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To some who have voiced considering the BNP and similar groups, I consider this moving from one extreme to another. This is not the way forward. Britain has enviable values and we mustn't lose them. For quite a while now I have noticed our country get bad to worse and Im utterly fed up, and hence left to work abroad. Our politicians don't represent us anymore. False promises and their in. I really hope we get a more representative party with middle of the road policies and one which stops throwing our tax money to those who have and most probably will never contribute to the system. Im not against immigration but this has gone out of hand - its utter madness.
Don't you hate how this government gives tax payers money away so freely to residents of other countries!
Are we British allowed these benefits in all EU countries should we decide to plonk ourselves in any one of them ?, or does this ruling only apply to people coming here. It would be great to live somewhere in France if they too supply these lovely benefits to all and sundry.
Is there any single benefit to us to belonging to the EU? Seriously, we always end up paying out huge amounts of money for this daft organisation - we haven't got the money for all these extra benefits surely!! Get us a referendum NOW!!
So now you know why they will never let you have a vote on the EU. Just wait till they start bringing in the massive populations of the Middle East & half of Africa? As for these people not being able to get benefits? They already have & continue to bleed this country dry whilst forcing down wages & forcing up housing costs.
This EU is ruining this country all these benefits being given willy nilly to all you choose to enter this country whether it's on the back of a lorry or other means, no wonder we have them all forming a nice queue in Calais waiting for their chance, no wonder Cameron has had to make so many cuts in jobs etc. i know Labour left us almost broke but now us British born and BRED are having to pay through the nose so that all the migrants can live the good life, i am glad i am getting to the age where another 20 years of life is not possible because i can see this country being the worst to live in.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive. - Chris, London, England, 3/3/2011 13:06 So what do YOU suggest Chris. There is not much we can do as individuals. We need a strong leader and I cannot see that happening. As soon as anyone dare try to stand up for his or her country they are called racist - fascists- little hitlers- thugs by the media and from that moment on their career has ended.
Box Ticker , we voted to join the "common market" a totally different animal to the EU. We were missled then & succesive governments have been hoodwinking us ever since. Now is the time for a referendum of our membership, we can`t be any worse off out of the EU. Switzerland & Norway do alright.
My Mum worked full time for many years, and was advised to pay a woman's stamp contributions, hence now she is retired and part of a couple receives £30 a week pension. I have a friend who contracted breast cancer in Australia and had to come back to live in Britain because they would not treat her there as she was English and had not contributed. If I go to another country I have to make sure I take out an insurance or I will get no healthcare, so why do we treat people from all around the world who have not contributed to our health system. When the NHS was founded it was just that a NATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM NOT AN INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM. With mass unemployment hence a drop in contributions these extra benefits and healthcare are coming out of the pockets of the British people, and we have not even been consulted about it!!
Said it before and I'll say it again : deduct all benefit payments from the EC contribution and add a hefty administration charge on top. Come on, Coalition and Opposition - speak up for what is right rather than just pay up.
How come these "Job seekers" from abroad are worth more than UK citizens that haven't been able to find work for years, however hard they have been trying? And we pay these incomeres twice the old age pension, to look for jobs that clearly don't exist, given the rising rate of unemployment. DC, you dug your heels on over votes for prisoners. Don't stop there. There even more important matters to throw back to Brussels.
VOTE BNP ! WE MUST !!!
Why do UK citizens (and taxpayers) have so much trouble claiming something when they fall on hard times such as unemployment, but we seem to fall over ourselves handing out money to people who have never paid 'into the pot'? It's a disgusting way to treat the people of this country.
But Brits are not allowed to sign on for work in Slovenia never mind claim benefits. If you own a house there you have to wait 5 years for residency or pay 20 per cent gains tax - unlike Slovenes who wait just 3 years. EU equality as we all know only applies to those coming to Britain - not we Brits.
It looks to me that the fools in EU headquarters are hell bent for the G-8 countries in there to leave. We have two options - IGNORE the stupid decrees from the EU or PULL OUT. Common sense must prevail. Take note, Both Germany and Austria have high unemployment, both countries also bailed out Banks that misused funds in wrong investments, both countries are also taxing the peoples to the hilt to pay for the mistakes of others and tolerance levels are on the brink of exploding. ITS HIGH TIME TO TELL THE EU dishing out money for NIL input will not work - this is only going to build up a dislike of foreigners.
We can have a referendum on voting, which many think is a waste of taxpayers money, while the British public are still being denied a say if we want to remain in the E.U. who if we stay in it much longer we will well and truly done for as a country. I suppose there are a few in government circles that keep us in as it helps to line their pockets, never mind joe public we do not count as we are just a number.
Benefits assessor- You are absolutley correct! I am a UK citizen born and bred. When I returned to this country after a few years living in Malta (an EU country), I found it necessary to claim a number of benefits. I was asked an astounding question by one benefits assessor "Why did I come to this country?"!! I can't tell you how angry I was at having to justify coming back to my own country!
If it makes DM readers fume with anger it can only be a good thing. All hail the EU!!!!
Amazing animal story !!! Weasel gets spine transplant ! ( Get the hint Dodgy Dave? )
Why did I fight for my country ? It is not my country anymore and I am ashamed of what the politicians have done. !
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? >>>>>- meridian, crewe: I asked a mate of mine who is a serving soldier this question and is answer was an unequivical, NO WAY! I don't believe the British people are strong enough to do this though, most of us sit there with a passive indifference to what is happening to this country. Complaining on forums like this is about as militant as we get!
Well I voted UKIP. What did you vote? LIB/LAB/CON,,,,,,,,more of the same. Continuing to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result = insanity. Come on Barnsley, wake up! What does it take to get you angry? Cameron. "The Government believes that it is in this country's interests to be members of the EU." Brown. " We do not believe a referendum is necessary on the Lisbon Treaty" Cleggover. I love the EU and my pension depends on supporting it.
This is our tax that the EU and its subordinate - our government - is squandering on people who have contributed absolutely nothing to our economy nor do they have any historical or blood ties. We owe them nothing. Our government is surely now obligated to put continued membership of the EU to a referendum and the sooner the better.
The last few paragraphs of this article state that anyone can't just walk into this country and claim our benefits ..... That may be true , but can they claim " hardship allowance " ?....which could be the same as benefits under another name....!
And I have just been fined for late tax returns ..what to keep these immigrants on benefits think I will refuse to pay and go to jail instead
Just another way to get more money out of us taxpayers, to give to people who do absolutly nothing to earn it. Do the government really think these people will come here to look for work?? No - They will find a way to fool the system, get money out of our country and contribute nothing!
So,british can claim benefits in our country and immigrants in the uk can't? get out of eu than,we are tired of british parasites
Spain doesn't obey the EU rules on the vast majority of things and yet receives a lot more money from the piggy bank than the UK When are we going to learn?
Wouldnt it be wonderful if the middle class, so hated by any politician of ANY party, could just up stumps and move to a new country and run it themselves and sit back and see how clever Cameron, the EU, the ECHR and all the left wing nutters in Notting Hill were. This country needs a revolution and quite a few heads to roll...literally
Stop supplying documents in languages other than English. Insist that claims are filled out by the aplicant in the Jobseekers office in front of the clerk dealing with the application. All claimants should speak and write english, inability to do so should mean that they cannot work in this country so cannot apply for jobseekers allowance or any other benefit. It'll never happen, there isn't a minister or MP with the backbone to suggest it.
This country is just being given away to foreigners. Our national pride has gone. I sometimes wonder if we need somebody with the leadership powers of a dictator to put this country back on its feet. Our recent governments do not have a clue.
Thats it!!!! I'm 54 and unemployed. I worked 20 years and paid tax into this country. I dont care if I NEVER work again now!!!
If this is a EU ruling ,then why can`t you claim unemployment benifits in France. To claim unemployment in France you have had to have a job first then become unemployed, they do not pay unemployment benifit unless you have previously been in work in France.
Dont think that call me dave will do anything about this stupidity and boy clegg loves the e.u. as do most of the trough dwellers. The only way out is a revolution so that the will of the people prefails (stupid me thought that was the way so called democracy worked)
I thought it was migrants coming from outside the EU that are claiming our benefits and jumping the housing queue?
What has this country come too.. We're taxed to the hilt.. Can't afford to run a car any more. There's no jobs. housing problems. 17,000 forces made redundant, with no jobs to go to. But ok to let more immigrants come in and claim benefits. Benefits which even my own family can't get.. I see a riot on camerons & co hands.. Will he let me have a tax rebate... i doubt it..
And this would be one of the reasons I'm out of here as soon as I get my degree and find a suitable job away from this mad country. Everyone else takes what they can get so I'm doing the same. It's okay though because as the country continues to sink, stupid voters can keep voting idiots into power. When will you people wake up and smell the coffee. Why should the public suffer at the hands of nut jobs? I don't see a politician feeding his family with cheap crap food which has no real food value... I don't see them struggling to make ends meet and nor do I see them living in poor conditions like some of us have to. And considering there are no jobs per se, how is anyone expected to better themselves especially if we're giving everything away to every foreigner to hit our shores? Welcome to Britain, where our own people come last. Don't worry, we only pay for it all, but what do we know!
A national disgrace. Look after us first Dave and Nick!
I'm amazed at how ignorant the majority are on this forum. If you pay in to the system you are entitled to get something back, no matter where you come from. There are a lot of foreign workers over here paying tax to support British free loaders and no doubt foreign free loaders too. Its not just the UK who do this all EU countries do it. If we work abroad, we would be entitled to benefits in these countries too. Stop winging and bitching, its and even playing field. If you dont like it, move to a foreign country, work and claim their benefits . . . . Honestly +shakes head+
It is impossible in France to claim job seekers allowance unless you can speak FLUENT French. The UK needs to be OUT of the EU before it sinks under immigrants
LOL - look at them go!
The British fatcats paying them 4.0 £ / hour will welcome them !
From what I understand these Eastern Europeans can claim child benefit for their children even if they are not living here, and send the money back to their countries. Yet, British people who live and work abroad cannot claim the same same benefits for their British born children. This is disgraceful discrimination and how much longer are we going to stand for this. It basically means we have all become second class citizens in our own country, we need to boot all those traitors out of Parliament. Elect people who have the British people's best interest at heart, and then leave the European Union with no ifs, buts, or maybe's.
So this is why my widowed mother had to exist on a basic state pension?
Not powerless, just not willing to leave the EU! Tell them to get stuffed!
This is stupid and I am Czech! But the same is happening in my country! People from Romania and other countries are coming to stay because it is so easy to receive benefits! So inviting for them! I came to UK few years ago to study and work and learn english properly. I spent a lot of money on school and tax... Always respected the country's laws and culture... I felt as a guest and that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, I have to say, I am happy to leave UK now as I feel it is time to move on... And to defend my country, there is a tiny number of people from Czech republic in here, our country is beautiful and very well developed... UK should concentrate on people from other countries that come here in huge numbers and use this country for their benefit... with no respect or regard.
JUST GET US OUT NOW, ARE YOU LISTINING MR CAMERON
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron....- Mark B, London.....Well said.....I totally agree. She had more balls than the whole of this current lot put together.
Tens of millions? Try a figure in the billions by the time they've claimed all that's going. Never mind, we can always go the way of the Tories and make everybody pay for everything themselves. Living, health, education etc. And don't think it isn't going that way. Local surgeries turned into businesses with doctors bring in their commercial buddies, the economy being turned over to commercial moguls, and schools doing their own thing. The little tax payer ain't seen nuthin' yet, and isn't Mr. Murdoch doing well thanks to that nice Mr. Hunt.
Let's just get out of Europe and throw all illegals out.. . . . . . . We have had enough. . . . We are paying our taxes to every one except the true Brits who should get it. . . .
Most British people would vote no to the EU. Cameron knows this, that's why he won't give us a referendum. They call this democracy.
The Government should negotiate with the EU that any benefits paid in one country to a citizen of another are reimbursed by the home nation of the claimant. It won't stop claims but at least we would get our money back.
I am British living in Greece, if I return I am entitled to..........nothing, though I paid tax and N.I. for forty years. And contrary to common belief we abroad are not all entitled to heating allowance, not that I want it. Still rather be here though. I am convinced the EU is deliberately working against the interest's of British people. We have nothing in common with them, never have and never will. We should be OUT of the EU.
I want us to leave the EU. How can I get my MP to lobby parliament on this question. What do we have to do as a people to force this issue through ? We already know that marches don't work. We could all go on strike to make our point ? I think the only way we can do this is to hold our own EU Vote. I am sure there is a way of creating a website where people could register, perhaps using their national Insurance Number as a unique ID & then vote on this issue. Perhaps if parliament was presented with a nationwide vote they would have to take our wishes into account ?
A hundred thousand reasons for coming out of the abomination called the European Union.
The time has come to vote for a national british party if some one would start one up that is against violence.
We have got to stop this insanity asap, we have to get rid of all 3 predictables, who too are insane..This will finally finish this country of ours, the writing has been on the wall for too long..The revolution in the middle east will happen here sooner than many think..Unite, the BNP, UKIP, and the best of the EDL together, to rid us this rubbish in Wetminster.. Nobody in their right mind could ever believe this would happen to Britain, this could only be possible by the gutless emotionless wimps in Wetminster..They have no remorse for our dying nation, because it is they, who have driven the final nail into our coffin.....
Actually, they have been entitled to Housing and Council Tax Benefit from day one in this country since 2004 provided they were registered workers, and the only requirement for Child Benefit and Tax Credits is a National Insurance Number. This will only affect JSA , ESA + Income Support.. As for the Habitual Residency Test - it is an absolute joke! The only people it seems to stop from claiming are native brits returning to live in the UK after a period abroad.
What utter rubbish. Our so-called govt can do what the hell it likes, just as the French are wont to do. Impose a complete bn on all new non UK born claimants from 1st April, then tell Brussells to go whistle. The sumsequent court case, appeal, counter appeal ect will go on for yearsby which time we will be totally bankrupt an no-one will want to come here. Simples!
...after working for 44 years,i as a british citizen can not get or is entitled to job seekers allowance...so you tell me how these people are going to get it...they are not...end of!
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? That would be a tad risky in my opinion. Those soldiers are our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, aunties, uncles, mums and dads. Ditto our police force. Over to you David.
Isn't it about time that we (the UK), like France told the EU where to stick it?
This is appalling when so many sick and disabled people here have been thrown off benefits & some have been driven to suicide as a result.
Bob from Brigg: Best laugh I've had all day (although it is only 1pm, and I haven't seen any other news yet)
'...it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' Not quite: if Britain made benefits conditional on a record of contributions for ALL claimants, that would automatically rule out what is now threatened. The issue is to ensure everyone treated the same, whether British citizens or national from other EU countries. 'A spokesman said: '...We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse.' Obviously, that's the warm words and wishful thinking bit; especially when too many of the cases publicised clearly show widespread, systematic abuse by both British and foreign nationals! That apart, the benefits system is out of control and needs to be reformed and reined in and damned quickly!.
Recession; what recession. Cut-Backs; what cut-backs, All in it together; what all in it together.
As we are haveing a referendam on voteing can we not have a box on the same form to get out of the EU It wiil not cost alot more
Sounds about right.....Poor old England....now Europes Barrel, with more and more sediment settling every week. EU? A bureaucratic, legal, and hideously expensive disaster, proof? Ireland and Greece, with, so we are led to believe, Portugal next on the list for bankruptcy...or should that be properly termed, total Brussels control of all the countries finances whether they like it, or not, and, at the EU's set interest rates.....Indeed, some are saying that the EU is deliberately encouraging economies to fail, in order to gain total fiscal control of that host nation, and have such a nation, totally under their control...interesting assumption...
This was agreed 7 years ago - what on earth is the problem ? The impact in the UK is going to be a lot less than it will be here in Austria....
For the love of god Cameron please stand up for us! I can't take much more.
So we work, pay taxes & NI, do not claim a penny from the State, then we retire and what do we finish up with £102.per week & some do not even get that. makes you proud to be an honest hard working Citizen in GB. Isn't it time the Powers that be got a grip and did what was right for the People of this Country that have given their all to make this a better place. Why is it our Politicians manage to get Gold Plated Pensions when they retire.
Where is the land of milk and honey we were promised if we went into the EU? I did not believe it then (early 1970s?). It is a shame we always have to live through about 30 or 40 years of a mistaken policy before that mistake is not only proven but also becomes too big to ignore. Dave etc. are always on about learning history at school, but it seems they themselves learnt nothing from history.
BNP BNP BNP - patarazzi, australia, 3/3/2011 11:35................................................I'm sorry, but your on the wrong website. This non-story has nothing to do with Brisbane National Parks.
The government could stop this type of thing very easily, with one stroke of a pen, but they won't because they have no leader with guts.
The only things that could possibly get us out of the disaster that is the EU and enable us to set our own laws is a massive, it would have to be two million plus, public demo or voting for one of the two main nationalist parties (UKIP/BNP) at any and every opportunity. Tory voters, forget the 'coalition effect', subjugation to the EU is what Cameron and many senior Tories want. Apart from a few strong sounding words and a bit of waffle where's the evidence to the contrary.
I had to give up work 7 years ago as I wasn't well enough to commute 5 hours a day. I didn't/couldn't claim JSA or benefits as my husband's supported me since then. Prior to that, I had 31 years of NI contributions and tax from full-time work (I was then single, no kids). Yet if I signed on unemployed today for the last 2 years before I draw a pension (which might be up to £97 a week) I'd get nothing because I've made no contributions in the last 2 years. Much talk of 'fairness' from Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives - How the HELL is it fair that a foreigner can turn up and get over TWICE as much as a pensioner with 31 years of paying tax and NI?
I love it.
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did. - Box ticker, London, 3/3/2011............................NO, that was a referendum on whether we wanted to be in the COMMON MARKET not the EU............Politicians signed up to EU on our behalf.......we have never had a referendum on whether we want to be in EU.
Like we dont breed enough of our own lazy dole loving lay abouts..... Lets get out of the EU before its too late
Have you realised yet that the same applies for people who leave the uk and go to another eu member state!! stop whinging
We should never have joined the EU. So now all my hard earned tax money goes to pay those individuals that have never done a days work or supported this cuuntry in any fashion. We are a JOKE
Come on fellow Brits, it's time to rebel and insist we withdraw from the EU!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive.
The Prime Minister. 10 downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA There are about 650 3rd rate halfwits who infest OUR parliament. Everybody should write to the above address and keep writing. It's easier than rioting in the street - anyway, I'm too old for that!
I voted UKIP. - daves, chelmsford uk, 03/3/2011 11:48 And so did I, Daves. Many Conservative voters in 2010 were too scared to vote UKIP in case it let Brown in again through the back door. Now there is no excuse to vote for any of the 3 old parties anymore. This coalition is not just unpopular because of the cutbacks, it is unpopular because of their backtracking & inaction on just about everything! In a short period of time, the UK has had Labour, Conservative & LibDems in government. All have shown their total contempt for the British people. Next time, either you waste your vote by not voting at all, or you choose another party. The 4th largest political party will take the UK out of the EU, therefore saving almost £49 million per day. Money to build hospitals, schools, prisons, repair the infrastructure, invest in the armed forces & also return jobs to British workers. But you will have to put your cross in their box first. Almost 1 million of us already did that in 2010.
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either - beachboy, calahonda spain, 03/3/2011 12:48 ---------------Actually if you qualify for benefits then yes, it does.
If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force - Oddy, B'Ham, 3/3/2011 11:42..........................................Hilarious. So when the foreign journalists interview the rioters (assuming this hypothetical riot does kick off when someone decides to fight your own sorry plights for you because you're too lazy to do so yourself) about what it is they're rioting about, what will their answer be? 'XYZ,' say the rioters. 'And where did you learn about that?' asks the journalist in his bullet-proof vest. 'It said so in the Daily Mail.'..............In that instance, we really would be the laughing stock of the world.
So will we be hearing about this on the BBC? That propaganda machine for the Government and the EU? Which we also have to pay for with the license fee whether we want to watch it or not, and who are quite capable of getting their own funding like the others do. We are being milked and fleeced at every turn.
It makes me sick to the stomach. Get us out of the EU NOW!
I just want to echo the words of Charles De Gaulle, when he continued to do Britain a favour with his consistent veto of our entry into the common market in 1967, "Non, Non, Non" Cameron can guarantee a second term in office with one very simple act. Give us a voice, by having a referendum on the EU. And the choice should not be a wishy washy multiple choice designed to suck up to the lib dems, but a straightforward choice "IN" or "OUT". To help us make an impassioned choice, I invite the DM to produce a list of the financial advantages and disadvantages of Britain remaining in the EU. I need some help in finding the positive side of the argument.
Is THIS why David Clown is making 11,000 servicemen redundant - to give THEIR salaries to Eurics..................? DON'T hand in your uniforms OR your arms, lads......... You know what the next mission is.........
Does ANYONE from government ever read this website? If so, they will KNOW what people REALLY think of Camoron, the CONalition, the EU and so much more. Now that they know, what will they do? Absolutely nothing that's what. They just don't care. Simple as that. They care ONLY for themselves and not one jot about any of us. When will we have democracy here Dave? When will you put the people of Britain FIRST? When will we have the MUCH promised EU referendum? When will you get off your backside and actually DO SOMETHING?
The other side of the coin is that British immigrants to other countries will be able to claim benefits.
Here we go again! D.M. READERS IT'S QUITE SIMPLE - Keep voting and putting your "X" on the Con / Lab / Lib Dem voting paper promising 'change' = Keep getting the same thing and watching your childrens' future and prosperity go down the pan as we hand over our nation's wealth to the dregs of the world .....gratitude or an agreement to be law-abiding by receipients is not even necessary! Why not put your "X" where your mouth / heart is at the next election ?
There is an easy solution to the benefits system in our country. Any foreign national wanting to claim, must only be allowed the same as their home country. It would stop all these thousands of immigrants coming here for one thing only...... free housing, free health care, free handouts..... without working one day or paying a penny in tax.
OMG. Time for Britain to leave the EU I think.
simple vote ukip from here on in.
Either take to the streets or get more of the same.
Roll on the end of the world !!
well i think i'll just get myself pregnant, get a council house and live on benefits for the rest of my days (despite the fact i have been in continual work since 18 years old and paid my dues within this pathetic scrap of an excuse for a country). and they wonder why we are in a recession - GET OUT OF THE EU NOW, AND another reason for voting BNP!
Time to take our country back out of the hands of the EU, over the past 13 years a labour government has given all our powers away, you only have to ask why is ENGLAND the only country in britian NOT to have its own parliment or assembly ? English mp's can't vote on matters in scotland, wales, or northern ireland but their mp's can have a say on what happens in England would I be right to call that discremination ? LET'S GET OUT THE EU AND GET THIS DEVALUTION SORTED AND GET THIS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN...Thinking UKIP could do well next election !!!
Just refuse to pay--at least the fine from the EU will be less!!!!!!!!
Its no different to any other EU country ... so why all the moaning ?
I would like to suggest that PolishBrit (hope I read that right) becomes PolishGerman as quickly as possible or better still PolishPolish.
EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN....For those of you who wish to vote BNP the next time you go to vote, please PLEASE take a PEN with you. I admit to voting for that party and for the UKIP for my local area and all that was there for the voters were pencils which i think, people rub out and put something different, and that is why the bnp have never won yet.. Remember,, take a pen so your vote cannot be rubbed out.
Com'n all you patriotic British nationals get a reality check please. Compare the number of Birtish nationals living on benefits as part of the total population to the number of immigrants who live on benefits. You will find that immigrants do not come to Britain to claim benefits but to make an honest living and return to their countries in few years time. the number of British nationals, though, who live on benefits is ridicolously high. So if you are paying for anything, its for your own people.
The lunatics who allowed this law on our behalf are wasting my hard earned taxes..... I am not giving any more until the government act fairly on my behalf.
Yes there is a way out of this mess, withdraw from this club which is run by a group of idiots who want to reduce the UK to the level of a third world country. It's time the British people said enough is enough and took to the streets to demonstrate against this rediculous situation.
I am in utter despair, will no one in the political establishment do something to save our country from completely going under? Will no one act in the national interest for once?
They are coming to take you away ha ha.
This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 3/3/2011 11:30................................Yeah yeah, blame Labour once again, but you probably haven't looked into this latest work of utter fiction by the Mail because in your view, that'd require too much effort, and so the best policy is to read the headline alone and set off on aLabour-bashing tour (and I'm not even a Labour supporter). However, I'm pleased to inform you that your comment has a comedy rating of 7 out of 10. A bit of Blair and Brown bashing, along with a few pseudonyms would've increased its funniness a bit.
NO Dave, you MUST stop putting other countries and the people of other countries BEFORE your own. Stop being a traitor to this country. Get us OUT of the EU, stop ALL immigration, deport thousands already here and leeching off us. TRY, just TRY to find a backbone somewhere and put a STOP to all this. We MUST get out of the EU and that is just for starters. We used to be GREAT Britain, now we're just a GREAT joke around the world.
It is time for a referendum on pulling out of the EU.I would definitely vote yes to that.Come on Mr Cameron give us a vote or face losing the next election.
Isn't it about time we got the EU to take on some of our ideas instead of us having to take their nonsense all the time?
Unfortunately , this EU dross has been coming here for years. You can see them all lolling about in any town up and down this benighted land. They come here just to get our benefits - they have no intention of doing any work Hardly hear any English people's voices in my town these days - most seem to be from the backwaters of the newEU.
If you accept this Britain you are just fools led by a bunch of fools. it would not happen in France!!
I am an OAP I get £73 pension per week + NHS nurses' 'generous' pension' of about the same, a total of About £150 per week can I get this upgraded to a migrant's £250 benefit? I have worked all my life and I feel neglected by all governments.
Words fail me..... why do I bother to work and pay my taxes!!
This si becoming ridiculous, it's about time we left the EU!
For goodness sake when will this weak country find it's teeth and say enough is enough. I'm sick of flogging myself doing one full time job and two part time jobs to keep afloat only for it to be paid out to someone whose paid b-all into the system. Is the govenment(and I don't actually care which one)capable of putting it's own people first or is it going to be forever doing it's Euriah Heap impersonation weasling around the great and mighty EU? Speaking of which, when is there going to be justification for their overblown pay and expenses? The French won't pay any social to foreigners until they have worked and can speak the language - bit of a hint about what needs to be done - speaking the language would be a start.
what is the point in working anymore, i feel so sorry to our future generations and the mess we have left them ...........
The stupid politicians canÂ’t open their eyes wide enough to see that the people have had enough. They only react when they themselves are threatened with losing money and power. Watch this spaceÂ…
This is what Labour signed up to just as it did to bail out other European countries ie Portugal Greece and Spain.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be! - Paul, Leeds UK, 03/3/2011 12:26 ************************************************************************* Paul, Leeds you have said it ALL . I was too young to vote back then . My late Father, and Grandmother , voted NO. WE NEED A REFERENDUM NOW. I'm 52 years old YET have never had the opportunatey to vote on this matter., just like millions of others in my age group, and younger.
My God! I can't even weep for my country.It's been sold off as a sattelite to the E.U.Never mind true Brits just work your socks off to keep thiese middle European free loaders in absolute luxury.Revolution any body?
You aint seen nothing yet, Turkey and her millions, and the millions waiting on her borders to be part of the EU, will swamp this country, and and be the cause of civil unrest the like of witch this country has not seen before, and the chief Donkey is all for it.
Vote for BNP. Get our country back under English rule. It's up to the public to vote outside of the big three. We've had enough of this EU rubbish. Tell them where to stick it
I see the call for a referendum on leaving the EU, but I have this sick feeling that even if the vote were to get out, the UK government would probably find they were prohibited from doing so without EU approval. I watch Lebanon, and various other international hotspots, and wonder whether this is what is needed in this country. It seems just voting democratically is no longer effective, as our MPs are either unwilling to go against the EU guidelines, or are unable to. What a sad reflection on 21st century Great Britain.
For me this is the last straw. I will never accept an EU policy that does this to our country. Cameron, you are finished !!
I million pensioners could be given a £25 per week rise with this money
WHATS THE POINT OF WORKING, PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE BETTER OFF THAN WORKERS, ITS ALL WRONG.
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Right that's it. Making sure now that my kids emigrate and hope we can eventually follow. What with this ,and the inevitable influx of ME immigrants (s0called refugees-of their own making) after their rioting and who are now starting to flee en- masse to the West, we will soon be over-flowing to more than full. We will in Europe soon be designated to third world status unless we get out of the EU NOW. Maybe, thinking about it, time to buy an uninhabited large island somewhere, and start a new country, anyone else in for it??
A friend of mine, a Brit, having worked & paid tax in France for 33 years fell on hard times (made redundant at 53, hard to get a job), enquired to British authorities if he could come back to the UK and get some benefits while looking for a job. Answer, NO, you are British, you are not entitled to anything. So, he is now thinking of taking Latvian nationality to go back to the UK and claim for everything! Kind of sick, is it not?
David cameron shouts about the freedom of people against goverments who dont listen to there people and are un democratic what about the people of the uk we want out of the eu, so lets have a democratic debate for and against and then a vote before we lose our great country for ever,i for one would march to london to demand this we need change any one with me.
It just keeps getting worse. This country has been successively destroyed by a parliament of morons. We plainly no longer need parliament, it is not fit for purpose. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, hopefully the UK next to get freedom and democracy!
Why aren't they queueing up to go to the other EU countries? Because our benefits system is riddled with stupidities and run by stupids. If we just made it impossible to claim unless you've worked and paid tax for, say 3 years, then they wouldn't come here us benefits tourists. It might help deal with the home grown scroungers as well.
remember to work harder so your taxes can be used to pay more people on benefits, oh and don;t leave your home because if they squat in your home you'll never get them out either!!! welcome to UK don;t you just love it???
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. What they mean't to say was "strict rules would remain in place for the British citizens to make them third world citizens, but foreigners will be allowed to come here as benefit tourists and claim what they like. We will help them by printing leaflets on how to claim all benefits in all relevent languages, but not in English". Non-Jobcentre trators, all of them.
A shiver ran round the cabinet meeting room looking for a spine to run up.
Here we go again ..... let's treat the immigrants better than those people who were born in the UK and have worked all their lives paying taxes and national insurance. Time to take the country back people .......
Britain is powerless to fight this decision? Cameron and his useless sidekick should hold a referendum on telling the EU to take a hike and bailing out. They should do it NOW, while there's still time!
the govt. is going reduce benefits for UK people cos how else are we going to afford to support eastern europeans...............this is all Labour's fault. and Nick Clegg is too pro europe. how is any of this going to help our country get out of recession? we have to stop doing what the european court says. no other country is so generous/stupid with benefits. we can't afford this. we really can't.
In these 'special circumstances' involving new East European EEC citizens there surely cannot be resentment to their receiving basic benefit when not in work. Politically these 'safetynet' concessions are a small price to pay for 'locking-in' former communist states to our western values. We cannot have it all ways and these are after all reciprocal arrangements. The family elders of these citizens went through a dreadful world war in Europe just as ours did - unlike the 'other' dead wood we have 'welcomed in' and supported from the four corners of the earth!!
OUT OF THE E.U NOW.
So let me get this right. I and many other have worked and paid into the system for over 40 years without getting a penny back ansome foreigner walks into the Coutry and straight away starts taking money without having contributed. The time is approaching when we need to come out of the EU.
Gets us out of the EU now,,,, Disgusting that people who have never paid any taxes into this country are allowed to claim benefits.. Sent the lot back, we can hardly pay for our Eduction/NHS/Armed Forces/ OAP's now.... what the hell will it be like in ten years time..... David Cameron your spinless....................GIVE US A VOTE TO GET OUT OF EUROPE.............................
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either
Enough is enough why cant people come into this country with money and something to offer us like Australia insist on. Soon it will not be worth us ordinary tax payers going to work if we are only paying to keep lazy imigrants who come here for a free ride
I only got £64 a week and that ran out after 6 months.
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state? - Oflife, Oxford, 3/3/2011 12:21 The state should provide a safety net for any of our citizens who is temporarily out of work or is incapable of working. For most of my adult life I've worked for a living and paid my taxes, but I've been out of work in the past and claimed dole and housing benefit and had no qualms about it. That's all it should be though, a safety net for OUR citizens - it should NOT be a lifestyle choice for idle home-grown chavs NOR a bottomless source of free money, housing etc for all the freeloaders in the world.
Simple, no-one draws a penny from our benefits system unless they have paid in. Yes, it IS time to take to the streets and march in protest.
Im an ex pat and left the UK for good ten years ago but it makes my blood boil to see what the EU and the UKs toothless government are doing to my fellow countrymen and women. Why do you stand for it, why are you not marching in your millions on London? I'll tell you why because slowly and systematically you have had the life and the will sucked out of you by the EU and successive governments who are only concerned with self promotion. Do you think the French would swallow this? Blackadder's General Melchet was right....'When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall a pig headed refusal to look facts in the face will always see us through'. Not this time, not this time please! I will tell you straight I would rather die than come back to live in the UK.
The UK can do something about it. My brother lives in France - the system there is biased for the French. Even if you wanted to work at the local Leisure Centre behind the desk, you would need to take French exams to get a French qualification to do that job. The UK needs to wise up.
about time we got out of the EU.... I'm sure it costs us more than the benefits it gives..
He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......! - martin, hant's, 03/3/2011 12:20 I'd vote out tomorrow but to correct one point, Labour have already destoryed it. Most of the rullings we are getting are form Tony and Gordy running up the white flag. Dissapointed that Davey has not pulled it down and run up the union flag.
Let us simply tell the EU where to stuff it's rulings.
We reap what the politicians have sown! A mass demonstration on the day of the royal wedding would get their attention!
the answer is simple...close our borders NOW ...before it costs us billions of pounds more to people who have never contributed a penny to our system...
When Europe tell our government to JUMP they ask how HIGH. We need to GET OUT OF EUROPE.
In the year 2011 what possible excuse do we have not to stop this? we have BNP we have UKIP. Or do some of you want this? your choice.
There will be no jobs, no houses, no pensions, no health service left. for anybody soon. The migrants have bled this country dry. We can't take the whole world into this small country. Why can't they go to underpopulated places like New Zealand and Australia.
Grrrrrrrr this has really annoyed me.....it is very frustrating
To be fair, most people who come from East European or outside of EU are working 2-3 times harder than British people in order to establish themselves in this country. Without their contribution, London's hospitality and service industry is DEAD. We should focus on our own crisis - far too many Brits sit at home watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about government while claiming benefits!!!
The current system allows people claim benefit only if they have saving less than 16K. The biggest loophole is, no immigrat will be stupid enough to say they have 16K saved in the bank. The will comfortably saving all their money in the bank in their own county and come into this country claiming benefits from the begining. This is totally unfair, and will be quickly abused by millions of foreigners flooding into this country. I see the UK heading to bankcrupcy due to its own stupidity and mismanagement.
I was driven out of work 16 yrs ago, lived on my savings for several years. Then i found that because of the gap I am not entitled to a penny from the state. I even recieved a letter offering me the opportunity to pay £800 per year for 7years to qualify for a state pension. I wrote a letter to the then responsible minister, who more or less told me to get lost. This minister was later found to be employing his 80+ year old mother as a parliamentary assistant during the expenses scandal.
If we are going to remain in the EU and be subject to all these EU regulations then maybe all benefits payable across all the EU countires should be standardised. So that no matter where you claim benefits, the value would be the same.
is anything left in uk???
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did.
No taxation without representation! And no, those MEPs are not representing our interests, they couldn't even if they wanted to as they're a very expensive rubber stamp for whatever the EU commissioners see fit for them to vote on. We want out of the EU and I suggest we have a General Strike until we are given the Referendum we were promised.
I voted UKIP too. Even though they got 919,546 votes they received no seats in parliament. While Democratic Unionist Party got 168,216 they received 8 seats. Right... Democracy's so fair. I thought the Lib dems were going to change the voting system... I guess not.
The problem a lot of people miss is this: Under EU regulations all EU citizens must be treated the same under the applicable laws/regulations of a country. It is not permissible to apply double standards - one for foreign EU citizens and a different one for UK citizens. Other countries who don't have the same problems with benefits for EU citizens obviously have different rules altogether for eligibility for benefits. In the UK we qualify for benefits as soon as we are out of a job (whether you have ever worked or not). This is the whole reason why we have so many people on the dole who have never worked. If we are allowing UK citizens benefits from day one then we must allow foreign EU citizens the same. If our laws were changed for UK citizens (no benefits until you have paid in contributions for X number of years, then it would be perfectly acceptable to treat EU immigrants the same. This is succesfully done in other contries and can only be advantageous for the UK.
It is disgusting, when my partner was made redundant last year, after 6 months he was entitled to nothing because apparently I earn 'too much money', despite him having paid national insurance and tax and working since he was 16.......this country is becoming the Ubend of Europe.
Time to change our relationship with Europe......... Time to vote UKIP
THERE IS GONNA BE ONE HECK OF A RIOT SOON IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THE SLEEPING BRITISH BULLDOG WAKES UP
I'm starting to feel very trapped and depressed and wondering if my children have a future. Is life worth all this worry?
If this is the same rule for all EU countries then wahts the problem, but it isn't. I wouldlike to see a UK peson come to Spain and claim anything from the state if they haven't lived here for at least a year without working. I f they have a job and lose it then Ok. That seems to be the difference.We need a level playing field across Europe. Peoplwill the truly be free to move around in search of work, it must work both ways.
god we need another Thatcher
You can either have a state safety net, or you can have unlimited immigration. You can't have both, the numbers just don't add up.
3rd world Britain here we come - we may be daft, we may be stupid - but the world will never be able to call us bigots! Labour has enabled us to hold our heads up high, even though we are now on our knees, and broken ....GOOD OLD LABOUR, and now thanks to U-turn Cameron and Part time Clegg we can carry on with this proud tradition - am so glad to be British!
absolutley sickening. I dont know how they get away with this. Do they not want the best for their country?? i just dont understand what goes through their mind that this is a good decison
CANT WE SAY NO?? THIS ISNT DEMOCRACY!!!!
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 Fine speak your point but please don't insult our NHS system which I am sure if you were ill, YOU would use! Currently they are looking after my cancer ridden Father which would have gone into the thousands had I had to pay. Are you telling me you would not call an NHS ambulance if you had a terrible accident?????
My own personal experience leads me to believe that many EE's do indeed come here for the 'benefit' advantages. I paid into the sytem since I was 16 (18 years) and when I came back from spending a year abroad, I was unemployed for some time but not entitled to benefits because I hadn't paid my tax for that year. It's not right to blame the immigrants, it's the government who are an absolute disgrace.
Unless you take to the streets you will be ignored. i don't think you will so you will be ignored
Great Britain has just died. Maybe the National Anthem should be changed to "God save our sad little Britain".....why God? because the numpty politicians will never try to save it! Sounds like we need a REVOLUTION!!! Over throw the Politicians and have a People's Party. Benefits to be claimed ONLY by those who have worked for 1 year and then they can only claim for 1 year (just like the French system). You need to have worked for longer than you claim. As well as immigrants, lets get the deadleg chavs off the dole too. Get people creating small companies, selling services (DIY, cleaning, cooking, gardening, language lessons) to the neighbours if all be it - anything to get people contributing to society.
What an utter shambles the EU is. Not a thought for cost, the impact on indigenous peoples, national budgets and so forth. How on earth can any national government work properly in such circumstances ?
Stormtrooper said "You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). " Agreed in principle but the majority of these tradespeople file minimal profits, pay minimal tax and avoid VAT because most of their revenue is cash in hand whilst deducting all their expenses. The customers may be equal accessories to this fraud but it doesn't change the reality. I know one declaring £8k profit but has a £400k house and a buy to let using self-cert mortgages. There is also a massive leakage of cash to countries of origin which harms the UK economy.
The sooner our brainless politicians realise that being in the EU is NOT in the countries best interest the better.
And they can claim UK pensions in addition to their own which are higher in many cases than UK pensions are. This whole farce is a total travesty and if the UK is forced to pay these people, then our politicians need to take a close look at the amount we pay the EU and take away the amount we are having to pay non UK citizens. The only other possibility is to come out of the EU -then remove all those EU and non-EU citizens that EU membership has forced us to take in, feed, house and educate - that is the cheaper option and may actually give us our country back
Let's get out of the EU, then you will have to find someone else to blame for the bad policies our leaders keep making. It's all too easy for them to blame it all on the EU at the moment, and is probably a major reason why they refuse to get us out, and that even applies to the Conservatives who keep on insisting that they are anti-EU strangely enough. I doubt we will be allowed to have a referendum on it anytime soon.
If Cameron is still prepared to send millions in foreign aid to despotic dictators who use it to fund their lavish life styles, then he ain't going be troubled about paying a few million quid of tax payers money to immigrants.
David Cameron will never hold a referendum on the EU because he - like all politicians - look to Europe as a very luxurious gravy train if and when he is kicked out of office. Kinnock is an example. He was an abject failure as a politician in this country but went on to amass a fortune in pay and expenses in Brussels. It doesn't matter which party is in power - they are all the same. We could pay off the debt that Brown left us with within a year if we didn't have to hand trillions over to the crooks in Brussels. The only way we will get out of the EU is if we take to the streets and demand it.
The way to stop this happening is by changing the benefit system in this country so that only people who have paid tax in this country for five years would be able to claim. This would stop immigrants being able to claim and also a lot of bone idle workshy British layabouts from scrounging off the dole.
Mr.Cameron...JUST SAY NO. People in the UK are really starting to hate the EU now and there will be reaction to it if something is not done to stop this madness. Boycotting Made in EU products will help, and boycotting EU holiday resorts outside of the UK will too, but we need Government action...NOW.
ONE STEP NEARER TO THE REVOLUTION.......
Under the new rules being forced through at the moment the DWP will have the ability to cut benefit if THEY think a person is not making enough effort to find work. This includes missing 'back to work' classes they set up, even if it is to go for a job interview. Looks like they knew this was going to happen and were making the money available.
Tell the EU to stuff it, this is our Country and we alone should make the rules that govern it!
AM I GLAD my mum and dad brother and myself left back in 1957...because britain is only a pale Shade of itself when i was a kid ..its gone to the migrants
some.bloke, england, 3/3/2011 11:38.......So let me get this right....These people will not get a penny in benefits, that then must mean it is not going to cost us one penny for them to stay.....I have never known the government of this country let any illegal die of hunger let alone legals. If they are put in prison or put in detention centres we still have to feed them along with all the other trimmings. There is absolutely no way that 100,000 people can land on our shores and it will not cost us a penny. And even if it was just a penny it is still too much when our own people are going without. This lifeboat is full, we are going to have to pull away and leave those still in the water.
These East European migrants are taxpayers in this country. They pay their contributions, so if they fall on hard times they must surely be entitled to benefits just like anyone else.The vast majority return to their home country, so make no demands on the welfare system. It's very different to the case of British immigrants (so-called "ex-pats") in Spain, who sponge off the Spanish health system without having made any contributions, and refuse to learn the language or integrate in society.
When is this farce going to end? Its not rocket science. The Government has the ability to deport illegal immigrants but fails to so in any significant number. It also has the ability to ignore the EU when it chooses to do so. The upshot is that while immigrants get favourable treatment the rest of us suffer. Its plain daft and makes no sense. It wouldn't happen anywhere else. Come on Cameron do what we elected you for and get on with it.
the e.u is determined to destroy our lovely u.k. if our government refused to cooperate with this ridiculas edict the e.u could do nothing about it.what happend when france banned the burkah all the e.u.did was sabre rattling,nothing was done to france.what we want is another lady thatcher.
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this. - aw, surrey, 3/3/2011 11:47..........Cameron could have his hands tied by a daisy chain and the wet, gutless wimp would still not be able to break out of it. You should have all voted UKIP instead of voting for the lesser of two evils. Cameron has no fire in his belly.
I do not see the problem here. Like many immigrants they work hard and contribute to the economy of a country. Some of the best workers are from the east of Europe. They are just as entitled to claim benefits as anyone else. It is what social care is about. They pay into the system so can claim. Too many Brits are work shy.
Simple solution - The rule should be that EU citizens can claim benefits in any EU country but it is paid at the rates prevalent in their home country. Economic migration would stop overnight
TIME FOR A GENERAL STRIKE.
The 'Daily Express' has been calling for the electoral reform vote on May 5th t also include a vote on the EU membership of the UK. Despite over 370,000 signing a petition asking for a voice on who actually governs us, Downing Street has responded that membership of the EU is in our best interests, and therefore there will be no referendum on this issue!!! So much for Dave promising to listen to the people! Why are these damned politicians convinced that they know what is right for us? Such arrogance! I am becoming more and more convinced that we need to take to the streets in huge numbers to show we have had enough of our country being destroyed, whilst the politicians aid and abet, or at best look the other way.
Well I can think of only two things to stop this problem.. 1. Opt out of the EU 2. Stop all benefits entirely, that way the scroungers who are already living the life of laziness can get off their backsides and earn a wage and those who are planning to come into the UK for the same life will think twice about it. Though I expect not many people will agree with me I think it is time that people earn a wage and get some self respect into their lives.
Out of Europe now please...we can't afford any of this club anymore..let's ditch our membership
"I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 " Roy, what the article does not point out, but is in fact what is happening, is that this is pretty much exactly what the situation will be in the UK as well.
It's time we left the EU and before the winging Europhiles say we couldn't survive; well most of the world does very well without it. Norway for instance VOTE UKIP every time you can.
I'm from Australia, my grandmother was English and I can't/don't receive any pension/job seeker allowance at all, yet someone from a non Commonwealth Eastern bloc country can?! To say they're cracking down on immigration is a farce, all they're doing is stopped well educated people from outside the EU from coming in while opening the floodgates to any old person from inside it. The UK is being dragged down to the standards of the rest of the EU, which for the most part isn't as prosperous. Things will go from bad to worse.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be!
The fourth reich speaks. Time to take our country back, stuff the Middle East, we need revolution here.
Can some one with a large calculator work out the cost of 100000 people who can claim up to 250 pounds per week plus health and schooling and all the add on,s and then tell me where the money will come from, thank you
What is the point of becoming an MP if you are only going to do as you're told by unelected bureaucrats, if you don't want to govern, resign and let someone else be elected who wants to do their best for this country. When you consider the length of time that Parliament doesn't sit, all of the school holidays, and the number of MPs in Parliament for various debates, says to me that they are not interested in running the country at all.
I moved back to the Uk for a short time and had to fill in Habitual Residence Test ,i'm 100% British but i had to prove i had a reason for living there,i was not impressed,no such thing as British any more,whether we like it or not,we are treated as European by our own Government:(( Living in Greece for the last 20 years,unless you have worked and paid in to the NHS system,there are no benefits for Greeks let alone foreigners,no council rebates,no help paying your rent,no child benefit,all we have here,is help from family. So why should foreigners,with no benefits systems in there own country get British benefits?
How can anyone vote for other than UKIP?
For the sake of our country get a grip.This cannot be right,are my human rights out of order? I cannot afford to continue to pay more and more taxes to fund anyone who has never contributed to the UK in their lives.
Exercise your right to protest - Stop the Cuts March 26th London. If you are in a union, check if transport is being laid on. This is your chance to take to the streets.
Only one party will get us out of the robbing EU, The British National Party. Guess what, at the next election, the sheep will vote for a mixture of the traitorous big three parties again.
What are you going to do about this Mr Cameron ? another kick in the teeth for the weary British Tax paying electorate.
The worse thing is that it is widely known that they claim benefit with their real details and also work with forged documents and these are cleaners in hospitals
Britain is not powerless to prevent this fiasco. All that is required is for Cameron to offer a referendum to offer us the choice of whether or not we wish to be part of the EU. This would have to be restricted to citizens of the UK and exclude foreign nationals from voting. However, I know only too well that I'm living in fantasy land.
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron
So basically British workers, who have become ill and unable to work are to be hounded where ever they go, the Government is trying to take our benefits off us... take our DLA off us and leave us penniless and homeless yet the bloody foreigners are to fetched over in the millions and given everything! What kind of incentive is this to our people? Work... that would be good, IF there were any jobs left open to Brits that is!!! NO to the EU
It's not just that they live on benefits - Our NHS is crashing down around our ears because of a lack of funds - there is a fundamental lack of housing for OUR OWN PEOPLE never mind those people. Our children (my son is 23) CANNOT GET ONTO THE PROPERTY LADDER - he has also been turned down for council housing because he earns a reasonably decent salary. THIS IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING and the message to Messrs Cameron and Clegg sort it out before we all vote UKIP
When I was out of work for 18 months last year for the 1st time in 30 years, I was allowed to claim JSA for 6 months only, after that I got nothing. So despite paying into the system for years when I wanted something back I got very little. Isn't it about time our government stood up and said if you pay nothing in you get nothing out, this means to migrants or people that have lived in this country and scrounged for years.
For those hoping that cameron wil get us out of the EU think again hes a europhile at heart.
I am just beyond disgusted at the chinless nature of our politicians. We are a people and we have a land - CAN YOU GET THAT SIMPLE IDEA OF NATIONHOOD INTO YOUR TINY POLITICALLY CORRECT HEADS PLEASE. PLEASE!
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state?
Now I know the meaning of the big society
"Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford. - Kathleen, Wakefield, West Yorks, 3/3/2011 10:26" Actually the E.U. Annual Budget is around £100 "Billion",.... Then there is aprox' 80% of all Vat collected, (it's an E.U. tax), & the E.U. Levy (tax) on everything we buy that does Not come from member states, (clothes, electricals, etc.), & that is somewhere between another £100-200 Billion...... Total = aprox' ££300 Billion,........ And what do We Get out of the E.U. ?......... Nothing But Grief........... Also,..Davey Boy Wants to Spend ££30 Billion on a So called Fast Rail Link to Brum',......BUT,...... At the Same time He IS TRASHING Our Armed Forces to Save £10-20 Billion, he says we Cant Afford.......... Now,...Do the Maths & you will Quickly come to the Conclusion that "Call me Dave" Has an ATTROCIOUS Sense of Priorities......... He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......!
Well well well....... here we go again...........
Next they will be after a pound of flesh, from us, to feed the immigrants! Lets get the hell out of EU and get rid of the crazy government! I'm for taking to the streets, worked all my life to look after my family and help build up the country after the war. This government may as well ask us to open our purses and dish out money Willy Nilly! Over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The UK needs to get OUT of the EU while there are still a few remnants of the UK intact. Otherwise, Britain will have to be spoken of in the past tense.
...migrants...........will no longer have to register if they wish to WORK for a month or more in Britain. The key word is WORK. Surely they can't just come here and register for benefits and all that that entails.
stuff the EU, and kick these leaches out.
It is so bad that these people can come into our country and claim benefits, when our own are being taken off it and expected to survive on fresh air, where is the justice in that, and we cannot complain about it because if we do we are called racist!!
Time to take to the streets and claim back our country form the morons that dictate from over seas. Why arn't our lilly liver government reacting in the same way the did when prisoners where allowed the vote. We have cuts being implemented at every corner yet we will pay millions to these parasites that have our benefit system ready for milking in their sites. Today the Middle East tomorrow Europe, lets follow suit and rise up and rid our country and lives of these blinker idiots that are hell bent on destroying the UK both from within and abroad.
An absolute joke, 5 million unemployed, bankrupt and still more migrants. Britain is finished due to pandering to the champagne,leftist,socialists.
Nay nay and thrice nay.........we do not want any more immigrants. We are full up. Do something Camoron. YOU PROMISED SOOOOOOOOOOO much but have delivered NOTHING. Things just keep on getting worse and worse . You can't blame anybody else, this is all YOUR mess. Put a stop to it, if you have the guts of course! Get us out of the EU, it's what we all want.
you get what you deserve. idiots voted for labour and clowns voted for the tories.heath took us in the eu and wilson kept us in.the great plan is the united states of europe so these migrants are entitiled to everything that the poor brit is entitled to.you reap what you sow.live with it or vote for the party that will take you out of the eu.the uk is nothing but a collection of sheep .anyone with sense left years ago
This why Cameron is robbing his own people in order to pay for this. Another reason why Great Britain should get out of the EU. How much more does it take to move these Politicians?
I'm voting BNP in the future.
Dear old Dave!talks big on benefits, then lets another 100,000 in! oh the intelligence!
Get out of Europe NOW.. VOTE UKIP NEXT TIME Our Government MUST have the final say, this country is BANKRUPT we cant afford to pay out more money to those that dont contribute in paying taxes, and come here for a FREE ride.. When Will the British people take to the streets and bring this country to a halt? Another LABOUR cock up to add to the long list.
This country is the Toilet of Europe. The Past and present governments are to blame they are weak and corrupt. Our Kings and Queens were once the ultimate leaders, they too over the years have become weak with no voice, the present Queen should take control of this country and put the british people first, if not why is she there?? Nothing good will come out of another 100,00 people able and allowed claim and to scam, EU or British it makes no difference any more there is no GREAT in Britain now, if I could leave now I would, but all the other country's have immigration rules they stick too, so welcome to the biggest open prison in the world. I don't blame all the people that come here and scam and claim, the only ones to blame are the leaders of this now crap country. PEOPLE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEADERS WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
Doubt the DM will publish this but if they care about democracy or the country they will. A competitor paper (DE) is running a campaign to force government to include Euro referendum in May alongside the political reform proposed changes we're being asked to vote on. If you care enough write to your MP now and demand they support the campaign to have a 'do we stay in or out of europe' question added to the ballot paper. A number of MP's already support it - we're spending £250Million on a political reform vote to it's a very cost effective way of getting the more important issue of European membership sorted once and for all. It's a bigger threat and drain on our resources than any other. So if you care get onto your MP now and ensure they support democracy.
time to leave the eu and if cameron wont listen to the people who pay his salary perhaps its time for the people of this country to stand up and be counted we need another general election instead of the one for electoral reformon 5th may. disgruntled gran
You are going to have to accept CAMEROON WILL NEVER GIVE A REFERENDUM ON THE EU. Even if it costs the tory/lib the next election. The man is EU, through and through.
Thought they already did - I guess my town is no different from most others and all day every day there are more of these EU dross hanging round all day in coffee bars, or street drinking with no work and no intention of doing anything except bum off our benefit system. More foreign voices than English ones now on our local buses, in our shops and elsewhere...
I think it is nearly time for the people of this Country to stand up for themselves and this, their own Country. What is the point in paying tax on so many things, and paying their taxes i it is given away to foreigners that have absolutely no interest in this Country except its "hand-outs? What on earth are we paying British Politicians for when they too have to obey foreign EU Ruling? The people have never agreed to the giving of British Sovereignty (authority) to foreigners. I wouldn't trust them to hold a referendum Anymore because the stakes are too high for them to lose. And the people would never be allowed to win. I no longer trust any Politician any more. Even the Census paper with its extra intrusive questions come from the EU, and is written in the EU Journal of 13th 8.2008, page L 218/14. Our Government have known since 2008 yet have not had the GUTS to tell us the truth. Do YOU trust them anymore?
No Englishman voted for this. RESIGN FROM THE EU NOW!
If somebody organised a mass protest outside Westminster to demand we got out of the EU and stop this madness, I would be willing to go even although it would not be easy for me to do this. I am sick to death of seeing the state this country has become because of the refusal of the leaders to get us out of the EU, as if our membership is set in stone. It is not. They are continuing in it for their own ends and not for our benefit. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes and we appear to be powerless to do anything about it. Treason on a mass scale been committed by what they have done in giving away our Sovereignty to an unelected Marxist Dictatorship in Brussels and never consulted the people. No way should we allow any more migrants and their dependants from the poor EU countries in when we don't even need them, or give them all this money as well when we are cut to the bone on our resources and the UK people are going without themselves.
Can someone please get us out of this awful EU..... Please Please Please vote UKIP (I voted for the Torise last time, But never again...
We allow anyone in and they can claim all the benefits they want, they must think it's paradise to come and live here in Britain and get the handouts they want, then when we want something, you try and get it. What's up with this country? Why can't they look after their own first? We then allow the EU to DICTATE all our rules and regulations from people who are unelected by this country - ridiculous. And we're paying for them all on their gravy train. Just think of the billions of pounds that could go towards hospitals etc etc, wouldn't need to be cuts then. No one else abides by the rules so why is it that Britain is the only country that does. Get us out of the EU now!
"Britain powerless to counter the move"? Absolute rubbish. All it would take is someone in the government with the balls to say NO to the EU!!!!! The sooner we get out of the EU the better off we will be. As they have been unable to get their accounts "signed off" for many years they are obviously corrupt to the core so we should be no part of it.
I hate to say this , people , but you all had the chance to vote UKIP and BNP .
Eastern Europeans and Asylum Seekers are coming here with not one penny to their name because they know the British taxpayer will house and feed them, we desperately need a Government that puts The British People and THEIR beloved islands before foreigners human rights, and EU legislation.
Why have the eu not disolved the english government. they do everything else to ruin us partly, they can do it completely by getting rid of the gov; while they are at it why do we have to subsidise the welsh scotish and irish parliments and people when they do not pay anything back to this broken country,.
Daily Mail ,please start a petition now to hand in to No 10 Downing street demanding a vote on getting us out of the EU.You can read the majority of comments on here as well as I can, Do it now please ,lets take our coutry back from the hands of the EU.
Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31 Try and show a little humility and respect for your hosts - rather than just spouting off a venomous assault on the people who have accepted you to their country. Instead, you should try and understand how we work and what has happened to our country in the last 13 years - then you might, just might, understand where we are coming from. If you don't like us then please leave.
We shall fight them on the beaches......
No good just moaning about it, actions speak louder than words.
Leave the EU. Now.
Dave Cameron; How many more time do I (and others) have to say this...QUIT THE DREADFUL EU! Give us the promised referendum! LISTEN to the people that you were elected to represent. Show just a little bit of backbone and IGNORE the 'human rights brigades' and the 'pc crowds'. On leaving the EU, our balance of payments with the remaining EU will IMPROVE, trade WILL CONTINUE (these other countries will still want to sell us their wares), we will bve able to control immigration, we will be able to give benefits only after the claimant has worked for a period and paid taxes, we will be able to work to UK laws again, we will not have to support vast armies of EU beaurocrats, etc, etc.
Wonderful, an immigrant worker can claim up to £250 PER WEEK! not having paid into the system, or only paying for a few months, ands a poor OAP, having paid in all their lives, and in many cases having fought for their country, have to struggle on less than £100 PER WEEK! One word DISGUSTING!!!!!!!
I spend a lot of time in other European countries and believe me I would get NOTHING if I tried to get benefits in any of them Uk Dumber than dumb as usual They think we are a joke JJ
I agree its time we stood up to the EU, yes some come from these countries and do work and pay taxes, but many many more, come to the UK because we are a easy target for claiming benefits, I am a tax payer and I object to letting these people come here and claim benefits while I might lose my job because of all the cut backs. Just how much more do we take from the EU before we do something about it. No longer is this a green and pleasant land.
Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 UKIP are just as useless, they have more than enough greedy MPs dipping into the EU pocket, have a look at the official figures for the time they spend 'working' compared to what they claim for........sorry but it's time for the BNP, it's time to take our country back.
For people commenting negitively on yet anoher E.U Directive it's too late. You all had the chance to use democracy in the last General Election and vote for UKIP if you do not like the UK being a member of th EU. Your only options now are to"Lump It" or join all the Brits in Spain remembering here in Spain the government only abides by E.U. regulations that it favours and disregards the rest. Try getting any benefits here! although you can smoke any where you like.
It's like a form of genocide. They can ignore us as we are "just" British. Enough is enough. Time to stop complaining and start acting. I will only vote UKIP from now on.
May God Help Us All...
I have nothing against EU workers, most of them work hard and are friendly, but British born workers must be put FIRST, SECOND & THIRD otherwise we will see cultural and social breakdown on a massive scale....... British born workers must be put first!!!!!
Yes, well we've only ourselves to blame! If the benefits weren't so generous, then they wouldn't be flocking here would they? What about the immigrants from the third world countries who come here by the millions claiming political asylum? They get access to benefits as soon as they step on British soil, then they invite their large families over to join them here, I suppose EU immigrants are only going to be entitled to the same rules of getting benefits as the others, so that there is no discrimination by having to wait 12 months before they are allowed to claim. By all means, let's get out of the EU, it won't stop the third world citizens from queuing up to get in here though, there are many conflicts going on at present to ensure that. The government will continue to do as they see fit and let them all in on the false basis that they will be good for the economy of this country. They should simply stop making it so attractive to come here in the first place!
Bring them all! Plenty of room!
Can the last one out make sure the lights are off please?
Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now
I see all the BNP and UKIP nutters are out in force today. These people are seriously deluded if they think that wasting a vote on these so-called parties will change anything. You might as well waste your vote by voting for the Monster Raving Loonies. In fact, they're not so very different.
"What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration?"-- Harken, European Dictatorship, 03/3/2011 -------------------------- The UK had the option to restrict immigration from the new member states too, but the CBI lobbied for cheap labour (and still are).
One day after... 100,000 over 75's still working (mostly English I suspect).... makes you proud!
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days! - Anthony, Halifax, 3/3/2011 11:16 That could all change within a day...Let's hope it does you selfish man.
One of the major reasons I left England was the EU. Britain never needed to join it and should get out now and tell the EU to stuff their stupid laws.
britain unite, britain b strong ,B.N.P..u know it makes sense.. now its our turn
Aren't we a generous country eh; lets look after all the immigrants but sod the rest of us. My husband has had years of illness nearly died a few times but because he can peel a carrot gets knack all apart from £180 a month and I work my socks off so my taxes can encourage more anad more scroungers into the country, I love Britain!!
Damien Green's plan to reduce immigration to 'the tens of thousands' is just a lie. We cannot control immigration from the EU so we have a limitless flood from the member states and tens of thousands from outside the EU. All this at a time when unemployment is soaring and almost a million young people are out of work and with no future. I am sick of being milked through my tax to pay for so many people who contribute nothing. I'd love to have some to spare to help my own family. Cameron never intended to control immigration, despite his pre-election promises, and he's promoting Turkey joining the EU! A recipe for disaster for the UK.
Can anyone give advice which Country is best to emmigrate to?I simply have had enough!! this makes my blood boil!!British have to let this useless government know how we feel!!Marches anyone ?any suggestions ?!and lets face it theres more waiting to arrive in Britain, which we will be contributing to !!
This is immoral and verging on fraud. Most of these people have not paid into the welfare system (like most of us have) - yet they come here to feed off it. How low is the EU and its cohorts going to be allowed to stoop before something is done about their illegal and auocratic law making. I hope the europhiles are watching what is happening in the middle east (and to a certain extent in Greece) and taking note. This mad and nasty eu experiment will end in tears - mark my words!
Words almost fail me. Where are our politicians when we need them? Utterly useless, every one of them.
One day the British public will wake up instead of being more interested in Coronation Street/Eastenders.They vote for the three main parties and then moan. This new lot in power are no different from the last lot.We're giving billions in foreign aid and allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants in.Those people coming in are very poor and yet the public wonder why 1 in 5 children are living here in poverty.Our hospitals are clogged up, roads jammed, housing shortage, Still WHO CARES, the country has already gone down the plug hole.The country is full up and we're broke.We need to urgently get out of the EU.
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism' LIKE THEY STOP THAT NOW???!!!
Britain isn`t powerless to stop the move! All we have to do is leave the EU, tell them to get stuffed, reclaim our sovereignty & make claiming benefits dependant on having had gainfull employment in the UK for at least 20 years. I commend the idea to the house.
We need democracy in the UK.
How can these handouts be more than the amount a pensioner is expected to live on?! Hell will freeze over before "Call-Me-Dave" grows a backbone and defies an EU ruling!
Our benefits system and lack of oomph when treated badly means we are Father Christmas to EU member states. The other countries must be so relieved that we are so stupid, and will never do anything to alleviate the problem for us. So - please can we vote. I don't care what alleged benefits the EU gives us - we must be losing more than we gain. Out now. Bring back pounds and ounces, bent bananas and scrap cushy human rights for murderers and paedophiles.
You get outraged at this yet fail to be outraged at the money flying straight out of this country to Eastern Europen states in tax credits and child benefit. I mean this is happening right now. Lets be honest we don't even know if the kids exist.
I am truely depressed now how did we ever end up in this dire mess! GET OUT OF THE EUSSR NOW!
Right Cameron, you've spent a week talking tough to a failing dictator. Now's the time to put up or shut up to another failing dictatorship, the EU, show us you're not just another soundbite politician by telling the EU to go to hell. You may actually regain some of the respect that you lost when you compromised your principals for the whiff of power. If you don't have the power to ignore this EU edict then you and your government are of absolutely no use to the British people and Wasteminster will be exposed for the sham that most of us suspect it is. If the EU is in controll then all 650 of the self serving trough dwellers may as well be sent back to the sewers from whence they came.
DonÂ’t know why people are bothering over this, just because we are sitting with record un-employment, our health services are collapsing, education is going downhill rapidly, no council rented accommodation is available, and the country is heading for a horrendous recession when un-employment will rise to unimaginable heard of levels, but our Prime Minister is obliviously not too concerned, so let them all come and claim benefits, as IÂ’m sure our politicians know best. God help us can you imagine our country in a few years. One consolation however is that the country will be bankrupt by then and in so much of a mess no one will want to immigrate here or have I got it wrong?
this is got to be a joke .these people will take us for every penny they can get.its got to stop vote for e BNP government
A man who came over to England as an immigrant then had his "third" child here and claims all benefits under the son told someone in my family that he did not work because he "wanted" to spend time with his children!!!!!!!!! Laughable - my husband and I who are breaking even with our finances would like to spend more time with our children. Someone save us from this INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great!!. It is obvious to anyone with foresight that the Social Security system is heading for meltdown. The increased number of Benefit immigrants who will be attracted by this, the substantial number of our own legitimate citizens who choose not to work and the blatant unchecked fraud that is going on will ensure that honest workers will have to give up more of their hard earned cash to keep it afloat. Bring them all on it will ensure that we will have to adopt a system whereby you will only get paid if you work or have worked. Can't wait for it, as reading about all the disgraceful behaviour of the abusers and our witless politicians is doing nothing for my blood pressure or hard earned wealth.
squatters, spongers...i predict a riot
This country is doomed. RIP UK.
My pension after twenty years of paying tax and insurance is £45 00 per week!( I lived abroad the other twenty years) What a disgrace this country is .I advise my children to leave ASAP
so immigrnts can only work hard and pay taxes but they will not be entitled to benefits.....who will get this taxes then lazy brits......this country is getting crazy
The idea is that they come here to work. No work, no stay! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
i predict a riot
"But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. You just know that statement is lie.
The British Government, Ruthless with the British taxpayer, spineless with the EU.
Just received my Northumbrian Water bill for the coming year........An increase of 9%, fortunately I can afford the extra but how many other people can't and how many of these people will be getting no pay rise this year, still as long as we can continue to provide overseas aid and more money for immigrants and asylum seekers thats all that matters isn't it.
Pentioners who fought for this Country get less than 100 pounds a week but east eurpeans who never put in days work can claim upto 250 pounds a week,I am lost, This is like pushing the self destruction button,
I never wanted to, but finally I know we have to leave the EU and regain our sovereignty. I feel like I am being robbed.
Just another kick in the teeth for the UK from the Brussels Gauleiters,Britons have to pay taxes all their working lives to to 'qualify' for their right to these benefits and have to watch thousands of foreign freeloaders get such 'rights' without contributing in any way thanks to gutless politicians who while accepting these dictats flatly refuse to grant British expats in Canada,(through the same EU courts) their right to a full state pension and no linked benefits whatsoever
RIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen? Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 Hi Anne, it's because not everyone believes all they read in the Daily Mail.
In a recent poll, 48% claimed they would vote for non-violent right wing parties. Maybe now that has gone up somewhat ??
I am so glad I no longer live in the UK, when is the country going to stand up for itself and stop the EU imposing ridiculous legistlation on them.
Look you stupid people we are the NWO . Do as your told. BAA BAA
Get some backbone Cameroon or the people will show how,its not just the middle east that is fed up
Now is the time to get out of the EU and send these migrants back home or to Germany & Austria if they really want them. Enough of this namby pamby left wing tosh, it is time for middle England to fight to make this country a proud nation once more.
Being in the EU is obviously a liability now, there cannot be any profitable reason (apart from benefiting the fat cat rich) why we should remain in this power hungry 4th reich.
I wonder what would happen if we all decided to leave the UK (all the people who have always worked rather) where would the money come from then to support these people? It must be reaching a stage whereby there are more people in receipt of benefits than there are people working. Have we not reached saturation point yet? I always thought policitians were intelligent people???? When are we going to have someone with some backbone and the desire to fight for this country?
Come on Cameron, tell us what you CAN do not what you can't. The country wants out, either the EU go or you will.
I get more despondent every day. If I didn't have family over here that needed me I would leave this god forsaken country. The only thing our politicians really care about is lining their own pockets before they get voted out. We, the UK citizens should strike over many things our so called government inflict upon us, high fuel duties, increased VAT, raising the retirement age, giving our taxes away in benefits however, but we are far too British to do so. Its totally unbeleivable how we let ourselves get here, we should have risen against the government a long time ago.
The HRT does not prevent migrants from claiming British State benefits. It is not difficult to qualify through the HRT interview. I can also confirm that English people are usually denied access to JSA benefits for one reason of another despite having paid the National Insurance.
BRITAIN IS POWERLESS, AND WORSE STILL SPINELESS ! ! ! HOW LONG BEFORE WE ARE PAID IN EUROES ? ? ?
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Interesting comment re other eu countries where you need to work 5 yrs for benefits However pushover UK only one week . Can we go and free load in Sweden now ?? STRAW was responsible BUT NOW CONDEM ALL TALK NO ACTION CLUELESS \HOPELESS \GUTLESS A complete JOKE as nothing will happen as with all their hot air
Can we not tell brussels to get stuffed for that is what is happening to this country well and truly , David Cameron nor those bloody politicians who kow down to the eu don't even listen to the people of this country let alone read comments in the papers and not just the DM , I am heartily sick and tired of having my taxes used for scroungers , idle workshy men and women paying benefits to children that have children , and the pigs in the trough mp's here and in Brussels, and what a pity we are so tolerant towards this parliment and it's unfair laws perhaps a taste of egypt ,is needed here and I shall be voting BNP at the next election for sure. For gods sake Cameron wake up and smell the manure that Brussels is sending us into. and get some backbone We would manage our own country without the EU we have in the past and would do so again..
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back! - Sam, London, UK, 3/3/2011 11:31=========================We know how easy it is to get benefits if you're an immigrant but if you're born and bred here you have very little chance indeed. When we read and hear continually about this but are unable to do anything about it, how do you think that makes us feel?
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 12:23 Correct... It's called IKA and it's the Devil's own job to prize anything out of the Greek system; they got it right, the UK shoudl do the same.
It's time to support the BNP and get out of this union which is totally destroying us.
I think its about time voting was made compulsory with a none of the above space to put your cross in then we just might get a government that listens to the electorate and does something we all want .look its own people.
The whole benefits situation has been rudely bought home to me in the last week. My husband and I have worked all our adult lifes and are now retired trying to eke out an existence on the meagre state pension. Our youngest daughter has worked since before she left school, went to university, married and had a child last year. She has had to return to work as she could not survive on her husbands wage alone. Now heres the rub, our elder daughter hasn't worked in over 9 years, has 2 children by different fathers, never married either of them and has just split from the latest one. She has managed to get a house costing £900 a month to rent that she will only have to pay £100 for, Tax Credits totalling almost £190 per week, (how, when she doesn't pay tax?), and income support for herself. This does not include her Child Benefits of course. This is equivalant to her earning £20,000+( which is incidentally the amount that her hard working sister earns). It's a kick in the teeth isn't it
it is time to come out of EC now sooner than later ..... England should also charge road tax for foriegn vehicles on a daily rate this would stop the scam of insuring vehicles abroad and paying no road tax here whatsoever as then it would be cheaper for them to tax and insure in england if they live and work here ......a friend had to pay £815 road tax for 2 and a half days road use for his truck in Switzerland as they charge by the kilometer..Just think how many foreign trucks/cars use our roads for free. France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Germany, Austria and Swiss to name a few all charge for using their highways even Poland charges by the day to use their roads. Now please someone tell me where is the BRITISH sense of fair play its time to charge them for the use and upkeep of the highways system as they charge us to use their highways. All British Road Tax Payers are subsidising foriegn hauliers at the expense of our own hauliers.
It's time we adopt a benefits program to what the US does between states. if you move to another state you are only entitled to the amount of benefits that you home state pays. So say you move from Utah to California you are only entitled to $82/week instead of $200/week. This would result in Spanairds receiving only the same number of pounds per week as they would have received if they had remained in spain and for the same limitation of the length. In Spain they only recieve Jobseeker for 6 months.
And what? I am Hungarian and have lived in the UK - working 'over' full time continiously and never claimed a penny. Although I see many British people being lazy and not wanting to work hard. You people are so comfortable, that you get to choose what sort of job you want to accept, if that doesn't come up - because YOU chose to learn a trade that is not a necessity in society, you prefer sitting at home and just live on benefits, draining your own country! In Hungary (and most Eastern European countries) you would be living on the streets with this behaviour!!!! PS: What did the British Empire do for hundreds of years? They were draining other countries... Which is true.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country
My small rural town in Dorset is about to lose its library which is very well used, particularly by the elderly, many of who do not have cars and who have paid their Council Tax etc for years. The loss of our library will be devastating and the news that Eastern Europeans can come here, work a few weeks then claim benefits at a cost of miullions is salt in the wound of every rural town and village losing its library. It's morally wrong - like much of the EU and in future I'll vote for ANY party, no matter how right wing, that promises to get us out of the EU and if enough people do the same, perhaps the main parties will take action.
What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration? How dare these countries not fulfill their obligations while trying to tell us what we must do. Time for the referendum and to leave this disgraceful, unmanaged debacle of a so called union!
Get us out of the EU now
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31========================You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). . .
I voted UKIP.
DM has already covered stories of new to comers to the UK being given housing and allowed to claum job seekers allowance, without ever working, the whole thing is out of control.
We have two choices. Get out of the EU or tell them to stick their silly immigration rules where the sun don't shine. They will huff and puff but I think we will find that the majority in France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark et al will agree with us
Isn't it bad enough paying out for British scroungers, without now handing OUR HARD EARNED MONEY (couldn't help but shout then) out to foreigners. Something tells me Britain is going to disappear and hard earning Brits are going to end up emigrating themselves. Actually, lets do that then WHERE will these scroungers their free money from, if no one is here to supplement them?
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this.
Please can we come out of the EU before they all bleed us dry?
The Welfare Reform will clear the decks of UK claimants so that we can let the incomers claim. Why the hell are we still allowing the EU to tell us what we can and cannot do? No wonder they all want to come to the UK. Our Benefits policy will soon be......UK applicants need not apply, Immegrant applications welcome!!
Why are we so embarrassingly weak and useless over this? GET US OUT OUT OUT OF THE EU NOW CAMERON. There is no other choice. GET US OUT!! Unelected people in Brussels, unelected people in Downing St and we, the poor muggins British population, stuck in the middle. The Tory party is responsible for our being in Europe in the first place. Come on spineless Dave, get us out. Now we know how he finds it so easy to do soooo many U TURNS, he has no spine whatsoever. You promised us an EU referendum...when may we expect that please? Your stay in Downing St will be short, but NOT sweet, so try to make it memorable by doing JUST ONE USEFUL thing Cameron. You are a disgrace.
I do tire of this but I will say it once more.....this pontificating is pointless. We are ruled by the EU and our UK Government is rendered impotent as a result. Get used to it as all is lost.
Does this work both ways. So am I to assume, that if I want to move to Europe to try & find work - and then find myself unemployed I will be entitled to all these benefits as well?? I doubt it.
is it really possible that this spineless government (and the one before) do not realise what harm the EU is causing us? on top of the £11000 a minute we give to that corrupt institution we now have to give benefits to these people who flee their own corrupt countries
We're full and were broke and the EU morons want to load us with more immigrants. The EU has almost destroyed the UK.
Don't our moronic MPs think a Trillion in debt is enough. Maybe we should get rid of the Police and RAF entirely so we can give the money to foreign criminals, I mean spongers.
Looks like the majority on here want to leave the EU, well you better get on a plane and go because it will never happen, even the people you put in power have no inclination to leave. They tell you one thing and do another, the next step I hope is that we join the euro, that is the future. Dinosaurs are extinct because the could not keep up.
What on earth does it mean ' It leaves Britain Powerless to Refuse'? Just refuse access unless they can prove they have a UK sponser and a job that can't be filled by a UK citizen. How many more times are Europe going to kick the UK in the face, just for us to role over to get our belly tickled? It's obvious that Clueless Cameron and Clawless Cleg can't or won't lead us out of the EU, so just play the same game as Germany and France and only enforce the laws we want, and to hell with the rest.
GET OUT OF THE EU BEFORE IT DESTROYS THE UK. Any MP who is not inflamed by this should resign. The Royal Family should stop it. happening for heavens sake in stead of standing back and doing nothing. Our Fathers and past members of families of WW1 and WW2 didnt give up their lives defending their homeland for this to happen.
Listen to DCs interview on youtube and you will get the answer for it. He reaffirmed that his government has no plans to leave the EU, end of story I guess. He never once mentioned about immigration from EU while he was campaigning last year nor does he mention that even now. Nothing much can be expected.
I can't understand this.I went to Hungary to work,unlike in Britain where if you can't speak the language perfectly you have no chance of a job even if like me you have a skill that is sadly lacking in the country.I couldn't find anyone to employ me even stacking shelves in supermarkets so i enquired about benefits.No chance,zilch,zero,you have to be working full time & paying tax for two yrs to claim anything.So why is the same EU laws not applicable in Britain for migrant workers?I returned to the UK,signed on & tried to claim rent payment too,by the time i recieved benefit(6 wks) i was homeless & severely in debt.Maybe i should have pretended to not speak the lingo,claim to have several children,with no proof of their existence,& undoubtedly the benefits office would have pulled out all the stops to provide me with everything i could need.
Oh the joy of being in the EU, but what do they do for us?
Mike King Thailand. When it kicks off, or Catch something, youll be back to mummy.
UK in debt to the tune of £4 trillion (£4,000bn), according to data released in 2010 by the Office for National Satistics - £65,000 for each of us. National Debt INTEREST PAYMENTS alone will climb to £73.8bn by 2014/15, Institute for Fiscal Studies calculations. CUTS…More than 50,000 jobs are disappearing from the NHS, according to freedom of information responses, due to cuts by local health trusts struggling to save £20bn from their budgets. CUTS…fund for 21,000 people with severe disabilities cut by 2015. CUTS…The £359m Independent Living Fund (for carers so disabled can live at home and not in a care home) CUT CUTS… almost one million jobs lost in the UK because of government cuts in public spending… CUTS ...university tuition fees treble and now THIS?! SOMEONE PLEASE ORGANISE A PROTEST TO LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WE WANT OUT OF THE EU NOW... I'll be there, GREEN ARRW IF U WISH 2 B THERE
It is an outright untruth for Green to say they are "bringing immigration down to tens of thousands". They are bringing NET immigration for SOME non-EU routes down to that figure. GROSS immigration from all EU and non-EU routes will still be of the order of 500,000 a year. Half a million. DM - don't let him get away with that untruth.
Good grief its getting worse day by day. it all must be stopped .we canot afford it any more .the government is spineless and pathetic .for not standing up for this country.and its own people
It's total nonsense that checks are adequate. HMRC are busy cutting like crazy the people who check on tax credit fraud (I have a close friend who recently had her job disappear). Here's the deal: East Europeans come over, they register one child at school and on tax credit system. Single dad brings kid from Poland, no alarm bells? Maybe the mother comes too (briefly). Registers the kid at school, gets paperwork. (The kids don't actually have to attend - only 1 in 100 is checked, because of staff shortages). Once ONE kid is on the system, others can be added without checks. So single dad gets five kids worth of tax credits while mum & the kids live it up at home. You couldn't make it up. Having said that the figures show that the largest immigration issue is still with immigrants from Africa and South Asia where there's a post-colonial culture of 'entitlement' to handouts. (When was the last time you heard of an unemployed Chinese person? You just don't!). Ridiculous.
Time this government showed us what it is made of. No more tough talking, we want to see what you can do, get us out of the EU or tell the EU where to get off. This by even the slightest applicartion of common sense is plainly wrong.
We are a island and there are only so many tax payers,We can't sustain more people taking out than putting into the pot.If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force
Oh lovely - I can see where all this is leading and it isn't somewhere over the rainbow!
David Cameron please give us a Referendum. The majority of the British want out of the EU! I am sick of reading about EU regulations and directives - WE CAN MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS THANK YOU!!!!!
- Karen, Stoke England, 03/3/2011 11:17 Karen I am in the same boat as you paid off due to lack of business last year,I signed on with an agency, I have worked only odd days, I have tried to claim benefits, but was told I didn't have enough stamps for per
No, No, No
So, hang on a bit. They can come in, prove they want stay here and get benefits? Yet I have paid into the system since 1968, took a five year break to go abroad, came back and was refused jobseekers allowance because I had not paid into the system for the previous two years. Where is the fairness in that???
Anyone else find it ironic that the very purpose of the EU (originally in concept) was to keep peace and prevent another world war - and now because of their insane and out-of-touch rulings - are driving more and more moderate people to favour the idealogies and vote for the far-right parties? With all this resentment building up - I hope history doesn't repeat itself...
Let us all take to the streets and protest like they do in other countries . Why are we always afraid to say anything over here?
Look the only thing is to have a GENERAL STRIKE. Then we can get out. They wont do anything otherwise. Its up to us We can make the change.Us the people
Its nice to know that the money I am loosing by getting my pension 18 months later will go to such a good cause.
This leaves Britain with only 2 options-exit the EU-lets vote! or reduce benefit entitlement and amounts to a point which is in keeping with other EU countries so that the UK is no longer attractive to scroungers of whatever nationality-Benefits should only be for the sick, elderly and disabled, and a time limited stopgap for those temporarily out of work-Why should taxpayers fork out for the idle and for those who want to hold their hands out to take but who have no intention of considering themselves first and foremose British citizens?
Powerless to stop it ? Grow up and get us out of of the European Union. That will stop it.
Come on Mr Cameron get us out of the EU now....
The government has been trying to cut benefits to certain groups of people (disability, child benefit, EMA etc etc) and now they will have to pay out to yet another group. Common sense says get us out of the EU. But no one in power actually HAS any common sense.
We need to leave the EU now! Before it sucks us under.....
Don't blame the ConDems (or Labour) - blame yourselves if you put your cross against one of those parties or failed to vote at all! Each and every one of you is a TRAITOR to this Country and its people! My conscience is clear - I voted UKIP!
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was brought up well.... TO NEVER VOTE TORY!!! Why do we bother! we have a spineless weasle as a PM, and all of his predecessors also... this country is an absolute MESS! Great Britain?? Pull the other one!!!!!
In the past when I've been between jobs I've haven't claimed with help towards my mortgage interest or council tax benefit because I couldn't afford to be unemployed for any length of time and took jobs with lower salary and prospects purely because I need to work to pay my bills. Reading this and knowing that other EU countries make people pay into the system before the can receive handouts from it disgusts me. I feel like signing the deeds of my home to the government, resigning from work to obtain income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, etc, etc., to improve income and living standards to match the home grown and migrant ponses! If we can't beat them let's sink to thier level and join them!
We have no choice but to get out of the EU. Will freebies galore they'll flood here.
Typical Daily Mail rubbish and totally false. Not one of these (up to) 100,000 Eastern Europeans will get a penny of UK state benefits. The DWP has something called the Habitual Residency Test, which everyone has to comply with before they are paid anything. None of these people who are going to "swamp" the country would be entitled to any state handouts whatsoever. This garbage is a complete and utter non-story. But then, when did the Daily Mail and it's small minded readers let reality stand in the way of a good anti-johnny foreigner, anti EU, pro UKIP rant. Get a life you sad people.
Who signed up to this then behind closed doors, Gordon Brown by any chance? Whoever it was should be ashamed of themselves and what they have done to this country. I'm suprised any of us can be bothered to work anymore, what other country is as stupid as this one?
and my GP recently told me that if i am out of the UK for more than 6 months in a year, i become a 'temporary resident' when i AM in the UK,- despite still paying full tax and NI from 1985 til now-and that apparently means that i won't get anything but emergency medical teatment without paying for it. Thats good to know isn't it? How long will these lot need to've paid in for, to qualify for i won't get from now on as i am moving to Greece ? I asked my Greek partner what health freebies i can look forward to over here. He's only just stopped chuckling. although i must say it gets a bit better as and when we get married. Where is the 'quid pro quo' in all of this? i m not someone who'd come skulking back to the Uk just for medical treatment, but it sure does seem that priorities are skewed when a non-contributing foreigner gets treatment that i am now gonna have to pay for,after years of paying my way and visiting the doctor, as i recall , only 4 times? Its barmy.
Because we give freebies to anyone, our debt will just get larger and our currency even weaker. And as a result inflation will go higher for UK citizens..
So we do not follow the EU rules on votes for prisoners or the police holding DNA forever but we follow this? I suppose it gives a different group to blame for the state of the country apart from the ill,disabled or unemployed but must never blame the bankers oh no they did nothing wrong or the Labour overspend.
We need to get out of the EU NOW & revert back to making our own decisions. We can longer afford to be dictated by Europe.
You get exactly what you voted for, sorry but the UK is the most stupid nation on earth and a magnet for the worlds workshy,
BNP BNP BNP
If thats the case then ,How come British Pensions living outside the eu,have not had there Pension increased, Many with a pension of only £20 per week even though they have paid there NI stamps in full before they left to live with there family abroad.Seem that we treat others better than our own
The EU are a law unto themselves, they make me so ANGRY. They make up these rules with no consideration for the countries they affect. Our goverment has no back bone and we get lumbered with paying out for people we don't even want in our country. That may sound cruel but for me its true, we have enough in the country already and this scheme will just keep them coming. We are a country who gives everyone but the hardworking a free ride. It's time it stopped, it's time somebody said NO MORE!
One piece missing from your report. How do we claim back the money from the foreigners original members states? The entitlement should only be equal to that which the individual would be alowed to claim in their own country.
Well this government and the last are determined to eradicate any vestige of Britishness and culture i this country. Why the Hell am i at 73 Still paying income tax to fund these migrants and benefit scroungers. I haven't got enough money and I m also too old to emigrate or by God I would. I am sick of the politicians selling my country down the river
Brett McBain, Crete and Norway (ex-pat), -- Brett, nor can they. The DM is only trying to pump you up (which is why this may never get into print...)
Lybour signed up to all this, They didn't give a referendum on the issue! they signed away the rights of british people, there money, there laws, there freedom. Don't ever vote this sham of a party in again! total disaster and the party that ruined Britain!
Should we not have a (taxpayers) referendum on whether or not we should support any immigrants on benefits ? I hope the Tories will soon repair this damage. They will get an overall majority at the next election if they do.
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples!
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back!
If there are very many thousands of potential illegals waiting in France to get to this country to live a life of luxury on benefits easily obtained here then how much easier will it be for these coming here "legally". Still if you keep on voting for Curly, Larry or Mo, then nothing will change.
What was it Cameron said during the run up to the election? Something like "If I don't come up to scratch then you can vote me out"? Looks like he's going to get his wish doesn't it. If he doesn't start saying NO to Brussels then this country will fight back against all the proposed cuts and this country will no longer exist. I truly wonder what our brave men and women fought and died for so long ago. This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough.
OH, you mean people from other EU countries? why did you not say so...........doesn't sell so many trashy newspapers?
Why is it that such people can enter the UK and get such enormous handouts and pensioners who have worked hard and contributed so much to the country - in one generation's case fighting and offering their lives for their country - get just a fraction as a pension? Where's the logic - why can this happen? What is the justification for it? Why doesn't anyone ever raise this issue?
I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whats the point in working hard in this country????? Which way to the dole queue?
What is going on? W must be the laughing stock of all.
''Changes: Damian Green said Germany and Austria will open their labour markets to Eastern Europe'' And the band played believe it if you like!
It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer. you can fly from Poland for less than £50...so what good geography when the benefits outweigh the cost literally
More lunacy forced on us by the parasites in europe. "But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop "benefit tourism"." yeah I'll bet they will. Meanwhile us that have contributed for years continue to live on a punitive pension AND get taxed on our small private pensions with no hope of claiming any of the benefits mentioned in the article. Makes you want to emigrate perhaps to one of the old eastern bloc countries!
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
Will, London, 03/3/2011 11:03... Don't blame it all on the Labour party who is the biggest supporter of Turkey joining the EU our own Mr Cameron.
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all. - Mary, London, 03/3/2011 10:56 And no doubt some do gooders will argue that you're better off than some of these economic migrants. And as for our gutless government sticking up for you instead of those migrants, well just forget it. They are just in thrall to the Hampstead socialists and as they are usually millionaires anyway, they just don't understand how you must be suffering. The UK is a great place to sponge off the state!
This just cannot be allowed to happen. We are the ONLY country in Europe who act so generously to "incomeres". When I lived in Spain I worked for everything and there are NO HANDOUTS for anyone, especially immigrants or residents of the EU choosing to live there. This country is no longer a leader in good ideas!
Pure Marxism, Communism, Leninism, Blair/Brownism. The worker you tax to death, to the layabout you give them everything they need or want.
As my wife pointed out last night, you should not be able to claim child benefit if your child was born outside the UK. Also, you shouldn't get working tax credit or any other benefit from our Government until you have paid INTO the system for a certain amount of time. We may as well all go and sit at the Arrivals areas at the airports and just hand over our money.......
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
how can this be right when my daughter who has 2 jobs just to keep a rented roof over her head and as for buying her own property - well that will never be, she has never claimed a penny benefits in her life. Yet people who have never paid into the system 'take' money from the tax she pays (ie proceeds from my daughter's hard earned wages to pay beneifts!) - yes she is grateful to have work in this climate but she works hard and that is why her employers keep her on.
The BNP are not a political party, they are a bunch of of thugs with neo-nazi ideals. The government just need to get a big set of balls. And also learn to say NO
forget the BNP or the EDL have a look at the (The English Democrats party) they are looking very good at the moment
so go to Russia and claim some benefits
Can we all claim benefits if we go to their countries too ?
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers - wontgetfooledtilnxtime, tyneside uk, 3/3/2011 10:45.......................................Exactly, which is why the Tories of New Labour had no intention of doing anything about it, and why this ragbag coalition of Tories will let it continue despite Pinocchio's rhetoric. No matter which party of Tories is in power tax evasion by the rich will not only continue but be activly encouraged by tax laws ful of holes. Rich ruling for the rich.
bombard your MP in anyway you see fit , WE WANT A REFERENDUM NOW ,GET US OUT OF THE EU.
well the migrants will simply go where ever the biggest benefits can be had and we know where that is THE UK the easy option is to cut benefits NOW b4 they all arrive plus their will be a positive knock on effect that will reduce benefits for those already living it up at the taxpayers expense
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
When will this insanity end? What if half of Eastern Europe come here, which would be in the millions, would we have to give all of them more money than some British born people earn!? Where is this money coming from? Oh yes, of course, the defence budget has just been slashed. That should do it.
why is anyone taking notice of that treaty...none of us got to vote for! that dictates to us what we must,nt and must do! even the EU dose,nt take any notice of it and does as it please,s and has broken that treaty time and time again. that in its self makes the so called treaty NULL AND VOID (No longer valid or enforceable) the same as any contact thats broken and our own law,s make it illegal for a goverment in power to had any power of our country to foreign power,s.......which was NEVER amended in law to make the signing of the treaty possible!! the EU allowed by the our goverment are slowly destroying our country and our way of life for there own gain,s other wise they would be telling the EU to shuv it !!
Its time to get out off the EU, are corrupt thieving government , are giving are money away to foriegners, while we suffer. The army should return from afganistan,and arrest the government,on behalf off the british people. And put them on a charge of treason
It makes me so angry, my Daughter a victim of domestic violence awaiting to go to court to testify against her no mark of an X, cannot get a council property to be near us her parents for her own safety and sanity, i have told her to change her name by deed poll, that would speed it up for her.
The country will go bust and the Europhiles will say how did this happen? We are ruled by idiots and the electorate are idiots for allowing idiots to rule us so the mad house is now GB Ltd. I despise politicians of all political parties because they have a different genetic make up to normal people and are some kind of alien species sent to destroy us. I fully support right wing dictatorships at least you get what you see not what your promised.
The only answer is to get out of the EU. I travelled all over Europe before any of this nonsense, received my stamp on arrival, which entitled me to a three- month stay. If you wanted to settle all you had to do was prove you could look after yourself by showing a bank statement or equivalent until you found a job. The government cannot keep reducing pensions, local services etc. and then be seen to give benefits to those who have never paid in. These migrants should claim from their own country and if they can find a job in the UK then fine but otherwise no money should be given from the UK tax payer.
Worked and payed into this club from being 15 now retired living on a lot less then these people are going to be allowed wheres my human rights oh yeah i dont have any i just paid in silly me
So when is the EU going to make the Government pay a decent European State Pension? £250 per week sounds a good place to start.
In a time of savage cuts this move is just plain evil. The Government is in the process of imposing savage cuts which impinge on every family in the country, then it proposes to give the savings away to foreign nationals who have never contributed anything to our economy. This is lunatic economics, and Cameron and co should resist this European directive on a point of principle, even to the point of pulling out of the EU. However I don't think they have the guts to stand up to their European bosses, and Nick Clegg would rather see Britain go to the dogs than dare to question His Masters Voice from Brussels.
Twenty two years of working with only a maximum of three weeks unemployment. Even then I signed on as unemployed but I didn't receive benefits as I signed on to a temping agency and declared all my earnings. I have an average take home pay of £260 (after tax) - of which I have to pay all my bills, full council tax and prescriptions. I'm currently thinking of applying for migrant status in my own country.
Cameron is a gutless coward, spineless toad, I remember him saying that he would allow his people, the British people, the tax payers the right to vote on the EU. What a yellow belly Liar! The man is a fraud, total scum bag and as far as I am concerned I hope something very bad befalls him soon. We all know why they do not give us the vote, its because we the people would vote NO...So what does that tell you.Its tells me we so no to war, they go to war, we say no to the EU we are in the EU. these self important people think they know better. They don't! they are fools, paid fools! Spineless, cowards.
So to all you British sick people about to be hammered by the ATOS Gestapo , look on the bright side , the money the govornment saves will be going to someone from the other side of Europe who fancies " Chanceing it " In Brittain !
i'm sick to bloody death of things like this the u.k. is fit to burst.......no more foreigners sponging off the hard working
I have come to the conclusion that Britain is drowning in its own idiocy.
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days!
How... in the name of all that is sacred... can it be that I cannot claim anything at all although I have a UK passort and was born here in 1965 but have been out of the country for a few years. I could not even claim JSA despite 18 years paying INTO they system.
Stop griping and start voting UKIP, then you'll not have to. Is it so hard?
Utter madness. We are always being shown "State TV" of Libya and Egypt to apparently have us believe that it is just showing what the state wants it to show re government policies, can someone please tell me how our TV Stations are any different. They are just the same. So in effect we are being treated the same as people in countries that Cameron wants to change, I think it's time he started working for his own people instead of bothering about everyone else. Plus if the rest of the EU doesn't have to comply with this stupid fraudulent use of their money, why do we. There has to be a reason why they all want to come here instead of staying in France or wherever they pitch up first. I'm begining to think that the Gaddafis have more sense than our own MPs.
You would not dare print what I think of Cameron and his bunch of spivs
go to ukip web site and sign petition
Steve, Durham, 3/3/2011 9:56 - could not agree more mate. I worked for 32 years without break paid a small fortune in tax and NI and after losing my job get nothing. Not a sausage because my wife works. In my last job I paid more than £600 per week to government and get zilch in return. Can I go to another country and get some funds without working?
Just one more of the many reasons why everyone in the UK should vote for the UK Independence Party (UKIP). Unless we have a moderate political party with the guts to take us out of the UK in Government, such as UKIP, then this country is doomed as it will be wrecked by the EU with the full consent of the pro-EU Lib Dem, Tory and Labour pacts.
How about Cameron & Co. funding the REAL UK citizens to leave this shambolic country. £250 per week, our own pensioners don't get that much and they paid for it all their lives and some who's relatives with their lives.
Does this mean that if we the English move to Lithuania they also must give us 250 a week?
for godness sake pay them to stay at home please
My average weekly food bill here is 42 pounds This includes fresh (still flapping) fish and seafood. My gas electric rubbish and security comes to about 20 pounds per month.. There are no parking fees or cameras or council tax... Gasoline is 40p per litre and the temperature holds at 85F throughout the year... Why does everyone want to be there...Ha ha ha
Are we getting the full story here? This is just unbelievable ... the third or fourth story this week that has involved EU intervention over what the British people want. It's all a bit too late now, as politicians of both parties have been secretly signing over our rights to Europe for the past 20 years or so.
I find it so interesting how the media is obsessed with Eastern Europeans whom legally come over and take advantage of 'our' system - I live in Mitcham, South London and I'd like to know why all these tens of thousands of Africans we have living in Mitcham are here - How many sub-Saharan Africa countries are in the EU? If we can't deal with these people from outside of the EU claiming our benefits, what chance have we with Europeans living in the EU?!
My god what have we been doing lately, I scrimp and save go to work getting up at 5:45 every morning dirve 120 mile daily at a co2t to me of £500 a month, so that I can pay my taxes to support immigrants to live on more than I have left after travel expenses, and I have to pay full poll tax because I managed to save a little.......THIS IS TOTALLY NOT ON!!!! The EU wants kicking up the backside why is Britain continually penalised?????? Is this DISCRIMINATION on Britain,
Germany and austria will open it,s doors to A8 countries maybe so but germany and austria don,t have a benefits system like the U.K.s nor does france,spain or greece to name just a few of EUSSR countries one has to pay in to there systems for at least 2yrs to recieve any sort of benefit.Unlike the U.K. were its money for nothing and digs come free. Mr green says the U.K. system will be protected well those words don,t inspire confidence they can,t stop migrants from outside the EUSSR claiming benefits so what chance has this coalition got of protecting the system from migrants from member states. One things for sure this government will bend over backwards to comply with EUSSR laws they have not got the backbone to stand up and tell them to take a running jump.anybody from anywere can claim benefits in this country except the people who are born in the U.K. they have to fight to get a penny out of the government.
By the time..... the EU has finished with us.... we are all going to be on our knees in rags. This utter - total MADNESS - has to end. EU - REFERENDUM... before it's too late...... which it probably - already - is !!
sick of going to work and getting taxed for the foreigners to end up getting my money, would we get money in their home country no, so why do they get it here Britain as no jobs it cost millions to keep our own, all i can say is get us out of the EU send everyone back to there home land then britain will rise again.
During my stay in France Iam entitled to' ZILCH'. If you cannot speak the language you are unable to get a job, no job you cannot draw benifits, no benifits no foriegn scroungers. Its simple. If the French and other EU countries can enforce its Law why is Britain ALWAYS saddled with this CR-P? Or is it because bliar and his socialist dross signed away our independance? A Bigot. Fareham
When I first arrived in France, as a fluent French speaker and highly qualified, I thought that it would be a relatively simple task to find a job, even a low paid one. But here you have to have a certificate to say that you can operate a till! If you hadn't worked here previously, and contributed to their system you were entitled to zilch. That's how it should be in the UK. If you've never contributed you should get absolutely nothing until you have. When I was made redundant in the UK, I received a massive £53 a week. How come they'd be entitled to £250?
This is why they are knocking people of incapacity benefit to make way for this lot.
"But the department insisted that protecting the benefit system from abuse was its 'number one priority'. A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits" The only way you can't claim benefits in the UK is to have worked here and paid taxes all your life. The government don't care about the UK people, just about pleasing the foreign immigrants.
Shamoron, you are a disgrace. STOP being the doyen of the U turns and do what you PROMISED. You PROMISED an EU referendum. Although,there's really no point now in having that. It would just be another waste of tax payers money. You KNOW how we all feel about the much loathed EU. 99.99% of British people want us OUT. The Tories took us into Europe so it's up to the Tories to get us out. Come on Dave, your tenure at #10 will be very short lived so try to do SOMETHING useful while you're there. GET US OUT!!! Failing that, Mr Useless, YOU GET OUT. We have no leadership in this country and we are just adrift. SOS....help !!
Politicians are destroying our country and acting against the interests of the people, isn't that treason? We need action, as in the Arab countries, to get rid of the treacherous dictators ruling us.
More bloody scare stories from this paper:pack it in.
You pool fools, you have lost it totally; Every one will now to go England,, free housing, free money and no need to work; The streets of England are truly paved with GOLD, except if you are one of those who are still foolish enough to be in work, then you will have to pay for this . There will be exceptions of course, all those in the Public sector will get pay rises to cover the cost, but those of you that earn the money for your nation, well what is the phrase " Up yours "
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges) - Arty, UK, 3/3/2011 10:36::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Sorry As An Aussie I hate to inform you it's just as bad over there. Food and Services are heaps more expensive in OZ. Power costs have just gone up 50% in Perth and groceries are at least 3 times more expensive. Take it from one who knows.
I actually feel sick to the stomach. This is going to encourage thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions, more to migrate here. Why should I pay my taxes to support these people? Who in their right mind thinks we need these people (oh, I forgot, the Labour party)?
The question is:- "'They will have to prove they have a right to reside here and will then be asked to prove their attachment to the UK; they will have to show an intention to settle here and their reasons for coming to the UK." The answer is:- "We intend to settle here so that we can claim free housing and all the benefits that come with it so that we don't have to work anymore".
Ever feel you're part of a game where you don't know what the real objective is?
Pull the UK out of the EU??????????You would really be down the tubes very rapidly.All your farming would immediately go bankrupt with no subsidies or export markets,swiftly followed by the little remaining industry you haven't flogged off to us or India.Plus,what would DM have to whinge about then?
I want out of this country.
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
The Department of Works and Pensions spokesman says are number one priority is to protect the benefits system from abuse, he should say to protect themselves from be accused of malpractice. After working 40 years I suffered an accident which left me disabled 18 months ago, the DWP sent me two illegal payments which I returned and I still waiting for payment for my sickness benefits which I am legally entitled to, even winning my appeal at the Independent Tribunal Service. I suppose they're too busy with all these foreign claimants to bother about the local population because they do not want to be called racist and be politically correct, with more European immigration into this country perhaps 18 months might not be a long time in the future for hard working tax paying British people as we will be put further back in the queue I am just disgusted with senior civil servants in this country
If being a member of the EU, means we have no control over our finances, then the question has to be asked:- why are we in this organisation anyway. The hole, that this country has dug itself in, is getting deeper by the day, so let`s get ourselves out of it NOW. `Referendum` is a word that does not exist in the dictionary of present government ministers, but UKIP members have a wider vocabulary and would not be deterred from using it. -- Tom --freedom --
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
I wonder if the European Union would agree that all pensioners should be paid the same as Soviet Bloc immigrants, we've paid our taxes, worked and lived here all our lives so surely we should not be considered financially inferior to immigrants, or are we inferior? I live on £130 a week basic pension, I've always paid what taxes are due, so surely I deserve to be treated as well as anyone who comes to live in this country! For heaven sake, get us out of the EU, we're British not European, although some in government want us to toe the EU line.....for some reason or other! All pensioners should write to their MP demanding equality with any immigrant!
Damian Green, the Immigration Minister, said:" We’re in the process of delivering major reform to bring immigration down to tens of thousands with the introduction of a new limit on economic migrants from outside the EU.” Won't happen,he's lying!
Why are their benefits not paid at the British rate by their country of birth and not funded by the British tax payer. If they want the life of luxury without a job, then their home country can pay for it. We truly are a soft touch and our weak, inefective Government will just roll over and do what the EU says. Are you listening Cameron?
VOTE UKIP - The tories talked tough on immigration and have FAILED to da anything. - Labour created this mess and should NEVER be voted for again. - Lib Dems are a bunch of clowns and liars (more so than the other 2 main parties). The whole of Westminster NEEDS a radical shake up before it's too late.
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. - Speedysnail, Poole, Dorset, 3/3/2011 10:19 A simplistic and naive view. The UK is probably the only country where you can be on benefits for life. In Spain you get 4 months doles ofr every year worked up to the maximum of 2 years. There is no housing benefit, limited child benefits (lower tax until child reaches 3). We are not playing on a level playing field. If all benefits were the same across Europe, you would not see this problem.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to. - rupert, yorks,uk, 3/3/2011 9:34.........Do you live in Britain?
i agree take to the streets.
BNP.....it makes sense and the time is right ...
And where does the EU think the money is going to come from? Thin Air. Other countries in Europe don't give all these hand outs so why should we.
Im sure a couple of days ago there was a story of someone claiming benefit for hundreds of people out of one address, cant we employ him to do it for the rest of the travelling wasters seeking easy cash to send to their mother country and out of the british economy?
I think this is truly appalling, I was born in the UK, I have lived here all my life, and I don't make this much at work, I can't use my car any more fuel is so expensive, and public transport is just about beyond me, yet these lazy creeps come here and take money from the hard earned tax that people like me pay every month. Get out of the EU, and set the folks of GB free of misery, throw the lot of them out.
Stop blaming the EC. They don't insist France, Spain etc dish out benefits to new arrivals. It's our own gutless, weak, ultra liberal rules of entitlement, administered by Weary Willies who couldn't run a whelk stall. " They must prove an attachment to the UK and an intention to find work." Of course the Romanian gypsies do!
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all.
There always ways to get around any system.These people will flood into the UK in the offchance that they can bypass the system. When they fail then Human Rights and the lawers paid by us will ensure they stay and recieve welfare. The south of England will not be a very nice place to live the way things are developing..Especially for poor people..Whom does the EU benifit ?We should get out NOW.
Any one from Eastern Europe can come here and claim benefits whilst those like myself who've paid into the system for 40 years cannot claim a penny because I put a few pennies aside for a rainy day. Disgusting.
We must get out of the EU a.s.a.p, if we don't we will become a third world country, and if our government won't listen to us, then maybe we should do as the people have done in Egypt and Lybia?
Germany are so short of young people, that they will paying young Poles to move there to train as apprentices. And they will be entitled to full benefits, Perhaps the UK should start to worry about this competition.
There's only one party now will get us out of this mess...
If only our leaders stopped bleating on about there being no money for all the services, and PULLED US OUT OF THE EU, there would be plenty of money to spend on these things. The truth is, the top politicians are in it for themselves, wanting to expand the EU Empire so they can eventually have a world government ruled by an elite, with them being part of that elite of course. They certainly are not handing over all that money each year to the EU Dictatorship for the benefit of the people of the UK. Quite the reverse, the ordinary people get NOTHING at all out of it, though the rich land owning cronies of those in power get hundreds of thousands from it in subsidies. Meanwhile, we are paying all that tax for this to happen. The unelected gravy train elite who are running the EU have got to be some of the most self serving people ever born. Yet we allow them to get away with it because we keep voting the same three Parties into power, and they will do nothing about it.
yet people like me who lost there job late last year are peanalised for the slightest thing, i missed one interview, immediately rebooked and attended, have applied for countless jobs but they stop a week of my money for missing one interview,now im really struggling. ive worked my entire adult life but now im facing hard times the government looking for ways to stop benefits for people including people who are seriously trying to get back into work. its almost like they want revolution here!!! they keep pushing the people to anger!
that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh they do stop here but not in the thousands that are going to Britain. They come here and take the jobs and then get the choice of paying their tax here or back in Poland for example. The government is losing tax from these people plus having to pay unemployment money to the Dutch who were put out of work. Their drinking is another problem. Sorry to say that, but you read just about every day that some trucker has been caught over the limit while in charge of a truck. Still, if the Dutch companies want drunks and workers who don't understand or attempt to understand the language. So be it but it will come back on them in the future.
Mr Cameron listen to your people,the people you represent ! GIVE US A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U. NOW !
Just what the UK needs! Come one come all, the more the merrier.
We are full enough as it is, makes me sick it really does. I work so hard to support a family of four on one income and yet a foreigner comes in and claims the full allowance simply for being here....where do we all queue up to leave?
The law changes will come into effect within weeks as the European Union scraps restrictions imposed when eight states joined the EU in 2004, and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move. Britain is not powerless to counter the move, the leaders just don't want to lose the personal benefits they will have now or at a later date. The government also want millions off benefits, is this so they can pay the immigrants instead
We need to say NO ! and refuse entry to them ! What will the EU do if we do this ? Impose fines ? Great - don't pay them ! Jail the whole British Nation - er no! Put us us against a wall and piut a bullet in our heads ? Not really Expell us from the EU ? GREAT - BRING it on JOB DONE ! There are no problems, only solutions !
What i want to know how many other EU.countrys pay benifits to them , we have and how much would they get there.We have become the dumping ground for all the other EU states.
Read the article. No one can simply enter and claim benefits. Honestly, what is wrong with people who have been paying tax into the system claiming the benefits that that tax pays for if and when they need it? What does their nationality have to do with it? It's no more wrong for a Latvian in the UK to claim British unemployment benefit having lost their job than it would be for me, a Brit in Germany claiming German unemployment benefit if I lost my job. In both cases we are actually entitled, having paid into the system. Sometimes people forget all these European arrangements are reciprocal. And that the rest of Europe is also opening its labour market (in May). That combined with the collapse of the pound (from €1.50 to €1.15) is making the UK a far less attractive place to work for eastern Europeans.
Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is. - Jon, Cleveland --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which party is that, John?
This country is being run by a LIBERAL FASCIST ELITE that has only one aim, the complete distruction of British people and our culture. Now it does'nt seem to matter what party they are or coalision of parties, the rest of the world comes first, the British people last. Words fail me.
This is outrageous, our pensioners have to subsist on a fraction of this money and yet, the greater majority have contributed to the system all of their working lives. This government havn't the guts to tell the EU that we will not obey their dictat. Lets get a government with some 'bottle'.
Why ?
There will be a very easy way round this but it will be interesting to see if our government is interested enough to find it. In terms of arguing about prisoners and their right to vote, I think immigration is far more important. So we'll just have to wait and see whether our government thinks the same.
the only way out..B.N.P and put a stop to this nonsense now....
The UK is bankrupt, over populated and in the midst of so called austerity! How can foreigners get benefits? Payment of National Insurance should be required for any benefits! This rotten country has the worst politicians and government in the world, they sem to be steeped in collective madness. We must abandon the equally mad EU. Please vote for the BNP or UKIP, we must give up on the con/lib/lab dunderheads.
Time to forget your false self pride, Great Britain! And dare not call me an Eastern European, I come from the Czech Republic where life is so much better than here for us ordinary people! Your country is on the way to hell.
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers
I cant wait only when the country is completely over run will they learn, becuase the immigrants wont be paying any tax to fund the madness. Roll On the destruction of England, Rule Britania needs to be changed as we are already slaves to the EU
We need out of the EU now. Cameron says he is handing power back to the people,but although 85 percent want a vote on this issue,we Brithish are denied a vote as it is only for democratic countries.
Give us the b----y referendum we were once promised...NOW.
The EU is using us as a dumping ground time to get out I think.
Meanwhile pensioners who have paid tax all their lives are sitting indoors with coats on and eating one meal a day. Disabled and dying people worrying whether they will now be deemed fit to work and their allowances stopped. Beacause this country is BROKE, Spineless gutless government get us out of the EU now!
If we have to pay them benefits , which i believe is totally unacceptable, then they should only be paid the same amount they would recieve in there own country , that should apply to all immigrants ,untill they have contributed to the Pot ,its not science
Spoeedysnail in Dorset - I lived in Spain for 10 years and as far as I know, if the rules haven´t changed, you had to live there for 2 years to claim anything. It would be nice if all OAP´s could have 250 GBP a week - then we could live it up. What with free prescriptions in Wales and Scotland and now 250GBP a week for immigrants, then the High Speed train to pay for, then the Olympics, which which leave us broke, we don´t have a very rosy future.
Enough is Enough! It's bad enough we have allowed our own scroungers to live off the state for so many years without being forced to take in other countries! It's an outrage that someone who has never lived in this country or contributed a penny, can wlak through our boarder patrol and be entitled to be looked after for the rest of their miserable lives! Cameron and Clegg if you want another stint in the top jobs BLOCK THIS PATHETIC LOOP HOLE NOW!
It is time that we learned a few lessons from the Egyptians and the Tunisians, and liberated ourselves from the kleptocracy.
I can assure you this will not apply in France. It is rare to find foreign workers in France, Why?
Maybe they could extend this courtesy to the Libyans who will arrive here shortly?
so where will the money come from,with all the cuts being made plus the money we waste on other countries now we can ill afford this,i wish I could emmigrate and get the hell out of this country.
Watch people pack in work by the thousands. Why am I working? I am taxed to extinction to pay for these freeloaders. Why should people claim benefits who have made absolutely no contribution to them. Bankrupt? You ain't seen nothing yet. Europe will succeed where ZanuLabour only took us to the brink.
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges)
If they are unemployed anyway then they might as well be unemployed in the most generous nation for benefits and housing and unfortunately that is us! Why wouldn't they come here? It's a disgrace our political elite have allowed our country to become powerless against this.
So, at last, will someone see that there is an urgent need to CUT UK benefits so they are no higher than those in other EU states. That should end all the problems and may reduce my tax liability. After all we're all in this together.
And has long has the muppets(voters)keep voting in the current crop of politicians, there will be no stopping the communist EU,has they are all EU friendly,didn't they all promise a referendum in their manifestos, then reneged on that promise, yes folks they LIED too you ,this country will sink under the weight of all the scroungers making their way through Germany and France too get too the land of milk and honey,Trouble is soon enough we indigenous people will be eating bread and just plain water,while the scroungers have £££ thrown at them,its just a national disgrace, vote independent next time. party politics is ruining us all.
The sky is full of flying pigs. I do not believe one word they utter.
I have just tried to claim living allowance from the benefits agency due to a herniated disc in my back and nerve damage in my left leg and i have been told i am " not entitled " to any financial help at all, even though i had a dr's note at their request. Some days i can have an 'ok' day, and other days, i can't roll over in my bed or stand or walk, or sometimes get off the toilet without crying out because of the pain. I was born here, my entire family were born here, and yet genuine people like me who really ARE unable to work don't get any help. I feel SO let down, i could just cry after reading this.
What a joke
There's is a huge difference between 'can' and 'will', however if it was even 10% of the scare number quoted, it's crystal clear the country can't afford it.
beggars belief.
make you laugh dont it,give millions to other countries now millions to those that have never payed into the system being able to claim thousands
The time to take to the streets has arrived.
How many people will have to lose their jobs to fund this? The real cost will be significantly higher than this, becuase they will get free NHS etc. "It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer". This statement is complete nonsense. We are the furthest away, yet the greater number come here, bypassing Germany and Austria on the journey. I am in complete despair and wonder why I bother working and paying taxes anymore. The bankruptcy of Britain moves a step closer, probably sealed when Cameron gets his wish for Turkey to join. I fear the 2010 election was our last chance for real change, I can't see a way back now.
When are we going to take our country back, from these morons. We need new leadership, the three main politicial parties are no longer fit for purpose. We also need to take to the streets.
This is yet another reason we want out of the EU. We no longer rule ourselves. Unelected idiots from Europe who are paid a fortune are telling us what to do. We need some form of revolution to get us out. The current lot of politicians will not do it because they are are weak as dishwater and to a man are all YES men
And so it continues...
Daily Mail immigration scare story -yawn, yawn ,yawn. Will Cameron have a referendum on EU membership -NO. He hasn't got the bottle.
Oh the DWP with make sure the system is not abused by the migrants, but they can't even stop the British people abusing the system.
UK is a joke
God help us. We are already bankrupt.
And would British migrants to these EU and non EU countries be able to claim the same amount on a recipricol basis? I DONT THINK SO, its just the same old story of the EU mugging the British taxpayers and our spineless politicians afraid to stand up for our rights, not that we have many left. Up to 100,000 migrants from the Soviet Block will be eligible for the payout demanded by the fraudalent EU, and the British Government is powerless to stop it, So whats the point of having these useless politicians that are overpaid and actually have the Gall to call themselves the British Government when its plain to see its the Cretins in the EU that tell them what to do and how to rob us, the British Government in my view are just the middlemen taking their cut and handing the rest of our money to European Fraudsters. PS Cameron you are losing a lot would be Tory voters to UKIP and the BNP and who can blame them.
We do need any foreigners here. Britain has no jobs, schools, housing and our NHS is at breaking point. the millionaire government is making more and more British people redundant. We must get out of EU, they make laws that are ripping off the British worker and taxpayer.
Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford.
"..............It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer."................But the big question is....Are the benefits as good and as easy to get there as they are here, (well for foreigners at least). Think my maths are right £250 each for 100,000 over twelve months is....£1250,000,000...1.25 billion pounds...not much when you say it fast. Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is.
It's about time we started reneging on our commitments - other countries do - no way should we sanction this latest edict from the European Union - come on UK Government - tell them to get stuffed
'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. The reality-- this is what will actually happen. Flood of claims, not enough trained staff to deal with the claims in the strict time limits allowed ; nor will there be any desire to pursue difficult cases including obvious fraud. In order to comply with targets all smaller claims will be automatically allowed. This will become common knowledge in the migrant community and multiple claims just below the automatic threshold will swamp the system.
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK
This is totally wrong. They should have to pay into our system for at least 2 years if not longer before getting any benefits. No wonder this country is being overrun by immigrants.
Get us out of this EU bureaucratic asylum NOW. We need some very urgent action
STOP IT NOW.
While we are at it, shouldn't we take in all the Arab refugees as well. Being a delveloped nation we need to set an example for the rest of the world to follow. There are some lovely mansions around that could do with having immigrants in them.
And the powers that be wonder why over 50% of the english people are in support of a far right party to curb/stop immigration. It won't be long before that figure is 80% and then we'll have trouble, mark my words.
And this is new news? There are enough people sponging off our handouts already, this isn't shocking news and doesn't come as a surprise. Joining the EU has been the most disastrous move ever made and allowing these types of benefits is a mockery to the taxpayer, the elderly and those who have devoted their lives to protecting and serving this country. Its disgusting. I have been made redundant recently, have been working continuously for 20 years and cannot claim any benefits at all. It makes me want to vomit.
No words casn actually put into context how fed up, disgusting and disgraceful this is to British tax payers. Also, there will be many more coming here than the estimates suggest... there always is. A life on benefits in the UK is paradise for many people from these countries. And also there will be mentally ill British claimants and other genuine claiments receiving benefits today in the UK that will be taken off them in the next couple of years to save money and they will be replaced by non genuine claiments from soviet block countries. We must get out of the EU now or basically it is the end of the UK.
Go to hell! Out of the EU now, and new govt ukip/bnp govt will do me fine thanks.
This is a criminal act of theft from the tax payers! Something must be done about this to save the economy and the livelihoods of British citizens.
Come to Britain ... free handouts, free handouts. Open out your hand so we can count out a pile of pound notes for you. Roll up .... roll up .... plenty of taxpayer's money going begging. You want more?! Of course you can have more .... just spout any old reason to justify it and you can have extra! What happens when you want to go home? Don't worry, we'll send you some there. Are you entitled? Of course you are: you've got an Insurance Number haven't you? Not interested in where or how you got it: main thing is you've got it so we can give you lots of money. What about the British taxpayer who've paid all their lives and having their benefits cut now? Nah, don't worry about them: they can pay for things themselves. Roll up .... roll up!
such a joke what exactly does EU membership do for us? Hardworking people in the Uk are being penalised whilst people from other countrys seem to get everything handed to them on a plate
Have we no 'medicine' for this type of sickness. ?
Meanwhile we wait for our referendum , I'm convinced that our parliament has no authority whatsoever and is ruled by the unelected elites within the EU, There is a employment crisis and more cuts are about to bite yet we still entertain this madcap policy imposed on us by the EU on unfettered immigration from within the borders of Europe, when will these idiots who are supposedly in charge here get a grip on reality and get us out of the EU before its too late.
What a shame we are "forced" to implement something that most of us don't want. Now we don't run our country anymore due to gutless politicians. I am sure I was promised a referendum once on Europe. Ah well, another lie.
this is outragous, when will a government in this country have the balls to say enough is enough, along with many in this country is it time for us to think about the way we vote.We just cannot aford to go on like this, it is simply suiecidal for the country that i love. .
If protecting the benefits system from abuse is their ' number one priority ', why do I know so many people openly abusing it ? Just within my own small community their are people working cash in hand , those claimimg to be living apart whilst still a couple, single mums deliberately getting pregnant once their youngest child turns 7 to avoid finding work, and those climimg DLA for ridiculously minor health problems that their children have. Even though these people have been reported , nothing ever gets done.
Better start printing some more money then. Makes you wonder why the people of the UK go to work just to see 30% of their income go in total waste to the EU and it's stupid policies.
How come having worked for fifty four years, having paid all my taxes, and then having to retire through ill health, I only get a little over one hundred pounds a week, and despite having very little money in the bank I don,t qualify for any benefits. It makes me sick.
How much longer do we have to put up with the tyranny that is the EU? African and Middle Eastern countries are taking to the streets to overthrow dictators and the EU is no less than that. Human rights? What about the British tax-payers rights? Really is time to tell the EU to stuff it and withdraw from this petty dictatorship.
This is so, so, wrong. We are being bled dry by countries who DON'T allow their own countrymen to CLAIM benefits. This country is a benefit free country for every scrounger from foreign countries. It has to stop, we HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY for them.
I think that the EU needs to make sure that France comply with this ruling, this country is overfull while there is plenty of room for them in France.
I do not think that any UK Government will evermanage to pay off the massive debt that is hanging ove out heads. The EU are not helping countries get over the reccession.They are just ploughing along doing things there on way. The whole EU system needs to be overhauled. or we shoiuld get out and then we can allow in this country whom we want and not be persistanly dictated to.
OUR COUNTRY ...IS A ..................JOKE! AN INSULT TO US BRITISH
Sooner, rather than later, this country is going to revolt over our continued membership of the EU and the ECHR. We want our sovereignty back and our RIGHT to self-determination! Sadly, the ECHR will never grant the latter, although it supposed to uphold human rights. Referendum now!
250 pounds a week !!!!! , Totally and utterly immoral, when you consider this is more than twice the amount our state pensioners get, and these European migrants have not paid a brass halfpenny into the pot. It gets worse and worse eh The sooner we get Nigel Farage and the UKIP in No ten the better,or come to that anybody , instead the main three, DON,T BOTTLE IT NEXT TIME FOLKS AT THE BALLOT BOX 11 otherwise it will go from bad to worse ,and worse and worse etc etc etc !!!!!!!!!!!
It is crass stupidity to pay job seekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit and all other subsidies to anyone who was not born and brought up in Great Britain. The sooner what was initially called the Common Market when I voted for it accepts this the better. This country has had the Great taken out of Great Britain by ill judgments of our own politicians in conjunction the greedy mind set in both Brussels and Strasbourg.
Powerless to stop this? Not so, we can tell the EU to shove it and the sooner the better. It is ludicrous we should have to pay benefits to *anyone* who hasn't contributed to this country. A whole new level of idiocy when we have to pay for foreigners' children (still living in another country) child benefits as well. A lunatic asylum is postively sane by comparison.
Would the last person to leave this dumping ground, please switch off the lights.
So what is the point of Parliament then? We are ruled by the EU as Great Britain is dead. It is now time to have an English Assembly because all the other countries in the Kingdom have one. OR maybe quit the EU!
A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits. 'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. Ha,ha,ha,ha. No we don't. This idiot should try reading about the daily fraud cases involving £millions of our taxes being given away because we do not have proper checks in place.
well no point changing now just continue screwing the british people
How I wish Mr. Cameron would stop trying to dance on the world stage and sort out the vast array of problems his own country has, most of them brought about by unfettered immigration. This is a SMALL island and has not benefitted from its membership of the EU; quite the opposite. How low have we to sink before the eyes of those in power are opened and they start tackling the blaze? The British have fought for their freedom down the centuries only to become their own executioners. How sad.......and how frightening. Out of EU now and CLOSE THE BORDERS.
I guess the new benefit reforms announced,which would save the government over £5bn,is going to be paid out in benfits to Eastern European migrants.Or to make it sound easier. All UK citizens on benefits will be having their benefits cut so that migrants can claim benefits.
Madness!!! I would like to be earning £250 a week.
YOU STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE ! Anybody that works and pays tax in the UK now must be mentally certifiable.
This can't be allowed to happen, this government must stand up to Europe and refuse to accept their decision to allow immigrants from Eastern Bloc countries to claim benefits, rebates or housing. As a matter of fact this government needs to return these people to their own countries and let them be kept there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. CAMERON YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND NOW IT WILL COST US DEARLY YOU STUPID MORON WHEN WILL YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT WE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WANT OUT OF THE EU. WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM NOW>
THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO MAKE CUTS MR..CAMERON. NOT YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Disgusted. Cameron do something and get us out of the EU now.
what's the point in limiting the non EU migration as they can't do anything about the EU migration. It just a political game the goverment play saying they would restrict the non EU migrant but to be honest it wont make much of the difference on net migration. More people are coming in the UK (mainly from non EU) than going out.
the time to leave the EU is long past. great britain will disappear forever if we stay in. i am sick of being dictated to by a useless bunch of redundant EU beaurocrats, who have achieved absolutely nothing of any worth.
If we are to follow these stupid EU rules, then we must stop paying the membership fees as well. Tell Brussels that to use their rules we MUST stop paying them any money. After all who would still pay into a company that has not published accredited accounts for thirteen years or so.
They WONT get a penny if they come to Spain ,Spanish have to pay into the system before you get any back and i believe its some years before any payments ??.ONLY IN THE UK DO WE GIVE OUR MONEY AWAY.
The best way to protect the system from any abuse is not to let them in in the first place! Cam-moron-gives us our promised EU referendum NOW!
"In a move that could cost the British taxpayer tens of millions of pounds, migrants from the Soviet bloc will be allowed jobseeker's allowance, council tax benefit and housing benefit ". ----No wonder they are queuing up in Calais and other ports along the English Channel to get into the UK. And, that is just the illegals. We are the softest touch in the whole of the western world for immigrants and the funding of them be they legal or illegal. The immigrant now takes precedence above a UK born citizen it would seem. It appears the Coalition are as bad a Labour were in their Border Control efficiency. It is non existant.
Are you freaking kidding or what ??? . There are pensioners out there who went through the second world war to defend this country get half, if not less than that, some cant even afford heating or a real meal, if this stupid,out of focus, clueless EU wants us to pay these imigrants £250 a week, they better foot the bills, I really cant help thinking why the BNP and UKIP may be an option next time round. -- We need to get out of the EU, seriously, if we dont, the real british people may one day start a revolution, theres a limit to how far one can push, and that limit is getting mighty close from what I can see.
For God's sake, get us out of the EU now! We must refuse to comply. I fo one will be voting for either UKIP or BNP at the next electipons, as the only parties who will do something about this situation.
Make's you proud to be British? as a pensioner working here for 50yrs,i dont get that much i just wish like all our other immigrates i had another country to go to ,,, for free hand out's.
I have worked 43 years to get £100 a week state pension (taxed as I have an even smaller pension from my job). Funny old world. I suppose the tax I pay goes to these people.
How can Eastern Europeans who have paid NO NI contributions or tax get benefits in the UK, when I who have paid in for over 35 years am denied any JSA because I have not paid any NI in the last 2 years ( the previous 35 years deemed irrelivent by the benefits agency) ??.
It's disgusting---this is more than pensioners get (who have paid in all their lives) just one more reason to pull out of the EU. If we have got to pay them, it shouldn't be any more than they get in their own country.
What is the point of the EU exactly? Is it just a big social experiment sanctioned by a very powerful faceless group of people? One wonders.... because when decisions are made against the grain of common sense, there must be a hidden agenda that is appeasing a small minority but destroying the majority.
Another plus for Labour. Wait for the excuses. Or are we going to get another 'Sorry, we did not think' . All the time they are laughing behind their hands, they did the social engineering they wanted to do and have now left some one else to pick up the pieces. The great irony is, the new government will make themselves so unpopular trying to get us back on the right track, Labour may well get voted in the next time around. Remember last time, they took over a good economy, stuck with the policies for a while, then went all stupid and got us in our present mess.
GET US OUT OF THE E.U NOW,WE CAN NOT AFFORD THIS
Out! Now!
Why? Why? and Why? It's time to stop this sort of madness. What will we do when earned income in the UK is surpased by the amount of benefits handed out?
One day the people of this country will get a true democratic government that will allow us to decide the future of the UK. Yes, we have the vote but, once in power, our demands are ignored by the our MPs because so many of them have there fingers in the pies of companies who want cheap labour to keep themselves in splendour. They don't care one iota about us serfs who are struggling to cope.
No wonder this country is a mess. Will the last british born person to leave, please turn off the lights and leave a note for the milkman...
This is stupid, when we havent got enough money to run our own country and look after our own people. This must STOP now. We are full up and at bursting point.
GET OUT, WE MUST GET OUT OF THE EU NOW. We will become the next third world country if we do not. We cannot afford to be in the EU and to preserve our own traditions, cultures and economics WE HAVE TO GET OUT of the EU ..................................TODAY
We need to follow in the same vein as the uprising arab nations. And say NO, we want rid of this hideous dictator and want control of our own liveand borders. We constantly have the hideous dictator Brussels and his equally hideous 2nd in command, the human rights act, telling us what to do. It's time to revolt against them. Then maybe we can have a return to a multiracial society with a monoculture..British.
In the last war we fought for values like freedom of speach, democracy and an english mans home is his castle. WELL EUROPE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE!
So they will have to be living and to have worked here before they qualify for benefits based on thei tax & NI payments. What's the big deal?
NO NO NO! This must be stopped. If the EU wants such people to get benefits they should fund it themselves.
What a way to discourage people coming to Britain. What an absolute insult to every taxpayer in the country. Whilst every household in the country is being screwed by every government agency, from local government to state, yet there seems to be this bottomless pit of money for those who have not paid into the system and all under the banner of the European Union. What about families who are struggling, what about pensioners, what about the British soliders who risk life and limb with sub-standard equipment, what about the hospitals that are in desperate need of money and schools. It is an absolute outrage. This will only encourage more of them to take the hop, skip and jump over to Britain and the very generous benefits system. It is way overdue for Britain to pull out of the European Union and use that 1 million pounds per hour that gets sent across the Channel for British purposes.
so who is going to pay for their pension and their kids upbringing and schooling etc. soon there will not be any money in the pot because no one will be contributing due to the fact the country will be top heavy with people receiving handouts. then the ghettos start and then the basic infrastructure roads sewerage etc will fail.take a look at the countries where they live and that is what the uk will look like in the not to distant future.
We are witnessing the systematic rape and plundering of our country aided and abetted by our own unscrupulous politicians. By the time it dawns on Lib/Lab?con voters it will be too late.
Yet another reason to leave the EU.
More social engineering by Labour. Blair had the chance to put a cap on it but chose to let in unlimited people to claim benefits and put a strain on the NHS, housing and our schools. Labour have DESTROYED this country and the poorest will suffer the most. Blair and Brown should be ashamed.
No one who has not contributed should receive benefits.
can I please apply to become Eastern European at least that way I will be able to afford to live in this cess pit of a country, instead of working and loosing 20% of my wages to tax each week for this lot.,, another reason to vote B N P
Another benefit of being in the eu. We pay in millions that disappear into the corrupt eu coffers now we have to hand out money to people who come to take our jobs and houses. These same people over load our public services. The argument is going to be they work harder then the Brits. Some of them do some of them come here purely because they get good hand outs and can squat in peoples homes without fear of being throw out. Other come and commit crimes and overload the criminal justice system and jails. Lets get out of the eu sooner than later, however I feel that later has already come and we are going to be stuck in the quagmire of eu corruption for ever.
We need to help the citizens of our own country. Giving this much money to all the scroungers and layabouts of Europe will encourage mass migration into this country. Time our government stood up for its own citizens, and let other countries worry about theirs.
Times are getting very hard here in the UK. Do those nice people at the EU not realise that it is getting very difficult to make ends meet and that we cannot really afford to give money to these poor people from abroad. I think I might have to write a letter to that nice Mr. Cameron in case he doesn't know how bad things are. I mean, if nobody tells him, how will he know. I suppose his friend, that other nice man, Mr. Osborne, he might have mentioned something to him. I think I will write to him just in case. Bye, bye.
We need to get out of the EU. Why has no one done anything? it costs £60 BILLION a year just to be a member, they now control our laws and 'himan rights' and now will bankrupt us with this mess. Egypt didn't like their government, we don't like ours - how long before we repeat their actions. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough we can't afford this.
We need to take to the streets and demand democracy from the European dictatorship. It worked in Egypt.
Have British politicians become so gutless they won't stand up to the EU? Try claiming benefits in France, Germany or Holland without having a job or residency status. You can't. I know as I've worked there. No wonder 3.5 million immigrants have come to the UK. Free and easy welfare. The benefits bill will rise and public services squeezed again. Utter madness.
Just goes to prove we do not need MP's, we are completely run by Brussels.
Full benefits worth £250-a-week each for up to 100,000 Eastern European migrants Says it all really what have we become a country fit for what?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals. If The British People do not protest, and make a stand very soon, they will be a Minority in their own land.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to.
Change the rules so you cnnot claim benefit unless you have paid UK income tax for a year and that you have to have a british address to be mailed to and have to come and collect your benefit in person from say a post office UK only account so the money cannot go abroad.
Just say NO, we will not do it, what will they do expel us from the E.U........we are not that lucky! if they have no work in Britain why are they here!! send them home and make it compulsory, the French did it with the Roma gypsies and it did not do them any harm, few weeks of moaning and pretend outrage by other E.U members and now it's forgotten.
WHY DONT WE JUST SEND OUR WAGES TO THE EU?
Habitual Residence Test my ass, our friends in the EU will find a way round this that. How much longer will the British Public tolerate Brussels Farce.
will the EU help fund these.... you can bet they won't! In the mean time the indigenous Brit will be frozen out from claiming the slightest of benefits due to the cuts. Time to close the doors and leave Europe.
Immigration minister Damian Green pointed out that at the same time that the scheme ended in the UK, countries including Germany and Austria would open their labour markets to workers from their eastern neighbours. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How much longer must we wait until these fools get a grip on immigration? geographic location has nothing to do with it, it's all about benefits which our governments repeatedly bend over backwards to give to these people at our expense, that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are enough workshy British scroungers here as it is that we're forced to support, close the borders NOW!
Come on England when are we going to wise up. If it's not the Scottish or the Welsh taking the mickey it's the Europeans. Pay in and you can take out, if it's charity you need, use the channels set up for that, but the constant drip drip of cash leaving the economy is ridiculous.
Is this true, or just anothe DM fantasy story ?
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. Foreign workers who come here to work and pay UK taxes to support OUR unemployed should also be able to get benefits. Its fair, its no different to the way our countries treat foreign workers and basically if you pay in . . . why shouldn't you be able to take out if you need to. I sure as hell wouldn't pay taxes into a system if it wasn't going to support me if I needed it!
Yet we are having cuts imposed on us at all levels....the NHS needs more money,.our military has had vast swathes scythed through it, our care of the elderly is in crisis.... when will the idiots of all persuasions who govern us have the balls to say no more room in the UK and start to take care of our own back yard!
do you know what i would pull out of europe now they are just a pain in the a** we should have never joined in the first place edward heath as a lot to answer for, i will never be a european as long as i live i am a Brit though and through this is an island race and we will always be should never have buildt the tunnel eirther, and i think you will find a lot of people think the same.
This has got to be the end of liveable wages for the ordinary working Briton.
this is not bloody fair we dont even get that with a state pension yet we have worked all our lives get out the EU and how dare the EU legislate against the English it isnt on. why do we have to beg for pensions to go up yet u r letting immigrants take our tax payers monies surely there is a loop hole some where
'and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Load of rubbish, all they have to do is refuse. I can't see them refusing though, they love their lords and masters too much. They don't give a damn about the British people, but any Foreigner who comes here they'll move the earth for. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A GOVENMENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE? OUT OF THE PATHETIC EU NOW!
Why?
I truly despair..
I rejust don't understand? I have had my life turned upside down, been kicked, disregarded, and thrown in the rubbish bin by employers because I am now 51 - facing discrimination by employers who consider you too old & too expensive. I have worked since 17 for over 33 years' solidly. Paid all my taxes & NI. And do you know what I can receive in Jobseeker Benefits. Not one penny!! I have been unemployed on and off for 3 years now, my family is suffering, my marriage is all but over, and despite my protestations to DWP, PM, Iain Duncan-Smith and Sir George Young, I have been told continually. "Rule are Rules" & "Sorry". This is about the final insult left. Let all and any immigrants in near vicinity in and pay them a ridiculous amount of money to do nothing... they will quickly wangle the system and amazingly the country will be in more debt. Surely to goodness, you look after your citizens above all others. Europe has gone crazy and good UK families suffer! Good grief!
Referendum on leaving EEC asap
This is stupid - in France you have to have lived and worked and paid in for 5 years to have the same rights as a French citizen (that is benefits). I think if the UK gives benefits to EU workers who are freshly arrived it will be the only country that does!
Yet another reason why we need to get out of the EU now, we have a choice with everything just no government with any backbone!
i think i might sell my house,.spend the money and find a nice squat.,it will be much cheaper,.i have pen paper and a drawing pin to pin a notice ,when i find a suitable place.,
Im lost for words now i really am. Anymore liberal fools who still want to justify the economic benefits of EU migration may need to read this. Oh and also, i think people should take a look at the tax laws regarding migration which says if you work in the UK for less than 6 months you are entitled to a full tax rebate. Guess what most migrants do?
MR CAMERON YOU ARE USELESS
Just a thought ... what happens if these squatters accidentally burn the place down .. who would be liable ? Stick that in your European Human Rights pipe ... squatters are a nuisence ..
Sign the government e-petition to make squatting illigal.
our country is out of control, thease people no they can come here and get away it, i expect they will be given houses soon etc, all on the expence of our hard working tax payers.
Cameron promised legislation to ban squatting. The Government has not done so. He also promised to ban wheel clamping. Ditto! He said immigration would be severely reduced. It has not been. We were going to ban no- win- no- fee parasitic law firms- we have not. We were going to rationalize the Human Righta Act so we could throw out illegals and foreign criminals- we have not done that, either. Come on Cameron- you can blame the world for the economy- you have to blame your goverment for the above failures!
It's for the title holder of the property to start any eviction proceedings as the law requires - if they so choose - and assuming there are no specific related anti-social issues not the business of anyone else.
Got to be the most insane country on the planet.
It is time positive action was taken by both CAMERON and the legal system to remove these parasites from the properties in which they are squatting, these people have no regard for the buildings and turn them into slums and our country into the cesspit of the world thanks to BLAIR and STRAW and their multicultural society, again CAMERON another problem can be solved by leaving the EU, we can send all these squatters back to their own country. It is so blatantly obvious that the EU has created the majority of the problems that engulf our country.
Kick them out of our homes. These people have no business being there
And another nail in the police farce coffin. This scum can sue the owner but the owner is unable to get into their property? The law is not on the law abiding's side.
This problem strikes right at the heart of what Cameron and his cronies have failed to realise with the European immigrants coming here and taking our jobs.Their statement said they couldn't afford the rents in London, well hello that's why millions commute every day, figures show many who come here want to live and work in London. Then they see just what working at a burger bar or cleaning cars will get them and it's not what they dreamed of at all. But to move into empty property should be illegal and they should be deported if caught. The crap around whether they broke in or not is not an issue, even if like the young burglar the other day, and said the window was open, They are still getting in there without consent and causing damage which is trespass. The police should go immediately they get a complaint and evict squatters that day. If they are vagrants or students without money send them home, If they have a criminal record send them home. We can't just allow this to go on.
Lets all go to their countries and squat there. See how they like that!
Squatting should be illegal. END OF.
What the hell is wrong with you people? All in arms because a FIVE MILLION POUND PROPERTY was EMPTY for TWO YEARS then squatted. Note the words in capitals, for surely therein lies the problem. We live in a world where a house can cost so much, where it can lie empty for two years, when there are hell knows how many thousands of people on housing waiting lists with a snowball's chance in hell of even getting a semi-decent property. Instead you all slavishly follow the party line of demonising those who actually take a stand against this decadence and injustice. Sorry if it sounds a tad socialist, but surely a society worth its salt would do its upmost to ensure that we provide all of its members with the fundamental right of shelter? No, instead we idolise those who produce nothing for society and keep our mouths shut as the wealth divide turns into a chasm with no chance of it being crossed. Shame on you all for being so selifh and materialistic. No wonder we're.....
At least they weren't from Dale Farm..
Better to see it lived in that to go to ruin.
the reason the law cannot stop this is E nglsh Common law which goes back to feudal times - very hard to change as it has 100's of years of precedent
why should they go back home when they are allowed to squat. They are breaking no LAWS. untill you change the law (and who is a stupid DM reader to change any law) then they are perfectly entitled to do what they are doing. THIS IS A NON STORY. SORRY.
after being away for a week on business my daughter came back to UK to find her flat was occupied by squatters,she called the police but they didnt want to know even though the squatters had been carrying on criminal activity from the flat ,stolen phones etc..and had left behind what appeared to be bomb making equipment. I have put in an official complaint on the Met Police website which they have failed to respond to after 8 weeks. I GREW UP IN THE 50'S/60'S WITH BOTH RESPECT AND FEAR FOR THE POLICE, TODAY THEY COMMAND NEITHER
Don't generally agree with squatting, but I agree less with rents so extortionate that much of London is exclusive only to the richest celebrities. - Anon, Here, Now. Yes only the wealthy and the economic inactive.
Come on Mr Cameron make trespass a crminal offence to end once and for all squating and illegal camping.
Just shows, these poor squatters don't get a chance to choose their neighbours.
I think people should read Shelter's view on squatting, not paying rent, etc.
I grew up in London and can't afford the rents, but that doesn't give me the right to squat in somebody else's house. The rents are much lower in the South of France, Spain, and other places in the sunny south, but try squatting down there and see what they do to you!
long live the EU!!!!! this is what we get belonging to that cesspit but then the EU lover boy cameron does not mind as long as we pay for it and not him
Where the hell is that law that was promised to make squatting illegal?
Please read...This flattens any argument to suggest immigration and cheap labour is good for our economy. The fact is many immigrants live in shared housing, whether thats an annex, a single dwelling, someone's converted shed or in this case squatting. My point is this, they do not pay council tax or other living our own people face, therefore they do NOT represent the true cost of living and can afford to work for less, lowering wage levels and making them unrealistic to our own people that would have to pay their full taxes. Is it any real wonder why these jobs are so unappealing to many uk citizans when all they'd be doing is working to pay taxes to support even more immigrants that continue to flock here to take advantage of our week governments and their flippant attitude towards immigration and the effect on our society as a whole. Oh yeah, they're great for the economy!
The law is an ass! Is there a judge in the country who has the sense to stop this from happening it is beyond a joke now! We have far too many free loaders in this country if our politicians were more interested in the good of the country not their bottomless pockets we would have stopped this years ago, if the money isn't taken out of politics in all respects then we won't have justice or a civilised society soon as everyone seems to be out for their own interests and allowing others who shouldn't be here to abuse the system!
Let's not impose on their human rights.
All part of the scheme to reduce us to a Third World hell-hole no doubt.
If everyone started breaking into someone else's property because they couldn't afford to live where they wanted, we would have anachy. Time for this to be treated as a criminal offence and for the police to be able to act immediately. We won't be able to go to the shops soon without someone breaking in and taking up residence and it costs more than most people have to get them out again .
Every is moaning about this and rightly so, But the majority commenting on here no doubt voted for the party's have allowed these situations to exist.......You get what you pay for, So to speak.
Good luck to them.It's a disgrace this property has been empty for two years.
I'm not sure I understand the connection between the fact that a property has squatters and their nationality. Nor indeed the fact that they - the "eastern Europeans" - reside within a certain proximity to a couple of public figures. Is there no 'news' you could be reporting on today?
There you go again, DM, using the word 'exclusive' when you mean 'expensive'. I do wish you'd stop doing that! The ones I'd like to get my hands on are the ones who that disgusting modern box beside a fine Victorian house - and the Planners who permitted it!
The reason we can't do anything is because of their human rights. Lawyers will be queuing up to take on the case. It doesn't matter how many law abiding citizens are hurt by these freeloading bums, they will not be protected. The sooner we scrap or change the bill the better.
If they can't afford the rents, then GO BACK HOME.
My friend is a single mum and she was waiting for a very long time to get a council flat........... If that sentence does not spell out to the populace just how these people see things I do not know what will? ......SO having NEVER paid into our system they think it justifiable that they can put their names down for housing in OUR country. No doubt we have already paid her maternity bills and have yet another (anchor) child to support. No one should be entitled to social housing here unless they have 3 generations of history here. That alone would go a long way in stopping incomers like these. As any help in housing costs should be assessed with the same criteria. These people are freeloaders and they should be removed from this country. ALL OF THEM EVERYWHERE should be forcibly if necessary removed. The sooner we get some backbone the sooner these problems will start to be resolved. Vote wisely if you hope for any future for our own in this country.
I can't believe those ungrateful squaters have the law on their side?! Who ever thought this could happen..in USA it's called breaking and entering and those Slags would be jailed ..then they would have a place to stay..behind bars..just bec somthing is empty doesn't give anyone the right to go in and occupy it!!! It belongs to someone!!! This just isn't right! And the attitude of these people is disgusting...gimme, gimme, gimme!!! Who can afford rent. In my home we both work to PAY the high rent!! May e they should try working..but that's not the way of these forgein freeloaders! Vile, horrible, disrespectful, scumbags!!
If these squatters have no permanent address are they working? If not they should be thrown out of the country if they are how are they registered for National Insurance Tax etc etc without a permanent address?
Don't generally agree with squatting, but I agree less with rents so extortionate that much of London is exclusive only to the richest celebrities... I'd say this is the lesser of two evils...
I have just finished a u-Gov survey. One of the questions: How do you rate Camerons leadership? Guess how I rated him?
Why do we put up with these immigrants ?
Her friend had been waiting for a council house for a long time. So what. Why is she considered for a council house in the first place. Because she has a child. More fool her. Bet she had it on the National Health and is drawing our benefits. I am struggling on a pension and I have lived here all my life paying taxes. These people should be sent back home. Damn what the EU says. Squatting should be made a criminal offence so that the police can remove them immediately. Bet there won't be much of the interior of this house left after they leave.
But I thought squatting had recently been made illegal ?
This squaters Law requires to be abolished ASAP I suppose that once they are evicted they get a council house???
Why do immigrants always think the only place to live is London? Try living somewhere cheaper or go back to your own country.
If that dilapidated looking place is worth £5,000,000 then my rather modest home with Seaviews to the front and Mountain views to the rear must be worth at least £20,000,000. Notwithstanding that why don't they just get on with changing the laws and like Scotland make it a criminal offence? Ah yes too simple and no doubt the human rights brigade would enter the fray.
I think we all should squat at those big guys law maker who thinks squatters has more rights than homeowner. Let them taste their own medicine !
I thought a law had been passed making it a criminal offence to squat in residential premises.
Good for them. If our spineless politicians fear they may upset the looney Left by installing common sense into our society, we should not be surprised when people assume the right to become professional parasites.
If they say they can't afford the rents in London, then GO BACK HOME. I hope they are not claiming benefits, because if the are, I and everyone else want some.
Why are they here if they have no jobs and can't afford rents?? Oh yeah it's UK !!
what about the law of 'breaking and entering'?i dont understand why they cant be evicted its not their home
Why are we still abiding by these archaic rules? We are in the 21st century not 18th! The Law NEEDS to change!!!!!!! If these freeloaders can't afford rent, then move somewhere else, like a different country?!!
I can't afford rents in the capital either, and I was brought up a mile from that property. But I have never gone squatting, I simply live where I can afford. 'It's ok as long as you don't hurt anyones feelings'.... my response to that is unprintable.
They do it because they can, because the law allows them to.... its a bit like them coming here for nothing in the first place and getting everything for nothing.... you would have to be daft not to. Until the law changes we will always be the laugh of the world.... from benefit scroungers and the rest of the really nice people that turn up on our shores either because they can or hitch a ride on a truck from France or a ferry. Those allowed to come here should have a job waiting for them and accommodation paid for like the rest of us.... it beggars belief that you can have your home or property overrun today in modern Britain by leeches and for them to be protected. It doesn't happen in Scotland, its a criminal offence there. Blame the government.
Good....it's about time the mega wealthy had a taste of the effects of silly legislation, mass immigration and open borders. It is these people have made the most profit from more importing more consumers and cheap labour. When a few gated communities are taken over by sqatters, perhaps we might see the received wisdom of our lords, ladies and masters take a reality check. Worse is better.
If they can't afford rents in London it's more than likely that they are probably not working. Why don't they go back to their places of origin?
What can you do no ones fault but the law in this amazing democracy. Who actually voted for this? And if the majority of people don't want it what is it law?? If this was one of the countries that all you dm lot put down these squatters wouldn't last 30 seconds and them or any of their friends would never squat again!
Anybody thought about cutting off their power or water or is that deemed cruel and unusual punishment in the UK these days?
The squatters have probably done about just as much work in their lives as their neighbours who've undoubtedly inherited their millions!
If you can't afford to live in London then please stay in your own country. I wonder how other countries would react if British subjects just simply moved into, their, empty properties. I am really tired of the pathetic, overly politically correct laws that allow people, in Britain, to abuse the system for their own gain. Perhaps we should all start squatting in our desired address then perhaps the government would address the problem more seriously.
Why aren't squatters charged with break and enter, or trespassing? Your laws are goofy!
Surely the house was locked up, so they must have broken in? That is called breaking & entering, which is against the law. Police, do your job. Get them out NOW
I'll pack my bag then shall I ??? what a disgraceful situation -if you can't afford to live in the capital then move out of it or find rent in an affordable part of the city - not squatt in one of the most upmarket areas. These people are having a laugh at everyone's expense.
I observed two very improtant things regarding the story: 1. Please, be more precisious defining the Eastern Europeans. Do you know how many East European nations do exists You generalized the squatters pointing out fingers in all Eastern Europeans ! 2. EU should have thought better about consequences after joining some of ex-communist countries in its block. The way of living in poor countries in combination with extremly liberal immigrants law in UK give a great space for manipulation to certain groups of immigrants that simply do not want to live according to civilized law given that they lived under non-civilized conditions....
How does this not differ from me breaking into someones house while they are at work and just squat there; these flats/houses belong to people who have paid alot of money for it. It should be a criminal offence and if the Government had any backbone they would have done something already about this.
"A 24-year-old Polish occupant of the property claimed she had been forced to squat in the house after being unable to afford rents in the capital" - Might I suggest that she and her squatter friends return to Poland, where I am sure the rent will be much more affordable?
Quite obviously the benefits are just not high enough, what has UK become the dumping ground for all the scum of Europe. Well done Blair/Brown, as for Dave get of your butt and save a once great country and to hell with Cleggs blackmail.
The property owner is a disgrace if this is known and allowed. Many working people can't afford their rents but are paying into society. This is sponging in every sense - how do you think they are feeding and clothing themselves??
What this message is saying...Why bother buying when you can squat anywhere
Was surprised to read in Wikipedia, that the UK has a centuries old tradition of "legalised squatting." Very sticky subject.......a restructuring or overturning of the law will prove to be difficult.
cant see much problem with the approach they have made and the house has been empty a long time. not like the Romanian bunch who took over an occupied house.
How on earth can such an ugly house be worth anything like £5 million ? No charm, no privacy. It used to be an old block of council flats and that's exactly what it looks like still.
So go home then you bunch of vile freeloaders!
The Law needs to change.
It's unbelievable what people have to put up with in this country, it is time the law was on the side of ordinary people and not ridiculous minorities with their 'rights' such as squatters and travellers.
5 million for that?!Looks a right dump
What a cesspit the country has become. I despair at our laws they always seem to protect criminal and anyone else who wants to take take take but have put nothing into this country.
............If a car was left unlocked with the keys in the ignition and I helped myself to it, I would be arrested for theft and the car would be returned to its rightful owner immediately. Yet if it a house was left 'unlocked' and I helped myself....it wouldnt be theft ?....And, as a squatter, the law would protect my rights...Crazy or what?
away from the story a bit, but it always amazes me at what money can't buy in london. fine looking house from the outside, but 5 million lol. in the very nice area of west yorkshire i am from 5 million can buy you a huge mansion with large woodland grounds. london for suckers. saying that because whenever there somethign about the north some londoner insults us.
If they camped in number 10 it would be a different matter, the law on common displaced residential occupiers would soon be changed.... The government don't care and think we all have thousands of pounds to throw at civil claims.... Pathetic country...
Why the he'll don't these people just go back to their home countries if life is so hard here? Life is hard for everyone these days without these parasites taking the micheal!!!
It absolutely boggles the mind. No money for rent so just take over someone's house. What's next? No money for a car so just take someone's car? As I have said before, if you were in Texas and you went in my house I could shoot you. No questions asked. It would seem breaking and entering laws would apply but then we have been over and over that and still the laws have not been changed.
Can't afford the rents - go home
Why do all squatters have to be so untidy? It's bad enough that they're there but they make so much MESS!
What happened to the laws that were going to be introduced to make squatting illegal? Another Cameron U-turn?
Squatting, i.e. occupying a property against the owners permission is wrong in every way and for squatters to suggest it is ok because they cant afford London rents is just making up the law to suit themselves. As the police seem impotent in these cases then the politicians need to act with legislation before some serious incidents take place.
1. If you can't afford to live over here, go home. 2. It's NOBODYS God given right to get a council property. Nice to know this 'single mum' who is no doubt Eastern European too, allows their child to live in squalor just so they can be prioritised. 3. Everyone else manages to afford to rent........TRY GETTING A JOB!!! This article shows everything that is wrong with this country. Abolish squatters rights, I can't believe they can commandeer someone elses house then threaten the owner with legal action. Stop letting these people in and giving them priority unless they can prove they can support themselves.
Here's an idea, if it's too expensive, go back to Poland!!!
Times must be hard if even eastern Europeans have to wait for a flat! Thought they were entitled to queue jump!
No doubt they will claim, and be paid, housing benefit, plus whatever else the local council will throw at them.
Outrageous.
So you can't afford to live in the capital. How about living somewhere else? Or is that for Little People?
A 24-year-old Polish occupant of the property claimed she had been forced to squat in the house after being unable to afford rents in the capital. Then don't come in to the UK to live if you can't afford it!! go back to your own country!!
They weren't forced to squat - if they can't afford London rents then they should move elsewhere or return to their own country.
It's ironic that this squat is taking place in Glenda Jackson's constituency, full of right-on Guardian-reading types. We should have more squatters in this area to rub the smarmy bien-pensants' noses in it !
'My friend is a single mum and she was waiting for a very long time to get a council flat.' Classic. I wonder how long I'd have to wait for a council flat in Poland? Oh yeah, eternity. If you can't afford the rent don't come here.
As an expat, seeing what has happened to Britain since I left, I have long since stopped reacting with anger to these stories but I keep reading the online papers due to a horrified fascination to the demise of the My decision to leave has worked out well, especially for my kids, and these types of stories remind me that the country I knew no longer exists. Life in Canada is great - most of the good of Britain is here, and very little of the cancer that killed Britain has taken hold as yet. I pray the Canadians can have more success in fighting this off than we did.
Not only have they not been deported but they are living rough, weve got foreigners living rough in this country!; labour has let this country go to the wall, come election day I know who im NOT voting for, and anyway isnt killing swans a criminal offence? Why are these people not behind bars, or not sent back to their own countries??? I feel sorry for the people of natives Peterborough, watch this space though, there coming to a town near you, to rape and pilage that too while the authorities sit back and shuffle their papers feeling all self important reciving bloated wages while doing nothing.....1 way ticket to mars please....
A lot of these people who perpetrate this crime would love to go to jail - if they are sleeping rough, then a warm bed and 3 squares, is a good thing. Seriously though, killing Swans and fishing in illegal methods should carry a prison sentence - in their own country, we catch 'em, we send 'em back why should we put them in our jails -they have perfectly good ones there!
Anybody, who even contemplates voting for ANY of the Main Parties, particularly Labour, needs sectioning. This Country is sleep walking into a Fascist State where the only ones with privileges will be the ruling classes and they will do what they want, irrespective of the damage they cause. A nightmare scenario!!
I'm sick of these illegal and unskilled European workers who come here for a free ride. It's all well and good if the immigrant has a job lined up and comes here ready to step into a job which Britain benefits from and the person will readily accept our culture - I have no problem with that at all. I wouldn't be able to emigrate to the US or Australia without having a skill they needed and I would expect to be deported if I went there to beg and poach! Where I live (on a busy street in Glasgow city centre) there are 4-5 Big Issue sellers who are clearly Eastern European and appear to be all from the same family. I thought the Big Issue was there to support OUR native homeless, not refugees!! It's disgraceful. They barely even speak English! How dare they assume they can come here just to beg on the streets! How did they get here in the first place if they had no job lined up? It's time for Britain to toughen up with immigration instead of us being made a laughing stock.
The more stories like this that we read, the more we yearn for sensible politicians like Peter Davies, The Mayor of Doncaster!
This story is clearly the result of our wonderful Free Market Economy which ensures that we pay rock bottom prices for our vegetables and processed meat by employing people on exceptionally low wages, the workers of which are predominately migrants.This demographic presently make up what is being described as the New Underclass, as they have little or no access to social benefits.Hence, their poverty will reduce them to resort to whatever survival skills they have at their disposal in order to get by.
What a SURPRISE!! The swans in and around North London particularly in Enfield have been slaughtered and eaten by the Eastern European immigrant population. But nohting has been done about it. The swans I believe belong to the Queen so are actually stealing from our Queen. But they don't care they do exactly as they please.
These people should never have been allowed into the UK and should be deported immediately. - Kate, Key West, Florida, 23/3/2010 15:24 What a ridiculous statement! Yes people who break the law should receive an appropriate punishment but deportation is a little harsh! Many migrants work legally in our country and have helped many businesses to remain in business and have contributed to our society. I am sighing while I write this as I know it will be lost on many DM readers who are frothing at the mouth, enjoying the latest migrant bashing peice of 'journalism'. Cue red arrows.
Here in Peterborough we have had migrants living by the river for some years. with all this food drifting by one cannot be surprised when they take advantage, we cant possibly talk of punishment because we must not.... So, it will go on until the council house and feed them, further ratcheting up house prices for young indigenous couples, how do we let this happen...
Why are these vile people in our country flouting our laws and destroying our wildlife?
I put humans before fish (and sport). - Lucien, Bristol, 23/3/2010 16:18 Do the red arrows next to this comment mean that 2000 mail readers but fish and sport before humans?
People go on strike for this that and the other so why are we, the people, not on strike as a country to protect ourselves? If the 'man in the street' does not act soon no one else will because there are too many people making too much money 'at the top' to be bothered. I don't just mean politicians and big business but the traffickers at the top of their lucrative 'trade'. I am sure there must be someone out there with enough clout to start a legal 'strike' and am sure a lot of people wold follow.
'It is possible that (Polish) people don't know the law. Polish migrants should learn to speak English and the laws of the land should be upheld...the next thing will be bank robbery and theft on the increase, but then when it gets to Court it will be O.K. because they don't know the law! If the Council are that concerned then give them money and a house, let them jump the housing queue. Then they can fish and kill swans without leaving the evidence.......sorted!
Hmmm. So five Polish men get caught fishing without a licence and this is used to prove that immigrants are systematically clubbing swans to death and destroying all the fish stocks in Peterborough? Any figures for the number of Brits caught poaching last week?
They know what they are doing ! That is why they do it at night and in a covert way. They are just avoiding getting caught, putting up signs is like threarening them with a feather duster !
the people are hungry. what are they do do? they need to eat. easy to pass judgement on a full belly.
This sort of thing has happened in Bedford for ages. All the anglers know so why are the Enviro Agency not doing anything on the issue?
I knew someone who fished the private carp ponds in the area who said it was a massive problem. Prized, highly expensive carp suddenly started to disappear. Carp is a delicacy in Eastern Europe. If you bring in cheap labour to a high cost country what do you expect?
Why does daily mail pick on us, Poles? I know there is a lot of us, but we are not a serious threat to your country, we're just here to work for your country so its economy would grow, and yes we pay taxes and DON'T take any benefits instead.
This is what happens when you pay people below what the locals are paid. To live in the UK you need UK wages to pay less then you have trouble as these people have to live.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse -- that is a principle laid down very firmly in this country. The courts must jail all those caught destroying our wildlife and then kick them out.
As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined. - Mrs S, London, 23/3/2010 16:01 How are people living rough going to pay these fines? Anyone who cannot support themselves financially, domestically and linguistically should not have the right to stay here sponging and stealing from a country they have never contributed to in the smallest way. Immigrants can and do make a success of life here but the ones who are incapable or unmotivated to do that have no place in our society.
What's the problem? Is it better people starve or they get a dirty fish out of a mucky canal?!
'Some don't even know the laws of their own country'. So now OUR country is infested with hundreds of thousands of potential criminals who devastate our wildlife, invade our homes and flout every law in the book. Now what could be the solution, I wonder? Oh, yes, I know - more benefits, more tolerance, more understanding, more education, more healthcare, more everything. What a country! Thanks, Labour, and turn off the lights when you leave.
They have just mocked this story on The Wright Stuff, but why? This isn't about racism against immigrants this is about British people wanting to protect and appreciate their already dwindling and under threat wildlife. This is also about animal welfare. I worry when certain people don't take stories like this seriously. LEAVE OUR WILDLIFE ALONE!
Do me a favour and stop making excuses for people that break the law in our country. Ignorance is not an excuse, that applies to anyone not just immigrants. I'm so sick of people coming and stamping all over us in the UK. You stick by the laws of the country you're in otherwise face the consequencies. I'm living and working in a foreign country, I know the laws and would not break them, but maybe that's because they will be inforced. Get a grip Great Britain!
This has been going on for years and ignored. The park keepers in Enfield were told not to approach anybody seen poaching. Heart breaking when whatching a duck being hit against a tree!!! When I shouted all I got back was abuse! Lets, let them take whatever they want who needs wildlife we obviously dont have enough food in this country! Can we really sit back and watch them distroy this country????/
I realy like sunday roast swan ;), i feel then like the king. hahaah Do you realy belive in such nonsense , nobody in Poland eat swans!!!!!
Angling is a blood sport and should be banned along with hunting and shooting - BW657, London, 23/3/2010 15:43 BW657, Angling is not a blood sport. These migrants are the ones catching the fish inhumanely and its disgraceful what they are doing to the swans. Kick 'em OUT!!!! If we dont deal with it now it will only get worse, this country will be a disgusting mess, we will have no green land left because we have to house them all. All our wonderful wildlife will be eaten by these thiefs. mmm, cant wait. Thanks Labour.
The immigrants in Peterborough are offered a free trip home, the taxpayer pays for it. Only a handful have taken up the offer. I don't think signs in many languages is going to halt any fishing. Meanwhile the wages in the area are now so low. Many are looking for work and companies often employ immigrants over anyone else as they will work for well below the minimum wage. Well done Socialist Labour.
Its either law or not. Who cares if they are ignorant of the laws, break them, suffer the penalty.
"carcasses of swans have been found on the bank" So they weren't catching them to eat then because if they were, why would they leave them on the bank? Stiring I think.
This story is a similar one for rivers, ponds and streams in most areas where large numbers of migrants live. These beautiful water areas are also used as free dumps for unwanted meat by some types of restaurants; but it is also right to say that many birds and fish die from the debris left by a number of fishermen enjoying a day's relaxing sport.
This has been flagged up to the EA for the past ten years and more. Their response is to employ Diversity Officers to explain how naughty it is for foreigners to behave like this. Mostly to five year old schoolkids. Their parents can do what the hell they like. The Equalities Commission sees to that.
If they are unemployed and with nowhere to live kick them out as vagrants, as they can always go back to where they came from. Stop handing out benefits and "charitable" donations of every kind. These people have come to believe they can get a free ride in the UK How many are working in the fields and claiming benefits I wonder. Then after 12 months they will go back home and claim unemployment benefits which the Uk will of course pay using borrowed money on which we pay interest. Mad or what
There is nothing wrong with fishing, and they must have been very hungry to eat a swan. Lets hope that the British won't start doing it, because the way the life is going.............. never say never.
Would these be the very same folk, that we were assured by all and sundry, who would be adding value to our economy rather than being a drain on it?
this sort of thing has been going on for a long time ,all over the country .ignorance of our rules and laws is no excuse ,if you choose to live in another country long term or short term its up to the individual to find out the rules .Problem is poaching is not a [ target crime ]so police wont enforce it and these people know that.
Here, here !!! Christina, of Parkstone, Lots and lots of us feel the same way. Reconise our laws and culture or get out.!!!
Just make sure your vote counts everyone.
What a sad and sorry place the city I used to call home has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place Britain has become.
Sorry ,regarding the fish stocks this is seeking scape goats for declining fish stocks .I lived and worked in Germany & Holland for over 15 years ,as a course fisherman i continued my boyhood methods of returning all fish at he end of the day .The continentals would ask for our catch to take home with theirs which of course we would not do .Here in Spain its the same . One thing i can say there was never ever a shortage of fish and the ones caught were in prime condition .,unlike the fish in UK caught over and over again on overfished waters. Look at , water quality, polution and a host of other problems caused by man. I am not condoning it but a hundred or so migrants fishing every day should have no effect on a river such as the Neane . The close season from a fish protection point is a nonesense as all anglers have caught fish outside the close season in spawn it depends on the weather ,however, its nice to give the river a rest. Swans there are laws enforce them .
I read last week that 4million ex-pats want to come back to Britain.Question is "Will there be any good reason for them to do so --will they have somewhere to live,or will they have to get in the queue behind the immigrants,(when most have to sell their homes first to come back here?)I await in anticipation but I won`t hold my breath for any sensible answer off this ex government.They have messed up big time and they don`t even say SORRY.
If we were'nt in the EU these pesants would'nt be here in the first place! When caught they should be heavily fined and then deported. If they can't pay the fine they should be put in jail on work duty until its worked off and then deported!
Bit of a hard bash at the Polish. I live in East London, huge population of Polish, they seem to work hard, pay their way and have very high expectations of family life. Its the peasant types who seem to cause the trouble, they drain the canals at locks then pick the fish out the mud. If you move to Britain, be British otherwise stay where you came from. Am I allowed to say that without someone calling me names?
I put humans before fish (and sport).
A quick search brings up scores of almost identical articles from the past several years about "immigrants" killing fish or wildfowl at various locations in the UK. I strongly suspect this is an urban myth that keeps doing the rounds. One thing the stories all lack is credible evidence. There aren't comments from the police saying it's a problem or examples of actual arrests or convictions. They're based on various people saying they "believe" immigrants are to blame - nothing more. Perhaps people just desperately WANT to believe they are. Maybe the origins of the story go even further. In the 1930's in Germany, there were reports in the press that Jews were responsible for killing and eating ornamental ducks and fish. Although carp wasn't generally eaten by Germans, it was a popular dish amongst Jews.
I have been finding slaughtered swans for the last 6-7 years around peterborough, and nobody is interested when you report it.
Why aren't these people deported?
I keep reading how immigrants are handed mansions and plasma TVs?? Why are these immigrants sleeping rough? Someone is not being truthful
Blair and Brown have succeeded in turning Britain into cesspit.
Of course the low levels in fish has nothing to do with increasing river pollution?? Not sure the reason for swan carcasses... foxes?
We had this problem where I used to live in the UK. Sadly, British Law is inadequate for this type of offence. The people will not be fined or imprisoned. They will merely be given a slap on the wrist and set free to re-offend again and again.
Have you noticed that none of the main parties have even mentioned immigration or the EU in their pre-election spiel ? So don`t expect anything to change when the Lib/Lab/Con men get in again.
Even the conservative government were wary of annoying the fisherman of this country. They are a tough lot and great in number! Some of the imigrants that are sleeping rough and poaching could be used in a massive media campaign aimed at the countries they are coming from to drive the message home loud and clear that life is no better here and it is not a free for all societey that is eagerly awaiting them with food shelter and money! The people trafficers are convincing them it is great here so that they can take all their money in exchange for transporting them in the direction of the UK The same goes for the Russian suicide family last week. Try and deal with the problem at it's roots rather than trying to trim the leaves. Everything else has failed.
Its happened in my neck of the woods too. Probably all over the country and the councils knew it was happening so WHY HAVNT THE COUNCILS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I bet i know the answer!
lets face it, if we went to a middle eastern country and kissed in public then said we did not understand the law or their culture, do you think they would let ignorance be an excuse, so how come it is ok when they come here?
Come, come. Migrants can do no wrong - only the cowered, silenced indigenous population. To criticise them in any way is clearly racist and will be immediately dealt with as such. The courts will rule that it is against their civil liberties and human rights to be even politely reprimanded. Britain triumphs over the entire world in its pride at having this official attitude.
Angling is a blood sport and should be banned along with hunting and shooting
Being in the Eu does not benifit ordinary people, only polticians and big busines, and for the right to have brussels tell us what we can and cannot do, costs this country dearly Time to shut the wlecome door and get out.
We already have a law to deal with this unfortunately the police choose to ignore it because it causes them too much work and time, the vagrancy act of 1824 and it's subsequent ammendments of 1838,1935, 1966, as far as I'm aware is still in force and carries a sentence from one to three years, it covers the lot from living rough, poaching ETC, various organisations like shelter have been trying to get sections 3 and 4 of the act repealed in mid 2009, the residents of Peterborough want to tell/demand their police do their job and withold the part of their council tax that they recieve if they don't.
Dirty horrible people. I listened to a radio report from bbc radio oxford a few months ago regarding a lake owner who had to put a sign up saying No Polish! He caught these people litterally taking the fish out and eating them on the side of the lake. They turn up in droves and just take the fish and eat them, regardless of size or species. His stocks had to be completely replenished. to the cost of thousands. Of course the Human Rights activists were immediately on his case for discriminatination, and were pettioning fror him to remove his sign.
Another attack on Polish community. POLISH PEOPLE DO NOT EAT SWANS. Please get your facts right. It is a practice popular among Romanian gypsy population. As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined. - Mrs S, London, 23/3/2010 16:01 The article doesn''t say they eat swans. The Poles were caught fishing. As for having signs, WHY? Anyone, anywhere, should check the laws and rules before carrying out any activity. I certainly wouldn't think of fishing in rivers in another country without firsy finding out if it was permissible. Ignorance is no defence.
Labour's enforced multicultural policy at work, for which we can thank Blair and Brown. Aren't you pleased you voted Labour? - Parks, London, 23/3/2010 14:53 Parks, I'm from Peterborough and I agree this situation is unpleasant and many areas of my city have sadly become Eastern European ghettos. But, and you know this is true, even if we had had a Tory Government this situation would still have occured. Ask Dave about Europe.
Mrs S London - it's you who should get your facts right. This is not an attack on the Polish community. The article states a correlation between swans being killed and the influx of Eastern Europeans. It does not say they are being eaten by Poles. It does say that Polish men have actually been caught fishing illegally; this is not an attack, this is fact. This government's immigration policy is an attack on the British way of life. People of many nationalities and religions come here for a better life. Sadly, this often means doing exactly what they want and trying to impose their views and culture on us while yelling 'racist' if we object and milking the system of all they are 'entitled' to. The way it should be is integrate, obey our laws and respect our culture and you're welcome. Otherwise, you have the right to leave.
These people should never have been allowed into the UK and should be deported immediately.
I thought killing swans in Britian was an act of violence against the crown, as the queen owns all the swan in Britain??
"Welcome to Britain," take whatever you want, fish stocks, swans, other people's houses, benefits, jobs, take your pick. It's all there for the taking if you are an immigrant.
We were in Western Australia a few years ago and they had exactly the same problem there. East Europeans taking fish that were undersized.
Leave the EU and their anti-British laws, (they aren't actually anti-British, it's just that we are the only ones stupid enough to obey them)
The signs will make it easier to prosecute people as they will not be able to say that they did not know what they were doing is illegal. We should be able to fine the persons country in some circumstances for many illegal acts and this would be a good start and would encourage the country to educate their citizens as to what they can and cannot do in the UK.
Isn't it tragic though, that these people came here on the promise of a better life. You can't blame them, the blame lies with the government in allowing them to come here in the first place. If they arrive with no job, no home and no money to live on, it's inevitable that they will have to live rough and survive in the best way they can. Once again, this government has a lot to answer for.
Another attack on Polish community. POLISH PEOPLE DO NOT EAT SWANS. Please get your facts right. It is a practice popular among Romanian gypsy population. As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined.
This is not just happening in Peterhead, I fish at Aboyne, Kinnord, and a few other places and I have noticed the difference over the last few years in fish numbers. Many times I have caught eastern europeans taking fish that they are not supposed to and when confronted they pretend they don't know what you're saying, yet as soon as you mention "police" they soon get the message. If you move to a different country you have to read up about the laws, just in case you could be doing something considered a no-no. Learning some of the language is a good idea also, so at least you can ask if its ok to do something. Ignorance is no excuse! They have tongues in their heads, why can't they bloody ask! These people should be shipped back to where they came from if they can't abide by our laws, it happens in other countries!
Erm!, hard one here, do bears defecate in the woods? is the Pope Catholic?
the police and the balifs are the ones that turn a blind eye.polish are destroying our scottish lochs killing every pike they catch, my bf is a keen angler and respects the fish and his surrounding but the polish butcher the fish and leave a mess so people like him get the blame. many a time he has had a run in with them as they are killing the sport and giving it a bad name but the police are not interested and would rather harass him than tackle a foreigner. the balifs are worse they dont even ask for permits off these people. its a disgrace. and when they are approached its a case of they dont understand but as soon as the police/ balif is way their english is perfect.
I think UKIP stands a good chance of getting its first MP for Peterborough. Let's show the political elite that we're fed up with the EU.
Labour's enforced multicultural policy at work, for which we can thank Blair and Brown. Aren't you pleased you voted Labour?
Why in the name of all that is right and good are people like this allowed to commit such acts in Britain? Why aren't they arrested and thrown out? Oh wait... it's all part of the insane "freedom of movement" assured by the EU.
POACHING is illegal.................even when committed by EUROPEANS.
Signs to deter the poachers. Right. Theses people know they are untouchable. Whats the point.
Thats it come into the UK and do just what you want before asking, no wonder we are all up in arms the only thing these people know is take take take . Gormless Gordon and his cronies have a lot to answer for including Bliar roll on the election .
They are to be made to understand that a carp can cost as much as a TAg heur watch and that they are eating stuff that is bred purely for fishing as a sport. The theft of these fish should bed treated as seriously as if they were walking intop a jeweklry shop and stealing them. a 35lb carp could cost as much as 40pounds per pound in weight. That is over 1200 for a single fish. The penalty must be severe but more importantly they must be caught each and every time they do this. I suggest that every means at our disposal should be used to make sure that these people understand that the consequences of their actions will be severe swift and painful
We all know about it, but authorities are too scared to do anything about it, because it will be labelled racist....innit?
Why are these Eastern Europeans here? They should be made to prove they have somewhere to stay and employment before being allowed to clutter up this already overcrowded little island.
Welcome to Britain, immigration capital of europe thanks to the govt's total disregard to the numbers of illegals crossing our borders not to mention the legal one's and it's only going to get worse! Multi cultural they call it, more like invasion actually.
Gos this makes my blood actually boil, how dare they!! and how dare the government and police sit back and do nothing!! I bet a million pounds if a white British male was caught killing and eating a the story would be completely different not just Multilingual' signs going up. Next they will be drying the lake up to stop them, much like chopping down all those tree to sop dogging!!!!!
Oh dear -- this is a whole new low. Killing a Swan is akin to killing a Unicorn! It's just not cricket. How about an eye-for-an-eye... We'll chase the immigrants around with nets and put eight pound hooks through their necks!
When will us british people realise we have no country, we have no voice if no one has noticed, we have no say in any matter, we seem to have no human rights either judging by the courts. As said welcome to multi culturism, well the end to england, this is not a racist comment but a fact and a proven one, we just don't have any politicians with a set of balls!!
What a load of garbage this article is! Wye salmon have been in terminal decline since the 1980's, long before Eastern Europeans started arriving. There are salmon anglers with more than 40 years experience unable to locate a single salmon on sections of the middle Wye, yet we are to believe these newly arrived migrants are finding and catching them with ease? There are many problems for the ever dwindling stock of salmon that still run the Wye, such as abstraction, pollution from intensive agriculture, the spread of illegally introduced alien species like barbel and the constant disturbance of the spawning beds by canoeists and rafters. Eastern European poachers are a non-existent threat to salmon, they would be far more likely to be targeting the WUF's favourite cash cow the barbel.
Ahh the benefits of multiculturalism, still look on the bright side, while they're eating the salmon its giving the swans a break
Pity that they haven't tried pigeon as most towns and cities have a plenty supply of these pests. Have heard they have a swan now 'n again for a change, no dear, not the same swan, a different one.
Immigration is good for us. Tony Blair said so.
You only reap the harvest you sow in life, if you let '' anybody'' in like ALL governments have done over the last 14 years or so, you are bound to get the criminal element ,--- like bees to a honey pot, and they say it,s their human rights ( my backside ) Here in Bulgaria , '' a former Eastern block country '' you have to have a license to fish !!!! and if you are caught fishing illegally , woe betide you with the police here, but as ever the main attraction is ''BENEFITS '' not the fish !! soft touch Britain as ever, and they know they can as always get away with it,when they scream out for their HUMAN RIGHTS
Yes they are mainly POLISH ! And it is their HUMAN RIGHT to Feed themselves from an English River ! GET OVER IT . Your really going to print this aren't you ? - Dave Evans, Sofia, 4/8/2011 6:26 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Yeah.....maybe they'll start hunting sparrows and songbirds with shotguns......just like they do at home. This wanton decimation of our wildlife must stop.
So where are the Water Bailiffs?
this is not just a problem with rivers but allso a problem with sea .these people turn up on piers across the north east and take every single fish home .nothing is to small this is a crying shame when u see responsible anglers mesure and release most fish
Keep repeating "Multiculturalism is GOOD for the UK".
Yes they are mainly POLISH ! And it is their HUMAN RIGHT to Feed themselves from an English River ! GET OVER IT . Your really going to print this aren't you ?
Theres hundreds and hundreds of people working on farms in the area What are they doing on these farms ------------- I ask because I have been trying to find work in the UK for 33 years - If the work pays the national average i want a job -----------I am a UK Citizen - born to UK Parents who had UK born Grand Parents who are now sadly dead - I have worked 33 years overseas as an expat - not continuous I had 60 days a year leave when in work and when contracts were finished I spent time in UK wih my family searching for work - Jobseeker Office Staff have been telling me since 1983 that there was nothing in the UK better I go back overseas - I went through a divorce in 2004 after 30 years of marrage - our children had finished further education then my wife decided to leave me 5 days before I came home for Christmas -- I am now living in Far East where I have been working - contract now finished - so I am looking for work - I will do anything so long as receive national average pay
Its bad enough taking all the jobs, if the Eastern Europeans want fish they should go to the fish and chip shop like the British do.
As an officer of the Angling Trust, Mark Lloyd should know more of the angling habits of the Poles than their taste for the carp. Contacting the Polish Angling Association with a view to cooperation would be a good starting point. Angling just to kiss the fish, take a photo and release it back to the river is incomprehensible to a Pole not because he is culturally different. He is not. It is incomprehensible because of different legal solutions. At home, the Poles angle legally for a snack and pay for the privilege, with 90% of the proceeds funding the hatcheries. Illegal angling is an offence attracting a fine but angling in protected waters is a crime and the perpetrator risks two years in prison, which is very seldom imposed in the UK on a driver who wipes out a family. It is not the Poles who are culturally different, it is you, the British. The carp just loves to be eaten poached (no pun intended) in a light broth, as a gefillte fish or fried on a pan rather than die of old age.
This is nothing new. They`ve been depleting our fish stocks in many rivers since they were granted access to the UK. It`s their culture and they`re more than happy to continue with it in someone elses country. Stay in the EU and you can expect more of the same.
Yet another reason to stop immigrants walking into britain from europe most polish and others dont fish for sport they fish to eat etc...Yet another reason to get rid of europe.All we seem to get out of this EU club are problems. immigrants on the run (criminals) beggers and fraudsters who steal from our benefit system etc..we have got very little out of this EU club.
OMG am I sick of all the forgeiners in OUR country.We didn`t invite you! we don`t need you! and WE can`t afford you! Go Home.
Don`t you Love belonging to the corrupt EU.?
protest the eu, organise a day to swamp the streets.
Does this new ruling mean that Brits who have been living abroad can now return to the UK and claim benefits and medical help immediately. At present they cannot have medical or any other help for 6 months. There are many pensioners who would like to return to the UK in their later years because of poor health, but unable to do so because of the 6 month rule. Has this now been waived or are we still second class citizens?
Do these that claim thebenifits have the contributions transferred from their home country?. No I thought not, same as the ten children they claim to have to claim the child benifit . Am I ANGRY you bet I am our Polititions are to busy feathering their own nests to even think about what is happening in our own Country and we stand for it!!!
If you're happy with this colonisation keep voting for the big 3............ You heard it first from the British National Party.
Just vote B.N.P. who have been telling you for years whats wrong.
Oh wake up - cant you all smell the coffee - this is a all a cynical ploy by the pro europe politicians which was started by Blair and Brown and is being carried on by Cameron to flood the country with europeans. when they have resided here for a short time they are entitled to vote - hence when the time is right and we are finally allowed a vote on europe these people will ensure that the result is a resounding YES.
Vote for UKIP as they would sort this stupidity out and get us out of the EU where we are strung along by rings in our noses like cattle to the slaughter . If you were born in the UK and have worked all your life then you get nothing. Arrive at our shores , do not work, bring in 10 dependents and you get everything free. A house, benefits, child allowance etc etc It stinks.
Isn't it strange how they find the money to pay this high benefit to them, yet can't find the money to pay pensioners a decent pension, after all the pensioners have paid into the system for years, what have the migrants contributed? does this seem fair, but then it seems common sense doesn't exist among MPs these days.
It is time our benefit rules were brought in line with some other EU countries. In some you get nothing until you have paid into the system, and then only for the period equal to that you have paid in. I believe it is still true that EU citizens without means of support can be sent back to their home countries. Get tough, with our own lot as wells as others.
WRONG! They've always been allowed to claim in 1st 12 months - just had to have a document to show they are working under the registration scheme. They don’t need this document anymore. They're now treated same as other EU nationals (France, Germany etc). They can only claim benefits if working or self-employed or for 6 months if already been working and looking for work - ie paid taxes + NI. If haven’t worked or sick etc then have to have enough money to live on to be self-sufficient without relying on benefits AND have health insurance (too expensive so they can't claim). They also can’t get it if not worked here + looking for work – no Europeans can - only Brits, Irish etc can). So stop getting your knickers in a twist xenophobes. You don’t get it do you – if we attract foreign workers + they pay taxes here + send money home – those countries at home will be able to get better economically so will be more independent + will be able to buy British goods. Think globally
Just one question .What other country in the EU offers the scale of benefits to non-citizens that the UK does? If such paradise exists perhaps all the prospective parasites can be redirected to there and prevent the overloaded UK sinking without trace into the North Sea
Cheap workers that is what this is all about. They will work for below the minimum wage and get a top up via the UK taxpayers via benefits. Welcome to rip off Britain, well ripped off if you happen to be British born.
Simple solution, the EU should standardize benefits taking into account cost of living in each state. That way there would be no financial incentive for benefit scroungers to move around.
UKIP will get my vote, There the only ones that talk sense on Europe and the rights of the British people. Laybour said, we have to join Europe so we have a voice, Sad thing is we have no voice in Europe, we have a laybour communist speaking for the British people and she is doing a terrible job with a massive pay packet and pension. Its Shocking. Word to Europe, were skint and we 3million people out of work, we don't want more benifit scroungers.
Great ! and decent British people like my husband who is self employed and has paid into the system for years, got absolutely nothing when he was seriously ill and couldn't work for several weeks.
The answer is so simple OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Total & utter B*****y madness! We have been so badly dropped in it by our not fit for purpose politicos. EU the most undemocratic scam ever foisted on a longsuffering public.
Oh great, lets just give every vagrant who pitches up here every penny we've got! We wouldn't get it if we went to their countries, not if we went to any of the other EU member states, so why the hell should we give our hard earned money away? Will this government PLEASE understand that they are NOT theLABOUR government and therefore are should not be in the business of throwing our money away. We need our money here, in our country to help our own have-nots, we do not want to hand it out to anyone else. Is anyone out there in Westminster listening to a word we say?
Why does everyone think the East Europeans claim benefits? All the ones I see in the UK are working, and working hard! Maybe the DM should actually do an investigation and report the truth - whatever that may be. - Okpulk, Ex UK, now Serbia, 25/4/2011 14:21 I'd like someone to investigate how you can see all that from Serbia?
Why do we have such weak and feeble leaders in this country ? We are drowning in debt, and they STILL allow immigrants here and change the rules to suit , Pensioners get £120 per week, out of this they have to pay all their bills, buy food, replace clothing etc ... Foreigners come here, and what do they get ? They get accommodation,£250 plus extras on top, we have demobbed soldiers living in squalor , sleeping in abandoned yards etc ... begging for food and many ending up in prison! I do wish that politicians would stand up and play the strong man and say, " Enough is Enough !!! " FOR God's we cannot feed our own , so how the hell can we be expected to feed all the rest of the money grabbers ...? GET US OUT OF EUROPE , GET US OUT OF THE UN ... and GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF WAR ZONES THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN !! I am willing to bet that you won't allow this post because the media doesn't like such truths being stated, and would prefer to lie by omission, the Enemy we face is within this country.
Perhaps we ought to pay European citizens the same level of benefit they would be entitled in their own respective country.
As an EU citizen living in a "3rd"world county feeling the economic crunch, with no social benefits whatsoever, would I be eligible for the same benefits as those mentioned above? Please someone, let me know.
So much for the sayings of Cameron and co. The benefit system is being revised to exclude immigrants from eastern Europe.
i wonder what has happened to the two years NI stamps you must have paid before you are allowed any benefits every time i sign on they keep saving ive missed some stamps so i'm not eligable for job seekers allowance although i've got 30+ years NI stamps
Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back. - Louise, Bedfordshire, 25/4/2011 1:57 No point Louise, I can tell you from experience, that you'll find that if you can't put your hand in pocket to fund EVERYTHING and IF you find work/a job and pay into their system, you'll not be entitled to a bean and then you'll have to get to the back of the queue (as a foreigner) and await your fate. Most other Europeans are better educated than us anyway and speak 3 to 4 languages on average............... sorry but the insidious 'dumbing down' of the English has been going on for a long time.
I am lost for words! Every day I despair of this country and what it's becoming. The sooner the BNP or UKIP come into power and run the country the better!
How could it be that some bunch of complete nutters signed us up to this one-way traffic? How can it be that these Eastern Europeans can come to our shores and pick up money like its gone out of fashion with the ridiculous premis that we can go over to their countries and do the same!!!!!!!! Yea, right of course we will, I can see the ports clogged with Brits trying to get over there! The next plonker that tells me the EU is good for Britain is going to get a very serious talking to believe me.
Please sir can I pack up work now? My husband would like to as well cos he has to work a 40 hour week to clear this amount after tax.
As long as many Brits are too lazy to work, others will do it.
This is nothing short of treason by the main parties in this country. Stealing from the good tax payers of the UK and handing it to foreigners who have done nothing to contribute to our society. We the people need to remove this parcel of EU stooges and marxist infiltrators from OUR parliament NOW. We need to turn the vote on AV into the vote we were PROMISED on EU membership. In the US it is called a "write in" so come on write on the ballot paper "NO EU" we can do it,all of us together. We need to take our country back.
wouldn't it be easier for everyone if they just had the money posted to them?
What other countries in the EU are doing this?
Its time for cameron to say sorry chaps but your not entering this country as we have enough unemployed of our own and at the same time start sending all the ones that are here home .
This is why the government is working so hard on it,s witch hunt to get British people off benefits .It,s so they can make room for all the Eastern Europeans who will be getting ready to take their places as we speak !
Why does everyone think the East Europeans claim benefits? All the ones I see in the UK are working, and working hard! Maybe the DM should actually do an investigation and report the truth - whatever that may be.
Don't understand why the gov't doesn't just block all benefits. I live in Spain and to try and obtain any benefits here is nigh impossible. Why should the UK continue to support these claimants?
this is the reason i left the uk 5 years ago, it seems that things have gotton a lot worse. - michelle , australia, 25/4/2011 13:04 Me too.
I worked for 15 years, then quit work to get a second degree at university. I paid my own tuition fees and living expenses out of my own savings. The recession hit once I completed the degree, and I couldn't get a job. I also didn't qualify for any benefits, because (I was told) I didn't have two years' full NI contributions. And that's when I realised the State wasn't interested in me unless I was financially supporting their voters.
Does this mean anyone from the UK can go to any other EU country and get a similar payment and housing or is it just us the stupid British? There might be queues of Brits going somewhere a bit warmer near a beach & collecting their dole money & a nice little apartment somewhere. Or maybe in the real world they won't get either, whose the mugs?
I really never thought I would say this, but after years of trusting Labour and now the Tories to treat our own people fairly this bombshell, whilst they cut benefits for our own disadvantaged citizens, they are prepared to dish out large sums to yet more migrants ,many who hate us and our way off life , as I say I never thought Id say this but the only option seems to be the BNP, I am facing the stark reality that I may just have to vote for them
"In Germany, they say that East Europeans will continue to have no right to unemployment or social benefits even after 1 May. Why is it different in the UK? - Peter, Nuremberg, Germany, 25/4/2011 12:29" Smple!! In Germany you have your own government working in the interests of German people. In England we do not have a government of our own, we have the British government working to destroy England and her people.
It's time all of you people commenting (including myself) marched on Downing Street. Surrounded Parliament, and don't let them leave until they've got us out of the EU, and made legislation to kick out all foreign benefits spongers. Enough is enough.
Just in time for Turkey who will join soon!
Oh why does this country put all countries in the same pile? I mean, I'm an American living in Estonia, my husband is Estonian. I can say there is nothing Eastern European about the small Nordic land. They love saunas and cross-country skiing, more incredible technology that your country could ever dream of and also they DO NOT speak a Slavic or even a Baltic language (oh yes, imagine that, there is a difference). They speak an ancient Finno-Ugric language called - Estonian, RELATED to FINNISH!!! There's also Hungary and the Czech Republic - Central European countries with their own wonderful culture. I have noticed the lack in YOUR education system and your knowledge of geography, but seriously, just because they are east of you guys and you still think everything looks like Belorus in the 1960s, doesn't mean that you have to go on and on about some forgotten Cold War division of Europe. It's like you only know the last 100 years of European history. Bit unrelated post, I know.
BNP I say, I mean this will then stop what the other crap parties have started, well not necesarilly stop as it has gone way to far now, and we probarbly can't get out of this, but it can stop what is to come! Which is the downfall of our country, soon we will literally be that crippled in debt that those of us who do work, are going to be on the other end of the scale penniless paying for these spongers that are happy to come and take what we have so long earned for!
How do they get that? I worked for this country for 43 years and get about £100 pension. Perhaps if I went to Eastern Europe and then came back here, I could get £250? No I did not think so either?
this government makes me puke, what the hell is going on, i have paid NI stamps for 48 years never claimed jobseekers allowance and i get less,,,,
Can you imagine the uproar if we still had a Labour government. Cameron would have been tearing out what hair he has left!
Simple every single one of them should serve a minimum of five years military service, this will prove they are willing to work hard for their rights. Or better still reinforce the fact we are an free nation and not tied to the rules of brussels.
And I've just been told I have to sign on EVERY DAY (Mon-Fri) for my Jobseekers Allowance. They are trying to "encourage" me to end my claim even though I can't find a job; no doubt to be replaced by one of these people who have never lived or worked here! It makes me sick!
We have Tony Blair to thank for this, whose legacy will be the betrayal of our nation
The sick and disabled who actually live in Britain get cuts and threats, while a bunch of foreigners come over and receive benefits. Cameron's proving to be worse than Brown.
The government has absolutely no right to squander our inflated taxes on incomers who have contributed zilch but a drain to our economy. It does not have our permission to do so and certainly would not get our permission if we were asked. No wonder my blood pressure is increasing - government is bad for my health.
Dont moan on here get off your backsides and give your MPs your feelings . Its a typical English thing sit on here and do naff all about it Well if you all realised whats coming you would .. You are fast running into a living standard of a third world country . The MPS will still get their Salary plus exspencies and sit back as this country goes into meltdown Do something noe UK for the future of the kids I went and told my MP what i thought of him when i left the UK and believe me i was rude yet i was water off a ducks back , AND HE WAS LABOUR Carl Brisbane
The elitists are'nt listening. Vote BNP for real change for the better Roger Worthing
Come on Daily Mail, you are always printing articles like this ,and immigrant scrounger articles. Do you REALLY want something awful to happen in this country.It seems to me , reading the comments on here that people are getting extremely annoyed, why dont you (if you have the wellbeing of this nation atheart, and are not just cynicly trying to wind people up )Start a petition on our exit from the EU fiasco, I am sure most readers would sign up to it. So instead of just printing stories about stuff like this ,DO SOMETHING POSITIVE
Gormless Britain is going to hell in a handcart, but most of the electorate are too apathetic to notice or care.
can anyone explain to me how someone who has worked all their lives then loses their job can only claim£64 a week and yet foriengers can claim all this money and have not contributed a penny i truley believe the gorvernment is trying to hard to please anyone except the people they are supposed to represent how much more are we going to put up with i will definitley be voting bnp next time what have we to lose i just dont believe a thing these 3 parties say
This is British Governmental theft . We have no say in how much they take from us and no say in what they do with it. This is social engineering designed to wreck England. When are people going to realise that our biggest enemy is in Westminster?
Politicians should try managing on State Pension to which one has contributed a life's work and which is not being increased to the over 70s, and then see the difference to what these economic European immigrants are getting for doing nothing.
Now you know why the name's being changed to a universal benefit.It's the biggest threat to national identity since the second world war.
Think it's time I packed my bags and left this godforsaken country. We keep hearing from our illustrious Prime minister that we are facing hard times, so how is it that someone from another country can come over here and take that sort of money and NOT even pay into the system when there are GENUINE people with disabilities and pensioners facing cutbacks. Why should someone who is severly disabled struggle to work or why should we face working into our 80's...that will come next believe me.....only for us to watch a person from abroad take it all. The AV vote is coming up...do you think I will be bothering with that......not for a lily-livered government like we have now.
Well,, you ALL know who you should be voting for.. Dont forget to take a PEN to X your vote, so it cannot be rubbed out. Come on people, youve all had enough now so lets do something about it, yes??? Come on.. vote BNP / UKIP .. you know it makes sense.
This is just further proof that our leaders are hell bent on destroying this country.
The elitists are'nt listening. Vote BNP for real change for the better Roger Worthing
this is the reason i left the uk 5 years ago, it seems that things have gotton a lot worse.
The situation this nation is in is bad enough now, it's difficult to imagine what it will be like in 12 months time with this bombshell. What makes me so damned angry is that the local elections are next week in England and Wales and too many people are still prepared to vote for the Cons, Lab or Liberals! It is these parties that have placed this country in the position it is now, the dumping ground of Europe. We have immigrants from every corner of the globe all arriving here for benefits and housing, most of which we don't even give to our own bloody people! You people need to grow yourselves some and vote for a party that WILL stop this abuse of our country once and for all, the BNP! Ukip only want us out of the EU, they have no other policy other than that. Ther BNP will stop unfettered migration from the EU and from third world countries immediately. They will also go about renationalising the utility companies, they will also END the illegal wars this country is engaged in! BNP!
To claim Jobseekers allowance, you have to be actively seeking work and sign an agreement committing to look through papers, search the internet, make speculative approaches to employers etc. Every two weeks , when jobseekers 'sign on', they have to provide evidence of what they have done to look for work. Failure to comply with the agreement can lead to benefit being suspended. However, many of these migrant workers cannot speak , read or write English and, therefore, have problems actively seeking work as they cannot read job adverts, ring employers, attend interviews etc. Many of them just turn up every fortnight to sign on- unable to provide evidence of what they have done to look for work and are not having their benefit suspended . Many UK jobseekers have witnessed this and have queried why they are being grilled yet non english speakers are just signed on and 'waved through'. I know as I work in a jobcentre and can confirm there is a two tier system. Problems ahead.
Hang on a minute, the disability benefits for the disabled are be cut because the government cannot afford the benefits bill but they can afford to give Eastern European immigrants £250 a week. Right people it is time to sort this all out once and for all and the only way to do it is to vote BNP.
Okpulk 11:30. --- I think you'll find that many British people go on holiday to those countries. It might surprise you to learn that British people even life in those countries. ....and take money with them, and contribute to the economy of the host country, and don't expect to be given free housing and money in the bank, that's the not so subtle difference.
Great! Whilst our own poverty stricken people are having their benefits/allowances cut to the point where they are unable to meet their basic financial requirements, our gutless politicians are allowing this to happen. More and more I am being won over to the UKIP argument. It may be a one policy party, but it's the policy that seems to rankle most with a vast number of the electorate. This sort of largesse is unsustainable and there must come a breaking point. The sooner the better, if only the gormless who keep voting for the usual suspects wake up to what is happening. They seem to be blissfully ignorant of, or quite happy to being constantly screwed by those who care nothing for the indiginous population
ONE ANSWER, Vote U.K.I.P at the local and the next General Election, the only party that will withdraw from the E.U.!
nobody is telling which country will pay for benefits????? its not uk !!!! thid people will have transfered their benefits from country which they are come from................. its all about EU rules.
This way people to The Dustbin of The World !!free housing, great benefits and a government who will bend over backwards for you all!! A slap in the face for decent hardworking British Public!and poor pensioners who faught for this once good Country!
this is why i voted BNP and if the rest of you do then this type of thing would be assigned to history. the end
Mr Cameron has got to bring in a Bill of Rights. He should in this bill state that all foreigners, regardless of where they come from, have to pay into our NI and tax for at least two years before qualifying for benefits. We cannot afford to have people coming in here and not working. We have got to do something now. Also you should not be able to live in huge mansions if you are on benefits. Build grotty hostels and make them live there. Also give other benefits in kind ie food vouchers, bare minimum, and then see how many people on benefits would decide that going out to work is worth it. This abuse of our system has to be stopped now.
All we have heard from this government is cuts cuts and more cuts, well start by cutting our links with the EU. Clegg the big Europhile thinks its important that we vote for AV, well had he supported giving us that referendum on the EU membership I might have considered it. It will be NO for many reasons, but mainly because you want it so badly Clegg.
Can I make an online plea here. Will the good people of Austrailia and Canada and whoever else would like to help, come to the aid of the "rebels" in Britain. We have a dictatorship of 3 parties suppressing the rights of it's own people, this news needs to go out to the rest of the world. We need help to free us now !!!!!! Things have gone severely wrong here and we need help from other countries, sound familiar ??? well I happen to think that we in Britain are getting a worse deal that a lot of other countries which have had such help recently !!!!
If theres a reason to get out of the EU this is it .time to get out of europe with all its problems it would be better for all of us and then we should take action against all the politicians who have kept us in the EU.
for gods sake and our sake get out of the e.u
Just give them the same level of benefits they would receive in their own Country. If that is nothing, then so be it. That way the UK can't be accused of discriminating against foreign claimants and would stop 'benefit tourism' immediately.
Like most people who post on here I have always`done the right thing`. I`ve always worked hard. I`ve always paid my taxes. Taken care of my family. Made sure my car is road legal etc. When I see what else I`m actually working for i.e, supporting people who have never put a penny into this country along with many who have no intention of putting anything in I know my best option is to take early retirement and abandon the country that was my home. I`ll have a lot less money but I`m sure I`ll be a whole lot happier. Our incompetent, dysfunctional, greedy, selfish politicians have a lot to answer for.
Yada yada yada .. another thousand bubbles of hot air at the bottom of a DM benefits story. “This is madness!” “Sort it out Cameron!” “I predict a riot!” Well, I don’t. For the last twenty years the British public, of which the DM is a fair representation, have faithfully voted for parties that have systematically and openly been giving the country away to foreigners. I no longer know who I despise more, the self-serving traitor-politicians who have orchestrated this takeover of our jobs and homes, or the mass of ill-educated, whining cowards known as the British electorate. If you really care about the death of our society, the plunder of our jobs and the loss of our ethnic heritage and identity—and this is truly what it is about—DON’T XXXXING WELL VOTE FOR IT. Show some GUTS. Try a non-mainstream party. You know who. SHOW THEM THAT YOU CARE.
In Germany, they say that East Europeans will continue to have no right to unemployment or social benefits even after 1 May. Why is it different in the UK?
They should only get what they would in their own country, that way its fairer for all!
Hungary is missing from the list of A8 countries in the article. Given that a Hungarian is allegedly interviewed it's a bit of a glaring omission. The 'up to' £250 presumably includes housing benefit which UK pensioners are also able to claim if they qualify. Of course they won't qualify if they're UK migrants sunning themselves on one of the Costas.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!! - Mark, St. John's, Antigua, 25/4/2011 1:58 Yes you can,you can claim the same amount as you would get here for 6 months in most countries.The difference is that their wages are so low that our benefits are better than their wages.there will be people claiming then going home and gangs claiming their money using fake people.We are seen as the mugs of europe to them,easy pickings.
Nex thing will be. They just have to point out the Uk on a map to get benefits, or just give them a phone number (from outside the UK) to ring. Country's a Joke, the rest of the world are laughing at us.
Vote for anyone bar the big three on May the 5th......As for the AV referendum, it means nothing to me until I have my promised referendum on the EU.
Migrants to get £250 a week whilst OAP’s live on a pittance of a so-called Pension after working hard all their lives and paying their Taxes what a HELL of a reward.
If you migrate anywhere you should not be allowed to claim benefits for 5 years. You should have papers to prove you can afford to live in England. You should have a full criminal check before entering. You should have a house/flat ready to move into upon arrival. You should have a job or enough money to live 100% free from benefits. This isnt racist, it would encourage non-racist behavior as more people would respect migrants as they will know that they are not spounging.
We CAN afford it because we are saving millions by chucking the old age scroungers out of their retirement homes. It's much more desirable to have contented foreigners than happy old people! ---------------- UKIP or BNP next time.
Is it a fact that East Europeans can also claim Jobseekers Allowance even when they return home ?
this is more than pensioners get. we need something done here, marching on parliament doesnt work. we need a government with back bone we need a government which was brought up not to tell lies. we need a governemtn which looks out for its own we need a government FULL STOP ALL WE HAVE IN POWER ARE SCHOOL BOYS PLAYING AT HOUSE.
My wife and I, who worked for 40 and 45 years respectively in this country, have state pensions that do not, JOINTLY, total £250 a week. We are both English with generations of forebears who were also English. You will understand my deep 'love' for the E.U. and all it stands for!
From 2015 / 2016 new pensioners will be paid the higher rate of pension, anybody receiving their pension before then will not, they will be kept on the lower rate pension, how can that be fair particularly when the government seems more than willing to pay large amounts to incomers from all over the world, why do they continue Labour's policy of making our own pensioners second class citizen?. If they blame the rules for this anomaly, change the rules, if it's EU rules, get out of the EU, they're nothing but a drain on our finances.
All our communities are losing out with the severe cutbacks and many are vital services for the elderly and children and this is being allowed to happen right under our noses.I cannot wait for a straight talking non pc government to be voted in that will say NO MORE.
Shut the Tunnel and get out of EEU. Please stop this madness.Britain cannot afford this and governments must listen to its people.Where else in the world a country gives you anything for nothing?
This will be a licence to sub let houses which are being paid for by Housing Benefit, there will be a few millionaires created in Eastern Europe as a result of this. The benefit system is not designed to cope with these changes, we still rely on people acting in an honest way. Its a total joke from start to finish.
last week cameron was mouthing off about cutting down the numbers of asylum seekers coming in , dont hold your breath about him stopping these free loaders coming in from the eu. not only does the eu wants another £600 million off us it also wants us to give free board and lodgings to half of europe, let cameron give us the vote on europe ,before we have nothing left to fight for
well well if you cant beat em joinr em!!!. lets all go on the dole!!!! and let the immigrants pay for it!!!
Okpulk _ not many British people live in other Countries on benefits which include free housing NO Council tax and free health care free schooling in English etc etc oh and job seekers allowance - name one other Country in the WORLD which keeps foreigners in the lap of luxury as we do!
What happened to them being tough on benefit payments or is that just for the British people who have actually paid in for them.
the people of this nation are now waking up to the reality that england will be the dumping ground of all the eu,s problems,in effect the dustbin,of course this has been agreed behind closed doors and been kept secret from the nation,watch out sheeple the gvt and other eu police/security will crack our heads to make us accept these policies,it is becoming obvious they the political eu heads are just waiting for unrest to club us down to submission,what will become of this nation i just do not know,the british bulldog spirit is still there at the moment,but it can be crushed,this can only be the reason the british public are treated with such contempt,i am glad my life is nearly over and can say what a wonderful country THIS ONCE WAS BEFORE WE WERE SOLD OUT BY OUR OWN GVT
People coming here from Eastern European countries should be entitled to exactly the same benefits we would be if we went to their country . No more. No less. - DG, Here in the UK-unfortunately, and if we moved there would they give us translators? offer us all sorts of benefits that only exist here think you are bonkers...just wait till you try to move to a new flat...there isnt room now...
This sort of criminal act was given too us by the most hated men in the UK - Blair and co, it is totally outrageous that our own young people have NO jobs and we are letting in all and sundry to claim benefits - how can this be - did we truly deserve this utter betrayal of our nation - I say NO we did not, and what exactly will happen when in the non too distant future there will be no money left in the pot to pay for these people to come here, will our young men and women just sit back or stand and fight - immigration into our Country is a disgrace all you young people have been born to be slaves.
Our MP's are unfit for purpose. Get rid of them. What a joke - squeeze us till our pips squeak and treat law abiding people with contempt only to smarm everyone else from anywhere else with shedloads of money and large homes. How come they are going to get £250 a week straight away. I only get pension of less than £100. UNFIT FOR PURPOSE, BLIND AND DEAF TO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR US. Fill your boots MP,s GRAVY TRAIN GOES ON AND ON FOR YOU. Start caring about your own people.
That's considerably more than a UK pension something that you've worked for all your life. Don't politicians love doling out our money to finance their pet schemes, the EU being the greatest scam of all time.
Time to vote for UKIP or somebody who is NOT part of the 2 / 3 party system that we have had for years. The Cons / Liebour / Libs are all the same thing. They make us think we have democracy but we dont! They are all bought and paid for by the BANKS and large business. They have no interest in what the UK population wants. We need a peoples government.
Is it any wonder that the Immigrants cross several Countries to arrive in the Land of Milk and Honey.Our Governments takes millions in Taxes of its own citizens only to give it away to the latest arrival. We have hundreds of young Families on the housing list then we see a Foreigner arrive with his Wife and 6 kids and get a house straight away. They cant blame it all on the EU other Countries are in the Union but they take care of the own first. How I wish we had Leaders like Australia and Canada they put their Citizens FIRST. They are cutting back on even the most Basic Services telling us its down to Labours Bad Government . But then Cameron goes to Pakistan and gives them 650 million ,at the same time tell us we are borrowing million a day .ITS NOT HIS MONEY TO GIVE AWAY PUT IT TO A REFERENDOM FIRST.
well well if you cant beat em joinr em!!!. lets all go on the dole!!!! and let the immigrants pay for it!!!
If WE go to their country can WE claim £250 a week? . . . . . The answer is NO we will get NOTHING. . . . . . If it is not a reciprocal arrangement it should be ignored. . . . . Non of our money should be given. . . The EU should pay them and us for having them.
It really is time to vote BNP
I wasn't even shocked reading this.
The immigrants are soaking up the jobs available for British workers. It's totally wrong.
All the time we have this bunch of wishy washy liberals ruling this country dont expect anything to change. Just more of the same for us suckers who pay the bills.
Freedom of movement.. yeh great... except every Latvian, Romaninan and Pole wants to come here and none of us want to go there. - Had Enough, Cardiff, 25/4/2011 11:19 --------------- I think you'll find that many British people go on holiday to those countries. It might surprise you to learn that British people even life in those countries, can you imagine!? Goodness me. They're not complete wastelands you know. Try going one day, you might be surprised.
All the main political parties are not concerned let them all come. Cameron’s mission is to allow 70 million Turks into the E.U. They are all squabbling like half wits on this A.V. voting system. Most people have no interest in the outcome. Where are the good leaders gone? All the main political parties are selling or already sold us out. Please have the Referendum that the people are calling out for. It may be already too late. “Where is the People Leader”?
Just shows they don't give a damn about the ordinary working people of this country. They just want a slave culture of cheap labour from eastern europe for the well off landed gentry. Time to vote UKIP i think, the tories and their lib/dem cronies have lost my vote completely now.
All Europeans should be treated equally in each European country. The sooner we fully integrate into Europe the better, with a stronger European Parliament
R.I.P What was once Great Britain.
I currently work a 30 hour week for a take home pay of about £170. When I read articles like the one above it makes me wonder why on earth I should bother. Oh yes......I forgot, self respect, and being able to look myself squarely in the face when I look in the mirror!
Taxpayers Alliance Rally, Saturday, 14th May, London.
When we go to the polls next, just remember this article when you put your cross on the paper.
I predict a riot !!!!
Are they having a laugh!! Me and my faily moved to spain and we didnt get no help at all. We had to ge translaters who we had too pay for ourselves. We had to find our own home too live. And now foreigners come in too our country and get more money than English, that is just sick. no wonder this bloody country is the way it is!! I'm on job seekers and i have been for 6 months and every time i go in there they moan at me because i havent got a job yet! but the people fromother countries dont even bother loooking for a job. i can hardly live on £200 a month. and yet they get £1000 a month!! that is hardly fair!! This country is a JOKE!!! - Hayley, warwickshire., 25/4/2011 10:58 Well obviously you don't like Spain, (you're back) England (moaning), where do you like? We've just dished out MILLIONS to Pakistan. Try there. Women's lives are certainly not boring, there. Different, but not boring. You'll not need to tax your literacy there either.
I have no problem with migrants claiming benefits in the UK but it must be reclaimed from their country of origin and only paid at the rates paid in that country of origin.It has got to be wrong that a polish worker for example can almost triple their take home wage simply by coming to the UK and claiming benefits. I have seen houses where 20 or 30 supposed migrants live who all sign on and all work in the black economy .Not only does the taxpayer provide housing but they give them money and allow them top work with little or no chance of them being caught or of them paying any taxes due.
All we can hope for at the moment is for, although the EU isn't the prime issue on May 5, that the anti EU's have a more than good showing in the elections. So get out and tell this creep Cameron to take the cotton wool out of his ears and listen. Damn Europe!!!!!!
I was born, brought up, lived and worked in England until I retired, I then moved to Ireland to enjoy a quieter life where I receive no help or handouts and live solely off my pension. I despair at what future I see for my Grandchildren who all live in the Essex area of greater London, how can we deal with the situation they face? I suggest getting out of the EU now to start with, then any immigrant wanting to come to England must have a job waiting for them. Any immigrant already in England who has not worked must have their benefits stopped after one year and then sent back to their birth country including their dependants. The NHS has to stop employing agency staff that do not have the skills to work in our hospitals, I know for a fact that many nurses employed that way either do not speak or understand English and some actually when on the wards can be found hiding in toilets waiting for the end of the shift. Overworked regular staff do not have the time to chase up these wasters.
This just isn't right. Will this spineless government get us out of the EU it is crippling the country.
People coming here from Eastern European countries should be entitled to exactly the same benefits we would be if we went to their country . No more. No less.
I think I will start a coach company offering free trips from Eastern Europe to the UK with payment being 10% commission of their £250/week benefits. Think, if I could bring in over million people, thats £25 million a week profit. Easy money isnt it? Its about time benefits were limited to how much you put into the state system. ie, you can only draw benefit for the amount of NI you have paid in.
How come these foreigners can claim £250 a week (£1,000 a month) when as a pensioner having lived and paid all taxes as required of me all through my working life not having claimed a penny off the state along the way, I only get £320 a month State Pension which I am expected to live on? Life is certainly not fair for the over 60's in this country although we are still expected to pay our bills and respect those in authority. Someone is having a laugh - at every pensioner's expense.
Anyone who mistakenly thinks that you can get more benefits in the UK than in other European countries should go look at the OECD benefits and wages database which is available online.
Please, please get us out of Europe before we all descend into madness. It's just not good for our morale.
All you DM readers, you voted Tory , perhaps some of you even voted for cameron as leader of the tories - did you seriously expect them to do anything about this. Cameron is a labour/lib-dem polictian and a europhile, he couldn't give a damn about standing up for and protecting British interests - it may affect his future job prospects in europe. The only thing cameron will really stand up for is cameron. If this annoys you, you know what to do at the coming elections. If you vote yes to AV, it may upset the tories so much they'll dump the shyster.
Stop panicing. I think you'll find that most East Europeans actually come to the UK to WORK, not simply claim benefits. Stop using the foreigners as an escape goat. It's quite sickening. Of course, there'll be some that play the system, just like a hell of a lot of native Brits abuse the system. I some times really despair at the kind of comments left by the readers of this paper. Educate yourselves and stop looking to blame "the others".
To be fair, this isn't Cameron's doing - it's due to a treachorous stitch-up by the last Labour government and which is now rearing its ugly head. Question is, will Cameron do anything about it? With a Cabinet composed of wet Tories, hard-left Lib Dems and Europhiles it's highly unlikely. We need the tough stance of a right-wing government for there to be any hope of issues like immigration and the EU being properly sorted out.
That's ridiculous, the title makes it think like we only come over here to receive benefits. I've lived in UK short of 5 years, never claimed a penny, never was on any sort of benefits. No, I can't afford a flat screen TV, holidays abroad nor even my own flat (I'm single and renting a room from a lovely British couple), simply because I'd rather save what's left from my salary for a rainy day, not splurge everything on paying off credits cards and whatnot. And I do not earn much. Perhaps what you should tackle first is work-shy people who have been off for years because of their addictions or 'a cough'. I find paying for alcoholics and drug addicts ridiculous. I pay my taxes here as well, regardless of my nationality, and I find this abusive. If you're stupid enough to get yourself in drugs or booze drinking that is your problem. As well I came here to work, I do now know how some people can just sit on their bottoms all day claiming benefits. Seriously, what kind of sad life is that?
When I was unemployed, I didn't get £250 a week. Why do we treat foreigners who have done nothing for this country but scrounge given more money than those that have paid taxes for years. If this is the 'benefits' of the EU, I want out.
They will be treated the same as Britons??? I don't think so. Many years ago when my then partner was laid off from his job, we weren't entitled to anything, excpet job seekers allowance (I even wrote to Alistair Darling to get an explaination), but these foreigners can get Job seekers, housing benefit and council tax benefits....so how is that the same?
Easy solution put the application form in English. no help allowed. It would even stop some of our home grown low life from claiming. Make the form complex enough and problem solved. That's how the French deal with it.
it makes you proud to be apart of the EU con , not !
Can someone please explain to me WHY my son who lost his job after 6 years of working since leaving school, struggled so hard to get benefits? He was unemployed for 4 months until he found another job. It was made very difficult for him to claim job seekers allowance. In the end, he gave up and I gave him money to live on. Why is it so easy for foreigners to get benefits when my son, who is an honest and good hearted young man, could not? Just wish he would leave the UK and come to Oz!!!
Unbelievable
That's ridiculous, the title makes it think like we only come over here to receive benefits. I've lived in UK short of 5 years, never claimed a penny, never was on any sort of benefits. No, I can't afford a flat screen TV, holidays abroad nor even my own flat (I'm single and renting a room from a lovely British couple), simply because I'd rather save what's left from my salary for a rainy day, not splurge everything on paying off credits cards and whatnot. And I do not earn much. Perhaps what you should tackle first is work-shy people who have been off for years because of their addictions or 'a cough'. I find paying for alcoholics and drug addicts ridiculous. I pay my taxes here as well, regardless of my nationality, and I find this abusive. If you're stupid enough to get yourself in drugs or booze drinking that is your problem. As well I came here to work, I do now know how some people can just sit on their bottoms all day claiming benefits. Seriously, what kind of sad life is that?
They are cutting education,cutting the forces extending retirement, for what? Yes that is right, to give to foreigners so that they can have a better life style than people who have put money into this country. In addition, despite the depressing state of the country's finances and huge cut backs, we are 'giving' £450 million to subsidise education projects in Pakistan. Are our so called leaders listening? The people of this country are suffering, wake up. Or are we going to be an ongoing JOKE?
Whoever is making these stupid decisions need to be admitted to a mental health establishment ASAP, and the European migrants deported! You can have that sensible information from me for free
Freedom of movement.. yeh great... except every Latvian, Romaninan and Pole wants to come here and none of us want to go there. And to Cameron and Clegg... this is supposed to be a democracy... let the people of Britain have our say on the EU because after the Labour years you are continuing to ruin our country 'big style'!
Chaos (EU) rules, the end of Britain is at hand or is it? We have a weak government thatÂ’s made weaker by its bedfellows the third party pretender Liberals. Until people of Britain realise that the BNP isnÂ’t the enemy but a patriotic force that will put Britain first the injustices of Brussels will continue!
i am angry !! i am a pensioner and i do not get any benefit as i have a small extra pension that my late husband paid into. if we had spent every penny we had we would get all benefits going but it instead going to others that have never but a penny in the kitty.
Roll up-- Roll up! Free money que here! Sorry old chap you dont qualify--- its for immigrants only!
The benefits should not be made available until they have worked and contributed a reasonable amount of UK taxes etc. For example Kiwi's on entering Australia from NZ cannot claim any benefits for 6 months. Fair enough. It should be the same across the board in the EU.
Yet another kick in the teeth for us Brits, bring back the raving lunatic party so I can vote for them, they made more sense than this gov. has done,
So let me get this straight, we've got free money to give to everyone who actually comes here from Eastern Europe to Eritrea, give vast sums to wealthy, corrupt countries for them to spend on anything they want without monitoring, give even vaster sums to the European Union to do the same without question, vast amounts to the banks, MPs, MEPs, unwinnable wars etc. WOW.......I'd be running to this land of milk and honey too and be pinching myself that it's all true. There is absolutely no need to speak english either. It beggars belief that beaurocrats can do this, whilst ignoring the indiginous population who are trying to scream out loud but have no say whatsoever, except at election time. I am so angry.
>>>>> Don't you just these Tories. Talk hard before they gain power but turn into little mouses when in power. At least with Labour you knew what you would get .-Neil, Brentford, 25/4/2011 10:59 <<<< Re the Tories - I agree. Re Labour - you,Sir, are a dope.
Only Nick Griffin has pledged himself to sort out this mess. Roll-on the election.
I was born and bred in England. Five weeks ago I lost my job - I am 56. All I can claim is £67 per week. This is to pay my mortgage, council tax, utilities, food, in effect, everything. My £67 per week does not even pay my mortgage. I have been told I can claim nothing else. I am at my wits end. I don't know what to do. I know I will lose my house while these people from abroad can come in and claim everything and more. Where is that fair?
While Cameron and Clegg are fighting over AV, they would do well to get a grip on this situation - NOW!
Just to remind everyone here it is again below. "The Department for Work and Pensions insisted that the rule changes will not mean people will be able simply to come to the UK and start claiming benefits – because there will be strict tests. " Lets come back to that in a year, shall we?
Beware Cameron & Clegg, it's rot like this that will turn our nation to BNP God forbid - but it will happen unless you WAKE UP!!!
Where are our guys who talk tough on benefits now, i.e. Ian Duncan Smith and David Cameron? Not even a whimper?? At a time when many genuine British benefit claimants are being labelled scum and being put through 'unfit for purpose' tests in a drive to cut our benefit bill we open up the system to the whole of Eastern Europe. Kick a million of our people off benefits and replace them with 3 million Eastern Europeans... where's the sense in that? RIP Great Britain... this really will be your final curtain call. Regardless of politics it looks like UKIP and BNP are our only (and last!) hopes.
Well, we voted for our current shower of MPs - so IT IS OUR FAULT . You probably don't like this answer but it is the truth. Next time vote UKIP or BNP.
Terrific. My pension has just been 'raised' to £96 a week.
I have just got to get out of this twisted politically correct dump just as soon as I can. Cameron is just as useless and impotent as the previous bunch of idiots.
Why on earth would they want to claim social security here when it is shockingly the lowest in Europe.
"The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,Â’ she said. WHY do we have to pay these people more benefits than they would gert in their country of origin?? Surely the solution is to offer them the same rate of benefit they would get from their country of origin which would deter these scroungers from exploiting us as they would get no more! This country is a joke, taxpayers are being taking for mugs by the government who are not looking after their wage payers and bosses, an absolute disgrace!!!!!
Cameron, you have to stop this nonsense dead in it's tracks, and soon, or you will find a mob, similar to Egypt, in Parliament Square. We, the People have Had Enough......so Do
Another insult piled onto us by useless politicians. How long before ordinary decent hard working BRITISH people take to the streets - French style?
Untill the people wake up and see whats happening and the disastrous effects it will have on their children etc they will carry on like sheep being interested in what they have and watching soaps on TV, FGS wake up sheeple before we lose our country and OUR rights completely
Then there's talk of cutting cold weather payments and free bus passes to pensioners, has this Government lost the plot already ,who are they looking after us or immigrants,it makes you wonder are they interested in the taxpayers or just themselves having an easy ride on good pay, get a grip before its to late .
After Blair & Brown it's no change under Cameron. Probably the most left wing PM the Tories have ever had.
Truth hurts but if we kick out the immigrants who is going to work as cleaner, pot washer and fruit picker, our home grown darlings that leave school with no qualifications and playing video games all day long and wake up around 1pm? Plus, don't be so concerned about immigrants saying that benefits over here are higher than their home country salaries. £450 back there covers the rent and living costs, over here it would not even cover the rent.
I am utterly bewilderd!!!!!Some one please tell me I am dreaming. We take in immigrants,legally or illegally,makes no difference as once they are in they are here for good. We pay uk people Not to work??....We give aid to countries far better financially than uk, we promote minority interests at the expense of the majority. We are financially in debt as a nation. COME ON!!!!1 there must be some one to organise things for the benefit of the uk!!! I despair.
Countries like Finland, Sweden, Germany, France and Spain I believe their citizens deserve to come to UK as there are alot of us Britts there enjoying good lives. For example I moved to Finland and have all same rights as Finns. BUT the Eastern European countries are not giving back as much as they are taking and this is why the EU freedom rule is not fair. If an EU citizen enters UK and goes on benefits then they need to be MADE to attend English classes and maybe some other unpaid work so that they get work experience and also give something back. When Finns come to UK, they recieve Finnish benefits until they get a job. It should be the same with every country.
Don't you just these Tories. Talk hard before they gain power but turn into little mouses when in power. At least with Labour you knew what you would get. This shower lied to gain power and have done nothing to stop immigration. Groups such as the EDL are the way forward. Direct action.
Explain to me again why the young unemployed cant get a job? Explain to me again why we give more generous benefits than the rest of the EU? Explain to me again why we need the EU? Explain to me again why we should trust our MP's with looking after our country?
Im petrified because im working and can't afford to pay my council tax and i earn the same amount as them (£250) a week , if i packed in work ,i could probably get the same amount on disability benefit(previous car accident) and unemployement then i would have no worries ,the wages barely cover my bills and i go without food to pay council tax ,yet the benefit claiments never have my worries ,i have found out that council tax bailiffs are calling on more people that are working on low income than unemployed on benefit this country is so confusing ,no wonder its easier not to work . when will this country work for us im fed up with being told go to your benefits office etc etc then being told your on high wages (how can it be high when im on the same amount as a benefit claiment) so you dont qualify for any help . where do i go from here maybe i will pack in work and eat regular meals again and never have bailiffs knocking .
Are they having a laugh!! Me and my faily moved to spain and we didnt get no help at all. We had to ge translaters who we had too pay for ourselves. We had to find our own home too live. And now foreigners come in too our country and get more money than English, that is just sick. no wonder this bloody country is the way it is!! I'm on job seekers and i have been for 6 months and every time i go in there they moan at me because i havent got a job yet! but the people fromother countries dont even bother loooking for a job. i can hardly live on £200 a month. and yet they get £1000 a month!! that is hardly fair!! This country is a JOKE!!!
WHY? WHY? WHY? the decision makers here should be jailed! the country is in a dreadful state with thousands unemployed and losing their homes, and what does the government do? It hands out the tax payers money to immigrants. Truly appalled. Cameron, get some balls and get out of the EU. Labour got us into this mess and I can't see that you're about to get us out. Pathetic!
What idiots allowed this to happen in the first place. Dave, Tamworth Probably New Labour idiots. However Lib/Con have similar idiots.
Absolute disgrace. The government tries to stop people voting for extremist parties then agrees to this which will drive people to the BNP. The government is totally out of touch with public opinion and is only interested in what Europe says. The benefits culture and immigration are totally out of control in this country, why arent benefit claimants having their unearned handouts frozen for 2 years and cut by 10% like I have had to in my job. It makes no sense to work anymore as those on minimum wage get less than those on benefits. This country is not interested in its hardworking taxpayers, they only want to look after immigrants/assylum seekers and benefit scroungers who are nothing but a burden to the state. I cant put in words how angry this makes me without resorting to expletives!
UK should get out of EU. In no time UK would be poor having to pay the benfits to this influx of immigrants!
I have been told that the government and councils are making a list of larger houses with vacant spare rooms ( 4 beds +) and owners will be forced to accommodate immigrants and the homeless in these rooms. Not surprising when the country is running out properties and of money for welfare benefits!
this country just gets worse and worse. I don't think there is any other country in the world which gives preferential treatment to immigrants whilst indigenous people are treated as second class citizens with less and less rights. It is this sort of action that will unfortunately give groups such as BNP more power and influence. Maybe that is what this country needs, let the BNP in and have a mass departure of all these foreigners who just want a free meal ticket.
"A poll has found that most of the public want an end to the ‘something for nothing’ benefits system." For goodness sake, the "poll" was not representative of "the public" but relates to less than .004% of the population. Yes, 33% of 2,407 polled said this but it is not necessarily representative - please stop this irrational statistics game. 99% of the population want to see the heads of MPs on pikes around Parliament and that's a far more realistic statistic than those quoted from the duplicitous DWP who conveniently released the results of the poll in order to distract the media - it seems to be working. Can we have some real investigative reporting rather than spouting figures that satisfy our particular colour of politics while ignoring those that don't - accurate reporting allows people to make informed decisions. The £10billion we now have to pay to the EU could solve our own problems at home by creating jobs so that people can get off benefits themselves.
We are the mad hatters of Europe - thanks to our cretinous politicians.WE WANT OUT , CAMERON. DO YOU HEAR!!!
This can't be a one way street, there must be a common level of benefits through out the EU.
i am working in the post office and pensioners come every monday to collect their pension. it's around £120-160 a week and you pay those Europeans £250? i myself think that the immigrant problem comes inside EU not anywhere else. they could come here and look for job without the need for a work permit. so all the unemployed from bankrupt countries like Greece, Spain just fly here and steal our job or just live off our benefits! Enough is enough!!!
It's becoming perfectly clear that the EU - with Cameron's complete compliance - has designated the UK as the Continent's offshore benefits camp. All those who the EU federal state can't use or doesn't want are to be shipped to the UK where they can't cause trouble or be a financial drain on the super state. In the next few years UK industry and power generating capacity will not be capable of supporting a modern independent industrial nation - we already import 60% of our food and a reliable power supply isn't necessary if most of the population is unemployed or economically inactive. This is the nightmare they've planned for us.
So even though we have no money and are cutting benefits for British people, even though we have an 8 YEAR housing wait, and there are not enough jobs for British people, we will now just let everyone in to take what they want. Imagine what schools, hospitals, police, courts etc. will be dealing with when another 50 million immigrants come knocking.
That's more than a lot of people earn, the BNP are starting to look attractive, we've been sold out, literally. - Worker, UK, 25/4/2011 8:51 That's if you even have the option to vote for the BNP. At the council elections here in Leeds, a large multicultural, multiracial city, next month the BNP can only manage to field just 2 candidates across the 33 available seats. It seems that they either cannot get people to represent them or they can't afford them.
ANOTHER PROMISE BROKEN..................WAY TO GO 'CALL ME DAVE'!!!! UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP ( No more clues 'sheeple'!!!!!!)
What do you mean "get out of the EU"?, It's the pathetic british governments' fault. It doesn't happen here in Spain. Migrants to Spain, whether from the EU or not, do not qualify for any money at all until they have paid into the System for a Minimum of TWO years. Wake up the UK before you go bust and sink into the north sea.
As regards the Pope's Easter Message, perhaps the Vatican City should take its fair quota of fleeing North African refugees. After all, there would be plenty of money to help support them. Now lets see, how many thousands of refugees would that be?
How dan they claim so much??? Many of us in Wales DON`T EVEN EARN THAT MUCH A WEEK.
Surely the answer is, deduct the cost to the british taxpayer for this travesty of a policy, from the amount we have to pay to the EU for the dubious benefit of being a member. Then, spread the cost of that deduction across the countries whose citizens are benefitting from our largesse. That would concentrate the minds of the brainless politicians who are responsible for such ridiculous policies.
Why are you allowing this to happen.You really need to get rid of the PM and goverment you have in power.
and a basic pension for the UK is .....! a lot of people have to live on that.
God up goes my blood pressure again, WHY are we giving money to immigrants when young people born and bred in this country are paid a pittance why the try to look for non -existant jobs and it left to their families to help them out ,come into thiscountry and we almost wait at the airports, docks to give money to others, this Country is a immigrants paradise, go to their Countries and try to get money, no chance !!!!!!!!!!!! It must be at every airport and docks a large sign saying WAIT HERE FOR TRANSPORT TO THE COUNTRY THAT WILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING AND EXPECT NOTHING BACK WAS CALLED GREAT BRITAIN BUT IS NOW CALLED FREEBYLAND.
They are going to flock here and it is already unbearable with a third of all pupils at our local school from Eastern Europe. Why dont our givernment deal with the problem like other European countries have and opt out. I have even heard that Poles are taking their working tax credit whilst working in Poland!!
And will the EU or their Country of origin pay for them NO it will be us as per ususal. Time to get out of the yoke of the EU. It has turned into a club for people who had pretentions of power, and now they have it. I want £250.00 a week, Heavens that would be a luxury for me, but I have No rights I was born here and have to put up with this. Maybe I should go and leech off of some other Country- bet they would not allow me entry, let alone any benefits!
Rubbish DM.
The UK is Doomed !!!!!!
Ah, so thats why you have stolen my pension! Having worked all my life I now find out that I will not qualify for the pension rise in 2015 and will have to tighten my belt even further but at least I can rest easy in the knowledge that thousands who never have and never will benefit this country are living better than me. This country is a bl**dy joke!!
They will all come here is the answer. Young people always want to travel & the promise of free money & good housing & healthcare is going to be a huge incentive. The EU will destroy itself when the 1st world economies drown under the weight of wealth redistribution as we already see is happening
And millions of us pensioners won't even get the £140 a week these idiots are promising - existing pensioners restricted to current level of £102 (or the princely sum of £163 for a couple, if you're married). The foreigners get twice what we get and have contributed nothing. Out of the EU - right now!
The truth is, you cannot stay in the UK unless you have a job; they cannot just come and claim benefits,
A life long Conservative I will NEVER vote again for Dave if this goes through...UKIP for me
This is rediculas!! why should they get £250!! they were not born in this county there for there not British. Our government should be taking care of the BRITSH people. I personally think non British citizens should not be able to claim any type of benefits even after any amount of time spent in this country. SORT ENGLAND OUT FIRST then everyone else
What is wrong with this country giving taxpayers money away , when will this government stand up for the taxpayers and speak out, instead of just bleating on regarding how much debt we are in I WONDER WHY COULD IT BE ANYTHING RELATED TO OUR GIVE AWAY BENEFIT SYSTEM.
Glad 2B Gone, Philippines, Yeah, the BNP will sort out, says Glad 2B Gone all the way from the Philippines! HYPOCRITE!!! I'm a British Citizen now, but I have dual nationality because I was not born in Britain. I'm all for people from other nations to better themselves here, but this is way too much and extremely unfair to the nationals. Cameron, you are making a big, BIG mistake here!
"so the only way out of this mess is to vote UKIP michael french, crawley w sussex, " ---- same scum different name
briton the land of milk and honey, every one welcome, you dont need to have paid into the system, we are awash with money we dont know what to do with it, hurry it will be only standing room soon
yet more lazy drunken Europeans walking down our street laughing at the likes of me while i am on my way to work for them..
This is simply outrageous, we already have workshy and feckless parasites in the mega millions claiming benefits - can someone please tell me why we need to encourage more of them to come here and claim a free living? It becomes more obvious by the day why both NuLieba and the ConDemnation parties REFUSE to give the British people a referendum over Europe, or are they both going to wait until there are so many immigrants here that their vote will be a yes? And you wonder why extremist parties are on the rise?
MADDNESS! While all the UK has to suffer because of BliarNBrown's handling of the economy, there triplet Camercon, allows what little is left, to flow into the hands of people who've contributed nothing to Britain!!!
Does this mean that I can claim £250 per week if I come back? No I don't think so either , I'm just one of the pillocks that paid in all my working life ,and my wife who took time off to raise the kids gets £260 a MONTH in pension , Thanks Dave I wonder when you are going to grow a pair and start looking after us Brits
Don't this just make you so angry, every day I read about this type of thing, and it is in every walk of life, from NHS wallies getting car allowances to judges claiming god knows what,to immigrants walking into this country and being set up for life, and the real Handicapped people of this country being hammered with cuts, I'm not talking about the "Walking Stick" wounded scroungers, or the "blue Badge" fiddlers, but the genuine handicapped, (example) my brother who is mentally and physically handicapped who is 67yrs old has the mental age of someone about 6years old was called to a tribunal to see if he was fit for work yet ther are people who have scrounged for years will never be assesed, A VERY ANGRY PERSON>
What is it going to take to get us out of the EU,we are being taken for pure mugsin this country. In the original referendum I voted to stay out of the EU as it was obvious then it would'nt work,there was always going to someone who would lose out to the less well off. Well we did and big time.
But the majority will STILL vote for the Lib/Lab/Con!
Europe will be the ruin of us all. Wake up brits before its too late & the jackboot takes over
for gods sake how soon can we have a ukip or bnp government to bring some sense back into the country.
Keep voting LibLabCon ( the EU puppets ) and this will only get worse . do you get it people ? vote any thing but LiblabCon on May 5 but DDOOOOO vote . This is your chance to kick them in the ballot box . Put the frighteners on them or watch Britain become the dumping ground of EUrope .
I have worked and paid taxes from the time I was 16 to when I retired age 67. I get a pension of £448.88 a MONTH! The goverment tells me this is the minimum I need to live on. Surely this cannot be allowed to continue,.Is it any wonder the country is in debt! They manage to find the fare to get here.I fear this country is heading for civil war. Lets hope UKIP get in and sort this out as soon as possible.
Non of this will be reported by the BBC either. Those paid monkeys never have a bad word to say about the EU. That propaganda machine for the Government knows which side their bread is buttered.
I doubt East Europeans would be able to come here (Spain) and claim benefits immediately. It's a British issue. Don't blame the EU. Put your own house in order !
This is crazy !! people who have worked here and paid there taxes for most of their lives will get, as pensioners, a lot less than the immigrants that will come here. Where's the money coming from ?/ YES you got it ...the people who are now working in UK. and when the money runs out...what happens then ?? I'm gonna vote BNP or UKIP next time...these idiots who are in now don't care about what will happen in the future cos they will not be around then.
Just out of interest, if I moved my wife and two kids to any of these East European countries what would I be able to claim?? Would make a good story DM
From what I have personally witnessed the foreign migrants do make an effort to work, it is the home grown indigenous dead beat benefit claimants whom bleed us all dry. That said our benefits system should not be any more advantageous than the worst of any EU member country has to offer.
Suffer our own..typical.
This is simply crackers.
Labour has done us in real good, we spend ages constructing a fair working system and tightening our doors to secure us from the worlds relentless advantage takers and then back came The Labour Party like bitter maniacs quietly loosening the screws and dismantling everything that's built in the name of keeping us safe, They evidently truly hate their own country and should just leave and live in one of their beloved communist comrade ones whos nest they are more interested in feathering cos we are sick to death of dealing with the blind damage they all constantly do under the evil banner of PCism over here
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO AND NO AGAIN. We are being taken for a ride yet again. Are other EU countries paying foreign incomers this kind of benefits ? I think not.
so sick of this country most of us work damned hard and for what? for this crap government to take a major percentage f our pay off us and give it to foreigners skivers and themselves!! there are genuine claimants out there but for god sake stop taking our money for the rest! who do we vote for who can we trust ?? i dont know do you?
I moved to Finland 13 years ago from UK & was welcomed with open arms. I got benefits straight away while I was looking for a job BUT I didn't abuse the system & have been in work here even though I struggled with the language. Also When the Finns go to UK they get benefits from Finland until they find a job in UK! You will find there are not many Finns on benefits there & nearly all work. It helps that Finns speak good English already but this is the difference between west EU countries & East ones. If people coming from EU countries are on benefits then make it a rule that they HAVE to attend English classes! Then language is not an exuse to getting a job. & we can't attack western EU people from coming to UK as there are many of us Britts in France, Spain, Germany & Sweden.
Ah, so that's why the government have hastily put millions of people on so called 'training schemes' giving millions of tax payers money to private companies, where unemployed people are swiftly given their P45s and are totally off the unemployment figures. They're sat there, in detention centres which are mandatory for 13 weeks, staring at four walls in overcrowded rooms bored witless then are meted out to do 'placements' for nothing and not even a chance of a job after it. If you don't attend you're off the figures for 6 months and more with no money whatsoever. Then this Euro influx will come over, get everything they want, whilst the people of the UK will be homeless and begging on the streets. Nice one... NOT!
Suffer our own..typical.
deplorable no wonder the world laughs at us,all sitting in poverty deprivation the country is bankrupt, just like most of the citizens i wonder where the £250 a week is coming from
no wonder people in this country will have to work longer to get their pension when we have to pay for immigrants who never pay anything into this country we need a revolution to get out of this corrupt europe
Another disaster inherited from Labour. God help us. Have we not got enough foreigners infesting us ? We just cannot afford all the wretched EU regulations relating to EU immigrants.
A vibrant economy, not meager benefits will attract migrants who, in turn, will be good for that economy. The removal of these restrictions means that the German and Austrian labour markets are open to them for the first time. Where will they go I wonder. It's the bankers, not migrants who ruined the UK job market.
Why do these rules only apply with countries that reciprocate with the same rates and benefits as us lets have thing fair, if we go anywhere in the EU we have to have insurance and pay to see doctors and pay for medication this EU is a very one sided affair
Benefits should be stopped persay as half of people on them are taking us for a ride. Only the sick and vulnerable should be allowed them. They should also stop giving benefits for more than 3 children - anymore and they should not be included in any benefit system. Perhaps that would have the desired effect of making everyone go back. Think how much money we would save to put towards NHS and pensions. We need a strong minded person leading us who will not be influenced by any of the whining do-gooders as our huge welfare state is killing this country.
more crime and benefit scroungers why should they get money that i as a taxpayer and a pensioner and cant even get apenny pension credit because i have a few pounds to much to quolify for it im not a second class citizen i am a third class1 jean london
Can somebody please tell me, is it just the UK that is so generous towards foreigners, or do France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Austrla, Sweden offer the same benefits ?
You got what you voted for people. Many of us said the only way to get out of this madness was to vote BNP, and we were right. Oh, and Pope, I hear there are many rooms in your Vatican palaces. You will be taking in African refugees in then I expect?
I've nothing against letting in limited numbers of workers from overseas when we need them but this new ruling will attract the very people this country doesn't want. We have enough lazy dossers in this country who do not intend to work, we don't want the rest of Europe's trash aswell.
What idiots allowed this to happen in the first place. Stop immigration and all its benefits now and see if they want to stay then. Get out of europe as they are bleeding us dry with nothing in return. We can only afford one government, one that we control and elect.
My parents worked so hard for 50 years, plus l did for for years before suffering a stroke and sadly had to leave my job. l do not receive £250.00 per week , nor anything like that amount , WHY do my and my parents NI and TAXES, go to newcomers, and not to those who have paid into the system all their lives ?
I feel 'sick'............
The countries simply going from very bad to very very bad !!! Lets get this country out of the EU and out of this disastrous mess contrived by the Brussels sprouts of the EU bureaucratic Human Rights simpletons.We are steadily being invaded and stripped of our sovereignty by the products of famine, deprivation, and wars, and by jumped up lawyers from other countries of the EU readily dictating who we let in, and who we can or cannot send out after committing serious crimes within the country, what we can, and cant do in our own country is a matter for OUR parliament to decide and NOT the EU, we have all the worlds worst criminals from out of Europe being fed and clothed by the courtesy of silly public of jelly back UK tax payers, and equally soft and inept politicians who are falling out with their own shadows whilst trying to fix the voting system to suit their own egos. I like the UKiP idealism of an independence from this EU dictatorship and an end to multiculturalism
I was bor here and have worked and paid taxes for over 50yrs and I do not get anything like that much as a pension why is it a foriener can get what I do not.
"Critics are concerned about the risk of ‘benefits tourism’ by immigrants from the eight former Communist countries affected." ------------ there is no 'risk', it has already been happening for YEARS. Do our MP's live with their head buried in the sand?
So, the eastern European can start claiming benefits as soon as they get here? Yet other migrants who cant claim benefit but come here to study are facing tougher migration rules. Which is more profitable to UK, those that can come and claim benefit or those that come to spend their money on education and pay taxes without expecting benefits? Just a tought
We should get out of the EU.
Great way to solve an immigration problem, tempt people in with free money! Who could say no?
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. - Alan, London UK, 25/4/2011 8:12 Do all European countries offer the same benefits as the UK? can you move there and get your rent paid and money to live on for as long as you like? NO! It is not comparing like with like. If you want to come to Spain, you have to work one year before you get dole and then you only get 4 months. You can transfer years worked in another EU country to give you teh maximum of 2 years dole. After 2 years, that is it. There is no housing benefit, practically no social housing. It is time the EU did decide the only common policy that would be popular. The one on common benefits. This would stop the benefits tourism or at least reduce it.
Any incoming immigrants should only get the same benefits that their country would give them, not the mad benefits that seem to pour out of our pockets into theirs.---There is nothing to stop two or three times this many coming in to Britain, which seems unbelievable madness, some thing has to be done at Government level to restrict levels of immigration, and if the cannot, then we must leave European Union.---We the British people must dictate to them, and if the Government doesnÂ’t listen to us, then we must make them listen, the ONLY way this can happen is to VOTE UKIP.
Agree with Eileen, Lancashire and Kathleen West Yorks. The three main parties need a kick up the and Cameron is more spin than substance. This country is not spoilt for choice when it comes to political parties, at the next election many Labour supporters will vote BNP. Many lifelong Tory supporters I know will vote UKIP. At a fund raising pre election function I said to my local MP David Cameron never mentions the I word. The response was "Well you know", I said "well he cannot keep ignoring it for ever". Come on David you kip at the nation and your own peril. Cameron is hoping this latest EU absurdity will get buried by the Royal Weding and the waste of time and tax payers money the AV referendum.
we cant go on like this, the Uk should NOT be in the EU because its not a level playing field, all we do is give give give, they take our jobs our homes our benefits and even our rights to freedom of speech and what do we get in return, unemployment benefit we have to beg and plead for, privet rented houses because its almost impossible for people to get social housing and our freedom of speech is now classed as racism! they are destroying us and our beautiful country and there is no other country in the EU can we go to and get the same treatment! If the UK stays in the EU then the EU or their own countries should be made to foot the bill to cover the costs for these people, it seems the whole world is leeching of us right now and bleeding us dry and none of the main parties give a dam about their own people.
Problem is we only got rid of a few of the idiots that were running Parliament, the remainder are still in there and we've not even touched the surface of those running the system and the country! They're an absolute disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
We cannot afford to pay pensioners who have paid into the scheme for years £140 per week under the new proposals but we can give £250 a week to foreigners who have paid nothing into the country? I think we desperately need to change our MPs. 200 MPs and 200 peers should be enough to govern our tiny island.
My family is already £60 worse off each month. It might not sound much but when you have children to feed and the cost of living has risen, it all adds up. We don't have holidays or days out simply because we can't afford the luxury. It sickens me to know my Husband pays taxes to support people who don't do a thing to support our society. We're a joke of a country, we're an easy target for these people.
As a country this is our fault, we allow this to happen, then we sit back winge an mona, probarbly half of us do not vote, so people are put in charge of this country who just feel to run us into the ground. When you have worked everyday since for many years and would not claim a penny in benefits, and people are happy to come here to take what they can for free, just be happy knowing that you have higher morals and self respect than those that sponge off us. If you come to this country and work hard for a better life, then why not, I have many eastern european friends that do that, but the rest are no better than the benefit waste of space scum that we have born and raised in the uk, this has and always will be an issue, that basically we can do nothing about, so save your breath chin up and smile knowing your not a scrounging scum bag.
Its UKIP for me on 5 May.
Just run this country into the ground just a little bit more...you've done a swell job so far!
This just gets worse. England is FULL. We need to stop paying benefits to foreigners, (and a lot of idle English as well). When is the government going to take some action? MPs have about 12 weeks summer holiday when they could sort this out once and for all. Leave the EU while they are at it. They could have included this vote with the AV one; the turnout would then have been a lot higher.
OH WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD (GRAVY TRAIN)
Honestly people I dont agree with the bnp or ukip in many aspects but lets face it the current goverments have destroyed our country there the only chance at stopping things like this.
Get out of EU we are being ripped off by everyone. The only people suffering from this is the British taxpayer. Our governments are a joke.
We must get out of the EU now, and the only way we are going to do this is to vote for UKIP on 5th of May!
If you want to know how to deal with this, simply make sure UKIP get your vote, their manifesto reads 'Ensure UK benefits are only available to those who have lived here for at least five years'. That's as well as their promise to regain control of our borders with immigrants from both outside and inside Europe as they would introduce time-limited work permits for people wishing to come and work in the UK. How can the LibLabCon say they put the interests of British citizens first when they are making sure our taxpayer's money is constantly given away into foreign hands?
The only chance for you all is BNP !
get out now!!!!! or we will lose our country forever what will be left for our children!! a waste land
Well then thats the crime rate going to quadruple now!!
When it comes down to it, it is we Englishmen who should be blamed for all this confirmation of our spineless cowardice over the past decades, allowing those in control of our land, make countless measures which successfully neutered us as an entity and left us effectively disenfranchised in our own country. And as for regaining the valour, spirit and national pride that saw off Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler with this modern (brainwashed) generation? - forget it. Never in history has the character and moral fibre of a nation changed so radically within such a short period. IÂ’m afraid it is all too late now, we English are consigned to the dustbin of history.
Can anyone tell me what derivable benefit do we get from this whole EU expensive nonsense?
This is your watch CAMERON what can you do about it?. I like many go out to work and yet £1000 per month can be given to those who don't and never have paid into our TAX SYSTEM...........It STINKS. If our people went into any other EU countries would they be given FREE CASH?. I don't think so.
If the UK doesn't get of of the EU it's finished.it is impotent at this stage,unable to pass laws to stop its decline,only the UKIP or BNP will do anything about this decline.
No jobs for BRITS ,plus we are told your benefit claiming days are numbered and now this lot are allowed in and have paid nothing into the system,but they can claim everything .DONT WORRY THE GOVERNMENT WILL SORT IT OUT ,ha ha ha ha
Blair did climb into bed with all the EU crowd in Brussels, but it was Heath who started the rot, by dragging us into the EE back in the seventies. No referendum, no consultation then; just took us in blindly and got away with it. Yes, UKIP might be our only hope, but just try convincing the guilable public who tend to believe one manifesto after the other. Tom. - always hopeful -
And there is nothing we can do about it....Them and us...This country is doomed.
we can not pay the EU and the immigrants so which one is it to be remember the country is almost broke
I've payed my taxes all my life. I bet if i went to claim for anything I'd be sent packing empty handed. Thanks to Tony Blair who signed us into EU for everything that does'nt benefit us but benefits is wife.If we don't get a grip we'll be brought down to a third world country . - martin l, skem, 25/4/2011 09:09 I WAS sent packing Martin! 50 years old & worked every day that I could. & told to move to a one bed house, from a two, so I could get help with my rent, having been forced to rent by our ludicrously slanted divorce laws, which Tony Bliar helped to slant even more in favour of women! Not voting for the main three ever again ! ! ! ! !
We have to get out of the Euro Joke shop Now! it is the only way to stop this disgrace of paying people money who have never paid a single peeny into the UK.
The Blair clone has done nothing to stop our taxes being used by foreigners. I have paid taxes for 47 years and my pension is less than this!!!!!! Who will save us from the Political Liars?
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them - Tucker, Barrow-in-Furness, 25/4/2011 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The UK taxpayers shouldn't have to fund this because Visa's from the US, Canada, Australia, and other English Speaking countries have a surcharge to pay for translators.
OK, so exactly how many Britons have claimed housing and unemployment benefit in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Slovenia? My bet is it is none - or very few! The EU has become a nonsense. Our Prime Minister is just a career MP and says what he thinks we want to hear at any one time. Empty promises. Empty vessel. Vote FOR the AV. Vote FOR UKIP or BNP and we may get something done about this ghastly United States of Europe, before they bleed us dry. Our ancestors must be turning in their graves at the assault we have allowed on our shores.
please please please please vote for UKIPif your own party refuses to give us a referendum on the EU.The lib dems are gutless labour lied through thier teeth cameron and his tory millionaires have conned the public so the only way out of this mess is to vote UKIP
I think its disgusting that hard working BRITS are having our monies cut such as the 80% normally paid for child care for working couples now dropping to 70%. So if we work we get less support and there fore have to cut our hours. Conservatives are by far, the biggest let down far more than labour because we all knew they had a tendency to over spend and hand out more, where as the conservatives have not cut spending where they should have.
The scum that have ruled us have destroyed us.
British benefits have been supporting families back in Eastern Europe for years now, ironic how most of us with small families now lose child benefit whilst fathers from large families send it back abroad where it goes much further as neither do they have our expensive costs of living. Housing benefit and Income support cannot be paid if people own a property abroad but we do not bother to check these details do we? People cannot live in Cities where the jobs are due to lack of affordable housing or they have been taken over by those on benefits or students, neither can we afford the cost of travelling to work from miles outside these Cities. Social unrest is just around the corner.....
I'm sick of it vote UKIP kick the lot out and stuff Europe too.
Why go to all the trouble of paperwork? Just give them a bucket of cash and their house keys as they arrive! No country can afford a totally limitless, open system.
This is overt manipulation coupled with predictive programming. The Tavistock institute is pushing the British public into responding the way they want us to. The best response is to get our country back and throw these abusive officials into the clink for a spell.
Good news for me! As a buy to let landlord with over 80 properties with most of my clients for east Europe, I welcome the influx!! I take DSS and get my money sent to me by the DSS office. I used to be like others moaning about our money wasted and then I decided to do something about it. And now I am living the life of luxury with tens of thousands made every week. ! Thank you liebour and EU!
Why? I work part time for social services and this summer I will be loosing 28% of my salary, I work with children with challenging behaviour, front line staff so no cushy office job, (btw this cut doesn't apply to managers over 40 grand per year, so this is affecting the 'workers' who are the lowest paid) so these benefits are more than I earn eaach week but we can afford to give to those who have paid sweet FA into our system but cut the the low wages of those who do pay into the system and are the one's helping to support these immigrants with the taxes we pay. Why do those who run the country and allow these stupid laws to go ahead hate the average working tax & NI paying British man/woman?
I don't even earn £250.00 per week!
I despair. I voted UKIP. The vast majority of you who bothered to vote at all continued to vote for the LibLabConmen. You thought "Who will get Labour out? - I'll vote Conservative". You should have thought "Which party most closely reflects my desires for the country". Now you see what we are saddled with. You are Soooooooooooo intelligent.
I wonder if I decide I hate my job due to stress/pressure off bullying Managers in the NHS, that I can claim £250 a week? I am British born and bred and have worked all my life. I have certainly paid into the system. I just cannot grasp why foreigners can come here and live for free!!!!
hi i am thinking about putting my name up for the political race,whats the arrows indicators for me to join the fight to put our nationals first party,i am not kidding,whose for it,please no jokes !
DaveCook wrote: "Would it not be better to scrap all benefits and reduce taxes on employers who take people on to do work.".. As the current welfare system will soon prove totally unsustainable, blatant abuse of the system will fail those it originally set out to help, genuine jobseekers who need a helping hand to relocate and make ends meet until they start earning again. We will soon have a choice of benefits for nobody or benefits for all comers.
Another crazy decision . This is totally out of control . Its not the fault of the DHSS they are stuck . There will be blood on the street mark my words Mr C . There really is unfortunately only one move we can make "OUT OF EEC" I will vote UKIP . Europe needs us for sellings there MB and BMW's it's costing Billions for the Super MEP in their Glass palaces in Brussels . Time out.
We need to leave this corrupt EU,we did not vote for it,we are being asked to take cuts,the EU demands more and more money,it has to stop!!!! It is unjust for British people to have to fund benefits for the last EU members,we are being treated unfairly,and Clegg and Cameron are fully committed EU supporters!!!!!!
This is so wrong, this and the previous administration have had plenty of time to change to system to make the burden less for the UK! "Watch this space" it says-what rubbish! They will watch, but through rose tinted glasses and in 3yrs time, the Government will say "Oops!" we took our eye off the ball and now the Taxpayer is going to pay twice to cover the Government's mistakes, "Er, Sorry about that"
My son, who had worked here for five years and paid taxes went to the USA to study for a year to try and improve his job prospects. He came back and was not allowed benefits for 12 weeks, during which time we had to keep him, and even then he only got the minimum JSA. How come someone who has never lived here before and never paid into the system, can just walk in and claim everything. This country just Stinks now and Cameron has turned out to be as bad, if not worse, than the other jokers when it comes to being pro europe. Vote Ukip and get rid of the main parties.
Another kick in the teeth for the beleaguered British taxpayer, then they wonder why people vote for the BNP.
Judging by these comments something needs to be done to raise standard of grammar and spelling in this country before we invite anyone else to feed off the ridiculous benefit culture the dwindling number of workers pay for.
Its too late to close the gate so will the last to leave, Please put the light out.
If cameron does not take us out of the E.U he should be tried for treason
I thought that we were tightening up on immigation stupid me.
Remember Cameron is in a coalition which is currently dominated by the LIBDEM's they are the true supporters of membership of the EU they are prepared to sell their souls and ours to ensure we stay in. Clegg, Ashdown Cable and co do not give a stuff for the UK. They are only interested in the power we gave them based on three televised debates where they said anything to make themselves look good. The EU is and has always been their Holy Grail. Together with Labour, in whatever guise they try to reform to, will sell the once Great Britain into oblivion, a minor state within the EU paying an excessive share to its upkeep. A vote for AV is just the beginning, the first LABLIBDEM coalition will immediately convert that into Proportional Representation under the pressure of the minority LIBDEMs ensuring Socialist LIBDEM coalitions for evermore. Soon after that a name change will take place unifying them permanently as a left wing socialist coalition.
The EU is taking the micky and because Blair signed the Human rights act and Brown signed away the rest of our rights, we have no only two options. 1) we attempt to influence things but the FrancoGerman anti English engine at the core of teh EU wont let that happen because they are hell bent on destroying the UK. 2) we get the helll out and I'm for the this option.
Hang on, all may not be totally lost, yet! Suggestion: we should all write to our Euro MP (if we can find out who it is) and demand equal-rights, which Strasbourg and Buxelles put much emphasis on. If for instance a Latvian arrives here and is able to receive £250 per week, we should all be able to travel to other EU counties and demand the same, hence our holiday costs to any EU country could be offset by a considerable amount......five hundred quid per person for a fortnight in France or the Czech Republic would be quite acceptable to me, now go to it.....and enjoy your EU financed holiday!
This makes me very sad. £250 a week is more than my daughter earns, yet she has to pay all her own rent and bills and she's absolutely skint by the middle of the month. Something morally wrong here.......
So the OAP who has paid into the system all their working life only gets half of what an immigrant can claim. Fantastic! Where is the fairness in that?
Most posters voted for EU supporting parties, so why gripe ? This must be what you wanted, & when 80 million Turks join the EU, you'll wonder what hit you & your children That will happen, unless you vote UKIP.
@Alan, the point is if we moved to Poland we would get pennies per week if we claimed there, that's if we got anything at all. Whereas the amount we give them is huge compared to what they get at home. so it is very much a ONE WAY STREET. Why do you think
In spite of the billions of pounds we hand out to the EU and the immigrants who have flooded our country, as well as fighting foreign wars with seriously under equipped armed forces, millions of voters in this country's will continue to vote for the three main political parties. It is beyond my comprehension.
Why do the government choose to do this, it's as if they like to anger us and frankly it scares me, these people are so unfriendly and a lot of them are criminals, I would love to leave the UK and live somewhere else that does not do these things to hard working people, listen to us Mr Cameron we WILL get rid of you as soon as possible, maybe then we will get a party who will help us because at this moment we need help.
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. - Alan, London UK, 25/4/2011 8:12***************UTTER TOSH! I have lived in Spain for 17 years now and I can tell you, Alan, that I am entitled to absolutely NOTHING from the Spanish State. If you pay into the System you can join in the Spanish Pension Scheme etc that is all. But if you simply get off a plane and come here with your hand out you will get a big fat ZERO and quite rightly too. A Friend of mine came here from Uruguay. She and her man have to support themselves for three years before they can even apply for their papers to allow them to work. After two years she gave up and went back home.
THESE ARE RUOLES NOT LAW! THEY ARE NOT EVEN EU RULES just fluffy UK ones! Benifits are and should be for those who have EARNED them. EU citizens ARE entitled to those benifits as given BY THEIR OWN country and should be authorised and reclaimed from that country! EU citizens are NOT immigrants, other foreigners ARE NOT immigrants. They may or may not have a right to reside!
Stupidity and madness,to remain in the EU club,which is a huge burden on British taxpayers! The benefits which are better in this country for the EU member states citizen's are a slap in the face for the British taxpayers! We have cuts so we can fund others in this corrupt EU club,we need to vote for UKIP at all elections it is the only way ordinary people can act,we will never see any fairness from the pro EU Con/Lib/Labs!!!!
A vote for Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrat returns the same result - ONE party. Vote for any party but these three if you want your freedom.
Can someone please explain how an immigrant couple who have made no contribution at all to this country can get a lot more than an indigenous OAP couple who have worked and paid their taxes and maybe even fought for this country? It CANNOT be right!!! Vote for any party that will take steps to get us out of the EU!
When my husband who was self employed for the majority of his 48 years working life and never had time off sick suffered a heart attack, he had to wait 3months before we could get a penny in benefits.We would join a queue of immigrants who were getting housing benefits, child benefits etc etc. and my husband who had paid all his dues and demands so that these people get a share of our benefit system couldn't get anything. It was due to family and friends that we survived that period of our lives as they paid our bills when our small amount of savings ran out. I'm sure people will understand how we feel about these scroungers coming here, and quite frankly we have had enough. Look after our own Cameron,let the scroungers look after themselves.
Sam, London, 25/4/2011 08:50 You asked who is with you. Well I think the answer is most of us, but I don't know how a protest could be organised and coordinated. I don't know what the focus of the protest should be either. Is it about immigration, benefits or the EU? The media try and label everyone racist who stands up for this country. We need something like the London Peace march and we need somebody or an organisation with the influence to make it happen. Maybe somebody like the Daily Mail? I do wonder whether enough people would be bothered enough to come. If you are with Sam please green arrow.
And Cameron's response to do something about reducing immigration is only an "ambition," he said. I voted for change at the last election, not the garbage that is being thrown at us now by the Conservatives.
We need to get out of the EU. Lets just have the free trade agreement back. Why are we the only country in the EU that gives out these handouts ?...I could not go to Turkey, Spain, France, or anywhere in the EU and get hundreds of euro's per week to live. This has to stop!!! Part of Camerons manifesto was to stop the immigration, it has not happened...This cannot continue, it's time to get out of the EU once and for all...
25/4/2011 we are bringing this on ourselve's, we must agree with it by voting for the same pro E.U partie's,Clegg/Miliband/ Cameron are all pro E.U, they have let you know this by there actions, [cameron's latest,to cut back immigrants just watch] There is only one party who wants out of the E.U thats U.K.I.P,and the answer. OGGA1.
Why?
This is because Labour and the Tories want us to stay in the EU. get out of the EU, and we can stop paying these benefits.
Where are these so called easy benefits? I'm unable to claim bugger all after being self employed for 10 years. I have now been out of work for over 12 months and I still can't claim a penny. How are these people getting any benefits? Seriously, just how??!?!?!
And whats our great Leader Cameron going to do about it . I'll tell you ,nothing because he 's a yes man and sides with Europe .We have a government with no guts and not just on the immigration front but on everything . We are over run with every thing that the rest of the original countries of europe dont want . Send them to England . and let them swell the populas till it bursts . And Who cares . Not our lot .
The hard working British people have had their benefits chopped, diced and sliced, but for any foreigner coming in they get half of what most people earn in a week and for just coming here, even when we are all ready over crowded. Government, I thought you promised us change from Labour, your actually doing it worse now, in this situation at least.
So these people can claim £250 a week whilst pensioners are denied a reasonable income for which they will have paid into all their working lives, many existing on about £110 a week. No justice.
I have no problem with the East Europeans who have come here to work, they are hard working, and certainly 'got on their bikes' to look for work. However, I am sure just like we have a considerable number of wasters here, there are considerable numbers of wasters back in their East European countries. Even an idiot can see that allowing imediate access to benefits, and very generous ones at that, is going to attract the lazy ones to come here as well, the sort who will make no contribution what so ever. Still I suppose it will keep property prices up and we can send them to live in the towns where there is no work to help keep the schools open! This government is turning out to be as absurd as the last one.
Don't forget Cameron wants Turkey in the EU as well, if that happens we will really see huge problems! Is this arrangement about benefits reciprocal? Could I go to Sweden for instance, pay for a flat for a few months out of my own pocket, look for work unsuccesfully then claim benefits? If so, I'm off to Sweden!
WE ARE FULL
Enough is enough. NOW is the time to vote BNP.
The lunatics are running the asylum. who voted these idiots into government. For all our sakes think next time.
of course the EU will agree to lift the bar. IT ISNT THEIR COUNTRY THESE LOWLIFE ARE HEADING FOR. And will they return the subsidies payments to help meet this increase sum of money? Bl***ywell NO! Please can we have a governent, which will stand up for BRITAIN, and not cowtow to the faceless gits who are determined to sink us?
The EU appears to be practising communism lite, but does the fact that people are migrating from ex-communist countries for work not give some clue that this outdated political system is prone to failure.
I can't take this anymore, are there any excellent Lawyers out there willing to take this on??????
What a cheek I get £110 a week to live on a pensioner and paid into the systum all my life 70yrs now and still paying how do people do it and get more i have tried and been turned down. Now they are going to give them £250 a week never even SPENT A PENNY in this country wish some one would tell me how to do it.
Lets have our country back
The clock is ticking Camagoon. If you don't hold a referendum on leaving the EU, start looking for another job as you will be out of this one sooner than you think!
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them - Tucker, Barrow-in-Furness, 25/4/2011 9:00......... PLUS Child benefit,payable regardless if the children are living here or not.Education,Healthcare,Housing,etc,etc.
If you don't like what is happening to our country - and who does ? then go out and vote UKIP or some other minority party on the 5 May. Don't leave it up to someone else, but give the three main parties a good kick where it is needed.
Of course there will be a huge influx, they are very streetwise and know more about what they can get than native Brits.
why is this allowed to happen? i have worked abroad in holland and i am currently in finland and i am entitled to nothing until i have paid into the system for 12 months. is it one rule for britain and another for the rest of europe? france and germany wouldn't allow this but are happy to impose it on britain. glad i escaped from camerons britain.
i have a friend who has been living abroad for 5 years, he has applied for benefits until he is able to start work which would have been in two weeks. 8 weeks later he is still waiting for benefits, he had no money until he started work so how can they claim so much money in so short a time when a british citizen cannot claim anything even though they have been paying into the system for 30 years this is disgusting !1
They have paid nothing in so they get nothing out. . Period.
I've payed my taxes all my life. I bet if i went to claim for anything I'd be sent packing empty handed. Thanks to Tony Blair who signed us into EU for everything that does'nt benefit us but benefits is wife.If we don't get a grip we'll be brought down to a third world country .
Something drastic needs to be done right now to stop this disgratful immagration benifit situation, waken up Cameron your speeches are nothing but lies, enough is enough, even the asylum situation is not worth believing,
Now we start to see why tens of thousands of sick people are being thrown onto Work Support Allowance ( Or whatever its called this week ) ! Got to raise lots of cash for our visitors from far off lands !
If what we read is true then just who is it that makes this decision. I as a taxpayer was not asked and quite frankly when there are so many british people struggling any money should be there to help us. Mr Cameron ask the British people what they really want, the referendum you promised GET US OUT OF THE EU ASAP. Let all us britains stand shoulder to shoulder.
I weep for my country and for us ordinary people, young and old, who have been abandoned by government. Both my grandfathers fought at the Somme, and my dad fought in WW2. What for, I now ask myself? Our country and everything that was good and fair about it for has been given away on a plate.
don't get this at all....when i was in Portugal i couldn't claim portuguese benefits or get help learning the language or get help getting a job...ditto spain and bulgaria....seems to be one way traffic and really how big is this country its like ' how many people can you squeeze into a mini/the UK' i would love to get all the help folk get here, abroad...you wouldn't see me for dust!
Why do we always elect a spineless goverment?
No European immigrant should be given any benefit other than a return ticket home. They should never ever be provided with housing nor be allowd to take any jobe without, say, pre payment of a deposit into the NI system of at least £1000. We need desperately to get out of the EC , close our borders to all immigrants from anywhere in the world, recheck all those granted permission to stay to see if circumstances have changed and ban completely the useof "the right to a family life" as a factor in huiman rights cases This is a small crowded island with per people per square mile than other Euriopean countries and we should not take any more
Perhaps we should give them the same value of benefits that they would receive in their own country had thay stayed there. I suspect UK would be nowhere near as attractive.
David Cameron says it is his "mission" in politics to make the Big Society succeed - WE NOW ALL UNDERSTAND NOW EUROPEAN MIGRANTS
Its time we all did something drastic to give these modern day Robin Hoods a wake up call,The monies paid by taxpayers are meant to be used for services to the people to help the country run smoothly NOT given away to every freeloading parasitic economic migrant that fancies the easy life
250 per week ????? I'm being ripped off with only 500 per month, give me my money now.
Well Mr Cameron made a pledge that the British people could sack him if he wasn't doing the job properly so what are we the British people doing about it Nothing that's what and once again we have been let down by politician's lies nothing has changed since we got rid of Blair and nothing will in some countries you have to have lived there for a certain time you also have to be able to speak the language Britain has become a dumping ground and its time to stop
Given that the pension that I worked and paid for for 50 years is £102 per week, will I be allowed to leave the country, then move back and claim £250.=================This country gets more anti English every day.=============Then I am asked how I feel about the Royal Wedding.===========I will give you 3 guesses as to my answer.
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them
The problem is less to do with the immigrants and more to do with the overly generous benefits system that has created a generation of home-grown bone idlers and turned this country into a magnet for the bone idlers of Europe.
"Help African war refugees, pleads pope" No! You help them. Vatican City is big enough and rich enough, Brits have had enough of immigrants and charity.
So Old age pensioners who have paid into our taxation system all their lives don't even get half the amount to live on that a migrant gets? Isn't it time we citizens took some direct action over this blatant discrimination?
Do I live in England or Imigrantland,when will our Publicly Elected Leaders,wake up to the thoughts and feelings of the people,why must we support financialy the majority of Europe when we dont support our own people.I get so worked up and irate when I read things like this about handouts to imigrants who have payed nothing at all into our financial coffers.Is Cameron and his Whitehall cronies not interested in what the people have to say on these matters,do they not have the backbone to follow the likes of France and Germany,and say enough is enough,who will we as a nation upset if we decline to give Imigrants handouts without question,when our own have to fill in endless forms,undergo countless interviews to get benefits they are entitled to,it is time for a National Referendum on remaining a member of the EU.
The truth is all 3 political parties with any chance of governing are not opposed to this situation! Is there not some way in which the voting public could show their disgust and refuse to endorse the policies of these 3 parties? If we had the AV voting system perhaps? DonÂ’t forget without the endorsement of 51% of voters an MP could not win their seat, forcing them to support the same policies the majority of their constituents want! Just a thought.
The label "Only in Britain" applies here. As other posters are pointing out, this doesn't happen in other EU countries. Add to this that we pay billions more into the EU than what we get out of our membership. Plus, Tony Blair gave away our rebate for zilch in return, which Margaret Thatcher had fought tooth and nail to obtain. Plus, the self-serving EU gravy train has grown to mammoth size. It's gone way beyond an outrage, a referendum on EU membership is imperative.
You know, you all only have yourselves to blame for this. You voted socialist LIEbour in serveral times, who put the roots down for all this, and DC is not interested either. I moved here 22 yrs ago and I can see the way this country has pressed the self desruct button. You will all wake up when it's all too late and your country and any identity it had is all gone to foreginers. I've only got three years left and I'm going back to my original country.
Where are these cuts that are meant to be happening? I think the best place to start is here!
Yeah, a lot more than my weekly pension after PAYING IN for more than 40 years. Cheated again.
Close the borders now, we've had enough of this. It's OUR taxes people, our money that they get. It's time to force the politicians to listen to those who pay their wages.
Who will save us from the awful situation! Sick to death of the EU, EEC, Common Market (?) et al.
What do they think this island is? a cruise ship!
It doesn't matter how much you complain,shout from the rooftops,etc.nothing will change untill those in power,the influence,and money start to feel the pinch.And as we know that will never happen.I will be contacting my conservative MP to complain but expect the same response as when I asked her to provide details of the number of people in the UK who speak the 50 plus languages on the back of the census form....nothing.
Cameron DO SOMETHING !
whose bloody idea is this the EU and what is the Government going todo about it....this is not on. come on UK and the DAily Mail start protests up. something has got to stop frightening .........how come they will end up getting more than pensioners who have worked all their lives something wrong some where. why the hell should we accommodate all the rubbish from the eu
This is just the EU's way of getting more contributions from us. Wealth redistribution is their objective.
Protests regarding the EU will get us nothing, and we are denied a vote on the issue of membership. I hope that soon, Englishmen will rise up a and take to the streets, while we are able, and it will take the need for arms to gan our freedom. This country is well down the road to its end, ably supported by traitors actually voted into power by us, the victims. If we don't take up arms, we accept domination by a foreign power.
Louise of Bedfordshire:Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back. This is why it is happening - our citizens are flocking to other countries instead of protesting about what is going on. In another country you would have mass protests about this sort of thing but what does the good old Brit do - run!! How many Ex-pats come on these sites and run the country down. They are happy to live elsewhere so they are really no different. Britain has lost its backbone because the people no longer stand up and get counted.
That's more than a lot of people earn, the BNP are starting to look attractive, we've been sold out, literally.
Why can we not give them the same amount they would get in their own country and then calm that money back from their benefits system ?
This is abominable we are suffering cutbacks and they are giving taxpayers money to people who have paid nothing into the system,and its not the EU rules either other countries do not pay immigrants benefits.I'm absolutely disgusted with the government for allowing this.Voting BNP is the only way out of this farcical situation why do I feel that I'm being robbed I wonder?
Instead of moaning on here why don't we all do stand up and protest or something. Instead of doing the typical British thing of I'm all right jack sod everyone else. This is out of control and will never get better unless something is done and the only ones who can start that are the British Public. It works in France and other countries. Lets put the Great back in Britain for once, whos with me!!???
Jesus, is it never going to end? It seems these days the only people who can't claim anything are British. Can anyone tell me what are the benefits of us being in the EU because as far as I can see all it's done is screw us from every angle.
We need to be told how the benefits systems work in other EU countries. If there is supposed to be equality within the EU why is Britain's benefits system seen to be so generous to outsiders?
This country has gone loopy we have to get out of europe now
WE are broke yet and are having to work until we drop to survive yet we continue on this road to nowhere. Where is the backbone of this country...we need a revolution...I am first in line for it! - sick of MP's and MEP's, UK, 25/4/2011 07:48 Couldn't agree more - I believe it all starts on Facebook?
A message top Cameron, Do what the Italians do, don't obey the EU, and domn't pay this wave of partasites a penny.
I have been to several of these European countries and the current comments here are RIGHT. You cannot goto these countries and just claim Benifits. You must work and if you buck the rules or the Law they do send you back. The British Government (Labour and now Cons/LibDems) are the guilty parties here and are giving away our wealth while making our own people suffer extensive cuts(especially our elderly). There needs to be a stop on this. I do believe the three main political parties are working to the same agenda in trying to bankrupt this country by giving away resources that are meant for the people that paid them in. We need a public investigation into this to enable it to be stopped.
This cannot in any way be right. We cannot go abroad and claim the same in any country - in fact there is always a huge delay in getting any payment (I believe that you can look for work abroad but there is such a delay in getting any benefits that most people come back before this ever occurs). The red tape everywhere else is huge and so it should be here for anyone from another country. If this is still going on then it only proves that it is not Labour who caused the problem but that all parties are under the thumb of EU rule.
Take note Cameron, a lot of these people were Tory voters........you are squeezing us until the pips squeak but there is no tightening up for immigrants, or the Irish, or Pakistan, or Portugal......... everyone has human rights, apart from me.........
THIS IS A DISGRACE we must get out of the E.U. before this Country is destroyed completely. UKIP for me from now on, never again will I vote for a main party as it is our only hope of getting out of the E.U. Something must be done to stop our crazy benefits system. How can this be just and fair - we are inviting the world to come for hand-outs, while our pensioners, the NHS etc., etc., and our tax paying hard-working citizens suffer the consequences.
It would be unthinkable for the new immigrants to have to live below the level of pensioners simply because the latter have worked and contributed to the national pot. British benevolence is on display yet again.
No problem at all. The government simply hands the bill to the immigrants respective governments for them to pay. If they refuse then don't pay the benefits. When we have emergency medical treatment in a member state that state bills our government. Anything over basic treatment we have to pay out of our own medical insurance.
I have a lot of time for the Eastern Europeans I know personally, they are hard working, polite and integrate well but it is ridiculousy naive to suggest that ALL migrants come here to work, handing out money to everyone is open to abuse, we have enough scroungers of our own without encouraging even more, most people would agree that having a manageable number who are contributing to society is far more sensible than opening the floodgates even further.
We are currently running ourselves ragged, trying to sort out care for my elderly mother in law, she cannot live with us as we all work and it is not safe to leave her in the house during the day alone, so we are having to go down the care home route. She has a little bit of savings, but she also owns the family home. We are trying to rent this out on her behalf to raise income so we can cover all her care costs ourselves. It makes me sick to see the greedy councils come round and eye up the property (we told them to sod off!) she worked until well after she should have retired, only ever went on holiday abroad once in 1982. Does not smoke or drink and occasionally (and I mean occasionally) went to bingo. This kind of thing makes me ashamed to be British - we will look after every tom-dick and harry from the EU, but our elderly, if they have any assets will have it all taken off them if the gov can get their greedy claws on it - sickening, it really is!
I feel David Cameron will be asked to step down as leader soon, Great Britain does not have the money? Or do we have the money Mr Cameron seems to be giving a lot away this year and last year.
New Government, same old kiss a-- policies when it comes to the EU. The EU says 'you pay, and Cameron, like Blair and Brown before him, says no prob, I will rip the money off the people who have contributed all their lives, especially pensioners. I have contributed for 46 years. Never had a penny in benefits. When the new pension scheme comes in, I like my wife, will be excluded. With millions unemployed and no jobs, why do we need any immigrants coming to the UK? Time we had a referendum about changing our status in the EU to a trading partner. That is what Heath said we were joining for. Instead we seem to be sustaining the economies of the 8 countries listed by paying benefits that these people can only dream of.
where do they get £250 a week from >>> I lost my job at christmas, get 60 jSA and 80 Housing benefit a week have to live on less than £5 a week after all my bill are paid, I don't smoke or drink, or drugs come to that. Can't afford to socialise (what ever that is) I am 60 and caught in the new pension rules so don't get mine till next year .. no jobs because I am too old. Catch 22 come to mind. WISH I GOT 250 A WEEK ..........
Did nobody write into the rules that only British citizens were allowed to claim beneifits? Conversely then why aren't all benefits harmonized across the EU?? There are actually jobs for these people in their home countries and even though everything is dearer here what actually makes it attractive for them is free money doled out by the State..particularly free money for having babies and bringing them up for the next 16 years, free healthcare and subsidised living standards. They know that they will always be provided for and will never fall on hard times. They will spoil it for everybody eventually.
Well maybe such immigrants, moving to Britan should be able to claim benefits: BUT, those benefits should be claimed from , and paid by, their own countries, even if the perople concerned are living here. We must not enhance the attractiveness of the Uk by such generous benefit systems. Stop it now!. This is a very major mistake, to allow such payments to be made by the Uk to nationals of other countries.
Cameron stop this madness now. We can't afford it. Where is our referendum now is the time to get out of the EU. France are apparently going to reintroduce border controls for the refugees from italy, so I suggest that we do the same. NO more immigrants
Cameron you should be ashamed of yourself and your Government !!!!!!. Before the election you gave all these promises on what you would do if you were elected. Now you are in Government - nothing you have just lied, no referendum and done more U turns than Margaret Thatcher did in her whole terms in office. Just a change of hats every 5 years if you keep the old voting system . Bring on the yes vote and get in some new voices who will speak for the hardworking taxpayer. (UKIP.)
To think they the government are spending millions of pounds on a referendum over voting rights which very few people of this country is interested in, Why didn't they have it on the membership of the EU which is a thorny subject at the best of times. At least then which ever way the vote went it would put a stop to the arguing over subsidies and I am sure the public at large would listen to all points of view before making their decision. Are the politicians just to scared of this option or is it because all leaders of all the parties want jobs for the boys once their term in government is over in the EU money train.
I'm surprised we are not holding street parties for the influx of immigrants too. We seem to be giving them everything else, home, health care, and money. This is absolutely disgraceful close the borders Britain is already full of these free loaders!
This is unbelievably disgusting when. The country is in recession, many UK residents out of work and now the Government want to give foreigners our money. All foreigners not born in the UK but arriving for free financing should be sent home. Maybe a vote for the country on this would be far more beneficial than the AV referendum. What has happened to what was once a lovely place to live?
No person should be allowed to claim jobseekerÂ’s allowance or housing and council tax benefits in the UK until they had worked here for 12 months continuously. Not even our own citizens.
I lived in Slovenia for 3 years (Incidentally, Slovenia is not in Eastern Europe, it borders Italy and Austria and they're not in Eastern Europe) and while I was there I didn't claim any kind of financial support, in fact I created employment there. However, I saw how hard it was for anyone from another country (including the UK) to obtain benefits, whereas it appears that any Slovene coming to the UK will have (my hard-earned tax) money thrown at them? It shouldnt be so one-sided, after all we're all meant to be EU partners together aren't we? We are such an easy touch in this country and (despite saying they will make it harder for others to abuse our system) each successive government does nothing about it. I give up!
another flow of dole dossers on its way. they will be treated better than brits. what a bunch of spineless mp`s we have . it time they stood up to the eurocrats & said enough is enough. referendum where is it?.
This is yet another reason why we need to exit the EU double quick. Cameron is failing to listen or act to the vast majority who want that referendum now and get us out. His absurd stance that we are better off inside to influence the EU has simply not worked - and it never will. If he gave us that referendum, he could guaranteefor himself a landslide at the next election and he could dump the Libdems to the outer wilderness where the country believes they belong.
There are no if''s or but's this County need'sto get out of the E.U. A.S.A.P.
Successive governments are to blame for this, Blair started it and Cameron & Clegg are continuing the rip off of the British taxpayer. All Cameron's huffing and puffing about the EU, was just hot air, he has done nothing and he will continue to do nothing. The coalition will continue to put out the welcome mat to Eastern Europeans, whilst punishing the population they purport to represent.
So this is 'belt tightening' is it? Cash for wars, foreigners and scroungers but not for the old and disabled some of whom fought a war so we could be free. Shameful. Immigrants should lodge a bond when they arrive so they can get home if they haven't found a job in 6 months.
Perhaps we need more choice if we ever get to vote on the EU Stay in EU and human rights act. Stay in EU but opt out of human rights act. Move out of EU completely.
There is a vast difference between being entitled to claim benefits and actually getting them. (Something which journalists seem to be unable to grasp.)
Come on my fellow Brits! Lets stop moaning about the cost of providing benefits for foreign workers: we will just have to work a bit harder for a bit longer to pay for Dave's generosity. You know it makes sense!
Surely it is notbeyond the wity of our reguatory authorities to make it 12 months residency
This is absolute madness. The benefits system was set up as a safety net for British citizens who had fallen on hard times, not to keep half the world's population in luxury. Cameron was voted into power to put and end to this, yet does nothing. It's time to scrap the benefits system altogether and replace it with a community work scheme.
So soft, many of the young Turkish men I meet here ask if it is true the British govt will give you money for not working. They cannot believe it, especially as in this country you are very lucky to work one week in six and get no money for not working. There is no wonder all the world wants to go to UK. Change the system now, or get swamped by economic migrants.
Has anyone realised yet that the EUSSR is out to bankrupt this country?...to reduce us to a client state,dependent on EUSSR handouts...All this is happening with the enthusiastic backing of the Quislings and EUSSR puppets in Westminster..Call me Dave and the rest of the chancers and losers are all owned by the Empire...communists to a man....If you all want to live on your knees then keep voting for this Lib/Lab/Con rubbish.....
Well anyone who is upset only have themselves to blame, should have voted BNP OR UKIP.
The benefits of being in the EU have tipped the other way......time to get out.
Those who the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad. A vote for AV would just shorten the madness bit enabling us to reach destruction even more quickly.
What do people expect, you have a political elete who want to look good on the world stage by giving money to countrys that do not need it and money to east europeans who have not contributed anything here. You have socialist councils who activly encourage families to come here to live in large victorian house on £1450 a week benefits, work why should they, just lie back in front of the 50" TV and enjoy life in benefit rich UK.
Did anyone ask you about paying out this money from your hard earned? Will these imports take your job at lower wages? WHO authorises these payments. A nameless civil servant. Write to you local MP and kick up stink before you lose the pittance you now earn and are forced to beg on the streets. Tell her or him his own job is under threat from you.
The UK is being torn apart, with politicians being too weak and uncaring to do anything. If nothing is done by the people, that`s it -kaput!
We need to get out on the streets and protest against this madness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My mistake was working all my life paying into pension scheme ,,,,,,, !
So lets get this straight. We are delaying the pension age for millions, reducing the amount that they actually get. Increase the pension contribution for current workers. But we are attracting thousands if not hundreds of thousands with the promise of £250 per week, £12k per year.... WHY TREAT US LIKE THIS.
This is what you get for being in "Europe". When i worked in Poland 3 years agao, the job agencies where advertising job's in the UK and how to claim various benefits. To the guy's i was working with out there, our country was a laughing stock, they could not believe we where stupid enough to give away money like that, they said all the local lazy people and criminal's where moving to the UK in drove's, they thanked us for clearing out their unwanted trouble causer's. Look's like this is just about to become an even bigger issue.
European legislation allows for the free movement of labour however, it specifically says that thesuch persons should not impact on the social security bill of the country that they move to. You are only entitled to social security benefits once you have been paying into the social security fund, and paying tax on work that you are doing. The UK does not have to house or pay benefits to people who come from the EU looking for work.
I know not everyone will agree with me, but I firmly believe that any new migrants coming into the country should only be allowed to do so if they have full-time work, can support themselves fully, are not entitled to any benefits, do not take up any social housing, & do not qualify for free health service and so have to get medical insurance. France, Australia and New Zealand have much stricter rules and it's about time we tightened up our own policies. We cannot keep putting citizens of other countries before our own. People come here because they see our system as a joke and they know thay can get something for nothing. I understand that there are genuine asylum seekers, and people willing to work, but there are far more people who come here simply because they know they are entiltled to benefits and they want an easy life. They are taking liberties, and our Government is not only letting them, but giving them a green light. We need to put a stop to it.
It's not benefit "tourism"......Tourists eventually go back where they came from.
How is it right that my dad who was born,lives,worked, paid his dues and is retired gets no help with his fees for his care home when people who have no connection with the country recieve any benefit. It is utter madness. MAD MAD MAD .
@ Jack Jones. Yes it is the fault of the EU. France and Germany may not pay out benefits so swiftly, but their actions breach EU laws which is laughable given that those are the countries which are the EU's biggest cheerleaders. Behaving like France and i
David Malaga, Spain. I could not agree more. I have lived here for seven years and if you don't pay in, you do not get anything. Even the dole is limited for a set period depending upon contributions. This being the case, how is it that the UK is the dumping ground for all and sundry. I wish that the UK would stop blaming the EU, it is the UK politicians and Civil Servant who are at fault.
Its time to vote for a party that will get us out of the hell hole called EU and be able to rebuild our country so that we look after our own people. We need decent pensions so we look after our old folk and stop giving our money away to any tom dick or harry.
Is this the reason we have all been cut to the bone with cuts and benefits and everything going, so we all on hands and knees trying to survive with massive cuts but yet Cameron is giving more in forgein aid and payign for half the world...so in reality he has cut us Britis to pay for everyone else...enjoy your first and last term in power Cameron, you will all be out in next general election, i for one will never ever vote for Tories again, yes im a mug and voted them this time but ive been bitten now and wont hapen again. UKIP is only way to get out of this mess as Tories, Labour and Lib dems all the same, they care not one dot for any of us Britis...do away with them all, lying sneaky rats!!!!!!!!
So it is not only MP.s with their snouts in the trough.
Yet again another two fingers to the British public. Time to shut the doors and get us out of Europe. Never thought I would say this but it is BNP next time my friends
The British people's concerns about immigration have been ignored since the 1970s, governments have instead believed big business that unfettered immigration is necessary for the economy. The inevitable has happened- we are swamped with immigrants and the economy is hopeless. Its time for government to realise that the people of this country have been right all along.
Saying that these benefits were "time-limited" just isn't good enough. This government can extend that period indefinately as they already proved by moving the pension qualifying age. It seems that Cameron and his motly crew are no better than the last Labour administration when it comes to looking after immigrants ahead of our own people.
when is the next election?
I'd lilke to know how the comment 'treated like Britons' came from - they are not treated like us at all, they are treated much better by far with benefits simply handed to them willy nilly courtesy of all the do-gooders employed simply to inform 'benefit tourists' of all they can claim......!
Remember ,we're all part of the happy EU family .....................OH! and 'we're' ALL in this .........TOGETHER ??
I pay income tax still. Why. to pay for the benefits of these people. -- I think it;s more to pay for the bonus's of the bankers than the £67 a week these poor souls will have to survive on.
This will happen. No ifs or buts, people from Eastern European countries WILL come to the UK and take advantage of the system. As usual the UK government will not listen to the British public. The government will do nothing to help protect the country and vast areas of England will start to look like Eastern Europe. Sadly, the majority of British people will continue to complain about it, but likewise will do NOTHING. Fast forward to the year 2015 and I guarantee that you will be reading about how it happened here on DM. (Or perhaps the DM will be in the Polish language by then)- GB, Offshore, 25/4/2011 7:39 Yes, do nothing or do the wrong thing. In order to put an end to this and other madness, you need UKIP in government. At the last election UKIP received 919,546 votes, without a single seat in parliament. Whereas the Democratic Unionists received 168,216 votes with 8 seats. All thanks to FPTP. AV will allow UKIP into Westminster. The 'no' vote keeps them out. THINK before you vote!
Since the EU expanded in 2004, Britain has experienced its largest wave of migration, despite official predictions that only 13,000 workers would want to move here.......So much for official predictions!,... Result...13,000 for every Town and City
My God, not even our own gets this amount. Just staggering. Camerjokeron you have to deal, but alas you won't.
Come on Dave, we need that referendum on the EU NOW so that we can escape the madness of trying to support everybody from those other EU countries. Either that or find a quiet island somewhere for the indigenous Brits who only want the style of life we used to have before the population of the world descended upon us..
May I change my status from being a UK pensioner to being an East European non-working immigrant, please ?
This is so so wrong. My son who is doing his best to find work after being made redundant 18 months or more ago has just had his benefits suspended, that means he has NOTHING to live on until they decide to reinstate it!!! Yet we can get these bloody foreigners over here and within weeks will be give £250!!!! Talk about looking after your own eh? I'm wondering if the Government will reimburse me my expenses for keeping him? £10 here and £10 there soon eats into our small pension so he may starve, is that right Mr. Cameron? Why should our own be pushed to one side because of migrants?
So, let me get this straight. We Brits have to work until we drop to get a paltry pension at the end of it all whilst leeches from European countries can just swan in and claim every benefit going which my taxes and others who've worked hard in this country have paid into? Great, well done Mr Cameron.
Mr Cameron ... when you have finished baby-sitting and paddling with your children in Cornwall .... can you please explain to this nation and to me ........ exactly why, being you are giving a substantial amount of money to India and other nations, you will NOW probably to cow-tow to Europe's demand that we shell out benefits to anyone from Latvia and other 'districts' of the continent - without so much as a wimper! ..... I want to know why you are prepared to take tax out of my private pension of £39.49 A YEAR ... and give it to people who think they just deserve a better standard of living and we are going to supply it. ......... I'm tired of waiting for you and your cronies to do something that SUPPORTS the people of this country. ....Never mind side-tracking us with the wedding, the Libyan problem, AV or anything else ....I WANT AN ANSWER - NOW .... no more waffle - get off your backside and DO SOMETHING.
It is so gratifying to know that the years I spent in forces in the forties serving this Country. & then quite a few years of austerity afterwards, paying my taxes, we can be so helpful to other poor souls from our new EU friends. who will get more money PW than my wife & I get. Who was it said charity begins at home. Something our Government does not comprehend.
When I worked in a tiny community town of Arad (Romania), the taxi driver there who was contracted to the company I worked for said he wanted to live in England. The obvious question from me was Why? He told me then (2002) that you get paid for not working. From that day on, I resent the Eastern Block invitation to join the EU. It doesn't get any more clear than that now does it???
Is there a deliberate plot to keep the UK taxpayers poor by giving all their money to foreigners. We give billions to the EU Dictatorship for which the man in the street gets nothing in return, billions in foreign aid which most of it never goes to the poor anyway, and billions to fund wars which are nothing to do with us, Besides which we are paying billions in benefits for the limitless numbers of immigrants and their dependants who have been foisted on us by the EU, and those from the rest of the world who are here, who then bring over the rest of their families, all a drain on our hospitals, schools, prisons, etc. Then the tax payers are told there is nothing left for them and they must tighten their belts and be taxed yet more. It is beyond a joke.
Someone, somewhere, has COMPLETELY lost their marbles WHO has authorised this lunacy ? LIB DEMS ? YOU BET !!!
WHY is the much needed revolution on hold ????
Unfortunately, the only people denied benefits by Britain under the Freedom of Movement Act are its own disabled expats - which is stunning hypocrisy given that we still pay UK taxes. The incomers will only have to wait 3 months - our struggle is still ongoing after 8 years. Nice to know my taxes are going to a worthy cause, though, how awful if it was just being wasted on disabled British pensioners.
I know - instead of one on AV, let's have a referendum on staying in Europe. That would solve all this nonsense in a stroke! Or would that be democratic and therefore just a silly idea?
This means they will also claim child benefit on top of everything else,regardless of if the children are actually living in Britain.The burden on the British taxpayer is already immense.Madness.
This shows how being a member of the EU is a one way street. We pay billions for membership, we pay billions in benefits to people who realise we are a soft touch with open borders. What do we get in return? Er, jobs for our failed politicians, that's what. Off they go to nice secure well paid golden pensioned non-jobs paid for out of OUR money. Nice work if you can get it. So it's in our politicians interests to keep us in the EU so that they can get their snouts in the trough when they are kicked out of office here.
The politicians of this country are the Uriah Heeps of the world. They slavishly adhere to European dictat and the greed of big business. Our politicians should not have the privilage of being called MP's as they seem to have no allegiance to the British People, or the country. They should be called Councillors of Europe. I also think they would like to wipe the name of Great Britain from the annuals of History. Any idea's what our new name for the country should be?
No problem in principle, but the concept of the EU was meant to be freedom of workers not scroungers. If also the latter, the host country should be allowed send a bill to the country the people migrated from.
Feel sick and betrayed. This is more than my monthly state pension.
as I keep saying OUT OUT OUT of the EU
how can you go on the dole as soon as you arrive from Eastern Europe??????????????? We'll every unemployed or employed person from over there. NO cuts there
My wife who is British was first lumbered by the Dutch authorities with a temporary residence permit 3month as a sailer? she then progressed to becoming a asylum seeker awaiting trail for deportation.All this trouble becouse she refused to give up her British passport.This went on for 16 years until 2005.She now has a residents permit under the condition that she cannot claim benefits and is self supporting.
So twelve months in and nothing has changed, they really are driving us reluctantly into the arms of the BNP.
It seems to me like only mass demonstrations on large scale and constant may make the gvnt pause and think about Europe. Our politicians are from elite cliques who are divorced from the realities of this word. In this new Market I would urge everyone to ensure that their children concentrate in school and get skills which the economy needs. These eastern Europeans are going to be taking the low paid jobs and edging unskilled Brits out of the Market. It's also sad to say but in the future I forsee a time when Brits will be forced to become economic migrants and move to commonwealth countries like, Australia, Canada, and even Africa. You will be surprised by how many Brits are starting businesses and trade in Africa.
I was born here and have worked since I left school and always paid full tax and NI. I've been out of work since last July due to local government cutting staff, and was only entitled to 6 months contribution based JSA as my husband worked. We now struggle to live on one wage as we have no entitlement to any benefits or help, and this month have the choice of paying our utility bill or buying food. I live in private accommodation as I can't get on the housing list, and I'm really worried what lies ahead of us when we retire in just a few years time. Our Government should be looking after its own - you can see why all and sundry are coming here, its easy street - arrive, get a house, get benefits, sit back and laugh! I am really sad that our Government, at a time when it should be supporting its people, is relaxing rules which will only add financial strain to our economy. This precious island of ours is sinking.......
This has to be the last straw. Vote BNP or UKIP. ~~Get us out of the Madness that is the EU, before it destroys us completely.
I've said this before and it was never published by the DM but, if the immigrants coming here want to claim benefits (as they most likely will do) then those benefits should be paid by their home country and not the receiving nation. It works both ways of course but how many Brits will go to Romania to work, or Poland, or Estonia?
LATEST:U.K. economy picks up, £250 handouts now available.......get yours now in time for Royal Wedding weekend!.
Such a shame... that the average voter is a dip-stick. These people keep voting for the three EU parties ( Tory -Labour - Liberal )... and that's exactly what they get.... the EU ! Then- having voted for the EU... they complain about the EU. There is only one party that will dynamite the whole stinking EU mess ...... UKIP.
What a great idea - we force our elderly and disabled British citizens out to work so we can line the pockets of unemployed migrants. Why? Because it's easier than standing up to EU bureaucrats who treat us like a cash cow for impoverished Eastern European countries!! Our government really can be spineless at times. Bah!!
NO NO NO NO NO WAY. ENOUGH.
If I leave the UK and then come back as an immigrant would I be able to claim double the amount I get now? No I dont think so. I worked a paper round at 10, in a shop from 14, office work from 16 to 60 and in a shop again from 60 to 66 then I retired. I saved, went without and bought my own home. I have never claimed a penny. For years I worked in a pub as well as an office and what do I get at the end of it - half the amount an immigrant who has never paid in a penny, to make ends meet and to pay for a new roof I have had to let my home and move into a small bedroom at my daughter's home. Fair?? We should have a referendum on the EU now and pull out whilst we have a bit of money.
Do all the politicians since Macmillan who got us into this mess realise the pressure they are putting on the British people, Their well-being and their health is being effected by their refusal to see sense and organise a referendum on, do we stay or withdraw from the EU. The Brits are not fools, they know when they are being exploited. They are getting desperate, they don't know what to do, how to get their wish, and not the wishes of the political elite and the EU commission.
Not so "caused in the main by Britain's continued membership of the EU" France and Germany are EU members, But there are no benefits payable to immigrants, and they have to be self supporting, work and pay taxes for 5 years, Then if suitable, they may be allowed to stay. Appear in court twice and you are given the boot to anywhere out of their lands and in only what you stand up in. It is not the fault of the EU but the wet British government+s+s
stop this wholesale sell out of this nation by our corrupt politicians now without delay,we are paying our oaps half this 250 and expect them to live in poverty,our young saddled with 9000 a year fees they will take to their graves,vote bnp they will stop this treachery by our political leaders who keep denying the nation a right to leave this eu marxist corrupt group in brussels who now rule us in this country without our consent,whys the queen silent on this matter,just another one of that lot who wishto see the nation subdued and supressed against the nations wishes,but expect us all to be jumping up and down with joy about this royal marriage,i think not me old friut,we want our freedoms back!!!
There are no benefits for Brits who are living in Spain and we are in the eu along with Spain, and as for free movement of labour, there is none here, if you are British, you either work in the black economy or you rely on your pensions from the UK, there are no freebies from the state of Spain, no wonder they are all queuing to go to the UK again.
treated the same way as britains,we dont get anything ,i was on the dole for 6 months and only got money for 6 months ,then i got nothing after that,luckely i have a job but i have to slog my guts out now to pay for others to just come and take what they can get free ,we must be the stupidest people in the world,we give money to counterys to build schools while ours crumble,we fight wars we can not afford,we let polititions rip us off ,we pay higher prices for everything,our streets look like third world counterys while we give aid to countrys that can afford nuclear weapons and to send people to space,we are trated like mugs,now anyone can claime anything ,oh well off to slog my guts out again to earn money to give to who ever wants it .i think i will work some over time to pay to get to work as fuel has gone up 3 times since it was cut by a penny.
Time Shameron got to grips with this. We give billions out in foreign aid, handouts to those who have paid nothing into the system yet we are on our knees...lousy pensions for pensioners who have paid into the system for 40 years or more...nothing for NHS, disabled or students...time we had a Sarkozy in power who seems to stick a finger up at EU......very difficult to get anything in France! WE are broke yet and are having to work until we drop to survive yet we continue on this road to nowhere. Where is the backbone of this country...we need a revolution...I am first in line for it!
This makes me feel so good.Glad to see all my hard work is helping someone.(Had hoped it would have been me) I am 63 female never claimed benefit of any description, and am still paying tax. Like millions of others I am whacked every way I turn, the Country is hard up its all we hear and yet here are another bunch of free loaders ready to come in. I thought the idea was to get tough on immigration.I dont blame the people for coming, show me a Country where I can get such benefits and I would be away.
The word, "CHUMP" comes to mind!!!
Pay the same benefit that they would receive in their home country if that is lower than the benefit here. That would soon cut benefit tourism!
I dont see it matters that much. If you are jealous you can start to drink too much or take up heroin and become addicted. Then you can start to get some serious benefits. Works for me.
I read statements from politicians (sadly tory ones as well) all the time that the country needs all this skilled labour from abroad. So why the need for the ability to claim any sort of welfare benefit? I know, I know, it's the EU rules of course. Aren't I the stupid one? No job? No entry!
Come in come in, bring all your friends and familes..here, have this free money, free house, free schooling, free medical care, free everything...don't worry about the cost. The muggins British taxpayer will pay for it all. When is this EVER going to end? Cameron, the u turn specialist, PROMISED us an EU referendum but that will NEVER happen. He's too much PRO- Europe himself. Shame on you Cammy, another lie eh?
I love these words "risk" and "fears" . . . as if there is only a chance and it is not certain. We all know it is certain that professional parasites will be heading here, and never leaving. Why are we sitting back moaning and expecting the politicians to do anything about this ? Again, another certainty is that they will not. We are being explioted as a people, and what is worse, openly laughed at.
don't forget this £250 per week is also tax free.
Labour. The legacy thay just keeps giving.
I had issues with that speech Cameron made on immigration because I knew he was lying. The UK is bursting at the seems because EU east Europeans are permitted to flood the country. A whole village in Poland could turn up and walk through the airport and customs can't ask them any questions. Cameroon is decitful because he's always talking about capping non EU immigrants to make it seem as if he has a grip on the immigration problem but in reality he's doing nothing. Non EU immigrants from countrys like USA, Canada, Australia, India and Africa cannot claim benefits, only asylum seekers are entitled to benefits. The issue is Eastern Europeans, many who which cannot speak the language, have no ties to the commonwealth coming here to take low paid jobs or sit on benefits when they haven't paid a penny into the system. So Is this why the Tories want to cut, so the money can be given to Eastern Europeans instead. It's sheer and utter madness.
This is appalling, why, why, why is this being allowed?? We don't look after our pensioners but migrants, come on in and take as much as you wish - the GREAT has definitely disappeared from Britain. Something drastic needs to be done right now to stop this.....
The home office doesn't know how many migrants will be attracted to the UK... Whats the remaining population of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia?! Hope you got enough mansions in London to house them in, otherwise they'll be suing the state for breaching there human rights... When will the British people rise up & say enough is enough...
This is sheer madness. I retired three years ago after working for 50 years. I paid my taxesand dues during those years. On retirement I receive a pittance of a pension and am struggling to live. I pay income tax still. Why. to pay for the benefits of these people. East European countries should not have been allowed into the EU. We must be the only country giving away money to these people. It must stop. We can't afford it. We must have a low cap on migration from EU countries and elsewhere to stop the flood. Even our asylum situation is a farce.
When I was out of work last year I was allowed to claim job seekers allowance for 6 months only after that I was left to fend for myself. So nothing has changed you pay something in for years and you get nothing. You pay nothing in and you get what you want.
Anyone coming into the UK should be able to support themselves, no handouts full stop. The gutless government will not oblige thou.
great and my 70 year old husband,suffered an aneurysm in the brain, Dec 2010,has to wait to claim attendance allowance untill June, as they tell me he has to be sick for 6moths before he can claim!!! evan though he has severe problems,I have to do every thing myself, and he worked and paid full tax till the day it happened, why are we penalized,and they wonder why we complain
this world does'nt owe you a living son, my dads words to me on leaving school in 65.
What on earth? Thats above the minimum weekly wage. We should have a mass strike. Why are we slugging our guts out to see our hard earned going on foreign wasters?
Get on to the Department for Work and Pensions and leave a stern message. The more they get, the more likely they will start to listen. I've already done it. Also - write to your local MP. There's no point moaning unless you do this, and a quick email won't take more than 10 minutes to tap in and send. They NEED to hear this.
There will be room for the migrants as our over 80s, who are having their fuel allowance slashed and their interest income decimated will die of hypothermia.
It seems that the EU has created a mechanism of financial osmosis. The successful countries lower wealth & living conditions so the others eventually catch up. IF we are to stay in Europe, the deal needs to be renegotiated.
This confirms we have become a complete lunatic assylum. They will be flocking by the million.
From next Sunday they will be treated exactly the same as Britons. No, they will be treated better than us. Some people who have lived and worked here all their lives are denied some benefits because they haven't 'paid enough in'. It's a disgrace.
I should imagine the tickets to the UK are sold out allready and we wont even be able to keep count of them because theyre EU citizens .
my husband works damn hard for what we have to live on which is not much more than what these migrants will get,and he is working to pay for these handouts,there is no justice, britain is too easy on others but when those of us that are 'british' need help like OAP'S where is the help for them,charity starts at home.
Sign the People's pledge and protest for a EU referendum -it is the only way to stop the madness which is already costing us £9billion a year. We have no need of the EU at all.
What is Cameron doing about it?
Things like this will change the way people vote. We have been let down by government in the worst imaginable ways - & I've no doubt that there is more to come.
Why are these people getting more per week to live on the OAP's who have paid their dues all their lives and lived through the world war 11 years? How dare the government give away our money to strangers and outsiders when they cannot look after the elderly in the country. If there is money to spare make sure the child benefit is a sensible amount and available to all UK born parents, make sure that care homes for the elderly meet far igher standards than they do now and are subject to regular and frequent checks by health authority people. And also stop whinging on about how many UK born adults are registered for unemplyment benefit. Give these people a decent amount to live on...stop importing goods and start recreating an industrial base here in the UK. Start mining for coal again and stop all these millionaire MP's faffing about on jollies pretending to be doing good for the country. Most of all get our lads home and stop interferring in other countries affairs.
Over here you have to pay in before you can get anything out. East Europeans, such as Poles and Romanians are not entitled to anything, even healthcare, because they've not done any work to get the benefits. And even then, your benefits are dependent on what you did. You can't get the dole if you only work a few weeks. Maybe we need that in the UK, not just to stop foreigners, but workshy scroungers who haven't worked a day in their lives.
Sick and disabled sqeezed, elderly driven to poverty,the unemployed have trouble finding work and the young facing a grim future. What does the UK do from the 1st May, open its doors for all and sundry in the A8 to claim unrestricted benefits. Shame on all the governments of the UK.you have broken our people.! Absolutely disgusted!.
it estimates they will cost £30million a year, do people actually think it will cost £30 million per year, the last government said only 13,000 will come and look for work, but the real figure was 170,000 per year and remember if they can also claim other benefits, we already let every Tom, Dick and Harry into this country who has not contributed to the system, but get free money, housing and access to services, but you still get people the EU is good for the UK UTTER MYTH!
Make ANY benefit subject to 12 months payment of tax and National Insurance.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!! - Mark, St. John's, Antigua, 25/4/2011 01:58 Mark i have lived in Spain now for 8 years and i came here to retire with pensions sufficient to meet my needs so i have no axe to grind . The thousands of Brits who have left over the last 4 years are testament to the fact that there is nothing available if you fall on hard times.So did Spain sign a different agreement ? or do they interpret the rules to suit themselves .Always i read these stories in the DM and cannot find the same rules being applied here. The civil servants ensure that you never get to the end of the paperwork jungle,and even if you are 100% entitled to something it will take months to sort it out .
This in a country that is supposedly skint. These generous alterations to the rules apply only in this country of course. Meanwhile, in the real world of 21st Century Britain , working couples struggle to survive on not much more than the £250 per week which will be handed to immigrants who have never done a day,s work in this country;And in many cases never will.
Would it not be better to scrap all benefits and reduce taxes on employers who take people on to do work. That way, those who want to work can do so without being labelled the same as the benefits scroungers, whilst deterring people who turn up here with no intention of working hard.
My son has a degree in Chemisty, has tried everywhere for a job, lab assistant, shops anywhere and everywhere he gets jobseekers allowance and luckily lives at home. How do these people get £250.00 per week? If you voted Lib Dem, Labour or Tory, don't claim. Vote UKIP AND GET US OUT OF THIS MESS.
Huh..Refuse a disabled British person benefits, but give it to undeserving migrants.....sums up this country....perfectly
I am obviously doing it all wrong working for a living!!
The rules have to be lifted because they conflict with the EUÂ’s freedom of movement laws The UK does not allow free movement in and out of the EU anyway, So why should this one rule change? Try leaving Dover to go to France without your passport..... Your be in a cell faster than a pole coming here to claim JSA.
Does the EU have unemployment exchange programs? If so, I want to be unemployed and receiving benefits in the south of France please.
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. It is NOT a one way street. I would much rather spend £30 million on them, than give India £40 million in aid, when they very obviously can afford to spend billions on weapons of mass distruction and Space. Then there's all the other World Immigrants who get in here somehow and receive monies and housing that we can only dream of. Finally, there's the small matter of the £750 million a day spent on fighting a War we cannot win, in Afghanistan. Just imagine what that money could do here for our economic situation. Would there be any need for any cuts at all?
Madness! What is the ultimate purpose of the EU destroying Britain? Who is jockeying the system to take over, and what will be done with, or to, those who are natural born citizens? This cannot be accidental- it is purposeful, but to what sinister purpose?
Are these Eastern European Pensioners entitled to claim UK State Pensions ?
Perhaps it would now pay us - those in work - to also start to apply for handouts from the government. Give up our jobs but put our hands out and "claim" what we as Brit born are entitled to. No wonder the pot of money is going down when we are paying all and sundry when these people have never contributed a penny to our system. I can see the time when youngsters will never receive a penny they are penny for in their working lives simply because all the money has been given away by our caring governement.
come on british people stand up for yourselves before its to late , these politicians are out of control they need reminded it is we who pay for these acts of generousity not them . their kids still get a place in private education while i can't get my son into the local school due to lack of places
Absolute rubbish...and insane! Why is there a referendum on AV....the most important should we stay in the EU! But, we complain and nothing will come of it! We need a leader and government with a backbone!
Outrageous predictions from the past become terrifying reality in the present! There really are no words remaining which adequately describe what Blair, Brown and all the rest of those Socialist criminals have achieved in ending our culture! And you simply cannot exclude Milliband and BallÂ’s from this sickening and unstoppable end of what we were familiar with! What they have done to the very people who believed in the Socialist fable of improved social mobility and standards must rank as the sickest trick in political history! How stupid and fearful they must feel now as they witness the raw, terrible results of the treachery enacted whilst blinking in bewilderment at their own involvement through the ballot box! Brown's signature in Lisbon consigned those working class believers and the rest of us to a life that will be akin to the social terror of mid twentyÂ’s poverty, that irrefutably and traditionally results from a Labour term of office.
If I could get excactly the same benefits if I decided to go to an Eastern European country then I would have no grievance with this but that is not the case. Do this government think all the immigrants really want to come here to work hard. If they do they are not worth being in a position where every time they blow their noses it costs us British tax payer a fortune. These immigrants see a way of improving their lives without having to lift a finger and now they don't have to wait for 12 months there WILL be thousandsmore of them. How can this happen when I (and most of us British tax payers) have to have worked and paid contributions for 2 years before we can get even a few quid on JobSeekers. Vote UKIP (or BNP) and get this stopped NOW
A fit person should get no unemployment benefit. Instead they should work. We have plenty of cleaning work locally. A fat person, drug addict or alcoholic should not get incapacity benefit. An immigrant committing a crime that has a custodial sentance should be sent home and barred from returning, even if they are from an EU state. To do this latter we would have to repeal the Human Rights Act and also leave the EU. This is no big deal. We would have to turn round our bloated welfare system and this would be painful for a generation of benefits scroungers, but the bullet would have to be bitten one day and the longer we delay the greater will be the pain.
and to think i worked hard all my life only to subsidise people who have never worked a day of their life in this country. we have pension and child poverty yet this government are continuing to follow the lead of the last government in giving our money away to strangers whilst the countries debt continues to spiral out of control. when will these idiots who sit around a table in number 10 start putting the interests of their own citezens first.
we cannot afford to heal ourselves,police ourselves,educate ourselves, house ourselves and now we are going to have another influx of immigrants, when are politions going to learn that this will just creat friction in an already overcrowded country....there is only so many a life boat can hold before it capsizes??????
No to Europe yes to Britain, stop feeding the world Britain and look after and put your own house in order. £30 million - a new prison maybe, or maybe more police officers or nurses with secure jobs and safer streets
The flood gates are open.... come on Cammy, you PROMISED you'd stop this. You won't though will you, you're wayyyyy too weak and gutless. Indigenous British people FIRST Cammy. IF, and I stress IF, there should be any cash left over, then, and only then, we may be able to help others. As things stand at the moment, we must NOT give out more freebies to outsiders when our own people are so neglected, ill, poor, hungry, homeless etc. Shame on you Cammy, you are a VERY weak PM. You promised so much and delivered NOTHING except more grief to this country and it's people.
here we go brace yourslves, let the madness begin
This is sheer lunacy. I live in Bulgaria and in order to allowed to reside I had to sign to say that I could support myself and that I would'nt attempt to try and claim benefits off the state. If any of the ex pats here haven't got an income then they starve simple as that. So why oh why are we being so stuipd at giving benefits to all and sundry who will just come and milk the system. I still pay taxes in Britain and I resent my money going on daft things like this.
I see, and a pensioner, who contributed for 40 years to the system, will get in future 140 pounds a week. Shameful
There will also be the costs to our schools & NHS as no doubt they will turn up with their families in tow, Would their pensioners be entitled to claim the state pension ? & then the demand for rented homes will drive up rents, which will hit those on low wages ! Also as benefits are paid into bank accounts, how are these people getting bank accounts as there is no way a credit check can be carried out or does it mean that a British citizen who is refused a bank account as a result of credit checks that an Eastern European does not go through ! Would this not be discrimination against the British citizen YET AGAIN ?
The End Is Nigh , this is The Last Straw .
And how much is the state pension???
Someone should tell the Benefits Agency exactly what unemployment benefits entitlement criteria and rates are across the EU. They will be able to claim the three benefits immediately, as long as they can prove they meet their own countries’ requirements for unemployment benefit, are seeking to work, and are ‘habitually resident’ here. I think they will find that there is a minimum contribution criteria and that benefits are time limited. That is if the criteria is as the article states
Economically suicidal, an unsustainable policy which only lunatics would come up with.
I do think its time to stop this immigration now Mr Cameron, before there really is an uprising in this country, the people can only be pushed so far before they start fighting back and i think that the limit has been reached and probably surpassed. I for one have certainly had enough of all this.
oh wonderful - they can have £250 a week and yet thousands of sick and disabled people are being pushed on to £65 a week what jobs?? seekers allowance - in the name of cutting the deficit - people whom may i add HAVE paid taxes - HAVE contributed to the system - many during a lifetime of work - BUT have had the misfortune to become ill or disabled ( not ALL are career benefit scroungers despite what you are told by the press ) YET these people can stroll in here and claim when your own countrymen are being denied basic decency ?? subjected to unfair and in some cases corrupt medical assessment by firms who are being paid millions to victimize the sick and disabled at the governments behest - all to save money - for what ?? - to support any tom dick and harry from the EU that fancies a better life at OUR PEOPLES expense ?? high time we stopped supporting chancers from the rest of the world and put the money saved where it could do some good - like creating jobs
This will happen. No ifs or buts, people from Eastern European countries WILL come to the UK and take advantage of the system. As usual the UK government will not listen to the British public. The government will do nothing to help protect the country and vast areas of England will start to look like Eastern Europe. Sadly, the majority of British people will continue to complain about it, but likewise will do NOTHING. Fast forward to the year 2015 and I guarantee that you will be reading about how it happened here on DM. (Or perhaps the DM will be in the Polish language by then)
I damned well give up what am I paying taxes for , giving immigrants hundreds of pounds when this goverment is telling me and thousand of other workers that this country can't afford pay rises , seeing their wages frozen or being made redundant , drastic cuts to services with the excuse of having to cut our spending . foriegn countries and those coming into this country being treated better than our own citizens .Why are these immigrants being given this money ? who says that they are considered to be entitled to our money . I really despair.
I have said it many times vote UKIP and get out of this mess
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
So they think the cost of benefits will soar, what about the overload on the schools and NHS which are already overburdened and in serious trouble, where will they find social housing for these people? I guess we already know the answer to that one, UK people on the ladder will go to the back of the quue as usual.
At the right old age of 43 i was told i wasnt eligible to claim benefits even though i was born here and worked and paid tax all my life my only crime was working outside my beloved country for a few years.This is certainly a case of the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
how much more are we to give away is this why womens pensions are delayed are the english to keep the whole world the people here in POLAND think we ENGLISH are a big JOKE The pound is down to only 4:36 pln it used to be 6:5 the Joke is on the ENGISH tax payers
How much longer are politicians going to ignore the citizens of this country's call for a referendum on membership of the EU?
WHY......
Crazy UK. I am an OAP getting 124 per week for which I worked over 40 years. I feel guilty taking it as the UK is in such a mess yet I paid over 220 per month for my health and pension. Now I cannot have free health unless it is an emergency and my pension is frozen for life as I retired in Thailand. Again crazy UK. Here I have to have 16000 pounds in a Thai bank account to apply for my yearly retirement visa and report to immigration police every 90 days. I cannot buy land (that means even a house) in my name. I think Thailand is right and the UK very wrong. It is such a mess - God help Dave to sort out the mess that Brown left but this latest news looks like he can't or won't.
In which other Country would any immigrant just be able to turn up and start living off state handouts? I don't think there is one, The UK must be the laughing stock of the World.
what the hell is wrong with our political leaders ! the public want this unmitigated disarster of everyone busting through our borders grabbing the last few bob we have to the detriment and reducing the british standard of living without the nation having a say.the gvt must listen to its people and get the hell out of the eu,just tell them we are out! before theres big trouble,we are just about paying a poverty level of pension to our oaps and charging rip off tution fees of £9000 a year,which will be a mill stone around our youngs necks which will follow them into their graves,stop this treachery at once and consider our people and not your backpockets ! you hypocrites of the nations leaders , you must listen now and stop fiddling whilst rome burns
This is a joke, I could weep at this disgrace. Britain does not need this, who gave this the green light.
Living in Bulgaria I find this rather disturbing that the rules that applied to me whilst I lived in the UK are rather different for people who have replaced me. Out of work in the UK I was able to claim unemployment benefit after being made redundant of £56 per week. As my wife was working and I had a mortgage I was ineligible for housing benefit or any other hand out to help me survive whilst trying to find work. In Bulgaria it is rather different. It is impossible for an English man to get unemployment benefit. I know many British people who have moved here, bought a house and tried to find work. They have been unsuccessful and with benefits not available for Brits here, returned back to the UK, poorer and wiser. If you are Bulgarian or one of the few ethnics such as the Roma (gypsies) then a little cash is available, depending upon how many kids you have. You are also issued vouchers to help buy food. You also have to work one week in four for your Mayor, helping the community.
We are constantly being told that this country has no money. We are taxed to the hilt to supposedly pay our debts. (To whom by the way?) Money is no object though when it comes to illegal wars, overseas aid, MP's salaries & expenses. Now this! When are these multi-millionaire clowns ru(i)nning this country going to get their heads out of the clouds and realise that the UK is full & broke. Has any one of these idiots responsible for this, thought about where these people are going to live? The added strain on schools, hospitals, councils? How is this going to be funded? Thought not! Enough is enough! Time to get rid of the whole lib/lab/con & start again. PS: Looks like a good time to buy shares in the ferry companies.
This is a dreadful situation. They will be coming over here in their hundreds of thousands. Do you seriously think that other EU countries will be as bountiful ? NO of course not. Is Spain, Italy, Belgium etc etc going to pay this level of benefits. ? Not a chance - that is why they will be coming here.
Come one, come all... The UK is open for everyone, roll up, roll up, just sign on and enjoy the weather, the people and the free handouts... We're all loaded (apparently) so don't be shy, sign on now before we run out of money...
We are on a downwards spiral towards the total breakdown of civilized society in this country caused in the main by Britain's continued membership of the EU.
More lies from this government who promised an end to immigration. now they are making it easier for the dregs of Europe to sponge off the honest tax payer
There are billions being stolen by the banksters in our country and then there is corporation tax that multi-nationals barely pay. The benefits system is a drop in the ocean. However, as much as I don't support the EU, what can we do when we have a prime minister who openly lobbies for Turkey's membership into the EU? We can vote another party in - not Labour as they are in on it too. But the problem with the current system is these E.Euro countries don't have a welfare system in place like ours. So it is not uniform across the EU. This means the system is completely flawed. The only way it can work is if all EU countries have the same systems running in tandem where everything is the same. But that idea is totally against what I support.
Our benefit system has attracted the dregs of the world to our country and no government has done anything about it. I look around and see a multi cultural nightmare in a bancrupt country. Sure we have loads of foreign food outlets and hand car wash's but I don't see any real benefit from mass immigration.
Here comes yet another deluge of EU spongers expecting the hard working UK tax payer to give them a leg up. Listen to this. I PAY MY TAX's TO SUPPORT UK NATIONALS and some of those don't deserve a penny. Time this government called a halt to this stupidity, we don't owe anyone but ourselves.
"Britain faces a new influx of migrants who could claim benefits of up to £250 a week within weeks of arriving. From next Sunday, rules that ban Eastern Europeans from claiming unemployment, housing and council tax benefits until they have worked in the UK for 12 months are being lifted." We MUST get out of the EU now!
When I lost my job in the UK I went for five weeks looking for another one and never managed to get a penny in any state aid, even though it was my first time in over 30 years without a job....what was I doing wrong? We help everyone except our own.
Read this and weep to all those who believed Cameron would sort out immigration.There is only one party that everyone knows will stop this immigration madness and it starts with a B and ends in a P.The liblabcon will never stop immigration.They have never had any such intention.
Well, I suppose this is one way of scrapping the benefits system full stop! If the Government allow this to continue they know full well that the British people will call for it to stop. If it is to stop for EU immigrants then, in order for that to be legal, it must stop for all. If it stops for all, HUGE savings for the Government (what, you think they'd allow that to read huge savings for the tax payer???)
There was a time the UK attracted the best of the world, now its the lost drift wood, the scroungers, the professional criminals and the international terrorist. Of course this is painted over with a heavy vibrant coat of multiculturalism on top of an over priced undercoat of EU legislation that Gordy and his predecessors hurriedly signed away. If you have ever been away from the UK for any great length of time and returned then you will have notice the change in the social fabric of the country and it is startling and not in a good way.
Nice one UK the tax paying citizens have loads of money to give away,ha ha, the place is a joke and all are laughing except actual British people. When will someone have the balls to say "That's Enough" IT STOPS NOW.
as a pensioner, having worked for more than 43 years, you get around 100 per week, but as an immigrant from E Europe, you can claim up to 250 per week. makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it !!
Isnt it time that the european goverments took their heads out of the sand and did something constructive? the normal longworking citizen is often being told to tighten thier belts when the goverment need to make cuts in the budgets and increase taxes yet more and more are the goverments paying large sums to help those less fortunate that land on our shores.I dont see these benefits being given so freely to our pensioners that fought to give the present generation a chance in life that many of them never had. or to the handicapped .The goverments have no problems,they earn enough for their needs and can afford to pay for private care should it be needed at the taxpayers expense.what will happen when no one wants to work anymore because they haqve had enough of seeing their money being squandered? Lets go back to the old ways A days pay for a days honest work then maybe the country can be again proud.
As a pensioner I wish I could get £250 a week. I have worked since I was 16 until I was 70 and paid taxes all my life and still do. What a crazy country this has become!!! Roll on the big one, get me out of here!!!
DEAF EARS ............. DEAF EARS ................ DEAF EARS ................................... That's what all politicians seem to suffer from ... Enoch Powell's prediction of the 'Rivers Of Blood' is not that far away - and it's not the fault of the immigrants .... It's the politicians ....
Hmmmm treated the same way as British people....well they are wrong there.... We asked for things we get nothing.... Nice to know that all these immigrants can walk in and claim all this stuff.....can i claim anything to get the hell out of this country....NO Nothing Great about this country now.
£250 a week... that's more than someone working 40 hours a week on minimum wage... and that's before tax and NI kicks in... it pays to scrounge in United Kingdom. You get 40 hours of your life back too!
So our bills go up so immigrants can live off us. The Government needs to get a grip. Right now the BNP is looking very attractive to those of us who have never considered them in the past.
Disgusting - we would never be given the same comforts and benefits abroad so why do we have to tolerate this. It is totally deplorable
People would be wise not to lose sight of the fact that, despite some foreigner's claiming without having paid in to the system, the majority of Britain's welfare support bill is claimed by work-shy, feckless Brits. The idea behind the benefits system was to provide a helping hand, not to provide an alternative to work. If you want to smoke, drink alcohol, buy a new flat screen T.V, go on holiday, et cetera, get a job! I say it's high time we bought back food stamps
who is making these stupid decisions.just where do they think the money is coming from .only two options here .1 ,refuse to pay them this money or 2, GET OUT OF THE EU MADHOUSE.
I haved lived out of the country for 45 years can I come back and get my 250 pounds per week. By the way I still have my Geordie accent so maybe I should get 350.
I just can't understand why Europe wants to burry itself ...
Eva Katona, 22, is considering moving to Britain from the Hungarian capital, Budapest, to work as a nanny or carer. ‘The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,’ she said. 'Dole' is the magic word. Get ready for thousands more to follow her. You, the taxpayers, get to support them and their broods.
And people are complaining about the cost of the royal wedding? At least it's a one time thing, this will be the gift that just keeps taking and taking, with nothing to show for it but more and more scroungers, overtaxed schools and hospitals, and more crime as they bring their savage habits with them
I think I shall emigrate to Poland. If £450 is a month's salary, no wonder the blighters want to come here to get something for nothing. Mind you, those that do work, work hard and decently in the most cases I know of. But the British economy is failing fast due to economic migrants coming to this country and sending money back home. So when are we going to end this fiasco of a very uneven playing field which sees us supporting that system? What about a cap on the money that can be sent out of this country by a foreign individual?
The British taxpayer must be the world`s biggest mug.
Ah what good news! Where will the new wave of immigrants live then, I thought we were full?
More problems for the uk,and what is Cameron doing about this , probably nothing.
Don't all you Tory voters feel you've been taken for prize mugs by Cameron & co? It's all turned out to be no different to when Labour were in. Tories take over from Labour takes over from Tories, etc. etc.. Proof that there is absolutely no difference between any of them, including the lying Liberals. They are all just as corrupt, all just as self-seeking as each other. Now, are you going to stop being a blockhead and at last vote for the REAL alternatives before it's too late?
I paid into the benefits system all my working life, yet because I now choose to live in Thailand I can't claim one and even my state pension is frozen but the country seems a free for all to just about anybody in the world. Something must be wrong somewhare!
The way our politicians have betrayed us makes me very angry. This is going too far. They have sold off all our utilities that wasn't theirs to sell in the first place, pocketing all the backhanders they could get. We are the most heavily taxed of all Western countries, and we have to pay more than any other country for fuel, gas and council tax. So now any assylum seeker can walk in and take whatever they wan't. These politicians have lied to us and tied us up in this disgusting EU Human Rights Law thats left us with no rights and no law and order. I am in old age and have fought for my country, but I will always support the British people in their fight against these corrupt politicians who have sold us to the devil.
As usual, the people who will complain the loudest will the people who are currently the biggest parasites on the treasury. People who are fat with council houses, dole, tax-credits, bad-back-and-depression benefits, council-tax benefits, and all the other scrounger handouts. They are the LAST people who should open their mouths and complain about benefits.
A doleful expat I heard cry, Britain, I hardly knew ye.
250 pounds a week !!!!!!!, Absolutely obscene, and disgusting when you consider our own pensioners who have suffer hardships especially during the winter months, after a life time of contributions. Where are the priorities, of this government , obviously not with the British people. I hope everyone remembers this article come the May elections, my own personal choice UKIP, '' HAD ENOUGH, GET US OUT OF THIS NEST OF VIPERS, CALLED THE EU !!!!!!!!!!!!
All welcome in UK the only stupid country in Europe to give away money to all who ask for it.
The queues around the block at benefit offices this summer, especially at the offices around our coast lines will be longer than those that queue to see pop concerts.
Another reason to leave the EU NOW!
So, a BRITISH old age pensioner who has lived and worked in the UK all their life gets a pension of about £125 per week and an IMMIGRANT from eastern europe can claim £250 per week benefits. What is our useless government doing and why did we ever join the EU????
So much for the welfare clampdown. Some poor pensioner will probably have his/her benefits cut to pay for it. Thanks god i'm out of that place.
Unwanted and unwelcome, the sooner we get a party that represents the will of the people rather than the rest of the world the better.
At least they'll be registered and out in the open, unlike the illegals in the USA. Sorry if you're a taxpayer. Just tighten the belt and stiffen that upper lip.
A few years down the line we will read ' An extra 2 million migrants flood into Britain because of the Governments inability to control migrants from Eastern Europe' and hospitals, education and all the other sevices are stretched to breaking point. Well done LIB/LAB/CON you all have put the final nail in the coffin of this country. Everyone has a chance in May to send a clear message to our so called leaders that we no longer trust them vote for any party or independent in the local elections but not the main stream parties, after all the three main parties have had 66 years from the 2nd WW to make this country great again but have failed, and will continue to fail, so vote against them!!!!
This has to stop. We cannot afford it. Plus why would they get such a large amount?? Cameron needs to stop this before it starts. These people are going to bleed us dry.
Ha ha if they were benefit tourists this is the last place they would come to. They come here to take the jobs of the British and put them on benefits.
That's good isn't it, while pensioners struggle on the pittance they get after paying in for many years, migrants could claim benefits of up to £250 a week.
This ruling has NOTHING to do with the laws of the UK. It has EVERYTHING to do with yet more crazy EU laws. It beggars belief WHY Great Britain continues to have 650 bloated parasites loitering with intent in the House of Conmen, costing umpteen millions of pounds every year, when, in reality, all MPs are doing is rubber-stamping laws handed down by Brussels. Absolutely scandalous.
Time to get out of the EU before we go bankrupt.
They should never be allowed in until they can show they have enough money to live off; Stop state pay outs to none British until they have payed UK tax for 5 years or more; Our country is supposed to be broke; Why do our politicians allow this to go on?????
All the talking by the politicians is blah blah blah. Close the borders and save what little we do have and that most of us pay for through our tax !
Stop this madness now unilaterally suspend the agreement based on the simple and true fact we can,t afford it and more importantly do not support the entry of economic migrants who already have a job with pay or benefits however small in their own countries. If this Government want to prevent anarchy now then stop this total nonsense.
I really do not think 250 per week in this day and age is sufficient for these people to be able to have a reasonable standard of living, it should be increased to 400. This figure will attract more and more people to come to Britain and if enough come the Country will go broke quite quickly and when the money runs out they will return to their native Countries then maybe the Country will come to its senses, but by then it will be too late if it is not already.
Here we go again. Why don't we just give everyone benefits and not go to work at all. That would be a good idea. What is this government doing this for. We are the laughing stock of the world now and this is the cause of it. People just come here to get benefits and free housing.
One of the reasons we left the UK was because we resented being mugged of our income to hand to the scum of the earth. There are no benefits here or translation services, but we keep most of what we earn. It is ours to enjoy. We run business and work hard with very little government interference. Small business is being destroyed with all the idiotic regulations in force in England. I believe it is becoming impossible to do honest business without going broke back there.
Stick a fork in the UK - it's done.
I am British. I am also currently unemployed and semi-disabled. And I can't claim a penny. Something wrong here!
" Britain faces a new influx of migrants who could claim benefits of up to £250 a week within weeks of arriving. From next Sunday, rules that ban Eastern Europeans from claiming unemployment, housing and council tax benefits until they have worked in the UK for 12 months are being lifted. " This is wrong. Those people aren't here to claim benefits - they are here to take jobs from UK citizens and pay into the system - and that's all.
Now every Country in the EU will pay their scum to come to the UK. The Bus Co's will have a field day. Time to leave the EU and put the fences up.... We have 2 mill of our own scum on the dole, we don't need any more
he Home Office said it did not know how many migrants would be attracted to Britain by the benefits rules changes.----- That's pure bs. If a shop shouts out "free stuff inside everything must go" you can sure as hell bet that everybody within ear shot will rush like crazy in order to get something for nothing. It's the same as what the government has done. They have announced to the entire of Europe "Come to the UK, you can now claim benefits easier, faster, and more simpler than before" What do you expect would happen? People ignore this no of course not people are going to come here and abuse the system more than it already is in order to get what is literally free money for nothing. I really do wish the UKIP or even the BNP would win the election they'd put the Country back to the way it was before the sellouts Blair, Brown, Cameron, and Clegg gained power.
What a joke. If you ever wanted more evidence that the collapse of the system is intentional. HERE IT IS.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!!
Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back.
Sheer madness! Get out of the EU as fast as you can and start cleaning up the financial mess being foisted on British citizens.
Now every Country in the EU will pay their scum to come to the UK. The Bus Co's will have a field day. Time to leave the EU and put the fences up.... We have 2 mill of our own on the dole, we don't need any more
The only "freedom of movement" in Europe that I say is everyone moving to the UK to freeload. What about all the other EU countries benefits having parity with the UK and why is this travisty continuing to be allowed?! I feel sorry for every UK taxpayer that has to fund this stupidity.
David Cameron pre Election - "The people will get a referendum on whether they want to stay in the European Union". David Cameron post Election - "I actually think we're better off in the EU". The conservative party may be better off but what this and previous governments have done to the sovereignty of this country and it's people is sacrilege. God Save the Queen?
While the infighting over AV continues the peoples referendum on the EU is nowhere to be seen, as far as i'm concerned, a plague on both the tories and lib dem houses until we get our rightful regerendum.
Could we have some happy news for a change instead of learning, yet again, that the hard earned heavily taxed money the Treasury takes off us will be going to half of Eastern Europe when they come flooding in. As if we aren't stretched enough with the rest of the world residing in UK Unlimited we will have even more people exhausing our already overstretched NHS, transport, schools etc. The majority won't speak English and any children they have will drain further resources in already cash strapped schools. The Eastern Europeans will be able to send money home (not spending it in the UK economy) and provide a very nice nest egg when they eventually feel they have fleeced us enough. Don't look for your MP to stand up in the House of Commons as nothing will be done by the ineffectual, weak willed, cowardly excuse for a Government we have at present. (PS Labour were even worse!!!!)
Ha strict test DWP? You mean like the current ones where the system is being milked and it's out of control. Nice one you had me going for a secon there!
How many will it be this time around - another 800,000 East Europeans perhaps? If you don't like this idea. Tough..you should have voted UKIP. Remember the old saying - a fool and his money are soon parted.
My blood is seriously boiling and this can no longer be tolerated by the British people, this is just too much. I am voting for the BNP and will support them all the way because I'd rather have them then have tax payer's money constantly being wasted because this is never going to stop without radical change to undo everything LIEbour did to ruin this country.
David Cameron pre Election - "The people will get a referendum on whether they want to stay in the European Union". David Cameron post Election - "I actually think we're better off in the EU". The conservative party may be better off but what this and previous governments have done to the sovereignty of this country and it's people is sacrilege. God Save the Queen?
This is an insult to the tax paying people of this country. It shows what this spineless coalition Government ,and previous Governments thinks of it's population. I just wish for once they would put the people of this country first.They keep telling us we have to pay more and more,pensioners have to work longer before they can draw their pensions.Pensioners can't afford to heat their homes in winter,let alone eat.I bet they'd love to be given £250. a week.These immigrants have never paid a penny into the system, yet they are better off living here, than many of the indigenous population that have paid in all their working lives. Why has the ban been lifted? There's not enough work as it is,why do we need these people here,living off us like parasites. Get your act together Cameron, and grow a pair.Stop all immigration now.
Whens it going to end ?
Well come on Camoron........What are you going to to about this then? The floodgates for the leeches are still open. When are you going to close them? When all the bloods dried up?
Civil War is looming, and the thick Politicians don't see it. Things can not carry on like this.
I why not, as long as they stay in London who cares. Labour failed Lib Dems are away with the fairies. And now Tories are learning to kow tow to Euroland whims too. Effectively all three have destroyed Britain and urinated on England. So I suspect we will have to start learning Polish or another slavic language from now on.
I really am at a loss for words, unbelievable.
Why? Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?
Somebody please shoot me! This country is finished!
The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,Â’ she said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who,s crazy idea is this, Mr Camaron you'ld better do something about this or the Tories will be gone the next election.
How stupid. Firstly the first law of having to work for 12 months was stupid how can you pay in enough in taxes to then warrant taking potentially thousands in pay outs. AND now were going to allow someone to turn up no job in place and give them money for doing nothing it's not even like a lot of these Eastern European countries have a lot of poverty and we pay enough into the EU who then hand it over to these Eastern European governments.
More madness courtesy of the EU. I wonder what's going to happen...erm....More riff-raff, more of my taxes going squandered, more ill-will and unrest. Sometimes, I hope the Maya have got it right about next year, because living in Britain has become so depressing. There's absolutely no sense that the people in charge know what they're doing or that they have our interests at heart. You couldn't make it up.
We pensioners who have paid into our tax system for 40 to 60 years want who ever sanctioned this to be fired immediately. We get £100.00 per week yet my country is giving someone who should not even be in our country £250 a week. Roll on the next election when 12-13 million voters on State pension vote for UKIP. This lot are as bad as the last lot. We want them all out NOW.
What.....?!!!!!! Surely, they cannot be serious...!!! What the is going on in this country?
This handout only attracts drunks and criminals. Looks like the morons who drove Liebors brainless policies are alive and well.
I'm a 68 year old pensioner, born and bred here. Do you think I could have that, too?
When will this madness end? Why should UK taxpayers have to fund this rubbish when our people are suffering and struggling from cuts and job losses? There's always enough money to fund immigrants and all the services they require though. Expect a deluge of claimants with multiple children. Only requirement is to form an orderly queue.
My sister has worked all her life in the UK and paid into the system and as a pensioner she gets a lot less than these economic mirgants. England is a gravy train for those who have not paid into the system. How much longer must the true English person suffer these insults. Nobody from any country should get any benefits until they have paid into the system continuously for at least three to five years. It is an insult to those who have worked hard all of their lives in the UK.
Simple answer being,if you cannot afford to move,stay at home,even a person on a tourist visa has to show his/her financial situation
We Realy need to get out of the EU. We can't afford to look after our own,let alone belonging to this all consuming club that only benefits the MEP's.and foreigners. Audit the books and show us what the EU does for us,where the money goes, and why we should stay,then perhaps the British people may feel differently about it. We need to free ourselves of these shackles that bleed us dry and restrict our freedom.
Imagine, if Cameron had his way and Turkey got in the EU! We need out of that spendthrift cartel of corruption and sponging and stand on our own feet.
Can I come home to live near my family ? I have worked as an expat for 33 years - I reside overseas because I couldnt find work in the UK - I was only receiving 42 gb pounds per week as unemployment money - My rent was 150 gb pounds per week - what could I do? Had to go back overseas or live on the streets - I had no savings - We had joint accounts - I worked in the deserts of Libya and one never knew what might happen - My ex emptied the bank accounts before I came home and took the car that I bought but was in her name. I got none of the money that had been in the Bank nor any of the insurance money for the car which my wife took and was apparantley stolen.S much for the UK legal system. I survived when I returned home because my son lent me money and the company I worked for paid me 3 months salary whilst they waited for my return- I didnt receive the summons to appear in court until February - I came home in December for Christmas -- I am 63 yrs can I come home & get this money
This really is the final straw, watch as unemployment soars past 3 million and the BBC make out its all due to George Osbourne when infact its all due to the hated EU.
I'm Polish and I will tell you that reading articles like that makes me embarrassed to call myself a Pole. Pack them up and ship them home - their rightful home. The fact that they can come to a strange country, not work and claim your money is beyond belief for me. D:
I,m just speechless, This is just another exampled of us, the taxpayers being sold down the river by the anti British/political elite !
Im British Im 57 cant work coz of Arthritus and all I get is £65 a week . How come these immigrants can get so much when Britons get a pittance ?
When are we as a nation going to stand up and shout in a VERY loud voice that we have had ENOUGH of this farce we call the EU and it's stupid rules that cost US the British taxpayer a fortune ?
What the hell is wrong with you Cameron. Get a grip for christ sake man. That's my money you're giving away, whilst you're telling the likes of me who have paid into everything for years we will now have to wait another 10 years before we can retire and get any of what we've paid in back while this lot pay NOTHING and take it all. YOU KEEP TELLING US WE HAVE NO MONEY. This is a flaming joke. I think it's quite clear how angry I am. Idiots, the lot of them.
What I don't understand is in this EUROPEAN UNION, why is this the only country that gives out these benefits to the foreigners arriving,isnt the point of the union that all countries have the same laws ? Labour did nothing about it,in fact encouraged mass immigration, this rubbish coalition is doing nothing, how can the law have been made that 7 years after joining EU these immigrants can claim full benefits here but not in other EU countries? anyone got an answer.
you have got to be joking!!! I wish someone would tell me what the actual benefits to being in the EU are and why we are not coming out of it. We might just as well let the whole world live here as they can do so for free! And our benefits are obviously going to be more than some countries working wage, no wonder they are here and now even more are going to come. It's great, come and use our Welfare system, our NHS system and pay nothing, we've paid all our life and we still get nothing. And as for the DWP stating their will be strict tests in order for migrants to claim benefit, yeah right!
And what are these strict tests ? what a load of rubbish, we are being taken for fools, paying the rest of the wold to come here, free of charge, pensioners get the strict tests, and the current ones will not get the rise when it comes in, this country stinks, I really can't wait to get out, this unfairness is too stressful.
Didn't one of the terminals some 30 years ago have a benefit office for any immigrants from Pakistan and India? This has to be the best yet, these migrants have been benefit tourists since the 70's and anyone noticed they are MEN.................. stupid, stupid Governments and Government departments, led by fools, idiots and imbociles. The public have known this is for years, but we were called racists.
Stop this madness
2.6 millions foreign workers is not a lot when you compare it to the 10.5 million British who work in the rest of the world. Send the foreign workers back to their countries and you will have to find a way to feed more than 10 millions British who will be sent back to Britain as a retaliation.
all these people claiming incapacity benefits that can work, heres their answer to no jobs, send the imigrants home, 2.5 million jobs available
The readership of this publication is very quick to put down foreign workers. If it's not foreign workers, it's lazy Brits who cannot be bothered to get off the couch and go to work. Quite a contradiction really. Those on benefits, or foreign workers? Who is at fault today righteous ones? To me this article makes it sound like all of those lazy people you were having a dig at previously can now be bothered to start looking for a job. Also, a lot of you mention leaving the UK and moving abroad, “because the UK is overrun with foreigners”! That really is hilarious. The irony is that the citizens of other countries are more open-minded, less bigoted and contradictory than the UK population. Foreign countries are also very welcoming to people who are migrating and paying their taxes and income to their country. If you don't like foreigners, I’d advise you not to move abroad, it may scare you - there are lots of foreign people there!
If all the so called unemployed where not given so much money for doing nothing and made to work there would be no jobs for overseas workers, and anyone paying cash inhand are fined heaverly. if they were working on the books it would create thousands of jobs, and save the country millions.
Nick, Leiden, Holland. I live near Gatwick and that empty green verdant countryside you talk of is FARMLAND! Would you have us pave over that too and import all our food and make our native wildlife extinct?!
The reason the south-east is full,is because that's where Labour wanted the immigrants, not in their own back yards.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject. - Silent Stuart, Leeds,Britain, 19/10/2010 11:16 Polish people are returning to Britain because they get free child benefits,housing and jobs so remember that when this Government takes yours away. We are still being made by the EU to hand out money and housing to immigrants so remember that when you are on the council house waiting list. They are taking our jobs because they will take a much lower wage and this is what the boss who sacks you wants! If you are self employed Immigrants will undercut you to get the job so remember that when you are forced to sign on! The Labour policy of having a multicultural Britain is still in force even though the last and this Government knows it will never work as it only serves to divide a Country.
The key word here is 'workers', we can't blame people coming here to work when we allow our own indigenous layabouts do nothing for the equivalent wage of a chartered accountant. - Dan H, Woking, 19/10/2010 8:55 Blimey Dan £65 a week surprised you can find one. Typical of tarring all unemployed individuals with the layabout brush. The bottom line is Dan even a minimum wage job is hard to find and despite numerous applications (I'm 48 and ex BT Manager and a skilled IT worker) I struggle to even get a reply. I want to work, I am willing to take a min wage job all I ask for is a chance someone PLEASE EMPLOY ME.
Ministers are demanding a cap on migration. The british govt are bound by EU laws and are powerless to curb this migration. To give an impression that they are trying to reduce the numbers they are demanding a cap on Non-Eu workers a large portion of whom are highly skilled workforce unlike most of the EU migrants. These highly skilled people in most cases fill vacancies which are vacant because Britain does not have suffecient highly skilled people to fill these vacancies. The truth is EU workers are taking majority of the british jobs and the govt is barking up the wrong tree.
These people travel halfway around the globe to work their backsides off, and all modern Britain can do is moan about them from the collective national sofa. Still, I suppose it beats drinking beer and watching x-factor...
I haven't noticed them going away or leaving at all. I have instead noticed the marked increase in young families coming here from eastern europe. This I find more concerning than young single workers coming here as having dependants put strain on our services & infrastructure i.e schools, nhs & benefits system. I would rather we had one immigration system for all, so that we can have those with the skills we need, rather than having ulimited unskilled workers coming from the EU. The only way we can get the long term UK unemployed back to work is by having the jobs available. By keep allowing migrants to come here, is stopping us from achieving this. Also as younger generation migrants leave school/colleges they can also come here to compete for jobs alongside our own unemployed graduates/school leavers. This is unsustainable in the long term.
Why are we importing immigrants to undercut British wages. Britain is an expensive country to live in unless you are living 20 to a house. Immigrants are working cheap while the big anti-British businesses are making money at the British workers expense. We must get out of the EU.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about. - As Is, England, 19/10/2010 9:22 ------------ My husband has contacted loads of builders in the area (all from the UK) to do some work at home; most of them have not turned up or have cancelled many times, others could not be bothered to send a quote or took weeks to do it, and those who did tried to charge over £10K to do the work. Or builders around here have too much work or they just can't be bothered at all....
I read in the DM a short while ago that a Polish worker earns the same in one month here as he does in six months back home......
Welcome to the New World Order you haven't seen nothing yet David Cameron and his fake Tory party will carry on the same immigration policy as his heir Tony Blair that is a Open Door one to anyone from anywhere. There will be just as many immigrants as there has been 100,000s from outside the so called EU will still come, this is how you destroy a country by within flood it with immigrants. There is now no one left to vote for all politicians from all parties are Traitors/Quislings/Fifth Columnists and will never put the British people first or this country, people have yet to awaken to this fact or will refuse to believe it "thats it everybody Goodbye Britian Goodbye England" over 90% of all immigrants land and stay in England its a English problem and no one will do anything about it. Look what the LibDems have just done tore up every policy they made what liars they all turned out to be and the Tories wake up everybody your vote isn't worth the paper you put your cross on.
"How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!" Well I will explain ,most of the British workers are bing paid off so they can employ foreign workers at a cheaper rate .These people have not paid anything into this country and are claiming money for their children and housing . Looking at a lot of the comments on here is looks like a lot of retired people comment on a job market they know nothing about
We could solve all our problems in one go by getting out of the EU now and not giving one more penny never mind the billions we give at the moment.
Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze - roger, brighton, 19/10/2010 09:40 I wouldn't agree ..Here in Brighton ,the majority of people walking around the shops in a middle of the day are overweight ,laud,foul mouthed,gold wearing mothers of 5 ( by 5 fathers) never worked never wish to ,not bothered ...shouting to a (probably Eastern European) girl cleaning floor in MacDonald - Oi! you make me shoes wet ,them were 80 pound! we are dealing with years of wrong very bad benefits culture .And foreigners to blame ? Don't give the jobs to the foreigners.simples
"Why do you think someone who doesn't speak the native language very well was an advantage over someone who does? it's hard-working immigrants that are keeping this country anywhere near competitive. - mark, gateshead, 19/10/2010 11:00" Wrong - hard working immigrants put hard working Brits on the dole so increasing taxation to pay the benefits bill so making us non-competitive. Why? because there are a limited and reducing number of jobs available in this country as companies export jobs because the cost of employment in the UK is too high. But note immigrants work for the same wages as Brits would do in those jobs that are properly advertised. Immigrants are "preferred" because that was NuLiebour's policy (continuing under ConDemn) as part of selling out to the EU.
Don't be so quick to blame Eastern European workers for taking British jobs. British kids are often simply too lazy. Decent, hard working Poles, Lithuanians and so on are flogging their guts out in our service industries while British kids are on their backsides at home watching East Enders omnibus or living out their fantasies on mind-rotting computer games - I profoundly wish it were not the case, but this is exactly what's happening...
"Only 7 years ago, in the summer of 2003, before the admission of 8 Eastern European countries to the EU, there were 1.39million foreign nationals in jobs..." Please check your facts. With the best will in the world, I can't see how you arrived at a figure of "eight Eastern European countries". The Czech Republic, for example, is proudly Central European. And this is far from being just a question of semantics: clearly, correctly labelling EU member states would detract from the blunt, Cold War-style message that somehow, those from the West are welcome, whereas those to the geographic 'East' of the former Communist border are a curse. What of the thousands of Brits who live and work in Central/Eastern Europe, taking advantage of the low living costs and high wages afforded to English speakers? We are guilty of the same opportunism. Yet I like to think that my British colleagues and I are performing a useful service in our host countries. I'm sure many "Easterners" feel the same.
I worked at a warehouse in Glasgow (relatively high unemployment at parts). I worked with many Poles in that job at night/morning and they were great, friendly enough and hard working. We could not get local workers, full stop. The money was above average and more on days but easier not to bother. Who wants to be a cleaner when they wanted something easy? The problems we had were students blitzed on Sunday mornings and late as well as well as it being too difficult to get to at night (no buses door to door) meaning you'd do what the Poles did- walk, cycle or share a car. I have no problems with immigrants coming here to work- only those who sit and scrounge. Dare I say it some Poles spoke better English than some of the locals! If you gave me the choice I'd deport our scroungers and replace them with Poles.
Interesting, no mention of the million plus Brits that work in mainland Europe. And equating the 'foreigners' with the unemployed number is just silly - the 'foreginers' will do a full days work for whatever money, hence why they have a job.
Whoa whoa Mr Cameron with the defence cuts, just take a look at the headlines in the daily mail. you can save billions by sending all the foreign workers and immigrants home. there will be plenty jobs, and money saved to make our country safe.
Paul - Lincolnshire is 'empty' because it has fields and fields of vegetables and sugarbeat. It is not actually empty at all. On another aspect: what on earth is the point of foreigners taking all the jobs in Lincolnshire etc. while Brits sit on their bottoms being kept, and not paying taxes. The foreigners won't be paying taxes either as their rates of pay are so abysmal, and will be sending home what little they earn. The whole system is ridiculous.
The statement that the British workers wont take some of these jobs because of the low pay is quite true, but to keep a house, family and a car going on £3.50 per hour is not possible, so it is not the fault of the British workers, it is the fault of this government not to make sure that wage's are high enough to live by?
Went out this morning............came back with very wet feet.........think the country is finally sinking with this great mass descending on the UK.
Looks like a great fuel for the BNPs fire.
All immigrants do is keep wages low and rents high!All those leftys on here who bleat "we need these foreign workers here to keep food prices low and to do the jobs that British people wont do!" You condone the exploitation of non unionised workers who are ignorant of their rights ,such as training,holidays ,safety & union rights .Great socialist thinking!.What rubbish! It`s pure greed !Greed by factory owners and farmers .You`ve been conned.Socialists are so gullible! Its merely to make vast profits not to keep food prices low! If this is the case why do food prices keep going up and food is the most expensive its ever been?If British people did the job for higher wages there would be absolutely no difference.The higher prices would be affordable. Yet now we have to pay the dole money and benefits of 2.4million British workers who cant find work because of foreign workers!Great forward thinking!No wonder were in a double dip recession! Pure greed thats what it is!
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20 Those giving you all reds should go and see a head doctor. How can you "not like" a comment, that says someone is polite ? You are losing it people....
Listen!!!!! Dont you worry about us Polish People,We ll leave one day and you gonna stay here with your "real" friends from...pakistan,bangladesh,india and half of africa! hahahahaha I am sure they are going to work for you not claiming benefits for their...6 kids! Good Luck hahahahah
As an employer I ask:- do I employ a hard working, educated, polite foreigner or a lazy, rude local who thinks he knows everything and expects more money than he's worth?
The EU free movement directive at work. The only way out is to leave the EU, and then only if we scrap the Human Rights act that stops us returning immigrants if they may be less well treated than here, which is most of the world.
Well, it looks like there ARE jobs after all. Come on you feckless benefit scroungers.... there are no excuses not to find work !!!
Despite all that is said about immigrants, thank goodness the Poles are back. Any chance of exchanging them with our benefit -scroungers. We can put them in the back of trucks. Nobody would check going the other way!
Foreigners hire foreigners - I have seen hundreds of examples of this. Also, many employment agencies are now staffed by foreign workers who get jobs for the overseas workers and do not give Brits a chance. The idea that all British people will not take jobs is just a joke - many great high paying white collar jobs are also going to non-British workers (like many posts in the City) and no, that's not because the foreign workers are better and people wouldn't kill to work there. They include 'soft skilled' jobs - someone should do a proper review. - Eds, Cambridge, 19/10/2010 10:16 As per my post earlier, I have got 50% of Brits never turning up for interviews, and dropping out of work after finding out they will not be bank managers being barely able to read and write in their own language, numeracy on a level of an average 8 year old Eastern European, not to mention punctuality, going extra mile and being committed( things you might have heard about in American films).
If this government really are serious about getting people off benefits and changing the whole benfefit culture that has made this country so unfair against the average working family they must get a grip on all forms of immigration immediately. All work should be filled by UK citizens wherever possible. Also any benefits recipient should be made to repay the taxpayers by doing some type of community work. This is the only way forward from here but until these immigration measures are put into place nothing will change.
"How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth" Because these jobs are filled through agencies who advertise overseas for them. And no-one in the UK will take responsibility for training and using our own potential workforce because this would mean standing up to the EU.
Another day another "layabout, lazy, benefit scrounger" response to those unfortunate enough to be temporarily out of work like myself. I want to work I will pick spuds, wipe bum's anything all I ask is for a chance and min wage. But I can't as all jobs here in Thanet be it on farms, care homes, factories or our the countries biggest greenhouse Thanet Earth are taken by East Europeans. These jobs are never even advertised. Employment in this country is a joke and worse if your unemployed and want to work.
SAD ,but it's TRUE -Great Britain it's not any more that Great.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject. - Silent Stuart, Leeds,Britain, 19/10/2010 11:16 So you are saying the true feeling is not the racist bile that is spouted on here?
"You should see the Poles in Stratford Upon Avon every day, hanging around in gangs. I thought they were supposed to be working? We are being lied to and suppressed. Those of you unbelievers need to see a optician." - Yampi, Warwick, 19/10/2010 11 ...and it's not like you never see gangs of English people hanging around and causing trouble, is it!!
Val D. Telford, Oh! how I agree with your comments, almost as mine are in a previous posting. Every available piece of land in this area is gobbled up by developers, a small pub was knocked down and it was breathtaking how much building went on in this place, mostly apartments, some of these are proving to be a waste of time, they are so horrible to look at, most resemble public toilets and nobody wants to move into them, but we have been swampeed by relentless building work and, like you, are seeing the demise of any kind of green belt remaining.
"All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20" Lucky you. Many come here who cannot speak English, are rude (maybe as a result of the former) and are criminals.
sad but it's true-Great Britain it's not any more that Great
This again shows why the EU is bad for this country, allowing workers who contribute nothing to this economy undercut british workers causing us to pay for their upkeep and forceing wages to lower levels so the bosses of the big companies can pay themselves massive bonuses that they don't pay tax on as they claim they live abroad. If we were out of the EU we would be out of this financial mess, simply by decreasing benefit payments, eliminating EU payments and increasing tax revenue from British workers doing British jobs, no more cuts to the defence budget, lowered NHS and Schooling bills and more houses available to british people.
Cris, London I totally agree with you, Eastern Europeans are very polite and hard working, the Eastern European women have pride, self respect and style, you do not see them behaving like English girls on a Friday and Saturday night, drunk and very un ladylike. Many of the comments on here are racist, do English people not work abroad, do English people not buy houses abroad hiking up the property prices for the native people. Many English people would be a lot nicer if they just live and let live. Dont forget we fought hitler in the second world war because he was racist.
As much as Liebour were the main reason this has happened do not forget that David Cameron is now the Prime Minister. He is repeatedly blaming Labour but how about doing something about it now you're in power?
Absolutely Bloody Disgusting! The Govt and Businesses of Britain should be hanging their heads in shame this is a national outrage!
The simple fact is that too many Brits won't take the hard jobs because they think the world owes them a living - which in many benefit cases (not all) it's been made a better and more profitable option. I have struggled to meet any Eastern Europeans who aren't hard working, but to meet a lazy Brit isn't quite so hard. Sadly, too often an old fashioned work ethic has gone.
I'm still struggling to understand how this can be good in anyway. We are paying more unemployment to British workers and borrowing money that goes to foreigners who then take it and send it back to their own countries? Like global warming the EU is nothing more than a means of redistributing OUR wealth to others who do not have the work ethic to build their own.
How about a system where we pay the same benefits to any immigrants that they would get if they were in their own country, and vice versa to any UK citizens that go abroad. That way its either work or get next to nothing! Also, finger print or iris scan all immigrants, which gets checked every time they go to sign on, so they can not claim benefits if they are not entitled to it, all too often they work as Joe Bloggs and claim benefits as Billy Bloggs, enabling them to work for less while claiming benefits, and i have seen this with my own eyes. They live in nicely furnished council houses with all the mod cons cause they are cheating the system and getting away with it. And when you report them nothing gets done and the reporter gets classed as racist!
What a load of nonsense!! It's about time the urban myth of " foreigners only take jobs the British don't want" was put to rest. I run a small business where ever week we have numerous callers from Africa and Eastern Europe looking for work and without fail we hear the same thing " I'll work for less than your workers!" To many greedy business owners they'll happily take them on (and I know of several cases where business people have got rid of their own workers and brought in the cheaper workers. Disgraceful!! I won't! I have a business that cares for the elderly and I want them to be in a happy environment where they understand those around them and can see to their needs. This country needs a good kick up it's backside. Mass immigration isn't positive; it's damaging all areas of our lifes!!
I wonder if they ever closed the tax loophole where if a foreign worker isn't 'permanently residing' in the UK they do not pay tax here, but supposedly in their country of residence. Working here, pocketing the lot and 'holiday' back home several times a year to maintain their status. 2.4million... would someone like to spill the beans properly about this?
East European workers -- for the most part enthusiastic, hard-working and without a chip on their shoulder -- can get jobs because British-born workers, including British-born minorities such as Muslims -- are too lazy, or lack the basic social skills, or have chips on their shoulders about what work is good enough for their status, or receive little if any support, or get too much tax-payer-funded support. Solution? Ban ALL handouts and create a bank of paid community and other jobs for those unable to find work themselves. At least our unemployed (those claiming benefits) would have to work for their tax-funded benefits and would get into a routine of regular employment.
Excellent news. Eastern Europeans are by far the friendliest, most professional and most reasonably-priced traders on our island. Bring more of them here and send all the rogue trading white van driving poorly mannered Brits away somewhere else. Sound a bit crazy? Right, well then we need to work together, not against one another.
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20 That isn't the point. I see a lot of Poles etc in the City (pubs, coffee bars, whatever). Are they nice people? Yes. Do they work hard? Yes. Do I like them as individuals? Yes. Do they contribute more than many other immigrants? Yes. Do I want so many of them here? No. It's not about individuals, it's not about racism, it's about the impact of the badly thought out and unpopular policy of MASS immigration.
We have nothing to worry, now our government is tough....or to be more exact our government talks tough and does nothing.
New World Order (again)
What did you turkeys expect when you voted for the pro-EU ConDems?
To all those who say "Good, bring them in, our lazy, yobbish lot won't do the jobe" etc, should think how they would like to work a 12 hour shift for the minimum wage. By the time people have paid their transport to work, they're often worse off than on benefit. There's no chance of any career progression, job satasfaction or recognition from bosses either. Who's up for that? The solution is, I believe to make work pay for our own people. Even if it means paying their transport and letting them keep more of their benefit. There's enoucragemnt to go and do the work then and the money would at least stay in our country. The immigrants would also not be draining the NHS and schools etc. Anyone who doesn't want to work after all that, can be left to their own devices, I think that's fair enough
Did anyone see the recent Southpark with most of the USA becoming New Jersey as people moved west? Do you see a pattern emerging?
Don't know why you are all knocking it. They are reliable and hardworking and if employers prefer them to the Brits who are not known for being dependable, why shouldn't immigrants have the jobs.
Oh great, it looks like I'll be on the dole for a while longer then.
Just who is employing these people?.....Why the very same bosses who give their backing to the Tories, that's who !......So don't expect too much change !
Isn't 2.4 million 300,000 below the official unemployment figure? Go figure.
My husband is a skilled carpenter/joiner. He undersells himself at the best of times, but with the influx of these pretend builders from Eastern Europe (and they are - we have witnessed plenty of shoddy workmanship) he has had to drop his prices still further. The cost of materials however is going up week on week. It's about time the immigrants were all sent home and the jobs they vacate should be given to the jobless Brits. MAKE THE BRITISH UNEMPLOYED DO THESE JOBS - TRAIN OUR YOUNGSTERS - BRING BACK CITY AND GUILDS. Whilst I agree with some posters that most immigrants I come across are polite and hard working, our country is in such a mess that we need to look after our own first.
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Minimum Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 I also live In Colchester & I know this to be true. I have a few eastern European friends & the reason why they are employed over English people Is because they are willing to work longer & for less money. I was a labourer working on Colchester's new football stadium on £100 per day. I lost my job when my employer got In a Polish guy to work for £50 per day ! I have a family & financial commitments. How can I compete with that ?
The problem is the british workers, they don't want to work in the factories, I work in a factory and paid alot more for packing boxes than I would get for driving a lorry, working in an office in a Somerset office, how do I know this because I been looking at these jobs and were surprised that by how little they pay. Where I work is full of people from Eastern Europe because no Brits want to work there because it is factory work and english people I know have taken thousands in paycuts to work in offices and shops. Stop slagging off the East Europeans when the brits will not do these jobs ( I am english)
People should not be judgmental about the unemployed British who don't take these jobs. These young, single, fit & healthy migrants come over for the season, live in their dirt cheap pigsty accommodation and then take their low UK wages to their home country where they can fund their dream, getting married, setting up a business or higher education. UK residents cannot do that, you would just find yourself homeless with no money at the end of the season.
At the root of this is principle. The foreigners from the EU are here on the back of an illegitimate treaty that was not mandated by the British people (the Tories and Labour lied about it to get voted in). It is nothing personal against the Eastern Europeans. But if we do not have the chance to run our own country, then all is lost. The foreign invasion is indicative of how much we have lost control. Our politicians don't suffer, and they have organised it. They are traitors, and instead of voting for them, you need to think about the possibility of their being tried and punished appropriately.
I'm all for people who actually get off their backsides and do some work. Oh, and Eastern European women are so much better looking than the fat, ugg-booted trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 19/10/2010 11:08 Superb comment, This is why I have a wonderful Polish wife. I think what you was trying to say was MOST woman from the UK think their Lads, gob off too much, drink too much? you get my point though. RED Arrows here >>>>>>
British citizens will work for a living wage. They are not prepared to live like animals in dirty overcrowded conditions, for a pittance that ends up in the landlords pocket. Immigrants will do this because it's not forever and what little that is left over will be worth more in their own country! many are claiming CB which is worth a fortune once converted into their own currency and some will claim for non-existent children, for many CB is the carrot. Once they have enough NI contributions some will go on JSA and apply for council housing which they will get because they are immigrants! - liz, southend, 19/10/2010 10:26 I would like to invite you to Longsight, Salford and Moss Side, alternatively Crumpsall in Manchester. Maybe you will wake up from your fairy tale dream and start walking on the ground again. Hello ? Hello ? Anybody there ???
British jobs for British workers. Now what do you say Mr Brown? - Major Bill, Chesterfield, 19/10/2010 11:05 Brown appeared to do absolutley nothing to pur the situation right, but don't forget he isn't in power now. If David Cameron had any go he would have rectified this within weeks of gaining power, but he seem just as useless as his predecessor in this case. Though for defending Briain he seems considerably worse. Maybe (but very unlikely), one day we'll get a Prime Minister and Government who will stand up for Britain, keep things British and not give parts away or sell them off.
guto nythbrann, mobile, uk. yes, agreed, we did all those things - and now you are doing them to us, which knocks you off the moral high ground, i'm afraid. you can only complain about our treatment of you, if you are not doing the same. with our behaviour as an example, people who genuinely believed it to be wrong, would resist doing exactly the same. also, our former colonies demanded, and rightly got, independence from us - but how are they independent, when you have to come over here and live off us? live in your own countries, sort out your problems, so that you don't have to come begging off us, and then you will be really independent, and can sneer at our past behaviour all you like. afraid you can't do that now.
the reason young British kids can't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 Get your daughter to go in again and take a tape recorder with her for evidence.
Following my previous comment, let's get to the real causes of unemployment for UK citizens. Employment regulations in the UK make it very costly for employers to take on permanent workers with the high costs of NI contributions, sickness pay, maternity leave (which is getting crazy) running PAYE and pensions contributions if they have pension schemes and finally the very high costs of making people redundant if times get slack. Osborne needs to address this and help UK business. As for agencies they should be banned they are profiting off the backs of the unemployed and are maximising profits by hiring foreign workers that they know will give them no hassle or complaints, as they would just sack them. Do these agencies pay NI for workers? NO Do they deduct PAYE taxes for them? NO How much in taxes is the country losing because of this? The reason foreigners flock here is that English is the universal language along with the benefits.
The tipping point was reached when the voted for Common Market reinvented itself as the NOT voted for European Community (Federation by any other name). Nothing can be changed without their consent, so in fact most MP's are a pointless waste of money. As an old git I still see it as being conquered by the back door.
and that clown cameron says hes going to force people back to work by stopping theyre benefits . WHEREARE THEY GOING TO FIND THE WORK WHEN THE COUNTRY IS IN THIS MESS
I have been homeless for 2 years. I have been told I cannot get Housing Benefit without being on Jobseekers Allowance, that I cannot get put up in a night shelter or homeless hostel without being on Jobseekers Allowance. How am I supposed to go for a job living on the streets? I cannot go on benefits without a postcode (when you call the benefits helpline, you have to give a postcode to the automated voice, otherwise you cannot get through). The CAB tell me that you can get Housing Benefit without being on Jobseekers Allowance! I called the CLJ (government offices), I called the Housing Minister, I have written to Iain Duncan Smith (e-mail got returned!!! - obviously not on that e-mail anymore) but what I did find out from the Govt - go on benefits, go to your Council, call shelter> I have even had a social worker trying to sort all this out for me. Brent Council were not interested.
Ok...so 2.4 million foreigners working in a county with a population of ~60 million?? Australia has a population of ~22 million with ~1.1million Brits alone working here without other foreigners, I really don't see what your problem is. Maybe if the dole didn't pay more than the minimum wage you might get some of those benefit dependant Brits a reason to get off the couch, we had the same problem here ~20 years ago where the dole paid better than a minimum wage job so no reason at all for someone to go to the effort to get off the dole back then, now it's a different story.
So thats another 2.4m Brits who cannot get work. Better increase the budget for unemployment benefits.
Most EU immigrants never left in the first place and have decided to sit it out on our benefits system as this is where they are financially better off. For those that have left, well they're coming back to do the same! Also most of the jobs that pay 'off the cards' have been taken by immigrants because they will work longer hours for less.
'The country is full to the brim'. No it isn't. I went on a road trip with few friends last week, we passed through Dorset and marvelled at all the EMPTY SPACE. The only people who cry 'England is full!' are Little Englanders who blame everyone else in the world for their rubbish lives, when the truth is perhaps a little harder to face. - Andrew, Wood Green, So you won't be happy until the whole country is covered ion buildings?
When I was a student in the '60s we all worked in factories of all kinds to earn money during our summer vacations. Whole factories used to run during the summer months on British student temp labour; the system worked and they liked us as we were smart enough to get the hang of the job straight away, whatever it was, and boy did we work hard for not very much money, but we were desperate and glad to do it. Whatever happened to all that? Does it still happen?
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork. - long gone ex-pat, Outside the U.K., 19/10/2010 10:02 Do we not need to know the truth?
The comments on here from people fortunate enough to live in areas where there is employment really hack me off. Speaking as someone that did get on their bike for economic reasons many years ago I do think I have a right to speak on this. Being a highly qualified engineer and also having family to help me in the area that I moved to made it slightly easier for me although it did break up my family as my wife then did not want to move. Also I moved as soon as I was made redundant and never claimed ANY benefits, so had enough funds to keep me going until I got going again. Can these people that sneer down their noses at the unemployed explain to me how unemployed in areas of zero employment, claiming benefits can do this? Not everyone's circumstances allow this. I know if I had not been highly qualified and had some funds it would not have been possible. Another comment to follow on the real reasons for foreigners are taking the work.
I don't mind Poles coming to Liverpool as long as they learn to speak Scouse. We have a big Chinese community and they all speak Scouse. Jan Molby was well respected for his "dey don't do dat doh do dey" (they don't do that though do they). Being a natural comedian would also help. We don't have many jobs in Liverpool though. Maggie saw to that.
I'd much rather have a country that people want to travel to to work than have to move abroad to find work where they speak a different language. Count ourselves lucky in this respect.
Most of these immigrants earn the minimum wage. How do you imagine someone who was earning around £24,000 a year will cope with competing and dropping their wages to £12,000 a year. They will no longer be able to pay the mortgage, the bills, petrol, feed the family, put money aside for any problems that may arise, let alone saving up for any treats or luxuries. The only people that benefit from low wages are the companies that employ them. Most people aren't lazy but they cannot afford to compete with immigrants. As for people saying the country isn't full because they can see fields. Are you stupid? Do you think we should concrete over the countryside and every bit of green land there is? Lets cut down the forests and build skyscrapers on them. I've never heard such ridiculous arguments.
Does this mean over 2million more jobless Britons. How can the government sort out our own long term jobless if we keep importing workers.
What we need is a strong government, the labour party deliberately bought voters by giving them benefits. Until we reduce the level of benefits paid to men we will need immigrants to fill these jobs.
1) If they are Europeans they are not foreigners 2) How many British live and work in Europe ?
They send most of their money home so thats in the region of £36 billion going out of the economy plus the cost of British workers pushed onto the dole. Absolute madness
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork. - long gone ex-pat, Outside the U.K., No long gone ex pat, what it does is show the real, the very real problems in this land that you have left, it is not xenphobic to be concerned over, jobs, housing, space or indeed the culture of this country.
What a surprise, the Foreign Workers, being roughly equal in number to our unemployed. Entirely without the consent of The British People, just like EU membership and Immigration in general at last admitted by the Germans to have been a complete failure !
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them....
This whole foreign worker issue is easily resolved. 1. Only companies that export their goods or services overseas should be allowed to hirer foreign workers; Public Service and UK centric jobs generate no wealth for this country and any foreigner spends or sends a large proportion of his salary to his country of origin thus further impoverishing this nation. 2. Foreign works are employed as single status with all health and accommodation costs the responsibility of the employer 3. No right to any form of allowances or benefits until they have contributed for at least 5 years. 4. No right of residence until they have completed 10 years continuously. If the employer no longer requires their service, cancellation of visa with return to country of origin. 5. No transfer of employment without return to country of origin.
Bosses say these workers are vital for the success of their companies. The old excuse that Brits wont take the jobs wont wash any more. The reason the Brits wont work for these bosses is mainly the abysmal rates of pay they offer. Why should a business that cant survive without the workers, who do work for them having to claim tax and social security benefits be allowed to trade. Its the same with the so called falling mail volumes in Royal Mail. What the bosses and government fail to admit is the firms who use Royal Mail to deliver their so called independent service are heavily subsidised by the British tax payers. A subsidy started out as someone's tax contribution.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject.
I think what you mean is the South East is full, Lincolnshire and Northumberland is empty compared to there. Maybe that's because we have had all the investment in the South while the North has been bypassed. Victims of your own succes really.
You should see the Poles in Stratford Upon Avon every day, hanging around in gangs. I thought they were supposed to be working? We are being lied to and suppressed. Those of you unbelievers need to see a optician.
No one ever seems to mention the economic downside to our economy, resulting from migrants sending money home. This may be actually damaging to the UK. I've read the (ONS) figure £6b mentioned, but this may just be to countries outside the EU. We've all heard of the crippling effect on local services, but we may also be losing billions on top of that? The House of Lords Select Committee on Immigration Report (2007) after a 2-year cross-party study concluded that 'there was little, if any net economic benefit to immigration'. So there...! MPs must be aware of the report, yet they have done nothing to about it. Presumably, MPs must think that either his Lordships were lying, or else were incompetent old fools? Whatever, there has been no public debate on this report (and anyone can download a free copy - and it's a most interesting read).
Pull us out of the EU. NOW
Thank goodness for that. The more the better. I'm all for people who actually get off their backsides and do some work. Oh, and Eastern European women are so much better looking than the fat, ugg-booted trolls in my street.
cheap labour is what the bosses wanted and blair and brown opened our doors to give them it. keeping thousands of brits on welfare we cannot afford,if we had let these two have another ten years our country would have been demolished
"Eastern Europeans may be taking jobs that workers here are reluctant to do, possibly because unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low paid or too demanding." Not quite getting it are we? Just as the building trade and our own businesses pick up, we will not see our unemployment figures reduce but we will see our benefits bills rise. These Eastern Europeans will work for considerably less than our own people because their cost of living is less and is being subsidised by our benefits system which continues to pay out even when they return home. I know we no longer understand treason in the UK ( a very loose term for three traitorous parasitic nations and one that supports all) but what the businesses who employ Eastern Europeans are doing is nothing short of treason. They are traitors who should be named and shamed. They have betrayed our own people and will kill our economy.
I recently went for an intervierw for a job, and was informed that most of the people I would be working with were Polish. I couldn't work out why they even mentioned that. I was very qualified for the job and experienced in the line of work. I didn't get it. I am fairly certain it went to another Polish worker. So it's not about British workers not wanting the jobs, I think there are businesses out there employing foreign workers because they feel that British workers are probably more aware of their rights and have a support system.
Andrew Wood Green 10.01am So you "drove through Dorset and marvelled at the empty space". Has it never occured to you that to feed 60+million we need farms,and unpopulated areas just so that people can occasional get out of our towns and cities and enjoy a walk in the country.I've seen our population increase dramatically since the war,and it is because of this increase,we think enough is enough that we are saying stop all immigration now. Or would you rather wait until the whole land is covered in roads and housing estates and we have no rivers or lakes to obtain water or farms to help feed us ?
The day the Government stop paying Benefits to people entering the country also child benefits unless they have paid something into the system,they walk out of the country still claiming benefits,no wonder the country is in a mess,stop giving taxpayers money away.
British jobs for British workers. Now what do you say Mr Brown?
sorry folks. You are all wasting your time complaining. We are in the total grip of socialists who do not recognise any of your complaints The socialist mindset is one of total state control so any talk of 'saving' money by reducing benefits to our unemployed and therefore getting them back to work is useless. The socialist government (posing as a con/lib coillition) is now hellbent on destroying our defence capability and 'sharing' out aircraft carriers with our 'allys'in the EUSSR .Making cuts in our defence instead of making them where it will really make a difference ie. getting rid of wastefull government departments and quango's Roger Worthing
sally,canbs and roger,brighton have it correct. the figures show that the eu immigrants figures are 86,000 to the rest of NON eu at only 39,000 combined ! its not as much those workers taking jobs and benefits as it is the eu people ! Roger england...stopping ALL immigration cant and wont work, many of the skilled workers come from places like the USA and those numbers are well down, and fyi, being NON EU we pay a fortune in visa's to come here! Even being married to a brit Ive paid almost 4,000 already and citizenship will add another almost 1,000 ! AND we also sign forms saying we will NOT be able to axcess ANY benefits...no matter our circumstances, so if my hubby looses his job, because of MY status, we are screwed as far as benefits. Stats show it is primarily the EU people coming in for free, taking jobs, and also claiming benefits ! Read the facts ! I adopt this country at a price, and its worth it, but its the EU that we need a referandum on !
I havebeen made redundant twice in the last three years and i can not get a job!! Why am i to lazy to look for one? Believe me i have tried like hell and am still trying. The reason i can not get a job is because companies in my area only take on foreign agency workers. They pay them minimum wage and make them sign a contract stating that they must live on company owned accomodation. They then take half of that minimum wage back in rent for living in company accomodation. What the hell chance do i have to get a job until something is done about it?
Andy - 09:41 Andy - politicians ARE the representatives of the people - we elected them! The problem in this country is that we don't like foreigners coming here but we're quite happy to live off the profits accrued when (when Britain was great) we went to their countries, stole all their resources, killed them because they were a different colour and used them as slaves.
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 Hang on isn't that racist? Imagine if you told a Pole or an Asian they couldn't register because they were only taking on Brits, there would be hell to play !
This is a foreign invasion! This country has been invaded. It is as unwelcome as a full on military invasion. The Uk is over run with foreign peoples and alien cultures, all unwanted and without the consent of the people.
why do you think someone who doesn't speak the native language very well has an advantage over someone who does? it's hard-working immigrants that are keeping this country anywhere near competitive.
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth, CEI, Thailand, 19/10/2010 5:14 Because the majority of them are not actually allowed to claim any benefits for the first year or so, they are only allowed over here to work! And even then they will try it on with forged ID or whatever. The same as all the other people fraudsters over here. They actually work hard at avoiding work!
What is absent from these reports is that many agencies no longer offer jobs here but directly to the other countries. They are given contracts by firms then they offer low wages to fill it making good profit from both company and employee. It keeps wages low for all. Abolish private employment agencies they are a blight on the economy. Job centres could carry out this role and see that the employees are fairly paid and that British citizens are offered the jobs.
Mr Toad ...... Toad Hall ..lf your son was willing to work a 12 hour shift for the minimum wage - no doubt in rotton conditions.....then he should think of the sacrifices our parents and Grandparents have made to improve our working day and make work a more bearable occupation. You are encouraging the old days of the Masters rule. The is fast returning with the Eastern Europeans living 12 - 15 to a house and sharing bills and rent and managing easily on the minimum wage and sending benefits and child allowance back home.. We do not do that, we have worked toward and now earned a decent wage for a decent days work. Don't allow these rights to be eroded.
What happens when these workers from all these foreign countries cannot find work, who fall sick, and who have their families with them for child care, education, and at the same time we are nearly bankrupt and have been told to tighten our belts. It means, possible two job families to make ends meet, our benefit bill goes up, as well as out NHS cost, then child benefit, and spaces in our schools not available because of the influx. What will happen when Turkey joins the EU, I can guarantee they wont be in the UK for a holiday, paid for by themselves. I cannot understand why we are the givers in the EU and every other EU member takes. Are we really the EU idiots? Perhaps, instead of knocking the British workers, we can ask ourselves the real low cost benefactors of the UK are the employers, paying cheap wages, for cheap work, our country needs to sort itself out, once and for all, preferably using its common sense.
PLEASE STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW !!! yet another Labour legasy.....
I recall when France controlled a new power station they brought in French workers with our own workforce Picketing the site to get jobs So how does that make UK native workers lazy The immigrants in our area spend their time in the library using SKYPE on the computers talking totheir relations in Poland. There would be 4 in a line waiting to have their turn. Not for an odd day but every weekday. So how many of 2.401million non-UK nationals work
"Some of them were Poles and other Eastern Europeans" Can't quite put my finger on what doesn't sound right about that sentence. Of course some of them are Poles and other eastern Europeans, you say it like it's a bad thing. At least they work. If feckless Brits were made to get off their backsides, it wouldn't be a issue.
I think it's nice that they want to work and get money for their families, but what about the native workers? I'm a fairly recent graduate (2:1) and I've been job-hunting since June and I'm STILL unemployed. I've applied for over 120 jobs in all areas of the market, all over the UK - from office work, to translation (I am fluent in French), to hospitality, to B2B, to retail even, and countless interviews later I am still out of work, despite each time being told that I am in the last 3 or so. I've even tried all the local shops and bars (having experience in both these areas already), there is nothing going. It makes me feel really ashamed when people ask what I do and I keep having to say "I'm job-hunting" and watch their eyes shift as they judge me. There are so many people who are quick to judge students/graduates - well I'm trying, believe me!
Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze - roger, brighton, 19/10/2010 09:40 You mean British teenagers?
Eventually there'll be some kind of protest. Marching in London or something. Wrong. Any significant protest would have to be in Brussels. Preferably in conjunction with protestors from other countries having the same problems. Let's see if we can get something going with the Germans. I reckon it'd be a real grin to make an multi-national protest against EU policy right on their doorstep. Go all muslim on them and burn the modern hammer-and-sickle flag that is 12 stars on a blue background. That would cause panic.
Whilst cheap casual labour arrives from Eastern Europe, our young skilled professionals, like Surgeons, are leaving this country to work elsewhere, and pay less tax, leaving a void behind them.
Did you klnow that huge numbers of these migrant works can and do reclaim all the income tax they pay in the UK when they leave providing it meets certain criteria, So not only do they take our jobs, but they do NOT contribute to the national wealth.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about. - As Is, England, 19/10/2010 9:22 ------------ As is. Funny,I've had exactly the same experiences as Luke. Perhaps you should wake up to reality instead of belittling people.
What many "British" don't understand, is that however bad they may think it is in the UK economically, it is infinitely worse in Eastern Europe, thanks largely to the IMF. In fact, the much despised minimum wage, may very soon be something to aspire to for us all. Why? Because we have a corrupt political system hand in glove with corrupt Corporations and Banks They are intent on driving down living standards for us all. It's called Free Trade. More money for them. It started with Thatcher's Big Bang, Now we have the Big Debt. The bankers friends, the politicians, have tried and failed to prop up the failed banks and financial institutions. They are quite prepared to sacrifice the living standards of us all to preserve the status quo. Tomorrow's cuts will be just the start, there is much, much more and much worse to come. The French workers and students are showing the way in opposing their corrupt politicians. It will start here soon.
British private sector business is the problem. Many companies are now using agency workers, many of whom are foreign immigrants. Companies, at first sight, would appear to pay a premium to use agency workers. However vast savings are made as it introduces a large degree of flexibility in the contract terms of a substantial part of the workforce. Couple this with the welfare concessions that the last government made to the resident population and the resultant surge in immigrant workforce numbers is easy to understand. Labour's ultimate admission of deliberate social engineering on immigration is going to be with us for many years to come. Only when this government finally lays the spectre of life on welfare to rest, will we finally have reduced immigration. The claim by businesses that overseas workers are better qualified and better educated is a myth touted by leftist dogmatism. Cure the UK of welfare dependency and the cure for reducing immigrant workers will be found too.
this country is crying out for a new leader with a voice for the people. - tony, common sense, uk, 19/10/2010 I thought you had done that in the last election? Oh no, we ended up with a leader that is going to decimate our work force, destroy our armed services, & take our benefits (that believe it or not some people deserve to have!) the nhs & police force to beyond collapsing point.
Hello, I am from Czech Republic. People from my country work Britain and they are considered to be eastern workers (although CR is in central europe!). I have got information for you...we´ve got the same problem (and almost the same discussion) in here but about ukrajine and vietnam workers... Isn´t it funny? Petra
`luke from london` mate you havent really got a clue mate, why do polish builders beat english builders on price!!! easy they pay no tax, or vat, give no guarantees or warranties and are not members of registration schemes. they do building work without building regs and work to no health and safety law and have no public or employers insurance, their vans are registered in poland so they pay no road tax or insurance,if i could get away with this then i could charge £10 per hour.they also pay their labourers below minimum working wage in cash.
The only people to gain from low paid immigrants are employers paying slave wages and slum landlords. Immigrants don't even spend their wages here it all goes back home which is where they buy tobacco, they often sell it onto their workmates for a profit. CB is also worth a fortune to them and that alone can make it worth their while.
these foriegn workers are coming here to work for half the going wage and there is a minium wage here so why are firms allowed to exploit these workers and they should be made join a union to see that they are not being exploited
I am a recruiter (hospitality, mainly chefs). I am Polish, lived here over 6 years and love it here. Now, I have got about £200.000 in chef jobs, my only requirement is fairly stable career (last 12 months) in an established company and turning for work. Last week I had arranged 4 interviews, all 4 did not show up, all British. Does any of the "wise men" on this discussion board have a cure for this horrible disease which makes my candidates disappear into thin air ? Thank you very much.
So the coalition is going to get thousands of not very well British people back into work , while allowing millions of young fit poles etc to work here ! Not going to happen is it ? What employer would consider a poor track record middle aged Brit when he can have a twenty something super fit Pole who can work like a horse all day every day !
British citizens will work for a living wage. They are not prepared to live like animals in dirty overcrowded conditions, for a pittance that ends up in the landlords pocket. Immigrants will do this because it's not forever and what little that is left over will be worth more in their own country! many are claiming CB which is worth a fortune once converted into their own currency and some will claim for non-existent children, for many CB is the carrot. Once they have enough NI contributions some will go on JSA and apply for council housing which they will get because they are immigrants!
Not every english person is a worthless layabout - okay some are but that doesn't mean the majority are like that and if the immigrants are over here to work hard then why on a recent trip to my sons in Bognor Regis was the town filled with groups of young men sat around smoking in groups speaking in a foreign language and obviously 'not working'.........?
Brits should be more like the french and start protesting for what they believe in..
the country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. ****************** So you want to look through the window and see nothing but acres and acres of houses for the whole of Europe to live in? (on benefits and credits probably) I live in a country area and my son was trying to explain where a certain road was. My hubby said "Oh its by the pub on the corner" my son relied "No, that's been knocked down... the garage over the road has gone... the big parking area isn't there anymore... THERE IS AN ESTATE OF HOUSES! You would hardly recognise it!" Creeping like a cancer this build houses for all newcomers.... enjoy the fields while you can... they may not be there for long. Being full doesn't mean houses front to back... it means we have enough PEOPLE for the size of our pocket.
Why is it that employers say they rely on unskilled foreign workers? Surely these jobs could be filled by people currently claiming benefits???? It's about time benefits claimants were made to work for their money instead of sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!!
They are polite and efficient, but surely there are locals willing to work in a petrol station or behind a supermarket till? - Chris, Cheltenham, Very unlikely. Also consider that many of the people currently in receipt of disability allowance could do either of those jobs. But they don't.
Immigration should be stopped now including from all European countries. Only skilled people we require should be given work permits and the rest thrown out. No use the government making loud noises about people on benefits being forced to have jobs if there are few available.
Not every British person is a layabout. It is much easier for a foreign worker to come to this country and take a lower paid job. they are probably mainly young single with no wife or family to look after, easily mobile, in that they can quite easily move from one part of the country living in rented rather than having a mortgage and from my experience in my town where i live, several individuals in one house. - Lloyd, Bridgwater, UK, 19/10/2010 09:22 Lloyd. several individuals in one house you say?, where i live in east london the norm is 6-8-10. people in one 3 bed house and i have this next door so please take this as the truth and not some figment of my imagination.
If you left the UK to go back to Poland, Romania, Albania etc etc, and had to live on benefits how long would it take the ''penny'' to drop to discover where you are better off.Have a guess. My daughter in law is Polish and has lived here 14 years.She is appalled at the number of her countryfolk who are here living on benefits alone and know more about the system after 12 months than she does . They can't believe their luck and have openly said what mugs they think the British are.Come on you politicians ''get a grip''.
I work abroad and commute weekly, the planes are full of east europeans who are prepared to get on their bikes ( Planes). As I have done, unable to find suitable work in the UK. Its hard , I miss my family, but dont want to be another sponger. The simple truth is that the welfare state pays people in redundant industrial towns to stay where they are. Many of these towns should simply no longer exist and the populations should have moved, as they would have done pre welfare state, to find work. Tough but inescapable, we would not have an immegration or unemployment problem if the state enforced internal mobility of labour through the benefits system. In East Europe if you don't work you don't eat. In the UK if you dont work you moan about the size of flat screen TV you have and think of foriegn holiday is some sort of basic right. Norman T was correct, get on your bikes.
Just imagine what a lovely peaceful country this would have been if all these foreigners were not here , a couple of million people would have jobs , the infrastructure would be better able to cope with our population and there wouldn't be so many people homeless . SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTRY I LIVED IN 40 YEARS AGO
Looking after dementia patients in an expensive privately run care-home, I have encountered too many immigrants that lack basic skills, yet their CV's tell a different story, many don't speak fluent english and patients have been put in danger ie lowering a fragile old lady into a bath of boiling water! Many are willing to turn up for work but I have encountered laziness, and lack of skills.
sorry folks. You are all wasting your time complaining. We are in the total grip of socialists who do not recognise any of your complaints The socialist mindset is one of total state control so any talk of 'saving' money by reducing benefits to our unemployed and therefore getting them back to work is useless. The socialist government (posing as a con/lib coillition) is now hellbent on destroying our defence capability and 'sharing' out aircraft carriers with our 'allys'in the EUSSR .Making cuts in our defence instead of making them where it will really make a difference ie. getting rid of wastefull government departments and quango's Roger Worthing
Eastern Europeans can work for a lot less than British labour because many of them share their accomodation, employers take advantage of them by being more relaxed with health and safety issues, most Eastern Europeans work for agencies, so they have to work where they are sent to, and most of them live a very meagre lifestyle while here,sending as much of their wages home as possible where it is worth a lot more, what the likes of Mr Vince Cable means when he says they are good for the economy is untrue, they are good for the directors and shareholders profits only,as the money they send home, makes their Country wealthy and ours poorer.
If these workers are living 7+ to a flat perhaps you should be checking with your Local Authority that their landlord has an HMO (House of Multiple Occupancy) licence as they are breaking the law if there isn't one in place. HMO licences are in place for the benefit of both landlords and tenants and ensure minimum standards and H&S requirements are met. Cramming this many people into a flat has a detrimental affect on the living standards of those living there, the immediate neighbours and the neighbourhood alike.
"Phil, Sussex, 0915." Yes "Oh Dear," it certainly is, Nothing to do do with race hate, just plain and simple COMMON SENSE.
Foreigners hire foreigners - I have seen hundreds of examples of this. Also, many employment agencies are now staffed by foreign workers who get jobs for the overseas workers and do not give Brits a chance. The idea that all British people will not take jobs is just a joke - many great high paying white collar jobs are also going to non-British workers (like many posts in the City) and no, that's not because the foreign workers are better and people wouldn't kill to work there. They include 'soft skilled' jobs - someone should do a proper review.
How's that immigrant cap working you, Mr Cameron? Forgotten another one of your pledges? Or maybe you never intended to do what you promised from the beginning?
Nick, Leiden, Holland If you believe that Britian is not full, come to Stoke-on-Trent and see for yourself, it certainly is bursting at the seams in this ''neck of the woods' with the attendent misery for all of us
'The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. Being full is a not a fact. I live in Holland also full, yet there are acres and acres of open space' Really? Many of the fields, woods and open spaces that I played in a child are now housing estates, industrial units and roads and motorways. I cannot get away from the noise of traffic now. Those fields produced food and allowed rainwater to percolate down to the water table to facilitate irrigation and the drawing of water during dry spells. Now the water runs off the concrete and causes floods. One really long hot summer and the lack of water in our overpopulated south east will be disaterous in a way that it could not be if the population was sustainable. We now rely on imported food, one month long blockade of the the Channel ports or when Spain has a food problem of its own and stops exporting and we will have riots.
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork.
'The country is full to the brim'. No it isn't. I went on a road trip with few friends last week, we passed through Dorset and marvelled at all the EMPTY SPACE. The only people who cry 'England is full!' are Little Englanders who blame everyone else in the world for their rubbish lives, when the truth is perhaps a little harder to face.
Dont be fooled. We havent just had a million Eastern Europeans go home and then suddenly decide to come back, they never left in the first place. Just take a look at your local schools, hospitals and the ghettos being built up in towns and cities across the country and you will soon realise we have been lied to by this and the previous government. I never used to pay much attention to the EU immigration until my son needed a place at a local school. It turns out that kids of Eastern Europeans have as much right to the school places as my son (and I've been paying taxes in the UK all my life). We are even now told that EU kids will get priority as their families are poorer than the British!? We can afford a referendum on the alternative vote but we cant afford a referendum on our membership of the EU. The politicians should hang their heads in shame. I have joined UKIP in the last few months and will vote for a fair disucssion on the merits of the EU and then a referendum.
What I don't understand is, they have cut back on so many services, stopped building schools, stopped building houses, cut back on health services..........so what is going to happen to all these people entering & living in Britain? How are we going to sustain this?
Nulabourites should stop throwing the term "race hate" around so freely. There'll always be people who don't much like another culture, or some other cultures. They may, or may not, "hate" people from those cultures. For example, I find French culture very attractive and in general the French charming and courteous. I don't find the German culture very attractive. I find US culture very mixed, with different extremes. I like Thai culture. Italian culture has lots to recommend it. None of that means I'm a race hater and "hate" Germans! That's just false NuLabour reasoning and a false accusation. Ironically a lot of "anti-racists" these days seem to spend their time trying to stir up racial tension.
Here it goes again...British layabouts will have their say...as they have so much time on their hands. EasternEuropeans are mainly at work. Get a job and stop whining.
Let me tell you there are MANY unemployed people who WANT to work, but just cannot survive on the paltry wages some of the jobs on offer, many by some of the biggest names in the UK. Also as a previous employer, one had to have a very good reason not to take on an incomer, the employment laws are skewed against the Brits. - Paul, Barnstaple, 19/10/2010 8:53 And yet the immigrants can survive on the paltry wages - it's the attitude problem with the British and it's not the immigrants fault. Employers do not have to offer you a living, they offer you a job and they can pay what they like (as long as it's no lower than the minimum wage). If you don't want to work for what they offer then you can't blame someone else for doing it instead. I agree that the British are not lazy but I also think that we are greedy and want everything, people have to compromise. If the immigrants can find low paid jobs then so can the British, but I doubt you really want them as you want more money.
You know, a lot of problems in Britain would be mostly solved if Cameron would just keep his election promises. So he knows the solutions but instead he has become another part of the problems. Which makes him just as much a traitor to Britain as Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were.
North European countries - generally - have high cost, high wage economies, which of course is a magnet to everyone else in the world. The only way that a high cost, high wage economy can survive is by making very well designed goods to a very high standard - which is what the Germans and the Dutch do. The problem is that there are now countries which have a low cost, low wage economy who are making things every bit as good as we can make them and at much lower cost! The only way West European economies can survive is to reduce their costs by driving down wages. A British worker can survive, sort of, on £8 per hour but his opposite number in East Europe only gets £3.50 an hour for the same work. If that East European worker can then come to Britain and earn £6 per hour, he's very happy - and so is his boss who's saved £2 per hour. A high cost economy which has [a] unrestricted access for foreign workers and [b] generous benefits for those who don't work is going down the plughole
Stop ALL these people coming into OUR country and make these work shy people get some sort of job. CUT ALL THESE BENEFITS NOW not in two years time.
Yeah but how do you block people from coming in? If they are Europeans and we are part of Europe. The poles just want a better life for themselves like everyone else. If we don't want them and other Eastern Europeans we shouldn't be part of Euorope. So it's ok for us Brits to change the landscape of South Spain but not for the poles to live here?So shall we call back home all the Brits that live abroad cos they are a lot of them living in Europe. Also How can we say who should be in the European Union and who shouldn't.? Let's not forget that us Brits have colonised half the world and used to the ground other countries resources what goes around comes around.
Why is it neccessary to ghettoise the figures from Eastern Europe from the total EU figure? Why not break it down even further and see how many came from France, Germany, Scandanavia and so on? Or is it because it's acceptable to stigmatise people from that part of the EU? - Joe Scaramanga, London, UK, 19/10/2010 You are right Joe - it IS acceptable to stigmatise people from certain parts of EU. I am one of these eastern europeans and have been living in the UK for 12 years now. This kind of attitude and generalisation is insulting. I work hard, I've never claimed benefits and have always paid taxes unlike the EU immigrants who, as someone pointed out, come here and claim benefits. And before the rest of the xenophobs get their knickers in the twist - I was a student for four years and my family paid for my education - not you.
Every meat factory in Scotland (I am not sure about other locations in the UK) has been over run by foreign workers, my friend got a job at a local one and he told me there were gangs of foreign speaking people, and they far outnumbered the English people, he said at some lunch times it felt like he was one of the only British lads in there.
It has been noticeable in recent months that when local letting agents advertise one bed flats for rent they have started adding "couple or single person only" to the ads. This is because immigrant workers are renting them out and then moving friends in with them to share the cost. I have just finished renovating a one bed flat recently and am about to employ a decorator to finish it for me. I was going to put a sofabed in the livingroom (I was thinking about whether a tenant might have someone staying overnight on the odd weekend). My builder advised me not to - if you don't want to let to benefit claimants the market here is driven by E Europeans. He is a landlord and said a sofabed would encourage them to sublet the livingroom out. I bought the flat as my retirement pension btw, my private pension has been worth very little since the last government robbed it.
Imagine a United Kingdom where the only non-uk individuals here were either students on study visas for a specified list of Universities, people with specified and subsequently approved qualifications/skills and also any people married to British Citizens BORN here........... Illegal immigrants aside for the moment, that would certainly redress the balance wouldn't it? Why won't anyone dare to speak the TRUTH and say it how it is; I mean ask yourself - WHY do these people all insist on coming here???????? No, seriously - WHY??????? So - get the answer to this fundamental question - then deal with the issue accordingly - AND DEAL WITH IT IN FAVOUR OF THE MAJORITY WILL OF BRITISH CITIZENS BORN HERE - those that NATURALLY deserve the greatest say. (btw - Naturalised is NOT the same as Natural)
they are cheap labour,it's as simple as that. they cost the country billions and if all the foreigners were sent home the economic problems would be solved a ta stroke. but shameron won't do a thing(despite his promises) because he and his rich friends benefit while the rest of us suffer.
The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. - nick, Leiden Holland, 19/1 Has it not occurred to you that the land may just be needed to grow FOOD! Something that will become even more necessary in the not too distant future!
Absolutely Right Mick. 6 years ago, I worked on a major construction job in the UK, all the jobs except for a few, were allocated to a polish workers employment agency, the conditions these people lived in were like army barracks style from WW2 double and triple bunks in rooms and caravan sites, very poor living accomodation and no facilities other than a small telivision for hundreds of them. Polish Employment Agencies are making a fortune out of jobs that are denied to UK citizens.
I don't care who they are as long as they get the job done. How many times a week is it we read in the Mail about benefit fraud? Well, if more of so called 'English' workers got off their backsides maybe it wouldn't be so easy for these agencies to stick their people into jobs? And why is it the DM never writes about immigrants from Africa, Afghanistan, China? Is it the skin colour or do they do a better job than the European immigrants?
We have had it too easy and immigrants are prepared to work harder and cheaper than us, also do jobs we don't want to. Thats why they are doing so well, we may not like it but thats how it is.
The UK has a very high minimum wage and an extremely good benefit structure, particularly for dependants. Until these are on a par with the rest of Europe then of course the poor of the EU will flock to take advantage. The minimum wage needs to be frozen or reduced and benefits reduced so that it pays to take these low paid jobs. Poland has no immigration problem.
The time is long overdue to leave the EU and put a stop to all this unrestricted and unchecked immigration.It is time that we said British jobs for British workers,these jobs that the Poles and others are doing should be being done by our own people which begs another question,if the Poles and others can find work and jobs are ten a penny for them,then why is it difficult for our own citizens to find these jobs and it quite frankly makes me wonder if a lot of these jobs that they are doing are being done legally or barely legally.
Absolutely awful all these foreigners coming here doing jobs we don't want to do or aren't qualified for what do they think this country is some sort of meritocracy get on your bike the world doesn't owe you a living sort of country I think they should all leave and we should give civil service and teaching jobs to good ole blighty people who didn't pass any exams and can't be bothered to work who would notice but don't expect all the blighties who left to come back and just waltz into jobs it's disgusting kick the buggers out that's what I say Really, the xenophobes and little Englanders have obviously got too much time on their hands today
It is now well past time to STOP ALL immigration NOW. And if that means withdrawing from the EU SSR - well even more reason to STOP ALL immigration NOW.
I am doing the same thing only I work in Germany but am from Kent .. but it's ok that way round isn't it you Numpties. If we wont get off our lazy behinds and do the work that these migrants will do .. who can blame the employers? They also work for less. whose fault is that?
Why can't we have representatives of the people, running the country instead of politicians?
We need to curb immigration from within the E.U. I live near Wisbech were recently it was reported that 9,000 eastern europeans have taken up residence. We have many gangmasters here which have a monopoly on labour which serves factories & farms with many only employing cheap labour from eastern europe & 'discouraging' locals to keep the cheap labour coming in. Many such e/e's have gangmaster subsidised accommodation or live in multi-occupancy dwellings of up to 10+ in larger rented properties. Those who live temporarily in such properties can afford to live off of the low wages proffered by farms & factories simply because bills are split e.g 10 ways which means there is disposable cash to send home (abroad) or spend. Single local people or those with families could not survive on such wages so do not take up such jobs, but out of necessity not choice. One last point. One gangmaster stated many of his e/e's left to get houses and benfits asap after working the minimum time.
This is just one of the big problems membership of the EU causes us, leaving aside the huge waste of money belonging to this useless club Anyone from any EU country who decides they want to come here to benefit from our welfare society can come and live here any time they like And there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop these parasites Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze
the instances of British employers specifying that they are looking for Romanian /Polish speaking workers is on the rise. Unless job seekers are prepared to learn either of these languages how are they expected to compete?
They're taking the jobs us lazy brits don't want. We're lucky we have immigrants to cover our @rses.
I was taken on by an agency last Christmas in a warehouse, I could not communicate, or share a joke with any of my co workers, as we didn't share a language, I felt like the outsider. So even if you're lucky enough to get a job with an agency, its unlikely to last long as the hell of not being able to communicate is too much.
This is why we English can't get work and believe me it isn't for the want of trying and yet we are still marked as lazy dole bums, when every time you try to apply for a job you have all of the EU to compete against and the rest of the world, it becomes a impossible task, even if they create jobs they will be for the immigrants so what chance have we ever got in getting back to work, I'm sick of this country and what these Governments are doing to us.
I worked in the UK 6 years ago in South Wales on a Major Construction Project, local and travelling Construction people could not get a job there or in limited numbers to appease the local week unions. Overseas employment agencies had the contracts to supply Polish workers. This is very common, the general impression is given that individuals come over and seek work, usually it is done through an agent who will only employ cheap labour as the Clients pay less than the minimum wage to the immigrant workers agent. They can show you the GROSS amount paid to the worker, the NET amount is a lot less by the time flights and accomodation is deducted among other expenses.
Another triumph for the EU as we get all the rubbish coming to our country, why can we not have a referendum on the EU , we would probably come out, kick out all the undesirables, stop paying out all our wealth to foreigners trying to come in and see our unemployment drop. Be able to look after the old and sick who are genuine and laugh as we watch the EU go down the pan.
One only has to look around and listen to the myriad of Eastern Nationals in our streets between nine to five so maybe it is their day off? Maybe not working at all? To add to this one can not miss the number of young children accompanying them. Benefit? Housing? National Health ? all cost money and who is paying for it. ? Vehicles with Polish number plates in the car park not displaying a UK tax disc are the norm Why do they come here? No not for the climate but because we are a soft touch. From day one it is the gravy train that is a major attraction for many. A cap on immigration from outside the E.U is not what we require it is a cap on the millions heading our way from within a corrupt organisation called the European Union. Do not tell me before they all came here in droves that every job they fill was vacant in previous years. Such excuses from Politicians are rubbish!
How I would love for the hypocrites posting here sympathetic to all these eastern Europeans to suddenly find a rented housefull of say eight of them living next door to them..........yes I thought so If there is one thing the British excell at it is nimby hypocracy.....they are world leaders in that if little else.
If we had our referendum on EU membership we would have left this corrupt & expensive 'club' and able to close our borders. Without the influx of EU and immigrant workers our workshy would have no excuse for avoiding a job......... - Peter, Sutton, 19/10/2010 9:56 You will never ever get a referendum on the EU from the Conservatives under Cameron. Because they know the result would have to be EU withdrawal. The UK will need a right-leaning Conservative government with a new leader, in coalition with UKIP before this happens. The next general election is going to be very interesting indeed.....
Thank God for these extra people. Its becoming almost impossible to fill any job vacancies now.
Of course the feckless benifits claimmants wont look for work they get more on benifits , where as these Foreign workers , demand less wages ,,,,,, escape paying tax ,,, national insurance ....
I know somebody who had to take a pay-cut from £40k to £26k because his boss said there were plenty of East Europeans who would do his job for £26k.
Two solutions: either raise minimum wage to a level that attracts British workers to pick fruit or work in a coffee shop, or lower benefits to below that of the current minimum wage. If someone turns down the offer of work they should only receive the most basic accommodation (ie a hostel for single people) and their benefits should be paid in vouchers that cannot be used for fags or booze. Perhaps that is too left wing for many DM readers but even scroungers should be treated as humans. Just not treated like they deserve a better lifestyle than, say, a bus driver, bin man or Tesco checkout girl.
"But some ministers, led by Business Secretary Vince Cable, are anxious to stave off the CoalitionÂ’s promised cap on immigration from outside the EU to maintain the flow of skilled and cheap, unskilled foreign workers that employers say they need" "...cheap, unskilled foreign workers..." says it all really. Before Thatcher we had an industrial base with skilled workers, now it's financial services or the sandwich factories.
What hope is there for this country to get out of the hole that it is in through the disastrous policies of the previous government, when this invasion of foreigners is allowed to continue unchecked? Britain is set for oblivion unless something drastic is done immediately. It is not only jobs at risk but the serious over-crowding which is is spoiling peoples' lives in their own country!
- maxine, Lincoln, 19/10/2010 8:31 Of course, you wouldn't work or live on the pathetic wage you are offering though would you?
'The number of foreigners working in Britain has hit an all-time high....This summer, the total topped 2.4million for the first time' The current level of UK unemployment is....a little more than half of that total? The usual argument is that foreign workers happily accept lower wages, poor working conditions etc Not noticed that at all with, for example, Polish plumbers or builders. Equally, the opposition of some politicians and employers to the proposed immigration cap arises from a concern about cheap, unskilled migrant labour but that well qualified and skilled workers will not be able to enter and work in the UK. Annoyingly, a lot of foreign workers in Britain particularly are taking high value work because, after thirteen years of Labour and its education policies, there are too few suitably qualified British workers to fill vacancies.
Whenever the media (servants of the Government) are focusing on the foreigners and the evil associated with them, you can bet that they are trying to divert the attention of the gullible public from something much bigger. DM readers fall for it regularly - very amusing. We have the same in Germany, don't worry. Just as naive and narrow-minded.
We give aid to other countries when we cannot afford to because it is "ring fenced." We give benefits to immigrants when we cannot afford to. We keep people alive when they want to die with dignity yet we stop money to people who need help to live a productive life. If we give our jobs to foreigners as well we will never be able to afford anything again.
Yet again the native Briton will suffer whilst another government cowers from EU bureaucracy surrounding immigration policies. If we are "all in this together" then lets look at issues not only surrounding cutting public spending but also getting the country back on it's feet through gainful employment for the indigenous population - not continuing to allow floods of foreign nationals in to swamp the labour market. Those that choose to flaunt incapacity benefit and suddenly find themselves available for work after the benefit review will then have jobs to turn to.
I cannot understand this, how come we have millions of people LOOKING for work that cannot find a job but these foreigners come here and have no problem finding work. Are our own unemployed just a bunch of lazy layabouts or are they just so stupid they cannot be employed to do even the most menial tasks? If you have to be ACTIVELY SEEKING WORK to claim taxpayers money, how is it possible they cannot find work when clearly there are job vacancies that need filling? We need a workfair scheme where if you claim money for being out of work, you give something back to the community be it cleaning graffiti of walls or picking up litter from the streets. This would benefit the unemployed as it would give them some esteem having a purpose in life and would also instill a work ethic in them. Who knows it may even encourage them to find a real job if they have to get out of bed and od something. Single mums could clean in schools when their children are in class, EVERYBODY should do something!!!
We can not stop immigration unless we leave the EU Empire. Sign the petition happening now for a referendum on in or out of EU and never vote LibLabCon again .
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, 19/10/2010 07:54 I work in the building industry (roofer of 18 years) and yes 'some' of the polish work hard but skilled they are not, Health and Safety is a joke to them and they don't like talking in English to the rest of us which makes large building sites rather dangerous. I wouldn't trust a polish builder as far as I could throw one having seen their 'workmanship' first hand. So Luke, care to explain how you decided English builders are lazy and con artists? It was a sweeping statement from you that adds to the myth. Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about.
this country is crying out for a new leader with a voice for the people.
Not every British person is a layabout. It is much easier for a foreign worker to come to this country and take a lower paid job. they are probably mainly young single with no wife or family to look after, easily mobile, in that they can quite easily move from one part of the country living in rented rather than having a mortgage and from my experience in my town where i live, several individuals in one house.
There isn't a set number of jobs in this country, more people will generate more jobs. Brits should stop whining and go out there and get a job. Or maybe organise a strike or something for the minimum wage to go up so the foreigners can't get a lower wage than what is "acceptable" for Brits. Can't believe that so many Brits refuse to work for minimum wage (which I am assuming is the problem here) and rather sit on there behinds and do nothing. You have to start somewhere to get anywhere. Surely most people received the minimum wage in there very ffirst job.
i have already started boycotting certain products as it has emerged eastern european workers are favoured over british ones: look at the economics of that!
Bang on the nail Lenny,!!,thats what its all about and the fools in this country cant see it,!other countrys are doing ok with out the eu stazi state,
Foreign works are so good how come i have to rip out the pipe-work they had done because of leaks ,but they do,nt get the sack because the manager is on a kick back to employ them.I earn my £30 per hour putting their mess right.
remember foreign workers get up to FIVE times the amount in their own wage that english workers do - wouldn`t you clean toilets for hours on end for 25-30 pounds an hour? please stop this bashing of english workers - it is the excuse of greedy bosses selling us all out and you are attacking your fellow countrymen. what is wrong with you? I look forward to the day when they get bored and find somewhere else to roost and the workers you are leaving behing won`t want to work for you. and the benefits issue is a non-starter: you still have to pay for food, clothing, laundrette, electricity, water rates, tv licence out of 65 pounds per week. how is that living in luxury? h by the way if bosses are saying they can get foreign workers cheaper etc and it makes financial sense then we must also accept that benefit people who are better off not working are also acceptable and britain is broken. i don`t want that.
stop these people from taking our homes, benifits, housing....send them home.....give jobs to the english, those firms that employ just poles over here instead of taking their host c ountry residents. is not on. one such shop where our monies are spent 99 pence shop polish only no english it is an utter afront on us the english
Hurry for O'leary and Ryan Air! Polish women are very beautiful, they mate with the English, good looking children prevail. People in Bollington where I work have interbred for years with scary results.
All this is simply foreigner hate propaganda! So 1.39 million now minus 966,000 in 1997, 13 years ago means an average increase of a mere 56,000 a year. This is perfectly acceptable and there is no doubt that a far greater proportion of their number than us brit have contributed in taxation to the British economy as well as doing some of those jobs us brits won't do! The problem of overcrowding does not exist and the problem of the economy certainly does not lay with them! We already know who ruined this country!
we are constantly told by our politicians and business people that immigration is necessary for our continued economic growth and prosperity. while large inflows of immigrants may indeed be of great benefit to business, but i am not convinced this is also true for society as a whole. what about the social cost of immigration, an issue rarely addressed by our political and business elites? human happiness is not merely a sum of economic factors. lasting human bonds, a sense of continuity and belonging are equally, if not more, important for a society's well-being. with a constantly changing social landscape, these are becoming harder to achieve. whilst there can be no progress without change, too much change too quickly does not necessarily lead to a better quality of life and greater happiness. i admit this is only my personal experience, but for me everyday existence has become less joyful in an increasingly overcrowded city with an ever changing population.
The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. Being full is a not a fact. I live in Holland also full, yet there are acres and acres of open space. The concern is too many people compared with what we think is right. We are in the EU and by pulling together we can make it work, Poles, Bulgarians etc want to work, can work and do work. If our post war socialist education system has failed to educate too many people that is not the fault of the Poles etc. There is also the attitude that the world owes people a living, no you earn a living. Immigration from countries outside the EU is another matter. Again skilled work people with work permits are welcome and contribute to our common good. We have a problem with others who do not share our, in effect secular christian based society. For them living on the state is an aspiration, not a safety net. The Germans are right.
Oh dear. I see the race hate trolls are out in force with this little "story"
Reading the comments, it is obvious that the people calling our unemployed layabouts do not know what they are talking about. First these EU immigrants are employed by agencies. The employers will only take on agency workers. As they can lay them of at a moments notice. The agencies will only take on EU immigrants who live three to a room in squallier some accommodation provided by agencies. My son was recently made redundant he had a job in two weeks but he works 16 hours a day delivering cars around the country he only gets paid for the time he is driving. So if he travels 300 miles he does not get paid for the return by train. So all of you out there so quick to condemn our unemployed get your facts right before you open your mouths.
Fact is English people are being overlooked by employers who prefer foreign workers. Our own people will never work but will be reduced to working for benefits while the immigrants get the best jobs & pick of housing.
The goverment needs to wake up to this problem especially when they are going to cut tens of thousands of jobs in the public sector. If they are not careful the British public will lose faith in them and turn to extreme parties lik the BNP and could also bring the country to a standstill as the French are doing.
If you look at other countries such as Germany, France and Spain they are experiencing the same problems - immigrant labour doing the jobs they don't want to do. France and Germany didn't originally even want us in the EU - in fact we paid the most to get in! The poorer countries, like Spain originally (who have done so well with EU money) and now Eastern Europe gained the most. When a club has too many members, it's time to get out.
If you look at other countries such as Germany, France and Spain they are experiencing the same problems - immigrant labour doing the jobs they don't want to do. France and Germany didn't originally even want us in the EU - in fact we paid the most to get in! The poorer countries, like Spain originally (who have done so well with EU money) and now Eastern Europe gained the most. When a club has too many members, it's time to get out.
Either these foreign workers jobs aren't advertised or I'm blind! Are these jobs reserved for them?
Migration cap - OUTSIDE THE EU - so it is pointless! The migration cap should be in the EU!!! And before Politicians start bleeting on about , we need the highly trained immigrants - by now they should of trained their own voters, to be the highly trained workers they needed, 5 - 10 - 15 - 20 years ago!
All those correspondents having a go at the "idle British" should read the entry from 'Mo,London' @ 15.13.It's not as simple a matter as idleness.
I support a lot of the comments re the number of unskilled shirkers who would, and should be applying for work which is being done by the polish and eastern europeans. However I must point out that it would take a change of attitude from the employers too, they actually prefer to take on the foreign workers who have good work ethics.
Easy, only pay benefit to the fit and able when it has been worked for, no choice of job, what is wrong with these politiians????
Thank you Laboutr Party! You never asked us, but simply pursued a policy of making us strangers in our own Country to improve your electoral prospects. En-route you bankrupted Britain for the third time in the single lifetime of an individual. You are unfit to govern, your ex Leadership are criminals and one day justice will be done.
Will somebody please ask those dipsticks that are members of HM Government how the unskilled unemployed citizens of this country that are willing to work are expected to find employment with the emigration floodgates wide open? For the attention of those self-appointed "employment experts" that post here and tell us all there are jobs for unskilled people but they are too lazy to find them: Please be so good as to tell us where, as I know somebody, with a mortgage and in danger of losing his house, who is absolutely desperate to work but can not get so much as an application form for a job -let alone an interview -despite CONSTANT efforts. Well?
Will somebody please ask those dipsticks that are members of HM Government how the unskilled unemployed citizens of this country that are willing to work are expected to find employment with the emigration floodgates wide open? For the attention of those self-appointed "employment experts" that post here and tell us all there are jobs for unskilled people but they are too lazy to find them: Please be so good as to tell us where, as I know somebody, with a mortgage and in danger of losing his house, who is absolutely desperate to work but can not get so much as an application form for a job -let alone an interview -despite CONSTANT efforts. Well?
It's these workers that ensure that many employers can and will pay the absolute minimum wage. I too could live on the wage if I shared a house with 7 other adults and sent the majority of my wage (plus family allowance) back to Eastern Europe.
The employment agencies are the people who should be investigated they are the ones pushing for these people to come here and not helping British workers. They can rip these people off much easier than british workers. - jan, somerset, 19/10/2010 7:23 Absolutely, and don't forget that foreign workers rent small houses and live four to every room, enabling them to take such cheap wages.
Two related problems which are the direct result of Labour's years of denial which will have long term damaging results. It also begs the question, if the East Europeans are coming here to work, what are the millions of non-EU economic migrants doing?
Do you honestly blame them? wouldn't you come to this country? It makes me sick but it is not their fault! It is our Governments fault for letting it happen!
If we had our referendum on EU membership we would have left this corrupt & expensive 'club' and able to close our borders. Without the influx of EU and immigrant workers our workshy would have no excuse for avoiding a job. Common sense, (which few politicians appear to have), would suggest a 'workfare' scheme where benefit recipients have to work for their income, even if it is only sweeping streets! It is far too easy to lose the habit of going to work, far too hard to restore it !!
The key word here is 'workers', we can't blame people coming here to work when we allow our own indigenous layabouts do nothing for the equivalent wage of a chartered accountant.
People who come here from low cost countries believe that they are being paid well. At some time they can return and enjoy wealth they couldn't make in their own country and live well. If you are from the the UK a high cost country, made high by red tape, high taxes, numerous laws, highly priced housing and rip off prices these jobs don't meet the burdens placed on you. If these jobs paid enough for a UK person to get the same perceived benefit as the migrants they would take the jobs. The current system creates a trap because the state then has to pay for people who can't or won't work - raising taxes and making us more uncompetitive. There is no pressure on the employers to raise wages.
The bottom line is that British people will not take these jobs when they can sit around on the dole and maybe do a bit of work on the side and be better off Mr Toad, Toad Hall, 19/10/2010 5:56 I get a little fed up with this argument, the 'incomers' have pushed down the market rate for any vacancy in the UK. Its the capitalists way, we Brits do not rent a house with nine other people, we have not been conditioned to do so, our domestic overheads are higher, we just are creating a third world state in this country. Let me tell you there are MANY unemployed people who WANT to work, but just cannot survive on the paltry wages some of the jobs on offer, many by some of the biggest names in the UK. Also as a previous employer, one had to have a very good reason not to take on an incomer, the employment laws are skewed against the Brits.
our own kids cannot get training, my boy wants to train for a trade to help him have an active and productive working life not to just push paper around like local goverment do... give our own kids a chance to train for the skills this country needs
Is it not strange that we are supposed to have 2.4 million people unemployed and there are 2.4 million foreigners working here, and dont give me this rubbish about they do the job we wont do either its a lie. All the government has to do is get rid of the 2.4 million who should not be working here and give the unemployed their 2.4 million jobs, if they do not take them the government stops there payments. As for that cretin Vince Cable who wants to import more foreigners so that the business men can give lower wages and have everyone living on the bread line again, let him get a job in Poland or wherever. And finally not all unemployed people as scroungers who will take any sort of job, they will if there are jobs there because after six months they stop your dole if your wife is working, you get no benefits at all.
If it were just the workers here it would be bad enough but what about the relatives of the workers who are here using the NHS, education and other services, putting a strain on the housing situation and not contributing themselves. An eastern european may be working hard but is usually living in overcrowded conditions so the amount of council tax paid on a property does not reflect the number of people using local services. They pay little tax and insurance because they earn the minimum wage so they get back far more than they pay into our system.
This country is not only sick but I have came to believe it is quite stupid and can scarcely be called a country at all. We refused to raise our voices when it could have made a difference, now this pathetic and weak country is getting what is coming to it and what we deserve, the best we can hope for is that the downfall of this so called 'nation' wont be too protracted.
And therein lies the root of the problem
This is the immigration that most Britons are concerned about and don't want, but are too afraid to speak out against it as it is not PC. The immigration from outside of Europe is minimal in comparison and is only from skilled workers. Why is it that our country pays European workers such things as child benefit even when their children remain in their own home country? We cannot and should not put up with this for any longer. It really is time to for us to leave the EU so a refendum on it must be a priority. If only UKIP was a much stronger party and people were prepared to vote for them rather than feel it was a wasted vote in a General Election. I do not think CON/LIB/LAB politics can change to match what our country needs in this century.
The reason british workers don't take so called lower paid work has many reasons, but the amin ones are: Why work when you can get paid for doing nothing Years of sub standard education where they are allowed to get away without having to work and being made out of some sort of victim because they are for a so called "disadvantaged" home. They are unable to take orders - a majority when asked to do something they don't want will automaticall kick off.
hold on...... before moaning about every unemployed brit being bone idle. if you have a house paying 500 pound a month rent 5 eastern europeans sharing getting child benefit for there kids back home working on minmum wage life is good they are here to send money back home. now a brit with is wife and kids paying the same 500 pound rent council tax utilities on minimum wage cannot live.
Ah good news, this may mean I can fill my vacancies now.
Pity the Poles can't pay their way, my partner has a small terraced house which she rents out as a pension. The Polish residents have just left owing £2500 rent, £700 worth of damage and not a chance in hell of getting any money back. She must now pay up to have the house refurbished so that it can be sold (fat chance).
Whilst I have nothing against the Eastern Europeans, I feel sorry for the working class of Britain. Influx of these people must surely drive down the wages. Maybe the British working class should consider emigrating to Australia, where working class jobs are still relatively plentiful. The Brits will always be welcome in OZ.
In France, most of the jobs doing seasonal work such as fruit picking are done by local nationals; very few immigrant workers seem in evidence here, apart from English ex-pats who are having a hard time because of the exchange rate. In Britain the unemployed should be offered this work or refused benefits.
Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners. - Toby, UK, 19/10/2010 05:57 If that wasonly the case the majority to not pay any tax
This is hilarious. Before lection " I will give you a referendum on the E.U.", "We will sort out immigration and asylum", " I will tackle the workshy" , " We will have a bonfire of the quangos". Call me dave really pulled the wool over your eyes didn't he? The word politician should be abolished and replaced with LIAR.
There is another side of this argument - the employers. Until they work with government to employ British first and foreigners if needed then this will go on. There is no doubt as jobs are created then people from abroad will take them if offered. If you go to France they will only employ you if no French person is available to do the job.
this just shows that with a little encouragement if we stopped these workers coming in, maybe with an immigration hut in Skye, that most of our unemployed could be found work to do. It would take very little money or organising, and as long as they are paid at least the minimum wage, it would be right. But there is the problem, most of these workers from eastern europe do not earn anything like the minimum wage, the collective housing is below par and the are treated like mules! Maybe we could stop this problem too, but the increase in food prices may be hard to swallow!!
Why is it neccessary to ghettoise the figures from Eastern Europe from the total EU figure? Why not break it down even further and see how many came from France, Germany, Scandanavia and so on? Or is it because it's acceptable to stigmatise people from that part of the EU?
My husband tried employing local workers. Those who were prepared to get off their backsides and come to work were nowhere near as good as the foreign workers we were forced to employ to avoid going bankrupt. Local workers seem to tnink they have a right to £15 an hour, a tea break every hour, a break for a smoke every hour in between tea breaks and a toilet break as and when. To be honest local people were basically rubbish. They had no idea of punctuality, relability or any other of the virtues that Eastern Europeans take for granted. The sooner our education system starts to show our children that it's a hard competitive world the better. The stupid ideas they've had that there are no winners allowed as this might upset the losers has to go. Workers have to accept the reality that we are in a competitive world and that if we are to remain viable in business lower wages are more likely than pay rises as we will have to compete with foreign competition where low pay is the norm.
the problem is you have skilled english workers and foriegn unskilled workers you can get two unskilled for the price of one skilled which option do you think the employer is going to take to save money this is part of the problem I know plenty of skilled workers who were made redundant from a local factory but now it has reopened they are no longer needed and the factory is now full of poles who are unskilled the ones who were made redundant are more than willing to take a minimum wage job as they just want to get back into work after being out for 18 months now all you that jump on the get of your backside side and find a job band wagon should be ashamed of yourselves yes there are plenty of people who dont want to work but dont tar everyone on the dole with the same brush until redundancy happens to you and there are no jobs left in the area to go into because the employer wants cheap and poles and east europeans come very cheaply reccomended
Listen to the people and get us OUT OF THE EU! If you dont you will find your time in office to be the shortest in history!!
the only skills shortage in the UK is competent politicians.
The British have become LAZY. Not just in recent years but for many years . CUT the benifits and make it more important to work . A once Great country should be ashamed.
The operative word being 'workers'. Well done them. Despite many people decrying immigrants it takes a lot to leave your own country/environment/language to work abroad, even if it's for just a few years. People won't move from Rochdale (or wherever) where there are 'no jobs' to work elsewhere, yet Poles will move from Poland to work in the UK. - yes WORK not be on benifits.
This makes me very angry! People on here saying that English people wont take these jobs because we are lazy! NO! We cannot take these jobs because we have mortgages, rent, council tax, electricity etc.... to pay for our families. These people have about 10 people living in a 2 bedroom flat working all times of the day. This is why they can afford to work for rubbish wages. But I dont blame them, I blame the UK companies employing them in the first place. Anything for cheep labour!
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none.
Get the workshy off their backsides by reducing their benefits. Say a reduction of 10% after 6 months followed by reduction of 20% every 6 months thereafter. And if they return to benefits they go back to the point they left.
There's a current saying in Poland going around which roughly follows as "Better to live in crisis ravaged Britain than in a booming Poland". That's why they're all coming back.
@Kimi, London, 19/10/2010 4:40 You don't consider minimum wage as cheap labour? Let me tell you something sunshine, it's bad enough that security jobs have fallen from £7.50 an hour to £5.90 but they alo want you to work 12 hour shifts for that, I was w
My son is a skilled worker and has been in and out of Agency Work for well over three years now. The work he was trained to do is always given to a "foreign Worker" because they will work for less money. This is also the case in any unskilled job. He is not on any benefits as not applicable if living with relatives. Whereas the the foreign workers get all the benefits to top up their low pay.They get it both ways.
The wealthy and ruling class just want a low paid slave class. They therefore proove thay are traitors and therefore any theft or action against them legitimate for the British poor.
"CHEAP" foreign Workers What happened to MINNIMUM WAGE ? not such a good idea after all .
Vince Cable and the liberals/Labour party live in a dream world in constituencies that are unnaffected by the worst aspects of unchecked immigration. He thnks he knows better than the general public. Merkle has woken up & smelt the coffee. It seems Hell willl freeze over before the Liberal politicians do the same.
So why doesn't the government propose a cap on foreign workers form the EU? Because it can't, that's why. We are in Europe and run by Europe. Mr Cameron is also in favour of Turkey becoming a member of the EU, so presumably the Turks would be allowed to come and work in the UK too. Personally, I don't care one way or the other whether Turkey joins the European entity , , , so long as the UK leaves it.
For the last few years I've bought petrol from a particular Shell garage in Cheltenham, and have been puzzled why the people serving behind the counter are ALWAYS young foreigners (Polish I think). The same applies to my local Lidl store. They are polite and efficient, but surely there are locals willing to work in a petrol station or behind a supermarket till?
There will be serious revolt soon if immigration is left unchecked. Foreign workers are driving down pay and conditions in the work place. Is it little wonder employers and the Government of the day like this. The landscape of England is changing quickly, soon English folk will be ethnically cleansed by the EU, something Adolf Hitler failed to do. The UK has a spineless Government past and present and now we are paying for it dearly. The US controls our foreign policy 100% and has clearly been instrumental into Turkey's membership of the EU (so it can build missile sites there). There is nothing we can do or say, this is all a prelude to the next phase of European reorganisation. Civil unrest will not happen as the vast majority of British civilians have been brain washed into drones.
I know few people who are working in UK and all of them are calling our locals to work there. Their company bosses are saying that if you get more Eastern Europeans to work there you get bonus. One workplace is a fish factory where they all the time have staff shortage because work is in minus decrees and Britons don't work there. Other place is jam factory where they have 12-14 hour shifts and again locals don't want to work there. I understand that E-Europeans are taking Britons work but in the same time I think that there will be many companies closed without foreign workers. If locals don't want to work in company because the pay is to small - it can be changed. But if Britons don't want to work because working conditions are hard - it can't be changed as fish will rot in warm room!
Surely the stay at home are doing their bit for oversees aid. If the brits took up all these dead end jobs where would these poor east europeans get their jobs. We should be thanking our youngsters that are helping those that are less well off than themselves. It enables those that have worked here to get onto the benefits ladder by virtue of EU laws that insist our country must treat these citizens be treated as our own once they are here. So please stop vilifying our wonderful charitable youngsters and those that choose to see others less well off than themselves get on in life.
It is interesting that Britain peaked when these workers came to assist us and crashed when they left. Hopefully their return will help stimulate a recovery despite the best efforts of the current government to destroy it.
It's not the East Europeans we should be worried about. They come and go with little impact on our culture. We should be more concerned about Africans and Asians, those who have no right to be here, have no wish to go back home and no intention of integrating.
Clearly the locals are too lazy to do some jobs and prefer to be on the dole, as far as I am concerned these Eastern Europeans are welcome!
I took on somebody for work last week from Romania - she had another job as well! One day she was going to be working 14 hours (Not for me!!). No wonder people employ these workers if they're willing to work such long hours - probably for little pay! I expect most of those workers are being taken advantage of by unscrupulous British employers!
whether there are jobs for these people or not is hardly the argument its were they end up living and where that money ends up. the big companies dont pay tax then their work force is sending the money home how is that good for the economy
Employers are laughing all the way to the bank, because an immigrant tradesman will do his job for minimum wage, and work overtime for the same rate, they arent in a union so are free to be abused and misused (unaware of their rights and UK employment law). A friend of mine was employing Polish workers, and paying them 30% of what he was giving his UK workers for the same job. This is why all of these jobs are being filled by foreigners, so bosses and directors can get rich more quickly.
I have no problem with other EU citizens coming here on a personal level. They are generally very decent hard working people, who have similar cultural backgrounds to ourselves. Employers using them as cheap labour, abandoning our own natives who need unskilled work is a massive problem though. Immigrants from outside the EU are far less likely to be culturally similar and fit into our society.
Remind me. How many people are unemployed in this country. Stop benifits. Stop immingration and pull out of the EU. Benifits not required and no bill for being a member of a corrupt EU. We would be able to save many billions a year. Put some of this into industry so we again produce top quality goods and lead the world in technology.
Try to look at it from an economic standpoint, Firstly they come in and work for low pay ,which now puts more money in the company owners account, which of course is an offshore one so they dont contribute tax to this country, add the fact that a lot of foreign workers send money home so that does not add to this country's wealth, they then claim benefit for their kids living in their country (they have never even been here) and no proper checks are made as to how many if any they have, there are thousands of them work for a week or two and then claim benefit,plus housing,plus healthcare plus schooling if they have kids. Some of you need to grow up and realise they are only helping the rich not the country as a whole.Stop the influx and stop benefits for those that dont want to work,give tokens for kids and food and clothing etc,once they cant drink buy plasmas,computers, drive cars,smoke etc they'll soon want a job.
To all of you who keep banging on about British shirkers and layabouts just remember these foreign workers are paid a pittance and live in hostels! Are you saying that native born Brits should accept the same? It's all very easy coming on here sounding off when you have a well paid, "safe" job and already have money in the bank and a decent home! I want MY Country back!
George, Toronto, ON, Canada, 19/10/2010 3:35 I doubt you'll find many of our lot living off benefits in other countries. The reason we have all in sundry coming to live her is our ridiculous benefit system.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. Alot of the demand for foreign workers is generated by the attitude of some sectors (expect to much cash) or those that just cannot be bothered to do the jobs as they make more on benefits.
All part of the grand EUSSR master plan to rid the world of that pesky British bunch with their stiff upper lips and all that. Yes,if it wasn't for those dasterly Brits allowing those American chappies to use Britain as an invasion base in 1944, our comrades from Moscow would have have been dipping their toes in the Atlantic long ago. But for those Brits we wouldn't have had to bother with all this pseudo-democratic melarky from Brussels to attain our ultimate goal of a world communist order. But now we in Brussels have control comrades, our grand plan that has enabled mass migration into the UK is unstoppable. Yes comrades, soon we will rid Europe of the British scum by simply breeding them out. Soon comrades we will be one, Brusselsgrad and Moscow ztanding together, side by side. Our Comrade Cameron is doing zuch great wurk there in UK that when the day cumz we shood be conzidering Tzarship for him!
Question are the foreign workers coming in paid the minimum wage for what they do? Are these jobs skilled jobs that they are coming in to fill? Cos I thought it was skilled workers that the UK had a shortage of not unskilled. Go to any job centre in the country and you will see long lines of unskilled workers signing on to collect their benefits - am I wrong? So how do we stop this flood of migrants? We do a points system like other countries do and we stop giving benefits and which will force people into looking for work. Should hard working tax payers be forced to pay for them to stay at home? The government needs to stand up and and take responsibility by taking employers to task and fine them if they do not employ UK residents/work permit holders only. What choice would the unemployed have if they had no benefits to fall back on? Like the rest of us they would have to take a job! Not rocket science is it????????? Then the wages earned taxesd paid would benefit all!
Ermm, they're working for peanuts. Would you?
You don't need immagrants to do the work.All you need are the one's that are on the dole to work for their dole money.lf they don not take on the work,then stop their benefits. This will also get them used to what work is all about and also will give them a sense of respect to pay their way,instead of relying on others to pay for them
It's not just the numbers of Eastern Europeans working here that is the issue - they take minimum-wage jobs and get an NI number, then they are eligible to claim Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit, Council Tax Benefit etc. They also access free healthcare and schooling. They actually TAKE MORE OUT OF THE SYSTEM than they put in. Added to that, they have a high birthrate, thus swelling the UK population beyond belief, creating even more social problems. Our children will be paying for all of this for many generations to come.
British Jobs. British people. Every unemployed person in britain needs a kick in the arse and told to find a job otherwise this country will fall in to more debt if we keep letting these lowlifes to sponge of everyone else and be better of.
Let me understand this; a foreign worker comes here and works for minimum wage so pays very little tax, a British scrounger who doesn't want work, sits around breeding, gets hundreds of pounds a week benefits. That is not the way to balance the books and we wonder why the country is in a mess. Why have ministers let this happen, if a company director ran a company as badly as this he would be in court. Oh yes, and I am expected to work past 65 to fund this waste.
There is only one way to fight it,britons-go and take those low-paid,long hours jobs!
Under Labour the Benefit payments spiralled so there is no wonder the feckless of this Country will not work. When someone in work with a family takes Home say £300 out of this they have all the bills, rent or mortgage payments,Council tax, Dental treatment, prescriptions etc. School dinners. Someone on benefits can finish up with £500 in their hand & have nothing to pay, no rent , no Council Tax, free dental treatment, free school meals and the gravy train goes on, the more Children these irresponsible People have, the more money they get. Stupid or what. I rest my case.
and why the government don't stop them comming in the Country? And give the jobs to the british people's..this is a joke now..every body moan without any action.....
i know of a factory down the road from me that made 300 english workers redundant 18 months ago they reopened earlier this year every single one of the original staff reapplied but only ten were taken back on and they were not the normal workers they were managment the rest of they factory is full of polish and east european workers who are unskilled people say that english are a bunch of lazy layabouts sitting on the dole not every one wants to be on the dole but how can you compete for jobs when the factorys want polish and east european workers and the reason why no holidays to pay out /no sick pay to pay out / no union to fight for rights for the workers /any problems they can sack them straight away as they dont have the same rights as the english workers did the english workers cannot compete with them but if they were told to go home there would be plenty of jobs left for the ones who really do want to work
"The number of foreigners working in Britain has hit an all-time high despite the fragile state of the recovery. This summer, the total topped 2.4million for the first time after thousands arrived from abroad in the spring." So much for Labour's assertion that many Europeans would go home!! And, don't forget that most do not spend their money here but send their earnings back home and, they claim child allowances, child tax credits, working tax credits and tax credits which also goes back to their country of origin.
'Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners. - Toby, UK, 19/10/2010 05:57 I know a Polish lady who works for the minimum wage and pays £24.00 Income tax and national Insurance per week back into this country. However, she receives £20.00 child allowance each week for a son who still lives in Poland and over £40.00 per week in working tax credits. These benefits more than offset her contributions to the economy. Add to this, her free dental, optical and health care because she is low paid and then multiply this by the millions that are doing likewise. I think you'll find they are part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
The government took us into the EU, now we have no say in who comes here, likewise the government hasn't got the backbone to stop the influx of foreign workers and stop the benefits of anyone born here who refuses to take a job and support themslves, Don't bleet and say that there are no jobs, they have just proved that there areat least 2.4 million, which wipes out almost all of the unemployed layabouts and scroungers.Get us out of the EU and show some common sense and backbone, that would get us out of debt a lot sooner.
The employment agencies are the people who should be investigated they are the ones pushing for these people to come here and not helping British workers. They can rip these people off much easier than british workers.
Get out of the EU now!
The principle reason for this is two fold (1) our unemployed are unwilling to do these jobs themselves as they believe these jobs to be beneath them and (2) why work when they can get benefits and everything else that goes with it. Simply put there is a lack of pride in working. Hopefully the radical chnages in apporach to youth unepmloyment and dole payouts will change this but it will not happen overnight. And of course there is the third element which is pay. In many cases employers pay these overseas workers less than they would pay a local. This is because they know they can get away with it as the foreigner is unlikely to complain, after all what they earn here is much higher that the dole they would get back home. So the problem actually revolves around a number of issues and will need bold measures to put this right. Employers should offer living wages, government needs to crack down hard on those unwilling to work (and gladly this is about to happen).
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth, CEI, Thailand, 19/10/2010 05:14 Well I was struggling to find work around that period and Southampton is not one of the hardest hit areas in this recession. My suspicion is that many of these job vacancies are not even being advertised in this country at all but directly abroad. Personally I think the REC (recruitment and employment confederation) needs to start investigating the practises of some of its members regarding whether they are offering the same opportunities to all jobseekers or are specifically targetting certain nationalities.
I do not care what colour they are, White, red, Black, Yellow. Somebody needs to put up a huge sign at Dover, 'THERE IS NO ROOM LEFT AT THE INN'. We have a population rumoured at 68 million, the same as France, we have half the land mass they have. Floridians are screaming that the state is over populated they have a land mass similar to ours, their population is 18 million. We do not have enough doctors, dentists ,schools or teachers for our population, the roads are at a standstill due to the number of cars now on the road. This madness MUST stop. It is lunacy. A few may pay tax yes, but in terms of the social cost, the benefits paid out, the overcrowding and strain on all public services, especially our prisons, our immigration policy is sheer madness and certainly not beneficial. The cost to the country is huge. Have politicians learned nothing from the last election? Next time there will be an eruption if the current government do not get a grip. Stop the flow and stop it NOW!
Any incoming immigrants should only get the same benefits that their country would give them, not the mad benefits that seem to pour out of our pockets into theirs. There is nothing to stop two or three times this many coming in to Britain, which seems unbelievable madness, some thing has to be done at Government level to restrict levels of immigration, and if the cannot, then we must leave European Union. We the British people must dictate to them, and if the Government doesnÂ’t listen to us, then we must make them listen.
The whole point of this exercise by our government is cheap labour, consequently resulting in the very small minority of rich getting richer and the great majority of poor gett poorer - or as they like to call it, the new world order. Very soon we'll see Cherie open a charity hospital for the poor somewhere in London, named after her husband 'The Tony Blair Foundation' in a desperate bid to get his sainthood and his insurance into Heaven.
This country is addicted to benefits like a junkie is addicted to drugs.That is why foreigners come in to do the unskilled jobs indigenous Brits will not do and prefer to rely on State handouts. This is the reason why all the liberal bleeding hearts are bleating and the benefit recipients squealing now something (however small) is being done about it. The remedy is clear:Get out of the EU,stop foreigners being able to work here and stop making having children a career choice for both couples and single women.The policy should be:"If you will not work (if able) then you will starve" and"The state will not pay you to have children".I bet the number of jobless and (intentionally)single would shrink quickly and the benefits bill likewise. The benefits system should only be a safety net between jobs,not a career choice.
That would be ok if we could post the slack chavs to Belgium. I wonder how the EU would react to some kind of protest march or demonstration in Brussels. At the moment France is getting some stick for unpopular policies but nobody ever seems to mount any hassle right where the EuroQUANGOcrats live. Hardly seems fair.
the problem is lots of these these people do not pay tax, they stay long enough to earn there tax free wages then return home to spend it in there own countries. We are in a lose lose lose situation as they can also use our health service and claim for there children that are not here.
What some of the commentators here fail to take into account is that ,the majority of foreign workers are not boosting our economy ,they live many to a house and so only a minimal profit is made by a landlord.They live frugally while here and so contribute little to the local merchantile economny ,they send a great deal of money out of the country ,therevy assett stripping and lastly they claim benefits for children who have never set foot on our soil.Their minimum wages for the most part attract little in the way of tax and so on balance they are a huge drain.If they were not here ,wages would rise,locals would take the jobs and the local and national economy would eventually see results.Its a short term quick fix ,foreign labour and has never worked long term.
The answer to this problem is easy! As an elected government, they should reflect the wishes of the electorate. I believe that the majority of the British public feel that the bureaucratic EU does not work for our country and therefore there should be a referendum on staying in the EU. The out come would be in favour of leaving and then the immigrant Eu workers can leave! Job done !!
I've never understood why we allow 80,000 able bodied men to do nothing all day long in prison and then have thousands of immigrants come over to work on our farms etc.Prisons are too soft as it is,so why not organise a few thousand prisoners to pay back something to society, and do a days work picking fruit or whatever all these immigrants will be doing. The fresh air and exercise will do them good also,and it won't cost us anything,so it'll help keep our food prices down. I'm sure many prisoners would jump at the chance to do something constructive rather than watch TV all day.
and where did the other 1.9 millon come from.
Please, please, please, go home. The Government study shows no net benefit for the U.K and their are skills shortages in your home towns i.e. Poland where the firefighters are all girls. With High unemployment amongst locals and now harsh Cuts YOU may inadvertently start The NAZi's (PT 3). I hear rumblings, I really do. Both your kin and ours died in that film so have a care, your Greed may = WAR.
What does the headline mean 'RETURN to Britain'? Did they ever go away?
All Europeans should be classified as foreigners and surplus to requirements. What gives people from other countries any right to work in Britain. Don't say the EU as the big majority doesn't want to be led by it. We are a country called Britain and not a recluse for the area known as europe.
see the government got a handle on immigration.
What a surprise! The country will continue to go down hill as long as the PC's let anyone into our country. I don't believe the figures either. There must be over 245,000 Indian/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh restaurants in Britain, and what about the chinese?
It's all part of a grand plan by those who have the real money it's called DIVIDE AND RULE.
The problem is that evertime a question is raised to our curropt politicians about immigration that start telling us about quotas being imposed on handful of highly skilled migrants (less than 5% of total intake) coming into this country from outside EU. What the people really want and what nobody is willing to take provide an answer for are the MILLIONS that are from new EU states, half a million illegals and another million asylum seekers that live in this country. They don't speak the language, are mostly unskilled and have no intention to integrate.....
Mi casa es su casa.
I wondered where everybody had gone ?
I am sick to death of hearing that British workers don't want jobs. My husband is a City & Guilds trained carpenter with 20 years experience. He has kept his job, but been forced to take a 10% cut in wages, several others have been let go , to be replaced by Eastern Europeans who will work for the minimum wage and then claim Working Tax Credits. My son had a job in IT earning £24K, he has been replaced by an Indian immigrant being paid £17K. My family has never been out of work or claimed benefits, but we have been sold out by successive governments. Our quality of life is being eroded on a daily basis, our infrastructure is creaking at the seams and at current immigration rates, we will soon concrete over every green space to provide homes. All to provide the bosses and upper classes with cheap labour, nannies, cleaners, gardeners etc.
By voting for the same old crowd of politicians of the liblabcon backslapping fraternity this is your reward. In an age of austerity,with decent people thrown out of their jobs,and having to take employment on a part time basis,or jobs for far less money than they are used to-we have this.....extra competition from 2.5 million interlopers helping to drive down wages...'infesting' towns and villages up and down the country. You must be very pleased at the outcome of your vote.
Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners.
The bottom line is that British people will not take these jobs when they can sit around on the dole and maybe do a bit of work on the side and be better off. The government's plan to make welfare less rewarding is the only way to get the workforce back into employment.. My son did a spell in a factory between uni and his career where there were many Poles .To be fair he said that they worked very hard and all they (and he) received was minimum wage for a 12 hour shift all through the night. He said that Brits would turn up for their first night and quit before the first shift was over ! To put it bluntly they were idle.If there were no option they would just have to get on with it !
Don't let the workshy and the bleeding hearts tell you there are no jobs here...
The government needs to ascertain what sectors are lacking workers and rather than paying benefits without any end .. send these benefit seekers for re-training or indeed training from scratch ( for those who have never worked ) and give them the option of taking the job or getting no benefits ... The charity state has to end for those unwillling to work and those breeding the state to death.
good job they ARE here, they are doin gthe very jobs that our yobos and shirkers refuse to take
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!?
Now I know the DM will either decide not to post this or my comment will be red arrowed by all and sundry but - I completely understand the need for an immigration cap, afte all the UK is full to the brim - I saw it myself while I was at university. However, what I don't understand is how net immigration will fall at all while there is freedom of movement in the EU. Looking at the statistics, the majority of foreign workers are from the EU and Poland/Eastern Europe. These numbers will be unaffected by the cap. The system isn't working. Those that have overstayed, committed crimes, and are abusing the system need to be shimmied out for heavens sake.
Unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low or too demanding. First, if a job is "too demanding" the pay should be higher. A Brit would probably take any one of these jobs if the pay rate was suitable for the task. But we will never know whether this is true, because there are millions of foreign workers to take the jobs at any wage. Who did all these jobs before the foreign workers arrived here? In California for instance, the majority of workers in fast food restaurants are Hispanic, mostly in the US illegally. They are paid the minimum wage and subjected to less than satisfactory working conditions, with no benefits. High school students and other Americans looking for full or part time work are left out of this market. But in more isolated States such as Vermont or New Hampshire, the same restaurants will pay 50% above minimum wage to entice American workers.
People should ask themselves why do English/British employers still prefer to employ people from Eastern Europe over indigenous people. The minimum wage ensures that no one is used as cheap labour as done in every country. As such am employer trying to stay afloat in these rocky times would look at who will give them better productivity with the least amount of fuss. Let us be honest to ourselves and recognise that times have changed, the business approach of companies is now very much capitalist and driven by the ideologies of profit and wealth accumulation. Every company will be looking at maximum productivity at the minimum possible cost. The days of we are British (first world/developed country) are long gone and now you have to work hard. If working hard it too much for you them claim benefits and stay at home.
this country is stark staring bonkers, we are in massive debt and yet we still let in all these people and if eu workers cant get employment they are still entitled to all our benefits, we have gone down the plughole
It is time our own unemployed became more competitive to prevent the foreigners filling the jobs. Cut the handouts, make them hungry and the queues for employment would swell enormously. Furthermore, if the Eastern Europeans can up sticks and travel a thousand miles to look for work, it is not too much to ask our own unemployed to travel a mere 100 or even 200 miles or more to relocate and secure work. One of the problems is that our own unemployed are simply not fit enough to to sustain many of the jobs the foreigners are filling. As time goes by (a few weeks rather than years), engagement in physically demanding work results in improved fitness, making the individual fit for purpose and the work far easier.
And still the government will profess that immigrant workers are good for the economy. Don't you just love being treated like an idiot by all the various governments that have ruled in recent decades
Now I know the DM will either decide not to post this or my comment will be red arrowed by all and sundry but - I completely understand the need for an immigration cap, afte all the UK is full to the brim - I saw it myself while I was at university. However, what I don't understand is how net immigration will fall at all while there is freedom of movement in the EU. Looking at the statistics, the majority of foreign workers are from the EU and Poland/Eastern Europe. These numbers will be unaffected by the cap. The system isn't working. Those that have overstayed, who are criminals, who abuse the system and who are unskilled need to be shimmied out for heavens sake.
Do these dodgy statistics include the 1,400,000 illegal immigrants currently in the UK, whom the Home Office cannot trace?
The article didn't mention how many Britons are working elsewhere in the EU, or elsewhere in the world. It must be a similar number to the number of foreign workers who shifted to the UK, considering the unemployment rate, and very few new jobs being created in the UK. So, people moved out, people moved in type of thing I guess.
I'm beyond UK retirement age + and it is said by our unemployed they cannot find work ! Or that employment would mean a cut in their benefits payments.but what surprises me is all these foreign people arrive find a job and just get on with it ! Before I went to live in Scotland, what worried me a bit was the number of unemployed, especially in the Glasgow area. Having got there I discovered more work available than I'd seen in my whole life ! ! But you just try to find a handy man or builder, none ! wait weeks for a half useless moron to arrive and regret it quickly. There are thousands of openings in Scotland for anyone who wants to work. I wouldn't be atall surprised if it's not the same in England and Wales too. We should welcome anyone who is willing to work, from anywhere.
Excellent news. That means more British people can choose a permanent no-work lifestyle and live off the state. We taxpayers are only too happy to pay for non-working Brits and those EU workers who claim child allowances, etc. Yes, raise taxes. We're used to being screwed; and you, the government, can just keep bleeding us dry.
Good, they're good workers, and in many areas improved crime rates by actually doing something about it. The ratio to me, must stand at 7:3 for benefit/risk. If the british people wont work, then let the europeans in. What bothers me is the comapny profiteering, tax/benefit/housing/welfare/schooling scamming, non-criminal checks, paying our tax outside our country and so forth. The British people need a boot up their backside to a) stand up for themselves b) stop being so consertative tip - look at france c) help themselves and their neighbours before attending to non-uk's d) not vote in complete idiots like your usual LibLabCon.
Anyone see that documentary where they put 5 unemployed 'Brits' on benefits into these jobs in the place of these Foreign workers? Only 1 turned up on time, 1 didn't bother, he phoned in saying he was on the booze the night before and wasn't bothering to go to work.. Those that made it to work worked so slowly, stopping for fag breaks and phone breaks that when the British owner paid them the minimum wage, he said he had actually lost money employing them for the day. The one guy who gave it a go was lost as they put an English guy in an Indian restaurant and he didn't know his Rogan Josh from his Vindaloo. (so that wasn't a fair test) It showed that the problem isn't with Foreign workers 'taking our jobs' but the fact that British workers are now (mostly) lazy. Thank the lord that there are still some of us who are willing to WORK for a living.
"Eastern Europeans may be taking jobs that workers here are reluctant to do, possibly because unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low paid or too demanding." Or maybe the high cost of living doesn't affect them, because they are coming to do the job on a short term basis, before returning home with savings that converts to relatively high capital in their home country. But of course it is easier to trot out the tired old line about Britons being lazy. The irony is that this driving down of wages, and the indigenous reaction, is pure Adam Smith economics - yet the theorhetical Adam Smithites prefer morality to economics when considering the issue.
While we remain inside Euroland, there is absolutely nothing Cameron or Theresa can do about it..
Good, keep letting them in. If the British sheeple are not yet awake then they soon will be.
Hmmmm? How many British people are unemployed? How many foreign workers have taken jobs in Britain? Now lets do some maths... Do I see a way of saving Britain billions in unemployment and ther benefits? Hmmmm?
Hmmmm? How many British people are unemployed? How many foreign workers have taken jobs in Britain? Now lets do some maths... Do I see a way of saving Britain billions in unemployment and ther benefits? Hmmmm?
STOP foreign workers in Britain ... NOW!
For 35 years I have been trying to get work in the UK - I lost my marrage at the end of 30 years becuase I was only allowed 60 days per year in UK - This was due to the Contract of Employment and because of the UK Tax Laws which do not allow visits that are more than 90 days with in a year. It actualy has to be less because of the tax year Please tell me where these jobs are I am still physically fit - I have a UK Passport - UK Driving License - I will relocate to where ever the work is
Can you (sometimes) use your brains, people? Where is the photo and name of the
so according to this statistic 4% of the population are committing 18% of the crime . You do the maths
so according to this statistic 4% of the population are committing 18% of the crime . You do the maths
Why not put up posters of Liverpool. Then the scousers would sort them out the real way!!!
Sounds like an idiotic thing a council would do. I'd be asking them about the posters.
We keep letting them walk in. They are no value to the country, only harm. Are we mad?
Even if we did leave the EU nothing would change. The liblabcon would continue with the same policies.
Another European success story.
We should just throw them out. These people are ruining our country. Just get us out of the EU Cameron.
This must be another DM windup surely !
I wonder what Albert Steptoe would say about this article?
Poland isn't in Eastern, but in Central Europe.
Who on Earth would want to come to that place?! Those Polish criminals have no self respect! Outrageous!
Lets kick out graduates from Africa and welcome criminals from EU. Well done Britain
EU need us, they would find it very hard to get another gullible Country like us.
We dont care where you (and your contemporaries) came from or why, we just dont want you here now - or ever. Full Stop
If you have ever been to Bognor Regis you will understand that prison is probably a better alternative.
The real problem is that the lack of benefits in Poland drives Polish people to come the UK which has accessible generous benefit provision. We are a magnet for all the 'good, bad and ugly' of Europe and will continue to be until the gross disparityin benefits is resolved: Prefereably by quitting the EU.
Your missing the point - we don't want (or need) you here regardless of where you came from. - HG, London, 19/6/2012 13:01 Does it mean you always stay in England and never go abroad? By the way, where did you send off your prisoners years ago? You did not want to have them here. Stop being ignorant as your post shows and send the prisoners back to their homeland. Resolved.
Am I being scepitical here! but it looks to me like we are being pushed towards a civil war....why on earth would criminals be encouraged into this country this way. We are under attack from our own leaders on all fronts....this is sending a message to all of us that no one is looking out for the honest hard working tax payers and I am getting fed up with it now. This is very dangerous and needs to be confronted.
A mythical poster come to Bognor where many solvent elderly people live who are vunerable to criminality. Don't worry the British tax payer will house you, give you money to live off, you will have free medical assistance, education and in some cases free transport. What you need to do is just turn up. Some families are on the brink of finanacial Armageddon the highest rate of youth unemployment our hospitals are buckling under the strain of excessive ( under Blair's
This is what happens when politicians absolve themselves of their reponsibility, too much talk and no action - nothing changes! Why do other European countries not have the same degree of problems, maybe they take a stricter line!
ENJOY, SUCKERS!
Please please please shut the door.
moan moan moan,I'll bet next election the same lot will BE VOTED IN . they are all the same just the strip changes colour,this was said 60YEARS AGO. - quin f, longcroft uk, 19/6/2012 11:50 2,000 years ago and counting actually!
I never see anyone complain about the miilions comin from other continents who wiill never go back
jodie, QLD Australia, 19/6/2012 13:18 Don't be confused. This article and others like it are just right wing let's hate everyone trolling.
Whoever signed up to allow the dregs of Europe into our country should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Time for a cultural exchange. Send our criminals over to Poland and see if they like it.
Living very close to Bognor I'm in a better position to comment than the majority here. I don't recognise the description of Poles as valid at all. The ones I know are very pleasant and hard working. They are here to work you know. Of course, mere facts are not good enough for the ravening hordes of dm readers. A large proportion of them dislike anyone who isn't exactly like them. This would be okish if it weren't for the large proportion of dm readers being abjectly appalling examples of human beings. Constant whining about everything, refusal to help anyone less fortunate. I'm jolly pleased we haven't had an influx of dm readers to Bognor. Now that would be unpleasant. Actually probably quite a few in Aldwick, maybe we can fence them in
That explains a lot. Feel like a foreigner in my own town sometimes. If someone is found to be breaking the law, why are they not sent back to their own country for them to deal with them??? And if they try to return, they should be stopped at customs. Why do we have to put up with criminals from other countries as well as our own?
I thought America was the least appealing place on earth. It seems I was wrong. England is on the downward spiral.. Such a shame, the pictures of your country side and castles always made it seem like such a lovely place to visit. I'll stay away, thanks to your looney Government. Anyway god forbid one of my children were to get sick whilst on holiday over there! Your hospitals are also stink according to the other article I just read.. What a mess!
Well at least they are white. - ME ME, LaLa Land, 19/6/2012 12:42 Well what an ignorant little creature you are!!!!!!!!
We have the right to live anywhere in Europe or did know one tell you that..
Weren't George V's famous last words "Burgle Bognor"? Or something like that...
im an immgrant and i too dont understand how uk allows people with criminal past settle in uk so easily. you cannot blame eu on everything- e.g. EU has Euro circulating and UK doesnt so why not too be different on foreign criminals from the rest of EU?
Foreign nationals coming here don't have to undergo the same riorous CRB checks that British nationals have to undergo. They can come here with a clean sheet.
And *********STILL***********The elected Government does *******NOTHINK*******about******IMMIGRATION** Towns,Citys.Seaside Resorts are turning into Hell Hole's where no real British Person would want to live. Thats why they Move Out and that why places like Newham, we the indiginous population are now the minority. If they thought it was wonderful,diverse,cosmopolitan as all the Media,BBC and politicians would have us belive they would not of MOVED OUT. Multicultralism is a failure and its about time Cameron done some think about. As he has already lost my Vote. The mans an IDIOT where in Tony Blair case he was the begining of the End of the UK and will go down in history as Britains most destructive PM.
You do not have the right to compain if you vboted for Dozy Dave or any of the Lib-Lab-Con cartel as they are all in it together. Open B orders to anyone who wants to come is official government policy and Dozy Dave is telling us he wants to limit the flow to 225,000 a year. The fool has no plans we know about to house, feed, educate, assimilate such vast numbers the equivalent of a big city every single year for years and years. Anyone who votes for the Lib-Lab-Con cartel desrves just this sort of result. UKIP--are not a right wing nazi party--they want to shut the borders to protect our country and uphold the rights of all of us.
Well at least you people have place to moan about polish people.Luckily there is nothing you can do. I don't believe in one word in this article.We have almost a million polish people in this country and you are surprised few rotten apples get there as well?Not every country can be  so perfect like England.English are wonderful people,kind,open to different nations,pretty  people,well educated,rich,not at all selfish,not xenophobic,not racist English people are not being caught abroad for smuggling drugs,Raul Moat,Derick Bird,Baby P case,rioters from London mugging Thai boy,and many others. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
Eastern Europe is not just one country. It is better if in your articles you would show where this scam came from without blaming the whole Eastern Europe. - Mango, London, 19/6/2012 12:27 Your missing the point - we don't want (or need) you here regardless of where you came from.
Well at least you people have place to moan about polish people.Luckily there is nothing you can do. I don't believe in one word in this article.We have almost a million polish people in this country and you are surprised few rotten apples get there as well?Not every country can be so perfect like England.English are wonderful people,kind,open to different nations,pretty people,well educated,rich,not at all selfish,not xenophobic,not racist English people are not being caught abroad for smuggling drugs,Raul Moat,Derick Bird,Baby P case,rioters from London mugging Thai boy,and many others. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
Is there a poster asking the criminals to live in the same areas as the politicians. Loads of taxpayers booty to get hold of.
We have been told we need mutliculteralism often enough. This is a fine example!
And so George V gets his last wish.
Eastern Europe is not just one country. It is better if in your articles you would show where this scam came from without blaming the whole Eastern Europe.
If i was a criminal i would not go to a poor area i would go where the pickings are much better and Bognor sounds just about right
This can only get worse as unemployment rises in europe and our benefits to those who have never paid into the system are so generous. Also as we see time and time again the courts are pathetic when it comes to sentencing people. The free movement of people throughout europe was always going to be a problem for us and only that twit Blair with his money grabbing wife couldn't see it.
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Average citizen knew will happen if they let eastern Europe unchecked. Only our government did not realise that. It will get wire unless we get out.
moan moan moan,I'll bet next election the same lot will BE VOTED IN . they are all the same just the strip changes colour,this was said 60YEARS AGO.
I wonder what
ITS THE SAME OVER HERE, U CAN BLAME YOUR GOVERMENT ALONG WITH THE IRISH AND I THINK SWEDISH GOVERMENTS WHO WERE THE ONLY COUNTRIES TO PLACE NO RESTRICTIONS ON POLISH WHEN THEY JOINED THE EURO IN 2004 ... WHEN MOST OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND EUROPE DID.
this is Pooland
Polish criminals who also earn convictions over here, cannot be deported because Poland hasn't signed up to the Prisoner Exchange Programme. Who is responsible for suggesting that former inmates make their way to the South Coast of England?
can't understand what for you use anti-polish propaganda all the time DM?Why you hate them so much? Not all POLISH people are criminals.And you should show some proof like picture of that poster or name of prison.Whole article is just based on one gossip.Get a grip DM.You can't wait when English people will start fighting with polish on the street because they have read all those horrible stories about them in your paper. You are really the worst tabloid ever and the most xenophobic paper in UK.Shame on You.Not all Poles are criminals.
Friends who now live in Europe tell me that the UK is regarded by the French and Germans as Europes 'dustbin', where all the human 'rubbish' from Europe goes to live because they get free hand-outs and accommodation. Apparently, we even take toxic waste from Europe and bury it here in the UK - so I've been told - under some quietly agreed deal previous Governments made with certain European countries, doesn't surprise me in the least....
Had a fanily day on Bounemouth beach about 5 years ago. Got there early to park and then found a nice space on the beach - but after 2 hours we were like sardines. Full of our louts and also eastern europeans. The usual, cig ends flicked all around, alchohol, lewdness. It was a real cesspit, so we left early. Sorry Bournemouth but I will never go back. So now Bognor - well bugger Bognor too. The whole country is being trashed and the 'lunatics are in charge of the asylum' The only solution I know of is to not vote for those who said they would change things before they were in power.
Why don't immigration check criminal records on people coming into the country. Canada won't even let someone with a DUI enter the country.
Again to all those who have forgotten. 2008, the signing of the Lisbon treaty, by Miliband then Brown. The Tories hands are tied. The only way is out of the EU. Whatever your MP's party, hound them into giving us a referendum NOW. Then you will see panic in the EU. Brown signed us up to a never ending cess pit. You cannot bail out a bankrupt country and there are at least 5 in the EU. Now if oil was discovered in large quantities in the EU, then that would be different.
Sittingbourne is fast becoming a suburb of Warsaw
You want to reduce the prison polulation ? simple deport ALL foreign criminals. why should british taxpayers pay for them to be in jail ??
Just come back from a Portugal Coastal area. The locals were saying they are having a problem with eastern european migrants, with prostitution and crime becoming rife.
You just couldn't make this up, we the british tax payer has to put up with this kind of vile class of people flooding into our country and the goverment does nothing about out human rights to get the borders shut.
Bognor - now that's one part of the South that isn't beautiful!
Is this a joke? It can't be real. - Pippen, Kiwiland, 19/6/2012 10:56........IT IS REAL! I LIVE NEAR BOGNOR AND ITS GOT MORE POLISH THAN KRAKOW.......THE PLACE IS A DISGRACE, GOD KNOWS WHAT HOLIDAYMAKERS THINK WHEN THEY GO THERE. THE BUTLINS BROCHURE DOESN'T TELL THEM ABOUT THAT!
are given a choice when caught all over Europe, prosecution or a one way ticket to the U.K. which he also described as the cess pit of Europe, his words not mine, most choose the one way ticket to the U.K. - Benny, remember the Ozone layer, it never went away., Manchester, UK, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is complete rubbish. never happened!
Throw+them+out%2C+sick+of+them
What is depressing is not that some eastern Europeans are crooks but that so many who no doubt consider themselves model citizens are racists. Just check the green arrows and see.
I said this would happen when they opened the gaping mouth of the EU ever wider. It has spewed its sewage upon us.
A tad unfair. The Polish people I know in Bognor are as nice as the English people I know in Bognor. Why would it be any different.
Yep....come to dustbin Britain...we take all the refuse other countries don't want.
The relationship between elected and those who elect them is very simple and breaks down into two parts. The elected collects tax's and spends them on our behalf (whether that by on law the majority deem appropriate in the county etc), we in turn should pay those taxes. Secondly they should protect us and REPRESENT OUR best interests, again we should abide by those laws until they are changed by proper process. To put simply we vote them into power to look after US and give them the financial means to do so, however it's like a members club, you all pay and you are all a member i.e. English, American, Greek whatever. Why it this not understood by our politicians?
As I have previously posted, I was told by a Dutch Police inspector petty criminals are given a choice when caught all over Europe, prosecution or a one way ticket to the U.K. which he also described as the cess pit of Europe, his words not mine, most choose the one way ticket to the U.K.
Why+do+you+never+hear+these+sorts+of+issues+raised+at+Prime+Minister%27s+Questions%3F
Is this a joke? It can't be real.
Officers say 18 per cent of the crimes in the Arun area are committed by Eastern Europeans should probably read%2C 82%25 of crimes are NOT committed by Eastern Europeans.
round them up and take all the ill gotten gaines and donate them to charity them after they finish there sentance send them back to there own country
If they commit an offence here they can be immediately deported. Or maybe Spanish Police are breaking EU rules.
Vote UKIP deport the lot of them there a scourge on the country
TONY BLAIR
A big thank you to those wonderful Eurocrats in Brussels and our outstanding governments both past and present for allowing the dross of Europe to come to the UK and steal, sponge and turn our country into a cesspit. We never voted for this, but the likes of Blair and Brown signed us up for it anyway. Ship them back and to hell with Brussels. - A Little Balance, England, 19/6/2012 09:44 Can you prease remind yourself about what Camerons promise was about immigration when he was campaigning at the last election..He publicly stated that he would cut immigration to tens of thousands...Yet last year we allowed half a million immigrants into the UK
If we leave the EU, tear up the treaties and govern our own nation like we used to do then we can just round up every one of them and send them packing back to their own countries.
This is just one of the many reasons why you all should join UKIP and vote for them whenever you can, local or general elections, because the other three have done and will do absolutely NOTHING to stem this tide of immigrants.
ahhhh, right then, this explain an awful lot, having lived here a few years ago.
This was happening 15 years ago in Hastings (One of the reasons I moved North)...................Therefore the Government has had at least that amount of time to do something about it, they have done NOTHING but fill their own pockets.........................Our country is wonderful our Government stinks.
Don't you just love the benefits of belonging to the EU?
Don't complain, get him deported.
and we STILL dither over immergrantion and the HUGE influx we see year in and year out , while we suffer massive unemplyment amoung our own and all the services are at breaking point ...we CAN NOT sustain this and need a reversal NOW !!!
oh nooooooooooooooo!!!! not another one of our lovely seaside towns eroded by dangerous criminals...
Looks like the last President of Poland was quite correct you in the UK have all our criminals.
Is it April 1st today?
A big thank you to those wonderful Eurocrats in Brussels and our outstanding governments both past and present for allowing the dross of Europe to come to the UK and steal, sponge and turn our country into a cesspit.
How many more computer bugs will be needed to rid ourselves of the EU. Mr. Cameron all you need to do to walk the next election is state that the British Electorate have a vote whether to stay in or out. He knows what the answers going to be and so do all the parasites. This nation is on the brink and irrespective of what the Labour pack of yes people say it is getting nearer the day when the populace have their say. Mr. Cameron be under no illusion we want positive action
Theres only one party that will put a stop to all this and you know it
Reply to Amy Bath, This would happen whatever party was in power they are all tarred with the same brush
<< Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats. - Avril King, Poole, 14/9/2009 10:34 >> Is there any difference??
<< I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Alan, Alnwick, 14/9/2009 10:02 >> He's still waiting for Mandelson to tell him.
the only party that will stop this is the BNP, but I bet you all continue to vote Lib Lab Con. Like the sheep you are.
Wouldn't let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from the east of Europe no problem. Enough reasons to bail out of the EU catastrophy and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Oh the benefits of unrestricted mass immigration!
I'm Slovakian and have been living in UK 6 years. I have got full time job, pay tax and don't claim any benefits here. i have benn studying english and work hard to become part of the community. I'm sorry to read that Slovakian ai England are part of mafia or sort of. All my slovakian friend in England work and don't do any crime.
By reading those comments, I am a bit confused whether we are reading the same article. Is this about an immigration or a scam? It could also have been committed by English/British people!!! Let's not forget about the crimes committed by British abroad (e.g. lawyer friends claiming an insurance of 'stolen things' in south america, british teenagers smuggling drugs etc The thing is when British commit s the crime 'the government is ready to go and 'rescue' them from their punishment....Not all nations have 'this privilige' ....
Would'nt let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from eastern Europe with the a--e hanging out of their trousers can enter no problem .Good reasons to bail out of this EU catastrophe and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Cassandra from Nottingham, you were doing so well until you appologised for being 'un-PC' that's where all the problems stemmed from! The PC band wagon has caused us to be scared of raising an eyebrow, let alone our voice in support of OUR opinions and standing up for OUR human rights, bugger anyone who doesn't or hasn't paid into OUR tax and health systems! Send them home to face what's coming to them!
Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. I'm confident that the four given bail will turn up at Court at the appointed time for their trial.
I'm at a bit of a loss to understand from Madge in France just what David Cameron has to do with this scam. Its has nothing to do with the government and as much as I'd like to say it, not even Gordon Brown is responsible for elements of this scam. This is purely a banking issue where the profits of banks comes ahead of adequate security measures. Chip n Pin technology enabled this sort of scam just as labours ID card idea would make people far more vulnerable to ID theft once the codes are cracked. Whilst the losses through scams to the banks remain below a certain percentage, banks accept it as the cost of doing business even if it causes major problems for their clients.
Whoops spoke to soon!
Every country has its criminal element and it matters not one jot where this bunch originated from!! Incidently, its largely because of the EU that we got a lot of our criminals back from Spain to 'do their time', rather than swan round the Costa Brava for the rest of their lives. I don't remember people then talking about how we must "get out of the EU"!!!
I dont see these guys as any more criminal than the banks. All these guys are doing is participating in the banking industry. Thievery, deceit etc. Whats the difference.
I wonder if those wanting all immigrants kicked out of Britain are the same people who think they should be allowed to park on private land without consequence.
This is why people are voting BNP - the only party interested in keeping Britain British.
More evidence that this country is stuffed to the gunwhales with slimy crooks, gangsters, and our own feral cretins. And as someone has already said.nothing will be done to deport this trash. They'll be allowed to stay, get a severe ticking off and left to run riot once more while claiming (fraudulent levels?) of benefits. Soon this country willbe without any thinking , sensible Brits and populated by the dross and deadbeats of the world.
To Mark of Barcelona, living here (look it up) I can assure you that a lot of Germans now say that they would gladly have the wall back up. I remember the first weeks when the wall came down and the "Ossies" came visiting. The "Westies" gave them all 200 D-marks, with no questions asked, "Welcome Money" they only had to go to any Bank or Post office with a DDR passport. Didn't take them long to realise there were no controls and they made repeated visits to various banks etc each time getting another "Welcome". We (W. German taxpayers) are still paying for them in a "Solidaritaets Beitrag" (Look it up).
Bring in the BNP. Stands for British National Party. Their the ones who can sort this country out and please do not say they are rasist. We are British so we vote for our British party.
As that ideot Brown keeps telling us we need them.
The comments here are too be expected (as is the ensuing red arrows I guess). These are criminals and poor people being easily led. There's no reason to suspect that British Nationals offered the chance of free cash, wouldn't have done the same thing. It's the fault of organised criminals not a governments immigration policy. The government has no responsibility for a bank's awful IT infrastructure!
Have not read the article but am happy to see Barclays have been robbed!
Another reason to vote ukip!
We have been ruined by these armies of foreign scroungers and criminals...out of Europe now..vote Bnp,that is what i will do if Cameron doesnt stop the terrible tragedy Labour has allowed to our country!!
The Sloivakians seeme to have learnded great lessons from the directors of the banking institutions..They have been robbing the banks for years ....A pity our law enforcement has not been as swift to put the lot of them in handcuffs....including Godwin who brought his bank to its knees and does not have to rob an ATM machine to pocket his illgotten gains...The tax payer,yoiu and me , take good care of him...His reward for greed and incompetance....and still in bed with HRH Charles and his chairities..
When you look at the overall amount taken it is hardly a fraud of any note. It not even a tenth of the bonus of an ordinary banker. Its more the embarrassment for the bank that counts.
Why are they out? So they can continue scamming?
When I was involved with Immigration enforcement work I regularly (nearly always) found that immigration offenders had credit cards, sometimes with high credit limits even though they were not permitted to work in the UK. Even when I informed the Card issuers that the holders were here illegally and due to be removed to their own countries I was rarely asked to confiscate the credit cards. Presumably the holders could then spend up to the limits in other countries. I doubt they paid off the cards. Banks appear to fall over themselves to give credit and have only themselves to blame for such losses.
if it was an arab country theyd be executed over here they might send them to a holiday camp
'Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. They were travelling in a Porsche Cayenne 4x4 which had arrived from Dover by ferry.' 34 in a Cayenne? Now THAT'S clever...
Amy, Bath: It will happen if the tories get in. The dream for all the politicians is to become a Euro superstate and have a president. Mr Tony Bliar is set up to become the (unelected by the people) President of Europe. They want the power that America has. They don't care about our country or our people. They let all immigrants in (illegal or otherwise) and give them citizienships and let them call themselves "British" and they allow them to vote ..and there is the crux of the matter. English may not vote for labour or tory but all immigrants will vote labour and the EU has told our government we have to take more thousands in, and they will do so because they are gutless. The EU bods must be obeyed. England will be dismanteled and become a region within Europe. There will not be any "Englishness" allowed. Take heed people, this is what will happen.
We need about 25 years of nationalist government. UKIP or BNP, I don't care which. Nationlist in the sense that they will put Britain first and the rest of the world second. Pull up the draw bridge on the incoming and clear out anyone who isn't legally here. In short, clean up the mess that this government has made and then ensure there are adequate controls in place befor elowering the draw bridge again. Britain has been sold out by this and previous governments in the interest of big business and their global ambitions for profit not social justice. All globalisation has done is to allow the criminal classes to roam the global preying on the innocent and corporations to redistribute poverty. This is what New Labour has abandoned the british people to.
Vote BNP... Stop this now..
It's all very well everyone blaming Tony Blair / Gordon Brown / NuLabour / the French / the Turks / the EU / immigration / Elvis Presley / whoever...the bottom line is that if Barclays weren't so stupid that "...unlimited money could be withdrawn from an account, even if there was technically hardly anything in it.", then this wouldn't have happened, would it?
This is one reason i will stay an ex pat!!! Such a shame.
Politicians have alot to answer for when they make decisions with such disasterous consequences. Countries like slovakia and romania were known to have notorious criminal gangs and thieves yet they were still welcomed into the EU. Money from the EU pours into these countries. By living the life of crime, stealing, pickpocketing and receiving benefits etc they send money to their own country and build mansions from the rich pickings they gain from western europe. This was only recently exposed in a documentary on TV.
"engage in its usual money-recovery activities." This means they will fleece it back from their investors.
This type of crime will escalate together with prostitution, the ever increasing drug problem and internet fraud as well as crime of every description. The reason why is that we are subservient to all the petty EU regulations that they throw at us. The three tired old parties are all for the EU and voting for them is voting for more sufferance. The only party that I can see to sort these problems out is the British National Party. Love them or hate them you can see that things are rapidly disintegrating in this country. Ignore them at your peril.
Theft from a bank is a crime! The Slovakian miscreants were caught and they will be hauled up before the beak and be given a severe slap on the wrist. On the other side of the coin, bankers were caught fraudulently emptying the coffers of billions and created an economic recession. For their efforts they were given huge bonuses. It looks like the banks are easy prey for thieves and frauds alike. As an incredible! How long will it be before we are told; "You local bank was robbed today. Therefore £xxx.xx has been deducted from your account to make up the shortfall"
As Tony Bliar said.......We need their skills......
When we agreed to open up our borders, who did they expect to get in, Goldilocks and the tooth fairy? Not with our benefits system ripe for the plucking and the police looking at thought crimes. Not a lot we can do about it really except thro' the ballot box.
'I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.' - Alexandrina, London, 14/9/2009 10:45 Whatever makes you think the Tories will close the borders? This is typical of lifelong NuLav voters who have become disenchanted with Brown and his henchmen. They fall for the BIG LIE that the 'other' Party will be better. Lib/Lav/Con are ONE Party. You can include UKIP also. They are ALL, without exception one hundred per cent committed to taking us into a Federal Europe and destroying the nation state. In fact we are so far into being obliterated as a nation state that, short of a revolution, it is probably too late to recover. The sadness lies in the truth that most of the electorate are ignorant of what is being done. The awakening will be brutal but much too late. Very clever really, the way they've fooled most of the people most of the time.
The Slovakian Government is run by the Mafia, believe it or not! So I, for one, am not surprised. I enjoyed my stay in Slovakia. They are really nice people and they take care of their country. HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When my elderly neighbours were burgled, the Police did not make any arrests. The perpetrator was found in the Danube, having failed his swimming test!........... We know, because a rather sharp little man told us........ The old folks did not get their valuables returned, though...........
How come that a scam using Barclays bank cards suddenly becomes a forum for political debate? How about turning on Barclays and asking them about security against fraud because there's obviously a lot of work to do, regardless of the political party in power!
Tragic that these people are living here in comfort while honest citizens, whose forefathers fought and died in the wars, are struggling to live a decent life. Why do you think house prices are so high? Because of the huge numbers of foreigners like this living in them.
It's not just the Slovaks.Here in Oz we've had a wave of ATM fraud perpetrated by Romanians.
"What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42" I cant believe that there are people who actually think this.Who are YOU to make such judgements? The dreadful day for us all was when USSR had destroyed Hitler to keep britain free,perhaps we could start from there? If you are not happy being in EU,than vote for the anti-EU party.And forget about the benefits of being a EU citizen.
I've said it before I'll say it again: LIBERALS = ULTIMATE TREASON
Madge Blair, France - Excellent. Totally agree with you...
When will this country get it's head from out of it's backside and realise that the majority of Immigrants, have lived up to now by their wits and by any means possible to simply survive. That means they are Street Wise, don't give a monkeys about the Authorities and will run rings round anybody in this Country, many of whom, quite frankly would have trouble changing a light bulb, without assistance from their computer. Face the facts, we are simply unprepared for the sort of scams that these people regard as normal life.
Just One Very Small problem here Once upon a time we had a Head of State. Namely Her Majesty, The Queen. No we have to answer to a Load of Unelected Politicians in the EU, and soon , to the President of the EU. Blair. Will the Tory Party give this country the Referendum as promised and take the UK OUT OF The EU. Then start to clear out all of the Garbage sent here by the EU. You are of course at liberty to tell me that I am wrong in what i believe. Pat
One of the "joys" of our membership of the EU it that every criminal scumbag in Europe has a legal right to come and live here. And, as is increasingly obvious, many have done just that. As the planet's population grows, so does the number of people involved in crime. Our only hope of avoiding being literally overrun by such people is by exerting very tight control over our borders. That means letting in a lot less "tourists", "students", spouses....and leaving the EU asap!
The Criminal Paradise of Great Britain. Send us your rapists,murderers,thieves and general scum. What an achievement for this lame government.
If anyone thinks that our Dave is going to do anything about all this, they should forget it. Dave is as much in love with the "EU dream" as all the other un-democratic load of swindlers in Westminster. They couldn't care less what our children and grandchildren have to put up with, living cheek by jowl with criminals, - they don't! Its the same here in france, the political pygmies who run this country are all living on another planet as well, and their corruption is as great as in England. Nobody is going to get deported out of all this, after all, they are all crooks together, aren't they? So they will look after each other. Until we have a party in Britain who cares about the British people more than lining their own pockets, this will go on and on!
The chickens are coming home roost now showing how stupid this country has been, we have let in every Tom Dick or Harry, legal or illegal when they do wrong they are allowed stay claiming asylum and benefits instead of being sent back to their country of origin, we sent back a terrorist to die in his own country , it will never change now the floodgates have been opened so long we are drowning in our own stupidity. GREAT BRITAIN no GUTLESS BRITAIN run by morons.
O ! I hear you all yelling but I bet you vote for a party thay will just carry on with it ??.
What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42 Yes what an awful day for a country to be reunited, hatred banished and the reunification of 2 powers. You are evidently a total philistine (look it up) please try to source your information from the Mail or other such periodicals (look it up)
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays. - Rick, Newcastle uk It was Ted Heath who tricked the electorate into joining the EEC, try and get Dave to promise a referendum for withdrawal from the EU. That's all it would take to guarantee a tory government.
I'm sure this wouldn't have happened if the Tories were in power
Not one red arrow comment so far, I think we are all singing from the hymn sheet. POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE!!
What on earth are we thinking about lettin g all this scum into our country and paying them to live here before our own people. We used to be a wonderful place to live, but now we are the rubbish of europe and the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Check on anyone who wants to come into our country before they even get to the borders, not after they arrive here where they can easily dissapear wiothout trace. When we travel abroad we have to go through border control with our passports etc, so how is it all these criminals are aable to get in without any problems. Disgusted of Bournemouth.
So Barclays blame a 'computer bug'. Sure do take us for mugs, dont they. It was their crass incompetence that was to blame. But what do they care? It will all be paid for in the charges that every one of Barclays customers pay. Thankfully I am not one of them.
We should get out of the EU now. Borders should be re-established, policed & enforced aggresively. Financial migrants should be sent home forthwith & not be allowed back (as should all immigrants who have commited any criminal offence). Human Rights should be abolished forever (the only people who seem to use them are those intent on criminal activity in any case & have no respect for anyone else's). The vast amounts of cash saved from the EU budget should be reinvested in our own country & distributed by qualified, competent professionals to help the masses & not just the few (not MP's or defunct MEP's)... Message sent to Santa early!
the french made 34 arrests ...I bet you they are sent back here instead of there own country .
So much for the holy grail of "Chip and Pin" security.. Wait till labours Id cards come in the back door.. Every detail of all our lives up for sale. Still voting marxist.?
I agree with ALL comments. It is time that we CLOSED our borders and GET OUT of the EU!!! I think ANY British citizen would vote for the Party who promises to take us out of the EU. Come on David Cameron make us that promise PLEASE!!!!!!!
"Out on bail". That's okay then, they'll disappear and more will take over and rob us all blind. Don't you just love the justice system, all for the criminals one and all !
build a wall dividing east and west europe and introduce severe border controls and kick all the garbage out.Which ever poliical party sorts out the mess will et my vote. Harry, a true brit.
Well thats a shock, NOT.!!! All living in our country, bleeding everyone dry and out on bail. Great. the party that takes us out of the stupid E.U. gets our vote.
I suppose it was organised by the government as part of thier attempt to balance the books.` Using slovacs to carry the can is a wonderfull idea, after all they are some of our better imports, they steal overseas and bring the cash to the UK. Now all we need to do is use them to train our MPs.
Perspective: The money was taken from a massive, multi-national company that made £6.1 BILLION PROFIT last year. That's a 0.005% loss in profits. If this happened to you or I (and you or I earn i.e. £25K a year) it's the equivalent of having about £1.25 stolen from you. £1.25!!! I lose more than that down the back of the sofa each year..... With banks having illegally taken around £5bn from customers every year in penalty charges, this 'loss' is a complete joke.
What a lovely people. We give them safe haven and the chance to make a new life and this is how they 'repay' us. No pun intented.
One has to ask the question WHY these foreign criminals choose to live in & target this country for robbery, theft, scams, fraud etc etc. Answer is simple - our Government has made it so damn easy, the EU is happy for them to be "our" problem & even if they're caught we still pay the cost of keeping them in prison. We have a proud history of being a refuge for the oppressed but these days we're the oppressed, suppressed and damned depressed!
If our police know who they are they should be arrested and tried over here. Then sent back to Slovakia to do their time.
This shows just how grateful they are to be here in OUR country..... NOT satisfied with ALL the FREE BEEs they get from us tax payers ...they take more....Deport them all
How lucky we all are to be members of the EU.
I have the perfect defence for these money loaders. They were on a mission for Bully Brown - "Quantitative Easing'....
These fine upstanding citizens of Europe who now reside her, probably on benefits, along with murderers and rapists, etc., that we have inherited courtesy of our beloved masters. They will probably be returned to England, allocated Probation Officers, given new identities and round the clock Police Protection. That is of course, after they have had medical check ups, and been assessed to see if they are eligible for any more benifits due to a change in their circumstances. Have I missed anything out.? Well they will get the appropriate advice. I know the advice the man in the street woukd give them. We have to get this Labour lot out, then get out of Europe.
Far from putting a stop to the outrage of having to house, clothe, feed, breed the hordes of foreign criminals and freeloaders who are here and arriving here daily, the EU is now proposing (and will do, as they are the bosses) to "share" out the zillions of 'refugees' from the Third World (who are rather inconveniently still in 'their' countries) with us -- after all, it's only fair isn't it. We've still got a bit of standing room here. GET US OUT OF THE EU!!! LIKE NOW!! Cameron, note! You've got one chance and one only!
Good luck to them,any crook from abroad who wants to cheat the British system get over here as quick as you can,its so easy for you,do a bit of thieving,if you get caught they will probably give you benefits until your case comes to court,if it ever does,and you will almost certainly only just get a telling off,its a piece of cake.the police hardly ever prosecute fraudsters,Westminster has turned the UK into a gangsters paradise,large and small.
Yet more foreign criminals 'based' in Britain. We must be the softest, daftest, most gullible nation on God's earth. Why the hell can everyone else see the truth of open-border policy but the government cannot?
While our lads are giving their lives to fight terrorists overseas this bunch of idiots known as our government are letting criminals, just another form of terrorist, into this once decent country.
Ah the joys of being forced to have this scum living in our midst because our politicans haven't got the foresight or spine to retreat from EU membership. We entered for trade reasons and remain for, God only knows what reasons; the benefits are miniscule compared to the burden, not only financially but culturally and socially. We must get out of the EU and reclaim our right to cast out the increasing career criminals descending from Eastern Europe.
Cassandra, Nottingham The EU enlargement and the prospective EU membership of Turkey is one of the main foreign policy goals of the United States of America. Americans want Turkey on their side and they want Turkey inside the EU. The main advocates od neo-liberal capitalism and the main supporters od NATO are in eastern Europe. The ex-communist states have a socio-economic policy which is almost idential to that of USA and UK. This is why they are supported by Britain and the US. The mere fact that these countries were allowed to enter the EU is a price we had pay to keep the Yanks happy. And this is why Turkey will be allowed to enter, despite the pressure from Germany and France. Britain, unsurprisingly is one of the main supporters of the Turkish membership. The more countries that are in the EU, the weaker the central Franco-German alliance within it.
!"There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!" 1)there is a ban in most of the european countries.You,british,wanted to earn a quick buck on cheap labour and lifted the ban,so dont complain now 2)turkey won't join EU ever,cause its not even in Europe. 3)before you cry "we want out" dont forget that there are around 4 mlns of british emigrants living on the continent.
Are we 'trying' to import foreign mafia's??? Criminal enterprise should be a good reason to eject foreign criminals. Surely, it's a no brainer...........break the law.........off you go.
"close all borders NOW!!! - Fran ex pat, The Netherlands Ede, 14/9/2009 10:27" Lets start from you,our french parasite in Wageningen
I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.
I am surprized to see some of the comments like : "close the borders"; "london will end like Beruit"; "these countries have lived in poverty for generations" ..... The answer does not lie in the above mentioned. The point is that there was a loop hole in the barclays system as well as the legal system which allowed these criminal to move bail. These are the only two points which need to be addressed. The EU is there to stay and is part of a much broader picture - obviously incomprehensible by the readers making the above comments! A lot of people forget that when native Britons go abroad, some of them too have been known to be "thugs .... (footbal thugs for example) ..... murderers ..... thieves ... etc.... You get bad apples in every country and every walk of life and then there are white collar crimes also - for what makes them more acceptable than these crimes? We have our own share of bad apples amongst the native as well as settled migrants who call UK their "home"
Will they get deported? I guess not
thank you mr politician you have heaped the dregs of europe onto our country and now you are scared to do anything about we are on the very short road to civil war here as people are sick of it.
Welcome to the new 21 century England.
Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats.
When will this dim-witted, flat-headed, self-serving, incompetent shower of a Government claw itself for a moment out of the stinking morass of its own rank ineptitude to realise its short-sighted, hare-brained, amateurish excuse of an immigration policy has dragged this once-fine country down to the scum-laden gutter?
More "benefits" of forced immigration.
I hope to God that Turkey is not next, it's peaceful here with little criminal activity of this sort. Keep us out, PLEASE!!!
On bail, others released - you wont see them for dust. They ALL should have been locked up until their court case and then deported back to the place of their birth and be done with it.
Well done to Nu-labour for destroying our once great nation by allowing scum from all over the world to reside in the UK , I know where my vote will go and it's not the three main parties.
Another own-goal by our open-door policy... At least they are wandering off abroad to nick the dosh, shows theat tthey KNOW there is nothing left nicking in Britain, thanks to our excellent politicians (current and "retired") who have nicked it all for themselves.
You ain't seen nothing yet, wait until Turkey is allowed to join the EU and then you will see trouble in our streets. You have done a wonderful job of protecting other countries NuLabour while allowing the UK to go down the pan with the amount of crap you have allowed to pour in and to all you do gooders and PC loonie Lefties, let see how happy you are about human rights for all when your bank account is hacked.
After having Barclays phone me every weekend at 9am over money Barclay's stole out of my account all I can say, is it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bank.
Stupid New Labour, stupid big business encouraging New Labours immigration policy. At the end of the day the tax payer always picks up the bill. When is the British government going to represent British people? These clowns and their vote rigging election policies need to be gone. Sorry to say it but we need a Britain for the British government or we will have the BNP rising and rising!
No doubt they used their unlimited cash credit cards to come up with the bail money
Wonder how they managed to get through nu-labours "Tough new points system", this is just another example of the fine upstanding people labour are allowing to flood our streets. Please remember this in may next year when that clown woolas tells us all how labour have got immigration under control.
I agree with cassandra, nottingham, the end of the Soviet Union was a bad day for the west, the worst since WW2.
Cassandra Nottingham You alluded to the forthcoming rubber stamp job of allowing Turkey to join EU. Turkey has land borders of 269 km with Bulgaria, 203 km with Greece, 276 km with Georgia, 325 km with Armenia, 18 km with Azerbaijan (Nahjivan), 529 km. with Iran, 378 km with Iraq and 877 km with Syria. And each one of the borders can be walked across with a suitcase. So let in Turkey and you let in the world.
Get out of the EU. Close our borders and stop these criminals from debasing our society. Further stop paying benefits to all migrants.
They should be locked up and the key thrown away, but no they are released on bail, beggars belief how this country is being fleeced by foreigners to our shores. We should be pulling up the drawbridge and throwing out anyone that has broken our laws.
I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good old EU...the best thing that ever happened to us....NOT !
Are these some the people that make the valuable contribution to this country that we keep hearing about? - without doubt this government have damaged us beyond repair!
yet another crime committed by immigrants living in Britain. When will we ever learn. We have enough of our own underclasses without welcoming in those of our European Neighbours. Out of the EU now and close our borders. Revolution required.
Fran the ex-pat; Have you booked your ticket home??? Hypocrite!!
If you read the article properly you will see that they have ALL been released, because the 4 ringleaders were bailed!!!! This beggars belief, and was probably done in the sure and certain knowledge that they would all scarper back here, saving the French shed loads of money and effort in prosecuting them! How did we allow this once orderly and law abiding country to become a haven for the gangs and criminals of the world? Sorry to be un-PC, but most of the crimes we hear about, including inner city knife crimes and muggings ARE carried out by those who did not originate here!!!!! What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged. These countries have lived in poverty for generations, obviously they will head to places where the living and pickings are easy! There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!
They've been allowed 'out on bail' !!!! Do you really think they are going to hang around - nope they'll head right back to good old UK where they'll be safe with the rest of the criminals allowed in - close our borders now and shut/block the tunnel we have enough of our own scum without the rest of the EU's
Proves how disasterous the open borders policy from the EU is. Britain should refuse re-entry of these criminals back to our country. This is one of the reasons why the dregs of the world flock to the UK. Once they are here, they become untouchable by the law. They can do what they like.
No doubt they were shipped back across the channel on the first ferry available where they were no doubt met with tea, toast and train fare home!!!!!
I feel so proud that our ancient capital city is home to a substantial community of Slovakian criminals. We used to have our own small criminal class, that was easily policed. Now we have the dregs of the world setting up "communities". generally in subsidized housing & with their human rights protected at our expense. Unless we have a massive change of direction & soon, London will end up like Beirut.
close all borders NOW!!!
'armed police made 24 arrests...' why does the media refer to 'armed police' as if to give some dramatic edge to a story. In most normal coutries the police are armed as a matter of course, so this is no big deal, indeed most foreigners cannot believe that the police can or ar prepared to do their job here without a sidearm to protect themselves or the public.
Well thats a surprise, all have been bailed and released into to community, where they will vanish, never to be seen again. Until next time we are lucky enough to catch them at it. (or the French) Then what? Thats right, back to the start of comment.
And I suppose they have all returned to London with their ill- gotten gains without any check at our borders, ready to plan their next scam. OUT of the EU now, and seal our borders tight.
thank you tony blair and gordon brown well done......just more eastern european crime for france and the uk to deal with..........
Quantitative easing Slovakian style.
it is not difficult to bypass the security to access unlimited withdrawals from a Bank Card, but you do need an 'insider' to make the necessary changes to the accounts in question to allow unlimited withdrawals, the euphemism used here a "computer bug" is a term frequently used by Banks as a catch all for an 'inside job' the truth is bank and credit card fraud has never been higher, particularly internet related activities, if the Banks were to come clean over the billions they lose each year through fraudulent activities we would stop trusting them and they would soon go out of business, so we are always told these are 'isolated incidents' and 'computer bugs' the losses are insured anyway so the banks can afford to keep it quiet.
Can't see any reason why not! These people arrive here fully aware "IF" caught nothing much will happen to them. The same excuses will be used, we come from a country where we have had harsh treatment and for a better life or it's not our fault our mothers didn't breast feed us. Guess what ? The do-gooders stand for it and more and more criminals follow making lawyers very wealthy and the public here unhappy and living in despair. Ever thought it's been done on purposed.
Lets hope the French send them back to Slovakia.
Britain the dumping ground for the worlds criminals, thanks to the Labour government and corrupt EU.
Welcome to the European Union Dream. If this scam had happened in the UK no doubt the fraudsters would have been released on "insufficient evidence" from the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Lets hope they all get deported.Very nice what this open door policy has done for our Countries. This is what these people do best.
what do you expect these people from other countries think the streets are paved with gold and when they find out they are not then they help themselves to what everyone else has worked for,I hope the french send them back to thier own country , there is not enoungh houses and jobs anymore for our own people wake up britain and france don't let them in unless they have money to support themselves.
I really do hope the french authorities come down really heavily on these people and make a lasting example of them. A clear message this behaviour will not be tolerated. If this crime had occurred in the UK, our craven legal system would have probably given them a community service order!
Why can we not ban all suuch foreign criminals from entering our country? Would it harm their EC inspired Human Rights?
Unwitting accomplices ? the poor things must feel proper foolish now !!! Any way ...Foreign criminal gangs operating from the UK. ...what a surprise. Will these people be deported from England , when they of course come back to Blighty.
"The London based East European gang" just about says it all, NuLabours one great achievement, Britain crime magnet to the world.
i trust that those persons arrested are deemed as unsuitable to be in the UK and are imprisoned in France and then sent back to Slovakia, im not holding my breath !! more scum in my country .
This caused problems for ordinary travelers. I went to pay my hotel bill that morning in Calais with my M&S card. The process was 'abandon,' I informed the receptionist that my wife also had a card, thinking that mine had been damaged and that she would pay the bill. Unfortunately her card was also 'abandon,' Luckily, I had my Barclay card with me that went through with no problem.Upon reaching home I telephoned M&S to report that our cards had been rejected. I was informed that our cards were perfectly alright and that the two transactions at the hotel had been accepted, this now means that I have paid one bill three times. M&S say that I have got to contact them again on Tuesday, ( tomorrow ) so that they can sort it out. Hopefully they will have read your article and will cancel out the two charges.
This is the scum we are letting in to the UK and we must get out of the EU now. If anyone can give one good reason for staying in I'll give ten for leaving. The cost for remaining a member is both financially and constitutionally ludicrously high.
They will probably be sent back to London where they will be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again! The french should deport them back to their own country and they should not be allowed to set foot in Britain again. ( I wish)
"unwitting accomplices" How can they be unwitting, if they drew money from a bank account they must have known that it was a scam. Or why did they travel to France in the first place. I see the French Police have released them on bail, do they honestly think these people will come back? Yet another scam run by people this country let in because of the EU's rules. If we were not members of this nasty club we could control the scum that are arriving daily.
I expect the french will blame the british for this.
A security bug? How convenient for the criminals - coincidence, or an inside job?
This country has enough scumbags of its own. Close our borders NOW!
Poor old Barclays. All those decades of cash dispensers and still there is a 'bug' in their system. Someone in IT will be looking for another job soon, especially if the 'bug' was an inside job, as seems very likely. At least the crooks had the good sense to withdraw Euros! I wonder what Barclays will do to the people whose cards were used, presumably on accounts with zero or negative balances. Do they even know where they live? Or who they are?
Un-controlled immigration, un-controlled crime, un-controlled criminals. Lets get rid of this Government and control our borders.
Dimwit politicians are to blame
I see the banks are starting to realise that cutting back on computer security personnel was perhaps not the brightest idea, after all. Last week, I learned how low a regard banks had for people who have the skills to keep their entire infrastructure working: When my fiancee and I opened a joint bank account at Deutsche Bank, the teller needed to put my occupation into the computer system. The killer detail? They had no category for IT workers of any description!
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays.
kick them out ... like us all we live in home and pay taxes !!!! if they want to live in streets then they are welcome to go to where they come from , here it's NOT the way we live !!!! weak gouvernment .................
They're not daft. If they wait there long enough they'll be housed. I'm sure most countries would bundle them in the back of a car and MAKE SURE they were on the plane back. It's so sad we have to show such little compassion to our fellow human beings however these memorials are of huge importance to us Brits and don't want them desecrated. These people are a nuisance. They were begging at the Notre Dame in Paris when I was there. You have to watch your bags and pockets. I don't know anyone that would give a penny to them. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse. May I just add, the huge majority of Polish people who reside here work like dogs, are hugely bright and well spoken and are a credit to their home nation. Don't tar all Eastern Europeans with the same brush.
This is bloody disrespectful and it offends me. Its about time the Uk maned up and told these people to bugger off,. If they have no money or no where to live and no job then they dont come here. I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Lol at people blaming the Tories, this is labours doing if you remember rightly !
one way ticket
Enough is enough our small island can't take anymore, we are stretched to the limits, the NHS, schools, housing and employment. We are a laughing stock it must stop now!!!!
Instead of the DM constantly stirring this pot - and other similar pots - why doesn't it actually DO something about it. Start a campaign, hassle MPs whatever. Or would that be too much to expect?
If you say you don't want them here you're racist and if you try and send them back there's do-gooders who'll jump up and down shouting and fund legal support that'll drag on for years and cost this country a fortune.......while our own less well off are struggling to make ends meet.
All the people say give them a home.How about you let them live with you and you can pay for them if your so soft hearted and thats the problem sorted.Hmmm the silence would indicate a big no.Hypocrites
this makes me proud to be british..........
No other country would put up with this!
They are waiting for benefits and housing.
Poor Matthias. Imagine what life these people had back home that makes sleeping rough seem like a good alternative.
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus. - Ron, Birmingham, 6/9/2013 13:42 --------- Homeless people do not get benefits, due to them not having any fixed address.
A government with no backbone = A country left to self destruction. They just don't get it. The British people are sick and tired of our country being used as the dumping ground for the rest of the world. We are the ONLY EU country that tolerates anything and everything.
GO HOME!!!!
Easy touch England. Nothing Great in Great Britain anymore. So sad.
It's too late to moan about it, they're here. The more educated have been warning about this for years and yet the British electorate kept voting in the same old way. And guess what, there are a load more coming soon. If you don't like it, vote for one of the parties who will stop it, otherwise stop grumbling like a bunch of old women. There are people out there that could stop this, either join them, or live with it. Because quite frankly just bleating on about it, with solve nothing.
Instead of wasting money on imperialistic buildings, that should be spent on housing. Govt wrong again...build affordable housing. Especially in parks of london.....result would be few homeless and reduced house prices!!!!
errr if I dropped a sweet wrapper I might face a hefty fine....
"immigrants were offered free flights back to their home country" I'm sorry but there is no choice in this....force them on a plane and be done with it! If you're here illeaglly you should be chucked out!
One word is all that is needed - - UKIP !
Clean this country up Mr Cameron and get rid of all the rubbish.
Disgusting. They shouldn't be given a choice. Just send them home
Only a matter of time before they are sleeping on the back Benche's at the House of Commons ! Chortle Chortle Chortle
there's me thinking that they come here get a load of benefits straight away and a nice council house. strange way to live if that's true
If they are so obviously sleeping and living in these spots, then where are the immigration department? Why have they not swooped in whilst they were sleeping and taken them to a holding area and sent back to their own country with a red arrow on every computer system that will stop them from returning. It's hardly rocket science and yet immigration seem unable to comprehend even the simplest of actions.
why do we not charge them (there are many statutes that can be used if the authorities had the guts), get them convicted in all-night sittings in magistrates courts, put them all on a bus, take them across the channel and drop them off? Oh and take their full details AND fingerprint them so that if they are caught again or try and get in the Border Agency will be able to deal with them - which they cannot at the moment!! Any clothing left lying about is an offence under the litter acts - so pick it all up and burn it - no ifs or buts! The well funded pity-me industry will no doubt use the HRA to try and stop it - but since we are not doing anything other than giving them a free trip back to france - tell me what is inhuman about that! PS Fully agree with most of the above too!
Welcome to cameroons uk.He does nothing about it ,but wants to attack Syria,putin is on the mark,nobody but immigramnts is bothered about Britain.
I watch from afar and I shiver !...............
What an awful mess this country is in.
edward heath started this when he RAMMED the uk into the common market (EU) tony and gordon made things worse dave WILL NOT TACKLE THE PROBLEM only U K I P will vote how you will but think of your children and granchildren
UKIPS not the answer..can they gaurantee they will stop imigration,read their manifesto first.
"Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house,- Dave , Alicante Spain" - Er this is why the bedroom tax was introduced and why our young people are no longer being given social housing, so the Lib-Lab-Con can give the housing to them!
pick them up and send them back to where they came from. Don't give them a chance to shout HUMAN RIGHTS. This country is going down the pan fast.
ship 'em back
The various local fire services need extra training exercises and should conduct them at those sites which are in danger of damage from careless fires started inadvertantly by unauthorised occupants. Thus, the fire services should 'damp down' these sites, preferably at dusk and dawn, to minimise the risk of fires breaking out.
Where is the compassion?? These people are homeless , they sleep on the streets. How is that OK in any circumstance. You wouldn't let your dog sleep out in the street so why is it OK for these people??
Time to send in the forty per cent of police not investigating crimes, to round them up and ship them out!
Ian, London. its not only the middle class who work. not everyone working class have 10 children and do not work. ignorant
I'm hoping for a harsh winter
Why don't they go home the UK is a third world country now,they are better of back home.
You should not get access to this country if you don't have a job to go to, or a job that can support you.. go home !!!!
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion. Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:22 ++++++Excuse me but I USED to have compassion but enough is enough and I have been driven to this by seeing my own nation being ground down. And Nadya I bet there are thousands and thousands who have had to go down the same route,
Nadya, Canvey Island. If you feel so sorry for them, let them into your garden and clear up the said mess the next day..It is one thing to have nowhere to sleep but another to leave litter and disrepect behind .
@Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom I guess from your name you're also from this neck of the woods otherwise you wouldn't have such a big heart? The UK, or any other country, is not a dumping ground for people without the means to support themselves or
get them arrested and deported...forget human rights and the EUSSR, simple.
Xenophobe much? no? what would you call this?
Get them ALL on a boat and back across the channel NOW but sadly they won't prob. get a house soon !!!!!
I would like to officially thanks Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for everything they did for this country.
Chuck them all out, we have no room. They are NOT adding anything to the country, they are taking it away.
The only people let in should be tourists, business visitors, those visiting family and those who are relocating to work. We have a major problem in housing our own homeless without importing them.
No good deed goes unpunished!
Where are all the human rights crowd who I thought they would be helping these people and maybe clearing up the mess they make. No to busy talking about it rather than becoming involved with the dirty end of the stick, whilst nice and warm in their nice house's. It is their fault we are in such a state in the UK.
Isn't the E.U. wonderful. Much more Europe please.
My wife is Bangladeshi and she studied and worked 5 years in London. At the end she returned to Bangladesh because the Cameron government made it almost impossible for educated and hard working tax paying non-European (!) people to stay and work in the UK (my wife NEVER asked for benefits). But at the same government welcomes lazy drug using rubbish from Eastern Europe to disturb the common people, spoil the system and plunder the UK. Good luck UK!
Asylum, Immigration...........where we were once so tolerantnd welcoming now we are just plain p'd off and exploited! Vote UKIP and stop the insanity destroying our country!
Ms May has been too busy targeting and destroying the family lives of respectable hard working tax paying British citizens and families with a non EEA spouse by denying them a UK visa. Which she doesn't do with EEA nationals. If Ms May got her priorities right and tackled the real immigration problems this would not happen!
If they are immigrants without jobs or homes then the best thing is to send them back to their own countries. Aid money we spend abroad should be diverted to this, also deporting illegal immigrants. However, the issue of rough sleepers in London is a difficult one. I used to work in a gallery on the Bankside a few years ago and we used to find rough sleepers outside the front doors in the morning. The front of house manager was very kind and used to give them coffee and biscuits, but he would also tell them they had to pack up and leave. At that point most galleries were charging entrance fees, so we would have had no visitors and would have lost about 10k in vital revenue. Telling people to go made us feel awful though.
And that's why I moved to Australia!- Shaz , New Zealand, 06/9/2013 13:17 --------- don't you mean New Zealand?
just please vote UKIP! ...all three other parties,& they really do not care! Calcined Bauxite ,13:22------ Agree with most of your comment EXCEPT for the Ukip bit. Do you think they are any better than this lot? They are politicians after all. Next time you see the UKip candidate - ask how long it will take to come out of the EU (for which I am 100% in favour). They will NOT mention about "SEVEN YEARS"!!
just tourist coming to see the royals.
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!! - Bob, Redditch Bangkok, 6/9/2013 11:30------------------------------------------hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!! my word, how EMBARRASSING!!!i'm cringing for you!
And immigration is still classed as good for the economy.How can it be good,when we have this problem
What the heck! Kick them back to where they came from - sod PC.
Captain Steve- arrest them and then what? Put them in our warm jails where they are fed and watered with our tax payers money?
put them on a bus to Tony Blair's house or any of the old Libour cabinet, this is what they all planed. Not Fit to govern, ever. Come on down UKIP
How about a reminder that basically, what these people are is POOR??? Nobody sleeps on the streets because they choose to! Does it disturb you to see poverty when you have your latte macchiato in the morning? Is it ruining your mood? Sure, it's better to see pretty flowers then hungry homeless people. And on top of everything, they are not even British! I mean, we could somehow tolerate the poor if they are British. But foreign poverty? That is really not acceptable. What if you would lose all your material possessions tomorrow and people would be disgusted at you because you sleep on the street, what would you do? Run after them and say, no, don't hate me, I am British not eastern European?
Any immigrant with no job, place to stay or enough money to support themselves should be turned around at point of entry and deported. We have enough benefit scroungers that would rather live on benefits than work,
Blame the bankers
Why do we struggle in stopping these people from coming here..we live on an island!!!
Good grief! its publicised and nothing is done. Get them out!
Just move in some armed guards and dogs and that should do the trick.
Thank the politicians and the Human Rights Bill for the mess this country is in. Have you noticed that it never affects the people who have created the mess.
so take and incinerate any 'rubbish' they find hidden in bushes and at night get the pressure hoses out to 'water' the gardens.
Get rid - problem solved. Vote UKIP.
Meanwhile Cameron is in Russia telling everyone what a wonderful country Britain is.
Well it's only set to get worse. But don't worry according to our politicians we need them, what for I do not know but they are good for industry apparently.
It's time to close the doors to our once great nation!
My beautiful country as I knew it is no longer we fought off the Germans in the last world war so we could live in peace only to be let down by our own successive governments my god my for fathers would be turning over in there graves if they were able to witness the fiasco in theses troubled times and those that sacrificed there lives would be wondering what on earth for.?
And Cameron's more worried about what's happening in other countries than his own...Tories OUT!
Shouldn't there be a export trade in this to the Eastern European nations whose property they are.
Third World UK and being sold out by every greedy politician with their hands in the till.
Surely it is against human rights to take their crack pipe of them Tut Tut
Roll on winter.
so many gave there lives for this country if only they could see it now, they would think why did I bother.
IF they dont accept the free ticket home from the UK taxpayers.... send em to russia to sleep on the streets..
Why do we tolerate this? - Angered , Manchester, 06/9/2013 13:17---------- Because we are fooled into thinking we live in a democracy...but we dont...
If this is what happens when it is illegal for them to stay, what does anyone think will happen when we can't keep them out?
The idea that people can move freely around the EU is a good one, but I'm sure it was meant to benefit the countries involved, not end up leaving them being a dumping ground for all sorts of people. My friend in China, who could, given the opportunity teach Chinese, or even maths in England, will have to jump through so many hoops to be able to remain here. The criteria to be allowed to stay in this country should apply to everyone from whatever country they come from. That way we can control who enters
I've stayed a while in the uk for my studies... it deeply saddens me to see such foreigners misbehaving on, well, foreign turf. It's a great country if not for all these trash!
SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE! ..... - nr , wigan, 06/9/2013 13:23............In case you hadn't noticed, the rot started when Dave was still in short pants.
THANKYOU TONY BLAIR
Tony and Cherie Blair have lots of open spaces in their various properties, try camping out there. But on a serious note, this is the changing face of Britain, instigated by Labour and the Europhiles, nothing will change for the better until we ditch the corrupt EU and it's unelected stooges along with those MPs who would take us into a FEDERAL EUROPE.
Dave - you must get your priorities right and get things sorted at home.. These rumblings of discontent are getting louder by the minute.
if the law of this country dont do nothing about it, then dont moan about it, after all we let them in to run riot so only one person to blame, these foke have no money no job no home, WHY ARE THEY HERE
The answer to all this is simple ,give us our referendum on our continued membership of the EU now,be,fore we are completely taken over For once Cameron listen to the people instead of surrendering us to Europe.
Beautiful London is now the pits.
we have got the same in France.....
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 12:55 They probably were the Westminster Council litter people. It has all been privatised and they now impose fines for littering, so they have got us both ways, no where to place litter, no one to clear up and we then get fined!
CAMERON you gutless muppet. Kick them out
Cleaning up used condoms and human excrement - just about says it all. How much lower can this Country sink ?
I, along with everyone else, am fed up with immigrants but, I get angry when Brits keep blaming Cameron for what's happening! It was Blair that originally opened the flood gates so that he would get the votes and, it was Brown, who then sold us out by signing the EU treaty. I agree that we need to cut the amount of money sent in foreign aid but, in this country, Cameron can do nothing at the moment, and frankly, UKIP if they ever get in, may try and halt future immigration but, I can't see them being able to change the damage already done by Labour, either! Just remember at the next election that votes for UKIP may make you feel better but, I seriously don't think they would get the leadership and, you will just be strengthening Labour's hand again!!
I blame Blair and Brown - they started this process. In the history of or geat counrty, have any other two individuals done more damage?!
Send them home, whatever the consequences. Immigrants like them cannot contribute to our society!!
Send them back to the EUROPEAN country that they came from, no human rights issues, no wars going on therefore no reason to put up with them !!
Water cannon should clear the detritus, try it!
The Gov has to get real and close, or get control, of the UK borders. The police should go in and round them up and then we should depot them. They are bringing nothing to the UK.
at least without an address they cant claim benefits - Ian Edwards, nottingham, United Kingdom, 06/09/2013 12:23 Lovely to see your readers are as compassionate as ever! These people aren't using heroin (unlike the 'usual' residents) aren't causing aggro and are just trying to better themselves - unlike a lot of 'natives' Why not look on the bright side, Mr Edwards - at least they're using condoms, so there won't be many damned single mothers or child benefit claimants... Oh I forgot, we already have millions of those!
THEY SHOULD GO TO CARLTON TERRACE AND SET UP CAMP ON ALL BLAIRS OTHER PROPERTIES, TO SEE WHAT HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY HOPING HIS DREAM OF BEING PRESIDENT OF EUROPE WOULD BE HIS PRIZE.
This is disgusting. Take them to their embassy and get them to sort out their own people.
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes. - Johnny260 , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:19------------------------------------------------------------------- What a load of tosh name one country a British person can walk into and be given a free home, why dont you take some into your house as you are so generous.
THANK YOU LABOUR ANYONE MOANING JUST REMEMBER WHO CAUSED THIS AND VOTE UKIP
They'll be joined by plenty of homeless Brits in the coming months. Thanks, IDS!
Get them out now. Lets stop this now because we will start having to look at dodgy ugly shanty towns.
Disgusting blight on all of our lives, to be honest I'm struggling to think of what they can contribute to our economy.....nope still nothing. No job with paid contributions, no home, no English = no room here I'm afraid. At the end of the day this is costing us tax payers money cleaning up the mess they leave and having to send the police in to move them on frankly I'd rather public monies are directed to a more positive use.
Because, like many people who come to this country, they don't care about our way of life, our traditions, our history, or what we hold dear. They just want money, money, money and we give, give, give!
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to **************. strangely enough you do, but for some reason Britain don't follow their own rules ???
taking the place of british vagrants who will not doss down there? well done tony gordon and dave look what you have not done
tHIS IS A RESULT OF VOTING LABOUR FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEN HOME
I would love to see them pitch up at the Blairs residence and leave their filth for them to rot in!!
welcome to dog-hole britain........
Have you seen that programme ,,, the UK BORDER AGENCY ......it makes me laugh , its the best comedy ever written......and their staff are the best comedians ever produced,
I know the police are raiding and moving them on quickly - but they are only moving them onto another spot, so it's just a vicious circle. If they have no home, they can't get a job, if they can't get a job they have no money, if they have no money they turn to crime to survive.
If this is your definition of Eastern-Europeans, I suppose the Brits are all loud, uneducated, disrespectful, misbehaving, drunken lager-louts who happily throw their hotel furniture out of their window - as we see them here, in Eastern Europe.
'If they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to, some guys get angry.' ============================== They get angry if you move their sleeping bags ? ! What do they think this is - claim staking Klondike or what ?
Maybe Dave can stick it right up Putin and show these pictures as an example of current British success and why he should be taken seriously.
Labour's new voter base.
A disgrace. That people are sleeping rough irrespective of where they choose to sleep
Kick them all out and deal with EU reaction Later. It will be years of talk or hot air.
This is the European Union for you!!! Or once great Country!!!!! Patricia, Romsey
Get them out!
Catch them. Deport them. No appeals No Lawyers. No problem.
Why can't they be left alone?! - Tandoori Nights , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:17 ............... So you wouldn't mind getting up one morning to find them camped in your front garden, then, complete with detritus and human waste?
Hopefully they'll all disappear off home come autumn when it starts raining constantly and turns really cold. Not sure they're going to be happy sleeping in a soaking wet sleeping bag. No doubt they'll become ill and then will be using up NHS resources.....
I've just returned from the clean, optimistic, city of Chicago. I'm ashamed of this dumping ground that is the UK. UKIP is the only answer to our burgeoning problems.
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain? - BayouLimey , Baton Rouge, United States, 06/9/2013 13:18 Because we're part of the EU! If were independent like the USA we could refuse them entry!
Send your thanks to people to continually vote LibLabCON and fail to understand the word 'democracy'.
If they have nowhere to stay - pass a law or do whatever is necessary to order them to go back whence they came, finger printing them when they came to the UK would have helped but I understand this isn't being done- why?
Yet again another reason not to vote for Cameron. UKIP is our last and only hope. Cameron will promise to act but every promise he made has been broken.
Bloody well kick them out. What is wrong with us. We're a "little island" quote, unquote. Leave whatever political groups we are in as a nation that says we have to "cow Tao" and start again before its too late.
The coat on the hook is cute.
At around eight o'clock the group packed up their sleeping bags and blankets and stashed them in bushes that lie directly in front of the museum............................if they stash their sleeping bags and blankets during the day why not just burn them........
Blair's Britain...!! The free dustbin of the world at tax payers expense!
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus.
You can thank ALL the left wing hand wringers for this mess, if this is what social cohesion and tolerance is all about, then I want none of it............UKIP your time is NOW!
Why are they letting in people with no jobs, money or accommodation? Can you imagine going to America like this - you would never ever be allowed in.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:55 - KEN YOU'RE COMMENT MADE MY DAY, I LAUGHED, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
They look rather clean and tidy to me.....DM can't help winding up its readers who by chance fall for this BS every time...well the gullible ones do.....
Chill, they'll leave soon, as soon as their nice new council houses have been refurbished and the benefits they've claimed start pouring in they'll be out of the way.
Round em up and stick them on the ferry
Next it will be Buckingham Palace,
Referendum on the EU rather than scrabbling to send bombs into Syria David Cameron???
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all. Thank you TW London Good to show we are all in this together you really make me want to stay in the United Kingdom...FREEDOM....
Wow! Well for all of you in your cosy little lives not being forced to seek better circumstances. All they need now is for for shallow selfish people to mock them and claim the ground they sleep on. I find this incredibly sad. I doubt any will say they chose to end up like this!
They can't even build up or improve their 'own' country - what use are they to ours?.
If they are out of work with no where to go, how did they end up in Britain???? Go home!
Kick them out.
How is this allowed??
Reduce the numbers in both Houses of Parliament and double our Border Control staff
Isn't it about time we had the bottle to sent them back where they came from if they cant support themselves, we don't here of Brits doing this in their country
Eagle eyes, London 13.08 Yes, you would think Cameron would use common sense and do that, yet he must abide by EU Dictatorship rules of allowing free entry into UK to ALL from other EU countries. The only time we can get rid of any of them is if they are wanted under an arrest warrant, then they can be deported. Otherwise they can remain here for ever, but Cameron will not be telling the public that.. UKIP ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL END THIS MADNESS AND TAKE BACK CONTROL.
And they said it wouldn't happen. Never mind, our Liberal coalition partners must have a plan in place. That's why we voted them in.
Doubt they would stick around if the police moved in and had the Fire Brigade hose them down regularly. If they cry, 'Human Rights', escort them to the airport or docks and ship them out.
The people are slowly waking up ! even in America they are questioning their leaders . I am too old now to make a physical stand ( did that in the 1960's ) so I am now bombarding my MP and the Government with e mails . Even if they don't read them in person, we know a big doughnut in Cheltenham that will be reading them , SHUT our BORDERS once and for all , we can look after our own country thank you very much , we do not need 500,000 immigrants every year , we have many young people to do the work . AND MR CAMERON , if they will not work , then they should starve . THERE never was and never will be a free lunch !
SHUT THE DAMN DOOR! is this what b-LIAR meant by immigrants benefitting our country, it seams that immigrants are the only ones who 'benefit' from this disgusting dumping ground the eu and it's rules and our duplicitous government have turned OUR country into. France threw these people out if only we had some patriotic adults in government we could do the same. VOTE UKIP.
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron? ----- Marg, Melbourne, 6/9/2013 12:49 ----------------Cameron may not have done a lot to correct it but it was Blair and Brown who deliberately messed up by "rubbing the right wing's nose in it " -their words.
Only the Daily Mail could care more about a monument than the fact that people are homeless.
If we stopped giving unwarranted and thankless financial aid to countries like India/Pakistan to nurture their space programs we would be in a better financial situation to just round up this scum and send them packing PRONTO.
This country lets anybody in, come on over lads - Britain is an open house.
I went on a Chiltern train from Birmingham to London 2 weeks ago with my sister who is nearly eighty and visiting me from Australia, the train was full of people speaking their own language and lots of small children taking up many seats as we stood There was food all over the tables and floor and I felt embarrassed that a train that in the passed was a delight to go on was like a third world transport My sister was horrified and did not feel well after such an unpleasant journey and was pleased to be traveling back to Australia
its now that europe could/should work - if we stand fast with france and germany we would have so much more weight in the world - the 3 countries make an economic superpower and britian-france makes a military superpower - yes i know, red arrows, cos you don't like forigners !
Go home. We have no homes for you, no jobs for you, no place for you...we do not want you. Go home....sorry if that sounds too 'right wing' for some, but time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're a busted flush for those already here: total national debt, current and expected, matching that of the Weimar Republic. We're on borrowed time with our NHS, welfare and pensions. There IS no room at the inn. When the proverbial does hit the fan - and it will in the not too distant future, with debt projected to double within five years - we're all done for, both the drivers and the passengers. Sorry, but open arms are a luxury we can no longer afford. The gates are closed, the doors bolted: find another mug. We've been haemorrhaging money for almost a hundred years through this misguided notion of the 'welfare state' - it's bad enough being bled by our own: you will bleed us no more. Go. Home.
Damned if you help them guilty if you don't.
Does any politican care about this country and the people that pay their salaries and tax. This should be top priority clear them out never mind their human rights, anyone with any decency would do this to monuments and the like. Needs to be sorted as soon as they arrive no good six months down the line when they are fully settled in.
Terrible. They should be housed in a taxpayer funded house for the time being...
If you want to stop this then get out and vote in 2015. Dave and his dog will never grow a pair and will continue to let anyone in.
Employ men to patrol parks and turf this riff-raff out as soon as they settle down. If this type of behaviour is allowed to continue, things are going to get very ugly in the near future. The British are a patient people, but they will only put up with so much. That "so much" is very close now.
How is it right that a country cannot prevent vagrants, beggars and the mentally deranged from entering our nation to ruin it? Oh, it's called the EU. Ofcourse Romania and Bulgaria want to join, it's a win win situation for them and lose lose for us. As usual! Sick to the back teeth of it.
Ruins everything that Britain once stood for... but that's alright Cameron, you just deal with Syria... Because that's OUR! biggest problem at the moment... Oh wait.
dont worry esstern europeans just try get use to the weather not long left until you can stay forever! and u ll be staying at richest areas in london meanwhile im buying my parents a property in another country
Why are our politicians so gutless?if there isn't a law against vagrancy,stop dithering and damn well pass one
They must be better off in their own country than here living like that!
Reason 8 billion to vote ukip
Okay so there is dog poo, used condoms and a crack pipe found in a Public space. How is this tied to Eastern Europeans, I don't get it ? Are we saying they all brought their dogs with them and get enough money off the social to but crack with ?
Your comments:no worries, they gonna be there only for 3 months after that they entitled to start claiming benefits :-)
Outrageous - deport them all!
After the vote against military action in Syria our leading political leaders said the UK must consider its position as a WORLD POWER. Yet we can't even control these immigrant vagrants. But our Parliament could rush through the gay marriage bill. Nothing like getting your priorities right is there Dave?
These people who comment about DM readers not being compassionate. Well just remember we DM readers are part of the majority of Middle Class England who have to pay for this mess. Not you. And also remember if the majority think this way then maybe you could be wrong in your views. Easy to be an idealist goody goody 2 shoes isn't it. I mean I would like everyone to have money and nice houses etc. and no starvation or wars in the world but it's never going to happen is it and people like you are part of the reason it won't.
round 'em up and ship 'em out
Won't affect the politicians who live behind their iron gates and travel in their chauffeur driven cars! Sorry guys. you will just have to put up with it!
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership!, things will only get worse till we get OUT!.
It's long past time to ask: WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO YOUR SPINE, BRITAIN?
How come they are allowed in the country without a job, accomadation sorted, and money. Oh and isn't it wonderful this open border system. They are flooding in their droves from Britain for a better life to places like Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, who incidentley can't do enough for us over there.
We are now an international joke....
Something should be done, but nothing will be done, as long as we are members of the EU there is only one answer _ Vote UKIP in next year's EU elections and let the LIBLABCON know what you want with only UKIP MEPs representing Britain in the EU parliament next year .
My parent come to visit me as I work here. I feel really embarrassing when they saw many homeless people sleep in such a lovely spot! That not what they imagine about UK!!
Absolutely astonishing that the UK is one of the richest nations in the world, yet we allow homeless migrants fowling our streets without batting an eyelid, it's about time Theresa May listened to the electorate and sorted our borders, immigration and many other issues, this country cannot cope with the mass influx of migrants and the migrant baby boom, we as a nation are being placed on the back burner by our own politicians and are bowing down to every nationality which walks into this country, wake up England and sort it out.
The Imperial War Museum...commemorating all those who fought and died to keep this a proud country, safe from foreign invasion...until politicians sold us all down the river.
The government don't seem interested, this country is ruined
Me here London 12.07 Dont show your ignorance there is hardly a cashpoint up here even in remotest Highlands that has not been scammed.WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY HAVE STOPPED IN london.GET OUT MORE !
So they are homeless and smoking crack in the UK. Could a government official tell which one of their immigration checks these people passed. If they didnt we all know where they are, send them home. It is so simple.
Thank you Tony Blair, for screwing up our country.
They would be cleaned out from Downing Street pretty quick!
at least without an address they cant claim benefits
We all welcome you greatly with open arms to this glorious nation. now entering is more easy.
They do have a home just not in this country
Australia's got it right, you have money in the bank and a trade before they even CONSIDER letting you in! - SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE!
Close the gates... We are full!
Should be easy to resolve this problem. I assume the land is private, not public property. If so, arrest these people for trespass. If it is public land then arrest them for littering. Either was, the law has been broken and to ignore this is just a form of discrimination against the British people. Captain Steve
Being balanced, it doesn't matter whether they're Afghans, Somalians, Polish, Latvian, Romanian, etc. ALL people since the dawn of time have migrated to improve their lot, better their lives, live off the fat of other lands. I don't blame these people. However, when our economy is messed up, the nation in debt, jobs are scarce in many cities, shouldn't we use common sense. No job after a certain period & you go home. Same should apply to British migrants in other countries. Current situation is ridiculous.
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion.
Coming to a park or spare bit of land near you and me most likely.
It is just stating the bleeding obvious! that's what you get when groups of people "doss together! fed up of reading about it!! just please vote UKIP! its disgusting! Sticks in the throat to say it ! but what a bloody mess this country is in & there are people responsible for it! & started 25yrs ago to the present lying conniving lot!! yes all three other parties,& they really do not care! never will care! & the scams that they are up to at the moment is amazing!because of UKIP! that is what holds their attention! so expect another one of the three parties to pop their heads above the parapet & promise something about sorting that mess out!! but you know they will not!!
Immigrants were "offered" free flights home? They should be rounded up and ordered onto flights home. Instead of the government wasting millions on high speed trains, failed technology in the NHS etc and spend the money on border controls and port security to cut down on illegal I am sure anybody, whatever their political persuasion would approve.
Oh the joys of being controlled by the EU
Bring back the "normal" British summer and they'll be washed away in no time :)
SEND THEM HOME! WE'RE FULL!!
There is no great in Great Britain any longer thanks to all these rich so called educated politicians. They have systematically destroyed our once wonderful country!!
Let me run the country I would have it cleaned up within 6 months, the EU wouldn't like it though!
We should house these people ASAP. It wouldn't take much for them to join an already diverse English culture. it' s not that we would notice any significant change.
What happened to being vetted before entering a country?
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates. - Candy, UK, 6/9/2013 12:18............No chance of that happening Candy. What do you think those big gates and policemen are there for? Good lord, we cant have riff-raff and peasants bothering Mr Cameron and his friends while they are trying to enjoy a nice tax payer funded luncheon, and discussing the next part of the EU plan to reduce this once great country of ours into a dumping ground for Europe's unwanted and undesirables.
Stuff the eu send them home
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain?
Why do we let these people in? They are of no benefit to the UK.
Why do we tolerate this?
Deport them...good for nothing and a drain on resources let Poland deal with their own!!
And that's why I moved to Australia!
Why can't they be left alone?!
And it's only going to get worse after next year. Much worse. Cameron needs to get Britain out of the EU NOW. Ah, why bother? Britain has been given away long ago.
Just keep phoning the police till the system crashes then the government wil have to do something If not our country will be no better than theirs
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this. - RogerdeCourcyJones Me and the girls from the office - Jenny and Sarah - think you are COMPLETELY missing the point, son!
If they have no where to live, no form of income and are sleeping on the streets, surely its a matter of 'get out of our country', not please would you mind leaving, please pretty please, errrrrrr we will even pay. Welcome to the eu. We are very quickly becoming the toilet of Europe. Cameron, stop pouncing about with idiots like Obama and come back and sort this out. The people would respect you one hell of a lot more!
What the hell is happening to our once great country?
Donna.....you say your 100!% English Lol. Your actually a mixed mongrel made up of Roman , German , French , Danish etc etc etc that applies to all the English me included We can even be traced back to marsh Arabs ! We ENGLISH are one of the most mixed races on the planet
Disgusting! Flagrant disregard for the message of peace and the memorial to those who gave their lives.
When are the government going to say enough is enough. As long as Mr Cameron is in charge NEVER which is why i will be voting UKIP. We need to pull out of the EU simple. Why dont the governent live beside all this and see what its really like. All their rubbish everywhere. We need to be like Australia they will only let you in if you have so much money, a trade and under 45 yrs old.
They wouldn't get away with it in any other country. My god the UK is in a ridculous mess (literally!).
I am unable to understand why we cannot solve this minor issue the people who run this country are useless and spineless collect them all up put them on a bus take them to Brussels throw them off tell the EU you made the problem you deal with it. I am confident the hard working people of this country would not lose one nights sleep.perhaps we would probably give the person who gave order a job as a poliitician.
More should be done to stop this behaviour. Maybe they should get the cleaners/groundskeepers to sneak up on them early and make them clean it themselves. I hate Brussels and their stupid Human Rights rules as we wouldn't have as many immigrants without it.
One of the guns they are talking about was on a ship that my grandad served on so i find it really offensive that they are being so disrespectful of the Imperial War Museum's grounds.
The politcians tell us that we need these people to help us with the job market ???? They obviously are living in a different Britain to where I live. Parts of West London are now out of bounds to us but I have yet to see any of them making an honest pound and paying tax.
Blair's Britain!
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence. - John, Portsmouth, 6/9/2013 13:06....WRONG! Regardless of how we voted, NONE of us were consulted or asked if we wanted to turn our country into a freeloaders paradise! That said, I will never vote for Lab/Lib or the Conmen again!
Why, for goodness sake, are they allowed to remain in this country? They have no jobs just pick pocketing etc. The Council should make them clear up their own mess? To hell with the EU and their ludicrous laws, it's about time we should show these useless people the door, and make mess in their own country.
For eastern Europeans , sleeping rough is like a 5 star hotel .This country is terminally sick .
We all just sit and let it happen, We vent our anger posting comments in newspapers which is not enough because the Government turns a blind eye. The clock is ticking until possibly tens of thousands more people come into the UK seeking work that does not exist so thanks to EU law they will be given benefits and housing if they have children. Time to sit and reflect as we have become a Peter and Paul nation, taking off Peter the tax payer to give to the thousands of Pauls.
Is it not time we used the Human Rights Act 1998 to our benefit? According to HRA Article 5.1 (e).....Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:.....e)the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;. If these people do not meet the description of Vagrant I don't know who does. Arrest them all and deport them immediately.
Only the UK would be stupid enough to let it happen. Go to any of their countries & try it!, a good hiding on the way to prison would be what you'd get. Come 2014, there will be 100,000's doing it, turning this country into one huge vagrants dumping ground. Pathetic!.
The Vagrancy Act 1824 is still on the books. Arrest the whole damn lot of them.
OUT OUT OUT
Blame Tony! - NIck Addison, Great Missenden sick to death of idiots like you tony has gone hes past finished blaming him isnt going to slove the problem now get it !!!! fast forward to the present - there you are - reallity check
Why not round them all up fill up a plane or two and deposit them back to where they came from at taxpayers expense, which in the great scheme of things would be cheap!!
Where do the Eastern Europeans go when winter comes and where are all the millions going to live who will arrive in the next few years? zzz!
Fantastic! So glad they setting up home in affluent areas and we can all thank B-liar and his liebour followers for this - if you want this sort of thing vote liebour if you don't vote UKIP. Dave & co can't do much about it because it was all signed and agreed, along with a load of extra money by liebour with the EU.
And of course, they cannot be send home because that would violate their human rights.
In other countries there's get thrown in a cell and fined but here we give them benefits an offer them housing. We're pathetic
Round them up and put them on the next RAF flight back to where they have come from. Stuff what Europe tells us what we can and cannot do in our own country.
Round them up and Deport them!!! Should be simple and would send the right message to any others arriving! If they have no job and no form of supporting themselves they should not be in this country.......
Outrages!
Here's an idea. If someone entering the country for anything other than a holiday has neither a job or a place to stay, send them back.
It is SHAMEFUL - but why does the person who's been instructed to move their stuff imply that she doesn't do so because the "guys get angry"?? What the heck? They SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!! Let them get angry! If they don't like, find somewhere else - preferrably in Vilnius... Hasn't the Peace Garden got a sprinkler system? If their "stuff" got a good drenching perhaps that would encourage them to move on... And don't talk about compassion... Is it compassionate to doss in a public space that's been dedicated to peace? Bah!!! UKIP will DEFINITELY get my vote!
Get out of the EU and end this maddness
SHOCK! HORROR!! Man hangs coat on granite slab. WHO CARES? Just give them council flats and be done with it. They arent any lazier than the average brit
This is awful. Do something about it cameron! Bet he wont. Waste of space.
The British employers that hire illegal immigrants get a paltry fine.Why.
Can't people see these human beings are desperate and have nothing and little to hope for
is britain now a refugee camp?
What a miserable existence they must lead. Why can't they lead it somewhere else!
so nice to see the EU in all its splendour without border cointrols, and people can travel anywhere and treat the host country as a toileyt
they manage to get here so they can manage on there own to go back.......... stop being soft cameron and grow a pair ........ at the moment they are pinhead size
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all.
I could weep at what's been done to our country, and everyone seems helpless to undo the damage done.
The UK government should start recharging the countries that these people come from for all the costs incurred cleaning up after them and all the other costs related to them sponging of the UK tax payer
Nowhere to go?? How about home?
Instead of get rid of these mess our interfering busy body of a prime minister wants to interfere in syrian affairs this cameroon should get his act together otherwise he will get his fingers burnt come the 2015 elections his liberal ideas does not wash with the majority
Why even bother coming here? - Big Al, Nein jan, when they are legal in jan 14, benefits, free health service , housing, there feral kids in schools,no doubt like the rest of eu migrants they will then take presidence over brits , comes to something now that police cant be called when they attack staff trying to move there just were do the supposed people in power here think its all going to end
Water cannon ...
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Cameron only likes to be on the World stage feeling important and giving our money away who cares what is happening in UK
I could not care less about Park Lane. Let the poor and rich mix, I say. But a war memorial?? No. Just NO.
NO wonder people want to vote UKIP-get out of the european community Mr Cameron.
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
The British Border control really needs to tighten up! We should adopt the policies of Australia where if you cannot prove that you can fend for yourself, you do not even touch the soil!
The guy in the second pic is quite hot. And his tshirt says " sex instructor". I guess he won't be homeless for long!
Is it beyond out Border Control people to work out for themselves that we should check that someone arriving in this country on a ONE WAY ticket should be asked how they think they are going to support themselves, unless they can prove they have sufficient funds and/or a job to go to? It's what America, Australia and New Zealand do. I have a UK passport and when I arrived in Norway of all places on a one-way ticket I was quizzed for a while until my "sponsor" arrived to sort things out!
Lets hope for snow this winter, that should get rid of some.
So what happens in December when thousands come from Romania and Bulgaria, where will they all pitch camp? The government seems to be concentrating on everything but this matter despite the fact it will have a HUGE impact, so why the silence, is it because we have no power to change the EU rules? I think so, yet they can't admit it or it will give a further boost to UKIP.
The UK is a doormat in all senses of the word. It has the words welcome written on it and you can wipe your feet on it before going in.
Given how scruffy and poor these people look.. How an earth did they get into this country?!!! I just don't get it! If they came in via the back of a lorry, then they are illegals, and should be picked up daily, and thrown back to their country daily...
This country is being brought to its knees by our useless politicians many who spend time on outside jobs rather than do the job they are paid for
I'm surprised Cameron has not donated 52 million of money we have not got for humanitarian aid to these tosa's plenty room in the grounds of 10 Downing St, and at Parliament come one come all.As a well know primemister once said you never had it so good.
Welcome to LibLabCon's multi-culti utopia!!
Glad to hear they use condoms
Welcome to Britain ! Before we know it we'll all be living like this ! #bedroom tax
How can anyone go to a foreign country without anywhere to live and no job ?
Where is the respect shown to this country when they come over here and treat some of the areas in London like this. They should not be allowed in unless they have accommodation and a job to go to, its not up to us to provide for them, we have our own people that need help. Maybe instead of sending them home send them to Brussels let them sort the problem out.
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this.
well heres hoping that the only option they are given when winter kicks in is home
Just the beginning! Those in power who make these decisions, of course, do not have to look at or live near these sights.
Once their here its to late if the police arrest em what they gonna do with em? put em in a cell feed them somewhere warm to sleep they'd love it the damage is done alas it's only gonna get a whole lot worse.
And to think if all the money I've spent on hotels when in London! Why didn't anyone tell me i could set up camp in the mist exclusive areas in town????
Deport them!!
Are the big guns metal? Scrap Metal?
Your comments: Cant they sleep rough in there Country.. Long way to come just to camp. Pfft.
Thank you Labour for causing the problem and thank you Tories for not dealing with it.
If you try to sleep at Trafalgar square, you would be told in no uncertain terms to move on.
Lee , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 12:19... They can go back to their own countries for help. Why should we help them? We have enough of our own people who need help. Charity begins at home.
The homeless Lithuanian even had his washings up. This would have been hilarious if it wasn't serious. It is only the beginning. Brace yourselves for 2014
We need them to sleep rough outside Westmister, so that the EU-loving MPs (of all parties) have to step over these symbols of Freedom of Movement of Labour to get to their work ! Bottom line is that this is the cost of EU Membership - but all we hear is that Nissan might close down if we get out. NO THEY WON'T. PS I see the G20 leaders are togther....why are Baroso and Van Rumpuy there - can anyone tell me what COUNTRY they rule ?
In other countries, you have to ave a hotel or friends address to state where you will be, along with your visa.... Somehow I don't think "dissing own in the war museum" counts.... Please auK, just get real, firm and practical with these people, and round them up and kick them out!
And this is a benefit of being in the poxy EU?
The problem is Obama might see anything we do to dissuade this sort of nonsense would be seen as tyranny and we'd be bombed Don't blame the UK police for this mess, blame the politicians
West made a colossal effor to destroy USSR. Now Eastern Block countires citizens are all yours - enjoy!
Neighbours of ours have just come back from a holiday in UK. They said never again as it was filthy! I only left UK 10 years ago so what's happened to a once lovely Country?
When is the government going to get the message that the British people do not want these people in the UK?
We are finished if we stay in the EU, soon we will be completely over run. I have to vote UKIP in the next GE, they are the only party that will get us out.
Major failure of border control, this is the result of thoughtless austerity and getting rid off border officers, not only at the first point of entry, but having the man power to round these people up and ship them out. new rules of entry should include a deposit paid to the Govt to cover the return back to their country, no deposit no entry.
This is what the Vagrancy Act 1824 is for: use it! It is illegal to sleep on the street or beg. Take a leaf out of the book of the French: round 'em up, line them up immediately in front of a magistrate, convict them and put them on buses back home within 24hrs.
instead of sweeping up excrement why dont they sweep up all the immigrants and put them on a plane HOME wether they like it or not!! unbelievable what goes on in this country !
Don't expect Daveto do anything; we are already no longer a Nation that means anything in the world, just ask the Russians.
Another benefit of uncontrolled mass immigration
This is a joke,And Cameron wants invade Syria, clean you own country's mess first, No wonder Britian is not Great any more,
This is the result of EU membership. We need to leave but the majority of us will still vote liblabcon the party's that to keep us in. If you intend to vote liblabcon them don't complain about this sort of thing. If however you really want to do something positive , VOTE UKIP and persuade everyone you know to do the same. It's the only way we can start to change this country for the better.
Send a fire engine in and hose them down - keep doing that until they get the hint Not PC, neither is abusing a memorial site
And still our doors are flung open wide for all and sundry...
Tip of the iceberg, as from next year these people in their droves will be everywhere and many sleeping rough, as a regular feature all over the place, when let in under EU ruling.., The UK homeless nationals, will then pale into insignificance in comparison., fact not speculation.
Put the sign up "NO VACANCIES" we are full
AS PUTIN SAYS, LITTLE ENGLAND, Europe's dumping ground.
You can thank your government for that...
Why let these people in the country if they are not going to benefit our community
They're turning the place into a slum and I for one am sick and tired of it. Maybe they can choose Downing |Street for their next toilet
At beginning of next year all from Bulgaria and Romania can claim benefits on arrival by saying they are self employed, and bringing their families will guarantee them immediate accommodation, all courtesy of the UK tax payers. It is no use complaining because it is EU Dictatorship ruling, and pro EU leaders like Cameron may tut, tut, but will still comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE NONE OF THE OTHERS WILL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
What do we expect, we have got no respect for our country anymore, why should we assume these lot will. So angry to see my country being pulled apart, breaks my heart to see a lovely country being ruined and nobody will do anything to stop it happening.
And the Rt. Hon Cameron announced at a meeting recently in Kazakhstan, that he personally would like to see the EU extended from "the Atlantic to the Urals!" Is this the opinion of a man who would ever lift a finger to enable the UK to leave the EU ? Never in a million years. The only politician in this country who will offer this opportunity to the electorate is Nigel Farage and UKIP. Cameron and the rest of the liars, traitors and conspirators in the ConLabLibdem consortium will destroy the UK, unless action is taken at the 2015 General Election. VOTE UKIP.
Yes I'm going to bitch again about your immigration policies. Canadian here with a fantastic work ethic - take great pride in paying my way through life through hard work and a member of the Commonwealth to boot!! Nope... can't move to England!! We only let everyone in Europe with no skills to speak of in. Thanks. Everytime I read this stuff I am INSULTED. I have wanted to live in England since I was a child and I just. simply. CAN'T. Does anyone understand this reasoning? GET OUT OF THE EU.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214, hannover, 6/9/2013 11:46 Let them move to Hannover with you. Lets see your compassion
What ever happened to the vagrancy laws in this country? or will this upset the human rights laws? just asking. Sorry I have to say this but if they are living as vagrants surely they should be sent back to their own countries.
they should sleep on their own consulates ground until they fly them home.
MPs tell us regularly the immigration is all good. Don't tell me that they lie?!!
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron?
Calm before the storm, maybe this will be the straw that finally breaks the Camels back, doubt it but its time the British public grew a pair and demonstrate that enough is enough, politicians of all persuasions need to realise that your average citizen has had enough of these blatant abuses of the system, they come here with no money, no, education, can't speak the language and have no specific job skills that will benefit the UK, if Cameon put in as much effort trying to sort out these festering sores in the UK as he did trying to bomb Syria then possibly we could solve this issue, doubt he will though as he only likes to be on the world stage.
No job, no home, get rid simple really but then again country been taken over by leftie liberals who ignore majority defend minorities .
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Doing the jobs we won't do!
Enough is ENOUGH
- terence , derby, 06/9/2013 11:54 Terence. The MPs do nothing, because their masters in Brussels will not allow them to.
How disrespectful - this needs to stop now - we are not a nation of tramps
Blair has plenty of spare rooms.
Well if the British kids are quite happy to pay hundreds of pounds and sleep rough at a music festival then these people should not be criticized. Of course they shouldn't have been allowed into the country without sufficient money to live here for at least 6 months or already have a job and I don't think begging and stealing can be classed as work. Instead blame the governments both current and the last one. If those in power can't be bothered to deal with this, then it is up to you to make a change at the next elections. People need to write to their politicians and warn them they won't be voting for them if they don't do anything about it.
Round them up and ship them out, freedom of movement within the EU did not mean this, that said they shouldn't have been allowed in the EU in the first place.
HMS UK is sinking ... when will anyone with power over my life put there by a "democratic" system that I was taught to embrace actually realise the truth...?
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
its going to get far far worse just wait until next year 1rst of January i believe another influx of immigrants, i just dont want any part of this worldwide social experiment anymore what was wrong with leaving countries as is? its not like we dont send billions to poorer countries, i want out and just having recently becoming a father im terrified as to what its going to be like in another 10 or 20 years i fear his in for a tough life an unfair one at that.
and it's only going to get worse... when will this country EVER find its backbone as regards immigration.
Will you go away.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Gee...thanks Labour
How on earth did they get into the UK?
The Roma complain about persecution in Romania where they behave as they do here. Bearing in mind what a soft touch the UK is and the availability of FREE Legal Aid, I see a Human Rights and compo claim coming any day now.
If we did that in Romania and abused one of their monuments in such away then we would rightly be arrested and deported, vagrancy is still a crime. Unfortunately every morning on the streets of London you see the Eastern Europeans stashing their stuff for the day before going begging and it is becoming more and more of a nuisance, as it is very aggressive begging and in a lot of cases tantamount to intimidation. This problem needs to be sorted and soon before the next influx.
The politicians should be the ones clearing up their mess every morning, not the museum staff.
These people are not homeless, they have homes in their own countries but chose to come here to try to live off our benefit system. With sights like this in a 'sacred monumental garden' is it any wonder that this country is an international laughing stock that no one takes any notice of any more.
Roll on winter and let's hope it's a really cold one.
Round them up and put them on a bus. Take them to the Romanian Consulate and let them take responsibility.
If they are not doing anything worth keeping in the country deport them back, let their own governments look after them!!!
Wait till early next year.....
Ukip them out
And it can only get worse unless we leave the EU before 2014. Round these people up and send them home, our country is full thanks to the EU which has brought us nothing but ruin.
They should go home. We don't have any room for them.
The young man who wanted to work I feel sorry for, as he has clearly been cruelly misled about the availability of jobs in Britain. The others, however, who come here with no intention of working, should never be allowed in to trash our country. If the only way to stop this is to vote UKIP, I certainly will.
Close the border to those that cannot contribute to our society or afford to live here....enough!!
Disgraceful - ROUND THEM UP AND SHIP THEM OUT- no if buts or maybe's.
No job? No home? Then go home to your own country and let them take care of you. We have a hard enough time looking after our own. Harsh, I know. But I wouldn't go their countries, sleep rough and make the place a refugee camp.
Here we go again-no wonder Putin remarked that we are of no consequence-what is going to be done about all this??We have to restore 'true' British pride!Unless of course we are all hot air....I wonder how Nigel Farage would have responded to Putin I must say Cameron looks completely downtrodden and ill at ease where are our 'staetemen' gone??
May I suggest automatic garden sprinklers to go off every couple of hours!
What is the government doing, this country is going to pot.....no more Great Britain!! something has to be done, put a stop to all this, sod the European Courts they don't live here! now our kids may have to have 3 days schooling per week due to the influx over time...........not worth having a government at all its a joke
Its called the socialist dream or as they put it the International Worker!!! It was the end if Britain as we new it the day they signed the Maastricht Treaty! And if you want to learn what they have for us in the future the study the Frankfurt School of Marxism! I can assure you those trade union leader have studied it well! That why they are desperate to fund like minded Labour Politicians!
This is what David Cameron as done for the country, more immigrants are on the way and hes not prepared to do anything about it.
I run a homeless project and have been asked by local government to open many more......homelessness is the only growth industry at the moment it seems........another tory legacy.
I'm surprised they haven't been given their Mansions in Park Lane yet, give it time for the ECHR & EU to force the government to give in and give them all the benefits.
Thousands of their countrymen and women will flood into Britain in 2014, if we all bit the bullet and Vote UKIP in 2015, by 2017 Thousands will be going back over the channel, UKIP is our last hope, mess this up and we deserve all we get. and GET IT we will.
How do these Romanians get in the country to LIVE ON THE STREETS? Yet a Canadian with a career and clean record & British born grandparents cannot get a green card in London. That's messed up. Someone there is making the wrong immigration choices
Thank you politicians all, who have led this country to the bottom of the cess pit.
Italy - Population 59,685,227, Area 116,347 sq miles, Population Density 512 / sq mile. France - Population 65,350,000, Area 246,201 sq miles, Population Density 301 / sq mile. The whole UK - Population 63,181,775, Area 94,060 sq miles, Population Density 662 / sq mile. Anyone else see a problem here? The fashionably PC lefties won't be happy until we're crammed in like sardines. We're Europe's dumping ground for people like this; no wonder the Russians said what they did, decades of inept leadership have brought us here. I had hoped 'call me' Dave's defeat in Parliament would have made him realise it was time to get his own house in order and sort out problems closer to home... A vain hope indeed.
What a joke this country has become. Can you imagine this happening at any monument or in the US ,particularity anything related to the military.... and while we are at it ... where are all the immigration officials checking the credentials of these people? I would have thought it was an easy win for them to fastrack a few deportations.
Referendum now! Let's get out of Europe, rip-up the EU Human Rights document (and write our own), secure OUR Borders and deport (and no amnesty).
Omni88, Oxford, UK - Cool. When can I move in with you then?
Don't know who I despise more. Th flotsam and jetsam of the Planet portrayed in the photographs above OR the kow-towing politicians who bend the knee submissively and appease Merkel and co... OR those who for the last 70+ years have voted those weak-willed 'politicians' into power... Perhaps, unless it really is too late, time for a change, UKIP anyone?
you don't give them the choice, just send them back
Disgusting!
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here! - Tintin , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:54---Well they will if they are stealing and begging and not paying for anything.
On the other hand, more and more people leave everything up to the police and the law. Some parents even think school should educate their kids. People need more common sense and more implication in the life of their community. All the selfishness and the personal ambition granted by overselling politics lead nowhere good.
Reply to ................Kendo 214, If the shoe was on the other foot, and these people were hanging articles of clothing on monuments and using the area as a public toilet in and around you . Would you be as tolerant . I think not.
Blame the European open doors for the mess. Get out Of Europe or renegotiate the terms to stop these people coming here and ruining the country.
Will the Government please give me a free flight out of here. No so we just have to abide by the rules and put up with it. So so sad what they have done to this once Great Country. Time to put things right for our Grandchildren. Like my Grandad did for me.
Is this the Modern UK ?........... couldn't they set up camp outside Buckingham palace instead
Enough is enough The country is FULL , close the doors for 2 years sort out those who are willing , want and should be here to contribute to our wonderful country and we we welcome those with open arms. For those who don't , its simple move on...
GO HOME!
Im sorry, but i am sick of these kind of immigrants. My dad came here in 1973, worked every single day, paid tax and made sure we went to school, got a job and paid into society too. What the heck is wrong with these immigrants... and of course the in house benefit scroungers. Makes me so angry!
Deport. "homeless" + gates.
What happened to the 'Vagrancy Act'?
My patience has snapped where immigration is concerned. I have had enough, I won't be served by them, or visit any establishment that employs them. I don't care what happens to them, I just want them to go.
This is just a preview of what is to follow from January 2014. STOP IT NOW before it really becomes too late
I bet this wasn't the life they were promised back at home if they came to Britain. they really should go home if they can't find work or a place to live. It's sad that people have to live on the streets and take desperate measures but they chose to come here. There are British people in the same boat in their own country! help them first!!
and still mr cameron does nothing a benefit to the economy eh? a benefit to the country eh ? bringing diversity eh ?
Remove the policeman from the final photo on this article and turn it black and white. that picture could of been taken in the 40's. what a joke of country this is turning out to be. send these tramps back to where they belong, their OWN country.
Falls in to the category of why am I not surprised. Until 'we' do something about this it will carry on! We need someone in parliament with a set of dogs danglies .
Put the hosepipe on them at 06:00 hours every morning, that should do the trick.
Yes Putin got it Right. Tramp-Land UK compliments of > Guts UK Gov. Vote UKIP to put it right. :)
Oh come on. These people know what they are doing - they sleep in some of the most obvious places until someone comes along, feels sorry for them and get them setup in a nice house with all the trimmings. Get themselves in the papers is a good way to start.
I think these Eastern Europeans in this story are in for a rude awakening? Wait until next year when more of the countrymen arrive here and start taking up spaces these people have found. Let's see how they deal with overcrowding around national monuments and parks. I have a serious question? How long do you think it will take for the government to react to this mass influx of squatters? Usually the man and woman on the street see the problem years before the government move to address the problem and we see it now. So we KNOW it will massively increase from this "minor" problem to a huge problem but how long before they do something about it?
Welcome to Broken Britain
This is what you signed up for when you voted to join the EU. Be careful what you wish for.
Our politicians will not do anything because they get their palms greased by the EU. Not a chance of us withdrawing from it. Corruption and fraud is endemic
How many stories like this before SOMETHING IS DONE?
No other country would allow this. We are importing thousands of people who will never contribute , but will be a drain on our economy. Please, please act in the national interest, for once.
Thank Labour for that one.
They should take a look at how the Australians treat these sort of people. . . . If they do not have a good reason to be in Australia they deny them entry and send them straight back where they came from. . . Not having enough money to support themselves during their stay is just one of the reasons for refusing entry.
Disgraceful.
And there's an £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt or a lolly paper in Bromley high street. The environmental officers are in action there all the time. What about a bit of environmental protection against these Romanians. Go home please.
Winter is coming the grasshopper will have to travel to Spain.
Why continue to let non-Brits stay? Worst day for Britain when you joined the EEC and opened the borders to everyone. And if these vagrants leave throughout the day, yet "store" their sleeping bags and belongings in the park, simply remove them when they are not there. This is just continuing their ability to return and camp there again. It's about time someone grew a set and stood up to these guys. Your PM has just made a speech about how great the country is (G20) - anyone in authority like to prove him right??????
To paraphrase part of the headline:- One hangs ones head in shame, and I'm not referring to anybody in the photographs. Where next I wonder, The Cenotaph?
Disgusting and ridiculous, the grounds keepers should not have to clean their mess up every day! Send them home! There's no room at the inn!
THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT
Do you think France would stand for this? A squad of riot police would have them bundled away in vans within a day. We are too soft.
don't worry the winter is coming, see if they still sleep rough on our streets when its cold, windy and snowing
They have ruined this country and made like theirs, nearly the end of GB
Round them up, kick them out of the country. If EU don't like it, tough! All this is getting out of hand, they need to act now.
Let them stay, no where else to go have they, plus they"ll soon be a tourist attraction for the Japanese with their cameras.
Where else should they go? They should be given council housing.
we should really be making more parks like this for them....who wants a council house these days when the parks are far better....good on them!!
They could go and camp on the property off all the ex labour government as they were the ones that allowed the mass immigration into our country. They will welcome them with open arms, as they expected us to.
<> like the lads sweatshirt "sex instructor, first lesson free" :-)
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
Think I may stop reading the mail online due to all the UKIP lovers. Yeah vote for a party that has an MP who thinks all women of child bearing ages shouldn't be hired and refers to Africa as Bongo Bongo land, yeah that is really moving forward. People in England don't know how lucky they are.
Bit of a come down from Park Lane slumming it in South London .Please let it snow
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
see how they behave in cold weather hopefully they just might go back to they're own country.
total lack of respect for this country SEND THEM HOME NOW
This is all so wrong but our government does nothing.
I know genuine foreign entrepreneurs wanting to invest and live here, they have to struggle to get a visa and yet these people from EU walk in freely to do whatever they like, honestly what a mess!
To the socialists and idealists: I hope you, and especially your children, are all happy. I'm sure you'll be even more self-righteous as the problems get inevitably worse.
I for one feel sorry both for the homeless and for the staff.
This is absolutely awful and should NOT be happening!!!! WHEN is something going to be done about it .... once and for all ???
It's about time we adopted the same kind of rules as Australia! I just don't understand how these people keep getting into the UK if all they are doing is sleeping rough in parks?? How does that benefit our country? Not really sure why they'd want to stay if they can't find jobs and are sleeping rough?? The UK weather isn't that appealing is it?!?!
Bloody joke of a country will NEVER change.
Maybe if the politicians had to overlook these camps or clean up their rubbish,they would do something about it
Round them up and kick them out, its difficult to work out. They are contributing nothing so send them home. They are just helping turn our country into the cesspit of Europe.
another bleeding heart liberal shutup ------Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46
They won't go back to their own countries because they are probably wanted criminals or have no education or prospects of a job. Better hang out here labour's benefits will eventually come!
'But if we move their stuff if they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to some guys get angry.' "mon Dieu" Well we can't have that can we? It will never do upsetting our guests like that. This is just the "overture" to a very comic opera, G & S could not have produced a script like that. Paul Glasgow..."If this is happening every morning where are the police?" There's enough problems there without bringing them in. UKIP UKIP UKIP The ONLY way out of this c**p.
thanks for turning my country into a cess pit ... you useless so called leaders ....... roll on 2015 ..and UKIP
We do not need any workers here.We have our own British job seekers!End of!
Quick! Notify Blair that his concept of different cultures living side by side in unity is working well
Why even bother coming here?
If it were me seeing their parcels of whatever under the bushes they would be removed and sent to the land fill site along with the rest of any garbage found around there. Pack them all on a ferry and deport them without a bye your leave etc Strong action is the only way.:
OK enough. Why is Boris allowing this disrespect to happen ?
Cameron needs to address this problem on our doorstep and look to this country instead of trying to be the "world leader" he seems to think he is!
'Bout time we just got rid of the lot. The goverment are spineless and only interested in sorting problems in other countries and giving our money away. If this was a goverment for the people they wouldn't be ruining England like they are. Scotland don't put up with it and that's why I'm moving north.
Hopefully come winter it'll be too cold for them to sleep on the streets and they'll have to move on. Awful what is happening to this country. Our politicians are idiots.
Offered a free flight home !...They should be deported immediately, and stuff what Brussels has to say about it, it is our country, and if Cameron is too cowardly to deport them, then vote for a party that will, vote UKIP..!!!
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu? - mreed , Oslo, Norway, 06/9/2013 11:48 That's interesting, and Norway's not an EU member.
Bus, plane and bye bye..........simple.
UK Vagrancy laws allow that these people can be removed from public view. Why is this not happening? If these people are homeless foreign nationals they should be taken to their nearest embassy for their compatriots to deal with.
Vote UKIP and end this farcical situation. If nothing else, voting for UKIP should rid us of Cameron. now established as Britain's biggest liability.
Send them all back, whence they came !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
send them back NOW !
It's really simple, no home and no job, DEPORT them. If Europe is that keen to stand up for them, then off to Euope, FRANCE perhaps! Maybe the Houses of Parliment might be their next stop to!
@- kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46 - Compassionate, LOL!!! you can always go to their country to live like they do
No other country would tolerate these useless derelicts from hapless lands who have NO respect for Britain whatsoever.....ROUND EM UP AND THROW EM OUT !
Why is the Dalai Lama referred to as 'His Holiness' but not the Pope?
Offered a free flight home... it shouldn't be an offer, it should be mandatory to boot these no-gooders home and don't come back!!
Can they not be forced to clean up their own used condoms, excrement and crack bottles??
I feel really concerned for these people. Why do so many people feel angry with them? If this was an article about homeless dogs I wonder what the reaction would be.
WHY is this allowed to carry on happening? this is utterly crazy! the 'authorities' need to move them out & make sure they either find a proper place to live or they go back home
About time we reintroduced a vagrancy act. No one should be allowed in to this country fromANYWHERE unless they have proven means of support.
IF THEY HAVE NOT GOT HOMES TO STAY THEY SHOULD NOT COME IN
UKIP
...residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go. Perhaps where they came from?
It's so fun reading western abuse of the term "eastern europeans". Imagine if we wrote sth like "a tourist from western europe won the lottery today....". That could mean anyone from german neo-nazi to the queen of England lol
The only answer is vote UKIP.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Bloody bleeding heart, hand-wringing liberals. You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing or the consequences of your actions beyond the immediate.
As an American woman, who lives and works in London, I see these people often. It breaks my heart. The government should do something for them and see that they have food and shelter. Winter is coming and they are going to have nowhere to turn.
Who is this "His Holiness" that you are talking about? Do you mean Tenzin Gyatso, who would like to have himself installed as the unelected "leader" of a medieval theocracy in an already impoverished country? Oh yes, that's very holy, that is!
It's all very well someone sleeping ruff! But seriously if you are not born in this country or even British, why should hard working people pay their taxes to clean up after you!! Go to your embassy explains your I dire strates and go back to to where you came from!!
When the weather starts to turn colder their numbers will drop steadily.
Pick them up and take them to their respective Embassies to deal with. If they are homeless and have no money, their Embassies should repatriate them to their country of origin at their expense. Why do we think it is our problem.
And yet barely 100 yards up the road is Kennington Police Station - if the police let this happen under their own noses, no wonder they think they can do whatever they like.
They should be deported without delay. It would seem that our "police force" is still sleeping on the job!
They have nowhere to go? what about home where they came from. If their having to live on the streets , they will have no income , so where do they get the money to live from ???? we persecute our OWN vagrants that have fallen on tough times and are quite happy for them to be moved on . So how is it these immigrants are allowed to return time and time again and are allowed to treat our national monuments in this disgusting manner.How long are we to leave our gates of this once great country open before its realized that we cant cope. at least UKIP have some good ideas and will be getting my vote next time round.
Can any one remember that Little girl who dropped a bit of Cornish pasty and a Seagull snapped it up the parent got fined should the same law apply
Why don't the authorities stop it !
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless? - Mr Singh , Birmingham, 06/9/2013 11:03....More than likely because if they stick around long enough they'll be given housing, healthcare, education and everything else under the sun for FREE to them, but paid for by the likes of most of the people commenting.
It's about time this goverment grew a pair and said to hell with the EU and round up all eu people who do not have a job and kick them back to their own country. Enough is enough this country will end up a third world country whoops sorry we already are.
Oh for goodness sake round them up and send them to Brussels
Exactly what harm is this doing to anyone?
Oh no please I need to get out of this 'dumping ground' of a country!
Vote UKIP, then Labour will get in!
coming soon to a town city near you.time to shut the door on all those who can not contribute to our society.this probely wont get printed .
Coming soon Episode 2 Britain 2014, the migration of a further 1,000,000+ benefit scroungers to the UK mainly southern england and how they will bring the country to its knee's. Crime, DWP, NHS, Education & Housing.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover,=== You think that letting people sleep in parks, public gardens and memorials is compassionate. That allowing them to despoil these areas with detritus of their squalid existence is compassionate. To overlook the crimes they commit to exist or because they are lawless is compassionate. That we should just turn over our spaces to the world and his wife, because they come here in thousands and aren't really suited to work, either because they are ill-educated, have neither functional written nor spoken English, are more interested in living on benefits (usually significantly higher than in their home country) or just came here to escape dire conditions. Why not invite them to stay in your garden if you feel so strongly.
Send them to there country of origin....they can live just as well on the streets of the homeland as they can here..it's not that I'm heartless but we should have a FULL sign at any port.....not enough housing for the people who were born here so why let more in.
Is this what our grandfather's fight for in the war Mr Cameron? I think not!
This is what we have to tolerate...as EU members.....ain't it wonderful.?
These people need help. The comments on here would def not be as harsh as they are if it was young British people on the streets. Thank god its still warm and not winter yet.
It will only get worse. This country has to say NO to any more immigrants. What has happened about immigrants going to the nearest country? No admission to this country unless they have means to support themselves or have a job lined up, with proof. Even Merkel is worried. She is on the way out.
And people were saying the advert van suggesting people go home was offensive? Think again. No respect by these people at all.
Issue the cleaning equipment to Mr Blair and Mr Brown and make them clear the mess up they created. Brown is still an MP so it will only be a short trip on the tube. That is if he turns up at Parliament.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates.
Ship them back to their own country now and no softly softly approach, get them the hell out of here, we are a struggling country without all these free loaders entering our borders.
Well done the British Establishment you are doing a great job of running the country.
It is time to stop all this nonsense, it has to stop ... how many times must we say or think this. If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be ?? You know the answer. ... Our government and police are not doing their job and letting this country become the laughing stock of Europe. It is not the country I was born into anymore. Sad so very sad.
They don't come to Spain where the weather is better. Why? Because the police would nail them and because there are no free handouts.
We'll never get anything solved until our judiciary stop behaving like a bunch of student protesters.
What the hell is wrong with England. Just get them out and give us our own culture back and let them live their own!!!!!!!!! Enough already.
Why do the British Nation put up with sort of thing? I am sure if we did it in their country we would be arrested and deported, we are far too soft
That's OK - because Cameron says so.
Deport them, they are a disgrace and we don't want them here.
Used condoms?!? Fantastic for the Liberals in Britain at least they are practicing safe sex!!! In another vein - If the british hate their own country what do you expect everyone else to do?
Move them on to Downing street.
weak britain, the russian are right we are only a small island and dumping ground.
Thing that is so annoying is we are sleepwalking into this situation and it can be avoided. Our government could LEGALLY opt out of this! They could either say due to our considerations that we may be leaving, all rules are suspended until this is decided but also they could pass an Act of Parliament which repeals part of the European Convention. Europe don't have last say on everything because it is unconstitutional. Obviously they wouldn't tell anyone this though.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart . -- - John-B, London, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:53 --- AND incompetent, traitorous Lieb/Cons/LDumb politicians !! Join, support and vote ONLY for UKIP - flush the others out. We are long overdue some decent, 'breath of fresh air' politics designed for the benefits of the indigenous UK population.
Not long until winter.
Get real, we have seen nothing, yet.
Takes us over an hour to get through passport control coming back from a holiday. How are all these getting through. Shut the borders and start deporting. You want to come and work pay 50% tax that will put them off they might start heading off to Germany.
Cameron/Boris you need to sort this mess out now and you need to shut the door on europe now - at least have the guts to do something in your so far totally inept priministership.
It's a wonder Putin rub it in about Britain putting up with these people Ron, Western Australia
Bob-For the same reason men go with crazy hags from hell...because they do not know any better,yet.It's like a child touching a hot oven.It's foolish.Mama told you so but then you had to see for yourself
Get them out of the country now.
how lovely! Thanks to the powers that be.
They are sleeping rough therefore not claiming benefits. Surely DM readers who are obsessed with benefits and who's getting them would be in their element...?
Immigration has been a success then? When they've taken all the jobs, the 'spares' clutter up our national monuments? Well done, Labour!
The scheme was meant to help scientists and business leaders travel between European Countries with a minimum of fuss. But its turned out completely differently and just caused huge problems for everyone. It could have been forseen that the desperatley poor people of Eastern Europe would be on the first bus they could to the richer countries. This scheme needs urgent cancellation before all our Countries collapse under the strain. But do you trust any politician to sort it out ?
Well UK, welcome to the world.
Good luck to them all
GET THEM OUT!!!
Problem is this rubbish is giving all migrants a bad name. They have no respect for anything and yet expect respect. The truth is they believe we are mugs, just ask any of them. We are mugs ripe for the taking. The people do not represent the majority of migrants though who come here to share in our beautiful country and in our lifestyle and want nothing more than to work hard and have all of that. This kind of rubbish will just move on to the next place once they have destroyed our country.
What a joke. now were to go. Than go home.
Why are they here?...............
Blair, the sellout traitor's legacy lives on..
That's it I'm going to Eastern Europe to sleep rough in their parks and claim their benefits and see how they like it. What's they don't give benefits to scroungers - now there's and idea!
It appears we don't have British homeless people now dm?! What a bias article I cannot even be bothered to finish to read.
Without making any comment upon the thousands of people dossing around everywhere Iwonder if It might help the ordinaryBrit to realise what a lovely country England was These people have no home no real income no nothing yet they think its betterhere dossing than going home
I wish the government would stop worrying about the Middle East and do something about this country. Come January we will be swamped with further immigrants. What a mess we are in...
Only Nick Griffin had any real answer.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Exactly Kendo, because obviously the people in Hannover are much more compassionate towards the eastern European immigrants you've got over there...
1 important advice... don't come to the UK
We have a government somewhere, taking our money and not doing the job; that's fraud.
Tip of the iceberg. No person deserves to sleep like this but we are FULL! Vote UKIP
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all. - Sebastien, Hackney, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 11:30===I bet you wont be saying that when they set up camp outside your front door and mess up your street
Your comments:This has got to stop , this has got to stop how many times must we say it, think it . If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be .... ha ha ha Our government , police, etc are letting these people make us become the laughing stock of Europe.
Buckingham Palace Next
Why are the Police not arresting these people and the Border Agency removing them from the Country. They have No jobs and no homes. They can be removed and sent to their home countries.
Why cant these 'tramps' be deported and sent home? They are nothing but a drain on society.
So Cameroon - what ya going to do?
They are worse off than in their own country ... deport the lot without thinking it over !
What was the point in shifting them from Park Lane if they are going to be allowed to set up camp somewhere else, particularly the Imperial War Museum. They do what they like and they are allowed to get away with it.
Do jobless immigrants sleep rough in the streets and parks of Brussels and Strasbourg? I suspect not. Do not dismiss the EU elections in May 2014. If you don't vote for change, then don't moan that nothing is being done!
How much more disrespectful behaviour do we have to put up with before the powers that be actually do something?! How dare people like this come to my country, demand and expect respect then absolutely defile our nation by being so utterly and unashamedly disrespectful, get rid of the lot of them, am sick, sick, sick of it. The feeling of helplessness at being able to do nothing is making for a very angry nation, a ticking time bomb if you like.
More on the way in January, folks. But the government obviously doesn't care. It would rather throw money at Syrian rebels than get this country back on its feet. We need to get out of the E.U. and stop this sorry flood of lazy good for nothings....so there's only one party will guarantee that, isn't there?
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy? - I.Noitall , Newcastle, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:32 --------Yes there are! not that our police would be that interested! I wonder why? No! they are more interested in stopping and harassing a motorist at 0430 in the morning for not indicating on a deserted housing estate road! oh! and don't they just love to get that breathalyser bit of kit out! they were so eager, they didn't even bother to tell this driver as to why he was being harassed!
Remember shiny Dave pratlling on about how he was going to create the " Big Society ". Laughable now isn't it ?
Go home if they have no we're to go how much more have we got to foot the bill for the worlds poor our children are now suffering at school our NHS with cuts that are barbaric to pay for schooling healthcare and benefits when we can't provide for our own immigration on these levels is just plain crazy our stupid mps still can't work this out yet
This is England!
WHY are they here if they are homeless and have no jobs ?
As the Scots got us into this in the first place, send them all up there !!
Let's hope for a really cold winter then!!
When will these out of touch, not living in the real world MP's wake up to this and block immigration into the UK, we really do need to sort this major problem out as it is becoming very stressful and putting a major strain on our public services, UKIP or any other political party will get my vote who will stop and limit immigration to the UK. Something has to give as we cannot continue with the EU dictatorship on who is entitled to enter Britain and drain everything in it, enough is enough.
The government won't do anything, they have cut loads of border staff, not taking on anymore. the situation is just crazy.
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence.
It happens because nobody stops it. For God's sake when is this Government going to wake up.
Won't be long before the big guns disappear without trace ......................
Buck palace next
Our once proud country is becoming a rubbish dump. Is this what are to expect going forward ? Instead of trying to play the world leader, wouldn't Dave be better off getting things fixed at home ?
I am disgusted by this but not surprised! this country is going down the toilet!
Why not send them to Ireland...there's lots of empty property there.
What is wrong with enacting the byelaws against vagancy? This country, without strong leadership, has gone soft.
It seems the mainstream parties don't actually want to deal with this. It is a disgrace.
Kendo 214,Hanover--------------- You go and clear up after them then !!
Only immigrants with recognised qualifications in either academic or industry occupations should be allowed in. There is NO demand for tens of thousands of unskilled workers in this country. The Germans are sick of uncontrolled immigration too as are the Scandinavian countries. If the useless politicians listened to their people they would find there's a general consensus amongst most "western" European countries that enough is enough.
Buck palace next
If they're sleeping rough on the streets of Britain, surely they can cope sleeping rough in their own countries? I'm very liberal by nature, but pictures like this make my blood boil. They are guests in the UK and yet treat it with the utmost contempt.
Surely if they are not a UK citizen, have no fixed residence or job, they should be arrested and deported...
I despair for my country, how long is this sort of thing going to go on for before something is done about it, UKIP get us out of this mess at the first opportunity .
European Union = freedom of movement! Coming to a park near YOU very soon!!
Many more to come,solution is in our hands when it's time to vote. Only one party opposes this mess and it's not Labour/Conservative or Lib dems. Time to wake up voters of the UK.
Kein Barber.Hereford...11.46..........Quite right ! If you are STILL going to vote for either of the three parties that sanctioned this degrading of our country then DON'T complain because YOU are part of the problem . For once just take the blindfold OFF !
And your Government lets them do this? Imagine what would happen if a British person tried this?
Thanks Camoron, May and all the rest of you EU loving shysters who have perpetrated this crime on us. Britain is rapidly becoming the EU dumping ground of the unwanted, who in torn are tuning our country into an open sewer and desecrating our memorials to the people who died for this country. You've all sold us down the river and are no longer worthy of our support. UKIP can and will change this.
Ok so a building dedicated to people who live, died and survived during desperate times and you're all moaning about desperate, homeless people who need shelter? Are the dead Romanians who are no doubt mentioned in the museum more important than the people who need help today?
Sling the lot in the back of an RAF Herc and off they go home.
Britain the biggest squat in the EU.
Come next year you won't be able to see the grass for bodies.
SO much effort to spend on Syria. SO very little to get our country back from the ravages of ill-conceived "good intentions". EVERYONE should write to their MP's about all this. Overwhelm them and make them do their job.
I don't understand why or how we can take these people in. We can't afford to pay their benefit. We really need to get out of this EU malarky.
I pity them. Not for their circumstances, but for the fact that they have reached the point where they simply have no shame.
Can someone tell the poor chap there's a spare room in 10 Downing Street
It's the EU and all the treasonous politicians who signed this country up to the treaties of the unelected ones. They had no right to do that, our sovereignty and democracy was never theirs to give away in the first place., We need to be out of the vile organisation with the utmost urgency. Only then will we be able to run our own country once more as set out in our Constitution.
Let's hope for lots of heavy rain at night for several months. That might put them off.
Your comments: I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. They have not harmed the Peace Garden in any way. Please leave them alone.
Are the police allowed to do anything, or are they happy to let this happen. Surely they can all be collected from London and put in a high security field surrounded with barbed wire.
Go home then! Surely if you are living on the streets this country is not for you.
Employ a dozen of them with high pressure hoses and clean it up overnight rather than in the morning?
I'm at a loss as to understand why Jamie Oliver doesn't give them all a job if they are all so hard working. {sarcasm intended} They don't even help themselves, but instead are quite happy to give into their baser desires and buy condoms rather than consider the long term solution of just what are they going to do with themselves. (Although the alternative of loads if kids is equally unthinkable.) The heatwave is over and we are going into Autumn/Winter but they will still be moved on around London instead of going home. I'm all for helping immigrants who are truly needy, if they are facing persecution back at home etc. But this is lunacy. Nobody is really benefitting, not us nor them. This is not a solution.
Fgs Cameron you wimp do something, they have NO respect for our country send them back.
God help us after Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are allowed to swarm here after jan 2014. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion; and all our politicians can say is that their hands are tied. They should resign and let in somebody who CAN do something, before it's too late.
Only in this country would this be allowed to happen!! These dossers should be shipped out pronto.
Get used to it guys, it's going to get a whole lot worse. I guess this is the legacy of messers Blair & Brown.
Coming to a town near you very soon now. 01/01/2014 is the start of the big race to the UK. Every one will be a winner. And who pays?
You ain't see nothing yet
Don't think I will be going to London anytime soon.....
get RID if them right away !!!!! as they will all be there soon !! if I left a mess there I would be fined !!! why are these allowed to get away with it !! send them packing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheres the police !!!!!
Saturation & patience has been reached. Our useless politicians need to get their fingers out before we have a catastrophe on our hands. Blair's houses need to be confiscated asap to house illegals and we need to stop immigration now. UKIP ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.
Offered free flights home. The next stage will be to give them a couple of thousand each to go home (ring a bell?). I'll never visit London it's becoming a right toilet.
round them up and ship them out - vote UKIP
I am pretty sure that next year when a handful sleeping rough and making a mess turns into thousands sleeping rough and making an even bigger mess then the government might actually get off there behinds and do something...
Serves you lot right, you were paranoid of none EU immigrants but i have always said "Our problem was the Europeans"........ RED ARROW ME IF YOU LIKE
having read the article, think I'm going to opt to stay in Switzerland.
UKIP UKIP UKIP .Any questions ? Theres your answers.
why dont they just go home?
Don't offer them force them
Just like here in Geneva.
Shocking. Truly shocking. And, what's worse? More on the way!
Your comments:GetRid of them all very quick. Why do they keep on coming. Mthey are not wanted here. What has this country become except a doss house for the rest of theveu. Mmjust wait until January. All hll will break loose then. Mintuink the normal everyday British man and woman have had enough. Get tough and show the world that we are no longer the benefit country of the world.
When this happened in France they were not just moved on but sent back to Romania. The problem is that under EU rules they have the right to return.London is slowly returning to a 19thb century condition because of the EU. This area in the article is beautifully maintained with its Tibetan Peace Garden. However this is what the ratepayers in London get also.
This Angers me so much !!!! They are costing us as a Country having added nothing but misery to it ,when we have veterans who have served our Queen and Country still sleeping rough with no help... Get these disrespectful Gypsies out of OUR country and start helping the People who have served it instead...
its time to deport these people. when you go to another country you offer something to make it better. these people are doing nothing.
The future has arrived.
Blame Tony B'liar'..... vote UKIP 2014 & 2015
Poor London, snigger, who said it was grim up North, expect thousands more, all these National Insurance numbers handed out. Red arrow to the right, snigger.
Why do we allow all this trash in our country ? Kick them all out immediately...most people had enough but are afraid to say anything in case they're labelled "this & that" ... What exactly do these people contribute to our economy & society ?
this country is great i pay nothing and i use free intanet now in coffee place. we keep coming because there is no problem here
I fear ,you aint seen nothing yet ,wait till january when the floodgates are opened ,please out of the E.U now.
Amy from Bath said__ I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37 Then follow your conscience and invite one (or more), to stay at your home. That way you can feel good about yourself, and the streets are a lot tidier.
I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. Over the years there have been many people sleeping rough in the Peace Garden but not one has caused harm. Please leave these people alone.
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here!
This is just the start we need to stop this before January 1st when they can all come in.
The tories have sat on their hands and done absolutely nothing the past three years will,only get much worse next year, ,the police keep clearing dosser park lane,and they just keep returning its a joke.
Simple answer, get out of Europe and stop letting them in.
why can't some sleep out side no 10 perhaps DC might do something then you yes he would have them removed then do as he always does NOTHING. our government is useless we want our country back or there is going to be big trouble as we are all fed up with this its only a matter of time before we snap something has to give.
And they are not even here illegally thanks to the rules of the EU who say we must allow in ALL FROM THE EU WHO WANT TO COME. Common sense flew out the window long ago when it comes to the EU Dictatorship and our leaders bending over backwards to comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE OF TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY.
Why don't they make these people clean up their own crap? Cleaners shouldn't have to go round cleaning up dog/human poo, used condoms, drugs paraphernalia and rubbish. They've got nothing better to do anyway. I dread to think how it'll be come 2014.
round them all up and send them back were they came from and argue the case later and they can have their hr in their own country, we cant afford them
I have a novel idea - it`s called DEPORTATION.
you lot seem to be foregetting one key point.........this is their country just as much as it is yours...now that we are part of europe....i dont see you posting pictures of every single homless british person online........why not ?..its just the same thing...except these eastern europeans dont stink like the british born tramps....they take care of themselves...even hang their coats up properly.
What a shame that we cannot simply deport them
Why is this allowed to happen. The rules of free movement only allow those from the EU to come here IF they have a job to go to, housing and medical sorted out as the rules say so they DO NOT become a burden on us. It says nothing about us becoming a third world country with Europes' waifs and strays. Forced repatriation should be enacted, not just let go to appear some where else. It wouldn't happen anywhere else in Mainland Europe, the French CRS wouldn't be so nice.
put them all on the next plane outta here and never let them back in
Politicians these days have no spine. They are a shadow of the past. Above all others, criminals included, I hate politicians.
Homeless foreigners should be put on a plane and sent home. If they wish to come back they should have a job and accommodation first. The govt should help this process.
They should be handed over to their own consulates to deal with.
Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house, they campaign for most other stupid things.
It's only going to get worse
How about sending them back home...
Did you notice the young man who, when he had a job, sent the money home to his family. Not a lot of use to the economy.
Brace yourselves because come January 2014 there will be loads more swarming in and it will become a common sight (if not the norm), and nothing's being done to prevent it simply because no one gives a toss!
Round them up, ship them home and impose lifetime bans them. They obviously have no affiliation with, or respect for us so why are they here?
Welcome to EU
I find the majority of the comments today extremely unchristian.
Will we ever get our Country back? I could cry when I read articles like this. Surely somebody can do something.
How are those old women allowed in as it's quite apparent they cannot work so should be sent back home.
It isn't their fault. They were born into poverty, are seeking a better way of life and see chances in this country. The problem lies with lack of proper migration controls, irresponsible social engineering by the last government, a present government unwilling and/or incapable of cleaning up the mess and Brussels who, despite having unlimited rescources, have failed to deal with the problems of former Eastern block countries entering the EU.
I've heard that there's some shocking advertising in Eastern European countries showing their own people sleeping rough and begging on the streets of London, saying: 'A job abroad can lead you to this.'
Sick to the teeth of this. We are doomed.
They all need putting on a plane Nd sending home. They need to offer them a trip home when it's winter because they won't be sleeping in these places then?
Surely we can find them some nice council houses, or pay for their private accommodation - we are a bunch of softies, after all. I despair!
When the Muppets (Mr Cameron Therese May & Co) let in Millions of Migrants into Britain what do You Expect ?? ... Tax payers have to pay for them (Like it or Not) Health-Care housing Food Dentists Legal Aid Ect Etc because they have No Work & No Money......Mr Ed/Labour are just hopeless so Britain is Doomed until the people find Real-Men Real-Leaders & an EU-Referendum on Freedom ASP.
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
if this people have no legal income - uk have the right to send them back.
I'm fed up with people taking us for a ride This economic migrancy and all the problems it brings has got to outweigh any benefits we get from being part of the EU
Enough moaning, time to take the Lib-Lab-Con to court for treason
UKIP for me next time round in polls, had enough of living in a country that is run by the EU.......
Why aren't they deported?
Should fit in well with the millions of other immigrant's we have here in South London we cant get enough of em
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu?
This country is turning into a joke, you may as well not even call it England anymore. what would our great granparents think after they fought and risked there lives for this country and for what for foreign nationals to xome in and make it theres. I am 100% englsih but you feel like your the one living in a different country, you cant get benefits when needed but yet these get offered houses, benefits everything JOKE
Just put them on the plane home - no arguments.
As much as I'm all for helping those who are less fortunate, this just isn't on. If they want to sleep on the streets they can do so in their own country. If you want to come to the UK, bring a skill set or enough money to pay your way legally (i.e. no caravans). This wouldn't be tolerated in front of Buckingham Palace so why is it tolerated elsewhere? The law should be consistent.
Then every day everything left behind should be thrown away, if they have no sleeping items they will go home, perhaps now would be the time for a leaflet drop telling them how to hand themselves in.
Does anyone else remember the good old days, when only British citizens could get benefits or use the NHS? How I long for those days to come back. Red arrow away......
This was inevitable! The government have had three years, but have done absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening!
It is not January 2014 yet either, this is just the start.
Why are we allowing this to happen, time for action now!
Thank you Tony Blair.
Deport them.
This Country is ruined, thanks you Tony Blair, and Cameron and Clegg. UKIP for me this time.
and any time we try to deport them, we can't because of their HUMAN RIGHTS. Soft touch Britain.
Round them up and send them home!
Everybody's got to be somewhere! Might come a time with us brits leave this country and love for refuge else where...impossible scenario? Think about it.
I don't understand. No job, no money to support yourself, no accommodation - why are they let in in the first place? The EU gives right of movement, why doesn't the UK say well OK as long as you have all three conditions aforementioned in place?
Is this what has become of Britain? Vagrants turning a National monument and beautiful gardens into a doss house and a human toilet? It's a national disgrace!
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever...
Act. Next election vote for a party that will do something about all of this. Otherwise...please keep quiet and accept what you vote for.
If it was me smoking crack and dossing round a London Park, I would be in a police cell ASAP.!!!!
Welcome to soft touch Britain, disgrace!!
They are usually youngish and there's normally a couple of females that stay with them, but they look really young, perhaps only 18.' ========== Why do women go with losers?
Well, i dont like this. But obviously the majority do, otherwise UKIP would be getting far more votes.
Cast your minds back to the student that peed on a war memorial. He was charged and convicted of some offence or other that I forget. My point is that these morons are showing similar disrespect our war dead and deserve punishing. Where are you our police Force. Are you upto the challenge or not!
How disrespectful! I just really can't get my head around why more and more immigrants are being let in the country? I dread to think what England will be like in 10-20 years time.
>>>>And the European dream rolls on, just why are the Easter states being allowed to join the EU? With their poverty just becoming a millstone around everyone's? >>>> Clear them all out, and sod the EU>>>>
James, Reading: I agree, send them to where the politicians have to work, let them live there. Then we might get this debris off the streets and back to their own country! Sort the mess out there then they just might stay. Or dump them on their respective embassies lawns and make them stay there!
I¿m embarrassed to be English we are nothing but a joke
Just kick them out of the country? I really dont understand what the problem is.
Disgusting.... What a sorry state to see our once beautiful country in, unfortunately a lot of people are not bought up to respect there surroundings, many immigrants consider it acceptable to live in this country like they would in their own... For example, i very much doubt the british homeless would leave drug paraphenalia, used condoms and their own excrement in such a place of beauty, there is places for such behaviour...... due to immigration.... GB is finished
God help us in 10 years time, I dread to think what we will be come, I know English will be a minority language and we will be a minority in our own country with no rights whatsoever and having everybody elses forced upon us.
UKIP seems to be the only hope we have of sorting this mess out and getting our country back. They'll DEFINITELY get my vote come the next election.
it will all be solved in January when the local government will ahve to find them all homes and acomadation....... ain't it a joke.
Blame the EU headquarters in Brussels !
And we'll no doubt be seeing a lot more of this in January 2014 when Romanians and Bulgarians are allowed free transit throughout Europe. Thanks EU.
It's going to be shambles next year
And Cameron is now handing out over £50million in aid to Syrian rebels! Charity SHOULD begin at home but apparently MPs think differently to us! This madness has to stop! The £50million would have been far better spent in clearing this rabble off our streets, and preventing more arriving here!
If this is happening every morning where are the police?
just ship them out if they can afford drugs, condoms, beer etc they can afford to pay for there own way home. enough is enough.
thousands more on the way, get used to it. all coming for the free benefits, "FREE" that I pay my hard earned taxes for. free for them, but we tax payers having been paying in for years. put them all on an island off the coast, with tents, and no social, see how long they want to stay.
Lets hope he tries the No. 10 doorway next, they should give him a good 'E.U.' welcome, after all with the right 'human rights' applied he may want to vote to stay in the E.U.!............Con. member, for now.
Go home and stop littering up our city. I'm sick of seeing this. If you want to come to this country you should prove you have employment and money in the bank.
reptile said, Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out. I agree with you Reptile. Hopefully the "sorting out" extends to arranging and more importantly PAYING FOR flights taking them home.
You know the answer. UKIP.
Blame Tony!
Council officials and police in London blame the unwanted visitors for a surge in begging, pickpocketing, shoplifting and anti-social behaviour. ============================= That was always predictable. They should be blaming New Labour, Blair and Brown who adopted the "open borders" policy for self-centred political reasons and let them all into the UK. Having said that, Cameron's lot have done NOTHING to stop the rot, and with a further flood of Rumanians about to hit us in 4 months time. Why are our politicians so utterly out of touch, inept and useless ?
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
I wonder how many natives would be allowed to get away with it!!!
Making the UK a better place. The idiots in government need to open their eyes!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel, London, 6/9/2013 10:02.............Pretty pointless in the long run though! Moving them on... If they are arrested at all, one peep of 'Human Rights' and they're soon released right back into this god-forsaken country!
Where are useless Plod?
Just look at old those Ladies are ..!! What are they good for Workwise..? If you or i tried emigrating to a foreign country with absolutely no money and in our seventies we would be told we haven't got a hope in Hell ..! Oh and I bet they can't speak a word of English .! This seriously needs to be dealt with ...NOW
This only happens because it is allowed to happen..that's it in a nutshell ! These people have no visible means of support, no work, no money, no accommodation, they are in legal terms vagrants and as such should be subject to a legal remedy, which is to remove them to a place where they came from, they have a country to go to and no doubt relatives and friends to turn to for help. So collect them , document them and put them on a flight back to their Country of origin. simple...IF OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO !
Lots and lots more to come next year courtesy of the EU open borders and the Lisbon Treaty. London will be totally swamped .......mark my words, you have seen nothing yet...!!!
No where to go? Hang on they were offered FREE flights home? So they DO have some where to go.
They actually go across the road to a shelter where nuns feed and allow them to shower and return later
Next year should be interesting, judging by unofficial (true) numbers. It'a also amazing how they move them on from the affluent areas so quickly, anywhere else and it'd be months.
Tip Of The Iceberg. Vote UKIP!
Get Mary Beard and other assorted lefty's to clean it up.
At least they are using condoms!
Yet MP's can't understand why the UN has sent Raquel Rolnik to the UK on a fact finding mission about housing conditions?
No money No home No self respect, send them home on the first plane. Glad Greece does not tolerate this.
It makes me so proud. Thank heavens the European flag flies over every Government building, as our Euro MP's slave long into the night, on their paltry salaries, fighting to supply us with more of these wonderful people. Don't forget; the Labour party told us that immigration was a GOOD thing, and that our country NEEDS people like this to be a better place. It must be true because they would have let us have a vote on it if it was at all in doubt. Hurrah for immigration. Hurrah for Europe. Hurrah for our wonderful politicians. One day we will understand why they have done this to our country; and I am sure that we will all be grateful.
They are trespassing, fine them if they don't have money make them clean up the city, they won't hang around for very long if there is nothing for them.
Flippin heck when is this country going to get a grip and sort out this mess
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
I personally care more about these fellow human beings than some memorial that I never have nor will visit. Some people needs to sort of their priorities or maybe I am the last good person in the world?
Something which the Pro-EU brigade never mentions. They've made these people homeless with false hope.
This is past ridiculous.
Comment readers are actually falling for this!! How dumb are you? Read the story. It says, we get rough sleepers here during every summer. So every summer there are homeless people sleeping there, this isn't news then. How many homeless people are foreign in the UK? Loads.
They are laughing at us, people, but not as much or as loud as our politicians are, especially the old and the new Labour rats.
WELCOME TO BRITAIN, the doss house of every country in the world, I dread to think what 2014 will bring with the influx that is expected !!!!!.
Why aren't they arrested for vagrancy? I bet if they were British they would be.Why the softly, softly approach? I used to love going down to London for the weekend, but you wouldn't catch me down there now, it's a dump.
sick of these people , sick of cameron why doesnt he startt to sort his own country out before he starts on syria and the like ?
Get the fire brigade in with their hose pipes to clean up the mess and wake them up - perhaps they wouldn't be there again. Disgusting. March them to their own Embassy and let them sort out the problem by sending them back to where they belong.
Why are they allowed here? Uk is being laughed at by people around the world.
disgusting.. round em all up and kick em out!
If they are sleeping on streets and have no job they should have no choice they should be sent back to there own country .
Migrants should not be allowed into this country unless they have somewhere to live a job and have medical insurance and £10,000 in cash.
I don't understand this at all. Are there not homeless shelters? Can't you cordon off monuments at night? We don't have the EU problem but it is abominable. It must be abolished. It is vile to allow this in sacred areas. What are the solutions for this that show that your country means business and will not tolerate this behavior. It is disgusting.
They shouldn't have a choice whether to go back home or not, it should be instant deportation on the spot.
where's plod, this more important than fining motorists.............
Are these the people we want in this country ? Blair and Brown opened our borders for every down and out to come here and look what we are left with . Camp them outside their MANY houses and flats they own and then see what happens ,
You can't come into the country uses you have an official letter saying you have a on. Simple.
will only get worse
Get the water cannons out.
Maybe they should sleep outside the homes (on in their gardens) of all MPs and the PM, see how they like it. So few decide so much for so many. It's ok for those in power, they don't have to deal or put up with this, the rest of us do. I am so sad at what has happened to my country. It will only get worse come January and in the future when other Eastern European countries join.
the worlds dumping ground.
This country is at boiling point regarding immigration. Someday soon, the bubble will burst, and all hell will let loose.
No Work, No Job, No income, Simple! NO WAY YOU STAY HERE! Ship them all back home, it is NOT England's job to take in the waifs and strays of the EU; in spite of what those clowns in Brussels say!
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy?
You don`t see any on College Green - it`s right outside Parliament. Maybe a few there would concentrate Cameron`s attention on the fact that his beloved EU is opening our doors to thousands more of them in January. And yet the DM, which regularly makes headlines over immigration, is fond of deriding UKIP who are the only party committed to putting a stop to it.
"We do have to clean up after them unfortunately". What utter nonsense- do you think, for one minute that Parisian workers would put up with this? Read the accounts of what happened in Paris, e.g. outside the Louvre. They didn't just shrug their shoulders and give in-they stopped work and marched on the government department in charge. At times I'm so sick of this country.
these pictures make me feel sick and whose doing anythng about it!?!? its actually getting worse. av said it before sayng again av never voted but its UKIP next time like. this country is in a mess and it scares me!
Can't these people be given benefits and a council home? Best sort out this problem before the rest of them come to this tiny island of ours.
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all.
I am sorry, but that is just wrong. People take their chances when they come in this manner, doesn't mean that should be allowed to sleep where ever. It's not right for the people to clean up after them either, I think shows a sign of no self respect, having someone clean up you, clean it yourself you are to camp like this. These people just don't care, it's all what they want to do. I don't mean to be harsh, but at least pick up after self, and have some control. How do they get into the country?
Looks like rain this Weekend ;)
Get rid of them!
A modern day plague...
Yuk. I never voted for my country to change, it's turned into a dumping ground. If they're going to keep coming, keep them in London where the government might actually notice them.
Must be the only country in the world you can come with no job or funds or address... Cess pit
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!!
Out of work, well should not have been let in without a place to stay, money and a job, get real people go home we do not want you here.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have. - parky77, Manchester, uk, 6/9/2013 11:20------depends how you qualify "sink". I reckon it did that ages ago
So can a tourist also pitch a tent up in Hyde park while on holiday ? Free and great location .... Seriously though when is enough enough beyond a joke the public should keep phoning the police till something is done
i just have no idea what planet our government are on. the country is full, dont let any one else in till the population drops. simple
The results of a big heart and a weak government, lets hope we have a really bad winter.
Yet another reason for us to elect a UKIP Government at the next election!
It's absolutely ruined the 2am cruise. Get them out and give us back our gardens.
- Hunsa, Somewhere in London, 6/9/2013 10:32 - Actually the easiest thing to do is read them the EU regulations about free labour movement and not being allowed to sponge off other countries and then forcibly remove them. If they have no job, no money and
The government cannot stop the east Europeans from migrating to the UK because of the EU treaty, but still far more people from Asia and Africa are migrating to UK than from eastern Europe. What is the government doing to stop them?
send them back they are no use here its a disgrace
Throw em out the country!
It's a "trailer" for 1st January 2014. Why isn't this madness stopped. Put them all on a plane to return them to their own country & don't let anymore in. EU passage is rubbish how many true Brits want to settle in the countries these scourge have come from. Bit one sided isn't it? Close our boarders now & have a referendum now to get us out of this one sided mess.
I suggest the place is cleaned with a high pressure hose. Particularly while they are still present.
Cameron is more bothered about going in to Syria than he is about sorting this country's problems!
Perhaps some of the Employers that frequent these articles and constantly tell us that East Europeans have better work ethics than us Brits can nip down offer them some jobs and get them off the streets... PS: Where are all the benefit haters today with there suggestions of workhouses , vouchers, cleaning the streets etc..
Collect them up and send them home. Or will an outbreak of a serious disease occur before anything is done.
We really can't be having this.Someone must be held responsible for dealing with it & sort it fast.
I also have a similar problem across my street. I live in central London and from when I moved in the number has gone from 5 - 18+. They're very loud late at night, litter, use our doorstep as their public toilet yet the police won't do anything about it. It's disappointing considering how much we (as in everyone) pay to live in London and have it ruined by a small minority with no respect. I'm losing faith.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof. - Andy Stone , Hull, United Kingdom, It is no use blaming the present government. WHO opened the doors, and made it illegal to stop them? Oh!!! Of course it was your beloved Labour Party.
Land of hope and glory More like land of dope and Gorey It makes me weep
Home: This individual sits up among the flowers of the Tibetan Peace Garden and residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go so what the hell are they doing here for gods sack !!
Why aren't they just sent back?
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. - GoodMorning , City of Angel, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 10:51 None of the people mentioned in the article are Russian. Not sure what you are talking about. Blame the EU for allowing poor countries to join the EU for political reasons whose nationals now do not need visas to come to the UK. Unlike Russians who still need visas to travel to all EU countries.
Open door Britain. Politicians don't care because they live in their own closed off section of society...they aren't picky about where their slave class comes from.
These people really are living the dream arn't they, other people thinking of coming to the land of opportunity take note you do NOT get a free house!
we are a joke of a country! pc madness gone wrong.
Arrest them for vagrancy and take them to their Embassy.
Great Britain.....today....not good.
This is what happens when you open the border gates and let the rest of unemployed Europeans in.Surprised NOT!
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country - hash, beds, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:38 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We would get arrested and locked up with a nice big fine if we did this in THIS country.
They're not homeless - they have homes in their own Country. For all our sakes - these people should be obliged to sign a contract when entering this Country - break it for any reason, littering to the worst, and home they go. If they want to appeal, do it from their homeland. We didn't fight for their freedom we fought for our own! Goodbye Britain - you were great.
About time we rounded these people up and dumped them back to where they came from - labeled not wanted, surplus to requirements. What I really think would be unprintable..
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.- GoodMorning, City of Angel, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:51 +++++++++++ What are you talking about, there is no Soviet Union anymore. Everybody was so happy when the Soviet Union was broken up, well the chickens are coming home to roost now, in Britain.
Looks like Dave has a big ''to do'' list...so once he gets back from sorting the Syrian situation out and throwing 300 million there,will he will come back and sort his own back garden out....How can it be that within a few paces of one on the worlds leading financial centres there are homeless,distitute people sleeping rough...and defacing memorials that honour the price our young men and women paid for their freedom to do so....
can someone please tell me what is the point when they are all invited back in january anyway ?? what a disgrace and a laughing stock we have become cameron needs to be ousted now !!!
take all their litter and deliver to number 10, until that happens they will do nothing
UK becoming USA....:(.
The shiny new Britain that the Labour Party created, millions in poverty, schools and hospitals unable to cope, incurable TB on the increase and crime rocketing. Thanks for your open door policy on immigration, our nation owes the Labour Party a great debt of gratitude!
and we allow this WHY?
Oh please someone give them a home
But they DO have homes - Back in their own countries. Why should we have to put up with it? The EU's own rules state that you must be able to support yourself and have 3 months to find a job - if not then you are not allowed to be a drain on the host country's resources and must go home. How about Cameron starts enforcing it instead of throwing petulant tantrums about not getting his own way over Syria. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!!!!
go HOME! or face arrest please
wait until next year. Our country will even more classed as third world
So they can afford condoms, drugs and beer. It might help if Plod enforced the law when they can drag themselves out of the nearest McDonalds or kebab shop which appear to be London`s "unofficial" police stations these days
Put them on a military transport plain and send them back where the came from.Forget those idiotic EU rules.
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37......................Don't suppose you'll be offering up your bed? Thought not.
give me back my country and sack all politicians
MPs SEE THIS,, or as always turn a blind eye,, close our boarders,,get out of the EEC,
Time to purge, you choose how.
Simple, at border control ask for prove of residence and confirmation of employment. If this cannot be provided, turn them around and send them back. Not exactly rocket science is it?
I think it was John Major who signed the OPEN DOOR treaty at Maastrict. I wonder what he will be thinking when he sees the results of his actions?
this boys and girls is where any austerity measure savings are going. Cleaning up after them, housing them, paying them benefits. we are being robbed under the watch of lib lab and con. We need to change, will another party be just the same? For sure voting the same over and over will not change things. A vote for ukip is a vote for labour - LIES. A vote for any other party than lib lab con is a vote for your childrens future IMO.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The soft touch liberals can call me whatever they want, but I do not want these people in my country!
The EU right to roam needs to be enforced on the basis that it was intended, namely to work in any country. It does not give the right to doss and become criminals. Ship all unemployed EU roamers home. Perhaps a condition of entry should be some form of bond that would ensure their return if they become unemployed.
They're having a laugh, get them out.
I wish our useless government would forget about sticking their nose into the business of others, and do something about the state of Britain, before we are sleeping on the streets of other countries!
Big deal
Good luck to them. These people are made of hard stuff!
These people shouldn't have the option of being asked if they want a free flight back to where they came from,they should be rounded up and sent back anyway. London looks like it is becoming a pig sty.Disgusting.
Make them build a raft and get home them self why should we pay, they should not be here in the first place.
If they have no job, no house, no money, how did they get here in the first place, how did they pay the fare? Or did they get in the back of a lorry?
They should be immediately deported. I fear this will only get worse when we allow Romanians in
Will UKIP deport them?
Vote UKIP and they'll be gone -
This is what happens when professional politicians run a country, no life outside the hallowed halls of power, so fail to see the mistakes they make and the results there of.
Hose them down with water. That will move them on!
And your words of wisdom Blair are.... Get out of the madness that is the EU VOTE UKIP
Come out of the EU then round these people and send them back from wence they came.Simples
Hose them down, a nice drop of cold water from a water cannon should do the trick nicely.
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
As Jack Straw would say this is modern Britain, The New labour project that is bearing the fruits of their lust for voters, to stay in power.
Putin is absolutely right about this country. Our politicians have sold us out. His oligarchs do own Chelsea and these lot degage our nations pride.
These are not your normal emigrants, Lithuania for example is not a poor country and the people I have worked with from there are hard working intelligent people. These people are transients who move to wherever they think the pickings are better, and that means wandering from country to country scrounging.
I've worked in Mayfair for many years. In the past few months one particular road I go down on the walk from the station to the office, has started to be used as a public meeting place and toilet (for both pee and poo). The smell in the morning is overpowering. I've complained to Westminster City Council and to be fair they acted really quickly and the pavement and walls are now washed down daily and the rubbish is cleared. Homeless people have always been in the area, but what's changed that the homeless now use the streets as public toilets? Oh, hang on a minute . . . .
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Thank you labour and con rats.
Get real this is the future...self inflicted by our 650 MPs... We can expect more of the same ... As 650 MPs have no committment to want to control immigration to a basic well unforced controllable level... ... some of our MPs appear to be a liability in controlling the UKs best needs ... Of the majority... in years to come it will cost the uk dearly in local conflicts and aggrovation to all... We could end up with mini townships like south Africa as increased homeless flood th uk...in the next 25 years...as spendable income reduces year on year for so many...Reported 45,000 empty shops in the UK and growing ... is a bad bad sign .. Of where the uk is heading...
They or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in unless they can prove they have a residence and place of employment.
Offered free flights home but they're choosing to stay? There should be no choice available to them and they should be returned to wherever they came from!
One word... Porta-loo (or is it two?) Problem solved though!
Britain deserves what it gets - this is what happens when Liberal do gooders dictate the immigration policy a country for too long.
Well done Labour.
That's disgusting, why the Police aren't doing anything? Send them back home ASAP
any other country will just ship them out (including other European countries) but UK is weak.
All part of the EU's contribution to european exports, the communities dross, and funded by, you guessed correct, taxpayers !!!
This would not be tolerated in their own countries. Come on wake up for gods sale UK government. STOP this insult to god fearing, tax paying, law abiding UK citizens.
Why the government allow this to happen in the first time? Because they are IRRESPONSIBLE THEY DONT REALLY CARE and put all the population to live with this disgrace situation - THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS UK SHOULD CUT WITH THE LIBERALS OF THE EU they were are and will be a bunch of lazy politicians without any progressive sought
EUROTRASH!!
This makes my blood boil, it should be like Australia, no job or skill and you not allowed into the country. I would say our country is too soft but it's the EU that control the UK these days.
Send them back!!!!!!!
Wait until they can all come here legally. This problem has only just started. But Cameron will not know tucked up in his 1 million pound house.
And this is the taste of what's to come but on a mass scale, R.I.P. UK
Well done Labour.
surely if they are homeless and not contributing to society they should be deported? Why would they want to live here is there is nothing for them? I am not against immigrants but coming to England to be homeless is just insane.
Just send them home under EU rules you must have a job and somewhere to live,what is going on!!
They are homeless! Regardless of age, religion or nationality homeless people deserve our compassion. What sort of society are we if we can't show a bit of compassion to the most vulnerable. I am a bit disgusted at some of the comments. Red arrow away it only proves my point!
David Cameron & all his cronies have let this happen, let them deal with it. That's what they get paid for.
So when will that somebody we elected to run the country have the guts to sling them out - EU or no EU!
Why are they not moved on or prosecuted for trespass?
Get rid of them
Who would have imagined the import of homeless...beggars belief.
And it is going to get much worse, thanks new Labour,vote UKIP its our ONLY hope,
Where are they getting the money to buy the beer, drugs etc?
When I enter Canada and the U.S.A every time they ask where you are staying, and the date of your return flight. so why not put in in place in the U.K. and it takes so little time.
welcome to the Doss House of the world, 2013 GREAT Britain. What a shambles.
Being work shy got nobody anywhere ever
They evict them. They come back. Close the borders, send them home don't let any more in. The price of belonging to europe - is a price too high.
It's a free world. No one in this country created this world therefore it is not owned by anyone. Welcome to Britain
London is quite mild in winter compared to the Baltic be prepared for more to arrive
You stupid people haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till this time next year. You don't realise just what you are letting yourselves in for. It will make the last Polish invasion , and make no bones about it that is exactly what it is, look like a trickle.
We couldn't do that in their country!
We MUST vote UKIP they are the ONLY party that WILL get us OUT of the EU and has the KAHUNA'S to sort the endless problems being a member of the EU has brought to OUR country. We must get control of OUR laws (75% are made by the EU) money (56 million a day to the EU/12 billion overseas aid a year and rising) borders and way of life, which has been destroyed by the EU LOVING lib/lab/con!!!!!!!
And that´s what happens when you let poor European countries that are poor like the developing countries, into the EU. This is just the beginning....And you people thought that Immigrants from your former colonies were/are bad!
Why, if they don't have a permanent abode or British Citizenship, are they not taken straight to a flight back to where they came from? Like it or not!
get rid NOW ! and vote UKIP
Cameron : DO SOMETHING
They should only be allowed in if they have jobs lined up, no chancers and free loaders
It is not their fault.
Istead of offering free flights home how about forcing them on a plane home! If they are polluting our streets and are unable to find a home then ship them back to where they came from.
I hope its a long hard winter!
WHY ARE THEY BEING MOVED ON, THEY SHOULD BE LOADED IN A VAN AND DUMPED BACK ON THE CONTINENT!!!! Why are they here?? they have no means to provide for themselves, they don't speak English - WE ARE A JOKE, TO THEM, GROW A SET CAMERON AND CO, AND GET RID OF THIS SCUM!!!!! If anyone wishes to live in another country you HAVE to show immigration your bank account, have means, skills, qualifications and family who will support you, what is wrong with having the same rules FOR EVERYONE!!!!
Cameron and chums couldn't care less , Milliband and Clegg wont even talk about it . Most politicians are being very British about immigration , I.E sticking their heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out . There is only UKIP , anything else is burying our heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out .
Camoron and all you other MP idiots, take note and let's hope you don't have this outside your homes, very doubtful
This is the state of the country Cameron is trying to defend. Actions speak louder than words!
Lol, what a dump the UK is becoming... It will be cold soon so lets just cut to the chase and sweep out all the exhibits so they can kip in the museum itself where they will be warm...
Disgusting
What if we all behaved like this? Well, a) there would be no room for them to hang their clothes on our treasured sites, and b) there would be no-one paying into the social security to pay their benefits. For crying out loud Dave, you're the person we entrusted to look after our country. No wonder the Russians think we are weak.
Firstly. They are not going to have any concerns about our history, (you could say why should they, it's not their country). These are desperate people. I feel sorry for them, as they come from an excluded group in their own country. But, that doesn't mean to say I am happy for them to be over here. They offer us only problems and should be deported forthwith. Thank you EUSSR. Time to take control of our borders.
Arrest and deport them under the vagrancy act. Fine them for littering. Arrest them for lewd behaviour. Arrest them under the use of class a drugs. Etc etc
the deputy prime minister should act now and as the PM has other pressing issues would gain the public vote in showing some bottle to regain our country from the evil of the EU and unwanted immigration...
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. They are not Russians-Russia is NOT in the EU and wouldn't want to be!. Facts right first please!!
How about if they clutter and ruin our priceless monuments like the ingrates they are, they have to do community services. clean up their own mess then everyone elses, not a prison sentence though, that will give them what they want. Repeat offenders are deported out the country.
Reading stuff like this INCENSES me. It is high time to remove these 'people' from our streets and despatch them from whence they came and NO APPEALS. Stuff the EU beaurocrats! And you know what volcano, Italy - there is NO point in having border controls because there AREN'T ANY CONTROLS
WHY? Are we not deporting these people? They are NOT working migrants, NOT working, They turn our parks and gardens into rubbish tips,. This incompetent government has a lot to answer for with their shambles on immigration!!
Soon this will be British people due to the problems in part caused by IDS and the bedroom tax also the constant attacks on the poor.
'They was offered free one way flights home, but the chose London streets instead' why are they being given the option?! Just load them up and send them back!
Enough is enough. Stop this by standing up to the E.U. and changing the law....quickly!
Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are you reading this. You brought them over here for more votes now you are not in power you wash your hands of them, shame on you.
When January comes....just you wait.
Just round them up and on the first plane back to where they came from..France.
Hooray for the EU.. Come and use our country as a toilet. ;-(
Get the Spanish police to move them.....they don;t mess around!
we need to change our rules and only let in from the eu countries those that have accommodation and only allow two years work permit, no benefits at all. if Spain and Greece are not giving any medical help then we must do the same. the rules must be the same for all that's the whole point of the eu!
Wait while next year, what you see now will be nothing compared to then.
It seems in this country no one cares if you destroy churches or any spiritual monument. However, if a war monument is touch everyone gos crazy. Since when did we become a war obsessed nation? We have stop thinking about what happens after death and instead work on ways of creating machines to bring about other people's deaths.
I thought everyone loved everyone?. That whole 'we are all equal' speech I hear daily on here about sexual, racial discrimination. When it's our money on the line, greed comes out. Hypocrites.
Blame her majestys goverment not the eastern european dossers.
these people should be kicked out immediately - why they are even allowed to spend the night there? It is a disgrace. The PRIDE to have a great country is really gone... we are run by muppets.
Wait till January!
No where to go?... how about HOME!
Tony Blair has loads of property that is rarely used, why not house them there? Cherie can then do all her 'human rights' work from home - sorted.
if they are sleeping rough they should be deported as they are clearly not contributing anything to the uk
I thought the whole point of the freedom of movement within the EU was that people could move to WORK freely in the member states. I did not realise it gave the whole of the EU permission to doss in the UK and receive benefits! Why on earth are we letting them in without work or a place to live?!
This is depressing. And this at the same time we read that primary schools are coming under pressure for places - this is partly down to too much immigration as well. At the end of the day we are a small island with limited resources - we just simply can't take any more!
so how many Syrians do you think hes gonna let in
Well why let them in the country in the first place? - nicola , glasgow, 06/9/2013 10:15>>>>>>>I had always believed the open borders were for seeking employment, yet some of the women appear to be much older, I cannot believe they are seeking work. I wonder what the reaction would be if we all arrived on mass in other EU cities parks and squares?
Where are the boys in blue??????????????????????????
I am tired of DM calling all of former soviet block countries "eastern Europeans". Most of former yougoslavian contres are Balcan region, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia is Central Europe, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are Northern Europe and so on. If would be the same if I started calling uk, Italy and France Western Europe and saying that Italians with distinctive Mediterranean features look like Anglo Saxons reporting another wild stag party somewhere in Baltic states. Please, name the country and not a former political block. Otherwise it gives bad name to all other countries assossiated with that terminology.
This is a communist country now so get used to it , because more of the same is coming and our bought for politicians couldn't care less .
Just the tip of the Iceberg wait until next year they will be everywhere. And the members of the Houses of Wasteminster will do nothing.
If I go to America I have to give an address for where I am staying. So why East Europeans can simply turn up with no where to go is wrong. They have somewhere to go - Home. All the Addresses for MPs should be published with transport links to their Gardens. Once camped outside these locations lets see how quickly something is done about the problem.
our government is a bloody joke they should have never have been allowed in to the UK in the first place - operate a system like Canada or Australia - if you've a trade and money to bring to our economy ok, if you've nothing, then no thank you. why should we, the hard working taxpayer fund these scroungers, we don't want them, the crime rate rises, and they are a complete public nuisance, when oh when will they wake up to this?!!!
if they have no job and are sleeping rough the flight home should not be optional
If they have no residence technically they cant get a job. So they are ILLEGAL!!!! Next boat out !!!!!!!
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless?
Ah, the joys of EU membership.
Send them back from whence they came! They clearly do not have the means to support themselves as they have no jobs and no home, so will most likely beg and steal from us. They have very low morals and hygiene standards. Why should the honest British taxpayer have to put up with this?
I'd say move them outside of MP's homes but they all seem to have second homes miles away that we pay for as well. This will only get worse, the border agency admits immigration is out of control and they don't know how to stop it!
Your comments: Arrest them for vagrancy, and then deport them first taking their DNA so they can be checked if they try to get back in, BRITIAN is becoming the cesspool of Europe!!!.....voteUKIP
When will our country learn? I'm sure other countries wouldn't allow this.
Round them up, ship them out...
Send them all to where they came pdq.
Send round a police van. Take their details, finger prints etc. Straight to the airport. Deport same day. Job done.
UKIP
If they have no work then kick them back to where they came from!
How about giving them directions so they can go and sleep outside Theresa Mays house and she can pick up their used condoms and excrement?
A good cold winter will get rid of them.
Wait till the EU ban comes off this should be spectacular mwhaha
...it's a direct result of the Tony and Cherie comedy show.
sorry but theres no way i would want to live in london now days hgopefully the weather will sort them out
Why dont a police officer walk round EVERY morning and night and move them a long. I mean what are my taxes paying for? Its not hard.
Stop letting them through the god dam borders then
Nicola It is very simple. Under European law they cannot be stopped from entering the UK. Do not blame the police or Border Force as they can do nothing about it. Until we leave the EU we are stuck with these people whether we like it or not.
They can always go home.
If they have no where to live that has hygiene and toilet facilities they should be collected up and sent home. Or is the government going to wait until some serious epidemic breaks out.
Let them sleep rough outside No 10 perhaps then David Cameron will realize this sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue, plus see what staying in the E.U. results in.
Who is 'His Holiness' ?
pick them up and move them out back to Eastern Europe by the bus load
think this is bad wait till January 01st 2014!!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel , London, 06/9/2013 10:02..YEAH BUT thjey simply move elsewhere so the problem doesn't go away it just re locates!
Throw them out!
Just thank David Cameron for this........ he must be so proud off his achievements ...
What`s happened to the vagrancy laws?
Stayed at Park Lane recently where they hang out around the entrance to the tube, ignored their begging, but still intimidating to a woman with 3 kids, a blight on our fab city.
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
The came here illegally, they have no reason to stay. They should be deported for this, I'm sick of homeless immigrants, some set up camp in the childrens play park by my home, they would get undressed in front of children and it took weeks to convince the council to do anything. If you come here to work, don't have work and don't contribute to society, get the hell out.
Welcome to Blair's Britian.
Not putting anything into the system, yet using up time and money at the expense of the tax payer once again! Pack em up, send em home! We need to adopt the attitudes of the Aussies!
Send the photos and the clean-up bills to Brussels.
Thank you,yet again,Mr.Blair...!
House them next door to all the MP's that voted for this failed social experiment
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
don't allow them get settled in, move them same day, after they have cleared their mess up.
and the problem is only going to get worse next year !
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
If they have no accommodation, they should be booted out...not let loose to go elsewhere.
Deport the bloody lot of them NOW.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart .
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Eastern Europe and its immense opulence and riches.
A bit more attention to our country and a bit less posing on the world stage may not go amiss Cameron.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
Do you think this would happen in Bern? I suspect they would not get in in the first place or if they did cleared out of the country sharp-ish. We are literally and rapidly becoming the toilet of Europe.
Will someone please give them directions to our politician's houses and Westminster. Until the idiots who purport to be in charge have to live with the problems that their ineptitude create nothing will change. The only time our politicians have listened to us is when their jobs, were threatened. Cameron did n't offer us a vote on Europe because it was the right thing to do, he was worried about UKIP. Bear that in mind at the European elections.
That's disgusting
If they are out of work as they claim, then Britain clearly ins't the country for you. Up sticks and try one of the other European countries. They are all just as accessible as you, and some of them even speak your language.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof.
Ive worked in two countries abroad and in order to enter these particular two there was strict entry requirements ,the main being details of work/job as the reason you were coming to the country were mandatory,regardless of being in the European union unless they have a job to come to then they should not be let in!
Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out.
What a sad state of affairs, when are our politicians going to realize that their calling is to run the country for the good of their constituents, and not to turn a blind eye to what is happening to our once green and pleasant land. If our elected representatives feel that they cannot do the job then they should resign and make way for someone who can.
maybe this will shut george galloway up the stupid man wants this.
Why are they 'being offered' free flights home? Surely, if these people do not have a permanent residence and place of work then the flight home should be compulsory not optional? It's time the UK started to get tough on immigration and ignored the 'human rights' brigade.
uk dumping ground for the riff raff
Is it SO difficult to restrict immigrants entering this country unless they have have written proof of a job and somewhere to live - for at least one year after entry. What is the point of border controls????
No sympathy whatsoever, they don't come from war zones or extreme poverty. Go home.
If the people of this country don't vote UKIP at the next election, to end this shameful misuse of our hospitality, then there will be no end to sights like this. Vote UKIP and get us out of the mess that is the EU.
For goodness sake, why can't we deal with this? It's ridiculous, Mr Cameron, SORT.......IT.......OUT.
Bring back the Iron Curtain! Don't blame the EC - it was the fall of Communism that brought about all this.
If they have no where to go what are they doing in Britain and as they are homeless they arn´t there to work are they?
If they arrive here with no money, no job and nowhere to live, turn them away. If they are going to be a burden on the UK, turn them away. Other countries do.
Tony Blair should be made to clear up after these people- after all, he let them come here.
GET US OUT OF THE EU and send these 'benefit migrants' back to any EU country, we do not want them and we cannot afford them. UKIP we need you.
Cameron ... close our boarders before the rest of them pitch up
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
Labour opened the doors to all this nonsense the Tories haven't got the guts to do anything about it. UKIP is the only alternative left.
And it's only going to get worse!
We either need much stronger anti-vagrancy lwas or for the police to start upholding those that we do have.
It is simple, keep moving em on until they go home. Under EU legislation they must be able to support themselves even if "on holiday" - if they are living on the streets you can kick them out. A standard three-month stay is only valid if you have somewhere to stay. Read the damn laws properly and stop pussyfooting around. The main obstacle is that stupid UK judges have totally misunderstood the human rights legislation and their idiot judgements have created cases of precedence.
Bless their souls.
what about the thousands of british born homeless people?? not worth reporting hey DM
Starting in the Spring of 2014, the Government admits that as many as 150.000 more will be arriving in Britain. Independent estimates are more like 1.7 Million.....
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is.
It's a wonder they haven't been offered mansions in central London isn't it.
Declare yourself homeless and move up the council waiting list, they obviously did their homework before arriving in London
But they are cheaper to employ!
This is so wrong but politicians do nothing.
im pretty sure theres still a lot more UK homeless people, but that's not worth reporting is it DM
The UK is an absolute joke! Glad i left when i did.
Over crowded England come to mind!
They need to camp out on parliament green then our politicians might get the message. Too little is being done and the easiest solution has always been is to move them on to the neighbouring boroughs rather than addressing the issues.
the only place you will never see them is outside a politicians house. But they are pretty much every where else.
May be the Department For International Development will buy them a house. They buy one for everyone else.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have.
This is getting ridiculous, thousands of tax payers money is being spent on clearing up their mess every time!
Well why let them in the country in the first place?
Nowhere to go? How about home?
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane.
Costa Del Crime, was always related to Spain where most of the UK criminals go, but it's the UK that takes all the criminals from everywhere else. What more proof do the government need that the EU is not, and never will work for the UK. But having said that, we only have wimps running the UK, and not politicians who are dedicated to looking after the country, there all in it for the money and fame.
And there are people in this country who will be accusing the police of institutional racism for putting these charming visitors from abroad on a list of wanted criminals. They'll tell us that these fundamentally decent lads left their home countries to come here and make a fresh start but are being persecuted by intolerant and bigoted facist rightwing nationalist swine. That's if someone asks. Otherwise they'll just pretend that it's not happening. For certain you'll never get Clegg explaining how this is one of the wonderful benefits of EU membership that's easily worth fifty million a day.
I am really annoyed reading this comments. Frankly one of my relatives happened to be a head of special police unite in warsaw responsible for chasing wanted criminals. We`ve had conversation recently about Polish criminals wanted in Poland staying in England: Polish police managed to find them here in UK, provided Scotland Yard with addresses and asked just to arrest them.What happened? They cannot be arrested due to some silly human rights. I don`t really want to go into more details but maybe someone will read it and do something about it? I agree that all this scum should be returned to the place where they coming from and they are not eligible for any rights. They breached the social codes so why award them with any??
This is no surprise, as the Eastern European countries empties their prisons of their most violent prisoners and sent them on a one-way ticket over to us. They cleaned their records to hide their criminal past. Thank you Tony Blair and Brussels!
UK = European prison island!
We have enough of our own scum with no understanding of the ten commandments "" THE BASIC RULES OF A SOCIETY "" ( forget the church ,,,,) these people don't understand how to live with others that's why they are here ,,,,because our the politicians dont understand either,,,
Ahh the benefits of unfettered immigration and being in the EU are without measure, we've got them all, benefit fraudsters , thieves, pick pockets, rapists murderers, torturers etc etc and all of them here to stay, Tony Blair must be really proud of how he's turned this country into the dumping ground of the world, a safe haven for every piece of scum from anywhere, his motive was to change the face of Britian forever and rub the far rights noses in it, well he's certainly done that alright, along with every other decent British citizen
Some countrys import goods, GREAT britian imports the scumbags of europe,and then cant get rid of them.Is that what politician are paid for? I never knew that Vee.
And many more white collar criminals.
Border controls need tightening.... - she,, somewhere, 24/1/2012 --------------- What a ridiculous statement to make. We all know this so I am sure we don';' need someone to keep repeating the same thing over and over. Your statement means about as much as someone commenting that petrol is going up again. Bob, england, 24/1/2012 16:38--------------------On the other hand, this is the best statement I have read on DM online for a long time. You have hit the nail firmly on the head when you say "border controls should never be surrendered to anyone" and that is exactly what Brown and Blair did with our borders and look at the trouble they have caused and the danger they have brought to us. Their handywork has cost the taxpayer billions in welfare and legal aid and there are dangerous criminals wandering around our streets and living amongst us. Isn't it time that Blair and Brown were brought to book over what they have done to this country.
Thanks to Blair and his fellow traitors, all Britain has become is a penal colony for Europe. With the USA it was "Give me your tired, your poor your huddled masses...." Blair's Britain started with "Give me your benefit scroungers, criminals and serial murderers". Put the Law of Treason back on the statute books and put Blair on trial for treason and crimes against the state, along with a few of his henchmen like Hain and Brown.
Couldn't help seeing a stupid comment just now,' how about UK criminals in europe. Why would anyone, unless they've nicked a few mill, leave the benefits of the UK, no Romania is now a much safer place, as are many EU countrys, when Labour opened our borders to the World the entry rush was led by criminals. I'm just surprised the list of 14 contains only 12 of them.
What about there Human Rights to work ,rest and play in GREAT BRITAIN.
HOW DO THESE SCUM GET VISAS TO ENTER THE UNITED KINGDOM IN THE FIRST PLACE ???????????????????????????????? GET RID TIGHTER BORDER CONTROLS NEEDED
what lovely people we now have in the uk, what exactly do the border control do? thought they were employed to do a good job? think they need lessons from the australians who check everything, passports, the lot, if anyone watches nothing to declare you will know what i mean here. but its true what people are saying here, when they do eventually get caught, all they have to do is cry human rights what about my human rights,its disgusting,no wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.anyone can just waltz in to the country.get a grip cameron, you were elected to govern the country,so do it please,before there are victims of those yobs over here.
Is UK becoming a haven for criminals! Take care of yourself and your children!
12 out of 14 most wanted are Eastern European, that means if we did not have the benefits of EU membership the police would be looking for just 2.
The Council of Europe is what conects everything bad. The European Court of Human Rights, which enforces the European Convention on Human Rights being one of the main bodies of the council. Set up by among others BRITAIN in 1949 by the Treaty of London. It's this european institution that is at fault an institution established by Britain that has outlasted its usefulness decades ago and needs to be disbanded.
In this modern age why can it not be checked .
Help the ugly mob .
Oh they are all so pretty. NOT. None of this surprises me. Yes check the unemployment benefits and housing benefits register and find them on there.
I am sick of hearing about the EU all it has done for this Country is costing us Billions of pounds, and we seem to get all the scum of Europe living here scrounging off and committing crimes.. What I want to know is what the bloody hell are you going to do about it.
Why can't we do what the Yanks do and finger print/eye scan everyone that comes through every airport/port? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.....
The UK has an open door policy to everyone. EU Human rights dictates that you must be allowed to stay in the UK, freeload, scrounge benefits and commit crimes at will, even if you're an islamic terrorist or serial killer.
Looks like we really need a mutli national, multi cultural society like we need a hole in our heads. We have enough home grown criminals without importing foreign ones
We have enough problems with own, home-grown criminals without importing more from abroad.
surprised---NOT
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England.
'The countries where these crimes happened want these men back to face justice for these offences and it is in the interests of London to help find them.' Well U aint having um ... after all its there... uman rite, innit.
Nooo..! Surely this is wrong...? Do you mean to say that the treaties and agreements that the 'New Lax Left' signed us up for meant that we sleep-walked into allowing these animal nut-jobs to just walk into the UK...? That B.Liar, Plunkitt and Co. actually encouraged these people here, using terms like..'we need ethnic diversity..' and 'As our population proportionately gets older, we need people to replace our decreasing working population...' back in the early 2000's....? That the chaotic immigration system instigated by Labour meant that border control became a joke...? Do you mean that the figures released last year, showing a massive increase in crime, county by county, caused by immigrants from predominately eastern Europe ....is TRUE....? Read it and weep folks....you voted for it.
Everyone is welcomed to England as according to this unelected Government these criminals from europe work far harder than their British competitors.
Fantastic isn't it. The UK overrun by violent immigrant criminals all at the expense of an island. The sooner we have a BNP government for a year or two who can clean up the UK and get rid of all these violent criminals, and the BNP WOULD send them back to their country, at the same time as closing the borders so no more can get in, imagine it just for a minute - wonderful - well it's either that or as someone else put it in another comment, a revolution.
Try getting into the USA, even with just a drink-driving conviction. You might be lucky. Overstay your 90 day visit there - you'll be hunted down and mercilessly locked in a dungeon awaiting being hoofed out. Comeon, we are trying to emulate the USA as much as we can.
its what i said over 20 yrs ago if this country truely becomes a part of the euro, this country will become europe's then the worlds prison, the security cameras are being fitted and those wind farm struts are excellent forcefield barriers, with the chunnel for access to and from, resistance is not futile...
What a surprise, with the UK Borders Agency leaving our doors open for all to arrive without proper criminal and medical checks, we have some of the worst criminals and unhealthy people from Europe, all winging their way to a bedsit or benefit heaven accommodation paid for by the UK Taxpayer. West London has their fair share of good eastern europeans, working hard, paying their way and living normal quiet lives. When you hear you Polish neighbour criticising other Polish for being lazy, good for nothing scum, there really is a problem. My neighbours have Polish local papers sent to them by their parents which details local criminals and they regularly keep in touch with Polish life through the internet - They have said they would not hesitate to call the police if they see or hear of a known criminal in the UK.
I did wonder what all the benefits of being in the EU our lefty politicians keep telling us. Now I know, silly me.........
Tony Blair is entirely responsible for this!
Thank you Labour for allowing these SCUM into our Country.
Grubbie Britain again - Europe's festering armpit.
All the prats stating they we have done far worse to the costa del crime, surely it's up to the Spanish, to police there borders, and arrest wanted criminals, and us to do like wise. Also I seem to recall most of are criminals over there, were hiding in plain sight, spending there I'll gotten gains in there bars. The filth we've got will be claiming benefits, dealing drugs, and screaming human rights when caught ! SCUM
They are only looking for them to give them a house and benefits.
hardly ever see a policeman or his car..When I do it is usually parked in Macdonald Burger car park
Ah that will be the benefits of multi culturism, and diversity that immigration brings to the country. Good ole Tony Blair told us all about it !. The lying filthy maggot that he is
I wonder how long ago these pics were taken. No4 looks very familiar, but a bit slimmer now.
The police have enough domestic crimes to deal with without having the problem of foreign criminals roaming about the UK. How long will they be able to cope with the extra burdens being placed upon them? When will those in power do something about the UK's porous borders?
are you sure about who they are as to me they have the look of contestants in 2012 UK's got talent
WHEN CAUGHT MOVE THEM IN WITH KEN CLARKE HE LOVE THEM........ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
that reminds me i need to get my car cleaned in the morning
what an evil looking bunch of wasters,line them all up against the wall and shoot them ,save the tax payers money.
It's one thing letting all the polish, romanian etc citizens into the UK, but criminals? Why isn't there a rule in place which stipulates NO CRIMINALS! It should be simple...if you have commited a crime then NO ENTRY! No doubt these are the people who are claiming benefits aswell - I doubt they work..... and they probably commit crimes here in UK and end up in prison at expense of taxpayers. What the hell is going on??? SORT IT ..
This is Labour's legacy
Not one of them is English. Why the hell were they allowed in our Country in the first place?
If caught, they'll only be kept here, living comfortably in prison on tax payers money due to their "human rights". This place is a joke.
They are probably all living in London, next to a police station. carrying on with their life of crime whilst collecting a host of benefits courtesy of the long suffering taxpayer. It should be noted that all those who let this kind of thing happen, all work in the Public Sector!
Why bother? They won't or can't be deported. All that will happen is that the UK taxpayer will end up subsidise their break in HMP Butlins and paying their legal fees to stay here.
Don't forget the ones from Georgia, Chechnia, Russia and Ukraine hiding in the wings, they are also not in the EU but have been allowed into the UK.
When caught send them with their bundles to a prominent Lib Dem, they will appreciate them.
Deport ! Deport ! Deport !
I'm shocked to think we even have pictures of them,do we have to lock them up? they will only complain, then we will have to pay out even more money for their hurt feelings.
Thank you labour voters.
What did Cameron say about ensuring our borders would be secure? How long does he propose to wait before implementing this promise.
The ones that said this would happen were threatened with arrest for racism.
CRIMINALS IMPORTED BY OTHER CRIMINALS.
What is going on with this Country we let the dregs of society in.
These people thrived under a Labour government, every politician involved shouid be prosecuted.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/01/2012 17:14 And that is our problem because............?
All this thanks to the EU, we really need these scum like they need a bullet in the head...
Put all those mugshots on the big poster boards that are in every town in the land and with a big reward. Oh and put them up in every benefits office because they will all be claiming. And bring back HANGING.
The reason you don't see Blair or Cameron on there, is because they are on Britain's MOST UNWANTED LIST.
I bet their all on the dole!
they are living somemwhere, so if they are picking up benifits and housing benifits, the authorities know where they are, but it will be a waste of time and money to go out and catch them, as after they are caught you will have every lawyer in the country fighting to keep them in the UK,, and as for prison that is a joke,as the sentance they would get wouldbe laughable. oh don't forget they will have the "Human Rights" on their side as well. also the PC brigade will be have their say as well. that is the UK today, I also note that they are all immigrants, so the jUdges will have the last say if they can remain in the UK and we know the answer to that will be yes. for thoses criminals it will be win win all the way and they know that.
Another success story for the EU loving government! Traitors!!
scum of the earth free to roam england.
Welcome to today's Britain, where the dregs of society have been allowed in. Immigration Service ??? non existent, just let them in we can't be bothered.
Who the hell let them in anyway? We have become the dumping ground of Europe and we can't get rid of them because of their "rights". What has happened to this once great land?
Since when was Georgia in East Europe?
Just go to their local dole office
They probably took a look at the British riots last summer and thought what the hell is this place we came to and left.-----------------------then again,after seeing the' tributes' paid to the British criminals who passed away,lots of British love their gangsters and thought Britain is the place for them......and they would be correct.
whats the point wasting money and time of the Police tracking them down when trying to bring them to justice will only contravene their human rights and they will never be made to pay for their crimes
Probably selling "Big Issues"
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14 What a pathetic, uneducated comment. British police are always publishing Britains wanted in Spanish newspapers.
And if they catch them, what will they do? We cannot deport or extradite them, they have 'Uman Rights, the God sent saviour of every criminal. However, they may rest easy, our authorites cannot even catch a cold, and if they do, the lawyers will queue up to defend them and get them out on bail.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14==================== Trust the Social Marxists to want a balanced view!
Are they all out there flogging 'The Big Issue' ?
And they said we need them for our economy, believe that believe anythingwe have more then enough, unenployed and getting worse,
What's the point??!! Nothing will happen to them anyway...human rights etc. they'll all have cats/dogs and hundreds of kids with many different stupid women so their "right to a family life" will be the first consideration. Even though they've all ruined thousands of others family lives whilst in the UK....
So we have 10 of the most wanted fugitives on the loose in the UK. Wonder how they got in in the first place. Hopefully they will be caught and removed to face justice in there own country. IT WOULD be very nice to think that our legal system does not try to mess things up with Human rights I dont hold out much hope of common sence ruling the day, but I live in hope.
Well now,UK is so unbelievably easy to enter,that we now have all European most wanted here,they all know just the place to hide and lie low, comfortably on benifits,yes UK is an safe haven for such as this lot.All down to lazy,very lax border controls run by a stupid Govt following EU orders.All in it together, yes right down the pan.
I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing about East European (Romanians in particular) all over newspapers/tv and I am Romanian.If they work legally in UK they should have documents,if they dont have dont let them in.If they come as tourists then they should be able to prove that .i.e accomodation/return ticket etc. With regards to those scumbags i will be more then happy to help the goverment to catch them. FYI not all East Europeans are bad.
Whats the point, we haven't the power's to deport them, our masters in Brussels will not allow it.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/01/2012 17:14 Are we supposed to sort out the rest of europe as well? We can have them back but let the countries they are hiding in round them up, just as we are doing here in "littlle England" .
Britian the dumping ground of Europe,everybodies welcome if its not given to you just steal it nothing will happen if somebody gets in your way see them off nothing will happen how on earth has the ONCE Great Britain got into this state where any evil criminal ( or indeed anyone else ) can just walk in !!!!!!!
"How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England." - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14 >>>>>>>Yes and the incoming lane has far more traffic in it than the outgoing.....
Border Controls were certainly doing their job, weren't they, by letting them in ?? Just check the Council House list and the benefit office and you'll find we are keeping them in luxury... Let our ex military control our borders, I think we would see a big, big difference.....
Isn't it weird how they look like the same man in the mughots, taken at different times of his life (and weight)?
Wouldnt we be better employed making our borders tighter and preventing them getting into the UK in the first place or is that too shocking a statement in this politicaly correct enclave of Strasbourg?
It's reassuring to know that the Tories have been so successful in securing our nation's borders......
My god what a bunch of neandrathuals!I wonder how many more criminals are hiding out in this country?
Support a Party with some backbone, vote UKIP next time around.
Remember this when it's time to vote. Lib/Lab/Con all do nothing which is why I will vote UKIP. I want my country OUT OF THE EU AND BRITAIN to sort its own laws and border controls out and start putting laws into place to keep criminals out. We have enough of our own.
Of cause they are in the uk were else would they be, not in Tony Blairs house I bet, thankyou Labour for letting these people in just to get a vote to stay in power you destroyed this country all on your own.
Looks like plenty of business for the flourishing human rights lawyers!
Even when they are apprehended what's their chances of permanent deportation. Especially once the soft human rights jockeys get on their high horses, not to mention prosecution for any crimes they'll have undoubtedly committed over here. But this is the land of milk and honey to the underneath - a- lorry brigade.
Don't lose sight of reality. Humans are humans, no matter if polish, british or americans. You will find good and bad everywhere. Please be aware that there are many british criminals who ran away from justice and are sitting somewhere else in the EU... maybe in Poland, Spain, Portugal.... or am I wrong? The most important thing is to have a good system to catch all criminals, no matter where they come from and make them pay properly for their crimes.
Is that all or is this the tip of the iceberg.
Try looking in the prisons as well, they may already be there under a different name. If they were wanted by Interpol how come their passports weren't checked when they entered Britain, that's assuming it wasn't false to begin with. Time to start fingerprinting everyone when they come into the country and they don't get to leave the port or airport until they are run through the databases.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England.
Dont blame the EU - blame our lazy authorities - Georgia and Albania are not EU members
dont see cameron or blair on there
Good old UK. The dustbin and laughing stock of the world.
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FIND THEM? SENTENCE THEM TO HOUSE ARREST IN BLAIR'S MANSION. I BELIEVE HE'S GOT THE ROOM.
Dave, Leeds, I'm sure there's lots of low life British scum in Europe....I'm talking about the above "Low life scum" who are here. What's so hard to understand ?...
Check the benefits register then you'll find them!
fistly how do they get past customs, do we have east europeans checking passengers now. if caught then what happens, they use the human rights law and then are allowed to stay here. then they will claim benefits and the lawyers and translators make mega bucks. whilst the tax payers pot gets less and less.
Anyone else want to bet even if they do get caught, some Human Rights Legistlation will prevent them being deported. If they are in the UK, they are here to stay.
bet most of live here in peterborough
Isn't it wonderful. We are world leaders in the breeding of chavs and criminals but yet successive Governments in their wisdom decide that we don't have enough of them so they top up by importing from Europe and reward them by putting them on benefits. Has there ever been a more crazy, incompetent country ever in the history of this planet?
Maybe we should adopt the same methods as the Australian government!
I wonder how many of these scumbags would be protected by Tony (night in shining armour) Bliar's 'Human' Rights act????????????????????What a clown.
Oh those poor poor Romanians. Lets give them houses and feed them as they can't help being criminals can they? I expect Mr. Blair, who loves them and invited them all to live in Britain will share his nice home with them.
If they are wanted back home, the extradition arrangements mean they can easily be sent back to another EU country. Why is it in Britain the police and authorities are so useless when it comes to tracking down and arresting wanted criminals like these? They seem to disappear into the woodwork, and are all probably claiming large amounts in benefits with assumed identities.
So we catch them; then what will 'we' do? Wouldn't want to send them back, they might be punished bless their cotton socks! They have rights doncha know!
Aren't we lucky that EU rules allow just any dross to come and live in this country? And our governments, past and present, welcome immigration and do nothing to safeguard the population.
Border controls need tightening.... - she,, somewhere, 24/1/2012 there are no border controls for EU member states all people in the EU can come and go as they please , you cant keep EU criminals out, Blair signed are controls away to the EU. Border controls should never be surrendered to anyone
just think, this open door policy was nothing to do with european rules (certain countries had an opt out, we didnt apply) this was all about flooding the job market with cheap imports to drive the wages of the lowest paid in society down, regardless of the cost to society (no criminal record checks for eastern european workers) funny how you never see eastern european chief executives of traders, who'll do it for half the price or no bonuses, or god forbid, no honours every new year
MOST WILL HAVE A CAT OR A BUDGIE BY NOW SO THEREFORE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE SENT BACK! ALL C**P PLEASE COME TO BRITAIN!
Made possible by our useless politicians, assisted by immigration lawyers who will readily serve any foreigner threatened with deportation. All on legal aid, of course.
isnt it comforting to know these scumbags are at large in our green and pleasant land . uk border force get a grip
Some of these comments are so ignorant. "Oh the benefits of the EU"... "Why let this scum into the country?" etc.... Now you know how Spain feels with having their coasts immersed with the biggest thugs Britain has to offer......
ShouldnÂ’t the headline be. Living in a council house near you ---ect
You know the sad part about this story, apart from this scum being allowed in to the Uk in the first place, is that even if their caught there will be a thousand and one lawyers, solicitors and bleeding heart groups demanding that they are allowed to stay in the Uk. Even sadder is the fact the judiciary will agree with them. British citizens are a down trodden minority. Will any one fight our cause??????????
"Welcome to England"- me, Maidstone uk___________Um and Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland. I cry for this country. Why people are having children is beyond me, what do you think it will be like when they grow up?
Why bother catching them? If they are caught, then human rights will kick in and they will be given free accommodation and benefits.
SO what if they are found ! Nothing can be done to them due to they probably have cats or even play cricket.
Britain is now the dumping ground for the filth and scum who are welcome no where else on the planet.
The government should be sued for infringing the basic human rights of decent, law abiding, tax paying people - that is the right not to live in fear of these feral feckless migrants they have deliberately allowed to come into our once great nation unchecked, not vetted & unmonitored by our incompetent politicians & its public servants.
And I'm sure other countries; like Spain, have enjoyed playing host to large numbers of our hardcore criminals over the years. It's hardly news is it? 'criminals escape their own countries' like that's something new. I'm sure there are plenty of Eastern European criminals holed up in countries all over the world. In the same way that there are no doubt plenty of UK criminals doing the same. Just another non-story for the permanently outraged to enjoy. Oh, but of course it's the DM website so nothing new there then.
None of the three parties care. They only want more in. We know who to vote for in 2015 if Britain is still in existence! Thank you Blair and Labour. Traitors.
courtesy of the eu, all the crap comes into britain, and no doubt on massive benefits, and of course with the court of human rights on their side
Labours idea of a multi-cultural Britain.
What about the home grown scum like the rioters? So many of them have just got away with it. We need to clean up our native filth as well.
Ahh the joy of open borders...nice one - Matt, London ................and how many low-life British scumbags are living in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Holland, etc.... evading British Justice
As if we dont have enough of our own scum
The joys of the EU eh? - - Rob, England, 24/1/2012 15:38 Albania and Georgia are hardly members of the EU.
LIVING IT UP COURTESY OF US THE WORKING BRITISH!!!
And when the resources have been used and spent to catch these people some judge somewhere will let them off and allow them to stay here.....One sick country!
We are second to none on refugees.We welcome them with open arms.
Theres another good enough reason to leave the EU
Welcome to England
All thanks to Blair and his "Open door" policy-he should be sent the bill for apprehending these beauties.
Have a look at the scum in England and i bet its way worse.. !!!
Ah yes, the blair/brown multicultural open door policy is now spurning its very own Frankenstein's monster - thanks a million nu-labor.
What happens to them when plod catches them?
We pay £60million per day as subs to belong to this corrupt club...and this is what we get in return. The government has a duty of care to the British people and they are failing to protect us on every level.
I suspect these lovelies are just the tip of the ice berg. Come one, come all, We're daft here.
Border controls need tightening....
I suspect these lovelies are just the tip of the ice berg. Come one, come all, We're daft here.
Don't forget about Pests from the West either.
The joys of the EU eh?
Blimey, I thought at first it was a photo of another load of crooks - Labour's front bench!
charmers!
"Tracking down 10 most wanted European fugitives on the run in Britain"...Well have you tried the DHSS Office or the Big Issue seller on the street corner. Failing that try the most expensive villa in the area.
How many from eastern europe?!!! -good job we dont have open borders to the EU .... DOH!!!!!
Ahh the joys of open borders...nice one
some lovely looking lads there.
Once again govt's are putting the lives of the indigenous at risk, they should be ashamed of themselves. I thought that when we got rid of the vile, destructive Labour Party... things would change...it seems not. isn't it a government's job to protect it's people - well it's time they started doing that, because we have had enough of them all letting in despicable people like this.
Oh, the benefits of EU membership and 'uman rites?
UK you made your bed now lie in it. UK wil never be the same anymore
The result of letting Tony BLiar and his gang run riot for 13 years, although the new Emperor in number ten doesn't seem any better.
We do let some scum into this country
Bet they are living in council houses and claiming too.
When did Albania and Georgia join the EU?
Looking at the pictures, you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bunch of guys, could you? And this is only the eleven they know about - or tell us about - from eastern Europe. What about those from the rest of the world?
I am sick and tired of hearing about everything being racist this and racist that.
So what are they doing about his fish thefts?
A bit of communication could do magic, if someone wants to take a fish with them than try to encourage them to go fishing in the sea. Instead of harassing try to educate that in UK not taking the fish is a habit and general rule.
Look, its the pro-doscrimination crowd. Fighting for their right to judge people based on their nationailty! Its funny really.
My ten-year-old was astonished and shocked to see it.¿ -- Yeah, that's believable, a 10 year old boy shocked and astonished, absolute rubbish!
"my 10 year old was shocked to see it"..get a grip...i think you lie....
Surely it's against their Human Rights NOT to have it translated in to umpteen languages at, as usual, massive expense to us?
Reminds me of the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs you used to see in pubs years ago. Disgusting attitude. I thought we were passed this
The guy is Racist. Should get the good lesson.
I'm not at all surprised by this. It seems that today the police's main concern is to stay within ridiculous PC guidelines rather than catch the criminals who are stealing this mans property. What a joke.
This word racist is so ridiculously overused - and wrongly used for that matter. Most Eastern Europeans are exactly the same race as the so-called 'White British.' is not that they are a different race that is a problem but the fact that they have an entirely different culture.
FGS stop using the word racist if anything its discrimination.
It's his land, he should be able to do whatever he wants with it.
These labels are flung around so casually by the left and they are never held to explain or justify them. In the current almost hysterical climate of being "offense averse" the mere labelling of someone as racist or fascist or homophobic or islamophobic is often enough to stifle all further discussion. But those using these labels should be called upon to explain and justify them. In this case the man in question has been labelled by some correspondents as racist, some even calling for him to be prosecuted. The sign specified "East Europeans" so is "East European" accepted as a racial or ethnic grouping? If so into what category does it fall? Is it some previously unidentified subset of the Slavic races? But not all east Europeans are Slavic etc etc. The absurd example is to call anti Islamic comments as racist, as one of the boasts of Islam is that it has followers of all races. Hold those who use such labels to account and demand they explain their (mis)use of them.
It's a wonder the Police didn't trip over their size twelves and claim compensation.
Blame the inertia of the police.
Plenty of fishermen catch and remove the carp from fishing lakes here in France. And most of those are French and NOT from Eastern Europe. There are rules about the size of fish which can be taken, but many just ignore those. We also caught some French men wading in the river on OUR property. They were catching fish with their hands by shooing them into the banks prior to stealing them. So people of all nationalities can be capable of the same crime. That is why this gentleman's sign cannot be correct, as it generalises about ALL members of a particular nationality or ethnic group.
How can this be a racist hate crime? It's not racist, it's technically xenophobia which isn't racist. Obviously plod hasn't anything better to do. I'd have to told plod where to go
Last time I looked east Europeans were indeed Europeans, like me. So how can it be a race crime when we are the same race? Nationality does not equate to a different race. I'm sick of this utter frivolous nonsense by the police. Did one of them try to sue him too? Go and catch the fish thieves.
"call the police"? .....hahahahahaha... Bad idea cartier! He'll be arrested and taken away for his non PC opinion and then all the fish will be stolen in his absence. For those who feel this man is wrong about who is sealing his fish I would like to point out that as a rule the British have never been Carp eaters even though carp have been available here for years. Carp, however are most definitely on the menu in Eastern Europe. Carp and chips.... no thanks. Glen .... Southampton.
At the end of the day it is his fishing lake, he owns it, he bought it, he runs it. If he knows or sees or hears that Americans (for example) are stealing his fish he is entitled to ban Americans from fishing at his lake.
Since when have eastern Europeans been another race? Same as when the police say having a go at Islam is racist, no it's not. Islam is a religion not a race of people.
This is a typical example of discrimination against nationality. Website says ''Fishing at Dog Lane is available to anyone with a valid EA Licence and who purchases a Day Ticket''. I he want to ban fishing he would have to do it for everyone not just for his chosen group of people. Just wonder what is going to happen when ,great-grandfather Eddie Whitehead , will need an emergency ambulance and it will arrive with Eastern European doctor on board!
is there any real news in this paper today? or any day for that matter.
Ha Ha, Call the Police, it will take them forever to respond, if they respond at all, to busy filling in bail forms for Burglers, and robbers.
Well as I see it if he owns the property then he is entitled to say who may and who may not enter
Maybe he should put a sign up to the effect "No Entry to people who haven't lived in the area for three years or more" and turn a blind eye to the British who haven't. That should keep the great British Police force off his back.
A sign saying "No Carp Stealing" would have been more appropriate. Then again, that would probably be fish-ist.
Funny, on one hand, but then again, how does he know who is from Eastern Europe and who isn't? Many people over here look pretty much the same as the English do, you know? If I sat down on the bench, would he just come to me and ask me to ID myself? :D
All anglers have known this for a number of years . Thing is if you say anything your classed as a racist Wake up Britain before its too late I know who I shall be voting for . UKIP SPEAKS MY LANGUAGE And I am nor a racist
eddie whitehead your not breaking the law for stopping them from fishing if its your private property.your in the same situation when a landowner stopped them fishing on his lake in oxfordshire and cleaned out all the fish in it 'you are in your right to put the sign up..and have who you want to fish in it, .
No dogs, No Irish, No blacks... and now No Eastern Europeans. I suppose Mr Eddie never leaves UK as he is gravely scared of any non British people. P.S. If he is rich enough to own a fishing lake he should invest in fence.
Why not write a country? Eastern Europe is big with many countries. Not every Eastern European countries people are bad and steal. Some do have laws about fishing. I know that in Slovenia it is not allowed to fish in lakes and rivers without a licence. You're not even allowed to throw a bait, catch a fish and release it. It's stupid to post a sign like that. It's as if in Greece they would put a sign in a street "No western Europeans" because British teens drink en mass and cause havoc.
"He Claims" so, trial by media and guilty!
Send the European anglers to Australia for fishing trips. Carp here are in plague proportions that's big fish, fish not sprats. Imagine all the carp you can eat all in the freezer on the return trip. Its illegal to return carp caught back to the water. i remember Menindee lakes, carcases along the bank!!!!
Fair play to the bloke fish stealing is rife since we had mass immigration forced upon us! why shouldn't he ban them? Anyone who goes fishing knows how bad its getting. The swans are going missing as well! The loony lefties need to wake up!
All you PC lovies can whine as much as you like it being racist and how it's not the fault of eastern Europeans, but as I am married to a Pole I will tell you something. It most certainly IS eastern Europeans stealing his fish. No one in Britain has eaten carp or pike since the dark ages. In fact, it is very difficult to buy here because of this. But my other half loves it, especially carp at festive times like Christmas. Big carp in a fishery are expensive. Some are worth thousands of pounds!! And that's not counting the revenue that people knowing you have big fish to catch will bring - £20 a day to sit by a high quality lake and fish down here in the south. The police will inevitably do nothing at all to help this guy. They would stand by and defend the 'Uman Rites of the criminals rather than prosecute them as thieves. So what choice does he have? Putting up a sign saying "pretty please don't eat my fish" in as many languages as you like will do nothing.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto............- thommo , solihull, 10/4/2013 please tell me you are planning to emigrate very soon, over the top PC people like you have ruined this country. I am an angler and some Eastern Europeans are a problem as coarse fish are part of their diet and they see it as a free meal.
Considering the plethora of laws you Brits have....I'm surprised you don't have one about promoting hatred!
a passer by was shocked when he saw the sign all i can say is go get a life
More power to your elbow mate.
In my country he would get a FAT fine and would be excluded from community.
I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please! - kate, austria, 10/4/2013 17:27 Thanks God continental europe has more intelligent people. I think only frustrated people could give you red arrows .
I am British and I hate Britain, does that make me a racist?
I got red arrowed for my comment, but was not surprised. Strange that just a few people have said this man, instead of putting up signs, should install CCTV, ask police to patrol the area more frequently, or put up a fence and instead of searching vehicles that leave (can he do that legally?), he should charge a fee for entry on his private property and fishing there, if it's his livelihood and investment at stake. Far fewer people would go there, and hardly any to steal fish, irrespective of which country they come from.
come and live in boston,i dont think we have any fish or ducks left
The only people I ever see fishing the River Trent during the close season are all eastern europeans. They do take pike for the pot. They also plead ignorance of our fisheries byelaws. I'm not surprised he's put the sign up, makes things simple ad straightforward.
good for him, i would do the same thing too,
" you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing"----------Funny how often people who stick ignorant and racist together in a sentence are themselves ignorant about what racism (or race) is. If he'd put up a sign saying "no people with shaved heads", would that be ignorant and racist too?
"Reminds me of the no Jews signs I read about before the Germans start throwing them in Ovens... - Andy , Kingston, 10/4/2013 15:49

Reminds me of signs that say ""no tresspassing"" or ""only 4 children in the shop"" or ""no poaching"" ""no admittance to people with dirty boots"". It is nothing to do with the holocaust and it is offensive to hijack that awful offence for something completely different."
I totally support the chap, my local river as been plundered by Eastern Europeans, and yes i have proof, i've seen them with my own eyes. Carp apparently is a favoured dish in Eastern Europe so naturally they are going to raid our rivers and lakes, thats the problem with multiculturism, they bring their own culture over with them and as you should know, you complain and you're branded a 'waycist'.
Nice one......
If people want to live in the UK then they should abide by UK laws and not their own!
It's private property and as such he can refuse entry to whoever he likes.
What people need to understand is that fish caught from fisheries of this nature are always returned alive. People pay for the right to catch fish maybe take a photo of their catch, thats it. People from eastern europe find this mind-set incomprehensible, you go fishing and eat what you catch. The same problem has been experianced in our inner city park lakes but doesnt stop at fish as the diminishing swan population will testify. So I feel Eddie Whitehead is perfectly within his rights to ban whomever he likes from his water and simply trying to protect his busnes and people crying out about racism need to have a long hard honest look at the situation.
This man is pefectly right!!!!
Since he owns the property, close the lake to everone. Problem solved.
Nice to see all the leftist out in force - ooohhh it's racist... What utter twaddle? We used to have swans near where i live, that is until certain people killed them and ate them..
East Europeans are white caucasians same as the pond owner and therefore cannot be racist ? His sign should have read " no white people" and therefore everyone would be happy and say nothing ?
Perhaps ' no stealing fish' would be better. After all no one has been caught
I felt badly reading this. I am Polish sometimes visiting your country, never fishing neither here nor there. Will I be checked and brought to police if I go for a walk there by accident? I assure you, that fishing without permission is strictly forbidden in Poland. Simply if you fish you have to have a valid document of fisher's union and never ever do it outside places where it's allowed. Of course we have poachers. But they are prosecuted like in any other country. Let me know why oh why don't you find this note racist? Because I am the same race as you are? Which race of Britons do you mean? If it's not racist, probably it's pure linguistics, but still not fair. Civilised owner would write "no fishing", " thieves will be prosecuted" or something like this. That's a shame.
Stop 'carping' on and install security cameras round the lake?
I do have a certain sympathy with him. A local charity has a fishing lake for disadvantaged children and they have restocked it twice. They did catch two thieves and yes they were Polish, they'd come off the farms nearby. Think the wages are so low they have to find alternative ways of eating.
Good for him.
Good luck mate I banned Eastern Europeans off my lake a few years back,the ban is still on they didn't have the bottle to take me to court. Stick with it. Tony @ Trentside fishery Grimsby
His lake, his rules . It is happening all over the country. Swans are also being shot and eaten . Do you think that British people are doing that ? Maybe CCTV would help ?
Serves him right, making money off living creatures. He's not worried about the fish's welfare/livlihood when he sells them, is he?
What a nice bloke
Even the DM notes that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's Eastern Europeans. The fish are probably dying after looking at that miserable owner's face.
This has been going on for years. My Polish next door neighbour has two pike heads nailed to the door of his shed. Bizarrely it's still legal to take fish from rivers (never met a fisherman who agrees with it) if of a certain size/number but taking anything other than those allowed is an offence. Fish can only be taken from still waters with written permission of the owner or club. He should check rod licences and report any who do not have one to the EA hotline immediately. More chance of them getting a £2.5k fine for no licence than taking his fish sadly. Just another culture clash.
Well, yes, in Eastern European cultures there are such practices, it's cultural matter, someone that goes fishing can take home some fish for the table but within a decent limit and only if he/she has a fishing permit. Plus you cannot fish any time you like to - this is somehow restricted by law, when it is time for fish to lay eggs fishing is forbidden, and people that do so in such periods are fined. So don't imagine that things happen just like that, nature is protected, and so are fish species. And true fishermen always respect that. Nevertheless such unhappy events take place, you could ask police to interfere and solve the problem no matter nationality and problem is solved faster than showing off announces that could only instigate and develop felings of hate between people no matter their nationality. There more decent ways to solve such problems but this means to take some social responsibility as well.
Look, they were caught red handed at my local fishery and suddenly they all stopped going because the owner decided to watch them all. No chance of fish? No chance of them bothering to fish was the result
The East European Race that's a new one.
The usual suspect blamed by fishing lake owners for disappearing fish is an otter followed by calls to kill all local otters. Perhaps he should get some security cameras to determine the fish taker. Claim for losses caused by "unseen" thieves can be made on insurance but unless he has a good policy otter loses are not covered.
We need to ensure that we are not violating their human rights in any way.
It is not racist. It is culturalist. It is recognition that cultural differences and attitudes can affect how well people blend with each other.
Forget the rest of the story. This is racist and its clearly illegal. I trust the DM have reported this to the police and handed in the evidence?
'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please!
How can the sign be racist? It doesn't mention any race. If anything, it's East European-ist. As for calling the police - they'd only be interested if the fish were exceeding the speed limit or parked on yellow lines.
As an Eastern European I hate to read/hear such stories. How desperate do you have to be to steal someones fish from a pond to eat it?! I mean people keep fish they catch in Poland if they pay some licence or something. But that's in Poland and here is Britain but some clearly don't care.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto..............
"Nothing racist" reminds me of Apartheid-signs "White people only" or Nazi discrimination "Not for Jews" with similar explanations. Nip things in the bud!
Goo on yer mate.
I am Eastern European, working in the UK for 9 years, currently completing my PhD and looking forward to become an academic. I am not a scam, I don't claim benefits, don't smuggle cigarettes, don't steal fish etc! Can you please stop harassing me! It is absolutely ridiculous to pick on Eastern Europeans all the time without any reason. British people commit crimes, drink excessively, steal things (like my coat last week in the nightclub) so they are ALSO not perfect. What I recently observe in the media is an unprecedented attack on people who practically share the same values as British and I simply cannot understand all the hate towards us. There are so many minorities in the UK and only Eastern Europeans are targeted by the campaign full of prejudice and very full of lies.
he doesn't know the ethnicity of the fish thieves, it could be anyone struggling with trying to pay their bedroom tax and increase in council tax payments.
In Ireland , their at it whole time, the amount of Pike { a protected species} taken is giving cause for concern ,,THe Dept of Fisheries is fighting a silent battle with them , I wonder what would happen if irish people went to Eastern Europe and broke the law , ???????????
hahaha hilarious
Illegal. Simple as that.
Prove who it is before making these ridiculous signs!
..its about time someone told it as it is.. add to his missing fish, half the swans in london parks have vanished..& where we live cats are disappearing at an alarming rate!..lets face facts. its not racist or "not pc" but if you take a few thousand people used to a certain way of life where struggle, hardship & hungers an everyday thing then let them enter a country like the uk, these things are bound to happen & a lot worse..a lot lot worse I fear when our bulgarian cousins come over in droves...
Problem is if he does report it to the Police they will be too scared of being branded racists themselves or even too inept to do anything about it. This guy can't win as the law favours the criminal and not the OWNER
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP! - CaptainGinger, Islington, 10/4/2013 12:17 ================================================================================================== Your ukip world doesn't sound very enticing
How can it be racist when East Europeans are the same caucasian race as the English? Unless of course Mr Whitehead is of African or East Asian descent and the man in the photo is just a stand-in?
They are taking fish all over the Fens as well.
Remind me how fishing works. This is a fishery right. Are you actually supposed to put the fish back? So they get caught repeatedly? That seems wrong to me, I assumed people went fishing to catch fish, take them home and eat them
Yet again a British citizen in his own back yard says it how it is and the left wing brigade come out in force. Its thanks to these left wing do gooders that this country is in the state it is.
Put up a sign "Private Property" trespassers will be shot!
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective. - Nini, London, United Kingdom, 10/4/2013 11:44..................Yeah right. That would work. These people are unlikely to get caught and if they are nothing happens to them. His best bet is to lawfully treat his fish with fungicide to kill white spot and put a sign up warning that the fish are inedible.
"One walker passing by said: 'It's bizarre, backward and racist. It's the sort of thing you're shocked to see in this day and age." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes shocking - if you've been indoctrinated by the liberal-left elite and the BBC. Can one get a degree in "Being Shocked" these days? His land, his lake his fish...
This is akin to placing a sign saying, "No Dogs or Indians allowed" during the Raj or "No Black, No Dogs, No Irish" sign during the 70s from a potential landlord in UK. But then what more can we expect from the descendant of colonialist !!! No wonder, Britain's today's generation's suffering due to the ill-deeds of their ancestors, across the globe.
If people want to live in our country they should live by our rules or leave. Simple.
Good for him
Bravo! The sign is absolutely spot-on, I am a bailiff on a local water and every time we catch people stealing specimen fish from our waters they are ALL from Eastern Europe.
Its a big problem. Someone netted my lake and stole the carp too...I haven't bothered to replace them.
How about notice on a pub entrance door in Krakow - 'No Stag Parties'. Guess why did they put it there?
he put up a sign, big deal. I get the looks clearly saying I'm not welcome even though I don't steal anyone's fish ;)
its not RACIST its the TRUTH. we have the same problem near us. the eastern europeans dont put the fish back. they take them home to eat. the same goes for the wildfoul that live on the lake ;they seem to like graylag geese and swans.
To be fair we all know who takes the carp and who eats all the swans etc, but we are not allowed to tell the truth anymore. We need politicans with the balls (no I don't mean that idiot Ed) to do something about this country although I fear it may already be too late.
I,m forced to eat Carp at xmas in Poland,, its foul
Good man!
His campsite must be like Fawlty Towers with tents.
The sign is as distasteful as the fish.
"They've obviously had problems with people taking fish, judging by the other signs they've put up. But you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing." Some people really are terminally confused in their own heads. He accepts they've been taking fish and accepts it's wrong then criticises the sign singling them out because they've been deliberately doing wrong by taking the fish. I really wonder how these "right-on" individuals can operate without their brains exploding because of their inconsistent thought processes.
I'd sue him!
No different to the petrol stations in Bradford with "Asian Taxi Drivers Only" signs.
A sign won't stop the fish from being stolen.
No doubt he'll get life imprisonment yet if some loony lefty or vengeful immigrant attacked him they'd get community service.
Good for him !! These people killed a beautiful swan on my local river and left the mate devastated, her pain was so clear to see, she just floated on the water with her head diwn and there was NOTHING I could do. It killed me ......
Protesting about Eastern European's eating freshly stocked fish is racist? Burn the witch, stone him, duck him... ooops that was for heresy wasn't it? Ahem... Socially exclude the racist, sack him, fine him, jail him!
I personally prefer to blame the Swiss.
Why are all of the logical comments being thumbed down? This is the wrong way to handle the situation, and quite frankly it's reminiscent of the segregation days "No blacks, No dogs, No Irish" Hmm Just when you think progress has been made in society.
if it ain,t nailed down that will get nicked as well
Its not rasist, he's just defending his livelihood. Its a fact that certain easten europeans are stealing thousands of pounds of carp and pike from fisherys all around the UK. They have even been caught draining sections of the grand union canals all around hertfordshire, damaging boats in the process so 15 - 20 indeviduals can net all the carp and pike in the section without the hastle of fishing for them. somthing has to be done before stocks are decimated all over the country.
Good for him!
I know of a fishery very close to this one, the game keeper has to search their bags and often finds fish in them. They are then made to pay. Feel sorry for the bloke, trying to make an honest living.
This man is just trying to protect his livelihood. A widepread problem, as with the two swans shot by, probably, police believe, an E European man on the River Avon in Dorset recently.
Of the revenue from our annual fishing licence, we now have a great deal of it spent on policing waters from eastern Europeans plundering our fish stocks. The wildfowl suffer too. I have lost count of the times I've fished places where passers by tell us of eastern Europeans who've cleaned the place out - often with nets. This problem is rife, everybody knows it and serious action needs to be taken. I have heard of people taking the law into their own hands - this man has been driven to this and deserves support, not criticism.
Your comments:Doesn't he look a nice chappy....not!
That man is only rascist when politicians and police toke action when they fish all places empty. BUT.. this man and ALL EU citicens are on their own in the battle against the lots of eastern europians because they play the game by differant rules. (not all) This man is RIGHT. In the Netherlands where i live there isnt a SINGLE fish in lakes or rivers because those eastern europians have differant morals and dont leave any fish for others or think about nature. So the goverment in all EU are overruled by action like this man that takes action because his goverment has let him down Where else would this man turn to if he didnt take action himself???? (obviously police let him down!). In the past there were rules and morals that were respected by natives,but others dont care about those rules,if you dont know what i mean you have not been in WEST EU the last 15 years.
What next no Irish or no Jews? This man has an evil heart it reminds me of the old days when people used to use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart.
Why are the british so racist?
I've fished a river opposite an eastern European chap three years ago, I watched him over the five hours put everything he caught into a plastic bag and then walk away with all sorts of species of fish. Now that same river it would take you a week to fill the bag as there are no fish left. SO GOOD ON HIM!
his lake, his rules..
He has put this sign up cause its true, i seen it first hand when taking dogs for walk, me and others have seen eastern europeans taking fish from our local fishing lakes, i know they are cause you hear them talking to each other, normally gangs of at least 3-5, we report it but nothing ever gets done, if you speak to them they either claim to not speak english or not understand, also swans have been killed and taken.
Poor guy doesn't know what he's let himself in for, when the PC brigade get through with him he will be putting up a sign asking if the fish thieves would like him to supply chips free of charge with their stolen fish, said sign will have to be in twenty eight different languages of course !
To all of you simpletons out there. How can it be racist, eastern europeans are the same race as most of us, They are just a different nationality. Racism is about race and not nationality, do try and understand that simple fact. Another simple fact is that virtually all people who have been caught stealing carp and, here in Lincoln, killing our treasured swans have been eastern europeans. It is a huge problem.
Easy for the people who are criticising him but perhaps they would like to finance the ongoing restocking of fish instead? I'm sure once they were the ones who had to pay for it they wouldn't have such open minded ideas.
I feel sorry for that the bloke is having his stocks plundered - but wouldn't it make more sense to have invested the money on security (CCTV etc.) instead of putting up an ineffective and frankly ignorant sign? - I guess tarring several million people from a dozen different nations with the same brush makes him feel better
You will find too that swans, ducks and geese have been disappearng from our lakes, rivers and canals
"call the police"??.....hahahahahaha....good idea!
I remember in the 1980's the Irish blaming the German's for fishing all the pike from their lakes and rivers. In a number of cases it turned out to be local people as they could sell them on to the restaurants that were looking to add them to their menu's to make a few bob from German diners. Who should we blame in this case I wonder?
Something fishy going on here....................
Nothing racist about that sign, eastern Europeans are the same race as him.
There is a lot of truth in what this fishery owner is saying. Across the whole country people are reporting the same thing where fish levels are declining because Eastern Europeans, who seem to think it¿s normal behaviour, are actually taking their catches home to eat! Probably because they can¿t afford to buy fish due to their low incomes because they come over here and take all the jobs by undercutting British workers and then send home their money home which in their country is a huge amount. These people don¿t integrate and don¿t contribute. How can they when they send all their money home. But you¿re not allowed to say this as you are then branded a racist or a bigot by the looney left and all those doo gooders who live ion a bubble.
The thing is in England(and a few other countries) we corse fish for fun but the eastern europeans (and others) fish for food so they take every thing home and a lot of the time its to small too i have seen it my self, i know a lot of lakes in Poland have been fished out because of this,its a cultural thing we don't eat so much fresh water fish in the uk but in most of Europe they do,its a shame because it will ruin the fishing for everyone.
The owners obviously have forgotten that this is no longer the country of FREE SPEECH, and you are only allowed to say what our leaders allow you to say despite, WHAT YOU THINK.
There is a clash of cultures here. In the UK and across western Europe it is normal to catch fish as a hobby or indeed a sport and then put them back into the water for someone else to try and catch. Unfortunately though the same rules of engagement don¿t seem to apply to Eastern Europeans as in their culture it is normal to catch fish and take them home to eat. Once again we see here someone objecting to the ways of a foreign culture and in doing so being branded a racists by the loony left and all the doo gooders ¿ probably the same ones who celebrate when a famous old lady dies.
This can't be racism as being 'Eastern European' is not classed as a race. Discrimination, yes but his lake/land his rules. Good luck to him.
It was reported a few weeks ago that Eastern Europeans were stealing fish stocks. I don't blame him at all.
i live in southern spain and when the eastern europeans arrived here we noticed that they were indeed catching the carp and taking them away to eat, on one day i counted 18 men each with an average of 6 carp in there buckets, wen i asked if they had the correct fishing licence they laughed at me and informed me that the spanish police did not bother them as it was to much hassle to get interperators etc, yet they will prosecute Spanish and English anglers (who do not take the fish away), i asked if they live nearby and was told no, they had come down from Malaga way, i asked why they didnt fish up that way, there reply was "because there are no fish left", make of that what you will.................................
saying what a lot of others are thinking but too weak and feeble minded to voice..............
The eastern europeans were caught stealing swans in ireland
Big deal, he put up a sign. Most people just give me looks as if I'm not welcome every single day even though speak clear English as well as other 3 languages, been here nearly 10 years and respect everything to do with British Culture. Just the fast that I sometimes speak in my own language on the street when I'm on my phone with my family is enough for me to be a victim of racial comments.
There need to be many dedicated fisheries where the idea is to kill and eat the fish. sports anglers can have their waters, those with more of a hunter-gatherer take on life can have theirs. This is not solely the domain of eastern Europeans - any time I catch a decent grayling, trout, pike, zander or perch I knock it on the head and take it home, just as I'd do if I caught something in the sea. note: I'm not breaking any laws. I only do it in waters where kill & keep is permitted. freshwater fish are a relatively untapped resource of tasty, clean and high quality protein and you know exactly what it is, unlike the food you buy at the supermarket.
Swan and Carp is a Eastern European issue, trouble is PC Britain is to afraid to speak out now for fear of arrest, no freedom of speech any longer in the UK. Well done, this man has the backbone to speak out.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Not many ducks on the pond in the park Christmas Day,seemed a bit odd.
Hahahahahaah he presumes they`re Eastern Europeans but cannot prove it....right.......what this guy needs its a fine and never ever be allowed to put racist signs in public again. I mean he even looks like the classic old mumbling guy with nothing better to do. Did he counted the fish to see if they`re all missing????
What makes more sense, the age old tradition of catching fish to feed themselves or repeatedly torturing them by ripping their mouths apart then throwing them back ?
Funny how everyone gets up in arms about someone trying to save his livelihood, these same people say nothing about Behead those how insult Islam posters, funny world, hand wringers protecting everyone in the world except their own countrymen
And the ducks!
So I can still steal his fish?
Good luck to him.
Eddie Whitehead for President !!!
I'm Eastern European and unfortunately the poor man has a point and I understand his frustration.
It's his land, his lake, his fish, his bench and he can do what he likes with all of them!
How does he know the fish are missing when he hasn'r seen any go?
you aught to see the signs that go up in windows out side of the UK. i live in the gulf, where landlords state things like - asians only! no men allowed. the first thing that gets asked on your CV is your age. the UK is alone in thinking PC is a good thing. elsewehere, racism is rife, and as brits are keen not to upset, its seen as weekness, that is pushed and pushed because it can be.
Boris Johnson keeps saying all English people are lazy, whats the difference
The man has his own rights to put up what he wants on his property. Just like the TV, if you do not like what you see then move on to somewhere else.
Sorry mate, some thieves don't read so well!
Thanks Blair!
Never mind the fish, someone should prosecute this guy for racism.
I have seen Romanians keep the carp they caught, but we can't say that can we?
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP!
its not racist, at worst not actually PC but racist? The English, Scots, Welsh do not (normally) eat freshwater fish - however Eastern Europeans do fish for, cook and eat freshwater fish, that is a fact. If since Eastern Europeans started fishing his water and fish have gone missing its not much of a stretch to figure out where they are going and do something to protect his livelihood. This is not the first story of this nature, just possibly one where someone is actually doing something about it.
Oh for the good old days when the sign read tresspassers will be shot.the land belongs to mr whitehead.
I do not blame him they need to be aware its a business not a charity for free fish , Eastern Europeans should be given details when they arrive that our rules regarding wildlife in the UK is diffrent than in their countries, they are responsible for killing swans also the crime rate as increase since we let them in, we need the policy of comitt a crime and you will be sent back home
Doubt they'll be able to read that
Well done that Man....
The Environment Agency has acknowledged a problem with certain sections of Eastern Europeans stealing fish from lakes so why has this man been accused of racism for simply wanting to protect his livelihood. Unfortunately a minority have ruined it for the majority but to attack Mr Whitehead for the sign is unjust.
love it
That was a heron more likely
this guy is asking for trouble
At last one fighting back for his own.
Not racist at all, but could have switched it the other way: respect British laws.
Good for him
I would shake his hand.
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective.
If he suspects that it is people from eastern Europe, he could just put up a sign in several languages saying something along the lines of anyone caught stealing will be prosecuted and that he has cctv. Simple and not illegal.
'in't that racialist?
Carp is a delicacy in some Eastern European countries - but it's not got a great taste.
imagine what would happen if his notice said "No Jews" ?
Pure racism, no two ways about it
No he is not being racist. We all know who likes to eat carp and it`s not the British.
His lake... His property... END OF...
Eastern Europeans eat carp as a delicacy, as did the English in Medieval Times. The sign is DISTASTEFUL and ILL ADVISED, but I know in other sections of the media 'Polish lorry drivers' have been accused of stealing carp for their tea. I hope the fishery owner CATCHES THE REAL CULPRITS SOON. THEN PUNISHES THEM.
No mention about the housing problem due to immigrants getting houses before Brits,no mention of the strain on the NH due to immigrants who get all the benefits before paying into the system.All immigrants should have medical insurance before entering the country till they have paid into the system
English workers have been left stripped of decent pay deals and overtime rates. My Company has banned time and half overtime and now operates at standard rate because of immigrants willingness to work no matter what. The UK is flooded with low paid workers, after years of campaigns to get workers rights employers will no doubt be very happy with the situation. Any other country would have a riot on their hands by now, it seems the British spirit has been defeated. Shame on Labour, no longer the working man's party. BNP is the only hope now.
Whilst I think its wrong that our country as adopted some kind of "politically correct" policy which puts everyone over our own white British citizens... I have to say that the main problem here is the fact that Brits just don't want to work... and why would you when you can get paid more from the government for stay home!?! You can't blame the Eastern Europeans for coming to make money and if they didn't who would be doing the job!?
Can someone please explain how "overall fiscal impact is probably small but positive" about the lowest paid British natives getting lower wages! The fact is that the BNP are not wining elections because they are racists, they are winning elections because the main parties refuse to net immigration as NEGATIVE.
The awful truth is that Nu Labour has neglected what were once its grass root supporters and is only now , on the eve of a massive electoral defeat, waking up to the facts. You simply cannot throw your own people on a scrap heap and allow floods of cheap labour into the Country - its a madness that other States protect their people from but this Government have allowed much to their everlasting shame. These International socialist (who send their own kids to private schools) only appear to experiment on the lower classes - the peasants , as they used to be known in Russia, the Country they got their Party ideals from.
yes is a struggle,thik head,it has been for years,since the east eu,invadet britain...and wot can you do about?Say sorry..you done the damnage,
If that's not discrimination, what is it then? Migrants are payed more, they are given all financial support and what do they do with the money? They send it home in their native country to support the rest of their family. That's one of the reason the economy is down in the UK.
So they all come to the first country of refuge,England where they will get first class houses, benefits,and more financial help than what they could ever earn.Believe me where I am in China,their idea is support yourself if you wish to remain here or leave.
This is just 1st year economics student stuff - increase the supply of labour and wages will fall. The new migrants haven't created that many new jobs in the USA, The Economist this week said since 2000 the US population has risen by 30m but they only have 0.4m more jobs since then. So wages esp for the low paid jobs these migrants often end up doing will fall. Inflation will fall, benefitting the bioggest spenders (the wealthy). Lower inflation means lower inteerst rates, so hosue prices and rents rise - again the poor, renting, lose out, the weathier homeowners and landlords gain. So migration raises inequality, any bright 1st year ecopnomics student could have worked that one out.
Surprise surprise..I've been saying this for over 5 years..Since being made redundant due to offshoring, and my skills now redundant also (Textiles) I've found work within the 'Service Sector,' and in the 4 years I've been doing my present job I've seen entire workforces of British staff forced out by bosses who've employed Eastern Europeans, as they've been able to pay them less and expect longer hours..These people are generally young and single, so have no familes/Mortgages to support. Skilled Brits are also losing out unlike this report states.
Once again someone states the obvious; but can I be permitted to ask one question: Where are the Trades Unions in all of this? There has not been one peek out of this miserable bunch, they are probably too busy counting their loot and wondering how the can add to it. Who is going to represent the working class of this nation? Labour won't do it and now the Unions are ignoring them. While Margaret Thatcher might have neutered the unions, with Arthur Scargills able assistance; it was Tony Bliar who emasculated them, with the help of the current nameless and faceless leadership. Our glorious leaders Tone and Gord did not allow immigrants in to this country to raise their standard of living, it was to drive down the wages in Britain.
Just as a matter of interest can you please put me up for a position as one of these "experts" we are always reading about. I feel I am well qualified to make as many EXPERT opinion's as the next man. I have made some bloody awful mistakes in the past, and I am quite sure I can really come up with some utterly ridiculous "FACTS" as that seems to be the main criteria for the job'. So if the money is good and there is a vacancy Im your man, ready to start today, My first " FACT " comes free "TOO much alcohol makes you tipsy and could lead to a hangover" I have dozens more gems that you should hear before the highly paid "EXPERTS" pip me!!!!,
The warning that wage levels for poorer Britons may have been hit will worry the Government. Oh dear there must be a General Election on the way.
Cheap labour forcing down wages? I can't believe it! The new Labour campaign slogan is "British Jobs for British Migrants!"
So, British low-skilled workers' pay is slightly down, because, when compared to Eastern Europeans, native workers appear to have poor work ethic? Hmm... I see two possible solutions: 1) throw out all non-native workers, so that there is noone to comapre lazy Brits to and make them look bad; or... 2) get busy WORKING! PS: This story is sad and funny at the same time...
New Britain? i much preferred the old one before the floodgates had been opened prior to joing the EU, and yes the economic immigrants certainly have driven the wages down not just for unskilled work, a lot of skilled work is not paying much above the minimum wage now, i can't understand why any skilled indigenous Brit would want to stay here when there are far greater opportunities to be had elsewhere like Canada, New Zealand or Australia, where they will get treat with respect and a decent standard of living. New Labours New Britain...what a horrible experiment gone dreadfully wrong.
This is exactly what the government wanted!
What did you say Brown, BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS. YOU MONGREL.
To many people after a small number of jobs, this situation just keeps adding fuel to an already smoldering fire, are this useless government so stupid, they can not see what is going to happen, even gormless Gorden should be able to work this one out, perhaps.
well i knew that 5years ago,why do this labour goverment hate white and black english working class,they do not have to give child benefit to eastern european children,living in their own country.they do why.to keep migrants here to keep english working class down.for some crazy reason they want people unemployed living of the state.pol pot want tht long ago,they need to be in asylums,oh sorry they closed most of them down.
Well how long has it taken them to figure that one out? In the meantime men over 40 are rendered unemployable and youngsters have no prospects of jobs. Welcome to New Labours UK where the only people getting stiffed are the British voters!
Japan has a modern economy with zero immigration, if they can do it, why can,t the UK?
Good point James Slack , excellent work ethic.
I know that. Impoverished at the bottom of the financial heap
I wonder how many of them are living in council housing whilst claiming benefits which aren't available in other countries?
ONLY 700,000 left ? thats 700,000 too many
I am really not interested in reading so many stories like this - because everybody already knows that! Why do the British public put up with this Government and it's lies and deceipt? Blair & Brown should have been hung for treason, years ago!
The Romanan Goverment wants rid of a lot of people who commit crimes and take benefits from their country. They are eally pleased that we ae happy to take these deadbeats away from them.
Well done Mr Littlejohn. A fantastic article that mirrors my feelings precisely!!
I have just read the latest opinion poll shows 72% of the electorate would vote for the anti democratic, eu parties. So all the other 28% of the people like myself belong to a minority group . I am not religious but god help us.
"I cannot get over what has happened to this country. Worst of all noone is doing anything.- kt, berkshire, 14/6/2013 8:00" I agree and, moreover, it is the alarming speed at which this rate of change has happened, and continues to happen.
Our failed poltical leaders are all hoping for jobs on the EU gravy train,until we get rid of them all they will continue to sell us out for their own grubby financial greed.
Get us OUT of the EU Dictatorship!!!.
Why pay them to hang about on the streets?
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because............................... - barking snail, nottingham, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 7:27----------------------------------------------------------------Northern Ireland kicked them out too and sent them to England. LOL.
ONE WORD, UKIP
All part of the "progressive" agenda. Bend over and take it.
Sorry but how long has Camaron been in power? Didnt he say they were going to cut immigration?
Will the last English person to leave this benighted land please switch off the light.
You can shout and scream as much as you like about this and I've no doubt, in truth, the government doesn't like it either but, as long as we're tied to the EU there's nothing, nothing at all, that Cameron, Milliband or Clegg can do about it; not a thing! Unless we get out of the EU, we have no choice.
Regarding the second part of Richard Littlejohn's article... I thought ignorance of the law was no defence. It seems some of our judges are ignorant of the law as well.
Richard: Do you think forgetting what country you live in an Illness or just a Consequence of Immigration?
We have six months. Let's get a vote of no confidence in ASAP on Camoron and his cronies, boot this lot out of parliament, and get Mr Farage in to fix this before it really is too late.
You try littering with a cigarette packet and your are in deep trouble. They do all this and nothing seems to happen.I just don't understand the laws anymore.
If you are a captain on a ship and can see a bloody big iceberg in front of you what would be your reaction? Do something about it pronto. Just smile and say, there is nothing to worry about. If he was in the Royal Navy he would either end up dead, or be facing a court martial if your choice was the latter. I am a democrat but something needs to be done against this madness sooner than later. If the gutless politicians will not act now the only other option is public protest.
Surely, camping out like this is illegal in this country! Why aren't the police rounding them up? The Italians, and the French famously did exactly this, put them on buses and sent them back to Romania! Why oh why cant we do the same!!!!!
Well said Richard.The vile BBC mouthpiece will still advocate that this dross is good for my country which Judas Cameron has deserted and let the left wing pondlife go unanswered.Patience is wearing thin VERY rapidly .
Leftists should give up their own homes to immigrants and go live in ruins and caves.
You just try littering by dropping a cigarette packet on the floor and your in deep deep trouble. They can do this and no one bothers.It's sure odd to me .
UKIP, UKIP, UKIP,
BNP wants to get out of EU have you been censored ? (in not pointing it out)
We were told that only 13,000 people would come to Britain, at least a million arrived; HOW clueless are the officials. NOTE we are about to allow as many again from Romania and Bulgaria, IS ANY ONE AWAKE in government to STOP THIS influx of unwanted migrants????
Why the sudden panic, this was always on the card. You voted for it when you voted for Balir and you voted for it when you voted for Cast Iron Cameron. You the voter are to blame. We, the electorate are reaping the rewards of OUR failure to vote for patriots. Good luck Briatain, we're going to need it.
Have our politicians bothered to go back to read the original EU agreement they signed to see if they are interpretting it too loosely? I thought we signed up to give free movement of labour which from my definition does not include beggars and criminals so why are these people not simply sent back to their country of origin. Someone from within the EU wanting to work in this country should apply and be given a work visa to allow them to freely search for work here but if they have not found work within a reasonable period (1 year?) then they should leave again and perhaps go elsewhere in the EU where they might have more luck. Or did our politicians sign up to the free movement of the population within the EU super state?
From the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in a report that was published on Thursday....There are approx 100,000 Romanians living in the UK 85% the highest from any nationality, are in full-time employment. Most are under 35. Almost 40% have a university degree. There are over 4,000 doctors & nurses working in our NHS,Figures show that 62% of Romanians in Britain have no dependents, 32% only have one child & only 300 claims for child benefit were made in 2012.The study also showed the UK was unlikely to be the preferred destination for Bulgarians and Romanians. It added that those who do leave Romania were far more likely to go to Spain and Italy, where 1.7 million Romanians are already living and working, and this is unlikely to change.
Bear in mind something that applies to the people who have let this happen, the Politicians, the MP's who "think" they are worth a £20,000 PA pay rise, they do not live with the results of their policies, there are no Roma in Downing street, there are no MP's queuing 12 hours in A&E, if an MP rings the police, the police actually turn up, if an MP needs to see a Doctor I bet they don't wait a fortnight, one day the boy's and girl's in the House of Commons will lay down the straw that will break the camels back, and then God help them.
England is lost, glad I moved to Canada.
We also have them in Switzerland living in similar conditions. Nothing new here ...... unfortunately.
The idiots that let this happen get paid a fortune and get fantastic pensions at our expense.
Dear Queen Elizabeth, I know that your Royal perogatives are now somewhat diminished but if you have one that can save our beautiful country please use it, also the British people would like you to chuck Blair , Brown, Clegg, Cameron into the tower for their treasonable actions against this country . God Save the Queen. Also Richard Littlejohn Brilliant article...
Bloody idiot politicians. Started with that treacherous Blair, continued with that Brown (just to keep them in a job) and now, it beggars belief that this liberal 'call me Dave' and the other fool, continue to let it happen. OUT NOW all of you and OUT NOW of the EU. Is there anyway, that the general population can cause an election ?
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 6:45. And the sensible majority would like arrogant "lefties" like you to admit that you ARE, in reality, fascists.
How are they getting in???. They do not freedom of movement yet....so how are they still getting in??????
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for LibLabCon. Those of you that did vote for LibLabCon voted for this, so keep quiet, stop whining and complaining about it and celebrate instead!
By this time next year this lot and a few hundred thousand more will all be on the payroll, Perhaps these pictures would make an effective poster campaign at the next election. What do you think Davey boy?
The French dont have a problem with these kind of camps!....say no more
Excellent article about the uncontrolled immigration that the 3 major parties will do nothing about. I believe that by 2015 a large proportion of the electorate will have got to the point where they will vote for any political party that will promise to stop uncontrolled immigration, even if their vote means coming out of the EU and losing the economic benefits it supposedly brings us now. There is and always will be a need for immigration but not uncontrolled immigration. I believe politicians will become so out of step with the electorate on this issue that they will severely underestimate the impact immigration will have on them in 2015. .
DAVE CAMERON'S BRITAIN ! A HARBINGER OF THINGS TO COME.
DAVE CAMERON'S BRITAIN ! A HARBINGER OF THINGS TO COME.
Probably better then that which they are used to.
I agree with the article and many of the post but the question I am aiming is to you DM; "Who will you back in the 2015 general election?"
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle
CAMERON, BLAIR AND BROWN. This country is finished, and you finished it.
Another day, another horror story and another inevitable rant by the readership declaring "What can we do to stop this?" .............What is it about "VOTE UKIP IF YOU WANT TO STOP THE IMMIGRATION MESS & ABUSE THAT THE OTHER 3 PARTIES HAVE KNOWINGLY CREATED AND WILL ALLOW TO CONTINUE UNCHECKED DESPITE THEIR 'PROMISES' " that people don't seem to understand?
Simple answer to this - vote UKIP at the next general election. If they win our borders will close to anymore new entrants, we'll leave the EU,he human rights straightjacket will be cast off and all illegals will be forcibly deported. Cue cut in pressure on housing, schools, NHS, policing - win/win for everyone in the UK. I just don't understand why Appeaser Dave doesn't want to see the obvious? Though I'm looking forward to a UKIP government - a UK government looking out for the people of the UK; what a novelty.
That's right Littlejohn, express shock and horror to the gallery , yet this is what people like you want, ...a flexible workforce. I'm sure I argued a couple of years ago that Britain hasn't the climate for these employment practices. we can never be like the Philippines where the poor scavenge from waste tips yet this is where victims of the bedroom tax might end up. When you go for your second lunch today Mr Littlejohn , think on.
Couldn't we find them campsites in Camden, Notting Hill and Barnes etc on the lefties' doorsteps? - ken mist , paris, 14/6/2013 09:22 No irony in that you are writing this from "paris"?
What no one ever seems to ask or question our government about is why is it the responsibility of the UK to provide for citizens of so-called "poorer EU members" when a condition of membership into the EU was that ALL member states had to provide AND EVIDENCE a recognised and acceptable EU wide standard of care, HR, and provision for THEIR OWN citizens. So, if The Roma etc. are allegedly being persecuted in certain EU countries and need to virtually 'seek asylum' here, how can these countries remain a EU member and a natural consequence of that being that they cannot then come here and parasite off another member state who DOES abide by the rules........................or because I'm one of the 'little people' and never went to Eton am I somehow missing something here?
Mr Littlejohn has got it exactly right in every detail in his article,It really beggars belief that anyone could argue with any point that he makes.Do the.: great and the good: live in the same country as me,obviously not,and with their privileged backgrounds and being advised obviously by idiots,they are either blind,stupid or do not read newspapers.
if cameron,the ministers, and who ever allowed these poor people into their country then they HAVE to look after them you cant just let them live like this they are human beings!! everyone for 1 minute leave your racist self to one side and think about the conditions these people are living under just imagine britain was just like one of these eastern european countries.. wouldnt you take the chance if you were offered to enter a much better country in order to live a fuller life? leaving everything behind is not easy you know. these poor people left their home country imagine yourself in this situation!! nothing is guarateed you never know how britain will end up! if it turns out like one of the eastern european countries dont be surprised you may oneday be forced fo leave your home land in hopes of living a better life!! think twice before being racist..
UKIP UKIP UKIP THE ONLY ANSWER
the smug, self-regarding Leftist bigots who have done all they can to shut down honest debate about migration. You mean the ones that haven't been in power for several years now? Come off it, the current UK government love the idea of all these cheap to employ bodies coming in to the country to force our own wages and standards of living down.
VOTE UKIP , VOTE UKIP, VOTE UKIP , WAKE UP YOU OUT THERE . SPECIALLY YOU YOUNGSTERS , AS IT'S YOU LOT WHO WILL SUFFER AND YOUR KIDS . SO VOTE U K I P. YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE .
Obviously our politicians feel the benefits we receive from being in Europe far outweigh the problems that immigration are causing however the greater majority of the British public disagree and hopefully if we still have a Country worth living in they will find out come the next General election by which time there won't be much anyone will be able to do about it if England was a ship most true Brits would be heading for the lifeboats
I have been buying the Big Issue for years to support Scottish homeless, usually men, get them a cup of tea and share some platter. I have not bought it regular for at least two years. I do not believe that the Scottish homeless problem is sorted, even though the majority of people selling the big issue now, are young female and speak little English. I feel sorry for them but charity begins at home and I now buy 2 mags if I see a scottish/british person selling the big issue.
Voted Labour or Liberal? Enjoy! You had your chance to make a change in 2010 and you blew it.
Are you better off because of mass unchecked migration into this country.........thought not.
The disparity in living conditions country to country and successive dictators, rulers and business conglomerates is largely to blame for this. The attraction of Britain (The Mother Country) stems from Empire.. Just about everywhere in the world English is a common spoken language. England's desire to rule the waves (world) is coming home to roost...
Are you better off because of mass unchecked migration into this country.........thought not.
Someone commented that it's June and we have until December to stop all these people coming here. Unfortunately parliament has a long summer recess in between just to knacker the proceedings. We are pretty much knackered anyway because we were c**pped on from a great height by Labour and have now merely been shovelled up by the coalition. Are there actually any politicians in this country who bother to listen to the electorate? I don't think so, because they all have their own agendas. They don't live in the same kind of neighbourhoods as the rest of us, or lead the same kind of lives either. In short they do not have a clue about the views of the average person in the street and most don't care either.
Nothing will change until these immigrants start camping in the lefties backyards!
"Negative advertising campaign" ? Like telling them they'll get lots of money if they arrive here pennyless! Our welfare system is a joke!
The "Speaker" is the last person to tell anyone anything, and his "other half". Lol!!.
The only way to end the madness is to vote UKIP whenever there's an election. Don't leave it to others, don't abstain, get out and vote because this time your vote will make all the difference between an end to mass immigration and EU domination or much more of the same which will see the end of our once great nation for ever.
Yeah yeah, pull up the draw-brigde, bolt and lock the gates.. keep the unwanted out.. Typical xenophobic rants.. Truth is since Thatcher came to power U.K has bred a generation of illiterate, lazy, want it all without working for it adults.. Education went down the drain as did taxes. As a youngster growing up I had choice, not the greatest but my education was sought after across the world. Today not so.. More foreigners are employed than UK born adults and the reason for this is simple.. If you travel x amount of miles to get here, you have naff all left but to work and get income. If that fails, there's always prison or some gullible citizen to marry, breed and claim human rights....
I'm happy as long as they all stay in London & the south
I can't see droves of 'Eastern Europeans' here - maybe one or two, and you would probably have to look pretty hard to find them. In any case, 'Eastern Europe' starts at the Ukrainian/Russian border - you should be looking at the Russian oligarchs who are costing this country hundreds of millions in the form of tax avoidance, etc., rather than a couple of unfortunates who cost a couple of pennies by comparison. If anything you should be welcoming this as it goes to show that the clamp-down is working. No housing benefit, no free council housing, no benefits. I suggest you go to Romania some time and see what it is really like there - it is one of Europe's most beautiful countries and few people intend moving away from their traditions and culture where people are largely self-sufficient. I go there quite regularly and I feel humbled by their generosity and hospitality. Money isn't everything - they are far richer than we can ever hope to be.
This is all being done deliberately by the government. Do you really think they care about the masses who vote for them? All they want to do is make as much money for themselves as possible. Their greed knows no bounds. Low empathy is seen as a wonderful character trait by the men who have been raised in public boarding schools for the most part. It helps them tread on the lumpenproletariat and rise to the highest levels in politics.
Yes Richard Littlebrain... those 'Lefties' have been in government for three years.
As usual RJ on the ball as far as the immigration issue goes. Answer - vote UKIP. As a life-long Tory thats exactly what I will be doing. And I did feel insulted to be catagorised as a "Protest Voter". Well we'll see about that at the next election........
When we all were told how great it would be if we voted on a common market where trade barriers were down, then to wind up the dumping ground of Europe. Is it any wonder that we no longer trust the politicians in the three main parties any more? All of whom are so up front for us to stay in the EU (greed) and telling us they are debating about snatch backs for our sovereignty, which is also a load of eyewash. Vote UKIP
Comments say get rid of Cameron. What ,and then Labour will be in power,then you will slide into third world status very quickly. - expat, auckland, 14/6/2013 7:57 If people had any sense of patrioism they would all vote UKIP and we would be out of the EU, which is crippling and destroying this Country
Frankly, the problem with this country is that everyone is too nice. The British do not seem to want to offend anyone, upset anyone, get angry with anyone. Rather just moan about it under your breath. Point is, there is no right in any treaty ever signed by this country for anyone to come and build shanty towns here or camp in Hyde Park or live in caves. The only right that exists is to work, that is a UK employer cannot turn EU citizen down for a job on the basis of his nationality. The EU is a legal structure with a court supervising the compliance with law. What Britain needs to do is to simply pick these people up and send them back home. Simple as that and if the Commission wants to challenge that in court, let them. Do you really think that France, Spain, Germany even Poland want the court to establish that EU citizens can build shanty towns on football pitches and the national government cannot do anything about it? Come on, get tough and get real.
No, but what it will do is encourage more and more of us to vote UKIP. They are our last chance.
We've been down to the Stockport caves and advised all the itinerant occupants to head south to the home counties where the streets are paved with free gold and houses. We've taken our share of immigration for the last fifty years and it seems that only now when posh London suburbs are affected that politicians and reporters screaming foul. The more that arrive in your location, the better. Maybe something will get done when the rich start getting overrun.
Doesn't it just break your heart to see what has happened to our lovely country. I really feel for the future of my grandchildren.
..''A colleague who lives in Hendon near the ground saw about 30 Romanian men arriving only this week, complete with suitcases and baby buggies''.. first a trickle then the FLOOD..
I only hope that one day the politicians responsible for these crimes against our country will face appropriate justice.
What would we do without people like Littlejohn, who is always prepared to speak out when others are not
As long as we keep moaning about it the lefties will love it, sorry but we all are a bunch of all talk and no action people, we are all afraid of the word RACIST,we are all brainwashed, yearsago if one did not agree with the state we were all communist, so we have a new word to control the people RACIST.
Any one with sense and the ability to do so would get out of this country as fast as they could. It is no longer a country of tolerance and respect of others. Corruption and greed at the very top flowing down to all levels of society. Drugs, crime anti-social behaviour,a fifth rate health service, idiotic bureaucracy at every level of government and public services. A country lead by pygmies. Get out if you can.
VOTE. AND SUPPORT UKIP NOW. ,!! stop this lunacy. tell europe to get stuffed. and defend our Realm. before its too late. Cameron. and the Halfwit Clegg. havent got the B@lls. to stand up to the Eurocrats. but its fine for them. living in thier multi million pound homes. and holiday homes. , even Boris. called him a girly swot !! ,! we need. Vladimir. Putin to run the Country for a few terms of Government or. the very next best. NIGEL FARAGE !! a man with the guts to say what people think and feel. !! .
"Labour have an excuse, they are idiot socialists, but what is Dave's excuse? Continuing to let millions of immigrants in where many claim benefits is socialism of the first order. When is Cameron going to realize he's a Tory?" The thing with Cameron is that he's the new right, the sort who wants socialism for the masses, whilst still giving those at the top the benefits of capitalism. Blair was the same. Mass imigration suits them, as it brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator. You have to think who benefits from this? Big business benefits from high unemployment and easy movement of Labour, as they can pay lower wages and provide worse conditions. It's an employers market. Governments benefit as having lots on state handouts makes them easier to manipulate. It also makes them feel good and generous, when really they are spending other people's money. Other people who they despise.
If Cameron and the EU insist on continuing, then we must at least make the Europhile politicians really feel it. Start by suing them personally for any detrimental effect on you or your community. This is stoppable.
Whatever the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration say it is UTTERLEY LUDICROUS not to have control over who comes in!
Dear Boris Please arrange to give Hyde Park back to the people who voted you in - otherwise you may find yourself voted out !
I came home into Edinburgh, Scotland on an international flight last week that erroneously bypassed immigration/passport control (presumably a mistake by the ground handler who took us into the Domestic arrivals instead of International arrivals) and went straight through to baggage reclaim. So a plane load of people from many different countries are all here in UK with no-one any the wiser. Wonder how many times that has happened before? What is the point of so much airport security getting onto a plane if getting off at the other end breaches every immigration law and every aspect of public safely? Shocking!
BRITAIN, UNDER LIB/LAB /CON IS DOOMED, PEOPLE WAKE UP VOTE UKIP
I remember growing up and living in that area. What has gone wrong? I am sure that any British person working within the EU would not be allowed to do the same. Someone is responsible for this chaos and should be made to answer for it.
Great Britain - just one great big laughable joke of a country run by couldnt care less self serving clowns, every other country knows this as fact and exploits it.
This is insanitary and disgusting , and needs sorting out immediately. Just don't let them relocate near me, I've heard there is a cushy billet outside No 10 Downing St.
Not only must we leave the EU, we should also leave the ECHR. They are both responsible for crazy laws and decisions affecting this country.
I though the TORY'S were running the country ! - Swivel I Dloon, The Palace, Bulgaria, 14/6/2013 7:22 Have you forgotten 2010 already? They didn't win and so had to form a coalition with the Lib Dems. Look it up.
For 15yrs I was involved with with Russian tourists groups visiting London.Mostly women and children as the chance the chance of father mother and children obtaining a Holiday Visa was almost impossible. I was impressed by the knowledge of the young childrens understanding of the History of England..During all of those years we only had 5 defectors.The majority had no desire to live in England.Yet from April this year the visa rules for these tourist families have been tightened yet again.The average revenue from these TOURISTS in one week was 1000euros and my groups numbered 40 people.So tell me how do the government find it so hard to contol the influx of unwanted people into the country.???. (Maybe they are to busy making our grandmas take off thier summer sandals before flying out to Spain)
Makes you laugh telling us the welfare bill must be cut, yet anyone can come from Europe and get benefits, where is the logic ?
Wasn't President Ceausescu fabulously rich - what happened to all the money he stole from the Romanian people?
Richard Littlejohn for Prime Minister! NOW!
Consign ConDemLibour to the political scrap heap where they belong, between them, they have degraded this country while seeing themselves financially profiglorate. Vote UKIP in 2015, your last chance to rescue Britain from the cesspit that the EU is creating. Bring back control of our borders and stop filling the overflowing trough that Brussels is growing ever fatter upon at our expense. Britain like Switzerland would flourish outside of the EU. The EU is destined to failure, greedy politicians just can't help themselves put those who vote for them first.
"We let anyone in.com ' formally Great Britain" Sadly for me, not. You allow all EU residents with little to no skills, but skilled professional Americans like me- who love and dream to live in England- have to jump through a million hoops to find an employer to sponsor them, and are still turned down.
There is someting rotten and rotting in the world today and it's the spineless people in politics that is the reason why and the cause. Why do we comment? Why do we explain our viewpoint? Nobody in a position to do something about it listens or has the gumption to answer. Hendon FC? Go in with bulldozers and 'Turf' them out along with those in London Parks and cave dwellers. The whole world is rotten and rotting because we don't do what really needs to be done and allow the lowlife of this planet to dictate. Enjoy the day now
The ONLY party willing to tackle (AND SOLVE) this issue is UKIP. We CAN NOT control immigration without leaving the EU. That is a FACT. Vote UKIP to solve the problem.
AND ENGLISH CULTURE IS THE MOST UNEQUAL OF ALL
The UK really is finished - it will only get much worse as long as we are in the EU and it doesn't look like we will be leaving. How much big a mess will the UK become before politicians notice. They only have 2 choices - get out of the EU or completely ignore some of their directives and refuse to pay whatever penalties the EU decides to impose. Sorry for all you guys still living there - you have no hope.
Come here all and sundry and go camp in the back gardens of our rotten rulers.
Politicians don't care about the slums being created in áreas in whiuch they don't live, the main beneficiaries of the mass immigration are the employers who can get cheap labour, earn more profit and thus afford to live well away from the slums
A well written, blunt article... Sadly though the people who should be reading and taking note will continue to put their head in the sand and pretend they know best. The Roma community is no different from our traveller community, and these people do not abide by the law, they think they have the right to do what they want, where they want. They don't work yet always have top of the range vehicles, and no-one ever stops to ask how. This is our country and yet we are being told we can't complain that its being handed over to people who will destroy our way of life and our country.
Tiffersno2 06:45 So to get an "honest "debate on immigration, first we have to admit we are racist. You should be a politician. But here's a little tip. Never start a debate by insulting a person and calling them racist, or ask them to admit they are wrong, before you sit down at the table. Even the government has had to retract the RACIST tack. It backfired.
Who cares UK is a dump anyway
No-one is allowed to talk about migration honestly, otherwise we get called racist. Every English/British person will end up leaving the British Isles until it is full of non-Brits and immigrants. Well done Government, you are a pathetic disgrace.
So will Mr Littlejohn declare he is going to vote for and support UKIP? Or like many people on here are they happy just to carry on moaning and snivelling? Decide if you have a backbone and integrity - if you really value your country and it's way of life. It's time for real men and women to step forward.
If these shantys spring up they should be torn down and occupants removed from the country.
Don't you live In America? No doubt putting a strain on their good supply. Pfffft.
Yes, they come here, no job or money and say "I'm homeless" get a house and money-job done. Or they start selling big issue...non of them are British anymore. We need to look after our own first!!
it is perferctly within European law to expel homeless unemployed citizens from other member states of the EU. The open-border treaty was never intended as a dossers' charter. The government is simply failing in its responsibilities for political reasons.
I once parked my camper van in a lay by in Somerset to spend the night because I'd been driving many hours. Along comes Mr. Plod and says "move along now, you can't stop here all night, or you'll get a ticket". Says it all dunnit?
This shanty town is the Romanian equivalent of a Luxury condominium. What's more it is put up at no cost to the occupants and no council tax is payable for clearing the mess caused.
Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 6:45...................... The argument has nothing to do with race, it's to do with numbers. We are full. We are not full of any particular race or creed, we are simply full. Does the fact that people are living in shanty towns prove that to you?
Trust me, things are not that desperate in Romania, as I have seen with my own eyes. The gypsies we have coming to Britain live like that in Romania too. The difference is that the police are much stricter with them over there. We are way too soft. Such a shame as I'm married to a Romanian who works hard for an English company, takes no benefits and is profoundly ashamed of these gypsies and certainly doesn't want to be associated with them.
Britain like America is founded by european inmigration, so what is the problem again Littlejohn?? If you look at the british history during the past 500 years you will notice that everyone here comes form everywhere in the world, specially from EU countries.
Having lived in Denmark, I know for a fact that European countries laugh at Britain for its slavish obedience to EU laws. Even the cooperation-loving Scandinavians break them when it suits! - common_sense_uk , Oxford, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 07:34 And do the European counrties who flout EU law have to pay the fines that the UK gets threatened with if we were to break their laws ? If that's the case, then what's the point of it all ? Let's get out of the EU now ! The more I hear the more I think it would be best in the long term for the UK.
The reality is that many of these immigrants are looking for a better life by contributing to a system that will treat them with a fairness that is not afforded to them in their home country. Unfortunately, with them will be the ones who will come here pleading poverty, rob, steal and take whatever they can and vanish back to their own country. Gypsy's through political, social and welfare exclusion have been bought to the edge of human existence by successive governments in their home countries. They see Britain as a fairer society, can you blame them? Blair signed us up to this and Europe waived many criteria to increase membership without realising the devastating potential problems. We can all live together, if everyone contributes to a fairer society. But while politicians are out to line their own pockets, it is unlikely!
I cannot get housing as I work and have paid into system all my life! I am white and British by birth, so what does that say about our so called system!
Tiffersno2,Ipswich, put your left wing brain in gear. Not wanting this country's resources overwhelmed is NOT, repeat, NOT racist. People like you are the problem, stifling legitimate and necessary debate. You're probably delighted we have a very leftist government in place.
Back to the future; a sign of things to come?
The MPs and employers dream! CHEAP WORKERS!
Vote UKIP. Shut the borders pronto! This poor country is a laughing stock! Article was brilliantly written though!
Richard, so much of what you say, on so many topics and issues, are heartfelt by so many people. The difficulty for most is that they do not have the platform or ability to articulate in the same way you do. Recently, Patrick O'Flynn, of the Daily Express has confirmed his fervent support for UKIP and it is this type of publicity, from high profile, well respected journalist like yourselves, that UKIP need leading up to the European elections and the General election beyond. We all know the influence of the press in politics and it would be a good thing if you were to take up the mantle also.
Out of eu NOW.
The Tories Dream come true.All that cheap labour on tap.Cameron is such a liar,he's promised Turkey that once they get into the EU,whoever wants to come to Britain will be welcome.the expected number is arround 1 million.Cameron has told Turkey that he will do what he can for Turkey to get them EU membership ASAP.Hasn't anyone noticed that Britains Tory media never ask Cameron the hard questions.Like why has he told Turkey they are welcome to come to Britain?>
All we do is read articles in newspapers and become agitated but every one of us just sits back and takes it. We are sitting on a time bomb in the UK and when the money dries up as it will when we are supporting the world then we are all stuffed. The successive Governments have treated us all like mugs. We must remember that these people in power are no more educated than many of us so why do we allow it?
The MPs and employers dream! CHEAP WORKERS!
WE ARE BEING RUINED BY THE EU AND OUR POLITICIANS. VOTE UKIP AND PUT AN END TO THIS MADNESS.
'Land of Hope and Glory', what a pathetic joke.
"Dosey Dave,and his pals cannot understand why A & E depts are over stretched and cannot cope, What to you think all these immigrants go if they cut there finger ,,,,go to A&E they have no doctor, And by the way Richard UKIP is not the only party that wants to put a stop to SOME immigration The B.N.P wants to stop ALL IMMIGRATION.
Great Britain R.I.P. Welcome to UK 2.0
I moved from Plymouth because of the Loony Left council there. It used to be referred to as 'Lambeth-by-the-Sea'.
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because............................... - barking snail, nottingham, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 7:27 The reason is because DC is a spineless nothing and we do not have a real powerful minister in charge of immigration whether it is from the EU or anywhere else. It is all smoke and mirrors and no action is beingtaken by anyone.
This country needs a tidy up, a very comprehensive deep clean and has done for a long while.
"Smug", "self-regarding, "bigots"? Coo, that`s a case of pot and kettle if ever I heard one!
Here's one option for those of you less enthused by this: presumably if 26 million Romanians and Bulgarians move here there will be two completely empty countries which you could take over and vote for whatever brand of reactionary UKIP/EDL party you form over there.
We needed a party like UKIP actually in power before the end of this year when the flow of Romanians to Britain will become a tidal wave. Now it's too late, can anyone believe that these shanty towns will be dismantled and the occupants sent back? Of course not, all we can expect is expensive building projects to give them somewhere proper to live courtesy of the British taxpayer. Thanks Tony & Dave.
Romania will be a nice place to live next year. All the scum will be in the UK. Perhaps we should think of moving out there !
Come 1/1/14 there will be no going back. They will put down roots and even if we exit Europe it will be too late. Simple economics state we cannot afford them. Nothing racist about it. If I moved there and demanded similar, id be sent packing. We forget that Romania for one has many social issues and deprivation we haven't seen for 100's of years. If we don't pull out of this lunacy, there will be no British people that contribute left in the UK. We have lost our rights, privileges and identity. It doesn't pay to work, earn more than £35k and live in the UK
And here's me thinking they can't come in until next year what a load of twaddle vote UKIP its our only chance vote UKIP at the local elections then 2015 vote UKIP believe me its our only hope the politicians on all sides of the house just want to be on top of the pile of c**p Vote UKIP
Well said....can't we have more like him who are prepared to speak out for OUR RIGHTS.
Sad.... Sorry to the war dead in ww2 you wasted your time, we have now given our country away
Nobody should be allowed in to our Country with no money and no where to live end of. This is what is going to happen. They are homeless in there own Country so they come here expecting to get housed at the Tax Payers Expense. Thats what the Campaign Cameron launched to try and stop them from coming here should have said not tell them about the bloody weather.
We had a story yesterday about a woman who put a mobile home in her backyard for her elderly mother to live in, which is undeniably an eyesore, but of course her council has asked for it to be removed. Burgeoning shanty towns have sprung up around Southall quite some time ago but seemingly they go unnoticed in spite of the fact that many are living there in dangerous conditions. We now have another shanty town in Hendon. Not to mention various groups of Eastern Europeans who live rough in woods and commons in Eastern England and latterly caves around the River Mersey. IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE PROGRESS? Then of course there are Roma gypsies who seem to be allowed to roll up and parks themselves all over prime parts of London. WHY? On the subject Romas, their history tells us that they have been living in Eastern Europe for close on 1000 years but are clearly reviled there and have don't seem to have been assimilated, but somehow we are supposed to accommodate them without question.
GET US OUT NOW
When will the week, spineless, overpaid, incompetent, lazy and uninterested politicians wake up and listen to the people of the uk. We do not want or need an influx of foreigners. Our healthcare and welfare systems are already stretched. Why oh why oh why should we provide translators in OUR hospitals ? No English no entry. I am slowly becoming more embarrassed at how we are known worldwide as the soft touch and easy option for spongers and criminals. GET A GRIP.
Sorry colin but most people in the north voted labour just because of the word labour now you and every one in the country is paying for it!
And we get told we would have to pull down an extension 1 inch bigger than the plan. Or build a wendy house for the kids in the back garden. All hell would break loose if we were to pitch a tent up where ever we wanted. And yet the Councils let this eyesure making our Country look like a dump can get away with it. I have said it before those living near should with draw there Council tax until this is cleared you would soon see than move then.
As long as LibLabCon can guarantee that British workers race to compete with workers' wages in Vietnam, China, India and Bangladesh, they'll keep their corporate paymasters happy. New Labour started the ball rolling - noticed any difference lately? Thought not.
Cameron is deluded, weak and his own agenda which includes not listening to the people.
Its a secret government plan to get us out of the EU. By letting in 3million migrants causing a housing shortage, school shortage, maternity crisis, crime wave etc people will vote to leave the EU and thus Cameron will get his wish of Britain out the EU. Its the only reason I can think of letting tens of thousands of homeless, poor people into Britain.
Vote UKIP. Get us out of Europe then we can control our borders.
You can't taking people in when you are full, we still have 2.5million unemployed at home we don't need anymore job seekers.
MR CAMERON, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, AND DEAL WITH IT NOW! INSTEAD OF GOING OFF TO IBIZA PAY A VISIT TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THESE PEOPLE, AND SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT THE LIVING CONDITIONS ARE LIKE. AND INSTEAD OF CUTTING BACK SERVICES, SUPPORT LOCAL POLICE WHO ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS. BEFORE THE ELECTION YOU TOLD US WHAT YOU INTENDED TO DO. WELL YOU DIDN'T SORT OUT THE BANKERS, DO MUCH A IF ANYTHING ABOUT MP'S EXPENSES, BUT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. WE PAY TOWARDS THE EU; ASK THEM TO HELP US.
Stable door and a horse seems to be the Libcon motto - think they missed out a word and also the whole point ( yet again)
Thank you, New Labour.
Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/06/2013 05:45 People like you are the reason this country is in ruins, we are not 'racist' for wanting our country back! I suggest you find yourself a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word before you start throwing it around where it doesn't belong!
UKIP for me, call me Dave is a downright disgrace and the sooner he goes the better.- Jonno, Perth, Australia, 14/6/2013 4:06 =========================== Why does who you vote for matter when you live half way round The World?
Stop the World,he wants to get off.
You should not be allowed entry unless you have employment and/or the means to support yourself better still leave the EU!
Having voted and supported the Conservatives for over 40 years it's UKIP for me, my family and friends from now on. How dare these LibLabCon politicians allow foreign criminals, layabouts and scroungers not only into the UK but be so incompetent as to have no means of removing them because a FOREIGN POWER, Brussels, and a foreign court, the ECHR says we cannot. It is high time we told Brussels and the ECHR that enough is enough - and if they don't like it, tough. If UKIP get enough MPs in 2015 and they are in a position to hold the balance of power in Parliament we may be able to send these undesirable packing. Who knows, we may eventually reclaim OUR country! Meanwhile, we will just have to put up with it and watch Typhoid, Cholera and TB and Polio return to the UK - TB is already here. We didn't vote for this, we don't want this, politicians have no right to allow this but what else can we do apart from voting for the only party which will put a stop to this? Vote UKIP.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society - LogieBear, Auckland, New Zealand, 14/6/2013 4:09 ========================== Most in the UK would agree with you but the problem is that it's illegal to do so because of the free movemnet laws set up by the EU and signed into (from the UK's side) by Labour. It's one of the reasons why so many want to pull out of the EU so we can control our own country and not be dictated to by European bureacracy
Calm: The Prime Minister David Cameron insists the UK will not have 'another Polish situation' when restrictions on Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants are relaxed next year. =========== Does he indeed. It's high time the fool got the hell out of UK as well as politics.
I know present Bulgaria and have lived there. The average Bulgarian would delighted if all the Roma moved out, and with good reason.
In my youth, my boyfriend and I who were on a hitch-hiking holiday in France decided to have a nap in the sun one afternoon on the grass outside the Louvre. Within minutes, we were being kicked awake by the police and told to 'degage'!
I like the word "obfuscated". No idea what it means but it's good.
UKIP! Enough said!
Your "piece" is delibaretly, I suspect, misleading. Those "East Europeans" as you callthem are in fact mostly ethnic gypsies, or Roms as they prefer to be called, racially and culturally rather closer to East Indians living in UK. The lived for several hundreds years in south and central Europe - including Romania and Bulgaria and almost nowhere they assimilated or at least accomodated to the host cultures. Since now economic and social climate for them is by far more favourable in UK (or Spain, for that matter) they move to our countries.
I wish Richard Littlejohn was in no.10.
Is this the future, shanty towns and poverty?
Nothing will stop them. It has to come from the top, and it never will.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 17:45 Romanians/Bulgarians aren't a race. Have you considered the possibility that people might actually not be racist, just fed up with so many people coming in and doing nothing except being a drain on the system?
They say we voted for this in 1975 and I thought and was assured by Mr Heath and his fellow conspirators we were joining a trading group.
My daughter, English born and bred, with degree, talented, bilingual, is in pokey B&B accommodation, homeless through no fault of her own, waiting to be allocated a council flat. She is not allowed to work whilst there, and is left with £32 per week to keep herself.
These problems can all be solved at the next election..
We have enough British families on benefits to worry about. We dont need half of the Romanian/ Polish population as well. Whilst in London the past 2 weeks, I felt like a foreigner. I don't mind people coming here to work, but they don't work. And with jobs so scarce we should be encouraging British people to work, not foreigners. No wonder this country is broke. I'll be voting UKIP next time - and even that might not be enough to get rid of them.
When are we going to get a Government that actually does what the majority of the people want? Why do we have to cowtow to the EU all of the time? What would actually happen to us if we broke the EU rules for once and stood up to them? Just deport them all for goodness sake!!!!!
Don¿t talk rot, it¿s the neocon capitalists who have kept the borders open so they can drive down wages, any self respecting lefty can clearly tell the difference between those who choose to blame and attack the immigrants who search for a better life and those who are responsible for the turmoil in the world. It is in fact people like you who choose not to discuss the real issues and instead seek to blame the innocent. If you look back to the likes of tony Benn and Michael foot in the 70¿s and 80¿s they sought to protect the borders, keep us out of Europe and protect british jobs for british people, it was in fact the right wing neo-cons of the thatcher era that set the stage for European integration, porous borders, mass unemployment and rotten living conditions but you don¿t want to talk about that, so what do you want to talk about? how much you hate immigrants? Lets make it clear we have Tory government who are doing nothing to change anything,
If they haven't got an address and a job they shouldn't be allowed in and we should defy the EU and do as France does when they don't like something. Long live UKIP!!!
You are showing gypsies!!they are bulgarian and romanian citizens but they are roma!!
England is not really England any more, as it seems to me to be mostly a large refugee camp full of a lot of undesireables. Surely people who wander over here moving from one shanty town in their own country, to making another one here, do not really have any skills that will be useful to this country, as there is hardly likely to be a budding rocket scientist amongst them ?. The only skills they bring with them are the abilities to beg and pick pocket and plead poverty. More than likely they pleaded poverty in their own countries which didn't get them very far, so now they come to England where they reckon their pleas of poverty will be taken much more seriously, and they will benefit very much from it.
Add richness to our culture...Lazy British workers.... Treacherous, destructive simpletons, we won't have a culture soon. I wish you'd go to Bulagaria.
Don't pay your council tax until the council have tidied up !
"Mr Littlejohn, the country is a mess and going downhill at an accelerating rate." - Chris , Woodbridge, 14/6/2013 04:09. This has been the case since I learned to talk about 60 years ago. The term they used then was "The Country is going to the dogs". I have no idea what "going to the dogs" means but it doesn't sound good. Previously, The Country, was "Going to Hell in a handcart". Wherever The Country is going, it is obviously taking a very long time to arrive, centuries in fact, probably something to do with The Department of Transport. Are you going downhill fast, Chris? If so I suggest you do something about it. I am afraid that you won't find Nigel Farage of much help, he is far too busy trying to prevent The Country going downhill, to deal with individual cases. Personally, I am doing OK, so I am really just a spectator in all this, though I must say it sounds pretty awful and I sympathise with anyone who is directly involved in all this "Downhill" business.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2 , ipswich ..... I first read this as sarcasm and green arrowed it. Then I read it again, and actually think it may be genuine. Wow.
Immigration is the only way Milliband and company can increase their vote so if they get back in government expect the floodgates to open wide.
It Is JUNE now we have until DECEMBER to stop these people coming here we must get our mp's to stop this we must get them to listen to us. If you think anything about your country we must act to stop this before its to late.We are sitting ducks waiting for this to happen when we can stop it.
Dave's just a posh waffler. The voters can see that, most of his MPs can see that, the immigrants can see that. Only Dave's mirror reflection is telling him all is neat and dandy in the wonderful world of economic migration.
'And they tell us the EU & immigration is a good thing for the UK!!! - Birricchinoman, Gothenburg' Give credit where it is due: Miliband, Clegg and Cable are vocal supporters of the benefits of large-scale immigration. The problems stemming from uncontrolled immigration are entirely self-inflicted: they have not been the work of agencies or individuals beyond these shores. The French sorted the Roma problem in quick time: clearance of the slum encampments and the 'residents' were forcibly deported! That solution beats the 'don't come here, it rains a lot' strategy.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2 , ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 06:45...oh the irony! You just don't see it do you?
The remarks of tiffersno2 only go to prove what Littlejohn wrote!!
Yes, we now Mr Littlejohn about your views. Each and other of your articles only proves them.
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY are we allowing these gypsies to settle where they want? Does no-one care? What are the Government doing? For heaven's sake I despair for our country!!!!
Ahh. England to get invaded? The chickens have come home to roost!
Great Britain no longer has an empire, we are not responsible for the European population. Let foreign governments look after their own people and for once please make the UK government look after its own people. The skills, the knowledge and the work ethics are already here. Just look at the efforts the British people make to leave unemployment and gain a job.
If that had been my daughter I would have had to resort to taking punishment myself - and the judge would have been to blame.
Someone has to replace all the high skilled Brits heading for the scorching summers and glorious winters of Western Australia. Good luck with that.
Am I missing something here or is Richard blaming the previous administration for failing to act on an illegal squatter camp which has only been in existence for the last few months. If so it does it seem unreasonable to expect that our Government might actually have the guts to do soemthing rather than blaming the incumbents of 4 years ago. Furthermore it was the Tories who took us into Europe and the Tories who signed The Maastricht Treaty and the Tories have been in power for sometime now. Is this the true nature of the Conservatives the complete inability to accept responsibility for anything even when enacted under their governance ? And if Cameron hasn't got the balls to exercise power and sort out this mess then perhaps he should hand over to somebody who has.
Couldn't we find them campsites in Camden, Notting Hill and Barnes etc on the lefties' doorsteps?
STOP letting them in, and kick those already here OUT. It`s straight forward. Give two fingers to Brussels, the same as the rest of Europe do, unless Brussels want them there....?.
Blair and labours Britain, those of you that vote Labour and Liberal are the cause please remember at the next election, plus Cameron is weak the only answer for this Country is UKIP>
They should be stopped by the police and if they have no visible means of support and/or cannot speak the language and have no proof they are taking lessons they should be out the same week. On a plane preferably Ryanair!
You are quite wrong, Richard. According to Matthew Wright.....very few Romanians et al will come here next year, and will certainly not expect anything from the taxpayer!!!!
I blame the liberal democrats they have ruined this country with there policies and there influence in the coalition they treat public money like its there own
One thing the governinging classes don't seem to acknowledge, is that even if these immigrants do work- in most cases for less than the legal minimum wage- they are preventing others of the indigenous population: unskilled men, young people and mums, who supplement their families' income by working a few hours a day waitressing or cleaning, from working. It's a mess, and it won't get any better until these head in the sand politicians see the reality of the situation.
Not only exactly what you say but also if you are a UK citizen who has paid in all your life you will see your pension cut to pay for them, you will receive less healthcare to pay for them, you will get less benefits to pay for them, you will have to work longer to pay for them - basically YOUR quality of life will be slashed just to pay for them. This country is completely screwed unless a seriously radical change of Government is made in 2015. If you get Labour or the Tories back in power in 2015, the country WILL descend into total destruction. - L. G. , Berkshire, 14/6/2013 05:49 - There are no jobs and not enough houses, there's no water or money, now "they" are saying there's no food [though I don't suppose "their" taxpayer-subsidised restaurants will be cutting out meat] and still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/06/2013 05:45 That's right, bring out the 'race' card. It's because of the 'leftists' the country is in the state it is.
Isn't it great to live in an asylum run by lunatics? In another news item it is stated that 4 out of five people think that politicians care for themselves before others. I wonder why only 4 out of 5, who are the other deluded 20%?
Opening border controls? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this mean that I ( from the US) can move to UK? I thought it was really REALLY hard to get permission to move and live there. - cpw , USA, 14/6/2013 04:42.....................................................You've got to be joking! If only you could see what is happening in reality, you're only seeing the news items.....Everything is straining above capacity, Read about problems in the NHS, Water shortages, Gas supply levels, clogged roads. Government debts at record levels, crime going unpunished because there's no money to pursue offenders........ There's far too many people on our tiny island and they just keep letting more in!
Lol, this made me laugh: 'since they have a far superior work ethic to the bone-idle British' Considering we in the UK work the longest hours a week, take less holidays and even have less time off on the sick. Nice article but get all your facts correct!
I feel so much anger and sadness ,We can do nothing to stop these people coming in to our country,voting for a party that stood for your values and ideals at least made one feel connected with the country and others of similar political views.Now voting for any party is a waste of time as politicians become more focused on their careers after political lives are over and their manifesto promises are just lies to get the vote.I am petrified of what is in store for our wonderful country and there is nothing I can do about it.I will vote UKIP but I feel that it will not be enough,something has to be done now before any more migrants come here and ruin our once amazing island
I feel so much anger and sadness ,We can do nothing to stop these people coming in to our country,voting for a party that stood for your values and ideals at least made one feel connected with the country and others of similar political views.Now voting for any party is a waste of time as politicians become more focused on their careers after political lives are over and their manifesto promises are just lies to get the vote.I am petrified of what is in store for our wonderful country and there is nothing I can do about it.I will vote UKIP but I feel that it will not be enough,something has to be done now before any more migrants come here and ruin our once amazing island
This just sickens me to my stomach CLOSE THE BORDERS. we don't want them here.
The French rounded them up and kicked them out - last time I looked they were in the EU.
No doubt Britons will be leaving UK in droves. Good idea, as long as they don't come to France. But they won't will they. They won't qualify for benefits. Which is why Eastern Europeans don't come here very much.
Our political system means we rarely get what we vote for, party leaders pursue their own agendas w once voted in
What a sensible truthful article on the subject !!
Ignorance is no defence in law. We Brits all know and have to pay the price, but this lot coming in seem to get away with it...
Game over for England. Rip
Immigrants have come to this country for centuries. My own great grandparents came here to escape persecution in their homeland. The only real difference is that they came to Work, Integrate and Contribute. The situation now is that poorer countries who have fiddled their admission to the EU are now being encouraged to offload their problem population onto our health and benefits system instead of raising living standards for their own people. We joined a trading association to benefit our own people and economy as did every other EU state. We did not sign up to be the cash cow of the world just because an arrogant, unelected elite have decided that we should be impoverished by some vast, flawed social experiment. Give me my country back. VOTE UKIP. We only need to do it once then we could return to our tribal voting patterns....if we could ever trust LIBLABCON again.
We are becoming a 3rd world country
Mr Littlejohn..Can you please recall what Cameron said about reducing immigrtion to tens of thousands as one of his election promises that he has broken. Last year half a million immigrants entered the UK The border agency is not fit for purposes due to the tory cuts and the redundancies made.
Mr Littlejohn knows very well it is matter for Barnet Council and the owner of the site in hendon to take action in this matter, under article 45 of the treaty on the functioning of the EU, EU nationals have the right to free movement within the EU and as we know there many many british nationals have done and moved to such places as spain, Bulgaria and Romania have some temporary restrictions till the end of 2013. If Mr Littlejohn does not like being in the EU then may be he should vote against being in the EU when ever we all get a chance or may be stand for UKIP in the next GE. In mean time it is up to Barnet Council to take legal action and clear the site.
I despair! How do we escape this hell hole? No one will have me and my husband at 49 ... no country will take us unless we are the right age with the right professional qualifications.
Dessicration of a country by politicians. Not only are huge areas turned into slums, but British culture is being destroyed, British towns are being destroyed, British shops are no longer British, and in many areas the British people are looked down upon as a minority who shouldn't be there. To qualify, our politicians have ruined this country. Can it ever be returned to how it was? Unfortunately not. Can things be halted? Probably not, with our weak leaders. Will Cristianity disappear? Almost certainly, and quicker than people realise.
Leave the EU and stay in the single market. Apply to join NAFTA.
Voting UKIP may be , unfortunately, the only way to get rid of the spineless lily-livered wets who have controlled our country for so long. Unfortunately it was all of us who put them there in the first place and now I think it's not a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, rather trying to shut the gate but finding it impossible due to the thousands of eastern europeans wedging it open with their bodies. Heaven help us all.
Just why isn't the law as it stands vigourously enforced, just like it is in France when they send in the CRS to deal with camps,etc. The right of Free Movement ONLY exists to those who do NOT become a burden on the hosting state. Anything else should mean immediate deportation, with no return for at least 5 years.
Just deport them,see what Brussels does and ignore,then don't pay any fine imposed,get thrown out of the E.Usless,patrol our own borders,simple really!!!
Often working 14 hours a day for the pleasure of paying 40% income tax, a) I am not lazy, work shy Britons are a minority and it's the governments fault, and b) I am furious I'll have to pay for these people.
yeah, look at "them" living in those plush, hotel-like shanty towns. high on the hog, they are! ridiculous article.
Great article, lets start the debate, this cannot go on. It's time the government acted
Any party that takes us of the EU gets my vote, I have never been more determined in my life and before my life ends I wish to see us leave and we will if we stop voting tor liblabcon. This will put an end to it all, a cross against any party but not these parasites.
Chris - Woodbridge... What's so special about UKIP; they are also politicians so why should they respond in the same way as the current shower. Once in power, everything they have said goes out of the window. Politicians are fundamentally tellers of untruths. Bobby, Leicester
There is only one way, VOTE UKIP and then we can take back OUR country. My father fought in the Royal Air Force in WW2 along with thousands of other members of other English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh ie the real British, we owe it to them and ourselves to reclaim our Great Britain.
Get us out of the EU or we are FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have had Tory governments as well as Labour governments. In fact we have one now. Secretly the Tories like migration because it provides an endless stream of cheap, non-union labour.
This has been coming for years , all thanks to lefty self-righteous traitors the country has been well and truly invaded. The only advise I can give to anyone back in broken Britain is to pack up and get out while you can. Things just ain't gonna get any better . They can't even deport one hate preacher,never mind a rabble living in cardboard boxes. No other country in the world is daft enough to take em!
Great these people have more rights than myself in my country, I'm married to a Canadian and had to leave as her visa run out and due to a costly visa minefield looks like we will be forced out of my country, so a non tax payer can now take my place....well done Cameron
First of all I dont blame the migrants whatever their race. We have become doormats for the rest of Europe and the blame lies squarely on our wimpy, gutless politicians who have invited migrants in with open arms. I can see London parks taken over by homeless EU migrants, they will turn London into a cesspit, and tourism will suffer, but hey Cameron is not worried, he thinks they will go elsewhere, end of.....
Why is this being allowed? I despair.
But we ARE all guilty Richard, guilty of being mug enough to put up with it, guilty of voting the rabble that allows it to happen into power.
The best way to discourage them, is to just not let them in!!!!
What is happening to this country; what will it be like when my grandchildren grow up its frightening. We have to get rid of this coward of a government and vote UKIP.
if I lived opposite these parks where their camping on I would refuse to pay my council tax.
Can't you deport the politicians to Romania and Bulgaria then they can offer them benefits and houses to return home.
The government don't do responsibility, if fact their only, self appointed, responsibility is to corporations and to the finance industry. One could make a compelling argument for british democracy having been usurped by a foreign power. We are living in a corporatocracy and corporations care only about a good supply of the cheapest labour.
I have never thought about leaving this country, but my wife and I have the kind of skills that would enable us to emigrate. But I think for my children's future I am going to do it.
breaks my heart to see Hendon fc like this.
I would welcome with open arms all eastern Europeans to the UK, i think everybody has the right to better themselves, it not as if theirs not enough green fields to build on back home.
Those are real Roma gypsies, with their own language and culture.Dont forget Germans want to gas them as well as Jews during WW2 I'm sure people in Romania, Hungary etc are happy they are leaving for western Europe as they are nomads.
breaks my heart to see the home of Hendon fc like this.
There is clear answer to these problems. At the next General Election, vote for the party who has promised to say "No more" and to restore control of our own borders to these shores. If people don't do that they will only have themselves to blame for the consequences.
If the British were more willing to work hard then there wouldn't be the opportunities to work in Britain drawing foriegners in. The people coming here are not benefit scroungers, they've come here to work. Which is a lot more than can be said for a large number of 'native' Brits.! I expect at least a +1000 rating for this comment.
Being from Stockport, I can happily tell you that a Romanian in a cave has had no affect upon me whatsoever!
Couldn't the jury put an opinion up for sentencing i.e 300 years and deportation for the judge to consider
If no one shifts them and tells them "This is not how we live in Britain!" then we will see more of these shanty towns!
What is the point of complaining? One thing is for certain, they will never sleep rough in Downing St, there are metal gates to prevent this! Dave's all right Jack!
The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, lives in a luxury apartment in the Palace of Westminster at our expense. That probably leaves a home elsewhere, possibly also purchased at our expense, which he could throw open to all visiting Romanians.
When are we going to fight back?.....when we're in the sea?
Punish Cameron and punish Miliband at the polls, neither of these must sit in Government again!
Coming to a town near you.
Agh, a UKIP i told you so. I remember the common sense tour Nigel Farage did, labour sent along some hecklers, who when he talked about the romanian and blugarians being allowed to come in jan, he was mean by shouts of "scare mongering" "lies" "racist". As we all knew and expected it seems he is right, just like he has been on so many other issues. I wish to thank the daily mail for finally saying something positive about UKIP. However i think more should have been done to point out the Pro UKIP theme here like they would have done if the tories said it!!
Couldn't the people whom fall foul of the bedroom tax accommodate some?
All the Lisbon treaty achieved was to allow one country to shift its problem to an other , and then allow them to wash there hands of there resposiblities
I am actually really scared about what will be "Britain" this time next year
The Roma Gypsy issue has been around for a hundred years or more and has never been solved so how on earth should we in the UK be subjected as a test bed to resolve it.? The government and all parties have had enough advanced warning about how the voting public dread Jan 2014 and still do noting about it! It just makes you feel so let down by the political elite.
There are approximately the same amount of British and US expats living in Estonia right now, as Estonian citizens in UK. What should we do, deport them also?
Traitorous Blair and Camoron have disgraced themselves and have and are slowly but surely decimating this country!
all you ever hear from this government is how many british there are claiming benefits they do nothing to stop the thousands of immigrants who are coming from other countries claiming benefits. its time to put our own people first
Well written and very worrying piece.....at the risk of being labelled un 'pc' I think no work or place to live should equal no entry to the UK. end of.
And Cameron claims Britain's place is at the heart of Europe! Cameron's place is surely in a padded cell where he can longer do any harm to the country?
I fail to understand why they're being allowed to stay whilst the border controls barring their entry until next year are still in place. It also puts paid to Mr Cameron's silly theory that bad weather and new rules on benefits will deter them.
I'm sure these people come here with good intentions, of looking for work etc, it isn't their fault if there's no jobs. It is a shame about the 4million Brits who haven't got work either, but that's multiculturalism for you. The government should run some training schemes for them, and give them English lessons to help them in their quest for employment. Our local Big issue sellers are all Rumanian and they are nice friendly people,
"Conditions must be pretty dreadful at home if a cave in Stockport is a step up the housing ladder" ...Absolutely priceless, ive spat coffee all over my keyboard. - neil, peterborough, 14/6/2013 3:47 Location, location, location. A cave in a decent area maybe, but a cave in Stockport, that really is a depressing thought All the best Dave
Three things really scare me about all political parties; a) They are startlingly incompetent b). What decisions they do make are completely contrary to public wishes. c). They are in total denial of any detrimental effects of their decisions. The emotive commentators on this site say Britain is finished, and it may well be if we don't fundamentally change our approach to this sort of problem. Voting won't do it, and neither will indignant posts on newspaper websites, it needs the public to stand up and scream "We're not going to take it any more". I'm screaming...anybody listening?
The problem is, the 3 established parties have sold their souls to the EU. Any attempt to block the EU's ultimate goal, of a United States or Europe run by the unelected, would be seen as an attack on the EU and their place at the trough would be removed, hence our current politicians would rather be subservient to the EU than risk losing their place on the Gravy Train.........
Depwavid 02:52 is right. On balance mass immigration is related to the availability of state largesse in the UK. He is also right that most immigrants and certainly those receiving state largesse would support the "Big State" party (Labour). Lord Mandelson is on the record explaining how immigration was part of the New Labour secret strategy to become permanently in power in the UK. Hopefully more and more voters realise that if they vote in Labour in 2015, mass immigration as government strategy will resume. If voters do not realise this I would refer them to an Einstein quotation: Insanity = repeating the same course of action and expecting a different outcome. Labour if returned will waste money and promote multi-culturism / mass immigration.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society - LogieBear , Auckland, New Zealand, 14/6/2013 04:09.........the problem is the EU wont let us. only UKIP want to be independant and make our own rules
sure, I'll carry on working until I'm at least 90 or dead so someone else can scrounge off my hard earned taxes, oh and remove the retirement date, I doubt I will live long enough to reach it by the time I retire, shall I write my will straight over to the government so they can give it all away too? Getting very fed up with all this now ...
Immigration is totally out of control and the party that will actually do something about it (not just talk about it) will get my vote
The Border Agency is renowned for its ineptitude, especially when it comes to finding fault with one of their own front line staff. They ignored my complaint re an abuse of power and petulance at the immediate time of the incident. Failed to respond to a written complaint until the third complaint arrived with them via an MP in charge of the Home Office department. Then a further six months and various vacuous responses ending with a suggestion that their records could not authenticate my complaint but that, and this is a good one, they had asked staff but no one could recall the incident. This despite an extremely good description of the individual and his two female colleagues, the date and time of the incident within a 10 minute +/- time scale and the fact that all my documentation, passport, car papers and other documents were taken from me for one can only assume a computer search. So glad I do not need to come back to Blighty, good luck to you all.
Raise the drawbridge! We are an island. If we can't defend our boarders what hope have we got?
We have run out of decent housing. We run out of water during the summer. We were on the verge of running out of gas during this winter. We are struggling to keep up with our electricity demand. Our NHS service has already burst at the seams. And still the government allows migration by some of the most undesirables from Eastern Europe. We can't house or feed our own people but we can find money to accommodate Somalians, etc. in million pound houses. Who then moan that they are hard done by. We must stop immigration and migration. The student visa situation is a joke. It is used by foreigners to get access to Britain to then disappear never to be found again. When will the government realise we are full up and overflowing. We need to send some of them back. And now.
Anyone noticed how the French deal with this ! They are supposedly under the same EU rules as us but they know the French people will have no truck with these illegal immigrants setting up camp willy nilly. What does Brussels do about the French police action - nothing! What do we do? Make hand wringing excuses for inaction while they consolidate these shanty towns into major campsites. And BTW : what happened to the CLEAR rule that these immigrants had to claim asylum in the FIRST free country they arrived in - not travel across numerous safe countries to get to mugs of Europe ... Yes, the UK
The problem would be dealt with pretty swiftly if these "slums" were torn down and re-erected outside the homes of politicians. Their presence has no detrimental effect on those living in Downing Street, Connaught Court, Chipping Norton or any of the tax payer funded mansions occupied by politicians in central London.
The French appear to have no difficulty in breaking up these illegal encampments and deporting the inhabitants on the next plane back to Romania. So just why are the British incapable of doing the same?
I fear it is already to late to stop. Germany has already warned us as to what we might expect, but we have shut our eyes Until we are rid of EU domination, and get some politicians with balls, that will defend this country, this sort of thing will continue.
Very well put, I gree with all that has been written. We will wake up and find it all to late when the real problems start. When the people of Uk take to the street to clear them.
Unfortunately when you treat and view people as sheep you ain't going to convince the wealthy farmers into thinking things would not be more profitable if they could just squeeze a few more animals onto the farm.
I cannot get over what has happened to this country. Worst of all noone is doing anything. With all the spongers from around the world, there will be nothing left for future generations. What is the point of working so hard all your life? I pat tax evaders on the back. Cant say i blame them
The problem is, that we are not asking "What benefits are these people bringing to Britain by their presence?"...We are like acting like a victim and accepting crime and disregard for our customs. We should deport all these nuisances back to their various homelands. If nothing is done London will become a large slum.There must be a law already in existence which allows these people to be moved on. Clean up the shanty towns in the back gardens of certain London Boroughs too. That is against planning rules.. Since we have had all these troubles with life in Britain, it appears to me that the problem is not so much not having the laws but the fact they are not implemented. ...Who is failing to implement the law of the land?..................Why are they not using the laws? ...Why are we employing people who cannot /will not do their jobs? ......Who/What is hampering judges from acting tougher?...Can we all start camping in the parks for free when we visit London?...So much cheaper.
as long as they stay in london the more the Merrier,preferably outside the house of commons
Comments say get rid of Cameron. What ,and then Labour will be in power,then you will slide into third world status very quickly.
I would just like to remind everyone that it costs us £55 million pounds PER DAY to be members of the EU. You could build a lot of houses or refurbish a lot of caves for that sort of money and create a lot of jobs into the bargain.
I hate to have to say this but with the arrival of such poorly educated and ill-mannered migrants, Britain has gone down the hills. They come here to work but they hardly spend their money here- instead they send it home to their families. These people make not the slightest effort to learn English and there are so many who have lived in the UK for at least 20 years and still can't string together proper words in English. I know of at least one Eastern European who lived illegally in the US for 15 good years and then moved legally to the UK 5 years ago and guess what, he still can't speak English. Neither does he pay tax on his earnings (from undercutting British labor). Yet the government has prevaricated over and over again about immigration and the EU
I'm very sad that incompetent and downright selfish MP's are devastating the UK. Labour thought they could bring in votes, the coalition are too weak to 'do the right thing' whatever that means? All our infrastructure is collapsing under the weight of people abusing the system, madness
Starting with Bliar, then following on with Cameron, the lie of multiculturalism being good for the UK has been spread wide and far. However, a once reasonably law abiding country, with the mother of all parliaments, has been taken down the toilet. We have dishonest politicians, all hoping for jobs in the EU where they can steal the expense money and line up huge pensions, they take cash for questions, cheap loans and jobs for when they retire. If they lose their seats, it is like the average person winning the lottery with them receiving cash payouts, keeping stolen expense funds and generous pensions. Of to so some sunny shore far away from the mess that is the UK. Not for them to worry about the crime, unemployment, destruction of the social services that all these immigrants will bring. They couldn't control the influx of illegals from the near and far east, this new bunch are legal, so there is no prospect of controlling them.
The rich lefties with power (including Cameron and his motley crew) just want the luxury of being seen to have a social conscience and be generally good eggs. They live in wealth and luxury most of us can only dream of and are never personally affected by their pious rants. Nasty hypocrites the lot of them. VOTE UKIP.
coming to a town near you
Vintage column from Richard today. NO ONE should be allowed to settle in the country unless they can prove that: a) they have come to invest money in the economy to create employment, b) they have specific skills that are not available in the UK, c) they have sufficient funds to support themselves without recourse to public funds. Obviously no criminals or people from hate cultures should be allowed either. Is that extremist or just common sense?
Wouldn't be tolerated in France no matter what eu ruling said otherwise. Just kick the parasites out. Can't blame this one entirely on Dodgy Dave though as it was labour who opened the doors to more prospective voters. Shows the type of people labour represents!
depwavid, from Panama city is dead right.....The first time I saw Nobama spouting his ideas, I said ``There is Blair mark Two``.....One of Blairs first pronouncements was ``We are going to change this country, once and for all``..........Thanks Tony.
No Richard. The blame lies with those who vote Labour, Liberal and Tory. They are the people who want us in the EU, so the fault is entirely theirs.
Glad I got out. Such a shame to see Britain in such a mess due to weak politicians.
I really fear for this country come January the first, we are inviting trouble and there is not one politician in westminster with the guts to admit it. By the time of the GE all the talk will be, what do we do about immigration,Cameron will go down in history as the man who quite happily let this happen.
Yes, but let's be fair to Cameron. It's true he doesn't care a damn about immigration; absurd rules from the EC; violence on the streets; the lazy getting paid our money for lying in bed at home; the health service dropping to third world standards, the courts allowing criminals to go scot free, etc, etc, etc. But give the man his due: he is fanatical about homosexual "marriage" and, after all, this is what the MPs and House of Lords care about not to mention the BBC and THE GUARDIAN.
These stories often talk about how these scroungers always want to prefer the UK for 'colonisation." Not too hard to figure out (though the reporters often seem confused. A Panorama program a few years ago followed third world (not legal EU) immigrants from Africa on the underground railroad they use all the way to get to Calais. At Calais was the only barrier they found along the way--before it was open borders and they easily got into Greece from Turkey. The reporter for Panorama interviewed some of the young men waiting to jump on the lorries headed across the channel. "Why UK?" she asked. "You are in an EU country now. Why not France? Germany? You've already come through there." One young man looked at the reporter as if she were moronic and said "Oh no. We want UK. In Uk we get house. We get money. We get EVERYTHING in UK. Here were get nothing." They all know this. Why don't the numpties inside our own country know why they are flocking here first choice?
uk is planned as dumping ground for the worlds trash--we are an island and eu can control our borders
Politicians don't care they live in nice secluded areas with large pensions to indulge themselves. Pity they don't come out of parliament and have a look around the streets and see what they have done to the country. Has Blair and his cronies apologised for the state the country is in. All they do is downsize the military and Police force, so no protection for the ordinary citizen.
Well done mr littlejohn, another insightful article.
Fearing being called a racist is ridiculous, somebody somewhere needs to acknowledge that our beautiful country is far too small to cope with huge numbers of immigrants, living here feels like we are bursting at the seams already. Villages will have to start becoming areas of towns soon at this rate, and somebody needs to do something about it.
Having lived in Denmark, I know for a fact that European countries laugh at Britain for its slavish obedience to EU laws. Even the cooperation-loving Scandinavians break them when it suits!
' We let anyone in.com ' formally Great Britain
Vote UKIP. Can't wait for 2015 - do it now.
What is wrong with the local council. Move them on. Local taxpayers should be putting pressure on their local council to clear up the area
Honestly I do not see why they can't be kicked out. Every other country would.
can anyone tell me what benefits we get by being part of the EU? Can anyone tell me if we live in a democracy why can we not have a referendum on the Eu?
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because...............................
Why don't the fire brigade go in with the hoses and wash these cess pits away after first setting fire to the rubbish .Just how much are we expected to tolerate in this country before the police /councils and first and foremost the government do something about this invasion of immigrants. WE in this country are far too tolerant to the lawbreakers and undesirables coming into this country. We are being dragged into this mess purely by Brussels laws on too many issues we must have a referendum now and not in four years time.i
Its all very well to say "Vote UKIP" but it will be too late by then, won't it? What happens if 5 million Romanians/Bulgarians come pouring through the borders on 1st January? The British people need to do something NOW!
If we could be confident that the new arrivals will contribute as much to our economy as some of their Eastern European neighbours, such as the Poles, we would have nothing to worry about. Speak for yourself. If you were a builder having to compete by taking lower wages or having less work as a result of Polish carpenters, plumbers etc flooding the country I'm sure you would have a different view.
I though the TORY'S were running the country !
All that needs to be asked is why doesn't the British govt feel it's necessary to look after the British people first and foremost. The Swiss look after the Swiss first, and as a foreigner living in Switzerland I applaud that mentality. It's up to me to integrate with them, and making sure I have a decent job and a home, is part of that integration. It's not racist to put your own people first, it's called common sense and right.
Labour have an excuse, they are idiot socialists, but what is Dave's excuse? Continuing to let millions of immigrants in where many claim benefits is socialism of the first order. When is Cameron going to realize he's a Tory?
The problem is that in the history of the world a declining empire has never recovered. Picture a scenario for fixing our woes and then see how easy it is to dismantle when you realise the material you are working with. Most of the best of our people died in the two world wars and right now the only thing worth planning is an exit strategy. If you have any sense you will at least try and get your kids out. I know I am.
I work in Mayfair, and I have seen quite an influx lately of Romanians. Lots of really quite aggressive begging, accordion playing and harassment. All you hear is 'pleaseeeeeee' and a hand in your face. It's only going to get worse.
So Mr Rashid was bright enough to use a computer and Facebook, but not bright enough to know that sex with a 13-year-old girl is illegal. In any event, it's always been the rule that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Except for Muslims, it seems.
Politicians through their refusal to act and there keenness to stay in the EU and let 500,00 immigrants a year from outside of the EU in to our country whose are mainly low skilled 3rd world immigrants and leading us by the hand to economic and social ruin, towns and city are no longer British, this will spread across the country in time and by voting Lib/Lab/Con you would have contributed to it, thats why we have to vote UKIP.
I despair.
I would like to ask Mr Cameron face to face just what his fascination with the EU is down to. How can being overrun by the detritus of Eastern Europe. Better the UK ? How does he square being PM of a county council ( which is what Westminster is becoming), With being Prime Minister of what once was Great Britain, the UNITED KINGDOM, Is he afraid that history would judge him harshly IF he were brave enough to remove us from this NIGHTMARE. Rest assured MR C , you would have a landslide victory if you made the next election a joint referendum on IN / Out of BOTH THE EU and the HATED ECHR.
Good article Richard.
Doing it tuff, Brisbane, Australia I would start having a look around your own country (that is unless you're an ex-pat Brit whereby I can understand your comments) because Australia has a huge problem with illegal immigrants entering the country. You have a labour government whose ideology is similar to the UK labour party. Immigration into Australia is changing and challenging the mainly European cultural make up of Australia. As for Britain, politicians sold us out and cannot stand straight enough or speak competently enough to simply kick these people out. My fear is this could cause an almighty backlash and we as a nation are under threat from a politicians desire to create a Britain in their image, which does not befit the British people.
Theres only one option left for the British people .And thats . Mass migration to all those rather empty countries like Poland, Romania.. snapped up houses at Bargain prices .. cheap food .. low taxes and lungful of fresh air and Leave over crowded UK to the immigrants
Thanks once again to labours open door policy total lack of border control and lack of courage by this government aided and abbeted by limp wristed Clegg´s liberals.That is why we have this shambles.these people should be rounded up like they do in Italy and kicked out with a ban on re entering .Please UKIP get elected and change all of this.get us out of the EU dictatorship.Hendon council should bulldoze the site and secure it and rid the local residents of these scumbags .who are either milking the benefits system or thieving in orde to eat
Close the borders. NOW! Do I have to think of everything?
And the gullible judge who let the 18 year old Adil Rashid off on a charge of rape --- " because he was unaware that it was illegal to have sex with an underage girl"---- Should be investigated, since when was IGNORANCE OF THE LAW, an excuse.
I despair of this country and its politicians, wet,wet,wet. Vote UKIP next time around.
In Romania one of the proposals for the new constitution is to declare gypsies non-Romanian. Come January there will be an exodus to the UK and Germany from Romania like a plague of locusts. As for the shanty town in Hendon its a joke, in Romania the local police just knock them down and move them on. Sean- Your Man in Bucharest
The Government have blown a lot of "Hot Air" but they have actually done "Tiddly Squat" about the invasion coming!
If you are an EU citizen you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid any income Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to while living in a Council house that a UK citizen could occupy and claiming Child Benefit and Income Support, even in the case, as has been revealed, of many Poles claiming Child Benefit for children that live in POLAND and have never been to UK. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you want to bring to the UK you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her and don't even dare to think of trying to claim child benefit for your 'foreign' children. The UK Govt of course still reserves the right to TAX you even if you are not in the UK and cannot claim any benefits or use any services. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here. Oh and they FREEZE our pensions at rate of first issue too even though we paid a lifetime of UK Tax and NI contributions exactly the same as pensioners in UK.
wunt matter ifn you build brand new gaffs fer all v these lot. In two months it will look like a shanytown anyway. They prefers filth and squalor. Seen it meself jes outside of Prague. Hopeless business.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it.
Better get used to it, because you are going to see a lot more. Up to 2015 anyway.
Better start sleeping in your clothes RJ. Ready for the early morning knock. Saying things like "not our problem" must be illegal nowadays, and talking common sense completely banned.
I always thought ignorance of the law was no defence.
Mete strategic justice.
"In the States we have the same problem with Mexican economic refugees." Oh no, you don't have the same problem at all! You don't have unelected foreign bureaucrats writing your immigration laws. You don't have an 'open-door' policy on immigration from twenty-odd foreign countries. You are fortunate enough NOT to be a member of the EU! Here, all our mainstream political parties support EU membership, so we have no-one to turn to to get us out of the EU.
Should make the deluded liblabcons have them in their gardens, sure cameron, ed and clegg have a few spare rooms and gardens they can sleep in. Blair has about 7 houses, why are they letting their guests sleep in caves and inviting millions more?
United Kingdom we no longer are, more like the PITS.
I really don't understand how these people are ever going to be entitled to housing. If you or I left our home of our own free will the council would say we'd made ourselves intentionally homeless and as such wouldn't be entitled to help. Same rules should apply here and for good measure if you have no way of supporting yourself (legally) you shouldn't ever be entitled to more than a one way ticket home.
We are fighting a losing battle. These people are like an invading army, except without the tanks. I would like to see, in my lifetime, B:Liar, Broon, and CaMoron all brought to justice, one way or another, for the premeditated damage they have DELIBERATELY caused the UK to suffer. We have those reptiles to blame, not the foreigners.
Stop access to all benefits and services, toughen prison sentences etc and the problem is virtually solved. Deport all who are not contributing or integrating.
This country is finished. Years of complete incompetence by successive governments. If you have ever voted for any of the main 3 parties then you must share in the blame. UKIP is our ONLY hope at present.
Britain is being swamped by economic migrants looking for an easy ride. They have been given the green light to crawl here from the third world rubbish tips they are so desperate to escape from, just to sap this country dry. Most probably have no 'work ethic', regardless of the relentless brainwash we are fed to the contrary. I believe alot of Brits, especially the English, are becoming very worried, and a few, justifiably angry, at what lies ahead.
The Europhiles in Brussels who thought it a good idea to allow Romania to join the EU should be forced to have homeless Romanian immigrants living in their back gardens.
YOU CAN EXPECT THIS SOMEWHERE NEAR YOU !! IF YOU KEEP ON VOTING LABOUR OR CONSERVATIVE THE ONLY WAY IS UKIP UKIP!!!!!!! SORRY NOT EXPECT GET
As long as we remain in the EU they are free to come, under The Freedom of Movement of People Treaty, whether we like it or not. EU Directives dictate that they are all fully entitled to the same benefits as a UK citizen. This includes housing, unemployment and disability benefits, NHS, education and they will even be able to send child benefit back to any remaining children in Romania or Bulgaria - all legally. Get out of the EU and we get out of the problem.
It was reported earlier in the week that in one poll UKIPs vote had dropped. If the cave dwellers and shanty town in Hendon is a taste of things to come..... expect the UKIP vote to go through the roof!!!
And my daughter with three children and a job can't get a council accommodation.. Born and bred in Britain.... Speechless... 9 years on waiting list yet foreigners are being housed within a week of landing here???
The liberals and lefties tell you immigration is good for you. They site examples of rich immigrants,intelligent immigrants and immigrants who have fled several continents, by passing many safe countries,to come to the UK and enrich us and tell us what a safe and happy country we have. They NEVER tell you about the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that come purely for handouts,health and education. That bring crime,disease, or when working do take our jobs. They never discuss the city centres filled with people wearing foreign or religious dress,who don't work,won't work and just take take take. Never trust a liberal-they don't tell the full truth.
We all know the leftie bigots are responsible but then again - you can't argue with pig ignorance!
Pro- European politicians are self serving traitors who have sold the future or our children for profit. In another time they would all be put on trial. VOTE UKIP - RECLAIM BRITAIN
"Not discussing this issue of immigration is typical of the left wing. Go to any left wing forum and try and discuss immigration with them and you will be questioned about your spelling, your grammar, you will be accused of being racist, being a bigot (a favourite of theirs) and the discussion will always be closed down.

The simple situation is the left want to make Britain as poor as the poorest parts of the world. They don't want to improve these poorest parts, they just want to lower us to that level. The left-wing are highly dangerous, and well organised. Vote for them if you want to become poor without solving the real problems in the world."
"If you are a Pole or a Roumanian Gypsy you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here. - Peter Barry , Denpasar, 14/6/2013 04:02

Not only exactly what you say but also if you are a UK citizen who has paid in all your life you will see your pension cut to pay for them, you will receive less healthcare to pay for them, you will get less benefits to pay for them, you will have to work longer to pay for them - basically YOUR quality of life will be slashed just to pay for them. This country is completely screwed unless a seriously radical change of Government is made in 2015. If you get Labour or the Tories back in power in 2015, the country WILL descend into total destruction."
Poles in the main have a good work ethic, but they wouldn't be here if the top up benefits(working tax, child tax credit, child allowance, council tax, rent rebate) weren't so high, so more and more eastern Europeans will come as their choices are live on generous benefits or get a low paid job and receive generous benefits on top of their wage, it's a win, win situation to them. If the rules are still the same as a few years ago they only need to be in the UK for 6 months to get a council house and they don't wait long before they get one, unlike people who have been here all their lives who wait years and end up renting privately. The government did an investigation into these claims and said they were unfounded, but I see this everyday working in the public sector and living in the real UK. I'll be voting UKIP until things change.
I have to agree with both your comments, Richard........It is totally heartbreaking that our own Government can ignore us completely on the horrors of E.U. free roaming migration.......We've been saying for years we are being drowned by the sheer weight of people arriving in Britain.The answer is NOT to build more houses but to STOP immigration..and LEAVE the E.U....How else are we going to sort ourselves out??? Why are these people allowed to live rough and turn our cities into the filthy ghettoes they've left behind?? Our useless ''people at the top'' don't seem worried about anything but their future jobs in Europe, leaving us to fend for ourselves the best we can!!!.........
Things only happen if you let them.
Quite right. What CHOICE did We ever get about this? It isn't selfish to be resistant to this. What is selfish is to pitch up expecting to help yourself to whats around not having done a thing to contribute to creating it in the first place. If their own country is an unpleasant place might that be BECAUSE of attitudes and behaviour like this? If so why should we tolerate and fund it here?
This will not change until they are camping outside number 10 - then and only then will the penny drop . For those that don't like it , there is only one solution - vote UKIP - if you don't , then you have basically said - this is ok by me !!!
On the other hand, photos like this will certainly put tourists off coming.
Here we have two examples of the establishment deliberately undermining the British identity. Politicians, judges and senior civil servants cannot be that stupid. It is a creeping barrage of destruction. On top of that we read Miliband has ordered his MPs to abstain from the EU referendum bill. One of his frontbenchers, "there is no money left Byrne" has openly stated there will be no referendum under Labour. We all know about the treacherous Lib Dems. Slippery Dave thinks he has placated the Electorate by his cynical and clumsy referendum ploy, while we all know he is a rabid Europhile. The only ones prepared to put a stop to this crippling lunacy are UKIP. Let us hope it is not too late come next election......
The self regarding attention seeking Muppet in the Commons is exactly the type of " money for nothing and the jobs are free " bureaucrat currently employed? to defend our immigration policy.
For the left wing it does not matter how many East Europeans come to Britain, unemployment could rise, crime levels could soar, the country could be drained financially. What the hard left are hoping for is to topple the Government so a full blown socialist Government can take power. The hard left care nothing for this country.
Is this the "often praised" ethinic diversity that the open door policy on immigration brings to OUR country.
This is our country. What do out children have to look forward too. All these dole grabbing foreigners are bleeding this country dry. And it is an embarrassment to say I'm British. We should do what Australia do. If u have no means of an income then u can't come in. Simple!!!
Opening border controls? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this mean that I ( from the US) can move to UK? I thought it was really REALLY hard to get permission to move and live there.
Our only option is to close the borders. Let the EU try and fine us after that.
VOTE UKIP
Well done to the Man also.
We can all anticipate with dread the disaster about to befall the nation brought about by successive traitorous politicians of the Bercow ilk bent upon destroying England it's traditions, history and culture - these people make the Cambridge five seem like innocent misunderstood patriots. I can foresee a great deal of social unrest on the streets as people become fully aware what is happening to their country.
The only thing that would deter them is a total ban on claiming any benefits at all or accessing services such as the NHS without paying upfront. But even then that's not guaranteed to be a deterrent
We should jail every MP and wjves ( who have enjoyed all the money and priveleges the job brings ) for 30 years, no exceptions. The crime? Treason. Then close the political parties down, being pointless, and seek righteous men and women of a patriotic persuasion to guide us. And close down the bulk of the civil service etc who are opposed to all things British. And do useless jobs in the bulk of case. Simple. Lets do it. Britain First and God bless us as a nation
Labour and their "open-door" policy on immigration have a lot to answer for.. They are supposed to represent the working man, but mass immigration only affects one class of person - The Working Man... In other words, Labour have done a big poo on their own kind.. And there are idiots out there who will still be voting for Balls, Cooper and Milliband at the next election.
Mr Littlejohn, the country is a mess and going down hill at an accelerating rate. Trouble is our political elite don't give a jot and won't do any thing about it. They only way is to kick them out and vote UKIP.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society
UKIP for me, call me Dave is a downright disgrace and the sooner he goes the better.
If you are a Pole or a Roumanian Gypsy you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here.
The UK as we used to know it is lost thanks to incompetent governments that have been hell bent on wrecking the country just to get a voting base to stay in power for as long as they can. It is way to late to shut the gate. What was once a beacon of democracy and law has gone down the toilet thanks to money grubbing politicians that when it finally hits the fan with rioting in the streets will simply pack there bags and move to another country and wash there hands of the mess they created.
"Conditions must be pretty dreadful at home if a cave in Stockport is a step up the housing ladder" ...Absolutely priceless, ive spat coffee all over my keyboard.
Just show some balls and don't let them here. It is not rocket science.
And they tell us the EU & immigration is a good thing for the UK!!!
In the States we have the same problem with Mexican economic refugees. Romania was part of the East Bloc so long that this slum looks better than what they fled. Plus which I don't think their government subsidizes idleness like Obama does over here and your government does over there. On top of that, our immigrants(lawful and otherwise) tend to vote Democrat, as I'm sure this lot illegally votes Labour.
I am sick and tired of hearing about everything being racist this and racist that.
So what are they doing about his fish thefts?
A bit of communication could do magic, if someone wants to take a fish with them than try to encourage them to go fishing in the sea. Instead of harassing try to educate that in UK not taking the fish is a habit and general rule.
Look, its the pro-doscrimination crowd. Fighting for their right to judge people based on their nationailty! Its funny really.
My ten-year-old was astonished and shocked to see it.¿ -- Yeah, that's believable, a 10 year old boy shocked and astonished, absolute rubbish!
"my 10 year old was shocked to see it"..get a grip...i think you lie....
Surely it's against their Human Rights NOT to have it translated in to umpteen languages at, as usual, massive expense to us?
Reminds me of the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs you used to see in pubs years ago. Disgusting attitude. I thought we were passed this
The guy is Racist. Should get the good lesson.
I'm not at all surprised by this. It seems that today the police's main concern is to stay within ridiculous PC guidelines rather than catch the criminals who are stealing this mans property. What a joke.
This word racist is so ridiculously overused - and wrongly used for that matter. Most Eastern Europeans are exactly the same race as the so-called 'White British.' is not that they are a different race that is a problem but the fact that they have an entirely different culture.
FGS stop using the word racist if anything its discrimination.
It's his land, he should be able to do whatever he wants with it.
These labels are flung around so casually by the left and they are never held to explain or justify them. In the current almost hysterical climate of being "offense averse" the mere labelling of someone as racist or fascist or homophobic or islamophobic is often enough to stifle all further discussion. But those using these labels should be called upon to explain and justify them. In this case the man in question has been labelled by some correspondents as racist, some even calling for him to be prosecuted. The sign specified "East Europeans" so is "East European" accepted as a racial or ethnic grouping? If so into what category does it fall? Is it some previously unidentified subset of the Slavic races? But not all east Europeans are Slavic etc etc. The absurd example is to call anti Islamic comments as racist, as one of the boasts of Islam is that it has followers of all races. Hold those who use such labels to account and demand they explain their (mis)use of them.
It's a wonder the Police didn't trip over their size twelves and claim compensation.
Blame the inertia of the police.
Plenty of fishermen catch and remove the carp from fishing lakes here in France. And most of those are French and NOT from Eastern Europe. There are rules about the size of fish which can be taken, but many just ignore those. We also caught some French men wading in the river on OUR property. They were catching fish with their hands by shooing them into the banks prior to stealing them. So people of all nationalities can be capable of the same crime. That is why this gentleman's sign cannot be correct, as it generalises about ALL members of a particular nationality or ethnic group.
How can this be a racist hate crime? It's not racist, it's technically xenophobia which isn't racist. Obviously plod hasn't anything better to do. I'd have to told plod where to go
Last time I looked east Europeans were indeed Europeans, like me. So how can it be a race crime when we are the same race? Nationality does not equate to a different race. I'm sick of this utter frivolous nonsense by the police. Did one of them try to sue him too? Go and catch the fish thieves.
"call the police"? .....hahahahahaha... Bad idea cartier! He'll be arrested and taken away for his non PC opinion and then all the fish will be stolen in his absence. For those who feel this man is wrong about who is sealing his fish I would like to point out that as a rule the British have never been Carp eaters even though carp have been available here for years. Carp, however are most definitely on the menu in Eastern Europe. Carp and chips.... no thanks. Glen .... Southampton.
At the end of the day it is his fishing lake, he owns it, he bought it, he runs it. If he knows or sees or hears that Americans (for example) are stealing his fish he is entitled to ban Americans from fishing at his lake.
Since when have eastern Europeans been another race? Same as when the police say having a go at Islam is racist, no it's not. Islam is a religion not a race of people.
This is a typical example of discrimination against nationality. Website says ''Fishing at Dog Lane is available to anyone with a valid EA Licence and who purchases a Day Ticket''. I he want to ban fishing he would have to do it for everyone not just for his chosen group of people. Just wonder what is going to happen when ,great-grandfather Eddie Whitehead , will need an emergency ambulance and it will arrive with Eastern European doctor on board!
is there any real news in this paper today? or any day for that matter.
Ha Ha, Call the Police, it will take them forever to respond, if they respond at all, to busy filling in bail forms for Burglers, and robbers.
Well as I see it if he owns the property then he is entitled to say who may and who may not enter
Maybe he should put a sign up to the effect "No Entry to people who haven't lived in the area for three years or more" and turn a blind eye to the British who haven't. That should keep the great British Police force off his back.
A sign saying "No Carp Stealing" would have been more appropriate. Then again, that would probably be fish-ist.
Funny, on one hand, but then again, how does he know who is from Eastern Europe and who isn't? Many people over here look pretty much the same as the English do, you know? If I sat down on the bench, would he just come to me and ask me to ID myself? :D
All anglers have known this for a number of years . Thing is if you say anything your classed as a racist Wake up Britain before its too late I know who I shall be voting for . UKIP SPEAKS MY LANGUAGE And I am nor a racist
eddie whitehead your not breaking the law for stopping them from fishing if its your private property.your in the same situation when a landowner stopped them fishing on his lake in oxfordshire and cleaned out all the fish in it 'you are in your right to put the sign up..and have who you want to fish in it, .
No dogs, No Irish, No blacks... and now No Eastern Europeans. I suppose Mr Eddie never leaves UK as he is gravely scared of any non British people. P.S. If he is rich enough to own a fishing lake he should invest in fence.
Why not write a country? Eastern Europe is big with many countries. Not every Eastern European countries people are bad and steal. Some do have laws about fishing. I know that in Slovenia it is not allowed to fish in lakes and rivers without a licence. You're not even allowed to throw a bait, catch a fish and release it. It's stupid to post a sign like that. It's as if in Greece they would put a sign in a street "No western Europeans" because British teens drink en mass and cause havoc.
"He Claims" so, trial by media and guilty!
Send the European anglers to Australia for fishing trips. Carp here are in plague proportions that's big fish, fish not sprats. Imagine all the carp you can eat all in the freezer on the return trip. Its illegal to return carp caught back to the water. i remember Menindee lakes, carcases along the bank!!!!
Fair play to the bloke fish stealing is rife since we had mass immigration forced upon us! why shouldn't he ban them? Anyone who goes fishing knows how bad its getting. The swans are going missing as well! The loony lefties need to wake up!
All you PC lovies can whine as much as you like it being racist and how it's not the fault of eastern Europeans, but as I am married to a Pole I will tell you something. It most certainly IS eastern Europeans stealing his fish. No one in Britain has eaten carp or pike since the dark ages. In fact, it is very difficult to buy here because of this. But my other half loves it, especially carp at festive times like Christmas. Big carp in a fishery are expensive. Some are worth thousands of pounds!! And that's not counting the revenue that people knowing you have big fish to catch will bring - £20 a day to sit by a high quality lake and fish down here in the south. The police will inevitably do nothing at all to help this guy. They would stand by and defend the 'Uman Rites of the criminals rather than prosecute them as thieves. So what choice does he have? Putting up a sign saying "pretty please don't eat my fish" in as many languages as you like will do nothing.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto............- thommo , solihull, 10/4/2013 please tell me you are planning to emigrate very soon, over the top PC people like you have ruined this country. I am an angler and some Eastern Europeans are a problem as coarse fish are part of their diet and they see it as a free meal.
Considering the plethora of laws you Brits have....I'm surprised you don't have one about promoting hatred!
a passer by was shocked when he saw the sign all i can say is go get a life
More power to your elbow mate.
In my country he would get a FAT fine and would be excluded from community.
I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please! - kate, austria, 10/4/2013 17:27 Thanks God continental europe has more intelligent people. I think only frustrated people could give you red arrows .
I am British and I hate Britain, does that make me a racist?
I got red arrowed for my comment, but was not surprised. Strange that just a few people have said this man, instead of putting up signs, should install CCTV, ask police to patrol the area more frequently, or put up a fence and instead of searching vehicles that leave (can he do that legally?), he should charge a fee for entry on his private property and fishing there, if it's his livelihood and investment at stake. Far fewer people would go there, and hardly any to steal fish, irrespective of which country they come from.
come and live in boston,i dont think we have any fish or ducks left
The only people I ever see fishing the River Trent during the close season are all eastern europeans. They do take pike for the pot. They also plead ignorance of our fisheries byelaws. I'm not surprised he's put the sign up, makes things simple ad straightforward.
good for him, i would do the same thing too,
" you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing"----------Funny how often people who stick ignorant and racist together in a sentence are themselves ignorant about what racism (or race) is. If he'd put up a sign saying "no people with shaved heads", would that be ignorant and racist too?
"Reminds me of the no Jews signs I read about before the Germans start throwing them in Ovens... - Andy , Kingston, 10/4/2013 15:49

Reminds me of signs that say ""no tresspassing"" or ""only 4 children in the shop"" or ""no poaching"" ""no admittance to people with dirty boots"". It is nothing to do with the holocaust and it is offensive to hijack that awful offence for something completely different."
I totally support the chap, my local river as been plundered by Eastern Europeans, and yes i have proof, i've seen them with my own eyes. Carp apparently is a favoured dish in Eastern Europe so naturally they are going to raid our rivers and lakes, thats the problem with multiculturism, they bring their own culture over with them and as you should know, you complain and you're branded a 'waycist'.
Nice one......
If people want to live in the UK then they should abide by UK laws and not their own!
It's private property and as such he can refuse entry to whoever he likes.
What people need to understand is that fish caught from fisheries of this nature are always returned alive. People pay for the right to catch fish maybe take a photo of their catch, thats it. People from eastern europe find this mind-set incomprehensible, you go fishing and eat what you catch. The same problem has been experianced in our inner city park lakes but doesnt stop at fish as the diminishing swan population will testify. So I feel Eddie Whitehead is perfectly within his rights to ban whomever he likes from his water and simply trying to protect his busnes and people crying out about racism need to have a long hard honest look at the situation.
This man is pefectly right!!!!
Since he owns the property, close the lake to everone. Problem solved.
Nice to see all the leftist out in force - ooohhh it's racist... What utter twaddle? We used to have swans near where i live, that is until certain people killed them and ate them..
East Europeans are white caucasians same as the pond owner and therefore cannot be racist ? His sign should have read " no white people" and therefore everyone would be happy and say nothing ?
Perhaps ' no stealing fish' would be better. After all no one has been caught
I felt badly reading this. I am Polish sometimes visiting your country, never fishing neither here nor there. Will I be checked and brought to police if I go for a walk there by accident? I assure you, that fishing without permission is strictly forbidden in Poland. Simply if you fish you have to have a valid document of fisher's union and never ever do it outside places where it's allowed. Of course we have poachers. But they are prosecuted like in any other country. Let me know why oh why don't you find this note racist? Because I am the same race as you are? Which race of Britons do you mean? If it's not racist, probably it's pure linguistics, but still not fair. Civilised owner would write "no fishing", " thieves will be prosecuted" or something like this. That's a shame.
Stop 'carping' on and install security cameras round the lake?
I do have a certain sympathy with him. A local charity has a fishing lake for disadvantaged children and they have restocked it twice. They did catch two thieves and yes they were Polish, they'd come off the farms nearby. Think the wages are so low they have to find alternative ways of eating.
Good for him.
Good luck mate I banned Eastern Europeans off my lake a few years back,the ban is still on they didn't have the bottle to take me to court. Stick with it. Tony @ Trentside fishery Grimsby
His lake, his rules . It is happening all over the country. Swans are also being shot and eaten . Do you think that British people are doing that ? Maybe CCTV would help ?
Serves him right, making money off living creatures. He's not worried about the fish's welfare/livlihood when he sells them, is he?
What a nice bloke
Even the DM notes that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's Eastern Europeans. The fish are probably dying after looking at that miserable owner's face.
This has been going on for years. My Polish next door neighbour has two pike heads nailed to the door of his shed. Bizarrely it's still legal to take fish from rivers (never met a fisherman who agrees with it) if of a certain size/number but taking anything other than those allowed is an offence. Fish can only be taken from still waters with written permission of the owner or club. He should check rod licences and report any who do not have one to the EA hotline immediately. More chance of them getting a £2.5k fine for no licence than taking his fish sadly. Just another culture clash.
Well, yes, in Eastern European cultures there are such practices, it's cultural matter, someone that goes fishing can take home some fish for the table but within a decent limit and only if he/she has a fishing permit. Plus you cannot fish any time you like to - this is somehow restricted by law, when it is time for fish to lay eggs fishing is forbidden, and people that do so in such periods are fined. So don't imagine that things happen just like that, nature is protected, and so are fish species. And true fishermen always respect that. Nevertheless such unhappy events take place, you could ask police to interfere and solve the problem no matter nationality and problem is solved faster than showing off announces that could only instigate and develop felings of hate between people no matter their nationality. There more decent ways to solve such problems but this means to take some social responsibility as well.
Look, they were caught red handed at my local fishery and suddenly they all stopped going because the owner decided to watch them all. No chance of fish? No chance of them bothering to fish was the result
The East European Race that's a new one.
The usual suspect blamed by fishing lake owners for disappearing fish is an otter followed by calls to kill all local otters. Perhaps he should get some security cameras to determine the fish taker. Claim for losses caused by "unseen" thieves can be made on insurance but unless he has a good policy otter loses are not covered.
We need to ensure that we are not violating their human rights in any way.
It is not racist. It is culturalist. It is recognition that cultural differences and attitudes can affect how well people blend with each other.
Forget the rest of the story. This is racist and its clearly illegal. I trust the DM have reported this to the police and handed in the evidence?
'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please!
How can the sign be racist? It doesn't mention any race. If anything, it's East European-ist. As for calling the police - they'd only be interested if the fish were exceeding the speed limit or parked on yellow lines.
As an Eastern European I hate to read/hear such stories. How desperate do you have to be to steal someones fish from a pond to eat it?! I mean people keep fish they catch in Poland if they pay some licence or something. But that's in Poland and here is Britain but some clearly don't care.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto..............
"Nothing racist" reminds me of Apartheid-signs "White people only" or Nazi discrimination "Not for Jews" with similar explanations. Nip things in the bud!
Goo on yer mate.
I am Eastern European, working in the UK for 9 years, currently completing my PhD and looking forward to become an academic. I am not a scam, I don't claim benefits, don't smuggle cigarettes, don't steal fish etc! Can you please stop harassing me! It is absolutely ridiculous to pick on Eastern Europeans all the time without any reason. British people commit crimes, drink excessively, steal things (like my coat last week in the nightclub) so they are ALSO not perfect. What I recently observe in the media is an unprecedented attack on people who practically share the same values as British and I simply cannot understand all the hate towards us. There are so many minorities in the UK and only Eastern Europeans are targeted by the campaign full of prejudice and very full of lies.
he doesn't know the ethnicity of the fish thieves, it could be anyone struggling with trying to pay their bedroom tax and increase in council tax payments.
In Ireland , their at it whole time, the amount of Pike { a protected species} taken is giving cause for concern ,,THe Dept of Fisheries is fighting a silent battle with them , I wonder what would happen if irish people went to Eastern Europe and broke the law , ???????????
hahaha hilarious
Illegal. Simple as that.
Prove who it is before making these ridiculous signs!
..its about time someone told it as it is.. add to his missing fish, half the swans in london parks have vanished..& where we live cats are disappearing at an alarming rate!..lets face facts. its not racist or "not pc" but if you take a few thousand people used to a certain way of life where struggle, hardship & hungers an everyday thing then let them enter a country like the uk, these things are bound to happen & a lot worse..a lot lot worse I fear when our bulgarian cousins come over in droves...
Problem is if he does report it to the Police they will be too scared of being branded racists themselves or even too inept to do anything about it. This guy can't win as the law favours the criminal and not the OWNER
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP! - CaptainGinger, Islington, 10/4/2013 12:17 ================================================================================================== Your ukip world doesn't sound very enticing
How can it be racist when East Europeans are the same caucasian race as the English? Unless of course Mr Whitehead is of African or East Asian descent and the man in the photo is just a stand-in?
They are taking fish all over the Fens as well.
Remind me how fishing works. This is a fishery right. Are you actually supposed to put the fish back? So they get caught repeatedly? That seems wrong to me, I assumed people went fishing to catch fish, take them home and eat them
Yet again a British citizen in his own back yard says it how it is and the left wing brigade come out in force. Its thanks to these left wing do gooders that this country is in the state it is.
Put up a sign "Private Property" trespassers will be shot!
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective. - Nini, London, United Kingdom, 10/4/2013 11:44..................Yeah right. That would work. These people are unlikely to get caught and if they are nothing happens to them. His best bet is to lawfully treat his fish with fungicide to kill white spot and put a sign up warning that the fish are inedible.
"One walker passing by said: 'It's bizarre, backward and racist. It's the sort of thing you're shocked to see in this day and age." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes shocking - if you've been indoctrinated by the liberal-left elite and the BBC. Can one get a degree in "Being Shocked" these days? His land, his lake his fish...
This is akin to placing a sign saying, "No Dogs or Indians allowed" during the Raj or "No Black, No Dogs, No Irish" sign during the 70s from a potential landlord in UK. But then what more can we expect from the descendant of colonialist !!! No wonder, Britain's today's generation's suffering due to the ill-deeds of their ancestors, across the globe.
If people want to live in our country they should live by our rules or leave. Simple.
Good for him
Bravo! The sign is absolutely spot-on, I am a bailiff on a local water and every time we catch people stealing specimen fish from our waters they are ALL from Eastern Europe.
Its a big problem. Someone netted my lake and stole the carp too...I haven't bothered to replace them.
How about notice on a pub entrance door in Krakow - 'No Stag Parties'. Guess why did they put it there?
he put up a sign, big deal. I get the looks clearly saying I'm not welcome even though I don't steal anyone's fish ;)
its not RACIST its the TRUTH. we have the same problem near us. the eastern europeans dont put the fish back. they take them home to eat. the same goes for the wildfoul that live on the lake ;they seem to like graylag geese and swans.
To be fair we all know who takes the carp and who eats all the swans etc, but we are not allowed to tell the truth anymore. We need politicans with the balls (no I don't mean that idiot Ed) to do something about this country although I fear it may already be too late.
I,m forced to eat Carp at xmas in Poland,, its foul
Good man!
His campsite must be like Fawlty Towers with tents.
The sign is as distasteful as the fish.
"They've obviously had problems with people taking fish, judging by the other signs they've put up. But you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing." Some people really are terminally confused in their own heads. He accepts they've been taking fish and accepts it's wrong then criticises the sign singling them out because they've been deliberately doing wrong by taking the fish. I really wonder how these "right-on" individuals can operate without their brains exploding because of their inconsistent thought processes.
I'd sue him!
No different to the petrol stations in Bradford with "Asian Taxi Drivers Only" signs.
A sign won't stop the fish from being stolen.
No doubt he'll get life imprisonment yet if some loony lefty or vengeful immigrant attacked him they'd get community service.
Good for him !! These people killed a beautiful swan on my local river and left the mate devastated, her pain was so clear to see, she just floated on the water with her head diwn and there was NOTHING I could do. It killed me ......
Protesting about Eastern European's eating freshly stocked fish is racist? Burn the witch, stone him, duck him... ooops that was for heresy wasn't it? Ahem... Socially exclude the racist, sack him, fine him, jail him!
I personally prefer to blame the Swiss.
Why are all of the logical comments being thumbed down? This is the wrong way to handle the situation, and quite frankly it's reminiscent of the segregation days "No blacks, No dogs, No Irish" Hmm Just when you think progress has been made in society.
if it ain,t nailed down that will get nicked as well
Its not rasist, he's just defending his livelihood. Its a fact that certain easten europeans are stealing thousands of pounds of carp and pike from fisherys all around the UK. They have even been caught draining sections of the grand union canals all around hertfordshire, damaging boats in the process so 15 - 20 indeviduals can net all the carp and pike in the section without the hastle of fishing for them. somthing has to be done before stocks are decimated all over the country.
Good for him!
I know of a fishery very close to this one, the game keeper has to search their bags and often finds fish in them. They are then made to pay. Feel sorry for the bloke, trying to make an honest living.
This man is just trying to protect his livelihood. A widepread problem, as with the two swans shot by, probably, police believe, an E European man on the River Avon in Dorset recently.
Of the revenue from our annual fishing licence, we now have a great deal of it spent on policing waters from eastern Europeans plundering our fish stocks. The wildfowl suffer too. I have lost count of the times I've fished places where passers by tell us of eastern Europeans who've cleaned the place out - often with nets. This problem is rife, everybody knows it and serious action needs to be taken. I have heard of people taking the law into their own hands - this man has been driven to this and deserves support, not criticism.
Your comments:Doesn't he look a nice chappy....not!
That man is only rascist when politicians and police toke action when they fish all places empty. BUT.. this man and ALL EU citicens are on their own in the battle against the lots of eastern europians because they play the game by differant rules. (not all) This man is RIGHT. In the Netherlands where i live there isnt a SINGLE fish in lakes or rivers because those eastern europians have differant morals and dont leave any fish for others or think about nature. So the goverment in all EU are overruled by action like this man that takes action because his goverment has let him down Where else would this man turn to if he didnt take action himself???? (obviously police let him down!). In the past there were rules and morals that were respected by natives,but others dont care about those rules,if you dont know what i mean you have not been in WEST EU the last 15 years.
What next no Irish or no Jews? This man has an evil heart it reminds me of the old days when people used to use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart.
Why are the british so racist?
I've fished a river opposite an eastern European chap three years ago, I watched him over the five hours put everything he caught into a plastic bag and then walk away with all sorts of species of fish. Now that same river it would take you a week to fill the bag as there are no fish left. SO GOOD ON HIM!
his lake, his rules..
He has put this sign up cause its true, i seen it first hand when taking dogs for walk, me and others have seen eastern europeans taking fish from our local fishing lakes, i know they are cause you hear them talking to each other, normally gangs of at least 3-5, we report it but nothing ever gets done, if you speak to them they either claim to not speak english or not understand, also swans have been killed and taken.
Poor guy doesn't know what he's let himself in for, when the PC brigade get through with him he will be putting up a sign asking if the fish thieves would like him to supply chips free of charge with their stolen fish, said sign will have to be in twenty eight different languages of course !
To all of you simpletons out there. How can it be racist, eastern europeans are the same race as most of us, They are just a different nationality. Racism is about race and not nationality, do try and understand that simple fact. Another simple fact is that virtually all people who have been caught stealing carp and, here in Lincoln, killing our treasured swans have been eastern europeans. It is a huge problem.
Easy for the people who are criticising him but perhaps they would like to finance the ongoing restocking of fish instead? I'm sure once they were the ones who had to pay for it they wouldn't have such open minded ideas.
I feel sorry for that the bloke is having his stocks plundered - but wouldn't it make more sense to have invested the money on security (CCTV etc.) instead of putting up an ineffective and frankly ignorant sign? - I guess tarring several million people from a dozen different nations with the same brush makes him feel better
You will find too that swans, ducks and geese have been disappearng from our lakes, rivers and canals
"call the police"??.....hahahahahaha....good idea!
I remember in the 1980's the Irish blaming the German's for fishing all the pike from their lakes and rivers. In a number of cases it turned out to be local people as they could sell them on to the restaurants that were looking to add them to their menu's to make a few bob from German diners. Who should we blame in this case I wonder?
Something fishy going on here....................
Nothing racist about that sign, eastern Europeans are the same race as him.
There is a lot of truth in what this fishery owner is saying. Across the whole country people are reporting the same thing where fish levels are declining because Eastern Europeans, who seem to think it¿s normal behaviour, are actually taking their catches home to eat! Probably because they can¿t afford to buy fish due to their low incomes because they come over here and take all the jobs by undercutting British workers and then send home their money home which in their country is a huge amount. These people don¿t integrate and don¿t contribute. How can they when they send all their money home. But you¿re not allowed to say this as you are then branded a racist or a bigot by the looney left and all those doo gooders who live ion a bubble.
The thing is in England(and a few other countries) we corse fish for fun but the eastern europeans (and others) fish for food so they take every thing home and a lot of the time its to small too i have seen it my self, i know a lot of lakes in Poland have been fished out because of this,its a cultural thing we don't eat so much fresh water fish in the uk but in most of Europe they do,its a shame because it will ruin the fishing for everyone.
The owners obviously have forgotten that this is no longer the country of FREE SPEECH, and you are only allowed to say what our leaders allow you to say despite, WHAT YOU THINK.
There is a clash of cultures here. In the UK and across western Europe it is normal to catch fish as a hobby or indeed a sport and then put them back into the water for someone else to try and catch. Unfortunately though the same rules of engagement don¿t seem to apply to Eastern Europeans as in their culture it is normal to catch fish and take them home to eat. Once again we see here someone objecting to the ways of a foreign culture and in doing so being branded a racists by the loony left and all the doo gooders ¿ probably the same ones who celebrate when a famous old lady dies.
This can't be racism as being 'Eastern European' is not classed as a race. Discrimination, yes but his lake/land his rules. Good luck to him.
It was reported a few weeks ago that Eastern Europeans were stealing fish stocks. I don't blame him at all.
i live in southern spain and when the eastern europeans arrived here we noticed that they were indeed catching the carp and taking them away to eat, on one day i counted 18 men each with an average of 6 carp in there buckets, wen i asked if they had the correct fishing licence they laughed at me and informed me that the spanish police did not bother them as it was to much hassle to get interperators etc, yet they will prosecute Spanish and English anglers (who do not take the fish away), i asked if they live nearby and was told no, they had come down from Malaga way, i asked why they didnt fish up that way, there reply was "because there are no fish left", make of that what you will.................................
saying what a lot of others are thinking but too weak and feeble minded to voice..............
The eastern europeans were caught stealing swans in ireland
Big deal, he put up a sign. Most people just give me looks as if I'm not welcome every single day even though speak clear English as well as other 3 languages, been here nearly 10 years and respect everything to do with British Culture. Just the fast that I sometimes speak in my own language on the street when I'm on my phone with my family is enough for me to be a victim of racial comments.
There need to be many dedicated fisheries where the idea is to kill and eat the fish. sports anglers can have their waters, those with more of a hunter-gatherer take on life can have theirs. This is not solely the domain of eastern Europeans - any time I catch a decent grayling, trout, pike, zander or perch I knock it on the head and take it home, just as I'd do if I caught something in the sea. note: I'm not breaking any laws. I only do it in waters where kill & keep is permitted. freshwater fish are a relatively untapped resource of tasty, clean and high quality protein and you know exactly what it is, unlike the food you buy at the supermarket.
Swan and Carp is a Eastern European issue, trouble is PC Britain is to afraid to speak out now for fear of arrest, no freedom of speech any longer in the UK. Well done, this man has the backbone to speak out.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Not many ducks on the pond in the park Christmas Day,seemed a bit odd.
Hahahahahaah he presumes they`re Eastern Europeans but cannot prove it....right.......what this guy needs its a fine and never ever be allowed to put racist signs in public again. I mean he even looks like the classic old mumbling guy with nothing better to do. Did he counted the fish to see if they`re all missing????
What makes more sense, the age old tradition of catching fish to feed themselves or repeatedly torturing them by ripping their mouths apart then throwing them back ?
Funny how everyone gets up in arms about someone trying to save his livelihood, these same people say nothing about Behead those how insult Islam posters, funny world, hand wringers protecting everyone in the world except their own countrymen
And the ducks!
So I can still steal his fish?
Good luck to him.
Eddie Whitehead for President !!!
I'm Eastern European and unfortunately the poor man has a point and I understand his frustration.
It's his land, his lake, his fish, his bench and he can do what he likes with all of them!
How does he know the fish are missing when he hasn'r seen any go?
you aught to see the signs that go up in windows out side of the UK. i live in the gulf, where landlords state things like - asians only! no men allowed. the first thing that gets asked on your CV is your age. the UK is alone in thinking PC is a good thing. elsewehere, racism is rife, and as brits are keen not to upset, its seen as weekness, that is pushed and pushed because it can be.
Boris Johnson keeps saying all English people are lazy, whats the difference
The man has his own rights to put up what he wants on his property. Just like the TV, if you do not like what you see then move on to somewhere else.
Sorry mate, some thieves don't read so well!
Thanks Blair!
Never mind the fish, someone should prosecute this guy for racism.
I have seen Romanians keep the carp they caught, but we can't say that can we?
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP!
its not racist, at worst not actually PC but racist? The English, Scots, Welsh do not (normally) eat freshwater fish - however Eastern Europeans do fish for, cook and eat freshwater fish, that is a fact. If since Eastern Europeans started fishing his water and fish have gone missing its not much of a stretch to figure out where they are going and do something to protect his livelihood. This is not the first story of this nature, just possibly one where someone is actually doing something about it.
Oh for the good old days when the sign read tresspassers will be shot.the land belongs to mr whitehead.
I do not blame him they need to be aware its a business not a charity for free fish , Eastern Europeans should be given details when they arrive that our rules regarding wildlife in the UK is diffrent than in their countries, they are responsible for killing swans also the crime rate as increase since we let them in, we need the policy of comitt a crime and you will be sent back home
Doubt they'll be able to read that
Well done that Man....
The Environment Agency has acknowledged a problem with certain sections of Eastern Europeans stealing fish from lakes so why has this man been accused of racism for simply wanting to protect his livelihood. Unfortunately a minority have ruined it for the majority but to attack Mr Whitehead for the sign is unjust.
love it
That was a heron more likely
this guy is asking for trouble
At last one fighting back for his own.
Not racist at all, but could have switched it the other way: respect British laws.
Good for him
I would shake his hand.
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective.
If he suspects that it is people from eastern Europe, he could just put up a sign in several languages saying something along the lines of anyone caught stealing will be prosecuted and that he has cctv. Simple and not illegal.
'in't that racialist?
Carp is a delicacy in some Eastern European countries - but it's not got a great taste.
imagine what would happen if his notice said "No Jews" ?
Pure racism, no two ways about it
No he is not being racist. We all know who likes to eat carp and it`s not the British.
His lake... His property... END OF...
Eastern Europeans eat carp as a delicacy, as did the English in Medieval Times. The sign is DISTASTEFUL and ILL ADVISED, but I know in other sections of the media 'Polish lorry drivers' have been accused of stealing carp for their tea. I hope the fishery owner CATCHES THE REAL CULPRITS SOON. THEN PUNISHES THEM.
How many more computer bugs will be needed to rid ourselves of the EU. Mr. Cameron all you need to do to walk the next election is state that the British Electorate have a vote whether to stay in or out. He knows what the answers going to be and so do all the parasites. This nation is on the brink and irrespective of what the Labour pack of yes people say it is getting nearer the day when the populace have their say. Mr. Cameron be under no illusion we want positive action
Theres only one party that will put a stop to all this and you know it
Reply to Amy Bath, This would happen whatever party was in power they are all tarred with the same brush
<< Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats. - Avril King, Poole, 14/9/2009 10:34 >> Is there any difference??
<< I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Alan, Alnwick, 14/9/2009 10:02 >> He's still waiting for Mandelson to tell him.
the only party that will stop this is the BNP, but I bet you all continue to vote Lib Lab Con. Like the sheep you are.
Wouldn't let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from the east of Europe no problem. Enough reasons to bail out of the EU catastrophy and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Oh the benefits of unrestricted mass immigration!
I'm Slovakian and have been living in UK 6 years. I have got full time job, pay tax and don't claim any benefits here. i have benn studying english and work hard to become part of the community. I'm sorry to read that Slovakian ai England are part of mafia or sort of. All my slovakian friend in England work and don't do any crime.
By reading those comments, I am a bit confused whether we are reading the same article. Is this about an immigration or a scam? It could also have been committed by English/British people!!! Let's not forget about the crimes committed by British abroad (e.g. lawyer friends claiming an insurance of 'stolen things' in south america, british teenagers smuggling drugs etc The thing is when British commit s the crime 'the government is ready to go and 'rescue' them from their punishment....Not all nations have 'this privilige' ....
Would'nt let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from eastern Europe with the a--e hanging out of their trousers can enter no problem .Good reasons to bail out of this EU catastrophe and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Cassandra from Nottingham, you were doing so well until you appologised for being 'un-PC' that's where all the problems stemmed from! The PC band wagon has caused us to be scared of raising an eyebrow, let alone our voice in support of OUR opinions and standing up for OUR human rights, bugger anyone who doesn't or hasn't paid into OUR tax and health systems! Send them home to face what's coming to them!
Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. I'm confident that the four given bail will turn up at Court at the appointed time for their trial.
I'm at a bit of a loss to understand from Madge in France just what David Cameron has to do with this scam. Its has nothing to do with the government and as much as I'd like to say it, not even Gordon Brown is responsible for elements of this scam. This is purely a banking issue where the profits of banks comes ahead of adequate security measures. Chip n Pin technology enabled this sort of scam just as labours ID card idea would make people far more vulnerable to ID theft once the codes are cracked. Whilst the losses through scams to the banks remain below a certain percentage, banks accept it as the cost of doing business even if it causes major problems for their clients.
Whoops spoke to soon!
Every country has its criminal element and it matters not one jot where this bunch originated from!! Incidently, its largely because of the EU that we got a lot of our criminals back from Spain to 'do their time', rather than swan round the Costa Brava for the rest of their lives. I don't remember people then talking about how we must "get out of the EU"!!!
I dont see these guys as any more criminal than the banks. All these guys are doing is participating in the banking industry. Thievery, deceit etc. Whats the difference.
I wonder if those wanting all immigrants kicked out of Britain are the same people who think they should be allowed to park on private land without consequence.
This is why people are voting BNP - the only party interested in keeping Britain British.
More evidence that this country is stuffed to the gunwhales with slimy crooks, gangsters, and our own feral cretins. And as someone has already said.nothing will be done to deport this trash. They'll be allowed to stay, get a severe ticking off and left to run riot once more while claiming (fraudulent levels?) of benefits. Soon this country willbe without any thinking , sensible Brits and populated by the dross and deadbeats of the world.
To Mark of Barcelona, living here (look it up) I can assure you that a lot of Germans now say that they would gladly have the wall back up. I remember the first weeks when the wall came down and the "Ossies" came visiting. The "Westies" gave them all 200 D-marks, with no questions asked, "Welcome Money" they only had to go to any Bank or Post office with a DDR passport. Didn't take them long to realise there were no controls and they made repeated visits to various banks etc each time getting another "Welcome". We (W. German taxpayers) are still paying for them in a "Solidaritaets Beitrag" (Look it up).
Bring in the BNP. Stands for British National Party. Their the ones who can sort this country out and please do not say they are rasist. We are British so we vote for our British party.
As that ideot Brown keeps telling us we need them.
The comments here are too be expected (as is the ensuing red arrows I guess). These are criminals and poor people being easily led. There's no reason to suspect that British Nationals offered the chance of free cash, wouldn't have done the same thing. It's the fault of organised criminals not a governments immigration policy. The government has no responsibility for a bank's awful IT infrastructure!
Have not read the article but am happy to see Barclays have been robbed!
Another reason to vote ukip!
We have been ruined by these armies of foreign scroungers and criminals...out of Europe now..vote Bnp,that is what i will do if Cameron doesnt stop the terrible tragedy Labour has allowed to our country!!
The Sloivakians seeme to have learnded great lessons from the directors of the banking institutions..They have been robbing the banks for years ....A pity our law enforcement has not been as swift to put the lot of them in handcuffs....including Godwin who brought his bank to its knees and does not have to rob an ATM machine to pocket his illgotten gains...The tax payer,yoiu and me , take good care of him...His reward for greed and incompetance....and still in bed with HRH Charles and his chairities..
When you look at the overall amount taken it is hardly a fraud of any note. It not even a tenth of the bonus of an ordinary banker. Its more the embarrassment for the bank that counts.
Why are they out? So they can continue scamming?
When I was involved with Immigration enforcement work I regularly (nearly always) found that immigration offenders had credit cards, sometimes with high credit limits even though they were not permitted to work in the UK. Even when I informed the Card issuers that the holders were here illegally and due to be removed to their own countries I was rarely asked to confiscate the credit cards. Presumably the holders could then spend up to the limits in other countries. I doubt they paid off the cards. Banks appear to fall over themselves to give credit and have only themselves to blame for such losses.
if it was an arab country theyd be executed over here they might send them to a holiday camp
'Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. They were travelling in a Porsche Cayenne 4x4 which had arrived from Dover by ferry.' 34 in a Cayenne? Now THAT'S clever...
Amy, Bath: It will happen if the tories get in. The dream for all the politicians is to become a Euro superstate and have a president. Mr Tony Bliar is set up to become the (unelected by the people) President of Europe. They want the power that America has. They don't care about our country or our people. They let all immigrants in (illegal or otherwise) and give them citizienships and let them call themselves "British" and they allow them to vote ..and there is the crux of the matter. English may not vote for labour or tory but all immigrants will vote labour and the EU has told our government we have to take more thousands in, and they will do so because they are gutless. The EU bods must be obeyed. England will be dismanteled and become a region within Europe. There will not be any "Englishness" allowed. Take heed people, this is what will happen.
We need about 25 years of nationalist government. UKIP or BNP, I don't care which. Nationlist in the sense that they will put Britain first and the rest of the world second. Pull up the draw bridge on the incoming and clear out anyone who isn't legally here. In short, clean up the mess that this government has made and then ensure there are adequate controls in place befor elowering the draw bridge again. Britain has been sold out by this and previous governments in the interest of big business and their global ambitions for profit not social justice. All globalisation has done is to allow the criminal classes to roam the global preying on the innocent and corporations to redistribute poverty. This is what New Labour has abandoned the british people to.
Vote BNP... Stop this now..
It's all very well everyone blaming Tony Blair / Gordon Brown / NuLabour / the French / the Turks / the EU / immigration / Elvis Presley / whoever...the bottom line is that if Barclays weren't so stupid that "...unlimited money could be withdrawn from an account, even if there was technically hardly anything in it.", then this wouldn't have happened, would it?
This is one reason i will stay an ex pat!!! Such a shame.
Politicians have alot to answer for when they make decisions with such disasterous consequences. Countries like slovakia and romania were known to have notorious criminal gangs and thieves yet they were still welcomed into the EU. Money from the EU pours into these countries. By living the life of crime, stealing, pickpocketing and receiving benefits etc they send money to their own country and build mansions from the rich pickings they gain from western europe. This was only recently exposed in a documentary on TV.
"engage in its usual money-recovery activities." This means they will fleece it back from their investors.
This type of crime will escalate together with prostitution, the ever increasing drug problem and internet fraud as well as crime of every description. The reason why is that we are subservient to all the petty EU regulations that they throw at us. The three tired old parties are all for the EU and voting for them is voting for more sufferance. The only party that I can see to sort these problems out is the British National Party. Love them or hate them you can see that things are rapidly disintegrating in this country. Ignore them at your peril.
Theft from a bank is a crime! The Slovakian miscreants were caught and they will be hauled up before the beak and be given a severe slap on the wrist. On the other side of the coin, bankers were caught fraudulently emptying the coffers of billions and created an economic recession. For their efforts they were given huge bonuses. It looks like the banks are easy prey for thieves and frauds alike. As an incredible! How long will it be before we are told; "You local bank was robbed today. Therefore £xxx.xx has been deducted from your account to make up the shortfall"
As Tony Bliar said.......We need their skills......
When we agreed to open up our borders, who did they expect to get in, Goldilocks and the tooth fairy? Not with our benefits system ripe for the plucking and the police looking at thought crimes. Not a lot we can do about it really except thro' the ballot box.
'I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.' - Alexandrina, London, 14/9/2009 10:45 Whatever makes you think the Tories will close the borders? This is typical of lifelong NuLav voters who have become disenchanted with Brown and his henchmen. They fall for the BIG LIE that the 'other' Party will be better. Lib/Lav/Con are ONE Party. You can include UKIP also. They are ALL, without exception one hundred per cent committed to taking us into a Federal Europe and destroying the nation state. In fact we are so far into being obliterated as a nation state that, short of a revolution, it is probably too late to recover. The sadness lies in the truth that most of the electorate are ignorant of what is being done. The awakening will be brutal but much too late. Very clever really, the way they've fooled most of the people most of the time.
The Slovakian Government is run by the Mafia, believe it or not! So I, for one, am not surprised. I enjoyed my stay in Slovakia. They are really nice people and they take care of their country. HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When my elderly neighbours were burgled, the Police did not make any arrests. The perpetrator was found in the Danube, having failed his swimming test!........... We know, because a rather sharp little man told us........ The old folks did not get their valuables returned, though...........
How come that a scam using Barclays bank cards suddenly becomes a forum for political debate? How about turning on Barclays and asking them about security against fraud because there's obviously a lot of work to do, regardless of the political party in power!
Tragic that these people are living here in comfort while honest citizens, whose forefathers fought and died in the wars, are struggling to live a decent life. Why do you think house prices are so high? Because of the huge numbers of foreigners like this living in them.
It's not just the Slovaks.Here in Oz we've had a wave of ATM fraud perpetrated by Romanians.
"What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42" I cant believe that there are people who actually think this.Who are YOU to make such judgements? The dreadful day for us all was when USSR had destroyed Hitler to keep britain free,perhaps we could start from there? If you are not happy being in EU,than vote for the anti-EU party.And forget about the benefits of being a EU citizen.
I've said it before I'll say it again: LIBERALS = ULTIMATE TREASON
Madge Blair, France - Excellent. Totally agree with you...
When will this country get it's head from out of it's backside and realise that the majority of Immigrants, have lived up to now by their wits and by any means possible to simply survive. That means they are Street Wise, don't give a monkeys about the Authorities and will run rings round anybody in this Country, many of whom, quite frankly would have trouble changing a light bulb, without assistance from their computer. Face the facts, we are simply unprepared for the sort of scams that these people regard as normal life.
Just One Very Small problem here Once upon a time we had a Head of State. Namely Her Majesty, The Queen. No we have to answer to a Load of Unelected Politicians in the EU, and soon , to the President of the EU. Blair. Will the Tory Party give this country the Referendum as promised and take the UK OUT OF The EU. Then start to clear out all of the Garbage sent here by the EU. You are of course at liberty to tell me that I am wrong in what i believe. Pat
One of the "joys" of our membership of the EU it that every criminal scumbag in Europe has a legal right to come and live here. And, as is increasingly obvious, many have done just that. As the planet's population grows, so does the number of people involved in crime. Our only hope of avoiding being literally overrun by such people is by exerting very tight control over our borders. That means letting in a lot less "tourists", "students", spouses....and leaving the EU asap!
The Criminal Paradise of Great Britain. Send us your rapists,murderers,thieves and general scum. What an achievement for this lame government.
If anyone thinks that our Dave is going to do anything about all this, they should forget it. Dave is as much in love with the "EU dream" as all the other un-democratic load of swindlers in Westminster. They couldn't care less what our children and grandchildren have to put up with, living cheek by jowl with criminals, - they don't! Its the same here in france, the political pygmies who run this country are all living on another planet as well, and their corruption is as great as in England. Nobody is going to get deported out of all this, after all, they are all crooks together, aren't they? So they will look after each other. Until we have a party in Britain who cares about the British people more than lining their own pockets, this will go on and on!
The chickens are coming home roost now showing how stupid this country has been, we have let in every Tom Dick or Harry, legal or illegal when they do wrong they are allowed stay claiming asylum and benefits instead of being sent back to their country of origin, we sent back a terrorist to die in his own country , it will never change now the floodgates have been opened so long we are drowning in our own stupidity. GREAT BRITAIN no GUTLESS BRITAIN run by morons.
O ! I hear you all yelling but I bet you vote for a party thay will just carry on with it ??.
What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42 Yes what an awful day for a country to be reunited, hatred banished and the reunification of 2 powers. You are evidently a total philistine (look it up) please try to source your information from the Mail or other such periodicals (look it up)
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays. - Rick, Newcastle uk It was Ted Heath who tricked the electorate into joining the EEC, try and get Dave to promise a referendum for withdrawal from the EU. That's all it would take to guarantee a tory government.
I'm sure this wouldn't have happened if the Tories were in power
Not one red arrow comment so far, I think we are all singing from the hymn sheet. POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE!!
What on earth are we thinking about lettin g all this scum into our country and paying them to live here before our own people. We used to be a wonderful place to live, but now we are the rubbish of europe and the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Check on anyone who wants to come into our country before they even get to the borders, not after they arrive here where they can easily dissapear wiothout trace. When we travel abroad we have to go through border control with our passports etc, so how is it all these criminals are aable to get in without any problems. Disgusted of Bournemouth.
So Barclays blame a 'computer bug'. Sure do take us for mugs, dont they. It was their crass incompetence that was to blame. But what do they care? It will all be paid for in the charges that every one of Barclays customers pay. Thankfully I am not one of them.
We should get out of the EU now. Borders should be re-established, policed & enforced aggresively. Financial migrants should be sent home forthwith & not be allowed back (as should all immigrants who have commited any criminal offence). Human Rights should be abolished forever (the only people who seem to use them are those intent on criminal activity in any case & have no respect for anyone else's). The vast amounts of cash saved from the EU budget should be reinvested in our own country & distributed by qualified, competent professionals to help the masses & not just the few (not MP's or defunct MEP's)... Message sent to Santa early!
the french made 34 arrests ...I bet you they are sent back here instead of there own country .
So much for the holy grail of "Chip and Pin" security.. Wait till labours Id cards come in the back door.. Every detail of all our lives up for sale. Still voting marxist.?
I agree with ALL comments. It is time that we CLOSED our borders and GET OUT of the EU!!! I think ANY British citizen would vote for the Party who promises to take us out of the EU. Come on David Cameron make us that promise PLEASE!!!!!!!
"Out on bail". That's okay then, they'll disappear and more will take over and rob us all blind. Don't you just love the justice system, all for the criminals one and all !
build a wall dividing east and west europe and introduce severe border controls and kick all the garbage out.Which ever poliical party sorts out the mess will et my vote. Harry, a true brit.
Well thats a shock, NOT.!!! All living in our country, bleeding everyone dry and out on bail. Great. the party that takes us out of the stupid E.U. gets our vote.
I suppose it was organised by the government as part of thier attempt to balance the books.` Using slovacs to carry the can is a wonderfull idea, after all they are some of our better imports, they steal overseas and bring the cash to the UK. Now all we need to do is use them to train our MPs.
Perspective: The money was taken from a massive, multi-national company that made £6.1 BILLION PROFIT last year. That's a 0.005% loss in profits. If this happened to you or I (and you or I earn i.e. £25K a year) it's the equivalent of having about £1.25 stolen from you. £1.25!!! I lose more than that down the back of the sofa each year..... With banks having illegally taken around £5bn from customers every year in penalty charges, this 'loss' is a complete joke.
What a lovely people. We give them safe haven and the chance to make a new life and this is how they 'repay' us. No pun intented.
One has to ask the question WHY these foreign criminals choose to live in & target this country for robbery, theft, scams, fraud etc etc. Answer is simple - our Government has made it so damn easy, the EU is happy for them to be "our" problem & even if they're caught we still pay the cost of keeping them in prison. We have a proud history of being a refuge for the oppressed but these days we're the oppressed, suppressed and damned depressed!
If our police know who they are they should be arrested and tried over here. Then sent back to Slovakia to do their time.
This shows just how grateful they are to be here in OUR country..... NOT satisfied with ALL the FREE BEEs they get from us tax payers ...they take more....Deport them all
How lucky we all are to be members of the EU.
I have the perfect defence for these money loaders. They were on a mission for Bully Brown - "Quantitative Easing'....
These fine upstanding citizens of Europe who now reside her, probably on benefits, along with murderers and rapists, etc., that we have inherited courtesy of our beloved masters. They will probably be returned to England, allocated Probation Officers, given new identities and round the clock Police Protection. That is of course, after they have had medical check ups, and been assessed to see if they are eligible for any more benifits due to a change in their circumstances. Have I missed anything out.? Well they will get the appropriate advice. I know the advice the man in the street woukd give them. We have to get this Labour lot out, then get out of Europe.
Far from putting a stop to the outrage of having to house, clothe, feed, breed the hordes of foreign criminals and freeloaders who are here and arriving here daily, the EU is now proposing (and will do, as they are the bosses) to "share" out the zillions of 'refugees' from the Third World (who are rather inconveniently still in 'their' countries) with us -- after all, it's only fair isn't it. We've still got a bit of standing room here. GET US OUT OF THE EU!!! LIKE NOW!! Cameron, note! You've got one chance and one only!
Good luck to them,any crook from abroad who wants to cheat the British system get over here as quick as you can,its so easy for you,do a bit of thieving,if you get caught they will probably give you benefits until your case comes to court,if it ever does,and you will almost certainly only just get a telling off,its a piece of cake.the police hardly ever prosecute fraudsters,Westminster has turned the UK into a gangsters paradise,large and small.
Yet more foreign criminals 'based' in Britain. We must be the softest, daftest, most gullible nation on God's earth. Why the hell can everyone else see the truth of open-border policy but the government cannot?
While our lads are giving their lives to fight terrorists overseas this bunch of idiots known as our government are letting criminals, just another form of terrorist, into this once decent country.
Ah the joys of being forced to have this scum living in our midst because our politicans haven't got the foresight or spine to retreat from EU membership. We entered for trade reasons and remain for, God only knows what reasons; the benefits are miniscule compared to the burden, not only financially but culturally and socially. We must get out of the EU and reclaim our right to cast out the increasing career criminals descending from Eastern Europe.
Cassandra, Nottingham The EU enlargement and the prospective EU membership of Turkey is one of the main foreign policy goals of the United States of America. Americans want Turkey on their side and they want Turkey inside the EU. The main advocates od neo-liberal capitalism and the main supporters od NATO are in eastern Europe. The ex-communist states have a socio-economic policy which is almost idential to that of USA and UK. This is why they are supported by Britain and the US. The mere fact that these countries were allowed to enter the EU is a price we had pay to keep the Yanks happy. And this is why Turkey will be allowed to enter, despite the pressure from Germany and France. Britain, unsurprisingly is one of the main supporters of the Turkish membership. The more countries that are in the EU, the weaker the central Franco-German alliance within it.
!"There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!" 1)there is a ban in most of the european countries.You,british,wanted to earn a quick buck on cheap labour and lifted the ban,so dont complain now 2)turkey won't join EU ever,cause its not even in Europe. 3)before you cry "we want out" dont forget that there are around 4 mlns of british emigrants living on the continent.
Are we 'trying' to import foreign mafia's??? Criminal enterprise should be a good reason to eject foreign criminals. Surely, it's a no brainer...........break the law.........off you go.
"close all borders NOW!!! - Fran ex pat, The Netherlands Ede, 14/9/2009 10:27" Lets start from you,our french parasite in Wageningen
I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.
I am surprized to see some of the comments like : "close the borders"; "london will end like Beruit"; "these countries have lived in poverty for generations" ..... The answer does not lie in the above mentioned. The point is that there was a loop hole in the barclays system as well as the legal system which allowed these criminal to move bail. These are the only two points which need to be addressed. The EU is there to stay and is part of a much broader picture - obviously incomprehensible by the readers making the above comments! A lot of people forget that when native Britons go abroad, some of them too have been known to be "thugs .... (footbal thugs for example) ..... murderers ..... thieves ... etc.... You get bad apples in every country and every walk of life and then there are white collar crimes also - for what makes them more acceptable than these crimes? We have our own share of bad apples amongst the native as well as settled migrants who call UK their "home"
Will they get deported? I guess not
thank you mr politician you have heaped the dregs of europe onto our country and now you are scared to do anything about we are on the very short road to civil war here as people are sick of it.
Welcome to the new 21 century England.
Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats.
When will this dim-witted, flat-headed, self-serving, incompetent shower of a Government claw itself for a moment out of the stinking morass of its own rank ineptitude to realise its short-sighted, hare-brained, amateurish excuse of an immigration policy has dragged this once-fine country down to the scum-laden gutter?
More "benefits" of forced immigration.
I hope to God that Turkey is not next, it's peaceful here with little criminal activity of this sort. Keep us out, PLEASE!!!
On bail, others released - you wont see them for dust. They ALL should have been locked up until their court case and then deported back to the place of their birth and be done with it.
Well done to Nu-labour for destroying our once great nation by allowing scum from all over the world to reside in the UK , I know where my vote will go and it's not the three main parties.
Another own-goal by our open-door policy... At least they are wandering off abroad to nick the dosh, shows theat tthey KNOW there is nothing left nicking in Britain, thanks to our excellent politicians (current and "retired") who have nicked it all for themselves.
You ain't seen nothing yet, wait until Turkey is allowed to join the EU and then you will see trouble in our streets. You have done a wonderful job of protecting other countries NuLabour while allowing the UK to go down the pan with the amount of crap you have allowed to pour in and to all you do gooders and PC loonie Lefties, let see how happy you are about human rights for all when your bank account is hacked.
After having Barclays phone me every weekend at 9am over money Barclay's stole out of my account all I can say, is it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bank.
Stupid New Labour, stupid big business encouraging New Labours immigration policy. At the end of the day the tax payer always picks up the bill. When is the British government going to represent British people? These clowns and their vote rigging election policies need to be gone. Sorry to say it but we need a Britain for the British government or we will have the BNP rising and rising!
No doubt they used their unlimited cash credit cards to come up with the bail money
Wonder how they managed to get through nu-labours "Tough new points system", this is just another example of the fine upstanding people labour are allowing to flood our streets. Please remember this in may next year when that clown woolas tells us all how labour have got immigration under control.
I agree with cassandra, nottingham, the end of the Soviet Union was a bad day for the west, the worst since WW2.
Cassandra Nottingham You alluded to the forthcoming rubber stamp job of allowing Turkey to join EU. Turkey has land borders of 269 km with Bulgaria, 203 km with Greece, 276 km with Georgia, 325 km with Armenia, 18 km with Azerbaijan (Nahjivan), 529 km. with Iran, 378 km with Iraq and 877 km with Syria. And each one of the borders can be walked across with a suitcase. So let in Turkey and you let in the world.
Get out of the EU. Close our borders and stop these criminals from debasing our society. Further stop paying benefits to all migrants.
They should be locked up and the key thrown away, but no they are released on bail, beggars belief how this country is being fleeced by foreigners to our shores. We should be pulling up the drawbridge and throwing out anyone that has broken our laws.
I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good old EU...the best thing that ever happened to us....NOT !
Are these some the people that make the valuable contribution to this country that we keep hearing about? - without doubt this government have damaged us beyond repair!
yet another crime committed by immigrants living in Britain. When will we ever learn. We have enough of our own underclasses without welcoming in those of our European Neighbours. Out of the EU now and close our borders. Revolution required.
Fran the ex-pat; Have you booked your ticket home??? Hypocrite!!
If you read the article properly you will see that they have ALL been released, because the 4 ringleaders were bailed!!!! This beggars belief, and was probably done in the sure and certain knowledge that they would all scarper back here, saving the French shed loads of money and effort in prosecuting them! How did we allow this once orderly and law abiding country to become a haven for the gangs and criminals of the world? Sorry to be un-PC, but most of the crimes we hear about, including inner city knife crimes and muggings ARE carried out by those who did not originate here!!!!! What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged. These countries have lived in poverty for generations, obviously they will head to places where the living and pickings are easy! There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!
They've been allowed 'out on bail' !!!! Do you really think they are going to hang around - nope they'll head right back to good old UK where they'll be safe with the rest of the criminals allowed in - close our borders now and shut/block the tunnel we have enough of our own scum without the rest of the EU's
Proves how disasterous the open borders policy from the EU is. Britain should refuse re-entry of these criminals back to our country. This is one of the reasons why the dregs of the world flock to the UK. Once they are here, they become untouchable by the law. They can do what they like.
No doubt they were shipped back across the channel on the first ferry available where they were no doubt met with tea, toast and train fare home!!!!!
I feel so proud that our ancient capital city is home to a substantial community of Slovakian criminals. We used to have our own small criminal class, that was easily policed. Now we have the dregs of the world setting up "communities". generally in subsidized housing & with their human rights protected at our expense. Unless we have a massive change of direction & soon, London will end up like Beirut.
close all borders NOW!!!
'armed police made 24 arrests...' why does the media refer to 'armed police' as if to give some dramatic edge to a story. In most normal coutries the police are armed as a matter of course, so this is no big deal, indeed most foreigners cannot believe that the police can or ar prepared to do their job here without a sidearm to protect themselves or the public.
Well thats a surprise, all have been bailed and released into to community, where they will vanish, never to be seen again. Until next time we are lucky enough to catch them at it. (or the French) Then what? Thats right, back to the start of comment.
And I suppose they have all returned to London with their ill- gotten gains without any check at our borders, ready to plan their next scam. OUT of the EU now, and seal our borders tight.
thank you tony blair and gordon brown well done......just more eastern european crime for france and the uk to deal with..........
Quantitative easing Slovakian style.
it is not difficult to bypass the security to access unlimited withdrawals from a Bank Card, but you do need an 'insider' to make the necessary changes to the accounts in question to allow unlimited withdrawals, the euphemism used here a "computer bug" is a term frequently used by Banks as a catch all for an 'inside job' the truth is bank and credit card fraud has never been higher, particularly internet related activities, if the Banks were to come clean over the billions they lose each year through fraudulent activities we would stop trusting them and they would soon go out of business, so we are always told these are 'isolated incidents' and 'computer bugs' the losses are insured anyway so the banks can afford to keep it quiet.
Can't see any reason why not! These people arrive here fully aware "IF" caught nothing much will happen to them. The same excuses will be used, we come from a country where we have had harsh treatment and for a better life or it's not our fault our mothers didn't breast feed us. Guess what ? The do-gooders stand for it and more and more criminals follow making lawyers very wealthy and the public here unhappy and living in despair. Ever thought it's been done on purposed.
Lets hope the French send them back to Slovakia.
Britain the dumping ground for the worlds criminals, thanks to the Labour government and corrupt EU.
Welcome to the European Union Dream. If this scam had happened in the UK no doubt the fraudsters would have been released on "insufficient evidence" from the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Lets hope they all get deported.Very nice what this open door policy has done for our Countries. This is what these people do best.
what do you expect these people from other countries think the streets are paved with gold and when they find out they are not then they help themselves to what everyone else has worked for,I hope the french send them back to thier own country , there is not enoungh houses and jobs anymore for our own people wake up britain and france don't let them in unless they have money to support themselves.
I really do hope the french authorities come down really heavily on these people and make a lasting example of them. A clear message this behaviour will not be tolerated. If this crime had occurred in the UK, our craven legal system would have probably given them a community service order!
Why can we not ban all suuch foreign criminals from entering our country? Would it harm their EC inspired Human Rights?
Unwitting accomplices ? the poor things must feel proper foolish now !!! Any way ...Foreign criminal gangs operating from the UK. ...what a surprise. Will these people be deported from England , when they of course come back to Blighty.
"The London based East European gang" just about says it all, NuLabours one great achievement, Britain crime magnet to the world.
i trust that those persons arrested are deemed as unsuitable to be in the UK and are imprisoned in France and then sent back to Slovakia, im not holding my breath !! more scum in my country .
This caused problems for ordinary travelers. I went to pay my hotel bill that morning in Calais with my M&S card. The process was 'abandon,' I informed the receptionist that my wife also had a card, thinking that mine had been damaged and that she would pay the bill. Unfortunately her card was also 'abandon,' Luckily, I had my Barclay card with me that went through with no problem.Upon reaching home I telephoned M&S to report that our cards had been rejected. I was informed that our cards were perfectly alright and that the two transactions at the hotel had been accepted, this now means that I have paid one bill three times. M&S say that I have got to contact them again on Tuesday, ( tomorrow ) so that they can sort it out. Hopefully they will have read your article and will cancel out the two charges.
This is the scum we are letting in to the UK and we must get out of the EU now. If anyone can give one good reason for staying in I'll give ten for leaving. The cost for remaining a member is both financially and constitutionally ludicrously high.
They will probably be sent back to London where they will be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again! The french should deport them back to their own country and they should not be allowed to set foot in Britain again. ( I wish)
"unwitting accomplices" How can they be unwitting, if they drew money from a bank account they must have known that it was a scam. Or why did they travel to France in the first place. I see the French Police have released them on bail, do they honestly think these people will come back? Yet another scam run by people this country let in because of the EU's rules. If we were not members of this nasty club we could control the scum that are arriving daily.
I expect the french will blame the british for this.
A security bug? How convenient for the criminals - coincidence, or an inside job?
This country has enough scumbags of its own. Close our borders NOW!
Poor old Barclays. All those decades of cash dispensers and still there is a 'bug' in their system. Someone in IT will be looking for another job soon, especially if the 'bug' was an inside job, as seems very likely. At least the crooks had the good sense to withdraw Euros! I wonder what Barclays will do to the people whose cards were used, presumably on accounts with zero or negative balances. Do they even know where they live? Or who they are?
Un-controlled immigration, un-controlled crime, un-controlled criminals. Lets get rid of this Government and control our borders.
Dimwit politicians are to blame
I see the banks are starting to realise that cutting back on computer security personnel was perhaps not the brightest idea, after all. Last week, I learned how low a regard banks had for people who have the skills to keep their entire infrastructure working: When my fiancee and I opened a joint bank account at Deutsche Bank, the teller needed to put my occupation into the computer system. The killer detail? They had no category for IT workers of any description!
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays.
Education here has been ruined by the Educationalists. It has further declined by the perceived need to provide translators - this helps neither the non-English nor the English speaking pupils. In fact no translators or translations should be provided in any organisation, at least not at taxpayers' expense.
Well if there were fewer immigrants making such high demands on the NHS waiting lists would be shorter for the rest of us.
If as you say, having foreigners in the UK is putting a strain on services and the benefits system, then why not stop all benefits to everyone, as all your arguments suggest it would stop immigrants coming to the UK. I have the idea that most of the migrants from east of the danube come to work and work a damn sight harder than the english are prepared to do and are not here for the purpose of claiming your precious benefits. People from the rest of the world outside europe I won,t speak up for because I don,t have any information.
Our children are suffering too as way too many languages being catered for in our schools, so perhaps it's best if you do go home, for everyone's sake.
That's a bit rich. It's because of the mass immigration in general that our schools and NHS are in the state they are in through overcrowding .Anyway don't let up stop you from leaving,good bye.
Says a lot about their intelligence if they're still here then.
"Eastern European parents worried that children are working below their academic level" - Well it might just be that the Government and school inspectors will take note and improve teaching for British children. They might then stand a better chance of competing in the job market, as our youngsters have become second class when it comes to employment.
Goodbye.
They are right, they can have the zoo of a state school I went to and that was in the early 80's.
Clear off then !, far too many pupils in our classes anyway !!
dont seem to be rushing to get back to eastern europe though!!
So what with the Labour Government and now this bunch they may not throw out murderers and criminals but by the time they are finished with the country all those here would have left for a better life. Of course it is the consequence of their actions not the intentions. You will note the only ones in the country that are better off are civil servants and MPs/politicians. Oh and of course those on benefits and been on them for years. I'm telling you VOTE UKIP and get our country back.
This is excellent news. Now all we need to do is persuade these people that they could save on air fares by staying in their own country permanently.
Well do one if you dont like it.
We have all these EU immigrants which we welcomed with open arms and most are working hard and paying their taxes which is exactly what the government wants. The problem is the government don't want to spend any of that money on the NHS or Education,no they would rather save it along with all the other cutbacks and keep paying millions a day into Europe. This way the figures look good under this Clownilition and gives them a few more billion for the Olympics and some aircraft carriers we don't need along with the new planes to go on them as we sold the last ones cheap to the USA. And while i'm here Cameron better jump into bed or have dinner with the new French president Hollande as we're supposed to use their navy until our boats are ready and if you can believe it the French are supposed to be building some new nuclear power plants here,only for us to pay through the nose for forever more. This shambles is so out of touch they think by 2015 we will still vote for them. Their joking.
who is forcing them to stay here. GOD HELP THIS GENEROUS COUNTRY.
to all those who suggest we all go home: who is going to do all the work you brits are too lazy to get off your backsides to do then?? you are a culture of 'get something for nothing', and that's why you need some 'help'. differently from their asian and african fellow immigrants, you will find very few eastern europeans are living on benefits in UK. i, for one, have no knowledge of a single person of the sort. i personally have a great qualified job in the city, and i can say that even though i have only ever been in private hospital in UK, the service, equipment and premises were many times worse than in the country i am from. and to those who now will accuse me of taking your jobs away from you - over the years i have seen dozens of brit colleagues being hired and then fired because of the simple lack of ability and even interest to try to do the job properly. open your eyes to see that eastern europeans are the last thing you lot should be moaning about
Ah, so that's the government's plan. Make it seem so awful here that they all go home, then suddenly whip the dust cloth off a shiny new NHS and school system... Genius.... Oh, right, they're actually just making it awful to live here if you're not in their millionaires' club? No shiny new facilities?
Schools and the NHS are not just failing immigranst, they are failing all of us. I know of several UK born residents who go abroad for medical care. I am aware of a family that moved to France becasue the NHS told them that a certain drug used to control the father's Khron's disease was too expensive to supply, but in France he is given it with no problem, and on the TV program, Sun, Sea and A&E I saw a person being treated in a Spanish hopital for a sinus problem with a scan and medication which I have been unable to get for my chronic sinusitis. I suffer from glaucoma and for years have had regular check ups but lately the appointments have been cancelled as the hospital cannot cope with the demand. Will they wait until I go blind before I get to see a doctor? Our hospitals can do great things and most of the staff are wonderful, but often it is a matter of luck.
Ah I'm sooooooo sorry to hear that! how do you find our benefits system, any better?
Good get on a plane and go home! There are 2m of you here already, we could well do without you thanks very much then perhaps our own unemployed BRITISH work force will secure full time jobs.
The UK is failing its own children, whose parents have paid into the system, and its own people with its NHS service, precisely because it has taken in all and sundry,and all nationalities, who see it as their right to an education and free health service! It is about time the UK Government closed the gates, Kicked out those who don't contribute, and maybe things would start to improve. Making regular trips home , which are probably paid for by UK handouts! Come on UK, when will it stop?????
Go back to where you came from then.... believe me, NO ONE will stop you and we can save our hard earned ££ for much better things ! BYE BYE!!
This is nothing new: I know a woman who came over with her son from Poland in the first wave after restrictions were lifted. She always returned for dental treatment and I am sure she would have returned for medical treatment if it had been necessary. Regarding schools: immigrants seem to have no perception of the huge stress and burden on schools and other public services precisely BECAUSE of the huge number of immigrants. To turn your nose up at a system that you have been at least a little responsible for damaging is rather arrogant. I actually heard Poles say that we - the UK taxpayer - should provide exclusively Polish schools for their children!
Well you know where the border is don't you. Perhaps if our teaching and NHS are below standard because we have been inundated with migrants putting a strain on everything, having to priovide information in x number of different languages etc etc. Just a thought.
Dont hurry back
Flamenca in Spain. Yes the Spanish seem to have decided the solution to their problems is to remove health care from EU citizens despite their treaty obligations, and despite the fact that the costs get charged back to the home country anyway. However it seems a pretty funny way to encourage more of us to retire there - quite the opposite, it is encouraging more and more to try to sell up and get the hell out of there and never go back. Quite how the Spanish think this will help their vital tourism industry, or PR image outside Spain beats me. The best days in Spain are well and truly over, and they have only themselves to blame for concreting over the coasts, building 500,000 homes for no buyers, and spending EU funds on enormous new airports like Madrid bigger than any potential need. Suicide!!!
Simple answer, go back then. When the stupid UK public wakes up, sacks the present government and installs UKIP, they will have to go back anyway.
NHS broken State Education Broken.... why awful unions, smash the unions and get free schools up and running NOW. fund hospitals directly cut out all top level NHS management. have unpaid retired businessmen on the boards of hospitals give them a OBE or something
Dale in Wirral - why live in the UK at all? Because they can probably earn cash in hand here for at least part of their work. They can get UK rated welfare benefits for the kids which will far outstrip the level of benefits at home. And being a foreigner in a country has always given people the upper hand as there are few records on you, it is much easier to be invisible for tax purposes etc etc etc. However if things are so much better at home we can but hope that many will get fed up and decide to leave. Maybe they might like to try France and see just how different it is there. Not a cat in hell's chance of getting benefits there unless you have paid tax and Social Security for some years first. That's why they all come here.
Not a problem, about turn don't pass go and pick up £200!
" A new paper suggests...." -------------- - In the past, we called it a survey, and a survey can be worded to tell you whatever you want it to tell you.
To address both our education and NHS problems one must first resolve their problems. In both instances immigration is a major problem. The solution therefore is obvious to all - except to the coalition government and the EU politicians.
Well clear off back home then.
GOOD You know where the nearest airport is!
Perhaps these 'survey experts' should start visiting city A&E's, doctors surgeries and primary schools, along with benefit agencies in the main cities of this country, then perhaps they would see that there are very serious doubts about their sweeping comments. If east european are so concerned with their offsprings poor education in this country, why are we needing more and more schools in the future??...perhaps to suit our own residents declining birth rates!!!
There is no barbed wire fencing and all the doors are unlocked, Why do you lot not take the golden opportunity to make full use of exits????
Now the story has been blown, I suppose soon there will be thousands of British people coming to Poland for private healthcare which is affordable and of a very high standard, even if state healthcare is failing in many areas. Many doctors and dentists speak good English, as do the receptionists at the health centres. Before you book your tickets, though, check out yesterday's story and comments about the fares on budget airlines and mainstream carriers.
"how provision can be improved to support migrant families with children.Â’ / No concern then about how the NHS can be improved for our own people? If we didn't have so many immigrants we might then have and be able to afford services as good as in Bulgaria, Poland, and Romania. Not to mention affording a better state pension.
Our doors are always open --- please feel free to leave anytime.
Begs the question why live in UK at all then???
Why are they here in the first place???? If it is so good in their own country why not stay there and leave the money and jobs for us Brits???
With family in both Hungary and the UK and having lived in both countries for many years I can compare the two systems and it is very clear that the academic standards here are far higher than in UK schools. In fact they are too exacting and there is too much pressure on children from as young as 11 are who regularly made to take tests with failure meaning having to repeat a year. They are also overloaded with homework, which seems to have gone out of fashion in the UK and have to continue with compulsory (maths, chemistry etc) right up until 18. As for specialists the situation really is better here as you can get an appointment immediately with any specialist in a state run hospital (in Budapest) , but since they are paid peanuts (about 100 pounds a week after tax) the government can afford to employ a few of them.
Speaks volumes about the decline in this country doesn't it?
Well Spain has stopped treatment of 500,000 immigrants to save money. I wonder what the EU has to say about this?? If UK were to do the same, then a lot of money could be saved. Then again the EU might send a nasty letter if UK did it.
If things are so much better in Poland what on earth are they all doing here. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, what more do they want....jam on it!
I had surgery on my eyes in a private clinic , the surgeon was brilliant had all the super modern equipment, lense implants from America no need to be an inpatient. examined on the Thursday operated on the following Tuesday and the same again for the other eye two weeks later. The NHS told me there was nothing they could do for me. So yes a better health service here and the doctors light years ahead with surgical procedures, most of them trained in Russian Medical Schools.
GOOD! Our London schools and hospitals are struggling to cope with the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans.
good riddance
Go home then!
Well go back home and stay there then.
No surprises here. THE NHS IS FINISHED. UK SCHOOLS ARE FINISHED. If you are a vulnerable pensioner in the UK then you know that you are FINISHED - the bloated, mealy-mouthed, self-serving, two-faced, bloated, hypocritical parasites loitering in the House of Conmen could not give a damn.
This is excellent news for Britain as it now means the British will have shorter waiting lists and it is after all the British Taxpayers who have paid for the NHS.
Perhaps if our NHS wasnt openly abused by the world and it's brother, we would all have a better service and shorter waiting times. Oh, and if things are so much better in Poland, Bulgaria etc, why dont they go back and stay there?
Good. The country is overcrowded anyway with freeloaders and NHS tourists. They only want to be here if the perks are better than back home? Yeah, but while you are taking our perks, our share is diminishing by the day. Once it hits rock bottom, you lot are going to do a runner. No nationality. No loyalty. Floating population of opportunists. Just come and go as you please, pick the perks and buzz off when they ain't good enough. Good, maybe it will reduce our population and over stretched services and we can have some of what's left!
Bye Bye
'British schools fail our children say Eastern European immigrants' . >>>>>>>>>>. Well there's a very simple answer as what to do then isn't there. So why wait?
If they are so discontent they can always go home permanently. Oh hang on, that would mean losing child benefits, housing benefits, council housing, free education, free healthcare, tax credits etc wouldn't it
First of all this is not what the Polish Guys who work with me say, their medical system is collapsing in some ares and their isn't medicine to be had. Never mind Eastern Europeans, all people wait for Consultant appointments and find dental work expensive. When will the government look at discrimination at the English population who have paid N.I. and Taxes and still pay for prescriptions through the nose etc where others do not. Yes Children may have done harder stuff back "home" but unless they can communicate Teachers can"t tell this and a lot of time is taken up with learning to speak English. . Why do the parents come here in the first place? If it is so good back home
Well there's a real easy answer to all of the above; they can just all go back to where they come from but not before paying back the benefits they've claimed.
1) Why are we spending money on finding out how to spend more money on immigrants? 2) The reason they can afford to do this is probably because we pay them benifits they wouldn't get at home.
I cannot believe this - how about an extra effort to ensure that ALL of our children are being challenged academically, rather that just one migrant group!!! I would welcome many of the million plus who have flooded this country and put a severe strain on our schools and NHS services returning home to their superior services. The main difference between their countries and ours is that they are not flooded with millions of financial migrants and asylum seekers year on year and can concentrate on looking after their own people and the services they pay for. I can't get my daughter into our local Church school in Streatham because over 80% of the places for the last 3 years have been given to Polish financial migrants, and they are complaining!!! If it's not good enough for you, feel free to go home!!
Certainly compared with Australia , the NHS waiting times can seem excessive .
No doubt the flights home for treatment are paid for out of their UK tax payer funded benefits.
Perhaps if the floodgates hadn't been opened, our NHS and schools wouldn't be under so much pressure and we'd all get a better service. The NHS was not designed to treat half the northern hemisphere.
They are failing our children too - and imagine how native Britons feel who have paid taxes and national insurance, and are put even further down the waiting list at hospitals.
Hysterical. Their causing the major problems with our health and education but they have the opportunity to flit back home when they need a better service.
Well don't worry with Hollande and the soicalist Old europe countries ,it will soon be federalism and we will not have enough spit to put on a stamp when he and his like take over..THE FRENCH admitt the plan was always this pout of the mouth of Hollandes mentor Jacques Attali . He hates the uk like Mitterand so he will break us first so best you all return to your own country after all you are so ooooo European,, take all contribute nothing..Maybe just maybe we might then be able to have class rooms small enough of kids who can speak English...NHS ..the shame they go back home and have it free we go to them and we have to pay...if this is a united european state then count me out Mr President Hollande
Hold on "ideas on how provision can be improved to support migrant families with children" - What about our own children? Are we not all meant to be equal in this country? Are our waiting times not because we have so many migrants? Isn't our education service suffering because the schools are over crowded, many times because the children can't speak English?
Insanely stupid article. Generalizing whole Eastern Europe - almost 100 million people. Just stupid, sorry no other words coming, I'm shocked.
This is really really funny!!!Gum trafficking to Romania?!!I can't wait to tell my colleagues in college about this!!!Watch your gum,I will steal it and send it to Romania!!!Why?Because I am romanian!!!!Well done Mr.David Walton!!!
I am romanian and this is really, really funny!!!POLICE INVESTIGATION??!!!HA HA HA!!!Yeah,this is the real MAFIA!!!!Well done Mr.David Walton!!!!
What?
Well, I think this is some sort if April Fools' Joke.... in October. Yes, in smaller shops in Romania, they tend to offer you chewing gum instead of change - or bonbons, or lollypops for that matter. However the author somehow forgets to mention this. It's because people in Romania rarely bother with coins; but to say that chewing gum is used as a currency is wildly exaggerated. I mean, try to imagine some sort of huge underground network, smuggling not drugs or weapons, but chewing gum and Haribo's .... imagine some sort of scar-faced, Russian-speaking character with an AK shouting - "where is my shipment of Wrigley's?" It's plain ridiculous!
I was regularly given..gum. by shop-keepers...to * make-up * for the small change.! and that was in Rome...1975..!
Is it just me or is the planet truly going insane?
Could of used the gum stuck under tables and chairs in macdonalds, it's free
We should leave it to the local police to chew over the facts of the case
'Using chewing gum as currency in Romania'...just about sums up the future of the Euro and the EU
It's their human rights. So what's the problem?
Get rid of them today and track down the people who have married and get rid of them as well. We cannot carry on like this.
There are certain classes of person that can be legally deported under EU rules. Criminals and those posing threats to national security can be ejected with relative ease. This is nothing more than an attempt at pulling the wool over the British people's eyes, pushing us to unconditionally accept "the rules" from Brussels..
I was always told there is not such a word as cannot., there is always a way round things, we must stop the U.K. being exploited. when will the government start to listen we need to get out of the E.U. as soon as possible.
If it wasnÂ’t so serious it would be funny. Why are people demanding a referendum on the EU ? We had a vote in May, and most voted to stay in. Or didnÂ’t people notice ? Ho well, you have another opportunity in four years and eight months time. But I guess by then, it will not worth it, as we will be no more.
Re job cuts. Judges. What is the point of them?
CHANGE THE LAW! Good grief! Years of socialism and the dungaree brigade telling us to understand and letting all and sundry set up camp on our shores is sending us down the drain.
What an unattractive bunch those 6 are! Lord, ugly noses!
"Why can't they be deported? - Raging Granny, Nottingham" They can be deported (fact), other EU countries do it (fact). Only British judges seem to have an aversion to this (fact).
The whole of the UK wishes you could deport them....
This is what happens when you allow uncontrolled immigration into this country.These scum should be deported immediately and never be allowed back into this country.If the only way we as a country can legally do this is to withdraw from the EU as these are EU citizens then I say go ahead and give us a referendum on whether to pull out or not.I for one like millions of others would vote yes to pull out of the EU without a second thought.
Gutless judge - government. Whose country is this? I know I'm in good company with any poster when I say that deportation should not be remotely out of the question (after a 5 year prison sentence at hard labor and all available assets seized). Deportation should be via an airdrop from about 35,000 feet on a winter day with WWII surplus parachutes (suitable for infants) that have been resting in some cellar collecting mold.
Britain is owned by Europe now. Our MEP's are paid vasts sums + put their own greed before what the British public wants. They don't wish us to leave Europe as they would then have to find real jobs with zero perks. It's a gravy train. It will only get worse. Britain will become a dumping ground for all the dross who can't make it in their own country. Welfare bills will spiral out of control + as the population of ingrates who don't speak the language grows. The system will be easier to scam money out of as it will be overburdened by the sheer numbers.Sharia law is already here, halal meat is served up in schools+ hospitals, fewer police, crime numbers instead of investigations, chavs roaming the streets like feral dogs, schools trying to teach with zero discipline + students that speak 27 different languages, Lithuanian knife wielding squatters, churches becoming pubs, 13 year olds having children. Is it any wonder that the UK is the worst place to live in the EU? No, not really
Its time to change our laws and boot them out, we must have a devils Island some where we can send them to live on with no modern systems.
There needs to be a change in regulation regarding immigrants (from non-conflictive countries) who are found guilty of criminal offences. These people should be deported back to their country of origin and never allowed back. Whilst the EU keeps its policy of human rights, thousands of criminals are allowed to roam freely with the community. This has to be stopped. As taxpayers why should we have to support this vermin living comfortably in British jails?
Why can't they be deported. We don't want thisscum in our country, taking our benefits and defrauding the system. GET RID OF THEM
The ever increasing costs of providing for these immigrants are going to destroy the uk economy and where will we be then? Where will they be? Our prisons are busting with not only our home grown criminals but those from the EU and compared to their prisons ours are near enough like 4 star B &B's. If we keep draining the system then we are all in deep trouble. If the Human Rights are so clever, why is it right to have to work and give to those who just come here to steal and commit crimes. In the prisons they should have a great big power system that the criminals should have to get on and pedal to provide power for heat and light.
Why when the majority of Brits want out of the EU are we still in it? They along with New Labour have destroyed this country. If Cameron had the guts to call another election quoting our removal from the EU he would win a landslide victory. Dream on Denis never in my lifetime!
This is what is wrong with the EU. We should be able to boot people out on the three strikes principle. All EU countries should agree that if a person is put out of a member country for being a criminal they should be banned from ever going back to that country. A big stamp right across the page of the passport would show other countries this person was not welcome in the UK and warn the next country about the problem they might be allowing into their country. Return to sender should be allowed.
We are not allowed to deport EU criminals to their country of origin? When they are released they will not be able to find employment and I thought that if EU citizens were not able to support themselves and provided they had not been here for longer than two years in employment they would not have recourse to public funds and they could be deported. I scarcely think that being involved in criminal activities, although they derived an income, can be construed as being in employment. Come on legal eagles let's have a view on this EU legislation.
How do you run up a debt at a casino? None of the ones I've ever worked at offer credit
All these posters asking Mr Cameron to do something about European Union rulers dictating to Britain, in cases like this and many others, should wake up, and realise that the tough Conservative party of Mrs Thatcher is finished, the modern Conservative party loves the EU every bit as much as the Labour or Liberal parties, if you want tough action and out of the EU, vote either UKIP or BNP next time.
Come Vince Cable, bring in more like this, we should deport regardless of the EU and ignore their threats of legal action and if the fine us with hold twice that amount from our payments and continue till they have had enough of us. I hope David Cameron has the guts to sort this mess out
Time to start farming out 'our' criminals to Third World countries. This would be cheaper for us and a little earner for the countries concerned. 6 months in a fly-ridden rat hole with no air con or cable would make an impact on the criminal classes. They knew what they were doing when they sent crims out to the 'colonies' - biggest mistake of all was that they did it the wrong way round - the whole law-abiding population should have been shipped out to Oz and left this miserable, damp island for the crims.
I totally agree with James, Grays. in every case without exception - criminals should be sent to their home country to serve the sentence Now thats a great idea to put before the EU Commissioners - what about it Prime Minister.!!!!!!
The judge is supposed to be a learned man so why is he hiding behind a smoke screen
Come on judge. You can't deport them?. Tell that to the French and Germans. We are the only stupid country that sticks by these stupid EU laws.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
So basically its like advertising that if you want to commit a crime come to the UK - you'll get a lighter sentence, serve it in a nice comfortable setting and you can't get deported. Oh and as a bonus, when you're released you'll be given some lovely benefits aswell. Its the same here in Ireland - every piece of scum from eastern europe has decided to come here - if they are caught, it usually turns out that they have a criminal record from back home too.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
How much longer must we put up with the legal and political system telling the rest of the World we are a bunch of mugs.
the first rule of government is,to protect the people,thay fail to do this all the time,im sure if it was a french judge,he would have ignored the eu rules,and deported them,franch is looking more like a country,that reprisents my values.
If the government does not deal with this then eventually there will be civil war. Already EU nationals account for 15% of the prison population. This costs money - our money - to keep them. Cameron Condem wants to save money - so DEPORT THEM! and tohell with the EU. These people need to be rounded up and deported now. We need to leave the EU NOW and unless the three parties start to govern the British people for the interest of the British people then roll on the civil war. Cameron Miliband and clegg are all subservient to their masters in Brussels. We fought wars to remain self governing and the conservative party took that away from us.
Is this country owned by the EU? It certainly seems that way. Time we took account of the dire situation this country is in, and the politicians did something about it. Nobody from abroad should have the right to live in this country if they are a threat of any kind whatsoever. God only knows, we have enough problems of our own to deal with, without interference from the EU and Blairs human rights laws, which no doubt have benefited his wife very handsomely.
While we remain in the EU it MUST be made mandatory for ALL foreign criminals to be deported with no access to the Human Rights Act. We must, of course, get out of the EU as soon as possible. To that end, as a life-long Conservative voter I intend to vote for the UKIP at the next general election. The UKIP may not get enough seats to form a government, but they sure as hell can get enough seats to hold the balance of power and to scare the **** out of the Lib/Lab/Cons.!! - Norman (UK Taxpayer), Athens, Greece., 29/9/2010 4:50 I'll be voting UKIP and I'm a member of the treacherous Conservative party! Needless to say, I will not be renewing my membership. UKIP will be getting a donation from me. Not sure how much good it'll do though - after all there's no 'get out' clause in the Lisbon Treaty. If the property market ever picks up, I'll be selling and leaving this country - and Europe.
Is this another example of a piece of paper over ruling common sense. So this is a fact, the UK tax payers are being ripped off, the criminals are caught, and yet we cannot deport them. So who runs this country? Who makes the laws? Who is dictating policies to us? I suggest who ever it is and for what reason, we tell this organisation what and when to do with their rulings. Our parents and history did not die in wars defending the UK for bureaucrats and idiots to run our country. When will the peoples and government together with our judiciary get some backbone. The tax British payers and law abiding people have had enough.
Sadly, this lot are small beer. There are some really serious foreign villains active in the UK. In the rare event that they are successfully prosecuted they will serve a short sentence in our luxury jails. As the government and the grovellers at the Home Office are happy to obey EU diktats to the letter, these foreign villains will never be deported and will end up drawing the State pension in the UK. If you donÂ’t believe me, ask any copper, customs officer or immigration officer.
But, Judge, you CAN.................... If you need help, then WE, THE PEOPLE, will deport them FOR you. You only have to ask. NO ONE is strong enough to stop us, not even the Fascist EU.......... Just ASK...............
Absolute rubbish, of course they should be deported.and never allowed back!!......WHY SHOULD WE TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL.
I think what the judge is saying is that he does not have the power himself to deport them. No doubt when their sentences are up the UK Border Agency will step in. They are criminals and can be deported under EU law. Stopping them coming back is another thing altogether!
"They would laugh there socks off in France after reading this story. Can't deport, don't be so stupid....... - Terry Stride, Tamworth Kingdom of Mercia" You are absolutely 'bang on the money'. Only British judges think they can't deport EU citizens.
Ditto to all the above remarks that say that our politicians are too weak to do us justice.
Are EU countries paying the CRIMINALS the air fares to go to the UK Are EU countries paying their ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS the air fares to go to the UK Are EU countries paying their ASYLUM SEEKERS the air fares to go to the UK IF NOT WHY DO SO MANY GET HERE most claim to have no momey when they get here The UK is the poorest country in the EU and the 5th poorest in the world WE SHOULD ASK THE EU FOR AID
I wish the judge had given them all 20yrs each.That way by the time they were released the country might just have a government with a backbone to tell the E.U. parliament were to get off and deport the lot of them. Because as sure as eggs are eggs this coalition are lacking a spine when it comes to matters of E.U.laws. Did,nt Mr Cameron pledge to replace the human rights laws with a british bill of rights.Not only as he reneged on this pledge since jumping into bed with the libdems he is in favour of turkey joining the E.U. cash cow.So there will be a lot more cases like this one and the turkish gangs won.t be put off by a paltry 5yrs in jail.
A test case is more than needed here.These aliens should be deported immediately, without wasting time in our prisons (and then needing re-housing allowances etc.) France, also in the EU the last time I looked, would deal with these people differently. Our judges are obeying the very last letter of the laws, sometimes too much so,to our risk. Are we going to be 'safe' when they remain here? What are their future plans?
Deportation must follow their custodial holiday here, unless we become responsible for all of europes criminal fraternity.
One thing is for certain - the default position on anything that comes out of a politician's mouth is that it is a LIE until events PROVE otherwise!
More reason to get away from the EU this is becoming a joke. If we can't deport them because the are european we should have another way to get rid of them the only one I can think of is for us to leave europe and blockagde the boarders we can then stop giving the EU money as we get nothing back and join countries like Switzerland who don't have to go with the stupid laws that are made in brussels by unelected idiots that are paid far too much and feel they always need to justify their jobs.
They can be declared 'Persona Non Grata' and deported and NEVER let back into this country. Our politicians are just too WEAK and wouldn't say 'Boo' to the EU. What a shower of useless wimbly-wambly wetlegs!
Why can't the judge deport that motley crew? This is our country ,why should we keep those parasites in our jails? They've made enough money out of this country and it's taxpayers. Send them back to where they came from.. Let's rid ourselves of these scrounging, couldn't care less criminals, who don't belong here. This Government need a backbone,tell the EU where to go when it comes to the security and safety of this country.
this is going on up and down the country,and will continue to do so,how can you put people in prison for committing a civil offence? really this is unfair! what needs to be addressed is our benefits system,this is the carrot that encourages these people to the u.k ..get that sorted out and word will get around that this country is,nt a soft touch for handouts!
Ah, yes............. the joys & benefits of........ multiculturalism. Where would we be without it ? Answers on the back of a postage stamp, please.
Come on DC deport them. If under current law this is not possible, introduce a law in Parliament to make it so and tell the EU that Britain will not tolerate criminals whether from Europe or anywhere else. Time to take a stand.
One more good reason to have a referendum on Europe, They should be deported regardless of whether Europe says they can stay or not.
Reading comments over the last few weeks, it would seem that the majority of us want us OUT of the EU - so why dont the politicians listen to us? Maybe they are worried they will fall off the milk-train along with these greedy criminals. Do we have to wait years again before we get to such a drastic state that they finally act? Although as usual, by the time they listen to us, the rot has set in and not a lot can be done. Is there not enough of us here now to make our point of view worth listening to - it would seem not.
And why can't he deport them. I don't understand. They are criminals!
What has happened about the illegal weddings? Have those who used these to stay in the u.k. (and probably get citizenship) been arrested? Surely they should be imprisoned too and, if necessary, have their citizenship revoked and be deported (if at all possible), or are we becoming an 'easy touch' nation!!
He is a British judge sitting in a British court, so he can get them deported after a hard sentence and ignore the EU, they have not been elected to rule OUR country have they ?.
All involved in this affair should indeed be deprted and all their assets seized to pay for police and court costs whether they be the criminals who orgainsed the scam or those who willingly patricipated. Any one so convicted or involved should be guiven a life ban from entering this country again.
CAMERON, BE A MAN, STAND UP FOR OUR ONCE GREAT BRITAIN, GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW. We do not need europe, they are hell bent on trying to destroy us, Are you another appeaser??? Be like Sarkozi get rid of them all, at least he stands up for France.
And yet another reason to get out of the vile stinking EU. Come on Cameron, enough is enough!
There should be an agreement in the EU where all convicted criminals serve their sentence in their own country that way they have effectively been deported and the cost of keeping them in prison falls to their own country, it also makes foreign criminals serve their time in prisons that are a lot tougher than the soft ones we have here, they also want to look at the tariffs for sentencing when dealing with cases like this and double them which would give Murko seven and a half years in a real prison.
Come on Camero be a man and stop hiding behind traitor Brown and have a referendum so that we can get rid of these stupid laws [ I bet there is a proviso in the detested treaty to allow one ]
Some hope of protecting our citizens when a judge cannot make a legal judgement because of EU dictatorship. The UK is dangerously close to civil unrest as EU laws may as well be what Hitler planned for the UK in WW2. How many indicators do Parliament need to address this problem.
Why can't UK ban people for life from the country like USA does? This lot would deffinitely deserve it.
Suck it up folks! Most of you voted for it so frankly you're getting exactly what you deserve. Come next election the nice Mr Cameron, clueless Clegg, and new kid on the soviet bloc, Milliband, will tell you a lot more lies about the EU, crime, and immigration and guess what - you will vote for them again!
EU = Forth Reich - discuss.
"Judge Martin Steiger, sitting at Manchester Crown Court, told him: 'If it was up to me to decide, you would be deported to your home country and never allowed back.'" We all wish you could have done it too Judge
If it were not for Tony B'liars government incorporating the inane Human Rights Act into British law, this country could deport many undesirables. Murders, other criminals, aircraft hijackers, illegal immigrants etc etc, people who should not be here, who have absolutely no right to be here. Sadly we now cannot deport them. B'liar has a lot to answer for!
Deporting would be good. Hanging would be better.
And the reason we can't deport them is ...... ????? Mark their passports "Convicted Criminal", deny them benefits when they are let out and, if they leave, don't let them in again.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious - I put the blame firmly at the feet of YOU, the electorate who keep voting for the same old Lib/Lab/Con! WHEN WILL YOU WAKE UP!
Give it a rest we deport no one.
Time to change the law ,so that all these crooks can be deported. Make it retrospective. We have enough with our own home grown criminals. If the EU does not like it then let it pay all the money that these people are costing the British taxpayer.The government needs to stand up to the EU. Be like the French and only use EU law when it suits us.
Why can't they be deported? They are breaking the law. They may be European but they are not British & it is about time we stopped being a dumping ground for every criminal gang from the East. It is high time the government acted in the best interests of Britain not in the best interests of Europe or it's criminals. We do not need these people here. They are causing mayhem & costing us dear. Make no mistake every one of us is paying for these dreadful people to stay here & have a very nice living without working. Enough is enough. They should be deported now.
Deport them, if France can deport people so can we.The EU is a complete nonsense. Please somebody get us out .
This alone should be reason enough to get out of the EU, but if you give me enough time, I could list about another 100 why Europe gives us nothing, but takes everything. When did agreeing to a 'common market' suddenly become handing over control of our country to unelectable bullies?? How is it that France can taken a tough stance on unemployed Europeans, and rightly boot them back to their country of origin, yet we are told that we cannot restrict benefits to any European who choses to come here to stop the practice of 'benefit shopping'. Why would any Roma stay in Romania where there are no benefits when they can come here? (Clearly none are going to head to France now!) There should be a law decreeing that any European citizen convicted of a crime, should be deported to his country of origin and can be refused entry back to the country where the crime was commited.
Get rid, end off! Why do we have to be so tolerant? It just gets worse!
So this is why my family and I have been paying excessive tax for most of our lives............ Keep em coming, I DO NOT THINK! Pack em off these people just breed trouble.
Obtained National Insurance numbers ,how many "Ghost Workers" are there,more and more need for "FOOL"PROOF Identity Cards.
They will all be entitled to council houses and full UK benefits on leaving prison.
to Anne, Christchurch, NZ I hope that the 'marriages' have been annuled and the bride and groom deported. Love your sense of humour.
The liberals and the EU are a cancer on our society and a barrier to anything which would improve our society including Vince Cables half baked idea not to cap immigration because it would 'harm' the economy, what drivle. They want to scrap our nuclear subs when N Korea and Iran are building theirs up and deny us the use of the new super carriers which would give our island and our troops valuable protection. This issue highlights exactly what is wrong with this country and its got a capital E and a capital U! Put this scum in a crate back to eastern Europe and sod the E U.
Cameron will change nothing. There is nothing he can do. The UK is in the EU. Cameron is not answerable to the people either. His interests lie in business and pleasing the city. He also wants Turkey (as reported in the Daily Mail) to become an EU member. UK OUT of the EU ASAP......
They would laugh there socks off in France after reading this story, Can't deport ,don't be so stupid.......
Of course the judge can deport them, under a European Court of Justice ruling "the health and safety of EU citizens supercedes any treaty obligations." This means criminals from other EU countries can be deported back to their country of origin if they put the citizens of their host country at risk, it supercedes those criminals right to movement within the EU.
Deport them and be dammed, for Gods sake how much more do we have to put up with before stupid politicians realise what is going wrong with this country, mainly due to the EU interfering.
A peasant human being is the cleverest of all animal species.. A politician and his administration associate.....Well, they are something else.. NO CONTEST!!
Only UK law abiding hardworking people should be allowed to live in Great Britain. Criminals should be deported,
its time we came out of the EU and sent all these people home no matter where they come from, we dont need these people cameron listen to the people for a change bring our troops home and close our borders do what the french have the guts to do, stand up for the british for a change
For pete's sake, just throw them out! Come on Cameron, grow a pair!
The immigration system here gives an open door to every kind of corrupt fraudster who comes for the benefits and then operates massive money frauds.They're from everywhere...WHEN WILL IT STOP...What law says we have to accept criminals ?? Also anyone who gets in even legally should be deported as soon as they commit any crime...no rights,no loopholes,no appeals. etc..JUST THROW THEM OUT ON THE NEXT FLIGHT/BOAT.....The govement just seems to ignore this huge problem.....dopey Vince Cable even says there's no need for a cap on immigration !!!! I rest my case....WAKE UP CAMERON,.....
The UK is the worlds biggest laughing stock, I can confirm that from Asia, where I spend most of my time. You havn,t a hope in hell that Cameron and Boy Blunder will do anything about this kind of thing,
While we remain in the EU it MUST be made mandatory for ALL foreign criminals to be deported with no access to the Human Rights Act. We must, of course, get out of the EU as soon as possible. To that end, as a life-long Conservative voter I intend to vote for the UKIP at the next general election. The UKIP may not get enough seats to form a government, but they sure as hell can get enough seats to hold the balance of power and to scare the **** out of the Lib/Lab/Cons.!!
Come on Cameron, make it possible for this scum to be deported, we don't want any foreign criminals allowed into or stay in our country. We the people gave you the opportunity to become the PM to look after our interests, now start doing it.
So surely in the event of security, we should be able to say who we want in the UK or are we really that weak and pathetic that our politburo bends down to Brussels. Sarkozy you are wanted here.
Immigration is good for the country says Vince cable explain this away.Camerooon said he would cap it no sign of that so far.
In the final event if he could have been deported it would make no difference. He would have been back in this land of milk and honey in no time at all. With a succession of gutless governments don't expect change in your lifetimes. Glad to say I have seen the best of it. Am now observing the rapid downward spiral of life in Britain
Perhaps its time to give the courts the power to deport theses criminals as the Politicians havenÂ’t got the guts to do it. But then I am sure the bleeding hearts would say its against their human rights. If I still lived in Britain I move to France as they seem to have got the right idea. I hope immigration are making a serious effort to track theses brides and grooms down to immediately deport them, as they have committed a crime within the U.K.
Excuse me, but why can't they be deported? Any other country would send this scum packing so why don't we ? But no, we have to put them in prison and the taxpayer has to fork out for their food and lodgings. - Sue V, Hextable, Kent, UK, 28/9/2010 22:17 Unfortunately Sue, the UK isn't the only Country that fails to deport criminal immigrants, and illegals. The USA has approximately 13 million illegal immigrants, many of which receive welfare benefits, pay no taxes, are a drain on the US taxpayers. Those that commit crimes are either sent to jail, or get lenient sentences, or just never brought to justice. Australia does much the same, it seems there are no politicians anymore that have the gumption to apply the law and deport these types that have no intention of integrating into our societies and abiding by the laws of the land they come to live in.
No British Government, has ever been given the Consent of The British People, either to join the EU, or to import millions of Foreign Nationals!
Something's wrong when the US can refuse to allow a teenager to ever even ENTER their country for sending a rude email to their president, yet someone can come along and commit serious crimes in our country and still be allowed to live here when it's not their birth country. What is going on there??? I'm betting other countries like the US are laughing their ass off at us and the way our immigration/border controls work. I would be, but given I'm living here the only way I could laugh would be in sheer despair.
I hope that the 'marriages' have been annuled and the bride and groom deported.
I'm sure most of the population think the same, so why can't the laws be changed?
this are the fools that make genuine couples go through hell. i hope they get more for bad behaviour in prison
Once upon a time, in the days of real British justice and immigration rules, immigrants were welcomed to the UK. They showed that they were willing to work hard, integrate, be law abiding citizens, learn the language, settle here and contribute to the British economy. Those were the real hard workers who kept their heads down and adapted to the British way of life. If a lot of immigrants being accepted today by the UK are corrupt troublemakers like the above who serve no purpose to our country and are in fact a drain on our economy, why isn't there anyone in government with the backbone to put a stop to these people once and for all?
I doubt it very much
Excuse me, but why can't they be deported? Any other country would send this scum packing so why don't we ? But no, we have to put them in prison and the taxpayer has to fork out for their food and lodgings.
He does have the right to recommend deportations, irrespective of their native country.. Obviously this judge does not understand the law.
My understanding of the EU free movement laws is that they allow free movement within the EU but a country may expel an individual if they commit a serious crime - unless I am wrong the UK can expel them and mark them up as undesirables... after all the UK does still have border controls!
If we cannot deport these convicted foreigners I have to ask why not ? Its seems to me we are no longer in control of our own frontiers. Its time to stop this lunacy and give us the right to vote on wether we wish to stay or leave the EU and take our own affairs in hand
What a wretched mess we're in with this EU lark. Time we got out now.
The French would kick them out - and keep them out.
And Judge Martin Steiger, sitting at Manchester Crown Court, told him: 'If it was up to me to decide, you would be deported to your home country and never allowed back.' So just do it - it's what the public wants, forget the lousy govt's who keep letting them stay. We want rid and are the only ones who really count. We pay for it all.
kick them out ... like us all we live in home and pay taxes !!!! if they want to live in streets then they are welcome to go to where they come from , here it's NOT the way we live !!!! weak gouvernment .................
They're not daft. If they wait there long enough they'll be housed. I'm sure most countries would bundle them in the back of a car and MAKE SURE they were on the plane back. It's so sad we have to show such little compassion to our fellow human beings however these memorials are of huge importance to us Brits and don't want them desecrated. These people are a nuisance. They were begging at the Notre Dame in Paris when I was there. You have to watch your bags and pockets. I don't know anyone that would give a penny to them. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse. May I just add, the huge majority of Polish people who reside here work like dogs, are hugely bright and well spoken and are a credit to their home nation. Don't tar all Eastern Europeans with the same brush.
This is bloody disrespectful and it offends me. Its about time the Uk maned up and told these people to bugger off,. If they have no money or no where to live and no job then they dont come here. I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Lol at people blaming the Tories, this is labours doing if you remember rightly !
one way ticket
Enough is enough our small island can't take anymore, we are stretched to the limits, the NHS, schools, housing and employment. We are a laughing stock it must stop now!!!!
Instead of the DM constantly stirring this pot - and other similar pots - why doesn't it actually DO something about it. Start a campaign, hassle MPs whatever. Or would that be too much to expect?
If you say you don't want them here you're racist and if you try and send them back there's do-gooders who'll jump up and down shouting and fund legal support that'll drag on for years and cost this country a fortune.......while our own less well off are struggling to make ends meet.
All the people say give them a home.How about you let them live with you and you can pay for them if your so soft hearted and thats the problem sorted.Hmmm the silence would indicate a big no.Hypocrites
this makes me proud to be british..........
No other country would put up with this!
They are waiting for benefits and housing.
Poor Matthias. Imagine what life these people had back home that makes sleeping rough seem like a good alternative.
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus. - Ron, Birmingham, 6/9/2013 13:42 --------- Homeless people do not get benefits, due to them not having any fixed address.
A government with no backbone = A country left to self destruction. They just don't get it. The British people are sick and tired of our country being used as the dumping ground for the rest of the world. We are the ONLY EU country that tolerates anything and everything.
GO HOME!!!!
Easy touch England. Nothing Great in Great Britain anymore. So sad.
It's too late to moan about it, they're here. The more educated have been warning about this for years and yet the British electorate kept voting in the same old way. And guess what, there are a load more coming soon. If you don't like it, vote for one of the parties who will stop it, otherwise stop grumbling like a bunch of old women. There are people out there that could stop this, either join them, or live with it. Because quite frankly just bleating on about it, with solve nothing.
Instead of wasting money on imperialistic buildings, that should be spent on housing. Govt wrong again...build affordable housing. Especially in parks of london.....result would be few homeless and reduced house prices!!!!
errr if I dropped a sweet wrapper I might face a hefty fine....
"immigrants were offered free flights back to their home country" I'm sorry but there is no choice in this....force them on a plane and be done with it! If you're here illeaglly you should be chucked out!
One word is all that is needed - - UKIP !
Clean this country up Mr Cameron and get rid of all the rubbish.
Disgusting. They shouldn't be given a choice. Just send them home
Only a matter of time before they are sleeping on the back Benche's at the House of Commons ! Chortle Chortle Chortle
there's me thinking that they come here get a load of benefits straight away and a nice council house. strange way to live if that's true
If they are so obviously sleeping and living in these spots, then where are the immigration department? Why have they not swooped in whilst they were sleeping and taken them to a holding area and sent back to their own country with a red arrow on every computer system that will stop them from returning. It's hardly rocket science and yet immigration seem unable to comprehend even the simplest of actions.
why do we not charge them (there are many statutes that can be used if the authorities had the guts), get them convicted in all-night sittings in magistrates courts, put them all on a bus, take them across the channel and drop them off? Oh and take their full details AND fingerprint them so that if they are caught again or try and get in the Border Agency will be able to deal with them - which they cannot at the moment!! Any clothing left lying about is an offence under the litter acts - so pick it all up and burn it - no ifs or buts! The well funded pity-me industry will no doubt use the HRA to try and stop it - but since we are not doing anything other than giving them a free trip back to france - tell me what is inhuman about that! PS Fully agree with most of the above too!
Welcome to cameroons uk.He does nothing about it ,but wants to attack Syria,putin is on the mark,nobody but immigramnts is bothered about Britain.
I watch from afar and I shiver !...............
What an awful mess this country is in.
edward heath started this when he RAMMED the uk into the common market (EU) tony and gordon made things worse dave WILL NOT TACKLE THE PROBLEM only U K I P will vote how you will but think of your children and granchildren
UKIPS not the answer..can they gaurantee they will stop imigration,read their manifesto first.
"Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house,- Dave , Alicante Spain" - Er this is why the bedroom tax was introduced and why our young people are no longer being given social housing, so the Lib-Lab-Con can give the housing to them!
pick them up and send them back to where they came from. Don't give them a chance to shout HUMAN RIGHTS. This country is going down the pan fast.
ship 'em back
The various local fire services need extra training exercises and should conduct them at those sites which are in danger of damage from careless fires started inadvertantly by unauthorised occupants. Thus, the fire services should 'damp down' these sites, preferably at dusk and dawn, to minimise the risk of fires breaking out.
Where is the compassion?? These people are homeless , they sleep on the streets. How is that OK in any circumstance. You wouldn't let your dog sleep out in the street so why is it OK for these people??
Time to send in the forty per cent of police not investigating crimes, to round them up and ship them out!
Ian, London. its not only the middle class who work. not everyone working class have 10 children and do not work. ignorant
I'm hoping for a harsh winter
Why don't they go home the UK is a third world country now,they are better of back home.
You should not get access to this country if you don't have a job to go to, or a job that can support you.. go home !!!!
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion. Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:22 ++++++Excuse me but I USED to have compassion but enough is enough and I have been driven to this by seeing my own nation being ground down. And Nadya I bet there are thousands and thousands who have had to go down the same route,
Nadya, Canvey Island. If you feel so sorry for them, let them into your garden and clear up the said mess the next day..It is one thing to have nowhere to sleep but another to leave litter and disrepect behind .
@Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom I guess from your name you're also from this neck of the woods otherwise you wouldn't have such a big heart? The UK, or any other country, is not a dumping ground for people without the means to support themselves or
get them arrested and deported...forget human rights and the EUSSR, simple.
Xenophobe much? no? what would you call this?
Get them ALL on a boat and back across the channel NOW but sadly they won't prob. get a house soon !!!!!
I would like to officially thanks Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for everything they did for this country.
Chuck them all out, we have no room. They are NOT adding anything to the country, they are taking it away.
The only people let in should be tourists, business visitors, those visiting family and those who are relocating to work. We have a major problem in housing our own homeless without importing them.
No good deed goes unpunished!
Where are all the human rights crowd who I thought they would be helping these people and maybe clearing up the mess they make. No to busy talking about it rather than becoming involved with the dirty end of the stick, whilst nice and warm in their nice house's. It is their fault we are in such a state in the UK.
Isn't the E.U. wonderful. Much more Europe please.
My wife is Bangladeshi and she studied and worked 5 years in London. At the end she returned to Bangladesh because the Cameron government made it almost impossible for educated and hard working tax paying non-European (!) people to stay and work in the UK (my wife NEVER asked for benefits). But at the same government welcomes lazy drug using rubbish from Eastern Europe to disturb the common people, spoil the system and plunder the UK. Good luck UK!
Asylum, Immigration...........where we were once so tolerantnd welcoming now we are just plain p'd off and exploited! Vote UKIP and stop the insanity destroying our country!
Ms May has been too busy targeting and destroying the family lives of respectable hard working tax paying British citizens and families with a non EEA spouse by denying them a UK visa. Which she doesn't do with EEA nationals. If Ms May got her priorities right and tackled the real immigration problems this would not happen!
If they are immigrants without jobs or homes then the best thing is to send them back to their own countries. Aid money we spend abroad should be diverted to this, also deporting illegal immigrants. However, the issue of rough sleepers in London is a difficult one. I used to work in a gallery on the Bankside a few years ago and we used to find rough sleepers outside the front doors in the morning. The front of house manager was very kind and used to give them coffee and biscuits, but he would also tell them they had to pack up and leave. At that point most galleries were charging entrance fees, so we would have had no visitors and would have lost about 10k in vital revenue. Telling people to go made us feel awful though.
And that's why I moved to Australia!- Shaz , New Zealand, 06/9/2013 13:17 --------- don't you mean New Zealand?
just please vote UKIP! ...all three other parties,& they really do not care! Calcined Bauxite ,13:22------ Agree with most of your comment EXCEPT for the Ukip bit. Do you think they are any better than this lot? They are politicians after all. Next time you see the UKip candidate - ask how long it will take to come out of the EU (for which I am 100% in favour). They will NOT mention about "SEVEN YEARS"!!
just tourist coming to see the royals.
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!! - Bob, Redditch Bangkok, 6/9/2013 11:30------------------------------------------hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!! my word, how EMBARRASSING!!!i'm cringing for you!
And immigration is still classed as good for the economy.How can it be good,when we have this problem
What the heck! Kick them back to where they came from - sod PC.
Captain Steve- arrest them and then what? Put them in our warm jails where they are fed and watered with our tax payers money?
put them on a bus to Tony Blair's house or any of the old Libour cabinet, this is what they all planed. Not Fit to govern, ever. Come on down UKIP
How about a reminder that basically, what these people are is POOR??? Nobody sleeps on the streets because they choose to! Does it disturb you to see poverty when you have your latte macchiato in the morning? Is it ruining your mood? Sure, it's better to see pretty flowers then hungry homeless people. And on top of everything, they are not even British! I mean, we could somehow tolerate the poor if they are British. But foreign poverty? That is really not acceptable. What if you would lose all your material possessions tomorrow and people would be disgusted at you because you sleep on the street, what would you do? Run after them and say, no, don't hate me, I am British not eastern European?
Any immigrant with no job, place to stay or enough money to support themselves should be turned around at point of entry and deported. We have enough benefit scroungers that would rather live on benefits than work,
Blame the bankers
Why do we struggle in stopping these people from coming here..we live on an island!!!
Good grief! its publicised and nothing is done. Get them out!
Just move in some armed guards and dogs and that should do the trick.
Thank the politicians and the Human Rights Bill for the mess this country is in. Have you noticed that it never affects the people who have created the mess.
so take and incinerate any 'rubbish' they find hidden in bushes and at night get the pressure hoses out to 'water' the gardens.
Get rid - problem solved. Vote UKIP.
Meanwhile Cameron is in Russia telling everyone what a wonderful country Britain is.
Well it's only set to get worse. But don't worry according to our politicians we need them, what for I do not know but they are good for industry apparently.
It's time to close the doors to our once great nation!
My beautiful country as I knew it is no longer we fought off the Germans in the last world war so we could live in peace only to be let down by our own successive governments my god my for fathers would be turning over in there graves if they were able to witness the fiasco in theses troubled times and those that sacrificed there lives would be wondering what on earth for.?
And Cameron's more worried about what's happening in other countries than his own...Tories OUT!
Shouldn't there be a export trade in this to the Eastern European nations whose property they are.
Third World UK and being sold out by every greedy politician with their hands in the till.
Surely it is against human rights to take their crack pipe of them Tut Tut
Roll on winter.
so many gave there lives for this country if only they could see it now, they would think why did I bother.
IF they dont accept the free ticket home from the UK taxpayers.... send em to russia to sleep on the streets..
Why do we tolerate this? - Angered , Manchester, 06/9/2013 13:17---------- Because we are fooled into thinking we live in a democracy...but we dont...
If this is what happens when it is illegal for them to stay, what does anyone think will happen when we can't keep them out?
The idea that people can move freely around the EU is a good one, but I'm sure it was meant to benefit the countries involved, not end up leaving them being a dumping ground for all sorts of people. My friend in China, who could, given the opportunity teach Chinese, or even maths in England, will have to jump through so many hoops to be able to remain here. The criteria to be allowed to stay in this country should apply to everyone from whatever country they come from. That way we can control who enters
I've stayed a while in the uk for my studies... it deeply saddens me to see such foreigners misbehaving on, well, foreign turf. It's a great country if not for all these trash!
SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE! ..... - nr , wigan, 06/9/2013 13:23............In case you hadn't noticed, the rot started when Dave was still in short pants.
THANKYOU TONY BLAIR
Tony and Cherie Blair have lots of open spaces in their various properties, try camping out there. But on a serious note, this is the changing face of Britain, instigated by Labour and the Europhiles, nothing will change for the better until we ditch the corrupt EU and it's unelected stooges along with those MPs who would take us into a FEDERAL EUROPE.
Dave - you must get your priorities right and get things sorted at home.. These rumblings of discontent are getting louder by the minute.
if the law of this country dont do nothing about it, then dont moan about it, after all we let them in to run riot so only one person to blame, these foke have no money no job no home, WHY ARE THEY HERE
The answer to all this is simple ,give us our referendum on our continued membership of the EU now,be,fore we are completely taken over For once Cameron listen to the people instead of surrendering us to Europe.
Beautiful London is now the pits.
we have got the same in France.....
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 12:55 They probably were the Westminster Council litter people. It has all been privatised and they now impose fines for littering, so they have got us both ways, no where to place litter, no one to clear up and we then get fined!
CAMERON you gutless muppet. Kick them out
Cleaning up used condoms and human excrement - just about says it all. How much lower can this Country sink ?
I, along with everyone else, am fed up with immigrants but, I get angry when Brits keep blaming Cameron for what's happening! It was Blair that originally opened the flood gates so that he would get the votes and, it was Brown, who then sold us out by signing the EU treaty. I agree that we need to cut the amount of money sent in foreign aid but, in this country, Cameron can do nothing at the moment, and frankly, UKIP if they ever get in, may try and halt future immigration but, I can't see them being able to change the damage already done by Labour, either! Just remember at the next election that votes for UKIP may make you feel better but, I seriously don't think they would get the leadership and, you will just be strengthening Labour's hand again!!
I blame Blair and Brown - they started this process. In the history of or geat counrty, have any other two individuals done more damage?!
Send them home, whatever the consequences. Immigrants like them cannot contribute to our society!!
Send them back to the EUROPEAN country that they came from, no human rights issues, no wars going on therefore no reason to put up with them !!
Water cannon should clear the detritus, try it!
The Gov has to get real and close, or get control, of the UK borders. The police should go in and round them up and then we should depot them. They are bringing nothing to the UK.
at least without an address they cant claim benefits - Ian Edwards, nottingham, United Kingdom, 06/09/2013 12:23 Lovely to see your readers are as compassionate as ever! These people aren't using heroin (unlike the 'usual' residents) aren't causing aggro and are just trying to better themselves - unlike a lot of 'natives' Why not look on the bright side, Mr Edwards - at least they're using condoms, so there won't be many damned single mothers or child benefit claimants... Oh I forgot, we already have millions of those!
THEY SHOULD GO TO CARLTON TERRACE AND SET UP CAMP ON ALL BLAIRS OTHER PROPERTIES, TO SEE WHAT HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY HOPING HIS DREAM OF BEING PRESIDENT OF EUROPE WOULD BE HIS PRIZE.
This is disgusting. Take them to their embassy and get them to sort out their own people.
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes. - Johnny260 , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:19------------------------------------------------------------------- What a load of tosh name one country a British person can walk into and be given a free home, why dont you take some into your house as you are so generous.
THANK YOU LABOUR ANYONE MOANING JUST REMEMBER WHO CAUSED THIS AND VOTE UKIP
They'll be joined by plenty of homeless Brits in the coming months. Thanks, IDS!
Get them out now. Lets stop this now because we will start having to look at dodgy ugly shanty towns.
Disgusting blight on all of our lives, to be honest I'm struggling to think of what they can contribute to our economy.....nope still nothing. No job with paid contributions, no home, no English = no room here I'm afraid. At the end of the day this is costing us tax payers money cleaning up the mess they leave and having to send the police in to move them on frankly I'd rather public monies are directed to a more positive use.
Because, like many people who come to this country, they don't care about our way of life, our traditions, our history, or what we hold dear. They just want money, money, money and we give, give, give!
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to **************. strangely enough you do, but for some reason Britain don't follow their own rules ???
taking the place of british vagrants who will not doss down there? well done tony gordon and dave look what you have not done
tHIS IS A RESULT OF VOTING LABOUR FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEN HOME
I would love to see them pitch up at the Blairs residence and leave their filth for them to rot in!!
welcome to dog-hole britain........
Have you seen that programme ,,, the UK BORDER AGENCY ......it makes me laugh , its the best comedy ever written......and their staff are the best comedians ever produced,
I know the police are raiding and moving them on quickly - but they are only moving them onto another spot, so it's just a vicious circle. If they have no home, they can't get a job, if they can't get a job they have no money, if they have no money they turn to crime to survive.
If this is your definition of Eastern-Europeans, I suppose the Brits are all loud, uneducated, disrespectful, misbehaving, drunken lager-louts who happily throw their hotel furniture out of their window - as we see them here, in Eastern Europe.
'If they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to, some guys get angry.' ============================== They get angry if you move their sleeping bags ? ! What do they think this is - claim staking Klondike or what ?
Maybe Dave can stick it right up Putin and show these pictures as an example of current British success and why he should be taken seriously.
Labour's new voter base.
A disgrace. That people are sleeping rough irrespective of where they choose to sleep
Kick them all out and deal with EU reaction Later. It will be years of talk or hot air.
This is the European Union for you!!! Or once great Country!!!!! Patricia, Romsey
Get them out!
Catch them. Deport them. No appeals No Lawyers. No problem.
Why can't they be left alone?! - Tandoori Nights , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:17 ............... So you wouldn't mind getting up one morning to find them camped in your front garden, then, complete with detritus and human waste?
Hopefully they'll all disappear off home come autumn when it starts raining constantly and turns really cold. Not sure they're going to be happy sleeping in a soaking wet sleeping bag. No doubt they'll become ill and then will be using up NHS resources.....
I've just returned from the clean, optimistic, city of Chicago. I'm ashamed of this dumping ground that is the UK. UKIP is the only answer to our burgeoning problems.
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain? - BayouLimey , Baton Rouge, United States, 06/9/2013 13:18 Because we're part of the EU! If were independent like the USA we could refuse them entry!
Send your thanks to people to continually vote LibLabCON and fail to understand the word 'democracy'.
If they have nowhere to stay - pass a law or do whatever is necessary to order them to go back whence they came, finger printing them when they came to the UK would have helped but I understand this isn't being done- why?
Yet again another reason not to vote for Cameron. UKIP is our last and only hope. Cameron will promise to act but every promise he made has been broken.
Bloody well kick them out. What is wrong with us. We're a "little island" quote, unquote. Leave whatever political groups we are in as a nation that says we have to "cow Tao" and start again before its too late.
The coat on the hook is cute.
At around eight o'clock the group packed up their sleeping bags and blankets and stashed them in bushes that lie directly in front of the museum............................if they stash their sleeping bags and blankets during the day why not just burn them........
Blair's Britain...!! The free dustbin of the world at tax payers expense!
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus.
You can thank ALL the left wing hand wringers for this mess, if this is what social cohesion and tolerance is all about, then I want none of it............UKIP your time is NOW!
Why are they letting in people with no jobs, money or accommodation? Can you imagine going to America like this - you would never ever be allowed in.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:55 - KEN YOU'RE COMMENT MADE MY DAY, I LAUGHED, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
They look rather clean and tidy to me.....DM can't help winding up its readers who by chance fall for this BS every time...well the gullible ones do.....
Chill, they'll leave soon, as soon as their nice new council houses have been refurbished and the benefits they've claimed start pouring in they'll be out of the way.
Round em up and stick them on the ferry
Next it will be Buckingham Palace,
Referendum on the EU rather than scrabbling to send bombs into Syria David Cameron???
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all. Thank you TW London Good to show we are all in this together you really make me want to stay in the United Kingdom...FREEDOM....
Wow! Well for all of you in your cosy little lives not being forced to seek better circumstances. All they need now is for for shallow selfish people to mock them and claim the ground they sleep on. I find this incredibly sad. I doubt any will say they chose to end up like this!
They can't even build up or improve their 'own' country - what use are they to ours?.
If they are out of work with no where to go, how did they end up in Britain???? Go home!
Kick them out.
How is this allowed??
Reduce the numbers in both Houses of Parliament and double our Border Control staff
Isn't it about time we had the bottle to sent them back where they came from if they cant support themselves, we don't here of Brits doing this in their country
Eagle eyes, London 13.08 Yes, you would think Cameron would use common sense and do that, yet he must abide by EU Dictatorship rules of allowing free entry into UK to ALL from other EU countries. The only time we can get rid of any of them is if they are wanted under an arrest warrant, then they can be deported. Otherwise they can remain here for ever, but Cameron will not be telling the public that.. UKIP ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL END THIS MADNESS AND TAKE BACK CONTROL.
And they said it wouldn't happen. Never mind, our Liberal coalition partners must have a plan in place. That's why we voted them in.
Doubt they would stick around if the police moved in and had the Fire Brigade hose them down regularly. If they cry, 'Human Rights', escort them to the airport or docks and ship them out.
The people are slowly waking up ! even in America they are questioning their leaders . I am too old now to make a physical stand ( did that in the 1960's ) so I am now bombarding my MP and the Government with e mails . Even if they don't read them in person, we know a big doughnut in Cheltenham that will be reading them , SHUT our BORDERS once and for all , we can look after our own country thank you very much , we do not need 500,000 immigrants every year , we have many young people to do the work . AND MR CAMERON , if they will not work , then they should starve . THERE never was and never will be a free lunch !
SHUT THE DAMN DOOR! is this what b-LIAR meant by immigrants benefitting our country, it seams that immigrants are the only ones who 'benefit' from this disgusting dumping ground the eu and it's rules and our duplicitous government have turned OUR country into. France threw these people out if only we had some patriotic adults in government we could do the same. VOTE UKIP.
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron? ----- Marg, Melbourne, 6/9/2013 12:49 ----------------Cameron may not have done a lot to correct it but it was Blair and Brown who deliberately messed up by "rubbing the right wing's nose in it " -their words.
Only the Daily Mail could care more about a monument than the fact that people are homeless.
If we stopped giving unwarranted and thankless financial aid to countries like India/Pakistan to nurture their space programs we would be in a better financial situation to just round up this scum and send them packing PRONTO.
This country lets anybody in, come on over lads - Britain is an open house.
I went on a Chiltern train from Birmingham to London 2 weeks ago with my sister who is nearly eighty and visiting me from Australia, the train was full of people speaking their own language and lots of small children taking up many seats as we stood There was food all over the tables and floor and I felt embarrassed that a train that in the passed was a delight to go on was like a third world transport My sister was horrified and did not feel well after such an unpleasant journey and was pleased to be traveling back to Australia
its now that europe could/should work - if we stand fast with france and germany we would have so much more weight in the world - the 3 countries make an economic superpower and britian-france makes a military superpower - yes i know, red arrows, cos you don't like forigners !
Go home. We have no homes for you, no jobs for you, no place for you...we do not want you. Go home....sorry if that sounds too 'right wing' for some, but time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're a busted flush for those already here: total national debt, current and expected, matching that of the Weimar Republic. We're on borrowed time with our NHS, welfare and pensions. There IS no room at the inn. When the proverbial does hit the fan - and it will in the not too distant future, with debt projected to double within five years - we're all done for, both the drivers and the passengers. Sorry, but open arms are a luxury we can no longer afford. The gates are closed, the doors bolted: find another mug. We've been haemorrhaging money for almost a hundred years through this misguided notion of the 'welfare state' - it's bad enough being bled by our own: you will bleed us no more. Go. Home.
Damned if you help them guilty if you don't.
Does any politican care about this country and the people that pay their salaries and tax. This should be top priority clear them out never mind their human rights, anyone with any decency would do this to monuments and the like. Needs to be sorted as soon as they arrive no good six months down the line when they are fully settled in.
Terrible. They should be housed in a taxpayer funded house for the time being...
If you want to stop this then get out and vote in 2015. Dave and his dog will never grow a pair and will continue to let anyone in.
Employ men to patrol parks and turf this riff-raff out as soon as they settle down. If this type of behaviour is allowed to continue, things are going to get very ugly in the near future. The British are a patient people, but they will only put up with so much. That "so much" is very close now.
How is it right that a country cannot prevent vagrants, beggars and the mentally deranged from entering our nation to ruin it? Oh, it's called the EU. Ofcourse Romania and Bulgaria want to join, it's a win win situation for them and lose lose for us. As usual! Sick to the back teeth of it.
Ruins everything that Britain once stood for... but that's alright Cameron, you just deal with Syria... Because that's OUR! biggest problem at the moment... Oh wait.
dont worry esstern europeans just try get use to the weather not long left until you can stay forever! and u ll be staying at richest areas in london meanwhile im buying my parents a property in another country
Why are our politicians so gutless?if there isn't a law against vagrancy,stop dithering and damn well pass one
They must be better off in their own country than here living like that!
Reason 8 billion to vote ukip
Okay so there is dog poo, used condoms and a crack pipe found in a Public space. How is this tied to Eastern Europeans, I don't get it ? Are we saying they all brought their dogs with them and get enough money off the social to but crack with ?
Your comments:no worries, they gonna be there only for 3 months after that they entitled to start claiming benefits :-)
Outrageous - deport them all!
After the vote against military action in Syria our leading political leaders said the UK must consider its position as a WORLD POWER. Yet we can't even control these immigrant vagrants. But our Parliament could rush through the gay marriage bill. Nothing like getting your priorities right is there Dave?
These people who comment about DM readers not being compassionate. Well just remember we DM readers are part of the majority of Middle Class England who have to pay for this mess. Not you. And also remember if the majority think this way then maybe you could be wrong in your views. Easy to be an idealist goody goody 2 shoes isn't it. I mean I would like everyone to have money and nice houses etc. and no starvation or wars in the world but it's never going to happen is it and people like you are part of the reason it won't.
round 'em up and ship 'em out
Won't affect the politicians who live behind their iron gates and travel in their chauffeur driven cars! Sorry guys. you will just have to put up with it!
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership!, things will only get worse till we get OUT!.
It's long past time to ask: WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO YOUR SPINE, BRITAIN?
How come they are allowed in the country without a job, accomadation sorted, and money. Oh and isn't it wonderful this open border system. They are flooding in their droves from Britain for a better life to places like Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, who incidentley can't do enough for us over there.
We are now an international joke....
Something should be done, but nothing will be done, as long as we are members of the EU there is only one answer _ Vote UKIP in next year's EU elections and let the LIBLABCON know what you want with only UKIP MEPs representing Britain in the EU parliament next year .
My parent come to visit me as I work here. I feel really embarrassing when they saw many homeless people sleep in such a lovely spot! That not what they imagine about UK!!
Absolutely astonishing that the UK is one of the richest nations in the world, yet we allow homeless migrants fowling our streets without batting an eyelid, it's about time Theresa May listened to the electorate and sorted our borders, immigration and many other issues, this country cannot cope with the mass influx of migrants and the migrant baby boom, we as a nation are being placed on the back burner by our own politicians and are bowing down to every nationality which walks into this country, wake up England and sort it out.
The Imperial War Museum...commemorating all those who fought and died to keep this a proud country, safe from foreign invasion...until politicians sold us all down the river.
The government don't seem interested, this country is ruined
Me here London 12.07 Dont show your ignorance there is hardly a cashpoint up here even in remotest Highlands that has not been scammed.WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY HAVE STOPPED IN london.GET OUT MORE !
So they are homeless and smoking crack in the UK. Could a government official tell which one of their immigration checks these people passed. If they didnt we all know where they are, send them home. It is so simple.
Thank you Tony Blair, for screwing up our country.
They would be cleaned out from Downing Street pretty quick!
at least without an address they cant claim benefits
We all welcome you greatly with open arms to this glorious nation. now entering is more easy.
They do have a home just not in this country
Australia's got it right, you have money in the bank and a trade before they even CONSIDER letting you in! - SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE!
Close the gates... We are full!
Should be easy to resolve this problem. I assume the land is private, not public property. If so, arrest these people for trespass. If it is public land then arrest them for littering. Either was, the law has been broken and to ignore this is just a form of discrimination against the British people. Captain Steve
Being balanced, it doesn't matter whether they're Afghans, Somalians, Polish, Latvian, Romanian, etc. ALL people since the dawn of time have migrated to improve their lot, better their lives, live off the fat of other lands. I don't blame these people. However, when our economy is messed up, the nation in debt, jobs are scarce in many cities, shouldn't we use common sense. No job after a certain period & you go home. Same should apply to British migrants in other countries. Current situation is ridiculous.
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion.
Coming to a park or spare bit of land near you and me most likely.
It is just stating the bleeding obvious! that's what you get when groups of people "doss together! fed up of reading about it!! just please vote UKIP! its disgusting! Sticks in the throat to say it ! but what a bloody mess this country is in & there are people responsible for it! & started 25yrs ago to the present lying conniving lot!! yes all three other parties,& they really do not care! never will care! & the scams that they are up to at the moment is amazing!because of UKIP! that is what holds their attention! so expect another one of the three parties to pop their heads above the parapet & promise something about sorting that mess out!! but you know they will not!!
Immigrants were "offered" free flights home? They should be rounded up and ordered onto flights home. Instead of the government wasting millions on high speed trains, failed technology in the NHS etc and spend the money on border controls and port security to cut down on illegal I am sure anybody, whatever their political persuasion would approve.
Oh the joys of being controlled by the EU
Bring back the "normal" British summer and they'll be washed away in no time :)
SEND THEM HOME! WE'RE FULL!!
There is no great in Great Britain any longer thanks to all these rich so called educated politicians. They have systematically destroyed our once wonderful country!!
Let me run the country I would have it cleaned up within 6 months, the EU wouldn't like it though!
We should house these people ASAP. It wouldn't take much for them to join an already diverse English culture. it' s not that we would notice any significant change.
What happened to being vetted before entering a country?
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates. - Candy, UK, 6/9/2013 12:18............No chance of that happening Candy. What do you think those big gates and policemen are there for? Good lord, we cant have riff-raff and peasants bothering Mr Cameron and his friends while they are trying to enjoy a nice tax payer funded luncheon, and discussing the next part of the EU plan to reduce this once great country of ours into a dumping ground for Europe's unwanted and undesirables.
Stuff the eu send them home
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain?
Why do we let these people in? They are of no benefit to the UK.
Why do we tolerate this?
Deport them...good for nothing and a drain on resources let Poland deal with their own!!
And that's why I moved to Australia!
Why can't they be left alone?!
And it's only going to get worse after next year. Much worse. Cameron needs to get Britain out of the EU NOW. Ah, why bother? Britain has been given away long ago.
Just keep phoning the police till the system crashes then the government wil have to do something If not our country will be no better than theirs
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this. - RogerdeCourcyJones Me and the girls from the office - Jenny and Sarah - think you are COMPLETELY missing the point, son!
If they have no where to live, no form of income and are sleeping on the streets, surely its a matter of 'get out of our country', not please would you mind leaving, please pretty please, errrrrrr we will even pay. Welcome to the eu. We are very quickly becoming the toilet of Europe. Cameron, stop pouncing about with idiots like Obama and come back and sort this out. The people would respect you one hell of a lot more!
What the hell is happening to our once great country?
Donna.....you say your 100!% English Lol. Your actually a mixed mongrel made up of Roman , German , French , Danish etc etc etc that applies to all the English me included We can even be traced back to marsh Arabs ! We ENGLISH are one of the most mixed races on the planet
Disgusting! Flagrant disregard for the message of peace and the memorial to those who gave their lives.
When are the government going to say enough is enough. As long as Mr Cameron is in charge NEVER which is why i will be voting UKIP. We need to pull out of the EU simple. Why dont the governent live beside all this and see what its really like. All their rubbish everywhere. We need to be like Australia they will only let you in if you have so much money, a trade and under 45 yrs old.
They wouldn't get away with it in any other country. My god the UK is in a ridculous mess (literally!).
I am unable to understand why we cannot solve this minor issue the people who run this country are useless and spineless collect them all up put them on a bus take them to Brussels throw them off tell the EU you made the problem you deal with it. I am confident the hard working people of this country would not lose one nights sleep.perhaps we would probably give the person who gave order a job as a poliitician.
More should be done to stop this behaviour. Maybe they should get the cleaners/groundskeepers to sneak up on them early and make them clean it themselves. I hate Brussels and their stupid Human Rights rules as we wouldn't have as many immigrants without it.
One of the guns they are talking about was on a ship that my grandad served on so i find it really offensive that they are being so disrespectful of the Imperial War Museum's grounds.
The politcians tell us that we need these people to help us with the job market ???? They obviously are living in a different Britain to where I live. Parts of West London are now out of bounds to us but I have yet to see any of them making an honest pound and paying tax.
Blair's Britain!
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence. - John, Portsmouth, 6/9/2013 13:06....WRONG! Regardless of how we voted, NONE of us were consulted or asked if we wanted to turn our country into a freeloaders paradise! That said, I will never vote for Lab/Lib or the Conmen again!
Why, for goodness sake, are they allowed to remain in this country? They have no jobs just pick pocketing etc. The Council should make them clear up their own mess? To hell with the EU and their ludicrous laws, it's about time we should show these useless people the door, and make mess in their own country.
For eastern Europeans , sleeping rough is like a 5 star hotel .This country is terminally sick .
We all just sit and let it happen, We vent our anger posting comments in newspapers which is not enough because the Government turns a blind eye. The clock is ticking until possibly tens of thousands more people come into the UK seeking work that does not exist so thanks to EU law they will be given benefits and housing if they have children. Time to sit and reflect as we have become a Peter and Paul nation, taking off Peter the tax payer to give to the thousands of Pauls.
Is it not time we used the Human Rights Act 1998 to our benefit? According to HRA Article 5.1 (e).....Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:.....e)the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;. If these people do not meet the description of Vagrant I don't know who does. Arrest them all and deport them immediately.
Only the UK would be stupid enough to let it happen. Go to any of their countries & try it!, a good hiding on the way to prison would be what you'd get. Come 2014, there will be 100,000's doing it, turning this country into one huge vagrants dumping ground. Pathetic!.
The Vagrancy Act 1824 is still on the books. Arrest the whole damn lot of them.
OUT OUT OUT
Blame Tony! - NIck Addison, Great Missenden sick to death of idiots like you tony has gone hes past finished blaming him isnt going to slove the problem now get it !!!! fast forward to the present - there you are - reallity check
Why not round them all up fill up a plane or two and deposit them back to where they came from at taxpayers expense, which in the great scheme of things would be cheap!!
Where do the Eastern Europeans go when winter comes and where are all the millions going to live who will arrive in the next few years? zzz!
Fantastic! So glad they setting up home in affluent areas and we can all thank B-liar and his liebour followers for this - if you want this sort of thing vote liebour if you don't vote UKIP. Dave & co can't do much about it because it was all signed and agreed, along with a load of extra money by liebour with the EU.
And of course, they cannot be send home because that would violate their human rights.
In other countries there's get thrown in a cell and fined but here we give them benefits an offer them housing. We're pathetic
Round them up and put them on the next RAF flight back to where they have come from. Stuff what Europe tells us what we can and cannot do in our own country.
Round them up and Deport them!!! Should be simple and would send the right message to any others arriving! If they have no job and no form of supporting themselves they should not be in this country.......
Outrages!
Here's an idea. If someone entering the country for anything other than a holiday has neither a job or a place to stay, send them back.
It is SHAMEFUL - but why does the person who's been instructed to move their stuff imply that she doesn't do so because the "guys get angry"?? What the heck? They SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!! Let them get angry! If they don't like, find somewhere else - preferrably in Vilnius... Hasn't the Peace Garden got a sprinkler system? If their "stuff" got a good drenching perhaps that would encourage them to move on... And don't talk about compassion... Is it compassionate to doss in a public space that's been dedicated to peace? Bah!!! UKIP will DEFINITELY get my vote!
Get out of the EU and end this maddness
SHOCK! HORROR!! Man hangs coat on granite slab. WHO CARES? Just give them council flats and be done with it. They arent any lazier than the average brit
This is awful. Do something about it cameron! Bet he wont. Waste of space.
The British employers that hire illegal immigrants get a paltry fine.Why.
Can't people see these human beings are desperate and have nothing and little to hope for
is britain now a refugee camp?
What a miserable existence they must lead. Why can't they lead it somewhere else!
so nice to see the EU in all its splendour without border cointrols, and people can travel anywhere and treat the host country as a toileyt
they manage to get here so they can manage on there own to go back.......... stop being soft cameron and grow a pair ........ at the moment they are pinhead size
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all.
I could weep at what's been done to our country, and everyone seems helpless to undo the damage done.
The UK government should start recharging the countries that these people come from for all the costs incurred cleaning up after them and all the other costs related to them sponging of the UK tax payer
Nowhere to go?? How about home?
Instead of get rid of these mess our interfering busy body of a prime minister wants to interfere in syrian affairs this cameroon should get his act together otherwise he will get his fingers burnt come the 2015 elections his liberal ideas does not wash with the majority
Why even bother coming here? - Big Al, Nein jan, when they are legal in jan 14, benefits, free health service , housing, there feral kids in schools,no doubt like the rest of eu migrants they will then take presidence over brits , comes to something now that police cant be called when they attack staff trying to move there just were do the supposed people in power here think its all going to end
Water cannon ...
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Cameron only likes to be on the World stage feeling important and giving our money away who cares what is happening in UK
I could not care less about Park Lane. Let the poor and rich mix, I say. But a war memorial?? No. Just NO.
NO wonder people want to vote UKIP-get out of the european community Mr Cameron.
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
The British Border control really needs to tighten up! We should adopt the policies of Australia where if you cannot prove that you can fend for yourself, you do not even touch the soil!
The guy in the second pic is quite hot. And his tshirt says " sex instructor". I guess he won't be homeless for long!
Is it beyond out Border Control people to work out for themselves that we should check that someone arriving in this country on a ONE WAY ticket should be asked how they think they are going to support themselves, unless they can prove they have sufficient funds and/or a job to go to? It's what America, Australia and New Zealand do. I have a UK passport and when I arrived in Norway of all places on a one-way ticket I was quizzed for a while until my "sponsor" arrived to sort things out!
Lets hope for snow this winter, that should get rid of some.
So what happens in December when thousands come from Romania and Bulgaria, where will they all pitch camp? The government seems to be concentrating on everything but this matter despite the fact it will have a HUGE impact, so why the silence, is it because we have no power to change the EU rules? I think so, yet they can't admit it or it will give a further boost to UKIP.
The UK is a doormat in all senses of the word. It has the words welcome written on it and you can wipe your feet on it before going in.
Given how scruffy and poor these people look.. How an earth did they get into this country?!!! I just don't get it! If they came in via the back of a lorry, then they are illegals, and should be picked up daily, and thrown back to their country daily...
This country is being brought to its knees by our useless politicians many who spend time on outside jobs rather than do the job they are paid for
I'm surprised Cameron has not donated 52 million of money we have not got for humanitarian aid to these tosa's plenty room in the grounds of 10 Downing St, and at Parliament come one come all.As a well know primemister once said you never had it so good.
Welcome to LibLabCon's multi-culti utopia!!
Glad to hear they use condoms
Welcome to Britain ! Before we know it we'll all be living like this ! #bedroom tax
How can anyone go to a foreign country without anywhere to live and no job ?
Where is the respect shown to this country when they come over here and treat some of the areas in London like this. They should not be allowed in unless they have accommodation and a job to go to, its not up to us to provide for them, we have our own people that need help. Maybe instead of sending them home send them to Brussels let them sort the problem out.
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this.
well heres hoping that the only option they are given when winter kicks in is home
Just the beginning! Those in power who make these decisions, of course, do not have to look at or live near these sights.
Once their here its to late if the police arrest em what they gonna do with em? put em in a cell feed them somewhere warm to sleep they'd love it the damage is done alas it's only gonna get a whole lot worse.
And to think if all the money I've spent on hotels when in London! Why didn't anyone tell me i could set up camp in the mist exclusive areas in town????
Deport them!!
Are the big guns metal? Scrap Metal?
Your comments: Cant they sleep rough in there Country.. Long way to come just to camp. Pfft.
Thank you Labour for causing the problem and thank you Tories for not dealing with it.
If you try to sleep at Trafalgar square, you would be told in no uncertain terms to move on.
Lee , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 12:19... They can go back to their own countries for help. Why should we help them? We have enough of our own people who need help. Charity begins at home.
The homeless Lithuanian even had his washings up. This would have been hilarious if it wasn't serious. It is only the beginning. Brace yourselves for 2014
We need them to sleep rough outside Westmister, so that the EU-loving MPs (of all parties) have to step over these symbols of Freedom of Movement of Labour to get to their work ! Bottom line is that this is the cost of EU Membership - but all we hear is that Nissan might close down if we get out. NO THEY WON'T. PS I see the G20 leaders are togther....why are Baroso and Van Rumpuy there - can anyone tell me what COUNTRY they rule ?
In other countries, you have to ave a hotel or friends address to state where you will be, along with your visa.... Somehow I don't think "dissing own in the war museum" counts.... Please auK, just get real, firm and practical with these people, and round them up and kick them out!
And this is a benefit of being in the poxy EU?
The problem is Obama might see anything we do to dissuade this sort of nonsense would be seen as tyranny and we'd be bombed Don't blame the UK police for this mess, blame the politicians
West made a colossal effor to destroy USSR. Now Eastern Block countires citizens are all yours - enjoy!
Neighbours of ours have just come back from a holiday in UK. They said never again as it was filthy! I only left UK 10 years ago so what's happened to a once lovely Country?
When is the government going to get the message that the British people do not want these people in the UK?
We are finished if we stay in the EU, soon we will be completely over run. I have to vote UKIP in the next GE, they are the only party that will get us out.
Major failure of border control, this is the result of thoughtless austerity and getting rid off border officers, not only at the first point of entry, but having the man power to round these people up and ship them out. new rules of entry should include a deposit paid to the Govt to cover the return back to their country, no deposit no entry.
This is what the Vagrancy Act 1824 is for: use it! It is illegal to sleep on the street or beg. Take a leaf out of the book of the French: round 'em up, line them up immediately in front of a magistrate, convict them and put them on buses back home within 24hrs.
instead of sweeping up excrement why dont they sweep up all the immigrants and put them on a plane HOME wether they like it or not!! unbelievable what goes on in this country !
Don't expect Daveto do anything; we are already no longer a Nation that means anything in the world, just ask the Russians.
Another benefit of uncontrolled mass immigration
This is a joke,And Cameron wants invade Syria, clean you own country's mess first, No wonder Britian is not Great any more,
This is the result of EU membership. We need to leave but the majority of us will still vote liblabcon the party's that to keep us in. If you intend to vote liblabcon them don't complain about this sort of thing. If however you really want to do something positive , VOTE UKIP and persuade everyone you know to do the same. It's the only way we can start to change this country for the better.
Send a fire engine in and hose them down - keep doing that until they get the hint Not PC, neither is abusing a memorial site
And still our doors are flung open wide for all and sundry...
Tip of the iceberg, as from next year these people in their droves will be everywhere and many sleeping rough, as a regular feature all over the place, when let in under EU ruling.., The UK homeless nationals, will then pale into insignificance in comparison., fact not speculation.
Put the sign up "NO VACANCIES" we are full
AS PUTIN SAYS, LITTLE ENGLAND, Europe's dumping ground.
You can thank your government for that...
Why let these people in the country if they are not going to benefit our community
They're turning the place into a slum and I for one am sick and tired of it. Maybe they can choose Downing |Street for their next toilet
At beginning of next year all from Bulgaria and Romania can claim benefits on arrival by saying they are self employed, and bringing their families will guarantee them immediate accommodation, all courtesy of the UK tax payers. It is no use complaining because it is EU Dictatorship ruling, and pro EU leaders like Cameron may tut, tut, but will still comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE NONE OF THE OTHERS WILL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
What do we expect, we have got no respect for our country anymore, why should we assume these lot will. So angry to see my country being pulled apart, breaks my heart to see a lovely country being ruined and nobody will do anything to stop it happening.
And the Rt. Hon Cameron announced at a meeting recently in Kazakhstan, that he personally would like to see the EU extended from "the Atlantic to the Urals!" Is this the opinion of a man who would ever lift a finger to enable the UK to leave the EU ? Never in a million years. The only politician in this country who will offer this opportunity to the electorate is Nigel Farage and UKIP. Cameron and the rest of the liars, traitors and conspirators in the ConLabLibdem consortium will destroy the UK, unless action is taken at the 2015 General Election. VOTE UKIP.
Yes I'm going to bitch again about your immigration policies. Canadian here with a fantastic work ethic - take great pride in paying my way through life through hard work and a member of the Commonwealth to boot!! Nope... can't move to England!! We only let everyone in Europe with no skills to speak of in. Thanks. Everytime I read this stuff I am INSULTED. I have wanted to live in England since I was a child and I just. simply. CAN'T. Does anyone understand this reasoning? GET OUT OF THE EU.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214, hannover, 6/9/2013 11:46 Let them move to Hannover with you. Lets see your compassion
What ever happened to the vagrancy laws in this country? or will this upset the human rights laws? just asking. Sorry I have to say this but if they are living as vagrants surely they should be sent back to their own countries.
they should sleep on their own consulates ground until they fly them home.
MPs tell us regularly the immigration is all good. Don't tell me that they lie?!!
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron?
Calm before the storm, maybe this will be the straw that finally breaks the Camels back, doubt it but its time the British public grew a pair and demonstrate that enough is enough, politicians of all persuasions need to realise that your average citizen has had enough of these blatant abuses of the system, they come here with no money, no, education, can't speak the language and have no specific job skills that will benefit the UK, if Cameon put in as much effort trying to sort out these festering sores in the UK as he did trying to bomb Syria then possibly we could solve this issue, doubt he will though as he only likes to be on the world stage.
No job, no home, get rid simple really but then again country been taken over by leftie liberals who ignore majority defend minorities .
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Doing the jobs we won't do!
Enough is ENOUGH
- terence , derby, 06/9/2013 11:54 Terence. The MPs do nothing, because their masters in Brussels will not allow them to.
How disrespectful - this needs to stop now - we are not a nation of tramps
Blair has plenty of spare rooms.
Well if the British kids are quite happy to pay hundreds of pounds and sleep rough at a music festival then these people should not be criticized. Of course they shouldn't have been allowed into the country without sufficient money to live here for at least 6 months or already have a job and I don't think begging and stealing can be classed as work. Instead blame the governments both current and the last one. If those in power can't be bothered to deal with this, then it is up to you to make a change at the next elections. People need to write to their politicians and warn them they won't be voting for them if they don't do anything about it.
Round them up and ship them out, freedom of movement within the EU did not mean this, that said they shouldn't have been allowed in the EU in the first place.
HMS UK is sinking ... when will anyone with power over my life put there by a "democratic" system that I was taught to embrace actually realise the truth...?
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
its going to get far far worse just wait until next year 1rst of January i believe another influx of immigrants, i just dont want any part of this worldwide social experiment anymore what was wrong with leaving countries as is? its not like we dont send billions to poorer countries, i want out and just having recently becoming a father im terrified as to what its going to be like in another 10 or 20 years i fear his in for a tough life an unfair one at that.
and it's only going to get worse... when will this country EVER find its backbone as regards immigration.
Will you go away.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Gee...thanks Labour
How on earth did they get into the UK?
The Roma complain about persecution in Romania where they behave as they do here. Bearing in mind what a soft touch the UK is and the availability of FREE Legal Aid, I see a Human Rights and compo claim coming any day now.
If we did that in Romania and abused one of their monuments in such away then we would rightly be arrested and deported, vagrancy is still a crime. Unfortunately every morning on the streets of London you see the Eastern Europeans stashing their stuff for the day before going begging and it is becoming more and more of a nuisance, as it is very aggressive begging and in a lot of cases tantamount to intimidation. This problem needs to be sorted and soon before the next influx.
The politicians should be the ones clearing up their mess every morning, not the museum staff.
These people are not homeless, they have homes in their own countries but chose to come here to try to live off our benefit system. With sights like this in a 'sacred monumental garden' is it any wonder that this country is an international laughing stock that no one takes any notice of any more.
Roll on winter and let's hope it's a really cold one.
Round them up and put them on a bus. Take them to the Romanian Consulate and let them take responsibility.
If they are not doing anything worth keeping in the country deport them back, let their own governments look after them!!!
Wait till early next year.....
Ukip them out
And it can only get worse unless we leave the EU before 2014. Round these people up and send them home, our country is full thanks to the EU which has brought us nothing but ruin.
They should go home. We don't have any room for them.
The young man who wanted to work I feel sorry for, as he has clearly been cruelly misled about the availability of jobs in Britain. The others, however, who come here with no intention of working, should never be allowed in to trash our country. If the only way to stop this is to vote UKIP, I certainly will.
Close the border to those that cannot contribute to our society or afford to live here....enough!!
Disgraceful - ROUND THEM UP AND SHIP THEM OUT- no if buts or maybe's.
No job? No home? Then go home to your own country and let them take care of you. We have a hard enough time looking after our own. Harsh, I know. But I wouldn't go their countries, sleep rough and make the place a refugee camp.
Here we go again-no wonder Putin remarked that we are of no consequence-what is going to be done about all this??We have to restore 'true' British pride!Unless of course we are all hot air....I wonder how Nigel Farage would have responded to Putin I must say Cameron looks completely downtrodden and ill at ease where are our 'staetemen' gone??
May I suggest automatic garden sprinklers to go off every couple of hours!
What is the government doing, this country is going to pot.....no more Great Britain!! something has to be done, put a stop to all this, sod the European Courts they don't live here! now our kids may have to have 3 days schooling per week due to the influx over time...........not worth having a government at all its a joke
Its called the socialist dream or as they put it the International Worker!!! It was the end if Britain as we new it the day they signed the Maastricht Treaty! And if you want to learn what they have for us in the future the study the Frankfurt School of Marxism! I can assure you those trade union leader have studied it well! That why they are desperate to fund like minded Labour Politicians!
This is what David Cameron as done for the country, more immigrants are on the way and hes not prepared to do anything about it.
I run a homeless project and have been asked by local government to open many more......homelessness is the only growth industry at the moment it seems........another tory legacy.
I'm surprised they haven't been given their Mansions in Park Lane yet, give it time for the ECHR & EU to force the government to give in and give them all the benefits.
Thousands of their countrymen and women will flood into Britain in 2014, if we all bit the bullet and Vote UKIP in 2015, by 2017 Thousands will be going back over the channel, UKIP is our last hope, mess this up and we deserve all we get. and GET IT we will.
How do these Romanians get in the country to LIVE ON THE STREETS? Yet a Canadian with a career and clean record & British born grandparents cannot get a green card in London. That's messed up. Someone there is making the wrong immigration choices
Thank you politicians all, who have led this country to the bottom of the cess pit.
Italy - Population 59,685,227, Area 116,347 sq miles, Population Density 512 / sq mile. France - Population 65,350,000, Area 246,201 sq miles, Population Density 301 / sq mile. The whole UK - Population 63,181,775, Area 94,060 sq miles, Population Density 662 / sq mile. Anyone else see a problem here? The fashionably PC lefties won't be happy until we're crammed in like sardines. We're Europe's dumping ground for people like this; no wonder the Russians said what they did, decades of inept leadership have brought us here. I had hoped 'call me' Dave's defeat in Parliament would have made him realise it was time to get his own house in order and sort out problems closer to home... A vain hope indeed.
What a joke this country has become. Can you imagine this happening at any monument or in the US ,particularity anything related to the military.... and while we are at it ... where are all the immigration officials checking the credentials of these people? I would have thought it was an easy win for them to fastrack a few deportations.
Referendum now! Let's get out of Europe, rip-up the EU Human Rights document (and write our own), secure OUR Borders and deport (and no amnesty).
Omni88, Oxford, UK - Cool. When can I move in with you then?
Don't know who I despise more. Th flotsam and jetsam of the Planet portrayed in the photographs above OR the kow-towing politicians who bend the knee submissively and appease Merkel and co... OR those who for the last 70+ years have voted those weak-willed 'politicians' into power... Perhaps, unless it really is too late, time for a change, UKIP anyone?
you don't give them the choice, just send them back
Disgusting!
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here! - Tintin , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:54---Well they will if they are stealing and begging and not paying for anything.
On the other hand, more and more people leave everything up to the police and the law. Some parents even think school should educate their kids. People need more common sense and more implication in the life of their community. All the selfishness and the personal ambition granted by overselling politics lead nowhere good.
Reply to ................Kendo 214, If the shoe was on the other foot, and these people were hanging articles of clothing on monuments and using the area as a public toilet in and around you . Would you be as tolerant . I think not.
Blame the European open doors for the mess. Get out Of Europe or renegotiate the terms to stop these people coming here and ruining the country.
Will the Government please give me a free flight out of here. No so we just have to abide by the rules and put up with it. So so sad what they have done to this once Great Country. Time to put things right for our Grandchildren. Like my Grandad did for me.
Is this the Modern UK ?........... couldn't they set up camp outside Buckingham palace instead
Enough is enough The country is FULL , close the doors for 2 years sort out those who are willing , want and should be here to contribute to our wonderful country and we we welcome those with open arms. For those who don't , its simple move on...
GO HOME!
Im sorry, but i am sick of these kind of immigrants. My dad came here in 1973, worked every single day, paid tax and made sure we went to school, got a job and paid into society too. What the heck is wrong with these immigrants... and of course the in house benefit scroungers. Makes me so angry!
Deport. "homeless" + gates.
What happened to the 'Vagrancy Act'?
My patience has snapped where immigration is concerned. I have had enough, I won't be served by them, or visit any establishment that employs them. I don't care what happens to them, I just want them to go.
This is just a preview of what is to follow from January 2014. STOP IT NOW before it really becomes too late
I bet this wasn't the life they were promised back at home if they came to Britain. they really should go home if they can't find work or a place to live. It's sad that people have to live on the streets and take desperate measures but they chose to come here. There are British people in the same boat in their own country! help them first!!
and still mr cameron does nothing a benefit to the economy eh? a benefit to the country eh ? bringing diversity eh ?
Remove the policeman from the final photo on this article and turn it black and white. that picture could of been taken in the 40's. what a joke of country this is turning out to be. send these tramps back to where they belong, their OWN country.
Falls in to the category of why am I not surprised. Until 'we' do something about this it will carry on! We need someone in parliament with a set of dogs danglies .
Put the hosepipe on them at 06:00 hours every morning, that should do the trick.
Yes Putin got it Right. Tramp-Land UK compliments of > Guts UK Gov. Vote UKIP to put it right. :)
Oh come on. These people know what they are doing - they sleep in some of the most obvious places until someone comes along, feels sorry for them and get them setup in a nice house with all the trimmings. Get themselves in the papers is a good way to start.
I think these Eastern Europeans in this story are in for a rude awakening? Wait until next year when more of the countrymen arrive here and start taking up spaces these people have found. Let's see how they deal with overcrowding around national monuments and parks. I have a serious question? How long do you think it will take for the government to react to this mass influx of squatters? Usually the man and woman on the street see the problem years before the government move to address the problem and we see it now. So we KNOW it will massively increase from this "minor" problem to a huge problem but how long before they do something about it?
Welcome to Broken Britain
This is what you signed up for when you voted to join the EU. Be careful what you wish for.
Our politicians will not do anything because they get their palms greased by the EU. Not a chance of us withdrawing from it. Corruption and fraud is endemic
How many stories like this before SOMETHING IS DONE?
No other country would allow this. We are importing thousands of people who will never contribute , but will be a drain on our economy. Please, please act in the national interest, for once.
Thank Labour for that one.
They should take a look at how the Australians treat these sort of people. . . . If they do not have a good reason to be in Australia they deny them entry and send them straight back where they came from. . . Not having enough money to support themselves during their stay is just one of the reasons for refusing entry.
Disgraceful.
And there's an £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt or a lolly paper in Bromley high street. The environmental officers are in action there all the time. What about a bit of environmental protection against these Romanians. Go home please.
Winter is coming the grasshopper will have to travel to Spain.
Why continue to let non-Brits stay? Worst day for Britain when you joined the EEC and opened the borders to everyone. And if these vagrants leave throughout the day, yet "store" their sleeping bags and belongings in the park, simply remove them when they are not there. This is just continuing their ability to return and camp there again. It's about time someone grew a set and stood up to these guys. Your PM has just made a speech about how great the country is (G20) - anyone in authority like to prove him right??????
To paraphrase part of the headline:- One hangs ones head in shame, and I'm not referring to anybody in the photographs. Where next I wonder, The Cenotaph?
Disgusting and ridiculous, the grounds keepers should not have to clean their mess up every day! Send them home! There's no room at the inn!
THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT
Do you think France would stand for this? A squad of riot police would have them bundled away in vans within a day. We are too soft.
don't worry the winter is coming, see if they still sleep rough on our streets when its cold, windy and snowing
They have ruined this country and made like theirs, nearly the end of GB
Round them up, kick them out of the country. If EU don't like it, tough! All this is getting out of hand, they need to act now.
Let them stay, no where else to go have they, plus they"ll soon be a tourist attraction for the Japanese with their cameras.
Where else should they go? They should be given council housing.
we should really be making more parks like this for them....who wants a council house these days when the parks are far better....good on them!!
They could go and camp on the property off all the ex labour government as they were the ones that allowed the mass immigration into our country. They will welcome them with open arms, as they expected us to.
<> like the lads sweatshirt "sex instructor, first lesson free" :-)
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
Think I may stop reading the mail online due to all the UKIP lovers. Yeah vote for a party that has an MP who thinks all women of child bearing ages shouldn't be hired and refers to Africa as Bongo Bongo land, yeah that is really moving forward. People in England don't know how lucky they are.
Bit of a come down from Park Lane slumming it in South London .Please let it snow
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
see how they behave in cold weather hopefully they just might go back to they're own country.
total lack of respect for this country SEND THEM HOME NOW
This is all so wrong but our government does nothing.
I know genuine foreign entrepreneurs wanting to invest and live here, they have to struggle to get a visa and yet these people from EU walk in freely to do whatever they like, honestly what a mess!
To the socialists and idealists: I hope you, and especially your children, are all happy. I'm sure you'll be even more self-righteous as the problems get inevitably worse.
I for one feel sorry both for the homeless and for the staff.
This is absolutely awful and should NOT be happening!!!! WHEN is something going to be done about it .... once and for all ???
It's about time we adopted the same kind of rules as Australia! I just don't understand how these people keep getting into the UK if all they are doing is sleeping rough in parks?? How does that benefit our country? Not really sure why they'd want to stay if they can't find jobs and are sleeping rough?? The UK weather isn't that appealing is it?!?!
Bloody joke of a country will NEVER change.
Maybe if the politicians had to overlook these camps or clean up their rubbish,they would do something about it
Round them up and kick them out, its difficult to work out. They are contributing nothing so send them home. They are just helping turn our country into the cesspit of Europe.
another bleeding heart liberal shutup ------Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46
They won't go back to their own countries because they are probably wanted criminals or have no education or prospects of a job. Better hang out here labour's benefits will eventually come!
'But if we move their stuff if they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to some guys get angry.' "mon Dieu" Well we can't have that can we? It will never do upsetting our guests like that. This is just the "overture" to a very comic opera, G & S could not have produced a script like that. Paul Glasgow..."If this is happening every morning where are the police?" There's enough problems there without bringing them in. UKIP UKIP UKIP The ONLY way out of this c**p.
thanks for turning my country into a cess pit ... you useless so called leaders ....... roll on 2015 ..and UKIP
We do not need any workers here.We have our own British job seekers!End of!
Quick! Notify Blair that his concept of different cultures living side by side in unity is working well
Why even bother coming here?
If it were me seeing their parcels of whatever under the bushes they would be removed and sent to the land fill site along with the rest of any garbage found around there. Pack them all on a ferry and deport them without a bye your leave etc Strong action is the only way.:
OK enough. Why is Boris allowing this disrespect to happen ?
Cameron needs to address this problem on our doorstep and look to this country instead of trying to be the "world leader" he seems to think he is!
'Bout time we just got rid of the lot. The goverment are spineless and only interested in sorting problems in other countries and giving our money away. If this was a goverment for the people they wouldn't be ruining England like they are. Scotland don't put up with it and that's why I'm moving north.
Hopefully come winter it'll be too cold for them to sleep on the streets and they'll have to move on. Awful what is happening to this country. Our politicians are idiots.
Offered a free flight home !...They should be deported immediately, and stuff what Brussels has to say about it, it is our country, and if Cameron is too cowardly to deport them, then vote for a party that will, vote UKIP..!!!
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu? - mreed , Oslo, Norway, 06/9/2013 11:48 That's interesting, and Norway's not an EU member.
Bus, plane and bye bye..........simple.
UK Vagrancy laws allow that these people can be removed from public view. Why is this not happening? If these people are homeless foreign nationals they should be taken to their nearest embassy for their compatriots to deal with.
Vote UKIP and end this farcical situation. If nothing else, voting for UKIP should rid us of Cameron. now established as Britain's biggest liability.
Send them all back, whence they came !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
send them back NOW !
It's really simple, no home and no job, DEPORT them. If Europe is that keen to stand up for them, then off to Euope, FRANCE perhaps! Maybe the Houses of Parliment might be their next stop to!
@- kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46 - Compassionate, LOL!!! you can always go to their country to live like they do
No other country would tolerate these useless derelicts from hapless lands who have NO respect for Britain whatsoever.....ROUND EM UP AND THROW EM OUT !
Why is the Dalai Lama referred to as 'His Holiness' but not the Pope?
Offered a free flight home... it shouldn't be an offer, it should be mandatory to boot these no-gooders home and don't come back!!
Can they not be forced to clean up their own used condoms, excrement and crack bottles??
I feel really concerned for these people. Why do so many people feel angry with them? If this was an article about homeless dogs I wonder what the reaction would be.
WHY is this allowed to carry on happening? this is utterly crazy! the 'authorities' need to move them out & make sure they either find a proper place to live or they go back home
About time we reintroduced a vagrancy act. No one should be allowed in to this country fromANYWHERE unless they have proven means of support.
IF THEY HAVE NOT GOT HOMES TO STAY THEY SHOULD NOT COME IN
UKIP
...residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go. Perhaps where they came from?
It's so fun reading western abuse of the term "eastern europeans". Imagine if we wrote sth like "a tourist from western europe won the lottery today....". That could mean anyone from german neo-nazi to the queen of England lol
The only answer is vote UKIP.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Bloody bleeding heart, hand-wringing liberals. You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing or the consequences of your actions beyond the immediate.
As an American woman, who lives and works in London, I see these people often. It breaks my heart. The government should do something for them and see that they have food and shelter. Winter is coming and they are going to have nowhere to turn.
Who is this "His Holiness" that you are talking about? Do you mean Tenzin Gyatso, who would like to have himself installed as the unelected "leader" of a medieval theocracy in an already impoverished country? Oh yes, that's very holy, that is!
It's all very well someone sleeping ruff! But seriously if you are not born in this country or even British, why should hard working people pay their taxes to clean up after you!! Go to your embassy explains your I dire strates and go back to to where you came from!!
When the weather starts to turn colder their numbers will drop steadily.
Pick them up and take them to their respective Embassies to deal with. If they are homeless and have no money, their Embassies should repatriate them to their country of origin at their expense. Why do we think it is our problem.
And yet barely 100 yards up the road is Kennington Police Station - if the police let this happen under their own noses, no wonder they think they can do whatever they like.
They should be deported without delay. It would seem that our "police force" is still sleeping on the job!
They have nowhere to go? what about home where they came from. If their having to live on the streets , they will have no income , so where do they get the money to live from ???? we persecute our OWN vagrants that have fallen on tough times and are quite happy for them to be moved on . So how is it these immigrants are allowed to return time and time again and are allowed to treat our national monuments in this disgusting manner.How long are we to leave our gates of this once great country open before its realized that we cant cope. at least UKIP have some good ideas and will be getting my vote next time round.
Can any one remember that Little girl who dropped a bit of Cornish pasty and a Seagull snapped it up the parent got fined should the same law apply
Why don't the authorities stop it !
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless? - Mr Singh , Birmingham, 06/9/2013 11:03....More than likely because if they stick around long enough they'll be given housing, healthcare, education and everything else under the sun for FREE to them, but paid for by the likes of most of the people commenting.
It's about time this goverment grew a pair and said to hell with the EU and round up all eu people who do not have a job and kick them back to their own country. Enough is enough this country will end up a third world country whoops sorry we already are.
Oh for goodness sake round them up and send them to Brussels
Exactly what harm is this doing to anyone?
Oh no please I need to get out of this 'dumping ground' of a country!
Vote UKIP, then Labour will get in!
coming soon to a town city near you.time to shut the door on all those who can not contribute to our society.this probely wont get printed .
Coming soon Episode 2 Britain 2014, the migration of a further 1,000,000+ benefit scroungers to the UK mainly southern england and how they will bring the country to its knee's. Crime, DWP, NHS, Education & Housing.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover,=== You think that letting people sleep in parks, public gardens and memorials is compassionate. That allowing them to despoil these areas with detritus of their squalid existence is compassionate. To overlook the crimes they commit to exist or because they are lawless is compassionate. That we should just turn over our spaces to the world and his wife, because they come here in thousands and aren't really suited to work, either because they are ill-educated, have neither functional written nor spoken English, are more interested in living on benefits (usually significantly higher than in their home country) or just came here to escape dire conditions. Why not invite them to stay in your garden if you feel so strongly.
Send them to there country of origin....they can live just as well on the streets of the homeland as they can here..it's not that I'm heartless but we should have a FULL sign at any port.....not enough housing for the people who were born here so why let more in.
Is this what our grandfather's fight for in the war Mr Cameron? I think not!
This is what we have to tolerate...as EU members.....ain't it wonderful.?
These people need help. The comments on here would def not be as harsh as they are if it was young British people on the streets. Thank god its still warm and not winter yet.
It will only get worse. This country has to say NO to any more immigrants. What has happened about immigrants going to the nearest country? No admission to this country unless they have means to support themselves or have a job lined up, with proof. Even Merkel is worried. She is on the way out.
And people were saying the advert van suggesting people go home was offensive? Think again. No respect by these people at all.
Issue the cleaning equipment to Mr Blair and Mr Brown and make them clear the mess up they created. Brown is still an MP so it will only be a short trip on the tube. That is if he turns up at Parliament.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates.
Ship them back to their own country now and no softly softly approach, get them the hell out of here, we are a struggling country without all these free loaders entering our borders.
Well done the British Establishment you are doing a great job of running the country.
It is time to stop all this nonsense, it has to stop ... how many times must we say or think this. If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be ?? You know the answer. ... Our government and police are not doing their job and letting this country become the laughing stock of Europe. It is not the country I was born into anymore. Sad so very sad.
They don't come to Spain where the weather is better. Why? Because the police would nail them and because there are no free handouts.
We'll never get anything solved until our judiciary stop behaving like a bunch of student protesters.
What the hell is wrong with England. Just get them out and give us our own culture back and let them live their own!!!!!!!!! Enough already.
Why do the British Nation put up with sort of thing? I am sure if we did it in their country we would be arrested and deported, we are far too soft
That's OK - because Cameron says so.
Deport them, they are a disgrace and we don't want them here.
Used condoms?!? Fantastic for the Liberals in Britain at least they are practicing safe sex!!! In another vein - If the british hate their own country what do you expect everyone else to do?
Move them on to Downing street.
weak britain, the russian are right we are only a small island and dumping ground.
Thing that is so annoying is we are sleepwalking into this situation and it can be avoided. Our government could LEGALLY opt out of this! They could either say due to our considerations that we may be leaving, all rules are suspended until this is decided but also they could pass an Act of Parliament which repeals part of the European Convention. Europe don't have last say on everything because it is unconstitutional. Obviously they wouldn't tell anyone this though.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart . -- - John-B, London, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:53 --- AND incompetent, traitorous Lieb/Cons/LDumb politicians !! Join, support and vote ONLY for UKIP - flush the others out. We are long overdue some decent, 'breath of fresh air' politics designed for the benefits of the indigenous UK population.
Not long until winter.
Get real, we have seen nothing, yet.
Takes us over an hour to get through passport control coming back from a holiday. How are all these getting through. Shut the borders and start deporting. You want to come and work pay 50% tax that will put them off they might start heading off to Germany.
Cameron/Boris you need to sort this mess out now and you need to shut the door on europe now - at least have the guts to do something in your so far totally inept priministership.
It's a wonder Putin rub it in about Britain putting up with these people Ron, Western Australia
Bob-For the same reason men go with crazy hags from hell...because they do not know any better,yet.It's like a child touching a hot oven.It's foolish.Mama told you so but then you had to see for yourself
Get them out of the country now.
how lovely! Thanks to the powers that be.
They are sleeping rough therefore not claiming benefits. Surely DM readers who are obsessed with benefits and who's getting them would be in their element...?
Immigration has been a success then? When they've taken all the jobs, the 'spares' clutter up our national monuments? Well done, Labour!
The scheme was meant to help scientists and business leaders travel between European Countries with a minimum of fuss. But its turned out completely differently and just caused huge problems for everyone. It could have been forseen that the desperatley poor people of Eastern Europe would be on the first bus they could to the richer countries. This scheme needs urgent cancellation before all our Countries collapse under the strain. But do you trust any politician to sort it out ?
Well UK, welcome to the world.
Good luck to them all
GET THEM OUT!!!
Problem is this rubbish is giving all migrants a bad name. They have no respect for anything and yet expect respect. The truth is they believe we are mugs, just ask any of them. We are mugs ripe for the taking. The people do not represent the majority of migrants though who come here to share in our beautiful country and in our lifestyle and want nothing more than to work hard and have all of that. This kind of rubbish will just move on to the next place once they have destroyed our country.
What a joke. now were to go. Than go home.
Why are they here?...............
Blair, the sellout traitor's legacy lives on..
That's it I'm going to Eastern Europe to sleep rough in their parks and claim their benefits and see how they like it. What's they don't give benefits to scroungers - now there's and idea!
It appears we don't have British homeless people now dm?! What a bias article I cannot even be bothered to finish to read.
Without making any comment upon the thousands of people dossing around everywhere Iwonder if It might help the ordinaryBrit to realise what a lovely country England was These people have no home no real income no nothing yet they think its betterhere dossing than going home
I wish the government would stop worrying about the Middle East and do something about this country. Come January we will be swamped with further immigrants. What a mess we are in...
Only Nick Griffin had any real answer.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Exactly Kendo, because obviously the people in Hannover are much more compassionate towards the eastern European immigrants you've got over there...
1 important advice... don't come to the UK
We have a government somewhere, taking our money and not doing the job; that's fraud.
Tip of the iceberg. No person deserves to sleep like this but we are FULL! Vote UKIP
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all. - Sebastien, Hackney, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 11:30===I bet you wont be saying that when they set up camp outside your front door and mess up your street
Your comments:This has got to stop , this has got to stop how many times must we say it, think it . If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be .... ha ha ha Our government , police, etc are letting these people make us become the laughing stock of Europe.
Buckingham Palace Next
Why are the Police not arresting these people and the Border Agency removing them from the Country. They have No jobs and no homes. They can be removed and sent to their home countries.
Why cant these 'tramps' be deported and sent home? They are nothing but a drain on society.
So Cameroon - what ya going to do?
They are worse off than in their own country ... deport the lot without thinking it over !
What was the point in shifting them from Park Lane if they are going to be allowed to set up camp somewhere else, particularly the Imperial War Museum. They do what they like and they are allowed to get away with it.
Do jobless immigrants sleep rough in the streets and parks of Brussels and Strasbourg? I suspect not. Do not dismiss the EU elections in May 2014. If you don't vote for change, then don't moan that nothing is being done!
How much more disrespectful behaviour do we have to put up with before the powers that be actually do something?! How dare people like this come to my country, demand and expect respect then absolutely defile our nation by being so utterly and unashamedly disrespectful, get rid of the lot of them, am sick, sick, sick of it. The feeling of helplessness at being able to do nothing is making for a very angry nation, a ticking time bomb if you like.
More on the way in January, folks. But the government obviously doesn't care. It would rather throw money at Syrian rebels than get this country back on its feet. We need to get out of the E.U. and stop this sorry flood of lazy good for nothings....so there's only one party will guarantee that, isn't there?
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy? - I.Noitall , Newcastle, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:32 --------Yes there are! not that our police would be that interested! I wonder why? No! they are more interested in stopping and harassing a motorist at 0430 in the morning for not indicating on a deserted housing estate road! oh! and don't they just love to get that breathalyser bit of kit out! they were so eager, they didn't even bother to tell this driver as to why he was being harassed!
Remember shiny Dave pratlling on about how he was going to create the " Big Society ". Laughable now isn't it ?
Go home if they have no we're to go how much more have we got to foot the bill for the worlds poor our children are now suffering at school our NHS with cuts that are barbaric to pay for schooling healthcare and benefits when we can't provide for our own immigration on these levels is just plain crazy our stupid mps still can't work this out yet
This is England!
WHY are they here if they are homeless and have no jobs ?
As the Scots got us into this in the first place, send them all up there !!
Let's hope for a really cold winter then!!
When will these out of touch, not living in the real world MP's wake up to this and block immigration into the UK, we really do need to sort this major problem out as it is becoming very stressful and putting a major strain on our public services, UKIP or any other political party will get my vote who will stop and limit immigration to the UK. Something has to give as we cannot continue with the EU dictatorship on who is entitled to enter Britain and drain everything in it, enough is enough.
The government won't do anything, they have cut loads of border staff, not taking on anymore. the situation is just crazy.
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence.
It happens because nobody stops it. For God's sake when is this Government going to wake up.
Won't be long before the big guns disappear without trace ......................
Buck palace next
Our once proud country is becoming a rubbish dump. Is this what are to expect going forward ? Instead of trying to play the world leader, wouldn't Dave be better off getting things fixed at home ?
I am disgusted by this but not surprised! this country is going down the toilet!
Why not send them to Ireland...there's lots of empty property there.
What is wrong with enacting the byelaws against vagancy? This country, without strong leadership, has gone soft.
It seems the mainstream parties don't actually want to deal with this. It is a disgrace.
Kendo 214,Hanover--------------- You go and clear up after them then !!
Only immigrants with recognised qualifications in either academic or industry occupations should be allowed in. There is NO demand for tens of thousands of unskilled workers in this country. The Germans are sick of uncontrolled immigration too as are the Scandinavian countries. If the useless politicians listened to their people they would find there's a general consensus amongst most "western" European countries that enough is enough.
Buck palace next
If they're sleeping rough on the streets of Britain, surely they can cope sleeping rough in their own countries? I'm very liberal by nature, but pictures like this make my blood boil. They are guests in the UK and yet treat it with the utmost contempt.
Surely if they are not a UK citizen, have no fixed residence or job, they should be arrested and deported...
I despair for my country, how long is this sort of thing going to go on for before something is done about it, UKIP get us out of this mess at the first opportunity .
European Union = freedom of movement! Coming to a park near YOU very soon!!
Many more to come,solution is in our hands when it's time to vote. Only one party opposes this mess and it's not Labour/Conservative or Lib dems. Time to wake up voters of the UK.
Kein Barber.Hereford...11.46..........Quite right ! If you are STILL going to vote for either of the three parties that sanctioned this degrading of our country then DON'T complain because YOU are part of the problem . For once just take the blindfold OFF !
And your Government lets them do this? Imagine what would happen if a British person tried this?
Thanks Camoron, May and all the rest of you EU loving shysters who have perpetrated this crime on us. Britain is rapidly becoming the EU dumping ground of the unwanted, who in torn are tuning our country into an open sewer and desecrating our memorials to the people who died for this country. You've all sold us down the river and are no longer worthy of our support. UKIP can and will change this.
Ok so a building dedicated to people who live, died and survived during desperate times and you're all moaning about desperate, homeless people who need shelter? Are the dead Romanians who are no doubt mentioned in the museum more important than the people who need help today?
Sling the lot in the back of an RAF Herc and off they go home.
Britain the biggest squat in the EU.
Come next year you won't be able to see the grass for bodies.
SO much effort to spend on Syria. SO very little to get our country back from the ravages of ill-conceived "good intentions". EVERYONE should write to their MP's about all this. Overwhelm them and make them do their job.
I don't understand why or how we can take these people in. We can't afford to pay their benefit. We really need to get out of this EU malarky.
I pity them. Not for their circumstances, but for the fact that they have reached the point where they simply have no shame.
Can someone tell the poor chap there's a spare room in 10 Downing Street
It's the EU and all the treasonous politicians who signed this country up to the treaties of the unelected ones. They had no right to do that, our sovereignty and democracy was never theirs to give away in the first place., We need to be out of the vile organisation with the utmost urgency. Only then will we be able to run our own country once more as set out in our Constitution.
Let's hope for lots of heavy rain at night for several months. That might put them off.
Your comments: I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. They have not harmed the Peace Garden in any way. Please leave them alone.
Are the police allowed to do anything, or are they happy to let this happen. Surely they can all be collected from London and put in a high security field surrounded with barbed wire.
Go home then! Surely if you are living on the streets this country is not for you.
Employ a dozen of them with high pressure hoses and clean it up overnight rather than in the morning?
I'm at a loss as to understand why Jamie Oliver doesn't give them all a job if they are all so hard working. {sarcasm intended} They don't even help themselves, but instead are quite happy to give into their baser desires and buy condoms rather than consider the long term solution of just what are they going to do with themselves. (Although the alternative of loads if kids is equally unthinkable.) The heatwave is over and we are going into Autumn/Winter but they will still be moved on around London instead of going home. I'm all for helping immigrants who are truly needy, if they are facing persecution back at home etc. But this is lunacy. Nobody is really benefitting, not us nor them. This is not a solution.
Fgs Cameron you wimp do something, they have NO respect for our country send them back.
God help us after Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are allowed to swarm here after jan 2014. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion; and all our politicians can say is that their hands are tied. They should resign and let in somebody who CAN do something, before it's too late.
Only in this country would this be allowed to happen!! These dossers should be shipped out pronto.
Get used to it guys, it's going to get a whole lot worse. I guess this is the legacy of messers Blair & Brown.
Coming to a town near you very soon now. 01/01/2014 is the start of the big race to the UK. Every one will be a winner. And who pays?
You ain't see nothing yet
Don't think I will be going to London anytime soon.....
get RID if them right away !!!!! as they will all be there soon !! if I left a mess there I would be fined !!! why are these allowed to get away with it !! send them packing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheres the police !!!!!
Saturation & patience has been reached. Our useless politicians need to get their fingers out before we have a catastrophe on our hands. Blair's houses need to be confiscated asap to house illegals and we need to stop immigration now. UKIP ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.
Offered free flights home. The next stage will be to give them a couple of thousand each to go home (ring a bell?). I'll never visit London it's becoming a right toilet.
round them up and ship them out - vote UKIP
I am pretty sure that next year when a handful sleeping rough and making a mess turns into thousands sleeping rough and making an even bigger mess then the government might actually get off there behinds and do something...
Serves you lot right, you were paranoid of none EU immigrants but i have always said "Our problem was the Europeans"........ RED ARROW ME IF YOU LIKE
having read the article, think I'm going to opt to stay in Switzerland.
UKIP UKIP UKIP .Any questions ? Theres your answers.
why dont they just go home?
Don't offer them force them
Just like here in Geneva.
Shocking. Truly shocking. And, what's worse? More on the way!
Your comments:GetRid of them all very quick. Why do they keep on coming. Mthey are not wanted here. What has this country become except a doss house for the rest of theveu. Mmjust wait until January. All hll will break loose then. Mintuink the normal everyday British man and woman have had enough. Get tough and show the world that we are no longer the benefit country of the world.
When this happened in France they were not just moved on but sent back to Romania. The problem is that under EU rules they have the right to return.London is slowly returning to a 19thb century condition because of the EU. This area in the article is beautifully maintained with its Tibetan Peace Garden. However this is what the ratepayers in London get also.
This Angers me so much !!!! They are costing us as a Country having added nothing but misery to it ,when we have veterans who have served our Queen and Country still sleeping rough with no help... Get these disrespectful Gypsies out of OUR country and start helping the People who have served it instead...
its time to deport these people. when you go to another country you offer something to make it better. these people are doing nothing.
The future has arrived.
Blame Tony B'liar'..... vote UKIP 2014 & 2015
Poor London, snigger, who said it was grim up North, expect thousands more, all these National Insurance numbers handed out. Red arrow to the right, snigger.
Why do we allow all this trash in our country ? Kick them all out immediately...most people had enough but are afraid to say anything in case they're labelled "this & that" ... What exactly do these people contribute to our economy & society ?
this country is great i pay nothing and i use free intanet now in coffee place. we keep coming because there is no problem here
I fear ,you aint seen nothing yet ,wait till january when the floodgates are opened ,please out of the E.U now.
Amy from Bath said__ I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37 Then follow your conscience and invite one (or more), to stay at your home. That way you can feel good about yourself, and the streets are a lot tidier.
I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. Over the years there have been many people sleeping rough in the Peace Garden but not one has caused harm. Please leave these people alone.
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here!
This is just the start we need to stop this before January 1st when they can all come in.
The tories have sat on their hands and done absolutely nothing the past three years will,only get much worse next year, ,the police keep clearing dosser park lane,and they just keep returning its a joke.
Simple answer, get out of Europe and stop letting them in.
why can't some sleep out side no 10 perhaps DC might do something then you yes he would have them removed then do as he always does NOTHING. our government is useless we want our country back or there is going to be big trouble as we are all fed up with this its only a matter of time before we snap something has to give.
And they are not even here illegally thanks to the rules of the EU who say we must allow in ALL FROM THE EU WHO WANT TO COME. Common sense flew out the window long ago when it comes to the EU Dictatorship and our leaders bending over backwards to comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE OF TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY.
Why don't they make these people clean up their own crap? Cleaners shouldn't have to go round cleaning up dog/human poo, used condoms, drugs paraphernalia and rubbish. They've got nothing better to do anyway. I dread to think how it'll be come 2014.
round them all up and send them back were they came from and argue the case later and they can have their hr in their own country, we cant afford them
I have a novel idea - it`s called DEPORTATION.
you lot seem to be foregetting one key point.........this is their country just as much as it is yours...now that we are part of europe....i dont see you posting pictures of every single homless british person online........why not ?..its just the same thing...except these eastern europeans dont stink like the british born tramps....they take care of themselves...even hang their coats up properly.
What a shame that we cannot simply deport them
Why is this allowed to happen. The rules of free movement only allow those from the EU to come here IF they have a job to go to, housing and medical sorted out as the rules say so they DO NOT become a burden on us. It says nothing about us becoming a third world country with Europes' waifs and strays. Forced repatriation should be enacted, not just let go to appear some where else. It wouldn't happen anywhere else in Mainland Europe, the French CRS wouldn't be so nice.
put them all on the next plane outta here and never let them back in
Politicians these days have no spine. They are a shadow of the past. Above all others, criminals included, I hate politicians.
Homeless foreigners should be put on a plane and sent home. If they wish to come back they should have a job and accommodation first. The govt should help this process.
They should be handed over to their own consulates to deal with.
Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house, they campaign for most other stupid things.
It's only going to get worse
How about sending them back home...
Did you notice the young man who, when he had a job, sent the money home to his family. Not a lot of use to the economy.
Brace yourselves because come January 2014 there will be loads more swarming in and it will become a common sight (if not the norm), and nothing's being done to prevent it simply because no one gives a toss!
Round them up, ship them home and impose lifetime bans them. They obviously have no affiliation with, or respect for us so why are they here?
Welcome to EU
I find the majority of the comments today extremely unchristian.
Will we ever get our Country back? I could cry when I read articles like this. Surely somebody can do something.
How are those old women allowed in as it's quite apparent they cannot work so should be sent back home.
It isn't their fault. They were born into poverty, are seeking a better way of life and see chances in this country. The problem lies with lack of proper migration controls, irresponsible social engineering by the last government, a present government unwilling and/or incapable of cleaning up the mess and Brussels who, despite having unlimited rescources, have failed to deal with the problems of former Eastern block countries entering the EU.
I've heard that there's some shocking advertising in Eastern European countries showing their own people sleeping rough and begging on the streets of London, saying: 'A job abroad can lead you to this.'
Sick to the teeth of this. We are doomed.
They all need putting on a plane Nd sending home. They need to offer them a trip home when it's winter because they won't be sleeping in these places then?
Surely we can find them some nice council houses, or pay for their private accommodation - we are a bunch of softies, after all. I despair!
When the Muppets (Mr Cameron Therese May & Co) let in Millions of Migrants into Britain what do You Expect ?? ... Tax payers have to pay for them (Like it or Not) Health-Care housing Food Dentists Legal Aid Ect Etc because they have No Work & No Money......Mr Ed/Labour are just hopeless so Britain is Doomed until the people find Real-Men Real-Leaders & an EU-Referendum on Freedom ASP.
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
if this people have no legal income - uk have the right to send them back.
I'm fed up with people taking us for a ride This economic migrancy and all the problems it brings has got to outweigh any benefits we get from being part of the EU
Enough moaning, time to take the Lib-Lab-Con to court for treason
UKIP for me next time round in polls, had enough of living in a country that is run by the EU.......
Why aren't they deported?
Should fit in well with the millions of other immigrant's we have here in South London we cant get enough of em
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu?
This country is turning into a joke, you may as well not even call it England anymore. what would our great granparents think after they fought and risked there lives for this country and for what for foreign nationals to xome in and make it theres. I am 100% englsih but you feel like your the one living in a different country, you cant get benefits when needed but yet these get offered houses, benefits everything JOKE
Just put them on the plane home - no arguments.
As much as I'm all for helping those who are less fortunate, this just isn't on. If they want to sleep on the streets they can do so in their own country. If you want to come to the UK, bring a skill set or enough money to pay your way legally (i.e. no caravans). This wouldn't be tolerated in front of Buckingham Palace so why is it tolerated elsewhere? The law should be consistent.
Then every day everything left behind should be thrown away, if they have no sleeping items they will go home, perhaps now would be the time for a leaflet drop telling them how to hand themselves in.
Does anyone else remember the good old days, when only British citizens could get benefits or use the NHS? How I long for those days to come back. Red arrow away......
This was inevitable! The government have had three years, but have done absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening!
It is not January 2014 yet either, this is just the start.
Why are we allowing this to happen, time for action now!
Thank you Tony Blair.
Deport them.
This Country is ruined, thanks you Tony Blair, and Cameron and Clegg. UKIP for me this time.
and any time we try to deport them, we can't because of their HUMAN RIGHTS. Soft touch Britain.
Round them up and send them home!
Everybody's got to be somewhere! Might come a time with us brits leave this country and love for refuge else where...impossible scenario? Think about it.
I don't understand. No job, no money to support yourself, no accommodation - why are they let in in the first place? The EU gives right of movement, why doesn't the UK say well OK as long as you have all three conditions aforementioned in place?
Is this what has become of Britain? Vagrants turning a National monument and beautiful gardens into a doss house and a human toilet? It's a national disgrace!
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever...
Act. Next election vote for a party that will do something about all of this. Otherwise...please keep quiet and accept what you vote for.
If it was me smoking crack and dossing round a London Park, I would be in a police cell ASAP.!!!!
Welcome to soft touch Britain, disgrace!!
They are usually youngish and there's normally a couple of females that stay with them, but they look really young, perhaps only 18.' ========== Why do women go with losers?
Well, i dont like this. But obviously the majority do, otherwise UKIP would be getting far more votes.
Cast your minds back to the student that peed on a war memorial. He was charged and convicted of some offence or other that I forget. My point is that these morons are showing similar disrespect our war dead and deserve punishing. Where are you our police Force. Are you upto the challenge or not!
How disrespectful! I just really can't get my head around why more and more immigrants are being let in the country? I dread to think what England will be like in 10-20 years time.
>>>>And the European dream rolls on, just why are the Easter states being allowed to join the EU? With their poverty just becoming a millstone around everyone's? >>>> Clear them all out, and sod the EU>>>>
James, Reading: I agree, send them to where the politicians have to work, let them live there. Then we might get this debris off the streets and back to their own country! Sort the mess out there then they just might stay. Or dump them on their respective embassies lawns and make them stay there!
I¿m embarrassed to be English we are nothing but a joke
Just kick them out of the country? I really dont understand what the problem is.
Disgusting.... What a sorry state to see our once beautiful country in, unfortunately a lot of people are not bought up to respect there surroundings, many immigrants consider it acceptable to live in this country like they would in their own... For example, i very much doubt the british homeless would leave drug paraphenalia, used condoms and their own excrement in such a place of beauty, there is places for such behaviour...... due to immigration.... GB is finished
God help us in 10 years time, I dread to think what we will be come, I know English will be a minority language and we will be a minority in our own country with no rights whatsoever and having everybody elses forced upon us.
UKIP seems to be the only hope we have of sorting this mess out and getting our country back. They'll DEFINITELY get my vote come the next election.
it will all be solved in January when the local government will ahve to find them all homes and acomadation....... ain't it a joke.
Blame the EU headquarters in Brussels !
And we'll no doubt be seeing a lot more of this in January 2014 when Romanians and Bulgarians are allowed free transit throughout Europe. Thanks EU.
It's going to be shambles next year
And Cameron is now handing out over £50million in aid to Syrian rebels! Charity SHOULD begin at home but apparently MPs think differently to us! This madness has to stop! The £50million would have been far better spent in clearing this rabble off our streets, and preventing more arriving here!
If this is happening every morning where are the police?
just ship them out if they can afford drugs, condoms, beer etc they can afford to pay for there own way home. enough is enough.
thousands more on the way, get used to it. all coming for the free benefits, "FREE" that I pay my hard earned taxes for. free for them, but we tax payers having been paying in for years. put them all on an island off the coast, with tents, and no social, see how long they want to stay.
Lets hope he tries the No. 10 doorway next, they should give him a good 'E.U.' welcome, after all with the right 'human rights' applied he may want to vote to stay in the E.U.!............Con. member, for now.
Go home and stop littering up our city. I'm sick of seeing this. If you want to come to this country you should prove you have employment and money in the bank.
reptile said, Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out. I agree with you Reptile. Hopefully the "sorting out" extends to arranging and more importantly PAYING FOR flights taking them home.
You know the answer. UKIP.
Blame Tony!
Council officials and police in London blame the unwanted visitors for a surge in begging, pickpocketing, shoplifting and anti-social behaviour. ============================= That was always predictable. They should be blaming New Labour, Blair and Brown who adopted the "open borders" policy for self-centred political reasons and let them all into the UK. Having said that, Cameron's lot have done NOTHING to stop the rot, and with a further flood of Rumanians about to hit us in 4 months time. Why are our politicians so utterly out of touch, inept and useless ?
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
I wonder how many natives would be allowed to get away with it!!!
Making the UK a better place. The idiots in government need to open their eyes!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel, London, 6/9/2013 10:02.............Pretty pointless in the long run though! Moving them on... If they are arrested at all, one peep of 'Human Rights' and they're soon released right back into this god-forsaken country!
Where are useless Plod?
Just look at old those Ladies are ..!! What are they good for Workwise..? If you or i tried emigrating to a foreign country with absolutely no money and in our seventies we would be told we haven't got a hope in Hell ..! Oh and I bet they can't speak a word of English .! This seriously needs to be dealt with ...NOW
This only happens because it is allowed to happen..that's it in a nutshell ! These people have no visible means of support, no work, no money, no accommodation, they are in legal terms vagrants and as such should be subject to a legal remedy, which is to remove them to a place where they came from, they have a country to go to and no doubt relatives and friends to turn to for help. So collect them , document them and put them on a flight back to their Country of origin. simple...IF OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO !
Lots and lots more to come next year courtesy of the EU open borders and the Lisbon Treaty. London will be totally swamped .......mark my words, you have seen nothing yet...!!!
No where to go? Hang on they were offered FREE flights home? So they DO have some where to go.
They actually go across the road to a shelter where nuns feed and allow them to shower and return later
Next year should be interesting, judging by unofficial (true) numbers. It'a also amazing how they move them on from the affluent areas so quickly, anywhere else and it'd be months.
Tip Of The Iceberg. Vote UKIP!
Get Mary Beard and other assorted lefty's to clean it up.
At least they are using condoms!
Yet MP's can't understand why the UN has sent Raquel Rolnik to the UK on a fact finding mission about housing conditions?
No money No home No self respect, send them home on the first plane. Glad Greece does not tolerate this.
It makes me so proud. Thank heavens the European flag flies over every Government building, as our Euro MP's slave long into the night, on their paltry salaries, fighting to supply us with more of these wonderful people. Don't forget; the Labour party told us that immigration was a GOOD thing, and that our country NEEDS people like this to be a better place. It must be true because they would have let us have a vote on it if it was at all in doubt. Hurrah for immigration. Hurrah for Europe. Hurrah for our wonderful politicians. One day we will understand why they have done this to our country; and I am sure that we will all be grateful.
They are trespassing, fine them if they don't have money make them clean up the city, they won't hang around for very long if there is nothing for them.
Flippin heck when is this country going to get a grip and sort out this mess
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
I personally care more about these fellow human beings than some memorial that I never have nor will visit. Some people needs to sort of their priorities or maybe I am the last good person in the world?
Something which the Pro-EU brigade never mentions. They've made these people homeless with false hope.
This is past ridiculous.
Comment readers are actually falling for this!! How dumb are you? Read the story. It says, we get rough sleepers here during every summer. So every summer there are homeless people sleeping there, this isn't news then. How many homeless people are foreign in the UK? Loads.
They are laughing at us, people, but not as much or as loud as our politicians are, especially the old and the new Labour rats.
WELCOME TO BRITAIN, the doss house of every country in the world, I dread to think what 2014 will bring with the influx that is expected !!!!!.
Why aren't they arrested for vagrancy? I bet if they were British they would be.Why the softly, softly approach? I used to love going down to London for the weekend, but you wouldn't catch me down there now, it's a dump.
sick of these people , sick of cameron why doesnt he startt to sort his own country out before he starts on syria and the like ?
Get the fire brigade in with their hose pipes to clean up the mess and wake them up - perhaps they wouldn't be there again. Disgusting. March them to their own Embassy and let them sort out the problem by sending them back to where they belong.
Why are they allowed here? Uk is being laughed at by people around the world.
disgusting.. round em all up and kick em out!
If they are sleeping on streets and have no job they should have no choice they should be sent back to there own country .
Migrants should not be allowed into this country unless they have somewhere to live a job and have medical insurance and £10,000 in cash.
I don't understand this at all. Are there not homeless shelters? Can't you cordon off monuments at night? We don't have the EU problem but it is abominable. It must be abolished. It is vile to allow this in sacred areas. What are the solutions for this that show that your country means business and will not tolerate this behavior. It is disgusting.
They shouldn't have a choice whether to go back home or not, it should be instant deportation on the spot.
where's plod, this more important than fining motorists.............
Are these the people we want in this country ? Blair and Brown opened our borders for every down and out to come here and look what we are left with . Camp them outside their MANY houses and flats they own and then see what happens ,
You can't come into the country uses you have an official letter saying you have a on. Simple.
will only get worse
Get the water cannons out.
Maybe they should sleep outside the homes (on in their gardens) of all MPs and the PM, see how they like it. So few decide so much for so many. It's ok for those in power, they don't have to deal or put up with this, the rest of us do. I am so sad at what has happened to my country. It will only get worse come January and in the future when other Eastern European countries join.
the worlds dumping ground.
This country is at boiling point regarding immigration. Someday soon, the bubble will burst, and all hell will let loose.
No Work, No Job, No income, Simple! NO WAY YOU STAY HERE! Ship them all back home, it is NOT England's job to take in the waifs and strays of the EU; in spite of what those clowns in Brussels say!
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy?
You don`t see any on College Green - it`s right outside Parliament. Maybe a few there would concentrate Cameron`s attention on the fact that his beloved EU is opening our doors to thousands more of them in January. And yet the DM, which regularly makes headlines over immigration, is fond of deriding UKIP who are the only party committed to putting a stop to it.
"We do have to clean up after them unfortunately". What utter nonsense- do you think, for one minute that Parisian workers would put up with this? Read the accounts of what happened in Paris, e.g. outside the Louvre. They didn't just shrug their shoulders and give in-they stopped work and marched on the government department in charge. At times I'm so sick of this country.
these pictures make me feel sick and whose doing anythng about it!?!? its actually getting worse. av said it before sayng again av never voted but its UKIP next time like. this country is in a mess and it scares me!
Can't these people be given benefits and a council home? Best sort out this problem before the rest of them come to this tiny island of ours.
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all.
I am sorry, but that is just wrong. People take their chances when they come in this manner, doesn't mean that should be allowed to sleep where ever. It's not right for the people to clean up after them either, I think shows a sign of no self respect, having someone clean up you, clean it yourself you are to camp like this. These people just don't care, it's all what they want to do. I don't mean to be harsh, but at least pick up after self, and have some control. How do they get into the country?
Looks like rain this Weekend ;)
Get rid of them!
A modern day plague...
Yuk. I never voted for my country to change, it's turned into a dumping ground. If they're going to keep coming, keep them in London where the government might actually notice them.
Must be the only country in the world you can come with no job or funds or address... Cess pit
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!!
Out of work, well should not have been let in without a place to stay, money and a job, get real people go home we do not want you here.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have. - parky77, Manchester, uk, 6/9/2013 11:20------depends how you qualify "sink". I reckon it did that ages ago
So can a tourist also pitch a tent up in Hyde park while on holiday ? Free and great location .... Seriously though when is enough enough beyond a joke the public should keep phoning the police till something is done
i just have no idea what planet our government are on. the country is full, dont let any one else in till the population drops. simple
The results of a big heart and a weak government, lets hope we have a really bad winter.
Yet another reason for us to elect a UKIP Government at the next election!
It's absolutely ruined the 2am cruise. Get them out and give us back our gardens.
- Hunsa, Somewhere in London, 6/9/2013 10:32 - Actually the easiest thing to do is read them the EU regulations about free labour movement and not being allowed to sponge off other countries and then forcibly remove them. If they have no job, no money and
The government cannot stop the east Europeans from migrating to the UK because of the EU treaty, but still far more people from Asia and Africa are migrating to UK than from eastern Europe. What is the government doing to stop them?
send them back they are no use here its a disgrace
Throw em out the country!
It's a "trailer" for 1st January 2014. Why isn't this madness stopped. Put them all on a plane to return them to their own country & don't let anymore in. EU passage is rubbish how many true Brits want to settle in the countries these scourge have come from. Bit one sided isn't it? Close our boarders now & have a referendum now to get us out of this one sided mess.
I suggest the place is cleaned with a high pressure hose. Particularly while they are still present.
Cameron is more bothered about going in to Syria than he is about sorting this country's problems!
Perhaps some of the Employers that frequent these articles and constantly tell us that East Europeans have better work ethics than us Brits can nip down offer them some jobs and get them off the streets... PS: Where are all the benefit haters today with there suggestions of workhouses , vouchers, cleaning the streets etc..
Collect them up and send them home. Or will an outbreak of a serious disease occur before anything is done.
We really can't be having this.Someone must be held responsible for dealing with it & sort it fast.
I also have a similar problem across my street. I live in central London and from when I moved in the number has gone from 5 - 18+. They're very loud late at night, litter, use our doorstep as their public toilet yet the police won't do anything about it. It's disappointing considering how much we (as in everyone) pay to live in London and have it ruined by a small minority with no respect. I'm losing faith.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof. - Andy Stone , Hull, United Kingdom, It is no use blaming the present government. WHO opened the doors, and made it illegal to stop them? Oh!!! Of course it was your beloved Labour Party.
Land of hope and glory More like land of dope and Gorey It makes me weep
Home: This individual sits up among the flowers of the Tibetan Peace Garden and residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go so what the hell are they doing here for gods sack !!
Why aren't they just sent back?
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. - GoodMorning , City of Angel, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 10:51 None of the people mentioned in the article are Russian. Not sure what you are talking about. Blame the EU for allowing poor countries to join the EU for political reasons whose nationals now do not need visas to come to the UK. Unlike Russians who still need visas to travel to all EU countries.
Open door Britain. Politicians don't care because they live in their own closed off section of society...they aren't picky about where their slave class comes from.
These people really are living the dream arn't they, other people thinking of coming to the land of opportunity take note you do NOT get a free house!
we are a joke of a country! pc madness gone wrong.
Arrest them for vagrancy and take them to their Embassy.
Great Britain.....today....not good.
This is what happens when you open the border gates and let the rest of unemployed Europeans in.Surprised NOT!
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country - hash, beds, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:38 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We would get arrested and locked up with a nice big fine if we did this in THIS country.
They're not homeless - they have homes in their own Country. For all our sakes - these people should be obliged to sign a contract when entering this Country - break it for any reason, littering to the worst, and home they go. If they want to appeal, do it from their homeland. We didn't fight for their freedom we fought for our own! Goodbye Britain - you were great.
About time we rounded these people up and dumped them back to where they came from - labeled not wanted, surplus to requirements. What I really think would be unprintable..
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.- GoodMorning, City of Angel, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:51 +++++++++++ What are you talking about, there is no Soviet Union anymore. Everybody was so happy when the Soviet Union was broken up, well the chickens are coming home to roost now, in Britain.
Looks like Dave has a big ''to do'' list...so once he gets back from sorting the Syrian situation out and throwing 300 million there,will he will come back and sort his own back garden out....How can it be that within a few paces of one on the worlds leading financial centres there are homeless,distitute people sleeping rough...and defacing memorials that honour the price our young men and women paid for their freedom to do so....
can someone please tell me what is the point when they are all invited back in january anyway ?? what a disgrace and a laughing stock we have become cameron needs to be ousted now !!!
take all their litter and deliver to number 10, until that happens they will do nothing
UK becoming USA....:(.
The shiny new Britain that the Labour Party created, millions in poverty, schools and hospitals unable to cope, incurable TB on the increase and crime rocketing. Thanks for your open door policy on immigration, our nation owes the Labour Party a great debt of gratitude!
and we allow this WHY?
Oh please someone give them a home
But they DO have homes - Back in their own countries. Why should we have to put up with it? The EU's own rules state that you must be able to support yourself and have 3 months to find a job - if not then you are not allowed to be a drain on the host country's resources and must go home. How about Cameron starts enforcing it instead of throwing petulant tantrums about not getting his own way over Syria. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!!!!
go HOME! or face arrest please
wait until next year. Our country will even more classed as third world
So they can afford condoms, drugs and beer. It might help if Plod enforced the law when they can drag themselves out of the nearest McDonalds or kebab shop which appear to be London`s "unofficial" police stations these days
Put them on a military transport plain and send them back where the came from.Forget those idiotic EU rules.
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37......................Don't suppose you'll be offering up your bed? Thought not.
give me back my country and sack all politicians
MPs SEE THIS,, or as always turn a blind eye,, close our boarders,,get out of the EEC,
Time to purge, you choose how.
Simple, at border control ask for prove of residence and confirmation of employment. If this cannot be provided, turn them around and send them back. Not exactly rocket science is it?
I think it was John Major who signed the OPEN DOOR treaty at Maastrict. I wonder what he will be thinking when he sees the results of his actions?
this boys and girls is where any austerity measure savings are going. Cleaning up after them, housing them, paying them benefits. we are being robbed under the watch of lib lab and con. We need to change, will another party be just the same? For sure voting the same over and over will not change things. A vote for ukip is a vote for labour - LIES. A vote for any other party than lib lab con is a vote for your childrens future IMO.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The soft touch liberals can call me whatever they want, but I do not want these people in my country!
The EU right to roam needs to be enforced on the basis that it was intended, namely to work in any country. It does not give the right to doss and become criminals. Ship all unemployed EU roamers home. Perhaps a condition of entry should be some form of bond that would ensure their return if they become unemployed.
They're having a laugh, get them out.
I wish our useless government would forget about sticking their nose into the business of others, and do something about the state of Britain, before we are sleeping on the streets of other countries!
Big deal
Good luck to them. These people are made of hard stuff!
These people shouldn't have the option of being asked if they want a free flight back to where they came from,they should be rounded up and sent back anyway. London looks like it is becoming a pig sty.Disgusting.
Make them build a raft and get home them self why should we pay, they should not be here in the first place.
If they have no job, no house, no money, how did they get here in the first place, how did they pay the fare? Or did they get in the back of a lorry?
They should be immediately deported. I fear this will only get worse when we allow Romanians in
Will UKIP deport them?
Vote UKIP and they'll be gone -
This is what happens when professional politicians run a country, no life outside the hallowed halls of power, so fail to see the mistakes they make and the results there of.
Hose them down with water. That will move them on!
And your words of wisdom Blair are.... Get out of the madness that is the EU VOTE UKIP
Come out of the EU then round these people and send them back from wence they came.Simples
Hose them down, a nice drop of cold water from a water cannon should do the trick nicely.
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
As Jack Straw would say this is modern Britain, The New labour project that is bearing the fruits of their lust for voters, to stay in power.
Putin is absolutely right about this country. Our politicians have sold us out. His oligarchs do own Chelsea and these lot degage our nations pride.
These are not your normal emigrants, Lithuania for example is not a poor country and the people I have worked with from there are hard working intelligent people. These people are transients who move to wherever they think the pickings are better, and that means wandering from country to country scrounging.
I've worked in Mayfair for many years. In the past few months one particular road I go down on the walk from the station to the office, has started to be used as a public meeting place and toilet (for both pee and poo). The smell in the morning is overpowering. I've complained to Westminster City Council and to be fair they acted really quickly and the pavement and walls are now washed down daily and the rubbish is cleared. Homeless people have always been in the area, but what's changed that the homeless now use the streets as public toilets? Oh, hang on a minute . . . .
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Thank you labour and con rats.
Get real this is the future...self inflicted by our 650 MPs... We can expect more of the same ... As 650 MPs have no committment to want to control immigration to a basic well unforced controllable level... ... some of our MPs appear to be a liability in controlling the UKs best needs ... Of the majority... in years to come it will cost the uk dearly in local conflicts and aggrovation to all... We could end up with mini townships like south Africa as increased homeless flood th uk...in the next 25 years...as spendable income reduces year on year for so many...Reported 45,000 empty shops in the UK and growing ... is a bad bad sign .. Of where the uk is heading...
They or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in unless they can prove they have a residence and place of employment.
Offered free flights home but they're choosing to stay? There should be no choice available to them and they should be returned to wherever they came from!
One word... Porta-loo (or is it two?) Problem solved though!
Britain deserves what it gets - this is what happens when Liberal do gooders dictate the immigration policy a country for too long.
Well done Labour.
That's disgusting, why the Police aren't doing anything? Send them back home ASAP
any other country will just ship them out (including other European countries) but UK is weak.
All part of the EU's contribution to european exports, the communities dross, and funded by, you guessed correct, taxpayers !!!
This would not be tolerated in their own countries. Come on wake up for gods sale UK government. STOP this insult to god fearing, tax paying, law abiding UK citizens.
Why the government allow this to happen in the first time? Because they are IRRESPONSIBLE THEY DONT REALLY CARE and put all the population to live with this disgrace situation - THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS UK SHOULD CUT WITH THE LIBERALS OF THE EU they were are and will be a bunch of lazy politicians without any progressive sought
EUROTRASH!!
This makes my blood boil, it should be like Australia, no job or skill and you not allowed into the country. I would say our country is too soft but it's the EU that control the UK these days.
Send them back!!!!!!!
Wait until they can all come here legally. This problem has only just started. But Cameron will not know tucked up in his 1 million pound house.
And this is the taste of what's to come but on a mass scale, R.I.P. UK
Well done Labour.
surely if they are homeless and not contributing to society they should be deported? Why would they want to live here is there is nothing for them? I am not against immigrants but coming to England to be homeless is just insane.
Just send them home under EU rules you must have a job and somewhere to live,what is going on!!
They are homeless! Regardless of age, religion or nationality homeless people deserve our compassion. What sort of society are we if we can't show a bit of compassion to the most vulnerable. I am a bit disgusted at some of the comments. Red arrow away it only proves my point!
David Cameron & all his cronies have let this happen, let them deal with it. That's what they get paid for.
So when will that somebody we elected to run the country have the guts to sling them out - EU or no EU!
Why are they not moved on or prosecuted for trespass?
Get rid of them
Who would have imagined the import of homeless...beggars belief.
And it is going to get much worse, thanks new Labour,vote UKIP its our ONLY hope,
Where are they getting the money to buy the beer, drugs etc?
When I enter Canada and the U.S.A every time they ask where you are staying, and the date of your return flight. so why not put in in place in the U.K. and it takes so little time.
welcome to the Doss House of the world, 2013 GREAT Britain. What a shambles.
Being work shy got nobody anywhere ever
They evict them. They come back. Close the borders, send them home don't let any more in. The price of belonging to europe - is a price too high.
It's a free world. No one in this country created this world therefore it is not owned by anyone. Welcome to Britain
London is quite mild in winter compared to the Baltic be prepared for more to arrive
You stupid people haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till this time next year. You don't realise just what you are letting yourselves in for. It will make the last Polish invasion , and make no bones about it that is exactly what it is, look like a trickle.
We couldn't do that in their country!
We MUST vote UKIP they are the ONLY party that WILL get us OUT of the EU and has the KAHUNA'S to sort the endless problems being a member of the EU has brought to OUR country. We must get control of OUR laws (75% are made by the EU) money (56 million a day to the EU/12 billion overseas aid a year and rising) borders and way of life, which has been destroyed by the EU LOVING lib/lab/con!!!!!!!
And that´s what happens when you let poor European countries that are poor like the developing countries, into the EU. This is just the beginning....And you people thought that Immigrants from your former colonies were/are bad!
Why, if they don't have a permanent abode or British Citizenship, are they not taken straight to a flight back to where they came from? Like it or not!
get rid NOW ! and vote UKIP
Cameron : DO SOMETHING
They should only be allowed in if they have jobs lined up, no chancers and free loaders
It is not their fault.
Istead of offering free flights home how about forcing them on a plane home! If they are polluting our streets and are unable to find a home then ship them back to where they came from.
I hope its a long hard winter!
WHY ARE THEY BEING MOVED ON, THEY SHOULD BE LOADED IN A VAN AND DUMPED BACK ON THE CONTINENT!!!! Why are they here?? they have no means to provide for themselves, they don't speak English - WE ARE A JOKE, TO THEM, GROW A SET CAMERON AND CO, AND GET RID OF THIS SCUM!!!!! If anyone wishes to live in another country you HAVE to show immigration your bank account, have means, skills, qualifications and family who will support you, what is wrong with having the same rules FOR EVERYONE!!!!
Cameron and chums couldn't care less , Milliband and Clegg wont even talk about it . Most politicians are being very British about immigration , I.E sticking their heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out . There is only UKIP , anything else is burying our heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out .
Camoron and all you other MP idiots, take note and let's hope you don't have this outside your homes, very doubtful
This is the state of the country Cameron is trying to defend. Actions speak louder than words!
Lol, what a dump the UK is becoming... It will be cold soon so lets just cut to the chase and sweep out all the exhibits so they can kip in the museum itself where they will be warm...
Disgusting
What if we all behaved like this? Well, a) there would be no room for them to hang their clothes on our treasured sites, and b) there would be no-one paying into the social security to pay their benefits. For crying out loud Dave, you're the person we entrusted to look after our country. No wonder the Russians think we are weak.
Firstly. They are not going to have any concerns about our history, (you could say why should they, it's not their country). These are desperate people. I feel sorry for them, as they come from an excluded group in their own country. But, that doesn't mean to say I am happy for them to be over here. They offer us only problems and should be deported forthwith. Thank you EUSSR. Time to take control of our borders.
Arrest and deport them under the vagrancy act. Fine them for littering. Arrest them for lewd behaviour. Arrest them under the use of class a drugs. Etc etc
the deputy prime minister should act now and as the PM has other pressing issues would gain the public vote in showing some bottle to regain our country from the evil of the EU and unwanted immigration...
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. They are not Russians-Russia is NOT in the EU and wouldn't want to be!. Facts right first please!!
How about if they clutter and ruin our priceless monuments like the ingrates they are, they have to do community services. clean up their own mess then everyone elses, not a prison sentence though, that will give them what they want. Repeat offenders are deported out the country.
Reading stuff like this INCENSES me. It is high time to remove these 'people' from our streets and despatch them from whence they came and NO APPEALS. Stuff the EU beaurocrats! And you know what volcano, Italy - there is NO point in having border controls because there AREN'T ANY CONTROLS
WHY? Are we not deporting these people? They are NOT working migrants, NOT working, They turn our parks and gardens into rubbish tips,. This incompetent government has a lot to answer for with their shambles on immigration!!
Soon this will be British people due to the problems in part caused by IDS and the bedroom tax also the constant attacks on the poor.
'They was offered free one way flights home, but the chose London streets instead' why are they being given the option?! Just load them up and send them back!
Enough is enough. Stop this by standing up to the E.U. and changing the law....quickly!
Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are you reading this. You brought them over here for more votes now you are not in power you wash your hands of them, shame on you.
When January comes....just you wait.
Just round them up and on the first plane back to where they came from..France.
Hooray for the EU.. Come and use our country as a toilet. ;-(
Get the Spanish police to move them.....they don;t mess around!
we need to change our rules and only let in from the eu countries those that have accommodation and only allow two years work permit, no benefits at all. if Spain and Greece are not giving any medical help then we must do the same. the rules must be the same for all that's the whole point of the eu!
Wait while next year, what you see now will be nothing compared to then.
It seems in this country no one cares if you destroy churches or any spiritual monument. However, if a war monument is touch everyone gos crazy. Since when did we become a war obsessed nation? We have stop thinking about what happens after death and instead work on ways of creating machines to bring about other people's deaths.
I thought everyone loved everyone?. That whole 'we are all equal' speech I hear daily on here about sexual, racial discrimination. When it's our money on the line, greed comes out. Hypocrites.
Blame her majestys goverment not the eastern european dossers.
these people should be kicked out immediately - why they are even allowed to spend the night there? It is a disgrace. The PRIDE to have a great country is really gone... we are run by muppets.
Wait till January!
No where to go?... how about HOME!
Tony Blair has loads of property that is rarely used, why not house them there? Cherie can then do all her 'human rights' work from home - sorted.
if they are sleeping rough they should be deported as they are clearly not contributing anything to the uk
I thought the whole point of the freedom of movement within the EU was that people could move to WORK freely in the member states. I did not realise it gave the whole of the EU permission to doss in the UK and receive benefits! Why on earth are we letting them in without work or a place to live?!
This is depressing. And this at the same time we read that primary schools are coming under pressure for places - this is partly down to too much immigration as well. At the end of the day we are a small island with limited resources - we just simply can't take any more!
so how many Syrians do you think hes gonna let in
Well why let them in the country in the first place? - nicola , glasgow, 06/9/2013 10:15>>>>>>>I had always believed the open borders were for seeking employment, yet some of the women appear to be much older, I cannot believe they are seeking work. I wonder what the reaction would be if we all arrived on mass in other EU cities parks and squares?
Where are the boys in blue??????????????????????????
I am tired of DM calling all of former soviet block countries "eastern Europeans". Most of former yougoslavian contres are Balcan region, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia is Central Europe, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are Northern Europe and so on. If would be the same if I started calling uk, Italy and France Western Europe and saying that Italians with distinctive Mediterranean features look like Anglo Saxons reporting another wild stag party somewhere in Baltic states. Please, name the country and not a former political block. Otherwise it gives bad name to all other countries assossiated with that terminology.
This is a communist country now so get used to it , because more of the same is coming and our bought for politicians couldn't care less .
Just the tip of the Iceberg wait until next year they will be everywhere. And the members of the Houses of Wasteminster will do nothing.
If I go to America I have to give an address for where I am staying. So why East Europeans can simply turn up with no where to go is wrong. They have somewhere to go - Home. All the Addresses for MPs should be published with transport links to their Gardens. Once camped outside these locations lets see how quickly something is done about the problem.
our government is a bloody joke they should have never have been allowed in to the UK in the first place - operate a system like Canada or Australia - if you've a trade and money to bring to our economy ok, if you've nothing, then no thank you. why should we, the hard working taxpayer fund these scroungers, we don't want them, the crime rate rises, and they are a complete public nuisance, when oh when will they wake up to this?!!!
if they have no job and are sleeping rough the flight home should not be optional
If they have no residence technically they cant get a job. So they are ILLEGAL!!!! Next boat out !!!!!!!
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless?
Ah, the joys of EU membership.
Send them back from whence they came! They clearly do not have the means to support themselves as they have no jobs and no home, so will most likely beg and steal from us. They have very low morals and hygiene standards. Why should the honest British taxpayer have to put up with this?
I'd say move them outside of MP's homes but they all seem to have second homes miles away that we pay for as well. This will only get worse, the border agency admits immigration is out of control and they don't know how to stop it!
Your comments: Arrest them for vagrancy, and then deport them first taking their DNA so they can be checked if they try to get back in, BRITIAN is becoming the cesspool of Europe!!!.....voteUKIP
When will our country learn? I'm sure other countries wouldn't allow this.
Round them up, ship them out...
Send them all to where they came pdq.
Send round a police van. Take their details, finger prints etc. Straight to the airport. Deport same day. Job done.
UKIP
If they have no work then kick them back to where they came from!
How about giving them directions so they can go and sleep outside Theresa Mays house and she can pick up their used condoms and excrement?
A good cold winter will get rid of them.
Wait till the EU ban comes off this should be spectacular mwhaha
...it's a direct result of the Tony and Cherie comedy show.
sorry but theres no way i would want to live in london now days hgopefully the weather will sort them out
Why dont a police officer walk round EVERY morning and night and move them a long. I mean what are my taxes paying for? Its not hard.
Stop letting them through the god dam borders then
Nicola It is very simple. Under European law they cannot be stopped from entering the UK. Do not blame the police or Border Force as they can do nothing about it. Until we leave the EU we are stuck with these people whether we like it or not.
They can always go home.
If they have no where to live that has hygiene and toilet facilities they should be collected up and sent home. Or is the government going to wait until some serious epidemic breaks out.
Let them sleep rough outside No 10 perhaps then David Cameron will realize this sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue, plus see what staying in the E.U. results in.
Who is 'His Holiness' ?
pick them up and move them out back to Eastern Europe by the bus load
think this is bad wait till January 01st 2014!!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel , London, 06/9/2013 10:02..YEAH BUT thjey simply move elsewhere so the problem doesn't go away it just re locates!
Throw them out!
Just thank David Cameron for this........ he must be so proud off his achievements ...
What`s happened to the vagrancy laws?
Stayed at Park Lane recently where they hang out around the entrance to the tube, ignored their begging, but still intimidating to a woman with 3 kids, a blight on our fab city.
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
The came here illegally, they have no reason to stay. They should be deported for this, I'm sick of homeless immigrants, some set up camp in the childrens play park by my home, they would get undressed in front of children and it took weeks to convince the council to do anything. If you come here to work, don't have work and don't contribute to society, get the hell out.
Welcome to Blair's Britian.
Not putting anything into the system, yet using up time and money at the expense of the tax payer once again! Pack em up, send em home! We need to adopt the attitudes of the Aussies!
Send the photos and the clean-up bills to Brussels.
Thank you,yet again,Mr.Blair...!
House them next door to all the MP's that voted for this failed social experiment
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
don't allow them get settled in, move them same day, after they have cleared their mess up.
and the problem is only going to get worse next year !
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
If they have no accommodation, they should be booted out...not let loose to go elsewhere.
Deport the bloody lot of them NOW.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart .
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Eastern Europe and its immense opulence and riches.
A bit more attention to our country and a bit less posing on the world stage may not go amiss Cameron.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
Do you think this would happen in Bern? I suspect they would not get in in the first place or if they did cleared out of the country sharp-ish. We are literally and rapidly becoming the toilet of Europe.
Will someone please give them directions to our politician's houses and Westminster. Until the idiots who purport to be in charge have to live with the problems that their ineptitude create nothing will change. The only time our politicians have listened to us is when their jobs, were threatened. Cameron did n't offer us a vote on Europe because it was the right thing to do, he was worried about UKIP. Bear that in mind at the European elections.
That's disgusting
If they are out of work as they claim, then Britain clearly ins't the country for you. Up sticks and try one of the other European countries. They are all just as accessible as you, and some of them even speak your language.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof.
Ive worked in two countries abroad and in order to enter these particular two there was strict entry requirements ,the main being details of work/job as the reason you were coming to the country were mandatory,regardless of being in the European union unless they have a job to come to then they should not be let in!
Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out.
What a sad state of affairs, when are our politicians going to realize that their calling is to run the country for the good of their constituents, and not to turn a blind eye to what is happening to our once green and pleasant land. If our elected representatives feel that they cannot do the job then they should resign and make way for someone who can.
maybe this will shut george galloway up the stupid man wants this.
Why are they 'being offered' free flights home? Surely, if these people do not have a permanent residence and place of work then the flight home should be compulsory not optional? It's time the UK started to get tough on immigration and ignored the 'human rights' brigade.
uk dumping ground for the riff raff
Is it SO difficult to restrict immigrants entering this country unless they have have written proof of a job and somewhere to live - for at least one year after entry. What is the point of border controls????
No sympathy whatsoever, they don't come from war zones or extreme poverty. Go home.
If the people of this country don't vote UKIP at the next election, to end this shameful misuse of our hospitality, then there will be no end to sights like this. Vote UKIP and get us out of the mess that is the EU.
For goodness sake, why can't we deal with this? It's ridiculous, Mr Cameron, SORT.......IT.......OUT.
Bring back the Iron Curtain! Don't blame the EC - it was the fall of Communism that brought about all this.
If they have no where to go what are they doing in Britain and as they are homeless they arn´t there to work are they?
If they arrive here with no money, no job and nowhere to live, turn them away. If they are going to be a burden on the UK, turn them away. Other countries do.
Tony Blair should be made to clear up after these people- after all, he let them come here.
GET US OUT OF THE EU and send these 'benefit migrants' back to any EU country, we do not want them and we cannot afford them. UKIP we need you.
Cameron ... close our boarders before the rest of them pitch up
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
Labour opened the doors to all this nonsense the Tories haven't got the guts to do anything about it. UKIP is the only alternative left.
And it's only going to get worse!
We either need much stronger anti-vagrancy lwas or for the police to start upholding those that we do have.
It is simple, keep moving em on until they go home. Under EU legislation they must be able to support themselves even if "on holiday" - if they are living on the streets you can kick them out. A standard three-month stay is only valid if you have somewhere to stay. Read the damn laws properly and stop pussyfooting around. The main obstacle is that stupid UK judges have totally misunderstood the human rights legislation and their idiot judgements have created cases of precedence.
Bless their souls.
what about the thousands of british born homeless people?? not worth reporting hey DM
Starting in the Spring of 2014, the Government admits that as many as 150.000 more will be arriving in Britain. Independent estimates are more like 1.7 Million.....
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is.
It's a wonder they haven't been offered mansions in central London isn't it.
Declare yourself homeless and move up the council waiting list, they obviously did their homework before arriving in London
But they are cheaper to employ!
This is so wrong but politicians do nothing.
im pretty sure theres still a lot more UK homeless people, but that's not worth reporting is it DM
The UK is an absolute joke! Glad i left when i did.
Over crowded England come to mind!
They need to camp out on parliament green then our politicians might get the message. Too little is being done and the easiest solution has always been is to move them on to the neighbouring boroughs rather than addressing the issues.
the only place you will never see them is outside a politicians house. But they are pretty much every where else.
May be the Department For International Development will buy them a house. They buy one for everyone else.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have.
This is getting ridiculous, thousands of tax payers money is being spent on clearing up their mess every time!
Well why let them in the country in the first place?
Nowhere to go? How about home?
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane.
When is crap going to stop. we need to send this polish back then our own men canwork. its time we looked after our own. Mr. Cameron want to look after the British people, we are feeling let down by this so called government. all his promises were smoke screen he has lied every way. Its time we the British people stood up for their right, you would not see the French standing around and doing nothing. Mambo Marina - stafford
No work for a lot of UK citizens and also no training for 200,000 who could not get into uni this year. Could it be because there are 75-85,000 Chinese students in this country! I only have the figures for Chinese students but I know there are many of Indian, Pakastani, French, Greek etc, etc, etc, Time to emigrate!
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 18/11/2010 Would have to agree with you Chris on your first point. I have had numerous small and large jobs needing doing in my home. I have lost track of the countless times I have left my details on a local (British) tradesmans phone, to either not get a call back, or an appointment is not kept, or they run late, or promise to send a qoute, and then you hear nothing. the odd occasion a job has been tackled, it ends up being bodged, and costing even more to repair I have gone back to my trusty east european worker, who is always on time, tackles any task, small or large, and does it to a very high standard, Sorry Brits You had your chance ansd you blew it!!
Many of the Polish girls working in cafes and restaurants in Scotland have my vote. They're motivated, hard working and can speak better English than the locals - mind you that's not difficult. As one Polish girl serves me and the missus our coffees at Costa some local lad is standing outside selling the Big Issue claiming he can't find a job. In Scotland, we have eastern europeans working on potato farms and berry farms while many Scots just prefer to go on the dole and blame 'the rich/the English/the Tories etc. for their troubles. These excuses are endorsed by left wing politicians. If I was an employer I might prefer the resourceful Polish to the local who has embraced victimhood.
The problem is that all Eastern Europeans will always be prepared to work for far less wages than existing U.K. residents, not because they possess any additional work ethos but because what they get paid is an excellent wage compared to what they would be paid in their own country. So when they return then what they have earned will enable them to live far more comfortably. In comparison, the pathetic wages now offered by British businesses will not allow the average British worker to rise much above the poverty line. No way was that pathetic under estimate by the government of how many Poles would enter the U.K. in the 1st year they were entitled to do so a genuine error. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated a mass influx. The politicians are merely the servants of the banks and businessmen..and businessmen want cheap labour. Why do you think we are now negotiating with Turkey to join the E.U.?
The problem is that it's more lucrative to scrounge benefits and those who've discovered how to milk the system do just that. Polish plumbers still want to work despite this. It's all the others we should be worried about - loafing about watching satellite TV in paid for housing, popping out to their fully funded college courses when the children of taxpaying parents can't afford the fees, with council funded (Polish) nannies looking after their babies during the day at £8 ph, sprogging away without a care in the world because our taxes support their indolence. Hurry up David and Nick. I know there are too many holes to plug but you've got to be quick.
The majority of the Eastern Europeans work cash in hand, and if they can they also claim benefits. This is a fact that the powers that be try to hide. The taxpayer of the UK will eventually be so up to their necks in taxes trying to support this out dated welfare system, that we will sink into the sea under the weight of the problem. British people who have skills to offer are abandoning the UK in their droves. The UK in the future will just be a Country of Dreggs, wouldn't be surprised if eventually we are totally cut off from the rest of the world. As no one will want to trade with us, as we are also a refuge for the terrorists of the world, it seems from the news that we even allow terrorism to flourish within our state school system. The UK is doomed because we continue to elect goverments who see the EU as some sort of Utopia instead of the hell it actually is. Be very careful who you vote for next time, it may be your last chance to vote.
Govt. and business need to work together to ensure that jobs go first to British nationals. Is that so difficult to put in practice? Train our own young population to get ready to fill skill jobs. Govt. has to work harder to reduce immigration for British nationals to fill job vacancies hence reducing stress on welfare handouts. Companies can seek skilled migrants as long as they are prepared to pay for their needs and repatriation. Moreover there is no offer of British passport on the table. You will then find not many companies seeking to bring skill migrants to UK. There are solutions if there is a will.
Big business would rather bring people in from overseas than invest in training UK people themselves. Their claims that the skills are not available here is rubbish - they are responsible for this. They are not interested in training people up because UK workers would expect decent wages unlike those coming in from abroad who will do a skilled job for peanuts. Why and how are thousands of foreign workers being trained if there is no work for them in their own countries? Who is training them? It's stinks rotten and Vince Cable seems to have had a brain bypass since the election. It is also time for the government to start new training initiatives and schemes for getting people ready for work.
I do not agree Poles are taking jobs Britsh will not do !! they are taking all the construction jobs and are working in offices and banks...also I they have loud noisy conversations in their native tongue ,in the streets and on buses ..this is rude..at least people from India have the good manners to converse in English!
Anita, London, I doubt you would take these crappy jobs, were I work the cleaners work up to 12 hours a day have 3, 30 minutes break just get over minimum wage. People are rude to them and they have to deal with their filth. Some of them are British, some are not, they have to push around a trolley all day, after a few years they have back problems. They all want to leave, but who will employ them in a different career, cleaner is the kiss of death, they could try and study but then they are a cleaner with a qualification. A lot of employers for these crappy jobs would rather take foreigners, because they have a stronger work ethic, after all they came here to work and earn as much as possible. Those programs about white unemployed people turning up their noses at work, doesnÂ’t help either. My only complaint is so many have flooded the career I want to get into that I now have to do an expensive course and work for free to have a chance of getting my foot through the day.
This is good news for British workers.We employ teaboys too you know..
As Poland joined the EU and Poles were given access to our labour market, the Home Office assured Ministers that no more than 30,000 would come here. That was a slight underestimate, based on the number of Poles refused entry to the UK in the previous year. The Home Office did not factor in the deterrent effect of the immigration control that we then had. LetÂ’s hear it for the Home Office, folks!
Anita: Do you think Polish people would be happy, having made a good standard of living in their country, their government then opened the doors to people from other, less developed countries? Those people would then flood in and drive down the wages because they're happy to do anything for for half the wages and live ten to a room. That's what happened in Britain. As for the fabled Polish plumbers and electricians? Fine if you want hot water filling your toilet cistern and wall sockets melting when you plug something in. I prefer to use qualified British tradesmen, not clueless amateurs.
Cameron has let the core working class down badly.......and he will rue the day at the next election . Conservatives and LIbDems will be toast at the next election...that's if the country can take this sort of treatment that long.
It gets me when the Govt. and media say these Eastern Europeans are taking "low income" jobs:they are extremely high income jobs to them because their home country has a very low cost of living compared to the U.K. and if that is not unfair competition with our people then what is? Our politicians have got their brains in their backsides or are on the take :are they blind to the fact they are taking away our jobs,our houses ,our freedom,our democracy,our childrens birthright to live in the country for which their forfathers and parents have sacrificed their lives and sweated blood and toil to create? They have thrown down the gauntlet and the fight is now on.There will be only one winner :us.
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals.
Unless the Uk withdraws from the EU there is nothing we can do to stop these people coming here. Equally, how many Irish citizens have come seeking work in the UK since there economy crashed? Publish some figures Dave, if you dare. Dave and Tory Clegg haven't the bottle to remove us from the Eu or even have a referendum on the subject so there is little we can do. Oh, and when Turkey joins, as Dave wants, the floodgates will really open.
SEND THEM PACKING NOT FAIR ON US BRITS GET RID OF THEM NOW
British 20-30 year olds can be devided into two groups. the completely untrained, who expect to earn 2-3000 pounds a month doing labouring jobs, working 5 hours a day and with 8 weeks holiday. The second group are graduates with no job experience, virtually illiterate and with the idea that they should enter the working world as middle management with a 4 hour working day, 3 months holiday, a 5-10,000 monthly pay and an assistant to actually do their job. Is anyone surprised that hard working, highly qualified east europeans are taking the available jobs. This generation of gap year students are mostly unfitted and unwilling to work.
VOTE THE BNP IN NEXT TIME THEY WILL SORT OUT OUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
Neither the EU or uncontrolled immigration has been good for this country if our government won't protect us the only way will be riots and eventually a general strike. Roll on the revolution.
I agree with many of the comments about the Eastern Europeans being hard working and willing to take jobs we Brits don't want to do. However, If this government wants people off benefits and in work then there has to be the jobs and the will power to force the unemployed Brits into that work, no matter how menial. If many of the jobs are going to people outside of this country what chance do we have of achieving that. By all accounts we are supposed to be taking in 40% of the Indains coming to the UK. How does that work when we are far smaller both in size and economy and general infrastructure when compared to other EU contries, namely France and Germany. I'm starting to feel that the UK is either being PUNISHED for not whole heartedly going into the EU State and or we are being used as a DUMPING ground for the EU and its hair brained schemes.
Well from what I have seen many of the British workforce (usually male) want to be paid good money for doing sba and the infuriating thing about it is that many of these people work in companies subsidised by the taxpayer who may only be earning the minimum wage but have no say in the matter. Only this morning there are 2 reports of workers in car plants threatening to go on strike for more pay. Firemen, railway/tube workers, airport crew are notorious for striking at the busiest times of the year to cause the most inconvenience to people. Many workers in the NHS and local government spend more time off sick than they do at work. How often do you employ a plumber, builder, electrician etc and they actually do a good job at a reasonable rate? In my experience not very often. It is no wonder that employers will employ foreign workers is it?
"We need this contribution to our economy where we pay child allowance for migrant workers to send back to their overseas children" said government spokesman Piotr Wzinacsky, as he carried his plumbers tools into No 10.
good or british people...24 hrs...plumbing service....
scameron will never take us out of europe or will any of the others because the all belong to a group called the bilderbergers who have a vested interest in keeping us in ( read up about them ) were trapped and cannot do anyrhing about it I remain anonymous because I am frightened to reveal my true identity
so much for getting emplyment for our own people, they are on a loser.
people of this country dont seem to be allowed to even gain work skills let alone get jobs maybe in this day for taxes a special employment tax should be put on companies to pay to give locals work skills that are needed
I don't understand it when the politicions say that European workers comng here benefit the country. I reckon most of them send the money they earn back home to their families, and that includes and child benefit that they can claim while they are working here, so how does that benifit us, the wages they earn should be spent in the UK supporting local business and manufacturers.
Its about time we looked after our own and to hell with the foreign workers even if it means getting completely out of the EU so we can govern our country again.
Good to hear that there might be some reliable plumbers and builders I might be lucky enough to find in the not too distant future.
Another triumph for the Lib/Lab/Con party. Cameron the shameron all talk and no action.
the wages these migrant workers earn goes out of the country into their polish bank accounts. They dont spend it in our stores restaurants or theatres etc so boosting our economy and paying VAT. It is time we boycotted the employers who take them on, the British employers are to blame !!
Our government realises full well what's going on here. It's obvious that this situaton in utterly ludricrous and flies in the face of it's 'drive' to get people back to work. This being the case, one can only draw the conclusion that there's an ulterior motive somewhere. It seems to make no difference which of the main three parties is in power, nothing changes. After all, we're in the unique situation where all three have been in power. What is the REAL reason that hundreds of thousands of immigrants are allowed to come and go as they please, claim benefits from day one and generally bleed us dry? We badly need someone in infuence to take up the cause of the British people. Someone who won't cave in at the first whisper of that over-used, much abused word 'racism'. Someone with the strength of character to stand up to the EU and PC bigots and tell them that enough is enough. If someone does, they'll find that they have an avalanche of support.
The last government & this shower have said immigrants from the former Soviet Block would make enough money to set up a business at home then leave. Anyone with any sense knew it was a blatant lie. Labour wanted them because they thought they would say thank you by voting for them. The glib/dems/cons want them because cheap labour means more profit for business & more tax revenue for government. At the end of the day, along with international prestige, that's all any government cares about It's UKIP for me next time.
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
We may not like it - but at least these guys come to WORK not sponge! Perhaps - for every working immigrant we could swap one of our lazy dossers?
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide, South australia So it's ok for you to go between Australia and the UK to work but it's not ok for Polish people? Get real Lynda. I see so many anti-immigration comments from expats in Thailand, New Zealand, Australia and beyond...can you not see your hypocrisy?
Plumbing - a 'lower-income' job..............do me a favour - its £50 and hour minimum.
WHY UK....do this to they own peoples??In Italy...is a different matter...jobs for the locals...no priority to east EU....
And why not they can claim for invisible kids?
Where/how are they finding these jobs? Where are the job ads? I can only think the jobs are being advertised abroad - they certainly aren't advertised here. I work in local govt and there's a good chance I'll lose my job. I am constantly looking at job sites and in the papers - yes, there are a few jobs, but if you look on, say, Reed.co.uk, the jobs have in excess of 100 applicants within a couple of days of them being listed. Having had previous experience of agencies, most of these so called jobs have already gone, but have not been deleted from the websites. TBH, I just despair of this country. Things cannot go on this way... before long half the indigenous population with be unemployed and there will be civil war. Why our glorious leaders cant see this is beyond me. I guess it doesnt affect them as most of them are multi millionaires anyway or landed gentry.
I'd employ a Polish builder over a British one any day of the week. Do I want a hardworking person who will do a good job for a reasonable price or do I want a tea-drinking good-for-nothing workshy person who will do a crap job and try to charge me extortionate prices? Wow, so hard to choose.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW and close the borders to immigrants from anywhere in the world. Carrot pickers, plumbers, pick pockets, drug runners, pimps, forgers, metail thieves, identity fraudsters, terrorists, muggers and murderers etc are NOT NEEDED. Even immigrants like NHS nurses, carers, hospital porters and cleaners, pizza delivery drivers, call operators, petrol pump staff etc COULD be fulfilled from trained up British unemployed. It is madness to rely on cheap, foreign labour when our own people are entitled to do the work which IS out there. Benefits should be adjusted so it is better for our unemployed to do that work.
Is Labour still in power then ?
this is how it looks dole for brits. cheap labour for the bosses. time to stop all these people coming in.
Its all about cheap and highly subsidised labour at the manual level for the Businesses, nothing more. This is the Tories. They will pay to keep people out of work as long as the businesses can get cheap workers without any rights whatsoever. They win, tax payers loose. Normal Tories.
The whole situation is a farce. It makes no sense whatsoever to have millions of people on the dole but at the same time fill what jobs there are with foreign labour. Who is actually paying them less than the minimum wage as that is surely illegal!!!! Government and business need to come together so that is more economical to employ a British National. I am not a racist but this country does not have the infrastructure to support all these people. This country is slowly being strangled by these stupid EU policies.
I guess I should not be angry at the Brits, but I am. Most of the time the Polish or any other Eastern European people take the job which is snubbed by the Brits. They are too posh to take the crappy jobs and that is what the foreigners are taking. Shame on them to even writing an article about it!!!!!!!
I understand Dave's "Big Society" now. Emigrants get all the jobs at minimum wages (or less!). British unemployed taxpayers pick up litter for £1 an hour and £65 from the State. Great for employers!
Instead of moaning you should all be grateful that there are hard-working, tax-paying people willing to do the jobs native born parasitic dole scum refuse to but then it is always easy to blame outsiders than see the problems in our own society.
If you can't read Polish, don't go shopping in Didcot, Oxfordshire because several of the large chain shops (e.g. Tesco) have altered their credit/debit card machines to display Polish, leaving the English-speaking shopper up in the air. Same with cameras and electronic stuff in the new Co-op - try a digital camera, select the menu and you will find it is in Polish. Ask for it to be turned back into English and you meet refusal. What the heck is going on in this England of ours?
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street.
The only thing our politicians excel at is, treachery of the British people.
This is what happens and will continue to happen when there are very low welfare payments in Poland and very high welfare payments in the UK
So when the better trained Poles come over to compete with our workers who are untrained because our companies can avoid paying for it...what do we do eh Dave? That`s right we cut training and call our workers lazy!
Re. Kenny of Notts comment - more a case, I would suggest, of the same 100,000 under -educated, work-shy members of the unemployable demographic who'd sooner sponge off the state than go out and earn a day's pay, remaining as they were. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this green and pleasant land has been somehow tarnished by the sweat and toil of others when the term 'Broken Britain', Europe's highest teenage pregnancy rate, ever-increasing gun crime and an emdemic drug problems make for unpalatable statistics that drown out the pomp and ceremony of Britain's self-perceived former colonial glory . I'm very proud of being British, and equally proud of my wife being Polish, but don't pretend to think that the British attitude and mentality towards hard graft are anyting to hold up as an example to others, or that our economy is blighted by a foreign work force. Remember who you are, what you are and what you've been a part of since 1973.
and it doesn't help that loads of our factories are shutting up shop here after setting up production lines in eastern europe and forcing our workers to train the eastern europeans...
Now if only Stanislav, the young Polish plumber would come back! He is sorely missed!
lets see if the people who are loosing public secter jobs are as silent this time round now that its them competing for the few low paid jobs out there.. i predict a riot
And the mindless mentalists who think its good for the economy are? You guessed it. The suits in Whitehall. The unemployed British working class are angry.Very angry.Many people are being made redundant only to see there jobs replaced by a foreign agency worker two weeks later.( Me included ) Certain members of the establishment should read there public school history books again and see what happend to the last lot who said if there is no bread then let them eat cake.
Who cares? It doesn't affect me. A lot of angry comments from people who can't write a sentence correctly and we argue that these foreigners don't know the language! I guess these uneducated people are the ones working in these low-end jobs. Should have worked harder in school and university instead of doing manual labour. Tough luck!
if you go into any manufacturing company they are all EU citizens no english because they will work long hours with out complaint, if the company want to make any changes to working conditions they do and tell the workers like it or lump it you know where the door is, they can work for less money because there are 6 people or more to a house, so the english have no chance of getting any job even if they could afford too. when is a party going to stand up for our rights and not non english peole.
gdb, bangkok thailand, 18/11/2010 01:46 Why not put your skills to work helping your own country? just a thought.
There is little comment on how migrant workers are giving work to their own people, not making the jobs available on the open jobs market. I often am amazed by how, in certain places - eg. chain stores, not only how poor the ability of English is, but that there is a common (eastern european or asian) language amongst the staff. With such limited language skills, how can they even manage to apply for jobs here without considerable help from their own communities?
Economy must be turning around !! Still puzzles me why I have no desire to go to Poland.
It seems that indigenous Brits no longer work in catering . When I visited England in June I only heard Eastern European accents among the staff in pubs and restaurants .
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
Turn the lot round and send them home.
The Tories love all this cheap Labour comeing in.Cuts thier wages bill by half. Cameron is looking after the bosses,then there's the Turks comeing soon.Thank you Mr Cameron.for getting us into the EU.
"Polish plumbers return: Number of migrant workers from East Europe hits new high" Was there any need? Should have told George they're short of £7 Billion and he'd have writen the cheque tout suit. I take it Poles can reclaim airfares? Clearly they didn't hear we no longer hire Brits OR europeans. Indians are cheaper and why offshore when Brussells can ship them in legally now. Personally, as an intelligent, educated and once-skilled British person, its so long since I had a well paid job, I don't care anymore. But, I predict a riot when the Polish realise that the UK Government and the EU have sold them out!
As we voted for these politicians it is getting to a stage were the offer of a resettlement grant to a country run by sane people would be the polite thing to do for people that consider themselves indigenous to Britain. At least then there would be room for as many immigrants that could be safely fit onto this island without of course having to knock down the security railings around 10 Downing street.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide So.............you freely admit that as an Australian national , you were working in the UK taking a job off a British Citizen. I assume now that your husband (a British Citizen) is now working in Australia taking the job off an Australian Citizen? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
stop the damn immigaration and train our workers properly instead of opting for the cheap labour from abroad and then we might get somewhere. But, as usual our so called conlib pact take the easy route and ignore it spo typical of these conmen.
Why on earth are we importing yet more non-EU workers when we have so much native unemployment? At the moment, our hands are tied by the EU with respect to European workers, but surely we should just halt ALL non-EU immigration? This country has gone down the pan.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country.
Well I guess that's going to be another 100,000 British people out of work.
I answer internet advertised vacancies every day --------Nothing I used to write letters and send my C.V by post before computers -------Nothing I will be on the computer - Bills are paid for by my Girl Friend - answering advertised jobs - I live in Hope If I come back to the UK - do you think I will be able to find a job that will pay me the national average wage ? Before I left UK for my last contract I tried for 13 months to find work that would pay me the national average got nothing - I couldnt find any work that would have paid the rent and my bills. I got 42 gbp total per week in benefit I got nothing for my rent. All these stories I read where people are better off claiming unemployment it certainly never came my way I am hopin for an offer of work paying the national average wage so that I can come home and live near my family and to eventually die - I dont want to die abroad - I am 62 years old - Any offers - I am medically fit - I have a UK Passport & Driving License
Grayling spouted: "We have to get our labour force ready for the recovery and our benefit claimants ready for the workplace". Really? What workplace? Oh! silly me! The UK workplace, where there are at least ten foreigners queueing for every job vacancy and the estimated five million claiming out of work benefits will continue to claim out of work benefits until the cows come home and whatever Grayling spouts is pure spin and waffle and he knows it.
Bleeding us dry !!!!
no comments on this so far, why? I'am betting there are plenty of people out there now, that wished they had voted for a true british party instead of the weak willed mish mash we got landed with, sooner the EU breaks up the better, better still DAVE show us you have some of what most of us men have and get us out now ,
This is obscene. If people were willing to accept their lot in life and not demand a right to have a child via IVF, these greedy unethical people would not be prompted to exploit others in this fashion. If you can't have children, why not adopt instead of resorting to IVF. There are so many risks associated with the process that has been outlined in this article and we are creating a whole heap of trouble for the future. There are millions of children who are already born who desperately need love and a secure family environment. They should be prioritised.
Perhaps if the UK got its act together and made it possible for childless couples to offer homes to children who need them through adoption, domestically and internationally then people wouldn't be turning to dodgy surrogacy set-ups. Myself and my husband already have two children and thought that rather than have a third ourselves we would add to our family through adoption as both of us are from families with experience of adoption. We were surprised to discover that as far as UK social services are concerned there are no children in Britain or anywhere else in the world, even those currently being bounced between foster carers or in institutions who would be better off in our secure and loving family. It's not even as if we failed the vetting - they won't even begin the vetting process because "there are no children to adopt".
Scrambled eggs!!!!
soon your have babies that wont grow up and faces like teddy bears!
Australia and the UK have the lowest international adoption rates since the 1960's. I would encourage all to find out the 'facts' about how impossible this actually; most cases, government red tape & bureaucratic guide lines hinder every opportunity. In Australia, according to Gov figures, there were less than 200 international adoptions, with over 10,000 couples on wait lists and waiting times, averaging 7 -10 years after being assessed with costs running close to $50,000 AUD. Being reassed every 4 years costs $$$$ and you nominate a country at the begining of the process, if the books close on that country you have to re-start the process. You have to have been married for x amount of years, not pursing any fertility treatment, not foster,not be over a certain age, not get sick, if any of this happens, you are booted off the list. The U.S is not a signatory to the same conventions,happily pay 'donations' to the various orphanages and are first on all lists.
Good god the world is overpopulated there are hundreds of homeless orphans and this is allowed how disgraceful
Whatever happened to unbiased journalistic reporting??
Whatever my opinions on surrogacy maybe, I have to say that the westerners opting for Indian women to help are doing them a great favour.I can understand how difficult it must be for someone in UK or Australia to understand the plight of the poor in India who have no tax benefits ( unemployment, childcare, etc..) ...but I have to assure you that, if they are indeed dirt-poor women from outlying villages, the green painted room pictured , is very good housing indeed, when you compare it with the hut the size of that room they would have been living in and sharing with other family members too sometimes.Whats more, they get nourishing food every day and can live in peace for nine months and then look forward to living their life with hope when paid their fee.Although I do hope the government will do something to make the legal procedure a lot smoother.As for Indian female foetuses being aborted...well, than can only change if the social evil called 'dowry' is at an end.
Pretty sure that there are plenty of children from East Europe, India, and elsewhere to adopt. Dailymail's priorities in reporting are also messed up when they say things like: "Wealthy Westerners are turning to surrogate mothers, and importantly eggs from beautiful Europeans." It's obvious their most important goal is to find surrogate mothers for cheap - because that's what it says in the article. "Eggs from beautiful (Eastern) Europeans" are secondary, because egg donations are easier to find, it's surrogate mothers for cheap money that's not as easy.
This article shows the worst of surrogacy in India. Anyone looking into surrogacy services needs to due their homework, and not go for the el cheapo "four tries for the price of one". There are plenty of renowned and establishes clinics and agencies in India, the two mentioned in this story are neither. If what these places offer is all I could have chosen from I would have run a mile, and I wouldn't have my beautiful son. For those that make moral judgements about surrogacy in India, or anywhere, don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes, or before you have taken on step into the clinic we went through - SCI Healthcare in Delhi - which is reputable, established and engages in none of the practices mentioned in this article.
I've always thought that people who cannot conceive but desperately want to are the people who are destined to be parents to the unloved, unwanted children of the world, because they would be the fantastic parents that these children need. But, it's not my place to comment on what they should or shouldn't do. I only hope that practises like these outlined in the article are outlawed and infertile people find a way to become parents and have the children they so desperately want without resorting to this.
The reporter mentions the emotional trauma to the surrogate mother's, at the point of giving away 'their' babies, after carrying them for 9 months.......but what about the children? When adopted children grow up, they often want to seek out their biological parents, to discover who they 'really' are, or for other reasons. I think it might be quite disturbing for some of these children to learn how they were actually conceived, or more descriptively, made-to-order. I know that I would find it very traumatic if I found out that I was 'built' like this, that my parents felt I needed to be a perfect, cookie-cutter baby. It is just wrong, on so many levels. I see nothing wrong with surrogacy/adoption/IVF, etc., for couples who cannot reproduce naturally.......but made-to-order infants? It will certainly reveal the truly shallow people in our world.
We used a surrogacy Service in India, as with all things there are reputable services that screen and support surrogates and families. Our surrogate spends time with a psychologist and our fertility specialist, was informed of the process & risks as was her extended family and made an informed choice to help us. The money that we paid means that her two daughters will be able to stay at school, complete high school and not be forced to enter into an early marriage. Our surrogate had her own studio apartment, close to the hospital and lived with her children and mother in law. We spend time with her prior to our embryo transfer and after the birth of our babies. To be able to access surrogacy as a part of a heterosexual couple, I needed to prove that I was medically infertile and not able to carry a child. We feel very blessed by the support of all who helped us. Surrogacy is not a choice for everyone, but if you choose to proceed, do your due diligence
Personally, I couldn't tell my child that this was how they were nurtured for nine months. It's so surreal. The most important part of pregnancy is the love felt via the womb and the connection made well in advance with the mother. I think this is very distressing but it was only a matter of time obviously. It is particularly sad that in India female fetuses are aborted in their thousands every year yet they are willing to carry someone else's for money.
This just isn't right for so many reasons.
Where will stupid western ideologies end...?
India now have Much wealth and money..indian government should look in to these cases very deeply..and improve the quality of life of these poor families.....Indian government should use their vast money in a professional and planned way to overcome the low life in some parts of india..
The West said that designer babies would not be allowed with the exception of those that are screened for a hereditary disease or could when born offer assistance to a sibling etc. This is not the West, this is a country that can offer their neighbours the son they want and now it would seem they can offer other things too. DM, follow some of these children to see if they live a good life and if their parents expectations are met.
India has so much money at the moment. These poor women shouldn't feel they have to do this.
In today's society we want things and we want them now. We are so engrossed in short term happiness that we forget the long term consequences. The environment that the foetus is growing in the womb of the poor indian woman is preparing it for life in it's perceived surroundings, making adaptations etc. The life it will have in the homes of those that bought it will be very different thus making it far more susceptible to certain diseases such as obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular problems. Science can be a wonderful thing, but taking it too far without seeing the effects and placing a big fat price tag on a life shows that it can be very dangerous as well. It is sad that the people who resort to these measures need to, to have a joy of a baby in their lives, but the problems that very same child will encounter later in life makes it seem rather selfish all the same.
Everyone connected to this Frankenstein procedure is morally bankrupt...
The ideal human being(I) is a product of genetic (g), environmental (e)and God factors (G). i.e. I= g x e x G. By selecting egg and sperm for the embryo the intended parents believe they have got the right genes for the ideal human being. By thinking they could give their newborn a good childhood and proper education the intended parents believe they have got the right environment to bring out the full genetic potential of the their designer baby. What the intended parents leaves out of their calculation is the God factors for e.g. What would happen if the intended parents ends in divorce before their designer baby grows up?, What would happen if the designer baby fall in for drugs and bad company during adolescence? What would happen if the parents dies unexpectedly etc etc . This God factors (G) will never ever be addressed by the designer baby factory.
How can this be right? Let us not think about the poor women in India or the parents wanting a child but lets think about the child. How do you tell a child I am your father but we used a poor woman in India to carry you and who knows where the egg came from. This is wrong and it is all about money.... In today's world there are no rules and we are spiraling out of control.
I don't see what's wrong with this, along as the women are strong women who can dettach themselves from the emotions involved. I t hink being of Indian hertigage and giving birth to a white baby could help this process though. These women are incredibly poor, and if you knew that by having one baby for a rich westerner would mean you would not have to worry about putting food in your own children's tummies for 10 years, would you honestly not do it? Until you've walked a miles in either in the Indian woman's shoes or the childless couple's shoes you are we to judge?
Disgusting! ........ appalling in every sense..... creating very sad disturbed children is heartbreaking.......We all want to know we were born out of love and need to know who our genetic parents are........ Everything is about money in the world, it is about time it STOPPED! The world we live in is a perfect place, it is so sad that some of the human race do not have any morals......
GOSH - It makes me realise how very lucky some people are. If they want a baby, all they have to do is spread their legs. If they want to eat all they have to do is go to the fridge. But please remember, many are not so lucky. That is why I don't judge.All I can say to those very lucky people is I really hope you appreciate your food, and the children you have been blessed with.
Those without morality have to much power and their numbers are growing.
So the descent continues on the road to perdition, the fall of man.
Perhaps Brad and Angelina could raise awareness of this horrifying practice in the context of children needing adoption. This really is morally and ethically wrong. Who knows what the side effects of all the lab handling etc will produce. So the temperature of an opened canister means the embryo/s need destroying. Humans are not infallible: who's to say what happens to the temperatures when money is at stake! and what is going on each time the fertility process changes hands before the birth. Shocking and evil.
For us is shocking because we are living normal lives.But if you poor and not chance for better life this is a only option.
It's horribly disturbing, but I used to live in India as an aid worker & the burden that impovershed women have to carry is desperate. So many have to sell body parts just to feed their families for a year. I would rather they be surrogate mothers than sell their kidneys. As long as they are being paid well for the surrogacy, so that they can feed & educate their families for years, it can give their own children hope of rising out of such poverty.
Science and nature....an unethical mix to say the least! How long before these desperate Indian surrogates go through the pregnancy only to be not paid at the end by a dodgy 'agency' boss?
Very distubring . I feel for the child in this scenario - how will he react when he reaches an age and discovers his conception was part of a chain and he was a 'made to order' baby - not born out of love. His biological mother was A, his biological father was B, his birth mother was C...but hey, we are your real parents and we paid x amount for you! If told the truth, will his 'parents' tell him they had put in a request for him to have blue eyes, blond hair, and, fingers crossed, he would be intelligent and sporty? . And when he goes to school and an assignment is entitled 'Your Family Tree'..........
Honestly, you would think from some of these comments that there are babies on every street corner in the Western world waiting to be adopted. Adoption is near impossible at times, there simply aren't kids available to be adopted. And if you foster a kid there are no guarantees that they won't be taken off you, not to mention all the problems that foster kids have. That's why people go down this route. I don't think we all have an automatic right to have children, but there is still nothing wrong with wanting your own baby.
totally immoral and without any consideration to how the children will feel when they are told about how they came into the world. Yes money buys you anything but not morals.
You must be desperate to want a baby that will grow up to look like them in the picture. Any one that desperate should be put down. - Robert, Leicestershire they WON'T look like the indian mothers will they? the article clearly states how the babys are created. though i do think it is just so wrong. for the baby & the indian lady who carrys the child
***No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road. - Charly, Ex London*** he didnt go to india. either elton or david is the dad & the mother was an american. the baby was born in the US & the new parents (elton & david) were present at the birth
This is frightening. Who is controlling and checking out these parents who want the children. Babies need protecting, and also future parents from ruthless moneymaking scavengers. Disgraceful.
Back in 1978, when IVF pioneers Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards created the worldÂ’s first test-tube baby, I wonder if they ever imagined how their work might be mutated/twisted in the future.
Don't think there's anything wrong with it, the women aren't forced into it and get paid more than they can dream of and someone gets a baby! Don't see the fuss with stem cell research either. People can experiment with animals all they like but not humans??? We're all the same more or less!
No good can come of this when humans play God! - DD, Brisbane,Australia We can, do and may as well seeing as the position is vacant and we created Gods/Goddesses in the first place lol!
This is the direction in which we are evolving, do you really think the cleverer people are becoming we will stay the same for the next billion years?
As long as the adoption system in Britain (and other western countries) remains as complicated as it is, you will have these clinics. People choose to have babies by surrogates in other countries because they are intimidated by the cost and legalities of adoption and surrogacy in Britain.
This is SICK
No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road. - Charly, Ex London, 05/05/2012 06:39 AM Actually I think you'll find a lot of people did.
I often think that maybe people who can't have children should accept that's just the way it's meant to be... There are so so many children who need adopting. If they can't adopt then maybe they should think of ways on which to support children who need it without being their full time care givers
The implications of every element of this horrifying concept are more far reaching than we can even imagine... for any baby, and for any culture partaking in it.
Just like a puppy farm.... If you buy from these places, they will never go away. Plenty of children in care desperate for a loving home, so what if they are not babies - babies grow up too you know. Sad for all parties involved. Very sad.
Robert. Read the article. These women just loan their wombs!
Why are people so desperate to have their own biological children? Surely, if they like children in the first place, they could adopt one that needs parents and love them as their own. It all comes down to selfishness. It's not the children they love - it's themselves.
No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road.
Move on its 21st century. Science is helping them find a way to help couples conceive this should be welcomed. No one here knows the pain of those who dont have a child of their own. This not criminal or unethical.. Abortion is more of a sin
You must be desperate to want a baby that will grow up to look like them in the picture. Any one that desperate should be put down.
Is this any worse that countries where single parents, who have happy well cared for children, have had their children taken for them and given for adoption. Ask yourself what sort of sick backward country would do that?
Heaven help the poor child 'born' to these 'parents'.
Bet you it's happening here as well.
This is chilling, like something from a sci-fi movie ... so having a baby, for some, is like ordering a take away - it just takes a bit longer to deliver!
Sometimes you can't have what you want ... Now get over it and become an incredible aunt or uncle to someone that needs one ...
This is NOT ethical!!!
This is inhuman. I know from my personal experience how awful it is not to be able to have children, but this is taking things way way too far. Some people are just not destined to be parents and I think more help, understanding and assistance should be given to help them to accept it, in order that they can move on and start living productive lives without children. All I ever wanted was a family, but I eventually realised that I needed to channel my grief into making my life fulfilled and positive without children.
No good can come of this when humans play God!
Sick! Why not to adopt a poor child instead!
This is absolutely horrifying.
The story kind of reminds me of the 'Depraved Heart' episode of 'Lie to Me', where those poor Indian surrogates committed suicides after being held in some dump with dozens of other girls like them for the duration of their pregnancy...
The clinic isnt to blame. The blame goes entirely to the government who cant give these people decent jobs. So what do you want? to close the clinic, so these women can starve?
Am I the only one who didn't know how much we had developed in terms of 'designer babies'?! - I just could not stop thinking of the film Gattaca throughout this. It's very alarming. Sad story, can't believe this happens in the world.
Here we go again...Surrogacy clinics aren't a new thing DM. Get with the times. First of all, the women who carry the embryos are there by choice. They aren't FORCED to be there and the only think that might be forcing them is poverty. These women have found a way to earn, like you said, money in 9 months that would take them years to earn. What's wrong with those people wanting everything we have, like clean water and a good home? an education for their kids and health care. As for the 'abortions' you speak of, they are very common in IVF treatment received by women in the UK. So what point are you trying to make exactly? Although my heart goes out to the couple currently in 'legal limbo' here's an idea - why didn't they research things before trusting some unknown agency to do all the work? it's common sense.
On one hand, it`s sickening...on the other hand, it`a hardbreaking to see friends` struggle who are unable to conceive
A horror story! And to think that all these women risk cancer later in life and that IVF children have 50% more chance to birth deffects and higher chance of cancer too? Has the world gone crazy? If you look around you here in Switzerland the sheer amount of multiples will be enough to give you the creeps!
People that are not versed in the British way of life must think our countryside with all it's open fields and rivers full of animals and no Police presence is Heaven on Earth. I feel as each day goes by that I am becoming more like the men with the "End of the World is nigh" placards I used to see in my youth. Substitute UK for World and they have been proved right.
Evidently the law is not applied equally over the country. Since when was ignorance a defence? Apply our existing laws please! Word would soon get round that this will not be tolerated. I understand that these people are trying to "survive" but turning a blind eye to this is going to encourage more of this behaviour. If they have no jobs or housing then round them up and put them to work on a civic project, see how that works, trouble is no mainstream political party has got the guts to suggest this sort of thing! In my opinion it is about time some radical solutions were tried in this country. Long overdue in fact for the general population that has to live amongst this kind of chaos. I'm off now to pick some wild flowers.... not, as I abide by the rules!
Ill tell you where the police are...investigating a lost phone in a night club because some idiot has lost it and wants to make a false claim. All down to the Governments' election charter for the police to speak to every "victim" of crime (even when they are clearly lying!). Some people seem to think that Police Officers dont live in the communities where they work and therefore dont become victims of crime. Was it the local bobby that introduced the immigration policy? When did the police sign up to (as a country) to the restrictive human rights policy? Why do we blame the police service for everything that goes wrong in this country!!
This is becoming the most rediculous country in the world, also the biggest laughing stock of Europe. Of course these people know what they are doing. What would happen if an Englishman were to be cast out of work with no money and tried to build a camp site out of scavenged timber etc and started fishing or taking game on the banks of one of our rivers. The police would be down in force to arrest him, even for a single Englishman it would send at least three cars and a squad of bobbies.
The police should do something now before it gets too big to handle. Look at Italy.
Thank you bliar and looniegord what a wonderful job youve done of ruining this once great country.
Have these people got rod licenses, if not they should be prosecuted just like an Englishman would be. Were we to take fish and swans home for the pot our feet wouldn't touch!
This a disgrace, I cannot believe what is happening to our beautiful country, and why are the authorities turning a blind eye to what is happening. God help us if nothing is done.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Now you're being silly. The police are to busy looking for things that carry a fine. They have become tax collectors.
Of course the police aren't involved for many reasons. 1) They haven't recieved the proper training 2) This is close to a river - no training 3) wild birds involved - no training 4) politically incorrect to investigate and arrest polish/Lithuanian nationals 5) the police force of this country are totally inept and incompetent. However if Mr. Means forgot his fishing license I bet the river baliffs/Mr Plod would soon be on the scene to impound his fishing tackle and impose a hefty fine.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Please wake-up people! On this BB nearly all of you are asking where are the police? The answer, we don't have our police anymore we have political police "STASI" and their job is to protect all and any foreigner from decent ward working law abiding British people because under Nu-Lying-Loony-Labour we don't count! This is Broons nu-world-order and social mobility if Gormless-Gordon had his way, we would all be living in shacks unless you vote Labour. Why do you think he has not called an election date? Because Broon ain't going anywhere he can't face the enormity of his crimes against the people of Britain.
Blimey - this beggar belief: My son is 40 soon and I can say with assurance that is he had camped on the same spot. lit a fire - the police and counciL would fine, had he caught a swan - the police and RSPCA would be in force and rightly so. We have always been brought up to understand that swans belong to the crown - what are 'visitors' to our land and laws treated so differently. Bring back St Greorge and our respect for other cultures. My love and respect abounds for the 1950 immigrants who helped this country and still do.
Why is it possible for a reporter to get this information, and yet not possible for law to be enforced. How long has this been going on, or is it just another vote catcher?
Got to agree with M...........this country needs people who will get a grip....we are fast going down the toilet...no matter what the liberal left say we will soon be a third world country......as the Detective Inspector in the Thin Blue line say's...... our leaders are a ' wishy washy namby pamby touchy feely ' bunch of loser's. Get a leader in who does not listen to what the ' media ' say's but listen's to the people and what they want. Swan's are protected.....so protect them.
Shanty towns springing up in the UK, who would have thought? Well everyone really!
This MUST BE STOPPED. The birds are nesting and getting ready to produce young in April/May. If police can't (or won't) intervene why can't the RSPB?
Please do something to help these animals!!! This is horrendous!! This should NOT be happening.......
Welcome to New Labour's vision of the future for Britain.
I don't understand, what are the police doing about this? Why oh why do we put up with this, what is going to become of our country?
"Where are the police?" - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Busy fining English people for dropping sweetie wrappers on the pavement.
Why does "Call me Dave" not use stories and photos like this on the Tory's election posters? Could it be that they wouldn't change the situation?
Why no prosecutions?
If all tourist and holiday makers avoid the whole of East Anglia the resultant drop in incomes will force the authorities to addresss this problem. As for the police? Well this is a civil matter I suspect.
I wonder what excuse the police will come up with this time. Killing swans is very, very illegal.
Surely these people can be removed from what was a beautiful, wildlife rich area of Peterborough. They understand enough to know that killing swans is wrong and should abide by the rules of the country they have moved to. Incidently, Peterborough is not a 'market town' but a city with a wonderful cathedral.
This makes my blood boil! Just what is happening to our country? My mother is croatian and came over in the seventies to do a fashion degree, and made a successful career in fashion designing etc. Why cant all the immigrants that come over do the same and treat our country with respect and as there own!
Good old Labour - you have brought our country to this!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 You will prob find them on the roads arrested the hard working public as they try and drive home after a 12 hour day for going a couple of mph over the limit.... To scary to catch real crooks...
Somehow, I don't think we would get away with it if we went to their homeland and savaged their wild life and beauty spots. This country is being torn apart and no one is doing anything about it.
Third world Britain.
I hope all those who voted for this government are happy with what they have created.
I'm speechless!!
So when's our beloved Queen going to step in then?
What a sad and sorry place my home town has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place this country has become.
Why?
New Labour and its open Borders policy!! and they want to be re-elected not in your worsed nightmares.
I thought killing Swans was illegal - the queens' property? Carries a hefty jail term if I am not mistaken?
So why isn't anything being done about it? We really have become the laughing stock of the world and nobody but nobody seems to want to anything about it. It would not remotely surprise me if the BNP actually won the election outright because people are in complete and utter despair at all this and nobody is listening.
I'm sorry but I don't understand why local people are not up in arms about this. They should be protesting to the council, the police, the government, in large numbers. Why aren't the authorities, closing these illegal camps. Why aren't the animal protection people getting involved. There should be a large police presence every night along the waterways. Arrests should be made every night. Instead its the usual English way of wringing our hands, saying its not right and that's that. We have to learn its not racist to complain where its found that foreigners are either breaking the law or are making life intolerable for the residents. If we lived in their coountry we would be expected to respect their ways.
As much as I always swore I wouldn't, I am voting for the BNP at the election, because our current mangy thieving lot couldn't care less!
So, they're breaking the law and nothing is being done about it? Are we mad?
SICK TO THE CORE HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO THESE MAJESTIC BIRDS THEY ARE ROYAL BIRDS AND BELONG TO THE QUEEN THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
This is utterly disgraceful and where are the police in all this. What has become of this country that we allow this kind of behaviour. I thought our swans were a protected species, what is going on. That a part of the waterways meant for peoples enjoyment is a no go area is ludicrous.
Labour's Britain.
Naivity is the kindest word I can use to describe Labour's immigration policy.
Surely, it is treason to kill and eat swans. All the swans belong to the Queen. We have been tolerant for far too long. All of the immigrants living along the river should be arrested and deported immediately - no excuses. What do the people pay council tax for when the police do nothing to protect them?
Gosh!!! I didnt see this coming! What a surprise! Are you sure its true? Still at least they didnt lie on their CV and get jailed for it.
This has been going on for some time and the authorities have turned a blind eye due to them signing up to the EU and Human Rights. Now we are having an election people are taking notice. There must be something drastically wrong when people choose to live in make shift camps in a foreign country rather than live in their own country. Moreover if they are being used as cheap labour then it is false economy as the U.K has to pay for the destruction of their countryside and parks.
Immigrants should Not be in this Country unless they are or have been Working, from the EU or outside. They should be Sent home if they break the laws of this country, like we would if we were in there Country. If the government (any) can start waste of Time Wars then they have the powers to handle immigration, but they don't have will-power. Immigrants should have Work permits for 5 years,do there work for 6 months for example then go home. Employers should provide Accommodation.
Deport them straight away. Britain can't aford these scroungers
What really annoys me is people like Mathew Wright dismissing the facts as racist, on his morning program the Wright Stuff the previous day. Instead of possibly debating on how to solve the problem.
I'm from Peterborough and I can say that, although thousands of Eastern Europeans have successfully found accommodation, work, and have integrated reasonably well, there are always pockets who have not. Peterborough is used to diversity, having accepted large influxes of first Italians and then Asians in the past, and by and large there have been relatively few problems. The real issue currently is the sheer numbers of Eastern Europeans who have arrived in a very short space of time. They are nice people but the city cannot cope. The infrastructure is creaking. Schools have countless languages to deal with. Maternity units are shockingly overstretched; my pregnant sister had to wait 5 hours for a routine appointment because there was only one doctor available. It can't be argued that some of the city's beauty spots are being ruined. I would not say locals are 'scared', but I would say the overall look of these places is tarnished. Peterborough Council has its head in the sand.
These people have no right to be here, why can they not be sent home? If they can eat our wildlife and have no conscience, then what else will they do to this country?
This is what Labour and the Liberals, and the Tories (yes, the Tories too) have turned our lovely country into - something resembling a third world state. All for personal profit and greed. And if you don't live in Peterborough, fear not, this is coming to a town or city near you soon. Think very carefully how you use your vote on 6th May.
This is not just happening in Peterborough it is happening all over this country and by immigrants who are not living in sheds and shacks alongside rivers. but living in houses, I have seen them take fish myself. The lakes where I live have had to put up warning signs a few years back. This is wrong but who will stop this. Lets just call it ENRITCHMENT.
I don't see the problem. You all voted for Gordon Brown and NuLabour who wanted to bring in cheap workers from abroad, and you the voters put him in place to do this. Now you complaint these people take your jobs and have to eat to live. What did you expect of these people?
My brother lives in Peterborough, the Cathedral Square used to be a pleasant place for the elderly to sit and watch the day go by. These days the benches are apparently frequented by the unemployed Eastern Europeans, no place for the indigenous Peterbourians. There are virtual no go ares in the city , English is not heard in some parts. I grew up in Peterborough, I remember it as a quiet Market Town. I used to go day and night fishing in the very places mentioned in this report. Thanks Labour. Fortunately I was able to escape, many just have to live with your despicable policies.
Why is anyone surprised....open borders and Locals who are so afraid of offending anyone is a recipie for this kind of behavior. Instead of doing something about this problem, the locals hide in thier homes, worrying about the PC police and teriifed about getting an ASBO And come election time, they will vote for the same old parties who will do nothng except make the problem worse. As an Ex-Pat it is so sad to see Britian becoming a thirf world country, and the British to cowardly to do anything about it. Will the last person with a spine please collect the flag.
Why is this Lithuanian woman allowed to build an unsightly shack on the banks of the River Nene? If she is living off the land she is obviously killing wild life. Surely living in her own coutry would be more comfortable!! Or is it the FREE HAND OUTS she gets that makes living rough easier? I thought there were laws about littering the country side...does dhe have planning permission to collect rubbish and assemble this unsightly. Where is the toilet? is she polluting the area? You bet she is.
Thanks, Tony. A Blair legacy, indeed. Immigration? Lies, Lies and more Lies from this government. Labour = the destruction of the UK in every possible way.
The rape of Britain !
Disgusting ! So much for Blair and Browns open border policy, what is that old saying in life???, ( you can take man out of the Jungle , but you can not take the Jungle out of man ) where are the police ?? where is the council ?? hands tied because of the eu, and human rights etc etc . Why don,t the residents give the EDL A PHONE CALL,? I bet they would shift them pretty damn quick !!! It,s the local people,and the wild life who are suffering , while these Immigrants are thumbing their noses at us !! WAKE UP BRITAIN!!!
For the love of GOD,, you Brits........ GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP TO THESE PEOPLE!!! TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!!! What is wrong with you?????!! Is everyone just to drunk all the time to care or do anything??????
"16,000 new Eastern European immigrants arriving in the past five years" in Peterborough. The immigrant from Lithuania allegedly bleated: "No understand - no passport". WHY are the UK Border Agency allowing illegal immigrants to remain in Peterborough and elsewhere in the UK? If an English person were to capture a swan and cook it on an open fire in the back garden, they would quickly feel the full weight of the Law. It beggars belief that the UK has become over-run by illegal immigrants, who have no respect for British laws and carry on bleating "No understand - no passport".
Strong & swift action must be taken against these illegal & unsightly temporary shelters. The occupants must be thoroughly checked. All those illegally in the country must be immediately deported. The rest mus be made to work. They should be denied assistance, financial or otherwise, if they refuse to work. Their presence & behaviour are really disgraceful. Briton must not allow immigrants into the country without employment. Deny them all help if they refuse to work.
So, Labour is working as usual. What else!
And they are an asset to this country? How? No passport? Why in hell's name are they still here?
Oh my, what has my country become? I guarantee if it was some local lad killing swans he'd be in the nick by now.
Swans are suppose to be protected ..re.. the Queen??? Why isn`t anything being done about this Why aren`t the council doing anything to remove these theives from there...? I expect they have all our benefits too ... If we trespass we get done...so time to act ..sooner than later, before all our swans are lost.. This has been happening for far too long. Act Now.. Where`s the police on this ..doing nothing as usual.....
How about, just once, we see local British people doing something apart from just whining and whimpering. If they care so much then why not form a patrol group and I mean a big one and clear these people out and protecting British wildlife. It is time to take the law into their own hands. The "state" is not interested. Indeed, the "state" appears hell bent on destroying Britain, accusing any critics of lying and racism. Its time to take the country back but this has to be done by the people, by the British people who want their country back.
How long will the government allow this to go on. It saddens me to know how low my country has sunk. its rapidly turning into a cesspool but who do we blame?, the government or the fact that we are living by the EU rules. Come on Brown show some backbone or is this asking the impossible?.
Discraceful, WHERE ARE THE POLICE?? Absolutely no mention of police action. They should be constantly patrolling the area, arresting the perpetrators, moving on the 'gangs' drinking alcohol and they should tear down the 'camps' along this public walkway. Perhaps if they had these deterrents, they wouldn't have the problems. Its not unreasonable to expect that a lovely riverside walk is kept safe for people to use and that it's wildlife and nature are guarded so that many folk can take pleasure in observing it. By their cruelty and destruction, these immigrants are showing a flagrant disregard and disrespect for the local area and the people in the community. The police know they are there and the crimes they are committing - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Killing the most beautiful of birds - the Swan. Wicked and disgusting, apart from which every Swan in this country belongs to the Queen.
Where are the police? A regular patrol of the area would surely drastically reduce incidents.
Where are the police??
What is wrong with this country that we allow this kind of intolerable situation to occur? Not only do we let in countless numbers of immigrants, which means that our small country's population is totally out of control, employment for our own people is threatened, we now have this kind of absolutely vile, sick behaviour being committed. How on earth can these people get away not only with living in shacks in such a beautiful area but also intimidating the locals and slaughtering our wildlife? It's absolutely insane and our government urgently needs to rectify this inexcusable situation. If our own people were to live like this, in shacks, threatening and intimidating other people and slaughtering wildlife I'm sure they'd be dealt with appropriately and prosecuted as necessary. There's no excuse for not doing the same with immigrants of this kind and for being too "politically correct" and phlegmatic to bother to do anything about it.
Same thing was happening in the park in my old home town four years ago before we left for a better life.
The people of Peterborough should get together and sue the Goverment for this mess that has been visited on them
I am in tears reading yet another report on them eating swans. That pic is awful. For heavens sake, please go home and leave our swans alone.
These people very clearly know they are doing wrong and I bet in their own towns and cities such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and would meet a far harsher response than any here. Those who come here and want to work and contribute should be welcomed. Those who want to come and scrounge, break the law and act like animals should not be given any second chances. If the EU doesn't like it, why should we care? Our European 'partners' overlook the laws they dislike why should we cow to every one?
Whilst I don't condone what these people are doing they are at least using the swans and fish for food and not just indulging in wanton destruction.
Sometime soon people are going to take the law into their own hands. Why do residents have to put up with these ignorant peasants and the mess they leave behind?
When the countryside of the U.K has been ruined will the Political parties decide enough is enough and stop pitching in the U.K? Glad i now live in Australia!!
Peterborough has a conservative member of parliament.
Trouble on the horizon. Wake up!
Still, never mind. Just keep voting Lib-Lab-Con as you always have done........
So let me get this right . . . the gov't will be going through your trash cans and fining you if you haven't recycled properly, but they WILL turn a blind eye to emigrants (of all kinds) destroying your countryside, squatting in people's homes whom have lost their wallets, and furnishing mansions to people on welfare who haven't paid a dime into the system. Sounds like California!
The laws in this country are for EVERYONE and yes, that includes immigrants who must see us as an easy touch. We need to toughen up, and tell them to stick to our laws.
What the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't do it , so why are we letting them do it....... Swans are part of our culture and it's just not the done thing.
Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park Welcome to the Lib/lab/com EU run Britain!!!!......To people of Peterborough and everywhere else......use your votes wisely!!!! It is OUR lives and money at stake!!!!
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
in all seriousness these people need to be moved on (and if they can prove they have been killing swans, arrested).
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
Does Peterborough have a police force? and if so what are they doing?
Please, UK, take your country back!
I used to go to nene valley as a child and it was lovely, nice and fun, thank to these selfish people who want to live here , they are ruining the countryside for later generations, get the police to move them as it must be illegal to just set up home here
Why is this allowed to go on?
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
We experienced all this in Edmonton , Pymmes Park and the Lee Valley Park 10 years ago .
Thanks Bliar and Brown this country will end up a barren wasteland with no wild life.
Where are the Police to stop this? Too busy filling in forms, I suppose. Lithuanians I have met were educated, charming and decent people who would be appalled by this
What is GOING ON IN TH UK. I am getting really really angry.
Have I been transported to another planet without my knowledge!!
BLAIR/BROWN legacy.
What is happening to our country?
How dreadful. Something must be done to save the swans.
Oh my God.......
Swans are Royal Property...? no? Amazing they are allowed to live beyond the law while we are jumped on and fined for dropping an apple core.
Hey, where are all the animal rights heroes now?
Many thanks B&B - what another fine mess you've got the UK into. Enough is enough, Britain needs to be led by someone with the balls to get immigration under control - bring back Thatcher!!!
Where are the police?
What are the Police doing to stop this kind of vandalism.
I thought all Swans belong to the Queen, and killing them is effectively treason.
this is disgusting
So where are the police ?
Totally disgusting.
We wouldnt dream of eating beautiful swans even if starving, how dare they do it.
Could someone explain exactly what we pay the Police and councils for ? Have a sweet wrapper blow out of your car window .............
This is ridiculous.
How long will be allowed to go on.
No mention of the police then?
He hasn't banned the Poles because of race but because Poles only fish for the table and not sport. That why Polish fisheries have low stocks. Large stock fish can cost many hundreds of pounds each so in monetary terms the thefts involve large sums. He will not be able to afford these losses long term. However the police are unlikely to take any action because race is far more important than theft. Stealing is perfectly allowable if you are of a politically correct race. All men are equal, but some are more equal than others if they have the politically correct background.
I would suspect that Mr Evans has not reported the thefts to the police because he knows that they won't do anything about it. I suspect he can expect them to turn up and arrest him for being racist though. Typical of the EHRC to stick their oar in, perhaps they should be reminded that it is unlawful to take another persons property without permission. Apart from that who says he's denying them a service because of race, the way I see it he's denying a service because they're criminals. And angling is hardly a service.
Its happening all over the country. In my hometown they, being Polish/Eastern Europeans, are catching and eating in vast numbers pike, swans and ducks from the rivers. The staff from the River Authority try their best but would you approach a group of men stealing whilst of your own! Something needs to be done.
i se the human rights brigade have put their ten pence in at the bottom of the story, it is also wrong of the eastern lot to steal the fish a fact elf and safety seem to have forgot.
The EHRC may be right but surely the rights are suspended when the individuals are in breach of rules that apply to all. We all have the right to free speech but not when the speech incites racial hatred. These Poles, or whoever they are, knew that they were in breach of the rules and chose to disregard them. End of story. The farmer is well within his rights to ban a particular group because of constant "theft" of fish. It is the same as shops banning hoodies or banks banning people who wear crash helmets. The guy is trying to protect his assets from thieves and good luck to him.
did he put the signs up in polish or did he make any attempt to explain as in poland no such terms are in place
Obviously Mr Evans is going to have to turn his fishery into a private club with recommended members only and with rules that state no fish may be removed. The Equality and Human Rights Commission appear to condone theft and seems quite content for people to lose their living. Time to repeal the human rights law which has become a charter for the criminal and feckless members of society. A bad law is worse in many cases than no law.
They catch fish to eat them. I've never understood fishing for any other reason.
......................Aha i was waiting for this to rear its ugly head when i was reading this article...."A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ So they steal from this tax paying law abiding citizen...but once again Human Rights rear their "ugly little heads"....This bunch need to get COMMON SENSE
Then make the beggers abide by the same rules everyone else follows - we are getting sick of the 'equality' rubbish!
The Equality & Human Rights Commission should be decommissioned but in the meantime it should concentrate on real rights abuses and leave people trying to protect their legitimate businesses in peace.
It is his Lake. It is his fish. He has every right to exclude people who disobey the rules. It is about time people acknowledged that far too many people disobey our laws.
Surely you should make people sign a contract clearly showing any rules you would like to enforce and if they break them, they are eligable for prosecution because over fishing is illegal and they are breaking his terms of agreement.
A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ It is also unlawful to aid and abet the commission of a crime which is what the EHRC is doing if they stop Mr Evans from barring people whom he knows to be responsible for an unlawful act.
Trust the Equality and Human Rights Commission to come up with a stupid statement. This is about people stealing fish, not discrimination because they happen to be Poles
The same thing's been happening in lakes in Ireland (according to relatives who fish recreationally). Eastern Europeans were absolutely cleaning out the lakes by any means necessary.
if you re the owner you ve the right to refuse .and for the foolish ehem police sorry better go and find some money generating petty crimes lol.
A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ So even if your business goes bust from theft. I think I know somewhere where the public can save some money.!!!
Sack this idiot!!
ALL OF THOSE THAT AGREE WITH BERCO AND THERE ARE NOT MANY MUST BE STRANGERS TO WORK AND SHOP FLOOR WORK PLACES TO AGREE WITH SUCH A STUPID IDIOT GET YOUR SELVES A JOB .
Yep I think he should go back to his roots and go and live in Roumania
would be very satisfying to have a one-to-one conversation with this so-called man.
A stupid little man,without an ounce of integrity
No coincidence that his grandparents on the paternal side were Roumanian ?
If they do work harder it is only for the one week they have to work to get an NI Number so they can rob the benefit system
Order!!! Order!!! silence for the member for Poland to speak.
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Isn't it time that this imbeciles local constituency party deselected him before the next general election?
Apart from such a statement being quite possibly illegal these days it is also patently untrue - but then Berk Off is no stranger to that, of course........ Several surveys in recent years have shown that Britons - probably through fear of job losses during a recession - are working the LONGEST hours of anyone in Europe.
my god what a nerve this irritating little prat has got he would not know what a good days work was if it jumped up and bit him
Treason just go's on on on
He made and excellent choice choosing a dimbo wife!
TRAITOR
What does Bercow know about HARD work.--- He has not doen a DAYS hard work ever since he was born
John Bercow, What he saying is, He likes slave labour and just loves low wage's, I have read about a woman with the same name, That has a big month like him, Who was she, I wonder !!!!. You Bercow and people like you, made the Brits lazy, By giving them benefits after benefits just to get votes, Do your job Bercow or give it up, Tax payers are sick of paying wages to no hopers like you.
He and his wife are not good ambassadors for this country and he should not hold his position in the Houses of Parliament when he makes such inane comments...Stupid man,Mr Speakerneeds to be silenced.
Why doesn't he and his wife move to Bucharest.
He, like other MP's have spent too much time in their ivory tower, plus his head is not on his shoulders in at his rear end, but he is not alone there either. It looks like both he and his mrs are loose cannons, they dont think befor ethey speak, so if you have nothing to say then shut up. When you have to work in a proper job he will learn his lesson, but with their "jobs for the boys policy" we should not hold our breath.
I do think he and his mrs are a train wreck....but go to Lincoln ask the nerdowells tha walk around town in their hoodies on benefits ak them to pick veg all day on minimum wage answer would jog on I've got my benefits... Broken Britain in the same wreck as when Bercy met Sally......over to you Nigel.....
order order, thats his days work silly wee man
Then replace him and the rest of that lazy lot in your parliament with them, it would be cheaper, and get more work done
What does this buffoon know?
Correcto! Absolutemente! -- Russel Brand house keeper in LA:-)
Presumptuous arrogance......no change there then.
Bercow's not qualified to pontificate on the concept of hard work which can be defined in numerous ways. Probably considers himself a "thought worker", but his political contribution or indeed a modicum of above average intelligence, has not been evident.
Is this guy some kind of comedian?
Voting UKIP will not help the UK but will help the privileged elite and make the bankers and city traders ecstatic with joy over deregulation, less accountability and much less taxation. UKIP will also massively increase funding for wars in the Middle East that is for wars the British people do not want. UKIP will form a coalition with the current Conservative Party and will mean five more years of this government's official conservative party cabinet politicians running the country. Don't vote UKIP.
He knows a lot about work!!!!
All I can add is both him and his wife are well matched.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says! - Joe, Guelph, 5/6/2013 15:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't insult Hobbits! They at least, are nice!
Pity we can't import a whole new government. The one we've got doesn't work!
How would this loud mouth know.
How would this jumped up idiot know what a days work means he has never done one!!!!!!!!
<< Nigel Farage said Bercow was 'a disgrace to the office of Speaker' >>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Nigel and spot-on as usual.
I am a British Expat and self made millionaire and resent the comment made about British workers, I have worked hard ALL my life and am proud of what I have got out of it. Do not tar us all with the same brush Mr Bercow. Most MP's do not have a clue these days, they do not represent the people only try to make a name for themselves, Its the same world over.
Not a man of conviction then is he? After all, he starts as a Conservative MP then marries a Labour activist and suddenly has his wife's way of thinking. He should not be in the job.
Haha if you have seen the program 'Skint' you will believe what he says to be true.
What does Burk-Cow Know, has he ever worked? And no, I don't count politics. Has he ever actually done a real days work with real people? Patronising B******d, he is not worthy to represent a single British Citizen, let alone being in such a responsible position as Speaker of the House!
They rarely pay any tax, but claim all the benefits they can get their hands on. Undercut the British worker who pays his taxes. Bercow you are an idiot. Vote UKIP and save us all from this disaster of a multi cultured society that no one has voted for.
Anyone who is willing to work for next to nothing will never be short of a job!
I'm sick & tired of this anti-English worker rhetoric from people who only sit in parliament for around 150 days in a year & get £65,500 , expenses & a limo paid for by the state for their 'trouble'. Of course that's not nearly enough for them, they think they're worth £100, 000 !!!
And as they head out to work each morning, he and his gobby wife can wave to then from their expensively furnished grace and favour apartment
No mention of his hard working tweeting wife?
That's exactly what migration should be stopped, because they're so poor that they'll work themselves to death, which leads to wages and worker rights - the wages and worker rights the country fought for for hundreds of years - being driven down. Having a race to the bottom is only good for employers.
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Yet another politician who treats the electorate with disdain..............tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
what a berk-cow
what a disgusting (and stupid) little man he is, showing such contempt for the people he is supposed to protect, sack him now
Well Bercow Insulting us will mean more voters will leave the Tories now.
Even people on benefits work harder than MP's
It's not inherent for English people to be lazy, England and its people was once a country to be proud of. I wonder how many English people are proud to be English. Could the politicians be partly responsible for this.
And how would he know?
Your comments:Maybe he can be replaced by a European worker on minimium wage and Cameron to
and just how exactly would Bercow know this?!?!?
You speak for yourself Mr Speaker.
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They get the jobs because they work for less than half the going rate, live ten to a room and in addition either steal or draw benefits or both at the same.
How the people of Buckingham can vote for this overbearing, jumped up little pipsqueak I don't know. He is an embarrassment to the nation...and his wife?...well..the mind boggles. If this is really the best we can do, as the first commoners in the land, then God help us all.
Revolution now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP for the sake of the entire country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is an over paid, under talented little berk that we would all be much better off without!
Bercow is a Berk and his wife is a cow.
Who does he think he is, him and Sally. Thought he's meant to keep his thoughts to himself otherwise what are we paying him for not to mention his wish to increase his wages by £20k. British people have had enough of British injustice, lack of morals and selfishness within its own government to preach to us how hard we work. Sort the country out first, that includes the NHS, we were fine 20 years ago so you tell me
This man shouldn't even be allowed to come out with sheissen like this along with the other highway robbers in the current Government I suggest he takes his comments and his wife and goes to live in whatever other Country would have him. These people are the absolute limit the sooner UKIP get in and these freeloaders get out the better.
How would he know, he probably never had a proper job.
The problem is: they work in UK but dont spend in UK! They work few years & take the cash back to home countries where buying a house (or mansion) is VERY CHEAP. So, after 10 years work in UK, they are comparitively "super rich/upper class" back in original countries (eg East Europe, Philipines, or other place) . Whereas British people need to earn a wage which can buy a house & future in expensive UK!!!
what stupid logic from mr bercow! how could this possibly benefit Britain? this just puts more Britons on the dole , with no hope of employment, while the bosses have cheap labour. this politician , like so many, has given up on his countrymen and betrayed the working classes. he should be fighting for better wages and conditions for british workers, like his party was created for , not betraying them.
And Mr Bercow expects those he admonishes to vote for him and his party?...think not matey
Can't they be good for their own countries. We'll cope.
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Time this ignorant dwarf was put to the lions. Just how is he able to carry on in this medieval role without anyone able to chastise him or him to be sacked?
Why insult the people who are paying you salary? And expenses of course
SO ALL THOSE RECEIVEING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF BENEFITS AND LIVING IN THE LAP OF THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES ALL ON THE TAX PAYER AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN CLAIMING BENEFITS AND HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB ARE GOOD FOR US ARE THEY? BLOCKING UP SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND HOUSING LISTS? THAT IS GOOD FOR US IS IT? TREVOR MCDONALD SHOWED A POLISH WOMAN WORKING PART TIME AS A CLEANER WITH A COUNCIL FLAT AND TWO CHILDREN IS VALUE FOR MONEY IS IT MR BURKE!
And I wonder what Belcows work ethic is like. Vote UKIP and get rid of these parasites.
You just have to take one look at the current Government to know that he speaks the truth - at least in the circles he operates in.....
No body worker harder at fiddling his expenses than Bercow!!
And nobody can work harder at funneling tax cash into their own accounts better than parasite politicians.
We should put them in Parliament then should'nt we?
Why on earth would un-educated people choose to work in menial un-skilled jobs, when they can make a good living on state welfare, living in a free house, and spending their life in the pub and on the sofa?
Shove off Bercow you backstabbing worm.
Weird little runt bercow, isn't he? I know a lot of Polish people with enviable work ethics, but I don't think he was visiting Poland was he? He loves his political correctness, bercow, and he is not fit to be speaker.
Not nearly as hard working as Mrs Bercow's twitter account or her lawyers
employers don't give work to the british first because they would have to pay more
what an odious little toad Mr, Bercow is, he and his wife deserve one another , but we the British electorate deserve neither of the two.I suppose he considers his speakers job as hard work ,sitting on his a--e all day, he wouldn't know what a real hard days work is.
The Speaker of the House of Commons used to be a position filled by people one could admire, such as George Thomas and Betty Boothroyd. How did this person get appointed? I will never understand why he was given the job.
They could probably do a better and cheaper job than this goon.
What a absolute idiot this man is, he should shut his big mouth and try to keep his wife under control before making stupid statements like this... idiot
What would this idiot know? Do they all live around him, is that where he gets his evidence or does his dippy wife tell him what to say.
I got to ask you dm , whats that red line at the left hand side of my comment ?. am I getting to many things right .
Idiot ! It's just one thing after another with these two, if it isn't his wife saying things that she shouldn't then you can rely on the Speaker of the House of Commons to put his foot in his mouth, and to continue to try to utter inanities around it.
In that case Mr Bercow-we can stop all benefits given to them and they canpay for their health treatment etc. Then we British can have our taxes lowered can not be so down trodden!!
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man. - Voice of sanity, Wolverhampton, NaN/NaN/NaN NaN:NaN dont worry, mate. it will soon happen when we become part of the impending federal europe.
thats hillarious as my first week at a perfume packing place i was told by the supervisor that i alone had done twice as much work in one day than eight polish workers had done all week .
This man is a total disgrace to his position. Engage brain before opening mouth comes to mind he and his wife have a lot in common
His name is John? I always thought he was a Richard!!! *innocent face*
What he means in reality they like cheap nanny's and other domestics for the "Elite" which he is deluded he is, I have a funny feeling he is going to come to a sticky end
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much. - D Page , Ronda, Spain, 05/6/2013 15:53 DM complained & took of my comment for calling him a Berk! Pathetic newspaper.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
this clown has no idea no sense no integrity what a complete t t totaly unfit for his post or any thing else
Delman, 666 London. Yup, baseball or rounders as you call it is a girly game. It's so easy to dive into say first or second base to avoid the tag, what's a few bloody scrapes along the gravel. Now go from third base to home to score the run. No problem, you've only that 250 lb catcher in the way. If you collide, think train wreck or brick wall, if you can think. And don't get hit by the ball. because if you do the urge to scream expletives will be overwhelming. The only thing more overwhelming will be the pain. In future please refrain from postings on which you apparently know little or nothing about. To the ladies, no insult intended, many of you play a damn fine game of ball, whether softball or hardball.
The trouble is Mr Bercow, your job isn't at risk from them ,mine is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save the UK Vote UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree- DingDong, London, 5/6/2013 8:28.....You probably looked for someone who can speak a different language.
John Bercow. the despicable. But friend of UKIP. He looks and acts like a spoilt child anyway. He and, for instance, Vince Cable, besides holding their fellow countrymen in contempt, don't know what they are talking about and perpetrate a deep betrayal of hard working people.
He has just insulted the british people here, are we going to just stand here and take it. The Best remedy is to prove that is not the case, and throw those words back in his face. Who is with me?
anybody works harder than this slug, he is an overpaid idiot witha wife who laughs at him, plank..... anyway what would he know of the real world idiot,..
DISGUSTING STATEMENT......so so typical of our MPs.....who do LESS work than the average UK Taxpayer......
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match. - Have a nice day, New York City, United States, 5/6/2013 13:43 = well they needed a cuppa after fighting alone for a few years , you dont need a break when you have only just turned up do you >>>seriously do you belive that guff ???? like your troops they would have been told to stand down and rest up , this involves for the british a cup of tea , for the americans a coffee ...you dont fight 24/7 your unit is used and then rested , get it right and do NOT disrespect ALL soldiers with your stupid comments ..im sure a day vet from new york will put you right , someone who landed on the day and fought the war not someone who rocked up after and was (as you say) in the rear with the gear
I've seen John Bercow at "work" first hand, I'll say no more.
Let me just go an tell the Polish down my street who don't work that they're apparently hard workers.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says!
Everytime he opens his big mouth someone should put their foot in it.
When you think of the Speakers we have had in the past - Fitzroy, Wetherill, Boothroyd to name but three, how on earth did we get lumbered with the last two? I thought Martin was bad enough, but Bercow takes the phrase "Insipid little creep" to a whole new level. What do these people have against the British - and what does it say about our MPs that this is the type of person they select as Speaker???
Another gem from the manual of leadership? Not the one I knew, Never belittle your people, or discourage them. Give praise and encourage them. We get IDS belittling the poor for not marrying well and dragging themselves off £53 quid a week. UK Plc certainly is under the cosh - no carrots. beat them more they will perform. The only mistake the British people made was believing the lies by 'professional' politicians with little or no life or work experience.
The party of the working classes........shows how little they really think of their core voters....another reason to vote UKIP
What does he know about hard work ?
this is an insult to hard working british people.
Another pompous overblown politician.
You people are all so small minded....
Fine let's all vote them in as mp's ,most people work harder than the shower that we have .
They also work harder than MP's but then again so does everybody else
I am currently working with a Brit and she is one of the hardest workers I know. I have lived and worked in the UK as well, and I have never encountered a lazy bad worker in any of them. Maybe Bercow needs to get to know some of his own people first.
You mean they are willing to work for less so your fat cat mates get richer......lets save money on your job Bercrow I bet I can find someone willing to do your job for 50% less then you get paid......
That's rich coming from the man who doesn't do any work.
its very easy to say this because yes they look like they work more but they dont, the ones over here have come over to WORK yet what about the others that have stayed behind in there own country, does their government spill out the same garbage to them when they see the british over there that are in there country to work and work they do. vote ukip for change.
Bercow is a traitor.
A stupid little man who just can't himself acting the idiot
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something. - AcrossthePond , ex pat, United States, 05/6/2013 14:34 ************************* What? Like you did? Running away to America?
Compared to M:Ps they are certainly are haeder workers. Not hard when you compare them to people who do little or no work
They may or may not work harder. But a generation of British kids will be left on the sidelines because of his ilk.
It's about time we had people in our Houses of Parliament who actually have respect for the people of Britain whom they are purported to serve.
Bercow, what do you know about 'hard work' ?
His views are as left wing as the woman he is married to.
And they all vote Labour, dont they, Mr Disgraceful Speaker. You know, the ones who your party keep in benefits for all their lives whilst here in this country. No wonder you love them so much, but being in Rumania, you would say that, wouldnt you? I bet you would endorse Mr Putins arms agreement with Syria if he gave you and your wife a free holiday.
And still liebour run down the working man. VOTE UKIP FROM NOW ON.
John Bercow a prat married to a prat has no idea about the reality of jobs not available a 16 year old cant get a job without a licence to work in construction which he has trained for until he is 18 then he cant get the same job until he has experience and the money to pay for said licence! the government has put up more stop signs than anyone else to stop school leavers working forcing them to take unpaid work on government schemes but they are not in the trade you have been trained in. Berc-ow is a prat people want jobs they want work but BLAIR screwed that importing untrained electricians and plumbers who put lives at risk from countries who dont care if they can do the work legally and BLAIR says the dodgy qualification's are OK
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something.
This set people have never had any loyalty to the true British.
Hahaha dozey little man. Lets face it, our feckless benefits scroungers give more to society than he does.
He should resign immediately!
Stupid little man! I know lots of (particularly young) people who would love to have a job, but they just aren't given a chance. It's okay for him to get on his high horse and talk such rubbish, he who has such a well paid, fairly secure (and perhaps relatively easy?) job.
The trouble is, he only has the House of Commons to compare them with!
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 = rioght ok , heresa some education for you ..soccer is an italian word , its not a british word and seeing as we INVENTED football it would seem that your wrong , secondly , your game is derived from rugby and therefore was invented AFTER britian invented football , thridly , foot - ball , its short hand for how you play it , NOT chuking to your mate who then catches it and runs with it craddled in his arms , thats rugby NOT football ...rounder is played by girls in the UKM , but you seem to have grown men playing it and calling it base ball
Great Britain has too many David Camerons ! But we only have one Nigel Farage, Bring him on!
That statement sounds Rich coming from him when you consider all MP¿s now work less hours have more holidays,You¿re a Hypocrite Bercow.
Bercow ought to be reamed BURK COW what and insidious little pr**t he is !
Bercow nor any other MP have a right to comment on hard work. They sponge for a living.
That's because we're not given the chance, especially under 21s.
This is misleading but there is an element of truth. Because of the post war Socialist education there are around 25% of school leavers who have levels of numeracy and literacy that handicaps them when it comes to employment,. But worse than that they have been given the entitlement ethic'. so their failings are every one else¿s fault and they may be fodder for Union employment of Local Authorities but they lose in life's chances. We have a large UK contingent in our Netherlands office and they are industrious, flexible and work exceptionally well in a team environment ( much better than the Dutch) But we all feel sorry for the Labour Legions with poor prospects.
Clueless!! I thought that Speakers had to be apolitical! This worm and his shameless wife are a disgrace.
"unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys etc...soccer is played by girls." - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 ------- How about the fact that baseball is a girls' game? Schoolgirls play it over here. It's called Rounders.
The ignorant views of Bercow just back from his lovely lazy long holiday, calling the british workers ,thats why thousands more eastern europeans are to be allowed into UK next year and the tory government probally has the same views as Bercow.
During the 2009 parliamentary expenses scandal, it was revealed that Bercow changed the designation of his second home on more than one occasion ¿ meaning that he avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of two properties. He also claimed just under £1,000 to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. Bercow denied any wrongdoing, but agreed to pay £6,508 to cover any tax that he may have had to pay to HM Revenue and Customs.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
I take it Bercow is using himself as the measuring stick. It wouldn't be difficult to work harder than him an 90% of the MPs
What a load of piffling tosh and a gross generalisation!! Some of us who live in Britain are used to be being called names by various politicians over the years to support their politican ends. I know that during my working life in London, I worked far harder than this politician ever has, and probably ever will. His comments are just to support the social experiment which politicians and the EU are committed to.
So is there not a case for paying a bonus to those on benefits who work at fruit picking time etc rather than having others take the money?
As a leading actor in a pantomime what does Mr Speaker know about work?
This is coming from a man who has probally never done a days work in his life.
This no doubt includes the beggers and those lying around marble arch!
Bercow would be most welcome to discuss this theory in many of the high unemployment areas in the country. The hospitality he can expect might just change his attitude!
Bercow said, 'if you're willing to travel to another country to find a job, you're likely to work harder' It may well not be popular, but it's is correct
This man is a plonker! I know of many English/British who are hard workers. An unfair thing to say sir.
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him. - spike01, rotherham, 05/06/2013 12:25 Hahaha I like this comment, yes very true
when you're sharing the rent and bills with a dozen others you don't mind earning a bit less, it's twice what they'd earn back home anyway, then they send the rest back home !!!
Oh Bercow perhaps you should try a hard day of work you silly little prat Vote UKIP
they definetly work harder than MPs
Does he even know what work is? Just ignore him and he will go away I find him laughable as I have no respect for him or what he thinks.
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind here. Hes 100% CORRECT.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match.
Maybe we need to get rid of our home bred politicians and import them from abroad. Bye bye Mr Bercow you're as dopey as your missus.
Seems like he is purposely trying to provoke a reaction to give momentum to the holier than thou political class's attack on public opinion. Do not fall for it...keep calm and carry on. He knows he betrays us with these words..so it must have been ''accidentally on purpose''!
How was the English managed before.
How was the English manage before.
I wish people would shut up about this rubbish, this might be the case down south but it certainly is not the case in the North East where people have always had to graft hard to earn a living.
My bathroom was done by polish builders, they were total cowboys and everything that could be done wrong - was.terribke quality and workmanship. I also getting sick if polish presuming I dont know their swear words and shouting it every opportunity they can!
He needs firing UKIP for me
Needs to get out more.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
Just like his missus!
Wonder how we managed before they came. A days work would kill this little man.
A perfect example for a public vote on recall.....remember MP's voted him into office.The public should be given the choice to vote him out.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him.
Is it a physical impossibility for this fool to keep his mouth SHUT!!!!
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs.
"I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34" ................. You have absolutely no idea. Those of us fortunate to have jobs in this climate work damn hard to hold onto them. Whilst I would not generalise a complete nation as you seem to do, those E Europeans you hold in such high regard in the US are possibly not those that have chosen to bleed the UK dry - friendly, hard working and law-abiding? Don't make me laugh! 'Finders Keepers' is most definitely in their moral code, regardless of where they 'found' it!!
Mr Bercow. Must I remind you that this is not a question of race, it is a question of space. And that is a commodity we do not have.
Perhaps Mr Bercow's knowledge of British workers is limited to MPs. Which makes him right doesn't it?!
Does that include the travelling community.
How the hell would Bercow know as he has never worked a day in his life. he also earns more than the Prime Minister .... for what?
British are lazy just like dads army
POISON DWARF
Why are we not shocked? Paid by the public, answers to the public? I think not! The PM should have him removed in the national interest, and because he is pointless!
I'd like Bercow and his silly wife to emigrate to Eastern Europe for a long, long time. There they could find real work with people they admire.
End this madness it does not seem that a day goes by now without a politician does not slate us for not following their 'doctrine' and they have forgotten "they work for us" (mass propaganda) apparently and that in a democracy we can oppose their views i.e. yesterday we had the Lib Dem MP calling all green deniers 'dangerous' and Cameron calling UKIP Supporter 'Loonies' all because he wants to remain in the EU. I have been a member of the Conservative Party since 2002 and I am about to join UKIP the big three monopoly must come to an end they hold us in complete contempt with dissonance and I am sick of it. If we have 'movement' of free Labour can we not place a Polish man in Bercows job? a Dutch man in Osbornes job? an Italian in Hague's job and vote them after all this would be democracy and the laws of the EU being enforced properly but then again the 'movement of free LABOUR' is only applicable to the prolateriat
All the MPs are on benefits and expenses, yet never work very hard. Time this Bercow gave up his free company flat and joined the working world.
A talking Gnome ???????????????
Lots are, plenty aren't. Of course he may be comparing them to his lazy wife who seems to do nothing except behave like an exhibitionist.
What chance do we have when the powers that be are against us? We are doomed!!!
said it from the start, we have a left wing speaker! how can you have a "speaker" with political bias
If it's true, then they would be better working hard in their own countries and getting their own industries booming. We have had a brain drain in this country for years and it would seem that Poland and similar countries are now suffering a brawn drain. All the Brits I know have worked hard since before leaving school and have continued to work into their 40's. I don't know any scroungers and there are very few jobs here for Polish workers as most positions are picked up by hard working locals.
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!! - luckylooloo22 , Stoke On Trent, 05/6/2013 12:20 ----- haha bookies around aldershot are full of elderly nepelese paying there pensions into the machines
Praise all you want Bercow! You have no idea what these people you support say about you. Probably the same as this: Someone I know went to an employment agency up North. Having asked for an application form, one member of staff turned to the other and said "Typical English ***". She had no idea that the lady with this person could speak Polish. Think on Mr!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******. - Angryscouse, Bristol, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 12:24 _________________________ All of the things you say may well be true except one.......Berk Off was made Speaker by the LABOUR Party..........The Tories protested at the time but were overruled.
Speak for yourself and that worthless wife of yours!
Will somebody please smack this stupid man around the head. I am not lazy and was around when Britain was great. It's idiots like him who got this once great nation in a mess.
Apart from the statement being quite possibly illegal it is patently untrue, since several recent surveys have shown that Britons - quite probably because of fear of job losses during a recession - have been working the LONGEST hours of any country in Europe.
Won't be any of yer proper British there soon, considering almost anyone can just turn up now have a kid waive a British passport around . Glad I'm no longer there. By the way I'm an Englishman .
That's the small fraction who actually work, what about the ones who claim and are still claiming unemployment benefits?!
VOTE UKIP AND KICK EM IN TOUCH TOUCH
TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
there is a generation of young lazy English folks it starts from a young age first they don't respect there own family so they don't like authority so they skip school which means no respect and no education coupled with the benefits the English people get and throw in the mix and of beer and drugs equals lazy English people
I don't think it's so much that we are lazy, just that the world has changed and the population hasn't caught up yet. Brits (also Europeans and Americans) tend to work smarter and need less supervision, but expect high wages for it. Residents of the emerging countries usually had to work hard even to get to college and when they get good jobs they graft their butts off to succeed. In most of the Pacific Rim, for example, the results of not making it in the job market are sleeping on the streets around them, while here you just have a few kids and you're on the gravy train.. When Western people start to understand that they need to work to live we'll start to prosper again. Until then the decline will continue.
Bercow's comment constitutes a race hate crime and he should be prosecuted accordingly.
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much - Willow, Down Town, 5/6/2013 11:53 ____________________________ Fear.
No you idiot, what they are is CHEAPER workers, and everyone knows this game now, Let's look at the situation, - no water, no money, no jobs and now (they say) no food. And still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
UKIP in next election it's the only way to keep Britain on it's feet !
It is a shame that this man did not use good old fashion commonsense before he opened his mouth. To me he is what is bad about politicians how he was ever made speaker of the house I will never understand. Is Mr. Bercow in favour of cheap labour but the taxpayer foots the bill for supplying more education, medical and housing to the newcomers.
Me and mrs bercow should move to Eastern Europe!
tell that to the many victims of crime brought in from the E.M EURO MESS by politician's who don't give two hoots for the voter who put them there. POLITICIAN'S ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE ? NEXT JOKE
come to newcastle and tell me to my face im lazy and dont work hard you silly little pratt
The truth hurts....unfortunately we are lazy!
TIME FOR YOU TO GO YOU SILLY MAN - YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD !!
NOT HARDER WORKERS,CHEAP WORKERS,JUST WHAT THE TORIES LIKE.IF YOU CAN DO A JOB IN UK CHEAPER THAN BRITISH WORKERS THEN YOU ARE WECOME TO COME AND WORK,AS OUR BRITS CHARGE TO MUCH.YOU PATHETIC CAMALOON TORIES.
The whole POINT of being a wealthy country like the UK is that we don't have to work all hours to survive. It's taken centuries to achieve this, but if politicians have their way we'll go back to working (and living) like we did a hundred years ago!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
Thats becuase you pay and reward British people for not working with houses, free cash, free dentist care, free eye treatment free school dinners, free central heating systems, free council tax etc etc....
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
more money in your slimey pockets eh! robber...and your fool missus
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN. - MrJolly, Chorley Lancashire England Voiting UKiP, 5/6/2013 11:58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He was voted into the position of Speaker by LABOUR!
Thankfully this is another idiot that will be gone when UKIP get in at the next election.
And Bercow knows all about hard work doesn't he? The fool's never had a proper job!
Dey took our jeerrrrrbs!
WHAT DOES BERCOW KNOW ABOUT HARD WORK? JUST ANOTHER JUMPED UP SELF CENTRED PARASITE
Please someone remove this man from his position.
Jenny, Edinburgh..... I think it is rather unrealistic to believe that company's would actually re-locate to another country due to workforce productivity, when there are so many qualified British citizens who are looking for work. Perhaps a more realistic account would be more to do with profits? It is no great secret that those who go over to Britain from Europe and seek work are more than happy to undercut the pay of the very people who have been doing the work for many years. Sad but true.
His mouth is as slack as his stupid wife's - they would both do better to shut up and keep their views to themselves. Save a lot of legal fees too that way. Daft pair.
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham.
Shame the rest of Europe didn't show there great work ethic when 'ze Germans' were attacking. Needed us 'bone idle' Brits didn't you. British people are simply smarter so we just feel deserving of better jobs and not manual labour rubbish
The man's totally deluded, is calling him a 5 king idiot abusive? His statement is abusive towards British citizens.
A little man with a small mind and big stupid mouth!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN.
How on Earth would this overgrown garden Gnome have the faintest idea what hard work looks like? His only hard work is inventing new expenses claims and keeping his idiot wife from making him look even more useless than he already is!!.
I would just love to see Bercow do a year in a proper job with normal wages and having to pay his own bills.....
I agree with him and it's based on my own experience. I previously worked in a university and the British students had no interest in building their work experience and gaining valuable skills. The international students however, were always at the careers service, trying to find out as much as possible and taking on a lot of work. Employers also stated that they preferred the international students and that British students would be on their phone all the time, not complete work and show up late. We would be asked by employers all the time to only advertise to international students, which of course legally we cannot do. When legislation changed and it became more difficult for international student to work after graduation, many employers told us this would affect their business greatly. Some even saying they were thinking of moving away from the UK. I know that university students are only a small portion of society, but I do think the British laziness is a big problem.
So we lazy British know exactly who NOT to vote for next time it comes up don't we.
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much
Explains why all the local farmers use picking gangs made up of every nationality but British, as one was quoted about Brits last year- few apply and none last a couple of days.
This from someone riding on the gravy train.
The man is mad and not worthy of such high office.
Hmm. Benefiting Britian... ??? How.. ??? Or do you mean.. over 3m Brits on on Benefits That costing the country a fortune... He is Totally Out of Touch in his rent free Ivory Tower at the Palace of Westminister...
On what does Bercow base his comment? He has no right to speak, as he is just another posh boy who has never even had a proper job. Buffoon.
If they are so hard working why are their own countries not booming with industry and world class manufacturing output? What did they do before the borders were opened? just sit about idle?
Hark at this dwarf . Which one of the seven is he . Dopey ??
Not just a dwarf, but a little one at that.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!! - Las Palmas 123, Munchen, Germany, 5/6/2013 10:48 And how much an hour do you pay him??
lets not kid ourselves the majority of labour that has come to these shores is not the skilled that we were promised that would fill any skills shortages here. its the unskilled masses that have come and employers are taking advantage of it for there own profits. all this talk of them being harder workers is a whitewash. find who they are and start boycotting them
Bercow has just broken the law. Discrimination is illegal. Sort it Westminster before very angry Brits who want work sort you.
Well lets face it everyone works harder then Bercow.
That's right Mr Bercow....now take your medication...it will to keep you out of touch with reality and stop you thinking about what Sally might do next. Then...if you're a very good boy, you can sit on that Commons chair...you know...the one that makes you look so very tall and really, really big and important!
I think he's got a cheek for someone who sits in a chair for a few hours a day shouting oder every now and the.
Typical stupidity from a politician who has no idea what he 's talking about and doesn't live in the real world, if you haven't got anything intelligent or relevant to say Mr Bercow i suggest you shut your ignorant mouth.
Have found Daves E Mail and just sent him my views hope he reads them
what a stupid statement from the silly know nowt little man:
Can someone please ask him how he knows this ,is it from personal experience or is it based on hearsay from friends and other politicians? Evidence is not exactly clear but then we are talking about a Bercow!Seems he has learnt nothing from his wife's stupid utterances.Car crash family.
How would he know ?
So Bercow! When you were up for election and after votes, did you tell your constituents they were all lazy and benefit scroungers, No thought you didn't. About time we all voted UKIP because non of the parties we have now have your interests at heart
By Britons I assume he means lazy British MP's who make sloths look like workaholics
well someone who actually chose sally bercow as a wife and mother of his children and can actually stomach her company every day really shouldn't be in a position to say anything really oily little twit
did nt take your job did they sunshine ......
Why is it that people like him are always ready to run British people down, in his position it is disgraceful. I just wish this arrogant little man living of the taxpayer would disappear and take his self seeking odious wife with him.
well perhaps this avaricious parasite can do without his housekeeper and lead by example
Bercow go and live in one of your favoured countries then.Whats stopping you? Oh yes, would really have to slog for a pittance chairs and perks not allowed Off you go now you know you want to!
bill. Lowestoft 11.05 I always email Cameron the 10 downing st web site
Do you think he is spending to much time with his dopey useless wife,Yes,,Me to
#!@#king idiot
Bercow should be made to start work at 6am in the morning sweeping the streets for a month or two, maybe then he would have some idea of what the word work means.
Why is this idiot the Speaker?
Yes that's right it is very hard working of them to get down the benefits office to steal what they are not entitled to and it's exhausting getting drunk and making trouble and as for the effort it takes to pick-pocket and steal what's not theirs they should be given a holiday on us for the effort they put in to that.
This odious little creep hasn't a clue what the word "work" means.
Anything this pipsqueak of a man utters' should be ignored. He is only spouting his (Labour)Party line.
Bercow went to university and then became a politician. he has never done a hard days work in his entire life. i have no idea what he thinks gives him the right to say something like this...
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 -------- And just what would you know about it. I'd shut up if I were you, or should we suggest flooding your country with many thousands of hard working, friendly, law-abiding Mexicans. No I thought not.
what about the ones that come here and dont work there costing us more then wot goes in ie nhs,benifits if they aint workin kick them out save millions that way
So if they are such good workers why did he not advise them to stay in their own country and make it the Eldorado of the EU?
Dwarf boy.
tez65 Leicester 1056. Glad you have just E Mailed Dave . Cannot find EMail Address for dave anywhere any chance of putting it on comments ???????????????
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
If I'd voted for him I'd be ashamed and embarrassed.
This useless man and his useless wife have never done a hard days work in their lives he is typical politician speak before engaging the brain. Horrible little man
Yes, that's why the get all the jobs.
I believe that he originates from eastern Europe as do many of our esteemed MP's of all the three main parties and house of Lords.
I should imagine that his constiuents are very annoyed by his remarks, pity he cannot be given a vote of no confidence by them.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike , Essex, 05/6/2013 10:36 ------ You forget, Mike, politicians don't need qualifications. Bercow proves the point. With the right spin, any gobby, egotistical, dimwit can become an MP.
Does he know every worker personally to support this non neutral view? can he provide us with proof? How many does he actually work with then? He certainly doesn't seem to mind being kept in his comfy lifestyle by brit taxpayers though. Perhaps we should replace him & all the mps for lower paid eu staff who might show more loyalty to those who pay their wages. The pro eu pr will include knocking brit workers. But then uk just accept it & just moan abit. Perhaps there should be more honest conversation with those who live in the real world about which workers they prefer. Those who benefit personally from the eu have all the public platforms & will do everything to keep it. Lower wages & less rights, & buy to let has increased & rents have gone up with demand. Wonder if any mps are benefiting from this? For those on here who agree with his remarks, appearing to be located in the uk, often from the london area. Do you personally include yourselves as being inferior workers then?
Bercow? that a welsh name?
C'mon people pity him,after all look what he is married to!
The Poisoned Dwarf said, " The media views, do not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." That is correct you Self Serving little IDIOT. THEY REFLECT THE VIEWS AND CONCERNS OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. Another example, of how out of touch the political elite are, with the British Electorate. Vote UKIP.
I am sick of this odious little man so I have just emailed call me Dave at number 10 telling him what I think, Don't suppose it will do much but at least I feel better, hope more do the same.
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow? - paul, gillingham, 5/6/2013 10:27 >>>>>>> What about all of the hidden unemployed who are and have been searching for work since redundancy? What about those British in their late forties onward and up to what would have been regarded as retirement age. Do they not deserve to have a job too? What about all of the greedy over sixty fives who still occupy a position which could be filled by a young British person? Do our young not deserve a fair deal and a future too? Do the British believe they can no longer think for themselves or make decisions anymore? Everybody, apart from the British people, appear to know what's best for them. UK = Dystopia
PARASITE
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow! - jjkh , Herts, 05/6/2013 10:19 ----------- Surely you don't expect Bercow to think of these things. For that he would need a brain which he clearly lacks as he doesn't realise his position as Speaker requires a neutral position on all thing political. He should be removed from office and replaced with somebody who is and isn't so gobby.. He won't be as they are all in it together, aren't you Dave.
How would Bercow know? He wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit him in the face.
The man is definitely right. Well said.
What would John Bercow know about hard work? He has never done a day's work in his life. Damned cheek!!
Well said Mr Bercow a true Tory if ever there was one.As Cameron said Britain couldn't survive without cheap labour and hard workers comeing from all the EU eastern Block countries.Why do u think we needed to join the EU in the first place Margret T had to get rid of the unions and high labour costs.Company bosses should only pay what they think workers are worth.It was dragging Britain down.Besides we can get all we need much cheaper from EU countries.Tory values will put the ordinary people in poverty,but Britain will be strong?
All we need to do is agree a family swap treatise. A family arrive in the country and get jobs, we stop benefits for one local family. Over time no one who wants to be employed is unemployed and no one receives benefits.
Sky news was running a story last night about EU referendum poll in which it showed 51% wants to get out of EU and 49% doesn't want to. Now what is to follow is the interesting part of this silly poll. Guess how many samples were used? Just 1600 people and they are telling as though the whole country has voted for this silly poll. When we have Idiots like this Bercow and new channels like them, we do not need anymore enemies.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!!
"It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job. - sd, uk, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 10:22" This is illegal. Report this to your local council. Report this to your MP. Boycott the store. Unless we start bombarding the people WE PAY to "govern" this country, they will continue to walk all over us/ignore us. Sadly, though, it is the British way to tut and roll our eyes, rather than complain and protest. Whilst I do not have a lot of time for the French, at least they protest - and how! - if they are unhappy about something!
Yep I am sure some are, but also as we have no points system and anyone can come here I have only witnessed and known of violence, drunkenness, driving without insurance or licence and drunk, littering, lots of terrible anti social behaviour, and the destruction of communities. I am sure some are hard workers, however we have not just let in the hard workers have we.
Pity they are not so hard working in their own countries. I have stayed in these countries and seen jobs which should take a couple of weeks drag into months or even years. The reason may be something to do with the fact that although there may be a dozen guys officially on the job, you are lucky to see even one working. The rest will be sitting smoking, chatting or looking - no matter what time of the day you pass them
Answer Time for UKIP
The Speaker has spoken...and what a load of tosh. He would be better placed concentrating on family matters and leaving the important issues of the day alone
Well after that comment I am voting UKIP
Not the most sensible comments to make by the speaker, but then he is always putting his foot in his rather large mouth.
HAHA, who is this complete idiot, typical rich wasp attitude, if they work so hard go over there then so they can work so hard in their own country and take this fool with you
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike, Essex, 05/06/2013 09:36 AM Try getting some qualifications then Mike !!!
I don't mind anyone coming here and working hard but I don't agree with us giving them benefits to top up their income! They should support themselves for the first 10yrs. NO CHILD BENEFIT either.
The only people it has benefited are rich company owners. This man, like the rest of the 'A' holes in Westminster, are completely out of touch with what many people in Britain are going through at the moment. They make me sick passing comment and judgment on people when they're living in t heir ivory towers - a complete and utter disgrace (and his gobby Mrs)
Coming from a man who seems to do nothing but mile the system, lets not even get started with his wife.
Bercow and his ilk will say this WHY a lot of these people in the up market Kensington and Chelsea areas not to mention the rest have a cheap scource of house keepers and cleaners working for them on cheap rates FACT ....
This doughball is missing the point entirely. Irrespective of who works harder, or who earns the most money, where does said money go? Where is said money invested? Who's economy is boosted by said money? Come on Mr. Speaker, do try to buck up!
Obviously bases his comment on himself and his wife.....well shorty, we aren't all like you.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!!
Bercow should be made to expend a little more backbreaking effort, on a building site, up to his knees in mud, at minimum wage. The British work ethic is fine. This is something which people, similar to Bercow, have never been made to learn.
Bercow is British. Ergo he's just called himself lazy. I expect better from MPs.
"Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?" Delete the words "to Britain" and the question is more relevant.
Slightly off-topic I suppose but: I have just returned home to Spain from a couple of weeks in St Anns, near Blackpool. Last time we went there all the Hotels etc were staffed by people from other countries, even as far afield as Belorussia (hello Paul if you are still in the Country - what a brilliant Barman). This time around however, they have all disappeared and guess what? The Hotels, Bars etc are nearly all staffed by young Brits. Has something happened recently? Apart from the Labour lot being booted out of Government that is?
I feel insulted by his comments. I worked all my life and worked hard. He should not be making such wide sweeping comments.
Sad but true!! If we didn't't have a benefits system that allows anyone to decide they do not want to work they can live a life paid for by the taxpayer and MP's supporting this ideal then we would not have this problem, also Labour must answer the question , why they invited so many people to come here and accept lower wages than the local workforce!!
He should start by giving up his job for a Polish worker then.
Please move to that country and take your wife with you, you can add to that countries work ethic. SO SORRY I FORGOT MYSELF, YOUR A POLITICIAN.
Well said Thoughtfox!
Typical Tory twit...Born with a golden foot in his mouth.
Numpty.
This is what is known as "little man" syndrome!
I wish all the Brits emigrate out of the UK then we can really get UK PLC back on track
and pygmy politicians...shut up squeaker
Bercow is a fine one to talk about work ethics after claiming for dirty weekends on his expenses, and trying to block the publication of details of MPs expenses which could show if they are renting their taxpayer-funded homes to each other. Oh.. and his children*s nanny lives in her own taxpayer-funded flat in the Houses of Parliament......The Speaker of the House should be neutral, and he is CLEARLY not, so BERCOW should resign.
He is spot on, they aren't all the workshy burdens that UKIP would have you think
Has any speaker in Britain's history ever been as controversial as this miserable little worm?
deluded!! on many counts
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow?
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
In that case why aren't their own countries thriving, successful hives of industry, so the poor wretches don't have to leave hearth and home, to come here, grub up root vegetables for a pittance and squat in grotty hovels?
Let him spout and idiots like him, it just drives more and more people over to UKIP.
What the hell does he know about reality???
Our politicians in Westminster are completely out of touch with the British people.
"Workers" - yes the ones who actually work may have benefited the UK but only the ones who WORK
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
Would they be so "hard working and vital" if they were made to live in your area Mr Bercow?
Well that's a sweeping statement and a half isn't it!! Is this guy paid to hav an opinion!! Unreal!!!
What would he, or any MP know about hard work? They live a very pampered lifestyle yet they have the hubris to think that they are worth it! I despair with these people. When are going to wake up and ditch the lot of them? - ali westerman north wales
Good luck with that at the next election, Bercow!
Don't forget this little nonety was forced on this government by labour, in revenge for the demise of the last speaker, "Gorbal Mick" over the MP's expenses scandal mishandling.
Im sure many do work hard but others are a huge cost to us that drains away any gain.They dont all work hard or are honest or their countries wouldnt be in the mess they are.We all know the MAIL REALLY SUPPORTS THE EU !!!
A sad but true quotation. Many Brits are still under the impression that we own half the world, and therefore don't have to get off their bone-idle backsides to work. Having said that, when there are companies like Next, who use an agency (I believe it's called something like Salisbury), who ONLY advertise in Poland, they ONLY interview in Poland, they ONLY do the assessment tests in Poland, you have to wonder why Brits still support shops and companies like this. It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job.
Let's replace our MPs with those who work FOR us, not AGAINST us! If this is what he thinks of the electorate who pay his over inflated salary and expenses he can ...... off and work elsewhere.
Time to replace Mps with german or polish see how they like losing their jobs no their jobs are safe like wise the people in media they all make me sick .Time to stand up for our rights me thinks
Maybe he's referring to those in the public employ, personally at 52.5 hours a week I've never worked harder for less
I wish he would emigrate!
What would he know about life outside Westminster.
Bercow has demonstrated his lack of political neutrality many times. An essential attribute of the role. He should be removed from office.
Ignore him, he's an idiot! perhaps he hasn't been in the news lately!!
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow!
The Gov, are far from hard workers. This makes me laugh, especially when Camergoon is of on holiday every five minutes. "I have to go of on breaks to keep me sain Cameron says" Well, in the real world most hard working people get 4 weeks of a year, if your lucky.
If any politican sums up the smug, over priviledged, it in for himself stereotype then its this gurning chump... i still despise him from the interview he gave with Tom Bradbury in 2009. Available on YouTube.
Just like the majority of MPs, they detest their own people !!!
a truly little man in all respects
There is one certainty Bercow is no benefit to Britain.
what a stupid little man
They probably are, but so were all the other slaves this country used to have. Doesn't make it right does it?
Bit of a general statement there is it not...?
Will they still be working hard in 5yrs time when they find out how much they can get on benefits.
Probably a harder worker than he is, hi Jonny hows the wife.
I'm guessing he's never travelled on the London underground after 4pm to be confronted with loud mouthed east euros, drunk, spitting, leering at women, carrying 6ft step ladders and other large tools....
Another day...and another half of the double act - Berk and Cow utters complete twaddle again!
I agree with the fact our Lords Ladies and RHM are as dishonest and lazy as most imports!
This man says these stupid things just to wind people up, best thing to do is ignore him.
Germany and several Scandanavian countries seem like very well run places. Perhaps we should employ legislators from these countries instead of the lazy Brits, who seem content to let a coterie of bankers dictate policy.
hmmm increased crime, drunkeness, strain on the NHS, benefits going to their children still at home abroad......
Hands up those who will vote traitors into power again ie the three main parties traitors who have dirty minds and clean hands?
as the wife keeps her mouth shut, he opens his...............
@------" I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you
Perhaps if the government educated our young properly and gave them some hope, this would not be the case!!
Your comments: Spot on!
Well past time to remove these MPs and replace them with people that work FOR the British public not AGAINST the British public!
How dare he insult us hard working British, he's as bad as his wife.
I think we should have GERMAN MPs as they are harder working more efficient and better than they clowns we have
Compared to his silly vapid wife and MP's the gnome is right. Of course he'll think that what ge says is true it was his party's policy to let them in for no reason than to spite the Tories. He is paid to be neutral isn't he? This is the nth time he hasn't been and what with his wife's antics he should have the grace to resign.
How does he know this? What contact does he have with them? Its a insulting statemen I want to know where he got his facts?
He should know, after all - just think, he's surrounded by over 600 examples of the British 'worker'...indeed he's one of them. Maybe we should fire all the MPs since they're such lazy workers!!
to see someone who suppose to have no political views as speaker be so anti british how the hell did he get the job. Oh thats right he a puppet for his puppet masters.
he as been around to many lazy M.P.s
Vote ukip :D
Another DAMMED good reason to vote UKIP.
How on earth does this Burke Bercow ALWAYS manage to annoy everybody when he opens his mouth..UGH !!!
His got to try and make some freind's somewhere as he has to be one of the most hated in his own country.
Bercow and his missus have never down a days work in their life , the problem with this Country and Europe are bone idle greedy corrupt politicians like him.
I work in the hotel Industry & the only reason they hire Europeans is they don't have to pay the same level of TAX/NI to the government by labeling the job as a migrant position. Its about a £500- 800 saving per employee so when you have a thousand employees the numbers add up to big cost savings plus they can hire & fire them at will. They are cheap & disposable & that's why the government & Business love them, Take away the TAX breaks so all workers are on an equal footing & watch how fast these businesses change track.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
MP's are voted into power to govern the people not replace them with those seeking lebensraum. Besides the work ethic of the migrants is likely to dissipate once they learn the benefits system, something most are certainly not used to in the country of origin.
What Bercow fails to realise i this, yes many of these migrants are hard workers, but the fast majority of them do this hard work at a reduced cost and under the threat of losing the job they have got. I work both as a HGV driver and Senior Administration and Finance officer and in both jobs I have seen this. For exams, I currently work as a HGV driver for a well know grocery store through and agency. There are 3 gentlemen, all polish who work for the same agency doing the same job as me yet I get paid £9.50 an hour and they get paid £7.75 with no overtime payment. There are those immigrants who stick to their guns and demand the same rights as us English, but the majority are too scared and have to work harder and longer just to make a livible wage. If the government made all employers pay the same wage across the board then you will see a big shift in the work ethics of a migrant. The other issues is many migrants don't pay tax as their employers pay cash in hand at less then £6
Lol and his wife is a hard worker,,, Good Grief,, spongers both of them..
I think he is confusing 'Hard working' with 'Cheaper' I've been in the building industry for 16yrs and the recent changes in labour force have most defiantly not brought more productivity or skill to the industry. Recent clients have spoke of past bad experiences of immigrant builders where on first impressions they seem extremely hard working but then all has become clear towards the finish as job is nowhere near complete and overruns by months. What is happening is the immigrant workers are willing to work for almost half local workers and they will be paid on an hourly rate or day rate basis so they will make up some of the difference by 'being on site long hours' and 'being on site weekends' not to be confused with working long hours or working weekends. Over the last few years I've seen this first hand so I feel I'm far more qualified than our man Mr Berkow to speak on this subject and really don't appreciate more MPs slating off the British workforce which built this country.
Anybody would be harder working than his wife!!
They're certainly harder working than our MP's. But then you'd practically have to be a corpse to be worse!
Employers have been able to get rich as they go East to get cheap workers and school them in topping up their lower wages with tax funded benefits- including housing. The indulged Bercows are cushioned from all the effects on schools, hospitals etc etc. Thanks to Europe and our soooo compliant government it's a lose lose for the British working man. How would JB feel watching someone take his job knowing that the taxes he has paid are being used to make this possible. At least JB's speech shows whose side Parliament is on.
This incideous poisoned dwarf hasnt done a good days work in his life, how dare he tell us that foreigners work harder than the indigenous people. The only good thing I can see in a labour goverment is the end of this creep and his petulant power crazy female.
bercow spouts - ¿But the media is not the Government and it is not Parliament. I am here as a friend of Romania and someone who sees the benefits of immigration.¿......................................Is there not a position of 'speaker' in the Romanian Government? Being as how YOU are a 'friend' of that country perhaps you and yours would benefit from migrating there. I feel you would NOT be missed in this over run country.
What useful purpose does Burco and his vile wife serve? .......... NONE.
Some migrants are more hardworking than some Britons......and probably most migrants are more hardworking than Mrs Berkow.,
Headline is a bit misleading. He has said the immigration should be monitored and managed. He's only referring to EU-A8 immigration. I think he may have been partly right in 2004, but now that the economy has slowed down there are decent British people who can't get their foot in the workplace as it's now established that foreign staff do those jobs. Also people like his wife are in opposition to what would improve british work effort, such as proper changes to the benefits system and education. There are many other factors determining if migration is beneficial or not. For example if a particular migrant is only on the minimum wage their tax would not cover the cost of schooling even 2 school age children in most LAs meaning a net-loss to the state.
the first intelligent remark ever that has the label bercow attached
of course his job is safe
This is symptomatic of a liberal elite that is not only out of touch with the electorate, but totally contemptuous of it.
SHOULD WE REPLACE ALL OUR GOVT THEN ??? - -CANT MAKE ANY WORSE JOB THAN THE ONE WE HAVE - - - I SUGGEST FRANCES GOVT COME HERE- - THEY WOULD HAVE CHOUDRAY AND HIS GANG OF TWO FACED FANATICAL FREELOADING TERROR SUPPORTERS OUT BEFORE DINNER ON THE FIRST DAY.
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
Yes but only Northern Eastern Europeans, not Romanians and Bulgarians who have never been known for hard work but for laziness and fraud..
So the British have little aptitude or commitment according to this nasty, little man? I presume that he can back that up with some kind of facts, proof or statistics?
Are idiots like Berkow born stupid or do they work on it ?
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.- maxxymoo 09, Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom, >>>>>>Look under worst rated and page to below the red arrows there are many comments there that do not make the main page.
Who listens to Berk and Cow they are idiots
Pompous little gnome
From a man who gets 3 months off !
He probably has some Eastern European cleaners, that he pays peanuts!
You can only praise the work ethic of foreigners because you are not allowed to say anything negative about them or the pc brigade will become so upset, shocked and disgusted! So forget saying anything about them not learning English or that they commit crime whilst here (just ask the Met Police who commits the most credit card crimes) as it is not going to be printed.
Oh they work hard alright - that's why 30,000 Romanians were arrested in the Metropolitan Police area in the last 5 years alone - and they shouldn't even be here yet. They can just walk in, no criminal records check, sign on as self employed and the full benefit system is available. Subsidised housing, free education for their kids, access to NHS, Job seekers allowances, benefits for children left in their home country.......We have been systematically and royally shafted by this EU scam. It needs to end and end NOW. Vote UKIP.
Bercow has no idea - let me tell you about Romania Mr Bercow - they are liars, thieves and beggars, one tribe traffics women, another children, another drugs, another gold - car parks are full of 'can I wash your car brigade' Romanians of course - have you seen the gang master lurking in the background taking the loot - the mafia of the car parks and they are here because they have invented self employment - next January they will be claiming houses, benefits, schools for the children and health cate for their aged parents they will bring - if anyone knows how to work the system and pull the wool over they eyes of the politico's its the Romanians closely followed by the Bulgarains - who will all come en masse - suitcases alreayd packed and coach tickets bought - I worked there for 4 years and I know - Mr B does not have a clue - as he has just demonstrated. And why are they coming? we don't need them, we don't want them - hey let's leave the EU to their own home grown disasters
Migrants are more vulnerable to exploitation than Britons. And many migrants exploit our welfare system at the first opportunity!
The political classes have regarded the citizens of Britain to be 3rd or even 4th class in our own country for many years now.They think of us as racist lowlife and have nothing but contempt for us and our views.We need to clean them out of our parliament.,all of them.
Has Bercow ever had a real job , or has he talked his way through life like most politicians .
Typical lefty Labour opinion! Maybe Bercow's job might be lost to an Eastern European? We don't think Bercow works hard enough.
my god what a nerve coming from a greedy little tyke who has spent his years at the Westminster trough lining his pockets with taxpayers cash and never done a decent days work in his life
dont you just love the way your MPs support the UK worker?
Nothing to do with his parents being Romanian immigrants then.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
bet they are of benefit to some of the pies he has his fingers in
I would say that when it comes to the lower paid ,less appealing jobs ,he is absolutely right. Eastern Europeans seem to be dilligent and enthusiastic in the type of occupations that we would deem as pointless drudgery. Waking in the small hours to work in a bakery or sitting all night in a 24 hour petrol station ...and all those nasty cleaning jobs... etc, they still embrace a healthy work ethic and, by shrewd money management are able to support themselves and their families back home. We could all learn by taking a leaf from their book.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down I think you will find the person who needs to shut up and sit down is alot closer to home. No. 303 ("Ko¿ciuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron (Polish: 303 Dywizjon My¿liwski "Warszawski im. Tadeusza Ko¿ciuszki") was one of 16 Polish squadrons in the Royal Air Force (RAF) during the Second World War. It was the highest scoring RAF squadron of the Battle of Britain He is neither right or wrong as there are hard working immigrants im sure but there will be lazy immigrants also and the same applys to people who were born in the uk. You can only do it case by case and not so "Oh these people are all super hard working or super lazy because everyone is an individual.
Bercow your Eastern European counterparts put you lot to shame, their WORK ETHICS are much superior to your privileged, pampered and obscenely plush lifestyle. I hope the next Commons Speaker is Eastern European working for £6:31 per hour and still doing a much better job than you could ever dream of doing. Voting for UKIP all the way here, Nigel will sort you lot out out no more caviar and champagne, make do with bread and water and by God you will have to work for that.
Don't you mean harder workers than Politicians
coming from a man how has never done a days work in his life ............
Bercow, who made it your choice?
Lets turn this slightly round - if I was to say for example Eastern Europeans are lazy would I not get done for racism? Why then isn't Bercow - he is clearly discriminating against British workers. The man is a disgrace
John Bercrow has never done a days work in his life, if he has the courage of his convictions he should resign and give his non job to a migrant.
This man seriously has short man syndrome, as well as inactive brain cell syndrome. Mouth needs to shut up syndrome, and I can't dress syndrome. Enough said I think.
So on that basis soon all jobs will be held by foreigners and all the natives here will be on benefits!
Who does this little squirt think he is, my grandad worked 6 days a week all his life, my grandma went to work ill, my mother and father work hard its only since people like him who threw British workers onto the scrap heap for the sake of cheap foreign labour that the British have been slated insulted and degraded, Christ i wish we in Great Britain could get some of the same spirit those demonstrators in Turkey have.
Stop benefits and people will work harder to stay in a job. Some friends of mine employ Polish people, they work very hard and pay UK taxes which is more that a lot of British scrounges.
- Mike , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 09:29 ....................... You have a very interesting way of mangling written English.
Ok, Mr Bercow, and your wife lived with Gypsies and tells us what honest, hardworking folk they are as well!
Pratt.
i wonder which country his nanny hails from
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please. - Tony, Maidstone United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 3:20 Glad to oblige Tony! Truth is only a peas brain would generalise about a nationality.If we were to follow that line there is plenty I could say ,but that would be racist or xenophobic. Seems its ok to do that about our own people though.How patriotic you are.Thank goodness we didn't have a nation of weaklings like you when Hitler was around!
our country went from the united kingdom of great briton to briton. english irish scots welsh built this god given country to us. REMBEMBER THE WORDS TO THE HYMN ..JERUSALEM "THOSE DARK SATANIC MILLS" mr bercow and your club of 650, our forebears worked and died there as in mines shipyards railways, foundries steelworks on the roads in the fields..h.m forces.. no national heath service ..dole or pensions.. family allowance.... or immigrants. no mr berrcow of the demolition party, sorry coalition party THE GREAT BRITISH NATION BUILT GREAT BRITAIN you the polititions took us to britain and less. the 1970s germany and holland wanted brit construction workers and payed em well. british workers gave us history...polititions gave us no future.
Ah yes, John Bercow, a man who has never done a day's work in his life. The hardest thing he's ever done is to stuff his pockets with our money.
What he means is Brits can't get jobs because they have all been taken by immigrants that this and the previous government imported.
This is another misleading stereotype which has been proved to be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Bercow could be replaced with a Romanian or Bulgarian,
It is true that a lot of Eastern European immigrants are hard-working. However,as many of these immigrants very willingly do the menial low-paid jobs, they are 'entitled' to housing benefit, child benefits and other benefits. So, how does this benefit the Country's economy or the taxpayer!?!!!
Strange how many councils who have employed these eastern europeans because they are cheaper than british workers, then call in the british workers to put right what the eastern europenas have bodged up. Harder workers what a laugh we have a eastern european apprentice thick doesnt describe him and lazy all he does is stand outside smoking all day.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
Horrid little man and obviously as prone to saying the wrong thing as his wife.
Ha! You're presumably speaking about yourself and your fellow politicians John.
It has been said a certain political party allowed immigrants to enter Britain so that the numbers voting for their party would increase. Its nice to know he's jumped ship -well done Bercow.
Bercow has it all wrong.!! They come here for the benefits!! Not for the benefit of Britain.m Get out of office Bercow and take your money grabbing wife with you. To Romania perhaps
Him and his wife surely must be surefire candidates for the worlds biggest 'foot in mouth' award! The pair of them really need to learn to 'engage brain' before opening their mouths. Talk about if they had brains they'd be dangerous! Pair of idiots!!
Lives in cuckoo land!
.DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE ARE TWO USLESS BITS OF SCHITT IN ONE HOUSEHOLD. E U COUNTS FOR 83% OF ALL LAWS ,THEY HAVE TO HAVE HOLS AS THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO,LAYES LOT OF SCHITTS. VOTE UKIP TO BRING THE LAWS BACK HOME. FROM A TRUE BLUE ,VOTE FOR UKIP CLIVE HOVE.
I wouldn't say eastern Europeans are harder working, but I would go as far as saying they do jobs others don't want to do.
Bercow? Just drop the 'ow'.
Enjoying your summer break there mate? How about the best hotels abroad which includes full service. Yeh nice hard work thar. Leading by example I see.
Is there lead paint in their house.I thought it was just his wife that was deluded! It must be environmental.shut up John who cares what you think.
They certainly work harder than MPs.
Perhaps we should have a Polish person instead of him as Speaker.
What he should be saying is, migrants come to the UK and work for the minimum wage making fat cats richer.
How many on his doorstep?
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
On the other hand, one would have to ask Mr Bercow the question, "if all the migrants are far more industrious than the British people, why then are the countries they left behind in such a poverty stricken mess and why are many of them living off the welfare benefits system in England"
Who does this imperious little man think he is? He says that that media coverage does not reflect the views of Parliament. Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that media coverage reflects the views of the people of this country, who incidentally, are paying for your lifestyle, a lifestyle which the vast majority of us can only dream about. Come down off your imperious little perch Burkow and remind yourself that you are only a human being like the rest of us, we already have a Queen.
We no longer have traditional values in our Country. A standard job is either drug dealing or signing on!! The Government has well and truly destroyed it, why should people work hard when their is NO benefit at the end of it?!
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.
The Polish and the Baltic state people were the slave-wage labour. The Romanians and the Bulgarians will be the actual slaves. The Britons can just die off for all the LibLabCon care.
More to the point,who paid for this jaunt to Romania. With his wife's fine to fund perhaps he was looking for tips on scams to get some money. The man is an absolute disgrace and will be jobless after the next election.
I bet all employers will agree, as they love paying lower wages to these migrants. Bercow frankly is pretty awful, and I wonder where his Wife gets it all from?
He and that thing he calls a wife are both foot in mouth specialist when it comes to speaking about issues they know nothing about.
Yet again Mr Bercow is correct.
You may not like what he says, but he is absolutely 100% spot on. Eastern Europeans have a work-ethic instilled in them that is sadly missing in a lot of today's British workers. Unfortunately there is a culture where people want to earn money for as little work as they can get away with. We as a nation, could actually learn a thing or two from our former Eastern-Bloc friends.
He's right in one sense they would all work much harder than John Bercow he is probably one of the laziest persons on this planet. Indeed John Bercow doesn't work he just turns up but in terms of work he doesn't do any and would not know the meaning of the word.
Britains political system needs to be modernised with MP's only allow to be elected for 3 terms in office then they have to get a job.They are all disrepectful to the british public and too big for their boots.
You know these so called politicians have no idea what goes on in the real world. I am sick and tired of people saying we are not hard workers. Everybody I know work bloody hard to make ends meet. Not like those that live in there Ivory Tower at Westminster at the Tax Payers expense. With there massive salaries, perks, pensions etc etc Its wouldnt hurt them to change places with us and just see how hard we work. Every Country have there work shy but the majority of us work bloody hard to look after how families.
Well yes of course it does John. That would explain then why my daughter, while doing her degree in London, was unable to get a part time job because she was undercut by cheaper migrant labour. subsequently she left for Canada where she now has a good job, and her brother has followed her. I would much rather they stayed in England so that we could enjoy family life and grandchildren but that has all been taken away by relentless migration. In your case John "Berk" really is the salient word isn't it!
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
The political elite have for the last 50 years conducted a social experiment where everyone is equal, no one is better than anyone else, everyone knows their rights and entitlements and we have welfare that provides a better income than the average job and a cost of living that is ludicrous. They then open the borders to economic migrants who undercut wages and have the cheek to turn round and call us lazy because we have to live within the system that they created and maybe don't want to live 5 to a room in a bedsit! We also don't have the option to send those relatively low wages back to a country where the value is significantly greater, we live here where it pays for very little.
Actually, this is a lie. Immigrants come to Britain and settle in immigrant hotspots such as London, Birmingham, Manchester. In cities like these, that is where you will find immigrants. The vast majority of the UK is still being run by white English people. Go to the countryside, or other lovely cities where the population is 99% white English, you have English people doing all the menial jobs. So this is a damn outright lie, it is slander. This man should go.
Some do ! But not all of them. The biggest factor is Business !! They are the ones that have benefited most LOWER WAGES !!!! Immigration is the number one issue for all EU countries and it will only get worse !!
This is the same as saying all muslims are terrorists. See how far you'd get if you'd said that Mr. Bercow? When the "thought police" got hold of you your feet wouldn't touch the ground. But to slag off UK workers is ok is it? Idiot.
This statement makes me so angry , British are not lazy , But where can we go to earn a decent wage and send it home to buy a nice home ,If you work hard in Britain all your money is taken in taxes eg. council tax doubled in 10 years , water doubled , and i could go on ........ where can i go for the better life ? Greece ? turkey ,France,all just as bad if not worse .!!
Does he mean benefitted us by scamming our welfare system, bringing crimes here that we never had before, increasing rape attacks and thefts, overloading our hospitals and housing, and camping next to motorways and in people`s garden sheds?
There is a section of the British public to which Bercow's comment applies. they are of course the Welfare Class. However, who made them that way? the answer, naturally, is scumbag politicians like Bercow who wanted to keep the bottom of the barrel sweet without actually doing anything governmental about it. The answer: free money from those of us dumb enough to actually work for a living.
His view of the British is probably tainted by the behaviour of those closest to him, i.e. politicians!
I use to Work in Germany,..(because of Thatcher) When you know your miles Away from Home, you Go for the (QUICK CASH)........ BUT you know it WONT LAST, So you WORK HARD because you KNOW ITS ONLY A TEMPORARY BENEFIT (FIX).............BUT... If he`s Not Happy with British workers..............then which one of the seven Dwarf`s is He??
It is nice to see Mr Bercow talking up our country and British workers like all the traitor class politicians. They only believe in their own greedy self-serving careers.
Hardworking more than the British politicians with their long holidays their self awarding pay rises and short hours
He is just a sad old man in the wrong job too. He and his deputy both need to be removed from their jobs and a decent experienced person voted in to do both jobs. We have had enough of these free loading idiots with their sexual likes and their trough feeding. Replace them both and remove their grace and favour free homes for the positions as well. This is another out of date job related item.
Maybe this little creep, should try working?
Who cares how hard migrants work? Most people work as hard as they need to to achieve their goals and working harder than that is pointless. The reason most economic migrants work hard is that they're filling their boots in a temporary job before heading home, not because they're naturally industrious.
This man is so way out of his depth in every conceivable way.
Bercow is a traitor, and will go to jail.
maybe these 'jolly foreigners ' would make for better politicians?
Bercow has got to be the biggest embarrassment to the Conservative Party that has ever existed,he is unable to see the logic of reduce immigration down to NIL then there will be work a plenty,and those who refuse lose their benefits Bloody Simple unless your name is Bercow.No Comment about his wife" permanently "
To be honest, I know this is unpopular but it is an issue. My sister runs her own dry cleaners with a small team and needed another member of staff. She advertised the position locally and got 44 calls regarding the position. Out of those 44 people, only 3 people went to the shop to pick up an application form. And you guessed it, those 3 people were polish. This country makes it far too easy to sit on your backside taking handouts and I'm sick of working 18 hours per day to pay for it! I'm always hearing "there are no jobs"... The bottom line is if you really want a job, you will find one.
thanks for that Mr Speaker. I'm working 60 hour weeks for next to nothing and big bills to pay, its good to know we are all in this together !! Why don't you take your short stumpy self and your disgrace of a wife and jump in a lake.......preferably a foreign one. Prat.
The Speaker says that media coverage of immigration does not reflect the views of Government and Parliament but I thought the media represented the real concerns many people share about open immigration. So there we have it from one that should know, those in power con/lab/lib are not interested in what the electorate think.
Current Eastern Europeans are slave-wage labour; the Romanians and Bulgarians will be yer actual slaves. Britons will be welfare dependent, and easier to kill.
What he says does seem to have an element of truth but, as he's never done a days work in his life, he's the last person to talk about it.
So much for being faithful to your employer. Had I have done this in my job as a local government officer, I'd have been given my marching orders. Time for him to GO.
If the immigrants are such a benefit to Britain, why is the country still going down the pan? Freeloaders like Berkow and his ilk I presume!
From where did this silly little man come from, with a name like Bercow.?
Migrant workers are most certainly harder workers than MPs .. but I'm a Briton and they are NOT harder working than me. Get stuffed Mr Bercow.
We need to replace ALL of our MPs with East Europeans NOW!
It seems they haven't finished rubbishing the British people just yet! Is it because we wont play ball on the EU and immigration?
Oh yes, those British are lazy - especially those very rich ones who exploit Eastern Europeans to displace Britons. They are so busy thinking of ways to make money dishonestly and dishonourably.
Not a week or month goes by without our glorious MPs bad mouthing the British work force. I have worked my fingers to the bone since the age of 16, I continually update my skill-set, I have paid thousands towards further education as well as running my own business and this odious little rat has the cheek to tell me that I don't work hard as immigrants. I've never read so much rubbish in all my life. It is thanks to the political class that my young nephews who are highly educated and have an excellent work ethic cannot find a job (menial or otherwise). Your government detests its own people it favors immigrants over the native population. If you give a damn about your country and your children's future then you know what to do.
Perhaps we can get some cut price Eastern European Politicians who also would work a lot harder than our PARASITES
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
This man knows nothing about ordinary workers or work places - yes there are some very good hard working immigrants over here, also there are many that have & are a total drag on this Island of what was once ours, over the last 30yrs or more we have been treated & conned by or previous governments, & now they are absolutely in a blind panic at the new revolution looming, then you get the arrogance of what & what they think is defiance against us ordinary people by the horrible liars that are on a sinking ship, we cannot must not vote any of that lot Lib/Lab? Cons in again they have to see how angry we are with their policies & remarks against us,& it seems so stupid to me I ten years or so ago voted for who I thought was best of a horrible bunch!! thank goodness people are listening more to UKIP, I have voted for them for a while, just because of the contempt & disrespect the other parties have made us suffer, now I totally believe Mr Farage is the answer.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down
In some respects he is right. Migrant workers from Eastern Europe will always work harder at fruit picking for instance, over some spotty British teenager, that's why people employ them. However that is not an excuse for more mass immigration. The unemployed of this country will NEVER work as hard as migrants in this type of work because there is no point. They are better off on benefits!
If that comment had been made against a minority it would have resulted in prosecution. But because he is racist to Brits it's ok!! GET A GRIP!
Little boy syndrome . I bet he doesn't speak back to his wife.
useless greedy little man ........................
At the next general election would Conservative voters in his constituancy Of Buckingham please realise that they are being cheated. He is NOT a Conservative. He is a traitor, pretending to be one. So although it is a safe Tory seat, they will have to find a real conservative to vote for. UKIP perhaps?
So it is ok to massively generalise negatively about native residents of Britain but you can't say a thing against any minority even if it is factual - welcome to our fine nation
This man is a real British patriot isn't he. If the british aren't as hard working it is due to the crazy Labour benefits culture, and who got him into his current job.
Massive generalisation! I know Polish who run shops and work very hard, I see others out begging all day. I know Brits who work 60 hours a week and others who do nothing! There aren't enough jobs to go round and the people of this country should be given first refusal and a big training scheme needs to be set up...along with closing the borders for a good few years
Eastern Europeans are being exploited in this country. They displace Britons who become welfare dependent. It's a deliberate ploy. Britons are too stupid (or frightened) to notice that their country is occupied by a foreign power.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
Speak for yourself mr speaker
I don't see any evidence supporting Bercow. The House of Lords immigration report shows that only the immigrants benefit from immigration. When people make statements like this, they should be challenged for justification. I'm fed up with Bercow and his turkey wife, it's time he was replaced with someone, competent, even handed and unburdened with a publicity seeking wife.
And what does this odious person know of the normal person on the street. How can he have the gall to comment from his ivory tower, receiving an enormous salary for part time work plus free palatial living accommodation.
mmm if I or my childless children could get housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit and minimum wage we too would seek this high paid benefit driven work. Unfortunatly we don't as we struggle on just minimum wage!
maybe he'd like to give up his job to them? ...thought not.
Maybe Mr Bercow should learn from his wife and SHUT UP!
Not that he would actually know hard work if it bit him on his parliamentary backside.
Would there not be a furore and accusations of racism if similar comments were made calling immigrants lazy and suggesting Brits were harder working?
Eastern Europeans are slave labour, and have damaged the life-prospects of ALL Britons EXCEPT the likes of Bercow who want them here for their own nefarious purposes.
Yeah you're right... Until the British worker is willing to work in a car wash for £2 an hour and live 16 to 18 people in a terraced house... ...The country will not recover..!!
The Commons Speaker said the arrival of thousands of migrants from Eastern Europe has had great advantages for Britain..........The biggest advantage to these politicians is that if they come to settle here now they would probably be eligible to vote in the referendum in 2017 and vote against leaving the EU.
Bercow in his disillusionment needs to crawl back in his hole, immigrant workers have not benefitted BRITAIN because we are having to keep the rest of them that arrived here with no money, no jobs, and nowhere to live and we are providing these benfits to people who haven't contributed anything whatsoever to our country but are robbing it blind. BRITISH PEOPLE would still be working if it hadn't been for THATCHER and Co privatising and closing industries that were relevant to the country's economy and we now have another tory government that is doing the same. .
To generalise and judge people in this way is utter rubbish. There are hard workers and shirkers in all races and it will alway be that way, no matter where they are from.
Typical Tory, hatred of working classes, through, and through, UKIP, puts us first,
This is an old argument that might have been true once, but not any more.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
The traitor Mandelson admitted that Labour did exactly the same as the traitor Bercow has done - encourage the displacement of British people. That's what the LibLabCon do. Wake up.
Why did he find it necessary to go there and how much did it cost us for this greedy, selfish, small-minded man to go there and insult us? Preparing for another wave of immigrants to keep wages down for the rest of us while he insists MPs need another 10 grand to do the job they are already over paid for? I'm sick of MPs telling us that the British don't work hard and spreading this disgraceful myth and slur about the people they are supposed to represent. REMEMBER, an MP always has an AGENDA. If he's said this, there was a nasty reason behind it. We should be told what it was and real JOURNALISTS should make it their business to find out!
They are cheaper too!!
Says a man who sits in a chair all day shouting order and getting paid loads
Well maybe britons are just sick of being pi&&ed on all the time but this government who take away large amounts of the pittance's we earn. Some people just don't see the point of getting a job and if they are forced into one by the job centre, make a hash of it so they can go back on benefits. I'm not saying that's right or moral, but it's certainly true.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
Bercow isn't really British is he? Certainly not a Christian.
its time for a new political party in the uk time to rid England of the tory labour merry go round
Swivel eyed loon.
Since when did he or his wife know anything about hard work
Another treasonous rat - you can tell that he doesn't have to deal with his children being held back because half or more of the class can barely speak English; be treated as a foreigner in his own country, see crime rates in his area soar as the incomers go through areas like locusts, have difficulty accessing healthcare because the system is now overwhelmed by numbers. Yes, undoubtedly some ARE hard-working, but many more are not, and quite how this idiot can see millions of pounds pouring out of the nation's economy as benefiting the UK just beggars belief.
The LibLabCon has decided that far too many Britons are getting too uppity and must be reminded that they are lazy and don't deserve their own country and that it must be handed over to third-worldesque Eastern Europeans.
If these people work harder than us how come their countries are not booming and us lot trying to go to their country. They live in a third world manner and only come here for our benefit system.
So let's have a Polish Commons Speaker. It would be a change to have somebody polite and unassuming doing this little man's job.
Are these the sort of people we have in power.Why do they keep on violating the laws of discrimination against the British taxpaying people and not punished for it.l know what would happen if this was the other way round,where if a British taxpayer said the immigrants are lazy and scroungers,they would be marched straight to court."But",it seems these people in power have the right to break the laws they have enforced.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
THE MAN IS A RAVING LOONEY HE IS IN THE WRONG PARTY.
OYYY, BERCOW, just so you know, I have always worked hard and paid taxes to keep the benefits system going, just to pay for the immigrants who come here and claim for children in there own country, and YOU don't even check up to see if the child exists. To pay for them to get a free university study where as our children have to pay. To pay for them to get free NHS treatment while British people are pushed to the back of the queue and left on a trolley in the corridor. Need I go on. I hate to think what this country will be like by the time your term in government is finished.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
The LibLabCon's job is to encourage the in-va-sion of Britain. We know this already, that's why we are sending it to the trashcan of history (and jail, hopefully).
we really need a new peoples party this man works for you, if you spoke about your boss like this how would you be treated.
I wonder how he'd feel if an immigrant applied for his job and got it!
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
At last,the truth that dare not speak its name..........not gone down well with the 'phobes has it?,but then the truth never does.
This is what politicians think of the British worker is it.
Perhaps they do when it involves a gullible MP like you, Bercow, that they hope is going to help them stay in the country , but I had to relay the pathway they laid down by some such myself because they were too lazy to do a proper job even after being called back for a second chance! And the front gardens of two of the homes lived in by immigrants I can see from my bedroom windows are absolute tips,when compared to those of the rest of us. what with untended overgrown hedges multiple derelict cars and old bits of timber chipboard covering the drive torn up by their "building" work vehicles! How many live like that in the Palace of Westminster John??
With idiots like this spouting about the benifits of immigrants in the UK are handing UKIP more and more votes Bercow go and ask the people in the street what people think of you and your out of touch comments
How the hell would John Bercow know what hard work is?
'Migrants are harder workers than Britons'. For that matter Foxconn workers in China often work 12 hours a day at fast pace and sleep in the factory, this is just one example among many and not even the worst. Instead of ensuring that workers' rights are respected everywhere both for respect of human rights and to avoid unfair competition elites like a race to the bottom for native common people. At the same time there is a welfare system that often rewards laziness and rules that defend bureaucrats and other protected categories. In Italy the mantra of almost all politicians and media is: "Immigrants do the jobs that Italians do not want to do anymore". Thanks to this excuse the hourly wage for many jobs, especially low-skilled ones, is now about 4£ and working condition in most cases are getting worse.
What a slimy little creep Bercow is, the man whose name is one syllable too long.
I am afraid he looks at this from a rather blinkered angle. It is true that migrants take many of the unattractive and low paid jobs, but that is more because they can afford to live off much lower wages. The indigenous population has to try and run a home and possibly a family, which cannot be done on some of these low paid jobs. Bercow might want to take into account how these immigrants live - many people sharing houses to lower overheads. A farmer near me had Lithuanians and Russians picking veg - I think that they packed something like 16 people into a 4 nbedroom house. Sure British people could do that, but would you expect them to do so while bringing up a family? Not so long ago the British were being lauded as the hardest workers in Europe and putting in the longest hours!!
Read all about Bercow on wikipedia. When are the English going to cotton on that they are being replaced in their own homeland on purpose? Wake up!!! It's not some dreadful mistake by the clumsy new Labour govt.
Yes some of them will benefit this country but we have far too many and too many just taking benefits which a lot of our unemployed youngsters can't even get. Moderation in all things and in immigration we are being sunk.
That's what the LibLabCon is all about: going to the third-worldesque Eastern Europe, and encouraging their people to in-vade Britain. Mandelson admitted it as well. In 2010, there was a chance for people in Buckingham to throw Bercow out and install Nigel Farage in Westminster - but they thought they knew better. Well, you get what you deserve, and I expect that Buckingham is full of in-vad-ers.
Walter in Stuttgart you have sunk your OWN argument. HOW can Farage be xenophobe AND married to a german. How does that work. You are talking complete bosch
Brits are lazy and that is a fact
Thank you Mr. Bercow. Every time you and your ilk open your mouths it is another 10k votes for U.K.I.P.
Bercow. accommodated in taxpayer-funded luxury in the Palace of Westminster, does not have to live with these immigrants.
And who built up these British Companies, it wasn't the flaming Eastern Europeans it was hard working Brits. It's been widely noticed that once the honeymoon period is over the Eastern Europeans are no more hard working than any other person, in fact my husband has had to let them go, because they turn up drunk the next day or hide so they can skive while others do the work. We are being led up the garden path on this one, cheaper labour is not the best labour. Our successive Governments have peed all over the British People from high in the last 16 years, we should not take this rubbish anymore, we are hardworking, the powers that be are just trying to brainwash you into thinking you are useless, I am voting UKIP I've had enough of the people in charge telling me I don't work as hard as the Eastern Europeans. The pigs at the trough that run this country are the ones that don't work hard, and they created the benefits culture, which a hell of a lot of Eastern Europeans now claim.
I don't normally agree with him, but as an employer, he is spot on. British workers are strictly, (strictly!) 8:30-5:30pm, with the only exception being lawyers and those working in bars and coffee shops, but even then, most of those who are willing out of regular hours workers are as the man says, immigrants. The Brits I have hired have mostly been lazy, rude and most depressingly, untrustworthy and dishonest. I hired Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish when in London, and they were: a) Incredibly polite. b) Very hard working. c) Honest. d) Significantly more reasonable and intelligent. e) Able to drink me under the table.
Comments from one of the biggest "takers' in government, who has probably never done a days work in his life ! "Poisonous little dwarf" !
Well when you look at the holidays and perks of the normal MP , my pet snail that push starts 747's works harder. . Out of touch
Bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?
So do these people just get their finger out when the monetary gain is greater? Curious as to why such hard workers haven't changed the fortunes of their native countries.
I dont think its my right to sit on my bum all day. However i do believe that no matter what job you have, what position you are in society, the fact is we are all slaves. Slaves to our workplaces. These work places rule what you do, when you do it, how much you have, how many times you can be sick in a year, amongst other things. Work is slavery. but we all need it as if we didnt then life wouldnt exist as we know it. but just so people know. at no point did i choose to be born into a society that FORCES its people to work out our short lives paying tax and working 9-5 just so that when we do reach retirement age.... well your in such a state you cant do anything anyway so you have just wasted your life.. fun eh?
How loyal of you!
Speaker John Bercow says arrival of Eastern Europeans has benefited Britain Which is a darn sight more than he has ever done.
Presumably Farage will stand as a candidate for Buckingham in 2015? Thought not.
and how would he know? I would guess he has never even met an eat European migrant.,
I can't stand him or his wife BUT there is some truth about it , thats why our care homes are staffed by Philippines people .
This is a propagandist myth that has been pounded into the public consciousness to justify the forced redundancy of the British workforce. Of course, greedy employers, who have been able to increase their profits by employing cheap migrant labour, have also willingly participated in the denigration of British workers and, by implication, British people as a whole. The politicians, employers and left wing advocates of the destruction of the British workforce disgust me. For God's sake people, stop voting for the professional con artists who pose as mainstream politicians. Vote anything but Lib/Lab/Con. They are all a bunch of self serving, anti=British traitors.
The man is a total balloon just like the rest of them.
means cheaper labour than local and keep their mouths shut and accept poor working conditions.
Why doesn't this awful little free loader and his lanky wife keep their mouths shut, He needs to get in the real world there are more eastern european criminal gangs in the UK than we are aware of, and with comments like that we can expect more. I am not saying all eastern europeans are criminals but eventually we will see that not all eastern europeans are hard working tax payers.
Coming from a MP which has the same holidays as school children (and then some) he cannot really talk.
Berc ow by nature - berc by name
This man is evidence that mps have no interest in GB. They have over the years put in place the systems that a large chunk of our population would rather lie in bed on benefits than work. Migrants come here for what they can get out of our system because their own systems give them next to nothing and still politicians do nothing but tinker with our inadequate benefit culture instead of putting in place a system that would make work a better option to benefits. Bercow has stood in front of a Romanian parliament and told them what he thought they would like to hear perhaps he should have told them how our jails are full to bursting with migrant criminals how the migrant workers are made to work for low wages because they are controlled by organised crime. Get your head out of your rectum bercow see the real world instead of living in a world that encourages corruption and self interest that you and your cronies have created .
This is unacceptable behaviour for a Speaker, they are supposed to be impartial on all subjects - which we know from past experience, Berkow is not! Perhaps his latest biased outburst is prompted by his own Eastern European heritage, his paternal Grandparents were Romanian immigrants...need I say more? How this incompetent weasel of a man and his gobsmackingly embarrassing wife remain in such a privileged position remains a daily enigma.
And how would he know?when was the last time he worked on a factory floor with these people.Some are good workers but lots are shirkers,if you dont believe me Mr burk ow come have a week with me.
I thought that the speaker was non politicial . Well at least we know who he stands up for . And it is not the British ??????????????????????????????
What's it got to do with this idiot and his opinions. Go away with your fool of a wife
Why would somebody ask his opinion ? why is his opinion of any relevance and why would it be important enough to print in a national newspaper ? This is John Berscow making comment, we really have lost the plot DM.
how would he know never haveing done a days work in his life,tony blairs parting gift to cameron,who has not got the bottle to throw him out.
Well that certainly rattled a few cages didn't it? He's not entirely wrong either. Grief, doesn't Farage look disgusting, now that is an odious man.
it wa s the people who belong here here that worked the fields 50 years ago also the irish worked hard in the fields all the jobs are being taken over by immigrants jeancoulter london
This idiot should visit Lincolnshire,we have a very big problem with Polish shops selling illegal vodka,illegal cigarettes,the drink driving accidents caused by migrants is through the roof,where has this idea come from that they are harder workers than British people,I have first hand knowledge of their work ethic and I can tell you they know the system better than any British person I know and they certainly take out more than they put in.This area has been ruined by this huge influx ,how does he know this,sounds like a conservative towing the party line to me
Bercow is only stating what Farage and all the others wishing to leave the EU believe. They do not want to leave the EU to stop immigration because that brings wages down. They want to leave the EU to get rid of employment rights for the same reason they don't want to curb immigration.
HE WOULDNT BE SAYING THAT IF THEY TOOK HIS JOB!
As Mr Bercow is speaker, and politically neutral, why on earth is he visiting Romania and speaking in their parliament...he does not speak for our government and should not have been allowed to do this. No matter how hard working these people are, we are full, and it isn't up to him to encourage them to come...unspeakable, just like the labour party who signed up to this. He should resign or we should remove him from his sinecure.
When's the last time you got your hands dirty Berk...Oops, let me rephrase that !
He knows them all personally? What an idiot this creature is!
After reading up about Bercow's career history, it seems to me that he has always been a left wing socialist with a plan to infiltrate the Conservative Party. And now he is showing left wing bias as Speaker, when this is supposed to be a neutral position. And he's getting away with it.
What a ridiculous sweeping statement based on his opinion - perhaps Bercow and his gobby wife can foot the crippling NHS bill along with the cost of interpreters and translators oh,and the housing benefits being paid out, after this he can wave a magic wand and create school places ............ we'll send them round to your gaff Bercow
I've got an idea folks, why don't we all sit back and let all the migrants work and keep us on benefits?
Immigrants are great for the elite - cheap nanny's, cheap servants to do the chores. Not perhaps so good for our young people who can't get the sort of "first jobs" they used to - hotels, shops, restaurants etc. - the flood of unskilled immigrants have taken all of those. That is the reality Mr. Bercow.
Bercow is a politician ,the definition of politics is POLY--- MANY TICS -----BLOOD SUCKING PARASITES Now do you understand
They're only harder workers if their supervisor is watching them with eyes like a hawk!
His comments are accurate and he is entitled to his view, but he is still out of his depth as Speaker, especially with the baggage he carries in the form of his stupid wife. Both have demeaned the position. Labour brought him in as a childish spite stunt, surely the government can remove him and restore the dignity of the role to its pre Mick Martin days.
Bu 11 sh 1t
Thats very true !!!!!
Good point, John: now zip it and allow one of these hard workers to have your job because you are not up to it! Come to think of it: maybe these hard working migrants might care to stand for election to the Commons and displace the rest of the venal shower masquerading as 'honourable' Members of Parliament?!
So which political interest group is Bercow trending now? **innocent face**
He is only being a good little boy and following orders. Perhaps its because David has promised him a vote on Euro, IF IF IF IF IF IF, David is extremely fortunate and beats UKIP.
It is clear that the midget has not learnt from his wife's ill chosen utterances! What a pillock. He should not be in the job!
all I can say when I am served by Eastern Europeans in restaurants they are rude and not pleasant. Before they came, we had British waitresses and waiters, they did the job well enough so why import labour. Oh yes I know, to keep the wages down. Prezzo is a chain that must only employer eastern europeans, if you go into any of their restaurants that is the only people that serve you. What about local people doing the job for reasonable wages, not for buttons.
Then maybe we could have some better politicians then, as the ones we have now are lazy and useless. And anyone who sticks up for his comments are disrespectful to the British people. Comments like this from our politicians really anger me, the sooner they go the better
When are we going to get anyone in politics who stands up for the british? Yet another reason for supporting UKIP!
Right Bercow this guy is,Has not worked out they are not wanted by the people who own this country,You are part of the Government which is charged with the Job of doing what your Employers want,thats right you are in office not to do what you want, But what the people want,So just get on with the job you are overpaid to do.
l have worked hard all my life,right from the age of 15 and payed my taxes.l now feel betrayed by the system,where l lost all my financial side of things and suffer my many ailments brought on by severe stress.How many have come here to go on the benefit system and work at the same time,while no taxes have been payed into the system and no NHS contributions.The money they receive is then sent over to their country of origin.Would you class this as fair,honest and hard working.l wouldn't
Yes but you have to remember the reasons why they seem harder working. Why should someone get out of a nice warm bed to go and work in a cold wet field when they can get enough money from the government to afford not to? To the immigrant the wage rates for mundane jobs are much higher here than their own country whereas to someone from here they are just as well off not bothering. Isn't this what IDS is trying to sort out.
"The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.- Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:3" A "dinghy" pub? What, you mean one that floats at sea? If you could actually spell and use the English language correctly, then your post would have more chance of being taken seriously. (Just in case you still don't get the point, a "dinghy" is a small boat.) On a separate note, having worked in NYC (Manhattan) for a year, it never failed to amaze me just how many US staff seemed to make a career of walking around the office all day, waving bits of paper, but doing little else. Just saying...
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
The Gov has destroyed this country and traditional values - why should we retain thetraditional value of hard work.
Now what about a Romanian as new speaker, cheaper and more hard wordking than Bercow (that wouldn't ask for much !)
He and his daft wife don't spoil a pair, do they?
I think what he says is rubbish, it is just an excuse to not pay Brits the wages we expect to earn. I know of any immigrants that work harder than Brits, the ones I know of play hooky, slack on the job, the crime in the workplace goes up and the hygiene of the toilets goes downhill. The employers want to pay peanuts, and the immigrants will accept it, that is the truth.
He is right, they are harder workers. They are the people in the UK doing most of the unskilled and back breaking work. You don't see a Pole working in a shop or any customer based jobs do you? They doing hard, manual work and they don't complain about it. I work in an office, i sit down most of the day, i have a brew when i want and i do a fair bit of work but people I work with still moan. These guys are working non-stop for the whole day with a couple of breaks and they just get on with it. Show me a Brit who is prepared to pick fruit and veg for eight hours a day? They won't do it because if they would be prepared to there wouldn't be such a demand for migrant workers. You all blame foreigners for everything when its the lazy brits you need to be angry at.
Believes his own propaganda....wife paid her bill yet ?
He is a stupid man. Yesterday, I was talking to a young lady in my local who was eating her lunch. I got there for coffee in the mornings and to read some of the newspapers. She works behind the bar. I said Are you on your lunch hour, Daisy? She said no we do not get one of those here. I said how long are you working today and she said from 10am until 11pm. And that is on just over £6.00 an hour. She is English. But most of the people I see working there are not. And they work these long hours as the pay is so crap. But I do not think that it is right as it is against Health and Safety to not have a lunch break. And all the pubs are doing it now. No lunch. And crap money. So when Mr Belcrow comes out with this nonsense may be he would like to go work in a pub all day and not get a lunch break. He has basically no clue what is going on in his own country.
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
Golly, what a twit, but that's tories for you. Still, when I claw back all that fuel allowance from rich, fat pensioners, we'll be in clover for evermore.
The gypsies we have around here in central london work very hard at begging, stealing and messing up our beautiful parks. Work hard indeed.
He wouldn't know a hard days work if it slapped him in the face. Cheeky git. VOTE UKIP.
The duty of government is to encourage it's own people to work. not find it easier to import the labour from other nations.
John Bercow and his wife have at least one thing in common. They both open their mouths before engaging their brains. I doubt John Bercow has ever done or is likely to do a hard days work in his life.
Bercow is just trying to excuse what has been done to the British people over the last sixty years, by talking up the 'benefits' of immigration. He is a true example of our ruling political elite, contemptuous of the ordinary person in the street and convinced of his own wonderfulness.
This odious little dwarf and his equally odious and vacuous wife are a disgrace to their country. The several million hardworking Britons who really keep this country up and running have been under attack from traitorous parasites like bercow for too long who, like the bulk of our political class, seem incapable of visiting foreign countries without rubbishing their own and its inhabitants. He should be removed from his post and ideally publically flogged.
Vote UKIP and free our country!
You should ask all the british construction workers who have to clean up the errors of these Europeans. Health & Safety means nothing to them, but of course its still our fault if something goes wrong.
I may be controversial here, but Hey, it's what I have seen first hand! When the first wave of workers came over from Poland, the experience at my company was that Yes, they worked very hard and were very willing. However, increasingly, we have found that as each new "wave" arrives, they are far less hard working - lazy, in some cases - and also very insolent, moody and prone to insubordination. Since there is hard evidence how much money is sent "back home", whilst they pay tax, etc., one has to question just how much money stays within the UK economy, unlike with UK nationals who both live and work in the UK. Another example: the hairdresser my wife goes to is staffed largely by Eastern Europeans. One guy, who my wife thought was a very good hairdresser, was only there for a couple of months. When she asked why he left so quickly, the salon owner said he had come to the UK mainly for NHS treatment and had now "gone home"!!!
How does he know?
He going to get away with what he has said while the immigration madness continues. Nothing's going to change.
Two points, Who paid for this trip to go to the Romanian parliament, British taxpayer is my guess. and when Mr Berkow states that media coverage did not reflect the views of parliament, that's is not what is at stake here, it's the view of the other sixty five million other people in the country that count.
What a pair of clowns Berkow and his wayward spouse. They would not know what hard work was.
"Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.- Keith , Midlands" - Nice one - Total agreement.
His kind of right.
Reply to Ted 1078.......... what has football / soccer got to do with the article about John Bercow ?
The voters in his constituency had a chance to get rid of him and vote in Farage. What a message that would have sent to the political establishment that despise us. Instead the idiots voted LibLabCon as usual.
then we should replace our MPs with eastern Europeans as well, maybe they would work a full year for less wages and give value for money
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You are a complete moron !!!!
What has happened to the House of Commons Speakers, first we have Glasgow Mick then Bercow both political appointments and traded between Conservatives and Labour. For to long its been a faux pas in the higher circles to believe in your Country.
Ok then Berk-ow let some Eastern European chap do YOUR job on the gravy train. Got to be cheaper and more dignified than your train wreck of a wife.
He was obviously referring to himself.
What a silly little man with a silly little view of the world. We are no worse and in many cases better than any other workers in the world. He should stick to sorting his own house out before commenting in such general terms on the people who provide him with work although sitting in a chair all day is stretching the concept.
The poison dwarf of British politics. Gutless leadership now leaves GB facing a tsunami of Romanian and Bulgarian unemployed, with the EU stating they will be entitled to all benefits.
The guy is an idiot but sometimes idiots, even unwittingly, tell the truth. Eastern Europeans are hard workers and their kids will be totally integrated UK citizens. Can we say that about all our immigrants, including the non-EU ones which are Britains sole responsibility?
words fail me ,this man is lower than a snakes belly
What a generalistic comment, don't tar everyone with the same brush Bercow you idiot, I have worked for 31 years with the prospect of another 20 years in fromt of me. Don;t you dare tell me I don;t work hard !
Has this parasite ever done a proper day's work in his life? Typical of our traitor politicians, doing their best to talk down our country and displace the natives with mass immigration.
Its up to the voters in Buckingham to vote him out please, please vote him out
Oh, for those calling this man a Tory, he actually has Labour sympathies. They are all as bad as each other, nowadays.
You only have to look at what is being spent on welfare benefits I rest my case on that British are lazy
Why don't we get a Migrant in as Speaker then and kick him out of his cushy number. How can any MP dare to criticise the British worker from their subsidised palace. Why is he going round visiting Romania anyway? What must the Romanians think of us when he turns up toadying around them.
I have worked with a lot of migrants half were even more lazy than the brits and the other half were just trying to get a years work in so they could claim off the state and work cash in hand!!
well in a way he's right because when I used to get kids coming on work experience they were a night mare that was when they finally arrived, everything was too much trouble to do, they kept saying they wouldn't work for the minimum wage and all they wanted to was mess about on their mobiles, in the end I told my employers I didn't want any more of them.
I have thought for years that the british government both labour and tories, along with quangos and those people who do surveys whether we are being charged too much and find we never are [but we know we are] dislike, infact hate the british people. this has now been confirmed.
So the jobs go to migrants and the benefits are collected by the British. Sounds logical.
I do not have a problem with people from eastern Europe they do not blow us up on Busses Planes and Trains as others do who we are not to talk about as we may offend them.
I find this type of statement from our so called politicians (who by the way are accountable to the BRITISH people) very annoying and frustrating as I spent 40 years working in various industries in the UK and can honestly say that all my British working collegues always went that extra mile to achieve results so Bercow don't lable us hard working Brits as a bunch of scivers!
What a very silly man. Time he went. Perhaps he should try getting a job on minimum wage nowadays, when there is so much competition from these migrants. Politicians don't understand just how bad the impact is for most people from migrants, because they don't live in the real world. There are companies out there who will only take on migrants, and this kind of talk just encourages discrimination. Time someone stood up for the UK man in the street!
2 milllion Brits are forever looking for a job.Eastern-Europeans come and get a job within days.How comes?
Not harder workers,Cheaper workers is what he meant to say.
Why do this countries Politicians hate it's people so much¿ if wasn¿t for 'people' like Bercow and mass immigration the true British wouldn¿t be so disenfranchised.  
resign!! just resign !!
Okay posh boy, lets have a migrant doing your cushy job, we all know they'll do a better job than you.
Typical leftie communist, out to destroy our country, him and his revolting wife make a right pair!
Insults and ridicule! That's a sure fire way to win the populace over, not. Just who is this idiot working for? I agree with you John Graham, Hailey 8:06 I too would like to see the evidence of economic prosperity immigration has supposedly brought here.
The slimey backstabbing arrogant multifaceted twit. I work hard, my colleagues work hard. We pay our taxes to keep him in his grace and favour abode. The very OVERPAID imbecile!!!!!
There is no doubt that an Eastern European Speaker would be preferable to our present one. Come to think of it, anybody would be an improvement on Mr Twerp!
He is right. All you right ring moaners should take a leaf out these hard working people and get a job yourselves instead of leaving your comments on here. The Eastern Europeans are hard working and law abiding. So it's fine for us to moan but still have holiday homes all over Europe, no wonder most other countries don't like us. Idiots who have narrow minded opinions about immigrants are the same idiots that give the rest of us a bad name, I am glad they are here if you don't like it live somewhere else instead. Deal with it, they are here to stay.
Because the wages are cheaper and they send most of their money back home to build a future there not here and hardly speak a word of English, oh and while we are at it, is there not a case on this very page involving three women from a hospital who cruelly treated patience, they came from overseas....Yes there is Mr Berk .Ps and yes there are the few overseas people that do work hard in this country...We are overloaded with people ..pps yes and there are also a lot of lazy brits ..
This is a severe kick in the teeth to all British born workers who have been priced out of a job..........!
And EVERYONE in work, rergardless of their origins, works harder than you do you parasitic, useless little pr***.
...and he works at what exactly?
After a long line of respectable and dignified House Speakers - but typical of the downward trend in respectability at Westminster overall - the mould was broken when the admirable Betty Boothroyd retired. Her successors, first Martin and now Bercow, have brought the high office of Speaker into disrepute and shame. That Bercow has a vulgar, attention-seeking wife in tow, drags it down even further.
This man is as thick a plank as his wife and I agree with alyjas of Wakefield - wouldn't know hard work if it jumped up (doesn't need to be far) and bit him on the behind. Try telling this to the people of Boston (Lincs) who now feel outsiders in their own town.
Shouldn't Bercow have taken a tip from the actions of Silly Sally and keep his stupid thoughts to himself. The British are sick of being insulted by the likes of this man, only in his position because of a puerile act from Labour who knew the Conservatives did not want him. That is the sort of juvenile idiots who make our laws. Yes, Cameron should have got rid of him, but when Cameron do the right thing ?
What does he know about hard work, probably thinks manual labour is a Spaniard.
Harder working than him maybe !
I work in hospitality and can hand on heart say the Eastern Europeans ARE the hardest workers. I just don't know if the same applies elsewhere!
Honestly this guy is a complete buffoon, how he is voted as a representation of a constituency is beyond me. He is a true representation of what is wrong with politicians.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34----------------------------------and for us Brits it reads....I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their backsides in some pub drinking ale all day, while watching football. They are a drain on society,blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Jock Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States
Reveals the true attitude of the ruling classes. We ordinary folk should let people walk over us with boots on and then apologise for getting in the way.
you live on £6 a hr and see what you think, you plonker
Mr Bercow could do himself a great service if only he would keep his mouth shut.
The total scant regard of the British people by our so called Political elite staggers me at times. They are so out of touch and will not listen to the consensus that they are not fit for purpose
Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.
The country haven't seen any benefit from him or his wife just debt.
He and his wife are the most odious pair and should both disappear to Eastern Europe if that is his opinion. Some of the ones already here are pick pocketing in towns and cities, mugging, etc. Try reading the papers idiot.
Yes let's get some foreign politicians because our lot are useless lazy idiots
you want to look at yourself your job is not that hard none of you Tories have had a job in your lives
This speaker has always been a problem in his Job, he should not be airing his views and should be TOTALLY NEUTRAL. How can this man possibly give fair assessment in parliament when he is not totally impartial. He should be replaced, not just becaus eof this but because this is one of many immoral acts that this man (and his wife) has performed over the years. HE THINKS HE IS UNTOUCHABLE as the speaker. Lets get him sorted out. As Nigel Farage says, he is a disgrace to the British People.
so this means he puts all Brits in the same category???? I am NOT workshy and never have been and have also worked with eastern Europeans a lot and yes they do work hard but no more than what I do. its all good and well making a statement like this but he should have got his facts right first. I agree a lot of Brits are work shy but so are the Europeans coming over to claim benefits that I YES ME and other hard working brits pay for.
take his job off of him and give it to sn eastern European
Yes that may be true because a lot of the immigrants are less obese, taller, fitter and living as single guys over here with no mortgage to pay. It's like a holiday job for them and they live in groups mostly men behaving badly and a lot partying at night and wooing all the females they can find. They work excessively and at speed because their families are back home mostly and nothing to rush home for at the end of the working day. I admire the work ethic and their fitness but they are making our employment problems worse and our own unemployed get daily more depressed and more out of condition. A relative of mine recently took a minimum wage job after 5 months unemployed and found he could not get any help with his private rent and it was a month before he got paid! This pitches single workers into debt right away..there is no fnancial assistance until they have been unemployed for 6 months..strange philosophy to penalise people for getting a job sooner rather than later?
Yes folks, vote for any of the Lib/Lab Contrick parties and what you get is Monster Screaming Raving Loony notions.
Harder workers or not, they do work hard overall. In my experience of working in an increasingly Eastern European workplace, I found them hard working and prepared to put in extra hours most other employees would shy away from. On top of a full time job most would quite often have a second job, or be studying at college, usually English. I think it was a very sweeping and unnecessary statement to make, but some of these migrants are more hardworking than English born citizens. I'm not saying all are as honest as the ones I've come across, but then again, some British play the welfare system too.
Well with a name like Bercow - he would say that, wouldn't he? When did he drop the Z in his name?
They are LAZY
Thank you , for acknowledging hard work, Sir. Most of the time these so called ''immigrants'' get work is because the lax lazy white boys and gals who DM will like to lable as''our people'' do not want to work...be honest Bless all serve all.......We are all one in this universe requiring each others help and guidance at all times Amen
He's a talentless fool, and his wife's a talentless fool!!!
Yeah - well come and live down my road then. And see the benefits of MASS immigration first hand. Live life like I have to, and then you will surely see the error of what you have said. Just another out of touch politician who's stupid comments do not reflect the average person on the street. OF COURSE you think its good, you have not been touched by the negatives of mass immigration like the rest of us. Just another politician showing how out of touch he is with the rest of us.
Because its impossible to find work for most Britons due to migrants. If you took away people who weren't born in the UK, unemployment would steadily increase. You just need to look at Australia to realise. Red Arrow me, but it's the truth.
Romanian parliament didnt we see them camping out in the middle of london recently
Why would you choose to empty Portable Toilets, clean-up after Festival, Race-goers and the weekend spewers when you can sit back and watch those with a work ethic doing these jobs? Just a pity that the DM finds this odious man worthy of a quote.
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It is obvious that all he is wanting to do is cause some deflection from his wife's shenanigans. This is a man who was put in this position by liebour, whose wife is a liebour supporter, and a person who would say anything to ensure he got his name into print. Papers should just ignore him he is a little man trying to fill a big office and failing. It is a fervent hope of mine that come the General Election on May 7th 2015 he fails to get enough votes and forfeits his deposit.
Total BS. I have lived in Poland for some time and from what I have seen here, most of them wouldn't have lasted a day at the places where I used to work. Even other Poles comment on how slow most Manuel workers are here. In the local news paper they even had a series of articles taking the 'P' out of some workers who were putting in new sewer pipes, because the job was going so slowly they even included pictures of them standing around doing nothing. And let's not mention the attitude of service staff, although I have seen some improvement in this area.
What chance has this country got when its own politicians are against there own people? Solution vote UKIP
What he means is they work for half the pay,which makes the employers happy.And then Brits cant get a job.Then the same politicians call them lazy.
Who was paying for this visit to Bucharest - presumably the British taxpayer? Why on earth was he visiting the Romanian parliament and in what way could it possibly be relevant to his job?
This is incorrect. Some people work hard, others do not. It varies from person to person. It has nothing to do with nationality. The fact that we have so many, many foreign based criminal enterprises across our nation shows the weakness in system.
What would this pompous idiot know about ordinary life peering down on the plebs from his ivory tower
Oh and i have been pitted against E Europeans for the last 20 years and not one has been faster than me
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Can Romania keep him
For the last 4 years I have worked as a self employed financial agent working on a commission basis only - the company is desperate for new agents to date no Eastern European has applied ,is it because they can not work HARD enough on a commission only basis?
Oh my god shut up you stupid man. It doesn't effect you in your posh house on your posh street. Try living in east London when you are the only English speaking person on a full bus. Feels great..
What and overbearing, pompous, obnoxious, fool. If he thinks that all Eastern Europeans are hard workers he is sadly deluded. The Eastern Europeans that will go to Britain will be the ones that can't and won't get a job and just live off benefits. They have very little or no recognized skills and are renowned for poor quality workmanship. Birk-cow should be graising in a field with the rest of his bovine friends. I know for a fact that most of the people that left the Czech Republic for Britain are gypsies and the word WORK is not in their vocabulary.
What a cheek this man has. We have a right to a break whilst working, it is something that we British fought for. I think if Mr Bercow thinks the Eastern Europeans work harder he should get himself into one of the many kitchen's in one of the many restaurants in London, they work 18 hour days running 5 or more consecutively this is something the Eastern Europeans can not cope with and many leave. Mr Bercow "ORDER ORDER" now that is a difficult job !
What right does someone in USA have to comment on how the British work!! nyc USA!!!
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester........How about one of the 7 dwarves in a Christmas pantomime and his gobby wife as an usherette.
That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic- jestaudio , birmingham, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 08:03 Of course, to your mind, this couldn't possibly apply to any immigrant, could it? Oh no, there are no unemployed immigrants in this country, just as there is no cheap labour taking the place of Britons (and making them unemployed) who have to survive at our high cost of living. Oh no, that couldn't be the case because well off people who employ them for peanuts keep telling us how wonderful they are.
hahaha not all britons, some yes. Especially anyone in government who lets face it, are only slightly above our feckless scroungers in terms of how much (or little) they contribute.
What on earth is Berkow doing in Romania in the first place? The role of Speaker is to oversee the workings of the House of Commons - in London, England! He is NOT a branch of the Foreign Office. If his comments have a grain of truth, it is because Socialsim (as espoused by his missus) has provided a life of ease for the feckless, which many have been happy to exploit. Remove the Benefits and you would be amazed how many would be willing to work hard if starvation beckoned!
Bercow's words merely reflect the agenda of the politicial class, they hold the British people in contempt, while milking us dry, they tell us we are lazy, racist, and traduce us at every opportunity. They are using mass immigration, cultural replacement and social engineering to replace us with a nation more in keeping with their Frankfurt School inspired agenda.
IDIOT!! It has had NO benefit at all! These people are used to working for low wages, in line with their countries lower costs of living! All it has done for British people is drive the wages even lower than they were before!
Around %30 of the ones i know are drug dealers
This man and his wife are a disgrace to British life. I don't know how he keeps his job. Every MP should vote to sack him, not to mention his assistant.
Does anybody care, or believe what this absolute wally says? He and his wife should get out of Westminster, and find proper jobs like everyone else has to. Complete and utter idiots, both of them.
I expect they are harder workers than John Bercow & his wife.
Partly true but a mainly deluded man. Look who he married.
.Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. - Semolina Pilchard, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 7:48 For all you out there who love to complain when Americans, and certain others, call ¿Football¿, ¿Soccer¿, you should know that it was the British that invented the word and it was also one of the first names of what we now primarily know of as ¿Football¿. In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was ¿Soccer¿. Not only that, but the sport being referred to as ¿Soccer¿ preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word ¿Football¿ by about 18 years. This happening when it became more popular with the middle and lower class. When that happened, the term ¿Football¿ gradually began dominating over ¿Soccer¿ and the then official name ¿Association Football¿.
I have no problem whatsoever with skilled English speaking migrants coming to this country from anywhere. The classic Polish builder is a well known example of how hard working and talented they can be. What I do have a problem with is the government not having a clue who is here, letting anyone and everyone squander our NHS rescources and finally, having to allow thousand of migrants in who have no skills and don't speak the language. Anyone listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning???
What a plonker...I used to buy into the mantra of the lazy British worker until I lived in France....now they really are lazy....British workers are generally hard working and if you want a job done properly 9 times out of 10 it behoves you to have a Brit worker. This little worm Bercow needs to go, he is an embarrassment and an ignorant jumped up nobody!
Did not make a success in their own countries ,same people
Red arrow me as much as you want but he is right migrants are harder workers than british workers!
Jock strap, Greenwich Village, NYC, United States. The Americans think its their birthright to own a house at any cost and look at the fine mess that created economically around the world People in glass houses and all that!
Is he not the same person who has a nanny working for him that is paid by a taxpayer. If he can't clean his shoes on his own he shouldn't criticise others. What does Mr Speaker do in his job besides sit like a dummy in parliament?
There is a certain truth in what he says - ask any cabbage farmer in East Anglia BUT, he is still an idiot!
He was probably comparing them to his wife!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree
Berkow with his dippy wife are a couple of complete idiots - time to go!!!
Lock him up
Remarkable how patriotic our leaders are. How moral and incorruptible. How hard-working and competent. We plebs are truly blessed.
What would he know about hard work.
New World Order goes marching forwards and upwards!
he has more days off then a pregnant duck himself but he is British too so that explains why he took the easy way
That is probably because the EU and our government have emotionally battered the British people into NON SELF BELIEF - Don't they get it - it is them that make us feel useless by not listening to a word we say and take our point of view into consideration - they just bulldoze their way through and disrespect us as a nation. Who would want to work for a so called boss as that.
why doesn't he live next door to them idiot. shut up.
What's up Bercow, need to take the floodlight of exposure off your wife. If you are so disloyal to your countrymen you should not be in your present job. 7 May 2015, the day you get your P45.
This man as no moral sense. Like the last Speaker he is self self and self. He should be drummed out of this role. Maybe he has one working for him and his wife in the grace and favour accommodation that we have too pay out for. Maybe after getting Mugged-Pickpockted or Burgled by one or the other Eastern Countries immigrants he'll change his feeble deluded mind. ANYTHING TO PUT DOWN THE HARD WORKED OVERTAXED BRITS.
every job they take is one less for brits that are allowed to stay on benefits
More rubbishing of the British Workforce by the Political Elite, before EU expansion the crops did not rot in the fields the Supermarket shelves were stacked, the houses and extension were built. If Bercow is so keen on Eastern Europe why did he have his original name Bercowitz anglisised to Bercow, never in a million years could John Bercowitz become an English Gentleman. _ Vote UKIP
Perhaps his wife would like to "tweet" her views as well?
Why do we forget so easily? These poor folk in Eastern Europe were signed over to Stalin by Churchill on a piece of paper after WW2. We abandoned them all. While they suffered decades of living in fear & oppression & we grew fat, wealthy & arrogant, believing we were the saviours of the world! They did not choose to be born there, that's a lottery of life people, just as they did not choose the regime they suffered under. Why should they not want to search for a better life? We are all human beings, none better than the other. When we begin to truly appreciate this amazing gift of life, then we may appreciate each other, our planet and it's amazing gifts rather than treating it as our larder and creating unnecessary conflict. It is easy to condemn, far harder to understand ...those lucky enough in the lottery of life to be born in the UK should feel very grateful & understand, not vilify, those that were not. Understand just how fortunate you are & the majority of those born are not ..
How can this be when it pushes up unemployment, a strain on our NHS system, housing, prisons etc. How ridiculous. We can do without idiots such as him.
When will this oink be fired? He is a waste of the air he breathes. The less we hear from him & his wife the better. If he ends up in the lords it will be an absolute disgrace.
you have my vote ,Sir.
The truth hurts does it not?
What a naive cosseted little man he is, look at them all in Westminster where every thing is subsidised in the restaurants and canteens plus a gold plated pension to boot, they live in shangri - lar compared to us everyday folk
Bercow must be talking about MP's !!
Further to my last post (if it gets posted) is the quote from David Rockefeller at the Bilderberg meeting in 1991.... Quote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle
Says he who has 13 weeks holiday a year at the tax payers expense.
This guy is a gold plated fake and it becomes apparent whenever he opens his mouth.
all the parties are the same voice of this moronic man. thats why I will now and forever be voting the only party for the working brit.
I can only speak from my personal experience. They did my loft conversion for me about five years ago. I've not had any complain about the quality of their work. For about two months that the work took, they without fail, reported for duty at 08:00 am everyday. and it was done for three quarter of the price quoted by their British counterparts. Having said this, others might have a different experience.
Didn't we have 13 years of labour trying to justify imports?
There are migrants and there are migrants. Many work but many are parasites on the benefit system. Does he think that the hate preachers are good hardworking citizens ? - and they are just the tip of the ice-berg. The man needs putting out in the garden where he belongs.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Little weed should and supposed to keep is little mouth shut!!!
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." NO Mr Bercrow but they do reflect the views of the British polulation, and we now have it from your mouth that Parliment does not respect the wishes of it's people. Time to vote UKIP
I have a good friend that gets up at 2.30am every morning........milks over 300 cows..........then works on other tasks until 4.00 pm most days.........He is owed over 15 weeks holiday pay because not even the Polish can do his job so he has to be there............and yes surprisingly Mr Bercow he is English........yes English........
Who would listen to that self serving parasite.
the foolish man has committed political suicide,
Go away odious little man
He may be right, but what is in no doubt is that my counties police most wanted list of around 80 villains is 75% foreign, and every week in the local paper the court round up is a third foreign, both way higher than the foreign population percentage.
Speaking as someone who has employed both migrants and British workers out on the farm, this is technically true, as time and time again I found that locals could get the same money from the DSS for doing nothing as I could pay them for working. No brainer really, cut benefits and force locals to go out into the fields picking fruit and veg, only then can we ditch the migrants.
What our governing idiots have really achieved is to make us look like slavers - they are encouraging the uneducated and poor to come here and work for low wages, live in God awful conditions usually under the heavy hand of their own kinsmen or are given all kinds of benefits free when they have not paid anything towards it and we are depicted as lazy louts who live on benefits. Then they have the nerve to preach to us about OUR shortcomings from a position of so called power leaching off others and living the high life.
he must be sacked,TODAY.
How would the poisoned dwarf know, his experience of British workers is fellow MP¿s?
How would he know? He's never been in a real job and never lived in the real world unlike the rest of us. I suggest he gets out and about in towns and cities around the UK and see the reality of immigration.
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester
Obviously the sign of a man with limited intelligence, insult the good hard working people who are paying your wages. How nice of you Mr Bercow.
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS. - Devine , London, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 07:48++++++First and foremost, we do have shirkers, as do many other Countries. However, as you rightly point out, they are used as cheap Labour over the indigenous workforce. MP's, and others who voice off, saying the British are workshy are well aware of the "cheap Labour" aspect but for some reason continue to shout it from the rooftops. This to me is trying to justify their ultimate goal of De-Nationalising, not only our Country but others as well. The Bilderberg group is assembling here in a couple of days. One can only wonder what their agenda for the future of all Countries are. The Words of one of its members "Rockefeller" spelt it out perfectly......their aim in his words is for a one world Government.....Far fetched? check it out.
I am an Englishman who like most others of my generation, have worked and paid taxes for over 55 years, to end up paying people like him to run our country. I find him very offensive and distasteful. If he thinks migration is so great why does he not do the popular thing and migrate to E. Europe, that would get 'my vote'.
Odious little traitor. Remember who pays your wages, expenses and and nanny Bercow. WHY HAS HE BEEN LET OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
He's right. You don't see many English on the bus's a 6 in the morning off to clean our hospitals.
There can be no country in the History of the World where politicians like we are saddled with in the UK have consistently failed to put the interests of their own people first.
British people are not busy at pick pocketing talk about our elected idiots hating us!
I have spent a lifetime putting incentive schemes into British manufacturing and I am sick to death of ill-informed people like Bercow running down British workers. I have found them to respond readily to new systems of working and apply themselves to the task in hand. When Bercow and his ilk give value for money instead of milking the system then maybe he can give lectures - until then, button it !
Time to go BIRKow
Well when it comes to work I have to agree.The East Europeans are much hard worker than British and also they work for much less. But still fairly I have to say the British people deserve the job places first and then the immigrants! But they have to make a go for it and not only sits at home on benefits!!! 80% of Blairs and Browns generation people ( kids) are at home on benefits instead of looking for work!!!
What a prat! Yes if they r robbing our streets!!
because the pounds worth more in their country than ours so when they send it home to their families or save it to buy property or businesses back home it's like they've been paid double what a low wage Brit would get. stop bashing brits it's getting boring. vote ukip if your a Brit on a low wage competing with foreigners. ukip don't brit bash
So the British get it in the neck again regarding being workshy? I think we are all tired of getting put down by our politicians when they travel abroad and yet most of the British army are drawn from the same working class and praised to the hilt. The labour market has been dumbed down so that the likes of the politicians in London can have cheap carers, hotel workers, nannies, builders etc to keep them in the luxury they want but cannot really afford with British workers who did not want to see their living standards eroded. These people such as Bercow are Traitors to the British working class. The class system in this country is the root of all evil. Here we have a publicly paid (by us through our taxes) demeaning the British working class of this country in another country. What some people want are "slaves". People want a certain standard of living in all social stratas of society and woe betide anybody that doesnt understand that one especially the politicians in Britain.
Err theres plenty of eastern europeans claiming our benefits too and at least they are keeping our police force in jobs
And that is why our prisons are filled with them. People trafficking is on the up and the streets arent safe. Nice one!
I'm sure if he said Romanians were less hard working...he would be called a racist...but it's ok to keep knocking the Brits !
Maybe we should replace the government with Eastern Europeans as they will work harder.
It's dishonest and misguided to speak for a nation of people who you clearly don't know.. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience, in which case he seems to be admitting that he's bone idle. I'm sick of these stupid blanket statements about lazy Brits.. Why are we constantly talking down the country? Yes, immigration is good.. For driving down wages and driving up house prices.. Brilliant.
So why not elect several of them as MP`s and the countries problems will be solved in a jiffy?
Pint sized pratt.
Suggest he and his wife get a one-way ticket, out.
What an idiot this man and his wife keep proving them selfs to be...who pays his wages..????
And the people in "Skint" are harder workers than you, Bercow.
Well, the way the country has gone down the pan during the past thirty years proved that John Bercow and all those who have served in the mother of parliaments have been complete failures, They are seen and have been watched by journalists and the people who have proved that MPs are bone idle, liars and cheats in every sphere of public life! Hard work begins with leaders at the top, if people see those leaders are bone idle then it reflects on society..
To Quote Helen below: "What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP." *****What would the average DM reader know?*****
lets be honest eastern europeans want to work, people like the philpotts etc want to claim dole, its a fact and useless trying to say it isn't. that shouldn't mean we have let in so many though, its ridiculous
That sums it up : pay the migrants 7 £ / hour on a 6 month temp contract and charge customers 65 £ / hr.
He certainly have the enemy within and it's in Government all on sides we are being attacked its disgrafull!
If these economic migrants are good for Britain why can't they be good for the country they come from? In my opinion when a country joins the EU, and its usually for economic development reasons, the EU should invest large amounts of money and develop a strategic development plan for that country so that work and acceptable benefits are made available to the workforce and unemployed. This would help to stop the mass migration to developed countries.
Never forget that it was Labour who put this pompous ignorant man into such an important post.
You know what, I agree with him. Too many British people moan about them but if they're hard working what's the problem?
Well they certainly have a better work ethic than you Berky. When are you going to do the honourable thing and resign?
Bercow vs Farage. Who's right? I don't know and neither does anyone else here. None of us is in position to know. We have only our prejudices and biases to inform us.
Very poor judgement (again) - it simply is not his role as speaker to voice an opinion. Having done so it has only shown that as well as lacking in physical stature he is also sadly gravely lacking in intellectual stature as well. Why, oh why are there so many political pygmies in parliament???
As a 61 year old who has been in continuous employment since 1967 I resent these remarks. Let's see how this relates to votes in the next election.
Yeah, there are great advantages to hiring immigrants, like paying a pittance, not bothering to pay National Insurance contributions and knowing you'll get away with it because your workers likely don't know employment law. The natives won't tolerate it, that's why they're so "lazy".
That rule will apply to most migrants everywhere. They want citizenship and are prepared to do the unpleasant and cheap jobs. Then when that's achieved they want quality of life same as the citizens. Long-term I guess an aim in rich societies will be for it's citizens to work less hours if their job is hated.
WHAT an absolute PRATT!!! ......He and his "wife" should stay together , they both make ARSES of themselves....he should be removed from his position in the house of commons!!! where you are supposed to represent and speak for the BRITISH PEOPLE!
What would any MP know about hard work, especially Bercow? It would make you laugh if only their sloth, stupidity and greed were not so flaunted.
Sorry but I'm afraid he has a point - they are prepared, indeed happy, to do the jobs a lot of British citizens turn their noses up at. Yes, there are some who take advantage of the benefits system and are involved in crime, but this is a minority and let's face it, there are plenty of British who behave in a similar fashion. The difference is that the Eastern Europeans seem to generally have a much better work ethic than a certain sector of British society who prefer to claim benefits and watch Jeremy Kyle than get off their backsides and work for a living.
I agree with you but I still can't stand your wife !
His comments make me so mad. I have worked since leaving college in 1983. I am extremely hard working, like all of my colleagues and friends, working additional hours most weeks without recompense or recognition. How dare these people, who get 3 months recess in the summer (!!!!!!!!) and several other such recesses throughout the year criticise the British public, accusing them of a lack of commitment and poor work ethic. It really angers me. I know more people who work hard than don't. Politicians need to remember that they work for us and stop these ridiculous sweeping statements that just make them look idiotic and uninformed. I'm so angry. Off to work now........
How would he know. Has he ever met any of these workers, or does he simply believe all he reads in The Daily Mail Comments. He should resign as a Member of Parliament for that comment. Or perhaps he still believes that Labour are for the Working Man. So long as the Working Man is anything but British.
I wonder - is there any chance that we could populate the House of Commons with people who actually represent and support the people of BRITAIN, and not by odious little puppets like bercow?
All they have done is driven down prices so tradesman in this country can't live! This man lives in a bubble on crazy amounts of money dished out by you and me. Can we have some real people in politics not these crooks please!
If that's the case then we should get a few hundred Eastern Europeans in to parliament to do the politicians jobs.
why the hell do people have to talk about work or lose benefits THERE ARE NO JOBS half a million mostly part time jobs or full time managers jobs for nearly three million unemployed and with school college and uni leavers this month that number will swell unless they are lucky enough to get some training as a no job at the end of it apprentice at £2.65 AN HOUR ...MAYBE IF THERE WERE NOT SO MANY IMMIGRANTS THERE WOULD BE MORE JOBS TO GO ROUND .SEEMS TO ME THIS COUNTRY SPEND TO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT OTHERS INSTEAD OF THERE OWN
Perhaps their MPs are more honest than ours too?
Work - this pig ignorant man doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25>>>>>He does not hate Europe just the EU and what it is doing to Europe! As for his track record in the EU Parliament it seems that applies to all EU MEPs I have never ever seen more than a third of the seats occupied...at least he stands up and speaks out, unlike others!
Bercow,you are a disgrace.
Lets get a migrant as the new speaker then , he surely can't be any worse and hopefully wont have a publicity obssessed missus either.......
Charge the Parasite with Treason
Why on earth does this idiot imagine anyone is interested in his opinion.
The Eastern Europeans usually are great workers but so are the Brits, and I would ask , where is his evidence that this wave of immigrants has brought with it economic success to the country? However we can see and experience the damage it has done to our social structure in the country, services are struggling to cope, Education, Hospitals, social housing, together with some rather nasty violent crimes. I wish the immigrants had never come, it has changed my country. Politicians sold my birthright for a mess of potage
they get a better deal. free health care, benefits for themselves and partners, and a home.
Ive worked full time since I left school at 16. I even relocated from my home in North London to the west midlands (on my own at the age of 21) for a new job. how the hell do people like him get such high profile/paying jobs. absolute MORON.
has he been listening to his wife again with her fetish for itinerant!?!?! The Burk & the Cow!
Now we can see who are selling us out to the Eu, the very people supposedly there to protect our way of life and culture the politicians. It's long past the time when these Europhile traitors are removed, they have caused enough damage to our country. Bercow by name Burke by nature.
He represents the British people but makes comments that are racist against us. He is a disgrace and should not be allowed to represent us.
What planet are these people from???????
If they are so good then we better put them in the Houses of Parliament as MPs & a new speaker! Berco can come work in the real world were you have to pay for your lifestyle instead off freeloading!
Yes some immigrants may be hard working but what about all the immigrants who just come over to claim benefits
This presents a dilemma for the right wing - He's praising hard workers over layabouts / those with no work ethic / those with the handout mentality. That would normally be 'advantage - hard workers'. BUT, the comparison is pitting British born against foreign immigrants, which is always 'advantage - British'. Do they choose to praise a foreigner, or defend the work-shy?
I suppose he made these comments to draw public attention away from his silly workshy wife and her inane twittering. I wonder what his unemployed constituents think about his lauding of foreign workers who just possibly, might be taking jobs that they could do.
This bloke is repugnant.
Stop making excuses for the poor immigration mess! They are 'hard' workers because on the side they soak the benefit system whilst sending money back home.
Keep diggin' that hole, LibLabCon.
Perhaps Bercow should remember this saying, ".Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed. - The Red Arrow King , London, 05/6/2013 05:36..................... That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic
What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP.
Depends which migrants you are talking about.
Bercow should be put in the coal mines; totally obnoxious little squirt
Given that there are seven billion on the planet there is bound to be some people who work longer than we do, but that is no reason at all to bring them in to our borders and so dispossess the people. The only quality there people value in humanity is propensity for slavery.
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper.
The average (or even below average) immigrant has benefitted this country more than Berkow has, but that's not difficult. UKIP UKIP UKIP!
As an employer, I have said the same thing myself before, although the DM chose not to post it. In my experience migrant workers have a much better work ethic than British workers who I have found to be lazy and I'm sure the migrant workers are doing the jobs that British workers wouldn't lower themselves to do. Why should they? There's always the dole.
Another m0r0n that needs to go
TRAITORUS LITTLE PILLOCK
Well the influx created by his Government has certainly kept the Police busy!
harder working than the British DO you think that is because they have a job and the British do not due to the influx of migrants
We should have seasonal migrants who come here and help with harvest and unless they pass the English test, do not preach hate, and come with means, I don't mind them here. Not those who commit crimes on the motorway to scam insurance companies, or kill their loved ones, or cannot speak the language! We don't want any more translation on the council list...
True there are some slackers in society. but I blame past governments for breading the benefits culture. now we have a situation where wages have been driven down by cheap foreign workers housing prices driven up by immigrants. public services drained by immigrants. care for me to carry on J B!.. lets not forget how this wil affect pensions for the future....I work 70 hours a week to suport my family..what do you do you tory muppet...about time you and your wife climbed back under the rock you both slithered out from......VIVA LA UKIP!
Thats why the prisons are full of them!!!
Hard working builder £10 per hour with no teabreaks, turns up every day and job done on time or Brit builder £25/30 per hour, teabreak every hour, unsighted for days and job still unfinished on the time agreed. Bit of a no brainer really isn't it....
Well this is "rich" coming from him, he who belongs to the oldest "old boys network" in the country, when are the people of this country going to get wise ? just take a look at how many failed politicians are elevated to the upper house, ( most of them we don't hear much about, until something happens,ie" Jack Cunningham) the "kwangos" are also filled with either failed politicians, or their various friends. So next time one of them has the "nerve" to comment on our work ethic, just remember the above.....
Well why not give your local village up to these hard working immigrants them? There's a load more on the way from Rumania to choose from. Or better still, just ride off in to the sunset with with your other idea of a wonderful person...The wife!
This must be the only country in the world where it's own Government puts it's own people down. What must the world think of us? when you get Cameron Osborn now Bercow putting us down. Mass migration to a small country is not good no matter how you disguise it.
F H sad britain ;; get your facts right he is a blairite through and through not a tory in fact he is so anti tory it shows every time he opens his mouth and as for his wife the least said the better as i could be locked up for what i might say ,it looks like he his after something to help pay for her huge court case bill unless her tv(ahem) friend will help pay the money
Obnoxious man. What does he know about hard work? How about cutting back on the amount of low paid immigrants coming to this country and actually give our kids a chance of a job!
Yeah because he has such s hard job he would know what hard work is. Just another example of an overpaid civil servant laughing at the common taxpayer.
I agree - they're out in all weather selling the Big Issue just so they can become self-employed and claim benefits. Invaluable contribution to British society!
Rubbish! I knew a time when the british worked very hard for the pittance that they got. The british worker just got sick and tired of fatcats stuffing their pockets at the employees expense. Even though fatcats are more prevalent today as was then, there is now another "employer" in the ball game. This employer known as "Welfare" is benevolent and has been allowed to be taken advantage of on laws made by the policymakers. Change the system, change the laws and encourage employers to pay people for a fair days work.
do you know what Farage was spot on with his comment, but he should have said the Bercow's were a disgrace to the nation. John Bercow should be removed from office as he has shown a definite bias and has therefore undermined the neutrality of the post of Speaker
Runt
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay- catman, Nottingham, 5/6/2013 4:07>>>>>>>>>>>>Us Brits! speak for yourself! Myself and my family have and do work hard, we fortunately have never had to claimed from the state, unlike some who through circumstance need to! My daughter travels over 4 hours a day to get to and from work, as I am sure many others do also. That statement is no better than that ignorant little mans!
Now we are expected to take cognisance of what this stupid little burke says. What does he know about work? Hasn't done a day's work in his life. No wonder the public think we are governed by gormless out of touch idiots when they spout rubbish like this!
I see Bercow is,was sorry, is a Merchant Banker.
Now there`s a man who needs to get a proper job.
Of course they work harder , that's why their own country is doing so well! Hey wait a min. John Berk - worst speaker ever - would sell his grandmother for a fiver
He knows this because they are at his home cleaning, washing, mowing, cooking and dusting.
How much has it cost the British tax payer for this latest jolly by Bercow ? He's a complete and utter disgrace. When his fellow MP's voted him to speaker it should have been clear to everyone that there was never any intention of cleaning up their act. Treacherous little man.
Typical of the wishy washy, London centric,Liberal softy, elite that are doing their best to destroy this nation and hand it over to the EU.
RACIST!! how dare he say that about british people.
If he had said the opposite; He would be charged with Racism and sacked! He is a ant-English hater and should be charged with a Race Hate Crime!!!
Didn't Peter Mandleson recently say about government, we actively went out to get foreign workers while making it HARDER FOR BRITISH TO GET EMPLOTMENT (Daily Mail 14/05/2013) Apart from that, what does an overpaid expences for anything and everything politician know about WORK ???
I'm not sure they actually work harder. They do seem to work more hours and days but I believe this is to earn more money relatively because of the low wages they receive. I know many migrant workers and nearly all are being paid less than the minimum hourly rate, so they work all hours they can
And exactly what would JB know about working hard - Order, Order Blah, Blah, Blah!!
The Lib/Lab/Con actively working against you for decades but still millions of you vote for them - incredible.
So, if that's true and you keep employing migrants because they "work harder", what are you going to do with the British working population? A recipe for disaster! A good and healthy society is not all about getting the cheapest labour to make the maximum of profit. What businesses are saving the state has to make up for.
I know generalisations are dangerous but From my own observations of service industry (hotels) Eastern Europeans in particular Polish workers in the 20-30 age group have a stronger work ethic, better attitude and are much less likely to complain about a hard days work than British kids in the same age group.
Racist - has somebody reported him to the police?
Coming from a man who has never done a hard days honest work in his life I find his remarks quite fatuous. He and his wife need to engage their brains prior to opening there big mouths.
Pompous little man. He should be removed from his post. He is not fit to hold it.
Mr Bercow has an awfully big mouth for such a small man.
He is an idiot of a man - as evidenced by his choice of wife - but he is probably correct because most foreign workers I meet have a better work ethic and far superior inter-personal skills than the home grown undeducated dross that we are turning out. Instead of looking for work most of them spend their time trying to AVOID it whilst claiming every single allowance they can con out of the useless departments responsible.
And what would he know about work?
What a complete prat this bloke is!
Coming from a pompous little parasite his comments only serve to confirm the thinking in that den of thieves.
This is incorrect and an insult to the hard working British , which I have been a part of since 1977!!!!!!! This coming from someone who gets paid for mouthing off in the House of Parliament !!!
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 ...................................................................................................................................................Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. Also these friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens ofE. European. Are these the same ones that your country treated with suspicion for the entire Cold War period and would have happily annihilated?
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I suggest you speak to your wife, she knows the penalty for talking crap!!!
Why are people being given column space in the media like BERCow making comments like this and stopping our kids getting jobs here,is it to justify the disgusting immigration policies of this govt and its predecessors,when will they admit they got it badly wrong and it will take a long time to put things right,Mr BERCow wants to get his house in order!!!
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
He says it like it is.
Miners, steelworkers, ship builders. Toughest jobs in the world. What happened to them Bercow? Before anyone criticises the Britsh, we did happen to be the work shop of the world. Give us our proper jobs back and we will work.
Yeah because 6.08 quid an hour is a fortune for them! No one can make a decent living in the UK on that min wage. Come to Aus 11 quid an hour min wage and same living costs plus penalty rate weekends.
If this man speaks for the Conservative Party ? then they want voting out of Power. This country is short of Houses, the NHS is on its back due to Migrants. I bet the social Benefits is also out of control. I walk down Town and it is like living in another Country, the 3 main Parties have really put us in a right mess.
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
If these migrants insisted on the minimum wage they would not even get a job.
If that was true then why doesn't their country prosper more, they have to come to the UK to find work and take the jobs of the people from them.
Perhaps if our welfare system hadn't made it profitable to be work shy, our own younger generation would be more hard working! But those that do work, work hard and generally for very little recognition of their efforts! This stupid little man needs to go back to his big chair and be quiet. There are lots of things wrong with this country, a lot of it created and perpetuated by parliament ... So wind your neck in bercow!
All the Romanian professional beggars at Marble Arch are certainly hard working !
He's right! You Brits are just bone idle!!!
They are great at fraud and robbing houses and scams!
As usual a poltician doesn't understand the worries about immigration. It's all about NUMBERS ! Our tiny island is full up,bursting at the seams,and it's not fair nor reasonable to keep on trying to cram more people in. That's the real concern as people see that our schools,hospitals,housing,transport systems,infra-scructure and so on,all struggled to cope with what they have to do 20 odd years ago. In your house,how many extra people can you allow in before the overcrowding gets unbearable ? Nothing to do with how hard working they are-why do the left always ignore this simple fact regarding immigration.I don't enjoy living crammed like a sardine.
how would that little twit know they are tinkers and thieves that should never be here there way of life is diferent to us he is a privelaged idiot who we just feed so is his very quiet wife
Bercow's never done a honest days work in his life!! So how can this little nasty man make a comment like this ????
stop judging us by you standards you lazy man, get up and go and get a real job on real money we cant all go to work ,get a massive pay packet and fiddle our expenses and rip off every tax payer, squirt.
How long till we can get rid of him and his vile wife ?.
His wife is clearly not the only member of that family to spout nonsense.
They might work harder than he does, or his cronies.
Ironic that all the british workers problems were caused by politicians such as this imbecile. I can tell you after several years experience employing both British and foreign workers. There is very little in it. When the europeans first come they work hard, but in our benefit ridden something for nothing system they very very quickly learn to assimilate and learn how impossible it can be to dismiss them. If i have the choice I always take British. Unfortunately I can't specify at the jobcentre even that they should have an understanding of spoken English.(wheres the Health & safety when you need them)
If migrants are harder workers than the British then let us replace all the MPs with Eastern European migrants. Oh sorry that won't happen will it because you will be out of paid employment (note: I did not say work as MPs don't work).
Who on earth is operating this Muppet he must be getting tired.
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 Tell you what, we will send them all over to you in the good ole USA, so that they can take your jobs for less than minimum wage, claim benefits as they are getting paid cash in hand and be a drain on your free health system, oh yeah you don't have one!
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 You obviously need a few Eastern Europeans, and as your own economy is in a total mess you really have nothing to say. Oh, I know, start a war, that would kickstart it.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 Eh? I think you are confusing 'the British' with 'the post-1997 British benefits underclass created by NuLabour'. There is a big difference- they don't represent the majority population, and they certainly don't represent me or any of my family or any of my husband's family ( who all work and are all British on all sides going back at least 7 generations, according to my teetotal, retired after 40 years of primary school teaching, family History-obsessed, old mum). But you wouldn't know that, not living here.
What a load of rubbish, crawl back in your hole...
Civil war anybody???
He might be right about Poles who are generally very hard working. However they only form a small proportion of overall immigration. A substantial proportion of immigrants have neither the motivation, ability or incentive to work and w.
He is absolutely right, a lot of youngsters in this country don't like hard work, they all want to be pop stars.
So John Bercow thinks Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic does he. Then lets put it into practice, perhaps he should replace his wife with a Pole and perhaps we should replace the speaker with a Czech!
now, why isn't that racist against british people? - we have very little rights and protection, clearly
All he and his weird looking wife seem to do, is to claim politicians benefits.
Why you guys just admit it he is so damn right!!!!! Those jobs the romanians have are the jobs you brits dont want !! Is so difficult to comprehand or what???
I despise the ground that the bercow creature walks on. I really, really, hate everything about him
Well, my sister and I were born and raised in the UK. You won't get two more conscientious and hard-working people than us. This man is a prat.
The fact that a lot of them do not mind sleeping 20 to a room and sharing one meal might have some bearing on the economics of it !!!!
Migrants don't work harder than us, they just work for peanuts to keep the government with their cushty salaries/bonuses and pensions which is easier for them than paying a qualified, hard working brit..........there is a difference !!!!!
Racism, pure and simple. Nobody would dare say that about any other race and get away with it.
The hard working British taxpayer will be keeping lots of these Eastern Europeans in Benefits and housing. The government has already annoyed the people who voted for them last time and Bercow is doing it again. Bercow and his wife do more damage to the image of our Parliament on a weekly basis than anyone else so he shouldn't slag offf the workers that pay to keep him in luxury. UKIP are laughing at these idiots.
Bercow is Barking Mad. These Eastern Europeans are not needed or wanted, everywhere we go people are talking about what is happening in England,we are losing control, We have been invaded by a mass of foreign speaking people taking jobs that should be done by the unemployed,
deluded. living in a bubble
He is a complete gentleman's sausage!
what qualifies this odious showman to talk about work.
thats nice,move over let them have your job
Perhaps he would like to give up his seat to an immigrant then?
How do these twits get elected in the first place? I'm sure the long term unemployed don't vote for them!
you'd think that family would have learnt to keep their big traps shut by now
Those that do work, work hard to prove they should be here and that is fine. It's the ones that come here and don't work, expect to receive benefits, housing and the use of our NHS and/or bring their criminal ways here with them, that we all have issues with. Why do the government think that everything is rosy in garden England as far as immigration goes?
Catman, Nottingham, Who died and made you the mouthpiece for all Brits - you may speak for yourself, the rest of us have our own thoughts about lots of different issues. Not that our governments have spent much time listening to us - they don't bother because the real government is in the EU. Our government was cut off at the knees some time ago. As someone else has pointed out, if these people are the 'hard' workers they are cracked up to be, how come they had no impact on the economics of their home countries. This is why those countries want us to pay the highest rates of benefits, even to children who are not resident - we are their cash cow. Before anyone says that millions are being paid out in benefits to Brits across EUrope, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Successive governments used the benefits system to keep people quiet while they finished the dismantling of Britains industrial past - the unskilled working class don't have another country to run back to.
This comment from a man who has probably never done a true day's work in his life and like most MP's live of the publics back
To even begin rebuilding this country we must start by removing these odious people from OUR Parliament. Ever wonder why he was chosen as speaker by MP's? Now you know.
GET RID, of Berc and the eastern europeans!!
NO THEY HAVEN'T. They've taken our jobs, housing and placed an untenable strain on all our resources. Bercow is an idiot.
Silly little sausage.
The statement by Bercow has no basis or truth in it at all. There isn't enough space to write why he is wrong; Its another throwaway comment by another out of touch politician; His own job (speaker) Order; Order Order. Is it really a job lol ... and what's a briton ?. We are either English; Welsh or Scottish; British is the collective name to mask our national identity. Which would change if Scotland left the Union. And then maybe a parliament that looked after its English voters represented by and for the English. then so called Brits could stop rubbishing their own and stick to facts.
But what about housing, they are tearing up the countryside because our population is exploding, largely because of mass immigration.
Bercows liking for foreign workers has more to do with low wages and their being easy to sack.
This is very true and all the politicians know this fact. John Bercow has just hit the nail on the spot. I am not surprised at those criticising him on here because those who tell the truth are no longer popular in Britain. Watch Jeremy Kyle show and you will see what is befalling this country. Your red arrow won't change the fact.
were working hard to keep them out of the uk
Yep and a pig has just flew past my window! No doubt on a tax payers freebie. Once again a sweeping statement reflecting how out of though this man like most other MPs are. Stupid stupid little man.
shut up you fool, you mean there harder workers than mp's get in the real world you plonker
How utterly insulting- he clearly does not know this country at all. Either that or he is confusing being 'harder working' with being 'willing to live in illegal, overcrowded, Victorian slum-like squalor and work for a well sub-minimum wage pittance in (by what used to be British standards, pre- EU enlargement) dreadful conditions, because it's marginally better than what we've left behind'. Which makes him none too bright and not fit for his office. Both my husband and I work harder for longer hours and less money than we ever have because of the mess that is the EU- and unlike the 'immigrants' near us, we feel obliged to provide a decent home, clothing and nutrition for our children out of it. No chance of an annual summer holiday or the odd extra little treat like we used to have as kids though. So, how do we go about sacking Bercow? And the majority of the rest of the greedy, out of touch 'I'm alright Jack' wasters in Parliament- since it seems that's all there is left to do now.
Well the outside helpers have proved in the Middel East and the east Germans have proved to the West Germany that they are and can work better as these natives may take the work load as " We have these so why sorry " I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA An aptitude of contentment needs more push then the IT and need more pat on the back with cash . Pay that you have work done .
So..Job sorted. Replace 'ALL' our overpaid underworked politicians with migrants who'll work for minimum wage.
When did he last work with anyone let alone Migrant s And lets face it that's what they come for work
Reuben Camara Morecambe.... you and how many others I wonder, they are an absolute PITA, and certainly don't benefit the likes of us!
some of their are thieves and murders so would sit in nicely in this country .............yes I suppose their do work harder than us .............
Take no notice ,it's just small talk
And he knows this from his part-time job in Greggs?
I think they are all traitors to their own Countries, why don`t they work and build up their own Countries..I bet they sit on their asses when they were home..They just want to come here for our already built up services, that our own people worked hard for over the years..Why don`t they go and build their own.
Now if one high profile member of a party says it, you could say he doesn't represent the views of his party. Lets face it in all political parties you have individuals like that. However, the conservative party has form for the kind of views about British people Bercow is speaking about. Several conservative members of parliament ,have said similar including Boris Johnson ,you have the chancellor labeling our unemployed as 'shirkers'.There are millions unemployed in this country,as they all 'shirkers'? We all know why british employers prefer foreign workers and it has nothing to do with hard work but because they can pay them less for more hours. That is it. Can I just say ,if anyone votes conservative after we have been repeatedly insulted by members of that party, they deserve all they get. That also includes the Labour party who are responsible also for the mess this country is in. The only way to teach them all a lesson is to vote for UKIP in huge numbers .
How does one know this? If you don't employ someone you'll never know how hard-working they may be. Most immigrant workers will do the jobs the rest don't (in his opinion), because although they are low wages for those of us born and bred here, they are high for those from poorer countries. .
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper than Brits.
ooofftttt has this guy got a masochistic streak?
They are just taking jobs that the British are to lazy or unqualified to have.
No, Migrants suck up the low pay and send it all back to their relatives at home for them to live like kings, while Britains are stepped on by their government!
Certainly harder workers than our Members of Parliament!
That's not true there are lazy ones as well tell stupid Bercow to get out in the real world and have a look
British people are lazier. I own a business and trying to get a Brit out of bed at 3am is extremely hard. All of my workers are foreign, they come on time, work harder and will never complain. It's true I'm afraid.
Well they should do your job then
"Migrants are harder workers than Britons"? Bet he wouldn't dare say, "Britons are harder workers than migrants" even if he believed that were the case. He'd be prosecuted by the anti-racism lobby.
The sooner the British people march on London and kick these M.P's out of office the sooner we can put this country right.
Migrants move to Britain because their countries are poor despite they're hard working, and lazy British made a strong economy and a great nation... seems legit.
What chance for us Brits when the political mouth pieces keep kicking us into the gutter,one thing for sure bet the rims haven't got big trap wife's. like the one he's hooked up with
During my working week I visit several different types of company. This view of the foreign workers is one that I hear repeatedly from the different employers.
I'm with Farage on this Bercow is a Disgrace....what specialist knowledge does he have anyway.
Bercow,you are a berk....- end of.
If his statement is true, then it only goes to show that "Britiain" isn't the British people any more. For the likes of the vast majority of us born and bred here, we see lower wages, harder-to-get jobs, declining terms and conditions, less perks, and poorer public services which we've funded over many years via our NI contributions. No prizes for who gets every available handout having paid naff all into the system, and from pretty soon after arrival at that. There's no need to be an "illegal" - the system favours the front door entry over everything else - from the immigrant point of view.
Perhaps he should come and meet the gangs of Polish men who sit drinking in my local park all day!
He is correct. Romanians can have the lead off a church roof in hours when it would take a Brit days to complete the job.
They might harder workers, but some of them are thieves as well.
Brits are lazy no wonder nothing is produced in this country just take a look at BRICS nations and our German friends. How many of you drive a German car
Bercow the Birdbrain - what a complete idiot. He has no understanding of the damage caused to the country's infrastructure by the mass immigration policies
How many of these hard worker have discovered the benefit system like the self employed east european Roma Gypsies selling the big issue and claiming tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit, paying no tax at all but being a net drain on our benefit system
I have been saying for many years that majority of MP's are the enemy of the British people. they would rather have immigrants in the Country rather than the indigenous population. Let's ensure that in 2015 they are the enemy of the British people and vote them out.
What have the British people done to have their Government hating them so much. Even if the Eastern Europeans do work harder, they don't integrate with the British society, they clog up the hospitals, doctors surgeries, and the general feeling of being overcrowded in the UK , then send there money home, so just who benefits, yes just them not the British. Britain just ends up with alien societies living their lives separately.
Pip squeak? no right to make any comment?
I wonder if he would say that if his job was going to someone from Eastern Europe
I bet he hasn't got any living next door to him. There's eight living in one two bedroom house on our street. It's a nightmare. For this little jumpt up man to come out that statement. I can see now him and his wife are a good match. UKIP take the up the reins
I can guarantee that when the flood gates open at the end of the year you will see full scale riots across the UK.
Romanian beggars are turning up everywhere how is this good for our economy letting all them in ? Look what opening our doors has done our Nhs is on its knees it can't handle all these extra people. Edinburgh royal hospital opened a new maternity unit..... 1st 6 babies born were polish.
Lets put it this way, you get offered a job that pays at least four times what you'll ever earn at home and people wonder why they work like mad to keep that position?? And as in many cases they are working for less than what is the usual salary for that job, politicians can't see why employers are keen to employ???
UKIP!
How many times do little men with who appear to have an inferiority complex open their mouths showing that not much comes out of their mouths or trousers ? get a proper job Johnny and learn about the real world that most of us live in.
Rude, ignorant, lazy, hen pecked fool.
Your comments:all very well but we are overcrowded. Why not relocate our long term unemployed to Romania etc where their benefits would give them a better standard of life.
Minimum wage to these people is a fortune back home. I'd work my fingers to the bone too,if I got paid 2 or 3 times what I could earn at home.
Right, so he said that the views of the press dont reflect the views of parliament or government. So presumably the views of ordinary people are of no consequence at all. That pretty much sums up the disgraceful situation we find ourselves in. There is no longer any democracy.
Yet another one in his westminster bubble who hasn't got a clue what effect immigration has on towns and city's across Britain. These people are supposed to be intelligent.
And because every person running this country would have enough money to be comfortable to retire tomorrow THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
Just what has he and wife contributed to the country ???
They may come with this ethos but soon learn like many of our own that claiming benefits is a very good idea and then things start to change. Also I hope this constituents who work bl.... hard give him a really big kick in the butt next time they vote and put a UKIP MP in - they care about us who live here, work here and try and manage on little.
How do you own property and business within 3 years of arrival ? It's more to do with tax avoidance and sub letting social housing a well worn path.
Look out Bercow there's a Romanian bloke coming over, says he can do your job for a tenth of the money! He's also bringing 650 mates with him to take over the House of Commons. Next year it's 10,000 judges coming.
Bit of a generalisation. Is it racist?
its racism. If the leaders of a country treat all its long term residents like this, a new unbiased leadership should be chosen.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
if they are so hard working, why are their own countries a dump , why are they not building up their own economies. its a joke, they come here for benefits and our jobs.. they live 10 to a room and send all their money home, they drain us dry....
There's more work in a glass eye than John Bercow- and the glass eye sees more too. He is supposed to be apolitical- but there you go- no surprises here.
If they are such hard workers, wouldn't it be more patriotic of them to perform their hard work back in their own countries ?
You notice the type of person who makes this kind of comment has never done a proper days work in their life.
just because they can clean his car for five quid, pay no tax and sleep 10 to a house does not male them better works.
Another talking head. He knows nothing of the real Britain.
Quisling dog .
Within the M25 I am not surprised the rest of the residents leave a lot to be desired.
Oh yes dimwit like the ones squatting in the West End drinking urinating and leaving filthy rubbish everywhere!You and your loud mouth dopey attention seeking wife should emigrate to Romania!
That's a racist remark and as a Briton, I object.
The speaker is supposed to be neutral but of course we all know that he only got the job because the labour politicians wanted their man in the job so he is only saying what Labour think.
Just another example of just out of touch our politicians are
Says the man sat in a chair!! Like most of our never worked politicians, he hasn't a clue what's going on, though it doesn't help that many of our political leaders are in the back pockets of big business. Immigrants are popular with our short sighted business leaders because they use them to force salaries down, (which then pushes people onto benefits, so how does that benefit 'sic' this country?). British staff are deliberately forced out of work and onto benefits, to be replaced by migrant workers who send most of their spare money home, so this country loses out all ways.
Why do the British Government hate their own people, I can't work it out. This would never be said in any other country in the world.
So says Parliament's biggest sponger.
His attitude is typical of the major 3 parties, they despise the British Worker and want to eradicate them. Vote UKIP.
No, they are willing to work for less, they don't work any harder.
We obviously need a few migrants in parliament then.
If the British electorate vote with their hearts instead of like sheep in 2015 and UKIP get their well deserved chance to put their tenets into fruition, hopefully one of the first things Nigel Farage does, after ridding us of the EU, the ECHR and closing our doors to the influx of unwanted immigrants from wherever, will be to kick this odious squirt into touch alongside his loud mouthed attention seeking wife. VOTE UKIP!
What does this man know about working hard. He closes Parliament 103 days a year.
This from a man who robs the tax payer left right and centre, all the immigrants have done is drive wages down. so dislike this horrible little man and his wife.
Well maybe we should select a migrant as speaker then.
So the poison dwarf rises from his Kiddie Seat to pontificate, sit down you little twerp, and keep quiet you biased little man.
They are not still peddling that old lie are they? I work in a large organisation where the work force is 80% Eastern European and I know that they are no better workers than British workers. We are the only country that promotes other countries workers above our own. It is about time M P's went out into society and found out what it is really like.
They might work harder when they first come here then once they are in the system they start to take advantage and work less. Nobody mentions the top ups the Goverment gives them on their wages that we all pay for, so it is a farce. This man should be held for treason vote UKIP.
If they are all better workers ............... resign and let them be in government perhaps we will get some work done then?????
John Who?
There is no excuse for such stupid remarks. Just go now, your position is no longer tenable.
If they are so hard working, why are the countries they come from such dumps bordering on third world standards and status, and just how was this country made into a 1st world country Mr. Bercow? You are insulting countless generations of British workers, perhaps Mr.Bercow you should take a real job and give us a demonstration and an example of real and sustained hard work.
How can someone so lazy and unintelligent, devoid of charm and charisma, with no visible political or social skills rise to Bercow's position to enjoy the 6 months vacations, the taxpayer funded salary, pension and perks. He is a disgrace to the government and an embarrassment to Britain. A 'man' with no shame!
And don't pay tax,NI car insurance , road tax so they know all they get is for them. Most are 'self employed ' and that is s fact
Why doesn't this sad little man just go away
we have these idiots who are politicians in britain talking about working, what does he know about graft he is nothing but a usless thieving mp. another anti britisness mp speaking lies.
So what is Mr Bercow's solution then? To allow endless EU migrants in, have all us lazy British claiming benefits as our work ethic is not as good. That sounds like a great solution Mr. Bercow OR you could just help demoralised, disillusioned young people and other British people get back to work and take pride in what they do. Voting UKIP :) Bring on 2015
WASP I love it I agree with your sentiments - Bash the Brits the sport of knaves, fools and traitors. Where else in the world can you come and live high off the hog on the British taxpayers and insult them at the same time? Come one, come all all free, courtesy of the LAZY Brit taxpayer. You couldn't make it up John Burcow the "Madhatter" from the "Alice In Wonderland" the nightmare that is these days Parliament.
Factually he's correct. Immigrants benefit the economy, are less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be on benefits (even though the DM tries to portray a different picture with its propaganda)
That comment is a bit rich coming from one of the laziest taxpayer funded servants in the country!!!!......maybe if we replaced him and his lot in parliament with some of his hard working migrants the country would not be in the mess it presently is!!!....and they would work for half the pay if not less!!!!!!
That is all very well Mr Speaker . How do we find room for them . How do we cope with the bigger number that will be needed of med care houses schools . I do not need to go through the list . You idiot of a man . Britain is the country the whole is trying to get into . BUT we do not have the flippen room . That's unless we start cutting down this green and lovely land .
Who does this guy think he is? My wife and I along with many other English people work hard. Why should we be forced to listen to the insulting remarks of this greedy disgusting little trough master? Sack him at once. This is another good reason for all you people out there to be voting UKIP.
Don't worry John, keep slogging away, only 5 weeks until the House of Commons two month summer recess.
All migrants not just the Eastern Europeans
Politicians are thick yes.My businesses in UK employ 337 people .263 are eastern Europe all speak English in the last 12 months they have had 27 sick days between them My English workers have had over 200 sick days,who would you employ
Pay a proper wage then. Out of touch idiot.
He is absolutely right Brits are lazy totally agree with him
I doubt whether any of the MP's know what a hard days work is. Let's face it, it is just a bit of spin, trying to garner the votes of immigrants because the Tories have blown it and are not going to get many from the born and bred.
I realise that immigrants from Eastern Europe have a stronger work ethic than the average British worker. How is that a benefit to this country? We used to have a strong work ethic but the Unions became too strong and forced those that wanted to work hard to slow down to the pace of the slowest, collective pay negotiations removed the need to show that a pay rise was deserved.It became a right that drove the manufacturers from this country, as did the inability to remove useless workers from the workforce. Just how long do you think it will take for the same to happen again, when the Polish branch of Unison go on strike and the food industry grinds to a halt, what then?? They can go back to their own country but we are left with the mess. I'll be gone by the time it happens but it will, watch the union space.
According to my Polish wife, British Politicians seem to despise British working people. I think she have have a point
Time to rid the British people of treacherous Parliament. Any other country would have reduced the place to cinders by now. Politicians have ruined my country, my people and our land.
Fire the man for spouting utter rubbish. when last did you work on a shop floor or a factory line - get out there and do it then see who woreks hard or not you unimportant little prig!
Humm bet you hands are softer than mine Bercow........ Regards A BRIT....
With his JOB I cannot see how John Bercow knows what work is never mind hard work, ubless fiddling expenses come into that catagory.
If are britons are so called lazy. Then are polotitions are the laziest people we have seen. Why don't you go for another holliday to france dqvid cameron. While hard working britons are movin lg to austrillia or canada for work
Sack him
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government". However he should remember that we elect them to represent "OUR" views - so he like "Call me Dave" Camoron should go. The majority of the British electorate think that the immigration from EU and elsewhere sanctioned by Bliar and his acolytes and continued by "Call me Dave" has caused an almost irreparable breakdown in the fabric of British society.
Out of touch, like his wife.
if they work harder why is there own country not top of the richest in europe,or do you mean they will work for less.
Having worked and managed Eastern European and British alongside each other I can fully agree with the man. British are lazy and want something for nothing.
When will our politicians learn! Not everything is about cheap labour!
Order! Order! All you critics!
Shut your mouth Bercow, you traitorous little man. You yourself haven't even done a day's work in your life.
As someone who has never done a real day's work in his life I'm sure this idiot is well qualified to make this sort of statement. Bercow is a digrace to the office of speaker but unfortunately he's pretty much what we've been getting since Betty Boothroyd left that office .
When was the last time he broke sweat then.
Wasn't Bercow in the Labour government the same people that made our young live on benefits, him and his woman make a good win double.
Well...what can you say? Nevertheless the good people of John's constituency will continue to vote for him. He's their sort of chap you see. Meanwhile let's hope UKIP put in a better show next time. Anybody but this upstart.
Pity the Foreigners cannot have a chance at this little jumped up idiots job.
What he means is that foreign workers will work for low pay... And really, is it a good idea to throw our own people on to the dole? Who pays for that? Why the poor British taxpayer - remembet most of these foreign workers won't be paying tax. Wake up England - Lets rid ourselves of these traitor politicians and EU quislings!
You only have to see them camped out in the middle of the road at Marble Arch to understand that Bercow is right!
I work 90 hrs a week only to have the lion's share of my money taken in tax/VAT. I suppose thats not working hard enough for you, is it Mr Bercow you swivel eyed loon!!?
Simply not true.
i suppose its one way of trying to negate a failed immigration policy
He is correct . So many Brits will take a " sickie" at the drop of a hat and try to do as little as possible at work
Well they certainly work harder than any MPs. But then so does everyone else.
how it should have read MIGRANTS ARE HARDER WORKERS THAN BRITONS MPS.
Fair enough if you comment on how hard working some of the immigrants are, then you also need to comment on how some of them are lazy and only here for the benefits this stupid country offers
John it depends what you mean by work. If you call sitting on a big fancy chair all day shouting meaningless rubbish at a bunch of cretins work, then you're probably right and should give your job to a Pole or a Pakistani.
Let us hear it.... Let's hear it!
From a man who has never actually worked a day in his life.
what job as this lazy bastard made a success of ,leave out spending taxpayers money tory plonker.
Everyone works harder than you John , maybe you should let them do your job for less money , then you can live off benefits , sounds fair to me hey John
Politician, hard work. Three words that should never mistakingly be put together, robbers and conmen now that's a different story.
Just another traitor in government....
And of course he has evidence of this. He wouldn't just be writing off a whole nation based on an opinion, would he?
There seems a trend to British Politicians - bring in policies that destroy British Industry - then tell the British that they are lazy because they won't work for less than 5 pounds an hour in a coffee shop .
Said the man that sits in a chair all day.
The Speaker' Speaks too much - Time to replace him AND his out spoken excuse for a wife !
Its a stupid remark valid or not for a M.P. to make it serves no purpose and just causes a bigger rift between migrates and U.K. workers.
I reckon there's a little bit of truth in this. How many of you readers would do menial labour without complaining? Or be happy that your kids are? Someone got to do it!
Don't we just love our honest, underpaid, hard working, patriotic and loyal politicians and their pearls of wisdom..............not!!!
This man lives in a ivory tower,,,,,,what does he know about the real world?????
The Bercows sounds like a Tv joke production, I hate politicians of his ilk, speaking against his own countrymen, creepy git, I wouldnt trust him with my dog
Delusional FOOL!
He's a parliamentarian. What would he know about work and commitment?
Bercow and his wife are a disgrace to the UK. Time for them both to go and retire on their big fat cat pensions.
What does the Speaker know, the Brits are only second to Italians when it comes to hard work!
It is true that Eastern Europeans have contributed a lot towards reducing the bills of "entitled" people.
Keeping on talking the British worker down and no- one will employ our youngsters.. who in my opinion as a manager are equal if not better than any foreign workers when given the crack at a real job ..
If that is the case then why don't we give the jobs of some of the MPs including Bercow to hard working immigrants?
And what would a "posh boy" tory like him know about hard work............................................ They only know how to cream off the backs of others....................................................
There's no difference, I work in transport, amongst poles Latvians etc, the only difference is they will always say yes, will you speed, yes! Work illegal hours, yes! Break tachograph & daily rest rules, yes! Have a second job when your supposed to be having your weekly rest, yes! If caught go home for 6 months to avoid the magistrates court, yes!
There is no real comparison with British workers and East European workers. British workers have an established background and work ethic, and a welfare safety net. The east europeans come mostly from communists states and suffered hardshiop. The chance to work means they want to make money and will work longer and harder. Its unfair to compare like for like. Also many have set up agencies that only employ their own. We are being undercut, and unfairly disadvantaged in so many ways having them here.An example is Fyffe factory in Coventry a british city. Polish workers were drafted in and became the majority and training was only in Polish. English workers were not allowed to be considered as they did not understand polish. So Bercow shut up and get the real facts. Im sure your wifes recents exploits mean you low on funds and probably using non british workers. However the British people have had enough of immigration, and finally somethings will be done about it at the next election
Amazing - coming from twit like him he thinks he has a real job.
Inconsequential twit, on a tax payer funded jolly. We may as well close parliament, they only rubber stamp laws passed in the EU.
BRING ON UKIP ,, get rid of fools like berkoff
Bercow you Idiot! Come and live and work the area I do, you wouldn't be saying this then.
Oh, on another jolly eh? What can he say to the Romanian Parliament that would convince me that it was worth all the expense of travelling there? Nothing 😞
So we adopt the failed Labour idea, instead of insisting that British workers work and work for fair wages or lose benefits, we import immigrants whose background is hardly or never checked, with all its consequences. Great policy!
What does he know about what is going on in the world of the UK working population?
Bercow commenting on the work ethic of the rest of us?? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Isn't that racist?
He' as useless as his wife then! Idiotic little man.
And I thought the wife was useless..............
Was that his wife talking ?
Its naive people like John Bercow that have helped destroy our country !
Well John, as you have never done a days proper work in your life, perhaps you should go and live there as you think they are so industrious. Some of it might rub off on you.
Just look what is happening to the NHS, Schools, housing, jobs, too many people coming in ,nobody wants to work as too much benefits are being paid.. Successive governments have killed industry like cars, steel aircraft and shipbuilding, where there was work apprenticeships and tradition. Britain is just sinking through years of incompetent government.
If he finds his fellow countymen so distasteful that he has to publicle denegrate them, the i wish he'd emigrate to his beloved Eastern Europe. I'm sue they'd welcome him with open arms I'm sure, until they got to know him that is. How dare he.
Why is it only positive things are allowed to be said about migrants.
For how much longer will they be content with working for minimum wage, though? Soon they'll get fed up and want a living wage.
How pathetic no race is better than another but the government likes to say this to justify there open door policy's and to keep there big business donors happy with a supply of cheap labour
The Tories have lost their way. I actually find it very sad - they are like an old loved one with dementia - they look like the old loved one, but they say frustrating things that don't make sense.
About as much common sense as his big mouth wife. You need to learn where your loyalty lies.
We always worked out butts off doing 50 hour weeks at maximum speed. I guess its just the managers and politicians who are lazy and blaming it all on the British public. Or perhaps its not in fact that what is bothering them. Perhaps they mean, "foreigners do hard work for almost no pay".
Oh Nigel, that's a flattering photo!
like he will know looking down from his Ivory Tower, stick to wearing your clown gown and presiding over a Circus
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed.
The sick fruitcake needs to be sectioned.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.
Last month it was Boris Johnson saying it, and now it's John Bercow - what is it with Tory MP's and their contempt for the British workforce? There's also a huge irony around any of our underworked and overpaid MP's lecturing us on who works hard and who doesn't.........
Of course they are. They have no idea that the House of Commons is going to rip them off every step of the way. This is why second generation immigrants are keen to get into politics. Look at the Miliband boys!
..... and it's very sad!
Your right john birdbrain I would say you have much more in common with the Romanians who like yourself work very hard at conning and robbing people and not even your own people like you and, you could fit under a snakes belly with a top hat on. You horrible little squirt.
A sweeping generalisation from a bitter man.
if these immigrants are so hard working why are they coming from the poorer and bankrupt countries
Mr B & his mob are doing a fine job of ensuring they are unelectable.
SOME of the migrants that have come are hard working but there are significantly more than do not work at all. Stop the benefits and see how many don't bother coming.
Liebours and the EUSSRs open borders policy has been so beneficial to our younger population. They have never had so much leisure time. This is because there are no jobs to help them develop a work ethic
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." No ! but the media refect the views of the majority of British people, what the hell he would know about work ethic would be an absolute revelation !!!
he is confusing harder workers for cheaper workers. if he is so enamoured by them, let him go represent their country, cos we dont need traitorous leaches like him here.
It's true- loudSpeakers can be a nuisance if not properly controlled...... Westminster Coucil should send round a chap with a decibel meter.
Speaks the man who has never done a hard days work in his life.
Stereotyping a race of people in any way is racist. To infer one race is superior to another in a particular trait puts us on a very sticky path. What you might say is that a person from a country with a low standard of living can move to a country with a better standard of living and if they then live in accommodation like we had in Victorian times (10 to a house) and they save up for a few years an amount of money that wouldn't even be enough for a deposit for a flat. They can then go back to their old country and buy their own home outright.
The truth hurts...he's right!
" in many cases they came with aptitudes and a commitment". The same ones that turned their own Countries into dumps?
.....and they will work for almost nothing, undercutting British workers, are easier to fire and, thereby, enrich further his wealthy mates ?
Might be harder working than an MP but that is a sweeping statement that I find very offensive but what would you expect from a labour MP
He would say that - his grandfather was from Romania ! What I would like to know is - what job - what actual work has Right Honourable John Bercow ever done ? Has he ever had a job -I mean a proper job, not all that councillor rubbish - since he left school in Finchley ? The fact that ones parents were hard-working doesn't mean that the offspring are necessarily hard-working . In my estimation he is like the rest of the politicians - interested only in what he can grab for himself, both in money and power .Statesmen who thought of their country and their people died out years ago.
If you don't know English, you work like a donkey, get paid peanuts. That's what migrants do and employers like it for getting it all done so cheaply.
This is coming from somebody who sits on his brains all day. Money for nothing screaming and shouting all day like kids in a playground and fiddling expenses makes my blood boil, and here I am 4.30am ready for work for just above the minimum pay grrrrrrrrrrrrr
A lot of the British don't get a chance to work, as the migrants will take a lower wage than the average Brtish worker, knowing that they will get all the top ups they need to send back home to their families, give the British worker a decent wage that pays more than the benefits they receive and they would soon prove that they can do a days work, no encouragement when they can getmore by sitting at home doing nothing.
How would you know, Mr Bercow? What do you base your comment on?
What he meant to say was, migrants do the same job for cheaper wages, in his mind, that makes them harder workers.
He makes as much sense as his wife, Silly Sally, he brings Parliament into disrepute!
They're trying to wind us up to distract us. What are they hiding?
Bercow is an idiot and fits in well to the government profile. Get rid of Bercow and would you know the difference. I do not think so.
Can we replace all our politicians then with these mythical harder working immigrants?
Yeah thanks for the slap in the face John. I worked 65 hours last week and when I receive my pay slip on Thursday you can bet that the parasites at HMRC have taken a healthy chunk out to pay towards foreign aid and migrant benefits and not to mention your over inflated wage and don't get me started on the ammount of national insurance I will pay though it takes over a week to see a doctor at my surgery and I have to pay a prescription charge for every single item on my prescription, the last one cost over £21. Yeah I'm really lazy John.
Perhaps some one should remind Bercow that Parliment and the Government are supposed to reflect the will of the people who generally want an end to this country's open door immigration policy. Just who the hell do people like Bercow think they are.
Yes maybe thay do have a better work ethic, but they also work for less money? As for the Media not reflecting the views of Government? Maybe because they reflect the views of the public, unlike the Parliament or the Government?
What a racist comment, I am highly offended by this little pipsqueak. He is racist and he's stereotyped the entire nation, surely this is inciting racial hatred and he should face prosecution. Pity he hasn't learned from his wife's example, don't go shouting your mouth off. Migrants do not work harder than me. I would like to see you come to a steelworks and work with molten metal at 1700 degrees c for 12 hours. You little racist poser.
All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. Kennedy, London, United Kingdom, 4/6/2013 21:12 ------------- In Canada, 1st generation immigrants have to work harder. Because they have to learn the language if they don't know it, to pass the immigration tests and language standards. They have to find work, study, etc. They have to educate themselves in history and in knowledge that even most native-born Canadians don't know the answer to, to pass the citizenship test. BUT... here's the difference... they are actually "immigrants" and they HAVE to prove themselves. They are not like your EU citizens, who can waltz in and out of countries at will without any restrictions or standards. EU citizens don't HAVE to "prove themselves"-that's likely the problem. And "economic data"... is this because a lot of companies PREFERENTIALLY hire migrants over locals?
UK politicians are incompetent, lazy & stupid.
Words fail me with this idiot!
And whose fault is it. Not the government i suppose for giving so many handouts to people who do nothing and get something for nothing culture. You made it like this and soon immigrants will be the same.
Odious Turd!
What a sweeping statement. Really makes him look ignorant.
Harder workers, are they? Well the ones I see on street corners mooching around begging or selling the Big Issue sure aren't.
If Bercrow resigned we could afford to pay a few hundred more immigrants from our benefits system. Probably worth it if he goes away and takes his wife with him
He's right though.. and they're cheaper.
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay
Well he's hardly going to criticize the shambolic immigration policy that his master, Blair, introduced, is he?
If this is the loyalty us Brits get from the speaker of the house is it any wonder we detest politicians?
Putting millions of British workers on the dole because they won't work for low wages - yes really good for Britain.
A politician commenting on anyone's work ethic borders on criminal.
Every time bercow opens his stupid mouth, UKIP pick up thousands of votes.
Mouthpiece!!!!!!!!!
This guy is a complete waste of space, albeit not much space.
Maybe he is looking to his wife for the basis of this comment, what exactly DOES she do again?
Very true.. The British are lazy workers and their work ethic is rubbish. They live in a celebrity and media driven society were their children only aspire to be famous rather than work hard for a living.. #britainisnotsoperfect
John Bercow: What planet do you live on? Not the same one as the ordinary British citizens.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out!
John Berk-ow does not realise that Briton is the people. Many hard working Brits now benefit Australia, America and Canada. You the Politicians have created a welfare state which benefits the unemployable, the lazy or immigrants which can benefit from low paid employement because they GET cheap social housing.
Bercow has nothing to offer Britain except his expense account and his wife's twitter feed. Sign of the times that the man is in office.
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please.
In Tower Hamlets according to a 2012 APPG Inquiry, commissioned by the borough into Ethnic Minority, Unemployment in the borough it found 62.% of Bangladeshes women to.be economically inactive, 75.3% of Bangladeshis are living in a household receiving benefits. 67% of Somalis in Tower Hamlets to be not literature in their own language, let alone English. I am not aware of some huge unfulfilled gap in the Labour market which requires an influx of unskilled labour migrants to fill. Does.anyone.else ? this needs to stop Positive immigration of skilled, qualified, educated, entrepreneurial or independently wealthy individuals no matter where they are from is a privilege for the UK and should be encouraged.
The tired, worn out cliché of the "hard working immigrant". The same nauseating cliché is heard in Canada and US. The illegals are "very hardworking", new Canadians are "very hardworking". Then answer this...if they're so hardworking, how come they can't fix up their own countries? Instead of pouring into ours? The reality is that they don't know about employment standards and employment laws and will work overtime without proper pay. They also work for cash and don't pay taxes. And there's one thing that employers love and it's employees that don't have minds of their own and just follow orders. These politicians don't have to compete with immigrants for work or housing.
"great advantages for Britain" - Yes, I am pretty sure they haven't had the catch22 situation of sending their child to the local school. You have two choices in my area. Either your child doesn't get a placement because there are too many immigrants in the area or they DO get a placement but are held back because most of the kids don't speak English. There are some nice friendly "hard working" migrants in my area.... however there are also a huge amount of freeloading, scamming nasty pieces of work as well. A well paid politician doesn't see these people though.
Another traitor to the British people..Are you forgetting some thing Bercow, it is our Country, how dare you insult us..Obviously you are looking for a job on the panel of the EU mafia..
Problem I have with Bercow is deciding who is the worse egotistical idiot him or his wife.
A lot of them live in shared rooms,have no intention of settling permanently here,they just send the money home. So they can live on minimum wage,indigenous (is that word wacist now?) British have mortages and families to support,so can't survive on minimum pay.
This same boring line trotted out again...
The Speaker is surely bound by rules which do not allow him to make public statements like that surely? It is an offensive remark aimed at the very people he is supposed to work for. He should be sacked.
It's not because they work harder, its because they're cheap!
Hi! Bercow , on your next trip next trip to planet Ork please say "Nanu, Nanu" to Mork and Mindy from me!
Not a fair statement especially from a speaker of the BRITISH House of Commons: many Brits (including myself) are now elsewhere and we're working very very hard! Yes East Europeans can be hardworking, but so can Brits!
And the benefits are, high unemployment, prisons over loaded, NHS and schools at breaking point, high costs in translators,no tax or insurance paid due to low wages, housing, child tax and benefit costs, the only winners are the rich businesses who exploit these people
I think you mean its been a great benefit to the employers who have been able to pay minimum wage and below. 5 adults or more sharing a house rent and bills will always be able to work for less than the average Brit with is mortgage and 2 kids. Exactly how as it benefitted the country when the majority of their earnings are being sent back to their own countries along with the governments contribution of child benefits for children not even in this country and that might not even exist, and the money that is spent in this country is spent in Eastern mini marts that still ends up also going back to the home country. Then we have free schooling free health care system that is now under incredible strain with the uncontrolled influx of people, also not forgetting the bad apples that come along with the intentions of crime as they know Britain is a soft touch, and if they are unlucky to be caught will be sent to a holiday camp with free board and lodging TV and game consoles. UKIP for me
typical. a country who will not look after its OWN people. no wonder its a joke
I've never seen anyone work harder than the estate boys dealing in all sorts of substances. They're up until sunrise doing it. Now, if that's not hard work, I don't know what is!
Vote UKIP. Get rid of the lib,lab,con vermin.
Idiot!!!
Bercow has a nerve, he wouldn't know the meaning of hard work.
Spell it as you like -I prefer BERKO!!
(1) Is it or is it not true that 50% of the people arrested for squatting in London (or the UK) over the past year are Romanian? (2) I have personally seen their encampment at Marble Arch ... it was there on Monday, as I passed by to Paddington Station to catch the Heathrow Express.
What he means is that it has enabled all chums to make even more money at the expense of native Britons. Another waste of space.
In my life I have never seen so many idiots and traitors in Parliament - who votes for these people ?
Make one the Speaker then, and make Bercow redundant.
Yes, and some British MP's cannot decide whether they are Conservative or Labour MP's - can they John?
Could agree since Speaker Bercow doesn't do much and is most likely working out the next con trick for the taxpayer.
Fools like him hate British people what a shame we are paying his huge salary, he is living free plus we are paying for his nanny.
yeah yeah yeah...just like you...?
Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?? in fact what benefit are any of em...
How low will they go.
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man.
BERCOW YOU'R A PRAT! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR OFFICE. SPEAKERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN NOT TO SPEAK, SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU? SPEAKING IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY AN AFFLICTION, THE BERCOW'S HAVE NOT YET MANAGE TO MASTER. "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE MUCH NOISE" EVERYONE DOES MORE WORK THAN YOU! REGARDS ............. WASP
MP's wanted: Must speak Polish!!! Apply to the Houses of Parliament recruitment office!! Above normal wages and lots of perks, this is a non discriminatory post, white British need not required!!
So.. if "they" are harder workers than Britons... then why didn't they work hard enough to improve their own country and their own lot in life? Just curious. Anyway, I don't know why people make these sorts of excuses. Migrants want to go to other countries precisely for mainly one reason - to improve their own lives and future. Britons would be the first people to understand this, because throughout history, British people were amongst the most likely people to migrate away from Britain (which is why there are 140 million descendants of British ancestry living around the world). They left because Britain was a dump at the time, suffering in poverty, famines, wars, etc -- and they wanted better futures for their children, so they sought out "new lands." This is how most Britons ended up in USA, Australia, etc (which already had indigenous people). There's nothing wrong in affording opportunities to people IF that is what they want - "to work hard" - even if it does create conflicts.
Yes I would imagine immigrants do work harder than the average MP
immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government. BUT it does the voters. Vote UKIP and get rid of these idiots in Parliament.
Good,Now get rid of Bercow,without his lavish pension set up,and replace him with a migrant who does not need a nanny for a quarter of the price he costs the British tax payer.
What a slap in the face to hard working Britons who cannot get work because of tax avoiding East Europeans under cutting their prices and their standards of living. Send him and his annoying wife to live in Romania.
how dare he! Migrants are here because the 'benefits' they have thrown at them are fantastic when compared to their own country - also they live 10 to a room so they pay little rent - a UK resident is not prepared to live with another family in 1 room just to save money - why should we? Bercow - shut your stupid mouth you are a complete idiot and out of touch
Ironic that someone who should never open his mouth was appointed Speaker .
Another Labour idiot who opens his big mouth before engaging brain. "I am here as a friend of Romania", you should have done the British public a huge favor and stopped there.
He should be replaced by a Romanian. See how he likes it.
Maybe we should import some Eastern European politicians then!!!
I BET BERCOW DOES NOT HAVE SIXTEEN ROMANIANS LIVING NEXT DOOR CRAMMED INTO A ONE-BEDROOM FLAT KEEPING HIM AWAKE ALL NIGHT. VOTE UKIP TO END THIS EU NONSENSE.
Why was he there anyway, he is going to pitch his comments to his audience, he is hardly going to go there and say how the benefits bill, housing stock and NHS have dramatically suffered since labours policy of unregulated immigration. Maybe he has the same verbal issues his wife has.
Who would have thought it possible that this nasty nasty little man , could become worse ????
Well he does have a point.
Not very good for the poorest 10% who saw their incomes fall 12% in the last 10 years, with a raft of further cuts vicious Tory cuts to come on top of that. Meanwhile whilst the richest 10% saw their income rise 37%. Anyway with the Tories on just 24% in the latest poll perhaps we could find a migrant worker to do Bercow's job somewhat better than him and for a tenth of the money after the next election? Yes and maybe one who didn't claim the maximum additional expenses allowance until 2008/09, or flip his homes a number of time to avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of not one but two properties, and then claim just under £1,000 from the tax payer to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. You would certainly have to go a long way to find someone who worked harder than Bercow at draining the public purse, a very long way indeed.
In that case, Bercow, let one of them have YOUR job.
Hey Bercow, you idiot! First they lower wages for everyone in the same job because they'll work for less. Next, how many people do they make jobless by stealing their jobs? How can it benefit Britain when you have to pay out more in unemployment benefits? No wonder the UK is in such bad shape with this clown in the job he is!
HEY BERCOW SHUT UP but then again maybe you have a point lets have a foreign worker take over as speaker of the house he/she will proberly do a better job then you, and then you and your attention seeking wife can disappear from public site.
That from someone who's never done an honest day's work in all his life.
I agree with him.
They want the average British worker to compete with what people from the poorest parts of Europe are willing to offer. Vote UKIP.
Just liked his loud-mouthed wife, speaks out without engaging his brain cell.
He would say that. He's of Romanian descent.
The UK is governed by complete idiots!! Bet none of these "hard working" Eastern Europeans live next door to Mr Bercow!! English, yeas NOT British, expat in Vietnam and so glad I am out of there.
What a Cuckoled old fool, it's not the skilled immigrant workers people get annoyed about! it is saturation of the unskilled labour market forcing Britons onto benefits & the immigrants that come solely to abuse the benefits system!
I presume that is inclusive of himself and all the other taxpayer funded cronies
I doubt the British are angry about those immigrants who do work hard and have succeeded in Britain. The problem is that not enough of these immigrants are succeeding and integrating in British society.
Quite right too... Some people don't think for themselves; Bercow is right. All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. But then we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our fears...
Is he one of those that thinks the British taxpayer owes the rest of the world a living
This is him being impartial is it?
He's been a disgrace for a long time, look at the wife.
disgusting comments from a man who has most likely never done a hard days graft in his life..? thank god we have people like nigel farage and UKIP on our side.
Well, the Romanians are much better pickpockets, metal 'finders' and benefit gatherers. But, of course, the silly little man did not mean that in trying to curry favour. Maybe they will keep him?
UK should get out of the European Union.
Bercow talks absolute rot - Our country needs fixing but it starts with giving us our pride back, pride to build things, pride not to have to compete with cheap rubbish from China, pride in our laws, pride in our people young and old. Lets not all go down the "service industry" drain - lets get back to having a good mix - a British mix of talent and respect and a few less cheap scroungers who purport to work hard so as to get in to the UK and then free load. UKIP all the way.
the mans a fool.
Why not. They (migrants) work more hours for less pay, don't mind getting exploited by businesses and have extremely low self esteem. Which business owner wouldn't like that kinda employee.
Hmmm I wonder if he would admit that a migrant was harder working than himself? If not is he just saying the rest of us are lazy? And I would suggest that any advantages on the whole are outweighed by the disadvantages... let's see on the left (for) hand we have 'hard working' ... on the right (against) ... clogs the NHS, needs ever more housing, needs access to education in already overcrowded schools and classes, let's not forget the thousands that don't actually want a job just the nice cushty lifestyle compared to their country of origin.... Methinks the 'against's' have it? Who else agrees? Country's Full UKIP
Fine if you have all your expenses paid, live in a huge free flat right next to where you work and have money to burn - who cares if public services on this small island are creaking under the strain, as long as John's all right.
Whether they are or not is immaterial. The jobs should be available to British workers at a fair rate. If the companies don't make as much money then they can stop paying themselves ludicrous wages. At the bottom of it all is people trying to make a buck off migrant workers, I thought we'd got past the era of robber barons !
He is 100% right, many graft and are fantastic. I don't believe hard working migrants are what people have a problem with. It's the people who come here and claim benefits, people are sick of the number of lazy shirkers who are both born here or emigrate here Sort them out!!!
so the fact that 1/3 babies is born to a foreign mum..and the scourns of foreigners on benefis..in council houses..using our NHS doctors/dentists...that's ok? whether tthey work or not the amount they cost is way more than the pittance they pay in
Mr Bercow's family of course are immigrants from Romania, where they were called Bercowitz.
Then lets have migrant MP's and put you lot on the dole! Bet that would hurt you incompetent toad!
This man DESERVES to be married to daft SALLY!! Crime has NEVER been higher in Britain since the flood gates were opened to Eastern Europeans, and it is only going to get worse and more dangerous. Silly man!
Why don't we just replace our greedy lazy expense scrounging government with Romanian politicians. Berkcow is a pot calling the kettle.
How my raspberries have you picked John boy?
Agree so can we have a migrant to replace this heap of dung then he can go home and work out how he and his stupid wife can pay the compensation due for shouting her fat gob off.
Perhaps these are just the ones targeted most by police...just because the majority caught are eastern Europeans does not mean it is mostly them committing the crimes. - missrosey, london, 18/2/2012 1:03-----------Try actually reading the article this time and then inwardly digest, stupid woman! Thanks to Lieba's open borders policy, once again. It's UKIP or BNP for me, it's time this was stopped and we deport any foreign scum found guilty of crime.
Missing the old time Borders, where you coul read "UK Citizens" and "Others"
Bigots you're all bigots...Gordon of Cartoon
And what would the Aussie government do ?. Yep, that's right , send em back where they came from, never mind what the 'uman rights brigade say's. Instead of indulging in brown nosing with Sarkosy he should take a trip down under to see how it's done properly.
Any chance of extrapolating these figures to percentages so that they are proportionate to the number of people of each nationality rather than simply showing raw data?
Didnt Blair say that we could expect only 13000 Polish immigrants! Thats why the UK didnt impose a numbers limitation which some other EU countries did. My God- The work of that chap was utterly unbelievable
Immigrants who commit a crime should be shipped back from whence they came immediately.
Good to know the floodgates are open to these people!!!!
And yet they are let in
Quelle surprise!
WE KNOW! we've known for ages NO ONE IS LISTENING TO US!!!!
and thats only the ones who have been caught the uk is now a dangerous place to live
Dismantle the useless Border Agency and put something in place that works. And no fire only to hire...fresh blood only. The Police need a shake up too
If they commit a crime, then deport them and mark their passport so they can't return. This has got to stop!
It's simple, deport criminals to their country of origin. Surely it can't be too difficult to create an EU law where if someone is convicted of a crime in another country whether it be a fellow EU state or elsewhere their passport is revoked?
We would not have had these figures under a Labour government! Anything which cast doubts on the policy of mass immigration created by Tony, Gordon and pals was strictly forbidden but now the horrendous truth is coming out. Unless we leave the present EU, we are doomed I fear. Another glowing legacy of years of the terrible Labour administration. Come on Cameron, look after the interests of Britain and not the rotten parts of the EU.
I watched a few programes about the Australian Border Agency/Airports. You know why this sort of thing is more uncommon there!? Because they actually check the people coming through! This Goverment needs to learn a lesson or two from them, me thinks!
Wow...knock me over with a feather.....I would never have thought that!!!!!
And They've only just realised? Please sack these incompetents!
So who is doing the other 75%?
In which case I'm astonished nothing's being done - just like the dangerous dog situation, looks like we'll have to endure yet more carnage.
Well there's a surprise. This is the elephant in the room and something needs to be done about it. OUT OF EUROPE NOW!!
And it's also getting like that here in Cyprus. - David, Cyprus, 18/2/2012 04:13 and here in Spain too
A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’=== I am not remotely interested in how many recommendations are made for deportation. I would, however like to know what proportion of people sentenced to in excess of 12 months have ACTUALLY BEEN DEPORTED.
That is right follow Australian lead. Message to the UK GOVERNMENT PROTECT US NOW !!!!!!
And to add insult to injury, these crimes, be they petty or major, create extra work and further strain on local authorities as they can require the use of foreign language interpretors in processing them.
I live in Poland. The police here are great. Polite, respectful and proper, but they take NO nonsense. My human rights are enshrined in the Polish constitution, but the police here don't give a fig for the human rights of criminals. And you know what? Most people over here think that is as it should be. Where I live there is a minimal crime rate. Now I know why - the criminals moved to Britain. Please keep them, life here is so good while they are away.
Catch them and deport them, with no right to return to UK.
Now pease tell us something that we didn´t already know.But what is Cameron doing about securing our boarders and keep these people out, Nothing as usual because the EU won´t allow it,so why doesn´t he give us the referendum on getting out of this mess?. Another thing is that they should be deported if convicted here and banned from re entry,there are enough home grown criminals already we don´t need to import them.
Have they only just realised that? What does the "listening" government listen to? Classic FM?
"A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ If this read "is AUTOMATICALLY DEPORTED" think how much money we would save and how much prison cell space we would free up!
SEND A COPY TO OUR ANGELA IN BONN! THE JOYS OF THE EU!
careful, before you know it they'll be complaining that they are being discriminated against and the police won't touch them.
Isn't it possible to send them home to srve their sentences? I'm pretty sure prisons in most of these nations are far harsher than the glorified holiday camps that prisons have become in the uk...
Calm down, dear readers, Dave is on the case. He is preparing a speech about what he would like to do, about what he may do and what possibly, maybe, perhaps, could be achieved, as we are all in it together, about right now. Keep the faith, vote liblabcon!
Immegration can be likened to a form of tax on the rest of us and until we all see it that way the government wont change a thing and big business will keep getting cheap labour. Ultimately every employees salary is set at the lowest price an employer needs to pay. Therefore the more people out there wanting your job the less they have to pay. So the more people entering the country the less you get paid. You are just like a tin of beans.
As long as we are in the E.U there is nothing we can do about Eastern European criminal gangs and individuals they free to come here with the open border policy for Europeans.The only way to stop this is to get out of the E.U and that's by voting UKIP.Anyone who needs to more about UKIP just go to youtube and watch Nigel Farage in the Brussels everything he points out to them always turns out to be correct.
EU MIGRANTS ARE SUCH AN ASSET TO UK !!!!!, We really don't need to bring more criminals into this country, why are they only deported, if sentenced to 12 months prison, any crime they should be deported, WE NEED TO EXIT EU NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just another example of the EU experiment which has ruined the UK.There is no real answer to the problem.The damage has now been done
whether we like it or not the die has already been cast so it wont matter how loud the cries are for ending this "open door policy " on immigration, neither will it matter which political party is in power it will simply fall on deaf ears because European rules are firmly in place and our witless and treacherous leaders will do as Brussels demands without so much as a whimper or consideration for the British public
Its no surprise that we are in this state, Labour desperately wanted a flood of immigrants into the country. We only have them to blame. They had no interest in whether they were good workers, criminals or benefit cheats. As Tony Blair said "I want to water down the population of this country, its for our benefit to have a diverse population"
Thanks to unfettered immigration Britain is now an UNSAFE COUNTRY. I am planning to emigrate to Australia within the next few years where I understand the government have control of their borders and people feel safer. I am a highly skilled professional so am lucky. 5 of my highly skilled professional friends (2 doctors, 1 teacher, 1 engineer, 1 nurse) have also gone to live in Australia. In reality, Britain is trading it's highly skilled people for dangerous criminals and benefit claimants. God help poor old Britain -because the government certainly isn't.
This is the end result of 13 years of labour interfering in the running of this once proud country.... Everyone told them this would happen, did they listen ?? No of course not, nanny knows best.... Please, remember what labour and the liberals have done, don't let them back... UKIP, let's make a difference next time
I wouldnt worry too much folks,this country's finished.
Sickening statistics and its only going to get worse.we are now just a dumping ground for any countries scum and the authorities dont care.
Tell us something we don't already know!
Everyone knows what needs to be done yet not one politician has got the balls to do it.
I think most of us already know this. Until we leave the EU this will not get any better.
How much more proof does the government need to admit that its time to close the borders and lock the doors, then start to deport the ones that have comitted any sort of crime, including the ones that are supposedly under house arrest. Tax payers are fed up with paying for foreign criminals to live here.
So the EU dictates open borders but for a UK taxpaying citizen going on a package holiday, has to provide all passport information before they go on holiday. Something doesn't quite add up here.
Well it's not too surprising as they seem to account for a quarter of the population.
Please remember that if you have a Rant in public,about foreign people coming to the UK ,whether they be criminals or taking British jobs,housing, getting free health care,or living off benefits etc. You could end up in Court ...... ... especially If you are White British, you must NEVER complain or express worries in public about the future of your country.
What a hovel you've allowed this once beautiful land become.
The British taxpayer is forced to pay out a fortune in dealing with criminals flooding in from the rest of Europe, without benefit of financial assistance from the EU mandarins who say we have to take them in. If they break the law, I say we should kick them out of Britain with no second chance given to re-enter the country. That should bring down the cost of crime quite a bit, and then our police officers can once again focus most of their attention on our own home-grown insults to society.
We should have the ability to deport these offenders to their original country, EU or otherwise.
Labour, the legacy that keeps on giving.
I live in the center of Krakow, Poland and have to say things are very mellow here. There is crime as there is everywhere but I have never had any problems and neither has my wife and we are out and about quite a lot. I do think sometimes criminals are more likely to emigrate especially to places from where they can't be deported and where there is easy money.
Any immigrant sentenced to over 12 months is recommended for deportation. It should be mandatory. No arguments, no civil rigfhts court. I understand we don't have to abide to its rulings anyway. They came here they abused our hospitality so send them back. They only came here in the first place because they knew how soft our sentencing was.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that these people can't just be deported never to be let in again.
Simon, London - Australia has its problems too - believe me it is not the Utopia you imagine it to be.
:This alone is almost enough to jkustify renegotiation of the access treaty of the EC if not of quitting th e E C altogether. We need our own border controls back with a visa system for East europeans and others in themeantime all such criminals who are caught should be expelled with very severe penalties given to any who return subsequently i.e. a minimum of two years imprisonment
Time for a change. UKIP next time I think.
Just pure mathematics, if immigrants are almost a quarter of the population so will be their contribution in the rest of affairs. Unfortunately their quarter contribution is only in the crime, scooping the state benefits and all sops that this country offers. Wish they also a part of bringing more revenues, peace, prosperity and economic growth as was expected.
I hate this stupid country
It s been said by a judge that they come over here because not only are the "picking"rich but if your caught the sentence is soft and the jail cosy.
I agree with all these comments - time to no to immigration - the horror stories just keep coming!
Nothing you can do. Mps could not care less as long as they can fiddle their expenses. Deeper into the gutter everyday.
Not just London, it's the same across the uk.
This should be a wake up call to the government, putting a limit or a ban on Non-EU migrants will not help..... DO SOMETHING .......DOES THE PEOPLE IN POWER read the papers or have access to this sort of Data or they just turn a blind eye like everything else.
I think this was pretty evident to the British public. I believe that it is going to get to the point where there is no alternative but to pull out of Europe so we can actually decide ourselves who enters Britain and who leaves the Country through deportation...well here's hoping anyway!
It really does make you want to leave this country. David, grow a pair and be a Tory leader for once. Rather than the yellow bellied, sit on the fence glove puppet you are now.
Send them home to serve their sentences - save prison overcrowding immediately
Maybe this is why half of Britain is currently moving to Australia
Every single one of these criminals should be put on the next plane out of OUR country and remain persona non grata. But of course this will not happen because we are run by lily livered politicians who kowtow to everything spouted from Brussels and don't give two hoots to what the people of OUR country want and demand.
Send these criminals back to serve their sentences in their filthy rotten hard regime prisons of their own countries and pay the country to house them. This will be a fraction of the cost of having them in prison in the UK and will be more of a deterrent. Countries should be more responsible for their own people like parents shroud be responsible for the actions of their children.
I am a Daily Mail Reader and I am outraged. OUTRAGED, I say! - Mike, Beijing... Odd you sound more like one of those leftie, corduroy wearing, Guardian reading preachers, who nobody wants to listen to .
The Labour Gov. said that only about 13 thousands of Eastern European would come here and that half of them would go back in a year time... Lying to your people could also be considered as crime...
Tell us something we don't know!! What we DO want to know is when Cameron Cleggy and Co are going to do something about it!!! NO good waiting for Clarky to do anything all criminals are his mates!!!
In other words 75% of all crimes in London had nothing to do with immigrants.
This has been known about for years, in Scotland Polish nationals five years ago were responsible for approx 35 crimes, the following year that figure jumped to more than 1000. We need to enforce internal border controls in the EU or leave altogether. How much taxpayers would be saved if we didn't,t have 10,000 foreigners in our prison, less police time wasted, courts NHS etc. Cameron do something now!
Typical: hard working East Europeans coming over here to commit the crimes our own workshy population can't be bothered to commit.
There are only three - EU supporting - parties in this country. Please keep voting for them .... it's the only way - you can have lots more of this.
It was David Blunkett who said there would only be 12,000 East Europeans coming to this country every year. The fact is HE let in over 200,000 a year. When an Afghan plane landed at Stansted Airport with a load of illegals, Jack Straw said that everyone of them would be returned to Afghanistan. Not one single illegal was sent back and most of them are living off MY council tax.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - The foremost task of Government is to safeguard the interests of the people, our people. This Government and the last are failing to do so, whether it be protection from those who mean us harm, protecting our jobs, protecticting our way of life, protecting our precious democratic rights, or protecting our public services. Why do you vote for them?
This comes as absolutely no surprise. When the EU expanded to include former Soviet bloc countries, it did so for purely political reasons: no thought was given as to how this might affect the existing member nations. However in many of the newly admitted countries, organised crime had been permitted, provided it was practised abroad: criminals, other than state-sponsored ones, got very short shrift at home. As a result, criminals from those countries developed extremely well-organised gangs, largely operating in the more prosperous capitalist western European countries. Now this is coming home to roost.
If you come into this country and break the law, you should be automatically deported. It is about time the law recognised the human rights of the victims, not the criminals.
....but surely, in this PC age, high numbers of Eastern Europeans convicted of crime can only be due to racial profiling, institutional police rascim, and intolerence.
You could not make it up!!
And what will be done about it , absolutely nothing as per usual
The EU - Expensive & Useless. We are a sovereign nation. Time to regain control over who we allow to enter OUR country and who should remain here.
no other subject for this piece of toilet paper huh? i bet u;ve got no stories....nobody belives what you write anyway !
VOTE U.K.I.P TO PUT A STOP TO THIS EVIL MESS !!!
The importation of foreign criminals into Britain is good for the legal profession. Which is why lawyers fight so hard and blag the legal aid fees so heavily to prevent them from being deported. Once a criminal is sent home he ceases to become a potential source of income unless he sneaks back here. It's really not much more complicated than that.
Thanks labour Tony Blair will do anything for his country - except live in it
"Offenses" should read "offences".
If we close our borders to immigrants England will end up like the valleys in Wales. Immigration is the haemoglobin this country needs to remain great. Over 90% of all people who live in the UK are the descendants of immigrants.
Finally Greece is not topping the list.... What a credit to all Greeks who are struggling in the crisis.
Its far too late to close the borders ,blair and broon made sure of that ,but cameron has gone along with it too ! We now need a serious deterrent to bring those here into line, stiffer sentencing interpol cross checking of criminals and immediate deportation upon conviction ,Surely its my families and my human right to be protected from all and sundry, is it not? remember who to vote for at the next election as the lib labs and cons are responsible for this enrichment/utopian/multicultural failure !
We need to get out the eu !
Tip of the Iceberg: Headline should read 25% of known crimes - what about the crimes they are getting away with such as false claims for council housing when they have homes back home, benefits for non-existent children, etc. Vote UKIP - cynical, London, 18/02/2012 02:34<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< And of course, British people would NEVER do such a thing!
makes my blood boil.in my town ive seen loads of poles and eastern europeans flooding in,theres no work here now send them back,
All these foreigners, coming here, taking our jobs. It's terrible, especially when we've got our own, home-grown British criminals to commit these crimes. Whatever happened to the good old British pick-pocket? It's the death of an institution. Oh the irony of some of these comments coming from Brits living abroad!
All the time lib/lab/con-trick voters who vote for parties that will not take us out of the E.U had better enjoy the results of being in the E.U. so don't moan about the criminals of Europe being here, after all you vote for the parties that keep us in this E.U enslavement.
Here's another OFFENCE ... Spelling OFFENCE IN A FOREIGN MANNER.
This will rise when the other countries join,you only have to look at the court list to tell you that foriegners are outlisting English.Lets face it we are so soft on offenders its no wonder they come here to offend as our prision are better than our old peoples homes
Close the doors now , but it may it be too late !
it's the same right across the uk - not just the capital
I have often wondered why immigrants flock to the UK . . it certainly cannot be for our climate. . Maybe the free handouts and soft judiciary have something to do with it.
notice that it says "accused of crime" not "found guilty of crime."
All the time lib/lab/con-trick voters who vote for parties that will not take us out of the E.U had better enjoy the results of being in the E.U. so don't moan about the criminals of Europe being here, after all you vote for the parties that keep us in this E.U enslavement.
Offences is the correct English spelling. Offenses is the American spelling.
The EU's greatest export to the UK is criminals. Not the best people travel these days.We need greater resolve to repel borders!
It can't be true, according to most Brits the poles are hard working and decent people compared to our own.
We used to go to London for days out etc.Not anymore it is very costly you do not feel safe and you cannot park and the trains are unreliable.I feel sorry for anybody going to the olympics they will get seriously ripped off.Every body knows bt the immigration problems but nobody does anything?
And Tony Blair still insists he was a fantastic PM! New Labour has ruined this country by opening the doors to all and sundry! Where do I apply for a visa to emigrate to Australia? - Simon, London, England., 18/2/2012 8:41.-----------------immii.gov.au. but do a free assesment test online for free to check your eligible. I am working in a loving town in the Pilbara in WA.
Figures will obviously show foreigners are the biggest criminals...... there are so few British people living in London.
Not only London - EVERYWHERE!
What a very politically embarrasing country I live in.
Thanks Toni blair you let them in.
How can European binding legislation,that permits economic migration of CRIMINALS be in any sense justified or sensible ? HOW CAN IT BE ? It's time for us to remove ourselves from this bureaucratic mess !!
No Way DM!!! A Quarter?!?! God, and who is reaponsible for the rest 75%?!?!
Well, we've been told ad nauseum how industrious the eastern europeans are compered to the english, why the surprise that their criminals should be any different.
They shoulddn't have been allowed in in the first place. Period.
Yawn!! We know,weve known for years. Its Dave and his mates that need telling not us. The reason they do it here is that our judges are asses and even if they get send down its like a holiday camp when you grew up in poverty in Lithuania. Start sending them home to serve their sentences and theyll not be so keen.
How bad has it got to get before somebody with some b**** does something
On the flip side, that means 75% of crime was made by the british public. And no, I am white british!
As fellow Europeans, these people have a Human Right to commit crime wherever they wish and there's naff-all we can do about it. Wasn't the EU a great idea? See - I told you so.
Well... ... ... uh, ... Thanks! Oh, the benefits of the EU! (that's what THEY are saying).
Can you state the nationalities of the other 75% of Offenders or are you Only interested Printing shock horror crime statistics of 25% of East Europeans calling it a "Crime Wave".
Yet Cameron & Co are absolutely convinced "we are better off in the EU"!!!!!! But then they have tax funded 24/7 protection...
We should say a huge thankyou to Blair and his government for making our country such a safe place in which to live !!!
Can't comment for fear of being accused as a racist. . .
I remember the good old days, the sixties. I arrived in Dover off of a ferry from France (not Heathrow) with an American passport and was quizzed for half an hour by immigration officials before finally being allowed to remain for six months. I was actually on a break from studies at Glasgow University and returned to teach in a technical college. I now leave Britain on my American passport and return on my British passport thereby adding to the total of foriegners leaving and Brits returning.
According to our rulers we need the foriegn workforce.
Well... ... ... uh, ... Thanks! Oh, the benefits of the EU! (that's what THEY are saying).
We were told we would benefit from joining the eu, yeah right.
Any crime is unacceptable, however to think that some of the recent horrific events could have been prevented if thorough checks on foreigners were carried out, just makes a mockery of the whole system and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
Yet we still keep letting them in.
And that's just London...
What is sick about all this is that the bad people cannot be deported due to the silly Human Rights Law. It is a pity that British Law is weak and useless, just like its Politicians.
Welcome to the UK, the garbage bin of Europe.
A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ I believe this rule should also apply to any foreign national found begging on our streets.
Unfortunately something most of us know..
Leave the EU and send em packing!!
Considering that one in three people living in London are born overseas, that would mean that they're less likely to commit crime than somebody born here.
Labour have rubbed all our noses in multiculturism. Naturally the criminal class and those who spend their lives suckling at the benefits teat will still be keen to vote Labour, while the rest of us pay for it.
If they break the law send them back, why should they stay in the country.
Get rid!
No surprise! Even in Cyprus which used to be near crime free has the same problem. One used to be able to go out and not lock up and leave the car unlocked while shopping. NOT ANYMORE! It's time the EU woke up to the problem - no chance. Denmark tried to tighten up and were heavily critised. A CRIMINALS CHARTER.
This is only the start . In another 20 years this country will be absolutely and truly decimated beyond words. Day by day . Week by week. Month after month and year after year it has gone steadily worse. The only good side I can see is that other countries can take a serious note of what has happened to a once nice Island ,and not let the socialists and liberals have a free reign. I find it so sad that that is the only upside.
Suprised? Sadly not. Welcome to modern britain
Working in insurance fraud this is also reflective. Soft touch Britain again.
Surprise, surprise. Just wait till the Russian and Ukrainian mafia flex their muscles here. And if "Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.", then the judges must give 12 months minimum sentence for any crime and recommend deportation even if it is against EU laws.
The EU has not been good for this country it's about time we opted out! Get these people out of the country.. What is the matter with our week willed government? When are they actually going to do their job properly?
Before anyone starts to moan about the high foreigner crime rates think about this: your mass-media back in 1980-ies and long before that shed tears over poor Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian etc. people oppressed by the Soviet Union behind the Iron Curtain. Now you should feel happy: they are free (to travel among other things), free to contribute to collapse of the European Union and therefore your economic conditions. Moreover, soon some freed people of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Syria etc. are going to join the perks of the free world if they have not done that already. Relax and enjoy the fruits of decision-making of your politicians. Or start to build some kind of wall around Western Europe.
This will get worse until we leave the damnable EU dictatorship which has given free legal access into UK to all from poor EU countries, including their dangerous criminal dregs and scum, and we are not even allowed to return them. Vote UKIP to stop this. Otherwise, stop complaining, because non of the three main political parties will do a thing about it, not even the Conservatives whilst they have somebody like Cameron as leader.
Why are we surprised,this country called Great Britain doesnt belong to us Britons anymore.It is owned by the EU..by the ECHR...and by any foreign chancer that ends up on our shores either legally or illegally.Usually the latter.I despair,I really do.
It makes me proud to be British that we happily let just anyone into the country to rob, rape and murder us and our loved ones. The fact that so many of the liberal left (lawyers, civil servants etc) who arranged it all make such a good living out of it is a bonus. The fact that most of these immigrants get a passport and then vote Labour is even the icing on the cake.
That is probably because 25% of those in London ARE foreigners ? No surprise really.
Anyone can see that this is simply unacceptable and it's another aspect of the European utopian dream which is proving to be extremely detrimental to our nation. Unless this is resolved it will be another very good argument for withdrawing from the unholy mess and going it alone. At least then we might regain control of who stays here.
No outrage about 150,000 British criminals then?..................
Our government lets these lowlifes come here so we can hardly complain CAN WE?
We need multi-racialism even in crime it appears. And anyone who objects will be branded a bigot by old and new Labour.
UK Border Agency policy should not be 'automatically recommended for deportationÂ’ but 'will be deported'. In plain English - boot the b++++++ out back to where they came from.
Yet further evidence to support our exit from the EU. We need to regain control of our borders. Any foreign national convicted here should be repatriated to serve their sentence. We save the cost of incarceration and get rid of the source of the trouble at the same time. Simple.
I thought as much. If we had closed Borders our prisons would be half empty
Outsource the prison service to a foreign country who needs the income for overseas offenders. Must be few in Africa who need the cash. Let them serve their sentence under the conditions of that country. You will soon see the offending rates go down. I am there are a few evil Brits in jail who could join them too.
And why is EU membership a good thing?
Easy welfars, soft justice system and cushy prisons, with next to no chance of them being deported when they are caught! Our only option is to leave the EU.
Mr Blair certainly has a lot to answer for when He decided to open the gates to Britain to all and sundry!!!
The Home Secretary, the Immigration Minister and the PM have all got their wires crossed by targeting NON EU nationals entering the UK when the problems are really with the EU nationals in the UK who are allowed unrestricted access. The Coalition Govt has a flawed immigration policy that is unnecessarily discriminatory and racist and this Coalition Govt is failing to employ the UKBA to protect the British borders and British people!
Can someone remind me why the EU is a good thing? What does the UK get from Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Greece etc.. etc?
My beautiful England is being turned into a sewer but hey just as long as the Government keeps the CBI happy with cheap workers who cares if our streets aren't safe to walk anymore after all multiculturalism good for us they tell us.....YES RIGHT.
EU laws are the problem here. Indeed, EU membership is the biggest problem at the root of this. But, don't you know, these scumbags have their "rights" whereas we seemingly have none.
So three out of four crimes are committed by Brits
Round em up send em back. Please grow some balls Britain...these stories are starting to bore me.
Why do they come to London in the first place? Big unregulated benefit system, loads of tax-free work below HMRC's radar, a sad justice system to take advantage of, and lots of legal backing from the Euro-zone via the Human Rights Act. Let's face it - the big boys in the EU don't want these people either, so they use this stupid law to dump 'em on us. AND WE LIE BACK AND ACCEPT IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE. THEY ALL WANT TO BE KINNOCKS.
I did told you this over 10 years ago, but no one listened to me ! MUCH THANKS TO THE EU AND THE LABOUR PARTY FOR OPEN THE BORDER. Now take you report to Tony Blair and his party ! and make them pay. becouse they are responsible !
This proves that Britain should get out of that organisation known as the European Union ASAP!
Time to make all those who pass through our borders be checked, I know it will be a hard job, but if it saves one UK citizen from being murdered, raped or bashed then it is worth it. Why can't the governemnt see this EU thing is NOT working?
Our courts are failing the ordinary law abiding people.Too many gangs allowed to take over areas in the UK. We may have an 'open door policy' but don't you still need to get your passport checked - therefore computer input? Any foreign national jailed over the age of 18, should be given immediate deportation not recommended for deportation .Its time we had back up from the EU on this matter. Too many HR activists in positons to sway the legistlion.
What a surprise for Joe Public...Not. OK then Cameron DO SOMETHING>>>CLOSE OUR "BORDERS" NOW!!!!!!!
Enough is enough, isnt it time the government sorts out this mess. Instead of letting everyone into the country, pull up the damn drawbridge and only let in desirable people. The low skilled jobs can be done by the feckless unemployed louts if we cut their benefits so there is no need for cheap immigration anymore. And deport anyone who is convicted of criminal offences because it is my human right not to get burgled\robbed\stolen from by immigrants.
can anybody be surprised? we are known for one reason or another as the softest touch in the world
If there are 11,000 foreign nationals behind bars in England and Wales along with 77,000 British nationals- that would mean that one in eight or 12.5% of the prison population is of foreign birth. Since about 12% of the population is foreign-born anyway, that's about the number one would expect if the rate of criminality was exactly the same for British and non-British people. In London the foreign-born population rises to 33%, so if they're responsible for 24% of crimes in the capital, then the figures tend to suggest there's actually a lower rate of criminality than amongst British people whose 67% of the population of London is responsible for 76% of the crime.
With 43% of London's population being foreigners, and only 24% of crimes being committed by foreigners, this article proves that British locals do twice as much crime as foreigners.
A new generation of Labour voters as allowed in under Blair/Brown. Good job they can vote in prisons it will give the labour party a chance to get back in. Don't suppose we could repeal the human rights act and boot these people out of the country?
This article makes me soooo angry.
1/4 of all offences. Add another 1/4 (at least) of the total spend in the U.K. to look after all the 'new faces'. Add another 1/4 of all the jobs in the U.K. gone to the 'new people' and we must be getting close to why Britain is in such a mess...
I am a Daily Mail Reader and I am outraged. OUTRAGED, I say!
DM, considering you yourself reported some time ago that one in three people in London were born abroad but you now claim that foreigners commit only one in four crimes, it would appear that immigrants are on the whole better at living within the law than the Brits living in London...
And it's also getting like that here in Cyprus.
And your pathetic Government will do absolutely nothing about it as it is their human rights to rob, rape, assault and murder you all. In any right minded country you would immediately be deported and banned from returning but not the UK.
THE REVEAL, was known to every British person a long time ago.....but nothing will be done, we are losing out in our own country, I feel like a 2nd class citizen.OUT OF EUROPE...
THE REVEAL, was known to every British person a long time ago.....but nothing will be done
Its well known that when Romania was permitted entry to the EU,the Govt there simply pushed their nastiest criminals out of the country and over the border and most ended up here.Whats worse is that most of these arrested in the UK pretend they cant speak English,that means an Interpreter is needed for every interview and Court appearance-that aint cheap,cough up Taxpayer.No wonder we are skint.
Facepalm! The week you opened to boarders to all, I could of told you that...but who cares right? as long as we are all throwing flowers in the air and singing in harmony "Equality, multiculturalism, our country free for everyone, no checks needed" then this doesn't exist right? Shall we all just skip along with a big grin on our face and ignore everything just incase we get branded a racist for speaking truths.
Surprise Surprise
Open borders allow criminals into the country. Why is anyone surprised? There is no point in trying to deport them as they will just come back. The UK is truly screwed.
As soon as they commit the crime, they should be booted straight out on the next flight. Sick of seeing our porous borders allowing foreign criminals with records as long as your arm from their vown country coming into the U.K, to commit crimes here. Most ordinary citizens with common sense can see that they come here for the sole purpose of getting on the benefits gravy train whilst continuing their lifestyle of theft on our streets against our citizens. Idle lazy thieves shouldn't be allowed to get past our borders without background checks. If they can't supply that proof then they can't come in.
Shut the gates now!! Lets grow some balls and do it like the Australians!!
UNBELIEVABLE !!!! and the government didnt see this coming.....
A march on London is required as this country has committed suicide without our say . All this whilst governmentt employees set up themselves as a private businness to rip us off even more WHAT A DISGRACE Carl
When is this insanity going to end??!?
this situation is paid for with your money.if the 3rd rate people in power had to fund this and all the other half witted things they dream up with the money they scam from taxpayers,i think they call it wages,this and all the other crap we put up with would stop.
DM, help to change the laws so we can send the thieving parasites back to the their homelands, and let them try it there.
I'm not surprised, we've allowed them to walk right in and take over just about everything - crime included Crims should be deported as soon as they are convicted, but we are a sad, weak and pathetic country they are happy to take the mickey out of, safe in the knowledge that we treat all overseas visitors much better than the British that actually live here and pay taxes.
"Overall, foreigners are accused of one in four of all crimes committed in London" Ummmm? That would be reported crimes...and to be quite honest, with recent rulings, I'm no longer sure exactly what constitutes a "crime" anymore.
And it's taken them this long to discover? Hmmmm.....
Polish criminals thought British prisons were like being in ‘a spa’, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This, coupled with ridiculously lenient sentences, is the reason crime is rampant in the UK. Foreign criminals are queuing up to get into the UK it's paradise on earth for them. Local Crims do not fear prison, they quite enjoy it. Get real DC and force judges to give realistic sentences and the prison services to cut out all privileges and perks, retaining only the most basic requirements to keep the inmates alive.
when you come to a country where law and order fail to exist what do you expect.
The only people this is a surprise to are those in the Government and the liberal numpties that want to keep our borders open to hundreds of thousands of unchecked immigrants every year! I hope the suffering of the victims of these crimes doesn't weight too heavily on their minds. Oh no, of course it won't, because they don't actually care about the people of this country. They only care about their indoctrinated politics and ideology.
...only a quarter? I wonder if Eastern Europeans are as criminally active in their homelands or is their appalling disrespect for the law reserved for the UK? And, if the latter is the case, I feel its probably because they are unlikely to get caught and if they do our criminal system is a complete joke? There needs to be strong deterrents put in place to stop this blight on our economy and tax payers. When these people are caught and successfully prosecuted they should be deported straight away along with their immediate family. And any prison sentences should be served in their homeland. These people should be automatically barred from re entering the UK ever again.
according to the european court of human rights its their human rights to murder, rape, steal and all that jazz.
Anyone honestly surprised?
No surprises there then. I work in the construction industry. You daren't leave anything in lockers or changing rooms any more. The theft rate has rocketed. Lockers broken into and wallets, phones, keys etc stolen. They hang around in pairs, one as lookout and then go through bags or break in to lockers. They have even stolen laces from safety boots instead of buying spares! I'm not saying theft never happened before the influx of workers from other parts of Europe, but it was rare, very rare. Peoples belongings were respected. On one job (a prison!), every break time engineers instruments had to be taken back to the office as in one month three were stolen, at about £1,000+ each. Some can cost £20,000+. Nothing unusual to have hand tools etc go missing on a daily basis. Still, why should we be surprised, they've been stealing our jobs for ages. It's not uncommon in the building industry for the majority of workers on a site to be Eastern European.
Basically put, the EU wont allow us to sent criminals back, so in itself, turning the UK into a holding place for all criminals that the EU wants off the mainland. The EU were lucky, because first, they have Blair who would sell his soul for power and greed, now followed by a spinless Cameron who just blame the previous gov for everything instead of doing something to get us out.
For the sake of our children and grandchildren these offenders MUST be sent back to their own country to serve their sentence. They should also be banned from leaving their country again.That is what SHOULD happen to EVERY person who commits a crime no matter where they come from in the World. Please can we have some BASIC COMMONSENSE in place when dealing with our Border Controls?
It great being in the E.U aint it?,well aint it?
Does the UK border control da any checks these days or is it just a case of wave them through? What will happen when the olympics are on?
Tip of the Iceberg: Headline should read 25% of known crimes - what about the crimes they are getting away with such as false claims for council housing when they have homes back home, benefits for non-existent children, etc. Vote UKIP
Vote in scum lying politicians,and they will bring you the world. When will the British public ever get the message?.
I'm amazed,would never have thought that!
‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ But won't be because of their human rights to commit more crime against the British public.
Yes, that the price Britain pays for joining the EU. Close your border!!!
Congratulations, comrade Blair. Far be it from me - and innumerable other like- minded British citizens - to say 'I told you so'. Because this won't bring back Guiseppe and Caterina Massaro, will it?
Multiculturalism?? No thanks...people bring their 3rd world ways with them. How many more British people living decent in their own country will become the victims of foreign criminals?
So why are we still allowing them to come here, as they are of no benefit to this country whatsoever? Answer, we have a government , who could not care less about our country or our people!
The solution is good governance. Something the UK has not had in beeping years.
And yet nothing will be done.
Close the borders!
Roll Up. Roll Up !! for the luverly Olympics,in Olde London Town
Who is this news to? I read the DM every day so we are well aware!
Oh how I love being part of Europe
Why are there so many shady characters of East European heritage begging, busking, gambling, conning tourists on Westminster Bridge, right under the noses of our government? Why is it that immigrants who commit a crime get to stay here? Why is it that there are parts of the capital that you don't feel safe in? If immigrants can't follow the rules of their host country, kick them out and don't let them back in.
This country is done, finished, we have taken all we can from this foreign invasion. PLEASE Cameron, do something about it NOW!!!! I don't want to hear the inevitable screams from the liberal, equality, multiculturalist lobby about not tarring them all with the same brush. I want a return to the traditional British values that we, me among 'em, have fought so hard to preserve. Socialism/Liberalism, has destroyed all that this once great and proud nation has achieved. we are now the dustbin to the world.
How good Hungary is not on the list, I would feel so ashamed ....
I didn't realise that we had a skills shortage amongst the criminal fraternity and had been forced to bring them in to the country with plumbers and the like.
WELL< automaticaly recomended for deportation eh? How come they never go ? As a Tax payer I am fed up of this government using my hard earned cash to keep these criminals, lets do as other countries do, GET RID< and send em back, blow the EU, lets start doing whats right for us, what is Merkel gonna do sue us. Do we Care.
Wave implies something smooth and gentle. Tsunami is the word your looking for.
Don't tell us, we know all about it! Tell our spineless lily-livered government.
What a surprise !! They know they can come here and get away with it. After that horrific murder the other day we should really question what our Border agencies are actually doing to stop the criminal elements getting in. They certainly should be deported along with their families if they are caught!
On the bright side it's a heck of a lot safer in Eastern Europe nowadays.
The politicians of this country disgust me.
Commit a crime = automatically deported. Isn't that a simple solution? Am I mising something? Crime in China is very low, it is the safest place I have ever lived - it might have something to do with Chinese prisons being hell holes.
They should be made to serve their sentences in their own country and the British Taxpayer should not have to foot the bill for the scum that are just being allowed to walk in with no criminal checks at all. The EU open door policy on immigration must end now!
So what will Mr Cameron do about this?.........nothing as usual.
And crime in those countries must be going down. They are exporting the criminals here. I blame Gordy and labour for signing up to free eu movement when France and Germany did so in stages. Labour are full of idiots!!
And what will the government do about it? ...... Nothing
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest!
I'm on the opinion that ANY foreign national that commits ANY kind of crime SHOULD BE DEPORTED, no explanation given to any humans rights court.
These statistics are on the shoulders of our politicians. They sowed the wind (multicultrism) and now "we" reap the whirlwind.
Dear comments reader, if you live next door to a politician would please tell him / her about this sad state of affairs next time you see them, thankyou.
Perhaps these are just the ones targeted most by police...just because the majority caught are eastern Europeans does not mean it is mostly them committing the crimes.
We deserve all we get because we let the big mouth, bleeding hearted, PC tree huggers rule the roost by smearing us as racist if we so much as look at a foreigner the wrong way! Tony Blair and the witch and their awful brood live in a huge house with many acres and afforded the luxury of a bodyguard and money to protect their houses and properties.What about us? He and the MP's like him (most who have never done a hard days graft in their lives) have ruined this country by trying a multicultural experiment that no one wanted or were asked if they wanted, branded "racist" if they disagreed Well until we have the balls to stand up to these people and vote them out, we will continue and deserve to get all riff raff from all over the world coming to our once Great country. We'll take the blame when London or some other inner city goes up in flames again, because the loony left "thinktank" will blame the natives and the MP's will agree and award themselves a pay rise and more holidays.
The only reason we have all the criminals from the EU and elsewhere in the world here is. They know they will get a LIGHT sentence when they are caught....There's no deterent.... With TV..... Prison Officers having to call them Sir.....The only way to combat this is,to send them back to their OWN country to serve their time. About time we stood up to this Government and the EU,and demanded this to be brought into the LAW.
We actually can't lay the blame on the EU. The blame can solely be laid on our own government for insisting we stay in the EU. If the EU are bringing this country to it's knees socially, which it is, then the only solution is to remove ourselves. The majority of us have totally lost faith in the Government. We are kidding ourselves that we in this country are a democracy. The only democracy we have is which liars and traitors to their own we vote in each time. England as a democracy is a farce.
If any foreigners are prosecuted for crime in this country they must be deported; no humane rights, just go back to where you came from.
Surprise surprise, we allow the "gypsies, tramps and thieves" from the eastern bloc into our country, willy nilly, what else do you expect. HEAVEN HELP US.
Simple solution. Any foreigners convicted of an offence punishable with more than 12 months prison has his right to residency in Great Britain rescinded for at least 5 years, send them home. I'd like to see the ECHR categorically state that Britain has a DUTY to accept all the thieving toerag drug addicts from across Europe.....
How good to watch that we Hungarians are not on your list of shame.
London is only the tip of the iceberg - Dear DM, do a freedom of information request re european offenders throughout every police force in the country and see what comes back........ the real story is horrifying.
Please not again, let us out of EU once and for all, Dave and the lot give us our referendum already. When this mockery of EU will end.
Offences ...
our beautiful county has been destroyed and ruined. by the EU, and we are powerless too do anything about it... coming too a town near you soon be ware
And Tony Blair still insists he was a fantastic PM! New Labour has ruined this country by opening the doors to all and sundry! Where do I apply for a visa to emigrate to Australia?
Says something doesn't it that these were the countries under the boot of the USSR for so many years when it must have been a dog eat dog existence. These people were allowed to come here to assist in fostering state sanctioned cheap labour. Not so cheap when you look at some of these statistics. If they're realistic!
Thank you Labour for letting these criminals into our country
Sack this idiot!!
ALL OF THOSE THAT AGREE WITH BERCO AND THERE ARE NOT MANY MUST BE STRANGERS TO WORK AND SHOP FLOOR WORK PLACES TO AGREE WITH SUCH A STUPID IDIOT GET YOUR SELVES A JOB .
Yep I think he should go back to his roots and go and live in Roumania
would be very satisfying to have a one-to-one conversation with this so-called man.
A stupid little man,without an ounce of integrity
No coincidence that his grandparents on the paternal side were Roumanian ?
If they do work harder it is only for the one week they have to work to get an NI Number so they can rob the benefit system
Order!!! Order!!! silence for the member for Poland to speak.
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Isn't it time that this imbeciles local constituency party deselected him before the next general election?
Apart from such a statement being quite possibly illegal these days it is also patently untrue - but then Berk Off is no stranger to that, of course........ Several surveys in recent years have shown that Britons - probably through fear of job losses during a recession - are working the LONGEST hours of anyone in Europe.
my god what a nerve this irritating little prat has got he would not know what a good days work was if it jumped up and bit him
Treason just go's on on on
He made and excellent choice choosing a dimbo wife!
TRAITOR
What does Bercow know about HARD work.--- He has not doen a DAYS hard work ever since he was born
John Bercow, What he saying is, He likes slave labour and just loves low wage's, I have read about a woman with the same name, That has a big month like him, Who was she, I wonder !!!!. You Bercow and people like you, made the Brits lazy, By giving them benefits after benefits just to get votes, Do your job Bercow or give it up, Tax payers are sick of paying wages to no hopers like you.
He and his wife are not good ambassadors for this country and he should not hold his position in the Houses of Parliament when he makes such inane comments...Stupid man,Mr Speakerneeds to be silenced.
Why doesn't he and his wife move to Bucharest.
He, like other MP's have spent too much time in their ivory tower, plus his head is not on his shoulders in at his rear end, but he is not alone there either. It looks like both he and his mrs are loose cannons, they dont think befor ethey speak, so if you have nothing to say then shut up. When you have to work in a proper job he will learn his lesson, but with their "jobs for the boys policy" we should not hold our breath.
I do think he and his mrs are a train wreck....but go to Lincoln ask the nerdowells tha walk around town in their hoodies on benefits ak them to pick veg all day on minimum wage answer would jog on I've got my benefits... Broken Britain in the same wreck as when Bercy met Sally......over to you Nigel.....
order order, thats his days work silly wee man
Then replace him and the rest of that lazy lot in your parliament with them, it would be cheaper, and get more work done
What does this buffoon know?
Correcto! Absolutemente! -- Russel Brand house keeper in LA:-)
Presumptuous arrogance......no change there then.
Bercow's not qualified to pontificate on the concept of hard work which can be defined in numerous ways. Probably considers himself a "thought worker", but his political contribution or indeed a modicum of above average intelligence, has not been evident.
Is this guy some kind of comedian?
Voting UKIP will not help the UK but will help the privileged elite and make the bankers and city traders ecstatic with joy over deregulation, less accountability and much less taxation. UKIP will also massively increase funding for wars in the Middle East that is for wars the British people do not want. UKIP will form a coalition with the current Conservative Party and will mean five more years of this government's official conservative party cabinet politicians running the country. Don't vote UKIP.
He knows a lot about work!!!!
All I can add is both him and his wife are well matched.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says! - Joe, Guelph, 5/6/2013 15:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't insult Hobbits! They at least, are nice!
Pity we can't import a whole new government. The one we've got doesn't work!
How would this loud mouth know.
How would this jumped up idiot know what a days work means he has never done one!!!!!!!!
<< Nigel Farage said Bercow was 'a disgrace to the office of Speaker' >>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Nigel and spot-on as usual.
I am a British Expat and self made millionaire and resent the comment made about British workers, I have worked hard ALL my life and am proud of what I have got out of it. Do not tar us all with the same brush Mr Bercow. Most MP's do not have a clue these days, they do not represent the people only try to make a name for themselves, Its the same world over.
Not a man of conviction then is he? After all, he starts as a Conservative MP then marries a Labour activist and suddenly has his wife's way of thinking. He should not be in the job.
Haha if you have seen the program 'Skint' you will believe what he says to be true.
What does Burk-Cow Know, has he ever worked? And no, I don't count politics. Has he ever actually done a real days work with real people? Patronising B******d, he is not worthy to represent a single British Citizen, let alone being in such a responsible position as Speaker of the House!
They rarely pay any tax, but claim all the benefits they can get their hands on. Undercut the British worker who pays his taxes. Bercow you are an idiot. Vote UKIP and save us all from this disaster of a multi cultured society that no one has voted for.
Anyone who is willing to work for next to nothing will never be short of a job!
I'm sick & tired of this anti-English worker rhetoric from people who only sit in parliament for around 150 days in a year & get £65,500 , expenses & a limo paid for by the state for their 'trouble'. Of course that's not nearly enough for them, they think they're worth £100, 000 !!!
And as they head out to work each morning, he and his gobby wife can wave to then from their expensively furnished grace and favour apartment
No mention of his hard working tweeting wife?
That's exactly what migration should be stopped, because they're so poor that they'll work themselves to death, which leads to wages and worker rights - the wages and worker rights the country fought for for hundreds of years - being driven down. Having a race to the bottom is only good for employers.
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Yet another politician who treats the electorate with disdain..............tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
what a berk-cow
what a disgusting (and stupid) little man he is, showing such contempt for the people he is supposed to protect, sack him now
Well Bercow Insulting us will mean more voters will leave the Tories now.
Even people on benefits work harder than MP's
It's not inherent for English people to be lazy, England and its people was once a country to be proud of. I wonder how many English people are proud to be English. Could the politicians be partly responsible for this.
And how would he know?
Your comments:Maybe he can be replaced by a European worker on minimium wage and Cameron to
and just how exactly would Bercow know this?!?!?
You speak for yourself Mr Speaker.
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They get the jobs because they work for less than half the going rate, live ten to a room and in addition either steal or draw benefits or both at the same.
How the people of Buckingham can vote for this overbearing, jumped up little pipsqueak I don't know. He is an embarrassment to the nation...and his wife?...well..the mind boggles. If this is really the best we can do, as the first commoners in the land, then God help us all.
Revolution now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP for the sake of the entire country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is an over paid, under talented little berk that we would all be much better off without!
Bercow is a Berk and his wife is a cow.
Who does he think he is, him and Sally. Thought he's meant to keep his thoughts to himself otherwise what are we paying him for not to mention his wish to increase his wages by £20k. British people have had enough of British injustice, lack of morals and selfishness within its own government to preach to us how hard we work. Sort the country out first, that includes the NHS, we were fine 20 years ago so you tell me
This man shouldn't even be allowed to come out with sheissen like this along with the other highway robbers in the current Government I suggest he takes his comments and his wife and goes to live in whatever other Country would have him. These people are the absolute limit the sooner UKIP get in and these freeloaders get out the better.
How would he know, he probably never had a proper job.
The problem is: they work in UK but dont spend in UK! They work few years & take the cash back to home countries where buying a house (or mansion) is VERY CHEAP. So, after 10 years work in UK, they are comparitively "super rich/upper class" back in original countries (eg East Europe, Philipines, or other place) . Whereas British people need to earn a wage which can buy a house & future in expensive UK!!!
what stupid logic from mr bercow! how could this possibly benefit Britain? this just puts more Britons on the dole , with no hope of employment, while the bosses have cheap labour. this politician , like so many, has given up on his countrymen and betrayed the working classes. he should be fighting for better wages and conditions for british workers, like his party was created for , not betraying them.
And Mr Bercow expects those he admonishes to vote for him and his party?...think not matey
Can't they be good for their own countries. We'll cope.
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Time this ignorant dwarf was put to the lions. Just how is he able to carry on in this medieval role without anyone able to chastise him or him to be sacked?
Why insult the people who are paying you salary? And expenses of course
SO ALL THOSE RECEIVEING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF BENEFITS AND LIVING IN THE LAP OF THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES ALL ON THE TAX PAYER AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN CLAIMING BENEFITS AND HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB ARE GOOD FOR US ARE THEY? BLOCKING UP SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND HOUSING LISTS? THAT IS GOOD FOR US IS IT? TREVOR MCDONALD SHOWED A POLISH WOMAN WORKING PART TIME AS A CLEANER WITH A COUNCIL FLAT AND TWO CHILDREN IS VALUE FOR MONEY IS IT MR BURKE!
And I wonder what Belcows work ethic is like. Vote UKIP and get rid of these parasites.
You just have to take one look at the current Government to know that he speaks the truth - at least in the circles he operates in.....
No body worker harder at fiddling his expenses than Bercow!!
And nobody can work harder at funneling tax cash into their own accounts better than parasite politicians.
We should put them in Parliament then should'nt we?
Why on earth would un-educated people choose to work in menial un-skilled jobs, when they can make a good living on state welfare, living in a free house, and spending their life in the pub and on the sofa?
Shove off Bercow you backstabbing worm.
Weird little runt bercow, isn't he? I know a lot of Polish people with enviable work ethics, but I don't think he was visiting Poland was he? He loves his political correctness, bercow, and he is not fit to be speaker.
Not nearly as hard working as Mrs Bercow's twitter account or her lawyers
employers don't give work to the british first because they would have to pay more
what an odious little toad Mr, Bercow is, he and his wife deserve one another , but we the British electorate deserve neither of the two.I suppose he considers his speakers job as hard work ,sitting on his a--e all day, he wouldn't know what a real hard days work is.
The Speaker of the House of Commons used to be a position filled by people one could admire, such as George Thomas and Betty Boothroyd. How did this person get appointed? I will never understand why he was given the job.
They could probably do a better and cheaper job than this goon.
What a absolute idiot this man is, he should shut his big mouth and try to keep his wife under control before making stupid statements like this... idiot
What would this idiot know? Do they all live around him, is that where he gets his evidence or does his dippy wife tell him what to say.
I got to ask you dm , whats that red line at the left hand side of my comment ?. am I getting to many things right .
Idiot ! It's just one thing after another with these two, if it isn't his wife saying things that she shouldn't then you can rely on the Speaker of the House of Commons to put his foot in his mouth, and to continue to try to utter inanities around it.
In that case Mr Bercow-we can stop all benefits given to them and they canpay for their health treatment etc. Then we British can have our taxes lowered can not be so down trodden!!
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man. - Voice of sanity, Wolverhampton, NaN/NaN/NaN NaN:NaN dont worry, mate. it will soon happen when we become part of the impending federal europe.
thats hillarious as my first week at a perfume packing place i was told by the supervisor that i alone had done twice as much work in one day than eight polish workers had done all week .
This man is a total disgrace to his position. Engage brain before opening mouth comes to mind he and his wife have a lot in common
His name is John? I always thought he was a Richard!!! *innocent face*
What he means in reality they like cheap nanny's and other domestics for the "Elite" which he is deluded he is, I have a funny feeling he is going to come to a sticky end
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much. - D Page , Ronda, Spain, 05/6/2013 15:53 DM complained & took of my comment for calling him a Berk! Pathetic newspaper.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
this clown has no idea no sense no integrity what a complete t t totaly unfit for his post or any thing else
Delman, 666 London. Yup, baseball or rounders as you call it is a girly game. It's so easy to dive into say first or second base to avoid the tag, what's a few bloody scrapes along the gravel. Now go from third base to home to score the run. No problem, you've only that 250 lb catcher in the way. If you collide, think train wreck or brick wall, if you can think. And don't get hit by the ball. because if you do the urge to scream expletives will be overwhelming. The only thing more overwhelming will be the pain. In future please refrain from postings on which you apparently know little or nothing about. To the ladies, no insult intended, many of you play a damn fine game of ball, whether softball or hardball.
The trouble is Mr Bercow, your job isn't at risk from them ,mine is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save the UK Vote UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree- DingDong, London, 5/6/2013 8:28.....You probably looked for someone who can speak a different language.
John Bercow. the despicable. But friend of UKIP. He looks and acts like a spoilt child anyway. He and, for instance, Vince Cable, besides holding their fellow countrymen in contempt, don't know what they are talking about and perpetrate a deep betrayal of hard working people.
He has just insulted the british people here, are we going to just stand here and take it. The Best remedy is to prove that is not the case, and throw those words back in his face. Who is with me?
anybody works harder than this slug, he is an overpaid idiot witha wife who laughs at him, plank..... anyway what would he know of the real world idiot,..
DISGUSTING STATEMENT......so so typical of our MPs.....who do LESS work than the average UK Taxpayer......
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match. - Have a nice day, New York City, United States, 5/6/2013 13:43 = well they needed a cuppa after fighting alone for a few years , you dont need a break when you have only just turned up do you >>>seriously do you belive that guff ???? like your troops they would have been told to stand down and rest up , this involves for the british a cup of tea , for the americans a coffee ...you dont fight 24/7 your unit is used and then rested , get it right and do NOT disrespect ALL soldiers with your stupid comments ..im sure a day vet from new york will put you right , someone who landed on the day and fought the war not someone who rocked up after and was (as you say) in the rear with the gear
I've seen John Bercow at "work" first hand, I'll say no more.
Let me just go an tell the Polish down my street who don't work that they're apparently hard workers.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says!
Everytime he opens his big mouth someone should put their foot in it.
When you think of the Speakers we have had in the past - Fitzroy, Wetherill, Boothroyd to name but three, how on earth did we get lumbered with the last two? I thought Martin was bad enough, but Bercow takes the phrase "Insipid little creep" to a whole new level. What do these people have against the British - and what does it say about our MPs that this is the type of person they select as Speaker???
Another gem from the manual of leadership? Not the one I knew, Never belittle your people, or discourage them. Give praise and encourage them. We get IDS belittling the poor for not marrying well and dragging themselves off £53 quid a week. UK Plc certainly is under the cosh - no carrots. beat them more they will perform. The only mistake the British people made was believing the lies by 'professional' politicians with little or no life or work experience.
The party of the working classes........shows how little they really think of their core voters....another reason to vote UKIP
What does he know about hard work ?
this is an insult to hard working british people.
Another pompous overblown politician.
You people are all so small minded....
Fine let's all vote them in as mp's ,most people work harder than the shower that we have .
They also work harder than MP's but then again so does everybody else
I am currently working with a Brit and she is one of the hardest workers I know. I have lived and worked in the UK as well, and I have never encountered a lazy bad worker in any of them. Maybe Bercow needs to get to know some of his own people first.
You mean they are willing to work for less so your fat cat mates get richer......lets save money on your job Bercrow I bet I can find someone willing to do your job for 50% less then you get paid......
That's rich coming from the man who doesn't do any work.
its very easy to say this because yes they look like they work more but they dont, the ones over here have come over to WORK yet what about the others that have stayed behind in there own country, does their government spill out the same garbage to them when they see the british over there that are in there country to work and work they do. vote ukip for change.
Bercow is a traitor.
A stupid little man who just can't himself acting the idiot
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something. - AcrossthePond , ex pat, United States, 05/6/2013 14:34 ************************* What? Like you did? Running away to America?
Compared to M:Ps they are certainly are haeder workers. Not hard when you compare them to people who do little or no work
They may or may not work harder. But a generation of British kids will be left on the sidelines because of his ilk.
It's about time we had people in our Houses of Parliament who actually have respect for the people of Britain whom they are purported to serve.
Bercow, what do you know about 'hard work' ?
His views are as left wing as the woman he is married to.
And they all vote Labour, dont they, Mr Disgraceful Speaker. You know, the ones who your party keep in benefits for all their lives whilst here in this country. No wonder you love them so much, but being in Rumania, you would say that, wouldnt you? I bet you would endorse Mr Putins arms agreement with Syria if he gave you and your wife a free holiday.
And still liebour run down the working man. VOTE UKIP FROM NOW ON.
John Bercow a prat married to a prat has no idea about the reality of jobs not available a 16 year old cant get a job without a licence to work in construction which he has trained for until he is 18 then he cant get the same job until he has experience and the money to pay for said licence! the government has put up more stop signs than anyone else to stop school leavers working forcing them to take unpaid work on government schemes but they are not in the trade you have been trained in. Berc-ow is a prat people want jobs they want work but BLAIR screwed that importing untrained electricians and plumbers who put lives at risk from countries who dont care if they can do the work legally and BLAIR says the dodgy qualification's are OK
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something.
This set people have never had any loyalty to the true British.
Hahaha dozey little man. Lets face it, our feckless benefits scroungers give more to society than he does.
He should resign immediately!
Stupid little man! I know lots of (particularly young) people who would love to have a job, but they just aren't given a chance. It's okay for him to get on his high horse and talk such rubbish, he who has such a well paid, fairly secure (and perhaps relatively easy?) job.
The trouble is, he only has the House of Commons to compare them with!
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 = rioght ok , heresa some education for you ..soccer is an italian word , its not a british word and seeing as we INVENTED football it would seem that your wrong , secondly , your game is derived from rugby and therefore was invented AFTER britian invented football , thridly , foot - ball , its short hand for how you play it , NOT chuking to your mate who then catches it and runs with it craddled in his arms , thats rugby NOT football ...rounder is played by girls in the UKM , but you seem to have grown men playing it and calling it base ball
Great Britain has too many David Camerons ! But we only have one Nigel Farage, Bring him on!
That statement sounds Rich coming from him when you consider all MP¿s now work less hours have more holidays,You¿re a Hypocrite Bercow.
Bercow ought to be reamed BURK COW what and insidious little pr**t he is !
Bercow nor any other MP have a right to comment on hard work. They sponge for a living.
That's because we're not given the chance, especially under 21s.
This is misleading but there is an element of truth. Because of the post war Socialist education there are around 25% of school leavers who have levels of numeracy and literacy that handicaps them when it comes to employment,. But worse than that they have been given the entitlement ethic'. so their failings are every one else¿s fault and they may be fodder for Union employment of Local Authorities but they lose in life's chances. We have a large UK contingent in our Netherlands office and they are industrious, flexible and work exceptionally well in a team environment ( much better than the Dutch) But we all feel sorry for the Labour Legions with poor prospects.
Clueless!! I thought that Speakers had to be apolitical! This worm and his shameless wife are a disgrace.
"unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys etc...soccer is played by girls." - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 ------- How about the fact that baseball is a girls' game? Schoolgirls play it over here. It's called Rounders.
The ignorant views of Bercow just back from his lovely lazy long holiday, calling the british workers ,thats why thousands more eastern europeans are to be allowed into UK next year and the tory government probally has the same views as Bercow.
During the 2009 parliamentary expenses scandal, it was revealed that Bercow changed the designation of his second home on more than one occasion ¿ meaning that he avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of two properties. He also claimed just under £1,000 to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. Bercow denied any wrongdoing, but agreed to pay £6,508 to cover any tax that he may have had to pay to HM Revenue and Customs.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
I take it Bercow is using himself as the measuring stick. It wouldn't be difficult to work harder than him an 90% of the MPs
What a load of piffling tosh and a gross generalisation!! Some of us who live in Britain are used to be being called names by various politicians over the years to support their politican ends. I know that during my working life in London, I worked far harder than this politician ever has, and probably ever will. His comments are just to support the social experiment which politicians and the EU are committed to.
So is there not a case for paying a bonus to those on benefits who work at fruit picking time etc rather than having others take the money?
As a leading actor in a pantomime what does Mr Speaker know about work?
This is coming from a man who has probally never done a days work in his life.
This no doubt includes the beggers and those lying around marble arch!
Bercow would be most welcome to discuss this theory in many of the high unemployment areas in the country. The hospitality he can expect might just change his attitude!
Bercow said, 'if you're willing to travel to another country to find a job, you're likely to work harder' It may well not be popular, but it's is correct
This man is a plonker! I know of many English/British who are hard workers. An unfair thing to say sir.
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him. - spike01, rotherham, 05/06/2013 12:25 Hahaha I like this comment, yes very true
when you're sharing the rent and bills with a dozen others you don't mind earning a bit less, it's twice what they'd earn back home anyway, then they send the rest back home !!!
Oh Bercow perhaps you should try a hard day of work you silly little prat Vote UKIP
they definetly work harder than MPs
Does he even know what work is? Just ignore him and he will go away I find him laughable as I have no respect for him or what he thinks.
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind here. Hes 100% CORRECT.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match.
Maybe we need to get rid of our home bred politicians and import them from abroad. Bye bye Mr Bercow you're as dopey as your missus.
Seems like he is purposely trying to provoke a reaction to give momentum to the holier than thou political class's attack on public opinion. Do not fall for it...keep calm and carry on. He knows he betrays us with these words..so it must have been ''accidentally on purpose''!
How was the English managed before.
How was the English manage before.
I wish people would shut up about this rubbish, this might be the case down south but it certainly is not the case in the North East where people have always had to graft hard to earn a living.
My bathroom was done by polish builders, they were total cowboys and everything that could be done wrong - was.terribke quality and workmanship. I also getting sick if polish presuming I dont know their swear words and shouting it every opportunity they can!
He needs firing UKIP for me
Needs to get out more.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
Just like his missus!
Wonder how we managed before they came. A days work would kill this little man.
A perfect example for a public vote on recall.....remember MP's voted him into office.The public should be given the choice to vote him out.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him.
Is it a physical impossibility for this fool to keep his mouth SHUT!!!!
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs.
"I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34" ................. You have absolutely no idea. Those of us fortunate to have jobs in this climate work damn hard to hold onto them. Whilst I would not generalise a complete nation as you seem to do, those E Europeans you hold in such high regard in the US are possibly not those that have chosen to bleed the UK dry - friendly, hard working and law-abiding? Don't make me laugh! 'Finders Keepers' is most definitely in their moral code, regardless of where they 'found' it!!
Mr Bercow. Must I remind you that this is not a question of race, it is a question of space. And that is a commodity we do not have.
Perhaps Mr Bercow's knowledge of British workers is limited to MPs. Which makes him right doesn't it?!
Does that include the travelling community.
How the hell would Bercow know as he has never worked a day in his life. he also earns more than the Prime Minister .... for what?
British are lazy just like dads army
POISON DWARF
Why are we not shocked? Paid by the public, answers to the public? I think not! The PM should have him removed in the national interest, and because he is pointless!
I'd like Bercow and his silly wife to emigrate to Eastern Europe for a long, long time. There they could find real work with people they admire.
End this madness it does not seem that a day goes by now without a politician does not slate us for not following their 'doctrine' and they have forgotten "they work for us" (mass propaganda) apparently and that in a democracy we can oppose their views i.e. yesterday we had the Lib Dem MP calling all green deniers 'dangerous' and Cameron calling UKIP Supporter 'Loonies' all because he wants to remain in the EU. I have been a member of the Conservative Party since 2002 and I am about to join UKIP the big three monopoly must come to an end they hold us in complete contempt with dissonance and I am sick of it. If we have 'movement' of free Labour can we not place a Polish man in Bercows job? a Dutch man in Osbornes job? an Italian in Hague's job and vote them after all this would be democracy and the laws of the EU being enforced properly but then again the 'movement of free LABOUR' is only applicable to the prolateriat
All the MPs are on benefits and expenses, yet never work very hard. Time this Bercow gave up his free company flat and joined the working world.
A talking Gnome ???????????????
Lots are, plenty aren't. Of course he may be comparing them to his lazy wife who seems to do nothing except behave like an exhibitionist.
What chance do we have when the powers that be are against us? We are doomed!!!
said it from the start, we have a left wing speaker! how can you have a "speaker" with political bias
If it's true, then they would be better working hard in their own countries and getting their own industries booming. We have had a brain drain in this country for years and it would seem that Poland and similar countries are now suffering a brawn drain. All the Brits I know have worked hard since before leaving school and have continued to work into their 40's. I don't know any scroungers and there are very few jobs here for Polish workers as most positions are picked up by hard working locals.
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!! - luckylooloo22 , Stoke On Trent, 05/6/2013 12:20 ----- haha bookies around aldershot are full of elderly nepelese paying there pensions into the machines
Praise all you want Bercow! You have no idea what these people you support say about you. Probably the same as this: Someone I know went to an employment agency up North. Having asked for an application form, one member of staff turned to the other and said "Typical English ***". She had no idea that the lady with this person could speak Polish. Think on Mr!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******. - Angryscouse, Bristol, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 12:24 _________________________ All of the things you say may well be true except one.......Berk Off was made Speaker by the LABOUR Party..........The Tories protested at the time but were overruled.
Speak for yourself and that worthless wife of yours!
Will somebody please smack this stupid man around the head. I am not lazy and was around when Britain was great. It's idiots like him who got this once great nation in a mess.
Apart from the statement being quite possibly illegal it is patently untrue, since several recent surveys have shown that Britons - quite probably because of fear of job losses during a recession - have been working the LONGEST hours of any country in Europe.
Won't be any of yer proper British there soon, considering almost anyone can just turn up now have a kid waive a British passport around . Glad I'm no longer there. By the way I'm an Englishman .
That's the small fraction who actually work, what about the ones who claim and are still claiming unemployment benefits?!
VOTE UKIP AND KICK EM IN TOUCH TOUCH
TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
there is a generation of young lazy English folks it starts from a young age first they don't respect there own family so they don't like authority so they skip school which means no respect and no education coupled with the benefits the English people get and throw in the mix and of beer and drugs equals lazy English people
I don't think it's so much that we are lazy, just that the world has changed and the population hasn't caught up yet. Brits (also Europeans and Americans) tend to work smarter and need less supervision, but expect high wages for it. Residents of the emerging countries usually had to work hard even to get to college and when they get good jobs they graft their butts off to succeed. In most of the Pacific Rim, for example, the results of not making it in the job market are sleeping on the streets around them, while here you just have a few kids and you're on the gravy train.. When Western people start to understand that they need to work to live we'll start to prosper again. Until then the decline will continue.
Bercow's comment constitutes a race hate crime and he should be prosecuted accordingly.
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much - Willow, Down Town, 5/6/2013 11:53 ____________________________ Fear.
No you idiot, what they are is CHEAPER workers, and everyone knows this game now, Let's look at the situation, - no water, no money, no jobs and now (they say) no food. And still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
UKIP in next election it's the only way to keep Britain on it's feet !
It is a shame that this man did not use good old fashion commonsense before he opened his mouth. To me he is what is bad about politicians how he was ever made speaker of the house I will never understand. Is Mr. Bercow in favour of cheap labour but the taxpayer foots the bill for supplying more education, medical and housing to the newcomers.
Me and mrs bercow should move to Eastern Europe!
tell that to the many victims of crime brought in from the E.M EURO MESS by politician's who don't give two hoots for the voter who put them there. POLITICIAN'S ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE ? NEXT JOKE
come to newcastle and tell me to my face im lazy and dont work hard you silly little pratt
The truth hurts....unfortunately we are lazy!
TIME FOR YOU TO GO YOU SILLY MAN - YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD !!
NOT HARDER WORKERS,CHEAP WORKERS,JUST WHAT THE TORIES LIKE.IF YOU CAN DO A JOB IN UK CHEAPER THAN BRITISH WORKERS THEN YOU ARE WECOME TO COME AND WORK,AS OUR BRITS CHARGE TO MUCH.YOU PATHETIC CAMALOON TORIES.
The whole POINT of being a wealthy country like the UK is that we don't have to work all hours to survive. It's taken centuries to achieve this, but if politicians have their way we'll go back to working (and living) like we did a hundred years ago!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
Thats becuase you pay and reward British people for not working with houses, free cash, free dentist care, free eye treatment free school dinners, free central heating systems, free council tax etc etc....
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
more money in your slimey pockets eh! robber...and your fool missus
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN. - MrJolly, Chorley Lancashire England Voiting UKiP, 5/6/2013 11:58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He was voted into the position of Speaker by LABOUR!
Thankfully this is another idiot that will be gone when UKIP get in at the next election.
And Bercow knows all about hard work doesn't he? The fool's never had a proper job!
Dey took our jeerrrrrbs!
WHAT DOES BERCOW KNOW ABOUT HARD WORK? JUST ANOTHER JUMPED UP SELF CENTRED PARASITE
Please someone remove this man from his position.
Jenny, Edinburgh..... I think it is rather unrealistic to believe that company's would actually re-locate to another country due to workforce productivity, when there are so many qualified British citizens who are looking for work. Perhaps a more realistic account would be more to do with profits? It is no great secret that those who go over to Britain from Europe and seek work are more than happy to undercut the pay of the very people who have been doing the work for many years. Sad but true.
His mouth is as slack as his stupid wife's - they would both do better to shut up and keep their views to themselves. Save a lot of legal fees too that way. Daft pair.
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham.
Shame the rest of Europe didn't show there great work ethic when 'ze Germans' were attacking. Needed us 'bone idle' Brits didn't you. British people are simply smarter so we just feel deserving of better jobs and not manual labour rubbish
The man's totally deluded, is calling him a 5 king idiot abusive? His statement is abusive towards British citizens.
A little man with a small mind and big stupid mouth!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN.
How on Earth would this overgrown garden Gnome have the faintest idea what hard work looks like? His only hard work is inventing new expenses claims and keeping his idiot wife from making him look even more useless than he already is!!.
I would just love to see Bercow do a year in a proper job with normal wages and having to pay his own bills.....
I agree with him and it's based on my own experience. I previously worked in a university and the British students had no interest in building their work experience and gaining valuable skills. The international students however, were always at the careers service, trying to find out as much as possible and taking on a lot of work. Employers also stated that they preferred the international students and that British students would be on their phone all the time, not complete work and show up late. We would be asked by employers all the time to only advertise to international students, which of course legally we cannot do. When legislation changed and it became more difficult for international student to work after graduation, many employers told us this would affect their business greatly. Some even saying they were thinking of moving away from the UK. I know that university students are only a small portion of society, but I do think the British laziness is a big problem.
So we lazy British know exactly who NOT to vote for next time it comes up don't we.
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much
Explains why all the local farmers use picking gangs made up of every nationality but British, as one was quoted about Brits last year- few apply and none last a couple of days.
This from someone riding on the gravy train.
The man is mad and not worthy of such high office.
Hmm. Benefiting Britian... ??? How.. ??? Or do you mean.. over 3m Brits on on Benefits That costing the country a fortune... He is Totally Out of Touch in his rent free Ivory Tower at the Palace of Westminister...
On what does Bercow base his comment? He has no right to speak, as he is just another posh boy who has never even had a proper job. Buffoon.
If they are so hard working why are their own countries not booming with industry and world class manufacturing output? What did they do before the borders were opened? just sit about idle?
Hark at this dwarf . Which one of the seven is he . Dopey ??
Not just a dwarf, but a little one at that.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!! - Las Palmas 123, Munchen, Germany, 5/6/2013 10:48 And how much an hour do you pay him??
lets not kid ourselves the majority of labour that has come to these shores is not the skilled that we were promised that would fill any skills shortages here. its the unskilled masses that have come and employers are taking advantage of it for there own profits. all this talk of them being harder workers is a whitewash. find who they are and start boycotting them
Bercow has just broken the law. Discrimination is illegal. Sort it Westminster before very angry Brits who want work sort you.
Well lets face it everyone works harder then Bercow.
That's right Mr Bercow....now take your medication...it will to keep you out of touch with reality and stop you thinking about what Sally might do next. Then...if you're a very good boy, you can sit on that Commons chair...you know...the one that makes you look so very tall and really, really big and important!
I think he's got a cheek for someone who sits in a chair for a few hours a day shouting oder every now and the.
Typical stupidity from a politician who has no idea what he 's talking about and doesn't live in the real world, if you haven't got anything intelligent or relevant to say Mr Bercow i suggest you shut your ignorant mouth.
Have found Daves E Mail and just sent him my views hope he reads them
what a stupid statement from the silly know nowt little man:
Can someone please ask him how he knows this ,is it from personal experience or is it based on hearsay from friends and other politicians? Evidence is not exactly clear but then we are talking about a Bercow!Seems he has learnt nothing from his wife's stupid utterances.Car crash family.
How would he know ?
So Bercow! When you were up for election and after votes, did you tell your constituents they were all lazy and benefit scroungers, No thought you didn't. About time we all voted UKIP because non of the parties we have now have your interests at heart
By Britons I assume he means lazy British MP's who make sloths look like workaholics
well someone who actually chose sally bercow as a wife and mother of his children and can actually stomach her company every day really shouldn't be in a position to say anything really oily little twit
did nt take your job did they sunshine ......
Why is it that people like him are always ready to run British people down, in his position it is disgraceful. I just wish this arrogant little man living of the taxpayer would disappear and take his self seeking odious wife with him.
well perhaps this avaricious parasite can do without his housekeeper and lead by example
Bercow go and live in one of your favoured countries then.Whats stopping you? Oh yes, would really have to slog for a pittance chairs and perks not allowed Off you go now you know you want to!
bill. Lowestoft 11.05 I always email Cameron the 10 downing st web site
Do you think he is spending to much time with his dopey useless wife,Yes,,Me to
#!@#king idiot
Bercow should be made to start work at 6am in the morning sweeping the streets for a month or two, maybe then he would have some idea of what the word work means.
Why is this idiot the Speaker?
Yes that's right it is very hard working of them to get down the benefits office to steal what they are not entitled to and it's exhausting getting drunk and making trouble and as for the effort it takes to pick-pocket and steal what's not theirs they should be given a holiday on us for the effort they put in to that.
This odious little creep hasn't a clue what the word "work" means.
Anything this pipsqueak of a man utters' should be ignored. He is only spouting his (Labour)Party line.
Bercow went to university and then became a politician. he has never done a hard days work in his entire life. i have no idea what he thinks gives him the right to say something like this...
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 -------- And just what would you know about it. I'd shut up if I were you, or should we suggest flooding your country with many thousands of hard working, friendly, law-abiding Mexicans. No I thought not.
what about the ones that come here and dont work there costing us more then wot goes in ie nhs,benifits if they aint workin kick them out save millions that way
So if they are such good workers why did he not advise them to stay in their own country and make it the Eldorado of the EU?
Dwarf boy.
tez65 Leicester 1056. Glad you have just E Mailed Dave . Cannot find EMail Address for dave anywhere any chance of putting it on comments ???????????????
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
If I'd voted for him I'd be ashamed and embarrassed.
This useless man and his useless wife have never done a hard days work in their lives he is typical politician speak before engaging the brain. Horrible little man
Yes, that's why the get all the jobs.
I believe that he originates from eastern Europe as do many of our esteemed MP's of all the three main parties and house of Lords.
I should imagine that his constiuents are very annoyed by his remarks, pity he cannot be given a vote of no confidence by them.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike , Essex, 05/6/2013 10:36 ------ You forget, Mike, politicians don't need qualifications. Bercow proves the point. With the right spin, any gobby, egotistical, dimwit can become an MP.
Does he know every worker personally to support this non neutral view? can he provide us with proof? How many does he actually work with then? He certainly doesn't seem to mind being kept in his comfy lifestyle by brit taxpayers though. Perhaps we should replace him & all the mps for lower paid eu staff who might show more loyalty to those who pay their wages. The pro eu pr will include knocking brit workers. But then uk just accept it & just moan abit. Perhaps there should be more honest conversation with those who live in the real world about which workers they prefer. Those who benefit personally from the eu have all the public platforms & will do everything to keep it. Lower wages & less rights, & buy to let has increased & rents have gone up with demand. Wonder if any mps are benefiting from this? For those on here who agree with his remarks, appearing to be located in the uk, often from the london area. Do you personally include yourselves as being inferior workers then?
Bercow? that a welsh name?
C'mon people pity him,after all look what he is married to!
The Poisoned Dwarf said, " The media views, do not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." That is correct you Self Serving little IDIOT. THEY REFLECT THE VIEWS AND CONCERNS OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. Another example, of how out of touch the political elite are, with the British Electorate. Vote UKIP.
I am sick of this odious little man so I have just emailed call me Dave at number 10 telling him what I think, Don't suppose it will do much but at least I feel better, hope more do the same.
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow? - paul, gillingham, 5/6/2013 10:27 >>>>>>> What about all of the hidden unemployed who are and have been searching for work since redundancy? What about those British in their late forties onward and up to what would have been regarded as retirement age. Do they not deserve to have a job too? What about all of the greedy over sixty fives who still occupy a position which could be filled by a young British person? Do our young not deserve a fair deal and a future too? Do the British believe they can no longer think for themselves or make decisions anymore? Everybody, apart from the British people, appear to know what's best for them. UK = Dystopia
PARASITE
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow! - jjkh , Herts, 05/6/2013 10:19 ----------- Surely you don't expect Bercow to think of these things. For that he would need a brain which he clearly lacks as he doesn't realise his position as Speaker requires a neutral position on all thing political. He should be removed from office and replaced with somebody who is and isn't so gobby.. He won't be as they are all in it together, aren't you Dave.
How would Bercow know? He wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit him in the face.
The man is definitely right. Well said.
What would John Bercow know about hard work? He has never done a day's work in his life. Damned cheek!!
Well said Mr Bercow a true Tory if ever there was one.As Cameron said Britain couldn't survive without cheap labour and hard workers comeing from all the EU eastern Block countries.Why do u think we needed to join the EU in the first place Margret T had to get rid of the unions and high labour costs.Company bosses should only pay what they think workers are worth.It was dragging Britain down.Besides we can get all we need much cheaper from EU countries.Tory values will put the ordinary people in poverty,but Britain will be strong?
All we need to do is agree a family swap treatise. A family arrive in the country and get jobs, we stop benefits for one local family. Over time no one who wants to be employed is unemployed and no one receives benefits.
Sky news was running a story last night about EU referendum poll in which it showed 51% wants to get out of EU and 49% doesn't want to. Now what is to follow is the interesting part of this silly poll. Guess how many samples were used? Just 1600 people and they are telling as though the whole country has voted for this silly poll. When we have Idiots like this Bercow and new channels like them, we do not need anymore enemies.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!!
"It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job. - sd, uk, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 10:22" This is illegal. Report this to your local council. Report this to your MP. Boycott the store. Unless we start bombarding the people WE PAY to "govern" this country, they will continue to walk all over us/ignore us. Sadly, though, it is the British way to tut and roll our eyes, rather than complain and protest. Whilst I do not have a lot of time for the French, at least they protest - and how! - if they are unhappy about something!
Yep I am sure some are, but also as we have no points system and anyone can come here I have only witnessed and known of violence, drunkenness, driving without insurance or licence and drunk, littering, lots of terrible anti social behaviour, and the destruction of communities. I am sure some are hard workers, however we have not just let in the hard workers have we.
Pity they are not so hard working in their own countries. I have stayed in these countries and seen jobs which should take a couple of weeks drag into months or even years. The reason may be something to do with the fact that although there may be a dozen guys officially on the job, you are lucky to see even one working. The rest will be sitting smoking, chatting or looking - no matter what time of the day you pass them
Answer Time for UKIP
The Speaker has spoken...and what a load of tosh. He would be better placed concentrating on family matters and leaving the important issues of the day alone
Well after that comment I am voting UKIP
Not the most sensible comments to make by the speaker, but then he is always putting his foot in his rather large mouth.
HAHA, who is this complete idiot, typical rich wasp attitude, if they work so hard go over there then so they can work so hard in their own country and take this fool with you
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike, Essex, 05/06/2013 09:36 AM Try getting some qualifications then Mike !!!
I don't mind anyone coming here and working hard but I don't agree with us giving them benefits to top up their income! They should support themselves for the first 10yrs. NO CHILD BENEFIT either.
The only people it has benefited are rich company owners. This man, like the rest of the 'A' holes in Westminster, are completely out of touch with what many people in Britain are going through at the moment. They make me sick passing comment and judgment on people when they're living in t heir ivory towers - a complete and utter disgrace (and his gobby Mrs)
Coming from a man who seems to do nothing but mile the system, lets not even get started with his wife.
Bercow and his ilk will say this WHY a lot of these people in the up market Kensington and Chelsea areas not to mention the rest have a cheap scource of house keepers and cleaners working for them on cheap rates FACT ....
This doughball is missing the point entirely. Irrespective of who works harder, or who earns the most money, where does said money go? Where is said money invested? Who's economy is boosted by said money? Come on Mr. Speaker, do try to buck up!
Obviously bases his comment on himself and his wife.....well shorty, we aren't all like you.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!!
Bercow should be made to expend a little more backbreaking effort, on a building site, up to his knees in mud, at minimum wage. The British work ethic is fine. This is something which people, similar to Bercow, have never been made to learn.
Bercow is British. Ergo he's just called himself lazy. I expect better from MPs.
"Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?" Delete the words "to Britain" and the question is more relevant.
Slightly off-topic I suppose but: I have just returned home to Spain from a couple of weeks in St Anns, near Blackpool. Last time we went there all the Hotels etc were staffed by people from other countries, even as far afield as Belorussia (hello Paul if you are still in the Country - what a brilliant Barman). This time around however, they have all disappeared and guess what? The Hotels, Bars etc are nearly all staffed by young Brits. Has something happened recently? Apart from the Labour lot being booted out of Government that is?
I feel insulted by his comments. I worked all my life and worked hard. He should not be making such wide sweeping comments.
Sad but true!! If we didn't't have a benefits system that allows anyone to decide they do not want to work they can live a life paid for by the taxpayer and MP's supporting this ideal then we would not have this problem, also Labour must answer the question , why they invited so many people to come here and accept lower wages than the local workforce!!
He should start by giving up his job for a Polish worker then.
Please move to that country and take your wife with you, you can add to that countries work ethic. SO SORRY I FORGOT MYSELF, YOUR A POLITICIAN.
Well said Thoughtfox!
Typical Tory twit...Born with a golden foot in his mouth.
Numpty.
This is what is known as "little man" syndrome!
I wish all the Brits emigrate out of the UK then we can really get UK PLC back on track
and pygmy politicians...shut up squeaker
Bercow is a fine one to talk about work ethics after claiming for dirty weekends on his expenses, and trying to block the publication of details of MPs expenses which could show if they are renting their taxpayer-funded homes to each other. Oh.. and his children*s nanny lives in her own taxpayer-funded flat in the Houses of Parliament......The Speaker of the House should be neutral, and he is CLEARLY not, so BERCOW should resign.
He is spot on, they aren't all the workshy burdens that UKIP would have you think
Has any speaker in Britain's history ever been as controversial as this miserable little worm?
deluded!! on many counts
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow?
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
In that case why aren't their own countries thriving, successful hives of industry, so the poor wretches don't have to leave hearth and home, to come here, grub up root vegetables for a pittance and squat in grotty hovels?
Let him spout and idiots like him, it just drives more and more people over to UKIP.
What the hell does he know about reality???
Our politicians in Westminster are completely out of touch with the British people.
"Workers" - yes the ones who actually work may have benefited the UK but only the ones who WORK
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
Would they be so "hard working and vital" if they were made to live in your area Mr Bercow?
Well that's a sweeping statement and a half isn't it!! Is this guy paid to hav an opinion!! Unreal!!!
What would he, or any MP know about hard work? They live a very pampered lifestyle yet they have the hubris to think that they are worth it! I despair with these people. When are going to wake up and ditch the lot of them? - ali westerman north wales
Good luck with that at the next election, Bercow!
Don't forget this little nonety was forced on this government by labour, in revenge for the demise of the last speaker, "Gorbal Mick" over the MP's expenses scandal mishandling.
Im sure many do work hard but others are a huge cost to us that drains away any gain.They dont all work hard or are honest or their countries wouldnt be in the mess they are.We all know the MAIL REALLY SUPPORTS THE EU !!!
A sad but true quotation. Many Brits are still under the impression that we own half the world, and therefore don't have to get off their bone-idle backsides to work. Having said that, when there are companies like Next, who use an agency (I believe it's called something like Salisbury), who ONLY advertise in Poland, they ONLY interview in Poland, they ONLY do the assessment tests in Poland, you have to wonder why Brits still support shops and companies like this. It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job.
Let's replace our MPs with those who work FOR us, not AGAINST us! If this is what he thinks of the electorate who pay his over inflated salary and expenses he can ...... off and work elsewhere.
Time to replace Mps with german or polish see how they like losing their jobs no their jobs are safe like wise the people in media they all make me sick .Time to stand up for our rights me thinks
Maybe he's referring to those in the public employ, personally at 52.5 hours a week I've never worked harder for less
I wish he would emigrate!
What would he know about life outside Westminster.
Bercow has demonstrated his lack of political neutrality many times. An essential attribute of the role. He should be removed from office.
Ignore him, he's an idiot! perhaps he hasn't been in the news lately!!
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow!
The Gov, are far from hard workers. This makes me laugh, especially when Camergoon is of on holiday every five minutes. "I have to go of on breaks to keep me sain Cameron says" Well, in the real world most hard working people get 4 weeks of a year, if your lucky.
If any politican sums up the smug, over priviledged, it in for himself stereotype then its this gurning chump... i still despise him from the interview he gave with Tom Bradbury in 2009. Available on YouTube.
Just like the majority of MPs, they detest their own people !!!
a truly little man in all respects
There is one certainty Bercow is no benefit to Britain.
what a stupid little man
They probably are, but so were all the other slaves this country used to have. Doesn't make it right does it?
Bit of a general statement there is it not...?
Will they still be working hard in 5yrs time when they find out how much they can get on benefits.
Probably a harder worker than he is, hi Jonny hows the wife.
I'm guessing he's never travelled on the London underground after 4pm to be confronted with loud mouthed east euros, drunk, spitting, leering at women, carrying 6ft step ladders and other large tools....
Another day...and another half of the double act - Berk and Cow utters complete twaddle again!
I agree with the fact our Lords Ladies and RHM are as dishonest and lazy as most imports!
This man says these stupid things just to wind people up, best thing to do is ignore him.
Germany and several Scandanavian countries seem like very well run places. Perhaps we should employ legislators from these countries instead of the lazy Brits, who seem content to let a coterie of bankers dictate policy.
hmmm increased crime, drunkeness, strain on the NHS, benefits going to their children still at home abroad......
Hands up those who will vote traitors into power again ie the three main parties traitors who have dirty minds and clean hands?
as the wife keeps her mouth shut, he opens his...............
@------" I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you
Perhaps if the government educated our young properly and gave them some hope, this would not be the case!!
Your comments: Spot on!
Well past time to remove these MPs and replace them with people that work FOR the British public not AGAINST the British public!
How dare he insult us hard working British, he's as bad as his wife.
I think we should have GERMAN MPs as they are harder working more efficient and better than they clowns we have
Compared to his silly vapid wife and MP's the gnome is right. Of course he'll think that what ge says is true it was his party's policy to let them in for no reason than to spite the Tories. He is paid to be neutral isn't he? This is the nth time he hasn't been and what with his wife's antics he should have the grace to resign.
How does he know this? What contact does he have with them? Its a insulting statemen I want to know where he got his facts?
He should know, after all - just think, he's surrounded by over 600 examples of the British 'worker'...indeed he's one of them. Maybe we should fire all the MPs since they're such lazy workers!!
to see someone who suppose to have no political views as speaker be so anti british how the hell did he get the job. Oh thats right he a puppet for his puppet masters.
he as been around to many lazy M.P.s
Vote ukip :D
Another DAMMED good reason to vote UKIP.
How on earth does this Burke Bercow ALWAYS manage to annoy everybody when he opens his mouth..UGH !!!
His got to try and make some freind's somewhere as he has to be one of the most hated in his own country.
Bercow and his missus have never down a days work in their life , the problem with this Country and Europe are bone idle greedy corrupt politicians like him.
I work in the hotel Industry & the only reason they hire Europeans is they don't have to pay the same level of TAX/NI to the government by labeling the job as a migrant position. Its about a £500- 800 saving per employee so when you have a thousand employees the numbers add up to big cost savings plus they can hire & fire them at will. They are cheap & disposable & that's why the government & Business love them, Take away the TAX breaks so all workers are on an equal footing & watch how fast these businesses change track.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
MP's are voted into power to govern the people not replace them with those seeking lebensraum. Besides the work ethic of the migrants is likely to dissipate once they learn the benefits system, something most are certainly not used to in the country of origin.
What Bercow fails to realise i this, yes many of these migrants are hard workers, but the fast majority of them do this hard work at a reduced cost and under the threat of losing the job they have got. I work both as a HGV driver and Senior Administration and Finance officer and in both jobs I have seen this. For exams, I currently work as a HGV driver for a well know grocery store through and agency. There are 3 gentlemen, all polish who work for the same agency doing the same job as me yet I get paid £9.50 an hour and they get paid £7.75 with no overtime payment. There are those immigrants who stick to their guns and demand the same rights as us English, but the majority are too scared and have to work harder and longer just to make a livible wage. If the government made all employers pay the same wage across the board then you will see a big shift in the work ethics of a migrant. The other issues is many migrants don't pay tax as their employers pay cash in hand at less then £6
Lol and his wife is a hard worker,,, Good Grief,, spongers both of them..
I think he is confusing 'Hard working' with 'Cheaper' I've been in the building industry for 16yrs and the recent changes in labour force have most defiantly not brought more productivity or skill to the industry. Recent clients have spoke of past bad experiences of immigrant builders where on first impressions they seem extremely hard working but then all has become clear towards the finish as job is nowhere near complete and overruns by months. What is happening is the immigrant workers are willing to work for almost half local workers and they will be paid on an hourly rate or day rate basis so they will make up some of the difference by 'being on site long hours' and 'being on site weekends' not to be confused with working long hours or working weekends. Over the last few years I've seen this first hand so I feel I'm far more qualified than our man Mr Berkow to speak on this subject and really don't appreciate more MPs slating off the British workforce which built this country.
Anybody would be harder working than his wife!!
They're certainly harder working than our MP's. But then you'd practically have to be a corpse to be worse!
Employers have been able to get rich as they go East to get cheap workers and school them in topping up their lower wages with tax funded benefits- including housing. The indulged Bercows are cushioned from all the effects on schools, hospitals etc etc. Thanks to Europe and our soooo compliant government it's a lose lose for the British working man. How would JB feel watching someone take his job knowing that the taxes he has paid are being used to make this possible. At least JB's speech shows whose side Parliament is on.
This incideous poisoned dwarf hasnt done a good days work in his life, how dare he tell us that foreigners work harder than the indigenous people. The only good thing I can see in a labour goverment is the end of this creep and his petulant power crazy female.
bercow spouts - ¿But the media is not the Government and it is not Parliament. I am here as a friend of Romania and someone who sees the benefits of immigration.¿......................................Is there not a position of 'speaker' in the Romanian Government? Being as how YOU are a 'friend' of that country perhaps you and yours would benefit from migrating there. I feel you would NOT be missed in this over run country.
What useful purpose does Burco and his vile wife serve? .......... NONE.
Some migrants are more hardworking than some Britons......and probably most migrants are more hardworking than Mrs Berkow.,
Headline is a bit misleading. He has said the immigration should be monitored and managed. He's only referring to EU-A8 immigration. I think he may have been partly right in 2004, but now that the economy has slowed down there are decent British people who can't get their foot in the workplace as it's now established that foreign staff do those jobs. Also people like his wife are in opposition to what would improve british work effort, such as proper changes to the benefits system and education. There are many other factors determining if migration is beneficial or not. For example if a particular migrant is only on the minimum wage their tax would not cover the cost of schooling even 2 school age children in most LAs meaning a net-loss to the state.
the first intelligent remark ever that has the label bercow attached
of course his job is safe
This is symptomatic of a liberal elite that is not only out of touch with the electorate, but totally contemptuous of it.
SHOULD WE REPLACE ALL OUR GOVT THEN ??? - -CANT MAKE ANY WORSE JOB THAN THE ONE WE HAVE - - - I SUGGEST FRANCES GOVT COME HERE- - THEY WOULD HAVE CHOUDRAY AND HIS GANG OF TWO FACED FANATICAL FREELOADING TERROR SUPPORTERS OUT BEFORE DINNER ON THE FIRST DAY.
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
Yes but only Northern Eastern Europeans, not Romanians and Bulgarians who have never been known for hard work but for laziness and fraud..
So the British have little aptitude or commitment according to this nasty, little man? I presume that he can back that up with some kind of facts, proof or statistics?
Are idiots like Berkow born stupid or do they work on it ?
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.- maxxymoo 09, Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom, >>>>>>Look under worst rated and page to below the red arrows there are many comments there that do not make the main page.
Who listens to Berk and Cow they are idiots
Pompous little gnome
From a man who gets 3 months off !
He probably has some Eastern European cleaners, that he pays peanuts!
You can only praise the work ethic of foreigners because you are not allowed to say anything negative about them or the pc brigade will become so upset, shocked and disgusted! So forget saying anything about them not learning English or that they commit crime whilst here (just ask the Met Police who commits the most credit card crimes) as it is not going to be printed.
Oh they work hard alright - that's why 30,000 Romanians were arrested in the Metropolitan Police area in the last 5 years alone - and they shouldn't even be here yet. They can just walk in, no criminal records check, sign on as self employed and the full benefit system is available. Subsidised housing, free education for their kids, access to NHS, Job seekers allowances, benefits for children left in their home country.......We have been systematically and royally shafted by this EU scam. It needs to end and end NOW. Vote UKIP.
Bercow has no idea - let me tell you about Romania Mr Bercow - they are liars, thieves and beggars, one tribe traffics women, another children, another drugs, another gold - car parks are full of 'can I wash your car brigade' Romanians of course - have you seen the gang master lurking in the background taking the loot - the mafia of the car parks and they are here because they have invented self employment - next January they will be claiming houses, benefits, schools for the children and health cate for their aged parents they will bring - if anyone knows how to work the system and pull the wool over they eyes of the politico's its the Romanians closely followed by the Bulgarains - who will all come en masse - suitcases alreayd packed and coach tickets bought - I worked there for 4 years and I know - Mr B does not have a clue - as he has just demonstrated. And why are they coming? we don't need them, we don't want them - hey let's leave the EU to their own home grown disasters
Migrants are more vulnerable to exploitation than Britons. And many migrants exploit our welfare system at the first opportunity!
The political classes have regarded the citizens of Britain to be 3rd or even 4th class in our own country for many years now.They think of us as racist lowlife and have nothing but contempt for us and our views.We need to clean them out of our parliament.,all of them.
Has Bercow ever had a real job , or has he talked his way through life like most politicians .
Typical lefty Labour opinion! Maybe Bercow's job might be lost to an Eastern European? We don't think Bercow works hard enough.
my god what a nerve coming from a greedy little tyke who has spent his years at the Westminster trough lining his pockets with taxpayers cash and never done a decent days work in his life
dont you just love the way your MPs support the UK worker?
Nothing to do with his parents being Romanian immigrants then.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
bet they are of benefit to some of the pies he has his fingers in
I would say that when it comes to the lower paid ,less appealing jobs ,he is absolutely right. Eastern Europeans seem to be dilligent and enthusiastic in the type of occupations that we would deem as pointless drudgery. Waking in the small hours to work in a bakery or sitting all night in a 24 hour petrol station ...and all those nasty cleaning jobs... etc, they still embrace a healthy work ethic and, by shrewd money management are able to support themselves and their families back home. We could all learn by taking a leaf from their book.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down I think you will find the person who needs to shut up and sit down is alot closer to home. No. 303 ("Ko¿ciuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron (Polish: 303 Dywizjon My¿liwski "Warszawski im. Tadeusza Ko¿ciuszki") was one of 16 Polish squadrons in the Royal Air Force (RAF) during the Second World War. It was the highest scoring RAF squadron of the Battle of Britain He is neither right or wrong as there are hard working immigrants im sure but there will be lazy immigrants also and the same applys to people who were born in the uk. You can only do it case by case and not so "Oh these people are all super hard working or super lazy because everyone is an individual.
Bercow your Eastern European counterparts put you lot to shame, their WORK ETHICS are much superior to your privileged, pampered and obscenely plush lifestyle. I hope the next Commons Speaker is Eastern European working for £6:31 per hour and still doing a much better job than you could ever dream of doing. Voting for UKIP all the way here, Nigel will sort you lot out out no more caviar and champagne, make do with bread and water and by God you will have to work for that.
Don't you mean harder workers than Politicians
coming from a man how has never done a days work in his life ............
Bercow, who made it your choice?
Lets turn this slightly round - if I was to say for example Eastern Europeans are lazy would I not get done for racism? Why then isn't Bercow - he is clearly discriminating against British workers. The man is a disgrace
John Bercrow has never done a days work in his life, if he has the courage of his convictions he should resign and give his non job to a migrant.
This man seriously has short man syndrome, as well as inactive brain cell syndrome. Mouth needs to shut up syndrome, and I can't dress syndrome. Enough said I think.
So on that basis soon all jobs will be held by foreigners and all the natives here will be on benefits!
Who does this little squirt think he is, my grandad worked 6 days a week all his life, my grandma went to work ill, my mother and father work hard its only since people like him who threw British workers onto the scrap heap for the sake of cheap foreign labour that the British have been slated insulted and degraded, Christ i wish we in Great Britain could get some of the same spirit those demonstrators in Turkey have.
Stop benefits and people will work harder to stay in a job. Some friends of mine employ Polish people, they work very hard and pay UK taxes which is more that a lot of British scrounges.
- Mike , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 09:29 ....................... You have a very interesting way of mangling written English.
Ok, Mr Bercow, and your wife lived with Gypsies and tells us what honest, hardworking folk they are as well!
Pratt.
i wonder which country his nanny hails from
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please. - Tony, Maidstone United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 3:20 Glad to oblige Tony! Truth is only a peas brain would generalise about a nationality.If we were to follow that line there is plenty I could say ,but that would be racist or xenophobic. Seems its ok to do that about our own people though.How patriotic you are.Thank goodness we didn't have a nation of weaklings like you when Hitler was around!
our country went from the united kingdom of great briton to briton. english irish scots welsh built this god given country to us. REMBEMBER THE WORDS TO THE HYMN ..JERUSALEM "THOSE DARK SATANIC MILLS" mr bercow and your club of 650, our forebears worked and died there as in mines shipyards railways, foundries steelworks on the roads in the fields..h.m forces.. no national heath service ..dole or pensions.. family allowance.... or immigrants. no mr berrcow of the demolition party, sorry coalition party THE GREAT BRITISH NATION BUILT GREAT BRITAIN you the polititions took us to britain and less. the 1970s germany and holland wanted brit construction workers and payed em well. british workers gave us history...polititions gave us no future.
Ah yes, John Bercow, a man who has never done a day's work in his life. The hardest thing he's ever done is to stuff his pockets with our money.
What he means is Brits can't get jobs because they have all been taken by immigrants that this and the previous government imported.
This is another misleading stereotype which has been proved to be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Bercow could be replaced with a Romanian or Bulgarian,
It is true that a lot of Eastern European immigrants are hard-working. However,as many of these immigrants very willingly do the menial low-paid jobs, they are 'entitled' to housing benefit, child benefits and other benefits. So, how does this benefit the Country's economy or the taxpayer!?!!!
Strange how many councils who have employed these eastern europeans because they are cheaper than british workers, then call in the british workers to put right what the eastern europenas have bodged up. Harder workers what a laugh we have a eastern european apprentice thick doesnt describe him and lazy all he does is stand outside smoking all day.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
Horrid little man and obviously as prone to saying the wrong thing as his wife.
Ha! You're presumably speaking about yourself and your fellow politicians John.
It has been said a certain political party allowed immigrants to enter Britain so that the numbers voting for their party would increase. Its nice to know he's jumped ship -well done Bercow.
Bercow has it all wrong.!! They come here for the benefits!! Not for the benefit of Britain.m Get out of office Bercow and take your money grabbing wife with you. To Romania perhaps
Him and his wife surely must be surefire candidates for the worlds biggest 'foot in mouth' award! The pair of them really need to learn to 'engage brain' before opening their mouths. Talk about if they had brains they'd be dangerous! Pair of idiots!!
Lives in cuckoo land!
.DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE ARE TWO USLESS BITS OF SCHITT IN ONE HOUSEHOLD. E U COUNTS FOR 83% OF ALL LAWS ,THEY HAVE TO HAVE HOLS AS THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO,LAYES LOT OF SCHITTS. VOTE UKIP TO BRING THE LAWS BACK HOME. FROM A TRUE BLUE ,VOTE FOR UKIP CLIVE HOVE.
I wouldn't say eastern Europeans are harder working, but I would go as far as saying they do jobs others don't want to do.
Bercow? Just drop the 'ow'.
Enjoying your summer break there mate? How about the best hotels abroad which includes full service. Yeh nice hard work thar. Leading by example I see.
Is there lead paint in their house.I thought it was just his wife that was deluded! It must be environmental.shut up John who cares what you think.
They certainly work harder than MPs.
Perhaps we should have a Polish person instead of him as Speaker.
What he should be saying is, migrants come to the UK and work for the minimum wage making fat cats richer.
How many on his doorstep?
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
On the other hand, one would have to ask Mr Bercow the question, "if all the migrants are far more industrious than the British people, why then are the countries they left behind in such a poverty stricken mess and why are many of them living off the welfare benefits system in England"
Who does this imperious little man think he is? He says that that media coverage does not reflect the views of Parliament. Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that media coverage reflects the views of the people of this country, who incidentally, are paying for your lifestyle, a lifestyle which the vast majority of us can only dream about. Come down off your imperious little perch Burkow and remind yourself that you are only a human being like the rest of us, we already have a Queen.
We no longer have traditional values in our Country. A standard job is either drug dealing or signing on!! The Government has well and truly destroyed it, why should people work hard when their is NO benefit at the end of it?!
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.
The Polish and the Baltic state people were the slave-wage labour. The Romanians and the Bulgarians will be the actual slaves. The Britons can just die off for all the LibLabCon care.
More to the point,who paid for this jaunt to Romania. With his wife's fine to fund perhaps he was looking for tips on scams to get some money. The man is an absolute disgrace and will be jobless after the next election.
I bet all employers will agree, as they love paying lower wages to these migrants. Bercow frankly is pretty awful, and I wonder where his Wife gets it all from?
He and that thing he calls a wife are both foot in mouth specialist when it comes to speaking about issues they know nothing about.
Yet again Mr Bercow is correct.
You may not like what he says, but he is absolutely 100% spot on. Eastern Europeans have a work-ethic instilled in them that is sadly missing in a lot of today's British workers. Unfortunately there is a culture where people want to earn money for as little work as they can get away with. We as a nation, could actually learn a thing or two from our former Eastern-Bloc friends.
He's right in one sense they would all work much harder than John Bercow he is probably one of the laziest persons on this planet. Indeed John Bercow doesn't work he just turns up but in terms of work he doesn't do any and would not know the meaning of the word.
Britains political system needs to be modernised with MP's only allow to be elected for 3 terms in office then they have to get a job.They are all disrepectful to the british public and too big for their boots.
You know these so called politicians have no idea what goes on in the real world. I am sick and tired of people saying we are not hard workers. Everybody I know work bloody hard to make ends meet. Not like those that live in there Ivory Tower at Westminster at the Tax Payers expense. With there massive salaries, perks, pensions etc etc Its wouldnt hurt them to change places with us and just see how hard we work. Every Country have there work shy but the majority of us work bloody hard to look after how families.
Well yes of course it does John. That would explain then why my daughter, while doing her degree in London, was unable to get a part time job because she was undercut by cheaper migrant labour. subsequently she left for Canada where she now has a good job, and her brother has followed her. I would much rather they stayed in England so that we could enjoy family life and grandchildren but that has all been taken away by relentless migration. In your case John "Berk" really is the salient word isn't it!
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
The political elite have for the last 50 years conducted a social experiment where everyone is equal, no one is better than anyone else, everyone knows their rights and entitlements and we have welfare that provides a better income than the average job and a cost of living that is ludicrous. They then open the borders to economic migrants who undercut wages and have the cheek to turn round and call us lazy because we have to live within the system that they created and maybe don't want to live 5 to a room in a bedsit! We also don't have the option to send those relatively low wages back to a country where the value is significantly greater, we live here where it pays for very little.
Actually, this is a lie. Immigrants come to Britain and settle in immigrant hotspots such as London, Birmingham, Manchester. In cities like these, that is where you will find immigrants. The vast majority of the UK is still being run by white English people. Go to the countryside, or other lovely cities where the population is 99% white English, you have English people doing all the menial jobs. So this is a damn outright lie, it is slander. This man should go.
Some do ! But not all of them. The biggest factor is Business !! They are the ones that have benefited most LOWER WAGES !!!! Immigration is the number one issue for all EU countries and it will only get worse !!
This is the same as saying all muslims are terrorists. See how far you'd get if you'd said that Mr. Bercow? When the "thought police" got hold of you your feet wouldn't touch the ground. But to slag off UK workers is ok is it? Idiot.
This statement makes me so angry , British are not lazy , But where can we go to earn a decent wage and send it home to buy a nice home ,If you work hard in Britain all your money is taken in taxes eg. council tax doubled in 10 years , water doubled , and i could go on ........ where can i go for the better life ? Greece ? turkey ,France,all just as bad if not worse .!!
Does he mean benefitted us by scamming our welfare system, bringing crimes here that we never had before, increasing rape attacks and thefts, overloading our hospitals and housing, and camping next to motorways and in people`s garden sheds?
There is a section of the British public to which Bercow's comment applies. they are of course the Welfare Class. However, who made them that way? the answer, naturally, is scumbag politicians like Bercow who wanted to keep the bottom of the barrel sweet without actually doing anything governmental about it. The answer: free money from those of us dumb enough to actually work for a living.
His view of the British is probably tainted by the behaviour of those closest to him, i.e. politicians!
I use to Work in Germany,..(because of Thatcher) When you know your miles Away from Home, you Go for the (QUICK CASH)........ BUT you know it WONT LAST, So you WORK HARD because you KNOW ITS ONLY A TEMPORARY BENEFIT (FIX).............BUT... If he`s Not Happy with British workers..............then which one of the seven Dwarf`s is He??
It is nice to see Mr Bercow talking up our country and British workers like all the traitor class politicians. They only believe in their own greedy self-serving careers.
Hardworking more than the British politicians with their long holidays their self awarding pay rises and short hours
He is just a sad old man in the wrong job too. He and his deputy both need to be removed from their jobs and a decent experienced person voted in to do both jobs. We have had enough of these free loading idiots with their sexual likes and their trough feeding. Replace them both and remove their grace and favour free homes for the positions as well. This is another out of date job related item.
Maybe this little creep, should try working?
Who cares how hard migrants work? Most people work as hard as they need to to achieve their goals and working harder than that is pointless. The reason most economic migrants work hard is that they're filling their boots in a temporary job before heading home, not because they're naturally industrious.
This man is so way out of his depth in every conceivable way.
Bercow is a traitor, and will go to jail.
maybe these 'jolly foreigners ' would make for better politicians?
Bercow has got to be the biggest embarrassment to the Conservative Party that has ever existed,he is unable to see the logic of reduce immigration down to NIL then there will be work a plenty,and those who refuse lose their benefits Bloody Simple unless your name is Bercow.No Comment about his wife" permanently "
To be honest, I know this is unpopular but it is an issue. My sister runs her own dry cleaners with a small team and needed another member of staff. She advertised the position locally and got 44 calls regarding the position. Out of those 44 people, only 3 people went to the shop to pick up an application form. And you guessed it, those 3 people were polish. This country makes it far too easy to sit on your backside taking handouts and I'm sick of working 18 hours per day to pay for it! I'm always hearing "there are no jobs"... The bottom line is if you really want a job, you will find one.
thanks for that Mr Speaker. I'm working 60 hour weeks for next to nothing and big bills to pay, its good to know we are all in this together !! Why don't you take your short stumpy self and your disgrace of a wife and jump in a lake.......preferably a foreign one. Prat.
The Speaker says that media coverage of immigration does not reflect the views of Government and Parliament but I thought the media represented the real concerns many people share about open immigration. So there we have it from one that should know, those in power con/lab/lib are not interested in what the electorate think.
Current Eastern Europeans are slave-wage labour; the Romanians and Bulgarians will be yer actual slaves. Britons will be welfare dependent, and easier to kill.
What he says does seem to have an element of truth but, as he's never done a days work in his life, he's the last person to talk about it.
So much for being faithful to your employer. Had I have done this in my job as a local government officer, I'd have been given my marching orders. Time for him to GO.
If the immigrants are such a benefit to Britain, why is the country still going down the pan? Freeloaders like Berkow and his ilk I presume!
From where did this silly little man come from, with a name like Bercow.?
Migrant workers are most certainly harder workers than MPs .. but I'm a Briton and they are NOT harder working than me. Get stuffed Mr Bercow.
We need to replace ALL of our MPs with East Europeans NOW!
It seems they haven't finished rubbishing the British people just yet! Is it because we wont play ball on the EU and immigration?
Oh yes, those British are lazy - especially those very rich ones who exploit Eastern Europeans to displace Britons. They are so busy thinking of ways to make money dishonestly and dishonourably.
Not a week or month goes by without our glorious MPs bad mouthing the British work force. I have worked my fingers to the bone since the age of 16, I continually update my skill-set, I have paid thousands towards further education as well as running my own business and this odious little rat has the cheek to tell me that I don't work hard as immigrants. I've never read so much rubbish in all my life. It is thanks to the political class that my young nephews who are highly educated and have an excellent work ethic cannot find a job (menial or otherwise). Your government detests its own people it favors immigrants over the native population. If you give a damn about your country and your children's future then you know what to do.
Perhaps we can get some cut price Eastern European Politicians who also would work a lot harder than our PARASITES
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
This man knows nothing about ordinary workers or work places - yes there are some very good hard working immigrants over here, also there are many that have & are a total drag on this Island of what was once ours, over the last 30yrs or more we have been treated & conned by or previous governments, & now they are absolutely in a blind panic at the new revolution looming, then you get the arrogance of what & what they think is defiance against us ordinary people by the horrible liars that are on a sinking ship, we cannot must not vote any of that lot Lib/Lab? Cons in again they have to see how angry we are with their policies & remarks against us,& it seems so stupid to me I ten years or so ago voted for who I thought was best of a horrible bunch!! thank goodness people are listening more to UKIP, I have voted for them for a while, just because of the contempt & disrespect the other parties have made us suffer, now I totally believe Mr Farage is the answer.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down
In some respects he is right. Migrant workers from Eastern Europe will always work harder at fruit picking for instance, over some spotty British teenager, that's why people employ them. However that is not an excuse for more mass immigration. The unemployed of this country will NEVER work as hard as migrants in this type of work because there is no point. They are better off on benefits!
If that comment had been made against a minority it would have resulted in prosecution. But because he is racist to Brits it's ok!! GET A GRIP!
Little boy syndrome . I bet he doesn't speak back to his wife.
useless greedy little man ........................
At the next general election would Conservative voters in his constituancy Of Buckingham please realise that they are being cheated. He is NOT a Conservative. He is a traitor, pretending to be one. So although it is a safe Tory seat, they will have to find a real conservative to vote for. UKIP perhaps?
So it is ok to massively generalise negatively about native residents of Britain but you can't say a thing against any minority even if it is factual - welcome to our fine nation
This man is a real British patriot isn't he. If the british aren't as hard working it is due to the crazy Labour benefits culture, and who got him into his current job.
Massive generalisation! I know Polish who run shops and work very hard, I see others out begging all day. I know Brits who work 60 hours a week and others who do nothing! There aren't enough jobs to go round and the people of this country should be given first refusal and a big training scheme needs to be set up...along with closing the borders for a good few years
Eastern Europeans are being exploited in this country. They displace Britons who become welfare dependent. It's a deliberate ploy. Britons are too stupid (or frightened) to notice that their country is occupied by a foreign power.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
Speak for yourself mr speaker
I don't see any evidence supporting Bercow. The House of Lords immigration report shows that only the immigrants benefit from immigration. When people make statements like this, they should be challenged for justification. I'm fed up with Bercow and his turkey wife, it's time he was replaced with someone, competent, even handed and unburdened with a publicity seeking wife.
And what does this odious person know of the normal person on the street. How can he have the gall to comment from his ivory tower, receiving an enormous salary for part time work plus free palatial living accommodation.
mmm if I or my childless children could get housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit and minimum wage we too would seek this high paid benefit driven work. Unfortunatly we don't as we struggle on just minimum wage!
maybe he'd like to give up his job to them? ...thought not.
Maybe Mr Bercow should learn from his wife and SHUT UP!
Not that he would actually know hard work if it bit him on his parliamentary backside.
Would there not be a furore and accusations of racism if similar comments were made calling immigrants lazy and suggesting Brits were harder working?
Eastern Europeans are slave labour, and have damaged the life-prospects of ALL Britons EXCEPT the likes of Bercow who want them here for their own nefarious purposes.
Yeah you're right... Until the British worker is willing to work in a car wash for £2 an hour and live 16 to 18 people in a terraced house... ...The country will not recover..!!
The Commons Speaker said the arrival of thousands of migrants from Eastern Europe has had great advantages for Britain..........The biggest advantage to these politicians is that if they come to settle here now they would probably be eligible to vote in the referendum in 2017 and vote against leaving the EU.
Bercow in his disillusionment needs to crawl back in his hole, immigrant workers have not benefitted BRITAIN because we are having to keep the rest of them that arrived here with no money, no jobs, and nowhere to live and we are providing these benfits to people who haven't contributed anything whatsoever to our country but are robbing it blind. BRITISH PEOPLE would still be working if it hadn't been for THATCHER and Co privatising and closing industries that were relevant to the country's economy and we now have another tory government that is doing the same. .
To generalise and judge people in this way is utter rubbish. There are hard workers and shirkers in all races and it will alway be that way, no matter where they are from.
Typical Tory, hatred of working classes, through, and through, UKIP, puts us first,
This is an old argument that might have been true once, but not any more.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
The traitor Mandelson admitted that Labour did exactly the same as the traitor Bercow has done - encourage the displacement of British people. That's what the LibLabCon do. Wake up.
Why did he find it necessary to go there and how much did it cost us for this greedy, selfish, small-minded man to go there and insult us? Preparing for another wave of immigrants to keep wages down for the rest of us while he insists MPs need another 10 grand to do the job they are already over paid for? I'm sick of MPs telling us that the British don't work hard and spreading this disgraceful myth and slur about the people they are supposed to represent. REMEMBER, an MP always has an AGENDA. If he's said this, there was a nasty reason behind it. We should be told what it was and real JOURNALISTS should make it their business to find out!
They are cheaper too!!
Says a man who sits in a chair all day shouting order and getting paid loads
Well maybe britons are just sick of being pi&&ed on all the time but this government who take away large amounts of the pittance's we earn. Some people just don't see the point of getting a job and if they are forced into one by the job centre, make a hash of it so they can go back on benefits. I'm not saying that's right or moral, but it's certainly true.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
Bercow isn't really British is he? Certainly not a Christian.
its time for a new political party in the uk time to rid England of the tory labour merry go round
Swivel eyed loon.
Since when did he or his wife know anything about hard work
Another treasonous rat - you can tell that he doesn't have to deal with his children being held back because half or more of the class can barely speak English; be treated as a foreigner in his own country, see crime rates in his area soar as the incomers go through areas like locusts, have difficulty accessing healthcare because the system is now overwhelmed by numbers. Yes, undoubtedly some ARE hard-working, but many more are not, and quite how this idiot can see millions of pounds pouring out of the nation's economy as benefiting the UK just beggars belief.
The LibLabCon has decided that far too many Britons are getting too uppity and must be reminded that they are lazy and don't deserve their own country and that it must be handed over to third-worldesque Eastern Europeans.
If these people work harder than us how come their countries are not booming and us lot trying to go to their country. They live in a third world manner and only come here for our benefit system.
So let's have a Polish Commons Speaker. It would be a change to have somebody polite and unassuming doing this little man's job.
Are these the sort of people we have in power.Why do they keep on violating the laws of discrimination against the British taxpaying people and not punished for it.l know what would happen if this was the other way round,where if a British taxpayer said the immigrants are lazy and scroungers,they would be marched straight to court."But",it seems these people in power have the right to break the laws they have enforced.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
THE MAN IS A RAVING LOONEY HE IS IN THE WRONG PARTY.
OYYY, BERCOW, just so you know, I have always worked hard and paid taxes to keep the benefits system going, just to pay for the immigrants who come here and claim for children in there own country, and YOU don't even check up to see if the child exists. To pay for them to get a free university study where as our children have to pay. To pay for them to get free NHS treatment while British people are pushed to the back of the queue and left on a trolley in the corridor. Need I go on. I hate to think what this country will be like by the time your term in government is finished.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
The LibLabCon's job is to encourage the in-va-sion of Britain. We know this already, that's why we are sending it to the trashcan of history (and jail, hopefully).
we really need a new peoples party this man works for you, if you spoke about your boss like this how would you be treated.
I wonder how he'd feel if an immigrant applied for his job and got it!
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
At last,the truth that dare not speak its name..........not gone down well with the 'phobes has it?,but then the truth never does.
This is what politicians think of the British worker is it.
Perhaps they do when it involves a gullible MP like you, Bercow, that they hope is going to help them stay in the country , but I had to relay the pathway they laid down by some such myself because they were too lazy to do a proper job even after being called back for a second chance! And the front gardens of two of the homes lived in by immigrants I can see from my bedroom windows are absolute tips,when compared to those of the rest of us. what with untended overgrown hedges multiple derelict cars and old bits of timber chipboard covering the drive torn up by their "building" work vehicles! How many live like that in the Palace of Westminster John??
With idiots like this spouting about the benifits of immigrants in the UK are handing UKIP more and more votes Bercow go and ask the people in the street what people think of you and your out of touch comments
How the hell would John Bercow know what hard work is?
'Migrants are harder workers than Britons'. For that matter Foxconn workers in China often work 12 hours a day at fast pace and sleep in the factory, this is just one example among many and not even the worst. Instead of ensuring that workers' rights are respected everywhere both for respect of human rights and to avoid unfair competition elites like a race to the bottom for native common people. At the same time there is a welfare system that often rewards laziness and rules that defend bureaucrats and other protected categories. In Italy the mantra of almost all politicians and media is: "Immigrants do the jobs that Italians do not want to do anymore". Thanks to this excuse the hourly wage for many jobs, especially low-skilled ones, is now about 4£ and working condition in most cases are getting worse.
What a slimy little creep Bercow is, the man whose name is one syllable too long.
I am afraid he looks at this from a rather blinkered angle. It is true that migrants take many of the unattractive and low paid jobs, but that is more because they can afford to live off much lower wages. The indigenous population has to try and run a home and possibly a family, which cannot be done on some of these low paid jobs. Bercow might want to take into account how these immigrants live - many people sharing houses to lower overheads. A farmer near me had Lithuanians and Russians picking veg - I think that they packed something like 16 people into a 4 nbedroom house. Sure British people could do that, but would you expect them to do so while bringing up a family? Not so long ago the British were being lauded as the hardest workers in Europe and putting in the longest hours!!
Read all about Bercow on wikipedia. When are the English going to cotton on that they are being replaced in their own homeland on purpose? Wake up!!! It's not some dreadful mistake by the clumsy new Labour govt.
Yes some of them will benefit this country but we have far too many and too many just taking benefits which a lot of our unemployed youngsters can't even get. Moderation in all things and in immigration we are being sunk.
That's what the LibLabCon is all about: going to the third-worldesque Eastern Europe, and encouraging their people to in-vade Britain. Mandelson admitted it as well. In 2010, there was a chance for people in Buckingham to throw Bercow out and install Nigel Farage in Westminster - but they thought they knew better. Well, you get what you deserve, and I expect that Buckingham is full of in-vad-ers.
Walter in Stuttgart you have sunk your OWN argument. HOW can Farage be xenophobe AND married to a german. How does that work. You are talking complete bosch
Brits are lazy and that is a fact
Thank you Mr. Bercow. Every time you and your ilk open your mouths it is another 10k votes for U.K.I.P.
Bercow. accommodated in taxpayer-funded luxury in the Palace of Westminster, does not have to live with these immigrants.
And who built up these British Companies, it wasn't the flaming Eastern Europeans it was hard working Brits. It's been widely noticed that once the honeymoon period is over the Eastern Europeans are no more hard working than any other person, in fact my husband has had to let them go, because they turn up drunk the next day or hide so they can skive while others do the work. We are being led up the garden path on this one, cheaper labour is not the best labour. Our successive Governments have peed all over the British People from high in the last 16 years, we should not take this rubbish anymore, we are hardworking, the powers that be are just trying to brainwash you into thinking you are useless, I am voting UKIP I've had enough of the people in charge telling me I don't work as hard as the Eastern Europeans. The pigs at the trough that run this country are the ones that don't work hard, and they created the benefits culture, which a hell of a lot of Eastern Europeans now claim.
I don't normally agree with him, but as an employer, he is spot on. British workers are strictly, (strictly!) 8:30-5:30pm, with the only exception being lawyers and those working in bars and coffee shops, but even then, most of those who are willing out of regular hours workers are as the man says, immigrants. The Brits I have hired have mostly been lazy, rude and most depressingly, untrustworthy and dishonest. I hired Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish when in London, and they were: a) Incredibly polite. b) Very hard working. c) Honest. d) Significantly more reasonable and intelligent. e) Able to drink me under the table.
Comments from one of the biggest "takers' in government, who has probably never done a days work in his life ! "Poisonous little dwarf" !
Well when you look at the holidays and perks of the normal MP , my pet snail that push starts 747's works harder. . Out of touch
Bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?
So do these people just get their finger out when the monetary gain is greater? Curious as to why such hard workers haven't changed the fortunes of their native countries.
I dont think its my right to sit on my bum all day. However i do believe that no matter what job you have, what position you are in society, the fact is we are all slaves. Slaves to our workplaces. These work places rule what you do, when you do it, how much you have, how many times you can be sick in a year, amongst other things. Work is slavery. but we all need it as if we didnt then life wouldnt exist as we know it. but just so people know. at no point did i choose to be born into a society that FORCES its people to work out our short lives paying tax and working 9-5 just so that when we do reach retirement age.... well your in such a state you cant do anything anyway so you have just wasted your life.. fun eh?
How loyal of you!
Speaker John Bercow says arrival of Eastern Europeans has benefited Britain Which is a darn sight more than he has ever done.
Presumably Farage will stand as a candidate for Buckingham in 2015? Thought not.
and how would he know? I would guess he has never even met an eat European migrant.,
I can't stand him or his wife BUT there is some truth about it , thats why our care homes are staffed by Philippines people .
This is a propagandist myth that has been pounded into the public consciousness to justify the forced redundancy of the British workforce. Of course, greedy employers, who have been able to increase their profits by employing cheap migrant labour, have also willingly participated in the denigration of British workers and, by implication, British people as a whole. The politicians, employers and left wing advocates of the destruction of the British workforce disgust me. For God's sake people, stop voting for the professional con artists who pose as mainstream politicians. Vote anything but Lib/Lab/Con. They are all a bunch of self serving, anti=British traitors.
The man is a total balloon just like the rest of them.
means cheaper labour than local and keep their mouths shut and accept poor working conditions.
Why doesn't this awful little free loader and his lanky wife keep their mouths shut, He needs to get in the real world there are more eastern european criminal gangs in the UK than we are aware of, and with comments like that we can expect more. I am not saying all eastern europeans are criminals but eventually we will see that not all eastern europeans are hard working tax payers.
Coming from a MP which has the same holidays as school children (and then some) he cannot really talk.
Berc ow by nature - berc by name
This man is evidence that mps have no interest in GB. They have over the years put in place the systems that a large chunk of our population would rather lie in bed on benefits than work. Migrants come here for what they can get out of our system because their own systems give them next to nothing and still politicians do nothing but tinker with our inadequate benefit culture instead of putting in place a system that would make work a better option to benefits. Bercow has stood in front of a Romanian parliament and told them what he thought they would like to hear perhaps he should have told them how our jails are full to bursting with migrant criminals how the migrant workers are made to work for low wages because they are controlled by organised crime. Get your head out of your rectum bercow see the real world instead of living in a world that encourages corruption and self interest that you and your cronies have created .
This is unacceptable behaviour for a Speaker, they are supposed to be impartial on all subjects - which we know from past experience, Berkow is not! Perhaps his latest biased outburst is prompted by his own Eastern European heritage, his paternal Grandparents were Romanian immigrants...need I say more? How this incompetent weasel of a man and his gobsmackingly embarrassing wife remain in such a privileged position remains a daily enigma.
And how would he know?when was the last time he worked on a factory floor with these people.Some are good workers but lots are shirkers,if you dont believe me Mr burk ow come have a week with me.
I thought that the speaker was non politicial . Well at least we know who he stands up for . And it is not the British ??????????????????????????????
What's it got to do with this idiot and his opinions. Go away with your fool of a wife
Why would somebody ask his opinion ? why is his opinion of any relevance and why would it be important enough to print in a national newspaper ? This is John Berscow making comment, we really have lost the plot DM.
how would he know never haveing done a days work in his life,tony blairs parting gift to cameron,who has not got the bottle to throw him out.
Well that certainly rattled a few cages didn't it? He's not entirely wrong either. Grief, doesn't Farage look disgusting, now that is an odious man.
it wa s the people who belong here here that worked the fields 50 years ago also the irish worked hard in the fields all the jobs are being taken over by immigrants jeancoulter london
This idiot should visit Lincolnshire,we have a very big problem with Polish shops selling illegal vodka,illegal cigarettes,the drink driving accidents caused by migrants is through the roof,where has this idea come from that they are harder workers than British people,I have first hand knowledge of their work ethic and I can tell you they know the system better than any British person I know and they certainly take out more than they put in.This area has been ruined by this huge influx ,how does he know this,sounds like a conservative towing the party line to me
Bercow is only stating what Farage and all the others wishing to leave the EU believe. They do not want to leave the EU to stop immigration because that brings wages down. They want to leave the EU to get rid of employment rights for the same reason they don't want to curb immigration.
HE WOULDNT BE SAYING THAT IF THEY TOOK HIS JOB!
As Mr Bercow is speaker, and politically neutral, why on earth is he visiting Romania and speaking in their parliament...he does not speak for our government and should not have been allowed to do this. No matter how hard working these people are, we are full, and it isn't up to him to encourage them to come...unspeakable, just like the labour party who signed up to this. He should resign or we should remove him from his sinecure.
When's the last time you got your hands dirty Berk...Oops, let me rephrase that !
He knows them all personally? What an idiot this creature is!
After reading up about Bercow's career history, it seems to me that he has always been a left wing socialist with a plan to infiltrate the Conservative Party. And now he is showing left wing bias as Speaker, when this is supposed to be a neutral position. And he's getting away with it.
What a ridiculous sweeping statement based on his opinion - perhaps Bercow and his gobby wife can foot the crippling NHS bill along with the cost of interpreters and translators oh,and the housing benefits being paid out, after this he can wave a magic wand and create school places ............ we'll send them round to your gaff Bercow
I've got an idea folks, why don't we all sit back and let all the migrants work and keep us on benefits?
Immigrants are great for the elite - cheap nanny's, cheap servants to do the chores. Not perhaps so good for our young people who can't get the sort of "first jobs" they used to - hotels, shops, restaurants etc. - the flood of unskilled immigrants have taken all of those. That is the reality Mr. Bercow.
Bercow is a politician ,the definition of politics is POLY--- MANY TICS -----BLOOD SUCKING PARASITES Now do you understand
They're only harder workers if their supervisor is watching them with eyes like a hawk!
His comments are accurate and he is entitled to his view, but he is still out of his depth as Speaker, especially with the baggage he carries in the form of his stupid wife. Both have demeaned the position. Labour brought him in as a childish spite stunt, surely the government can remove him and restore the dignity of the role to its pre Mick Martin days.
Bu 11 sh 1t
Thats very true !!!!!
Good point, John: now zip it and allow one of these hard workers to have your job because you are not up to it! Come to think of it: maybe these hard working migrants might care to stand for election to the Commons and displace the rest of the venal shower masquerading as 'honourable' Members of Parliament?!
So which political interest group is Bercow trending now? **innocent face**
He is only being a good little boy and following orders. Perhaps its because David has promised him a vote on Euro, IF IF IF IF IF IF, David is extremely fortunate and beats UKIP.
It is clear that the midget has not learnt from his wife's ill chosen utterances! What a pillock. He should not be in the job!
all I can say when I am served by Eastern Europeans in restaurants they are rude and not pleasant. Before they came, we had British waitresses and waiters, they did the job well enough so why import labour. Oh yes I know, to keep the wages down. Prezzo is a chain that must only employer eastern europeans, if you go into any of their restaurants that is the only people that serve you. What about local people doing the job for reasonable wages, not for buttons.
Then maybe we could have some better politicians then, as the ones we have now are lazy and useless. And anyone who sticks up for his comments are disrespectful to the British people. Comments like this from our politicians really anger me, the sooner they go the better
When are we going to get anyone in politics who stands up for the british? Yet another reason for supporting UKIP!
Right Bercow this guy is,Has not worked out they are not wanted by the people who own this country,You are part of the Government which is charged with the Job of doing what your Employers want,thats right you are in office not to do what you want, But what the people want,So just get on with the job you are overpaid to do.
l have worked hard all my life,right from the age of 15 and payed my taxes.l now feel betrayed by the system,where l lost all my financial side of things and suffer my many ailments brought on by severe stress.How many have come here to go on the benefit system and work at the same time,while no taxes have been payed into the system and no NHS contributions.The money they receive is then sent over to their country of origin.Would you class this as fair,honest and hard working.l wouldn't
Yes but you have to remember the reasons why they seem harder working. Why should someone get out of a nice warm bed to go and work in a cold wet field when they can get enough money from the government to afford not to? To the immigrant the wage rates for mundane jobs are much higher here than their own country whereas to someone from here they are just as well off not bothering. Isn't this what IDS is trying to sort out.
"The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.- Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:3" A "dinghy" pub? What, you mean one that floats at sea? If you could actually spell and use the English language correctly, then your post would have more chance of being taken seriously. (Just in case you still don't get the point, a "dinghy" is a small boat.) On a separate note, having worked in NYC (Manhattan) for a year, it never failed to amaze me just how many US staff seemed to make a career of walking around the office all day, waving bits of paper, but doing little else. Just saying...
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
The Gov has destroyed this country and traditional values - why should we retain thetraditional value of hard work.
Now what about a Romanian as new speaker, cheaper and more hard wordking than Bercow (that wouldn't ask for much !)
He and his daft wife don't spoil a pair, do they?
I think what he says is rubbish, it is just an excuse to not pay Brits the wages we expect to earn. I know of any immigrants that work harder than Brits, the ones I know of play hooky, slack on the job, the crime in the workplace goes up and the hygiene of the toilets goes downhill. The employers want to pay peanuts, and the immigrants will accept it, that is the truth.
He is right, they are harder workers. They are the people in the UK doing most of the unskilled and back breaking work. You don't see a Pole working in a shop or any customer based jobs do you? They doing hard, manual work and they don't complain about it. I work in an office, i sit down most of the day, i have a brew when i want and i do a fair bit of work but people I work with still moan. These guys are working non-stop for the whole day with a couple of breaks and they just get on with it. Show me a Brit who is prepared to pick fruit and veg for eight hours a day? They won't do it because if they would be prepared to there wouldn't be such a demand for migrant workers. You all blame foreigners for everything when its the lazy brits you need to be angry at.
Believes his own propaganda....wife paid her bill yet ?
He is a stupid man. Yesterday, I was talking to a young lady in my local who was eating her lunch. I got there for coffee in the mornings and to read some of the newspapers. She works behind the bar. I said Are you on your lunch hour, Daisy? She said no we do not get one of those here. I said how long are you working today and she said from 10am until 11pm. And that is on just over £6.00 an hour. She is English. But most of the people I see working there are not. And they work these long hours as the pay is so crap. But I do not think that it is right as it is against Health and Safety to not have a lunch break. And all the pubs are doing it now. No lunch. And crap money. So when Mr Belcrow comes out with this nonsense may be he would like to go work in a pub all day and not get a lunch break. He has basically no clue what is going on in his own country.
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
Golly, what a twit, but that's tories for you. Still, when I claw back all that fuel allowance from rich, fat pensioners, we'll be in clover for evermore.
The gypsies we have around here in central london work very hard at begging, stealing and messing up our beautiful parks. Work hard indeed.
He wouldn't know a hard days work if it slapped him in the face. Cheeky git. VOTE UKIP.
The duty of government is to encourage it's own people to work. not find it easier to import the labour from other nations.
John Bercow and his wife have at least one thing in common. They both open their mouths before engaging their brains. I doubt John Bercow has ever done or is likely to do a hard days work in his life.
Bercow is just trying to excuse what has been done to the British people over the last sixty years, by talking up the 'benefits' of immigration. He is a true example of our ruling political elite, contemptuous of the ordinary person in the street and convinced of his own wonderfulness.
This odious little dwarf and his equally odious and vacuous wife are a disgrace to their country. The several million hardworking Britons who really keep this country up and running have been under attack from traitorous parasites like bercow for too long who, like the bulk of our political class, seem incapable of visiting foreign countries without rubbishing their own and its inhabitants. He should be removed from his post and ideally publically flogged.
Vote UKIP and free our country!
You should ask all the british construction workers who have to clean up the errors of these Europeans. Health & Safety means nothing to them, but of course its still our fault if something goes wrong.
I may be controversial here, but Hey, it's what I have seen first hand! When the first wave of workers came over from Poland, the experience at my company was that Yes, they worked very hard and were very willing. However, increasingly, we have found that as each new "wave" arrives, they are far less hard working - lazy, in some cases - and also very insolent, moody and prone to insubordination. Since there is hard evidence how much money is sent "back home", whilst they pay tax, etc., one has to question just how much money stays within the UK economy, unlike with UK nationals who both live and work in the UK. Another example: the hairdresser my wife goes to is staffed largely by Eastern Europeans. One guy, who my wife thought was a very good hairdresser, was only there for a couple of months. When she asked why he left so quickly, the salon owner said he had come to the UK mainly for NHS treatment and had now "gone home"!!!
How does he know?
He going to get away with what he has said while the immigration madness continues. Nothing's going to change.
Two points, Who paid for this trip to go to the Romanian parliament, British taxpayer is my guess. and when Mr Berkow states that media coverage did not reflect the views of parliament, that's is not what is at stake here, it's the view of the other sixty five million other people in the country that count.
What a pair of clowns Berkow and his wayward spouse. They would not know what hard work was.
"Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.- Keith , Midlands" - Nice one - Total agreement.
His kind of right.
Reply to Ted 1078.......... what has football / soccer got to do with the article about John Bercow ?
The voters in his constituency had a chance to get rid of him and vote in Farage. What a message that would have sent to the political establishment that despise us. Instead the idiots voted LibLabCon as usual.
then we should replace our MPs with eastern Europeans as well, maybe they would work a full year for less wages and give value for money
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You are a complete moron !!!!
What has happened to the House of Commons Speakers, first we have Glasgow Mick then Bercow both political appointments and traded between Conservatives and Labour. For to long its been a faux pas in the higher circles to believe in your Country.
Ok then Berk-ow let some Eastern European chap do YOUR job on the gravy train. Got to be cheaper and more dignified than your train wreck of a wife.
He was obviously referring to himself.
What a silly little man with a silly little view of the world. We are no worse and in many cases better than any other workers in the world. He should stick to sorting his own house out before commenting in such general terms on the people who provide him with work although sitting in a chair all day is stretching the concept.
The poison dwarf of British politics. Gutless leadership now leaves GB facing a tsunami of Romanian and Bulgarian unemployed, with the EU stating they will be entitled to all benefits.
The guy is an idiot but sometimes idiots, even unwittingly, tell the truth. Eastern Europeans are hard workers and their kids will be totally integrated UK citizens. Can we say that about all our immigrants, including the non-EU ones which are Britains sole responsibility?
words fail me ,this man is lower than a snakes belly
What a generalistic comment, don't tar everyone with the same brush Bercow you idiot, I have worked for 31 years with the prospect of another 20 years in fromt of me. Don;t you dare tell me I don;t work hard !
Has this parasite ever done a proper day's work in his life? Typical of our traitor politicians, doing their best to talk down our country and displace the natives with mass immigration.
Its up to the voters in Buckingham to vote him out please, please vote him out
Oh, for those calling this man a Tory, he actually has Labour sympathies. They are all as bad as each other, nowadays.
You only have to look at what is being spent on welfare benefits I rest my case on that British are lazy
Why don't we get a Migrant in as Speaker then and kick him out of his cushy number. How can any MP dare to criticise the British worker from their subsidised palace. Why is he going round visiting Romania anyway? What must the Romanians think of us when he turns up toadying around them.
I have worked with a lot of migrants half were even more lazy than the brits and the other half were just trying to get a years work in so they could claim off the state and work cash in hand!!
well in a way he's right because when I used to get kids coming on work experience they were a night mare that was when they finally arrived, everything was too much trouble to do, they kept saying they wouldn't work for the minimum wage and all they wanted to was mess about on their mobiles, in the end I told my employers I didn't want any more of them.
I have thought for years that the british government both labour and tories, along with quangos and those people who do surveys whether we are being charged too much and find we never are [but we know we are] dislike, infact hate the british people. this has now been confirmed.
So the jobs go to migrants and the benefits are collected by the British. Sounds logical.
I do not have a problem with people from eastern Europe they do not blow us up on Busses Planes and Trains as others do who we are not to talk about as we may offend them.
I find this type of statement from our so called politicians (who by the way are accountable to the BRITISH people) very annoying and frustrating as I spent 40 years working in various industries in the UK and can honestly say that all my British working collegues always went that extra mile to achieve results so Bercow don't lable us hard working Brits as a bunch of scivers!
What a very silly man. Time he went. Perhaps he should try getting a job on minimum wage nowadays, when there is so much competition from these migrants. Politicians don't understand just how bad the impact is for most people from migrants, because they don't live in the real world. There are companies out there who will only take on migrants, and this kind of talk just encourages discrimination. Time someone stood up for the UK man in the street!
2 milllion Brits are forever looking for a job.Eastern-Europeans come and get a job within days.How comes?
Not harder workers,Cheaper workers is what he meant to say.
Why do this countries Politicians hate it's people so much¿ if wasn¿t for 'people' like Bercow and mass immigration the true British wouldn¿t be so disenfranchised.  
resign!! just resign !!
Okay posh boy, lets have a migrant doing your cushy job, we all know they'll do a better job than you.
Typical leftie communist, out to destroy our country, him and his revolting wife make a right pair!
Insults and ridicule! That's a sure fire way to win the populace over, not. Just who is this idiot working for? I agree with you John Graham, Hailey 8:06 I too would like to see the evidence of economic prosperity immigration has supposedly brought here.
The slimey backstabbing arrogant multifaceted twit. I work hard, my colleagues work hard. We pay our taxes to keep him in his grace and favour abode. The very OVERPAID imbecile!!!!!
There is no doubt that an Eastern European Speaker would be preferable to our present one. Come to think of it, anybody would be an improvement on Mr Twerp!
He is right. All you right ring moaners should take a leaf out these hard working people and get a job yourselves instead of leaving your comments on here. The Eastern Europeans are hard working and law abiding. So it's fine for us to moan but still have holiday homes all over Europe, no wonder most other countries don't like us. Idiots who have narrow minded opinions about immigrants are the same idiots that give the rest of us a bad name, I am glad they are here if you don't like it live somewhere else instead. Deal with it, they are here to stay.
Because the wages are cheaper and they send most of their money back home to build a future there not here and hardly speak a word of English, oh and while we are at it, is there not a case on this very page involving three women from a hospital who cruelly treated patience, they came from overseas....Yes there is Mr Berk .Ps and yes there are the few overseas people that do work hard in this country...We are overloaded with people ..pps yes and there are also a lot of lazy brits ..
This is a severe kick in the teeth to all British born workers who have been priced out of a job..........!
And EVERYONE in work, rergardless of their origins, works harder than you do you parasitic, useless little pr***.
...and he works at what exactly?
After a long line of respectable and dignified House Speakers - but typical of the downward trend in respectability at Westminster overall - the mould was broken when the admirable Betty Boothroyd retired. Her successors, first Martin and now Bercow, have brought the high office of Speaker into disrepute and shame. That Bercow has a vulgar, attention-seeking wife in tow, drags it down even further.
This man is as thick a plank as his wife and I agree with alyjas of Wakefield - wouldn't know hard work if it jumped up (doesn't need to be far) and bit him on the behind. Try telling this to the people of Boston (Lincs) who now feel outsiders in their own town.
Shouldn't Bercow have taken a tip from the actions of Silly Sally and keep his stupid thoughts to himself. The British are sick of being insulted by the likes of this man, only in his position because of a puerile act from Labour who knew the Conservatives did not want him. That is the sort of juvenile idiots who make our laws. Yes, Cameron should have got rid of him, but when Cameron do the right thing ?
What does he know about hard work, probably thinks manual labour is a Spaniard.
Harder working than him maybe !
I work in hospitality and can hand on heart say the Eastern Europeans ARE the hardest workers. I just don't know if the same applies elsewhere!
Honestly this guy is a complete buffoon, how he is voted as a representation of a constituency is beyond me. He is a true representation of what is wrong with politicians.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34----------------------------------and for us Brits it reads....I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their backsides in some pub drinking ale all day, while watching football. They are a drain on society,blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Jock Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States
Reveals the true attitude of the ruling classes. We ordinary folk should let people walk over us with boots on and then apologise for getting in the way.
you live on £6 a hr and see what you think, you plonker
Mr Bercow could do himself a great service if only he would keep his mouth shut.
The total scant regard of the British people by our so called Political elite staggers me at times. They are so out of touch and will not listen to the consensus that they are not fit for purpose
Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.
The country haven't seen any benefit from him or his wife just debt.
He and his wife are the most odious pair and should both disappear to Eastern Europe if that is his opinion. Some of the ones already here are pick pocketing in towns and cities, mugging, etc. Try reading the papers idiot.
Yes let's get some foreign politicians because our lot are useless lazy idiots
you want to look at yourself your job is not that hard none of you Tories have had a job in your lives
This speaker has always been a problem in his Job, he should not be airing his views and should be TOTALLY NEUTRAL. How can this man possibly give fair assessment in parliament when he is not totally impartial. He should be replaced, not just becaus eof this but because this is one of many immoral acts that this man (and his wife) has performed over the years. HE THINKS HE IS UNTOUCHABLE as the speaker. Lets get him sorted out. As Nigel Farage says, he is a disgrace to the British People.
so this means he puts all Brits in the same category???? I am NOT workshy and never have been and have also worked with eastern Europeans a lot and yes they do work hard but no more than what I do. its all good and well making a statement like this but he should have got his facts right first. I agree a lot of Brits are work shy but so are the Europeans coming over to claim benefits that I YES ME and other hard working brits pay for.
take his job off of him and give it to sn eastern European
Yes that may be true because a lot of the immigrants are less obese, taller, fitter and living as single guys over here with no mortgage to pay. It's like a holiday job for them and they live in groups mostly men behaving badly and a lot partying at night and wooing all the females they can find. They work excessively and at speed because their families are back home mostly and nothing to rush home for at the end of the working day. I admire the work ethic and their fitness but they are making our employment problems worse and our own unemployed get daily more depressed and more out of condition. A relative of mine recently took a minimum wage job after 5 months unemployed and found he could not get any help with his private rent and it was a month before he got paid! This pitches single workers into debt right away..there is no fnancial assistance until they have been unemployed for 6 months..strange philosophy to penalise people for getting a job sooner rather than later?
Yes folks, vote for any of the Lib/Lab Contrick parties and what you get is Monster Screaming Raving Loony notions.
Harder workers or not, they do work hard overall. In my experience of working in an increasingly Eastern European workplace, I found them hard working and prepared to put in extra hours most other employees would shy away from. On top of a full time job most would quite often have a second job, or be studying at college, usually English. I think it was a very sweeping and unnecessary statement to make, but some of these migrants are more hardworking than English born citizens. I'm not saying all are as honest as the ones I've come across, but then again, some British play the welfare system too.
Well with a name like Bercow - he would say that, wouldn't he? When did he drop the Z in his name?
They are LAZY
Thank you , for acknowledging hard work, Sir. Most of the time these so called ''immigrants'' get work is because the lax lazy white boys and gals who DM will like to lable as''our people'' do not want to work...be honest Bless all serve all.......We are all one in this universe requiring each others help and guidance at all times Amen
He's a talentless fool, and his wife's a talentless fool!!!
Yeah - well come and live down my road then. And see the benefits of MASS immigration first hand. Live life like I have to, and then you will surely see the error of what you have said. Just another out of touch politician who's stupid comments do not reflect the average person on the street. OF COURSE you think its good, you have not been touched by the negatives of mass immigration like the rest of us. Just another politician showing how out of touch he is with the rest of us.
Because its impossible to find work for most Britons due to migrants. If you took away people who weren't born in the UK, unemployment would steadily increase. You just need to look at Australia to realise. Red Arrow me, but it's the truth.
Romanian parliament didnt we see them camping out in the middle of london recently
Why would you choose to empty Portable Toilets, clean-up after Festival, Race-goers and the weekend spewers when you can sit back and watch those with a work ethic doing these jobs? Just a pity that the DM finds this odious man worthy of a quote.
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It is obvious that all he is wanting to do is cause some deflection from his wife's shenanigans. This is a man who was put in this position by liebour, whose wife is a liebour supporter, and a person who would say anything to ensure he got his name into print. Papers should just ignore him he is a little man trying to fill a big office and failing. It is a fervent hope of mine that come the General Election on May 7th 2015 he fails to get enough votes and forfeits his deposit.
Total BS. I have lived in Poland for some time and from what I have seen here, most of them wouldn't have lasted a day at the places where I used to work. Even other Poles comment on how slow most Manuel workers are here. In the local news paper they even had a series of articles taking the 'P' out of some workers who were putting in new sewer pipes, because the job was going so slowly they even included pictures of them standing around doing nothing. And let's not mention the attitude of service staff, although I have seen some improvement in this area.
What chance has this country got when its own politicians are against there own people? Solution vote UKIP
What he means is they work for half the pay,which makes the employers happy.And then Brits cant get a job.Then the same politicians call them lazy.
Who was paying for this visit to Bucharest - presumably the British taxpayer? Why on earth was he visiting the Romanian parliament and in what way could it possibly be relevant to his job?
This is incorrect. Some people work hard, others do not. It varies from person to person. It has nothing to do with nationality. The fact that we have so many, many foreign based criminal enterprises across our nation shows the weakness in system.
What would this pompous idiot know about ordinary life peering down on the plebs from his ivory tower
Oh and i have been pitted against E Europeans for the last 20 years and not one has been faster than me
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Can Romania keep him
For the last 4 years I have worked as a self employed financial agent working on a commission basis only - the company is desperate for new agents to date no Eastern European has applied ,is it because they can not work HARD enough on a commission only basis?
Oh my god shut up you stupid man. It doesn't effect you in your posh house on your posh street. Try living in east London when you are the only English speaking person on a full bus. Feels great..
What and overbearing, pompous, obnoxious, fool. If he thinks that all Eastern Europeans are hard workers he is sadly deluded. The Eastern Europeans that will go to Britain will be the ones that can't and won't get a job and just live off benefits. They have very little or no recognized skills and are renowned for poor quality workmanship. Birk-cow should be graising in a field with the rest of his bovine friends. I know for a fact that most of the people that left the Czech Republic for Britain are gypsies and the word WORK is not in their vocabulary.
What a cheek this man has. We have a right to a break whilst working, it is something that we British fought for. I think if Mr Bercow thinks the Eastern Europeans work harder he should get himself into one of the many kitchen's in one of the many restaurants in London, they work 18 hour days running 5 or more consecutively this is something the Eastern Europeans can not cope with and many leave. Mr Bercow "ORDER ORDER" now that is a difficult job !
What right does someone in USA have to comment on how the British work!! nyc USA!!!
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester........How about one of the 7 dwarves in a Christmas pantomime and his gobby wife as an usherette.
That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic- jestaudio , birmingham, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 08:03 Of course, to your mind, this couldn't possibly apply to any immigrant, could it? Oh no, there are no unemployed immigrants in this country, just as there is no cheap labour taking the place of Britons (and making them unemployed) who have to survive at our high cost of living. Oh no, that couldn't be the case because well off people who employ them for peanuts keep telling us how wonderful they are.
hahaha not all britons, some yes. Especially anyone in government who lets face it, are only slightly above our feckless scroungers in terms of how much (or little) they contribute.
What on earth is Berkow doing in Romania in the first place? The role of Speaker is to oversee the workings of the House of Commons - in London, England! He is NOT a branch of the Foreign Office. If his comments have a grain of truth, it is because Socialsim (as espoused by his missus) has provided a life of ease for the feckless, which many have been happy to exploit. Remove the Benefits and you would be amazed how many would be willing to work hard if starvation beckoned!
Bercow's words merely reflect the agenda of the politicial class, they hold the British people in contempt, while milking us dry, they tell us we are lazy, racist, and traduce us at every opportunity. They are using mass immigration, cultural replacement and social engineering to replace us with a nation more in keeping with their Frankfurt School inspired agenda.
IDIOT!! It has had NO benefit at all! These people are used to working for low wages, in line with their countries lower costs of living! All it has done for British people is drive the wages even lower than they were before!
Around %30 of the ones i know are drug dealers
This man and his wife are a disgrace to British life. I don't know how he keeps his job. Every MP should vote to sack him, not to mention his assistant.
Does anybody care, or believe what this absolute wally says? He and his wife should get out of Westminster, and find proper jobs like everyone else has to. Complete and utter idiots, both of them.
I expect they are harder workers than John Bercow & his wife.
Partly true but a mainly deluded man. Look who he married.
.Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. - Semolina Pilchard, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 7:48 For all you out there who love to complain when Americans, and certain others, call ¿Football¿, ¿Soccer¿, you should know that it was the British that invented the word and it was also one of the first names of what we now primarily know of as ¿Football¿. In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was ¿Soccer¿. Not only that, but the sport being referred to as ¿Soccer¿ preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word ¿Football¿ by about 18 years. This happening when it became more popular with the middle and lower class. When that happened, the term ¿Football¿ gradually began dominating over ¿Soccer¿ and the then official name ¿Association Football¿.
I have no problem whatsoever with skilled English speaking migrants coming to this country from anywhere. The classic Polish builder is a well known example of how hard working and talented they can be. What I do have a problem with is the government not having a clue who is here, letting anyone and everyone squander our NHS rescources and finally, having to allow thousand of migrants in who have no skills and don't speak the language. Anyone listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning???
What a plonker...I used to buy into the mantra of the lazy British worker until I lived in France....now they really are lazy....British workers are generally hard working and if you want a job done properly 9 times out of 10 it behoves you to have a Brit worker. This little worm Bercow needs to go, he is an embarrassment and an ignorant jumped up nobody!
Did not make a success in their own countries ,same people
Red arrow me as much as you want but he is right migrants are harder workers than british workers!
Jock strap, Greenwich Village, NYC, United States. The Americans think its their birthright to own a house at any cost and look at the fine mess that created economically around the world People in glass houses and all that!
Is he not the same person who has a nanny working for him that is paid by a taxpayer. If he can't clean his shoes on his own he shouldn't criticise others. What does Mr Speaker do in his job besides sit like a dummy in parliament?
There is a certain truth in what he says - ask any cabbage farmer in East Anglia BUT, he is still an idiot!
He was probably comparing them to his wife!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree
Berkow with his dippy wife are a couple of complete idiots - time to go!!!
Lock him up
Remarkable how patriotic our leaders are. How moral and incorruptible. How hard-working and competent. We plebs are truly blessed.
What would he know about hard work.
New World Order goes marching forwards and upwards!
he has more days off then a pregnant duck himself but he is British too so that explains why he took the easy way
That is probably because the EU and our government have emotionally battered the British people into NON SELF BELIEF - Don't they get it - it is them that make us feel useless by not listening to a word we say and take our point of view into consideration - they just bulldoze their way through and disrespect us as a nation. Who would want to work for a so called boss as that.
why doesn't he live next door to them idiot. shut up.
What's up Bercow, need to take the floodlight of exposure off your wife. If you are so disloyal to your countrymen you should not be in your present job. 7 May 2015, the day you get your P45.
This man as no moral sense. Like the last Speaker he is self self and self. He should be drummed out of this role. Maybe he has one working for him and his wife in the grace and favour accommodation that we have too pay out for. Maybe after getting Mugged-Pickpockted or Burgled by one or the other Eastern Countries immigrants he'll change his feeble deluded mind. ANYTHING TO PUT DOWN THE HARD WORKED OVERTAXED BRITS.
every job they take is one less for brits that are allowed to stay on benefits
More rubbishing of the British Workforce by the Political Elite, before EU expansion the crops did not rot in the fields the Supermarket shelves were stacked, the houses and extension were built. If Bercow is so keen on Eastern Europe why did he have his original name Bercowitz anglisised to Bercow, never in a million years could John Bercowitz become an English Gentleman. _ Vote UKIP
Perhaps his wife would like to "tweet" her views as well?
Why do we forget so easily? These poor folk in Eastern Europe were signed over to Stalin by Churchill on a piece of paper after WW2. We abandoned them all. While they suffered decades of living in fear & oppression & we grew fat, wealthy & arrogant, believing we were the saviours of the world! They did not choose to be born there, that's a lottery of life people, just as they did not choose the regime they suffered under. Why should they not want to search for a better life? We are all human beings, none better than the other. When we begin to truly appreciate this amazing gift of life, then we may appreciate each other, our planet and it's amazing gifts rather than treating it as our larder and creating unnecessary conflict. It is easy to condemn, far harder to understand ...those lucky enough in the lottery of life to be born in the UK should feel very grateful & understand, not vilify, those that were not. Understand just how fortunate you are & the majority of those born are not ..
How can this be when it pushes up unemployment, a strain on our NHS system, housing, prisons etc. How ridiculous. We can do without idiots such as him.
When will this oink be fired? He is a waste of the air he breathes. The less we hear from him & his wife the better. If he ends up in the lords it will be an absolute disgrace.
you have my vote ,Sir.
The truth hurts does it not?
What a naive cosseted little man he is, look at them all in Westminster where every thing is subsidised in the restaurants and canteens plus a gold plated pension to boot, they live in shangri - lar compared to us everyday folk
Bercow must be talking about MP's !!
Further to my last post (if it gets posted) is the quote from David Rockefeller at the Bilderberg meeting in 1991.... Quote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle
Says he who has 13 weeks holiday a year at the tax payers expense.
This guy is a gold plated fake and it becomes apparent whenever he opens his mouth.
all the parties are the same voice of this moronic man. thats why I will now and forever be voting the only party for the working brit.
I can only speak from my personal experience. They did my loft conversion for me about five years ago. I've not had any complain about the quality of their work. For about two months that the work took, they without fail, reported for duty at 08:00 am everyday. and it was done for three quarter of the price quoted by their British counterparts. Having said this, others might have a different experience.
Didn't we have 13 years of labour trying to justify imports?
There are migrants and there are migrants. Many work but many are parasites on the benefit system. Does he think that the hate preachers are good hardworking citizens ? - and they are just the tip of the ice-berg. The man needs putting out in the garden where he belongs.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Little weed should and supposed to keep is little mouth shut!!!
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." NO Mr Bercrow but they do reflect the views of the British polulation, and we now have it from your mouth that Parliment does not respect the wishes of it's people. Time to vote UKIP
I have a good friend that gets up at 2.30am every morning........milks over 300 cows..........then works on other tasks until 4.00 pm most days.........He is owed over 15 weeks holiday pay because not even the Polish can do his job so he has to be there............and yes surprisingly Mr Bercow he is English........yes English........
Who would listen to that self serving parasite.
the foolish man has committed political suicide,
Go away odious little man
He may be right, but what is in no doubt is that my counties police most wanted list of around 80 villains is 75% foreign, and every week in the local paper the court round up is a third foreign, both way higher than the foreign population percentage.
Speaking as someone who has employed both migrants and British workers out on the farm, this is technically true, as time and time again I found that locals could get the same money from the DSS for doing nothing as I could pay them for working. No brainer really, cut benefits and force locals to go out into the fields picking fruit and veg, only then can we ditch the migrants.
What our governing idiots have really achieved is to make us look like slavers - they are encouraging the uneducated and poor to come here and work for low wages, live in God awful conditions usually under the heavy hand of their own kinsmen or are given all kinds of benefits free when they have not paid anything towards it and we are depicted as lazy louts who live on benefits. Then they have the nerve to preach to us about OUR shortcomings from a position of so called power leaching off others and living the high life.
he must be sacked,TODAY.
How would the poisoned dwarf know, his experience of British workers is fellow MP¿s?
How would he know? He's never been in a real job and never lived in the real world unlike the rest of us. I suggest he gets out and about in towns and cities around the UK and see the reality of immigration.
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester
Obviously the sign of a man with limited intelligence, insult the good hard working people who are paying your wages. How nice of you Mr Bercow.
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS. - Devine , London, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 07:48++++++First and foremost, we do have shirkers, as do many other Countries. However, as you rightly point out, they are used as cheap Labour over the indigenous workforce. MP's, and others who voice off, saying the British are workshy are well aware of the "cheap Labour" aspect but for some reason continue to shout it from the rooftops. This to me is trying to justify their ultimate goal of De-Nationalising, not only our Country but others as well. The Bilderberg group is assembling here in a couple of days. One can only wonder what their agenda for the future of all Countries are. The Words of one of its members "Rockefeller" spelt it out perfectly......their aim in his words is for a one world Government.....Far fetched? check it out.
I am an Englishman who like most others of my generation, have worked and paid taxes for over 55 years, to end up paying people like him to run our country. I find him very offensive and distasteful. If he thinks migration is so great why does he not do the popular thing and migrate to E. Europe, that would get 'my vote'.
Odious little traitor. Remember who pays your wages, expenses and and nanny Bercow. WHY HAS HE BEEN LET OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
He's right. You don't see many English on the bus's a 6 in the morning off to clean our hospitals.
There can be no country in the History of the World where politicians like we are saddled with in the UK have consistently failed to put the interests of their own people first.
British people are not busy at pick pocketing talk about our elected idiots hating us!
I have spent a lifetime putting incentive schemes into British manufacturing and I am sick to death of ill-informed people like Bercow running down British workers. I have found them to respond readily to new systems of working and apply themselves to the task in hand. When Bercow and his ilk give value for money instead of milking the system then maybe he can give lectures - until then, button it !
Time to go BIRKow
Well when it comes to work I have to agree.The East Europeans are much hard worker than British and also they work for much less. But still fairly I have to say the British people deserve the job places first and then the immigrants! But they have to make a go for it and not only sits at home on benefits!!! 80% of Blairs and Browns generation people ( kids) are at home on benefits instead of looking for work!!!
What a prat! Yes if they r robbing our streets!!
because the pounds worth more in their country than ours so when they send it home to their families or save it to buy property or businesses back home it's like they've been paid double what a low wage Brit would get. stop bashing brits it's getting boring. vote ukip if your a Brit on a low wage competing with foreigners. ukip don't brit bash
So the British get it in the neck again regarding being workshy? I think we are all tired of getting put down by our politicians when they travel abroad and yet most of the British army are drawn from the same working class and praised to the hilt. The labour market has been dumbed down so that the likes of the politicians in London can have cheap carers, hotel workers, nannies, builders etc to keep them in the luxury they want but cannot really afford with British workers who did not want to see their living standards eroded. These people such as Bercow are Traitors to the British working class. The class system in this country is the root of all evil. Here we have a publicly paid (by us through our taxes) demeaning the British working class of this country in another country. What some people want are "slaves". People want a certain standard of living in all social stratas of society and woe betide anybody that doesnt understand that one especially the politicians in Britain.
Err theres plenty of eastern europeans claiming our benefits too and at least they are keeping our police force in jobs
And that is why our prisons are filled with them. People trafficking is on the up and the streets arent safe. Nice one!
I'm sure if he said Romanians were less hard working...he would be called a racist...but it's ok to keep knocking the Brits !
Maybe we should replace the government with Eastern Europeans as they will work harder.
It's dishonest and misguided to speak for a nation of people who you clearly don't know.. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience, in which case he seems to be admitting that he's bone idle. I'm sick of these stupid blanket statements about lazy Brits.. Why are we constantly talking down the country? Yes, immigration is good.. For driving down wages and driving up house prices.. Brilliant.
So why not elect several of them as MP`s and the countries problems will be solved in a jiffy?
Pint sized pratt.
Suggest he and his wife get a one-way ticket, out.
What an idiot this man and his wife keep proving them selfs to be...who pays his wages..????
And the people in "Skint" are harder workers than you, Bercow.
Well, the way the country has gone down the pan during the past thirty years proved that John Bercow and all those who have served in the mother of parliaments have been complete failures, They are seen and have been watched by journalists and the people who have proved that MPs are bone idle, liars and cheats in every sphere of public life! Hard work begins with leaders at the top, if people see those leaders are bone idle then it reflects on society..
To Quote Helen below: "What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP." *****What would the average DM reader know?*****
lets be honest eastern europeans want to work, people like the philpotts etc want to claim dole, its a fact and useless trying to say it isn't. that shouldn't mean we have let in so many though, its ridiculous
That sums it up : pay the migrants 7 £ / hour on a 6 month temp contract and charge customers 65 £ / hr.
He certainly have the enemy within and it's in Government all on sides we are being attacked its disgrafull!
If these economic migrants are good for Britain why can't they be good for the country they come from? In my opinion when a country joins the EU, and its usually for economic development reasons, the EU should invest large amounts of money and develop a strategic development plan for that country so that work and acceptable benefits are made available to the workforce and unemployed. This would help to stop the mass migration to developed countries.
Never forget that it was Labour who put this pompous ignorant man into such an important post.
You know what, I agree with him. Too many British people moan about them but if they're hard working what's the problem?
Well they certainly have a better work ethic than you Berky. When are you going to do the honourable thing and resign?
Bercow vs Farage. Who's right? I don't know and neither does anyone else here. None of us is in position to know. We have only our prejudices and biases to inform us.
Very poor judgement (again) - it simply is not his role as speaker to voice an opinion. Having done so it has only shown that as well as lacking in physical stature he is also sadly gravely lacking in intellectual stature as well. Why, oh why are there so many political pygmies in parliament???
As a 61 year old who has been in continuous employment since 1967 I resent these remarks. Let's see how this relates to votes in the next election.
Yeah, there are great advantages to hiring immigrants, like paying a pittance, not bothering to pay National Insurance contributions and knowing you'll get away with it because your workers likely don't know employment law. The natives won't tolerate it, that's why they're so "lazy".
That rule will apply to most migrants everywhere. They want citizenship and are prepared to do the unpleasant and cheap jobs. Then when that's achieved they want quality of life same as the citizens. Long-term I guess an aim in rich societies will be for it's citizens to work less hours if their job is hated.
WHAT an absolute PRATT!!! ......He and his "wife" should stay together , they both make ARSES of themselves....he should be removed from his position in the house of commons!!! where you are supposed to represent and speak for the BRITISH PEOPLE!
What would any MP know about hard work, especially Bercow? It would make you laugh if only their sloth, stupidity and greed were not so flaunted.
Sorry but I'm afraid he has a point - they are prepared, indeed happy, to do the jobs a lot of British citizens turn their noses up at. Yes, there are some who take advantage of the benefits system and are involved in crime, but this is a minority and let's face it, there are plenty of British who behave in a similar fashion. The difference is that the Eastern Europeans seem to generally have a much better work ethic than a certain sector of British society who prefer to claim benefits and watch Jeremy Kyle than get off their backsides and work for a living.
I agree with you but I still can't stand your wife !
His comments make me so mad. I have worked since leaving college in 1983. I am extremely hard working, like all of my colleagues and friends, working additional hours most weeks without recompense or recognition. How dare these people, who get 3 months recess in the summer (!!!!!!!!) and several other such recesses throughout the year criticise the British public, accusing them of a lack of commitment and poor work ethic. It really angers me. I know more people who work hard than don't. Politicians need to remember that they work for us and stop these ridiculous sweeping statements that just make them look idiotic and uninformed. I'm so angry. Off to work now........
How would he know. Has he ever met any of these workers, or does he simply believe all he reads in The Daily Mail Comments. He should resign as a Member of Parliament for that comment. Or perhaps he still believes that Labour are for the Working Man. So long as the Working Man is anything but British.
I wonder - is there any chance that we could populate the House of Commons with people who actually represent and support the people of BRITAIN, and not by odious little puppets like bercow?
All they have done is driven down prices so tradesman in this country can't live! This man lives in a bubble on crazy amounts of money dished out by you and me. Can we have some real people in politics not these crooks please!
If that's the case then we should get a few hundred Eastern Europeans in to parliament to do the politicians jobs.
why the hell do people have to talk about work or lose benefits THERE ARE NO JOBS half a million mostly part time jobs or full time managers jobs for nearly three million unemployed and with school college and uni leavers this month that number will swell unless they are lucky enough to get some training as a no job at the end of it apprentice at £2.65 AN HOUR ...MAYBE IF THERE WERE NOT SO MANY IMMIGRANTS THERE WOULD BE MORE JOBS TO GO ROUND .SEEMS TO ME THIS COUNTRY SPEND TO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT OTHERS INSTEAD OF THERE OWN
Perhaps their MPs are more honest than ours too?
Work - this pig ignorant man doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25>>>>>He does not hate Europe just the EU and what it is doing to Europe! As for his track record in the EU Parliament it seems that applies to all EU MEPs I have never ever seen more than a third of the seats occupied...at least he stands up and speaks out, unlike others!
Bercow,you are a disgrace.
Lets get a migrant as the new speaker then , he surely can't be any worse and hopefully wont have a publicity obssessed missus either.......
Charge the Parasite with Treason
Why on earth does this idiot imagine anyone is interested in his opinion.
The Eastern Europeans usually are great workers but so are the Brits, and I would ask , where is his evidence that this wave of immigrants has brought with it economic success to the country? However we can see and experience the damage it has done to our social structure in the country, services are struggling to cope, Education, Hospitals, social housing, together with some rather nasty violent crimes. I wish the immigrants had never come, it has changed my country. Politicians sold my birthright for a mess of potage
they get a better deal. free health care, benefits for themselves and partners, and a home.
Ive worked full time since I left school at 16. I even relocated from my home in North London to the west midlands (on my own at the age of 21) for a new job. how the hell do people like him get such high profile/paying jobs. absolute MORON.
has he been listening to his wife again with her fetish for itinerant!?!?! The Burk & the Cow!
Now we can see who are selling us out to the Eu, the very people supposedly there to protect our way of life and culture the politicians. It's long past the time when these Europhile traitors are removed, they have caused enough damage to our country. Bercow by name Burke by nature.
He represents the British people but makes comments that are racist against us. He is a disgrace and should not be allowed to represent us.
What planet are these people from???????
If they are so good then we better put them in the Houses of Parliament as MPs & a new speaker! Berco can come work in the real world were you have to pay for your lifestyle instead off freeloading!
Yes some immigrants may be hard working but what about all the immigrants who just come over to claim benefits
This presents a dilemma for the right wing - He's praising hard workers over layabouts / those with no work ethic / those with the handout mentality. That would normally be 'advantage - hard workers'. BUT, the comparison is pitting British born against foreign immigrants, which is always 'advantage - British'. Do they choose to praise a foreigner, or defend the work-shy?
I suppose he made these comments to draw public attention away from his silly workshy wife and her inane twittering. I wonder what his unemployed constituents think about his lauding of foreign workers who just possibly, might be taking jobs that they could do.
This bloke is repugnant.
Stop making excuses for the poor immigration mess! They are 'hard' workers because on the side they soak the benefit system whilst sending money back home.
Keep diggin' that hole, LibLabCon.
Perhaps Bercow should remember this saying, ".Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed. - The Red Arrow King , London, 05/6/2013 05:36..................... That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic
What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP.
Depends which migrants you are talking about.
Bercow should be put in the coal mines; totally obnoxious little squirt
Given that there are seven billion on the planet there is bound to be some people who work longer than we do, but that is no reason at all to bring them in to our borders and so dispossess the people. The only quality there people value in humanity is propensity for slavery.
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper.
The average (or even below average) immigrant has benefitted this country more than Berkow has, but that's not difficult. UKIP UKIP UKIP!
As an employer, I have said the same thing myself before, although the DM chose not to post it. In my experience migrant workers have a much better work ethic than British workers who I have found to be lazy and I'm sure the migrant workers are doing the jobs that British workers wouldn't lower themselves to do. Why should they? There's always the dole.
Another m0r0n that needs to go
TRAITORUS LITTLE PILLOCK
Well the influx created by his Government has certainly kept the Police busy!
harder working than the British DO you think that is because they have a job and the British do not due to the influx of migrants
We should have seasonal migrants who come here and help with harvest and unless they pass the English test, do not preach hate, and come with means, I don't mind them here. Not those who commit crimes on the motorway to scam insurance companies, or kill their loved ones, or cannot speak the language! We don't want any more translation on the council list...
True there are some slackers in society. but I blame past governments for breading the benefits culture. now we have a situation where wages have been driven down by cheap foreign workers housing prices driven up by immigrants. public services drained by immigrants. care for me to carry on J B!.. lets not forget how this wil affect pensions for the future....I work 70 hours a week to suport my family..what do you do you tory muppet...about time you and your wife climbed back under the rock you both slithered out from......VIVA LA UKIP!
Thats why the prisons are full of them!!!
Hard working builder £10 per hour with no teabreaks, turns up every day and job done on time or Brit builder £25/30 per hour, teabreak every hour, unsighted for days and job still unfinished on the time agreed. Bit of a no brainer really isn't it....
Well this is "rich" coming from him, he who belongs to the oldest "old boys network" in the country, when are the people of this country going to get wise ? just take a look at how many failed politicians are elevated to the upper house, ( most of them we don't hear much about, until something happens,ie" Jack Cunningham) the "kwangos" are also filled with either failed politicians, or their various friends. So next time one of them has the "nerve" to comment on our work ethic, just remember the above.....
Well why not give your local village up to these hard working immigrants them? There's a load more on the way from Rumania to choose from. Or better still, just ride off in to the sunset with with your other idea of a wonderful person...The wife!
This must be the only country in the world where it's own Government puts it's own people down. What must the world think of us? when you get Cameron Osborn now Bercow putting us down. Mass migration to a small country is not good no matter how you disguise it.
F H sad britain ;; get your facts right he is a blairite through and through not a tory in fact he is so anti tory it shows every time he opens his mouth and as for his wife the least said the better as i could be locked up for what i might say ,it looks like he his after something to help pay for her huge court case bill unless her tv(ahem) friend will help pay the money
Obnoxious man. What does he know about hard work? How about cutting back on the amount of low paid immigrants coming to this country and actually give our kids a chance of a job!
Yeah because he has such s hard job he would know what hard work is. Just another example of an overpaid civil servant laughing at the common taxpayer.
I agree - they're out in all weather selling the Big Issue just so they can become self-employed and claim benefits. Invaluable contribution to British society!
Rubbish! I knew a time when the british worked very hard for the pittance that they got. The british worker just got sick and tired of fatcats stuffing their pockets at the employees expense. Even though fatcats are more prevalent today as was then, there is now another "employer" in the ball game. This employer known as "Welfare" is benevolent and has been allowed to be taken advantage of on laws made by the policymakers. Change the system, change the laws and encourage employers to pay people for a fair days work.
do you know what Farage was spot on with his comment, but he should have said the Bercow's were a disgrace to the nation. John Bercow should be removed from office as he has shown a definite bias and has therefore undermined the neutrality of the post of Speaker
Runt
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay- catman, Nottingham, 5/6/2013 4:07>>>>>>>>>>>>Us Brits! speak for yourself! Myself and my family have and do work hard, we fortunately have never had to claimed from the state, unlike some who through circumstance need to! My daughter travels over 4 hours a day to get to and from work, as I am sure many others do also. That statement is no better than that ignorant little mans!
Now we are expected to take cognisance of what this stupid little burke says. What does he know about work? Hasn't done a day's work in his life. No wonder the public think we are governed by gormless out of touch idiots when they spout rubbish like this!
I see Bercow is,was sorry, is a Merchant Banker.
Now there`s a man who needs to get a proper job.
Of course they work harder , that's why their own country is doing so well! Hey wait a min. John Berk - worst speaker ever - would sell his grandmother for a fiver
He knows this because they are at his home cleaning, washing, mowing, cooking and dusting.
How much has it cost the British tax payer for this latest jolly by Bercow ? He's a complete and utter disgrace. When his fellow MP's voted him to speaker it should have been clear to everyone that there was never any intention of cleaning up their act. Treacherous little man.
Typical of the wishy washy, London centric,Liberal softy, elite that are doing their best to destroy this nation and hand it over to the EU.
RACIST!! how dare he say that about british people.
If he had said the opposite; He would be charged with Racism and sacked! He is a ant-English hater and should be charged with a Race Hate Crime!!!
Didn't Peter Mandleson recently say about government, we actively went out to get foreign workers while making it HARDER FOR BRITISH TO GET EMPLOTMENT (Daily Mail 14/05/2013) Apart from that, what does an overpaid expences for anything and everything politician know about WORK ???
I'm not sure they actually work harder. They do seem to work more hours and days but I believe this is to earn more money relatively because of the low wages they receive. I know many migrant workers and nearly all are being paid less than the minimum hourly rate, so they work all hours they can
And exactly what would JB know about working hard - Order, Order Blah, Blah, Blah!!
The Lib/Lab/Con actively working against you for decades but still millions of you vote for them - incredible.
So, if that's true and you keep employing migrants because they "work harder", what are you going to do with the British working population? A recipe for disaster! A good and healthy society is not all about getting the cheapest labour to make the maximum of profit. What businesses are saving the state has to make up for.
I know generalisations are dangerous but From my own observations of service industry (hotels) Eastern Europeans in particular Polish workers in the 20-30 age group have a stronger work ethic, better attitude and are much less likely to complain about a hard days work than British kids in the same age group.
Racist - has somebody reported him to the police?
Coming from a man who has never done a hard days honest work in his life I find his remarks quite fatuous. He and his wife need to engage their brains prior to opening there big mouths.
Pompous little man. He should be removed from his post. He is not fit to hold it.
Mr Bercow has an awfully big mouth for such a small man.
He is an idiot of a man - as evidenced by his choice of wife - but he is probably correct because most foreign workers I meet have a better work ethic and far superior inter-personal skills than the home grown undeducated dross that we are turning out. Instead of looking for work most of them spend their time trying to AVOID it whilst claiming every single allowance they can con out of the useless departments responsible.
And what would he know about work?
What a complete prat this bloke is!
Coming from a pompous little parasite his comments only serve to confirm the thinking in that den of thieves.
This is incorrect and an insult to the hard working British , which I have been a part of since 1977!!!!!!! This coming from someone who gets paid for mouthing off in the House of Parliament !!!
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 ...................................................................................................................................................Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. Also these friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens ofE. European. Are these the same ones that your country treated with suspicion for the entire Cold War period and would have happily annihilated?
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I suggest you speak to your wife, she knows the penalty for talking crap!!!
Why are people being given column space in the media like BERCow making comments like this and stopping our kids getting jobs here,is it to justify the disgusting immigration policies of this govt and its predecessors,when will they admit they got it badly wrong and it will take a long time to put things right,Mr BERCow wants to get his house in order!!!
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
He says it like it is.
Miners, steelworkers, ship builders. Toughest jobs in the world. What happened to them Bercow? Before anyone criticises the Britsh, we did happen to be the work shop of the world. Give us our proper jobs back and we will work.
Yeah because 6.08 quid an hour is a fortune for them! No one can make a decent living in the UK on that min wage. Come to Aus 11 quid an hour min wage and same living costs plus penalty rate weekends.
If this man speaks for the Conservative Party ? then they want voting out of Power. This country is short of Houses, the NHS is on its back due to Migrants. I bet the social Benefits is also out of control. I walk down Town and it is like living in another Country, the 3 main Parties have really put us in a right mess.
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
If these migrants insisted on the minimum wage they would not even get a job.
If that was true then why doesn't their country prosper more, they have to come to the UK to find work and take the jobs of the people from them.
Perhaps if our welfare system hadn't made it profitable to be work shy, our own younger generation would be more hard working! But those that do work, work hard and generally for very little recognition of their efforts! This stupid little man needs to go back to his big chair and be quiet. There are lots of things wrong with this country, a lot of it created and perpetuated by parliament ... So wind your neck in bercow!
All the Romanian professional beggars at Marble Arch are certainly hard working !
He's right! You Brits are just bone idle!!!
They are great at fraud and robbing houses and scams!
As usual a poltician doesn't understand the worries about immigration. It's all about NUMBERS ! Our tiny island is full up,bursting at the seams,and it's not fair nor reasonable to keep on trying to cram more people in. That's the real concern as people see that our schools,hospitals,housing,transport systems,infra-scructure and so on,all struggled to cope with what they have to do 20 odd years ago. In your house,how many extra people can you allow in before the overcrowding gets unbearable ? Nothing to do with how hard working they are-why do the left always ignore this simple fact regarding immigration.I don't enjoy living crammed like a sardine.
how would that little twit know they are tinkers and thieves that should never be here there way of life is diferent to us he is a privelaged idiot who we just feed so is his very quiet wife
Bercow's never done a honest days work in his life!! So how can this little nasty man make a comment like this ????
stop judging us by you standards you lazy man, get up and go and get a real job on real money we cant all go to work ,get a massive pay packet and fiddle our expenses and rip off every tax payer, squirt.
How long till we can get rid of him and his vile wife ?.
His wife is clearly not the only member of that family to spout nonsense.
They might work harder than he does, or his cronies.
Ironic that all the british workers problems were caused by politicians such as this imbecile. I can tell you after several years experience employing both British and foreign workers. There is very little in it. When the europeans first come they work hard, but in our benefit ridden something for nothing system they very very quickly learn to assimilate and learn how impossible it can be to dismiss them. If i have the choice I always take British. Unfortunately I can't specify at the jobcentre even that they should have an understanding of spoken English.(wheres the Health & safety when you need them)
If migrants are harder workers than the British then let us replace all the MPs with Eastern European migrants. Oh sorry that won't happen will it because you will be out of paid employment (note: I did not say work as MPs don't work).
Who on earth is operating this Muppet he must be getting tired.
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 Tell you what, we will send them all over to you in the good ole USA, so that they can take your jobs for less than minimum wage, claim benefits as they are getting paid cash in hand and be a drain on your free health system, oh yeah you don't have one!
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 You obviously need a few Eastern Europeans, and as your own economy is in a total mess you really have nothing to say. Oh, I know, start a war, that would kickstart it.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 Eh? I think you are confusing 'the British' with 'the post-1997 British benefits underclass created by NuLabour'. There is a big difference- they don't represent the majority population, and they certainly don't represent me or any of my family or any of my husband's family ( who all work and are all British on all sides going back at least 7 generations, according to my teetotal, retired after 40 years of primary school teaching, family History-obsessed, old mum). But you wouldn't know that, not living here.
What a load of rubbish, crawl back in your hole...
Civil war anybody???
He might be right about Poles who are generally very hard working. However they only form a small proportion of overall immigration. A substantial proportion of immigrants have neither the motivation, ability or incentive to work and w.
He is absolutely right, a lot of youngsters in this country don't like hard work, they all want to be pop stars.
So John Bercow thinks Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic does he. Then lets put it into practice, perhaps he should replace his wife with a Pole and perhaps we should replace the speaker with a Czech!
now, why isn't that racist against british people? - we have very little rights and protection, clearly
All he and his weird looking wife seem to do, is to claim politicians benefits.
Why you guys just admit it he is so damn right!!!!! Those jobs the romanians have are the jobs you brits dont want !! Is so difficult to comprehand or what???
I despise the ground that the bercow creature walks on. I really, really, hate everything about him
Well, my sister and I were born and raised in the UK. You won't get two more conscientious and hard-working people than us. This man is a prat.
The fact that a lot of them do not mind sleeping 20 to a room and sharing one meal might have some bearing on the economics of it !!!!
Migrants don't work harder than us, they just work for peanuts to keep the government with their cushty salaries/bonuses and pensions which is easier for them than paying a qualified, hard working brit..........there is a difference !!!!!
Racism, pure and simple. Nobody would dare say that about any other race and get away with it.
The hard working British taxpayer will be keeping lots of these Eastern Europeans in Benefits and housing. The government has already annoyed the people who voted for them last time and Bercow is doing it again. Bercow and his wife do more damage to the image of our Parliament on a weekly basis than anyone else so he shouldn't slag offf the workers that pay to keep him in luxury. UKIP are laughing at these idiots.
Bercow is Barking Mad. These Eastern Europeans are not needed or wanted, everywhere we go people are talking about what is happening in England,we are losing control, We have been invaded by a mass of foreign speaking people taking jobs that should be done by the unemployed,
deluded. living in a bubble
He is a complete gentleman's sausage!
what qualifies this odious showman to talk about work.
thats nice,move over let them have your job
Perhaps he would like to give up his seat to an immigrant then?
How do these twits get elected in the first place? I'm sure the long term unemployed don't vote for them!
you'd think that family would have learnt to keep their big traps shut by now
Those that do work, work hard to prove they should be here and that is fine. It's the ones that come here and don't work, expect to receive benefits, housing and the use of our NHS and/or bring their criminal ways here with them, that we all have issues with. Why do the government think that everything is rosy in garden England as far as immigration goes?
Catman, Nottingham, Who died and made you the mouthpiece for all Brits - you may speak for yourself, the rest of us have our own thoughts about lots of different issues. Not that our governments have spent much time listening to us - they don't bother because the real government is in the EU. Our government was cut off at the knees some time ago. As someone else has pointed out, if these people are the 'hard' workers they are cracked up to be, how come they had no impact on the economics of their home countries. This is why those countries want us to pay the highest rates of benefits, even to children who are not resident - we are their cash cow. Before anyone says that millions are being paid out in benefits to Brits across EUrope, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Successive governments used the benefits system to keep people quiet while they finished the dismantling of Britains industrial past - the unskilled working class don't have another country to run back to.
This comment from a man who has probably never done a true day's work in his life and like most MP's live of the publics back
To even begin rebuilding this country we must start by removing these odious people from OUR Parliament. Ever wonder why he was chosen as speaker by MP's? Now you know.
GET RID, of Berc and the eastern europeans!!
NO THEY HAVEN'T. They've taken our jobs, housing and placed an untenable strain on all our resources. Bercow is an idiot.
Silly little sausage.
The statement by Bercow has no basis or truth in it at all. There isn't enough space to write why he is wrong; Its another throwaway comment by another out of touch politician; His own job (speaker) Order; Order Order. Is it really a job lol ... and what's a briton ?. We are either English; Welsh or Scottish; British is the collective name to mask our national identity. Which would change if Scotland left the Union. And then maybe a parliament that looked after its English voters represented by and for the English. then so called Brits could stop rubbishing their own and stick to facts.
But what about housing, they are tearing up the countryside because our population is exploding, largely because of mass immigration.
Bercows liking for foreign workers has more to do with low wages and their being easy to sack.
This is very true and all the politicians know this fact. John Bercow has just hit the nail on the spot. I am not surprised at those criticising him on here because those who tell the truth are no longer popular in Britain. Watch Jeremy Kyle show and you will see what is befalling this country. Your red arrow won't change the fact.
were working hard to keep them out of the uk
Yep and a pig has just flew past my window! No doubt on a tax payers freebie. Once again a sweeping statement reflecting how out of though this man like most other MPs are. Stupid stupid little man.
shut up you fool, you mean there harder workers than mp's get in the real world you plonker
How utterly insulting- he clearly does not know this country at all. Either that or he is confusing being 'harder working' with being 'willing to live in illegal, overcrowded, Victorian slum-like squalor and work for a well sub-minimum wage pittance in (by what used to be British standards, pre- EU enlargement) dreadful conditions, because it's marginally better than what we've left behind'. Which makes him none too bright and not fit for his office. Both my husband and I work harder for longer hours and less money than we ever have because of the mess that is the EU- and unlike the 'immigrants' near us, we feel obliged to provide a decent home, clothing and nutrition for our children out of it. No chance of an annual summer holiday or the odd extra little treat like we used to have as kids though. So, how do we go about sacking Bercow? And the majority of the rest of the greedy, out of touch 'I'm alright Jack' wasters in Parliament- since it seems that's all there is left to do now.
Well the outside helpers have proved in the Middel East and the east Germans have proved to the West Germany that they are and can work better as these natives may take the work load as " We have these so why sorry " I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA An aptitude of contentment needs more push then the IT and need more pat on the back with cash . Pay that you have work done .
So..Job sorted. Replace 'ALL' our overpaid underworked politicians with migrants who'll work for minimum wage.
When did he last work with anyone let alone Migrant s And lets face it that's what they come for work
Reuben Camara Morecambe.... you and how many others I wonder, they are an absolute PITA, and certainly don't benefit the likes of us!
some of their are thieves and murders so would sit in nicely in this country .............yes I suppose their do work harder than us .............
Take no notice ,it's just small talk
And he knows this from his part-time job in Greggs?
I think they are all traitors to their own Countries, why don`t they work and build up their own Countries..I bet they sit on their asses when they were home..They just want to come here for our already built up services, that our own people worked hard for over the years..Why don`t they go and build their own.
Now if one high profile member of a party says it, you could say he doesn't represent the views of his party. Lets face it in all political parties you have individuals like that. However, the conservative party has form for the kind of views about British people Bercow is speaking about. Several conservative members of parliament ,have said similar including Boris Johnson ,you have the chancellor labeling our unemployed as 'shirkers'.There are millions unemployed in this country,as they all 'shirkers'? We all know why british employers prefer foreign workers and it has nothing to do with hard work but because they can pay them less for more hours. That is it. Can I just say ,if anyone votes conservative after we have been repeatedly insulted by members of that party, they deserve all they get. That also includes the Labour party who are responsible also for the mess this country is in. The only way to teach them all a lesson is to vote for UKIP in huge numbers .
How does one know this? If you don't employ someone you'll never know how hard-working they may be. Most immigrant workers will do the jobs the rest don't (in his opinion), because although they are low wages for those of us born and bred here, they are high for those from poorer countries. .
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper than Brits.
ooofftttt has this guy got a masochistic streak?
They are just taking jobs that the British are to lazy or unqualified to have.
No, Migrants suck up the low pay and send it all back to their relatives at home for them to live like kings, while Britains are stepped on by their government!
Certainly harder workers than our Members of Parliament!
That's not true there are lazy ones as well tell stupid Bercow to get out in the real world and have a look
British people are lazier. I own a business and trying to get a Brit out of bed at 3am is extremely hard. All of my workers are foreign, they come on time, work harder and will never complain. It's true I'm afraid.
Well they should do your job then
"Migrants are harder workers than Britons"? Bet he wouldn't dare say, "Britons are harder workers than migrants" even if he believed that were the case. He'd be prosecuted by the anti-racism lobby.
The sooner the British people march on London and kick these M.P's out of office the sooner we can put this country right.
Migrants move to Britain because their countries are poor despite they're hard working, and lazy British made a strong economy and a great nation... seems legit.
What chance for us Brits when the political mouth pieces keep kicking us into the gutter,one thing for sure bet the rims haven't got big trap wife's. like the one he's hooked up with
During my working week I visit several different types of company. This view of the foreign workers is one that I hear repeatedly from the different employers.
I'm with Farage on this Bercow is a Disgrace....what specialist knowledge does he have anyway.
Bercow,you are a berk....- end of.
If his statement is true, then it only goes to show that "Britiain" isn't the British people any more. For the likes of the vast majority of us born and bred here, we see lower wages, harder-to-get jobs, declining terms and conditions, less perks, and poorer public services which we've funded over many years via our NI contributions. No prizes for who gets every available handout having paid naff all into the system, and from pretty soon after arrival at that. There's no need to be an "illegal" - the system favours the front door entry over everything else - from the immigrant point of view.
Perhaps he should come and meet the gangs of Polish men who sit drinking in my local park all day!
He is correct. Romanians can have the lead off a church roof in hours when it would take a Brit days to complete the job.
They might harder workers, but some of them are thieves as well.
Brits are lazy no wonder nothing is produced in this country just take a look at BRICS nations and our German friends. How many of you drive a German car
Bercow the Birdbrain - what a complete idiot. He has no understanding of the damage caused to the country's infrastructure by the mass immigration policies
How many of these hard worker have discovered the benefit system like the self employed east european Roma Gypsies selling the big issue and claiming tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit, paying no tax at all but being a net drain on our benefit system
I have been saying for many years that majority of MP's are the enemy of the British people. they would rather have immigrants in the Country rather than the indigenous population. Let's ensure that in 2015 they are the enemy of the British people and vote them out.
What have the British people done to have their Government hating them so much. Even if the Eastern Europeans do work harder, they don't integrate with the British society, they clog up the hospitals, doctors surgeries, and the general feeling of being overcrowded in the UK , then send there money home, so just who benefits, yes just them not the British. Britain just ends up with alien societies living their lives separately.
Pip squeak? no right to make any comment?
I wonder if he would say that if his job was going to someone from Eastern Europe
I bet he hasn't got any living next door to him. There's eight living in one two bedroom house on our street. It's a nightmare. For this little jumpt up man to come out that statement. I can see now him and his wife are a good match. UKIP take the up the reins
I can guarantee that when the flood gates open at the end of the year you will see full scale riots across the UK.
Romanian beggars are turning up everywhere how is this good for our economy letting all them in ? Look what opening our doors has done our Nhs is on its knees it can't handle all these extra people. Edinburgh royal hospital opened a new maternity unit..... 1st 6 babies born were polish.
Lets put it this way, you get offered a job that pays at least four times what you'll ever earn at home and people wonder why they work like mad to keep that position?? And as in many cases they are working for less than what is the usual salary for that job, politicians can't see why employers are keen to employ???
UKIP!
How many times do little men with who appear to have an inferiority complex open their mouths showing that not much comes out of their mouths or trousers ? get a proper job Johnny and learn about the real world that most of us live in.
Rude, ignorant, lazy, hen pecked fool.
Your comments:all very well but we are overcrowded. Why not relocate our long term unemployed to Romania etc where their benefits would give them a better standard of life.
Minimum wage to these people is a fortune back home. I'd work my fingers to the bone too,if I got paid 2 or 3 times what I could earn at home.
Right, so he said that the views of the press dont reflect the views of parliament or government. So presumably the views of ordinary people are of no consequence at all. That pretty much sums up the disgraceful situation we find ourselves in. There is no longer any democracy.
Yet another one in his westminster bubble who hasn't got a clue what effect immigration has on towns and city's across Britain. These people are supposed to be intelligent.
And because every person running this country would have enough money to be comfortable to retire tomorrow THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
Just what has he and wife contributed to the country ???
They may come with this ethos but soon learn like many of our own that claiming benefits is a very good idea and then things start to change. Also I hope this constituents who work bl.... hard give him a really big kick in the butt next time they vote and put a UKIP MP in - they care about us who live here, work here and try and manage on little.
How do you own property and business within 3 years of arrival ? It's more to do with tax avoidance and sub letting social housing a well worn path.
Look out Bercow there's a Romanian bloke coming over, says he can do your job for a tenth of the money! He's also bringing 650 mates with him to take over the House of Commons. Next year it's 10,000 judges coming.
Bit of a generalisation. Is it racist?
its racism. If the leaders of a country treat all its long term residents like this, a new unbiased leadership should be chosen.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
if they are so hard working, why are their own countries a dump , why are they not building up their own economies. its a joke, they come here for benefits and our jobs.. they live 10 to a room and send all their money home, they drain us dry....
There's more work in a glass eye than John Bercow- and the glass eye sees more too. He is supposed to be apolitical- but there you go- no surprises here.
If they are such hard workers, wouldn't it be more patriotic of them to perform their hard work back in their own countries ?
You notice the type of person who makes this kind of comment has never done a proper days work in their life.
just because they can clean his car for five quid, pay no tax and sleep 10 to a house does not male them better works.
Another talking head. He knows nothing of the real Britain.
Quisling dog .
Within the M25 I am not surprised the rest of the residents leave a lot to be desired.
Oh yes dimwit like the ones squatting in the West End drinking urinating and leaving filthy rubbish everywhere!You and your loud mouth dopey attention seeking wife should emigrate to Romania!
That's a racist remark and as a Briton, I object.
The speaker is supposed to be neutral but of course we all know that he only got the job because the labour politicians wanted their man in the job so he is only saying what Labour think.
Just another example of just out of touch our politicians are
Says the man sat in a chair!! Like most of our never worked politicians, he hasn't a clue what's going on, though it doesn't help that many of our political leaders are in the back pockets of big business. Immigrants are popular with our short sighted business leaders because they use them to force salaries down, (which then pushes people onto benefits, so how does that benefit 'sic' this country?). British staff are deliberately forced out of work and onto benefits, to be replaced by migrant workers who send most of their spare money home, so this country loses out all ways.
Why do the British Government hate their own people, I can't work it out. This would never be said in any other country in the world.
So says Parliament's biggest sponger.
His attitude is typical of the major 3 parties, they despise the British Worker and want to eradicate them. Vote UKIP.
No, they are willing to work for less, they don't work any harder.
We obviously need a few migrants in parliament then.
If the British electorate vote with their hearts instead of like sheep in 2015 and UKIP get their well deserved chance to put their tenets into fruition, hopefully one of the first things Nigel Farage does, after ridding us of the EU, the ECHR and closing our doors to the influx of unwanted immigrants from wherever, will be to kick this odious squirt into touch alongside his loud mouthed attention seeking wife. VOTE UKIP!
What does this man know about working hard. He closes Parliament 103 days a year.
This from a man who robs the tax payer left right and centre, all the immigrants have done is drive wages down. so dislike this horrible little man and his wife.
Well maybe we should select a migrant as speaker then.
So the poison dwarf rises from his Kiddie Seat to pontificate, sit down you little twerp, and keep quiet you biased little man.
They are not still peddling that old lie are they? I work in a large organisation where the work force is 80% Eastern European and I know that they are no better workers than British workers. We are the only country that promotes other countries workers above our own. It is about time M P's went out into society and found out what it is really like.
They might work harder when they first come here then once they are in the system they start to take advantage and work less. Nobody mentions the top ups the Goverment gives them on their wages that we all pay for, so it is a farce. This man should be held for treason vote UKIP.
If they are all better workers ............... resign and let them be in government perhaps we will get some work done then?????
John Who?
There is no excuse for such stupid remarks. Just go now, your position is no longer tenable.
If they are so hard working, why are the countries they come from such dumps bordering on third world standards and status, and just how was this country made into a 1st world country Mr. Bercow? You are insulting countless generations of British workers, perhaps Mr.Bercow you should take a real job and give us a demonstration and an example of real and sustained hard work.
How can someone so lazy and unintelligent, devoid of charm and charisma, with no visible political or social skills rise to Bercow's position to enjoy the 6 months vacations, the taxpayer funded salary, pension and perks. He is a disgrace to the government and an embarrassment to Britain. A 'man' with no shame!
And don't pay tax,NI car insurance , road tax so they know all they get is for them. Most are 'self employed ' and that is s fact
Why doesn't this sad little man just go away
we have these idiots who are politicians in britain talking about working, what does he know about graft he is nothing but a usless thieving mp. another anti britisness mp speaking lies.
So what is Mr Bercow's solution then? To allow endless EU migrants in, have all us lazy British claiming benefits as our work ethic is not as good. That sounds like a great solution Mr. Bercow OR you could just help demoralised, disillusioned young people and other British people get back to work and take pride in what they do. Voting UKIP :) Bring on 2015
WASP I love it I agree with your sentiments - Bash the Brits the sport of knaves, fools and traitors. Where else in the world can you come and live high off the hog on the British taxpayers and insult them at the same time? Come one, come all all free, courtesy of the LAZY Brit taxpayer. You couldn't make it up John Burcow the "Madhatter" from the "Alice In Wonderland" the nightmare that is these days Parliament.
Factually he's correct. Immigrants benefit the economy, are less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be on benefits (even though the DM tries to portray a different picture with its propaganda)
That comment is a bit rich coming from one of the laziest taxpayer funded servants in the country!!!!......maybe if we replaced him and his lot in parliament with some of his hard working migrants the country would not be in the mess it presently is!!!....and they would work for half the pay if not less!!!!!!
That is all very well Mr Speaker . How do we find room for them . How do we cope with the bigger number that will be needed of med care houses schools . I do not need to go through the list . You idiot of a man . Britain is the country the whole is trying to get into . BUT we do not have the flippen room . That's unless we start cutting down this green and lovely land .
Who does this guy think he is? My wife and I along with many other English people work hard. Why should we be forced to listen to the insulting remarks of this greedy disgusting little trough master? Sack him at once. This is another good reason for all you people out there to be voting UKIP.
Don't worry John, keep slogging away, only 5 weeks until the House of Commons two month summer recess.
All migrants not just the Eastern Europeans
Politicians are thick yes.My businesses in UK employ 337 people .263 are eastern Europe all speak English in the last 12 months they have had 27 sick days between them My English workers have had over 200 sick days,who would you employ
Pay a proper wage then. Out of touch idiot.
He is absolutely right Brits are lazy totally agree with him
I doubt whether any of the MP's know what a hard days work is. Let's face it, it is just a bit of spin, trying to garner the votes of immigrants because the Tories have blown it and are not going to get many from the born and bred.
I realise that immigrants from Eastern Europe have a stronger work ethic than the average British worker. How is that a benefit to this country? We used to have a strong work ethic but the Unions became too strong and forced those that wanted to work hard to slow down to the pace of the slowest, collective pay negotiations removed the need to show that a pay rise was deserved.It became a right that drove the manufacturers from this country, as did the inability to remove useless workers from the workforce. Just how long do you think it will take for the same to happen again, when the Polish branch of Unison go on strike and the food industry grinds to a halt, what then?? They can go back to their own country but we are left with the mess. I'll be gone by the time it happens but it will, watch the union space.
According to my Polish wife, British Politicians seem to despise British working people. I think she have have a point
Time to rid the British people of treacherous Parliament. Any other country would have reduced the place to cinders by now. Politicians have ruined my country, my people and our land.
Fire the man for spouting utter rubbish. when last did you work on a shop floor or a factory line - get out there and do it then see who woreks hard or not you unimportant little prig!
Humm bet you hands are softer than mine Bercow........ Regards A BRIT....
With his JOB I cannot see how John Bercow knows what work is never mind hard work, ubless fiddling expenses come into that catagory.
If are britons are so called lazy. Then are polotitions are the laziest people we have seen. Why don't you go for another holliday to france dqvid cameron. While hard working britons are movin lg to austrillia or canada for work
Sack him
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government". However he should remember that we elect them to represent "OUR" views - so he like "Call me Dave" Camoron should go. The majority of the British electorate think that the immigration from EU and elsewhere sanctioned by Bliar and his acolytes and continued by "Call me Dave" has caused an almost irreparable breakdown in the fabric of British society.
Out of touch, like his wife.
if they work harder why is there own country not top of the richest in europe,or do you mean they will work for less.
Having worked and managed Eastern European and British alongside each other I can fully agree with the man. British are lazy and want something for nothing.
When will our politicians learn! Not everything is about cheap labour!
Order! Order! All you critics!
Shut your mouth Bercow, you traitorous little man. You yourself haven't even done a day's work in your life.
As someone who has never done a real day's work in his life I'm sure this idiot is well qualified to make this sort of statement. Bercow is a digrace to the office of speaker but unfortunately he's pretty much what we've been getting since Betty Boothroyd left that office .
When was the last time he broke sweat then.
Wasn't Bercow in the Labour government the same people that made our young live on benefits, him and his woman make a good win double.
Well...what can you say? Nevertheless the good people of John's constituency will continue to vote for him. He's their sort of chap you see. Meanwhile let's hope UKIP put in a better show next time. Anybody but this upstart.
Pity the Foreigners cannot have a chance at this little jumped up idiots job.
What he means is that foreign workers will work for low pay... And really, is it a good idea to throw our own people on to the dole? Who pays for that? Why the poor British taxpayer - remembet most of these foreign workers won't be paying tax. Wake up England - Lets rid ourselves of these traitor politicians and EU quislings!
You only have to see them camped out in the middle of the road at Marble Arch to understand that Bercow is right!
I work 90 hrs a week only to have the lion's share of my money taken in tax/VAT. I suppose thats not working hard enough for you, is it Mr Bercow you swivel eyed loon!!?
Simply not true.
i suppose its one way of trying to negate a failed immigration policy
He is correct . So many Brits will take a " sickie" at the drop of a hat and try to do as little as possible at work
Well they certainly work harder than any MPs. But then so does everyone else.
how it should have read MIGRANTS ARE HARDER WORKERS THAN BRITONS MPS.
Fair enough if you comment on how hard working some of the immigrants are, then you also need to comment on how some of them are lazy and only here for the benefits this stupid country offers
John it depends what you mean by work. If you call sitting on a big fancy chair all day shouting meaningless rubbish at a bunch of cretins work, then you're probably right and should give your job to a Pole or a Pakistani.
Let us hear it.... Let's hear it!
From a man who has never actually worked a day in his life.
what job as this lazy bastard made a success of ,leave out spending taxpayers money tory plonker.
Everyone works harder than you John , maybe you should let them do your job for less money , then you can live off benefits , sounds fair to me hey John
Politician, hard work. Three words that should never mistakingly be put together, robbers and conmen now that's a different story.
Just another traitor in government....
And of course he has evidence of this. He wouldn't just be writing off a whole nation based on an opinion, would he?
There seems a trend to British Politicians - bring in policies that destroy British Industry - then tell the British that they are lazy because they won't work for less than 5 pounds an hour in a coffee shop .
Said the man that sits in a chair all day.
The Speaker' Speaks too much - Time to replace him AND his out spoken excuse for a wife !
Its a stupid remark valid or not for a M.P. to make it serves no purpose and just causes a bigger rift between migrates and U.K. workers.
I reckon there's a little bit of truth in this. How many of you readers would do menial labour without complaining? Or be happy that your kids are? Someone got to do it!
Don't we just love our honest, underpaid, hard working, patriotic and loyal politicians and their pearls of wisdom..............not!!!
This man lives in a ivory tower,,,,,,what does he know about the real world?????
The Bercows sounds like a Tv joke production, I hate politicians of his ilk, speaking against his own countrymen, creepy git, I wouldnt trust him with my dog
Delusional FOOL!
He's a parliamentarian. What would he know about work and commitment?
Bercow and his wife are a disgrace to the UK. Time for them both to go and retire on their big fat cat pensions.
What does the Speaker know, the Brits are only second to Italians when it comes to hard work!
It is true that Eastern Europeans have contributed a lot towards reducing the bills of "entitled" people.
Keeping on talking the British worker down and no- one will employ our youngsters.. who in my opinion as a manager are equal if not better than any foreign workers when given the crack at a real job ..
If that is the case then why don't we give the jobs of some of the MPs including Bercow to hard working immigrants?
And what would a "posh boy" tory like him know about hard work............................................ They only know how to cream off the backs of others....................................................
There's no difference, I work in transport, amongst poles Latvians etc, the only difference is they will always say yes, will you speed, yes! Work illegal hours, yes! Break tachograph & daily rest rules, yes! Have a second job when your supposed to be having your weekly rest, yes! If caught go home for 6 months to avoid the magistrates court, yes!
There is no real comparison with British workers and East European workers. British workers have an established background and work ethic, and a welfare safety net. The east europeans come mostly from communists states and suffered hardshiop. The chance to work means they want to make money and will work longer and harder. Its unfair to compare like for like. Also many have set up agencies that only employ their own. We are being undercut, and unfairly disadvantaged in so many ways having them here.An example is Fyffe factory in Coventry a british city. Polish workers were drafted in and became the majority and training was only in Polish. English workers were not allowed to be considered as they did not understand polish. So Bercow shut up and get the real facts. Im sure your wifes recents exploits mean you low on funds and probably using non british workers. However the British people have had enough of immigration, and finally somethings will be done about it at the next election
Amazing - coming from twit like him he thinks he has a real job.
Inconsequential twit, on a tax payer funded jolly. We may as well close parliament, they only rubber stamp laws passed in the EU.
BRING ON UKIP ,, get rid of fools like berkoff
Bercow you Idiot! Come and live and work the area I do, you wouldn't be saying this then.
Oh, on another jolly eh? What can he say to the Romanian Parliament that would convince me that it was worth all the expense of travelling there? Nothing 😞
So we adopt the failed Labour idea, instead of insisting that British workers work and work for fair wages or lose benefits, we import immigrants whose background is hardly or never checked, with all its consequences. Great policy!
What does he know about what is going on in the world of the UK working population?
Bercow commenting on the work ethic of the rest of us?? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Isn't that racist?
He' as useless as his wife then! Idiotic little man.
And I thought the wife was useless..............
Was that his wife talking ?
Its naive people like John Bercow that have helped destroy our country !
Well John, as you have never done a days proper work in your life, perhaps you should go and live there as you think they are so industrious. Some of it might rub off on you.
Just look what is happening to the NHS, Schools, housing, jobs, too many people coming in ,nobody wants to work as too much benefits are being paid.. Successive governments have killed industry like cars, steel aircraft and shipbuilding, where there was work apprenticeships and tradition. Britain is just sinking through years of incompetent government.
If he finds his fellow countymen so distasteful that he has to publicle denegrate them, the i wish he'd emigrate to his beloved Eastern Europe. I'm sue they'd welcome him with open arms I'm sure, until they got to know him that is. How dare he.
Why is it only positive things are allowed to be said about migrants.
For how much longer will they be content with working for minimum wage, though? Soon they'll get fed up and want a living wage.
How pathetic no race is better than another but the government likes to say this to justify there open door policy's and to keep there big business donors happy with a supply of cheap labour
The Tories have lost their way. I actually find it very sad - they are like an old loved one with dementia - they look like the old loved one, but they say frustrating things that don't make sense.
About as much common sense as his big mouth wife. You need to learn where your loyalty lies.
We always worked out butts off doing 50 hour weeks at maximum speed. I guess its just the managers and politicians who are lazy and blaming it all on the British public. Or perhaps its not in fact that what is bothering them. Perhaps they mean, "foreigners do hard work for almost no pay".
Oh Nigel, that's a flattering photo!
like he will know looking down from his Ivory Tower, stick to wearing your clown gown and presiding over a Circus
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed.
The sick fruitcake needs to be sectioned.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.
Last month it was Boris Johnson saying it, and now it's John Bercow - what is it with Tory MP's and their contempt for the British workforce? There's also a huge irony around any of our underworked and overpaid MP's lecturing us on who works hard and who doesn't.........
Of course they are. They have no idea that the House of Commons is going to rip them off every step of the way. This is why second generation immigrants are keen to get into politics. Look at the Miliband boys!
..... and it's very sad!
Your right john birdbrain I would say you have much more in common with the Romanians who like yourself work very hard at conning and robbing people and not even your own people like you and, you could fit under a snakes belly with a top hat on. You horrible little squirt.
A sweeping generalisation from a bitter man.
if these immigrants are so hard working why are they coming from the poorer and bankrupt countries
Mr B & his mob are doing a fine job of ensuring they are unelectable.
SOME of the migrants that have come are hard working but there are significantly more than do not work at all. Stop the benefits and see how many don't bother coming.
Liebours and the EUSSRs open borders policy has been so beneficial to our younger population. They have never had so much leisure time. This is because there are no jobs to help them develop a work ethic
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." No ! but the media refect the views of the majority of British people, what the hell he would know about work ethic would be an absolute revelation !!!
he is confusing harder workers for cheaper workers. if he is so enamoured by them, let him go represent their country, cos we dont need traitorous leaches like him here.
It's true- loudSpeakers can be a nuisance if not properly controlled...... Westminster Coucil should send round a chap with a decibel meter.
Speaks the man who has never done a hard days work in his life.
Stereotyping a race of people in any way is racist. To infer one race is superior to another in a particular trait puts us on a very sticky path. What you might say is that a person from a country with a low standard of living can move to a country with a better standard of living and if they then live in accommodation like we had in Victorian times (10 to a house) and they save up for a few years an amount of money that wouldn't even be enough for a deposit for a flat. They can then go back to their old country and buy their own home outright.
The truth hurts...he's right!
" in many cases they came with aptitudes and a commitment". The same ones that turned their own Countries into dumps?
.....and they will work for almost nothing, undercutting British workers, are easier to fire and, thereby, enrich further his wealthy mates ?
Might be harder working than an MP but that is a sweeping statement that I find very offensive but what would you expect from a labour MP
He would say that - his grandfather was from Romania ! What I would like to know is - what job - what actual work has Right Honourable John Bercow ever done ? Has he ever had a job -I mean a proper job, not all that councillor rubbish - since he left school in Finchley ? The fact that ones parents were hard-working doesn't mean that the offspring are necessarily hard-working . In my estimation he is like the rest of the politicians - interested only in what he can grab for himself, both in money and power .Statesmen who thought of their country and their people died out years ago.
If you don't know English, you work like a donkey, get paid peanuts. That's what migrants do and employers like it for getting it all done so cheaply.
This is coming from somebody who sits on his brains all day. Money for nothing screaming and shouting all day like kids in a playground and fiddling expenses makes my blood boil, and here I am 4.30am ready for work for just above the minimum pay grrrrrrrrrrrrr
A lot of the British don't get a chance to work, as the migrants will take a lower wage than the average Brtish worker, knowing that they will get all the top ups they need to send back home to their families, give the British worker a decent wage that pays more than the benefits they receive and they would soon prove that they can do a days work, no encouragement when they can getmore by sitting at home doing nothing.
How would you know, Mr Bercow? What do you base your comment on?
What he meant to say was, migrants do the same job for cheaper wages, in his mind, that makes them harder workers.
He makes as much sense as his wife, Silly Sally, he brings Parliament into disrepute!
They're trying to wind us up to distract us. What are they hiding?
Bercow is an idiot and fits in well to the government profile. Get rid of Bercow and would you know the difference. I do not think so.
Can we replace all our politicians then with these mythical harder working immigrants?
Yeah thanks for the slap in the face John. I worked 65 hours last week and when I receive my pay slip on Thursday you can bet that the parasites at HMRC have taken a healthy chunk out to pay towards foreign aid and migrant benefits and not to mention your over inflated wage and don't get me started on the ammount of national insurance I will pay though it takes over a week to see a doctor at my surgery and I have to pay a prescription charge for every single item on my prescription, the last one cost over £21. Yeah I'm really lazy John.
Perhaps some one should remind Bercow that Parliment and the Government are supposed to reflect the will of the people who generally want an end to this country's open door immigration policy. Just who the hell do people like Bercow think they are.
Yes maybe thay do have a better work ethic, but they also work for less money? As for the Media not reflecting the views of Government? Maybe because they reflect the views of the public, unlike the Parliament or the Government?
What a racist comment, I am highly offended by this little pipsqueak. He is racist and he's stereotyped the entire nation, surely this is inciting racial hatred and he should face prosecution. Pity he hasn't learned from his wife's example, don't go shouting your mouth off. Migrants do not work harder than me. I would like to see you come to a steelworks and work with molten metal at 1700 degrees c for 12 hours. You little racist poser.
All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. Kennedy, London, United Kingdom, 4/6/2013 21:12 ------------- In Canada, 1st generation immigrants have to work harder. Because they have to learn the language if they don't know it, to pass the immigration tests and language standards. They have to find work, study, etc. They have to educate themselves in history and in knowledge that even most native-born Canadians don't know the answer to, to pass the citizenship test. BUT... here's the difference... they are actually "immigrants" and they HAVE to prove themselves. They are not like your EU citizens, who can waltz in and out of countries at will without any restrictions or standards. EU citizens don't HAVE to "prove themselves"-that's likely the problem. And "economic data"... is this because a lot of companies PREFERENTIALLY hire migrants over locals?
UK politicians are incompetent, lazy & stupid.
Words fail me with this idiot!
And whose fault is it. Not the government i suppose for giving so many handouts to people who do nothing and get something for nothing culture. You made it like this and soon immigrants will be the same.
Odious Turd!
What a sweeping statement. Really makes him look ignorant.
Harder workers, are they? Well the ones I see on street corners mooching around begging or selling the Big Issue sure aren't.
If Bercrow resigned we could afford to pay a few hundred more immigrants from our benefits system. Probably worth it if he goes away and takes his wife with him
He's right though.. and they're cheaper.
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay
Well he's hardly going to criticize the shambolic immigration policy that his master, Blair, introduced, is he?
If this is the loyalty us Brits get from the speaker of the house is it any wonder we detest politicians?
Putting millions of British workers on the dole because they won't work for low wages - yes really good for Britain.
A politician commenting on anyone's work ethic borders on criminal.
Every time bercow opens his stupid mouth, UKIP pick up thousands of votes.
Mouthpiece!!!!!!!!!
This guy is a complete waste of space, albeit not much space.
Maybe he is looking to his wife for the basis of this comment, what exactly DOES she do again?
Very true.. The British are lazy workers and their work ethic is rubbish. They live in a celebrity and media driven society were their children only aspire to be famous rather than work hard for a living.. #britainisnotsoperfect
John Bercow: What planet do you live on? Not the same one as the ordinary British citizens.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out!
John Berk-ow does not realise that Briton is the people. Many hard working Brits now benefit Australia, America and Canada. You the Politicians have created a welfare state which benefits the unemployable, the lazy or immigrants which can benefit from low paid employement because they GET cheap social housing.
Bercow has nothing to offer Britain except his expense account and his wife's twitter feed. Sign of the times that the man is in office.
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please.
In Tower Hamlets according to a 2012 APPG Inquiry, commissioned by the borough into Ethnic Minority, Unemployment in the borough it found 62.% of Bangladeshes women to.be economically inactive, 75.3% of Bangladeshis are living in a household receiving benefits. 67% of Somalis in Tower Hamlets to be not literature in their own language, let alone English. I am not aware of some huge unfulfilled gap in the Labour market which requires an influx of unskilled labour migrants to fill. Does.anyone.else ? this needs to stop Positive immigration of skilled, qualified, educated, entrepreneurial or independently wealthy individuals no matter where they are from is a privilege for the UK and should be encouraged.
The tired, worn out cliché of the "hard working immigrant". The same nauseating cliché is heard in Canada and US. The illegals are "very hardworking", new Canadians are "very hardworking". Then answer this...if they're so hardworking, how come they can't fix up their own countries? Instead of pouring into ours? The reality is that they don't know about employment standards and employment laws and will work overtime without proper pay. They also work for cash and don't pay taxes. And there's one thing that employers love and it's employees that don't have minds of their own and just follow orders. These politicians don't have to compete with immigrants for work or housing.
"great advantages for Britain" - Yes, I am pretty sure they haven't had the catch22 situation of sending their child to the local school. You have two choices in my area. Either your child doesn't get a placement because there are too many immigrants in the area or they DO get a placement but are held back because most of the kids don't speak English. There are some nice friendly "hard working" migrants in my area.... however there are also a huge amount of freeloading, scamming nasty pieces of work as well. A well paid politician doesn't see these people though.
Another traitor to the British people..Are you forgetting some thing Bercow, it is our Country, how dare you insult us..Obviously you are looking for a job on the panel of the EU mafia..
Problem I have with Bercow is deciding who is the worse egotistical idiot him or his wife.
A lot of them live in shared rooms,have no intention of settling permanently here,they just send the money home. So they can live on minimum wage,indigenous (is that word wacist now?) British have mortages and families to support,so can't survive on minimum pay.
This same boring line trotted out again...
The Speaker is surely bound by rules which do not allow him to make public statements like that surely? It is an offensive remark aimed at the very people he is supposed to work for. He should be sacked.
It's not because they work harder, its because they're cheap!
Hi! Bercow , on your next trip next trip to planet Ork please say "Nanu, Nanu" to Mork and Mindy from me!
Not a fair statement especially from a speaker of the BRITISH House of Commons: many Brits (including myself) are now elsewhere and we're working very very hard! Yes East Europeans can be hardworking, but so can Brits!
And the benefits are, high unemployment, prisons over loaded, NHS and schools at breaking point, high costs in translators,no tax or insurance paid due to low wages, housing, child tax and benefit costs, the only winners are the rich businesses who exploit these people
I think you mean its been a great benefit to the employers who have been able to pay minimum wage and below. 5 adults or more sharing a house rent and bills will always be able to work for less than the average Brit with is mortgage and 2 kids. Exactly how as it benefitted the country when the majority of their earnings are being sent back to their own countries along with the governments contribution of child benefits for children not even in this country and that might not even exist, and the money that is spent in this country is spent in Eastern mini marts that still ends up also going back to the home country. Then we have free schooling free health care system that is now under incredible strain with the uncontrolled influx of people, also not forgetting the bad apples that come along with the intentions of crime as they know Britain is a soft touch, and if they are unlucky to be caught will be sent to a holiday camp with free board and lodging TV and game consoles. UKIP for me
typical. a country who will not look after its OWN people. no wonder its a joke
I've never seen anyone work harder than the estate boys dealing in all sorts of substances. They're up until sunrise doing it. Now, if that's not hard work, I don't know what is!
Vote UKIP. Get rid of the lib,lab,con vermin.
Idiot!!!
Bercow has a nerve, he wouldn't know the meaning of hard work.
Spell it as you like -I prefer BERKO!!
(1) Is it or is it not true that 50% of the people arrested for squatting in London (or the UK) over the past year are Romanian? (2) I have personally seen their encampment at Marble Arch ... it was there on Monday, as I passed by to Paddington Station to catch the Heathrow Express.
What he means is that it has enabled all chums to make even more money at the expense of native Britons. Another waste of space.
In my life I have never seen so many idiots and traitors in Parliament - who votes for these people ?
Make one the Speaker then, and make Bercow redundant.
Yes, and some British MP's cannot decide whether they are Conservative or Labour MP's - can they John?
Could agree since Speaker Bercow doesn't do much and is most likely working out the next con trick for the taxpayer.
Fools like him hate British people what a shame we are paying his huge salary, he is living free plus we are paying for his nanny.
yeah yeah yeah...just like you...?
Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?? in fact what benefit are any of em...
How low will they go.
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man.
BERCOW YOU'R A PRAT! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR OFFICE. SPEAKERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN NOT TO SPEAK, SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU? SPEAKING IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY AN AFFLICTION, THE BERCOW'S HAVE NOT YET MANAGE TO MASTER. "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE MUCH NOISE" EVERYONE DOES MORE WORK THAN YOU! REGARDS ............. WASP
MP's wanted: Must speak Polish!!! Apply to the Houses of Parliament recruitment office!! Above normal wages and lots of perks, this is a non discriminatory post, white British need not required!!
So.. if "they" are harder workers than Britons... then why didn't they work hard enough to improve their own country and their own lot in life? Just curious. Anyway, I don't know why people make these sorts of excuses. Migrants want to go to other countries precisely for mainly one reason - to improve their own lives and future. Britons would be the first people to understand this, because throughout history, British people were amongst the most likely people to migrate away from Britain (which is why there are 140 million descendants of British ancestry living around the world). They left because Britain was a dump at the time, suffering in poverty, famines, wars, etc -- and they wanted better futures for their children, so they sought out "new lands." This is how most Britons ended up in USA, Australia, etc (which already had indigenous people). There's nothing wrong in affording opportunities to people IF that is what they want - "to work hard" - even if it does create conflicts.
Yes I would imagine immigrants do work harder than the average MP
immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government. BUT it does the voters. Vote UKIP and get rid of these idiots in Parliament.
Good,Now get rid of Bercow,without his lavish pension set up,and replace him with a migrant who does not need a nanny for a quarter of the price he costs the British tax payer.
What a slap in the face to hard working Britons who cannot get work because of tax avoiding East Europeans under cutting their prices and their standards of living. Send him and his annoying wife to live in Romania.
how dare he! Migrants are here because the 'benefits' they have thrown at them are fantastic when compared to their own country - also they live 10 to a room so they pay little rent - a UK resident is not prepared to live with another family in 1 room just to save money - why should we? Bercow - shut your stupid mouth you are a complete idiot and out of touch
Ironic that someone who should never open his mouth was appointed Speaker .
Another Labour idiot who opens his big mouth before engaging brain. "I am here as a friend of Romania", you should have done the British public a huge favor and stopped there.
He should be replaced by a Romanian. See how he likes it.
Maybe we should import some Eastern European politicians then!!!
I BET BERCOW DOES NOT HAVE SIXTEEN ROMANIANS LIVING NEXT DOOR CRAMMED INTO A ONE-BEDROOM FLAT KEEPING HIM AWAKE ALL NIGHT. VOTE UKIP TO END THIS EU NONSENSE.
Why was he there anyway, he is going to pitch his comments to his audience, he is hardly going to go there and say how the benefits bill, housing stock and NHS have dramatically suffered since labours policy of unregulated immigration. Maybe he has the same verbal issues his wife has.
Who would have thought it possible that this nasty nasty little man , could become worse ????
Well he does have a point.
Not very good for the poorest 10% who saw their incomes fall 12% in the last 10 years, with a raft of further cuts vicious Tory cuts to come on top of that. Meanwhile whilst the richest 10% saw their income rise 37%. Anyway with the Tories on just 24% in the latest poll perhaps we could find a migrant worker to do Bercow's job somewhat better than him and for a tenth of the money after the next election? Yes and maybe one who didn't claim the maximum additional expenses allowance until 2008/09, or flip his homes a number of time to avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of not one but two properties, and then claim just under £1,000 from the tax payer to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. You would certainly have to go a long way to find someone who worked harder than Bercow at draining the public purse, a very long way indeed.
In that case, Bercow, let one of them have YOUR job.
Hey Bercow, you idiot! First they lower wages for everyone in the same job because they'll work for less. Next, how many people do they make jobless by stealing their jobs? How can it benefit Britain when you have to pay out more in unemployment benefits? No wonder the UK is in such bad shape with this clown in the job he is!
HEY BERCOW SHUT UP but then again maybe you have a point lets have a foreign worker take over as speaker of the house he/she will proberly do a better job then you, and then you and your attention seeking wife can disappear from public site.
That from someone who's never done an honest day's work in all his life.
I agree with him.
They want the average British worker to compete with what people from the poorest parts of Europe are willing to offer. Vote UKIP.
Just liked his loud-mouthed wife, speaks out without engaging his brain cell.
He would say that. He's of Romanian descent.
The UK is governed by complete idiots!! Bet none of these "hard working" Eastern Europeans live next door to Mr Bercow!! English, yeas NOT British, expat in Vietnam and so glad I am out of there.
What a Cuckoled old fool, it's not the skilled immigrant workers people get annoyed about! it is saturation of the unskilled labour market forcing Britons onto benefits & the immigrants that come solely to abuse the benefits system!
I presume that is inclusive of himself and all the other taxpayer funded cronies
I doubt the British are angry about those immigrants who do work hard and have succeeded in Britain. The problem is that not enough of these immigrants are succeeding and integrating in British society.
Quite right too... Some people don't think for themselves; Bercow is right. All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. But then we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our fears...
Is he one of those that thinks the British taxpayer owes the rest of the world a living
This is him being impartial is it?
He's been a disgrace for a long time, look at the wife.
disgusting comments from a man who has most likely never done a hard days graft in his life..? thank god we have people like nigel farage and UKIP on our side.
Well, the Romanians are much better pickpockets, metal 'finders' and benefit gatherers. But, of course, the silly little man did not mean that in trying to curry favour. Maybe they will keep him?
UK should get out of the European Union.
Bercow talks absolute rot - Our country needs fixing but it starts with giving us our pride back, pride to build things, pride not to have to compete with cheap rubbish from China, pride in our laws, pride in our people young and old. Lets not all go down the "service industry" drain - lets get back to having a good mix - a British mix of talent and respect and a few less cheap scroungers who purport to work hard so as to get in to the UK and then free load. UKIP all the way.
the mans a fool.
Why not. They (migrants) work more hours for less pay, don't mind getting exploited by businesses and have extremely low self esteem. Which business owner wouldn't like that kinda employee.
Hmmm I wonder if he would admit that a migrant was harder working than himself? If not is he just saying the rest of us are lazy? And I would suggest that any advantages on the whole are outweighed by the disadvantages... let's see on the left (for) hand we have 'hard working' ... on the right (against) ... clogs the NHS, needs ever more housing, needs access to education in already overcrowded schools and classes, let's not forget the thousands that don't actually want a job just the nice cushty lifestyle compared to their country of origin.... Methinks the 'against's' have it? Who else agrees? Country's Full UKIP
Fine if you have all your expenses paid, live in a huge free flat right next to where you work and have money to burn - who cares if public services on this small island are creaking under the strain, as long as John's all right.
Whether they are or not is immaterial. The jobs should be available to British workers at a fair rate. If the companies don't make as much money then they can stop paying themselves ludicrous wages. At the bottom of it all is people trying to make a buck off migrant workers, I thought we'd got past the era of robber barons !
He is 100% right, many graft and are fantastic. I don't believe hard working migrants are what people have a problem with. It's the people who come here and claim benefits, people are sick of the number of lazy shirkers who are both born here or emigrate here Sort them out!!!
so the fact that 1/3 babies is born to a foreign mum..and the scourns of foreigners on benefis..in council houses..using our NHS doctors/dentists...that's ok? whether tthey work or not the amount they cost is way more than the pittance they pay in
Mr Bercow's family of course are immigrants from Romania, where they were called Bercowitz.
Then lets have migrant MP's and put you lot on the dole! Bet that would hurt you incompetent toad!
This man DESERVES to be married to daft SALLY!! Crime has NEVER been higher in Britain since the flood gates were opened to Eastern Europeans, and it is only going to get worse and more dangerous. Silly man!
Why don't we just replace our greedy lazy expense scrounging government with Romanian politicians. Berkcow is a pot calling the kettle.
How my raspberries have you picked John boy?
Agree so can we have a migrant to replace this heap of dung then he can go home and work out how he and his stupid wife can pay the compensation due for shouting her fat gob off.
This is horrific. I'm going to send Mrs Fisher some money through the Daily Mail.
Keep repeating the liberal, left-wing mantra...Diversity is strength, Immigration only brings benefits, our communities are vibrant and enriched. (Repeat until brain dead or any ability to think for yourself has departed). ................................................................................. Depressingly true. As we have seen recently we have enough of our dross without importing it. Stop all immigration now and start deporting criminals.NOW.
The Labour legacy lives on, and on, and on, and on, and on....................................
why do we put up with this crap ....................COME ON DAVE AND YOUR PUPPET SORT IT OUT ..............................
We have enough of our own home grown POND LIFE. People should only be allowed to live here if they have a job and a sponsor (before they arrive).
Our urban communites downunder are suffering from the same problems with ill-equipped migrants who resort to crime and theft. The lefty cohort supports them come what may but the rest of us just leave the cities to them and seek safety in the countryside.
I'd suggest a security guard capable of doing the job. surprised he didn't hep the robbers. Hope Mrs Fisher fully recovers from such a horrible ordeal. - Pete, Lincs, 10/8/2011 Suppose you would have sorted them out? Easy to critisise when you are a few miles away isn't?
Great NU-Liebour a legacy of your stupid open door policies. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD.
Catch them, then deport them, then ban them from ever coming back into the UK.
It's the same here in Cyprus with the Eastern Europeans.
the reason nobody helped is because they didn't want a knife thrust into them. i have to admit i would only risk my life for my wife and children.
My sister was pick pocketed in Romford by a gang of east Europeans who followed her and got on the same bus as her. She had hand fulls of shopping and did not realize that she was being distracted by 2 of the gang while the others were going down her hand bag
If caught they will probably be let off as it was their "Human Right" to steal from an innocent elderly lady. In a truly Great Britain they would be sent down for 10 years with hard labour and then deported.
Their behaviour is as disgraceful as the behaviour of the perpetrators. Hopefully when they are found the will be immediately be deported - no mention of human rights - shirleyrose, yorks, 10/8/2011 13:48== Problem there is they simply turn round and come back by the next ship, car, lorry or whatever and start all over again. Border control - forget it. They won't even see when this type of scum return.
I bet this poor lady and all of her family are truly thankful for their enrichment bought upon us by callous , uncaring politicians of all parties. And when they get caught, we will have to pay for their benefits and won't be able to oust them from these shores. God bless the EU! and all the 3 major parties, cowards the lot of 'em.
I think I and many others are getting to the end of our tethers. ALL of these scumbags better get ready cos when we all turn,,,, we're turning big time.... Scumbags DONT rule us or our streets.... we do !!!!!
people keep voting lib/con/lab and this is what you get
Chuck out the Eastern Europeans and give the 'mob' youths rioting in the UK their low paid jobs, get them to work for their dole and rent money!! - maria, dubai, 10/8/2011 12:44 If it involves your own business and money would you really take the risk to employ some of those rioters?
as i have comented before, the only things these eastern block countries brings to the eu, is to export their criminals, well done the idiots at the eu that let them join, turkey next
I wonder how many of the DM readers making comments that someone should have helped would have actually done so themselves. The reward for getting involved these days is a blade through your chest.
How come nobody offered to help this poor woman ,that Security Guard should Sacked. Forget this European Law Germany and France dont abide by it, only our weak Politicions and Judges hide behide it. Any Politicion and Judge or Human Rights Mob who side with these robbers are guilty of Treason. Look after your own Citizens take a leaf out of Austrialia and Canada they know how to protect their Citizens.
Maybe the riots will actually have a positive effect....people are SO sick of how immigrants/thugs behave in this country that I think the tide may have turned. Instead of people turning a blind eye to stuff like this, I think they may actually start to retaliate. I'm sure that if one person tried to step in, others would too to back them up. It takes real guts to be first though..?
Is anybody surprised by this when we have all and sundry that are allowed to come here from these Countries, even if they have a criminal record. They have no homes and no jobs but they can come and steal and assult our own people. Any foreigner that comes here and committes a crime should be deported immediately Never mind the Human rights , or whether he is entitled to a family life, he gave all that up when he committed the crime. We have got to get tough over here. just look at the last few days and what has happened to our Country.
Det Con Barry Carter, of the Metropolitan Police, said: 'The incident has left the victim and her daughter extremely shaken.' We know that, plod. Your job is to catch the criminals, not to state the bleeding obvious! GET ON WITH IT, OR WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES!!!!
Tonyy Blair's open door policy certainly has a lot to answer for!
I was walking through a major shopping centre when 3 afro carribean lads starting trying to get my attention, whistling etc. I wasn't interested and also carrying my then two year old daughter. One ran up behind me and grabbed my shoulder spinning me round. He grabbed my hair and told me that when he was speaking to me I had better stop and acknowledge him. There were two security guards about 4 meters away who just stood looking. My daughter started to cry and I told him to let go of me. He punched me in the face. The security guards did nothing, they didn't even attempt to move. Infact no one did anything, on a saturday afternoon in a packed shopping centre. No one cares anymore.
i think its absolutely disgusting that people stood by and watched thi shappen and not a single person stepped in. I dont care how many robbers there were, an angry crowd of people would have been enough to make them run off. they are Bullies, plain and simple, and picking on an elderly lady in a wheel chair is a clear demonstration of that fact. Why did no one step up and help her? I'd have flown straight in. All i'd be able to think of is if that were my gran or nan, I'd hope that people would help her so how could i possibly stand by and not try to help? poor lady :(
I thought all Eastern Europeans were supposed to be hardworking and industrious and a credit to our country - DON'T THINK SO. DEPORT THEM or hang them if you like, personally I couldn't care so long as they're not allowed to scrounge here any longer.
Keep repeating the liberal, left-wing mantra...Diversity is strength, Immigration only brings benefits, our communities are vibrant and enriched. (Repeat until brain dead or any ability to think for yourself has departed).
what about all the people who would be standing around and watching. Their behaviour is as disgraceful as the behaviour of the perpetrators. Hopefully when they are found the will be immediately be deported - no mention of human rights.
I'd suggest a security guard capable of doing the job. surprised he didn't hep the robbers. Hope Mrs Fisher fully recovers from such a horrible ordeal.
We had incident at St Michaels, Croydon, where five Eastern Europeans, spilt a drink on one of our elderly parishoners, in the grounds to the rear of the church, as she was going to our Tea rooms for Lunch, She was held (pinioned) by the gang under the pretence of cleaning the fluid off her clothes whilst her handbang was stolen by one of the other gang members. The handbag contained over two hundred pounds, being her Mothers and her own pension just with drawn from Santander-about 30 yards from the church, it is presumed the lady was followed from the Bank.
We need to bring back the spirit of the Blitz! - Shirereeve, Abroad, 10/8/2011 08:59 Already have. Midlands cities being sacrificed for the sake of London as we speak
Well we have a skills shortage I that area that's why we need to import from the Europe. You only have to looking at the TV and see all our home grown criminals are otherwise busy.
They should boycott Debenhams & sack the firm that provided the security, WHERE WERE THE POLICE!!! Were their no men shopping in the store?? There must be cctv of this applalling asault. FIND & DEPORT THE SCUM!!
All we hear from people is how lazy ourcitizens are and how hard working Eastern Europeans are. There are some evil ones among them and many are in jail as the ECHR travesty of justice stops us from deporting them. They are living free in prison with televisions, food menus etc. There are good and bad in every country and all the people I know are very hard working. I have also read about graduates cleaning toilets as they WANT to work. Anon
Another sad story involving a defenceless pensioner. When & if all this dross are caught a stiff sentence in prison followed by instant deportation. The Debenhams security guard did nothing, sack him & then as a goodwill gesture refund her with her lost pension along with some vouchers.
This will go on, as long as you keep voting Lib/Lab/Con.
Chuck out the Eastern Europeans and give the 'mob' youths rioting in the UK their low paid jobs, get them to work for their dole and rent money!!
Due to Nu Labour's open door policy these types of vermin are flooding in.
Yep, welcome to multicultural Britain! Thanks to the last 30 years of liberal, do-gooder, pc government!
Oh, Eastern Europeans eh, apparently here because of a skill shortage? Sort it out Cameron, and quickly!
This breaks my heart, the elderly must be terrified living in scum-bag Britain today. The security Guard wouldn't help. Her daughter should have screamed for help, I bet you a member of the public would have !. Shame on Debenham's . I hope Emily makes a full recovery.
Boycott Debenhams! They obviously don't give a flying one! If the defenceless can't fight back physically, they will have to do so by other means. We need to bring back the spirit of the Blitz!
I have worked with both latvians & poles.the comments from them were if brits went to their countries we would find it hard to get jobs and in one instance a polish girl admitted that other than food,rent and getting about she spent very little of her money in the Uk preferring to spent it at home where she said that goods were cheaper and the quality better.
They were to be the new Liebour voters poor Eastern Europeans in poorly paid jobs and given all the help from the state look how we look after you vote Liebour. May that vile and malignant party never attain power again in this country.
Referendum equals democracy? Answer britain dosnt have a working democracy.We have people posting and asking to remove us out of the EU we dont get the chance.
Apart from the loons in the Labour party, I expect everyone knew years ago that immigration of the last decade would bring little if any benefits to the UK's economy. It was obvious that the hordes queuing up at Calais or stepping off the regular buses from Europe were not coming here to start up companies, build factories, lead the way in medicine, invest in the economy etc. We could clearly see that taken in total, it would just drain our public services.
Blair and Brown were being told that before they opened the flood gates. These Eastern Europeans have cost this country billions, they claim for housing allowance, childrens allowence. No one checks that the claims are legitimate. All immigrants no matter where they are from must pay at least ten years income tax before any benefits are paid
Anything that puts a burden on a country's infrastructure cannot be seen as a boost. The NHS is on its knees, the education system is struggling to cope with the amount of extra pupils, there is no social housing so private landlords are rubbing their hands in glee and the tapayer picks up the bill. The simple fact is that the UK is bursting at the seems and we really can't afford to maintain people from other countries.
I've always wondered what the reaction would in Poland if one million British people arrived there to work. I suspect the Poles would not take the same complacent, apathetic view as the British.
How in the world have any of these people from the former eastern block countries done anything for this little island ,What they have done is come here reap the benefits like have money sent back to families who are said to have children back home and at the same time increased our population ,caused a demand on the NHS, used up accomodation slowed our childrens education in schools because there families don't try and help with english as they want to be here but they have not the slightest intention of learning our language . So to any one who says that we've gained something . I say what and prove it .
Dear Sirs, Please, note that not all Eastern European migrants are parasites living on British soil. I am 30 years old Polish woman. I have been living and working in the UK since 2004. I have never claimed a benefit . I was raised with a strong work ethic! Also, I am in the middle of doing the degree in Computer Science(which I am funding myself). I am fond of your rich culture and obey the law. Surely, my presence is not a threat to your economy.
And even if it had been significant, can you imagine that the opposite would have happened in their countries of origin? If they boost the economy abroad they surely can't be boosting it in their countries as wel, can they? Should some countries become rich by exploiting people from other countries? The same goes for importing doctors and nurses from countries that badly need them but well, nobody cares, do they? When they talk about importing the best, do they give these things a thought at all?
What Think Tank did not say is why? Immigrants are for cheap labour for the Labour PartyÂ’s chums, the industrialist. They have made pots of money even if the economy is worse off. Oh, Think Tank will probably be in touch with me. Might help them out in future if the money is good.
A couple of yrs ago a programme called Bobski the builder was aired. The Polish " builder" went back to Poland to hire a friend who packed all his own food and worked here for about 6 weeks. He paid no tax or NI.. and in the process depriving UK tradesmen of the work who do pay taxes etc. Factor in all these " losses" to our treasury and I would be suprised if we gained at all
The local elections are coming up and that is the chance we need for everyone to say "enough is enough" and vote for UKip. They are not going to get into power via the local elections but it can send a loud and clear message to the main parties that the country has had enough of our own leaders turning their back on us, our values and traditions in favour of those who have never (and most will never) put anything into this country but will continue to bleed us dry. It is totally unfair that our own people are struggling to make ends meet, losing their jobs and their homes and yet we continue to take more and more scroungers in so that they can take the money from a kitty that they have never put a penny into and yet those who have paid into the system are ignored in favour of the scroungers and worse than that is the fact that the immigrants/migrants get far more in the way of benefits than those who have paid into the system.. c'mon UK, wake up and get us out of the EU Vote Ukip
Mass immigration was always just an excuse to drive wages down for the working classes, Labour was and is full of marxist zealots whose agenda is equality for all nations even at the expense of their own citizens.......and unbelievably the working classes voted for it not once but three times.
How much more money is going to be spent on these reports proving what most of us already know. Let's go through this again without spending a penny - these people were never intended to boost our economy. They were imported by the criminal syndicate to boost their chances of perpetual power through bribery for votes. The staggering amount of money they have cost us in everything from public services to benefits was built into the criminal levels of money borrowed by Gordon Brown's 'government' To new Labour the cost of their votes was priceless and the consequences of that unannounced policy plain to see.
Is this a case of lies, dam lies and statics? Does this research take into account any effect on the productivity of “domestic” workers? If thousand of Brits decided to go onto benefits at the same time, causing a big drop in output, or average wages were suppressed then those migrants could have more than compensated for it. As for making a net contribution to the economy, I'm lead to believe that someone has had to earn something like £40+ a year or so to do so, much more than the average wage so most people don’t really add much anyway.
More info from the University of the Bleedin' Obvious.
Amazing that the last Labour government spoon fed us all on believing that the influx from Easter Europe was a good thing for the economy. Yet I see many selling the Big Issue in our streets. Ididnt realise that this magazine contributed so much to the UKs economy!
Another point; in Spain everybody was told mass immigration was good for the economy, then years later the Socialist government quietly began paying them to go home to South America because they realized it wasn't good at all, now Spain has 5 million unemployed.
As usual, far right approach to any immigration. I suggest looking at certain facts, like one major one, that most of the immigration which came here only worked on low level wages, national minimum as a matter of fact. Therefore, most of the well paid jobs still remained within British citizens who in addition could fix their plumbing, build a shed, have a caretaker for their children or a courier-driver to bring them ordered supplies, for which they spent less as opposed to the situation when those low wage jobs were not taken at all, because many English people rather than working low wage preferred staying on benefits!
So how do we get rid of the millions that have come here in the last ten years who are depleting the economy in DHSS payments and housing benefits? Answer - you can't. We must act now. Close the gates so NO ONE gets in, and turf out those who shouldn't be here. All visas cancelled. Then weigh up the damage done by these profilgate and useless politicians, and start rebuilding our society once again, making sure ALL immigrants speak and practice the British way of life. If not, out you go. But I can't see this happening with our useless lot of spineless jellyfish politicians. So goodbye what used to be Britain. I'm off to the good ole US of A.
The Left called us racists even going back to the 70's and Labour sneaked in the Race Discrimination bill to protect these immigrants. When you allow mass immigration without visas, checks both qualifications and health you get a drain on national resources. Most of the indeginous population knew this would happen, new the entrance to the Common Market wouldn't benefit Britain. Hitler must be laughing in his grave watching the cave in of a once great nation without a single shot being fired. The only way forward is to start voting for a minority party, all three of the main parties are weak, useless, pathetic, and their MPs in it for their own gain, with no loyalty to the indeginous population. God help you all, because you are sinking.
Best read the report quickly then, version two will be out soon proving that immigrants are far better for the country than its natives. We can't have anyone telling us the truth, especially if it doesn't fit in with Government policy
Mass immigration was always just an excuse to drive wages down for the working classes, Labour was and is full of marxist zealots whose agenda is equality for all nations even at the expense of their own citizens.......and unbelievably the working classes voted for it not once but three times.
Trevor, you ask "what's going to be done about it?" Let me answer that for you. As in every other churning out of this "revelation," over several years ...... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. We will never be told the billions it has cost us to house, feed, educate, treat medically and throw welfare benefits at! No political party has the will, or the courage to enforce the will of the people. But they are not the only ones to blame for the ruination of Britain. We, the people who have stood by and watched our country being swamped with economic migrants and those who will never feel a seconds allegiance to our once great nation, must also accept much of the responsibility. History will show this to be the greatest tragedy of all time. Stop all immigration NOW and remove us from the undemocratic EU. But I fear it's all too little, too late.
The important number is the GDP per head of the population. Immigration reduced it and any effect was therefore negative.
Many of us knew that such immigration would be a real problem even in the 1950s - we were assured that immigrants were needed to fill the jobs that British people did not want! We were even content to encourage our millions of British migrants to go to countries like Australia - the millionth of whom sailed to Australia in 1955. Now the jobs that British people did not want are no longer available to British people. Sad that so many are still so short sighted.
Well I never, you could knock me down with a feather, you mean to say that Liebour were telling us porky's all along. Who would have believed it?
That wretched government should hold their head in shame ,what I cannot understand is why no one is accountable,that government and its immigration policies will and will always be "NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE".
As i understand it, anyone earning less than 24k, is not paying enough tax, to even cover all the services he will use, so if someone comes to the uk, and gets a job paying 15k, that person dosent pay enough tax, to even cover his own needs, and has to have his services subsidised for him, So thier is no real point in letting in unskilled people, now a doctor that comes to the uk, and makes 150k, he would be making a big contribution to uk.
the only beneficiaries were big business. the fact that this happened under labour and that the people to suffer most from it are labour voters should bring shame upon all labour mp's.
The cost of keeping these migrants in terms of public services, and the cost to the general public caused by the lack of housing, increased crime and loss of their jobs, far outweighs any dubious benefits. It has always been a lie that migrant labour and immigration has benefited this country. Politicians have fed us the lie over and over again because they know that we now have no control over our borders, they have sold our soul to the E.U.
All these leaders blatantly lie to us. We should be used to it by now. Why does it always take so long to tell us what we already know? It is high time that the majority of the public stopped voting for these parties that do nothing to benefit the British people and do everything to upset their lives. - Richard Clarke (ex-pat), South Carolina. USA, 02/5/2011 07:3 YOU THINK YOU HAVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE YOU CAN VOTE, but once they are in power they dictate what will be !! Do you believe your in a Democracy now ????
NO - really? Never??? Who would have thought it???? Are the British people the only ones who knew this, why is it that the 'powers that be' have only just realised?
This period will eventually be known as the time when the UK pillaged the world. We are constantly made to feel guilty by the left over our colonial days when we supposedly took resources from the rest of the world. In the modern world the most valuable resources are knowledge and ambition and that is what we are taking. Poland trains the doctors it needs, we take them for our use. The people with drive that should lead a country to better things with their ingenuity all come to the UK. Immigration is doing no one any good at all. Not us and certainly not the poor countries we are robbing. Even asylum on the scale it is now used is wrong. If all the gays leave Iran and come here, who will support future gays there? The only way these places will change is if we support the people staying there that cam make a difference.
Another MYTH! that mass immigration to the country has a benefit, did they include the cost of keeping British working people on the dole because most of the new jobs created went to foreign workers and that most send money back home, which has no benefit to this country and what about benefit payments.
Never trust a word a polictian tells you - we all learnt that during the Blair years, this just reinforces it. The man lied, lied and lied, and if he didn't need to lie, he'd still lie anayway, just to keep in practice.
I have come to the reluctant conclusion that he EU is very bad for us. All that has happened is that the foreign work force take our jobs, we pay out loads to the EU for the privilage, we have stacks of foreign criminals and can't deport them, our services are overwhelmed, they don't buy our goods, our population is alianated, they have no loyalty to Britain and look back to their home countries and that goes for none EU migrants as well, and generally I can't see any benefit. We are poorer and fast becoming a minority and goodness knows how it will be when they really get the upper hand. The only comfort I can derive is that eventually they will vote for their own politicians and kick ours out.
Thanks Labour Oh and while I am at it the Liberals had an opportunity to side with the Tories to stop this mass immigration policy of liar and Brown but renieghed on it. So thanks Cable that should make you happy to. STOP denigrating the nation its core values and belifes And some one pleaseeeeeeeee start a real campaign to get us out of the EU. But instead of being meek get some real backing and money to fight this slide into obscurity and national insignificance.
'of little or no economic benefit..'. Yes and that's exactly what the (old) House of Lords Committee reported about all immigration, way back in 2007. Immigration was not about economic benefits. For ZanuLabour it was purely about bringing ethnic change to Britian.
The politicians are the top don't know what it's like in low paid jobs when you're competing for jobs and getting replaced by cheap labour. They get cheaper nannies and cleaners and businessmen love cheap labour so they don't care either. It's tough for the working class who just want a decent wage and standard of living for a full time job. But now unemployment is high and wages slashed in a race to the bottom
Not only was the Eastern European migrants' boost to economy 'insignificant', but they caused severe strain on our infrastructure and increased our costs (eg schools, languages, benefits etc) disproportionately. This applies even more so to the glut of Third World immigrants. The electorate has been acutely aware and opposed to this for a long time. When are the MPs we elected to act on our behalf going to do something about it?
Well surprise, surprise!!!
Well I had worked that out long ago. They earn less and the money saved goes to the people who pay them and then they put in the bank. If the money paid in wages went to Brits they would spend it in our economy buying goods which would make more work here at home. Eastern European workers mostly bank their wages and then spend the money in their home countries. So ultimately the employers who hire them lose out. They really are very dim. Short term thinking as usuall. I bet they didn't factor in the amount spent extra in keeping our own people out of work and the amount paid out in benefits and the strain on services by a larger population either.
@"So, what is going to be done about it?" Get out of the sinking EU as fast as possible!!! That's what has to be done.
Don't forget they depressed wages too, resulting in more people on the dole. Put together the benefits they can now claim, the fact all they earn goes back out of the country, it is probably billions negative.
Not only did Eastern European migration to the UK have no positive impact on our economy but the huge benefits payouts even after they had returned home must have made their influence on the economy very much less than beneficial. Then when you take into account the thousands of British workers who lost jobs to the Eastern European economic migration and the cost in benefits to pay for those put out of work, there is not even a slim chance of positive outcome from the Labour immigration madness. Perhaps Labour thought that by allowing hundreds of thousands of ex communists into the UK their socialist future was assured. Sadly they did not realise that ex communists like capitalism more.
Let's not be too despondent: we have another million or so migrants to welcome to our country when other countries join the EEC: or maybe our political masters will admit to the mistakes of the past?
The BNP was warning about this for years. And guess what: it is about to get very VERY much worse with new EU rules, and that will be nothing compared to the millions waiting in the wings for Turkeys membership.
Before we can sort our `immigration problem out we have to get out of the EU. Because they dictate to us how many we will have to take, and all the EU countries can come here when they like to live and work and we cannot stop them. Or easier option Thursday vote BNP or UKIP>
blair/browns experiment with immigration, is coming apart at the seems,but immigration will still go on unchecked, dont believe a word the major parties say about immigration
We knew this all along but try telling the politicians who have their own private, agendas. The East Europeans will now be allowed to work in France and Germany, although I'm sure most of them will still head here, for the benefits, so let's see how they like their Farcical Union now.
So, what is going to be done about it? - trevor, ammanford, wales, 02/5/2011 08:00 In a word, NOTHING.
This is not news to us. Neither will it be news to a long line of traitorous politicians. We have learned one thing from all we have endured. That conmen are really good at conning.
I don't think a prime minister ever came into office with so much opportunity to unite the best parts of this country behind him. Cameron could have held an EU referendum, torched QUANGOs, halted immigration, scrapped the human rights scam, cut foreign aid, etc. We'd be putting him up for sainthood right now. Instead he chose to yield to every capricious whim from Brussels and to pussyfoot around hoping not to upset anybody. He panders and appeases just like a marxist. He's worse than nothing. When he leaves a room it must feel like someone has just walked in. I cannot adequately express my contempt.
Who needs a think tank to tell us the public what we already knew,its the people in power who need to get there heads out of the sand and face reality
The politicians are at each otherÂ’s throats over AV which the Yes campaign tell us we will have more control over our MP's my response is it has an A two L's and an S and rhythms with Halls. The public want a referendum on the EU,the majority would bring back hanging, immigration is not wanted,Iraq,Afghanistan etc,etc so this information comes as no surprise but in our so called democracy it means nothing because the destroyers of democracy sitting in Parliament could not care less about our views on anything.
In Gloucester we had/have a very large influx of migrant workers - those who were here to make money spent as little as possible whilst sending the rest home. Those who stayed were those who looked forward to the rewards provided by breading. Most of the earlier migrants I knew have returned to their own countries - because of the way the economy was heading - and upon returning received their British State agreed couple of thousand payment. As for working ethics they were the same as anyone else, once they were securely employed - if they were not then they were exploited for the simple reason they lacked knowledge of their rights and were disposable as all agency staff are.
So!!! The bains of the outfit got it wrong AGAIN along with the brains who told us that there would be only 13,000 wanting to come. Only 12 months previous they were sneking in on the backs of a lorries.
Why do we need think tanks to tell us what we already know. It would be far better if some so called think tank "Think Tank what a stupid name" told us how to reverse this total disaster.
another Labour triumph. impossible calculate the damage Bliar did
A boost to our misery, yes. A boost to the unemployment benefits for our own people.
Let's wreck the place, Oh sorry labour have beaten us to it
Since most of them took the entry level jobs our schoolleavers would normally take, has anyone counted the cost to the country in benefits and broken dreams, and the creation of a lost generation.
I'm not a well educated man but I knew that what most immigrants take out of the country is 10 fold compared to what they would put in. These politicians lack foresight and only think of the benefits to themselves.
This so called "boost" equates to less than £700 per immigrant, but how much has it cost us, with extra hospital beds being taken, extra housing being taken (with benefits), plus all the extra infrastructure demanded. SOME BOOST
I was NEVER asked if I wanted this for our Country. Neither was anyone else.
Substitute the word insignificant in the headline for 'a drain' and we will be nearer the truth.
Can someone please tell me how immigration can benifit Britain when thousands of the indiginous population are put on the dole.
Mass immigration confers absolutely no benefits whatsoever, other than the opportunity to have an Indian, Chinese or Thai meal. It completely distorts the economy. Not only must it be stopped - it must be reversed. I'm sick to the back teeth of people saying that we've always had immigration. It is at best a half truth. The majority of immigrants in the past have come from northern Europe, people's with whom we have much in common. The last mass immigration was that of the Huguenots. Negroes from the West Indies and Lascars from India arrived in drips and drabs. Immigration in the past was nothing like that we have seen since 1948.
Everyone with any common sense knew this.The evil empire knew this as well-but decided to punish its unappreciative electorate by swamping them with immigrants who would take their jobs. Dont you just love the Left wing mindset!
Right your admitting it was wrong to let them all in now can you send them all home you useless idiot politicians
" a groundbreaking report. " , what a load of rubbish. From the start the Poles told us they were only here to earn enough money to build a family house in their homeland, they were not here to help our economy as they always said they were going back to Poland as soon as they had earned enough money.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE LABOUR LOT ?
no! well i,ll never believe the goverment again......
They didn't need experts to come up with this answer, so send all these Europeans home, and stuff the EU!
Once again the facts show that Blair, Brown and NuLab Rabble were lying! In many countries such deception would warrant a trip to court and then a jail sentence. Why not in this country?
Only one party will close the borders and end welfare dependency.... but we don't want to talk about those "racists". The establishment, who started multiculturalism in the first place, will fix it.
Another point; in Spain everybody was told mass immigration was good for the economy, then years later the Socialist government quietly began paying them to go home to South America because they realized it wasn't good at all, now Spain has 5 million unemployed.
I have just stayed in Oxford for the weekend...Almost all of the workers in the hotel, bars, restaurants, shops were non-English...No wonder there are so many people out of work...
A vibrant economy will attract migrants who will be good for that economy. Not likely to get many now, with the economy less than flatlining over the last six months. Try multiplying 100 by .995 and then multiplying the result by 1.005. See what I mean. Osborne couldn't organise a nut roast in a burning hazel forest!
Labour and tory will never put an end to immigration as long as they are voted into power time after time after time,They will never allow a referendum on the E.U.so vote for a party that will the choice is yours.
Yes, we knew all that, but noone listened, drowned out by the noise of the wet bedding do gooders.
At least no mansions will go empty.
wow , imigrants take our jobs and ship money abroad,, and this is of no benifit to our country,,,, who would have thought ????
We all know this, the reason why nothing is done is, the EU requires it, the UK politicians almost to a man/woman supports the EU. If we wait for them to act as we wish, we wait in vain. As far as the Lib/Con/Lab politicians are concerned, things are progressing fine,as the EU planned. The only way is to demand British independence by withdrawing from the European Union now.
Clues in the word 'think tank'; a group made up of libral accademics that have never done a days work in their lives, and don't live in the real world.
Eastern European immigrants are not a problem. They don't come with weird chips on their shoulders about 'empire', and they don't bring bizarre religious baggage with them. They should be encouraged.
How could an influx of foreign workers possibly 'boost' the economy? Any money that they earn goes pack to Poland, yet they are entitled to claim all kinds of benefits. They drive Polish registered cars, which neither the DVLA or the police keep track of, that aren't taxed, insured or MOT'd here. I ask again; hw could a situation like that POSSIBLY boost our economy?!?!?!
Ah look at that. Another renewed attack on Labour's 'open door' migration policy. Will this renewed attack result in anything being done about it by the Coalition? It's doubtful. Cameron hasn't done anything more than just whine in the media about how incensed and furious he is when it comes to Brussels. He's never actually refused a EuroQUANGOcrat whim and I doubt that he ever will. I won't be voting for him again.
Wheras their current drain on our economy IS significant!!
The argument often put forward that the NHS would collapse without immigration misses the point that they also use the NHS causing the need for more staff, it's another pyramid scheme, and the same applies to any of the public services.
The influx of Eastern Europeans, asylum seekers, benefit tourists, overseas 'students' and their relatives have succeeded in turning this nation into a third rate, overpopulated and unpleasant place to live. In fact the sheer numbers and 'diversity' are destroying the very things they came here for. The next wave will be Arabs form North Africa (already on their way) and the final straw will be Turkey entering the EU.
As an ex-pat, vehemently opposed to the EU on a nationalistic and ideological level I am still amazed that normal people in the UK seem blasé about the whole thing. When will the majority realise that the EU is not a good thing. RS, Brisbane------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes me too RS, when we heard yesterday that the EU are removing England from the map and merging it into France as the Arc Manche region, you would imagine people would be very very angry. Immigrants have brought NO BENEFIT to this country in the huge numbers that arrive here, more rhetoric about doing something about it is rubbish, we are bound by EU rules and from May 1st even give them benefits on arrival. The Lisbon Treaty overrules our British Constitution, we no longer govern our own country. How dare the Coalition work against their own people, how dare they continue to destroy us. Leave the EU now and return immigrants without work visas home!
".....He added: 'This is the last nail in the coffin of LabourÂ’s immigration policy.'....." ------------ I don't agree. The last nail will be the entire undoing of LabourÂ’s immigration policy. Unfortunately, the ECHR and our compliant government and judiciary will ensure that nail is never taken out of the box, let alone banged in.
The point is being missed here, now that the UK has to immediately pay benefits to anyone coming from these so called EU countries in Eastern Europe, then just watch a tidal wave of the lower end of their societies turn up on our shores. Our weak ineffective governmenty will just say ' We cannot do anything about it'
Hi Brits - we love you. I`d love to write longer comment but.. I must go back to work:). Do not believe that cheap propaganda!!!
i am an eastern european i get 300 a week from wich i save 50.i pay rent transport food gym and the 200 i save each month go towards my saving with wich i plan to get a mortgage HERE togheter with my husband! so yeah they allllll going to my country.
They actually drain the economy by sending a lot of their money back home. Anyone who couldn't foresee that isn't fit to be in government.
'Over the same period (2004-2009) Britain's GDP grew by £98bn - of which 5 per cent can be attributed to immigration, the NIESR said.' That's 5% more than George Osbourne's managed. Since when has £5bn been insignificant?
Blair and Browns legacy are with us now and forever and will come into fruition in 30/50 years when the English will be a minority peoples! Well done nu labour!!
There should be a way to reverse this migration and preventing it from happening again. One way would be for us to leave the EC but that is too much to hope for with all our pro EC politicians. No migran from Europe should be provided with any public services e.g. housing, medical treatment etc/.and should be subject to expulsion if found committing any crime including motoring offences. Companies recruiting foreign workers e.g. bus drivers etc., should assume full rsponsibility for all actions of the migrant and for all consequences of that employment
Well done Labour you complete bunch of idiots. A ten year old could have told you that this was not a good idea.
Benefits are far too high in the UK and will continue to attract poorer citizens of the EU. It being not worth working and State dependency is one of the major factors which broke Portugal. The UK will now go the same way. Benefits need to be uniform throughout the EU if it is to survive. This will result in people in the UK having to work if they want the life style of the average employee.
It's taken a `ground-breaking report' from a `resprected think-tank' to disclose the perfectly perishin' obvious? That's because the politicians who should have seen it coming are blind, blind, blind! Every eastern european who finds employment in this country does a job that ought to have been done by a Briton. Some 80% of jobs created under New Labour went to foreign nationals whilst Britons languished on the dole, costing the taxpayer tens of billions of pounds in benefits each year. All the entry-level posts that should have been available to school-leavers were taken by those from overseas, leaving a betrayed generation who are now de-motivated and all but un-employable. The ramifications will last 50 years and more. Meanwhile, many outsiders worked long enough to qualify for social-security benefits both for themselves and their families back home. Many others work in the black economy and pay no tax at all. Quite simply; it's ruined us.
All these jobs should have been taken by the UK unemployed. As well as reducing the benefits bill this would have saved on the additional services and housing required by the immigrants.
Wait until Turkey is admitted into the EU. Not only will there be a massive influx from there but from beyond via its porous borders. What's more, if we are not a poor country why are we paying such poor wages for jobs that only immigrants will take them? There are enough native Brits to do all jobs - from the lowest to highest levels. And if an immigrant hasn't got a job or money to support themselves we should show them the door anyway - as in Germany, yes a fellow EU country!
Why is it necessary to waste money on a report to tell us what anyone with intelligance would have known. It's all totally pointless as nothing will be done anyway, immigrants from Europe will continue to be allowed entry and the jobless numbers will continue to grow.
In all honesty, I think we already knew this...................
2/5/2011 I still cannot believe that people stil vote Labour,the voting population hold all the cards but still insist in putting the same pro E.U, and pro immigrant partie's back into power. If you want a curb on immigration and an exit from the E.U. then surely your vote must be U.K,I,P. If you vote otherwise you are agreeing with unlimited immigration and paying £48 million a day into the corrupt E.U coffers. OGGA1.
The fact that immigrants cost the UK more than they contribute has been known for years and Denmark - who over the past few years have made it more difficult for immigrants to enter the country - recently reckoned that they have saved 15billion euros a year by so doing. I have not seen this news published anywhere in the UK, but it was in the Economist.
2/5/2011 I still cannot believe that people stil vote Labour,the voting population hold all the cards but still insist in putting the same pro E.U, and pro immigrant partie's back into power. If you want a curb on immigration and an exit from the E.U. then surely your vote must be U.K,I,P. If you vote otherwise you are agreeing with unlimited immigration and paying £48 million a day into the corrupt E.U coffers. OGGA1.
And they need a thinktank to tell us what we already know , what a bunch of gonks
They certainly had a significant impact on the construction industry, as you would be well aware of if you were self-employed in that sector, trying to compete with Polish cowboys working for peanuts.
The cost of having huge areas of your country changed beyond recognition cant be calculated in monetary terms,and i dont believe these figures for a moment,the costs in housing and all benifits.policing,healthcare etc make them a drain on you rather then a credit.
They haven't included the cost to our NHS, the number of Births to Foreign born women, the Gps over loaded with New patients that do not speak English. The cost of providing accommodation, before our own English people. The shear volume of crime and police time.
Most people that I know thought that this was the case many years ago. Now it is proved with statistics. The last Labour government should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for implementing such a policy. Blair should be brought to task and prosecuted for his criminal warmongering and his responsibility for the chaos he has caused. I fervently hope Labour never ever get into power again and that this coalition government can get its finger out and actually do something positive.
So, what is going to be done about it?
Now that Dragon is laid - ie the myth that 'immigration is good for the economy of the country' - can we accept that there is NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER from immigration - and STOP IT NOW ?
No! Do you think? Do you mean to say that we are not in an economic seventh heaven to compensate us for being swamped by strangers in our own land? No doubt Vince will apologise for misleading us then? Thought not!
I will lay two things: First this is only a partial report which contrast from other reliable sources that say the immigrants indeed did contribute with the GNP of this country. Most of them filled job vacancies that no British wanted to and the employers were happy of those immigrants. Others are highly skilled and contribute with their talent to different sectors in science, arts and others amid the shortage of qualified British candidates, don't forget the report of Tesco in Northamptonshire looking for workers in Slovakia. Second dont' blame the immigrants of the economical and financial mess in which this country is inmersed, blame the government and top bankers. Look at Germany the most powerful economy in Europe, besides good management they acknowledge the contribution of their immigrants who work hardly.
Okay, now we know what the 'boost' was. Can we now know the cost of NHS, schooling, public services, housing, crime, translation, and the rest of the expense associated with this torrent of unwanted immigration?
so the pluses of mass migration half a percent rise in the economony minusus. prisons. hospitals. water surply. schools .all at breaking point. there was only a few labour MPs who could nott foresee this. unless the did and set out to destroy the country.
All these leaders blatantly lie to us. We should be used to it by now. Why does it always take so long to tell us what we already know? It is high time that the majority of the public stopped voting for these parties that do nothing to benefit the British people and do everything to upset their lives.
This is Labour's legacy. There will be no change in the pattern of movement from Eastern Europe, because no other country in Europe is as soft as the UK on immigration, benefits, housing, and a general free ride. When an immigrant can claim benefits here for his absent family (who are already claiming benefits in his home country too), and also take on black market work, plus get free housing and health services, why on earth would they leave?
Eastern Europeans can now work in France, however unless they can speak fluent French and have provide evidence of skills, their chance of finding work is very low. Employment agencies in the UK accepted polish immigrants without proof of skills, how many Brits would they accept on trust alone? Even if your polish plumber/electrician is qualified, if he can't speak English how can he possibly understand UK by-laws and safety requirements.
This report must be wrong, I see some of them quite often, going to "work" with their "tools" IE accordions and trumpets!
Not only was the boost insignificant, how much did it cost Britain in the money they sent home. Add to that having to keep people 'on the dole'. I think the boost was not even a boost, but more an 'anti-boost' with Britain losing out. The problem is with the Governments we get Britain always loses out.
Had the flood of immigrants largely consisted of qualified people, i.e. doctors, scientists, self-employed tradesmen etc., we would have been enriched as a nation. However, it didn't. The majority of immigrants are, or will be, benefits dependent, either now or in the future. They will contribute little and be a drain on the welfare state. But, hey, they'll be bound to vote Labour, won't they??
Selective use of figures and facts by the DM as usual. The report yesterday emphasised the financial benefits to the UK earned from taxation etc, and the corresponding permanent loss of growth to France and Germany. But why let the truth get in the way of a story.
Oh dear, another inconvenient truth comes home to roost.
How many more times do we all have to say it "STOP allowing non-British people to settle in the UK." Control immigration with an iron fist. The government needs to start listening to the British public.
Someone isn't doing their sums properly. For evey migrant that comes here, it means that there is one more person on benefits for the lifetime of that migrants stay. Add in any medical benefits, housing benifits, schooling for the children, policing for any wrong doing and the change in the crime patterns such as the increase in knife and gun crime and maternity benefits. We are not talking of a highly skilled migrant workforce who come here and can stand alone without the state. Then there is the inffrastructure that has to be built to service the needs of the millions who have come here. Roads, schools, hospitals and housing. All diverted from existing communities to service a new workforce, depriving the existing population
Well....my job in construction went to immigrants... And now my 2 sons are unemployed ,unable to get work mainly due to cheap imported labour taking all the work I left...and never regretted it...
We know that, all that happened was that poorly paid British workers got even lower salaries due to competition from immigrants. This happens the world over, and now our poor working class (those that have the decency to work) are worse off. Mind you the ruling classes got even cheaper cleaners & plumbers so they didnt care, neither did our politicians, and Labour specifically who used to be the champion of the working man??? Shame on them all.. You know the average working class person cant afford to even get on the property ladder. I had a Fork Lift Driver worker in my last company who earned 15k a year... he had no kids because he couldn't afford them and he was British, not an immigrant.
We know that, all that happened was that poorly paid British workers got even lower salaries due to competition from immigrants. This happens the world over, and now our poor working class (those that have the decency to work) are worse off. Mind you the ruling classes got even cheaper cleaners & plumbers so they didnt care, neither did our politicians, and Labour specifically who used to be the champion of the working man??? Shame on them all.. You know the average working class person cant afford to even get on the property ladder. I had a Fork Lift Driver worker in my last company who earned 15k a year... he had no kids because he couldn't afford them and he was British, not an immigrant.
Did anyone seriously think that they would - more crap from Labour .
I would like to have seen some of these hardworking, honest, qualified immigrants replace and compete with the last government (Labour) posts/positions. That would have brought the costs down, and made them more competitive. Then we could also replace town councillors with similiar cost effective units, that would have stopped Council Tax rising by much more than inflation! Well done Tony and Gordon for making us all realise that New Labours version of socialism was just a naive and expensive pipedream that has to be paid for, in the end!
I fail to understand why anyone thought that they MAY have been a benefit to the economy. All that's happened is that the NHS, schools and other institutions are now totally overwhelmed with the influx of people who have no particular right to be here, and who have little or no interest in our country anyway!
As an ex-pat, vehemently opposed to the EU on a nationalistic and ideological level I am still amazed that normal people in the UK seem blasé about the whole thing. When will the majority realise that the EU is not a good thing. It costs the British taxpayer a lot of money to be members, for no return. The negatives outweigh the benefits by many times over. You are all being scammed by Westminster and Brussels. If the UK has any decency and pride left, get out now.
That 0.38% will soon vanish once the benefits free for all fiasco starts for Eastern Europeans. Britain has now reached an impasse as far as immigration is concerned, the problem being compounded further by a weak, apathetic coalition unwilling to do anything about the ever increasing numbers. Soon, British taxpayers, who have already had enough, will start to leave the country in droves and the economic migrants along with our own home bred scroungers will put such a huge strain on the economy that the UK will eventually face a social and economic meltdown of catastrophic proportions.
and this comes as a suprise ,most of their earnings leave the country ,and the rest are on the social security.
How do you calculate for non working wives and children being a drain on resources ? You need to include these
This article is of no surprise - as the mass immigration from Eastern Europe was not only a very bad idea from your government but degrading to the UK citizens looking for a well paid job...Anyway, the Eastern Europeans etc.. send their money home to their families - It's their countries who wil benifit the most - but that's not a surprise either as the EU had this worked-out years ago...OUT OF EU NOW!!!!!
Tell us something we dont know already ! They contributed hardly anything because -most lived ten to a house spending very little on rent! Spent very little money in the shops or local economy -but saved it and sent most of it back to their families in Poland or wherever they hailed from! .The only people who benefitted were the big food stores (as they still had to buy food) the employers ,factory owners and farmers! Manwhile the British man who had his job taken by the east European man sits at home drawing welfare! No wonder we are currently in this bottomless pit of a financially mess!
Polititions finally relise what the rest of us knew 14years ago..
When is crap going to stop. we need to send this polish back then our own men canwork. its time we looked after our own. Mr. Cameron want to look after the British people, we are feeling let down by this so called government. all his promises were smoke screen he has lied every way. Its time we the British people stood up for their right, you would not see the French standing around and doing nothing. Mambo Marina - stafford
No work for a lot of UK citizens and also no training for 200,000 who could not get into uni this year. Could it be because there are 75-85,000 Chinese students in this country! I only have the figures for Chinese students but I know there are many of Indian, Pakastani, French, Greek etc, etc, etc, Time to emigrate!
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 18/11/2010 Would have to agree with you Chris on your first point. I have had numerous small and large jobs needing doing in my home. I have lost track of the countless times I have left my details on a local (British) tradesmans phone, to either not get a call back, or an appointment is not kept, or they run late, or promise to send a qoute, and then you hear nothing. the odd occasion a job has been tackled, it ends up being bodged, and costing even more to repair I have gone back to my trusty east european worker, who is always on time, tackles any task, small or large, and does it to a very high standard, Sorry Brits You had your chance ansd you blew it!!
Many of the Polish girls working in cafes and restaurants in Scotland have my vote. They're motivated, hard working and can speak better English than the locals - mind you that's not difficult. As one Polish girl serves me and the missus our coffees at Costa some local lad is standing outside selling the Big Issue claiming he can't find a job. In Scotland, we have eastern europeans working on potato farms and berry farms while many Scots just prefer to go on the dole and blame 'the rich/the English/the Tories etc. for their troubles. These excuses are endorsed by left wing politicians. If I was an employer I might prefer the resourceful Polish to the local who has embraced victimhood.
The problem is that all Eastern Europeans will always be prepared to work for far less wages than existing U.K. residents, not because they possess any additional work ethos but because what they get paid is an excellent wage compared to what they would be paid in their own country. So when they return then what they have earned will enable them to live far more comfortably. In comparison, the pathetic wages now offered by British businesses will not allow the average British worker to rise much above the poverty line. No way was that pathetic under estimate by the government of how many Poles would enter the U.K. in the 1st year they were entitled to do so a genuine error. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated a mass influx. The politicians are merely the servants of the banks and businessmen..and businessmen want cheap labour. Why do you think we are now negotiating with Turkey to join the E.U.?
The problem is that it's more lucrative to scrounge benefits and those who've discovered how to milk the system do just that. Polish plumbers still want to work despite this. It's all the others we should be worried about - loafing about watching satellite TV in paid for housing, popping out to their fully funded college courses when the children of taxpaying parents can't afford the fees, with council funded (Polish) nannies looking after their babies during the day at £8 ph, sprogging away without a care in the world because our taxes support their indolence. Hurry up David and Nick. I know there are too many holes to plug but you've got to be quick.
The majority of the Eastern Europeans work cash in hand, and if they can they also claim benefits. This is a fact that the powers that be try to hide. The taxpayer of the UK will eventually be so up to their necks in taxes trying to support this out dated welfare system, that we will sink into the sea under the weight of the problem. British people who have skills to offer are abandoning the UK in their droves. The UK in the future will just be a Country of Dreggs, wouldn't be surprised if eventually we are totally cut off from the rest of the world. As no one will want to trade with us, as we are also a refuge for the terrorists of the world, it seems from the news that we even allow terrorism to flourish within our state school system. The UK is doomed because we continue to elect goverments who see the EU as some sort of Utopia instead of the hell it actually is. Be very careful who you vote for next time, it may be your last chance to vote.
Govt. and business need to work together to ensure that jobs go first to British nationals. Is that so difficult to put in practice? Train our own young population to get ready to fill skill jobs. Govt. has to work harder to reduce immigration for British nationals to fill job vacancies hence reducing stress on welfare handouts. Companies can seek skilled migrants as long as they are prepared to pay for their needs and repatriation. Moreover there is no offer of British passport on the table. You will then find not many companies seeking to bring skill migrants to UK. There are solutions if there is a will.
Big business would rather bring people in from overseas than invest in training UK people themselves. Their claims that the skills are not available here is rubbish - they are responsible for this. They are not interested in training people up because UK workers would expect decent wages unlike those coming in from abroad who will do a skilled job for peanuts. Why and how are thousands of foreign workers being trained if there is no work for them in their own countries? Who is training them? It's stinks rotten and Vince Cable seems to have had a brain bypass since the election. It is also time for the government to start new training initiatives and schemes for getting people ready for work.
I do not agree Poles are taking jobs Britsh will not do !! they are taking all the construction jobs and are working in offices and banks...also I they have loud noisy conversations in their native tongue ,in the streets and on buses ..this is rude..at least people from India have the good manners to converse in English!
Anita, London, I doubt you would take these crappy jobs, were I work the cleaners work up to 12 hours a day have 3, 30 minutes break just get over minimum wage. People are rude to them and they have to deal with their filth. Some of them are British, some are not, they have to push around a trolley all day, after a few years they have back problems. They all want to leave, but who will employ them in a different career, cleaner is the kiss of death, they could try and study but then they are a cleaner with a qualification. A lot of employers for these crappy jobs would rather take foreigners, because they have a stronger work ethic, after all they came here to work and earn as much as possible. Those programs about white unemployed people turning up their noses at work, doesnÂ’t help either. My only complaint is so many have flooded the career I want to get into that I now have to do an expensive course and work for free to have a chance of getting my foot through the day.
This is good news for British workers.We employ teaboys too you know..
As Poland joined the EU and Poles were given access to our labour market, the Home Office assured Ministers that no more than 30,000 would come here. That was a slight underestimate, based on the number of Poles refused entry to the UK in the previous year. The Home Office did not factor in the deterrent effect of the immigration control that we then had. LetÂ’s hear it for the Home Office, folks!
Anita: Do you think Polish people would be happy, having made a good standard of living in their country, their government then opened the doors to people from other, less developed countries? Those people would then flood in and drive down the wages because they're happy to do anything for for half the wages and live ten to a room. That's what happened in Britain. As for the fabled Polish plumbers and electricians? Fine if you want hot water filling your toilet cistern and wall sockets melting when you plug something in. I prefer to use qualified British tradesmen, not clueless amateurs.
Cameron has let the core working class down badly.......and he will rue the day at the next election . Conservatives and LIbDems will be toast at the next election...that's if the country can take this sort of treatment that long.
It gets me when the Govt. and media say these Eastern Europeans are taking "low income" jobs:they are extremely high income jobs to them because their home country has a very low cost of living compared to the U.K. and if that is not unfair competition with our people then what is? Our politicians have got their brains in their backsides or are on the take :are they blind to the fact they are taking away our jobs,our houses ,our freedom,our democracy,our childrens birthright to live in the country for which their forfathers and parents have sacrificed their lives and sweated blood and toil to create? They have thrown down the gauntlet and the fight is now on.There will be only one winner :us.
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals.
Unless the Uk withdraws from the EU there is nothing we can do to stop these people coming here. Equally, how many Irish citizens have come seeking work in the UK since there economy crashed? Publish some figures Dave, if you dare. Dave and Tory Clegg haven't the bottle to remove us from the Eu or even have a referendum on the subject so there is little we can do. Oh, and when Turkey joins, as Dave wants, the floodgates will really open.
SEND THEM PACKING NOT FAIR ON US BRITS GET RID OF THEM NOW
British 20-30 year olds can be devided into two groups. the completely untrained, who expect to earn 2-3000 pounds a month doing labouring jobs, working 5 hours a day and with 8 weeks holiday. The second group are graduates with no job experience, virtually illiterate and with the idea that they should enter the working world as middle management with a 4 hour working day, 3 months holiday, a 5-10,000 monthly pay and an assistant to actually do their job. Is anyone surprised that hard working, highly qualified east europeans are taking the available jobs. This generation of gap year students are mostly unfitted and unwilling to work.
VOTE THE BNP IN NEXT TIME THEY WILL SORT OUT OUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
Neither the EU or uncontrolled immigration has been good for this country if our government won't protect us the only way will be riots and eventually a general strike. Roll on the revolution.
I agree with many of the comments about the Eastern Europeans being hard working and willing to take jobs we Brits don't want to do. However, If this government wants people off benefits and in work then there has to be the jobs and the will power to force the unemployed Brits into that work, no matter how menial. If many of the jobs are going to people outside of this country what chance do we have of achieving that. By all accounts we are supposed to be taking in 40% of the Indains coming to the UK. How does that work when we are far smaller both in size and economy and general infrastructure when compared to other EU contries, namely France and Germany. I'm starting to feel that the UK is either being PUNISHED for not whole heartedly going into the EU State and or we are being used as a DUMPING ground for the EU and its hair brained schemes.
Well from what I have seen many of the British workforce (usually male) want to be paid good money for doing sba and the infuriating thing about it is that many of these people work in companies subsidised by the taxpayer who may only be earning the minimum wage but have no say in the matter. Only this morning there are 2 reports of workers in car plants threatening to go on strike for more pay. Firemen, railway/tube workers, airport crew are notorious for striking at the busiest times of the year to cause the most inconvenience to people. Many workers in the NHS and local government spend more time off sick than they do at work. How often do you employ a plumber, builder, electrician etc and they actually do a good job at a reasonable rate? In my experience not very often. It is no wonder that employers will employ foreign workers is it?
"We need this contribution to our economy where we pay child allowance for migrant workers to send back to their overseas children" said government spokesman Piotr Wzinacsky, as he carried his plumbers tools into No 10.
good or british people...24 hrs...plumbing service....
scameron will never take us out of europe or will any of the others because the all belong to a group called the bilderbergers who have a vested interest in keeping us in ( read up about them ) were trapped and cannot do anyrhing about it I remain anonymous because I am frightened to reveal my true identity
so much for getting emplyment for our own people, they are on a loser.
people of this country dont seem to be allowed to even gain work skills let alone get jobs maybe in this day for taxes a special employment tax should be put on companies to pay to give locals work skills that are needed
I don't understand it when the politicions say that European workers comng here benefit the country. I reckon most of them send the money they earn back home to their families, and that includes and child benefit that they can claim while they are working here, so how does that benifit us, the wages they earn should be spent in the UK supporting local business and manufacturers.
Its about time we looked after our own and to hell with the foreign workers even if it means getting completely out of the EU so we can govern our country again.
Good to hear that there might be some reliable plumbers and builders I might be lucky enough to find in the not too distant future.
Another triumph for the Lib/Lab/Con party. Cameron the shameron all talk and no action.
the wages these migrant workers earn goes out of the country into their polish bank accounts. They dont spend it in our stores restaurants or theatres etc so boosting our economy and paying VAT. It is time we boycotted the employers who take them on, the British employers are to blame !!
Our government realises full well what's going on here. It's obvious that this situaton in utterly ludricrous and flies in the face of it's 'drive' to get people back to work. This being the case, one can only draw the conclusion that there's an ulterior motive somewhere. It seems to make no difference which of the main three parties is in power, nothing changes. After all, we're in the unique situation where all three have been in power. What is the REAL reason that hundreds of thousands of immigrants are allowed to come and go as they please, claim benefits from day one and generally bleed us dry? We badly need someone in infuence to take up the cause of the British people. Someone who won't cave in at the first whisper of that over-used, much abused word 'racism'. Someone with the strength of character to stand up to the EU and PC bigots and tell them that enough is enough. If someone does, they'll find that they have an avalanche of support.
The last government & this shower have said immigrants from the former Soviet Block would make enough money to set up a business at home then leave. Anyone with any sense knew it was a blatant lie. Labour wanted them because they thought they would say thank you by voting for them. The glib/dems/cons want them because cheap labour means more profit for business & more tax revenue for government. At the end of the day, along with international prestige, that's all any government cares about It's UKIP for me next time.
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
We may not like it - but at least these guys come to WORK not sponge! Perhaps - for every working immigrant we could swap one of our lazy dossers?
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide, South australia So it's ok for you to go between Australia and the UK to work but it's not ok for Polish people? Get real Lynda. I see so many anti-immigration comments from expats in Thailand, New Zealand, Australia and beyond...can you not see your hypocrisy?
Plumbing - a 'lower-income' job..............do me a favour - its £50 and hour minimum.
WHY UK....do this to they own peoples??In Italy...is a different matter...jobs for the locals...no priority to east EU....
And why not they can claim for invisible kids?
Where/how are they finding these jobs? Where are the job ads? I can only think the jobs are being advertised abroad - they certainly aren't advertised here. I work in local govt and there's a good chance I'll lose my job. I am constantly looking at job sites and in the papers - yes, there are a few jobs, but if you look on, say, Reed.co.uk, the jobs have in excess of 100 applicants within a couple of days of them being listed. Having had previous experience of agencies, most of these so called jobs have already gone, but have not been deleted from the websites. TBH, I just despair of this country. Things cannot go on this way... before long half the indigenous population with be unemployed and there will be civil war. Why our glorious leaders cant see this is beyond me. I guess it doesnt affect them as most of them are multi millionaires anyway or landed gentry.
I'd employ a Polish builder over a British one any day of the week. Do I want a hardworking person who will do a good job for a reasonable price or do I want a tea-drinking good-for-nothing workshy person who will do a crap job and try to charge me extortionate prices? Wow, so hard to choose.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW and close the borders to immigrants from anywhere in the world. Carrot pickers, plumbers, pick pockets, drug runners, pimps, forgers, metail thieves, identity fraudsters, terrorists, muggers and murderers etc are NOT NEEDED. Even immigrants like NHS nurses, carers, hospital porters and cleaners, pizza delivery drivers, call operators, petrol pump staff etc COULD be fulfilled from trained up British unemployed. It is madness to rely on cheap, foreign labour when our own people are entitled to do the work which IS out there. Benefits should be adjusted so it is better for our unemployed to do that work.
Is Labour still in power then ?
this is how it looks dole for brits. cheap labour for the bosses. time to stop all these people coming in.
Its all about cheap and highly subsidised labour at the manual level for the Businesses, nothing more. This is the Tories. They will pay to keep people out of work as long as the businesses can get cheap workers without any rights whatsoever. They win, tax payers loose. Normal Tories.
The whole situation is a farce. It makes no sense whatsoever to have millions of people on the dole but at the same time fill what jobs there are with foreign labour. Who is actually paying them less than the minimum wage as that is surely illegal!!!! Government and business need to come together so that is more economical to employ a British National. I am not a racist but this country does not have the infrastructure to support all these people. This country is slowly being strangled by these stupid EU policies.
I guess I should not be angry at the Brits, but I am. Most of the time the Polish or any other Eastern European people take the job which is snubbed by the Brits. They are too posh to take the crappy jobs and that is what the foreigners are taking. Shame on them to even writing an article about it!!!!!!!
I understand Dave's "Big Society" now. Emigrants get all the jobs at minimum wages (or less!). British unemployed taxpayers pick up litter for £1 an hour and £65 from the State. Great for employers!
Instead of moaning you should all be grateful that there are hard-working, tax-paying people willing to do the jobs native born parasitic dole scum refuse to but then it is always easy to blame outsiders than see the problems in our own society.
If you can't read Polish, don't go shopping in Didcot, Oxfordshire because several of the large chain shops (e.g. Tesco) have altered their credit/debit card machines to display Polish, leaving the English-speaking shopper up in the air. Same with cameras and electronic stuff in the new Co-op - try a digital camera, select the menu and you will find it is in Polish. Ask for it to be turned back into English and you meet refusal. What the heck is going on in this England of ours?
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street.
The only thing our politicians excel at is, treachery of the British people.
This is what happens and will continue to happen when there are very low welfare payments in Poland and very high welfare payments in the UK
So when the better trained Poles come over to compete with our workers who are untrained because our companies can avoid paying for it...what do we do eh Dave? That`s right we cut training and call our workers lazy!
Re. Kenny of Notts comment - more a case, I would suggest, of the same 100,000 under -educated, work-shy members of the unemployable demographic who'd sooner sponge off the state than go out and earn a day's pay, remaining as they were. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this green and pleasant land has been somehow tarnished by the sweat and toil of others when the term 'Broken Britain', Europe's highest teenage pregnancy rate, ever-increasing gun crime and an emdemic drug problems make for unpalatable statistics that drown out the pomp and ceremony of Britain's self-perceived former colonial glory . I'm very proud of being British, and equally proud of my wife being Polish, but don't pretend to think that the British attitude and mentality towards hard graft are anyting to hold up as an example to others, or that our economy is blighted by a foreign work force. Remember who you are, what you are and what you've been a part of since 1973.
and it doesn't help that loads of our factories are shutting up shop here after setting up production lines in eastern europe and forcing our workers to train the eastern europeans...
Now if only Stanislav, the young Polish plumber would come back! He is sorely missed!
lets see if the people who are loosing public secter jobs are as silent this time round now that its them competing for the few low paid jobs out there.. i predict a riot
And the mindless mentalists who think its good for the economy are? You guessed it. The suits in Whitehall. The unemployed British working class are angry.Very angry.Many people are being made redundant only to see there jobs replaced by a foreign agency worker two weeks later.( Me included ) Certain members of the establishment should read there public school history books again and see what happend to the last lot who said if there is no bread then let them eat cake.
Who cares? It doesn't affect me. A lot of angry comments from people who can't write a sentence correctly and we argue that these foreigners don't know the language! I guess these uneducated people are the ones working in these low-end jobs. Should have worked harder in school and university instead of doing manual labour. Tough luck!
if you go into any manufacturing company they are all EU citizens no english because they will work long hours with out complaint, if the company want to make any changes to working conditions they do and tell the workers like it or lump it you know where the door is, they can work for less money because there are 6 people or more to a house, so the english have no chance of getting any job even if they could afford too. when is a party going to stand up for our rights and not non english peole.
gdb, bangkok thailand, 18/11/2010 01:46 Why not put your skills to work helping your own country? just a thought.
There is little comment on how migrant workers are giving work to their own people, not making the jobs available on the open jobs market. I often am amazed by how, in certain places - eg. chain stores, not only how poor the ability of English is, but that there is a common (eastern european or asian) language amongst the staff. With such limited language skills, how can they even manage to apply for jobs here without considerable help from their own communities?
Economy must be turning around !! Still puzzles me why I have no desire to go to Poland.
It seems that indigenous Brits no longer work in catering . When I visited England in June I only heard Eastern European accents among the staff in pubs and restaurants .
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
Turn the lot round and send them home.
The Tories love all this cheap Labour comeing in.Cuts thier wages bill by half. Cameron is looking after the bosses,then there's the Turks comeing soon.Thank you Mr Cameron.for getting us into the EU.
"Polish plumbers return: Number of migrant workers from East Europe hits new high" Was there any need? Should have told George they're short of £7 Billion and he'd have writen the cheque tout suit. I take it Poles can reclaim airfares? Clearly they didn't hear we no longer hire Brits OR europeans. Indians are cheaper and why offshore when Brussells can ship them in legally now. Personally, as an intelligent, educated and once-skilled British person, its so long since I had a well paid job, I don't care anymore. But, I predict a riot when the Polish realise that the UK Government and the EU have sold them out!
As we voted for these politicians it is getting to a stage were the offer of a resettlement grant to a country run by sane people would be the polite thing to do for people that consider themselves indigenous to Britain. At least then there would be room for as many immigrants that could be safely fit onto this island without of course having to knock down the security railings around 10 Downing street.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide So.............you freely admit that as an Australian national , you were working in the UK taking a job off a British Citizen. I assume now that your husband (a British Citizen) is now working in Australia taking the job off an Australian Citizen? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
stop the damn immigaration and train our workers properly instead of opting for the cheap labour from abroad and then we might get somewhere. But, as usual our so called conlib pact take the easy route and ignore it spo typical of these conmen.
Why on earth are we importing yet more non-EU workers when we have so much native unemployment? At the moment, our hands are tied by the EU with respect to European workers, but surely we should just halt ALL non-EU immigration? This country has gone down the pan.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country.
Well I guess that's going to be another 100,000 British people out of work.
I answer internet advertised vacancies every day --------Nothing I used to write letters and send my C.V by post before computers -------Nothing I will be on the computer - Bills are paid for by my Girl Friend - answering advertised jobs - I live in Hope If I come back to the UK - do you think I will be able to find a job that will pay me the national average wage ? Before I left UK for my last contract I tried for 13 months to find work that would pay me the national average got nothing - I couldnt find any work that would have paid the rent and my bills. I got 42 gbp total per week in benefit I got nothing for my rent. All these stories I read where people are better off claiming unemployment it certainly never came my way I am hopin for an offer of work paying the national average wage so that I can come home and live near my family and to eventually die - I dont want to die abroad - I am 62 years old - Any offers - I am medically fit - I have a UK Passport & Driving License
Grayling spouted: "We have to get our labour force ready for the recovery and our benefit claimants ready for the workplace". Really? What workplace? Oh! silly me! The UK workplace, where there are at least ten foreigners queueing for every job vacancy and the estimated five million claiming out of work benefits will continue to claim out of work benefits until the cows come home and whatever Grayling spouts is pure spin and waffle and he knows it.
Bleeding us dry !!!!
no comments on this so far, why? I'am betting there are plenty of people out there now, that wished they had voted for a true british party instead of the weak willed mish mash we got landed with, sooner the EU breaks up the better, better still DAVE show us you have some of what most of us men have and get us out now ,
The government cannot afford the present population of today and an increacing and expanding socially dependent immigrant population will be more than challenging.
And those who come here are having more kids and they are insisting that we change everything to suit them. We are in a mess and it will take someone very courageous to take drastic action - but we have nobody courageous leading us at the moment. We voted the Conservatives in to deal with this and they are betraying us. And silly human rights laws from the EU worsen the problem. We need a leader with the boldness to speak out now or we'll soon be watching the demise of this nation and its previously peaceful nature.
Yes, we did know, thank's for reminding us; but, what are you going to do about it?
There may be very little the government can do to curb EU migrants Anne, Athens, 26/5/2011 20:18 Oh yes there is ! Vote this lot out and Vote UKIP in. At the very least we should be shouting from the very rooftops for a referendum on EU membership.
Get a grip, who cares, does anyone anymore, nearly everything you look at in the U.K. is rubbish, failed by poor management, poor education, no work ethic, no standards and in the main no guts. All assisted by self important politicians who have never done anything except milk the system and talk to each other at smart dinner parties and in the media. And what happens, protests, marches, anger, no just talk talk talk. The U.K. is on the way out, washed up and broke. Keep going Dave, you may think it's a privilege to lead the British people, there is a huge population out there who are not going to be conned by you a second time. And we thought B.Liar and Brown were bad, Britain ruined on the playing fields of, well, we all know where!
Sorry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop. - hugh thompson, newcastle england, 26/5/2011 17:24 - Yes there is a master plan. It's not just imcompetance. It's all part of a design. Research the words new world order. Immigration will continue, so the british society is weak and have no nationalistic pride any more. This way we can no longer provide coherent resistance to the NWO plans. Don't believe me? Research it!
This is the exact reason that come August I am emigrating to New Zealand, a country which has stringent immigration rules and welcomes those whom will benefit their society, rather than open their doors to those whom are only here to sponge off of us.
The UK is a small island compared to a lot of European countries, how many more people can the island support, well NONE really. Immigration HAS GOT TO BE BROUGHT UNDER CONTROL. Mr Green please do something about it. The UK MUST be made more unattractive to would be Immigrants. No Free Housing. No Free Health care until 5 years NI paid. No Benefits as above. If UK nationals go abroad they are expected to support themselves, in fact it is a requirement to stay in a lot of cases.
Where is all the tough talk about immigration now, this government is just as toothless as the last one.
The government are doing a great job aren't they!
This isn't immigration it's invasion. We desperately need proper governance, the clowns we have now aren't fit for purpose.
its no good now complaining that the left liberal marxists have given our country away by letting uncontrolled mass immigration take place,we as a nation stood by and watched this massive demographic change happen without a peep,we deserve now the social unrest taking place,once again we are all to blame for what ted heath started to the present treasonous ministers who made these policies and the uks population lazy idle efforts in stopping them,its all to late now to start bleating !! so get on with it,you had your chance and blew it just by continuing to vote for the same parties and same policies the one bloke who stood up and told us was thrown out by the tories, this blogg will not be posted
They have known this for ages,these are figures based on those we know about,nothing will change,I voted for Cameron and he has done nothing about this problem as they supposedly enrich our society.
Damian Green says immigration is out of control. Well Damian, we the people of the UK, know that, and have been telling you lot that for years. But, aren't you the man in charge of immigration? If you are, and immigration is out of control, you are obviously the wrong man for the job as you are supposed to control it. You are not, as you politicians like to say, 'suitable for purpose', or as real people would say, 'not up to the job'. Time to move on, mate. Probably be a reshuffle soon anyway, and you'll be moved on to Education, Transport, or some other department you're not capable of running.
Listen people.....you can write and say what you want. No one is listening to you. The British electorate are all turkeys voting for Christmas. The only way this will change is to elect a party with the interests of the British people at heart. We have no party in Westminster of that ilk. When will the electorate wake up to discover that the MPs they voted in are all self serving, liars, cheats and scoundrels. They all maintain a squeaky clean image until they are caught and outed for what they really are. They are the destroyers of peoples and democracy.
Why can't we have the same rules as America, Australia etc. Stop all immigration unless they can pay their own way, have no criminal records, or really can do a job that no-one here can. Most of our financial problems would be eased if we didn't have this constant drain on our resources.
i could have told them that,.....i live in what was a middle class white street not far from manchester,.....there are 40+ houses and over half are from other countries, in one house...(3 bed, 1960,s house) there are 16 people living there, the mess is disgusting, and most of them dont work, i go out in the morning, school run then work, i really dont know why i bother sometimes, the family who live accross from me are going away AGAIN today and they dont work, wish i could afford to take my kids away to the sun on holiday,................somethings wrong somewhere.
Everyone on here says the same every story about immigration, and yet the choices to vote are limited, mainstream or radical right wing, in my recent local election I had the choice of labour or liberal, we need a party not as radical as BNP but more radical than the conservatives, if this is UKIP then lets all join this party and push it the faces of our friends and colleagues, if its not then lets start one and begin to save this country.
Well the govt should impose an annual limit on people entering BOTH from outside the EU and from within the EU. only then can this problem be solved. As the article says that immigration from Eastern Europe has soared, so there sohuld be an annual limit on it aso.
Hi johnrs67 Its the E.U that is causing the problem, Migration from Eastern Europe is back up again after falling in 2009. David Cameron must use the Finnish approach Finnish jobs for Finnish workers only
Well get it UNDER control, then. . That's what we elected you to do.
This is ridiculous. For how long have we been saying immigration levels are too high, and they didn't listen. It needs to stop and needs to stop now. It will be the native Brits that suffer in the long run. I have never voted BNP but from now on that's where I'll be voting. I've just had enough of being taken for a idiot.
So the great Social engineering project continues - Take a once proud Nation grind them into the ground, water down National identity - Hey presto the EU 'Citizen' . The major floor in this plan is the British are a tolerant people to a point, but when it kicks off there will be no stopping it.
We could get rid of the riff raff for a start and the cut back on the benefit system. Perhaps a few would leave volontarily and others would be deterred.
I accept that it will take time, but start the clamp down and let us see results. Start by deporting failures at once. No public money for appeals. No case, deport and no hanging about, send them straight back. No documents. send them back to the country they came to Britain from, there is a war there?, tough, go fight for the freedom you want, stop stealing ours.
Yes, with the culture of native Brits who're leaving replaced by that of the incomers - - a fact that is totally ignored by these people, concerned at best with just figures. - David Thomson, Driffield, UK, 26/5/2011 I'm not sure why you've been red-arrowed for a perfectly reasonable comment but I, at least, agree with you.
And we all wonder why the country is 'broke' ...
Why do they even bother to mention it ? Nothing will change , no one has the guts ! Stick to bullying the sick and the unemployed !
Maybe our troops are protecting the wrong country! I know someone who would stop immigration!
Whatever party is in charge its talk talk talk but nothing changes and it wont in the future because of our liberal lefty three main parties obsessed with political correctness.
Don't worry the measures to reduce immigration are already in place; slow growth, falling living standards, inflation out of control, rising unemployment. Give the ConDems another two years and we will ALL be queuing up to get out!
will the land have to sink below the sea with the weight before they realise we are full
They had better do something and fast - we do not have the resources to cover all these people. They are going to break this country and we will all end up living in a "third world" existence. Once our land has been eaten up in housing and all that goes with it - electricity, water, waste disposal etc - not to mention all the social services and health needs, the country is just too small. Politicians seem reluctant to find a result - perhaps we should have our soldiers back here to patrol our borders.
What an absolute shambles! I cannot think of a single politician in the House of Commons, currently or at any time during the last thirteen years, that is up to the job and has the wit, didication or vision to steer this Country in the right direction.
orry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop. - hugh thompson, newcastle england, 26/5/2011 17:24 IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIMP WRISTED. IT'S OUR PATHETIC MP'S. STOP VOTING FOR THESE IDIOTS.
TALK, TALK, TALK. WHERE'S THE ACTION DAVE?
Will a copy of the ONS docuement be passed on to Cameron and Co, or will it be hidden away like all the rest.
come on guys start working together no national insurance numbers no medical care with out proof and no benifits and start by sacking all the left behind librels
Stop talking about it and just shut the door NOW. If the EU is already thinking about closing their own borders because of the North African problems then we can easily shut ours without having to get permission from the EU.
'there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants' Oh, but there is something they can do about it, very simply put, Get Us Out Of The EU. Surely it can't be that hard to understand that this is what the majority of the people keep asking for, time for a referendum I think!
I don't know why we don't leave the EU. It costs us billions in handouts which are fraudulently misused, we have laws not passed through our courts but we have to abide by them, we have the Human Rights Charter courtesy of Mrs Blair which sees our fat cat lawyers getting richer through nonsense applications (prisoners saying human rights abused as not free to bring up children?!!) and now we have to foot an extra £65 million as Portugal & Greece are struggling to pay its debt back from what it has just borrowed.
Sorry Mr Green whatever you decide is going to be too little too late, the gates are firmly wedged open
What a difference it makes when you are no longer in opposition, but are in a position to carry out your pre-election promises. Actions speak louder than words - but not in this case.
Immigration has been out of control for years. Continuing to vote for the Lib / Lab / Con and expecting anything to change is utter stupidty.
GET YOUR FINGER OUT THEN AND STOP THEM TOMORROW.
Don't just talk about it Damien Green, do something about it!!! It's the migrants from the EU, that are the problem. Time to stop it like the French are doing. Give us a referendum,,,, that'll definitely do something about it.,, not the talk and waffle that comes from politicians.
SIMPLE ANSWER NO BENEFITS AND STUFF THE EU/
Just shut the door and have a re-think. If the rest of the EU are worried they can all go there
Enough said, we need to be out of the EU now and while we are at it get rid of the Human rights act.
Coalition: get a grip and sort this out quickly... EU or not.
Still they come-still they come-still they come.....
WHEN is a government going to deal with this? What do we have to do to get our country back? Damian Green, along with Cameron has turned out to be one huge disappointment. All the rhetoric and promises we heard prior to the election have counted for nothing. I despair.
Labours social engineering experiment continues today, making sure that labour voters keep flooding into this small country, ensuring that the party will be next in power for decades to come, God help us. The minister says he wants to slow it, I ask exactly how, as any move he makes will be blocked by the Eurocrats in Planet Strassburgh. We are no longer the managers of our present and future, we are subservient to masters in far away places.
and that's only the ones we know about.
The issue about emigration is perhaps a white elephant, many native British people who go to work abroad for various reasons. will presumably want to return to this country at some point. Why should anyone assume that they will be staying away permanently? Or perhaps they will not be welcome back? Who knows, the madness of immigration in this country knows no bounds and the net migration / emigration concept is completely flawed as it is based on knowing nothing about anyone (or anything).
It was out of control when you won the election & still it is now a year later & what have you done to bring back under our control? A big fat sod all!
Lets start by stopping benefits for none eu,then for eu peoples send the bill for benefits received to the persons home country for a full refund.Then lets give jobs to british workers first then any that are left to eu residents
CAMERON - GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
So much for all the clap trap of this government,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!
Damien Green keeps saying he is consulting on new controls. He's been consulting for a year. When for goodness sake is he going to get a grip and actually do something?
Mr. Green, There is a very simple solution. Give us the electorate a Referendum on membership of the EU and if we say OUT then go back to the original Free Trade Agreement that was implemented and nothing else, not the "Superstate" it has become. Say bye bye to every EU national who is claiming unemployment benefits unless paid in for a minimum of 10 years and send them home,every EU prisoner with a sentence of more than 12 months to be automatically deported back home as the EU is a "safe" place.No automatic right to benefits for EU natrionals as per like other EU nations do. No EU criminals allowed here to hide,run a scheme such as the Americans have with pre-checks before entry and followed up with fingerprint and Iris scans for everyone entering our border regardless of age. "Asylum" law should be strictly adhered to by "First Safe or Nuteral Border" as required,not 5-6 countries later. This should bring a good start to reducing the numbers wanting to come here.
Two pints into a one pint glass won't go.
It is time to put it bluntly. We get nothing but lies about this matter. Immigration has been and remains out of control Mr. Green. Where have you been for the last seven years Mr. Green. In fact for all the good you are likely to be you may as well go back to wherever you were hiding. We don't need platitudes Mr. Green, we need decisive action which must include telling the EU that enough is enough. And enough of that dross about needing lots of talented and skilled individuals here. We have that already and we can't employ them. We can't employ university graduates or school leavers and all we get are lies and its synonym statistics. You are havering Mr. Green and while you haver, the country gets a bigger and bigger burden of economic migrants and n'ere-do-wells sapping the benefits system and the overburdened NHS which you want to reform in the most tendentious manner. What fun when Serbia and Turkey et al get to join the EU. Where they gonna go to - Great Britain.
Get out of the EU, close the borders and deport all those not entitled to be here !
Easy answer. STOP dole money now and watch them leave in droves and an added bonus will be our lazy will then have to work! Now why didn't I think of that?
We know ------------------------DO SOMETHING.
When is this going to be stopped? Why can we not withhold benefits like other countries so they don't want to stop here? Enough is enough. This HAS to stop!
The chap in the top picture like many others are paid to do what exactly? It seems it wouldn't make any difference if he was sat there or not! Border and Immigration Agency, what a JOKE!!!
This will end in tears ! Are you really listening Cameron ?
This is the elephant in the room. We have NO control over our borders and anyone, from anywhere in the EU can come here, knock on the council's door and claim benefits and accomodation. If ever there was the need to get us out of the EU this is it. But our politicians won't do it. What treacherous Ted Heath started they will continue until all trace of this country has been consumed by the EU, and we are all brussels worshiping euro-drones.
If all benefits, including NHS were not availabe until an immigran had lived and WORKED HERE for 5 years, minimum, you would see the flow stop!
Why are we giving our country away? Did we lose a war or something?
Nothing to do with all of the agreements signed by Magaret Thatcher then?
the only way to get britain back british is vote british national party ...wake up people......
The only way the British people will stop this madness,is by a revolution,their is no other way,its our only chance to take our nation back..it will happen,but what will spark it i do not know,the government don't care about us,they never have,revolt people,its all we have left.the future of this country belongs to the brave...those brave enough to stand up and be counted and those brave enough to destroy the traitors who are wrecking our once great nation.
THERE IS SOMETHING THE COALITION CAN DO.........GET US OUT OF THE EU!!!!!!!
The government should put a cap for people coming from abroad to work. It is already very hard to get a job nowadays. We already have recession. More migrants means fewer jobs for people living in UK.
Time to close the door Mr Cameron and LISTEN to the people!!!!!
the answer is: get out of the EU but then we need a government with real b.... to do this
HOW MANY TIMES TO WE ALL HAVE TO SAY NO!
GET IT SORTED YOU USELESS IDIOTS
PROMISES, PROMISES..... THAT'S ALL WE GET!
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants". There lies the problem and further proof we are NOT a democracy. In fact, it could be argued that we don't exist as a country anymore, seeing as we have no UK borders, just EU borders
Of course immigration is out of control. As far as the EU is concerned, there is no such thing as 'immigratiion' between member states, and if they had their way there would be no borders either. The only way we can save ourselves from disappearing as a nation is to reform the welfare state to make our country less attractive to EU economic migrants, and get the hell out of the EU .
These figures are crazy. Don't talk about doing something Mr Green. Do it. You could stop student visas overnight. Further you could go to the EU and either change the rules on migration or get your party to think radically. We don't want net migration we want none. Our right to exist and our culture cannot take 2000000 plus more people every 10 years! Think about leaving the monster EU and we could save £10 billion net. Further you could change the rules about arranged marriages and family ties. We don't want the world here. Change the benefits and rights to receive public services. Charge them like other countries. No benefits and services until they have been here 10 years or they get insurances or they are charged for them as well. Not free schools, health, housing etc etc.
Come on you Tories. You have been in power for a year so let's hear what you have you done about immigration. I'll save you the trouble - precisely nothing. Too terrified of a kicking from your fat cat sponsors if you do the slightest thing to choke off their supply of lovely cheap labour.
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants". Yes there is GET US OUT OF THE EUSSR !!!, give the people of this country a referendum, stop ignoring us and treating us like imbeciles.
Stop making it easy for people coming into this country, do persons checks,criminality checks, health checks. then make sure they have a place to live and money as do the Aussies.
Highly skilled leaving and low skilled arriving
When are the powers that be going to listen to the public? We are full, we have no room, we can't take anymore!
So its the last governments fault is it. Stop shirking. You are the goverment now. Take responsibility. We've had enough of lily-livered politicians
Why is this allowed when there are so many people unemployed already? What are they people doing for employment - or are they are going onto benefits.
This all goes to show that sadly, very little can actually be done to restrict immigration . . . The UK can not restrict EU immigration, imagine what will happen in 2 years when restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians lapse !!! The UK can not withdraw from the EU, seeing that there was a referendum on AV first, which many people weren't concerned about, just shows how much politicians are out of touch with voters and their wishes. The UK can not restrict non-EU work permits, the pro-immigration lobbies will put up a massive fight and all the big banks and companies will threaten to leave. The UK can not restrict student visas, every single educational institution across the the land will do everything in their power to stop this from happening. As much as I want to believe that the Coalition will actually get a handle on this situation as they have promised, I doubt that anything will happen, well one thing might, immigration will only increase !!!
May god help my grandchildren and god damn Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and all their English hating cronies who have destroyed our country.
Immigration 'Out of Control"? nothing new there is it? what an absolute laughing stock that the UK has a "Border Agency" What border???????
The goverment can still do things to prevent mass immigration. Stop giving access to benefits/housing etc until someone becomes a National through the correct procedure. Cap the number of student places offered to foreigners, Cap the number of jobs offered to foreigners, charge all non citizens for all health care then we'll see how popular Britain remains. Asylum seeker numbers should also be capped. Does nobody in goverment realise just how small this country is?
If these immigration figures are BEFORE the recent lifting of the ban on full and immediate benefits for all EU arrivals, then what is it going to be this year and next, now that everybody in the EU can turn up and apply for a full benefits ride? It's mind boggling! How many thousands from the EU have already made their way to a UK benefits office from the farflung EU hinterlands since the ban lifted this month? I bet the benefits offices are absolutely being deluged. I bet these figures this time next year will be increasing tenfold. How is the UK going to cope?
If the numbers coming in continue then there is only going to be one outcome I'm afraid and that is the end of the welfare state in the UK. No benefits whatsoever, if you haven't got a job you will either have to depend on charity or starve.
We need out of the abominable EU and to re-establish our own strict border controls NOW. Our woeful, totally unrepresentative policians, who are so ready to pose about on the world stage, have betrayed this nation in a way never previously seen. I don't know about expenses, they should be imprisoned for treason.
Hearing things like this, I sometimes wonder if there is some secret group of people above all governments that are paying the UK to commit suicide as an experiment to see how not to push social boundaries.
'there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants' - actually there is a LOT they can do, but they won't!
No Government is to blame -it's the EU who bullies them into complying with it
How do you ever conquer unemployment and reduce overall benefit claims, simple answer if you not a brainless MP
"---- there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants.". Oh yes there is - get out of the EU!!!!!!!
Lets take a look at countries like australia and new zealand for some inspiration on this issue.
SIMPLE SOLUTION - Leave the EU, 5 year freeze on immigration for permanent settlers, visa's issued for work/holiday purposes for people from abroad, return those who are here illegally, including criminals, take back control of our borders, oh yes I'm taking this from the UKIP manifesto and they mean it. Vote UKIP and get our country back! The others won't do a thing they want this country reduced to a third world for the EU.
stop the benefits and you will stop the tide of immigrants (even the ones from the EU) easy really
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, ....." Yes Cameron did say there would be a cap on migrants but I assume, being the wimp he is, he shelved it when prime idiot Nick Clegg said there hadn't been any such agreement when they formed the coalition! As for there being "very little that politician can do to stop EU migrants" - how about letting the public decide by giving us the promised vote of staying in or out of the corrupt EU.
YES, WE HAVE MUCH TO THANK 13 YEARS OF MANIACS IN CHARGE !
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN! Nah did not think so, just talk about it as usual. Never mind it;s too late now anyway! Politicians, all talk no action - pathetic
Didn't the politicians say 50,000 tops ( and that would be 50,000 too many ) ? It seems they are compulsive liars and anti-democratic when it comes to migration.
Stop chain immigration and immigration via marriage. That will cut immigration by tens of thousands every year.
Oh the joys of being in the EU!
Stuff Europe and do something about it NOW. We can't afford them.
Yes Damien....promises, promises, promises....all we ever get.
It must be obvious to everyone by now that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have no more intention of controlling immigration than did the last Labour government. All the main parties appear to accept mass immigration as something to be welcomed and are ignoring the enormous stresses and strains it puts on the fabric of society.
The reality is we need a complete moratorium on immigration until we can sort out the neglect of the last ten years.
This is a disgrace and should result in a revolt. Cameron's pledges to cut immigration are totally meaningless as anyone from within the EU can just walk in here and take our jobs and social housing. This fast fading nation is overcrowded as it is and unless we get back control of our borders by leaving the EU there is going to be real trouble in the coming years
When are the government going to do something about this. More broken promises? Why do we not have entry regulations that are enforced
Sorry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop.
Until the UK controls immigration from WITHIN the EU, even if that means withdrawing, the problems will continue. Other nations within the EU seem to be able to manipulate the rules in order to prevent the level of problems here. One way to regulate from within the EU is to do as the French do and only accept the rules which they WISH to accept, deny the automatic right to benefits (by which I mean the child benefit, housing benefits, working credits etc) to ANYONE who has not contributed to the system for at least five years. At present some coming from within the EU are provided with housing, bring in their fellow-countrymen, charging them rent (paid by us)and use this to pay their own whilst saving to build houses in their homelands, to which they return after milking our system. I have seen social housing allocated to a family where the family goes "home", leaving the house to be sub-let by them to groups of single young men at vast profit.
"It is perfectly possible that a decline in long-term migration could be accompanied by an increase in short-term migration, which may lead to flat, or even faster, growth in the migrant population." Yes, with the culture of native Brits who're leaving replaced by that of the incomers - - a fact that is totally ignored by these people, concerned at best with just figures.
YAWN can you turn the record over. Nobody really cares anymore, otherwise there would be protest marches by now from suffering students and the unemployed. Notice how come no protest march over the demand for Referendum to get us out of Euroland. Bunkum Narda Zip Zero Naught.
Every day we hear this more and more. Every time we hear Damian Green say it was Labours fault. Damian JUST SHUT THE DOOR! Deal with overseas applications OVERSEAS not here! Ask the French if you can set up a Border Patrol in Calais and Iris scan/fingerprint all of them. Do something PLEASE!!!!
Immigration Minister Damian Green, yet another minister who is all rhetoric and little action. The Coalition have celebrated their first year in office so have had plenty of time to at least start to curb the overwhelming numbers coming into the UK be they legal or illegal. Instead of reducing the Border Agency they should be doubling it then some headway might be made. The Border Agency detain people who are then released by the police and disappear instead of being held and deported within a month maximum.
The Tories are no different to Labour: they want high immigration to keep wages low, workers weak and their mates in business circles happy.
"Immigrants to the back of the housing queue: Coalition tells councils to give local people priority........." THIS week...................
Why has it taken so long for our politicians to come to their senses. No wonder there are so many of our adult children still living at home. Now lets get rid of the health & safety laws that stop children being children. I climbed trees, played with conkers and swung on ropes over streams without any injuries. Its time to give children back their childhood
From next year migrants will be able to claim benefits etc after 3 months. I wonder if the coalition will do anything to stop that? I doubt it. I trust them as much as I trusted Bliar.
Believe when I see it. Don't believe the date if a politician tells you!!
Excellent. About time. Local people should ALWAYS be given priority - that's how it works in most other countries too. I also resent having to support the expanding families of the unemployed, but that is a completely different story!
This family in the picture wants more bedrooms? By the looks like she can't look after the house she's got let alone get a bigger house..... Fed up of seeing people on benefits with scruffy houses they do not work so have all the time in the world to clean. - Jayne, Swansea, 30/8/2010 13:51 There are people who work that have scruffy houses as well, so don't think that if you are a benefits claimant that it automatically means you are scruffy.
Most countries of the world have a really simple system: if you're a member of the indigenous majority race, you're at the front of the queue for everything, as a birthright. Perhaps the UK could do the same thing? Then there would be no argument, and the country might not go up in flames someday soon...
Shall we all cut out and frame this article to see if all this ACTUALLY happens ? What on earth has gone wrong with the UK ? Why should jobless immigrants of ANY nationality be given a UK council house to live in ? It doesn't happen over her I can tell you. I think the parable of the horse and the open gate applies.
Um... Local connections are already taken into account when assessing housing applications and they have been for years. I used to be a housing officer and it has always been practice for us to establish connection to the local area, family, work, school etc. I have no idea why this is being touted as something new?
The Housing Minister said: "Councils will still have to give priority to the homeless and people with families". As most immigrants belong to those categories - NOTHING will change!!!
About time!!!! Local people for local housing and schools, the BRITISH should take priority, this is BRITAIN!!! anyone else should pay their way or go home!!
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what! - anon, uk, 30/8/2010 14:19 OK, they're not ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, but they're still immigrants, and why should they have priority over local people? And another thing, they only come here because they know they will be given houses and money. We can't have our schools and hospitals overflowing with foreigners, EU or not.
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what! - anon, uk, 30/8/2010 14:19 Legal under EU law, personally I don't recognise EU 'Law', I bet 95% of the people on this board do not either. If the British people had ever had been asked we would of never allowed it!
Again,the Mail gets it wrong.The coalition stated that councils may give locals first choice,not must.This is just another political statement from the "GOD"you at the daily mail worship.
Of course this should happen but it probably won't. Imagrants dont want coouncil houses they want private mansions which will be lavished upon them by lefty councils in a bid to be seen to be politicly correct.
Surely they should be sent back to their own country if they don't have a job or anywhere to live
I hope that Terry in Okehampton never needs the protection of the Human Rights Act if he is so eager to have it repealed. First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing etc....
What is going on? First Mr Pickles has started to sort out the 'travellers' planning fiasco and now local councils are told to give priority to local people. So much commonsense and fairness in a matter of a few days. The Coalition needs to be careful, after 13 years of the Blair/Brown lunacy we need time to get used to these sensible polices again.
Immigrants shouldn't be given council houses and they shouldn't be given benefits. If they can't support themselves they shouldn't be here at all.
Why not make one of the conditions to get a house be that you must be working and able to pay the rent.
How are immigrants given any housing whatsover? We have enough of our home-grown losers that need housing without importing more. If you can't make a net-contribution to the UK, we don't want or need you. - Dorothy, Leeds, 30/8/2010 14:17 And by what definition are people who need housing 'losers'? There are lots of people who are young and working who need a helping hand. The price of property now and the deposit required is damned near impossible for those just starting out. However, I do agree with your final sentence.
Assuming there should be such a thing as council housing in the first place (why can't you, you know, WORK FOR WHAT YOU HAVE rather than expect HANDOUTS from the government), I would much rather it went to people likely to contribute back to society in the form of taxes, such as hard-working foreigners, and NOT to the UNEMPLOYABLE tracksuited earring-wearing pitbull-owning tatooed chavs and their pram-pushing teenage girlfriends loitering about all over this country.
Why on earth are immigrants allowed to be housed by our local authorities anyway? If they come to live over here then surely they should be renting property of private renters. My son and daughter in law and grandson live with us. (By us I mean my husband and I), they are are the waiting list for a property off the local authority and when my daughter in law spoke to someone last week she was told that an immigrant had priority over them!!!!! They are putting in bids for high rise flats and they aren't even getting a look in for one of them.
The question is not if they are foreign or UK nationals, It is the fault of the system, that gives the right to council housing for life. The people who WORK HARD in this country pay ever increasing taxes for that right. It is ridiculous and nonsense, there are so many things to be done in this country, give a broom to these people to start to clean the streets, they should give something back for the society that is housing them. Why isnt she working as a cleaner or housekeeper, and why isnt the husband doing the same?
How is this possible for goodness sake? I am Dutch and live in Germany. This would not be possible if I didn't have any income to live on. ( I have, a pension from the Netherlands) Are the rules in Britain different? I was told the EU rules are, you have to have an income of any sort to be able to live in another EU country! ( And if you have a criminal record, it's also not possible to move)
I'm afraid this is all political posturing to subdue the the indigenous British People, the Government know that under EU rules they must find accommodation for East Europeans entering this country. To appease those who have been on the waiting list for years, they have set a new criteria for immigrants, but we all know these immigrants will circumvent the new guidelines and still get their houses before the ones born & bred here. Nothing new here then!!!!!!
When people from other EU countries come here and claim benefits better than those awarded in their own country, we should be able to reclaim the amount given to them from their government. Its insanity that those residing in other EU countries can find out which country pays the highest benefits, and which country will give them priority on housing and just move here. Someone HAS to change the rules. People who have lived and worked here all their lives cannot be put to the back of the queue!
What does 'local' imply? Will this new move stop 'homeless' people British born from another town or city getting council houses before the 'locals'.
EU community or not, NOBODY should be allowed to move to a different country unless they have a job to go to, and they most definitely shouldn't be given housing and a hatful of benefits. While I accept Canada is not part of the EU (thankfully!!), when we moved here, not only did we need to show proof of suitable arranged employment, we also had to show that we had sufficient funds yosupport ourselves until we started earning. We were not eligible for any benefits and received no health care coverage for the first 90 days so had to pay fir medical insurance. Britain would do well to adopt similar rules for such economic migrants.
How is this possible for goodness sake? I am Dutch and live in Germany. This would not be possible if I didn't have any income to live on. ( I have, a pension from the Netherlands) Are the rules in Britain different? I was told the EU rules are, you have to have an income of any sort to be able to live in another EU country! ( And if you have a criminal record, it's also not possible to move)
If he can't support himself and his family he should be deported. Why should you the English Tax payer keep him.
Labour and Liberal controlled councils will not implement the changes to house allocation - they like things just the way they are. Tory councils might try but will be slapped down by the professional do-gooders. The genie is out of the bottle on immigration and there is no going back until we have a Government prepared to lead us out of the EU. Tony and Gordy, stitched us up good and tight.
The British people must be made aware, that there has been a long term strategy since the WW2 to water down the British genetic chain. We have never been beaten, and the powers have decided to change the British character. Apart from blatant stupidity there can be no other answer to the social suicide that our MP's are putting this country and its people through. Not only social suicide, but adding insult to injury treat immigrants with Kid gloves, and giving them preferential treatment, like three bed houses, then they ask for bigger houses. I give up.
About time. But the social engineers with strategic jobs at the council will simply ignore this and carry on as they have been. This country is finished.
I remember Browns statement "BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE" and the farce this occured. I Wait and see what happens with this instruction from the Government. Me thinks its another scam.
About time that British people came first in Britain. But it should have been done long before now and I'm beginning to suspect that by next week, immigrants will be back at the front. The Coalition cannot be trusted to keep their word.
charity begins at home!there are families in this country,english families who need housing.they patiently wait on council housing lists only to be leapfrogged by immigrants who were probably adequately housed in thier own countries. wheres the justice in that.locals should have priority no doubt about it!!!
Could you move into your neighbours home with your wife and kids, expect your neighbour to feed and clothe you without them even having a say in it? Well, Britain is our home and we're sick of the invasion!
GO HOME and let the British be British and work for your life not scrounge. Totally sick of this subject, for so many years the public knew it but the government did nothing about it. It is draining the tax payers and pension payers funds as well as so many other resources. I was brought up in a council house because my British mother had NOTHING. No present husband or father to me and my two brothers, no money (he kept the child benefits), no car, no fridge. We finally got one family black and white TV when I was 15. Our garden was immaculate with cuttings from others, no litter and we kept our clothes and ourselves clean (even the horrible grey socks I had to wear from my brothers). Everyday my mother would go to work and earn enough money to pay for her bus fare (1hour 45 mins travel each way) and buy food for the next day, she carried the heavy shopping on the bus alone.
Looks like the family can afford Sky Satellite TV as well!
The state on some of the Council Estates who would want to live there?
I'll believe it when I see it, no doubt there will be some European Law that overrides these proposals.
‘People who have made contributions to the system deserve to benefit from the system.’ About time! In no other country would new arrivals be allowed to step over the heads of locals, in such a fashion. This was one of the major issues contributing to the growing anti-immigration feelings of British people. The are many more issues to be addressed in re-balancing the rights of British people over newcomers. Keep going Coalition and you may just remain in power for a long time to come.
Why are people allowed to live here when they clearly cannot afford to support themselves. No other country would allow this so why should we!!!!
this story is nonsense. local people have always been given priority in allocation of council houses. most councils have a points system where you get extra points (and therefore get further up the list) if you work in the area, have family in the area or have lived there previously. you certainly cant register as homeless (considering how hard-pressed council house stock is thats the only way to get a council house) in any area you want as you have to have a local connection to an area to be entitled to register homeless.
The EU controls the UK immigration policy and politicians really don't want to mention it,but as long as we remain in the EU their immigration and so called open borders policy will continue to discriminate and work against British people in their own country. The cost of this policy has worked against British people and if Turkey enters this club,watch out they will have full rights to come here!! The only answer is to start running our own country once more and make sure the politicians are held to account and our long denied EU referendum must be held!!
Yes i agree with all thats been said but we have people like that who are english.....breed.........never work......get money thrown at them and do absolutely nothing to contribute To our economy............... These sort of people should also go to the botttom of the list and these houses be kept for hard working class families......... - hazel dean, bournemouth., 30/8/2010 A true patriot of this country - not. The difference is that the British people who need housing were born here and their parents and grandparents have put plenty in no doubt and I think that makes them eligible well before foreigners that just turn up and get given everything they need who have contributed nothing.
I rent in a small room in London, am currently between contracts (just 4 weeks gap), and have not claimed any benefits, yet my taxes subsidise irresponsible procreation and unsustainable immigration. The system should encourage self-sufficiency and social responsibility. Unfortunately that is not what I see every day before my very eyes. London is experiencing a veritable population boom, driving out people who grew up here. The social experiment has gone too far, and in times of economic meltdown could backfire as competing ethnic groups scramble for diminishing per-capita resources.
Immigrants should not be allowed in this country unless they can speak English, have accommadation and a job. They should not be allowed to go on benefits immediately they enter the country. We are the laughing stock of the whole world.
oh purlese.....how many of you on here whingeing have sent an email regarding cases like these and the unfairness to Cameron..... or at the very least...your local MP.... If this angers you, then spare a couple of mins to email parliament....address on the web.....only via protest will any thing change
At long last some common sense. If any Englishman was in one of their countries, you can be sure they wouldn't get priority housing treatment. I wonder what goes on in the minds of these housing people - I really do.
When I was a child we slept seven in one bed. If we complained to mum that we was cold she would chuck another brother on top of us.
So how will things change if "Homelessness" is still top priority? Surely all immigrants are homeless when they arrive??
The councils will ignore any edict from Parliament and continue to push a socialist agenda as all the officers know their jobs will survive best under Labour.
Its time the government did more that giving UK people priority over immigrants for housing. They need to stop so many entering the country.
I am from the Czech Republic and I feel ashamed for people such as Mrs Horvatova. The reason she's left the Czech Republic is a simple one - she thought she was being treated badly and somebody should give her something for nothing. And if you struggle financially, why would you have 7 children???
Why on earth are there council houses with more than 3 bedrooms? That's simply encouraging people to have more children they can't afford. 1 bedroom for the parents, one for the girls and one for the boys. Getting cramped? Stop having children or get a job where you earn enough money to pay for your kids yourself!
So EEU comers will be simply overridden by the locals, not removed from the queue completely? And there are - how many - over 1 million of them? And while all that is happenning your ministers are trying to crack on the non-EU immigrants who are, arguably, the only kind of immigrants that contribute (high-rate taxpayers, no access to benefits, fluent in english, etc.)?? They've certainly messed it up royally from the very start wide opening the UK, unlike the continental EU, to the new member states and now simply try to sweep it all under the carpet distracting attention by the non-EU or student visas limits and ignoring this big elephant in the room....
I've said it before and I will say it again. We need quit the European Union immediately. Apart from ending the infux of economic immigrants, we will be shot of a corrupt self propagating institution that has wormed its way into, and now rules our nation. Then we can tackle the immigrants from all corners of the globe, and don't tell me they are all facing threats, death and destruction. That is simply a myth put around by the do gooders.
What I can't get my head around is, no one in the UK or Ireland are rushing over to Eastern Europe to take advantage of their benefit system, yet we have 1000s coming here with no skills, little command of the English language and a mindset of free money and benefits. We've created a monster that is slowly getting out of control. Can you imagine what Britain will be like in 10 years time?
So, everybody on this board used to decry that migrants were getting priority over locals - whether or not that was actually true. Now we have locals getting priority over migrants: it's the same 'policy' - but how is it any more justified one way than the other? There should be no priorities, no 2nd class citizens - most especially not 2nd class locals. Immigration should be controlled to begin with, and housing allocation should remain a matter of need.
Like someone has all ready said, wait and see. I've nothing against immigrants but I do think they should only be allowed to come to England if they have a trade that will benefit the country therefore putting something back into it via tax and nhi. I work for a charity based company and we try our damned best to help those who are homeless get a home but do we succeed? No where near as much as we'd like and these people were born here. Even trying to get them into a hostel is a nightmare as we are constantly told there are no places as they are all full. Those born here should come first. My grown kids haven't a chance of getting council property, unless they want to live in a ghetto and why should they when they work?
'Discetionary' and 'consideration' mean nothing. This new policy will be 'ignored' by many Councils. What is needed is a clearly written piece of legislation that spells out the new policy so the looney left councils cannot circumnavigate it with 'discretion'.
Even if its true it wont happen----tthe first refusal will mean a recourse to Human Rights It puzles me that france can expell Roumanian gypsies ad hoc without no Human rights legislation even considered---I suspect it is because they dont have legions of beurocrats and money hungry lawyers considering these peoples welfare above the french citizens
And pigs may fly, just wave the racist card and sorry here's your new house, or build where ever you want too
Empty words.. just like when Labour said British jobs for British workers, then when the stats came out for 2009 we seen that 70% of new jobs went to immigrants / none British. We also had similair on housing from Labour.... Empty words from the Condem'ers.... heard it all before
There is something barmy here, how on earth does a man with obviously limited education, a school cleaner from Eastern Europe, a wife with seven children get given a house in the UK?
So Mrs HorvatovaÂ’s husband leaves his job and makes himself and his family intentionally homeless by coming to Britain. We then give them a council house, he gets Jobseekers Allowance and doubtless the family receive other welfare payments. The government intends to stop such abuse. Enter the human rights lawyers and you can guess the rest.
Please, dont think for one minute it will stop these people from abusing the system. Note PLEASE the comment that priority will still be given to the homeless, well most of these people are already being classified as homeless, indeed they manage to manipulate themselves very easily in to this. And those who dont use that route will simply start using it. The only way to stamp this out is to ensure local people are ALWAYS given priority, no matter what. Let these people sit in the bed and breakfasts until they get fed up and go home.
It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true! - sheila, derby, 30/8/2010 12:10 Wrong. When this topic came up at school, our English teacher asked us to count the first 100 people we saw in the street to find out the percentage that were foreigners. In 1964 he doubted if the number would be above 10%. I have continued to do this head count over the years and about ten years ago I found 61% were foreign. When I did this two weeks ago I found that 92% were foreign. Sheila, I am sure you live a charmed existence up there in Derby. I have relatives that live there and it is a lovely place, but for many foreigners London is England and it is accurate to say that London is currently swamped by foreigners.
the shouldn't give houses to anyone be it British or immigrants. House prices should be made affordable so each and every citizen should work and pay rent or motgage like us the tax payer are doing period...! I am sick and tired of the uncountable help they government provides to people who have made a choice not to work.
if this is true than im beginning to like the coalition government, also why are we helping countries that are not war torn and in their people in danger!
And rightly so!
That'll be the day!
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what!
At long last some justice, the next best thing to do is for the swift removal of the Human Rights Act by writting to your MP in droves as I have done and if Clegg doesn't like it, then to hell to the coalition...This Act must go NOW!
My dad died last year and my mum is about to be made homeless , my dad was 59 when he died and had paid taxes and national insurance since he started work at 17 . Guess what council have told her she will have to wait years before she can be housed. She has to stand and listen at the council office and watch whilst immigrants get housed just because they have just arrived in this country. This country sucks. But not for immigrants,..
Too little too late.
This should have been in place years ago but I hope it really does happen.
Yet another BNP policy that was 'racist' when they suggested it, but 'common sense' when suggested by someone else.
How are immigrants given any housing whatsover? We have enough of our home-grown losers that need housing without importing more. If you can't make a net-contribution to the UK, we don't want or need you.
It is the fault of the government that we have been overrun with immigrants as they could also exercise the option to say no. The other EU countries seem to have no problem with this. English people must also take some of the blame themselves as they allow themselves to be dictated to and misled. Some of the irrational claims being made show a lack of understanding on how the EU operates - it's just simpler to blame them when anything goes wrong. Perhaps that is why we have never been given the chance to vote on the referendum by any government.
Won't happen.Full stop.
Isn't this all a bit too late?
Won't happen.Full stop.
THE British National Party (BNP) have been saying this for years and all the media including you Daily Mail have said the BNP lie and are racist. So the BNP are telling the TRUTH. It's not racist to love your Country and want the best for it and it's people.
How can a family from abroad after a few days in UK be allocated a house. It beggars belief and the person(s) who allowed this to happen should immediately be sacked!!! Disgraceful
The housing minister states that councils should give priority to local people but then goes on to say that they will have to give priority to the homeless,people with families and other needy groups, as most of these immigrants have large families and are homeless then nothing has changed. it is just another paper exercise
yeah! we will see! hope this isn't another publicity stunt for the coalition! trouble is all the promises from past governments came to nothing and now i find it very hard to believe or trust anything any of them say-but, if true, yipee! 'bout time immigrants were not allowed to jump the queue for just about everything, including benifits! british citizens are feeling as though they are the foreigners!!!
At last common sense! Give immigrants the back seat, its only fair. Will this apply to everything else too I wonder??! benefits, drain on the NHS etc
What about removing people from housing lists whose first question after viewing a property is to do with buying it and how much discount they can get? I doubt locals will be given priority as immigrants will scream racial discrimination until they get their way, and they will get their way because our weak councils and government will back down.
So L.A.s will be free to allocate to ' locals '. I just can see that happening in any of the Marxist regions of London etc. I did not know that all tthe migrants to this country come from Eastern Europe ( certainly no mention of anybody else ). There should be return to the simple combined points/ need based system of the 70s with a proviso that no migrant qualifies for 5 years. Then most unskilled migration from outside the EU and asylum seeking would disappear overnight.
I should think we have given all the immigrants housing - surely there cannot be many more to be let into the country. Or once again this story is a rumour along with the Government's new proposal to cap immigration. The politicians are okay it is the rest of the population who suffer. The UK in some parts is looking like a concrete jungle - the politicians love it because they look upon it as votes and the property developers are just as bad as bankers, if not worse. Mainly because we are living in very overcrowded conditions becoming more and more aggressive towards each other.
I'm meant to be a European but I still have to show my passport at Dover. We would be better off out of it standing on our own feet and ruling our own country with our borders tightly protected. - Hairnicks, Bristol, 30/8/2010 13:35 You know why that is? Because the UK refuses to join the Schengen Zone - which allows EU citizens to travel without borders and passports, just ID cards. So that's no the EU's fault, it's the UK's. Educate yourself.
That no one had the foresight to see that a system that penalised its own population would cause huge problems is beyond me. It just goes to show those in power who blindly take decisions are severely lacking in common sense and knowledge for the lives of their constituents.
And what's more there are fairies at the bottom of my garden, and I believe in the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas, so of course I believe this will happen.
So Mr Horvatova had a job in the Czech Republic as a cleaner. He obviously earned enough money to provide a home for and support himself, his wife and his steadily growing family. Why then does he up sticks and come here - where there is no job? Why is this allowed when the man had work in his own country? Send the lot back home.
i dont understand politics only common sense, at last the coalition is going to earn brownie points, with that and the welfare farce, lets hope it is not just talk. the french can get away with it why cant we?get rid of the quangos that are waiting for these people to arrive and stear them to accommodation and other benefits, the system only works one way. i worked up to retirement,this is the only way to have my say.it is to late the damage is done,the past governments have seen to that. you dont have to be a member of the BNP want your own country as it was, VIVA LA FRANCE. NOW bring out the do gooders.
Regarding the Czech family in the country 2 minutes, not working, breeding like rabbits and demanding a taxpayer-funded council house - this is beyond belief. Do you really think that would happen in the United States or Australia? In fact anywhere else but Britain? Broken Britain. Too right.
This family of seven children and two adults might make a start by cleaning up the litter in their council subsidised back garden, or are they waiting for someone from the council to do it?
I haven't and wouldn't apply, but if I wanted to get benefits here in Cyprus, being British, I would have to have worked for at least 6 months here and built up enough contributions to qualify, also to get a job via their jobcentre they don't want to know unless we speak Greek fluently and also read and write it, and as for a house, no chance! But I appreciate those rules, I wanted to live here so I should be able to support myself and not be a drain on the Cypriots.
I don't believe it, the men in wigs and the EU won't let them put immigrants last. the ConDems are only saying this because of the growing surport of the BNP
Common sense at last......hurray. All we ask is a level playing field..............and an orderly queue!
Why dont the Government have the same policies as Australia whereby you have to live a self sufficient life in the country for 5 years before you can claim any benefits, i.e. free health care, benefits, free housing. Our Government is the pits!!!! I used to be proud to be British but I am certainly not now! By the way I am not against any nationality as there is good and bad in all, but I feel that as this country is in such an economic mess, the british people who have paid their taxes and put money into the country for many many years should be looked after first.
This family in the picture wants more bedrooms? By the looks like she can't look after the house she's got let alone get a bigger house..... Fed up of seeing people on benefits with scruffy houses they do not work so have all the time in the world to clean.
I arrived back into the Uk a year ago, after being abroad for 17 years. I was refused job seekers allowence and couldn't draw any dole. I'm pure bred English and had to struggle until I found a job, 45 minutes away from home.
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words!
I too say about time too and hope that they really do mean it and do it!! This country has been a soft touch for immigrants for far too long.
If EU immigrants can not afford private accommodation then they should go back to their country of origin-just as Brit workers have to do in their country! It is also a disgrace that benefits are paid to these people without equal reciprocal arrangements for our people throughout Europe. If the country concerned can not afford it, they should not be in the EU. EU=Enormously Unfair!
They shouldn't be IN the queue
yes,of course I agree with this,but you must realise that we cannot leave these poor people unhoused,so if there is no council houses available would a hotel do,or we could allocate a private house and pay the rent for them.Well there you go then,problem solved.PUT IT ON MY BILL,ITS CALLED TAX.
I see the price of Bacon has gone sky high, because Pigs are Flying. The EU and judiciary will soon put the mockers on this, even though you cannot get any type of help in their countries.
What ever happens in housing it is to late now to save this country it is no longer possible to believe any of our politicians the countrys make up has been changed more dramaticly since the 1950 .s more than through out history . What is a local scratch the surface and the majority are immigrants or the off spring invited to this country with out the consent of those that fought to make this once great country free. and who died waiting for council houses.
It's a good idea in principle but I'm sure some immigrants rights group will challenge it under EU human rights laws the the EU will step in and ban the practice.
For one, I will believe it when I see it and two, this sounds a little like the CameronGlegg well oiled machine's researchers have been reading the British national Party's policy document.
'Local' British people come in all colours, it's not racist to put those who have contributed to this country for a long time to the front of the queue. It's shameful it's taken the politicians this long to realise what is right.
This family are simply a drain on the social services & should be sent back to their homeland. If immigrants don't have a job lined up, they should not be allowed entry to our country. Simples!
Next thing we'll be having notices around the country : whites only/blacks only. circa Johannesburg 1971 when I moved there. I quickly moved back to the UK, I can tell you!
I love how Sheila, Derby has been red arrowed for stating FACTS! Another fact is the small minded, right wing daily mail readers will read between any lines and the type of propaganda normally heard from the mouths of the BNP idiots. And for those saying they watch friends / family etc struggle to pay rent..........Speechless - how else should they live - Free? Should we not all pay rent / mortages? Its not okay for anyone to expect a free ride - i want my taxes to help the needy, no matter where they're from - not the lazy workshy brits (or otherwise) who bemoan a time gone by, and expect everything handed to them on a plate. I work, now you try it.
Do you think a council such as Haringay will take the slightest notice of this ?
YES AND I JUST HEARD SANTA IS REAL DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH - disgusted woman, CANTERBURY KENT, 30/8/2010 13:10 I totally 100% agree. I remember a few years ago Tower Hamlets council tried this it was called the 'Sons and Daughters' scheme. It was outlawed as racist. This will not go through, even if they did try and push it through the European Court of Human Rights will slap it down.
Its as simple as this. If any member of an EEC country presents himself in the UK, then He/ She has the same rights as a Citizen of the UK. When we joined we didnt think that the Rich Germans or French would want to come here. But since the poorer countries have been admitted there is vast emigration to our shores for People from the Poorest and furtherest parts. Why oh why did they admit Bulgeria and Romania ?... I would imagine in the future Lawyers from the UK will base themselves in these impoverished countries taking on Human rights cases. I.E. There human rights will be affected if they arnt allowed entry and residence in the UK. Benefits should be granted to these people. Only the same amount that they could claim in their own country. Well done Mr and Mrs Blair and Mr Brown with our Human Rights act.
If they want to come here all immigrants they should have money enough for a year, jobs lined up and accomodation sorted, as well as filling all the other criteria. Why are we such total mugs? I am not being rascist but why would they come here and take the things we have paid for. I have met many nice immigrants but really the situation we are in is madness. We must take care of our own people first, no matter what their colour or faith.
John of East Anglia. I live in France and have done so for the past 30 years as my husband is French. I agree with you in France if you work and are then made unemployed you get about 12 months unemployment, which is lower and lower as the months go on. Then you get what they call the RMI which is a bare minimum, I think (as I have never used it) it is about £400 per month but this is for your food, clothes, housing everything. So if other Europeans come to France then they are treated under French law. If the same Europeans go to the UK they are treated under UK law and as far as I can see it's the UK law that gives so much to its own citizens. Then the others under European law are entitled to the same benefits. I could be wrong but I presume that is how it works. You go to any European country you are treated following their internal laws. Britain just seem to have an overwhelmingly good benefits system.
I also lived in France. It was virtually impossible to find work BECAUSE unless you are running your own company there, work is given to the French first and, of course, despite my living there for ten years I was treated as a FOREIGNER and that is how it is. They protect there own. I only wish our government would do the same in the UK. It is hardly any surprise that the EDL want to protest. The EDL would probably not exist if the country were looking after there own. Though I am not a member of the EDL, I totally understand why they feel the need to protest and, it is a rightful protest. The indigenous population is being squeezed from all sides. Work given to foreigners and, if we go to a foreign country no work. Where is the sense in all this? It is neither sensible nor fair. We need some good and sensible policies to help our own home grown people to obtain GOOD employment and GOOD housing. If this does not happen there will be anarchy - I predict it.
And why has the housing system situation been abused? Because it makes money for a whole raft of people (lawyers / EU politicians / doctors e.g.) who never have to live amongst the chaos they create, but... do VERY well out of it financially, thank you. That's why things won't change! There are laws that 99% of the time never make sense but they are still being impleted/maintained. Basically, a load of people within certain 'systems' benefit nicely from it being in place. Let's get with the program!!!!
It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! They are all over my community & have no respect for their neighbours or the council rules. I asked one of them if they were on holiday, & they said no, they'd come over from Sao Paulo to get a place to live. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! - Winston, Tottenham, 30/8/2010 10:55 Winston, so sorry to hear that. I'm brazilian and italian, moved to the UK 3 yrs ago to study and got a job (& pay taxes since) 2 weeks after arriving. I have a great deal of respect for this country and its people and feel ashamed to hear of loud/disrespectful behaviour (not all of us are like btw). You should not have to put up with it, it's YOUR country and when a guest in someone's house, respect in the word. Do yourself a favour and tell/write them what are the social rules of living in Britain. It's YOUR (great) country - do not feel embarassed of taking ownership !
I Watched a programme the other nigh,. If we want live in the U.S.A. we are put at the back of the queue, must have enough money to live on and prove it, and if running a business, employ Americans if you don't conform to this you are turfed out without ceremony. That is some special relationship !!!! back of the queue. fourth world Brits. If you come here you are given housing, money, interpreters to make certain you are getting everything you're entitled ?? to, and it would appear, anything else that takes your fancy. WELCOME TO LABOUR GORDONS LUNATIC ASYLUM.
eastern europeans should not qaulify for council housing at all .what on earth have they done for the country to earn the right .should be for britsh families first and foremost. come on uk ,stop being the soft touch .even the french have more guts than the weak livered people running uk.
Common sense at long, long last. ALLELUIA ! And all new economic migrants should rent for their first 5 or 10 years, in order to give priority to the 'property market' sufficient time to build more homes for the indiginous population. Politicians and academics urgently need to start asking how many more people, then, before Britain's, and the world's, population becomes a totally toturous and unsustainable catastrophe?
- Stephen Irvine, Balloch, Scotland, 30/8/2010 12:36 What would you really know about life in an inner city or even a suburb, sitting up there on the banks of loch Lomond. I do agree that we have enough home grown scroungers of our own, all that says to m
This will probably break some EU rule or be against the immigrants human rights . So don't bet on it actually happening.
About time we looked after our own, makes a change from namby pambying & paying for all the non-contributing useless scroungers from abroad. But I can't help but wonder are the human rights lawyers rubbing their grubby hands in anticipation ?
For non EU nationals on the points system/work permits, we have to earn a certain threshold, we have to have more than 3 years’ experience in that role and prove that no UK/EU person was able to be employed, we pay full tax, and have ZERO recourse to public funds (no tax credits, no job seekers, no nursery vouchers, no social housing etc etc), should we lose our job we have one month to leave the country; no ifs, buts or maybes. We are not the source of the immigration problem, yet the only adjustments the government can make to immigration is to crack down on work permits and the points based system, this only makes it HARDER for hard working, highly paid, tax revenue generating people who don’t consume any of your public funds. Meanwhile, EU nationals, asylum seekers and illegal migrants continue to flow into the UK as normal – why is no one showing that the govt’s action on work permits and points based system is completely ineffective, you are persecuting the wrong people.
WHO'S KIDDING WHO !!!
Why on earth is this Czech family allowed to remain? Nobody in the household works, they do not contribute in the way of taxes. But they take a LOT. A free house, JSA, free education for their kids, free health etc. it's ridiculous! Send them back ASAP! Foreigners should not be allowed to claim anything until they have paid taxes for several years.
Too little too late... You'll probably find that the 'locals' in some ares ARE immigrants as there are towns of them now.
Chris RD S.Yorks - 'In this area the locals are too lazy to work. Jobs are then filled by people from outside the area who need housing'. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating this myth about British people being 'too lazy' for work, particularly if you are British yourself. I recall quite clearly the British unemployment figures being significantly lower, particularly amongst 18-25 year olds, prior to the great social engineering experiment of new labour that welcomed millions of foreign people to our shores. And in this case in particular, where the eastern european immigrant left his job in his own country to move his family to a life of 'free living' in Britain, your comment is made to look all the more ridiculous.
its time this is stopped nobody should be given a house in this country unless they are born here all councils do this as my daughter saw three houses empty a couple of years ago and when she approached the council about one she was told that she would not be considered for these as she was not an immigrant or asylum seeker, when is any goverment going to stop discriminating against the british population.
name and shame every Labour minister, councilor & spokesperson who lied about this, insisting the sky was not blue.
Its about time, they steal our jobs and homes. Lets get out of EU
"Locals to be given priority over immigrants in queue for council houses " Chance would be a fine thing.
Houses, jobs should always go to Brits first. There should be no dole or benefits paid in any area where there are jobs on offer.
Whilst I agree that locals should be given priority over immigrants, your article suggest that those who have "contributed to they system should benefit from the system". Sadly there are many though, who have not contributed to the system at all, have been on benefits their whole lives, and who expect council accomodation as their right. The system should be such that those who make an effort to seek employment, but genuinely cannot afford any other accomodation should be at the top of the list, and those who can't be bothered, because living on benefits is too easy, should be forced to do some kind of work to gain access to their benefits.
Just more soundbites churned out by the coalition's propaganda machine. Nothing will change.
Every single government loves immigrants, for the very reason they drive down wages and stop the unions arguments for salary increases. The old mantra is forever heard, if you don't like it, we will find a foreigner to do the job instead. So the immigrants have enforced the minimum wage and every minister, both LibCon and Labour loves it.
This was in the manifesto of another party too, if anyone bothered to read it.......Nah thought not. And Second class citizen., Airstrip 1, EUSSR, you are spot on mate. Shame the majority of the electorate are either too lazy or too scared to actually research another party (the x factor or BB was probably on the telly). People, there is no shame in being British, whatever colour your skin is. The shame is in being too scared to stand up for yourselves. Ask yourselves this. Is the Britain of today really what millions of our countrymen and women died for in 2 world wars and would they be proud of what we have made it? If you can honestly answer yes, then there is no hope for us and we may as well...........................................(sat here looking at a blinking cursor for 10 mins now and still can't think of anything the DM would print, what a damning indictment of either our country or my vocabulary. Please god its my vocabulary)
The question for the Labour Party to answer is why was it ever otherwise?
About time we looked after our own people. I thought that movement within the european union, was such that anyone moving to another country had to have the means to support themselves and provide their own accommodation, that is certainly the case here in Spain. No social housing for immigrants here. No home, No job, no benefits. I would think the rest of theworld thinks the UK is utopia !!!!! About time it was stopped.
Peterborough council needs to be investigated as to my knowledge anyone coming from and EU country can live in an EU country if they can support there self, but to claim benefits they need to have worked for at least 12 continuous months for which this family has not, so something is going on in Peterborough council or a member of staff does not know the rules.
Why do those types that think we are all one big happy family assume that WE are happy to countenance foreign job stealing interlopers,and exploiters of Britains rediculously soft hearted benefits system. Just look at the comments posted.........you woolly headed doo-gooders are outnumbered hands down. Why not just give it up-your crass socialistic ideas have failed the British,and your time has passed.
We do not want immigrants unless they have a job to go to or can support themselves. That is what the EU laws say. These people should be sent back to their own countries. NO houses. NO benefits.
I lived and was workin in france and when the work dryed up and money was gettin tight i whent to see about dole and was told not here son go home so why isnt that happenin here, why can these othere so called eu nationals turn up get housin and benefits.
YES AND I JUST HEARD SANTA IS REAL DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH
If any of us turned up in Prague, Warsaw, or Budapest and asked to be given accommodation we'd be refused. So why in Britain are immigrants from eastern Europe given council houses anyway - even after a wait? They haven't fled torturing regimes as all the asylum seekers claim to have done. The same with health. Try going without work to Germany or Slovenia and permanently joining their health services. You will be refused point blank. The EU may be bad but it is British politicians themselves who simply don't understand the word NO.
Most people realise that most immigrants who come to this country do not do so for the love of the British people, in fact quite a lot of them despise us..... They come for one reason and one reason only to benefit from the standard of living WE have earned for OUR citizens. If the benefit system dried up for them, which it should, they would be off to the next best soft touch country...if there is one.
It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true! - sheila, derby, 30/8/2010 12:10 Perhaps you should take a look at some of the areas in London then Sheila. Numbers for the country presented as an average don't mean Jack, when you are one of a handfull of white faces on the high street, and the only clothes you can buy locally are hijabs and sari's, and all the food stores sell halal meat.
About time too - let's hope they really mean it.
"But they will still have to give priority housing to the homeless, people with families and other needy groups." Which means immigrants who come here are homeless, therefore they will still be pushed to the front of the queue. What they need to do is start sending home immigrants who cannot support themselves from the start. Why come if you cannot afford to support yourself and have no plans to work. And why come during a time when there is still a shortage of jobs?
why cant we have the same system as Australia, To live there you need to prove you have a job and somewhere to live and have a certain amount of money in your bank account.
ONLY when the EU wakes up and makes every country pay out the same in benefits will it sort out the immigrants situation. IF you get the same benefits whichever country you live in it will stop immigrants from cherry picking where they will be the best off. Some countries are over whelmed with immigrants whilst others who have poorer beneifits system are let off the hook. Time it was rectified. How does a small island like Malta cope with the largest amount of immigrants even above the UK? It just is not fair to the local tax payers especially as we dont want them here anyway. I am afraid if the dictators at Brussels dont do something soon we are heading for disaster as people take the law into their own hands
Yes i agree with all thats been said but we have people like that who are english.....breed.........never work......get money thrown at them and do absolutely nothing to contribute To our economy............... These sort of people should also go to the botttom of the list and these houses be kept for hard working class families.........
About bloody time! Local people are the ones who have paid their taxes NOT the illegal imigrants, locals MUST come first. - John GROVES, Shropshire They are NOT illegal immigrants you fool, their country is a member of the EU, so they are free to move to any other EU country and be treated as locals.
This is disgraceful but everyone knows it has been happening but council officers deny it,local mp's deny it and the labour government denied it and if you dared question it you were accused of being a racist or like that pooe woman who question Gordon Brown she was accused of being a "bigot". The country hates it's own citizens.
The problem is that many of the local population are immigrants, and they will come first again.
Unfortunately, this sovereign state (sic!) has absolutely no power whatsoever to prevent any EU person coming and living here Not being in the EU has done absolutely no harm whatsoever to the Swiss and to the Norwegians and it would save us all huge amounts of money if we left the EU and only traded with them where we wanted to Though, being the vindictive bureaucrat-run nasty lefty organisation it is, they probably would declare trade war against us if we left their expensive club from which we derive so little benefit
In my area of Brent, we've been on the council list for 12 years (a family of 7) whilst we see asylum seekers & immigrants getting beautiful, affordable housing. Now my family are grown up, my husband is aged 66 & we are still denied an affordable place to rent. It really hurts to see foreigners living in such lovely spacious housing, whereas we have had to rent privately & paying the astronomical private rents has impoverished us.
At last. If we Brits went abroad and demanded accommodation - no doubt we would soon be shown the exit door, and told not to approach again. And for all on benefits, homegrown or otherwise, instead of just handing benefits out - make them earn it. Let them mix with others having to earn a living - it might remove the stigma attached to 'benefit' and also reasure the tax-payers who pay them, that their hard earned money is going to good use instead of down the benefit drain................
To all those people who are British and have been on housing waiting lists for years, due to influx of asylum seekers taking priority, than all I can say , to a certain extent, they themselves are to blame!! Why on earth did they sit back and allow it to happen, if it had been any other country particularly America, citizens would have been out on the streets protesting. This country have basically left it too late to start fighting back now, the left wing establishment has too strong a hold, and if the brave few do attempt to rectify the situation, our PC police force will no doubt arrest them for racism ie the EDL and the Anti Facists recent march.!! I would suggest that those British citizens still waiting for a council house write to Trevor Phillips and ask for his help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Josie C, Derby, UK
Do we shoot our self in the foot trying to stop migrants in Calais, when we are such a lucrative place to invaid for foreign nationals? France can turf out their Romany communities and send them to Britain; the EU needs a refuge bin like anywhere else.
If we are to be chained to the EU then surely it would make sense for EU citizens taking up social resources to have this cost charged back to their country of origin if they are not economically self supporting.
- Ex Pats (UK Taxpayers), France, 30/8/2010 12:32 Your post gives the impression that you are confusing asylum seekers with members of the EU who are free to move within other European countries and are entitled to the same benefits as the indigenous popu
About bloody time!!! I dont give a monkeys about the red arrows!!!
Afraid it the usual one rule for us and another for eastern europe AND OTHER countries getting priorities,no dout they are as they are unemployed also getting rent free and other fribiees that the rest of us pay for
Nice soundbite for the coalition but I'm afraid that's all it will ever be. It will almost certainly be declared illegal by the EU for putting Britons ahead of other EU nationals. Neither The Tories, Lib Dems or Labour will take us out of the EU, so as long as we're ruled by any of these 3, we are ruled by the EU.
If your local then surely you have friends and relatives in the area that you can move in with.These unfortunate souls have nobody to help them out so I believe immigrants should be given priority.
Tim from Bolton, yes, Labour's nightmare continues. And we told you that it would before the general election in 2010. We told you that it would continue whichever of the LibLabCon you vote for. It was evident that the Tories were going to rule within the same philosophical context that Labour had created. We knew this not least beacuse of the way Cameron reneged on a "cast-iron" promise to hold a referendum on the EU. The EU really is the reason for most of our woes, and all of our main parties will always have us tied to it. Our woes will continue, but our political elite will just keep getting better off. The only way we can stop this is to vote in a government that will pull us out of the EU and set up a constitution that guards against any future loss of sovreignty. We need a tribunal for the criminals who sold our country (followed by apt punishment for traitors). A constitutional gov. only needs one term. I recommend that you vote UKIP from now on, in all elections.
She is 27 years old and has 7 children!!!
Erm.......what?!?.......*he rubs in eyes in disbelief*.......local people PRIORITISED?!? Is this the beginning of the end of the liberal-elite's entire agenda? An agenda I have to admit my generation supported 30 years ago but woke up to the consequences of 5 years later and then couldn't get rid of the idiots who still believed in it? This agenda DID achieve good things but the bad FAR outweighed the good Strip it all and let COMMON SENSE REIGN AGAIN
The very sad part of all this is the great support suddenly the racist BNP is receiving, which is more than disgusting. I totally agree that some people who come to this country abuse the system. But it's not the immigrants who's fault is, is the councils who, for some reason, are inefficient to set up a rule of priorities on which a national family-citizen should come as a priority, and tbh, any immigrant is very capable of adapting to this situation as he/she has already gave up a familiar environment (their countries) to be here. But supporting the BNP will solve nothing: Have a look at their agenda, if you are not born in this country being legal or not, working or not, you'll be deported. That will include me a lots of very hard worker people who have lived here for years and years and have never claim a penny. And, my friends, whatever the DM and all the racist BNP people like to tell you, it's the majority.
Again, believe it when you see it happening with your own eyes. Headlines are easy.
This has been going on now for years where we are 2nd class citizens in our own country. Immigrants have always come first with the council. Would we come first in their countries, I do not think so. My son and his partner live in Notting Hill, London in a small 3 bedroom flat with 5 children. 3 of from my sons partners previous marriage ages from 18, 16 and 11. My son's children are 3 and 18 months. The 18 month old boy has to sleep in the bed with them as there is nowhere for him to sleep, very unhealthy situation. Letters have gone to Sir Malcolm Rifkind, Head Housing Officer and Social Services but no one wants to help or even care.. The point system is a joke which the council now have and again suits immigrants not hard working people like my son. 2 options they were given which were Swap, but who would down size to a flat with no lift and 4 flights of stairs, not the elderly. Privately but this does give any security if the owner wants to sell the property. We should come first
""I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 Surely in that time you could have saved enough money to buy a house? - Marg, Porthcawl, Mid Glamorgan, 30/8/2010 12:23"" When you pay high private rents there is nothing left to save.
In this area the locals are too lazy to work. Jobs are then filled by people from outside the area who need housing. The council recognises the need and these people get priority housing so nothing will change.
at long last!!!
About time, too!
''But they will still have to give priority housing to the homeless, people with families and other needy groups.'' so basically, no change then as the immigrants are effectively homeless, usually have large families and have nowhere else to stay. more empty words and meaningless gestures
"Were doomed Captain Mainwaring, were doomed" Time to hand the keys over & get out now before its too late.
Too little, too late, I'm afraid. The damage has been done and it was only a couple of days ago that Vince Cable was showing how dangerously left wing the lib dems are. This problem is easily solved, vote BNP, this will all seem like a bad dream and we can once again be our own masters, or you can carry on with your eyes firmly shut and this country will get worse.
I dont know why DM insist on depress us with stories like this. We all know us tax payers are keeping scrounger Britain in the lifestyle they are accustomed to and that probably nothing much will ever change. We also know its us tax payers that will be the ones that bring the deficit down as i cant ever see the government doing anything sensible, like capping benefits to stop professional breeders and make people better off in work. The fact that we are giving houses to people from abroad who have contributed nothing to this country does not suprise me, after all were throwing money at professional breeders just the same. A free for all this country has become if your lacking in pride and for people abroad who are wanting an easier and better way of life. We go on about how bad the deficit is but the government only seem to be taking away from the very people who work and are contributing to getting it down and who havent really caused it in the first place. Nothing will ever change
Somehow England never seems to get new laws right and people wanting to come to the UK always find ways to exploit the detail of the law and here is the backdoor, literally, for all those wanting a home in the UK. They will simply move over and claim to be living on the streets even if they do bed down at a friend who came and got a council house before them. So once registered as homeless they again get priority and as the seem to be allowed over with all their kids in tow then their priority need increases. So why not quash that by from the start saying that unless you can prove that you have a home to stay at then you can not come over, even if it is to seek employment which they say they are doing. Unless they have somewhere to stay they should not be allowed in. The should not be allowed to be housed in the homes our taxes have built at the expense of those who contributed to that tax monies. And if the EU don't like it we should leave instead of constantly being used.
Call me cynical, but I'll believe it when i see it!
But what does the term "local" people mean? If an immigrant turns up in your town then they will be classed as "local" because they are in your locale. Nothing will change while we are part of the EU.
Hallelulja! Now go a step further and stop giving benefits to non-nationals altogether.
The immigrants will get around this by claiming they are "homeless". Anyone else spot the glaring loophole that foreigners will use to their advantage? Very little will change as councils have proved to be too pc which will not benefit the Brits.
Well it's a start to getting priorities in the right order. Homes for local people is the right thing to do, now let's see the jobs paying a living wage given to local people. When that is implemented, the UK will not be seen as El Dorado by economic migrants.
The real reason for the lack of Council Housing is not "the scourge of mass immigration" that the media would have us all whipped up into a frenzy over but is down to a large majority of third generation benefits scroungers (usually white and working class) who just like their fathers and grandfathers before them, have no intention of working and contributing to the countrys economy but yet somehow believe that they are more entitled by right of birth to free housing and handouts. Are we now going to see these "poor white downtrodden" lifelong scroungers given preferential treatment over someone who is perfectly willing to come to this country, work hard and contribute like a large majority of immigrants are. There are industries in this country that would collapse without immigrant labour and that's a FACT!
It's about time our own were put first, but I don't mean the lazy good for nothing work shy - I mean the hard working people of this country and there are a lot of them. Sort it all out - housing - benefits etc.
Think very carefully. If you think this is bad you haven't seen anything yet. There are millions, not thousands, millions of Turks with their bags packed waiting for the EU green light to invade our country. - Second class citizen., Airstrip 1, EUSSR, 30/8/2010 12:56 Oh dear oh dear oh dear. What a well informed comment. Not only are their bags packed ready they have already started to queue at Istanbul airport and the border crossing at Erdine.
If someone comes here with their kids, no job, no money and no home they should be sent back. They are voluntarily homeless and deserve nothing. Europe has done nothing for me, I'm meant to be a European but I still have to show my passport at Dover. We would be better off out of it standing on our own feet and ruling our own country with our borders tightly protected.
About bloody time! Local people are the ones who have paid their taxes NOT the illegal imigrants, locals MUST come first.
At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here. - Geoff, EU, 30/8/2010 3:59 How do you know that, what an idiotic statement.
This giving houses to the asylum seekers and foreigners has been going on for a long time. We have become 2nd class citizens in our own country. Would they do this for us in their countries, I think not. My son and partner live in Notting Hill in a very small 3 bedroom council flat. There are 5 children, ages ranging frojm 18 years, 16 years, 11 years (from son's partners first marriage) then a 3 years old and 18 month. The 18 month old has to sleep in the bed with mum and dad as there is nowhere to put him this is v ery unhealthy. There have been numerous letters to Sir Malcolm Rifkin, Head of Housing, Social Services but no one wants to know or help. You are told there are no 4 bedroom properties but then find that a foreigner has moved into one. This points system the council have is a load of rubbish as you cannot get anwhere with them and they always fob you off. Try swapping they said but who wants to downsize to a property with no lift if they are elderly. Put us first
It is about time!
More radical action is required i.e get the foreigners out of social housing and tax funded private housing and get the indigenous population who have been on the waiting lists for years into those houses! Either place the foreign nationals into disused forces property or into hostel style accommodation. Why on earth are our taxes being used to subsidise housing for foreigners when our own families cannot get either social housing or onto the housing ladder through purchase. The former because foreigners come first and the latter because foeigners come first i.e with the jobs that would ensure our family coulda ctually buy their own! Tiem to stop the prejudice againt the indigenous population - it has gone on far too long and this social left wing experiment has got to stop. Cameron get your finger out before it is too late!
Being a single female, with a good job and no children, I have absolutely no chance of getting a council house in my local area, even though I have lived here all my life. Now if I presented at the Council Offices as a pregnant female, with no job I'd be put to the top of the list and whilst I appreciate they are the more needy out of both of us, something just doesn't seem fair to me. Having split from my partner this year, I went to the Council to see if they could help me and I was told that I earn too much to be classed as truly a homeless case. No investigation into my personal circumstances, just an assumption made on the salary I earn. What am I paying all my taxes for?
Whether you voted labour or not you have to admit this co / government seem to be doing it right so far. They are not scared of doing what is required or saying it as it should be said, re Pakistan. If they could now tell the banks to lend more freely to first time buyers then that would be the way forward. Gordon Brown and his lot were innept and thought only of giving to those not wanting to work with little thought to those who had to work for a living.
I suspect this will be yet another fine idea (vote winner) that will bite the dust as soon as the first immigrant family rejected for housing complains under EU Human Rights legislation. If this country is ever to recover from the damage that the last 40 years has done, it must withdraw from EU membership and re-build its industry and economic ties elsewhere. No chance. For either scheme.
this is a good move. it's fundamentally unfair that EU or any immigrants should get housing benefits when citizens are in the waiting list. frankly citizens should get first shot. otherwise what is the point of being a citizen? i say this as an immigrant myself who is not entitled to council housing due to not being from the EU.
The real issue that needs to be urgently addressed is unrestricted immigration from any and every where in europe. It affects the UK and now Ireland more than anywhere else. Why - apart from the very generous benefits system in both countries?? Europe is in crisis controlled by a central core than restricts countries doing what is best to solve their own problems and costing a fortune to boot. On joining the EEC - we signed up for a market place TO TRADE IN not a FEDERAL STATE CALLED EUROPE. Government needs to deal with this.
Why are you picking on East European immigrants taking council housing?...........is it because council housing is beneath other immigrants like the Afghans who were given 2 million pound houses to live in central London?
Non EU, non productive immigrants will just go private at a higher cost to us all.
Some people just don't get it.The Uk is part of the EU,all one big happy family,there's nothing stopping British People from going to EU countries.You have just voted for immigration and all that goes with being part of the EU,when you voted Tory and Liberal.Stop whingeing and get on with it, the situation your in is your own doing,and it's there to stay.
As with the so-called "immigration cap" this is once again fawning to the racists in our society. So much for the government being liberal and progressive.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 Surely in that time you could have saved enough money to buy a house?
How about no benefits for 15 years after citizenship, apart from life threatening emergency in hospital (note, not just any self defined emergency for which anyone can show up in hospital, that's easier than registering for GP services as any "immigrant" will tell you)
And no doubt as well as a house and JSA, immigrant families get child benefits, housing benefits etc yet they have paid nothing into the welfare system and are living entirely off the British taxpayer. And then they complain the house is too small and they have to travel to school! I can understand wanting to give their families a better life but not at my expense or that of the many British unemployed and needy families.
Tony Barrett Ah quite right Tony. (I love a Yorkshireman!)
A colleague told me 2 years ago that he was looking for 500 places to settle Asylum Seekers and othe immigrants, in his capacity of working in Birmingham City Council Housing Dept. It was not the councils idea, they were dead against it, but it was a dictate by the NuLab government, who had ordered it. And if British people living in council houses were to be evicted to make room, then so be it. NuLabour, more like Germany, 1933 to '45 to me!
The first sentence of this article fills me with anger; 'British people will be allowed'. WILL BE ALLOWED? How patronising and wrong on so many levels. A warning to all those traitorous politicians, we do not need your permission!
Even though they are from other EU countries they still have to be able to support themselves to gain entry to this country...what are these people doing here? and how can Vince Cable say it is of benefit to the british people to allow these people free access..
Perhaps we should tell, not ask, the EU that for every EU immigrant travelling through Europe to get here and claim benefits we will reduce our EU contributions by £10k pa.
About bloody time - charity begins at home. Take all the scrounger's homes back and give them to the British who deserve them!
At long last we have a government that is going to prioritise the needs of British residents (not, of course, British benefit scrounging layabout breeders) Council houses are not for immigrants but they should be reserved for desperately needy people on a temporary basis. There should not be a council house for life - still less, an inherited council house Most of them should be made available for tenants to buy but a small proportion should, as l say, be reserved for people who find themselves temporarily in a desperate situation to help them while they sort themselves out
I find it amazing that I was born in Britain worked all my life paid my taxes but married a Russian lady and she is not entitled to anything as her Visa states no recall to public funds Ok my responsibilty to take care of my wife and I happily do this albeit she is not even entitled to job seekers allowance or college as that also is Government funded unlike all E.U. members that are ripping our system apart claiming anything and everything including queue jumping for British Citizens who have wated years to be allocated houses and to add insult to injury these people will then expect their rent to be paid by housing benefit. No wonder we are millions in the red it is time this and past Governments look after genuine British people. Before anyone asks I definatly am not a member of the B.N.P. I am labour through and through
But if priority will still be given to the homeless then these imigrants will still get the houses, since they will be homeless upon arrival into the UK, so how will this change anything?
I'm British born & bred, my husband is a hardworking man from outside the EU. Despite me having put into the system for 18 years, & him contributing tens of thousands over 5 years via tax & NI, NEITHER of us are allowed to claim ANYTHING from the government until my husband gets permanent leave to remain. How on earth is it fair that I, & my child, who are both BRITISH do not have any claim to council housing or benefits & are struggling financially whilst these scroungers come to the country, sit on their backsides pumping out yet more mouths for the British taxpayers to clothe & feed, and get everything handed to them on a plate?! And then they have the cheek to moan that it's not enough?!! It's no wonder that hard working people think negatively about immigrants. My husband is an immigrant but works at least 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Why are we suffering whilst these layabouts sit watching their plasma TVs & procreating?
So if 1 in 12 council houses are occupied by non-UK citizens that makes 92% occupied by British people. Not such a good headline that way round! It's very easy to pick on cases such as the Horvatovas. Some DM readers may have even seen similar cases in their own areas. But overall British people get the lion's share of council houses. Another 'inconvenient statistic' - less than 5% of new council house lettings go to foreign nationals (source ONS 2009). It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true!
Maybe now my daughters will finally be given a council property. They have been on the list for years and have had to watch immigrants get council properties within days of arriving in OUR country. My daughters were BORN HERE I was BORN HERE as was my wife and both our parents. We have had to watch them struggle to pay excess rent on their privately rented properties. They have worked and paid all their dues, but to no avail when properties have come available. The council say that immigrants have priority and, although we were overcrowded whe they lived with us, as did their children and a daughter with her husband, we had to watch immigrants get 5 bedroom properties from the council for having less people than we had.
This has to be wrong becuse if you believe the print media, all immigrants get a free 10 bedrooom house with 54 inch flat screen TV and free car.
i'll believe that when i see it.
Councils will consider 'the desire of local people' when they are deciding housing policy, he added. Sounds great on paper but if you live in somewhere like Walthamstow or Tower Hamlets the council is filled with racists who despise white people and take every opportunity to create policies that discriminate against us. Time we took our country back. Sadly I don't think the coalition have any intention of doing anything as all politicians are increasingly irrelevant now we have had EU rule imposed on us. They are just out for themselves now. Just look at Blair.
Well Tony from Rotherham they have already started the first step in what you are suggesting will come next - £20k tax grab on your estate who will that benefit? taking money from dormant accounts who will that benefit? 6 months after probate your house can be taken if its not sold and the local authority can do what the hell it likes with that house let it to who its likes......who said to buy a home and it was yours? we have taken every penny in equity release and we will keep on doing so the beggars are getting nothing else off ME or mine! we shall do what we like with the money released give it away hoard it do what we like but NO government is going to get what I have worked all my life for and everyone else should do the same that should stuff em!
A local connection could be deemed only 6months. So arrive in UK rent for 6 Months, get evicted, made homeless and get council house. It works belive me
We all know that immigrants are higher priority than our own. As soon as they are given leave to remain immigration status in the UK. it is advised on the LTR letter they are now entitled to social housing, and full benefits, so they come off of Social Services care (if they have children) or NASS and go straight to the front of the queue for EVERYTHING as they are deemed "vunerable". As for the europeans, they only have to have kids and they too are given priority to housing, so as they can enjoy a stable family life in the UK. I know I am not alone when I say I am sick to the back teeth of this abuse of our system. Time to pull up the drawbridge, stop the free housing, free healthcare, free education for non English speaking pupils, non payment of council tax, free travel passes, prescriptions, dental care and watch them all scuttle back off "home" and good riddence to them. Cameron, do SOMETHING about this - or you will be OUT come the next election!
"Back in our country my husband cleaned schools" is this the skilled immigrant workforce that brown used to tell us we needed ?
No wonder they are coming here in droves.Where else in the world could you go and live for free.This couple are only in their twenties with SEVEN children and no doubt will go on to have many more.We taxpayers have to fund these freeloaders.Yet we are told there is no money for people to retire at 65. If these people cannot support themselves they should be sent straight back to where they came from.The Lab/Con/ Libs will do nothing that is why support for the BNP and EDL is growing.
Time we did something. The powers that be know we won't which is why they get away with it. If you tried this in Australia the people would rise up. This is Frankfurt school politics.
The levels of resentment over working taxpayers being treated as second class seems to be rising,will there ever be any government brave enough to deal with the problem before Enoch Powells visions become reality.
"It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! What's that about. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! - Winston, Tottenham, 30/8/2010 11:55 The answer to that is easy, Brazilians (who speak Portuguese), enter via Portugal which is an EU member. From experience, those who enter UK are not exactly the cream of the crop either.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 What have you been doing for 16 years? What would happen if we all sat on the housing list expecting the rest of society to subsidise us?
Although I do not agree with it how many people wouldnt relocate to the uk from a easten european country knowing you get free housing, benefits, NHS, decent schools for your kids etc. The goverment need to get a grip they are causing all the resentment/racisim that is building up in communities, it isnt the immigrants to blame they obviously know when they get here they have it made. It is our goverment who allow the influx to continue!! A few years go I was talking to a Bulgarian man in Bulgaria who called the UK the GOLDEN COUNTRY EVERYTHINGS FREE. To me that says it all.
How does this family, and thousands like them, make a case for Labours policy of mass immigration. They have contrbuted nothing, and as the learn more about the system, they too will realise that there is no point in finding a job as they are probably already bringing in more than a family on the average wage
So in the average UK parliamentary constituency seven houses last year went to people from new-EC countries. Why is this news? - TonyB, Melbourne, Australia, 30/8/2010 3:37 No Tony, it is NOT news, it is Tory supportive Anti-Labour propaganda....read between the lines !
It is worth remembering that britain is a nation of immigrants, historically we are all the descendats of some group or other that have moved into this land. Immigrants really have just as much right to be here as the so called English, Welsh and Scottish, and should be given every avaliable means of help to settle.
This is a ridiculous situation and grossly unfair.Why allow people in if they have no job prospects?The net result will be hardship for indiginous people, who no doubt have contributed to the system already and growing ill feeling on the estates and streets of our towns and cities.
John Major's gift to the UK - unrestricted immigration from the EU. As he said at the time we did not need restrictions, perhaps he should have listened to Tony Blair who was then to inherit the problem.
No where else in the world would this Alice in Wonderland attitude be repeated by local authorities, not forgeting, it's at the expence of those indigenous families.Its a mad, mad ,mad UK
The British public will do nowt about it and the excuses for politicians responsible will carry on corrupting and debasing our country. Slap a Briton in the face and he just turns the other cheek, no balls, and no future.
i,ll believe it when i see it with my own eye,s but i wont be holding my breath.
I have been on my local housing list for 2 years, not long compared to others, but I am told I have no chance of even been considered as there are too many above me. I literally had no where to live, but turned away. I see many others from EU and various places all manage to get fixed up. I was told I was not priority !
my husband and i both work,have 4 children and live in council rented property.we dont rely on state benifit of any sort, yet we are not in the position to buy a property yet.we would love a bigger house but have no chance really.well unless we both gave up our jobs and went on the dole.it angers me that these people can come into our country get given money,clothes ,furniture and houses.i think its about time charity started at home.im getting fed up with these stories that are printed week in week out.us brits must be the laughing stock of the world.
Closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
Why am I not surprised this happens again ? Yes we should put our own people first. Every other country in the world does. I have lived in many countries and always comapre the way the people of those countries are allowed to put their national flags up without concern of 'offending' others. Always teach their own history, languages and culture and not the minorities who go to live there. The also, most importantly, don't give benefits to people who have not contributed into the system. It should be like a bank - if you haven't made a 'deposit' - you cannot make a 'withdrawal'. Simple really and cost effective !! That would stop the influx of 'job-seekers' etc. Why do we have English homeless people who cannot access housing and benefits whilst foreigners walk straight in and get the lot AND still complain. Tony Blair wrecked the country and walked away a multi millionaire. Shame
The betrayal of the British people started with Heath and its gone on from there
I'm married to a Philippine girl and she can't understand why British government this sort of thing to happen. In her country Philippine people come first not the other way around. I think this country needs to have a major revolt and make these governments we elect realise that this is England (whats left of it) and English people should come first. Never mind political correctness, Human rights etc. We seem to be a dumping ground for migrants and this country can't afford it. Lets do something about it eh?
""About time they made it the same as the Isle of Man. . . I believe there, you have got to be a permanent resident on the island for 5 years before your even considered for a Council house although their Benefits system is based on the same as ours. - Stephen E. W. Robb, Reading, Berkshire UK, 30/8/2010 06:53"" We have a points based system for social housing. You either have to have been born here (which gives you extra points to start with) or have been living here for 10 years before you can even put your name on the waiting list. However, there is still no social housing as once people are in they never move out, even if they have a good income. I know people who own very successful businesses, have huge cars, a couple of foreign holidays a year, all the latest mod cons, etc, who live in Commissioners' houses. Then there are people like us who live virtually on the breadline paying a huge rent in the private sector. The benefits system is slightly different to the UK.
the article says councils can decide,dont hold your breath,especilly if your council is run by labour
The loophole is this: if you apply for, or have a council property, and have deliberately made yourself homeless - you will not, repeat, not be housed or rehoused. If people leave their home countries to come here, they too have made themselves deliberately homeless and should go to the bottom of the queue. Of course people cannot wait to get here - they know they will get priority, and have more rights than the indigenous people, or at least, those who have lived here and contributed to the system over generations. Use the loophole. Thats what its for. And give priority to those who have lived here all their lives. Its a joke. And the world knows it. Thats why they are on their way here now as we speak.
Bring back Lady T's "Right to buy" but, this time, use the money to build more council houses.
And we have been told for ages by various politicians that this sort of thing wasn't happening. It's not immigration from outside the EU we ought to be stopping...it's immigration from within the EU that is the Trojan Horse of this era. What a pity that no politician has the guts to stand up and say what needs to be said. The decline of Britain began with the abolishment of corporal punishment in schools and the cessation of National Service coupled with the rise of PC...and I'm afraid that it is now too late to "reverse the tanker". The decline will continue. Having been born in 1944 I think I can say that I saw Britain at its best....and am now witness to it at its worst.
You voted Labur for all those years. Now you have to pay for it. Very simple. Don't do it again.
A better life for the children, of course there will be, with all the hand outs, housing, rent paid, council tax paid, income support, family credit. It will be like hitting the jackpot. There is resentment and rightly so. I thought there was going to be a cap on migrants entering the UK, yeah, right, pull the other one, it has bells on it. What the Government will do, is take money from the indigenous population, who have paid their dues. One day soon, there will be a real public upsurge, as the nation tries to cling on to what little it has left.
Tell us something new this has been going on for years.Weve all been told that if we the british public say anything we were racist? I waited on the council waiting list for nine years living in a two bedroom flat with four kids and the council would not rehouse us.Ive seen some of my neighbours living in damp housing and the council would not rehouse them.
my friend Ben lives in a privately owned flat with 4 of the other 5 flats being council tenants, and his upstairs neighbour is single Kurdish man. How does a single man get given a 2 bedroom council flat ? He is actually a lovely man but it is the principle- none of us as single people with no children could get a 2 bed council flat , that is why we buy or rent privately!
I'm sorry but the jobs that immigration was supposed to fill, these are mostly mythical. And they always were. So a family from the Czech Republic travel here on spec, despite having no job prospects and having made no contributions of any kind, within days (only days mind you) of their arrival they have a house. Funny how these people always know exactly where to go to get what they want. The man of the house has jobseekers' allowance, willing to bet he had that about five minutes after he arrived too. My one and only foray into an attempt to get JA I was told (despite having contributed every day of my working life -- over twenty years), that it would take at least six weeks, and there was this condition and that condition... I gave up. I have never bothered with any of that since.
There are people who will benefit from this situation, not the taxpayer of course but corporate entities who can keep wages down as a result of mass immigration. They also have more consumers to provide services for (paid for by us). The same people can also afford to live well away from the social problems. It's a win win for them.
The question is, why do families come here with no job or place to live? Would you upsticks and take your family to a strange country whithiut a home or job. They MUST be aware that with a large family they will jump the housing queue in the UK and be given benefits otherwise they would stay where they are! The vast in majority of these people are in no danger in their own country, they come because they will be given a home and benefits!
No more council houses and no more long,inheritable tenancies either. Those who want subsidised housing must be told that they are dependent on the goodwill of the taxpayers who bhave to provide their own homes than contribute to those who take up public housing. No more council houses for anyone who has just immigrated; in fact no council houses at all for those who have paid no taxes/NICs at any point in their lives. And no right of abode in a house that's too large for the person or persons inhabiting it. Move them out into something more suitable and use the lkarger places for those in desperate need. In my opinion council hpouses should never have been allowed to bevcome possessions for life and beyond; they should be a refuge for the really needy/desperate. Council tenants with cars, flat-screen Tvs, multiple children and all ther est are neither poor nor desperate; they're just lazy, feckless and parasitical.
Well if I was to go to other EU countries...with out job and money together with my family..I wouls be entitle to claim the benefits that that country have in place to help its natives... But I would be worried if I did not have a job, no money and have my family with me say in places like Africa or perharps India or may be Turkey or lets say China, we could also say the Caribbean countries..Yes !! I would have to be homeless definately...no help no notting... EU is one community in Europe..all the 27 member put money into a pot to help each other countries...that is why there is free movement !!!!! What do Britain benefits from NON EU COUNTRIES????? BURDEN..LARGE PAY OUT ON BENEFITS AND SOCIAL HOUSES IN LONDON ESPECIALY!!!! NO ONE TALK ABOUT THIS NIGHT MERE !!!!!! WHY ????? AFRIAD OF BEING BRAND RACIST...WHAT LAWS ARE THERE TO PROTECT BRITIS BREAD AND BORN ????
I have a sister with three children 2 boys and 1 daughter and has been living in a 2 bedroomed flat for 10 years with my sister sleeping on the living room floor. (her eldest son has special needs and needs his own room) She has been told that she hasn`t much chance of being offered anything bigger as there isn`t anything to offer her. dee, bucks, 30/8/2010 0:19 No offence, but if your sister has been in that position for over 10 years, why has she not tried to sort herself out with a good job? Any help from a partner/children's father? The majority of people who are angry at this scenario are the ones who are desperate for council homes too. And lets face it, British or non British you are in the same position - claiming benefits and trying to get council houses.
When we came to Spain we didn't expect to get any form of benefits or housing even if we had we wouldn't have got anything. Is this the reason we don't have all these eastern european immigrants here ? Wise up Britain the EU isn't forcing us to take them and i'm damned sure they're not forcing you, I would suggest however that you can lay this policy at the labour party's door. DAVE GET A GRIP !
We have got to pass our own law to say that migrants to this country are not allowed to claim benefits for at least 2 years. France are doing something about this outrage so should we.
Oh Please - lets just set our expectations a little higher here. Why are British people even trying to compete for awful Council houses - who on earth in their right mind really wants one - Do what I did and what many other families do, and stay at home or with other relatives for a set period of time, buy absolutely nothing and I mean NOTHING for 3-5 years - no trips to the pub, no new clothes, no holidays, focus on the goal. My husband and I did all that and wore the same 6-7 outfits for 2 years, it hurt a lot , but we saved the deposit to buy our first house. Do 2-3 jobs if you have to. Have some respect - stop expecting things to be given to you. Start small or somewhere cheaper even if it means you have to be creative about commuting. I know people who commute 2 hours each way to work to get a house in the beautiful countryside with good schools. Please think outside this awful cradle to grave benefits life. Council houses should be temporary & for the destitute or infirm.
Its not the systems fault, its the government that shouldve put a control on how many people they let in. And yet they still open the flood gates to many more when they are up to the brim of people with no homes or jobs. Too late now.
I didn't realise there were any council houses left, I though Margaret Thatcher had sold them all
And they wonder why we are sick and tired of people telling us we need MORE immigrants. PLEASE LISTEN to the citizens of this country for once. We are heading for major civil unrest if this continues to go on. Our already large population is not being looked after, and they will turn on the people who permit us to be treated in this way.
Yes and as per usual, if a soldier leaving the forces, after serving abroad for years, wishes to get on the waiting list, he is told he is not entitled as he left the country of his own accord. You can't make this up. If EU migrants enter the UK they should be given 3 months to find and prove they have work. The local councils should prove this beyond doubt to stop the scams of which the Eastern Europeans are renouned for. If not they should to be sent back to their country of origin and then banned from re-entry until they have work and housing lined up and once again 100% confirmed by the authorities. This is not racist - It is common sence. Homeless and workless EU migrants are straining this economy. Of course their own governments are languishing in the knowledge that the UK is footing the bill. Brussels knew that there would be an influx of economic migrants to socially sound countries but does nothing the stop it. Neither does the UK Border Agency.
Well at least they have finally admitted to something that EVERYONE ELSE has known for years. Maybe one day they will come clean and agree that most of these people have no valid right to Asylum and are nothing more than economic scroungers. Then they may have a revelation as to why law-abiding, hard working people like myself are turning to the BNP and/or UKIP. We are seeing moves to end the right to council housing for life. How long will it be before home-owners are forced by Law to sell their homes under the guise of "its too big for you now" and forced to move into the social/private dog kennels currently being thrown up around the country that are called "houses"? Or worse, maybe we will be forced to rent out our spare rooms to these unwanted characters? Looks like the Revolution is still coming folks.
But Zanu Lie-bore swore blind this didn't happen, do you reckon they were lying? Can't believe it! LOL.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years!
if the government and these do goody too shoes councils think this is ok I have a message for you (IT BLOODY WELL IS NOT) IF FAMILIES COME FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY THEN NO MATTER HOW MANY POINTS THEY ACCRUE THEY SHOULD BE BOTTOM OF THE PILE NOT TOP
When are the government going to listen to us? EU nationals should work and contribute for a year before they are entitled to any assistance, then only the same as their native country....... Non EU nationals, we should only offer the equivalent of their homeland......or a space in a dormitory with food (not cash) provided. Other assistance can be provided by charities...... We seem to be punching above our weight assisting with worldwide disasters, at some stage we have to look after our own
At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here. - Geoff, EU, 30/8/2010 3:59 Seeing as the family featured in the article are gypsies on job seekers allowance that puts paid to your theory doesn't it? As for the rest of the whingers on here, guess what, this is YOUR fault. YOU voted for this. There is only one party that will put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. Think very carefully. If you think this is bad you haven't seen anything yet. There are millions, not thousands, millions of Turks with their bags packed waiting for the EU green light to invade our country. This may come as a shock to you, but whining on the DM website day in day out will get you absolutely nowhere. If you're serious about stopping this once and for all, do as I did and vote appropriately in the ballot box.
It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! What's that about? They are all over my community & have no respect for their neighbours or the council rules. They persistently cause a nuisance, when they move in, suddenly their entire family start turning up with suitcases, living in 2 bedroom flats, I know this, as every time one arrives they go out in the street & have a party & keep the neighbourhood awake till the early hours of the morning, they let their young kids run riot on their own after midnight. I asked one of them if they were on holiday, & they said no, they'd come over from Sao Paulo to get a place to live. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! What's going on with the Immigration people? The Floodgates seem to be open to other countries. We wouldn't get the same allowances in their countries that's for sure.
In 1965, Hammersmith Borough Council told my mother she didn't have a hope in hell of being re-housed as they had too many immigrants from India, Pakistan, Africa and the West Indies all needing council homes. This was in spite of being on the waiting list from 1952. We had one cold water tap, no bathroom, and any electrical appliance had to be fitted into w two switch from the light-socket where possible.. Consequently, over the years my parents divorced and my family scattered all across the UK through not being able to afford to live in the area we grew up in. And politicians tell us that this doesn't happen. My family is one of many. Our country has betrayed us over and over again in favour of immigrants. Is it any wonder the BNP look promising to us?
why are we instantly giving homes to foreigners wherever they come from. No wonder life is better here when they are getting jobseekers allowance, child benefit for each of their children, rent and council paid for, free prescriptions and eye tests and education. No matter how compassionate this country is to others in the world our little country is not a welfare state for the world.
I fainted, almost, when I read: 'Thousands of Eastern European citizens are given council houses every year'. Such a disgrace, indeed sickening. For goodness sake Council Homes were never built to house foreign families!!
We do not get a reciprocal agreement in the countries they come from. Why should we give them houses and benefits when they give us nothing if we go to their countries. We are overcrowded. The only people who want this one sided arrangement are the people who are making money out of them.
How long before we are told this is an “unlawful” policy being indirect discrimination? About as long as people take to forget the headline.
This sort of talk was illegal and blotted out by the Media when the BNP mentioned it , now all of a sudden we can all talk about it , hippocracy.!!! Democracy is slowly being removed from this country.
LISTENING TO HELENA HORVATOVA, she obviously thinks we are all on her level of mentality, and will be totally swayed by the fact that her husband was a cleaner in Poland, and there is not a vacancy [in their area]!!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT RUBBISH.- the highly specialised art of cleaning, I understand only allows just a few applicants a year, maybe??
I lived in the UK for 13 years, always working, from little part-time jobs to full-time vacancies. Always paid tax. I left in 2003. But if I moved back tomorrow I would not expect to get instant cash for housing, benefits or receive free medical care. Only because I once worked there. Where is that supposed to come from?
I am a teacher and my husband works in a factory. Despite both of us working our socks off there is no way we could afford to buy a home in our area - the area we both grew up in and where our families are. We didn't even bother to apply for social housing - what would be the point? So we're stuck renting and will probably never get a foot on the housing ladder. I am not a racist but I am beginning to feel like one when I see these stories and my blood boils at the injustice of it all. How can this be happening? Where is the corresponding parity in other EU countries - surely if it'd be a human rights violation for us to deny these people access to our benefits and social housing they should be able to claim this from their own country of origin? I am so bitter about this. We are emigrating, leaving our family, friends and home behind to join my brother in New Zealand as soon as we can, just so we can have a chance - and will expect to support ourselves when we do!
Please, please remember our own Queen signed the Lisbon treaty! She has been around and in charge longer than any single politician or political party. She has signed 6 treaties which were illegal. 1. The European Communities Act 1972. 2. The Single European Act, 1986. 3. The Maastricht Treaty, 1992. 4. The Amsterdam Treaty, 1997. 5. The Nice Treaty 2001. 6. The Lisbon Treaty 2008. (Formerly the Reform Treaty) Together with Churchill, King George VI saved our nation; he was a Monarch to be proud of. But his daughter the Queen is the only monarch to have broken all her coronation oaths, by signing these six treaties that abolish our common law, the British Constitution, the British and English nations, and our sovereignty. She has also committed treason, together with co-signatories Ted Heath, Margaret Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
Enough is enough - some British are not jumping the queue they have been pushed to the bottom of the queue because of the migrants. But I will believe this when it happens, with the P C brigade and Human Rights lawyers it may be we need to change the law if the government is brave enough to do it.
We should have a system of British homes for British people, like we should have British jobs for British people first. We need to get our country back into being British instead of this mongrel state of "multi-cultural". This country has a system of foreigners first and screw the natives, now that is wrong! Maybe we should adopt more draconian systems for these things and say that "you need to have had a permanent residence for a minimum of 5 years before you cna be considered for social housing", "no more than 2 kids for immigrants", if you cant pay your way to buy a house and support your family for 2 years then you aint coming in" etc etc.
This family sicken me .They cant afford to keep 6 children in their own country so lets go to england have another.We will get a house and all the other gifts that go with it.When are we going to get a goverment that is going to do what the voters wont.By the time this goverment get a grip it will be far to later.We have already run out of time.Do the same as the france are doing.Put them all on a plan and fly them back to the country that they left.France are not given two hoots what the eu say,they are cleaning up unwanted guests good on them.I live in Germany but still pay uk tax but cant return to the uk because no housing available in the town that my family have lived all their lives.
All of you that have left a comment on here re the above MUST send a letter/email to your local MP or Parliament to complain about this blatant discimination of British Nationals..........their details are on the web. If we keep quiet, this will be allowed to continue.....it's UNFAIR and UNBRITISH....and we have had enough!! It is allowed to continue because we sit back, moan but do NOTHING.
I came here 10 years ago before all this unrestricted travelling between EU countries, had to prove that I could speak basic English, had a job to go to and could provide for myself. I am renting privately and not once have i claimed any benefits, even when I was out of work for 3 months and it makes me angry that people come here and are allowed to reek in all the benefits and housing pretty much straight away. People that contributed to this country by paying their taxes the most should be made priority for social housing. That way homes go to the ones that deserve them most and not the scroungers, britsh or foreign!
Maybe the MOS could get Trevor Phillips to give his views in an answer and question session that might include the very man he is hounding to death - Nick Griffin MEP!
My landlord decided to sell up and gave me notice. The council told me I'd have to be physically on the street before I could get a council place, yet people come from other countries and are given council houses. Something isn't right here. If I go to another town, I'll be told I can't get a council place because I don't have a "local connection", so how do people from overseas get a place - they don't have a local connection.
The problem is these migrants are classed as homeless so jump the queue. Our citizens who have been on the queue for years usually have a friend or relative to put them up so are not homeless. If migrants don't have a sponsor or accommodation when they arrive on our shores they should be denied social housing.
Many years ago in the UK, if you became unable to support yourself you were sent back to your parish or origin, so they could pay for your upkeep. It was called 'Removal Orders' as it was considered unfair for people who had no connexion to you to have to support you. It was part the poor law resettlement act of 1662.
"Expatriate , Hamburg" forgive me if I contradict your statement as I think it should be "the only country in the world to treat its native-born citizens as dirt ." How long will you tolerate this ? Where would anyone be given a house and job-seekers allowance days after arriving in a country ? People here just do not believe me when I try to tell them ridiculous stories like this .
How come they are getting them? As I keep saying, behind every idiotic PC decision in local government, lies a lefty loony, making themselves feel happy about themselves at your expense.
As a serving soldier i know when i leave the Army next year i will be placed at the very bottom of any housing list, i also know that i will not be entitled to half the benefits these foreigners get. I fully realise that i get a pension (£450 a month) but then again, i did pay all my taxes, national insurance, served my country for 20 odd years, fought 3 conflicts, sustained injuries that will effect me for the rest of my life, but hey, as long as the immigrants are happy why should i complain! Kind of makes the past 20 years of my life somewhat pointless.
I agree with all the comment about why should those who have never contributed swan in and get council houses, why should those who come from outside UK jump to from of the queue. However many are sheer hypocrisy! Today many, many British people are struggling under the burden of housing costs. Often these people look with envy at those who have the ease and security and lower rent of council property. Whereas there may once have been a stigma attached to council housing today this has gone - in the private sector many are terrified they will lose their house and what then! Countless 'indigenous' UK residents have never really 'contributed' , made minimal contribution, or are evoking emotive images of past ancestors contributions. Solve this problem - make council housing temporary for 1 to 2 years for those most in need. No child benefit for more than 2 kids. End benefit tourism in EU - no right of settlement to those who cannot support themselves.
3 bedrooms is quite enough. one for the parents, one for the boys and one for the girls. here in Israel it is quite normal to only have a 3 bedroom house or apartment. many religious people have large families with 8, 9 or even more children and manage very well with only 3 bedrooms. these people should count themselves lucky that they have a council house in the first place when they've in the UK for such a short time.
Haha life is so easy in England!
And we wonder why the EDL exist! This is what is causing racial unrest in the UK! For me the biggest insult is being called a racist when you voice your concern of the immigration policy! And yes, I live and work in Spain. I can assure you if I didn't work, I wouldn't be getting any handouts here and I certainly wouldn't be able (or expect) to jump the queue in front of Spanish Nationals.
I work for a private landlord in the Manchester area, over the last few years we have seen an influx of foreigners into the area wanting to rent homes. The majority of them being Africans never stay for the duration of the tennancy agreement because they are offered council houses within weeks. I know of several families who are living in severely overcrowded conditions who have been told they have no chance of being given a bigger council house yet they have to sit back and watch the houses being given away to people who have just arrived in the country and were already living in suitable homes.
If the average Briton waits over six years for a council house, how come immigrants are getting them almost immediately Stephen, Vancouver, Canada., 30/8/2010 Very simple Stephen, they send a family member to Uk. He moves into a bed sit. The rest of the family then move in with him and he and the property is overcrowded. They cannot be sent back as they are part of the EU, and the housing rules say that overcrowding is a top of the list jump. Once they are in social housing they are there to stay. It is called British Stupidity.For a cure call Mr Sarcozy, in France.
Good job Edward Meakins was allowed to stay in his home, especially after reading this article. Use your vote wisely when we next get the opportunity!!!
Should no longer be called Great Britain , it should now be called The United States of Europe ,whats the point , its not for British people any more !!!!!!!!
TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. The majority of the British public voted for the 3 main parties last June. They knew perfectly well the policy of each was NOT to curb mass immigration or the human rights act or take on the left wing EU Commission. I am in a minority it would seem, judging by the votes cast. I don't like the way this country is going but have to accept the majority rule, it's called democracy. PS, I did not vote BNP either.
God save us. The EU has turned our beautiful little island into a ghetto. What's the worst bit is that we are paying for it ourselves. The politicians have led us sleepwalking into a nightmare it is difficult to see us coming out of.
If these people have no job to come to then they should not be allowed in, and there should definitely be a qualifying period of say 12 months before benefits of any sort, including housing, are granted. We are far too soft and all the world knows it, otherwise they would not come here. If people without jobs are allowed in they should be able to prove that they have enough money to see them through for 12 months, including housing, so that they will not be a drain on this country.
There is nothing great about a coucil flat, we live in one. Most of the people round here are the salt of the earth working class, but about 20% are chavs, we have had our cat shot with and air rifle, car radio stolen (twice) and been burgled. On an estate a few miles away, there were 6 stabbings and two murders last year. Can't wait till cashflow is better, then we are off, back to private. Can't wait.
I have a terminal illness it took my 13 years to get a home ,the place i got is part of a multi-million pound development in London ,I'm the only British born resident while i know of older resident's living in old pre-war housing while foreigners live in luxury .
I had to wait two and a half years for a council flat in a not so nice area after I got married. I think it is disgusting that we hand out homes to people who come here and havent contributed anything. Its the same with benefits, if you havent worked so many years and contributed your national insurance contributions in full, you only get a part pension. Why then are we dishing out money willy nilly to people who come into this country who havent done anything for this country and its economy. We are soft in the head and in the next few years, there wont be any money left in the pot because the people who dont work will outstrip the ones who do. We need to do something now about it, if we cant rehome our own, then we shouldnt rehome anyone else.
"Far easier to discriminate against the british national, no-one will fight their corner for them". - Fedup Taxpayer, UK, 30/8/2010 0:18 Not quite correct - one party will - you all know which one. But they can't be expected to do it unless you vote for them in large numbers.
We have a scheme in lewisham london called lewisham home search to help people move, but our undemocratic directly elected mayor and the inner cabinet change the scheme what goes against what the scheme was originally set up for. It will now favour immigrants who are homeless instead of helping the british familes in over crowded housing to move. They changed the criteria of the scheme how people are judged to their priority. Before people could reject properties but now its one choice and if its refused you go to the bottom of the scheme priority. This is labour controlled council all over, slap down the british families in need in favour of immigrants.
All of the 3 "main" political parties have, and will continue to, betray the British people but when it comes to election time we continue to vote them into power to carry on with their traitorous acts. Will we ever learn and vote for anyone but them to see if we can find a patriotic government that puts the British people first?
Odysseus G Osborne: "I was replaced by immigrants in my job in 1996, 2001 and then in 2008. I finally moved countries. ". Where presumably you're depriving a native of a job. Funny that so many here never have a problem with immigration if they're the immigrant.
Keep on writing to your MP, to the government minister - keep on making a nuisance of yourselves . Get organised - hold marches whatever it takes.
Outrageous,but not surprising.It really is about time we behaved like France and put our own people first.
This sort of rubbish leaves me speechless. Sack the people responsible and start the process of "charity starts at home" If I went to Czech Republic without a job and knocked on the Social Services door, would I get money and a house ---- I don't think so.
We are constantly being told by pro-immigration advocates that it is necessary to fill jobs, yet examples like this are endless where the head of a large family is unemployed and they are costing a fortune to keep. Crazy!
oh please!! your preaching to the choir here,,, i live in Hackney, this as been goin on for years.....i know friends that have been on the housing list for decades and are still waiting...I've already been told,being single fit and mid age...i have no chance...i was told it would be easier if i were a single mother,homeless immigrant, immigrant family or very unhealthy. when i bid for a place every week here in hackney. i'm always in the top five to begin with, the next time i check on the bidding. I've slipped down to 75 or 125 on the list.. i have no chance because, i'm single and fit for my age...
About time they made it the same as the Isle of Man or something similar in other countries. I believe there, you have got to be a permanent resident on the island for 5 years before your even considered for a Council house although their Benefits system is based on the same as ours.
Is there any doubt why far right groups are growing, I hope the grow until we have major political change in Britain, twelve years of Labour have destroyed the country.
"The 27-year-old (Helena Horvatová) was allocated the property by Peterborough council in March, days after the family (SEVEN children)arrived from the Czech Republic. Her 29-year-old husband does not work." So, the house is paid for by the UK taxpayer, add on the various benefits this famly is ENTITLED to, and then tell me in what way they are an asset to the UK. He came here with no job to go to, so they are economic migrants pure and simple. In this world there are an infinite number of families just like this one. When will the new government get a grip on this insanity??
they should not be allowed to have these. If they come here they not only need to look after themselves but rent private and pay for it themselves.
Only 4,000????......Was that the National figure or the figure for 1 medium sized town??
It's a joke, a family arrive from another country and are given a house, this is totally unfair, whilst free movement is possible between E.U countries surely you should be able to fund the move and support yourself, when you arrive. This does note bode well for integration and will eventually cause a violent reaction!
Lets get this right and tie it right down as a fault of the system is underplaying it! It is a deliberate fault of the ousted Labour government with left wing views and town councils.
Why are British politicians failing to work for the interests of British people? This is a disgrace and it has to stop. These non-working families with numerous kids need to be deported immiediately because they contribute nothing and drain resources. If Sarkozy can remove Roma from France then Cameron can remove people like these from the UK. Come on Dave - Start working for Britain instead of just talking about it. If you want to cut costs this is where you need to start!
Finally!
They have no rights to social housing. As an EU resident they must prove they can financially support themselves. As I had to do in Cyprus with the Cypriot Authorities before I was allowed to stay, that included producing my band statements to show my income. You most certainly could not get "job seeker's allowance" or even access the NHS here. You are required to take out private health insurance and produce the certificate before permission to reside is given. Why is the UK alone in bucking the EU system?
Whilst our own folk are stuck on waiting lists for years on end.
"Councils will now be free to acknowledge ‘local connections’ in their policies." Well, that'll be a complete waste of time. Councils have has political correctness forced into them, that this new system will be completely ignored "just in case" there's a human rights challenge. More sound-bites, but no real action from Westminster.
I'm sure I've read stories of British families who have been refused council houses because they have, in the opinion of the local authority, made themselves homeless. If a family voluntarily leaves their own country to come to UK, without having first made arrangements for their accommodation, surely they, too, have made themselves homeless and so should also be refused council housing. I know that, if I wanted to bring my wife to UK from Thailand, I'd first have to prove to the UK Border Agency that I could support her financially AND that I could provide good accommodation for her. If I couldn't guarantee that, she would not be allowed entry into the country.
Liebour always denied this was happening and would never give us the correct figures. At the same time as they did this Nationalist organisations took advantage of the facts every one of us could see with our eyes day in day out. And in the areas hardest hit by long waiting list UK citizens would be left feeling resentment to those from other countries housed while they waited longer and longer. But the really cynical part about what Liebour was doing was that they engineered this influx to gain votes estimating that those they let in came from backgrounds sympathic to political views. But the worse part of the housing issue is yet to be told. How much is paid out in Housing Benefit to people from foriegn lands. Because the amount of private housing rented out to forign nationals is also something anyone with eyes can see is becoming one sided in some areas.
The boxed example of the Czech family says everything that is wrong with the system.... they came to Britain and he hasn't got a job. Simple... unless fleeing tyranny, suppression and death.. you can only come to Britain if you have a job to go to... even from the eu! The eu worker movement legislation was not about giving up your job in one country just to go and sit and wait for government support in another!!!!
Why are we NOT surprised?
The citizens advice bureau states, " In practice, even if you come from one of these countries, you won't automatically get benefits. For example, if youÂ’re an EEA jobseeker who has never worked in the UK, you won't be able to claim benefits like Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit or Council Tax Benefit. But if you're an EEA worker who has been employed in the UK before becoming unemployed, you might be able to claim benefits whilst youÂ’re looking for new work. This depends on which EEA country you're from and how long you've worked in the UK." so how are they allowed to claim benefits when they have not contributed anything into the system, also as they have made there self homeless why are they getting priority, these EU rules need changing so that if any EU citizen has not been employed for more than 12 months they should be returned to there ordinary EU country.
Try going to Poland and demanding social housing! In fact just try going anywhere in the EU and demand free money,free medical treatment and free housing and just see where it gets you, the ONLY thing you will get is a one way flight back home. Only in the UK are the authorities weak and gullible enough to kick native British people down the list and give away housing and benefits to foreigners who have never contributed a penny into the system. The betrayal of the British people by those in positions of trust and authority is a national scandal. But instead of protests and withholding taxes we just accept it, we in fact deserve everything the establishment serve up!
Cameron's solution; You can't buy your council house! The man hasn't got the guts to do anything about the immigration problem, so he makes the little people, shoulder the burden of living with this unfairness!!!
Sorry, But I cant help but be gutted right now, I am 31, I saved extremley hard for my wedding this year ( no going out, no new clothes) And I did not want to start married life in debt. But!!!!!!!!!! When will we ever get on the housing market??!?!? It wont happen for us anytime soon....priced out of our own home town. I have to save over £30.000 deposit to be near my mum!! If I ever get the chance to have a child, I want to be near my mum. Sorry, but its true. And before the bashing starts about house prices.........No she is not middle class, My parents worked hard for what they have! Seems to me that, I get bashed for not having a child earlier, I get in trouble for wanting to live in the south east (my own home town) I get bashed for having parents who own thier own business and worked hard. My Fiancee is Australian, I have the feeling that we would have a better life there.....This sadly is the future of Britan. God bless you Uk, you were loved once. xxx
If the average Briton waits over six years for a council house, how come immigrants are getting them almost immediately.
Stand by: wait until Turkey is allowed into the European Union.
Disgusting, shameful, hiddious, cheek...... Of only possible in GREAT BRITAIN....... Because of the complete deficite in inteligence of the academic, social, political elite and establishment. The whole country is rotten to its very core. GREAT BRITAIN => The only country in the world to go out of its way to treat its citizens as dirt. Keep the day job up !
Try going to Poland and demanding social housing! In fact just try going anywhere in the EU and demand free money,free medical treatment and free housing and just see where it gets you, the ONLY thing you will get is a one way flight back home. Only in the UK are the authorities weak and gullible enough to kick native British people down the list and give away housing and benefits to foreigners who have never contributed a penny into the system. The betrayal of the British people by those in positions of trust and authority is a national scandal. But instead of protests and withholding taxes we just accept it, we in fact deserve everything the establishment serve up!
WHY are MPs not listening to the concerns of the electorate? WHY are the British being pushed to the back of every queue?
Putting aside the fact that they already had 6 children they still felt the need to have a 7th child in what is already an over crowded house, They have a free roof over their heads and financial support (I process benefits and with 7 children and 2 adults you are looking at a minimum of £600 a week in JSA Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit). If the price for that along with free health care and schooling is being a bit squashed then it's a small price to pay. When I was growing up I had to share a bedroom with my brother and sister and we all had to travel to our secondary school which was 5 miles away in Dover and not at anytime did we feel hard done by,
It is cases like that of the Horvatova family that infuriate the hard working, truly British people who cannot benefit from social housing allocations because they are too far down the waiting lists.
Absolute disgrace
No wonder that they're flocking to the UK in droves. How sick for the locals especially those who have paid taxes all their lives and haven't got a home
This could only happen in the UK, you must all be nuts to allow it. Quick question, why do you allow it?
You're sunk!
I did plumbing maintenance in housing association homes before I emigrated 3 years ago.Worked in alot of homes I could never afford that were occupied by families of imigrants that all stayed at home all day.Know im an imigrant over here,but I pay my own way.Had enough in the end,if you speak out,your just a racist,never mind that you work hard and pay taxes.Couldn't hack it in england anymore,much happier over here,theres oppotunity for people that work hard,not two fingers from politicians that youv'e elected.
You're sunk!
Frankly while I am not surprised at the news item - I am utterly disgusted by it. While accepting that "‘Most of these lettings are likely to be to long-standing residents of the UK who have kept their foreign nationalities.’ may well apply to the majority of instances it beggars belief that even a small number of foreign nationals can apply.
You're sunk unless you take back your country. I miss it but I'm relieved that I emigrated.
This makes me sick, I was made homeless at 8 months pregnant with my 1st child Because the private flat I rented was sold. I couldn't qualify for any housing with my council because I didn't have enough points!! At the time I needed help from our system I was shunned. I worked full time and paid taxes since I was 17 for nearly ten years. My parents have both worked full time for over 40 years.
You're sunk unless you take back your country. I miss it but I'm relieved that I emigrated.
An absolute shambles. My niece and boyfriend who works his guts out to provide for their child cannot get a look in, they've been on the housing list for five years now and they've been told they'll have to wait another two years and wait for it, at least.
I know this story to be true as my daughter had experience of this nature some while ago. She has three children and a husband from whom she has since divorced. They were living in a rented house when the owner decided he wanted to sell. He went to the court and obtained a conviction order. My daughter went to the local authority who were quite open in admitting that homeless people from abroad have priority. She was told to come back on the morning of the conviction and she may be offered emergency accommodation. Her children may have to go into care. A prime example that being British and born in this country can be a distinct disadvantage
Good! At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here.
Why are the Horvatovas allowed to live in Britain, receive a council house and collect jobseekers allowance if he does not have a job?
You can't say that its obviously a deliberate policy of socialist supporting beauracrats in local government. A policy decided like so many department by department.
So in the average UK parliamentary constituency seven houses last year went to people from new-EC countries. Why is this news?
Just another kick in the teeth for being born British.
I was replaced by immigrants in my job in 1996, 2001 and then in 2008. I finally moved countries. People here too have been made redundant and their jobs outsourced twice or three times also. Everyone deserves as job and deserves a home. Why it has to be my job and my home I don't know...
Access to welfare benefits should only be available to people who have contributed to levels consistent with the sum they wish to claim. A bit like insurance really. Subscribe 10 pounds a week, eg. benefits claimable 15 pounds per week.Subscribe 20 pounds a week claim 30, etc. Payments in the form of NationaL Insurance payments and voluntary payments increments to insure against low benefits. There being a set maximum period / sum claimable. then government do gooders take over.and farm the kids out. This would help people judge whether to have more kids etc as they may not be able to afford them and so the kids would be taken into care and fostered out. And the tax payer would not be paying out cash to lazy scroungers.
How did they get a house in days?? I used to have a council flat when younger and I waited a full 10 months (plus the time on the list prior to that, whilst in adolescent care) as officially registered involuntarily homeless, and as a disabled 17 year old with no family, which was supposed to get me priority, and did as far as I know. Ive never known anyone get a house in days, family or not, and I've met many homeless people during time in emergency hostel accommodation.
It is d e p r e s s i n g . . . what else is there to say?
On the other page there is an article telling us that taxes will never go down nor will the cost of housing if you can find any, plus the government is bringing in a raft of new taxes to get you every time you breath. There's no real law & order anymore & the roads are always congested. We all know that it will never get better before we get old so it's really best to get out if you can everybody else is. It would be nice to see the Labour cabinet leaders brought to trial for humanity crimes against the nation & other nations, it would go some way to heal the wounds, restore some dignity & belief in politicians.
Introduce a 5yr qualifying period for taxable income and it will solve many problems..
I thought that if people from the new EU countries did not have a job to come to they would not be alllowed in.Why are they getting paid benefits as soon as they arrive? What good is a school cleaner from the Czech Republic,how is he contributing towards our society when he cannot get a job and bringing a large family over to claim all our benefits.This is sooooo wrong and surely is unsustainable. We are broke,how can we afford to keep all these.people?
Shouldn't those homes by right go towards the vulnerable indigenous population such as homeless people? We have more than enough English people who need help and aid from our Council/Government we don't need people from other Countries coming over and adding to the problem.
Of course... it has been happening for years. The British people have been abandoned by local and national government!
We should be looking after our own first in any case.... foreigners coming over here should should be made to have a contract for work and proof that they have either bought or proof of a house/flat rental agreement before they are even allowed into the Country.
New Labour's nightmare continues,
Does anyone seriously believe this problem will be solved. Cannot imagine what will happen when Turkey comes into play.
And THIS is supposed to surprise me? When all the British have been housed THEN and ONLY then should they be given a house. When they come into the country if they don't have a job or a home to come to they shouldn't be allowed in.
We have been being played for fools
My Great Great Grandfather fought for this country my Grandfather fought for this country, my Father fought for this country, & I fought for this country. I cant get a council house for me and my family and Im on a war pension. Im so happy we can accomadate them I hope they are settled in nicely and making it nicer with argos goods every fortnite. Cough cough!
So thats why the old feller was being turfed out of his home .
Housing minister Grant Shapps said: ‘It causes a great deal of concern and is very problematic for social cohesion...... Getting a bit nervous are we?
How shameful of the British government to put foreigners before people who have been waiting years for housing. Remember this when it comes to voting time. The government has betrayed all of us. Those waiting for housing, those on NHS waiting lists, schools who have to waste money on newcomers. BNP now have my vote for sure.
Another example of how Britian has been systematicallt destroyed. Could you imagine what would happen if someone with a UK passport went to another EU country and asked to be housed? There might be a right for EU citizens to work, but not for them to be housed.
'..let British people jump the queue'...JUMP THE QUEUE - What the HELL does this twerp think he's on about. All any UK indigenous citizen WANTS - is to be TREATED FAIRLY - JUST FAIRLY - PROPERLY. NOT to see someone - who's not been in the country two minutes - be given priority for this, that, and everything else. British citizens - with ties to a local community - parents, grand-parents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters living locally, working locally - should HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE CONSIDERED FIRST - ABOVE ANYONE ELSE - for a council home in their own community. It has been a huge disaster for the local authorities changes in allocating council houses.
So it is true that councils have been LYING about recent immigrants not being given houses before the natives then. COME ON D.M., USE THE FREEDOM OF IMFORMATION ACT TO "NAME & SHAME" THESE LYING COUNCILS.
Perhaps the Councils should take the time to investigate just how many "council" homes are now rented out by the "official" occupier to others. Housing benefit earnt on one property by the "official" occupier and then also privately rented to another party - a double whammy - coming to your street soon. Broken Britain ? No, just Bent Britain.
Yeah right we do not believe you """Richard Capie"""policy director of the Chartered Institute of Housing, said: ‘It is likely that only a small proportion of these are new migrants.
my daughter has been on the social housing waiting list for three years,as usual british families are pushed to the back of the queue,one day we will have a goverment that will say enough is enough...Its about time we pulled out of European union it doesent work Mr Camoron
This is something that we can do nothing about. People from the EU have every right to come and live in our council homes. We all live in the EUSSR now. This will not end with the Tory government that you voted in. While we are in the EU, we cannot control who our resources are dolled out to - we cannot control our borders - we cannot control our finances. We will not be able to control these things until we leave the EU, and the LibLabCon does not want to EVER leave the EU. We will not be able to control these things until we have a national government that is not controlled by the LibLabCon. I recommend you vote UKIP from now on.
THE ENGLISH ARE LAUGHABLE....LOOK AT THE GOVERNMENT YOU JUST VOTED IN...YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO LET THE BNP SORT ALL OF THIS OUT FOR YOU, AND WHAT DID YOU DO....THANK GOD I MOVED TO FRANCE, SARKOZY LOOKS AFTER ME KNOW....THANK YOU
I can back this report up, at least in Richmond. We wanted a council house 14 years ago in fact we were desperate for one, and were told that asylum seekers had to be put at the top of the list. We had to separate for 4 years while I went away to look for work that could support the family because of the decision. We were also told that our names would take about 10 years to get to the top.
I read the news here every day,,, that ain't reallly news.. this has been going on for ages. news next week we be there all taking our jobs and ripping of the social.. this ain't news as well
at last someone is talking common sense. When a council house has become vacant in the area where I live it has always been passed over to non british families. This in turn has created a lot of resentment from the locals, myself included. I have a sister with three children 2 boys and 1 daughter and has been living in a 2 bedroomed flat for 10 years with my sister sleeping on the living room floor. (her eldest son has special needs and needs his own room) She has been told that she hasn`t much chance of being offered anything bigger as there isn`t anything to offer her. when a house became available around the corner from her she was told that the house had already been allocated. As the occupant had passed away 3 hours before I find that very unlikely as the council had not yet been notified of her death.
Now call me an old cynic but once the Human Rights Lawyers get their claws into this it will never happen. How can you possibly discriminate against people just because they are not british and have never paid into the system, especially if they have loads of kids, it won't happen. Far easier to discriminate against the british national, no-one will fight their corner for them.
The Labour legacy lives on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on..............................................................................................................
Utterly sickening! Disgusting and Disgraceful.
Oh goody , can I go over there and be given a nice house please? I think if I'm going to ask for a house here
I think the coalition government is going to try and do something about immigrant families jumping housing queues when they arrive here in the UK with several children. it's going to be tough, but it does seem very unfair that a limited commodity like social housing is taken up by newly arrived families when local kids can't even get onto the housing list and are forced to rent in the private sector.
Houses paid for by UK tax payers should be allocated to UK citizens first and any surplus can then go to non-UK citizens. We are not a charity to the rest of the World,
If this happened in their countries, just think how they would react! Why is it this trecherous Govnt/Council put foreigners before our own indigenous folk?????
How come if we go abroad we have to stand on our own two feet, yet every waif and stray can come and get a council house, no wonder the working classes feel disenchanted with councils. Why not ask your local authority or housing association how long the list is and then ask how much has to be kept free or empty for asylum seekers/illegals or EU nationals. PS bob yes illegals as they are still illegal waiting for deportation.
I hope all you working class Labour voters read this article, apart from giving the migrants your jobs they were also giving them the keys to the much needed council accomadation, that our British people so desperately need.
I am one of them.
Another thing to thank Labour for. Funny listening to the Labour leadership campaign, they don't seem to realize that no one else really cares who is the leader of that bunch of jackals. With the Coalition, slowly but surely we are getting our country back, maybe not as fast as we'd like, but at least its in the right direction.
The answer is simple, SHUT THE GATES, WE ARE FULL UP!!!
Council homes should be given to people who have contributed to the tax system and paid their taxes. Why should people who chose not to work and just depends on the state while other hard working people who pay taxes can not benefit. If people in council houses have a better income then they are working and paying their tazes and should not be kciked out of these homes.
you think things are bad now, just wait until Turkey joins the EU because anyone with an EU passport can come and apply for work and a council house too.
Just makes you sick,time too take our country back from the EU from either the ballot box if our EU loving politicians have the spine for it, well its what most of the British public want, or with force if necessary,it will all end in tears sooner than later we can only be pushed so far and its nearing tipping point be warned lib lab con parties , you are walking a tight line.
Yes, We are used to this now, but you cannot complain
The disturbing part of this article is that a couple with 7 kids can turn up with no means of support and can sign on for benefits. If they can't support themselves they should be sent straight back. Are we suckers or what !
Can Cameron really justify such gifts to foreign nationals when some Britons are actually homeless and living on our streets?
Dont blame the council or the government Blame the faceless Unelected Idiots in Brussels who live the lives unaffected by any of the mess they create for us ....
Disgraceful....but what's new....I'm lost for words...and they would be unprintable
We have known about this for years. My son has been on the housing list for 3 years and was told that the council can't even house the homeless because they had to keep some houses free for immigrants.
The Labour government let the British people down in favour of people who came into the UK and it looks like the Coalition are following the same path.
The Eastern Europeans get a welcome to Britain, with housing provided, health care, schools, generous benefits etc., whilst the indigenous population get their benefits withdrawn and will be thrown out of council housing to accommodate these foreigners under Cameron's plans.
I know of a family who have been in the UK 18 months and after 12 months they were sitting in a lovely 4 bedroomed council house in a nice area of Blackburn and they plan to buy the property in time, so don't tell me that immigrants and asylum seekers are not getting houses before the British people because the people who live in the areas know whats going on despite the Governments denials.
It makes me sick. It's about time this government grew some and sorted out the ridiculous situation with foreigners coming over here taking our houses and our jobs and getting paid for it by us taxpayers. And then the government wonder why there is so much resentment - they are the very people creating it all.
goodbye england....you did and still do nothing about it
WILL THEY BE TOLD TO MOVE OUT OF THEIR COUNCIL HOUSE AND MOVE TO ANOTHER AREA TO FIND WORK, I THINK NOT. WHY HAS A SO CALLED SCHOOL CLEANER BEEN ABLE TO MOVE INTO A COUNCIL HOUSE WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF ARRIVING IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THERE ARE LOCAL FAMILIES WHO HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ON A WAITING LIST FOR A LONG TIME.
Our own spineless politicians will sit on their hands and do nothing, terrified that the EU will issue their usual empty threats. For goodness sake grow a pair or step aside for a party that will defend our own people.
We should follow suite. Any unemployed immigrant should be thrown out. That should extend at least to all migrants who arrived under the last regime.
Henk Kamp for PM!
All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding. If that is true, what is all the fuss about?. We should concentrate on training the youth of Britain and stop all payments to those who will not work.
Mr Cameron take note. This is what the taxpayers want you to do with all the foreign benefit claimants. Time to get tough.
Too true we must do the same ,,,The Dutch are great .
mutal, uk, 05/7/2011 12:45>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be protesting alongside you!!!!!
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 Yes and when they and the original member states joined all these other countries were not part of it. And just remember that they are trying to add even more countries to the EU ???
This problem not withst.anding - surely the answer is to get out of the EU - a self serving Marxist organisation employing thousands of carpet baggers.
These rules need to be re assessed. To allow this system to be fair open borders should only be open to countries who have a similar status in terms of economic advancement. It is madness to allow people from less developed countries to come here and undercut our existing workforce and allow bosses to justify this by demonising the existing workforce by calling them lazy - actually it is the employers who are lazy by not wanting to train them. With millions of young people out of work this system is betraying our youth, as these are the jobs they should be doing - over time this will mean even more Brits on benefits when the so called lack of work ethic spreads across our population. Who in their right mind would emmigrate to a poorer country to look for work? As this is the justification for implementing this policy. Actually the only group this policy benefits long term are the corporations and the marxist elite. Now we have a housing crisis and are running out of space. Well done.
People keep blaming Brown for the current rise in our immigration figures. Yes, he is to blame, but only for the period he was in office. We have had left wing Tory PM Cameron in power over a year & still no change. I blame the voters who brought Cameron to power. Immigration is up, soft on crime, soft on the left wing EU!
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 21:16 ..........................................................The Dutch voted 62% against the EU constitution but this was ignored by the Dutch parliament and ratified anyway. It should also be mentioned that the French voted no by 55% but ratified anyway. The Irish initially voted no (to the Lisbon Treaty) but were then told to vote yes. Spain voted 77% yes, but are now nearly a basket case economy in Europe. The UK didn't get a vote because everyone knew what the result would be.
unlike this daft country where the locals come bottom of the list , the Dutch like most European countries put their own people first
If the Dutch do it then why don't we follow suit ,just to make sure that they go home rather than stop off in Britain.
So tell me, if several hundred thousand Dutch, English or Germans descended on Poland, Romania etc then would they quite happliy accept this without worry or comment and just as happily pay benefits, housing, healthcare, translation, education, police and court costs etc ???? - John Anderson, Cambridge England, John, there are no benefits in Poland. You have to work 2yrs full time first to be entitled to unemployed benefits and you only get them 6 months, no longer. The same should be in every EU country. Immigrants should work at least 2yrs full time and also speak the language of the country they live to be entitled to anything. There shouldn't be any leaflets, signs, information in other languages as this makes the immigrants lazy and not bothered to learn the language.
Capitalism doesn't seem to be working !
That's deplorable send those Poles over here, we are short of Eastern Euroland migrants. At least since Labour voted the Blair/Brown regime they are entitled to all benefits accrued by the English taxpayers. While there at it, how about the characters trying to get in from Calais. Surely since LibDems came to power this should have been sorted and all allowed in. Remember we are now Multicultural society.
This government could do with some Dutch courage.
I don't see the problem. EU citizens have the right to work here, not come here and claim benefits. Unless they've been working here for over 3 months. Even then applying for benefits might affect their residence permit (to weed out people who work for 3 months and then stay on benefits endlessy). The benefit system is a safety net not a lifestyle. Immigrants who've worked here for many years needen't worry. They paid for it and have every right to use it when necessary. But in the end; it should be regarded as a temporary solution for those involved.
To those red arrowing my explanation, I am trying to explain why the three months may no longer apply. Recall when Sarkozy tried to remove non-working Roma? In order to implement the three month rule, you have to discriminate against non-citizens, and that is discriminatory! Britain as usual, complies fully with EU diktat, and has now removed the requirement for EU workers to register under the Workers Registration Scheme, and for them to have to wait to collect the same benefits that someone who is a citizen here is entitled to. I would guess that this is what the Netherlands is trying to resist having to do.
Can we employ him to sort out our similar problems in the UK ? He would probably be cheaper to employ than the INEPT lot that we have at the moment ! YouTube ... RevPen-02. aka The Revolting Pensioner !
They can come to Britain. labour idiot Gordon signed us up with no delay and we will never put an end to it. Its so crystal clear we will be better off OUT of EU then in it. I can't see any justification for being in EU. We can farm, fish, manufacture, give government contracts to out own people, no need to pay EU their billions, no need to have EU people coming into UK for benefits and jobs, more say in the world, no pressure of having to bail out the useless Euro, keep our laws, our own human rights, etc, Please,..if there is a just cause for Britain to take to the streets, its to march in unity to pressure the government to GET OUT OF EU.
Susan, Breda, Netherlands, 5/7/2011 11:25 Susan. You have worked in the NL for years. When you come back to the UK, unless you have made voluntary UK NI payments, you will not be entiled to any benefits in the UK. The problem with the EU project is it's not a level playing field. It's like a game of football were each team has different rules, and size of goal posts, and only the managers, and organizers make the financial profit, but the spectators watching are getting fed up. as the see that some teams are being disadvantaged. Would you pay to watch this football match??, and how would you feel if you were forced to contribute. Fine if your on the winning team.
...when Scotland gains independance and becomes an seperate country they can have all their out of work countrymen and women back as well. that should provide enough spare cash to put into the health system right and give the pensioners a rise. - jb, Swindon, 05/7/2011 11:31 ...and we should in return kick out all the English students studying cheaply at Scottish universities
So tell me, if several hundred thousand Dutch, English or Germans descended on Poland, Romania etc then would they quite happliy accept this without worry or comment and just as happily pay benefits, housing, healthcare, translation, education, police and court costs etc ????
>>>> Well the Dutch did give the world Apartheid. - Gill, Derby, 05/7/2011 11:28 <<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And there was I thinking it was an Afrikaans word...
Actually, Kamp's proposal means that if you come to Holland/The Netherlands to work, you have three months to find a job. If you don't succeed you have to leave the country. Labor immigrants who lose their job within a year, can't find a new job within six months and aren't self-sufficient in funding have to leave as well. Which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
The EU ...wonderful...just wonderful.
A day's shopping and eating out in London or any EU city will soon show how many Eastern Europeans are taking jobs in the EU. The thing is that these folk want to work and will work hard for a pittance whereas our (original European) young people want loads of money for doing simple jobs. No surprise that the Eastern Europeans do not take long to understand the highly generous EU benefits systems and when out of work expect to be financially supported by the State. We in the original Europe have become soft and stupid whereas our new Eastern European brothers and sisters are hard-nosed and cunning as they have had to be to survive in their countries. The same applies to immigrants from other harder economies. Still, the wake up call is no bad thing and we do need a kick up the backside to realise that we can no longer expect the cosy comfort of old Europe.
Problem can be solved in one simple move: NO BENEFITS UNLESS YOU HAVE PAID INTO THE COUNTRY FOR THREE YEARS This would stop all this nonsense straight away. If they have a job then OK if not why should us taxpayers pay for them to move here just to claim our benefits??? - Bruce, UK, 5/7/2011 11:27 Agree with you and I am Pole, working hard since I came here. Any benefits should be after at least 3 yrs continuous work with no breaks and full time.
PolandÂ’s European affairs minister Mikolaj Dowgielewicz, instead of having "robust talks" with countries who fail to see why they should pay for Polands unemployed, should tell his fellow ministers to raise Polands state benefits to the same level as countries such as Britain and Holland. Why should the Eastern Europeans constantly take from the Western Europe.
"Meanwhile live in Scotland and its free care for the elderly, live elsewhere in the UK and they steal your house to pay for care". - High Treason, Bournemouth., 5/7/2011 Not any longer I'm afraid - the only aspect of care that has ever been free in Scotland is personal care i.e. help with bathing etc. It has just been announced yesterday that this is going to end as it is costing too much money. My late father was in a nursing home for 2 years prior to his death and the funding the council provided was topped up with his state and 2 small occupational pensions. He was given a small amount of pocket money back for things like haircutting and toiletries. I'm afraid the whole free care for all in Scotland is a myth peddled by the English press, same with the availability of cancer drugs. I don't meant that as rude to the English because I'm married to a Londoner and lived in the S East for 20 years. I've also had cancer so know of the drug situation first hand.
EU rules need to be overhauled. They were established before benefits tourism was an issue. I think that benefits for non-nationals should only be given on a proportional basis to weeks worked and taxes paid within that economy. I have no problem with migrant workers, but if we are going to allow them to win jobs away from less motivated and lazy Brits then there needs to be some withdrawal of benefits from the Brits to incentivise them to get off their bums and start competing for these jobs. At the moment they are as well off financially not working as they would be in a tough, physical minimum wage job, so why on earth would they bother?
All imigrants should be send back where they come from if they don't work, don't speak the language of the country they are living in. They only shame the rest hard working. Also any imigrant with any criminal record should be send back or not allowed to enter.
Europe will end up imploding with people fighting. its only a matter of time before war within europe ..its time that britain got out......before it starts.
"migrants' state benefits"?? These 3 words should never appear together! Britain can also remove economically inactive EU citizens, however this is rarely imposed. Holland could not have come up with fairer proposals and all EU states should have these rights. I believe throwing out people after 3 months is against EU law but I'm sure 6 months is at least allowed?
Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’, adding: ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’. GOOD!
Come to the UK the land of milk and honey for all migrants we wont kick you out because of your human rights
The EU laws were formulated for the purpose of genuine migration but since the system is being abused in a most despicable way it should be changed to reflect the present climate. The British leniency should stop now, the EU representatives should review the immigration laws ASAP. SM Gillingham 05/07/11
If they are deported will they make there way too the UK to be given everything free?
Can't see anything wrong with the Dutch recognising economic reality. Lesson we could learn maybe.
As someone who has many friends in the Polish community in the Netherlands as well as in Britain, I think there must be something very very wrong with this assessment by our ministry. Poles make sure they have work. They run therefore a risk that they end up in many an illegal job or otherwise dubious employment. The number of Polish nationals that rely on benefits is way under the average. The misconception in the article is that it suggests that it is about benefits. It is not! It is about the equally misconceopted idea by the ministry that the Poles take up jobs otherwise suitable for the Dutch unemployed. Go figure, ofcourse they won't (work that hours the Polish do). Furthermore there is a large community of very well educated Poles in the Netherlands who are essential to our building industry - as in Britain! - and ICT. Lines of work in which there is a huge shortage in properly educated personel here in Amsterdam.
- Jim, Stoke On trent, 4/7/2011 22:29 --- I'm pretty sure we do. But not anywhere within our parliament.
I'm sure Brussels does fear the loss of its tryannical grip on countries desperately trying to protect their economy. The answer for them is simple, and would also serve us well: bring any benefits down to a level where it is unattractive to be out of work. Make having a job to go to a condition of working in an EU country, and give countries equal power to remove those who cease work. If this was applied equally throughout the EU, this would not be a measure equivalent to a quantitative restriction.
No job = no benefits = go home. And when you come back make sure you can speak the language. TTFN
Shock horror. What about the babies who were born in Holland and therefore have the right to stay there? - Good idea, London++++++++++++++++++++++Well few babies have achieved a level of decision making enabling them to chose where they wish to live. So in the absence of that they go home with their parents. No child should have a nationality different from its parent(s) and only when the parent(s) are allowed a change should the baby's status change. What about the Nigerian woman who came to Britain to give birth to her five. That should not make their status British either.
this article is absolutely stupid. Having lived in the netherlands and having our son there with my dutch daughter in law and grandchild here this. The poles are not a problem, its the turks. Second very few people speak dutch(boy, what a tongue twisting language). next the dutch economy has succeeded due to their command of the english language and the pilfering of jobs from the uk and many other countries. Could it be politicians not knowing their own country just like ours.
The problem is that there hardly any unemployed Polish in the Netherlands)
Cameron should do exactly the same. All economic migrants should not be allowed into the country, and if they are already here they should be sent packing, and to hell with the EU and 'human rites' Our MP is totally in favour of the EU, but if we were given a referendum, as we were promised before the election, we would be out before the ink was dry.
Muslima - please explain how any poor Brit can walk through your doors and claim benefit, when it is extremely difficult to move to Australia without a required skill and/or the means to support yourself for a long time? Or is it just more Brit hatred?
Immigration, like inflation are tools used by the governments to subjugate the people. If we removed 500,000 illegals and 1,000,000 migrant workers there would be the lowest unemployment since the war and the deficit would vanish in a matter of years. We don't need any more people coming into the UK. PERIOD.
a child hood story. There was a poor fisherman who caught a magic fish. In exchange for it's life the fish granted a wish. The fisherman was granted a piece of land and a nice lifestyle. After a while he become bored and caught the fish again for a second wish. The fisherman was granted a County with servants, and more wealth. Again he became bored and went out to get a third wish. He was then was given the Crown and was king and very wealthy. The King decided he wanted the world, and went out and caught the fish. But this time the Magic fish got angry, and refused to grant anymore wishes, and said he was a greedy man. The King was furious and killed the fish. On arrival to the shore, the fisherman realised that because he had killed the fish, he was no longer King, and no longer wealthy. Just a poor old fisherman who destroyed the fish who had granted him wealth. A little story for the EU Look after your own, as their the ones who vote for you.
'All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding. ' - That is what is stated - so why are the Dutch now the bad guys because they insist on this being the case??? If they are working and adding to our economy - not on benefits (which they shouldn't be entitled to!) then I've got no probs with anyone being here - but if you think you can create havoc with criminality, not work, and be living off benefits, that you have not contributed to, you're sadly mistaken - by all means - get them out and back in the country of their origin!!!!
Holland should do the right thing and help these Polish chaps, if they have a problem doing so they should have said so vociferously, at the time these laws were being passed
Europe’s justice commissioner Viviane Reding ‘All member states are equal' No they are not all equal otherwise why would they be flooding into our countries??
My cousin employed Poles in his factory and found them infinitely better than the local English labour! They would work the night shift and would be much more thorough and consistent in their standard of work. If they were told to check a product three times over for possible faults that is what they would do - unlike many of the locals who would tend to cut corners. If a defective product surfaced it was nearly always from the day shift. And despite working nights they would attend English classes during the day! I am fet up with people knocking Poles - they were our allies in World War II and they make a contribution to our society today
If the Dutch get their way, expect the unemployed immigrants to be bound for this wonderful country of ours where everyone matters except the indigenous population
British Governments are in the hands of feral businessmen who are only interested in paying the lowest wages possible. They do not care about border or who takes care of their employee when they leave work or are sacked. - John Spencer, Harlow England, 05/7/2011 10:46 Unfortunately that is BUSINESS, just makes me laugh that so many people in this country think they DESERVE move money than they actually do, hence why there are millions of people skanking dole cheques each week because they are too lazy and too full of themselves to do a hard days work! So glad I'm emigrating and taking my taxes with me.....
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week. - giveusabreak, stone again, 05/7/2011..........Whats hard workers and long hours got to do with this story, it is about kicking people out that cannot find work and a burden on the Dutch welfare system, puzzled ?
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 21:16------------------------------------------------- Perhaps the Dutch did choose to be in the EU - we didn't; we got coerced by Labour into this stranglehold. Good for the Dutch now putting their own people first, pity our government can't do the same instead of kowtowing to foreigners who care not a jot about this country or customs, just their own
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week. - giveusabreak, stone again, 05/7/2011..........Whats hard workers and long hours got to do with this story, it is about kicking people out that cannot find work and a burden on the Dutch welfare system, puzzled ?
Somebody needs to make up their mind if those exercising treaty rights are job stealers (and tax payers) or benefit scroungers. There's a bit of a dichotomy in your dinosaur-think propaganda. It's the banks, not migration, stupid.
we should chuck out all foriegneers who are not working and that should include southern Ireland and when Scotland gains independance and becomes an seperate country they can have all their out of work countrymen and women back as well. that should provide enough spare cash to put into the health system right and give the pensioners a rise.
The out-of-work Eastern Europeans needn't worry. All they need do is find their way to the UK, the land of milk and honey with a huge pot of cash to chuck at one and all. (Unless of course you happen to a British taxpayer, in which case you'll get nothing but give a lot).
Well the Dutch did give the world Apartheid.
Problem can be solved in one simple move: NO BENEFITS UNLESS YOU HAVE PAID INTO THE COUNTRY FOR THREE YEARS This would stop all this nonsense straight away. If they have a job then OK if not why should us taxpayers pay for them to move here just to claim our benefits???
I am a UK expat who has lived and worked here (NL) for years. I am fed up of people who scrounge off the system. I dont care what nationality they are, where they come from, what colour, creed, race, religion, sock size ! If they are ot working then go home and obtain credit there - if you did not contribute to the coffers of the country that you are in then you do not deserve any benefits. This has nothing to do with the freedom to work anywhere in the EU, feel free to do so but the key word here is 'WORK'. There are too many old eastern block people wanting to obtain the benefits of the richer greater Europe - thats where it is wrong. As for the UK, they are plain stupid to keep alowing this blantent rampage to continue - it is well known in immigrant circles that the best place to go for free handouts is the UK. Grow up Britain and smell the roses. Your liberal choices allow the rape of your country. Be fair, be open but grow up.
DC, I think you had better do something about this problem before you have mass disorder on the streets of the UK !!!!
Isn't the EU wonderful? Slowly, slowly other people in countries other than Britain are starting to realise the social experiment to integrate us all against our will is not working. Oh, for the day when the whole corrupt empire crashes.
Dutch can, Brits carn't, wonder why.?
All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work AS LONG AS THEY ARE WORKING OR ARE SELF SUFFICIENT IN FUNDING!! This does not mean that we have to give them benefits, or support them in any way. Time to use the EU rules against them and deport all EU immigrants on benefits!!
What a pity these EU migrants don't pile into Brussels seeking work, benefits and family allowances. There would be some changes made then.
Good for the Dutch.
Yeah, but you know at least the Poles are looking for work unlike some. Time we did this with everybody, not singling out any particular group. The ones we can't send home, we should just put them on a job.
Wish we had these Dutch politicians instead of the feckless corrupt bunch we have in the UK. At least the Dutch aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.
At last common sense .
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own. - Okla, England+++++++++++++++++++++++If you came from a poor country and had the chance to go to a rich one to earn three times as much which you could send home, wouldn't you do maximum hours and work your socks off too? But taking everything into consideration, it does NOTHING for the host country. Japan has few immigrants but maximises the value of its own people who reciprocate with their support. Companies give good in work training and obviously have to pay the going rate and they innovate so that they stay ahead. Earnings stay in the economy spent on Japanese goods - 6 major car companies and we have none. Expansion in our economy means another Tesco, more spending on foreign goods and trillions of debt.
Hoi,Poles, don't be afraid of the Dutch threats. There is a country,not toooo far from the Netherlands,where you will be welcomed with open arms,given all the help and aid you can possibly imagine,a house,a mobile phone,interpreters to accompany you to the benefits office,where you don't have to find work and where you can reap more benefits than the indigenous population. I have given you some hints as to where this fabled country is,now it is up to you to find it....good luck..... p.s. It is NOT Poland.
Hurrah!!!
And the Poles and other Immigrants here, claim child benefit for their kids living in Poland!! Has this country completely lost the plot!! I despair for the future! No wonder the country is bankrupt!! Thanks to Brown and the stupid Liberals we are 90% down the slippery slope to 3rd or 4th world status!!!!!!
Henk Kamp for prime minister!!!
This is the important bit in that story"All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." This should mean that no EU citizen should be able to claim any form of benifit except in their own country and to do that they have to go home. So telling them to go is perfectly in compliance with the EU rules so Mz Redding should make her " position ‘loud and clear’ that these laws actually exist instead of ignoring unpleasant facts.
Yes Trudi I can explain - the principle of Free Movement, means that anybody within the EU has the right to move around in the EU unhindered, and that includes living anywhere in the EU, whether they work or not. Theoretically, if all of Poland (or any other country) wanted to live in Britain, then they can and nobody can stop them. The financial side of this is difficult - AIUI most countries have or had rules that someone had to be able to support themselves without recourse to the state, for x months, but this was opposing the principle of Free Movement (the three month rule was the rule that was to be used to send Peterborough shed people home), and so was, I believe, considered to be discriminatory. On May 1st, the benefit rules had to be changed in Britain so that all migrants have the same rights to benefits that Britons do, without having to qualify by length of stay. Therefore throwing people out of the country after three months of them not working is discriminatory.
It's about time wake up cameroon where I live in wisbech there a drunken poles in car parks in country parks and quite frankly they leave a mess everywhere and are even going round saying this is our town and we now own it ? which they definately do not
That's a great idea... now actually DO that there, and over here in the US and the UK too and maybe we'll get somewhere.
I have a question. Why would the Dutch, English, German hard working taxpayers will pay (social benefits) for people not from their country? If they dont find work and cant support themselves then they can claim benefits in their OWN county. We will not pay for them........... - Jazz, Amsterdam the Netherlands , 4/7/2011 22:12 Well I am not from 'your' country Jazz but I do live there and I pay tax to 'your' government so if I should lose my job why should Britain pay me benefits when I have paid my taxes to the Dutch government for years?
I wish Australia did this, then we could get rid of all the lazy poms! I used to work for Centrelink (our welfare System) and all the British coming through the doors was incredible. And as per the information I've received from friends working there still, not a lot has changed.
***---------"While countries like Britain have rigidly stuck to EU laws and directives, other nations have been less circumspect on doing so, and in many cases go unpunished."------------------>>> And here lies the fundamental problem. Everyone else seems to pick and choose which directives to follow, but do we?
Hmmm Poland are short of manpower..... Send them back.. solution.
"The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws" I'll bet they didn't you know. I'll bet they thought - just like us - that we were signing up to a "common market" for trading purposes. That's how it was sold to us by Heath in the 1970s and that is how we were conned and lied to to join up. I, for one, could not give a stuff what Brussels thinks of the Dutch idea. They should go ahead and put it into action. No job - go home. I wish we had a strong enough leadership here to do the same. My home city is no longer mine due to the influx of eastern Europeans and foreign students who sit outside our coffee shops for hours every day while we work to pay their bloody benefits!
Those 2 ideas sound very good and sensible. Of course you should learn the language of the country you're residing in, and, I think, a 3 month time limit for finding work in another country is fair. We need to take charge of our country but those at the top seem too afraid - or too cocooned in their wealth - to actually do it.
The EU for every other country is a pick n mix of what they decide to implement or not, which rules they will and won't follow. Only the British are stupid enough to follow the full letter of the law. The Dutch have the right idea, we should follow them, and perhaps then lead an exodus from the EU.
This seems a perfectly reasonable step to take by the Dutch. If they have no job after 3 months and no prospects of work, why would they want to stay anyway, other than for benefits. The UK government should support this position and should take a similar position, I think the UK electorate would fully support this stance.- george , swindon++++++++++++++++++++The EU are fully aware of this issue and will use the reaction from Holland and elsewhere to further their ultimate plans. They will say that the solution is for the EU to take charge of all member state taxation and benefits so that claimants receive one common payment wherever they are (it will still mean that the likes of Britain gives and Poland receives)
Beats me why the country of origin of EU migrants aren't made to pay benefits themselves to their own citizens........ whether in their own country or another.
At last a country that will to speak up. Why should one country be playing the unemployment benefit (or any other benefit) of another country's people. Waldemar Pawlak should be asking why his own countrymen need to leave his country by the millions, not questioning other governments. As they say 'get your own house in order' !!!! I have no problem with people moving to another country if they have a job there, but if they have no job then they should go home to whatever country they came from ???
We should set the example and send everyone back to their country of origin if they are not working and paying tax. It really is that simple, if its not that simple give us a referendum on Europe. I know we wont get it as the politicians know we would be out without a blink. Only the politicians want us in for their benefits.
Go for it Henk Kamp. Let common sense prevail and send them back home. As for the Polish Economic Affairs Minister, Mr Pawlak, saying that the Dutch plan is worrying, yes it will be worrying that some of the Dutch-sourced welfare money will not be going into the Polish economy! Follow suit, Mr Cameron.
What these EU policy makers and the UK government (who allows it) do not understand is that the UK takes a disproportionate share of the burden from this free movement rule because more people want to come here than any other EU country. Immigration needs to be tightened, monitored and enforced properly. And all of this could easily be funded by scrapping benefits, legal aid and translators for foreign citizens bearing in mind that the whole reason they are supposed to be here is to work, not spunge of the system!
British Governments are in the hands of feral businessmen who are only interested in paying the lowest wages possible. They do not care about border or who takes care of their employee when they leave work or are sacked.
Why would Poland care the more that leave Poland the less they have to pay for. Im just glad im getting out of the UK and the EU they can keep thier doomed socialist dream
I believe that what the Dutch are doing is right, anybody who travels to another country should be working in that country, if they havn't got work, then that said country should have the right to send them home!
Simple solution.Have the EU make a ruling on the level of benefits to be paid. All EU countries are to pay unemployment benefit at a certain level. All other benefits are at the discretion of the country and are paid only to that country's nationals. It would mean that there was no benefit in coming to the UK to be unemployed. I don't care what the do gooders say, when there are no UK citizens living on the streets then that is the time to allow immigrants to enter the housing queue. This country is a gift for those who want to come here and do nothing official. The cash in hand economy is fuelled by benefit claimers who work for below minimum wage with no strings and no records.
Makes you wish we had politicians with a bit of gumption..
The Dutch have always been more active than us Brits...about time we took a leaf fron their notebook.... - maggie, london uk++++++++++++++You are right - we just talk - they act
On Russia Today this morning they reported that Denmark had closed its borders - the Eu are reported to be furious - lets add to that fury by closing our borders and following the dutch lead
There does not seem any point in trying to get our 'we know best' leaders to leave the EU, the euro is going to collapse and the EU will not be that far behind it, so there will be nothing to leave.
The EU is a marxist set up which doesn't believe in nations.They think the whole world is entitled to everything on offer in the most affluent countries. In fact, outsiders are encouraged to fill their boots, at the cost of the nationals.
Go for it the Netherlands, politicians in tht UK haven't got the balls to deal with this vexed issue!
Maria in Sheffield - if all the Brit ex-pats came back to Britain from Spain, then Spain would be in serious trouble! My partner and I lived there for 10 years and I would say 80 to 90% were retired, arrived in Spain with money to buy a property, a car, plants, furniture, food every week etc. etc. in fact we were no problem but a huge asset. We provided work for Spanish builders, Spanish electricians, etc. I take my hat off to Holland and hope this idea catches on here, but I doubt it.
One big problem here. If Holland starts chucking them out, no prizes for guessing which land of milk,honey,and benefits they will all head for. And our bunch of wasters who pretend they are MP's will do the usual nothing about it !!...
" who are without work for three months and have little prospect of finding any." Meaning they have been able to live in the Netherlands for a period of three months without work..... I honestly do not see what is wrong with sending these people back to their homeland. When they find a job, they can always come back but in the mean time I see no reason to support them too. We have enough jobless Dutch to support as it is. p.s. DM - before you compare absolute numbers of immigrants, you may also want to take into consideration the total population of a country.
Good luck to the Dutch and we should do it to all the other overseas scroungers
Please, please, please, will someone explain something to me. Britain did not sign the Schengen agreement, allowing free and unfettered movement of Europeans throughout the EU, yet we are the ones with the most EU immigrants and the ones least prone to extraditing undesirables. We bend over backwards to grant all financial and medical benefits, housing, translation and inclusion services. Why?
Well done Holland. Kick out scroungers and the bone idle from every EU country, then kick out the EU bunglers who make stupid rules allowing itinerants to live off the state.
Surely this shouldn't just apply to Polish people - any EU national without a job should be ejected, surely?
CAMERON, DID YOU MISS THIS PART "All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." That does not mean COME TO THE UK FOR FREE EVERYTHING AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORK!
Henk Kamp for UK Prime Minister!
I love the Dutch, sensible drug laws and now fighting back against the EU!
Well Cameron what does it feel like to be the odd man out,get your nuts out of the wardrobe and be a man for a change ,do something the people want and stop being an appeaser to these idiots you teamed up with, give us the referendum you promised us,we will put all our EU problems right in a couple of days,for Gods sake man give the people what they want before its too late,time is running out...........
Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’, adding: ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement. Of course he finds it worrying as it could lead to the end of Polands greatest money-making scam; the export of its unemployment problem to the rest of Europe.
When i lived in the Netherlands they are hot to trot when it comes to benefits, when my son didnt go to school for two weeks the government phoned me to tell me no school no child benefit...when have you ever had a phone call from the benefit office here... i tried to come off child benefit saying my son finished college and isnt going bk and was told it cant be stopped until september when the term starts for college...i was like WHAT.... couldn't believe my ears... in the netherlands you say that they say no problem thank you very much....GET REAL UK....
If the majority of members of a club want to change the rules, then the majority decision applies, why can the majority not change stupid EU laws?
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week.
In England they won't do that. The prat in charge of the CBI doesn't like Brits.
The freedom of movement laws in the EU are ill thought out and wrong, there's nothing wrong with finding work in another EU state providing it doesn't impact on that states own workforce like here and drive down wages, no one should be allowed to move from one state to be out of work in another and put a strain on the host countries resources, the whole system must be looked at and a sensible decision made, I welcome the Dutch decision and hope other states follow them especially us, then the whole thing will have to be re thought out so it doesn't pitch workers from one state against the other and cause distress.
We should do exatly the same here and GET OUT OF THE E.U.
" I COMMEND THIS (DUTCH) STATEMENT TO THE HOUSE ! "
"Well done the Dutch"
Free movement rights are a good thing. BUT no person from another EU country should become a burden on the host country. Any EU country must have the right to remove someone back to their own EU country if this becomes the case.
I'm Polish and I totally agree. I can see how my fellow Poles abuse Irish welfare system and I resent it. It just shows how imperfect the whole system is that it allows people to abuse it so much. We have to introduce restrictions, otherwise this whole EU thing will fall apart quicked than we think. I hope other EU member states will follow in Holland's footsteps.
AT LAST someone who can see beyond the fear of disagreeing with the EU gravy train riders! Go for it Holland and, maybe just maybe, other countries will find the backbone to do the same!
If they can,We can. Start NOW.
"Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’",..... Is anybody surprised at that? If they are over here sending pay or benefits home that can only be good for Poland and bad for us. We need to weigh in behind the Dutch and be-damned the dictatorial EU law.
As far as I know it IS the law that if EU citizens are without work in another EU country for three months, they must return to their own country. This law should have been kept and enforced from the beginning and it is the failure to do so in our own country that is a contributing cause to our massive immigration problems. The Government keeps trotting out that they cannot do anything about European immigrants but they deceive us. The fact that a law has not been enforced up until now does not mean that it ceases to exist.
now this is what I call a nation with b...s! shame we have weak kneed ministers running this country - if only they could learn to punish foreigners instead of the citizens of this country
Let's be brutally truthful here. As soon as the old Combloc residents were free to head to the west they did. They did not stay to build their own countries up, they went where there was more money and the pickings were better. I have no objection to people bettering themselves, that is not the point. The point is that we cannot afford them. For every migrant worker, there tends to be a family, and children, all claiming benefits. Child benefit is better here than Poland (for example), but no one has stopped people claiming benefits for children who do NOT even live here. This country is on its uppers. We cannot afford to be so generous. I am sorry, but if there are no jobs, they should go home, if they won't go home, they should be repatriated. The EU lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land spending other people's money, that gravy train should cease forthwith.
BREACH EU LAWS??? WE NEVER VOTED FOR ANY OF THESE IDIOTS!! DAVID CAM PROMISED US A VOTE AND ONCE AGAIN HE DID A U TURN. WE DON'T CARE WE THEY ARE, WHAT THEY DO WE JUST WANT OUT!!!!
Good for them! i hope they stand up to the autocratic EU who think they have the right to dictate to people how their countries are run. We didn't vote for it we don't want it and i for one am sick to death of being dictated to by the bloody EU idiots, our Govt needs a good hard kick up the backside, previous Govts got us into this mess and it's up to Cameron and his cronies to get us out before Britain is completely swamped by a load of freeloading foreigners. The benefits system should not be available to foreigners they haven't paid in so they should not get paid out, and i agree if they are not working they should be sent home, why should we keep them at the taxpayers expense! Has no-one any common sense, you don't need a degree in mathematics to understand basic numbers! We are a small island sinking under a constant influx of foreigners who know we will provide for them, it's obscene! and once here we are stuck with them, the baby boom for migrants is huge! I hate politicians!
Lets hope we follow their example soon.. for all immigrants who refuse to learn our language or find work here.. we're sick of it..
Your comments: I totally agree , the dutch have got it right. Chuck the lot out and give our lads and lasses the chance to get jobs. We have kept these scroungers far too long and its about time Mr. Cameron sorted this lot out
At last the truth if EU people have no job and cannot look after themselves fianncially then we DO NOT have to give them any benefits so Cameron come on and show EU that we are fed up with being the dumping ground for these new EU members that have no money. Time for UKIP or the EDL....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... Cameron is useless.
My question is, 'do government officials get to read these responses? If not, they should be forwarded to them!
Cameron supports the Turkish application for EU membership. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Why cannot we do the same,we are all supposed to under the same EU law,why are we so lily livered in our country,come on Mr Cameron start with the woman who just flew in from africa and cost us 200k to have 5 babies! on our NHS, its supposed to be a national not international health service.
Don't really see the problem - it is up to the Dutch how they look after their own country. Pity our gutless wonders don't think about telling Brussels to go take a long walk off a short pier sometime...
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, Probably not, just like in every other EU country. When has the vote gone to the majority, i.e. the people. Never, hardly and even when the vote was given on the treaty, Holland and France voted No. Ireland voted no and then told to go back again until it got the vote they wanted. This is no democracy but a dictatorship. The people of Holland have never voted for these laws, its the few government leaders and MPs that have voted for them. NOT THE PEOPLE, NOT THE TAXPAYER
We need to create an EU that we want, not what they want us to have.
It looks like Holland is leading the way in many aspects, ban on Halal Slaughter despite thye EU. Now again they take the lead in saying to the EU. they want the Nation State that is Holland run by the Dutch, a State that is self deterning it's own future. Not run from the Duma in Brussels which is determined to end all Nation States in it's endevour to create a EUSSR. The Dutch have experienced massive emmigration by it's people, they seem to now understand why, whereas our politicians don't care. Well Done Holland, shame we do not have a Geert Wilders aswell.
What is this..........common sense, our MP's should take note of the Dutch!
surpose when the clogumphs kick the jam rolls out you will not have to run a lottery to know were they will end up ! plenty of jobs here for Poles ?
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own. - Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13----I doubt very much that you even know any Polish people. Please stop repeating this urban myth. Polish people are just the same as any other Europeans - east or west!!! They have their hard workers and lazy people in the same proportions.
Don't worry boys and girls, Mr Cameron will take you in and put you immediately on more benefits than I and my wife get in pensions, Oh, and I will pay for you to be here. Don't worry boys and girls.
"Poland's economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans "worrying" adding " if the Dutch go ahead with this then all these unemployed Poles might come back to Poland and the Polish state may have to look after them!" Heaven forbid!!!
when you have the have nots and the haves and countries who have tragically been surpressed and ruined by communism, surely you know if you open borders the have nots will flood to the haves. I dont see any problem with this if this is capped to make sure the haves are not swamped and thier own country dragged down and ruined, infrastrucures collapsing under the weight as our own is. Telling us that there is equal movement between countries is codswallap. I dont know of a single person who has moved to Poland or Lithuania!!! However my polish sister in law ( here for twenty years working) tells me in poland the national TV says 6 million people have left! Six Million have emigrated from Poland alone! Even she says people who cant make it in poland have flooded here and lots of un desirables and she says its our border control fault. Most britains who move abroad are self sufficient and retiring or go with plans and money to survive!! I doubt many brits are living in sheds !
UK would have a problem with the language part, is'nt english taught as a second language in most of these countries. We could afford the NHS, Welfare for the old, etc etc. if we didn't have to pay for nearly all of the eastern block influx.
As I've found since moving here, the Netherlands has the advantage that politicians are above board. This means that those who want to destroy national distinctions and reconstruct the world as they see fit -- by promoting unrestricted migrations, unconnected to job offers or cultural integrity -- say exactly that that is what they want, and found separate parties with those explicit aims. Hence, traditional Dutch patriots (including left-wingers) in the mainstream parties are "able" to say that they don't want the nation to suffer through ill-conceived mass migration. Our problem in Britain is that so very many politicians who have that goal have been lying about it for so long -- and we have failed to deal with them for their lies.
KICK all immigrants out and look after your own country and its people .This trying to look after the world is crazy
Governments of this country think tax payers are a charity. The government dishes out money abroad because it makes them feel good. They allow anyone to live here for free because it makes them nice people in the eyes of the scroungers. Meanwhile live in Scotland and its free care for the elderly, live elsewhere in the UK and they steal your house to pay for care. Therefore work and pay taxes and get screwed. Come here and do nothing, get cared for all free and even get buried for free.
**** EU laws, I am sick of them and so are all my fellow countrymen. It's about time we started looking after our own. We want our vote. I am going to write again today to my EURO MP to ask where my vote is, although I doubt I will get an answer just as he ignored me last time. We should all write to them asking where our vote is. I don't understand that a very small minority of people, i.e. our government think they can walk over the majority and carry on with this grand EU project. No wonder we can't pay for our students to go to uni, or elderly care because our taxes are pouring into the EU
‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yippee! It's what the Brits want anyway. Good for Holland - I stand by their brave move! The EU is a complete waste of money, it's corrupt and it's time for it now to collapse. Only wish it would come sooner.
Come off it ! We are more likely to evict pensioners from their houses and put them into high rise flats , to make room for our honoured guests and their families !
Good luck trying to get "benefits" in France if you are not French; or explanatory leaflets in any language other than French. You will be told that "benefits" are for the French,and,quite rightly, that if you live in France then you should learn French. The British are the suckers of the EU.
Why wait 3 months
"Europe’s justice commissioner Viviane Reding has warned the Netherlands that it ‘must respect EU rules on the freedom of movement between member states’. If the Netherlands fails to comply with EU legislation, the commission will make its position ‘loud and clear’, she said. ‘All member states are equal and the rules are transparent,’ she added." - Comment - The idea that all member states are equal is quite laudable in itself but in practice it means that the small fry are dictating policy by ganging up to vote themselves into a position of power. The presence of competing power blocks in any organisation eventually leads to war; war in this case would hopefully lead to the disintegration of the EU. Viviane Reding (Justice Commissioner) has warned that , 'the Commission will make its position ‘loud and clear’. It will be very interesting to see the result of this brazen threat from an employee to her employers; a very welcome expulsion for the Dutch from the EU, perhaps?
I wish desperately ,that the same is done in our country, all immigrants without job, ability to speak English ,should be sent home,the abuse by them of our system is frightening. Mr Cameron, do it while there is still time to save our country.
I wish desperately ,that the same is done in our country, all immigrants without job, ability to speak English ,should be sent home,the abuse by them of our system is frightening. Mr Cameron, do it while there is still time to save our country.
Go for it, it would seem your MP's have more backbone than ours.
"The Dutch were one of the first countries to join the common market. Now that it's become the EUSSR they want out."- Dave, Kettering, 5/7/2011 1:41 Were does it say the Dutch want out? We are just following an already EXISTING european rule. There are no european laws breached and Brussels will not be knocking on our doors soon and take us to court. English readers should look further than what their newspapers tell and have a look what really is in the European law. You can work in another european country, be unemployed and have three months unemployment benefits. Than you have to go back to your own country That is the official rule.
That's OK then. they will just come to the UK. No one here to stop them, there just 'aint no B*LLS
well done holland but alas it means they will all come here. as usual.
Here's an idea. Why doesn't everyone move to Poland, refuse to learn Polish, demand a free house and some handouts from the government. See how far you get. I congratulate the Netherlands, if they actually follow through with it.
""If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty........."" I bet half of them left because they couldn't recognise "Blighty" any more. If we are wise enough to emulate the proposals of the Dutch I think we'd get a far better deal in having back our own people and expelling the rest of the world's wastrels.
Is it me or do the Poles want to be anywhere but Poland? Their migration from their homeland since they were accepted into the EU has been astonishing. They've gone to all the Western European nations in their hundreds of thousands. I'm surprised there are any Poles left in Poland.
Perhaps, the Dutch might consider the better option: pulling out of the E.U. altogether.
Just give economic migrants exactly the same benefits they would receive in their own countries. This could then be claimed back and refunded from their home country.
anti european, i am voting UKIP next time (from a dissolusioned ex conservative)
These rules are simply crazy. Why should foreign national be allowed to go to another EU state and do NOTHING but claim benefits?! No wonder the Dutch want to get rid off them. We should be doing exactly the same. And for the EU to oppose this shows just how out-of-touch and unreasonable the Eurocrats are. The EU will be the downfall of the UK and the other previously great states of Europe, I guarantee it!
It's obvious that the Polish ministers would speak out abou this - they are quite happy to shed millions of young men from Poland and basically put their problems onto Holland and Britain in the main. The Eu freedom of movement charter is nothing more than an agenda to allow poor eastern Europeans to scrounge off the Dutch and British taxpayers. Holland is not afraid to stand up to the EU because they know that the EU is a toothless tiger and nothing can be forced from the Dutch.
Why can't we in England do that?? why do we always have to do what we're told when other countries flaunt the rules and get a way with it,
Great idea and it shows they are brave enough to do the sensible thing. Freedom of movement has nothing to do with social securoity tourism to go from your own country to another to claim better social security benefits. That's a recipe for disaster and just plain daft if your government allows that to happen. Guess where they'll go if the Dutch throw them out?
So do we; but thanks to Labour, we can't.
What makes this funny is that the government dont even have the money to do that without cutting something or increasing a tax somewhere so those for it please line up and put your ever benevolent hand in your symbolic pocket.
As the majority of EU countries only had to open their jobs market to the new 2004 EU countries, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc., from May 2011 it hasnÂ’t taken long for them to complain. Thanks to Bliar and Broon, weÂ’ve put up with this for 7 years.
this eu farce works only for the deprived,poor eastern europeans are taking advantage of the system,we dont need them,lets get out now cameron before we can not get rid of any off them.
We should throw out migrant EVERYONE if they can't find a job. It shouldn't be limited to Poles. We are far too soft on migrants and illegal immigrants.
what about all the brits living in spain who can't speak a word of spanish?? oh, thats ok, because they're british...hypocrites.....
Well , it has to start somewhere.---------------------------------------------------------------This current situation cannot continue------------------------------------------------- This country is just too soft a touch "FREE MONEY & HOUSES QUE HERE"
Response to: - maggie, london uk, 05/7/2011 who posted at: 04:30 ...... HERE, HERE Maggie! It is about time we started expelling folks from other countries who have come here looking for work. There isn't enough work for our citizens anymore, because employers can get foreigners cheaply. This means that those workers are claiming benefits and taking money from the countries purse as well as jobs. That handout of money doesn't just stop at a weekly payout from the Social Security office. It also means Rent Rebates Housing Allowance, Council Tax Rebates; Free Prescriptions and Free Health Care. This massive influx from European countries are breaking the back of our once fine and respected world wide country. The British Government needs to take action NOW. BEFORE it gets any worse. We cannot help our country with tax cuts and tightening our belts because the Government needs to get the European problem sorted out. GET US OUT OF EUROPE, AND GET THE EU. FOLKS OUT of Britain!
We have masses of unemployed Brits and throngs of foreign workers on our shores. Surely it is plain common sense to send ALL non working immigrants back to their home land? Billions would be saved on our benefits system! And WHEN will Cameron honour his (pre-election) offer to give us a referendum on EU membership? Both he, and we, know what the answer will be!!
Re Camerton, Morpeth uk. The Dutch people did not choose to be in the EU! Like the UK we voted to join the Common Market, not join a political union! Later governments ignoring the peoples wishes did so! , hence the mess we are now in with laws and regulations galore.
One EU country with brains in government.
It is about time someone in Europe stopped talking double dutch and showed a huge dose of common sense. If these people arrive in a foreign country as economic migrants and cannot find work, then surely they are in no better situation than back home so the common sense approach is for them to return to their homeland.
And guess which soft touch country they'll head for?
Look Mr Cameron you dont have to lay down and do what EU tell you too, you are our leader get our country sorted out we cannot afford to give our jobs away , you want to lower the unemployed numbers well give them the jobs instead and make it compulsory they have to work for any benefit, working is not just about wages its about self esteem, pride, and feeling you are part of something the young at the moment dont have this opportunity and that means bored,no money, no outlook which we all know can lead to crime, and anti social behavoiur and general discontent, you are not being fair to your own people the young of today will be looking after you when your old help them to help themselves
If those people arre just to collect money, then it is the right of the Netherlands to require those people to leave. If they have a job, then they should be able to stay. But collecting money for doing nothing is not acceptable. To quote a previous reader, 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? So, not working means not being self-sufficient and not working. The EU can not make this mistake in regard to the free movement of people and the right of them to work in a country. This law is saying that they have 3 months to get a job. I think this is more than sufficient if you are really looking for a job. The Court of Justice might be wrong to accuse the Netherlands from enjoying a position such as this. The Court can not enforce a law that does not exist in the book for the sake of proving that they are right. Then, it would be right for the Netherlands to sue the Court of Justice.
Oh a small country but has guts wonder which country could do with some
Good on the Dutch, about time the EU was told where to go!
I have always loved the dutch now i know why - good on them - NOW IF ONLY I HAD THE BALLS TO DO THE SAME
LAWS ARE FOR THE GUIDANCE OF ' THE WISE' AND THE 'BLIND OBEDIENCE ' OF THE FOOLISH. MIGRANT WORKERS have freedom of movement ' as long as they are working' and are self sufficient' in funding. E.U law. yet we are still paying them benefits .....? The Law does not require us or any other E.U country to do so...no wonder we are broke !! Benefits officers.... should be clamping down on all....... especially in maternity hospitals.... do not live here ??? PAY .
dump the EU.close borders.throw out illegals..stop overseas aid.family benifits and other tax funded hand outs..
If they dont work and dont speak the language then why should they be allowed to stay, you see, this is where the UK go wrong, too soft by far.
good for you Holland..lovely country..we need their leaders to replace our pathetic bunch.
"Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’" Well he would say that wouldn't he. They don't want to have to find jobs for 100's of thousands of Poles if they have to return. Not to mention the fact that there will be less money coming into their country from those that work abroad and send a high proportion of their wages (benefits?) back. Come on Cameron, grow a pair and stop sitting on your finger.
Again this is clear you can't just let a load of people in if they have no job or no prospects. The EU don't get it. It causes massive strains on systems, and local people pay more taxes. We're not seeing any net benefit of migration as has now been exposed in recent months. Of course the Polish PM calls it worrying, he wants Poles to go to all the other European countries offloading their unemployed so they can get work or benefits and send it back. Anyone with half a brain knows this. Britain has equally been thick because our recent governments just don't respect its own population or British. Charity begins at home and we get our own house in order first. It really is time for a revolution in the UK and time we dumped the Labour, Liberal and Tory parties once and for all. Cameron so far has been so disappointed, so many people had hoped, all talk. We need some real hard policies.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. There are plenty of Brits out of work who can't even get rubbish jobs because the Eastern Europeans are here. When they are here, they discriminate against the Brits, looking after their own first. I've seen it first hand. If we carry on like this, the Serbs will be here next and the cost is too high, for example, the NHS have to pay £60 per hour whenever they hire an interpreter.
The EU rules require a certain amount of 'fine-tuning'. The concept of 'free-movement' of citizens across national boundaries must be stopped, and a return to the original system of sealed borders in order to regulate human traffic with border controls reinstated. Countries must be free to refuse entry to, and repatriate those already in their countries to whom they cannot give employment. Holland, as is indeed both France and the UK, is currently groaning under the weight of unemployed foreigners from other EU states who have flooded in, and for whom, there is no employment. Such persons place a huge fiscal and logistical problem on the visited nation, health care, finance, housing etc. It isn't higher mathematics, or rocket-science, it is a simply understood, logistical fact! Too many people, not enough housing, not enough money to pay them all.
so do we but our corrupt govmnt only listen to their rich friends.
sounds like a bloody good idea to me. can it then be used on all the other free loaders who come into this country, that will have a very positive effect on our economy and allow british workers to get jobs and get the lazy gits who live life doing nothing to get of their asses and work.
The actions by the Dutch Politicians are the result of a very strong anti-immigrant vote by the Dutch electors. 'Solve the problem or get out.' However, the UK electors have sent the opposite message to their politicians. 'Carry on with your policies, we do not care and will continue to vote for you.' Politicians do what they are elected for. You UK lot have voted for soft immigration policies and you have got them. Long live Democracy. Just dont complain, since you UK voters are the ones responsible for the election of your parliament.
It's all going to collapse and sooner than we think. Our worries about the EU are the same being experienced by the people in all the EU countries. It's just the Eurocrats hooked on power and extravagant salaries/expenses who are fighting to keep the nightmare alive.
If only we only had to pay them the benefits they would get in their home country, most of them would soon go home!
Everyone who tries to better themselves and also help their families should be admired! those who are theives and robbers and rapists, should be imprisoned, then sent home.
Seems like common sense to me, but since when was the fools that infest Westminster ever credited with having any common sense?
It is a well known fact that the european union is a corrupt money making / taking club for those who praise the continuation of it and all those that run it , we should be allowed a referendum as to whether we want to remain or get out ,and like the Dutch throw out those that will not abide by our laws and deport those that break them , when will this goverement give the general public the right to speak and vote on to keep throwing into this money pit.I cannot believe that to leave this 'union ' we would be worse off than the £13 billion plus we presently pay out to Brussels each year , plus all the millions we pay to the eu immigrants that we are told we have to house and provide benefits to, take in and provide for them and their families including children in their own country who are not even living here.
What a sensible idea - we should copy the Dutch but extend it to apply to all immigrants with the further restriction that those ghranted work visas should be expelled if they are not employed using the skills on which the visa was based. As far as the EC is concerned we should be making a concerted campaign to cut back the activities of that body or, far better, get out of it altogether
Nothing wrong with immigration when both parties benefit and create a better country. But the immigration that Brits hate is where people come here illegally with no intention of working but to receive benefits whilst Brits are denied those. We are told by all the do gooders that hate us and their own country that we are rich and the rest of the world is poor and we have a duty to feed and finance the world. Come on in they insist, plenty of room and plenty of funds for benefits. Freedom of movement is always only one way.
If Holland can throw out the Migrants why do we not follow and let the EU go to Hell with all their rules. What is wrong with our Government that they cannot do the same - let us look after our own first.
Well done to the Dutch.. It's their example we should be embracing not the ones from the U.S.A.
Good for the Dutch. Cameron, are you listening
Why only Poles ? We must have every nation under the sun claiming benefits, so what is the benefit to this country by that happening ? ? ?
Send them all to Britain --we're the soft touch and mugs of Europe . When will we get the PROMISED referendum on membership of the Euro pig trough . NEVER --because politicians of all parties are frightened of the answer . Are we governed by mice or men ( or women ) . Well done the Dutch .
Brussels is afraid other countries may follow suit? Would that be the example set by the Dutch, or the French in expelling or proposing to expel migrants? Or, is it simply that Brussels is afraid that an outbreak of common-sense may catch on?
Lets all move to poland its empty now nice place crap wages though.
I'm not surprised by the action of the Dutch government,the whole purpose of a democratically elected government is to look after the interests of it's own people.....& just who elected anybody in Brussels????
I am a British migrant worker in the Netherlands, I've been here 11 years and we have built up our work, home, friends and family here in the Netherlands we have almost nothing to go back to in Britain. I have paid into the the Dutch tax system which incidentaly is very high, and I feel that I have a right to the benefits and services I have contributed to over the last decade. The very idea that if the worst came to the worst and I lost my job some anti-EU politician could take that all away is very scary. Fortunately I have learnt the language but my Scottish husband has not been able to, does that mean they'd try to separate us by kicking him out?
The solution would be to leave the EU. There are too many rules and regulations. This organisation looked good on paper but in practical terms, it is shambolic and it doesn't work.
Unless EU members have welfare and housing benefits parity movement is going to essentially be a one way street, to the detriment of the host country. And forget the red herring of British (self financing pensioners in Spain). The EU socialist elite care not for the consequences of their policies, only the creation of a EU empire with them in charge. Britain has been the Biggest looser, caught between the EU, the ECHR, and predatory lawyers. But at least the Kinnock Clan have grown very rich.
Hallelujah! At last, people in other European countries are starting to wake up. If you have a job, you should be able to remain in another EUSSR country, if you haven't, you should go home. Unfortunately, since the st of May, we in the UK are now inviting people here specifically to claim benefits. Mad, absolutely mad!
They should not be allowed to claim anything which they can't claim in their own country. . . . It should also be reciprocal. . . We should be allowed to claim if we go to their countries. . . . . Let's be fair.
I am a skipper on commercial boats in Lagos, Portugal. Last year the port captain decided that only skippers with Portuguese boat licenses could drive commercial boats operating out of ports in his area - against EU laws I would have thought, but none of the boat businesses dares to challenge him for fear of reprisals. Fortunately I have a portuguese boat licence as well as my english one.
We should take a leaf out of Holland's book and do the same thing here,and I applaud the Dutch for taking a tough line on this,and this is coming from someone who had 2 Polish grandparents who came over here after World War 2 who worked and settled here and became British citizens.If they were alive today,then they would agree with the Dutch and say that we should do the same.
Hang on this can't be right -------a politician with balls I didn't know the EU countries had any of those
Interesting that the Polish Economic Minster finds the Dutch decision worrying. Is this because once the Dutch have expelled the Poles who can't ( or won't) find work, then the Polish government will have to pay their benefits ? A country having to look after its own unemployed - unthinkable !!!
If more countries - starting with us - supported the Dutch, and decided to follow suit, that would be game, set and match, to commonsense.
As long as they don't come here....
Good for the Dutch. Everyone else should follow suit.
Sounds like the Dutch have the right idea!
Don't just say it DO IT, the sooner one country or another has the guts to do this the better we will all be. You never know we may even be lucky enough to be witnessing the fall of the E.U. Now there's something to look forward to.
What's the problem with that? I thought that was the rule anyway? You have no rights to sponge if you haven't had employment? Is this an admission that we are NOT kicking out the spongers? How silly of me, of course we aren't.....
I really don't understand. If EU rules state open movement 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? Citizens that are neither working or with private income lose their rights, surely? If I'm missing something will somebody PLEASE explain. Because it looks to me like countries are being expected to exceed what was agreed and signed up to and that can't be right, can it? - Trudi, Worcs, 05/7/2011 04:49 Trudi to my knowledge there have or are changing the law so EU workers are entitled to claim the full range of benefits from day one with or without a job or being self sufficient.
There also shouldn't be benefits for imigrants who don't speak the language of the country they are living in. Why they should get them if they are very often not bothered to learn the language. Also no child benefits if children are not living in the country e.g. father is working in UK and mother is still with kids in Poland. And saying that i am Pole.
Congratulations Netherlands lead the way, because soon Germany and France will be following your example. Eventually Britain will cotton on too, but alas we're always the last to follow common sense.
You watch the Dutch go whilst Camoron and Clegg and Cable sit by watching the world go by. Two of these, the Lib Desperados actually want immigration increased, yes, incredible isn't it. Partcularly galling when firstly hardly anyone actually voted for them and secondly their vote has all but dwindled to almost zero. We need an election now.
Wish our government had thast sort of backbone. If they did, people wouldn't have to sell their houses to pau for care in their old age and we probably wouldn't be in half the financial mess we're in now.
I am a Pole and i agree with that. It is very embarassing for me to see other Poles who are e.g. in UK and don't work because they don't want to or can't speak english and only are coming here because of benefits. I work hard since the day i came here. Besides these not working but taking benefits are not doing good for the rest of us who want work and works.
I would back him, actully, bring him here to sort BRITAIN out, sorry we have lost the GREAT, nothing Great about us any more. Diane. Liverpool
So they allow open movement so long as they are in work or self sufficient? Then why do they draw benefits?
Your comments:this is what this country should be doing with all the EU migrants. but they do not have the guts. I hope the Dutch wins their case.
Go Holland! No work= No benefits, simple. As a migrant worker, return home or move on. Good luck to anyone learning Dutch, its a nightmare language to learn - but when you do take the time to learn, that is when true integration happens - and that is what the Dutch want.
Sounds common sense to me.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty......... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 18:16****** The difference is that most Brits in Spain are not on benefits and the Dutch are looking to apply this rule to benefit applicants only !
Excellent move Dutchies and thanks very much, because that'll be another 500,000 heading for these shores - marvellous!
Every year 100s of billions of Euros are collected in the rich economies of Western Europe to finance and sustain Eastern European member States of the EU, yet millions of Easter Europeans come to western europe and profit of our generous benefit system. In the spirit of fairness we should reduce any amount of European aid to let say Poland by the amount of benefits polish people take in western europe, but as it is we cannot keep paying twice for Eastern Europe with our taxes and benefits, this has to stop.
What about the non EU migrants?
I agree witht the proposal. We as tax payers should not have to cover the cost of benefits for people who have either never worked or not paid into the tax system long enough. The simple answer would be that you are not allowed to enter the country unless you have a job placement already,
Damn good idea, BRITAIN take note
I agree with the Dutch people , if they are not working we should not pay then benefits but cover the cost of a ticket back to their native countries. Why should I as a tax payer all my working life pay for people who have never paid into our tax system?. Before people are allowed to the UK they should show that they can fund themselves if they have no work
Learn to speak Dutch......even the Dutch mainly speak english.
Strait speaking honest Dutch, go for it 100%.
Send them home, it makes sense, but sense isn't part of our makeup anymore, we have people of 'conscience' directing us, who consider any immigrant worthy of special treatment, even if they do nothing, have no natural connection with us, even break the laws and make our lives less,so long as it is for their benefit and lets our luvies chatter and feel good.
Good for the Dutch. Let us join them. All who enter the UK to live should:- 1. Speak our language. 2. Have a job to come to, or have a private income and not be a burden on the state. 3. Have a willingness to integrate. 4. Live by our laws, not change them to suit their former lifestyle.
There are plenty of hardworking Polish people - the problem is the ones who came over as builders and stayed after the credit crunch as benefit tourists. My neighbour let an expensive one-bed flat to a Polish couple who got several friends in to help with the rent. Once they lost their jobs they stopped paying rent and started playing music all night, sleeping all day and trying to get a council house. Despite barely speaking English they know all about their “rights” and entitlements. Although they were on a one month contract it took him ten months of legal process to evict them, and even then they didn’t go until just before the bailiffs arrived. They managed to live nearly a year rent free – so much for the greedy landlord.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty......... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 19:16 If the Spanish did that, their already weak economy would completely collapse and the social unrest that followed would make the riots in Athens look like the Teddy Bears' Picnic
I'm no great fan of the Dutch, but at least they are addressing this problem where our useless crowd of numpties keep cramming in more and more migrants to the detriment of the British people. Cameron hasn't the balls to go against his masters, it would mean he wouldn't be in line for a prime place at the Eurotrough when he gets kicked out at the next election.
Good for the Dutch. Now Cameron what about us threatening the same. Added to that a threat to pull out of the EU altogether. Lets see some guts for a change. With a threat to pull out maybe France, Spain, Germany and the other EU countries will see that we won't stand for being their cash cow and back off.
The Dutch government is also proposing to charge illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers for the cost of their deportation and repatriation.
What a good idea but, I can see that it infringes EU rules. However, all is not lost, whilst we await the result of the Dutch, fighting it out with Brussels, we can take a similar approach with the countless thousands of jobless and non English speaking immigrants from elsewhere in the world.
For small country with a low population, I can see why this is an issue. I still believe that migrants should be capped even from the EU as the amount coming to Britain was seriously underestimated. If 500,000 British nationals decended on Poland, then I think Poland would have the same concerns,
Maria Sheffield says' Yeah, but they are self-supoorting mostly, not claiming benefits, i.e. retired. You sure about that? From my experience if those on benefits came back from the sun that would be quite a lot!
I hope the Dutch take the lead.Watch the house of cards come tumbling down!.
In Germany you simply cannot go and sponge off the state. You have to show you either have employment or enough savings in the bank. Otherwise you will be deported. I am sure this is exactly what Holland is thinking of doing. It is a pity the UK cannot do the same instead of muttering "it is against EU rules". It apparently isn't.
Mz Reding seems to like to threaten countries ,she did the same with Britain over some issue. Unlike the Dutch Britain rolled, Cameron should take note of what the Dutch are saying, however he does have greasy Clegg to worry about.
Good on the Dutch-great people(visited there many times) with a govt who actually tries to looks after its own people. I hope you're listening Cameron and you support the Dutch on this issue because people in the UK are getting heartily sick of immigration here. These Eastern European migrants take jobs, are a drain on the health system and other government services and don't even spend in the UK most what they earn or receive in benefits-instead sending it back home. The only people who want them here are greedy employers seeking slave labour. Once again Cameron-you had better support the Dutch on this issue because people have had enough.
All praise to the Dutch. Quote from the report "All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." Did I get that right, 'either working or self sufficient in funding!' What part of this EU directive does our government not understand. They work, fund themselves or get sent back - NO BENEFITS.
The good old Dutch, yet again leading the way whilst other countries such as ours dither and flounder, well the weak politicians we mean. Then again, we are totally aware of their incompetence, lies and deceptions, and still they cower to the bullies of the EU junta. Britain is awash with Eastern Europeans, such as the Poles. Sometimes I wonder which country I am in as the women gather with their kids, now they told us these people were here to work, where then. Benefits for all in Britain, advertise the EU junta, but not from their own countries. We are being abused at a very high level, and still the current government blame the other lot who preceded them. No more pathetic excuses, action is what we need radically to salvage our countries future..If this lot can't or won't then we cannot wait 5 years of their perpetual abuse on our nation. Out of the EU, no excuses, reasons, pitfalls or whatever other excuses they give. we want out at any cost which will be our saving grace....
I hate to say it: I am glad I'm in my 80's. The way this once Proud Nation is going is heartbreaking. I don't think I could stand 20 years of it; let alone 80. Hard workers penalised; Parasites rewarded. PoliticianÂ’s telling more and more outright lies. Making promises they have no intention of keeping. The list is endless. It's such a pity because life is a wonderful gift and blessing.
This rule should apply to the UK as well.
I really don't understand. If EU rules state open movement 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? Citizens that are neither working or with private income lose their rights, surely? If I'm missing something will somebody PLEASE explain. Because it looks to me like countries are being expected to exceed what was agreed and signed up to and that can't be right, can it?
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty..... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 18:16 Yeah, but they are self-supoorting mostly, not claiming benefits, i.e. retired. If they are looking for work they probsblt can't get a job without speaking Spanish...
The Dutch have always been more active than us Brits...about time we took a leaf fron their notebook....
And where is the unalloyed benefit that derives from 'the European system of freedom of movement'? Essentially all it means is poor people from Eastern Europe seizing the opportunity to seek work or benefits in Western Europe. It is time some of the myths of the advantages of immigration were exposed. I accept that migrants often work hard and may be better qualified than native Britons (hardly a difficult achievement) but what proportion of their income is then sent home rather than circulated in the UK economy? How many immigrants are receiving benefits for themselves or their dependants out of all proportion to any contribution they may have made to the system? The Dutch are simply being pragmatic and should be applauded for that. As to the EU functionaries like Ms Reding, we should start telling them to listen to reason and remember that the tail does not wag the dog.
We see that it can be done. Go for it Mr. Cameron. Ignore that pathetic crowd that you have with you.
The great Euro political union dream being exposed once again for what it really has become...the great European Con.
Good on the Netherlands, a stand needs to be made against the EU empire building oligarchs, the system doesn't work, is overtly unequal, open to shocking abuse and run by the self serving. It stands for all thats rotten about present global politics. Do those in charge really believe that Europe is unable to run itself without big brother watching over.
At last the voice of reason. I hope Holland sticks to her guns and is not crushed by pressure from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. May this be the start of many more cracks in this charade of a United Europe turning into shattered Grecian urns.
Holland, as long as you remain in the EU, you will have no say in the matter. Remember it's all theatre, designed to appear that your government has a say in such matters.
Breach EU laws? From what I've read for years the EU would have been long dead in the water if they didn't do that all the time.
To hell with EU Laws. Since when does Britain have to comply with them? We have our own Parliament to make out own laws - OR DO WE? If not why do we waste all our hard earned keeping the mob and hangers on in the Palace of Westminster.?
As each country struggles with the influx of immigrants, the only people failing to understand it are the officials of the EU who dream up these liberal schemes and ignore the results. Continuing their dogmatic approach will lead to Europe wide problems. There is nothing wrong wanting people to learn the language where they are living....its how the country is run and how the laws are applied....
"All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." So they don't have the right to claim benefits in the host nation then.
Go for it Holland. At least yor government has some backbone unlike the British government which just has a yellow stripe.
Join them!
Well it seems Holland is getting its act together, are you reading this Mr Cameron.
At last, the voice of reason and common sense. Are you there Dave or would this be too much for Nick ?
I have an idea . All these foreign people who are here living on welfare coz the "cant" get a job . Send them to Brussels .They want to make the rules so they can have them .
When will these morons in charge of Europe forget their egos and understand that for the majority of Europeans from the countries who are net payers 'in to' the system, this project isn't working. Sure, if you're from a net receiver country and have seen vast amounts of cash pumped into your country, or you've taken the opportunity to move to a country with excellent healthcare, schools and benefits that you are now entitled to, then Project Europe works fine. Or if you're in charge of the project and your pay and perks insulates you from the madness engulfing the average Britain/Dutchman. Thankfully some countries are saying enough...the French to Tunisian/Arab immigrants, the Dutch to Polish unemployed, and the Brits to pretty much anything to do with Europe. Time to finally kill off this disaster I think.
Please please send them here....Dodgy Dave will welcome them with open arms.....
Perhaps the UK will have the guts to follow the Dutch example? Well, I can dream, can't I?
So the unelected EU are now THREATENING all member states, to comply with EU RULES about 'freedom of movement between member states'? OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T? Dutch minister Henk Kamp is merely being sensible and doing right by his people, that is admirable and I sincerely hope he stands by his word. I also hope we DO the same, for calm and collective defiance will weaken that damn Marxist EU to the point of its demise. How dare they start to threaten us all? We want to come out of that EU dictatorship Mr. Cameron!
I hope the Dutch stand their ground and thus set a precedent. They are only doing what other countries around the world are doing, anyway - look at the democratic, developed countries in the Far East - ALL of them have a "if you can't pay your way, you're out" system. Australia, America, Canada also have it... what is wrong with us???
Well done Holland......Hopefully you will follow through with these proposals... If only we had a government with the balls to stand up for our national interests .
This seems a perfectly reasonable step to take by the Dutch. If they have no job after 3 months and no prospects of work, why would they want to stay anyway, other than for benefits. The UK government should support this position and should take a similar position, I think the UK electorate would fully support this stance.
The EU will make their position loud and clear (looks like the EU military will get their first outing invading the Netherlands. Why cant we get some politicians that speak up for their own. No problem with Poles working here but if they cannot support themselves without benefits they should return, the same with all EU citizens it is what they would expect of us if Britain lived off their system.
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own.
Anyone know what they feed those strawberry plants in the picture? Liquid seaweed and Epson salts are magical, but these plants are extraordinary.
Bravo Holland! now, if we could just borrow your leaders to come and do the same over here...
Perhaps Mr,Mikolaj Dowgielewicz could tell us why they are leaving Poland in the first place.
Unlike the UK they have politicians there with a thing called a spine. They will carry it out regardless of what the EU says because it is for the benefit of their country which they put first and foremost. A pity our sad, sorry lot couldn't follow suit.
sounds a great idea and if it strains relationships so what?
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' Good, I hope it does - then our own government might actually find it within themselves to grow a pair and do likewise!
If Holland can do this, then it clearly shows that the UK has no guts to stand up to the EU
The Dutch were one of the first countries to join the common market. Now that it's become the EUSSR they want out. They're not the only ones. Even the French and Germans want out of this overblown monstrosity.
Just wait until Turkey gets membership; god knows what 'benefit' their membership will bring with them to the E.U. ? Being in the E.U. for the UK and most major countries such as Holland, Germany, France etc. in financial terms is like throwing a massive house party every week and ALL the poorer ' guests' consistently fail to turn up with a bottle.....but never leave the kitchen! Give us a referendum on E.U. membership so we can end this unelected madness.
"We are against discrimination against any European citizens......" What a load of absolute rubbish. Flooding western European countries with cheap eastern labour discriminates against our own citizens. It discourages businesses from training locals and is creating an unskilled population with all motivation kicked out of them.
Come on Daily Mail, its about time you joined the Express and called for a referendum on EU membership. The debate will make fantastic reporting and will give the people a voice. So come on Daily Mail... wheres that call for a peoples vote?
Oh I'm all for it...Holland sets the way...and the UK should follow it's lead ! Deport ALL foreigners period ! Britain for the British first and last ! Immigrants in a Country struggling with wars and too many economic, unemploment and crime problems...committed by foreigners...the UK does NOT need ! It's time for a government and parliament that pulled out ALL the stops and threw the lot of those useless, crime oriented, freeloader bums out and the hell with what the EU thinks !
So, even Holland, one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to immigration has at last had enough. Why is Britain so reluctant to take the action it needs to to protect itself against abuse. The pressure put on the NHS, schools and other public services by uncontrolled immigration is unsustainable.
I used to work for a while in Holland, specifically in a small town called Houten about 30 mins by train outside of Amsterdam. And I LOVE THE DUTCH. They were the friendliest, most accepting people to u English who were working in their country. I was there to do a job, I did it and then I left. If I'd had gotten injured then my flight home would have been covered under the travel insurance that I paid for. In short - you want to come to Britain, bring wither money or insurance. Dont turn up empty handed.
A collision with the EU.... countries like Holland, France Germany & Britain are the EU.... lets get real without these main players/payers... there would be no EU. I admire Holland's stance
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' There's freedom of movement and then there's stupid un common sense that says someone that doesn't speak the local language can wander into the country, NOT WORK and still collect benefits!! The dutch have the right idea. Pity we have spineless wimps that can only talk the talk as our "leaders"
So, The Netherlands is getting sensible on immigration issues, as France and Denmark have been. Will Britain follow suit? I doubt it, our politicians are far too stupid to use any common-sense.
Shock horror. What about the babies who were born in Holland and therefore have the right to stay there?
If foreign nationals are unemployed their own govt should pay benefits at the home country rate ,through the host country.If that amount has to be topped up then Brussells should pay the host country out of EU funds.
Send them to Belgium and let the EU deal with them directly. GB should be doing the same. Deport those who are not wiling to work but still collecting obscene benefits along with those who are unable to find jobs and don't speak the language. We should have some basic rules here.
Quite right, Holland!
> He also plans to withhold welfare benefits from people who do not speak Dutch. Don't you need to be able to speak German in Austria to qualify for welfare? Shouldn't we be copying them?
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' Good, I hope it does. "Freedom of movement" completely destroys culture and community and leads directly to terrorism and revolution. You only have to look at the profound mess the UK is in to understand that.
We should be taking the same approach as at the Dutch. Good for them.
I think that Mr. Kamp has valid points. The Dutch are now showing their teeth as they have had enough too. As for it would also stop free movement. I say bring it on. I would rather have very strict border controls on the Island we live on, than the amount of foreign criminals we have who have basically just walked in to carry on their enterprises somewhere else. We can count them in and out again with positive ID checks. As for the EU saying that all members states are equal and the rules transparent.
3 Cheers for Henk Kamp. If anyone from any country goes to another country for work, but can't find it, then it's time to for them to pack their bags and leave, NO IF'S, NO BUTS.... Every government should put THEIR OWN people first, Only now are people realising the devastation that the EU are doing with their freedom of movement for Europeans. The NHS, Schools,Benefits System,Jobs, Wages and Housing but to name a few have all suffered immensely because of EU dictators. The sooner the EU collapses the better.
'Jobs the Dutch won't do'? 95% of these picking and bulb farming jobs *were* done by the Dutch until the A8 countries joined, just as 95% of warehouse jobs in Britain were done by the British. So now the British 'don't want to do the jobs the Polish do', and the Dutch are the same? I don't think so. These are jobs the employers don't want the British or Dutch to do.
Well done the Dutch, it should be copied here.
AT LAST A COUNTRY WITH A BACK BONE WE SHOULD COME OUT OF THE EU IT IS BLEEDING THE COUNTRY DRY. CAMERON AND CLEGG ARE ALSO BRINGING THE COUNTRY TO ITS KNEES. I THANK GOD THAT I AM ON MY WAY OUT OF THIS WORLD,AND NOT ON MY WAY IN.THE CUTS TO THE NHS ARE DIABOLICAL
I will vote for that...........come on Dave.................support the Dutch and extend it to all the other NHS and benefit scroungers here in the UK that I am paying for through my taxes.
I'm liking the Netherlands more each day. All of Europe needs a common sense, secure, safe immigration policy.
..well done Holland a step in the right direction..oh!.. & screw 'the EU rule book' it has NO validity 'till we (in the UK) get the long promised referendum on our 'position' of being dictated to by these over-paid/gravy-train, un-elected,self-serving champaign socialists!..don't hold yer breath for our useless lib/lab//con excuse for a govt. to grow a backbone & follow suit..however i recommend voting a UKIP govt. in to sort this long festering big problemo!
When its the french or the germans the "rulebook" is sidestepped. When it comes to bailing our crippled economies, which is against the rules, the rules are ignored The British people were robbed of their say in being a part of this communistic state Until they are given a say the money going to the EU is theft and our politicians are committing a treason against the people they are supposedly elected to represent
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a country trying to protect it's own culture, heritage, language etc. Pity Britain could not do the same, we would have more employment for Brits and less burden on our social system, but alas our polititions are too gutless to ever make a stance like this.
If Mr Kamp wanted to be our head of government we would welcome him with open arm's. See Dave he has a pair, unlike you.
Doooooo it!!!
The EU is a con, a farce, and one of the most corrupt organisations in the West today. We ALL need to stand up to it, and can begin by supporting the Dutch.
brilliant...........lets do it in england
The Dutch seem to have the right idea. Why can't we mimic this?
some one ....who has some balls for a change
Lead the way Holland!
Holland has a government with balls. Pity we don't. Leave the EU now and get back our freedom.
Slowly but surely the EU is starting to unravel, and hopefully the end is in sight. Oh Happy Days.!!! If we had politicians with any backbone we could hasten the end of the nightmare.
Good for Holland, putting their Citizens first. I hope it catches on.
Well done Holland - now it's time for other countries to do the same. Taking this action does not stop 'freedom of movement - FOR WORK - within the EU. There is no reason why those who are not Dutch citizens should be allowed to claim the welfare benefits on offer to the Dutch citizens who have PAID into the system. This is simply common-sense. If the Poles in Holland can't find work - then they should return to Poland. They should not be allowed to remain - NOT WORKING - but claiming from the Dutch system. It is a very important move by Holland; it is one that should be taken by every sovereign country in the EUSSR. If you are not a citizen of a host country, and you are not working and cannot support yourself - then you should return home, and not be a drain on the host country. There is nothing in making such a decision that contravenes the 'freedom of movement' within the EUSSR.
Well done Holland, just wish we had someone with guts here.
Glad to know it's not just us. And no benefits for people who don't speak the language - UK please take note!
We ll have some of that here, please
WELL DONE THAT MAN!
Have you seen this Dave?, someone with B**l"s for a change, doing what it's people wish. So why can't you?.
Have you seen this Dave?, someone with B**l"s for a change, doing what it's people wish. So why can't you?.
Poland fears other countries may follow the Dutch example. ============== Don't worry, I know one country that won't.
f that doesn't work then pass a law that only pays the same benefits as they would receive in their home country. That's what the US does to stop people from traveling from state to state trying to find better benefits. We need to do something fast, as other EU countries go down the debt trail, more of the citizens are coming here for the free lunch. I know several from Spain are heading here to live on jobseekers and housing benfits
Lets hope this is the start of a break up of the EU
Mr Cameron - take note! Some governments put their own country first! Why don't you try it.
"'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' " _________________________________________________________________Good.
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws.
I have a question. Why would the Dutch, English, German hard working taxpayers will pay (social benefits) for people not from their country? If they dont find work and cant support themselves then they can claim benefits in their OWN county. We will not pay for them...........
And why not it makes sense. Hopefully the UK will follow and the EU will get the message.
Good on the Dutch, shame we don't stick two fingers up to the eu and do the same.
Employers tell us, ad nauseum, that the Brits have no work ethics, that is why they employ eastern europeans. Are we then to assume that the Dutch are similarly afflicted?
When Germany wakes up to its guest workers perhaps the UK will do something about all of there's. The French don't have quite the same problem as if you don't speak French there are no alternatives and handouts are for the French only, that's why they send them on to England.
Good for Holland ..With a bit of luck many many others will join the crusade and get each and every country out of this corrupt circusand bring the whole corrupt money pit crumblingdown . I just hope I live to see the day...
Every 'intelligent' person in Europe needs to bury the EU, and go back to being individual sovereign states and end this anti-democratic communist cesspit for good!
Well done at least one lot of Europeans appear to have a sense of fairness and some guts to tell brussels to sod off.
I think you will find that a majority of western europe citizens will not find this proposal "worrying".
At last a European country led by people with intelligence. I hope Cameron is following this story and has the nerve to do the same.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty.........
It seems that when you abide by the rules the EU redifine them without any democratic decision making process taking place.
the commissioner warned and added: 'All member states are equal and the rules are transparent.' If this is true, why do other EU countries funnel all the migrants (many from their own ex colonies) into Britain. We are then forced to abide by EU legislation while the other EU countries criticize us if we complain that our own people are being pushed to the back of the queue. If all countries are equal, why do British citizens have to prove that they can support themselves in other EU countries, whereas we are apparently breaking the rules if we suggest other EU citizens should do the same? If we are all equal, why can students from the EU get EU grants to attend UK universities, whereas British students cannot get grants to attend EU universities? The list of unequalities is endless
Brilliant idea. Good work Netherlands. Also, 'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' GOOD.
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' with a bit of luck.....
!0 years , out in 4, and then they are going straight , yea right. And to make matters worse we cannot deport them , and we will have to supply them with a house & benefits , and a car and free everything and ...................
where are we going to get out of trhe EU and start seting up proper borders again, and for the Eatern pack countries to need to have visas? Politicians are a total waste of time.
remember that it was Tony Blair who championed the invitation to lots of bankrupt east European states to join EU. It was his dream and now others have to pick up the pieces
Our borders are open for day-tripping criminals. Labour, and its voters, must be proud.
The "benefits" of belonging to the EU-SSR and its "open door immigration" policy! When will our cretinous MPs realise that the safety and security of their constituents take priority over any pie-in-the-sky European integration wet dream?
Hopefully they will put in a claim for their Human Rights soon.
another reason to get out of the EU,when is the referendum then?
Come one, come all. It's enough to make you spit - although I'm sure I could get arrested for that.
Wonderful open borders,leadind to a multicultural criminal free for all in this country of ours.Very sad is it not.
"used cheap seats to commute to UK for raids" Did anyone expect they went in first class, honestly? That would eat the "profit". Anyway, jail for all the scumbags.
there you are Davie and Nick - you are the ones welcoming these bandits into our country
Good old (NEW)Labour what a legacy you have left behind.Traitors all of YOU!!
Criminal 'Jeux Sans Frontieres'! What else should we expect from a Europe under the control of a corrupt EU government? A custodial sentence of only 10 years is not a sufficient punishment or deterrent for determined criminals like this. Life at hard labour would be more like it, loaded with solitary confinement for non-working hours.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
Thats because we are the low waged tin bashing capitol of europe. Maggie Thatcher did away with our major industries in favour of the City of London, this was continued by Tony Blair. Today manufacturing industry is a dirty word to our politicians.
It is the law now that employers have to give workers four weeks holiday per year if they are on a regular contract.
It's Thatcher's legacy. Employers, always looking to cut costs, will hire the cheapest labour. If Thatcher hadn't destroyed the unions Brits would have had somebody looking out for them. Instead all that matters now is the employers profits. Loadsamoney!
yup but the Uk is the only country in the World where work is entirely discretionary and of course its quite socially acceptable to be on "Benefits" - catch22 , Poole, 11/4/2013 13:49 It's the only country in the world where workers are sacked or made redundant, and then get blamed for being unemployed when their are no jobs to replace those lost. There's a spiteful spirit in this country, with the powerful and greedy using the weak and poor to hide their avariciousness.
why i should give a job for lazy and complaining brit if somebody can do this same better faster and with appreciation that have a job
That's because other countries leaders look out for their own people, our politicians have sold us out and then attempt to deflect criticism by insisting it's EU regulations or globalisation. The money wasted on A4e, Serco, Capita, Atos etc (whose results or worse than doing nothing at all) would habe been better spent funding decent training and creating jobs.
Could be something to do with the unions twiddling their thumbs while industries fired British workers and hired cheaper labour from abroad, who were prepared to take less than minimum wage - as long as they didn't have to pay taxes. British citizens lose both ways...... no jobs and no taxes to pay for unemployment benefits - sandy , rottendale, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 13:07=========== You can thank Maggie for having useless, inept unions, she was the one who wanted them destroyed, she did a good job on them dont you think.
Why do people still blame Blair? It's got worse since the ConLib, why don't they change anything? UKIP will...
Its because Governments of other countries look after their own first, unlike Britian, where the natives are the bottom of the pile for everything.
The reason for this statistic is that people who are from the Netherlands, Germany and Finland are far better educated in the State sector than our people are.
@elaine , when british people sold the big issue a few years ago it was to help them because they were homless and jobless , now all the people who sell the big issue are from eastern europe. they are classed as self employed and can claim loads of benifi
yup but the Uk is the only country in the World where work is entirely discretionary and of course its quite socially acceptable to be on "Benefits"
you seem to know a lot about him. How do you know he was "probably" born here and still paying UK taxes. I'm sick of these ex pats telling us what to do and how to it without having the courage of their convictions by coming back and actually standing up and be counted if they see something wrong with the running of this country. I wonder if he is as brave in his political outspokenness where he lives now ! He would soon be shipped back here if he was. PS I vote UKIP ! - Geoff , Guildford>>>>----- You're wrong Geoff, Ron and I had the courage of our convictions to LEAVE the UK, as we could see what was happening to the changing culture of Blighty. When you live there, perhaps you can't see the forest for the trees. Stand back.....and you too will see! (BTW....I was born there, but don't pay UK taxes.....no UK income)
More anti-British propaganda. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing it!! We are constantly discriminated against in our own country and there's no 'hate crime' for us, no protection, we're treated appallingly in our own country.
ALL other countries in the EU favour their own nationals FIRST as you would expect , the only place in the EU this doesn't happen is here in the UK with British employers quite happy to sing the praises of ex-communist countries & their workers skills, skills that were provided under a communist system, a system that businesses here would never tolerate or prosper under. It's a shame we haven't got a system here that trains all school leavers for a trade but I guess we would need to be living under a communist system for that to happen. right ?
Could be something to do with the unions twiddling their thumbs while industries fired British workers and hired cheaper labour from abroad, who were prepared to take less than minimum wage - as long as they didn't have to pay taxes. British citizens lose both ways...... no jobs and no taxes to pay for unemployment benefits
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here ! - Geoff , Guildford, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:36****Don't show your ignorance Geoff ! Ron was probably born here so it is his country too and will probably still be paying tax on his pension investments etc. I think that entitles him to a say. - Urban Legend, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 9:10 +++++++++++++++++++++ you seem to know a lot about him. How do you know he was "probably" born here and still paying UK taxes. I'm sick of these ex pats telling us what to do and how to it without having the courage of their convictions by coming back and actually standing up and be counted if they see something wrong with the running of this country. I wonder if he is as brave in his political outspokenness where he lives now ! He would soon be shipped back here if he was. PS I vote UKIP !
Factories and warehouses in the UK are now more akin to a Gulag.
Unfortunately thanks to shake ups in education and free university and a lenient benefits system we have a generation that expect either a management role on big money or free cash on benefits - - Andy, Chelmsford, 11/4/2013 9:04 Andy, please don't tar an entire generation with the same brush, please. After getting my degree in English, I applied for every single job I was remotely qualified for in Greater Manchester (cleaner, waitress, barista, all sorts) to avoid living off benefits. (Although, having paid into the system for years, I would have definitely taken something back, had it come to that.) I didn't care what job I had, as long as I had one.
In other similar countries such as France, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, people still have decent well-paid jobs, the sort that have gone and are still going in the UK as international no-care business tramples on rights and lives for more profit, backed by an uncaring Conservative regime. This is NOT the fault of British people.
Do you think UKIP will make things better??YOU still believe that pigs fly?NO ONE will make things better,it's all politics END OF STORY.
That's because in other European countries they put their own people first. Ours go to the back of the queue. Quite disgraceful
when british people sold the big issue a few years ago it was to help them because they were homless and jobless , now all the people who sell the big issue are from eastern europe. they are classed as self employed and can claim loads of benifits for themselves and their large families .dont knock the british
For the record I am British and took a job for three years at minimum wage. The only reason I could afford to live was because I walked the 1.7 miles to the job and back again, saving the bus fare. No national insurance paid at that level of pay but I persevered with it. Do not call all British people lazy.
I have worked alongside Polish people whilst cleaning. They are no different in their working practices than British people. Not harder working or less. The only difference is they speak to each other in Polish.
Britain is a paradise for those who won't not can't pay a living wage, full stop. Some in business are every bit scrounges as those on the dole, they get the tax payer to pay their wage bill by deliberately paying a disgusting wage that no one in full time employment could possibly live on. And there lies the problem, it isn't benefits that are to high it's wages that are far to low.
The Germans, The Dutch, The Spanish DO lean favourably towards their own when it comes to employing people and little is ever said about it. However you can bet your sweet life that if Britain started doing that then THE INTERFERING EU WOULD SOON BE JUMPING ON OUR BACKS SHOUTING DISCRIMINATION.
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
Of course!!!they would work for pounds an hour
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
Only UKIP will take on this problem, you have solution in your own hands voting sheep. - nanuk of the north, Morpeth England, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 7:58 I READ THIS TYPE OF COMMENT REGULARLY IN THESE COLUMNS. BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF UKIP IS NOTHING MORE THAN 1 MAN (NIGEL FARAGE) & 1 POLICY????? FALSE HOPE FOR BRITISH PEOPLE?
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 Oh the irony.................. I presume you live in Thailand??? Where's your sense of loyalty then?? What if the Thai had the same attitude to all our old codgers who prey on their young female population??? Idiot!!
In all honesty, a lot of people are not employable. They have no discipline, scruffy appearance, no qualifications from school, poor timekeeping, cannot spend one minute without texting, and have no basic manners. If I ran a business, I would want someone with enough social skills not to embarrass my company image.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work !- Mjcuk4, Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 7:53.....I totally agree if you are referring to MP's and bankers. They get paid for doing nothing.
WHAT A SURPISE!
For all those "put low wage higher" - yeah, it should be done as a minimum £20 an hour. I wonder how many months till UK would hit Greece and Cyprus level. Some people commenting here just can't be more dumber.
Child benefits and tax credits claimed in this country are worth much more in their own countries as is UK min wage. The cost of living in eastern europe is much lower, so it makes sense for them to work for a couple of years, live in overcrowded conditions and send their money home where the pound goes much further, they don't mind doing this because it's not forever. Unlike UK citizens who will never be able to afford their own home and are trapped in low wage high rent poverty.
Another poll that will no doubt help accelerate our race to the bottom.
Because min wage can buy them a nice house back home that's why.
Then it is evident that there must be a large degree of deliberate DISCRIMINATION going on...........which is illegal.......................even when the victims are BRITISH..............
Stop paying benefits. Then people would have to find or make a job to earn enough to live on. The standard of living would drop then people would start living in the real world. Benefits are Blairs curse on Britain. Why should tax payers support the bone idle and the worlds trailer trash.
Try living on £6.19 an hour! Paying council tax, mortgage/rent, sky high utilities & they live thirty to a caravan, no wonder they can survive!!!!
Probably true judging by the clearly jobless yobs breaking shop windows in celebration of an old lady's death.
Because we are lazy!
I used to run a car wash owned by Poles the Poles have been replaced with Rumanians, I now use a car wash owned by a local who employs locals its more expensive but better I think!
It is too easy to do nothing in this country. Less benefits will persuadfe the workshy to get a job and contribute instead of taking.
I used to employ an Polish Girl, She was a great worker fitted in well with the other staff and worked hard, I think they moan less and work harder than Brits. It is more a shame what our work force have become that their own wont employ them
As usual the good old British Establishment game of cheap labour from abroad without the slightest concern for social cohesion.
@db , essex: "Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs."? But that would imply a central-controlled economy. You live in a capitalist society. For decades, your politicians have been telling us that we're fighting for capitalism and freedom, again
UKIP UKIP UKIP!!!!! That is all I have to say on the matter
@db , essex: "Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs."? But that would imply a central-controlled economy. You live in a capitalist society. For decades, your politicians have been telling us that we're fighting for capitalism and freedom, again
You have to know one thing. One day our company employed 16 Britons. They were paid 7.08 ph so not very low. And you know what? 12 of them did not come to work next day and never came back, 4 of them came but at the end of the day only one left. So don't say if you will be given job, you will work!!!
they will live 10 to a house,sleeping in shifts and work for minimum wages.they seem to live on red bull, beer and smuggled polish cigarettes.- enemde , corby, 11/4/2013 09:25 -------So basically you're saying they're willing to live to their limited means AND try to save money for back home? Show me one Briton that is willing to work for little, share their homes with strangers and give up their big TV, their cars, their booze. People here are spoiled rotten and do not realise the good times are over!
Explain that one, you lazy welfare scroungers.
Explain that one, you lazy welfare scroungers.
Hardly surprising.There have now been several generations of ' dumbing down ' the general quality of education in this country.Labour were behind it and originated it,the great inexplicable tragedy is that the Conservatives allowed it to continue when they were in office.When meeting and talking to younger people nowadays,including graduates,the lack of breadth of their knowledge and understanding is frightening.
Most of the jobs taken by east eurpoeans are low quality factory positions in the food producing sectors sourced through greedy emplyment agencies who themselves are on the same scale as parasitic estate agents and car/insurance salesmen etc. They are treated in most cases like slave labour and have to work long hours. Most Brits wouldn't register with emplyment agencies as they would end up earning less than their benefits. They are usually only taking jobs that Brits won't do because of the low pay and long hours.
Lazy Brits don't want to do low waged jobs. Main reason.
The cost of living for people from Eastern Europe in the UK is far less than for the indigenous population who most likely have an expensive mortgage or rent to pay and a family to support at UK cost of living levels, whereas they are probably earning 4 or 5 times what they would in their home country and are supporting their families at the lower cost of living of their home country as well.
If anything is making britain less "great" then its the medias fantasy world that so many fools believe in.
Let's not forget that government figures give £50 Million a year in Child Benefit is going out of the country, that is disgusting , needs to be resolved, that money would do a lot for Nurses , Servicemen and women and education.
i wonder if it is to do with the benefits culture in britain today, get paid more to stay at home, and produce babies conveyor fashion to boost the household income
Yes, the people that work in the pubs only get min wage. I find that horrible. Especially as they work their pants off. And there are lots of people from abroad working in the pubs too. Also as many people get benefits they don't need to work. Anyway, I am voting UKIP next time. I have had enough of this useless government who are just all mouth and no trousers.
My wife is trying to recruit FT Mon-Fri roles in an office. The quality of English applicants is appalling, forget the basics, of good spelling, grammar and able to get through an interview. This lot can't dress properly for an interview, turn up on time for training or even make it through an 8 hour day without doing something stupid. Nothing to do with foreigners, it's the poor quality of English applicants that's the problem.
British bosses love the low wages and lack of knowledge of working rights they get away with by using foreign workers, This has resulted in a lowering of employment rights for all, Bosses always loved a pool of unemployed workers outside the factory gates. I know people who have to work a system that gives them 30 minutes notice to get to a warehouse for unreliable contract work, Thirties employment conditions are making a welcome reappearance. For the employers , that is!
Why do we kid ourselves in believing we have a border agency.
Funny how i remember our vegetables got picked before the influx of cheaper Labour,Also remeber the British travelling 6ooo miles to win a WAR without Eastern European help
Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs.
Once again my previous comment was not posted - whats the matter DM scared to print the truth?
Lots of comments about how people from abroad will live on lower wages, with more people living together. This is how I started out. A low level job, sharing a room in a shared flat. I worked my way up from there. It would seem that the idea of doing this now, for many British people, is anathema. They would rather live on benefits. - minxstar, Inthecountry, 11/04/2013 07:58 Same here and for goodness sake, don't ask them to walk or take a bus to a place of employment. God forbid that they must commute! Whatever next? Packing up your own sandwich for lunch...shock horror.
UKIP,UKIP,UKIP all the way
This is so very true. I am in my early 50s been looking for work for 2 years. Before you jump on me I do not claim anything, My Husband supports me we rent privately and it's a struggle. We have been on the housing list for 2 years, but now the new localism act has come in we have been removed. I am really frightened and worried all the time. But I suppose when we retire they will pay our rent . In the mean time if my Landlord wants to sell their property we have to move on. Meaning we have to start again with big deposits for the letting agents whom rip you off. What's the point. I am sure it's because they need the properties for the new incoming people in 2014. Sometimes I got to bed at night I wish I would not wake up. All I want is a job and a place to call home.
Who cares! Get out of the cesspit of england and enjoy the gift of life.
Can't even hire people in this country to pick salad leaves! Some people will always be lazy, feckless and workshy.
Labour have done more harm to this country than what Maggie ever did. They will probably blame her for this mess too. We need to get out of Europe folks! UKIP
And do you think for one moment our inept bunch of spivs in power or the bosses of industry are bothered as cheap wages equals more profits for the already bloated - J B E, SN UK NOT THE EU, 11/04/2013 09:16 GOT IT IN ONE !!!!!!
The problem is in part the welfare system we have that does help people to work. There also another issue that needs to be addressed. I have a house in Spain and intend retiring in Spain one day. However, I have been told and found to be true that the Spanish will not employ a non Spaniard unless they really have to. That is irregardless of EU law. Its the same old story, the UK abides by the EU laws while the rest of the EU picks and chooses. Also in Spain (and I agree with this) If one does not speak Spanish one will not be employed. We should do the same. Glen .... Southampton.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work ! - Mjcuk4 , Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 07:53 NO YOU IDIOT WE HAVE MASSIVE COSTS OF LIVING TO PAY UNLIKE YOU LOT WHO RENT A HOUSE WITH TWENTY OF YOU PAYING THE RENT BETWEEN YOU AND THEN SENDING ALL YOUR MONEY HOME THUS TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF THE SYSTEM THIS GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT JUST TO GAIN VOTES NOW LISTEN!!! THIS COUNTRY IS FINNISHED!!!!!!!!!!- scaredtomentionit , bournemouth, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:43---------------------You have hit the nail right on the head and I can't believe that nobody else can see that. My aunt lives in Hereford and she said there is at least 6 houses in one road crammed with Poles who go fruit picking all day and congregate in Tesco during the evening to pick up bread for 5p a loaf and other food that's been reduced.
I won't employ them!
they will live 10 to a house,sleeping in shifts and work for minimum wages.they seem to live on red bull, beer and smuggled polish cigarettes.
thank you, previous generations. well done.
Only because this Government allows it
If British people had the chance to have a job, they would take it to help their families in the UK. But the jobs are already taken and the money is being spent overseas for other families outside the UK
And do you think for one moment our inept bunch of spivs in power or the bosses of industry are bothered as cheap wages equals more profits for the already bloated
I worked in a hotel and the new Head Housekeeper was Polish-shortly afterwards all the Room Attendants were Polish. In addition the Ops Manager was Portuguese and shortly after all the breakfast staff, bar staff and reception staff were replaced with Portuguese. And the the HR manager left and was succeeded by a Polish woman. Suffice to say working conditions declined as the staff were bullied, abused and not told of their rights and over time the English people became the minority. . . . . .and this is just in one hotel. Of course being on a zero hours contract meant that if anyone complained, they're hours were immediately cut.
That may change once the Welfare Reforms have had chance to take hold?
Of course the Europeans have more jobs, because most of them get cash in hand. Not many Brits will take these jobs, if it's not cash in hand they get paid wages below the minimum wage. So they can have these none jobs.
Of course the Europeans have more jobs, because most of them get cash in hand. Not many Brits will take these jobs, if it's not cash in hand they get paid wages below the minimum wage. So they can have these none jobs.
This is not news. Anybody in the UK looking for work knows this is a fact.
its only 7% what what about the other 93%? dont tell me claiming benifits
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here ! - Geoff , Guildford, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:36****Don't show your ignorance Geoff ! Ron was probably born here so it is his country too and will probably still be paying tax on his pension investments etc. I think that entitles him to a say.
Why haven't you posted my comment? too close to the truth eh? or doesn't it toe the party line?
look up the committee of 300. one of the steps to a new world order is to destroy national identity.
UKIP UKIP
rubish utter rubish. our country is full, our system is overloaded, we concrete over the land and we end up with floods because the water has no where to go
Obvious really - even the most menial job in Britain [topped up with benefits] is more than most of these people would earn in their home countries. Many are content to live in a box in order to make money to send home.
hi,STOP GIVING ALL THE JOBS AWAY WHAT THE BRITISH SHOULD BE GETTING,CLOSE THE DOORS,SEAL THE BORDERS,WE ARE RULED BY MUPPETS,OUR YOUNG ARE GETTING SHAFTED BY THESE INSANE POLICIES,WHEN HAS ANY GOOD COME OUT OF GIVING AWAY WHAT LITTLE JOBS WE HAVE DONE,SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN
Our politicians hate their own people. When jobs advertised requires ability speak Polish what do you expect??
Lots of comments about how people from abroad will live on lower wages, with more people living together. This is how I started out. A low level job, sharing a room in a shared flat. I worked my way up from there. It would seem that the idea of doing this now, for many British people, is anathema. They would rather live on benefits.
my wife is a manager in the nhs about 18 months ago she took on 8 staff for new posts she was so fed up with 30 to 40 year olds all educated under a tory government who let her down so many times she made a decision to employ younger applicants if they were suitable it could not have worked out better in 7 of the 8 it was their first job everyone of them has been a success,attendance records excellent work ethic excellent standard of work excellent ,1 has already gone on to better things in the hospital,not one of them has let her down now here is a fact the government wont like everyone is english everyone was educated entirely under a labour government .But and this she never fails to tell me ,how many firms would take on youngsters when this government repeatdly refers to them as skivers,unemployable,lazy,uneducated,sleeping behind drawn curtains,need i go on
Methinks sweeping floors and cleaning cars in Tesco carparks would not pay the British Mortgage!!
Is this because many businesses can pay them less than the minimum wage and no holiday pay ?
I remember somtime ago hearing a politician saying British jobs for British workers , what he failed to say was unless it could be filled by anyone from the eu or anywere else, as long as they are prepaired to work for less. lets see all of our politicians take a pay cut, and lead by example. after all we are all in this together our' we not.
I remember somtime ago hearing a politician saying British jobs for British workers , what he failed to say was unless it could be filled by anyone from the eu or anywere else, as long as they are prepaired to work for less. lets see all of our politicians take a pay cut, and lead by example. after all we are all in this together our' we not.
UKIP are the ONLY party that have the will and backing of the people to put this once great country back on track, read the comments over the last few months and it shows people are losing patience with the established mainstream incumbents and incompetent ditherers.
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most british people want to work and work hard but there is such a bias against british workers eg london bus drivers were sourced in poland yes there is a pocket of people who are happy on benifits not just british ,but from other countries as well but british people are hard workers and are willing to do any job lets offer the jobs to british first instead of putting us down .
One of the reasons for this is unscrupulous employers who offer very poor wages and conditions. Having said that the work ethos amongst some brits is absolutely appalling but given what they can claim from the state in handouts, what do you expect.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work ! - Mjcuk4 , Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 07:53 NO YOU IDIOT WE HAVE MASSIVE COSTS OF LIVING TO PAY UNLIKE YOU LOT WHO RENT A HOUSE WITH TWENTY OF YOU PAYING THE RENT BETWEEN YOU AND THEN SENDING ALL YOUR MONEY HOME THUS TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF THE SYSTEM THIS GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT JUST TO GAIN VOTES NOW LISTEN!!! THIS COUNTRY IS FINNISHED!!!!!!!!!!
...continued, anyway because we had been on JSA for more than 6 months both our claims moved over to Income based rather than contributions based. Which meant our claim was joint. So the £780.00 we got (£400 JSA was joint). The £380 we got from housing benefit was going to be stopped as my partner had work even though it was part time and as he was working even though it was part time he was expected to pay my rent as he is my partner. So his job was around £5.25 an hour and he was going to be given about 20 hours a week, which means no extra help from JSA or housing benefit. So even though he had managed to get a part time job our new financial situation was £200 a month for my JSA, NO housing benefit entitlement and £5.25 x 20 hours a week for my partner at tesco and NO JSA. That comes to £620.00 a month, which made us worse off by £160.00 so we could barely survive that left us with £25 each a week for food and toiletries. Unfortunately due to these circumstances he had to leave...
They are prepared to live three and four in a single grotty bedsit though.
Just proves that the British are too lazy to work.
A warped report. In construction prices where dropped in readiness for the influx of cheap labour, if you didn't like it, leave. Firms started up with low prices in readiness.They are only doing the lowest paid jobs because the bosses have dropped the prices. Local job centres stopped letting locals search for construction jobs a couple of years ago to make room for them. That seems to be coming to an end now but the clients are still expecting a cheap job because they reckon we've a load of cheap labour wandering about. The rush is on now to train a load of apprentices before we run out of skilled workers, the one's sent off into call centres etc by the job centre can't be tempted back. And as soon as Johny and his chums have finished their new roofs and windows at home, sank a few more wells and installed solar panels, they are off home permanently . Apparently it's far too expensive to live here.
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here !
so ukip were right all along. !!
We need to force English scroungers into work. These British scroungers are NOT too good to clean or do shop work. They must be forced to work. There are jobs out there but they just don't want to do them.
It's unfortunate to say but Britons are lazy. I run a business where start times are sometime 4-5am. Try getting a Briton to wake up early, you can forget it. They do t want to know, rather stay in bed and claim benefits. I now employ from other countries, staff are much more flexible and times are never an issue.
- johninkermen , Lincoln, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 07:44 If you are right I have to agree as you seem to be a prime example!!
The most worrying thing about this is the fact the British government is so complacent about it all. Doesn't anybody in power care about this situation?
Most countries dont have the Equality Act which promotes the hiring of minorities over English males!
You Can Put All Ths Right, Simply By Voting UKIP, The LibLabCon, Only Represent the EU Menace !
Its all down to the lefts divide and conquer philosophy which they started when in power, their main aim to destroy the British and all we stand for as it is a view abhorrent to them.
Hardly a surprise, they are all too busy rioting and dancing on graves to do an honest days work....
The benefits are to good,so why work.
Ours youngsters are too busy rioting because they can't find jobs
"NORFACE receives core funding under the European Union¿s ERA-NET scheme (since 2004)." Say no more!
I passed a Polish Shop recently and on the window it had the word VACANCY. When I looked at the job being offered it was all in Polish.
I wish you'd make up your minds. Are they hard-working job-stealers or lazy scroungers? Tell me what to think and I will think it.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the lucrative benefit system Labour set up to ensure a voting pool would it?.
Unfortunately thanks to shake ups in education and free university and a lenient benefits system we have a generation that expect either a management role on big money or free cash on benefits. Young people are 'too good' for the low paid roles as it'll hurt their image (chavs). At least uni fees will stop the no-hopers getting a degree in something worthless (fasion etc) and we''ll get a tiered workforce again. Just need to force jobs on the terminal benefit takers...
Only UKIP will take on this problem, you have solution in your own hands voting sheep.
"English is the language of the world" and with this kind of boast there is always a price to pay.
Thank you BLAIR
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work !
vote ukip
Look at the UN tables of countries by education levels. The reason is obvious. The last government greately dumbed down education, burying teachers with statistics, equal right (no student may come top) MY question is WHY? Could it be, that by bringing in higher educated workforce with a natural left leaning, coupled with a lowly educated UK population with a left leaning, they would ensure their own jobs?
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country.
Ouch.
Whew. Very bad disinformation. Ours is the only country advertising thousands of jobs in other countries while not offering them to Britiosh nationals. The conclusions are simple, direct, and clear. The British establishment is the primary enemy of British people. By the way, the same report that informed of BritGov treachery against our people also notes that France offers vacancies to its own citizens and does not offer all vacancies to foreign labour. As a representative Government should. Be nice to finally get to the last verse of the "Masque of Anarchy".
Are you surprised Labour made it better for many to live on benifits.
OK, I am a Romanian who has been living and working in the UK for ten years, paying taxes and trying to live as any other decent British citizen. I am as angry as you, the Brits are at hearing this. Firstly because these 'so-called' Romanians are building a wrong image about my country and its people. Secondly, because I know that they are abusing the laws of this country and taking advantage of the taxes I have been paying and working hard for over the last ten years. I love the British spirit of always helping the underprivileged and I learned a lot from it but I don't like when it is abused by some people who just don't want to work for their living. They have been doing the same thing for years- even during the communist era.. organizing gangs & sent their children to beg on trains from one city to another. After 89 they moved from one country to another to just abuse the benefit system. First, Germany, then France, Italy, Spain and now UK. I wish British politicians would wake-up
This and previous governments love to apologise for things that have happened years ago, will tony Blair do the same now.
I have complained to the Big Issue. No reply so far but hopefully this will finish the magazine as it is now being sold under a completely different criteria. If you don't like what you have read, don't buy off a Romanian. Better still, don't buy it at all. This will enforce the Big Issue to rethink on its recruitment guidelines. As for the Romanians, this is just the tip of the iceberg and none should be receiving benefits at all. Remember who to vote for if you want this to end. It is going to get a lot, lot worse and soon there will be nothing left for our kids when they leave school to find work as it is not just the Big Issue that is being swallowed up. Remember this when you can't get treatment in hospitals, a place for your kid in the local schools, housing from the local council and a large family has just broken into your house claiming squatters rights and no help from the law. VERY VERY ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!! - Tony, Brecon, 22/01/2012 07:59 Very well said!!
Will someone please get us out of the EU. Then we can put up the barricades (assuming the border agency are capable of doing that of course). Then we can get this country back to something we can be proud of... if its not too late already
So as well as ripping the backside out of this country, these Romanians are now even depriving our homeless people a chance of making a few quid to survive!!.These people would pick your nose if you were'nt looking. Jesus Christ !!! how much longer are we going to have to put up with these parasites taking this country for a ride. As each day goes by i read more and more articles like this and get even more angrier, All three main Political parties have failed this country over recent years so now time for another party to have a stab at it, Come on UKIP, nows your chance!!, you can't do any worse!
Ok then!!! No one buy a big issue till this gets sorted....,
There not all Roma, the one near us is Eastern European, sit's outside waitrose most of the time, untill around 5pm, when he's often seen being picked up by a woman who drives a nearly new car. So someone's doing allright. He never gets a sale out of me and it annoys me when I see other people buying from him
another thing is has anyone else noticed that they appear to be either very good or awful at playing the accordion?..there are loads up this way.
It's the same situation where I live, I've seen the same guy on the same corner every Saturday morning for the last three years, now it looks like his wife and son have joined him too........I don't mind helping out genuine homeless people......but this is ridiculous !
We used to have a really lovely man in bedford, who sold the Big Issue, his name was Devon. He was always polite, never pushy, nicely spoken, a nice chap to pass the time of day with. He even got to know my son, from a baby to to a little boy, & we used to give him a little christmas present. Well, overnight, he disappeared, to be replaced by a Romanian chap, who sometimes actually follows you down the street, and if you dont have the right money, he actually keeps the change instead of offering it back to you! So, i no longer buy.
We need stronger laws and a government for the British people. What country would let thiese beggars come and give them everything for nothing.
The government should either stop their benefits, as they are self employed and working OR stop them working and send them back to their own country for support and benefits. We should now start thinking that we support British people only and not foreign people milking the system. I do not earn what these people get in benefits. I am the one working 11 hours a day just so I can enjoy my overdraft and loan repayments along with school fees and child-care costs. Not forgetting the mortgage repayments due to me being an honest person.
And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?
I would have thought the answer is obvious. Don't buy the damned thing if you don't agree with whoever is selling it!
Send them back to their own country!!!
Just don't buy from them! It is just another abuse in rip-off Britain!
I don't buy it anymore. The big issue now seems to be a 'big earner' for Eastern Europeans.
Labour, the legacy that just keeps on giving.
This con has been obvious for years and gullible people keep buying from them. It's not just our politicians that are stupid, the British public are just as bad for encouraging this scam. Can people not see that it is not homeless, or "down on their luck" British people that are selling the Big Issue?
Nobody is surprised anymore ! We just take it and VOTE all those responsible to come back and carry on doing more of the same !
They don't pay national insurance cos they get a low earnings exemption certificate. Please stop blaming Cameron, Labour created this mess and David can't do much to stop it except pull us out of the EU.
I am sick to death of this. Makes me depressed.
This is why i will not but the big issue anymore, the big issue is we have plenty of our own british homeless people to try and help without having this lot turning up and taking the charity donations away from them........let their own countries support them, if we sent our homeless on a few planes over to Romania, do we believe for one minute that their government would provide benefits?
Shame on UK governament... I live in Latvia but I never claim any benefits and disturb local people life.. I love English culture - silence, old cottages, brittish accent and english tea
I called the Big Issue about this a few years ago as there was a Romanian Roma in Wanstead selling the magazine quite forcefully. I inquired about why this was and that I thought it was for homeless people. They replied that anyone from within the EU can sell it and there's nothing they can do about it. I questioned whether that applied to Romanians but they were not interested. The same woman is still there, and since, ALL of the Big Issue sellers are Roma. I always bought it to help our homeless. I have never bought one since.
It's organised crime and should be stopped immediately. They have been in Ilford for years. I won't buy one now for the very reason that it's not being sold by those who it was intended to benefit. Those who allow these people to sell them should be ashamed of themeselves.
If they are self employed have they registered with HMRC (Inland Revenue) as other self employed people have to?
WHAT A MESS THEY HAVE MADE OF "MY"COUNTRY...
Don't buy it .Simples
Never saw a Big Issue seller in Belfast until the Romanian and Eastern European minorities arrived. Now they're on every street in the center and not one has lived here over 10 years.
Shocking news...... ...... Sadly not!
The Big Issue have shot themselves in the foot with this, many people will now refuse to buy. Happy to help the genuine homeless better themselves but unwilling to fund a lifestyle of foreigners that many of us can only dream of.
Throw them back to where they came from. The sad thing is thing is this Country has long been a made a laughing stock, but its just not funny. My Grandparents would turn in their graves if they counld see the state of this Country.
I will never buy a Big Issue again
To the British Govt "You are sowing the wind ,soon you will reap the whirlwind"
There used to be a seller in the small town where I live who had come frm Romania. She lived in Slough, but travelled 60 miles to get here on market day 'by bus'. There's no bus service between here and Slough, and it wasn't long after that that the DM published the first article about the houses being built in Romania on the back of The Big Issue. Now I always talk to the sellers, and if English is obviously not their mother tongue, I don't buy.
Simple solution here, don't buy it any more until they put their house in order.
When is this absurdity going to end? There are British men, women & children living in poverty & yet we still allow this to happen. I am sick of it it, sick of trying desperately to make ends meet & sick of reading stories like this. It makes me want to scream at them "how dare you" & to the British justice (joke) system. But what can we do? Nothing? We just have to put up & shut up. They shouldn't be allowed here if they can't support themselves? this country is a doormat for Europe!
Lets get this straight!The UK is the sixth richest country in the world!Why should we not help out our poorer European neighbours?
The same scroungers who wait at traffic lights and intimidate people in to parting for cash for a windscreen wash and mock those who turn them down. They have no plave in a civilised country, so back to Romania with them.
I do not pay a fortune in tax each month to keep those from other countries who are not able to use their initiative in their own land! I am furious that I am penalised through taxation to keep these people and the lazy class of Brits when most of them have more luxury than I can dream of. Please government get a grip of this spiralling situation, the starting point is pulling out of the EU so that our laws uphold British values and not those of others!
I remember a homeless guy in our local high street who would sit with his dog come rain or shine trying to sell the big issue. You could see he was known and respected by the locals, he was there for years. This homeless chap seems to have gone in the last year or two. My last encounter with a big issue vendor was when I was sitting in a queue of traffic with my baby daughter asleep in the back of the car and this man frightened the life out of me banging on my car window. Is this the image the BIG issue are trying to portray now? I wont be buying it
I do not buy it anymore.
I have complained to the Big Issue. No reply so far but hopefully this will finish the magazine as it is now being sold under a completely different criteria. If you don't like what you have read, don't buy off a Romanian. Better still, don't buy it at all. This will enforce the Big Issue to rethink on its recruitment guidelines. As for the Romanians, this is just the tip of the iceberg and none should be receiving benefits at all. Remember who to vote for if you want this to end. It is going to get a lot, lot worse and soon there will be nothing left for our kids when they leave school to find work as it is not just the Big Issue that is being swallowed up. Remember this when you can't get treatment in hospitals, a place for your kid in the local schools, housing from the local council and a large family has just broken into your house claiming squatters rights and no help from the law. VERY VERY ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!
Go and be homeless in your own country. Scrounges all of 'em.
The answer is to only buy the Big Issue off of the British sellers. Shouldn't there be some kind of control over who can buy them from the depot in the first place ? Why are we still handing over thousands of pounds over to cheats when some needy British families are still living in appalling conditions.
Yet another example of how our government is giving taxpayers money away to people who are playing the system. They had the finances to get here so they must have had a job back in Romania. Yet another example of the spread of the information worldwide that Great Britain is a great place for spongers and criminals. Roll up roll up!!!
Lets see if I've got this correct.. even the British Homeless people are too lazy to get a job selling The Big Issue and so leave the opportunities to Romanians?
Only in Britain......................
STOP buying the "Big Issue". Simple!
Send them all home unless they can support themselves no benefits.
Sickening what we have allowed to go on in our country. Stop giving to the Big Issue then hopefully they will go home. How are these people able to claim these sorts of extortionate benefits - it is making a mockery of all of us taxpayers who have worked all our lives paying into the system only to be left on the scrap heap at retirement. No doubt they will all go home to their big houses when that time comes having milked us dry. This has to stop us Brits are being abused.
I hope the PM reads the DM - I am sick to death of walking past Romanian mothers with young children sat on their laps begging - they are parasites milking our goodwill and probably the benefits system as well. How about we charge their Governments the difference between what they would pay them in benefits and what we give them. I don't think it would be too long before their Governments stopped them from travelling - a bill for a couple of billion should do it.
I bet Big Issue sales have dropped massively since this story broke last week, personally I refuse to ever buy another copy
Dont buy it off them, they will make no money & maybe go home , then they cant claim genuine self employment, therefore should not be entitled to housing benefits! Blame labour everyone, this is what they saddled the british tax payer with, how mr blair sleeps at night god only knows after he destroyed this country
I was back in my local town in the UK at Xmas, there's one there too
The easy asnwer is to stop buying from them, perhaps then they will go back from whence they came. These people and other migrants need to get the message that they are not wanted in the UK
Blame yourselves! Sorry but most EU countries had laws against "new" EU countries flooding their markets and CERTAINLY a requirement in Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and I am sure most EU countries is that you have 3 months to find work or show proof of ability to support yourself, including private health insurance, or you cannot stay and benefits are received only when you have worked and have been made redundant or let go by no fault of your own, or have worked enough years into the "system" that you are a permanent resident and thus entitled to all benefits as if you were a citizen. Stop moaning, the British are so good at whining over their BIG ISSUES (pun intended) yet so bad at dealing with them.
What an absolute joke! I spat out my tea when I read the amount she gets a year! hardly encouraging for the BTP! I work full time and still earn less than half what she gets! LAZY GOOD FOR NOTHING OUT OF TOUCH GOVERNMENT!! who is really in charge here?....and as for the claiming BABY FACTORIES............
These People are all over Newcastle City Centre, selling Big Issues, it's not just in the South of the Country.
Let me get this right, they have the money to come here but they have no where to stay and no job, so we give them a place, benefits and a job to earn extra money. WOW If i could, i would send all 650 MPs to Romanian and see they get the same deal if not, SPEND THEM HOME NOW!!! - hussain yafai, birmingham, 22/1/2012 0:07 These Romanians are a drop in the ocean compared to what your lot have been getting up to for years in this country Mr Yafai.
I therefore take it, as they are self employed, they complete a tax return and pay NI and income tax..?
Some can't even speak English, amazing they know how to fill in the forms to get their Benefits or do they get help with that also. Who are the Muppets Here. We as a Country usually follow the letter of the EU to the book so why do we give out benefits quite willingly to People who have not contributed in any way, why don't we do as other Countries do like Spain, France, Germany etc. When are our Elected Politicians going to start looking after our own People first.
In Norway we have a similar magazine sold on the streets by people who struggle with drugs etc, but the publishers have decided that Romas from Eastern Europe should not be allowed to sell the magazine. Maybe the UK should make the same decision?
Most of the Scottish big issue sellers in Glasgow have been forced out by Romanian gangsters who then put these women on their pitches. I never buy a big issue from a Romanian.
Just don't buy it. There are other charities out there supporting the genuine homeless.
I used to buy the dutch version, it was only the dutch homeless at that time selling the paper.Now its all eastern europeans like many people here in the netherlands l dont buy it any more, its the same as these so called harmonica players every time you go to the supermarket they are there.
Gordon Brown should offer to put them up at his house, if he runs out of room everyone at BBC radio 4 will take up the slack.
i am an hgv driver working 70/75 hrs a week and i dont earn what these people get in benefits .out of my earnings i have to pay a mortgage poll tax .oh and income tax plus nat insurance .i dont see my family all week as i have to live in my truck .i run a 55 plate car and my wife works p/time .I HAVE LIVED HERE FROM BIRTH now tell me.....who is better off and has more rights .....i think i come a VERY DISTANT SECOND ..the way this country is going it is going to cause MAJOR RACIAL ISSUES .and the government will wonder why ?.Dont get me wrong ...i am NOT racial in any way ....but i DO believe in looking after your own first and if those on the dole dont work STOP paying them benefits .........RANT OVER .....Thank you !!
Mr Cameron ............. we are getting sick and tired to listening to reports like this. Why don't we get this information on our television news stations instead of what overseas countries are doing. ..... You have assumed that our comments on issues like this are race-related. YOU ARE WRONG!!!! The word you are looking for begins with an 'r' but the word is RESENTMENT!!!!! We are sick and tired of working to pay taxes to fund the never ending stream of scroungers you are allowing into our country ....while we are unable to access some of the services we have paid into FOR NEARLY HALF A CENTURY!!!! Get your mind round ity and DO SOME DAMNED THING ABOUT IT . before we all lose our patience!
Used to always buy a copy from the local lad in Lancaster, chat etc. He was always there. Here in Carlisle have interchangeable middle-europeans using mobile phones! Am not buying into that!
You forgot Lincoln we have one too! It's organised fraud.
How on earth is she buying the big issue with HER money when she's on benefits? She's buying them with OUR money not hers. Time has long past for getting tough - but still we wait.
I have noticed here in South Manchester the British vendors have been replaced by Romanians This group have been selling the big issue for more than five years I don't know of any other Country that would allow people to stay who cannot support themselves financially The EU has got a lot to answer for as indeed the UK spineless Government
Such a betrayal. Another great product idea falls into disrepute. I will not be buying that again
Food for thought - DONT BUY ONE!!
Atleast they are doing something to get paid not just sitting around on their asses like the British homeless people holding signs.
In Ireland you need to prove "habitual residency" so prove you have a connection with Ireland. This catches many people coming back from Australia. Workers need two years of records and employment before claiming. You don't just show up and claim. Can I say soft touch Britain?
Dont buy it . This article has convinced me that a damn good idea has been totally wrecked by political correctness, and imigrant preference.Time to close the borders and get out of the EU.
Classed as self-employed!! Hope they are paying their class 2 national insurance then!! And preparing a tax return each year.
Its not just the main cities, It's happened in most of the smail country towns in East Anglia and I suspect its the same in other regions. There certainly seems to have been an element of 'turf wars' with the traditional homeless for whom the Big Issue was originally targetted losing out. The Big Issue organisation has lost its way and I don't believe they are as unhappy about the situation as they claim to be.
The answer is quite simple a REFERENDUM and then lets get Great Britain back.
Scrap the calender make every day April 1st.
Send them home now before this becomes their home and they are burden to state for life.
Same in towns around Lincolnshire - Romanians in Boston, Sleaford, Lincoln.Newark
The stupidity of our lilly livered, politically correct, cowardly politicians is absolutely astounding. To say that they didn't know this was happening just shows the prevaricating, disingenuous and ignoble nature of the men we have leading our once great country. The whole world must be looking at Britain and laughing at at the comedy of the stupidity of it all. I don't think we can say "we're British and proud anymore".
So that's where they have gone, they were here in Portugal not that long ago selling the equivalent paper that was supposed to help the homeless, then it seemed almost one day to the next they were gone.
Cameron has pledged to put a stop to it.It's ALL Labours Fault ,nearly 2 years and the Tories have no idea whats going on.
Used to always buy a copy from the local lad in Lancaster, chat etc. He was always there. Here in Carlisle have interchangeable middle-europeans using mobile phones! Am not buying into that!
Do not buy them.
These people are in a no lose situation .Even if people wont buy the mag from them.An hour or two on the streets ensures them the right to claim all the benefits And as past experience shows, this is probably organised by criminal gangs
we have one in Watford.Gold capped fillings in her teeth. She's been there for years.
No surprise - the British are being replaced all across the country in every walk of life.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the UK! but im glad I had the opportunity to emigrate to Australia
England England........bye bye
I shall not be buying the Big Issue from these people.
how long before a labour MP tells us how much they are benefiting this country?
The Big Issue seller in Halesworth, a small market town in Suffolk, is Romanian. No doubt decided it was better than standing aboiut in fields picking cabbages. The real Big Issue is how the hell was all this allowed to happen in the first place?
What has become of our once great country? Unbelievable!!
It would pay them to get copies of the Big Issue then just bin them to be entitled to benefits. Does anyone check that claimants file tax returns before they are handed out subsidies and benefits?
the big issue has become the problem , once a romainian gets a job selling them they can get a national insurance number which then then use to claim all the benifits for their families , wouldnt matter if we stopped buying them ,its not why they sell them the money is only a second income
What has become of our once great country/? Unbelievable
The answer is simple DON'T BUY THE BIG ISSUE. from foreign sellers.
Shocking DM! *not*
Think I should dress up as a Romanian as I could not get a quarter of the benefits they are getting. Even with my father having fought in the war for this country and being born and brought up here and working and paying my taxes and contributing to the economy all my working life. Now I have been told I do not qualify for my pension until another two years!!! ~Something so wrong - I thought Conservative were going to stop all these soft handouts? They should leave the DLA benefits alone and concentrate on these huge tranches of money being paid out every week to people who have contributed a penny to our society. So sick of this country lately. Charity begins at home, when are the 'everyday people' going to get a chance to say what should happen and what they want?
No surprise to me, I work for DWP pension benefits and you would not believe the amount of pension age people who come to UK who apparently cannot speak English, need an interpreter, NI number, get instant housing and benefits
Funny when my parents came here they worked... wish they did what these scummy people are doing we would prob. be driving around in ferrari's
Well, me thinks the folks who run the Big Issue have some questions to answer because there is NO WAY they were unaware that this was going on. When these crooks openly rock up in their BMWs to purchase large supplies of the magazine they are clearly not even trying to hide what they are up to, and those who run BIg Issue are obviously just turning a blind eye because they are raking it in as well. We the public are a bunch or right mugs. The police should be investigating this.
Let them all come and claim benefits, the whole Romania, Greece, Portugal....we have lots of money and can print even more!
Thank you labour for allowing these immigrants in to britain ,you knew it they are the one will vote for labour . The government should change the law no benefits ,only if you contributed into the system .
................ why not add your thoughts ............ i did but no show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ......... ????????
I hope the public reads this and votes with their wallets and stop buying The Big Issue from these Romanians that don't need the money. I will make sure I only ever buy it from someone who looks genuinely homeless.
there has been a noticeable change in the appearance of the typical Big Issue seller?...THERE HAS BEEN A NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN THE UK!!!!!!
i do not agree that our people should pay for immigrants I worked in China for many years and now Thailand and there is no way i or any other foreigner can get benefits The only reason all these people flock to our country is because they can get free handouts tell them its ok to come to the UK but they will never be given free money they must all work or leave
Wonder how many of them have homes back in their country and have spent thousands to get to the Uk so that they can get the benifits to send home, Why doesn't the DSS query where all there money has gone to, I had to give a detailed account where savings had gone and still did not get any help, I think these people think that the benifisystem is for them alone, I feel sorry for the tax payer working their butt of to keep them
Thankyou DM, I will never buy another one..............and I hope the idea catches on nationally. Just ignore any Big Issue seller, the magazine has lost its way and its publishers don't give a toss as long as they get their money.
State appointed beggars. Bet they cant believe their luck to get a flat and basic wage courtesy of the UK taxpayers to continue their traditional lifestyle. When will our gutless MPs start doing the job we pay them for and represent our wishes and interests. A first step is to send them home and ignore the EU parasites who were never elected and get paid to insult our democracy. UKIP is looking like the only option for the next election.
Take care your owe people first. Befor look after others.
I had wondered how Glasgow and the West of Scotland had solved its homelessness problem. I had enjoyed the patter from the guys at the Big Issue and sometimes bought more than one through the week, it was a good read. I have not bought one as I can't find any Scottish homeless person. Congratulations Scotland.
After reading tbe previous article On the romanian woman, i actually started to notice the person selling big issue in my tiny local 'city' bangor, (wales) was a romanian woman too!!! Last time I went it was the usual locals who stayed in the homeless shelter it's a shame they are missing out because of her, i found one usual local seller in a part of the high street nobody really goes and made a point of buying one from him. I hope People start boycotting these romanian sellers and chose a genuinely needy seller to help out.
They know how to work the system, and you are allowing them to. When will England wake up ?
Good for them. Who's fault is this?
I never give them a penny piece, SADLY our boy politicians give them thousands.
DM - Making sweeping statements really doesn't help the legitimate Big Issue sellers who happen to be Romanian!
No one was available to comment on the Big Issue in the North,WHY,surely they can justify their actions,instead of hiding under a stone.
Just like in france, we help them and they want more and more, now you can't walk on the street without the fears to be attacked, muged by those people, they never change because it's their lifestyle, they learn that at a very young age so it's hopeless.. that's umbelievable and I'm sorry to say that but we can't help them anymore, enough is enough!
Start a Visa system for all EU citizen please!!
This is disgusting, Can I immigrate to another country and get all these benefits?? NO! then why the hell does it happen to our country?! cause we are mugs, that's why...
How can this one woman get £25.000 .. a year in benefits .!!!!!!!!!!!!! shes never paid in to the system ... av just lost my job after 23 years . no fault of my own .......... and received a letter from the benefits office informing me that they are PLEASED to tell me that i am entitled to £ 37.58 a week .... please DM name this spokeswoman who said ...... OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS THE NATURE OF HOMELESSNESS HAS CHANED.. THERE ARE FAR FEWER ROUGH SLEEPERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. she needs to get out more .......... Rrrr well am off out to sell the Big Issue ..................
if my old nan could see this country now ,she would turn in her grave.
Theres been the same Romanian girl outside Budgens in Whitstable for years. I always thought it was sad she was still homeless....yes, I'm a fool.
I am pleased to read that John Bird realizes that his is a Bg Issue for the Big Issue's ideals and objectives. Iain Duncan Smith, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions must get this ridiculous ruling by the senior London Tribunal reversed. In Firuta Vaille's case how can she be a full time carer for one of her children and self employed Big Issue re-seller at the same time. IDS and the government must show who runs this country, the British people's elected government or Roma organized racketeers. That is the REAL Big Issue in this country plain and simple.
And who's to blame for this? You say the politicians, no, the blame lies entirely with you, the public for buying it. If nobody bought it they'd soon disappear off the streets (and no doubt be on all the benefits they can get, and we can't)
Ok i'm not clever or smart like but I can see over 2 million out of work so why do we have so many economic migrants still in Britain ? A job for the homeless is now done by migration and seriously if the homeless are been pushed out work by migrants, what chance do our school leavers have ? Broken Britain in all its glory with idiots running our country into the sewers. Forget political parties I refuse to vote for any of the arrogant , greedy , slimey , two faced idiots. We should all vote for independant's and show the spineless parties we won't take it anymore. Labour , Liberal democrats and Conservative !! They are all the same who say one thing to get a vote and do the opposite once they get it.
i emailed my MP about this and did you think he replied.......they are not interested
Great. So they come here, sponge off the British tax payer and continue to beg on our streets. Well I used to buy the big issue. Not any more !!
Jeez. You couldn't make this up. Great Britain.
I always give 50p to the Big Issue seller of my choice and don't either have time to read or wish to take his book as he can sell those to others. If my favourite man is not there I engage in conversation with others to ensure they are British before I hand over any money. It would be easy to just walk on by now but I made this millennium promise to myself 12 years ago. I feel Big Issue are letting the genuine, needy sellers down.
I would abolish the big issue. Even before overseas gangs had understood it was a money-spinner, our own sellers were making careers out of it. Sell 10 copies an hour, that's £12.50 an hour tax free, plus your benefits. A 6 hour day, 5 day week you can have £375 a week plus benefits. I would guess many sell more than that.
Same thing in Scotland, Busking, begging etc.etc. time for a full reassessment by all agencies.
There's one in Poole outside Waitrose and another in Broadstone by Tesco - so that's another two
The people selling the big issue have always been menacing, I have been cursed for not buying even before the Roma moved in, everyone just refuse to buy it and it will cease to exist , some countries should never been even considered for the EU, blame British government we are always keen to except anyone
I am disguised where emigrants are exploited by Britons for generations and now when you don't need them you just want them to go away. IT doesn't work like that. Stupid articles like this one will cause everyday people to do stupid violent actions which effectively will put them in jail. You can't solve unemployment by blaming the minorities to try harder to survive.
£28,100 a year , thats more than i make.
Sadly, we are a joke of a country.
I regularly gave several times per month to various sellers, but not any more. All the genuine sellers will rebel. Boycott the "Big Issue" until they sort out the problem.
I regularly gave several times per month to various sellers, but not any more. All the genuine sellers will rebel. Boycott the "Big Issue" until they sort out the problem.
i always buy the big issue as i thought it was to help the homeless, sorry i will not buy again, this is abuse of our country.
THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.Complain and ur classed as a rascist,if i speak polish etc i get a house all these benefits that go with it.BUT IF IM HOMELESS AND BRITISH I Get nothing
Whoever let this happen needs a slap in the chops with a wet mullet.
I live in Glasgow and I can verify this is true- I see it all the time. The big issue was set up to help our own people with problems, not anyone who comes into this country. So I will not buy the big issue (especially as I am unemployed and have to watch every penny) It is simply a con to claim benefits, after one year of 'working self employed' they and thier kids are able to live on the benefits system for life. The big issue needs to be held to account over this.
Eastern Europen gangs forcing the locals out of their own patches.... I've stopped buying the Big Issue now as it has derailed from its original purpose.... which was to support the homeless people of This country!
It will take two years to close this loophole that they can come and sponge. I dispare that the people who run this country live in ivory towers and dont see the injustice and abuse of the benefits system. Im likely to be made redundant in 3 months but....cant claim for 6 months, maybe I should do a whistle stop around europe and claim of each countries systems, bet it wont be as good as here, and when I get back it will be "sorry you arent entitled to benefits!" Maybe I should tan myself, say I dont speak english and get some papers from the bin, say Ive 10 children and then claim for these phantoms....My £60-70k tax paid over the past 20 years is a waste...the benefits system is as crooked as the justice system....
Same in Scotland
Wow, two days after the loophole opens a third of Big Issue sellers are Romanian and they've mostly been here years. Think of the money they could make if instead of selling the big issue they sold rides in their time machines.
This is just a scam to claim benefits. Were has the money came from to buy these large qty of mags. We all see them getting out of flash cars that most people working full time jobs could not affort to buy. I feel sorry for the homeless people who cannot purchase these mags now because they have all been bought up. I wiil not buy a big issue again untill this has been resolved.
Then make them or their gang masters pay tax like everyone else, or kick them out.. They take the bad with the good, not just the good only. All of Eastern Europe is simply sticking two fingers up at British tax payers and we do not have any politicians with the guts to do anything about it, in case it threatens their own sweetheart deals in the EU once they get kicked out of office here, probably. There is a very strong smell about the reluctance on the part of consistent British governments to 'rock the EU boat' just once on behalf of British tax payers, just as the French, Germans and other states paying in far less than the UK often do, and nothing whatsoever happens to them, so it is obvious our politicians are looking after their own arrangements in preference.
There is no longer a "Big Issue" since the courts have made Big Issue sellers able to claim housing benefit so they are no longer homeless. NOBODY should buy the BIG ISSUE anymore.
They should be in their own countries contributing to, and developing their own society; not scrounging on british streets and fleecing the british taxpayer. If the eu collapses, this will only be the tip of the iceburg. Shut the gates, and ditch the eu. Focus on the British Commonwealth and the growth regions of the world; make britain great again.
Unless you are a UK national then you should not be able to claim ANY benefits I don't know about the rest of the UK but in my city, Romanians stand with one copy of the Big Issue, jumping in front of every car at traffic lights and giving verbal abuse when the driver ignores them. I wonder what the local police would say if I stood with one copy of a magazine in the middle of a busy road at rush hour and hurled abuse at drivers. I don't think I would be staying very long
DO NOT BUY THE BIG ISSUE FROM FOREIGN SELLERS, simples. If it's a British person selling then buy but if not refuse to buy. As soon as the immigrants stop making money they will have to stop. Only the Government can stop them claiming benefit but we the people can stop buying these magazines from them.
i give to charity , but never them, there are a family of them here , every day on the main street, the granny daughter in her forties and grand daughter, outside every main shop, , they have been here foe years, so its a good earner,
surprised, anyone .....?
Sneaky sneaky people I don't buy the big issue because like it said it's to help the homeless! But the only people I see selling is migrants! This is what wrong with England why do we let other people claim our hard earned taxes why don't they put a regulation on it like say you have to live & work here pay taxes for 5 years before your accepted on the system to claim! Grinds my gears sort it out!!!!!!!
Just shows how low we've sunk as a nation: our jobless and homeless can't even be bothered to sell the Big Issue, they leave it to immigrants. Good luck to these people I say, at least they're trying to eke out a living. Unlike the feckless trash from the UK with their focus on celebrity and making a fast buck through instant fame a la X Factor, or more likely through selling drugs. Depressing reading.
send them home
theres 1 in bradford aswell
I've noticed this for about 2 years. One Romanian guy would hassle me every week outside the supermarket. I assumed he was destitute & fell for it .. until the day I saw him on his mobile phone. A few minutes later, he pushed ahead of me in the supermarket queue to buy cigarettes! We are FOOLS.
I am from Romania. Why I dont can romainan sell big Issue? they no have money they gypsy people. Every one in England have same rights and Romanian people too!
For all those complaining that is how society works these days and if you dare to complain you will be up on a " hate " charge before the beak in no time with a show trial and find yourself with a criminal record. Most English people don't really care these days ; they are an apathetic bunch.
I have never purchased a copy and never will. I feel intimidated when they spring up on you the same as these hit squads of charity people that try to get you to sign a monthly direct debit, in my opinion any type of cold calling whether in the street or knocking at your door should be made illegal.
Why do I feel I am being taken for a mug here again!!! That's the last one I buy.
We have one in our town and she is picked up by her husband in his BMW I refuse to give anything to her and she really pesters outside the local M&S store
It's not just the cities - these Roma are operating at the towns all along the Suffolk coast - in the past year we have been encountered by them in Lowestoft, Beccles, Halesworth and Ipswich. They can't speak much English it just seems to be Beeg Issue and a very in your face Pleeze! My other half was talking to the shop workers next to where one of these operates and they claim the seller is dropped off by in a big car. Everyone knows its a scam and I have stopped buying Big Issue. I have bought it for years as I have always supported its ethos. Frankly I am sick of us all being taken for a ride by these people. Apart from the Big Issue publishers who do we complain to?
What the hell is going on in this country??? We are being deluged with Eastern Europeans (amongst others) who are here purely for our benefits system!! Send them packing!!! We are in a recession and it's about time taxpayers money was given to Brutish people only ( for our elderly, hospitals, our needy etc) and not to the worlds scroungers!!!
LOVE IT! The Romanian 'Big Issue' sellers (on 'illegal' benefits) have taken the jobs from the homeless Brits! OH BOY. What's it going to be Dave: A "Referendum" or a "Bloody Revolution"?
Let me get this right, they have the money to come here but they have no where to stay and no job, so we give them a place, benefits and a job to earn extra money. WOW If i could, i would send all 650 MPs to Romanian and see they get the same deal if not, SPEND THEM HOME NOW!!!
Wow, what a surprise!!!! Who'd have thought it??
OK so you detect these criminals-then what? no deportation, human rights, own a cat?
Thats right...give our jobs to the immigrants. and leave the british to rot!!!! Grrrrrrr111
Might be a good idea to check that these people havent got criminals records before they come in to the Country in the first place.
What a bloody mess.
This (organised crime) must be one of those benefits of immigration that we are so frequently being told about. I KNEW it was good for the country. What a shambles.
This is uncanny. I have just finished writing a situation comedy for TV about an over enthusiastic Polish detective seconded to a sleepy rural police force 'Eastford Anglia Constabulary' complete with a bonkers crime commissioner and hapless police officers. Its working title is 'Operation Plodska'. The hero is called Detective Karol Plonka and he has a list of 12 criminals he wants to return to Poland. The first episode involves his hunt for a gang of luxury car thieves from his home town on the Belarus border. I've just started to circulate this to production companies. Life imitating art or what?
We should never have admitted foreign criminals to the UK in the first place. Those who commit crime here should be deported straight away!
The E.U planned this sort of thing to gain control of nation states at times of unrest, riots included!!
Good idea whoever came up with this.
I was getting optimistic till I read the operation will only last four days :/
At last the police Federation and authority have brought in there European counter parts.So LET THE GAMES BEGIN .POLICE 1 ,European cooks 0.
About time
This would not be necessary if we were able to demand a visa before entry.
UK need the help of more developed nations like Poland and Lithuania. I'm glad they are helping us (-:
What has happened to this once great country for ? I fear its all going to be downhill now !
This is ONLY happening because we have LOST Control of OUR BORDERS for being in the CORRUPT EU.
Yes I can certainly see our police teaching them a thing or two, they'll know how to hold a speed gun by the time they get home.
One more thing to thank blair brown balls mcnulty Harman and the rest of the idiots in the labour party for.
Wouldnt it be easier not to be a part of this wretched EU? It hasnt given us anything good we could not have done by ourselves.
No one with a criminal record should be allowed in Britain. Someone who can't speak English should be allowed in. Britain is really going to the dogs. It's lost it's morals. When I went to London had not seen one English flag, only seen 3 Union Jacks. We are a country that used to be proud to be British but look around what's to be proud of, people can't wear poppies anymore in memory of the people who fought to protect our country.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
To some who have voiced considering the BNP and similar groups, I consider this moving from one extreme to another. This is not the way forward. Britain has enviable values and we mustn't lose them. For quite a while now I have noticed our country get bad to worse and Im utterly fed up, and hence left to work abroad. Our politicians don't represent us anymore. False promises and their in. I really hope we get a more representative party with middle of the road policies and one which stops throwing our tax money to those who have and most probably will never contribute to the system. Im not against immigration but this has gone out of hand - its utter madness.
Don't you hate how this government gives tax payers money away so freely to residents of other countries!
Are we British allowed these benefits in all EU countries should we decide to plonk ourselves in any one of them ?, or does this ruling only apply to people coming here. It would be great to live somewhere in France if they too supply these lovely benefits to all and sundry.
Is there any single benefit to us to belonging to the EU? Seriously, we always end up paying out huge amounts of money for this daft organisation - we haven't got the money for all these extra benefits surely!! Get us a referendum NOW!!
So now you know why they will never let you have a vote on the EU. Just wait till they start bringing in the massive populations of the Middle East & half of Africa? As for these people not being able to get benefits? They already have & continue to bleed this country dry whilst forcing down wages & forcing up housing costs.
This EU is ruining this country all these benefits being given willy nilly to all you choose to enter this country whether it's on the back of a lorry or other means, no wonder we have them all forming a nice queue in Calais waiting for their chance, no wonder Cameron has had to make so many cuts in jobs etc. i know Labour left us almost broke but now us British born and BRED are having to pay through the nose so that all the migrants can live the good life, i am glad i am getting to the age where another 20 years of life is not possible because i can see this country being the worst to live in.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive. - Chris, London, England, 3/3/2011 13:06 So what do YOU suggest Chris. There is not much we can do as individuals. We need a strong leader and I cannot see that happening. As soon as anyone dare try to stand up for his or her country they are called racist - fascists- little hitlers- thugs by the media and from that moment on their career has ended.
Box Ticker , we voted to join the "common market" a totally different animal to the EU. We were missled then & succesive governments have been hoodwinking us ever since. Now is the time for a referendum of our membership, we can`t be any worse off out of the EU. Switzerland & Norway do alright.
My Mum worked full time for many years, and was advised to pay a woman's stamp contributions, hence now she is retired and part of a couple receives £30 a week pension. I have a friend who contracted breast cancer in Australia and had to come back to live in Britain because they would not treat her there as she was English and had not contributed. If I go to another country I have to make sure I take out an insurance or I will get no healthcare, so why do we treat people from all around the world who have not contributed to our health system. When the NHS was founded it was just that a NATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM NOT AN INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM. With mass unemployment hence a drop in contributions these extra benefits and healthcare are coming out of the pockets of the British people, and we have not even been consulted about it!!
Said it before and I'll say it again : deduct all benefit payments from the EC contribution and add a hefty administration charge on top. Come on, Coalition and Opposition - speak up for what is right rather than just pay up.
How come these "Job seekers" from abroad are worth more than UK citizens that haven't been able to find work for years, however hard they have been trying? And we pay these incomeres twice the old age pension, to look for jobs that clearly don't exist, given the rising rate of unemployment. DC, you dug your heels on over votes for prisoners. Don't stop there. There even more important matters to throw back to Brussels.
VOTE BNP ! WE MUST !!!
Why do UK citizens (and taxpayers) have so much trouble claiming something when they fall on hard times such as unemployment, but we seem to fall over ourselves handing out money to people who have never paid 'into the pot'? It's a disgusting way to treat the people of this country.
But Brits are not allowed to sign on for work in Slovenia never mind claim benefits. If you own a house there you have to wait 5 years for residency or pay 20 per cent gains tax - unlike Slovenes who wait just 3 years. EU equality as we all know only applies to those coming to Britain - not we Brits.
It looks to me that the fools in EU headquarters are hell bent for the G-8 countries in there to leave. We have two options - IGNORE the stupid decrees from the EU or PULL OUT. Common sense must prevail. Take note, Both Germany and Austria have high unemployment, both countries also bailed out Banks that misused funds in wrong investments, both countries are also taxing the peoples to the hilt to pay for the mistakes of others and tolerance levels are on the brink of exploding. ITS HIGH TIME TO TELL THE EU dishing out money for NIL input will not work - this is only going to build up a dislike of foreigners.
We can have a referendum on voting, which many think is a waste of taxpayers money, while the British public are still being denied a say if we want to remain in the E.U. who if we stay in it much longer we will well and truly done for as a country. I suppose there are a few in government circles that keep us in as it helps to line their pockets, never mind joe public we do not count as we are just a number.
Benefits assessor- You are absolutley correct! I am a UK citizen born and bred. When I returned to this country after a few years living in Malta (an EU country), I found it necessary to claim a number of benefits. I was asked an astounding question by one benefits assessor "Why did I come to this country?"!! I can't tell you how angry I was at having to justify coming back to my own country!
If it makes DM readers fume with anger it can only be a good thing. All hail the EU!!!!
Amazing animal story !!! Weasel gets spine transplant ! ( Get the hint Dodgy Dave? )
Why did I fight for my country ? It is not my country anymore and I am ashamed of what the politicians have done. !
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? >>>>>- meridian, crewe: I asked a mate of mine who is a serving soldier this question and is answer was an unequivical, NO WAY! I don't believe the British people are strong enough to do this though, most of us sit there with a passive indifference to what is happening to this country. Complaining on forums like this is about as militant as we get!
Well I voted UKIP. What did you vote? LIB/LAB/CON,,,,,,,,more of the same. Continuing to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result = insanity. Come on Barnsley, wake up! What does it take to get you angry? Cameron. "The Government believes that it is in this country's interests to be members of the EU." Brown. " We do not believe a referendum is necessary on the Lisbon Treaty" Cleggover. I love the EU and my pension depends on supporting it.
This is our tax that the EU and its subordinate - our government - is squandering on people who have contributed absolutely nothing to our economy nor do they have any historical or blood ties. We owe them nothing. Our government is surely now obligated to put continued membership of the EU to a referendum and the sooner the better.
The last few paragraphs of this article state that anyone can't just walk into this country and claim our benefits ..... That may be true , but can they claim " hardship allowance " ?....which could be the same as benefits under another name....!
And I have just been fined for late tax returns ..what to keep these immigrants on benefits think I will refuse to pay and go to jail instead
Just another way to get more money out of us taxpayers, to give to people who do absolutly nothing to earn it. Do the government really think these people will come here to look for work?? No - They will find a way to fool the system, get money out of our country and contribute nothing!
So,british can claim benefits in our country and immigrants in the uk can't? get out of eu than,we are tired of british parasites
Spain doesn't obey the EU rules on the vast majority of things and yet receives a lot more money from the piggy bank than the UK When are we going to learn?
Wouldnt it be wonderful if the middle class, so hated by any politician of ANY party, could just up stumps and move to a new country and run it themselves and sit back and see how clever Cameron, the EU, the ECHR and all the left wing nutters in Notting Hill were. This country needs a revolution and quite a few heads to roll...literally
Stop supplying documents in languages other than English. Insist that claims are filled out by the aplicant in the Jobseekers office in front of the clerk dealing with the application. All claimants should speak and write english, inability to do so should mean that they cannot work in this country so cannot apply for jobseekers allowance or any other benefit. It'll never happen, there isn't a minister or MP with the backbone to suggest it.
This country is just being given away to foreigners. Our national pride has gone. I sometimes wonder if we need somebody with the leadership powers of a dictator to put this country back on its feet. Our recent governments do not have a clue.
Thats it!!!! I'm 54 and unemployed. I worked 20 years and paid tax into this country. I dont care if I NEVER work again now!!!
If this is a EU ruling ,then why can`t you claim unemployment benifits in France. To claim unemployment in France you have had to have a job first then become unemployed, they do not pay unemployment benifit unless you have previously been in work in France.
Dont think that call me dave will do anything about this stupidity and boy clegg loves the e.u. as do most of the trough dwellers. The only way out is a revolution so that the will of the people prefails (stupid me thought that was the way so called democracy worked)
I thought it was migrants coming from outside the EU that are claiming our benefits and jumping the housing queue?
What has this country come too.. We're taxed to the hilt.. Can't afford to run a car any more. There's no jobs. housing problems. 17,000 forces made redundant, with no jobs to go to. But ok to let more immigrants come in and claim benefits. Benefits which even my own family can't get.. I see a riot on camerons & co hands.. Will he let me have a tax rebate... i doubt it..
And this would be one of the reasons I'm out of here as soon as I get my degree and find a suitable job away from this mad country. Everyone else takes what they can get so I'm doing the same. It's okay though because as the country continues to sink, stupid voters can keep voting idiots into power. When will you people wake up and smell the coffee. Why should the public suffer at the hands of nut jobs? I don't see a politician feeding his family with cheap crap food which has no real food value... I don't see them struggling to make ends meet and nor do I see them living in poor conditions like some of us have to. And considering there are no jobs per se, how is anyone expected to better themselves especially if we're giving everything away to every foreigner to hit our shores? Welcome to Britain, where our own people come last. Don't worry, we only pay for it all, but what do we know!
A national disgrace. Look after us first Dave and Nick!
I'm amazed at how ignorant the majority are on this forum. If you pay in to the system you are entitled to get something back, no matter where you come from. There are a lot of foreign workers over here paying tax to support British free loaders and no doubt foreign free loaders too. Its not just the UK who do this all EU countries do it. If we work abroad, we would be entitled to benefits in these countries too. Stop winging and bitching, its and even playing field. If you dont like it, move to a foreign country, work and claim their benefits . . . . Honestly +shakes head+
It is impossible in France to claim job seekers allowance unless you can speak FLUENT French. The UK needs to be OUT of the EU before it sinks under immigrants
LOL - look at them go!
The British fatcats paying them 4.0 £ / hour will welcome them !
From what I understand these Eastern Europeans can claim child benefit for their children even if they are not living here, and send the money back to their countries. Yet, British people who live and work abroad cannot claim the same same benefits for their British born children. This is disgraceful discrimination and how much longer are we going to stand for this. It basically means we have all become second class citizens in our own country, we need to boot all those traitors out of Parliament. Elect people who have the British people's best interest at heart, and then leave the European Union with no ifs, buts, or maybe's.
So this is why my widowed mother had to exist on a basic state pension?
Not powerless, just not willing to leave the EU! Tell them to get stuffed!
This is stupid and I am Czech! But the same is happening in my country! People from Romania and other countries are coming to stay because it is so easy to receive benefits! So inviting for them! I came to UK few years ago to study and work and learn english properly. I spent a lot of money on school and tax... Always respected the country's laws and culture... I felt as a guest and that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, I have to say, I am happy to leave UK now as I feel it is time to move on... And to defend my country, there is a tiny number of people from Czech republic in here, our country is beautiful and very well developed... UK should concentrate on people from other countries that come here in huge numbers and use this country for their benefit... with no respect or regard.
JUST GET US OUT NOW, ARE YOU LISTINING MR CAMERON
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron....- Mark B, London.....Well said.....I totally agree. She had more balls than the whole of this current lot put together.
Tens of millions? Try a figure in the billions by the time they've claimed all that's going. Never mind, we can always go the way of the Tories and make everybody pay for everything themselves. Living, health, education etc. And don't think it isn't going that way. Local surgeries turned into businesses with doctors bring in their commercial buddies, the economy being turned over to commercial moguls, and schools doing their own thing. The little tax payer ain't seen nuthin' yet, and isn't Mr. Murdoch doing well thanks to that nice Mr. Hunt.
Let's just get out of Europe and throw all illegals out.. . . . . . . We have had enough. . . . We are paying our taxes to every one except the true Brits who should get it. . . .
Most British people would vote no to the EU. Cameron knows this, that's why he won't give us a referendum. They call this democracy.
The Government should negotiate with the EU that any benefits paid in one country to a citizen of another are reimbursed by the home nation of the claimant. It won't stop claims but at least we would get our money back.
I am British living in Greece, if I return I am entitled to..........nothing, though I paid tax and N.I. for forty years. And contrary to common belief we abroad are not all entitled to heating allowance, not that I want it. Still rather be here though. I am convinced the EU is deliberately working against the interest's of British people. We have nothing in common with them, never have and never will. We should be OUT of the EU.
I want us to leave the EU. How can I get my MP to lobby parliament on this question. What do we have to do as a people to force this issue through ? We already know that marches don't work. We could all go on strike to make our point ? I think the only way we can do this is to hold our own EU Vote. I am sure there is a way of creating a website where people could register, perhaps using their national Insurance Number as a unique ID & then vote on this issue. Perhaps if parliament was presented with a nationwide vote they would have to take our wishes into account ?
A hundred thousand reasons for coming out of the abomination called the European Union.
The time has come to vote for a national british party if some one would start one up that is against violence.
We have got to stop this insanity asap, we have to get rid of all 3 predictables, who too are insane..This will finally finish this country of ours, the writing has been on the wall for too long..The revolution in the middle east will happen here sooner than many think..Unite, the BNP, UKIP, and the best of the EDL together, to rid us this rubbish in Wetminster.. Nobody in their right mind could ever believe this would happen to Britain, this could only be possible by the gutless emotionless wimps in Wetminster..They have no remorse for our dying nation, because it is they, who have driven the final nail into our coffin.....
Actually, they have been entitled to Housing and Council Tax Benefit from day one in this country since 2004 provided they were registered workers, and the only requirement for Child Benefit and Tax Credits is a National Insurance Number. This will only affect JSA , ESA + Income Support.. As for the Habitual Residency Test - it is an absolute joke! The only people it seems to stop from claiming are native brits returning to live in the UK after a period abroad.
What utter rubbish. Our so-called govt can do what the hell it likes, just as the French are wont to do. Impose a complete bn on all new non UK born claimants from 1st April, then tell Brussells to go whistle. The sumsequent court case, appeal, counter appeal ect will go on for yearsby which time we will be totally bankrupt an no-one will want to come here. Simples!
...after working for 44 years,i as a british citizen can not get or is entitled to job seekers allowance...so you tell me how these people are going to get it...they are not...end of!
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? That would be a tad risky in my opinion. Those soldiers are our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, aunties, uncles, mums and dads. Ditto our police force. Over to you David.
Isn't it about time that we (the UK), like France told the EU where to stick it?
This is appalling when so many sick and disabled people here have been thrown off benefits & some have been driven to suicide as a result.
Bob from Brigg: Best laugh I've had all day (although it is only 1pm, and I haven't seen any other news yet)
'...it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' Not quite: if Britain made benefits conditional on a record of contributions for ALL claimants, that would automatically rule out what is now threatened. The issue is to ensure everyone treated the same, whether British citizens or national from other EU countries. 'A spokesman said: '...We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse.' Obviously, that's the warm words and wishful thinking bit; especially when too many of the cases publicised clearly show widespread, systematic abuse by both British and foreign nationals! That apart, the benefits system is out of control and needs to be reformed and reined in and damned quickly!.
Recession; what recession. Cut-Backs; what cut-backs, All in it together; what all in it together.
As we are haveing a referendam on voteing can we not have a box on the same form to get out of the EU It wiil not cost alot more
Sounds about right.....Poor old England....now Europes Barrel, with more and more sediment settling every week. EU? A bureaucratic, legal, and hideously expensive disaster, proof? Ireland and Greece, with, so we are led to believe, Portugal next on the list for bankruptcy...or should that be properly termed, total Brussels control of all the countries finances whether they like it, or not, and, at the EU's set interest rates.....Indeed, some are saying that the EU is deliberately encouraging economies to fail, in order to gain total fiscal control of that host nation, and have such a nation, totally under their control...interesting assumption...
This was agreed 7 years ago - what on earth is the problem ? The impact in the UK is going to be a lot less than it will be here in Austria....
For the love of god Cameron please stand up for us! I can't take much more.
So we work, pay taxes & NI, do not claim a penny from the State, then we retire and what do we finish up with £102.per week & some do not even get that. makes you proud to be an honest hard working Citizen in GB. Isn't it time the Powers that be got a grip and did what was right for the People of this Country that have given their all to make this a better place. Why is it our Politicians manage to get Gold Plated Pensions when they retire.
Where is the land of milk and honey we were promised if we went into the EU? I did not believe it then (early 1970s?). It is a shame we always have to live through about 30 or 40 years of a mistaken policy before that mistake is not only proven but also becomes too big to ignore. Dave etc. are always on about learning history at school, but it seems they themselves learnt nothing from history.
BNP BNP BNP - patarazzi, australia, 3/3/2011 11:35................................................I'm sorry, but your on the wrong website. This non-story has nothing to do with Brisbane National Parks.
The government could stop this type of thing very easily, with one stroke of a pen, but they won't because they have no leader with guts.
The only things that could possibly get us out of the disaster that is the EU and enable us to set our own laws is a massive, it would have to be two million plus, public demo or voting for one of the two main nationalist parties (UKIP/BNP) at any and every opportunity. Tory voters, forget the 'coalition effect', subjugation to the EU is what Cameron and many senior Tories want. Apart from a few strong sounding words and a bit of waffle where's the evidence to the contrary.
I had to give up work 7 years ago as I wasn't well enough to commute 5 hours a day. I didn't/couldn't claim JSA or benefits as my husband's supported me since then. Prior to that, I had 31 years of NI contributions and tax from full-time work (I was then single, no kids). Yet if I signed on unemployed today for the last 2 years before I draw a pension (which might be up to £97 a week) I'd get nothing because I've made no contributions in the last 2 years. Much talk of 'fairness' from Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives - How the HELL is it fair that a foreigner can turn up and get over TWICE as much as a pensioner with 31 years of paying tax and NI?
I love it.
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did. - Box ticker, London, 3/3/2011............................NO, that was a referendum on whether we wanted to be in the COMMON MARKET not the EU............Politicians signed up to EU on our behalf.......we have never had a referendum on whether we want to be in EU.
Like we dont breed enough of our own lazy dole loving lay abouts..... Lets get out of the EU before its too late
Have you realised yet that the same applies for people who leave the uk and go to another eu member state!! stop whinging
We should never have joined the EU. So now all my hard earned tax money goes to pay those individuals that have never done a days work or supported this cuuntry in any fashion. We are a JOKE
Come on fellow Brits, it's time to rebel and insist we withdraw from the EU!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive.
The Prime Minister. 10 downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA There are about 650 3rd rate halfwits who infest OUR parliament. Everybody should write to the above address and keep writing. It's easier than rioting in the street - anyway, I'm too old for that!
I voted UKIP. - daves, chelmsford uk, 03/3/2011 11:48 And so did I, Daves. Many Conservative voters in 2010 were too scared to vote UKIP in case it let Brown in again through the back door. Now there is no excuse to vote for any of the 3 old parties anymore. This coalition is not just unpopular because of the cutbacks, it is unpopular because of their backtracking & inaction on just about everything! In a short period of time, the UK has had Labour, Conservative & LibDems in government. All have shown their total contempt for the British people. Next time, either you waste your vote by not voting at all, or you choose another party. The 4th largest political party will take the UK out of the EU, therefore saving almost £49 million per day. Money to build hospitals, schools, prisons, repair the infrastructure, invest in the armed forces & also return jobs to British workers. But you will have to put your cross in their box first. Almost 1 million of us already did that in 2010.
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either - beachboy, calahonda spain, 03/3/2011 12:48 ---------------Actually if you qualify for benefits then yes, it does.
If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force - Oddy, B'Ham, 3/3/2011 11:42..........................................Hilarious. So when the foreign journalists interview the rioters (assuming this hypothetical riot does kick off when someone decides to fight your own sorry plights for you because you're too lazy to do so yourself) about what it is they're rioting about, what will their answer be? 'XYZ,' say the rioters. 'And where did you learn about that?' asks the journalist in his bullet-proof vest. 'It said so in the Daily Mail.'..............In that instance, we really would be the laughing stock of the world.
So will we be hearing about this on the BBC? That propaganda machine for the Government and the EU? Which we also have to pay for with the license fee whether we want to watch it or not, and who are quite capable of getting their own funding like the others do. We are being milked and fleeced at every turn.
It makes me sick to the stomach. Get us out of the EU NOW!
I just want to echo the words of Charles De Gaulle, when he continued to do Britain a favour with his consistent veto of our entry into the common market in 1967, "Non, Non, Non" Cameron can guarantee a second term in office with one very simple act. Give us a voice, by having a referendum on the EU. And the choice should not be a wishy washy multiple choice designed to suck up to the lib dems, but a straightforward choice "IN" or "OUT". To help us make an impassioned choice, I invite the DM to produce a list of the financial advantages and disadvantages of Britain remaining in the EU. I need some help in finding the positive side of the argument.
Is THIS why David Clown is making 11,000 servicemen redundant - to give THEIR salaries to Eurics..................? DON'T hand in your uniforms OR your arms, lads......... You know what the next mission is.........
Does ANYONE from government ever read this website? If so, they will KNOW what people REALLY think of Camoron, the CONalition, the EU and so much more. Now that they know, what will they do? Absolutely nothing that's what. They just don't care. Simple as that. They care ONLY for themselves and not one jot about any of us. When will we have democracy here Dave? When will you put the people of Britain FIRST? When will we have the MUCH promised EU referendum? When will you get off your backside and actually DO SOMETHING?
The other side of the coin is that British immigrants to other countries will be able to claim benefits.
Here we go again! D.M. READERS IT'S QUITE SIMPLE - Keep voting and putting your "X" on the Con / Lab / Lib Dem voting paper promising 'change' = Keep getting the same thing and watching your childrens' future and prosperity go down the pan as we hand over our nation's wealth to the dregs of the world .....gratitude or an agreement to be law-abiding by receipients is not even necessary! Why not put your "X" where your mouth / heart is at the next election ?
There is an easy solution to the benefits system in our country. Any foreign national wanting to claim, must only be allowed the same as their home country. It would stop all these thousands of immigrants coming here for one thing only...... free housing, free health care, free handouts..... without working one day or paying a penny in tax.
OMG. Time for Britain to leave the EU I think.
simple vote ukip from here on in.
Either take to the streets or get more of the same.
Roll on the end of the world !!
well i think i'll just get myself pregnant, get a council house and live on benefits for the rest of my days (despite the fact i have been in continual work since 18 years old and paid my dues within this pathetic scrap of an excuse for a country). and they wonder why we are in a recession - GET OUT OF THE EU NOW, AND another reason for voting BNP!
Time to take our country back out of the hands of the EU, over the past 13 years a labour government has given all our powers away, you only have to ask why is ENGLAND the only country in britian NOT to have its own parliment or assembly ? English mp's can't vote on matters in scotland, wales, or northern ireland but their mp's can have a say on what happens in England would I be right to call that discremination ? LET'S GET OUT THE EU AND GET THIS DEVALUTION SORTED AND GET THIS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN...Thinking UKIP could do well next election !!!
Just refuse to pay--at least the fine from the EU will be less!!!!!!!!
Its no different to any other EU country ... so why all the moaning ?
I would like to suggest that PolishBrit (hope I read that right) becomes PolishGerman as quickly as possible or better still PolishPolish.
EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN....For those of you who wish to vote BNP the next time you go to vote, please PLEASE take a PEN with you. I admit to voting for that party and for the UKIP for my local area and all that was there for the voters were pencils which i think, people rub out and put something different, and that is why the bnp have never won yet.. Remember,, take a pen so your vote cannot be rubbed out.
Com'n all you patriotic British nationals get a reality check please. Compare the number of Birtish nationals living on benefits as part of the total population to the number of immigrants who live on benefits. You will find that immigrants do not come to Britain to claim benefits but to make an honest living and return to their countries in few years time. the number of British nationals, though, who live on benefits is ridicolously high. So if you are paying for anything, its for your own people.
The lunatics who allowed this law on our behalf are wasting my hard earned taxes..... I am not giving any more until the government act fairly on my behalf.
Yes there is a way out of this mess, withdraw from this club which is run by a group of idiots who want to reduce the UK to the level of a third world country. It's time the British people said enough is enough and took to the streets to demonstrate against this rediculous situation.
I am in utter despair, will no one in the political establishment do something to save our country from completely going under? Will no one act in the national interest for once?
They are coming to take you away ha ha.
This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 3/3/2011 11:30................................Yeah yeah, blame Labour once again, but you probably haven't looked into this latest work of utter fiction by the Mail because in your view, that'd require too much effort, and so the best policy is to read the headline alone and set off on aLabour-bashing tour (and I'm not even a Labour supporter). However, I'm pleased to inform you that your comment has a comedy rating of 7 out of 10. A bit of Blair and Brown bashing, along with a few pseudonyms would've increased its funniness a bit.
NO Dave, you MUST stop putting other countries and the people of other countries BEFORE your own. Stop being a traitor to this country. Get us OUT of the EU, stop ALL immigration, deport thousands already here and leeching off us. TRY, just TRY to find a backbone somewhere and put a STOP to all this. We MUST get out of the EU and that is just for starters. We used to be GREAT Britain, now we're just a GREAT joke around the world.
It is time for a referendum on pulling out of the EU.I would definitely vote yes to that.Come on Mr Cameron give us a vote or face losing the next election.
Isn't it about time we got the EU to take on some of our ideas instead of us having to take their nonsense all the time?
Unfortunately , this EU dross has been coming here for years. You can see them all lolling about in any town up and down this benighted land. They come here just to get our benefits - they have no intention of doing any work Hardly hear any English people's voices in my town these days - most seem to be from the backwaters of the newEU.
If you accept this Britain you are just fools led by a bunch of fools. it would not happen in France!!
I am an OAP I get £73 pension per week + NHS nurses' 'generous' pension' of about the same, a total of About £150 per week can I get this upgraded to a migrant's £250 benefit? I have worked all my life and I feel neglected by all governments.
Words fail me..... why do I bother to work and pay my taxes!!
This si becoming ridiculous, it's about time we left the EU!
For goodness sake when will this weak country find it's teeth and say enough is enough. I'm sick of flogging myself doing one full time job and two part time jobs to keep afloat only for it to be paid out to someone whose paid b-all into the system. Is the govenment(and I don't actually care which one)capable of putting it's own people first or is it going to be forever doing it's Euriah Heap impersonation weasling around the great and mighty EU? Speaking of which, when is there going to be justification for their overblown pay and expenses? The French won't pay any social to foreigners until they have worked and can speak the language - bit of a hint about what needs to be done - speaking the language would be a start.
what is the point in working anymore, i feel so sorry to our future generations and the mess we have left them ...........
The stupid politicians canÂ’t open their eyes wide enough to see that the people have had enough. They only react when they themselves are threatened with losing money and power. Watch this spaceÂ…
This is what Labour signed up to just as it did to bail out other European countries ie Portugal Greece and Spain.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be! - Paul, Leeds UK, 03/3/2011 12:26 ************************************************************************* Paul, Leeds you have said it ALL . I was too young to vote back then . My late Father, and Grandmother , voted NO. WE NEED A REFERENDUM NOW. I'm 52 years old YET have never had the opportunatey to vote on this matter., just like millions of others in my age group, and younger.
My God! I can't even weep for my country.It's been sold off as a sattelite to the E.U.Never mind true Brits just work your socks off to keep thiese middle European free loaders in absolute luxury.Revolution any body?
You aint seen nothing yet, Turkey and her millions, and the millions waiting on her borders to be part of the EU, will swamp this country, and and be the cause of civil unrest the like of witch this country has not seen before, and the chief Donkey is all for it.
Vote for BNP. Get our country back under English rule. It's up to the public to vote outside of the big three. We've had enough of this EU rubbish. Tell them where to stick it
I see the call for a referendum on leaving the EU, but I have this sick feeling that even if the vote were to get out, the UK government would probably find they were prohibited from doing so without EU approval. I watch Lebanon, and various other international hotspots, and wonder whether this is what is needed in this country. It seems just voting democratically is no longer effective, as our MPs are either unwilling to go against the EU guidelines, or are unable to. What a sad reflection on 21st century Great Britain.
For me this is the last straw. I will never accept an EU policy that does this to our country. Cameron, you are finished !!
I million pensioners could be given a £25 per week rise with this money
WHATS THE POINT OF WORKING, PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE BETTER OFF THAN WORKERS, ITS ALL WRONG.
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Right that's it. Making sure now that my kids emigrate and hope we can eventually follow. What with this ,and the inevitable influx of ME immigrants (s0called refugees-of their own making) after their rioting and who are now starting to flee en- masse to the West, we will soon be over-flowing to more than full. We will in Europe soon be designated to third world status unless we get out of the EU NOW. Maybe, thinking about it, time to buy an uninhabited large island somewhere, and start a new country, anyone else in for it??
A friend of mine, a Brit, having worked & paid tax in France for 33 years fell on hard times (made redundant at 53, hard to get a job), enquired to British authorities if he could come back to the UK and get some benefits while looking for a job. Answer, NO, you are British, you are not entitled to anything. So, he is now thinking of taking Latvian nationality to go back to the UK and claim for everything! Kind of sick, is it not?
David cameron shouts about the freedom of people against goverments who dont listen to there people and are un democratic what about the people of the uk we want out of the eu, so lets have a democratic debate for and against and then a vote before we lose our great country for ever,i for one would march to london to demand this we need change any one with me.
It just keeps getting worse. This country has been successively destroyed by a parliament of morons. We plainly no longer need parliament, it is not fit for purpose. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, hopefully the UK next to get freedom and democracy!
Why aren't they queueing up to go to the other EU countries? Because our benefits system is riddled with stupidities and run by stupids. If we just made it impossible to claim unless you've worked and paid tax for, say 3 years, then they wouldn't come here us benefits tourists. It might help deal with the home grown scroungers as well.
remember to work harder so your taxes can be used to pay more people on benefits, oh and don;t leave your home because if they squat in your home you'll never get them out either!!! welcome to UK don;t you just love it???
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. What they mean't to say was "strict rules would remain in place for the British citizens to make them third world citizens, but foreigners will be allowed to come here as benefit tourists and claim what they like. We will help them by printing leaflets on how to claim all benefits in all relevent languages, but not in English". Non-Jobcentre trators, all of them.
A shiver ran round the cabinet meeting room looking for a spine to run up.
Here we go again ..... let's treat the immigrants better than those people who were born in the UK and have worked all their lives paying taxes and national insurance. Time to take the country back people .......
Britain is powerless to fight this decision? Cameron and his useless sidekick should hold a referendum on telling the EU to take a hike and bailing out. They should do it NOW, while there's still time!
the govt. is going reduce benefits for UK people cos how else are we going to afford to support eastern europeans...............this is all Labour's fault. and Nick Clegg is too pro europe. how is any of this going to help our country get out of recession? we have to stop doing what the european court says. no other country is so generous/stupid with benefits. we can't afford this. we really can't.
In these 'special circumstances' involving new East European EEC citizens there surely cannot be resentment to their receiving basic benefit when not in work. Politically these 'safetynet' concessions are a small price to pay for 'locking-in' former communist states to our western values. We cannot have it all ways and these are after all reciprocal arrangements. The family elders of these citizens went through a dreadful world war in Europe just as ours did - unlike the 'other' dead wood we have 'welcomed in' and supported from the four corners of the earth!!
OUT OF THE E.U NOW.
So let me get this right. I and many other have worked and paid into the system for over 40 years without getting a penny back ansome foreigner walks into the Coutry and straight away starts taking money without having contributed. The time is approaching when we need to come out of the EU.
Gets us out of the EU now,,,, Disgusting that people who have never paid any taxes into this country are allowed to claim benefits.. Sent the lot back, we can hardly pay for our Eduction/NHS/Armed Forces/ OAP's now.... what the hell will it be like in ten years time..... David Cameron your spinless....................GIVE US A VOTE TO GET OUT OF EUROPE.............................
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either
Enough is enough why cant people come into this country with money and something to offer us like Australia insist on. Soon it will not be worth us ordinary tax payers going to work if we are only paying to keep lazy imigrants who come here for a free ride
I only got £64 a week and that ran out after 6 months.
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state? - Oflife, Oxford, 3/3/2011 12:21 The state should provide a safety net for any of our citizens who is temporarily out of work or is incapable of working. For most of my adult life I've worked for a living and paid my taxes, but I've been out of work in the past and claimed dole and housing benefit and had no qualms about it. That's all it should be though, a safety net for OUR citizens - it should NOT be a lifestyle choice for idle home-grown chavs NOR a bottomless source of free money, housing etc for all the freeloaders in the world.
Simple, no-one draws a penny from our benefits system unless they have paid in. Yes, it IS time to take to the streets and march in protest.
Im an ex pat and left the UK for good ten years ago but it makes my blood boil to see what the EU and the UKs toothless government are doing to my fellow countrymen and women. Why do you stand for it, why are you not marching in your millions on London? I'll tell you why because slowly and systematically you have had the life and the will sucked out of you by the EU and successive governments who are only concerned with self promotion. Do you think the French would swallow this? Blackadder's General Melchet was right....'When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall a pig headed refusal to look facts in the face will always see us through'. Not this time, not this time please! I will tell you straight I would rather die than come back to live in the UK.
The UK can do something about it. My brother lives in France - the system there is biased for the French. Even if you wanted to work at the local Leisure Centre behind the desk, you would need to take French exams to get a French qualification to do that job. The UK needs to wise up.
about time we got out of the EU.... I'm sure it costs us more than the benefits it gives..
He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......! - martin, hant's, 03/3/2011 12:20 I'd vote out tomorrow but to correct one point, Labour have already destoryed it. Most of the rullings we are getting are form Tony and Gordy running up the white flag. Dissapointed that Davey has not pulled it down and run up the union flag.
Let us simply tell the EU where to stuff it's rulings.
We reap what the politicians have sown! A mass demonstration on the day of the royal wedding would get their attention!
the answer is simple...close our borders NOW ...before it costs us billions of pounds more to people who have never contributed a penny to our system...
When Europe tell our government to JUMP they ask how HIGH. We need to GET OUT OF EUROPE.
In the year 2011 what possible excuse do we have not to stop this? we have BNP we have UKIP. Or do some of you want this? your choice.
There will be no jobs, no houses, no pensions, no health service left. for anybody soon. The migrants have bled this country dry. We can't take the whole world into this small country. Why can't they go to underpopulated places like New Zealand and Australia.
Grrrrrrrr this has really annoyed me.....it is very frustrating
To be fair, most people who come from East European or outside of EU are working 2-3 times harder than British people in order to establish themselves in this country. Without their contribution, London's hospitality and service industry is DEAD. We should focus on our own crisis - far too many Brits sit at home watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about government while claiming benefits!!!
The current system allows people claim benefit only if they have saving less than 16K. The biggest loophole is, no immigrat will be stupid enough to say they have 16K saved in the bank. The will comfortably saving all their money in the bank in their own county and come into this country claiming benefits from the begining. This is totally unfair, and will be quickly abused by millions of foreigners flooding into this country. I see the UK heading to bankcrupcy due to its own stupidity and mismanagement.
I was driven out of work 16 yrs ago, lived on my savings for several years. Then i found that because of the gap I am not entitled to a penny from the state. I even recieved a letter offering me the opportunity to pay £800 per year for 7years to qualify for a state pension. I wrote a letter to the then responsible minister, who more or less told me to get lost. This minister was later found to be employing his 80+ year old mother as a parliamentary assistant during the expenses scandal.
If we are going to remain in the EU and be subject to all these EU regulations then maybe all benefits payable across all the EU countires should be standardised. So that no matter where you claim benefits, the value would be the same.
is anything left in uk???
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did.
No taxation without representation! And no, those MEPs are not representing our interests, they couldn't even if they wanted to as they're a very expensive rubber stamp for whatever the EU commissioners see fit for them to vote on. We want out of the EU and I suggest we have a General Strike until we are given the Referendum we were promised.
I voted UKIP too. Even though they got 919,546 votes they received no seats in parliament. While Democratic Unionist Party got 168,216 they received 8 seats. Right... Democracy's so fair. I thought the Lib dems were going to change the voting system... I guess not.
The problem a lot of people miss is this: Under EU regulations all EU citizens must be treated the same under the applicable laws/regulations of a country. It is not permissible to apply double standards - one for foreign EU citizens and a different one for UK citizens. Other countries who don't have the same problems with benefits for EU citizens obviously have different rules altogether for eligibility for benefits. In the UK we qualify for benefits as soon as we are out of a job (whether you have ever worked or not). This is the whole reason why we have so many people on the dole who have never worked. If we are allowing UK citizens benefits from day one then we must allow foreign EU citizens the same. If our laws were changed for UK citizens (no benefits until you have paid in contributions for X number of years, then it would be perfectly acceptable to treat EU immigrants the same. This is succesfully done in other contries and can only be advantageous for the UK.
It is disgusting, when my partner was made redundant last year, after 6 months he was entitled to nothing because apparently I earn 'too much money', despite him having paid national insurance and tax and working since he was 16.......this country is becoming the Ubend of Europe.
Time to change our relationship with Europe......... Time to vote UKIP
THERE IS GONNA BE ONE HECK OF A RIOT SOON IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THE SLEEPING BRITISH BULLDOG WAKES UP
I'm starting to feel very trapped and depressed and wondering if my children have a future. Is life worth all this worry?
If this is the same rule for all EU countries then wahts the problem, but it isn't. I wouldlike to see a UK peson come to Spain and claim anything from the state if they haven't lived here for at least a year without working. I f they have a job and lose it then Ok. That seems to be the difference.We need a level playing field across Europe. Peoplwill the truly be free to move around in search of work, it must work both ways.
god we need another Thatcher
You can either have a state safety net, or you can have unlimited immigration. You can't have both, the numbers just don't add up.
3rd world Britain here we come - we may be daft, we may be stupid - but the world will never be able to call us bigots! Labour has enabled us to hold our heads up high, even though we are now on our knees, and broken ....GOOD OLD LABOUR, and now thanks to U-turn Cameron and Part time Clegg we can carry on with this proud tradition - am so glad to be British!
absolutley sickening. I dont know how they get away with this. Do they not want the best for their country?? i just dont understand what goes through their mind that this is a good decison
CANT WE SAY NO?? THIS ISNT DEMOCRACY!!!!
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 Fine speak your point but please don't insult our NHS system which I am sure if you were ill, YOU would use! Currently they are looking after my cancer ridden Father which would have gone into the thousands had I had to pay. Are you telling me you would not call an NHS ambulance if you had a terrible accident?????
My own personal experience leads me to believe that many EE's do indeed come here for the 'benefit' advantages. I paid into the sytem since I was 16 (18 years) and when I came back from spending a year abroad, I was unemployed for some time but not entitled to benefits because I hadn't paid my tax for that year. It's not right to blame the immigrants, it's the government who are an absolute disgrace.
Unless you take to the streets you will be ignored. i don't think you will so you will be ignored
Great Britain has just died. Maybe the National Anthem should be changed to "God save our sad little Britain".....why God? because the numpty politicians will never try to save it! Sounds like we need a REVOLUTION!!! Over throw the Politicians and have a People's Party. Benefits to be claimed ONLY by those who have worked for 1 year and then they can only claim for 1 year (just like the French system). You need to have worked for longer than you claim. As well as immigrants, lets get the deadleg chavs off the dole too. Get people creating small companies, selling services (DIY, cleaning, cooking, gardening, language lessons) to the neighbours if all be it - anything to get people contributing to society.
What an utter shambles the EU is. Not a thought for cost, the impact on indigenous peoples, national budgets and so forth. How on earth can any national government work properly in such circumstances ?
Stormtrooper said "You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). " Agreed in principle but the majority of these tradespeople file minimal profits, pay minimal tax and avoid VAT because most of their revenue is cash in hand whilst deducting all their expenses. The customers may be equal accessories to this fraud but it doesn't change the reality. I know one declaring £8k profit but has a £400k house and a buy to let using self-cert mortgages. There is also a massive leakage of cash to countries of origin which harms the UK economy.
The sooner our brainless politicians realise that being in the EU is NOT in the countries best interest the better.
And they can claim UK pensions in addition to their own which are higher in many cases than UK pensions are. This whole farce is a total travesty and if the UK is forced to pay these people, then our politicians need to take a close look at the amount we pay the EU and take away the amount we are having to pay non UK citizens. The only other possibility is to come out of the EU -then remove all those EU and non-EU citizens that EU membership has forced us to take in, feed, house and educate - that is the cheaper option and may actually give us our country back
Let's get out of the EU, then you will have to find someone else to blame for the bad policies our leaders keep making. It's all too easy for them to blame it all on the EU at the moment, and is probably a major reason why they refuse to get us out, and that even applies to the Conservatives who keep on insisting that they are anti-EU strangely enough. I doubt we will be allowed to have a referendum on it anytime soon.
If Cameron is still prepared to send millions in foreign aid to despotic dictators who use it to fund their lavish life styles, then he ain't going be troubled about paying a few million quid of tax payers money to immigrants.
David Cameron will never hold a referendum on the EU because he - like all politicians - look to Europe as a very luxurious gravy train if and when he is kicked out of office. Kinnock is an example. He was an abject failure as a politician in this country but went on to amass a fortune in pay and expenses in Brussels. It doesn't matter which party is in power - they are all the same. We could pay off the debt that Brown left us with within a year if we didn't have to hand trillions over to the crooks in Brussels. The only way we will get out of the EU is if we take to the streets and demand it.
The way to stop this happening is by changing the benefit system in this country so that only people who have paid tax in this country for five years would be able to claim. This would stop immigrants being able to claim and also a lot of bone idle workshy British layabouts from scrounging off the dole.
Mr.Cameron...JUST SAY NO. People in the UK are really starting to hate the EU now and there will be reaction to it if something is not done to stop this madness. Boycotting Made in EU products will help, and boycotting EU holiday resorts outside of the UK will too, but we need Government action...NOW.
ONE STEP NEARER TO THE REVOLUTION.......
Under the new rules being forced through at the moment the DWP will have the ability to cut benefit if THEY think a person is not making enough effort to find work. This includes missing 'back to work' classes they set up, even if it is to go for a job interview. Looks like they knew this was going to happen and were making the money available.
Tell the EU to stuff it, this is our Country and we alone should make the rules that govern it!
AM I GLAD my mum and dad brother and myself left back in 1957...because britain is only a pale Shade of itself when i was a kid ..its gone to the migrants
some.bloke, england, 3/3/2011 11:38.......So let me get this right....These people will not get a penny in benefits, that then must mean it is not going to cost us one penny for them to stay.....I have never known the government of this country let any illegal die of hunger let alone legals. If they are put in prison or put in detention centres we still have to feed them along with all the other trimmings. There is absolutely no way that 100,000 people can land on our shores and it will not cost us a penny. And even if it was just a penny it is still too much when our own people are going without. This lifeboat is full, we are going to have to pull away and leave those still in the water.
These East European migrants are taxpayers in this country. They pay their contributions, so if they fall on hard times they must surely be entitled to benefits just like anyone else.The vast majority return to their home country, so make no demands on the welfare system. It's very different to the case of British immigrants (so-called "ex-pats") in Spain, who sponge off the Spanish health system without having made any contributions, and refuse to learn the language or integrate in society.
When is this farce going to end? Its not rocket science. The Government has the ability to deport illegal immigrants but fails to so in any significant number. It also has the ability to ignore the EU when it chooses to do so. The upshot is that while immigrants get favourable treatment the rest of us suffer. Its plain daft and makes no sense. It wouldn't happen anywhere else. Come on Cameron do what we elected you for and get on with it.
the e.u is determined to destroy our lovely u.k. if our government refused to cooperate with this ridiculas edict the e.u could do nothing about it.what happend when france banned the burkah all the e.u.did was sabre rattling,nothing was done to france.what we want is another lady thatcher.
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this. - aw, surrey, 3/3/2011 11:47..........Cameron could have his hands tied by a daisy chain and the wet, gutless wimp would still not be able to break out of it. You should have all voted UKIP instead of voting for the lesser of two evils. Cameron has no fire in his belly.
I do not see the problem here. Like many immigrants they work hard and contribute to the economy of a country. Some of the best workers are from the east of Europe. They are just as entitled to claim benefits as anyone else. It is what social care is about. They pay into the system so can claim. Too many Brits are work shy.
Simple solution - The rule should be that EU citizens can claim benefits in any EU country but it is paid at the rates prevalent in their home country. Economic migration would stop overnight
TIME FOR A GENERAL STRIKE.
The 'Daily Express' has been calling for the electoral reform vote on May 5th t also include a vote on the EU membership of the UK. Despite over 370,000 signing a petition asking for a voice on who actually governs us, Downing Street has responded that membership of the EU is in our best interests, and therefore there will be no referendum on this issue!!! So much for Dave promising to listen to the people! Why are these damned politicians convinced that they know what is right for us? Such arrogance! I am becoming more and more convinced that we need to take to the streets in huge numbers to show we have had enough of our country being destroyed, whilst the politicians aid and abet, or at best look the other way.
Well I can think of only two things to stop this problem.. 1. Opt out of the EU 2. Stop all benefits entirely, that way the scroungers who are already living the life of laziness can get off their backsides and earn a wage and those who are planning to come into the UK for the same life will think twice about it. Though I expect not many people will agree with me I think it is time that people earn a wage and get some self respect into their lives.
Out of Europe now please...we can't afford any of this club anymore..let's ditch our membership
"I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 " Roy, what the article does not point out, but is in fact what is happening, is that this is pretty much exactly what the situation will be in the UK as well.
It's time we left the EU and before the winging Europhiles say we couldn't survive; well most of the world does very well without it. Norway for instance VOTE UKIP every time you can.
I'm from Australia, my grandmother was English and I can't/don't receive any pension/job seeker allowance at all, yet someone from a non Commonwealth Eastern bloc country can?! To say they're cracking down on immigration is a farce, all they're doing is stopped well educated people from outside the EU from coming in while opening the floodgates to any old person from inside it. The UK is being dragged down to the standards of the rest of the EU, which for the most part isn't as prosperous. Things will go from bad to worse.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be!
The fourth reich speaks. Time to take our country back, stuff the Middle East, we need revolution here.
Can some one with a large calculator work out the cost of 100000 people who can claim up to 250 pounds per week plus health and schooling and all the add on,s and then tell me where the money will come from, thank you
What is the point of becoming an MP if you are only going to do as you're told by unelected bureaucrats, if you don't want to govern, resign and let someone else be elected who wants to do their best for this country. When you consider the length of time that Parliament doesn't sit, all of the school holidays, and the number of MPs in Parliament for various debates, says to me that they are not interested in running the country at all.
I moved back to the Uk for a short time and had to fill in Habitual Residence Test ,i'm 100% British but i had to prove i had a reason for living there,i was not impressed,no such thing as British any more,whether we like it or not,we are treated as European by our own Government:(( Living in Greece for the last 20 years,unless you have worked and paid in to the NHS system,there are no benefits for Greeks let alone foreigners,no council rebates,no help paying your rent,no child benefit,all we have here,is help from family. So why should foreigners,with no benefits systems in there own country get British benefits?
How can anyone vote for other than UKIP?
For the sake of our country get a grip.This cannot be right,are my human rights out of order? I cannot afford to continue to pay more and more taxes to fund anyone who has never contributed to the UK in their lives.
Exercise your right to protest - Stop the Cuts March 26th London. If you are in a union, check if transport is being laid on. This is your chance to take to the streets.
Only one party will get us out of the robbing EU, The British National Party. Guess what, at the next election, the sheep will vote for a mixture of the traitorous big three parties again.
What are you going to do about this Mr Cameron ? another kick in the teeth for the weary British Tax paying electorate.
The worse thing is that it is widely known that they claim benefit with their real details and also work with forged documents and these are cleaners in hospitals
Britain is not powerless to prevent this fiasco. All that is required is for Cameron to offer a referendum to offer us the choice of whether or not we wish to be part of the EU. This would have to be restricted to citizens of the UK and exclude foreign nationals from voting. However, I know only too well that I'm living in fantasy land.
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron
So basically British workers, who have become ill and unable to work are to be hounded where ever they go, the Government is trying to take our benefits off us... take our DLA off us and leave us penniless and homeless yet the bloody foreigners are to fetched over in the millions and given everything! What kind of incentive is this to our people? Work... that would be good, IF there were any jobs left open to Brits that is!!! NO to the EU
It's not just that they live on benefits - Our NHS is crashing down around our ears because of a lack of funds - there is a fundamental lack of housing for OUR OWN PEOPLE never mind those people. Our children (my son is 23) CANNOT GET ONTO THE PROPERTY LADDER - he has also been turned down for council housing because he earns a reasonably decent salary. THIS IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING and the message to Messrs Cameron and Clegg sort it out before we all vote UKIP
When I was out of work for 18 months last year for the 1st time in 30 years, I was allowed to claim JSA for 6 months only, after that I got nothing. So despite paying into the system for years when I wanted something back I got very little. Isn't it about time our government stood up and said if you pay nothing in you get nothing out, this means to migrants or people that have lived in this country and scrounged for years.
For those hoping that cameron wil get us out of the EU think again hes a europhile at heart.
I am just beyond disgusted at the chinless nature of our politicians. We are a people and we have a land - CAN YOU GET THAT SIMPLE IDEA OF NATIONHOOD INTO YOUR TINY POLITICALLY CORRECT HEADS PLEASE. PLEASE!
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state?
Now I know the meaning of the big society
"Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford. - Kathleen, Wakefield, West Yorks, 3/3/2011 10:26" Actually the E.U. Annual Budget is around £100 "Billion",.... Then there is aprox' 80% of all Vat collected, (it's an E.U. tax), & the E.U. Levy (tax) on everything we buy that does Not come from member states, (clothes, electricals, etc.), & that is somewhere between another £100-200 Billion...... Total = aprox' ££300 Billion,........ And what do We Get out of the E.U. ?......... Nothing But Grief........... Also,..Davey Boy Wants to Spend ££30 Billion on a So called Fast Rail Link to Brum',......BUT,...... At the Same time He IS TRASHING Our Armed Forces to Save £10-20 Billion, he says we Cant Afford.......... Now,...Do the Maths & you will Quickly come to the Conclusion that "Call me Dave" Has an ATTROCIOUS Sense of Priorities......... He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......!
Well well well....... here we go again...........
Next they will be after a pound of flesh, from us, to feed the immigrants! Lets get the hell out of EU and get rid of the crazy government! I'm for taking to the streets, worked all my life to look after my family and help build up the country after the war. This government may as well ask us to open our purses and dish out money Willy Nilly! Over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The UK needs to get OUT of the EU while there are still a few remnants of the UK intact. Otherwise, Britain will have to be spoken of in the past tense.
...migrants...........will no longer have to register if they wish to WORK for a month or more in Britain. The key word is WORK. Surely they can't just come here and register for benefits and all that that entails.
stuff the EU, and kick these leaches out.
It is so bad that these people can come into our country and claim benefits, when our own are being taken off it and expected to survive on fresh air, where is the justice in that, and we cannot complain about it because if we do we are called racist!!
Time to take to the streets and claim back our country form the morons that dictate from over seas. Why arn't our lilly liver government reacting in the same way the did when prisoners where allowed the vote. We have cuts being implemented at every corner yet we will pay millions to these parasites that have our benefit system ready for milking in their sites. Today the Middle East tomorrow Europe, lets follow suit and rise up and rid our country and lives of these blinker idiots that are hell bent on destroying the UK both from within and abroad.
An absolute joke, 5 million unemployed, bankrupt and still more migrants. Britain is finished due to pandering to the champagne,leftist,socialists.
Nay nay and thrice nay.........we do not want any more immigrants. We are full up. Do something Camoron. YOU PROMISED SOOOOOOOOOOO much but have delivered NOTHING. Things just keep on getting worse and worse . You can't blame anybody else, this is all YOUR mess. Put a stop to it, if you have the guts of course! Get us out of the EU, it's what we all want.
you get what you deserve. idiots voted for labour and clowns voted for the tories.heath took us in the eu and wilson kept us in.the great plan is the united states of europe so these migrants are entitiled to everything that the poor brit is entitled to.you reap what you sow.live with it or vote for the party that will take you out of the eu.the uk is nothing but a collection of sheep .anyone with sense left years ago
This why Cameron is robbing his own people in order to pay for this. Another reason why Great Britain should get out of the EU. How much more does it take to move these Politicians?
I'm voting BNP in the future.
Dear old Dave!talks big on benefits, then lets another 100,000 in! oh the intelligence!
Get out of Europe NOW.. VOTE UKIP NEXT TIME Our Government MUST have the final say, this country is BANKRUPT we cant afford to pay out more money to those that dont contribute in paying taxes, and come here for a FREE ride.. When Will the British people take to the streets and bring this country to a halt? Another LABOUR cock up to add to the long list.
This country is the Toilet of Europe. The Past and present governments are to blame they are weak and corrupt. Our Kings and Queens were once the ultimate leaders, they too over the years have become weak with no voice, the present Queen should take control of this country and put the british people first, if not why is she there?? Nothing good will come out of another 100,00 people able and allowed claim and to scam, EU or British it makes no difference any more there is no GREAT in Britain now, if I could leave now I would, but all the other country's have immigration rules they stick too, so welcome to the biggest open prison in the world. I don't blame all the people that come here and scam and claim, the only ones to blame are the leaders of this now crap country. PEOPLE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEADERS WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
Doubt the DM will publish this but if they care about democracy or the country they will. A competitor paper (DE) is running a campaign to force government to include Euro referendum in May alongside the political reform proposed changes we're being asked to vote on. If you care enough write to your MP now and demand they support the campaign to have a 'do we stay in or out of europe' question added to the ballot paper. A number of MP's already support it - we're spending £250Million on a political reform vote to it's a very cost effective way of getting the more important issue of European membership sorted once and for all. It's a bigger threat and drain on our resources than any other. So if you care get onto your MP now and ensure they support democracy.
time to leave the eu and if cameron wont listen to the people who pay his salary perhaps its time for the people of this country to stand up and be counted we need another general election instead of the one for electoral reformon 5th may. disgruntled gran
You are going to have to accept CAMEROON WILL NEVER GIVE A REFERENDUM ON THE EU. Even if it costs the tory/lib the next election. The man is EU, through and through.
Thought they already did - I guess my town is no different from most others and all day every day there are more of these EU dross hanging round all day in coffee bars, or street drinking with no work and no intention of doing anything except bum off our benefit system. More foreign voices than English ones now on our local buses, in our shops and elsewhere...
I think it is nearly time for the people of this Country to stand up for themselves and this, their own Country. What is the point in paying tax on so many things, and paying their taxes i it is given away to foreigners that have absolutely no interest in this Country except its "hand-outs? What on earth are we paying British Politicians for when they too have to obey foreign EU Ruling? The people have never agreed to the giving of British Sovereignty (authority) to foreigners. I wouldn't trust them to hold a referendum Anymore because the stakes are too high for them to lose. And the people would never be allowed to win. I no longer trust any Politician any more. Even the Census paper with its extra intrusive questions come from the EU, and is written in the EU Journal of 13th 8.2008, page L 218/14. Our Government have known since 2008 yet have not had the GUTS to tell us the truth. Do YOU trust them anymore?
No Englishman voted for this. RESIGN FROM THE EU NOW!
If somebody organised a mass protest outside Westminster to demand we got out of the EU and stop this madness, I would be willing to go even although it would not be easy for me to do this. I am sick to death of seeing the state this country has become because of the refusal of the leaders to get us out of the EU, as if our membership is set in stone. It is not. They are continuing in it for their own ends and not for our benefit. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes and we appear to be powerless to do anything about it. Treason on a mass scale been committed by what they have done in giving away our Sovereignty to an unelected Marxist Dictatorship in Brussels and never consulted the people. No way should we allow any more migrants and their dependants from the poor EU countries in when we don't even need them, or give them all this money as well when we are cut to the bone on our resources and the UK people are going without themselves.
Can someone please get us out of this awful EU..... Please Please Please vote UKIP (I voted for the Torise last time, But never again...
We allow anyone in and they can claim all the benefits they want, they must think it's paradise to come and live here in Britain and get the handouts they want, then when we want something, you try and get it. What's up with this country? Why can't they look after their own first? We then allow the EU to DICTATE all our rules and regulations from people who are unelected by this country - ridiculous. And we're paying for them all on their gravy train. Just think of the billions of pounds that could go towards hospitals etc etc, wouldn't need to be cuts then. No one else abides by the rules so why is it that Britain is the only country that does. Get us out of the EU now!
"Britain powerless to counter the move"? Absolute rubbish. All it would take is someone in the government with the balls to say NO to the EU!!!!! The sooner we get out of the EU the better off we will be. As they have been unable to get their accounts "signed off" for many years they are obviously corrupt to the core so we should be no part of it.
I hate to say this , people , but you all had the chance to vote UKIP and BNP .
Eastern Europeans and Asylum Seekers are coming here with not one penny to their name because they know the British taxpayer will house and feed them, we desperately need a Government that puts The British People and THEIR beloved islands before foreigners human rights, and EU legislation.
Why have the eu not disolved the english government. they do everything else to ruin us partly, they can do it completely by getting rid of the gov; while they are at it why do we have to subsidise the welsh scotish and irish parliments and people when they do not pay anything back to this broken country,.
Daily Mail ,please start a petition now to hand in to No 10 Downing street demanding a vote on getting us out of the EU.You can read the majority of comments on here as well as I can, Do it now please ,lets take our coutry back from the hands of the EU.
Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31 Try and show a little humility and respect for your hosts - rather than just spouting off a venomous assault on the people who have accepted you to their country. Instead, you should try and understand how we work and what has happened to our country in the last 13 years - then you might, just might, understand where we are coming from. If you don't like us then please leave.
We shall fight them on the beaches......
No good just moaning about it, actions speak louder than words.
Leave the EU. Now.
Dave Cameron; How many more time do I (and others) have to say this...QUIT THE DREADFUL EU! Give us the promised referendum! LISTEN to the people that you were elected to represent. Show just a little bit of backbone and IGNORE the 'human rights brigades' and the 'pc crowds'. On leaving the EU, our balance of payments with the remaining EU will IMPROVE, trade WILL CONTINUE (these other countries will still want to sell us their wares), we will bve able to control immigration, we will be able to give benefits only after the claimant has worked for a period and paid taxes, we will be able to work to UK laws again, we will not have to support vast armies of EU beaurocrats, etc, etc.
Wonderful, an immigrant worker can claim up to £250 PER WEEK! not having paid into the system, or only paying for a few months, ands a poor OAP, having paid in all their lives, and in many cases having fought for their country, have to struggle on less than £100 PER WEEK! One word DISGUSTING!!!!!!!
I spend a lot of time in other European countries and believe me I would get NOTHING if I tried to get benefits in any of them Uk Dumber than dumb as usual They think we are a joke JJ
I agree its time we stood up to the EU, yes some come from these countries and do work and pay taxes, but many many more, come to the UK because we are a easy target for claiming benefits, I am a tax payer and I object to letting these people come here and claim benefits while I might lose my job because of all the cut backs. Just how much more do we take from the EU before we do something about it. No longer is this a green and pleasant land.
Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 UKIP are just as useless, they have more than enough greedy MPs dipping into the EU pocket, have a look at the official figures for the time they spend 'working' compared to what they claim for........sorry but it's time for the BNP, it's time to take our country back.
For people commenting negitively on yet anoher E.U Directive it's too late. You all had the chance to use democracy in the last General Election and vote for UKIP if you do not like the UK being a member of th EU. Your only options now are to"Lump It" or join all the Brits in Spain remembering here in Spain the government only abides by E.U. regulations that it favours and disregards the rest. Try getting any benefits here! although you can smoke any where you like.
It's like a form of genocide. They can ignore us as we are "just" British. Enough is enough. Time to stop complaining and start acting. I will only vote UKIP from now on.
May God Help Us All...
I have nothing against EU workers, most of them work hard and are friendly, but British born workers must be put FIRST, SECOND & THIRD otherwise we will see cultural and social breakdown on a massive scale....... British born workers must be put first!!!!!
Yes, well we've only ourselves to blame! If the benefits weren't so generous, then they wouldn't be flocking here would they? What about the immigrants from the third world countries who come here by the millions claiming political asylum? They get access to benefits as soon as they step on British soil, then they invite their large families over to join them here, I suppose EU immigrants are only going to be entitled to the same rules of getting benefits as the others, so that there is no discrimination by having to wait 12 months before they are allowed to claim. By all means, let's get out of the EU, it won't stop the third world citizens from queuing up to get in here though, there are many conflicts going on at present to ensure that. The government will continue to do as they see fit and let them all in on the false basis that they will be good for the economy of this country. They should simply stop making it so attractive to come here in the first place!
Bring them all! Plenty of room!
Can the last one out make sure the lights are off please?
Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now
I see all the BNP and UKIP nutters are out in force today. These people are seriously deluded if they think that wasting a vote on these so-called parties will change anything. You might as well waste your vote by voting for the Monster Raving Loonies. In fact, they're not so very different.
"What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration?"-- Harken, European Dictatorship, 03/3/2011 -------------------------- The UK had the option to restrict immigration from the new member states too, but the CBI lobbied for cheap labour (and still are).
One day after... 100,000 over 75's still working (mostly English I suspect).... makes you proud!
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days! - Anthony, Halifax, 3/3/2011 11:16 That could all change within a day...Let's hope it does you selfish man.
One of the major reasons I left England was the EU. Britain never needed to join it and should get out now and tell the EU to stuff their stupid laws.
britain unite, britain b strong ,B.N.P..u know it makes sense.. now its our turn
Aren't we a generous country eh; lets look after all the immigrants but sod the rest of us. My husband has had years of illness nearly died a few times but because he can peel a carrot gets knack all apart from £180 a month and I work my socks off so my taxes can encourage more anad more scroungers into the country, I love Britain!!
Damien Green's plan to reduce immigration to 'the tens of thousands' is just a lie. We cannot control immigration from the EU so we have a limitless flood from the member states and tens of thousands from outside the EU. All this at a time when unemployment is soaring and almost a million young people are out of work and with no future. I am sick of being milked through my tax to pay for so many people who contribute nothing. I'd love to have some to spare to help my own family. Cameron never intended to control immigration, despite his pre-election promises, and he's promoting Turkey joining the EU! A recipe for disaster for the UK.
Can anyone give advice which Country is best to emmigrate to?I simply have had enough!! this makes my blood boil!!British have to let this useless government know how we feel!!Marches anyone ?any suggestions ?!and lets face it theres more waiting to arrive in Britain, which we will be contributing to !!
This is immoral and verging on fraud. Most of these people have not paid into the welfare system (like most of us have) - yet they come here to feed off it. How low is the EU and its cohorts going to be allowed to stoop before something is done about their illegal and auocratic law making. I hope the europhiles are watching what is happening in the middle east (and to a certain extent in Greece) and taking note. This mad and nasty eu experiment will end in tears - mark my words!
Words almost fail me. Where are our politicians when we need them? Utterly useless, every one of them.
One day the British public will wake up instead of being more interested in Coronation Street/Eastenders.They vote for the three main parties and then moan. This new lot in power are no different from the last lot.We're giving billions in foreign aid and allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants in.Those people coming in are very poor and yet the public wonder why 1 in 5 children are living here in poverty.Our hospitals are clogged up, roads jammed, housing shortage, Still WHO CARES, the country has already gone down the plug hole.The country is full up and we're broke.We need to urgently get out of the EU.
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism' LIKE THEY STOP THAT NOW???!!!
Britain isn`t powerless to stop the move! All we have to do is leave the EU, tell them to get stuffed, reclaim our sovereignty & make claiming benefits dependant on having had gainfull employment in the UK for at least 20 years. I commend the idea to the house.
We need democracy in the UK.
How can these handouts be more than the amount a pensioner is expected to live on?! Hell will freeze over before "Call-Me-Dave" grows a backbone and defies an EU ruling!
Our benefits system and lack of oomph when treated badly means we are Father Christmas to EU member states. The other countries must be so relieved that we are so stupid, and will never do anything to alleviate the problem for us. So - please can we vote. I don't care what alleged benefits the EU gives us - we must be losing more than we gain. Out now. Bring back pounds and ounces, bent bananas and scrap cushy human rights for murderers and paedophiles.
You get outraged at this yet fail to be outraged at the money flying straight out of this country to Eastern Europen states in tax credits and child benefit. I mean this is happening right now. Lets be honest we don't even know if the kids exist.
I am truely depressed now how did we ever end up in this dire mess! GET OUT OF THE EUSSR NOW!
Right Cameron, you've spent a week talking tough to a failing dictator. Now's the time to put up or shut up to another failing dictatorship, the EU, show us you're not just another soundbite politician by telling the EU to go to hell. You may actually regain some of the respect that you lost when you compromised your principals for the whiff of power. If you don't have the power to ignore this EU edict then you and your government are of absolutely no use to the British people and Wasteminster will be exposed for the sham that most of us suspect it is. If the EU is in controll then all 650 of the self serving trough dwellers may as well be sent back to the sewers from whence they came.
DonÂ’t know why people are bothering over this, just because we are sitting with record un-employment, our health services are collapsing, education is going downhill rapidly, no council rented accommodation is available, and the country is heading for a horrendous recession when un-employment will rise to unimaginable heard of levels, but our Prime Minister is obliviously not too concerned, so let them all come and claim benefits, as IÂ’m sure our politicians know best. God help us can you imagine our country in a few years. One consolation however is that the country will be bankrupt by then and in so much of a mess no one will want to immigrate here or have I got it wrong?
this is got to be a joke .these people will take us for every penny they can get.its got to stop vote for e BNP government
A man who came over to England as an immigrant then had his "third" child here and claims all benefits under the son told someone in my family that he did not work because he "wanted" to spend time with his children!!!!!!!!! Laughable - my husband and I who are breaking even with our finances would like to spend more time with our children. Someone save us from this INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great!!. It is obvious to anyone with foresight that the Social Security system is heading for meltdown. The increased number of Benefit immigrants who will be attracted by this, the substantial number of our own legitimate citizens who choose not to work and the blatant unchecked fraud that is going on will ensure that honest workers will have to give up more of their hard earned cash to keep it afloat. Bring them all on it will ensure that we will have to adopt a system whereby you will only get paid if you work or have worked. Can't wait for it, as reading about all the disgraceful behaviour of the abusers and our witless politicians is doing nothing for my blood pressure or hard earned wealth.
squatters, spongers...i predict a riot
This country is doomed. RIP UK.
My pension after twenty years of paying tax and insurance is £45 00 per week!( I lived abroad the other twenty years) What a disgrace this country is .I advise my children to leave ASAP
so immigrnts can only work hard and pay taxes but they will not be entitled to benefits.....who will get this taxes then lazy brits......this country is getting crazy
The idea is that they come here to work. No work, no stay! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
i predict a riot
"But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. You just know that statement is lie.
The British Government, Ruthless with the British taxpayer, spineless with the EU.
Just received my Northumbrian Water bill for the coming year........An increase of 9%, fortunately I can afford the extra but how many other people can't and how many of these people will be getting no pay rise this year, still as long as we can continue to provide overseas aid and more money for immigrants and asylum seekers thats all that matters isn't it.
Pentioners who fought for this Country get less than 100 pounds a week but east eurpeans who never put in days work can claim upto 250 pounds a week,I am lost, This is like pushing the self destruction button,
I never wanted to, but finally I know we have to leave the EU and regain our sovereignty. I feel like I am being robbed.
Just another kick in the teeth for the UK from the Brussels Gauleiters,Britons have to pay taxes all their working lives to to 'qualify' for their right to these benefits and have to watch thousands of foreign freeloaders get such 'rights' without contributing in any way thanks to gutless politicians who while accepting these dictats flatly refuse to grant British expats in Canada,(through the same EU courts) their right to a full state pension and no linked benefits whatsoever
RIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen? Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 Hi Anne, it's because not everyone believes all they read in the Daily Mail.
In a recent poll, 48% claimed they would vote for non-violent right wing parties. Maybe now that has gone up somewhat ??
I am so glad I no longer live in the UK, when is the country going to stand up for itself and stop the EU imposing ridiculous legistlation on them.
Look you stupid people we are the NWO . Do as your told. BAA BAA
Get some backbone Cameroon or the people will show how,its not just the middle east that is fed up
Now is the time to get out of the EU and send these migrants back home or to Germany & Austria if they really want them. Enough of this namby pamby left wing tosh, it is time for middle England to fight to make this country a proud nation once more.
Being in the EU is obviously a liability now, there cannot be any profitable reason (apart from benefiting the fat cat rich) why we should remain in this power hungry 4th reich.
I wonder what would happen if we all decided to leave the UK (all the people who have always worked rather) where would the money come from then to support these people? It must be reaching a stage whereby there are more people in receipt of benefits than there are people working. Have we not reached saturation point yet? I always thought policitians were intelligent people???? When are we going to have someone with some backbone and the desire to fight for this country?
Come on Cameron, tell us what you CAN do not what you can't. The country wants out, either the EU go or you will.
I get more despondent every day. If I didn't have family over here that needed me I would leave this god forsaken country. The only thing our politicians really care about is lining their own pockets before they get voted out. We, the UK citizens should strike over many things our so called government inflict upon us, high fuel duties, increased VAT, raising the retirement age, giving our taxes away in benefits however, but we are far too British to do so. Its totally unbeleivable how we let ourselves get here, we should have risen against the government a long time ago.
The HRT does not prevent migrants from claiming British State benefits. It is not difficult to qualify through the HRT interview. I can also confirm that English people are usually denied access to JSA benefits for one reason of another despite having paid the National Insurance.
BRITAIN IS POWERLESS, AND WORSE STILL SPINELESS ! ! ! HOW LONG BEFORE WE ARE PAID IN EUROES ? ? ?
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Interesting comment re other eu countries where you need to work 5 yrs for benefits However pushover UK only one week . Can we go and free load in Sweden now ?? STRAW was responsible BUT NOW CONDEM ALL TALK NO ACTION CLUELESS \HOPELESS \GUTLESS A complete JOKE as nothing will happen as with all their hot air
Can we not tell brussels to get stuffed for that is what is happening to this country well and truly , David Cameron nor those bloody politicians who kow down to the eu don't even listen to the people of this country let alone read comments in the papers and not just the DM , I am heartily sick and tired of having my taxes used for scroungers , idle workshy men and women paying benefits to children that have children , and the pigs in the trough mp's here and in Brussels, and what a pity we are so tolerant towards this parliment and it's unfair laws perhaps a taste of egypt ,is needed here and I shall be voting BNP at the next election for sure. For gods sake Cameron wake up and smell the manure that Brussels is sending us into. and get some backbone We would manage our own country without the EU we have in the past and would do so again..
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back! - Sam, London, UK, 3/3/2011 11:31=========================We know how easy it is to get benefits if you're an immigrant but if you're born and bred here you have very little chance indeed. When we read and hear continually about this but are unable to do anything about it, how do you think that makes us feel?
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 12:23 Correct... It's called IKA and it's the Devil's own job to prize anything out of the Greek system; they got it right, the UK shoudl do the same.
It's time to support the BNP and get out of this union which is totally destroying us.
I think its about time voting was made compulsory with a none of the above space to put your cross in then we just might get a government that listens to the electorate and does something we all want .look its own people.
The whole benefits situation has been rudely bought home to me in the last week. My husband and I have worked all our adult lifes and are now retired trying to eke out an existence on the meagre state pension. Our youngest daughter has worked since before she left school, went to university, married and had a child last year. She has had to return to work as she could not survive on her husbands wage alone. Now heres the rub, our elder daughter hasn't worked in over 9 years, has 2 children by different fathers, never married either of them and has just split from the latest one. She has managed to get a house costing £900 a month to rent that she will only have to pay £100 for, Tax Credits totalling almost £190 per week, (how, when she doesn't pay tax?), and income support for herself. This does not include her Child Benefits of course. This is equivalant to her earning £20,000+( which is incidentally the amount that her hard working sister earns). It's a kick in the teeth isn't it
it is time to come out of EC now sooner than later ..... England should also charge road tax for foriegn vehicles on a daily rate this would stop the scam of insuring vehicles abroad and paying no road tax here whatsoever as then it would be cheaper for them to tax and insure in england if they live and work here ......a friend had to pay £815 road tax for 2 and a half days road use for his truck in Switzerland as they charge by the kilometer..Just think how many foreign trucks/cars use our roads for free. France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Germany, Austria and Swiss to name a few all charge for using their highways even Poland charges by the day to use their roads. Now please someone tell me where is the BRITISH sense of fair play its time to charge them for the use and upkeep of the highways system as they charge us to use their highways. All British Road Tax Payers are subsidising foriegn hauliers at the expense of our own hauliers.
It's time we adopt a benefits program to what the US does between states. if you move to another state you are only entitled to the amount of benefits that you home state pays. So say you move from Utah to California you are only entitled to $82/week instead of $200/week. This would result in Spanairds receiving only the same number of pounds per week as they would have received if they had remained in spain and for the same limitation of the length. In Spain they only recieve Jobseeker for 6 months.
And what? I am Hungarian and have lived in the UK - working 'over' full time continiously and never claimed a penny. Although I see many British people being lazy and not wanting to work hard. You people are so comfortable, that you get to choose what sort of job you want to accept, if that doesn't come up - because YOU chose to learn a trade that is not a necessity in society, you prefer sitting at home and just live on benefits, draining your own country! In Hungary (and most Eastern European countries) you would be living on the streets with this behaviour!!!! PS: What did the British Empire do for hundreds of years? They were draining other countries... Which is true.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country
My small rural town in Dorset is about to lose its library which is very well used, particularly by the elderly, many of who do not have cars and who have paid their Council Tax etc for years. The loss of our library will be devastating and the news that Eastern Europeans can come here, work a few weeks then claim benefits at a cost of miullions is salt in the wound of every rural town and village losing its library. It's morally wrong - like much of the EU and in future I'll vote for ANY party, no matter how right wing, that promises to get us out of the EU and if enough people do the same, perhaps the main parties will take action.
What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration? How dare these countries not fulfill their obligations while trying to tell us what we must do. Time for the referendum and to leave this disgraceful, unmanaged debacle of a so called union!
Get us out of the EU now
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31========================You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). . .
I voted UKIP.
DM has already covered stories of new to comers to the UK being given housing and allowed to claum job seekers allowance, without ever working, the whole thing is out of control.
We have two choices. Get out of the EU or tell them to stick their silly immigration rules where the sun don't shine. They will huff and puff but I think we will find that the majority in France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark et al will agree with us
Isn't it bad enough paying out for British scroungers, without now handing OUR HARD EARNED MONEY (couldn't help but shout then) out to foreigners. Something tells me Britain is going to disappear and hard earning Brits are going to end up emigrating themselves. Actually, lets do that then WHERE will these scroungers their free money from, if no one is here to supplement them?
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this.
Please can we come out of the EU before they all bleed us dry?
The Welfare Reform will clear the decks of UK claimants so that we can let the incomers claim. Why the hell are we still allowing the EU to tell us what we can and cannot do? No wonder they all want to come to the UK. Our Benefits policy will soon be......UK applicants need not apply, Immegrant applications welcome!!
Why are we so embarrassingly weak and useless over this? GET US OUT OUT OUT OF THE EU NOW CAMERON. There is no other choice. GET US OUT!! Unelected people in Brussels, unelected people in Downing St and we, the poor muggins British population, stuck in the middle. The Tory party is responsible for our being in Europe in the first place. Come on spineless Dave, get us out. Now we know how he finds it so easy to do soooo many U TURNS, he has no spine whatsoever. You promised us an EU referendum...when may we expect that please? Your stay in Downing St will be short, but NOT sweet, so try to make it memorable by doing JUST ONE USEFUL thing Cameron. You are a disgrace.
I do tire of this but I will say it once more.....this pontificating is pointless. We are ruled by the EU and our UK Government is rendered impotent as a result. Get used to it as all is lost.
Does this work both ways. So am I to assume, that if I want to move to Europe to try & find work - and then find myself unemployed I will be entitled to all these benefits as well?? I doubt it.
is it really possible that this spineless government (and the one before) do not realise what harm the EU is causing us? on top of the £11000 a minute we give to that corrupt institution we now have to give benefits to these people who flee their own corrupt countries
We're full and were broke and the EU morons want to load us with more immigrants. The EU has almost destroyed the UK.
Don't our moronic MPs think a Trillion in debt is enough. Maybe we should get rid of the Police and RAF entirely so we can give the money to foreign criminals, I mean spongers.
Looks like the majority on here want to leave the EU, well you better get on a plane and go because it will never happen, even the people you put in power have no inclination to leave. They tell you one thing and do another, the next step I hope is that we join the euro, that is the future. Dinosaurs are extinct because the could not keep up.
What on earth does it mean ' It leaves Britain Powerless to Refuse'? Just refuse access unless they can prove they have a UK sponser and a job that can't be filled by a UK citizen. How many more times are Europe going to kick the UK in the face, just for us to role over to get our belly tickled? It's obvious that Clueless Cameron and Clawless Cleg can't or won't lead us out of the EU, so just play the same game as Germany and France and only enforce the laws we want, and to hell with the rest.
GET OUT OF THE EU BEFORE IT DESTROYS THE UK. Any MP who is not inflamed by this should resign. The Royal Family should stop it. happening for heavens sake in stead of standing back and doing nothing. Our Fathers and past members of families of WW1 and WW2 didnt give up their lives defending their homeland for this to happen.
Listen to DCs interview on youtube and you will get the answer for it. He reaffirmed that his government has no plans to leave the EU, end of story I guess. He never once mentioned about immigration from EU while he was campaigning last year nor does he mention that even now. Nothing much can be expected.
I can't understand this.I went to Hungary to work,unlike in Britain where if you can't speak the language perfectly you have no chance of a job even if like me you have a skill that is sadly lacking in the country.I couldn't find anyone to employ me even stacking shelves in supermarkets so i enquired about benefits.No chance,zilch,zero,you have to be working full time & paying tax for two yrs to claim anything.So why is the same EU laws not applicable in Britain for migrant workers?I returned to the UK,signed on & tried to claim rent payment too,by the time i recieved benefit(6 wks) i was homeless & severely in debt.Maybe i should have pretended to not speak the lingo,claim to have several children,with no proof of their existence,& undoubtedly the benefits office would have pulled out all the stops to provide me with everything i could need.
Oh the joy of being in the EU, but what do they do for us?
Mike King Thailand. When it kicks off, or Catch something, youll be back to mummy.
UK in debt to the tune of £4 trillion (£4,000bn), according to data released in 2010 by the Office for National Satistics - £65,000 for each of us. National Debt INTEREST PAYMENTS alone will climb to £73.8bn by 2014/15, Institute for Fiscal Studies calculations. CUTS…More than 50,000 jobs are disappearing from the NHS, according to freedom of information responses, due to cuts by local health trusts struggling to save £20bn from their budgets. CUTS…fund for 21,000 people with severe disabilities cut by 2015. CUTS…The £359m Independent Living Fund (for carers so disabled can live at home and not in a care home) CUT CUTS… almost one million jobs lost in the UK because of government cuts in public spending… CUTS ...university tuition fees treble and now THIS?! SOMEONE PLEASE ORGANISE A PROTEST TO LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WE WANT OUT OF THE EU NOW... I'll be there, GREEN ARRW IF U WISH 2 B THERE
It is an outright untruth for Green to say they are "bringing immigration down to tens of thousands". They are bringing NET immigration for SOME non-EU routes down to that figure. GROSS immigration from all EU and non-EU routes will still be of the order of 500,000 a year. Half a million. DM - don't let him get away with that untruth.
Good grief its getting worse day by day. it all must be stopped .we canot afford it any more .the government is spineless and pathetic .for not standing up for this country.and its own people
It's total nonsense that checks are adequate. HMRC are busy cutting like crazy the people who check on tax credit fraud (I have a close friend who recently had her job disappear). Here's the deal: East Europeans come over, they register one child at school and on tax credit system. Single dad brings kid from Poland, no alarm bells? Maybe the mother comes too (briefly). Registers the kid at school, gets paperwork. (The kids don't actually have to attend - only 1 in 100 is checked, because of staff shortages). Once ONE kid is on the system, others can be added without checks. So single dad gets five kids worth of tax credits while mum & the kids live it up at home. You couldn't make it up. Having said that the figures show that the largest immigration issue is still with immigrants from Africa and South Asia where there's a post-colonial culture of 'entitlement' to handouts. (When was the last time you heard of an unemployed Chinese person? You just don't!). Ridiculous.
Time this government showed us what it is made of. No more tough talking, we want to see what you can do, get us out of the EU or tell the EU where to get off. This by even the slightest applicartion of common sense is plainly wrong.
We are a island and there are only so many tax payers,We can't sustain more people taking out than putting into the pot.If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force
Oh lovely - I can see where all this is leading and it isn't somewhere over the rainbow!
David Cameron please give us a Referendum. The majority of the British want out of the EU! I am sick of reading about EU regulations and directives - WE CAN MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS THANK YOU!!!!!
- Karen, Stoke England, 03/3/2011 11:17 Karen I am in the same boat as you paid off due to lack of business last year,I signed on with an agency, I have worked only odd days, I have tried to claim benefits, but was told I didn't have enough stamps for per
No, No, No
So, hang on a bit. They can come in, prove they want stay here and get benefits? Yet I have paid into the system since 1968, took a five year break to go abroad, came back and was refused jobseekers allowance because I had not paid into the system for the previous two years. Where is the fairness in that???
Anyone else find it ironic that the very purpose of the EU (originally in concept) was to keep peace and prevent another world war - and now because of their insane and out-of-touch rulings - are driving more and more moderate people to favour the idealogies and vote for the far-right parties? With all this resentment building up - I hope history doesn't repeat itself...
Let us all take to the streets and protest like they do in other countries . Why are we always afraid to say anything over here?
Look the only thing is to have a GENERAL STRIKE. Then we can get out. They wont do anything otherwise. Its up to us We can make the change.Us the people
Its nice to know that the money I am loosing by getting my pension 18 months later will go to such a good cause.
This leaves Britain with only 2 options-exit the EU-lets vote! or reduce benefit entitlement and amounts to a point which is in keeping with other EU countries so that the UK is no longer attractive to scroungers of whatever nationality-Benefits should only be for the sick, elderly and disabled, and a time limited stopgap for those temporarily out of work-Why should taxpayers fork out for the idle and for those who want to hold their hands out to take but who have no intention of considering themselves first and foremose British citizens?
Powerless to stop it ? Grow up and get us out of of the European Union. That will stop it.
Come on Mr Cameron get us out of the EU now....
The government has been trying to cut benefits to certain groups of people (disability, child benefit, EMA etc etc) and now they will have to pay out to yet another group. Common sense says get us out of the EU. But no one in power actually HAS any common sense.
We need to leave the EU now! Before it sucks us under.....
Don't blame the ConDems (or Labour) - blame yourselves if you put your cross against one of those parties or failed to vote at all! Each and every one of you is a TRAITOR to this Country and its people! My conscience is clear - I voted UKIP!
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was brought up well.... TO NEVER VOTE TORY!!! Why do we bother! we have a spineless weasle as a PM, and all of his predecessors also... this country is an absolute MESS! Great Britain?? Pull the other one!!!!!
In the past when I've been between jobs I've haven't claimed with help towards my mortgage interest or council tax benefit because I couldn't afford to be unemployed for any length of time and took jobs with lower salary and prospects purely because I need to work to pay my bills. Reading this and knowing that other EU countries make people pay into the system before the can receive handouts from it disgusts me. I feel like signing the deeds of my home to the government, resigning from work to obtain income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, etc, etc., to improve income and living standards to match the home grown and migrant ponses! If we can't beat them let's sink to thier level and join them!
We have no choice but to get out of the EU. Will freebies galore they'll flood here.
Typical Daily Mail rubbish and totally false. Not one of these (up to) 100,000 Eastern Europeans will get a penny of UK state benefits. The DWP has something called the Habitual Residency Test, which everyone has to comply with before they are paid anything. None of these people who are going to "swamp" the country would be entitled to any state handouts whatsoever. This garbage is a complete and utter non-story. But then, when did the Daily Mail and it's small minded readers let reality stand in the way of a good anti-johnny foreigner, anti EU, pro UKIP rant. Get a life you sad people.
Who signed up to this then behind closed doors, Gordon Brown by any chance? Whoever it was should be ashamed of themselves and what they have done to this country. I'm suprised any of us can be bothered to work anymore, what other country is as stupid as this one?
and my GP recently told me that if i am out of the UK for more than 6 months in a year, i become a 'temporary resident' when i AM in the UK,- despite still paying full tax and NI from 1985 til now-and that apparently means that i won't get anything but emergency medical teatment without paying for it. Thats good to know isn't it? How long will these lot need to've paid in for, to qualify for i won't get from now on as i am moving to Greece ? I asked my Greek partner what health freebies i can look forward to over here. He's only just stopped chuckling. although i must say it gets a bit better as and when we get married. Where is the 'quid pro quo' in all of this? i m not someone who'd come skulking back to the Uk just for medical treatment, but it sure does seem that priorities are skewed when a non-contributing foreigner gets treatment that i am now gonna have to pay for,after years of paying my way and visiting the doctor, as i recall , only 4 times? Its barmy.
Because we give freebies to anyone, our debt will just get larger and our currency even weaker. And as a result inflation will go higher for UK citizens..
So we do not follow the EU rules on votes for prisoners or the police holding DNA forever but we follow this? I suppose it gives a different group to blame for the state of the country apart from the ill,disabled or unemployed but must never blame the bankers oh no they did nothing wrong or the Labour overspend.
We need to get out of the EU NOW & revert back to making our own decisions. We can longer afford to be dictated by Europe.
You get exactly what you voted for, sorry but the UK is the most stupid nation on earth and a magnet for the worlds workshy,
BNP BNP BNP
If thats the case then ,How come British Pensions living outside the eu,have not had there Pension increased, Many with a pension of only £20 per week even though they have paid there NI stamps in full before they left to live with there family abroad.Seem that we treat others better than our own
The EU are a law unto themselves, they make me so ANGRY. They make up these rules with no consideration for the countries they affect. Our goverment has no back bone and we get lumbered with paying out for people we don't even want in our country. That may sound cruel but for me its true, we have enough in the country already and this scheme will just keep them coming. We are a country who gives everyone but the hardworking a free ride. It's time it stopped, it's time somebody said NO MORE!
One piece missing from your report. How do we claim back the money from the foreigners original members states? The entitlement should only be equal to that which the individual would be alowed to claim in their own country.
Well this government and the last are determined to eradicate any vestige of Britishness and culture i this country. Why the Hell am i at 73 Still paying income tax to fund these migrants and benefit scroungers. I haven't got enough money and I m also too old to emigrate or by God I would. I am sick of the politicians selling my country down the river
Brett McBain, Crete and Norway (ex-pat), -- Brett, nor can they. The DM is only trying to pump you up (which is why this may never get into print...)
Lybour signed up to all this, They didn't give a referendum on the issue! they signed away the rights of british people, there money, there laws, there freedom. Don't ever vote this sham of a party in again! total disaster and the party that ruined Britain!
Should we not have a (taxpayers) referendum on whether or not we should support any immigrants on benefits ? I hope the Tories will soon repair this damage. They will get an overall majority at the next election if they do.
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples!
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back!
If there are very many thousands of potential illegals waiting in France to get to this country to live a life of luxury on benefits easily obtained here then how much easier will it be for these coming here "legally". Still if you keep on voting for Curly, Larry or Mo, then nothing will change.
What was it Cameron said during the run up to the election? Something like "If I don't come up to scratch then you can vote me out"? Looks like he's going to get his wish doesn't it. If he doesn't start saying NO to Brussels then this country will fight back against all the proposed cuts and this country will no longer exist. I truly wonder what our brave men and women fought and died for so long ago. This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough.
OH, you mean people from other EU countries? why did you not say so...........doesn't sell so many trashy newspapers?
Why is it that such people can enter the UK and get such enormous handouts and pensioners who have worked hard and contributed so much to the country - in one generation's case fighting and offering their lives for their country - get just a fraction as a pension? Where's the logic - why can this happen? What is the justification for it? Why doesn't anyone ever raise this issue?
I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whats the point in working hard in this country????? Which way to the dole queue?
What is going on? W must be the laughing stock of all.
''Changes: Damian Green said Germany and Austria will open their labour markets to Eastern Europe'' And the band played believe it if you like!
It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer. you can fly from Poland for less than £50...so what good geography when the benefits outweigh the cost literally
More lunacy forced on us by the parasites in europe. "But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop "benefit tourism"." yeah I'll bet they will. Meanwhile us that have contributed for years continue to live on a punitive pension AND get taxed on our small private pensions with no hope of claiming any of the benefits mentioned in the article. Makes you want to emigrate perhaps to one of the old eastern bloc countries!
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
Will, London, 03/3/2011 11:03... Don't blame it all on the Labour party who is the biggest supporter of Turkey joining the EU our own Mr Cameron.
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all. - Mary, London, 03/3/2011 10:56 And no doubt some do gooders will argue that you're better off than some of these economic migrants. And as for our gutless government sticking up for you instead of those migrants, well just forget it. They are just in thrall to the Hampstead socialists and as they are usually millionaires anyway, they just don't understand how you must be suffering. The UK is a great place to sponge off the state!
This just cannot be allowed to happen. We are the ONLY country in Europe who act so generously to "incomeres". When I lived in Spain I worked for everything and there are NO HANDOUTS for anyone, especially immigrants or residents of the EU choosing to live there. This country is no longer a leader in good ideas!
Pure Marxism, Communism, Leninism, Blair/Brownism. The worker you tax to death, to the layabout you give them everything they need or want.
As my wife pointed out last night, you should not be able to claim child benefit if your child was born outside the UK. Also, you shouldn't get working tax credit or any other benefit from our Government until you have paid INTO the system for a certain amount of time. We may as well all go and sit at the Arrivals areas at the airports and just hand over our money.......
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
how can this be right when my daughter who has 2 jobs just to keep a rented roof over her head and as for buying her own property - well that will never be, she has never claimed a penny benefits in her life. Yet people who have never paid into the system 'take' money from the tax she pays (ie proceeds from my daughter's hard earned wages to pay beneifts!) - yes she is grateful to have work in this climate but she works hard and that is why her employers keep her on.
The BNP are not a political party, they are a bunch of of thugs with neo-nazi ideals. The government just need to get a big set of balls. And also learn to say NO
forget the BNP or the EDL have a look at the (The English Democrats party) they are looking very good at the moment
so go to Russia and claim some benefits
Can we all claim benefits if we go to their countries too ?
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers - wontgetfooledtilnxtime, tyneside uk, 3/3/2011 10:45.......................................Exactly, which is why the Tories of New Labour had no intention of doing anything about it, and why this ragbag coalition of Tories will let it continue despite Pinocchio's rhetoric. No matter which party of Tories is in power tax evasion by the rich will not only continue but be activly encouraged by tax laws ful of holes. Rich ruling for the rich.
bombard your MP in anyway you see fit , WE WANT A REFERENDUM NOW ,GET US OUT OF THE EU.
well the migrants will simply go where ever the biggest benefits can be had and we know where that is THE UK the easy option is to cut benefits NOW b4 they all arrive plus their will be a positive knock on effect that will reduce benefits for those already living it up at the taxpayers expense
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
When will this insanity end? What if half of Eastern Europe come here, which would be in the millions, would we have to give all of them more money than some British born people earn!? Where is this money coming from? Oh yes, of course, the defence budget has just been slashed. That should do it.
why is anyone taking notice of that treaty...none of us got to vote for! that dictates to us what we must,nt and must do! even the EU dose,nt take any notice of it and does as it please,s and has broken that treaty time and time again. that in its self makes the so called treaty NULL AND VOID (No longer valid or enforceable) the same as any contact thats broken and our own law,s make it illegal for a goverment in power to had any power of our country to foreign power,s.......which was NEVER amended in law to make the signing of the treaty possible!! the EU allowed by the our goverment are slowly destroying our country and our way of life for there own gain,s other wise they would be telling the EU to shuv it !!
Its time to get out off the EU, are corrupt thieving government , are giving are money away to foriegners, while we suffer. The army should return from afganistan,and arrest the government,on behalf off the british people. And put them on a charge of treason
It makes me so angry, my Daughter a victim of domestic violence awaiting to go to court to testify against her no mark of an X, cannot get a council property to be near us her parents for her own safety and sanity, i have told her to change her name by deed poll, that would speed it up for her.
The country will go bust and the Europhiles will say how did this happen? We are ruled by idiots and the electorate are idiots for allowing idiots to rule us so the mad house is now GB Ltd. I despise politicians of all political parties because they have a different genetic make up to normal people and are some kind of alien species sent to destroy us. I fully support right wing dictatorships at least you get what you see not what your promised.
The only answer is to get out of the EU. I travelled all over Europe before any of this nonsense, received my stamp on arrival, which entitled me to a three- month stay. If you wanted to settle all you had to do was prove you could look after yourself by showing a bank statement or equivalent until you found a job. The government cannot keep reducing pensions, local services etc. and then be seen to give benefits to those who have never paid in. These migrants should claim from their own country and if they can find a job in the UK then fine but otherwise no money should be given from the UK tax payer.
Worked and payed into this club from being 15 now retired living on a lot less then these people are going to be allowed wheres my human rights oh yeah i dont have any i just paid in silly me
So when is the EU going to make the Government pay a decent European State Pension? £250 per week sounds a good place to start.
In a time of savage cuts this move is just plain evil. The Government is in the process of imposing savage cuts which impinge on every family in the country, then it proposes to give the savings away to foreign nationals who have never contributed anything to our economy. This is lunatic economics, and Cameron and co should resist this European directive on a point of principle, even to the point of pulling out of the EU. However I don't think they have the guts to stand up to their European bosses, and Nick Clegg would rather see Britain go to the dogs than dare to question His Masters Voice from Brussels.
Twenty two years of working with only a maximum of three weeks unemployment. Even then I signed on as unemployed but I didn't receive benefits as I signed on to a temping agency and declared all my earnings. I have an average take home pay of £260 (after tax) - of which I have to pay all my bills, full council tax and prescriptions. I'm currently thinking of applying for migrant status in my own country.
Cameron is a gutless coward, spineless toad, I remember him saying that he would allow his people, the British people, the tax payers the right to vote on the EU. What a yellow belly Liar! The man is a fraud, total scum bag and as far as I am concerned I hope something very bad befalls him soon. We all know why they do not give us the vote, its because we the people would vote NO...So what does that tell you.Its tells me we so no to war, they go to war, we say no to the EU we are in the EU. these self important people think they know better. They don't! they are fools, paid fools! Spineless, cowards.
So to all you British sick people about to be hammered by the ATOS Gestapo , look on the bright side , the money the govornment saves will be going to someone from the other side of Europe who fancies " Chanceing it " In Brittain !
i'm sick to bloody death of things like this the u.k. is fit to burst.......no more foreigners sponging off the hard working
I have come to the conclusion that Britain is drowning in its own idiocy.
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days!
How... in the name of all that is sacred... can it be that I cannot claim anything at all although I have a UK passort and was born here in 1965 but have been out of the country for a few years. I could not even claim JSA despite 18 years paying INTO they system.
Stop griping and start voting UKIP, then you'll not have to. Is it so hard?
Utter madness. We are always being shown "State TV" of Libya and Egypt to apparently have us believe that it is just showing what the state wants it to show re government policies, can someone please tell me how our TV Stations are any different. They are just the same. So in effect we are being treated the same as people in countries that Cameron wants to change, I think it's time he started working for his own people instead of bothering about everyone else. Plus if the rest of the EU doesn't have to comply with this stupid fraudulent use of their money, why do we. There has to be a reason why they all want to come here instead of staying in France or wherever they pitch up first. I'm begining to think that the Gaddafis have more sense than our own MPs.
You would not dare print what I think of Cameron and his bunch of spivs
go to ukip web site and sign petition
Steve, Durham, 3/3/2011 9:56 - could not agree more mate. I worked for 32 years without break paid a small fortune in tax and NI and after losing my job get nothing. Not a sausage because my wife works. In my last job I paid more than £600 per week to government and get zilch in return. Can I go to another country and get some funds without working?
Just one more of the many reasons why everyone in the UK should vote for the UK Independence Party (UKIP). Unless we have a moderate political party with the guts to take us out of the UK in Government, such as UKIP, then this country is doomed as it will be wrecked by the EU with the full consent of the pro-EU Lib Dem, Tory and Labour pacts.
How about Cameron & Co. funding the REAL UK citizens to leave this shambolic country. £250 per week, our own pensioners don't get that much and they paid for it all their lives and some who's relatives with their lives.
Does this mean that if we the English move to Lithuania they also must give us 250 a week?
for godness sake pay them to stay at home please
My average weekly food bill here is 42 pounds This includes fresh (still flapping) fish and seafood. My gas electric rubbish and security comes to about 20 pounds per month.. There are no parking fees or cameras or council tax... Gasoline is 40p per litre and the temperature holds at 85F throughout the year... Why does everyone want to be there...Ha ha ha
Are we getting the full story here? This is just unbelievable ... the third or fourth story this week that has involved EU intervention over what the British people want. It's all a bit too late now, as politicians of both parties have been secretly signing over our rights to Europe for the past 20 years or so.
I find it so interesting how the media is obsessed with Eastern Europeans whom legally come over and take advantage of 'our' system - I live in Mitcham, South London and I'd like to know why all these tens of thousands of Africans we have living in Mitcham are here - How many sub-Saharan Africa countries are in the EU? If we can't deal with these people from outside of the EU claiming our benefits, what chance have we with Europeans living in the EU?!
My god what have we been doing lately, I scrimp and save go to work getting up at 5:45 every morning dirve 120 mile daily at a co2t to me of £500 a month, so that I can pay my taxes to support immigrants to live on more than I have left after travel expenses, and I have to pay full poll tax because I managed to save a little.......THIS IS TOTALLY NOT ON!!!! The EU wants kicking up the backside why is Britain continually penalised?????? Is this DISCRIMINATION on Britain,
Germany and austria will open it,s doors to A8 countries maybe so but germany and austria don,t have a benefits system like the U.K.s nor does france,spain or greece to name just a few of EUSSR countries one has to pay in to there systems for at least 2yrs to recieve any sort of benefit.Unlike the U.K. were its money for nothing and digs come free. Mr green says the U.K. system will be protected well those words don,t inspire confidence they can,t stop migrants from outside the EUSSR claiming benefits so what chance has this coalition got of protecting the system from migrants from member states. One things for sure this government will bend over backwards to comply with EUSSR laws they have not got the backbone to stand up and tell them to take a running jump.anybody from anywere can claim benefits in this country except the people who are born in the U.K. they have to fight to get a penny out of the government.
By the time..... the EU has finished with us.... we are all going to be on our knees in rags. This utter - total MADNESS - has to end. EU - REFERENDUM... before it's too late...... which it probably - already - is !!
sick of going to work and getting taxed for the foreigners to end up getting my money, would we get money in their home country no, so why do they get it here Britain as no jobs it cost millions to keep our own, all i can say is get us out of the EU send everyone back to there home land then britain will rise again.
During my stay in France Iam entitled to' ZILCH'. If you cannot speak the language you are unable to get a job, no job you cannot draw benifits, no benifits no foriegn scroungers. Its simple. If the French and other EU countries can enforce its Law why is Britain ALWAYS saddled with this CR-P? Or is it because bliar and his socialist dross signed away our independance? A Bigot. Fareham
When I first arrived in France, as a fluent French speaker and highly qualified, I thought that it would be a relatively simple task to find a job, even a low paid one. But here you have to have a certificate to say that you can operate a till! If you hadn't worked here previously, and contributed to their system you were entitled to zilch. That's how it should be in the UK. If you've never contributed you should get absolutely nothing until you have. When I was made redundant in the UK, I received a massive £53 a week. How come they'd be entitled to £250?
This is why they are knocking people of incapacity benefit to make way for this lot.
"But the department insisted that protecting the benefit system from abuse was its 'number one priority'. A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits" The only way you can't claim benefits in the UK is to have worked here and paid taxes all your life. The government don't care about the UK people, just about pleasing the foreign immigrants.
Shamoron, you are a disgrace. STOP being the doyen of the U turns and do what you PROMISED. You PROMISED an EU referendum. Although,there's really no point now in having that. It would just be another waste of tax payers money. You KNOW how we all feel about the much loathed EU. 99.99% of British people want us OUT. The Tories took us into Europe so it's up to the Tories to get us out. Come on Dave, your tenure at #10 will be very short lived so try to do SOMETHING useful while you're there. GET US OUT!!! Failing that, Mr Useless, YOU GET OUT. We have no leadership in this country and we are just adrift. SOS....help !!
Politicians are destroying our country and acting against the interests of the people, isn't that treason? We need action, as in the Arab countries, to get rid of the treacherous dictators ruling us.
More bloody scare stories from this paper:pack it in.
You pool fools, you have lost it totally; Every one will now to go England,, free housing, free money and no need to work; The streets of England are truly paved with GOLD, except if you are one of those who are still foolish enough to be in work, then you will have to pay for this . There will be exceptions of course, all those in the Public sector will get pay rises to cover the cost, but those of you that earn the money for your nation, well what is the phrase " Up yours "
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges) - Arty, UK, 3/3/2011 10:36::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Sorry As An Aussie I hate to inform you it's just as bad over there. Food and Services are heaps more expensive in OZ. Power costs have just gone up 50% in Perth and groceries are at least 3 times more expensive. Take it from one who knows.
I actually feel sick to the stomach. This is going to encourage thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions, more to migrate here. Why should I pay my taxes to support these people? Who in their right mind thinks we need these people (oh, I forgot, the Labour party)?
The question is:- "'They will have to prove they have a right to reside here and will then be asked to prove their attachment to the UK; they will have to show an intention to settle here and their reasons for coming to the UK." The answer is:- "We intend to settle here so that we can claim free housing and all the benefits that come with it so that we don't have to work anymore".
Ever feel you're part of a game where you don't know what the real objective is?
Pull the UK out of the EU??????????You would really be down the tubes very rapidly.All your farming would immediately go bankrupt with no subsidies or export markets,swiftly followed by the little remaining industry you haven't flogged off to us or India.Plus,what would DM have to whinge about then?
I want out of this country.
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
The Department of Works and Pensions spokesman says are number one priority is to protect the benefits system from abuse, he should say to protect themselves from be accused of malpractice. After working 40 years I suffered an accident which left me disabled 18 months ago, the DWP sent me two illegal payments which I returned and I still waiting for payment for my sickness benefits which I am legally entitled to, even winning my appeal at the Independent Tribunal Service. I suppose they're too busy with all these foreign claimants to bother about the local population because they do not want to be called racist and be politically correct, with more European immigration into this country perhaps 18 months might not be a long time in the future for hard working tax paying British people as we will be put further back in the queue I am just disgusted with senior civil servants in this country
If being a member of the EU, means we have no control over our finances, then the question has to be asked:- why are we in this organisation anyway. The hole, that this country has dug itself in, is getting deeper by the day, so let`s get ourselves out of it NOW. `Referendum` is a word that does not exist in the dictionary of present government ministers, but UKIP members have a wider vocabulary and would not be deterred from using it. -- Tom --freedom --
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
I wonder if the European Union would agree that all pensioners should be paid the same as Soviet Bloc immigrants, we've paid our taxes, worked and lived here all our lives so surely we should not be considered financially inferior to immigrants, or are we inferior? I live on £130 a week basic pension, I've always paid what taxes are due, so surely I deserve to be treated as well as anyone who comes to live in this country! For heaven sake, get us out of the EU, we're British not European, although some in government want us to toe the EU line.....for some reason or other! All pensioners should write to their MP demanding equality with any immigrant!
Damian Green, the Immigration Minister, said:" We’re in the process of delivering major reform to bring immigration down to tens of thousands with the introduction of a new limit on economic migrants from outside the EU.” Won't happen,he's lying!
Why are their benefits not paid at the British rate by their country of birth and not funded by the British tax payer. If they want the life of luxury without a job, then their home country can pay for it. We truly are a soft touch and our weak, inefective Government will just roll over and do what the EU says. Are you listening Cameron?
VOTE UKIP - The tories talked tough on immigration and have FAILED to da anything. - Labour created this mess and should NEVER be voted for again. - Lib Dems are a bunch of clowns and liars (more so than the other 2 main parties). The whole of Westminster NEEDS a radical shake up before it's too late.
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. - Speedysnail, Poole, Dorset, 3/3/2011 10:19 A simplistic and naive view. The UK is probably the only country where you can be on benefits for life. In Spain you get 4 months doles ofr every year worked up to the maximum of 2 years. There is no housing benefit, limited child benefits (lower tax until child reaches 3). We are not playing on a level playing field. If all benefits were the same across Europe, you would not see this problem.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to. - rupert, yorks,uk, 3/3/2011 9:34.........Do you live in Britain?
i agree take to the streets.
BNP.....it makes sense and the time is right ...
And where does the EU think the money is going to come from? Thin Air. Other countries in Europe don't give all these hand outs so why should we.
Im sure a couple of days ago there was a story of someone claiming benefit for hundreds of people out of one address, cant we employ him to do it for the rest of the travelling wasters seeking easy cash to send to their mother country and out of the british economy?
I think this is truly appalling, I was born in the UK, I have lived here all my life, and I don't make this much at work, I can't use my car any more fuel is so expensive, and public transport is just about beyond me, yet these lazy creeps come here and take money from the hard earned tax that people like me pay every month. Get out of the EU, and set the folks of GB free of misery, throw the lot of them out.
Stop blaming the EC. They don't insist France, Spain etc dish out benefits to new arrivals. It's our own gutless, weak, ultra liberal rules of entitlement, administered by Weary Willies who couldn't run a whelk stall. " They must prove an attachment to the UK and an intention to find work." Of course the Romanian gypsies do!
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all.
There always ways to get around any system.These people will flood into the UK in the offchance that they can bypass the system. When they fail then Human Rights and the lawers paid by us will ensure they stay and recieve welfare. The south of England will not be a very nice place to live the way things are developing..Especially for poor people..Whom does the EU benifit ?We should get out NOW.
Any one from Eastern Europe can come here and claim benefits whilst those like myself who've paid into the system for 40 years cannot claim a penny because I put a few pennies aside for a rainy day. Disgusting.
We must get out of the EU a.s.a.p, if we don't we will become a third world country, and if our government won't listen to us, then maybe we should do as the people have done in Egypt and Lybia?
Germany are so short of young people, that they will paying young Poles to move there to train as apprentices. And they will be entitled to full benefits, Perhaps the UK should start to worry about this competition.
There's only one party now will get us out of this mess...
If only our leaders stopped bleating on about there being no money for all the services, and PULLED US OUT OF THE EU, there would be plenty of money to spend on these things. The truth is, the top politicians are in it for themselves, wanting to expand the EU Empire so they can eventually have a world government ruled by an elite, with them being part of that elite of course. They certainly are not handing over all that money each year to the EU Dictatorship for the benefit of the people of the UK. Quite the reverse, the ordinary people get NOTHING at all out of it, though the rich land owning cronies of those in power get hundreds of thousands from it in subsidies. Meanwhile, we are paying all that tax for this to happen. The unelected gravy train elite who are running the EU have got to be some of the most self serving people ever born. Yet we allow them to get away with it because we keep voting the same three Parties into power, and they will do nothing about it.
yet people like me who lost there job late last year are peanalised for the slightest thing, i missed one interview, immediately rebooked and attended, have applied for countless jobs but they stop a week of my money for missing one interview,now im really struggling. ive worked my entire adult life but now im facing hard times the government looking for ways to stop benefits for people including people who are seriously trying to get back into work. its almost like they want revolution here!!! they keep pushing the people to anger!
that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh they do stop here but not in the thousands that are going to Britain. They come here and take the jobs and then get the choice of paying their tax here or back in Poland for example. The government is losing tax from these people plus having to pay unemployment money to the Dutch who were put out of work. Their drinking is another problem. Sorry to say that, but you read just about every day that some trucker has been caught over the limit while in charge of a truck. Still, if the Dutch companies want drunks and workers who don't understand or attempt to understand the language. So be it but it will come back on them in the future.
Mr Cameron listen to your people,the people you represent ! GIVE US A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U. NOW !
Just what the UK needs! Come one come all, the more the merrier.
We are full enough as it is, makes me sick it really does. I work so hard to support a family of four on one income and yet a foreigner comes in and claims the full allowance simply for being here....where do we all queue up to leave?
The law changes will come into effect within weeks as the European Union scraps restrictions imposed when eight states joined the EU in 2004, and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move. Britain is not powerless to counter the move, the leaders just don't want to lose the personal benefits they will have now or at a later date. The government also want millions off benefits, is this so they can pay the immigrants instead
We need to say NO ! and refuse entry to them ! What will the EU do if we do this ? Impose fines ? Great - don't pay them ! Jail the whole British Nation - er no! Put us us against a wall and piut a bullet in our heads ? Not really Expell us from the EU ? GREAT - BRING it on JOB DONE ! There are no problems, only solutions !
What i want to know how many other EU.countrys pay benifits to them , we have and how much would they get there.We have become the dumping ground for all the other EU states.
Read the article. No one can simply enter and claim benefits. Honestly, what is wrong with people who have been paying tax into the system claiming the benefits that that tax pays for if and when they need it? What does their nationality have to do with it? It's no more wrong for a Latvian in the UK to claim British unemployment benefit having lost their job than it would be for me, a Brit in Germany claiming German unemployment benefit if I lost my job. In both cases we are actually entitled, having paid into the system. Sometimes people forget all these European arrangements are reciprocal. And that the rest of Europe is also opening its labour market (in May). That combined with the collapse of the pound (from €1.50 to €1.15) is making the UK a far less attractive place to work for eastern Europeans.
Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is. - Jon, Cleveland --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which party is that, John?
This country is being run by a LIBERAL FASCIST ELITE that has only one aim, the complete distruction of British people and our culture. Now it does'nt seem to matter what party they are or coalision of parties, the rest of the world comes first, the British people last. Words fail me.
This is outrageous, our pensioners have to subsist on a fraction of this money and yet, the greater majority have contributed to the system all of their working lives. This government havn't the guts to tell the EU that we will not obey their dictat. Lets get a government with some 'bottle'.
Why ?
There will be a very easy way round this but it will be interesting to see if our government is interested enough to find it. In terms of arguing about prisoners and their right to vote, I think immigration is far more important. So we'll just have to wait and see whether our government thinks the same.
the only way out..B.N.P and put a stop to this nonsense now....
The UK is bankrupt, over populated and in the midst of so called austerity! How can foreigners get benefits? Payment of National Insurance should be required for any benefits! This rotten country has the worst politicians and government in the world, they sem to be steeped in collective madness. We must abandon the equally mad EU. Please vote for the BNP or UKIP, we must give up on the con/lib/lab dunderheads.
Time to forget your false self pride, Great Britain! And dare not call me an Eastern European, I come from the Czech Republic where life is so much better than here for us ordinary people! Your country is on the way to hell.
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers
I cant wait only when the country is completely over run will they learn, becuase the immigrants wont be paying any tax to fund the madness. Roll On the destruction of England, Rule Britania needs to be changed as we are already slaves to the EU
We need out of the EU now. Cameron says he is handing power back to the people,but although 85 percent want a vote on this issue,we Brithish are denied a vote as it is only for democratic countries.
Give us the b----y referendum we were once promised...NOW.
The EU is using us as a dumping ground time to get out I think.
Meanwhile pensioners who have paid tax all their lives are sitting indoors with coats on and eating one meal a day. Disabled and dying people worrying whether they will now be deemed fit to work and their allowances stopped. Beacause this country is BROKE, Spineless gutless government get us out of the EU now!
If we have to pay them benefits , which i believe is totally unacceptable, then they should only be paid the same amount they would recieve in there own country , that should apply to all immigrants ,untill they have contributed to the Pot ,its not science
Spoeedysnail in Dorset - I lived in Spain for 10 years and as far as I know, if the rules haven´t changed, you had to live there for 2 years to claim anything. It would be nice if all OAP´s could have 250 GBP a week - then we could live it up. What with free prescriptions in Wales and Scotland and now 250GBP a week for immigrants, then the High Speed train to pay for, then the Olympics, which which leave us broke, we don´t have a very rosy future.
Enough is Enough! It's bad enough we have allowed our own scroungers to live off the state for so many years without being forced to take in other countries! It's an outrage that someone who has never lived in this country or contributed a penny, can wlak through our boarder patrol and be entitled to be looked after for the rest of their miserable lives! Cameron and Clegg if you want another stint in the top jobs BLOCK THIS PATHETIC LOOP HOLE NOW!
It is time that we learned a few lessons from the Egyptians and the Tunisians, and liberated ourselves from the kleptocracy.
I can assure you this will not apply in France. It is rare to find foreign workers in France, Why?
Maybe they could extend this courtesy to the Libyans who will arrive here shortly?
so where will the money come from,with all the cuts being made plus the money we waste on other countries now we can ill afford this,i wish I could emmigrate and get the hell out of this country.
Watch people pack in work by the thousands. Why am I working? I am taxed to extinction to pay for these freeloaders. Why should people claim benefits who have made absolutely no contribution to them. Bankrupt? You ain't seen nothing yet. Europe will succeed where ZanuLabour only took us to the brink.
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges)
If they are unemployed anyway then they might as well be unemployed in the most generous nation for benefits and housing and unfortunately that is us! Why wouldn't they come here? It's a disgrace our political elite have allowed our country to become powerless against this.
So, at last, will someone see that there is an urgent need to CUT UK benefits so they are no higher than those in other EU states. That should end all the problems and may reduce my tax liability. After all we're all in this together.
And has long has the muppets(voters)keep voting in the current crop of politicians, there will be no stopping the communist EU,has they are all EU friendly,didn't they all promise a referendum in their manifestos, then reneged on that promise, yes folks they LIED too you ,this country will sink under the weight of all the scroungers making their way through Germany and France too get too the land of milk and honey,Trouble is soon enough we indigenous people will be eating bread and just plain water,while the scroungers have £££ thrown at them,its just a national disgrace, vote independent next time. party politics is ruining us all.
The sky is full of flying pigs. I do not believe one word they utter.
I have just tried to claim living allowance from the benefits agency due to a herniated disc in my back and nerve damage in my left leg and i have been told i am " not entitled " to any financial help at all, even though i had a dr's note at their request. Some days i can have an 'ok' day, and other days, i can't roll over in my bed or stand or walk, or sometimes get off the toilet without crying out because of the pain. I was born here, my entire family were born here, and yet genuine people like me who really ARE unable to work don't get any help. I feel SO let down, i could just cry after reading this.
What a joke
There's is a huge difference between 'can' and 'will', however if it was even 10% of the scare number quoted, it's crystal clear the country can't afford it.
beggars belief.
make you laugh dont it,give millions to other countries now millions to those that have never payed into the system being able to claim thousands
The time to take to the streets has arrived.
How many people will have to lose their jobs to fund this? The real cost will be significantly higher than this, becuase they will get free NHS etc. "It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer". This statement is complete nonsense. We are the furthest away, yet the greater number come here, bypassing Germany and Austria on the journey. I am in complete despair and wonder why I bother working and paying taxes anymore. The bankruptcy of Britain moves a step closer, probably sealed when Cameron gets his wish for Turkey to join. I fear the 2010 election was our last chance for real change, I can't see a way back now.
When are we going to take our country back, from these morons. We need new leadership, the three main politicial parties are no longer fit for purpose. We also need to take to the streets.
This is yet another reason we want out of the EU. We no longer rule ourselves. Unelected idiots from Europe who are paid a fortune are telling us what to do. We need some form of revolution to get us out. The current lot of politicians will not do it because they are are weak as dishwater and to a man are all YES men
And so it continues...
Daily Mail immigration scare story -yawn, yawn ,yawn. Will Cameron have a referendum on EU membership -NO. He hasn't got the bottle.
Oh the DWP with make sure the system is not abused by the migrants, but they can't even stop the British people abusing the system.
UK is a joke
God help us. We are already bankrupt.
And would British migrants to these EU and non EU countries be able to claim the same amount on a recipricol basis? I DONT THINK SO, its just the same old story of the EU mugging the British taxpayers and our spineless politicians afraid to stand up for our rights, not that we have many left. Up to 100,000 migrants from the Soviet Block will be eligible for the payout demanded by the fraudalent EU, and the British Government is powerless to stop it, So whats the point of having these useless politicians that are overpaid and actually have the Gall to call themselves the British Government when its plain to see its the Cretins in the EU that tell them what to do and how to rob us, the British Government in my view are just the middlemen taking their cut and handing the rest of our money to European Fraudsters. PS Cameron you are losing a lot would be Tory voters to UKIP and the BNP and who can blame them.
We do need any foreigners here. Britain has no jobs, schools, housing and our NHS is at breaking point. the millionaire government is making more and more British people redundant. We must get out of EU, they make laws that are ripping off the British worker and taxpayer.
Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford.
"..............It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer."................But the big question is....Are the benefits as good and as easy to get there as they are here, (well for foreigners at least). Think my maths are right £250 each for 100,000 over twelve months is....£1250,000,000...1.25 billion pounds...not much when you say it fast. Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is.
It's about time we started reneging on our commitments - other countries do - no way should we sanction this latest edict from the European Union - come on UK Government - tell them to get stuffed
'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. The reality-- this is what will actually happen. Flood of claims, not enough trained staff to deal with the claims in the strict time limits allowed ; nor will there be any desire to pursue difficult cases including obvious fraud. In order to comply with targets all smaller claims will be automatically allowed. This will become common knowledge in the migrant community and multiple claims just below the automatic threshold will swamp the system.
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK
This is totally wrong. They should have to pay into our system for at least 2 years if not longer before getting any benefits. No wonder this country is being overrun by immigrants.
Get us out of this EU bureaucratic asylum NOW. We need some very urgent action
STOP IT NOW.
While we are at it, shouldn't we take in all the Arab refugees as well. Being a delveloped nation we need to set an example for the rest of the world to follow. There are some lovely mansions around that could do with having immigrants in them.
And the powers that be wonder why over 50% of the english people are in support of a far right party to curb/stop immigration. It won't be long before that figure is 80% and then we'll have trouble, mark my words.
And this is new news? There are enough people sponging off our handouts already, this isn't shocking news and doesn't come as a surprise. Joining the EU has been the most disastrous move ever made and allowing these types of benefits is a mockery to the taxpayer, the elderly and those who have devoted their lives to protecting and serving this country. Its disgusting. I have been made redundant recently, have been working continuously for 20 years and cannot claim any benefits at all. It makes me want to vomit.
No words casn actually put into context how fed up, disgusting and disgraceful this is to British tax payers. Also, there will be many more coming here than the estimates suggest... there always is. A life on benefits in the UK is paradise for many people from these countries. And also there will be mentally ill British claimants and other genuine claiments receiving benefits today in the UK that will be taken off them in the next couple of years to save money and they will be replaced by non genuine claiments from soviet block countries. We must get out of the EU now or basically it is the end of the UK.
Go to hell! Out of the EU now, and new govt ukip/bnp govt will do me fine thanks.
This is a criminal act of theft from the tax payers! Something must be done about this to save the economy and the livelihoods of British citizens.
Come to Britain ... free handouts, free handouts. Open out your hand so we can count out a pile of pound notes for you. Roll up .... roll up .... plenty of taxpayer's money going begging. You want more?! Of course you can have more .... just spout any old reason to justify it and you can have extra! What happens when you want to go home? Don't worry, we'll send you some there. Are you entitled? Of course you are: you've got an Insurance Number haven't you? Not interested in where or how you got it: main thing is you've got it so we can give you lots of money. What about the British taxpayer who've paid all their lives and having their benefits cut now? Nah, don't worry about them: they can pay for things themselves. Roll up .... roll up!
such a joke what exactly does EU membership do for us? Hardworking people in the Uk are being penalised whilst people from other countrys seem to get everything handed to them on a plate
Have we no 'medicine' for this type of sickness. ?
Meanwhile we wait for our referendum , I'm convinced that our parliament has no authority whatsoever and is ruled by the unelected elites within the EU, There is a employment crisis and more cuts are about to bite yet we still entertain this madcap policy imposed on us by the EU on unfettered immigration from within the borders of Europe, when will these idiots who are supposedly in charge here get a grip on reality and get us out of the EU before its too late.
What a shame we are "forced" to implement something that most of us don't want. Now we don't run our country anymore due to gutless politicians. I am sure I was promised a referendum once on Europe. Ah well, another lie.
this is outragous, when will a government in this country have the balls to say enough is enough, along with many in this country is it time for us to think about the way we vote.We just cannot aford to go on like this, it is simply suiecidal for the country that i love. .
If protecting the benefits system from abuse is their ' number one priority ', why do I know so many people openly abusing it ? Just within my own small community their are people working cash in hand , those claimimg to be living apart whilst still a couple, single mums deliberately getting pregnant once their youngest child turns 7 to avoid finding work, and those climimg DLA for ridiculously minor health problems that their children have. Even though these people have been reported , nothing ever gets done.
Better start printing some more money then. Makes you wonder why the people of the UK go to work just to see 30% of their income go in total waste to the EU and it's stupid policies.
How come having worked for fifty four years, having paid all my taxes, and then having to retire through ill health, I only get a little over one hundred pounds a week, and despite having very little money in the bank I don,t qualify for any benefits. It makes me sick.
How much longer do we have to put up with the tyranny that is the EU? African and Middle Eastern countries are taking to the streets to overthrow dictators and the EU is no less than that. Human rights? What about the British tax-payers rights? Really is time to tell the EU to stuff it and withdraw from this petty dictatorship.
This is so, so, wrong. We are being bled dry by countries who DON'T allow their own countrymen to CLAIM benefits. This country is a benefit free country for every scrounger from foreign countries. It has to stop, we HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY for them.
I think that the EU needs to make sure that France comply with this ruling, this country is overfull while there is plenty of room for them in France.
I do not think that any UK Government will evermanage to pay off the massive debt that is hanging ove out heads. The EU are not helping countries get over the reccession.They are just ploughing along doing things there on way. The whole EU system needs to be overhauled. or we shoiuld get out and then we can allow in this country whom we want and not be persistanly dictated to.
OUR COUNTRY ...IS A ..................JOKE! AN INSULT TO US BRITISH
Sooner, rather than later, this country is going to revolt over our continued membership of the EU and the ECHR. We want our sovereignty back and our RIGHT to self-determination! Sadly, the ECHR will never grant the latter, although it supposed to uphold human rights. Referendum now!
250 pounds a week !!!!! , Totally and utterly immoral, when you consider this is more than twice the amount our state pensioners get, and these European migrants have not paid a brass halfpenny into the pot. It gets worse and worse eh The sooner we get Nigel Farage and the UKIP in No ten the better,or come to that anybody , instead the main three, DON,T BOTTLE IT NEXT TIME FOLKS AT THE BALLOT BOX 11 otherwise it will go from bad to worse ,and worse and worse etc etc etc !!!!!!!!!!!
It is crass stupidity to pay job seekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit and all other subsidies to anyone who was not born and brought up in Great Britain. The sooner what was initially called the Common Market when I voted for it accepts this the better. This country has had the Great taken out of Great Britain by ill judgments of our own politicians in conjunction the greedy mind set in both Brussels and Strasbourg.
Powerless to stop this? Not so, we can tell the EU to shove it and the sooner the better. It is ludicrous we should have to pay benefits to *anyone* who hasn't contributed to this country. A whole new level of idiocy when we have to pay for foreigners' children (still living in another country) child benefits as well. A lunatic asylum is postively sane by comparison.
Would the last person to leave this dumping ground, please switch off the lights.
So what is the point of Parliament then? We are ruled by the EU as Great Britain is dead. It is now time to have an English Assembly because all the other countries in the Kingdom have one. OR maybe quit the EU!
A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits. 'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. Ha,ha,ha,ha. No we don't. This idiot should try reading about the daily fraud cases involving £millions of our taxes being given away because we do not have proper checks in place.
well no point changing now just continue screwing the british people
How I wish Mr. Cameron would stop trying to dance on the world stage and sort out the vast array of problems his own country has, most of them brought about by unfettered immigration. This is a SMALL island and has not benefitted from its membership of the EU; quite the opposite. How low have we to sink before the eyes of those in power are opened and they start tackling the blaze? The British have fought for their freedom down the centuries only to become their own executioners. How sad.......and how frightening. Out of EU now and CLOSE THE BORDERS.
I guess the new benefit reforms announced,which would save the government over £5bn,is going to be paid out in benfits to Eastern European migrants.Or to make it sound easier. All UK citizens on benefits will be having their benefits cut so that migrants can claim benefits.
Madness!!! I would like to be earning £250 a week.
YOU STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE ! Anybody that works and pays tax in the UK now must be mentally certifiable.
This can't be allowed to happen, this government must stand up to Europe and refuse to accept their decision to allow immigrants from Eastern Bloc countries to claim benefits, rebates or housing. As a matter of fact this government needs to return these people to their own countries and let them be kept there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. CAMERON YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND NOW IT WILL COST US DEARLY YOU STUPID MORON WHEN WILL YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT WE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WANT OUT OF THE EU. WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM NOW>
THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO MAKE CUTS MR..CAMERON. NOT YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Disgusted. Cameron do something and get us out of the EU now.
what's the point in limiting the non EU migration as they can't do anything about the EU migration. It just a political game the goverment play saying they would restrict the non EU migrant but to be honest it wont make much of the difference on net migration. More people are coming in the UK (mainly from non EU) than going out.
the time to leave the EU is long past. great britain will disappear forever if we stay in. i am sick of being dictated to by a useless bunch of redundant EU beaurocrats, who have achieved absolutely nothing of any worth.
If we are to follow these stupid EU rules, then we must stop paying the membership fees as well. Tell Brussels that to use their rules we MUST stop paying them any money. After all who would still pay into a company that has not published accredited accounts for thirteen years or so.
They WONT get a penny if they come to Spain ,Spanish have to pay into the system before you get any back and i believe its some years before any payments ??.ONLY IN THE UK DO WE GIVE OUR MONEY AWAY.
The best way to protect the system from any abuse is not to let them in in the first place! Cam-moron-gives us our promised EU referendum NOW!
"In a move that could cost the British taxpayer tens of millions of pounds, migrants from the Soviet bloc will be allowed jobseeker's allowance, council tax benefit and housing benefit ". ----No wonder they are queuing up in Calais and other ports along the English Channel to get into the UK. And, that is just the illegals. We are the softest touch in the whole of the western world for immigrants and the funding of them be they legal or illegal. The immigrant now takes precedence above a UK born citizen it would seem. It appears the Coalition are as bad a Labour were in their Border Control efficiency. It is non existant.
Are you freaking kidding or what ??? . There are pensioners out there who went through the second world war to defend this country get half, if not less than that, some cant even afford heating or a real meal, if this stupid,out of focus, clueless EU wants us to pay these imigrants £250 a week, they better foot the bills, I really cant help thinking why the BNP and UKIP may be an option next time round. -- We need to get out of the EU, seriously, if we dont, the real british people may one day start a revolution, theres a limit to how far one can push, and that limit is getting mighty close from what I can see.
For God's sake, get us out of the EU now! We must refuse to comply. I fo one will be voting for either UKIP or BNP at the next electipons, as the only parties who will do something about this situation.
Make's you proud to be British? as a pensioner working here for 50yrs,i dont get that much i just wish like all our other immigrates i had another country to go to ,,, for free hand out's.
I have worked 43 years to get £100 a week state pension (taxed as I have an even smaller pension from my job). Funny old world. I suppose the tax I pay goes to these people.
How can Eastern Europeans who have paid NO NI contributions or tax get benefits in the UK, when I who have paid in for over 35 years am denied any JSA because I have not paid any NI in the last 2 years ( the previous 35 years deemed irrelivent by the benefits agency) ??.
It's disgusting---this is more than pensioners get (who have paid in all their lives) just one more reason to pull out of the EU. If we have got to pay them, it shouldn't be any more than they get in their own country.
What is the point of the EU exactly? Is it just a big social experiment sanctioned by a very powerful faceless group of people? One wonders.... because when decisions are made against the grain of common sense, there must be a hidden agenda that is appeasing a small minority but destroying the majority.
Another plus for Labour. Wait for the excuses. Or are we going to get another 'Sorry, we did not think' . All the time they are laughing behind their hands, they did the social engineering they wanted to do and have now left some one else to pick up the pieces. The great irony is, the new government will make themselves so unpopular trying to get us back on the right track, Labour may well get voted in the next time around. Remember last time, they took over a good economy, stuck with the policies for a while, then went all stupid and got us in our present mess.
GET US OUT OF THE E.U NOW,WE CAN NOT AFFORD THIS
Out! Now!
Why? Why? and Why? It's time to stop this sort of madness. What will we do when earned income in the UK is surpased by the amount of benefits handed out?
One day the people of this country will get a true democratic government that will allow us to decide the future of the UK. Yes, we have the vote but, once in power, our demands are ignored by the our MPs because so many of them have there fingers in the pies of companies who want cheap labour to keep themselves in splendour. They don't care one iota about us serfs who are struggling to cope.
No wonder this country is a mess. Will the last british born person to leave, please turn off the lights and leave a note for the milkman...
This is stupid, when we havent got enough money to run our own country and look after our own people. This must STOP now. We are full up and at bursting point.
GET OUT, WE MUST GET OUT OF THE EU NOW. We will become the next third world country if we do not. We cannot afford to be in the EU and to preserve our own traditions, cultures and economics WE HAVE TO GET OUT of the EU ..................................TODAY
We need to follow in the same vein as the uprising arab nations. And say NO, we want rid of this hideous dictator and want control of our own liveand borders. We constantly have the hideous dictator Brussels and his equally hideous 2nd in command, the human rights act, telling us what to do. It's time to revolt against them. Then maybe we can have a return to a multiracial society with a monoculture..British.
In the last war we fought for values like freedom of speach, democracy and an english mans home is his castle. WELL EUROPE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE!
So they will have to be living and to have worked here before they qualify for benefits based on thei tax & NI payments. What's the big deal?
NO NO NO! This must be stopped. If the EU wants such people to get benefits they should fund it themselves.
What a way to discourage people coming to Britain. What an absolute insult to every taxpayer in the country. Whilst every household in the country is being screwed by every government agency, from local government to state, yet there seems to be this bottomless pit of money for those who have not paid into the system and all under the banner of the European Union. What about families who are struggling, what about pensioners, what about the British soliders who risk life and limb with sub-standard equipment, what about the hospitals that are in desperate need of money and schools. It is an absolute outrage. This will only encourage more of them to take the hop, skip and jump over to Britain and the very generous benefits system. It is way overdue for Britain to pull out of the European Union and use that 1 million pounds per hour that gets sent across the Channel for British purposes.
so who is going to pay for their pension and their kids upbringing and schooling etc. soon there will not be any money in the pot because no one will be contributing due to the fact the country will be top heavy with people receiving handouts. then the ghettos start and then the basic infrastructure roads sewerage etc will fail.take a look at the countries where they live and that is what the uk will look like in the not to distant future.
We are witnessing the systematic rape and plundering of our country aided and abetted by our own unscrupulous politicians. By the time it dawns on Lib/Lab?con voters it will be too late.
Yet another reason to leave the EU.
More social engineering by Labour. Blair had the chance to put a cap on it but chose to let in unlimited people to claim benefits and put a strain on the NHS, housing and our schools. Labour have DESTROYED this country and the poorest will suffer the most. Blair and Brown should be ashamed.
No one who has not contributed should receive benefits.
can I please apply to become Eastern European at least that way I will be able to afford to live in this cess pit of a country, instead of working and loosing 20% of my wages to tax each week for this lot.,, another reason to vote B N P
Another benefit of being in the eu. We pay in millions that disappear into the corrupt eu coffers now we have to hand out money to people who come to take our jobs and houses. These same people over load our public services. The argument is going to be they work harder then the Brits. Some of them do some of them come here purely because they get good hand outs and can squat in peoples homes without fear of being throw out. Other come and commit crimes and overload the criminal justice system and jails. Lets get out of the eu sooner than later, however I feel that later has already come and we are going to be stuck in the quagmire of eu corruption for ever.
We need to help the citizens of our own country. Giving this much money to all the scroungers and layabouts of Europe will encourage mass migration into this country. Time our government stood up for its own citizens, and let other countries worry about theirs.
Times are getting very hard here in the UK. Do those nice people at the EU not realise that it is getting very difficult to make ends meet and that we cannot really afford to give money to these poor people from abroad. I think I might have to write a letter to that nice Mr. Cameron in case he doesn't know how bad things are. I mean, if nobody tells him, how will he know. I suppose his friend, that other nice man, Mr. Osborne, he might have mentioned something to him. I think I will write to him just in case. Bye, bye.
We need to get out of the EU. Why has no one done anything? it costs £60 BILLION a year just to be a member, they now control our laws and 'himan rights' and now will bankrupt us with this mess. Egypt didn't like their government, we don't like ours - how long before we repeat their actions. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough we can't afford this.
We need to take to the streets and demand democracy from the European dictatorship. It worked in Egypt.
Have British politicians become so gutless they won't stand up to the EU? Try claiming benefits in France, Germany or Holland without having a job or residency status. You can't. I know as I've worked there. No wonder 3.5 million immigrants have come to the UK. Free and easy welfare. The benefits bill will rise and public services squeezed again. Utter madness.
Just goes to prove we do not need MP's, we are completely run by Brussels.
Full benefits worth £250-a-week each for up to 100,000 Eastern European migrants Says it all really what have we become a country fit for what?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals. If The British People do not protest, and make a stand very soon, they will be a Minority in their own land.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to.
Change the rules so you cnnot claim benefit unless you have paid UK income tax for a year and that you have to have a british address to be mailed to and have to come and collect your benefit in person from say a post office UK only account so the money cannot go abroad.
Just say NO, we will not do it, what will they do expel us from the E.U........we are not that lucky! if they have no work in Britain why are they here!! send them home and make it compulsory, the French did it with the Roma gypsies and it did not do them any harm, few weeks of moaning and pretend outrage by other E.U members and now it's forgotten.
WHY DONT WE JUST SEND OUR WAGES TO THE EU?
Habitual Residence Test my ass, our friends in the EU will find a way round this that. How much longer will the British Public tolerate Brussels Farce.
will the EU help fund these.... you can bet they won't! In the mean time the indigenous Brit will be frozen out from claiming the slightest of benefits due to the cuts. Time to close the doors and leave Europe.
Immigration minister Damian Green pointed out that at the same time that the scheme ended in the UK, countries including Germany and Austria would open their labour markets to workers from their eastern neighbours. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How much longer must we wait until these fools get a grip on immigration? geographic location has nothing to do with it, it's all about benefits which our governments repeatedly bend over backwards to give to these people at our expense, that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are enough workshy British scroungers here as it is that we're forced to support, close the borders NOW!
Come on England when are we going to wise up. If it's not the Scottish or the Welsh taking the mickey it's the Europeans. Pay in and you can take out, if it's charity you need, use the channels set up for that, but the constant drip drip of cash leaving the economy is ridiculous.
Is this true, or just anothe DM fantasy story ?
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. Foreign workers who come here to work and pay UK taxes to support OUR unemployed should also be able to get benefits. Its fair, its no different to the way our countries treat foreign workers and basically if you pay in . . . why shouldn't you be able to take out if you need to. I sure as hell wouldn't pay taxes into a system if it wasn't going to support me if I needed it!
Yet we are having cuts imposed on us at all levels....the NHS needs more money,.our military has had vast swathes scythed through it, our care of the elderly is in crisis.... when will the idiots of all persuasions who govern us have the balls to say no more room in the UK and start to take care of our own back yard!
do you know what i would pull out of europe now they are just a pain in the a** we should have never joined in the first place edward heath as a lot to answer for, i will never be a european as long as i live i am a Brit though and through this is an island race and we will always be should never have buildt the tunnel eirther, and i think you will find a lot of people think the same.
This has got to be the end of liveable wages for the ordinary working Briton.
this is not bloody fair we dont even get that with a state pension yet we have worked all our lives get out the EU and how dare the EU legislate against the English it isnt on. why do we have to beg for pensions to go up yet u r letting immigrants take our tax payers monies surely there is a loop hole some where
'and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Load of rubbish, all they have to do is refuse. I can't see them refusing though, they love their lords and masters too much. They don't give a damn about the British people, but any Foreigner who comes here they'll move the earth for. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A GOVENMENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE? OUT OF THE PATHETIC EU NOW!
Why?
I truly despair..
I rejust don't understand? I have had my life turned upside down, been kicked, disregarded, and thrown in the rubbish bin by employers because I am now 51 - facing discrimination by employers who consider you too old & too expensive. I have worked since 17 for over 33 years' solidly. Paid all my taxes & NI. And do you know what I can receive in Jobseeker Benefits. Not one penny!! I have been unemployed on and off for 3 years now, my family is suffering, my marriage is all but over, and despite my protestations to DWP, PM, Iain Duncan-Smith and Sir George Young, I have been told continually. "Rule are Rules" & "Sorry". This is about the final insult left. Let all and any immigrants in near vicinity in and pay them a ridiculous amount of money to do nothing... they will quickly wangle the system and amazingly the country will be in more debt. Surely to goodness, you look after your citizens above all others. Europe has gone crazy and good UK families suffer! Good grief!
Referendum on leaving EEC asap
This is stupid - in France you have to have lived and worked and paid in for 5 years to have the same rights as a French citizen (that is benefits). I think if the UK gives benefits to EU workers who are freshly arrived it will be the only country that does!
Yet another reason why we need to get out of the EU now, we have a choice with everything just no government with any backbone!
Hope these traffickers,don't park their Mercedes in the wrong place,they are bound to get caught.
These are people stupid Labour allow to flood into our country.
These are people stupid Labour allow to flood into our country.
Caroline, UK not EU - "Oh the joys of being part of the European Union, we get this filth imported onto the streets of Britain" A typical response from a euro sceptic - and, and as usual, completely wrong, they are not part of the EU. The problem here is, In or out of the EU we are an open door for all the waifes and strays of the world.
These people are scum and the police should put as much resource as possible into stamping this trafficking and slavery out.
....and there was Gormless Gordon and the rest of Liebour telling us that immigration was good, and that they paid taxes to help our economy. I trust they will be held to account over this case as well?
And the West deserves this. Blair starts an illegal war against Serbia because Milosevic came down hard on Albanian criminals in his country. Shame on NATO
Hang on...4000 women forced into prostitution and they have only rescued 25. Was this because the police did not wish to infringe on the human rights of the pimps. how many evil monsters like these live in this country? What does Gordon and his lackeys mean to do about it...So many unanswered questions under this weak ineffective goverment.
It should have been sixty three years each...in their own country of deprivation.
legalise Prostitution and keep those who want to work in the Industry healthy and safe
Why oh why do we have to imprison them and the great British taxpayer fund their keep? All criminals should be returned to their country of origin and sent to jail there. The law is an ass.
Harman cannot get involve in this sort of thing. She has a moral duty to screw up relationships in families here. That's her raison d'etre. If these scum were sent 'home' they would never see a prison cell. This crime is probably acceptable in Albania. Also, just a thought, didn't Brown/Blair apologise for our slavery past. Then the 'do nothing about crime' party mouth platitudes that their lemming followers lap-up as action. Sad, sad, sad.
Welcome to multicultural Britain, a place where you can experience diversity on every street corner. They sent the poor victim home, and us, the taxpayers will keep the criminals in prison for a short while and then let them loose to resume their activities. After of course giving them a state handout.
The article states that in 2003 4,000 women were trafficked into the UK for prostitution and In 2009 25 women were rescued by DS Martin's unit. Not exactly a great recommendation for his unit is it?
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 Yes, becuase the indingenous population of Great Britain are pious law abiding citizens who wouldn't dream of doing anything illegal.
'Why doesn't Cameron raise this sort of issue at PMQs?' - Tony Gee, London, 07/12/2009 18:42 Because it is to become legal under EU Law
It will only stop when the people actually paying for sex get thrown in jail too. Men need to realise that women and girls who are doing this, don't do it because they love sex with strangers (or at least very few do) but that it is either forced on them by traffickers or pimps, or else it is the only way they know to make money without stealing it. Why would any real man want to pay for sex under those reasons? After all, it isn't as if we live in a society where all decent women stay virginal in a relationship!
These Albanians have got to be illegal immigrants. So whats going on?
WE have more and more Albanians coming to this country---why --we should send them back as soon as they arrive, when i lived in Spain the police told me they have more trouble with these people than any other nationality, they are here living off of girls, they have never intended to work and yet we have Brown saying we need more foreigners here, when these evil pieces of filth have served their sentences they should be removed at once, but the trouble is we have the do-gooders who will fight their corner and say they have changed their ways.This is only the tip of the ice-berg their are many more of them out there, just look in your local paper and see the ads for the massage parlours. How many more foreigners do we have to keep in our prisons before this country wakes up and smells the coffee.
Only Gordon could close down the Police Unit for stopping this. Is it too much to think Harriet might consider this a real travesty against women and speak up in Parliament. On sending them back the trouble is they'll probably get back in again with our pathetic border controls. Let's just hope they are not accidentally! released early.
For all the people who are complaining about these guys not being returned to albania to serve their sentences there: if they are sent back to albania, we have no way of making sure they are kept in jail and not just freed after a couple of years. would you rather see these guys out on the street in albania, free to sneak back into the UK at some future point, or to start a trafficking network somewhere else? the flip side of being a nation that believes in human rights and dignity is that sometimes you have to pay to make things the way you believe they should be when others won't. if it saves young girls being kidnapped, abused, raped, beaten up and killed, then i'm willing to pay.
This was not made public to make people aware of the scale of the problem. It was made public because they thought "At last we have found one!" There is practically no human trafficking in the sex industry. Dont take my word for it, read some sensible reports. It is very likely that this girl came here with the express intention of working in a brothel. The men are involved because the girls need a bit of help with the rogue punters who think the sex act is the same as a punch in the face. The money is good and it beats picking cabbages. I know this info is not beloved by old Harman or the other baying harpies with a cause to promote, but most prostitutes choose to be prostitutes. It is a business a lot older than the human rights business and will still be a business when Harman and co are no more than a laughable memory.
The men using these girls as prostitutes are also a major part of the problem. If caught using trafficked women, they should be charged with rape.Surely if they go with these poor girls, they must have a nagging doubt as to whether she is there of her own free will. It would take a great deal of ignorance if you did not realize a drugged or frightened young East European, African or Asian girl could be a sex slave. If you use them, then you run risk of being a convicted rapist. Take away the customer and you take away the market. I am not beating the anti-prostitution drum, people become prostitutes for various reasons and the same goes for the people using them. As long as it is consenting adults, I do not have a problem with it. The government should legalize it and licence it. Then it could be controlled and become safer for the girls, by removing the criminal element. The taxman would also get his cut.
You need to kill off the flow of customers and one way to do this is to publish the photograph of anyone caught in one of these brothels in a national newspaper. That will soon slow down demand.
This is the same reason the Slobathan Milosevic attacked kosovans because of the crime racket they run in their country. Any way thanks to tony blair and bush we can taste some albanian crime spree as well Long live tony long live bush ha..... ha..... ha......
Legalise prostitution and have some guidelines in place. There will always be prostition but what kind of man would sleep with a slave??? For the love of God...
For God's sake can't we get rid of these bleeding heart liberals and get in politicians who are able to take tough action of criminals of all types here. Why on earth a country like Albania was let into the EU I'll never understand.
It is a sad fact but this sort of thing goes on all over the world. It is about time to raise the profile of this situation and eradicate it once and for all. This "human trafficing" is about destroying young womens lives and treating them like animals. It must be dealt with now; why can't Britain be the first to take a positive stance on eliminating the problem and show the rest of the world the way?
this is LieBours multicultural enrichment of Britain is it?
what religion is in Albania? yep you guessed it, the one that really values women.
This is Labour Britian a complete loss of morality. Worse a complete loss of contol.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 07/12/2009 18:32 And of course British people have never comitted a crime like this, ever. I'd like to think that the number of bigots on here who think crime is the sole preserve of foreigners and the lower class is a surprise, but really it isn't.
A nasty story, but it will continue to happen because the demand is there. Sex will never go away, so better to legalise it, regulate it and decriminalise it. This would be safer and healthier for all parties involved. But sadly the 'vocal moral minority who are completely without sin' will never allow this to happen and it is they, who in their blind opposition to legal prostitution condem these women to sexual slavery.
Exactly, Paul from Bude. Why does the UK have to fund their jail terms?
I just cant bear to read the UK news anymore, I dont recognise my old country. I dont know of any other country in the world that would let them get away with this. It doesnt have to be like this - the rest of Europe is grown up, adults control children, governments control who comes in and who doesnt blah blah blah no one is listening anyway...............last one out turn off the lights
This country has had it!! Our forefathers fought the war for nothing. It is SO sad. I don't think any government will be able to do anything now - not even Cameron. We are past the point of no return and whilst the bleeeding lefties have the clout they appear to have (for some unknown reason) we are finished. No wonder the BNP is gaining popularity. Even middle of the road people are leaning further and further to the right.
63 years seems a little harsh for being a pimp, how many murderers get off with 20 years or less? The punishment should fit the crime.
This example is merely the tip of an iceberg which NuLieBore have allowed to happen by giving foreign criminals free entry to the UK. WHERE ARE THE alleged 40,000 (more like 400,000) illegal immigrants in the UK that the discredited Home Office cannot locate?
ah yes, Albania, another Islamic paradise. Islam is the only religion that still allows slavery.
True justice would be for these men to become sex objects for other prisoners.
Have the men concerned had their bank accounts investigated and are they being charged income tax at 40% on the earnings. It's disgraceful that these foriengers come to the UK and trade women for sex without paying a single penny into our system. They are probably claiming benefits too for ficticious family's, and where is their work permit to be here, and what have they claimed their occupations are.
The wonders of the multi culture system, Labours open door policy. They of course will have their human rights.
Disgusting. The men that do this and the men that visit these brothels. What the hell is wrong with people?!
The punishment is not severe enough for ths type of crime. It ought to be a minimum of 20 years served.
Just wait till Turkey joins the EU and is more easily enabled to send its pimps and other social scum to likve off Britain.
By expanding the EEC , we have merely imported crime into the UK. Albania is not part of the EU, neither is Ukraine or Russia. And yet we have many thousands of these people in the UK, simply because they are Eastern European and they can get false Polish or Romanian passports. My wife worked in a maternity ward in England, and she often had patients from Ukraine and Russia. We have no checks when you can just hop on a bus in Poland and arrive in the UK a day or so later. It took me 3 years to apply and be approved to get into Canada, and we had to have police checks and medicals for myself, my wife and 2 children. These criminals should be deported back to Albania and never let back in again. Wishful thinking!!
Not many people seem to know that this sort of crime comes under the 'organised crime' sector. It is a type of 'cancer' in most countries of the world today - and a 'cancer' that comes under the incurable title. Corruption is a part of life - unfortunately. Too little is being done. And the severity of it's effect on our world is too often understated. The Scales of Justice at this moment in time is tipping more to the side of 'bad' - only those who control this world we live in can at this point make the 'adjustments' needed. Let's hope 'they' exercise their conscience!
You have a minister worried about little girls liking Pink while this is happening on your streets. Somone needs to make sure that minister loses her job for stupidity.
This vile crime never happened in the UK before the east european thugs gained free access. Its one of the most appalling things one could ever imagine. Innocent girls are duped or kidnapped then 'sold' to brothels run by rapist thugs. . Their motto " you can sell a stolen car once, but you can sell a woman over and over and over again". This branch of the police deserve full credit for their good work in fighting this and getting the monsters jailed. However, it won't be long before they start kidnapping local British girls and using them in the same way......heaven help the UK if this isn't stamped out. No woman can feel safe now.
When the government (any) let people into the Country from the EU & outside & they are Not working what do you expect. They will do whatever to make money.
So the guy was replenishing his 'stock'. I wonder how he disposes of his old 'stock'?? It will never cease to amaze me how a human can presume ownership over another. I wish as much attention was paid to this slavery as what is paid to the African-American issue. Then we would get somewhere. It's all about money though. It doesn't pay to rescue these women. Who are we fooling? Human life has no value.
Was this the only lady that was freed during this operation? Now that these vile men have been captured what has happened to the brothels that they surely run? There must be other girls who are forced to work for them, did they manage to free them? There is an amazing drama called Human Trafficking, staring Robert Carlyle which gives a glimpse into this evil industry. Sadly this happens everywhere and for Brown to deny its existence in the UK is sheer ignorance from somebody who is supposed to be running the country...... It breaks my heart. These girls are mothers, daughters, sisters.
Nu Labour's policies at work again... virtually open immigration will make Britain so diverse... roll on the election.
What's the difference between this and selling footballers for obscene amounts of money?
It is all very blatant and the police must be able to track and have records of all these brothels so presumably they are legal? Why?
Thanks New Labour for turning our country into Europe's cesspit in just a few short years.Fear of being branded racist or a nazi fascist by the pc mullahs means no one dare speak against the vast criminal element invading our country and exploiting this weakness in British society. Time to wake up and look around you.
So what if they didn't pay tax on her, everyone is on the fiddle a little bit, they are Albanian (donÂ’t be racist) you should respect other peoples cultures, itÂ’s all part of the "diversity" that is making Britain truly amazing, we should all be thanking the labour and the other political parties for this groovy multi-culture we now have.
This is so despicable! It just makes me gag. Well done to the police for getting these! And who would think while we wonder in and out of Selfridges on Oxford Street, there are women passing us by having to face such appalling situations. This is happening everywhere and British people are involved too, so don't pass the buck!
Yep, the benefits of mass immigration in action. Lovely.
DON'T deport them. All that will happen is that they get a slap on the wrist in Albania and they will be back on the next plane...and our immigration officers will welcome them with open arms. Instead, give them an automatic ten year sentence for each charge of human trafficking and then put them in a prison labor camp at hard labor for the rest of their lives! Oh, and while we are at it, put them in special prison uniforms...pink...to show that they had no regard for women and treated them like slaves. I am sure their fellow convicts would like to have them pointed out so they can treat them "appropriately".
You'all don't have to worry too much: Bubba will be his roommate and he will find out what being a girlfriend is all about.
Any comments Mr. Home Secretary, "making a valuable contribution to the economy" perhaps?
Why aren't the mens faces clearly plastered all over the media? How do these girls get into these situations in the first place?
Pigs!
There needs to be a crime similar to statutory rape that puts the onus on a man to ensure that the woman he has sex with is acting freely. Otherwise there is no incentive for a man who uses prostitutes to think/care about how she got there. I'd prefer that no woman felt she needed to sell her body for cash, but prostitution by someone who is free to change her mind and walk away is a different matter from someone brutalised and terrorised and kept prisoner. If a woman is found to have been forced into prostitution, a man who has sex with her should be charged as an accomplice in her kidnapping/enslavement and with statutory rape as he has had sex with someone who didn't consent freely. The government also needs to make resources available to investigate and build intelligence and watertight cases against the scum who buy and sell women (and children) like animals. It's a lucrative business. Convicted traffickers and sieze their assets as the proceeds of crime.
Is this what Labour meant when they said they were' rubbing our (English) noses in diversity'? Why are people from Albania just allowed to walk in and ply their evil trade and where is Harriet Harman defending these poor girls and women? She would be better employed trying to sort out this problem, than doing our menfolk down at every turn.
All brothels should be nationalised. No one has ever managed to stop prostitution so why should the profits not go to the exchequer and cut down our taxes? Properly managed there would be no pimps, no slavery. All the women would be free to choose not only the career but also the customer. Regular health checks would help to get the level of STDs down. Albanian criminals need not apply so should be returned from whence they came. Prostitutes could then be the only civil servants making a profit.
These men should be forced to sell THEIR bodies 25 times a day for ten years.
Britain is going down the toilet fast, I do not blame the British people that cannot wait to leave.
How lucky we are to have our culture enriched through diversity...
Slavery should carry a 100 sentence with a minimum of 70 years to be served all of it hard labour. No work no food.
So three "foreigners" are sent to prison to the cries of "close the borders", "leave the european union", "bring back hanging" and "we used to rule the world don't you know". Now, how about the 8400 ENGLISH men who were going to RAPE this girl every year? Shhhhhh nobody mention that.
I might have missed something here, but the woman in this pic looks like she's just someone walking along Oxford street. If she was being 'sold' wouldn't the sellers have her hidden or at least be holding onto her. The police report says one of the men was 'standing guard over her' but this woman doesn't even look connected to the men.
Albania might not be part of the EU but thanks to the schengen agreement it is easy for Albanians to pass through EU countries and end up in the UK. How else can so many Albanians and Kosovons end up in the UK? And believe me, there are a lot living here!
The anwer is easy, legalise prostitution, set up properly run and supervised places and the problems identified here will go away. Stop being such a high and mighty state, admit that prostitution always has and always will go on and deal with it in a modern way
Just let you know Harman, I am a white, heterosexual male chauvenist pig, in your eyes, but I would have these men castrated before imprisoning them for life. You and your kind would join them for comparing normally decent men with scum like this to create division in society, to further your own misguided and completely selfish ambitions.
My understanding is Albanians require a visa to enter the UK. So the reality is more likely that these "Albanians" are actually Kosovan "refugees" that the Labour government has granted asylum too. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Odd ! In October I read lengthy articles in another paper by Nick Davies saying the whole subject was massively over-blown and researchers had failed to find any evidence of sex trafficking.
I don't understand why you always talk about deporting your criminals. They are criminals in Britain under British law. They may or may not be criminals in Albania. Britain should exact British justice. It's rediculous to expect Albania to do that for you.
What a pity we are now so exposed to thugs from Eastern Europe. I preferred it when they were confined to the close control of the old USSR. It must however be said that the sad inadequates who seek satisfaction through prostitutes are the ones to blame. Without a market for these poor women there would be no sex slavery in the UK. It seems like we live in ultra evil times. I cannot see our society lasting another century if it continues like it is. The Devil seems to have won control of our once mainly law abiding land. Morality and modesty have disappeared alongside respect for women, children and the elderly.
Eastern European gangsters walk into our country at ease and expand their criminal activities, yet the barriers are closed to many of our Commonwealth allies whose fathers fought and died in British uniforms. Surely the time is long overdue for the reversal of this situation. - scotty, cambridge, 7/12/2009 18:07 Yes ... Gangsters, terrorists, islamic fanatics ...WELCOME ! Decent people, Commonwealth people, especially Christians ---- NO ADMITTANCE ! Labour are traitors, the police who refuse to arrest them after they have been reported are also traitors, and where is Her Majesty the Queen in all of this?
NULIEBOUR and there policy of flooding the country with anybody, and taking down our borders, are to blame for this,what do you expect? law abiding church goers,they have turned our Country into the dustbin of the world.
So they found one at last! Forgive my cynical view here but haven't we just spent millions to uncover the 'sex-slave-trade' in Britain only to find that the real figure is considerably short of the thousands estimated. They found prostitutes a plenty but 'sex-slaves'? Virtually no evidence of coercion. Check it out.
Let's hope that the buyer isn't a member of the government, because that would mean that the taxpayers bought her.
This is part of the culture of eastern Europeans. It is rather racist of the English to try to prevent them from conducting their lives according to their cultural mores. We should be more accommodating and allow them to conduct their lives in the European way. England is a part of Europe, now. We must adapt.
Albania is the member of NATO since April the 1st (I wish it was a joke!) Recently EU commision accepted without discussion Albania as a candidate to EU membership. Again GB is paying the price for American interests abroad...
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 As pained I am to say this, but over 80% of articles I read on here, are about British youth/people killing innocent members of the public for no apparent reason, disrespectfully urinating all over war memorials, husbands killing their wives (vice versa), yobs terrorising residents, teachers having inappropriate relationship with their students. And you're telling me that immigrants don't know right from wrong, I think you need to look slightly closer to home. This country itself has long time ago lost it;s morals and the notion of right from wrong.
"Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!! - Arthur Gruntfuttock, Moscow, 7/12/2009 18:17" I assume that was sarcasm! Shame others didn't think so, given the host of red arrows....
This story shows why the sex industry should be decriminalised and regulated rather than driven underground. Making commodities such as sex and drugs illegal just fuels organised crime and puts innocent people, such as this poor lady in harms way. If it were regulated, girls would not be taken advantage of and they would be paying taxes.
Shiver, my family have been down that street many a time. Is no where infallible?
I've had a lot of dealings with Albanians. They are unscrupulous and not to be trusted. They come from a lawless country and they have a very bad attitude to women. Our local town centre is full of them hanging around in pubs trying to pick up English girls so that they can get quickie marriages which results in a British passport. The Greeks (their neighbours) despair of them as they have been reeking havoc over there for years.
Welcome to the EU!!
We let in pimps from Eastern Europe, drug dealers from Asia, Murderers and rapists from Africa, Muslim extremists, and pedophiles from Australia. But for some reason our government had a problem with the Gherkas from Nepal. I hear many of us saying that the British people won't do the jobs that immigrants will do. That the British people are lazy and scrounge off our taxes. But i'd prefer to know that my taxes were going on a lazy man than a pimp or a drug dealer.
Why are so many undesirable Albanians being allowed to live in our country when Albania is not in the EU.Close our borders to these evil people and sort this mess of a country once known as Great Britain out.
Labours "open door" policy over the last 12 years = a country now just a distant memory.. Thanks to "Cool Britannia" Tony and Broon and all the idiots who bought their vision..
Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!! - Arthur Gruntfuttock, Moscow, 7/12/2009 18:17 Red arrowed. I think (HOPE!!) this was meant - quite rightly as sarcasm aimed at our 'glorious' politicians? Different standards - women are obviously seen as 'items' to make a profit from with the likes of these low-lifes. No good turning to Brown, (Harman to sort immigration) etc - they think the same way. If they thought there was money in it for them (or votes ) they'd jump on it with both feet - certainly not because it'd simply be the right thing to do. What a thought... the people running OUR country have near enough the same mentality as the scum who do this kind of thing.
This is nothing compared to Haliburton and Dyncorp trafficking humans, getting caught and then being given more contracts to operate in the areas where trafficking starts - war zones etc. Solution = Exposing govt. as acting as a front for criminal corporations and taking our country back
Only today in England???
Some foreigners seem to be trying their hardest to turn us into a third world country. Will MPs discuss this? Of course they won't it's not PC to discuss foreigners committing crimes here.
It costs approximately between £25,000 and £35,000 PER YEAR to keep a criminal in jail. That is several million on this handful of scumbags alone. Lovely to know where your tax money goes. Check out Clause 25 after Section 53 of the Sex Offences Act 2003. It would have brought in tough laws against the people who use these poor girls as a piece of meat. Labour voted it down.
Nothing new here, in the 40's it was the Maltees that ran this seedy trade in London. There's so much business for these people to make money it clearly becomes worth their while. Personally I've nothing against the girls making a living this way for themselves if they choose. But allowing this rubbish to control you, I don't understand.
Enrichment diversity open borders this is only the tip of the eastern european crime iceberg. Our country is crawling with gangsters. Wonderful eh?
It always seems to be Albanians involved in this vile trade. So, why not check up on all Albanians entering the country ? Ah, of course, that would be racist wouldn't it ?
However did they get in via our tight border controls? Oh for the love of all that's holy! Makes you weep to be British
is this one of things Britain benifits by, all the immigrants labour have let in, to do our country the world of good, I bet these low life Pimps are drawing benifits as well
Take the MP's from boroughs that have encouraged intransigents to live in multi-occupancy homes once occupied by families and charge them with misfeasance in public office. Then watch things change!
These rats, buyer and sellers, need horsewhipping and throwing in jail for a week without food or water then send them back to their own country. I have had experience of the Eastern European life and their rules are different from ours. It's about time they were taught what ours are but our useless Govt. havent the guts to exercise it. I pity the poor girl.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 Craig, these men are under no illusion that what they are doing is not wrong - don't be so silly. Do you think people-trafficking is legal in Albania for heaven's sake? Unfortunately there are horrible people all over the planet.
We have a woman being sold into sexual slavery and all some people can say is that Albania is not in the EU. That says it all.It doesn't ,matter a fig where Albania is. The fact is that men, women and children are being sold into sexual slavery.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 07/12/2009 18:32 Yeah mate. Cos Britain has never had pimps and brothels has it?
I hate to say this, BUT some of our Kings in the 16th and 17th century would have young girls procured for them. They would be purchased and often the man who transacted the deals ended up with a title for services to the Monarch. One reason why I've never shown respect to any aristocrats.
I can't quite get my head round how you come to be "owned" by someone? Why do these men claim ownership of these women. It's sick. I think anyone found guilty of this crime should get their just desserts in prison. I'd like to see them assaulted by others 25 times a day to see what it feels like!
A picture that no doubt could be seen on many a high street in any of our cities. Until this government and the next one shut our borders and insist on a visa for entry, issued in the country of origin by the British Embassy, this kind of illegal activity will continue, along with credit card and financial fraud. Checks at our borders are non existent, this country does NOT know who they let in, who is a criminal etc. The UK is not the country I used to like as a child, as a young adult and any pride for this country has almost gone. I am not proud to be British anymore. All I can say is that an missed opportunity 15yrs ago could have changed all that, but he ho!, life goes on.
Those on picture aren't East European, as you should know from geography lesson (but you don't know as you aren't well-read, DM readers), Albania is in Southern Europe, check it on the map. They have nothing common with new members of EU ( I know , smalltownish nationalists, that between sentences, you want put them together with Polish into one bag), because Albania isn't in EU. And as opposed to your prejudices, lack of knowlegde, delusions , I HAVE PERSONALLY A REASON to be against them, because last year I was hit with van by illegal immigrant from Albania. And I ask british police, border agency and you all Brits, why those people are in Britain, although they have no right to be here, are content, and I'm treated like a dirty scum by British , although I work here legally (mental job,not cleaning, disappointed), pay taxes etc. I ask you Brits, why you are so thoughless to alienate to yourself people,who are YET still friendly and helpful to you(I mean Polish)
Just goes to show what a sewer this country has become. Who is responsible. NEW LABOUR.
Bob Baillie, Hedge End, Hampshire, 7/12/2009 12:05 "What unspeakable scum these men are. Why are they in our country?" Bob: It is because so many British men have no qualms about paying to use these poor women. That is the reason... The users are the true criminals. Why are they not being arrested???
Here we go again why not just deport them back to Albanian and let them root in jail in their own country. - Alain, England, 7/12/2009 18:43 Alain, believe me they wouldn't stay in jail long in Albania, that country is so corrupt they'd be back here on the next plane! Unfortunately if we want them off our streets that means locking them up here.
So I suppose the excuse that will be given by the Socialist government of the day is: " Well at least they are earning a living and the UK welcomes all those independant business men from the Eastern parts of Europe." So why doesn't that woman Harriet Harman, jump on this disgusting trade and drive these criminal out of this country. All this shouting by Socialist MP's, about womens rights are rather silent on this issue. they should get of their backsides and get to grips with this horrific trade.
Who the hell is giving these people the right to be in our country? These people should be deported back to their own countries and left to rot in what will hopefully be rat infested prisons! They should be got rid of immediately. There should be no place for these people in a civilised society.
WHY do we even tolerate this?
See them all on Question TIme telling us the benifits of immigration - what a mess this countries in!
One sure thing is that us english will pay for the holiday. they will enjoy before they are released start up all over again earning mega bucks at the expence of a young girl addict.
Most of the women in these brothels wont have a choice. Passports taken on arrival, brought to the country using false pretences, beaten, raped. Men can be digusting sometimes, because you men who USE these girls do have a choice. Keep your trousers zipped up & then the trade would fade away. Meanwhile, for anyone caught traficking, let their punishment be the same. Let the prisoners in jail loose on them. They'll soon find out what a god awful life they have forced these sex slaves to lead.
We have opened our doors to human filth such as these traffickers. These were caught- thousands haven't and never will be. Law and order has gone to the dogs.
gordon brown it dont give a toss who coming here or who is going out no wonder is star sign is a pisces , it dont know where to turn , fishes they swim in all direction that what is good for swimming [ how wonder if it know how to swim?
Lots of red arrows for my comment on this story; I was joking you morons!! If you just don't get irony go and read the Sun!!
Our lax and impotent border and immigration controls have allowed the criminals of the world to settle in the UK. How many times do we read of crimes, once unknown here, carried out by those who are not natives of this land. Who will crack down and stem the flow, and give us back our country?
With free movement of people within the EU, unfortunately little if any background checks are done, before allowing people to settle here. So in come the murders, rapists, gansters and pimps. The least the government could do was to make sure special police units where set up to deal with this. You can bet they (the gov.) knew these types would be attracted here.
What incredibly light sentences! Only 63 years between the four (or more?) of them ! With time off for 'good' behaviour some of these these revolting pigs will clearly be walking the streets of London again in less than nine years. When oh when will we understand that living in prison holds no fear for hardened criminals of this kind? In the absence of the death penalty, can't we at least ensure that such creatures stay in prison until there is no chance of their being able to do further harm? 65 years to life each would be a more reasonable sentence surely.
If there were not so much demand then there would be no supply. What kind of a man would pay money to rape an obviously unwilling girl? What are we in the Dark Ages???!
The big deal about this is they do in daylight because they think people doesn't care about eastern european women as much as people care english women. It's a good sign the police tackling them, now people can help in generating awareness of the problem and tip off the authority when needed.
Round up the men involved , give them solitary confinement and throw away the keys , end of problem
Caroline, Albania isn't in the EU !
Here we go again why not just deport them back to Albanian and let them root in jail in their own country.
Why doesn't Cameron raise this sort of issue at PMQs?
Caroline, UK not EU - honeypie, when did Albania join the EU?
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course.
I suggest Harman gets on her high horse over this sort of disgusting trade by getting illegal immigration sorted rather than ranting in her usual fashion at men in general. That is the real problem Harriet or are you too blind to see it !
The best argument for legalising and licensing the industry for a while. Put the scum-bags out of business.
jailed at an expense of the British tax payer. They should be deported and jailed in their own country.
That is a demand and supply. If there was no demand for these women in the UK there would not be a supply. Do you know how many Eastern European women get trafficked into Greece, Turkey, Israel? The demand for these women is high. I am disgusted of these slimy men who then tell others that there are lots of Eastern European women working as prostitutes in their countries. Yet, they forget why they are there; because of their dirty desires.
Oh the joys of being part of the European Union, we get this filth imported onto the streets of Britain.
The sentences seem reasonable if they actually serve them
Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!!
This is the reality of Brown and Bliar's Multicultural dream. Not much equality there is there Harriet?
Bring back hanging for this offence.It might then stop.
Labour tough on crime and thing's can only get better what a cess pit they have turned this country into.
Sex Trafficking DOES NOT EXISTS according to Gordon Brown who closed down the UK's only specialist police unit that investigates children and young women forced into becoming sex slaves. The Daily Mail also ran a story last month with information from Government “Experts” who said it does not happen but this story is proof that it does happen. There are more officers investigating what people put in their bins than slavery today. Sadly it is over money, there is no money for Gordon Brown in stopping slavery but there is in making new ways to fine people. Now the Mail proves that it does exist and it will get a lot worst by the Olympics, the government stopped counting in 2003 when it was 4,000 women why? Then they hid the figures and lied about the existence of sex trafficking. Shame on you Gordon Brown.
Eastern European gangsters walk into our country at ease and expand their criminal activities, yet the barriers are closed to many of our Commonwealth allies whose fathers fought and died in British uniforms. Surely the time is long overdue for the reversal of this situation.
What unspeakable scum these men are. Why are they in our country?
how disgusting- i hope this poor woman is ok now ! and what a VILE 'boyfriend' !
Why where these pimps ever let into this country in the first place ? Harriet Harman - a comment from you please regarding immigration checks. Thanks.
Thanks to New Labour's open door policy and in the name of diversity they are now encouraging this appalling practice. New Labour you have caused so much misery than you could imagine.
More than 300 foreign criminal gangs operating in London speaking over 23 different languages. So this is how Gordon Brown is using immigration to boost our economy, what happened to British jobs for British works/
How much further is it possible for this country to be reduced? "Selling" human-beings in broad-daylight on one of the most famous streets in our nation's capital. England's shame! p.s. why only 63 years in total? Should have been 63 years apiece!
HOW VILE! HOPE THIS WILL MAKE MEN WHO USE WOMEN IN BROTHELS THINK ABOUT WHO IT IS THEY ARE USING THEY ARE AS GUILTY AS THE DEALERS THEY MUST BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON!
Would have predicted this story!
What a sorry state this once pleasant land has become
lovely jublee what's the surprise nu labour and bliar and brown in particular have opened the door for all manner wonderful people to roam our streets with impunity - as the police are far too busy collecting tax for this lousy government - perhaps these people will now be rounded up and forgetting their human rights got rid of immediately.
Similiar thing just happened here. This crime is so vile, so anathema to human rights, that the people convicted of slavery and human trafficking should be tried as traitors. This crime undermines the very heart of a modern society, and because of that it deserves this categorization. However, as you pull these people off the streets the price goes up, and so more people are willing to risk it. However, if you really want to put a crimp in this crime you need to address the DEMAND side of the equation. These people SUPPLY a "product." The demand comes from the guy walking in off the street to use the "product." I'm sure some will say that these poor men don't know. It isn't that they don't know, they don't CARE. It might even be that they are excited by the idea of that. These men should have their faces plastered in the media. They should be charged as heavily as the trafficker and slaver. A bit of that action would drive demand down faster than a superhero
Why do we allow it, it's bad enough if they were British but they are foreign criminals instead. Come on Harriet Harperson, do something useful for women for a change.
Welcome to New Labours Britain
thank you labour and the EU.
Simply depoert them all back where they came from. No more problems.
Why were all three Albanian men not returned to there own country rather than tax payers money used to jail them for a total of 63 years???????????????????????????????
Welcome to labours multi cultural Great Britain. As McBrown keeps telling us they are good for the economy.
Thank to New Labour, immigration is good for the UK? Say who?
That's a bad monobrow, that.
'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?==============Well for a start, I wouldn't go to another country and rape someone at knifepoint.
I'm a women from Lithuania and really ashamed of this evil man's actions... 10 years ago me and 3 other women were savagely atacked by an English guy on the same night. It just unfortunately shows that no nation is immune to evil occurrences!!! Look in your own garden before you start judging other nations!!! Love and peace !!!
It is rapidly reaching the point where the people need to make a stand....if our elected government won't protect this country then we will...
WELL DONE UKBA is this another one of your sucesses.
Vote UKIP to get of this.
The "Beating heart" of britian wants to stay in the EU according to Cameron... I wonder what these two women who were just raped would have to say to him about that tbh.
A big thank you to all of the traitors in the plitical class.
Sue the Government they let this vile person in the country with their treaties - they ok being driven around and security for them and their families - all at the tax payers expense! Discusting the whole thing is discusting
UKIP
David Cameron thinks we would be 'mad' to leave the EU.
I wish I could afford to emigrate from this godforsaken country!
Dont even want to bother with him or how he got here. Only thing i would like to mention is young lady who despite it all isnt letting this disgrace of a man ruin her life. Amazed by your courage...
Please close the door to immigration.
When is this all going to stop - do our customs not check up on these filth? When you watch the documenteries on customs in New Zealand etc they check everything then put them straight back on a plane if they are not happy. What do we do?
He will not do 9 years and he will not be deported.
vote ukip its our only hope
Its a safe bet that Cameron and Clegg do NOT include the added cost of EU criminals when they say the EU membership is essential for Britain.
Deport on release. No two ways about it.
The political and financial elite of this country have the most to gain from us being part of the EU. It's the working (mainly) and middle classes that have to deal with trash like this. Remember when they say that being part of Europe is good, they mean good for them.
If Cameron and clegg spent less time cosying up to the EU leaders and more time listening to British opinion the country would not be in the state it is....my vote is for Farage
One of the occasions where he should be forced to serve his sentence in his own nations prisons..... i feel sure pool tables and TVs , plus three good meals daily and free central heating will be a priority in his own country!!
I'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?
If you want to stop reading headlines like this vote UKIP, over to you Brain dead voting sheep.
Why are so many comments ignorant and detrimental to Eastern Europeans? Its not fair to tar all people with the same brush. This guy represents 0.01% of Lithuanians living in Great Britain but despite that statistic it still causes knee-jerk reaction for a lot of people. As an English person with a Lithuanian fiance I can completely sympathise with why Eastern European people come to our Country - its to better themselves. Admittedly there will be a smal fraction of people who come here to sponge off the State, but please take into consideration the vast majority who come here to work, especially those in high-ranking professional positions that English people couldn't fill themselves.
what is the point - we all know what needs to be done yet the people who can do nothing. time to leave the EU we get nothing from it except problems........ the time is now
So does that mean we have to let all criminals in to UK? You don't hear of France, Germany, having these problems - well I suppose that's about right, they just disregard all EU rulings anyway, and we welcome everyone in with open arms - as we are told, "its good for our economy!" Ha
They should taken him to the Tower Of London and left him there to rot. my thoughts are with the victim.
Why have we got to foot the bill for keeping this "man" in prison? Send him back on the next plane....then slam the doors shut on our borders!!!
And Mr. Cameroon still wants us to be part of EU..!!!!!
we all commenting, but doing nothing.. typing on a keyboard is easy, standing up and doing something is not in British nature, come on people!
come one, come all, everyone welcome, we promise no checks will be made on arrival.
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
We put our own nationals through intensive checks including C.R.B so why do foreigners just get the open door no questions asked ? On a side note the advert for the video is longer than the clip, and why do companies advertise a clip about knife crime and rape, I wont be buying that toothpaste.
VOTE UKIP!
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Wanted in Lithuania and we let him in?
I thought criminal background checks were standard procedure before anybody comes into another country??? Good God, UK border officials, what the bleeding heck is wrong with you?
Perhaps some liberal politician can explain why why having something like this crawling round our streets is 'good for the economy'?
HOW ARE THESE LOW GUTT ER SCRAPEING SCUMBAGS GETTING IN ?
All the more reason why we need proper Boarder Controls. Not this FAUX system run by these corrupt officials.
"Butkus must serve a minimum nine years in jail before being considered for parole and faces deportation upon his release" - and faces deportation, what a laugh. This guy should be permanently banned from the UK, stuff his Human Rights.
Only one answer to this nonsense - VOTE UKIP.
Another success for our useless Border Agency.
We need someone that has had a working lifestyle to run this country and sort it out. None of these private school boys who live in another world, we need someone that knows what the people want and isnt afraid to get things done.
he will purchase a cat then judges will allow him to stay in the country
What are we doing allowing trash like this specimen into the UK? We are told be the likes of Clegg that one of the advantages of EU membership is the European Arrest Warrant - what happened here when a wanted individual just strolls into the UK?
Yeah, like there are no British rapists and murderers? Your reasoning is pathetic.
he is allowed to come here to support his family back home, despite many of us here having no work. Is he now in a british prison ? If so where is the money coming from to keep him, we are expected to cut back and go without, and yet this man, who should never have been allowed here in the first place having a criminal record , is being kept by us? can someone in government explain why ?
he probably has a cat here and cannot be deported.
THIS GOVERNMENT NEED'S KICKING TO THE KERB !!! TO MANY SCUMBAG'S ARE LET IN THIS COUNTRY , SHOP'S ARE CLOSING , ITS GOING DOWN HILL !!!!! WE NEED SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT WHO CARE'S ABOUT ME !!! YOU !!! PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ,
All those who blame Tony Blair should look at Lib.Dem. and Conservative policy over the last 40 years. They've all done it and UKIP are a pretend party and if ever they get in power they would have no guts to do anything. They're just Conservatives in disguise.
Does the HEART of the country still want to stay in the EU?
shut the borders now.
So a life sentence is 9 years?
Thank you Tony Blair
More Eastern European filth on our streets. Just wait til next year when the floodgates open.............
Its a pity that he didnt rape the politicians familys, perhaps they might take better care of the borders then, they are the ones that bought these evil people to our shores, send the eu criminals back now..
Good old EU. Get rid of your rubbish in Britain, France will not have them nor will Germany Cameron will make you welcome.
And what will happen when all the Rumanian and Bulgarians gain access to Uk under 'freedom to roam '- we will have most of their criminals as well - How does that benefit our nation SHUT OUR DOORS NOW
Get rid of this scumbag NOW!! make him serve his sentence in own prisons where they are not so soft as ours.
And what exactly types of benefits do we get from the EU?
and loads more eastern europeans due here soon stop it now we have no room no money no police no borders no hope vote ukip
Re comment from 'execblond', Perth, Australia. Excellent idea but, sadly with the inane Human Rights Act we have in this country, we cannot do this as it would breach their 'uman Rights!!! Sadly, this Act takes precedence over everything, even common sense!
We are FOOLS! The British people treated like DIrt! WHY do we stand for this!! We here cases like his every week, yet NOTHING is done, but our "Leaders" ha tell us we should NOT dump the EU! OUR people are SICK of the EU, get us out and LET'S get Britain back to sanity and so WE DEPORT who we want!! Shut the door NOW! Before thing get dreadfully worse!! UKIP for me
How about some of our top lawyers (who make plenty out of this nonsense) put together a class action on behalf of all those whose lives have been spoilt by criminally incompetant beaurocratic couldn't care lesses. Do it on a no-win-no-fee basis.
VOTE UKIP
I'm just so frigging tired of reading about these scum on a daily basis. We need to protect our women. Get these vile pukes out of my country NOW!!!!!!
daily we are given the glad news that yet another rape murder fraud has been commited by someone from the EU and their open door policy , we have the right to demand that the boarders to this ISLAND be patrolled properly and vigerously and that ANYONE can be denied entry to this nation ...as many have pointed out , let in with a cheery wave , down to the dole office , nice little flat ...then out to rape , we cant continue to allow or own people to be treated like this !!!
Thank you Mr Blair, Brown and Cameron! You and your wonderful multicultural ideals have and still are putting the lives of people at risk every day in this Country and you don't give a damn!!!
Mark my words, It can only get worse from January next year. Tens of thousands of poor Romanians and Bulgarians've already applied for passports in order to come to UK. Lots of criminals will arrive here under false name, with 2-3 passports each.
Knee jerk reaction time....lets ban knives....oh yes it worked a treat.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting. - Jac w , Weymouth, 15/1/2013 06:40 sorry but there is more brits that claim benefits so shut up... also even when you will have Border Protection everyone still be allowed in!! as no one will check crime records to decide if you can enter the country!! think peaople!!
Takers Takers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid
This is becoming very frighteneing for the good people of Britain. With the floodgates open from December, Christmas 2013 will not have much to cheer about. The East Europeans are coming! They are champing at the bit to claim our benefits, although they have put nothing in. They will bring their families and kids for the child benefit. They will bring their mafia style crime. They have no respect for us, nor authority. Our British woman have cause to be worried. The only way to divorce ourselves of the EU mess, is to VOTE UKIP or BNP.
People like that are sickening. They disgrace their country and put a bad name on hard-working and honest Lithuanians. I'm Lithuanian, and I would think the best would be to lock him up in UK, that will mean that he'll get the punishment he deserves. In Lithuania, unfortunately punishments for scum bags like that are not severe enough to teach them a lesson. He would serve maybe couple of years, and would be released on parole, because of 'good behaviour' and continue what he's doing, people like that don't change. I know UK don't want people like that and they're right, nobody does, but unfortunately, all human rights nonsense leave people like that without proper punishment.
Vote ukip, get these scumbags out...stronger border controls are needed now..
I'd have thought after Moira Jones was tragically murdered in Glasgow a few years ago by a known Eastern European sex attacker that border control will have been seriously reviewed - it seems not. Why can't we get the changes we need in this country?
We are allowing wild beasts to roam large. Who will save us? Not the Bullingdon Boys in their ivory towers.
Dont vote ukip as some comments on here say , remember they will form an alliance with labour , so things will only get worse.
Mr Cameron says we must stay in EU,he refuses to listen to the people of UK.Being in EU is giving people like this rapist a choice to appeal once leaving prison to stay is UK as it will be his human right.Id be out of UK as fast as possible if i could afford it.UKIP maybe our saviour.
Politicians live in "Cuckoo Land" not in our world.
Add your vote to HM Government E petion "Close our borders know" . Enough is enough.
Deport him now. Not in nine years time. Let an officer fly back with him and hand him over to the Lithuanian police. Simple.
But this type of person enriches society, is a hard worker etc.
What are we paying passport control for I wonder... ukip next time round.
Hundreds of thousands more are predicted to arrive in Britain soon. Foriegn Criminals - Coming to a street near you - Blair started it - Brown continued it - Cameron HIDES from it ! UKIP Needed.
Thats all its going to be is reports of Ferel immigrants who only come here to loot and plunder...and Rape as well..Long live the EU ...NOT!!!
Deport this filth.
We take in any old criminal these days - just wait until 2014 for even more to be allowed in. Multiculturalism and more importantly, open EU borders, does not work. Never has done and never will. Close the borders and only let in professionals like respected doctors and nurses. We really don't need anyone else.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting.
What grips me is this scumbag faces 'possible' deportation after his release. Am I on the same planet here folks? He should be put in a sack today and sent back to a dungeon in his homeland to serve out his sentence full stop. Absolutely, vote UKIP.
Why has no politician spoke out about this and many other cases like it... Silence from them all, a sit is they who sign these agreements in our name....YES the victims should sue the UK Government but not the tax payers to pay the cost....the MP's.
and we let him in, what is this country coming too, we need to take tighter control of our boarders and patrol our streets, more police, better training, we need to feel safe on our streets again, and stop letting anyone and everyone in
Another case of 'Open border crime', how many people have to be raped, injured or killed before we stop having open borders. Vote UKIP, it seems the only way to stop this abuse. This must also be causing problems for well behave immigrants who are being tarred with the same brush.
Do what happens here in OZ, lock em up on arrival, until backgrounds and paperwork have been checked
Even if you vote UKIP, it's probably too late. If you can, leave now. If you can't then vote UKIP and throw your full support behind them.
What happened to Border Protection! If a fugitive tried to get into this country he would be stopped!
Just wait until December this year when the EU floodgates really open and another FOUR MILLION immigrants swamp the already grossly overcrowded UK. VOTE UKIP TO GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE EVIL CLUTCHES OF THE OBSCENE EU.
and when his sentence is served he will fight deportation on the grounds his human rights would be violated if he was sent back to gaol in his own country.
He was a criminal when he came here AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AT THE BORDER AND SENT BACK HOME. No criminal should be allowed into Britain whether they come from the EU or the rest of the World.
before he gets thrown back please serve the time for the crime committed...
THANKS TO THE LABOUR PARTYS MASS IMMIGRATION FOR VOTES POLICY
If the British people don't stop voting for Lib / Lab / Con - then expect more and more of this - but of course it wont affect the politicians , they all live in leafy suburbs , well away from all of this .
How can politicians dare to bjt spin and scare monger us about leaving the EU when this is now a daily occurrence on our streets WAKE UP BRITAIN VOTE UKIP!! Romania and Bulgarian gypsies are waiting!!!!
Congratulations Britain on landing another piece of criminal scum. You've got him for as long as HE wants to be there because it'll be against his so-called human rights (what sicko came up with that misnomer!!?) to deport him - or better still execute him! He'll be back out on the streets in a couple of years, living on long-suffering taxpayer handouts and raping more innocent women. How great is that, eh?!!
no border controls,being told what to do by a panel of merrymen from brussles ,whilst are kids are be raped and killed ,by foreigner with no accountability welcome to soft ,soft uk what say you david old boy ?
More of this to come from 1.1.2014 when all the Bulgarian and Romanian criminals flock to the UK.
The solution is easy. Death penalty for rapists. They only come here because they know that British Justice is a joke and nothing will happen to them even if caught. We bring so many woes upon ourselves because the loony left legacy still prevails.
This is Just The Beginning!!!!
Time to give the EU the big finger! All British military personnel made redundant, should be immediately employed in sealing the borders. Then any EU dross [or half of Africa,Asia and the Far East] caught be deported tout suite back to FRANCE and elsewhere. Hollande will need them for voters anyway.
Do the government purposely want people's lives to be a misery surrounded by scum who face no real punishment for destroying others lives. Is it some kind of experiment until we beg them for ID cards or something. There's just no logic behind it, the criminals are destroying society, I sick of it.
Your comments:Why are you people complaining,the crybabies are in the ascendant,it is not about the girl it is about the rights of the individual,foreign or otherwise,the 'uhman rights act supersedes all,there are no borders hence no responsibilities temporal or otherwhise,do as you will the invitation is free.
Thank you so much, EU.
These horrific crimes will continue due to our spineless politicians and pathetic judicial system as long as we remain in the EU.We have totally lost control of our borders.Neither Cameron or Miliband will listen to the non silent majority.Vote UKIP save our Britain.
I'm just glad I don't have children/grandchildren - I don't want to contemplate what this country will be like in 20/30/40 yrs; that's assuming it still exists as a viable 'independent' and identifiable state. And Bulgaria and Romania have yet to join!
Criminals can just walk in ,but i have a friend who has been trying to get a visa for his wife for nearly a year.
Feeling 'enriched'?
A double-rapist gets 4yrs 6 months for each assault!! 'Minimum 9 years' after beating and raping 2 women! Just like the other 'rape'report elsewhere in DM I am just left stunned that an English Judge yet again completely fails to reflect the appalling agony of the victims or the demands of society that decent people be protected! I do predict with the rapidly rising lack of confidence in British Judiciary there will be increasing vigilantism with all the gross mistakes that entails unless UK Judges realise their abiding duty to the general public of issuing clear DETERRENT Sentences.
Just wait til the Bulgarians and Romanians have access to live here. We will have to house them and pay welfare for them. Open borders. Time to reclaim the country. Did I read that only 33 pct want out of the EU? That is quite puzzling.
Time to sort out the UKBA who should have prevented this EEA effluent setting foot on British soil. Mr Cameron , please log on to DM online and read the comments posted by the real, sane thinking, British public. 99% of their comments are a true reflection of how the British public view your shoddy attempt at Government and especially border control.
More non-indigenous filth.
How much more of this are we going to put up with before we take to the streets , like the French,and get this stopped once and for all.
All those who have suffered at the hands of these scum bags, be it rape, burglary, robbery, car theft etc. etc. should sue Tony Blair and his cronies. Take them to court and make them pay for your distress by opening the borders for the scum to come into Britain. My father said 30 years ago Britain would become a dumping ground for the rest of the world, and it has, just go to terminal 3 at Heathrow.
We're cutting back on our police force because we don't have any money and our economy has collapsed, probably because we are now overpopulated and all of our resources are overwhelmed, so as if we don't have enough home-grown scum.............we have to import it. UKIP may not outright win the next election, but neither will Camoron and the Tories.
Thill keep happening untill we stop people just coming into the country with no checks at all. How many more women have to suffer before the Goverment will actually do something?
...and theres potentially another 49 million just queuing up to get here right now thanks to the EU rulings. What a sad country this has become.
Phaedrus, Penzance, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. Certainly there are, take a look at the Swedish papers(in English) and you'll find the same problems especially with rape.
Sue the Home Office and Border Control.
Expect a few million more like him when Romania and Bulgaria followed closely by Turkey and Croatia. join us next year. Good being in the EU don't you think. Worth paying £53million a day for.
Yep, welcome to labours vision. A safe haven to the worlds scammers, fraudsters, rapists and thiefs
UKIP
We need capital punishment - widely applied - as a deterrent and to clear out prisons - applied retrospectively to existing inmates. Punish not Rehabilitate.
Yet more "diversity and enrichment" from the EU-SSR! Thanks LibLabCon for turning Britain into a more "vibrant" place...
What was ww1 and ww2 all about then
Note the weasel words- after parole he "faces deportation upon his release" Not WILL be deported, but FACES deportation, thats if the UKBA can be bothered to pick him up when he is released. And if they do he'll be released pending appeal ( at our expense) whereupon he will disappear until the next crime. So why isn't he sent home to serve his time as allowed under EU rules?
And the British Border Agency allowed him into OUR country, who is getting fired for that? We must vote UKIP to get our country back, it is our only chance.
I think this is why the PM doesn't want to leave the EU... He enjoys the people of Britain suffering.....Get out now and give us back our borders, you coward!
I cant understand why any country would have an open door policy regadless of the reason, even if people from other countries do have the right to live and work in another country does that mean they should not be vetted first... surely there should be a visa system were people have to submit a police report at least or a central data base that police and immigration officials can tap in to.. its a total sham..
The problem is we have restrictions on our own citizens which we can easily check up through CRB checks which are done in India, yet anyone coming here can get around these checks and go straight into work leapfroging British citizens thanks to Labours Equality Act 2010 which states that minorities should be given preference over white men. Those coming here come with low skills sets and take up low waged jobs which means that our national pension scheme cannot cope because the foreigners aren't paying enough into the scheme. AT EVERY TURN MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU HAS BEEN DISASTEROUS FOR BRITAIN.
DM, PLEASE PRINT THIS....IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T TRUE~~~~~~~~~~~~~My god, everything you read is about criminals from Europe, thieving, fraud, more thieving, rape....we already have enough of our own criminals we don't want any more. What is our country becoming?? Lets get out of Europe and send them all back....They would soon disappear, if their benefits were scrapped!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~VOTE UKIP ~~~~~~~~
This is it.. what I am afraid of, the Border have no Control, instead of Border Control.. so may be people who wants to come here, if they are from EU, check the name, nationality dob and finger prints against the Police crime in those country, hence, if they are on the list of the police those country we have the authority to object them to come here. Secondly even though they have the right to come here, the Border Agency have the right to ask them how much money they have,where they are going to stay, if they have relatives, can we have the address and cross check with them, and what is the purpose to come here, If you are in Asia, some of the country ask like that if they are suspicious they will deport you straight away. Surely UKBA should protect their people.
Just political tools....how to break up a civilised society.....yes EU is a shining example of the tyranny we are under....give him a house and a pension....then you compare us to Apes as being fair....haha dont be so naive DM.
Another " guest " committing a heinous crime, time to stop these animals coming here.
Labour:the gift that keeps on giving.
Working as Intended, the EU let's migrants come into the country and do as they will, even if it's rape women... oh wait is this where we draw the line, didn't think we had a line.
Another one ? How many more times do I have to read this scenario, and how many women will be traumatised by these sorts of attack ?
Isn't it time to close the door. There's only one political party with the guts to do it, and they've just overtaken the Tories in the latest opinion poll. First place is only a matter of time for UKIP, and then we will se some real action in this country, and a whole raft of vagabonds, scroungers, and pretend asylum seekers, will be chased back to where they came from!
How many more dangerous immigrants like Mindaugas Butkus are out there? It's a question that can't be answered because the government doesn't even know how many immigrants have entered the country.
Good to see our great boarder control doing their job?.
BRAVE GIRL .GLAD SHE SEEMS TO BE IN CONTROL OF HER LIFE . PITY ABOUT THE EASTERN EUROPEAN CRIMINAL SCUM THAT IS FLOODING THE COUNTRY.MANY MORE TO COME IN DECEMBER.
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT - PIG SCUM. Another result from the Border Agency and this government!
Without any right to appeal etc, PUT HIM ON A PLANE NOW! Foreign criminals should be banned for whole of life from entering or staying in the UK! Sadly we get the cess pit of foreign criminals who exploit serious security lapses thanks to rulers in the EU!
I wonder if there is a figure for how many adults & children have been attacked/raped because of our open border. How many British people would be alive today if we had control of all immigration and asylum seeking issues. These things happen in every country yes, but uncontrolled immigration has caused crime to become totally out of control in the UK. He will not be deported, he'll join the other garbage already here and hide among half of romania and bulgaria who are packing their bags right now. I despair.....and it makes me SO angry we have to build more houses, prisons, hospitals etc to accomodate more of them and chuck away more taxpayers money with our International Benefits System.
What is the prime function of Passport Control ?
With completely open borders this will continue to happen, just wait until more countries can travel freely. The EU will never work in the current format, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. I can only guess there are many people in many countries wondering what they have done agreeing to open borders and mass economic migration.
He should be deported immediately with the Lithuanian goverment incarcerating him for 9 years, its adding insult to iinjury ,that this monster attacks British nationals and is then kept in one of our soft prisons at our expense.
And this is what the E.U say we have to allow into our country with open arms and pay them and house tham as soon as they set foot on our soil.GET US OUT THE EU NOW.
Take him off the streets!!!!!! Take him out of the country and throw the trash back where he came from.What is happening to Briton? Letting in all the scum from all over the world.You polititans have lost control.
Everytime something like this happens it's another spit in the face from our useless, but sly, politicians and the cauldron of hell that's the EU. If we don't put our faith in UKip absolutely nothing will change for the better.
Vote UKIP if you want your country back.
SCUM!
OK so you detect these criminals-then what? no deportation, human rights, own a cat?
Thats right...give our jobs to the immigrants. and leave the british to rot!!!! Grrrrrrr111
Might be a good idea to check that these people havent got criminals records before they come in to the Country in the first place.
What a bloody mess.
This (organised crime) must be one of those benefits of immigration that we are so frequently being told about. I KNEW it was good for the country. What a shambles.
This is uncanny. I have just finished writing a situation comedy for TV about an over enthusiastic Polish detective seconded to a sleepy rural police force 'Eastford Anglia Constabulary' complete with a bonkers crime commissioner and hapless police officers. Its working title is 'Operation Plodska'. The hero is called Detective Karol Plonka and he has a list of 12 criminals he wants to return to Poland. The first episode involves his hunt for a gang of luxury car thieves from his home town on the Belarus border. I've just started to circulate this to production companies. Life imitating art or what?
We should never have admitted foreign criminals to the UK in the first place. Those who commit crime here should be deported straight away!
The E.U planned this sort of thing to gain control of nation states at times of unrest, riots included!!
Good idea whoever came up with this.
I was getting optimistic till I read the operation will only last four days :/
At last the police Federation and authority have brought in there European counter parts.So LET THE GAMES BEGIN .POLICE 1 ,European cooks 0.
About time
This would not be necessary if we were able to demand a visa before entry.
UK need the help of more developed nations like Poland and Lithuania. I'm glad they are helping us (-:
What has happened to this once great country for ? I fear its all going to be downhill now !
This is ONLY happening because we have LOST Control of OUR BORDERS for being in the CORRUPT EU.
Yes I can certainly see our police teaching them a thing or two, they'll know how to hold a speed gun by the time they get home.
One more thing to thank blair brown balls mcnulty Harman and the rest of the idiots in the labour party for.
Wouldnt it be easier not to be a part of this wretched EU? It hasnt given us anything good we could not have done by ourselves.
No one with a criminal record should be allowed in Britain. Someone who can't speak English should be allowed in. Britain is really going to the dogs. It's lost it's morals. When I went to London had not seen one English flag, only seen 3 Union Jacks. We are a country that used to be proud to be British but look around what's to be proud of, people can't wear poppies anymore in memory of the people who fought to protect our country.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
" He claimed that despite their lack of experience, ‘surly young men can turn into excited and motivated employees’. " Camo'd up and serving targets in Afghanistan, maybe.
I hope he's not on about me as I had my hoodie on yesterday as well as my coat - It was a bit on the cold side at Skegness, and I don't think he be over-keen on a pensioner (then again work till you drop comes to mind).
I employ 5 staff between the ages of 19 & 23. i employ young people that are polite, articulate, speak good English, have a pleasant personality and are willting to learn. They are offered college day release and I pay well above the minimum wage. I employ 2 Poles & 3 English. I am at present interviewing for another post and have interviewed 16 school leavers and only 2 of them are employable. Many come for an interview in jeans and trainers, all have O levels, but are not articulate and some of them have handwriting that looks like that of a 10 year old. Some were dressed smartly and looked good on paper but had little personality. I will interview 4 more on Monday. It's not just about qualifications, there is much more required than that and sadly many young people have few social skills and really don't know what good manners are.
Love that picture with that guy on the back of the PM. Very funny, and they want companies to employ people like him just because they are british.Ah! Ah! with that kind of attitude?????? Get real and stop talking nonsense and try to blame foreign workers. They are well behaved and want to work and that good for this country companies to have people who want to work..............
minus 35,000 = a drop of 0.1% down from a 12-year high of 8.4% to 8.3% a massive success!! Krug 1998 Clos du Mesnil anyone??? Grayling and his boss should be focusing on bringing industries back to the country who employ people.
Its a load of rubbish, they are still employing workers from the Eu first..My two grandsons goes for these so called jobs if there is any?..And who gets the employment first you guessed it the East Europeans...
"It's difficult enough employing anyone, let alone someone that does not really want to work. The welfare system is to blame, there should only be food stamps, NO MONEY, once people realised that they couldn't buy cigaretes and booze they would soon become employable again.- John, Warrington, 19/4/2012 17:32"----------------People like you are a big part of the problem and you're to thick to understand why.
Fancy having the title of 'Employment Minister' with figures like that to display, must be like being the 'Vegetarian Minister' in an abattoir.
The amount of people who I've had interview me this year who are incompetent for such a role is beggars belief. One interviewer couldn't stop playing with his iPhone when he interviewed me, I probably shouldn't have been surprised considering the fact that when I turned up, the woman who was meant to be interviewing me had taken the day off sick... If these are the type of people hiring our future workforce is it really any surprise that the young generation don't show their potential employers the respect they deserve?
Anybody who is going for a job should show that they are prepared to make some effort....ie dress smartly for the interview and ditch the hoodie. Jobs should go to the people who are most worthy of them and best qualified, either academically or in personal qualities.
It's difficult enough employing anyone, let alone someone that does not really want to work. The welfare system is to blame, there should only be food stamps, NO MONEY, once people realised that they couldn't buy cigaretes and booze they would soon become employable again.
Given the choice bertween an Eastern European, or any other overseas national, who had the intelligence to learn English and a British 'yoof' who can barely speak his mother tongue, which do you suspect an employer may hire?
Seems to everyone except the this government and the opposition That we are aware of what,s going on no more easy money No plan that works just. Diatribe and lies Stating the obvious !,, Time for UK. Spring!!!! And. U K. Summer!!!! Till they learn we know they know we know they don't give a TOSS!!!
Employs hoodie Go bust Becomes hoodie Go to hell!
What a pi**ock!
All you say is true, Mr Grayling, but why would anybody put themselves through that much trouble? Especially when staff are so expensive, thanks largely to national insurance and bureaucracy, and it's almost impossible to get rid of them again. Why take the risk?
When Ministers learn how to educate folk, maybe they'll become employable! Typical Minister of any party today; one who lies and cheats professionally...
Why would a person who values his business employ a grunting, semi-illiterate chav whose attitude is poor? The company where I work has advertised for an apprentice with a REAL opportunity to learn a trade. What do we get? Application forms so poorly written and full of grammatical and spelling mistakes you would think they were written by a 5 year old. Two lads invited for interview didn't even bother to show up. They didn't have the courtesy to even phone up to say they wouldn't be coming. The attitude of these people is appalling. My son is 18 and I would be deeply ashamed if he was like that.
Melanie Jane Russell, Caversham, READING, 19/4/2012 13:06 - I'd rather employ someone with poor grammar but a good attitude to life than someone who's only there because they've had their benefits cut and would spend the day staring out of the window. If they turned up.
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better. robert, saltash, 19/4/2012 11:00------- I see what you mean. You think they should spend over here, all the money they earn over here? That's one of the things that annoy me about Brits living in the sunshine and in receipt of benefits not just the state pension, but also the winter fuel allowance and spending it over there in the sunshine. What a waste of fuel allowance when there are people over here unable to afford their energy bills while that lot are sitting on a sun-bed!
Many posters on this forum are highly critical of the employability skills of young people. Their own comments, however, are often rambling and littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. Perhaps they should put their own house in order before judging other people. I certainly would not employ them to undertake administrative work. - Melanie Jane Russell, Caversham, READING, 19/4/2012 13:06..........Yes malinee wee will build a stong aconnomie on "administritive work". P.S I sometime get my spelling wrong, I live dangerously without spell checking. It's not how you spell, it's the point of view or comment that is important. I would rather live in a world of decent human beings than spelling facisists.
The biggest threat to stable and secure employment in this country is the one that is never addressed by any politician from any party, and that is the meteoric rise in job agencies. This allows firms to have a worker that they have no real responsibility for, and for the agencies to make very easy money. If my company continuously employed a self employed person we could be hit with a massive fine as they would be deemed to be fully and wholly employed by me. But put that under the umbrella of agency work and that same person could go to the same place of work for years. Get paid a pittance, have no rights to paid holidays, sick pay and everything thing else that comes with being employed by a company. These practices need to be audited and if it is found that a company has used agency workers to carry out a role within that company for more than 3 months and is not found to be covering for an absence they should be made to employ someone on a permanent basis.
If we're assuming that 'hoodies' are the young generation who stand around in groups on the streets, intimidate others, form gangs, commit crimes, take drugs, and generally have more interest in who's saying what on social network sites than going out and working then I have a suggestion for Mr Grayling: How about giving more help to those who have worked, want to work and have found themselves out of work (through no fault of their own) because incompetent 'politicians' like you don't know how to run the country? Most of us are fed up with the 'let's bow down to those who don't even want to help themselves' attitude. Start by only rewarding good morals and you might not have a problem with hoodies much longer.
Many posters on this forum are highly critical of the employability skills of young people. Their own comments, however, are often rambling and littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. Perhaps they should put their own house in order before judging other people. I certainly would not employ them to undertake administrative work.
It is not the task of employers to act as the government's social workers. Happen the likes of Chris Grayling actually ran a business instead of being paid an enormous salary, with extremely attractive non-accountable expenses, and speaking of things well beyond his simple ability to understand, he might realize that the "easy" solution is that when an applicant is experienced and willing to give his/her all, whilst so many of those HE feels should be given the chance find it difficult to even get out of bed ... rarely make it in on time, IF they come in at all, and don't give a toss about the job anyway... exactly where is there a choice? You want to train them, Chris? Start the training at school, and then open training centres... and don't tell me it's not the government's job... they already employ several hundred unemployables... and call it parliament!
Oh we have had two nights sleep since he was saying British Youngsters are thick idle and scroungers - has he had a change of mind in TWO days?
they will nick everything and bring down your already disgruntle business down to its knee. Mr get people who are currently out of work back into work rather concentrating on a lost generation who pointing guns at you.
Will the government & press please, please stop branding & labelling people by what they are wearing. My teenage son has been wearing hoodies since he was a toddler. They are a versatile piece of casual clothing, now demonised by gov, press & others. He wears smart uniform to school & smart clothes to weddings & funerals, but casually he loves to wear hoodies, chinos & jeans. He is respectful of others & removes his cap or hood when indoors. I am well aware that hoodies have been worn by some when committing crime, thus making it is difficult to identify them. My friend has a neighbour who regularly wears hoody, during the day, also when working on his garden & allotment, he 79 years old. So please stop all the demonising of hoodies.
'Hire a hoodie': Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths'------------- So how many have been taken on at Tory Central Office?
The only time this lot of public school toffs are bothered about the unemployed figures is when an election is looming. Just the same as the last Tory 18years government of mass unemployment!
Why is cameron not working for his supposed EMPLOYER, the PEOPLE. SACK HIM.
The unemploment figures are down because it is harder to claim now , how many people are unemployed but not claiming any benefits , pure spin by the nasty party.
I like the picture highlighting the cast system. If the babies were swapped at birth it would be cameron wearing the hood.
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better. - robert, saltash, 19/4/2012 11:00------ I think this is what you call redistribution of wealth from the workers of one country to the poorer people of another which gives their economy a boost with the influx of what should have been your money / wages.
- Charlie W, gloucestershire, 19/4/2012 9:46 "The tories, don't want to fix it because they represent the employer class." Some good comments Charlie, but that one is totally wrong. It's the Tories who've been fighting against the entrenched Left leaning 
Until the average wage in Eastern Europe rises above approx £42 per week this problem will not be reduced. Employers just love this unlimited supply of cheap labour and foreign workers are more than happy to be exploited. Lets face it if someone offered me a job in Poland to sweep a factory floor at £2000 per week I would give it consideration!
If I wanted to go out of business, yes.
If someone wearing jeans and trainers walked into my place of business and asked for a job I would laugh at them. This is the most absurd statement I've ever heard. Why would a business employ someone who is more than likely going to be a liability over someone who is experienced and much more trustworthy? UK Teenagers are a disgrace with absolutely no work ethic. Look at the strikes when tuition fees went up, they expect others to pay for their lifestyles and think the world owes them a living. Bring back national service, that should sort them out!
Looking at the youth of today their attitude to everyone around them who in their right mind would trust them, i would not give them the time of day.
Stop paying ludicrous subsidies to companies to employ who they like. Because the government will go to extraordinary lengths to pay for a foreign company to come here, you would expect that the company would take on some long term unemployed but the opposite is the case. The government is discriminating against the long term unemployed.
You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can give a youngster a job, but you can't make them work. Unfortunately, more immigrants are prepared to give a good day's work for a day's pay than a good many British youngsters. Before I am accused of being anti-British youth, I am not saying ALL, but a high proportion.
fiddling the unemployment figures. now where have i seen that before? oh yes,last time we had a tory govmnt!
There are plenty of young people who aren't hoodies, who deserve a decent job. Indeed there are plenty of British people of all ages who could do excellent work if companies would bother to employ them. The company I worked for destroyed itself by employing East Europeans (literally - their lack of knowledge and lack of interest lost us so many customers that all our jobs went). Employing East Europeans and denigrating our own people became a fashion in British business, and it's time this stupidity ended. British companies need to get a grip on reality, and also take some responsibility for the economy of this country. It's in their own interests to do that, anyway.
What a idiot employers should employ who they want to,let the hoodies work in his house . jon cheam
Re the picture with the "PM" and "hoodie", at least the hoodie is a honest representation of himself.
How many MPs i wonder on ALL sdes of the house employ or have employed non british child minders drivers, cleaners, gardeners, cooks, painters, plumbers, security ,need i go on I wonder just how many of my right honrable gentlemen have or do???????? ukip voter
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better.
This whole thing is degrading to people who wear hoodies, I am currently wearing a hooded garment and to this day I have never pulled a face and pointed an imaginary gun at the prime minister... At the same time x
Myth of the day no one form the East wears a hoodie or speaks pigeon English, Myth of the week, everyone from the East comes here to work. And Myth of the year, we are enriched as Nation etc etc. LetÂ’s see the figues showing how much we pay in handouts to our friends from the East, letÂ’s have real facts please.
Why should the British be given priority in Britain, oh yes I remember now – BECAUSE ITS THEIR BLOODY COUNTRY
Employers who at the moment employ eu workers won't be having an epiphany after this request from this fool, they will continue to do what they think is best for their own ends, not the country's, change needs to come from our catatonic politicians, I won't hold my breath.
I would guess - and it's only my guess - that Mr Grayling said to hire a British youth and someone at the DM, with a nice cushy job, decided to amend that to "Hire a Hoodie."
There are no quick fixes for this because it has been building up over a number of year with, at least, three basic problems: 1. The virtual destruction of our education system by political zealots have produced generations of young people who are just not attractive to employers. 2. The dismantling of our manufacturing base means there is no real prospect of jobs for the type of people who used to make up the old blue collar workers. 3. The relentless build up of the welfare state to a point where there is an obvious benefits culture that compounds the other two problems. The tories, don't want to fix it because they represent the employer class. The socialists, who have been the worst traitors to the working classes ever, don't want to fix it because they hope that the problem will add to their support base and keep them in the game. The lib/dems are are interested only in power at any price and consequently can/should be ignored. Only thing left to do is vote UKIP.
As Pugh's brilliant cartoon illustrates perfectly, it is total nonsense to brand all British unemployed as recalcitrant hoodies. No Government can simultaneously believe in the free-market, and express a desire that the British should be given priority for jobs, without looking either hypocritical or stupid.
Companies say that they have to employ 'experienced' people so that incomers get jobs and young Brits dont. So (a) How do the countries from where they come get THEIR experienced staff and (b) How did our businesses and industries manage before this new and wholely artificial situation arose. Well historically companies (then mostly British owned and staffed) reflected the national interest and took young school leavers into employment whilst providing funding and time to let the young learn on the job and become reliable and experienced employees. Now these same companies want ready made employees off the shelf and have no regard from where they come. Although we are all subject to the same EU laws it is clear that our closest neighbours like France and Germany still rightly give preference to their nationals in this matter amongst others.
The main problem is minimum wage and cash in hand.
Can you get the attribution of the "Hug A Hoodie" quote correct please? When David Cameron, in a speech touching on problem youngsters, referred to the fact that all too many of our ferral youngsters lack real love from parents etc in their lives, then Labour Minister, Vernon Croaker, responded with "Haw haw haw! He wants us to Hug A Hoodie!" Given the fact that a substantial amount of the problems with ferral young people today were exacerbated, if not actually triggered by Left wing policies, it is Croaker who should be mocked for the statement.
'Grayling' Sounds like the names of some deep water species that knows nothing about life on the surface, Mmm? I think I will leave it at that!
Our education system has a lot to answer for if it is producing those who are unfit for work or unwillingh to take jobs. As for employing East Europeans we should leave the E C so that the flow of such workers is cut off - we do not have the housing nor the infrastructure to cater for migrant workers from Europe or anywhere else.
Businesses are not run to give chances, they are there to make a profit against all odds. Nobody has a right to a job, and no employer need give anyone a job. You earn the right to work by being the most suitable for any vacant position, many things are taken into consideration, qualifications, experience, attitude, character, ability to learn new skills all have to be assessed because its so difficult to sack anybody once they are set on they have to many rights and all the time play the rights game forgetting all about the responsibility game. The young come looking for work they can barely read or write, attend an interview looking like they have just got out of bed, how can you teach people like this or how can they learn if they don,t have any numeracy or literacy skills. To me it says in school you didn,t want to learn, what will be different if you where to work for me, The teachers do their best but if these people don,t want to learn,..... Chickens are now coming home to roost
Of course we have high unemployment - and it's here to stay as long as the Government continues to encourage women to have cildren through financial incentives. When will politicians understand WE DO NOT NEED TO GROW THE POPULATION! There are no labour intensive industries about any more - not like in the 1940's when having children benefits were introduced. Technology has overtaken the need for vast numbers of people tpo produce and provide services. Unemployment will stay on the agenda for ever unless politicians see sense. Bobby, Leicester
Lies ,Damn Lies and .................TORY GOVERNMENT STATISTICS ?!!!!!
This man is so out of touch. What a trite comment "hire a hoodie" is. If you people out there don't vote for change- ukip- you have to be out of your tiny minds.
How about if these hoodies ditched their "cool and streetwise" clothing when turning up for an interview and made an effort to look reasonably smart and presentable instead? As one should when going for a job interview. Creates a positive first impression and shows seriousness on the part of the candidate.
The Grayling version of a job advert - Wanted young people, Hoodie's preferred, foreigners need not apply - Out of touch? off his tiny mind more like it.
Employers hire the best candidates for the job. Its as simple as that. It's funny that most of people (from politicians to many DM keyboard readers/experts) advising employers who they should or shouldn't hire, haven't got a clue about running a business and employing people.
Wanted businesses that want to go bankrupt, Simply call your local MP for more details.
Typical Tory ,COMPLEEEEETLY out of touch with real life
FALSE FIGURES
Businesses will hire whoever will do the work for the least amount of money. Polish and other Eastern European countries have a lower standard of living and wages in their home country and they won't pay UK rip off prices, so guess who that will be.
Charles, London. You must be able to get some form of work? Even if you volunteer it would get you working. How about working in a shop, bar, local newsagents? Anything to get out of the benefits system.
If that was my boy I'd smack him six ways from Sunday!
With one third of the unemployed being 18 to 24 year olds I wonder if this group are over or under represented in Mr Grayling's own department - I suspect there are very few youngsters in Westminster and he would not know the answer if asked. Out of touch, badly advised and no understanding of the damage being done to the future of our country but on the other hand - the rhetoric factory has never been so productive!
That's the least they can do as Cameron hugs them.
Idiot.
The figures cover the pre and post Christmas periods when temporary jobs are around so no lasting comfort there. Asking company's to hire one group in preference to another openly encourages discrimination which is illegal under our own laws and where will that lead to? Don't get me wrong I want every bit of help for our 'desperate to work' young people but the divisive nature, policy's and language of this administration is not helping.
Martian/Mars-I see you are in the right place!
bringing it down, Hampshire , 19/4/2012 03:25=== you are spot on with this poor attitude and lazy way of speaking ...the idea that you can be 15 forever has got to be stopped ...secondly ...isnt this guy the same one who a couple of days ago said that all kids were lazy ? and thats why they were unemployable ???? thirdly , we shouldnt tar all the youths with the same bursh , unfortunately it gets harder to seperate the wheat from the chaff BUT its worth it .... we can not go on with the attitude that we can import skills we have to give them a chance ...i suggested a few years ago trade schools which took kids from 14 with three days pratcial and skills based education and two days maths english and a science .... we treat them like employed people they clock in and out and are penalised for missed days or lateness ( trips extra will not be avaliable) we give them the basic skills , find out iof they enjoy the trade and which one ..then employers have someone ready and aware
Hug a Hoodie? Hire a Hoodie? What on earth is this ridiculous government ON? Are they taking Silly Pills? Delusion Pills, Out of Touch Pills?, I'm from the Planet Gaga Pills? Hey, here's a crazy idea Cons and LIMPdems...try coming in to the REAL world where REAL people with REAL problems live. Try it, go on just TRY it. You'd last 2 minutes before you fled back into your little fluffy pink cushioned lives. Shame on you all in government. I joined UKIP yesterday. Something I thought I'd NEVER do. I was so fed up with talking about it, that I actually did the deed. Roll on the next election. Cons will be out, Labour (because of Millie) will be in 2nd place and the FIBdems will be wiped off the political map for EVER.
Its very sad that our youth seem to be constantly vilified by the press and a minority of the public. Yes I fully accept that we do have problems, as in past generations we always have had. Chris Grayling is in actual fact 'correct'. We should give our own young people a chance simply because there are very very many that are well deserving and hard working. My son and his friends are currently studying for their A-levels and working very hard. We have got to stop this persistent 'stigmatisation' of our young people. I also fully believe that 'local' people should have the opportunity to take the 'local' job before the immigrant if they are fitting, capable, qualified for the role and willing. For info. I have a couple of jackets that have fitted 'hoods'................does this make me a 'hoodie'? I am 50 years old and in the current weather I have made full use of my 'hoodie'.
My son was made redundant just before Christmas and despite applying for hundreds of jobs has not managed to get one yet. He has worked all his llife from his first paper round at 13 and feels at 35 he is on the scrapheap. He has started doing voluntary work just to be doing something instead of sitting at home so that he instills in his children the need to work. He is a single parent and does not want his children to think it is a good thing to be unemployed, He would give his right arm for a job.
Give me a Slovakian, Lithuanian, Pole any day ! Their work ethic is far superior to any British hoodies - I wouldn't waste my time - I have lost all faith in providing jobs to British hoodies ! They are constantly late, use sickness as annual leave, frequently leave work early, drink too much tea, and at weekends don't turn up for work due to being out on the town the previous night with fellow hoodies - who also don't turn up for work! I can't afford to give jobs to these wasters - they dont know how to work!
I am unemployed and have been so for NINE years.....I have tried so many times and for so many different types of work....I am now classed as " over qualified" and "over experienced"..I cant even get a Job serving a big Mac! I feel as if I have been swept under the carpet and forgotten. Considering the huge number of people in similar circumstances its no wonder so many of us suffer from acute depression.
The true unemployment figures are also masked by the additional unemployed who can't claim anything because they have a spouse or partner who works - I know several people in this camp, all in their 30's and 40's, so how many more hidden unemployed are there?
This hire a hoodie is nice and all but what about the generation currently in our late 20's? We faced the exact same problems as the youth now, when we were 18, no one would give us a chance either. Guess what? We still aren't given a chance, so are we the lost generation then? Too old to get funding for an apprenticeship and too young to have even gained any experience in anything. Oh but wait, i forgot, going by the usual comments we're supposed to move to another part of the country where their is work or emigrate, well unlike eastern europeans we havent got anyone to pay for our travel or for anywhere to live so cant move. Passport costs nearly £100 so cant afford that either and what experience are we supposed to provide? Just open a dignitas clinic in the UK and lets be done with it because lets face it what hope is their.
How does a lunatic like this man ever get to the position he has coming out with comments like this. If this is the calibre of politician that is supposed to get the country back on it,s feet then the UK really is finished.
From a man who knows all there is to know about work !
Here is a story from an old time prison officer about habitual offenders. The Duck & The Scorpion The Duck & the Scorpion where at one side of the lake when the Scorpion says to the Duck I could do with a lift to the other side, could I jump on your back? The Duck says but you will string me and we will both drown... So they agree and set off half way across the Scorpion stings the Duck to which he says 'Why did you do that you promised'. The Scorpion simply stated 'Its in my nature'.
Can't really think of a good comment about "hiring a hoodie", but if I could the sentence would include words like: scorn, ridicule, contempt, disbelief, deceit, distrust and it would end with 'absolutely no way'.
I was in a supermarket queue earlier today and there were 3 yoofs loitering at the side of the queue only one of them was gonna buy something I heard him say he'd just got out of a cell at the local police station "I thought dey wuz gonna charge me init" then one of the others said I'm glad you got out cuz I wanted someone to blaze wiv" ie go and smoke some cannabis together, it's this attitude and way of talking as if they're from some inner London ghetto that keeps them unemployable, most companies these days have a mandatory medical before you start and by "blazin da herb init" there not going to be passing any drug test prior to gaining employment. IMO there should be drug screening at the job centre 1 so that people sent for interviews are not a health and safety risk 2 so that we can get to the root cause of a number of long term unemployed peoples inability to find and keep employment. 3 so that the taxpayer isn't financing the next "BLAZE INIT"
I know people won't believe it , but in the 50's and 60's , even the bluntest knife in the drawer , had the expectation of a job . How things have changed , and not for the better !!
Somewhere along the line , education in the UK seemed to only prepare people to go onto to Uni . It needs a complete rethink where those that shouldn't be going to Uni are given an education that prepares them for the work force . Can't see it happening though - there appears to be little will to do this .
I was in a supermarket queue earlier today and there were 3 yoofs loitering at the side of the queue only one of them was gonna buy something I heard him say he'd just got out of a cell at the local police station "I thought dey wuz gonna charge me init" then one of the others said I'm glad you got out cuz I wanted someone to blaze wiv" ie go and smoke some cannabis together, it's this attitude and way of talking as if they're from some inner London ghetto that keeps them unemployable, most companies these days have a mandatory medical before you start and by "blazin da herb init" there not going to be passing any drug test prior to gaining employment. IMO there should be drug screening at the job centre 1 so that people sent for interviews are not a health and safety risk 2 so that we can get to the root cause of a number of long term unemployed peoples inability to find and keep employment. 3 so that the taxpayer isn't financing the next "BLAZE INIT"
No wonder this country is in the state it is. 'Hug a hoodie'. says it all.
This is rubbish unemployment down? More like the opposite there are more people unemployed then last year. If this was the case I would be seeing more people having jobs now. I have a friend who has been looking for a bit of work for the last year and cannot find a thing and the job center does not help at all. I went there with her one time and the woman was so rude she wrote how much jobs she looked for that week and it was more than 15 yet this adviser started threatening to cancel her claim just because she never gave CV's into shops and just applied online for them which is what most shops tell you to do now, then she said she has to come in all the time to "keep a eye" on her. They do not help people find jobs all they do is bully and threaten people knowing they have the power to stop people from getting there money and that is one of the reason why the unemployment rate is quite high. They should be helping people by ringing companies and setting up interviews for people.
Excuse me gentlemen but Cumbria IS the NORTH WEST. It is only lumped in with the Geordies to hide the true abysmal employment and other statistics. though the Scoucers and the Manc's may not like this they are NOT northerners they are MIDLANDERS What we need in our area is an MP who is active in representing the area and not himself within his party.
The Cameron's nanny is from Eastern Europe , I understand.
Sorry but I find Cameron's 'Hire a hoodie' comment quite offensive. Its comments like that why employers dont want to employ young people like me because he's basically suggesting that most young people are thugs and bullies when its not the case. Am 19 and black and I dont go around wearing my pants to my butt or wearing hoodies because am in a gang. I work hard and am looking for a job at the moment so I can earn a living because unlike some I know who are lazy and just want free money without working.
Am fed up of people saying people who are unemployed are lazy yes I agree some of them are and just want to live on benefits but others are not and really want to work. I am 21 and currently unemployed and I have been in and out of work for the last year this is because all the jobs I could find are temporary and when the contract finishes am back to where I started again. I saved up a lot of money from the temporary jobs so I wouldn't have to be on JSA when they finished but because I still haven't found a job since Christmas which was when I had my last job my savings where running low and my mum was struggling with the bills so I had no choice but to sign on. I absolutely hate the job center and hate going there because I know I could do so much better but I just cant find any work out there. Ive applied for so many places but no response from any am still looking everyday because I want to get off that JS as soon as possible. I am not lazy and actually prefer working for my money.
Did Cameron hug the 'Hoodie' behind him, fingers cocked in the sign of a gun, expletives coming from his mouth and other hand down his pants? Yeah good luck with hiring THAT....
What an awful lot of Internet rage.I Liive in Cheshire, I was born in Bradford - I love London - it's only individuals that's create hostility. Doesn't matter if you are rich, poor, living in the right post code, moving on up or on your way down. Post codes are not responsible for failure. Anyone can move where they want to and achieve what they want, if you do not make it the buck stops with you. This doesn't mean everyone will be top executives - you should always strive to be the best and make a career out of what you enjoy and what you are good at. My Dad is sheet Metal fabricator and he has Reached the top of his field I am so proud of that. I am a Company Director - doesn't make me better, just different.
tried two youngsters in my buisness and they stole from the company,never again
If we want our country to improve we need employers to hire our British youth. Otherwise what future do they have and what future will our country have. Imagine getting ready to leave school and to be thinking,' nobody will want to employ me because I was born here'. That's just crazy.
One thing Labour has done to get back into power is to stop Ed Balls talking ... pity they can not do the same to Chris Grayling. All activists are all on Green Light for everything that doesn't really matter since the biggest and most deliberate crime in this country is Ageism and that drops from Politicians like dandruff or it did from Labour like expenses. People are deliberately forced out of work more in this country than any other under the regime started by Tony Blair and Co. Hundreds of thousands of non-EU people brought in because the Independent IT guys gave Tony Blair a bloody nose and once you cross Tony who never stops throwing a tantrum unless you have something on him. All these attacks on people in this country are from Labour and the Labour lookalikes ... Liberals to you.
If they stopped wearing the hoodies n wire something more for an interview they would most likely would be given a job
If that's what he "thinks" then he's out of touch. Eastern Europeans are more skilled and less bothersome to employ than most "youth" in jobs such as construction, joinery and carpentry. There is also the issue that most of these so called "youth" view too many jobs as "below" them. It's why some employers have no option but to go for illegal or European labor. The best example is farm yard workers and farmers assistants - most are Eastern European because they look at it as pay rather than a job.
All these comments about "lazy youths", I work with two men in their thirties and fifties who are absolutely bone idle. They take a day off with so much as a sneeze, they go out for a fag every 5 minutes and if they miss the bus they don't get a taxi, they go home and don't even bother calling. I'm 21, I'm the longest working person at the company and I have yet to take a day off sick. I had a bad cold last week but because I wasn't bed ridden I came in and did what I could. I do what I'm asked. Comments about young people being lazy infuriate me when middle aged adults I've worked with are WORSE. They think the world owes them something and therefore they don't have to work, just turn up (or not turn up in my case). This demonising of young people has to stop, it's not doing anyone any favours.
Yes, I'd love to hire the hoodie-wearing genitals-caressing-in-public murder-by-pistol-simulating thug in the photo...
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 zzzz...zzzzz....zzzz...yawn yawn yawn - Felicity, Highgate, London, 18/4/2012 23:26 Your witty, ever thought of being comedienne ? You'd just need to stand there, honest.
I thought all people were created equal regardless of where one comes from. Are we moving backwards instead of progressing?
Cameron says, 'Hug a Hoodie' Hoodie says, 'Let's riot.....' 'Muhaha!'
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 another sad old git who doesn't bother to wash his hands after visiting the toilet no doubt! - Charles, Westminster, London, 18/4/2012 23:28 You wash your hands in the toilet, yuck your weird !! Explains the smell though.
Why doesnt he employ one to be his skivvy if he's that bothard about the unemployment rates, Saying that he's got a nerve after saying that youth in this country havn't got the get up & go like the Europeans have, or has he forgot what he said already
British jobs for British workers!!!!
Depends on what job really in my role you need at least a degree in the relevant subject, plus a portfolio to show you can do what you say you can. And even then that's for a trainee position on peanuts. Stuck at this industry for over a decade now and loving it, specially the pay rises and bonuses.
I dunno if i'm allowed to say this but i'd much rather be served in a shop by a european rather than a hoodie-wearing youth Foreingers have more manners... - Jay, London, 18/4/2012 23:26 - I had to smile at this Jay, you should come to the West Mids, the foreigners here also wear hoodies, they sure know how to blend in..... all very confusing..........until they open there mouths and you can't understand them. Hooded foreigners eh? What ever next?!
Give these jobs to people from India who are very hard working and are not expensive, Britain must give more visas for Indian people to help them work in Britain - Martaka, Kerala, India, 18/4/2012 22:37 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. I just spent an incomprehensible hour and a half trying to talk you a call center based in India. The accents were so thick you could cut them with a knife. I finally gave up and said "thanks, bye". My problem isn't fixed and I had to give people in some other country my personal information. Let India hire its own people. Bring the jobs back here from overseas, cut off the benefits checks and tell them to work or starve. I will await the red arrows.
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 another sad old git who doesn't bother to wash his hands after visiting the toilet no doubt!
every one needs jobs the gov must stop foreign students working they came here to learn not work also make European workers pass a hard English test this will provide thousands of job opportunity and make it easier to find a job
I dunno if i'm allowed to say this but i'd much rather be served in a shop by a european rather than a hoodie-wearing youth Foreingers have more manners...
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 zzzz...zzzzz....zzzz...yawn yawn yawn
You don't need to employ hoodies or Eastern Europeans if you want to save a few bob. You can just hire only women who apparently get paid less than men. Be financial suicide for any company not to do so.
I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I doubt whether the Brits can spell it. - I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire, 18/4/2012 21:25 But you don't because you're a sad poor old bitter individual. Keep saving for that tin of baked beans.
I needed new windows for my house and contacted many english companies in the London area. None of these companies were interested to get the job! I was more than happy to find this very nice and helpful parkistani guy who installed high quality windows made in Germany. The polish builders were very professional and made a brilliant job! Now I need tailor made blinds.. And the nightmare starts again... No one (incl. Paul Simon or UK Blinds) is interested in my order. I am going to order them in Germany...
Pay people not to work. Make it impossible for schools to teach anything useful. Allow unlimited immigration. Expect someone else to make that all better. Saves all that tedious business of fixing the country. Like cutting benefits, imposing standards of discipline, setting up a curriculum that makes sense, stopping immigration, etc.
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty.
I work in an inner city London Borough which offers a trainee programme for young people and it is a great sucess. At the moment we have two young people in the office; they are hard working, reliable and punctual. So I say given the young people a chane you might actually be pleasantly surprised!!!
I employ around 35 people in the uk 28 of them eastern European... I have tried over the last 6/7 years to find a balance between British workers and Europeans they eastern Europeans have worked out so much better for me work ethic time keeping the works,so much so ,that if I had to rely on British workers only ,I would not have a business I would not hit my production targets due to the fact that the youth of our society want everything for nothing minimal work rate terrible reliability and attitude almost as if they are doing you a favour when they do turn up...it all comes down to discipline our lot just don't have it they do!!!and they are better for it...nothing would please me more than having all British staff but I don't see that happening unless there is massive reform on education policing and benefits so the schools are actually producing employable people nor work shy free loaders
When the unemployed numbers rose by millions under Thatcher, a lot were moved to Incapacity Benefit to hide the problem. Sadly, it resulted in a generation of people who have never worked except for some cash in hand jobs on the side. Now we reap what Thatcher sowed in the name of popularity. Many thousands of young people who have never seen a parent work, it is NOT the fault of the present younger generation. The answer lies in the period 1979 to 1997.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire....I pay a fair whack, like all employers are obliged to do by law. But the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving, work-shy Brits aren't even worth the minimum wage - when they can be bothered to get out
some of the peoples comments on this article are thick,nasty, eroneous, callous and lies. the majority of people unemployed are desperate to work and calling them all lazy is pathectic lies. on the local news people have been applying for a number of jobs but havent been successful. these young people dont want to live on a paltry £56 a week benefit. dozens of people are applying for every job vacancy available. people attacking the unemployed show some consideration and look at the facts. your comments could come back to haunt you the future is bleak.
Why doesn't hire one himself. Don't put a good thing past yourself
Perhaps if the unelected government tried making driving a real professional career then we could have better employment all over the UK and a sustainable future rather than the potential shortage issues we currentlt face. A career for the younger people and an acheiveable future, who would have thought it? not this lot.
Hire a hoodie? What about those who go to school, complete a levels and btecs, have a degree and a masters and extensive work 'experience' and are still unemployed... Umm that's a thought... Good luck to all those job hunting. Like me! The hard work will pay off in the end!
Give these jobs to people from India who are very hard working and are not expensive, Britain must give more visas for Indian people to help them work in Britain
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire....I pay a fair whack, like all employers are obliged to do by law. But the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving, work-shy Brits aren't even worth the minimum wage - when they can be bothered to get out
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year
Why would anyone want to live up north? They're all so poor and take too many benefits from Londoners
Wonder if Grayling would employ one around his home?
Why not just stop letting foreign workers in? Oh, I forgot, we're not allowed to control our own borders.
Look at that hoodie behind Cameron in that picture, would you want to hire that !!!
Unfortunately with Europe's unemployed growing if Britain improves it's lot ;we will have a flood of Spanish. Portuguese and Italians crowding out the local youth in the job market. We need to leave the EU and look after those already hear. Otherwise the people here will remain on the dole as the jobs go to foreign workers. Grayling knows he is on a hiding to no where and he can't do a thing about it. Why! because we aren't in charge of our own destiny and we don't make many decisions. The EU decides for us...
I wish they would stop linking hoodies with young people, I mean there are only a tiny amount of thugs (and wear hoodies) in comparison to those that are not thugs and also wear hoodies.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I
Keeping it classy in the second picture with the hand in the pants and the other doing the finger...
If you add up all the perks Eastern Europeans get from us, they are not such a good deal, we are frebee UK to them. GET OUT OF EU, CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND EMPLOY OUR OWN PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracking idea
a lot of these Eastern European workers are not experience should seen mess they did of kitchen and bathroom here. Also not all young people are hoodies who are lazy.
One thing that I will recommend to Grayling and the Government is to restructure the entry to employment system for all and thus bring back the nations work ethic. I read about the apprenticeship system in Germany which works for all classes of the unemployed. Whereas we worry about our state of class position in the work place with graduates beliving they don't deserve menial jobs and should have graduate positions and school leavers looking for local jobs starting from the bottom German youths go onto a universalsal apprenticeship system compatible for both graduates and school leavers. It's even open to school drop outs like hoddies and chavs thus eliminating youth unemployment problems and the benefits over there are restricted to just 18 months at a time.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I
Simple solution, pay more money, the minimum wage is not going to excite anyone, why work anyway when the theives in power take it all away from you again.
Note May 3 2012 is `Terminate a Tory` day Change then will happen
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43 Stalin! We all thought you were dead! Hey you'll like it here, your mates are running the country.... - Tom, Middlesbrough, UK, 18/4/2012 20:37
I have no opinion on this.
Hire a hoodie and find your stock gone within a week .
Cameron and his pathetic government are three things, and three things alone; WEAK, WEAK, WEAK!!!
What a load of rubbish come to Rochdale and you will see why?
I have my own successful plumbing company and to get where I am now, I spent 7 years doing evening classes from the age of 17 and by 24 I managed to get in the trade and earn a goo wedge. 15 years on I went back to college and learnt business management to then start me own firm. Why should I hand over all my hard earned knowledge to a hoodie who already things the world homes him or her a favour??? Send them back into education and make them do it the hard way like the rest of us!
I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I doubt whether the Brits can spell it.
It is discriminating to employ a British person over a EU citizen (may he be eastern European) only because of his nationality.
The British economy even before the recession was never big enough to find jobs for hundreds of thousands of immigrants as well as our own people. Remember the New Liebour lie only 13,000 would come they knew it was a lie. VOTE UKIP the party that will put Britain and the British First..
Another Government lie! - Carol Taylor, Plymouth, 18/4/2012 19:59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ONS and the statistics it generates are independent of the government. Labour passed the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 to effect this.
Check out David Ickes website and Alex Jones (info wars), they seem to have a more accurate take on what is going on. - Shelley, Norfolk, 18/4/2012 19:17 **** Oh yes, let's ask David Icke the self proclaimed Son of God descended from reptilians. He really will be able to give us a truly accurate take. Do you really have a vote, Shelley? Do you really think that's a good idea?
Having had candidates turn up for job interviews in hoodies I am afraid they have totally failed the first initiative test. For they have no longer been considered for any post I wanted to fill. If we went into our banks and behind the desk was a hoodie I think no one would hand over any money or details simply because there are codes of presentation that we expect from people. So Mr Grayling you appear out of touch like Mrs May and the empty suit, it is time ALL their benefits are stopped unless they undertake structured further educetion and training. (what a plonker)
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU! - Charlie Farley, Paderborn. Germany., 18/4/2012 10:55<<<<<<<<<<<<< I personally know 128,992,710 unemployed people.
The main difference between your average hoodie and your average East/Central European, is that the person from Continental Europe can actually speak in English.
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world. - Cedric Shufflewick, Leeds, 18/4/2012 20:00>>>WAKE UP Cedric! Grayling is trying to sound sympathetic to the plight of the working class, in truth he could not give a toss about anyone, he is just trying to save his own skin.
Maybe a simple answer would be if the goverment gave insentives to small businesses to employ british unemployed youths. - susan, west cheshire, 18/4/2012 ---------------------------- There's a new initiative where employers can claim some of the cost of employing 18 - 24 yr olds after 6 months of employing them, very small businesses can claim some of the money back after 8 weeks, it's by no means all of the salary but it may be an incentive. The problem is that it's not been advertised.
Hire a Hoodie? Use the upcoming elections to Terminate a Tory. Then we just might get some action on the jobs front instead of these ridiculous platitudes.
No one should present themselves as 'a hoodie' when looking for employment. If the last 'government' had not filled the country with outsiders, employers would be more inclined (or forced) to offer jobs and training to British youth. This country has very, very serious problems with its young: non-parenting at home, no discipline at home or at school or in society, no moral or civic understanding, ill-educated, foul-mouthed ............ who on earth would rather not employ a polite, respectful, hardworking, God-fearing Eastern European!!!
People frequently comment on this forum that they find that the entire staff of a shop or a hotel will be from abroad .These vacancies will not be advertised in jobcentres,staff will have been supplied by an agency who specialises in recruiting from overseas.Until we curb this activity and put paid to the myth that British workers are lazy and badly educated then our own people will be permanently consigned to the unemployment ranks
why would you hire a thuggish, rude, late, poor punctuality, smelly hoody thus instead of a very quiet, efficient, respectable and relatively cheap european?
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world. - Cedric Shufflewick, Leeds, 18/4/2012 20:00>>>>>Grayling is not speaking up for the working class, after leaving them without job prospects, forcing them onto workfare, sanctioning their benefits or cutting them altogether, he is cacking himself in case they decide to kick off, don't fall for his lies and spin he is only trying to save his own skin. The pathetic waste of space should be sacked immediately.
Another Government lie! What about the thousands that have been put onto the Youth Contract and the Works Programme, they have been taken off the unemployment lists, and will be unable to claim unemployment once they have finished the Courses. - Carol Taylor, Plymouth, 18/4/2012 19:59 >>>>>>>> Carol - just lets clarify some details you don't seem to get. The long term unemployed ARE on the work programmeso are included in the figures (That's WORK not workS), they are not removed from the numbers. And the youth contract is an initiative where employers can claim some financial help employing a person who is 1. long term unemployed, 2. on the work programme, and 3.aged 18-24, it can only be claimed after the person has been employed for 6 months plus then the company can claim the financial help. - That said - I do believe there are some highly skilled people who are long term unemployed and are genuinely trying to find work - obviously there are always people who aren't
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43 Stalin! We all thought you were dead! Hey you'll like it here, your mates are running the country....
Both my children, aged 20 & 30 work. The 30 year old, despite having paid taxes since she was 17, never claims benefits. If she is out of work, then she takes whatever job is going even if wages are lousy.The habitually unemployed need to get out of their bed and out of their celeb mode and work.
I struggle with some of these employment issues - we are told there are no jobs but the eastern European and other immigrants seem to find a job ok, mostly through agencies who cream them. whilst the locals can’t find a job – there are job but you have to work hard to hunt them down – my son has had to do this but now at last he has got there through sheer determination and in the face of these agencies who don’t actually want to land anybody in a permanent job as this removes there source of income
Stop giving benefits to the unemployed and give the money to the employers or local councils instead so they can hand it over in wages. No difference in the cost. Make them accountable and provide evidence of who they employ with the money they are given. There are a lot of jobs which could be created, and people would actually have to work for their money. It would help businesses expand and keep our streets clean. There are endless places where more staff would improve the situation all round. Better still, use it to provide apprenticeships.
One of the major problems is that many large firms, particularly in the construction sector, outsource their recruitment and often payroll functions to agencies, who will round up a workforce from the cheapest sources, usually Eastern European. British tradesmen, no matter how well qualified, do not get a look in. This is one of the main reasons why there are so many long-term unemployed.
Now then fine young hoodie what qualifications have you got.Borry us a Rizla mate and a bit of baccy for a burn and a crisis or payday loan if you can manage it.
Perhaps the public sector can aford to employ deadbeats but the private sector has to employ capable people. That's a luxury the public sector has indulged too long and the private sector cant afford. Politicians can understand it as they are part of the public sector gravy train paid for by a private sector they dont understand.
Is this politician for real.....He is taking the proverbial p.........This really shows how out of touch this government are....Morons..
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43-------------And just how much property does an unemployed teenager who is living with his parents own? What a stupid comment.
Who says all young British unemployed are hoodies? Talking crap as usual.
Well today I went for an interview and was told 10 mins later I didn't get the job. I just feel like giving up now Ive been looking so much and so long for a bit of work and I just dont get anything and if I do its "sorry you have been unsuccessful". This is a lie unemployment has risen its worst its ever been. Am fed up of being on JSA its rubbish money and its horrible having to depend on benefits. What annoys me is that some of these people these companies are employing do not do the job properly and take advantage of what they have and someone like me and a lot of others who will appropriate the work cannot get anything. Am never given a chance to show myself and am only 21 so I think I should. The Job center is useless and horrible too if I wasn't looking for work myself I would end up being on that for a real long time. Am just hoping I get something soon because am fed up now.
I wouldnt go anywhere near our youths - eastern europeans work three times as hard as them, and turn up on time in the morning. The youth of today need to learn that money only comes after HARD WORK.
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world.
Another Government lie! What about the thousands that have been put onto the Youth Contract and the Works Programme, they have been taken off the unemployment lists, and will be unable to claim unemployment once they have finished the Courses.
You know what the Politicians have DESTROYED the ordinary mans way of life and now they are pontificating about what and how things should be....STUFF ALL THE THREE MAIN PARTIES THEY ARE COMPLICITE IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORKING MAN....
First sensible suggetsion I've heard for a long time. Now combine this with some meaningful discipline, training and properly financed apprenticeships with company incentives and you might just get our people re-engaged. Oh I forgot, big business likes cheap employees from eastern europe and asia. No commitment required. Also not surprising as we sell all our biggest businesses to foreign investors. C'mon get some protection in place for our people, the ones who voted you in!
"Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths instead of Eastern Europeans" . There are very few British people who would not say "British First" when it comes to jobs and all the rest but is the above statement , made by a government minister actually legal or are we getting our rights back from the EU ? Personally I believe in "displacement" in that any British citizen has not only first right to any job but also has the right to displace any non citizen and demand training if that is required. There should be a surcharge of 40% of the wages of any non British worker , paid by the employer , used to train our citizens and pay the unemployment money we have to pay them due to firms employing non citizens.
WHO believes these spin and waffle unemployment figures? There are currently in excess of FOUR MILLION unemployed in the UK. There are over ONE MILLION 16-24-year-olds on the unemployed scrapheap. Absolutely scandalous.
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead.
A smiling, willing, literate, numerate, enthusiastic, energetic Pole; or a surly, sneering, disaffected, disinterested, threatening, ill mannered, monosyllabic 'hoodie' from 'Sarf' London? Tough choice! innit like?
Maybe a simple answer would be if the goverment gave insentives to small businesses to employ british unemployed youths.
So only the British produce 'hoodies'? It appears we import them from overseas as well. But it shows the mind set of the British politician when referring to the youth of his own country.
Shouldn't it be 'Hug A Hoodie? or am I getting him mixed up with someone?
Has Grayling ever worked in the private sector either for himself or employed?. No. Another amateur pretending to know all.
''Hire a hoodie': Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths'--------------------- Hello, there must be an election coming up. The only time these public school toffs bother their little heads about all those on the scrap heap!
Well, yea why give all the jobs to ex motor rifle conscripts , time to do something for our own yobs?The`ll get the job done just need a bit of carrot and stick.
Dont mention the thousands who have been thrown off benefits lately under the new 12 months and you are out ESA rules . Chris Grayling didnt mention that bit and he thinks he has got away with it .
I heard on RT (freeview channel 85) that in the USA they entice companies to relocate to a different State by allowing companies to keep more of the money that would have paid to the Inland Revenue Service (IRS). So instead of job creation it is job relocation, with no actual new jobs being created. Yet the USA Government is able to declare a miraculous reduction in unemployment. I find it hard to believe that unemployment is going down in the UK. One only has to look at the number of boarded up shops. What do we produce? I noticed the other day that a box of paper clips I bought was manufactured in the UK, is there anything else? Money, to some extent, can be viewed as stored labour. If money does not circulate then no jobs can be created. We have been bank robbed by the bankers. Check out David Ickes website and Alex Jones (info wars), they seem to have a more accurate take on what is going on.
Wasting your vote on UKIP will just let Labour back in again to bankrupt the country. Devout Tory Voter, ......................................................................................................................... The only wasted votes are those for Labour or Conservative or Lberal, because all that will give us is more of the same, from the same inept tired old politicians. .......................................... If enough voters see the light at the May elections, then UKIP could shock those complacent lab/cons who think one or the other have a divine right to be in number ten! Or run councils.
Chris Grayling can't do basic arithmetic if he thinks youth unemployment has fallen,and why don't you show us the figures for kids that are stuck in demoralising low paid dead end jobs
Some common sense from a politician at last, perhaps ?
There's no need to tar everybody with the same brush just because they're wearing a hoodie doesn't mean they're a thug. Hoodies are nice and warm especially in cold weather. Bloody ridiculous!
" unemployment figures fall for the first time in a year " Due to people not signing on, because they know they're stuck?
'Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee'. You couldn't make it up.
The black hoodies would rather continue thieving and drinking/doing drugs. They have no interest in bettering themselves through education or honest employment. Sadly, this whole country will continue to decline as those who do work are forced to subsidize their career choice (government handouts).
So how many 'hoodies' has Chris Grayling's department hired in the last twelve month???
Positive discrimination has to be a way forward. Employers should be actively looking to train young British people and not taking gambles with dubiously educated eastern Europeans. Britain for the British - and not for the rest of the EU!
He's changed his tune somewhat from comments a few days ago denigrating British youngsters. Can't trust him!!!
Too much focus on youtn unemployment, they want companies to hire people between 18-24. What about those who fall outside that bracket? Where's the support for people who are trying to get work who struggling to find work from 25+. I've been unemployed for 3.5 years now, due to funding cuts my job of 8 years was taken from me and my only experience lies in a sector in which jobs are scarce. With the unemployment figures in Northern Ireland sitting like they are, it's next to impossible to land a position. There's a call for experience, which despite being 29, I can't get into anywhere to gain that experience that they want. At the same time, in my area alone, there are thousands out of work. Those thousands are applying for the same jobs as everyone else. My last application was amongst 5000 other applicants. Yet there's no government support because I'm not young enough. That is the problem we are facing at the moment. Yes youth unemployment is high but others are worse off.
Another minister asking people to break the law, according to the governments website concerning employment law: "Race discrimination: Wherever you were born, wherever your parents came from, whatever the colour of your skin, you have a right to be treated fairly.". He's clearing inciting employers to discriminate against people born in Eastern Europe and break the law. Isn't incitement itself illegal? If he wants them to do this he and his party should change the law first. What a bunch of jokes we have in government.
What this country of ours really wants, is a Political class that actually cares about the people that elected them into their MP jobs in the first place! The current crop are still tarred with what went on with the Expenses scandals and given the judgements that have been made by all three major Parties in the UK, the young, the unemployed, the disabled people of the UK, deserve better representation at Westminster! We are now ripe for a new Political Party to rise out of the 'Phoenix' of the Political ineptness and that DOES care about the people of the UK and actually does positive actions that make our nation a leader of countries and not a follower of other nations Political agendas!
What a pile of crap, I would always go for a hard working EU worker than some surly kid in a hoodie and I suspect this MP would too if he were paying their salary
No no no no no! Unemployment has not fallen. Long term unemployment is sky high. They're just shuffled off the figures - young, mortgage/rent payers, any age, old and sick, onto the disreputable books of the private companies such as A4E. They are turfed out onto these private firms books, therefore off the JSA figures for a few months to lessen the jobless total JSA figures, even though - to enable a fast JSA reclaim when this mandatory holding pen has finished, they're paid a 'training allowance' plus £1 JSA, which in total is the same as your usual JSA. The £1 JSA enables the 'job' centre to quickly put you back in the A4E etc cauldron after a few more weeks to get you off their books again. Why isn't this being reported and investigated?????
If this is the case, and the rise isnt due to seasonal job vacancies over Easter, then I really really hope that they start looking to our countries youth for employment, they need to see a brighter future, not the grim and bleak horizon that they have at the moment
I got suggestion. Why doesn't the government stop or restrict company inter companies transfers to workers the country actually needs. Easily reduce the unemployment figures by another 50000+. Additionally it would generate another 500 Million pounds in tax and national insurance. But the government doesn't care about UK workers, it only cares about overseas workers mainly from India.
We've always been at war with Eastasia!
We are ever so humble Mr Grayling sir,that our government are trying to get us jobs in our own country,I'm sure I should be touching my forelock,but the only thing I can think of is two fingers.
These people are better off on benefits....Eastern Europeans work for a lot less money because they share rent etc with at least ten others...
How about the tories doing something, like the obvious, stopping mass immigration. No! You mean they're all mouth and no trousers, what a surprise. USELESS!!!!!!
But you can't force employers to pick employees that have less to offer and pick them just because of their nationality. If these hooded youths want to be picked over the eastern Europeans then they needed to step their game up and do what it takes to look attractive to employers, not rely on the government. I've been employed since 14 and have never been out of work since because I always strived to get experience, write attractive CVs, search thoroughly for opportunities etc. Employers should choose based on what the employee can bring to their service, if the eastern Europeans offer more you can only fault yourself not them.
This type of reporting makes me so angry, why are we allowing our young people to be demonised in this way, they are not all 'hoodies' neither are they all workshy benefit claimants who have no wish to work. It is no wonder that young people feel demoralised, when jobs they could have done are taken by immigrants, the dangerous myth that British young people won't work hard is believed to be the case by far too many people. Yes, of course there are some, more than there should be, with a bad attitude who think the world owes them a living, but there are far more who just need a chance to prove what they can actually do, if only they could get a chance. Look beyond the 'hoodie' there is a person behind it, you never know what they have to offer if you don't give them a chance. This is not liberal nonsense, but if expectations were higher, perhaps these people would feel the need to live up to them, not all of them, but enough to make a difference, in my opinion.
Interesting: In all the DM pics it appears only one person was actually wearing a 'hoodie'! Did Mr Grayling actually use the term 'hire a hoodie'? If so, it would only exemplify how out of touch with 'Youth' he really is and how like so many of his Cabinet colleagues and a proportion of those who wear hoodies it would appear he is unfit for purpose!
Heard it all before. Another all talk and no action minister
.....these figures may reflect the fact that 800.000 people are attaining 65 years in 2012 - an unprecedented number - 2013 will show a similar number as baby boomers leave the workplace. So, in effect, it's a blip on the stats. - just a thought, Dorset, 18/4/2012 17:15 = With the government's policy of printing money to protect the feckless from the consequences of their financial folley, few of the "Baby Boomers" CAN afford to retire. THAT was the real point of the "Granny Tax" - to force those with decent pensions into retirement and free up some jobs. Sadly employers don't want their valued people to go because many cannot be replaced. It is not just the experience that they have in abundance it is the personal pride, commitment, a sense of self-worth and a determination to do a good job.
Eastern Europeans are mostly docile, hard working, have no high expectations and easily manageable, firms prefer those for obvious reasons
LEAVE THE EU, PUT IN A SENSIBLE GOVERNMENT AND BRITAIN WILL GET BACK ON ITS FEET!!!!
Problem is the hoodies don't want to work. Why not hire a young person who actually wants a job.
Wasting your vote on UKIP will just let Labour back in again to bankrupt the country.
The way things stand at the moment, you can only get a job if you have done exactly the same thing for your last job, or in the very recent past. Employers hold all the cards at the right now and don't want to go to the bother of training anyone up: Either that or they just employ Eastern Europeans who they can exploit and who won't complain. I can't see them doing a complete about-turn and hiring a hoodie, can you?
We must stop buying and using the services of anyone who uses cheap immigrant workers,this is the ONLY way to get them to give job's to our young people (for a decent wage),also all these agencies who only give work to immigrant's(of which there are many) need to be shut down,enough is enough,look what's happened to Tesco,PEOPLE POWER!!
More words without meaning. The fact is that until we can stop people coming here from Poland and other Eastern European countries this situation will not improve. Employers need to be forced to put British candidates ahead with tax benefits and the government should be liaising with their counterparts in Poland etc. to encourage them to invest in creating job opportunities for their own people in their own countries instead of exporting labour here.
Most hoodies can't string 2 words together in a coherent sentence and their application form would be full of txt-spk and their brains addled with drink or drugs. Any employer hiring a hoodie would need their heads seeing to. Much better to ensure employers consider hiring foreigners AFTER all interviews with British workers have failed and that the interviewer has not intentionally seeked to hire a cheaper foreigner.
What Britain has to offer to its young men!! No hope! No Future and no proper training but can make up the body count when fighting illegal wars! Its time now for the politicians to recruit immigrants in to the services guess they will also make better soldiers!
- John, UK, 18/4/2012 15:05------------ For your information, I voted Lib Dem last time. That fixed term thing isn't set in stone. It was just thought up by Smarmy Cam. I'm sure if he thought for one second he had a chance of winning a working majority no
The system is messed up big time, to get a job you need experience, to have experience you need a job, a frustrating cycle if you ask me. You'd think the government would want to help the youth generation seen as we'll be the ones paying £9,800 (put towards the men who clean their pools, or the people who clean their houses) to go to University A YEAR, when typically, they all went for free. I'm still patiently waiting on the day an orderly rebellion is started against the lot of them, and before they start cutting jobs elsewhere, why don't they start at their end, at the top?
You still wont get my vote. UKIP for me
It shouldn't even be an option in the first place. VOTE UKIP SO WE CAN DITCH THE EU AND GIVE BRITISH JOBS TO BRITISH WORKERS
Good luck with that !
When Camoron and Grayling lead by example, then others may follow!!! But in true blue style; DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO!!! Cos' otherwise, they would have taken a pay freeze/cut...Goddamn hypocrites, could they be any more out of touch with the common man?
This often used phrase of eastern European workers having a good work ethic, is pretty insulting to UK workers, anyone would have a good work ethic if they were paid 4 or 5 times their usual pay especially if they don't normally live here in the UK where the cost of living means that minimum wage jobs are not viable because you'd be paying yourself to go to work, that way leads to bankruptcy, is that what the government want.
British Yobs For British Jobs!
Today - after 12 months of unemployment I was offered not one but two jobs. I must have applied for literally hundreds of jobs over the last year and had been living off my savings rather than on benefits but I was getting very close to the point that I would have had to apply for benefits had I not been able to secure employment within the next month or two. It is very tough and soul destroying to be unemployed. You attend interview after interview and you feel confident afterwards only to find out that for some reason the company concerned have offered the job to someone else. However there is a light at the end of the tunnel and I have had alot of emotional support from from family which has helped me in my darkest times. I just wanted to wish everyone who has been in my shoes every success in finding the right role for them.
Hire a hoodie!! or British Jobs For British Hoodies, lets see how well this goes down with the EU.
Happy Days! - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 15:40 A sad delusion.
Yesterday, Mr Grayling was rubbishing the British workforce, as reported by this very paper. Today, he's telling us that he wants people to hire a hoodie?? Please... Why do politicians assume that they can insult the people of this country, and then exhort employers to employ them. It is just like the infamous Ratner incident, where Gerald Ratner rubbished his own company and watched it crash and burn. Stop telling the world and employers that all foreign labour is wonderful and the best thing since sliced bread; and all Brits are lazy and rubbish not worth the hiring.
.....these figures may reflect the fact that 800.000 people are attaining 65 years in 2012 - an unprecedented number - 2013 will show a similar number as baby boomers leave the workplace. So, in effect, it's a blip on the stats.
Stop paying the absolute minimum and I am sure everyone would want to work. We should have a welfare system worse than any in Europe so that our home grown chaps and chapesses would have no choice but to work. Alongside this though you need a strong justice system to deter crime.
It makes perfect sense. For every Eastern European that is employed some one in the UK is on JSA. If the UK people were employed and we didn't pay benefits to non UK residents, the welfare bill would drop. I know its easy to say as some of the Brits have given the unemployed a bad name with their demands and can't be bovvered attitude, but there are many crying out for a chance. The easy way to sort this problem, if the government had the b^lls, is to levy an additional tax to the tune of the JSA payment, on every employer that employs non UK staff when someone from the UK is available.
Downing Street is stubborn as a mule with regard to reducing the budget deficit by making more people redundant. Infact they too are increasing the budget deficit by giving aid in abundance, especially when we can't afford it. Virtually they are paying for aid using a debit card, whilst making us suffer for loans on their credit card. We are now for the firsts time over a trillion pounds overspending & they are not embarrassed about it. In the last month I've seen a few shops having closing down sales on our High Street & I have seen 2 new Polish shops selling their products. Will they employ British people to work for them?
lets face it, what incentive is there to work? 30 plus hrs a week and you will be on a few pounds a week more than being on the dole once housing, tax, etc are taken out of your wages.
The number of people applying for the same job is unbelievable. I have sent my cv to over 60 employers in less than 2 months and not even had an interview. I got turned down for a part time bookkeepers job without interview even though I am a qualified accountant that has been an auditor for three years!! Bet they got some junior who the can pay min wage to or some equal foreign national. All I want is a job whereby I can re-address the work/family life and not charge about at 100mph like I was doing before redundancy took it's part.
Here's a tip, I was told as a kid 50+ years ago by an old man and I have stuck to the principle ever since and have never been out of work for more than a short period of time and that was only because the firm I worked for sacked me when they were to blame for my injuries. Take any job no matter how trivial ie I even picked apples on a Sunday for a few Quid. Reason, an employer will almost always give a job to someone in work, if he sees you are going more than half to keep yourself in employment.
"Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee." ..... OH COME OFF IT! These politicians sit in their ivory towers serving up platitudes fed to them by politically-motivated advisors. The feral youth of this country DO NOT WANT TO WORK. In many cases they have eschewed the education offered to them free by the state making themselves unemployable through their borderline illiteracy. Firms employ east europeans because they are well-educated in their own country, have been taught the value of hard-work and do not believe the world owes them a living. No business person in their RIGHT MIND is going to pass over a model employee who will work for next to nothing in order to risk disaster with the flotsam of a failed society.
Our young people must be given a chance to work, they have no power so they need help in all ways, first and foremost to get work, They watch all about them outsiders getting the work, the social housing, their place in the queue for the services, schools, health etc, how are they expected to feel? The politicians should immediately stop messing around with all our lives but especially the future of the young Brits and put their own first, second and last. This is an immediate priority, it needs to be done.
I've been unemployed for the last six months. I cannot claim unemployment benefit bcause I live with my ex. I recieve nothing except housing benefit. The local job centre have decided my ex is not an ex at all and I am trying to cheat the system therefore I will continue to recieve nothing, despite this, when my ex is between temping assaignments she recieves a single persons unemployment benefit, despite the fact they have decided I am in a relationship with her, she apparently is not in a relationship with me. COULD SCREAM!!!
What an idiot. Obviously never run a business. I'm an employer, and we hire the best person qualified for the job. If that happens to be an Eastern European, then so be it, if it happens to be a local person, so be it. Everyone gets paid the same, regardless of nationality. You want the job done properly, not cheaply and shoddily, and that is the criteria most employers use.
To those hunting don't give up, I felt worthless and felt that I would never have a job again, if you stay positive and keep hope it will happen, ignore those that say it's easy. - Ellis, Dartford, 18/4/2012 12:40...... Ellis, DM readers understand your situation and sympathise with it. It is those people on benefits who have no intention of ever working, but claim over the odds in benefits that make working taxpayers (especially workers who take home less after taxes than many on benefits receive)and taxpaying pensioners angry. You are completely correct in your assessment that there is dignity and self-worth to be gained from employment, and when you are just starting out, sometimes this has to take the place of a high salary. But I wish you the best in your job and hope that you will soon advance in your career and feel that the early bad times were worth it. All of us workers had to go through it
Do you know my husband has been made redundant 3 times and each time there has been a conservative government in power. Before this lot got in labour was in control, i honestly believe that the labour government knew unemployment was high, so they directed all our young people to go to university so that they could hide the unemployment figures and let our youngsters pick up the tab. Labour con/dems are all the same they are lying corrupt and totally incompetent. Most of them have never had a proper full time job working for someone else, they all have been born with a silver spoon in their gobs and have no idea what its like to be turned down for employment and even worse not even hearing from employers after you have spend hours filling out an application form.I donot believe that unemployment is falling, REMEMBER there is local elections coming up and they want your vote. I neither trust or like any of these politicians because they are in it to line their own pockets.
Personally, I've just about had enough of the 3 main parties. The truth is - they are all too scared to implement the policies that many of us support - leave the EU, limit immigration, reduce or stop the 3rd generation chav benefits, harder prison sentences, etc, etc, etc, etc - and they're all too frightened to tell us the truth that for decades we've been living beyond our means because they want to be re-elected. The only thing that's going to work is a "wartime" government - a Lib /Lab/Con coalition government of national unity - who can impose severe cuts/ austerity - without individual parties being blamed.
Looking at the photo of Mr Cameron with the youth in the hoodie walking behind him, in all fairness, I must comment the young guy in the hoodie is NO CANDIDATE FOR A JOB in our Company. His attitude and his han d in his pants!! is certainly not an image our Company would care to project to our Customers. Is it not perhaps time that some Applicants for jobs, look in the mirror and be honest with themselves and do something about their appearance and the manner in which they dress and also in the manner they speak and the impression they create when meeting a future Employer.
Yes, but mostly tjanks to an increase in part-time employment offering half the salary as full-time employment. No good news at all.
Are these Eastern Europeans really experienced - or just cheaper????
Isn't this being racist and the employment equivalent of protectionism and therefore illegal? I would hate to see yet another MP opening his/her mouth before doing their homework.
"Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee......" Unfortunately so can the well-presented, eager and polite young Eastern European. I'm never going to be an employer, but many are, and I suspect I know who they would choose. If a hoodie really wants a job maybe he should change his clothes and drop the surly attitude.
you need to make your mind up cocker!you only rubbished British youth/workers yesterday!i know a few unemployed people, wanna swap?they could do your job with EASE!
Cant fool me. None of the main 3 will get my vote. Get them all out on their ear.
'Hire a Hoodie'.....you cannot be serious, so now EVERY British teenager struggling to find a job is apparently a hoodie/thug while all East Europeans are workaholic angels. The words I would use to describe this slogan and man would be censored by the DM
35k drop? Wow! We'll forget the additional 758k out of work since the Tories came to power. Or the 221k public sector workers still to lose their jobs. Or the downturn in economic growth from 2.2% to a mean fall of 2.1% since May 2010. A further recession (when most similar"Western" economies have stabilised and grown), record unemployement (was at it's lowest since records began under Labour - and it wasn't bacause of the public sector - 35 SMEs go bust a week now compared to 4 in 2009). Labour aren't faultless, far from it - but to say the Tories have anything less than disasterous, without global collapse to firefight too, is lunacy and idiotic. - Steve, Ayrshire, 18/4/2012 16:16 ************** These things always happen after a Labour Government or are these just a few of the things you fail to notice, or maybe just don't want to? That's why I will agree with you that Labour aren't faultless far from it, as you would realise had they taken over from such a disasterous Government.
I was made redundant two years ago at 55 and never appeared in the unemployment statistics because I receive a small company pension and was never able to claim j.s allowance or any other benefits. When I visited the job centre I was told there was nothing they could do because I received an income. There must be tens of thousands like me. The figures are all hogwash and the number of people unemployed is far higher than quoted. The unemployment figures are based on people claiming j. s allowance and not people looking for work or on government training schemes.
I've been unemployed for 2 months now but because I've saved up money I'm not allowed to claim benefits. Not that I'd want to anyway, but I'd imagine that there are a lot of other people like me who wont be included in these figures. I'd say 80% of the people I want to uni with are unemployed right now. Its a scary time.
unemployment figures fall for the first time in a year.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does Westminster re-vamp its massage parlour after every election or is it a joint venture with LIb, Lab, Conmen. Are its services subsidised like its bars ?
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre. - simon, sheffield, 18/4/2012 10:16 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Because they work for the council or other Govt. agency. That's where the job losses are.
lies & more lies
- Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 15:40 35k drop? Wow! We'll forget the additional 758k out of work since the Tories came to power. Or the 221k public sector workers still to lose their jobs. Or the downturn in economic growth from 2.2% to a mean fal
not here in the North west is hasn't yet again the industrial heartlands takes another beating
Nice to see the government trying to make out this is a good thing, Look at the number of part time workers it shouldn't be that high, part time workers are not in full employment. Playing about with the figures. Yes I am unemployed but I do alot of volunteer work to keep my CV update and to show I am doing something. More than 90% of the people I see in the job centre who never want to work.
Do you believe these figures? I don't.
You're spot on James, but Thommo doesn't care as he was on here a couple of weeks ago boasting about earning £1500/day as an MOD contractor having taken redundancy and his pension! Someone tells porky pies I think. Thommo is apparently a rich socialist, but there are plenty of those about in public sector non jobs. Hope you aren't reducing your charitable donations Thommo! - alimac, berkshire, 18/4/2012 15:47 ***************************** Well said Alimac, but you see Thommo often tells everyone to be afraid of the Tories when it is in fact voters such as he we should all be afraid of as they cause as much damage to this country as their beloved disaster party that call themselves Labour!
A real job is afull time job at a decent rate of pay(ie....more than the minimum wage,so that the employee can keep a family on it.) What you are saying here is that over two and a half million people are still unemployed.....and half of those who are classed as "employed"...DO NOT.....IN FACT, HAVE A REAL JOB> Not much there to be so cheerful about....is there?
In bygone days, people had entrepreneurial flair. Perhaps that is the overlooked characteristic of this recession. Not a loss in employment (for that is, and always will be, around), but an acquiescence on the part of the unemployed to better themselves.
Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery..... - thommo, solihull, 18/4/2012 11:41 As opposed to what? Vote Labour, get loads of benefits, welfare dependency, unregulated banks, a massive consumer debt crisis, unaffordable housing, unfunded PFI contracts on schools and hospitals, two wars and a MASSIVE deficit that that NEEDS reducing quickly...- James, Manchester, 18/4/2012 12:38 ***** You're spot on James, but Thommo doesn't care as he was on here a couple of weeks ago boasting about earning £1500/day as an MOD contractor having taken redundancy and his pension! Someone tells porky pies I think. Thommo is apparently a rich socialist, but there are plenty of those about in public sector non jobs. Hope you aren't reducing your charitable donations Thommo!
more government propaganda .not an ounze of truth in it
Lies ,Damn Lies .......and TORY STATISTICS !!!!!!
Oh dear, the first sign of any good news and out come the 'Doom and Gloomers' (they know who they are)who can't wait to rip it apart. Well get used to it because given time you may start to hear more of it, and all your hopes and dreams for yet another disasterous Labour Government will get well and truly quashed. Happy Days!
What's happened to the 2.5million people they have kicked off the sick
Well paid, skilled, full time jobs being lost. Low paid, part time, unskilled jobs replacing them. Long term this is a disaster for this country.
This is just one measure. According to Faisal Islam the largest increase in employment is "part time self employed" up 25k. Full time - down 27k. Mainly a female story 18k less FT women who make up 20k of the PT Self Employed figures. There's been a massive increase in the number of people working part time because they "could not find full time work" The DWP rarely include what their statistics truly represent; oh for the day when honesty takes over from political spin and deception.
Poor old Auntie Beeb, it won't half stick in her craw having to report some good news, instead of her whinging about 'THE CUTS'>>>>> You can see it in the faces of the newsreaders, and HEAR it in the voices of RADIO 5 LIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Spelling mistake rectified, sorry.
I absolutely do not believe this. Not for an instant.
Poor old Auntie Beeb, it won't half stick in her craw having to report some good news, instead of her whinging about 'THE CUTS'>>>>> You can see it in the faces of the newsreaders, and here it in the voices of RADIO 5 LIVE.
This is probably now as low as it can go in modern Britain because I bet most of the 2.65m are workshy chavz.
So do these statistics include all those people on the various back to work programmes?
- Tom Sharp TAX FIRST CHARITY SECOND in that order, Manchester UK , 18/4/2012 14:50 You'll have to wait for the fix term to end labourite, then you can vote for your smug Pinocchio who never quite became a man. WOW he reduced unemployment by borrowing and
Pull the other one! Just stop importing unemployed Foreign Nationals, then perhaps the good people of Britain would at least have a chance of securing a job.
More likely these people have left the country, not because they found work here
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU! - Charlie Farley, Paderborn. Germany., 18/4/2012 You are right there Charley, problem is they know we don't believe them, and they don't care.
spot on DM many jobs people have found are part time and also agency work. these figures are nothing the goverment should be proud about.
There are thousands of people unemployed but are not entitled to sign on for benefits, you are entitled to just 6 months if you have paid stamps for 2 years, after that it reverts to means tested benefits to which many are not entitled to claim as they have savings or property, so because they cannot claim benefits they are taken off the register but does not mean they have a job !!! Another Maggie ploy dreamt up by civil servants to fool the populace !! - geoffrey, Wales, 18/4/2012 10:18............I fall bitterly into this "catagory". I think there must be much more bitterness waiting to vent and has nothing do do with lazy chavs. I have done nothing wrong, feel no shame and have no job.
John, UK, 18/4/2012 14:22----- When Blair won the election (with a full majority in 1997 unemployment under the Tories was nearly 2 million. Whithin 6 months it was down to full employment. The only people without a job were either unable or unwilling to work. John, Please name one government of any colour, since the first world war that didn't borrow money? This lot are borrowing more than ever as some our millionaires refuse to pay anything. Under Blair and Brown we repaid the lone from the second world war to the USA. The number of new millionaires shot up through the roof. Thanks to the bankers we would be still enjoying full employment and rising standards of living! Urge your beloved leader Smarmy Cam to call an election. We dare you!
The same thing I was told by a nasty, horrible advisor at the job centre yesterday. Ive been looking for a proper long term job for years now but all I get are jobs I dont feel right for me or if I do get a job I like its only temporary so am back to where I started again in a few months. I am currently on JSA and they are really nasty down there to me I have been looking for more than 10 jobs a week going round shops, emailing CV's with no reply from any and I was told I wasnt doing enough because there were so many jobs out there and they basically accused of lying because I would of got something by now then they threatened to stop my claim for 6 months. I think these job centres need to be investigated as a lot of those advisors are not doing their job properly and abusing it by treating people like trash. I dont believe unemployment is going down for a second and all these people care about is themselves not about people who are struggling to cope and find a bit of work. It needs
It's only a great pity that NO Government has ever been totally honest and given the true amount of people who are unemployed. They always use so many little things to distort the true facts that they might as well now even release the figures at all.
kids r lazy these days all they want to do is get drunk nd the parents don't help either this country gives it easy to people so they don't have to work its a shame
I suppose it can't be so bad seeing as there are so many more people now in Britain, and in July 1986 there was 3.1 million unemployed. Do I believe the figure - NO!
Perhaps the figures are falling because people like me over 50, can't get a job due to age, but because I have savings, I am not entitled to JSA or any other benefits. I have to live off my savings which were for my old age - hopefully when I've spent my money there will still be a pension system to support me, but I won't hold my breath.
I have just got a job after being made redundant 5 months ago. I am very well qualified in my field and that has been my problem in securing new work ,alongside being too corporate. I have spent 15 hours each day since being made redundant non stop job hunting, its was absolutely exhausting and soul destroying. Most recruitment agencies are absolutely rubbish, they serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever, and urgently need to be legally regulated so that they actually provide candidates with a worthwhile service. I have had some absolutely disgusting interviews done by senior executives at some very big well known companies ,who simply cannot interview properly (I've done recruitment so I know how it should be done). The government need urgently need to regulate recruitment agencies, and employers need to return to fully qualified HR staff interviewing properly. I always prepared impeccably for every interview,but most interviewers really couldn't have cared less.
Maybe I am cynical but has this latest so-called good news anything to do with an election coming up?. No surly not. That nice Smarmy Cam and his toff school chum Gideon, wouldn't dream of desperately coming up with such a low trick! Woooops see that pig!
MANIPULATED FIGURES.
And only the those who voted this lot in belive this tomorrow they will do a U turn and blame it on labour - barra boy , london, 18/4/2012 14:07 No labour mouth piece, why on earth would we do that? Borrowing soared under labour, they spent every last penny as a "joke" for the new government, they sold 2 thirds of our gold at a bargain price, taxed business until manufacturing shrunk more than at any time in our history, opened our borders so people flooded in to claim jobs or benefits. Yes we want them back, so we can pretend to be wealthy on more debt.
I'm not a Labour supporters but the proof is in the pudding. Whenever the Tories are in power unemployment increases. When Labour are in power unemployment goes down. The Tory party doesn't care if ordinary people get jobs, they only care about getting into power because that means more money for them.
I see the Government Masseuse has been called in to help the unemployment figures again.
The better off asylum seekers are returning home with their ill gotten gains.
For my next trick I will remove all the extra immigration figures from the list, only fools believe these governmental figures, smoke and mirrors all the way.
So with unemployment falling by 35,000 but with the number of part time jobs increasing by 89,000 at best we have lost 54,000 full time jobs and replaced them with part time jobs. How is this good news?
True figure is over 5,000,000. Who believes anything governments tell them.
Goalposts moved again? - Grumpy Grandpa, Livingston, 18/4/2012 10:35 // // No. Not moved. Taken away.
And only the those who voted this lot in belive this tomorrow they will do a U turn and blame it on labour
- James, Manchester, 18/4/2012 12:38 < James, having read your comment, I have to say that every succeeding government tends to build on the previous one's policies, adding their own colour to them. Can you, or anyone quote to me a govenment that, having 
Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost? - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 10:54------------------- Yvonne, surly you remember the mass unemployment of the Thatcher Major 18 years . Unemployed were urged to claim sickness benefit to make the dole queue figures look better. Thatcher didn't think unemployment was a problem. No, she thought unemployment was the answer to the problem. Every time we have a Tory PM it equals mass unemployment, especially for the school levers! Under Thatcher, the method of counting the unemployed changed 32 times. It's called massaging the figures near an election!
Well they've finally rolled out the apprentice scheme, what do you expect?
I smell more horse manure falling out of Grayling's mouth, many people put on the workfare /mandatory work activity schemes or any other type of so called "training" are not included in the unemployment figures, likewise those who have been sanctioned or those like myself who have refused to comply with their slavery schemes on principle and have signed off, if it wasn't for friends and family i would be destitute until i can find any type of work, faced with stiff competition from !nvaders to the UK and very few vacancies my chances are slim, there will be many more people in the same situation and worse, just kicked off benefits with no where to turn for help.
never mind todays youth being unemployable due to their poor maths it looks like the last generation are not doing to well either , as jobless figures fall but those on jobseekers goes up .dont tell me the government are fiddling the figures any one would think its labour in power .is it any wonder todays youth are like they are ,after listening to their so called betters in kindergarden at prime ministers question time today
Unemployment falling, great news, let's hope it continues.
This is the last year that women can retire at 60 so after this year when one of us in our late 50s lose our job what chance do you think we have of getting another one so instead of claiming a small pension most of us will be on JSA in the next few years, just look at the figures jump then.
With ATOS cutting a swathe through Incapacity Benefit claimants - TRUE ones, not the crooks and cheaters from other countries, and those who are defiantly workshy - it's not surprising that there is a - minor - rise in the numbers not claiming - it's all the same old stuff with new names and just as desperate and despairingly depressing as the system ever was. Still, it's a red herring. Jobs are few and far between, you can forget about lifetime careers, and many have dropped off the radar, because of the inflexible attitude of ATOS and the JobCentres to chronically ill people, and there are no figures as to how many jobs ARE being filled - never mind suitable jobs - and what they are, except that most jobs are P/T these day, and have fewer legal protections than tenured jobs (unless you work for RyanAir and are off sick where you don't get paid - apparently...). Bottom line - there are lies, damned lies and statistics!
It would be nice if DM didn't moderate comments and there was still the opportunity for free speech, it seems they can't handle the truth and real reasons about massaging the figures.
Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost? - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 10:54***I'm just going to explain why I think you got red arrowed yet again Yvonne. You talk of job sharing decreasing the unemployment figures. Well If I was out of work and I had a choice between job sharing and being on the dole, I like many others would have chosen job sharing it being better than being out of work. So you see, job sharing was a GOOD thing because it also cut the benefits bill as well as giving a job to those who wanted it.
I work in Recruitment and can i ask do they count the immigrants who have just arrived and after manual work? who do not yet have National insurance numbers and not claiming? do they count those that are living off of redundancy? do they count school, college or university leavers who are not claiming? We have over 100+ coming into our agency seeking work and i guarantee these people have not been counted for, these figures to me are not real and the government need to work in an agency for a few days to see how hard it is for these job seekers.
When reporting unemployment figures, I wish the media would take care to point out that the government figures are ONLY those unemployed and receiving JSA. The 'forgotten' unemployed are people like me who despite paying National Insurance for 40 years can not get a penny due to my wife working 29 hours and me receiving a small pension which wipes out 'entitlement' to JSA. I am probably more active in seeking employment than many receiving JSA but do NOT appear on any government statistics. How many others are like me, there must be hundreds of thousands. At age 55 I can't go on any 'experience'schemes or get training as I am not getting JSA, but I want to work, and resume paying Income Tax and N.I. .I now also see increasing jobs advertised as 'work placements' , where once again you have to be in receipt of JSA. I can't even compete for these jobs. I would be held in much higher regard by the people who run this country if I had sneaked in under a lorry, and declared my hate for UK.
35,000 people have been taken off the Jobseeker's Allowance register with no evidence that they are now employed. This can easily be checked by asking the tax office!!!
We need millions more non-jobs for jobsworths in the public sector. Simples.
Good news.
Lies, damm lies and politicians statistics. Is it a coincidence that inflation fell just before the budget and now unemployment has fallen just before the local elections. I would not believe this useless, lying Government if they said today was Wednesday.
This is reported the same every year, its spring the weather picks up and seasonal workers are taken on although 35000 is peanuts for a population of 60 million. The euro football is about to hit a brick wall and come bouncing back, we're living in the politics of delusion where those with everything to lose keep ' talking everything up' yet are privately terrified that its soon to come crashing down. Greed and ignorance will shortly change everything as we pay the price of avarice. I feel sorry most for the weak and unprepared and least for those with the most who will fall the hardest. I do know one thing, on the street everyone i talk to intends to vote for anyone but the three major party's with Ukip the most mentioned. We all know they tell you anything to get into power then ignore the voter for the next five years, fine but this time if the voter gets nothing else they intend to get out of europe. One things for sure though, its the best show in town. Bring it on.
It's not just the unemployment figures they are manipulating but also the people on any form of sickness benefit. They send them for a medical with ATOS who promply kick them off, they then appeal so their money is reinstated but they have been taken off the figures. These appeals can take six months. If they lose their appeal they then go on jobseekers allowance. I thought the last government were the worst in history but I must say this lot are making a good stab for the title.
It's the start of the holiday season, most of these jobs will be summer only, part time and the poor people will be back on the scrap heap come October, I know as we had to survive like that for several years after redundancy.
I have a job interview today after searching so long for a job so I hope its for me but I dont believe this information if it was true more people would be in work and less people would be on JSA. The goverment are not doing enough to help people especially the people my age like early 20's and the job centre is horrible. Am on JSA but ive been looking for myself because if I wasnt I would never get anywhere and probably be on benifits for the rest of my life.
All in days work for the House of Commons massage parlour.
So, just massaged figures then. :-(((((((
Anyone with over £16k in savings can't claim JSA and therefore doesn't show up in the stats that would include most of the skilled middle class professionals which are losing their jobs through the cuts.
Carrotcruncher-- thank you as I was having difficult in understaing the figures.. Now I get it :)
The situation where I live tells a different story. Lots of honest, hardworking people who I know have been made redundant and their families are distraught. On the other end of the spectrum, I know families who have never worked a day in their life (apart from a few cash in hand jobs on top of claiming benefit) and now their children (18,19,20 year olds) are having babies, there's no reason to start working at all. They're pulling every trick in the book, claiming to be a single parent to get rent paid, claiming to be looking for work when really they're quite content with their dole and child benefit... I could go on and as a 48 hour a week tax payer, it makes my blood boil. These figures are skewed to make the government look like they have actually achieved something. Don't believe a word of it. They WANT unemployment. They WANT to control income. We're all on the edge of a revolution.
Isn't it strange how these very optimistic figures are released just when there are local elections round the corner. They are misleading us the majority of jobs are part time, low paid and young people in particular are still finding it hard to get work. The lack of 'work ethic' is often quoted but I have seen young British people being passed over in order to employ foreign workers who are paid below the minimum wage and live in overcrowded slum housing where as many as 8 or 10 will live together and share expenses. Meanwhile they are earning what amounts to double the wages in their country of origin so it's little wonder that they 'work harder'. If anyone is paid double the wages they would normally earn and can live very cheaply whilst sending money home to build luxury homes we would all be on the bandwagon. It is not a level playing field for young British people and they are often villified when the majority would like to work for a reasonable wage.
I don't believe this. David Cameron has a background in PR and advertising for the Conservative Party. But I really don't know how they manged to create these figures. Has the Government clamped down on all the people falsely claiming sickness benefits yet? They said they would. Yesterday, I think the Government had a shock when they realised how well Labour and UKIP were doing in the polls. If David Cameron is so despirate to cling onto power, how about leaving the EU - he would get a lot of support for that. - UKIP supporter, London, 18/4/2012 11:31 It's all well and good wanting to leave Europe but when will farage and his crew come clean about the cost in jobs if we do leave?
I have worked with the unemployed quite a bit during my working life. Mostly through recessions where unemployment has gone through the roof. Unemployment figures go down ONLY because they are on 'employment schemes' they then are taken off the list. This is the ONLY reason they have gone down. If unemployment had truelly gone down the WHY has those claiming JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE GONE UP? The Govement just like the last Tory Goverment DOCTOR the figures to look better than what they actually are. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THESE FIGURES THEY MEAN LITTLE IN REAL TERMS. Those on 'training schemes' are STILL UNEMPLOYED, but are discounted. AND YES I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. Once again we are being LIED TO, AND THE TRUETH DISTORTED TO MAKE US BELIEVE THAT THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER, WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE WORSE AND ARE GETTING WORSE. you only have to look at the price of everything which is still rising and our pay packets are less.
The figures fluctuate over a year. So the headline is meaningless. There are always fewer unemployed in the Spring simply because youngsters are at school and uni taking their exams. The figures rise rapidly as soon as these people start to look for work. The true picture is the annual figure not seasonal. The facts are that as soon as the Tory party policies kicked in the numbers ot of work soared. What is worse is that those who have minor disabilities are now expected to find work and come off benefits. With so many able bodied unable to find work what hope have these people
Complete and utter garbage. These figures are not accurate, they never are. It does not include those who have reached the end of their six month Job Seekers Allowance period. Part time jobs are replacing full time positions, the tide of mass immigration continues to blight any chance of a meaningful recovery and the jobs that are being filled are low skilled and low paid with not opportunity for career progression . Bunch of twisted liars, the lot of them.
How hard is it to understand..........over 3 million immigrants to the UK in the past few years, they say it averages at around half a million per year..............2.65 million people out of work, a majority that are British........doesn't take a bleeding rocket scientist does it............we aren't creating half a million jobs per year......are we!?!
MORE spin (lies), does anyone have the un-doctored figures?
Its the start of the holiday season, Hotels etc take on staff during the summer season, for five or six months, then when the season ends they become unemployed again. Do not be fooled that this government is getting a grip on unemployment. If they want to decrease unemployment, they should bring the pension age down, and not keep putting it up !
You have got to have sympathy for Cameron, he has got to find work for the British but has also got to find work for the rest of the World. Mind you he has not reduced immigration so I suppose he has to take some responsibility for his actions.
Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery..... - thommo, solihull, 18/4/2012 11:41 As opposed to what? Vote Labour, get loads of benefits, welfare dependency, unregulated banks, a massive consumer debt crisis, unaffordable housing, unfunded PFI contracts on schools and hospitals, two wars and a MASSIVE deficit that that NEEDS reducing quickly if we don’t want to lose the confidence of world markets and end up having interest rates (and the resulting austerity) of Greece, Spain, etc. As the departing Chief Secretary to the Treasury said: “there’s no money left”. It’s very hard to create jobs and prosperity in these circumstances. I’m not defending the Tories, we just should never forget that it was Labour that got us in to this mess and will need to be patient while the new Government tries to get us out of it.
What a laugh _ Gone down maybe transferred elsewhere in statistics? My grandson is 21 half and doesn´t even get a chance although he applies for vacancies - he has no experience except the odd bar job, can´t afford driving lessons . and there are so many immigrants in the East of ENGLAND. So where are these jobs????
Unemployment hasn't fallen, this is probably the number of people who have lost their right to benefits after failing to find work...... It's about time this country stood up together and said enough is enough......
Me and my g/friend are on "work" placements so are not in the figures.how many thousands are also?
Well of course unemployment will fall when you deliberatly take them to a peak at the beginning of a parliamentry term there is only one way for them to go towards election time, this was one of Thatchers great ideas.
Cameron MUST resign !!!
Someone has been jogging around with satistics again to make the figures look good again
Elections soon , so fool the people as much as you can, , They doing what they good at Lie
- Ellis, Dartford, 18/4/2012 10:40_________________CONGRATULATIONS on your new job Ellis :) xx
We won`t be hearing this on the BBC. Anymore than they reported the ! million jobless that Brown hid for 3 years!
there will be a temporary lift whilst there are opportunities to hide unemployment behind paying Olympic and jubilee events, but do read what these statistics are saying, most of the jobs are part time and usually of short term nature only. The economy is going downhill, fast, no thanks to the tories.Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery.....
Well those numbers are wrong.... what about the all the people who have never claimed....? I know plenty of mums who have never gone back to work after having their kids, I'm sure there must be more people like this!!!
What this in real terms is the government telling the people what they want to hear just like when we hear that crime figures are falling.Dont believe a word .
Lies, Damm Lies, and Government Statistics
Chris Grayling you twit. These figures are massaged and false. What about all the unemployed that are not registered as we are not entitled to anything. I am 62 and have worked for 44 years paid taxes and scrimped and save for my retirement. My meager saving are now drying up. Then what. Chris Grayling you Idiot.
I don't believe this. David Cameron has a background in PR and advertising for the Conservative Party. But I really don't know how they manged to create these figures. Has the Government clamped down on all the people falsely claiming sickness benefits yet? They said they would. Yesterday, I think the Government had a shock when they realised how well Labour and UKIP were doing in the polls. If David Cameron is so despirate to cling onto power, how about leaving the EU - he would get a lot of support for that.
Thats because they are fiddling the figures , would you expect anything else ?
These statistics are misleading. Since the qualification period for a full state pension dropped to 30 years from over 40 years last year the job centre staff discourage anyone over 50 from signing on because it is now not necessary to get signing on credits for your pension. The only point in signing on if you are over fifty is to get benefits. However, if you are made redundant over fifty years old you will get a pay off and this together with even a very modest amount of savings would make many ineligible for benefits. Consequently a great many people in their fifties are just disappearing from statistics.
I don't believe it. Big con. Lies lies lies. Election now.
The jobless total falls by 35,000,yet the number claiming jobseekers allowance as risen by 3,600.Now i ain,t very good at maths but even to me the figures don,t stack up.Then of course theres the governments youth contract were they pay emploers to give the young a job,or has maggie used to call YTS which was a con then designed to cut the jobless total and this coalition can rename youth contract but it,s still a con.Also is this not the time of year when those who do seasonal work return to the work place.facts,figures,statistics, more like smoke and mirrors
The trouble with have in believing this is because we have been lied to consistently over the years, nothing they say on any contentious issues are believed any more, even if by chance they could be true.
Working at mc Donald's getting abused don't count.
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU!
The trouble with have in believing this is because we have been lied to consistently over the years, nothing they say on any contentious issues are believed any more, even if by chance they could be true.
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre. - simon, sheffield, 18/4/2012 10:16 *********************** Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost?
This Grayling fella sure talks some crud
Unfortunately a lot of the born in the 1920's "approximately" generation have passed away now, but if you were around in the years 1984-1995 you will of heard them repeating how " THATCHER " started mass unemployment and how we knew it was millions not the figures that her "spinners" were feeding into the media. The chief mouthpiece was that awful traitor to the working man Bernard Ingram. " THE DAMAGE IS DONE ".
The increase in part time employment shows that employers have quickly latched on to the notion that it's cheaper to hire two part time workers than one full time worker as you pay no national insurance contribution. So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. No change from the Torys.
So 35,000 have been bullied and threatened off JSA & ESA by A4E and other workfare providers. Well itÂ’s what the Tories wanted. People being forced to work in Tesco for free don't count in the stats. Plus all the people who have gone self employed but arenÂ’t earning anything. False figures concocted by evil lying Chris Grayling to save his own backside.
Under 18s wont be included either as we can't claim any sort of benefits, If I should want them, I don't as I have not paid in, I will have to wait another 2 months to sign on. In the meantime I don't exist as far as the governments concerned. And for those that wont believe me just so they can carry on hating young people for 'having everything given to them' - LOOK IT UP! We are not well off and we are NOT lucky. Hardly lucky when I wont even be able to get a new coat as I don't think its fair on my mum to have to help me out with money.
Why is it when someone puts statistical facts in their comments the d m don't print it??
Everytime these figures come out they are just made up
Grayling,like all of his predecessors,has trouble discerning reality.How can he say that this is a step in the right direction? We are sinking ever deeper into the quicksand,only not as quickly as ten seconds ago.Platitudes are no substitute for slamming shut the doors to the Immigration stampede for what few jobs are still left.
I think im in those figures, just got a 20 hour week job after being unemployed for 3 years!!!, got an interview for another 15 hours at a another company on Friday too!. I am worse off now but I feel I have a purpose and that's all that matters, it did pay off after sending countless CV's and attending a LOT of interviews. I was called work shy by most readers on here who are probably in a job/or haven't been unemployed in these hard times. To those hunting don't give up, I felt worthless and felt that I would never have a job again, if you stay positive and keep hope it will happen, ignore those that say it's easy.
yet more lies. this country is on its knee's. its a good job they are wasting billions on the olympics isnt it?
Goalposts moved again?
Don't believe anything this government puts out, they have massaged the figures to make it look better. Just like Nu-Liebore used to. All politicians are liars, they look and care after one thing only.............THEMSELVES.
They'll be hiding the figures!!!
There is no excuse not to have full employment; if you can give me one then I would like to hear it. Capitalism - a crime against humanity. - stuart, animals want to live just like us, so stop eating them :(, So what is your solution then..?
has anyone else noticed when ever pm questions time comes around the media always times good news to help the Tories when their in trouble.
More like they put them on courses such as A4e where it all looks good on figures as not unemployed even though they have no job. And some people may give up using jobcentre.
There is no excuse not to have full employment; if you can give me one then I would like to hear it. Capitalism - a crime against humanity.
You only get 6 months on contribution based jsa before the job centre has done with you - id guess those who go off the jobcentes books this way but are still unemployed are not counted. Also, mothers who do not qualify for help with childcare as of this month so who have had to quit work are called 'inactive' when really, those who would rather have kept their job are simply unemployed.
Well it will show a drop in figures because of the temporary christmas jobs over december and january. A more true projection will come after the second qtr from march to may. Plus there is all the sick people being reassessed and all those waiting for appeal will not show up on unemployment statistics although they are still unemployed. It is so easy to fix figures, this government must think the general public in this country are morons.
BS baffles brains! It dipped in February but increased in March and it`s a step in the right direction.Oh yeah!
There are thousands of people unemployed but are not entitled to sign on for benefits, you are entitled to just 6 months if you have paid stamps for 2 years, after that it reverts to means tested benefits to which many are not entitled to claim as they have savings or property, so because they cannot claim benefits they are taken off the register but does not mean they have a job !!! Another Maggie ploy dreamt up by civil servants to fool the populace !!
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre.
Liars..it,s just that everyone is on useless and pointless " Training Courses"..on a course?..not unemployed..Refuse to go on a course,or stack shelves anywhere?..JSA stopped..not unemployed..Local elections in May..and it looks like the Cons are going to get their expensively clad backsides kicked..Hence the unemployed finding work propaganda..Fairy stories from an increasingly worried government..even the dimmest Tory can see it will be them who will be unemployed come 2015..I bet quite a few are considering defecting to the UKIP..They have my vote now..despite me being a lifelong conservative..Oh yes..we do exist here oop north..
How does this work then? You can only claim unemployment benefit - as I understand it - for a maximum of six months. After that you go onto means tested income support! Again, as far as I am aware those claiming income support is not taken into the figures for unemployment. So actually, these are not really a true reflection of what is going on! The figures do reflect the reality!
Unemployment falling and people claiming benefits is going up? You couldn't write it could you?
they keep turning out these lies on the jobs market everyday we hear of shops closing job loses all over britain and they try to tell us everything is rosey government propagranda
Statisticians worth their salt can juggle figures to give any result their masters want. Next month they will use a correction factor to tell a more realistic tale and usually it is a negative increase.
That's a bad monobrow, that.
'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?==============Well for a start, I wouldn't go to another country and rape someone at knifepoint.
I'm a women from Lithuania and really ashamed of this evil man's actions... 10 years ago me and 3 other women were savagely atacked by an English guy on the same night. It just unfortunately shows that no nation is immune to evil occurrences!!! Look in your own garden before you start judging other nations!!! Love and peace !!!
It is rapidly reaching the point where the people need to make a stand....if our elected government won't protect this country then we will...
WELL DONE UKBA is this another one of your sucesses.
Vote UKIP to get of this.
The "Beating heart" of britian wants to stay in the EU according to Cameron... I wonder what these two women who were just raped would have to say to him about that tbh.
A big thank you to all of the traitors in the plitical class.
Sue the Government they let this vile person in the country with their treaties - they ok being driven around and security for them and their families - all at the tax payers expense! Discusting the whole thing is discusting
UKIP
David Cameron thinks we would be 'mad' to leave the EU.
I wish I could afford to emigrate from this godforsaken country!
Dont even want to bother with him or how he got here. Only thing i would like to mention is young lady who despite it all isnt letting this disgrace of a man ruin her life. Amazed by your courage...
Please close the door to immigration.
When is this all going to stop - do our customs not check up on these filth? When you watch the documenteries on customs in New Zealand etc they check everything then put them straight back on a plane if they are not happy. What do we do?
He will not do 9 years and he will not be deported.
vote ukip its our only hope
Its a safe bet that Cameron and Clegg do NOT include the added cost of EU criminals when they say the EU membership is essential for Britain.
Deport on release. No two ways about it.
The political and financial elite of this country have the most to gain from us being part of the EU. It's the working (mainly) and middle classes that have to deal with trash like this. Remember when they say that being part of Europe is good, they mean good for them.
If Cameron and clegg spent less time cosying up to the EU leaders and more time listening to British opinion the country would not be in the state it is....my vote is for Farage
One of the occasions where he should be forced to serve his sentence in his own nations prisons..... i feel sure pool tables and TVs , plus three good meals daily and free central heating will be a priority in his own country!!
I'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?
If you want to stop reading headlines like this vote UKIP, over to you Brain dead voting sheep.
Why are so many comments ignorant and detrimental to Eastern Europeans? Its not fair to tar all people with the same brush. This guy represents 0.01% of Lithuanians living in Great Britain but despite that statistic it still causes knee-jerk reaction for a lot of people. As an English person with a Lithuanian fiance I can completely sympathise with why Eastern European people come to our Country - its to better themselves. Admittedly there will be a smal fraction of people who come here to sponge off the State, but please take into consideration the vast majority who come here to work, especially those in high-ranking professional positions that English people couldn't fill themselves.
what is the point - we all know what needs to be done yet the people who can do nothing. time to leave the EU we get nothing from it except problems........ the time is now
So does that mean we have to let all criminals in to UK? You don't hear of France, Germany, having these problems - well I suppose that's about right, they just disregard all EU rulings anyway, and we welcome everyone in with open arms - as we are told, "its good for our economy!" Ha
They should taken him to the Tower Of London and left him there to rot. my thoughts are with the victim.
Why have we got to foot the bill for keeping this "man" in prison? Send him back on the next plane....then slam the doors shut on our borders!!!
And Mr. Cameroon still wants us to be part of EU..!!!!!
we all commenting, but doing nothing.. typing on a keyboard is easy, standing up and doing something is not in British nature, come on people!
come one, come all, everyone welcome, we promise no checks will be made on arrival.
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
We put our own nationals through intensive checks including C.R.B so why do foreigners just get the open door no questions asked ? On a side note the advert for the video is longer than the clip, and why do companies advertise a clip about knife crime and rape, I wont be buying that toothpaste.
VOTE UKIP!
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Wanted in Lithuania and we let him in?
I thought criminal background checks were standard procedure before anybody comes into another country??? Good God, UK border officials, what the bleeding heck is wrong with you?
Perhaps some liberal politician can explain why why having something like this crawling round our streets is 'good for the economy'?
HOW ARE THESE LOW GUTT ER SCRAPEING SCUMBAGS GETTING IN ?
All the more reason why we need proper Boarder Controls. Not this FAUX system run by these corrupt officials.
"Butkus must serve a minimum nine years in jail before being considered for parole and faces deportation upon his release" - and faces deportation, what a laugh. This guy should be permanently banned from the UK, stuff his Human Rights.
Only one answer to this nonsense - VOTE UKIP.
Another success for our useless Border Agency.
We need someone that has had a working lifestyle to run this country and sort it out. None of these private school boys who live in another world, we need someone that knows what the people want and isnt afraid to get things done.
he will purchase a cat then judges will allow him to stay in the country
What are we doing allowing trash like this specimen into the UK? We are told be the likes of Clegg that one of the advantages of EU membership is the European Arrest Warrant - what happened here when a wanted individual just strolls into the UK?
Yeah, like there are no British rapists and murderers? Your reasoning is pathetic.
he is allowed to come here to support his family back home, despite many of us here having no work. Is he now in a british prison ? If so where is the money coming from to keep him, we are expected to cut back and go without, and yet this man, who should never have been allowed here in the first place having a criminal record , is being kept by us? can someone in government explain why ?
he probably has a cat here and cannot be deported.
THIS GOVERNMENT NEED'S KICKING TO THE KERB !!! TO MANY SCUMBAG'S ARE LET IN THIS COUNTRY , SHOP'S ARE CLOSING , ITS GOING DOWN HILL !!!!! WE NEED SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT WHO CARE'S ABOUT ME !!! YOU !!! PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ,
All those who blame Tony Blair should look at Lib.Dem. and Conservative policy over the last 40 years. They've all done it and UKIP are a pretend party and if ever they get in power they would have no guts to do anything. They're just Conservatives in disguise.
Does the HEART of the country still want to stay in the EU?
shut the borders now.
So a life sentence is 9 years?
Thank you Tony Blair
More Eastern European filth on our streets. Just wait til next year when the floodgates open.............
Its a pity that he didnt rape the politicians familys, perhaps they might take better care of the borders then, they are the ones that bought these evil people to our shores, send the eu criminals back now..
Good old EU. Get rid of your rubbish in Britain, France will not have them nor will Germany Cameron will make you welcome.
And what will happen when all the Rumanian and Bulgarians gain access to Uk under 'freedom to roam '- we will have most of their criminals as well - How does that benefit our nation SHUT OUR DOORS NOW
Get rid of this scumbag NOW!! make him serve his sentence in own prisons where they are not so soft as ours.
And what exactly types of benefits do we get from the EU?
and loads more eastern europeans due here soon stop it now we have no room no money no police no borders no hope vote ukip
Re comment from 'execblond', Perth, Australia. Excellent idea but, sadly with the inane Human Rights Act we have in this country, we cannot do this as it would breach their 'uman Rights!!! Sadly, this Act takes precedence over everything, even common sense!
We are FOOLS! The British people treated like DIrt! WHY do we stand for this!! We here cases like his every week, yet NOTHING is done, but our "Leaders" ha tell us we should NOT dump the EU! OUR people are SICK of the EU, get us out and LET'S get Britain back to sanity and so WE DEPORT who we want!! Shut the door NOW! Before thing get dreadfully worse!! UKIP for me
How about some of our top lawyers (who make plenty out of this nonsense) put together a class action on behalf of all those whose lives have been spoilt by criminally incompetant beaurocratic couldn't care lesses. Do it on a no-win-no-fee basis.
VOTE UKIP
I'm just so frigging tired of reading about these scum on a daily basis. We need to protect our women. Get these vile pukes out of my country NOW!!!!!!
daily we are given the glad news that yet another rape murder fraud has been commited by someone from the EU and their open door policy , we have the right to demand that the boarders to this ISLAND be patrolled properly and vigerously and that ANYONE can be denied entry to this nation ...as many have pointed out , let in with a cheery wave , down to the dole office , nice little flat ...then out to rape , we cant continue to allow or own people to be treated like this !!!
Thank you Mr Blair, Brown and Cameron! You and your wonderful multicultural ideals have and still are putting the lives of people at risk every day in this Country and you don't give a damn!!!
Mark my words, It can only get worse from January next year. Tens of thousands of poor Romanians and Bulgarians've already applied for passports in order to come to UK. Lots of criminals will arrive here under false name, with 2-3 passports each.
Knee jerk reaction time....lets ban knives....oh yes it worked a treat.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting. - Jac w , Weymouth, 15/1/2013 06:40 sorry but there is more brits that claim benefits so shut up... also even when you will have Border Protection everyone still be allowed in!! as no one will check crime records to decide if you can enter the country!! think peaople!!
Takers Takers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid
This is becoming very frighteneing for the good people of Britain. With the floodgates open from December, Christmas 2013 will not have much to cheer about. The East Europeans are coming! They are champing at the bit to claim our benefits, although they have put nothing in. They will bring their families and kids for the child benefit. They will bring their mafia style crime. They have no respect for us, nor authority. Our British woman have cause to be worried. The only way to divorce ourselves of the EU mess, is to VOTE UKIP or BNP.
People like that are sickening. They disgrace their country and put a bad name on hard-working and honest Lithuanians. I'm Lithuanian, and I would think the best would be to lock him up in UK, that will mean that he'll get the punishment he deserves. In Lithuania, unfortunately punishments for scum bags like that are not severe enough to teach them a lesson. He would serve maybe couple of years, and would be released on parole, because of 'good behaviour' and continue what he's doing, people like that don't change. I know UK don't want people like that and they're right, nobody does, but unfortunately, all human rights nonsense leave people like that without proper punishment.
Vote ukip, get these scumbags out...stronger border controls are needed now..
I'd have thought after Moira Jones was tragically murdered in Glasgow a few years ago by a known Eastern European sex attacker that border control will have been seriously reviewed - it seems not. Why can't we get the changes we need in this country?
We are allowing wild beasts to roam large. Who will save us? Not the Bullingdon Boys in their ivory towers.
Dont vote ukip as some comments on here say , remember they will form an alliance with labour , so things will only get worse.
Mr Cameron says we must stay in EU,he refuses to listen to the people of UK.Being in EU is giving people like this rapist a choice to appeal once leaving prison to stay is UK as it will be his human right.Id be out of UK as fast as possible if i could afford it.UKIP maybe our saviour.
Politicians live in "Cuckoo Land" not in our world.
Add your vote to HM Government E petion "Close our borders know" . Enough is enough.
Deport him now. Not in nine years time. Let an officer fly back with him and hand him over to the Lithuanian police. Simple.
But this type of person enriches society, is a hard worker etc.
What are we paying passport control for I wonder... ukip next time round.
Hundreds of thousands more are predicted to arrive in Britain soon. Foriegn Criminals - Coming to a street near you - Blair started it - Brown continued it - Cameron HIDES from it ! UKIP Needed.
Thats all its going to be is reports of Ferel immigrants who only come here to loot and plunder...and Rape as well..Long live the EU ...NOT!!!
Deport this filth.
We take in any old criminal these days - just wait until 2014 for even more to be allowed in. Multiculturalism and more importantly, open EU borders, does not work. Never has done and never will. Close the borders and only let in professionals like respected doctors and nurses. We really don't need anyone else.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting.
What grips me is this scumbag faces 'possible' deportation after his release. Am I on the same planet here folks? He should be put in a sack today and sent back to a dungeon in his homeland to serve out his sentence full stop. Absolutely, vote UKIP.
Why has no politician spoke out about this and many other cases like it... Silence from them all, a sit is they who sign these agreements in our name....YES the victims should sue the UK Government but not the tax payers to pay the cost....the MP's.
and we let him in, what is this country coming too, we need to take tighter control of our boarders and patrol our streets, more police, better training, we need to feel safe on our streets again, and stop letting anyone and everyone in
Another case of 'Open border crime', how many people have to be raped, injured or killed before we stop having open borders. Vote UKIP, it seems the only way to stop this abuse. This must also be causing problems for well behave immigrants who are being tarred with the same brush.
Do what happens here in OZ, lock em up on arrival, until backgrounds and paperwork have been checked
Even if you vote UKIP, it's probably too late. If you can, leave now. If you can't then vote UKIP and throw your full support behind them.
What happened to Border Protection! If a fugitive tried to get into this country he would be stopped!
Just wait until December this year when the EU floodgates really open and another FOUR MILLION immigrants swamp the already grossly overcrowded UK. VOTE UKIP TO GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE EVIL CLUTCHES OF THE OBSCENE EU.
and when his sentence is served he will fight deportation on the grounds his human rights would be violated if he was sent back to gaol in his own country.
He was a criminal when he came here AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AT THE BORDER AND SENT BACK HOME. No criminal should be allowed into Britain whether they come from the EU or the rest of the World.
before he gets thrown back please serve the time for the crime committed...
THANKS TO THE LABOUR PARTYS MASS IMMIGRATION FOR VOTES POLICY
If the British people don't stop voting for Lib / Lab / Con - then expect more and more of this - but of course it wont affect the politicians , they all live in leafy suburbs , well away from all of this .
How can politicians dare to bjt spin and scare monger us about leaving the EU when this is now a daily occurrence on our streets WAKE UP BRITAIN VOTE UKIP!! Romania and Bulgarian gypsies are waiting!!!!
Congratulations Britain on landing another piece of criminal scum. You've got him for as long as HE wants to be there because it'll be against his so-called human rights (what sicko came up with that misnomer!!?) to deport him - or better still execute him! He'll be back out on the streets in a couple of years, living on long-suffering taxpayer handouts and raping more innocent women. How great is that, eh?!!
no border controls,being told what to do by a panel of merrymen from brussles ,whilst are kids are be raped and killed ,by foreigner with no accountability welcome to soft ,soft uk what say you david old boy ?
More of this to come from 1.1.2014 when all the Bulgarian and Romanian criminals flock to the UK.
The solution is easy. Death penalty for rapists. They only come here because they know that British Justice is a joke and nothing will happen to them even if caught. We bring so many woes upon ourselves because the loony left legacy still prevails.
This is Just The Beginning!!!!
Time to give the EU the big finger! All British military personnel made redundant, should be immediately employed in sealing the borders. Then any EU dross [or half of Africa,Asia and the Far East] caught be deported tout suite back to FRANCE and elsewhere. Hollande will need them for voters anyway.
Do the government purposely want people's lives to be a misery surrounded by scum who face no real punishment for destroying others lives. Is it some kind of experiment until we beg them for ID cards or something. There's just no logic behind it, the criminals are destroying society, I sick of it.
Your comments:Why are you people complaining,the crybabies are in the ascendant,it is not about the girl it is about the rights of the individual,foreign or otherwise,the 'uhman rights act supersedes all,there are no borders hence no responsibilities temporal or otherwhise,do as you will the invitation is free.
Thank you so much, EU.
These horrific crimes will continue due to our spineless politicians and pathetic judicial system as long as we remain in the EU.We have totally lost control of our borders.Neither Cameron or Miliband will listen to the non silent majority.Vote UKIP save our Britain.
I'm just glad I don't have children/grandchildren - I don't want to contemplate what this country will be like in 20/30/40 yrs; that's assuming it still exists as a viable 'independent' and identifiable state. And Bulgaria and Romania have yet to join!
Criminals can just walk in ,but i have a friend who has been trying to get a visa for his wife for nearly a year.
Feeling 'enriched'?
A double-rapist gets 4yrs 6 months for each assault!! 'Minimum 9 years' after beating and raping 2 women! Just like the other 'rape'report elsewhere in DM I am just left stunned that an English Judge yet again completely fails to reflect the appalling agony of the victims or the demands of society that decent people be protected! I do predict with the rapidly rising lack of confidence in British Judiciary there will be increasing vigilantism with all the gross mistakes that entails unless UK Judges realise their abiding duty to the general public of issuing clear DETERRENT Sentences.
Just wait til the Bulgarians and Romanians have access to live here. We will have to house them and pay welfare for them. Open borders. Time to reclaim the country. Did I read that only 33 pct want out of the EU? That is quite puzzling.
Time to sort out the UKBA who should have prevented this EEA effluent setting foot on British soil. Mr Cameron , please log on to DM online and read the comments posted by the real, sane thinking, British public. 99% of their comments are a true reflection of how the British public view your shoddy attempt at Government and especially border control.
More non-indigenous filth.
How much more of this are we going to put up with before we take to the streets , like the French,and get this stopped once and for all.
All those who have suffered at the hands of these scum bags, be it rape, burglary, robbery, car theft etc. etc. should sue Tony Blair and his cronies. Take them to court and make them pay for your distress by opening the borders for the scum to come into Britain. My father said 30 years ago Britain would become a dumping ground for the rest of the world, and it has, just go to terminal 3 at Heathrow.
We're cutting back on our police force because we don't have any money and our economy has collapsed, probably because we are now overpopulated and all of our resources are overwhelmed, so as if we don't have enough home-grown scum.............we have to import it. UKIP may not outright win the next election, but neither will Camoron and the Tories.
Thill keep happening untill we stop people just coming into the country with no checks at all. How many more women have to suffer before the Goverment will actually do something?
...and theres potentially another 49 million just queuing up to get here right now thanks to the EU rulings. What a sad country this has become.
Phaedrus, Penzance, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. Certainly there are, take a look at the Swedish papers(in English) and you'll find the same problems especially with rape.
Sue the Home Office and Border Control.
Expect a few million more like him when Romania and Bulgaria followed closely by Turkey and Croatia. join us next year. Good being in the EU don't you think. Worth paying £53million a day for.
Yep, welcome to labours vision. A safe haven to the worlds scammers, fraudsters, rapists and thiefs
UKIP
We need capital punishment - widely applied - as a deterrent and to clear out prisons - applied retrospectively to existing inmates. Punish not Rehabilitate.
Yet more "diversity and enrichment" from the EU-SSR! Thanks LibLabCon for turning Britain into a more "vibrant" place...
What was ww1 and ww2 all about then
Note the weasel words- after parole he "faces deportation upon his release" Not WILL be deported, but FACES deportation, thats if the UKBA can be bothered to pick him up when he is released. And if they do he'll be released pending appeal ( at our expense) whereupon he will disappear until the next crime. So why isn't he sent home to serve his time as allowed under EU rules?
And the British Border Agency allowed him into OUR country, who is getting fired for that? We must vote UKIP to get our country back, it is our only chance.
I think this is why the PM doesn't want to leave the EU... He enjoys the people of Britain suffering.....Get out now and give us back our borders, you coward!
I cant understand why any country would have an open door policy regadless of the reason, even if people from other countries do have the right to live and work in another country does that mean they should not be vetted first... surely there should be a visa system were people have to submit a police report at least or a central data base that police and immigration officials can tap in to.. its a total sham..
The problem is we have restrictions on our own citizens which we can easily check up through CRB checks which are done in India, yet anyone coming here can get around these checks and go straight into work leapfroging British citizens thanks to Labours Equality Act 2010 which states that minorities should be given preference over white men. Those coming here come with low skills sets and take up low waged jobs which means that our national pension scheme cannot cope because the foreigners aren't paying enough into the scheme. AT EVERY TURN MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU HAS BEEN DISASTEROUS FOR BRITAIN.
DM, PLEASE PRINT THIS....IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T TRUE~~~~~~~~~~~~~My god, everything you read is about criminals from Europe, thieving, fraud, more thieving, rape....we already have enough of our own criminals we don't want any more. What is our country becoming?? Lets get out of Europe and send them all back....They would soon disappear, if their benefits were scrapped!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~VOTE UKIP ~~~~~~~~
This is it.. what I am afraid of, the Border have no Control, instead of Border Control.. so may be people who wants to come here, if they are from EU, check the name, nationality dob and finger prints against the Police crime in those country, hence, if they are on the list of the police those country we have the authority to object them to come here. Secondly even though they have the right to come here, the Border Agency have the right to ask them how much money they have,where they are going to stay, if they have relatives, can we have the address and cross check with them, and what is the purpose to come here, If you are in Asia, some of the country ask like that if they are suspicious they will deport you straight away. Surely UKBA should protect their people.
Just political tools....how to break up a civilised society.....yes EU is a shining example of the tyranny we are under....give him a house and a pension....then you compare us to Apes as being fair....haha dont be so naive DM.
Another " guest " committing a heinous crime, time to stop these animals coming here.
Labour:the gift that keeps on giving.
Working as Intended, the EU let's migrants come into the country and do as they will, even if it's rape women... oh wait is this where we draw the line, didn't think we had a line.
Another one ? How many more times do I have to read this scenario, and how many women will be traumatised by these sorts of attack ?
Isn't it time to close the door. There's only one political party with the guts to do it, and they've just overtaken the Tories in the latest opinion poll. First place is only a matter of time for UKIP, and then we will se some real action in this country, and a whole raft of vagabonds, scroungers, and pretend asylum seekers, will be chased back to where they came from!
How many more dangerous immigrants like Mindaugas Butkus are out there? It's a question that can't be answered because the government doesn't even know how many immigrants have entered the country.
Good to see our great boarder control doing their job?.
BRAVE GIRL .GLAD SHE SEEMS TO BE IN CONTROL OF HER LIFE . PITY ABOUT THE EASTERN EUROPEAN CRIMINAL SCUM THAT IS FLOODING THE COUNTRY.MANY MORE TO COME IN DECEMBER.
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT - PIG SCUM. Another result from the Border Agency and this government!
Without any right to appeal etc, PUT HIM ON A PLANE NOW! Foreign criminals should be banned for whole of life from entering or staying in the UK! Sadly we get the cess pit of foreign criminals who exploit serious security lapses thanks to rulers in the EU!
I wonder if there is a figure for how many adults & children have been attacked/raped because of our open border. How many British people would be alive today if we had control of all immigration and asylum seeking issues. These things happen in every country yes, but uncontrolled immigration has caused crime to become totally out of control in the UK. He will not be deported, he'll join the other garbage already here and hide among half of romania and bulgaria who are packing their bags right now. I despair.....and it makes me SO angry we have to build more houses, prisons, hospitals etc to accomodate more of them and chuck away more taxpayers money with our International Benefits System.
What is the prime function of Passport Control ?
With completely open borders this will continue to happen, just wait until more countries can travel freely. The EU will never work in the current format, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. I can only guess there are many people in many countries wondering what they have done agreeing to open borders and mass economic migration.
He should be deported immediately with the Lithuanian goverment incarcerating him for 9 years, its adding insult to iinjury ,that this monster attacks British nationals and is then kept in one of our soft prisons at our expense.
And this is what the E.U say we have to allow into our country with open arms and pay them and house tham as soon as they set foot on our soil.GET US OUT THE EU NOW.
Take him off the streets!!!!!! Take him out of the country and throw the trash back where he came from.What is happening to Briton? Letting in all the scum from all over the world.You polititans have lost control.
Everytime something like this happens it's another spit in the face from our useless, but sly, politicians and the cauldron of hell that's the EU. If we don't put our faith in UKip absolutely nothing will change for the better.
Vote UKIP if you want your country back.
SCUM!
No sense of priorities. Like building a cathedral in which the starving poor may worship.
The only exhibit an EU Museum needs is a small plinth with a broken clock on it.
For 'House of European History' read 'The House of European Propaganda'. Another shameless attempt to sell the European project to the masses. Our own culture is being airbrushed away while this ridiculous idea will cost us dear indeed. Beginning in 1946? How convenient for Germany. Tell it like it is/was and it'll reveal just how little we have in common with our European cousins. Shameless self promotion from an unelected European elite.
Yet another waste of OUR money... lets stop this stupidity before starts. it`s about time you lot in London packed up and let us girls take care of the purse strings..# YOU would be surprised
It is self-aggrandisement at the expense of the taxpayer. If the parliament wants this project then it should get donations from Federalists, well paid MEPs themselves or companies who want to support it.'** Anyone disagree?
We are not geographically part of Europe-so what are we doing paying for ‘an awareness of European identity’? We must get out-we can not afford the membership fees anymore! UKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIP How many more times does it have to be said?
Support The Bruges Group and get their regular emails with their expert analyses and also details of all their meetings. I have been doing this for some time now.
Memo to Cameron and Clegg, that well known musical hall duo. Don't p--s on my back and tell me its raining.
Brussels are taking enough of our money without us having to pay toward the cost of a House of History. It's those who are running the EU who want their names in lights, like Poettering, but at our expense. I say if that's what he wants then let him pay for it, he's getting a handsome salary seeing that he's the president. ANOTHER WITH HIS SNOUT IN THE TROUGH
That IDIOT Cameron will go along with it as long as he has his sight set on a top job in the EU when he gets thrown out.Stop this farce now before the capital gets totally wrecked,we have had enough
A monument to mediocrity and hypocrisy. Cancel it forthwith. It'll only be a rewrite of the truth to satisfy the Brussels gurus and placate our one time enemies. Not a penny from Britain, please Dave, we cannot afford to maintain our own honorable, rich and true history let alone contribute to this sham.
More EU Hogwash!
I think this question has been asked before 'How much is Poland paying.'
This building project isn't even started. ABORT IT NOW. Totally ridiculous, particularly in these hard economic times. It hardly seems appropriate with euro countries failing. We should revert to Common Market status. Referendum NOW.
Google.... Alternative to the EU The Bruges Group... then read the pdf full analysis of their idea to replace the EU with EFTA, the European Free Trade Area... This is masses better for Britain... masses cheaper for Britain and will help to build up to a million jobs where they are needed most... in making things! Of course we would have to fight like the devil to get any in Westminster to listen to us because they (like the union chiefs) are on a promise for the EU gravy train... but SHOUT folks and keep shouting and e-mailing MPs... we need to WIN this one.
The European Commission has pledged €10m in aid to support Japanese people made homeless by last month’s earthquake and tsunami. Isn't that generous
Have YOU signed 'The Pledge' at eupledge.com . . . . . . . There's also peoplespledge.org Sign up and start to put an end to this MADNESS!!
If the good citizens of Brussels want a dam museum then LET THEM PAY FOR IT!!!!
Yes Rita Sussex lets go back in time before Britain joined the EU.Stikes,stikes and strikes.Just listen to Alf Garnett and Arthur discussion in the pup over the Pool of London.For days ships could wait to unload.I sold Senior Service for 30 bob to the dockers .Those were the days.
They should have stuck to the origional budget and stopped when the money ran out. The resulting unfinished, over ambitious carbuncle would have been a better example of the typical EU muddle, than any other museum exhibit.
With twenty odd countries in the EU, why do we have to stump up one seventh of the cost? Surely everyone should pay the same for something like this. Is one in seven exhibits going to be about Blighty? I sincerely hope so. And anyone who hasn't paid their fair share needs to belt up!
With a bit of luck the EU will have its very own place in history
Just another reason why we should ditch this unelected, undemocratic shambles of an EEC. This is only one of the reasons I will never forgive our politicians past and present for selling our country down the river. Our ancestors who fought and died for our freedoms must be spinning in their graves.
When contracts are written make sure they are not open ended. Fix the price with No extras.. This way the contract price remains the same throughout the contract. Every government contract always ends up costing up to 10x the original contract price.
Does any one else think it is wierd that the UKIP has an Argentinian born spanish woman as an MEP.
IF BRUSSELS WANT THIS LET THEM PAY STUFF EU AND ALL THE LAZY IDLE MPs Cameron grow a pair
How many British people are going to visit a museum of European History in Brussels? And we all know it will be EU propaganda and politically correct nonsense not to mention History that has been conveniently changed by the EU.
How many British people are going to visit a museum of European History in Brussels? And we all know it will be EU propaganda and politically correct nonsense not to mention History that has been conveniently changed by the EU.
To all those calling for an early exit from the EU......Have YOU signed 'The Pledge' at eupledge.com...?.....Have YOU asked YOUR MP why he/she has chosen to ignore the call..?...YES, I have done both these things, but still waiting for a response from my MP....Two weeks and counting.
I sincerely hope they don't put all the old relics from all the european countries in it. We've seen and heard enough of them already.
Why are we putting up with this? £136.5m is an awful lot of moolah and in a time when private and public sector jobs are being snuffed out do we really need this monstrosity stupid "thing" commissioned? UKIP and all their anti-EU colleagues around Europe need to stand up and say "NO!"
How dare the unelected EU try to WRITE OUT all member states history, as if no other history before THEIR year Zero matters! What a cheek. That is exactly what will follow that Marxist mind bending museum, which in true commie style will no doubt distort the facts. As for them deluding themselves “that they helped to bring down the Berlin Wall”, sadly NO THEY DID NOT! They simply extended the wall boundaries to imprison all EU member states. To hell with the EU! Who in their rightful mind would pay to see their own demise? For goodness sake Mr. Cameron, get us out of that damn EU, before its too late!
Great - I think I'll visit it.
Out out out. Are you listening Opperman, MP for Hexham? Thought not
Maggie would not have allowed this. C'mon Dave grow some balls and say there is no British money available.
Ridiculous. But it doesn't seem all that much when we've just heard that Cameron's given £650 million to Pakistan's education system. What IS he thinking of, when here in the UK we've had to stop school building projects, cut teachers and increase class sizes?
Noel Smith 16.43.The EU flag means a lott to me without it no export of incapacity benefit,no credits nor my 53% pension.
Can you believe it that thief Cameron has just said he's giving millions to Pakistan. I feel sick to the stomach. People we really need to move fast to rid ourselves of this lunatic. Why does he treat us like imbeciles ? I swear im far from stupid but it angers me that he thinks i am. Someone please organise a demonstration . All the stealing of our hard earned taxes has to stop .
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry kevin quilter, Leicester UKnotOK said the above, I forgot to put my line across to separate it. I said "I made enquiries with UKIP's headquarters and although they say that AV isn't anywhere near perfect, they are recommending that people vote for it, it will give them a better chance to get elected." Apologies to Kevin!!!
lets start the museum at agincourt look foreward to trafalger,waterloo,quebec,portugal, spain,the armada,then came the liberation of france, holland,belgium twice world wars 1/2 the magino line ww1. against who?....yes you got it there old enemy germany. europe do you really want this museum. BRITAIN SAVED YOU GO FOR IT. THE BRITISH MUSEUM OF EUROPE,
If construction hasn't yet started, you've just saved a bunch of money! DOH! - Pete, Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- er....what? How is the cost doubling "saving us a bunch of money"???
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show I made enquiries with UKIP's headquarters and although they say that AV isn't anywhere near perfect, they are recommending that people vote for it, it will give them a better chance to get elected.
The Euro coin is part of the history they intend from 1946 onwards.Printed on the Dutch 2 Euro coin is God be with us a slogan the Dutch used when whiping out indeginous populations,if they are going to show European history say it all.
European Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering wants the controversial museum to 'cultivate the memory of European history'==========================Yes the main focus must therefore be the German peoples responsibility for 2 world wars and the deaths of millions.
If this farcical "European Folly " goes ahead, which would be a disgrace in the eyes of the british taxpayer, the majority of whom want to get out of this MEP gravy train, ( no doubt Europhiles Cameron and Clegg will buy into it , both looking forward to the greater good of Self with eventual positions within the EU ?? ), if any one thinks that the cost will stay at £136.5 million, then they better think again!! the eventual cost will in all probability, be in the region of double that figure. Take a look at "Holyrood" which was estimated originally at 92million, and I predicted then that the final cost would be closer to 400 million, ( I underestimated it ), so the british taxpayer will be footing an even bigger bill, the European Union is a disaster area, get us out of it.
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show
I must admit that I've read a lot of European history recently (Germany, Poland, Russia) and this sounds as though it will be a great place to visit now that our local libraries are closing.
If construction hasn't yet started, you've just saved a bunch of money! DOH!
"European Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering wants the controversial museum to 'cultivate the memory of European history'" The sooner the EU becomes history the better, vote UKIP and get us out of this dictatorship spending OUR money on these stupid projects. We are paying the EU £77billion yearly for this rubbish and getting nothing back except cutbacks and job loses. MEP Gerard Batten has finally got a breakdown of what the EU is costing each and every one of us, have a look at his new blog, we need to act now before they take every penny off of us.
Yet another expensive White Elephant or hole in the ground. The mid boggles, but other wise people have already said, history is repeating itself very clearly and loudly.
Phil,Manchester.5/4/2011 14.36.......Good idea Phil.........SO come on you opinion writers,someone suggest a date for an EU Flag Burning Day and lets agree to stick to it ! I,m not usually into flag burning but the EU flag does not represent anything or anyone so it needs to BURN !!!
25 countries to agree on a single version of European history? Can we buy tickets for these meetings?
I don't suppose any real consideration has been given as to whether anyone would like to visit this museum. It sounds like another white elephant project from the EU.
Say it loud & clear - UKIP gets MY VOTE from NOW ON. and NO to AV - otherwise minority parties will be in controll for ever.!!
I've a better idea. Lets house all those unelected commie evil twisted greedy gits in the museum. We can call it the Eurodisney 2
The £156m brainwashing experiment. Walk these floors and forget your identity. Leave through the museum shop with new European awareness!
The only way Brussels can get a history of it's own is to steal everyone else's. And for a country that has only played a recent part in that history just exactly why is the museum being built in Brussels. Oh I hope rthey have more than there fair share of outside EU builders on the project. LOL
That could be one museum piece, the document showing the last time the accounts were signed off, as truthfull and correct, lol
If you think "Disneyland" is fantacy - wait untill you see what they put in this place. The gross lies will make Goebbles look like a Sunday School teacher.
Vote for AV in the May referendum and we might just see a UKIP government in power to get us out of this mess called the EU.
That two faced creep Shameron is in Pakistan doing his dirty deals . He doesnt give a stuff about us. This country is on its knees and he's off proberbly pledging more of our tax money to those plebs all for the afghan pipeline to cut through the North of their country. I could scream . Our Government are a bunch of frauds. Roll on next election
Time the voice of the majority was heard,OUT OF THE EU NOW.
I wish i could flush the EU fat cats and their barmy ideas down the pan.My country has been destroyed and i wish to salvage whats left of it. I will never vote for the 3 puppet parties ever.
Is this the New World History Museum according to the Bildeberg/Frankfurt etc Group - with history totally revamped to suit the new inhabitants of the EU? Orwell, eat your heart out
EUROPEAN HISTORY: - WAR, GREED, INVASION, MORE WAR, ART, MORE WAR, HOLOGOST, WAR, COLDWAR, FOOTBALL, EU, GREED, CURRUPTION AND WHEN ALL THE MONEY HAS GONE AND THE RESOURCES HAVE RUN OUT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO FAMINE AND EVEN MORE WAR, ISN'T EUROPE GREAT.
The Irish will be protesting tomorrow at the Dail .They want out as much as we do. We need to strike to stop this financial terrorism .
and then they will charge you again to go inside. - Graeme (Scots Expat), Singapore, 5/4/2011 15:00 ____________________________________ And when you try to leave they'll keep asking you to reconsider your decision until you reach the "right" one...........
As a proud European I'll just be glad to visit a museum rather than some snooty palace owned by an undemocratic Royal Family. - Russ Atmos, Manchester, England, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got to love the irony of someone being a fan of the EU because they don't like something that is undemocratic.
and then they will charge you again to go inside.
Hey! Who cares what it costs,it's not coming out of our pocket. Your (wealthy) MEP
I hate the mention of the word EU and that swine Heat should have been hun drawn and quartered for duping the electorate. Damn damn damn the EU - Tommy , Salisbury UK, 5/4/2011 14:45 CMON PEOPLE, NO PARTY CAN TAKE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND HERE, THEYRE ALL IMPLICIT IN THIS, LIB/LAB/CON SHOULD BE HUNG DRAWN & QUARTERED.
YTell us some more baout how they are squandering our money. I hate the mention of the word EU and that swine Heat should have been hun drawn and quartered for duping the electorate. Damn damn damn the EU
When do we strike ? Come on people how much more can we take? - adam, herts, 5/4/2011 11:27 STRIKE?? YOU DO KNOW THAT WORD INDUCES VOMITING AMONGST DM READERS? THERES NO CHANCE OF LARGE SCALE ACTION FOR THIS CAUSE AS MOST PEOPLE ARE UNEDUCATED ON THE SUBJECT AS THE MEDIA TIPTOE AROUND THE ISSUE (FAIR PLAY TO THE DM FOR HIGHLIGHTING IT) ALSO THERE IS A MUCH STRONGER FEELING IN MY OPINION ON THE VANDALISM PLANNED AGAINST THE NHS - THAT COULD MOBILISE PEOPLE.
Will there be an exhibit for one of their founder members, even after his death he is still the most active one. Vidcund Quisling. He has still plenty of active supporters in The Palace of Westminster.
Anyone like to suggest which day we should set aside this year for national burn an EU flag day ?.
Of course the cost has doubled. How many Euro MP's and their 'friends' have had their snouts in the trough to get their share? All the EU is good at is squandering OUR money.
Yet another reason to leave the EU. Yet another reason to support the British National Party.
It is good to see that or contributions to the EU are not being wasted. I feel so much better about the standing in the rain and wind waiting for my bus at Norwich bus station. By shutting the recently built waiting room after 6pm allows the money saved to be spent on this wonderful museum in Brussels. Hooray for the EU. Another fine example how this country has benefited from such a wonderful organisation.
This 'farce' of a museum is nothing more than the 'commie' stinking EU grandstanding and blowing it's own trumpet. It feels it has to, because more and more people around Europe are getting sick and tired of it. The only EU museum I want to visit, is the one that tells the true story of the entire, sorry, failed, commie attempt at European domination. IT HAS FAILED. It has cost Britain hundreds of billions alone, and for what? Virtually all of Britains problems right now are directly attributable to being mixed up in this stinking commie nightmare. After this EU monstrosity implodes, even I would pay money to go and enjoy the virtual experience of the former EU, so I could enjoy it's ending again and again. Put the EU out of it's misery now. It must be killed off!
We could have funded a couple of hospitals for than amount of money.
Well people do keep voting for the same three political parties so wat do you expect?
Quote: ''The EU costs the UK £8.3 billion "net" a year. It costs £9 billion to administer its new regulations and directives annually and more to administer earlier regs. Between 2000-2009 (latest Government figures) there was a "net" trade deficit with the EU of £262 billion. The Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) costs British taxpayers billions for the benefit of foreign farmers. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) has directly cost us 400,000 jobs, ruined an entire industry and emptied the North sea of fish, taken by foreign fishermen. So what's in it for us? NOTHING. We are the fools and cash cows for the EU.....'' On 5th May, you know what to do. If you don't know what to do, you will need to vote 'Yes' to 'AV' in order for UKIP MPs to get into Westminster. That is the only way the British people will ever get their 'in/out' referendum on the EU. Remember this on 5th May.
Time for a violent response to these arrogant foriegn pick-pockets. Democracy doesn't work. None of the political parties that get elected will ever take us OUT and the two that want us out will never form a government. Only answer is direct action. I'd like to see that damned blue rag burning starters.
Susan, Gloucestershir said : "There is little point in having a museum unless it contains works of historical or aesthetic signficance (which, presumably, will not be the case here, given the nature of the EU museum and the very recent period of history it covers) . Without these things, the arguments and histories presented in a display can just as easily be presented in a book, which would actually earn money rather than costing it. It's a disgrace that we are funding this, when decent museums are being closed here, and works of art are under threat of being deaccessioned." Since this period of "history" is so recent you could probably do a podcast including people who were around at the time. How far would £19M go if spent wisely on our over 65's? Even £136.5m for old people all over Europe...
Can't pay, won't pay.
Spending on the EU museum can be deferred. It's not like there is a lot to be put in it right now so it does not need a large building.
When will you idiots wake up and start backing UKIP?
A mueseum the majority of briton's neither want, care about or have any intention of visiting. When are the British public going to rise up and say enough is enough, they wont give us refendum because they know exactly which way we will vote! WE WANT A REFERENDUM ON TH EU NOW!!
"For something to be true, one only has to believe it to be true."- George Orwell. BTW, what is "the concept of a European idea?"
Doofus, Newbury said: "So only european history after 1945 will be shown. All of the really significant euro history happened between 1914 and 1945." Even taking things back to 1914 is still only scratching the surface. I'd expect the Italians and Greeks to want nothing to do with this. Considering their capital cities have existed for over two and a half thousand years. Even Brussels is around a thousand years old. Calling the last 65 years "European history" is daft, it covers a period of at least 35 times that.
Remember dont vote for any of the three main parties. They are TRAITORS out to feather their own nests and to hell with the sheep
What we need is a referendum on the EU to get us out and stop wasting OUR money on expensive crackpot ideas suggested by unelected gravy train riders. Is there anyone left to protect this country from itself. Certainly not this government; it takes me all my courage to read the news these days it makes me so downhearted.Goodness knows how people without a job or struggling financially feel when they read this lunacy.I shall vote UKIP next time they cannot be any worse than the spineless lot we have in or have had in.
I'll be glad when the EU is history..Now that I would visit a museum to learn about!
It will be more like £272million, just like the Scottish parliament. A bottomless pit for these jokers!!!.
Why should we pay a pennyh towards a European Museum when we cant afford to keep pur own museums and libraries open. I am really getting sick of the European waste of my money.
Let the Irish pay for it. After all that's where lots of our money is going even though we aren't even a member of the Euro. The Portugese and the Greeks can chip in.
It'll be open for a few years, then they'll find some excuse to close it and convert the building to palatial offices for Eurocrats. They only butter their own parsnips.
Call me stupid but I don't get the math here ... there are 27 MEMBER STATES which means equal contributions are £5.05m - Me, in the EU!!, 05/4/2011 12:56 Who told you that the EU was a collection of states making equal contributions? I don't know the actual split in this instance but I bet it is not equal contributions!!!! The UK has always been a net contributor, whilst many of the 'poorer' states are net recipients of EU funds.....
.....and how much is it costing the other EU member states then? There are 27 member states of the EU so 136.5 million / 27 - 5.05 each so why does the UK have to pay 19? Hardly fair and equal is it but hey neither is the fact that the English pay for prescriptions and the Scots and Welsh don't.....where Harpie Harman the "Equality Queen" when you need her.....?
How much of this money is going in to back pockets? It is a well known fact that auditors refuse to sign off the EU's corrupt accounts. Perhaps the museum should have a special department dedicated to the history of fraud and corruption within the European Union.
I wonder what the Time Lords think about the EU!!!!!!!
Stop whining and vote in the coming referendum. If you can't be bothered to get off your be hynds, then suffer the consequences.
....We should be proud to be European and a museum is the perfect way to teach our children and grandchildren about the sacrifices made to create and build the EU. I for one cannot wait to visit it. - Les Bubb, Belfast, 05/4/2011 11:11... We should be proud of our 'sacrifices' to build the EU ??!! You REALLY need to get more Les ! Exactly what do you expect to see in it ?
I've had enough its either UKIP OR BNP for me.
To Les Bubb and what sacrifices would that be exactly from 1946 onwards? apart from the tax payers as I have never seen any politicians sacrificing anything and they aren't likely to when it means more money for them and jobs running the damned museum. Only the EU could be so stupid as to try to promote and still sell to us a failure. Reminds me of a saying by a politician "I will fight to the last drop of YOUR BLOOD" They should know when to quit and stop pursuing a dead horse but then where are all these defunct politicians going to get another job after be deselected from their own national parties/governments.
Get out of Europe NOW. They are ripping off the British taxpayer. Our government Dave and Nick should be ashamed of themselves they are paying and allowing this to happen..
More money wasted. Its about time Cameron got off his backside and fight for the British, every way he sells us to the dogs. mambo Marina
Its about time we had a referendum on Europe, we have been robbed of our sovereignty by successive governments and it is high time we said enough, we are not taking this treachery any longer. You work for us, not the other way around and we will not be insulted like this any longer!
Another completely unnecessary EU project and another EU scam at the tax payer's expense. Will it ever end?
£136.5 million for a museum spanning European history over just 65 years! Two thirds of it will be concentrated on explaining the evolution of the EU no doubt. If there was ever a case of gross misuse of tax payer funds this has to be it. BRITAIN OUT OF THE EU NOW!
I wonder what the Time Lords are saying about the EU!!!!!!!!!!!
".........It defies both belief and logic that in this age of austerity MEPs have the vast sums of money to fund this grossly narcissistic project. ‘Worst of all is that the chairman of the committee responsible for giving the go-ahead to the project sits on its board of trustees. .....‘In any other parliament such a clear conflict of interests would not be tolerated.’ ........"........ Says it all, really. European history? IF schoolchildren were still taught their own country's history, this ludicrous narcissistic project would never have come about. We don't want or need it. And when we get out of Europe - are you listening, Cameron? - such useless money pits will be toast.
Call me stupid but I don't get the math here ... there are 27 MEMBER STATES which means equal contributions are £5.05m so where does the £19m come from? Oh yeah ... doh!!!!
To paraphrase De Gaulle - "Non!" It may have escaped these Eurocrat's attention but the UK is circling the plughole in terms of finances right now. Sorry, not interested because these are hard times, and still wouldn't be even if times were better. If they feel that strongly about it, they can pay out of their own pockets - not mine!
well Dave, if this is your idea of a Big Society, you can stuff it. When will you get on message about the EU, the GBPublic do not want to be a part of it like this
Is that a german Hans-Gert Peottering who want s to "cultivate the memory of european history" ! !? What a farce when the germans refuse to accept or even teach about the horrors they inflicted upon euope in 2 world wars. Get us out NOW
As a proud European I'll just be glad to visit a museum rather than some snooty palace owned by an undemocratic Royal Family.
This place sounds like the political equivalent of the Creation museum, both places are run by people of dubious ethical standards and neither is ever going to become a priority on my to-do list.
One day this museum will be like that of Auschwitz, a lesson to us all in the folly of social engineering.
Great, more gravey trains for the huge fat cats in the EU to grow even fatter! Why is our prime minister allowing all these to go on? What ever happen to the promise that 'we are all in this togehter'. All we can see is that all fat cats whether they are in the banks or in senior managerial positions in public organisations such as the NHS, local authorities, universities are getting fatter without any apparent means for the country to control them. Can't we call in some foreign powers to sail a couple of gun boats up the River Thames or a few jets over London?
The EU accounts haven't been signed off for years and so we should not be surprised that there is no control over ANY budget...
If this was a museums giving the whole of European history it might be worth it. But to be honest the history of Europe since 1946 is hardly a blink. I assume that countries will not be deemed to exist until they joined up. that is going to skew things a lot. Re-writing of history is always a warning sign of a dictatorship, and that is something I think that should concern us all.
Yet another good reason to leave the EU. How much more of this c**p do they want to dump on us? Wake up Britain!
Is there no way of stopping these Bureaucrats spending our money on stupid projects? Who will go to the Museum and why £12million to run? Cameron should quite simply say NO,and reduce our payments by the cost of the project. UKIP is our only chance of a referendum the Tories have done their usual back pedalling.
Don't worry about it EU Dictators. You know the UK taxpayers will cough up the money as usual, all courtesy of those traitors from the three main political Parties in Westminster, who have already given away our Sovereignty and democracy and replaced it with you unelected idiots instead.
It will be worth every penny. We should be proud of our common European identity.
Cool, I love museums.
Another EU mess-up, when will our politicians realise that we must leave this vile money eating monster called the EU, we will not tolerate this for much longer, we want out NOW? Long live the revolution!
Is it time yet?
This is proof of how the arrogant EU does not give a damn over how they spend their money - Richard, London, 5/4/2011 10:00 Sorry Richard, one minor error! It is of course OUR money not theirs, although they seem to think anything of ours is theirs never-the-less...
Not started yet, answer then, don't start it, who would want to go and see anything that they put on display anyway, not many in the UK I bet.
By my reckoning £136.5m divided by 26 member states works out at £5.25m apiece, not £19m. oops, but then we ARE bailing out Greece, Ireland, Porugal (soon) and any number of other lame duck members of this farcical free trade organisation.
Honestly who will vist it?. Once again the EU are spending our MONEY, still I suppose it will keep them busy for a while. I still object to this, but then who am I a nobody with out a say in these matters. They never listen to the people they are just concerned with themselves and keeping up thier standard of living which most of us would envy.
'Europe is a collection of failed old world states whose only connection to Britain has usually involved conflict with us either defeating or Liberating them' Or in fact, if you actually knew your history, defeating Britain in conflicts. france won more wars against Britain that the other way round. And failed old world states? France and Germany seem to be doing better than us at the moment.
Once again I say "A Referendum NOW!!!". We are broke and cannot afford to look after our own be it pensioners, ex military, sick and genuinely disabled, why do we keep bunging money into this enormous black hole?
Just whose cousin is getting rich from this?
There is little point in having a museum unless it contains works of historical or aesthetic signficance (which, presumably, will not be the case here, given the nature of the EU museum and the very recent period of history it covers) . Without these things, the arguments and histories presented in a display can just as easily be presented in a book, which would actually earn money rather than costing it. It's a disgrace that we are funding this, when decent museums are being closed here, and works of art are under threat of being deaccessioned.
Just another reason why we should get out of Europe, no wonder the health service and schools are struggling to make ends meet when this stupid country wastes money hand over fist pampering to the wills of Brussels, has no one in government got the balls to just say NO!!!
what sort of exhibits will there be? Wine lakes? Butter mountains? Photos of corrupt EU officials sipping martini's at St Tropez?
'an awareness of European identity'. My mate sat opposite me right now is Scotish and I am English; Neither of us will ever be anything different. Get the hell out of this madhouse.
If the Duke of Wellington could have foreseen the British relationship with Brussels almost two hundred years after the battle of Waterloo I don't think he would have thought it worth defending against the Napoleonic army.
When the people of Erope finally get sick of these waste of money projects and we have a revolution they will all sit there wondering why.
Sounds like an EU propaganda white elephant - an expensive one at that.
Vote yes for AV and vote UKIP and get us out of the EU madhouse.
Did l want this? Did you want this?
Please let us have a referendum on the monstrous European experiment whilst some of us still clutch our ever diminishing sanity. EU = madhouse. Money for nothing and the perks are free. (Apologies to Dire Straits).
"MEPs' disagreements mean EU history begins in 1946" I think we can all agree that it should have dies . . . . . . in 1947!!!
As we look on in disbelief, Cameron will be signing the open cheque.
Chicken feed - sure. Just wait until they build it - if they do. See what the bill will have come to by then. Twice the latest figure as an underestimate, and all to the glorification of some EU presidential wannabees. Financial depression - not in the eyes of those EU bigwigs spending our money.
Apart from the disingenuous deception that is the EU, once known more aptly as the EC, European history since 1946 consists essentially of the breakdown of the USSR control over European states and the USSR itself of which the biggest by far was the re-unification of East and West Germany. Momentous as re-democratisation of these European countries was, it has all led to problems with agriculture, fisheries, legal systems, immigration and a huge corrupted fiscal system and un-audited accounts and now propped up economies. This museum cost is a drop in the bucket and simply what they're good at. I dare say that whatever they present in it will be as distorted as their treaty's and their administration. Vive La Liberte.
Historical disagreements on dates are nothing new. So why emphasise this as some kind of point? It's not a point, it's rubbish journalism.
GET US OUT OF EUROPE NOW! At least give us the referendum that has been promised by preceeding governments, (a political promise that has been broken by all of them). The only party that really seems to want to exit the EU is the UKIP they've got my vote!
Who on earth wants to have a museum of a disaster.
All the more reason to vote UKIP.
I really think we need something like this because in the very near future the whole European project is going to crash and burn and future generations will need to know where it all went so horribly wrong and this proposed self serving white elephant will show them just how easily misled and gullible the citizens of Europe were. These grandiose projects are doomed to failure, we are British not European. Europe does not have a seperate history but it will have a seperate future!!
Once again the british are showing the world how "STUPID" They are? Every week the british taxpayers are used to fund the EU. And year after year we stay in this very expensive club .The more that the EU abuse the british the more we give them .WAKE UP BRITAIN AND GET OUT.
No, No, No!
I honestly do not know why you are complaining about this. Museums are a valuable resource of information not just for this generation, but future generations. I am shocked that people would deny our children this valuable and important resourse and we should be thanking them for providing it. The fact it has gone over budget is merely an example of the high standards they are commited to. Why do half a job within budget when you can do it properly for a bit more?!
so they want 19 million for this which very few if any uk tax payers will go in to then you get that school birmingham that so badley needs re building ah whats going go
When do we strike ? Come on people how much more can we take?
Will someone tell "call-me-dave" to explain this,? how can he say our student's have to pay £9000. plus per year and the throw money at this nonesence WE WANT A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U.............IN or OUT
Well, I suppose we will have to have something for future generations to ponder on what a disasterous experiment it was.
I can't believe this amount of money and has been spent and not a brick laid. If this isn't criminal then I don't know what is.
We now tell the big spenders of everyone else's cash in Brussels that we don't want to contribute to this folly, & we won't be visiting it - even if it does get built.
Whenever I see those blue, starry flags they fill me with horror. They represent a modern version of the Nazi flag....the few controlling the many. Totally immoral, totally wrong, totally and utterly unnecessary for a happy world. Britain should see it for what it is and get us out. It would only take one brave nation to break away and others would follow. Then it could be consigned to history, where it belongs.
I do not think that the European Commission and all its illegal parasites will be around in 2014!
Great, our museums are struggling to survive and money is wasted on yet another EU White Elephant.
Hmm £19million for a museum promoting a faliure the day after Britain announces the first tranche of cuts to the Armed Forces who's predecessors enable a free Europe, but the museum(?) will start from year Zero(1946) which is what another dictator(Pol Pot) used when he ruined his country. History repeating itself? or another example of how Britain should get out of the EU as soon as possible
Another useless idea from the high temple of nonsense, waste, fraud, and sheer incompetence the EU thiefdom in Brussels. Why do we have to put up with this abuse of our money for something we can ill afford and will ultimately get nothing back from? The United Kingdom already has a history and we already know a great deal about the rest of European history. There's plenty of literature about it in the public domain. No suprise then that our chinless wonders MEPs and the other buffoons in Wesminster care not for us exept when there's something in it for them. UKIP, you must promote yourselves for more than you already do because this nation needs you now more than ever before!
I can't believe it, a project from the EU going over budget. I expect all those honest caring MEPs will forgo some of their expenses to make up the shortfall.
£136.5m is nothing in the context of the EU budget. We should be proud to be European and a museum is the perfect way to teach our children and grandchildren about the sacrifices made to create and build the EU. I for one cannot wait to visit it.
Why oh Why do we persist with these numb skulls ? What has this Country come too ? It's making the AV appear attractive if it means different people can get into the 'Mad House' called Parliament. However I fear we are stuck with the Idiots we've got. I can hear 'Dad's Army' " We're doomed, I say we're doomed!"
How long do we have to put up being ruled by this bunch of money wasting, mindless, MORONS/BUFFOONS
Reason to leave the EU No. 1005 !
.......... they say a picture paints a thousand words.... 3rd picture down.... says it all really doesn't it.
Chicken feed !
Come on Cameron - can you not see the wood for the trees and get us out of this dys-functional organization.
what history ? the french version? the german version?? get us out of that mad house now Cameron!!
Typical Eur-nonsense, and the fact that the history in it is wrong and edited to serve the EU's own propaganda just confirms this. Perhaps we can spend money on actually teaching our own children this country's wonderful varied and long history ? As opposed to the anti-British, pc, cultural Marxist version they currently get.
Idiots spending the money of equally idiotic people who sign up to this fiasco.
Ditch the EU - and Scotland.
this is the way these EU clowns will rewrite history and cancel out individual countrys history, disgusting we should not be included in this
So, this museum is to be built to promote - `an awareness of European identity`. I would ask. - Who in Britain and Europe is not aware of this corrupt organisation and would gladly like to see the back of it? Surely, Marta Andreasen of Ukip and her opinion of this forthcoming monstrosity, must have the feeling`s of most the British people behind her. More power to her elbow and less pushing and promoting of the EU by this coalition bunch. Tom. - Wishful thinker -.
If it hasn't been built yet don't bother , money saved simple.
The only answer to the EU excessive spending is to have a referendum. Dave and Nick will never allow this. Perhaps the answer is to act like the Arab states rebellion!
No wonder our political elitist dictators don't want to give us a referendum on our continued EU membership
So what is the betting that this museum will portray Britain's history (and especially England's) in a very poor light! Our history will be distorted to brand us as aggressors in Europe, against the poor Spanish, Dutch, French and Russians - not to mention our treatment of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Also our crucial role in WW2 will be downplayed and made to be totally insignificant. The only countries in Europe that seem to appreciate our great efforts in securing their freedom are the Netherlands and Norway.
We are NOT Europeans, we are BRITISH ISLANDERS, Calling Brits European is like calling New Zealanders Australian, Madagascans african, Sri Lankans Indian or Japan Chinese. Europe is a collection of failed old world states whose only connection to Britain has usually involved conflict with us either defeating or Liberating them. In this very week when there is much debate about NHS reform I note that the WEEKLY cost of our membership of the EU is the same cost as building a new super hospital. We need to get out of the EU and save a fortune, they will still trade with us as we are one of their biggest customers, but we could then also re-establish links with the Commonwealth and once again acess affordable food and other products.
How can any museum celebrate European history without reference to the several thousand years before 1946?
It's worse than just a waste of money - this museum will be used to brainwash a generation of European schoolchildren; into believing that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread; and that it doesn't matter that the EU a completely undemocratic dictatorship.
REFERENDEM.........REFERENDEM ASAP!!
These Eurocrats are a bunch of twits who try to justify their non-jobs by thinking up useless schemes for everyone else to pay for. They can't even agree on when "Europe" began and seem to see Europe only as a modern concept centred around Brussels and Strasbourg, rather than as a Continent which has been fighting itself for countless millenia. I've never heard of anything so foolish. (April 1st was last week, wasn't it?)
This is yet another reason for us to get out of this madhouse. What I do not understand is all this money the EU gets. and no way will they have there books looked at. I think they should be made to, after all its not there money they are spending and if all the EU Countries demanded that the books be examined they would have to that do. Unless of course they are all on the fiddle. ;lol
So only european history after 1945 will be shown. All of the really significant euro history happened between 1914 and 1945. And another thing, will the track owners like Nurburgring be happy for Scalextric to install slots in their historical circuits, or have I missed something?
I bet they're only guessing what it will cost, or has cost. Have the EU accounts been processed yet ?
It amazes me how quickly we can have a referendum when the government thinks it can brainwash the British public again over the way we vote. I see no reason to change, but would seriously ask why we have not had a referendum on the occasions we have been sold down the river by the EU bureaucrats. We have come a very long way from a trade agreement to a dictatorial institution that is benefiting greedy businesses, fiddling Euro and Countries MPs, and holding up lame duck countries, that will take all they can get but offer nothing beneficial in return. We have been sold a lame duck policy, again and again, we demand our rights to have our say (for a change).
Also remember where the jobs will be created too. It certainly will not be Britain or British workers building it! Vote UKIP and we can get out of this One party Napoleonic Riech dictatorship. We are all becoming enslaved to the darkside without any say.
I do not want my hard earned money being wasted on this big failure, the EU project. When will policiticans get a backbone and stand up for the majority of ordinary citizens in this country and give us a say on whether we stay in the EU. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE EU, SO INSTEAD OF WASTING MONEY ON GIVING US A VOTE ON THE AV SYSTEM, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A VOTE ON OUR EU MEMBERSHIP. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You only have to look at Greece to see what state that country is in to see ONE SIZE FITS ALL DOES NOT WORK. I used to love to holiday in the Greek Islands but not now the vile, evil EU has got it's claws in to. The Euro project is one big failure.
Its to be called the "George Orwell 1984 Museum".......history will be how we write it and not as it actually was - despicable - yet more money for Europe when we are barely managing to live off crumbs in the UK - Same as giving Libya guns, then going in and stopping them using them - its time for us to step back before we merge into the EU and become another faceless entity - why wont the Government appreciate that the citizens of the UK want to stay that way - we do not want to be known as Europeans - soon our history will be rewritten to suit MPs too.....
You couldn't make it up!! Unbelievable.
If one penny off british tax payers money is spent on this project, its nothing more than theft off tax payers money by are corrupt government. The £19,000,000 should be spent on something in the UK, not for the use off foriegners.
The EU - an organisation without a history, and, hopefully, without a future.
Plutocracy (Rule by the rich) has reached it's peak. Their arrogance, greed and vanity know no bounds. We're going down, in the age of Austerity, and they will be brought down too. By people power, who are becoming ever more enraged. We'll root them out in their tax havens or wherever they may be, there will be no hiding place. The sooner the better.
Disgraceful. When will these parasites stop thinking they are entitled to British tax payer money. We have absolutely no accountability, no respect and no judgement when it comes to handling tax payer money. And this is just the start of the cost rises, mark my words.
Not ONE cent to the idiots in Brussels. You want this monstrocity, then pay for it. And whilst you're at it, as you are so keen on people in the UK having human rights, we'll brind them over to do the building for you. You can feed, house and look after them.
We all have to demand a Referendum at every general election to get us out of the EU.
Another reason not to keep contributing to the EU. Are our MP's (Mindless Persons). so thick to be able to understand that the British tax-payer connot keep affording the EU.
We absolutely deserve all we get from the EU. What other country would be so idiotic as to keep people in power who support this?
Why do we have to keep sending money to these stupid people building stupid useless things? If they want to indulge themselves, let them pay for it themselves.
The first act of any controlling authoritiy, is to rewrite and edit it's History.
The sooner this rediculous idea is knocked on the head the better. The British Government has far more use for £19,000,000 than to have it wasted on this EU monstrosity. Can you imagine any EU member wanting anything detrimental to their country being shown? I cannot see there being a section of European war mongers, that would upset the Germans, the Italians and the French if Hitler, Mussolini or Bonapart's part in major wars was brought up. This will be nothing but a self congratulations to all EU members memorial, nothing more, and, given the way that all EU projects get out of control it will probably end up costing many time the original costing. Get rid of it now, before building starts.
Nice to know we can afford to spend all this money when Europe not only Britain is on the brink of bankruptcy. Have they done an audit of their books yet?
What a waste of money in these difficult times. It will be interesting to see exactly whose version of history will be "exibited". But should this project go ahead at all, costs are sure to at least double again, whilst our Britrish museums are suffering accute financial hardship. It is to these museums that our money should be going.
This is proof of how the arrogant EU does not give a damn over how they spend their money. To Germany: Please, please please stop having a war guilt attitude and pull out, then this corrupted and incompetent organization will collapse.
YEAH AND YOU DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS..... WHO HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME.....
JUST HAVE TO VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
This is the Labour Party's legacy. All the main parties are committed to the status quo, only UKIP seem to be willing to make a change.
Why have these people been put through the ATOS system? this government put the elderly, terminally ill the disabled through one hell of a farcical process to asses their eligibility for benefits most had to go to appeal as the Health Care Professionals where given a financial inducement to fail a given number, yet these people trawl into the u.k....supplied with translators, benefits clearly explained, forms filled out for them, no:1 priority for housing.......... Where's the English people help in all this??? ask I.D.S. + Company. RED ARROW THIS DM YOU WONT/DONT LIKE PRINTING THE TRUTH.
This is why our country is on its knees.Vote U.K.I.P its the only way to get our country back.
Cheers Tone. Thanks for nothing.
NOTE.... The Australians do not cost much.... and it is now so hard for Australians to move to the UK....BUT former axis enemies can just waltz in and get every conceivable benefit there is. MMmmmmm who won the war? mmmm.
UKIP VOTE UKIP How worse can it BE? This story makes me spit blood
The bottom line is this,,,,, We are getting screwed and the people who are responsible for doing it are our own politicians. If you want to stop being shafted then vote for new politicians or it will continue as the present lot really don't care.
Our only hope is UKIP this is getting out of hand can't wait for the next election day Nigel your defo getting my vote.
Are you reading this Jamie Oliver?
I'm born and bred in England and have to prove i earn 18,600 to bring my Canadian wife here...so two non Brits have more rights than me it seems in my own country...all wrong
Does this mean that my £23 a week pension is all that I get after working all those years in England??? Maybe I should become a benefits tourist and see if it improves.
I am a Brit, born and bred. Worked all my life until 6 years ago, some 35 years paying all taxes and NI. Left the UK for some sunshine, but chose not to stay in Europe. End result? If I come home, which I may have to if the Middle East does not calm down (and I do not have a regular salary tax free), if I am forced to return to the UK, I can get no benefits at all! None, no job seekers, no housing benefit, no free health care, I cannot even see a GP without having to pay privately. I am a Brit, fully paid up and reports like this really get to me! It explains why every time I get a bit nearer pension age, they increase it.
When I moved to France, I had to produce bank statements and documentation to show that I was self supporting...why does the UK not do this????????
This hurts me!!! It cuts my vain!
Too easy for them - make them pay their own way or get out,
What on earth can we do to get these so called political idiots to LISTEN to us, The people are crying out to be heard, Nobody is listening, SO to get our voice heard, VOTE U.K.I P. I cannot see any other way, They are our only chance to change BRITAIN..
Go to Woodgreen it's full of them
Time to start the big reversal
More leeches to include on your Tax Returns under 'DEPENDENTS'!
Change the free movement rules if a citizen of another country claims benefits or healthcare from here or a different country that country can claim the money back from the country they are from. Would save billions.
Yes but the bring so much from their country to ours! Mainly it's their debt. We need to get out of the EU and start getting this country back to how it was before they were letting any poor member of the club in.
Nigel Farage is one of the few politicians that are right about Syria,benifits and the EU I reckon it will be only a matter of time before UKIP is the third largest party in the UK
GET THEM OUT!
Anyone not voting UKIP next chance?
WELL DONE LABOUR..
KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU
Keep up the good work Dave, your playing right into Nigels hands, he and his party are getting closer to governing our country with every decision you make.
In the end those of who work will be starving in order to feed those who live off us. Never, in the history of our nation, has such cruelty been perpetrated against the British people. God help us.
Soon you will turn into Canada where we are taxed to death!!!!! This is all to the people that move to a country that has good social benefits like being paid money for having children. These people move and just sit and live for free while the hard working class pays for their life long vacation. Not to mention their population grows, they try to change the societies rules and spread their religion!!! I hope your government is different than ours!
some of u are saying the Syrian chemical attack is propaganda, then I guess this story is too.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
This has been going on for years now and nothing is done. Forget Syria and Ian and tackle the real problems that the normal englishman has to endure every day. We arer eally not as generous and soft as david would like us to be.
"I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life." - sorry to rubbish this comment but my friend has lived in Spain for 30 years and with regard to the benefits system there this isn't true. Firstly you are expected to pay into their system for 5 years. If you are made redundant, by law the company has to give you 2 years salary as a payoff. You then get unemployment benefit for up to 2 years if you have made 5 years contributions, after that you are on your own. No job and you don't eat, it's as simple as that. My friend was made redundant 3 years ago and used his redundancy money to start a language school when his dole ran out. He is English and cannot believe how easy the benefits system is over here, his partner's husband left her with a 14 month old baby and she told me there are virtually NO benefits for single mothers in Spain so she had no option but to go back to work.
It needs to be taken out of MPs salaries, not the rest of us poor peoples!!!
So the scrounger rhetoric and attacks on disabled benefits was done out of ignorance of true facts, wonderful. I hope the govt intend to apologise to those whose lives they have severely had an impact on with their propoganda. Nothing like the truth is there.
Forget UKIP. They are a load of wimps. Be PROUD of your beliefs and vote for that other ultra-right wing party.
Keep paying suckers, I had enough and emigrated years ago!
It will have doubled by the end of next year. The UK has become the world's dustbin. Time for action.
Sink the ship.
Is it any wonder,the country is in such a mess?It isn't just Benefits,the largess covers:Housing,education,NHS,GPs,Social Services etc,etc,and we have more to come in 2014.Happy New Year.
why not give them benefits equal to what they would revieve in their own country and recoup from that said country?
41% in 5 years..peanuts ! compared what it will be in the NEXT year.
only in this pathetic, useless cowardly nation can this abuse happen. No wonder everyone laughs at us. Cameron needs to concentrate on this rather than Syria
Does anyone know how these EU treaties work? Is it possible for unemployed British people to go to Germany or Denmark for example and get benefits there? They would be a lot higher there but have not heard of anyone doing it. Surely if we have to pay benefits to EU citizens here, UK citizens would be able to get benefits in EU countries.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27 I am sure you are a nice, charming, simple person, but your ignorant simplicity is beyond belief.
This is out of control, when will someone have the balls to do something about it.
AND TO THINK THAT DAVIE BOY WANTS TO SOLVE SYRIA'S PROBLEMS WHEN HE CANNOT SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF THIS COUNTRY - ROLL ON UKIP
VOTE NIGEL, VOTE UKIP, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Just why are we supporting these people, we must be the only country in the world you can arrive in and be given handouts. The welfare state was never meant to be abused in this way. Is there no one in government who has the backbone to stop it?
are we just going to sit back and take this ??
Is either the EU or the NHS being Privitised. I know that I want!
Come on Conservatives! You keep complaining about what Labour did to the country, but you've barely done anything to fix it.
Utter madness, it is because of such things that I vote UKIP, because they will put a stop to this madness, so come on people, vote UKIP..!!!
You have two choices in 2015: Vote UKIP or, get more of this. That is it.
Absolutely shocking that we have stooped so low as to be the dumping ground of the world. We have to bring down this government and get Nigel Farage to sort things out. No-one else will do it.
Why do we let them in if they can't support themselves? And why is our government such a pathetic soft touch?
Totally fed up with facts like this. Anyone else?
We all knew this didn't we......That's why we are backing UKIP.....
YEAH AND ALL BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME..... TREAT THEM THE SAME!
I'm an ex pat living in Canada who worked in the UK for many years. My pension that I paid into is frozen and will never increase as pensioners in the UK , USA , and EU countries get their increases. However it irks me to read just how many non UK nationals get millions in benefits and have never contributed to the system. I'm hurt and confused by such crazy double standards that doesn't allow ex pats in commonwealth countries the same benefits as those in other countries, or even those with no ties to the UK! I feel like a second class Brit! Homesick Vancouver Island
i am simply FEDUP. both my husband and i have worked full time for some 30-40 years, but when he was made redundant in his early 60s, other than 6 months of jobseekers allowance, we have not been able to get any help at all as we have been careful and paid for our house and i have my pension!? when will it be more fair, that those who have paid into the system should benefit not all and sundry who are just benefits tourists...
Perhaps Jamie Oliver could employ them all
I know of an Italian man ,who went to the UK 10 years ago, worked for a few months, and gave up working to travel around the country living with men he had met on the internet, and sometimes even going abroad to live with them for short periods .He isn't working, and in the past only has kept down jobs for very short periods of time. He gets unemployment pay, free healthcare and housing allowance, even though he lives with a "partner" who is a house owner. Would UK citizens get these payments if they decided they would like to live in Italy ??
MADNESS _ The only ones who have the answer to it are UKIP
I think we are being well and truly shafted, with the consent and endorsement of our own politicians.
stand by for tax increases and fuel tax to go up to pay for this and the syrian madness.
Everyone, come to Britain and get a FREE HOLIDAY! All you have to do, is turn up, and when you run out of money, they will give you accommodation, food and spending money. For as long as you want.
When will somebody put a stop to this madness? If Cameron put as much time and effort into dealing with this monumental problem as he does into gathering support for his attacks on Syria, then maybe the British public would be happier!
The British government is too spineless to stand up for this country in case anyone is offended. Why can't they remember that they were elected to fight for what's best for Britain, not for what's best for those who want to come here.
So much for cracking down on benefit seekers. The only thing that will save the UK is a revolution and mass hanging of politicos.
Well we're all to blame for this for just sitting back and sulking about it as it's easier than marching every day. British grit yeah right!!
the end is nigh
The USA is the land of the free the UK is the land of the freebee.
Oh but remember the rhetoric "they're good for the country" my question is Which Country???
Margaret Thatcher's infamous 1978 statement that Britain was ¿being swamped by alien cultures¿. 1978!!!! the warning signs were there almost 40 years ago!
We have to stop this migration. And we need real politicians who are prepared to do that and defy these ill-considered EU diktats.
As a pensioner [ war pensioner at that ] I could see it coming, and that prat wants to get us involved in Syria, give me strength. Please,please vote UKIP and so get us out of the EU and Convention of Human Rights, I've only got a few more years, but at least I feel I would die free as I was born free. gizzie vote UKIP
The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians . - Beth , Kent, 29/8/2013 Third rate? You rate them too highly.
Vote UKIP
RE.....This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!! - paulsmith , sheffield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 ...........Actually Paul they've ignored us for so long now I believe it's our only option. I class myself as a decent person but my forefathers fought and died for this country and their will be nothing left for my child so I feel rioting is our only way forward.
No-one should be able to claim benefits until they have contributed for a minimum of 1 year.
Utter and total madness. Where will it all end? When we are completely bankrupt.
Same happening anywhere else in western Europe, only option, close borders again, it can't happen quick enough. 2014 will be even worse...
No British passport = no benefit, simple as that
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership.
I dare not write my comment
Government has made it too easy to apply for benefits, no wonder the country is struggling. They need to get independent assessors involved. Even the job centre gives out advice telling them to go to the doctor with some pain to get a sick note. Its fully known, that people from the EU come and get the benefits and spend most of their time back in their own country but getting hand outs from here. There is no stamping of the passport for entry and leaving the country either, therefore it is not known whether they are actually in the country or not. Unfortunately this reflects badly on the people who are from the EU who genuinely want to work.
This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!!
And the vast majority will have never contributed a penny....................
Marek, 12:47 = Correct.
one thing for sure DAVE will not tackle the problem U K I P will
EU workers are coming in truck loads every day and that guy in charge is busy preparing for a war, what a joke!
Reports like this drive me mad We have worked hard all our lives and now in retirement still pay taxes because we saved for our old age. Our children have always worked and are now struggling to educate their children at university and yet these people can come here and get and expect handouts. The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians .
Steve, 12:38 = Or like me its their day off, maybe you have no job after all look at the time you posted.
what is asia and middle east? show them under separate category as they are in no way related
We all know that it's wrong so why don't the government do something about it?
Sooo this we know but what is the government doing about it?? Never mind Syria this should take president!!
vote UKIP, split the Tory vote and let Labour back in? You got to be joking. Labour created this mess to start with
What is the saying about, "Shutting the stable door ?", the UK's should have been locked before the EU opened it.
VOTE UKIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they come here; they breed adding work to the NHS; claim child benefits....then their children are British...clever isn't it...doesn't take a lot to work out the logic
400,000 doesnt sound a lot right? Check this out. Quick Calc per year - assuming each are jobless for one year. 400,000 people x £56 pw per person x 4.4 weeks in a month (average) = £1176 million a year job seekers + housing benefit of at least £400 (pp average) = 160 million tax credits £150 each child (say 2) £1440 million + lack of tax as they wont be working = £1000 (a conservative guess) = £400 million + Use of NHS, Doctors, Schools = 10-30k each = 12,000 million = £15,000 Million , or £15 billion wasted on nothing but unwanted unskilled workers? All for skilled labor, but we cant even train our own youth. I need to say no more. Simple as this - No contributing, no taking. Stay here for 5 years a minimum before even claiming the most basic of allowances. We are not the Homeless Hostel of Europe. We ned to protect ourselves against our own goverment, and the EU. I think i speak for everybody here!!
Tell us something we don't already know!!
Absolutely disgusting, get them out .................. vote UKIP
Not long before Brits are a minority
AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
@ 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published beca
It's easy..... UKIP. Fours letters!
Must be the only country in the world that welcomes anyone in without a job or savings and have more rights than a Brit .... I'm British and have to prove income of 18,600 to have my Canadian wife here
Here we go again; the same old story. You'd think a democratically elected government would, say on behalf of the citizens that vote and keep them in their jobs, ensure that nobody is allowed to settle here unless they are able to support themselves and would have to consequently sign a document understanding that no benefits are payable for 10 years. If a government is there on behalf of the taxpayers then what's the problem. My guess is they've got themselves tied up in human rights laws of which they did'nt have a clue about in the first place.I wonder, sometimes, what really is the point of voting.
Let Jamie Oliver take them on he seems to like employing them.
VOTE UKIP!!!
ONE ANSWER, UKIP
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.- Alex, Mansfield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:28.........People in need that can afford weapons are not starving. They just need to get their priorities right.
The figures does not include the child related benefits for non-resident children living in Eastern Europe. To speed up the payments the last Liebour government paid these benefits into Bank Accounts in Eastern Europe without verification because the checking system was returning blanks or taking far too long.
We need to wake up, we are in a decent into poverty we cant even imagine, look at japan 10.5 trillion in debt and that country could go under at any time taking everything with it, look at boston look at california, look on you tube, do your research.... This will not end well and our governments are just trying to hide the reality.. Vote with your feet avoid places that use a labour force you don''t approve of, I need a dentist but cant find an English one, I refuse to use anyone else.. I only support English workers.. If you don't like the banking system use it to pay the bills and take every other penny out, get a safe, make your mark before its to late although I believe it already is....
Whilst punishing our OWN.
Don't how they come here and claim , my wife is Canadian and we have to prove I work with income 18,600.... I must be doing something wrong
Who is this headline not 500.000 FORIGN scroungers shirkers and idle layabouts not the headline here?
Chuck them all out.
£1,000,000,000 / 400,000 = £2,500 and NOT £480,000! So BILLIONS is quite possible Dave HULL 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper. - Lisa, Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56
Come the next general election most people will still vote for the party's responsible for this and doing nothing about it. How many of those having a moan are still going to vote lib/lab/con? you vote for these politicians so blame yourself , or do something about it and VOTE UKIP.
THis is where the Government should be making there cuts, Not punishing its own people to pay for people that have no right to take out money in benefits. Thats why they all flock here there thousands. Free ride and they dont even have to work who wouldnt do it.
Don't forget the big issue sellers who class themselves as self employed so they can get into the UK in the first place.
LUNACY
Dear left, Up yours for running this country into the ground, I live in hope the revolution is just around the corner.
I don't think people understand! This political system is in place to destroy the UK. I know its hard to believe or get your head round it, but just what has and is happening to our country. YOU HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY!
When the dust settles on the Syria issue, this story needs to be headline news. Labour need a good "bashing" on this issue and Cameron needs to explain what he has been doing for the last 3 years! I call on Godfrey Bloom to make a "colourful comment" to bring the issue to the public attention!
I am from Eastern Europe and I totally get why you British get angry. It's way too easy to get benefits in the UK. I met people who who came here just to apply for benefits and now live a great life back in their countries getting money from the UK. I really hope that the UK government sorts this out. It's not fair!!!
We need to stop paying benefits to new arrivals and make sure that they have paid into the system for 2 years before we start paying benefits.
Thats between £50-£70 being spent each week on these people. This could have so many of OUR people who are dying of thirst in hospitals. Hire a few extra staff, pay for more police men on our streets to make it safer.
So it turns out the "old" Westen Europe draws way more benefits from the UK than Easten Europe and there's never a word about them, oh I forgot, they are a better class of people.
Can anybody tell me, what other countries, anywhere in the world, pays out non-contributory benefits? I think that the answer id NONE!
What is so difficult about just turrning the clock back - and everything with it - to pre EU?
I just hope to NEVER again see the day that Labour are back in power being the catalyst for all this migration in the first place
LEAVE EU NOW!
I think if you are applying for benefits within a year of arriving you should be given a one way ticket home not benefits for the next x years.
I wish I could wind back the clock , not ever worked paid tax or had my own home .... if only I had known ...
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here. - hammy, Ayr, 29/8/2013 12:32 Interesting! Where do you live??
'How are they allowed to settle in this country with not job or means of support'. Ask your LIEBOR party, they are the ones who signed up to this, not to mention the EU Human Rights Bill. 'Teflon' Tony's Legacy. You have noticed he DOESN'T live in this country now HE, screwed it up.
the only power in politics the working class has is the vote, remember this when it comes next.
These anti-welfare comments were written during working hours, which means the people commenting haven't got a job, or have got a job but have such a poor work ethic they would rather waste time surfing the net.
Why not make the process of signing onerous on the recipient with randomly generated appointments (via SMS) that requires a recipient to attend an interview within 60 mins, 3 non-shows and no benefits. We have to get tough with the process it is not an endless pit of money!
UKIP
man up someone sort this mess out !!!! it will only get worse ..... help Nigel help !
i could rant on but gets me het up worked since 15 and still wating for my pension
in germany you would not grant the citizenship if you ever claimed . all other europeans coutries only pay benefit for 6 months so why britain is different than the other EU. its not their (claimants ) fault if British like to handout generously and its not illegal so what is the big fuss about
I quiet fancy 10 days in 'others and unknown'........must pop down to the jobless centre and see what they can cobble together !!
Well underestimated, like all Government figures.... we need the money to Bomb Syria back to the stoneage.... Oh they want to live in stoneage, sorry
Read Richard Littlejohn's advice to John Redwood when he was after the leadership all those years ago.That would win ANY election.
And more and more are arriving..Meanwhile hospitals and A and E units are closing, takes two weeks to get an appointment to see a GP(outrageous!!), waiting at A and E is in excess of 5 hours and soon they will be closing, hospital car parking is ridiculously expensive....etc etc...and war is on the horizon....politicians and leaders have a lot to answer for....and the electorate keep voting them in again and again....I will vote UKIP.. They can't be any worse.
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here.
@PMC Incapacity Benefit is indeed means-tested, but it has been abolished and replaced by ESA, which can be contributory or non-contributory.
This government and the last have made a right mess, ruined our way of life, its disgusting what they have done to us, that is why from now own I will always vote UKIP
I wonder of I went to live on another country, lets say Spain...... Would I be entitled to any benefits or housing?! Hmmmm I'm thinking probably not!
As I know, all the people claimed for any kinds of benefits need to check them legal identity and qualify for the benefit system accepted, otherwise it will decline automatically. I think it's not right to criticize anyone or government, because the benefit system set up must be approved and followed by law legally.
It is staggering how this situation has been allowed to develop. This should be headline news, not risking further loss of British lives in areas that don't and will never want us and our form of democracy. Remove from the UK anyone who has entered the UK in the last 50 years and not paid in or cannot prove they have benefited the country in some meaningful way.
I wish I had never worked or paid tax or NI that's a bloody fact!
think all eyes will be on you mr farage to sort out the stupidity of the other 3 parties that have failed there country.
Look on the bright side. If every single one of them is on benefits, they can't be taking any of our jobs.
if you get more sitting home why work ?
Put private investigators in charge of looking for anyone working in the offices of these government departments helping the many get benefits that shouldn't even be in the country.
Yet my disable wife with 3 major back operations, living on a cocktail of drugs, who hasn't slept a full night for twenty years because of the pains gets not a penny even though she has worked since leaving school 35 years ago. What a sh*/te country.
athaidream , Don Mueang-Bangkok, 29/8/2013 11:51.....You can not blame Labour (it is still happening under the Conservatives) As hondonroy , alicante, Spain, 29/8/2013 11:57 points out neither can you blame the EU as Spain is in the EU and will not pay benefit to anyone who has not contributed to the System !
well if your govt keeps giving it like candy, it will be taken...like candy! I feel sorry for you Brits!
NOBODY should be allowed to come in from another country and claim UK benefits/taxes, no debate end of story.
Incapacity benefit is only payable to people who have been in work and paid their NI contributions. Same for contribution-related JSA. If they've worked and paid their stamps, they are as entitled as anyone else and it's not a "handout". Half the story as usual from the DM.
How come NON EU citizens get benefits?..seems to be a come one, come all get your free money here.
The truth is our Country is near bankrupt ,we do not have the money for this,but the political establishment is so far out of touch with reality as to be a danger to every Man/Woman/Child in our Country,the Con/Lab/Lib are unfit for purpose,the only hope left is UKIP.!!!
Thanks again Tony, for destroying this country. Your legacy ' to change the social structure of the country' lives on......how can you sleep at night?
surprise surprise, no sign of this story on the BBC!
How and why were they allowed to settle in this country if they have no job or means of support?
we would not get anything in their country, one day this country may be ruled by British people FOR British people instead of making us live by other countries rules that accommodate what seems like everyone except us .... and don't get me started on the joke that is called British Law....
and the government seems quite happy for this ROBBERY to continue.this and the tax avoidance from companies is destroying the living standards of the british because of the tax burden that only they pay . its a national disgrace and only UKIP will do anything to stop it.
the truth is out they are scroungers
Yawn. It's a lovely day. A nice pub lunch is called for. Wonder if that good-looking, polite, hard-working, always cheerful "newcomer" barmaid will be working today.
Surprise surprise!! We all knew this was coming but the government was in denial.
time to scrap all welfare payments
Why weren't we consulted.....its...OUR..bloody money they are giving away.
Personaly I think if you come to this country in any shape form or way you shouldn't be entiled to claime for the first at least four years, If you come here either have enough money to support yourself saved OR have a garantour in this country like Australia do , I also don't just mean beneifits I think this should apply to medical, school etc..
Really!! Well knock me down with a feather
can't wait to get to Britain with my 26 kids
Absolutely disgusting.
It depends what benefits we are talking about here - eg housing benefit, tax credits for working people and so on. After all only 3% of the total benefit bill goes on the full time unemployed. Most people who claim some form of benefits are actually in work, but low paid. And besides, there are very strict criteria for benefit entitlement. So: this is needless scaremongering, effectively propaganda.
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win. - Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53 ------- Wrong Steve, the Tory voters are too stupid to realise that they will split the UKIP vote and let Labour win.
More good (not!!) and possibly related news: "Net migration to the UK increased in the year ending December 2012, the Office for National Statistics says.Latest figures show net migration rose to 176,000 - up from 153,000 people in the year to September 2012". --BBC News Online.
Vote UKIP.mnot going to post a comment I because DM never print itf freedom of speech is now gone.
I live in Spain and I can tell you that you CANNOT CLAIM ANY MONEY from the state if you have not got a job or you are incapacitated unless you have PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and that's a FACT.So all you MP'S get off your LAZY BACKSIDES do your job properly, keep out of the commons bars and EARN your keep or believe me you will REAP what you SOW at the next election if the BRITISH PUBLIC have got any B**LS.
On pay day I may as well just open my window, take most of my pay, and throw it outside.
Aren't 99.99% of Brits on benefits?
This is not your money Cameron! Its us tax payers
I hope those who voted LibLabCon aren't complaining
UKIP PLEASE end this madness. Clearly Cons and Leibor cant.
UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! There is no other way!!
DM, why is this not headline news? This should be on the front page of EVERY paper, not in page 5 etc. Come on DM lets get this debate in parliament going, lets get the politicians talking about this, and explaining to the british people what they are gonna do about it?
This is something more important that's needing sorted out, rather than trying to start up yet another war! Priorities?
Would all Labour voters please put their hands up and identify themselves as being the people top blame for this farcical situation. NO benefits until you have lived in the UK and paid tax and NI for at least 5 years,NO exceptions.
IfCameron can find the zip to get his warmongering camouflage off - - there is work to be done little fella. Get on with it or resign.
How politicians can sleep i don't know. This utter madness ha got to stop.....UKIP UKIP UKIP!
stop housing and free nhs and stop benefits to these scroungers,i resent my taxes paying these people
When I sponsored my husband for his spouse visa 13 years ago he got a great big stamp in his passport which said "NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS" and my son is presently sponsoring his wife for a spouse visa and he has to prove that he can support her and has suitable housing for her so she will not need to claim benefits (which she does not want to do anyhow) How come all these people can even get benefits?? Seems one rule for one and one for another...
TIME WE GOT OUT OF THE EU DONT YA THINK? STUPID IDEA GOING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TONY BLAIR N HIS ILK HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR THATS FOR SURE. THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THESE ALIENS COMING INTO A COUNTRY THAT CAN ILL AFFORD BENEFITS FOR OUR OWN PENSIONERS ETC. TIME FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AS WELL, VOTE UKIP, SEE HOW THEY GET ON, HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN CAMERHOLIDAYEVERYWEEKON.
I could never understand why countries were still lining up to join the EU when it seemed to be such a train wreck. Now it becomes crystal clear what the 'benefits' of membership are...........
And these people get exactly the most they can get because they have translators who know how the system works. A British person has to fill in the form their self so they get more then you as we have no one to help us who know how to work the system.
lib/lab/con not fit for purpose. time for change. vote DOPE Death Of Political Elite
stop all benefits for people who were not born here.
Makes me sick... Thats all
Nobody pay benfits just like that, you must prove you are resident. DM article is pure twaddle as usual.
I think we should give them even more money so they can buy houses/flats and then eventually find jobs, This is the only way the economy will grow.
Jamie Oliver has vacancies. Minimum wage and all the scraps you can eat. Non Britons preferred.
This I think you'll probably find is the real reason the welfare state is failing , time now for IDS to stop his one man crusade against the sick and disabled of the country and started addressing this problem instead.
so now the truth is out they come here to scrounge
Like that's a suprise?
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - GrahamC, Dorset, 29/8/2013 6:14... When people stop voting for CON/LAB/LIB idiots.. Only then do we stand a chance of saving this once Great Country.
Years ago you had to have paid into the system for at least one year to qualify for any benefit . My brother was ill and tried to claim because he couldn't work, mum was told that he was her responsibility as he didn't have enough stamps, she only received £4.50 a week widows pension - the rates on the house were £5.00 per week. So, how come these people can claim anyway .
"400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.- Lisa , Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56">>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.............Lisa.......... I take it maths wasn't your strong suit in School? 400,000 people each receiving say £10,000 a year would be £4 billion. to quote you:-" Shame on you!"
If you or your parents haven't paid IN then you should get nothing OUT. End of.
And here is me struggling to pay childcare for my son. Unbelievable!
And Mr Carney says that interests rates wont rise until unemployment is at a sensible level well with millions coming here each year the you can say goodbye to any reasonale interest rates as the new comers are all unemployed thats why they get benefits.
VOTE UKIP
Lisa , Rochdale ........do your maths again , a billion these days is one thousand million. Just put a paltry three zeros on 400,000 and see what you get .
Time we had decent government, someone who will listen to the people, enough is enough. Politicians like Boris would bring loads more if he could. Totally mad!
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now - george , cornwall, 29/8/2013 10:55 ------ Sadly true my friend.
LEECHES, they have Contributed NOTHING, yet they expect EVERYTHING. VOTE UKIP and End this Madness.
Outrageous and should be addressed urgently. What right do these people think they have to funding by our own taxpayers. A total disgrace.
No surprises there then! It's all SO predictable. Mass migration on the scale allowed by Labour was bound to lead to this because UK benefits are SO generous and easily available. UKIP is the only answer now.....
One word - "OUTRAGEOUS!"
SORT THIS PROBLEM OUT-NOT SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple vote UKIP these traitors will never get my vote again!
So our pensioners who have worked and dutifully paid their taxes will be surviving on a pittance whilst people with no ties to the country will receive benefits greater than our pensioners. Our once great and fair country has been destroyed by self serving traitorous politicians who do not give one jot for the people.
Until 3 years ago I was under the impression, along with millions of other women, that I would be receiving my state pension at 60. I must now wait until I am 66 despite the fact that at 60 I shall have 41 years of NI contributions. For a full state pension, 35 years is required. Why then, must people in my situation have to carry on for another 6 years to qualify? At this rate the workers will never get their pension as it will have all gone to the increasing numbers of people coming in.
If I were an employer I would have to pay a heavy penalty if they found out that I employed people with no right to work here, but by the same token my corporation tax has increased in order to support these people. It looks like either way an employer is always at a disadvantage.
Shut the gates now!!! and anyone who's moved here in the last 3 years - even those who've had families need to go back to their own country. It's the only solution.
I trust IDS will get to the bottom of this but we must back him.
So now we know where all the benefits are going.They say the British are benefit scroungers, here is proof.
We should ask all of them to help us fight wars see how quick they leave mate !!
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 (Not 480,000) a year for it to be 1 billion ... where did you go to school?
how about giving them the same benefits they would recieve from their own country, and 'claim' from the said country. When one complains, you can argue that they ae not being persecuted in this country!
I find it rather difficult to believe these figures reason being, to the best of my knowledge, you'll need to have an indefinite stay to claim whatever benefits. Otherwise, your visa clearly states 'No recourse to public funds'. So how do these ones get these said benefits they aren't entitled to? I was on maternity leave for 9 months and didn't collect a penny from the government. Simply because my visa says no recourse to public funds ! I have NEVER claimed a dime from whatever source either cos I know I'm not entitled to them. So where do all these come from? How do pple who aren't eligible get them? I think you lot should be asking the authority some real questions. Sorry for the long post.
People voted for Politicians, but please do the right choice again voting with your eyes open widely!
I thought they were all hard working, more so than people in the UK apparently (according to the DM and it's majority readership) and were prepared to do any job for peanuts that was being refused by the British? Don't believe the media people, we all know the truth, we can see it for ourselves because there are thousands of them hanging about in city centres all day long.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
I understand people who live within the EU can claim benefits, but why are people from the rest of the world? I thought if you were outside the EU then you could not claim benefits? THAT is outrageous.
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 a year for it to be 1 billion... where did you go to school?
This is the real problem, not civil servants who contribute getting a half decent pension after working for over 45 years.
SEND ALL OF THEM TO JAMIE OLIVER HE WILL GIVE THEM A JOB, PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thanks Tony Blair.
I think the handful of people who actually go out to work in the UK should group together and leave the UK for 5 years. During this time the benefits will dry up completely as will the dole dossers main food sources, ie McDonalds and supermarket ready meals. We can then come back and start a fresh, building an enormous fence along the full length of our southern border to stop any more beggars coming in and trying to milk us dry.
Welcome to the U.K. the dustbin of Europe EU send all your crap here we love them.
Given their privileged upbringings, our govt members should take advice from us. They have no idea what to do and no experience of life on low wages, etc. I like your ideas Mark R. Whatever is done, it has to be seen to be fair across all inhabitants of the UK. I'd also go so far as to suggest removing a lot of cash benefits payments from people deemed able to work, but who choose not to. There should be a different name for JSA for people who've lost their jobs (which they were in for a specific amount of time - not days) and they could receive cash benefits for a specific time period, while they look for more work. But, others who've not contributed to UK and choose the benefits lifestyle, well they should be on a scheme that involves other methods of receiving support, e.g. JSS (Job Seeker's Support): help with accommodation, clothes and food parcels, etc. Ppl on high long term benefits, including WFTC often have the same or more than a lot of average (or close to) wage earners.
Awesome, just awesome... That's all!!
In America this is an industry, taxpayers, those that actually have real jobs and pay real taxes are so broke they can barely afford toliet paper. But not so for the illegals flocking here to strike it rich at the government teat. And these are the new democrat voters.
This is no surprise, as normal people have seen this going on for years, why do you think they still keep coming in to our country. And more will still be coming. We are the tax payer paying for these parasites, what do we do? nothing. And I am one of them. I am so annoyed as to what's happening to my country, I just wish we proper English people got together, and stop this madness happening.
My father is 64 and has worked all his life until a couple of years ago when he took early retirement due to severe arthritis, he lives off his private pension yet he had to go to a meeting recently to explain why he wasn't contributing to society, this is because his NI contributions are being paid for him even though he has worked more than his 30 yrs worth, unbelievable, they seem to go after the wrong people
Sort this lot out now and get tough they are not here for the weather !!! this country has become a joke the trouble is and I quote "I am not laughing "
The government could do something about it if they wanted to but they don't. Remember, Cameron is the self-proclaimed (or rather self-confessed) heir to BLiar, whose government's aim was to bring this country down. Nobody could be so inept or stupid as to do what they've been doing to the country over such a long period without it being their intention.
Really???? Who'd have thought it?????!!!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!
Is that why British people won't get a state pension until they are over sixty seven if born after 1953. I have worked and studied and paid for for a degree whilst I worked and now I will be forced to toil until I am dropping, ditto everyone else. What do we do if we lose our job, sign on the dole at sixty five?
Not long before the whole pack of cards come tumbling down, any British taxpayer should be very concerned about this figure, this is unsustainable in the extreme.
And it will just go on Benefits to all who enter, this bunch of millionaires running the Country don't seem to care about our own people having to struggle making ends meet as long as they can set their own pay rises and claim expenses, about time they started looking after their own before throwing taxpayers money away. How much will they claim for having to return to the house to vote on war,you bet your life it will be in the thousands,and that is why they don't worry about giving benefits away to others,they have got their own money pot to dip into when they want,its a joke or should i say a disgrace they way the country is being run.
And the elderly people of this country who have worked all their lives are put on the Liverpool Death pathway . Something very wrong with this so called Christian country that is killing it own people off when they get to a certain age and need hospital treatment.
Make sure all forms are in English and no other languages. In France all paperwork has to be completed in French not the language of your choice! Why are we so daft?
- theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 10:37 Couldnt have put it better myself!
Britains welfare system is unsustainable. Something has got to give at some point. Maybe this is part of the master plan. Allowing anybody who turns up on our door step access to our welfare system has no basis in logic Therefore, politicians must have some intelligence, I think its back to the pre 1940's for Britain.
What happened to all the comments between 6.20 and 10.26 ?
400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now
get rid then simple as that
I've worked for nearly 40yrs, and have been on the sick for 6 months and they have said I'm entitled to £1:52 a week because my partner earns £100 a week. Then they throw money at people who have never paid a penny into the system. I've paid in all my life and get nothing, , it's all wrong you should have to pay in before you take out.
Thanks to blair /brown we,re going to be paying the price for a long time.
Interesting people from outside the EU claiming benefits outnumber EU members by at least two to one, makes a mockery of those people claiming that it is the EU that is pushing the benefits bill through the roof.
Should not all the middles eastern men of fighting age be going back to fight for their countries.....or will they just leave it to us as usual?
And my Father of 96 and he was a rear gunner in the war, can't even get anything free. Why are we taking this?
Why on earth are people from these countries entitled to benefits from our Government?! British people who are born and bred here are demonised for having to resort to benefits when they fall on hard times, yet people from as far a field as Asia are entitled. This stinks.
I work my ass of for nothing the government takes if me to give to these lazy layabouts!! Joke
This is bad!!
We as a nation of incredible privilege have a duty of care to protect these people. Whatever happened to defending the underdog? Grow a pair Britain.
"The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.- Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53"..............No. Most realise that but they are principled people who will vote for what they think best for the country come what may. Unlike the greedy, grasping and usually useless Labour voters who vote Labour as Labour have stuffed their mouths with money stolen from the pay packets of others.
You couldn't make it up, could you especially when we get b.u.g.g.e.r all abroad. What a country - what a mess
After watching the benefit program on tv the government should go back to the methods they used in 1949
Come on Tories. Make claiming benefits not pay. Less than minimum wage, no housing benefit, cap child benefit at 2.
Check all their paper work i expect it is all fake, they change their names and address daily, trust me.
How can the UK and the EU justify paying billions in benefits to foreigners who have never paid a penny into the UK system, yet stop state pension increases to those of us that choose to live abroad. Despite the fact I for one have paid in for the maximum national Insurance, we are not asking for anything we have not earned. All we want is what we are due and is legally ours. The UK should look after it's own people first, above all others.
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense. - Sandy Brown , London, 29/8/2013 10:09 Asia and Africa are not part of the EU
I don't understand something. When I had to apply for benefits help after a bout of illness left me out of a job, I had to prove that I had paid 2yrs of National Insurance, and it wasn't for this year but from 2009 and 2010. I was told I hadn;t, which wasn't true because I'd paid 20years of it, and only after a very nice man at the NI office helped me I was awarded this benefit.. So how if I a British born citizen with 20yrs of National Insurance payments was given the run around, how can these migrants, whether legal or not, get benefits? Why is it one rule for them and another for us? These people should not be here unless they are working. No-one minds someone getting a bit of extra help when needed to anyone, but if the Government is making getting benefits so much easier for migrants is it no wonder we are becoming the cesspit of Europe. If a UK resident born and bred has to prove their ability to work and pay into the pot, why aren't they?
stop both invasions cam ,if you have the balls
Today the foreigners are scroungers and tomorrow they will be stealing our jobs. Which is it?
Meanwhile my son has failed to get his C grade at English, but I notice that all those from the minorities have. In the back if every college prospectus there are offers of financial assistance to those from overseas. Well this 40% taxpayer IS LEAVING!
Four years under the Tory-Liberal coalition, you will note.
How can they check these applications for fraud? Do they check whether these people have money in the bank or property back home? Do they have foolproof identity checks and a way to check that they don't claim at more than one office? This means the eventual inevitable end of the British welfare system but this must have been the politicians' plan from the outset as it was entirely predictable.
No job or prospects = no entry! Simples!!!!!
UKIP - There is NO alternative. UKIP is the only party capable and willing to make a start on restructuring the absurdity of British taxpayers funding the rest of the world's freeloaders - which is what they are.
Wake up Camoron, Calamity Clegg & Millipede. This is a national disgrace and highlights the true cost of surrendering our sovereignty and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with; the illiterate, indolent, indigent detritus from every corner of the world and an unemployable, feral underclass.
<3vote UKIP<3
Is anyone surprised by these figures? When I started work I was to receive my pension at 60 at the moment it will be at 67 but it will probably change again by the time I get close to 67. If we didn't pay out all these billions to these scroungers perhaps the people who pay into the system could get their pensions at a reasonable age.
At this rate we will be having the same problem as Syria here in the UK...............
If they haven't put anything in the pot they shouldn't be allowed to take anything out!! It's disgusting!!
The simple answer is that any entitlement to UK benefits should be earned by paying in Tax and NI (with separate regulations for our school leavers) and that entitlement would have to be maintained by still paying Tax and NI in a certain proportion of years onvce teh initial credit has been established. 5 years of contributing to even start receiving benefits beyond genuine emergency medical treatment and education for children. EU citizens would get the lower of what they received in their home country or here until they have established sufficient tax and NI credits - but over a shorter period. Benefits would include social housing/rent allowances and Child Allowance and Job Seekers benefit would only go to thsioe made redundant from a permanent job, not to anyone here on a short term contract. Simple changes - could be put through Parliament in a few weeks and implemented ina year or less gradually being extended to people who have been here for longer.
And in the mean time True Brits like pensioners are being killed off!
And how many of them are also getting Child benefits, pensions, housing and help with council tax. Not only do we hand it out by the bucket load, we also make it nice and easy by printing every form in about 58 different languages and supply interpreters. We really are THE most stupid collection of countries in the world.
UK has to STOP paying any welfare to foreigners. If they haven't got the money to live here then they shouldn't be allowed in or if they are here a one way ticket out. The way the government allow our money to be given away like this is criminal andsome one should be made to answer.
Qualifications for claiming benefits in Britain ----Never Ever Pay IN , if you work all your life or you are disabled expect to be penalised when you need help
These people will all require pensions eventually. The consequences will be devastating.
Don't you just love our Country.....these leeches do not want to be here...they do not like the indigenous population, the only thing they want is on the gravy train....with us hardworking mugs paying for their journey....but hey...we're so multi-cultural ain't we?.....I could weep in frustration and anger!!!!!!!
So are these the lazy people who want work or are they just our people?
We all know this, it has been going on for years. Those who have contributed to the system all their working lives are the ones paying for this and struggling themselves a a result. It is down to the One World Agenda do not believe what you are fed through the mainstream media and dig deeper.
Do you think if the wars stop. (lotting foreigners countries wealth), destroying foreigners infrastructure and own livelihoods then DM would really have no story headling "foreigners" would you DM? another dose of daily prejudice.
I am an african immigrant....it states clearly on my visa and all other african immigrants visas " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS".....how then are they collecting all these benefits??/...should you be looking at the incompetent lot handing out these benefits? because i am sick of paying £1000 on tax and NI a menoth...i could do with a tax free month per calendar month. Also DM...I will like to see an article on the extortionate fees that african immigrants have to pay £1800 to renew highly skilled migrant visas every 2-3 years.....of course that will be a true and fair view article so it won't be wort your while....propaganda sells so thats all we read lately. I do not believe the figure on bit!!!!!!
wouldnt surprise if it was much higher
Wait until January 2014 you have not seen any thing yet, thousands of Romanians will arrive, bombing Syria is more important, to our goverment.
We have no duty to look after free loaders. Benefits should be reserved for citizens. Germany manages to do it, why can't we? I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life. They never have worked here or paid taxes. But yet we provide the with a place to live, food, spending money and all they do is laugh at us.
I'm glad that we are looking after these honorable people. Good luck to them!
5.88 million benefit claimants in the uk, out of which 400,000 are foreigners,the rest are britons....do the maths people.
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become. Rant over!
Correction. Singapore has the third highest GDP per head.
In the next life I want to be a seagull I feed up with being dumped on by all these scroungers
@simon kirby What's the 'whole story' then? The only thing they've left out is the numbers claiming bnefits other than JSA, which must be enormous because wages are so low in Britain now.
Can't they all work for Jamie or all they too lazy?
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become.
Thanks for nothing Liebour.
Sick , sick, sick to the back teeth of working all the hours god sends so my taxes can pay for people who DON'T even originate from here this government is a shambles pure and simple !!!!!!!!
And what, may I ask, did they expect???? These people come here for low wages which we then, very generously, top up for them!!! They don't pay tax because they don't earn enough so how do they contribute anything to our country. You can't blame them, if we are stupid enough to give them all these benefits ..................
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35............................ EVEN AMERICANS ARE ON BENEFITS LIST HERE.....why pick on only africa out of the whole lot....i guess we all know why!!!
PANIC ATTACK!
And we wonder why the country's going to the dogs?!
Benefits are for the unemployed and the disabled BRITISH population ie. the deserving poor. Not for people who choose not to work and definitely not for foreign people!! If they are going to give out benefits to foreign people, they should have to work in the UK and pay into the system for at least ten years. If they don't like it, they should go back home to wherever they came from!!
we are just setting them up for a great future
But our leaders said kicking out all the highly skilled American/Canadian/Australian workers with MA,MS, and JD degrees would stop all of this.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhh, this just makes me so mad, why are we funding them? They get free courses, free housing, free everything, yet none born here, most having paid taxes do. All wrong, Britain needs to stand up and be counted, all of us.
I have worked from the age of 15 then 7 years ago I got vaccination damage on the NHS which means I cannot now work, so what do the government do stop my benefits, I have paid into the system, they have not, something is very wrong with this country,
Every study shows that EU nationals in UK are far less likely to be claiming benefits than UK nationals and that their contribution to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and NI payments far exceeds what they take out. These figures themselves show that around three out of four non-UK nationals claiming out of work benefits are from outside the EU. At least 1.4m Brits live in other EU countries and have the same entitlements as EU citizens living here.Those entitlements do not in either case include turning up in another Member State and claiming out of work benefits without being genuinely resident, which in most cases means having worked and paid taxes in the relevant country. EU migrants who cannot demonstrate established residence - usually through a substantial working record or being a direct family member of someone with such a record - and cannot prove they can support themselves can under EU law be removed.
Day after day the proof arrives that the government, well any UK government actually, can't run any organization and especially ones that handle our tax and NI money, either handing it out in benefits or buying goods and services from the private sector for those organizations to use for our benefit, on the procurement front they don't seem to have understood what most people do that bulk buying is cheaper than each government department buying small amounts individually.
Well at-least we can spend all the money we saved in Syria & on the HS2 project...... who's doing the fiances Micky mouse..
This truly is atrocious. When is the government going to wake up to the indiscriminate leeching of our hard-earned income by immigrants. UK out of EU NOW !!!!
Screw Syria - sort out this mess first. Questions: 1 How much will our involvement in Syria cost in terms of number of hospitals funded for one year ? 2.What do we hope to get out of an involvement in it for the UK ? 3. How many people will get killed - both allies and Syrians? 4 Tony Blair - will you send YOUR son in to battle first ? 5. How long will it drag out for ? 6.Will anyone thank us for our involvement ?
As long as our feeble Government are going to give them free hand outs they will keep on coming through our ever open borders..There is nothing you or i can do about it so get used to it..And the politicians of this Country could not care less, as long as they live in luxury, and live in their mansions payed for by the taxpayers..
This country is a sewer.
It's absolutely STAGGERING how our politicians just can't grasp what the average person on the street can. This country is completely ruined...... I feel to angry and bitter that so many servicemen sacrifed their lives to protect our borders yet our politicians have freely allowed our country to be overrun and effectively thrown to the dogs. Absolutely disgusting and deeply offensive to their sacrifices
Brilliant, makes me feel proud to be English... :(
disgusting country.....................
I think this is all by design. You simply wouldn't allow this massive influx of immigrants into a country by mistake. The politicians know what is happening and I believe we are part of some kind of twisted social experiment to bring folk to their knees. It's apparently working.
go back to your own country.
In reply to - Steve UK taxpayer , hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 09:54 Another great thing about the UKIP voter is that they don't understand what their policies are or mean...UKIP is an ultra right conservative party that will try to stop healing the world's sick for free, stop benefits for all the unemployed and sick people, stop or reduce tax on jobs - the NI contributions and the UK will be a whole lot worse off. Yes stop the abuse but to suggest UKIP as a minority party is the solution to the problem is crass.
And what about second, third and forth wives claiming single parents benefits.
There's no question, the government has to put a stop to the continuing tide of immigration before it's too late, my biggest fear is that it's already too late. Next is an unknown number of Romanians and Bulgarians heading our way, after that, an influx of Syrians probably?
While the disabled are having benefits cut,people who are on benefits having to pay bed room tax,no help to get people back in to work(what did happen to the run on of benefits that we were meant to have when this party was wanting our vote) but lets give anyone who enters the country as much benefits as they want.
Kick the lot out.
In the meantime, the government are considering even more cuts on pensioners and disabled people , many of whom have paid Nat. Ins , tax etc all their working lives , yet we're giving foreigners ( and their extended families ) access to UK benefits without putting a penny into the ''pot'' !
"they did not include other benefits for which most Eastern Europeans, being low paid, would qualify".... Sir Andrew is right, most 'benefits' are paid to people in work (working tax credits and housing / child benefit). Until Britain exits the EU, corporate shareholders and private landlords will continue to pick the pockets of hard working tax payers. As long as Britain has low pay and rising immigration / house prices, the debt crisis cannot be resolved. Membership of the EU is a disaster for Britain.
What was that you were saying yesterday Jamie Oliver?
This is one of the main issues that is going to wipe out the Conservative party at the next election . They put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la if the subject of immigration is mentioned . Well I think the general public has had enough and UKIP is going to split the Tory vote apart . Then Labour will stroll into power by default with barely a policy to their name . Time for a complete re launch of the Conservative party , or is that already happening with UKIP ?
DM please post my important comments
Nothing new here, thats why they cross many countries to land on our shores. Just stop all benefits until they have paid into our system for a minimum of 5 years. Work permits should only be given to other EU migrants for two years at a time. Thats what Greece is doing with Russians, at least you have some control then.
Welcome to Benefits Britain. Free housing,health care and ash fr all immigrants,legal or otherwise. Come and fill our boots.thats the reality of this mad house we live in, governed by no hopers.
British benefits for British benefit scroungers!
This is an absolute disgrace especially when the pensioners have to live on a paltry pension and if you saved and have a private pension you are TAXED to the hilt! Instead of giving to immigrants you should be looking after the BRITISH people who have worked hard all of their lives and also the real disabled people who would love to work but can't or simply can't find work. If I knew then what I knew now I would not have worked and saved or bought a house. It is about time we had a GOVERNMENT that was there for the BRITISH HARD WORKING folk and not for other nations. People are fed up with it so they may have riots on the streets of BRITIAN soon.
UKIP to sort this once and for all!
two words........NIGEL FARAGE
I just don't get why more immigrants are going to be allowed to enter this country when the hospitals just can't cope anymore. Bloody Cameron and the stupid government. This won't be Britain much longer.
Leon, think back & read the history, I believe you will find your statement is false
that social enrichment i keep hearing about , i will retire at 70 because their is no money in the pot , the only people to blame are the people who run this country , they are the biggest threat of all to the British people ,
All you people complaining about this sound like really insensitive people. Don't you know how tough life is for people in places like Poland or Romania or France? I think it is good that we get to spread a bit of the enormous wealth this country has via the benefits system with these poor people!! We should extend it!
If any thing legal I don't really mind in fact no one can do any thing -simple
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense.
And not one of them is breaking the law. As much as I think it is outrageous they are simply claiming what our system allows them to claim. Change the rules if we don't like it to stop them claiming. It's our benefits system that allows this to happen. It needs to change or it will crash from too many taking out and not nearly enough putting in.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35...................Why is it only the African statistic you picked out of the whole lot?.....those green arrowing you have not stopped to use some common sense on your comments.....130,000 africans in the uk????.....there you go....alll blinded by the hate for africans as usual!!!!
Points based immigration system, problem solved.
Why the outrage? Thats exactly what the government advocated
Built by Blair maintained by Cameron. UKIP.
The amount claimed though would only keep a small number of career British benefit scroungers over their lifetimes..
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
This is stupid why complain when we opened our borders and asked for this. Its like a healthy person running after HIV.
just playing devils advocate here, this isn't a personal statement just a thought that has come to mind. Of the 400,000 claiming hand outs. Are they cancelled out by the foreign workers here that are paying tax. Ie for every pound the government gets from a foreign worker, are we paying out more or less than that to foreigner benefit claims? We might actually be profiting from foreigners being here. Before I get red arrowed and people jumping down my throat this is purely something that just occurred to me like a business deal. Giving away benefits to some and allowing people in, might work almost like a loss leader where we get far more back from the hundreds of thousands or even millions of professional foreign tax payers living in the UK. Anyone know the stats or are we just focussing on the ones taking?
Oh look, another biased twisted DM story about immigrants. Why don't you print all the facts DM? Oh, I see, that would not suit your agenda. Well, I'm glad we are all clear on that.
WE CAN ONLY CALL THIS TREASON.
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27=================Are you on benefits? Raise taxes?!! There is hardly any money left after paying taxes as it is!!! What duty do we have to these people. We have absolutely none. THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM.
You ain't seen nothing yet....wait until next year! The bubble is growing, and one day it'll burst, as the British people will only take so much.
If we didn't have to put up with enforced immigration, then the majority of us would be in work and there would be no burden on the welfare state, so why has this been allowed to happen?
Why is is up to us to pay their benefits? Surely like pensions the country of origin should pay them.
Nobody is listening to us!
Is anyone surprised?
'..More fool you! Realising 34-years ago I couldn't beat the system without breaking the law, I moved to the Canary Islands. Everything was wonderful until the peseta was swapped for the euro and the economy went into decline. After 22-years in Spain, I'm now in Thailand five years before Spain went belly up, well away from the EU bureaucrats, the nincompoops of the UK and US governments and with less corruption here than is alleged in Whitehall and Washington, Threadneedle Street or Wall Street. No foreigner or even a fellow Brit gets my money unless I approve it by giving it to them myself, which I do regularly. It's nice to be in control of one's hard-earned cash. A luxury few in the West ever experience or get to enjoy. Just imagine earning £1,000 and keeping £1,000, not £600 or less and then having a further 20% taken off you in VAT...And although I don't smoke but I drive, what you pay for cigarettes and petrol is criminal. The bandits in Parliament should be wearing a mask.'
this is all down to Blair and the rest of his labour cronies
IDS where are you ,lets hear it for the failed priminister in charge of benefits,blaming workshy brits,it was never us it was them.ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.
Just scrap most of the benefits and retain just the old age pension; yes, no more disability benefits, you just go into a home and be looked after.No more job seekers allowance;if you want cash do odd jobs like knocking on doors and ask for chores to do.This country is a laughing stock to countries without a welfare system.
Anothe EU cost to this country. The policy should be a carrot and stick approach to the millions of economically inactive Britons. I know many who have no self belief and no confidence. Many who are just malingerers. But the government is abdicating its responsibility by seeing unselective mass immigration as any kind of solution. We need inspired leadership and charisma. Anyone seen a politician recently with those qualities? One whose first move is to get us out if the EU straight jacket which will give us the freedom to do what suits our economy rather than Bulgaria's or Rumania's.
There's nothing wrong with migration, when people leave their homelands to work or study in a different country and perhaps live there permanently if they want to. Plenty of Brits go overseas to do the same. However, immigrants should NOT receive any benefits and they should try and integrate with the local culture as much as possible. I'm saying this as an immigrant myself, from Eastern Europe . My husband's British-born, we don't get any benefits (not even tax credits or child benefit) and our only child is being brought up culturally 100% British. I cringe when I read these stories because they make me feel ashamed of my background and I always feel self-conscious when people ask where I am from.
Que'lle surprise! Not.
Cameron ought to usefully spend his time getting his own country on a stable path rather than mess about with other countries far from home. This ridiculous and unaffordable nonsense must be stopped.
This article and the excellent comments have Struck Me Dumb!
Please can someone in this spineless Government have courage to sort out the immigration problem once and for all! We cannot afford to pay out benefits and income support to anyone who does not contribute anything to our economy. Our infrastructure is overloaded, and everything seems to be loaded in favour of immigrants. Sort this out, and there will be no need whatsoever to build over green fields which should be used for the production of food, not housing.
Why not, you can come here illegally or legally and be housed, fed and clothed with money for fags and booze and not have to lift a finger. We have allowed our governments do set this up.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
So basically you have 400,000 squatters living in your basement and you're looking after their every need. Sorry, but you are idiots for electing leaders who allow this to happen. The mind boggles...
WELL DONE TONY AND THE LABOUR PARTY see what misery you have caused a social experiment that has FAILED big style
We need someone tough running this country now, someone like Maggie again, she wouldn't mess about, she wouldn't have let them all in, I want someone who will start kicking them out, am sick of having British people move aside for foreigners, sick of British people been brushed under the carpet by the politicians so that they can have cheap foreign labour. Well no more, I am never going to vote for the 3 main parties ever again and if it means voting for some one extreme to bring Britain back, then so be it
They are trying to stop our winter fuel allowance for people living abroad who have paid taxes all their working lives. An English language paper here in France has listed the countries at risk of losing this allowance, France is on the list - Italy is not. It is considered colder than France. The people who decided this have not been in France in winter. I know I will get red arrowed for this but as I am on the reduced pension I need it. The cost works out for me at less than £2.00 per week.
That is Britain today - we heal the world's sick for free and provide funds for all the world's unemployable people to live in luxurious idleness. But things will change when the main 3 parties are thrown out - UKIP will start the change next election.
Australia gets really really bad press on how it deals wth their asylum seekers! But everyone knows there not a soft touch but it Britain well were just way too polite to upset anyone,get a backbone and kick em out. !
The EU and Blair have destroyed this Country - and they haven't finished with it yet either.
satisfied Blair - colin , Selby, 29/8/2013 09:34 --> Much as I detest Blair, this increase has happened mostly on Dave's watch, aided and abetted by Clegg.
Goodbye Great Britain , This is the start of the end of our wonderful country.. GET US OUT OF THE EU!! Before there is nothing left. No places at the schools and the end the wonderful NHS.. Services stretched to the brink of breaking point!!
Dave youve been told time and time again by the vast majority of the British public but you havent been listening so i will tell you again -SHUT THE BLOODY DOORS !!!!!
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid .. - toothpick4649, Adelaide, Australia, 29/8/2013 5:45 Click to rate Rating 42 .......Easy to explain, mate. We keep voting for the same gutless wonders every general election and expect them to stand by their promises - which never happens. All they do is bend over and lift their shirt tails every time the EU spouts a 'directive'. Having watched them fail our people time and time again, and watched our country descend into a multi cultural cess pit, ruled by our natural enemies in Europe, it beats me why people vote for any of the current crop of political disasters we currently have to tolerate. I wish I'd moved to Australia when I was a young man with a trade. It saddens me when I see what Britain has become - all caused by a few politically correct, treacherous rat bags in Parliament.
Who is the fool here? It's not the government and It's not the foreigners It's the taxpayers!!!!! Until you down tools and demand changes, nothing will change. Look at what happened when they put the price of fuel up, people protested and got the fuel price down. Now we just roll over and die, everything has gone up, the place is falling to bits and all we do is moan about it and expect a greedy corrupt organization to fix it. It's like when a child dies from drugs or guns or the internet trolls, Only then do those parents decide to act and they ask for change. You are all living in your own bubble and won't do anything until it effects YOU.
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On a per capita basis, foreigners pay more in tax than those born here. More DM xenophobia believed by the gullible and racist.
cant support yourself? cant come here then. Simple
Cameron wont deal with anything he cannot be bothered with our country he wants to fight for other countries. All these immigrants will most likely unemployed so thing before you blame all the unemployed for not looking for work, we also let foreigners take our jobs so some people who want jobs cannot get them. I still cannot believe people get working/child tax credits when you have a job, Ive never ever claimed for them in my life, but these all should be stopped.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- When the cowardly, idiot electorate of Britain stops voting for them. Until then, they have no reason to act. Why should they? Sheep deserve to be fleeced. The choice could not be simpler. Either you vote nationalist, or you vote for more of this.
Britain is the welfare supermarket to the world and of course will attract so much dross as they observe our failed Border Agency which facilitates entry to the country. Cameron should for once in his premiership concentrate on getting just one aspect of his policy right and stop playing to minorities and whatever Samantha whispers in his ear.
I wish the DM will tell the whole story........
One word : traitors .
'Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.'- Dbarr347 , auckland, ...toDbarr in Auckland, that's the reason so many here are frustrated, we can't implement a 2 year stand-down period (or similar policy) because the UK's hands are tied by what the EU says, which is why we have this huge influx of people and subsequent massive payments to them.
Here we go, fan the flames of hatred DM. No statistic on the white underclass claiming?
They all come to the U.K,,,,,,,,,,,Would they be prepared to fight and protect this country if they were called up for duty?????They would fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the U.K in a heart beat
I am a foreigner. I have paid for 8 years my taxes and my contributions to this society. Why shouldn't I get benefits when I need them? Do you think I give away part of my money for you, Britons, and not for me? Get a grip.
Sick! Glad I'm not contributing to this anymore.
What a mess!
This just cannot go on, there should be mass protests ( peaceful ones) in every town and city until the government gets the message that we are not happy about this. UKIP next time, it's the only way.
What a disgrace when our elderly have to pay extortionate amounts to be looked after in care homes. There couldn't be a stronger case for voting U.K.I.P.
Turf them out, I am quite sure that if I went to an EU country I would not get any benefits, housing or financial help so why can they come here and get it! It has got beyond a joke, they land in by themselves then within a short space of time there is a whole family of 10! I am sick and tired of my taxes being used to fund these people. Plus the majority of them are getting tied up in crime against the foolish people who work to keep them!
Why can other European countries refuse benefit pay outs to people who have not contributed to their coffers, yet we are falling over ourselves to give immigrants a free ride if they want it.
PLEASE have a look at the UKIP website for COMMON SENSE POLICY'S. Nigel Farage has the right idea! GET OUT OF THE EU! Get control of our borders laws and way of life! Run the UK for the BRITISH 1st! SHUT the doors for 5 years! Sort this appalling mess out then run immigration like the Aussies! Sounds good to me, if it sounds good to you then you must vote UKIP! They are the ONLY party that put the British FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that do come here and find a job only work for a short period of time. Once they qualify for benefits they give up work and start claiming. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU only introduced the law about free movement of labour because they knew most of the undesirables would come to the UK or Germany. Members of all parties KNOW this is going on. The fact that they do nothing speaks volumes.
a benifit ? and enriching our country all at the same time WHY THEN IS EVERY THING FALLING APART ?
Cutbacks in the NHS, in schools, in care for the elderly, in the armed forces and so on is because Britain is giving free money to people who should not have it.
I thought as a condition of you being able to live here was that you were able to support yourself financially, at least I thought that's what the UK border agency says, why is this country such a doormat?
in the old days foreigners came to a country and worked their butt off and made the country better,now they are adding to its problems and im disgusted,maybe go back and fix your own country?
Can some one please explain how so many non EU immigrants can claim benefits? The system supposedly works on the basis that immigrants have to reside in the UK for five years, then only can they apply for permanent residence, after a further year apply for British citizenship. As the UKBA presently takes some ten months to process these applications (disgraceful but another example of incompetence) this extends the process to some seven years. So please be fair to those immigrants who do follow the rules, work hard, contribute by paying tax until they are granted citizenship and quite possibly never claim benefits! How many of these 'immigrants' are asylum seekers or among the backlog of thousands in the so called "Temporary and Permanent Migration Pool". DM this sort of article causes friction and whilst these figures are quite an eye opener, perhaps a little more research and clarification of just who these benefit claimants are would be a good idea.
I think the point that is not clear in this article at all, is how many of those who are claiming any kinds of benefits have actually worked and paid tax/NI in this country before claiming. I live and work in Germany. I have been in full employment here for many years. Were I ever to be made unemployed here I would be entitled to the same benefits as German citizens. I would honestly hope that no frothing-at-the-mouth newspaper would hate me for claiming the unemployment benefit I would be entitled to and encourage their readers to take a "send them all home" stance.
Stop the welfare for everyone!That might also force the lazy brits into finding jobs!
Why aren't the MP's and in particular the Welfare minister, reading these comments from the genuine public. Something needs to be done NOW.Cameron, pull your finger out NOW, and stop searching TripAdvisor for your next summer break.
Why doesnt DM print the real statistics? The truth is that majority of East European immigrants have jobs, pay their taxes and so when some of that number claim benefits- they have already put into the pull by the means of paying their own taxes here. Sometimes life turn disappointingly, you loose your job and so for a wee while you need the system¿s help, but we pay for it up front!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again. - IhateDM, london, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 08:24 Believe this idiot... It's far worse than DM are portraying, look on the government websites for the statistics and then double that at least. If you live with your head in the sand mate, you obviously read the independent and belong to those statistics, let the DM be read by hard working tax payers who care about this country!!!!
Similar things have been going on for years, how about registering for NI number and benifits at half a dozen or more dole offices and collecting from them all, and that was in the 70s, but ,"It would cost more to catch the offenders than than the fraud was costing". One would believe that in the past 40 years it has become much worse, never mind the gross edicts from the mighty (Useless) EUSSR.
Only the FOOLS running the Country COULDNT SEE THIS.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in. - Mick N.E., Ashington, 29/08/2013 04:56 Not 'everyone'. Only EU nationals. My non EU husband had to fight to stay in this country with me & our mentally disabled child. After thousands of pounds in visa fees to the home office and 3 years he was eventually allowed to live & work here (as long as we pay £500 every 2.5 years for 10 years to extend the visa) & No Recourse To Public Funds!! Not all immigrants come here to scrounge. He works to support us. Just a shame the UKBA can't issue the public funds rule to all the EU nationals just walking into the UK.
Why not change the name of OUR country from Great Britain to HANDOUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Everyone is welcome
ROLL ON UKIP
Worked 40 plus years, made redundant, over 60, get nothing. So much for working........I don't think.
Oh the another big plus then for the politicians and media who keep telling us of the 'benefits' of mass immigration!!
Is it any wonder certain foreigners claim Britain as being "Treasure Island"!
thatchers legacy
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/08/2013 01:35 Where do you get the 130,000 Africans in the UK figure from? It HAS to be far more than that.
Do you have a figure for the cost? "Billions" is not an adequate number for a proper report. I assume you have no numbers and are making assumptions (yet again).
IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION these are the WMD OUR sick are being told to work our unemployed are being told to find invisable jobs
satisfied Blair
Foreigners can't wait to get here and British people born here can't wait to leave. Can someone explain please?
Soft touch Britain. Everybody knows this. Even immigrants say this loudly through the media to confirm it. Yet we do nothing...
It is an open secret Labour did this deliberately. Years out of power, once back in fill the country with foreign benefits claimants. Encourage large families of domestic claimants. Engineer the population into a labour voting one....... It really is quite sick behaviour
Why, then, DM don`t you throw you considerable weight behind the ONLY party that will DO SOMETHING about this serious matter - UKIP, instead of, as you now do, which is to take every opportunity to ridicule the party and denigrate the character of it`s members ?
I'd just like to know why the people who pay taxes in this country aren't asked if its ok for their hard earned money to be spent like this? Why do we have to hand over nearly a third (or more) of our earnings with no say on what it's spent on? Because I'm sure this would be at the bottom of everyone's list.
We can't continue like this!
I worked and served in the Royal Marines serving my country of birth then at 65 retired to Belgium,my pension is £420 per month and i am not able to claim any supplements in Belgium (because i have not worked here).............Why is it that all other EU countries protect their own citizens and restrict immigrants but the UK just gives so much to those who have never paid a penny in NI or tax...........The millionaires who sit round the cabinet table have no idea what it is like to see your homeland destroyed because they are insulated from the pain of poverty.
Great Britain? sadly not for much longer
Then don't let them claim!! My husband ( a non EU national) can't claim a single penny, not that he wants to as he has a lot of pride to work & support us, but if you can issue a 'no recourse to public funds' to non EU nationals then do the same to EU nationals :-/ they haven't paid into the system, neither have their parents. But that's ok they can still claim child benefit for their kids back in their own country eh :-/
Oh these must be the hard workers Jamie Oliver was talking about!!!
1949 Benefits Britain!
There's a surprise! Benefits should be predicated on long term residency and tax contributions. We should not allow people to take out of the pot who have not first put something in.
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes.
This is where the money is going, paying benefits to those who haven't paid in. This is the TRUE reason why working people are being made to work longer before they can draw their EARNED pension. All this "We are all living longer" hogwash is just convenient government rhetoric used to hide the real truth...
Our benefit system should be for the people who paid into the system (excluding all who cant due to ill health). This system was never meant for anyone other than the people of this country. As a woman of 59 I have now to wait an additional 6 years before I get my state pension although I worked full time for over 40 years since I was 16. As I am no longer working I am living off my small company pension and my savings and hope they last out till then. We should have a similar attitude to Australia...if you cant look after yourself financially....you cant come in!
Why do we do it? You must have contributed 5 years before you are allowed anything
No surprise, even more taxpayers millions to be paid out next year 2014 to all and sundry who simply walk in and claim, a very costly crazy system ,meanwhile we all must suffer cuts makes no sense at all.
No, no, no! Cameron needs to grow a backbone and put a full stop to this. It's an insult to hardworking taxpayers, pensioners who have worked all their lives to live in poverty once they retire and those on the ever lengthening NHS waiting lists. The UK is seen as the mug of the world - come to us and we'll give you money for nothing. Even better, we'll give you money for members of your family who don't even live in the UK!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again.
I hope the new "rules" being brought in before Jan 1st stop more of these immigrants and that finally we will get out of the EU, team up with the Commonwealth and put the shutters up on our border. If you have a proper job and are invited to UK fine, otherwise please stay home
This is an appalling use of tax payer money & those responsible should be locked up for life! No immigrant should have the right to welfare (including the NHS) in this country unless they have paid in to the system for 5 years. The benefits system should be cancelled immediately & relaunched with very strict criteria. Cameron needs to worry less about Syria & more about getting us out of the EU, before the next huge influx arrive cap in hand!
It's like trying to fill a bath with no plug. As soon as the nation's money is earned, it's handed over to Johnny Foreigner. Recovery?! Don't make me laugh! More like running to stand still! UKIP for me in 2015.
"Money! Get your free money! Grab it while its still here! Get your free money"
Oh my word...quick send them back that way 'our' people will get all the benefits that we've missed out on because of the foreigners taking it all.....what a load of rubbish....our ridiculous government is to blame.....what a shambles they're making of everything....cuts here and there saving a pittance....they need to have a really good think about how they're running us into the ground....the selfish idiots!!!!!
Successive governments seem to have been obsessed with the need to be seen to be helping others around the world and in the process have lost sight completely with what is happening in their own country. Politicians urge us to vote but why bother when politicians are not interested in protecting the interests of their own citizens.
Cameron reacts to a problem in Syria that the British people couldn't care less about, but immigrant problems he ignores. Listen to the British people you idiot.
Our only hope is UKIP.
The only reason the politicians dont deal with it is because they are too scared they will be branded racist....i cannot see any other reason.
The smug politicians do nothing, other than claim their inflated expenses and wait for their next salary rise!!!
Haha, who cares? It's just hilarious watching Middle England get mad.
Simple solution: If you're not born in this country, or have at least one parent born in this country, NO BENEFITS
Biggest number of individual claimants were from Asia and the Middle East ------------- JUST HOWis this possible? I begrudge my tax money going overseas!
It's a nuisance when people use a serious debate such as this, to peddle UKIP........there you go all you UKIPPERS ........your big chance for a red arrow-fest xx
Absolutely shocking. How much longer can this go on? There has to be a limit and I reckon this will be reached next year when the next wave of immigrants get here. I cannot beleive how this government is letting this happen. They are all talk and no action. British taxpayers have had enough of their money aquandered. I fear for this country, We are no longer Great Britain. Labour started this fiasco, and this government is simply continuing to let it happen.
My husband and I were in effect driven out of our beloved country by the intense anger of our taxes being given to financial imigrant from all over the world. We had to move abroad to keep our sanity and lose the anger.
Meanwhile honest UK taxpayers who suffer disasters are treated like criminals if they try to claim benefits, having to prove that they aren't lying at every step, sometimes in a very unpleasant manner which only makes them feel worse. How about a bit of balance, our own people first for benefits, hospital treatment, school places, council houses etc. The more we feather-bed, the more will come.
just WRONG!
UKIP ALL THE WAY
absolutely soul destroying
I don't have anything against foreigners- my parents were foreigners to this country in their time - but AAAARGH. They never claimed benefits, never, they were highly qualified people but worked in a warehouse, sewing on buttons at dry cleaners, anything rather than claim benefits, and they learned English. They made us learn English and they brought us up to work and pay taxes. What the hell is this?
Good lord - don't tell them to come to Canada - they'll get nothing. At least I don't think so. Been here most my life. If you don't have a job, you're screwed and destined to be uber poor. The UK has to rethink the whole system.
What do you expect when we elect idiots like Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg into office.
just scrap the benefits make them stand on their own two feet or at least make everyone re apply
There lies the problem with the declining quality of services in the UK compared to the rest of Europe.
Leave the EU and take the benefit system back to how it was in the 1940s, a safety net not a life style choice !
......and after I finish working all my life and retire, if I can afford it that is, will there be anything left in the pot for me? If we carry on at this rate there won't. I get more and more angry about this situation where people who have contributed nothing to this country take and fools like me who work pay them to do it.
Anyone surprised? I'm not. I saw this coming years ago. Big Issue sellers 'work' for 12 weeks then are entitled to full UK benefits. The same applies to agricultural workers - not much to pick from October to May. We are being taken for MUGS and quite honestly rightly so. But it's not only the benefit issue, how about the £53,000,000 given to the EU every day, the £12 Billion in foreign aid? The retirement age has been increased and your private pensions have been raided to help pay for this. Have you tried to get a Dr or Dentist appointment lately? Have you waited in A&E for hours to eventually be seen by a Dr who doesn't speak English? WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS IN FINANCIAL TERMS. We are being fleeced and royally shafted by political traitors who are supposed to protect and care for BRITISH citizens. If you want more of the same continue voting LibLabCon. If not, it has to be UKIP.
Another example of the UK Government ignoring the wishes of citizens, look around and it happens all the time. Here there is no welfare unless you have contributed, very simple, I am at a loss to understand why the British Government refuse to do the same.
What do people expect we are in the middle of the deepest recession since the war there are no jobs for people born here how do they expect foreigners to find work?
A lot of us already knew this but when we dared to say it, we were deemed a racist.
A friend worked in a London school for the blind. One family, white British, were turned down by Australia as their blind child "Would be a burden on Australia". Meanwhile, an asylum seeking family with 5 children at the school -all born without eyes due to a (1st cousin marriage) genetic fault - were being supported in their request to stay in the UK in spite of the children being a HUGE burden on the state!
LOOK LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. The British taxpayer knows that all the bull about JOB OPPORTUNITIES is a Govt. fantasy. Across Africa and E. Europe the word is out that if you can get to the UK you can LIVE FOR FREE. The quicker the Govt. understands that the better. Meanwhile taxpayers have their services reduced to find the money all these scroungers cost.
Vote labour, and let them all come.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY - si, london, 29/8/2013 12:14 Stop blaming Labour, this con lot have had plenty of time to make the the changes needed, they have the benefit of hindsight, made useless promises and a PM without a backbone. as bad if not worse than labour. Only one vote for me UKIP
Meanwhile, with the help of Atos, they continue to strip the benefits from genuinely sick, native born British, lets not forget that.
I'm not great at maths but if there are 406,000 foreigners claiming benefits and 5.88 million Britons doing the same, that means Britons account for over 93% of benefits spending in the UK. So I'm not entirely sure it's foreigners taking all the money. Interestingly, the split of 93% native Briton to 7% foreign is roughly in line with the actual demographics of the country as well, so it doesn't look as if foreigners disproportionately take up the welfare budget either. Perhaps we could get come clarity as to the amount of cash that goes to Britons and the amount which goes to foreigners? It's a bit disingenuous to whine that foreigners are costing our country 'billions' when they account for less than 7% of the actual bill.
if you dont like the situation, change it ,use your vote accordingly at the next available elections and vote for the only party who will put a stop to this insane situation,i am definately voting UKIP.
Can't they get a job with Jamie Oliver?
tories, great on rhetoric, abysmal on action. Nice shoes though, Mrs May.
Oh well
One could argue that EU because of legislation we are saddled with are justified but that leaves 340,000 non EU claimants. How does that work? It is very simple - Tough to get in and then you have to work for five years before receiving benefits. Put someone with backbone in charge of UK border control. No visa - no entry and those visa's have to be approved from this end not at the consulate or embassy at originating country. You have to have a work placement and if a student wants to study here they must put in the entire three years tuition and living funds into a special account. - Time to get tough - time to find someone tough enough to deliver.
we in the uk have been bounced into this marxist/commie system whether we like it or not,whether we we voted for it or not,whether we like having our democratic voice taken away in this or not,thanks to our ministers who now take their orders from the likes of marxist merkel and barroso and good ole rumpy pumpy,everything we have built up by way of savings and pensions is to be handed out and shared for all who are piling in leaving us with poverty levels seen in third world countries,yep thats the policy folks,good an,it
The government have got far more important things to deal with, like sticking their noses into the problems of other countries!
None of this makes any sense whatsoever! We are bleeding ourselves to death. All that our ancesters fought and died for is being thrown away. It is a betrayal of them.
How the HELL can this be happening? When I immigrated here in the late 90's I could not claim a thing, and wouldn't have in any case. I had a stamp in my passport that said "No recourse to public funds" - this was for 5 years. I have been here 16 years and still have never felt the need or desire to access/take/abuse public funds. Clearly our immigration doors are flapping wildly in the wind attracting all the WRONG people. So much about what's "good" for the country. So disappointing.
It's simple any person who has not paid National Insurance for 2 years although I would like 5 years or been a permanent resident for 5 years can't claim any benefits. Simples
There should be a qualifying period, perhaps 5 years of contributions, before qualifying and the sum paid should be equal to the payment a UK Citizen would receive in their Country. This Magic Roundabout has lost its wheels.
And this country is supposed to be so broke that we all have to suffer cuts. And yet we hand this much to immigrants who have paid nothing in. We consider military action which has nothing to do with us. Do you ever get the feeling that politicians, who are overseeing this ridiculous situation, are required to put their brains into cold storage when they take up their positions, to be retrieved when they leave office?
Consistently shambolic behaviour really, from MPs who are supposed to be intelligent and have the UK's best interests at heart. I admit, In an ideal world it's nice to be able to help others, however, when that includes people who have long criminal records or people who have no intention of working or people who are here simply to claim benefits and contribute nothing, or people who have no intention of adding anything of value to the local resident population...well you wouldn't invite that type of person to stay in your own home, so why would you foist that type of person many, many times over onto the UK which is, in effect, our shared collective home...oh and why would you then be so incompetent so as not to know how many people are here? I've got no axe to grind as my great great grandfather came here from Jamaica, however, he worked damn hard, made many friends and received nothing by way of support. The UK is being failed over and over by each government on this issue.
THIS should be today's headline, not some daft rubbish about Tango dancers in Argentina!
Every day a feel a little bit more ashamed of being British! !....we are Europes laughing joke!!!
they are stealing britains future, stop it now and get the hell out of europe now; this blair and browns legacy
This needs to be stopped now, if imigration carries on as is, this country will be bankrupt. Why oh why can we not have a leader who is sympathetic towards the people of this country instead of to the whole world.
And all the time LibLabCon keep encouraging the importation of immigrants, who we can't do without. They are telling the hard working taxpayer that its the British elderly, disabled and low paid who are causing the economic troubles. Next year many more Eastern EU people will turn up. All the time these benefits are going "home", rather than remaining in our country. Tis should be stopped, these people have never paid into our tax or NI system and should be allowed nothing out of it now. UKIP will stop it.
The whole system is a complete mess. I know of people who have fraudulently claimed benefits for years, and when reported, the authorities do absolutely nothing. Well actually they do something continue giving them benefits. AND they are still claiming when they are living in another country and have done for the last 8 months and are not british citizens. It's completely wrong! I'm all for people coming to this country to work but I think in order to get any benefits or be allowed to work (get NI registration) it should have to be under certain conditions, e.g. Pass an English examination, prove that they are actually living in the country, not be allowed to claim benefits or be entitled to housing until such a time they are able to illustrate that they can actively contribute to the state and not drain resources. My husband is from Eastern Europe, he is an engineer and I run my own business, we don't claim benefits never have! I'm sick of looking of my tax bill each year!
Forget the other parties, they only paper over the cracks, give UKIP a chance to sort this properly.
We need answers and the only way we will get them is mass peaceful protests.
Spread the word,.. UKIP to sort out this Damn mess !!
We should follow the 1949 system...
This Enrichment is bankrupting us!!
Educate yourselves people. EU immigrants damage your country than any outside immigrant will ever do. All these articles are to stir things up n create hatred for immigrants. Do not think Nigel will sort it either, when was the last time a politician told the truth. Educate yourselves people.
Do you get the impression we keep electing really stupid governments? It' UKIP for me now on.
Oh! I thought they were the ones working while the Brits are all lazy. The golden pot will be empty soon for everyone. No job, not a British citizen, go home!
So we have people who have paid into the system for years being denied benefits and services to pay for immigrants, asylum seekers AND their families! and to add insult to injury a proportion of these openly hate us and go to religious institutions that preach violence and death! What hope is there for our children if our own government does NOTHING!
This article confirms what the ordinary working man and woman have known for years. No one should now be allowed in unless they can prove that they have sufficient money so that they have no need for benefits or to be a drain on this company, this Los applies to health insurance. No money, no health insurance equals no admittance.
if you haven't got a National Insurance number or British passport, you cannot claim benefits......simple.
If this feeble Government keeps on giving them hand outs they will keep on coming..And this Country will be bankrupt, we will be joining Spain Greece ,etc...If the poor and the elderly and sick over worked tax payers native Brit think they got it bad now..YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THING YET..
Looks like not even the DM can rant on about how its all labour fault any more.
Surprise, Surprise! Why doesn't this story leave me flabbergasted. This was seen coming 15 years AGO!.
Yet the government are blaming the pensioners for all the financial ills of the country, we are living too long, 24,000 are dying each year due to the cold so we will stop the WFA, the bus pass, and TV licence to the over 75's, meanwhile they continue to fund the dregs of the earth from other countries who turn up on our doorstep.. UKIP are the only party that will address this appalling situation.
Zebedee, what? And take money from the immigrants? That will never do, not when we have British disabled people who are in receipt of benefits. It makes much more sense to withdraw the disablement benefits than to close our borders. It's inhumane apparently to refuse entry to someone from a War torn country and not give them a roof over their head, food on their tables and pay for the upkeep of however many children they may have but there's nothing wrong with taking essential benefits if you're British, childless, worked for many years before claiming benefits and have an incurable and dangerous illness.
The figures show that 93% of work-related benefit claimants are Britons. This is in keeping with the population as a whole.
Right lets see==Foreign Aid about 12 BILLIONS / EU Contributions about 13 BILLIONS not counting backdoor bailouts for bankrupt countries / Foreign Benefit Claimants another unknown figure running into Billions / Billions more on funding our illegal wars against any Country our Politicians choose to attack, MEANWHILE our OAP's freeze to death in winter many more thousands die in hospitals thru lack of basic care, thousands more denied lifesaving drugs / 1 MILLION of our young people thrown on the scrapheap / our sovereign debts have topped 1.2 TRILLIONS and growing etc etc etc.
ARGHhHhhhhhhhhhhhhHhHhHh I have just finished a 14 hour night shift for the NHS and have done so 3/4 times a week for the last 10 years and my pay just covers bills etc I actually want to cry !!!! These people come here use the NHS and claim benefits....!! I am moving out of this sorry excuse of a country....!!! What a shame I hate my own country and the government that runs it
No, no, no ..... They only come here to bring missing skill sets that the British don't have .... They don't come here for our benefits system !
If you haven't paid in and are fit for work you should not pay out! This is national insurance, we workers pay our insurance. Foreign people should only be allowed in if they have money or work, and students have money to pay for their education. British people should only be on job seekers allowance if they are actively seeking work!
We're told that immigration is actually a positive for the UK since it adds to the economy. This article based on facts kind of scuppers this idea. We're already pretty well bankrupt so it's little wonder that the working population is having to work until they drop before they retire & services in this once great Country are crumbling. Mr Cameron we need a referendum on the EU now!
Your comments:By any definition, we have been sold out. Utterly tragic.
Surprise, surprise!
I dont undestand DM. Our government who i trust completely say immigrants bring so many positive things to the country? are you telling me im being lied to?
I have nothing but contempt for the British Government since Blair got into power and opened the door to the world and his wife and it's all been downhill from there. No wonder thousands flock to your shores; it's the land of milk and honey for some and the poor old British taxpayer is having to pay for it. I will always love my Country, but the politicians suck!
I can't read all of this. My head is swelling from the inside. I voted UKIP in local elections and I can't wait to vote UKIP in the next general election. Voting for anyone else will only lead to 'anyone else' changing their manifesto as always.
UKIP is the only hope for this most awfully run country. Lets give them a clean sweep in the EU elections.
Many people seem to believe that voting UKIP will solve the problem, but will Mr Farage and his party be able to achieve what they claim? I shall be voting UKIP but fear we are already in too deep. It may take a WAR OF INDEPENDENCE in the end. It may help if Cameron and Clegg take the first steps now, instead of prevaricating, and promising a possible vote at some time in the future. My local used to have a sign behind the bar which said : FREE BEER TOMORROW.
All part of the plan to destroy England from within. it has been said ¿Until now, nations were killed by conquest, that is by invasion. But here an important question arises: can a nation not die on its own soil, without resettlement or invasion, by allowing the flies of decomposition to corrupt to the very core those original and constituent principles which make it what it is?¿
MP's of any party except UKIP are terrified to cut back the Welfare system, believing it will cost them votes. How they dare put themselves before the good of the country is a form of fraud, as I see it. Refreshingly. Farage and his party think differently.
And still our Government lets more and more of them come into our Country.. It beggers belief !!!
That would include foreigners in work who because of very low wages (minimum wage, part-time, zero hour) are claiming IN WORK benefits to heat, eat and shelter. The blame should go onto rich Tory voting bosses who refuse to pay living wages (giving it all in perks and bonuses to themselves instead) forcing the poor who WORK to claim IN WORK BENEFITS.
How do non Europeans get to be allowed in without the means to support themselves?..
People should spend less time estimating the figures and more time doing something about it. England is ruined. No wonder all our best and brightest leave! We are the dumping ground of the earth and our politicians should stop spending all their time bickering at each other about broken promises to work towards their pay increases and more time doing something however controversial.
I am beginning to think the people running this country,both now and those idiots in the last Labour government,(how on earth did Gordon Brown ever become P.M.),dont have the slightest clue.This problem has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years and will get worse and worse but still no one has the backbone to do anything about it. I give up. Bye bye G.B.!!!
What sort of an idiot do you need to be not to realise this was always going to happen?
Like politicians they have put nothing in and have taken as much as they can out ,and yes including housing although politicians get to keep and profit from theirs
Nothing will happen, unless you are a british worker who pays your taxes. get made redundant and then try and get help. wont happen , immigration is good for the world for working people not idol layabouts who are economic migrants who leech. This government and previous are delusional in believing the UK is a prosperous country who can help the world but not its own. we are a 3rd world country in the making and military might wise we are a flea on the tail of the U.S tiger. The NHS is a great institution but is being abused and the UK being laughed at by the world.
EU.NO NO NO, get out now
hi these gvt policies of uncontrolled entry into the uk will result in living standards/care provision reduced for all in the uk,the jam is being spread so thin now great poverty will be seen in areas never seen before,theres just not the resources/taxes being generated to meet all the demands of this exploding population in the uk,are they listening in westminister,thought not,will they close the door now,nope!
Our Politicians are aware with what is happening to our Country. Things are progressing nicely exactly to plan. We are over-populated, we are jobless, we are extremely hard-up. This has been allowed to happen because it is what the politicians want. The taxpayers are not running this Country. They are paying all the bills but them in the cuckoo`s nest are running it - to hell in a handcart.
Couldn't Jamie Oliver employ them ?
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP. - tony, mansfield, 29/08/2013 05:18 Sadly I fear it's too late now! I despair for our country. We're so governed by Brussels that its not a case of just walking away from Europe anymore. Wish it was!
Still Cameron ignores these figures and the wishes of the people! He'd much rather have a war !
Simple analogy; would we as Brits be able to claim a penny if we hit hard times in their countries? I think the answer is a resounding, "no." Why do we waste our money, which we pay in taxes, in this manner?
For several yearss it has been obvious that the EU was designed to lift the poorer people upto the same standard pf living as the so called RICH ie the likes of us. It is going to be very hard to leave as the many immigrants from the EU will be able to vote in any referendum that we hold aand they are not going to vote to leave it. `ted heath and the rest of the body politic have an awful lot to answer for.
Bank of England policy - unemployment high with lots of immigrants so use this statistic to rob the prudent blind with interest rates way below inflation. Come January the numbers will spiral out of control.
This government has been in power for three & a half years & the benefits to foreigners bill has increased 41% in five years, & its over five years since Blair was P M, surely this is the fault of the coalition this has happened after Blair left office & i know the Dreary Mail readers will say he is to blame for letting so many in but that is like blaming Churchill for E C H R fiasco because he took us into it in 1946 just trying to be truthful & sensible you know blame where it is due.PS i don't like Blair or his awful wife.
You can go to any town or city up & down the UK to find in full of people of working age doing absolutely nothing. I accept that times have changed, but when I was a lad there would be hardly a male figure on the streets during working hours other, than tradesmen.
This is great news
We imported all this lot without any basic standards as regards education and job skills! What a set of "Numpties" in Parliament.
and here's me listening to the politicians and the BBC saying they come here to work. so the proportion of immigrants claiming dole against Brits is quite high. No wonder the country is broke.
What the hell did you expect with a Benefit and Immigration System designed by a collander maker.
Yet having worked all my life, if I lost my job today I would get nothing because my wife works full time.
And the government wonder why the number of jobless people is increasing. If they hadn't been allowed to claim benefits we would save £billions a year and the bedroom tax wouldn't be needed.
You want to stop this? THEN VOTE UKIP, OTHERWISE, ACCEPT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Not surprised about this at all! It is due to Britain accommodating the rest of the world that the country is in so much debt. Until the government grow some balls and implement new rules regarding new and existing immigrants then the country will just become worse. We need to take note from Australia: No immigrant to claim any benefit for first 5 years living here, must have atleast £20,000 in the bank, must have a job and accommodation organised before arrival, must be able to speak flaunt English and must have qualifications with no criminal record
Disgraceful absolutely disgraceful!! They have just taken my fathers disability benefit from him as they deem him fit to work after having list a leg and having chronic arthritis and pericarditis (heart failure). Good job Britain hope your proud!! Feeling very patriotic NOT!!
U K I P
And THIS is one of the many reasons I'm leaving this country for good! So so sad to see what this country has become...
And again I say they've knocked a few quid off my Dear Lady's pension .....
VOTE UKIP...................you know it makes sense.
while my disabled son has to pay for his council services,same as the elderly do too....yet you can come here and get it for nothing.
ukip
disgraceful!! I'm so glad I work hard and pay my taxes to support those that should be supporting themselves. People, foreign or not seem to want everything given to them. I'm 27 been working since I was 16 use to have three jobs now fortunate to have found one that pays the same but still I worked hard to get here!!! Where is the work ethic... ?? I'm also fortunate to have never used the system either.
Disgusting.Make the benefits less and pay workers more!!
This is a distraction!!! Daily mail wants to throw everyones attention off the syria thing.
We are mugs.
And I wonder who is to blame for that? Both the nasty party and labour, it's a pity the politicians don't go to Syria and do the fighting alone.
leave Europe and kick out the benefit claimants, or stop new arrivals from claiming
Because, Andrew,Aylesbury - our so-called 'governments' simply do what the EU tells them to do. And hand over our taxpayers money for the privilege. Yes, UKIP is the only way to save us.
Its getting tougher and tougher to genuinely be proud you have done a days work and are contributing back to society.
Please lets give ukip a chance everyone. Surely they can't do worse than the treacherous three.
The TV programme Benefits Britain 1949 shows how the welfare system was meant to be run. The rules were still in place when I left school in the 1970s - I was not 'entitled' to claim anything because I hadn't paid anything into the system. Now I've worked for 30+ years, when I was made redundant, because I had savings, all that I was 'entitled' to was contribution based JSA for 6 months. That's it? £70 per week limited to 6 months, after all those years of contributing? It makes me sick that my taxes go to pay for others who have not contributed anything to the pot. I will be voting UKIP as they are the only party I have faith will sort this mess out.
Blar, blar, blar, blar, blar-didde-blar, blar,blar,blar.........lol.
I cant wait to get my degree and leave this country. I' am british born and bred and I hate what this country has turned into
UK residents loose out, Eastern block cash in!!. I can see it, why can't the politicians. Lol!.
It seems that our government can start a war in under 48hours including a full recall of parliament but.....a referendum on supporting/funding the EU and all it's citizens will take years to organise....why is this?
Seems that everyone is increasing their reliance on state handouts.. How has the number of uk residents increased over the last five years. These statistics show nothing.
Surely it is now time to say,nothing is given unless you have paid in for 5 years.This will finally cripple the UK. If this was put into the pension pot there would be less problem with that.No wonder British people get angry with politicians when they do not do anything about this issue. And yes ,no wonder ukip are getting strong.
The guys who died in WWI and WWII died for nothing - this country is a disgrace
More to come from Libya, Egypt and Syria. Thanks to our useless politicians.
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance? - wickidpedear , York, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 06:02.........................Er ! My guess the answer to your question would be a big fat NO.
How stupid are the British government, do we have to be on our knees before they stop giving our money away
This is why there is a housing shortage. This is why the NHS is under pressure. This is why the employment figures are high. This is why we need to build more schools. This is why we need to get out of Europe. This is why etc etc.
In times of economic downturn, immigrants are always the hardest hit so I don't see anything strange in these figures. That equal opportunities form filled for every job application has in many instances worked against immigrants.
Yet again....so much money, and so easy to get without having to pay into the system.....time for a change methinks
Don't be under the impression any of the government care. They are only in it for themselves. And why not.
UKIP !
Look at the third world, no work, no pay, no food, very little debt, Western world, no work, benefit, food, and plenty of Debt???, who is right/ who is wrong?
No - you don't say! And how many people did it take to work this out? Ask any British born tax payer and they could have told you this years ago.
And all that mob who keep calling us lazy Brits and all the other people are all working away 24/7 bit of a wake up call
I bet this is a fraction of the true figures. Makes me want to jump off a cliff...
WHY ???????? WHY ???????? WHY
Remember what Liebor told us its called diversification!
This is a disgrace. I'm voting UKIP. No mud slung at them by the national press will change my mind. Nothing else matters to me other than putting a stop to this madness.
Vote UKIP to end this madness!!
My Friends...READ THIS Article carefully !!!! THIS is sooo wrong...I am all for helping folk....but this exploitation is not right at all..............and they want to launch bombs on Syria !!!! I REALLY despair at MY GOVERNMENT....c'mon wake up Dave and sort this !!!!
I thought they were all working hard for Jamie Oliver
The four years 2008-2012 roughly coincide with the recession so it is to be expected that benefits would rise. Figures for UK citizens should also be shown for comparison.
Another 400,000 votes for UKIP. If they have no right to live in the UK, get their Embassies to pay for a one way ticket home.
You can imagine how really ecstatic I was to read this as when I was made redundant 5 years ago I was not even allowed to claim JSA as, according to the jobcentre, as I was a carer I could not committ to 16 hours a week even though I had actually worked part-time for the prevous 27 years. That left me with an income of £53.00 a week from Carers Allowance - (claiming JSA would have meant another £10.00 a week). Why are people who have lived and worked here all of their lives unable to claim yet people coming from another country can and not just £10.00 a week either but hundreds of pounds?
This little island cannot afford to feed and clothe the world I'm afraid.
Cameron sort this appalling abuse out, never mind Syria or elsewhere in the middle east it is none of our business, get a grip on the home problems that are!
Refuse to pay your taxes! They can't jail us all can they?!?
How come immigrants can claim benefits when i can't claim a full state pension because i took time off work to raise my children.
This is why we have to work till 67 to get a pension!!!! People who have worked all their lives and contributed to the Uks taxes always miss out.
only UKIP have the balls to sort this mess out
This is true, I live in Spain 6months a year, and the system works like this, you can claim benefits for 3 months, then the benefit stops, you then have to work for 10 days and you get another 3 months.The lady next door to us is sweeping the streets , no pay but then gets her benefit back.Now wouldnt that be a good idea for our country.Just to see some of the idle layabouts do something for once.Before anyone jumps up and down I worked for 44 years paying tax , which gives me the right to say this, This system in Spain works no work no benefits, easy.
well fancy that;;;who would have believed it. and all them safeguards in place to stop it. 2 more countries to add to that number soon.
Tax payers revolt and vote UKIP.
400k foreign claimants is nothing compared to the 5.88 MILLION Brits claiming. I bet the majority of the Brits claiming have not worked a day in their life
I work with a Czech guy who claims for five children, all back home. If it is his right , so be it. But when your own people are having benefits reduced and the sick being asked to work. With more people at food banks and pensioners being asked to leave homes that they have lived in all their adult lives, to accommodate families often from overseas, I ask you? Is this fair?
Sorry to say, but U.K.I.P. seems the only option every time I read this Paper.
Successive governments have told us that immigrants do not qualify for automatic benefits. Have they been lying to us? I am shocked! Only one way to prevent the "melt down" of Britain, vote UKIP!
Disgraceful
This makes me so mad!!!!!
My mate has been living in Latvia and Lithuania for nearly ten years now reasons best known to himself, is currently out of work and homeless, and has so far not been able to collect a Euro in social benefits. What with the farce of the European Union; what with Cameron and Hague looking for their 'Falklands' moment, an ever widening gap is opening up between government and the governed. They've cut our armed forces to the bone, and then they want a war? Fiendish logic if you ask me. Nobody could be that stupid without a hidden agenda.
I would like to hear the justifications of those in charge, our so called leaders, for the decisions that they have made over the years that have changed our country so dramatically in such a short space of time. I would also like to know what they intend to to reverse the situation or at least stop it deteriorating further. ALL of the parties involved should hang their heads in shame. I'm all for helping those in need but we cannot solve the problems of the world nor give endless shelter to the less well off from abroad. Our system is rapidly reaching breaking point and our daily lives are becoming more stressfull. Hospitals are full, there are no jobs, the roads are full and there are no houses. Why are the doors still open?
So will they still keep telling us that immigration is good for the economy as if we didn't already know the truth. Please god, when will someone grow a spine and get a grip on this? Depressingly, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is the government giving out handouts to people without british citizenship?
Message to the world come to our country, free education, health, housing and even free money for not working! We must be the laughing stock of the world, pathetic.
This is a surprise !!!! Only to the politicians who do not have the backbone to stop it. They need to act fast before the beleaguered taxpayer takes to the streets. There is only so much we can take. I agree forget about Syria, get a grip on immigration. It has to be the number one top priority, we have had enough.
Don't forget the child benefit paid to those who are working and whose families still live in their home country. Benefits all round - except for the tax-paying Brits. Kerching! Forget being the world's policeman, we're the world's social services.
David Cameron,me thinks should be dealing with the great problems he has here in the UK,including those outlined in this article,rather than meddling in Syria.
Spanish & US benifit rules please don't pay in you can't get out and your not a resident / citizen you don't get given! simples.. Oh and if they must pay them then 1949 rules!!
It simple there should be no pay-outs till they have paid into the system for at least 2 years like Australia and even then the Money they receive should equate to the money they put in. We need to change this country's something for nothing culture to You Only Get Out What You Put In
This is bad enough but what the public deserve to know is exactly how many immigrants who were given British passports during the Blair/Brown years are claiming benefits? And how much does it cost? Hard working, skilled British families are leaving the country in droves and being replaced by unskilled welfare claimants.
How many more foreigners are also paying taxes now though?
The only sensible solution would be a European Union benefit paid to everybody who is a member of the EU, but not a national of that country. Lets say a Hungarian claims benefits in the UK but is disqualified because he has not worked here for a period of 5 years continuous full time work, he then has to apply to the EU benefits office which grants him a pre agreed sum of money while he is actively looking to steal a British persons job. Let the EU be held responsible not the poor British Tax payer who to be frank have enough of their own unemployed to deal with.
Now please tell us how many NON foreigners are claiming and the percentage increase that number represent in the same time period. I suspect another one sided piece of journalism from DM that is designed to breed fear and hatred amongst the readers.
LIES. All the time lies. That's all we get from our leaders. WE NEED UKIP IN TO SORT THIS OUT.
Migration Watch and their 50,000! Have a look at the European Social Statistics publication of July 2013. It forecasts a rise in population of 15 million by 2060. That is 320,000 NET immigration per year every year. Given that migration is about 200,000 per year and therefore must be added back to give a reasonable immigration figure of 500,000 per year. Sorry Migration Watch, you missed out a zero! Think of the effect of this volume of non-U.K. citizens on health, education and social cohesion!
Totally predictable. We all know that many come and work hard for a year or two so they can access the welfare system. Once they have access to the sytem they can milk it dry. Once they are on the gravy train its impossible to get off. I really resent paying taxes to support our own Jeremy Kyle scroungers as well as a new generation of foreign benefits tourists and the situation will get worse next year. Why does our Government continually ignore us, tell us to tighten our belts and then give away our tax savings to people who have no right to it, or keep wasting it on wars that have got nothing to do with us???????????????????????????????????
We are a soft touch country and the cost in years to come will ..cost us dearly... ... Giving away more money every year cannot be sustained... ......That's basic logic...so why vote for our 650 MPs to continue this unregulated hemerage..... Of give away moneys to people that have not contributed from other countries... That is financial suicide ...... This country is sinking in give away self inflicted debt .....by MPs
So that means there's billions that could be saved and spent on more important things like paying the national debt, increase nhs spending, stopping cutting services that are needed, etc. We really do need to stop being a country that let's the world and it's wife walk all over us, close the border and stop payments to people who haven't paid into the system for at least 5 years.
yet,i ...a born and bread brit,who worked and save gets told i'm not entitled to anything as i have too much savings.
If I could stop paying my taxes, I would. I'm sick of being fleeced so that we can give the money to all the lazy benefit scroungers in the UK and now all the immigrants who are jumping on the gravy train!
surprise surprise tell us something we don't know and in the mean time i have to work an additional 6 years before i get my pension by which time i will have worked for 50 years that's fair NOT
Contrast this with Indians not 'Asians' you will find a tiny tiny minority claiming benefits. Easily the most successful immigrant community in the UK. Immigration has its benefits if you offer everything on the plate to people where is the incentive to work and get on. Scroungers think we are mugs but now we are international mugs for everyone to exploit.
Nigel, HELP!
The problem isn't just the immigration policies it is the state handouts let's base them on income and limit the years
We give them so much aid, but they still come here to earn benefits. Maybe government should be asking themselves if the aid that they give to these countries is being used appropriately.
Stop the welfare! If you have two arms and two legs you can work! That's how it is in Singapore! No welfare there they HAVE to work!
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first - earl b, Birmingham Here here!!
And don't forget to add foreign aid to all this.
Get out of this country, take your wealth with you, and leave the festering mess behind for the Labour party and their band of idealistic incompetents to carry on funding, in ever growing numbers and costs. The Labour party wants the entire world to become as poor as the poorest person in the world - it's their underlying aim.
As long as seriously ill and disabled British people who have paid tax and National insurance have their benefits taken away or denied though, ay, Mr Duncan-Smith?
EU rules are absolutely clear on this. You only have the right to stay in another EU country if you have work or are seriously seeking, and have a prospect of, finding work. That gives you a window of only three months to stay in a country. It is NOT about going to the EU country paying the most generous benefits. The rules are there to be enforced and other EU citizens who do not meet these requirements can be deported. Why is Britain not doing this, as several other EU countries actually DO?
Why do immigrants who haven't worked and are on benefits qualify for citizenship? Surely one of the requirements ought to be that they are contributing something worthwhile to this country, not helping to drain it dry.
My mother worked hard all her life,had to give up work because of ill health,she was refused benefits said she wasn't entitled, I would like to know how migrants can get it,and the dwp say the system is fair.
Sigh. What did we expect.What an unholy mess.
ok no problem, as we have paid money out in benifits to europian citi-zens, deduct it from what we have to pay into the europian slush fund soon we wont pay a peny in... :)
What happened to we welcome all immigrants as they contribute to the economy ?,another Government lie. Many just take with no intention of doing anything else,but then the ordinary,common sense people of the UK have known this for years. Labour have always encouraged immigration, Conservatives make timid attempts to control it,but in the end our masters in the EU will decide UK policy as usual. Bow to Angela or vote for a party who will so something,the choice is ours.
Send a bill to Brussells. All EU countries should have to declare how much they are paying in benefits to foreign nationals - Britain will be street ahead. We should get a rebate - we could call it the Common Benefits Policy - and should be paid back by Brussells for the scroungers coming here from other EU countries. If you are unemployed in the EU you should have to return to your native land to be unemployed there - and NOT a burden on a host country. Simple.
No surprises there then, this continuous "leaking" of rate payers money will finally bancrupt this Country and the people who actually paid into the system wll receive nothing. It was so predictable that it shames the the so called "leaders " of this once great and thriving Country who have contributed to its inevitable downfall.
Sorry rickyo, charleston. I didnt mean to red down your comment, slip on the finger. If it allowed me I would have green arrowed up one thousand times for your comment!!
No benefits, no housing, no free NHS, problem solved because they won't come here but a quicker solution would be to get us out of Europe and close the borders. Vote UKIP Vote UKIP
to all the the people who were red arrowed about the Inland Revenue worker claiming tax credits, this is why I understood what you were saying and green arrowed your comments. If it ain't money being wasted on MPs its this and if you are willing to take back what you've 'paid in' why not? These people will never contribute but are on this lovely gravytrain for life!
400'000. being given handouts, with no medical by atos and no need to find a job because it will infringe their human rights, all at the top of the housing list with huge grants to furnish the place, but if your a born and bread Brit, then you have no hope, even the dead are told to go to work by atos because they are under trained bafoons with no idea. This country is now a complete lost cause and neither UKIP or anyone will be able to save her if this government carrys on the way it is. However you the public can take a stand.
Vote Ukip its as simple as ABC
I got out of the UK seven years ago...Thank god!!
Thanks Blair
Yeah they are really making a difference to British society!!! What we do without them her claiming welfare!! After all isn't it their human right to claim benefits from the British
I am surprised it took DM such a long time to publish this story. Probably you kept too busy with the celebrity (most of them self acclaimed) hook up and break ups. To me this this is the biggest problem at present and poses threat as the best economy destroyer in future. Sad part is that that this issue is last on any polotical party's agenda being directly affecting their vote bank. However if not tackled now will ruin the country. The country is slowly dividing into two classes- one who earn and pay taxes and the other that takes it away as benefits. The earlier shrinking in size. I have no motivation to work harder for myself as it indirectly for the leeches that the benefit system helps. There is this system called benefit tourism where people from all these EU countries are encouraged to settle in UK due to its generous benefit systems. Pathetic !!
....SEND THE BILL TO TONY BLAIR.
Wow, who'd have thought that would happen!
I agree with Earl, lets concentrate on the UK Mr Cameron. Tighter security on the ports. Stricter immigration policies and certainly if a crime is committed then deportation a certainty after sentence.
No doubt the BBC and Ch4 will report this as "Good News"
this is just great what a country the MP's have made for us punish the old and disabled but lets give away money to those who have never paid into the system
We need to do away with our political system and put in place people who have no political affiliation to run the country. These career politicians have destroyed Britain in the last thirty years.
This figure will rocket from January 2014, with the money they can get on benefit it just isn't worth some people working. They will be on benefit for years, never contributing only taking.
This will not be sorted because this government is out of touch with reality taking as many holidays per year as poorer people take baths due to water rate charges AND they do not live cheek by jowl or shop in the same areas as these immigrants do therefore they are not affected in anyway .They trot out the same old spiel changes will be made to how many are allowed into this country, WHAT about the ones that are here ?. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CUTTING BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.
hang on...arent all immigrants hard working and all brits lazy according to idiots like jamie oliver? blows that stupid argument out the water. oh, and these are goverment figures so the true number is probably two to three times that.......
I have no idea why foreigners even want to come to UK anymore. I would leave if I could afford to
You mean there not all working while the lazy english prefer to be at home watching skye and drawing benefits well well, and this is news eh!!! Well not to me or anyone else who have to live in the real world who are blessed with even half a brain, may i suggest that maybe the sheer numbers of both legal and illegal are not doing us any good, has it occured to any of our elected leaders that we would not have a housing crisis or shortage of REAL jobs or the N.H.S at breaking point or the benefit system in chaos and so on and so on. There is only so much cake you can share until you have to accept less and less until there is nothing left for anyone .
So? Britain must pay back all it stole during the Empire.
Worked all my life and never claimed. So kind of me to provide money for immigrants!!!
Not surprising really, consecutive governments have totally failed on immigration and welfare. But how could Labour have been so foolish to have allowed this situation to occur in the first place!
If you are in Switzerland and from the EU if you lose your job you can claim until your contributions run out. Then your visa is withdrawn and you have to leave. Makes sense to me
What will it take to stop half the World, with no connection to the UK, coming here to live off the current taxpayers?
Defo need to get out of the EU and put a stop to being the easy ride for these people...
The article somewhat neglects to mention that to be eligible for benefits in the UK any non-UK nationals have to prove both residency and that they are registered as a WORKER. (Residency meaning they live here and either pay rent or own a home, and registered as a worker meaning are either working or looking for work. So they are contributing to the UK just as much as anyone else.)
when i left school you could not get any benefits until you had worked for a year so why is it anybody can walk into this country and get it ,we spend billions on foreign aid to most of these countries what is not passed on to the people so then they come here to get it ,stop the foreign aid and use it to pay for this unholy mess that were in and get rid of all the overbloated overseas aid civil servants who cry we must keep helping them but are afraid that their cushy jobs with all the trips abroad would end
So are they stealing our jobs or only coming here to claim benefits? Make your mind up!
So why does the government keep telling us the the foreigners aren't allowed to claim and aren't getting a penny. More lies.
Never mind Syria.....we need need to sort out our own mess....
Maybe Jamie Oliver will employ them all .
It's our fault not controlling immigration
And you wonder why all other services get cut, you cannot have such an influx without it costing somewhere.
Maybe allowed for 6 months and if not got job by then they have to leave country !!!!
Only in UK!! Benefits should be for UK citizens only. This country is a joke when it comes to benefits.
These migrants have no right to work in UK, but get the right to earn benefits. That is back to front for me.
why do we allow this, if your not a british citizen then you shouldnt be allowed to claim benefits...its not hard to grasp is it...go to the job center, show your passport, no passport, no benefits. 1 year with no work and no valid reason for it, benefits stop. simple
Always looking to involve "Africans". Your problem is the flood of Eastern Europeans who have come here mainly to claim free cash that come here freely without any restrictions not Africans. I don't know why this government can't just own up to the fact that they made a mistake with this whole EU thing instead of making Africans and Asians a scape goat...kmt. Red arrow all you like; it doesn't affect me.
This makes me sick... my 21 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in January, subsequently having surgery then radical radiotherapy and he's been denied any kind of benefits and he IS a British citizen!!! As much as he wants to finish school and get a job, he can't.
...and what about the massive increase from Asia/Middle East?
406,000 out of millions and millions. Pales when you consider how much is being paid out to Nationals. As of Febuary of 2013, there were 5.7 million working age benefit claimants. 1.59 million people claiming Employment and Support Allowance. The number of working age claimants of ESA and incapacity benefits totalled 2.48 million. 505,000 lone parents claiming Income Support. 12.8 million claimants of State Pension, of these 40% were male and 60% female. 2.46 million claimants of Pension Credit (3.00 million including partners). 3.30 million recipients of Disability Living Allowance, 1.52 million recipients of Attendance Allowance and 631,000 recipients of Carer's Allowance. Finaly, as of May 2013, the total number of people claiming Housing Benefit was 5.07 million. So I'm not so bothered about 406,000 immigrants, we wouldn't really notice if they stopped claiming...
Solution: everyone has to work for a living. Why do people think that a welfare state is a good thing?
Don't tell our Prime Minister he's to busy trying to get backing to wage war.
The is ridiculous, the only way to stop this problem is to say that anyone entering this country has to support themselves and their families for five years before they are entitled to health, housing or any other kind of benefits. Stop the benefits to people who have been here for less than five years. I know it would be hard and a lot of money would be spent sending anyone home who could not support themselves but we have got to start looking out for ourselves.
Sounds like UKIP is your only hope.
Government has got to sort this - why should British people pay taxes for this?
I don't understand how so many are getting benefits, I am from Canada and have been here 2 years and my spousal visa says directly on it " not entitled to recourse of benefits..." or something to that degree. So how are so many other foreigners getting them? We had to show all our finance and prove we were able to live without claiming (partner is a teacher, I am at moment a stay at home mum) I just don't get it... even job seekers here, how long are you allowed on it? back home when I got laid off I was entitled to my Employment insurance benefit, which I paid into, for only 24 weeks then new job or not tough it ended. Why allow people to remain on benefits indefinitely when they are not ill or disabled? It's nonsensical. *stepping down from soapbox*
If you can claim without paying in, and you allow uncontrolled immigration to people with no jobs, any 6 year old could tell you the system will collapse. Ditto the health service. It is no good blaming fully paid up pensioners.
Hands up all those who think we're better off financially within the EU.
None of the major parties have the will or the courage to tackle this problem and they will just continue to give handouts to foreigners,who should not be entitled to them,indefinately,at the expense of their own people.
Polish neighbour said that he's back off to live in Peterborough next week "because the council are more generous with their benefits". U.K.I.P.
Its astonishing how many people I know are turning to UKIP.They are our only hope before things end up turning really ugly. Brits have had enough.
Its rather simple find work in 6 weeks or leave!!! Vote ukip.
NO!....DO YOU THINK....!
The amount coming in January will run into thousands more for us the British tax payer to keep.welcomed into our country by Cameron who assures us all that its making our country a better place. Cameron is akin to Nero, Fiddling while the country burns. Cameron is destroying the Tory party and that's why we are flocking to UKIP. It's our last and only hope.
This is complete madnesses and its only going to get worse. I've never been able to claim a single penny even though I've paid into it all my life...
JClarke3012, South West, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 03:22 How do you know they will put an end to it? Didnt tories claim to deal with the immigration issue- nothing done. This is all labours doing!
We live in a country where people get paid for doing nothing and you wonder why people from other countries want to get in on the act. But Bob Geldoff has got his wish UK is now feeding the world or at least giving benefits to the world.
Just stop, yes stop, none, nil, no more payments for until we can 1. Afford it & 2.have a system we can reply on for benefits. It would stop, in an instant, whoever tries to claim for the wrong reasons!
And whays wrong with thay.Its what liebour wanted so lets live with it.I enjoy working 50 hours a week to pay for handouts.Time to sell up and go on the rock and role myself and reep the benefits.
And our inept bloody useless Government allows it to go on and on and on ............................. UKIP for me to stop this country been the toilet of the mighty EU
I still don't understand why we won't receive any benefits abroad but we just and give. Even though I don't one voter wants it. Thanks guys
B-b-b-but this MUST be wrong , because the Left has been telling us for years how much immigrants help the economy. Oh , hang on - could it possibly be that the DM article is CORRECT and that it's the Left who have lied through their teeth ? Hmmm.....
Kinda kills that whole immigrants are "harder working" myth doesn't it?
Come on people!! If Britain is a rich or strong country, it's because of Africa. Read the terrible history and find out what they have done and still doing to Africa.from the vibration on our mobile phones to the crown on our beloved queens head and many more... Say whatever you want to say to immigrants from other countries but not AFRICANS!!!
The next election can't come soon enough - for the sake of our children please vote UKIP.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder , HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 02:35 --------------- Failed system indeed! It seems the poor British tax payer is subsidising large areas of the world together with immigrants from those same parts of the world, together with the immigrants from Europe. All of this would change dramatically if Britain had the good sense to rid itself of the infamous EU. The whole set up is a disaster.
And you people will still vote at the next election. DON'T VOTE!!!! When will you learn? Bobby, Leicester
No surprise there. Why go and get a job when the benefits system is so lucrative and you can sit and watch tv all day. The benefit system in this country encourages people to do nothing.
if you add dependents it is a huge amount of money we spend on immigration.Cant we just stop importing the low skilled from the four corners of the earth (and maybe offer incentives to those that will never be beneficial to go back)
Yeah and how many pensioners can't afford to eat or it their heating on in winter- this country is a disgrace! Stop letting people who haven't paid into the system claim.
It's so wrong because my friend moved here from Canada, she had to prove she had enough money to survive if she lost her job, enough money for a flight home... when she did lose her job through redundancy she wasn't entitled to any benefits and yet these people come over here and become a massive drain on the system...
Tell us something we didn't know. You see them walking around the streets all the time. There is no way they could support themselves without taxpayers assistance. They are clogging up the schools, clogging up the housing, clogging up the hospitals and drive on our roads without passing an UK driving test. Vote UKIP.
The British Tax Payer is a mug!
We need to get out of the EU
UKIP.
We cannot afford to keep on paying this money out. We MUST impose the sort of rule that was used when our welfare society was first established. If you have not paid in for a significant time then you get nothing!
I resent these payments to the people who have never contributed a single penny towards the welfare system. I am 71 and still work full time and pay my dues!
One years NI contribution and they can have a pension unlike us who are penalised if we don,t put in forty years.
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once. DM please release my comments!!!!! its been 3 tries!!!
I was talking to a spanish guy the other day and i was asking him how come he moved to the UK if he liked it here and stuff like that. He said he had a job in Spain that pays him €1,500 a month plus his wife was working full time as well, they have two children. He said if he could get benefits he would stick around as life here would be "easier", if he didn't he would go back and take his old job and keep working. So is not only Romanian that's ruining the system, take a good look and stop being so racist! In my opinion only British people should get housing benefits, immigrants WHO PAYS TAKES should have limited access to it so no one would take advantage of it and they would stop breeding and asking for benefits.
British passport holders only should get benefits, and only those that have paid tax for a minimum of 5years. Put this billions saved into education and health services, housing and transport
Here's an idea DM, quit reporting the obvious that we all pretty much know and that way the hard working people who have to go to work early in the morning while all the lay abouts are still in bed waiting for re-runs of jeremy kyle dont have to feel miserable everyday thinking there going to work for nothing?
It will go our headstone " The UK was Generous but stupid"
Things will only get worse untill we have UKIP in government.
Oh well never mind, according to Cameron there is still enough left in my hard earned pockets to fund another war too, I must be richer than I even knew.
Wait until the floodgates open in 2014
Really ? ..... Well that for eign work-ethic argument didn't last long, did it ?
And you are surprised that we British are sick of working to pay taxes to keep these people who have put 0 into the system. Maybe we have become lazy because of this.
Cameron sits in his Ivory Tower planning air strikes while Britain sinks, This is not what I have paid taxes for all my life and will be voting UKIP. No one should get a penny unless paid into the system.
Do away with benefits to anyone not born in Britain. Yes you can come and live/work here. But dont expect a handout. If you pay tax for 3 years you can even use the NHS as long as you conitye in work. Otherwise you must carry private insurance. Until we say no the rot will continue.
It is only right that if people qualify they get benefits. The same benefits are there for you too, should you ever have the mis-fortune to require them.
Come on - make your mind up - one minute they're taking all our jobs and Jamie Oliver wouldn't have any restaurants without them, and the next minute they're all workshy scroungers? Have a careful look at where these supposed stats come from before making your judgement...
This is the war on our doorstep we should be fighting.
Just a short and (in)sincere thankyou to Tony Bliar from the bottom of my stomach for his generosity and kindness in allowing in 'anyone and everyone' from the A8 countries at a time when pretty much every other EU state said "No!" Bliar you are a traitor to this country and your party... but I gather the JP Morgan salary more than makes up for it eh? were you not part of the establishment you would have been in the Hague a long time ago!!
What have the public been saying ?! Yet, STILL, they allow those who come here to live can claim benefits and allowances without having put one penny into ''the pot'' ! Time to stop this unfair nonsense which is destroying this , once, lovely country.
Are the same payments offered to British citizens living in other countries in the EU, I don't think so, Britain is the laughing stock of the World.
It's absolutely disgraceful! It amazes me that everyone wonders why this country is going to pot. This is obviously the main reason. The system is being abused by immigrants and we the honest taxpayers are just sitting back and watching it happen and so is our government. Something needs to be done and fast as this is getting out of control and will only lead to trouble and unrest eventually. UKIP needs to be given a chance. Let's face it nobody could do any worse than this awful lot that are governing now.
open borders and soft politicians. don't ya just love em.
Well what a shock.... NOT! Blair said this would never happen and we all said it would and he called us racist so that the conversation could never be had and the problem brushed under the carpet.... he should be tried for treason
This has got to be stopped
I'm African and marjority of us works we came here to better ourselves and as soon as I get to where I want I'm going back as this country is a JOKE!!! the more you work you get taxed but the lazy you are you get rewarded.... Tbh UK people your country fellow men and woman are the ones you need to concentrate on cause without foreigners working their backsides off this country is going down and very fast as I've never seen lazy people that moan and moan about nothing in my life!!!! So get it right you need foreigners!!!!
At first I started to write to complain about this sorry mess our previous and present leaders have dragged this once great nation down to, but whats the use, nobody in our government is listening or give a rats a*rse in what I have to say. I'm sitting back now and WAITING, waiting for the next general election when I and many others like me can have our say and change the face of this country for the better, for the future of out grandchildren -UKIP
There is no greater pleasure then spending other peoples's money!
Tell us something we didn't already know! Despite what the government presumes, we are not complete fools!
Please don't keep printing stories like this DM. Because it really makes my blood boil and ruins my day and there's nothing I can do about it.
So lets get involved in another war to take the focus off immigration and what will happen in Jan 2014 !!!!!!
Overheard a group of immigrants at a local boot sale the other week one couple had bumped into another and their newborn baby. The first couple then said your ok now you've had a baby you will get to stay you wont be sent home. The UKs gone mad..... even immigrants know how to work the system and we are too PC to do a thing about it.
Coming to light now just what damage Liebour did when in power!
How come these people are allowed to walk in and pick up cash, here in OZ its 2 years after entering the country as a legal immigrant that you can get anything in benefits.
Another example of why I will be voting UKIP. get these people out of our country so we can look after our own.
So pleased that myself & my partner both have the pleasure of full time jobs and each have second jobs as we desperately try to save a deposit so we can buy our 1st house and then consider starting a family. Thank you so much dear government for allowing us the privilege of supporting so many people who have not added to our economy & thank you again for not giving a rats behind about us hard working uk tax payers. Would you like some of my blood too?
Really, sarcasm will not help.
Are we surprised? I'm so fed up of all this - I ask myself why do I bother working? The whole system is a joke - bring back the system from 1949!! UKIP are coming in......
I am sick of paying huge taxes to give a cushy life to work shy Brits and scrounging foreigners. So I'm moving to Oz where I'll get to keep more of my hard earned money. Britain is ruining itself with its lax laws.
Just what we wanted to read before going off to work to pay more tax to subsidise these scroungers! Send them back!
They should not be allowed in unless they have a job to come to and the employer pays sufficient to support that person fully. No family in unless the worker fully supports them and they have to leave when contract ends. If they do not enter the country legally then no benefit. Can we go to France looking for work and get housed free NO.
It is all too easy to get the state to support and pay for entire existance. Generally those that are prepared to work will receive little or even nothing at all, as they will most likely have have the determination and own personal respect to sort them selves out. When my wife was made redundant a month before giving birth, we where given nothing. Once we had the baby we receved state funded paternety pay, and nothing more. We where told that we could not get working tax credits or anything else for that matter. As my sallary was over £33,000 we where denied everything. Our Despite our mortgage being over £1200 a month, leaving us just £600 a month to pay for every thing else. Out out goings where £200 a month more then i was bringing in. We have both worked our entire adult lives, never claiming a thing and both paying both tax and NI for over 35 years between us. As i said, those who need a little help will always get an answer off no.
we have to start to encourage these people to go back to where they come from, not entice them here with free handouts, the sooner we leave the EU the better.
And I always thought we Brits were smart. Wrong!
When is this crass stupidity going to stop?
As one Bulgarian said to me 'the UK is golden land!` says it all really. The Government are on cloud cuckoo land as in January there will be many more claiments to add to the hundreds of thousands already claiming.
Madness Total Madness........Lunatics running the Asylum!!
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once.
Makes me weep, we are fast losing services our children's futures are not secure, no housing for them, failing health service and education. Our pensions will be the next to be affected I've said or years if you've paid into a private pension to top up your government one you WILL lose your state pension as there will not be enough money. They will say you have to live on your private one as there is not enough money to pay for ones who have not either worked or saved for their retirement. Hard workers are on a hiding to nothing.
What a pity the Government cannot show the same enthusiasm on immigration control as it has for Syria where sabre rattling goes on at a high level, with costs already mounting. really what is wrong with British Politics ??
Anyone surprised by this news I doubt it.
Would I be able to claim benefits in these countries? No, I wouldn't. So why does this government think it's OK to spend OUR taxes on benefits for people who have never paid into the system? We cannot afford to keep the world and his mother in benefits.
While many of these have the right to claim benefits due to their coming from Commonwealth countries, there are many more from outside the Commonwealth. Having said that,neither group should have an automatic right and this must end now. We cannot afford it, and it only encourages greater immigration, which is damaging to this country. We have been a soft touch for far too long. The percentage by which the benefits bill has risen due to immigration is astonishing and must not be allowed to rise any further.
and they state the english young are lazy , what they talkin about
Wrong!
Our politicians must think every taxpayer in the UK has fool stamped on their forehead.{I don't mean fool really I'm being polite.
Why the hell are so many from Asia and the Middle East claiming benefits here?
been in UK for twenty yrs from Kenya. I always worked and paid my taxes. why can't this mess be sorted?
From the International Health Service to a International Benefits System, no wonder we are broke!
Don't understand why immigrants are eligible at all (or have free access to schools or NHS). There should be a suitable period and/or amount of employment/earning/tax paying before having access to pulic funds and services. This means come with private health insurance, have a secure job, and send your kids to a fee paying school. If conditions are breached after arrival, then go home or get a friend/family member to pay. I massively resent paying any amount of tax to subsidise health, welfare, and education of those who will never be a net-contributor to our economy.
Oh yes. And that figure most likely dosnt include the cost to the tax payer via the NHS and free education. I feel angry that genuine benefit claimants from is country are being stigmatised by the government for costing so much money and our elderly and disabled are suffering hugely when a large proportion of the problem is outlined in this report. Just disgusting.
We owe these people NOTHING.
These facts are truly unbelievable. Disgusting. Why Why Why are we paying these migrants "benefits" ?? These migrants governments won't pay them these "benefits". If I go to Poland, for example, I will not be able to claim "benefits", so why can Poles and other migrants come to UK and claim ? Millions of UK citizens are really struggling to keep their heads above water, yet, as quoted, billions is leaking out the back door.
I lived and worked in several overseas countries at no time was I entitled to any benefits in any of those places at any time.
@MH414.....totally agree with you. This is what I can't understand. Get one family member in and hey ho....
this government attacks our own sick,disabled, poor and pensioners and then give it all to parasites flooding this country with more to come next year.
From abroad - not working and claiming benefits? Then you must be removed and sent back to your home country ASAP. No 'human rights' rubbish or other silly edicts from the rubbish in Strasbourg - just get out!
WHY DO WE LET THEM DO THIS?! IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!
This is why we will be voting for UKIP A BRITISH PARTY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE we want our country back, and we will get it back......
When is any uk government going to stand up?Enough is enough.
And then there are the countrymen and women who work hard all their lives and put into the system non stop only to find they have eye watering hurdles to jump over when they, through no fault of their own, do have to use the system. These are the people who are entitled to use the system but the system fails relentlessly!! And then the government wonders why people are so angry...they haven't got a clue!!
Since we also have to pay housing and other benefits to non-uk "workers" on un-employment benefit, it would be cheaper to encourage them to go back home by continuing the un-employment benefit when they have gone. Cheaper still, just pay them the benefit back in Eastern Europe so they don't have to come here in the first place. We could estimate how many people will need it, and just send it over.
just wait until next year
Oh these must be the immigrants we need To boost the economy and pay the pensions of the retired!!!
Get out of the EU, dump human rights laws and vote UKIP or continue down this road. When the money in the coffers gets too low under Liblabcon our old age pensioners will have their money taken but this lot will still get theirs.
It's a joke. Nobody should be claiming any sort of benefits, not unless they have made a sizeable contribution to the pot. And we wonder why we are short of money. Not blaming immigrants, but it has certainly not helped out our own situation. We are set to do this all over again come Jan 2014. The majority will find work, the majority will pay taxes, but again there will be percentage forced on to benefits, and those that do work will get all the standards benefits of being in the UK, free schools, doctors, hospitals and other services. It all costs more and more money.
This proves that immigration brings only good things to the country. Well, as far as DWP staff are concerned who now have good old jobs for life again dealing with all these claims!
Time we dealt with it properly, no qualifications we want , no entry ! The problem will only escalate unless we get tough. Furthermore please remember a lot of these migrants travel across several European borders to get here. Still word is still out there that the UK is a soft touch !
I throught that charity begins at home. Lets see what spin that Mr C can come up with.
It appears to suit someone's political agenda - wait till the bubble bursts!
wish I were a foreigner in my own Country, I'd probably have more success with my benefit claim. I'd certainly be entitled to various different benefits and free courses if I was. That is my experience.
Now there's a superise
Meanwhile the state retirement age increases from 65 to 66 then quickly to 68 cos we can't afford to pay thepension. For who''ve worked for years but due to the kind of work and / or slight congenital illnesses / disabilities can't continue, even in apart time job because of their medical condition the futures very bad. If over a life time you saved at least £16k you get no financial support from the state. You are required to live off your savings until they run dry or the state pension becomes payable. For the aged with disabilities the future is not good. You'll work whilst you're in pain , then your employer will sack you when you can't do your job, then the state will squeeze you some more until you're broke financially, physically and mentally ... you'll be left to die in poverty because you were unlucky not to be born as physicaly strong as others or sustained injuries working! Meanwhite, those who've never paid into the system take all that you've paid in? How can this
Don't get me started..........
Nobody who hasn't paid into the system for x amount of years should be able to claim.
How can an illegal immigrant claim benefits?! That just sums this country up! A bloody joke!
Every man and his dog can claim and the UK is fast disappearing down the toilet.
No matter what evidence emerges, our politicians seem oblivious to the fact that immigration is NOT good for the UK. There is a simple solution and that is to stop all immigration now and stop payment of benefits to any illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants should receive no benefits unless they have worked here for a minimum of 5 years. Unless our politicians take positive action now then our whole benefits system will simply be crushed by the ever increasing numbers of claimants.
"Number of foreigners claiming UK benefits leaps 41% in 5 years: More than 400,000 now handed payouts that cost taxpayers billions each year." Well, well, well, who would have thought it, foreigners coming here to claim benefits. Come on Cable, grow a pair, come on Cameron, Clegg, Harman, Cooper, Blunkett, Straw and Balls, get some and stop this ludicrous insistence that foreigners all come here to work and instead once a foot is in the door they bring over the rest of their family or even families. All politicians were warned about this situation time and again over the last decade and longer but they all turned a deaf ear. Get a grip of immigration instead of following the PC brigade and their line.
Can I have a tax rebate please. The only benefits either myself or my ex wife claimed were a small amount of tax credit and child benefit. My children are out in the world supporting themselves and have been since they were 18 and none of us have been a burden on the NHS. As a single man living on my own I think if I lost my job, the chances of me ever being able to claim anything like the amount of benefits being paid to foreigners is very unlikely. I shall be voting UKIP because I am fed up of being taken for a ride by self serving politicians who have nothing but their own interests at heart.
Hang on, I thought they had a magnificent work ethic, and that they had come here to work and do the jobs the lazy British won't do. Isn't that what the Thought Police have been telling us? Now we see that not ony have they de-valued our job market, but they are quite happy to caim benefits paid for by the lazy British for the lazy British. As predicted by all but the most greedy employers and our strangely disconnected succession of governments, mass imigration is resulting in abuse and fracture in our society.
UK becoming America?
ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
To describe our politicians as misguided, deluded, incompetent, PC idiots would be the understatement of the century. And they are doing WHAT to fix this mess?
And yet the government still pedals the same myth that immigrants pay more in than they take out, if they know how many then they should be able to tell us how they are paying out and should publish the full cash amount per year of how much they are paying out, they will not as there will be uproar.
What a joke! How has this happened. I just don't understand this country. They are quite happy to continue to ruin us.
And this clown we have will do nothing to stop it he wants to go to war instead of getting our own country's problems sorted out.
Over to you Cameron, are we to hear more talk or see some action? I think I know what it will be as does everyone else.
We told you so and keep telling you. No wonder they all want to come here. Is it really necessary to say it? Vote UKIP!
It's all OK because Tony Bliar is going to foot the bill for all his little Darlings
No no no no! You should have to pay taxes for AT LEAST 1 year before you're eligible to claim benefits as an immigrant!!!
Cameron is doing nothing to stop it at all. Vote UKIP or we are doomed!
Thank you bLIAR!!!
And back in the real world British disabled are being forced back to work by a French company just to save money for the government. How many foreign disability claimants are being told to return to work or even start work for the first time. I can tell you, none. The government don't want to be called racist but its ok to attack our own who have paid taxes for years. Time this was looked at.
Don't worry, still a drop in the Ocean compared to the billions paid to British citizens!!!
Sorry regardless of what our EU friends say that we must pay the same benefits to all EU migrants living and working over here. You should have to pay in for at least 5 years to even start drawing any benefits.. I will also voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess..
and still they only target /demonise british claimants as feckless scroungers whilst paying not born/bred here people fortunes to come here to live ,cut the benefits to non brits they will soon stop arriving what can our blind politicians not see ?
Total reform is needed, the system is close to collapse. Time to have a flat rate payment which is payed in proportion to the number of years contributions, from say ten years contributions 100% to no contributions zero.
And our woolly political class do nothing. They wonder why we hate them - there is no money for our own and we have enough lazy people who could work. So that is why I shall be voting UKIP the only party that is addressing this and many more things our little posh boys (all three) have no idea about.
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
If it is made so easy for them to claim benefits, who can blame them?. There are many immigrants that now work in the areas that dispense these hand outs i.e. dole, NHS, immigration dept., ,local council etc. etc. etc., do you not think they are not assisted or even fast tracked to handouts????????. COME ON UK. WAKE UP STOP BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
UK, Social Services provider for the rest of the World. What the hell are our Politicians and Civil Servants playing at. Disgusted. I,m definitely voting UKIP!
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
People that come into the Uk should be able to support themselves , not the British taxpayer
What a mess our country is in, I dread to think what our country will be like in 10 years time, we are swamped with people who should not be here, why does the goverment not listed to the people who pay their wages
More fool you lot...
Nice to see where my taxes are going, rather than funding better schools, health care and social security for workers and decent pension schemes.
We need to make it harder to get benefits we can't continue like this!
Hey you all must be wrong, leftys keep telling us that migrants are really good for our economy, after all there answers are always right as they get it from divine intervention.....Oh no wait... we are in the real world. I despise the left
Dumping Ground for illiterate and unskilled labour
Ha Ha now charge who for these mistakes
Words fail me.
And what about housing and the NHS. Bleeding our country dry vote ukip at all opportunities
Why?
This is a disgrace it seems working for a living is now out of fashion
Labour don't want a cap on benefits, benefits should be paid to those who pay into the system.
This goverment doesn't care as long as its not effecting them, let them keep coming more people that come even if they are here just for freebies they are potential voters.
It can be stopped......just change the rules. Make Britain great again rather than let it slip further down the drain. First call......stop child benefit, we do not need to encourage families to have more children. This is only adding to our huge bills and making future generations of families face child poverty while irresponsible adults breed for funding their lifestyles. Start this from today for all new additions. Our system is far too generous, workers and tax payers should not be responsible for lax birth control by others nor should those in power encourage this.
Why, why, why?
Infuriates me so much. We looked at emigrating to Australia but didn't have the skill set to get in there despite my husband having a good job over here. A different story in the UK we let anytime over and then pay them benefits too. This country is going to rack and ruin.
Told you so, it was on the cards.Everbody knows what a soft touch the British welfare system is. Could that be the reason that we have a problem with mass illegal immigration.
UKIP anyone?
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
No wonder there is a queue to get here and why the country's finances are out of control.
Look at the figures and look at the lumping of areas together, or in the case of the eu, seperating them.. you can see the biggest spongers are Europeans on our system. Asia and the Middle East are huge compared to Europe. Out of the eu and we could save billions.. in benefits alone!
So the truth is out, this is the real reason my wife has to wait until she is 66 to get her pension. We are a joke the scum of the world come here & hold their hand out for benefits whilst tax payers who have worked all their lives pay for it. I'll be voting UKIP.
Ok so most of it is Middle East and Asia maybe just maybe get someone to check whether every single of that claimants is legally here and if not buy them ticket home. Surely gonna be cheaper then all benefits they claim
Well Britain will not be a Great Britain in the future. We will be a poor country. We can't afford to sustain the whole of Europe and beyond! I can't understand why we ever joined the EEU - I think it was to be milked dry! We should be more like America.
And the Government wonders why our country is in such a mess! This country is seen as a joke to the free loaders, no matter where they are from.
And yet our hard-earned money is pumped abroad by Cameron to despots and other countries who don't even want our money. Whenever UK's 'foreign aid' is mentioned it makes me feel sick that our cash is being squandered when there are cancer patients we refuse to treat on cost-basis, firestations being disbanded, roads pitted with huge holes, a crumbling (International)HS..... We are funding millions of people from abroad, either in our tiny country or their dependents abroad as this article states. It's an absolutely diabolical state of affairs, looking after others when we can ill afford to.
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
And we wonder why we're in a mess. Yet when my husband was off sick for 3 months we couldn't get a penny because I worked 20 hours and they didn't care I had 2 children to care for. We look after everyone but our own.
no no NO. Immigrants come here to work, and only take the jobs we do not want to take, remember?? After all, our politicians couldn't be lying to us about that.....COULD THEY?
Your comments: The champagne socialists are MUGS.
we going to have another war soon so we got plenty of money.
This country has turned into a cess pit and the previous goverments should be held for treason
This is ridiculous. You should not be allowed into this country unless you can support yourself. Why should you be able to come here and have everything paid for you? And education should not be free unless you pay tax! Britain is actually hilarious how ridiculous it is.
So that's where all the tax pay in every month goes to.
And like the mugs we are we continue to be slaves to HMRC and the bigger mugs in parliament know it but cannot conjure up a mechanism to stop it. What creatures of habit we are. Whilst we work , work, work and pay, tax, tax ,tax these intruders grab, grab, grab all they can. And a good percentage can't even behave as they soak it all up
So come on left wing liberals.......defend this please? We are always told by the BBC and others that immigration has a positive effect on the UK economy and that we couldn't function without it. Well we could do without the huge benefits bill that they generate for starters!
Small amount compared to the amount of benefits claimed by MPs and civil servants pensions.
If migrants become unemployed within five years of coming here, they should either find alternative work immediately or go home. No benefits for them before they've paid in for five years minimum.
EU immigrants, well, we signed up for that, and lots of Brits are in EU countries. If they don't give out such generous benefits, that's our stupidity, not theirs. But WHY are any Africans at all in the UK? Stop ALL benefits to anybody who has not WORKED for a minimum of five years in the UK, and watch the boats fill up...
Your comments:how are these people eligible is beyond me
So although east europeans are working, most jobs are low paid so we the taxpayer top up their wages with other benefits. Therefore the employers are paying them low wages which we the taxpayer have to also fund so we the taxpayer are paying for these employers to make an even bigger profit !!!.
Not surprised where I live a homeless Romanian woman with 3 children was given a 3 bedroomed semi with front and back gardens ahead of people who have been on the waiting list for years and who are working, she has never put a penny into the system but reaps everything council tax, child benefit etc .The children go to school locally and yes she is self employed selling the big issue I am an alone when I think something needs to be done.
The only thing that will resolve this is further cuts the benefits. It is the ludicrous sums and the comfortable lifestyle that can be afforded by these claimants at the expense of the hard working individuals who are don't constantly moan about there human rights and how there cat will suffer if they go out to work.
In my opinion ,if we brought a law out that excluded any foreigner from claiming benefits un til they had worked and resided here for a number of years,then not only would it half the amount of people coming toy our shores ,it would mean that the ones that do are genuine!
The current situation is unsustainable. The influx of EU workers has driven down wages, forced many British workers to accept pay cuts, and some to lose their jobs to cheaper immigrants. As wages are driven down the tax take is also lower, but the amount paid in benefits rises, to cover child tax credits, working tax credits, housing benefit, unemployment benefit etc. There is also extra costs for housing, education, health. I would like a politician to explain exactly who in this country, open borders are benefiting. It certainly is not the ordinary worker.
I can imagine me going to East Europe or Africa and being paid benefits. The country is an absolute shambles run by incompetent politicians of all ilk.
Cancel the lot make it means tested ONLY & ONLY if you have contributed TAX/NI for 5 years minimum PER adult anything else is a complete travesty.
Next year you will be wishing that was all it was, when you get them all, shows how the UK needs imigrants to survive as the MP's like to tell us
A lot of immigrant groups are now into their second and third generation so that those cultures that perform very badly and rely on benefit's won't be reflected in these figures.
The only fools who did not expect this are the politicians who are supposedly in charge, never mind we, the tax payer, will pay. Now when were we asked........
I wonder how the statistics would look if they showed NON-EU/Commonwealth against EU/Commonwealth recipients? I think, then we would see an even bigger balance.
thought Jamie Oliver said immigrants are better and harder workers if he didn't make them work 80-100 hour's a week he could hire some more doing the normal 40 hour week and in the mean time helping the country get rid of some of the foreign benefits scroungers
This is the legacy that Blair and Labour have left us. Blair and Brown ran the worst government ever
This is disgusting, there should be no way of being able to move into this country if you are unable to support yourself & your family, why do we have to fund the lives of people who haven't bothered putting a penny in themselves? If you move to this country you shouldn't be able to claim benefits straight away or be entitled to free healthcare. There needs to be some big changes in this country.
Jamie Oliver did you read this. not everyone for abroad is hard working and wonderful. it is also true that not all Brits are lazy and workshy..
if you haven't contributed to our taxation and national insurance system for at least 5 years, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim anything from it. Nowhere else in the world is this allowed to happen, its no wonder we are full of immigrants with many more entering illegally every day. Time to get it sorted and say NO
Do they really think if we went to their countries we could get the same treatment, not a chance
Since when were we responsible for Africans and those from the Middle East? Not enough that we have a huge influx from Eastern Europe...where I live it's gone from being a place where people knew each other to a land of foreigners and no longer a place I know.
"Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits ."- williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07---------------------Even that is the tip of said iceberg as after 3 years arrivals can claim citizenship and hence no longer count as foreigners.If we were to ever be shown the figures for those who were born abroad or whose parents were born abroad the stats would be staggering.
That's O.K. there's still a couple of bob left to steal from the hard (and ever harder and longer) working middle and the savings of the thrifty. At least we'll be able to house them properly when Nick Boles' concrete Britain gets going. With friends like our politicians......................
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP.
Meanwhile, our own sick and disabled are having their benefits cut. We should be sending these people home if they cannot support themselves which would free up housing, hospital and school places and reduce the financial impact on already over burdened taxpayers. Despite successive Government messages that immigration is good for the UK, under such circumstances, it is most definitely not.
Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.
Will any surprised P.M.s please stand up for the U.K., for a change.?..............Con. member.
VOTE UKIP....shocking stats that are only going to get worse with foreigners coming here. Africans coming and claiming off our benefits system that our parents have paid into for years and didn't even claim from. Absolute Joke of a country. Welcome to multicultural Doogooder Britain.
And the Government wants more immigration, with a right to vote in any EU referendum. Folks! we have a rouge Government that needs to be stopped, look how close we have come to a third world war under Cameron recently. They are all out of control and living in their own reality, not ours.
Schools bursting at the seams with migrant children,NHS that can't cope and they always go to the top of the social housing while our own military service personnel sit behind them in the queue, they are here for the benefits only and have destroyed our country in doing so, this government and the previous one should hang their heads in shame, can't wait till January.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.You will certainly need all the luck in the world in the next ten years or so. Tax payers in the U.k. you really were sold a pup all those years ago.Oh well.
Joining the EU is quickly getting you down to their level!!!!!!!
SOFT JOHNNY ENGLISH..... THATS US
Why else do you think they came here.......the weather???
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance?
Students shouldn't be receiving any benefits. If they are coming here to study they should be able to fund their education and their stay or they should be asked to leave. Or are these students of these so-called universities that were closed because they were nothing but fronts for getting people into the country? In which case they are here under false pretences and again they should be made to leave.
Our country is being swamped by foreigners and our welfare system is being plundered by them. Why, for God's sake, can our politicians not see this AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Just when are our governments going to wake up to the FACTS?
There is only ONE answer, vote UKIP in 2015. They will cancel HS2 Get us out of the EU, get us out of the Human (criminal) Rights Act and stem Immigration.
And what have they contributed? No pay in, no pay out.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits . - williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07***I've no problem with that if they are working. Plenty of ;natives' have NEVER worked & claim ALL the benifits; We know an English family living in France that haven't had any incme for 3 years and they are on FRENCH benifits whilst only contributing to the French ststem for 2 years. It doesn't only happen in the UK. British people also claim benifits abroad................take a look at the Spanish figures for the number of UK nationals claiming Spamish benifits.
a total of 406,900 non-UK nationals were claiming work-related benefits such as jobseekers¿ allowance, incapacity benefit and disability living allowance in the year to February 2012. COME ON THEN I.D.S. JUSTIFY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, OR IS IT EASIER FOR THE DWP JUST TO PENALISE OUR OWN CITIZENS. ????????????
Put Blair on trial!
stop this nonsense now, unless you have put in for at least ten years you get nowt! zilch! nicht! nyder! nothing! zero!
Just one more thing to thank Bliar for then.. of course no one in the current coalition seems in a hurry address the problem. EU OUT NOW PLEASE!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
I'm a Brit living in France and I'm desperately looking for work here --- there is no equivalent of JSA unless you've previously paid into the system. To make matters worse all the information available IS ONLY IN FRENCH.
I'm fed up with this country having to put up with cherry picking benefit scroungers from Eastern Europe and third world countries. UKIP it is!
Frankly, I don't care if they're foreigners or not! If they're taking advantage of this ridiculous system then they're hurting the average, hardworking tax payer
Makes my blood boil. I thought we were going to get a grip on this sort of thing. UKIP can't come soon enough for me.
The UK is now being milked like a dairy cow, our kids futures are really looking bleak. I never thought the UK would be destroyed like this.
As the figures have shot up in the last two years, it makes a nonsense of Duncan Smith's endless statements that he has stopped it all........... He seems content to penalise low paid and out of work Brits who have paid in, leaving many homeless and even poorer, whilst hurling money at foreign nationals who have not paid a penny into the system. The numbers will really explode next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.
And what's dodgy Dave gonna do about it? Exactly, nothing......nothing whatsoever. VOTE UKIP and get out of the EU NOW.
I find it appalling that the management of the UK's financial affairs have been allowed to sink into such a diabolical situation. The Civil Service is inundated with an overpaid under performing staff, in drastric need of a completely new restructureing,quite impossible with the abilities uuf the current parliament.
Can't wait to read the comments
Ah the same ones that are suppose to be bringing their knowledge and wealth here I suppose.
If they can't contribute.....send them home. QUICKLY! The UK taxpayer does not want them here as sponges to our stretched system. Thanks a bundle for your "Take all" immigration policy Mr.Blair, you have messed my country up a treat.
don't give them a bean
STOP ANY MORE IMMIGRATION BEFORE THE FLOOD GATE OPEN NEXT YEAR.WHAT ARE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WORKING FOR,TO GIVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE IT, AND DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
its ok if the UK goes bankrupt, as long as 'johnny foreigner' is well kept that's ok NOT!!!
Just maybe the DM will take up a campaign and do something rather than wind everyone up with the constant depressing miserable stories.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first
why are we giving them these handouts? they should get exactly what they get in their home contry nothing more.
The reason the Government can't see this is because they think it is normal! All you have to do is sick your nose into Westminster and take a look at the support staff and see how many are from this Country!
Well they are not here for the weather are they...!!!
It is quite simple to cure this. If you haven't contributed for 5 years, you get nothing. If that was implemented, I wonder if we'd get so many wanting to come here?
Are you reading this Tony and Gordon?
Welcome to Britain, Should read " sorry we're full ". The UK has become a joke people should not be allowed into the UK unless they can support themselves... period.
And does the Government really care, of course not....its us that are paying.
Free money and they will keep coming and coming. The country is finished. Get out of the EU and stop feeding the world, Mr. Cameron
why...?...benefits should only be for citizens...and only if they qualify.
If this situation carries on it will not be long before there are more claimants than taxpayers, and we all know that this will lead us in to Carey St. The folly of our politicians is boundless.
And a lot of them don't even speak English, an interpreter is needed to help them claim benefits, adding to the financial burden.
It really is about time that the benefits system had an overhaul. We need a system similar to many countries in Europe whereby the level of benefit payments are based on what the individual has paid in - i.e. someone who has never worked or contributed should get vouchers whereas someone who has worked all their life and been made redundant should get a payment based on their wage. A much fairer system all round.
Yet still they are doing nothing about the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians that will start in January! If Britain came out of the EU it wouldn't be forced to pay these ludicrous benefits.
Nice to at last seen a breakdown of British and non British claimants. So much for the lies about the economic benefits of immigration being force fed to us over the years. In reality the quality of most of the immigrants over many years has been abysmally low, and a big drain on our diminishing resources!
they should not be allowed to claim any benifits for atleast 5 years and if they come here disabled im sorry but why should we pay for a disabled person from another country, this is just not fair on the tax payer and on brits that try to claim but get refused total madness.
Remember all the assertions that immigrants weren't claiming benefits, largely because they couldn't? Just like the claims that among disability benefit claimants there were infinitesimally low rates of fraud. that the rate of fraud. Both drivel.
Welcome to benefit Britain!!
Really wish this could be a Great country again .We need to sort our borders out and get out of the E.U NOW . But sadley the gates have been open so long we cqn not get rid of the ones who are here already .
Welcome to the land of milk and honey,but mainly MUGS.
Should be so simple. Uk benefits paid to UK nationals. Foreigners should get nothing. What would we get in another country?
Shocking. Why does Britain put up with such nonsense from the EU? This is not sustainable. Disaster on the horizon.
This country is ******* joke!
yet the government still tell us the migration is palying a major part of the recovery of the uk........and to think we the romanians and the bulgarians all welcome to the land of milk and honey. Sick of reading about this all the time,and then you get the likes of posh boy jamie oliver slagging off the brits just so he can justify emplying foreign workers for cheap money.
Englands problems solved in 4 words, STOP THE WELFARE STATE
We already knew this and it's completely and utterly immoral and wrong, because it is robbing us tax payers to pay for those who haven't contributed a penny. My vote goes to the party who commits to sorting this farce out.
And they worry about a few Pensioners claiming extra benifits while living abroad having paid their taxes all their lives ,sort out the problems of scroungers from around the world first.then worry about the minority.
In Spain I cannot claim a penny and it belongs to the evil EU, why?
Just vote UKIP and put an end to this madness.
Is this really news , I could see this coming years ago . What did the labour government actuall expect ? Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted !
....... thank you Mr Blair and Brown for allowing this to happen under your watch ....... And Labour still fail to acknowledge there is a problem and fail to communicate any future policy of how t deal with their mess ......!!
Governments too busy starting wars to care
You are sadly deluded if you think that the numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians coming next year will be only in the tens of thousands. It will be in the hundreds of thousands in the first few months, then unstoppably rise into the millions. In the meantime, the word has spread around the world about the asylum scam, and how one can live the life of Riley in England without ever having to work again. But the politicians will allow the complete disintegration of the UK, rather than take an axe to the benefits system, which would be the only remedy.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits .
These figures do not include all the immigrants receiving tax credits or child tax credits, which is another eye-watering figure. Nor do they include asylum seekers, who pay no rent, no council tax, no bills, no travel expenses, thanks to the generosity of the British taxpayer. Well I'm one tax payer who has had enough, and I will be voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system.
Is it not oblivious, one worker from a "family" gets a job and pays N.I> then that becomes the gateway for the entire extended family to come to the UK for free education, health care and benefits. Not quite what the welfare state was designed for - this is why it's failing. If I can see this happening why can those in power not cure the problem - Political Correctness?
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
Not all Parents are behind this Petition also as a Parent at the school My 2 Children are singing different songs and they are both really enjoying it me daughter sings it to us most nights. i think its a great idea its an International singing festival !!!! and no one is being forced to go !
Doug of London is quite unrealistic in his remarks about kids' picking up languages. They do learn more easily than adults, but they are NOT being taught Lithuanian or Polish at school, and being forced to learn a song parrot fashion in a language which is meaningless top them is a totally MINDLESS exercise which flies in the face of all modern thinking about teaching and learning. It is frankly appalling and the parents are right to object.
But I bet these people sing Frere Jacques to their children?
Next time you go to vote question the candidates as to whether they support schools being taught in all things 'English,' if the candidate/s tries to turn the question on its head by referring in some context to racism, tell him/her how 'you' feel the go tell your neighbours what the candidate stands for!
The English are funny like that. They move to Wales and moan that their kids are taught Welsh. Strange people.
When I was a small child in the 1950's we were taught a French song in school, Sur le Pont d'Avignon, and sixty years later I can still remember it. I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching children a song from Lithuania but I too would be an unhappy parent if this extended to teaching my child the language itself.
This is so ridiculous! Languages are everything these days and the more languages you know and might learn will actually benefit you in future life! I know myself I would love my children to be surrounded by different languages and picking up worlds when they are young, because that would help them in the future. The younger u are the quicker u learn things and singing a song in a different language when in fact they are made sure to understand the meaning of it - big deal! Get over yourselves! When foreign nationals come to UK they have to learn English because that was their choice to move to UK for better life not just for them, but their families and having your child remember some of your culture and where you came from by singing a song is supposed to bring joy and be proud of who you are and where you came from! I am sure that if these mothers moved to France, Germany or some other non English spoken language they would be more than happy if other kids sang a song in English
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it. - Tomskj40, London, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 7:45 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. So who needs to integrate with whom? Just wondering.
So what, I was taught frere jaques, frere jaques, dormez vous, dormez vous etc when I was at school. Get over it.
"They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else" If your kid is still having trouble speaking English at 8 then frankly you've failed as a parent. Why on earth would you want just the Lithuanian kids singing Lithuanian songs and the Polish kids singing Polish songs? Should you want them to sing all the songs, including the English ones? Kids pick up languages phenomenally quickly - why on earth would you want to isolate them from learning other languages? Sounds to me like just one grumpy woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame.
if we leave the EU then all the Europeans living here will have to leave or apply for a working permit and they will not be allowed to receive any of our abundant benefits, so reducing the population and benefit payments, so I have to try this, WE have to try and achieve this goal, and the only party that will do this is UKIP, so please try and help ourselves by trying something new & hopefully helping us get the GREAT back into Britain, Labour & Conservative won,t so VOTE UKIP.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate. - Francis McGonigal , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 08:01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. That was a remarkably different time and situation, with no hidden agenda or any ulterior motive wasn't it? There is no comparison.
I'll bet these are the kind of people who holiday in Spain, but go to the hotels that serve English beer and fish and chips, and speak loudly and s-l-o-w-l-y in English to the staff rather than speak the language of the host nation. There's nothing wrong with learning new languages, and maybe if we take the effort to understand other peoples' languages and customs, we'll be- you know- less likely to make idiotic knee-jerk reactions.
Thanks to the EU, we are inundated with Europeans from what, 27 different nations? Should kids be expected to learn all of their languages? As well as that we have people from other countries such as China, Japan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, NIgeria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc. Should English kids at school have to learn to speak ALL their languages too? Isn't that asking a bit much of them? Or rather should the immigrants learn English? At the moment we are told there are a l00 different languages being spoken in some areas. Everyone wants to come to the UK. Not everyone in the UK wants to lose their culture and identity catering from the whole world. Simples. In any case, most of these immigrants still have countries where there isn't any immigration, so the problem is ours, not theirs. Yes? No?
When I was at school we were taught to sing 'O Come all ye Faithfull' in latin. I do not remember any 'outraged' parental complaints.
I feel sort for the kids.this is just another sign that this country is OVER......
I don't see a problem for the children to learn a song in a new language. Surely it can only be of benefit in the long term especially seeing as the uk does has many different nationalities living here. I think the parents should chill out! Kids are fast learners and 8 is a teachable age.
Just wait until they until they cover Eid and Urdu yet abandon Christmas. The blood boils.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate.
Our school choir has just appeared in a musical called Zimbe. They had to learn songs in Zulu, Swahili, Xhosa and Akan. A fantastic experience and they all loved it! - - - - - - The kids in this article are learning their song for a music festival - goodness me, whats wrong with that!!
Goodness, there's more to the world than just the UK. And these kids may grow up and choose to travel to Europe, so what's wrong with learning a song in a different language? Far more interesting than my boring education where we sang the same old hymns every blessed week, year in, year out.
It's all very well singing foreign songs but nothing has been said about the foreign children learning an English song - integration has to be a two way street.
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it.
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope, London, 10/7/2013 17:23 I doubt that the Lithuanians would mind the British singing Chrismas Carols as they are Christian. Lithuania is a Catholic country.
Its OK to spend some time learning songs from another culture, what is not OK is when government refuses to fund the extra resource needed to make sure that native English students are not held back because the schools have to spend more of their limited resources on the additional needs of non-English speaking Children
- youdontknowme , belfast ''... if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country.''. You are a windup? Ever been abroad
What is the matter with these silly people? It is no problem at all for an eight-year old to sing in another language - indeed the best time to learn a language is up to the age of 11 after which it becomes more difficult.
I suspect the point is not about learning foreign languages, but the fact there are so many immigrants.
I learn other langaue at school,like Spanish ,French, etc so wots the problem britian is a rasict place
We have no say in what our children learn at school, we are being told that our children are leaving school not being able to read or write properly and not equipped to get a job, but don't worry they will need to be able to speak Latvian, Lithuania, and polish to be be able to work in this country anyway so stop moaning and leave them to it, English will soon not be taught or spoken in this country soon.
I'm fed up of people trying to use the racist card whenever someone makes a comment about the immigrants living in this country. Perhaps if we werent so afraid of being prosecuted for having a view, we might not be in the mess we are today with lack of jobs, housing and health service !.
If what is being reported here is accurate, these parents are being small minded and bigoted... British kids have sung foreign songs for donkey's years... Frère Jacques ring any bells? This is an inclusion event that will get the kids to mesh and understand the world better, as well as making the foreign students feel more welcomed and accepted... with a bit of luck, and more teaching like this, the kids won't grow up as bitter as their parents seem to be.
So long as the Lithuanian kids sing in English, no problem.
I guess that is what the left has been after all along, integration with the migrant community.
What ignorant parents. I remember singing Frere Jacques as a small child in school. Can I sue for damages? No, wait, I went on to study French, German, Spanish, Japanese and Italian, so maybe not. eh?
Nothing wrong with that but I do remember my own classmates irreverently modifying the words to the French song Frere Jacques so that 'Sonnez les matines' became 'Semolina Tina.'
OMG you people are so ignorant! You complain about the Yanks but you are worst. They are teaching a child to sing in another language not requiring them to speak it all day long. Your 8 year old 'is struggling to learn to speak English? Any child born of English speaking parents should be speaking English at that age and if he isn't he is one dumb kid. I totally agree that if you immigrate to an English speaking country you should learn to speak English however, what is wrong with you people learning some other language, culture, traditions. I have always said when you come to Canada (or the UK or the USA) bring with you all that is best of your culture, traditions, arts, food but leave behind your quarrels, prejudices, vendettas and assimilate into OUR country. We want to learn about you but you have to be one of us.
pity kedge cant even type in english!
I learnt frere Jacques nd other French songs at school................I loved learning about another culture/coumtry, dont have such a closed mind...........help your children to expand their minds. Remember ..knowledge is power
They go to far some of these comments saying that the parents shouldn't be complaining my god they are only 8 yrs old pet them learn English first then when they are big school they can take on language skills England and Europe is going to be all speaking Balkan languages in the schools and Albania and Bulgaria must be empty as they are all here
As a child I was taught a French song; Frere Jaque and it didn't do me any harm. On a more important note though, there are some communities throughout Britain that are swamped by immigrants, doubling the population of some of them. This is immigration out of control.
That's great, children learn so easily when they are young. How can it harm them?
I would hope they translate those lyrics so the kids know what they're actually singing - otherwise it will just seem so much gibberish. It's probably enough of a challenge for them just to have to keep a straight face when asked to name their school - especially when they get a bit older.
What crybabies some parents are. Mandarin Chinese and French were compulsory when I was in primary school... And we learned basic French and Chinese phrases and we had this day called Cultural Day where we would celebrate French and Chinese culture. There is nothing wrong with learning other languages at all, and to the woman who says her kids are struggling in English - I suggest her kids get off the computer and read a book. What crybabies some parents are, ready to blame multiculturalism for everything.
I can however see why people find it a bad idea as, of course... This is England and if they want to be here they should learn our language... I just try to keep an open mind because I'm not able to change or control anything.
When I was in primary school which was many, many years ago, all the pupils were taught a polish Christmas carol. My teacher- probably the best in the school and definitely one of the best teachers I've ever had was Polish. She had lived in England most of her life and spoke full English with an English accent taught us about the polish ways of how they celebrated Christmas etc and it was in fact, very interesting... There was no 'foreign' people in the school and at the time that was the norm, so to speak, so to learn something about a different culture, was actually really good. Times now however have changed and these are what we are all going to have to get used to now that there are a lot of people moving to England for a better life. I think teaching children other songs in different languages is a good idea, but maybe teach an English version or even just translate it so that they are learning other languages as well?
You never know what the future holds so it doesn't hurt for someone to learn few foreign words n different culture..... You don't have to adopt it!!
I was taught Frere Jaques in nursery and Sur Le Pont D'avingnon at school, there weren't any French people there at the time. ( The meanings were explained) Seriously I hate the English speaking countries attitude to other Languages. I would LOVE to be able to speak another language, but leaving it till secondary school is too late. The parents should be happy they are doing something a bit different. Everyone else HAS to learn English though, and lucky them I say they can then speak at least 2 languages,would have loved the chance. Songs are a great way to introduce another language.
When my daughter was at school some years ago,there were plans to introduce Urdo to the curriculum.As soon as some parents started complaining it was dropped.It's not up to us to learn immigrants languages,but,for them to learn English and our customs.
A lot of the local Landlords in that town have no problem with taking rent money off migrant workers, and the local shops have no problem selling stuff to them either, but ask the locals to show a little polite behavior towards the chilldren of these workers and its suddenly grounds for a petition. As for migrants taking jobs, they didn't take them, they were given them, by local employers who clearly did not want locals working for them, so think on wisbech.
We had NO immigrant families at our school some 35 years ago, but we learnt folk songs in French, Russian, German and African and sung several Latin hymns. If children really are getting upset over singing in a language they don't understand, perhaps the parents should be educated on how to bring up well rounded, confident children who are not bigots!
oh lighten up people!!! Its a song.
Virtually every child in the uk lives Dora the explorer who also teaches kids Spanish you don't here them complaining about that! How ignorant is this nation to think that learning 1sing in another language is wrong! I was forced to do French in school for 5 years solid as many children are today what's the difference aside from the fact that many britains are resentful against Eastern European so have chosen to take issue with a song how ridiculous!
What's wrong with learning songs in a different language? When I was in school we learned songs in Spanish French Irish and German? We all loved it! If the children really were upset its probably because their narrow minded parents have rubbed off on them!
Diversity - yes. Tolerance - yes. But we want immigrants to respect they've immigrated to another country and to respect OUR culture, language and values. Not to ignore them and build separate communities. Never labour again.
I have been a minority for the past 36 years (Japan 10 years, Bali 2 years and now Thailand 24 years) and I would never dream of trying to impose my views on the local populations, they probably wouldn't stand for it either. I thank my lucky stars at having left England all those years ago and have fitted in with the locals in whichever country I have lived in at the time. Minorities have to understand that having once made the decision to live in a country, other than their own, that they must adapt and confirm. It's not so difficult if you love your adopted country!
Nobody has said that these immigrant children or their families have refused to learn English, so all those saying 'learn English or go', that's all very well but this isn't the case on this story, this is about narrow minded parents not wanting their children to learn foriegn songs at an INTERNATIONAL MUSIC FESTIVAL! How idiotic is it to allow your child to attend such an event and expect them to only sing in English? How exactly are a couple of children's songs in another language 'taking over the school'? Pathetic and immature behaviour by two attention seekers who are delighted enough to be pictured!
The kids should have had the right to choose. Anyone coming to this country should have to learn the language same if we go to another country.
Is this any different from the song "Frère Jacques" that we sang in my primary school? No and I bet the kids will enjoy singing it?
British expats who move to places like Spain tend to stick together in communities, eat at English pubs that are specifically opened for them and often make no effort to learn the language or adapt to Spanish etc culture. Not everybody is like this but we all know it's true. Yet when some migrants come here, who I might add are often just the same, we go into an uproar. Pretty ridiculous that people are angry that their kids are being taught a song in another language. It's hardly going to harm them, since hardly any kids in this country even attempt to learn another language. We are no better than the immigrants and we are no better at adapting to different cultures than immigrants. This article proves it.
disgrace
Ah, Wisbech that bastion of sanity. Lithuanian is a wonderful language to learn, they should think themselves lucky!
The the comments on this article make depressing reading. The kids learnt a song in another language to sing at a music festival. Why is this an issue? Are the parents so insecure that they deny their children exposure to other cultures? Or is this just made up nonsense intended to provoke the Ukip voting, fascist light, lowest common denominators?
When you move to a new country you do as that country does. You live in that society, follow its rules and speak the language. If you can't do that you may as well stay in your home country. That also means that Brits moving to France, Spain or Greece should do the same. My family left the UK in 2004 and we have totally embraced our adopted country and way of life. So yes I do practice what I preach!
OK I can grasp the international singing festival but why didn't the school choose to sing the songs in the least spoken languages in the school and have all the children learn something different? what did the Polish & Lithuanian children gain from this? Easy teaching maybe?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up. - MrGymJunky, York England, 10/07/2013 16:03 Half your class weren't French though were they? Completely different. Learning about other cultures is educational, being swamped by them is terrifying.
What .... Disgrace !
So why didn't the school bother to provide a translation of the songs into English for the pupils and parents? Seems at best very lax that they did not.
'Children were in tears as they didn't understand the song ', because some one tells them there is one language English !! Will they also cry in their German and French classes I wonder!
No doubt this head teacher loves the EU, votes Lib Dem and supports wind farms.
Ignorant parents! So the children did not understand the lyrics - neither did we when we first heard Frere Jaques. (another foreign song).........until someone taught us the meaning. No one is suggesting that they be taught other lessons in Lithuanian. Learning songs in different languages is interesting and expands the children's knowledge painlessly and enjoyably.
Just tell your kids to ignore it and tell the teachers. If it was my child i would be annoyed as well. They are british and want to remain British and they wont be made to learn some thing that they dont agree with.The quicker we are out of this European union the better for our kids.
Oh, good grief. Back in 1970 we were taught to sing 'Frere Jacques' without anyone going home in "floods of tears" and there wasn't a solitary French kid in the school nor were we actually being taught French at age six.
I wonder of the Polish and Lithuanian parents have been asked their opinion by the school. Because having several Polish friends I know that they are keen for heir children to learn to speak English and to become part of our culture. This is a very patronising attitude by a silly PC Head who feels she knows=best.
We should been teaching the migrants more about English culture as it is the country they want to live in !!!
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them - Kaygrogan1, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:22 So do we then force Maths and English on them? You go to school to LEARN! The world is a lot smaller these days and I would hazard a guess the being multi-lingual will put you top of the pile if you want to work for any international corporation. We moan that young people cannot find work. We moan when teachers try to teach something diverse to help them in the future. Outrage at children being taught at school - you really couldn't make this up! One world - Multiculturalism!
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10____________Oh, it's terrible, immigrants swanning into other countries and just expecting acceptance. By the way, how's life in Spain?
I've heard it all now!!!
I think in this case it's ok to sing a song from another culture...it's not like it's every day assembly. if kids were giving up 'morning has broken' and 'all things bright & beautiful' for foreign songs that'd be very different. anyway, pic 1 tells you all you need to know.
I don't see the problem when I was younger I had to learn a song in Spanish just because!! People are talking about pc when this has nothing to do with that it's a SONG IN POLISH not lessons being taught in polish get over it
Britain is very nearly dead.
Good grief what is the problem? I was taught "Frère Jacques" in junior school and sang Silent Night in German, we loved leaning these songs! What is wrong with these parents??????
If they were taught the song in normal circumstances it would lead us to question whether our culture in a way is being taken over and disregarded in our own land. But it's an international music theme?! If it was all british that's not very international is it
There is nothing wrong with learning the beauty of other languages and about other cultures. The problem is when knee-jerk multi-culturalism has the effect of messing up a child's appreciation of their own culture, simply by taking up so much time and because the children's opportunity to express themselves with their own and their parents and ancesters' culture is taken away. The festival is a cultural expression after all and mixing all the cultures up this way so they just become so much flim-flam and white noise just produces the kind of ignorance about other countries we see in the American system. I wouldn't get too hot under the collar about it except to say that schools should listen to the parents more before they engage in these experiments.
What's the prime ministers view on this? I find it disgraceful !! This country is ruined......
when I was in primary school in the early 90s, we learnt a song in French. No-one battered an eyelid. I don't get the issue at all.
i don't see what the problem is here. it's an INTERNATIONAL singing festival so what the hell were they expecting?!!!
How many English people learn another language when visiting other countries I wonder?
I had to learn a song in Welsh at primary school (in Devon, nowhere near Wales!) and I'm still proud to remember most of it now, as these kids should too at 30.
Learning foreign languages is culture...
The point is being missed somewhat here. When all these people learnt frere Jaques, as I did years ago, the school would not have consisted of one third French children who needed extra support and help, and were using manpower and financial resources put in place and paid for by the parents of the local English children. I would guess the issue has little to do with the song, which has become a symbol of the parent's disquiet at the unfairness of having to accommodate I adequately funded foreign nationals in the school and in the wider environment. These parents are afraid, and their concerns should be acknowledged and dealt within the same vein as the requirements of the Latvians, or whoever it happens to be at the time.
When I was a child we were taught that song in french about pulling a bird apart or something and none of us had any clue what it mean yet that was fine?! Desperate housewives with nothing better to do than complain!!
Oh no... Not kids being taught something cultural and exciting then?! In a world like the one we live in today it is perfectly normal for children to learn songs in other languages, especially if a lot of the children at the school are in fact lithuanian?! They wouldn't complain at their child being taught french I bet... Sounds a little controversial to me!!
Oh for God's sake, I'm glad the school isn't bowing to this kind of bullying. What kind of homes are they providing for their children? They are hardly bringing them up to be broad-minded are they? When I was at school we sang songs like Frere Jacques and nothing sinister happens to us at all. I had and have no idea what the words mean, it was just fun to sing them. Integration doesn't mean that another culture has to take the place of another. Why shouldn't children learn about other people - maybe these children would have a better chance of actually achieving something with their lives - something their parents obviously haven't.
This is the sort of thing that upsets people, if you immigrate to another country it is up to you adapt to they ways and their language, you can't expect the whole country to change its ways to suit you. Yes let them learn the words to this song but in English.
Claire, a woman of your age with a child in primary school, you would think that you would have an open mind and be welcoming of your child learning another language as you know it opens up more oppportunities for them.
Why complain ? we have gave our country away
What is wrong with our children learning a foreign language? It is an international music festival after all. Wasn't Silent Night originally a German hymn?
We were taught a Maury songs at school that was 1976 we loved it and didnt have a clue what it meant still know it now!! Get a grip.
I'm 38. When I was 10, we learnt Silent Night in German and French for the nativity play. I remember thinking it was cool, and I still remember the German lyrics. It's nothing new.
I was taught 'Sur le Pont d'Avignon' and 'Frere Jacques' in primary school many years ago.
Like so many on here I was taught frere Jacques, and songs in welsh though I dont know what language ging gang gooley is from.
It is very much part of the EU agenda to undermine the cultural identities of nation states to make them more easy to control from Brussels. Removal of the borders and free for all immigration within the EU is the result with increasingly dire consequences for communities facing a loss of their traditional identity. We should reject the authority of the EU before it is too late.
I'm sorry, what? These parents are nuts. We sang songs in Maori, Japanese, French and German, and probably more when I was in primary school; and it was fun. I very much doubt kids would be crying over it unless they were crying at their parents reaction to it.
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10------------------------ Oh for God's sake, we learned 'Frere Jacques' (or freh- ra-jah-ka as we though it was) at my Cumbrian primary school thirty years ago -it didn't mean we were being ruled by the French! Stop making everything into such a drama.
This is England, they should be singing songs in English.
I just don't understand what the problem is - I wish my school was more open about learning other languages when I was growing up. Glad only a small number of families are whining though.
Oh what rubbish. It's an International singing festival.. they are not being forced to speak or sing in Lithuanian every day.
What is wrong with that?! When I was in school I was part of the choir and we learnt lots of songs in different languages including putting on a concert singing African songs. Perhaps it should be with our children we teach them about different cultures so we don't have another generation of horrible nasty people who think its cool to be a racist?
Strange that frere jacques has never caused a problem
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
These parents need to calm down and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. This story has blown the situation out of proportion. It is just a music festival they are not making the children learn other languages to speak in permanently. We had to sign a sing in French at school but our parents didn't protest or make a scene. The parents are obviously uneducated and see this is an excuse to have a moan as they have not better to do with their time.
I'm assuming none of these patents were taught 'frere jacque' when they were at school?! My 8 year old son was taught an African song at school & his whole class performed it. He thought it was awesome & was that proud of himself for learning it he sang it to everyone he met for weeks!! Why would these kids be upset over learning different languages?? They're talking nonsense, it's just an excuse for small minded people to kick up a fuss over nothing! Get a life!
Total waste of everyone's time. Teach all the kids a language that will be useful.
I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.- kaz, Bristol, - -think you are already too late. - -this country is finished - deliberately by a certain tiny the traytor bliar
I remember as a very young child at school singing "Sur le Pont d'Avignon" No fuss then !
Are the teachers at this school barking mad? Surely the boot should be on the other foot!
Parents have too much power! That's what narrows education!
What's wrong with an English song festival. Oh yes I just realised, it's got English in it.
I think that's cool! Learning different languages is never a bad thing
This wouldnt happen here in wales, they would all have to learn welsh end of....
I doubt the children were "in tears" that they didn't know the words to a song. Even if the teachers overlooked giving them a sheet with the translation in English so they knew what they were singing you would think if they cared that much at least one would raise their hand to say. International festival, clues in the name folks! Mountain out of blatant molehill.
Since leaving skool with no foreign languages, I've made myself useful in French, German and pidgin-Russian. Several times, these skills have given me the edge over my workmates.
What ever happened to the songs like "I do like to be beside the seasisde" or "hot cross buns" our culture is dying out. I remember doing a nativity play in infant school it was so magical, got to juinior school we had to do Snow white and the seventh dwarfs not to offend other ethnic minorities. But then the name snow white was changed to the princess, the dwarfs were changed to the tiny men, and the names of the dwarfs were changed not to offend anyone. It's all pathetic these days.
Simple take child out of school.
"I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad." - lyn edmunds, ingleside. Couldn't have said it better myself.
England doesn't exist anymore - I'm not sure any political party will help to get our country back - we need to speak up like the French do!
The number of complaints about children singing in foreign languages is sad. The songs the children were taught had been translated in English, so the children would understand what they are singing. The event is an international signing festival hosted by the school. Learning a foreign language is a good thing. The children won't be expected to speak fluently from the songs they have learned. #culturalawareness
People who say we are in England and only our native tongue should be taught need to get a life! Have you no culture!! Don't you want our children to be brought up understanding the world around us!! Oh and as said before you also have short memories. We were all taught frere jacques as school and no one was up in arms about that!!!?
We were taught frere jaques at school and there wasn't any uproar. How about the parents help the kids instead of petitioning against an international music festival?!?
Learning a new language - what's wrong with that we don't have very good language skills as it is so this is a step in the right direction for the next generation
"i'm not being racist, but......" usually means yes, you ARE being racist. would these parents be kicking up such a fuss if the songs were in French I wonder?
If that was my daughter's school, i wouldn't take her!!
all these folks whining about "well we learned frere Jaques it never done us no harm" The scenario today is totally different, & if you had half a brain you would see it. Frere Jacque is a silly French song designed to get kids singing in a round. When you was at school, you werent forced against your parents better judgement to share a class room with 1/3 of the kids being French, & the whole school ethos increasingly turned over to French concerns because those 1/3 of French kids were unwilling or unable to speak English. There wasnt a sudden & massive unregulated influx of French people demanding jobs, housing & health/education services. All this excercise is trying to acheive is the social normalisation of an internationalist agenda, you need look no further than ("We"?) are all very excited to hold this event, which has been made possible by a grant from the Cambridge Culture Project Funding, for which we had managed to secure the funds" I'd bet it is eu funded.....
I think the teachers should stick with "cauliflowers fluffy and cabbages green" type songs
I agree - its OUR country!!!! Learn our language and stop trying to inflict yours on us.
Get over it you narrow minded people. When I was at school 40 + years ago we read a book called Tintin - a French book and we learned a song called "Frère Jacques" - also French. Our parents never complained. The problem nowadays is people will complain just to get themselves into the limelight - it's pathetic !
If it's an international singing festival, surely Lithuania and Poland will be represented by - LITHUANIA and POLAND.
I learned 'Frere Jacques' at play school. Didn't understand it then. Was that 'wrong' too? No. We live in a multicultural society. Learning other cultures doesn't diminish our own, it respects others.
"Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years - boycott channel 4, anyone but andy, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:30"- You must have been asleep in English class. Perhaps you should learn the language before complaining about the issues of English verses international languages.
If we allow this subtle erosion of English and culture we are opening the door even wider...
That woman is 48?! No way!
In England we live the English way of life, we do not introduce another countries way of life into our culture and especially our schools. It is time we got our identity back once and for all. This is England and not anything else.
These parents need to broaden their horizons.
Oh forgot, we are British. We are so superior, that we will refuse any opportunity to learn another language, in case we are contaminated by foreigners and their languages, and God forbid their thought! Are we weak or scared?
'It's happening all the time - at Christmas a nearby infants' school had their nativity play in a foreign language' Unless the nativity was done in Hebrew I think you'll find most nativities are being done in a "foreign" language.
'''They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language....'' - says it all about the quality of parenting...
It was ONE song for heavens sake. They would probably get upset if the kids sang "Frere Jacques". That's a French song by the way for the benefit of the simple minded here today. It has been sung in British schools for almost a century.
In European countries, they learn their own language and english by eight, won't do them any harm will it
- Pandora , Shrewsbury, United Kingdom. No, because by the time something is taught completely in a different language it's too late to do anything about it. If they fight against it now, there's a chance to have it stopped. Yet again, we can thank Tony B
All that's wrong with this country. If the teachers had been any good they would have, with the help of the polish children, translated the songs and done a bit of research first. Nothing annoys me more than parents today. If it were me I'd carefully explain that people are different and different people have different languages, or i'd go on the Internet myself to translate, people have no brains.
This country is ENGLAND. The language spoken here is ENGLISH and the religion is CHRISTIAN. .......... Immigrants to OUR country should be fitting-in with OUR culture - it should NOT be the other way around!! ........
And yet, there are right now thousands of schools around the world in non-english speaking country where children are singing in english and they do not understand the words. I kind of understand the horrified parents, but maybe someone should explain to them and de-dramatize that lithuania (and its language) are part of the European Union and we are all a big family , in a way.
Im not English or British but I do strongly agree with those who wrote that children should first learn English and then if they like to learn other language they choose,they can! But first English and doesn't matter if the majority of the kids are from Lithuania or born to Lithuania 's parents!!!!
I take it the parents would also have a problem with 'frere jacques' too ? You know , being forrin and all ? It's a song . Just a song . So what ? When I was a kid I learnt songs in French , Russian and Hindi . It's not like all the lessons are being taught in Polish is it ?
It's an international music festival - the clue's in the title!!
I learnt French songs at school, & presumably the overseas kids sing the English sings so where's the problem?
That's wisbech primary school for you!
I no the type... Go Spain and complain coz everyone speaks Spanish and everything's in Spanish!!
If the child wants to do it, great. If not, tell the school they will not be taking part.
Remember it's England, or was until Labour ruined it.
Let's get some perspective. The kids are learning a song in another language for an international film festival. It's probably a one off event, or at most a once a year event. Get a grip guys. I even had to learn a French song back in New Zealand - oh dear, how terrible. I wonder, if there wasn't a migrant problem, and the school had a music fair, would this be an issue? Probably not. Nice one parents, great way to teach your kids about how to treat those from different backgrounds. Now, if they were changing the curriculum, and lessons had to be taught in other languages, that would be crazy.
big deal. I remember being taught 'jingle bells' in German.
I know one song in french since my gcse times,- and i have no idea what it means.... why kids today are so lazy??
With 11 official languages in South Africa, we were singing songs in all kinds of languages. I wish I was exposed to more foreign languages when I was at school. It is so interesting. Especially some European languages. Being exposed to languages other than your native tongue, broadens your mind. It is a good learning experience and they should see it as that.
my sister moved to Russia and her daughter is learning songs in russian, spanish, english and next year will study japanese.... whats wrong with that???
You know what you have to do at the next election, people. - Headofthehousehold, Does that mean UKIP will prohibit the teaching of ANY foreign language in schools? What about foreign words -- isn't that going to be a bit difficult? For a start they wont be able to learn many colour names -- mauve, blue, orange, violet etc !!!!
What has show Racism the Red Card got to do with this,if my kids came home trying to sing a lithuanian song they didn't now i would be right up to the school. I recon its part of this european union c**p GOD HELP US ALL
Oh dry ur eyes its good for kids to learn new languages!!
What's wrong with learning a little of another language, its not like they're going to converse in fluent Lithuanian for the rest of their lives.
I think people are missing the point here.Our children should be taught other languages in order for them to be understood when they travel the globe,not in order to converse in their own bloody country.
If they were singing in Lithuanian at the school assembly or in the choir I would completely understand their grievance.. But at an INTERNATIONAL music festival surely singing only English songs would defeat the point...?
I think it's great that the children are being exposed to other languages at this age. The more language sounds a child hears at an early age, the easier it is for that child to learn ANY foreign language later in life. The school is doing these children a favor, and the parents need to understand that. In addition, as someone else stated, it's an international music festival. Lastly, many children learn songs in other languages and have done so for many years. I remember Freres Jacques, when I was four. And, of course, at my school we learned Latin starting from the first grade. That's been helpful through the years (not crucial, but helpful). And yes, I now speak five languages well, and a couple of others ok, but not great. Give your child a boost in this highly competitive world, and encourage him/her to learn another language. It can't hurt!
Sad and narrow minded parents with so little vision. I feel sorry for their kids that instead of embracing new cultures and even new languages, are held back by those that suppose to give a good example!
surely the lithuanians should be learning our songs and mingling with us they want to be part of our society i would not my children learning this when they should be learning how to read and write as this seems what employers are saying they do not have the ability to do properly
Since when was learning one song "taking over the school"? Get a grip. You can't escape multiculturalism and multinationalism in the 21st century.
I can only imagine My 7 year old son would be very proud of himself if he could sing a song in Lithuanian.
I hate this country now, close the border !!
What kind of lesson are these parents teaching their children about accepting others?
Get used to it, soon you'll be in the minority and have to learn other languages just to get by
So Ms (Mrs) Eve isn't heavily into multicultural activities or expanding her childrens knowledge then DM?
These parents do realise that once their kids are in secondary school they will have to learn a second language since it's compulsory. What will they do then
This may not be a popular opinion but wouldn't it actually benefit our children to be bilingual? I know three languages but I'm British. It doesn't change who and what we are.
Im all for giving people a new life but LEARN THE LANGUAGE
I don't remember coming home from school in floods of tears because we were taught to sing Frère Jacques. What a load of tripe.
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........ - James Surrey, Surrey, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 18:07 ---------------------- When in Rome ...... learn how to spell 'these'.
Oh for pity sake these parents need to get over themselves. Try joining in , you may even enjoy it .
When I was in the choir at primary school I had to learn songs in German, not because there were Germans in my school but to learn a new language. I imagine the kids were taught how to pronounce all words so all the had to do was copy the words not 'learn' them (as in the translations). Red arrow as much as you like :)
The top green arrowed comments are so heartening to read for once. Well done everyone.
" This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil."- sas604, jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10----- So I gather that you are one of these ex-pats who is quite happy to live in Spain, but not to learn anything about the Spanish language or culture. Talk about pots and kettles!!!
Clare eve stand your ground and continue fighting this, there is nothing to be ashamed about been British and defending your culture
Oh for heaven's sake! We learned a French carol at junior school way before we did French classes. I loved singing it and can still remember all the words too. There is nothing wrong with learning bits of foreign languages at this age, the brain of an eight year old is like a sponge and they can take far more than modern educational methods can throw at them. Upset my eye! The kids are only reacting to their parents. Show some class and let your kids experience something beyond your narrow horizons.
A slight overreaction by these silly parents. I find it hard to believe that children were in tears over this matter. Learning a bit about other languages and cultures is a good thing, as long as it is in proportion to retaining their English culture and identity.
We did 'africa' as a theme one term, in the 90's, to greet the african head of our 'twinned' school, learnt an african song, didnt have a clue what we were saying, learnt it off by heart, sang it, we didn't cry, it didn't affect out mother tongues, we all had a laugh. Jeeez!!
Maybe people don't want to learn Polish or Lithuainian but would like to learn French and German maybe even Italian or not but instead it should be their choice..They don't need arrogant I'm all right Jacks telling them what they should or shouldn't like or put up with. I am now a minority in my city, I don't really have a problem with individuals, but when certain groups are more vocal and take over local services I do have a complaint then. What seems to have been forgotten is that in the past decade the sheer influx of immigrants from the EU and elsewhere were neither planned nor catered for by our politicians and the local communities were not consulted as to where they would go. Wisbech is a small market town with a large immigrant population foisted on them very recently. To the point it has changed the atmosphere of the community.
How can the people on here compare a French song with a Polish one. The French language is quite useful and the country a nice place to visit. No one talks Polish apart from Poland and next to no one want's to live or visit the place so learning the language is utterly pointless. And if you insist on living in other people's country have the decency and respect to integrate.
when i was at school we were taught frere Jacques. what's the difference?
but it's okay to learn Frere Jacques? For instance. I don't seem the problem to be honest. Learning different languages is fantastic for future opportunities. As long as they don't crush the current language and culture in Britain.
It's an international music festival. it wouldn't be a very good one one if they didn't sing any international songs...
would they have complained if the songs were in french, german or spanish? Me thinks not. By the way, it's not like the school is forcing the kids to learn Polish or Lithuanian all academic year, it's for one event. Get over yourselves.
I support the parents..This is Great Britain, not the United Nations.
At the last count there where 100,000 immigrants in this country who can't speak a word of English, many who have lived here for many years, get them to learn English and leave the kids alone.
What is wrong with learning a little bit of other people's culture? I went to school in the 50's and 60's and we learned songs and poetry in other languages on occasion, it is not like they are being forced to be schooled in a foreign language...it is one song.
If I had children I would be pleased they learn other cultures and languages. Learning about other countries and the world in general broadens their horizons. They will grow up with the Lithuanian children and more and likely become long term friends into the teenage years and they can speak both languages. This mother is silly and very narrow minded and she is influencing her children to be the same.
Would they object it their children were taught a song is french, german or old english? No. I do however agree by the way that they speak I think that they should concentrate first on learning how to speak english correctly before they even attempt another language.
We learned Silent Night in German and no children cried or pretended not to know why we were doing it. I suspect a single tantrumming child is to blame for all this.
Hmmm signed by a grand total of 23 other rather uneducated parents. She looks (And sounds) like a wonderful role model to me.......NOT!
Just withdraw your child from the concert, non-christians have been withdrawing there children from christian services for years.
If it's just a once a year thing, what is the big deal? I think it's a good thing to learn other languages, but I think it should be a language that would be more useful like German, Mandarin, Spanish, etc. Personally, I think children should be taught to speak/read a foreign language early, because being bilingual will be very useful in their future careers--as long as immigrant children are taught to speak and read English. There is a difference between catering to immigrants and benefitting yourself. Catering to immigrants would replace English with a foreign language. Self-edification would be learning another language alongside English.
I think it sounds like a nice idea, will probably help the foreign children settle and mingle with their new English class mates and it's a bit of culture. Which the kids have probably never had.
Could read fluently at 8. If your kids cant its obvious you dont buy books. Ho pe have mastered writin their name. Need that to sign on
the parents have nothing better to do? When i was a child in the 80's my school always did this, we drew lots and that decided what country you were so at the event you dresses in that nations costumes. We learned songs in many different languages we also learned the translation. Doing this in school was some of the best times, help to open my eyes to the wide world around me. To learn about England, China, Africa, India, Mexico, Russia and many many more was just wonderful. its not about immigrants taking over, its about leaning you are not the only culture in the world
Get a grip.The only problem here is that the children didn't receive a translation.Did you never sing Frere Jaques?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation. - Susan, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/07/2013 16:34 Okkkkkay...so it's alright to sing foreign language songs, as long as there are no foreigners present? Yes that makes sense, doesn't it?
Why are you running this story? It just encourages these silly people to complain about things which are in their own head. I learnt French, German and other songs when I was at school what is the problem here? Still they've had their five minutes of fame I suppose and can keep the paper as a souvenir.
The mom's aren't upset because of the songs, they are upset because of the number of immigrants in their community. I sit on the fence with this one.
As well as Frere Jacques, we sang Aluoette and Sur La ponte, D'Avignon. We loved it. Back in the sixties.
I think it's a great idea to have a festival singing songs in different languages. I'm sure they won't have to be word perfect. We once did an around the world theme with my nursery class and we taught the preschoolers some nursery songs from around the world and they loved it! As did the parents.
My child had a disability, was awarded the extra tuition, but didn't actually get it, apart from 1hr a week reading, as children in his class were given the resource as 'they need it more, and James has such support at home'. When he went to high school hisenglish teacher was appalled that the only dyslexic programmes he had done, were ones I had paid privately for, consequently he wasn't behind. Immigrant children should be given the help on the same basis my son was, and get the specialist language tuition in the evenings and weekend, and not free from the state. After all we've hadchinese and greek children doing weekend school for years and some are our highest acheivers. Their parents chose to come here, we didn't force them
What a ridiculous thing to get upset about! Kids need to learn other languages than English!!
Maybe they should concentrate on maths and english which are standards are sadly lacking.....
We used to sing Frere Jacques. No one complained then. Can't see the problem.
The children are being taught tolerance and having eyes opened to other cultures. Maybe the parents should be given lessons as well
Every school teaches about other countries and cultures including songs, art and history, children love learning about the world, that way they won't grow up to be intolerant, hate filled UKIP voters.
23 parents? my word, its hardly a landslide is it.
They are making themselves look really silly, as if the children come home in tears!!
what a nice lady
For god's sake, it's only a song, so what! What a bunch of ignorant, narrow minded people!
Surely the migrant children should be taught english first - what is going to happen next year will be frightening with no border controls. Well if people want change they will have to vote for it. Forget Tory, Labour or limps they are all for more multiculturalism whether the majority of all cultures who are already here want it.
What i wrong with the children learning a new language? I remember learning a French song at school and coming home singing it to my family. My children come home talking in a new language every term, You should be happy that your children get to learn these languages. It gives them a head start in life.
What a disgrace....different cultures and languages is what we need for now and the future! i'm British with Italian parents and when i read these kind of articles i feel ashamed that i am living in such a RACIST country i know many Brits aren't however there are far too many that are....see past the 'Foreign' we're all people!!!!
I remember being taught a beautiful French Christmas carol at around that age, it was an opportunity to learn about other cultures and a different language. I can still remember most of it nearly 30 years later. Total non issue and I never believe anyone who protests so much about not being a racist...
Strange reaction . As kids in the 70's we learnt Frere Jacques and Au Claire de La Lune and Stille Nacht at Christmas. I am the most Eurosceptic person going but learning a song in another language was fun.
Surely the simple answer is just to provide the children with a translation. But why not understanding the words would make the children cry is beyond me - couldn't they just ask their Lithuanian classmates what it meant?
This will be good for the kids. Regardless of the views on the immigrants, the kids will benefit from learning about other languages and will benefit them in the long run, The mothers complaining are probably just bitter.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope , London, 10/7/2013 17:23 Hope, Lithuanians are a Catholic nation. They would sing carols as well. They have a beautiful celebration called Velines on All Souls Day.
in other countries they learn songs in English. in fact they learn English from a young age so why is learning songs from other languages a problem to parents in the UK? personally I loved learning foreign songs in junior school, made me feel very clever!
Would you complain if they taught the children another language? It's called learning about another culture. If you disagree then you should also complain about the watered down version of British History they teach. Can't have people knowing the truth about the evil empire.
Sometimes people are so ignorant.. It´s not about losing your own culture is about learning something about other cultures. And is proven that your children get smarter if they learn foreign languages, brain stimulation is never too much..
UK citizens are becoming second class citizens, this is appalling, the council should need their heads examining, ukip at the next election to stop the rot.
Erm - & this is in England we're talking about?
Try living in Wales. We have two languages here as a given
The sooner we are out of the bl**dy EU the better. Perhaps an overload of emails to the school will get the message across
All so wrong!!!
When I was 6 years old my class learned Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in Japanese from a teacher's assistant from Tokyo. As I got older I learned other songs in choir in German and Spanish. I LOVED knowing that I was singing in a different language and my parents thought it was fantastic, not to mention I STILL know the words at 27! It's never a bad thing to expose children to culture in this way.
English people need to expand their knowledge of other languages, most kids abroad learn multiple languages in their school years (mainly English) yet us Brits become lazy & expect the rest of the world to learn our language so we don't have to bother... I don't see why parents are protesting against their children learning something new & in a fun way!
No no no. We need to stand up to these things now!
we learnt frere jaques and head, shoulders knees and toes in french and I remember performing silent night in german for a carol concert, children are not distraught because they are learning a foreign language - someone has multicultural issues and an overactive imagination me thinks!
My grandson has been taught songs in Chinese no worries it's all useful
Oh grow up - children are much better at learning languages when they're young, and as one reader commented Frere Jacques and Sur Le Pont were commonly sung when we were little, and we loved it. Teaching your child to be insular and shallow isn't going to help them one little bit.
And this is different to teaching millions of English children "Frere Jacques" with no discernible ill effects for at least the last 100 years how, exactly?
Learn something new for once!
These parents are quite dim but take a step back and look at the wider issue. There are no doubts lots of migrants in their area and they probably don't mix with each other and they are fearful - I would have thought learning about others would be a good way to get to know them. People are all much the same world over.
Come and live here and then you can comment
Why not
Children in tears? Bit over dramatic.
This is so ridiculous. When I was in primary school and Desmond Tutu came to visit they taught us the South African anthem to sing for him and also taught us another South African song, no parents complained then.
What rubbish! We did a project when I was in school 20 years ago on amazon tribes and learnt an Amazonian song for the end of year show.
Few things...if your 8 year old is 'struggling to learn their own language', you're doing something wrong. If your 8 year old genuinely cried because they didn't understand words to a song, you're doing something wrong.
If your 8 year old cant speak their own language by now theres something seriously wrong. So long as there are parents like this perpetuating the cycle of hatred and intolerance our people will be racist and bigoted for generations to come. Its an INTERNATIONAL singing festival. The clue is in the name. wise up people
These parents need to take a long look at themselves! Surely they want their children to be diverse thinkers and not judge other people according to their cultural background?!
I dont see what is wrong with this. Its good to know about other cultures and languages. They should be more concerned about the lack of Christian teachings- as after all England is a christian country and there seems to be little of that nowadays.
I think the fact that it is an inclusion festival shows that it's about including all the children! no harm done learning about other cultures an I'm sure the polish kids will feel proud to sing something they know as they have to sing English Hymns everyday. I agree with keeping our schools speaking mostly English and keep out heritage alive but this seems alot of fuss over nothing
I find it odd that "children were in tears" because they did not understand the song. I am sure the teacher explained it. I have never seen a child in tears over Frere Jacques"!! Of course they would learn some foreign songs for an international festival! Some ignorant parents there, just looking for an excuse to complain.
I think those parents ought to be more aware of what exactly they are teaching their children with this! It was for an international singing festival!! And even if not, so what! Hardly like they are having all lessons taught in a different language is it! These are the type of ppl that go on holiday to Spain and then complain about the Spanish speaking Spanish!
I remember having to learn and sing songs and rhymes in Russian. If anything, it was fun, I still remember some of them to this day. And I still speak my native language, didn't do me any harm. Polish and other children in English schools quickly become fully bilingual, with accents indistinguishable from those of natives.
This is not really about children having to learn a song in Polish or Latvian. This is about families that have been affected by huge increases in migration in recent years. They feel alienated in their own community and i know how they feel as it has happened in my own town, very rare i hear an English speaking voice in my town centre these days.
How will these so-called parents cope in a real emergency?
Bit ott crying because they didnt understand
oh please parents get a grip. Bet you all mumble through the verses of gangnam style and don't object to your kids singing it either
And the children of the Eves and Meldrums of Little England will stay as ignorant as their parents. Well, someone has to collect unemployability benefits.
Well done Peckover School. I feel sorry for the children who are being brought up in such narrow minded environments.
So what? When I was a lad, one time we learned a Japanese poem in honour of a visiting Japanese dignitary. I'm sure everyone has learned to recite SOMETHING in a foreign tongue at school.
Lol! My 6 year-old daughter has french lessons at her primary school and it's almost every day that she comes home singing a new french song and even prefers to count in french. But let me tell you something, not once has she been reduced to tears because she doesn't understand french! She's always happy and always very excited about being able to say new words in another language! And trust me, kids do not have difficulty understanding their native language. They might have difficulty understanding profanities that their parents use but definitely not the correct use of speech! There's a difference!
It was just a song, my daughter has spent all week singing a Spanish song she was taught my some Spanish children during a web talk with children from Spain. She doesn't know the meaning of the words but she is hardly traumatised. The issue here is the parents not the children, children are tolerant and excited by learning new things unless adults give them reason to believe there is something wrong.
im sorry but if my children...i have 2..... get the opportunity lo learn new languages, cultures as part of their education then i think its BRILLIANT. i understand that if you go to live in another country one should leanr tge language or go to an international school but depriving your children of learning about those tuings...please.....should they not learn modern foreign languages now i mean...they are in another language
A classic example of why we seem to lag behind so many other countries in speaking other languages
I can see why the school felt it needed to have an international festival with parents like this. And by the way ladies, you are being pathetic.
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FUSS..... WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR CHILDREN BEING EDUCATED ABOUT OTHER CULTURES? IM SURE THE TEACHER USED THE SITUATION THEY ARE IN AS A OPPORTUITY.
Too right!! In English we speak English.
I'd be extremely impressed if my son could sing in Lithuanian. I used to teach Montessori school children and our Montessori was extremely mixed and we used to have 'Culture Weeks' where we'd learn Polish, Indian, Chinese etc rhymes, songs, stories - the children loved and and they learnt about different cultures. I fail to see the problem here.
being in a school choir for 5 years.we would sing songs in french,german,etc.we should be learning languages. what if when they grow up perhaps these children might want to work in other countries.a young woman i worked with was born here,but she was first generation italian.she took qualifications in the subject,and eneded up an interpreter.
Very prejudiced and narrow-minded mindset of the parents, my goodness! When I was in school in Northern England we learned classic GERMAN folksongs in our music lessons and it certainly never harmed any of us, in fact I remember all the words today and was often asked to sing it for my aunts and uncles on special occasions! It is a lovely song! Learning songs in other languages adds to culture and diversity and should be encouraged in all schools! The German kids here learn english folksongs too and they enjoy it. Certainly nobody here complains as the Germans are far more tolerant than most Brits. These complaining parents need to wake up to 2013 and get a grip!
So wrong and the answer so simple , the children from there sing the song . Then it is sung in English .
English songs only in schools please! Learn our language if you want to live here.
In Broxburn in Scotland there was a large influx of polish families to the community and something similar happened. They made the children learn songs in Polish and the mass at the local church was made polish so they made the Scottish children learn Polish. Shouldn't it be the other way around!
My daughter has a Chinese girl in her class and they all learned how to sing Happy Birthday in Chinese. I wouldn't even think of complaining about this - I think it's great that my daughter had an opportunity to learn that there are different languages and cultures in the world!
Time to learn world languages
The song should at least be explained so the children know what they are singing about. I can imagine how overwhelmed these kids were though. They sound out of their depth. This was handled all wrong in my opinion. By all means have songs from other countries..be good if hey are explained.. But all this should not be to the cost of our own culture. There has to be a balance not a take over bid.
How DARE the school indoctrinate kids like this? UKIP all the way!
Dear skool, I do not want little Jonny to learn a foreign language or be exposed to other cultures other than a bit of Spanish to order beer for his granddad in Spain. It is a song for children, it teaches them about other languages so when they get older they can think outside the box, this why the UK lags behind in languages, the rest of the wold does not speak only English, it is a myth.
im lithuanian and im saying that this is stupidity and i support clare and other parents. british kids may learn (only if they want to) but they dont have to for sure. no one can force them in any way to do so.
British way of life will have vanished in 50 years
So what? International culture is on my child's syllabus. Last year I sent my daughter into school dressed in a kimono because each child was tasked with wearing a costume to represent an allocated country... They even sampled cuisine from a selection of those nations and learned cultural songs (God forbid in foreign languages!) She talked enthusiastically about international facts for weeks... Grow up silly parents and broaden your horizons!
It seems English is the second language in this case...
These two boys came home in "floods of tears" because of a song.... right!!! Somehow I find that very hard to believe. Learning songs in different languages is educational and good fun, I cant help thinking if the song was in Swedish or French, the mothers wouldn't have kicked up such an unnecessary fuss....
I frequently travel to Morocco and it is frankly embarrassing how most of the Brits don't bother to say "please" or "thankyou" in either French or Arabic when they go on holiday there. Contrast that to the locals who learn two languages at school (classical Arabic and French), speak Berber and Darija at home and then teach themselves English, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch etc so that they can work in tourism. They then might be lucky enough to earn £10 a day. I am ashamed to be British when I read stories like this.
I think we are now as insular as we were centuries ago. Despite modern communications many folk, especially those old enough to know, are clueless about the Baltic States. What contributions they have made to mankind but few could locate Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania if given a map. So sad.
The parents must really hate the Eurovision Song Contest.
Talk about PC gone mad. They're living in England , they should be taught English. What an absolute shambles. I'm so glad my children have finished their education, but I fear for my grandchildren. Something's got to give , it can't go on the way it is. Trouble is bubbling on the surface , but the imbeciles running the country just won't see it.
Disgusting
Have these parents, (and only 23 of them, bless!), really got nothing better to complain about? How bigoted must you be to object to your child learning a song in a foreign language? I wouldn't actually want to send my child to a school that didn't teach this!
What a silly thing to be upset about! In year one I leaned about Chinese New Year and my class put on a play and sang in The song "Jesus loves me yes I know" in Chinese no one was traumatised we were proud to have learned something new and my parents were impressed and came to watch out class perform, no one suffered and I am not expected to speak fluent Chinese its supposed to be a fun approach to learning!
What a wonderful way to learn a language and to widen your horizons. I seem to remember that Lithuanian is quite a special language. I must look it up. What lucky English children, lovely Lithuanian children, and short-sighted, dim-witted mothers!!
personally I wouldn't be bothered, British people need to learn other languages rather than depending on people abroad speaking English! as long as the children understand the song the teacher should translate the song into English for them to so they're learning a new language! speaking more than one language is a gift! why deprive your children from it? it could help them later on in life! I could speak another language! while the children are young and can pick things up easily why not!
Are you kidding me? At school I was taught frere jaques, sur le pont d'avinon and silent night in german. Its not as if they are teaching lessons in a different language. Its kind of ironic that its called inclusion concert maybe the parents should go back to school and learn what inclusion means.
I can tell you that better lithuanian then polish is much harder to learn, ah this culture of complaining all the time she doesn't look like full time working mum .
In some schools learning a modern foreign language is compulsory, what would these parents do if their children had to learn French, German, Spanish or Italian? Is it because they're not Eastern European?
"Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561, STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:25" Yes, of course they do! People learn English all over the world by learning songs in English, music is a great learning tool. (Or maybe you were being sarcastic, not sure...)
UKIP all the bloody way! This country is a soft touch joke!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
Your comments:what's wrong with kids learning another language?
That purple hair dye is lovely isn't where did you get that from. Learning a foreign language is good for your mental development.
The 23 parents opposing this should shake their heads in shame at their small mindedness
What a disgrace those parents are! A child may find it difficult to learn - think what their peers have to go through on a daily basis! As it is for a singing festival the parents should be encouraging their children to have fun and join in. Shocked at what some people are like!
Grow up! Out numbered...do you actually hear the way you people come across! There is nothing wrong with this at all. If you do then you have issues with people from other countries. A song does not imply they are being taught how to speak the language. Maybe people should look at their own apparently English language. Can not understand a word of what these people say and I am English!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
ENGLISH is the language of the UK last time I looked!
My children are native English speakers and they love learning bits of other languages.If it's only the odd Lithuanian song here and there, mixed in with some Frere Jacques and a bit of Nessun Dorma, it can only be enriching. What is this story really about?
I highly doubt the children came home in "floods of tears" because they couldn't understand the words to a song. That sounds like the parents' version. Living in Canada we're used to dealing with more than one language - in fact we send our kids to "immersion" schools where they are taught all their classes in a language different from Englisih. There are French, German, Filipino, Cree - you name, we have it. Being able to speak more than one language is a gift.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
What a wonderful way to expand a young mind. They will now realise that there are many languages in Europe. It is well known that improved language abilities aid learning. I know several young people who can speak fluent English who are Polish, French and Spanish. British people now have the opportunity to learn another language and this will help them think "outside the box." Music is a language, so is mathematics and most of the school curriculum. Lucky kids. We never had the chances they are getting. We were proud English and people must speak our language.
I am a patriot. I did my time for queen and country and I miss England. BUT my kids are speaking 3 languages fluently and learning a 4th at school and I know that this is better for them in the long run. By the time my kids are working age the need for more than one language will be the default. Those who baulk at their children learning another language are clearly too dumb to realise their response to this engenders the same reluctance to learn a second language in their children and will impede their children's opportunities later in life.
Britain is full of kids whose parents are Irish, some would be native Irish speakers. I've never heard of them learning a song in Irish........... has anyone?
We learned a song in Swahili at my Hampshire Primary school in 1967 - so why is everyone so surprised in 2013? These parents need to remember that the younger their children are exposed to different languages, the easier they will find them to learn.
How about them learning English its a useless language any way out side of its own country.......unbelievable
So when I taught my class of 5 year olds a song in French and we coloured in the flag I was forcing something frightening on them in this womans eyes I assume? They absolutely beamed when they realised how clever they were. Children are knowledge sponges and they love to show off new skills such as these. A child is only going to get upset when doing something like this if the parent leads them to feel it is somehow wrong.
Do they object to Frere Jacques. Not me, I learnt it in junior school in 1979 in Burton upon Trent which was hardly a hot bed of immigration back then. Let them enjoy learning a Lithuanian song. Well done.
Blame Tony Blair & his government .They started the ball roling.
Only idiots would deny their kids the chance at learning linguistic skills that will come in very handy in latter life, little johnny may have an aptitude for language. I'm bilingual, my child speaks Welsh and is learning Mandarin, learning languages at a young age is much easier that latter on.
I'm in shock at this protest, surely this is all about learning more about other cultures. My oldest son starts school in September & I would be thrilled if he had an opportunity like this. The school are clearly trying to expand the children's horizons further & should be applauded for this, not face seemingly pointless protests.
i was taught french songs in primary school nobody complained
'' It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' My 3 1/2 year old speaks Turkish, understands and speaks some Arabic and English - and an 8 year old is struggling to learn a song in a foreign language - strikes me as ignorance and laziness from some of the parents and their children !
Goodness. I was taught Latin, French, German and Spanish at school. Where is the difference in being taught another European language? For crying out loud woman, what's wrong with you?
When I went to school in Switzerland we learnt songs and a lot more, in French, Spanish, Italian, English etc. It's called Culture, folks.
Absolutely nothing wrong here, we learnt French, Swedish and German folk songs-and some American ones in Fleet School 60 years ago
God forbid children get a cultural education! I had to go to a ceremony dressed as a Japanese girl guide back in the 80's and read a poem in Japanese to celebrate different cultures. Did I cry? No. Did my mother rally a ridiculous protest? No. Ridiculous.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song the school didn't convert the kids to another religion, get a grip.
I ´don´t understand what the fuss is about. Learning to appreciate other cultures is surely a good thing, and while no one is denying that English should be the language taught in schools, I see nothing wrong with teaching the kids a song in another language for an international theme. It´s also good for the Eastern European children to be made to feel welcome and be proud of their culture. There´s too much bigoty in the world today. A little peace and understanding is all we need
When I was at school in the 1960s I was taught Alloutte, Oh Tannenbaum and Frere Jaques, this had no negative impact upon me or any of my peers, we all survived, no one died, get a life !
So what? I had to learn songs in other languages at primary school. It was fun. Freres Jaques for example. Get a grip.
' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language'. I am genuinely curious: do eight yrs old really struggle with learning their own language? Unless there are some other issues involved?
Han on, I'm being horrible but is the one with the red hair really 48?
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561 , STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:2 Are you joking? Most other countries start teaching english from the age of as young as 4 (for example Denmark). I had to learn French songs which even now I don't know the translation. If my child came home crying over something so pathetic I would not be impressed. In fact I might book a trip to visit Auschwitz or perhaps a day learning about what children in Sierra Leone went through so the sheltered little children can learn some perspective (and perhaps the adults could do with a trip also!)
I was taught a few French, SEVERAL English, a Spanish song and even a MAORI song when I was in school in Qatar, all of which were foreign languages to me and my classmates. It's not that big of a deal. If anything it made us more cultured and expanded our vocabularies! Now I have a talking point when I meet someone from New Zealand. All schools do this!
What bigotted parents! I'm nearly 60 and no parents complained when we learned Frere Jacques (French song) at Primary school. We didn't have French lessons. We simply learned that song. The school is having an International festival. Are they only supposed to feature British culture in the festival ... making it a British festival?
I think it's a fab idea. my 3 year old is learnibg japanese and spanish at home and I can only see the benefits if it
When I was in primary school I remember learning the French song "Frère Jacques" and can still sing in in French and English now. Also, as a school child in Scotland, we always learnt Scottish songs and poems for Robert Burns day. And theres lots of old Scots I never understood, but I survived. I cannot understand what the problem is, I'm sure I would have really enjoyed this event if it had happened at my school.
'It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' OMG don't make me laugh, she is such an idiot! why on earth did her children start school in the first place?!
My country is plagued by ignorant parents like these. Even in 1954 I was being taught French songs; and we loved it because it was such a change from dull, turgid English folk songs.
I remember having to sing French songs and a Welsh song in primary school and shock horror nobody complained! British children need to get ahead with languages! And its an international festival, what do they want them to sing? English songs? We had international days when I was in primary and we would learn to say hello in different languages such as Chinese, German etc and eat different foods, nothing wrong with learning about different cultures My sister went to Belgium for her placement year for primary teaching and children there were already speaking Dutch, French and English fluently because its encouraged and here parents want to complain because their children got to learn another language?!? The UK is so behind on teaching children other languages and unless you go private school/parents educate you on one/you take the time out to learn one yourself we don't even learn. Languages are important especially in the cooperate world, stop complaining and welcome it.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song, get a grip.
Wow, children learning a foreign language and something about other countries. What in the world are these people complaining about? They should be pleased.
They're not racist, agreed, but they are more than slightly xenophobic. I learned a French song at the age of 5. Many years later I speak 3 languages apart from my own, not including Latin and Ancient Egyptian! I can't help but suspect that the kids have only made a fuss (if they really have) to mirror their parents' obvious xenophobic leanings.
I taught my class 'happy and you know it' in Italian as part of our topic and they loved it (they are 6-7). Also, it is well known that children pick up new languages with ease. I'm amazed these parents are so insular, London schools are far more accepting.
Poor, traumatised little darlings... Having to learn a song in a different language? And this is newsworthy why?
I suppose you would call this integration , only in the UK ,its nationals are asked to integrate with the immigrants around them or leave the country. Isn't it just as well we are so tolerant , if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country. Still ,long may it continue , in fifty years time there will be no trace of englishness left as all our children will be speaking many different languages sing many different songs and attending very different schools.
Why doesn't Michael Gove step in and stop this.
the children cant be that bright, i have taught 3 year olds to sing in german, dutch and french
My father came from Lithuania in 1916 as a war and religious refugee. I was born in 1947 with a Welsh mother and went to Hinchley Wood Primary in Surrey. There were many children like me who had eastern European parents, and we learned a variety of ethnic songs and dances, including Welsh, Scottish and Irish. It has certainly enhanced my life, and I remember it with great fondness.
Says it all when some parents have said "they're 8 years old and struggle to learn their own language"
It's an INTERNATIONAL song festival! For goodness sake! They aren't talking about changing the regular assembly songs (do schools still do that?) are they? The fact that they have ONLY 23 parents that have signed that petition so far shows how daft that small minority are. Unfortunately now the children are going to copy their parents crummy attitudes to other cultures. I do feel for the communities whose facilities are being stretched to the limit by immigrants, but it's stricter immigration controls that should be being petitioned for, not bans on children's songs!
THIS STINKING COUNTRY IS FINISHED!!
'My little girl goes to German club,' she said. I just hope she won't be taught to sing " deutschland über alles " my Grandad fought that mob during WW2 & whilst he was still alive never bought anything made in Germany
This is a ridiculous article, when I was at primary school we had a French boy in our class and we all learnt a song I'm French did we cry. No. We're our parents angry? No. We're we scared for life? No. Get a grip DM
How the hell are foreign children going to learn to speak in a way that is acceptable to employers in this country - assuming the parents intend to stay long enough. Multiculturalism does not work.It alienates many of the host country and does not encourage mixing of people.They are not forced or even encouraged to speak the language of the country they are living in.. That way breeds ghettos.
When is this country going to take a stand and say no more?! You come to our country and you should abide by our rules and cultures. You want your own cultures then stay in your own bloody country!!
When in rome, do as the romans do
Oh this reminds me of the day I took my son to toddler group and a Chinese lady enthusiastically jumped up infront of me and said " Hello It's international day! Where are you from?" " ummm... Guildford. " lol. I felt a bit left out, like I should have come from somewhere.
Im annoyed slightly when I hear foreign parents living in the UK..are talking to their children in their parents native tongue. If the children are being bought up to live in this country their 1st language should be English and taught to them by their parents...surely that only fair on the children......unless of course they are learning both.???
Sorry this is wrong. I'm Portuguese and have lived in the UK 23 years, my children are British and although bilingual they do not speak Portuguese here or English in Portugal. I've always worked, pay my taxes, never on benefits and love and this country as my own. When in Rome be a Roman, the language is English learn it, adapt to the way if life, don't like it go back to your country. I'm all for kids learning other languages as education but it's a choice and should not be imposed on people.
ive worked in a school where there are 5 white children in the whole school!
In tears because they didn't understand? I'm sorry but that really is pathetic. I take it these are those same annoying parents who go straight to te head teacher over the tiniest argument?
When I was a teacher I used to run children's choirs, and we regularly used songs in German, French, Italian, Spanish, Bulgarian and Japanese - and those are just the ones I remember. We did it because they were good songs, and sounded better in their original language than they would if translated. English folk music is not, sadly, such a rich seam. I sympathise with the teachers in this school, having to work in the face of such ignorant chauvinism. Let's hope the kids will be a bit more tolerant when they're grown up.
In today's competitive world the more skills and knowledge you have the better it will be for you. Please teach my kid Chinese, polish , Latvian anything! the more she knows the better it will be for her. If these backward parents had any sense they would understand that they hold their kids back at their peril
don't the problem, we should encourage more multiculturalism
Ridiculous all those people that think white British are becoming a minority. White British people still make up around 82% of the British population. Of course the concentration of 'foreigners' are higher in some places but that is life! Go to the Costa del Sol in Spain and see how many British people are there! It is an 'international' festival so why not sing songs from other countries. Pfft 'floods of tears'.. please. I think its nice that their being exposed to other cultures and being taught tolerance, shame their parents weren't!
Bet you still let them listen to Rhianna though right? Hypocrits.
Last Christmas the two& a half year olds in the nursery school where I work sang and danced to songs in 13 different languages. The same number as the nationalities of the children in the class. They loved every minute of it! It's called internationalism and encourages the children to grow into citizens of the world. Some people really need to open their minds!!!
Well, it doesn't say a lot for Wisbech in Cambridgeshire does it? Now I can understand people perhaps getting a little agitated if the lessons were delivered in a language spoken perhaps by a non-British school population as surely English would be the first language. But, a song, we all sang quite a few French or Latin ditties at one time or another so nothing wrong with a little bit of Eastern Europe will do no harm.
Good bye England!
Given the quality of the teachers in this country the whole thing will probably be a failure, our schools have great difficulty teaching children English let alone Polish! The loony left tendency in the teaching profession have massively damaged the educational standards over the last 60 years. As a country we now languish in about 27th place for the teaching of our native language, if they are now going to teach Polish that is likely to be even more inadequate.
Its for an INTERNATIONAL singing festival for goodness sakes!! what are you all so afraid of! they are not being taught maths in Lithuanian are they? Get a grip peoples! I remember when i was at school in the choir, we were taught songs in French, Latin, German and even an African song! There is nothing wrong with a little bit of extra knowledge ... expand your horizons.... It actually made learning languages later on so much easier. Instead of spending time petitioning, why don't the parents make an effort to find out the translations or better yet, write to the school & request them?? You are not helping your children you are harming them by keeping them ignorant !
They're only eight years old they struggle with their own language? I'm sorry children learn a damn sight quicker I think this is a case of yet again parents thinking they run the schools when in fact half of kids now a days can't read, write their own name or use the bathroom! Any excuse not to sit down with a child and assist with education at home! I could speak basic french when I was eight why can't your children learn a different language! Wisbech isn't that draconian educate your kids and help them understand there is more out there than a run down seaside resort of yesteryear!
Did the Lithuanian and Polish children sing anything in English? No because I guess English does not pass as 'culture' these days. Yes, when I was taught piano I had to respond to Italian commands, and if I had taken ballet I would have had to respond to French. But piano and ballet lessons are voluntary. We were eventually taught French and German after year 6. However, any French or German children at our school had to learn English or they could not stay. And if I had gone to school in France or Germany, I would have had to speak their language. This is all being handled very badly, and is doing nothing for community cohesion. It is all about being easier to bully English children into accepting Lithuanian and Polish culture than it is to argue against the flood of immigrants from that part of the world.
As we have a reputation for being too lazy to learn another language...just speeeeeaaaaaaakkkkk. Ssloooooowwlly or shout, Johnny foreigner will get the message....this does not surprise me one wee bit...
Welcome to multicultural Britain.
What hope can we have for our children when as parents we are so small-minded?
Might it not be useful - or at least interesting - for these British children to have a smattering of linguistic knowledge about their new school companions? Because like it or not, these British parents must accept that eastern european children will be mixing with their own offspring for the unforeseeable future - and surely it is better to 'pave the way' now, rather than have to 'build bridges' later on? I lived in foreign countries as an RAF child and learned songs in German, Norwegian and French. Don't think it did me any harm and it was interesting and challenging, in a pleasant way.
No different to what songs are sung in asian areas and what language is spoken daily. Lets face it, English people are being slowly replaced and there is nothing or nobody that can stop it now. White folk will be a minority within 10 years, English within 5 years. Can only blame yourselves for letting this happen and being PC. Get used to it.
I'm amazed these people haven't complained about Dora the explorer being Spanish either.......or maybe, they have????
None of us would mind this if our children were being taught to read, write and count along side these other activities but the sad fact is that too many of OUR children are leaving school without the basic skills needed to survive in the adult world. There are too many of these extra curricular activites taking place and not enough normal teaching and not enough PE. How many children swim every week at primary school anymore, I did but my own children did not, therefore we had to pay for lessons ourselves privately. Will we have to pay for others lessons too now?
It's not as if this is language that will be of any use to the average English speaking child, the onus should be on the incomers to be learning our language. How come teachers can make time in the curriculum for for nonsense like this when more times needs to be spent on literacy and numeracy. If there is time to learn a foreign language, albeit in a limited way, for heaven's sake make it one that will be some use say French or Spanish.
I taught my year 5 class a French song this week which included the line 'shake your bottom'. No complaints so far...
What's the problem? Kids pick up languages very quickly and a kid taught to speak Polish as well as English, could be a bonus in adult life, especially if you go into the building trade. At school we sang "Forrero jacka" (forgive me, my French is not that good) and it did us no harm. Down here, schools are teaching Kernoweck which, is very good because of our Cornish identity but I dare say that Mandarin or French would probably be more productive and a damn sight easier to learn.
A couple of years ago the children at my daughter's school learned a song in Hawaiian for their Christmas play. Not really a problem.
I agree with a lot of what people have said here, growing up, in school I had to sing songs in different languages. It's not a big deal, I had to sing songs in African, Hebrew, French etc. It's something different, I don't know why these parents are making mountains out of mole hills, it's an international festival and it exposes children to different cultures and makes them more tolerant.
What A SHOCKER!! English children learn foreign language in school!! Whatever next? School trip to France cancelled as locals don't speak English?? The problem is, they do speak English because they chose to learn it in schools!! ... get over yourselves!!!
The majority of the world can speak English because from a young age they are 'forced' to learn it. Now she needs to stop being so forcefully ignorant.
What part of 'international singing festival' do these people not understand??? *hangs head in shame that I went to school in this town*
It's not as if this school is going to start teaching lessons in Lithuanian. Nor are all songs sung in assemblies going to be in a foreign language. It's an INTERNATIONAL celebration. For an HOUR! I'm sure the parents' opinions would be very different if it was a French or German song. Interesting that the lady interviewed is happy for her child to go to a club to learn German but she takes exception to Eastern European languages... Hypocrite.
Why on Earth would anyone object to their child learning a song in a different language? My daughter has a friend in school who is from Latvia (who speaks English, as do her parents) and thinks its great fun to be able to say a few words in her language, same when we go on holiday. Sad that a couple of people with very strange views feel they have to deprive their children of having fun with the rest of their classmates simply to make a rather sad quasi-political point.
You come to out country you should speak our language. This country is a joke. UKIP will get my vote
Lol.... Priceless. The outrage bus is in full throttle. I was taught to sing Frere Jacques at school...... How is this any different?
the school children must be getting top marks in english and maths to waste time on this PC drivel. when in Rome etc
Brits you need to get over yourself already! It's only a song, we should welcome multiculturalism! I'm half British half Dutch, but my British side of the family all originally came from Eastern European countries at the end of the last century and I'm marrying a Polish man next year! When I have kids they will be taught about all different cultures, just as I was in primary school. When I was at primary school we learnt about every culture that our class consisted of so that we learnt that they all had something special and I would love for my kids to be taught the same!
Some don't seem to understand the context: the kids learned foreign songs for an INTERNATIONAL song festival! Being trilingual myself (German, Polish, English) I can assure all the doubters, learning a foreign song does not harm the British children at all, rather the opposite - it may actually encourage them to broaden their horizon; culturally, personally AND intellectually. Moreover, those kids with a foreign background usually feel encouraged to ALSO learn the language they are living in, as their culture is not seen as a threat but is actually appreciated.
Load of rubbish, when I was at school we were taught the Welsh national anthem by a Welsh teacher and it made no difference to us, it was just a song
Ignorant parents. I learned Frere Jacques at school. Don't remember my parents starting a petition about it. Whatever happened to embracing differences and learning about other cultures i.e educating children?
I'm all for learning different languages, but I do hope they are including Welsh in this festival if they are including Lithuanian and Polish. After all, Welsh is a UK language spoken by loads of citizens but unfortunately is dying out.
The whole school is hardly being "taken over" just because your kids had to learn TWO songs! Kids love learning stuff in other languages. If your kids find it so traumatic then maybe a little brain exercise will do them good.
It is not an 'international festival' They are just calling it that so they can foist rubbish on people and get other people to come down on them when they complain. People are not coming from round the world specifically for this, this is not held round the world either ... it would be jsut an event in the school, except "Show Racism the Red Card" has got involved making this a fiasco for supranationalism.
Well of course, if we ever stand up for anything British in this country we are called racist, or it's not PC. People are unhappy with the influx of people from Eastern Europe in this country. But, you mustn't say so otherwise you'll get shouted down by tree huggers. I'm not sorry - I think this marks the slippery slope, which we are already half way down! Frere jacques is one thing, but I just don't agree that this is the same thing. However, I do feel sorry for the schools, as they have to cater for all needs and be all things to all people these days.
If the school concentrated on teaching the children to write and speak English correctly first, it would be a step in the right direction. Ask any employer about the standard of English grammar on job applications. Why waste time teaching Lithuavian after we get out the EU the number of foreigners will rapidly decline.
What??!!!
Well we are the minority these days
The difference with 'frere Jacques' is that it is a French song, and French happens to be in the curriculum, whereas Polish and Lithuanian are not. Not yet anyway. A better solution would be to learn the immigrant children songs in English, if im allowed to suggest it.
Living in the UAE I am so glad my kids get to be open minded and learn many languages including help from foreign friends who will be welcome in my home,and to learn about different cultures and religions. It will make them a better person for it.
You would think a woman with purple hair would be a little more understanding and open-minded.... Learning a secondary language improves your understanding and use of your primary language. Not to mention makes you more competitive in the job market.
Probably more useful than the rest of the rot that kids are taught these days.
'We have made alternative arrangements for pupils of parents not wishing their child to take part in the concert to remain at Peckover Primary school, for the hour during which the concert takes place.' So its either do it the school way and take part in the concert in TOTAL or the kids get to stay in school for the period; WOW isnt that peachy? This is WRONG on so many levels, if foreigners want to come to OUR Country they learn OUR language; NOT the other way around! Has no one else seen how wrong this is or are there so many out there burying their heads in the sand while spouting rubbish about that great failure INTEGRATION! And before the sniping starts, I am gainfully employed running my own company, educated to degree level, have never been to Benidorm or anywhere like it and speak English, French, German and a little Arabic!
What a bunch of narrow-minded parents giving Cambridge a bad name. It's an International Music Festival, and they're having songs and music from lots of different countries and cultures. The parents must be terrified the minds of their children will actually expand beyond their own!
so so wrong and so very very sad. adapt to English culture, learn the language or go. it's not a difficult or unreasonable expectation.
There is no freedom of speech in this country anymore. Unless you toe the PC line you are branded racist. Different views and opinions are not tolerated by the bully boys who are intent on dictating to us what we must think and say. Try living in Aylesbury - schools where up to 22 different languages are spoken. Our country is lost to us.
"Children in tears because they did not understand the lyrics"... talk about making things up! There's nothing wrong with learning another language, even if it's just a few words!
The time to complain is when the whole curriculum is taught in Lithuanian...otherwise just enjoy the festival methinks...
For heavens sake what is wrong with these ignorant paents, its an International singing festival, this attitude to me always explains why these kind of so called " adults will happily take their holiday n Spain for the sun and then complain and whinge that not everyone speaks English. Yourchildren are going to meet people of all nationalities their entire lives. Get used to it.
just absolutely shocking. where are we going, soon it will be all immigrant councillors and making decisions for the countries languages
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil.
It's not about the singing in a different language, it's about the large number of foreign kids in the school and the fear of being in the minority and so losing the British identity, this is just a way of protesting at the situation. My kids learned Hindu songs in London primaries back in the early 90's and it was the same then. We didn't complain about 'frere jaques' because most of the class was not French, they were still in France.
I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad.
No wonder Brits are the nation who do not know any foreign languages and mostly are not able to learn one. As to the little Lithuanian kids, they will be at least bilingual. And it will be easier for them to learn further languages should they feel like doing it.
How utterly pathetic that parents would complain about their children learning a couple of international songs for an international festival. While I was at university the choir I was in learned songs in English, Welsh, Italian, Swedish, German, French, Dutch and Yoruba. No, we didn't understand all the words we were singing, but yes, it was fun, it was interesting and it broadened the mind. As a previous commenter has said, one suspects that the outrage has more to do with the parents' views on Poles and Lithuanians than it does with the songs.
My kids learned "Alouette, gentille alouette" and "Frere Jaques" as tiny kids. Somehow, it managed not to scar them for life. These parents are being ridiculous; it's a song in another language! So what? Are they unaware that there's a great big world out there where people *gasp* speak other languages? My local state infants offers French lessons to all the kids - would that also be seen as the collapse of civilisation as we know it?
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........
I would be upset if my kids school didn't teach about different cultures. Would they be upset if it was French? Get a grip!
'Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop! - Corpse Slayer , Little Poland, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:07>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you've seen job advertised for 'Polish Speakers Only' then I can assure you that they're illegal, and you would be fully entitled to report such people to the authorities.
Just think how lucky you are love that you don't live in Blackburn.
To all comments that say that the: 'immigrant children should be learning English!' Whatever makes you think that they are not?
Learning a song in a different language is fine but for all other lessons the only language used should be English.
When I was in school I learned a french song about a bloody pizza and nobody cared, why now? Learning foreign language should be encouraged as much as possible.
It's a song? ....
Wait what? We learned songs in many languages at both my primary and high school and most students and their parents loved it because of the multiculturalism. I remember learning and performing songs in French and Swahili in primary school and when I was in chorus in high school we learned songs in French, Liturgical Latin, Italian and Russian (not to mention learning songs in French and Spanish for our International Week). What happened to celebrating different languages and cultures?
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
I think comparing frere jaques sang in a school with no French pupils is not quite the same as singing in polish and Latvian when these children make up a third of the numbers, what's next polish language lessons instead of French or German?? I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
Trying to improve my language skills for work at the moment, and wishing I had been taught more languages at school. The older you get, the tougher it is.
Hmm. Well, Frere Jacques is short and repetitive, easy to remember. We learned a lot of French songs, all short and easy. Look at the length of the Lithuanian lyrics. These days most children are an idle bunch and moan at anything - because they can. About time they did as they were told.
It's an international song festival for goodness sake,in my multicultural school 40 years ago we did Indian,Irish and English folk dance for a festival because that was the mixture at my school. Some parents need to broaden their minds and tell their kids to join in. We never understood algebra (who does) but we did it without bursting into tears!
What's so wrong with learning a foreign language, the younger they learn the better & faster too! I am working in Austria teaching English to 2-6 year old kids & how much younger than that can you get! The kids love to sing & have fun in their English hour believe me!
I remember being taught songs in a variety of foreign languages when I was at primary school. I also remember that despite not necessarily understanding the lyrics, neither children nor parents had an issue with this.
So sorry and you can all red arrow but for goodness sake this is England not Latvia, Lithuania or Poland! These people come here to live and work and MUST take on our way of life and respect that they are in our country and not their own. This school is quite wrong but for all the right reasons it is trying to integrate but it is foreigners that must adapt to us and not the other way around.
all you commenting about its ' just a song ' no it isnt this is insidious , creeping in and wiping out the english culture and language , immigrants should learn english how can they if the english are being made to learn the immigrant languages ?
Oh Please! It's just a song! Tell your kid to get a grip on reality. Get one yourself while you are at it.
Lyrics what they holding not in Lithuanian
I learnt Frere Jacque in primary school, as well as learning Silent Night and She Loves You (yeah yeah yeah) in German. I suspect this is simply a case of jumping on a bandwagon instead of a legitimate concern about what their child is learning.
Sorry I don't see what the problem is here. It's one song for a one off performance. Personally I think it's a great way to be inclusive and teach children about other cultures.
IN ALL PROBABILITY IT ISN'T THE SINGING - IT IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE BOMBARDED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS OF SO CALLED WELL INTENTIONED TELLING US TO GET ON LOVE IT AND EMBRACE ALL MINORITIES WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT WE ARE ALL SICK OF IT AND HAD THEY NOT POKED THEIR NOSES INTO EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES REGARDING FOREIGNERS AND JUST LEFT THEM TO IT FOREIGNERS WOULD ASSIMILATE AND WE WOULD ALL BE HAPPY - I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHO TO EMBRACE THANK YOU!
Oh please. Go to ANY school ANYWHERE in the world and you will find all the children can speak fluent English. Learning another language is fantastic, whether it is in a song or 4 words or fluent!! What is wrong with this country?!?!?!
I think learning a song in another language is a good idea. the parents are probably exaggerating how upset the kids where!
For those attacking the parents and saying how you learnt a foreign language at school (which indeed I did myself, both French and German) you need to understand that this is part of the EU's attempt to destroy the very notion of Britishness! The Franco-German plan is and always has been to destroy Great Britain as a Nation! They have both attempted to do so through force and lost so now they use the devious EU to get their way! I have no objection to children learning another language (even a European one) but I strongly object to what is becoming indoctrination of our children to accept the immigration and multiculturalism! I'm a Nationalist!
What a shame these parents object to their children learning a few words of a different language.I`m Englishbut live in Germany,had 5 years French and Latin at school,speak good German and Spanish(Both learned in the last 13 years) plus a bit of Polish and Czechish. This has been such a help to me over my lifetime(I`m 64).Let young children learn a bit of any language.In a foreign land when you only try to speak a bit of the tongue the people help you no end.They don`t laugh at you,
I learnt all sorts of foreign language songs at school. It's called education!
Nothing wrong with kids singing in other languages. Seriously, what harm is it doing?
not surprised. bit by bit we lose our grip on a once stable country.
"Fury"? A favourite word of the DM headline writers. According to the DM this country is full of "furious" people, getting red-faced and angry at hearing Lithuanian songs.
All foreign children should be speaking English, singing English and being taught English. Allowing them to continue in their native language will only delay their education but will also hold the English children back. Enough of this PC charade, they are in England now!
Oh no! children taught song in another language , they may learn something and have fun, oh no! Certainly the poor dears should find it difficult , I know some of our 3 year olds here in Taiwan struggle with English songs. So these 8 year old English students are clearly having too muched asked of them.
What sensitive, and silly, souls we seem to be breeding these days.
WeIl I doubt any children came home crying. When i was at shcool we sang Christmas songs in french and German. Why is this any different, especially since it's specifically for an event the school is involved in. Instead the children will be stuck inside doing a boring activity whilst the event is on. What's the point?
I am catholic and went to a jewish school and was taught jewish songs and learned about the jewish culture, i turned out fine i just happen to know alot about a different culture! Makes for something to talk about at a dinner party!
I can't see the harm. If the foreign children also learn songs in English, why shouldn't the English children learn songs in another language too? It surely helps them bond together and prevents ridiculous divisions. As a parent I would not object. If all lessons were taught in Lithuanian only that would be different but I suspect they are not!
This is ridiculous, a non story. When I was little in the 60s we learned things like "Frere Jacques" and "Au Clair de la Lune", then at High School you learned songs in French or German, whatever language you were taking. In the girls PE classes we also did Eastern European folk dances to go with Highland dances. Some of the girls in my class had Polish dads who had been here since WW2 and we had a next door neighbour who came to Britain after the Hungarian uprising; my parents were sad when the council rehoused us all and he was sent to the other end of the town. My dad was Irish, an uncle Polish and a friend's mum was Indian. We all just got on. Since we moved back to Scotland one of our best friends is a black American, another a Sikh. We had another lady here whose mum was a Romany. When we lived in London our friends were Indian Hindu, Iranian, Japanese and from countries like New Zealand. It's been a real education over the years.
Sure le pont, david none, or something like that, which we were made to learn in schools fifty years ago, but then again, the country wasn't overrun with Frenchmen!
Whoever is in charge of this school should get a grip of themselves and to be frank think about retiring from being a teacher. Multiculturalism is a good thing but to spend time teaching children to sing songs in a language that is of no real value is a waste of time and learning abilities. It might sound great to the organizer but start to think of the better uses that could have been done with the time and it pales into obscurity. These days teachers have so much time off for retraining and in teaching time, shorter hours actual teaching and with all the other misplaced events going on do very little real teaching. On their retraining you think that the main subject for them is how to organize better teaching practices with the hours available, because they are totally out of touch with the public. If they should try to learn a language try for Chinese, Japanese, German and French. Though by the sounds of it maybe English should have been added. These are the main languages used.
so they are including national dress of Germany and Greece - -are they also going to make the girls wear burkas just to show them about islam ?? - -or are the kids dressed as germans going to invade the kids dressed as Polish ? - - -sick of England bowing and scraping to everyone else - -this nation is finished - -if they want to come here - and live here - they should be learning to be part of our society.
...and this is why there is racism. I would be more than happy for my child to learn songs in other languages even if there were no children in his class from that county. Why wouldn't you want to show your child different cultures??. I know when I was at school I would have found this exciting and rushed home to show my mum how I could sing in a different language. This is ridiculous.
'Parents' fury' - REALLY?!?! Over a song? Get a life!
It's a good idea to integrate ethnic minorities in schools and what better way than through song .. surely there is some translation of the songs somewhere? It is the right age to learn some new words in different languages .. good idea teachers.
Because god forbid your child is exposed to a culture besides your own...narrow minded whiners.
Get a bloody grip! My children go to a Welsh school should I next complain that they are taught English songs. Heaven forbid children should be taught about other cultures and religions. Hang on a minute...,
Parents fury? Free culture exposure is how this should have been looked at but instead is viewed as an assault on some of these parents inability to understand their kids.
"That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.", they speak pretty good English in Poland and Lithuanian...
This is about an International Festival with songs in different languages which will be sang by all children. There is also an english song so I do not understand the fuss. I had to learn Frére Jacques, May There Always Be Sunshine (russian original) and Old MacDonald had a Farm at primary school and was not reduced to tears.
sur le pont d'avignon, and frere jacques my school in the 1950s not a french kid in sight but I loved singing them have a heart for the poor Lithuanian kids not there fault they are in UK .Children are the same the world over ...innocent
And what are you teaching your children Clare Eve? That they should just sing British songs, not learn other languages and be intolerant of others. I'm sure they will do really well in life with that sort of start. Why don't you home school if you're that bothered I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge to impart. NOT
I learned German and Russian in school and then English at uni...more languages you know better future for you ahead.
This is the United Kingdon
You know what you have to do at the next election, people.
Eight year old children have difficulty learning their own language?? They came home crying because they didn't understand the words of the song, really!!?? Never heard such utter rubbish!
"Children were being taught the lyrics for an upcoming international singing festival" So let me get this straight. These parents are upset that their children are being taught some international culture? What exactly is the problem with singing in another language? Why would the children be so upset? This whole thing stinks of thinly veiled xenophobia.
How awful for them, being exposed to other languages, broadening their horizons, possibly helping them develop linguistically! How dare anyone think they should learn or enjoy anything other than English. Purlease! My siblings and I not only went to a bilingual school but were also taught songs in other languages. To this day, my sister still knows the lyrics to the SA anthem - Zulu and all - and it hasn't held her back, if anything she's now fluent in 4 languages.
I am happy for my child to learn a song in another language and if possible able to speak another language.I know some few words in some languages and when I meet people from those places,when I say somethings in their language,they are shocked.I like that surprise and look of shock on their face.
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
The UK is gradually being taken over by Eastern Europe.
These parents need to get a grip. Whatever people think about immigration, I actually think it's good that children are learning about other cultures. Otherwise we'll end up like Nazi Germany.
one world and no different from singing freres jaques like we all did at school. Teachers just cannot win with moany parents like these
I would love to speak Lithuanian and Polish, I am so jealous! Polish and Lithuanian people speak good English in there countries so what is wrong with out children learning their language?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation.
All children at any school the world over should be integrating into the local culture. Nobody should be encouraged into mutlicultural ghettos and apartheid by "Show racism the red card" gauleiters. Could one of the gauleiters suggest the name of one multicultural democracy that has remained in harmony for the more than 100 years. An answer on a stamp will do.
Would they mind as much if it was a french or spanish song??? When i was at school we had to learn the Hallelujah chorus which is in latin. I still know the words but for the life of me have no idea what they mean. I didn't cry about it either.
Guess what folks it's part of the eyfs and every child matters frame work and its also part of learning about other cultures. I am a student in an infants school where they are encouraged to learn different greetings including polish. It helps bring everyone in the school together and teaches the children that everyone is special no matter what. For those people who keep saying where has English gone in our schools? It's still there, children who have English as a second language are supported to help develop their vocabulary skills in this area.
I am trilingual and grew up with the Polish language, but I can totally understand how these parents feel. At the end of the day, this is Britain where English is the first language, along with Welsh and Gaelic, and the EU five are *hopefully* the modern languages offered at schools. All other languages are for Saturday language schools. Migrants cannot just arrive at a country and take over the education system this way. My family never expected to, and neither did my husband's. Singing songs in non-EU five languages in this way is divisive, not educational. We all sang Frere Jacques at school because we were supposed to learn French!
20 years ago my son learned a song in Urdu. same difference.
I think these parents are just making mischief. The children are taking part in an international festival, what's their problem. It can be exciting for children to learn songs in other languages, my grandaughter was so proud to sing a song in Spanish and when I was at school we learned a couple of songs in French, it did not take over our identity for goodness sake get a life and choose your battles more wisely. Influence your kids in a more positive way and work with the school this way you can influence the really IMPORTANT decisions regarding your children's education.
The problem is not children but their ignorant parents. That was International song contest. But the problem is they hate foreigners. Yet they probably fly to Benidorm every summer.
Floods of tears! Really?! No offence but these kids need to man up a bit. Heaven forbid they ever watch Dora the Explorer and learn a bit of Spanish, they'll be wailing. They'll be scarred for life from learning frere jacques! People love complaining for complaining a sake.
No doubt these parents are the type that holiday in Benidorm as they don't have to bother learning another language. No thought given to how it may make other children feel welcome. No doubt they are sat on their backsides whinging about people from other countries 'nicking our jobs' while claiming dole. Well, the rest of us would rather have them here instead of you....... I would suggest you alter your idea of the typical benidorm holiday maker, i holiday in the benidorm region every year and love it for its mix of european cultures, i am a highly educated man with a good well paid job.
Rather than create a divide, the school are doing something that's all inclusive. Instead of the constant Eastern European bashing by the DM, they should be looking to support things like this. The Eastern European's are here to stay whether people like it or not so i think it's wise that people embrace their culture rather than dismiss it with some over-exaggerated tripe. If people take the time to spend some time with a Pole or Lithuanian for example; you may find that they are not much different from yourself.
What's the problem?Learning a different language is always interesting.
Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years
Were parents really furious? Were kids really in tears because they couldn't understand the song? Come on, get a backbone. Kids get taugh different languages, odd songs, all sorts of things, I fail to see the problem here. It may even help them make friends with their migrant schoolmates.
no no no if you live in this country you learn our language, our songs etc NOT OUR BENEFIT SYSTEM
Do they object to "Frere Jacques"? I'd be delighted if my children learned songs in other languages. If they don't understand the words, they can ask. Learning about other cultures and languages is good for children, and there's certainly nothing to cry about. What's wrong with these people?
Oh for heaven sake. Children coming home in floods of tears? Yeh riiiiiight! It's an International singing festival. Grow a pair, learn the song and get over it. It's good for them to know other cultures. Frere Jaques anyone?
So are there any German children at the school? Surely it makes sense to teach the children a language they can use on a daily basis. in addition I believe that it's the case that having learned one language other languages are easier to pick up. As for the comment about how young the children are do these parents not realise that the countries that teach the youngest children a foreign language have the most skilled linguists? In Norway children start learning English at the age of six.
UKIP 100% come on everyone UKIP it's the only way to stop this crap
Clare Eve - if your 8year old is struggling to learn her OWN language, she is spending too much time in front of a computer and not enough time in conversation with you and yours, love!!!
But parents do not seem to mind there little ones singing: Frêre Jacques! or even the german christmas carol: Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht! (silent night, holy night) - so I can only guess the issue is singing an east european childrens song..........a pity that people get riled over a childrens song when here are more pressing issues and challenges facing todays society.
Migrants come to the UK should be only taught ENGLISH. Don't forget you have to learn ENGLISH to get your free handouts now. I'm not raciest in anyway but our country is the only one who seems to bend over and take it. Yet the British are being left out as it is all handed to migrants. Have they ever paid into to our system. No, no wounder our country is becoming skint.
Wow. Just wow at all this outrage about a song. When I was at school in Holland in the 70s we learned songs in English, French and German and nobody swooned. These parents really need to join the rest of us in the real world.
Oh for crying out loud!!! So the kids learned a song in a different language??? So, what's the big deal?? When I was a kid in school, we had to learn "Frere Jacques" - a song in French. Just about every school child has had to learn that one. And of course, how many learned Christmas songs like "Adeste Fidelis" or "Stille Nacht" in Latin & German - a lot, I'll bet. It's not going to hurt these kids to learn a song in a different language - it might even prompt them to learn more about Lithuania, Poland, Greece & many more. Grow up, people. There are many, many things to get upset over - this is NOT one of them. Look at it this way - at least these kids learning something. Too many sit in school all day everyday & learn absolutely nothing. Get a hobby people.
What's England coming too? You tell them Clare! :-)
Narrow minded sad people. My 4yo is already familiar with 3 or 4 languages, he loves it and it enhances his education. I likes to learn about other cultures. He will develop excellent language skills from early exposure, this is proven.
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so.....
Is this a joke? At primary school we were "forced" to sing French songs. I still have no idea what they mean but they did not do me any harm. I wonder if it were French these kids were learning it would be okay, some people can be very discriminatory to Eastern Europeans and its just not on! My son loves in the night garden and I've been forced to learn their songs and its not even a language!
This once great Nation is a pathetic excuse now
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
Cry? Because they cant understand it? Really? I learned songs in all diffrent languages... What does it matter?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference.
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them
Did our parents show FURY when we learned Frere Jacques or Sur La Pont D'Avingon or Waltzing Matilda .....The Beatles, Madonna, The Black Eyed Peas, ABBA, ELO, Blondie have all had songs with Non-English Words......How do you people think the French, Germans and Dutch, The Chinese, The Serbs, The Lithuanians and the Russian learn English so well.....You Look the sort of idiots who would agree when asked if you were angry.....Still, let your kids languish at the bottom of a pile of fools rather than bury you prejudices and encourage them to try other languages.
It's just the thin end of the wedge.
Stupid teachers. Let them eat cake. When I was a kid in Scotland I had trouble understanding the accent as we had been in Hong Kong before that and they told my mother that I was thick but they then realised what the problem was. I think some teachers are just thick.
Good god! What in earth is happening in the UK? The inclusion we should be teaching is how to come to the UK, abide by our rules, learn the language, pay taxes and respect the native population.
Inclusive or taken over? Eastern europeans who choose to live here,while they are still permitted, should speak english and have their children educated the British way.If they don't want to do that, residence here is not compulsory. This attempt at political correctness to help a deeper understanding is never going to work.These Wisbech parents are representative of many UK parents who have watched while their own childrens futures are sacrificed to help those from afar. We are way past compromise.
Hang on... "International Singing Festival". I would take from this that the children know that they are to be singing songs in different languages, and if there are pupils from Poland and Lithuania then why should the school not choose to represent those countries too? I used to love things like this at school, especially the dressing up part! And it's nice for young kids to learn about different cultures, the fondness stays with you. This situation is like if my mum were to complain about the time I was dressed up as an Ancient Egyptian and taught hieroglyphs...
You CANNOT force multiculturalism down people's throats. People did NOT ask for this, of course they will be extremely upset or does it not matter if you're English? I speak Spanish, French, German, but because I opted too I was NOT forced. Just in case anyone has forgotten this is BRITAIN we speak English here and that's what should be focused on as many foreign individuals I have come into contact with do NOT even understand the word, excuse me.
It never fails to dismay me the way that some think the world is only their back yard. I cannot imagine a school in the world today that does not teach the value of music in any language. Perhaps, this is the village in the UK that refuses not one but all music from other countries, ie, Italy.
Sounds like the WAY the song was being taught was the the problem. Kids should be crying after a music lesson!
Wouldn't happen in France
The festival sounds fantastic. These parents are being ignorant - did they never learn Frere Jacques or Alouette Gentille Allouette at school? Or is it just Eastern European languages they object to. I bet by the time they are 12, the Eastern European children's grasp of English is far superior to many of the English kids' - at least they value education.
Nothing but english should be taught in english schools if immigrant parents want their children taught in their own language then they should pay privately to do it .
As long as they re taught songs in another language. AS WELL as in English, is it not a good thing to expand a child's horizons , it is when another language becomes the dominant one within the school that people should worry
I think it's a great idea - learning about other cultures is an enriching experience and will help any migrant children to settle in by helping the local children with the song.
English speaking skills aren't a priority - especially as it seems to be a prerequisite for getting a job as a carer in the NHS.
What is the country coming to, an English school with English children teaching a song in Lithuanian. They should be teaching the migrant children English, oh yeah I forgot you can't do that, it's not politically correct and might offend the minority.
I remember singing freres Jacques when I was a child, a French song. It didn't make me cry only interested in finding out we what the words meant. These kids need to grow up, or is this parents being Ott again?
If we are after a true multicultural society - this is GREAT - its language which connects people :)
It's a SONG... they're not asking them to give up their British citizenship. It's an INTERNATIONAL festival. Learn about other cultures and nationalities or you'll end up like your parents, kids.
I don't see what the fuss is about. When I was in school (I'm 20) we learnt songs in French, Spanish and German! I think it's good to teach children tolerance and acceptance of other cultures from a young age - maybe there'd be less of the racial attacks so often in the news recently.
So what about all the songs in English and other foreign languages pupils have to learn for example in Germany? Do you believe we learned English by singing german songs? I remember even a song in hebraic, hava nagila hava, which I liked very much to sing. Learing song texts means that you have to train your brain nothing more. And it is a kind of nice gesture to the pupils with eastern roots if there classmates learn some habits from their culture.
Schools can't do right for doing wrong. I was taught Frere Jacques at school 20 years ago and my parents didn't march up to school and complain, they didn't go running to the press either. I dont believe the children were in floods of tears either but thanks to their mummies they get to stay in school to do extra work while the rest of the school take part in a wonderful international music festival. These parents need something better to occupy their time.
I learnt Frere Jaque at school and had no idea what it meant - I really don't see the problem with doing a one-off song in another language... I think there is a bigger problem here and the English parents are resenting the amount of non-English speaking people in the school/town. They are sounding a bit petty by moaning about the song though.
It's no different to us learning Frere Jacques in primary shool, way back!!!
These people have come to the UK and should integrate accordingly. If you want to sing in Polish etc., stay there!
Oh c'mon now it's a song... Yes I think you should only speak English in an English speaking country but I always was interested in learning a new language. It is educational after all...
Oh please, "children in tears because they couldn't understand the song"? I'm a primary school teacher in Amsterdam with predominantly immigrant kids in my classroom and I've taught them foreign songs, including English, French, Hebrew and Surinamese songs. Did the children get upset? Of course not, they loved it. Because children love singing, especially in a foreign language! I'm guessing this has a lot more to do with the parents than with the children or the school...
Might as well learn the immigrants languages - English will soon be a minority langage in this country - thanks Tony!
my son schools was having the festival were the pupils were singing songs in Japanese and few othere languages-they were happy to learn and they had a great time...I understand tthat everyone is obssesed with people from abroad living here but seriously. ..didnt we all learn frerre jacke at school?
Wake up to the concept that the minorities rule and then make your voice count. Vote in elections; write to local papers; collaborate with neighbours; etc.
Oh for goodness sake!! We were taught songs in French as kids, it's called culture! Get over it, learning a sing in another language won't hurt your precious darlings.
I was taught 'Frere Jacques' as a child and my parents didnt cry about it...God forbid children would learn about a culture other than theirs!
I see know harm in learning a song in a different language. If we all learned just a little bit of each others cultures, perhaps there would be less prejudice and hatred in the world.
I learned Frere Jacques in school and was hardly scared for life despite not really understanding the lyrics. Did Gareth Malone not have primary school children singing the opening of Carmina Burana which is in Latin? Music is an international thing and long may it remain that way.
An international singing festival sounds ok. We did one at school and learnt something about other cultures. Not sure why the kids were crying though. They sound a little bit pathetic to be honest
We were taught a french song when I was at school, I don't remember anyone objecting to that. Silly small minded people, letting their own political agenda get in the way of their children's fun, education, development and understanding of different cultures. Sad really.
Came home because they didn't understand the words? What a load of rubbish. Many foreign children are taught English songs in their home country and they don't go crying about it. Foreigners bashing all over again.
Seems all one sided to me. ...if the parents object, their children will ber main in the school. This is obviously a sign of the times, and just guess where the school places the most value. Very worrying and very divisive.
Heaven forbid their children might get to learn about other cultures!
Children being taught to sing a song in Lithuanian or Polish is not a problem, however teaching children to be xenophobic IS a problem. We live in a multicultural society now whether we like it or not, and teaching children different languages is an excellent way of broadening their knowledge base. I feel very sorry for these children having such narrow minded parents to be honest.
RIGHT - FOR THE FINAL TIME - THIS IS ENGLAND. OUR NATIVE TONGUE IS ENGLISH. ANYONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE IT, KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN DO.
Frère Jacques,Frère Jacques, Dormez vous?Dormez vous? Sonnez les matines,Sonnez les matines, Din, din, don!Din, din, don! Anyone else remember learning this in England during the 70's
Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop!
Parent outraged that children are educated in foreign language at school - you couldn't make it up! When I was at primary school I learned Fere Jaques (brother John ... Awful spelling I know), I didn't understand the words either, but didn't cry about it. Also had to learn Adeste Fideles - again I had I idea what I was singing. My daughter came home from primary school having learned "hello" in Polish, and "happy new year" in Chinese. These parents are ridiculous ....
i suppose they all came home from nursery crying when they learnt frere jacques as well! for goodness sake its a song! if it was in spanish or french it would be seen as advantageous to learn something in a different language. the fuss is because its in polish and that hits a nerve with parents who object to the number of students from that country in the school.
I cannot see much wrong in children singing a song in another language. I had to sing in French and there were no French children in the class. The Baltic cultures have some great traditions but we always follow the US and spend thousands on Prom nights and send children out trick and treating on Halloween.
Oh get over yourself. Its an INTERNATIONAL festival. The name of the festival should've been a hint. Jeez. And now they have also been taught the meaning of the words. My parents didnt give a hoot that I as a Muslim had to learn "oh come all ye faithful", or that one day i was Sita in the Diwali celebrations and that my brother was Santa Claus when he was 5 for the Christmas Play. Gods sake.
What is it with these leftie teachers. Why do they feel the need to suck up to everyone else's culture and at the same time play ours down?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up.
Surely it should be the other way round., the migrant children should be singing in English. They are now living in this country with access to everything paid for therefore they should follow this country's curriculum. There are lots of migrant eastern European children attending a school near to me and when it is school times all the parents chatter away in their own language, not attempting to help their children, consequently more teaching time is needed for these children
Your comments:what is wrong? It's just a song?!! My eldest just graduated kindergarten. They sang in English, Spanish and Hebrew! The same song. The kids loved being able to sing in other languages. It's not going to harm them. It's not a religious school. It's not even a very multi-cultural school. Just they decided to "show-off" their skills!!! Get a grip!!
Not one of us went home in tears when we were taught Frere Jacque. What a bunch of wimps kids are these days.
Burying your head in the sand and shouting "pull up the drawbridge" will not change the fact that European integration is the inevitable future of this country. Young people embrace and enjoy different cultures, so this is no hardship on them whatsoever.
That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.
Integration via song. is it such a bad thing. After all we DO have the Eurovision Song contest. And all the youngsters are being taught not only how to sing in a foreign language, but also the meaning of the words they are singing. It would be worse if they knew not what they were singing about. Can't think of a better way to 'bridge the gap'. Only the parents are the ones complaining. But then . . . .
Nothing wrong in learning a second language ..
We the British public know why the NHS is crumbling. The job market almost non existent . The beautiful countryside is being built on. The economy sliding to zero. How is it the politicians can't see or understand this (or maybe don't want to). IT'S TIME TO SHUT THE DOOR AND GET RID OF THE BLOODSUCKERS. There are some very fine and good workers who come here and integrate well with us. BUT we are only a small island. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MR CAMERON. Be bold and strike out for England!
I think the British economy relies a lot on cheap laborers from East Europe.
- Real , London, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 21:30 I have to agree with you and with the rest posters, too.
I wouldn' tmind but many of them are not even friendly and are here to line their pockets not make friends outside of their race. It will end up like Brussels a load of strangers who have nothing to do with each other.
My husband applied for a job in Budapest recently, but was told " Sorry, we only employ Hungarians". - Charlotte Freedom , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 22:11 Same as Spain and France, Shame our government are traitors to its own people
Tell us something we didn`t know.We have to live with them. The Government needs to Shut the Door. The UK is Full UP. Go Away.
Want to blame anyone: you all voted for the governments that allowed this to happen! Time to rename your group of islands as there is no place for "great" anymore. Bristih culture has been sold to the devil!
@ - Old Chap, St Georges Grenada WI, 5/12/2012 10:22 ==>" As Britain is not a member of the Schengen Agreement which created the borderless zone of the EU and we do not have to let these people in to Britain. So can someone tell me what's going on here. W
We will end up just like the Yanks, a Heinz 57 of NO IDENTITY
I can already see a boom in the market price of larders converted to fully self contained studio flats. Each containing a double decker double bedroom and a kitchen convertible to a wet-room. And that with walls dividing windows, as already is a practice... Every little helps...
we have been taken over and i thought we won the war obviously i was wrong.
My husband applied for a job in Budapest recently, but was told " Sorry, we only employ Hungarians".
Well send them all back ASAP as we are FULL and I mean FULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husband applied for a job in Budapest, but was turned down and told "Sorry, we only employ Hungarians" !!!!! He was very upset. R.C.
Things were fine until th Romans arrived (martin the runaway celt)
Only God owns the planet. You can live anywhere you want without your human right harassment.- Claire, Somewhere in London., 5/12/2012 5:32 +++++++++++ You really believe that do you, why then do they pass through so many countries to get to Britain, why not settle in one of the many they pass through or their way here.
If we have over a Million of these now Europeans well for all those that draw benefits the bill should be given to the President of the EU not to the tax payer of these Isles, as we do not want the vast Majority herethis country is on its knees with this over burden of Benefit seekers as it is the nation that is suffering not our gutless MPS who were not given permission by the democratic System as they are not suffering one bit (but we are)
we really have had enough for gods sake. vote UKIP.
Get us out of the EU, otherwise this country will die.
Bunch of free-loaders! If they do come here and we're forced to house them instead of building houses on our lovely, rolling countryside that's not only enjoyed by everyone and must be preserved for wildlife, growing food for the already-expanding population here as well as other reasons, why not put them in Portakabins/shipping containers stacked one on top of the other on disused brownfield sites that are going to waste - job done. Also ref: the comment: 'If EU workers are so hard working why can't they make a success of their own country.' Get us out Lincoln - 17:11 5/12/2012. You hit the nail on the head with that comment - couldn't have put it better myself.
No benefits unless they have already earned them. If EU says this impossible then- STUFF THE EU (They can go to any other EU country but preferably Brussels)
The next election...local or national....do something about it. Most wil still follow the herd.................
To trixiemoo, please educate yourself (re: ,inter alia,TFEU) before posting such atrocious and ignorant comments...
The term "RATS IN A BARREL" comes to my mind, thank goodness I don't have any children as they would have no hope and no future thanks to the eu.
Why not send a million of our own worthless lay about to their countries under the same garauntee that they have free housing health service and loads of bennifts then we want have to build all those houses on green fields, I garauntee we may have the best bargain theirs work ours don't. I to will be voting UKIP next time.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION? - True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 You should put this in the comments every day so everyone can see it
- Stu Pidd , Smarter than the ave DM reader, 05/12/2012 19:47 - We could make a start by kicking out all the STUPID people!
- betty ms , london, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 18:35. There is only one safeguard and that is to leave the EU. Our current politicians will not do that.
- Happy Harry, LA LA Land, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 19:35 - They will also be traitors to all who suffered and/or gave their lives for the freedom of this country. Not only are we sending billions out in Aid, EU contributions and welfare to people's kids
Let's start by kicking out the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
UKIP are the only party who will stop all this nonsense. This sort of thing is an affront to any right -minded Brit.
If any Government lets this Happen then they are TRAITORS to ALL OF US.
@- Ted , Teddington, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 18:23 Couldn't have put it better myself! I feel physically sick at seeing this country become a free-for-all for those who seem to despise us and the world is laughing at us. Which countries are doing best 
- hassan2k12, London, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 17:54 What do you mean "OUR LAND"?
What most people do not know, is that if you or I were to go and live in any of the above countries they wouldn't give a damn if you starved homeless on the streets. There are no benefits in any of the other EU countries, and the UK is seen as a free ticket, a bit like winning the lottery. So why are we allowing them to come here and take ours. If they have not worked for at least a year or more and contributed to the state in taxes then send them home. We should be more like the US and basically if you don't have a job waiting for you, you do not get to stay!
Blair's legacy. This is why this country is now in the state it is.
THIS MILLION ARE TOO EARLY AS WE HAVE NOT YET BUILT THE NEW HOMES FOR THEM>VOTE UKIP AND PUT A STOP TO THIS MADNESS
No.1, I wonder why the nhs cant cope, No.2. Two guess's who will get put to the top of the housing waiting list. The tories slammed labour for opening the doors but until they shut them they are no better! Mayday 2013 EU Referendum vote please!
Why are there no safeguards in place to prevent excess numbers all flocking to one place?
No wonder the green thumb comments are from the north. All lazy sitting on you backside doing nothing but moaning and complaining about who does what and who has what. Move on with your life and try to turn it around from miserable to something interesting, you will be better off. It makes feel nausea when I hear you talking on behalf of the taxpayers whereas we know you pay peanuts in comparison with London who is keeping you up. I am able to say that because I am from London and I pay £20000 a year off my salary. - Brainless, Mars, 5/12/2012 13:57=============YOUR NAME SAYS IT ALL. NO DOUBT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN HERE OR YOU WOULD SEE THE ROADS, TRAINS BUSES CHOCKER WITH WORKERS, AND NOT THEY ARE NOT FROM EASTERN EUROPE AS MOST OF THOSE ARE DOWN SOUTH TOO.
If EU's people come here doing the voluntary work at least for 5 years, that will be great, but if to settle and try to get the most of this country, we may be have to think a solutions before all Britons get worse in the economy. May be should start from now on.. people who come in 2008, not allow to get jsa, or any benefits if they never done voluntary those years.. so at least it will put them off. if starting from now, it is too late,..
It feels as though no-one in power cares about the future of this country. I have read Agenda 21 Lisbon Treaty and we are being led by councillors and politicians into the abyss. This has been a long time in the planning and is gaining momentum with house building and knocking benefits, pushing out the needy and welcoming the fresh and cheap EU citizen to take our place. Every step of the way is being planned and carried out by our elected and non elected leaders. Today in this northern pennine town I saw a lady wearing a sari. Bet she was cold.
And will they be able to send home to their mother countries our benefit money funded by the taxpayer as do the Poles and other nationalities......Wonder how many servicemen now dead would turn in their graves thinking what this country has become....A cesspit for the world......Our troops, including my grandfather, fought the Bulgarians in the Great War and now they will be entitled to come over here and virtually spit on his grave.
VOTE UKIP - GET OUT OF EUSSR NOW!
The only way to stop this is by voting UKIP. The other parties will not give us a vote on Europe so it is our only way of stopping this human tidal wave .
Don't build on green land. They're not worth it. If the stupid Labour Gov. hadn't let the Poles in, England wouldn't be in this mess. There was no need to let them in. Germany and Austria refused and so they've all gone to England even though Germany and Austria are a lot closer to Poland. Everywhere you go now, you see them (i understand Polish). They are in all the service industries, even in places like Southport and Scarbourogh. I keep thinking when I stay in a hotel that if I had wanted to come into contact with so many Poles, I would have gone to Warsaw or Krakow instead. Of course, they're doing the jobs that the lazy resident population won't do because they woud rather - and the last gov. was more than willing to let them - live off taxpayers. Too late now - the damage has been done and heaven help England when the Bs and Rs arrive - a fresh massive crime wave!!!! DON'T BUILD ON GREEN LAND. LET THEM SLEEP IN THE STREETS OR GO BACK HOME!!!!
There is only one way, have a referendum and get out of EU.And send back to their country. Unfortunately Cameron dosn't have the guts to do it,, but on today budget british people have to pay for bulding new hoses for immigrats. Where the english pride, has gone?
NO, NO, NO!! Is that loud enough for all those government members permitting this influx, with holiday homes overseas to escape to, to hear?
democracy has ended ukip a false hope
I've persuade my two sons and their families to move to Switzerland and we shall be going too. Britain is not a nice place to bring up children anymore.
With take home pay in Bul/Rom running to 200 euros a month, and millions unemployed can't see that 1/2 million figure holding up for long. After all why do you think the restrictions where introduced in the first place.
Now you know why cuts are necessary and this includes reductions in pension allowance.
Stop paying them benefits.Stop giving them houses. They will soon stop coming here. Then look at all that are here already,who have never worked and never paid in and start sending them back to their own countries.We would soon have more money in the pot and enough houses. When this is completed then start looking at those british born who won't work. Instead of taxing the workers to the hilt.
Get us out of EU and give us back our country
Utter disgrace that Theresa May is 'powerless' to do anything to stop even more of these 'additional' people arriving here - I don't want to sound bias but not only are these 'additional' people an economic drain on this country, there will be a likelihood in an increase in crime too. Last night on the news at 6.00 it was a reported there was a significant rise in the number of homeless people, particularly in London, when the reporter was interviewing two young homeless men I noticed that these young men were British. Point: People born and bred in this country are not given help when times are hard, with the homeless given little hope of being rehoused in the near future, compare that with those 'additional' people who are given a home as soon as they arrive here. If more homes are being built we might as well kiss goodbye to England's green and pleasant land.
If EU workers are so HARDWORKING why can't the make a success of their own country ???????
Stop building to accommodate these people .If there is nowhere for them to live,perhaps they will think twice.Especially with present weather
Stop building to accommodate these people .If there is nowhere for them to live,perhaps they will think twice.Especially with present weather
"""The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far. - grossundhart, Hobbiton, United Kingdom
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You do realise that Norway isn't a member of your beloved EU, don't you? I wonder, did you intend to make a fool of yourself?"
Welcome to the benefit dustbin . The only escape is U.K.I.P.join us fruitcakes and loonies as that ideot call me dave calls us at the next election we will see who is smiling.
Lets hear again Mr Cameron the benefits to the British people of membership of this lunacy call the EU?
Our own people are accused of 'queue jumping' when asking for council housing, I know it happened to me! My family can trace their roots back 500 years + in the same county, so we are obviously not entitled to any help from the state!!!!!!
...and still people want Labour back in power.
GB stands for guillible bleeding country vote ukip
OMG have just read that the DHSS have already opened offices in these countries to help them with their paper work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If this is true then we have no hope in this country anymore!
"The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far. - grossundhart, Hobbiton, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:4" So what is stopping you from leaving now if you hate it so much? Genuine question.
David Cameron praised Mr Boles for raising the issue. And backs building plans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This man does not give a damn about being re-elected because he knows that there will be no need for an election in 2015!
Oh the lies you can tell with statistics!
One word. UKIP
Vote UKIP then!!
Get UKIP in power, Get out of the EU, close our borders, bring our soliders home, change our benefit system so you have to work if you want to live in this country. Just an idea of mine, my family, friends, colleges and most people i know.
Get UKIP in power, Get out of the EU, close our borders, bring our soliders home, change our benefit system so you have to work if you want to live in this country. Just an idea of mine, my family, friends, colleges and most people i know.
One word. UKIP - jaffacakefuel , London, 05/12/2012 12:40 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the level of intelligence of UKIPpers. Would you say that "GB" is a word? I would hope not so why do you think UKIP is a word? Is is just 4 letters
The irony of it is, if the situation was a carrot the EU would have rejected it. Everyhting must be halted while we have an inquiry to ascertain these figures and why we have not been given them, which means we should be ready no time soon! Very shoddy practise by the EU. Misery for the people who pay it's way.
Stu Pidd. You seem to be talkimng from somewhere between the cheeks of your backside. To a certain point I agree that the benefit scroungers need to be dealt withbut leave the retired people alone, the majority of them have worked all their lives, paid their dues and demands and are entitled to the state pension. It is the likes of those who are on benefits but yet tell lies to get more money. Sadly tghere far too many 'swinging the lead' in our country and is has been going on ever since national health service was introduced back in 1937 and people then were greedy.
UKIP is our only hope. There's nothing wrong with these people: good, honest and hard-working but we simply cannot go on accommodating more and more people in this tiny land of ours!- Andrew H , Exmouth, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 13:22..........True but you'll find like the Republicans your up against not only a hostile liberal media but a large section of the country who would rather vote themselves more welfare and Labor back into power.you see its far easier for them to gain power by promising the gullible something they know the country can't afford then you trying to get them to face reality.
It works both ways. I was made redundant in November 2011 after 24 years as a Customs Officer. When those 5,000 jobs were cut in UKBA an enormous amount of extremely well trained and experienced staff went out the door. We had all started in Customs & Excise which was a world away from the mess that is UKBA. I realised that Britain had absolutely no job opportunities to offer me. I was only 43 and I didn't want to be going from temping job to temping job. I informed in no uncertain terms that I wasn't entitled to any benefits either. So I left. I am now happily living and working in Prague. I feel far more valued here than in the UK. One of the great benefits of the EU is that you can live and work anywhere in it. I am very grateful to have had the opportunity to start a new life here. If Britain took time to value its own people first then we might not have this situation. As it is, thousands leave each year and most of us vow to never return.
people that want to be there , are already thre , just don;t pay any tax now, now they will legalize
Tony Blair and the Labour Party have a lot answer for..!!!!!!
Stu Pidd Nice to see you living up to your name .
Now tell us where and to what level this is reciprocated within the EU. It is one-way traffic Hundreds of thousands of british nationals have no great desire to move to many other EU states. And if they did, they would be self supporting and would not expect (or want) to be wet nursed. As most other EU states are Net Recipients, we are paying for them there and we are paying for them here.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12 Is this real? Please confirm! Who is organising it?
most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton / Those who have a good education and skills can usually achieve a higher standard of living in their home countries anyway (a fact of life everywhere). It is the uneducated ones who tend to move because they know they can earn far more or receive benefits well exceeding anything they'd get back home. That's the bottom line truth. Do you really want the majority of people in Britain to be like that? A glorified third world nation?
And how many from Pakistan,India andChina.at least a lot of the Europeans come here to work,not live off benefits.
Mass immigration to an extent which is now too great to ignore has not come about by accident or by oversight. It has been a deliberate policy, callously implemented without regard to the capacity limits of our schools, hospitals and social services. It is an instrument of the globalists' programme to eliminate national identities that has been put into efffect by our Quisling politicians. They fully intend to destroy the historic population mix of these islands; in large parts of the country they have already succeeded.
I would send them and many more back home, that would reduce the benefit bill and make for an easier budget
Even harder than you yourself,BumersonDent? Shame on you!
This is a disgrace do not let them in
Funny isn't it the amount of red arrows someone will get for pointing out that a lot of EU immigrants actually work, pay tax and NI in to the system, yet there are a lot of home grown people who do not work and receive handouts? Yet no one seems to mind them? If someone works then they are contributing to schools, hospitals etc, someone who doesn't work contributes absolutely nothing. The only solution is a cap on immigration and people coming to the UK have to have a job. And our own people should receive cuts in benefits if they do not want to work.
that will happen only in the begining , after many of them will come back in home countries. Many people who will arrive in UK don't realy know what can expect there, the wage there is so bigger then in uk but in bulgaria and romania one box of cigarets is 2e , the beer is 2 euro , so less salary less expencess. the life in these countries is not so bad, the most have his own propreties, no rents to be paid. Here is just one problem Uk should change the system to don't be so easy foreigners to take benefits , and who's for work will work who's for just taking benefits will back home. and there is other prob , they are 7y. in eu , till now they should make their wages bigger . I'm bulgarian I live in macedonia , and im going london 3 times in year , i love London , but for me life is so easier here i will never move there
should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.- Fatherofthree, Belfast / Belfast would simply not be big enough and I don't think your fellow countrymen would be very happy handing over the rest of Northern Ireland either. Still it's the thought that counts and I'm sure the millions heading over will be reassured that the best place to head for is Belfast. Not to mention native Brits in England, Scotland, and Wales.
Is that one million that we know of !!!!!
The UK is DYING, if anyone has at least one intelligent brain cell then vote UKIP !
No wonder the green thumb comments are from the north. All lazy sitting on you backside doing nothing but moaning and complaining about who does what and who has what. Move on with your life and try to turn it around from miserable to something interesting, you will be better off. It makes feel nausea when I hear you talking on behalf of the taxpayers whereas we know you pay peanuts in comparison with London who is keeping you up. I am able to say that because I am from London and I pay £20000 a year off my salary.
Bye Bye Britain,
I can tell you that these figures are wrong anyway. There is more than 155 000 Romanians and Bulgarians in UK right now. Way more. I can't see another so called wave of immigration coming over here. Its not the 70's, we live in civilized world with open commonwealth market and UK is a part of the EU. It's market, people are coming and going. UK Government should be more concerned about the number of single mum's, the number of hooded uneducated youngsters and the number of children in an normal Muslim families. These are the figures that all British people should be worried about, not the number of immigrants that may come but also my not. Because simply whoever wanted to be here from Romania and Bulgaria is already here and works and pays taxes. There is urgent need of correction in the benefit system. Nobody from these countries must be given nothing until they are proven good taxpayer and citizen. Then the problem isn't that big, is it?
There is also a visa liberalisation process that has progressed quite some way with Turkey. So even if Turkey does not join the EU (earliest date 2023) long before this it is likely that 73 million people may have access to the EU via the labour market.
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing - salerio, horsham, 5/12/2012 12:46------------------------- What planet are you on? We have 3 million unemployed people in this country the majority of which want to work, are hardworking and have a get-up-and-go attitude and are ashamed to be on benefits. How many jobs would be created for BRITISH people if all EU citizens left the UK? We as a country can not afford to carry on paying to house, medically treat or support all comer's from the EU. We are rapidly running out of resources and it will get worse as we allow more people to come here.
Vote Official Monster Raving Loony Party to end this madness.
Today, Bulgaria and Romania, tomorrow T u r k e y, hold tight
what have these people brough to this counrty other than crime and begging...
Stu Pidd -- you're a muppet - pity we can't get rid of you!
Re; And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton If that is true then why are they all fleeing their own failed Countries surely if they are so skilled, clever and hard working then their would be no need to bail out on their own Country to come to the Promised land England?.
A brilliant comparison "Kilnpit-Anchor" , Conset (12.47)....we acquire thousands of penniless, illiterate, individuals, the majority of whom will demand thousands of pounds of benefit payments from the UK taxpayer annually while Spain, Austrailia etc acquire self-sustaining skilled workers or retirees with pensions to spend. You're not a Labour politician by any chance, are you?
If you want to move to other parts of the EU they impose restrictions, so why can't we? Most EU countries have a requirement for newcomers to register their presence when they arrive, so at least they know who's come. Most countries don't give free healthcare to all, you have to pay into the system to get anything out (e.g. France, Spain, Cyprus etc). Cyprus says even EU members can't live there unless they can support themselves (I'm sure other countries do too). Why does only the UK follow the diktats of the EUSSR? No wonder we are a scum magnet for the rest of Europe .
Re: Our politicians are to blame for this mess. Is there something sinister going on in the corridors of power? - Ray Smith , Nottingham, 05/12/2012 13:29 Absolutely!.
There is one word I'll use to describe our country now, it begins with F and ends in ed.
Can we get that Berlin Wall back up please! We'll come over and rebuild it ourselves. We have an abundance of tradesmen here whose jobs have been stolen by Poles!!!
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?- True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 - - - I would attend. ------------------------- If this is real I would attend too and I know many other who would and they'd protest peacefully.
Our politicians are to blame for this mess. Is there something sinister going on in the corridors of power?
Surely we the British people must be entitled a a vote about staying in the EU. Watch out Labour/Lib Dem and Conservative this gives UKIP more seats and as they are the only party that are prepared to do anything about this disgrace then they deserve all the votes they get.
WE DO NOT NEED MORE HOUSES, WE NEED LESS PEOPLE - Peddlin Pete, Hull, 5/12/2012 12:40>>>>>>>>>> Particularly less British pensioners and less British benefit scroungers.
UKIP is our only hope. There's nothing wrong with these people: good, honest and hard-working but we simply cannot go on accommodating more and more people in this tiny land of ours!
Tick, tick, tick, BOOM.
For goodness sake why don't the Politicians acknowledge what has to be done in a time of crisis? if they can't work it out - just listen to the instructions from any airline "In the event of an emergency, fasten your OWN seat belt, before you fasten any dependants travelling with you" Well Politicians, the world is in free fall - so buckle up, close our borders and get ourselves right first, because if we crash land there will be no need for you lot!
No British Government has ever been given Consent to Join the EU therefore our involvement is ILLEGAL !
UK is finished if this gov let all these people in
"And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton
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You have already admitted that you are not from this country - so what does it have to do with you anyway???"
The East Europeans are not like us. They work hard and save their money. They are showing us British shirkers up. They must GO!
Tomorrow Romania and Bulgaria, the day after Turkey, be prepared
This is Britain's role in the EU. Open borders, sign posts to GB, idiots ready to give them whatever they like. Other countries in EU happy to have GB dealing with the problems of 'their' open door policy. All the social problems we have had for many decades have been exacerbated by the irresponsible open borders policy. Our politicians are such cowards. They talk about how the benefits system has effectively infantilised people and made them dependant on the state, but are unable to see that membership of the EU has infantilised our politicians and high up civil servants, to the extent that they are literally unable to make any decisions based on what is good for OUR country and OUR people. Ours is a small country. We are going under for many reasons, but this is the biggest betrayal trust. This is a fine revenge for Germany and France, no bombs, just an endless mass of people to sink us Cowards, hiding behind the EU.
British benefits and council houses for BRITISH benefit scroungers.
It has been a benefit in my opinion , I have just built an extension using polish builders , much cheaper and better quality than British builders I have used before . Also , a place like Brighton would grind to a halt if we could not employ Eastern Europeans to work in the hospitality and care sectors .
- sootyjack, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:55. I suspect you are right my friend. They know exactly what they are doing. The more Brussels and Westminster flood us with European immigrants, the less likely we are to win a Referendum to get us ou
And after the Romanians and Bulgarians come the Turks, get ready
Why not deny access to NHS/ welfare for everyone that hasn't paid taxes for in the previous 5 years of at least 100k? Hell, why not make it 10 years? Immigrants can use private insurance and if they come here to work, there's no need for welfare, right? I'll put my money where my mouth is and vote for that! Of course, it's only fair that if they're not getting NHS/welfare, they shouldn't be taxed for it, right? That shouldn't matter though, since as we all know they only come here for NHS and pay no tax, the treasury will have a net gain, won't they?
There might be 1m Eastern Europeans living in the UK, but do readers know that over 1m left for Spain, and 1.2m for Australia in the last 12 years. Most of the eastern Europeans I have met have been hard working, intelligent and entrepreneurial - more than I can say for a lot of the indigenous population.
this is total madness allowing these people here. how dare these idiots in power treat our country like this. we want out of the EU now. not promises in five years time now .and the only party that will do that is ukip NOW FOR OUR COUNTRY SAKE VOTE THEM IN
Surely you can take more in? Give them a house, furnish it, give them a car, then pay them a wage (the dole) for their working life and finally put them in a care home (all paid for), plus free medical when they want it. Can't understand why they all head for the UK...can you? - Bob le Bulder, France, 5/12/2012 12:45 Hello Bob le Builder......blame our politicians, they keep telling everybody that we are the best country in the world, for a futher confirmation of it see also London 2012, can't say anymore.
this is total madness allowing these people here. how dare these idiots in power treat our country like this. we want out of the EU now. not promises in five years time now .and the only party that will do that is ukip NOW FOR OUR COUNTRY SAKE VOTE THEM IN
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing - salerio , horsham, 05/12/2012 12:46 ....... Yeh right, the high streets of Towns and cities in the UK are really crying out for yet more Off licences selling cheap vodka and in some cases illigal bootleg alchol. As for entrepeneurial skills, we have no shortage of home grown people with those tallents, 3 million unemployed, and University graduates stacking shelves at tescos. The only people who want to keep upping the population are business's and governments, who want as many people as possible to exploit and tax. Most sane people want the population redused greatly
Britain for the British! This is what we say in Spain, France, Italy, Thailand...
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?- True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 - - - I would attend.
Don't just say - "We should get out the EU now" - that will get you nowhere - it's like pleading to be let out. You don't have to "plead" with anybody .... "you act" - you vote for UKIP.... and get ALL of us OUT. Never (ever) plead - never beg - never ask ..... YOU ACT.... with an unstoppable and - determined vengeance... and it happens.
with the economy in such a state and cuts everywhere how can we possibly afford to take more people living on our overgenerous benefits system. EU membership is an unmitigated disaster for the UK. UKIP all the way for me!
Some comments suggest that those at the top don't know what is going on - it is my opinion that THEY DO, but the situation carries on because they GAIN FROM IT. While they are voted back in nothing is going to change.
It's not helping this sort of reporting ...
Some comments suggest that those at the top don't know what is going on - it is my opinion that THEY DO, but the situation carries on because they GAIN FROM IT. While they are voted back in nothing is going to change.
Thanks Labour for opening the floodgates.............
We have a Czech in our office and he works the hardest by far. - BumersonDent , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 12:19..........................Says a lot about you!
Folks, if You voted for this mob then You have no right to complain.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 10:03.........................That's similar to saying if you buy a new fridge and it is faulty you have no right to complain. How do you know it is faulty before you get it home?
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For LG Berkshire: ...Simple really....they want to work....ours do not. - David, Stansted, 5/12/2012 9:05 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ They want to work, but they don't want to pay tax and they do want to send money 'home' to their relatives. They live here for the money, not out of a desire to live in the UK. If they come here to work that is fine with me, but they should pay the right amount of tax, they should not be entitled to benefits and they should have a limit on how much they can send 'home'.
The problem with this whole EU debate is that WE the public are never told the plus or minus side of being in the EU so we can never make an educated guess as to what we should do.. but SOMETHING needs to be done, and quick !!!
I will be voting UKIP.
Equally I'm sure there's a huge amount of Spaniards,French and Australians etc,who wish that Brits would clear off from their countries too.........(and who could blame them??)
Change the rules on claiming welfare NOW. Or not only shall we be bankrupt shortly, we shall be unable to feed either ourselves or them.
So do all these migrants have a good work ethic then? I ask this because we seem to be importing scroungers now and their are still people who claim eastern europeans are good for the economy whilst ignoring the correlation between migration and unemployment figures
Why bother learning English whem you live in an Eastern European enclave in the UK. Much the same as large parts of your inner cities where the main spoken languages are from the Indian sub continent. It seems like your government does not give a damn whilst you are just expected to conform and shut up.
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing
Sometimes I really hate how racist and xenaphobic the people can be. and they will claim they are not racist. but their behaviour is appalling. who cares if they were born here or not. we would ruin their lives to send them back. some of the comments are sickening, who are you to write these things about eastern Europeans in general? the majority will help our countries economy as efficiently as you. their countries are losing out on their working age citizens and their country is suffering a brain drain and we are benefiting from them. I am proud our country has the benefit system the housing system NHS and in Scotland free education. its what makes this country so much more appealing to live in than others. if I lose my job the state will help me feed myself and my son. heaven forbid I find myself homeless the state will house me and my son. if my son or I get ill the NHS will heal us. I live in Scotland therefore my prescriptions are free and I have enrolled in university for free.
So people who work hard and pay taxes shouldn't be allowed into the UK? The majority aren't hear to claim benefits, that's obviously the God given right of people who are born here and don't want to work or contribute anything to society. Do you honestly believe people travel hundreds of miles to come to the "promised land" of Great Britain and claim benefits? Do you think people in Easter Europe live in wooden huts hunting wild boar, dreaming of living in a council estate? If only Brits had the same work ethic as some of the people coming here.
Well, you did vote in Labour 3 times, this is the consequence !! -- - mindblower , perth, 05/12/2012 12:30 -- I have never voted labour in my life.
Harder even than you,BumerstoneDent?..Shame on you,you are letting us BRITISH down!
Surely you can take more in? Give them a house, furnish it, give them a car, then pay them a wage (the dole) for their working life and finally put them in a care home (all paid for), plus free medical when they want it. Can't understand why they all head for the UK...can you?
@ vman London Funny how Brits work the longest hours in Europe, but yeah you keep peddling that loony left lie about work shy Brits.
What a bunch of morons commenting and refering to themselves as "White British". What do you think you are, a dog breed? Your father was Irish, your mum is German. Aunty is Dutch. Get it: People are people regardless where they are from. People pay taxes? Yes? Then end of the problem. Problems come from POLITICIANS not dealing with issues quickly enough, not with individuals that come over here. Personally, being Spain, I am tired of British complaining. I pay my taxes (nearly 500 pounds a month), for you, for your hospitals, for your so so useful Royals and for the impossible roads you have. I didn't cost you a penny: I came here with my PhD under my arm and my experience. I make rich British investors, and that is how you say thank you? The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far.
We must come OUTof the EU NOW and send home all illegal immigrants NOW
I am sick to death of reading articles like this. These immigrants have not contributed to the tax system in any way so should not be allowed benefits till they have at least 3-5 years of tax contributions depending on earnings, they should also have to pay privately for healthcare and dentistry while they are here for a number of years. If they cannot afford to do this then they should not be allowed to enter the country - period!. Any who do arrive here and do not conform to the law should be deported immediately along with the rest of their families. Im beginning to utterly detest this country i really am.
Please people vote UKIP, or this country will sink into oblivion!
This makes me sick to the foot of my stomach , and the people who opened the doors and practically ruined the country MUST be held accountable . - Jako , Glasgow, 05/12/2012 12:16-----------------Your grasp of economics is clearly matched only by your grasp of anatomy.
One word. UKIP
How many men and women have died these last few thousand years defending our shores from invasion? Now Blair and Brown have opened our borders for entry and give them houses and benefits! Well Mr. Blair/Brown when will you apologise to all those who died against the Romans/Vikings/French and Germans for nothing? A greater crime there cannot be! ..... and in Browns, case just for votes. I feel sick; especially as I believe the vast part of the British population agrees with me. Hurry up UKIP!
WE DO NOT NEED MORE HOUSES, WE NEED LESS PEOPLE
If you're worried about someone taking your job who a) doesn't speak the language as well as you and b) hasn't had the same privileged chance at education as you, then you only have yourself to blame. - Simon Heffer, On the veranda, 5/12/2012 8:45.......................... Not if the employment agency is run by, or exclusively staffed by foreigners, as many are nowadays, where it is quite possiblly the case you will be overlooked for a vacancy based on your nationality, assumedly based on the common assumption that all 'Brits are lazy'. Yet another heinous bi-product of the previous governments great social engineering project, perpetuated by their followers who persist on trotting out this falsehood to make themselves feel better about contributing to the death of this once great nation. Many refuse to accept that Britons can be discriminated against in their own job market, but they most certainly are.
Right, time is nigh for a rebellion!
We do we need any more of those who have nothing to offer this country and only come here with selfish intentions to gain benefit - especailly those from the EU who we cannot prevent from entering. Another reason why we need to get out of the EU.. We do need selected top rank business people from elsewhere and others with similar talents to enable this country to flourish.
And the rich will get richer as under 1% of the population own 70% of the land, something you expect from a third world dictatorship -- an absolute disgrace in a modern educated country. I urge everyone to read "Who Owns Britain" by Kevin Cahill, it will open your eyes
What a comical article. So 98.5% have not moved here. 66 out of 67 are not living here. Talk about inciting racial hatred but DM readers live for that.
Nick Bowles needs to get his act together. We do not want any more foreigners settling here.They have already caused the biggest problems ever to this country.They have contributed nothing to the UK,and so many have put our own people out of work,and also scrounged money off this government. If they want to come here,they should have at least £50,000 in the bank account,and also have a skilled jon to go to immediately.They should also be told there is only private accommodation here for them,and they will have to pay from their own pocket.
George from Middlesborough...Absolutely Correct....and since they will all be multiplying ( even at this very moment ) its time for the British people to take a firm stand.... .Let's see queues of electors outside their M.P.s surgeries,each telling them WE DON'T ACCEPT THIS SITUATION...and,for all you UKIP supporters,I shall be voting... BNP!
Hello is anyone in charge of the UK? Hello anyone there? Sorry I can't hear anything? Does anyone know what is going in? Oh I give up!!
The E.U. open border policy is destroying the U.K. and our political leaders are doing nothing to protect this country or our people.The majority of people want out of this madness and Cameron does nothing, his weasel words are worthless it's time for the rank and file members of the conservative party to tell their M.P.'s to dump him before it's too late.
This is unbelievable.We should get out of the EU now. What a betrayal of those who fought and died in the war.
Bet none of them live in Oxford, where Cameron resides though.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?
The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. - John of Warrington , Cheshire, 05/12/2012 11:31 ........................ sorry that should read "expect serious debate elsewhere, as all you get here is scaremongering, made-up statistics and lies".
A sad case of double standards here,at least the vast majority of these migrants actually contribute something to the UK economy (amazing how hundreds of thousands can find the jobs that our lazy parasite level bums cannot). I don't hear many commenting upon our "migrants" who settle in Spain/France/Australia,how wrong that is? All they seem to wish to do is create sad little ex-pat cliques,congregating amongst themselves and not even bothering to integrate with the natives of the aforementioned countries they choose to live in.If where you now reside is so great,haven't you got anything better to do than to go onto UK newspapers online websites? On a separate note,to follow my comment at 9:02, I'm pleased to report to all of you who knock these people,that our business has thrived thanksin no small part, to their efforts,they're a fine advertisement for anyone considering employing one,I would very highly recommend them to you over most of our own...
Well, you did vote in Labour 3 times, this is the consequence !!
The country is full as it is! This madness has to stop!
And THIS just shows that this lot have NO forward thinking.------ There is far to much FLOODING and IF this lot ARE concerned then they woiud see that the MORE GROUND THAT IS COVERED THE MORE FLOODING THERE WILL BE because the water has NOWHHERE to drain into.-- Even a child at school can see this YET this lot can NOT .------So much for their Brains.------ It is long past the time that we PUT up the barriers NO MORE scroungers .-- They put nothing in but expect everthing for nothing and the includes the NHS AND this lot GIVE it to them PLUS a LOT more
Get us out of the EU and the ECHR and get rid of these immigrants. We were never asked if we wanted them here and now they are here our country cannot cope. No benefits for immigrants unlesss they have worked for at least 5 years, only accept immgrants if they have a legiimate work permit and the company must prove that a UK worker could not do the job. I am sick of this and the last government pandering to the EU and their insane laws and regulations. They will not be happy until Britain is on its knees. Get us out.
Everyone has priority over us Brits, "2 World Wars" so what ? Don't expect gratitude from this new influx either, its their right to housing and benefits......20 years of PC madness has enshrined that, the only ones benefiting are Human Rights Lawyers etc
15 million people died in two world wars to keep this country free, Succesive govenments are insulting their memory, I can only imagine there disgust.
Immigration is an issue but this is sensationalist reporting at its worst / best. Saying something may happen and it actually happening are two separate things. There are plenty of areas left to develop before the countryside comes under threat. This is pure scaremongering, pandering to the xenophobic who's knowledge is gleamed from the DM and the DM only.
so thats why there are no jobs for youngsters here. This country is now the cesspit of the world, any rubbish seems welcome here. Britain RIP
Are their that many 'big issue' seller jobs available?
We have enough! This needs to stop! It's really quite embarrasing.
Out of 2.24 million EU immigrants, 1 million are from the A8, which means that the majority of these EU immigrants AREN'T from the A8, but are instead from other EU nations such as Spain, Italy, France, Germany and Ireland. Why is no one is complaining about those guys? Especially when their own columnist says that people from the A8 "[they] have been praised for their strong work ethic" and "filled roles the UK's jobless would not do"?
What a joke - enough is enough we are full!
Just what will it take to say enough is enough. There is now a growing resentment in this country to mass immigration, not because people are racists or any other stupid labels people want to put on it, but because people are getting worried as to what will happen to this country in the future. There are not enough jobs, homes, school places, dentists, doctors, or hospital beds to help everyone, and most people are getting sick and tired of seeing their taxes going to help people who paid little or nothing in to system. I feel sorry for people with Kids, how are they ever going to find work when all jobs are being snapped up by people arriving in this country. It's not right. If we keep accepting people in to this country at the current rate, something will eventually have to give. It's absolutely crazy. Government needs to wake up or we all need to vote collectively and get out of Europe because that is the only way we can halt immigration to allow things to settle down.
We have a Czech in our office and he works the hardest by far.
Out of 2.24 million EU immigrants, 1 million are from the A8, which means that the majority of these EU immigrants AREN'T from the A8, but are instead from other EU nations such as Spain, Italy, France, Germany and Ireland. Why is no one is complaining about those guys? Especially when their own columnist says that people from the A8 "[they] have been praised for their strong work ethic" and "filled roles the UK's jobless would not do"?
We can't even house our own citizens, let alone a million outsiders. This will finish off the UK for good. Is there a plot to destroy this country or what? It really is a crime, but not as big a crime as keeping quiet and letting it all just happen. It looks like the sleeping lion is actually dead. RIP UK. - Punched, Manchester, 5/12/2012 11:47 Yes there is a plot and it has been going on for years. The socialists have long dreamed of the day when Britain can be consigned to the rubbish bin of history. All the main parties are now shades of the Liberal Left, so don't expect any help there.
And 70million Turks have their bags packed and are waiting for the wink from Call Me Dave.
Most sensible countries would put up a sign saying, 'SORRY, WE'RE FULL', bolt the door and leave it at that. Why don't we?
"Most of them work hard and pay taxes" Really? Tell that to the Polish lads who tried to steal my boyfriend's tools from the back of his van right outside where he was working. When he chased after them and threw his tape measure through their car back window the Police said they could do him for criminal damage! What is happening to this country?! This is an ISLAND! Too many people here ripping us off and bringing down wages and quality of building work. UKIP all the way.
".....................And allowed to VOTE on what will conveniently be called "EU-relevant issues" they may be enough to swing a referendum on Britain remaining within the EU or getting the hell out of it. That is IS WHY they are encouraged by both Brussels AND our own "government" to come here.- Old Robert, Worcester UK, 5/12/2012 11:20" SPOT ON! I am against what the EU stands for and I am a UKIP supporter/voter; however, I also FIRMLY believe that in the event that LibLabCon DID give us a simple 'In/Out' Referendum, I am sadly certain that the result - genuine or otherwise! - would be 'In'. The demographics of this country have been changed by unfettered immigration to one of a definite left-leaning. Those that come here with no intention of ever working or contributing to the system will not vote anything other than Labour.
Take in your washing and lock the doors!!!
you mean 20 million
This makes me sick to the foot of my stomach , and the people who opened the doors and practically ruined the country MUST be held accountable .
AND ALL CLAIMING BENEFITS FOR WHICH WE ARE PAYING FOR. THIS SIMPLY CANNOT BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER. ENGLAND HAS BECOME THE WORLDS DUMPING GROUND.
Think this is an advertisment .HOWEVER ,IF THATS WHAT IT IS THEN WE WILL VOTE OUT OF THE EU RATHER THAN A CHANGE IN RULES .
Romanians are a Latin nation and everyone who migrated already is in Italy or Spain so stop whining. Your lovely greenery won't be invaded by hordes of angry Eastern Europeans. On a more serious note, please think about how the politicians are using your fears to gain some votes while diverting your attention from the real issue - your economy is dying while you worry about some people 2500 miles away.
The LibDem plan to allow unrestricted street trading and door-to-door selling is now explained. There are no real jobs here for a new influx, so the LibDems cunning plan will allow these people free rein to earn wherever they can. Great Britain. THE END.
So people who work hard and pay taxes shouldn't be allowed into the UK? The majority aren't hear to claim benefits, that's obviously the God given right of people who are born here and don't want to work or contribute anything to society. Do you honestly believe people travel hundreds of miles to come to the "promised land" of Great Britain and claim benefits? Do you think people in Easter Europe live in wooden huts hunting wild boar, dreaming of living in a council estate? If only Brits had the same work ethic as some of the people coming here.
Serves the tories right, they will soon start 'bleating' about mass migration when their lovely green belt areas are buit on with social housing projects. Tell you what tory party, how about our promised vote on europe? I'm voting UKIP in the next election, it seems to be the only party left that puts this country first.
All on benefits & those that work are on minimum wage with tax credits, housing benefits & child benefits!!!! Absolute disgrace - UKIP please, urgently...
It's no good asking the Home Office how many new immigrants will arrive as they won't have a clue and any figure they do give will be hopelessly wrong. Just look around at our cities, towns and villages and see how the previous estimate of Eastern European immigrants was way off the mark.
Thanks to politicians who pay absolutely no heed to the people they are supposed to represent, of whom poll after poll shows that they are against the levels of immigration we are being forced to put up with - this is going to end one way and one way only - violently. Very violently. And the idiots who keep trotting out the same tired old rubbish that anyone who isn't a huge fan of immigration is a racist or a xenophobe are just as much to blame since it is their attitude that has stopped any debate over the issue. Now, it is too late.
Come here with nothing then stave - no benefits for non Brits. No access to NHS services. No access to housing etc. The ONLY thing they should get free from us is a single ticket back to where they come from. Watch them leave like the rats they are.
Home office and UK government were busy to restrict non European immigrants but to be honest European people actually damaging UK social life as well as job market. Also they are easily able to access British benefit system!!! But remember benefit system is really hard for non European people so now we should stop blaming non European people. It's actually east European people taking lead of British benefit system. In job centre plus you can see there are loads European people looking for job seeker allowance. I am a student paying £9000 cash to my university every year and already paid £27000 (dads money) in total but look at European people they pay only home fees and have access to apply for finance. Home office should restrict them right now otherwise UK will no more for British people.
This all makes me so angry! Why has someone allowed our country to get ruined? No turning back now and its only going to get worse
Seem to be wasting my time.... Nothing I comment on is getting printed/shown. I must be telling the truth.
As soon as I open my mouth on this subject,I am either censored or red arrowed,nevertheless you can't get away from the facts.The Eu and several goverments(Labour being the worse)have totally altered the face of Britain,England especially,whether you like it or not,this is tantamount to social engineering at best,at worst it amounts to ethnic cleansing.The Majority of people did not ask,nor want immigration on such a huge scale,the problems it has brought,far outweigh the positive aspects.We cannot cope with the impact it has had on,housing,schools,health and law and order,those who disagree are either Eu sycophants,or live in a parallel world,either way,we must find a solution before those these policies have left behind,ie the indigenous population,decide enough is enough and bring rebellion to our streets,don't like the truth,tough,because it is not going to go away.
One answer - vote UKIP.
A great deal of comments on here are written by people who are simply limited and ignorant. Check out the latest figures on how much it's been contributed to the British economy by immigrants and how much it's been taken out! The difference is significant! We contribute much more in tax than you might think. And this has became a trend now. Spare some time and look into it in greater detail. The results year by year are astonishing. It's just so easy to complain!
And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) .
this needs to stop, why can't they stop this
James Slack - you are a total idiot.
All people should only come if they have a job. In indian British my parents came here 35 years ago been paying tax all their life. For people to come here. And take handouts discust me - asina , London, 05/12/2012 11:38 ... So, you might have lived here for 35 years, and you still can't type or spell english?
And most of them work hard and pay taxes... by doing the jobs which lazy british dont want to do...- tarun145 , london, 05/12/2012 11:53 Absolute rubbish
Lets take a lesson from Egypt and Tunisia and bring Britain to a standstill until 1: We get a referendum, 2: Overseas aid is stopped, 3: Our borders controlled, 4: The people of Britain are put first. Our hard fought rights and sovereignty have been flushed down the toilet and I have no idea what for. The brave who fell in the wars have been betrayed, we owe it to them to take our country back.
Increased urbanisation on this scale will destroy our quality of life!
Worth reading the Leverson Report before you believe this. The Daily Mail got panned for completely making up anti-immigration stories. You are being lied to in order to feed your bigotry.
It's not the immigrants that are to blame - it's the politicains who allowed all this to happen.
get out of EU and kick them out . claim your country back from the imbeciles.
1 million,what did liebour say 50ooo? They are here for one reason,everthing is free to them. But its not free,we pay for it and now we cant use it because all the money is gone. So who is at fault? And what do we do to stop it? Whilst in the EU we cant,so there is only one answer. Our MPs seem reluctant to leave the EU,it costs a fortune and drains money like a bucket with no bottom so why dont they want us to leave,its certainly not for our good to stay. Troughs and snouts in,is the short and only answer. Anyone have any better reasons? Vote UKIP.
If only more political concern and assistance was shown towards the increasing number of home grown nationals living on the streets of major cities, and those unable to secure housing. Perhaps then emigrating to the UK may not be so attractive if some sort of priority was established. (Dream on, not likely to happen I know)
1 million TRY MORE LIKE 2-3 MILLION..EVERYWHERE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER!!!!
Lets take a lesson from the Arab Spring and bring Britain to a standstill until 1: We get a referendum, 2: Overseas aid is stopped, 3: Immigration is controlled, 4: The people of Britain are put first. Our hard fought rights and sovereignty have been flushed down the toilet and I have no idea what for. The brave who fell in the wars have been betrayed, we owe it to them to take our country back.
GOD NO, NOT MORE......we must find a way to stop the pillage of Britain and breeding out of its people. Tony Blair and the treacherous left in their trendy gated communities must be so happy watching working class Brits getting shafted.....we need to do something about this anti-British, stinking sinking EU suicide pact....before its too late...
KristyV London 1131 Quite right, and if all the Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians etc. etc. were doing the same, i.e. providing their own houses and claiming benefits from their own countries there wouldn't be a problem. But they're not are they?
this is the madness that our politicians have signed up to since joining the EU. the madness goes on and on and is leading ordinary people to financial disaster.we need to be saved from the MAD POLITICIANS
Just wait for the figures next December and not taking into account the number of illegals and asylum seekers here and who will get the new houses first?.
How the Tory Party will win the next election by a landslide is to promise within one month a referendum on membership of the European Community and a complete moratorium on migration from the member states
The Conservative Government have no chance of being re-elected for allowing this state of affairs to continue. It is about time they woke up - forget the Big Society and concentrate on the dangers of unrestricted immigration.
What right have these idiots got to give away OUR country. Has it never occured to them that some of us still care about OUR country. We don't need any more scroungers arriving in OUR country. The Tory party will never see government as a major player fo decades. UKIP seem to be the only ones that care.
We just have to vote UKIP next time. It is a simple as that, hopefully.
Britain WILL be inundated with Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants because Brits are EASY pickings!!
It just gets worse and worse. These loonies that call themselves a government will do absolutely nothing to help the indigenous people of this country - vote UKIP!
Looking forward to Turkey joining so as their all in it together and stand back and watch the balkans all over again .Then we will all come for you in Gov. Better start spending your money on security guards for your homes.LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO FREDS HOUSE FOR A LOT LESS
And most of them work hard and pay taxes... by doing the jobs which lazy british dont want to do...
The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. - John of Warrington , Cheshire, 05/12/2012 11:31>>>>>>>> I've just spat out a mouthful of coffee! You should take up a career as a comedian, John.
Nvm extra taxes to pay for housing and health care.
Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke, Croydon, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 10:51-------------In which case it follows that those members are either unaware, or have no issue with the fact that Labour and the Union leadership are idealogically committed to multiculturalism. Therefore - tough.
It's Simple. If you want to live here then fine, but you are NOT entitled to benefits, heathcare or housing unless you are in employment. This should also be back dated to get rid of the paracites that immagration has attracted.
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)- alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 9:56 - - - - - - Yes, but the vast majority are not dependant on benefits. They are retirees who support themselves with their pensions. They bring money into the Spanish economy, they don't suck the system dry.
Get out if you can. We did , best move we made, and we,ve integrated into our "new life" joining our little community with out trying to change it, GB is finished as we knew it, thanks to our stupid short sighted politicians.!
We immigrated to Australia a British Commonwealth Country in the 50's - we immigrated for my Father to get out of the Mines we where health checked before entry into Australian waters, my parents had to fund themselves in accommodation and FUND it My Father worked as a bus conductor then he went caol mining again we came home after 21 months due to my illness we paid our own fare home, mt parents paid for a visit from the doctor to me twice a day NO FREE Health care, now you can NOT get into Australia without a work Visa even we cant and its still in the Commonwealth which in a simple way is like us belonging to the EU.....................I voted the last lot out to help sort out this immigration mess all my vote did was pee in the wind, I think a campaign of NON payment of Council tax should commence its our council TAX that funds this mass influx of undesirables from Eastern Europe......BRING ON THE REVOLUTION!
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)- alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 9:56 - - - - - - Yes, but the vast majority are not dependant on benefits. They are retirees who support themselves with their pensions. THeyt bring money into the Spanish economy.
Hahaha........13 years of lefty socialist dictatorship followed by a limpwristed traitor to th Uk are to blame for that. Good luck UK and you wonder why the UK is almost bankrupt. Imported voters keep idiots in power,which keep the welfare bludgers where they are and keeps the ever increasing roll of immigrants coming. Look at the US he did it to keep in power and also legalising weed in tow or three states just prior to elections. There is only one chance now UKIP if that fils you are surely doomed forever.
I thought we live in a democracy
You can thank your Queen for this, she signed all the EU treaties.
We can't even house our own citizens, let alone a million outsiders. This will finish off the UK for good. Is there a plot to destroy this country or what? It really is a crime, but not as big a crime as keeping quiet and letting it all just happen. It looks like the sleeping lion is actually dead. RIP UK.
Sorry Mum and Dad,Sorry to all my uncles and aunts,my grandparents and my great grandparents who suffered hell through two world wars so that i could be free.I have allowed that hard won freedom to be taken from me with little or no fight against the agressors - cimawr, ammanford, 4/12/2012 16:45' - steady now, all the postwar generations & especially the boomers voted for this and created the intellectual climate that it was desirable, and that stigmatised all opposition as 'ignorant'. We're just the ones who (too slowly) wake up in the mess - just about the time the money runs out and the debts they ran up are about to be called in, too...
And soon we'll have millions or tens of millions more. When are our MPs going to stem the tide? We cannot keep everyone in the world for God's sake. We're bankrupt. When are our politicians going to look after the British people? Who'd have thought that our MPs would turn out to be the most treacherous influence on our nation?!
This results in money flowing out of the UK economy. They come over take jobs from Briton's and instead of spending their money here it all flows back to eastern Europe. Curbs must be put in place. - TS, Aberdeen, 5/12/2012 9:36>>>>>> And what about the millions of ex-pat pensioners living abroad spending their British pensions and winter fuel allowances in other countries?
Nu-Liebour let in 3 million immigrants, but under Nu-Liebour, house building was at its lowest since the 30's. Hence the rocketing in house prices and increased levels of stamp duty for the treasury......thanks Tony.
This has been going on for years and the Great British Public just continue to vote for same self-interested politicians year on year. No-one can claim that they don't know what is happening and I despair of my own government telling me that they are powerless to stop it. Politicians are not powerless they are spineless. Just take back our sovereignty and withdraw from the EU. Although I hate to say it, I am ashamed of a whole Nation that sits by and lets a bunch of spineless people ruin this country. This is a time for people to turn out onto the streets and make the politicians aware that things have to change. The French do it. The Italians do it, the Spanish do it, the Greeks do it and so on. But the British just sit at their computers or TV and whine. I wish I was 20 years (or perhaps 30 years) younger !
And cameron expect to be re-elected the lying waste of space no chance UKIP for me from now on. we need to shut the door and shut it now
Expect many more stories like the ones you have read where people launch racially motivated attacks on trains, buses, and just about any public place. Tension is growing, and once normally restrained people will suddenly find their pent up resentment gushing out uncontollably. It has already begun, the videos are out there, but we do not want it to happen this way. People of Britain UNITE. Let this Government know we want an end to immigration the way it currently is. Tell them in a way that they cannot fail to understand, and give them no choice but to make the necessary changes. We need a platform where we can be heard, where the length and bredth of the country can be informed of pending action, where and when it will be taking place, so everybody that wants something done can take part. I would not like to find out when it was too late that I had a chance to join in and make my feelings known, but did not know.
Aynon , One reason for the politicians doing nothing is they want a federal Europe and then one world government. Another reason is they will make a fortune on the EU gravy train for their treason to this country. They also are quite happy for the EU to rule us while they do very little for the salaries and expenses we pay them to do our bidding but just ignore us. Democracy is dead in this country. A SHAW, SCOTLAND
What about our Human Rights?????
Trust the Mail to only point out European immigrants! What about the hordes of non European ones?
The British media,especially the left wing BBC often refer to UKIP as a one trick pony.I do not agree,but even if it is true that will do for me and a large majority of the British people.Cameron ,Miliband Farage,I know who I trust the most VOTE UKIP.
Scary
Where are we getting the money to buy the new houses, schools, hospitals, roads etc - WE DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP
"That's 1.5% of the population of eight EU nations" It's also 100% of the population of Estonia and about one quarter of the population of Ireland. What's the point of that silly statistic?
"Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs. - harry hart, Cheltenham, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 11:16" True. In the UK the majority of us think we are too good for that kind of work, especially the younger generation. But it needs doing.
Wouldn't be necessary if the government grew a pair and denied benefits to any and all immigrants/foreign students/visitors for the first seven years like some other EU countries.
All people should only come if they have a job. In indian British my parents came here 35 years ago been paying tax all their life. For people to come here. And take handouts discust me
Thank You Teflon Tony for opening up the borders.
Who cares Mr Hollobone? Our economy roughly the size of France, our population is within a few million of France and yet you can fit the British Isles into France 2.5 times with room to spare. It's said that the last time the agricultural sector produced enough food to feed the population was more than eight decades ago. Those are two stats or statements that have me in the "we have enough" camp and I'm confident that you, your party or the opposition are going to do NOTHING to stem the unsustainable path we have been on for three decades.
Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke, Croydon, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 10:51 - - -- - - - - Poppy, please name me all the unions you know of that are opposed to the EU? I really would like to know. as in my experience the union members views are not taken into account and they are classed as racist if they speak out against 'official' union policy.
Britain needs it's own Glasnost as in get rid of the commies in power and replace them with democratic government.
Ive just heard of a Kazakhstan family on benefits moving into a housing trust home in Notting hill. I also found out that the father of this family has a mini cab and import and export business on the side. Hope the home office sorts it out, probably won't as they will give the excuse of too much paperwork and human rights yadda yadda. Makes me disgusted, doesn't matter what country they're from I'm disgusted that they're abusing the benefit system and illegally working without being taxed and then theyre using our public services. There needs to be stricter rules on immigration and benefits, I really think highly skilled people should be allowed first like nurses, doctors etc. And people who will actually invest back into our economy rather than cash in hand jobs, where the money gets sent home to their country helping their economy. I'm so fed up with this.
Benifits system should be like spain... unable to claim unless you've been a resident for more than 3yrs, They should also say they can't arrive unless they have a job as i have plenty of friends that have been on the housing list for well over 5yrs and still waiting as they are English!
The latest figures show the population has gone up almost 300% in my area alone. This doesn't include the rest of the city. All I see walking around here are young Eastern Europeans pushing babies along. The same is being reported in parts of Germany. Anyone else notice a trend??
So the general consensus is that Brits should be able to live in whatever country they want but only Brits should be allowed to live in the UK. GET REAL!
It is bad enough these migrants being allowed into an already overcrowded country, but to give preferential support over the indigenous population in respect of housing and jobs whilst straining already under-resourced public services is just adding insult to injury. Some common sense please before patience and tolerance run out of steam.
Osborne is releasing his autumn budget report soon and will tell us about how much more pain we will suffer with cuts in benefits and increases in tax to clear the budget deficit. He won't even look at the way migration and aid expenditure are some of the causes of this problem. Whichever way you look at it we are doomed.
they are coming over here because david cameron knows they will all vote to stay in the EU, so he will do his best to look after them.
John S. I think you will find that the majority of British living in Spain have bought their houses and are not looking for the Spanish to provide social housing or hand outs. - mogge, london, 05/12/2012 10:39 That is true, but they can also still claim British benefits while living there..... which surely can't be spent here and put back into our economy.
The credibility gap between voters and politicians is greater now than at any time in my memory. The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. The country is grossly overpopulated and there is talk of a further 10 million. The existing parties have trashed the UK and it is "fortunate" that 80% of voters take no note of what has happened in the last 15 years. The future is a worrying prospect, what is driving this scenario, what is the end game.
Immigration must be stopped for at least 10 years: we are being swamped by a tide of foreigners, and these are just the ones that the government knows about, let alone the illegals. Without them there would be no need for the massive ammount of house building that we are told that we need. Successive governments are giving away our birthright, and blighting the countryside with buildings under the pretext that many are ' affordable ' for our youngsters.Down here youngsters cannot hope to find a deposit.
Labour, Conservative and Lib Dems have all conspired on tyhis issue. Please stop putting the blame solely on Labour. I am not defending them but the Tories have been in power since May 2010 and they promised a referendum on Europe but lied to us. All three main parties are GUILTY. Vote UKIP as no other party will take us out of Europe. My hope is that the Tory MPs who want out of Europe defect to UKIP to strengthen the party and we get our wish and are able to protect what's left of our country. For the sake of our children this can't be allowed to go on.
Don't be so xenophobic. I pray to Allah they allowed to enter our land- hassan2k12, London, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 4:54.................That's a very witty post the more red arrows it gets the more fun you must be having-I gave you a red arrow just to help you along. Wish I had thought of it.
So much dissatisfaction amongst the vast majority of the population. And they STILL won't give us a referendum on EU membership. - Steve Cahill , Sandy, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 11:02 What's causing the delay on a EU Referendum. on EU Membership - Anyone know the reason???
This is a crime against humanity - and i hate to say it but our brave forces out in worn torn countries are just like the hero's of the great wars dying in vain.My granddad's mates split there guts for me and you - not to be sold down the river. I'm under threat of redundancy my boss told us straight he could get two poles for each one of us and it's legal. We need to take action against every career politician and NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think things are going to get very nasty here in Foodbankland, the politicians cannot keep taking money, houses and jobs from the working to give away without there being a reaction at some point.
Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs.- harry hart , Cheltenham, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 11:16...............They certainly do Harry and I hope you pick the turnips before you clean the bogs otherwise I am giving up stew.
The scales have finally fallen off their eyes and for the first time, paying international students (who have no recourse to public funds) are not being blamed for the rising immigration problems of the United Kingdom.
Look after yourself,the politicians don't care about any of you or the country,they live high on the hill.Avoid all taxes and rort the system as much as you can.
I will be 50 in a fortnight. I suppose that I have about 20-25 years left. Bl***Y good job as I dread the future in this country.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after..(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 ...That applies to ALL political parties alan.- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24---- Alan is spot on. It doesn't apply to all parties equally. The Tories donors are largely company directors they are very keen on keeping wages down . Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke , Croydon, ## So Tories are deflationary & Labour inflationary: business fears increased costs will depress sales, unions couldn't care less, monopoly money growing on trees: is that right? Why not go Soviet nationalise savings? Or Nazi - just take it?
So when swathes of equally precious social housing are taken over to accomodate previous post WW2 waves of immigration, that is OK, but the precious green ghettoes of the rural middle classes are sacrosanct? Togetherness, , eh? - peter north, sutton surrey, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 18:03============= Get your facts right. These guys fought for this country's freedom and many died with our lads. They came over here afterwords and helped us to rebuild our country. They EARNED their places. The current shower come in with their hands open waiting for benefits. Different!
If some of you lazy Brits moved your asses and went to work instead of living of welfare then you wouldn't have such problem. If you say the wages... then you should shut up as some wages are already so high that if not immigrants and reducing theses in certain sectors you wouldn't afford many of the things you now can. Only people with very low IQ can't understand it (yeap, most of DM readers!). Another thing, if you prefer seeing more foreigners who don't integrate with society and blow themselves up then it is your choice. And finally, come on, move your asses and back to work (don't spend time on reading newspapers) as it may solve your problems!
.....................And allowed to VOTE on what will conveniently be called "EU-relevant issues" they may be enough to swing a referendum on Britain remaining within the EU or getting the hell out of it. That is IS WHY they are encouraged by both Brussels AND our own "government" to come here.
Building more houses to accommodate new arrivals is a bit like building more roads, the faster you build them the more it encourages drivers to fill them with traffic.
I wonder how long it will take these numb nuts in power before they stop hiding behind twisted cesspit EU rules and dare say enough is enough
"- Working Man , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 10:34-----Folks, yes but did he vote for them?.......(!) - alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 10:48" Although it is NONE of your business, you Labour Troll, I voted UKIP.
vote UKIP
The UK has become the council estate of Europe.
"Slovakian women are generally gorgeous. More please ;) - Colin D, Renfrewshire, Scotland, 5/12/2012 8:58" Move to Slovakia, then. Assuming there are any native Slovakian women left there, that is.
Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs.
New World Order - it is the indiginous British who will pay the price because we don't count and the wealthy, powerful people don't care. We must fight against this for the sake of our children's futures. Please vote UKIP. The other parties are either part of the big plan or they are complete morons who should be held accountable for ruining the lives of the British population.
There is no point getting worked up and having a heart attack over this., The present and the previous Governments know what is happening they dont care. They get there cheap Labour, they get 100s of people going for the same job, they get crap wages because there is no end of people that want the jobs regardless of pay. Just sit back and wait for it all to kick off and it will when the Brits cant feed there families or feed them. The Brits take so much and then they go. We are very near braking point now.
"And there not here for the weather !!" - tommy , Denbigh, 05/12/2012 10:44 ...........................................Nor, it would seem, for the standard of education here.
end this madness now.we need to get out of the eu and close our borders
Were DOOMED, DOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I welcome them all - and so should everyone else!!
UKIP would ban foreigners from claiming benefits until they have worked and payed contributions for 5 years, then you'd see them queueing up at Dover.......
Tony Blair wanted Turkey to join the EU. Imagine that?
Half of them appear to be living in my neighbourhood alone.
And they all seem to live in my cousins street ! ( she is now considering moving )
HAS the penny only JUST dropped? We KNEW this years ago! We are in for EVEN worse times ahead!!
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world? - ann b , paris, 05/12/2012 09:23 ================ Well, such people do live in shanty towns all over Greece, for example, and northern Paris is swamped with immigrants. But neither of those countries doles out the benefits as of right, and neither do those countries print everything in 100 different languages to enable their immigrants to understand how to sponge off the system. There is nothing so politically incorrect as political correctness. It's killing our country, while other countries are able to just able to concentrate on their own, including sending them here.
I live in a small market town in Buckinghamshire which until very recently has had no immigant population whatsoever. Now you're just as likely to hear an eastern european voice in the High Street , as you are a Buckinghamshire accent. This has occured only over the last 6 - 8 years. The charactor of the town's population has changed totally, and all very quickly. This is part of the problem. The speed of change !!!! In previous history such changes have occured far more slowy, and populatons have been able to adapt in a more measured way. The rapid nature of the change is placing both native and immigrant populations under considerable stress. This is leading to tensions that this town has never experienced before. We're having outbreaks of violence (low level violence so far thankfully) between locals and the new estaern european residents, in a town where outbreaks of disorder like this were almost unknown only a short while ago .
All this hogwash about UKIP when it was treason to hand any power away, never mine enter Europe and ever leader since Teddy Heath are acting treacherously, so please folks, unless those you vote for adhere to English common law in accordance with the bill of rights, then stuff em.. ostriches.
Turkey next year happy days. When are our politicians going to realize we cannot possible take millions more without civil disorder
They keep bringing up this subject the British people have been saying this for years, and we are the very people that have to live amongst them so we are the experts on how many are here. TO many. No wonder we have no money, and have a housing shortage, etc etc. having to keep most of them that will never work.
If the same number of British people went to live in Eastern Europe would they develop large swathes of their countryside to provide homes for them? I doubt if they would disturb a single blade of grass on our account.
this will kill off anything we have left to be proud of, all i now forsee is high unemployment, homelessness and poverty for the original uk citizens, our pensioners are also in poverty after working all there lives, this country is given away and tax payers money, we are all working to pay for these outsiders and its going to get worse, i think i need to leave the uk even though its my home because i cannot afford it here anymore , nothing we say matters to the government, to them we are nothing.
Most of them will end up in the S.E. of the country, this will affect the job market & give more support to the EDL, UKIP & NF..still look on the brihgt side, plenty of opportunities to relocate over there..both Romania & Bulgaria have beautiful countryside too...but the pic of the donkey pulling the old LADA ís always a laugh
So much dissatisfaction amongst the vast majority of the population. And they STILL won't give us a referendum on EU membership.
Knowing the 3 main parties if they actually ever give us a referendum they will allow the Europeans in this country to vote, it would be like turkeys voting for xmas, not going to happen, if we ever get a vote, only British people should get the vote.
Thanx god the attention of immigration has turned to Europeans now, we use to be abused by being called names for seeking asylum, lest pple forget that our grandfathers fought for this country and our diamonds being taken in exchange of alcohol. So this are fellow Europeans why the boo hoo hoo!!
Bulgaria & Romania will join from next year. People's get ready for more thefts, burglaries, credit card frauds. Get ready for a huge wave of crime. David Cameron. We dont want anyone else from this hell called "EU" STOP this now before brits loose their patience.
UKIP UKIP UKIP!!!
You may add me too as i will be moving with my whole family (5 children) to Liverpool in 2 weeks time. Looking forward to join the generous UK welfare system and schools for my children.
England has been sold down the river by decades of corrupt, liberal-left (whatever it says on the tin) politicians intent on grabbing power in a New World Order. This is nothing short of treason. No-one in this country voted for mass immigration, multiculturalism and the dilution of English culture and if we complained we were told we were "racist" and threatened with draconian criminal charges by the liberal elite. This monstrous disservice to the English has to end. Vote UKIP, resign from the EU and the ECHR, stop all immigration and have the military guard our borders. No one in this country voted to be ruled and taxed by unelected, self-appointed, spendthrift commissars...
I really cannot read anmore articles about immigration in Britain. It just makes me sick. We are a hardwroking family, working all the hours God gives, and there is still never enough. We can't have holidays, or eat luxury food, because we cannot afford it. We run an old banger which costs the earth to tax. A few years ago, my partner was made redundant. We were evicted from our rented house as the landlord was unhappy to accept DSS. The council didn't help us. We were told to ask family membesr to give us the money for referencing and deposit to rent privately. I'm bitter about the fact the fact that you can come straight into this country and get everything handed to you on a plate, but the goverment will not help British people in genuine need. If we didn't let those in who are unable to support themselves, the jobs and housing problems would not be such an issue. I am starting to feel like the ethnic minority in my own country. It's not about racism, it's about human rights.
Plenty of brown field sites laying empty in this country so build on them first before you destroy whats left of the green belt -- also if the government gives these immigrants benefits then the government should claim it back off the countries where the claimants comes from after all we are looking after the their people .
It doesn't matter where you go - coffee bars, restaurants, shops, hospitals, care homes, building sites, shops, - East Europeans have taken over most of the unskilled jobs and even some of the skilled ones, such as in pharmacies and opticians. What chance for our young to make their way in the world, if most of their "starter" jobs are taken over by people from other countries? And what hope for our nation's finances if those same East Europeans are able to claim benefits if they lose their jobs or even if they just choose not to work and have a permanent holiday in the UK, paid for by the State? And what hope for our countryside and heritage and for our farmers if more and more land must be freed to house all these foreigners? The UK has always welcomed immigration (such as my father from Poland), but this is too much in too short a space of time. We are not the world's charity organisation. We can't take any more. No room left at the inn.
Well done BLAIR BROWN together with ALL the Labour idiots who allowed them to DESTROY our country.
This uncontrolled mass invasion of immigrants is irreversible. Once they are here you will not be able to get rid of them and we will have to deal with coast to coast concrete with pig ugly blocks of flats built all around.
- mogge , london, 05/12/2012 10:39--------Folks, mogge is right that quite a number of Brits living in Spain have their own houses although many do not contribute in any significant way to that countries finances. Also there is a significant minority who 
I've been living abroad for 10 years and on my return I notice that you've given the country away. Did it mean that little to you or was there a nice payout for a few of you? WW1 and WW2 couldn't take the place but now you've handed it over. Up to you I suppose.
Exactly how stupid are we........?
We are going down the same road as greece spain and italy its only a matter of time and that wont be far of
Even if 200 millions Bulgarians and Romanians come to UK it does not follow that new houses have to be built. The rent only will go up which will definitely deter immigration. And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants? - Vlad, Bucharest, Romania, 4/12/2012 17:28 - As there is already a housing shortage in this country, just where do you suggest these immigrants will live?
Amazing how they will build houses for immigrants and not for the indiginous of u.k but typical of this country look after everyone else instead of our own make, and furthermore we pay for them .no one gave me a council house and payed my rent so why should we have to pay theirs ukip for me this time give them a try .
All the while the pockets of the construction industry and government are lined from the proceeds of never ending housing and infrastructure demand, then it doesn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that there will never be any positive reduction in current levels of immigration and asylum. Change will only come by voting for a completely different style of government, one which is prepared think of our children's future, instead of simply fuelling a situation which is little more than a short term, quick fix, Ponzi scheme, which will ultimately end in misery for everyone.
I moved, a year ago, to Inner Mongolia in China where I work as a teacher for a large International Company. I'm from a small town in East Yorkshire that has been very quickly over-whelmed by the influx from the Baltic states and Poland. I saw from 2001 the number of immigrants build, going mainly to the many salad producers, but then the local labour agencies took up this surge to fill jobs at factories. From this I've seen a knife fight between feuding parties on a factory car-park, alcohol abuse, drink-driving, thefts, prostitution and all the offenders tried have been given ridiculous non-sentences. I know we are a blah, blah tolerant society but has anybody dared to ask what the local people think, without telling them that they are racist?? I work in China and I have to pay for everything, no benefits or subsidies, if I do anything illegal then I will face immediate deportation, unlike Britain. I'm not a member of any party or follow any politics, just dis-illusioned.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan.-------------- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24---------------- Alan is spot on. It doesn't apply to all parties equally. The Tories donors are largely company directors they are very keen on keeping wages down . Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down
This country cannot sustain anymore migrants, just look at the unemployment & benefits figures. And you are going to let more in? How do you propose to financially support them because they sure as hell won't be supporting themselves as they know how easy it is to get money for nothing here!
It's funny how these morons didn't think about things before they opened the doors to our country in a free-for-all, They have now changed our safety, our Culture, Our schooling, the NHS, so why not destroy the countryside too? Governments??? more like a den of Traitors.
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world? - ann b , paris, 05/12/2012 09:23 Because Britain was swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent people long before 2004. I guess birds of a feather flock together.
Gordon Brown got caught out when he called a lady "Bigotted" when she made her point about immigration, no doubt Calamity Clegg and his Lib Dem Cohorts feel the same way about the average taxpayer who is being squeezed from every direction with the costs both financally , socially and education wise never mind crime wise. Cameron would have no problem keeping the Tories in Power if he had the guts to stand up to Europe and Calamity Clegg and stop the massive influx. Then just stop this so called junk that the illegals and criminals use and deport, STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY , that is all we ask.
If this government lets all these people in our country it will be the end of Britain
Your comments:The indigenous population cannot grasp or more likely don¿t want to as they the thirty year olds were brought up on labours multicultural diversity twaddle which was only aimed by Labour at diluting the English middle class who they saw as Tory voters. Now we have an unholy trinity of Lab. Con and Lib who themselves are all self serving and very pro EU because it is an easier option than trying to grasp what a monumental mess they have all made of the Country.
I don't mind Eastern Europeans coming here if they work and contribute, as believe me, if we relied solely on the British we'd go under as there are so many lazy Brits (just watch programmes like The Only Way Is Essex, and Jeremy Kyle). However, if they come here and do nothing, they should be thrown out immediately.
The governments priority should be focused on their own, they should be accommodated in every way before consideration is given, except in an emergency,to any other national. The argument that all members of the EU are one nation, isn't accepted by the majority of the British people, they were never even asked their opinion re giving away British treasure. There should be no more government sponsored immigration from whatever source.
- Working Man , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 10:34-----Folks, yes but did he vote for them?.......(!)
Dont we need them to do more of the jobs that the Brits are too lazy to do and would rather have benefits than do? Also to dilute the immigrant monoculture ghettos of cheap accommodation into multicultural areas, like East London and many cities needs
So, if the problem stems from the EU, the answer is simple. If we cannot control our own borders because of the EU, we have an obvious solution available to us. The problem is that our politicians are spineless cretins that dare not annoy an unelected bunch of self serving EUrocrats that should have no say over our affairs at all. Our politicians are cowards, weak, treacherous cowards.
I despair for Britain, it's not Great anymore, and this country is not a sponge. Recently I went to concert at our local theatre, that night it was "The last night of the autumn proms" where "land of hope and glory was played, and all those well known and favourites tunes. The audience were waving there union Jack flags. and for a while I felt British again and the good old days were being played out in that auditorium. It was just so sad that at the end of the night when the concert was over, it was back to reallity and never to be repeated and have that feeling once more. What a legacy we have left for our future generations to come. Am I right or wrong readers?
And there not here for the weather !!
its all part of a bigger story,dilute and mix up the existing population so the next generation doesnt know who or what they are.all ready for the one world government.
So glad Agenda 21 has been mentioned, look it up people its the daddy to the Lisbon Treaty, Even the Tea party and Democrats are in agreement it's not an agenda for the good of the world, read between the lines and its the kind of document a few Germans would have been proud of 60 odd years ago.
- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24------Folks, the phoenix is right up to a point but it is the Tories who stand-up for the vested interests of business and in particular very big businesses who pay £millions into their coffers. As we 
People wishing to come and work in the UK should first have a place to live and a job to pay their way. It's hard enough work raising a family here without additional drains on our income from extra taxation, caused by supporting those with no moral right to be taking our money. There should be no benefits until they have worked and contributed to the system for at least 10 years. If they have no job they should go home and take the benefits that they can get in their own country. We are not providers for the world's poor, thieves, or scroungers. We already have enough home grown of those.
I am an immigrant to another EU country and I was not issued a social security number (which you need to do almost everything here) until I could show a valid EHIC card to cover my health costs and proof that I could financially support myself as I am not entitled to any benefits until I pay enough tax. I know that other EU countries, including Spain, have cracked down on immigration (I'm pretty sure the Spanish are sick of Brits retiring there and living in their own little communities, it has to be said). So, it has less to do with the EU and more to do with politicians and employers who clearly get some kind of gain from mass immigration. I know a taxi firm who post ads on European jobsites - why? Because they know they can pay them less, but still more than they'd ever earn at home. And they don't even bother to train them - had to tell one foreign driver how to get to the main train station!
Women born after 1953 will not get a state pension until they are sixty six even though they were told when they began working that it would be sixty and they paid N.I contributions and tax. Students with loans of twenty one thousand pounds pay twenty six pounds interest a month if they earn under fifteen thousand per annum which is the case for many young former students. Young people have to stay with their parents because they cannot get affordable housing and young couples who work are having to pay extortionate rents because they can't get a mortgage. When I read articles like this I almost explode with rage. The Government has to take the needs of the citizens of the UK seriously because we have had enough.
Daily, we hear politicians trot out that we need to build more houses urgently. It has been obvious for a very long time that this need is generated mainly by immigration. The curious thing is that none of the politicians ever make the link publicly while saying it. Our politicians are obviously briefed not to make the link and definitely never admit that one idiotic policy drives the need for the other. Unfortunately for our stupid politicians, we are not nearly as brain-dead as they think we are. Oh, and can anybody tell me just when we were asked if we wanted our country overpopulated to this extent, and can anyone tell me when we were asked if we wanted our country building over to accommodate this insanity? We should be protesting in the streets of London, but will we ever wake from our slumber?
We cant build on green land for our own people who are homeless or finding it difficult to get housing but we always make exceptions for foreigners dont we.
We are in a reccession we do not have a labour market.
The three main political parties wont do a thing to control immigration , frightened to death of their own shadows . Luckily UKIP are ready and waiting to get a grip of the situation . Come May 2015 you will know what to do , wont you .
its going to drain this country dry,it cannot go on,its got to stop.
Get it sorted or you will have a revolution.Idiots.
this was the deal with Tony Blair and most east European country for joining the Iraq war .
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan. - the phoenix , Brandesburton England, 05/12/2012 10:24 Ignore alan, he is a liebour troll and should not be fed.
John S. I think you will find that the majority of British living in Spain have bought their houses and are not looking for the Spanish to provide social housing or hand outs.
Real 1stbear Brighton 10:12 Please somebody do something we need to make our voices heard spread the word and get as many as you can there
Only over a million? i dont think so! the number is over 2 million East Europeans already here!
This madness has to stop now!, and the only way it will happen is to get rid of this government, get rid of the EU, get rid of the immigrants along with all the illegals, by voting for UKIP, they are the only party who will bring back common sence to the UK and give our country back to controle by ourselves, and it has to happen now.!!!!!!!!!! And may-be one day we the British people will find that pot of gold for ourselves instead of wasting it on every-one but the people who have paid there due's for the benefits they are taking home to another country.
What are the comparable figures for France, Germany, Holland? If they are managing to keep them out, thus saving their jobs for their own, and cutting down on benifits payments, why can we not introduce similar rules? Is it our incompetent politicians, or, are so many of the migrants working in the civil service, that thier is little will to enforce the rules? We also need to ask ourselves, how can migrants come here and out compete our own people, is their work ethic better, is their education better?
UKIP is the only way people unite and get our country back
You Can Only Blame The Muppets in Government (Mr Cameron Ed Milliband Tony Blair Nick Clegg & Co) who were looking 4 Cheap Workers to serve the Rich & Wealthy Conservatives.
If we don't build the houses they might stop comming, all this is thanks to the last Labour government.
1. Fire up Google maps 2. Scroll over to the USA 3. Zoom in on any random town in the centre of the USA or on the outskirts of any East or West coast city. 4. Switch to Street View and look around. 5. That dear readers is what the UK will look like a decade from now. No trees or green fields, just miles of trashy mals, parking lots and junk food outlets. If you want to see this in the UK today, try the main 'out of town' shopping mal in Newbury, Berkshire. Very dull shops, a Burger King and a McDonald's. 6. Compare 5 to how things are in a typical country village or town like Thame, and you'll see what we're about to do. And it will make our weather worse too because there will be less oxygen production from fields or trees, and we'll get the same tornados and draughts that central USA gets. We're going to die a slow painful death. And the fault lies with all political parties.
Thousands coming in - many (if not, most) to go straight on to benefits, and none will have ever paid anything into our system !!! My aged mum is currently ill, having partially recovered from a very bad fall, and the treatment she is getting in the NHS is appalling !! She worked full-time right up until the age of 76, paying a significant amount of taxes, and yet she is being treated like a second-class non-entity. Why - well I'll tell you why - it's because she is old, indiginous white, and English. That puts her right at the very bottom of the pile, folks..........................
Well all I can say on this site if they will have as hard a time as those of us on a decent wage are having then they wont be here for long.Anyway Government your all trotting round the world in fine suits pretending everything is fine when in fact your in control (of your own making)of a shambles of a country throwing money around the world on anything but actual food for the people and a shambles of welfare that cuts it off from the British people who have put into the pot to hand it out to disgusting benefit cheats and scroungers many of whom are illegal immigrants.If you were all running your own business you would have been bankrupted in the ist year .I think that says it all voted in for the wrong reasons.
And wait till Turkey joins the EU, something that Europhile extraordinaire Cameron is desperate to happen. Flooded and overcrowded now? Yes, but you ain't seen nothing until then! We are clearly governed by people who HATE - yes, HATE - the inidigneous British people.
Type "benefity w UK" into google and you'll find the vast numbers of Polish "Expat" websites dedicated to informing their countrymen about UK Benefity and everything they're "entitled" to.
They have their own countries........and you cannot compare Brits living abroad in places such as Spain to an uncontrolled influx of Eastern Europeans into an already overcrowded island. If their own countries are not what they want them to be I would politely suggest they set about rectifying this instead of jumping aboard the benefit train here. Remind me again why EU membership is so good? It isn't from where I am standing.
It's a disgrace, this country is seen as a meal ticket for the third world and Eastern Europe...close the borders or it's goodbye Britain as we know it.
OUT OUT OUT NOW NOW NOW !!!
I really can't be bothered to comment on this anymore, apart to say this Government, and the last, have know this is coming for years now, and even if they wanted to put safeguards in place they know they can't (EU rules and all that). Just say goodbye to our green fields and our countryside or vote UKIP.
These are very dangerous times now! The whole Engish, Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish cultures are now in dire threat of being bred out of existence within one generation. Wake up people this is War!
That's a lot of people to house and provide health care, benefits and education costs for. It also puts hundreds of thousands on the dole. Just think what that costs in benefits alone.
You should look to Ireland to see how out of control open border policy has become. Of a population of approx 4.5m, 12.5% are immigrants ( or in-migrants as the do righters like to call them) . With 14.5% unemployment level you can see how detrimental this social experiment has impacted on Irish society.
Well, I for one, say the quicker that they flood into this country the better. The more the better! As I'm tired of this slow lingering death by mass-immigration that this country is, and has been, enduring over recent decades. A sudden sharp shock is definitely required by the general public, one that tips our services and infrastructure over the edge. And given our current economic state I should think the sudden arrival of hundreds of thousands of people on top of those already pouring in might just be the ticket, might just open a few peoples eyes to reality. I live in hope. As, if they don't open their eyes and become pro-active very soon there won't be much left to get pro-active about.
Daily Mail readers formed the core of the Tory vote at the last general election. You have no one to blame but yourselves. - A_T_Pickle, Leamington Spa, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:50...........................And Daily Mirror formed the core of voters that gave us thirteen years of labour. Are you one of those?
so my country has gone why are we building houses for them to get them for free even though they have never paid a red cent into the countrys coffers and my NHS nurse daughter who pays her way cant get any help??? No wonder they are all flocking here....
Oh that's wonderful news! By all means tear up the only thing Britain has left! Kill all of our native animals, destroy their habitats and decimate our heritage and green land, after all, we British are push overs now and kowtow to other countries because we have no backbone and won't kick people out and won't close the boarders. Come on in everyone! It's free money and free housing for everyone who isn't British! Note sarcasm.
Our fields in Taunton are being built on around us. Our ancient hedges ripped out, to make way for new roundabouts and large pavements, new roads. Road works springing up with little or no notice so traffic is horrendous. 4000 houses added on to our side of town. High block of flats built that overlooks existing homes and new street lights that shine into the windows of houses that have been built since the 1950s, We have no new schools as yet. Families at our primary school are panic buying houses which are not even built yet, in order to secure places at an over subscribed popular secondary school. VERY Concerned that our native species of trees and shrubs which support our wildlife - insects and butterflies etc are lost or replaced with plants not suited to our wildlife.
there are a million english migrants here and our population is only 20 million
No it can't be true, we have just been told that net immigration has fallen. The politicians and experts paid by them don't lie !!!!!!!!!!!!! If you continue to vote for any of the liblabcon self servers party, then you are clearly stupid, you are assisting in the decline of jobs, NHS, education, increase in welfare, destruction of the countryside, increase in crime, more parasites on the gravy train, my god the list is endless, why do you believe their lies, why do you keep them in power? Britain is truly finished, the fools deserve the politicians they get, but unfortunately those of us who can see the disaster looming ahead will have to suffer because of them.
Now that's the last thing we needs to do "countryside will be built over to accommodate new arrivals" The countryside which is apart of the British icon and farming etc.
Yeh right do we English pay our way in FRANCE Patricia or do we live on FRENCH benifits - I doubt it and france and germany are huge countries unlike mine.
LiblabCon hate you and Britain . Do you not understand that yet ? Vote and support UKIP or see this country be asset stripped while disappearing into the EU monster. Just whinging on this D. Mail site is no longer enough .
Benefit as well ?????????
The muppets have opened up an Aladdin's Cave for the dregs of Europe, their stupidity knows no bounds.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan.
I am getting sick of paying council tax when others don't. if we are all in it together why exactly should I pay council tax to fund immigrants to ruin our Country?
I like the naivety of people here thinking UKIP is the solution. UKIP, currently enjoying the comfort of the opposition, promises exactly what people wanted to hear. This is called populism. So easy. Once in power and confronted with the facts and realities taking into account all aspects of any issue on his desk, Nigel Farage would do everything he can to make U-turns. Can we not remember what David Cameron promised when he was in the opposition ? Did he not say for example he will organise a EU referendum ? Did he not say he will curb immigration ? Did he not just recently say he will implement Levesson's recommendations ? Did he not promise the economy will be put back on track in 2 years ? Did his friend, Nick Clegg, not promise to students to oppose any tution fees ? You guys think Nigel is different. You are so naive ! He will do more harm than Cameron and Clegg put together.
As Britain is not a member of the Schengen Agreement which created the borderless zone of the EU and we do not have to let these people in to Britain. So can someone tell me what's going on here. What is our government doing?
Vote UKIP , it is the only way to stop this madness . Every thug and criminal , every scrounger looking for free handouts are on their way to the UK or already here . If reading the papers every day about the immigrants caught stealing benefits is anything to go by , we are on a loosing , downward slippery slope . Look after the UK citizens who have contributed tax and NI over the years , not these immigrants . We are full up .
Remember it was LABOUR that caused all this Blair and all his brother traitors.now tell Cameron and Clegg to get us out of EU. tell all Tory Lib MP's that you will not vote for them again untill they force a Refrendance and close our Borders, NO Houses, NO Benefits, NO Jobs, DIVERT them all to GERMANY and FRANCE, watch them Squeal, All Criminal imigrats deported NO APPEAL. N DUNN
Shock ! Horror !.. Why is this now very common and prevalent news a surprise to anyone who has lived in Britain for the past 50-odd years ?? This dilution,leading to eradication,of National Identity has for long been the aim of the forthcoming Federal Republic of Europe.Dissenters have over the years been branded as xenophobes and racists by successive governments of both Labour and Conservative persuasions.Although it must be said that 'New' Labour did take things to new heights in their last 13 years with their open-door policy on permanent visitor numbers.The tragedy for some here though is that it's too late to shut the stable door now that the horse has bolted.
I am finding it very hard to control telling them when I hear them speak in there language to b ugg er off back where they came from - I will one day tell them, I swear to god i will I am sick of being controlled./
First four countries mentioned above are located in Central not Eastern Europe. Yes, in times of Iron Curtain usually Eastern Europe and Western Europe were mentioned. It seems such division, such curtain, such stereotypes still exists in minds of some people. Please believe me, Soviet tanks are no longer located in Eastern Germany and Western Poland. Maybe it's difficult to check it from England, but it's true.
"receive around 2 million ex-pats, mostly pensioners" - John S, Bromley ---------------- That is exactly what happens now, John .. I know of quite a few couples/families who moved abroad in their prime, gave the best years of their lives(and their taxes) to a foreign country, and then, when they became old and needed care etc, high-tailed it back here smartish, so the good old British taxpayer can keep them in their old age.. One gentleman, who I know very well, lived in Thailand for over 20 years.. He had a stroke and was bedridden.. His friends had a whip-round (many thousands of pounds) to get him on an air ambulance to get him back here.. He was met by an ambulance at Heathrow who took him straight to hospital, where he was cared for for months before being transferred to his home town 200 miles away.. Just imagine the cost? Meanwhile, Thailand who had his best years, get off scot-free.. Now, times that example by hundreds of thousands, and you begin to see the problems and cost.
Only a million ? Someone is not counting very carefully methinks !
The British People (English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh) should understad that we are the Managers and that the British Government works for us, (we never voted in the EU government)We dont want all these immigrants and we definitely do not want all our green fields built on. I dont claim benefits, have never claimed benefits, but when I did try to claim job seekers allowance after losing my job of 16 years, I was told it was against the law to give me more than four weeks, so how in the hell do these people come into my country and manage to claim more than I am allowed. We need to take to the streets and take down this government, we need to take our country back befre it is too late for our children and grandchildren. You cannot go to any other European Country and get the same benefits as they get here, try going to Romania and claim for a House, go to Bulgaria and try and get a job it just wont happen. WAKE UP PEOLE, ITS NOT TOO LATE
I never thought i would say this,but living in a small Somerset town,i am actually very nervous when all i hear is foreign language spoken. I feel an outsider in my own country. Come a war....we would have no idea who our friends are.?
How many are on benifits
We must get rid of the politicians that have allowed immigration to deteriate our country and living standards,this means both labour and conservative governments. UKIP now seem our only hope of stopping unchecked immigration,and taking us out of the EU from where most of our problems arise. VOTE UKIP FOR CHANGE..
This is unforeseen consequences of Labour's open door policy and our being in Europe, so perhaps it's now too late to ask the question " What now " ? There seems to be no way out, even if we pull out of Europe, which is most unlikely in the next few years, the people who are here from other European countries will remain. So will their social benefits be removed, will they no longer get housing benefits, child allowance etc. etc ?. it will be almost impossible to close down the existing arrangements and the Europeans will just stay and take up whatever jobs are available, they will be a source of cheap labour so will limit whatever work is available to our own people. So how do we dig our way out of this mess ? Perhaps if those who put Great Britain in this mess will get their noses out of the trough and come up with an answer. !
Opening the gates to the Romanians and Bulgarians is opening the gate to HELL. Millions will come to take your job and home, they will take away our culture and traditions via more PC and multiculturalism via the government and eu to make them feel at home!!! They will make you rent out your spare rooms in your home to them if they had their way! We will be screwed if we dont leave the eu which stops the government from saying "NO" to letting them in. God save the Queen? more like God save the country and the people of this land! Vote UKIP
Web search the NWO some articles are a little cranky but some are spot on and were published years ago....it will all fall into place. It is quite terrifying. Look up UN Agenda 21.
We have to wait until we are 18 years old before we can vote. Would it not be reasonably to enforce a mandatory 18 year permanent residency with full citizenship before being included on the electoral role. This would surely stop politicians manipulating population migration to suit their own party's goals.
UK has aways wanted to play Big Brother and the dominant king among nations. Historical facts attest to this position. This explains why they are all flocking to the UK. The question remains that why are they not flocking to Germany whose economy is much better than the UK and share some historic similarites to these countries? There are other countries with better economies like Sweden, Belguim, Norway and Finland but these migrants would not go there at thesame rate they travel to the UK. Why? More so, I wonder why Tony Blair is still being blamed for the current state of things when he left Govt several years ago. Don't we have a different govt now? Can't the present govt do something about the situation? why would we always deflect the blame to the labour party even when they are no longer in power? That they signed the treaty years ago isn't a ground to think that the present govt can't change the position of the UK with the EU.
Alll those lies we were told by Labour about immigration are finally being exposed. Honestly, 'our research suggests only 5,000 will turn up every year.' We knew it was a lie but were branded racists for speaking out. It was one of the biggest betrayals in our country's history that will have ramifications for years to come.
All from Blairs "open-door-policy". Now we pay forever
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it.
Who said the 'UK's jobless' don't want to work in hospitality and other low paid jobs? Working in hospitality got me through college and university. Now that higher education is virtually unaffordable for a much higher percentage of Britain's young people what jobs are they going to take? I would love to know where the 'facts' come from for these outrageous statistics and generalisations! There are plenty of people who would be delighted to leave the degrading experience of signing on every fortnight to wait on tables, but those jobs are seemingly already taken!
It's all down to the EU, headed by Germany the Fourth Reich. They couldn't beat us militarily so they have plotted for the past 60 years to destroy us by other means. They foist all the dross of Europe on us whilst at the same time making us pay £48million a day for the privilege. Blair and his criminal government encouraged it and now we are struggling to cope. And any Briton (note Briton) who dares to complain is accused of race hate crimes.
Make no mistake, the unelected elite EU leaders plan to take over the UK, and this mass influx of poor EU immigrants is part of their plan.. Self interested traitors in Westminster have given us over to the EU under a Political Union, WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE, when we had agreed to TRADE ONLY.. The EU dictatorship now want a Fiscal Union, whereby they take complete control of the finances of ALL EU countries, UK included, and the pro EU Party leaders in Westminster will let them if they get the opportunity. SUPPORT UKIP TO FIGHT THIS MADNESS, AND RETURN OUR COUNTRY FROM THE HANDS OF SCOUNDRELS WHO COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE UK.
Government won't estimate number of European immigrants expected to head for UK Yeah, they won't be able to spin more lies to us as we know the real truth. Look all towns and cities up and down the UK are overrun with Eastern European jobs. Wait, soon they will be taking white collar jobs too and we don't want any from Bulgaria and Romania as we have enough already, and there isn't any more jobs, as we have our own unemployed. Plus, all the money the EU (including us) is giving these countries each day. We are becoming or are the pauper of Europe,
I changed my membership from the LibDems [who seem to love the EU] to UKIP about 5 years ago. Mr Cameron I am not `a fruit cake closet racist` - BUT what on earth are YOU? A closet PM who hates HIS Country? I am sorry but I am a Pensioner who gets my £200 Winter Fuel Allowance AND a Bus Pass. Oh whoopee!!! I am OK but have friends (retired) who will have a miserable Christmas eating little food and sitting in the one room they can afford to heat. Call me `intolerant` if you want but this article makes me feel physically sick. I know a chap of 40yrs who's relationship has just split up. He has two children. What will the local council do for his housing needs? NOTHING. As he has no permanent address social services will only allow supervised visits. He will not see his kids on Christmas Day - he might find a hostel. If not a shop doorway. Someone is digging a pit for Citizen UK to jump into.
Why doesn't someone do something to stop the Government building on our countryside? I am so angry about this. All for immigrants living on our benefits that they've never paid into. When our own people are unemployed, homeless and hungry. This country has gone right down the drain I'm afraid. And we expect our forces to go and fight for us? It's a joke.
When there is no more land to build on what then? The immigrants will still be arriving. The other day spenditure on the NHS was in the news. When did it cease to be National Healt "Insurance"? If it is still an " insurance" then surely the State has a right to refuse to treat those who are not " insured". The cost of treating hiv far outstrips costs for many other ailment treatments yet most of the beneficiaries to this treatment have never paid in to the National Health " Insurance", which annoys many that have paid in to the system for 40 plus years. On the back of the introduction of NHI contributions these people were promised free dentistry and glasses when they became OAPs. What a LIE.
We're full, close the doors.
I thought the controls weren't going to be relaxed until 31st December 2014, and not 2012. A lot can happen in 24 months. There might not be a European Union to worry about by then. As for UKIP: I've met quite a few people who have never heard of the party, or of Nigel Farage for than matter. Astonishing but true! They must go around with their heads inside brown paper bags ignoring the outside world. Looks like its going to be a hard slog then for UKIP to make its mark until around the time of the next general election. Boris Johnson might be the Tory leader by then making the Tories almost certain to form the next government, with UKIP the runner-up, making Labour flounder, and the Limpdiks almost extinct.
All chasing the "pot of gold", and most have found it!!. Lol!!. Disgrace!!.
- Justin Time, Portsmouth, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:57-------Folks, the Tories weren't elected in 2010 let alone 2015.....(!)
So has anyone actually come up with a number WHEN THE UK WILL BE FULL? Or has it reached this capacity?. Formula is people plus resources equals survival...... What kind of a world do you want to live in? OVERCROWDED STARVING AND JOBLESS.... all this whilst the rest of the world grows.
Stop all immigration NOW!!! The UK will be a concreted island soon.
You have to ask yourself that if this is a eu ploy, to guarantee a "Yes" vote if ever there was a Referndum from all the immigrants being shipped to this country, almost certainly they would not vote "No" when they are getting everything for free here
Demonising immigrants to justify building on Green Belt land is as bad as it gets.
Plenty of empty houses, flats etc in Spain. We do not want this immigration why oh why can those in government see and act upon the will of the nation, if there is a game plan that is being kept from us please enlighten us about it, as it is I cannot foresee what the plan is. My only hope that is that I have a UKIP candidate standing in my area who can have my vote, for after voting conservative for the past fifty years I have now given up and there are no other party worth considering.
Continued membership of the EU will turn the UK to dust in the next few years, we will become the new Greece but there will be no money left to bail us out.
"High demand: Planning Minister Nick Boles warned 100,000 new homes will be built to accommodate the expanding British population! But it's not the BRITISH population that's expanding is it?! It's time to take our country back!!!
The number of British ex-pats living or working is Spain is around 1.5% of our population. The percentage for Australia is even higher at around 2%. - John S, Bromley, United Kingdom / Ah but in Spain the only place where English has taken over is on shop and bar signs on the Costas. Schools aren't swamped with it. And the country isn't having to provide benefits and housing to the Brits either. It is also facing nothing like the massive culture change being imposed back in Britain. Brits usually bring money into these economies as opposed to what happens in soft touch Britain.
Utter silence from Labour,Dave you have one chance of being elected in 2015 solve the immigrant problem,this is the biggest issue for the UK,there is not a bigger issue in sight,ignore it and the country will ensure you are voted out and that means you will be to blame for allowing another Labour Government who do not have a clue who are useless and will bring the country into a cesspit we will never get of.DAVE IMMIGRATION THE ONLY ISSUE ON THE TABLE NOTHING ELSE
No British Government has ever been given Consent to join the EU, or to import millions of immigrants, The British People, are being systematically robbed by The Traitors in Parliament.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world. - Overtaxed , Reading, 05/12/2012 09:44>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you see Spain, Italy, Poland and all the other eastern european countries building houses especially for migrating Brits, giving us benefits and all the handouts??? I don't think so. If Brits migrate we have to support ourselves, unlike other europeans.
The benefits to the UK of the EU, over population, under employment, housing, water & home grown food shortages. Wide spread voter apathy due to there being no difference between any of the 3 major Party's & most laws now set in Brussells. Change is essential & it is ever clearer that it can now only come from UKIP!
Folks, if You voted for this mob then You have no right to complain.......(!)
Our government is not fit for purpose is all I have to say. Apart from..I could cry for our country, it's gone for ever. Thanks Tony, happy now?
Just a cover up so as rich tories can build in the greenbelt.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex, London, 5/12/2012 9:20..As you appear to be so knowledgeable perhaps you could like to enlighten us to how many Brits living in Eastern Europe are claiming benefits?Or for that matter what we are able to claim over there,because even my MP doesn't know the answer to that one. .
Just what we need, more organized gangs, pickpockets, and shop lifters coming from eastern Europe
Do you realy want to put an end to this nonesence then vote B.N.P
UKIP is on course to take at least half Tory seats at the next election with this. Act now David Cameron.
It is about time the British People, English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish opened their eyes and see what is happening. We need to take to the streets and march down Whitehall, we need to disbaned this Government, and take over our Country. They have no right Tories, Labour or Lib Dems to tel us what we want, we should be telling them. We don't want new houses being built for immigrants especially on our green land, We dont want to give all our benefits to these people, they have no right and the EU dignitaries have no ight to tell this once proud ntion what we can and cant do. WAKE UP and smell the roses if we dont do someting soon we will totally lose our great country and our Children and Grandchildren will be in the gutters because these immigrans have more rights than the British do.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world. - Overtaxed, Reading, 5/12/2012 9:44>>>>>>>>> What has that got to do with free movement within the EU? Where would we house those 940.000 (mostly pensioners) if Spain kicked them out?
I know about 20 people in Valencia who are planning on moving to England for work. I'm going to wait to see if things improve in Spain but I might have to go to England to work, then send all the my earnings back to Spain to support my family.
And we in Scotland have a clown leading the SNP that wants to take Scotland out of the UK AND THEN WANTS TO REJOIN THE EU !!!!!!!!!!
Why does the Tory Party (unlike theDutch, French and Germans ! ) support Turkish entry into the EU ? Its a case of double standards and would mean massive immigration.
I hope this Conservative government know what they've got to do if they want to get re-elected in 2015 .........
Thanks to looney Labour you could not trust them with anything.
What a fine mess the politicians have landed Britain in - as long as we are in the EU the immigrants will keep flooding in because we are the benefits capital of Europe. Then there's all the immigrants flooding in from the Third World, is it any surprise that Britain's housing shortage crisis gets worse by tthe day?
Sheer madness but deliberately planned. At least they dont hate us like some others we have let in.
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too.- Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20>>>>>>>Yes but we have to have a job and be self supporting, other EU countries do not give free everything!!!!!! you have to pay your own way.
Instead of pointing fingers at eastern european people, we should try and look at our own first. In the last few years I've only seen children having children, qeueing to claim child's benefits and all just so they can buy themselves Iphones or spend money on themselves and not their children, leaving them barefoot outdoors when it's freezing. Ultimately, bulgarians and romanians work wherever they can, where as we're a bit picky ( rather claim benefits and stay at home because the job's not ideal). Yes, there are scums but not every eastern european steals or claims benefits. Most of them work hard and pay taxes just as we do!
It's all very simple just put me in charge of running this country. Then watch out! - spyder , sammio, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:49 People like you should not be in charge of ANYTHING
...paying taxes. Consuming goods. Buying in supermarkets. Spending money in food... And they didn't cost a penny to be educated or born. They got their degrees, certificates, etc. abroad with zero cost to the British taxpayer. BUT, they pay taxes here as they work here. DM, don't you really understand that immigration is needed in an ageing population like the British one? Then, buy an Economics textbook for your library. You clearly need one.
So we leave the EU, kick them all out and in return receive around 2 million ex-pats, mostly pensioners. What then?
Different goverment same policy! They won't estimate how many, because as many as want can come in and yet another elected goverment doesn't care about it's voters and what they will suffer because of this policy!
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!)
I'm pretty sure they all live in Manchester. never thought I'd be in the minority of English people in my own town. can't get worse.
Don't let them fool you with talk of NET migration. If 200,000 British people leave the UK and are replaced by 200,000 immigrants is that OK?
Why do we allow the EU to us who we must let in? The UK is already overcrowded. Another good reason for leaving the EU. I voted against joining in the first place.
is this sort of information leaked to the press so that dodgy dave can say he has put a stop on it when in fact it was never going to happen in the first place
1 million immigrants - I think you'll find it's a lot more than that.
The guy who delivered a parcel to my door yesterday was Eastern European. He was clean, polite and WORKING.
It's not just the jobs issue with Romanians, as any other EU country will tell you, they create massive social problems with thieving, burglary, living rough, door to door begging. In Rome they clear illegal camps with force, can anyone see that happening in this social worker heaven we live in? We have left ourselves open to massive massive problems here, and then there is the pressure on the social security and NHS. What a total utter mess we are in .
A lot of these people come here to get jobs. Least they will be paying taxes and contributing to the system. We have a lot of work shy people in this country. Now if we could get them here to work, then there wouldn't be jobs for people coming in from abroad. Personally I don't think anyone should be allowed in the UK unless they have a job and are contributing to the system and can pay their own way. I admit there are exceptions, there are actually some genuine asylum seekers who need help. The government need to work out what our capacities are and stick to it. Once we reach those limits the gates will have to close.
Another set of confusing statistics that bare no relation to the truth. '1.0 million a relatively soft insignificant low figure plucked from the air' which does not relate to the true figure which is nearer 5.5 million according to acumulated figures over the past decade. Nothing seems to have changed since labour left power !!
Several years ago there was a trend for employing Polish girls. Speak to to UK employers today and they are apprehensive in employing them now, as they have wised upto the Girls only ever being employed for the statuary time before they fall pregnant and take maternity leave. Once that happens they return home and claim UK Child benefit for the next 18 years. I would like to see the government chase down all foreign students who have had a university education in the UK and have not paid their loans back. According to official figures that totals 70% of them. 1 in 7 prisoners in uk Gaols are Eastern Europeans. Which is a massively dis-proportuniate crime figure. The UK immigration policy is causing resentment, fear and bitterness amongst its people. It needs to STOP.
Yet again labour is to blame. If you haven't got any skills etc to benefit this country and pay your own way you should not be allowed in simple as that. Immigrants should not be allowed to come over and live of the tax payer when you have got people working and struggling themselves. Look at Australia prime example on how immigration should handled.
No, there will not be hundreds of thousands of east european immigrants........Bliar said only 30,000 or so, and we all know he knew what he was doing when in govt...... and he was not prone to being economic with the truth!!!......let us embrace his legacies!!
And these are the ones we know about. At least we still have some fields and parks we can dig up to use as building land for houses.
So our beautiful country side (what's left of it) is going to be built on to house these people that dint even belong here? No wonder taxes are going up, we need to pay for them and there housing benefits!!!
Of course our unemployed can and do go and work in other countries in Europe. I suppose most of you are too young to remember Auf Weidershen Pet - about construction workers going to work in Germany, and this was not just a phenomenon of the 70's when we were new to the EU abut continues today. Here in France where I live there are a lot of English, Spanish, Portuguese and Polish workers, and our area has an unemployment rate of 5%.
We have pretty much what you have PLUS better schools, free universities (although no Oxbridge..) and very inexpensive universal daycare. Yet we don't have a huge wave of immigrants flooding in. Possibly because the climate is even worse than in Britain and our language is pretty incomprehensible.
JUST STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW.
The reason for most of thee people being allowed in is because those with all the money want lots of cheap labour so that they can make,even more millions than they already have. WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER?..............................................................THEY ARE.
Thank you Mr Blair and pals,and BBC Today program
And this my friends is where our hard earned taxes are going! Paying for these "People" to come into our country, breed, rape, steal, murder and then bring over the hoards of family members from their home countries. But do not worry as long as we can keep letting them in the people in this country who genuinely need funds for hospital care etc will not get it. The pot is empty! It also seems if you go to any NHS site such as doctors/dentists you will sit for hours waiting to see someone but if you are an immigrant then you just let on you do not speak english and get an appointment straight away! Put them back on a boat and send them packing, I am sure the people actually born and bred in this country would now work in the jobs they turned down before.
Blame Tony Blair, he allowed this to happen by not putting in palce safeguards and we were told not many would come. bLIAR bLIAR bLIAR
This is called social enginnering. By the time the next elections come around the Lab/con voters will have increased by allowing all these people into the country. If they are to come then no benifits and no votes.
Dont forget the other 9 million here who have no link to Europe.
for all brits living abroad how many are wealthy retirees? do other countries offer foreingers what we offer here - so if i go to spain will there be interpreters available to me? can i use thier health servie for free and is it any good, can we work un restricted - if i get arrested will i get an interpreter>? if i want to claim thier benefits are they are comprehensive as what we offer and will we get an interpreter.... if so - we may move!
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world.
To all the morons who think that the DM readers are being xenophobic, please realise that it has nothing to do with xenophobia. It's just that we have the intelligence to realise that we haven't got the infrastructure or the resources to keep letting people in ad infinitum. Something you thick idiots don't seem to be able to grasp. Plus, people of this country are getting fed up with being treated as second class citizens in their own country while some people coming here from other parts of the world, having never paid a penny in and having absolutely no intention of paying anything in, get money and houses thrown at them.
Nigel Farage is a TRAITOR for marrying a GERMAN!
We're in financial dire straights, not enough jobs and debt increasing at a crazy rate, and what's the Governments stupid answer? let more foreigners in and let them spirit the money back home.
And most head for South East / And many are breeding taking advantage of benefits and UK is only Western Country to have out of control birth rate to match 3rd world countrie .
people can complain as much as they like but what they going to do about it,going by the recent by election in rotherham,nothing,the electorate still vote the same clowns in, they had the chance of voting UKIP in, unbelievable! - the voice of sanity , solihull, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 09:24______ well thankfully it proves that the majority of us are not insular bigots then doesn't it?
Only a moron would think that the UK population is any less than at least 15% above the official figures. Only a moron would think that our ideal population was exceeded 20 or more years ago. Finally only a moron would think that saying this is racist.
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome. - Fatherofthree, Belfast, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 18:29 Desperate! Why are they desperate? Desperate to get free medical care, free homes and free education, free money..etc. There is nothing wrong with the countries they are leaving. They have nothing to offer an already over populated country like the UK. They are not desperate. In comparison to the UK maybe their countries are less well developed but that doesn't make them desperate. They should stay in their own countries and help develope them...not abandon them for an easy life here at the UK taxpayers expense. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Two wonderful responses from herby23crawley and cimawr ammaford. Just so well put down in words.That is how i feel.
The other day I saw 3 Romanian gypsy women harrasing a woman and man for money, they even had a child pulling at their clothes begging. The police turned up soon after and they ran away. Does that not already say we have enough people here who need support that maybe opening up our country to yet another influx of immigrants shouldn't happen? We have enough people on benefits that are fit to work yet my taxes go to support them. Well done David Cameron I hoped you would change things around for the better but now I cannot wait to leave the UK . My great grandfather didn't fight for this country to see you give it away and make true Brits who have lived and worked here for years (regardless of race) suffer because 40 year old men in suits can't be bothered to take a stand.
This country is sinking fast or is sea level rising, ie two many people.
This is one of the reasons the country is in a mess,housing,hospitals,welfare,dentists,all under pressure because of our ever growing population,its not racist or xenephobic to say this small island of 90'000 sq miles cannot support 70,000'000 people,cant these stupid politicians understand that ?..........
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex, London, 5/12/2012 9:20 And I bet they are not all living in one country Idiot!
Our once great country is now a distant memory never to be reclaimed - thanks politicians for ruining it!
My husband is from Peterborough and says it's unrecognizable to the place in which he grew up.We lived there briefly in the early days of our relationship but when we had saved enough money, moved to a lovely, very English town a few miles down the road.Near where we used to live is a school where two thirds of the children don't even speak English as a first language.This once great country is a shadow of its former self and is only going to get worse.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20----Damn right, im sick of this moaning. Why cant we share the planet? My parents in law went to live in spain and they moan about the eastern europeans there. Unbelievable!
Many cleaning, catering, hospitality and agriculture businesses still struggle to find people who turn up for work and stay there for more than a couple of weeks. The Brits are certainly not interested in such "low paid" and "degrading" jobs.
It would be intersting to compare the crime figures for the same period. In fact it would be even more interesting to compare crime figures commited by those of foreign origin, ie, those arrived in the past 50 years and the indigenous population.
The politicians, sorry 'TRAITORS' who are responsible for this are clearly pursuing an agenda to deliberately destroy Britain. Never in my life have I seen so many politicians be so anti-British, unpatriotic, and behave as the 'Enemy of the State'. I wonder how much these Judas's are being paid by the EU to do it!
This should not have happened.Sometime in the 80's a very big push should have been made to get people off benefits,rather than encouraging them to stay on. There was work,now we have two or maybe three genrations of baby breeders who work the system. We have the PC brigade and politicians to blame. Good bye once Great Britain. Finally why did so many good lads and lasses die in WW 2 for this to happen what a waste.
To all the leaders of all the Political Party............... do away with human rights, do away with Civil Liberties and don't any of you politicians realise that sorting the Immigration issue which is what a huge amount of the UK people want will also solve alot of other issues, such as unemployment (British jobs for British workers), increase in taxes, reduction in money been paid out in benefits etc etc etc
Hollobone states - ¿What we are going to see is swathes of our countryside built over to accommodate the millions of new arrivals from the European Union, over which we seemingly have little control.¿...................'over which we seemingly have little control'???? - What utter clap trap. Turn around and tell the eu 'no more'. We are a tiny island and should not be building on Green Belt land- especially to accomodate eu immigrants who, the vast majority of, will be coming here to live at the British tax payers expense whilst sending swathes of our money 'back home' in order to build their mansions. Let Germany or France accomodate them, surley, as we appear to have, they also have plenty of jobs for these migrant workers to do. Failing that, let them all pile in here but pay them not a penny in benefit. See how long they will want to stay then.
For thos saying vote UKIP just remember that the next election is still 3 years away. How much will the population grow in that time? how much more into the pit of debt will we be? we need action NOW. camoron needs to be replaced. we need a vote on the EU and the human rights rubbish. it will be too late in 3 years time. ACTION NOW.
MP's refuse to listen to their people. We want an EU Referendum and an end to Overseas Aid which gives people abroad the impression that Britain is a rich country, which it is not. Please vote UKIP to end this madness.
There are thousands of BRITISH people who have been on council waiting lists for years yet we are giving priority to migrants who are coming here just to milk the system,.Saying they want to come here to work is ludicrous,they are coming for one thing and one thing only...benefits. UKIP is our only chance to stop this madness.
2,7 million immigrants arrived in the UK in the last 14 years and that's only the ones you know about.
This results in money flowing out of the UK economy. They come over take jobs from Briton's and instead of spending their money here it all flows back to eastern Europe. Curbs must be put in place.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone.
What`s wrong with providing homes for these European Cousins ? They put up with the wonderful British Tourists and their cultural behaviour without complaint.- DOWNBUTNOTOUT, LIVERPOOL, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:18......The British tourist still pays to stay there. They don't get hand outs whilst holidaying there. It is probably harder for us to get a work permit in their country as compared to them coming here.
This is called EU. Those people are mostly youngsters seeking a new experience. They will come back to their countries. We also have lots of English people living in Prague and we quite like them so far.
To all the people whom are saying 'they want to work ours don't' this is a blanket statement and only half true, I know many of ours who want to work but can't get a job, I also know many of ours who don't want to work. I know some of them whom work and pay taxes and I support them in it but I know others whom come here for a house and benefits and dont want to work just sit and be served by this country after contributing nothing.
Can we not have a massive NO CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT VOTE COUNTRY WIDE.!!! and force a general election to oust these no gooders and lets get out of EU before it takes us over completely.
And what was the percentage turnout at the last general election?. That's right. PATHETIC. Those that do not want to be part of the solution (ie, voting for a competent government) are part of the problem.
Thank god that now the attention has gone to Europeans , we africans have been subjected to abuse when it comes to immigration issue though our great grandfathers fought for this country and our diamonds being stolen Some of us have packed our bags and gone home So there....
Make the social benefits unavailable to them and then see if they still want to come. - RJimmer, Dorchester, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:43*****How dare you! These citizens of the EU are citizens of England and deserve to be housed and given immediate benefits upon arrival and if we cannot build houses fast enough for them we must offer them our finest hotel accomodation. We should send welcome parties to the ports to make them feel welcome and make sure we have plenty of Bulgarian and Romanian flags to wave. Then we should all write to that patriotic Mr. Cameron and thank him and his mentor Athony Blair (why not a Knight of the Garter for his contribtuion to multiculturalism?) for what they have done for their country--Winston would be so proud of them. Are you getting angry enough people? Are you willing to join the revolution yet? Stop voting LIBLABCON--you join in the treason if you do. UKIP --join today and join the BATTLE FOR BRITAIN.
Adam Weishaupt's 25 point plan is running smooth, this has been designed to happen but people still refuse to wake up to the New World Order.
Send them all back and make all the english benefit scroungers work,they are taking places in our schools and filling up all appointments at the doctors,when will this stop ..
So long as we keep voting for the main 3 parties, nothing will change. It's UKIP from now on for me. My friend just got back from Australia - THEY change their rules on immigration (perm and 'temporary') according to what THEY need at any one time - so the rules change yearly to THEIR advantage - Australia is NOT in recession, apparently - in fact it's booming. From 2014, does a Romanian have a Right (ha!) to WORK here, or to LOOK FOR WORK here. There is a huge difference of course; if it's the latter, what prey tell, is to stop 500,000 Romas coming here looking for work...not getting any (hey, there IS a recession!) and then turning to crime when their 'dreams' turn bad ?? Watch the police shows and 75% of those arrested are foreign !! I am only 45, but this is not the Britain that I remember from even 15 years ago. People of UK - WRITE TO YOUR MP AND ASK THE WHETHER THE BENEFITS OF EU MEMBERSHIP STILL OUTWEIGHT THE DRAWBACKS. They don't - they know it - but won't do anything.
And they are still flooding in, and there is now no way to get them all out.
Well we were warned and no-one listened, now we are trying to take drastic measures to stop more coming in next year! Wonder why our unemployment is so high, when these people are taking our jobs. Come on UKIP!
Either we are being run by traitors, or incompetants, which ever they are, they are not fit for purpose and are destroying the UK - vote Ukip. It is argued Ukip does not have the experience required, but as LibLabCon are on self destruct for the UK, Ukip cannot make it worse, but they could make it much better.
This will lead to civil war. Idiots in parliament please take note
So what, a million british live in Spain
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The thing which is more alarming than the DM dreaming this rubbish up, is the number of people who actually believe it.
The number of British ex-pats living or working is Spain is around 1.5% of our population. The percentage for Australia is even higher at around 2%.
As long as we have free handouts the welfare-seekers will keep coming!
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these people just want a better life, we forever hear complaining about how our population is ageing and now we have a massive influx of young hard working people which can only be a good thing. the structure EU is the issue not some guy picking turnips. We should be 100% in or 100% out this includes all other countries. to be successful the EU needs to be one single republic with one leadership giving a common living standard not this patchwork of semi autonomous entities. of course the alternative is 100% out with a simple trade agreement.
Thank the Lord I am 70 and on the way out this country is well and truly finished.
vote ukip and save ourselves from disaster...
I've this many times on this site before, the EU is destroying the economy, laws and social fabric of the UK. The entry of many former communist bloc countries has allowed them free access to the UK where jobs are scare so they get free housing, Medicare and benefits. The addition of Romania and Bulgaria will worsen things. IT IS TIME FOR UK CITIZENS TO "TAKE BACK" THEIR COUNTRY. DUMP THE EU AND IT''S OVERPAID, UNDERWORKED MANDARINS, NOW!!!!!!
This is unsustainable! Immigration moratorium NOW!
Don't forget to add on the ones in Calais !
Yep,there you go.And all the English speaking, Christian ,Commonwealth citizens with a proven British heritage whose forefathers help build this country, are not allowed in.?? Something wrong somewhere.
Yet I own a single home size plot of land, right next to a single bungalow on the plot right next to it, no other buildings in sight and the planning office in Edinburgh will not consider building consent for at least 10 years ! Why is a person , not a leader in government, but an employee with Power given the power to make such decisions ?
Is it any wonder people are struggling for work? It's a national disgrace what's gone on.
Just don't build the houses, just tell them to pee off!
on polling day for the next election will the mail do thepoeple of this country a service and publish a story of this type as front page headline so that voters don't forget just what a disaster these clowns have been,
Maybe it's time to hold a number of peaceful protests to show the Goverment that we don't want to be in the EU anymore and to get this once great country back on it's feet. It's a shame that so many people think voting UKIP or BNP is wrong and they will be called a racist. It's just being patriotic.
Change the benefits laws, only people living in the uk for over 10 years can apply, you will see no migration to our small island.
Makes you wonder just how many backhanders our politicians receive from Brussels to keep our doors open and benefits flowing.... I shall be voting UKIP of course, but I hope they don't get paid off to back down on their policies..
PLEASE, PLEASE, EVERYONE, VOTE UKIP.
We have been well and truly conned by our weak and silly 'leaders'. The country will never recover. UKIP for me unless someone really strong and determined to lead the UK on behalf of the indiginous people appears from somewhere
this is a declaration of war
I was driving the other day and i saw a fit looking East European at a junction. I turned the car around,stopped, wound my window down and said, "How much ?". The reply was "£50". I said, "And what exactly do I get for that ?". The reply was, "10 hours. No breaks : tiling, painting, plumbing, gardening, whatever you need" !!
We need all these immigrants, to build houses for all of these immigrants.
I feel such dispair when you here this. Where will our lovely England go. No politician is looking out for us. Please could someone organise a protest march for normal people to go on - to show that it's not just extremist who are terrified about our poor country.
Obviously people could,nt care less, otherwise they would,nt keep voting for even more of the same,- Arnold Laine , Gods County, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:55>>>>>Correct...what will it take to wake people up. You all think it , but none of you do anything about it ( other than grumble in these comments sections ). Look at the Egyptians , demonstrating in mass numbers and demanding change. The only time Britons get together in numbers in public places is to watch fireworks ( or to riot ,loot ,and vandalize like last year) - johnfrum , Tanna City, 05/12/2012 08:5>>>>> People get more agitated over soap plots on TV - what chance do we stand?
This no doubt will be music to the ears of Labour because once they are residents and then have voting right will more than likely vote labour. This government needs to toughen up and make it clear that a new inflow of Eastern European migrants will not be permitted. We need to see some backbone and this government making it clear that we have austerity in the UK and we are not going to be offering neither jobs or benefits to any migrant who has not contributed to the economy. David Cameron it is time to consider an in/out referendum and let the British people decide their own future and not a future which politicians think is right. It is called participatory Democracy where the power is transferred to the electorate.
people are saying vote ukip but the next election is in 2015. unless ukip DEPORT immigrants aswell as get us out of EU then in my opinion it is too late.
In the future, if there's any of the indiginous population left, they will say..... "why didn't you do something when it was happening?"
people can complain as much as they like but what they going to do about it,going by the recent by election in rotherham,nothing,the electorate still vote the same clowns in, they had the chance of voting UKIP in, unbelievable!
Why should we destroy our countryside to accommodate these people? They have their own countries and I would politely suggest they remain in them. Thank you.
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world?
I love the way people here are now referring to the Tories as the loony left. This is the most right wing government we have had in decades. You still don't get it do you? Until you start actually understanding why this is going on, you'll never tackle it. The Tories want mass immigration. It is good for corporate profits.
I booked an appoitment to see my doctor on Novembert 2nd. I saw him on December 3rd. and that was the first available date and time. In simple terms that is 4 weeks. And you wonder why me, my family and relatives vote UKIP. The quicker that we have a government who works for the British people the better for us all. Labour sold us down the river, and the Conservatives have lost there paddles.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too.
Enough now, although it's all too late. Why won't someone listen?
If all the people who vent their spleens in columns like this VOTED UKIP it wouldn't happen. I read the other day that more people voted for X-Factor contestants than for the most popular party in the last General Election. We only have ourselves to blame. We should all be ashamed.
What is more depressing is that we seem to forget that even though we're struggling with the every day life, trying to get by & pay our taxes, we tend to be quite racist and point fingers at these people lately. Personally I cannot help but feel sorry for them somehow, because not all of them are stealing and taking advantage of this country's system; there are genuine bulgarians and romanians out there, working honestly and paying taxes just like us. It's almost as if we'd point fingers at indian or arab people, for coming to this country and taking jobs as surgeons and dentists. Ultimately, we do rely on them. So, the way i see it, eastern european people work as cleaners or farm pickers, jobs that most british people turn down because the job is not ideal. Not only eastern european people claim house benefits. In the last five years I keep seeing children having children, qeueing to claim child benefits but rather buy themselves Iphones and not buy their children shoes or food. Sad!
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I hear people blaming con/lib coalition for this mess, frankly i believe it started a long time ago and agreements were made when labour were in power!!! so they should stop bumping thier gums about who`s to blame, If we came out of the EU can we get rid of the jobless or unemployable immigrants already here on benefits , prob not, but its maybe a start, I WILL VOTE UKIP AS SOON AS I CAN, and hope to god the government in power now gives a voice to the great british public to decide on our fate, because if this carries on there will be no great british public left!!
When are the people of this country going to realise that this is the EU plan for this country? Now the Lisbon treaty has been ratified Britain is no longer an independent state in any form. Before 2015 parliament will be disbanded and all EU states will answer directly to an EU regional Council in their country that answers directly and only to Brussels. Our defiance winning two world wars means we must be broken and humbled to the ground and preferably over run, crippled by weak economy and politically correct ideology leaving us powerless. Read the treaty. Wake up!!! - Cynical Scarlett, East Sussex, 5/12/2012 8:49>>>>>>>And that is it in a nutshell! The people of this country have been kept totally in the dark, why do you think that whatever new changes this government promise to make are either 2014/2015 ? nothing to do with a GE. Pray for your children and grandchildren they will never know the country we have always known. All their promises mean nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about a prediction of zero and a pledge to stop this open EU borders nonsense and get tough with the EU on the UK being swamped by these people?
In case you all forget, The Referendum Party came for us all in the 1997 general election to make a stand against Europe, the public did not vote for us and we said it was the last chance for UK to repel this invasion. Well you all have what you wanted. Millions of migrants, no borders, foreign parliamentary interference from unelected commissioners and so on. We warned; you all didn't heed us.
Lets save the countryside and send the Eastern Europeans home
I walked down Leytonstone high road last sunday (east london) and the first 15 groups of peopel I walked past were speaking eastern european languages (95% polish). I honestly thought i ws living in a different country!
The most fateful and disastrous development in British social history since the Great War without question.
I can make predictions. Let me think,ok, all of them are coming. That is my predictions. Please close the doors and chuck the keys away until it is too late.thank you
How many more??? Get rid of the Bloody EU membership!!!
These elite insane politicians know exactly what this is doing and they aren't about to stop it. That is why May is insisting on the bill re " data and communications" . They can shut up those of us who are moaning about subjects like immigration
Many of the indigenous populace have little or no idea that the UK is NO longer their country. You've only got to visit any city or town up and down the land and use your eyes to establish this fact. There is no sense whatsoever in filling this country to the brim with yet more and more people. Whatever is said, schools, medical care, and housing is required to accommodate the large influx. The NHS which has always been under duress is even more so now. Roads are becoming inadequate, and almost desperately overcrowded. Politicians are NOT concerned for our Welfare. Follow the Mail's Peter Hitchens advice, and STOP voting for LibLabCon because, ----- NOTHING will change, should you continue to do so.
There is no need to build any more houses, if people choose to come to this country from anywhere then they must have somewhere to live before they are allowed to settle here, if there is no homes for them, they cannot settle. By continually providing more homes for migrants, you are encouraging them to come here. As a result low skilled migrants will be unable to afford anywhere to live in this country, because demand will push up prices so hopefully they will choose somewhere else. This will also have the added benefit of stabilising a the housing market prices.
Where are all those eastern europeans in France, which is also part of the EU? - I do not see any of them. Does anybody know why?
God help us ! Once Britain have been totally crippled and becomes a 3rd world country, all these peoples who have no great love for Britain will very quickly disappear back to their homelands or some other country that's mug enough to accept them. They are no better than locusts !
This is nothing less than a trogan horse like invasion, and should be treated as one.
MADNESS!!!
The really awful thing about the East Europeans coming in droves is the fact that none of them are coming in to their Motherland like the other immigrant groups
To any EU migrant .... if all else fails in your own 'EU' country .... come to the UK. There you get everything ... and maybe even a new house .....free...!!
All the comments on here are very short sighted.a lot of migrants come and contribute to welfare system by doing the jobs that lazy British don't do cuz they on benefits.so who's worse??try and get over your racism fear and interact.i met my future wife who's from Slovakia and she has contributed £40,000 in tax and only has NHS given back to her.whereas I was born here educated here.i owe a hell of a lot more.
Housebuilding was discussed on LBC last week and the demand for housing generated by immigration was dismissed by James Whale as a 'red herring' despite caller after caller trying to highlight this. How can net inward migration of 250,000 a year not have any impact of housing demand? This is insanity and I am terrified for my kids' futures. The only grain of hope I have is the strides UKIP gained in the by-elections. Something must be done to stop this madness.
Why don't all the English move to Romania. We could make it a great country.
No benefits or health care - no immigration. How more b****y simple can it be?
Pass a law quickly making it a requirement for every new imigrant to have do serve national military service and make a tour of duty in Afghanistan clearing road mines. You would not see them for dust!
Wake up Britain UKIP is now our only hope left. Abandon the major parties, they have abandoned us, they are not listening, they want to see our country destroyed, our jobs taken, our land built upon, our roads jammed, our money taken in increased taxes to pay for all this and all the benefits we will have to pay out. Our hospitals can no longer cope with the influx of numbers, our schools are full up, teachers are having to deal with language/cultural barriers. This will only stop when we get a Government who wants to end all this, close our borders and remove us from the E.U.
WHERE IS THE ROOM FOR THIS LOT WE ARE FULL HOW MANY MOR E TIMES
This unbelievable situation is the direct responsibilty of the stupid Irish. They were the only EU nation able to have a referendum on the Nice treaty to allow the Eastern Europeans into the EU and after having creamed off the top of the EU budget themselves for a decade they then said NO to allowing the Eastern Europeans in so it was not going to happen thank God. Then, the EU mafia, as they always do, forced the Irish, a year later, to have another vote with the usual bribes and promises and to which they then said YES, let them in. So we have a lot to thank the Irish for don;'t we folks. Plonkers.
Maybe other EU countries that accuse us of always complaining may now understand why!!!!!!!!!!!!
For LG Berkshire: ...Simple really....they want to work....ours do not.
Our welfare and the NHS cannot cope with any more, and we have to build houses for them, meaning they will jump the housing queues, we must stop this flood of immigrants into our almost bankrupt country.
And still people continue to vote for the parties who encourage this destruction of the UK . Vote UKIP!
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Robbie, Nottingham: I did not realise that you lived in the USA where `it is normal to have an election every four years`. In this country the residing government can hold an election anytime it likes within the maximum of 5 YEARS. Previous elections were in 1983,87,92,97,2001,05,10. .....One of the first things that Blair said when he came into power was .......We are going to change this country, once and for all......thanks Tony.
Just drop a BIG bomb on all these country's. We won the war for them and gave them their country back but now they all want ours. Shame on all of them.
Free NHS healthcare is a myth! if your not from the UK and dont pay NI you need to have a european health insurance card. What rubbish some of you people spout because your angry, and yet fail to know the real facts. Think about this, if the people out of work in this country wanted to work, then they would be getting the jobs that the EU migrants are getting. Stop moaning about alot of jobs being minimum wage - if you dont have a skill because you failed to study hard at school and do further education then its your own fault. Get off yer backsides and work!!! If i was out of work i would do anything if it meant feeding my family - benefits do not pay enough to have a nice life. Yes you may be able to live and think your comfortable, but in reality, you cant just go out and do what you want and buy what you want on benefits. British un-skilled people expect that they should be able to get a skilled job with high pay - not gonna happen. Be realistic.
They're our best workers too. Personally,for my business they've been a Godsend, I hope to take on more of them in the new year too. All employers here ought to take heed,you won't be disappointed...
Bye Bye Britain....its all over now baby blue!
UKIP is the only is the name of the game at the next election. DEREK
VOTE UKIP they are our only hope
Vote UKIP!
Politicians are the betrayers of OUR country. I dread to think what it will be like here in 100 years time. Our children are being betrayed by groups of loony lefties who just can't see what they are doing.. Surely our children deserve better. All these idiots are interested in are green issues. For goodness sake wake up if it's not already too late.
Slovakian women are generally gorgeous. More please ;)
If the benefits paid to the legions of the layabout British underclass were stopped then they would have to find work and there would be no reason for the East Europeans to come here.
Just one million? Well done labour!
I suppose when another 2,000,000 acres have been concreted over the next influx of immigrants will demand further housing........resulting in another couple of million acres disappearing, when is someone going to say enough is enough - we will soon be flooded on every plain and no government will ever have the powers to stop it...(and why not use the 750,000 properties that are empty at the moment instead of building more)......!
What a stupid arrogant system we have ruling Britian.Dont' they realize the severe consequences overcrowding can bring.Anarchy will take place and that is just the start.We will become more dependent on other nations to feed the crowded island and also all that concrete encroaching further onto green pastures degenerates nature,the space to grow food,freedom to promote a well being etc.will all be a thing of the pass.ldiots,the lot of them
The government accuses the foreign students for taking away our money ? They actually increase our revenue , the problem is with the steady influx of people from East-European countries for quite some time now, we tend to sleep on it, David who are u fooling ? ...
Please get us out NOW
So much for the coalition's promises on immigration.
You all think it , but none of you do anything about it ( other than grumble in these comments sections ). Look at the Egyptians , demonstrating in mass numbers and demanding change. The only time Britons get together in numbers in public places is to watch fireworks ( or to riot ,loot ,and vandalize like last year)
Obviously people could,nt care less, otherwise they would,nt keep voting for even more of the same,,
The comments on this issue are awful and very hateful too- yes, thousands of Eastern Europeans have come to the EU- but think how life was under communism and you begin to understand why some many of them are leaving their countries. The majority of Eastern Europeans actually migrate to Germany, NOT the UK! I have no problems with migrants coming to the UK if they can contribute to our economy and in any case, Britain needs these people!
I hate it when someone says they do the jobs we don't want to do. Tell me this who used to do the jobs before they all came over......................the fairies???????????? Near where I live there is a chicken processing factory, that was always full of school leavers, and mothers who wanted part time work. Now it is full of eastern Europeans. The company even recruit them in there own countries, and find them somewhere to live, and bus them to work. Why do they do this.................because the company care...............................no because they get the same work done for a lower wage whilst the school leavers languish on the dole.
I've no doubt that UKIP will sort this out, and I shall be voting for them. However, despite people's worries, I'm afraid that come election time, they will still vote for the 3 traitor parties as was demonstrated in last week's by-elections. Instead of coming second, which is no better than last under our current system, there should have been 3 UKIP MP's sitting in the commons today. We get the politicians that we deserve, and if it's the same old, same old after 2015, then frankly, I will just give up the fight and watch sadly, what is left of this once great country, disappear into history, thanks to spineless MP's and those who voted for them!
As the freedom of movement of goods and people is a central pillar of the EU it's one of the competences that David Cameron cannot claw back. There is only one answer and it ain't obtained by voting for the LibLabConmen.
we get nothing for nothing anywhere in the eu, so wellcome to the land of plentythe uk is crazy, here in spain they just ignore the rules that they dont like, and it works just fine ,nothing for nothing
The guy who delivered my parcel yesterday was eastern European. I have no problem with that. He was clean polite and WOIRKING.
And just how do the other major EU countries cope with these new comers? WHY do they come to the UK in such numbers? Wouldn't be because we as usual, obey ALL the rules, instead of just the ones which suit us, like the other EU countries do? Does Germany & France etc. let them onto their health and benefits schemes? Of course Italy, and Spain welcome them and give them housing and brand new clothing? I'm sure they do?
Why can't the politicians see that this is a disaster waiting to happen? I can only conclude that they are making lots of money out of Europe and that is why they are not shouting for us to get out.We need a revolution now.
For goodness sake give us a vote to get out of EU before this island sinks without trace. Brittain is already unrecognisable!
Romanians and Bulgarians will get free access to UK jobs market next year. HOW when we have very little jobs for our own people, come on, this is madness, if you do this stop calling britsh people lazy scrangers, this Gov dont even give them a go, how can they stand upto more and more coming into our Country taking our Jobs. this Gov needs a back bone ands say NO. put wages up to a living wage then get the young back into work that will pay.
The problem is the EU; Brussels; most, if not all those who voted on joinng the Common Market; EU did so on the understanding that it meant free trading within the EU, not being controlled by the EU and certainly not being sold down the river by weak British politicians who wanted to further their own careers at the people's expense and being run by faceless; unelected EU officials. New Labour opened the flood doors to immigration in an uncontrolled manner; as it did with the banking system. Now those same people; in the new new Labour have all the answers as if nothing had happened under their watch. As for the unelected; codge up of the new Coalition government; like two school boys; they continue to squabble with each other instead of; it seems, running the country. New Labour lied about an EU referendum on Europe; the Tories lied about a Referendum, the Libdems don, want to get out of Europe; understandably because their leader worked there. The only breath of fresh air now is UKIP
Yes, nIce compatible people from a Christian background. It's the millions of non-Christians that worry me.
Daily Mail readers formed the core of the Tory vote at the last general election. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
When will papers stop only telling one side of the story, there are far more British people abroad than there are immigrants.
The lifting of these final restrictions will mark the death of the UK. We don't have enough jobs, housing, hospitals or benefits to go around as it is. The politicians that have allowed this to happen should be charged with treason for they have killed our country.
It's all very simple just put me in charge of running this country. Then watch out!
I'm simply not buying this swathes of green belt, especially as you can drive through any town or city and see large areas suitable for building.- Not A Sheep, The Real World........If in towns & cities, its not green belt. 710,000 empty homes in this Country, that the real scandal!
Heads should roll but they will never roll until you fools stop voting for LIBLABCON. Mass immigration is DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY and it must stop immediately. Why do sheeple keep voting the traitors in everytime there is an opportunity to oust them? 3 pro-immigration Labour MPs elected in the last 3 by-elections!! Idiots.
and I bet more than half are claiming money from the dole This country makes me sick This goverment make us tax paying hard workers, work till we drop and spongers and migrants, immigrants get free for all Role on the election I know where my vote will go If yu dont vote UKIP you can kiss goodbye to England for ever, because we wont exist
When are the people of this country going to realise that this is the EU plan for this country? Now the Lisbon treaty has been ratified Britain is no longer an independent state in any form. Before 2015 parliament will be disbanded and all EU states will answer directly to an EU regional Council in their country that answers directly and only to Brussels. Our defiance winning two world wars means we must be broken and humbled to the ground and preferably over run, crippled by weak economy and politically correct ideology leaving us powerless. Read the treaty. Wake up!!!
Well done New Labour.
UKIP
The government accuses foreign students for staying back n claiming benefits ? They ensure our revenue going up Mr.Cameron n on the other hand these people from East Europe takes our money , so stop fooling people, cheers !
I have no problem with letting immigrants into Britain if they are hard working. The British have become very lazy and sit back complaining about immigrants taking their jobs when they cannot get out of bed to work. If you really feel that strongly about people coming into the UK, take back the country and work hard as your ancestors did instead of being benefit scroungers.
then they wonder why we are in debt and struggling. if the eu get thier way, more countries will join the eu, for that reason only,plus the handouts. the only way is out; they haven,t stopped it within.
This is a scandal, and what about building more homes for we English citizens, before these immigrants, and all this is thanks to Tony Blair and New Labour, if you want to see a stop to this idiocy, then vote UKIP come the next election..!!!
Ukip is enough said
Good old England ... the laughing stock of the world. Have you ever seen a nation so insulted, betrayed and lied to by a collective of utter inadequate morons who have the audacity to call themselves 'Government'? We voted for this disease - maybe we should remind them why we put them in office! It's going to be too late soon - if not already.
This must be good news for the economy. Immigrants are known to be a nett contributor to the economy and the additional housing and services required would bring much needed jobs. Perhaps we should send people over to these countries to encoruage them to come here?
I should think that everyone will be voting UKIP in the next election! Surely this cannot be allowed to happen, it is a total betrayal of our children!
Successive governments have sold this country down the river totally. I can only see great hardship ahead for the majority of the population. We must have the worst politicians in the democratised world.
Of course they do. They get jobs and can bring their family who will get Benefits as well. Child Benefit, Child Tax Credits, Working Tax Credits, Disability Living Allowance or Pension Credits for Granny. They would be mad not to come here. Being locked into the EU by the Three Main Parties we will do nothing to stop it. The solution is in your hands ladies and gentlemen. UKIP or Bankruptcy for Britain. Oh, I forgot the £12 billion, plus £2 billion for Climate change, that is sent abroad.
Unfortunately we find ignorance blessing the comments of this article. Of a population of 60 million we have people suggesting that this 1.5% of people is responsible for increasing the birth rate by 30%. It is this population of the ill informed and ignorant that is more a threat to the nation and it's future than populations that are mainly encouraged to come to this country as a response to the greed of developers and the like (lower salary costs etc). Please oh Please would love to see comments that are grounded in facts and logic rather than ignorance, prejudice etc etc (Dare I say more)
So a few Eastern Europeans came to the UK to live and work. Big deal. 5.5 Million or about 9% of UK citizens live abroad, so it definitely evens out. If you're worried about someone taking your job who a) doesn't speak the language as well as you and b) hasn't had the same privileged chance at education as you, then you only have yourself to blame.
This country is barking mad.
'Romanians and Bulgarians' - for a second there, I thought it said 'Robbers and Burglars'. ...hmmm, that would have been accurate. We have no tangible benefit whatsoever from mass immigration, it has been a deliberate ploy, social engineering, to increase social tensions. So that, along with the ( ongoing) deliberate financial collapse, we will embrace their 'solution' to the crime, poverty and chaos, of EU & UN-led Global Government. Are you awake to the Globalists' scam yet?
What will the percentage be when Bulgaria, Romania and turkey are allowed in. Get out now!! Give us the vote !!
Make the social benefits unavailable to them and then see if they still want to come.
An immediate referendum on the EU is what is required...
Yhis is what you get when you vote for the lib/lab. con traitors
And still the brits will do nothing but moan about it. The leaders don't even have a mandate from the people to do this. Why has this not even challenged by the people ever? Lab refused to allow a vote when other countries had two. Lab didn't even put any restrictions in when we had long term unemployed here to deal with first. Why? Still their voters will vote them in. The parties are all the same. Will ukip really be able to do much without backing from the 3 main parties? They & all their new groups set up & with the help from the papers will stop them from changing anything. They only do this because we do nothing to stop it. - A person , Uk, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:30++++Not being sarcastic but do you really not know the reasoning behind this deliberate act of race replacement.
1.5%, yeah right. This may be the official figure but you can guarantee the true figure is much higher. We can't keep allowing these parasites to live off us. The entry rules must change and unless they have a permanent job to come to, a home, a minimum of £10,000 per member of the family, a sponsor/guarantor, a police check, medical insurance, understand they can make no claim against us for benefits for a minimum of 5 uears and know that as soon as they are no longer able to financially support themselves and their family that they have to go back to their country of birth. Other countries do this so why cant we?
It's the usual story Conservative/Labour NO Backbone only interested in their own gains, Until the people of this country have the sense to look at what is actually happening and decide to vote for a party that will get hold of the situation things are just going to get much worse. So either stop whingeing or vote for a change.
I was just wondering how many people on this forum which are complaining about taxes,migrants,NHS,birth rate,benefits and so on...have a REAL job.
Hold on...when is this going to end? Last night on the news was about 5,5000 people sleeping on the streets of London, not to mention thousands more up and down the country, young people cannnot get even the chance at a job, not to mention the strain on the NHS, schools, etc. Why are our government allowing this all to happen to the people of Britain? Our country is never going to be the ours any more, its scares me to think what the future holds, when the people born here, as were generations before become a minority (a lost culture). And the irony is we are paying for it all!
Please someone, organise an online demand for a referendum...........I would do it myself but I am no politician and I wouldn`t know where to start. If we can all pull together and demand release from the EU we could still be saved...........We`ve got to do something, come on people pull together, let`s reclaim our country before it`s ruined forever.
LibLab Con, are the enemy of the people, trouble is, most of the voters are too stupid to know or care. That is why we are where we are, and slipping fast. It can not now be stopped, THEY have the electorate where they want them,,, complient.
I HOPE THEY ALL HAVE A HOUSE - IF NOT THERE WILL BE A NICE ONE ON THE WAY WITH LOVELY COUNTRYSIDE VIEWS UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE AND THEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WILL BE LUCKY TO SEE A BLADE OF GRASS - THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A JOB OR A HOUSE THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO STAY HERE BUT OUR LAZY LOT JUST BURDEN THE TAX PAYERS A BIT MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO IMPLEMENT IT!
Sorry Mum and Dad,Sorry to all my uncles and aunts,my grandparents and my great grandparents who suffered hell through two world wars so that i could be free.I have allowed that hard won freedom to be taken from me with little or no fight against the agressors.Had they used bullets and bombs to destroy this country I could have responded but I do not know how to fight these politicians.I feel ashamed So do I but sadly they don't.
The stupid thing is - WE DON'T NEED THEM. They don't actually bring any rare or useful skills with them that cannot be filled by our home grown unemployed.
Another reason to get out of the hated EU why must we give benefits to all these uninvited baby machines??
And to think I invested 50 years of my life working for our country for it to come to this. To days politicians are weak and gutless and I can only assume the reason they don't tackle the problem head on is that they want to keep the ''ship'' afloat long enough to ''fill their boots'' so they can abandon it when the going gets to rough.Cynical ..yes but watch this space..
The sooner we are out the better. CMD Camoron should be saying to these people return home Great Britain is closed to economic migrants. Roll on 2015 when the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland can extract itself from the screw up created by Chubby the tubby Heath. Vote UKIP.
The pressure this is putting on our infrastructure is frightening . We must apply the rules tht other EU countries apply . Holland for example does not give any benefits to people moving into their country for FIVE years . If T May used they same slippery tactics as the frenchns Danish we could be ok , but we are dominated by the lefty liberals . Write to your MP and let them know how you feel , it will worry them .
This is what the useless politicians have done to our country
If my memory serves me right, parliament told us that no more than 13.000 would come. What a shower!
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I always refer the the EU as the EUSSR, looks like I am spot on. We will have most of the old Eastern Bloc welfare seekers flocking to our doors. What other country will give you a house, free medical, free education, all bills paid etc? None. Only Britain is stupid enough to do it. Want to know the reason? go on the internet and type in Frankfurt School of Subversion and you will see that the plan from the 30's is almost complete. We have to get out of the EUSSR while we still have something to salvage. After July 2014 it will be almost impossible and that's what Cameron is stalling for. - Alex, Elgin Morayshire, 4/12/2012 23:54 Click to rate Rating 1Report abuse AFTER 2014 IT WILL BE TO LATE, THAT IS WHY CaMORON AND CLEGG SIGNED AN AGREEMENT NOT TO HOLD AN ELECTION FOR 5 YEARS INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 4 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN STITCHED UP FOR GOOD.
And still the brits will do nothing but moan about it. The leaders don't even have a mandate from the people to do this. Why has this not even challenged by the people ever? Lab refused to allow a vote when other countries had two. Lab didn't even put any restrictions in when we had long term unemployed here to deal with first. Why? Still their voters will vote them in. The parties are all the same. Will ukip really be able to do much without backing from the 3 main parties? They & all their new groups set up & with the help from the papers will stop them from changing anything. They only do this because we do nothing to stop it.
Mr. Hollbobone, why don't you leave the pretend Conservative party, it is now in its death throws. Join UKIP who are the only party that will deal with issues you seem to raise.
Just a couple of comments to muddy the water.....The government, especially the Ministry of Defence have thousands of acres of land, compulsary purchased during WW2 what they will not let go of. In the 60`s I quoted on some houses to be erected in Hertfordshire, and to this date the land is still there, not been built on.....The day after the London riots, the MP for Peckham, Harriet Harman, was all over the TV saying there was no work in the area. My son is a surveyor on a plastering firm who had a social houseing contract in next door Camberwell. Part of the contract is that they have to use local labour. Despite adverts in Job Centre Plus and local papers, no one wanted a job. They are fit enough to carry a 42inch plasma,out of Currys but not a sheet of plaster board. His best workers are Romanian and Albanians, earning between £1200 and £1500 a week.
What are Brits entitled to in these countires? Surely it should be like for like when people move here.
To be a net contributor a family of 4 has to earn and pay tax on upwards of 60K. We already have to import 40% of our food. I also doubt that migrants are joining the military which helps keep the resources we need coming to this country. Migrants are treating this country as a money making hotel. It is madness to allow it or to concrete over land we need to manage food and water.
How are they going to move about? The queue at dartford crossing is already about 40 mins sometimes! But I guess that won't bother our politicians!
And who presided over this ? The dammed Political Classes thats who !
They will go back...when the booze goe's up !
Pity we can't charge our Governments with blatant disregard of the indigenous people of this Country. They have failed us.
I passed through our local maternity centre the other day and I was the only person speaking English in there.
Wen are these politicians of any color going to realise that we CANNOT afford to support these immigrants. They talk about austerity.......well close the borders. Also, those that come to our country should have to pay there own way for the first 5 years, thats includes medical housing and if they cannot support themselves then they should be deported. After 5 years of contributing via taxes etc then the system will pay for 50% of the services available and after 10 years they are entitled to the full services that this country provides. Those that come to this country and have children will be paid child benefit but this money must stay within this country and NOT transfered out the country to the country of origin. I am sure that these are not difficult things to do and the easiest thing to do it to get rid of this Political Correctness rubbish.
Just one more benefit, along with superior courts, parliament and lawmakers, that Britain gets from membership of the EU. Aren't you glad that millionaire Dave and the posh boys are looking after your interests so well? More ammo for UKIP. if you think you are paying too much tax, if you don't have a job, or a home, you know who to thank.
This was the Labour & Liberal policy to allow as many in as possible. thank goodness I have moved out for most of the year. They will want the NHS, schools and a handout as they cant work. says a lot for our MP's.
Nobody in power is listening, they don't care, they're working for the big bucks - as far as they're concerned it's profits before country always.Immigration and its consequences won't affect them in their country estates and foreign tax havens.
Romanians and Bulgarians will get free access to UK jobs market next year Its not jobs they want, its council houses and benefits. And we know what these two nationalist are famed for in Europe - crime.
Why do politicians keep saying there are not enough houses when surely they can see the problem is too many people.
The other day the newspapers were reporting a 30% increase in birth rate, I wonder why?
baby birth's up what a surprise guess where they come from, more babies, more benefits
Ridiculous,this country is a joke. I will never vote for the so called 2 main parties again or the 4th party lib dems. They have all betrayed this country over and over again.
At least East Europeans have, in the main, a strong work ethic and pay their taxes. Can't say that about some of the other migrant communities we've let in previously...
Did any politician ask the British people if they wanted wholesale immigration here?......The short answer is NO, because they know best you see...
What`s wrong with providing homes for these European Cousins ? They put up with the wonderful British Tourists and their cultural behaviour without complaint.
Unfortuntely the vast majority of those arriving from these more recent accession States, and those who are already in the UK because they have not been excluded just not legally been able to work, will not be looking for more than the very good benefits available without any contribution. Maybe we should introduce similar laws as those, for example, in one of the former communist Eastern European countries - Slovakia. To live here for more than 6 months with my (Slovak) wife I have had to register with the police who want to know how I will be living and whether I can finance myself without calling on their resources (this included providing bank statements and evidence of my income!). If unable to satisfy the police you are required to leave. Mind you, with the UK SIAC system the individuals will never be removed anyway.
YOU SAY THE JOB MARKET IM SURE YOU MUST MEAN THE BENIFIT MARKET, NHS MARKET, HOUSING MARKET AND EVERY OTHER MARKET WHERE THEY CAN GET SOMETHING FOR FREE.ALSO ALL THESE COMMUNST COUNTRIES THAT HAVE JOINED THE EU WHAT DO THEY PUT INTO IT OR ARE THEY LIKE OUR MP'S AND ARE JUST TAKERS
And the silly litte liberal do-gooders, and the simple folk who vote Labour, and the ostriches who vote Conservative will still stumble meekly into the voting booths and vote for these parties who will do nothing to save our country... We really do need a party and a leader who will confront the truth, and get us out of this mess. Is it UKIP and Farage?
And people STILL vote Labour who are responsible for this. The future ruination of what once was a proud and prosperous emigrant free country
We are all this together including the rest of Europe living here at our expense. It's scandalous!
Where would the Daily M ail be without its daily whinge about the immigrants. And what about the Western Europeans living and working in Britain, are they a different class of people?
You don't want all this Immigration!!!! Ah but don't forget to vote for those who fully want it and encourage it! You have the answer YOU could sort this out in the 2015 election! Is it that hard to understand!!!
To the borders agency staff: we know your hands are pretty tied but if you can do your best to deal with as many as you can and just hang in until the next election when we can replace this pointless government with one that will give you the power and resources to save the country.
How on earth do the government expect to sort out our fiscal mess when they let this happen. They are stupid!
"Immigrants come with new skills and new ideas. They fill a critical part in our labor market. They work hard for a better life. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they help invigorate our soul," George W. Bush Dallas 4/12/2012
How many will be claiming FREE Benefits as soon as they work out which are the most lucrative boxes to tick ? What will be the TOTAL cost to the UK Tax Payer ??? Anyone care to put a figure on that from the DM ???
And what about the 80% of ALL immigrants who came here in the past 15 years who are from OUTSIDE the EU and from the third world nations? Or are we now too scared to say that truth and are instead going to make out as though most immigration has been from Eastern Europe?
That fool Osbourne needs to plan extra spending by many millions to accommodate the hoards of immigrants heading our way not cut spending......time to vote UKIP
Put the wall back up and raise the iron curtain. Already the saturat
Anyone up for a civil war?
The majority of people in this country have never been consulted on mass immigration and don't want it. The day will come and probably not too far off where the patience of the public will snap. And those in power will only have themselves to blame. The EU has been the biggest con trick ever played and those in power have constantly fallen for it. Time is give those who really know a say which is an In/Out referendum.
can our politicians not see or care how the people of this country feel by all the green arrows on this page,or dont they care, they dont seem to be struggling, like working people. They are out of touch with reality
HOW MANY BILLIONS WOULD WE SAVE IF WE DIDNT HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS LOT, WHEN IS ENGLAND GOING TO WAKE UP AND STOP PANDERING TO THE CHAKRABATI LOT
Vote BNP. The only real protest vote!
It's a lot more than 1 million.
Why was this allowed to happen? Furthermore - thanks to the EU - those who come here from Eastern Europe will now also gain free access to our Benefits system and the NHS meaning that even more people will be entitled to live here for free at our expense. It's a national scandal.
We can all do our bit to help reverse this. Walk out of any business that employs them, support companies that use British call centers and avoid companies like kraft, cadburys and twinings tea, who have exported jobs abroad. If we don't wake up and do something they'll be absolutly nothing left, we're slowly slitting our own throats by putting up with this
Do you know what I love about this country!? It always puts the British first! ....oh wait....
A million migrants from East Europe MAY be living LEGALLY in UK but only a few weeks ago, we was told there would be 5 million from Bulgaria (its entire population) WHICH FACTS are we to believe? I thin no ONE, be they Angel, Saxon Celt or any other race that makes up UK has objections to LEGAL immigration. Tell us what OUR employees in Westminister are DOING about illegal immigration.
How about housing for the British before they start to house foreigners?UKIP please hurry up and get into power !
Immigration and workfare will bankrupt the very things that make Britain Great, the jewell in our crown the NHS, our safety net the WELFARE STATE & COUNCIL HOUSING. There is a much bigger agenda going on here, and the LIB/LAB/CON NWO ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER! Wake up people this most certainly will not benefit the 99% of us.
Headline....."Wimbledon Common turned into housing for Uncle Bulgaria"............
Our country has been swamped and ruined.
"100,000 new homes will be built to accommodate the expanding British population". Erm, isn't that "Eastern European in Britain" population?
And that's just from eastern Europe! What sort of work do they do?
NO MORE !!! If they don't have JOBS that allow them to BUY Property, then DO NOT let them in !!! Let COMMON SENSE prevail on this one. More People in means more accomodation needed ... COMMON SENSE !!!
Wonder who would work at all the low paying cleaning (starting 4am finishing 11pm!! I did not see ONE single brit doing that sort of job in none of the hotels or offices worked at) do the live in cheap babysitting (24hrs 6days out of 7 for 800 pounds), restaurant jobs (for 6 pounds an hour and be demanded the hell out of it)??? Surely not a true and obnoxiously proud of himself brit! Because you rather would sit at home getting benefits and complaining to dailymail how you spent years on education, head to toe in loans, but it's the government that is supposed to find you a job. Whatever the article was about this girl that was 'put' to work in a poundshop - oh horror!!! You need to learn to have a working etiquette, lay off the benefits yourself, suck it up or you become extinct. Always someone else is guilty for your own faults. Well, listen closely - It's not the immigrants(wether eastern european or african) that are creating this atmosphere - it's You.
I always refer the the EU as the EUSSR, looks like I am spot on. We will have most of the old Eastern Bloc welfare seekers flocking to our doors. What other country will give you a house, free medical, free education, all bills paid etc? None. Only Britain is stupid enough to do it. Want to know the reason? go on the internet and type in Frankfurt School of Subversion and you will see that the plan from the 30's is almost complete. We have to get out of the EUSSR while we still have something to salvage. After July 2014 it will be almost impossible and that's what Cameron is stalling for.
Vote BNP.
You must learn to - welcome - all our friends from the EU countries. Roll out the red carpet for all of them - by voting for any three of our - EU fanatical - parties. Please don't have anything to do with UKIP - they will only stop all this fun.
If you think the Polish were cheap labour and undercut the British worker, you haven't seen anything yet. Romanians and Bulgarians (who granted are hard workers) will undercut the Polish who in turn will end up out of work and claiming benefits just as many British have. Politicians need the courage to admit when they are wrong and adapt policies accordingly. Once this has happened the clock can never be turned back!
Provide for those British who have worked and payed taxes in Britain, cut the immigrants who come here for free housing,hospital treatment,doctors treatment,schooling and benefits etc,Cameron was going to cut immigration so he said, but then he also said he would give us a referendum on in or out of the EU. U-Turn Tories -------------
how much of a burden is that going to be on the NHS ,housing, job market , education , criminal and legal system and of course benefits, its madness all the politicians do is to cut back even more,and hike up taxes to pay for it all, surely the way forward is to say No more, at least UKIP have the guts do do something about this idiotic situation, rather than following the European line which is to ignore and put your head in the sand
My sister-in-law's mum has just be diagnosed with cancer for the second time and she has been told that they cannot do anything until end of January as they have NO beds. I feel so angry as we just how many of these beds are taken by people who have not contributed to the NHS or come here purely for the free heatlhcare. It is absolutely shameful and can only now get worse!
.The system for allocating public housing is biased against locally born people. Friends of mine living in Southampton got into extreme difficulty and eventually moved back to their home town of Brighton, to live temporally with parents. On applying to be put on the housing list they were told that they were not eligible, because by moving back to Brighton they had deliberately made themselves homeless. This ruling doesn't seem to apply to immigrants. By moving to this country have they not made themselves deliberately homeless. And please don't say that immigrants do not easily access public housing. There are hundreds around here that have.
I'm looking for work and went to a job centre cv workshop, there were two polish people there, both could barely speak English...
No building on green belts! They are there to stop the very devElopment that is being proposed. What makes this generation of government think that they are and more advanced to be right to get rid of them? We are full, no more, control our own population too - people having 9-15 kids because the state pays them to breed. Enough is enough
VOTE UKIP
I've said it before and I'll say it again...if we don't vote UKIP to change this idiocy we will all be paying for this for the rest of our lives and how do you explain to your children...well we used to have a great coutry but we gave it away? What's happening here borders on treason...hang them all.
UKIP
WAKE UP, this is all part of a bigger agenda.
Successive British Governments have betrayed the British people and allowed an invasion of this country who were never wanted by the people already here All these politicians are traitors and should be put on trial for treason starting with Blair Brown and Cameron after all immigration is stopped
They will have no allegiance to the uk and therefore a massive rise in benefit fraud, tax evasion and crime. This country will go to pot quicker than it is now.
Is the EU giving us a subsidy to cope with the HUGE impact of immigration will have on our economy? If not why not? Is there a bigger agenda going on here? It won't be long before we are bankrupt and have a technocrat forced upon us like Greece.
'And its all the loony lefts fault - Andy HB, Hebden Bridge, 4/12/2012 22:22' ++++ Yes it is, and you've left up to the looney right to offer a solution.
Sorry but I think those numbers are very wrong, THERE ARE AT LEAST 2-3 MILLION more Lithuanian and Poles living here now
Guess where all the houses, school places, hospital resources and benefit payments went? This is not right.
And the rest it's millions
Just keep on building nice warm homes on our green fields, that will keep them coming. Not Britain / Barmy
Andy HB,Hebden Bridge-come out of you nice cosy little Country Town and have a real good look around.Look at the state of this Country and then say it was not the Left Wing who did this.Blair,Brown and all the other Socialist Rabble should be Prosecuted for bringing this Country down.Whooping Couch was virtually extinct in this Country.
DM readers really get my goat. First you moan that "foreigners" are taking all the houses and then you moan because the government want to build lots of new houses. You can't have it both ways.
Lets face it. All recient Governments are CLUELESS. The people who live and go to a proper job on a daily basis in London have know the extent of this problem for years. When you can leave your house to go to work and not hear English spoken until you get to work you know something is wrong. What will this government do about it, NOTHING. They are Powerless though they say otherwise....another question ! why are so many African, South American and people from the Arabic countries being allowed to stay and work here. They are not EU Members...YET!
get us out of the EU we can then keep our green and pleasant land green
Is the EU giving us a subsidy to cope with the HUGE impact of immigration will have on our economy? If not why not? Is there a bigger agenda going on here? It won't be long before we are bankrupt and have a technocrat forced upon us like Greece.
This is happening because unlike Mr. Hollobone M.P. who I also know has been vocal about returning foreign prisoners back to their own country and well done him.. too many M.P's do not do not care what is happening to their own citizens and the effects this is having on communities.. especially women like my daughter, feeling intimidated on her way home from work and when she had my grandson with her. Thankfully we moved her a few years ago. So when I hear of this new influx it makes me angry. Nearly half of the new houses to be built will already have to be for migrants already here,,..this will only put on more pressure to build more homes. We are being dumped on.
UKIP!!
UKIP!
This is utter madness, would any of the other EU countries concrete over there green belt lands just to house immigrants, When Britain is just one mass of concrete that will get flooded regularly, when there is no jobs or money to pay these immigrants they can just go back home to there own decent country side and leave us in the mess it will cause. VOTE UKIP IT IS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO STOP THIS NONSENSE.
Nothing demonstrates the complete and utter uselessness of our Government and our politial elite in general than the inability to control our borders. LibLabCON cheerfully admit that they cannot stop an unlimited influx of foreigners - but instead of proposing to reclaim control of our borders, instead they propose to concrete over southern England to provide them with housing. This isn't going to change whilst we remain in the EU and LibLabCON are all committed to remaining under the control of Brussels. If you want your country back ....... and you want immigration severely restricted, UKIP is the only answer.
What Hitler could not achieve, Liebor and the Con-Merchants have achieved - the cultural destruction of Britain and its proud heritage. Farewell dear Britain, I shall honor you in memory as the land that gave me a fine education, gave me my rich Welsh heritage and my pride in the deeds of my forefathers. Farewell...
Is this why I'm out of work for the first time in 30 years.?
We are loosing our culture, and also will be out voted. The super-rich who now run us only care to get richer whilst the poor get poorer. People now have no choice but vote Ukip.
All the comments on here are very short sighted.a lot of migrants come and contribute to welfare system by doing the jobs that lazy British don't do cuz they on benefits.so who's worse??try and get over your racism fear and interact.i met my future wife who's from Slovakia and she has contributed £40,000 in tax and only has NHS given back to her.whereas I was born here educated here.i owe a hell of a lot more.
How much are we paying out in child benefit to immigrants who's kids don't even live here & are there stringent checks in place to make sure these kids actually exist? Is the EU offering subsidies to us for the cost of mass EU immigration & are these subsidies enough? THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ANSWERED. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN THERE IS A MUCH MORE INSIDIOUS AGENDA GOING ON HERE.
All moaning but you have no one but yourselves to blame. Too many of you taken in by Blair and his socialist lies, not once, not twice, but three times and most of you can't face it. Shame on all of you. Damn trendies have wrecked this country. I'm off.
REFERENDUM NOW - TORIES OUT!
NOTHING will stop this further immigration into the UK,- WHY ?, Answer - Because NOT one thing in the last 30 odd years has stopped the development of the Socialist EU Super State. (aka EUSSR) Anyway all the 3 main Parties, which people have voted for over and over again( Lib/Lab/Con) all want to be in the EU and they will decide your future , NOT YOU. * And just for a laugh, try these questions on your MP. " Have you read the Lisbon Treaty " ?. or this * Is it illegal to criticize the EU yet ? or *Do you think Turkey should join the EU ? or *Should the UK join the Euro.?
All moaning but you have no one but yourselves to blame. Too many of you taken in by Blair and his socialist lies, not once, not twice, but three times and most of you can't face it. Shame on all of you. Damn trendies have wrecked this country. I'm off.
Oh just great absolutely dandy !!!!
but our leaders told us kicking out all the highly skilled workers from the US was supposed to stop all this.
Kick them all out and leave the E.U. Immigration has to stop now and this country has to stop being such a soft touch for everyone including us Brits.
Sorry, I don`t understand. Why does Britain have to provide housing for immigrants ?>>>>>>>> We dont, but think about it - if you were a house building company wouldnt you want to be building as many houses as possible? its all about profits!!! if you can get the government to give planning permission on that prime bit of land that you have always wanted to build on then think of the profts!!!!!! money money money. Dont let the DM fool you into thinking the government is doing it begrudgingly.....they want their share of stamp duty, and VAT etc.....and this is the perfect excuse to finally give the go ahead. Housing company order books will be full and so will the bankers pockets when all those new mortgages get taken on at ridiculous APR's!!
People have a right to free movement within the E.U. Not free money or scrounging. Come here by all means but pay your way if not you must go back to the last point of benefits and housing. It's not our job to house all of Europe's misfits. Mr Cameron get a back bone.
There must be a bigger more INSIDIOUS AGENDA going on here. This is about breaking the back of the NHS & our safety net, the welfare state, the very things that make Britain Great. Camoron is always blaming our welfare state for the national debt but does nothing to stop immigrants claiming. Does nothing to stop benefit breeding, discourages the creation of jobs through workfare, and will be making the housing crisis worse when he raises council rents to 80% of those in the private sector pushing more into poverty & inflating the need for housing by not stopping immigration. Most immigrants will claim benefits in the form of tax credits and child benefit, plenty don't work at all like my Polish drink/drug addict neighbour from hell, parties all night till 4am, he's on the sick. I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT BUT AM EXPECTED TO WORK AND PAY FOR HIS BENEFIT SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MY LIFE HELL.
lets be fair about this;we will always have migration between countries but there does seem to be a large number who come to Britain and bring nothing with them except an open palm. We do need some controls to limit this and we MUST get some control of our borders back from the Brussels gravy train style of legislation.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault - Andy HB , Hebden Bridge, 04/12/2012 22:22 = im glad you think its all a joke , when your children have no were to go no job no home , maybe then you wont be so condisending , as a liberal you belive this ISNT the lefts fault ??? was it the right or tories who signed us away for this ? or was it gordon brown ? and yes the ash tree killer was proven to come from eastern europe BUT due to left wing policy of NOT letting anyone know incase it made them look bad , your children will probably never see an english ash , thats if the forests havent been paved to accomodate more people , where are the jobs for these people ? not up in hebden thats for sure , so carry on milking my tax money you scrounger while where i l i
Seen many new houses built lately ? No.It'll just mean we're more crowded like rats in traps with rents going up and up.
Lies, lies and more lies, two million more like. Someone should have a word in Cameron's and Osborne's ear (I can no longer put Mr in front of their names)that immigration costs. Not their business friends but the regular worker.
The money to build these houses comes from where? Pensions? Vote UKIP
Before we pay out benefits to migrants we should make them prove that they have paid into their own system, (I.E. the old stamp card is fully paid up), and that they can prove that they have actively looked for employment in their own country for a minimum period of time-just like we have to. If they fail to tick all the boxes they should be kicked out. By the way, how many more supermarket car parks need walk around car washers?
Do I recall a certain Labour PM called Mr Blair saying this would never happen and it was a figment of the media. Well Tony it has happened, add that to your list of failings.
I just don't see the benefits of being in the EU at all, its ridiculous, its scares me to think what the uk will end up like....do you wonder why the uk is in a mess.
You must email no10 or your local mp with your thoughts in this. This country can barely look after its own we cannot take anymore. We have all but lost our British identity. This country is in austere times and they want to waste our taxes on dragging more people in. Please message no10 or your mp
Have I got this right. We'll have less greenbelt land on which to produce food for an increased population so we'll be forced to import food from counties who no longer have enough resident farm workers to cultivate their land to provide sufficient surplus for export because they've moved here to claim state benefits and those who do find work here bfind it at the expense of our own workforce and send money back to their relatives out of this economy rather than spending it on the high street. This is not sound fiscal policy, Mr Cameron, this is Economic suicide.
So this is what the need for more housing is about! Vote UKIP!
Swathes of countryside will be built over, and then they will cram 20 in a room to save money, thus allowing space for even more to come. It's like building motorways; the more provision you make, the more the problem grows.
This is another reason why we are in debt but the govt targets the vulnerable among us instead of having the guts to say to Europe "NO MORE MIGRANTS"
Make life harder for those who are already here LACK OF JOBS AND SECURE HOUSING. ITS OK FOR THE SUITS, THEY GOT IT MADE
The UK and Poland have a very strong history together, particularly during WWII, so I understand that relationship (common values, common history, rule of law etc.). Poles (at least of my father's generation) didn't consider themselves from 'Eastern Europe', but the last bastion of Western Europe! And it is my understanding that the Poles end up going home at some point. However, the unchecked permanent migration of Romanians, Bulgarians etc. may prove the tipping point for the UK. I don't even live in the UK and the thought of green belt land being turned over in order to house new immigrants makes me sad.
What are they doing here? Boot them out. Stop building anymore houses for them. They have bigger countries so they should go back. Our country is too small to accommodate everybody. They are not our problems. Their countries should be dealing with their own problems. Why should we have to deal with everybody's problems?
The destruction of our British Society continues apace thanks to The Political Classes in "great" BRITAIN and their friends in Europe..
election now ukip for me
Thats why i am voting UKIP. We have idiots in power .
So many immigrants are hard working decent people,but there isn't enough jobs or housing for our own British population.How are other EU countries managing to curb the numbers entering?.We are known as a soft touch! Unfortunately we are becoming resentful towards the immigrants and more people will become racist if this situation continues.Why can't the government see what is happening and listen to the people they are paid to represent?!
" 1 million migrants now live in the UK"- AND THE REST
Plenty of quality Romanians...... we won't get them though, nor should we, Romania needs them.
Surely we have no obligation to house any immigrants. That's one way of controlling numbers. If they find there's nowhere for them to live they will soon return to their own countries.
If we are being told 'one million' then you can bet you need to double or even treble it to get the true number. My guess is around three million from eastern european states here in the UK. Don't forget, this does not include Russians and Ukranians, of which there nust be 500k - 750k.
yes we can thank the labour party for this.David Blunket said i see no reason to cap imigration.
This is all very well... but remember, 761,000 British people currently live in Spain alone. God, I don't want them back.
And we're supposed to be proud of that ?
Uk tip
I think we should bring the country to a halt.. Stop this now.....
We need workers to support our benefits system and the massive nhs. I know everyone likes to moan on here but we are desperate for them to generate an income we can tax
Our country is being destroyed from the inside by our politicians. This and previous Governments know full well it will destroy our country, however, they need millions more before they will offer a referendum on the EU, to ensure the vote goes their way. AND WE STILL DO NOTHING BUT MOAN.
Yes, you're going to accommodate the new arrivals and help them find a job when young British adults are struggling to pay off their university fees and find a job. Not to mention the fact that they will never be home owners. Well done Britain!
The Ottoman Empire once tried this approach too. I guess the eu believe that by moving and blending nationalities they will find it easier to control those nations later down the line. The continuation of the destruction of the nation state. Funny though that it was the British govt under Tony Blair that insisted on taking in the east European nations against the wishes of France and Germany .... And even more bemusing that all those who vote labour are most likely to be affected by their legacy ....
Andy HB, try opening your eyes you clown.
Selling Britain out by the pound
WHEN WILL THEY ALL REALIZE THAT WE DO NOT WANT THESE DAMN PEOPLE HERE
Get them out.....simple!
I hope my vote to UKIP next general election will reduce this to minus 1.5m!
I'm 29, my family and background is working class. My husband is Portuguese and I live in Portugal. I'm also a DM reader. Does immigration from Europe to the UK need to be stemmed? Well when I see my pregnant friend having to live in a hostel with her partner for 18 months because they can't get a council house, or having to give up their private rented homes and becoming essentially homeless because their partner is now out of work as a labourer for months every year, replaced by Poles who will work on the cheap, or my sister who had to move counties with her partner while she was pregnant because they might have a better shot at a council house there (1 year later, they still don't have one)....yes of course I think it needs to stop. These things are happening right now to real people and if you can't see it then it's not the DM readers you despise who are ignorant. But what do I know? I'm just a xenophobic, bigotted DM reader who secretely hates her foreign husband.
I watched several EU migrants exiting an expensive restaurant in Aberdeen last week dressed like typical members of a mafia outfit. It won't be long before Aberdeen has a problem with serious crime.
Stop voting Lib/Lab/CCon
We have continent size countries like Australia who are so strict on immigration, yet we are a 'million' times smaller than them and we are too complacent. The sad thing is that we will end up having so many immigrants who will probably have the right to vote and they will never vote UKIP knowing that things could get worse for them.
Britain has nothing much in common with people from eastern europe. Shut the gates, ditch the Eussr and grow the commonwealth instead.
This won't end well!
Sorry but it was game over the moment we joined the EW . Nothing will change till we get out . Cameron will not do that or give the people the right to change our minds .
When is the English / European Law going to be enforced. After 3 months with no work they must return to their home country
why can't the government see that these people are not wanted nor have any right to be here.
And what about non Europeans, nobody talks about them, only 20% of all immigration is from all Europe, 80% is from outside Europe.
And the damage will be well done before we get a chance to Vote in a Government (UKIP) that has the courage to do anything about it..
Well Dave I can tell you we are sick to the back teeth of all this immigration rubbish,and you can take that whichever way you like.Couple that with all the bad news we are going to get today,one step foreward and three back,even you can see we are pretty hacked off.I would cut a deal with Forage asap, and save us the horror of Labour and the Lib Dems ever having anything to do with the running of this country ever again.Our belts are about as tight as they will go,if that door is not shut soon I see chaos acoming.
...and you are still scratching your heads as to why we have no economic growth...... CAP IMMIGRATION!!!!!!!!!!!
Public services already at breaking point, further cysts expected to be announced later today. We're full....!!!!!!!!!!!
Politicians let them in,,,,so why look to the electorate for support for your own, and Nulabs gross miscalculation, indifference, complacency, and willingness to give away OUR TAX MONEY, AND OUR JOBS.
I went back to look where I was born in the late 1940's, it was me that was the foreigner, south east london could have been any where in the world,sadly not ENGLAND
What part of their tiny little minds thinks its a good idea to keep letting immigrants in?! They complain that there's too little jobs and the benefits system is overrun but they continue to let more and more in! We're only a small island and we've been full for a long time! Where will it stop? When our British generations fizzle out to give way to the immigrants young? They breed like rabbits! Give them all their own state in America! Would accommodate all of our unwanted guests and hundreds of thousands more!
dey tuk err jerbs!
Thank you Tony Blair. THIS is your legacy. The biggest social change to our nation and he did it without any mandate from the people. He did it on the back of a 'yes' vote to a common market which happened in 1972.!! Liar and a cheat.
As long as we continue to have such a generous benefit system that includes Housing for all incomers they will keep coming. We must be the most stupid Country in the World, there is no other Country that bends over backwards to make these Immigrants as welcome as we do. The only way to control it is not to pay out to any one that has not paid in. The Taxpayers in this Country are being squeezed to the hilt and the savers that have done the right thing are losing out big time, we have saved towards our Pension and worked all our lives and we are losing well over £100 per week on our savings and Pension. There must be many more like us. The very People that have contributed nothing are living it up at our expense. Not worth saving and looking after oneself in this Country.
and the idiots tell us how great multiculturism is for this country.
VOTE BNP!
Regarding this immigration malarkey, nothing is going to change until they housed in, or next door to politicians. As they protect themselves above all else, they aren't going to feel anything. You must make them feel.
Come to the UK, get everything for free at the taxpayers expense!!!!! Only in the UK!!!!
Referendum or revolution Cameron. The choice is yours.
eyeCU13 for someone with a masters degree you're massively naive, people from Bulgaria will come, it's free and they'll get better benefits, not every Bulgarian has a masters degree and is living it up in Denmark, the poor who have nothing have a shot in one of the world's major economies and that shot will be taken, I have a masters degree too in Biochemistry and I am now a research scientist in this wonderful country that gave us, Newton, Darwin, Hawking and Higgs, the world wide web and common law so have a bit more respect, people have reason to be upset by this unreasonable volume of immigration when youth unemployment is 21% so go and fix a computer or something.
don't get me wrong but very soon we the Brits will revolt...
When will this stop ? Hospitals are struggling, schools are overcrowded and there ARE NO MORE HOUSES. I know , tax us more, make us work longer, increase our NI contributions, raise petrol prices etc and then we can help all these poor migrants. I sleep better at night knowing i have to work till i drop so migrants can have a better life.
Is this what being in the EU has done for us. Its the reverse of the brain drain
this will continue to happen as long as we remain in the European union, is it any wonder why the countries with the highest standard of living are all outside of the EU? by a member of the EU's own admission they will make it as painful as possible for the UK to leave, out of sheer malice and spite, I'd rather have some dignity and leave than follow an idealist political agenda that is out ideas, has a failing currency and wants to become a federal state without consent, the EU is ideal for the little countries as they would be nowhere without it, but Britain can be independent and save herself.
TThey say we have built on 9% of land and that to build all these new homes, we oil need to build on only another 3%. But this represents 33% more housing than we have already in total! I bet the Swiss haven't had as many immigrants. England is already the most densely populated country in Europe. Are we going to increase our road capacity by a third as well, our railways, our hospitals, schools etc. Etc.? I might go and try to find somewhere nice to live in one of these countries they're all deserting in droves, maybe some 'lebensraum' there and nicer weather to boot.
I'm all for it when it's done in a sensible way: Our culture is made more flexible and varied, as in cuisine, while catering better for all visitors and promoting better understanding of different cultures; but It's a little late now! The EU have been emboldened by the likes of the La La, Labour Party's free-for-all access without proper checks, to impose their multi-cultureism wherever it can, and all without permission the indvidual country, leaving us open to an increase of the immigration mess we are already in; where we don't know what they do, where they are, and whether they are still here or not!
shut up moaning! and pay.........
What have we done wrong to owe these people our land and jobs? I hate the EU, paying millions a day for top few percent to prosper.
I've always said that what this country needs is more immigration. - Roger, London, 04/12/2012 17:10 It seems people are not getting your joke Roger.
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome. - Fatherofthree, Belfast, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 18:29 Well, why don't you put a couple up in your back bedroom?
No no no no no. This has got to stop. This government has lost control and has no realistic plans for the future. The loosers will be the British people. Today there will be more tax increases, more cutbacks and its the British who will have to pay whilst the eastern europeans come to this country to live in houses we provide, take our jobs, and send 25% of their money back to their own country to keep there families. Britain does not gain anything. We support our athletes in the olympics but not our country. WAKE UP, because it will all end in tears. History shows how we always fought for this country to keep it a free land, but now we are just giving it away.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY IT...... GET US OUT OF THE E.U. NOW.
I'M VOTING UKIP.
Vote ukip I certainly will be, first time ever but its pretty obvious we need the people born and bread need to act now. VOTE UKIP
Predicting immigration figures need not be a "very difficult exercise". Suspend immigration until further notice. Use our Armed Forces to patrol and protect our borders, defending our Nation against invasion being the reason for their existence. Immigration figures would then become very much easier to predict.
Only God owns the planet. You can live anywhere you want without your human right harassment.
Philip Hollobone as long as the area around your constituency is used then you may be right. But then as we all know you are a NIMBY and you will make sure that these people will be as far away from you as is possible. You are all alike and nothing has changed in all my voting life. I remember when people from the West Indies started to arrive in Britain a debate was aired on the television and your equivalent of that time also said that the housing would not be a problem but they would not be given space where he lived. I'm a seventy year old and have always voted conservative up until now. I and many others of my age will never vote for your party again, you have made more U Turns than there are junctions on the M1.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault- Andy HB , Hebden Bridge, 04/12/2012 22:22 +++++++++++That's right, attack us and call us xenophobic, anything but admit the truth about the situation in Britain and the fact that we're overcrowded.
So the 1.5% of immigrants arriving here are going to get nearly 50% of all new houses that are built ????
Please please leave europe Britain, then your famous world banking center will move to Germany, your trading options will deminish, your transport sector, farm worker sector will colapse because you have thrown out the people who do the work, please leave then the rest of us in Europe will see how the mighty rule Britania rules nothing anymore. Also stop Blaming europe, people move to Britain because you have such a soft social system, your quite happy to let the likes of some British families (story last week how British family have 15 kids)suck social benifits but if a european working mother has a baby in the uk after having worked there all her adult life and paid taxes you say she is unintitled.Make your benefit system harder to abuse, for British as well and you wont be such a soft target. Per capita other countries have the same amount of immigrants as you. Difference is other contries dont have ramapnt teenage mothers and a fake disabled population, oh but they are British!!!!
I for one (among many) am voting UKIP next time, instead of Tory. Why do we have to spoil our countryside to give free money and homes to immigrants? If we must spend our money so badly, why not pay to build them homes in their own country (which would be cheaper) and send them money to live on? If their cost of living in these other countries are lower than ours, it wouldn't cost us so much, plus there would be less of a drain on our services. By all means, let those who've established themselves here, stay, but close the floodgates now.
I for one (among many) am voting UKIP next time, instead of Tory. Why do we have to spoil our countryside to give free money and homes to immigrants? If we must spend our money so badly, why not pay to build them homes in their own country (which would be cheaper) and send them money to live on? If their cost of living in these other countries are lower than ours, it wouldn't cost us so much, plus there would be less of a drain on our services. By all means, let those who've established themselves here, stay, but close the floodgates now.
This is what comes of leaving the door open. You should have got rid of this senile attraction for the EU years ago. Now you must pay the price and subsidise everyone else in the EU bar yourselves.
Stack them high!! Why have we stopped building skyscraper housing? I don't really have a problem with people coming here if they contribute. BUT i absolutely deplore people coming here to get a house and live off benefits when we cant even look after our own. Someone commented on Churchill on here and i kind of agree. Our standard of life is bring directly impacted by freeloaders seeking a better life at our expenses. Back in the day, we would have got our rifles out and defended our borders. I don't want this to happen of course but people have fought wars to gain the right to live in other countries. I hope we don't start experiencing unrest
What I don't understand is why you guys just accept things. Form groups, protest. Make your voices heard. With social media it will just go viral. We can laws changed here if enough citizens complain and make a fuss. A lot of our new laws actually are named after someone. We have our immigration problems but our country obviously larger and we still have wide open spaces. I hope England doesn't lose its identity or lovely countrysides. Since coming on DM I am really saddened that my image of England was just a fantasy, well I knew it was, but it was a lovely fantasy.
Our idiot leaders have given away the country to demonstrate how fair and democratic they are. Oh yes, and let's not forget who voted them in.
Stupid this, why are the UK letting more people in when they are clearly full, it will be a sad day when they build on the protected green belt land, this is another reason why I moved to Vancouver. Something has got to give otherwise surely people are going to get angry and take to the streets and protest.
It's hard to comprehend that our politicians (Labour or Tory) seem to think this is OK. Their children will have to live with the consequences as well. Or maybe not if they go to posh private schools and live in Hampstead.
Send them back where they belong we dont want them,most are criminals
This sounds like a crime against nature about to happen. What a waste World War II was. Britain may as well have waved a white flag and got it over with ... a 1,000 years building a country and it only takes 70 years to destroy it.
Great...
refuse them right to stay if no housing is available. Our LITTLE country is full therefore we can no longer accommodate those wishing to settle here for economic reasons.
Another exaggerated story by the bilious DM - Stupid arses
Andy HB im guessing ur not from the uk.U must feel great now that ur knuckles arent touching the floor any more
The UK will sink without immigrants
The sinister thing is that the Government seems to be carrying out what is in effect a culling of the old people, the native Brits who worked and paid taxes all their lives, only to end up existing on a pension at starvation level, freeze to death, and be hounded out of their homes through council taxes they can't afford, into horrid nursing homes or hospitals where they are actively encouraged to die quickly. Houses, land, money and resources are diverted to make way for millions of Welfare-dependent immigrants who are guaranteed to vote for the politicians who give them most.
No No No..... don't build MORE houses. We don't need MORE houses. We need fewer people. Get out of the vile EU, close our borders and the problem is instantly solved. Our population will drop by MILLIONS. Plenty empty, boarded up houses in need of repair. Plenty brown field sites just screaming for love and attention. Leave the countryside alone. It is for US, the British people to enjoy and love. It's NOT for building on and it's NOT for immigrants. British people FIRST at all times. Vote UKIP and get us out of the much hated and corrupt EU.
We do not need anymore immigrants, we do need out of Europe. What we do need is U.K.I.P.!!!
GOD NO, NOT MORE......we must find a way to stop the pillage of Britain and breeding out of its people. Tony Blair and the treacherous left in their trendy gated communities must be so happy watching working class Brits getting shafted.....get us out of this stinking sinking Euro suicide pact....
If all this new house building is required for immigrants where are they living now. How will they afford to buy these properties as most are on minimum or agency wages and why can't they just buy the existing houses for sale of which there are plenty. Or is it that the majority indigenous population are to subsidise these properties for people brought in to this country to deliberately keep wages down due to a surplus of labour.
Get out of the EU, scrap the lawyers payday human Rights charter and don't allow the Romanians et al entry. simples!
Don't let 'em in for all our sakes
Time for that REFERENDUM. Time for a government with the BACKBONE to halt what is, I'm afraid, invasion and cultural destruction by stealth and all with the collusion of our home grown TRAITORS in the British Parliamentary EU Provincial Satrapy. Forget misplaced party loyalties, they are ALL traitors. Time to VOTE UKIP at each and every opportunity, no one else will fight for Britain.
The more the merrier, let em all come.
A point system is in order like Australia...if they don't qualify then don't let them in. Charity begins at home, remember that expression, about time that was put in place too. If we let anymore people in to bleed the government dry it's going to be again on the tax payers shoulders...shame that it has come to this...as more immigrants come in more British will move out....its disgusting that the British cannot be put first in their own country, my grandad will be turning in his grave!!
SEND THEM BACK, AND DON'T LET ANYMORE IN. SIMPLES! Sack anybody in government who cannot understand this simple principle.
They aren't wanted.
We can't afford to sustain the benefits and healthcare for people already in this country, we simply cannot afford to pay for a large influx of more immigrants. We are struggling to create enough jobs in this country, what work is there for all these immigrants? The government is supposed to be cutting the deficit how is that going to happen if we have to pay for more benefits and healthcare for hundreds of thousands of extra people? It looks like we are going to get an increase in crime as immigrants will find it hard to find work.
The answer is simple UKIP wait and see tax will have to go up to pay for EU immigrants who won't work but feast from our benefit system. I'm in Egypt with no benefit system everyone seems to get by. No housing benefit, JSA, no housing benefit here but we all get by. UK is toxic
Why do we have to let them in....... France, Holland, Spain and other countries will not, so put the full up signs on the entry doors and tell them to sod off!
As I understand it to move to some of the EU countries not only do you need a work permit, you need a written proof tha the job you are going too cant be done by their own workers for whatever reason. Furthermore you need to have a pre-entry language understanding. Furthermore if you break laws other than driving offences you are taken to the nearest airport and got rid of and your passport is logged forbidding your return. Entry into the UK started in ernest ( no pun intended) with Ernest Marples the tory minister for labour who brought in hundreds of Italians to work in the brick pits as our pit workers were striking for more money. This was the start of the tory cheap labour pool and has continued gradually ever since until more recent years when the flood gates opened. Why do they all want to come here ? Benefits for all at normal working tax payers expence. Benefit fraud and housing benefit fraud is rife, petty crime is up as well, its time to draw a line in the sand.
Swathes of countryside will be built over to accommodate new arrivals, and swathes of countryside are taken over by travelers, good luck with all that, I'm glad we got out when we did. Past and present governments have ruined a once great country, and turned their backs on the hard working tax payers, and pensioners.
NO! Britain is drowning, quite literally, under the weight of concrete and tarmac now. Europe has huge swathes of unoccupied land, Britain does not. We cannot house British people, and should absolutely not be housing immigrants. If they cannot buy a home here and support themselves financially on top of that, then they must not be allowed to come here.
The government needs to CUT SPENDING..not think of laying this terrible burden at the gate of the poor poor working people of UK, the government INFORMS us that we must prepare for this invasion. how dare they. British people should demand that Britain brings in a new law banning more immigrants from entering, tell EU where to go, we will lose control of our own country. too much damage has already been done by over population.
How about look after your own homeless first. I saw about a dozen homeless people in Birmingham today.
The need for a referendum on Europe is NOW then its problem solved ,All the "better off" E.U countrys are having the same problem ,people coming from places with a limited benifits system to ours ,come here get a free house.NHS ,maternity ,list goes on . Thats the only answer to stop our infrastructure breaking down under sheer numbers ,its a policy of madness . There wont be any greenbelt left for my grandchildren to see they will have to go to eastern europe to witness trees and wildlife in its natural habitat all due to the failings of us over the next few years . UKIP ,come on save us ,a alternative to the waste of space other 3 partys .
why is everything in the UK now geared to towards the Immigrant population, I beleive that the UK citizen should be first and foremost. but if you beleive all you you read and are told the UK citizen, is becoming or is now classed as a second class citizen. When will there a govervment who will stand up for the rights of the british citizen and start to put thier own people above the immigrant population, Why hasthe UK got to make housing available to the new wAve of immigrants that are due in the UK, if there is no room for them then they should not be allowed to enter the UK.
My theory is uncontrolled immigration has been and is being used to delay a housing market crash. It will all inevitably end in a catastrophe. This country was and is governed by lunatics. VOTE UKIP as it is not a wasted vote if UKIP can gain seats from in particular the Lib Dems.
I don't understand what restrictions there have been on Romanians? There are already many thousands of them living here.
The UK population is estimated to grow to 80 million people by 2062. Not just through immigration, but with new births and people living longer aswell. It is estimated that 5 million new homes will be needed by then to house that level of population. Those 5 million new homes have to be built somewhere.
We do not have to build over whats left of the green belt we send illegal immigrants terrorists and all the other foreign undesirables home
How many millon immigrants in the last thirty years ? All poppping off home every year with their wedge to invest ..bleeding the country , don`t need an expert to work out the shortage of housing, thence high rents, homeless. Also ..any guesses on how may new runways we`ll need ?
You should have to pay into the system for a minimum number of years before you get anything out. We dont want anymore here. Get UKIP in and get out of the EU. Its the only way we will stay british and not have to cater for millions of benefit tourists!
I hereby declare War on the Government !!!
If British workshy were prepared to take the jobs those immigrants will happily do, there would be less umemployment and less immigration. This government must be much stricter in forcing current unemployed people to wotk on the land, pick fruit and vegetables, work in chicken factories, clean streets and all those other jobs that are unpleasant and our unemployed refuse to do. There would be little to do for immigrants and the message would go out that the UK is not open for business to people from Europe.
Can we please get the heck out of Europe, what a total load of rubbish it is ending up with us Brits paying for everyone. A kindergarten would run this country better! it is disgusting that the poor people of this country are having to suffer cut backs whilst more and more people are allowed to continue flooding into this country in a highly irresponsible manner. Also when are the BANKERS going to suffer some cutbacks in their pay packets as well as some of the immoral lawyers who are sucking us all dry creating a carousel of court fees just for fun? Stop chasing the small fry and start catching some of the big fat fish.
Ted Heath and his fellow conspirators have utterly destroyed our country and there is nothing any of us can do about it. Crime will rocket, the NHS will be further burdened and our welfare bill will almost double in less than two years. The scum that reside in Westminster should be in the tower for what they have done, I am disgusted and appalled, we have been forced to accept multicultralism and heaven forbid anyone who disagrees. All part of the EU project - to destroy nation states, to rip up national common law. The UK is absolutely finished!!
What in the name of God is wrong with your Government? With all the statistics on crime and benefit cheating, they swing the doors wide open. Notwithstanding the fact they even deal with their own population as it is. The complete definition of stupidity is to do the same thing twice and expect a different result.
The people will stop it eventually if the government doesn't!
,The GOV must be crazy if this is aloud,we must exit EU now.UKIP only way to go to stop this madness. - Hed, York+++++++++++++++++++++No not aloud, they are doing it quietly. Are you the DM spell checker? Shouldn't be allowed!
If you thought the summer riots were bad you haven't seen anything yet. They will come here in their millions, parasitic foreigners who have absolutely nothing to offer our country and the economy. There are no jobs here only a welfare state designed to look after the world and his wife and to hell with the British people. Dark times are ahead, mark my words the people of this country are just about ready to snap, and snap they bloody will!
why? there is a large number of empty council housing they can use
There are already large groups of Eastern Europeans all living in tents on empty land, in wildlife sanctuaries, and disused graveyards in South London, and I seriously doubt that is the only part of our country this is happening in. Clearly this will never end until either everything has been built on so the whole country is one huge city, or the people of this country who have had enoughof being shafted, riot en-mass and all end up in jail. Where do I sign up?
What are we supposed to do about this, I really do not know, cannot believe this is about to be allowed, I feel we are all really defeated without having been given any chance to fight it!!!!!!
Stop immigration NOW! URGENT rethink needed on refugees, EU population movements and family unification, importing foreign brides and language schools. Common sense needs to used, NO new imports allowed in until 2022 and EXPORT all the above with a vengeance.
there is enough countryside for everyone.......it cannot just be the inner cities that become overcrowded, villages have turned into towns for centuries..what is the big deal, just so some wealthy people can have their own private view!
'Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans'......WHAT THE ......., This is just absolutely ridiculous, I am speachless, my next bit of comment won't get printed anyway.
Block the roads off. Civil unrest. Until this crazy crazy government afree to take us out of this madness. The Poll Tax riots, but 10 times worse.
Hurraahhh at last!! the politcal fraternity have "caught up " with the rest of us living in the real world. Look at who is always at the top of your local councils housing list!!!
This lousy excuse for a government hasnt a clue how many immigrants are here and dont care.
This is why the Labour councillors have just voted to build on farmland on the outskirts of Nuneaton in Warwickshire. It's a total disgrace.
Planning minister Nick Boles said immigrants accounted for nearly half of Britain¿s new housing needs. ============================================= It was always political and economic lunacy to permit immigration at the levels allowed during Labour's 13 years. We were already trying to deal with a massive annual shortfall of homes when hundreds of thousands of immigrants were allowed into the country every year to stay here permanently. Needless to say, EU policy prompted this folly which is now destroying our country. It may now be irretrievable, and WILL be irretrievable unless we exit the EU or stop this crazy uncontrolled immigration. (However, the countryside is NOT synonymous with Green Belt. Only a small proportion of our countryside is Green Belt - a special designation for open areas around the large conurbations like London and large towns in the Midlands. One of the main objectives of Green Belt is to prevent towns merging into one another.)
Don't forget the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Lithuanians that are STILL comming.
eyeCU13, Copenhagen, Denmark, 4/12/12 10:06 PM So your from Bulgaria Mmm do you carry a brollie by any chance with a pointy end when you go down tube stations ? Just a thought !!!
This is news DM? I sat on top of a hill in West Sussex with my daughter and grandchildren looking over the rolling hills and green fields , I said take a good look ,because it wont be here for long , it will be nothing but a houses , maybe not in my life time but most definitely in there's . The Bulgarians that are round here get their national insurance number by selling the big issue magazine , and that way they are entitled to all benefits including social housing benefit , so no rent to pay. Well at least we will not be short of big issue sellers , wow! That will really be an asset to our economy .
Why are you letting your country be destroyed?
First. Stop this flood of immigration - you know, that process which enrichens our lives and saves so many of us from having to work so that we can spend more time in the growing queues for healthcare, housing. education etc. If it has been so good for us why has our GDP not shot up in the 'good' times when countries like Germany Singapore have flown with much less of the benefits of all these extra people. Second. Having put the plug in the dam fix the housing shortage by building only small cluster homes or post war type prefabs, both of which offer quick, cheap accommodation and excellent energy efficient living. But NOT all over the green belt.
This needs to stop now!!!!!! - linda lou, somewhere, 4/12/12 10:09 PM Too late!!!! The politicians pulled the plug out and the countries down the Gurgler
Allowing Bulgarians and Romanians to arrive here with no limit to their numbers is worrying, especially if you live in places that have already experienced huge number of EU migrants such as East London. Their numbers will simply continue to grow which will place a huge burden on health, transport, welfare and education services, competition for jobs and an increase in crime at a time when jobs are scarce and public services are being cut all the time. Why doesn't the government see this? Maybe because our leaders are all wealthy people who don't use public services, have private health and education for their families while living in nice suburbs where immigrants can't afford to move. Typical out of touch politicians, they couldn't give a damn about the people they're supposed to represent.
Why are our politicians doing this to us?,there will soon be no pensions ,no nhs ,no utilites for the children of this land .What mindset thinks that only the successful entrepreneurs will come over here and improve the sytem if we house them ,we will just get the dregs of the society that they are leaving .Maybe thats the idea of the EU,get them all on one island then nuke it
The gates need closing. It's about time to government found accommodation for all those living on the street. The government put them there so they should be the ones to get them off the streets. Not making plans to house people that come over from different countrie!!!!!
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault- Andy HB, Hebden Bridge, 4/12/2012 22:22 ------ Well you are 100% right that it is the fault of the loony Lefties Andy - think we are all agreed on that.
Vote UKIP and end this madness
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunatly uncontrolled immigration will lead to resentment and more anti immigration feelings within the UK This will then lead to more radicle parties getting into parliament causing unrest & even more resentment to all immigrants Then where will it all end??
Successive governments have allowed (or actively encouraged) unrestricted immigration from the EU to create a pool of cheap labour and to dilute employment rights and drive wages down.. Politicians do not have to live with the resulting overcrowding, unemployment and resentment so they do not really care until they are in danger of being booted out office. Does anyone remember Mr Brown and "that bigoted woman" and his grovelling apology when he found that we had all heard what he really thought of the electorate.
DREAM ON SUCKERS --- This WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN to the English countryside gggrgrrrrrr
Time to get out and let Britain sink!
Mr Farage - where are you? Time for you to start your campaign although you won't have to try hard. We, the voters, are so desperate you will be overwhelmed. Please show this load of idiots what you're made of.
Im off hopefully to Canada or NZ countries with proper immigration policies. - tet1963, hove----------------------So you might be back then?
Do this party really want to be thrown out? They are going the right way about it. We do not want any more Romanians, we want to look after the British. Do Conservatives remember who they are? UKIP NOW!
Also politicians heads should roll for what they have done to this country. Guy fawkes had the right idea about them.
Most people in Europe live in cities. So why do we have to build over the countryside. so we can live in little boxes.Its much more fun to live in towns and cities.As the worlds population grows we will need all the land for agriculture.
They tuk er jerbs !!
Roll on the next electiom so I can vote UKIP
Stop moaning - you all voted for it - and judging recent bye- elections - you still are .
Too much to explain to a newspaper that doesn't allow my comments and doesn't seem to understand that by migrating to UK the Bulgarians and Romanians bring massive benefits to this economy and to local people. Each young person that comes here carries along years of education that Britain benefits for free. Spoke to John couple of months ago, a pub landlord in Bucharest, he migrated to Romania from Liverpool and wouldn't look back. Economic migration is nothing new and DM seems not to get it. - plamrad, Winchester, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 13:43 Nobody makes a net contribution to the economy unless they earn more than 30K a year so that torpedoes your platitudinous garbage for a start. Rumanians and Bulgarians should be building their own countries and should never have been allowed to enter the EU until they were standing on their own two feet. All we are getting is an international dependency culture with us at the wrong end.
Don't let them in!
The last labour rubbish we had in power ruined this country and now the rubbish we have now have continued with it.
Romania and Bulgaria have lovely countryside, I know lets all move over there ! seriously vote UKIP, stop the lunacy
And all paid for by robbing the future with junk mortgages. How well it worked in Spain , Ireland and the USA. What could possibly go wrong?
Bye bye coalition...hello UKIP
And how many British citizens are currently homeless or living in overcrowded 'homes' because we don't have enough housing stock (thanks, Thatcher for giving council tenants the right to buy but forgetting to build for the rest of us needing cheaper housing)? We do not have room for anyone else to come to our sunken island; no homes; no jobs. I am not racist but we have to ensure British citizens have homes and jobs and a safe future before anyone else. When will we have a government with common sense and backbone? Get us out of the EU and send all non-British citizens who are draining our resources - housing, schools, health services, what few jobs we have, entitlement to benefits - home.
What about an EU Referendum NOW!.
We are seeing the introduction of a "bedroom tax" and return to post-war allocations policies. Why? because the damn politicians have sleepwalked us into an overcrowding nightmare. Sooner or later the continued influx of EU and other migrants is going to lead to violent unrest, especially when people who have to give up their homes watch immigrants moving into them. Never mind relaxing the rules. Don't allow any more immigration.
DM readers seem to believe every bit of rubbish that's printed in this rag - be more discerning!
Knackered Mum, you did the right thing leaving this cesspit for the OASIS of NZ! No wardrobe doors to push on there!
Osborne - slash immigration and your financial worries are over - how simple is that? Oh, I forgot - the EU won't let us! Dismiss Parliament, then - we don't need them, and the cost savings will be equally impressive! Don't tell Davey Boy about this, though - he won't get it!
"They are coming here to work! HA HA HA! May I ask where are the jobs? - worlou, newcastle upon tyne, 4/12/2012 21:40" The jobs you are TOO Lazy to do, thats where :)
Just Dump the EU,and Stop Giving Them Our Money, it's Treason !
I'm moving out of Britain...it's now a joke!!!
Ukip is the only party who thinks have policy's that reflect the British opinions. Look at their policies, it wouldn't allow the floodgates to be left open, controlled immigration is what they promise which true British citizens want and dump 'Blairs' human rights bill which is going to destroy this country!! Go to umpire website
It's called Reverse Imperialism. We are being punished for the past. It's proof that we are being ruled by International Marxists.
It would have been even worse if Cameron had got his way and Turkey had joined the EU. He has been working on it for years but has been frustrated by other EU leaders . He knows his donors want it as it would keep wages down
No Mr Boles "WE" did not allow these people to move here - our pathetic governments did and this government has carried it on!
Please please let them in they really need our benifits.You can see them on our High streets, very hungry and selling the big issue we must give them some charity
Well excuse my French but tell them to sod off back to their own country
Why exactly do we have to give them houses? And why are they piggy backing over English born residents who don't have housing?
Ah!, I see, it must be time to totally ignore the wishes of the British general public again. Can't we have an annual bank holiday for this, then we might get it all out of the way in one go.
Several are already here. Two weeks ago I met a Romanian who was working as a taxi driver. He told us that he was brought in by a agency. Odd though, you would have thought that we have enough unemployed here to do jobs like that. As for housing them I cannot see any reason to why we are obliged to house these people. If I go to their country I doubt that I would be given the time of day with regards to housing. Tent city in Green park sounds good, get the UN in to run it. On the governments door step they will soon do something.
We're FULL. We don't have the room or prisons for more thieves and welfare clients. For crying out loud, get out of this EU burden, we can't afford it anymore. Are our politicians really that stupid that they can't see what is happening, or is their agenda to simply destroy this country ?
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 16:42 Utter racism you mean. I know a lovely Bulgarian couple. Work hard, good people. Don't talk about 'the British people' as if you speak for everyone. - graham, london, 4/12/2012 21:18....Well he certainly speaks for me and it's nothing to with racism, it's to do with common sense...Not enough housing, jobs, schools etc. Let them work hard in their own country and improve the lifestyle there !.
Its typical for DM - false informations about immigration. They joined EU in 2007 so with 7 years restrictions they will be able to come and work in the UK in 2014....
Its typical for DM - false informations about immigration. They joined EU in 2007 so with 7 years restrictions they will be able to come and work in the UK in 2014....
revolution is nigh without a doubt,taxpayers are not getting the services they pay for so why should outsiders get them for free?
People sleeping rough is up by 23%, We need to help our own before we let another load loose on our welfare, NHS and education systems, We cannot afford anymore, Direct them to Brussels or Berlin because something has to give and that something will be the patience of the British people!
I've a suspicion that the decision to build so many houses is a bit like the High Speed Train link to Birmingham that nobody wants. It is part of a grand EU plan. Must we house all those who shouldn't be here and then pay them to stay? No matter how inexpensive the house you need a JOB before you can afford to live in it. The only new employment will be short term in the construction industry. Look at Ireland and Spain, they built themselves into recession with the help of relaxed planning laws and easy loans. Government has abandoned the North. The Tories have abandoned the countryside. Have done with them all and vote UKIP to set us free to be British once more.
We need a new lot of politicians who actually represent the people of this country!We need a Churchill to defend us against the the very people who are supposed to be protecting this country !
Round my part of London: A&Es, Hospitals, GPs surgeries, Fire Stations, Council Services and Met Police are all being cut because Govt. cannot afford them. So, all that can be offered on the green belt presumably to these immigrants are benefits and council houses 'cos there aint any jobs to offer, as there are not enough for those of us already living here!! I blame the political elite who got us into this mess for their own political gains.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault
We have people who were born here who cannot find anywhere to live, why are we obliged to house immigrants? If they have no money to buy a house then send then back.
There seems to be worldwide conspiracy to bring immigrants into countries that don't want them and to provide them with housing and income. This is the modern way of invading. Just have the government do for the foreigners what they won't do for its citizens.
No!!!! We can't house our own! Britain first everyone else second. Stop this madness now! All European migrants aren't of any benefit to our economy as what they earn here goes back to their homelands! We can't afford to be part of the EU club anymore. All taxes paid should be spent in the UK, after all that's what we all pay taxes for, not for French farmers or Eastern European children that don't even live here. So sick of this! The government must listen to the people, we know better as we're the ones that have to put up with the ghettoes and crime and loss of our jobs to these people!
madness, vote UKIP
Sorry, I don`t understand. Why does Britain have to provide housing for immigrants ?
Theres no need to build on Green land. Let immigramts rent or buy, its not for us to house these newcomers. Build good quality high rise flats for the single/without kids to be housed off the Council list with some affordable to buy. Do up all the empty property everywhere North and South and free up empty shops and buildings.
tet1963. YES i have said this over and over again. you must pay in before you get anything out.
This needs to stop now!!!!!!
The Government have not, or cannot, do anything. The last Government signed us into further commitment to the EU project, so I guess they wanted this. How much more land will have to be built on to house the Greeks and other EU citizens as their economies fail; the Turks when they join the EU; as well as the usual flow in of legal and illegal immigrants from elsewhere.
We've been sold down the river for decades. No prizes for guessing who will get all the labouring jobs on the new homes and infrastructure building then! I'm holding out for a hero!
These are some hilarious comments here. I am a bulgarian and I can tell you, for sure, that barely any of us will bother to come in the the UK. Let's do some math, shall we? Our population is around 7 million, 2 of which are already living all over the world, so they are set. That leaves around 5 million, including kids and old people. Out of them how many do you think will want to go to you? Do you think that all of us will completely abandon our country and move to your supposedly haven on earth? Personally I have a masters degree from the IT University of Copenhagen and I would only consider moving if there is a lucrative job waiting for me. Nothing less is acceptable! I wouldn't bother to come for your "warm hospitality" or "wonderful weather", so that I can be a waiter or something like that. But yea, don't let the Eastern Europeans come, just have more arabs. We know you love them. And don't worry, we are not revengeful. We'll still let your drunken butts in Sunny Beach :)
Unfortunately although there are still some green bits the pleasant bits are few and far between.
UNBELIEVABLE and DANGEROUS. It beggars belief that this can be allowed to happen against the people of this country. The people's voices should be heard. VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 16:42 Pete, I think you will find that the sheeples MUST want this as they keep voting the same people in who sign up for this with the EU.
There are three empty houses on my street. Why can't they just knock them down an build new homes. It would improve my street to have neighbours!!
Good in the EU is it not???
It is is globally known that this country is a soft touch for immigrants etc , we are too soft and always will be , our government has to be seen to be doing these good turns for humanity , come on in everyone were very nice people loads of money to give away to you , homes for free , roll up roll up .
Will they be buying these homes with their hard earned wages? No... thought not; This is criminal against the tax paying public.
We do not have a responsibility to house immigrants. If they have a job then, like the British residents they can rent or buy. However, I do agree that we need to put a cap on immigration.
if these folk can't afford houses then they shouldn't be coming into the country. It is time the British government understood that.
Too much to explain to a newspaper that doesn't allow my comments and doesn't seem to understand that by migrating to UK the Bulgarians and Romanians bring massive benefits to this economy and to local people. Each young person that comes here carries along years of education that Britain benefits for free. Spoke to John couple of months ago, a pub landlord in Bucharest, he migrated to Romania from Liverpool and wouldn't look back. Economic migration is nothing new and DM seems not to get it.
When the population in this country hits the 70million mark perhaps the government at the time could provide money for the minority,indiginous populatation to get out of this once great country that politicians have ruined.
They are coming here to work! HA HA HA! May I ask where are the jobs?
Absolutely NO WAY!!
Mr Hollobone accused the Home Office of 'disgracefully underestimating' the number of likely eastern European migrants destined for the UK <<<
It is not just the housing that will be an issue, the education system, NHS, policing, welfare system etc are in for a hammering.
If ministers shut the gates, as they should, the number is quite predictable. It will be zero, plus a relatively small number of illegals who should be robustly countered.
Shut the gates! We are full!
NO! This country can't afford to house any more outsiders. There is no space left !
Wait!!! This is a time for the British to stand up; arise and be counted. This is our land, our heritage and our wealth. Enough welfare to immigrants who haven't paid in; enough houses to those who belong elsewhere, enough ... this is our land, not yours. I've always been a moderate man, God fearing and gentle towards others, forgiving and kind. But now I find my country mortgaged to Europeans who have rights I do not have, access to benefits I do not have, and now, enough is enough. Send them home.
If they come with no money no job, send them back. if they cant provide for themselves why should we VOTE UKIP. NEXT TIME ROUND. MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Local authorities do NOT have to house these so called " refugees" If they come from another EU country, or NOT, they have obviously left a home in their own country -- therefore they are VOLUNTARILY HOMELESS, and NO local authority should be providing them with housing. THAT IS THE LAW.!!!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 16:42 Utter racism you mean. I know a lovely Bulgarian couple. Work hard, good people. Don't talk about 'the British people' as if you speak for everyone.
If we don't build the houses. then there will be nowhere for new immigrants to stay. If there is no where for them to stay, then they might get the message that they would be better off in other areas of Europe which are less overcrowded. Therefore we should definitely not build these houses. Something also tells me that the actual costs of building the additional housing is going to fall on the taxpayer, therefore the answer is a resounding NOoo!
Please sign the government e petition...just how many windscreen cleaners and big issue sellers do we need?
The benefits budget and rising immigration numbers continue on a 90 degree path. The governments answer is to cut services, bleed the working classes dry and dig green belt land up to build benefit claimants and immigrant homes on it. There is of course a genuine number of genuine people on benefits and asylum seekers but how many just see the UK benefits open chequebook as being an easy option. How can the government hope to stand still nevertheless try and pay off even a fraction of the debt we owe when they give tax payers money to seemingly anyone and everyone without question.
The plan to coherse us into the Euro is entering the final leg. It will soon be time to begin to let your MP know your feelings. As sure as eggs are eggs Cameron is selling us down the river all he has to say is that no more and mean it , he is suppose to by UK's PM the buck stops with him, if not why not and if he is not then who is ? If he claims the it,s the EU's fault then he is not fit to be PM and should resign or go to the country to let us decided where our future is to be.
Tell you what, build the houses in Romania.
Both countries have a good, hard working population of youngsters that will benefit Britain. The biggest problem are the lowly educated people that will come over here in search for benefits. Bulgarians are quite nice people and they themselves don't want their young qualified people to leave and go abroad. Unfortunately for UK this is market and we have to deal with the EU laws.
SACK BOLES NOW AND CAMERON , TOO, IF HE DOES NOT ACT TO STOP THIS RIDICULOUS IDEA!! Is there a single sane politician in this country?
When the worm turns, its going to be very very nasty...
If there's no room for them, send them home!!!!!!!!!!!!
When will they learn. People want a referendum NOW to get out of Europe for one purpose only. To stop european immigrants. The so callde stupid european laws dont even come a close second
This is SO wrong, quite apart from the pressure it will put on to our public services,education, NHS, and the like. Certainly none of these entrants should be allowed ANY benefits and they should pay for healthcare. Time to consider UKIP.
Can't we use existing redundant cattle sheds and barns?
Cameron, you've sold us out. It's UKIP from now on. I only hope Farage is strong enough to resist a deal with the Torys
Britain is being strangled .and the frightened little men in westminster are still on their knees to the EU we need to wake them up as to who comes first and it isn't hoards of eastern europeans.I
I don't see why this should be necessary when there are thousands of boarded up empty houses in the North of the country.
Hyde Park has plenty of space for housing,start there.
It's up the current 'Government' to do something about this, UKIP may (at least try to) stop immigration but they will prove woefully incapable of doing anything else - they are a single issue party. I do think the DM is sensationalising this a bit - but we really do need to get tougher on those that arrive on these shores with no plans to contribute (and the ones that are here already that don't contribute - INCLUDING British people)
Comes the revolution? Something drastic has got to happen soon - someone strong enough to save the UK frommthe icompetent idiots running us into ruin.
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband wont look after the UK people .. then it is time to vote for a political party who will promote and implement the views of the masses ... UKIP
When Labour tried to make a similar estimate, they got it WRONG by a factor of 10! Build by all means, but on brownfield sites first and foremost. Greenbelt land should be used as a LAST resort, not because the developers don't want to pay for decontaminating land? As for the immigrants, how about getting the British people the homes they deserve first, before the limpwristed politicians allow the EU to force yet another open doors policy on us - then you can all kiss goodbye to the NHS for starters?
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. - THIS IS SO WRONG.
This country is governed by weak-willed traitors who have no thought for our future and are out to destroy all the country stands for. We need to be very afraid for the future of our children and grandchildren who will live in a country which will be very different from what we have known.
David you might as well just hand your door keys to Nigel, because let this happen and mark my words he's comIng for your job and your home. Don't say you weren't warned!
NO! If we haven't got the homes/space then they can't live here can they? We can't just carry on opening doors for the rest of the world when we are full and have no jobs. UKIP for me next time.
Why should we house them. Get us out of Europe.
And just HOW are all these people going to afford a MORTGAGE - even saying they manage to find a JOB in the first place ? All of you are being fooled into resenting these people, and you need to ask yourselves, ' Why' ?
Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans will mean houses being built across undeveloped land on the UK's unspoilt Green Belt AFTER READING THE ABOVE STATEMENT, HOW COME WE CANNOT BUILD HOUSES FOR OUR OWN POOR AND NEEDY, OR WOULD THAT BE ASKING TOO MUCH OF OUR LAME DUCK GOVERNMENT, POLITICIANS OF THE UK, REMEMBER WHO PUTS THE BREAD ON YOUR PLATES, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE FOR YOU.!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.- Fatherofthree, Belfast.............How about helping our own desperate people who already sleep in cardboard boxes first?? If we have any room left (which we won't) we could then help others. The Country is already full to busting with people from other Countries. Enough is Enough!!!!!!!
Sorry, there is no space for you; go home
Will ANY Country please take my family and I as refugees from what is left of OUR Country of birth! I promise that we will be self supporting and not rely on the kindness and overgenerous hospitality of any host country willing to accept us!
What about British people that need houses?
We DO NOT WANT more immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here. The Country is full up, the services can't cope, and the people are getting angry. NO MORE IMMIGRANTS!
We can't afford to house everyone as things stand. Here's a thought. Immigration should equal emigration I.e. one person leaves the UK, one person should be allowed in (That should stop this farce as I can't imagine that a significant number of Brits would wish to immigrate to either Romania or Bulgaria). And anyone entering the UK MUST be self-funding and must pay taxes in the UK. Can we please leave Europe?
so the government are going to sit back and let these people flood into the country, take benefits and housing, put the nhs on to a path of no return schools unable to cope, and with it a huge rise in crime, RIP britain
Quite simple. All immigrants go onto the housing lists at the BOTTOM. The EU cannot object to such a straight forward plan. If they get fed up with waiting they could return from whence they came and swell the housing lists there. The socialist idea that these people have priority is just unfair AND stupid. It is patently divisive of the EU to think otherwise and seems to me to be deliberately an anti British socialist attitude on their behalf. The idea that we should round down to the lowest common denominator is a previously failed policy of our last government. Why should only the British suffer these crazy policies. As I remember we only signed up to a common Market and not a united states of Europe.
All this 'Vote UKIP' business is all well and good but has anyone actually read their manifesto? I suggest people do! I found the Small Business policy particularly interesting (& borderline ridiculous)......
This is a recipe for unrest and eventual violence.tell the EU to leave us alone we are full up and lack the infrastructure and the jobs to cope with the endless immigration to satisfy Blairs and Browns dream of a utopian multicultural society with big brother Blair at the helm .Vote UKIP to get us out of this.
SIGN THE EPETITION ONLINE I've just been onto the 'epetition' ' website, this government website has lots of petitions waiting for you lot to sign them, just go to the site and search on 'immigration', at the moment there are only 157 signatures regarding Bulgarians and Romanians, come on, get it done.
And how many new schools for all the children? Thank you Mr Hollobone for (as usual) telling the truth.
Where is that fighting spirit then, have all the Lions been sissified into pussycats! Enough is Enough! We lack a real leader where is King Arthur - we need you NOW.
Stop moaning, YOU voted for it! No you didn't? Well I'm afraid you did and have done for decades. Enjoy!
Why can't we leave EU. British is poor relation.
We need to stop it NOW!! The NHS is at its limits, crime is through the roof, jobs are hard to come by, and now we will welcome more people with no skills and no money! All to enjoy free housing and full benefits! I'm selfe-employed and worked all my life, but I'm entitled to no government help, it should be the same as all these immigrants, why should get more help in the UK than there own country! I know, our government has no back bone!
NO NO NO !!!!! We are NOT obliged to house them, they are allowed to come here to work ( which the govt should have stopped for longer) , if they have no job and can't find their own accomodation, we do NOT have to find it for them or give them benefits. It's only our useless, spineless, self serving government, aided and abetted by a bloated, jobsworth bureaucracy that allows it to happen. OUT of the corrupt EU, we did not vote for it, we weren't asked if we wanted it, we were asked if we wanted free trade which is very very different. As for that idiot saying that we need more houses for the immigrants already here, as they are now British, well, you know what? An awful lot aren't UK citizens and should be relocated back to their country of origin. Enough !
How come they will build houses for immigrants what about the British people that need homes they get passed over to satisfy immigrants needs, plus the benefits they will get. When pensioners can,t afford to pay for their heating.They say the gas and oil will be running out in years to come at this rate it will run out sooner than later. We have enough congestion on the roads and public transport can,t coup.So stop them from coming in unless they have jobs to come to otherwise they will be sponging off the taxpayer.
This is so WRONG on every level what do our Politicans actually do on behalf of the indigenous population of this country?
It's all very well people commenting ' vote UKIP', but by the time the next election comes around and legislation is changed, it will probably be too late anyway.........
What lunacy has overtaken us?
Can someone please explain to me Why is it that the UK is the only country in the EU that give houses and benefits to all these immigrants from the Eastern bloc. Other countries in the EU do not have this problem and give nothing to them, WHY DO WE?
Just don't come to Scotland
This goverment has known for long enough that this was coming,why haven't they at least tried to renegotiate the deal that has stopped a mass influx up to now. To-morrow we will have Mr.Osbourne telling us we are facing at least another five years of services cut to the bone,yet the taxpayer is expected to fund every Tom,dick or harry that wants healthcare, home or handout. The next election can't come quick enough,the only trouble is will anything be left of it to vote for,because the way the 2 Ronnie's are running the show it's doubtful !!
Time to paint 'SORRY FULL UP, NO MONEY FOR BENEFITS' in 30ft letters on the white cliffs, They'll turn round and go home hopefully.
Why? What about the Brits who live in very poor rented accommodation - they would like a new new build! If we don't have the houses let immigrants stay at home - we should be housing our own first. this is another step to bring down this country to the level of the worst who are coming here to live.
There are currently 1 million empty properties in this country, if the government did more to makes these houses available to people who need homes there wouldn't be any need at all to build on green belt land.
CAMERON , WE DO NOT WANT THEM HERE THERE ARE TOO MANY IMMAGRANTS ALREADY, BUT DOES HE CARE WHAT US TRUE BRITS WANT, OF COARSE NOT WE ARE JUST PLEBS.
Rightly so. We don't need our green belt anymore. The employable Eastern Europeans also need somewhere nice to live. Excellent move for the dying economy.
I cant afford anymore taxes.
When will this Goverment learn that we the real English people have had enough of whats happening to our Great Britain.
When are the so-called "Government" going to realise that the country's struggling as it is, without letting more of the EU leeches in? It's time to place the sign on Dover cliffs "BRITAIN FULL - NO VACANCIES".
The White Cliffs should be painted with the sign "FULL UP! NO ROOM; TRY BRUSSELS"
Liebour would not tell us, Tory do not tell us and Limp dem just love of this Europe madness. So if you want a government that looks after our own interests first and will stop this then you have to vote UKIP. So sign up - you may be pleasantly surprised by their other policies. Or watch this country concreted over.
We have given all we had - please no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now you know why we will not get the vote on the EU . Until we are full up .
can someone ensure that cameron actually reads thesecomments or will they just end up as pure frustration and as usual, nothing will be done before it's too late....too late... there is only 28 days to go...take cover you've been warned!!!
Its good to see that ALL the main parties are encouraging all voters to vote UKIP!!!
the English are too weak to make a stand,we moan and groan to each other but we never make a stand it's about time we downed tools and told Cameron what we really think,but atlas it will never happen we are too weak and every foreigner no's it and so do the Conservatives
WHY!!!!!!!
Theres plenty of empty houses, if they can afford them good luck to them, if not then bad luck, we have no responsibility to give free houses to all and sundry, lord knows the British dont get them.
So no thought to the precious British countryside then, which will be increasingly denuded as the numbers increase. England's Green and Pleasant Land will become a myth before long. Tragic, if nothing is done about this timeously.
If there is going to be a referendum it needs to be soon before this influx of romanians become eligible to vote and join the other 2 million new arrivals that have come in over the last 10 year. I cant imagine all of them voting to leave the EU in a hurry. THe english could end up being outvoted on this in our own country
Philip Hollobone has a reputation of being one of the handful of totally honest & uncorruptable MPs. of both serious parties. He's right on this point, & it's time he was listened to on other subjects.
NO! NO! NO!
Nick Boles was on BBC and said something like "the built environment can be more beautiful than nature". Does our green and pleasant land mean nothing to this idiot?
Not only houses.. What about the NHS, schools etc.? God help us.
Im off hopefully to Canada or NZ countries with proper immigration policies. Doesn't any politician think oh hang on they come yo the UK for the benefits well here's a suggestion change the law so no one can claim benefits unless they have paid two years tax and NIC seems quite reasonable to me..
We need an online VOTE NOW to ensure there is an extension to the time limit for Bulgarians and Romanians to come to this country to work,so the UK can hold a referendum on the EU and our IN,OUT vote.Do the Politicians not even grasp IMMIGRATION is the single biggest issue on the Voters minds, even bigger than the Economy. Dave do you not realise if you fail on immigration we will have aLabour Government in 2015 and that is probably even more worrying than immigration .
Build up barricades!!! Burn the crops and poisson the water sources!!! Hi Hi HI... jokin, I will never ever move to Britain... why should I leave a 45 degrees continental climate country (same as Austria, Switzerland but far more cheaper), with mountains and beautiful sceneries, for a rainy crowded island???? only DM can answer... No No No !!! I shall not move to Britain !!!! Point.
Nothing to do with homes, more to do with profit for the private sector
Change the law; benfits only payable to British citizens, and British citizenship only available to those who can prove they have lived and WORKED and here for 5 years. Anyone entering on a tourist visa to have health insurance to a value of £1M. Most other countries do this, and not having the "scroungers' charter' in force here means they don't have swarms of unwanted and unsustainable immigrants.
We are full to bursting, no jobs, NHS and education stretched, and we are skint as a country. So WHY are we allowing this latest influx of eastern europeans.
Does'nt this coalition love all of these immigrants, why should we have to give them priority over our own. It is about time that Cameron and Clegg woke up to the fact that we in this country are getting fed up with their pandering and putting us to one side as though we do not belong in IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. Do as others in the EU do and stick your fingers up to those in the European Government. Britain for the British and that is what it should be.
Have we completely lost the plot here? There are people on the dole who can't find work! why let more people in to make matters worse. (or is that to simple)
I thought we had enough immigrants. So what's got into Cameron's brain, now . .?
Stuff sitting around waiting for a change that will never come...I'm filling out my application to work abroad. I'd rather pay my taxes in a country like Australia who doesn't spend it on those that don't put in the pot
Tell them they will be entitled to no benefits of any kind, and MEAN IT. It's a disgrace that there is nothing in place to prevent yet another mass invasion. The only answer is to close the borders and get out of the EU.
We MUST get the hell out of the European Union NOW NOW NOW. Why should Europe make our laws, tell us to take in anyone they decide we should have. I am ashamed to be English born, my father and thousands more men and women who sacrificed their lives for our FREEDOM would never have believed they were doing it to allow our former enemies to take our country over. UK awake, learn from history, take OUR great country back before it is to late. UKIP may be the answer give them a chance, because the present bunch of politicians in parliament are spineless
UKIP? U Bet.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!! all we can do is quit work and go on the dole before they get here , why keep working to support foreigners who've never paid a penny into the system.
stop talking cameron and actually do something constructive to stop this stupidity...none of the services in this country can cope now!!! with extra people arriving for benefits and health service, doctors surgeries are going to be swamped..stop it now-show some Battle of Britain guts!! Despair,Despair,Despair.............!!
We should not be giving housing to people who just walk into our country, they should be expected to have work and have the means to not only support themselves but also to house themselves. Lets put OUR citizens first, if we help anyone it should be our own citizens who have been on the housing lists for years.
he claims tnose already here are now British. I say no they are not, they are citizens of a traitorous elite in parliament . We true British have never been asked if we wanted immigration en masse. their has never been such TREASON conspired against a people
This is just irresponsible, large numbers of Brits are out of work, the government is creating austerity measures and now they're planning to use taxpayers' money to house these people? I don't know what's scarier: the possibility that the government is deliberately doing this for their own nefarious means, or the possibility that our leaders have no idea what they're doing.
And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?- Vlad, Bucharest, Romania +++++ No benefits to us pal and it will be just the other way around will it not? We neither need or want more people in this country and especially economic migrants. Things are bad enough here without more people coming in to make it worse for all.
Having lived in another major European country we expected nothing in the way of free housing, healthcare or benefits and worked hard to pay our way . It certainly wasn't on offer anyway with foreigners sleeping rough with no home or money provided. If the laws of Europe are the same for all why do WE always have to provide free everything.
why should we pay benefits and supply housing to people who just turn up and demand it all ,if you have not payed in you cant get anything out
So why are they coming here when there are no jobs for them and when we cannot afford to keep them? Are there no places in their own countries where houses can be built for them? There can be no sensible answer to these questions; and the only thing we Brits can do to stop it is to vote UKIP.
R.I.P. United Kingdom 1707-1997. It was great while it lasted.
Politicians, You traitors, I hate all of you for what you have done to my country, I hate all of you, a pox on both your houses, you traitors make me ashamed to be British and I hate you for it
You voted the tories in...get on with it.
Perhaps we could tell the Romanians and Bulgarians (probably all unemployable) that they can't come in until we decide whether to leave the EU or not.
What about British people I have to bid for a council flat and I'm disabled, these forieigners coming in will walk straight into a new home. I urge all British people , black, white, Asian, Chinese , as long as your British we should march and protest for our rights in our own country , we should as tax payers have priority . I lived in Portugal, no social security, no council houses, no notices in English in hospital, schools, or anywhere else why are our cowardly mps afraid to listen to public opinion and stand up for us as other countries stand up for their people.
Just maybe if they can't find anywhere to live they'll go home ?
This means that there IS shortly going to be a referendum on our leaving the EU............. Because Brussels and its gauleiters in Westminster are bringing in as many EU refugees as possible and intend to give them the right to VOTE in it..........It is, of course, ILLEGAL and in Northern Ireland the same sort of policy led to nearly 30 years of bloody violence............
What lunacy has overtaken us?
Pound to a penny, if this country were ever invaded by the military of a foreign power, the Govt. would build a runway for them to land on. We do not need to build more houses to accommodate new foreigners. If they can`t find an affordable place to live here, then they will simply have to go back to wherever they come from. They`ve already been invited here by the open border policy. We don`t have to invite them twice by building houses for them to live in - and thus destroying what little countryside remains.
Am I missing something, were a nation that is going to have stagnant economic growth for the next 5 years, we are constantly reminded of the cut backs to NHS. Local councils, we have no true understanding of the exact number of the illegal immigrants In this Country, what reduction we see in the unemployment figures is the result low paid service sector part time jobs. The Blue Chip companies take advantage of tax avoidance advice. How are we going to pay for this ?, and yet were inviting more !!. Enough is enough.
I just dont understand the logic in this at all. It's not like we dont have enought people already. STOP ruining our country with immigrants !!
Why are people who come into the country from abroad expected to be housed?
Quite frankly proper decent housing for people is far more important than empty patches of land, no matter where those people are from. - Mr Ellis, Tunbridge Wells, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 17:19 ============ I see you're a concrete jungle fan. I don't think your solution will go down well with the residents of Tunbridge Wells. Or, would Tunbridge Wells be exempt from your grand scheme.
If these people enter our country, they should not be offered free housing, let them find their own. If they can't find any housing, they will leave our country. A law must be passed for no benefits unless you have paid taxes for at least 5 years. We are skint. How can we build more hospitals to accommodate them with no money.
Your comments So now the EU rules dictate that we must not only accept more immigrants but also we must ruin our own country side and build house's for em Beggers belief
Regardless of whether they provide figures or not, this should NOT be happening. We have enough to deal with at the moment but to allow even more people in is madness. OUR government should start listening to OUR voices as we are the voice of the people. How about you start helping the people already here who work every hour under the sun to live next to an immigrant that gets to live here for free on our hard earned taxes before you allow even more in. I do wonder if one day more people in Britain will be unemployed that those who are, and who can blame them, you seem to get a better deal if you don't work. I feel sorry for all those soldiers that have sacrificed their lives for our country to watch governments both past and present let it get to this.
THE GOVERNMENT HAVE LEFT IT FAR TO LATE, AS THEY CAN ALL COME IN ON DECEMBER 31ST. AND IT IS NOW DECEMBER, THERE IS NOWT ANYBODY CAN DO. COME ON THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD.
Err... What work ?
Do we really have to put up with this? Leave the EU and end this madness!
No they won't.
That's funny, since there''ll be no jobs for them, then they'll be scrounging off the State and the Taxpayer, and those of us who are desperately trying to make ends meet . .. If anyone here believes they never voted for any of this madness, then it's time to vote accordingly . . Or you could try to ask your local MP why is immigration allowed at all . and will Mr. Cameron kindly change his mind . . . I doubt your local MP could be bothered to receive your request, but you could always try . .
TRAITORS Time to do something about this madness.
Why are immigrants only going to England a proportion should go to Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland to offset the overload on English housing and medical services . Its up to your MP'S to demand from David Cameron that every country has their fare share.
Well I hope they build these ghettos in the countryside surrounding the posh homes of Cameron & Co. To the young people of this country flee now!! as this country is becoming a mess & your Government is doing absolutely nothing about it. Are we going to build new hospitals & schools as well as houses & who's paying for this??? as most of these people will NOT be contributing to our coffers - emptying it more like.
Now you know why the Tories will not give us a vote on the EU until they get this lot in the country .
and more when Turkey join.... end this madness before we the people do it for you.
If I decided to up sticks and move to another country would I get free housing? Nope. So glad my taxes are paying for non uk citizens to have a comfortable life.
Now you know why the Tories will not give us a vote on the EU until they get this lot in the country .
People are putting a lot of faith in UKIP. If, when they have the necessary votes, they cannot/will not remove uneconomic migrants (as per Belgium) how will the situation improve?
OUT OF THE STUPID EU NOW!!!!!!
Not wanted, not a single one of them.
Nobody voted for these fools . . . or if they did, there's time to repent and support a sensible party that will do it's best for this country and it's people . .
Pull up the drawbridge and man the barricades.
And not a thought for the extra costs to NHS -Benefit system (which they will know how to get around) with impunity!! Utterly crazy and 10 to one on Flood plains!!
This is total Rubbish. Use the "Brown SITES" Therea are acres and acres of them but the builders don't want the cost of demolition and ground clearance.!
It's hopeless, none of our three son political parties are ever going to do any thing about this countries open door immigration policy. Cameron even wants 70 million Turks in the EU. So expect our decline to accelerate, this madness will only every stop when we are reduced to third word poverty levels and there is no longer any reason for migrants to flock to our shores.
Revolution and violence is heading our way unless these lunatics in Westminster listen to the people. These politicians have no mandate to allow foreigners to flood into BRITAIN.
For goodness sake enough is enough, you are not welcome at all.....we have enough of our own scum without importing any more, our once beautiful island has been diluted enough and we have no identity .... stop the benefits and most will stop coming here ....
Here's a crazy idea - why not be honest and tell them that homes and jobs aren't available and so they might as well turn around and go back home?
Don't we have enoughof our own homeless without all these extras coming here?
This is why Cameron was saying the government will relax planning laws, he said they were doing it to help kickstart the economy, what he really meant was his bosses in Brussels told him to make more room for the next wave of economic migrants to avail themselves of our benefits and health system. LibLabCon are all in thrall to the EU and are only interested in their bank accounts. Vote UKIP at every possible election, it's the UK's only chance of survival.
I just don't understanding! There certainly isen't enough low paid jobs around even for us let alone Bulgarians and Romanians!!
So does this mean I can move to Tuscany and claim a free villa and benefits from the Italian taxpayer? If not, why not? It seems the rest of Europe has the right to come to Britain and claim whatever they want. I believe this is all happening to Britain because of our own politicians. Much as I hate the EU, other countries seem able to stand up for their own people, why can't ours?
HOW ABOUT SORRY THIS COUNTRY IS FULL?? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO COPE, WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE!!! ANYONE LISTENING TO US?? I APOLOGISE, IT'S RUDE ON THESE FORUMS BUT YES I AM SHOUTING!!
Let them stay IF they can pay their way like anyone else. No money - no house, no money -no education, no money - no health service. Simple
So shut the flipping door on them - it's not rocket science, because this is our country and we do not want it destroyed.. What successive governments are doing is monstrous, no one gave them permission to destroy the this country the way they have been doing. Don't we have any legal rights over this deliberate destruction? Note to Govt...you cannot give this country away or wilfully destroy it - that is treason.
Well with this Happening it won't be "great" britain any more
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.
The vast majority Labour, Libdem and Conservative MPs want this to happen. They encourage it; they lie about it; they don't care what damage it causes to our heritage and cultural wellbeing. However, its the millions of fools who vote for such people who are to blame - aided and abetted by those who can't be bothered voting for anyone else. "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W Durrant How true.
Get us out of the EU by Monday.
Do what Belgium did if they are out of work for 3 months deport them back to their own country. They shouldn't be able to claim benefits either prefereably until they have paid taxes for 2-5 years failing that no benefits for the first three months and no social housing either.
Are they totally stupid. We do not need them and do not want them here. We cannot afford this so we should have every right to shut the door and say go away! If the EU says it must be then let us get out NOW!
The destruction of Britain by successive useless Governments with spineless politicians , it's time for UKIP I see no other way out.
Well it's only going to get worse now.Cameron has well and truly shown us all he doesn't give a damn.I honestly feel like the country is finished and things will never ever be the same again.
The bunch of incompetents who currently pretend to be a "government" are no better than the previous bunch of Labour incompetents. In fact, they are a damn sight worse, because they have not learnt a single thing from their, abject incompetence.
While there is ONE British citizen (and I MEAN) British without a home, NOT ONE immigrant should be allowed to enter this country. The privileged politicians who have decreed that we put up with this wont be the ones being crowded out of homes and hospitals! They're being kept in luxury by the rest of us who will! The population needs to be drastically REDUCED not increased
Our fathers, grandfathers and all who went before, will be turning in their graves at the manner in which this country has been led. They did not give their lives so that we could be dictated to by foreigners...and that is NOT a 'little Englander' comment, a response which is the refuge of those who have lost the argument, have no pride in the rich history of Britain, or whose roots are tenuous at best. I am proud to have hosted so many foreigners in this country, giving them a home and a sense of worth, with the vast majority respond admirably....but this East European onslaught is wrong. We cannot afford them, and we do not need them...but I am sure the lovey dovey, give it all away liberals among us will argue otherwise
We can ignore Hollobone as he is a known panic monger hoping to be reelected by the gullible xenophobes. More to the point why is there never any mention of building on the derelict sites that blight our towns and cities?
We do not have enough housing and jobs for our own - this is crazy.
No no no no no.
Have they all got jobs to go to ? (besides selling the Big Issue, or other "self-employed" means) Have they sorted out their legal accommodation and medical insurance ? The rule of Free Movement is ONLY available to those that can support themselves in all areas WITHOUT recourse to the hosting nations funds. In short as laid down in EU law they are not a burden on the hosting state. Thought not, it again is going to be a free-for-all (except the British, who fund it all, who are taking cuts in everything to fund it). OUT of the EU before we sink.
its time we the people the workers and tax payers woke up to the fact that this idiotic coalition and the labour government are distroying this country and its traditions we have had enough if some thing is not done to stop this lunacy we will be over run with crime there will be anarchy in the streets no body will be safe
Immigrants accounting to "half of all housing needs" , plus half NHS beds, plus half of benefits, half of school places, more than half of new babies born and thats before the swarm of Eastern European arrive. THEN we have to pay EXTRA to the EU. HOW THE HECK CAN WE DO ALL OF THIS WHEN WE ARE BROKE AND BORROWING MORE TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS?.
Maybe we ( joe public) should go to all border control points and actually stop these people coming in. These stooges in parliament don't listen to a word the people are saying.I am genuinely afraid for the future of my children and our heritage ,that is being eroded to appease interlopers who couldn't care less about this country .They know we're a soft touch and they're guaranteed a house and benefits.Those in power seem more interested in what's going on in other countries ,oblivious to what's going on here.We need to come out of Europe now ,and we need to dump the ridiculous ECHR. I can't wait to vote for UKIP ,at least they are listening and I like what they have to say.
This country has had it and we all put up with it because we know there is nobody that really wants to do anything about it. The government knew this was coming up Why havnt they done anything. Throw them out at the next election. We shouldnt be making immigrants welcome to live here
Close the borders.
How much longer will we tolerate this country being run from Brussels,Our politicians are the stooges of the EU.I see big trouble on the horizon,and i don't mean at the polling stations.
And they'll need to build schools for them..and hospitals!! I'm so scared, I want to leave!! These idiots don't have to be in charge for another 2 years do they? Is there some way we can all work together and get them out?
More farmland gone! Just how id this Nation expected to feed itself?
They should all be sent to Brussels . - let the inert incompetent vastly overpaid over-manned EU bureaucrats sort them out. Perhaps they could be all be accommodated in the vast lavish luxurious EU offices and expensive buildings and all given similar cushy non-jobs to those 'employed' there. Meanwhile, EU loving feeble Cameron has his head fimly stuck in the EU sands.
How easily we are giving away our land. What are we getting from EU except big invoice every month!
We really are the mugs of europe. Why do we bother to go to work anymore when all the scroungers come and get benefits. Council house of course sir but only if english is not spoken.
The final death knell for the coalition, and the parties, which leaves us with Bliars idiotic estimate of thousands which started the immediate free labour movement within the EU, whilst the other nations deferred. Remember it was Labour who introduced this when the time for election comes around, and the increase of welfare, crime, and smothering the green belt with concrete(more floods no doubt) so we can house , educate, and feed the hordes when they arrive.. all for free. Idiotic main parties never gave the electorate choice in the matter so should be punished severely at the polls. Remember, remember, when the whole culture of the nation is changed forever!!!
It's not just housing they will need but more nurseries, schools, hospitals etc. Not to mention water. I know we have had floods at the moment but that water will not always be there. Lack of water is going to be a big problem in our overcrowded island.
We did not, nor do not have to do this. Successive governments have CHOSEN to subjugate the British people to the will of Brussels. All that's required is a large NO. We owe EU nationals nothing. Unfortunately a significant number don't appear to have the good manners to be self-supporting.
I think there are Tory MP's who cant quite bring themselves to make the jump to UKIP but have decided to help them to grow from where they are until such a time they think it will be a safe bet to join.
Once again treacherous Cameron and his cronies showing complete and utter contempt for the hardworking British taxpayer.
So when swathes of equally precious social housing are taken over to accomodate previous post WW2 waves of immigration, that is OK, but the precious green ghettoes of the rural middle classes are sacrosanct? Togetherness, , eh?
And they've only just discovered this, or is it that it's safe to tell us now because they'll be breaking up for the best part of a month for the Christmas holiday, so no one will be able to question parliament about it.
And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?- Vlad, Bucharest, Romania, 4/12/2012 17:28>>>>>.I think you will find it is the other way round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This migration needs to stop. Possibly the only way MPs, Labour, LibDems and some Tories will realise the truth would be to make sure any housing built or made available for these migrants are either on their properties or immediately surrounding them, especially those coming to scrounge or steal.
Madness, madness, madness.
Stop this now. The UK has lost its ability to feed itself as it is. Please consider your food source if nothing else!
no benefits no free houses no jobs no medical aid then they won't com
GET OUT OF THE EU REFERENDUM NOW. NO WONDER THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE IN DIRE STRAITS. IF IT WAS NOT SO SERIOUS IT WOULD BE A JOKE. GET THIS RABBLE OUT. VOTE UKIP
This government would have to be totally and utterly stupid (quite possible though) to do this. You do not build over swathes of countryside to house immigrants. It makes no sense whatsoever. If there is nowhere for them to live you do not let them in. At least that is my logic. Hopefully just another scaremongering story from the good old ever reliable don't let the truth get in the way of a good story Daily Mail.
"These people now live here, these people are now British and they need homes just like other British people" ... No, they are not British. They just live here because it's convenient. If it were advantagous for them to live somewhere else then they wouldn't be here, they would be there. That is not what being British is. It isn't where you live, it's what you are. These people are merely transferrable units of labour for the capitalist elite. Pretending they are British makes being British a meaningless and valueless concept for those of us that actually are British.
if there are no houses for them its pointless them coming here send them back to there own houses.
Please note; The immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria will be moving straight through Germany, Belgium, Holland and France to make bee-line for the U.K. My question; what are these countries doing, that the U.K. isn't? Because it seems to be working.
We need all the Country to Fight the Government and put a stop to this now.What about looking after your own people. Makes me so so angry. I Loved our GREAT BRITAIN. As did all the Men and Women that fought for it. Breaks my heart to see what we have become. Someone wake up and Help take back what is OURS. Close the gates now no more this has to stop we are a sunken Island already soon to be sunk again. :( So sad what our home has become. UKIP for me and many many more people I bet.
It's not part of this country's remit to house immigrants. Turn them round at Dover - they aren't wanted or needed here.
Don't be so xenophobic. I pray to Allah they allowed to enter our land
Why don't we follow Japan, China et al...and build up ! And up!
UKIP HERE I COME
No we dont need to build in the countryside there are plenty of derelict properties/warehouses brown fill sites to be brought upto scratch, also think about cargo containers ect ect . We have water that isnt going anywhere now so how will building on more land help??? get a grip Nick....and while we are at it stop the wave of immigrants coming here it doesnt happen anywhere else in europe they seem to pick and choose who stays in their country...
Eastern Europe and beyond has already taken over Middle England, let alone the major conurbations. Please stop immigrants without at least a masters degree from a REAL university from staying in Britain - foreign students allowed to study here in approved, vetted universities but only granted 9 weeks work permit per year of study...PLEASE! Vote UKIP.
First Romania and Bulgaria-then Turkey,then Russia,then who knows. Is there any country not planning to send us their people ?
wake up England......wake up people and act!!! Your politicians are selling you out and you are becoming europes dumping ground!!!!
There are plenty of brownfield sites and it should be a priority to use these first. And it should be a priority to provide housing for the people who were born and bred here. My son has been told that it will take him 14 years to get to the top of the housing list as he's single and in his thirties. I expect they mean for him to get to housing provided for the elderly. If they haven't legalised state euthanasia by then. Our country has been thoroughly invaded without a damn shot being fired. I'm voting UKIP next time - and I hope they deliver us from the evil of Brussels and the EU.
I have not met anyone who thinks that allowing further EU immigration is a good idea. This is another example of the majority being ignored in order that our politicians future employers in the business sector and the EU are kept happy. Bring on UKIP.
OR - we just shut our borders and say no instead of pandering to the EUSSR commissars and continuing to be the free benefit rubbish bin of Europe. Or is that too easy.......?
The world has gone completely bonkers......................vote UKIP at the next election and things will change. UKIP is the answer, they are staunch anti immigration.
LET THE FLOODING BEGIN! The effects will be the devaluation of the existing housing stock and robbing existing communities of much needed resources such as schools, hospitals and rubbish collections etc.. For the last 60 or more years town planners have had a field day destroying existing communities and building over our green and pleasant land for the benefit of themselves and their butty developers, to the detriment of the country as a whole. Out of town housing, shops, schools, hospitals and industry have their place but aren't the be all and end-all solution to everything.
This is really frightening. Our beloved country is full to bursting already, our services are over stretched and we are cutting back on everything - no more. Stop this madness now,
We have seen nothing yet - the invasion starts on 1st January 2013...... The biggest worry about Romanians and Bulgarians coming over here is the crime that they bring with them. As we saw with gangs of pickpockets coming over for the Olympics it will be the criminals that come here first..... RIP UK.
Isn't life a joke in this country? First of all, there aren't any jobs and second what about local people who are on the housing list. One of my family has been waiting for 7 years to get a council house!!!
When is this madness going to stop .we are full here,no jobs for our people,NHS full to breaking point,The GOV must be crazy if this is aloud,we must exit EU now.UKIP only way to go to stop this madness.
I am sure that NO OTHER COUNTRY will build homes for immigrants..... This Country is INSANE. and so are the people/polititions for allowing it to happen. WAKE UP. !!!!!!
Why oh why should we have to build our countryside over to accommodate these people from Romania and Bulgaria? If they have work here then surely they should have accommodation lined up before they come. Are they coming here to work or to scrounge?
I'm actually now in favour of withdrawing from the EU and pronto.
Has anybody even bothered to ask the people of Britain what they want? This is just beyond madness.
Wrong
thought you had to have a job to come to, and your own accommodation before you were allowed into this country / or any EU country,. SO WHY are we going to let anyone in, when we have no jobs for our own people. CLOSE THE BORDERS< WE ARE FULL....
Wow. If ever UKIP needed a boost this is it. Peoples' patience will only be extended for so long and then SNAP.
The bad news is that several 'think tanks' have made estimates for the likely influx from Romania and Bulgaria. Though none of them are in accord, the range is between 70,000 and 140,000 for the first 3 years, purely from these two countries. That is the number who are expected to set up permanent residence. That will mean yet more wage freezes as the freely available, cheap labour arrives. Thanks Tony, thanks Cherie, your vision for the country is being realised.
"Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work..." #### Only they won't have to work though, will they? Because of EU rules requiring all EU governments to treated ALL EU citizens the same, they can apply for welfare the moment they set foot on British soil. And they won't even have to sell the Big Issue for a couple of weeks to con a gullible judge that they are 'self-employed'. The sooner UKIP wipe out the three main parties - or rather the two main parties and a soon-to-be-extinct party - the better.
Vote UKIP & end this immigration lunacy now
We can't afford them, lock the gate!
Politicians have to be absolutely open about what changes will come about due to immigration because we already have a Nation that is a gunpowder keg just waiting for any incident to set it off and for any of the consequences of immigration to be concealed would, in my view, leave the population incensed and at total war with the Establishment and the Nation pre programmed for civil strife. Will there be the kind of consequences that have been claimed? Will there a reduced quality of NHS care? Will there be a reduction in the standard of education? Will there be a reduction in old age pensions and all kinds of welfare and benefits? Will we lose the green belt? Will there be a decline in earnings because of cheap labour? Will part of the UK become foreign enclaves that are in Britain but not part of it? Millions of people are desperately worried because it does appear that there is nowhere in the world where different cultures live in the same place without extremes of violence.
I saId on here yesterday, building on another three per cent of land, increasing built-on areas from 9 per cent to 12 per cent (Bole's figures) would increase our housing stock by a third. If we are then adding another third to our estimated population of 60 odd million, that would mean the government is planning on another 20 million people needing homes. Not a scientific calculation, but as the government don't seem to have a clue how many Eastern European's are coming my guess is as good as anybodies.
I thought we had thousands of council houses empty and in need of serious renovation? If we are going to have too put up with hundreds of thousands of more immigrants put them in there instead of destroying the British countryside
................ to accommodate immigrants from........... - yes - this is exactly why the UK is the destination of choice. Do you thnk that France or any other country will do this?
There is no "have to be built over" about it. Surely now is the time to say enough is enough. This sort of news will only add to the popularity of UKIP
Call me cynical, but if immigrants didn't get everything handed to them on a plate, how many would really bother to come? G.B must have a reputation as a complete pushover, a place where the streets really are paved with gold, and you don't have to work for it either. Other countries have populations that are declining, and yet we are the mug that just lets in everyone. How much of our beautiful countryside is going to be left by the time we've housed them all? It's a tragedy. Once the green fields and the woods are submerged under concrete, that's it, we won't be able to get it back. I don't even want to imagine what this country will look like in 50 years time. Goodbye Britain, it was nice knowing you.
The bad news is that several 'think tanks' have made estimates for the likely influx from Romania and Bulgaria. Though none of them are in accord, the range is between 70,000 and 140,000 for the first 3 years, purely from these two countries. That is the number who are expected to set up permanent residence. That will mean yet more wage freezes as the freely available, cheap labour arrives. Thanks Tony, thanks Cherie, your vision for the country is being realised.
¿Britain¿s countryside is under threat from a wave of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants, MPs were warned today. Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans will mean houses being built across undeveloped land on the UK's unspoilt Green Belt when border restrictions are relaxed, it was claimed.¿ Illogical. Even if 200 millions Bulgarians and Romanians come to UK it does not follow that new houses have to be built. The rent only will go up which will definitely deter immigration. And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?
Is there any point in having our politicians, they are ineffective and will not take any action to counter the main concerns of the population, which is unrestricted immigration. I dispair
Why do we have to build houses for these people. If I emmigrated to France or italy or anywhere else do you suppose they would build me a house? I don't think so. Just stop them coming we are full up ( and fed up )
Is there any room to stand there? When I lived in my homeland UK I was homeless about four times due to lack of housing, lack of wages and a total lack of consideration to the UK public by authorities. If a country cannot/will not look after it's own, it looks devious and demented to consider adopting more from elsewhere.
heres a cunning plan , but keep it secret , when all the Romanians are finally here I suggest that we emigrate over there and rebuild a new England complete with a new Wembley Twickenham & Lords etc but NO Houses of Parliament , politicians aren´t worth taking, can´t trust em.
Vote UKIP. Vote UKIP....... e u listening?....VOTE UKIP!!!!!
This I can't understand. We are in recession so where are the jobs for these swaithes? simply there are none, most will come because of the benefits system leaving fewer people paying more to fund those who take more whilst putting in nothing. The new property build drive is driven by developers wanting profit and nothing to do with need. We are not that stupid.
everyone in the world can come here and claim all benifits but we cant claim anywhere in the world why ?
Keep your chins up folks only two years til we can vote this bunch of traitors and labour clones out and get UKIP in so we can finally stop this nonsense.
Sounds like he's digested UKIP's manifesto.
We are finished, time everybody realised this.......getting worse by the day....this is all very unnerving i must say.
THE ROAD TO RUIN SHORTENING ALL THE TIME.
Quite frankly proper decent housing for people is far more important than empty patches of land, no matter where those people are from.
Why should we ruin our once "green and pleasant land" just to accomodate immigrants who have not contributed to our economy. Britain is slowly losing it's heritage.
Don't be negative readers. Make them welcome, because they would like your job as well.
If we can't rely on the Government to put a halt to this then maybe employers could simply not employ them. Some hope though....................
The housing need for these people foisted upon us by the EU cesspool management is but a small part of the story. The NHS, education system, benefits system, there is no work for millions at the moment, the huge cultural differences, rapidly diminishing energy resources etc. This is clearly another instalment in the systematic destruction of everything British. The whole crazy circus of our involvement with the EU must end forthwith., ,
I can see massive civil unrest if this government does not put a stop to immigrants from the old eastern bloc countries coming here. It doesn't matter when there is no work for the ones that don't really want work but when the others are affected I can envisage big disturbances. You only have to look at history to see what has happened when a country's economy crumbles and unemployment rises. The indigenous population will change from moaning about foreigners taking their houses and jobs to attacking them. Extreme parties will become more powerful and immigrants will get the blame for anything and everything. Eventually it will probably end in a war and a fracturing of the state. In this case, I believe it is likely that eventually there will be such large unrest that that war will break out. It is inevitable.
Close the borders and tell the EU where to go, or better still get out of it all together, and leave what little resources we have left on this island for the people that actually belong on it.
no it won't. grow a pair and tell the EU we have no need of any more east europeans. to throw away our only resorce we have left encouraging migrants to come hear and fiddle the system would be utter stupidity.
Oh god no....
Why should we build houses for immigrants, when many of our own people can't get an affordable home. It's a real disgrace! Put our own citizens first.
Can't you do what they did on Grange Hill? Just say "No!!"
Mr Philip Hollobone and the rest of his MP colleagues already know full well that the WHOLE of Bulgaria,Romania and (soon) Turkey can freely move here if they saw fit to.But what to them would be the attraction in moving to the austerity-ridden,highly-taxed,over-crowded and multi-cultural United Kingdom ??
Then why on earth is somebody not doing anything to stop it?
No way!!
This country makes it impossible for farmers and farm workers to build homes or essential farm buildings on farm land even though they have to be on site 24/7. Councillors can and do veto attempts to erect such basic buildings, often because they are totally ignorant and not concerned with the needs of farming and country life. And yet, suddenly, it's ok to dig up what's left of our countryside in order to house a load of sponging immigrants. UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! UK!
For every unskilled migrant that comes to Britain, I'll bet one skilled Brit leaves, taking their expertise and tax payments with them. Britain will be a 2nd world country before long, highly in debt, highly uneducated, with a mass of people all dependent on the state, with no output to pay for them. Anybody who stays will be staring down the barrel of a gun. Nothing left to pay for your pensions or health services. Everything your ancestors worked for just given away. Make the last payment you ever make to the UK be the £80 cost of a passport and never look back. You've already said goodbye to the Britain you used to know.
"Britain's fields are under threat from a wave of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants". Not so. Britain's fields are under threat from greedy property developers and builders, all of which have Tory party connections. We have plenty of brownfield on which to develop, but it is less profitable. This scare story is to deflect attention from what is really going on here.
we have lost our country. our kids have no chance of getting a house, unless they get pregnant and leave their jobs.. what chance have they got now. with more and more migrants coming here ,and taking what our parents built for us through blood and sweat.... I hate the labour party with a vengence , for what they did too us... and i now hate the conservatives for not stopping this wave of migrants coming here and turning our green and pleasant fields into a slum and ghetto
UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP................. NO MORE IMMIGRATION - WE'RE FULL!!!
what idiot decided letting them in was acceptable in the first place. Hospitals. Full. Schools. Full. Crime rates. Up. No more .
I've always said that what this country needs is more immigration.
I hate to say it but I feel we need a rebellion in order to show these dimwits in power that enough is enough of the alien invasion
If a lot of British people can't afford to buy houses in the countryside and greenbelt, how the hell can dirt poor Romanians and Bulgarians? They are neither welcome nor wanted. We are fed up to the back teeth with "enrichment and diversity"!!!
In the years to come how will the people of this country live ? there will not be enough land to grow enough food to feed everyone. Migration into Britain should be stopped now and Damn the EU.
Tens of thousands of immigrants = tens of thousands leaving the spineless Tories for UKIP !!!!!
Swathes of British countryside 'will have to be built over' to accommodate expected wave of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria== says he=========================== Easy answer, don't let them in. Why do these numpties in Westminster never go for the simple answer?
Oh please, God, no more. We're full!
So do something about it like refusing them admission. What would the EU do? Throw us out? Perfect saves a referendum which would deliver the same outcome!
Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work when temporary limits expire on December 31 >>>> How does this work then? If we have so many vacancies and so many people out of work, we already have the resources to fill the jobs. If these Romanians and Bulgarians don't already live here, there is no point coming because there is no job to fill and even if there were, there is no home for them and its a bugger of a commute from Eastern Europe.
Oh. "Only" 183,000 to cram in. Or as I like to call it, nine small towns. This has to stop now. It's our last chance.
Or... shut the borders and make them stay where they are. The NHS, education and emergency services are already being pushed to breaking point, billions in foreign aid is being sent overseas to countries that DON'T need it and these migrants will only put further strain on the already stretched resources. Pull out of the EU, shut the borders and get Britain back to being Great!
Tories really are on a suicide mission as they drive people to UKIP
Pull the plug now for crying out loud. Sod Brussels, just do it.
1) there is hardly any work as it is. british people get lower chance of finding it. 2) will the NHS cope with the influx of immis as well as the [eeps living here. 3) build affordable houses for british pls not immis, i got told if i was to go through council then it would be 8 yrs before me and my 2 daughters will get out of this 1 bed flat. and diffo cant afford private as no full time work availabe. tell you what. i will vote for any party who gets us out of EU and gets rid of immis and this whole giving aid to countrys when ours is up the creek, and ofc lowers the bloody tax rates.
We are an island, like Jersey. At what point are we ALLOWED to say "no, we are full up"?? If there are no homes to house them in, they can't stay here can they? So don't build them!
Stop them before they come, stuff the E.U.
I can't believe this is happening... as a person born and raised in the countryside, this article makes me realise how precious our countryside actually is...
Yes, and when the voters get their chance the Tories and Lib/Dems could well be heading for possibly the greatest electoral defeat in modern times.
This is getting ridicules how can we let this happen we dont have enough jobs for us!!! and it would be fine if they were well trained docters and dentists but all they want is out benefits housing and NHS.
God help us !
And how are we going to afford a 'wave' of immigrants - I do not want to pay for anymore immigrants - in fact I don't want to pay for our home grown spongers. We need a revolution. Fed up.
Followed by waves of ordinary folks heading down to Parliament to string up MPs on the embankment lamp posts.
As long as they don't build near you eh! MP's safe then.
This is madness. The country is already overcrowded. The countryside is where people can take a breather from the already overcrowded transport systems. Its so sad we gave away control of our borders by signing up to the EU. Which politicians are going to show strength and are going to stand up for future generations and their quality of life? We simply don't have the capacity to cope with open borders. Total madness.
England is full we do not want any more,try asking the electorate what they want for a change.Leave the EU and it would not be a problem we have no control over.
Your comments: If the government and local councils apply the same rules that other EU countries apply , we will not have a problem . Anyone comIn here from the EU should prove they have a job to go to OR that they have enough money and income to support them selves .its that simple , but the idiots here are giving hand outs to anyone that arrives here or they get jobs after coming here . Stop the handouts , free health treatment etc and it will be same as other Eu countries , but up to now this has not happened and I doubt it will with people like Cameron running the UK
The doors need shutting on international and european migration. We need to operate a 1 in, 1 out policy.
I can't believe I'm reading this; I am a passive aggressive and I am getting quite close to aggressive aggressive if anymore of our countryside is built on, especially for foreigners. It won't happen because people won't let it. There will be a revolution. No more people in this country!
UKIP UKIP UKIP
What is the point of saying anything?!
We'll have nowhere to walk our dogs soon!
Ireland is part of Europe and there are hundreds of empty houses there, some not finished. Why couldn't these people go there? Perhaps the benefits are harder to get?
Get ready for the next statement of "we only expect a few thousand" to tip up in Treasure Island. Well Phoney Tony is Camerloons mentor, what do you expect.
How about all the other EU nationals who are entitled to come here and claim benefits straight away? As economies across the Eurozone collapse we are going to be inundated with migrants who the dwindling band of taxpayers will be expected to keep. It's a total affront to all hard-working people, many of whom are struggling to stay afloat and have less and less disposable income as living costs rise daily. Still, we should be reassured that Theresa May is looking at 'the pull factors' that attract migrants to the UK. For goodness sake woman, ask anyone you meet, everybody else knows what they are and most of us are not paid as handsomely as you.
Every like minded Briton knows that If the immigrants were not provided with housing, benefits, health care and education they would not come here - simples!!! I lived in Spain for 3 years and we had to pay for our health care plus translators if we attened the doctors surgery, town hall, solicitors, hospital etc. Look what Britain would save if we just adopted this one strategy - millions of pounds. If they are genuine asylum seekers we should make them welcome but we all know what's going on - why doesn't the Government?? God help all our grand children.
Get ready to welcome the entrepreneurs, graduates, architects, neurosurgeons and engineers flocking to our shores from Romania and Bulgaria, long may it last as obviously a large number of people in this country don't seem too bothered when they continue to vote Labour year in year out, I'm sure broke Britain can afford to accommodate all of you competing for the same scraps.
Here's a thought close the borders and keep our country green and free of scroungers.
Simple answer. Dont give them houses. If they havent got anywhere to live they will soon head back to whence they came. We make it far to comfy in Britain for foreigners. Try doing the same in their country . Fat chance
Your comments: This has been apparent for the bulk of the last decade and the policies engendered then = no one wanted to be the forst to publicly point this outb however - I wonder why??
Nobody cares that our society is collapsing around our ears and yet more immigration is going to make things worse. Civil unrest is on the horizon.
This will come true.Only a small island we cannot cope now.get out of the EU now !!!!!.
"Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work" What work? Hasn't anyone in Whitehall noticed that there are unemployed people around?
No.No.No.....
Thank you Lib-Lab-Con, the country is lost!
Why would we be building housing for them?? Surely we need more housing for people already living here?? About time we just said "No room at the inn!"
There is a large plot of land in Central London, the garden square just opposite Tony Blair's house. Perhaps we could start there ?
Sounds like another Tory who doesn't want our vote. What the LIbLabCon merchants will slowly come to realise is that a lot of us value things like our freedom, our culture and our beautiful countryside more than we value economic prosperity and we will vote for the only party that shares and will protect our values - UKIP.
There are no jobs and no houses, so why are they coming here? They should be made aware of this then they might think again. If I moved anywhere else, would that country be obliged to house me and feed me? I think not.
The final straw that broke this country's back.
Here's a thought, how about providing some AFFORDABLE housing for BRITISH first time buyers.
2013. unlucky for some. mainly us tax paying uk born brits
Don't let them in unless they can prove they have a full time job. This country is a soft touch and we are soft in the brain to allow the influx of migrants. We just cannot afford it. Stop all benefits until people have been here for two years.
We don't have to build lots of shoeboxes for EU beggars. We just need to leave the EU. ASAP.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world. Our 'open door' policy has destroyed culture, social adhesion and integration of local communities. British people have been pushed out of vast swathes of the cities as they feel they 'do not fit in' any more. Areas are overtaken, run down and culturally changed to suit immigrant areas. This has all happened in a single generation and has reached a point beyond saturation whereby we really have become 'Broken Britain'.What a sad reflection on our history.
Coming soon to a beauty spot near you! This country is full we don't have enough housing for the people already here or enough jobs so why let more people come in to live on our benefits system! This will tip us over the econimic edge and all because our politicians are weak and spineless!
Given the amazing statistic that you could build a house for everyone in the world (around 8 billion people) and they would fit inside Texas, I'm simply not buying this swathes of green belt, especially as you can drive through any town or city and see large areas suitable for building.
This whole thing is just plain stupid and totally unacceptable ! ! ! If this report in anywhere near the truth then the Government MUST act to protect us from this invasion. ANY immigrant to this country, whoever and from wherever should show that they have the means to exist and somewhere to live before being allowed in. Of course the obvious answer is to withdraw from the shackles of the EU and close our borders to unnecessary immigration but Cameron has not got the b*lls to give us the referendum.
Coming soon to a beauty spot near you! This country is full we don't have enough housing for the people already here or enough jobs so why let more people come in to live on our benefits system! This will tip us over the econimic edge and all because our politicians are weak and spineless!
Vote UKIP. Very simple answer.
Romanians and Bulgarians have been coming to the UK unchallenged ever since their countries entered the EU. Politicians seem to believe that these nationalities adhere to the terms of accession when, in reality, it would have been far too difficult for immigration staff at the borders to ascertain the true intentions of those seeking admission. As this has been the case, there is no reason why numbers of immigrants should increase because of the "relaxation" of rules. Even if the politicians are woefully ignorant of the truth, be assured that Romanians especially, and Bulgarians to a lesser degree,are fully up to speed and have been for a long time.
You would have thought that our government would have thought of this before allowing them all in - As we are in the EU send them all to France and Germany, and see how they like it.
no more were full !
Many thousands more coming to take billions out of a benefits system they have not paid a penny in to! Not just more housing, more strain on the NHS, education and taking jobs that Brits should be doing! Vote UKIP - they care about the country not the EUSSR!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy.
Enough is enough - we cannot accommodate any more people in the UK and we haven't enough homes for the people already here. We do not have to build homes for immigrants - if they cannot find their own housing they should be in the queue behind the indigenous population. One of the reasons the UK is so popular with immigrants is that their needs have been prioritised in their past and this should no longer happen. .
Well done Mr Hollobone, At least someone's keeping an open for my country. UK won't know what has hit it in a year's time.
No way. Build on brown field sites first!!!! There are plenty of those kicking around but it's easier to smack-up an ugly concreate jungle.
Time to pull up the drawbridge.
So you cant be British if you're Catholic, and the British don't overthrow regimes with violence? Do you actually know anything about Britain?
To not in my name of London- what on earth do you mean English is not a race? English is both a language and a race-generally accepted to mean those of Anglo-Saxon origin. Everyone has a race,the family name and mother tongue give a clue.
To vote BNP & UKIP should not be regarded as "protest" votes they are votes for party,s that have representative,s that were not born with silver spoons in their mouth,s. How can the the past & present government have any idea what real life is like. They dont have to struggle to pay bills, use public transport,use supermarkets, fight to get their kids in a decent school. Ask any of them how much a school lunch cost.s or a bag of spuds loaf of bread or even the "standing charge" for gas electric & phone bill they would not have a clue. They live behind high walls electric gate's & the only immigrants they know of are the rich Arab,s that live in the next house about half an acre away.
British values and traditions. A phrase used frequently by British Citizens, but only by Government when it suits them. I quote from a previous post,by ghost maker Croydonistan,***** In the last decades I feel like I have been transported to a country and time I know nothing about! Everything I have learned and valued has changed, My neighbours don't know me or interact with me, My hometown is now a slum.The hospital I was born in is unfit for purpose. The only light at the end of my tunnel of life for me is I'm nearer the end than the beginning..R.I.P MY ONCE BELOVED ENGLAND, For you DIED before ME**********I find this very moving and poetic. The British Government HAVE LOST CONTROL having SURRENDERED ITS POWERS TO THE EU, by REFUSING to get us out of it. Everything we have learned and valued has changed. This Country is no longer recognisable as Britain.
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again! - disenchanted , West Yorkshire, 07/3/2013 11:39 ----- Wrong bogey-man mate. Britain's national decline began with the fatal embrace of relativism as the old Empire slipped away. Withdrawal from the EU will not do a jot to change the violent, drunken, fornicating yobs who befoul our cities and towns. To make Britannia live again would require a moral and social revival of the kind seen in the 1830's.
I'm living in Germany and the germans aren't happy about it either.....
I know you won't hear this because like religious people you too have been brainwashed but the the royals,the titled and the obscenely rich suck the poor and poor saps like you applaud them now go and wave your silly flag
I seem to remember that when I was very young a politician by the name of Barbara Castle said something to the effect that all these people coming to our shores would be assimilated, there would not be ghettos in this country and we wouldnt notice them in a little while. She went on to suggest that any who did notice them was a racist. At that time they were coming from the West Indies. At least those early immigrants knew something about Britishness or thought they did but some must have been disappointed when they got here.
from what I've read lately, y'all have been eating enough horsemeat to qualify as being partially French, not unlike that big underground tunnel...
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again!
Sadly, writing an article like: Don't break the bonds of Britishness is, in itself, viewed with suspicion. Not by British people. It rules out the idea of a willingness to integrate with our neighbours, irrespective of nationality, race or creed. Now we have integrated, and opened up our island to everyone who belongs to the EU, we no longer have any control over this situation, legally or morally or even economically. We must work together. We cannot tolerate individuality. Neither can we go back on these EU policies. We just negotiate what might be in it for us. Any talk of losing our British identity is met with - there's that word again - suspicion. The British are a caring and generous nation. We look after everybody. Yet the limit of our willingness must have been passed many, many years ago. That would always have been my first concern. It's just common sense.
And still the sheep will vote LibLabCon !!
The whole idea was to break down the bonds of Britishness, so each Briton bereft of family, true friends and compatriots would be at the mercy of the state all alone.I think they have succeeded, and if you believe any politician who says they will try and put things right, well would you like to buy Sydney Harbour bridge, I can get you a good deal?
A BNP vote is the only protest vote.
It was all planned to be this way.....
"You may say that the virtues I described in Britishness exist largely or only in the imagination. But that is where we spend much of our lives." What on earth are you babbling about? So you're saying that because you may have made it all up thats ok because we all live our lives in fantasy land? Or did you just mean Daily Mail readers?
Dear smith123 in Basingstoke, I voted for Griffin (BNP) in the 2009 euros, and was delighted to see he got in. Never see him on the Parliament Channel though, censored by the beeb. I'm 66, and basically a lifelong tory, but no more. As of now the future is UKIP. But if they go pearshaped it will be the BNP. What else? Where the hell else do you go?
I am English. I believe I'm an endangered species. I've certainly abandoned my traditional habitat for a safer haven.
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 06/3/2013 12:10 No we will not - not until we take to the streets in our millions. Do you REALLY think that any of our politicians are actually going to let the likes of you and me unravel the carefully laid plans for a United States of Europe ? Of course not, they will bluff, bluster and lie until it is too late for us to do anything. There will not even be a chance to leave unless it is to another EU country.
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.......................................................... I bet you many pounds that they would. Hopefully we'll never find out!
Is this a serious article - stiff upper lip as a defining feature of being British. What a load of tripe
At the 2015 general election vote for UKIP. Do not believe Camerons lies regarding a referendum on the EU. Just vote UKIP in with a majority and we will be out of the EU within two weeks of Parliament opening. That is all that is needed. A cross on a voting paper against the UKIP candidates name.
Uk will become the human dustbin of Europe within five years
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria."________________________________________________________________________________________________ Poppycock. Romanians and Bulgarians are not the problem, the main problem is the non-integration of alien faiths from further afield. The other significant issue is successive governments that insist on extending benefits to people who have either never paid into the system or don't have parents or grandparents who have paid into the system. Demonising East Europeans is nothing but a pusillanimous way of skirting the real, rather trickier, issues and as such is part of the problem.
As always a great article from Andrew,our so called leaders need to remember this is our Country not theirs,they have no right to give it away,UKIP is the one party which will put a stop to this.???
I am proud to be British. Just like my ancestors were who included Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Viking and possibly in the distant past Norman/French. My children have a Belgian mother and my son in law is Italian. Thank goodness we didn't have immigration to dilute the stock of us typical English.
My real fear is that our world leaders won't let us leave the EU even if UKIP do win. Even America wants our banking organisations to remain in the EUSSR As along with Germany they intend to rule the world one day.And yes i know how daft i sound but how do we know if we have a referendum they won't rig the results.
Very poignant article. The very fabric of our country is being eroded and unless we revolt there is little we can do. The only hope is UKIP in 2015.
Historically, Cymraeg (Welsh) has also been known in English as "the British tongue" (Wiki). Also, George Orwell wrote in his Tribune column: ¿At one time I would have said that it is absurd to keep alive an archaic language like [Scots] Gaelic, spoken by only a few hundred thousand people. Now I am not so sure. To begin with, if people feel that they have a special culture which ought to be preserved, and that the language is part of it, difficulties should not be put in their way when they want their children to learn it properly. Secondly the Scottish Gaelic-speaking peasants speak beautiful English, partly, I think, because English is an almost foreign language which they sometimes do not use for days together. Probably they benefit intellectually by having to be aware of dictionaries and grammatical rules, as their English opposite numbers would not be." He was writing ¿1984¿ while living on the Isle of Jura at the time.
It is called globalization.
We are England, we speak English. Why on earth should we spend thousands and thousands of pounds printing documents in every language under the sun? If you chose to live here, take time to learn our language - there are plenty of free classes! Does anyone think about the weight it puts on teachers who have to cope with children who can't understand a word of what is going on in a class? We can all embrace different cultures in what they bring to the UK such as dance, food, literature etc, but we don't want to change to suit them, they should change to fit in with our society!
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria...." - evidence, please, Mr Alexander. Or do you subscribe to the view that if you and the other RightMinds contributors say something often enough, it becomes true?
Britain has been all but destroyed by those that have ill used her and made a profitable plaything of wars and the lives of those that died fighting them. These enemies are among us, look like us, and sound like us. All a deceipt ,as the mass privatisation (corporatisation) that began under Thatcher, curse her, has accelerated as "governments" (sic) hollowed out our great manufacturing ability, and even sent the profits of our energy industries to France and Germany while our infrastructure rots and foreign companies profit by covering our countryside in weather altering and ugly windmills. Animal farm, by Eric Blair predicted such, along with the death of clover, the strongest and best of the animals. No wonder these evil, slimy toads want secret courts. Self preservation: Strongest among the most evil diseases that afflict humanity.
They already have. To these people the definition of Britishness means absolutely nothing.
As far as I am Concerned; all the politicians from the three main parties are guilty of High Treason and I hope one day to see them sentenced accordingly.
To me, a brilliant and moving essay.
Politicians are only now being forced to acknowledge our concerns. They've known about them, they have buried their heads and made token speeches. The argument between Cons and Lab about not prosecuting employers flouting minimum wage and undercutting, it as I watched Parliament live questions yesterday tells me all I need to know about how the voters are thought of. Excessive immigration was high on the list at the last election and they have only themselves to blame for the anger that is rising and their scramble to look as though they are listening. If it hadn't been for U.K.I.P. addressing our concerns then they still, as Stuart Jackson has said on the Daily Politics, would not have the political will to sort it. We can see the balance of our community changing, hear it, everyday. This was not asked for by the voter and when I in the 60's as a young woman saw small numbers Polish, Italian and Indian in my community, there was no problem, our Britishness was in no doubt. Not now.
All Too Little ,To Late
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.
Britishness at a personal level encompasses a variety of values: the stiff upper lip (another name for self-control), a strong sense of fair play and a (lingering) sense that how you play the game is as important as whether you win. Tolerance is a key virtue. Good manners and even the instinct to queue matter..................................Yes, all the 'virtues' that got us into this mess in the first place!
The aim of most of the politicians is a European superstate with no national boundaries,an elite in charge,no citizens with citizens rights,but low-paid drones who dont own anything,and with weak family ties, as the family has been undermined by so many forces,especially education and the media. This is the new world order,which Tony Blair and Gordon Brown envisaged,-they actually said this,but this dream is not confined to left-wing or liberal politicians.The current financial crisis,may have been deliberately engineered to destabilize the world economy and bring this situation about. If this nightmare world is not want people want for themselves or their children,they need to act. The most important thing is leaving the EU to begin with.
I refuse to accept the description British. Abu Qatada and most of his supporters are British and to equate me and several million other people in this Country with those treacherous Scumbags, insults us all. I don't care what I am referred to as I have English, Welsh and Irish forebears, but British, NEVER.
The bonds of Britishness are being destroyed. It is essential in the cause to create a EU super-state. By diluting native populations in ALL European countries, mixing them up with peoples from all over Europe they are creating their vision of what the future "country" of Europe will look like. It is clear the government is playing it's part in this dilution of nations when you see the never ending refusal (or delaying) of a referendum on EU membership. The latest one we've been promised will be sometime AFTER the next election, after hundreds of thousands more EU migrants are here, every week, every day, every hour, more people from EU countries arrive here, are these people going to vote for Britain leaving the EU? Of course not! The super-state is still on course and nations are being dissolved into the mix. A referendum will not be granted until it's outcome is assured in favour of remaining in the EU.
UKIP is the only way now, the others have had their chance and did nothing. I am so cross I could even vote BNP. and God help this country if they got it in. Al - Hants
A brilliant article!
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!!
The politicians made empty promises to get into power and then reneged. Successive British governments have committed treason against this once-wonderful country, this jewel, this sceptred isle, by betraying everything and everyone. The situation can never ever be rectified, as the damage is now done. I detest them for selling us down the river, by going against everything and allowing unlimited immigration and overseeing our demise. You will never be forgiven.
Oh Wyrdtimes, you are so right. Whilst we can enjoy the richness of our United Kingdom, the four nations that constitute it are very different, a fact which our politicians appear to recognise with only three of them. Please, please can you let me know why we are not allowed an English parliament and why nobody said anything when our sister nations were devolving around us? Why are we, the largest of the four nations, not given the same rights as our northern and western counterparts? Perhaps it is because, as this article about ENGLISHNESS states we apologise for our very being, maintain a stiff upper lip in the face of adversity and just get on with it when we are so unfairly treated. Would that we displayed some of the more demanding characteristics of our French neighbours!
Two separate but related issues here: National Identity & Immigration. The former should never be used to justify restricting the latter because we have always been a nation of immigrants. Sometimes brutally like 1066, the origins of our present monarchy. It is the numbers game & its impact on jobs, housing & public services which matters most. Practical things, not ethereal things. Good to see Andrew trying to define Britishness, a concept which only goes back to the 1707 Act of Union. Good to see him admit that this is largely a thing of the imagination. Few of us would wish to be conscripted into a Great National Identity Project like Hitler tried to foist on the Germans. Stick to numbers, Andrew. That's what really matters.
Do try and keep up , young Alexander, the ethnic cleansing of Britian has been going on for decades, and those who have pointed this out forcefully have been villified and ostacised by "all right thinking people" aka the Establishment for doing just that. It is only now when the multicultural flood is lapping at the doorseps of the members of that establishmernt elite that they have even deigned to notice it!
Andrew oh Andrew, the England i grew up in, you as well, so sad to see it's demise, ruined beyond repair.by all political parties
In London there is an area in Victoria, called Petty France, where French Huguenot refugees congregated, in The City there is Old Jewry and of course we know about Golder's Green. In the first half of The 20th Century, Clerkenwell was an Italian enclave. Kilburn and Hammersmith had predominantly large Irish Catholic populations. In the late 19th Century, Chinese seaman came ashore at The London Docks and formed communities in Limehouse. In Santa Monica, California you will find that , many of the hundreds of thousands of Brit's, many illegal over stayers, have formed a Little England with pubs and shops where you can buy Kit Kat's and Cornish Pasties. Britain's 2 most celebrated Immigrants were William Of Orange and of course George The First who never bothered to learn too much English. Many of our English Traditions, were introduced by foreigners, Christmas trees, tea and Curry. There is nothing more traditional about our country, than foreigners coming to live here.
As many have already said, The horse had bolted We have been betrayed by the political classes who are only interested in keeping us involved with the criminal organisation that is The European Union
Translated: vote BNP, the only party that cares about homogeneity. Except that you wouldn't dare write that, would you?
lily livered politicians will never break faith with the eu. they regard the eu as where they will go when kicked out of the uk paliament .nobody bites the hand that would feed them. as a british country we are finished
In times of economic recession, the Right look for scapegoats - those who look different to us, sound different to us, worship differently to us. Look what happened to Germany in the 1920s. Beware!
Alexander has made an insulting comment to British Catholics in his article. We Catholics are just as much British as those who profess to be C of E or atheist. Our Faith does not make us any less British.
All dosy dave millipead...and the rest of them worry about is votes! and sod Great Britain
I'm old enough to know what it was like to FEEL british through and through ( ask your grandparents ) Today, that "feeling" is all but gone and with it very sadly my feelings of allegiance to my country
It is too late, the travesty of the dilution of the British way of life and character has been achieved . Can it get worse? By all means if giving the EU the free hand to let all and sundry enjoy the cornucopia of the welfare state. A cultural pogrom was allowed to happen by all political parties. By the time UKIP will or will not get a foothold into British politics, the damage will have been done and will be irreversible.
Trudi Worcester ......you are correct , they are waiting for us dinosaurs to die out , the younger ones have been brought up to accept what we never will !
Has the word ENGLISH become a racist term not to be mentioned. I am not British, I AM ENGLISH, there is a difference, we are becoming a minority in our own country.
The "stiff upper lip" is actually an American expression (according to Paul Johnson's History of the American People).
Have a look at the UN's 'Rights of the Indigenous People Act' which our leaders refused to sign up to. I am starting to get slightly paranoid, there is something 'not quite right' in what is happening in the UK and I am normally very level headed.
And they wonder why the British public do not trust politicians. They have committed TREASON over the past few years for treading the EU path and should be punished accordingly for destroying this once mighty land.
Breaking the bonds of Britishness lies at the heart of the European Plot.
When British became used instead of English, Welsh, Irish, or Scottish is when our Country went down the slippery slope!
I knew this years ago that's why I voted no against the advise of the press for our continual membership of the Common Market, we had the best of everything with our Commonwealth of nations, all we have now are imports people are too scared to upset them, I will be voting UKIP it's our only hope and possibly too late!
The arrogant British Establishment and their lackeys in LibLabCON have RUINED the UK - on the alter of a United States of Europe. God may forgive them, but I NEVER will. I want my country back - as much as we possibly can, anyway. And that means leaving the EU. Vote UKIP.
I regard myself as British and will definitely be voting UKIP at all forthcoming elections.
To late my friend ....... the horse has bolted........
But Andrew, you know that the political class have the British and all we stand for. They are like the 17th and 18th century fops who thought everything French and Italian was superior to ours. They think so lowly of us we are not to be allowed to run our own country, whatever personal embarrassment the lies and distortions over the EU and a referendum might cause particular Conservatives to keep us in.
Whilst right on many points, you lose when you state 'our race' English is not a race. Also, last time I looked west indians do not speak a different language, are predominately christian and have integrated massively since the sixties. Please write fact not continue down this path of scaremongering. There are real issues with the coming EU change focus on that.
CLOSING THE STABLE DOOR WHEN THE HORSE HAS BOLTED COMES TO MIND.
What has happened to our country by our politicians is summed up by one word. TREASON
I am an Englishman.
What we need to understand is the reason we're witnessing a deliberate dismantling of our culture. It's nothing to do with rubbing anyone's nose. It's about future loyalty to the EU. We're collectively expected to transfer our loyalty and fight for them just as enthusiastically and effectively as we have fought for the Crown. They do understand that us old ones are never going to play ball. We're written off, it's simply a case of taking our accumulated money back. But the kiddiwinks are an open book and thus a different story entirely.
Those in power have decided to replace the British people with immigrants. That's just about all you need to know to grasp the political position.
It's the bonds of Englishness that are being destroyed because neither the British government or the British establishment media will talk about England.
The only conclusion to this article is to leave the EU but, alas, I fear it is too late if any of the 3 main parties stay in power. Time for UKIP.
Why won't the author admit he's talking about England not Britain?
I feel sick poor U.K
I wish all of our policticians live in Boston,
I am not against a certain amount of immigrants coming here, but not these huge numbers. I do object very, very strongly when I feel a foreigner in my own land. Stop the benefits, Stop the housing, do not let anyone in unless they have somewhere to live and a job! If they lose the job they should be made to return home. Time to harden up!
The local people who have to endure the result of mass immigration in these country market towns should also think about the indigenous people in the inner cities all over the country who have have become a minority in their own area's,many are also frightened to enter no-go area's set up by immigrants from the middle east and Africa.The tottenham riots were only a taster of what is to come in the future.We have to get rid of the politicians who are encouraging this disaster before it is to late,if it is not all ready.
What a horrible article. This type of journalism can only serve to foster hatred. In Europe we have the right to move wherever we want. It is about time the UK woke up to the fact that they are not the only (and best) people on the planet.
Yep! the article just about covers everything we see and hear every night. Lincolnshire is no longer English. The young find it hard to get work as so many Eastern Europeans have moved in. Personally I shall never vote again for a party that supports the EUSSR. I want my country back!!!
Most Bostonians wouldn't touch the minimum wage agri/ jobs so why are they whinging now? - Kate, York, UK I am generally pro-immigration, I grew up in Boston and left 4 years ago but visit regularly and still have family in the area. I actually enjoy the Baltic food shops, my favourite fudge is Polish and I enjoy being able to buy alternative foods there. However I have seen many friends there struggle to find work in agriculture as they all want to be paid the minimum wage (not unreasonable!) and there are so many who will work for less than minimum wage, cash in hand that they are undercut. It used to be traditional for the Grammar School boys and girls to work on the land between leaving the Upper-Sixth and attending University - no-one in my year (only 5 years ago) managed to get a job on the land, however their elder siblings did in the late 90s/early noughties and were able to earn around £3k for the 3 months work, now they don't need the young people any more!
The pubs in Boston that display notices, stating were drinking alcohol in public places is banned, are written in Polish, Portugese and some other language. But when these people get caught they claim they do not understand. And yes walking in the town centre is like being a full member meeting of the United Nations....Strangely, never seen many Asians there.
Sounds great. Eastern European food is delicious and those Baltic girls are well fit.
AN EXTREMELY GOOD, and all encompassing article. Taking all factors into consideration and voicing so many of the things that I have long felt - on being that the loss of the English culture is a fact and not about racism, AND THE SOFT welfare state has done far more harm than good.
Oh well Brown ,Blair and all those other Socialist traitors have got what THEY wanted....- Nick, Aldershot,...No actually they all moved back to Scotland where immigrants aren't made welcome. Blair changed his religion and then his nationality, he's now Irish. He didn't like what Britain had become.
There are two magic words in the article. Jack. And Straw. I'm increasingly convinced that this communist has worked/s to his own private agenda, intent on bringing down Britain as we know it ... ironically with the help of Thatcher and her free market ideals. The ordinary Brit is needless to say, suffering in the middle.
The Labour Government openly encouraged immigration, not because of the work places they would fill, but knowing the majority would be voting for them and not the Tories. The lure of never ending income support, and the money making concern of having more and more children is something they could expect from the Labour government, but would never receive in their own countries - that's the real reason for such high immigration.
It's the same all over the country whatever flavour the immigrants. What we REALLY need is a return to National Service to prepare our young people to have the proper attitude.
TYPICAL Londoner... thinks anyone who doesn't live in a noisy, crime-ridden, over-populated hell-hole of a capital city is a moron with webbed feet who can barely comprehend the horseless carriage. The fact that there are both native and immigrant wasters alike in our town is evidence enough that the problem hasn't been caused by our politicians or by immigration... I'd rather blame the wasters for being wasters instead of giving them a convenient scapegoat in the politicians and their policies. Punish ALL of the wasters, kill off their benefits and chuck immigrants out of the country as soon as they're caught breaking our laws. Also I notice there's no mention of immigrants sending their hard-earned money back home rather than spending it in this country???
Well nothing surprises me about this story. You want to live in London. It is the same. So nothing new there then.
Notice how the citizens are literally begging the govt in England and the US to do something about rampant immigration but nothing is ever done, on the contrary, it just keeps getting worse. Our govts keep talking about illegal/legal immigration, keep promising action, but nothing is done. They tell us that "x" numbers of immigrants are being repatriated back to their home countries in an effort to placate us when in reality the opposite is occurring. It's like the govts are holding the metaphorical secret door open and serving as "lookout" as the illegals stream in. Folks, our govts have an agenda and they are working feverishly to realize that agenda before we wake up and explode in anger and take to the streets. World govts have at some point arrived at this plan and are forcing it upon us whether we like it or not.
What a well written article. I cannot understand how most people feel the same as this journalist and yet nothing is done. What can the ordinary person do? I must admit I do find the drink culture a bit of a problem in the UK. I left the Uk in1974 and would love to come back..I have been back every year for 20 years but in these last few the deterioration in everything is so evident. So sad, but I blame the media, the parents, and people with no sense of responsibility, pride or shame anymore. This generation have lead a cushioned life. I wish the police could be given greater powers and the justice system would support them. Bring back national service for the parents!!
Never fear, David Camoron is here. He has made a flying start to dealing with immigration by dishing out an unconditional amnesty to all illegals who have been here ten years (or say that they have been here ten years) thus guaranteeing a tsunami of illegal immigrants in the future. And to make sure that they can all get in without problems he is sacking a third of the Border Agency staff. Amazingly, there are still people around stupid enough to believe the Tories would ever cut immigration and risk upsetting the greedy bosses who bankrolled them into Downing Street.
This article is spot on! Instead of directing your anger at the immigrants, be angry at the politicians, they are playing the game of divide and conquer and we are falling for it!
Spicy salami, smoked meats and pickles are an aquired Baltic taste? I think you'll find that most of the British population have tried those foods at some point in their lives do you not? If not, they're so closeted it's no wonder they disagree with the 'influx'.....
And I suspect they encouraged this vast migration because they lacked the courage or the will to confront the huge problems of broken families, feeble schools and welfare dependency: the real causes of the so-called labour shortage..... Too much of human rights without any responsibility, ideal ingredient for disaster. Hundreds of able bodied people are roaming in the streets and they are not looking for any work because state pays for everything. It is no good blaming the poor foreigners as these jobs will not be touched by the local British people (somalians and asians included).
How very sad. If our Glorious Dead from the World Wars could see the Country now, they would wonder what they had been fighting for.
The reason the shops are boarded up is because of the greedy Council charging such high rates, I know some of the shops have reduced rates for imigrants. The farmers take on cheap imigrant labour and put our local hard working men on so called 'Gardening Leave' that is the next thing to the sack. Wait until they start infiltrating our Councils, it won't be long now.
i can see in ten years that this country will be the poor man of europe, we have allowed millions of foriegners into our country who might be willing to work hard but that's it, whatever money they earn is send home to the country they came from therefore our economy gains nothing, how can it be right for anyone to eanter this country and claim child tax benefits for their ct living here, i have heard of them claiming for kids they don't have knowing their lies will not be checked, anyone coming here should not be allowed to claim any benefits or receive free nhs care until they have been here for 5 years, i will never forgive blair for what he and brown did to this country do they care the answer id no, blair now owns 5 homes but the labour voters will still vote for these so called socialists like blair
This emphases the problem with mass immigration, treat the immigrants like like cash cows and the locals like employment mules. Immigrating should be about preferring the new countries values above the values left behind, no wonder there is tensions with the current attitude of governments.
I live near Boston, I dont go there anymore, its like going to Poland. Theres a big Car boot at Stickney, near Boston, i went there the other day, i walked round for neraly ten minutes withourt hearing anyone speaking english. I fet like a foriegnerer. Spalding is the same. You cant get a job in the food factories there unless you speak Polish - really, its a requirement now of applying. And who did this? Tony Blair, the man need to be tried as a traitor to england.
I've never read such hateful rubbish. Most Bostonians wouldn't touch the minimum wage agri/ jobs so why are they whinging now? Shame on you DM
British people have been sold out by the traitors who rule us. Bringing in all these cheap immigrants to undercut British workers. And then the cheek of rich middle class types, the media and the CBI calling British people lazy and workshy - when they themselves would never in a million years countenance cleaning toilets for 6 quid an hour. And how can anyone live on that amount per week anyway? Pay a decent wage, train young British people properly and bring back pride in your work and you'd have a much better country. Instead all we have is a race to the bottom with desperate Eastern Europeans and other immigrants and all the problems they have and bring as well. It's terrible and considering the British people built this country to begin with a travesty.
Absolutely diabolical, but nothing most of us didn't already know. Will this nightmare ever end?
Wierd how this country got by perfectly well without all this mass immigration ..... and now we have it , the country is broken. No wonder our youths are despondant . They and their parents were led to believe in a good life ...... and what did they end up with ? Live like a migrant on poor wages ,10 to a room or nothing . Why should our own people have to put up with this ?. This country and its own people has been sold well and truly down the river by traitors. - david, plymouth, 18/9/2011 1:40 David, you got a green arrow from me, but what makes it even more tragic is the electorate that continues to vote for not only Liebour, but the other 2 main parties, Libs and Cons, the policies of which you could not get the edge of a fag wrapper between. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!
I suppose the only good news is that whilst the political parties think it will never effect them and that they will stay cocooned in their little Notting Hill/Chipping Norton fantasy world one day to their shock horror they and their priviliged offsprings are going to find that their world has been destroyed by their own hands.
Y'know what... I actually come from Boston and luckily enough escaped the place before the 'invasion' as some of my former neighbours called it. This article makes a fair point, but it ignores the real problem about places like my hometown - the decades and generations of governmental neglect that preceded immigration. This isn't the fault of immigrants, it's the fault of successive governments that have allowed ordinary people in relatively isolated areas to suffer poor schools, poor facilities and a poor standard of life. Towns like Boston need investment. It's a marker of my home's generational decline that it takes an influx of 20,000 immigrants to highlight the problems in towns like these. No one cared before, but suddenly the 'British way of life is under threat'. As for the immigrants, I personally am of the opinion that there would be enough work to go around for locals and Easties alike if only there was some attempt to regenerate the struggling area.
RIP, my beloved England. You have been choked to death by politicians.
Only nationalism can save us now, and a country with brains not care if they are demonised for it by the media.
Britain isn't broken, it has been DESTROYED by LABOUR. mostly TONY BLAIR. But politicians live in their ivory towers while we live amongst it all.
It must first be said that if you went back 70 years, you would find in that same county brave Polish RAF squadrons who helped us win the war. It must also be said that these people are doing a job that we don't want to do, and they are of our ethnicity and basic religion. Having said that, the scale of it, and all the other immigration to this country, that no one wanted or approved, is completely unacceptable. Net immigration has risen in the last year, despite the Tories' pledge to cut it. The fact is, if you vote Con/Lab/Lib, you are voting for National Suicide.
It's all very well for these immigrants that say they will work for less wages than the natives but they DON'T, they top up their income with tax credits (tax payer money), these "cheap" immigrants are costing the country a fortune; also immigrants send billions each year to their country of origin, we are being bled dry....
Oh well Brown ,Blair and all those other Socialist traitors have got what THEY wanted.
"There is something brave and commendable about their willingness to live in crowded, shared lodgings, eating cheaply and saving hard; an experience we should all go through at some time or another." Why, exactly?????!!!!! Speak for yourself! I don't need that experience to expand my soul, thanks.
We live close to Boston and Todd from Sleaford is right, there are places that no longer feel safe, such as some of the public car parks. This is because of large groups of young men drinking from 9am in the morning and calling out at you when you walk by. You can walk for several minutes through the centre of the main shopping area and only hear eastern european voices.
Funny how fruit and vegetables used to get harvested before isn,t it,I dont recall them being left to rot in the fields before the EU invasion
You can just picture people like Bliar, Brown, Mandelson, Campbell, Harperson, Hewitt etc sat round the table planning all this and the smug smirks on their faces as they did, not caring one bit about what they were going to do to this country - blinded by their hatred and their desire to "rub the noses of the right" in it. They should all be tried for treason and what they're turned this country into. Still, they don't have to live with the consequences of their "policies" and continue to reside in their leafy, comfortable ivory towers whilst the rest of us see and actually have to deal with on a daily basis the stuff Peter Hitchens so eloquently and accurately describes. Shame on them all and pity on us all...
carl marx loved free trade because it destroyed the countries that practiced it.
Finally some recognition of what Lincolnshire has turned into. It's unbelievable to think how much Spalding and Boston has change over the last ten years. I work in Spalding and have noticed no drinking zone signs in latvian, polish and Lithuanian all over the town. Every night at six o'clock until the early house of the morning in the car park behind Domino's in Spalding there are eastern Europeans drinking in the trees, urinating and shouting all night, I can't park my car there anymore, there are places in Spalding AND Boston that are literally no go zones, it's simply too dangerous. I'm sick of the fights and I'm sorry to say it's almost always eastern Europeans, incidentally eastern Europe is my favourite holiday destination and I love going, but there must be something in the water here that changes them. I just hope something is done about it soon, if not, I'm leaving!
It is too late. If you can afford to, leave, if you can't then prepare for the worst.
Another goal for tony and co then
Wierd how this country got by perfectly well without all this mass immigration ..... and now we have it , the country is broken. No wonder our youths are despondant . They and their parents were led to believe in a good life ...... and what did they end up with ? Live like a migrant on poor wages ,10 to a room or nothing . Why should our own people have to put up with this ?. This country and its own people has been sold well and truly down the river by traitors.
Exactly the same in Peterborough, Wisbech and Spalding. All very sad.
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Whereas in Britain you sign on the dole, the dole decides what jobs are suitable for you, are you over qualified or under qualified. If you take a temperary job how many months will you have to wait before you are back to the level you were at before you took the job. How long will you have to work and save enough to pay your way until your benefits are back up to the level of where you were before you took the job. Where are the jobs. Do you have to travel far to work. How will you get to the work by public transport even when the work is centered in an industrial park public transport isn't always available. What is your ethnicity? What is your gender? Do you have a disability? Will the hours cover you enough after you have left the security of the dole. Do you have to work shifts and rely on public transport. Government today is too intrusive, it sets targets for everything but fails to meet the basic criteria.
In Ireland we now have 1 in 4 Polish people living here are now on the dole so thats 188euro each per week plus rent allowance and fuel allowance etc etc .. Im sure it must be higher in the UK...If something doesnt happen soon the EU will bankrupt us or is that the plan ??
Pickles is exactly like those idiot teenagers who announce a party on Facebook while their parents are away. Huge numbers turn up (complete with disorder and law-breaking), and they express surprise. Is this really the best our idiot politicians can do? Ten months to ensure controls are in place (remember, we never signed the Schengen Treaty). If/when our politicians fail to stem this latest flood, never, EVER vote for any of them again.
Dear "saviour,crawley, You are right,it is not too late,but they want us to think so.The more people wake up,the less chance there is of this mass influx happening.The reason that I said this is a Marxist plan,was because I saw a film on You Tube called "In the shadow of Hermes" by the former Soviet Lithuanian dissident Juri Lina.Who was behind the Soviet Union,Marxism,and what there plans really were(not a fair society for all)and how they went about wiping out millions of there former supporters,because their propaganda to unite people was a big lie.Everybody had to be "Soviet" not Russian,Ukranian,Georgian,etc.Resistance meant Siberia or ..Death or both.The same people(Bankers) who were behind the Russian Revolution,are behind the EUSSR.These people who are planning to come here will be very happy to return to a "socialistic" kind of structure, because that's what they were used to and are nostalgic for.That's why they are coming here.To take your place! Vote UIKIP!
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!- egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30 ------ Yes, but when we do, we come with money to support ourselves, we don't outplace you guys! We need your controls in place here! ; )
Look in the mirror , and say - I am one of those people that will destroy the country I love , because I couldn't be bothered to vote for anyone but - Lib /Lab / Con . And if you are already on low wages - expect them to go even lower - due to EU loving Ed saying that these people are welcome and he will never give you an In / Out vote .
There is a PETITION set up by The Express - you can find it express.co.uk/web/europecrusade .... "I call on the Government to arrange for an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU either by means of an enabling referendum or directly so that the British people are once again placed in charge of their own political destiny." It has a whole page of facts and figures, along with the fact that under Brussels rules, agreed to by Labour AFTER it had lost the election we are liable to help bail out economies wrecked by the single currency (despite not being in it ourselves). PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SIGN THE PETITION TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK AND RE-POST THE LINK IN ALL YOUR POSTS ON ANY SITES, TWEETS OR FACEBOOK
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.- Kathy , Liverpool, 15/1/2013 01:39 -------- KATHY, I totally agree with you, but to wait until the next election (Europe 2014) and then General in 2015 to vote, will be leaving it too late, these people are due to arrive at the end of next year. SO PLEASE..... GO TO THE UKIP SITE, JOIN UP, READ WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH THE EU, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, WATCH FARAGE ON YOU TUBE (you will feel a real element of long awaited joy that someone is standing up to them, I promise) AND SPEAK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO EDUCATE THEM TOO. Email UKIP directly if you have any questions, they are great and undeniably passionate)! I have also been looking at other news media sites - and they are all the same, the country seems to be going mad about the EU, all wanting our referendum).. BUT PLEASE DO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST VENT YOUR ANGER ON HERE!!!
Well whatever the figure turns out to be I'd multiply it by around 140, because they predicted only 14,000 Poles would come to the UK and it ended up being around 2,000,000!
"Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves! - egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30" ________________Perhaps our forefathers new what was in store for us when they opened up Australia for you ;-)
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.
I THINK PICKLES IS SCARED THAT THAY MIGHT TAKE HIS FOOD
My guess , it will be close to 30 million !!
Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight were filming over in Rumania lastr week... They ALL seemed pretty ready to come to England.. Some had tried Spain last year but left when EU starvation hit them. There are no jobs in Europe so I guess that all 31 million will want to come here.. It will be a good lesson to all those who voted for the LibLabCon. Nobody can say that UKIP didn't warn them before the election..
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really. - bobinky, Leicester, 14/1/2013 19:36 If you have already joined UKIP why don't you stand as a candidate in your area if as you say they haven't got one.
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!
That is because they dared't the clamour to get out of the E.U would upset Cameron and CLEGG but get out we absolutely must
I see people moaning and saying they will vote UKIP but how many of you will stand and make a difference? UKIP will be looking for good candidates. If you want your country restored and protected, stand as a member of parliament. Chances are all you the candidates will be well fed middle class prolls from the south east. Stand and play the local angle. Get out there are doing something.
Building more houses in our countryside for all this! Why do we need them here.??? There are enough people in the UK .Britain - always a good host but a poor mother!! This influx of even MORE people has to stop now. PS - I wouldn't want to be a swan when this next lot arrive!
As many as can scrape the bus fare together therefore half the countries population that have at least one good leg to get here on. Who wouldn't sell their shoes to get a free house, money on tap weekly, free medical and schooling. Goodness, if any of us hard working UK citizens were offered a free ride, no questions asked, after being conned all our lives for being honest, we'd jump at the chance now. So, like they said a few year ago only a few thousand Polish would desend on our shores but reality was well beyond that estimate, we're not stupid enough to think things won't be any different. At least for the Polish I know, the majority at least want to work and better their lives here.
Not to give out pie in the sky figures is perfectly reasonable. Let's stick to facts, which can sometimes speak for themselves. One thing for sure is that the EU will not stop growing and other nationalities will soon follow along too. Mr Pickles ought to be announcing a huge, new social housing plan. Already in London British Subjects do not get a look in and haven't for many years now. Before much longer we will not get a look in at all. Mr Pickles is a good man, but there is no excuse for him to sit on his hands.
I can tell you how many are coming! Too Bl##dy MANY!!!
I think most of us agree - this country has changed almost beyond recognition within the last 10 years and if we let this continue, it will be unrecognisable as the UK - and to be honest, I'm scared. How's that for a legacy to leave your kids & grand-kids?! And all because people were scared to vote for someone different at the ballot box. In 10 yrs time, a ballot box will be extinct. If we don't get our referendum, the ONLY way we can stop this is to the streets, we have to save our once great country and VOTE UKIP - Nigel Farage is the only one fighting for us.
bobinky leicester 14/01/2013. 19.36 stand yourself thats the only answer. As Kitchener said 'YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU'.
The more they let in the more they have here to vote NO in a referendum re in/out the EU, we need a referendum now, but sadly I fear all we will get are more scroungers, pickpockets and benefit claiments. The polish already here can build more prisons to house some of them.....
I have just spent half an hour reading many of the comments posted on this article and I have noticed how the tone of the comments has changed over the past few weeks alone. The British people have had enough, their comments and thoughts are filled with deep anger about the way they are being treated in their own country and their views not heard by their own so called government. If Cameron and his government don't start listening to the British people there will be civil unrest across the nation, just as the most rated comment and others on here today have predicted. Mr Cameron, it is time to get your nose out from the backsides of your EU lovers and take note of what THE PEOPLE are saying. WE WANT A REFERENDUM AND WE WANT IT NOW.
I had a dream as well, then I woke up and the nightmare carries on. Vote UKIP.
more like 15 to 20 million. Why wouldn't they, nothing over there for them. We are gonna be totally swamped
They wont tell us how many people are due to head this way for fear of civil unrest but thats coming anyway sooner then they think
Simple...leave EU
Well I'm thinking that Dave is going to give us a referendum after Friday's speech and we'll be out of the EU so none of them will be able to come here. Ooops so sorry I was dreaming....again!
I did add a correction to Budapest as but it seems not to have been included. Zagreb was the previous contract. Soory. Now maybe THIS will be added??
If any of our politicians from the past decade or two had been in power in 1939 ..... we'd all be speaking German now.
I feel sorry for london..
Should have said BUDAPEST__Zagreb was the previous contract...Well it is getting late!
Second attempt. My Son-in-Law has just returned from Zagreb. He was informed by all the single people he met and all the young families that it is their intention to head this way asap. Who can blame them when the qualified engineers in the company he was attached to have not been paid for two months and only earn the equivalent of £300 per month when they ARE paid? It seems we have yet another of our EU fellow members who, like Greece, have entered the Union on false accounting!!.
That is why they want to dig up our countryside. The numbers coming must be enormous if they daren't tell us.
The English working class youth have had their future redistributed by the EU. Once again the weakest & most vulnerable have to pay & suffer.
One has to ask why UKIP are not being politically aggressive on this matter
Stampede seems an adequate description - the figures will be impossible to count as the rush-past will just become a blur!!!
isnt it about time we started to demonstrate en mass about this. these clowns know it is unacceptable for this to happen to any country, but just ignore it. if they wont do anything the we MUST.write to your mp, the party leaders, tell them what you believe, tell them they will not get your vote if they dont put a stop to it, otherwise dont blame them blame yourselves
"It's none of your business, Plebs! All we want from you is your money to pay for them, you don't get a say in whether they come here or not. Don't forget your place!"
Shut the gates and keep them locked.
Do they know about contraception?
Dave make the right choice , or you will be in the wilderness with the Libs . Its now time to do the job you was elected to do , its man or mouse time .
The numbers will be in the millions, that's why they're not going to go public with it. 3-4 million in the first 3 years is a good guess.
I suppose we will have to build over our green and pleasant land to house them all for free. OUT of the EU NOW.
So the estimate is 400,000? Well that means at least 4 million will turn up.
They come here because the government want them to!
Mold problems, Oh dear. Cup of tea anyone?
Dear Mr Pickles, Your mum.
When they come here & see what a mess New Labour made of this country, they`ll soon turn back & run.
SO only 28 million can come here. Well that's a relief !
Its a carefully thought out plot . If you saw the documentary on the Plague in the middle ages less people meant workers could bargain for better wages and conditions.The Rich lost a lot of their power over those who had essentially been slaves. Now the rich arrange for the country to be flooded with those who will work for nothing & will live and work in poor conditions. Because there are fewer jobs we cant strike or move to another employer. & with so many people in such a small space we could not possibly "live of the land". We rely on those at the top to allow us food and jobs if we are lucky, , there is no other option. No wonder they keep telling us we must breed to pay for pensions etc , even though that is a never ending cycle that logically can not work.
NIGEL! Your country needs you - NOW!
Pickles is not A TYPICAL TORY He is a TYPICAL IDIOT.
When are we ever going to have a government in this country that ACTUALLY listens to the people they are supposed to represent.
Lamp post near you soon......
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public officials inside them.
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public official inside them.
It`s like Labour`s figure for the Polish coming here I expect! What was it? Ten thousand? How many actually turned up? Over a million? Funny thing! I`ve just joined UKIP!
Aw, I just love Eric! I want to give him a big cuddle.
WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!!!!! This is why the Government are stopping Child allowance and taking our winter fuel bills away, Not for us, but to pay for what is about to happen Can any one save us from going bust!
So it has to be scarily gigantic then - just like all the other past influxes.
For goodness sake just show some backbone and either block them or put a cap on the number. Just how many of these people will settle in Germany, France, Italy? I do not think any will be allowed.
They had better hurry up and get there passports ready before the poles take up all the new social housing that is being built in Devonport .
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really.
What ever the figure is it will be wrong, they always are. It started with the 1948 British Nationality Act which gave every person in the Common Wealth the right to reside in the mother nation. Given that we boasted that we ruled over a quarter of the worlds population this was a massive fail. Rather than admit to this we were told that it was good for the nation; same old spiel.
I have an estimate too: 1 million minimum
There's 28 million of them. Count on most of them arriving here with their hands out for freebies. Makes you so proud to be British, doesn't it? Work hard, contribute to the system and then stand back and watch the government hand it over to ex-Communists who wouldn't know an honest day's work if it jumped up and bit them. I hate what these traitors are doing to our country....UKIP is the last hope.
> 0 = To many.!
They know hundreds of thousands will come, but will do absolutely nothing to stop it. How many hundres of millions in benefits will it cost, how many houses will they move in to, free of charge? This country is a laughing stock.
For Teresa, Cape Town:......and you have Sumba, who spent £17 million of our £19 million aid package on a house complex for his family.
There is only one word to describe this government and the last lot, Traitors the lot of them, and methinks it is time for a revolution, one where dismiss the government for acting against this countries intrests, and puting UKIP in power..!!!!!
About 12,000 a year isn`t it...................that`s the lie what Blunkett told us before Nu-Liebour let in 3 to 4 million.
When he gives his speach on friday . This is a point that MUST be addressed .
- chassa 1 , essex, 14/1/2013 17:59====With a bit of luck some of them will be teachers of English - you certainly need some help with yours!
The Nasty Party have destroyed our once great country,vote UKIP the people's party and end this madness
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy. - peterappleby21 , Amsterdam, 14/1/2013 16:30 ............................................................................. not too late to do anything , they aren't here yet ,this plan like every other plan by the failed EU can be reversed , all that is needed is a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the present government ,they can be dismissed as not acting in the countries best interest . Now your comment is correct they are aiming to change the national identity and face of what was known as GB to achieve their own aims of staying in the EU , eventually parliament will be abolished and everything will be handled by the renamed NWO in Germany ,the army,the laws ,everything, this country will be yet again renamed ,i can't go any further because of "certain" issues concerning "certain" elements of the society. but im sure you know who i mean.
Yes, I saw the interview and laughed and laughed!!! The people who run this country of ours should be locked up, and while we're at it, the last lot too!
DOES IT MEAN PRICES ACROSS THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO INCREASE AND OUR PENSIONS CUT TO GIVE ALL THESE SCROUNGING IMMAGRANTS HOUSES AND BENIFITS THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TOO, OR MAYBE OUR HARD WORKING MP'S GOING TO TAKE A CUT IN WAGES OR EVEN GIVE UP A FEW OF THERE PERKS OR EVEN STOP ALL THERE FIDDLING ON EXSPENCES. ANSWERS PLEASE BECAUSE I CANNOT MAKE UP MY MIND WHICH IT WILL BE.
Please resign Dave and take your Eton cronies with you. The country is looking in desperation for a competent leader who will put its own citizens before the rest of the world.
This is the guy who claimed that he needs special treatment by taxpayers because he has to have a second taxpayer funded home near to the House of Commons cos he has to get to work in the morning - not a bit like the THOUSANDS of people who under sheer hell getting into London, to their jobs from points as far away as Swansea and Hartlepool. Why can they not also have taxpayer funded second homes in London. AT LEAST THEY ARE PAYING TAX, I BET MR PICKLES PAID A LOT LESS TAX THAT HIS TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSEHOLD CLEANER DID LAST YEAR?
I don't get it. During the last Parliament there were countless DM readers going on about voting UKIP, but it all melted away when the actual general election happened and they did not even get one MP. So what I am seeing here is nothing more than hot air from readers that don't put their votes where their mouths are. The country is already trashed anyway thanks to the Liberal elite that now dominate all main parties.
Thanks to the wonderful EU they may well have the right to come over here but is it not about time we put some restrictions on place i.e. they should hae a job in situ? they should have somewhere to live? they should even perhaps have private medical insurance? It's not the fact they will be coming over here, its the fact they will come over here and drain our benefits system, NHS, Schools, Doctors, Dentists...... etc. etc. etc!
Stop what our servants are doing to us now----this is dictatorship get out of it now you lot, and come on you Brits lets give UKIP a fair chance.
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting for Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12 But they don't have any discernible policies; and even if they did, they would change them at whim anyway. The governments work for themselves, and not the people.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12>>>That is very true, we took the word of a politician. there is a saying fooled once shame on those who did the fooling, fooled twice shame on you. has anybody else noticed the difference between shame and sham. There is only e difference however sham means that something which is different from what it appears to be. That is also the definition of CMD Camoron. he is different from the truth telling politician who he purports to be.
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy.
More brilliant publicity for UKIP!
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in.
Beyond belief that ,either Cameron really does not "get it"OR pretends he does not.
It's not the actual number that is the problem, it's WHY they come here?--If our Government were to adhere to the SAME conditions as the rest of the EU, then they would be spread out in the EU? But no, as usual, the British has to go by the word to word meaning of the EU constitution? And obey all the rules of such? Maybe, the media should tell us and our politicians what the other countries requirements are in respect of Housing, benefits etc.
Whoever is responsible for this dying of Great Britain should be hung drawn and quartered.There is going to be a whole lot of trouble on our beloved green and pleasant land.Time to follow the French and take pride.
Marvellous when outsiders can see just what a mess this government is making of this country, CAMERON and PICKLES won't give us an estimare because they know only too well how many will be coming here but they are scared to tell us because they know it will certainly cause a riot. Instead of not giving us an estimate why not shut the gates and keep them out, stuff the EU and their permission for EU subjects to move as and where they want, our country is too overvrowded now without any more coming. The EU are taking our money and supposedly giving it to these less well off countries for support not for us to give money and for their people to come here and be kept here also. on our benefits system.
So you don,t want them, then stop all benefits immediately, make the system no more attractive than in other euro countries, then they would not come. At the same time it would save an enormous amount of money and help the ailing economy, it would also make the workshy element more prone to look for work if it was impossible to manage on hand outs from the government, its gone on to long and its one reason I don,t want to live in the UK anymore. Now then bring on the red arrows, but its the decent people who will suffer as usual in the UK. Also if its possible send my income tax back to me and you can keep your godammed winter fuel allowance.
Time for a second Peasants' Revolt (or should that be Plebians?).
I remember when Labour promised us that less than 15,000 Poles would move to this country and it turned out to be one and a half million! This is going to end in civil war!
You guys are so F....d. I don't like my government but yours is just off the charts.
Dave - the public in this so-called democracy do not want these people here, so DO SOMETHING!
I read a report there is 3 - 4 million wanting to come to the u.k but i think that is rather conservative!
is this ever going to stop?
Looks like UKIP will be surging again in the opinion polls...
This is truly frightening. I think seven figures is much more likely. So we need to build on millions of acres of countryside? Yes Minister that is clearly the only option. If the real solution is not instantly obvious to you then you are even more stupid than you look, sir. We are being RAPED. This is a crime! A crime against the Millions of hard working Britons out there that are just trying to get by. A Crime against the Millions of lives sacrificed over the last Century, to the cause of preserving our freedom and right to Govern our own country. This is truly tragic and will be the final nail in the coffin for Great Britain. It is talked about the world over, the fall of the once great nation of Great Britain. Well guess what, it hasn't finished yet.
If you build it- they will come. Well, we've built it, the Welfare State, that is, so they will come - in their hundreds of thousands- to get what WE have paid for!
This is a disgrace, why can't Cam and co listen to the British people, he seems to think we all love the joy of being in the EU..well we dont we all want OUT , are you deaf Cameron ? We cannot let 29 million in this small island. Vote UKIP.
Sorry They have no idea,but whatever it is you can be sure it will be vastly UNDERestimated.I will vote for whoever makes it illegal for them to come here,EU rules or not.We do NOT want a repetition of Blair's 'guesstimate ' about how many Poles would come here
I was listening to my local radio programme which threw out the question of "Immigration is it the biggest source of tension in Britain" in a phome in. THERE WAS A GUEST SPEAKER WHO WAS INVITED TO GIVE HIS OPINION. He was badgered by the presenter who wanted to have his views put over and not those of the guest. The presenter even threatened the guest with being cut off. The guest prevailed and was allowed to answer the question put to him. PETER HITCHENS was more than a match for the presenter but anyone else phoning in would not have come off so lightly. With the BBC so bigoted and racist against it's own people, what chance have we got?
There is no political advantage to be gained by releasing estimated figures. The last EU expansion saw the last 'shower' in Government release figures suggesting that we would all be 'swamped' with Polish immigrants which turned out to be not only totally false, but, as it turned out, those who did arrive soon found gainful employment with employers who praised their 'work ethic'. The only figures the government would not release are those of British Citizens who have availed themselves of the freedom of movement within the EU who have become thoroughly sick to death of this country and have moved to former Eastern European Countries and have made a small fortune in areas such as IT in places such as Lithuania. Not the sort of stories the Press are interested in though is it?!.
Whatever the figure is, you can bet it will be a gross underestimate - just like the couple of thousand Poles that were going to come here. Try telling that to Peterborough and all other cities over that way.
It will lead to massive civil unrest - haven't they learnt anything from the mass uncontrolled immigration free for all we have all witnessed these last few years. What benefits will the Bulgarian and Romanian mass immigration bring to the UK. Are these people highly skilled in occupations we desperately need? Or will ( like here) we just see an influx of Romanian big issue sellers, car washers, taxi drivers and beggars.
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism. - Kev57, Reading, 13/1/2013 17:32 So should we send them all to your house to live then? You can't say no even if you do not have the space or means to support them as under your own judgement you would be classed a rascist would you not?
Civil war is in the pipeline Delusional Dave....and when it comes there will be no hiding places - even abroad. The British people will not forgive this betrayal and it is inevitable extremists will gain platforms. Have we learned so little from the precursors to WW2 ? UKIP the only sane alternative.
The trouble is even if we all vote UKIP in 2015, all these Romanians and Bulgarians will already be here , and wont be going nowhere, the same with all the rest from the EU. I think Dave Cam should start packing now, because there is no way he will be back in NO 10 in 2015. VOTE UKIP .
Coming to your town soon.........an accordian player outside each shop, beggars, thieves, robbers muggers by the ton. Racist ? Maybe. Factual ?....yes.
How can they allow anybody else into this country when there aren't enough jobs for the people already living here! Whether they have a right to travel here or not, they have got to be stopped.
I feel that the revolution is getting nearer! People can only take so much before they snap.
The interview with Mr Pickles was an insult to our intelligence .No answers , just the same old exscuse for every question. Why does Andrew Neill bother with these people ? I know the programme is called Sunday Politics , but,do me a favour,and bring on someone that speaks the truth..As for the problem with accomadation for the Rumanien and Bulgarien "immigrants" , a lot has to be built , most important ,however, will be a couple of Prisons. Just check out the Prison population in most European countries.
This will be the final straw for EUROPEAN membership, ukip here I come Pl
You can see how the govt is preparing for it, they are going to build super jails. We are just a penal colony for europe's criminals. It looks like we will have to protect ourselves because it's obvious the law won't be able to, it does'nt now.
They DON'T HAVE A CLUE - NO IDEA. The poor hard-working decent people of the UK are well and truly being BLED DRY. There are MILLIONS of Bulga/Roamins planning to come to the UK; MILLLIONS who will need HOUSING, will need SCHOOL PLACES, will need to use our INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. All of us who voted for the present and previous load of Traitors have allowed this to happen. The Only Way is UKIP. We have to get back CONTROL of our borders; control of those who are in the UK; and return to FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Return to what our parents and grand-parents fought two World Wars for - FREEDOM. For the sakes of our children and grand-children we CANNOT let this destruction of our country continue. BE BRAVE - be optimistic - and join, support and VOTE UKIP. It is OUR FUTURE at stake.......
I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' Mr Pickles was quoted as saying by the Telegraph. The thought of Mr P making a pubic pronouncement has put me off my lunch.
Here's an idea: Australia has a big land mass & a small population. So why not ask them to take in all Real British people (including the Crown; Armed forces etc) ; then we could give Independence to Scotland & Wales. We could then leave England open and see how long it takes the migrants to turn this once Great land into little Zimbabwe. We wouldn't then care - as we settle into New Great Britain (the latest state within Aussie).
Cameron and his ilk need cheap labour and this is the way . The chattering classes won't mind when the Romanian plumber fixes their combi boiler on Easter Monday for 58 pence . You reap what you sow and you Brits revelled in the cheapness of everything in the last 15 years , from your inflated house prices to your call center mortages , nothing was of real value and you suckers lapped it up like council estate boys in an Amsterdam knocking shop . You're doomed , enjoy the ride it's a long way down !
This is great news. Welcome to Britain!
Not sure why anyone would want to come here. Welfare payments are less easy to get, and they have been severely cut for all needy people who are residents of the UK. Jobs are non-existant, and elderly folk are threatened with lower pensions and expensive care packages. There will probably be lots of room, because huge numbers of youngsters with good degrees and no job prospects, are seriously considering leaving Britain, and finding a future overseas. This is the sad result of the Coalition's 'bull in a china shop' stampede to throw the baby out with the bath water. I do not recognise the country which I have lived in for eighty years since this government came into power. I assure this is not meant as a compliment! Pat.
Ban their caravans.
How about charging them a huge entrance fee ? if they're that desperate then they'll pay up.
OUT NOW!!!
Whatever the figure the goverment has, you can double and multiply four times, they will come in the millions, the first to arrive will phone back home telling how ,by just turning up in britain you are given a place to live,heating lighting food clothing and spending money,they will initally think that these accounts are wildly exaggerated who would be that stupid they will say,the land of milk and honey is not a biblical myth it is now in this land.
Ban all EU nationals OUTSIDE the UK from ALL benefits, NO free homes, no welfare, no hospital care etc. Then see how many come. I bet only a few will come if they needed TRAVEL health insurance & if they had to FULLY support themselves! Sadly next year we are likely to see at least 2 MILLION MORE people flood into the UK fleece our welfare & NHS & get free homes etc, while the UK taxpayers to pay this money are screwed! I am looking to go to New Zealand where they want skilled people who can SPEAK ENGLISH & new Zealand does NOT allow floods of immigrants to fleece their welfare system
Lets bring in a few more people who have paid nothing into the system and of course with human rights will get everything but if you have paid in all your working life you get the bare minimum.
this is more than likely the reason the government is manipulating(undirect dictate) through common purpose tactics the single people to leave their 2 bed rented accommodation? the government will need them for the huge influx of foreigners. its a counter reformation of britain by stealth! by you know who? those who have tried for the last 400 years to reform britain!
Cameron and Co don't want you to know it's perfectly legal to stop this.They could state that the numbers expected are so high it would constitute a national crisis.The doors shut not in the national interest he would tell the EU if he had the balls.
There may be trouble ahead....
Don't know, Don't care, and powerless to do anthing about it.
The propaganda from Labour about immigration from Poland was 14,000 expected (several hundred thousand actually came), so whatever it will be for Bulgaria and Romania (if Cameron/Pickles ever tell us) we can safely add a couple of noughts to the end of that.
The Coalitian Government have no common sense, why do we not have a Government post: Head of Common Sense - a person who can really think from the point of view of the people of this Country. Dave, I'm free, I may be a 50 something Mum from a secondary modern on a rough ol' council estate but I have common sense a plenty and can tell you now, this idea is a wrong'un. Somebody else said lets riot, whilst I do not agree with that it could be coming, Dave, look around you, there is an awful lot of people who are unhappy, and being pushed closer to the edge. Last time was theyoung on the riot, next time it could be worse and I do not think the ever deminishing thin blue line will be able to cope!! Have the newly elected Police Commissioners got a contingency plan for full scale riot when we sometimes just have a dozen bobbies on duty on a Friday night? If it does kick off it will be at night. Dave, Nick, no common sense!! Work it out. Have a chat with somebody with somebody, please
Yet again we are 'hoovereing' up the dross of Europe.Surely bring our troops from Afghanistan and station them at EVERY point of entry to MY country.These soldiers of ours KNOW how to deal with this menace.
I think we should get rid of work shy Brits and keep the eastern europeans, they have a far better work ethic and would be much more beneficial to our economy.
Simply has to be stopped. The figure will be in the millions - we already know that from when Poland joined (and Bliar said about 13000 were expected!). This is a disaster and may well prove a step too far for the people of this country (or at least those that remember how it used to be).
How much more are we going to concrete over, before we have finished?
Simple - shut the boarders.....want to come to the U.K. then apply through a means test similar to that of Australia and Canada (for example) - not rocket science is it?
We know that you don't know, we also know that you deliberately haven't bothered to find out, we also know that if you did know you wouldn't tell us anyway, the electorate are just mushrooms for politicians to pile you know what on.
So what are they bringing to the table ? - me here , London, 14/1/2013 12:29 I have the answer, nothing. Nothing except crime, disease & scrounging.
Don't worry, they'll all leave when the country needs building up again.
British people are known for being calm and reasonable - what is happening in their country is beyond reason and in the not too distant future there is going to be trouble - it will be while the Brits are a majority as this is changing fast !
the easyist solution is to stipulate NO benefits NO housing it is not upto britain to help these people we need to help our own people, the influx will be overwhelming our services are at bursting point now,what cant the idiot politicos not see this
May as well throw in the towel now. We have about as much say as a North Korean
how many will come ? simple, most of the ones who arent here already
oh anyones welcome here. we are the skip of the world!!
Conservative voters have already got the message they are flocking to UKIP in their droves. It is the Labour voters that you have to convince. If you want change you must vote for change - do not vote for Lib/Lab/Con. Change is required, change your voting habits and give UKIP a chance.
Why can't we stop them? We have no accommodation for them, there are no jobs for them, and we can't afford to support them. There is no way they should be allowed to come here, in addition, a large number of those already here should be sent back. Another vote for UKIP.
Great! More people to tell to FO when they ask me for money.
I would estimate ... 28 million.
That's frightening me! How about you?
So what are they bringing to the table ?
kick them all out assoon as they come here we do not want them and we want out the pathetic eu the UK is great keep it that way
The previous predictions were a con by the lying Labour goverment. Do what is right for OUR COUNTRY. Extend the restrictians.
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.- Riff , London, 14/1/2013 11:41>>>>>I think you are absolutely 100% correct....and when an uprising does come these people will have no loyal commitment or support for the UK at all.
Mr Pickles there is no confusion just don't allow it!! simples
A million more reasons to quit the EU
There are nearly 3000 comments on this subject in the Telegraph online. I think Cameron should read the comments in the media and realise just how much the people of this country really think of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason why we need a referendum NOW...
Close the borders now, we are full.
Stupidity, plain stupidity. We can't cope with what we have now, yet we're going to let more in? The mind boggles at the stupidity of it.
Even more ATM's being robbed then I take it! No houses for our people, but we'll find £500,000 houses for not uk folk. DC you should be ashamed.
The writing is on the wall...........in a not too distant future there will be war, revolt and an uprising on a scale never seen before......oh, and I wonder where the politicians and royals will be found then? Tick tock......tick tock........tick, tick tock...................BANG!
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites
For God's sake when are the British people going to rise up and say enough ! take to the streets like people do in other Countries, don't let them do this to us it's got to stop it can't go on they are destroying this Country and we are standing by and letting them.
And of course each one will be entitled to vote once they are registered on the electoral roll, which will mean NO chance of escaping the EU..... EVER!!
I think that we should not worry about it they will just flood in take our jobs and houses and if the social dont give it to them they will steal the then return home with the swag just as the boxing ref says defend youself at all times!
Some how this type of nonsense has to stop!! We have no room for them, We certainly do not need them, We do not have sufficient work for our work force now, 800 jobs just gone in Swindon, 2000 from Jessops also means that we we can ill afford them. So come on British government stop them Now
Well, if it is going to cause problems in the UK and other European countries do something about it!!!
This will affect middle class politicians not a jot. It is the working class though who will be expected to live side by side with these people, and who will have to contend with the crime, rising housing costs and competition for manual jobs. I'm giving up on the Conservatives, if it has to get worse before it gets better, so be it.
Philip Hollobone is my MP and he is a good one. He is right to be fearful as Kettering is one of the towns noticing an influx of Poles etc. over the last few years. Where will all these people go? What about schools and hospitals and other services? It is complete madness and something should be done by this spineless government before Jan 2014 before they all start arriving here.
It's dead easy - don't give them a house and no hand outs!
They will probably just leave someone to switch off the lights - be prepared and assume 29m from one and 10m from the other.
Vote UKIP to get rid of this lot and the rest
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.
I can't have any respect for a Politician who has so little self control over what he eats...
If the Conservatives permit this influx they are dead in the water at the next election. Stop this now . It will be detrimental to the country in every sense. Economic migration is destroying the framework of our society. UKIP will gain substantial support if this is allowed to happen. If we did not give benefits and free housing to all and sundry this would not happen. Wake up Britain.
Do not make this to happen start building your resources now you stupid goverment do not let the horse to bolt close the gate before it does stupid fools the GOVERMENT.
we are a minoroity in our own country as it is..CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW...
Probably it will be measured in millions, what dumb fools we are represented by in our so called democracy.Cameron should tell the EU that we are not open anymore to another massive influx.That should set the ball rollling in his so called renegotiation of our terms of membership. Remember when the start gun was fired for the last wave Labour estimated ten thousand but it resulted in millions with whole cities being emptied in Poland. Your children and grand children are the real ones at risk and nobody in government appears to care a damm.
Why does Britain let everyone in?? - Karen, Oklahoma, USA, 13/1/2013 18:23 BECAUSE WE HAVE A QUISLING GOVERNMENT, WHO BOW TO EVERY DEMAND MADE BY THEIR LORDS AND MASTERS IN THE EU. ANY NUMBER CAN COME INTO THIS COUNTRY FROM EUROPEAN STATES, LIVE,WORK [ or claim the dole] AND CLAIM SICK BENEFIT, PENSIONS THAT WE HAVE WORKED A LIFETIME TO PAY FOR THIS BENEFIT. gizzie soton
Another flood for the benefits system to maintain (YOU the taxpayer). Many public services are collapsing now due to the strain of too many people. How difficult would it be to just say no.
I've just been on the epetitions site and only 52 people have signed in the last hour. Lots of whinging and no action - sign the petition people and get this debated in Parliment before it's too late!
In a best case scenario you can triple any number they do put out, personally I think there will be over a million of them arriving, not 300'000. This is going to destroy the country.
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
It will not just put a strain on the housing market. It will place an unacceptable strain upon and damage the NHS, our Council provided services, Schools ad infinitum. Enough is enough! Out of this monstrosity driven by Communist zealots!
very well said Sohiel.. the uk is done for last british out..close the door.......................".I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!" - Sophiel , Dorchester, 14/1/2013 10:50
How many more can this little island take? isn.t it about time we closed our doors and put the full sign up! Why doens't the UK take a leaf out of Australia'sbook. Enough is enough surely!!
I'm a landlord; YAY!
And Cameron says: 'the beating heart of Britain wants to stay in the EU' ! Yeh, right!!!! Isn't nearly 60 million enough??
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
If Spain can stop them - why can't we ? and if Mr Pickles doesn't know how many - well - plan for 30 million.
can you imagine what the UK will be like in a few years if we don't get out of the EU
There are 11 months left to make certain it doesn't happen. ACT NOW!
If you are British born and bred you are discriminated against by all governing parties in this country, from councils to No 10. UKIP is needed now more than ever to put us back where we belong to a great britain, not an EU britain.
For Gods sake, get a grip and don't let them in..............simple!
Mr Cameron, you are the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Please don't again say your hands are tied and there's nothing you can do, you have 12 months. Stop worrying about upsetting other European leaders, it wont be them paying their benefits.Don't just put your head in the sand like others before you. Now would be a good time to DO something, not 2013 .
Simple answer...don't let them in!
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
"We, the elected government of Gt. Britain, neither understand nor control the effects of our EU membership." - Signed, E. Pickles, Minister.
Another mess we find ourselves in. And there seems no way out of it for the little man in the street. Of course the big bosses will do well as they will be able to pay lower wages due to the ever increasing workforce. With the ever increasing profit margine the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Remember, we are a democracy. We do have a say in this otherwise autocratic country once every fives years. Vote UKIP. Give them a chance. We really dont have anything to lose. We have lost already.
We want none, Zero , Zilch coming to our country and immediately claiming housing health care and benefits!!
The job of the British government is to look after the British people. It is not their job to look after Bulgarians and Roumanians. LEAVE THE EU!
Stop all benefits to incomers until they have been here five years and kick out all those who have made themselves cosy at our expense and don't comply. Then we will have the housing the taxpayers have paid for and enough money to look after pensioners and our own people who have fallen on hard times.
At 65 (or whatever) will these people all receive old age pensions ?
Yes they do know..... They've calculated how many more they need to effect the voting results and Brussels has told them how many more they "must" accept........... What they have NOT calculated is precisely how many more will be required before something finally gives and violence erupts on the streets......... But then, for their beloved Gross Europa, they think the risk is worth it.
Not a cheep from the Tories friends in big business of course - the CBI, the IOD, BCC, etc -- they are all for it.... because it brings in yet another huge pool of cheap labour for them to use, while undercutting/keeping down the wages of the homegrown workforce. And of course, they don't have to pick up the bill for housing, eduction, health (that is down to you and I, the hardpressed taxpayer).
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!
"We don't know" - priceless! These people are elected to govern, and they just haven't got a clue. They keep on getting elected though, Tory and Labour - so there must be some truth in the saying that 'you get a government you deserve.'
Eric Pickles is being honest. Blair & Brown as we now know, were liars.
We dont want more houses, we want less people. Extend the exclusion deadline by at least five years.
The answer to the problem is easy "NONE"
Our lousy government has chattered about this for years. It is nearly here now and guess what our useless 'leaders' are doing........yup, more chattering.
And they wonder why UKIP are second only to Labour in the polls?......................what amazes me more than anything is that there are still sheeple out there who are prepared to vote for a discredited, dishonest and treasonous Labour party who got us in this mess in the first place!
so lets get this right a government minister knows it will cause problems but will still allow it to happen. as far as not revealing estimates its all lies ,lies,lies,we have been here before with labour and there estimation of 13,000 poles arriving which they knew was going to be way off these lot are no different,different suits different party same lies,at least we know why they need to churn up the countryside for houses,so what are the people going to do about it,sit back and just take it
Why is it going to cause problems for Social Housing? Does everyone who arrives in this country automatically get housed? Why not just pay for their fares to come here as well. Does every other EU country automatically house incomers from member EU States?
All comes down to being in the EU. We are told to open our borders and we obey. We do get people who want to work but most are the dregs of their countries who are after free housing,benefits and crime opportunities.They will all be entitled to child benefits and no doubt will be claiming for numerous fictional children back home while our benefits are being cut. Being British is now a disadvantage thanks to the EU,BLAIR,CAMERON,CLEGG and MILLIBRAND. UKIP!!!!! is the answer.
There will be millions, and they will all have their hands out. Madness.
EU rules cannot prevent them from coming into Britain. However, any benefits which are paid by the State should be deducted from our contributions to EU funding.
Haven't we got enough problems with unemployment levels, housing shortages, over crowded hospitals & schools, without allowing free entry to possibly millions more people? Sign the government e petition to stop this now.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - Captain Zologog , Atlantis, United Kingdom, 14/1/2013 09:37 --> Really? Have you ever actually met any?
We are being pushed to a point when verbal action ceases to be any use and the use of force is the only alternative, this reaction is placed firmly on the shoulders of our government who totally ignore the wishes of the people who elected them.
@captain zologog...Rumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet...:Maybe, in Rumania, but the hoards we will get here will be either on the run from their own justice system or looking to languish in comparitive luxury via our wonderful benef
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - said one poster. I suspect that your comments are correct - but what the hell has such a fact got to do with our country being overloaded: both financially, socially?
No jobs for the English, no decent reasonably priced housing for low paid English workers but we are letting more in from other countries. Some of the new ones will be of the poorest and uneducated so that means benefits for them. I agree with the ex-pat from Spain, unless you can show that you have either the money to keep yourself for six months or have a skill the UK needs ...then you don't get into the UK. Simple really. What is wrong with us that allow this to happen.....we are the fools.
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage. - Irene Pedder , London, 14/1/2013 09:35 Brits do buy houses in Europe, they just don't get given them. Thats the difference
There is no more room for roomanians,the country is bulging so we dont need any more bulgarians,the country does,nt need or want these people hurry up and vote to get free of this joke called the european community,more like communistly! Come on dodgy Dave get a spine
You all know the answer........Join UKIP and vote for them!
These new arrivals won't to be able to afford houses anyway, and most will shack down in converted garages, sheds and illegal new constructions in the back gardens of friends and relatives who are already here, Britain's new 'shanty towns' which are springing up everywhere. Please don't use this as an excuse to allow your rich mates in the building industry to cover the British countryside with concrete, Mr Pickles. It just won't wash!
Wilfred my boy I can tell you now. They will be arriving in droves. They are packing already to enter the land of Milk and Honey. And benefits of course. Wise up.
Why are you all moaning? Do you possibly think it's going to make a difference? The wheels have been in motion for some time now and this is just the beginning. If you are fortunate enough to be able to emigrate...get on with it or shut up!
Not, if we don't let them in.
The rules in other EU countries require them to have sufficient funds to support themselves for three months while they seek employment. After that if unsuccessful they are expected to leave. (Then they come to Benefits Britain).
Where can all true Brits go to get away from this nightmare ? We want our own island again ,we want to welcome people wo are welcome , not every Tomas , Ricardo and Ari !!
We don't know how many, but however many there are, they should get NO, that's NO financial help from us to stay here. NO council houses, NO benefits, NO work allowance.
I never thought that we would get a more useless government than the last Liebour lot, but Billy Bluster and his friends have proved me totally wrong.
here in spain you have to prove to the authorities that you have an income of approx 6000 euros per annum and full private medical insurance per person to be allowed to stay past 3months, whether you are working or not, got my residence just before christmas cost 11 euros. Why can't Britain do the same so incomers will not be a burden on the state??????
Don't get me started.....just DON'T get me started !
, anyone who loves this country has to vote ukip, they are the only party that can stop this insanity
Defy the EU and don't let anyone from these countries in!
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet
Well they've got 10 months to legislate to stop it happening. Dont let any in!
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage.
All can claim every benefit going no doubt.
You don't want to do that, and live all the uk dirty and all the unwanted jobs unfilled, and no more profits from converting your homes into crowded dorms.....lol
We are now being softened up to accept building on our green belt land and areas of natural beauty just to accommodate these people. We have no jobs for them so under EU rules we have to pay benefits. What is the point of all this? We are already seeing our whole British culture being destroyed. A lot of these problems could be removed by a complete withdrawal from the EU but I am beginning to think that our Politicians are too incompetent or too frightened to step outside their comfort zone. It may give us fresh problems but at least we would have our own identity once more.
Close our borders now - out of EU.
They are not coming for the jobs because there aren't any, no houses either so thats not the reason, they also are not welcome by probably the majority of people, so why are they coming, it cant possibly for the benefits can it?
This is just sheer lunacy!! The housing and infrastructure crisis the country faces has been caused solely by unrestricted immigration and whatever politicians estimate to be the likely immigration figures from Bulgaria and Rumania, just multiply by 100 to arrive at the actual figure. This is what happened under Blair and Brown with earlier forecasts, and the scale of deceit has been breathtaking. The Conservatives are just standing by and letting it happpen without a whimper. Even though Eric Pickles is putting up some sort of token protest the spineless Cameron will do exactly nothing to challenge his EU masters.
With three million people unemployed and a housing shortage we need to be reversing Labours horrific opening of the floogates not making things even worse.
There is no doubt that the EU is very good for some but I have my doubts as to whether there are any benefits for ordinary Britons.
This country has had it everyone pack up we are all off to russia .
Well you could always do what every other EU member seems to do - tell them that they can come BUT you don't get free housing/medical/school/ benefits and of you don't get self sufficient in 3 months then back you go! Why do we feel we have to house and look after EVERYONE!
The government tries to think of ways to take benefits off of the British who really need it, like DLA and childrens centres...so they can hand it back out to the feckless of Europe
What is there to say, except VOTE UKIP? If you vote Conservative, Labour or LIb Dems, anyone in the EU can steal your job or home.
Big problem is the rich Tories and aristocracy are the ones who benefit most from the huge bank of cheap labour. T hats because of the extra low wages they pay, which means the rest of us (the taxpayer) have to subsidise them.
Simple enough...just tell the EU that as we have no properties available for our present population, the UK is putting on another delay on immigration into the UK until we do have enough properties, or is it just a case of our govt not allowed to impose this delay....if so time to have a referendum so the public can have a say, and at the same time giving our spineless leaders a mandate from the people of this nation..... we can't have our govt. giving a few falkland island voters a referendum on their own destiny and refuse the same to millions of voters in the UK.
When is this madness going to end?
VOTE UKIP AND WE CAN STOP IT. I HAD RESPECT FOR PICKLES BUT HE IS ALL WIND AND NO ACTION JUST LIKE THE REST IN POWER -------UKIP UKIP UKIP -------I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK
The ineffectual,useless weakling Cameron OUT !. UKIP IN !
Living next door to some of these people is just hell, it's like living in a slum 50 years ago. Totally dreading it.
Reverse colonisation. Didnt see anyone complaining when the UK was plundering other countries.
Stop I now , while we just about have time . What about pressure on the hospitals , doctors , schools etc ??. And as for the benefits , we must apply the same rules that the rest of the EU does, if you have not paid in , you don't get paid out , it's as simple as that .
This country makes its own problems! They welcome everyone in with open arms, gives them money, a home and health care. Would we get any of that if we moved abroad to any other EU country? NO WAY! Stop giving these people a free ride, that is why they come!
Can i just say that 1 is too many,,, we do not have the Housing , Schools not long ago were axed, hospitals are closing, The Single Common Market was for Trade of Goods not People
It isnt just houses, education NHS will be on their knees. crime especially pickpocketting will spiral. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL GOVERN NOT A SPINELESS SOFTLAD WHO PICKS ON PENSIONERS AND THE DISABLED.
I thought children were already being schooled in makeshift sheds and the homeless were already sleeping under bridges. We have a three bed room terrace, lets invite 10 000 people to the party.
Why should we provide houses for them. If I emigrated to France, Spain, Italy or any other eu country, would they provide me with a house??? I don't think so.
Tell us something we don't know.
We are sitting back and letting this happen...its a social disaster waiting to happen...do something NOW! Were sitting here making comments to the DM when we should be outside Parliament demanding change! We need to "0ccupie" our own country now before its too late - W@ke up W!se up R15e Up....Vote UKIP!
Spain has stopped them going there - so we shoudl do the same - otherwise we are concreting over the countryside to house foreigners - why?
I work full time, claim no benefits at all, pay tax and can't get social housing because theres non available. What have I done wrong for my country to treat me so badly, I just sit and cry sometimes.
Vote ukip
I suspect mr pickles is even more concerned where his next meal is coming from!
Bulgaria is 7 million people. I completely understand how you are feeling but I honestly think the damage has already been done. It is not wise to judge nations and stereotype and pigeon hole humans . We are all Europeans more or less we share the same values . Think when Europe will no longer be calling the shots.
I'd be willing to pay higher taxes to integrate these striving immigrants, in the name of EU solidarity. Its only right that as a richer EU member we do our bit for the poorer ones, just as Germany helps us out with its manufacturing might.
More Romani pickpockets. Oh dear. Well, I say more, but there's probably just as many sneaking in through the net anyway...
Not difficult to work out, complete population of one plus two = three.
No English. No Money. No Home. No Job..............................NO ENTRY.
Well thanks for spending our money on benifits and houseson imegrants. We can't get a house but if I come from EU I will have one build for me great.
Mr Pickles I can tell you, any more than one, his to many, put up the shutters, the place his FULL.
Prepare for flood ! You have no idea what will happen .
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
For a start the govenment needs to get rid of the people who are not entitled to live here and should only allow in people who can contribute and are willing intergrate into the British way of life. JD.
The governments estimate will be similar to their Polish estimate. They will no doubt spout forth that " maybe as many as 150 to 160 Romanians will come and about 15 to 20 Bulgarians. That's just our estimate you understand? There should not be any more than that?"
425,000 expected? That should read FOUR MILLION AT LEAST. VOTE UKIP AND END THIS EU MADNESS.
Bulgaria is 7 million. Get your facts right and the damage to your country has already been done. We are not the threat - nether the Romanians are.Negativism and hatred towards whole nations is the path to self-destruction. Have more respect for countries and people you know nothing of ...
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
It's more than likely the criminals and con artist spongers will come. They are the only ones who can afford it, the rest of the countries are too poor!
Well Mr Pickles, if you do not know how many, set an acceptable number and limit it to that. Don't worry about too many coming as by 2015 we will be out of the EU and exporting most of these unwelcome benefit tourists back to their wonderful continental home.
I think Eric Pickles does care, but he cannot express a view because it will result in a slap of the wrist from Cameron. So come the 31st December this country will be obliged to allow possibly 100's of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians to come into this country, with access to housing and state welfare benefits. This is absolute madness and can not be allowed to happen. If Cameron thinks the people of this country will put up with this, he is mistaken.This country must leave the EU before this happens. Vote UKIP.
After watching that interview with Andrew Neil it shows the depth of incompetence or couldn't care less attitude by senior politicians within this government. What an absolute shower he and his sidekick,Nick Boles are.
We are not under any obligation to these people, if they have no job or anywhere to stay when they arrive here, then that is tough, we cannot keep building houses for new arrivals, we have not the space. They will just have to get in the back of the queue and take their chances. We need to show that Britain is not a soft touch and that life can be very tough here.
My response would be.....all of them!, and that's exactly what the Politicians want, nothing happens by accident.
Do something to stop it then. Why do we bother to elect a government in this country?
We will only how many plan to come when it is too late. I truly despair of the overcrowding in this country.
This county is utterly mad.... Who in there right minds would allow this .... We can't house, school or care for those here already !!! Ludicrous!!!!!
Seriously, what's it going to take to stop this?
About 2.5 Million Piko.
This simply can't be allowed to happen - are they crazy? The country is struggling enough without this as well!
Most countries have certain requirements for EU citizens to settle - they must be self supporting, requires certain groups to have health insurance and cannot access benefits- why can't Britain implement these rules?
THIS charade is yet ANOTHER good reason to exit Europe, we can then "grow up" and control our own borders.
Can someone tell me why they are being let in?? If you're not careful Cameron, you will have a country of foreigners because all the British people will emigrate!
Don t build on our beautiful countryside just to house these parasites.... don t let them in
I will tell you then,migrant's will come in droves,who would turn down the chance of a house to be had free health working tax credit,something unheard of when I left school in the sixties,if you wanted more money you had to work overtime in all 48 hours a week I enjoyed going to work and still do,it gives you get up and go.I do not blame them for coming here, if there was a country that did for migrant's what this country does I would go tomorrow.
Truly terrifying
Well just ignore the EU new rules and say no entry. What can they do that could possibly cost us more?
I know how many will come.....1 is too much. UKIP or nothing for me.
What is the point of making comment. Who listens to the man in the street, and more to the point if they did they have their own agenda. & ignore us.
There's no room at the Inn.
Why not have a six month waiting time before non-refugee immigrants can claim?
This is the reason we need a referendum on the EU. Britain does not need thousands possibly millions more immigrants, who have a reputation for crime, that we will be forced to admit because of EU regulations. We have millions unemployed in this country and an economy that is flatlining. We need to bring in restrictions to reduce dramatically the number of immigrants entering the UK from inside and outside the EU. Cameron has totally failed to get control of immigration and that will cost him dearly at the next election
If an estimated 425,000 settle here the actual figure will probably be twice that. While we are struggling to survive our taxes will be supporting these people. And imagine the pressure this will bring on the NHS as people come here for free treatment. It's utter madness. Can't something be done? Cameron said he was going to get tough with the EU so let's see some action.
this is stupidity at its worst.allowing millions of people into this tiny island. are politicians completly brain dead
Eric, you may not know how many Romanians and Bulgarians will come here but us, the British public do........thousands and thousands of them, so get working on stopping them now. Will someone in this Government please get a grip on immigration.......we don't want them here. Just get us out of the EU now......we don't care what the cost is.......just get us out. That's the only thing that will put DC back in No 10.
If we had a cap on immigration then they would know wouldn't they!! Another question which should be asked is WHY are they coming right across Europe to settle and find work in the UK. Could it be that we, at the moment, are more tolerant towards immigrants than any other country in Europe, plus we have the unemployment benefits system, and social housing for immigrants (but not our homeless)
No more please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do I move to?
Housing Market? Doesn't he mean "Squatters"?
We have to ask why our country is so attractive to immigrants given that it is slowly sinking beneath the waves.
The queen has 20,000 acres spare at Sandringham, why not put a few hundred low cost houses up there to house our foreign visitors?
Too many... Full stop...
Don't let them in then! If France can do it do can we!
Personally I welcome our brothers from the east, the more the merrier.
''MPs have previously warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move to these shores'' - - - - - - - - - they missed out these two important words - 'every year'.
So why don't they do something about it,they have known about this for a long time.
All of you who voted for a pro-EU or One Nation party at the last four General Elections should go to the cenotaph in your city, town or village, read the names and ages of the dead and bow your head in shame.
Time to act now before it is too late.
Our traitorous government is giving our country away to these people and we are just letting them do it. If a nation can't be bothered to defend it borders it probably deserves to be eradicated.
Tell Dave - stop talking and start walking. It's not just houses - it's bigger than that. People are getting a little short on patience with the queue and benefit jumping.
To say ' it will cause problems' is an understatement and I suggest your Government pulls its finger out and do something about it before there is massive trouble.
If they haven't got a home they can't settle.
Not just housing, think Schools, NHS, Dentists and without a doubt a lot of criminals, but my big question is how are we going to fund all this as well as the Benefits and eventually your PENSION.
Obviously the prime minister thinks that this is a good idea, otherwise he would do put a stop to it by giving the public a referendum.
No, and Pickles won't know how many there are after they arrive, either.
If I was a government minister these are the figures I would be looking at ; if 300,000 people came here and could n't find work they would be entitled to benefits which including housing , would be a minimum of £10,000 per year for each claimant .This would cost the country £ 3 billion and does not include health and other social costs.Of course these figures are only provisional, but whatever the outcome Britain will face enormous costs if this expected influx takes place.
Time to shut the Damn door.
Civil servants forecast 13,000 would arrive from Poland. 1 Million came. If they forecast 400,000 Romanians and Bulgarians , then number is more likely to be 5 Million+. Any you thought it couldn't get worse !!!!!!!
For goodness sake do something NOW .... the thought of another 420,000 + immigrants descending on this country is horrifying ....
Don't know, and Don't care more like, and powerless to do anything about it.
Why do Cameron and Milliband keep saying that its in our National interest to be in the EU? Our services will be stuffed if all those people come over! Vote for the only party who'll ever offer you a proper referendum UKIP.
Your comments: We dont want any of them. Its too small here - stay away
It would put pressure on rented housing, as the government continues to give huge tax breaks to landlords who leave their properties empty so there is no incentive for rental prices to drop. However there are plenty of people trapped in negative equity in the stagnant housing market so if any of these Bulgarians or Romanians can invest in property in the UK they might actually do some good in that sector.
Please STOP this madness.
Oh oof, just do the right thing and shut the gate, lock the back door and don't open the front door. We are full up already.
its not only housing, its schools, roads, doctors, and especially hospitals. All these people think they are entitled to free housing and free schools, free medical treatments and they haven't paid a penny into our system. Its a disgrace that this is being allowed to happen over and over again.
We do know how many to many just like back in 2004 when they came Time to stop them only way UKIP our country has already been destroyed
Complete madness to leave EU? This proves it is has to be in our interests to leave. We are well within our rights, as we have never been consulted on our membership of EU in it's present form
i give up , i wish i could escape this joke of a country , ukip all the way
God help us!
I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT BLOCK OF ABOUT 20 APARTMENTS AND IM THE ONLY IRISH PERSON HERE.. 1 IN 4 POLISH IN IRELAND ARE NOW LIVING ON WELFARE IM SURE ITS THE SAME IN THE UK IF NOT MORE.. GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THIS NEXT 'BATCH' ARRIVE !!!
He clearly failed to keep up his new year resolution. :P
We don't want any...... The country is too crowded with scroungers already.
Stop this now. Enough is enough. Have we not learned anything from 2004? We cannot cope with an endless trail of people coming here claiming benefits, taking up housing, filling our schools with their kids... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE'RE ALREADY FULL TO THE RAFTERS WITH POLISH WHO WE WERE TOLD WOULDN'T COME ALSO...GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THE ROMANIANS AND BULGARIANS ARRIVE ....AND COME THEY WILL...!!
Lets hope when they arrive that they all bring shedloads of money with them toi buy their homes and to pay for all their needs. Their lives are not our responsibility. We would not go to anyone elses county and expect their citizens to bankroll our lives.
Germany made the Poles wait seven years. Why is that not an option here or is the country once again being dictated to by employers and shareholders demanding the right to employ coolie labour?
Just watching program called being poor! Why are we letting in immigrants who draining this country, and government policies target British people as benefit scrounges and stupid middle class fools believe the drivel! Close are boarders!
Why should they be entitled to housing? or benefits? or any other freebies for that matter. When did any of them contribute to our welfare system? The sooner we are out the better.
another reason to quit the eu
Well an awfull lot won't bother if you don't give em benefits & council houses will they "Eric I don't go without a big Sunday dinner pickles" !!
There's a very simple answer to this. Take back control of our borders and decide to not let wave after wave of unrestricted immigration threaten an already very overpopulated island. In fact why don't we stop immigration 100% for say a year or so and use the time to sort out the backlog of cases that we already have and get rid of everybody who should not be here!
Go on Eric, have a guess. NuLab reckoned we would get less than 20,000 Polish, you can't be more wrong than them, surely!!!
it's already causing problems .... when are the government going to realise.action needs to be taken ... shut the doors now ....
We need to move whats left of our Army to Dover and all the other ports to keep these leeches out
''warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move'' You should multiply by 5. There are already about one milion Polish people here, and believe me live in Romania and Bulgaria is even harder than in Poland.
What is the point of making cutbacks and savings to get the country out of this mess, and then let in 450,000 who will not be skilled so they will be claiming benefits. The country cannot afford, we cannot house our own people never mind this lot, its time to say enough is enough. If Cameron does nothing to stop this all I can say he can say goodbye to another term in office. Now you know why people are turning to UKIP is it any wonder?
If it was I in power exactly ZERO!
And Cameron says we'd be mad to leave the EU!!!!!!
It's an on-going problem, and in reality we're not going to stop these influxes. it's time to nationalise the house building cartels and start constructing a million new homes a year until the problem's resolved.
Stop bloody letting them in then for heavens sake it's not rocket science
Leave the EU and stop immigration. This is the only way this country will be able to regain its wealth and rebalance its infrastructure to cope with its present excessive population.
1 from each country would be too many in my opinion, no wonder everyone wants out of the EU, immigration is probably the number one concern in this country, but David Cameron still does n't get it. I would be happy to stay in the EU if we got rid of Euro free movement and the human rights nonsense (thank you Bliar) , otherwise there really is no other choice, UKIP
This must be stopped before its to late. We are bursting point now!!!!!
Nice one :/ its going to be even harder for people to find jobs and homes! Why are you letting More in I really don't understand! Can't wait to get out of this grim over populated country one day!
I expect all the British 'Big Issue' sellers will earily dissapear, just like they did in Chester, and be replaced by Romanians. I wish old women would stop giving these people money.
we need OUT OF THE EU before this can happen! vote UKIP!
I predict a Major Civil Unrest in all parts of the UK in the not too distant future, the british people especially the young are getting seriously hacked off with this out of control immigration & before the red arrows appear i'm all for immigration but the sheer numbers coming to this small island is just unsustainable - we cannot afford the housing, medical care & the benefits for which i'm sure a great majority will be claiming. If we weren't so generous with handouts for the workshy & a spineless justice system which makes this a haven for criminals maybe this country wouldn't be such an attractive destination.
I'm sure some of the houses in Downing Street could be coverted into flats so some of the Roma could live there :o)
So they will be entitled to house with garden as soon as they come in? I have been working and paying taxes; yet I have been in the non priority register for how many years now(?) because I could not have children. Is that fair? Being a low income earner, I am forced to rent from a greedy landlady who needs her house more than the people she rented it out to. Can the present Condem govenment do something about who should be put in councils' housing priority list. Surely, when they troop in, it will further elongate how many years more I will have to stay in the non priority register. Will I ever get help? Lord Have mercy!
Stop the coming then. Problem solved
Nick Boles, Eric Pickles, Philip Hollobone and estimates without any basis or foundation. Please dont insult our intelligence.
Say "no" then !! .... When is this country going to grow a pair ??
Surely Mr Pickles is in a position to put an indefinite delay on the unlimited access to these east Europeans. We don.t have the infrastructure to Cope with unlimited immigration any more.
As long as they don't scrounge and they behave themselves then I don't mind who comes here
truely,we are sunk.money taken from us for the economy will now feed and house a flood of new immigrants.looking forward to the rioting,whitch will surely come
Stop all benefits to people who have not paid into the system, that will insure they wont come here
We need to remove all these pro european parties from power as soon as possible or Great Britain will be lost forever!
So, in reality we are expecting in excess of a million. More pressure on welfare, housing, social services, jobs etc. And Dave and his gang wonder why UKIP are becoming more popular by the day
Here we go again!!!
PICKLES, THE ANSWER IS TOO MANY AND WE DONT WANT THEM!!!!!
UKIP! UKIP! make a stand!
If there are so many dangers and threats to infrastructure from too many immigrants, why the hell doesn't the Border Control staff get orders to refuuse to let them in? There should be more strong and tough leadership dveloping to control this mad EU idea which will eventually damage us beyond repair.
So sort it out then, you rightly criticised the Liebour lot when they ignored and lied to us when we faced a previous situation like this, interestingly the Lefties are now pretending to be sorry, money where mouth is, not pasties!!!!!!
Mr Pickles your answer to how many immigrants will come here from those countries ... Is none. ... That is if the government do their job properly and halt unessary immigration untill the economy improves.... As we have a surplus of workers and shops closing due to massive increasing Internet sales ... It is crazy to import more to add to the unemployment queues... And the government want to cut the benefits cost ... More immigrants will increase the benefit costs... Basic logic... Is our government really fit for purpose ..?... No wonder very few bother to vote.
close the borders to all non nationals without a job and without a place to live, restrict all benefits to those who have been working and paying into the system for 2 years and the same for access to the NHS and ensure this is made clear in all EU countries, if this is done the UK may just stand a chance of survival.
So why can't the restriction just be extended? Or is that a decision for the EU policymakers who now control our borders.
As Larry would say...shut that door! UKIP for me.
'up to 425,000' Dont make me laugh....more like triple or quadruple that number AT LEAST *sigh*
Any suggestions Eric ? Or are you as clueless as the rest of the ConLibLab tribe .
Now we have it from a horses mouth, unfettered immigration is causing a shortage in the UK housing market. And this is why they want to turn our greenbelt into housing estates, after all they're depending on getting their votes come the next election.
Tell us something we don't know. Even better, tell us what you are going to do to stop this problem, or are the British taxpayers going to have to dig deeper to pay for these freeloading migrants. Remember, if you don't take action, more people will vote UKIP
easy. if you are not leagal in britain.then make it illegal to sell to them
No other Country in the EU houses us !! , so why are we expected to not only house anyone that walks into Britain but to feed clothe and give jobs to all these unwanted immigrants! If they don't have their own means of support and a job then we should do as other Countries do and that is to not allow them in. These people have a home in their own Country so why are we expected to cover our lovely Countryside building houses for this lot.....it doesn't make an ounce of sense and its grossly unfair to the British people.
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock..... and employment , schols, the NHS, and the rest. Stop talking and DO SOMETHING ABOUT!
Enough said UKIP and now otherwise we only have ourselves to blame. None of these people will bring anything to this country other than crime and debt!
WELCOME ! HERE,S A FREE HOUSE ! HERE,S YOUR FREE MEDICINES, HERE,S YOUR FREE BENEFITS,IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ,A FREE INTERPRETER WILL BE PROVIDED TO HELP YOU CLAIM ALL YOUR FREE ENTITLEMENTS.JUST VOTE CONSERVATIVE OR LABOUR WHEN YOU GET HERE ! THATS FREE AS WELL !
Heads in the sand, backsides in the air, whistling through the whole of the afternoon. That's the UK in the EU. The MPs will be responsible for civil rioting here.
If we get too many you could always eat them Mr P.
You'll just have to tell them that we're full. Council Housing has a ten year waiting list. So unless you have very special skills don't make the journey!
Pickles showed himself to be the useless, uninformed blob that I thought he was this morning. He thinks his arrogant responses give him some kind of gravitas, but Andrew Neal made him look a fool.
Well I actually hope it happens because people who just sit back and don't vote and call everyone racist for mentioning the floodgates being opened will maybe finally get a taste of what they have so long wished for. Enjoy it you DIDN'T vote for it!
UKIP
When did we ever give permission to give our country away to all and sundry .we never ageed to this when we joined the common market .our country has been hijacked with the connivance of our politicians.you,ve sold us out and for what.UKIP now second in the polls,surprise surprise Cameron .
yeah, and if you didn't make it so easy for immigrants to come here and litterally rob the place, they'd go elsewhere - idiot!
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock.... and employment, the NHS, schols and the rest. Stop talking about AND DO SOMETHING!
Well then chubby cheeks get Scameron to give us a referendum before they come so we can exit stage left or right I don't care as long we don't have hordes of people coming here for economic reasons Like the millions already here with no loyalty or history tying them to the country
Even one is to many, they say leaving the EEC would be a disaster for the UK I say it will be a disaster to stay in what about the strain on jobs, hospitals, schools, benefits, we have had to claw back on pension benefits and every other benefit why do we allow them to send child benefits back to Poland so if your benefit is stopped I bet it isn't for them, I would never have voted form UKIP before but I will never vote for lab/lib/cons ever again
The answer to that, Mr Pickles,? close the gates and start counting!!!
Errrmmm all of them...
What the hell !!!!! Whose bright sparks idea is this? Whoever it is I'm not voting them in!!!!!!
Britain is doomed.............................what's the answer ?
We will all be in big trouble when this happens we are overwhelmed now by eastern europeans begging on every street corner and taking any jobs available not to mention the benefits they send back home.But no the government would rather punish the sick and disabled that were born and bred here.
VOTE UKIP! PLEASE!!!!
Eric Pickles says 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'"Never who would have guessed"!!But what its all about is Pakistanis and Indians will work for less than Poles and Romanians and Bulgarians will work for even less! Its all about driving living standards down and creating a no hope no future British Society!
"from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain." So shall we have 100,000,000 on this already overcrowded island, by 2015
My Granddad was gassed in the first world war, my dad came back from Burma a cabbage,after being lost in the jungle,and my other granddad took shrapnel to hishead,although he was Ok. Now your asking me to give up England without a fight. I do`nt think so. This green and pleasant land.
Enough - stop this madness!
Take the offical government estimate then times it by 10 then you will be closer to the truth, all part of the EU and Shamerons master plan to flood us, then give a referendum when the country has more EU parasites than British people, pleasing his mates for more slave labour at the same time, then he can get rid of the welfare state as it will become even more unsustainable.
This government has on idea about any thing. Keith43/Ludlow
How many will come here ? Too many. Only good thing is that it will increase the UKIP vote.
i'd say vote UKIP but even if they got into power in the next election it'll be to late..... Congratulations Labour and Conservatives, you've taken the Great out of Britain
Oh, I know, I know, pick me, pick me !!! . . . anywhere between 1 and 2 million, maybe even more !!! Hooray, what fun, the more the merrier !!! I just love being a part of the EU and it's free movement directives . . . (SOMEBODY HELP US PLEASE !!!)
He has an idea of numbers he said. He is just refusing to say.
We have say NO now,we are overcrowded, schools full,hospitals to busy to cope,no spare housing.if your home is Full then you don't allow more to stay has anyone got the guts to say please stay away no house no benefits no jobs.Thought eu immigrants couldn't claim for a year so why bother coming????it's going to end in tears.
Your comments:God help us !
It is simple to know how many will come here to treasure island. Defy the Euro unelecteds who dictate what we can or can't do in our own country and refuse entry to all. It is highly unlikely any of them can add anything constructive to this country over and above what we already have here. Just another huge drain on benefits and housing.
We can't afford them, either financially or socially. Our already stretched infrastructure and public services will just simply not be able to cope and why should we build on more of our green nod pleasant land just to ccomodate them - once it's gone, it's gone. Close this door NOW nod only think about reviewing it when we have made sufficient provision for our own people, those who have contributed and paid into the country for many years and have earned their right to a return for their efforts. Bring on the next lection and bring on UKIP - and a leader ho will possibly make a decision for the benefit of this country.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AFTER THE SHAMBLES UNDER LABOUR, THIS SHOWER WOULD HAVE LEARNT SOMETHING, BUT NO. IT WON'T AFFECT PAMPERED MP'S ANY. BY THE WAY, WHY IS THIS COUNTRY DUTY BOUND TO GIVE THEM ANYTHING AT ALL. VOTE BNP OR UKIP!!.
However many will be to many
close our borders
How are we going to cope with even more people coming here??? Already massive unemployment and our benefit system is already struggling, not to mention hospitals and schools and housing!! Very depressing!!!
Why don't we just pack up and move out?
Saw the Pickles interview with Andrew Neill - Pickles was in a pickle; I was waiting for Mr Neill to ask him what his name was as he couldn't be certain about anything else. He was stupid enough to make false claims about house building in 2013 - which will come back to haunt him
Can we please just say 'NO!'
It's not just the housing market that will have problems. The roads, the underground, the trains, the schools, the hospitals, indeed the whole infrastructure of our country which was built to accommodate 50 million people, not 70 million +.
'If you want to change the party....lead it' 'If you want to change the country ......lead it' If you don't get us out of Europe this will not be possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
" give [ us ] your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." So that we can be the same.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
It is not the housing market as such that is under pressure from these free loaders, they are not coming here to purchase a house. It is the councils that must house these people and must find a house to 'give' them. Here is an idea, stop the hot air and change the benefit rules. Job done
Why do we have to home them?
GREAT,come flocking here for our handouts,not our climate
We simply cannot accept these countries migrants. The door must be firmly closed NOW !
Hey Mr Pickles here is number you should look at >>>>0<<<<<
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
Polish immigrants were estimated to reach 25k, the reality was 750k this government can't even look after those who live here now, never mind welcoming more to our shores
They should have some idea as to the amount of people coming as they have figures from past immagration. they dont want to admit that we are going to be overrun, with more claiming benefits and expection houses.
I'd like Pickles to build the homes for the 2 million that are coming here hear his house and those of the Cabinet.
'UK's housing market to come under pressure from new wave of EU immigrants...' No worries here, folks! Obviously, the focus for the new arrivals will be the up-market properties in Hampstead so often favoured by refugees, asylum seekers and migrants; and funded by Housing benefit, of course. Still, if it's only the housing market that is seen as an issue, then we can reasonably assume an extra 300,000 or so supplicants lining up at the benefits free money pool won't also be a cause for concern? ps. Given the chronic inability of politicians and civil servants to get the numbers right, let's assume that the expected inflow will probably top the million mark?
Its very simple Pickles, you don't let ANYONE in unless they have a confimred job to go to, they have medical insurance and they have a confirmed place to stay. Anyone without all three from anywhere is only granteda 90 day visitors visa and if they overstay even by one day they are banned from re-entry for a minimum 10 years, life for a second offence.
Don't let them in. These countries are disasters, and the only organised thing about them are their criminals. How do I know this? I work with these people all the time and they tell me this themselves.
Ill tell you 200 000
No benefits for foreigners,they won't come if they know that they will not get free housing and money to send back home.Other countries don't throw their taxpayers' money away,why the hell do we?Answer,we have the most inept,stupid politicians on earth at both national and local level. My friends' son was working in France and when he lost his job he was refused any benefits and no housing benefits.The reason he was given for this refusal? He isn't French.Our politicians are spineless and should be forcibly removed by the people from office.
I honestly believe that the British are past caring anymore, much prefering to close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la, nothing to do with me!!!
They are absolute stupid!! If you had a chance of a free house, benefits, free healthcare all what you couldn't get in your own country what would you do? Millions you can be sure of that!!
I asked my 4 year old grandson how we stop this. He said that we should stop paying them to come here. That's what I was thinking and also probably the entire nation. Why can't our MPs see this? Are they so detatched from logical thought that they are in a tiny little world of their own that cannot see reality?
'If you want to change the party lead it' 'If you want to change the country lead it' If we do not come out of Europe the above is not possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
So whats your answer to this then CaMORON i supppose in YOUR World it doe'nt matter.
We've had Blair and Brown lying and covering up about mass immigration and the destruction of the Brotish way of life. It seems Pickles and by association Cameron intend to follow down the same road of untruth.
So the people in charge say they cant do anything....! They cant even guess at th size of the problem....! So tell me again, why are they in charge?
I wouldnt believe any number they quote, this country really is on its last legs, what the hell is it going to be like in 10 years? Vote ukip!!
Labour and Tories are just traitors. Anyone that votes for these two parties cares nothing for our culture, identity, and heritage being preserved.Vote UKIP
Just stop all immigration. Simple.
We know how many will come - all of them! A no brainer. UK benefits payout more money than the average wage in Bulgaria. This needs to stop. It's crazy.
Your comments:so if i go to spain ill get a house for free /dont think so ? offer them a tent ! or will that upset these private landlords making big profits?
The Government MUST legislate immediately to make sure that this unnecessary and unwanted influx does NOT happen at the end of the year
How can they come here, there are no jobs ,no housing and no school places. My own family are struggling with all the above, We need a Referundum now to show these politicians that we don't want these immigrants coming here and taking away the lives that we have worked for and feel we are letting our own British children down.
Here we go again. More for our schools and hospitals to cope with. Bring on the UKIP government.
Probably in that case now is a good time to leave the EU
just tell them there are no jobs,no spare houses and no free cash on offer,they will soon head somewhere else or are the politicos too scared of big brother in brussles ?
Quite Simple Mr Pickles, rip up the rule book that says they can come here, if not move aside for U.K.I.P
Well do something about it now - before it happens. For god's sake its not as if you haven't had warning. Block our borders and let Germany deal with it.
Bulgaria's economy and living standards are tanking. Romania has always had problems. Why live a life of hardship and poverty(real poverty not 2 flat screen tv's and an Xbox poverty) when you can come to benefits Britain. All expenses paid!
If only people born here were allowed to claim benefits then hundreds of thousands of them would not be planning on coming here. Those that do should only be allowed in if they can afford to house and feed themselves.
yeah, another nail in the 'i love my country' coffin
why the social housing? if they come here with nothing then they have made themselves intensiously homeless and should get nothing, thats the way it works with us.
This next batch of East Europeans should be held in Brussels until we have our referendum on opting out of the EU! WE ARE FULL HERE!!
Why not have a referendum on europe before December so we can bailout, then shut our borders and sorry boys no room at the inn
Eric try some honesty you have not got a clue how many will come and the governments have known about this time bomb for years yet there to afraid to do what will stop this invasion they seem to for gotten all those lives that were lost so we could live our lives as free Britains the really frightening thing you have no clue how many europeans are already hear how many are illegals and when some are convicted you have no power to kick them out you may as well pack your bags now
Unbelievable. I hope the government won't tlet this happen.
When is this madness going to end?
It will be more than the housing market that will feel the pressure. Where is the work for them? What about their health care? The list is endless. This country just can't take any more people!!
1) Well we the British people are still waiting for our referendum that you promised from the last election. 2 )This is not what we voted for on the Common Market . 3 )We do not have enough jobs for our own people. 4 )If we do not get our vote, then we will have to fight you on the streets.
Oh my god, just say no.
One of the undisputed benefits of being in the EU???
This will be the end of the UK.....RIP not so great Britain
just have the b...s to say enough is enough we are full up there is no more money why do we have to take everyone from europe no other country does get us out of europe now vote ukip but i fer it is too late
So thousands, if not millions of unskilled migrants coming over to claim our land of milk and honey. We wouldn't have this if we were out of the EU. I'm voting UKIP next election.
Pickles don`t tell us about the Problem Tell us what YOU are going to do about it.
You misquoted him! What he actually said was "We don't know and we don't care...."!
UKIP. That is all.
What have they done to our poor country?
So where is it written that they have to be housed by the british taxpayer. This government need to get a grip because so far they've been bloody useless. They're supposed to be 'in charge' yet do nothing. Roll on the election
perhaps I am a little confused but why is it going to cause a problem with social housing, surely they will not be entitled to that.
I absolutely give up. I've had it with this country. It's run by buffoons and we are just as bad for standing by and doing nothing about it.
Every Government has under-estimated the numbers migrating from new EU countries with all sorts of problems for the UK infrastructure, culture and crime situation. The British people did NOT vote for this massive influx of peoples. A referendum on the EU is massively overdue.
We are governed by morons.
We all know (Except the Government) what is coming our way from the East in December, and our wicked Government will do nothing to stop through fear of being called racists. The Daily Mail recently reported whole villages and towns are going to empty in pursuit of welfare funding here, one assumes that the sick and elderly won't be left behind so who is going to pay for their welfare. Are they going to go to the top of the list in front of our hard pressed pensioners who have contributed all their lives.
So all those for the EU including Milliband what is their response to this influx of labour who will pay minimal tax but claim all the benefits? Why isn't this included in their support for the EU. It is all conveniently hidden under the carpet. I want to remain in the EU but not with all these absurd laws which does nobody any good.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
This whole open doors EU policy combined with our ridiculous benefits system and human rights lawyers is going to land the UK in one thing - Civil unrest
Dont worry Eric just some more of Tony B-Liars economic migrants coming over to help us prosper even more
There'll be a revolution in this country yet because the government just does'nt listen to its people at all.
Simple. Make the "temporary restrictions" permanent.
Why does Britain let everyone in??
None!! That's how many we want here. Close the doors to the lot of them.
uk has no work,no houses,and no will to take these migrates,so just dont let them and tell the EU to go to hell
This is all part of the big plan to kill nationalism which they blame as the cause of the World Wars in the 20th Century. But this is a very dangerous game, because it could backfire, you have to have the numbers right, which clearly the politicians dont have. Blair opened the doors and it has remained opened ever since. This plan might stop World Wars, but it wont stop civil unrest on our streets if jobs become non-existent and locals on council lists are pushed to the back of the list by EU migrants. Expect a stormy year ahead, and more inaction on the part of the politicians. Eric Pickles is warning his Government of what lies ahead, wonder if they are going to listen, not!
We don't bloody want them! I'm sick of it!!! I scrimp and save and work my a** off and can't afford to buy a home yet no doubt they will waltz over, get a fee house, take our tax and cause crime. I'm sorry but NO!!
why when our own youngsters carnt get social housing and they have to pay high private rents. you carnt understand this government
Thank you Mr Blair and Brown, signing us up to this madness, so we can look forward to another influx of villans and free loaders who will be entittled to our taxes to support them. Brilliant!
It's simple. Only pay benefits to anyone British born and over sixteen years of age, or anyone who has lived, worked and contributed for a minimum of three years. Then implement the EU rule that no EU immigrant should be a burden on their host nation.
The estimates are clearly way off and the real estimates will not be aired because of the dissent it will cause. Your looking at a major movement of people from both countries within the first year. We're talking one million plus in the first year and up to 2.5 million total after two years. Both countries will be emptied out of criminals and the poor, they'll all be here wanting benefits, housing and health care whilst begging, robbing and trafficking drugs and people.
None of this makes a great deal of sense to me. We are not going to be flooded with migrants buying all the houses since they don't have the money to buy. They can rent of course but we can't just go building houses to accommodate immigrants, that would be stupid. But then when have people like Nick Boles ever displayed much intelligence. If the houses don't exist for them to live in then they can just go back where they came from (he says hopefully)
We do know how many will come, almost all of them. Why would anyone want to stay there when they can't come here and get a house and be paid more in benefits than they could earn working at home. One day people will look back on this sort of immigration and see it for what it is, a disaster, not only for the UK and host countries like us, but also for the countries all these people leave. How are those countries supposed to get better and progress when we steal all their talent? They pay to train doctors, nurses, dentists etc and then we take them away from them. How can that be fair? Even when it comes to asylum it's wrong. Iran persicutes gays. So we allow their gays to come here and claim asylum. So who is left in Iran to drive change? Eventually Iran will become a gay free zone, isn't that what they wanted in the first place?
The economic migrants arriving from Romania and Bulgaria are just another nail in the coffin of British jobs for British people, so expect a HUGE rise in redundancies in November 2013 clearing the decks for bosses to pay minimum wage to the new comers while those who have worked hard will now be demonized as shirkers.
Don't kid yourself. The only thing this man is probably scared of is a shortage of food.
OK thats fair enough I don`t suppose anyone knows Mr Pickles but what is more relevant is what are you going to do about preventing another massive influx of jobless homeless and unskilled immigrants .
Just DON'T let any of them in!!!
Then don't let them in, plain and simple.
The housing market comes under pressure whenever Mr Pickles visits one.
Simple Eric do not let any in, we have no jobs,no housing and the people do not want them here.....if the EU cry foul then just red card them
Just bear in mind that No British Government, has Ever Been Given Consent to Permit Mass Immigration under any pretext !
Out of the E.U and stop all but the necessary immigration now.
A more pertinent question could be, "What affect will this have on the, already, overstretched NHS?" because quite frankly I cannot see how the NHS can exist in the face of uncontrolled migration. Don't forget that anyone can more to the the UK from within the EU and with the unemployment figures soaring on the Continent you do wonder how many of these people are thinking of moving to the UK's relatively healthy employment market - especially when you realise that some EU nations are not as generous to jobseekers/unemployed as us.
Easy. Do NOT give them social housing or benefits. Leave them on the streets and they will soon go home.
Incompetent inept muppets in government who are not fit for purpose, time for the British people to stand up and be counted!!
He doesn't know how many will come here? We all know, so why doesn't he know?
Boosting the economy or having a happier society, which is more important ?
Do you need any more reasons to get out of the EU now? Vote UKip!
Excuse me for being a bit dull, but why are they expected to come here rather than France/Germany etc? As much as I hate being a part of Europe and think we should get out pronto, why can't we as a country do whatever France/Germany are doing to discourage them from going there instead? Be it tougher immigration, less benefit payouts? Or have I missed the point, and they're expected to go there as well? Maybe some one would like to enlighten me as the DM don't seem to be!
These people, plus their families, have been given a free entry ticket into the UK by the EU, and can claim unemployment and housing benefits on arrival. Yet our overstretched services can hardly cope with the people we already have, and pressure on hospitals, schools, housing, is enormous. Plus, twenty two per cent of our young unemployed, so even more competition for scarce jobs. IT IS UTTER IRRESPONSIBLE MADNESS allowed by pro EU Cameron and Co living in their ivory towers, who obviously don't give a damn about what is in the best interests of the people of this country. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP WHO WOULD PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
We have no more room. Please make it stop.
More immigrants to milk us dry. Have they all got jobs to come to? Can they afford to buy their own home and feed their families? Will they contribute to our society by paying taxes? No? Then close the borders. Great Britain is full and her people are fed up with this madness. Get us out of the EU now!
The number should be ZERO. Only people who can contribute to our society and pay tax on the income which they will earn, from the work which they have pre-arranged before travel, should be considered for entry. Not one however, should be eligable to claim from the benefits system...
Being the UK government wish britain to become the benifit capital of the world why not give all the british people a lump sum to live abroad, be plenty of housing to give away then
Shut the doors NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, it won't be a problem.. We have plenty of social housing, jobs, school places and hospital beds available for these hard working people. I know some of them have never worked in their own countries but as soon as they get here that will change and we won't be able to move for big issue sellers and beggars adding their diversity to the wonderful mix that already exists. Are our politicians complete idiots ? Sorry that was a rhetorical question. Please can someone explain to me why they want to ruin our lives and our children's future ?
The Government should grow some and say NO! Enough is enough.
Great Britain ha ha ha ha all these Bulgarian and Romanian migrants should be housed in Scotland where Brown, Blair, Darling etc all come from.
More lost jobs and more benefits. Enough is enough. This is just ASKING for it. The people of this country are reaching boiling point. Whatever the colour of the party rosette they are all the same. What is the answer? UKIP is not ready to govern this country: they are still too busy sorting out the dissension in their ranks. So what's the answer. Yes that's right another term for labour. And we know what happened last time we had labour in power. But then again there's not a fag paper between the lot of them. All self-serving hypocrites whose main concern is their own pockets and sucking up to the EU, not looking after their own.
So what? They either pay for somewhere to live or they sleep on the streets.
Close the doors now we don't want any of them!!!
So come on Cameron and Co.tell the EU what to do and keep the restrictions. We are full up already without a load more immigrants.
There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about this. Just hope it is the hard working that come over, not the pick pockets and other criminals.
tell them the uk is full go home
why are more people being allowed to come here i do not want romanian people being given free reign to come here because of the crimninal activities they indulge in, in aussie land they do not just allow anyone in unless they are bringing in a skill not just to scrounge on state handouts there has to be a srtict criteria and limits the housing waiting list is at bursting point that famalies are being shipped to the outskirts of london cameron has to come out of the eu
Quite frankly any is too many, we've had enough immigrants from Eastern Europe come here over the last decade & we can't take anymore, vote UKIP.
We're all doomed !!, I just love paying taxes especially for those who haven't put a penny in.
We do... MILLIONS!
simple no benefits can be claimed until you have completed two years in work,and mut show you have come over to fill a job vacancy,rush this bill through now before its to late.alot of other countries do this why not us.
Why would it affect social housing? They should not be offered social housing. If I went to Romania I wouldn't be given a house I would have to rent one PRIVATELY.
I fail to see why any of these immigrants should have any entitlement to social housing. They should only be able to enter if they can prove that they have the financial means to support themselves and their families without recourse to tax payer provided funds.
What Jabba is saying here is absolutely correct. We CANNOT allow any more people onto this island. We need to start getting physical. We need to start manning the borders ourselves. If our politicians won't do anything, then we need to do it ourselves. Our generation is so apathetic because we live in an age where most people alive today have never really had to fight for anything. We were born with our freedom. DON'T allow it to be taken from us. This is our island. It is our DUTY to defend it. FOR YOUR CHILDREN
we are the dumping ground of europe if they have not got a job then they should not be allowed in and nobody who arrives here should not be given housing carry on like this and syria will seem like a heated debate
I vote for British politicians yet the final say on an issue as important as immigration is made by faceless Europeans elected by nobody. We have no control over our own borders, so really the European superstate is already here. How can anyone support this?! It doesn't seem to matter what government we have, left or right, they all seem determined to led us down the same path - the slow, steady and without doubt calculated breakdown of national identity.
Another reason not to let them in.
So they think 425,000 will settle here? Make that 4.25 million. Free benefits, come one come all.
We do not have jobs and homes for Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can tell you Mr Pickles the lot of them or all of them not hard to estimate at all,we already have most of all the EU and rest of the worlds population here.
Housing shortage? What about the job shortage, the extra burden on the NHS, crime. Shut the doors you dumb arse politicians
What restrictions you idiot? The country is full of Romanians and Bulgarians already. They're doing the low paid jobs that our benefits people could be doing, but due to the madness of the EU and some of our more unscrupulous employers who only pay minimum wage, they're easily employable. There's a real hidden cost though that government won't publicise. Once they're here and working, the door to our extensive benefits and tax credit cash machine is wide open, and they can pluck whatever they want from the UK taxpayers pocket. The old political argument that we can always do the same and go to their country and work doesn't wash, because if there was paying work and a good benefits system in their country, they wouldn't be drawn here. So in effect, UK taxpayers are paying out twice. Once to keep the unemployed in the style to which they've become accustomed due to the largess of New Labour, and again in tax & child tax credits to immigrant workers. Employers are the only winners!
Being part of the EU is so great isn't it?
Hundreds of thousands. Mostly on the make. Disaster.
Why can't we be more like Australia? You can come and live here if you pay your way. We have enough of our own claiming benefits for a number of reasons, why should a tiny country like ours have to house and feed the rest of Europe?
The country according to the coalition government is economically & financially straining..yet we STILL have our borders open..the welfare state will take another pounding..this country is in a dire state..maybe we need to take another look at the millions or even the billions we donate to foreign aid..& start concentrating on our own mess..we cant cope with another influx of people..how long until enough is enough
Another reason to leave the EU.
Which part of enough is enough do the british government not understand? We're already struggling, NHS, Schooling, housing? Something tells me before long the UK will simply look like a high rise eastern block suburb! Brilliant!
My word, did anybody see this clown being ripped apart by Andrew Neill on TV today - how utterly embarrassing.
Mr. Eric Pickles says: "The expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans will cause problems". Too late - they already have. Thanks Liebour.
To hell with the "Freedom of Movement" rules. Show some "bulldog spirit" and tell the EU where to go. We cannot keep letting everybody come here. We are full up and teetering on the brink. Put a stop to it now!!!!
Sadly most of them will take jobs and benefits made for the BRITISH people. But... Hopefully some of them will actually STUDY and become someone with a degree and go back to their country.
Send them to Scotland the country thats so inclusive imigrants last a few weeks before heading south .
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
So sick of this. I'm AT LEAST fifth generation English, all of my family are taxpayers. My partner and I work full time and are scrimping and saving for a house, whilst living with my parents. Meanwhile all and sundry can come here, take housing, jobs, benefits and lord knows what else. When will this government do anything to assist people like me?
This government, and previous ones, have done absolutely nothing to stem the flow of immigrants into the UK. They should have closed the borders years ago. As regards to the housing shortage. They should put compulsory purchase orders on run down and empty properties and renovate them - thus cutting the cost. As far as I am concerned they should deport all illegal immigrants and stop benefit to other immigrants claiming. Close the borders NOW.
Not a problem..Lots of accomodation will be found for them when unemployed British people are evicted from their homes and thrown onto the streets.
He's so smart that Eric Pickles...NOT...so old smart Ar$€ informs us that the influx of migrants from Romania and all, will put a strain on our housing stock........Well of course they will, if they can just land in this country and claim one...... Sorry, but what the hell are we as a country doing to prevent these migrants just claiming the right to a FREE house......This country has become the SLUMDOG of Europe...... My Father and his Generation didn't Die for his country, So as to allow the Scum of Europe to over run it......It makes me so mad....
It's been said many times before but I am saying it again, if you haven't paid into the system, you don't get anything out. Here we are, suffering cuts in all the essential services, people being thrown out of work right, left and centre, and yet still we are opening our doors to all and sundry. And what's the betting that the poor troops who have served their country in Afghanistan, and are due to be pulled out soon, will find themselves in the job queue very quickly afterwards. Despair?? It doesn't come close.
Stop them coming in the first place and why the hell do we have to house them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not just housing these immigrants will put pressure on. What about our benefits system, NHS and schools, GP's etc. Why can't we limit the intake rather than just wave them all into the UK, unless the immigrant has a skill which is actually needed here.
Why should it cause problems?? The answer is so simple, if you come, come prepared, arrange your own accommodation or don't bother coming, no more hand outs, no more social housing, house our nationals who need housing, not the benefit seekers coming into the country.
Simple, vote UKIP
You know what to do Cameron, Pickles and co. I know what to do, the majority of the British people know what to do, it's only you clowns in parliament who can't see the bleeding obvious. HOLD THE EU REFERENDUM in the next few months. If you don't the British people will NEVER forgive you.
That'll be another 12 billion a year on our benefit bill then.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Social housing is prone to abuse from everyone as it is now. It is time that socialist nonsense to get scrapped altogether. People should be responsible for their own housing not the society. The ones who cannot afford should get temporary housing. But getting social housing for life is a complete nonsense.
As the Government can not discriminate against legal immigrants who wish to claim benefits it is time to toughen up the rules for everybody that wants to claim fom our welfare system. I suggest that no adult is allowed to claim benefit of any kind until they have paid a national insurance stamp for 5 years. This will obviously impact on our own citizens as well as legal immigrants,you may find youngsters are a bit more willing to take low paying jobs to support themselves.
On the good side they are religion tolerant and have same values. Also the door has been open to them for the past 15 years as a "self employed" person, so whoever wanted to come is already here!!!
well lets hope you do your job that the British people put you in power for and simple put a stop to it and get out of the EU
I am off to find myself a desert island - ENOUGH is ENOUGH will the last one leaving turn the lights out
That should please politicians, since higher house prices (for their own properties) is what they want. And surely, if we can find free houses for young single mothers, then we can find free houses for immigrants too.
More Big issue seller's
A referendum or voting UKIP is all a bit belated, suckers, the job is done and so have you been.
Yes you do know, as does everyone else - tens, if not hundreds of thousands.... Who can blame them with such a soft touch welfare system. Still, we - the public - don't mind, it's not as if we are in the mire right!!?? Jokers..
I think we can expect about 3 million new arrivals from Bulgaria and Romania, unless changes are made ,within the next 5 years. I'm just Mr. Average,so my view is bound to be more accurate than our goverment's.
Tory MP Philip Hollobone estimates up to 425,000 may eventually settle here- Yeah right, now where have we heard that before.
This is another good reason for us to wave goodbye to Europe, we can not afford our way now, let alone have yet more scroungers in the Country.
Want out of the EU NOW, NOW, stable door closing too late but let's not let any more in!
what future and hopes have the unemployed got now? This will create far more unemployment for native UK citizens, and i'm not talking about just white people. Even the people that migrated here from the 50's to 90's are saying enough is enough. What hope will there be to get the people living in inner cities out of the hole they are in, when more mass migration will just further add to their demise. It's alright saying.. no more, this needs to stop... it's part of being in the EU and the 3 main parties are don't care, they live in a different world to the plebs. It's the EU project towards federalism, dilute and remove the identity of a country and there is nothing stopping them from taking over it. Staying in the EU will mean it's a matter of time before Britain becomes a dumping ground for Europe, we'll become the Escape from New York and LA. The EU and Germany will move the banks from these shores locally to them leaving this country completely with nothing.
Cameron has been very rude and dismissive of UKIP members recently: he really is going to get his well and truly deserved cumuppance when we next go to the polls: what on earth does he expect?
We are struggling to find jobs for existing BRITISH citizens , close the gates & GET US OUT OF EUROPE...
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism.
We cannot absorb anymore, we cannot provided for our own people let alone half of Eastern Europe! I cannot help but feel this is a deliberate act to break down the culture and fabric of this country. And Europe wonder why we complain and do want to be apart of their club!!! Might as well kiss goodbye to our wildlife then!!!!!!
And this is why we need to leave the EU & close our boarders. How much longer can our tiny island take? We will end up losing all our beautiful countryside so we can build houses to home all & sundry. This needs to stop.
So if all 29 million moved here that would be great wouldn't it....this country is such a soft touch!
Government ministers are poorly informed and/or conceal the truth. Moldovan citizens and also those of Tranistria also have Romanian passports and will have entitlement to enter the UK labour market towards the end of the year. Moldova is economically the poorest country in Europe. If you are from these countries, have no job, very limited access to health and social care provision and sufficiently motivated to improve the welfare of yourself and your family you would be stupid NOT to want to migrate to the UK and claim benefits.. It is an absolute dereliction of the government's duty to it's citizens to be unable to cost the social,economic and cultural impact that migration on what will be an industrial scale will have on the the UK. I would conjecture that in excess of 1 million will arrive. The government as a matter of the greatest priority needs to assert a coherent and sustainable policy on this most significant issue.
There aren't that many Big Issues to sell. Where are all these immigrants going to work, after all there is little work now with shops/businsses closing down weekly. In the event of thousands of houses being built on green belt can anybody tell me what will happen to these homes when the immigrants decide to return to their homeland?
I saw the interview on the telly today, this man is the sadest person ever to be a member of a government, could not answer any reasonable question put to him
THIS is why our politicians and business leaders are so keen for us to stay in the EU - cheap labour.
Everyone wants to come here and the current inhabitants want out. There's so many people here who cannot string a simple sentence together. If you want to go to Canada you have to prove you can speak English or French at a high level and can contribute to their labour market. We're just free and easy. We'll have anyone. Committed a crime? Even better. We'll show we're really liberal and open minded and non judgemental. That's right, we're just mental.
And when they do come will it be us, the taxpayers who have worked all our lives and done the right thing with savings, who will be the ones to support their benefit payments when they can't find work? And before I'm red arrowed - I AM sympathetic to the plight of others in need - but we have a welfare problem in this country already - and I for one am getting fed up with paying my bills, paying my tax and then having to sit back and watch my money being wasted by the government on welfare schemes that don't work and for which I end up paying more whilst the recipients just take the handouts. We can't cope now with the demands on the NHS, welfare and housing. Surely some common sense must prevail soon - please!!
Are we going to sleepwalk our way into this or are we, the people, going to stand up and do something about it?
If we get a referendum on the EU and vote to leave they won't be able to just come here, and maybe some of those that are here with no skills could also be sent home, problem solved.
We have a % of most countries. We are Frances 5th biggest city. Let them in and they can go the monoculture ghettos and dilute them. I think thats the real plan behind this.
For Christ sake close the borders & do not allow any migration from these countries. We are full to bursting as it is & cannot justify building on 2 million acres of country side in order to ensure migrants have a home. We need a huge & heavy handed operation to round up all illegal immigrants who should be deported immediately. We need to drastically reduce our population by any means necessary! The sooner we are out of the EU the better!
Wonderful!!! (NOT)
At least ONE MILLION will come here we will be swamped and there will be civil war
Now that all restrictions have been lifted on Romanian and Bulgarian nationals coming into the UK, meaning there is no longer work restrictions impacting on claiming benefits, there will be thousands. Romanian workers are already having an impact on railway maintainence work, with agencies hiring them over local labour because they are paying them less.I know of railway 'gangs' which consist of 8 Romanians and 1 English person. The same can be said for employing Indian workers. Workers that cannot speak English or complete forms in English and have to get other Indian colleages to do it for them, seem to have acquired 'tickets' to enable them to work on rail tracks. Theoretically, one has to be able pass tests in written English to be awarded them, but these non English speakers have them. How? Totally corrupt, unfair and dangerous.
Close the gates NOW.
No need to warn us Pickles, we already know what a swamp we live in, the question is what are you going to do about it? Only UKIP will sort this mess out, no one else will and that includes Eric Pickles. A vote for any party OTHER THAN UKIP is a vote for the EU. DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE, HELP UKIP TO GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Close the gates NOW.
They will also be entitled to benefits. With benefits now equaling the total revenue received from income tax this will be the final straw in the UK coffin.
Vote UKIP
The influx will cause problems when temporary restrictions end in December this year - in other words Mr Pickles you have ten and a half months to actually do something about a forthcoming, explosive situation. Explosive because we have neither jobs nor homes for those already here. To let even more into the country will also be a drain on ALL resources - food, water, transport, energy, schools, NHS etc, etc. As I also suspect most of these people will only be coming to the UK for a free ride at taxpayers expense, the benefit budget will be stretched to bursting, and without them having paid one penny in income tax or National Insurance. Oh the joys of the EU and the misery it brings! The only mystery being why you and your cronies love it so much.
We really need to do something to stop this and fast! This country is already on it's knees without a further million scroungers descending on us like a swarm of locusts!
We will have a civil war in the next 100 years, the UK is falling apart. We should get out of the EU before ASAP, multiculturalism is a disaster.
dont forget schools nhs jobs crime,and eext turkey this country has went to the dogs because of the eu..it makes me sick .
"the expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'" - It has already had devastating effects! They said 16000 Poles would come and settle in the first year ... 650,000 came ... and most settled. It doesn't matter how many they estimate as it will be far, far, far more! I want to know the answer one question ... why are we not limiting the influx li ke other countries? I shall vote UKIP but I believe the damage is now irreversible and I'm already making my plans to leave this hell hole.
If there are not enough houses then they will have to live elsewhere.
This is why we need an in/out referendum on the EU NOW rather than in 5 years time. We can vote NO now & keep them OUT!
They must be stopped NOW
Presumably all these people come here for our weather. What other possible reason could there be?
Stop it! We are in debt, skint. We simply can't afford it. We need Immediate freeze on immigration followed by strict points system as Australia, Canada etc They cost money as soon as they arrive with translators then housing and benefits. We need to stop it!
They lied to us in 2004 and history will now be repeating itself as the floodgates are opened. London's population alone, has increased by over a million in the last decade. Nearly everybody's second language is English, combined with our benefits system makes this country first choice. We are concreting over our country to house our imported population, yet others have so much land to spare, We have to leave the EU now, it will not stop us trading with Europe or Europe trading with us.
So that's it, we are no longer in charge of our own country
Just shut the door until we know how many are in the country. Call it `Homeland Security` and tell Europe to get lost.
The problem is that the UK is still seen by the ordinary people of many other countries as a land of plenty and of generous welfare. We are of course sinking fast and becoming ever poorer (now with working families in fuel poverty or even homeless). That news is unlikely to get out and unlikely to be believed so the deluge of immigration will continue until our country is dead. What idiot started all this?
Millions will come. Putting pressure on housing, schools, welfare and benefit bills, hospitals, transport systems, police etc etc Let alone all the utilities like water, gas, electricity, rubbish disposal etc etc Sign the e-petition number 41492 online.
Plenty place in the Empty and disused Prisons. What's wrong with using those, while Visa's, Work Permits, and such like is dealt with. If they do NOT like it, then they can go elswhere ! Simples !
As history has already shown,there is absolutely nothing we can do about this.Unless people start to stand up and do something proactive,we will continue to be walked all over.When is enough, enough? How much more do we as a once great nation take? I am genuinely ashamed that nobody is fighting our corner.
yes we know they are getting housed as we speak disgraceful to say English people have been waiting ages for housing.
SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
No problem for the previous (Blair) and present incumbent Prime Minister. They are and will be rich. Not having to worry about money or their security. Same applies to the Ministers also.
Given the way the uk is going it is more probable that it will be uk citizens leaving the uk to go to Bulgaria etc
Just what WE always wanted!!!!!! Just what The Doctor ordered!!!!!! Europe will solve all our problems!!!!!! Need I go on with this sarcasm?????
Multiply the number of would be migrants by 10 to probably obtain a more realistic figure!! Jobs, what jobs?
We should leave the EU for a bit to see what happens. I don't think anything good will happen.
how on earth is this in britains interest? we have far more immigrants than we can cope with .they do not contribute and the vast majority of the first waves will be hardend criminals. yet we blindly accept the EU s orders . WHY?
If we go back to the old system where one had to have two years payments into the social fund before one could draw out, then maybe we would not have such an immigration problem.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15 paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Need to stop this now. It's a joke. These people send most of the money they earn home. They take an annual holiday at the relevant time so they can claim any tax they have paid back (legitimately) meanwhile they claim tax credits child tax credits and child benefit as soon as they have been here long enough; all above board too. They are also getting wise to bringing sick relatives over to be treated on the NHS (like other cultures.) I know this as I work in social care. I have told my teenagers to get a decent education then get the hell out of this dump.
Great, more drains on our overstreched resource. The quicker we get a Government the British Interests the better.
so the government now want anyone in housing which is deemed too large to pay a "bedroom tax" to free up larger properties at the same time government rants about the unemployed and low earners to limit themselves to two kids.........soooo...whos getting all these houses ?
Oh joy, potentially innumerable extra burdens on our crippled social system.
Another good reason why we should leave the EU immediately, not wait until 2018 as Cameron wants as we will be swamped even more by immigrants by then.
The UK's Housing market will come under pressure, along with everything else, and you lot can just get on with it because your not getting a Referendum on the EU!!
He does not know!!!!!!! Well find out, that's your job, if you are not up to the task then resign and have someone else do the job, I am sick of hearing feeble excuses by governments of all colours. The task of governing the country is in the hands of MP's and Civil Servants, for the people of the land not as a nursemaid for thousands who arrive and take advantage of this country. Just do what the majority want, say NO we will not play being nursemaids and freebies for all and sundry. First duty is to the people of the country, now for once do what you are voted in to do and get handsomely paid for. We have a collection of 'lemmings' in Parliament and across the civil service, you can keep crawling towards oblivion, but don't drag the rest of us along with you.
We would know how many with a sane immigration policy. The answer would be ZERO.
You should cut down on your pork pies mate n get some exercise
Yes, and Britons will get the chance to go and live and work in Bulgaria and Romania, where house prices and the cost of living are lower, it is very sunny from spring till autumn, and great skiing in the winter. The locals are friendly, too. Instead of moving to Spain, with its wrecked economy, Britons will be able to move to two countries which have been far less adversely affected by the economic downturn due to their more conservative economic policies.
'I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' The only public pronouncement the public want the hear, Mr Pickles, is that this government is going to say 'no more'. We may be in the EU but these are exceptional times. Surely some of the other member states must have concerns, or are they confident that the vast majority will come to soft-touch Britain? Mr Pickles, there are no jobs! Unfortunately this no longer matters as EU migrants are now entitled to receive the full range of benefits from the day they arrive, whether working or not. So hard-working taxpayers are expected to carry on funding anyone who turns up here. Our own children can't find housing, yet the government feels obliged to concrete over acres of the countryside to house those who have contributed nothing to the economy and probably never will. Clegg is always banging on about what is 'fair' and 'unfair', so perhaps he could explain how this is fair in any way?
Just say no, is it really that difficult?
I cannot believe that us being allowed to happen. How will we ever maintain our national identity. How we ever be economically viable with just a small minority of tax payers paying for them all. It's a nightmare
This needs to be stopped before it starts or it will be to late and we will be swamped
This legislation needs to be rethought very quickly. We need to accept that there is a difference between racism and immigration as this seems to deter lots of dialogue
We don't know how many will come, but you can be sure it will be far more than the Government estimates. It always is. In our present economic situation, we need to be doing something to prevent it. Yet another reason to vote UKIP - especially if you are on a low income.
He can never be sure of the numbers unless a limit is put on and we stick to it.
Utterly ludicrous decision that our government has gone along with - at a time of economic crisis, when we already have well over a million unemployed, when half of London is already foreign born and you are more likely to hear a foreign language than the native tongue, when rents are sky high and we are all facing cuts in benefits and pensions but hey, that's OK, let in another 500K, most will speak poor English and be unskilled workers and who will start claiming in work benefits plus child benefit etc the moment they get here. Let us not kid ourselves that these will all be highly skilled professionals when every other waitress/shop worker/street sweeper in London is foreign and usually Eastern European. Forget the fact that the vast majority of British people don't want any more large scale waves of immigration, that it hasn't worked and we are all poorer as a result as long as Dave and Nick can stay in with EU top brass to get their top jobs when they are booted out next election
The next influx of Eastern Europeans will cause problems. Just like the last influxes of Eastern Europeans. Band news. Stop it now. Vote UKIP.
This is just madness and it has to stop. We cannot cope with anymore immigration from anywhere. There isn't enough housing and we are only a small island. For god's sake Mr Cameron put a stop to this now, let us get out of the E.U.
If we got out of europe we would not have problem
>>>'We don't know how many people will come from Bulgaria and Romania': <<<....Too many, thats how many
What do you mean housing market? Are we really expecting any of these people to be buying homes? Don't make me laugh.
It's not just housing. What about education, health, welfare benefits and all the crime that will come with them. It's time this madness was stopped!!!!
The Romanians and Bulgarians will now undercut the Polish which will force many Polish and even more British out of work and on to benefits. Schools will be bursting at the seams with children who cannot speak English and hospitals will be pushed beyond the limit. I just do not see what good can come from this?!?! Why can politicians just not admit when they are wrong and prevent this madness? I think, just like last time, there estimates are way off the mark.
Great - we are cutting benefits to our own people then letting in this lot. I give up !
Easy shut the borders then there will be none, so no extra housing and nonextra cost in benefits we cannot afford when will the goverment stop all thesenpeople coming here and claiming benefits they have never paid in for
This country is a complete joke on so many different levels!!
Sorry but we really do NOT want all these people from Bulgaria & Romania. Please stop this. Just horrendous thought. We are over crowded already. My next vote will be UKIP.
I am willing to bet it will be more than you can count on the fingers of one hand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Gawd sakes you overpaid idiots at number 10.....Tell us something we don't know? Just put a hold on Immigration full stop! Then again divert them all to Brussels along with a few million already here sponging of us British Taxpayers!
And you don't really care, as long as it forces wages down amongst the many lowest paid, to increase profits amongst the few well off
Come here the land of milk and honey and its all free
Here we go again, we're off .But remember Cameron and co say it's good for us to be in the EU.
I know how many there will be - LOADS!
Well if you walk down the main high street in Reading, Berkshire during the week, you hardly hear anyone speaking English as a native tongue. How many more people can Britain have without losing our countryside?
If Bulgarian/ Rumanian come here, you need to ask why they come here, if they are working, they should have working visa.. if not.. they are illegal.. In every country if you want to go there and you want to work you should have working visa, but if you are as a tourist, that is different matter... again you still need to apply tourist visa, that showing how much money you have the money in the bank, and you able to support yourself, and not stay in this country. It won't be fair for people who are born here have to queue housing benefit, and people who just land they were provided without any single penny land in the government.
We need immigration control to prevent this from happening we don't have enough housing or jobs to go round. Houses are in short supply, the homless is rising, and unempolyment is at record high. I shall be voting UKIP next time as David Cameron the posh boys, Tories, coalition and Labour have all lost the plot. Tony Blair may have started all the immigratrion problems but there is no excuse for the Tories to sit back and do nothing.
If the government persists in giving free housing and benefits to everyone then of course people will come here. It is going to be far better than being in their home country. The solution is to only give benefits and social housing to UK nationals. For a country that can't take adequate care of it's own pensioners and those in poor health we shouldn't be taking care of any other nations.
Why cant the so called leaders of this country just say NO. BRING ON THE NEXT ELECTION
If these MPs know full well that by allowing these immigrants into the country they will cause problems then surely they have should have rules and regulations and conditions in place to restrict those who are not able to look after themselves including house themselves and their families if accompanied by them and by that they must be financially stable or have a job to go to. It makes sense surely.
Would my family be given housing and benefits if we decide to move to Bulgaria or Romania? Some hopes. Anyway, I noticed some young homeless British people sitting on the streets of Edinburgh late at night last month. How about looking after their interests Mr Cameron et al. The people in the UK lucky enough to have a job are fed up with their ever increasing compulsary tax contributions being abused.
You all know what to do. Leave, labour, conservatives and the liberals and join UKIP. The nation will change further if you don't. The liberals tend to live in areas that ar untouched by immigration. Perhaps they should try living in the cities and towns where English is the minority.
No matter where they come from, no one should be allowed into this country unless they have a firm permanent job to go to and a firm place to live. Furthermore they should sign a declaration that they will return home if the situation changes. On no account should they be allowed to "lose" their job after a few days and then sign up for the dole and housing at our expense.
Whatever they estimate - you can quadruple that number. Suggest mass building of prefabs like they did after WW2. Not very attractive true, but Britain stopped worrying about that years ago. Suggest putting the first lot of prefabs up in Bucklebury, Sandringham, Balmoral, on Kensington Gardens, in Windsor Great Park, and next door to the current and prior Prime Minister's and MP's home(s) as well as next door to the homes of all CEO's, Utility Executives, and the owners of companies that encourage this cheap labour under a zero end game called capitalism. Also, Can we have a public central list of all the vacant jobs these immigrants will fill? Or will companies simply lay off existing workers and then rehire at cheaper pay. Surely not ! Ha! Oh and we will need a few hundred people to volunteer to man the soup kitchens and the halfway houses - maybe the Royals and the politicians wives and their adult children would be good for that. Should lead by example after all. Thanks.
if we get a in/out vote of Europe i can tell you now how many more Romania's and Bulgarian's it will be ......zero as we wont be part of that money pit called Europe...... start listening to what the people want or get your JSA application form filled in
AAAARGGGGHHHH!!!!
UK is in trouble!!! Time to leave.
Un believable, more drains on our resources, the sooner we get a Government that represents the interests of the British people the better :-(
"He refused to say how many migrant workers were expected to arrive from the two countries" What he actually said on the Sunday Politics show this morning, with Andrew Neil, was that he had seen figures but was not convinced of their accuracy so had asked for a reassessment and until they had been reassessed he did not want to risk enflaming public anxiety on the subject unnecessarily. A sensible stance to take. Better than making up wildly inaccurate and misleading underestimates, as New Labour did with the Polish immigrants, just to sate the interviewer.
It's probably an underestimate... Free money has great allure,
Perhaps Obama will help out by offering them houses in America to honour the ''Special Relationship'' between our countries. Or Dave could get some new houses built on his and the Bankers grounds-are we are all in it together? Then the politicians wonder why we want out of the EU - time to count their brain cells.
..... Then shut the door? It is really that simple
Nothing wrong with free movement, the problem is benefits. Sort the benefits system out so they don't qualify - OR make benefits across the EU the same. Then insist on seeing proof of ability to support themselves before they come in. Problem solved - easy!
Cameron............we want a referendum NOW!
So what is this government going to do about it? Nothing. Just bury their heads in the sand and hope the country gets in such a bad way that everyone just leaves?????
We neither want them here nor need them, so don't encourage them by building houses for them and prioritising their needs!
We are all doomed for a life of poverty if we remain in the EU any longer !!!!!!!!!! Can't Dave Cameron see this ????????
More than you can count on one hand, Close the gates now
1000,s and 1000,s will be coming.It's not just housing it's the NHS the benefits system and everyone that now is trying to survive in the UK, that will suffer. Where is all the money coming from OH YES the tax payer, pensions and child allowance down grading.
it would be impossible to stop these people getting private accomodation but surely britain does not have to supply public housing.but then again-human rights etc.who am i to complain-i am only a skiving english born peasant who should know his place.quick touch of forelock to cameron and crew..
Pickles is THICK, everybody knows more than a million will arrive and most will be poorly educated. I feel sorry for our young people, Jobs will be even harder to get and like the Irish the cream of our Youth will have to Emigrate!
How long will Pickles wait, until we are all standing shoulder to shoulder? Get out of the EU now and close the borders, we coped before the EU, we will cope again.
There is already a council housing list, some people have been on it for years. How can any new arrival family be put before those on the list already. That's what breeds the massive contempt for mass immigration, and that's what is going to be the tinder for the massive civil unrest which is certainly bound to occur once this whole saga unravels.
We already have a good idea Pickles..most of them. Vote UKIP and kick the lot out before they get here, we are FULL.
The you should make laws that refuses benefits for non UK citizens.
Well do something about it. The country is crumbling already and the NHS, housing and benefits is severely struggling. Us taxpayers are forced to work longer, pay more in pensions, tax and NI to fund freeloaders from the EU who have NEVER contributed a penny. We will no longer suffer these austerity measures and pay for freeloaders, thus country will rebel by all means when it's own citizens can't get housing, healthcare etc
The arrogance of the man is incredible. First, he claimed he hadn't been given a figure by the Home Office and then he suggested that he had been but refused to reveal what the number was because he wasn't sure of its accuracy and didn't want to scare people. Let us be the judge of whether we should hear it or not and remember that you are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Oh, who saw THAT coming, eh?
OUR hospitals are groaning under the strain, our kids cant find jobs..........our elderly are neglected .......BUT COME ON IN WE'LL FEED AND HOUSE YOU, FEEL FREE TO USE OUR HOSPTALS AND CLAIM OUR BENEFITS".................oh yes we'd be mad to leave the EU!
Why should they get social housing? Why should we have to put up with that. I am voting UKIP. We need to get out of the EU. If we don't we will be even more swamped. I had an appointment at a hospital in Kingston in October and I had to wait 2 and a half hours to be seen. The reason. They had doubled booked everyone and a lot of them were not from here. I went home and did not see the Specialist. When I went back for the result the next time, he Doctor asked me why I had left. He said you should have told somebody. I said why it was not my fault it is double booked as we are now swamped with people from abroad.
when is ukip going to organise demonstrations against this insanity!
Will give a nice boost to house prices , particularly the BTL market
So Pickles mi old chum.... Get off your rear... Go over to the Home office... Get the border control people to ensure you know the names, addresses phone numbers, blood group, criminal record, debt, amount of money on each and every single one of them coming in via every port! You have time to prepare! GO RUN.... Hurry... Chop Chop!
Close our borders now!!
The UK will be totally finished when they arrive, watch, wait & see......or STOP them entry!
This morning's interview on the Andrew Marr show was the first time I've seen Eric Pickles look so overwhelmed and out of his depth. It's worrying, isn't it?
This makes me feel pyshically sick!
So STOP the influx, after all, you and your useless fellow ministers are HANDSOMELY PAID to protect our interests. Vote UKIP.
No problem, nowhere to live, go back. Simple.
Just say NO
Very worrying times ahead.....
Wow, thanks for that obvious point. Bit slow, as we've all been saying this for years. Referendum time Cameron. Vote UKIP.
We are FULL! Get out of this EU madhouse asap and do what everyone wants!
We already have a large advance party over here thanks to our weak borders no doubt gearing up the drive for homes and assistance to obtain benefits . GOVERNMENT IS CLUELESS IN THE UK .
No job, no house, no entry. That should be the policy for ALL trying to get into the UK and unless they can supply proof that they can support their dependants they are not admitted either.
our housing market will be under threat if they buy them...They are not entitled to any social housing, and should therefore be refused entry if they have no fixed abode to move into.
How many - too many! We already have more than enough pressure on our housing, hospital, schools and benefits sytem!
Yes Dave... we'd be really mad to leave the EU.
Probably the whole of both countries will come here. Can we please stop all this unwanted immigration from all corners of the world. We don't like it. You lot in government need to listen to the British people........otherwise why are you in government ?
If only Pickles was in government and in a position to do something about it; HANG ON!!!
+++European 'freedom of movement' rules will from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain.+++Well, I say that we don't need any more workers, we have lots of people here who need jobs so why should we let these p
You never see anything comming untill its to late from your ivory tower Eric unlike the rest of us who already know what will happen, When will you wake up to the fact that we do not owe the ex eastern block nations our jobs , houses, benifits.and our precious space.That is why UKIP is speaks for us and not dithery Dave.
Not a problem,just advise all EU countries that due to an impending referendum no EU immigrants will be accepted until the date of the referendum and the result has been approved.
The irony is that Tony Bliar's gerrymandering from the last influx of immigration will probably be enough to ensure the Conservatives are never in Government again. Eric Pickles has double the incentive to close our borders and tell our real bosses in the EU to get stuffed.
So deal with it, you criticised the Labour lot the last time we faced this problem, money where your mouth is, not pies!!!
Out of the EU now! Vote UKIP!
ukip
Q: How can you have a country when you have no control who lives there and who takes up residence? A: You can't, you were never meant to.
If ever there was a reason for leaving the Eu,this is it,at a time when we have millions unemployed,welfare spending out of control,an acute housing shortage,overcrowded schools,a health service in crises,and a police force stretched to the limit.We then open the "legal" doors to more mass immigration,and invite people from a completely different culture to our shores,with the guarantee of housing and benefits,you couldn't make it up,except that,the likes of Nick Clegg and co think it is a good and moral idea.Why don't some of you question him about this on his phone in radio show,on L.B.C. on thursday morning?
I am sure our PC councils will have houses for them all
"...two million acres of British countryside would have to be developed to solve Britain's housing crisis - with half the demand coming from migrants"========= Reminds me of the song lyrics 'they paved paradise and put up a parking lot'. Come on UKIP - we need you to save our country because once it's gone, it's gone forever.
Bye bye England.
Britain might have exited the EU by then.
Yes we do. Lots. Welcome to the land of milk and honey. If you vote Labour, you support this.
We're all doomed, I say doomed! Vote UKIP.
If we denied entry none would come. But we haven't the bottle to defy the EU have we ???
When are we going to wake up and see how much strain this continued influx of immigrants place on our country. They are taking up our housing stock and have access to our medical and social system which was designed to benefit UK born citizens. Being in the EU is great but these immigrants go throuh the rest of the EU to get to our shores. Our equals in the EU such as Germany, France, Spain, Italy and the rest of the Western European nations did not head for the UK en-mass. Its all the immigrants poor countries that come here and are stripping our social system bare.
I would rather believe UKIP's assessment that 50%, or more, of Bulgaria's 29 million population live in abject Poverty. Why wouldn't they move to a country that will give them Free Housing, JSA, Tax Credits, DLA and etc., no questions asked? They cannot be stopped, refused entry, or refused the money. Another one of the great benefits of EU Membership. As soon as they get a house, they get the vote. Now you know why Call me Dave is not having the Referendum till 2015.
Well then, get some backbone for heavens sake and do something about it instead of just talking.This Government is completely hapless. It promised to deal with all this immigration and has done NOTHING. deal with your own people first. What a load of nitwits run our country. The sooner the election comes and rids us of this excuse for a Government the better.
Just what this country needs :/
For God's sake stop it before it happens.
Don't worry, our politicians will look after us ......Won't they ?
Pickles! STOP THIS NOW !!!
Just tell them we haven't got any and that they will have to buy one like the rest of us or go home, sorry but no free hand outs.
Put wood int hole then
Simple fix...no benefits for them. They'll find somewhere else to go then!
I am so happy i am emigrating to Switzerland at the end of this month - I leave you muppets and get on with it ......you don't have a clue do you?
Just say No ........how simple is that
Your comments:and he needs to be paid over 100k to tell us that
STOP this MADNESS and GET OUT of the CORRUPT EU.
In reallity, he does not know .. or care.
"If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico. - Wildman, Atlanta US, 17/2/2010 4:18" Goodness! I had heard that you had some slightly overweight people out there but a 2000 mile boarder??? How do you manage to keep him fed?
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell. - Matt, Refugee, 17/2/2010 7:32 I am afraid that the impression that many people have is that little by little the Eastern Europeans are indeed taking over the country. There are so many shops springing up everywhere in Central London catering for their specific requirements, many signs that are written in Eastern European languages only and my daughter and her friends are unable to find part time jobs as waitresses or in shops anymore to take pressure off their university tuition fees because these jobs are now all being undertaken by Eastern Europeans. Unfortunately many of the people who you refer to as wanting to 'blow us all to hell' are in fact British born - although their actions demonstate that they are anything but.
New Labours mantra should have been 'Immigration, Immigration, Immigration'!!! Brown & Co. better pray their immigrants stick to the plan and vote Labour because I never will again. The poor huddled masses of the world are not my social or financial responsibility!!!
i keep asking this queastion and im never given an answer,[what do we get out of immigration],,,one more thing dont forget the part the media are playing in this.mainly the bbc ,paid for by you ,i stopped paying the state media tax .you should all do the same.
Some of the posters here claim that all the immigrants should pay for health, education, housing etc from their own pockets and not from the tax payers` money. What you forget to mention is that vast majority of the Eastern European immigrants come to the UK, work and PAY THEIR TAXES. It`s funny how some people who proclaim the immigrants shouldn`t be here are the same people who might be immigrating to Spain, Australia, Canada, USA and where ever else they wish. Furthermore, those immigrating to a non English speaking country ususally cannot communicate in the country`s mother tongue (e.g. Spain) which is rather pathetic. Another issue is about the ignorance of some of the British people who do not realise that immigrants helped rebuild your country after WWII, that it was your empire that conquered so much of this planet using slaves and stealing all the resources in the conquered countries (like gold in Ghana for example). Stop being ignorant please.
Well,this is news.You would never have thought that allowing anyone to settle here with their families,would put a strain on our public services would you?All of them contributing taxes to pay for it too no doubt.What is amazing,is that in just 10 years NuLabour has managed to destroy our proud heritage,built up over hundreds of years of sound democracy and turned us from the envy of the world to a pathetic laughing stock.
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth. - oldun, London, 16/2/2010 18:05 No oldun - L Hacking would like to know why the immigrants are placed in towns and cities with the working class taking the brunt of the problem. I would like to see how the more opulent areas would feel if their communities were deluged with immigrants. Would they still be in favour of multiculture?
Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work. - Colin Runeckles So what if they came here to work? Those jobs belong to our own unemployed! Not ALL those on benefits are feckless! Many now find there IS no work for them! One local factory now has an estimated 70% foreign workforce while the unemployment queues lengthen, especially among the young, and the word is that there is growing bitterness out there. Our children are not advancing in school as they should, with the poor teachers struggling with multi-languages. How can they teach like this? Most often now, I have phone-consultations with my GP because the practice is so busy. This is wrong. Our own people's rights are being abused by Labour policy.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
Hopefully all you folks who are grumbling will remember to vote BNP at the next election
On the one hand the old Labour/New Labour hypocrites tell us to be 'greener', to use our cars less, to use less gas and electricity, to recycle more and produce less rubbish....then, on the other hand, they open the doors to thousands and thousands of immigrants...thus making our island even more crowded....leading to more houses, fewer green spaces, more cars, more consumer consumption, more gas and electricity and petrol usage, more rubbish etc etc....Labour's policies are, in general, so contradictory and stupid that only complete idiots would vote them back into power....(so that's why British education has been dumbed down so much under Labour/New Labour !!!)....
...or possibly an attempt by 'council chiefs' (who usually earn far in excess of what we pay the Prime Minister BTW) to deflect attention from their own inability to manage the money and run services properly...
The Government has lied and lied again about immigration. The Tories and LibDems remain silent in the face of these lies. How can anyone believe anything at all these people say, and that includes their constant dengration of the British National Party. It makes more sense to believe the opposite of what they say is the truth.
I support the EC and am fully in favour of European nations getting together and cooperating in all ways. The problem, and what REALLY annoys me is that if you go to Poland, France,Italy etc they just laugh at you if you try and get a free house,unemployment benefit,even a job!! It just aint going to work if there's no level playingfield.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
jenny jones, essex. TWADDLE!
I start work early each day, so my wife must take the children to school. This is the school that my wife attended as a child, attached to the church where her parents worshipped, she was christened, where we were married, where our children were christened and which we attend regularly. Our oldest child is in year 2 and his younger brother is in the school nursery, hoping to start at the school in September, but due to a large influx of Eastern Block immigrants, there is a good chance that he will not get into the school. If he does not get in, then our lifelong association with this school and church will be damaged and my wife will not be able to get both children to school on time, as they are both of ages where the parent must stay with them until school goes in.
cannot take something else strait a way) and claim benefit from jobcentre? Because I do not mind. He paid tax and I pay tax and I DO NOT MIND IF ANY OF THEM USE MONEY I PAID!!!!!!! It’s fine if pay money, yes?? Why we cannot use this money to send our children to schools? Why? If you do not want us here, then give us all our money(tax, PAYE etc we paid last years) and we can go to our homes. Then what? Who is going to cover big hole(black hole) in english budget ? Who? People from “different part of world” who come here just “produce” children and clime thousands benefit? Who tell me who??
Only I want to say to You all English if:if we immigrants have not pumped millions and millions, then you would have recession 4 years ago and it would be 10 times worse!! I have got a lot of friends and no one of them takes any benefits!! They pay tax, spent money on food, petrol and electronic device etc. giving job to you English people! Because you had to produce this goods sell them and delivery to us. Let’s go dipper, we give job to lowers, accountants etc. Now about me: I am civil engineer and I have small design office. I have employed 6 people(2 of them are English, because I need someone who speak fluent English – this is only the reason!). I pay £14,000 tax every single month this is not included what my employees pay! And I cannot use this money, because I work. Last 6 years I saw twice GP doctor and I was once stopped by police. How much did it cost? And question to you people! Do you mind if one immigrant from Eastern Europe lost a job (working last 2-3 years and can
I'am an immigrant looking after your disabled Mums and Dads in care home while you visit them once a year and while other British staff call sick after the night out in the pub.Working 12 hours shift for 6 pounds p.h Yes i do pay taxes.Anyone wants my job?
Labour have purposely flooded the UK with immigrants, we now know that they planned it that way, without consulting us. Migrants who come to this country to work with skills are a positive contribution. But we must be very selective here, like the points system that Australia uses. Britain is already a very crowded island compared to most other Western countries and thanks to 13 painful arduous years of Labour rule, sorry - ruin, it's getting worse. There is nothing wrong with barring would be migrants from entering Britain if they have no money to support themselves or skills that we need. It IS wrong to allow such people in, only to saddle the taxpayers with more debt. Try entering the USA (to live) with no job, skills or money. You won't see much of America apart from the airport before being laughed back onto the first plane out of there. Why are we afraid to be like that here?We as a nation MUST get real on this situation. David Cameron - be a grown up and deal with it please!
Labour is ruining my life. - Sarah, London, 16/2/2010 17:06 Labour areruining ALL of our lives!!
I heard that Labour were closing the borders and had put together a special task force to find all of the illegals and deport them, along with all of the dangerous extremists And then unfortunately I woke up.
It's quite obvious they aren't going home every time I go out shopping the person in front or behind is speaking a foreign language I feel like the foreigner
I think multiculturalism is a subject that needs to be tackled honestly and assertively to prevent civil unrest. On a personal note, my daughter did not get into any of the 3 primary schools I chose for her although I lived less than 5 minutes' walk away from the nearest one! Finally she was put into a school where 80% of her class (I do not exaggerate) did not have English as a first language. Most of the lessons were spent teaching the children basic English, my daughter could already speak fluent English from the age of two and her educational development started to go backwards! This despite the fact that my partner and I pay about £4k between us in taxes per month. Finally I got her into a school where 80% of the children did speak English, but this is over the other side of Bristol and puts a huge amount of time on our daily commute. My partner and I work hard, put a lot of effort into giving our daughter a good home life and have never existed on benefits. It seems unfair.
This is what comes with electing Stalinist clowns who are remote from reality.
You only have to walk down our town centre in the middle of the afternoon to see how many foreign workers have come to and stayed in our country.Just listen to the people speaking polish , Portugese , Lithuanian , Romanian , latvian etc. The local supermarkets have aisles of foreign brands and, cafes which are owned by foreigners have opened plus 2 specialist foreign food shops. Have the majority gone back ? i dont think so , and this is just in a smail rural town....
Like we didn't already know this - its like 'come to Britain and receive free everyting - housing, medical care, cars' - and again us as the British Born (not always proud to be British), taxpayer forking out. Why oh why have we such a bunch of spineless idiots running our country who couldn't see this before it happened I'll never know! This country is a joke and if it wasn't so difficult to emigrate to a country with a better standard of living/immigration control then yes I would be off to! Another reason for voting BNP me thinks - he'll be getting my vote!
The saddest thing of all is that if Woolas hears it - HE WILL TAKE NO NOTICE. He and his accomplices live in a world where they are protected from the effects and the costs of their policies whilst we suffer both. As long as he is politically correct he is content - and totally without interest in the plight of the populace.
Why are we letting in millions of immigrants when we cannot support them? It is unfair on them and unfair on the indigenous population.
Please don't call this phenomenon an immigration "Boom". It is not that at all. What it is, is an assault upon the people and the culture of this great country by an establishment made up of primarily Fabian conspirators.
"I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Well, "Anon", with the greatest of respect you will, as they say, just have to "put up and shut up" because it's no good looking to the Lib/Lab/Con/UKIP Alliance Party for any solutions. And if you cannot bear the thought of voting BNP then things will stay exactly the same. So either stay indoors and watch Corrie and Eastenders with a good pint in your hand, or emigrate.
I don`t get it why you people trying to put everyone to the same basket. I agree there is a problem with some immigrants, however most of us is paying taxes. Benefits? C`mon, you`re very lucky if you are a non-british citizen and receive one. Besides the lion`s share of us is working in jobs which don`t even want to be taken by English workers...
We are over crowded, definition that we would not be able to support ourselves in food as most of it is imported. I again will post the comment I made before. We have to look at what China has done. They support a family of one child only. We however, most probably could support the first 2 children in a family. If people want anymore babies then they have to finance them themselves including education and health needs. Due to the structure which Governments have designed to, the more children you have the more the Tax Payer has to find. Our family credit system actually is for the fat cats. A firm does not have to pay a livable wage because the Government will top it up if you have children. Therefore, Companies monies maintains the high earners, leaving the DIRECT labour force, who are the EARNERS in a firm having to claim benefits, if they can, instead of the companies having to distribute funds fairly. The absurdity of Governemet they tax a minimum wage
Its easy for people to say immigrants are using up Britain's resources blah blah blah but I am an immmigrant and I have worked in this country for years paying taxes and ni and i am not interested in claiming benefits. Do i want to claim benefits? No. Do i want a council flat? No. Do i want my children growing thinking its normal to not work for anything but feel like its owed to you? Hell No. I know thousands of immigrants who work double triple shifts and as a result you can imagine how much they contribute to the taxes in this country (which someone else is claiming in benefits). If there are deficits in spending or strain on schools etc, it is because of mismanagement of money and greed by mps and large amounts spent on the war in iraq.
Why are we calling it an Immigration Boom? Makes it sound like Britain is doing awfully well when it should actually be called Labour's Treasonous Social Objectives Agenda.
It's simple. In the early nineties Blair conceived and implemented a ''Floodgates Immigration Plan"' Ask Jack Straw. He was there. The spin liars were briefed to slap down anyone complaining about the plan - branding them racist. The true illegal immigrant population is at least 60% higher than any government figures. Blair succeeded. He's changed UK from its historic population and culture to the new polyglot, PC one. But, he got his sums wrong. The welfare payments in year 2028 will exceed govt revenues AND any covert govt borrowing. Therefore, expect Britain plc to be officially declared bankrupt in year 2029 I recommend either Qatar or Abu Dhabi.
The truth is that none of the main parties will do anything about it and, as a result, democracy is dead. When were the indigenous population asked if they wanted uncontrolled immigration? They weren't and one of the platforms that NL fought elections in 1997 was to enforce stricter control. This is one of the reasons that they were voted in with such a large majority, as the Tories had not got to grips with the problem. What a colossal lie this has turned out to be considering that the Government has let immigration rip to suit their own ends. How can the people regain the country from the criminal classes, otherwise known as politicians?
This rotten and treacherous zanuliebour government caused this immigration nightmare purely to get more votes from immigrants. This small country is overpopulated and now bankrupt. We must deport all illegals, reverse liebour immigration policy and withdraw from the EU dictatorship and restore democracy. Vote for UKIP or the BNP, they are the only parties that will address this issue. Bring down the corrupt lib/lab/con thieves and dictators.
The EU and the industrial elite want a mobile and flexible workforce, and a surplus of workers to keep negotiations for wages on the side of the employer. Britain as an island is idealy positioned to lead the way in sustainability. Aim for a sustainable population that we can feed and provide power and all the other necessary infrastructure for with as little essential imports as possible. But we know they don't want a country who doesn't rely on others, one which can break the ever tightening chain that binds and is stiffling our independence and freedoms, hence the advent of the EU and in the future further integration into larger unions until freedom is just a distant memory. Don't think for one moment Labour haven't thought through their immigration policy, they are commies, and international in nature, and Britain is just a small cog in their repressive and regulatory one world government agenda, and don't think the Tories or LibDems are any better. Vote sensibly.
i believe all parties should now discuss the immigation problem.It seems we have now had enough and although i accept there is nothing we can do with who is in the country now.We could stop all entry into Britain now,clean up our act and start over with strict rules on wanting to come to the UK
This problem is all the Governments fault introducing a policy which we had no say over about a multicultural society mix, as usual they donot bring any thought into how we are all going to pay for all these people entering our Country with schools and Nhs services stretched to the the limit and we are the ones who suffer, the likes of Cambridgeshire does not receive enough Government grants as it is and we have been stretched with the influx of immigrants into our County so we are the ones paying into the nhs system and paying our taxes and are receiving nothing in return. The influx needs to be stopped until the Country gets back on its feet and can properly sort out this mess!!!!!!
Are these the same town hall chiefs who have been insisting for years that immigration has 'enriched our lives'? Or did they go with massive golden handshakes before the truth was allowed to be told?
How can a country like ours plan cuts but still let more and more people in ,whomost likely not pay tax butget everything given to them . It has got to stop NOW . The first thing the next government should do is stoppaying any benefits toall the European immigrants including family tax credit , which gets sent to their own country .Also stop giving them free NHS legal aid and housing . Lots of them have got homes in their own country so basically we are letting them have second homes over here .Stuff what the EU masters say - the other Countries do and stop tax payers money being wasted on thosae who have 'nt paid a penny into our system . It's plain and simple for anyone who wants to move to our country - if you can afford to move into our country fair enough or have genuine skills - don't just think you can move over here and we'll give you everything . Try going to another Euro state or to another country and see what you would get there.
Everywhere I go to in this country people are complaining about the deteriation of everything from infrastructure, schools, hospitals, doctors services, including councils, I get told not to go into areas or places because of the conditions there, a programme on TV "the tower block of commons" gives an insight into what mass immigration and neglect has done and the effect it has on our younger generations, Woolas is either living in or talking about another country or he is another one of labours very acomplished lairs who actually believes the crap he spouts himself, we all know which one he is and know the gullibles will still turn out and vote for labour who if they do get in will definitely make sure this country goes beyond the point of no return.
why does enoch powell suddenly spring to mind?? i have no fear of saying there are far too many immigrants...the p.c brigade dont scare me
This is nothing new,we have known this situation exists for the last 10 years and we have all let it happen,there is no going back now.
The only way to fix this problem is to start repatriating the peoples that come to the UK to sponge off the state...we simply can not afford them. Remember they are guests and we have a right to end their stay if and when required. They can not expect a right of passage and get free handouts whilst at the same time putting the peoples of England, Ireland Scotland and Wales on the bottom of the housing, medial,schools lists.. What Nulabour has done must be seen as a criminal act against our country and should be reversed.
And most of them vote Labour. We need to remove a couple of million at least.
So the government tell us this is not so when we on the ground know damned well that it is so. What is more they - the government - probably have figures to prove it. Ever heard the phrase 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics'? This is the one area as far as I am concerned that the government truly do excel in. Can't believe a thing any of them say anymore especially now that David Taylor an honest politician has gone.
What do you expect after 62 years of uncontrolled immigration? What's worse is that the Tories were in power for 39 of those years and did NOTHING. And you're going to vote for them?
We have allowed this to happen. We have sat back and done nothing, scared to speak out in case someone from the PC brigage calls us racist. I am just as much to blame. We need to DO something before it is too late. Leave it much longer and the damage to this Country will be so great that it will never be the same again. It is not too late, there are still millions of Britons in this Country that still care. What can we do?
Brown must resign. Time we had an elected Government which protected the British culture.
I say shut the doors now. No more hand outs. Review all those that have come into this country and if they haven't got jobs and homes by now and are supporting themselves, then send them back to where they came from. For all of those wishing to come into this country in the future, they must have money to back them, a good education, receive no benefits/hand outs until they have worked for five years, that way they have put something into the pot, have a private medical insurance and can speak English. If they don't have any of the above THEN DON'T EXPECT TO BE LET IN
So, Enoch Powell was right all those years ago?
Look, can't we blame this on the 'odious' BNP, or UKIP, because it can't be the fault of any of the three 'major parties', can it?
immigration boom is stretching everything. We cannot accommodate all these people in the UK. Our lives are being reduce to third country status. We must reduce our population before we have more riots. Vote UKIP or BNP they are the only parties that will do anything.
Vote BNP they seem the only party prepared to sort this out!
Er, East Europeans aren`t the only mass immigrants.
The big joke is that the other parties have massively held back from ripping Labour to shreds over their social/vote engineering with immigration - because any immigrant would see that as an attack on them - and thus a vote loser. An effective, but deeply cynical strategy from Labour. I could never, ever vote for them again.
That's funny. I've been banging on about this for over 10 years.Does that make me smart? No. What does it say about our leaders though? This was an obvious outcome of an enlarged border free Europe (free movement of people and goods) and letting peoples from our ex colonies in with a free British passport and then not policing the rest of the immigrants from all over the world. The next obvious stage (to me) is when the infrastructure of the UK is totally overwhelmed, business and the economy totally depleted, and the identitiy of the population transformed - the UK will be a lot poorer and deeper in debt. Only when it is not a nice place to go will migrant workers and others cease to come ie when there is no money left to pay unemployment benefit or free NHS & when there are no jobs left. Let's face it - we're nearly there now!!!
This the madness of new Labour, if we were a large country like America with room to expand mass immigration would probably a good thing, but as we are a small island , now bankrupt thanks to new Labour heading in the same direction as Greece , Labours mass immigration policy certainly is a bad thing for every body.This is now country people want to emigrate from but thats not so easy , because the majority other countries have sensible immigration controls in place , probably because they care about their citizens and recognize the concept of nation state.
It's time. It's time for change. To the BNP for a real change.
Roosting chickens comes to mind. This Government has for 13 years been living in a sort of fairyland about immigration. In this fairyland immigrants flood into the country, they don't need houses, they don't consume anything or produce any waste, they never get sick, their children don't need schools, so consequently the government doesn't need to provide any money to local authorities. However In the real world local council tax payers have to pick up the bill and public services in some areas of the country are under severe and increasing pressure. The Nu Labour government has irrevocably changed the face of Britain and we never got a say in the matter. The immigration policy has just been one long catalogue of spin, deception and downright mendacity.
Teflon Tone, Two Jags, and Brown know full well what they are doing . At the election keep a close eye on those postal votes !!!!!
By standing by watching this happen and doing nothing, we are also guilty of a type of treason. So what to do? Could we not organise a united course of action...by everyone of like mind. THAT WE ALL WITHHOLD COUNCIL TAX Not to refuse to pay..but to withhold until the government submits, halts this destruction to our country and ejects all those who should not be here , who came by devious routes...and halts the grossly wrong handouts of tax payers' money to people people who have not, at least, contributed to the pot. This is really something we could do..if our hearts and minds were firm.
I hate the expression, "undeserving poor", though God knows there are enough who match that description. Being poor, and needing assistance, is not /a priori/ an indication of indolence. If you think that it is, or prefer that there should be no safety-net, go live in America. That said, it's pretty hard to deny that there are too many immigrants who are a net drain on the national economy. It is unsustainable, and it makes no sense to pursue such policy - not even if one believes that there is a cynical agendum of creating an oversupply of unskilled labour for the purposes of driving down labour costs. I never voted Tory in my life, but I would this year. As it is, the Tories likely stand little chance of winning Cambridge, so I'll vote LibDem to keep Labour out. Bring on a decent system of proportional representation.
The damage these idiots have caused will never be put right.I have to say that the UK and Europe for that matter is ruined.The poor masses are squeezed to the limit.As the saying goes"even a worm will turn" it won't be long before there is a revolt.
This is the fault of the Labour government for being Blind as to what will happen and DID happen. Shame on them.
We can do nothing about this whilst we are in the EU. The Politicians unlawfuly gave away our right to stop it.
Tell us something we didn't know..all theses think tanks such as civitas etc. why don't they just ask the ordinary indigenous man in the street and they can tell you what really happening, I find this article patronizing , immigration is always on the agenda in the run up to any election, and whoever gets in be it labour or cons they will always spout a load of old tosh about immigration and once in power will do nothing about ... Time for a radical change in the government of this country
and we've only just realised this????
What about all the tax money that's been paid in by immigrants who only came to work in the uk for a short period and went back without taking anything aut,and filled in all the unwanted jobs!
Apart from the fact that Immigration should have stopped decades ago, we are not selective enough in those admitted thus, the lowly educated persons admitted are usually accompanied by large numbers of offspring plus, their dependant relatives - all a drain on our welfare and social services which, in turn cannot assist our remaining minimal resources!
Makes me just want to rush back NOT but they won't want me as i work and pay taxes and wont vote Labour !!!!!! Or for that matter TORYand LIB Dem Can some one start a political party that will stand for what are Fathers and |Grandfather fought for !!!!! Labour have sown the seed for the ruin of the UK Im sure they have feathered their nests so thay can move abroad when they get kicked out !!! Big Changes are needed but i think its to late
Please tell me which political party has vowed to put an end to all but essential immigration and I will put my X alongside their name.
We are being systematically replaced with cheaper, foreign, alien peoples. The politicians and bankers do not believe in Britain or its people; they have sold all our industries: Jaguar, landrover, Corus steel, Cadbury's, Pilkington Glass. they sold our national water and electricity infrastructure to the French, the Germans . . . they sold our airports to the Spanish. They sold our cod, herring, mackerel, plaice- to the Danes, the Spanish, the Dutch and the Russians. Even worse, they stole our pensions and exported the cash via the banks to China and India - to set up car and steel plants to manufacture all these things - then sold them back to us here in the UK. 'Globalisation' is ASSET STRIPPING and selling to the highest hidder on a global level. They have sold our cars, our steel, our energy, our fish, our jobs, our hospitals, our schools, our houses. They are not going to stop until nothing is left. We had best fight now or soon it will be too late.
libour is not bothered they do not have to send their children to these schools all they whant is the votes vote them out the others are just as bad
Are we to understand that the economic miracle that mass immigration has brought us, according to this Labour government and anyone else convinced of the superiority of left wing thinking, has not been able to provide for the inevitable burden that was to beset our public services. Perhaps when the great and the good of the left wing heroes of social engineering are standing in queues, along with the newly trained queuers from around the world, with a bucket in hand to collect water for their CO2 freindly homes, they might want to reflect on their wonderous experiment with this country's society. Perhaps they might just come to agree with us morons who have been warning of the forthcoming collapse in, not just hospitals and schools, but water and power supplies. No doubt the government is still in denial about this and will come to the conclusion that it's just another evil BNP plot to take over the world.
I don't think anyone believes a word Phil Woolas says, he and his government have been lying about statistics and massaging figures for years. I only have to visit my local city to see how immigration has impacted on this country. It is no surprise that local services and the NHS are struggling, but that won't impact on our elitist ministers and quite frankly they don't care about the indigenous population anymore - they are purely the cash cow to pay for their policies.
This has got to stop now Close our borders and dont let anymore in This country is at breaking point The working class have had enough of topping up money for immigrants to have. We would all like a 2 million house, shop at Brand name shops. Enough is enough Elizabeth
Perhaps Tower Hamlets council could give the £1.85m to the health service or education authority rather than the planned 'hijab' arches in Brick Lane!
so much for New Liebore`s education policy about " education education education" With 54%n of the pupils not able to speak english in schools in some areas how does Ed Balls propose to educate them without it costing more to other parents in one to one tuition etc??? It is hard enough for children to grasp the 3 R`s without having to learn english as well. Someone somehwere will suffer for this and guess what it will be the tax paying hardworking families and New Liebore will suffer in the election results--they should be ashamed of what they are putting families through.
This is not an immigration boom it is a disaster and it is not over yet, migrants should not be allowed into the country unless they can prove that they are capable of supporting themselves before entry is allowed and they sign a declaration that they will not expect benefits or use of public services for free. If you migrate to Canada they will make you sing such a undertaking but i dont think that our dictatorship of Brown and his criminal cronies would like it as they prefer migrants to there own people.
when will the govt tell us something we dont already know??--this country is ''sinking'' due to LIEbour,,immigration has RUINED our country,,it doesnt take a genius to see--and there arent any in govt!!!--just thieves,liars and cowards!!!
All members of the Blair and Brown administrations are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
"Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" I'm not in favour of the BNP either, but there IS a very active political party that has the above points, almost exactly, as its election platform. I know I'll be voting for THEM in a few weeks.
It is time to call a complete halt on immigration for at least 5 years. Pity this Government has surrendered all control over immigration to the E C and has not control whatsoever on those com,imng from Europe. It is also time that no local authority should have to pay additional costs for education, etc., for foreign students who should be paid for entirely by central governmentso that the figures cannot be fudged. No costs for transalation of documents or for dealing with children with no English should be paid for by local authorities who should be forbidden to make any accomodation for foreign citizens. Petrhaps themn Labour would own up to its policy of changing the UK
This flood of immigration has long been the principal cause of most of the country's problems. A huge and fecund migrant population will: 1. Stretch our education, health and welfare system to breaking point 2. Place unbearable pressures on our housing policies so we see more and more of our countryside (and our food producing areas) swallowed up to house this generation of immigrants and there progeny. 3. Destabilise our cultural and historical base by creating ghettos of immigrants who have no desire or intention of integrating into Britain and its culture 4. Cause social tension and encourage violent crime 5. Cause massive job shortages and resentment as immigrants are seen to take more and more jobs 6. Place an intolerable burden on the wealth generating sectors of the UK as more and more immigrants take up government created public sector jobs, This is not a Rivers of Blood statement, it is one of simple arithmetic and common sense.
Anybody surprised? How you can open the doors to everyone without thinking about how the national health service etc., will cope, is beyond me. Sounds like a repeat of Blair and Bush when they jumped up and down in joy at having won the war with Iraq but had made no plans for the aftermath. Unknowingly we've been voting for brainless politicians. All MPs should be made to have an intelligence test and if they don't pass they should be sacked.
The British Identity is long gone. Ruined by this Labour bunch of thickos. It's too late I'm afraid.
The great labour legacy, social engineering lunacy. Change or Ruin.
We have to push the government not the folk already in this country. They're here because the borders were down,they don't deserve benefits,but neither bad treatment. By the way,the system has been already on its limits even before this huge mass rushed into Britain,thus worse than ever now. Politicians has shown to have a second plan behind those plans presented on the news. Im not anti government,im just pointing who's indirect cause of the problem. See countries like Austria?I guess immigrants just don't get there and settle in a £££ flat, and procreate,doesn't work like that.What's wrong in UK following some good examples out there?Too much pride?What's going on? Politicians doesn't read this comments, if they did, they'd know how to work for the people like they always say before being elected.
Dear British you were the only country in Europe to allow Polish straight away, without any restrictions.......they were usefull, they were cheap ..... Now you pay the price sorry,,,,,
You can't have it both ways. Why complain about immigrants contributing to the economic boom and filling skill shortages during good times and demanding they leave during a downturn. Who exactly is going to do the skilled jobs. I don't remember zero unemployment even in the false boom of the last decade. Look at this message board and the diverse countries contributors are now living in. I bet those countries don't have a problem accounting for who is in their country. Blame the government for shoddy accounting, not those who are willing to come here to work!
Here we have local councils of areas where these immigrants are still pouring having to fund services for them and stating that they cannot cope, and at the same time we have the fellow clown woolas following his lying boss and saying that all the eastern europeans have all gone back to their own countries, based on the form of the brown government I know who I believe.
Dear British you were the one in the first place , the only one in Europe with Ireland to open your doors wilde to the Polish. Sorry but you that is what you get, if you leave your borders open
My husband works in a once family business where all the workers came from the UK but now he is of a minority because most of the workers are from Poland. One of them went home and took all his money with him, but now he needs more money, so he contacted the boss of the company and asked for his old job back, and guess what he got it. What happened to British jobs for British workers?. Our son works in construction and cannot find a job because the companies employ the EU workers because they do it for less, he gets very angry because he is not allowed to work on site without a health and safety certificate but once again some of the EU workers don't have them and a lot can't even speak English. Yes some do go home but for every 1 person who goes home 2 more come here.
I'm sure Tony Bliar would like to donate some of his ill gained fortune's toward the mess he has created in England.
Er, BNP could have told you this and stopped it 10 years ago!!
And who do we thank for this situation, HEATH, BLAIR, BROWN. Welcome to the benefits of EU membership, and the gutless denial of a referendum.
Of course we know this and the govenment dont care....but we are a people can do something about but we dont. True to English style, the English just sit and moan at home and dont do anything about it.....get you acts together we have an election coming up....
This is the land of milk & honey? With almost 3 million unemployed!!! Yet still the poles & eastern europeans come!!! Enough is enough!!!
And I have said for some time that "Diversity" in schools is holding education back! The crazy Government is asking too much of their teachers there is no way they can be successful catering for all their different pupils no matter how simple it might first sound. The idiots we call " Government" had not thought it through...raced in blindly to appease ..........hoping now it will settle and sort itself out. Well it HASNT and there is worst on the horizon!
All grist to the BNP mill I think.
Speaking of Peterborough City centre where I did work recently, it seemed that every other couple or group that I passed in the street was speaking a foreign tongue.
I applaud the people on this sight that have finally woken up and realised that the lab/co/lib alliance will do nothing about immigration or immigrants currently living here, but to the people that come on this sight and moan on about immigration and its affects on our country I say this "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT ,KEEP VOTING FOR LAB/CON/LIB AND WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO COME ON HERE AND MOAN OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO REALISE AND VOTE B.N.P . Even if the B.N.P win a hand full of M.P's the political classes will be fighting like cat and dog to address immigration,because they will not want to loose their place on the gravy train ! " COME ON WAKE UP".
The only people who DON'T see the problems are the very people who opened the flood gates...........
We have two duties with anyone who wants to come here; 1 Lerrum settle 2 Meet all their needs We've got better at number 1 since 1997 but we still need to work on number 2. Celebrate diversity. Immigrants enrich the culture and add to the economy. They must do or else why would we allow them. Right? Right?
what lies from the Town Hall Chiefs our glorious leader GB has stated that immigration is not a problem but a realadvantage to the economy and an even bigger advantage to his personal esteem and of course to New Liebours election chances.
Now is the time to stop it and sort out the people who are not supossed to be here it looks to me as this country is the dust bin of the world there must be big adverts some where "come to the UK we will give you a house and benifts as soon as you arrive" its getting out of hand not time sonthing was done for the TRUE Brisitish people I worry about my grand children futer in this country what is there going to be for them when they grow up?
Who do you think is going to suffer if this is so? of course! the people who are less able to pay for private care and schooling etc! the article says" the cracks are beginning to appear" well no one is surprised at that!! the jolly chaps in Westminster are all certainly in private health schemes and the majority have never sat in a general hospital waiting room, or in a corridor, where if you are lucky the tea machine works! also where everyone speaks different languages and you can see the discontentment that exists between these patients! I personally do not care who treats me, and admire all hospital staff tremendously! but it is nice to see a friendly face when you are in this situation! I am a regular visitor to several hospitals,mainly for check ups, I can tell you that it is obvious now that the future of our health service is in the hands of people who do not know what I am talking about! and why should they? their bread is buttered and it's just an exercise on paper to them!
A friend went into a primary school where half the children were polish in her class and interpreters are having to be financed..it is criminal..but it is true the givernment do not care..we are 178 billion in debt..we know who not to vote for but cameron must do something to stop our country being taken .
I have been saying for years that our schools, NHS, police and housing have been inundated with problems from unregulated immigration both legal and illegal. What happens when they all get to pension age and they have never made any contributeds into the system? This government seems intent on destroying this country. We have seen the closures of PO, police stations, libraries all because money is needed to give to immigrantes. Border Force is a joke, they catch people who have obviously entered the country illegally and who are then told to report each week but who then disappear. Time to get tough seeing as we are now in dept to the tune of billions. Thanks labour.
for as long as we the tax payers pay out for immigrants to choose their own mansions to live in and as long as we pay out millions of pounds to them in unearned benefits and familly allowances ,free health care, clothing and everything else, these people will continue to come to this country. They should not be given any benefits until they have paid income tax for at least two years and without a sponser they should not be allowed into this country, no money to support themselves,and /or no visa they should be put on the next plane home, break the laws then deport them along with their families but as long as we have the libreal minded quangos and commitees and this goverment who are frightened incase they 'offend' ,things will contiue to be as they are.We are the only country in the western world to allow such things and until it is altered things will stay and continue as they are.
immigration is the problem.....BNP is the solution
The joke is most people knew this years ago. But we are bound and gagged into silence by the Labour gang. Not racist; just my honest opinion. Then the idiots wonder why people are turning to the BNP and like.
If you vote Li/Lab/"Con" servative/Kip you will be voting for your own extinction, which leaves you only one real choice to end this madness.
We are all wasting our breath, the government does not want to listen.
at least the poles do come here to work and pay tax in to the system as well as increase pressure on local services. the main problem is that there is no reliable record of who comes and goes or where they are.
We're the only country that let them all pile in. This country sucks, give it a few years and even they won't want to come here because it will be so c**p!!!
It's what the people voted for, three times in ten years
As I am aware of , you only can live in another EU country when you can support yourself. It means also, that for NHS services will be paid by them. Why, I ask me, is the NHS crackling?
If they can't speak English then let them go, do not treat them do not help them at schools do not help them fill out the benefits forms or any other form that gives them FREE services or money and THEN they will go home, this must be the only country in the world where we put our self out to help those that do not give a damn about us
stop handing out our money to benefit scroungers. ..... no workie....no money.........., no freebie...no likey ....!!! PROTECTIONISM. thats whats drawing me to the BNP. i'm not a rascist, i'm a protectionist.
just go for a walk around leicester town center any morning spoken english is now a minority language
Just about everyone with an IQ saw this coming. Some people declared that it was part of labour's plan and it really started to look like they were right. Now we hear that yes, it was their plan all along to open the gates, lie about the figures and call anybody who objected a racist. Now someone explain to me which part of that isn't treason. And why Blair and Brown aren't facing charges.
Doesn't this go to prove to this CRACK POT GOVERNMENT of our's that:- " YOU CAN NOT GET A PINT IN A GILL GLASS " there perhaps NOW THEY WILL SHUT THE DOOR TO ANY MORE IMMIGRANT'S COMING TO THIS OVER CROWDED COUNTRY OF OUR'S (And REPEAT OUR's ) Possibly they might LISTEN because with it affecting SCHOOL 's a place of learning the GOVERNMENT MIGHT and I repeat MIGHT themselves learn some sense, if that is at all possible. We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs, 16/2/2010 16:35 YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN MAC of Lancs!!!!!! THE TROUBLE IS THE GOVERNMENT DO NOT LISTEN AT ALL AT WHAT THEIR VOTING PUBLIC THINK,- - - THAT is why I hope, along with lot of the electorate (who would normally be Voting LIAR-BORE )- - - VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT AS THE BRAINS TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND AND MAKES THIS COUNTRY TO BE A COUMTRY TO BE PROUD OF.
Stupid E.U. joining Germany together sucked the money out of West Germany. Yet they have expanded East at a cost to all of Western Europe . Beware and be very afraid if they let a very large and backward country that is only a tiny bit even in Europe join then any problems now will fade away in a tide of "now " legal arrivals.
The ordinary man & woman has known this this for a long time, to say anything we have been branded racist. Schools have been flooded with pupils who cannot speak English, achievement levels set for school, making life for the teacher's impossible. This Alice in Wonderland thinking from our politicians has ruined this Country.
Surprised? Anyone with any common sense could see this coming. That is anyone but our useless, incompetent labour government and their sycophantic supporters.
But immigration Minister Peter Woolas insisted: “The number of Eastern Europeans arriving in the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.” Hmmmm…. Kind of makes you wonder why they’re coming here, then. eh..!! It can’t be for the climate.
Remember Enoch Powell
'Thousands of migrants are not being counted because of the flawed population methodology used by the Office of National Statistics.' But Immigration Minister Phil Woolas insisted: 'The number of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.' LIAR; LIAR; LIAR. MASS-ARRESTS of this bunch LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES CRIMINALS ,TRAITORS, is the only solution to what they've DONE to ENGLAND.
Well DAVE here is your manifesto for you, STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW, GET OUT THE EU NOW............save on paper 1 page and your the new PM, but of course you will not say what the people wan't,.......BNP for me, i have had enough.
Why are the Poles and E Europeans getting blamed here? They come here and work to do the jobs that the lazy dole queuers dont want to do. These people will clean offices, wait tables and work in kitchens - - - which is obviously below many British citizens on hand-outs. They also pay there taxes and are generally good people and it's about time they stop getting blamed for all of these. If there were no jobs in UK they wouldnt come . . . but lazy Brits at home on the dole are the reason they are here. Fix the cause and not the symptom
I'm sure some of our multicultural immigrants live upfront lives, work, pay taxes and contribute to society. Isn't it time you Brit people stop listening to fraudulent spin, and open your eyes long enough to realise that your government has shafted not only you but future generations? And some still have the audacity to combine Great and Britain in the same sentence.
Whats the point...no one is listening......eventually the island will sink under the weight....extra people and obese people and then we can start again.
Jail the Labour Loonies who made this possible
I'm voting BNP as they are the only party that support US, not the immigrants. Enoch Powell predicted this many years ago. Should have listened to him. Close the borders and remove the immigrants and their huge families that are not entitled to be here.
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell.
The solution is easy. 1.Tighten our immigration regulations. 2. ENFORCE THEM!
Don't worry. The Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, said he's not lying awake at night worrying about the UK population heading towards the 70.000,000 mark. So we have about eight or nine million to go. Bring 'em on. Gormless Gordon and his government treat the British public with utter contempt. Labour has failed miserably. Not only on immigration but also the economy, pensions, education, the NHS, the justice system and the police....to name but a few.
Close the borders now. Ask everyone who does not have paperwrok, politely, to leave. Those that don't leave will be found and escorted nicely to the borders, where they will have to work their way back after 5 years and attaining a degree in a proffession too few people have-skilled workers are always useful. COuncil tenants and socail security spongers should get college and job training places, in all kinds of careers, there are so many opportunites to start new proffessions and so many areas that need work- gardens in public places, children that need childminders for working mothers, construction jobs, subsidized by training schemes- work in training etc., Beautification schemes, keep fit schemes. Nobody needs to sponge off the state, nobdy REALLY wants to do nothing, and there are too many immigrants using the stretched resources. Time to get Britain back with it's people.
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester, 17/2/2010 3:17 Actually no we wouldn't I have a country house in the UK and we don't want any riff raff ruining the locality including English riff raff.
and what is Mr Cameron going to do about this appalling influx of people to our small island? Yet again he will pander to soundbites and actually do nothing. He's begining to look like a loser with no guts, no balls and no policies. When will he understand why he's only marginally ahead of the even worse liebour party? Who will save our country?
Liblabcons will never have the courage to change the immigration policies to any significant extent. Now will they have the courage to address issues such as crime, EU membership costs or needless wars. If we want to see any real change in our society we need to vote BNP.
Other cities have the same problems.
Stop loading the ammo in the BNP gun you fools. So in your world its fine if you want to move to Spain or Portugal but if your an eastern European with good skills its too bad your not allowed here. I hate to say this but we are in Europe and these people are allowed to come here and work as we are to go there and do likewise.
We all pay the same taxes and bills as you english do!!! so dont treat as like something worst than we are.
Well now, there´s a surprise: government ministers saying one thing, and the people on the ground, who know, saying something quite different. It was a blinding glimpse of the obvious that this would happen but NuLabour, hell-bent on social engineering at any cost, chose to disregard it. No the chickens - and the bills - are coming home to roost. Pay attention Mr Cameron.
People seem to think that Liebour have been in control of immigration, the sad fact is they havent and have never had a will or a way to impose any controls without contradicting their racist agendas! Liebour have lurched from one crisis to the next with little clue as to what to do other than knee jerks spin's! The sorriest bunch of "dumbed down" politicians in the history of this country have allowed this to happen, soon we will be rid of them for good I hope!
"Town hall chiefs yesterday condemned the Government's immigration figures, saying high and uncounted numbers of new residents are putting too much strain on services. A string of local authorities said few of the 1.5million Poles and other Eastern Europeans who came after 2004 had gone home." And, how long have many of us been saying this on this and other threads for the last 4 or 5 years?
Well stop moaning and just take to the streets to protest like other countries would . We are too laid back in this country we moan but do not do anything about it. I bet none of yoy lot have joined the BNP or even looked on their website.
They claim child benefits while they're working here - which are sent back 'home'. Then, when the work dries up and they go home, they STILL get the benefits. And they're talking about stopping winter fuel payment to paid-up, ex-pat pensioners who managed to escape?
The government don't care about anything, not even employment. We have been in a recession for ages now and the government has done absolutely nothing about it. All these high executives are getting bonuses and the banks are getting bonuses and the government is just letting it all happen. The government does not care about this country anymore.
I feel constrained to follow the example of the British Sikh who recently jointed the BNP. Like him I simply do not see any alternative .....I do not trust any of the main 3 parties on this (or other) issues, and I am sick of seeing this proud nation being devalued and my grandchildrens birthright being compromised on the alter of the multi-cultural lie. Woolas is a left wing fool who appears more than happy to let a multitude of benefit hungry dross into this country, and yet had the nerve to try and prevent a small number of honourable people like the Ghurkas from entering, despite the fact they had risked their lives in service to the nation. As such this silly little man has NO credibility whatsoever and, particularly following the LGA advices, anything he says cannot be believed. But he is still there ............
Well, I think people know who do vote for to put a stop to the invasion by now don't they. They need to be quick before English becomes a language spoken only by the native minority in places like London, Birmingham and Leicester.
May I just thank all of you who voted Labour these past three elections. Take a bow,pat yourselves on the back and savour the part you have played in bringing Great Britain to it's knees. You have been party to uncontrolled immigration that can never,ever be reversed. I have watched in despair since 1997,knowing from the last strains of things can only get better,than we would end up here,where we now are. Labour always bankrupt,maybe that's why they have abolished history,just in case anyone learns from it.
will the last english person to leave please close the door and switch off the lights and leave quitely thank you
Will someone please vote for a party that sorts out this mess once and for all. Cameron and the conservatives only want to put a cap on those entering from outside the EU.....It is those from Eastern Europe INSIDE the EU that are now swamping the UK!! and they are NOT going home! Why would they when our government gives them more than they could even dream of back in their homelands, at the expense of the British people!! The BNP have now proven themselves to be open to ethnic membership, proving they only have the UK's interests in mind. Even if we put them in for one term, 4 years, they will sort out the immigration catastrophe once and for all. Ultimately it is the knock on effect of immigration that is destroying this country from jobs and schools to health and local services. We must act now to save us all from more of this madness.
Gordon, Wos about us mate ? My proposal: Bring back the crime of treason
I object to having to go through 'EU citizens' passport control.
Do you not realise the most basic fact? Britain is now paying the price for riding roughshod over much of the world, colonising it, calling it their own, imposing their rules and languages on third world nations, taking their pick of the local populations to take home as slaves? You lot would have been the first to support the British Empire in its day, and would happily have made the most of the opportunities for Brits in the Raj, and colonial Africa & Asia. Do you really think the government choose to have things the way they are regarding immigration? Of course not, but their hands are tied. The European Union and the legacy of colonialism have made Britain what it is today.
i work for morrisons at a huge new distribution site and on my nightshift i do i as an englishman are a minority on this shift.it is 80% eastern european and 20% british i am truly disgusted at this.our country is in a complete shambles. the eastern europeans spend hardly any money in this country only the bear essentials and the rest of their money goes into eastern european bank accounts so how does that help our economy? 2.5 million unemployed in this country and how many would it be if we sent them all packing? not very many.i feel like a stranger in my own country now and it is certainly not great britain anymore..time to listen to your people mr brown and do something about it!!!
The Poles in particular are flooding and have flooded in. Many of them go straight onto benefits. If we don't put the BNP in government for just 4 yearsto sort out the immigation issue once and for all, this country will sink further down the toilet than it already has.
The BNP have nothing but concern for Britain and its values. They have opened their doors to ethnic membership and want only what is best for Britain. Cameron and the conservatives will continue with immigration...do not be fooled. Cameron wants to put a limit on immigration from outside the EU only. It is those from inside the EU that are now swamping the UK! For 'swamping' read Eastern Europe! The BNP are the only party who bring immigration levels down to something that is sensible.
If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico.
I worked in Poland as an expat some years ago. I paid my taxes and had private medical insurance. When I lost my job and tried to claim unemployment benefit - they laughed at me and told me to go home!!! When I politely inquired about what sort of pension I could expect when I reach retirement age - they nearly fell off their chairs!
It's taken how long for some bright spark to realise this? Just ask the people living amongst all these immigrants and they would have been able to tell you this years ago. I wonder how much this has cost the taxpayer to come to this conclusion?
Britons own form of ethnic cleansing thanks to the liebour party.
I would never have guessed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to England in the Dark Ages,plague,pestilence,over crowding,poverty.Marvellous what Gormless has achieved.His goal is to make every one subservient to him.Soon he'll be calling himself King
And here is a simple plan to solve it. 1) No benefits unless you have paid in for at least 5 years. 2) No translators, if you cannot speak English then learn at your expense not ours. 3) All state schools to adopt a policy of English only, no other language is acceptable. 4) All immigrants are last in the queue for housing. 5) All asylum seekers to be housed in one block with basic accommodation, they represent themselves no free legal help, asylum not granted then deportation within 24 hours. 6) No work permits issued unless you have a job to go to. 7) Only those with skills that are needed will get a visa all others will need to deposit 25k pounds in a British bank before being given a visa. The above will reduce immigration to a trickle overnight.
Hardworking taxpayers of the UK, I have a suggestion for getting some of our money back from these creeps who refer to themselves as politcians, sirs lords, right honourable members etc. Whenever any such person puts their property on the market, for instance the Blairs with their apartments in Bristol, "SHOW NO INTEREST", if you feel strongly that you want to buy, offer a quarter of the asking price and no more, the property is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, if there is no one interested then we can render their property portfolios "worthless". It was reported that G Hoon has a property portfolio of over a £1million again lets render this portfolio "worthless". When they retire from office on their platinum pensions all trades people, plumbers, electricians etc charge them 50 times the going rate for the job, lets give them some of their own medicine, and hit them where it will really hurt their pockets. They have allowed this crazy immigration policy.
The government might learn a lesson if everyone went on strike and refused to work to get benefits. Who would pay to support us then? The MP's? Doubt it. Unfortunately I think the main reason immigrants are treated like royalty over us is because they will ensure votes to the parties who give them privilages. What a way to run a country. We really need to rise up and chuck them out of government and rule this country the way we want, and as it should be. But of course we'll all just sit here and complain about it online instead. We need radical reform!
Someone should ask Phil Woolas how many students are being allowed in with accompanying families. Many large families are arriving particularly from SE Asia. Then they are allowed to stay legitimately for three years after finishing their studies. Apart from pressure on our public services, they are taking much needed places at universities from our own youngsters, and then providing competition in an already hard pressed jobs market. Our taxes are funding all this but no one asks if we regard the policy as fair and equal for our own citizens. I thought equality and fairness were top of the wish list for this hapless government.
Well STOP letting them in then. Duhhh
Immigration should be stopped for 10 years at least. All of this is Labour's doing. A saboteur could not have done a better job.
I was in the UK in 2007 and I would like to know what is the national language of the UK? It certainly is not English. I am sure that in due course the national language of "europe" will be either frenck or german. Stop immigration now and collect information on everyone as in the doomsday book. I am sure that it would highlight the differences between what the government are telling you and what reality is. Yet another reason to opt out of the EU. Good Luck.
Do a Brown, increase the council tax another thousand a year. You voted his party in, now pay. Stop complaining, hopefully you have learned your lesson, never vote Labour again.
The answer is simple. In England you speak English. Schools must not pander to foreign students and their languages in the same way that schools in Latvia do not prioritise English. Oh, but perhaps they do, in the knowledge that every pupil will want to migrate here. Britain has brought this immigration problem on itself. It is time to show them the door. We are full up. We have enough difficulties looking after our own elderly. We are not the conscience of the world and it is time that this multicultural experiment was concluded as a failure.
Politicians of the three major parties in this country have no aspirations to serve the people - they are all in the pockets of big business and sculpting their own brand of multicultural utopian illusion. Mass immigration has always been about serving the interests of the very wealthy (low wages, side-stepping employment regulations etc. ... and social engineering) Ordinary people are then left with the consequences - public services that can't cope, an even more massive pension shortfall in future, a demographic time-bomb, disintigration of social fabric, cultural segregation, islamification, erosion of free-speech etc. etc. What a pitiful mess this once pleasant country is now in.
Morons!
Why were we never asked if we wanted mass immigration or the mythical 'Multicultural' society, we did not want any of it, more so now we know we were cheated. How could our elected representatives let our resources get in the dreadful state they are in when they have engineered it all along, if that is not a total abuse of trust I do not know what is.
I've been saying, for probably thirty years that we don't need immigrants we need to decrease our population because the country is overfull. As for schools beginning to find it difficult to cope, thirty five years ago friends of mine had to get private tutoring for their son because he was getting so far behind with his education due to the time spent by the teachers trying to get through to foreign pupils who didn't speak English. When politicians tell us that we need the immigrants to keep our industries, (such as they are), going they are talking balderdash, how the hell do they think we managed during the war. Bearing in mind that large numbers of people were in the armed forces. I'll give you a hint about how we managed, we didn't have two million social security claimants for a start. So to sort out the problem today we need to export somewhere between five and ten million people, if we start cutting down social security benefits some of our visitors will leave of their own acc
Blair lied about the numbers of Immigrants for years, other political party's allowed him to get away with it, followed by Brown.They are all the same, Immigration does not affect them. We need to do as the French do and get out on the streets,until we do they are not going to listen.
Tell us something we don`t know.
Now, what will this pathetic excuse for a Government do about this then?
Not called NewLiebour for nothing. Trying to keep us at bay with lies while they do their best to destroy this country before the election. Get 'em out! Vote in UKIP before this country goes down the toilet!
Don't think for one minute that voting Conservative will change anything here folks. We need to get very tough in this country and voting for next best like a whimp won't do it!
Why do they keep blaming the eastern europeans? The mass influx including extended families has been from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India - more than 3 million of them. Perhaps this stupid government and incompetent Minister Woolas believe we will not state this obvious fact for fear of being called a racist by their political media friends?
Your kidding.. You mean no one saw it coming !! My sons school has more polish than English children t
The more I read, the more I see the BNP on the path to winning the next election. Labour is an absolute farce, the Tories are not much better, and the BNP seem to be the answers to our prayers immigration wise. Mark my words, the BNP will do better than anyone expects at the next election.
Will this Government ever learn,the public have had enough of the soft touch, and easy to use Benefit system to people who have paid no taxes yet able to claim money from the bottomless benefit pit.,also use our services for free.
I think you can all thank labour for this.
I think that when the BNP get into power, as they surely will in about 15 years, all the Labour politicians and some Torysshould be asked to leave. Afghanistan would be a good place to send them and their families.
I'm surprised Barnet Council is keeping quite about this huge problem. For the past few years, we've had East Europeans and the middle East flooding in Barnet. The regeneration scheme that was supposed to be halfway now is in chaos. Tower blocks that were supposed to have demolished 4 - 5 yrs are still occupied. People who were supposed to have moved to the new houses are not moving cause they are housing these people first. The blocks that are supposed to be empty are occupied by these people cause they are on the waiting list. Barnet took a lot of people from Brent and other councils cause they didn't have enough houses to house them. We have lived our whole life in this area and have been eagerly waiting to no avail. Labour knows that the only people who will vote for them are these people they are supplying with everything. Guess where my vote is going
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
There was an article in the Mail the other day about kids being taken out of school to go on holiday as travel agents bump up the price of vacations during school holidays. I've never taken my children out of school for a holiday, but I shall have no qualms about doing it now. The reason? Because both my son and my daughter have reported to me on numerous occasions that they were left to chat to friends in lessons because their teachers were busy with the non-English speaking children. If my children go to school with the intention of learning, but are being neglected because of the immigrants taking up the teachers' time, then I cannot be expected to feel guilty about taking them out of school. If children want to start at their school then they should at least have a grasp of English first. We're looking to move away now just so my children can go to a school where they will be taught, not come second to immigrants. IT HAS GOT TO STOP!
Please do not worry. One day soon the first day of the Marxist paradise will dawn and all will be happy as we will be so brainwashed that no-one will care any more.Every family of thirty members or more will have their room with its own roof to inhabit. There will be no more foreigners to worry about as the entire indigenous population will have voluntarily self-euthanased with the help of kindly government figures and all our representitive leaders will be Scottish and cry a lot on giant screens on the walls of the People's Palaces previously known as churches. Seriously I DO NOT care any more ; I am buying a one way ticket to the Gobi Desert and am going to stay there!
Immigrants wil be setting up their own schools and hospitals soon with grants from the government no doubt. Surely schools and hospital services have to be earned before anyone is able to use them. We're all daft as brushes and the bureaucrats as daft as hoovers
Well if we stop immigration and send loads home that will ease the congestion,but failing that we should stop all financial hand outs and just put them on long waiting lists like ordinary brits have to be on,then it won't seam like an attractive decision to come here and scrounge will it?
They don't care we're full up they just need to import more voters cos we Brits HATE LIEBOUR
Meanwhile the NHS faces severe cuts, so how will that help hospitals cope. This governement has no idea, and is completely useless.
Sorry, couldn't care a damn anymore. Nobody listens so I got out.
The picture covering this story identifies the exact reason for this problem! Those EU Stars, in the shape of the Crown Of The Madonna, is the root cause. What the hell are we as a country doing associating ourselves with a Marxist organisation headed by a convicted criminal (yes Barroso was convicted for stealing!). Perhaps our revered Monarch might wish to finally explain why She has signed all of those treaties which have subjugated us to the EU foreign power. Thousands and thousands of us have petitioned Her for an answer and yet She stays silent. Why!!!! We have the Right to petition our Monarch and the Monarch has a duty and MUST respond to the petition. If She doesn't want a full scale revolution (July 14th would be as nothing in comparison) on Her hands she would do well to start giving a few answers. And NOT with a Minister sat next to Her as the 1911 Government Act treasonously decrees.
My dear Gran used to say "charity should begin at home". Certainly cap benefits to newly arrived migrants - other countries do it. It's common sense. Or is this an insidious attempt to run our welfare state so far into the ground that the politicians can say, "look it doesn't work. let's get rid of it", as opposed to "we want to get rid of the welfare state." which would be a no vote grabber. Devious stuff.
Don't just blame Gordon & Tony - this is a deliberate EU policy to destroy and sense of national or regional identity. The Germans did it in Poland in the 40's, the Russians all over the place under Stalin. We are a part of a social experiment, people. However much you're prepared to put up with there'll always be 'just that little bit more'. When you're really fed up and are prepared to swap words for deeds it'll stop. Not before.
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs The media also knew, but they ignored it.
It's going to take a revolution to sort this out, and it won't be long coming!!!
All these complaints coming from Tory controlled areas....There would not be an election in the wind now would there?.....Propaganda !
The Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are controlled by the EU, who are, in turn, controlled by the Bilderbergers. That is precisely why it matters very little whether you vote for Clegg, Brown, Cameron or Pearson because they are all in favour of the Elite's New World Order . If on the other hand you still have faith in the UK as an independent nation, that we should control our own destiny, that you value what our forefathers died for, that you inherently trust our own legal system, that you value our Constitutional Rights that Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights bestow, that you wish to have no truck with Marxism, that you think we should manufacture and give employment to our own people rather than the global economy, that you hate the cancer of PC, then you are in good company with those of us in the British National Party. If you only ever vote once for BNP in the interests of unity and the sacrifices of our forefathers then do it shortly! There is NO OTHER OPTION
Controlling of immigration will begin once Labour feel they have enough voters
I am completely bewildered by what is going on in this country. Why would anybody in their right mind open the floodgates to millions of foreigners, flood out the education system and risk the lives of the indigenous population who have paid taxes all of their lives only to find the hospitals are swamped with immigrants when they need help from their own health system. The loony left disguised itself as a moderate centre party and then carried out every horrendous left wing Marxist policy imaginable. The British public have been led by the nose and still they do nothing.
It was somewhat obvious (well, obvious to everyone except our Labour government) that it was totally inevitable that this would be the result of uncontrolled immigration.
Shakespeare writing about this government. " Oh what a tangled web we weave when first, ( second, third ad infinitum )we practice to deceive."
Alright kids? The reason why you can't get a job & will never get a decent place to live is because the government works for the EUSSR & you as a British national are last in the que! In fact they actually want you to fail!
The problem is not immigration but the native people WHO SHOULD LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY.
Vote BNP, not to get those nutcases in power (don't worry they are not terribly glamorous) but just enough elected representatives to keep the other nutcases on their toes.
This government has ruin our once great Britain. The quicker we get you out the better, no wonder people are turning towards the UKIP and BNP what else is there to do?
There is ONE language - it's called English, so no translators are needed can't speak it ? let them learn at their own expense and if you can't speak English you must be a danger in the work place as we have already seen in the medical profession. if that makes me racist - tough. The abuse to our hospitality in this country is a disgrace. Sort it out - Gordon couldn't sort the sock drawer !
Can I have my own country back please? I'm a self-employed tradesman with my own premises and have just parted with a large wad of money to the Inland Revenue and my local authority which has left me with very little room to manouevre financially. I have had to cut my drawings by 30% to keep my company running and my standard of living has fallen significantly in the last 18 months. What particularly irks me is how my (and your)contributions are wasted so blatantly-( how about a few pot-holes mended ?-not on your nelly.) It would appear that some people are invited into this country and avail themselves of vital public services and accommodation with many of them are experiencing an improvement in their standard of living at the expense of the working taxpayer.I'm getting on in years and I'm tired of seeing our government destroy utterly what was once our Great Britain. Our ancestors would weep.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Britain's wonderful multicultural welfare state is a total failure and native Britons are continually getting screwed. But what will Britons do about it? Probably nothing. You're ultra PC and utterly complacent and it's destroying you all.
Derr! And it's taken them this long to speak out? Why? Or is it that, like in Wakefield, the council can't afford to go on building the grandiose schemes they had, so now they've noticed the extra people? As if building new shopping centres was ever going to be economically viable, given that even before the recession 1 in 8 units were unoccupied ( thanks to greedy landlords), now in Wakefield it looks like at least 1 in 4 ( that doesn't include the ones on temporary lease to pound shops and charity shops). But no, Wakefield Council is still going ahead with building a new retail centre, even though it's been put on hold for over a year, and even though shops are shutting down left, right and centre in Wakefield city centre.... And who'll be employed there? Not me, I've been looking for a reasonably flexible retail job for 2 years, but obviously they can get kids and immigrants to work for less than they'll pay me. Sour grapes? No, economic reality.
MARTIN, CLITHEROE, 16/2/2010 Caroline, Aberdeen, 16/2/2010 Readers & writers to this Daily Mail column can now rise up & say - WE TOLD YOU SO, YEARS AGO & WE WERE IGNORED. The voting public can see that the face of Britain is changing. LEGAL immigrants who have properly applied, have certified jobs to go to, have passed medical, police checks & have sufficient funds to house theselves will be needed, if only to replace those of us who have sold up & left UK for good. These were the reqirements for us to emigrate with our 4 children, all of us born & bred in UK for generations.The points system had ONE other requirement, we ALL had to speak ENGLISH. (French would be acceptablre if we had wanted to go to Quebec) My boys attended 3 different schools according to age group, ALL teachers & pupils spoke English. French could be studied voluntarily if needed. fedupcheshire, cheshire - AGREE!
Well, you only have yourselves to blame. Until you invest in a backbone and vote for the BNP, nothing will change.
The problem is that if we say anything against immigration and the immigrants then we are called RACIST..........We need to get our country back.............for Gods sake we are an island..........it should be very easy to seal our borders and just let in those WE want and need............not all the wasters that do arrive here........i think that the BNP will do very well at the next election if they play their cards right....we really have got to breaking point
phil woolas is a no good lying left wing scumbag .
" Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing? " Half the trouble is though, that immigrants aren't queueing for anything. Quite the opposite in fact - the fatted calf is killed and the red carpet, which goes all the way to the front of the queue, is rolled out. Meanwhile, there are people here living in abject poverty, or are unable to get housing ( both even ) and yet no help wings it's way to them, in the same fashion. It is unfair and will end in tears.
I wish more people realised that nothing will change under Labour or Consevratives. The BNP has warned about this for years, they deserve the backing of the British public.
if labour say the eastern europeans have gone then they come to hereford because theres nearly ten thousand there theyve even got theyre own shops now and monopolise all the manual jobs in the area it realy is shocking how the government as allowed this island to be swamped to suffocation like it as
What a shame. The government wanted to attract lots of people from other countries to make Britain's economy stronger, but what happend? Lots of them live on benefits and try to get everything for free.... Also, only few per cents of eastern Europeans are well educated and speak in fluent English in this country and only they should stay if they want, because others should pack their baggage and leave this country...
This is exactly what we are saying in Wales. Deffro'r Ddraig - Awaken the Dragon - Right to be Welsh. Google that and you will see that thousands have signed a petition to the Welsh Assembly Government to draw attention to colonisation gpoing on WITHIN the British Isles.
NU LABOUR........TRAITORS.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. They have been let in to keep wages low.
Ofsted have said that my daughter's C of E Primary School in Peterborough only has 25% white British pupils in it !!!
Its not just immigrants stretching town hall budgets, it's the 20% of your Council Tax that goes towards the Local Government, Pension Scheme (Super Annuation) which is unsustainable. It's the Chief Exec's of councils that earn more than the Prime Minister. Their pay is decided by Councillors at any particular Council, so the Chief Exec in return will award Councillors with a little favour in return. Firstly get rid of the dead wood in town halls, then have ago at immigrants draining the system. So much waste!
NEWSFLASH : Bears DO S***in the woods! £1 Trillion spent on handouts to whoever chooses to shack up home here. A debt that will never be repaid.Not in my lifetime.
Well it appears after all these years that Enoch Powell was rightÂ…. and no one believed him. They called him a racist and a bigotÂ… I wonder if those peoples views have now changed?
So whats the problem - employ more workers, more workers means more taxs, more taxs pays for more services. Its bad planning that causes services to not meet demans - nothing else.
I think Britain's immigration boom is stretching EVERYTHING to capacity, and that includes my patience and tolerance levels. Shut the doors.
Not going to vote BNP. But UKIP will stop all immigration for five years, get us back our own government, and stop the EU forcing us to take Eastern European immigrants.
We've been yelling and screaming this for years now, and no one ever listened! Importing vast numbers of extra, unbudgeted-for people MUST put systems under strain. This is only logical. How come Mr and Mrs Average Joe on the street can predict these economic crisies, and yet those we elect cant see them coming even though they profess to be experts? Why ARE we electing these people? Why do they even WANT to be elected? Possibly for the perks, the expenses they can claim, the fact that they can do one term and retire forever on a permanent pension. They think we are all so stupid. They rely on our vote but then think they are omnipotent, and they want their own way regardless of how they ruin our lives. The TRUTH WILL COME OUT. I hope in time for these faithless politicians who have let us all down to be punished for their incompetence at the very least, their wilful destruction of the British way of life preferably!
A shower of incompetents.
the best solution is ruthless remaining manufacturing and agrocultural sector outsourcing to eastern europe. Jobs for those who want to work!!
I am from Lithuania, living and working for 6 years in UK. Speaking advanced English, Russian so I don't need translators. I do pay council tax as well as rent, incurance, paye tax, bills . Don't have my GP , my dentist treatment is private . I do respect people opinion about foreign nationals, but we are not all the same. Don't judge a book by it's cover...
Not only are Slough schools suffering because of the influx of immigrants but so are schools in neighbouring towns as the overflow applies for places in them. Local families struggle to find school places for their children.
it is racialist to talk about imigrants,no one will listen any way,every one knows what is happening but they pretend every thing is normal,and if we ignor it then it will go away the fact of the matter is we are spineless, sinbad
we were all betrayed over europe ....no referendum...........betrayed with immigration..........betrayed with law and order lies.....betrayed with bin spies............betrayed by the bankers and betrayed by the theiving polititions.......plus let down on education and alcohol abuse.......and drug abuse.............did.... they do anything right......they put us right down the pan..........the worst load of rubbish weve ever had in parliament.............please just go.........roll on the election......the recession will be back......it wont be a double dip either it will be a quadruple dip........anything is better than putting up with this load of lying scoundrels
Never! I find that just so hard to believe! Not to worry, won't be many native Brits to clutter things up soon!
You packing that bag yet, Gordon??? You and Bliar really stuffed up on all fronts.
Lets put an end to it, import 1 million Chinese who will be happy to work for £10 a day and we can all retire.
hmmmm. More soft Fascism from the good British public. Anyone who claims the BNP are not racist have clearly not bothered doing any research at all, or are pathetically in denial. There is a You Tube clip in which Mark Collett, the party's head of publicity, tells Russell Brand that we would rather his daughter stay celibate for life than date a black man. Elsewhere he refers to black woman as 'ugly' and basically likens immigrants to excrement. He is also on record as inferring that the Jews deserved the holocaust. This coupled with Nick Griffins holocaust denial and members of their ranks being ex- convicts really doesn't make a pretty picture. Also this documentary shows Collett's arguments getting trounced by a heroin addled comedian. Do people really want a thicko Nazi party running the UK? Wake up.
When will the words FULL UP be applied to this country?When will pepole realise we need to STOP all immigration and expel some of those here under false pretences, or the scroungers who travel thousands of miles to come to SOFT TOUCH BRITAIN. This is why I support the British National Party and after last Sunday many Black and Ethnics will too as they are being made to feel second class as well.
The English are amongst the most land-poor people on Earth, so it's strange that liberal-lefties and the like want to make us and our children poorer; rather like taking food from the Ethiopians. A couple of insidious common fallacies used to hoodwink people on migration are, a) 'they are needed to do the jobs other people don't want' ; people only don't want these jobs because they are badly paid ( offer me £100k to be a cleaner and I'll run for a mop ). Bringing in more people just drives down the wages of the poor, and b) 'they are needed for the pensions crisis' ; you cannot compensate sustainably for people living longer by creating a bulge in the young working population, it just gets worse once these people become pensioners themselves.
And then they wonder why more people are supporting the BNP they are the only party that will ban immigration
Remember folks, this was a calculated and determined effort by Labour to "make the UK more multi cultural" They're own people have said as much. Unfortunately the politicians and the wealthy don't have to compete with them for social housing, doctors, dentists, the NHS etc. They're children go to private schools, our kids go to schools where sometimes half the kids in the class can't speak English, therefore making OUR childrens educatons suffer, as if the teaching standards were'nt bad enough already! Labour have ruined this country, possibly irreversibly. The only people that will vote for them this time will be the immigrants they have invited to our shores and the work shy and the scroungers. Mind you, there are millions of them!
"'They may not be arriving as quickly, but the anecdotal evidence is that more people are still coming, and staying." Anecdotal? That sounds really accurate!
LibLabCons chickens are coming home to roost,they only endorse failed policies. We need a clean sweep in Westminster and we are going to get it. England deserves better than this shower,bring on the General Election and soon. Gordon and his Darling are Doooooooooooooooomed,as Fraiser would say.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 17/2/2010 3 Well why aren't you? Are you shy of being patriotic? You're preaching the same message we in the BNP have preached for years. Do you really, truly, believe the Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are going to change things back? Tell me what in the BNP that YOU don't agree with. Not what the BBC and Establishment media say about the BNP but what YOU actually find so wrong. Have you ever been to a BNP meeting and seen and heard the members? They speak with the same voice as you. It sounds to me that you have succumbed to the paranoid media drivel about the BNP, the sort of nonsense that Dimbleby and his mates at BBC expound! Have you ever read the BNP manifesto? Go on 'Anon' - do yourself a favour and become less like a sheeple.
Time that access to all services such as health and welfare was based on contributions to the system not residence.
No good complaining to these idiotic Marxist morons - they have an agenda.
It's no use thinking the cameroon tories will do anything about this. 1. they are a bunch of europhiles and will not dare to defy eu diktats 2. callmedave is all in favour of MORE eastern european countries joining - quite coincidentally his elite associates are getting lucrative contracts there - what do they care about overcrowded schools and hospitals - it doesn't affect them at all. As for Woolas, he is either a complete idiot or evil , I don't know which is worse
Its only this stupid government that is to blame for all this. The sooner they are out the better.
Surprise surprise!.
Brown and Co have encouraged this immigration boom in the expectation that the incomers will show their appreciation by voting Labour
I'm British. For a while, I lived and worked in another country. I learnt the language before I went there and I went home when my job ended. I didn't claim benefits. I didn't have a council house. I didn't use any free facilities, I paid my way. That's what I think people should do in a foreign country. Almost all the first-generation immigrants I meet live in either council housing or housing association housing. I can't get enough points to get to the top of the list because I don't have children. It should be first-come, first-served.
Myself and my husband are migrant workers from another EU country. We both came intending to stay only for a couple of years, but have been here for over a decade. You will all be delighted to hear that we are leaving in April, having decided that paying almost £700,000 in tax every year, is madness, especially when we are constantly faced with articles like this one implying that we're a drain on resources!! The Problem isn't immigration, it's the crazy benefits system which is abused by both migrants and natives. Planning for services like hospitals and schools has been woefully inadequate. I'm not Polish, but I bet you'll find that most Poliash migrants get jobs, pay tax and contribute to society, and in the next generation their motivated educated children will be far bigger contributors than the 'British' wasters on benefits in council flats complaining about immigrants.
Whoops! Yet another not-joined-up, not-thought-through, politically motivated, Labour policy.... and "they" are away (Blair and Cherie - often wondered about her name, French for "dear" - does that mean expensive?) earning millions, getting the best private education they can for their children, the best private health care possible, leaving us, the suckers who have been footing their bill, suffering the consequences.
I was born and grew up in London. Yes I miss it but had to get out of the place because it became a place I no longer knew and no longer liked. All the comments by people who want immigration halted and something done about it better vote for the BNP. They are the ONLY PARTY who will carry out your wishes. So it's your vote, vote for the party that will do what you want. If not the CONs, LIB-DIMs and LIEbour will let it continue and all you will ever do is moan and moan and moan about what is happening. So use your vote wisely and vote for the party that will make Great Britain GREAT again, the BNP.
Well never mind, its the price you pay for a few extra labour votes. Why get workshy labour voters off their backsides when you can kill two birds with one stone and bring more potential labour voters into the country and keep the feckless happy?
What will it take before there is a STOP to more people coming into this country, maybe a revolution,oh no l almost forgot this is spineless Britain,
Let's face it, no-one has a clue how many immigrants are here or where they are from. What's more it is not only schools and hospitals that are at breaking point but the whole infrastructure of the country. Should imagine the BNP will have a ball in the general election -all down to Labour's deliberate policy of allowing any Tom Dick or Harry to take up residence without necessarily contributing a penny.
Wakie wakie everyone, what a surprise!
I'm 38 and was born and bred here in England, however due to a bad relationship I am a single mum of one. I have spoken to my local council regarding a propery, which would only cost them £350 however i have been refused and my council would rather pay the £1000 a month my landlord charges. My son goes to a junior school whcih in the last 3 years has seen a HUGE influx of Eastern Europeon children. Having spoken to the parents of these children they are living in a COUNCIL property and claiming benefits for their Council Tax etc. My question is how can they have priority over myself that was born and raised here, I have worked and payed taxes as have my parents and Grand parents before them???
Britain's immigration boom"? Oh-no, surly not, Britain is a member state of the European Union and has been officially since December last year. This is an EU immigration boom which Brown or anyone else can do nothing about as they've handed control to Brussels. So, remember, it's not the British "government" doing this now as we no longer have a government. This is directly down to the EU!!
The great thing about "growth rate" financial or population nothing can keep up with demand and it is self fuelling when it gets too big. Eventually a maximum is hit and it starts too implode. Socially it starts too fall apart, a bit like the banks with no money the growth rate stalls the system again. Double dip anybody? Only ones that can be responsibile are the politicians for allowing the model to persist and grow.
instead of moaning about this a newspaper why dont you email the PM about it ...maybe then he will have to do something about ..if you dont they will sneak in an Amnesty and forget Woolass ..tell him where to stick his PC Liberal Lefty outlook ....let your fingers do the talking to the Minister of Immigration and Number 10 ...do it now ...
It is frightening to think that the government do not have a clue how big the population of this country really is.
"Ministers say that more than 700,000 of those who came to Britain have now left." Woolly Woolas strikes again. How on earth do they know this? There is no recording at departure points when people leave. This is all just a guesstimate and a pretty inaccuate one at that it would seem. They take us taxpayers for fools, and we let them.
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
Learn from California in the US. California had a booming economy, plus unbelievable beauty and quality of life. Then in the 1960's, immigration became the thing the liberals boosted-"sanctuary cities" forbade police from asking the legality of immigration status of anyone they arrested for crimes; welfare was extended to people without regard to their citizenship. The word went out and the scroungers showed up in droves; their political lackies, the leftists, hurled "racist bigot" and "hater" at anyone who said it was not affordable and should be stopped. Taxes to support these benefits skyrocketed. Judges ordered that schools must provide teachers fluent in spoken and written EVERYTHING for EVERY dialect of the immigrants flooding the state. ' Increasingly the immigrants demonstrated hate and contempt for all things American and demanded entitlements of all kinds. Now California is bankrupt and issuing IOU's to pay all--waiting for bailout by USA tax.
we are told immigration increases competitiveness (lowers wages and increases competition for work) and that this is to our benefit, how exactly?
Woolas, go and take a long walk off a short pier.
In 2003 Poland was hailed as the new Tiger economy. Labour then decided to poach two million of their essential workers and the result is that seven years later even after their President begged them to go home Poland has achieved or progressed very little. They have failed to build their own country and thanks to the connivance of labour and the Millibands the international dependency culture has been entrenched for at least another decade. And I wonder what Ed Millipede thinks about the 'carbon footprints' of half a dozen new airlines which were specifically set up to shuttle Eastern europeans back and forward across the continent. What a pair of schizoid labour prats.
Now the authorities are complaining about what the people have been telling all the time and they just did not listen to the commonsense that was given to them. "Well" Now you have left this to late.The degenerating of the infrastructure and the communities started when the authorities ignored reason. So!,what is your next plan..Tax the law biding as usual to the point where one cannot afford to buy even the basics to feed the imported free loaders. BRING BACK COMMONSENSE
Nothings going to change with any of the main parties, might as well get used to that idea. Only way out is to vote for BNP the party of the future, they have the guts to do what needs to be done, either that or the situation is going to deteriorate
No you're joking-i'm just a van driver and even I worked this out by just driving round and seeing everyday life-but of course politicians won't do that,will they-they're too busy with their snouts in the trough.
Nowadays it seems that Government has one objective for everything. Deception. On any subject they only do Deception.
Why does the government spokesman on this kind of story always come out with the same statement about how migrants are benefitting the economy? Is the record stuck? If someone stopped massageing the figures then we might actually believe them. If we did not see jobs now being done by Poles and Latvians etc, then we might actually look at the benefits, If there was not a series of story's about benefits claims & money going out of our system for children in eastern europe etc we might actually look again. What we do see is an unemployment line that is growing like crazy. what we see are people afraid to lose jobs and taking pay cuts and changes in conditions that will only benefit employers and all this time we see civil servents claiming medals that should be going to the troops, civil servents claiming bonuses for NOT supplying arms and ammunition and equipment needed by the troops, M.P.'s claiming for plasma tellys and roofs on second homes out of our money. Its time for honesty.
It would seem everything the BNP have been saying is true.
"....Poles who moved to Britain fly their children home for medical and dental treatment becouse they do not trust the NHS..." that is what Daily Mail wrote some times ago ,so what is the true?
Repatriation.
Quote: 'We have listened to the British people and have made huge changes to the immigration system...." So are you too thick to understand what the words STOP ALL FURTHER IMMIGRATION NOW mean then?
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester what a typical liebore type of solution.. This commentator is missing the essential truth that liebore won't address.. namely..Nobody asked us if we wanted to be overrun by migrants..so go ask the 'lovely quiet villages' if they want the same....
Just wait until Turkey becomes an EU member.
You did vote Labour,what did you expect,a well run country by a bunch of Marxists?
This weak spineless goverment whith no backbone to frightened say anything,thers no chance they will do anything,not long now street party's happy days, im wishing my life away,please please please,election come soon
The sensitive 70 million will be hit by 2029 !! The population is well over 70 million now, 29 top immigration officials are being well paid to keep their mouths shut. The population of the uk was 56.5 million way back in 1956 according to a map of the uk displayed on most classrooms in the country at that time, the government rely very heavilly on peoples short memories.
All water under the bridge, the sad part is that it was utterly predictable and the disaster now being experienced is down quite simply to successive Governments not having the guts to do what was needed one one hand or the foresight to prepare for it on the other.
All those complaining about immigrants, are You really that stupid? If You would think, You would notice that the problem is lying somewhere else. If all the contributions made by immigrants thru tax, insurance and so one would go directly to councils to those services, there would be NO strains. But the money goes centrally to the government which in turn gives just a part, just a percent of it back to councils in grants! Did You really think that only those born and bread in here are covering the government expenses?
Phil Woolas : " We have listened to the British people etc. etc. " Have you ever heard such utter garbage in all your life???? Everyone knows what is happening and why, and for this minister to make a statement like this is incredulous. He insults my intelligence.
I asked a friend five years ago about this subject,he repied when the West Indians move out because the Eastern Europeans move in,you have a Problem
Hopefully, immigration will be high up on the election agendas - it should be. I will vote for any party that has a sensible approach to immigration.
This is old news surely, most people have been aware of what has been happening over the last few years, but as usual its the old story of closing the ' flood gates' to late, our schools, hospitals, etc are now over overrun by people who haven't paid a penny into the tax systems etc, we are a nation of fools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uncontrolled immigration has been an unstated major objective of this Government since it came to power a decade ago. They cannot now be surprised that their policies are causing the destruction of our infrastructure. All ordinary people knew this would happen. It really is too late now to fix the problem. Do you honestly imagine that any government can deport these people or that they plan to leave voluntarily? Even the BNP don't claim they could manage it. So the problem of millions of outstretched palms will not go away. More will continue to crowd in with THEIR palms outstretched too. It will not stop until or unless benefits are stopped. Do you imagine any Governmen t is going to do that and get elected? It WILL happen, but only when the economy collapses. The honest truth is that we are past the tipping point. Britain plc is doomed. I suggest you find a better country now, before they stop accepting refugees from Britain. Good luck
This has been as plain as daylight to the rest of us but when we spoke about it we were all called racists and incapable of being objective.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point" Translation - Nulab have screwed Britain with their multicultural society NO ONE wanted!!!
Why are this now being taken seriously? We knew this was happening 25 years ago, but then if you talked about it, you were considered a racist.
During a TV programe screened by Polish TV recently a professor from Warsaw University challenged the British Governments figures of 700,000 Poles returning home alleging the figure was closer to 70,000 as indicated by Polish government benefits and taxation systems.Who to believe? Possibly best not Mr Brown's story writers.
It is really sad that the vast majority of people here seem to think they know it all and as usual put all blame on foreigners for their troubles in life. first of all let me tell you i'm Portuguese and we have well over 100,000 Brits permanentely living in Portugal and enjoying the same benefits as any other Portuguese Citizen and yes that will include any benefits the same Portuguese Citizen would be allowed. according to estatistics there are about 450,000 Portuguese in the UK but please keep in mind Portugal is about 5 times smaller than the U.K and as you can see we probably would have a bigger problem with you than you with us. Furthermore when i do go to the dentist i usualy pay for it this is despite paying taxes which rightly allow me to use the NHS so i guess i'm paying for some Brits to get their treatment for free then uh , it does not bother me for as long i know that if i do need to use the service it will be there for me too.
We should only provided what they would give to you if YOU where doing the same in the country they come from. I bet a lot would think twice about working in the UK.
It has NOTHING to do with EU! It was a decision of British government to let the Poles in.The Germany still prohibits employment of Poles Now Britain has opened doors for Romanians and Bulgarians.Now,these nations are REALLY poor and underdeveloped. Limit the migration,do something but stop complaining
Well...the General Election is on the horizon and I happen to think that uncontrolled immigration is killing this country. Sorting out immigration will be the number 1 issue on my agenda when testing prospective candidates for my vote....there is no point in asking candidates their views on public services etc., when uncontrolled immigration is swamping them. So...any party that can convince me they are determined to stem uncontrolled immigration.....they've got my vote.
My advice, sell Sterling and the Euro and buy the Yen or Gold. We are in for a Bankrupt Britain as we just can't cope with this sustained mass immigration.
get us out of the e.u. i thought david cameron would be good for the u.k.but we need some one with back bone who will stand up for the british people and i'm afraid he won't do that its time to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough as the brits patience is just about at an end.
I am an Asian immigrant who pays the higher end of the tax scale like most of us from Asia do as we come here for jobs( because of shortages here particularly in the healthcare sector) and pay our taxes.A vast majority of us speak English and I daresay write and spell better than people born and brought up here. A majority of us are not entitled to and therefore do not claim any benefits. I do understand everyone's concerns( and no it is not racist to think of what immigration has done here) but please understand that migrants from Asia do not eat into your taxes only contribute to it. To label all of us in the same bracket is unfair to put it mildly and smacks of ignorance. The checks we go through would be deemed unbelievable by all here compared to what the EU migrants do and to be treated as a thug when one has an honest job here and contributes to the community is something none of you will ever understand.
Our system should be the same in whole as to the USA, Canada and other's alike, I want to leave this rat hole but I have to go through a points system not only that I have to make sure I have money to live for a minimum of 6 months, and a JOB. I drive for a living and visit many places I was delivering steel to a construction site never been there before, seen a worker thought I'd ask him were was the site foreman, after 5 mins of trying to find someone who could understand English I just sat there and waited for them to come to me and it's like that about 95% of the time, Us Brit's are the odd one's out we no longer belong here, I can't even wear a Cross around my neck I'll affend someone but they wear what's right for their religion. SAD Britain no Great Britain.
Surely, these political parties have woken up to the fact that the British public have had enough? We want a party who is willing to close the doors to immigrants wanting to take advantage of our system, only allowing in those that are absolutely necessary to provide the skills we do not already possess. Those that respect our culture and are willing to integrate into our society. We also need a government that is willing to sort out our benefits system. We have enough of our own scroungers who are happy to sit on their backsides, pumping out babies expecting everything to be handed to them on a plate. Although the BNP's policies of stopping immigration and making Britain British are appealing, it's their sinister policies that they do not wish to make public that are the worrying ones. They are a racist party - the fact they have been forced to admit non-whites into their party does not stop their racist intentions.
"Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year." You're supporting UKIP at the next election, are you? Because those are EXACTLY their policies. Check out their website.
Maybe if you get a few more outsiders into England it'll knock some sense into you and strangle this BNP revival at birth.
It's not only the schools and hospitals that are at breaking point, the whole country is at breaking point. These idiotic stupid and brainless politicians have no idea of what this country are having to put up with, all because they have never listened to the very people who unfortunately put them in power.
If we were not in the EU we could please ourseves, but our New Labour Government has no say in who comes in and it is we Tax Payers who suffer.
er wait a bit. Stop Polish coming in, withdraw benefits.. Ilegal. They are members of the EU and have as much right of movement within it as you do.
Why dont some of you have a quick browse of the bnp website i got my eyes opened wide and it was not just about the imigration have a look you have nothing to loose,
In France jobs go to the French and rightly so. Very few are on offer to anyone else. If you can't speak French you take your own interpreter. Tough.
Phil Woolas says we have listened to the British people ,this gutless shower of a government are only talking about immigration because they are scared of losing the next election,and with it their cosy little nest eggs and fiddles. The sooner we get a government in this country that puts the people of this country first the better , and i dont mean the tories or the wishy washy libs.
Well folks will all the countries lining up to join EU we will have more. Why? our benefit system and the fact that we are an easy touch. Possibly we ought to start by saying no benefit to our own scoungers then they might work. Apart from that close the doors to anyone who cannot speak English ,that takes a job which one of our scroungers can do,that can not support themselves for at least one year and no free rent or cash benefits until they have worked and paid into the system for 4 years. Children cannot go to school until they can speak and read English the cost of this to be met by the parents or the imigrant community.Anyone have the guts? NO NO NO why so-called Human rights, Refugee charities and doggoders.Worst offender the EU
BNP folks that is all we have now to save this deteriorating country of ours. This government and all opposition knew this would happen, plus the local authorities who condemned the BNP, as being racist, well the truth is out now thay have all fallen into their own deception, caught red handed. Now it is time for them to fall onto their own swords for being found out, you are all on your way, it is clean up time.
Paranoid panic-spreading! The net movement is still out!
... the only political party with tough immigration policies for halting mass-immigration into Britain, is the BNP ... and anyone complaining against that mass-immigration but refuses voting for the BNP, has no grounds for complaining, and deserves being swamped by immigrants, and deserves loosing their job to immigrants ...
I've worked in a school. The majority of new pupils are either from the EU, from outside the EU given leave to be here, or have originated from outside the EU, obtained an EU passport from another country and then are free to come here as EU citizens. The majority of these do not speak English, they also claim free school meals, have council housing, etc, etc. They are a huge strain on school resources and every other public service.
Anecdotal evidence. I live near the A2 (Old Kent Rd) in London and have been observing the East European buses bring in the migrants on it for the last decade. It's true that they (the buses) aren't as full to the brim as they were a couple of years ago heading towards the centre, but they're still virtually empty when heading back down to Dover. And pretty much every non-English tongue I hear in Tesco is still Slavic. That said, I've known plenty of Polish and Russian (with a few Hungarians and Czechs) during my time working in the courier and building industries, and most are pretty good, honest sorts who are actually here to work. Whether the money ends up staying in this British economy though, I don't know.
I am in favour of the EU, but the financing goes all astray when only the big and wealthier countries need to do their bit and not give much responsibility to the poorer ones (mainly Eastern EU). I heard many stories of how people come to the UK to work and then send their money back to Poland to build a nice house there. Cool for them. I think workers are welcome as long as they and their families cannot so easily abuse the system (get a council flat, live on benefits whilst hiding real income, etc.).
Lets stop messing about. Lets get these people out of this country ....now.
It's interesting how they don't mention the immigration from outside of the EU. A far worse problem for sure. Of course this is due to the Labour party who were long ago taken over by the liberal elite. By the way the Tories are no different. Exactly the same type of people waiting in the wings to continue the mess. Don't bother voting for minor political parties either because it is fundamentally impossible for any minor political party in Britain to win elections - EVER. At the next general election as usual the vast majority of votes will go to the three main parties because the British people don't and never will vote in large enough numbers for minor parties. We need a populist political movement like the Tea Party Movement that is making big waves in the US. It is the only way to take back our nation. Once the political movement has done it's job and united everyone behind a common cause to create political change, then you launch a viable new political party.
Truth wil out!
Bring in a national census now, where you have to appear in person, with your family, with documentation proving your name, address, National Insurance number. Authorities issue photo ID card. Failure to register-lose right to benefits, NHS, housing and RIGHT TO LIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know this will inconvenience people, but if we want our country back, we have to do it.
I worked in the NHS and acted as Data Manager for all patients registered with GP practices in our county. I knew better than anyone the number of immigrants in our county, much more so than the official ONS (Office of National Statistics) which based the overall country's population on Census Returns and project those figures to declare current population numbers. I always told the 'official' great and good that immigrant, legal or otherwise, would register with the NHS before, if ever, filling in a Census Return. Nobody wanted to know, maybe it was easier to manipulate finances to where the Government wanted the bribes......
it's liebours policy to flood this little island with foreigners,free housing free benefits free nhs free free free free,but it's us british taxpayers footing the bill,then our useless governments give billions of our hard earned taxses away to help other country's charity begins at home,our nation is at breaking point and if nothing is done soon,the bnp will fill the houses of parliment with bnp mp's we the fed up taxpayer will be voting them in.
Friend of mine lives in a town near the Welsh border. He wasn't exaggerating when he said half the class his 8 year old is in is made up of East Europeans. The town, a small one, now boasts three East European corner food shops. The changing face of Britain, courtesy of Blair's multiculturalism. Only thing is, the kids mix, the parents wont. Main reason he says is because the parents can't speak much English!
"I have no problems with people coming over here to live" Well you should have! There are 350 million people in the EU and every single one has the RIGHT to come and live here and receive benefits. 1.5 million Poles came here and they are now using our hospitals, maternity wards, schools, GPs, council houses and JOBS! They are never going back to Poland. And if the Euro collapses there could be MILLIONS more heading this way. And that is just from within the EU - there are millions more here from OUTSIDE the EU. they get in as students, as asylum seekers or as illegals. This is not an accident. Labour intends to destroy the last shred of British culture in its march for Global Revolution (global capitalism).
Come round my way, I am a stranger in my own city, nobody speaks English, nor has to, the indiginous language is everyone elses bar mine. And as far as the town hall manderins are concerned, have they only just woken up to this fact, which everyone else has been saying for years? I suggest they get out more.
Only schools and hospitals what about more social workers- more crime-more tax payers money on legal aid-more welfare-more foster parents the list goes on and on and will continue to do so even under useless Cameron.We need a revolution or a dictator until we see sense.
Simple - raise taxes. It's only logical once you have decided to admit more people. Another 5p on income tax should easily cover the longer term implications of expanding capacity of our infrastructure. Who could complain?
Yes johnny, it does matter. The resources for schools and healthcare are not unlimited. The unplanned and seemingly uinlimited use by 3rd-world immigrants of these resources means that our old and vulnerable are denied the health treatment they need and that children attending inner-city schools sugffer even more as teachers are fored to deal with multituders of children who do not speak English. Our taxes and debts are thus higher than they need to be and our quality of life moves down another rung. You may not care but many of us do and would be happy to see the end of immigration and incentives for those here to return to their countries of origin.
Oh for gods sake................you only have to go to any hospital Be it a&e or admissions to add up the foreigners using The system...................... Only an idiot would say they couldn't see this happening............ Ask the receptionists of any doctors surgery or hospital appointment..................you will get a true answer..................
Oh no, foreign people! Watch DM readers everywhere squirm and grasp their mortgage documents in fright! They're not white! They speak other languages! They caused the recession! Whatever. Grow up. The country is multicultural. It works. I live in London and nigh on every immigrant I've encountered is in work and speaks competent working English. Which is more than I can say for most of the commenters on this board, who are stupid enough and ignorant enough to suggest voting BNP. You want to vote BNP? You want to vote for ENFORCED REPATRIATION? Disgusting. Maybe Britain is indeed, as this paper harps on everyday, 'broken' if there are people here who honestly think the BNP are a solution to anything. Absolutely foul.
Now. There's a surprise.
I wonder why NuLabour wants to destroy this country....what is really in it for them....
I know several Poles that have moved over here, very nice people. Maybe we should get more in and swap them for all the moaning Mail readers and the country would be a happier place.
Same as Labour's policies on the invasion of Iraq and the management of our economy - totally reckless and with zero planning for the future.
Gordon Brown, the idiot Phil Woolas and at least five or six cabinet members are surely guilty of Treason, specifically on this issue.
I don't understand any of this, after all Teflon Tony and The one eyed pension thief have been telling us for years that immigration is a good thing, and that the benefit to the country is immense. Not to mention that it is not happening on the scale that gets reported, and that they all go home in the end. Ohh wait hang on, it looks like they pulled the wool over my eyes for a moment there.
This was all so forseeable. We're a tiny rock and can't take any more. The "main parties" have totally let us down. I'll vote BNP in the election, not that I particularly agree with what they say but out of total desparation.
As so many others have pointed out on here, the only logical resolution to this issue is to vote in the BNP. However, this action would NOT necessarily reduce the immigration volumes but it would make those REPONSIBLE for the TREACHERY pay for their crimes.
if you combine government figures that are totally untrue with the extra demand on services along with the government only providing financial help that fits in with their official figures - the end result is we all get a much worse service and nobody really benefits.
Why can't we do as the Australians did in the 1960s? Friends of ours wanted to emigrate there but had to sell their homes here to enable them to buy a house in Melbourne, the husband had to be a skilled tradesman and a job lined up and they had to pass a full medical to prove amongst other things that they did not have TB. They did not go there expecting housing to be provided such as the ones in mansions in London or expect to get loads of other benefits which theyhad not contributed to. Time for us to pull the plug on all these freebies which we are paying for through our ever increasing taxes.
Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said that Eastern Europeans are going home. A bubble head who knows nothing and makes up every word that comes from his mouth.
Why yes Steven, let's look outside of Europe. What exactly does NI cover because I pay a lot of it monthly. I thought it was for NHS but as an American in the UK I cannot collect any public funds or use the NHS. My child as well whose father is my British born Husband. He pays a lot of NI contributions as well as thousand of pounds in visa fees for the privledge of having his wife live with him.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Why aren't you in favour of the BNP? The 4 points you have made hit the nail straight on the head. However, only a BNP government would actually bring them into play. The three mainstream parties wouldn't even implement one of those points. Therefore if you really do feel strongly that your 4 points should be implemented then why won't you support the party who will implement them?
wow you BRITS are rather rash towards immigrant, not all immigrants are after your so called freebies,some have put in so much and have not taken anything out at all, I came in as an al levels student and i now hold a phd having paid international fees all thru... nothing short of a hundred thousand pounds altogether, with all these nastiness towards immigrants time to emmigrate out, unfortunately I cant take my money out with me.........Britain is not paradise you know .............................
You just know we are over populated by going to the supermarket, if they didn't open Sundays and late evening, it would be a stampede, the Government could stop Immigration from outside the EU but they wont!!
Why not put a COMPLETE halt on the whole immigration issue, for at least 20 years!!! It's totally outrageous to allow several million foreigners (UNINVITED) to flood this small, heavily over-crowded island. If they have the means to get here, then surely the authorities have the same means to stop them. Stop them at source! I'm sure it could be done. A worldwide effort is required. But big business will take anyone's money - that's the problem!!! AKA Cheap Flights??? Oh yes, not to mention the "bent" Labour Party, and the "Bent Broadcasting Corporation" which condones it.
Theses immigrants only want a better life. I'm sure if you lived in Poland, you would want to move to a wondeful country like Britain
We are used to Mr Woolas spouting stuff........ Not for much longer though....... Simples.
The UK is part of the European union and the free movement of it's citizens are permitted throughout. We have the same problem in California whose warm dry climate serve as a magnet for the rest of the country's welfare recipients.
Labour shot themselves in the foot by not restricting immigrants from Eastern Europe. Germany and France decided to limit new arrivals, we did not. Logically the Poles would then choose to come here, since after the Germans and French, we are the next strongest country in terms of economy. We should have followed their lead by restricting new arrivals and by not doing so have we have placed an enormous strain on public services, which will simply grow as these migrants have families. We take in tens of thousands of immigrants a year which is far too many. We need to reduce this number to just a few thousand and then only should take in those immigrants we need, not just any immigrant who only come here because they can (thanks to the EU!). Immigration should be a key issue for the next general election but again the main parties say almost nothing about it! Unbelievable.
Are we meant to be surprised? There are not enough jobs to go round, the NHS is stretched to breaking point and schools cannot cope, yet more and more immigrants pour in. Roll on General Election!
Anon UK, had better vote BNP if he is wishing for "a little common sense put into practice". He won't get that anytime soon from the out of touch big 3!
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract attention from this by trying to put blame on the Conservatives. How can the Torioes disperse immigrants whilst not in government? It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth.
Ahhh just throw out all the dole scum chavs and nazi's out of our beloved country and we'll have plenty of room for hard working eastern Europeans.
Not only schools and hospitals but our whole economy is at breaking point. We are filled with people who simply are unable to support themselves and never will. A country is no different to a company it is only has good has the people in it.
ALL the parties in Westminster are to blame as none of them has the guts to face up to the cultural destruction of what was once a green and pleasant land! I am SICK of feeling like a foreigner in my own City! The party that listens to ordinary people like me will get my vote! Sadly it appears I will have to vote for the one that leaves a sour taste in the mouth but it's the only way!
In the space of 6 years my local town centre has changed beyond belief, often the only tongues you hear are Eastern Europeans!
Oh surprise, surprise - penny dropping is it? We are being swamped and the government (notice the small 'g') is refusing to believe this. I am NOT a racist, I do not care about the colour of people's skin or where they come from but I do care about being made to feel a 2nd class citizen in my own country.
If this is all true then why has the media been villifying the BNP for saying this exact thing for years. Oh I forgot the BNP are nuckle draggers , seems to me they have mor sense than a liblieconukip voter.
It's the new Liebour Utopia, welcome to third world Britannia. We will go the way of the original Australians, unwanted in our own land!
What are you t elling us for, we already know this and have been screaming about it for years. Councils, you know what to do, lobby your MP and Central Goverment and get them to sort it out. Do Councils have a charter they can use for Central Government....or would that too be a waste of time and money!!
I can understand this if they just claimed benefits,but all of the poles at least work hard,try calling for a british plumber,you will have to wait three days until they turn up,and then they charge you a fortune, To most poles this is the land of milk and honey, and i for one don`t have a problem with it.They work hard,don`t rip you off,are polite and most importantly try to become British. If you are going to blame anyone,then blame this bloody government, but don`t think it`s going to get better under the torys, because it won`t.
Those of us who became foreigners in our own home towns new this was happening: we knew about this 10 years ago.....so why are they bleating on about it now...it's TOO LATE. Until the BNP are voted in of course!
“Workers from those countries have benefited the UK economy filling skills and labour supply gaps in sectors such as health and care, hospitality and agriculture” No they haven’t, they’ve displaced the indigenous populace and are one of the key reasons for 2.5 million Brits out of work on the dole and with no chance of employment because of all the foreigners taking the jobs. As everyone knows, the figures cited by the government are all bogus as they have failed to keep count, as they have been forced to admit on numerous occasions. Total fraud and massive failure by government.
The problems we have are all caused by Tony Blair rushing to sign up to this mass immigration from Eastern Europe, I think his ploy was to swamp the country with cheap labour which enabled him to keep the wages of the working class low, without having to face the unions. Also he used the economic migrants to make up labour shortages caused by the many feckless people here who sit on the dole. Other countries did not join in for at least 3 years, thereby letting the UK take in the most of the Eastern European economic migrants, they must be having a real laugh at our stupidity. Meanwhile not only have the working class been priced out of jobs, they have to wait even longer for basic services because these have been swamped with migrants.
Soon your whole language will be contaminated by pollution with foreign tongues. Your pure-bred, totally English only-, ...uh...wait, that happened 1,000 years ago. Saxon or Norman? Check one. Extra points if you are a politically correct, mixed-race Saxonorman.
As Tony Bliar and co hated us all so much that he/they wanted to rub our noses in multiculturalism, and furthermore, as Labour threw open the doors to mass migration in a deliberate policy to change the social make-up of the UK, and welcomed dangeraous criminals into this country, I think it fair that all of the wealth he/they have built up is confiscated and used to overturn his disasterous and dishonest policies.
When I moved to Cyprus I had to get the permission of the Council of Ministers to buy my property there. This was only given when I could show through bank statements and other records that I could support myself and wife there. They also have a system where you have to pay into the Social Fund for at least one year before you get anything out of it. They don't seem to have any problems with illegal immigrants and free loaders there. I wonder why that is. Do you think that the UK can learn any lessons from this.
Of course that is the case. Most sane minded people understand this. Unfortunately the Socialist rabble that are intent upon re-engineering the population to vote ONLY for them every time do not give a damn. They only wish to hold on to power any way they can. And the sheeple continue to vote them in because they get a free ride. Eventually the free ride WILL end and those same sheeple will find that they too will have to pull their weight. Bring on the revolution and vote these (paraphrasing the words of a Liarbore MP) scum sucking pigs OUT.
11,000 Polish in Aberdeen. They havent gone home.
Welcome to the diversified, PC nuthouse, run by complete BUFFOONS & LAWLESS Britain, all you immigrants, this is what happens when you open the FLOODGATES, all of the above, especially diversity, DOES NOT WORK, & guess what? you are most WELCOME to it.
It's an absolute scandal and disgrace. The taxpayers of this country are being skinned right left and centre. Will the government do anything about it, I think not, they are too busy looking for new ways to line their pockets. Any new incoming government has got an impossible task because this rotten corrupt labour government has ruined this country beyond repair.
Anon, UK - you have just said EXACTLY what I was going to. I have in fact written to David Cameron saying just that.
You cannot get a quart into a pint pot. Never have been able to.
The sooner Britain has ID cards the better as long as they are not all intrusive only showing Residential status, citizenship, residential ststus etc. Only then can hundreds of thousands of illegalÂ’s in the country be weeded out and deported. Anyone found without a valid ID document should not receive any benefits, social security, health care etc. Nor should they be allowed to work or open bank accounts. Anyone employing illegalÂ’s should be sentenced to a minimum of ten years gaol and a fine of 50,000 pounds. The illegals should then immediately be deported. If they refuse to say where tey came from and how they got into the country they must be gaoled with hard labour until they do.!! (That will make the PC brigade and the liberal's teeth curl)
well theres a simple answer here. Pump more into the services give them more money, and bring more in. This will enrich the uk no end.
I really don't like the idea of the BNP in power, but right now I cannot see any other solution, as no other party will effectively deal with the problem of immigration. This is a very, very serious issue.
Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Maby I am missing the plot here, but the way I interpret the article is that it is a veiled attack on EU immigrants. None of the points you raise are applicable to them.
Australia has got it right close the door before we sink
We have the same problem here on the Costa del Sol. Loads of old ex pats from Britain cluttering up the hospitals. Also a lot of families who come over and put their kids into Spanish schools. They don't speak a word of Spanish and therefore schools have to take on extra staff to teach them. If you can't afford a private English speaking school. don't come till your kids are past school age. You shouldn't want to put your kids at such a disadvantage in the first place! Scuzzers...
Typical of yet more Labour lies, the trouble is they don't the difference between truth and spin.
This is deliberate Labout policy, they believe that most of the immigrants will vote Labour. The British public has been conned. remember this at the general election.
ive said it before and no doubt i will have to say it again "MOANING DOSENT WORK",for over 50 years thats what brits have been doing "MOAN MOAN WHINE SNIVEL",some of you still seem to think that the 3 failed old parties are listening to you or even give a monkey's about what you want, think or say,WAKE UP AND FACE FACTS,are you unhappy with the state of our little land,if so who has been in charge for the last 50 odd years?thats right the 3 failed old parties,what we need is an alternative party one who will put the british people "FIRST,LAST AND ALWAYS",get us out of the e.u,stop all immigration,bring back capital and corporal punishment,replace our 5star prison hotels with no star hard labour camps,and that party is the BNP. otherwise re-elect the 3 failed old parties and i promise you that you will have no shortage of things to moan about for the next 5 years,the 3 failed old parties are not interested in what we want for our country,ourselves or our childrens future,THEY DONT CARE!
Tony, Gordon and the rest of the cronies allowed this to happen in the hope that this country would have a permanent labour government. They did not have the intelligence to realise that traditional labour voters would desert them in there thousands. Call me Dave, beware!!!!
The easy answer to that is throw the ones that don't work, and all those on state benefits out the country, job done.
The ONLY way to stop this flood of immigrants and asylum seekers milking us dry and destroying our society is to elect a BNP Government. It's that simple.
How long are we going to let this go on? We have been lied to and lied to and lied to, anything that worthless woolas says cannot be trusted. Im going to say this, Woolas I am tired of paying for these grasping individuals who seem to always get a better quality of life than we do, I am tired of you and your endless lies about your immigration agend, and most of all I am sick and tired of the labour party, the most disastrous reign of a government this country has ever had.
SHUT THE BOARDERS!!!!
Yes reason number three why the country is bankrupt , number one being Labours economic management and number two the banks .
Get ready for a further wave of fines, penalties, threats and punishments from whichever party wins the next election. The next attack on the Englishman is the "death tax" in order to pay for this debacle. How long does anyone think it will be before one of our vile political parties makes a Law that entitles them, and their rotten-to-the-core Local Authorities to assess the requirements of a home owner and forcibly "buy" that home from someone who has worked all their lives to buy it? And you wont get any money - instead it will go towards any care that you may need ( irrespective of the fact that you have already paid for care many times over through Income Tax and National Insurance) and any surplus will go into a "social pot" that caters for the glass-backed members of our society and the hoards of immigrants who have never contributed a penny!!! Everything our "leaders" do points to this. I will burn mine to the ground first!!!!!!!!!
As a schoolboy we worked out that the population of China could stand shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight... Seems that NuLab are trying to prove it in practice... BUT Do not, as some Commentators on here, reduce yourselves to the 12 year Selective Memory Syndrome and lay ALL the blame on Labour... Remember the problem began in the 1950's and OK NuLab put the tin hat on it over the last decade. Sorry to say, no confidence that the Boy Dave will do much more than the Lib, Lab and Cons have done over the last 60+ years.
Get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and use them to seal the borders of this over-populated island! This is the best way by far to stop terrorists entering our country, and would be far cheaper than the mega-billions we're spending in the aforementioned lands. Why, oh why is Phil Woolas not in a home for the deranged?????
And this is the reason why poor Mrs Brown/Jones/zindarway ends up on their bed in a cupboard!!!!
Simple... make the native EU country pay for the translators, medical costs and housing. Review after 10 years ..
lets have a census now, then we should know who is here legally after which we should start kicking out all the illegals and to hell with human rights and the bleating overpaid lawyers who are bleeding the taxpayer dry
Whats the matter with these politicians just close the doors for gods sake.
I read somewhere that the population for England is nearer 70 million. Who says that?Well,the people who sell food. Even taking into account the amount that some people consume, food manufacturers and supermarkets are saying that they are making/selling enough food for at least 70 million people in England. You have a census due next year but I am sure that the people who have to conduct it will not get the correct figures as there are so many illegals in the UK. As for immigration from Eastern Europe I am sorry but the UK is full. The idiot who said that only 13,000 would come and settle should be sacked.
Donald Alexander Merritt, England UK 16/2/2010 15:13 I agree with every thing you have said and I propose a reduction of central funding streams for areas with high immigrant populations.The NHS had a formula called RAWP which allocated resources on a population and need basis this could be used.The political message has always been that immigrants bring wealth into the country so the fair way would be to reduce the funding to the Local Authorities and the NHS.The monies saved could be put toward reducing the national debt and looking after our armed personnel who are being sent to die in foreign lands for no good purpose. The alternative of course is to vote BNP at the next election.
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 If you or your family need medical help in the future and are told there aren't the resources will you be so relaxed when you complain and a doctor tells you to 'get over it and move on?' The NHS is not a magic porridge pot otherwise those people in desperate need of life enhancing or life extending drugs would be receiving them.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I'm appalled that anyone should be on benefits unless they are a UK citizen!! (I'm an Australian citizen by the way)
Do the same as the French do, if you want access to services, schools etc, you need to learn French. No interpreters or multi-lingual notices here!
I moved to London 12 years ago to study Design. It was full of creative, ambitious, inspiring, talented people. Now, It's a multi-cultural hell hole. It seems all the talented, aspirational people have left. I think it's too late now. Too many British passports have been handed out and we can't withdraw them now.
'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans'.... again and again. Is Poland not a part of Eastern Europe any more?? Is there any need to emphasize Poles all the time? I would recommend not wasting time on polish kids who are able to speak fluent English just after few months!
Be afraid - be very afraid. If you take the view that the country is being overwhelmed, if you are of the opinion that immigration is causing a problem then this labour government will brand you a RACIST!
Would you leave a country where you could get £100,000 in benefits without any need to work as can be seen in Richard Littlejohn’s story? We now know it was a deliberate policy to alter Britain (England?) forever. They must really hate us. Never mind, the Nanny and Cleaner Employing Classes at the BBC and Guardian are doing great.
Great Britain, Britain, no it is U-kay now! No longer 'Great'. I left in 1979 and since then I always wondered why it took me so long to leave. The Britain I knew as a Child during the '50s was but a memory! When any council, or Government allows privilege or entitlements, special treatment to a few, then the rest of U-kay gets p***ed on.
Oh, looks like they've finally woken up and smelt the coffee - what are we paying this lot for, most of us could have told them this years ago, for free!
Labour is ruining my life.
what makes it worse i am one of the jokers helping to fund their one to one to one tuition. good old labour you have bloated and ruined a once nice country,do the decent thing get together with the tories and leave these shores forever
Yet more lies on immigration from the Labour party. What do people expect? Everything Labour have said about immigration since 1997 has been untrue. However it looks as though we will have to experience a real crisis in service provision and chronic social breakdown before the penny finally drops.
Just something else to be grateful to new labour for, is suppose.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out. - sarah, london, 16/2/2010 15:56 Read the article again. Where does it say that immigrants from Eastern Europe are not paying tax or council tax? Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work.
The problem is that for every one person who enters the UK, you should add on an average 5 other family members they are allowed to bring with them, kids, parents etc etc. It is pretty obvious to me as a layperson that the more people you have in one small country, the more strain on all the services - particularly if many of those coming to the UK do not contribute any tax but are primary users of our services. Surely, this isn't rocket science? But, our policitians continue to tell us that these people don't receive benefits, that they contribute to our society in some way - this just isn't the truth. Many people do work but we also have thousands of illegal immigrants who know exactly how to play the system i.e. they know that if they do not have a passport, they cannot be deported under the 'uman rights act so guess what, they lose their passports - on purpose. They are also often arrested only to be released and told to report to authorities - guess what, they don't report in!
It's not only schools and the NHS. t's everything. The roads the housing THE MONEY. LABOUR has ruined this COUNTRY.
This was something all sensible people knew would happen years ago,, but our thick, lazy, useless MPs were too scared to do anything that might upset the immigants..... now we have to pay through taxes,,,,
We are a rich country and can afford to welcome them with open arms.Their children will go on one day to ne our doctors lawyers and MP's and do jobs most of us can only dream of doing.This makes me proud to be called British and shows us to be a tolerant nation.
This inept government just havent a clue,funny they should know how many immigrants are going home, but they havent a clue how many have come in to the country, SPIN SPIN and more SPIN,a" STAN LAUREL and OLIVER HARDY" look alike government.
They wouldn't listen, why should they listen? Blair and his cronies all on private or personal medical care. The Loonies are going to have us all as poor a church mouse very soon. Communism rules O.K
I know of a Brazilian person living in this country for 20 years, doesn't speak a word of english and is illiterate. How can this be right? I'd happily vote for a government that were willing to review all immigrants to validate their stay, they need to:- Speak & write English Adopt English culture & traditions (yes we do have them) Have a qualification or skill in an area that has a shortage in this country If their country is bad then they need to figure out how to fix it - it can no longer be our problem as we have too many issues ourselves to fix. "How can we help others when we can't help ourselves?"
You clowns all got what you voted for.
And while more and more come in, more and more of or money goes overseas in aid.( £8billion plus last year alone) The only reason Woolas alleges to have listened to the British people is the fact that the British National Party is making vast gains at Liebour expense
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
Hardly rocket science to work this one out is it?
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
The only way that the government can drive down our wage packets and the country remain competitive is to undermine the wage structure by bringing in cheap labour to compete. That is just wage slavery and exploitation, and that is why more and ore underdeveloped countries are allowed to join the EU. When Poland and Portugal have been rebuily using EU money, they will all go home and Turkey will join then we will be flooded with Turks. Who said that slavery was illegal! Only when we get out of the EU,send them home,and force the benefit spongers off the dole and into the jobs the migrants leave, will the balance be restored, you never know, the scroungers might actually retrain and educate themselves to get better jobs too instead of studying what benefits to scrounge next...I want my country back!......You know the one with justice,opportunity and fairness for all, not just those at the top with private schools and healthcare... rule Brittania
Hello!!!! As if we didn't know. How slow can these council dinosaurs be? Now, how many more years do we have to wait for them to actually act on these 'new' findings?
Have they only just realised we are being run by a bunch of clowns aaarrrrggggghhhh hate this country!!!!!
Don't be silly - they stay here and send child nenefit back home where it goes a lot further. I know several (know not know off) immigrant families who claim income support & housing benefit then send some of that money back home to parents and siblings in their origina; country. Then our government borrows money and gets us deeper in debt.
So I take it that we can acknowledge that New Labour's social engineering experiment went a tad wrong then? Where is their "plan B"? Or did they ever have a plan "A"... or an operating brain cell between them.
I know people in South Yorkshire, and in and around Doncaster they have loads of Poles. How much employment is there in Doncaster? Very little. So why are they there?
In other news, Pope confirmed as Catholic.
Zanu Labour hate Britain and British traditions and they have used uncontrolled immigration as a weapon of mass destruction.
Talking about Poles and Eastern Europeans is just a diversion. They represent only about 25% of immigrants coming to this country in the last few years. The majority come from Asia and Africa and never go home but stay. In 2001 Labour opened the floodgates to all and sundry. Immigraton tripled. Net immigration is another diversion, loads of Brits are leaving because of immigration. They want to escape the multi-cultural hell-hole created by Nu Labour for their own self serving interests.
Never mind eh, Tony & Cherie. It's all helping to make this a truly multi-cultural country and rubbing the Right's nose in it just like you wanted. I take it they'll not be the schools and hospitals that you and your buddies in champagne socialist land will be using though?
It's England's immigration boom. 9 out 10 immigrants prefer it England. England, Daily Mail try saying it. We know that Brown and Cameron can't say the word but surely you can?
**MASS IMMIGRATION** Another LIEbore ill thought out success story and Brown thinks we should RE-Elect his usless bunch of Misfits .Still there are 28% bunch of IDOITS still believe in LIEbores Lies and False Promises anybody who votes for LIEbore ever again should seek treatment ASAP .O and i dont get the cold allowance BUT i STILL pay my Taxes to Brown so he can give to everybody else.
Come back to bite you all on the bum has it, not long ago you were all accusing the BNP, of being not only alarmists but racist. You were all promoting the multicultural society of Britain. Now you are saying, we can't afford to finance this influx of immigration,oh dear, no forward thinking or planning from wizards of control now the money is running out. Well you lot started it now you had better get your heads together with,Alan and Boris, the Johnson brothers who want a population of 70 000 000, we don't hear you boys what is happening, are we crumbling under the pressure.........
Let them all in, Liebour, give them all benefits and big houses, and if you completely swamp us there'll be enough to vote you back in. Wasn't this the idea? Gerrymandering? - Surely this must be the worst case in history.
I am sure the elderly lady left in a windowless broom cupboard in a Norfolk hospital recently has a strong opinion on this subject.
they come to the uk and claim child benefit for their children immediately. I am british and have a british daughter, I have always paid uk tax and I still pay full uk tax. I am temporarily abroad and I have had to stop claiming child benefit even though I am still paying uk tax but the immigrants can claim it for their non british children.
"Three quarters of Eastern Europeans have gone home" its just government propaganda to try and pacify the tax paying public/ potential voters. This government could teach Joseph Stalin a thing a or two about propaganda, we are getting it now on a daily basis conjured up by Brown's spin doctors and distributed on their media machine the BBC
New Telephone Greeting: Wouldn't it be amazing, if this caught on, All over the country...? 'GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED KINGDOM ' 'Press '1' if you speak English.' 'Press ''2'' to disconnect until you can
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 I expect your on benefits and can't be bothered about anything Of course it matters. Our country cannot keep on having more and more people living here. what happens when there are more out of work than in work
As recently announced in the press this is all part of the Labour party plan to create client voters drawn from immigrants. Under educated and poor they will help compensenate for the loss of the traditional working class that Labour have depended upon in the past. With teachers weighed down with having to teach children who cannot speak the english language, it will result in not only the immigrants but British children as well falling into the poverty trap, which the Labour Party relies on for voters. This cynical attempt to change the nature of our country will unfortunately result in extremist reactionary groups coming to the fore and again changing the UK from a tolerant to an intolerant society.
hasnt it taken a long time to find out? just think what whizz kids we could have become if we also had one to one tuition. not racist just common sense
Perhaps its time all economic migrants were sent home, it would reduce our social support bills, free up council homes, reduce school places, etc. Labours policy has ruined the UK.
I give up! Its the fall of rome all over again, i warned my colleagues at work in 97. That liebour would mob us out with immigrants to create a global village and thats what they have done, they are trotskyite traitors!
Britain is too much of a soft touch. The Government needs to toughen up on immigation laws otherwise total control will be lost.
'Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point....' At least Gordy can't be remotely accused not being consistent! We've had him claim to have abolished the economic boom and bust: we've had the boom and now have the bust (in the form of the tax hikes and spending cuts to come to pay for that boom)! Now, after the Labour socially engineered immigration boom, we have the bust in the impact on public services and the need to fund the extra costs! Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing?
It appears that Joe Public have been forced into a silent corner and they must not even mention the word "immigration" - with Woolas spouting pure abject spin and waffle, as usual. Enough is more than enough. Did you hear that Woolas - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
Ruth Bagley is completely right. Apparently some astronomical figure like 54% of pupils in Slough primary schools don't have English as their first language. Housing in this area is at a premium. Whether the government acts "ostrich like" or not, this problem will not go away. Slough needs more money to cope.
Just another case of the government pursuing it's own hidden agenda, whilst local authorities and the electorate are ignored over their concerns about the falling quality of life in this country and the reasons why. It will only get worse as public services and funding is cut, and more and more English nationals find themselves out of work and are not paying taxes to support those services which we are constantly being denied whilst watching the queues of the undeserving poor standing with their hands out and getting paid having paid nothing into the system........Only 10 weeks left of these incompetents, just maybe, the voice of the English national will then be heard worldwide, enough is enough....
dont worry everyone im sure the resulting above inflation council tax rise will cover for all the extra people
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care !
Another consequence of Bliar's lies and deception and the bungling of unelected derisory PM Brown. Gorm Gord seriously believes anyone sane would vote for him in a few weeks time? Even diehard, honest socialists must despair of him and his gang of inepts.
When will these labour lunatics stop ALL immigration, round up and deport all illegals and then carefully control the influx?? The answer is never because they are hellbent on destroying the UK or should I say they have succeded in doing so.
This is just what the labour government wanted. Its all part of their Master plan to wreck the country.
My 13 year old son is being home educated because he can't get into any of his 3 choices of secondary school! My husband and I both work full time and pay our taxes and my Grandfather fought in the Second World War but my child can't get into school, I just do not understand what is happening to this once great country!
Where is the money coming from for the new schools, translators, homes, hospitals, etc.? the British taxpayers - of which the people in these towns form part. Who is paying the cost of sending the many children of one immigrant family to school? - not the taxes of the new arrivals. A man with 3 children at school costs £15,000 in school costs alone, not to mention capital build, national health, and use of other facilities. What about all the British people who cannot get a job and are on the dole? Who is paying for them? Do government and councils factor in these costs when they speak of the so-called financial benefits of immigration? Not to mention the social costs and loss of quality of life. It is a myth that immigration is beneficial. On a small scale it can bring small benefits. On a large scale it can only bring problems and distress.
How do Blair/Brown sleep at night. I hope and pray that those who vote in the next election will do so with the utmost care. I have been commenting in this newspaper for quite a few years and I like most saw this coming. We have to act and soon .
700 immigrants every day, No really, how did that happen; and they don't speak English, no really, how did that happen
"The figures are at odds with Home Office Minister Phil WoolasÂ’s claim that immigrants come to Britain to work and then return home, leaving a stable population." Who believes any figures produced by the government anymore!! Hands up all the misguided dupes that do!
Oh dear, more fuel for the BNP. England was built on immigration but our economy cannot stand this. Do we close our borders? Do we ask everyone who came here in the last thirty years to leave? This is a problem we have made for ouselves and no one wants to answer. Thats freedom for you.
Any sensible free thinking person living in this country, already knew this. I do not need anyone to tell me it is more difficult now to see my GP. than ever before. I do not need telling that the roads are overcrowded. It is common knowledge that schools are really stretched to cope properly. What we all need is a government that will listen and take some sort of action to reduce numbers, instead of altering the system and telling us everything is getting better.
Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year. I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice
Numerous parties, from Conservatives to Immigration Watch to the B.N.P etc have voiced concerns about this over the last few years and have been condemned as racists and bigots for using terms like overwhelmed and swamped. It looks as though they were right after all. It can only get worse.
Nice picture. The focus should be on immigration from outside Europe however. Such immigration is entirely the responsibility of the UK government.
welcome to the lefts Babel UK where nothing will work and nobody will belong. time to create a two tier society: people that cant speak English at school should be in seperate basic institutions likewise the Health Service and Social services
Come to England - speak English! We should not waste our well earned money accomodating people who should not be here in the first place. You want translators - pay for them yourself or struugle, If i visit another country I'm expected to conform and learn the language. You want housing work for it like the majority of the British public have to. Rights you have none, if you want them go home and demand them from your owngovernments
The European Union is a load of rubbish economically and immigrationally. I have no problems with people coming over here to live, but now I think it is time to start wihdrawing free health care, free schoolng, free Dhss and free housing to those who want to come over and set up camp as they offer very little to our society. It makes sense, there are thousands if not millions out there who pay their way, pay for private treatment, pay for private schooling, pay for their own homes so why can't those who make a profound decision to come over and live!
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No?
"The Government described the number of languages and dialects spoken by pupils in Reading as 'extraordinary' and conceded that it would place schools under extra pressure." For 'extraordinary' read 'oh dear, we really should have thought this through'. ALL immigration of any form whatsoever is 100% guaranteed to put extra stress on ALL resourses, that's just basic common sense.
WHAT'S NEW !!
Another benefit of the Labour's mulitcultural Britain.
What? I thought they were benefitting our economy, enlightening our lives and generally putting us natives to shame. That's why they're here isn't it?
You cant set budgets if you dont know who it will be for. This govt are criminaly inept; it is reasonable to beleive the left actauly want to destroy our system and culture so they can rebuild a twisted leftist fantasy
it was just a matter of time before the truth came out!!
Suprise Suprise!!!! Just what the rest of us could see five years ago. Still better late than never. Now how about kicking a few out or at least not alowing access to the NHS until 3 years national ins has been paid and no access to school until they can speak english. Because those two items are a massive drain on cash and resource.
Immigration has got to stop NOW!!!
What about the half a million third world immigrants that arrive every year. It far outweighs the effect Polish migrants have on society. Many come with little knowledge of English and large families. Ill say no more.
It is what most of ther country has been saying for a long time and still this govenment has taken No Notice! There are far too many immigrants in our country and they are getting priority on Housing, medical treatment, benefits & schooling all of which is a drain on resources...and is losing our British identity & way of life!
...."Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn." OBVIOUSLY. TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
Did any of the complainers read the article above this one saying about the strain the influx of immigrants have put on healthcare,schools and policing? these are the ones you should be complaining about.
A statement of the bleeding obvious. Anyone who lives in the real UK has known this for years
To say that these 'experts' are connected witheducation it's taken them a long time to figure this one out. Why do we employ these people who can manage to come with the ruddy obvious only after years of struggling and added costs. Do the authorities bury their heads in the sand until they can come up with solution that they were responsible for creating in the first place. It appears that thi situation doesn't stop with the government but is passed doen the ranks like some incurable disease. Even more despair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roll on!
OK - let me start a heated debate. The only party which has any logical answer to this is the BNP Now they are not a racist party after the recent amendments I will be voting for them. Immigration on these levels must stop NOW!
Tell us something we don't know. Another failed Labour policy. Bring on the Election
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I have just driven a round trip across the country, the traffic is horrible and I think this too can be attributed in some part to the additional influx! We are an island and we cannot cope any more. There will be a revolution if this isn't sorted out!
The right of the English to a homeland of our own has been utterly crushed by BOTH mainstream parties. Neither they nor the LidDems, of course, nor UKIP will defend our human right to pass our ancetral land on to our own children. Government in this land has no moral legitimacy.
It's treason of the highest order which demands heads should roll, but of course they won't and that's why my family will vote BNP!
Tell us something we dont know. This is only the tip of the iceberg. stop the influx of imigrants and stop it now. get rid of the ones that have no entitlement to be here. Job sorted in a nutshell.
They just would'nt listen. What now?
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out.
Not just 3 councils, all councils and services are under pressure. A friend works as a dental nurse she said that immigants arrive in a group, demand urgent treatment and do not pay anything. Whereas people who work, pay taxes etc. have to pay fortunes to get their teeth fixed or like a lot of pensioners have them rot because they cannot afford to have them treated. £800 for a filling and a crown is a lot of money out of just over £5k a year pension.
No spoken english..........no school. No sponsor or job............no entry Not contributing after six months benefits..............removed from UK. The great social experiment is over and it is a failure, now it is time to toughen up on who we allow into this country and those that stay but will not embrace our way of living are removed back to their homeland.
Really! You surprise me!!! NOT!!!
really! another victory for the clown.
Thanks Labour!
I understand the concerns of any council who have a large influx of immigrants. It is wrong though to bunch all in one group as the major problem is not immigration but more immigrants who cannot or will not fully integrate into mainstream British culture. Poles may cause problems regarding jobs etc but we know they will integrate and also that they are from within the EC anyway. This country must have the courage to say this and not to feel as if they are fascist or racist . West Indians will integrate as there are only minor culture clashes which disappear within a generation or so. We must have the freedom to start saying it as it is. At the moment we cannot and if we try our voices will not be allowed to be heard.
I love this mad world!
blame labour yet again. it was obvious from the start that with an open door policy we would be inundated with immigrants. perhaps if we stopped supplying a translation service it would help. for instance i would not think of retiring to spain unless i could speak spanish.
There is a real simple solution to both of our common problems. Seal borders, and stop benefits. It is not rocket science folks. Without benefits and jobs they will not want to come, and seal the borders for those who come illegally. Watch the budgets get better magically. Sorry, but our countries cannot simply hold the entire world populations within out borders, it is physically impossible, our infrastructures, our service agencies, etc. California has paid 630 million dollars we needed to fix our infrastructure and schools to teach English to those who come here who will not pay themselves to learn it. Sound reasonable? No, since we the taxpayers have to provide everything for everyone. There is not enough money to go around folks, stop them coming, make it unattractive to come, i.e., no jobs, no benefits, and seal the borders. Period.
Will they never learn something has to burst a small over populated country can't continue with mass immigration. But Clegg, Cameron and Brown want it to continue.
just keep voting LiblabCon. we all know this story can not be true do we not ? Get us out of the EU someone !
Perhaps Teflon Tone and his money grabbing wife can take a few of these "deserving" cases into one of their properties and care for them.
How can they be short of money for services after all immigrants are supposed to be adding to our national wealth?
Anyone with half a brain (which doesn't include our politicions) knew this would happen, a small price to pay for votes, just destroy our country. I'm just waiting for civil war to break out. There is only so much people will take before they snap.
" Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point " TELL US SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW !!
It's an absolute, thorough, complete and utter DISGRACE. This isn't telling the ordinary British born and bred man and woman, both middle and working class, anything they didn't already know and indeed have known for years now. BNP - sorry it's the only answer and I wish more people would wake up to the fact.
But this is what New Labour wanted, a new Country. And this is what the voters wanted who put New Labour there.
Obviously these town hall chiefs haven't read about all the economic benefits migrants bring to the country. They really do need to get on side or else people might start thinking that all this talk about our our culture being enriched both financially and aesthetically by immigration might just be a cartload of liberal/left horse manure. And we wouldn't want that to happen now would we?
Time to end immigration then. We've been saying it for years, but will the government, or the opposition listen? No they will not.
While the councils said they welcomed the boost to their economies provided by immigration, they have called for the Government to increase their grants to reflect their true populations. If they are a boost to their economies why should they be asking for MORE money? The truth is they are NOT a boost to their economies.
Bulgaria is to be blame
The thing that concerns me the most is the crime. People against people fighting over a scrap of food we will be back in the Victorian times before we know it only with more Europeans.
This used to be a Christian country with Christian values so I am rather more concerned about migrants from non-Christian countries than I am about East Europeans. It is not necessary that anyone should actually practise Christianity (I don't) but that we should all share a common value system. That is what makes for a healthy and free society, not the accursed lie that is "multiculturalism".
Greetings from Bulgaria ! :) I've been reading your and other sites' comments and thinking...what is this - discrimination or what: 1) Have you ever been to Bulgaria? Have you been to Sofia, to the mountains, to the sea, have you tasted the local food? 2) Put yourselves in the shoes of intelligent Bulgarians listening and reading all these "nice" comments... 3) I've studied English, English literature in high school, I've graduated from university taking at least half of courses in English. My working language is now English. God, I cannot recognize any of the English culture in your comments, excuse me! 4) Why don't you consider the option that some Bulgarian or Romanian expert might actually contribute to your welfare? Just test them farelly, put them through some SHL tests, and take the risk to hire somebody... 5) Please don't make me change my mind about English, Irish and Scottish people - I like them and I have good friends among them. Peace..!
There is a court case in Germany at the moment by a Bulgarian woman who had become pregnant and lost her job. She applied for assistance and was told that she is not entitled to welfare help and to go home to Bulgaria. The court is ruling on nothing less than the right of EU citizens across the 27-nation bloc to the same social welfare payments in Germany that the country's own nationals are entitled to.... That would mean that we would not be the only country who appears to do this. So maybe an incentive for immigrants to travel to other EU countries not just here.
The significance of the statement I am about to make regarding the E.U should be obvious to everyone I quote," Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps,each disguised as having an economic purpose but which will irreversibly lead to federation." Do you know who said that? it was a Frenchman called Jean.Monnet, who with another made that statement in 1948, which if you look at the evidence from then up to now proves quite conclusively that it would become a Federal United States of Europe.All of the powers that be new this from 1948, if we keep going along this path we will cease to be an independent sovereign nation, already large amounts of that sovereignty has been lost, almost making our own parliament redundant. One could make a case for the E.U to be anti democracy, with all power being taken to the center, , then two words spring to mind, dictatorship, fascism.
i love my Bulgarian plummer he is half the price of any British worker and he takes cash to avoid the VAT a great example of Tony Blair and labours "economic migrants".
Pass them straight over the Ireland, just like the French did at Sangatte.
Even the indians are no scare of the cold and damp,so why BG and RO should have been ? So funny
When they joined the EU on 1 January 2007, Romania and Bulgaria were told they still had progress to make in the fields of judicial reform, corruption and organised crime. From what we read, they haven't, so they should not be allowed free access to other EU counties, and particularly the UK. The way they will comply is for all these criminals to leave their countries and come here !
The 'Open Borders' policy was signed up for in 1986, swithin the European Act, so plenty of governments have had time to try and change it, but have chosen not to do so. They are all to blame.
Maybe I'm wrong, but my common sense tells me, that if people from Bulgaria or Romania REALLY wanted to come to the UK, that they would have done so when they joined EU, by taking a self-employment option. That is not such a difficult thing to do if you REALLY want to migrate. So, I'm assuming that not many of them will come now, because those who wanted to do it, already did it. However, it makes it unfair that the British are the biggest migrant group in the world and yet treat others in such disgusting way. And this thing with bullying Bulgarians and Romanians has become too ugly and I believe it should not be allowed.
If slick, lying Cameron cared about the people of this country he would stop this irresponsible madness now. The tax payers are being bled dry to pay for all this, and still he carries on sending nearly twenty billion a year to the EU FOR NOTHING IN RETURN, except that rich land owners like his relatives can carry on receiving millions each year in EU land subsidies, and Heseltine £900,000, all free and courtesy of the tax payers, not forgetting those top unelected EU 'jobs for the boys' when the pro EU politicians finish in Westminster. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, AS CAMERON CERTAINLY WONT PUT A STOP THE EU GRAVY TRAIN.
This is why people are upset about the EU.We apparently have no control of our borders.Our legal system is dictated by the European Court.Our government has to say "No" to any further immigration.We are led to believe we are in the throes of a triple-dip recession; we have health, housing and education services in chaos because they cannot meet demand, but most of all, we are an island which cannot grow into the sea.We have got to stop this.There is already the possibility of other countries joining and it is ludicrous to think that all those countries can just cross each others borders without restriction We are losing our own skilled people who are abandoning the country in despair of what the future holds for their children.We cannot fight as our politicians will not listen to us.I would be gone tomorrow with all my family if I could The government website is already saying that parents and grandparents of those authorised to work here can join them.It's a nightmare scenario.
It is incredible that our so called government have to advertise to dissuade people not to come to Britain! Since when were we asked whether we wanted to give up the right to control our own boarders? Grow a pair, leave the eu and just say no!! I won't hold my breath.
The Victorians thought global expansion was infinite.The Russians thought communism was infinite..America thought the export of the "American Dream" was infinite.Banks thought credit was infinite. Now David Cameron thinks the patience of the electorate,the toll on the NHS,social housing,increased pressure on local police in dealing with a totally underestimated invasion is infinite. Bye,Dave.You did a Gillian Taylforth,Old Son.
I can't wait until 2 days after the 2015 general election when the 3 main political parties realize they have taken a major hit in the polls. It will serve them right. They are allowing immigrants into the country for political reasons and 'blow back' can't come soon enough.
The Government should get their advertising johnnies to come up with something really outrageous, like telling them it's not safe to come here with gangs of drunken thugs roaming our towns and cities looking for trouble. Alternatively, they could just LIE.
It these people come they will be entitled to benefits. Most if they do manage to find jobs will be on minimum wage. A couple with a child with one partner working 40 hours a week on minimum wage will be entitled approximately at least £172 a week, child benefit, working and child tax credit, rent and council tax. If not working approximately £340 a week. If both working child care so the sky is the limit.
Britain has become the dustbin of the world, and we have to put up with more beggars. Disgusted - Hants
A bit of cools and rain will not deter them from the benefits that will be lavished upon them as soon as they arrive!
Coming to your town soon plus millions of Turks. Vote for Con/lib/lab for more of this folks!
England should be concerned. But not because Bulgarians or Romanians will invade the country, but because young people, like the one couple that made the news, have decided that is not worth their time to work for a minimum wage. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.." this is written on the Statue of Liberty. Those immigrants have made America great. Limiting such fresh blood, any nation is risking degradation. Sure thing that initially things might be a little bit harder, but eventually all will work for the best. Bulgaria, for one, has a better growth lately than England. Eastern Europe, one day, will become a much better place. So if you have not bought your retirement property already(and you do have the money) go ahead and invest there. It is an opportunity to reclaim some of the "losses" you might be experiencing now :)
You gotta love how the government has been telling UK citizens to holiday at home - it's great, and telling foreigners don't come here, it's rubbish. I know which message is most accurate.
Can someone please explain this situation to me? The Government are trying evade the possible influx of immigrants from Bulgaria and Rumania off coming to settle in the UK by telling them that it rains and is cold??? I can't get my head around why when they come from a country which has colder winters etc than us should deter them! I'm not into politics but shouldn't they be saying "Don't come to the UK unless you have a job" "Don't come to the UK unless you have somewhere sorted out to live", Don't come to the UK unless you can support your family", Don't come to the UK unless you have private medical insurance in place" IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!!!!
I am a Bulgarian, have been living here for more than 5 years. I first came when we joined the EU in 2007 and went to uni, graduated with a law degree and ended up working for a fast food chain as a manager. Reason being that the law firms would only hire 8% foreigners and you can imagine the competition. Am I incapable, I don't think so, but I quit complaining about it long time ago. The fact is, whatever you do in this country, no matter how you prove yourself or how well you speak the language, you would always be looked at as a foreigner, someone who doesn't t belong here. You can complain about Bulgarians and Romanians, fair enough, but what about the Polish then? They come by buses, hoping to find work through a friend of a friend. One in a hundred speaks English and that one is responsible for the other 99, who don't even bother to learn the language! - Mimi Markova, Southampton, United Kingdom-----------Mimi Mirkova, take those chips off your shoulder, will you?
- Marek Mazur , Kielce, Poland ==== I think you overlooked that Steve is a UK taxpayer, which means he's an ex-pat working in another county, not living off benefits and probably fully intends to return once the work is over. The difference between Britis
They should receive the same level of financial assistance they get in their own countries if they come here. I went to a meeting with a UK MEP last week and she stated benefits given are responsibility of each Country, NOT dictated by EU. So, No benefits or any more free housing if you've not paid into system for 5 FULL working years -selling big issue doesn't count. If interest rates rose tomorrow, triple dip recession saw more born and bred British citizens loose their homes, would all these benefits and free housing be available to them? No they've made themselves intentionally homeless. Well those that leave their own countries should be deemed to have done the same. CAn we get off these blogs and instead MARCH in protest to the house of commons - banners - No more immigration.
Seriously, when I first read the headline about Romanians being put off because of our bad weather, I literally snorted into my cornflakes and chuckled all day, at the utter stupidity of the peons who dreamed up that piece of nonsense. How much do we pay these fools? It is abundantly clear as to why we are in such a parlous state when we have idiots like this running the show.
We are under an evil ploy to destroy us. Why are we paying taxes ??? we have very little in return now. Our rulers are all part of this sinister plot and it is time the whole lot were exposed in our Media. Some of us are seeing the truth dawn and unless we stop this we are facing a truly horrible existence.
This is why we have to work till we drop we have paid in all our lives for somebody else to claim benefits without paying a penny in!!!! I should have been collecting my pension next year now I have to wait another 7 years. Vote UKIP
Benefits should not be paid until they have been here for say 5 years, then the benefits payable must be limited to what they could receive in their own country. - George C., Maidenhead, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 16:21 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should be here for 10+ years Working and paying TAX.
Tell them the polish took all the money.
What did Cameron say, ?. "The NHS Is Safe In Our Hands". Pennine Acute Hospitals Trust may cut up to 1,000 jobs Pennine Acute Trust employs about 10,000 people Trust probes redundancy blunder Hospitals 'putting lives at risk' Up to 1,000 jobs could be lost at a Greater Manchester NHS trust as it tries to save millions of pounds by April 2012. The Pennine Acute Trust runs North Manchester General, Fairfield in Bury, Rochdale Infirmary and the Royal Oldham Hospital and employs 10,000 staff. It expects to have to save £45m but said that could rise once it knows the services GPs want to commission. Chief executive John Saxby said he hoped to avoid compulsory redundancies. Mr Saxby said the trust faced an "unprecedented" financial challenge and savings could not be achieved purely by cutting waste and other expenditure.
Richard Littlejohn for Prime Minister with Honours
What is the Tory party proposing to do about it ?. Exactly the same as Labour, nothing !.
Shame the Govt doesnt send that warning of cold and dark to the energy companies tiara lincoln
What I would like to know is, WHY? they have their Human Rights to come here, and we have no Human Rights to stop them, then, why? do they have their human rights to get benefits and free health care, but the people of this country have no human right for anything, they have the right to come here, and WE cannot stop them, they can get free health care, but the pensioners who have worked all their lives paying taxes, and struggled a lifetime buying a home, but when they need care, they will have to pay £75,000 from their home, to PAY for their OWN, National Health, now that cannot be classed as national heath care, so what has happened to our HUMAN RIGHTS for our health care which we have paid for all our lives, why has everyone who comes here have those human rights but we have none. without a doubt, this is sick Britain, because our Governments have no backbone to fight for us, one of David Cameron's Promises amongst many, amending those human right, but they all bit the dust.
And soon there'll be Turkey as well! And best of all, the Great British public now likes Labour best, and wants to stay in Europe!!!!!
That's why the bedroom tax is coming to throw indiginous British out of their homes, to allow all the migrants a decent home for themself and their poor, poor families. The British are so welcoming, come one, come all and take what you will. No-one will stand up for the immorality of what Cameron and Gleggy are doing to the powerless people of this once great country.
Dave stop getting involved with foreign wars when you. Have one going on in the UK if you get your mind what is going on here at home then stay away.
They should be told the truth there's no work there's no social payments to immigrants there's no housing for nothing you can only come here if your sponsors will support you or if you have proven money and means tested to be a asset for the country with the skills needed to gain employment in areas in short supply . ........ Oh yea that's right we are stuck in Europe not Australia,Great Britain was sold a decade ago by the so called people's party to become rich and famous while bankrupting us for many years the elected mp's of the last 40 years should be held to account for this how can we live in a free world when are grandparents can't afford heating and working family's can't feed there children.
The expected influx of Bulgarians and Romanians, added to the Poles who are already here and continue to flood in, will be nothing compared to the continuing huge migration to this country from Third World countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Somalia. One thing is for sure, the only political party who will benefit from all this is UKIP!
It will just encourage them more to go for heating allownce
Eastern Europe. The last Soviet secret weapon.
Dear Brits, your plan to defame your country will certainly amuse Bulgarian fans of Monty Python, of which there are quite a few. It will, however, breed distaste for British culture among educated Bulgarians, for whom your hostility will smack of prejudice and unashamed ignorance. You might well deter some of those doctors, or scientists, or university teachers who might well contribute to your country. They might choose to live where they will be judged by merit rather than solvency, and the recent case against St Hugh's shows that a few of your fellow countrymen might do the same. Your rudeness means that you'll get what you expect - just the ones that are so desperate that are willing to tolerate you. I had good memories from Oxford - and Britain as a whole. I was planning to send my kids to study there one day, but I'm less sure now. You seem to be moving backwards. What a shame.
The only way to deter them from coming here is to reform our benefits system. France doesn't pay out as much or for so long as we do and that's why everyone wants to come here. So change it. It's not an EU requirement to have such generous payments to people from outside our country.
.....too late for any remedies now the damage is done...the floodgates are about to open :(
Given that unemployment rates in France and Spain are at record levels why have we not been flooded by millions of Spanish and French nationals coming over here to take advantage of our allegedly generous benefit system? - Petite Jean , Orlando, United States, 29/1/2013 16:04...............I don't think that the Channel Tunnel goes as far as Orlando !
Why are we obligated to take in more people anyway? Sure the standard of living in the UK may be better than in certain Eastern European countries, but we have our own economic problems that need sorting out first. People are struggling to make ends meet, Just before Christmas the DM ran a report about a woman who hadn't eaten a morsel in 4 DAYS!! Just to make sure her two young sons were fed, and she actually fainted at the nursery one of her children attends. Her case is not an isolated incident either. People who are out of work are having their benefits cut, ATOS that bogus medical company are deliberately failing disabled people who are on DLA through no fault of their own, which makes me wonder why our government are putting the needs of people from outside the UK, before the needs of UK born and bred people - is it because they don't want to come across as un PC, or is there something more sinister going on? It makes you wonder.
Predictable comments in the red-arrowed area as usual. Same old same old....
why get bothered about a few tens of thousands East Europeans? - what about the hundreds of thousands (actually millions) of non EU immigrants who are here and continue to come here?
Yet again this government is a joke - UKIP for me!
I'll do the government a favour and tell those putative Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants just what it's like to work in Britain. And believe me,IKNOW...because my son works in Britain for a little over the minimum hourly wage. His employers are capricious.Depending on sales,he can take home a hundred and fifty pounds one week...or three hundred the next.If he wants to tick over and ensure that there is at least food on the table for his tiny family (wife and toddler) then he has to work for sixty hours a week. He doesn't make enough to cover electricity bills and council tax....so we pay these for himwhen necessary.Bulgarian and Romanian would-be immigrants,be warned....you had better have some financial back-up from Granny in Bucharest or Sofia.Better stii.....stay away.You are better off where you are(and the climate IS horrible in Britain)
Anyone who thinks our weather is going to put them off just needs to Google winter weather in Romania and Bulgaria. Minus 35degrees is the record minimum. When did Britain get it as bad as that? Perhaps Richard Littlejohn can explain why Britain has to give them housing and benefits when on the continent you have to have have paid in for years before you are entitled to anything? Thats why Britain gets so many of them.
Last time I looked you couldn't buy a house in Bulgaria without registering as a private company and I recall a lot of people have lost a lot of money in the spanish property market...It's never looked very secure to me and of course much less so in recent years
I shouldn't be surprised but I'm still taken aback that this is allowed in the town I grew up in, but I've just heard today from my daughter that migrants are living rough in tents in an area that is seemingly owned by no one, near a park and college, not far away. Her partner was told by the park attendant, numerous complaints have been made as well as his, but that despite the waste products, that they are often naked, are visible to mums and children and those going to college, there is nothing the police can do, because no one owns the land. I don't expect you to print this, but if the government think they will be put off by the cold ...
- Gordon, Liverpool, 29/1/2013 10:56 ~~~ Do think that is because they will finally understand we need something to help the coffee go down?
camoron has delayed the offer of an in out vote for 5 years so that these people will arrive in their millions and outvote the brits who keep them. we will be slaves in our own country. for gods sake vote UKIP>
As far as the Bulgarians are concerned it's raining in Britain everyday, raining money. That's all they need to know. This new influx might be the straw that breaks the camels back or maybe we will have to wait until Turkey gets into the EU for that.
The Government is planning an expensive advertising campaign to dissuade Romanians and Bulgarians from moving to Britain when immigration restrictions are lifted at the end of this year. It is said to centre on the fact that the weather here is much cooler and wetter than they might expect. .................................................................................... Brilliant that'll stop 'em ,yeh right what bunch of lemons thought this one up .
"But if this dopey bird couldn¿t cope with unwanted sexual advances from her boss, how on earth would she react if she was ever captured and tortured by the Taliban?" Congratulations, Mr Littlejohn, you have found new depths to plumb.
In thirty years of working overseas, every contract I had with the exception of one, demanded a work permit, often very difficult to acquire, when the work permit expired, out you went , The employers were responsible in every way for my expenses while in the country, never once did I receive any help at all from the local authorities, on the contrary they gave a lot of hassle. So comparing British expats with immigration into the UK , is comparing chalk with cheese.
All these immigrants will have a bearing on our taxes. We already pay more for services because they cant cope with the demand. We are told travel costs will rise at peak times to cut down on passenger numbers. Even a recent art gallery decided to have a premium prime time viewing for those willing to pay for expensive tickets because of overcrowding. We will all be paying more while being pushed to the back of the queue or even pushed out of it
Benefits should not be paid until they have been here for say 5 years, then the benefits payable must be limited to what they could receive in their own country.
The government has made us the laughing stock as the UK for free- nothing will change - useless twits.
Funny how Labour's core voters are the ones that have been most hit by these policies with their heartlands decimated - and they STILL vote for them!
McBlair and McLabour really stuffed it to old England, didn't they!
Just 'CLOSE ' the gates !! we are full !
Britain to damp and wet for Bulgarians? Thats ok, they can help for that! From the NHS website - Seasonal affective disorder (SAD) can usually be successfully treated using various treatments, such as cognitive behavioural therapy, antidepressants and light therapy. Someone should tell Dave about that - maybe he can add it to the advertising campaign - Britain is cold and damp but don't worry we'll can give you special treatment to help you cope. Perhaps the makers of Lightbox's will take out an ad campaign in Bulgaria, so the Bulgarians are aware of their products!
"[...] Ministers are desperate to counter the impression that the streets of Britain are paved with gold. [...]" They're certainly not paved with gold for the people who lived and died to make Britain what it is today, that is, err, a near 3rd World state in the hands of demoncratic despots :¬D
Given that unemployment rates in France and Spain are at record levels why have we not been flooded by millions of Spanish and French nationals coming over here to take advantage of our allegedly generous benefit system?
FACT : . FACT : In this moment there is 100 thousand Romanian citizens in the UK who are officially registered as TAX payers like every other honest citizen in the country. FACT : The beggars you talk about are illiterate,have no education whatsoever and have no form of ID,thus,they cannot travel anywhere.The ones you already see on streets are victims of human trafficking which happens with or without borders...closed or open,they will still be there. FACT : Due to their Latin origins,most Romanians already migrated towards Latin countries,starting with Italy where they form the biggest minority ( 1 million) , Spain ( also a very big minority,around 500 thousand ) , France.Then a lot of qualified Romanians are wanted by the Germans ( which are doing head hunting 24/7 in Romania),and some Nordic countries. - Alexleo , Limerick FACT......................We are fed up to the back teeth of it and that is a FACT.
Nobody comes to the UK from a country which is better. The reason they fome is because the UK is better, but they bring their problems with them. Generally these problems manifest themselves as a crime wave associated with immigration, but no politician dares to either mention it or just say no to any more immigration. It must be clear by now that the cost has outweighed the benefits. John Major spoke of traditional England in warm terms and then set about trashing it. Thanks. Successive governments have also made it too expensive for me to have any more children (a responsible, married, working dad) as they are taking money from me to give to other people's kids. It is plain wrong.
Ex Communist Coutries./? Well, They'll be Right At Home n in the LibLabCOn sUK Of course with massive unemployment, ecomic collapse, and overcrowding ..and of course ist NOT Very Green Is It?
Re Veg & Fruit Picking in the past. If Brits did not fill the jobs then seasonal foreign workers did it but they WENT HOME afterwards, they were not entitled to stay and live on benefits during the winter months.
Dave boy, put 2 fingers up to the EU Law Re-Miagrants. Your protecting them regarding benefits more than people born in the UK. Also the adverse affect It's having on our Infrastructure. Housing, Hospitals, Schools, Surgeries, etc, etc. How are you going to treat these people with the number of NHS hospitals and A&E's your closing but not making Public, they are overstretched now.
I want to know why we are the only country that provides benefits, housing and healthcare without any questions to immigrants or it being reciprocated by the country these immigrants come from? Surely that is not part of the conditions that were agreed to when we joined the EU, is it?
Bobbo,there is no chance now of leaving the EU. Too late now anyway, if only they could fetch up next door to the people who want to stay in the EU. There are more to come, wait till Turkey joins. Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
The only way to curb migrants is to cut benefits to a minimum. Just enough to live on only. No money for luxuries. Housing benefit capped so that they can only rent cheap accommodation.
there is no work or housing for them they will straight on benifits we have to say unless they have anything to offer NO having worked for over 50 years my pension is less than what they will get CHILD / HOUSING/BENIFIT and to think they have never paid penny into the system makes me wonder why i bothered
If it happens. The Conservative Party will be wiped out as will Labour, and some extremist group will get enormous votes just to teach the current idiot politicians to listen to the majority.
Tony Blair is headlines in Der Spiegel saying "Leaving the EU would be very bad for Britain" this man just does not give up does he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only way we will be able to control the influx of immigrants into our country is to withdraw from the EU. Thus, we need an OUT vote when the referendum is held This should nullify our obligation to the ECHR and allow the deportation of any such person breaking our laws. No doubt legal profession will be up in arms about this, but they can move over the channel if they so wish. Let us now start the campaign for a vote to leave the EU and go back to trading globally, as we did years ago, and controlling our borders as we think fit. if we fail, so be it, if we go broke as a nation that will down to ourselves. I have no doubt that there would be no assistance from our so called ally's. Seems to me we've been alone in this position before, so no fear.
How many more Big Issue sellers do we need.........?
Like I have siad to many of my friends, just wait unti January 2014 and rolling forward and the jobs situation here will be catastrophic ,when all the Romanians and Bulgarians come to our shores and pillage our system. This coalition needs to wake up and smell the coffee as what the situation will be like here in 5 yrs time ! in a word very frightening.... with no jobs, pensions slashed again as well as the NHS will not cope and will break down bankrupted ! As my partner has told me numerous times the NHS is doomed to go to a 2 tier system like America, and she should know she is a district nurse perscriber, who I have to say is retiring next year, so we both can go to differrent shores ! Totally wrecked the UK. Good old EU sold us down the river !
It'll cost a fortune advertising, adding more financial misery for the indigenous British taxpayer, why not just close the border - end of
Shame on the anti-Daily Mail mass immigration promoting activists!
FACT : Romanian Citizens can come in the UK freely for THE LAST 5 years.They can also work as self employed WITHOUT any restrictions at all for the LAST 5 years. FACT : In this moment there is 100 thousand Romanian citizens in the UK who are officially registered as TAX payers like every other honest citizen in the country. FACT : The beggars you talk about are illiterate,have no education whatsoever and have no form of ID,thus,they cannot travel anywhere.The ones you already see on streets are victims of human trafficking which happens with or without borders...closed or open,they will still be there. FACT : Due to their Latin origins,most Romanians already migrated towards Latin countries,starting with Italy where they form the biggest minority ( 1 million) , Spain ( also a very big minority,around 500 thousand ) , France.Then a lot of qualified Romanians are wanted by the Germans ( which are doing head hunting 24/7 in Romania),and some Nordic countries.
Why is the government keeping its estimates from the people ? Can the self employed claim benefits from day 1 and others have to wait all of 3 months ?
They will simply apply for a winter heating allowance... and GET IT!
It's not cold and wet inside a UK benefits funded home.
This country is in one very sick mess, with no cure infortunately. The problems we have are not big enough without adding more to them. And the government is making it worse everyday. What world are these excuses for politicians living in?
When this lot turn up (can you blame them, human nature), and make themselves known, I can see the voters flocking to UKIP, and that will be from all three major paries, as by that time we will have had enough. If we haven't already.
Mass influx of Bulgarians and Romanians wont be the end of it, as yet more poor countries join the EU with open door entry into the UK. They lied we would only be trading with EU countries, but the EU dictators have other plans for us, and they will have EVERY PENNY OFF US to maintain expansion of their EU Empire. BILDERBERGERS, Cameron and Co will allow it to continue as it is all part of their Project for a One World Government, ruled by an unelected elite, them, and paid for by the rest of us. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO RELEASE US FROM THE EU POWER GRABBING DICTATORSHIP, BEFORE IT IS COMPLETELY TOO LATE.
I wonder what half wit came up with this stupidity it is to cold in England . I am sure the Bulgarians and the Romanians cant wait to pour in to this cold country just thinking of free houses, hospitals, schools not forgetting all those lovely benefits. So in under a year get ready for 29,000,000 of them all courtesy of the feeble lib/lab/con artists and there masters the e.u. . Vote U.K.I.P. if you want out of this lunacy.
Richard Littlejohn has no knowledge of Eastern Europe, what stupid comments! As an Englishman who has lived in Bulgaria for the last 7 years, I do feel able to correct. Minimum wage is 79p, Rubbish! The majority of the communist regime 'slum' dwellings have almost all been demolished. Sofia is a very international city. The one thing I do agree with is that the UK has criminals roaming the streets but, after all has Littlejohn not heard about the Mafia, who operate throughout Bulgaria, based in Sofia. This man call himself a journalist, must get all his information from a communist computer!
The British people can see what is going on with there beloved country - so why can't the Government? This Government - and the previous Labour Goverment - are deaf, dumb and blind. The clock is ticking and how much longer is it going to be before the British people finally stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'' and do something about it - before it is too late?
"As for our wonderful NHS, would any self-respecting Romanian mother-to-be want to give birth in the hospital where a premature baby had his dummy taped to his mouth by a nurse to stop him crying?" - Have you forgotten the Romanian orphanages? The staff at the orphanages would consider taping a dummy in as a fine example of paediatric care. - XRMP, North Wales, 29/1/2013 13:00 You've just compared Romanian orphanages to the NHS - why would the average Romanian mother give birth in an orphanage anyway?
The fact that it is colder in bulgaria and romania seems to have Slipped by the twits that are wasting more of our taxes On an unbelievable and stupid add campaign Don't you just love the experts god help us
We have to get out of the EU Empire. That must be obvious to everyone by now . Vote and support UKIP . Time is running out for England with Wales and Scotland to follow .
OH shut up, will you all stop moaning!!?!?!? If the Government would cut all the benefits and make a few changes, you lot would not care how many will come and go. Most third world citizens who rip off Britain of benefits and housing are more welcomed here than the Eastern Europeans! It's easy for British people to comment when they are welcome to go everywhere they please and migrate there with no issues.
the question i have is why when we go on holiday to europe do we need holiday insurance. we treat people when they are ill on holiday here or do we claim from eu for money if they have no insurance. i thought we were all in it together ha ha
Well at least them coming into the UK will level the balance of mixed race residence to white folks.
Time to close the doors,and tell the EU to go and whistle Dixie.
Weather has nothing to do with it. They just have to stay in council property and claim benefits. Don't need to go out at all.
DM, you have no idea what you're talking about as usual! Do your research. Most of these people are quite well off in their home countries. Yes, they are paid much less, but also everything there is much much cheaper than here. Have you ever even been to Sofia? What a biased article, shame on you for publishing such nonsense!!!!
If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will? - Phil, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 10:52 I have to agree with you. I've never met an unemployed ethnic Bulgarian or Romanian on benefits with 5+ children, yet many of the home-rised white and other Brits seem to match this description. As a taxpayer and a citizen of this country I also do not like to pay towards ANY unemployed people for more than 6 months (I believe this time is sufficient for anyone to find gainfull employment). or their offspring. But the question here is how to make the system fair towards everyone. If the UK goes out of the EU, then automatically you will not longer "enjoy" the benefits of the free-trade zone (it will lead to increased cost of both imports and exorts, duties, restrictions etc.),i hence I do not think that financially the country will be better off. The question is the social system - whoever may benefit from it.
You're right though, that does look like Neil and Glenys.
Here's a little challenge for anyone - who was the individual that actually came up with the idea of putting the Bulgarians and Romanians off with reports of our bad weather.
some of the worst living conditions I have seen were in the UK (among very good ones of course), Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 29/1/2013 11:15 ================ Marek, housing in Bulgaria is far worse than anything you may have seen in England, or in Poland. And housing in Romania is even worse than that in Bulgaria. There are so many villages with houses without inside toilets, without windows, that the worse slum in England or Poland would be seen as luxury by many Bulgarians and Romanians. Pravda.
To even think that the british people would be taken in by this sham shows the level of contempt the average politician has for the voter. Its quite amazing being able to watch the tories dig their own hole to political doom. (and im ashamed to say i actually voted for them, ukip for me next which will result in a labour government)
let them in we are the dustbin of Europe strange that they pass through 4 countries to come to the UK "i wonder why"
Britishandproud. I think you are wrong about voting in general elections. In Spain a UK citizen is only allowed to vote in local elections, so are Spain breaking EU rules on voting? and if so why can't we?
Too little too late, our politicians have thrown our country away, mainly down to the last Labour government who purposely orchestrated and encouraged Mass Immigration, soft touch on Illegal immigrants and welcoming Asylum seekers with open arms, all in the mistaken belief that they would provide a few extra votes. We are witnessing the final demise of a once Great Nation and a Proud People.
What about a choice? Simple! Move from the UK to Bulgaria! Life out here is great! - jaccaman , Abermule, 29/1/2013 12:00 ====================== With temperatures as low as -30 deg in winter? Nah, it's warmer over here!
This idea put them of by the weather, all it shows anyone is how clueless, short of any idea about the real world, outside of their dream of utopia (the EU) rather ironic when you look at the present state of Greece, the majority of our elected representatives in Parliment have, the only person who would seem to be in tune with the majority of the views held over the EU by the man/women in the street is Nigel Farage leader of UKIP
What ever happened to that green and pleasant land that was my beloved England. It has gone forever. Unless the Brits say enough is enough and do something about it. But will we? The closest hope we have is UKIP.
If this is supposed to exemplify the seriousness in which the government is treating this issue then we're in big big trouble, the simple truth is that the Bulgarians and Romanians will come and they'll come in their hundreds of thousands, why should they, as the article says, we're governed by EU law, we have to let them in and give them access to benefits the NHS and everything else. The only way to stop this is to Exit the EU, because after this wave of immigration it will next be the Turks...England as we once knew it....GOODBYE....I've had enough of it personally...I'm voting UKIP
If you don't laugh, you would cry. GREAT BRITAIN RISE UP!!
Just tell them not to come if they cannot afford to take care of themselves; no free health care, education or benefits of any kind! We should not have to fund this at the cost to our own; in fact we should have a ruling that stops all of the above going to the current immigrant population we have over here and that would get the spongers out!
Duh..... cut the benefits. If they want to enter the UK they have to prove they have enough money to support themselves and a job to go to or they can turn around and leave. It's so simple no wonder the government can't do it.
Who advises this government? They won't have to worry about the weather when they arrive, they will get a house, schools for their children and benefits to live on, unlike the poor British taxpayer who when we need anything have to wait! Someone send all these comments to David Cameron please!
AQll you need to tell them is that they will not receive:- Free Housing, they will not receive Benifits until they have been working for two years and poaid tax, they will not receive child allowances for the same reason, their governments must pay for their Medical assistance(up front). That is the only deterrant, because thats all they come here for, Government say they come to work, but 72% only work for less than three months (48% less than a month) before losing their job and going onto permanent benifits.. Britain can no longer Afford this. TAxpayers are already in the RED in their banks and own loans. IT CANNOT GO ON MUCH LONGER WITHOUT MAJOR RIOTS IN THE STREETS because some people have worked for 20/30/40 years to get their houses and paid for them only to start losing them now. THEY WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS MUCH :LONGER
Britain's benefits are known the world over ,the most simple thing to do is if they become unemployed they have to go back where they came from,simples in the words of a meerkat.
I wondered why the State Pension application forms were available in so many different languages.....now I know. The extended family is also arriving. There's nice....
Andrea , buckingahm, Algeria, 29/1/2013 11:58 You took the words out my mouth. Where there is a will it is not difficult but I think the govt is all words but no action. The UK govt can put a restriction of no benefits, no housing, no free NHS (it should be chargeable as in France) for at least 5 years, better the higher it is, after coming,working & paying taxes. You will quickly see a big difference.
Or we could just leave the EU then they won't be allowed to come at all.
Having lived in romania for 5 1/2 years, I can assure you that the weather here is positively balmy at this time of year compared to what it is like in Eastern Europe! So any Government campaign based on those lines would be a complete waste of tax payers money. Plus anything the Daily Mail is suggesting to be a better alternative to put off mass immigration is also stupid. I can assure you that for the average Romanian/Bulgaria each one of the 'facts' you have listed is far worse there than in the UK. The only way to control a mass influx is to withhold benefits and access to free services such as NHS and schools. As a foreigner in Romania, any such similar service (where any at all) was not something that would have been available to me. No housing, no benefit, no NHS that will stop it
As they say the Lunatics do run the asylum.
I am a Bulgarian, have been living here for more than 5 years. I first came when we joined the EU in 2007 and went to uni, graduated with a law degree and ended up working for a fast food chain as a manager. Reason being that the law firms would only hire 8% foreigners and you can imagine the competition. Am I incapable, I don't think so, but I quit complaining about it long time ago. The fact is, whatever you do in this country, no matter how you prove yourself or how well you speak the language, you would always be looked at as a foreigner, someone who doesn't t belong here. You can complain about Bulgarians and Romanians, fair enough, but what about the Polish then? They come by buses, hoping to find work through a friend of a friend. One in a hundred speaks English and that one is responsible for the other 99, who don't even bother to learn the language!
What your darling tory party doing to stop these people coming here and going strait on the benefits? Nothing! But Cameron can meddle with the tax laws to reward the party paymasters! And you lot blame Labour for mass migration to the UK!
If Achmed from Afghanistan & Mahmoud from Pakistan where its a lot warmer than Blightey are not put off by the UKs cold weather, how on earth does Cameron think that Alexandru from Romania & Marko from Bulgaria where frozen winters last 6 months are going to be put off from a central heated 6 bedroom tax payer funded house in London ?
nothing will put them off. they will arrive by the million
Nearly as worrying as the exodus destined to add yet more strain on Britain, is that of the thick duffers who've apparently never heard of the bitterly cold winters experienced in eastern Europe, and who now masquerade as .... 'advisers'. Who the hell are they - and who decided to employ them? The whole system's run by illiterate kids, too eager to sip Pims in the bar as opposed to fact-finding. For God's sake get rid of them, they're an embarrassment and a liability.
(but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration) - andrei77 , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 11:45 ... well, yes of course, you would want durther integration wouldn't you, in the hope of getting far more out than you put in!
If the weather is harsh here that it will scare off the Bulgarians and Romanians, can we British people have a benefit to help us cope? Only asking..... Absolutely crackpot idea from a clueless crackpot government.
Seems legit
Easy situation to resolve,get out of the EU now,close the bordersand tell Brussels to stuff all their stupid rules and regulations up their ass.
The thing is, we could probably absorb the freeloaders from Eastern Europe if we weren't extending the same hospitality to Africa and Asia. Most countries in Africa and Asia are a lot bigger than Bulgaria and Romania and there's a lot of them.
If the Government fais to stop this then they are history come 2015, regardless of any false promises of a referendum in 2017, whats the point of trying to renegotiate our relationship with the EU whilst completely ignoring what is one of the biggest issues, uncontrolled immigration with EU citizens having access to the UK welfare state and public services. Mr Cameron, either close the borders now or alternatively legislate to prevent any non British Citizens being able to claim benefits etc unless they have paid UK Tax and NI for a minimuim period, at least 3 years but ideally 5 years, that would address the problem most adequately and without the need for it to be Policed, no handouts, no free housing, schooling and healthcare = few or no immigrants. If you want freedom and prosperity vote UKIP.
...immigration is totally out of control as it is. we must stop this tide now before we are totally flooded
This government has come up with many stupid ways to waste tax payers money but this one tops them all. . It shows a complete lack of common sense and understanding of the problems that face the UK.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year. - bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40 yes the English folk beg cos they've no homes thanks to all the foriegners taking the houses and benefits and up here the foriegners beg, mostly eastern european, all day then get a taxi home, big issue sellers, accordian squeezers (name that tune)
Any Bulgarian/Romanian with half a brain will get on a the next plane over here, no one can blame them or pursuade them that their lives will not improve ten-fold in the UK. The only thing the UK can do to stop this is to make it illegal, with the EU referendum 5 years off no chance of that. So I am afraid this situation is unavoidable now. Give them all the weather/crime/healthcare warnings you want, they are not dumb, they know it is still far better than anywhere else they can move to.
What about "@@@@ off we changed our mind". The eu model doesn't work for wealthier countries - people from poor countries come and sponge off us!
UKIP UKIP and again! UKIP
The European Union is a complete disaster for Great Britain.Would America join a union with all the poor countries of South America,therefore allowing movement between countries? I think not.
Before Richard Littlejohn's article appeared I had written to my MP asking specific questions about the Goverment's plans to cope with the huge numbers of immigrants expected to arrive from these countries. He replied that as my questions were so specific hw would need to get the appropriate minister to respond. Won't hold my breath that anything remotely sensible will be forthcoming but will let Littlejohn know the 'good news' when it arrives. Took some pleasure from reminding my MP that just as we vote them in we can easily vote them out. Unfortunately, it is all too late as we handed over our country years ago. Heather East Sussex
It's a bit stupid telling Bulgarians it's a triffle cold over here when their winter temperatures often drop to - 10c and below. A few years back it went down to -26. Bulgaria has a lot more snow than we do. Most houses are of stone or single brick construction ans don't have cavity walls, double glazing or insulation. So our cold weather will be a walk in the park. While I admit their summer temperatures are a lot higher than ours, often reaching the mid to high thirties, they take a siesta because it is too hot. The government are totally wasting their ( our ) money with any advertising gimmick. On benefits alone they will increase their income by 300% and if they manage to find a job their incomes will increase by about 500%. It's a no-brainer for them to come to the UK. whatever the imbecile government tells them about our weather.
The Law of Unintended Consequences is taking place. Join the EU, open your borders, lose control of decisions making - and yes the country with the biggest benefits becomes the magnet. On the 7th May 2015 there is a General Election. Everyone knows what they have to do, and that is certainly not wait till 2017 for a Perhaps Referendum.
at the next election and because of eu voting rules, anyone living in the UK will be able to vote... as the British will be a minority, don't expect an outcome that will savour an anti-eu party!
How come our government is very good at looking out for the super rich, yet when it comes to protecting our country they act like 10yr olds. Something fishy going on.
Being stupid is bad enough, opening your mouth to confirm your stupidity makes you certifiable.
Send all prospective immigrants free copies of the DM, once they realise what a bigotted bunch of xenophobic semi-educated talent hating chavs the Brits are they'll stay away.
The only way is UKIP. Labour will do the same, the Tories are not going to stop them .Cameron begged Turkey to join. and Lib Dens well they are finished anyway. No we have to trust UKIP and have a complete change in this Country and it has been long overdue,.
Cut all benifits until 5yrs full national insurance stamp has been paid! Hay Presto, no immigration!
i think if the government dont stop these people coming they will reside over a complete collapse of the sociol structure of this country, the nhs will collapse,benefit payments will spiral out of control.local councils will brake under the presure,there is just no room for these people,and no resorces for them,something a millionair toff in london would not understand.when people see there children out of work,there hospital appointment cancelled.and crime going up,who do they blaim,who will loose the election the lib lab con,thats who.
What is it with this Government and the last to want to fill this Country with immigrants, Most of them will not speak English, they will not be working so we will have to keep them,they will not have accommodation so we will have to house them even though we have a massive housing shortage, then free health care(what ever they say this will happen) Schools etc etc . there has to be something more sinister going on, it cant just be for a few votes can it.that they will ruin this beautiful country of ours.
Well done to The Daily Mail for exposing this ridiculous situation - however, the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration will redouble their efforts to slur them.---------- Wally Toynbee , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 11:35 --------- If the DM is doing such a good job why are we hearing nothing about Cameron and Clegg taking so much time pushing for Turkey to join. Turkey the gateway to the Middle East with all the refugees they have there from the Syrian conflict. We are supporting the rebels in Syria against the elected government and Turkey is flooded with those escaping the violence. It's of massive importance and being ignored. "Left wing advocates of mass unfettered immgration " that's a joke. Left wingers with their money coming from unions are far less keen on immigration than the Tories who look to the wealthy business owners who want cheap wages for donations. We had a great deal of immigration under Labour but far less than most other countries in the EU
Start charging money (say £10000) to people from these countries who want to come and live here. This charge would entitle them to a 12 month visa and before the visa can be issued they must be sponsored by a registered company willing to give them a job. The company will guarantee that when the 12 month period is over the immigrant will either be given a permenant position or repatriated to their country of origin. If these conditions are not fulfilled the directors of the company will personally face a hefty fine and the immigrant will be immediately deported.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year.- bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40.........That is how it should be. It would be more embarrassing having more English beggars abroad than at home.
Here in Bucharest (Romania) we love to mock the British press (and by extension the Brits). In 2007 when we entered the EU reporters from a dozen media flocked at Heathrow on New Year to see the hordes of Romanian coming to invade (of course it was a below the average flight). So, as much of our scum left the city (you darlings have your own scum in your ex-colonies and beyond) and as most hardworking guys who wanted more from their lives already left for Italy an Spain, prefering their latin relatives to the snobs and hypocrites of London (also known as New Islamabad), I dont forecast any major flow of Romanians to your stagnant island (but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration) - andrei77 , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 11:45+++++++I get the impression you don't like us.
Give all immigrants the same benefits and benefit rates that they would get in their own country.SIMPLES.
If we can't get work how the hell will they?, of course they'll come over for benefits, compared to nothing what would you do?.
Why not write You will not get a house till all British people are homed, you will need medical insurance until you have worked for 5 years , no benefits until you have 5 years N. I. stamps
it's really sad to hear how you guys can judge like this.Is is not their fault!is the government's fault.In Romania the average salary is £200 / MONTH and living expenses are nearly as high as in England! I wonder how some of them can even survive. In England the government will probably offer them at least £200 / WEEK benefits to stay at home. Now wouldn't you( all those who judge the Romanians and Bulgarians ) want to come to England as well if you'd know that you can get benefits when in your own country you don't get anything. Do you think that for them is easy to leave behind their families and come to a country where they are not wanted? They come for a better life! Stop giving benefits if you don't want them here! And really people, look around, is not the Romanian and Bulgarians that stay on benefits. They come and work to send money home and feed their children. Is other nationalities that won't go to work because they know they can stay at home and get money for doing noth
They won't know it's colder and raining because they will be given free housing and pay their heating bills courtesy of the tax paying public
If I was to go to any of the other Countries in the EU would they feed me, give me free housing, give me free health care and so on, or is it just in the UK? If you are homeless and jobless here in the UK could you go to Cannes or maybe Naples and be housed, fed and have money thrown at you. Or is it only the UK that does this? Will the population of the UK ever be given a say in how the rich polititians spend our hard earned taxes like drunken sailors?
"If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will? - Phil, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 10:52

Race doesn't come into it and bigotry is only in the eyes of the easy offended. Meanwhile in the real world....."
William Hague says it's not a problem, and will bring benefits to us, so who are we to argue with that font of all knowledge? Roll on 2015, when this lot can be dumped.
Unfortunately, the Law Lords, judges and most lawyers do not read the DM. They will be actively studying how they can defend these prospective new clients. I know that immigrants in certain council areas get priority treatment over other citizens. In one council, my friend could not speak to a councillor when she gave her name. She phoned back with a typical foreign name and was put through immediately by the secretary! Says it all really. I despair.
Don't let the fact that most immigrants contribute positively to the economy get in the way of a good old bit of bigotry chaps!
I am from Bulgaria and support most of the comments below. And I also want stronger restrictions! Tons of stupid people from here and Romania went to UK and they started taking benefits, pickpocketing or just making some troubles and when someone normal, like me, travel there for some work meeting or just for the holidays, they local people think that we are all the same.
Lets have all of them (including africa) in so that when they wreck the place and move on like pests, we can rebuild since we are the village bike : shafted every which way. (Australia......hmm.... i need to value my house again methinks)
With the pound sliding down against the (weak???) Euro, perhaps this country will end up as poor as Bulgaria....
This seems to me like a paper thin screen so that the idiots in power can say they are trying something... something that they know won't make any difference at all but it's supposed to improve their image. They are in power, if they really want to, they can say no more and that's that. But they won't do that because it isn't what they want to happen.
I don't remember being asked if it was okay for millions of immigrants to enter MY country. Surely this should be the choice of the people? Not some pompous moron sitting in Brussels..
Put the same benefit restrictions,they use on the school leavers over here, no wonder old slippery is claiming the job figures are on the rise amongst the young, its because its near impossible to claim J.S.A, for the under 25s!
Regardless of what we say or do people from far off countries won't give up believing that we have plenty of room and plenty of free money for them.
Thats right - spend more of MY MONEY - tax payers money - to 'dissuade' them instead of leaving the EU so that they cant come here in the first place. this country is already completely screwed with immigration being a key reason - so lets make it worse by letting more in.
Would the ECHR have anything to say about us paying immigrants the minimum wage of their own country? Would solve a great deal!
So Broken Britain is so broken now that your only defence against being invaded by masses of any scum who comes to take and not contribute is to convince them that Britain is a wet and cold slum that isn't worth robbing? Just going to open the door and tell the zombies that you have no brains? What happened to your consent, your right to say NO? What powers does EU really have over Britain? Canada just pulled out of Kyoto because it refused to hold economic superpowers China and India up to the same emissions standards as us, not sure how I feel about that, but nothing they can legally do against us because hello, SOVEREIGNTY! This unelected body tried to stick us with $14 billion in penalties even though US and China were polluting more, but Canada just walked away....yeah it mildly sting that oh no, we have a Bad Rep now, but not as much as losing that $14 Billion they have no way to make us pay would. Sweet Sovereignty!
The more we say it's no good the more they will believe that we are hiding how good it really is. BRITAIN IS A FARCE. WE PROVIDE FOR OTHERS WHEN WE CANNOT PROVIDE FOR OUR OWN. APOLIGIST BRITAIN, SORRY WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU EVEN MORE BENEFITS.
Why can we not revoke the agreement that was signed in 2007 with these two countries? If the agreement was made by Labour can the Tories not revoke it? I believe Tony Blair did something similar with an agreement made by John Major. Just asking?
What about a choice? Simple! Move from the UK to Bulgaria! Life out here is great!
Runaway train alert.
- Marek Mazur , Kielce, Poland ==== I think you overlooked that Steve is a UK taxpayer, which means he's an ex-pat working in another county, not living off benefits and probably fully intends to return once the work is over. The difference between Britis
It is said to centre on the fact that the weather here is much cooler and wetter than they might expect......No need to plead to them not to come here. Government should forget about plans to building more housing as there is not enough land left. If they don't have relevant qualifications and experience that we need and cannot speak English they are not entitled to work here. All this weather story is nonsense.
Bad weather in the UK eh, have any of these jokers ever been to Bulgaria?. Winter temperatures are regularly between -10 and -25, so cold that when you breath in you can feel the inside of your lugs start to chill, and that can carry on between December and February, and of cause hundreds of villages and small towns snowbound for weeks on end. During July, August and part of September the temperature can be 35 to 40 celcius, believe me its too hot to breath and you cant even go outside. OH, and did i mention the monsoon rain that can wash whole villages away. Yes all in all telling them about our weather will really scare them..
I was reading the Dailymail and I noticed that they really want to keep me out ¿ by pointing to the below facts: Would they be happy with the postcode lottery system which denies life-saving drugs to cancer patients depending on where they live? No drugs for cancer here at all ¿ Do they really want to live in a country where every high street is infested with betting shops which feature casino-style slot machines more addictive than crack cocaine? Already have that here for ages now ¿ Would they feel safe on the streets when they read that dozens of dangerous criminals, including murderers, rapists and paedophiles, are simply walking out of open prisons every week and disappearing without trace? These guys don¿t even get caught, never mind getting out of prison ¿
What will put them off will only be stringent border controls, no jobs given to them, no benefits, no free health care. That's just for starters. There is no cure all the time we are in the ruddy EU as we have no power to stop them - why millions are ditching incompetent clapped out libconlab EU lovers and are turning to Farage - the next PM. Let's all vote down libconlab at the next election. Time for real radical change.
No jobs..... I don't think they are coming here looking for work.
Our Govt are dumb asses
Hah! Who told you bulgarians only goal is to come to your country? From reading the articles here i have the idea your country is in a bigger mess than Bulgaria and also you have such a high crime rate and you give asylum and protection to all kind of scum. So why would we want to come in your country where any criminal is more respected than a bulgarian or romanina coming to study or work there? I think you will soon be a place where countries witht criminals to deport will send them to :)
Or what will happen is like what happened when Poland joined, they'll come over here and work hard doing all the crap jobs that no-one else will do for not much money.
Here in Bucharest (Romania) we love to mock the British press (and by extension the Brits). In 2007 when we entered the EU reporters from a dozen media flocked at Heathrow on New Year to see the hordes of Romanian coming to invade (of course it was a below the average flight). So, as much of our scum left the city (you darlings have your own scum in your ex-colonies and beyond) and as most hardworking guys who wanted more from their lives already left for Italy an Spain, prefering their latin relatives to the snobs and hypocrites of London (also known as New Islamabad), I dont forecast any major flow of Romanians to your stagnant island (but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration)
The only thing that settles in Britain and does not claim benefits is snow.
Simple solution pass a law stating NO MORE IMMIGRANTS WE ARE FULL!
Stopping all welfare benefits and legal aid to non British citizens until they have worked for 5 years will put off foreigners coming to Britain. OR get us out of the EU before they arrive.
Well done to The Daily Mail for exposing this ridiculous situation - however, the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration will redouble their efforts to slur them.
So a teenage rapist can use his religious teaching as an excuse for grooming and raping a 13 year old, but fail to acknowledge that the deed itself goes against his religious teaching. And the judge lets him off with it. I hope someone has the guts to ask for a judicial inquiry into this travesty of justice.
Perhaps an advert saying the British dont want them, there will be no housing, benefits, jobs or health care available. then let's see how many come.
We have the most cowardly government ever in this countries history. No one ever asks the British people do we want to share OUR country? Camerons crew will give away what little we have left. Cameron and his Tory crew are finished for decades after this fiasco.
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ???? - dan , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 10:09 ... Yes, we know, and that's why we want out of the EU - we have been taken advantage of. In 2005 I worked in luton where many of them arrived at the airport and never went any further. I worked in an employment agency for drivers and every day we had big gangs of polish and others arriving to sign on for work. Many of them couldn't even speak English and couldn't understand why employers wouldn't take them.
They will come, say they are incapacitated get a free car with insurance paid and no servicing costs, they will get money for each child and a house big enough to house them all ALL FOR FREE with no council tax to pay either. If it's cold they will turn up the central heating! Adverts will only spotlight that the UK is OPEN and they will come for the money and free healthcare and benefits. Theft will be a nice little earner as we don't have Courts that punish.
When I read the article yesterday, I really couldn't work out for the life of me which is which, is the government Stupid ? naive ? clueless ? simply telling lies, and/or deluded ??? But from where I am sitting, its all of the above, this cgovernment is a joke, a BIG joke, and theres me thinking after 13 years of traitors and scums, we couldn't do any worst, but Dave and his mates proved me wrong, very, and totally wrong !!
Vanessa-M1 What rubbish you talk! Brits bring money to these countries, they do not get free housing or benefits and their healthcare is reciprocal. Neither do they 'demand' interpreters, They have to supplied and paid for by the immigrant..
It would help if immigrants were only allowed to claim benefits up to the level that they could expect to receive in their own country. Coming here wouldn`t be so attractive then.
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ????- dan , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 10:09....They will leave ROMANIA to another country called REMAIN HERE as I cannot see them make a u-turn even in their retirement.
The government plans to state that the weather here is cold is even more laughable when you consider that the winter temperature in Romania is generally much, much colder than here. It's generally fairly cold in Bulgaria too. That aside though, which brain dead idiot came up with this scheme in the first place?
Just imagine you are an average Romanian, who thinks that only the well to do have flushing toilets or glass in their windows, living in a country where people die from minor medical problems because they cannot afford basic health care. Then look at good old Blighty where everything is free and the government gives money away like it was confetti. Where would you live given a choice? - Steve UK taxpayer, Turkey not EU, Turkey--------------------Steve, you know very little about how other people live, some of the worst living conditions I have seen were in the UK (among very good ones of course), and besides what gives you right to criticise others coming to the UK when you yourself are an immigrant (yes, an immigrant, not an ex-pat as you like to call yourselves) to another country? As for the Romanians, all thieves and Gypsies who wanted to come to the UK have already done so, people who will come will be those wanting to work, if there are jobs for them
Put the same restrictions on benefits for migrants that France & Germany do
Lets just pay them THEIR national rate not ours and only allow them access to home benefits. That probably wouldn't make it worth their time.
Benefits should only be paid to people when both their parents were born in Britain - now that would save a lot of problems.
Uncontrolled Third World immigration is also a problem.
We already have hundreds of Romanians living here in Margate, many of them live in my road. Few if any work and they all know how to play the benefits system. When I contacted our local council about my concerns relating to environmental health issues (their Idea of disposing of rubbish is to throw it either in to their front gardens or the street) I was told "oh, we are trying to educate them in our ways". I despair.
Could also tell them how much you will be fined for dropping litter and what happens to you if you put the wrong things in your recycling bin. If they want to live in my area it is only fair to warn them that we can get sent parking enforcement notices without ever having parked! That's quite an achievement really, when you think about it.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. - Surfer Rosa, Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 8:45 The difference is that the Brits pay for everything wherever they go, the immigrants get it all free, then claim benefits as well, for themselves and their families worldwide..
John, London. Well said.
"Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. There is some truth in this.- Vanessa-M1, Twickenham-TW, 29/1/2013 9:56" ----------- You're on dodgy ground here Vanessa. I can only speak for France, where I live. The numbers of British here is miuscule compared with the flood of immigrants in the UK; we PAY for health care at the point of delivery, and have top-up private insurance; if we need a translator we have to pay for it - they are never provided free; and there are no "Sky football bars," or British-catering restaurants - they could not possibly survive in France. And we WORK - there are no free handouts here, if you can't support yourself you are not permiiied residence.
Why can't we have an emergency election?
No one could really believe that anyone would be put off by the weather unless of course they read all the over dramatic hype in the DM on this subject each week. It is colder in Eastern Europe in winter and hotter in summer with a very similar rainfall amount.. Saying that the minimum wage is higher in the UK is pointless. Wages have different purchasing powers in different countries and mean nothing. Rents, food and almost everything costs more here. If the government were really as worried about immigration as they pretend to be to satisfy the Tories deserting to UKIP perhaps Cameron would stop doing all he can to get Turkey to join the EU. Nick Clegg met the Turkish ministers a couple of months ago to push this . Why isn't this mentioned by the DM and Littlejohn
Most of this immigrants are gipsies .So if you demand some educational qualification ewerithig will be ok.
Never mind the weather: `WE`RE FULL, AND WE`RE GIVING YOU NOTHING` ought to work. Try your luck in Brussels.
"As for our wonderful NHS, would any self-respecting Romanian mother-to-be want to give birth in the hospital where a premature baby had his dummy taped to his mouth by a nurse to stop him crying?" - Have you forgotten the Romanian orphanages? The staff at the orphanages would consider taping a dummy in as a fine example of paediatric care.
"So what is to be done? We need to persuade them that Britain isn¿t all it¿s cracked up to be. Convince them that the idea of this country as a happy-go-lucky land of milk and honey is a myth."#### Disagree with you there, Richard. What's to be done? Shut the borders regardless. This country is at war with Afghanistan and now we're moving into Mali. It is a matter of national security that unwanted immigrants are kept out. This would never have happened during WW2 and it should not be happening now. It is up to London to decide who comes here and not Brussels. Close the gates, increase border security and ignore EU rules.
The only thing that will stop them is 'NO BENEFIT' NO FREEBIES 'NO FREE HOUSING' NO STATE HANDOUTS@ and make prison life TOUGH. Cameron is too weak and too incompetent to let this happen. Give us a strong leader PLEASE..
The ad should be when you come to Britain, you should have a job and contribute to system for five years before you can claim benefit. Otherwise anything will cost you money from NHS, education and also accommodation
Let them continue to beg in Bulgaria.
Richard Its simples, If these people arrive here Cameron and his buch of losers will be kicked out for shure at the next G. E. Yes they may be replaced by another buch of wasters the Labour Party. But dont be to shure on that either. Vote UKIP is the only way.
Not happy ? Write to your MP ! Commenting on here won't change things !
"Begging in Bulgaria....." This little bit of costly propaganda is clear indication that the folks who govern us ain't all that bright. Unfortunately whoever we elect waste and stupidity will continue in one form or another. Or could it be that an advertising company with a good line in persuasion has dubious friends in high places. ~ I reckon this government is pretty expert in shouting about cutting benefits for the lower orders. While at the same time finding ways for our amirs to waste money.
They'll be telling us how good the country is come election time, typical politicians want their cake and eat it.
To all immigrants GO HOME to where u were born. We don't want u and would like u to leave our country. u r bleeding us dry and we can't take anymore v
Forget the weather - some people would go to the ends of the earth if they knew they were going to get handouts for them and their extended family, plus free healthcare and help with housing. Even if we had a climate like Siberia they would keep on coming. There is little point in telling them Britain is rainy, they don't care about this. We have also had excuses from government ministers about the Roma prefering the climate in Spain and Italy - at least the Italians have the sense to intermittently put them on planes and chuck them out because they don't want a further drain on their economy. I left London 9 years ago because vast areas were changing through immigration, now I am starting to see it in my own town ( and we are about to get a Mosque as well despite concerns from locals in the area where it is being sited - their pleas were ignored ). Thinking about moving on again next year, this time to a smaller and quieter place.
MY ADVICE IS THAT STOP BENEFIT TOTALY , ONLY FOR OAP.
You will find that your list of negatives about the UK are trumped in every case out here in the east. Expect about a million to come and you will be closer to the real figure. Don't believe your politicians BS that they wish to stop this mass migration, they are happy to keep all you dumb working class brits in your place, that is on min wage forever. - a1 of 99 , Bratislava, Slovakia, 29/1/2013 08:53+++++++You were doing so well until you called us dumb.
on the bright side, one could open a chain of caravan dealerships and make a fortune...
This is where the Daily Mail can help. We should print millions of copies in Bulgarian and Romanian and airlift them to Sofia and Bucharest, where they should be given away free on the streets. A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will?
Anyone emigrating to Australia has to be able to support themselves for 2 years. Pensioners emigrating to be near family have to support themselves for 10 years before they can apply for an Australian pension which they may or may not get as their income will be means tested.Free health care under the Medicare system is provided but free housing certainly is not! How about the UK adopting the same policy.
HMM! LET,S SEE NOW A BIT OF RAIN VERSUS BENEFITS,HOUSE,SCHOOL, COLLEGE ,NHS,,OPTICIANS,, UMBRELLAS ALL ROUND FOLKS YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
I've decided to trademark the phrase "The Big Fat Gypsy Invasion"...in a year or two, we redneck southern gypsies are going to be the second wave...just think of the wonderful social implications: moonshine and beef jerky rather than tea and biscuits, ketchup and mustard on fish and 'freedom chips', large shiny new pickup trucks with confederate flag bumper stickers and feathers on the antennae (with the rhino-lined bed full of empty beer cans...that's how we dispose of them while driving so as not to break the law by littering), family riots on every holiday that continue for weeks until everyone forgets the original causation and continues it just for the sake of tradition, banjos everywhere you look, turnstile jumping elevated to a competitive sport, cheese grits (to which we add tons of garlic), iced tea with so much sugar that your pancreas flees in terror, and best of all, the gradual supplanting of every pronoun in the English language by the multi-functional "y'all"...beauty!
Coming soon to a council mansion near you...All the scum of the Earth from Romania/Bulgaria.
Excellent article, how much more can we take we are at a tipping point in our once great country, and cannot afford this influx of low skilled workers.
SIMPLY MAKE IT LAW THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO EMPLOY AN IMMIGRANT THEY MUST PAY AT LEAST £50 PER HOUR,,,NOBODY WILL EMPLOY THEM ,SO THEY WILL NOT COME,,,,BRITISH PEOPLE WILL COME OFF BENEFITS AS EMPLOYERS WILL HAVE TO START PAYING LIVEABLE WAGES, TAXPAYER WILL PAY LESS TAX,,,ONLY THE RICH WILL PAY MORE AS THE WORKFORCE WILL NOT BE UNDERCUT BY CHEAP FORIEGN LABOUR
This country is the honey pot of Europe free housing free benefits free everything, Thanks to the looney left who love to spend other peoples money.
A load of hot air again , Cameron must really think we are naive , and stupid to be taken in again by his lies. When will he ever learn that he MUST ASK PERMISSION from EU human rights lawyers , before he can implement these ideas,. Nothing will stop the Romanians or Bulgarians from coming here while we remain in the EU.!
If this report is true then Whitehall is even more stupid than I thought. My wlfe is a health visitor who tells me that virtually all the new mothers and single mothers she deals with are eastern europeans. When she asks of then why they have chosen to live in the UK the answer is usually the same. BENEFITS, SOCIAL HOUSING, FREE HEALTHCARE, Unless we curb these items to new immegrants then we will be over-run with a new deluge of migrants which will finally bankrupt the UK. PS I am not a racist. We need migrants who can contribute. My own wife is muslim and came to this counrty 30 years ago . She is shocked at the erosion of British Culture and Way of Life which has occured in the last 20years.
They should not be lifting restrictions they should be putting more in place it's ridiculous don't the government think this country has swelled enough time for UKIP vote I think !!!!!!
Someone heard about diference between bulgarians,romanian and gipsy people ? Most of this immigrants are gipsies and it's important.Sorry but here in Bulgaria and Romania they make the same things -steal everything and nobody can change this people.
A nice polite sign saying- Unless you are a professional with a job waiting then I'm sorry we are full. There will be no family tax credits etc given until you have worked for 3 years and no unemployment benefits for 5 years, no social housing/housing benefit and most of all no healthcare without insurance. As for Turkey joining the EU, what is wrong with our government , they must be on another planet from most of us!!! The word David Cameron needs to learn is NO!! Even my 2 year old knows it.
No immigrants should get any benefits or free NHS treatment until they have contributed to our economy for at least ten years, and committed no crimes during that period. In most countries, benefits are paid for up to 2 years, not for life like the UK. No wonder we are bankrupt.
I bet many Rumanians and Bulgarians already know more about this country and its benefits system than most Brits . Big Issue sellers classed as self employed and so entitled to hundreds of pounds a month in benefits . Yes , some of us do watch TV documentaries . And that is just one of many scams , shoplifting and mugging are like an art form to them .
If these people do not get a job and pay tax then they should not get any benefits and that should be the same for all immigrants!! We should adopt the Australian outlook, you cannot live there unless you can prove you can sustain yourself financially and you must have a career/job already in an area of industry they need!! Our country is in a mess we must be harder with this issue!!!!
A big fuss about an estimated 70,000 people from East Europe. How about the annual immigration of hundreds of thousands from Africa, Asia, Caribbean and the Middle East? - look at London - a capital city in Europe flooded with Asians and Africans to the extent that they are now a majority.
The Ultimate lunacy and why we get out NOW.
richard, will you form a political party? if you do i can guarantee you will be in no 10 downing street, as prime minister!
Well if you only thought we had a stupid foolish out of touch Government full of posh boys you know it for sure now, And these buffoons are our top Oxford Educated people, god help us!!!!.
AlexRo81, Timisoara, Romania, 29/1/2013 7:53: You sound like a sensible chap who can view the subject dispassionately and with some humour. I have no objection to Romanians, I simply don't want any more large influxes of immigrants from ANYWHERE. Parts of G.B. resemble a United Nations refugee camp and we struggle to cope with what we have. As has happened and is still happening, we get a flood of detritus in the form of criminals and scroungers and we must say no to this.
Stop them by NOT paying any benefits, not giving them a free house, free council tax and endless handouts for their kids.
We all know what we will get, a hoard of Gypsy types or rather more of them if you work in Central London begging in the street, usually holding photos of someone elses baby cut from a magazine.
Enough is enough...
How will any of them come here to work? We are constantly being told that their are no jobs for our own unemployed, and this must be true, because haven't we recently been told that if anyone on benefits refuses a job, then their benefits will cease? The vast numbers still claiming benefits must then mean that there is not a single job available for anyone in the UK. This being so, the only reason any immigrant will be coming to us is not to work, but to avail themselves of the free healthcare, free housing, and benefits not only for themselves but to send back to their supposed (but not confirmed) families back home. Time for a change. I WILL BE VOTING UKIP AT THE VERY NEXT ELECTION.
@ Surfer Rosa , Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 08:45....I see where you're coming from but the Brits did not 'ruin' parts of Spain and France, the Spanish and French have achieved that themselves because they are so insular and nationalistic to the point of bigo
Our air-headed politicians, including Cameron are a joke, and if they think this will deter these people from coming here, then they must all be insane, .!!!
As has been said on countless occasions - CHANGE the BENEFITS system, STOP the problem. The real question is, therefore - HOW do we change the benefits system that makes this island so popular with those not intending to work for their living? If our EU masters/sorry, "partners" cannot allow us to do even THAT basic change then the questions are much bigger ones ¿ Where did our democracy go? HOW do we repatriate/get it back?
Naive, ridiculous, waste of taxpayers money. Whoever dreamt up the idea that the weather would be a deterrent! Its just maths - this country is small, bust, and in London anyway, not enough homes, NHS stretched to breaking point, not enough schools or GPs and not enough jobs for those living here already. Its simple, Minister!
Standing in my sons school playgound yesterday, i noticed a new couple with a child and they were obviously not English because all people could hear was the two adults jibber jabbering in their own language - how is their child supposed to learn in an english school when this isn't his first language? Also, on the way out of the school after the kids were let in, the mother was walking along side of me and just before she got to the gate, she spat on the ground - still in the playground. A child might fall over in that. Yes i know, many people spit, but in a playground of a school ?? They are a disgusting pair and this is why we don't want them. They are dirty and have no regard for other people. They were also wearing expensive clothes, name branded stuff and had a brand new VW car. They make me sick, coming here and have everything just handed to them on plates. It has to stop.
Whoever thinks that a UK winter will put off a Romanian has obviously never been to Bucharest in January where it is usually well below zero.
.... the second group of Bulgarians are adults who don't know a word in English and mainly working in the agriculture. How students who are paying their taxes as normal( without any financial support from Bulgaria and England(not that we would require one from) and adults who are picking up fruits and vegetables are going to 'invade' and ruin England??? Trust me, no one will come here without knowing a single word in English... Recently, I started feeling like a burden to your country, although my dream was to come here and finish my education, and I hate to be a burden. I hate when people are looking at me strange just because I'm a Bulgarian. Maybe our policians worth nothing, but Bulgarians are not the people they have been presented recently and I hope they will prove that. In my opinion English people are aboslutely right to protest about their country and the convinience they have fought for, but Bulgarians are your least problem! -Kind Regards A.B.
Surfer Rosa - let's get a few things straight, shall we? My partner and I lived in Spain for 10 years. We took enough money with us to have a property built (thus providing work for the Spanish.) We bought a car, plants, food every week etc. We moved from the first villa and had another one built (thus providing more work for the Spanish.) We bought furniture, lots of plants, another car, etc. etc. I would say 90% of ex-pats in Spain arrive with enough money to buy a property. No benefits are available, only if you work for 2 years. Translators are not free, they have to be paid for. A reciprocal arrangement between the NHS and the Spanish NHS was in force when we were there meant that any treatment received free (when a pensioner) was paid back by the NHS. Treatment before pensionable age had to be paid for. We had private health insurance for 3 years.
Why would one think that all young , well mannered and educated people from Bulgaria and Romania would like to emigrate to Uk and work as cleaners and builders? There is poverty in Bulgaria and Romania but it is not the Third World .. Many of you who have visited these beautiful countries would know how warm , hard-working and honest are most of these people . Just do strict rules ....if one do not contribute to this community , the community will not serve them back...as simple as that.
Or just say NO - it will be a lot cheaper.
The government should NOT be saying " Do not come to England because it rains a lot", They SHOULD be saying " Coming to England will result in deportation, so save your time and stay away".
not exactly an endorsement of British life but since its spread over a country the incidents of seeing any of these are slight, still, I bet its better and more profitable than there life now. you have to finger in the criminal gangs that will make life more intolerable for the rest of us at the same time enriching the life of a select few, increasing the open warfare between different gangs for ownership of 'terf'.
Who on earth would want to come to this country with its UKIP supporters and right wing bigots?
Do the powers that be really think that telling these potential immigrants that it is cold here and people get smashed every saturday is going to put them off? Some expensive hope ! I have seen some of this rubbish advertising and the only thing that it does is to give the rest of the world, if they bother to look at it, a pretty disgusting image of this country.
"Call Me Dave can hardly stand up one week proclaiming the joys of a liberal Britain ¿open for business¿ and then sanction an international advertising campaign designed to persuade people to stay away." As much as I dislike our PM, I'm sure you know he actually meant open for BIG business, investment etc. Having an influx of immigrants is likely to cause the opposite; instead of investing money into the economy, they will likely draw it out and send it back home. I see where he's coming from on this one. But the ad campaign is an absolute joke.
jJust a bit of reverse psychology to make sure they all come. Whilst the forked tongue schmooses the plebs into believing that HMG are really trying to stop immigration... not . Will they get to vote in an EU referendum? And will they tip the ballance?
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ????
Any 'economic migrants' from Bulgaria are just as likely to head to Germany and France as they are the UK. Why the automatic belief that there will be a mass exodus and that the entire country will head here? We don't really have anything to offer anymore. This idea that immigrants will automatically get a house and claim benefits is not entirely true either. If the government really wants to put people off coming to the UK, don't bother with talk about the weather; just provide them with some detailed information about our economy, the lack of jobs, unemployment levels, the lack of social mobility, the lack of social housing, foodbanks, how we treat our elderly and disabled people, as well as the unelected closet Nazis we have running the country and they'll be sure to give us a wide birth. In fact, they'll probably pity us.
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. - Tristan, Westmount, Canada, 29/1/2013 4:46 ... I'm intrigued - where in the UK were you, and what were your experiences?
Pathetic! Just ban them and get out of the EU - meantime, Camoron wooes the immigrant vote - what a Quisling, what a loser!
Just tell them no benefits and no housing that should do the trick
The only deterrent that will work is to say very clearly that they cannot expect housing, benefits, schooling or healthcare provided by the British taxpayer, until they have contributed for at least 5 years.
The worst thing about this influx is that a lot of tax payers money (benefits etc) will be sent to the home country, sucking hard working people's money OUT of the economy. Assuming they work, that money will go too which isn't good for us.
All politicians must be brain dead We need more immigration like a hole in the head. Think of it like a full box of 500 straws if you try to put a handful more straws in the box all you succeed in doing is split the box open and the straws fall all over the place. This is what is happening to our infrastructure it just cant cope
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan, Veliko Turnovo, Not all British are unfriendly or wouldn't accept immigrants. I strongly believe that anyone would go anywhere they can to give their families a better life. If its here in Britain then so be it. There are plenty of British people who have emigrated to Australia etc. in order to have a better life.
In Bulgaria temperatures can go from -20 or even lower to +40 degrees so quite how telling them it is cold here is just a complete waste of money. Many of the young who have gone to University can also speak English. We may as well just send them the money as they will be coming in large numbers and who can blame them when they see the quality of life here compared to their own country. The EU has a lot to answer to those in the UK and others. I can see why poor countries joun the EU as they are bribed with free money (ours) to help build their roads and infrastructure, but what we get out of it is just a large bill and a never ending stream of people who we have to support until they can support themselves and often the ones their is a large proportion of those who come over that have no intention of supporting themselves if they don't have to. Our Government and particualrly the last Labour one have sold us down the river and we will be paying for decades
its just typical of the brain dead idiots we have got running this country that wont stop them the amount of freebies this country will give them
Cannot fault your article on the impending influx of rich, multi-cultural diversity ambassadors aboard the good ship Titanic, er, sorry, Great Britain. SURFER ROSA: Yes, we keep being accused of racism, that being the case, why come here? I'm very widely travelled and every SETTLED - not the chav tourists - British expat community I've encountered, whilst not perfect, has brought money into the area to the benefit of the locals - ask any objective Spaniard, Frenchman, American, and so on, what they don't do is demand that locals change practices, procedures and the law to suit them. Try finding advisory leaflets in written English in government or local authorities in Spain or France - but don't hold your breath.Thanks also for the first laugh of the day - I saw the photo of 'Hitchcock' before getting to the text and also thought it to be Kinnock.
Will the copies of the Daily Mail sent to Bulgaria and Romania be given away with the a free dog whistle or does the dog whisle only come with the British version? If our benefit system really is so wonderful why do we need to have quite so many soup kitchens and foodbanks in most towns to ensure that people living in poverty don't starve?
Never mind Eastern Europeans. The volume of economic migrants from Spain, Greece and Italy has increased substantially over the last twelve months too. Time to close the doors.
Just imagine you are an average Romanian, who thinks that only the well to do have flushing toilets or glass in their windows, living in a country where people die from minor medical problems because they cannot afford basic health care. Then look at good old Blighty where everything is free and the government gives money away like it was confetti. Where would you live given a choice?
There is only one way this is going to stop. Get out of the EU recind the Human rights act, replace with a UK bill of rights, and the only way this will happen is by voting UKIP in the local, European, and General Elections in the next two years. The policy on immigration should be that people will be allowed into this country as long as they can contribute to the shortfalls in skills or that they have enough money to live on for 5 years. UKIP the party of the people, for the people and by the people.
Tell them the truth No jobs, if any they pay minimum wages No secure tenancy High bills to pay More likely to be homeless and jobless Immigrants are miserable as ever, due to the above
How much more can this country take before the bubble bursts and we have rioting on our streets. I am in no way against immigrants but isn't it time to look after our own in such times of austerity. How can we justify these people coming here and putting further strain on our already stretched services. Is it right our old folk will die because they can't afford to heat their homes or children who are being abused get missed because our Social Services are having to deal with the issues arising because of immigration. I could go on and on.
Do they really think that reporting the weather is going to put benefits scroungers from coming here? Just goes to show the mentality of the numpties in charge.
Labour opened the door ,the tories for all their waffle continue to carry on so the only alternative is either UKIP or BNP
"Do they really want to send their children to primary schools in which 40 pupils every day are expelled for attacks on teachers?"====== From discussions with school and college staff in a certain London borough, I can tell you they said some of the biggest problems of bullying and disruptive behaviour in their institutions were coming FROM Eastern European youngsters ...
I think that May's mob want this lot to come seeking refugee status, so that the government can cop for the 4 grand euro grant per head, agreed by the HS in her letter to the commission back in april.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year. - bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40>>>>>>>>>>>>>You obviously did not see the Panorama programme exposing this highly organized crime in London actually using children to beg...they traced these people concerned back to their large properties in Romania with the very expensive 4x4s and BMW parked outside! You sound very much like my MP he denied it also! London is an English city ( or used to be) so would you not expect to see (unfortunately) English begging it is their country after all! And they are being denied the help from organisations that help the homeless because of the number of immigrants now taking to our streets!
OVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan , Veliko Turnovo, 29/1/2013 08:41 It is not quite as simple as that I have met some Bulgarians and they were nice people, it is just that we have nearly 3 million unemployed, 23000 homeless people, our NHS cannot cope now and our schools are full to bursting. Our welfare payments are bigger than tax revenue.Where will all these people live, can you or our spineless government just realise there is no money and no room. It is not a question of being racist just have to be a realist and say FULL UP
The British will be the Jews of the 21st century!! Worried about all the Bulgarians and Romanians that will be flooding the UK????? Well as a Scot and one of the thousands of Brits who saw the writing on the wall years ago and moved to Bulgaria I can assure you all that Littlejohn should really do a little more research before adding to the panic. It is not the Bulgarians or Romanians that will be coming in their droves but rather the gypsies! (Clambering in their tens of thousands though Littljohn??? I don't think so!) Lots of muslims. The real problem will be when Turkey is in the EU(sheer stupidity!). Then Brits really will start running for the lifeboats and all I can say is good move. We will be the modern Jews. Scattered to all corners and no country of our own. Truly sad!! But I love Bulgaria as do thousands more of us so I suggest you may love it too. Sofia is a dump for sure but there is a lot more. Veliko Turnovo(where I live), Varna, Burgass, Rousse etc.
If the government needs to do this, then they know there is a problem. Get out of EU now.
We don't want or need you!
I had a good laugh reading this.Anyway, I am coming to England for a graduate degree this autumn so I plan on making a T-shirt that says "I am Bulgarian and I came to exploit your social benefits" just to freak out people in the streets.
God how stupid can you get and what a total waist of money
Cameron and his rich business friends will be rejoicing. They will make millions more from all the slave labour that will come here. We are all in it together?.............................................They are.
Don't wase your money for ads ,everyone who wants to come will do it.Can not scare us with bad weather,check the weather forcase in BG first. You survived all poles ,you will survive us too. Check the facts just 1% are using the benefits ,most people will be fit and healthy and will not need NHS regulary and wouldnt be prepared to wait so long for free treatments anyway and they will go back to their home country to pay private in need for example. Just keep in mind ,people are coming here to work,not like you going in Spain,Bulgaria,Italy...to relax and buy houses. I know you already have too many immigrants,but can not do much to stop them this is one of these things,doesnt it.
The mentality of this government is unbelievable more like infants school children than men. Vote UKIP!
Just make benefits available only to British born citizens. Don't hand them out to every Tom, Dick & Harry with a sob story. That'd put them off coming here.
how many countries did britons didnt colonised?
The difference is pull all the expats out of Spain and Spain will crash. Take all the immigrants out of UK and we will grow. And by the way we have to pay for our own interpretors and Health care in Spain, and we don't get benefits. Not quite the same is it
The proposed campaign demonstrates that the government does not want the anticipated influx. The answer to the problem is simpler and cheaper. All that is required is to ignore the rule requiiring the uk to allow these people into the country. If they are not in the UK then they cannot claim benefits. If the EU do not like this they c an take the UK to task and fine us................so what,?....... the fine will be less than the potential benefit costs and I for one would not want to pay it anyway. It is time for our leaders to stand up for our country!!!
We have nothing from government but a ridiculous campaign saying "Its cold here!" What more can one expect from this government? We should be able to expect our government to work on behalf of current population and stem the tide. No benefits until they have been here for 10 years for example.
You want to keep immigrants out ?, simple way treat them the same as us brits make them wait ten years on the housing list before giving them a council house make them pay all their bills themselves and get the politicians to tell them lies
Just think of all the lovely warm clothing they can buy with their benefits but of course they wont need it indoors with their nice warm, centrally heated free house. Only a fool wouldn't come and I certainly don't take these people as fools.
Make begging illegal, refuse them benefits and subsidised housing and ensure theyhave enough of their own resources to last them for twleve months before they can apply to enter Britiain .
Has anyone contemplated the evidence that the UN and EU are on a mission to distribute wealth from the deserving to the undeserving? Does anyone care?
Throughout history conquering nations have sought to make their victory irreversible by deporting the native population and importing alien populations. The EU is bent on that same course, only it has no need to deport anyone because native-born Brits are already leaving in droves, but the policy of uncontrolled mass immigration is calculated to destroy our national identity and put us forever in their power.
Thanks to Richard, people will not now be able to enjoy the Hitchcock movie without the image of the Kinnocks coming to mind and transforming it into a horror film.
Sadly, to these people the streets of Britain are paved with gold, all the way to the Benefits office!
A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating. Problem here is, it's the drunks, druggies, dummy tapers, murderers, rapists and paedophiles that will come over here, so it's not going to put them off. Our parents/grandparents fought wars to protect our borders, many gave their lives, and for what? Sold out by our own government.
my country is broken and its leaders are bent i'm off to australia............
The Benefits system in England encourages everything about society that is wrong, there is work for everybody, If the infrastructure was right, can't help but think that a mass invasion of beggars and scroungers, may just finish us off!
once this door opens we have lost our country we must lay the blame for this at blair and browns door they must go down as the bigist disaster in briton we the people of england will never trust any government again they have destroyed our beloved country
the only reason they will come hear is for the benifits and who can blame them they are so easy to claim they should not be allowed anything at all close the borders
If you let them in with no healthcare or benefits crime rates will soar. there are enough british criminals subsidising their benefits through burglary and muggings without adding to them with this lot. we must get out of the EC. vote UKIP. You know it makes sense.
I have been in some cities in my life but have never seen as many beggars as in Bucharest
All these do-gooders telling us we are racist have the solution right in their own home - offer a room in your house or flat to one of these people when they arrive here, put up their childrn, feed them and take them into your hearts. You can use the pages of the DM that you seem to hate so much to teach them English, let them watch the BBC to teach them how bad our TV is, and then you an sit back and pat yourselves on the back knowing what a true Europen you are as your taxes soar, you cant get into your local doctors surgery or your local hospital, and your kids cant get a place in the local schools.
I wish Carmeron would grow a pair. As Littlejohn rightly says, if we change anything re benefits etc it will be ruled illegal by the European Court but hey so what? Whatever punishment they bestow on us can't be as bad as yet another swarm of beggars descending on our cash-strapped country can it? It is totally ridiculous that people who have never paid a penny into this country can claim a whole raft of benefits and it needs to be stopped NOW not after we have a referendum when it will be too late.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. - Surfer Rosa , Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 08:45++++++++Would that be the self same people who overwhelmingly paid for their own houses and accommodation, and in turn boosted the Spanish economy? Any health care that they got is on a reciprocal arrangement and is largely seriously lacking in what you get, unlike what you and your kind get here! If it wasn't for the Brits and Germans buying and holidaying in Spain your Country would still be in the backwoods.......Oh I forgot, you now mainly rely on the EU heavily for your existence.
I can fore see immigration and the influx from the E. U. leading to violent civil unrest, this Island is full up. Just tell them all they are not welcome, WE DO NOT WANT ANYMORE.
The teeming hordes arent coming here for a suntan !!! Our benefit system is the lure plain and simple. Our abject fear of Brussels enforcing yet more controls on us and more contradictory decisions under human rights legislation is slowly but surely bringing this once proud nation to its knees and all Call me Dave wants to do is boost his airmiles as well as his ludicrous foreign aid budget. Happy days.......................................not.
Well said, Littlejohn! I have always suspected the objective has been to cause social chaos...of the sort we have seen in Greece and North Africa. Not far off now.
This government like the last one is brain dead, on sorting out major problems with proper solutions, the only thing that politicians are good at is telling lies, covering up and filling their pockets with the publics money.
Only provide benefit application forms in English, offer no translation service, if they can't fill them in properly then they can't claim.
Listen they know if they get there they will get benefits they don't want to go to another country because they won't shut the door and shut it now UKIP
Immigrants should not be able to claim until they have served a qualifying period, paid taxes etc. and proved themselves fit to be Brits.
Add this to the cost of our EU membership. It's not just our "contributions" we would save by leaving. To those who are scared by the "Little Britain-Big Europe" brigade just ask yourselves,would you stay in a fitness gym whose fees skyrocket when you could leave and stay in shape by your own efforts.
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan, Veliko Turnovo, 29/1/2013 8:41+++++++++Methinks we'll be seeing you next January then.
Get ready,they will come in droves,a tenemant flat in romania or a nice council house in london ,you do the maths.
Why oh why does the UK have to import all this scum, when we they have plenty home grown already????????
Haha at least you recognise how bad and miserable this country is. Don't worry you will not be "invaded". If anything many Romanians will probably choose to settle in France as many of them already speak the language and the country itself is far more pleasant than the UK.. Spain is also a destination of choice for them. Stop thinking that everybody dreams of coming here. You said it yourself, it is a dump!
The Romanians and Bulgarians do not head for sunny Spain? Why? Because you get no benefits unless you have worked and you get no health cover unless you pay taxes or pay for it yourself. How simple is that!
Tell them they will get no benefits and no free health care for 2 years and no free housing.. Then watch how many turn up!
I look forward to the day...when I am visiting this country for holidays and health care!
NO expensive Advertising Campaigns. Just say " NO ! " and mean it ! But then your pals in Advertising would lose out wouldn't they ? But life really is rough at the top isn't it Dave ? YOUR Govt., YOU PAY ! NOT ME !!!
This government will do didly squat about immigration. It will spend all its time on fast tracking legislation that no one voted for and wasn't in anyone's manifesto.
I have had business in Bulgaria since early 70s , speak pretty good Bulgarian , most Bulgarians are good , hard working people , I can say, talking to many of my friends they are very happy we are likely to get the people causing the most crime & underage prostitution coming to UK & ridding them of a problem ! I've voted Conservative for many years - next time UKIP !!!
The government are just asking for trouble, not just for the economy but the community, forget lifting restriction, forget the eu, pull out now!!!!
" What annoys me the most is the difficulty some friends have in getting visas for their Thai WIVES yet a criminal undesirable gets full benefits and a house! - ron , krung tep, Thailand, 29/1/2013 06:45" You mean the authorities shouldn't be sceptical about poverty-stricken women who have effectively been purchased by desperate and deluded older men and question why they have entered into a marriage with them when often they don't even have a language in common? Do me a favour, it's more akin to modern slavery than marriage in the true sense of the word.
Shut the door to all immigration until this useless government sort the problem out. The UK is full to overflowing.
And all of this nonsense is precisely why I have joined UKIP and am running as a candidate. Oh and by the way, any Lefty Troll trying to play the "race" card, check out the UKIP website, extremists and racists from the BNP, SWP, EDL etc are BARRED, and those who are found to break the terms and conditions on this are OUT.
Just stop them coming in
No doubt all the baby machines will be demanding mansions for their dozen or so kids. IF benefits must be handed out, then make it what they would get in their home country. See if they'd come then!
what idiots they really are in our corrupt goverment,this is why we are in such a mess,because people who make up these stupid ideas are running this country.i went to germany and worked in 15 below degrees because the money was good.a bit of rain for free benifits ,SURE.
Pity you weren't so vocal on tax cuts for the rich whilst working families cannot make ends meet
Message to Romanians and Bulgarians, we don't want you here, you are NOT welcome !
It hasn't put off people from Somalia, so i doubt Eastern Europeans will be too bothered!
The UK government think that 'weather' adverts will deter-people from over-here, (Eastern Europe) heading for the UK! Are the people responsible for this thinking INSANE? Have they no-idea what kind of weather we have over here, with temperatures in winter, frequently dipping-to minus 15-20, with snowdrifts of 2 metres, impassable roads, and small towns & villages shut-off for weeks! - and when the Dunav (Danube) overflows, what conditions-are-like in the north near the Romanian border? There is insanity, and then, there-is officialdom 'INSANITY' ...... WOW, people, you have some KING-SIZED SURPRISES coming soon. Oh boy.
The weather what a joke!! They come here because they can, there is nothing to stop them, they steal and beg their way through our streets and police are powerless and so is the goverment there is no gate its a free for all!!
What is the point of all our comments.? The Government (whoever is or has been in power) do not stop this influx of people. I have no quarrel with those that can speak English, have a job or money. It is those that use UK as a place to get everything free, and have no intention of every working and paying taxes. If I was younger I would depart for Australia or Canada where they have stricter laws regarding 'spongers' and 'free loaders'
How long before it sinks in with our dense politicians?No benefits for foreigners and their imaginary dependants,make it retrospective and they won't come.Bring the troops back now to deal with illegals and to enforce deportations.
Reply to SuperD....How is it that a Romanian or Bulgarian who has never worked, lived or visited England be entitled to claim any benefit. The deterrent should be, if you can't communicate in English, have no skills or value to Britain. Chances are your going to starve or die from hypothermia on a lonely city street. That would make a few think twice. You are right man. They are NOT entitled to claim any benefit,so they won't get anything. Dont you understand,Its just propaganda. Journalist and politics trying to make us scare of them,but in very silly way, unfortunately
So the message is: UK has terrible weather, the streets are dangerous, knife and machete killing happens 15 minutes walk from the Parliament - Bulgarians you won't find this suits you at all so stay out. Meanwhile: UK is pleasant with friendly citizens, great restaurants, lots of nice open space and historic monuments - all wealthy tourists, you will love it so come soon and often. And: The Green Belt is old fashioned, out of date and gets in the way, anyone who resist concrete and clay, new housing estates or train lines is a NIMBY - don;'t listen to them, we are building a (big) brave new world. OK Dave, which is it?
Not a chance the weather will have any effect. No wills top getting free benefits, housing and free medical *(NHS).
Drop leaflets telling them that the British don't want them here. Tell them they will be reviled and hated. Most importantly the UK government needs to amke chages that will ensure these dregs will not receive, housing, healthcare or anything else!
Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and crappy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. There is some truth in this.
The ONLY solution for you, Britains, is to change your social low. It is the REAL reason why all the gypsies from BG and RO come to you. They don't want to work here, they don't intend to work in GB as well. They are only going to you because of the GENEROUS social low you have. Your problem are not the people comming to work in GB. Your problem are the people like the laaaarge gypsy families, coming in GB led by the only idea of living for free. Why are you giving anyone that is NOT working, NOT paying taxes a free house, free everything??? WHY a family with two working parents and a 1 or 2 chindren have LESS RIGHTS on communal apartment than a family (even British ones) with 5 kids and NOBODY is working for years!?!?!? I am from BG and I live in BG. I am telling you: unless you will change that, nobody and nothing else could help you! Good Luck!
The Government is panicking, they know they will never get back into power if they don't address this, and stop all these foreigners coming into the UK, these things cannot be undone once they have happened and future generations will suffer
What they should be saying is don't come unless you have a job, somewhere to live and private health insurance. YOU WILL NOT GET FREE HOUSING, HEALTH CARE OR BENEFITS!!! If you can afford to get to the UK you can afford to keep yourself without benefits. Enough is enough now and the British public are sick of it. We have enough European here who are on benefits and we don't want more.
You will find that your list of negatives about the UK are trumped in every case out here in the east. Expect about a million to come and you will be closer to the real figure. Don't believe your politicians BS that they wish to stop this mass migration, they are happy to keep all you dumb working class brits in your place, that is on min wage forever.
THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY
The turkish village i left in 1974 had a population 676 at that point in time. Today the number is 122 and it are only old ones. You might be interested where all the other ones are living today? Young People in Bulgaria or Romania also have only one target: The United Kingdom
The best advertising campaign is to say no benefits will be paid unless the applicant has paid tax and national insurance for at least two years. Oh, and also to say all communications with any government and local authority agency will be in English only. No translator service supplied!
With 26 other European countries, many of them with sunny climates and wonderful relaxed life styles, just WHY do these people come to the UK? Could it be that nowhere else in Europe do you get automatic free access to a health service even for routine treatment and maternity care? Could it be that a whole chest of benefit payments are available, even if you have no plan to ever work? Could it be that you will be given housing benefit for yourself and ideally, a very large family, as that will mean you jump the queue of those who have been living here for years? Could it be that there are thousands of low paid jobs available as local people won't do them as the returns are insufficient for a normal family, but acceptable for those coming from real poverty? Don't blame Europe for the system you have created that attracts immigrants to your shores.
When all that is left to defend these shores is, an advertising campaign, then you know that something is wrong with our political system .
Sten, uk....what's wrong with other UK countries? They don't dish out the freebies!! I spend a lot of time in Greece. No-one from another European country would get benefit there. If you needed a translator you pay for one, if your children go to school there they HAVE to learn the language, no English speaking teachers would ever be provided. We are the laughing stock of Europe and it won't be long before we are hanging on to the White Cliffs of Dover by our fingernails.
Let them all come. Serves the British right for being so soft.
Advertising our bad weather will do wonders for our tourist trade. The blithering idiots.
Come on Dave use your loaf these people all have the Dick Whittington syndrome they are not going stay at home.
I live in Bulgaria after watching Britain given away by a sucession of at best stupid politicians or at worst corrupt, Winter here regularly reaches -20 C with a metre of snow, it rains too so weather is no deterrent, block access to benefits for 5 years like they do here and even after 5 years we have to sign a document stating we won't claim benefits from the State in order to have permanent residency status. Why is the Muppet show (parliament) giving free money, housing, food ,clothing, TVs, ect ect ect to people who have put nothing into the system yet are allowed to feed like pigs at a trough on our benefits system ? Britain is already morally bankrupt so it may as well be financially as well. So glad I left.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and crappy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites.
pathetic,is that the best they can do,thank you very much labour and thanks for nothing the tories, all the tough words well do this well do that mean nothing when it comes to it.
22 years since the communist yoke was lifted from these two countries and not much has changed. Where has all the money gone from the ECB and the IMF in getting their economies and yet when restrictions are lifted they will be allowed to flood here and it doesnt matter what the weather is like and they will be claiming for everything they get. Even though there are 2.5M unemployed, shops are closing down due to lack of demand, we are back at 2003 average incomes because of pay freezes and job cuts. Labour support this and that means they are letting down their own people down here who will be undercut by these poorly developed nations. Opt out of this like you did closer financial integration which would have hurt the city but dont care about ordinary people here who looking for a job cant get one...This has got a really stupid silly phase and spending money on adverts to dissuade is like asking Europhile Clegg to vote against these rulings from the EU....
didnt Cam say during his campaign we would get a referandum on the lisbon treaty? And didnt he also say he would do away with the human rights courts? Tell us another one...so sad to be starting to be disenchanted with my beloved britian :(
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. - Tristan, Westmount............Despite your experiences, it is clear that this is NOT the case!
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. - Tristan, Westmount, Canada, 29/1/2013 4:46++++++++Missing you alreadeeee!
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK!
What a load of claptrap
"This is where the Daily Mail can help. We should print millions of copies in Bulgarian and Romanian and airlift them to Sofia and Bucharest, where they should be given away free on the streets. A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating...." - yes, stay where you are, folks. That way you can avoid the printed version of the leaden wit and wisdom of Richard Littlejohn. You're still in danger of being exposed to it on the internet but you should be able to filter it out using anti-drivel software.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year.
There is only one thing that will put them off coming here. NO benefits of any kind!! NO MORE IMMIGRANTS!
The weather is always slightly different on the ground than it is on the penthouse floor of your ivory tower, Dave.
We need to change something within our benefits system to prevent these immigrants from getting our money, sharpish.
Yet again the governments softly softly approach because we can't upset anyone can we?I can say it plain and simple without any flowery message about the weather-DONT COME HERE BECAUSE WE DONT WANT YOU HERE- now that wasn't too hard was it?
Vote UKIP! The only way left to us now as every other politician and party has let us down on this issue of immigration.
and what adverse effect will this have on our tourist industry stop paying these idiots
As usual our politicians have their fingers on the pulse.
another political smoke screen hoping to confuse the plebs but the plebs are wiser they are voting ukip to save us from labour,liberal and conservative politicians who want to handcuff us to europe
I like this article. Made me laugh!! The truth is painful though.
We should not stop them but no free health care or benefits, no free housing. Why should they live better then me whilst I pay for it.
e petition 41492 is worth signing if you're against this influx
Come to Britain, Romanians and Bulgarians! The taxpayers will give you free healthcare, free housing, free schooling for your kids and free money. On top of that, you can work for cash in hand and beg on the streets. In fact, you would be insane not to take up Mr Cameron's generosity with other people's money.
Cameron is such a chicken.
Just veto the move to let it happen. When I say veto I mean just say no! Why does Brussels decide who crosses our borders?
The fact is that the opening of the borders to Romanians and Bulgarians will mean more immigrants and the people here will lose their patience and turn to the UKIP, this will happen shortly before the next election. No wonder them in office are starting to panic... !
The UK border is no longer a Border but a gateway to untold wealth for some people.
Soon there won't be enough of us left to make our UKIP vote count
I agree with all the comments.We cannot keep allowing migrants in who have nothing to offer the country.If they cannot prove that they can sustain themselves and families,add value to our country and be able to read and write English,why should we have to put up with them ? I consider it an afront to my European Human Rights to have to put up with it, so can I go to court and stop it ?I doubt it because I doubt that I would get any legal aid benefit-I guess they would.! Lets get the Poiliticians to stand up to this and put in place some rules to stop this migration.They seem to be able to change other rules and regulations when it suits,so why not this one ?
I know one Bulgarian working here who says the weather is much better than in her country and that no one there has any money. There is a network of Bulgarians here who help their friends settle in when they arrive (in much the same way as others who arrive in London and don't integrate much). She has lived here for 5 years and still has a very basic level of English as she generally only mixes with other Bulgarians. Getting on a bus in South London now you won't hear much English spoken.
This idea of trying to put immigrants off coming here because it rains a lot, is so ridiculous that it borders on complete lunacy. What on earth is wrong with our politicians? Why do they not see what the rest of us see? Have they no idea of the number of huge, brand new villas being built in Romania, funded by the British taxpayer? Do they honestly believe that rain will disuade people from coming here and 'earning' (?) in a couple of years, more money they they have ever seen in their lives? I don't know whether our politicians are stupid, deluded or simply underestimating the intelligence of the majority of British people. Whatever - I am sick to death of them. A group of chimpanzees could do a better job.
The Neil and Glenys Kinnock line was hilarious! Was that the time Kinnock was waltzing round a beach and fell into the surf? LOL
So you & obese English will build HS2 line,lol.
Dear MInister Just a quick note to let you know that they are not coming here for the weather. You could, instead, let them know that if they do not have a job to come to then they will not be welcome here nor is there any point in them claiming to be self employed (this one was used last time and we have learned a trick or two since then and that we don't need Romanian or Bulgarian food/drinks shops, cafe's etc). You could point out that to survive here they will need to speak English and that they will need work skills required by this Country as we have our own dead beats to look after. You need to refuse to pay benefits not only to them but in some cases to members of their families who do not have to actually be here. You need to let them know that they will not be fast tracked in to housing and you may want to add that if they commit a crime they will be deported immediately. You might also want to consider making them pay at the point of receipt for NHS. Hope that is helpful
Yes they know it is cold and wet but they also know large benefits keep them warm and well fed, free everything so you see why they love this country. Do I feel my feet getting wet?
So come to Britain and get a free house, healthcare, education and generous benefits. Oh but hang on, it rains a bit. Yeah, that will send them all packing back to Romania won't it??
Perhaps we should go and live in Bulgaria. I n twelve months time thousands will come here leaving all that living space over there. The few indigenous Brits left here now could move lock stock and barrel over there. We would be able to claim all sorts of benefits and the locals would not be able to stop us. If they protested we can take them to court and claim loads of money off them for their cheek. The money we get we can send back home and build a nice house in Chipping Sodbury. Is`nt Life wonderful.
If there all gonna move here why don't all the true brits move to Romania and make it "New Britain'. We can do it!
Unfortunately, we haven't a hope of erasing the memory of the massive New Labour campaign all over the world to persuade people to flock to this country and take advantage of our ludicrously generous benefits system.
If you have no Social Security number then you should not be entitled to anything - housing, health, unemployment, child benefit, et al. But despite this article, plus the howls of protest (including mine), we all know what will happen next January. Thousands of Romanian & Bulgarians will waltz through our ports, demanding housing, maternity care and the vast array of benefits that are handed out like sweets in a shop! Like everyone else, they will probably be able to 'claim' for children back home in their home country, or demand a five bedroom house as they've brought them here. And this Government will allow it; they cannot stop it due to the wonderful Lisbon Treaty signed by the last lot. All this talk of repatriating powers from Brussels is just rubbish; why should our EU neighbours agree that Britain can opt out of the 'nasty' rules when they can't themselves? So I am resigned to the fact that, once again, we are about to be overrun and our identity will be watered down further.
We're doomed, we're doomed ! Captain Cameron and his motley bunch of misfits he calls a Cabinet, have guaranteed that. The EU dictators in Brussels have already set in concrete that the UK will be forced to accept thousands of immigrants and we will not be allowed to stop them coming. Any silly campaigns are completely futile. ( They are already paying the fares and expenses for unemployed youth from the EU to come to the UK to seek work.) There is only one answer, and as each day goes by, the chances of it happening are receding further and further in to oblivion.
if you replaced all the mps at westminster with chimpanzees you would get the same results, no insult to chimpanzees intended
Once the Lisbon Treaty comes into force it will be way to late, there will be no getting out you need to vote UKIP and you need to do it now , dont trust the Three Horsemen of Britains Apocalypse " Labour , Tory or Lib Dems " they are all hell bent on staying in the EU and ruining this country
I bet it took someone with a Univeristy Degree to come up with that idea. The Government is full of educated idiots with no common sense. The real people in streets know this is a waste of money. If Romainians and Bulgarians, do not have correct paperwork, or a letter saying they have a job then they WILL be turned back. C\annot see how our weonderful UKBA will be able to remove then after 3 months in they do not have a job. Job Centre should be forewarned that Romainians/Bulgarians will NOT be entitled to Benefit money until they have been in the country for 5 years.
Florida's warmer, isn't it?
The rain and cold will be dealt with by the free house they will receive as they go to the head of the queue , in front of all the British people that have been waiting forever - especially if the local council is full of Labour Councilors and bleeding hearts .
Stop them coming altogether - Referendum NOW
The rain and cold will be dealt with by the free house they will receive as they go to the head of the queue , in front of all the British people that have been waiting forever - especially if the local council is full of Labour Councilors and bleeding hearts .
As soon as the government tries to do something about the horrendous benefits bill everyone cries poverty. There is no such thing as real poverty in the UK.
It's so simple don't give them benefits. That's how simple it is. I don't even have an a level
Uh unless some people don't realise you can't go straight to countries like Germany & claim benefits. They are very strict & all new emigrants have to have worked AT LEAST a minimum of 1 year before even being considered for what's known as ALG1 (that's 70% of your net pay). Also Switzerland is much stricter, being that they will have a quota system for the Bulgarians & Romanians (even then with no guarantee of getting the prized B Permit). The UK has to follow the examples of Switzerland.
TRISTAN of CANADA at 04.46 will obviously never make an Empire Builder? Two months away from home in England and the poor dear just had to rush back home to mummy and daddy! Dear Tristan, just don't try your luck in the back streets of Toronto or Vancouver or you'll just keel over in fright and start blubbing for mumsy again!
The Government has 11 months to grow a pair and put a stop to this . No job , no entry - sounds simple enough .
GOD HELP THE UK CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN IN BANKRUPT CESSPIT BRITAIN. VOTE UKIP. DO IT.
the cold weather will be attractive to all those Bulgarian pensioners - they will get fuel allowance and cold weather payment!
Everyone coming into the country should be checked like they do in New Zealand . How do we know who they are . They might be criminals on the run . Surely the protection of our people should be the main priority.I know I should not say it but perhaps if Mr Cameron was mugged my an illegal immigrant he might change his tune.
You honestly could not make this up. I have watched from afar as the UK has committed cultural and moral suicide, and there is absolutely no let up. None whatsoever, lots of meaningless words from the culprits mind you.
I'm a Romanian. I did visited London one time in May, last year. The weather was fine with 5 sunny days, more sunny than the Romanian days. :-) Although your London capital is one of the most impressive city I ever visited, I don't consider to move in UK. I don't have any reason to do it. I don't know why the English people still think that we, Romanians, only work in factories, payed with only few p/hours and we're feeling miserable for our life here in Romania. With a aprox 2000 eur/month and with the rents and prices way lower than in UK I must be a fool to live in UK nowadays. There are segments in the Romanian economy like IT that is very appealing for us the youngest ones. So, don't be afraid, we will not move to your country...maybe just visiting it, maybe to taste a fine beer or the famous London fish&chips. Cheers! Alex
Why don't they just run a campaign to tell them they're not welcome if they plan to come to the UK to claim benefits and we won't allow benefit migrants.
Richard littlejohn you have stated quite clearly what we all think. Wish the govt would get a bit tougher and open their eyes to what us going on tho.....,
Welcome to our wonderful government... I say this loosely!, wasting to s of money we don't have., on an advertising campaign to deter thousands of scrounges entering the UK due to poor weather..... Seriously, the mentality... No wonder we are laughing stock of the world, but it's not the UK people, we want our say, we want our referendum but this keeps being denied us..... I firmly believe if UKIP don't get into office soon, then true Brits will cease to exist...
Not our problem
We have until December to sort Brussels out, or Britain will cease to exist as a people. We didn't sign up to Schengen, but Brussels is ignoring us and paying people to flood Britain. Ask yourself Why. The Brussels Commissariat is enjoying Power and a Free Britain is a threat to that Power. Our Politicians have already surrendered. The Second Battle for Britain must start soon, or there will be nothing left to fight for.
This advert is a waste of money, you have to realise that the majority of people coming are poor be-on belief they live in shacks with no electric or running water, as for the cold they are use to 3 or 4 foot of snow in the winter, coming to Britain will be like living in luxury compared to there lives now. the only answer is to pull out of the EU this year before it is to late else the population in 20 years will be well over 100 million.
They aren't here for the weather, there coming for our excellent and easy available to any immigrant benefit scheme. It's an easy fix, forget the EU, make people apply for visas before they come over, grant access if they speak English, have needed skills and a set required amount of money, also the visa should be easily taken off them I'm you commit a crime.
I wonder why so many people will be voting for Ukip. Our present bunch of politicians must be from a different sort of planet than the rest of us.
Come on Dave get your act together and just say NO.
The best way is to BAN them from coming here. Just ignore EU rules. Britain OUT of the EU, NOW!
they will be here like flies around a jam pot
Oh Mr Littlejohn. have you never considered going into politics? I for one would vote for you what the government lacks is is common sense and you have bags of it!! And regardless of ANY campaign they are going to flock here in thousands, and as your not in politics my vote is going UKIP.
Goodness Lorena are you a politician - or are you employed by the EU. What planet do you live on. If you live somewhere where there is nothing for you and you can go somewhere else where you get a nice hours, free health care, food, schools for your children etc etc where would you live. They say 13K would come from poland in the first year. I believe it was over 114K and that was only the first year. UKIP is where I will put my cross.
Stop paying millions in a ad campaigns for a start , when they get here send them straight back , at their expense , anyone who hasn't paid into the system is not entitled to get our money spent on keeping them , feeding them or healthcare . Come on mp's , you allegedly 'work' for us , so listen at least once this century to the great brutish public .
Ha ha ha and all of the fools commenting or complaining on here could have avoided this years ago by voting for anti-immigration parties. You are getting exactly what you voted for.
Why do they all want to come here?? whats wrong with all the other EU countries??
I don't suppose the Islamic faith school, which couldn't be named for legal reasons, has since been closed down?????? They likely won't ever hear any more about this, despite it flying in the face of 'equal rights for women!!!!!
This is getting ridiculous now!! Close the gates of Britain now before us Brits get fed up and emigrate ourselves in the tens of thousands!!
We need HS2 to give the immigrants something upon which to more quickly infiltrate the country. Welcome to the door mat of Europe. Come and wipe your feet on us.
Here's how to deter them;- 1) if they can't speak english they have to pay for their own interpreter, 2) no help with housing, 3) not one penny of benefits in any shape or form, 4) no entitlement to a GP and support for GPs to turn them away from surgeries, 5) bring the troops home from abroad and put them on our borders and check everyone has a job and home lined up, 6) jail any british national circumventing these rules after trying them for treason.
Let's vote UKIP before it's too late and save Britain. Trouble is all the people on benefits with no intention of working will vote Labour.
So sad that the UK is obviously no longer a self governing nation dictating the rules for its own borders. My oh my, that old common market thing really has come a long way since it was introduced in the 1970s.
Or you could vote UKIP.
This country must be the laughing stock. You have people working all their lives, paying tax and national insurance yet when they retire, they are being told, we can't keep you warm, we can't keep you in a hospital bed, the drugs are too expensive anyway to save you, we can't keep you in a care home, we can't give you bus passes, we need your money to pay the benefits of those coming into this country and foreign aid.
As soon as they land on British soil they are taken away to be housed, fed and helped with a translator to form fill for all the benefits. I'm British, have worked for 20 years, self-employed, always paid NI and tax... Bet I'm not entitled to anything if I fell on hard times. Government should be sweating over the growing number of UKip voters!
How dare Richard Littlejohn talk about Britain like that! What a disgraceful article!
Gov are clue less they have to say something !!! we will be swamped hight tax to pay for it lower jobs and so it goes on !! What do Gov Do nothing UKIP NEXT TIME
Why is it that other countries such as Malta, which by the way are in the EU, only allow a visa for 3 months after that you have to register and be able to prove that you have either found a job or are able to support yourself financially to be able to stay ? Surely England being part of the EU (for now) can do the same thing, if the agencies worked together anyone who applied to the DWP for benefits has to show their passport, runs it through the same machinery as Immigration, this should flag up that this person is only here on a tourist visa and tah dah not entitled to benefits ! Or am I being too simplistic? Maybe I need that second cup of coffee ......
I prefer the campaign of "Come to Britain and we will give you nothing, then put you back on the train or ferry you arrived on". But it's not going to happen is it :(
Once the Euro-Muppets (Mr Cameron Ed Milliband Nick Clegg & Co) let in any Migrants from Romania and Bulgaria Etc Etc. The Government are Responsible for them & the Tax payers have to Pay for them FREE-Health-Care housing Food Ect Etc...Like it or Not. Thats why the UK needs a Referendum on Freedom & Independence from Germanys EU As Soon As Possible. But the Euro-Muppets do Not have the Courage. The UK needs Real-Men Real-Leadership ASP.
John please do not worry these Immigrants lifestyle will not suffer Cameron Cleggy and crew are going to fund this by removing the Winter Fuel Allowance from British Pensioners!!!
Why waist money on an advertising campaign? Just don't lift the restrictions and don't let them in
Hasn't stopped people coming to my city and selling the Big Issue. Is that really a better life than they had before?
Another nail in the conservative coffin. VOTE UKIP.
Give it a rest will ya! They are coming and there is nothing you can do about it. I'm rather pleased because I'll have Romania all to myself!
If I see any of these new imigrants, I'll see them off in the direction of the "posh boys" places. Then we'll see how they like it............................................................................
Even the Govt are panicking....Wait till we get the influx here...The British people are fed up now, I don't know what will happen when we actually get them here and start to see our country and people being ripped off, and cant do anything because of EU rules !
I am currently working in Bulgaria, if you think damp weather will put them off you are deluded. The climate here in winter is very harsh with temperatures often at -20c. The average wage here is about 250 euro per month! Unemployment benefits virtually non existent. Doctors visit is about 15 euro Where would you rather be? Politicians need to grow up and see the real world.
ur real problem is not the 29 mil romanians and bulgarians but the 1.5bil indians and pakistanis.....
For goodness sake when are we going to say'if you have have not contributed to the system and don't have medical insurance you can't get any benefits. Europe is bleeding our poor little island dry!!!!!!
THIS IS A REALLY BIG STORY. Things in the UK are more than bad enough now. You're already at saturation point with people just wandering in, taking handouts and thieving. There are two problems here. 1. British politicians don't seem to care how liberal they let things go. 2 British citizens would rather write to the DMs comment page than write to their MP. Get off your backsides and try and do something before it's too late.
Listened to a phone in on the radio yesterday about this - the first 5 people who phoned in, before I got out of the car, were actually all immigrants and all said basically that (a) this campaign was a joke (b) they'd rather be wet than poor (c) as long as the UK has such a lax over-generous benefit system migrants will flood here as other Euro countries don't pay anywhere near as much. They were all hard workers, and actually criticised the UK Govt and benefits for attracting lazy scrounger immigrants which gave hard working men like them a bad name.
Having lived and worked in parts of eastern Europe over many years I can be pretty sure that no amount of adverse propaganda about the weather, the poor NHS, crime on the streets or any other piece of nasty news is going to deter the majority of those wishing to come to this country from Romania or Bulgaria. Consider how they live remember what their leaders have done to them over the years, look at the state of their cities and then think "where would I rather be?". The answer to that question is clear. The only way to stop them is to legally stop them even getting through the door by changing UK laws and preventing them from coming in the first place. But try dong that now - it is too late, come January 2014 they will come in their thousands and nothing done now will be able to stop them. Have a happy new year Britain
I don't understand how these foreigners get so much in benefits when i have worked all my life, i am English and don't get a penny of help since being made redundant because i share with a lodger which according to DHSS means my lodger should help me out. Disgusting how we treat our own
They'll be begging there ticket money as we speak..
If HMG do not act they will rue the day. However another great reason to vote UKIP and dump the EU.
It will be January 2014 when they arrive. That's a year and a half before the next election. Plenty of time for the English to accept and then to forget the trauma. It's what the politicians are banking on.
Tristan It sounds like your a great loss to the UK Bye Bye! Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2269765/Begging-Bulgaria-benefits-Belgravia.html#ixzz2JLT4XVZG Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
This is all part of the three party strategy to deliberately collapse the economy through wasting funds in order to bring about rule by the new dictatorship in Brussels.
The British climate will not stop them coming, they will have to come up with a better idea than that!
What a waste of the tax payers money yet again, a simple no your not coming in would save millions . Man up Cameron or go. UKIP looks better every day .
If you don't think that it gets cold and wet in Bulgaria and Romania in the winter then I suggest that you've lived a very sheltered life!
Don't even bother. Instead spend the money on an official survey entitled "do you want anymore immigrants?". What annoys me the most is the difficulty some friends have in getting visas for their Thai WIVES yet a criminal undesirable gets full benefits and a house!
Why not ban benefits to scroungers and watch how they'll run back to their own countries!
Give me a break about Eastern Europeans flooding into England- most immigrants tend to migrate to countries closer to home and with similar culture and language- how else do you explain away the fact that more Irish people flood the job markets than eastern europeans who are far more likely to migrate to Germany and France because they are closer to home???? I am not defending migrants but how many of them actually claim benefits??? There are far more British long-term unemployed doing so than Eastern Europeans who are more likely to be younger, better educated and more willing to take risks, unlike our home grown bunch of lazy, thieving benefits scroungers!
@superD do not worry they will find a way to feed themselves... ;)
Just tell them they wont get any benefits or free health care that will stop them coming over!!!
What fools? They will have Benefits to keep them warm. Stop them!
Simplest way is to close the boarders and to return all those convicted criminals from those regions who can spread the word how great the UK is, turn off all benefits so the cash ceases to flow out of this country into these former eastern block countries and finally leave the EU job done
Go and ask many Foreign Nationals Did you find it hard to go and buy a umbrella from the Pound shop. I think you will find the answer is No, it was as easy as finding the Job Center
you can all stick it, you bunch of histerical whiners, look at yourselves, you're pathetic
Why not apply the same rules to migrant workers in the UK as in The Netherlands? I'm a Briton and when moving to work in NL had to prove I had medical insurance, a job and income as well as a place to live. I also had to have my details on the population register with a verified address before I could get any services connected to my home - so the Dutch always knew where I lived!. How is it that the UK Gov can't just adopt this model? Can't be against yuman rites as the Dutch are at the centre of Europe and no one rails at them for their "house rules". Once again, common sense turns out to be "rare" sense, I suppose.
The government has been promoting the idea that man made global warming will make the UK climate like the Mediterranean for years and now they are claiming it will be wet and cold? As if it would make any difference to the million plus who are already saving up for the bus trip, with free housing and free electricity and gas thrown in the new arrivals will be warmer than most ordinary Brits.
I might learn Romanian at least I can get a job as a translator.
CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!
The only thing that may keep these scroungers out is the fact that Britain has become a cess pit. I'm sure that in Eastern Europe a blind eye isn't turned to armed thugs taking over the streets.
so, quick, introduce a law stating that no new immigrant can access the health service and benefits for the first six months after arrival.
Frank Sinatra's assertion that 'hate California, it's cold and damp' (from the song) was ironic. Indeed it remains the only example of an American understanding irony since records began ...
As I understand it you cannot claim benefits in Ireland until you have been ordinarily resident in the country for two years. This includes Irish citizens who are returning home. The UK should have a similar rule.
"What about those of us who live here already?" - Why "us"? It's not as if that applies to you, does it?
I hold judges in equal contempt with criminals. I see them as two sides of the same coin (no pun intended).
just dont change the immigration restrictions. its our country and our elected government, MPs do your duty to the people that elected you.
As a Bulgarian living in Bulgaria Who visits Britain as a tourist once in a while I think this article is not fair, on the very verge of bigoted, and finally simply stupid. It would not be stupid if it offered any insight about the number of Bulgarians and Romanians living on benefits in Britain, compared to the number of Bulgarians and Romanians working and paying their taxes in Britain. I am sure you will be surprised, Mr. Littlejohn, if you only do your homework. Yes, there will be people moving to Britain in pursuit of better jobs and better life after 2014 but please do not use them as an excuse for your discontent with any faults in British legislature or public funds management.
The only advertising campaign Britain needs to embark upon is one that says "We are bankrupt, so bugger off".
Do you know that here in Bulgaria out in the villages and even Dobrich city you can walk the streets at night without any hassle? I have never seen a person walking around drunk in the streets or any trouble of any kind. The teenagers have respect for their elders and are polite, sure they wear hoodies but for the protection from the cold but nothing sinister about them. The reason for this is because they have a real sense of community and family values and respect for others.Yes we have crime here just like the UK but they are just thieves but not violent the way they are in the UK, and yes the Mafia are here but I have never come across them.So in essence if the Bulgarians knew what a violent dangerous place the UK is where there is no values or a sense of community or respect for others then I think all the benifits of living in the UK would eveporate from their minds.I for one would not move back to the UK unless I had to.
The Goverment and all its agencies are sticking their heads in the ground. They either cannot or will not do anything about these people coming into the UK with full knowledge of how to receive benefits and handouts. The people have had enough
Why not! the Government think were all thick.
Re Bulgarian and Romanian future immigrants; spot on!!
Save the money. No Welfare benefits, No medical, No housing. Support yourselves financially for 3 years. End of Story
don't advertise about the weather advertise how the sick are being treated in hospitals how nhs killed thousands by blonder how as steals innocent children from other parents
Do these beggars have access to the media?
Littlejohn for Prime Minister campaign...vote here
Not required........just restrict the number that can enter. Easy and simple. No need to make things hard just get tough!
How is it that a Romanian or Bulgarian who has never worked, lived or visited England be intitled to claim any benefit. The deterrent should be, if you can't communicate in English, have no skills or value to Britain. Chances are your going to starve or die from hypothermia on a lonely city street. That would make a few think twice.
I Have a better campaign, Sorry were full this Government has already given away everything. Try Germany. Vote Ukip for a true say on Immigration.
Its not enough to simply tut tut about the miscarriage of justice in sex cases I suggest writing to your MP asking that they be reviewed
They will still come here. The benefits are just too great to ignore.... and hey, what's a little cold and rain when they can get free everything from the British taxpayers.? I'm still voting UKIP.
The supposed deterrant to immigrants Shows how detatched from reality this government is How much I wonder did the relavent department pay the experts who suggested this worthless advice
This article is very well written as well as sarcastic and hilarious. I actually enjoyed reading it. Dear British citizen, no need to worry about this 'invasion' because there is no way that in a few months over 250,000 of Romanians and Bulgarians will invade your country (although some politicians said that there will be millions which is the most retarded thing I have ever heard and clearly irrelevant). There is a possibility of student numbers to rise a bit but what's wrong with students? We come here in peace and behave because we consider your country a model for the university profile that any country should look after, which is a good thing. Kind regards, A lovely Romanian student P.S.: And for the weather, nobody is perfect :)
If you screw this up and let them all in, I guarantee you that people will be voting UKIP when they go to the polls.. consider this a warning shot for all the three main parties and the MPs that read this.
What do they plan to highlight in the advertising campaign? The economic downturn? well that would be just like shooting oneself in the foot!
This a quizz ? Question number 1 : Begging in Bulgaria or benefits in Belgravia? Begging in Bulgaria, LOL...... Sorry sir the answer was Benefits in Belgravia. Next question please.
I cry for this country am only 24 but even I can notice a difference in this country in ten years. Such a shame that this nation was once great
Why not just tell them - No house, no benefits, no schooling and no healthcare. Just stop it now. What can the EU do? We, the voters have had enough.
The ONLY thing that will put them off is to tell them they will NOT get any benefits. Why are our taxes being used to feed, house and clothe half of eastern europe. Enough is enough and we must put an end to it now.
But "Benefits Britain" makes the "sacrifice" worth it. They can build a new house back home on what they'll be getting here.
This country was, and is being systematicaly destroyed by the open door policy of Bliar & his cohorts. Cameron has done NOTHING to redress the balance,nor will he!
All these Romanians and Bulgarians coming to Britain will be able to get benifits and free medical help,but as a pensioner who paid taxes for 44 years but now living in Thailand with my familly ,i get no yearly pension rises and must pay for my treatment on the nhs ,some mistake surely is that fair?
You have a very smug face Richard. You look like you've just caught a reflection of yourself in the mirror and you are now stopping to admire it. Anyway, Somebody once commented on here that they have a friend at the home office who told them that they were only allowed to deport 1 in every 25 migrants no matter what their criminal history.
What i cant understand is the biggest crack down on imagration at the moment seems to be if you marry some one from outside the EU . If you have a foreign wife or husband from outside the EU , you have to earn more than £200000 a year pay hundreds of pounds for a visa medical on arival after another fee of hundreds of pounds and then pay for tests and if fail pay hundreds of pounds and have another test . You your parents your grandparents have been born and payed taxes in the uk . How fair is it that some one from the EU who may have married someone from the same country can also come here with no fees no tests no medical . i am not in this situation but for some one who is its got to be another kick in the teeth when they see thousands of Romanians and Bulgarian entering the UK in December .
The only things that will stop them coming is (a) they are told they cannot claim any benefits until they have been in the country for more than 2 years; (b) they will not be entitled to social housing unless they have the money to pay the rent; (c) they have to show that they are willing to work and look for work within 2 weeks of coming here; (d) any application to the ECHR as they DON'T have any say when it comes to the every day workings of our country. Because until we separate ourselves from this court and everything it stands for, which quite frankly most of the time has absolutely nothing to do with the law.
One of the greatest lies ever told by Labour regarding immigration is that immigrants pick our fruit and veg because the brits won't do it. Before the expansion of the EU our fruit and veg didn't rot in the ground, despite the constant brit-bashing there were and are plenty of willing and able brits prepared to get their hands dirty.
What rubbish about living conditions here in England to put off Romanians and Bulgarians: I live HERE, that hasn't put me off or tens of millions of other Brits. What you should be writing about instead, is of camoron's desire to get Turkey into the EU, as re-affirmed in his mid-term report earlier this month. If you think it's going to be bad next year, you won't want to live in Britain when the Turks are allowed into the EU.
YEAH AND YOU DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS..... WHO HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME.....
JUST HAVE TO VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
This is the Labour Party's legacy. All the main parties are committed to the status quo, only UKIP seem to be willing to make a change.
Why have these people been put through the ATOS system? this government put the elderly, terminally ill the disabled through one hell of a farcical process to asses their eligibility for benefits most had to go to appeal as the Health Care Professionals where given a financial inducement to fail a given number, yet these people trawl into the u.k....supplied with translators, benefits clearly explained, forms filled out for them, no:1 priority for housing.......... Where's the English people help in all this??? ask I.D.S. + Company. RED ARROW THIS DM YOU WONT/DONT LIKE PRINTING THE TRUTH.
This is why our country is on its knees.Vote U.K.I.P its the only way to get our country back.
Cheers Tone. Thanks for nothing.
NOTE.... The Australians do not cost much.... and it is now so hard for Australians to move to the UK....BUT former axis enemies can just waltz in and get every conceivable benefit there is. MMmmmmm who won the war? mmmm.
UKIP VOTE UKIP How worse can it BE? This story makes me spit blood
The bottom line is this,,,,, We are getting screwed and the people who are responsible for doing it are our own politicians. If you want to stop being shafted then vote for new politicians or it will continue as the present lot really don't care.
Our only hope is UKIP this is getting out of hand can't wait for the next election day Nigel your defo getting my vote.
Are you reading this Jamie Oliver?
I'm born and bred in England and have to prove i earn 18,600 to bring my Canadian wife here...so two non Brits have more rights than me it seems in my own country...all wrong
Does this mean that my £23 a week pension is all that I get after working all those years in England??? Maybe I should become a benefits tourist and see if it improves.
I am a Brit, born and bred. Worked all my life until 6 years ago, some 35 years paying all taxes and NI. Left the UK for some sunshine, but chose not to stay in Europe. End result? If I come home, which I may have to if the Middle East does not calm down (and I do not have a regular salary tax free), if I am forced to return to the UK, I can get no benefits at all! None, no job seekers, no housing benefit, no free health care, I cannot even see a GP without having to pay privately. I am a Brit, fully paid up and reports like this really get to me! It explains why every time I get a bit nearer pension age, they increase it.
When I moved to France, I had to produce bank statements and documentation to show that I was self supporting...why does the UK not do this????????
This hurts me!!! It cuts my vain!
Too easy for them - make them pay their own way or get out,
What on earth can we do to get these so called political idiots to LISTEN to us, The people are crying out to be heard, Nobody is listening, SO to get our voice heard, VOTE U.K.I P. I cannot see any other way, They are our only chance to change BRITAIN..
Go to Woodgreen it's full of them
Time to start the big reversal
More leeches to include on your Tax Returns under 'DEPENDENTS'!
Change the free movement rules if a citizen of another country claims benefits or healthcare from here or a different country that country can claim the money back from the country they are from. Would save billions.
Yes but the bring so much from their country to ours! Mainly it's their debt. We need to get out of the EU and start getting this country back to how it was before they were letting any poor member of the club in.
Nigel Farage is one of the few politicians that are right about Syria,benifits and the EU I reckon it will be only a matter of time before UKIP is the third largest party in the UK
GET THEM OUT!
Anyone not voting UKIP next chance?
WELL DONE LABOUR..
KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU
Keep up the good work Dave, your playing right into Nigels hands, he and his party are getting closer to governing our country with every decision you make.
In the end those of who work will be starving in order to feed those who live off us. Never, in the history of our nation, has such cruelty been perpetrated against the British people. God help us.
Soon you will turn into Canada where we are taxed to death!!!!! This is all to the people that move to a country that has good social benefits like being paid money for having children. These people move and just sit and live for free while the hard working class pays for their life long vacation. Not to mention their population grows, they try to change the societies rules and spread their religion!!! I hope your government is different than ours!
some of u are saying the Syrian chemical attack is propaganda, then I guess this story is too.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
This has been going on for years now and nothing is done. Forget Syria and Ian and tackle the real problems that the normal englishman has to endure every day. We arer eally not as generous and soft as david would like us to be.
"I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life." - sorry to rubbish this comment but my friend has lived in Spain for 30 years and with regard to the benefits system there this isn't true. Firstly you are expected to pay into their system for 5 years. If you are made redundant, by law the company has to give you 2 years salary as a payoff. You then get unemployment benefit for up to 2 years if you have made 5 years contributions, after that you are on your own. No job and you don't eat, it's as simple as that. My friend was made redundant 3 years ago and used his redundancy money to start a language school when his dole ran out. He is English and cannot believe how easy the benefits system is over here, his partner's husband left her with a 14 month old baby and she told me there are virtually NO benefits for single mothers in Spain so she had no option but to go back to work.
It needs to be taken out of MPs salaries, not the rest of us poor peoples!!!
So the scrounger rhetoric and attacks on disabled benefits was done out of ignorance of true facts, wonderful. I hope the govt intend to apologise to those whose lives they have severely had an impact on with their propoganda. Nothing like the truth is there.
Forget UKIP. They are a load of wimps. Be PROUD of your beliefs and vote for that other ultra-right wing party.
Keep paying suckers, I had enough and emigrated years ago!
It will have doubled by the end of next year. The UK has become the world's dustbin. Time for action.
Sink the ship.
Is it any wonder,the country is in such a mess?It isn't just Benefits,the largess covers:Housing,education,NHS,GPs,Social Services etc,etc,and we have more to come in 2014.Happy New Year.
why not give them benefits equal to what they would revieve in their own country and recoup from that said country?
41% in 5 years..peanuts ! compared what it will be in the NEXT year.
only in this pathetic, useless cowardly nation can this abuse happen. No wonder everyone laughs at us. Cameron needs to concentrate on this rather than Syria
Does anyone know how these EU treaties work? Is it possible for unemployed British people to go to Germany or Denmark for example and get benefits there? They would be a lot higher there but have not heard of anyone doing it. Surely if we have to pay benefits to EU citizens here, UK citizens would be able to get benefits in EU countries.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27 I am sure you are a nice, charming, simple person, but your ignorant simplicity is beyond belief.
This is out of control, when will someone have the balls to do something about it.
AND TO THINK THAT DAVIE BOY WANTS TO SOLVE SYRIA'S PROBLEMS WHEN HE CANNOT SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF THIS COUNTRY - ROLL ON UKIP
VOTE NIGEL, VOTE UKIP, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Just why are we supporting these people, we must be the only country in the world you can arrive in and be given handouts. The welfare state was never meant to be abused in this way. Is there no one in government who has the backbone to stop it?
are we just going to sit back and take this ??
Is either the EU or the NHS being Privitised. I know that I want!
Come on Conservatives! You keep complaining about what Labour did to the country, but you've barely done anything to fix it.
Utter madness, it is because of such things that I vote UKIP, because they will put a stop to this madness, so come on people, vote UKIP..!!!
You have two choices in 2015: Vote UKIP or, get more of this. That is it.
Absolutely shocking that we have stooped so low as to be the dumping ground of the world. We have to bring down this government and get Nigel Farage to sort things out. No-one else will do it.
Why do we let them in if they can't support themselves? And why is our government such a pathetic soft touch?
Totally fed up with facts like this. Anyone else?
We all knew this didn't we......That's why we are backing UKIP.....
YEAH AND ALL BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME..... TREAT THEM THE SAME!
I'm an ex pat living in Canada who worked in the UK for many years. My pension that I paid into is frozen and will never increase as pensioners in the UK , USA , and EU countries get their increases. However it irks me to read just how many non UK nationals get millions in benefits and have never contributed to the system. I'm hurt and confused by such crazy double standards that doesn't allow ex pats in commonwealth countries the same benefits as those in other countries, or even those with no ties to the UK! I feel like a second class Brit! Homesick Vancouver Island
i am simply FEDUP. both my husband and i have worked full time for some 30-40 years, but when he was made redundant in his early 60s, other than 6 months of jobseekers allowance, we have not been able to get any help at all as we have been careful and paid for our house and i have my pension!? when will it be more fair, that those who have paid into the system should benefit not all and sundry who are just benefits tourists...
Perhaps Jamie Oliver could employ them all
I know of an Italian man ,who went to the UK 10 years ago, worked for a few months, and gave up working to travel around the country living with men he had met on the internet, and sometimes even going abroad to live with them for short periods .He isn't working, and in the past only has kept down jobs for very short periods of time. He gets unemployment pay, free healthcare and housing allowance, even though he lives with a "partner" who is a house owner. Would UK citizens get these payments if they decided they would like to live in Italy ??
MADNESS _ The only ones who have the answer to it are UKIP
I think we are being well and truly shafted, with the consent and endorsement of our own politicians.
stand by for tax increases and fuel tax to go up to pay for this and the syrian madness.
Everyone, come to Britain and get a FREE HOLIDAY! All you have to do, is turn up, and when you run out of money, they will give you accommodation, food and spending money. For as long as you want.
When will somebody put a stop to this madness? If Cameron put as much time and effort into dealing with this monumental problem as he does into gathering support for his attacks on Syria, then maybe the British public would be happier!
The British government is too spineless to stand up for this country in case anyone is offended. Why can't they remember that they were elected to fight for what's best for Britain, not for what's best for those who want to come here.
So much for cracking down on benefit seekers. The only thing that will save the UK is a revolution and mass hanging of politicos.
Well we're all to blame for this for just sitting back and sulking about it as it's easier than marching every day. British grit yeah right!!
the end is nigh
The USA is the land of the free the UK is the land of the freebee.
Oh but remember the rhetoric "they're good for the country" my question is Which Country???
Margaret Thatcher's infamous 1978 statement that Britain was ¿being swamped by alien cultures¿. 1978!!!! the warning signs were there almost 40 years ago!
We have to stop this migration. And we need real politicians who are prepared to do that and defy these ill-considered EU diktats.
As a pensioner [ war pensioner at that ] I could see it coming, and that prat wants to get us involved in Syria, give me strength. Please,please vote UKIP and so get us out of the EU and Convention of Human Rights, I've only got a few more years, but at least I feel I would die free as I was born free. gizzie vote UKIP
The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians . - Beth , Kent, 29/8/2013 Third rate? You rate them too highly.
Vote UKIP
RE.....This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!! - paulsmith , sheffield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 ...........Actually Paul they've ignored us for so long now I believe it's our only option. I class myself as a decent person but my forefathers fought and died for this country and their will be nothing left for my child so I feel rioting is our only way forward.
No-one should be able to claim benefits until they have contributed for a minimum of 1 year.
Utter and total madness. Where will it all end? When we are completely bankrupt.
Same happening anywhere else in western Europe, only option, close borders again, it can't happen quick enough. 2014 will be even worse...
No British passport = no benefit, simple as that
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership.
I dare not write my comment
Government has made it too easy to apply for benefits, no wonder the country is struggling. They need to get independent assessors involved. Even the job centre gives out advice telling them to go to the doctor with some pain to get a sick note. Its fully known, that people from the EU come and get the benefits and spend most of their time back in their own country but getting hand outs from here. There is no stamping of the passport for entry and leaving the country either, therefore it is not known whether they are actually in the country or not. Unfortunately this reflects badly on the people who are from the EU who genuinely want to work.
This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!!
And the vast majority will have never contributed a penny....................
Marek, 12:47 = Correct.
one thing for sure DAVE will not tackle the problem U K I P will
EU workers are coming in truck loads every day and that guy in charge is busy preparing for a war, what a joke!
Reports like this drive me mad We have worked hard all our lives and now in retirement still pay taxes because we saved for our old age. Our children have always worked and are now struggling to educate their children at university and yet these people can come here and get and expect handouts. The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians .
Steve, 12:38 = Or like me its their day off, maybe you have no job after all look at the time you posted.
what is asia and middle east? show them under separate category as they are in no way related
We all know that it's wrong so why don't the government do something about it?
Sooo this we know but what is the government doing about it?? Never mind Syria this should take president!!
vote UKIP, split the Tory vote and let Labour back in? You got to be joking. Labour created this mess to start with
What is the saying about, "Shutting the stable door ?", the UK's should have been locked before the EU opened it.
VOTE UKIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they come here; they breed adding work to the NHS; claim child benefits....then their children are British...clever isn't it...doesn't take a lot to work out the logic
400,000 doesnt sound a lot right? Check this out. Quick Calc per year - assuming each are jobless for one year. 400,000 people x £56 pw per person x 4.4 weeks in a month (average) = £1176 million a year job seekers + housing benefit of at least £400 (pp average) = 160 million tax credits £150 each child (say 2) £1440 million + lack of tax as they wont be working = £1000 (a conservative guess) = £400 million + Use of NHS, Doctors, Schools = 10-30k each = 12,000 million = £15,000 Million , or £15 billion wasted on nothing but unwanted unskilled workers? All for skilled labor, but we cant even train our own youth. I need to say no more. Simple as this - No contributing, no taking. Stay here for 5 years a minimum before even claiming the most basic of allowances. We are not the Homeless Hostel of Europe. We ned to protect ourselves against our own goverment, and the EU. I think i speak for everybody here!!
Tell us something we don't already know!!
Absolutely disgusting, get them out .................. vote UKIP
Not long before Brits are a minority
AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
@ 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published beca
It's easy..... UKIP. Fours letters!
Must be the only country in the world that welcomes anyone in without a job or savings and have more rights than a Brit .... I'm British and have to prove income of 18,600 to have my Canadian wife here
Here we go again; the same old story. You'd think a democratically elected government would, say on behalf of the citizens that vote and keep them in their jobs, ensure that nobody is allowed to settle here unless they are able to support themselves and would have to consequently sign a document understanding that no benefits are payable for 10 years. If a government is there on behalf of the taxpayers then what's the problem. My guess is they've got themselves tied up in human rights laws of which they did'nt have a clue about in the first place.I wonder, sometimes, what really is the point of voting.
Let Jamie Oliver take them on he seems to like employing them.
VOTE UKIP!!!
ONE ANSWER, UKIP
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.- Alex, Mansfield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:28.........People in need that can afford weapons are not starving. They just need to get their priorities right.
The figures does not include the child related benefits for non-resident children living in Eastern Europe. To speed up the payments the last Liebour government paid these benefits into Bank Accounts in Eastern Europe without verification because the checking system was returning blanks or taking far too long.
We need to wake up, we are in a decent into poverty we cant even imagine, look at japan 10.5 trillion in debt and that country could go under at any time taking everything with it, look at boston look at california, look on you tube, do your research.... This will not end well and our governments are just trying to hide the reality.. Vote with your feet avoid places that use a labour force you don''t approve of, I need a dentist but cant find an English one, I refuse to use anyone else.. I only support English workers.. If you don't like the banking system use it to pay the bills and take every other penny out, get a safe, make your mark before its to late although I believe it already is....
Whilst punishing our OWN.
Don't how they come here and claim , my wife is Canadian and we have to prove I work with income 18,600.... I must be doing something wrong
Who is this headline not 500.000 FORIGN scroungers shirkers and idle layabouts not the headline here?
Chuck them all out.
£1,000,000,000 / 400,000 = £2,500 and NOT £480,000! So BILLIONS is quite possible Dave HULL 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper. - Lisa, Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56
Come the next general election most people will still vote for the party's responsible for this and doing nothing about it. How many of those having a moan are still going to vote lib/lab/con? you vote for these politicians so blame yourself , or do something about it and VOTE UKIP.
THis is where the Government should be making there cuts, Not punishing its own people to pay for people that have no right to take out money in benefits. Thats why they all flock here there thousands. Free ride and they dont even have to work who wouldnt do it.
Don't forget the big issue sellers who class themselves as self employed so they can get into the UK in the first place.
LUNACY
Dear left, Up yours for running this country into the ground, I live in hope the revolution is just around the corner.
I don't think people understand! This political system is in place to destroy the UK. I know its hard to believe or get your head round it, but just what has and is happening to our country. YOU HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY!
When the dust settles on the Syria issue, this story needs to be headline news. Labour need a good "bashing" on this issue and Cameron needs to explain what he has been doing for the last 3 years! I call on Godfrey Bloom to make a "colourful comment" to bring the issue to the public attention!
I am from Eastern Europe and I totally get why you British get angry. It's way too easy to get benefits in the UK. I met people who who came here just to apply for benefits and now live a great life back in their countries getting money from the UK. I really hope that the UK government sorts this out. It's not fair!!!
We need to stop paying benefits to new arrivals and make sure that they have paid into the system for 2 years before we start paying benefits.
Thats between £50-£70 being spent each week on these people. This could have so many of OUR people who are dying of thirst in hospitals. Hire a few extra staff, pay for more police men on our streets to make it safer.
So it turns out the "old" Westen Europe draws way more benefits from the UK than Easten Europe and there's never a word about them, oh I forgot, they are a better class of people.
Can anybody tell me, what other countries, anywhere in the world, pays out non-contributory benefits? I think that the answer id NONE!
What is so difficult about just turrning the clock back - and everything with it - to pre EU?
I just hope to NEVER again see the day that Labour are back in power being the catalyst for all this migration in the first place
LEAVE EU NOW!
I think if you are applying for benefits within a year of arriving you should be given a one way ticket home not benefits for the next x years.
I wish I could wind back the clock , not ever worked paid tax or had my own home .... if only I had known ...
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here. - hammy, Ayr, 29/8/2013 12:32 Interesting! Where do you live??
'How are they allowed to settle in this country with not job or means of support'. Ask your LIEBOR party, they are the ones who signed up to this, not to mention the EU Human Rights Bill. 'Teflon' Tony's Legacy. You have noticed he DOESN'T live in this country now HE, screwed it up.
the only power in politics the working class has is the vote, remember this when it comes next.
These anti-welfare comments were written during working hours, which means the people commenting haven't got a job, or have got a job but have such a poor work ethic they would rather waste time surfing the net.
Why not make the process of signing onerous on the recipient with randomly generated appointments (via SMS) that requires a recipient to attend an interview within 60 mins, 3 non-shows and no benefits. We have to get tough with the process it is not an endless pit of money!
UKIP
man up someone sort this mess out !!!! it will only get worse ..... help Nigel help !
i could rant on but gets me het up worked since 15 and still wating for my pension
in germany you would not grant the citizenship if you ever claimed . all other europeans coutries only pay benefit for 6 months so why britain is different than the other EU. its not their (claimants ) fault if British like to handout generously and its not illegal so what is the big fuss about
I quiet fancy 10 days in 'others and unknown'........must pop down to the jobless centre and see what they can cobble together !!
Well underestimated, like all Government figures.... we need the money to Bomb Syria back to the stoneage.... Oh they want to live in stoneage, sorry
Read Richard Littlejohn's advice to John Redwood when he was after the leadership all those years ago.That would win ANY election.
And more and more are arriving..Meanwhile hospitals and A and E units are closing, takes two weeks to get an appointment to see a GP(outrageous!!), waiting at A and E is in excess of 5 hours and soon they will be closing, hospital car parking is ridiculously expensive....etc etc...and war is on the horizon....politicians and leaders have a lot to answer for....and the electorate keep voting them in again and again....I will vote UKIP.. They can't be any worse.
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here.
@PMC Incapacity Benefit is indeed means-tested, but it has been abolished and replaced by ESA, which can be contributory or non-contributory.
This government and the last have made a right mess, ruined our way of life, its disgusting what they have done to us, that is why from now own I will always vote UKIP
I wonder of I went to live on another country, lets say Spain...... Would I be entitled to any benefits or housing?! Hmmmm I'm thinking probably not!
As I know, all the people claimed for any kinds of benefits need to check them legal identity and qualify for the benefit system accepted, otherwise it will decline automatically. I think it's not right to criticize anyone or government, because the benefit system set up must be approved and followed by law legally.
It is staggering how this situation has been allowed to develop. This should be headline news, not risking further loss of British lives in areas that don't and will never want us and our form of democracy. Remove from the UK anyone who has entered the UK in the last 50 years and not paid in or cannot prove they have benefited the country in some meaningful way.
I wish I had never worked or paid tax or NI that's a bloody fact!
think all eyes will be on you mr farage to sort out the stupidity of the other 3 parties that have failed there country.
Look on the bright side. If every single one of them is on benefits, they can't be taking any of our jobs.
if you get more sitting home why work ?
Put private investigators in charge of looking for anyone working in the offices of these government departments helping the many get benefits that shouldn't even be in the country.
Yet my disable wife with 3 major back operations, living on a cocktail of drugs, who hasn't slept a full night for twenty years because of the pains gets not a penny even though she has worked since leaving school 35 years ago. What a sh*/te country.
athaidream , Don Mueang-Bangkok, 29/8/2013 11:51.....You can not blame Labour (it is still happening under the Conservatives) As hondonroy , alicante, Spain, 29/8/2013 11:57 points out neither can you blame the EU as Spain is in the EU and will not pay benefit to anyone who has not contributed to the System !
well if your govt keeps giving it like candy, it will be taken...like candy! I feel sorry for you Brits!
NOBODY should be allowed to come in from another country and claim UK benefits/taxes, no debate end of story.
Incapacity benefit is only payable to people who have been in work and paid their NI contributions. Same for contribution-related JSA. If they've worked and paid their stamps, they are as entitled as anyone else and it's not a "handout". Half the story as usual from the DM.
How come NON EU citizens get benefits?..seems to be a come one, come all get your free money here.
The truth is our Country is near bankrupt ,we do not have the money for this,but the political establishment is so far out of touch with reality as to be a danger to every Man/Woman/Child in our Country,the Con/Lab/Lib are unfit for purpose,the only hope left is UKIP.!!!
Thanks again Tony, for destroying this country. Your legacy ' to change the social structure of the country' lives on......how can you sleep at night?
surprise surprise, no sign of this story on the BBC!
How and why were they allowed to settle in this country if they have no job or means of support?
we would not get anything in their country, one day this country may be ruled by British people FOR British people instead of making us live by other countries rules that accommodate what seems like everyone except us .... and don't get me started on the joke that is called British Law....
and the government seems quite happy for this ROBBERY to continue.this and the tax avoidance from companies is destroying the living standards of the british because of the tax burden that only they pay . its a national disgrace and only UKIP will do anything to stop it.
the truth is out they are scroungers
Yawn. It's a lovely day. A nice pub lunch is called for. Wonder if that good-looking, polite, hard-working, always cheerful "newcomer" barmaid will be working today.
Surprise surprise!! We all knew this was coming but the government was in denial.
time to scrap all welfare payments
Why weren't we consulted.....its...OUR..bloody money they are giving away.
Personaly I think if you come to this country in any shape form or way you shouldn't be entiled to claime for the first at least four years, If you come here either have enough money to support yourself saved OR have a garantour in this country like Australia do , I also don't just mean beneifits I think this should apply to medical, school etc..
Really!! Well knock me down with a feather
can't wait to get to Britain with my 26 kids
Absolutely disgusting.
It depends what benefits we are talking about here - eg housing benefit, tax credits for working people and so on. After all only 3% of the total benefit bill goes on the full time unemployed. Most people who claim some form of benefits are actually in work, but low paid. And besides, there are very strict criteria for benefit entitlement. So: this is needless scaremongering, effectively propaganda.
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win. - Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53 ------- Wrong Steve, the Tory voters are too stupid to realise that they will split the UKIP vote and let Labour win.
More good (not!!) and possibly related news: "Net migration to the UK increased in the year ending December 2012, the Office for National Statistics says.Latest figures show net migration rose to 176,000 - up from 153,000 people in the year to September 2012". --BBC News Online.
Vote UKIP.mnot going to post a comment I because DM never print itf freedom of speech is now gone.
I live in Spain and I can tell you that you CANNOT CLAIM ANY MONEY from the state if you have not got a job or you are incapacitated unless you have PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and that's a FACT.So all you MP'S get off your LAZY BACKSIDES do your job properly, keep out of the commons bars and EARN your keep or believe me you will REAP what you SOW at the next election if the BRITISH PUBLIC have got any B**LS.
On pay day I may as well just open my window, take most of my pay, and throw it outside.
Aren't 99.99% of Brits on benefits?
This is not your money Cameron! Its us tax payers
I hope those who voted LibLabCon aren't complaining
UKIP PLEASE end this madness. Clearly Cons and Leibor cant.
UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! There is no other way!!
DM, why is this not headline news? This should be on the front page of EVERY paper, not in page 5 etc. Come on DM lets get this debate in parliament going, lets get the politicians talking about this, and explaining to the british people what they are gonna do about it?
This is something more important that's needing sorted out, rather than trying to start up yet another war! Priorities?
Would all Labour voters please put their hands up and identify themselves as being the people top blame for this farcical situation. NO benefits until you have lived in the UK and paid tax and NI for at least 5 years,NO exceptions.
IfCameron can find the zip to get his warmongering camouflage off - - there is work to be done little fella. Get on with it or resign.
How politicians can sleep i don't know. This utter madness ha got to stop.....UKIP UKIP UKIP!
stop housing and free nhs and stop benefits to these scroungers,i resent my taxes paying these people
When I sponsored my husband for his spouse visa 13 years ago he got a great big stamp in his passport which said "NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS" and my son is presently sponsoring his wife for a spouse visa and he has to prove that he can support her and has suitable housing for her so she will not need to claim benefits (which she does not want to do anyhow) How come all these people can even get benefits?? Seems one rule for one and one for another...
TIME WE GOT OUT OF THE EU DONT YA THINK? STUPID IDEA GOING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TONY BLAIR N HIS ILK HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR THATS FOR SURE. THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THESE ALIENS COMING INTO A COUNTRY THAT CAN ILL AFFORD BENEFITS FOR OUR OWN PENSIONERS ETC. TIME FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AS WELL, VOTE UKIP, SEE HOW THEY GET ON, HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN CAMERHOLIDAYEVERYWEEKON.
I could never understand why countries were still lining up to join the EU when it seemed to be such a train wreck. Now it becomes crystal clear what the 'benefits' of membership are...........
And these people get exactly the most they can get because they have translators who know how the system works. A British person has to fill in the form their self so they get more then you as we have no one to help us who know how to work the system.
lib/lab/con not fit for purpose. time for change. vote DOPE Death Of Political Elite
stop all benefits for people who were not born here.
Makes me sick... Thats all
Nobody pay benfits just like that, you must prove you are resident. DM article is pure twaddle as usual.
I think we should give them even more money so they can buy houses/flats and then eventually find jobs, This is the only way the economy will grow.
Jamie Oliver has vacancies. Minimum wage and all the scraps you can eat. Non Britons preferred.
This I think you'll probably find is the real reason the welfare state is failing , time now for IDS to stop his one man crusade against the sick and disabled of the country and started addressing this problem instead.
so now the truth is out they come here to scrounge
Like that's a suprise?
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - GrahamC, Dorset, 29/8/2013 6:14... When people stop voting for CON/LAB/LIB idiots.. Only then do we stand a chance of saving this once Great Country.
Years ago you had to have paid into the system for at least one year to qualify for any benefit . My brother was ill and tried to claim because he couldn't work, mum was told that he was her responsibility as he didn't have enough stamps, she only received £4.50 a week widows pension - the rates on the house were £5.00 per week. So, how come these people can claim anyway .
"400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.- Lisa , Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56">>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.............Lisa.......... I take it maths wasn't your strong suit in School? 400,000 people each receiving say £10,000 a year would be £4 billion. to quote you:-" Shame on you!"
If you or your parents haven't paid IN then you should get nothing OUT. End of.
And here is me struggling to pay childcare for my son. Unbelievable!
And Mr Carney says that interests rates wont rise until unemployment is at a sensible level well with millions coming here each year the you can say goodbye to any reasonale interest rates as the new comers are all unemployed thats why they get benefits.
VOTE UKIP
Lisa , Rochdale ........do your maths again , a billion these days is one thousand million. Just put a paltry three zeros on 400,000 and see what you get .
Time we had decent government, someone who will listen to the people, enough is enough. Politicians like Boris would bring loads more if he could. Totally mad!
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now - george , cornwall, 29/8/2013 10:55 ------ Sadly true my friend.
LEECHES, they have Contributed NOTHING, yet they expect EVERYTHING. VOTE UKIP and End this Madness.
Outrageous and should be addressed urgently. What right do these people think they have to funding by our own taxpayers. A total disgrace.
No surprises there then! It's all SO predictable. Mass migration on the scale allowed by Labour was bound to lead to this because UK benefits are SO generous and easily available. UKIP is the only answer now.....
One word - "OUTRAGEOUS!"
SORT THIS PROBLEM OUT-NOT SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple vote UKIP these traitors will never get my vote again!
So our pensioners who have worked and dutifully paid their taxes will be surviving on a pittance whilst people with no ties to the country will receive benefits greater than our pensioners. Our once great and fair country has been destroyed by self serving traitorous politicians who do not give one jot for the people.
Until 3 years ago I was under the impression, along with millions of other women, that I would be receiving my state pension at 60. I must now wait until I am 66 despite the fact that at 60 I shall have 41 years of NI contributions. For a full state pension, 35 years is required. Why then, must people in my situation have to carry on for another 6 years to qualify? At this rate the workers will never get their pension as it will have all gone to the increasing numbers of people coming in.
If I were an employer I would have to pay a heavy penalty if they found out that I employed people with no right to work here, but by the same token my corporation tax has increased in order to support these people. It looks like either way an employer is always at a disadvantage.
Shut the gates now!!! and anyone who's moved here in the last 3 years - even those who've had families need to go back to their own country. It's the only solution.
I trust IDS will get to the bottom of this but we must back him.
So now we know where all the benefits are going.They say the British are benefit scroungers, here is proof.
We should ask all of them to help us fight wars see how quick they leave mate !!
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 (Not 480,000) a year for it to be 1 billion ... where did you go to school?
how about giving them the same benefits they would recieve from their own country, and 'claim' from the said country. When one complains, you can argue that they ae not being persecuted in this country!
I find it rather difficult to believe these figures reason being, to the best of my knowledge, you'll need to have an indefinite stay to claim whatever benefits. Otherwise, your visa clearly states 'No recourse to public funds'. So how do these ones get these said benefits they aren't entitled to? I was on maternity leave for 9 months and didn't collect a penny from the government. Simply because my visa says no recourse to public funds ! I have NEVER claimed a dime from whatever source either cos I know I'm not entitled to them. So where do all these come from? How do pple who aren't eligible get them? I think you lot should be asking the authority some real questions. Sorry for the long post.
People voted for Politicians, but please do the right choice again voting with your eyes open widely!
I thought they were all hard working, more so than people in the UK apparently (according to the DM and it's majority readership) and were prepared to do any job for peanuts that was being refused by the British? Don't believe the media people, we all know the truth, we can see it for ourselves because there are thousands of them hanging about in city centres all day long.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
I understand people who live within the EU can claim benefits, but why are people from the rest of the world? I thought if you were outside the EU then you could not claim benefits? THAT is outrageous.
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 a year for it to be 1 billion... where did you go to school?
This is the real problem, not civil servants who contribute getting a half decent pension after working for over 45 years.
SEND ALL OF THEM TO JAMIE OLIVER HE WILL GIVE THEM A JOB, PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thanks Tony Blair.
I think the handful of people who actually go out to work in the UK should group together and leave the UK for 5 years. During this time the benefits will dry up completely as will the dole dossers main food sources, ie McDonalds and supermarket ready meals. We can then come back and start a fresh, building an enormous fence along the full length of our southern border to stop any more beggars coming in and trying to milk us dry.
Welcome to the U.K. the dustbin of Europe EU send all your crap here we love them.
Given their privileged upbringings, our govt members should take advice from us. They have no idea what to do and no experience of life on low wages, etc. I like your ideas Mark R. Whatever is done, it has to be seen to be fair across all inhabitants of the UK. I'd also go so far as to suggest removing a lot of cash benefits payments from people deemed able to work, but who choose not to. There should be a different name for JSA for people who've lost their jobs (which they were in for a specific amount of time - not days) and they could receive cash benefits for a specific time period, while they look for more work. But, others who've not contributed to UK and choose the benefits lifestyle, well they should be on a scheme that involves other methods of receiving support, e.g. JSS (Job Seeker's Support): help with accommodation, clothes and food parcels, etc. Ppl on high long term benefits, including WFTC often have the same or more than a lot of average (or close to) wage earners.
Awesome, just awesome... That's all!!
In America this is an industry, taxpayers, those that actually have real jobs and pay real taxes are so broke they can barely afford toliet paper. But not so for the illegals flocking here to strike it rich at the government teat. And these are the new democrat voters.
This is no surprise, as normal people have seen this going on for years, why do you think they still keep coming in to our country. And more will still be coming. We are the tax payer paying for these parasites, what do we do? nothing. And I am one of them. I am so annoyed as to what's happening to my country, I just wish we proper English people got together, and stop this madness happening.
My father is 64 and has worked all his life until a couple of years ago when he took early retirement due to severe arthritis, he lives off his private pension yet he had to go to a meeting recently to explain why he wasn't contributing to society, this is because his NI contributions are being paid for him even though he has worked more than his 30 yrs worth, unbelievable, they seem to go after the wrong people
Sort this lot out now and get tough they are not here for the weather !!! this country has become a joke the trouble is and I quote "I am not laughing "
The government could do something about it if they wanted to but they don't. Remember, Cameron is the self-proclaimed (or rather self-confessed) heir to BLiar, whose government's aim was to bring this country down. Nobody could be so inept or stupid as to do what they've been doing to the country over such a long period without it being their intention.
Really???? Who'd have thought it?????!!!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!
Is that why British people won't get a state pension until they are over sixty seven if born after 1953. I have worked and studied and paid for for a degree whilst I worked and now I will be forced to toil until I am dropping, ditto everyone else. What do we do if we lose our job, sign on the dole at sixty five?
Not long before the whole pack of cards come tumbling down, any British taxpayer should be very concerned about this figure, this is unsustainable in the extreme.
And it will just go on Benefits to all who enter, this bunch of millionaires running the Country don't seem to care about our own people having to struggle making ends meet as long as they can set their own pay rises and claim expenses, about time they started looking after their own before throwing taxpayers money away. How much will they claim for having to return to the house to vote on war,you bet your life it will be in the thousands,and that is why they don't worry about giving benefits away to others,they have got their own money pot to dip into when they want,its a joke or should i say a disgrace they way the country is being run.
And the elderly people of this country who have worked all their lives are put on the Liverpool Death pathway . Something very wrong with this so called Christian country that is killing it own people off when they get to a certain age and need hospital treatment.
Make sure all forms are in English and no other languages. In France all paperwork has to be completed in French not the language of your choice! Why are we so daft?
- theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 10:37 Couldnt have put it better myself!
Britains welfare system is unsustainable. Something has got to give at some point. Maybe this is part of the master plan. Allowing anybody who turns up on our door step access to our welfare system has no basis in logic Therefore, politicians must have some intelligence, I think its back to the pre 1940's for Britain.
What happened to all the comments between 6.20 and 10.26 ?
400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now
get rid then simple as that
I've worked for nearly 40yrs, and have been on the sick for 6 months and they have said I'm entitled to £1:52 a week because my partner earns £100 a week. Then they throw money at people who have never paid a penny into the system. I've paid in all my life and get nothing, , it's all wrong you should have to pay in before you take out.
Thanks to blair /brown we,re going to be paying the price for a long time.
Interesting people from outside the EU claiming benefits outnumber EU members by at least two to one, makes a mockery of those people claiming that it is the EU that is pushing the benefits bill through the roof.
Should not all the middles eastern men of fighting age be going back to fight for their countries.....or will they just leave it to us as usual?
And my Father of 96 and he was a rear gunner in the war, can't even get anything free. Why are we taking this?
Why on earth are people from these countries entitled to benefits from our Government?! British people who are born and bred here are demonised for having to resort to benefits when they fall on hard times, yet people from as far a field as Asia are entitled. This stinks.
I work my ass of for nothing the government takes if me to give to these lazy layabouts!! Joke
This is bad!!
We as a nation of incredible privilege have a duty of care to protect these people. Whatever happened to defending the underdog? Grow a pair Britain.
"The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.- Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53"..............No. Most realise that but they are principled people who will vote for what they think best for the country come what may. Unlike the greedy, grasping and usually useless Labour voters who vote Labour as Labour have stuffed their mouths with money stolen from the pay packets of others.
You couldn't make it up, could you especially when we get b.u.g.g.e.r all abroad. What a country - what a mess
After watching the benefit program on tv the government should go back to the methods they used in 1949
Come on Tories. Make claiming benefits not pay. Less than minimum wage, no housing benefit, cap child benefit at 2.
Check all their paper work i expect it is all fake, they change their names and address daily, trust me.
How can the UK and the EU justify paying billions in benefits to foreigners who have never paid a penny into the UK system, yet stop state pension increases to those of us that choose to live abroad. Despite the fact I for one have paid in for the maximum national Insurance, we are not asking for anything we have not earned. All we want is what we are due and is legally ours. The UK should look after it's own people first, above all others.
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense. - Sandy Brown , London, 29/8/2013 10:09 Asia and Africa are not part of the EU
I don't understand something. When I had to apply for benefits help after a bout of illness left me out of a job, I had to prove that I had paid 2yrs of National Insurance, and it wasn't for this year but from 2009 and 2010. I was told I hadn;t, which wasn't true because I'd paid 20years of it, and only after a very nice man at the NI office helped me I was awarded this benefit.. So how if I a British born citizen with 20yrs of National Insurance payments was given the run around, how can these migrants, whether legal or not, get benefits? Why is it one rule for them and another for us? These people should not be here unless they are working. No-one minds someone getting a bit of extra help when needed to anyone, but if the Government is making getting benefits so much easier for migrants is it no wonder we are becoming the cesspit of Europe. If a UK resident born and bred has to prove their ability to work and pay into the pot, why aren't they?
stop both invasions cam ,if you have the balls
Today the foreigners are scroungers and tomorrow they will be stealing our jobs. Which is it?
Meanwhile my son has failed to get his C grade at English, but I notice that all those from the minorities have. In the back if every college prospectus there are offers of financial assistance to those from overseas. Well this 40% taxpayer IS LEAVING!
Four years under the Tory-Liberal coalition, you will note.
How can they check these applications for fraud? Do they check whether these people have money in the bank or property back home? Do they have foolproof identity checks and a way to check that they don't claim at more than one office? This means the eventual inevitable end of the British welfare system but this must have been the politicians' plan from the outset as it was entirely predictable.
No job or prospects = no entry! Simples!!!!!
UKIP - There is NO alternative. UKIP is the only party capable and willing to make a start on restructuring the absurdity of British taxpayers funding the rest of the world's freeloaders - which is what they are.
Wake up Camoron, Calamity Clegg & Millipede. This is a national disgrace and highlights the true cost of surrendering our sovereignty and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with; the illiterate, indolent, indigent detritus from every corner of the world and an unemployable, feral underclass.
<3vote UKIP<3
Is anyone surprised by these figures? When I started work I was to receive my pension at 60 at the moment it will be at 67 but it will probably change again by the time I get close to 67. If we didn't pay out all these billions to these scroungers perhaps the people who pay into the system could get their pensions at a reasonable age.
At this rate we will be having the same problem as Syria here in the UK...............
If they haven't put anything in the pot they shouldn't be allowed to take anything out!! It's disgusting!!
The simple answer is that any entitlement to UK benefits should be earned by paying in Tax and NI (with separate regulations for our school leavers) and that entitlement would have to be maintained by still paying Tax and NI in a certain proportion of years onvce teh initial credit has been established. 5 years of contributing to even start receiving benefits beyond genuine emergency medical treatment and education for children. EU citizens would get the lower of what they received in their home country or here until they have established sufficient tax and NI credits - but over a shorter period. Benefits would include social housing/rent allowances and Child Allowance and Job Seekers benefit would only go to thsioe made redundant from a permanent job, not to anyone here on a short term contract. Simple changes - could be put through Parliament in a few weeks and implemented ina year or less gradually being extended to people who have been here for longer.
And in the mean time True Brits like pensioners are being killed off!
And how many of them are also getting Child benefits, pensions, housing and help with council tax. Not only do we hand it out by the bucket load, we also make it nice and easy by printing every form in about 58 different languages and supply interpreters. We really are THE most stupid collection of countries in the world.
UK has to STOP paying any welfare to foreigners. If they haven't got the money to live here then they shouldn't be allowed in or if they are here a one way ticket out. The way the government allow our money to be given away like this is criminal andsome one should be made to answer.
Qualifications for claiming benefits in Britain ----Never Ever Pay IN , if you work all your life or you are disabled expect to be penalised when you need help
These people will all require pensions eventually. The consequences will be devastating.
Don't you just love our Country.....these leeches do not want to be here...they do not like the indigenous population, the only thing they want is on the gravy train....with us hardworking mugs paying for their journey....but hey...we're so multi-cultural ain't we?.....I could weep in frustration and anger!!!!!!!
So are these the lazy people who want work or are they just our people?
We all know this, it has been going on for years. Those who have contributed to the system all their working lives are the ones paying for this and struggling themselves a a result. It is down to the One World Agenda do not believe what you are fed through the mainstream media and dig deeper.
Do you think if the wars stop. (lotting foreigners countries wealth), destroying foreigners infrastructure and own livelihoods then DM would really have no story headling "foreigners" would you DM? another dose of daily prejudice.
I am an african immigrant....it states clearly on my visa and all other african immigrants visas " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS".....how then are they collecting all these benefits??/...should you be looking at the incompetent lot handing out these benefits? because i am sick of paying £1000 on tax and NI a menoth...i could do with a tax free month per calendar month. Also DM...I will like to see an article on the extortionate fees that african immigrants have to pay £1800 to renew highly skilled migrant visas every 2-3 years.....of course that will be a true and fair view article so it won't be wort your while....propaganda sells so thats all we read lately. I do not believe the figure on bit!!!!!!
wouldnt surprise if it was much higher
Wait until January 2014 you have not seen any thing yet, thousands of Romanians will arrive, bombing Syria is more important, to our goverment.
We have no duty to look after free loaders. Benefits should be reserved for citizens. Germany manages to do it, why can't we? I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life. They never have worked here or paid taxes. But yet we provide the with a place to live, food, spending money and all they do is laugh at us.
I'm glad that we are looking after these honorable people. Good luck to them!
5.88 million benefit claimants in the uk, out of which 400,000 are foreigners,the rest are britons....do the maths people.
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become. Rant over!
Correction. Singapore has the third highest GDP per head.
In the next life I want to be a seagull I feed up with being dumped on by all these scroungers
@simon kirby What's the 'whole story' then? The only thing they've left out is the numbers claiming bnefits other than JSA, which must be enormous because wages are so low in Britain now.
Can't they all work for Jamie or all they too lazy?
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become.
Thanks for nothing Liebour.
Sick , sick, sick to the back teeth of working all the hours god sends so my taxes can pay for people who DON'T even originate from here this government is a shambles pure and simple !!!!!!!!
And what, may I ask, did they expect???? These people come here for low wages which we then, very generously, top up for them!!! They don't pay tax because they don't earn enough so how do they contribute anything to our country. You can't blame them, if we are stupid enough to give them all these benefits ..................
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35............................ EVEN AMERICANS ARE ON BENEFITS LIST HERE.....why pick on only africa out of the whole lot....i guess we all know why!!!
PANIC ATTACK!
And we wonder why the country's going to the dogs?!
Benefits are for the unemployed and the disabled BRITISH population ie. the deserving poor. Not for people who choose not to work and definitely not for foreign people!! If they are going to give out benefits to foreign people, they should have to work in the UK and pay into the system for at least ten years. If they don't like it, they should go back home to wherever they came from!!
we are just setting them up for a great future
But our leaders said kicking out all the highly skilled American/Canadian/Australian workers with MA,MS, and JD degrees would stop all of this.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhh, this just makes me so mad, why are we funding them? They get free courses, free housing, free everything, yet none born here, most having paid taxes do. All wrong, Britain needs to stand up and be counted, all of us.
I have worked from the age of 15 then 7 years ago I got vaccination damage on the NHS which means I cannot now work, so what do the government do stop my benefits, I have paid into the system, they have not, something is very wrong with this country,
Every study shows that EU nationals in UK are far less likely to be claiming benefits than UK nationals and that their contribution to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and NI payments far exceeds what they take out. These figures themselves show that around three out of four non-UK nationals claiming out of work benefits are from outside the EU. At least 1.4m Brits live in other EU countries and have the same entitlements as EU citizens living here.Those entitlements do not in either case include turning up in another Member State and claiming out of work benefits without being genuinely resident, which in most cases means having worked and paid taxes in the relevant country. EU migrants who cannot demonstrate established residence - usually through a substantial working record or being a direct family member of someone with such a record - and cannot prove they can support themselves can under EU law be removed.
Day after day the proof arrives that the government, well any UK government actually, can't run any organization and especially ones that handle our tax and NI money, either handing it out in benefits or buying goods and services from the private sector for those organizations to use for our benefit, on the procurement front they don't seem to have understood what most people do that bulk buying is cheaper than each government department buying small amounts individually.
Well at-least we can spend all the money we saved in Syria & on the HS2 project...... who's doing the fiances Micky mouse..
This truly is atrocious. When is the government going to wake up to the indiscriminate leeching of our hard-earned income by immigrants. UK out of EU NOW !!!!
Screw Syria - sort out this mess first. Questions: 1 How much will our involvement in Syria cost in terms of number of hospitals funded for one year ? 2.What do we hope to get out of an involvement in it for the UK ? 3. How many people will get killed - both allies and Syrians? 4 Tony Blair - will you send YOUR son in to battle first ? 5. How long will it drag out for ? 6.Will anyone thank us for our involvement ?
As long as our feeble Government are going to give them free hand outs they will keep on coming through our ever open borders..There is nothing you or i can do about it so get used to it..And the politicians of this Country could not care less, as long as they live in luxury, and live in their mansions payed for by the taxpayers..
This country is a sewer.
It's absolutely STAGGERING how our politicians just can't grasp what the average person on the street can. This country is completely ruined...... I feel to angry and bitter that so many servicemen sacrifed their lives to protect our borders yet our politicians have freely allowed our country to be overrun and effectively thrown to the dogs. Absolutely disgusting and deeply offensive to their sacrifices
Brilliant, makes me feel proud to be English... :(
disgusting country.....................
I think this is all by design. You simply wouldn't allow this massive influx of immigrants into a country by mistake. The politicians know what is happening and I believe we are part of some kind of twisted social experiment to bring folk to their knees. It's apparently working.
go back to your own country.
In reply to - Steve UK taxpayer , hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 09:54 Another great thing about the UKIP voter is that they don't understand what their policies are or mean...UKIP is an ultra right conservative party that will try to stop healing the world's sick for free, stop benefits for all the unemployed and sick people, stop or reduce tax on jobs - the NI contributions and the UK will be a whole lot worse off. Yes stop the abuse but to suggest UKIP as a minority party is the solution to the problem is crass.
And what about second, third and forth wives claiming single parents benefits.
There's no question, the government has to put a stop to the continuing tide of immigration before it's too late, my biggest fear is that it's already too late. Next is an unknown number of Romanians and Bulgarians heading our way, after that, an influx of Syrians probably?
While the disabled are having benefits cut,people who are on benefits having to pay bed room tax,no help to get people back in to work(what did happen to the run on of benefits that we were meant to have when this party was wanting our vote) but lets give anyone who enters the country as much benefits as they want.
Kick the lot out.
In the meantime, the government are considering even more cuts on pensioners and disabled people , many of whom have paid Nat. Ins , tax etc all their working lives , yet we're giving foreigners ( and their extended families ) access to UK benefits without putting a penny into the ''pot'' !
"they did not include other benefits for which most Eastern Europeans, being low paid, would qualify".... Sir Andrew is right, most 'benefits' are paid to people in work (working tax credits and housing / child benefit). Until Britain exits the EU, corporate shareholders and private landlords will continue to pick the pockets of hard working tax payers. As long as Britain has low pay and rising immigration / house prices, the debt crisis cannot be resolved. Membership of the EU is a disaster for Britain.
What was that you were saying yesterday Jamie Oliver?
This is one of the main issues that is going to wipe out the Conservative party at the next election . They put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la if the subject of immigration is mentioned . Well I think the general public has had enough and UKIP is going to split the Tory vote apart . Then Labour will stroll into power by default with barely a policy to their name . Time for a complete re launch of the Conservative party , or is that already happening with UKIP ?
DM please post my important comments
Nothing new here, thats why they cross many countries to land on our shores. Just stop all benefits until they have paid into our system for a minimum of 5 years. Work permits should only be given to other EU migrants for two years at a time. Thats what Greece is doing with Russians, at least you have some control then.
Welcome to Benefits Britain. Free housing,health care and ash fr all immigrants,legal or otherwise. Come and fill our boots.thats the reality of this mad house we live in, governed by no hopers.
British benefits for British benefit scroungers!
This is an absolute disgrace especially when the pensioners have to live on a paltry pension and if you saved and have a private pension you are TAXED to the hilt! Instead of giving to immigrants you should be looking after the BRITISH people who have worked hard all of their lives and also the real disabled people who would love to work but can't or simply can't find work. If I knew then what I knew now I would not have worked and saved or bought a house. It is about time we had a GOVERNMENT that was there for the BRITISH HARD WORKING folk and not for other nations. People are fed up with it so they may have riots on the streets of BRITIAN soon.
UKIP to sort this once and for all!
two words........NIGEL FARAGE
I just don't get why more immigrants are going to be allowed to enter this country when the hospitals just can't cope anymore. Bloody Cameron and the stupid government. This won't be Britain much longer.
Leon, think back & read the history, I believe you will find your statement is false
that social enrichment i keep hearing about , i will retire at 70 because their is no money in the pot , the only people to blame are the people who run this country , they are the biggest threat of all to the British people ,
All you people complaining about this sound like really insensitive people. Don't you know how tough life is for people in places like Poland or Romania or France? I think it is good that we get to spread a bit of the enormous wealth this country has via the benefits system with these poor people!! We should extend it!
If any thing legal I don't really mind in fact no one can do any thing -simple
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense.
And not one of them is breaking the law. As much as I think it is outrageous they are simply claiming what our system allows them to claim. Change the rules if we don't like it to stop them claiming. It's our benefits system that allows this to happen. It needs to change or it will crash from too many taking out and not nearly enough putting in.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35...................Why is it only the African statistic you picked out of the whole lot?.....those green arrowing you have not stopped to use some common sense on your comments.....130,000 africans in the uk????.....there you go....alll blinded by the hate for africans as usual!!!!
Points based immigration system, problem solved.
Why the outrage? Thats exactly what the government advocated
Built by Blair maintained by Cameron. UKIP.
The amount claimed though would only keep a small number of career British benefit scroungers over their lifetimes..
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
This is stupid why complain when we opened our borders and asked for this. Its like a healthy person running after HIV.
just playing devils advocate here, this isn't a personal statement just a thought that has come to mind. Of the 400,000 claiming hand outs. Are they cancelled out by the foreign workers here that are paying tax. Ie for every pound the government gets from a foreign worker, are we paying out more or less than that to foreigner benefit claims? We might actually be profiting from foreigners being here. Before I get red arrowed and people jumping down my throat this is purely something that just occurred to me like a business deal. Giving away benefits to some and allowing people in, might work almost like a loss leader where we get far more back from the hundreds of thousands or even millions of professional foreign tax payers living in the UK. Anyone know the stats or are we just focussing on the ones taking?
Oh look, another biased twisted DM story about immigrants. Why don't you print all the facts DM? Oh, I see, that would not suit your agenda. Well, I'm glad we are all clear on that.
WE CAN ONLY CALL THIS TREASON.
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27=================Are you on benefits? Raise taxes?!! There is hardly any money left after paying taxes as it is!!! What duty do we have to these people. We have absolutely none. THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM.
You ain't seen nothing yet....wait until next year! The bubble is growing, and one day it'll burst, as the British people will only take so much.
If we didn't have to put up with enforced immigration, then the majority of us would be in work and there would be no burden on the welfare state, so why has this been allowed to happen?
Why is is up to us to pay their benefits? Surely like pensions the country of origin should pay them.
Nobody is listening to us!
Is anyone surprised?
'..More fool you! Realising 34-years ago I couldn't beat the system without breaking the law, I moved to the Canary Islands. Everything was wonderful until the peseta was swapped for the euro and the economy went into decline. After 22-years in Spain, I'm now in Thailand five years before Spain went belly up, well away from the EU bureaucrats, the nincompoops of the UK and US governments and with less corruption here than is alleged in Whitehall and Washington, Threadneedle Street or Wall Street. No foreigner or even a fellow Brit gets my money unless I approve it by giving it to them myself, which I do regularly. It's nice to be in control of one's hard-earned cash. A luxury few in the West ever experience or get to enjoy. Just imagine earning £1,000 and keeping £1,000, not £600 or less and then having a further 20% taken off you in VAT...And although I don't smoke but I drive, what you pay for cigarettes and petrol is criminal. The bandits in Parliament should be wearing a mask.'
this is all down to Blair and the rest of his labour cronies
IDS where are you ,lets hear it for the failed priminister in charge of benefits,blaming workshy brits,it was never us it was them.ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.
Just scrap most of the benefits and retain just the old age pension; yes, no more disability benefits, you just go into a home and be looked after.No more job seekers allowance;if you want cash do odd jobs like knocking on doors and ask for chores to do.This country is a laughing stock to countries without a welfare system.
Anothe EU cost to this country. The policy should be a carrot and stick approach to the millions of economically inactive Britons. I know many who have no self belief and no confidence. Many who are just malingerers. But the government is abdicating its responsibility by seeing unselective mass immigration as any kind of solution. We need inspired leadership and charisma. Anyone seen a politician recently with those qualities? One whose first move is to get us out if the EU straight jacket which will give us the freedom to do what suits our economy rather than Bulgaria's or Rumania's.
There's nothing wrong with migration, when people leave their homelands to work or study in a different country and perhaps live there permanently if they want to. Plenty of Brits go overseas to do the same. However, immigrants should NOT receive any benefits and they should try and integrate with the local culture as much as possible. I'm saying this as an immigrant myself, from Eastern Europe . My husband's British-born, we don't get any benefits (not even tax credits or child benefit) and our only child is being brought up culturally 100% British. I cringe when I read these stories because they make me feel ashamed of my background and I always feel self-conscious when people ask where I am from.
Que'lle surprise! Not.
Cameron ought to usefully spend his time getting his own country on a stable path rather than mess about with other countries far from home. This ridiculous and unaffordable nonsense must be stopped.
This article and the excellent comments have Struck Me Dumb!
Please can someone in this spineless Government have courage to sort out the immigration problem once and for all! We cannot afford to pay out benefits and income support to anyone who does not contribute anything to our economy. Our infrastructure is overloaded, and everything seems to be loaded in favour of immigrants. Sort this out, and there will be no need whatsoever to build over green fields which should be used for the production of food, not housing.
Why not, you can come here illegally or legally and be housed, fed and clothed with money for fags and booze and not have to lift a finger. We have allowed our governments do set this up.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
So basically you have 400,000 squatters living in your basement and you're looking after their every need. Sorry, but you are idiots for electing leaders who allow this to happen. The mind boggles...
WELL DONE TONY AND THE LABOUR PARTY see what misery you have caused a social experiment that has FAILED big style
We need someone tough running this country now, someone like Maggie again, she wouldn't mess about, she wouldn't have let them all in, I want someone who will start kicking them out, am sick of having British people move aside for foreigners, sick of British people been brushed under the carpet by the politicians so that they can have cheap foreign labour. Well no more, I am never going to vote for the 3 main parties ever again and if it means voting for some one extreme to bring Britain back, then so be it
They are trying to stop our winter fuel allowance for people living abroad who have paid taxes all their working lives. An English language paper here in France has listed the countries at risk of losing this allowance, France is on the list - Italy is not. It is considered colder than France. The people who decided this have not been in France in winter. I know I will get red arrowed for this but as I am on the reduced pension I need it. The cost works out for me at less than £2.00 per week.
That is Britain today - we heal the world's sick for free and provide funds for all the world's unemployable people to live in luxurious idleness. But things will change when the main 3 parties are thrown out - UKIP will start the change next election.
Australia gets really really bad press on how it deals wth their asylum seekers! But everyone knows there not a soft touch but it Britain well were just way too polite to upset anyone,get a backbone and kick em out. !
The EU and Blair have destroyed this Country - and they haven't finished with it yet either.
satisfied Blair - colin , Selby, 29/8/2013 09:34 --> Much as I detest Blair, this increase has happened mostly on Dave's watch, aided and abetted by Clegg.
Goodbye Great Britain , This is the start of the end of our wonderful country.. GET US OUT OF THE EU!! Before there is nothing left. No places at the schools and the end the wonderful NHS.. Services stretched to the brink of breaking point!!
Dave youve been told time and time again by the vast majority of the British public but you havent been listening so i will tell you again -SHUT THE BLOODY DOORS !!!!!
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid .. - toothpick4649, Adelaide, Australia, 29/8/2013 5:45 Click to rate Rating 42 .......Easy to explain, mate. We keep voting for the same gutless wonders every general election and expect them to stand by their promises - which never happens. All they do is bend over and lift their shirt tails every time the EU spouts a 'directive'. Having watched them fail our people time and time again, and watched our country descend into a multi cultural cess pit, ruled by our natural enemies in Europe, it beats me why people vote for any of the current crop of political disasters we currently have to tolerate. I wish I'd moved to Australia when I was a young man with a trade. It saddens me when I see what Britain has become - all caused by a few politically correct, treacherous rat bags in Parliament.
Who is the fool here? It's not the government and It's not the foreigners It's the taxpayers!!!!! Until you down tools and demand changes, nothing will change. Look at what happened when they put the price of fuel up, people protested and got the fuel price down. Now we just roll over and die, everything has gone up, the place is falling to bits and all we do is moan about it and expect a greedy corrupt organization to fix it. It's like when a child dies from drugs or guns or the internet trolls, Only then do those parents decide to act and they ask for change. You are all living in your own bubble and won't do anything until it effects YOU.
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On a per capita basis, foreigners pay more in tax than those born here. More DM xenophobia believed by the gullible and racist.
cant support yourself? cant come here then. Simple
Cameron wont deal with anything he cannot be bothered with our country he wants to fight for other countries. All these immigrants will most likely unemployed so thing before you blame all the unemployed for not looking for work, we also let foreigners take our jobs so some people who want jobs cannot get them. I still cannot believe people get working/child tax credits when you have a job, Ive never ever claimed for them in my life, but these all should be stopped.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- When the cowardly, idiot electorate of Britain stops voting for them. Until then, they have no reason to act. Why should they? Sheep deserve to be fleeced. The choice could not be simpler. Either you vote nationalist, or you vote for more of this.
Britain is the welfare supermarket to the world and of course will attract so much dross as they observe our failed Border Agency which facilitates entry to the country. Cameron should for once in his premiership concentrate on getting just one aspect of his policy right and stop playing to minorities and whatever Samantha whispers in his ear.
I wish the DM will tell the whole story........
One word : traitors .
'Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.'- Dbarr347 , auckland, ...toDbarr in Auckland, that's the reason so many here are frustrated, we can't implement a 2 year stand-down period (or similar policy) because the UK's hands are tied by what the EU says, which is why we have this huge influx of people and subsequent massive payments to them.
Here we go, fan the flames of hatred DM. No statistic on the white underclass claiming?
They all come to the U.K,,,,,,,,,,,Would they be prepared to fight and protect this country if they were called up for duty?????They would fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the U.K in a heart beat
I am a foreigner. I have paid for 8 years my taxes and my contributions to this society. Why shouldn't I get benefits when I need them? Do you think I give away part of my money for you, Britons, and not for me? Get a grip.
Sick! Glad I'm not contributing to this anymore.
What a mess!
This just cannot go on, there should be mass protests ( peaceful ones) in every town and city until the government gets the message that we are not happy about this. UKIP next time, it's the only way.
What a disgrace when our elderly have to pay extortionate amounts to be looked after in care homes. There couldn't be a stronger case for voting U.K.I.P.
Turf them out, I am quite sure that if I went to an EU country I would not get any benefits, housing or financial help so why can they come here and get it! It has got beyond a joke, they land in by themselves then within a short space of time there is a whole family of 10! I am sick and tired of my taxes being used to fund these people. Plus the majority of them are getting tied up in crime against the foolish people who work to keep them!
Why can other European countries refuse benefit pay outs to people who have not contributed to their coffers, yet we are falling over ourselves to give immigrants a free ride if they want it.
PLEASE have a look at the UKIP website for COMMON SENSE POLICY'S. Nigel Farage has the right idea! GET OUT OF THE EU! Get control of our borders laws and way of life! Run the UK for the BRITISH 1st! SHUT the doors for 5 years! Sort this appalling mess out then run immigration like the Aussies! Sounds good to me, if it sounds good to you then you must vote UKIP! They are the ONLY party that put the British FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that do come here and find a job only work for a short period of time. Once they qualify for benefits they give up work and start claiming. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU only introduced the law about free movement of labour because they knew most of the undesirables would come to the UK or Germany. Members of all parties KNOW this is going on. The fact that they do nothing speaks volumes.
a benifit ? and enriching our country all at the same time WHY THEN IS EVERY THING FALLING APART ?
Cutbacks in the NHS, in schools, in care for the elderly, in the armed forces and so on is because Britain is giving free money to people who should not have it.
I thought as a condition of you being able to live here was that you were able to support yourself financially, at least I thought that's what the UK border agency says, why is this country such a doormat?
in the old days foreigners came to a country and worked their butt off and made the country better,now they are adding to its problems and im disgusted,maybe go back and fix your own country?
Can some one please explain how so many non EU immigrants can claim benefits? The system supposedly works on the basis that immigrants have to reside in the UK for five years, then only can they apply for permanent residence, after a further year apply for British citizenship. As the UKBA presently takes some ten months to process these applications (disgraceful but another example of incompetence) this extends the process to some seven years. So please be fair to those immigrants who do follow the rules, work hard, contribute by paying tax until they are granted citizenship and quite possibly never claim benefits! How many of these 'immigrants' are asylum seekers or among the backlog of thousands in the so called "Temporary and Permanent Migration Pool". DM this sort of article causes friction and whilst these figures are quite an eye opener, perhaps a little more research and clarification of just who these benefit claimants are would be a good idea.
I think the point that is not clear in this article at all, is how many of those who are claiming any kinds of benefits have actually worked and paid tax/NI in this country before claiming. I live and work in Germany. I have been in full employment here for many years. Were I ever to be made unemployed here I would be entitled to the same benefits as German citizens. I would honestly hope that no frothing-at-the-mouth newspaper would hate me for claiming the unemployment benefit I would be entitled to and encourage their readers to take a "send them all home" stance.
Stop the welfare for everyone!That might also force the lazy brits into finding jobs!
Why aren't the MP's and in particular the Welfare minister, reading these comments from the genuine public. Something needs to be done NOW.Cameron, pull your finger out NOW, and stop searching TripAdvisor for your next summer break.
Why doesnt DM print the real statistics? The truth is that majority of East European immigrants have jobs, pay their taxes and so when some of that number claim benefits- they have already put into the pull by the means of paying their own taxes here. Sometimes life turn disappointingly, you loose your job and so for a wee while you need the system¿s help, but we pay for it up front!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again. - IhateDM, london, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 08:24 Believe this idiot... It's far worse than DM are portraying, look on the government websites for the statistics and then double that at least. If you live with your head in the sand mate, you obviously read the independent and belong to those statistics, let the DM be read by hard working tax payers who care about this country!!!!
Similar things have been going on for years, how about registering for NI number and benifits at half a dozen or more dole offices and collecting from them all, and that was in the 70s, but ,"It would cost more to catch the offenders than than the fraud was costing". One would believe that in the past 40 years it has become much worse, never mind the gross edicts from the mighty (Useless) EUSSR.
Only the FOOLS running the Country COULDNT SEE THIS.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in. - Mick N.E., Ashington, 29/08/2013 04:56 Not 'everyone'. Only EU nationals. My non EU husband had to fight to stay in this country with me & our mentally disabled child. After thousands of pounds in visa fees to the home office and 3 years he was eventually allowed to live & work here (as long as we pay £500 every 2.5 years for 10 years to extend the visa) & No Recourse To Public Funds!! Not all immigrants come here to scrounge. He works to support us. Just a shame the UKBA can't issue the public funds rule to all the EU nationals just walking into the UK.
Why not change the name of OUR country from Great Britain to HANDOUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Everyone is welcome
ROLL ON UKIP
Worked 40 plus years, made redundant, over 60, get nothing. So much for working........I don't think.
Oh the another big plus then for the politicians and media who keep telling us of the 'benefits' of mass immigration!!
Is it any wonder certain foreigners claim Britain as being "Treasure Island"!
thatchers legacy
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/08/2013 01:35 Where do you get the 130,000 Africans in the UK figure from? It HAS to be far more than that.
Do you have a figure for the cost? "Billions" is not an adequate number for a proper report. I assume you have no numbers and are making assumptions (yet again).
IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION these are the WMD OUR sick are being told to work our unemployed are being told to find invisable jobs
satisfied Blair
Foreigners can't wait to get here and British people born here can't wait to leave. Can someone explain please?
Soft touch Britain. Everybody knows this. Even immigrants say this loudly through the media to confirm it. Yet we do nothing...
It is an open secret Labour did this deliberately. Years out of power, once back in fill the country with foreign benefits claimants. Encourage large families of domestic claimants. Engineer the population into a labour voting one....... It really is quite sick behaviour
Why, then, DM don`t you throw you considerable weight behind the ONLY party that will DO SOMETHING about this serious matter - UKIP, instead of, as you now do, which is to take every opportunity to ridicule the party and denigrate the character of it`s members ?
I'd just like to know why the people who pay taxes in this country aren't asked if its ok for their hard earned money to be spent like this? Why do we have to hand over nearly a third (or more) of our earnings with no say on what it's spent on? Because I'm sure this would be at the bottom of everyone's list.
We can't continue like this!
I worked and served in the Royal Marines serving my country of birth then at 65 retired to Belgium,my pension is £420 per month and i am not able to claim any supplements in Belgium (because i have not worked here).............Why is it that all other EU countries protect their own citizens and restrict immigrants but the UK just gives so much to those who have never paid a penny in NI or tax...........The millionaires who sit round the cabinet table have no idea what it is like to see your homeland destroyed because they are insulated from the pain of poverty.
Great Britain? sadly not for much longer
Then don't let them claim!! My husband ( a non EU national) can't claim a single penny, not that he wants to as he has a lot of pride to work & support us, but if you can issue a 'no recourse to public funds' to non EU nationals then do the same to EU nationals :-/ they haven't paid into the system, neither have their parents. But that's ok they can still claim child benefit for their kids back in their own country eh :-/
Oh these must be the hard workers Jamie Oliver was talking about!!!
1949 Benefits Britain!
There's a surprise! Benefits should be predicated on long term residency and tax contributions. We should not allow people to take out of the pot who have not first put something in.
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes.
This is where the money is going, paying benefits to those who haven't paid in. This is the TRUE reason why working people are being made to work longer before they can draw their EARNED pension. All this "We are all living longer" hogwash is just convenient government rhetoric used to hide the real truth...
Our benefit system should be for the people who paid into the system (excluding all who cant due to ill health). This system was never meant for anyone other than the people of this country. As a woman of 59 I have now to wait an additional 6 years before I get my state pension although I worked full time for over 40 years since I was 16. As I am no longer working I am living off my small company pension and my savings and hope they last out till then. We should have a similar attitude to Australia...if you cant look after yourself financially....you cant come in!
Why do we do it? You must have contributed 5 years before you are allowed anything
No surprise, even more taxpayers millions to be paid out next year 2014 to all and sundry who simply walk in and claim, a very costly crazy system ,meanwhile we all must suffer cuts makes no sense at all.
No, no, no! Cameron needs to grow a backbone and put a full stop to this. It's an insult to hardworking taxpayers, pensioners who have worked all their lives to live in poverty once they retire and those on the ever lengthening NHS waiting lists. The UK is seen as the mug of the world - come to us and we'll give you money for nothing. Even better, we'll give you money for members of your family who don't even live in the UK!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again.
I hope the new "rules" being brought in before Jan 1st stop more of these immigrants and that finally we will get out of the EU, team up with the Commonwealth and put the shutters up on our border. If you have a proper job and are invited to UK fine, otherwise please stay home
This is an appalling use of tax payer money & those responsible should be locked up for life! No immigrant should have the right to welfare (including the NHS) in this country unless they have paid in to the system for 5 years. The benefits system should be cancelled immediately & relaunched with very strict criteria. Cameron needs to worry less about Syria & more about getting us out of the EU, before the next huge influx arrive cap in hand!
It's like trying to fill a bath with no plug. As soon as the nation's money is earned, it's handed over to Johnny Foreigner. Recovery?! Don't make me laugh! More like running to stand still! UKIP for me in 2015.
"Money! Get your free money! Grab it while its still here! Get your free money"
Oh my word...quick send them back that way 'our' people will get all the benefits that we've missed out on because of the foreigners taking it all.....what a load of rubbish....our ridiculous government is to blame.....what a shambles they're making of everything....cuts here and there saving a pittance....they need to have a really good think about how they're running us into the ground....the selfish idiots!!!!!
Successive governments seem to have been obsessed with the need to be seen to be helping others around the world and in the process have lost sight completely with what is happening in their own country. Politicians urge us to vote but why bother when politicians are not interested in protecting the interests of their own citizens.
Cameron reacts to a problem in Syria that the British people couldn't care less about, but immigrant problems he ignores. Listen to the British people you idiot.
Our only hope is UKIP.
The only reason the politicians dont deal with it is because they are too scared they will be branded racist....i cannot see any other reason.
The smug politicians do nothing, other than claim their inflated expenses and wait for their next salary rise!!!
Haha, who cares? It's just hilarious watching Middle England get mad.
Simple solution: If you're not born in this country, or have at least one parent born in this country, NO BENEFITS
Biggest number of individual claimants were from Asia and the Middle East ------------- JUST HOWis this possible? I begrudge my tax money going overseas!
It's a nuisance when people use a serious debate such as this, to peddle UKIP........there you go all you UKIPPERS ........your big chance for a red arrow-fest xx
Absolutely shocking. How much longer can this go on? There has to be a limit and I reckon this will be reached next year when the next wave of immigrants get here. I cannot beleive how this government is letting this happen. They are all talk and no action. British taxpayers have had enough of their money aquandered. I fear for this country, We are no longer Great Britain. Labour started this fiasco, and this government is simply continuing to let it happen.
My husband and I were in effect driven out of our beloved country by the intense anger of our taxes being given to financial imigrant from all over the world. We had to move abroad to keep our sanity and lose the anger.
Meanwhile honest UK taxpayers who suffer disasters are treated like criminals if they try to claim benefits, having to prove that they aren't lying at every step, sometimes in a very unpleasant manner which only makes them feel worse. How about a bit of balance, our own people first for benefits, hospital treatment, school places, council houses etc. The more we feather-bed, the more will come.
just WRONG!
UKIP ALL THE WAY
absolutely soul destroying
I don't have anything against foreigners- my parents were foreigners to this country in their time - but AAAARGH. They never claimed benefits, never, they were highly qualified people but worked in a warehouse, sewing on buttons at dry cleaners, anything rather than claim benefits, and they learned English. They made us learn English and they brought us up to work and pay taxes. What the hell is this?
Good lord - don't tell them to come to Canada - they'll get nothing. At least I don't think so. Been here most my life. If you don't have a job, you're screwed and destined to be uber poor. The UK has to rethink the whole system.
What do you expect when we elect idiots like Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg into office.
just scrap the benefits make them stand on their own two feet or at least make everyone re apply
There lies the problem with the declining quality of services in the UK compared to the rest of Europe.
Leave the EU and take the benefit system back to how it was in the 1940s, a safety net not a life style choice !
......and after I finish working all my life and retire, if I can afford it that is, will there be anything left in the pot for me? If we carry on at this rate there won't. I get more and more angry about this situation where people who have contributed nothing to this country take and fools like me who work pay them to do it.
Anyone surprised? I'm not. I saw this coming years ago. Big Issue sellers 'work' for 12 weeks then are entitled to full UK benefits. The same applies to agricultural workers - not much to pick from October to May. We are being taken for MUGS and quite honestly rightly so. But it's not only the benefit issue, how about the £53,000,000 given to the EU every day, the £12 Billion in foreign aid? The retirement age has been increased and your private pensions have been raided to help pay for this. Have you tried to get a Dr or Dentist appointment lately? Have you waited in A&E for hours to eventually be seen by a Dr who doesn't speak English? WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS IN FINANCIAL TERMS. We are being fleeced and royally shafted by political traitors who are supposed to protect and care for BRITISH citizens. If you want more of the same continue voting LibLabCon. If not, it has to be UKIP.
Another example of the UK Government ignoring the wishes of citizens, look around and it happens all the time. Here there is no welfare unless you have contributed, very simple, I am at a loss to understand why the British Government refuse to do the same.
What do people expect we are in the middle of the deepest recession since the war there are no jobs for people born here how do they expect foreigners to find work?
A lot of us already knew this but when we dared to say it, we were deemed a racist.
A friend worked in a London school for the blind. One family, white British, were turned down by Australia as their blind child "Would be a burden on Australia". Meanwhile, an asylum seeking family with 5 children at the school -all born without eyes due to a (1st cousin marriage) genetic fault - were being supported in their request to stay in the UK in spite of the children being a HUGE burden on the state!
LOOK LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. The British taxpayer knows that all the bull about JOB OPPORTUNITIES is a Govt. fantasy. Across Africa and E. Europe the word is out that if you can get to the UK you can LIVE FOR FREE. The quicker the Govt. understands that the better. Meanwhile taxpayers have their services reduced to find the money all these scroungers cost.
Vote labour, and let them all come.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY - si, london, 29/8/2013 12:14 Stop blaming Labour, this con lot have had plenty of time to make the the changes needed, they have the benefit of hindsight, made useless promises and a PM without a backbone. as bad if not worse than labour. Only one vote for me UKIP
Meanwhile, with the help of Atos, they continue to strip the benefits from genuinely sick, native born British, lets not forget that.
I'm not great at maths but if there are 406,000 foreigners claiming benefits and 5.88 million Britons doing the same, that means Britons account for over 93% of benefits spending in the UK. So I'm not entirely sure it's foreigners taking all the money. Interestingly, the split of 93% native Briton to 7% foreign is roughly in line with the actual demographics of the country as well, so it doesn't look as if foreigners disproportionately take up the welfare budget either. Perhaps we could get come clarity as to the amount of cash that goes to Britons and the amount which goes to foreigners? It's a bit disingenuous to whine that foreigners are costing our country 'billions' when they account for less than 7% of the actual bill.
if you dont like the situation, change it ,use your vote accordingly at the next available elections and vote for the only party who will put a stop to this insane situation,i am definately voting UKIP.
Can't they get a job with Jamie Oliver?
tories, great on rhetoric, abysmal on action. Nice shoes though, Mrs May.
Oh well
One could argue that EU because of legislation we are saddled with are justified but that leaves 340,000 non EU claimants. How does that work? It is very simple - Tough to get in and then you have to work for five years before receiving benefits. Put someone with backbone in charge of UK border control. No visa - no entry and those visa's have to be approved from this end not at the consulate or embassy at originating country. You have to have a work placement and if a student wants to study here they must put in the entire three years tuition and living funds into a special account. - Time to get tough - time to find someone tough enough to deliver.
we in the uk have been bounced into this marxist/commie system whether we like it or not,whether we we voted for it or not,whether we like having our democratic voice taken away in this or not,thanks to our ministers who now take their orders from the likes of marxist merkel and barroso and good ole rumpy pumpy,everything we have built up by way of savings and pensions is to be handed out and shared for all who are piling in leaving us with poverty levels seen in third world countries,yep thats the policy folks,good an,it
The government have got far more important things to deal with, like sticking their noses into the problems of other countries!
None of this makes any sense whatsoever! We are bleeding ourselves to death. All that our ancesters fought and died for is being thrown away. It is a betrayal of them.
How the HELL can this be happening? When I immigrated here in the late 90's I could not claim a thing, and wouldn't have in any case. I had a stamp in my passport that said "No recourse to public funds" - this was for 5 years. I have been here 16 years and still have never felt the need or desire to access/take/abuse public funds. Clearly our immigration doors are flapping wildly in the wind attracting all the WRONG people. So much about what's "good" for the country. So disappointing.
It's simple any person who has not paid National Insurance for 2 years although I would like 5 years or been a permanent resident for 5 years can't claim any benefits. Simples
There should be a qualifying period, perhaps 5 years of contributions, before qualifying and the sum paid should be equal to the payment a UK Citizen would receive in their Country. This Magic Roundabout has lost its wheels.
And this country is supposed to be so broke that we all have to suffer cuts. And yet we hand this much to immigrants who have paid nothing in. We consider military action which has nothing to do with us. Do you ever get the feeling that politicians, who are overseeing this ridiculous situation, are required to put their brains into cold storage when they take up their positions, to be retrieved when they leave office?
Consistently shambolic behaviour really, from MPs who are supposed to be intelligent and have the UK's best interests at heart. I admit, In an ideal world it's nice to be able to help others, however, when that includes people who have long criminal records or people who have no intention of working or people who are here simply to claim benefits and contribute nothing, or people who have no intention of adding anything of value to the local resident population...well you wouldn't invite that type of person to stay in your own home, so why would you foist that type of person many, many times over onto the UK which is, in effect, our shared collective home...oh and why would you then be so incompetent so as not to know how many people are here? I've got no axe to grind as my great great grandfather came here from Jamaica, however, he worked damn hard, made many friends and received nothing by way of support. The UK is being failed over and over by each government on this issue.
THIS should be today's headline, not some daft rubbish about Tango dancers in Argentina!
Every day a feel a little bit more ashamed of being British! !....we are Europes laughing joke!!!
they are stealing britains future, stop it now and get the hell out of europe now; this blair and browns legacy
This needs to be stopped now, if imigration carries on as is, this country will be bankrupt. Why oh why can we not have a leader who is sympathetic towards the people of this country instead of to the whole world.
And all the time LibLabCon keep encouraging the importation of immigrants, who we can't do without. They are telling the hard working taxpayer that its the British elderly, disabled and low paid who are causing the economic troubles. Next year many more Eastern EU people will turn up. All the time these benefits are going "home", rather than remaining in our country. Tis should be stopped, these people have never paid into our tax or NI system and should be allowed nothing out of it now. UKIP will stop it.
The whole system is a complete mess. I know of people who have fraudulently claimed benefits for years, and when reported, the authorities do absolutely nothing. Well actually they do something continue giving them benefits. AND they are still claiming when they are living in another country and have done for the last 8 months and are not british citizens. It's completely wrong! I'm all for people coming to this country to work but I think in order to get any benefits or be allowed to work (get NI registration) it should have to be under certain conditions, e.g. Pass an English examination, prove that they are actually living in the country, not be allowed to claim benefits or be entitled to housing until such a time they are able to illustrate that they can actively contribute to the state and not drain resources. My husband is from Eastern Europe, he is an engineer and I run my own business, we don't claim benefits never have! I'm sick of looking of my tax bill each year!
Forget the other parties, they only paper over the cracks, give UKIP a chance to sort this properly.
We need answers and the only way we will get them is mass peaceful protests.
Spread the word,.. UKIP to sort out this Damn mess !!
We should follow the 1949 system...
This Enrichment is bankrupting us!!
Educate yourselves people. EU immigrants damage your country than any outside immigrant will ever do. All these articles are to stir things up n create hatred for immigrants. Do not think Nigel will sort it either, when was the last time a politician told the truth. Educate yourselves people.
Do you get the impression we keep electing really stupid governments? It' UKIP for me now on.
Oh! I thought they were the ones working while the Brits are all lazy. The golden pot will be empty soon for everyone. No job, not a British citizen, go home!
So we have people who have paid into the system for years being denied benefits and services to pay for immigrants, asylum seekers AND their families! and to add insult to injury a proportion of these openly hate us and go to religious institutions that preach violence and death! What hope is there for our children if our own government does NOTHING!
This article confirms what the ordinary working man and woman have known for years. No one should now be allowed in unless they can prove that they have sufficient money so that they have no need for benefits or to be a drain on this company, this Los applies to health insurance. No money, no health insurance equals no admittance.
if you haven't got a National Insurance number or British passport, you cannot claim benefits......simple.
If this feeble Government keeps on giving them hand outs they will keep on coming..And this Country will be bankrupt, we will be joining Spain Greece ,etc...If the poor and the elderly and sick over worked tax payers native Brit think they got it bad now..YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THING YET..
Looks like not even the DM can rant on about how its all labour fault any more.
Surprise, Surprise! Why doesn't this story leave me flabbergasted. This was seen coming 15 years AGO!.
Yet the government are blaming the pensioners for all the financial ills of the country, we are living too long, 24,000 are dying each year due to the cold so we will stop the WFA, the bus pass, and TV licence to the over 75's, meanwhile they continue to fund the dregs of the earth from other countries who turn up on our doorstep.. UKIP are the only party that will address this appalling situation.
Zebedee, what? And take money from the immigrants? That will never do, not when we have British disabled people who are in receipt of benefits. It makes much more sense to withdraw the disablement benefits than to close our borders. It's inhumane apparently to refuse entry to someone from a War torn country and not give them a roof over their head, food on their tables and pay for the upkeep of however many children they may have but there's nothing wrong with taking essential benefits if you're British, childless, worked for many years before claiming benefits and have an incurable and dangerous illness.
The figures show that 93% of work-related benefit claimants are Britons. This is in keeping with the population as a whole.
Right lets see==Foreign Aid about 12 BILLIONS / EU Contributions about 13 BILLIONS not counting backdoor bailouts for bankrupt countries / Foreign Benefit Claimants another unknown figure running into Billions / Billions more on funding our illegal wars against any Country our Politicians choose to attack, MEANWHILE our OAP's freeze to death in winter many more thousands die in hospitals thru lack of basic care, thousands more denied lifesaving drugs / 1 MILLION of our young people thrown on the scrapheap / our sovereign debts have topped 1.2 TRILLIONS and growing etc etc etc.
ARGHhHhhhhhhhhhhhhHhHhHh I have just finished a 14 hour night shift for the NHS and have done so 3/4 times a week for the last 10 years and my pay just covers bills etc I actually want to cry !!!! These people come here use the NHS and claim benefits....!! I am moving out of this sorry excuse of a country....!!! What a shame I hate my own country and the government that runs it
No, no, no ..... They only come here to bring missing skill sets that the British don't have .... They don't come here for our benefits system !
If you haven't paid in and are fit for work you should not pay out! This is national insurance, we workers pay our insurance. Foreign people should only be allowed in if they have money or work, and students have money to pay for their education. British people should only be on job seekers allowance if they are actively seeking work!
We're told that immigration is actually a positive for the UK since it adds to the economy. This article based on facts kind of scuppers this idea. We're already pretty well bankrupt so it's little wonder that the working population is having to work until they drop before they retire & services in this once great Country are crumbling. Mr Cameron we need a referendum on the EU now!
Your comments:By any definition, we have been sold out. Utterly tragic.
Surprise, surprise!
I dont undestand DM. Our government who i trust completely say immigrants bring so many positive things to the country? are you telling me im being lied to?
I have nothing but contempt for the British Government since Blair got into power and opened the door to the world and his wife and it's all been downhill from there. No wonder thousands flock to your shores; it's the land of milk and honey for some and the poor old British taxpayer is having to pay for it. I will always love my Country, but the politicians suck!
I can't read all of this. My head is swelling from the inside. I voted UKIP in local elections and I can't wait to vote UKIP in the next general election. Voting for anyone else will only lead to 'anyone else' changing their manifesto as always.
UKIP is the only hope for this most awfully run country. Lets give them a clean sweep in the EU elections.
Many people seem to believe that voting UKIP will solve the problem, but will Mr Farage and his party be able to achieve what they claim? I shall be voting UKIP but fear we are already in too deep. It may take a WAR OF INDEPENDENCE in the end. It may help if Cameron and Clegg take the first steps now, instead of prevaricating, and promising a possible vote at some time in the future. My local used to have a sign behind the bar which said : FREE BEER TOMORROW.
All part of the plan to destroy England from within. it has been said ¿Until now, nations were killed by conquest, that is by invasion. But here an important question arises: can a nation not die on its own soil, without resettlement or invasion, by allowing the flies of decomposition to corrupt to the very core those original and constituent principles which make it what it is?¿
MP's of any party except UKIP are terrified to cut back the Welfare system, believing it will cost them votes. How they dare put themselves before the good of the country is a form of fraud, as I see it. Refreshingly. Farage and his party think differently.
And still our Government lets more and more of them come into our Country.. It beggers belief !!!
That would include foreigners in work who because of very low wages (minimum wage, part-time, zero hour) are claiming IN WORK benefits to heat, eat and shelter. The blame should go onto rich Tory voting bosses who refuse to pay living wages (giving it all in perks and bonuses to themselves instead) forcing the poor who WORK to claim IN WORK BENEFITS.
How do non Europeans get to be allowed in without the means to support themselves?..
People should spend less time estimating the figures and more time doing something about it. England is ruined. No wonder all our best and brightest leave! We are the dumping ground of the earth and our politicians should stop spending all their time bickering at each other about broken promises to work towards their pay increases and more time doing something however controversial.
I am beginning to think the people running this country,both now and those idiots in the last Labour government,(how on earth did Gordon Brown ever become P.M.),dont have the slightest clue.This problem has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years and will get worse and worse but still no one has the backbone to do anything about it. I give up. Bye bye G.B.!!!
What sort of an idiot do you need to be not to realise this was always going to happen?
Like politicians they have put nothing in and have taken as much as they can out ,and yes including housing although politicians get to keep and profit from theirs
Nothing will happen, unless you are a british worker who pays your taxes. get made redundant and then try and get help. wont happen , immigration is good for the world for working people not idol layabouts who are economic migrants who leech. This government and previous are delusional in believing the UK is a prosperous country who can help the world but not its own. we are a 3rd world country in the making and military might wise we are a flea on the tail of the U.S tiger. The NHS is a great institution but is being abused and the UK being laughed at by the world.
EU.NO NO NO, get out now
hi these gvt policies of uncontrolled entry into the uk will result in living standards/care provision reduced for all in the uk,the jam is being spread so thin now great poverty will be seen in areas never seen before,theres just not the resources/taxes being generated to meet all the demands of this exploding population in the uk,are they listening in westminister,thought not,will they close the door now,nope!
Our Politicians are aware with what is happening to our Country. Things are progressing nicely exactly to plan. We are over-populated, we are jobless, we are extremely hard-up. This has been allowed to happen because it is what the politicians want. The taxpayers are not running this Country. They are paying all the bills but them in the cuckoo`s nest are running it - to hell in a handcart.
Couldn't Jamie Oliver employ them ?
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP. - tony, mansfield, 29/08/2013 05:18 Sadly I fear it's too late now! I despair for our country. We're so governed by Brussels that its not a case of just walking away from Europe anymore. Wish it was!
Still Cameron ignores these figures and the wishes of the people! He'd much rather have a war !
Simple analogy; would we as Brits be able to claim a penny if we hit hard times in their countries? I think the answer is a resounding, "no." Why do we waste our money, which we pay in taxes, in this manner?
For several yearss it has been obvious that the EU was designed to lift the poorer people upto the same standard pf living as the so called RICH ie the likes of us. It is going to be very hard to leave as the many immigrants from the EU will be able to vote in any referendum that we hold aand they are not going to vote to leave it. `ted heath and the rest of the body politic have an awful lot to answer for.
Bank of England policy - unemployment high with lots of immigrants so use this statistic to rob the prudent blind with interest rates way below inflation. Come January the numbers will spiral out of control.
This government has been in power for three & a half years & the benefits to foreigners bill has increased 41% in five years, & its over five years since Blair was P M, surely this is the fault of the coalition this has happened after Blair left office & i know the Dreary Mail readers will say he is to blame for letting so many in but that is like blaming Churchill for E C H R fiasco because he took us into it in 1946 just trying to be truthful & sensible you know blame where it is due.PS i don't like Blair or his awful wife.
You can go to any town or city up & down the UK to find in full of people of working age doing absolutely nothing. I accept that times have changed, but when I was a lad there would be hardly a male figure on the streets during working hours other, than tradesmen.
This is great news
We imported all this lot without any basic standards as regards education and job skills! What a set of "Numpties" in Parliament.
and here's me listening to the politicians and the BBC saying they come here to work. so the proportion of immigrants claiming dole against Brits is quite high. No wonder the country is broke.
What the hell did you expect with a Benefit and Immigration System designed by a collander maker.
Yet having worked all my life, if I lost my job today I would get nothing because my wife works full time.
And the government wonder why the number of jobless people is increasing. If they hadn't been allowed to claim benefits we would save £billions a year and the bedroom tax wouldn't be needed.
You want to stop this? THEN VOTE UKIP, OTHERWISE, ACCEPT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Not surprised about this at all! It is due to Britain accommodating the rest of the world that the country is in so much debt. Until the government grow some balls and implement new rules regarding new and existing immigrants then the country will just become worse. We need to take note from Australia: No immigrant to claim any benefit for first 5 years living here, must have atleast £20,000 in the bank, must have a job and accommodation organised before arrival, must be able to speak flaunt English and must have qualifications with no criminal record
Disgraceful absolutely disgraceful!! They have just taken my fathers disability benefit from him as they deem him fit to work after having list a leg and having chronic arthritis and pericarditis (heart failure). Good job Britain hope your proud!! Feeling very patriotic NOT!!
U K I P
And THIS is one of the many reasons I'm leaving this country for good! So so sad to see what this country has become...
And again I say they've knocked a few quid off my Dear Lady's pension .....
VOTE UKIP...................you know it makes sense.
while my disabled son has to pay for his council services,same as the elderly do too....yet you can come here and get it for nothing.
ukip
disgraceful!! I'm so glad I work hard and pay my taxes to support those that should be supporting themselves. People, foreign or not seem to want everything given to them. I'm 27 been working since I was 16 use to have three jobs now fortunate to have found one that pays the same but still I worked hard to get here!!! Where is the work ethic... ?? I'm also fortunate to have never used the system either.
Disgusting.Make the benefits less and pay workers more!!
This is a distraction!!! Daily mail wants to throw everyones attention off the syria thing.
We are mugs.
And I wonder who is to blame for that? Both the nasty party and labour, it's a pity the politicians don't go to Syria and do the fighting alone.
leave Europe and kick out the benefit claimants, or stop new arrivals from claiming
Because, Andrew,Aylesbury - our so-called 'governments' simply do what the EU tells them to do. And hand over our taxpayers money for the privilege. Yes, UKIP is the only way to save us.
Its getting tougher and tougher to genuinely be proud you have done a days work and are contributing back to society.
Please lets give ukip a chance everyone. Surely they can't do worse than the treacherous three.
The TV programme Benefits Britain 1949 shows how the welfare system was meant to be run. The rules were still in place when I left school in the 1970s - I was not 'entitled' to claim anything because I hadn't paid anything into the system. Now I've worked for 30+ years, when I was made redundant, because I had savings, all that I was 'entitled' to was contribution based JSA for 6 months. That's it? £70 per week limited to 6 months, after all those years of contributing? It makes me sick that my taxes go to pay for others who have not contributed anything to the pot. I will be voting UKIP as they are the only party I have faith will sort this mess out.
Blar, blar, blar, blar, blar-didde-blar, blar,blar,blar.........lol.
I cant wait to get my degree and leave this country. I' am british born and bred and I hate what this country has turned into
UK residents loose out, Eastern block cash in!!. I can see it, why can't the politicians. Lol!.
It seems that our government can start a war in under 48hours including a full recall of parliament but.....a referendum on supporting/funding the EU and all it's citizens will take years to organise....why is this?
Seems that everyone is increasing their reliance on state handouts.. How has the number of uk residents increased over the last five years. These statistics show nothing.
Surely it is now time to say,nothing is given unless you have paid in for 5 years.This will finally cripple the UK. If this was put into the pension pot there would be less problem with that.No wonder British people get angry with politicians when they do not do anything about this issue. And yes ,no wonder ukip are getting strong.
The guys who died in WWI and WWII died for nothing - this country is a disgrace
More to come from Libya, Egypt and Syria. Thanks to our useless politicians.
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance? - wickidpedear , York, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 06:02.........................Er ! My guess the answer to your question would be a big fat NO.
How stupid are the British government, do we have to be on our knees before they stop giving our money away
This is why there is a housing shortage. This is why the NHS is under pressure. This is why the employment figures are high. This is why we need to build more schools. This is why we need to get out of Europe. This is why etc etc.
In times of economic downturn, immigrants are always the hardest hit so I don't see anything strange in these figures. That equal opportunities form filled for every job application has in many instances worked against immigrants.
Yet again....so much money, and so easy to get without having to pay into the system.....time for a change methinks
Don't be under the impression any of the government care. They are only in it for themselves. And why not.
UKIP !
Look at the third world, no work, no pay, no food, very little debt, Western world, no work, benefit, food, and plenty of Debt???, who is right/ who is wrong?
No - you don't say! And how many people did it take to work this out? Ask any British born tax payer and they could have told you this years ago.
And all that mob who keep calling us lazy Brits and all the other people are all working away 24/7 bit of a wake up call
I bet this is a fraction of the true figures. Makes me want to jump off a cliff...
WHY ???????? WHY ???????? WHY
Remember what Liebor told us its called diversification!
This is a disgrace. I'm voting UKIP. No mud slung at them by the national press will change my mind. Nothing else matters to me other than putting a stop to this madness.
Vote UKIP to end this madness!!
My Friends...READ THIS Article carefully !!!! THIS is sooo wrong...I am all for helping folk....but this exploitation is not right at all..............and they want to launch bombs on Syria !!!! I REALLY despair at MY GOVERNMENT....c'mon wake up Dave and sort this !!!!
I thought they were all working hard for Jamie Oliver
The four years 2008-2012 roughly coincide with the recession so it is to be expected that benefits would rise. Figures for UK citizens should also be shown for comparison.
Another 400,000 votes for UKIP. If they have no right to live in the UK, get their Embassies to pay for a one way ticket home.
You can imagine how really ecstatic I was to read this as when I was made redundant 5 years ago I was not even allowed to claim JSA as, according to the jobcentre, as I was a carer I could not committ to 16 hours a week even though I had actually worked part-time for the prevous 27 years. That left me with an income of £53.00 a week from Carers Allowance - (claiming JSA would have meant another £10.00 a week). Why are people who have lived and worked here all of their lives unable to claim yet people coming from another country can and not just £10.00 a week either but hundreds of pounds?
This little island cannot afford to feed and clothe the world I'm afraid.
Cameron sort this appalling abuse out, never mind Syria or elsewhere in the middle east it is none of our business, get a grip on the home problems that are!
Refuse to pay your taxes! They can't jail us all can they?!?
How come immigrants can claim benefits when i can't claim a full state pension because i took time off work to raise my children.
This is why we have to work till 67 to get a pension!!!! People who have worked all their lives and contributed to the Uks taxes always miss out.
only UKIP have the balls to sort this mess out
This is true, I live in Spain 6months a year, and the system works like this, you can claim benefits for 3 months, then the benefit stops, you then have to work for 10 days and you get another 3 months.The lady next door to us is sweeping the streets , no pay but then gets her benefit back.Now wouldnt that be a good idea for our country.Just to see some of the idle layabouts do something for once.Before anyone jumps up and down I worked for 44 years paying tax , which gives me the right to say this, This system in Spain works no work no benefits, easy.
well fancy that;;;who would have believed it. and all them safeguards in place to stop it. 2 more countries to add to that number soon.
Tax payers revolt and vote UKIP.
400k foreign claimants is nothing compared to the 5.88 MILLION Brits claiming. I bet the majority of the Brits claiming have not worked a day in their life
I work with a Czech guy who claims for five children, all back home. If it is his right , so be it. But when your own people are having benefits reduced and the sick being asked to work. With more people at food banks and pensioners being asked to leave homes that they have lived in all their adult lives, to accommodate families often from overseas, I ask you? Is this fair?
Sorry to say, but U.K.I.P. seems the only option every time I read this Paper.
Successive governments have told us that immigrants do not qualify for automatic benefits. Have they been lying to us? I am shocked! Only one way to prevent the "melt down" of Britain, vote UKIP!
Disgraceful
This makes me so mad!!!!!
My mate has been living in Latvia and Lithuania for nearly ten years now reasons best known to himself, is currently out of work and homeless, and has so far not been able to collect a Euro in social benefits. What with the farce of the European Union; what with Cameron and Hague looking for their 'Falklands' moment, an ever widening gap is opening up between government and the governed. They've cut our armed forces to the bone, and then they want a war? Fiendish logic if you ask me. Nobody could be that stupid without a hidden agenda.
I would like to hear the justifications of those in charge, our so called leaders, for the decisions that they have made over the years that have changed our country so dramatically in such a short space of time. I would also like to know what they intend to to reverse the situation or at least stop it deteriorating further. ALL of the parties involved should hang their heads in shame. I'm all for helping those in need but we cannot solve the problems of the world nor give endless shelter to the less well off from abroad. Our system is rapidly reaching breaking point and our daily lives are becoming more stressfull. Hospitals are full, there are no jobs, the roads are full and there are no houses. Why are the doors still open?
So will they still keep telling us that immigration is good for the economy as if we didn't already know the truth. Please god, when will someone grow a spine and get a grip on this? Depressingly, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is the government giving out handouts to people without british citizenship?
Message to the world come to our country, free education, health, housing and even free money for not working! We must be the laughing stock of the world, pathetic.
This is a surprise !!!! Only to the politicians who do not have the backbone to stop it. They need to act fast before the beleaguered taxpayer takes to the streets. There is only so much we can take. I agree forget about Syria, get a grip on immigration. It has to be the number one top priority, we have had enough.
Don't forget the child benefit paid to those who are working and whose families still live in their home country. Benefits all round - except for the tax-paying Brits. Kerching! Forget being the world's policeman, we're the world's social services.
David Cameron,me thinks should be dealing with the great problems he has here in the UK,including those outlined in this article,rather than meddling in Syria.
Spanish & US benifit rules please don't pay in you can't get out and your not a resident / citizen you don't get given! simples.. Oh and if they must pay them then 1949 rules!!
It simple there should be no pay-outs till they have paid into the system for at least 2 years like Australia and even then the Money they receive should equate to the money they put in. We need to change this country's something for nothing culture to You Only Get Out What You Put In
This is bad enough but what the public deserve to know is exactly how many immigrants who were given British passports during the Blair/Brown years are claiming benefits? And how much does it cost? Hard working, skilled British families are leaving the country in droves and being replaced by unskilled welfare claimants.
How many more foreigners are also paying taxes now though?
The only sensible solution would be a European Union benefit paid to everybody who is a member of the EU, but not a national of that country. Lets say a Hungarian claims benefits in the UK but is disqualified because he has not worked here for a period of 5 years continuous full time work, he then has to apply to the EU benefits office which grants him a pre agreed sum of money while he is actively looking to steal a British persons job. Let the EU be held responsible not the poor British Tax payer who to be frank have enough of their own unemployed to deal with.
Now please tell us how many NON foreigners are claiming and the percentage increase that number represent in the same time period. I suspect another one sided piece of journalism from DM that is designed to breed fear and hatred amongst the readers.
LIES. All the time lies. That's all we get from our leaders. WE NEED UKIP IN TO SORT THIS OUT.
Migration Watch and their 50,000! Have a look at the European Social Statistics publication of July 2013. It forecasts a rise in population of 15 million by 2060. That is 320,000 NET immigration per year every year. Given that migration is about 200,000 per year and therefore must be added back to give a reasonable immigration figure of 500,000 per year. Sorry Migration Watch, you missed out a zero! Think of the effect of this volume of non-U.K. citizens on health, education and social cohesion!
Totally predictable. We all know that many come and work hard for a year or two so they can access the welfare system. Once they have access to the sytem they can milk it dry. Once they are on the gravy train its impossible to get off. I really resent paying taxes to support our own Jeremy Kyle scroungers as well as a new generation of foreign benefits tourists and the situation will get worse next year. Why does our Government continually ignore us, tell us to tighten our belts and then give away our tax savings to people who have no right to it, or keep wasting it on wars that have got nothing to do with us???????????????????????????????????
We are a soft touch country and the cost in years to come will ..cost us dearly... ... Giving away more money every year cannot be sustained... ......That's basic logic...so why vote for our 650 MPs to continue this unregulated hemerage..... Of give away moneys to people that have not contributed from other countries... That is financial suicide ...... This country is sinking in give away self inflicted debt .....by MPs
So that means there's billions that could be saved and spent on more important things like paying the national debt, increase nhs spending, stopping cutting services that are needed, etc. We really do need to stop being a country that let's the world and it's wife walk all over us, close the border and stop payments to people who haven't paid into the system for at least 5 years.
yet,i ...a born and bread brit,who worked and save gets told i'm not entitled to anything as i have too much savings.
If I could stop paying my taxes, I would. I'm sick of being fleeced so that we can give the money to all the lazy benefit scroungers in the UK and now all the immigrants who are jumping on the gravy train!
surprise surprise tell us something we don't know and in the mean time i have to work an additional 6 years before i get my pension by which time i will have worked for 50 years that's fair NOT
Contrast this with Indians not 'Asians' you will find a tiny tiny minority claiming benefits. Easily the most successful immigrant community in the UK. Immigration has its benefits if you offer everything on the plate to people where is the incentive to work and get on. Scroungers think we are mugs but now we are international mugs for everyone to exploit.
Nigel, HELP!
The problem isn't just the immigration policies it is the state handouts let's base them on income and limit the years
We give them so much aid, but they still come here to earn benefits. Maybe government should be asking themselves if the aid that they give to these countries is being used appropriately.
Stop the welfare! If you have two arms and two legs you can work! That's how it is in Singapore! No welfare there they HAVE to work!
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first - earl b, Birmingham Here here!!
And don't forget to add foreign aid to all this.
Get out of this country, take your wealth with you, and leave the festering mess behind for the Labour party and their band of idealistic incompetents to carry on funding, in ever growing numbers and costs. The Labour party wants the entire world to become as poor as the poorest person in the world - it's their underlying aim.
As long as seriously ill and disabled British people who have paid tax and National insurance have their benefits taken away or denied though, ay, Mr Duncan-Smith?
EU rules are absolutely clear on this. You only have the right to stay in another EU country if you have work or are seriously seeking, and have a prospect of, finding work. That gives you a window of only three months to stay in a country. It is NOT about going to the EU country paying the most generous benefits. The rules are there to be enforced and other EU citizens who do not meet these requirements can be deported. Why is Britain not doing this, as several other EU countries actually DO?
Why do immigrants who haven't worked and are on benefits qualify for citizenship? Surely one of the requirements ought to be that they are contributing something worthwhile to this country, not helping to drain it dry.
My mother worked hard all her life,had to give up work because of ill health,she was refused benefits said she wasn't entitled, I would like to know how migrants can get it,and the dwp say the system is fair.
Sigh. What did we expect.What an unholy mess.
ok no problem, as we have paid money out in benifits to europian citi-zens, deduct it from what we have to pay into the europian slush fund soon we wont pay a peny in... :)
What happened to we welcome all immigrants as they contribute to the economy ?,another Government lie. Many just take with no intention of doing anything else,but then the ordinary,common sense people of the UK have known this for years. Labour have always encouraged immigration, Conservatives make timid attempts to control it,but in the end our masters in the EU will decide UK policy as usual. Bow to Angela or vote for a party who will so something,the choice is ours.
Send a bill to Brussells. All EU countries should have to declare how much they are paying in benefits to foreign nationals - Britain will be street ahead. We should get a rebate - we could call it the Common Benefits Policy - and should be paid back by Brussells for the scroungers coming here from other EU countries. If you are unemployed in the EU you should have to return to your native land to be unemployed there - and NOT a burden on a host country. Simple.
No surprises there then, this continuous "leaking" of rate payers money will finally bancrupt this Country and the people who actually paid into the system wll receive nothing. It was so predictable that it shames the the so called "leaders " of this once great and thriving Country who have contributed to its inevitable downfall.
Sorry rickyo, charleston. I didnt mean to red down your comment, slip on the finger. If it allowed me I would have green arrowed up one thousand times for your comment!!
No benefits, no housing, no free NHS, problem solved because they won't come here but a quicker solution would be to get us out of Europe and close the borders. Vote UKIP Vote UKIP
to all the the people who were red arrowed about the Inland Revenue worker claiming tax credits, this is why I understood what you were saying and green arrowed your comments. If it ain't money being wasted on MPs its this and if you are willing to take back what you've 'paid in' why not? These people will never contribute but are on this lovely gravytrain for life!
400'000. being given handouts, with no medical by atos and no need to find a job because it will infringe their human rights, all at the top of the housing list with huge grants to furnish the place, but if your a born and bread Brit, then you have no hope, even the dead are told to go to work by atos because they are under trained bafoons with no idea. This country is now a complete lost cause and neither UKIP or anyone will be able to save her if this government carrys on the way it is. However you the public can take a stand.
Vote Ukip its as simple as ABC
I got out of the UK seven years ago...Thank god!!
Thanks Blair
Yeah they are really making a difference to British society!!! What we do without them her claiming welfare!! After all isn't it their human right to claim benefits from the British
I am surprised it took DM such a long time to publish this story. Probably you kept too busy with the celebrity (most of them self acclaimed) hook up and break ups. To me this this is the biggest problem at present and poses threat as the best economy destroyer in future. Sad part is that that this issue is last on any polotical party's agenda being directly affecting their vote bank. However if not tackled now will ruin the country. The country is slowly dividing into two classes- one who earn and pay taxes and the other that takes it away as benefits. The earlier shrinking in size. I have no motivation to work harder for myself as it indirectly for the leeches that the benefit system helps. There is this system called benefit tourism where people from all these EU countries are encouraged to settle in UK due to its generous benefit systems. Pathetic !!
....SEND THE BILL TO TONY BLAIR.
Wow, who'd have thought that would happen!
I agree with Earl, lets concentrate on the UK Mr Cameron. Tighter security on the ports. Stricter immigration policies and certainly if a crime is committed then deportation a certainty after sentence.
No doubt the BBC and Ch4 will report this as "Good News"
this is just great what a country the MP's have made for us punish the old and disabled but lets give away money to those who have never paid into the system
We need to do away with our political system and put in place people who have no political affiliation to run the country. These career politicians have destroyed Britain in the last thirty years.
This figure will rocket from January 2014, with the money they can get on benefit it just isn't worth some people working. They will be on benefit for years, never contributing only taking.
This will not be sorted because this government is out of touch with reality taking as many holidays per year as poorer people take baths due to water rate charges AND they do not live cheek by jowl or shop in the same areas as these immigrants do therefore they are not affected in anyway .They trot out the same old spiel changes will be made to how many are allowed into this country, WHAT about the ones that are here ?. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CUTTING BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.
hang on...arent all immigrants hard working and all brits lazy according to idiots like jamie oliver? blows that stupid argument out the water. oh, and these are goverment figures so the true number is probably two to three times that.......
I have no idea why foreigners even want to come to UK anymore. I would leave if I could afford to
You mean there not all working while the lazy english prefer to be at home watching skye and drawing benefits well well, and this is news eh!!! Well not to me or anyone else who have to live in the real world who are blessed with even half a brain, may i suggest that maybe the sheer numbers of both legal and illegal are not doing us any good, has it occured to any of our elected leaders that we would not have a housing crisis or shortage of REAL jobs or the N.H.S at breaking point or the benefit system in chaos and so on and so on. There is only so much cake you can share until you have to accept less and less until there is nothing left for anyone .
So? Britain must pay back all it stole during the Empire.
Worked all my life and never claimed. So kind of me to provide money for immigrants!!!
Not surprising really, consecutive governments have totally failed on immigration and welfare. But how could Labour have been so foolish to have allowed this situation to occur in the first place!
If you are in Switzerland and from the EU if you lose your job you can claim until your contributions run out. Then your visa is withdrawn and you have to leave. Makes sense to me
What will it take to stop half the World, with no connection to the UK, coming here to live off the current taxpayers?
Defo need to get out of the EU and put a stop to being the easy ride for these people...
The article somewhat neglects to mention that to be eligible for benefits in the UK any non-UK nationals have to prove both residency and that they are registered as a WORKER. (Residency meaning they live here and either pay rent or own a home, and registered as a worker meaning are either working or looking for work. So they are contributing to the UK just as much as anyone else.)
when i left school you could not get any benefits until you had worked for a year so why is it anybody can walk into this country and get it ,we spend billions on foreign aid to most of these countries what is not passed on to the people so then they come here to get it ,stop the foreign aid and use it to pay for this unholy mess that were in and get rid of all the overbloated overseas aid civil servants who cry we must keep helping them but are afraid that their cushy jobs with all the trips abroad would end
So are they stealing our jobs or only coming here to claim benefits? Make your mind up!
So why does the government keep telling us the the foreigners aren't allowed to claim and aren't getting a penny. More lies.
Never mind Syria.....we need need to sort out our own mess....
Maybe Jamie Oliver will employ them all .
It's our fault not controlling immigration
And you wonder why all other services get cut, you cannot have such an influx without it costing somewhere.
Maybe allowed for 6 months and if not got job by then they have to leave country !!!!
Only in UK!! Benefits should be for UK citizens only. This country is a joke when it comes to benefits.
These migrants have no right to work in UK, but get the right to earn benefits. That is back to front for me.
why do we allow this, if your not a british citizen then you shouldnt be allowed to claim benefits...its not hard to grasp is it...go to the job center, show your passport, no passport, no benefits. 1 year with no work and no valid reason for it, benefits stop. simple
Always looking to involve "Africans". Your problem is the flood of Eastern Europeans who have come here mainly to claim free cash that come here freely without any restrictions not Africans. I don't know why this government can't just own up to the fact that they made a mistake with this whole EU thing instead of making Africans and Asians a scape goat...kmt. Red arrow all you like; it doesn't affect me.
This makes me sick... my 21 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in January, subsequently having surgery then radical radiotherapy and he's been denied any kind of benefits and he IS a British citizen!!! As much as he wants to finish school and get a job, he can't.
...and what about the massive increase from Asia/Middle East?
406,000 out of millions and millions. Pales when you consider how much is being paid out to Nationals. As of Febuary of 2013, there were 5.7 million working age benefit claimants. 1.59 million people claiming Employment and Support Allowance. The number of working age claimants of ESA and incapacity benefits totalled 2.48 million. 505,000 lone parents claiming Income Support. 12.8 million claimants of State Pension, of these 40% were male and 60% female. 2.46 million claimants of Pension Credit (3.00 million including partners). 3.30 million recipients of Disability Living Allowance, 1.52 million recipients of Attendance Allowance and 631,000 recipients of Carer's Allowance. Finaly, as of May 2013, the total number of people claiming Housing Benefit was 5.07 million. So I'm not so bothered about 406,000 immigrants, we wouldn't really notice if they stopped claiming...
Solution: everyone has to work for a living. Why do people think that a welfare state is a good thing?
Don't tell our Prime Minister he's to busy trying to get backing to wage war.
The is ridiculous, the only way to stop this problem is to say that anyone entering this country has to support themselves and their families for five years before they are entitled to health, housing or any other kind of benefits. Stop the benefits to people who have been here for less than five years. I know it would be hard and a lot of money would be spent sending anyone home who could not support themselves but we have got to start looking out for ourselves.
Sounds like UKIP is your only hope.
Government has got to sort this - why should British people pay taxes for this?
I don't understand how so many are getting benefits, I am from Canada and have been here 2 years and my spousal visa says directly on it " not entitled to recourse of benefits..." or something to that degree. So how are so many other foreigners getting them? We had to show all our finance and prove we were able to live without claiming (partner is a teacher, I am at moment a stay at home mum) I just don't get it... even job seekers here, how long are you allowed on it? back home when I got laid off I was entitled to my Employment insurance benefit, which I paid into, for only 24 weeks then new job or not tough it ended. Why allow people to remain on benefits indefinitely when they are not ill or disabled? It's nonsensical. *stepping down from soapbox*
If you can claim without paying in, and you allow uncontrolled immigration to people with no jobs, any 6 year old could tell you the system will collapse. Ditto the health service. It is no good blaming fully paid up pensioners.
Hands up all those who think we're better off financially within the EU.
None of the major parties have the will or the courage to tackle this problem and they will just continue to give handouts to foreigners,who should not be entitled to them,indefinately,at the expense of their own people.
Polish neighbour said that he's back off to live in Peterborough next week "because the council are more generous with their benefits". U.K.I.P.
Its astonishing how many people I know are turning to UKIP.They are our only hope before things end up turning really ugly. Brits have had enough.
Its rather simple find work in 6 weeks or leave!!! Vote ukip.
NO!....DO YOU THINK....!
The amount coming in January will run into thousands more for us the British tax payer to keep.welcomed into our country by Cameron who assures us all that its making our country a better place. Cameron is akin to Nero, Fiddling while the country burns. Cameron is destroying the Tory party and that's why we are flocking to UKIP. It's our last and only hope.
This is complete madnesses and its only going to get worse. I've never been able to claim a single penny even though I've paid into it all my life...
JClarke3012, South West, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 03:22 How do you know they will put an end to it? Didnt tories claim to deal with the immigration issue- nothing done. This is all labours doing!
We live in a country where people get paid for doing nothing and you wonder why people from other countries want to get in on the act. But Bob Geldoff has got his wish UK is now feeding the world or at least giving benefits to the world.
Just stop, yes stop, none, nil, no more payments for until we can 1. Afford it & 2.have a system we can reply on for benefits. It would stop, in an instant, whoever tries to claim for the wrong reasons!
And whays wrong with thay.Its what liebour wanted so lets live with it.I enjoy working 50 hours a week to pay for handouts.Time to sell up and go on the rock and role myself and reep the benefits.
And our inept bloody useless Government allows it to go on and on and on ............................. UKIP for me to stop this country been the toilet of the mighty EU
I still don't understand why we won't receive any benefits abroad but we just and give. Even though I don't one voter wants it. Thanks guys
B-b-b-but this MUST be wrong , because the Left has been telling us for years how much immigrants help the economy. Oh , hang on - could it possibly be that the DM article is CORRECT and that it's the Left who have lied through their teeth ? Hmmm.....
Kinda kills that whole immigrants are "harder working" myth doesn't it?
Come on people!! If Britain is a rich or strong country, it's because of Africa. Read the terrible history and find out what they have done and still doing to Africa.from the vibration on our mobile phones to the crown on our beloved queens head and many more... Say whatever you want to say to immigrants from other countries but not AFRICANS!!!
The next election can't come soon enough - for the sake of our children please vote UKIP.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder , HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 02:35 --------------- Failed system indeed! It seems the poor British tax payer is subsidising large areas of the world together with immigrants from those same parts of the world, together with the immigrants from Europe. All of this would change dramatically if Britain had the good sense to rid itself of the infamous EU. The whole set up is a disaster.
And you people will still vote at the next election. DON'T VOTE!!!! When will you learn? Bobby, Leicester
No surprise there. Why go and get a job when the benefits system is so lucrative and you can sit and watch tv all day. The benefit system in this country encourages people to do nothing.
if you add dependents it is a huge amount of money we spend on immigration.Cant we just stop importing the low skilled from the four corners of the earth (and maybe offer incentives to those that will never be beneficial to go back)
Yeah and how many pensioners can't afford to eat or it their heating on in winter- this country is a disgrace! Stop letting people who haven't paid into the system claim.
It's so wrong because my friend moved here from Canada, she had to prove she had enough money to survive if she lost her job, enough money for a flight home... when she did lose her job through redundancy she wasn't entitled to any benefits and yet these people come over here and become a massive drain on the system...
Tell us something we didn't know. You see them walking around the streets all the time. There is no way they could support themselves without taxpayers assistance. They are clogging up the schools, clogging up the housing, clogging up the hospitals and drive on our roads without passing an UK driving test. Vote UKIP.
The British Tax Payer is a mug!
We need to get out of the EU
UKIP.
We cannot afford to keep on paying this money out. We MUST impose the sort of rule that was used when our welfare society was first established. If you have not paid in for a significant time then you get nothing!
I resent these payments to the people who have never contributed a single penny towards the welfare system. I am 71 and still work full time and pay my dues!
One years NI contribution and they can have a pension unlike us who are penalised if we don,t put in forty years.
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once. DM please release my comments!!!!! its been 3 tries!!!
I was talking to a spanish guy the other day and i was asking him how come he moved to the UK if he liked it here and stuff like that. He said he had a job in Spain that pays him €1,500 a month plus his wife was working full time as well, they have two children. He said if he could get benefits he would stick around as life here would be "easier", if he didn't he would go back and take his old job and keep working. So is not only Romanian that's ruining the system, take a good look and stop being so racist! In my opinion only British people should get housing benefits, immigrants WHO PAYS TAKES should have limited access to it so no one would take advantage of it and they would stop breeding and asking for benefits.
British passport holders only should get benefits, and only those that have paid tax for a minimum of 5years. Put this billions saved into education and health services, housing and transport
Here's an idea DM, quit reporting the obvious that we all pretty much know and that way the hard working people who have to go to work early in the morning while all the lay abouts are still in bed waiting for re-runs of jeremy kyle dont have to feel miserable everyday thinking there going to work for nothing?
It will go our headstone " The UK was Generous but stupid"
Things will only get worse untill we have UKIP in government.
Oh well never mind, according to Cameron there is still enough left in my hard earned pockets to fund another war too, I must be richer than I even knew.
Wait until the floodgates open in 2014
Really ? ..... Well that for eign work-ethic argument didn't last long, did it ?
And you are surprised that we British are sick of working to pay taxes to keep these people who have put 0 into the system. Maybe we have become lazy because of this.
Cameron sits in his Ivory Tower planning air strikes while Britain sinks, This is not what I have paid taxes for all my life and will be voting UKIP. No one should get a penny unless paid into the system.
Do away with benefits to anyone not born in Britain. Yes you can come and live/work here. But dont expect a handout. If you pay tax for 3 years you can even use the NHS as long as you conitye in work. Otherwise you must carry private insurance. Until we say no the rot will continue.
It is only right that if people qualify they get benefits. The same benefits are there for you too, should you ever have the mis-fortune to require them.
Come on - make your mind up - one minute they're taking all our jobs and Jamie Oliver wouldn't have any restaurants without them, and the next minute they're all workshy scroungers? Have a careful look at where these supposed stats come from before making your judgement...
This is the war on our doorstep we should be fighting.
Just a short and (in)sincere thankyou to Tony Bliar from the bottom of my stomach for his generosity and kindness in allowing in 'anyone and everyone' from the A8 countries at a time when pretty much every other EU state said "No!" Bliar you are a traitor to this country and your party... but I gather the JP Morgan salary more than makes up for it eh? were you not part of the establishment you would have been in the Hague a long time ago!!
What have the public been saying ?! Yet, STILL, they allow those who come here to live can claim benefits and allowances without having put one penny into ''the pot'' ! Time to stop this unfair nonsense which is destroying this , once, lovely country.
Are the same payments offered to British citizens living in other countries in the EU, I don't think so, Britain is the laughing stock of the World.
It's absolutely disgraceful! It amazes me that everyone wonders why this country is going to pot. This is obviously the main reason. The system is being abused by immigrants and we the honest taxpayers are just sitting back and watching it happen and so is our government. Something needs to be done and fast as this is getting out of control and will only lead to trouble and unrest eventually. UKIP needs to be given a chance. Let's face it nobody could do any worse than this awful lot that are governing now.
open borders and soft politicians. don't ya just love em.
Well what a shock.... NOT! Blair said this would never happen and we all said it would and he called us racist so that the conversation could never be had and the problem brushed under the carpet.... he should be tried for treason
This has got to be stopped
I'm African and marjority of us works we came here to better ourselves and as soon as I get to where I want I'm going back as this country is a JOKE!!! the more you work you get taxed but the lazy you are you get rewarded.... Tbh UK people your country fellow men and woman are the ones you need to concentrate on cause without foreigners working their backsides off this country is going down and very fast as I've never seen lazy people that moan and moan about nothing in my life!!!! So get it right you need foreigners!!!!
At first I started to write to complain about this sorry mess our previous and present leaders have dragged this once great nation down to, but whats the use, nobody in our government is listening or give a rats a*rse in what I have to say. I'm sitting back now and WAITING, waiting for the next general election when I and many others like me can have our say and change the face of this country for the better, for the future of out grandchildren -UKIP
There is no greater pleasure then spending other peoples's money!
Tell us something we didn't already know! Despite what the government presumes, we are not complete fools!
Please don't keep printing stories like this DM. Because it really makes my blood boil and ruins my day and there's nothing I can do about it.
So lets get involved in another war to take the focus off immigration and what will happen in Jan 2014 !!!!!!
Overheard a group of immigrants at a local boot sale the other week one couple had bumped into another and their newborn baby. The first couple then said your ok now you've had a baby you will get to stay you wont be sent home. The UKs gone mad..... even immigrants know how to work the system and we are too PC to do a thing about it.
Coming to light now just what damage Liebour did when in power!
How come these people are allowed to walk in and pick up cash, here in OZ its 2 years after entering the country as a legal immigrant that you can get anything in benefits.
Another example of why I will be voting UKIP. get these people out of our country so we can look after our own.
So pleased that myself & my partner both have the pleasure of full time jobs and each have second jobs as we desperately try to save a deposit so we can buy our 1st house and then consider starting a family. Thank you so much dear government for allowing us the privilege of supporting so many people who have not added to our economy & thank you again for not giving a rats behind about us hard working uk tax payers. Would you like some of my blood too?
Really, sarcasm will not help.
Are we surprised? I'm so fed up of all this - I ask myself why do I bother working? The whole system is a joke - bring back the system from 1949!! UKIP are coming in......
I am sick of paying huge taxes to give a cushy life to work shy Brits and scrounging foreigners. So I'm moving to Oz where I'll get to keep more of my hard earned money. Britain is ruining itself with its lax laws.
Just what we wanted to read before going off to work to pay more tax to subsidise these scroungers! Send them back!
They should not be allowed in unless they have a job to come to and the employer pays sufficient to support that person fully. No family in unless the worker fully supports them and they have to leave when contract ends. If they do not enter the country legally then no benefit. Can we go to France looking for work and get housed free NO.
It is all too easy to get the state to support and pay for entire existance. Generally those that are prepared to work will receive little or even nothing at all, as they will most likely have have the determination and own personal respect to sort them selves out. When my wife was made redundant a month before giving birth, we where given nothing. Once we had the baby we receved state funded paternety pay, and nothing more. We where told that we could not get working tax credits or anything else for that matter. As my sallary was over £33,000 we where denied everything. Our Despite our mortgage being over £1200 a month, leaving us just £600 a month to pay for every thing else. Out out goings where £200 a month more then i was bringing in. We have both worked our entire adult lives, never claiming a thing and both paying both tax and NI for over 35 years between us. As i said, those who need a little help will always get an answer off no.
we have to start to encourage these people to go back to where they come from, not entice them here with free handouts, the sooner we leave the EU the better.
And I always thought we Brits were smart. Wrong!
When is this crass stupidity going to stop?
As one Bulgarian said to me 'the UK is golden land!` says it all really. The Government are on cloud cuckoo land as in January there will be many more claiments to add to the hundreds of thousands already claiming.
Madness Total Madness........Lunatics running the Asylum!!
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once.
Makes me weep, we are fast losing services our children's futures are not secure, no housing for them, failing health service and education. Our pensions will be the next to be affected I've said or years if you've paid into a private pension to top up your government one you WILL lose your state pension as there will not be enough money. They will say you have to live on your private one as there is not enough money to pay for ones who have not either worked or saved for their retirement. Hard workers are on a hiding to nothing.
What a pity the Government cannot show the same enthusiasm on immigration control as it has for Syria where sabre rattling goes on at a high level, with costs already mounting. really what is wrong with British Politics ??
Anyone surprised by this news I doubt it.
Would I be able to claim benefits in these countries? No, I wouldn't. So why does this government think it's OK to spend OUR taxes on benefits for people who have never paid into the system? We cannot afford to keep the world and his mother in benefits.
While many of these have the right to claim benefits due to their coming from Commonwealth countries, there are many more from outside the Commonwealth. Having said that,neither group should have an automatic right and this must end now. We cannot afford it, and it only encourages greater immigration, which is damaging to this country. We have been a soft touch for far too long. The percentage by which the benefits bill has risen due to immigration is astonishing and must not be allowed to rise any further.
and they state the english young are lazy , what they talkin about
Wrong!
Our politicians must think every taxpayer in the UK has fool stamped on their forehead.{I don't mean fool really I'm being polite.
Why the hell are so many from Asia and the Middle East claiming benefits here?
been in UK for twenty yrs from Kenya. I always worked and paid my taxes. why can't this mess be sorted?
From the International Health Service to a International Benefits System, no wonder we are broke!
Don't understand why immigrants are eligible at all (or have free access to schools or NHS). There should be a suitable period and/or amount of employment/earning/tax paying before having access to pulic funds and services. This means come with private health insurance, have a secure job, and send your kids to a fee paying school. If conditions are breached after arrival, then go home or get a friend/family member to pay. I massively resent paying any amount of tax to subsidise health, welfare, and education of those who will never be a net-contributor to our economy.
Oh yes. And that figure most likely dosnt include the cost to the tax payer via the NHS and free education. I feel angry that genuine benefit claimants from is country are being stigmatised by the government for costing so much money and our elderly and disabled are suffering hugely when a large proportion of the problem is outlined in this report. Just disgusting.
We owe these people NOTHING.
These facts are truly unbelievable. Disgusting. Why Why Why are we paying these migrants "benefits" ?? These migrants governments won't pay them these "benefits". If I go to Poland, for example, I will not be able to claim "benefits", so why can Poles and other migrants come to UK and claim ? Millions of UK citizens are really struggling to keep their heads above water, yet, as quoted, billions is leaking out the back door.
I lived and worked in several overseas countries at no time was I entitled to any benefits in any of those places at any time.
@MH414.....totally agree with you. This is what I can't understand. Get one family member in and hey ho....
this government attacks our own sick,disabled, poor and pensioners and then give it all to parasites flooding this country with more to come next year.
From abroad - not working and claiming benefits? Then you must be removed and sent back to your home country ASAP. No 'human rights' rubbish or other silly edicts from the rubbish in Strasbourg - just get out!
WHY DO WE LET THEM DO THIS?! IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!
This is why we will be voting for UKIP A BRITISH PARTY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE we want our country back, and we will get it back......
When is any uk government going to stand up?Enough is enough.
And then there are the countrymen and women who work hard all their lives and put into the system non stop only to find they have eye watering hurdles to jump over when they, through no fault of their own, do have to use the system. These are the people who are entitled to use the system but the system fails relentlessly!! And then the government wonders why people are so angry...they haven't got a clue!!
Since we also have to pay housing and other benefits to non-uk "workers" on un-employment benefit, it would be cheaper to encourage them to go back home by continuing the un-employment benefit when they have gone. Cheaper still, just pay them the benefit back in Eastern Europe so they don't have to come here in the first place. We could estimate how many people will need it, and just send it over.
just wait until next year
Oh these must be the immigrants we need To boost the economy and pay the pensions of the retired!!!
Get out of the EU, dump human rights laws and vote UKIP or continue down this road. When the money in the coffers gets too low under Liblabcon our old age pensioners will have their money taken but this lot will still get theirs.
It's a joke. Nobody should be claiming any sort of benefits, not unless they have made a sizeable contribution to the pot. And we wonder why we are short of money. Not blaming immigrants, but it has certainly not helped out our own situation. We are set to do this all over again come Jan 2014. The majority will find work, the majority will pay taxes, but again there will be percentage forced on to benefits, and those that do work will get all the standards benefits of being in the UK, free schools, doctors, hospitals and other services. It all costs more and more money.
This proves that immigration brings only good things to the country. Well, as far as DWP staff are concerned who now have good old jobs for life again dealing with all these claims!
Time we dealt with it properly, no qualifications we want , no entry ! The problem will only escalate unless we get tough. Furthermore please remember a lot of these migrants travel across several European borders to get here. Still word is still out there that the UK is a soft touch !
I throught that charity begins at home. Lets see what spin that Mr C can come up with.
It appears to suit someone's political agenda - wait till the bubble bursts!
wish I were a foreigner in my own Country, I'd probably have more success with my benefit claim. I'd certainly be entitled to various different benefits and free courses if I was. That is my experience.
Now there's a superise
Meanwhile the state retirement age increases from 65 to 66 then quickly to 68 cos we can't afford to pay thepension. For who''ve worked for years but due to the kind of work and / or slight congenital illnesses / disabilities can't continue, even in apart time job because of their medical condition the futures very bad. If over a life time you saved at least £16k you get no financial support from the state. You are required to live off your savings until they run dry or the state pension becomes payable. For the aged with disabilities the future is not good. You'll work whilst you're in pain , then your employer will sack you when you can't do your job, then the state will squeeze you some more until you're broke financially, physically and mentally ... you'll be left to die in poverty because you were unlucky not to be born as physicaly strong as others or sustained injuries working! Meanwhite, those who've never paid into the system take all that you've paid in? How can this
Don't get me started..........
Nobody who hasn't paid into the system for x amount of years should be able to claim.
How can an illegal immigrant claim benefits?! That just sums this country up! A bloody joke!
Every man and his dog can claim and the UK is fast disappearing down the toilet.
No matter what evidence emerges, our politicians seem oblivious to the fact that immigration is NOT good for the UK. There is a simple solution and that is to stop all immigration now and stop payment of benefits to any illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants should receive no benefits unless they have worked here for a minimum of 5 years. Unless our politicians take positive action now then our whole benefits system will simply be crushed by the ever increasing numbers of claimants.
"Number of foreigners claiming UK benefits leaps 41% in 5 years: More than 400,000 now handed payouts that cost taxpayers billions each year." Well, well, well, who would have thought it, foreigners coming here to claim benefits. Come on Cable, grow a pair, come on Cameron, Clegg, Harman, Cooper, Blunkett, Straw and Balls, get some and stop this ludicrous insistence that foreigners all come here to work and instead once a foot is in the door they bring over the rest of their family or even families. All politicians were warned about this situation time and again over the last decade and longer but they all turned a deaf ear. Get a grip of immigration instead of following the PC brigade and their line.
Can I have a tax rebate please. The only benefits either myself or my ex wife claimed were a small amount of tax credit and child benefit. My children are out in the world supporting themselves and have been since they were 18 and none of us have been a burden on the NHS. As a single man living on my own I think if I lost my job, the chances of me ever being able to claim anything like the amount of benefits being paid to foreigners is very unlikely. I shall be voting UKIP because I am fed up of being taken for a ride by self serving politicians who have nothing but their own interests at heart.
Hang on, I thought they had a magnificent work ethic, and that they had come here to work and do the jobs the lazy British won't do. Isn't that what the Thought Police have been telling us? Now we see that not ony have they de-valued our job market, but they are quite happy to caim benefits paid for by the lazy British for the lazy British. As predicted by all but the most greedy employers and our strangely disconnected succession of governments, mass imigration is resulting in abuse and fracture in our society.
UK becoming America?
ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
To describe our politicians as misguided, deluded, incompetent, PC idiots would be the understatement of the century. And they are doing WHAT to fix this mess?
And yet the government still pedals the same myth that immigrants pay more in than they take out, if they know how many then they should be able to tell us how they are paying out and should publish the full cash amount per year of how much they are paying out, they will not as there will be uproar.
What a joke! How has this happened. I just don't understand this country. They are quite happy to continue to ruin us.
And this clown we have will do nothing to stop it he wants to go to war instead of getting our own country's problems sorted out.
Over to you Cameron, are we to hear more talk or see some action? I think I know what it will be as does everyone else.
We told you so and keep telling you. No wonder they all want to come here. Is it really necessary to say it? Vote UKIP!
It's all OK because Tony Bliar is going to foot the bill for all his little Darlings
No no no no! You should have to pay taxes for AT LEAST 1 year before you're eligible to claim benefits as an immigrant!!!
Cameron is doing nothing to stop it at all. Vote UKIP or we are doomed!
Thank you bLIAR!!!
And back in the real world British disabled are being forced back to work by a French company just to save money for the government. How many foreign disability claimants are being told to return to work or even start work for the first time. I can tell you, none. The government don't want to be called racist but its ok to attack our own who have paid taxes for years. Time this was looked at.
Don't worry, still a drop in the Ocean compared to the billions paid to British citizens!!!
Sorry regardless of what our EU friends say that we must pay the same benefits to all EU migrants living and working over here. You should have to pay in for at least 5 years to even start drawing any benefits.. I will also voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess..
and still they only target /demonise british claimants as feckless scroungers whilst paying not born/bred here people fortunes to come here to live ,cut the benefits to non brits they will soon stop arriving what can our blind politicians not see ?
Total reform is needed, the system is close to collapse. Time to have a flat rate payment which is payed in proportion to the number of years contributions, from say ten years contributions 100% to no contributions zero.
And our woolly political class do nothing. They wonder why we hate them - there is no money for our own and we have enough lazy people who could work. So that is why I shall be voting UKIP the only party that is addressing this and many more things our little posh boys (all three) have no idea about.
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
If it is made so easy for them to claim benefits, who can blame them?. There are many immigrants that now work in the areas that dispense these hand outs i.e. dole, NHS, immigration dept., ,local council etc. etc. etc., do you not think they are not assisted or even fast tracked to handouts????????. COME ON UK. WAKE UP STOP BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
UK, Social Services provider for the rest of the World. What the hell are our Politicians and Civil Servants playing at. Disgusted. I,m definitely voting UKIP!
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
People that come into the Uk should be able to support themselves , not the British taxpayer
What a mess our country is in, I dread to think what our country will be like in 10 years time, we are swamped with people who should not be here, why does the goverment not listed to the people who pay their wages
More fool you lot...
Nice to see where my taxes are going, rather than funding better schools, health care and social security for workers and decent pension schemes.
We need to make it harder to get benefits we can't continue like this!
Hey you all must be wrong, leftys keep telling us that migrants are really good for our economy, after all there answers are always right as they get it from divine intervention.....Oh no wait... we are in the real world. I despise the left
Dumping Ground for illiterate and unskilled labour
Ha Ha now charge who for these mistakes
Words fail me.
And what about housing and the NHS. Bleeding our country dry vote ukip at all opportunities
Why?
This is a disgrace it seems working for a living is now out of fashion
Labour don't want a cap on benefits, benefits should be paid to those who pay into the system.
This goverment doesn't care as long as its not effecting them, let them keep coming more people that come even if they are here just for freebies they are potential voters.
It can be stopped......just change the rules. Make Britain great again rather than let it slip further down the drain. First call......stop child benefit, we do not need to encourage families to have more children. This is only adding to our huge bills and making future generations of families face child poverty while irresponsible adults breed for funding their lifestyles. Start this from today for all new additions. Our system is far too generous, workers and tax payers should not be responsible for lax birth control by others nor should those in power encourage this.
Why, why, why?
Infuriates me so much. We looked at emigrating to Australia but didn't have the skill set to get in there despite my husband having a good job over here. A different story in the UK we let anytime over and then pay them benefits too. This country is going to rack and ruin.
Told you so, it was on the cards.Everbody knows what a soft touch the British welfare system is. Could that be the reason that we have a problem with mass illegal immigration.
UKIP anyone?
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
No wonder there is a queue to get here and why the country's finances are out of control.
Look at the figures and look at the lumping of areas together, or in the case of the eu, seperating them.. you can see the biggest spongers are Europeans on our system. Asia and the Middle East are huge compared to Europe. Out of the eu and we could save billions.. in benefits alone!
So the truth is out, this is the real reason my wife has to wait until she is 66 to get her pension. We are a joke the scum of the world come here & hold their hand out for benefits whilst tax payers who have worked all their lives pay for it. I'll be voting UKIP.
Ok so most of it is Middle East and Asia maybe just maybe get someone to check whether every single of that claimants is legally here and if not buy them ticket home. Surely gonna be cheaper then all benefits they claim
Well Britain will not be a Great Britain in the future. We will be a poor country. We can't afford to sustain the whole of Europe and beyond! I can't understand why we ever joined the EEU - I think it was to be milked dry! We should be more like America.
And the Government wonders why our country is in such a mess! This country is seen as a joke to the free loaders, no matter where they are from.
And yet our hard-earned money is pumped abroad by Cameron to despots and other countries who don't even want our money. Whenever UK's 'foreign aid' is mentioned it makes me feel sick that our cash is being squandered when there are cancer patients we refuse to treat on cost-basis, firestations being disbanded, roads pitted with huge holes, a crumbling (International)HS..... We are funding millions of people from abroad, either in our tiny country or their dependents abroad as this article states. It's an absolutely diabolical state of affairs, looking after others when we can ill afford to.
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
And we wonder why we're in a mess. Yet when my husband was off sick for 3 months we couldn't get a penny because I worked 20 hours and they didn't care I had 2 children to care for. We look after everyone but our own.
no no NO. Immigrants come here to work, and only take the jobs we do not want to take, remember?? After all, our politicians couldn't be lying to us about that.....COULD THEY?
Your comments: The champagne socialists are MUGS.
we going to have another war soon so we got plenty of money.
This country has turned into a cess pit and the previous goverments should be held for treason
This is ridiculous. You should not be allowed into this country unless you can support yourself. Why should you be able to come here and have everything paid for you? And education should not be free unless you pay tax! Britain is actually hilarious how ridiculous it is.
So that's where all the tax pay in every month goes to.
And like the mugs we are we continue to be slaves to HMRC and the bigger mugs in parliament know it but cannot conjure up a mechanism to stop it. What creatures of habit we are. Whilst we work , work, work and pay, tax, tax ,tax these intruders grab, grab, grab all they can. And a good percentage can't even behave as they soak it all up
So come on left wing liberals.......defend this please? We are always told by the BBC and others that immigration has a positive effect on the UK economy and that we couldn't function without it. Well we could do without the huge benefits bill that they generate for starters!
Small amount compared to the amount of benefits claimed by MPs and civil servants pensions.
If migrants become unemployed within five years of coming here, they should either find alternative work immediately or go home. No benefits for them before they've paid in for five years minimum.
EU immigrants, well, we signed up for that, and lots of Brits are in EU countries. If they don't give out such generous benefits, that's our stupidity, not theirs. But WHY are any Africans at all in the UK? Stop ALL benefits to anybody who has not WORKED for a minimum of five years in the UK, and watch the boats fill up...
Your comments:how are these people eligible is beyond me
So although east europeans are working, most jobs are low paid so we the taxpayer top up their wages with other benefits. Therefore the employers are paying them low wages which we the taxpayer have to also fund so we the taxpayer are paying for these employers to make an even bigger profit !!!.
Not surprised where I live a homeless Romanian woman with 3 children was given a 3 bedroomed semi with front and back gardens ahead of people who have been on the waiting list for years and who are working, she has never put a penny into the system but reaps everything council tax, child benefit etc .The children go to school locally and yes she is self employed selling the big issue I am an alone when I think something needs to be done.
The only thing that will resolve this is further cuts the benefits. It is the ludicrous sums and the comfortable lifestyle that can be afforded by these claimants at the expense of the hard working individuals who are don't constantly moan about there human rights and how there cat will suffer if they go out to work.
In my opinion ,if we brought a law out that excluded any foreigner from claiming benefits un til they had worked and resided here for a number of years,then not only would it half the amount of people coming toy our shores ,it would mean that the ones that do are genuine!
The current situation is unsustainable. The influx of EU workers has driven down wages, forced many British workers to accept pay cuts, and some to lose their jobs to cheaper immigrants. As wages are driven down the tax take is also lower, but the amount paid in benefits rises, to cover child tax credits, working tax credits, housing benefit, unemployment benefit etc. There is also extra costs for housing, education, health. I would like a politician to explain exactly who in this country, open borders are benefiting. It certainly is not the ordinary worker.
I can imagine me going to East Europe or Africa and being paid benefits. The country is an absolute shambles run by incompetent politicians of all ilk.
Cancel the lot make it means tested ONLY & ONLY if you have contributed TAX/NI for 5 years minimum PER adult anything else is a complete travesty.
Next year you will be wishing that was all it was, when you get them all, shows how the UK needs imigrants to survive as the MP's like to tell us
A lot of immigrant groups are now into their second and third generation so that those cultures that perform very badly and rely on benefit's won't be reflected in these figures.
The only fools who did not expect this are the politicians who are supposedly in charge, never mind we, the tax payer, will pay. Now when were we asked........
I wonder how the statistics would look if they showed NON-EU/Commonwealth against EU/Commonwealth recipients? I think, then we would see an even bigger balance.
thought Jamie Oliver said immigrants are better and harder workers if he didn't make them work 80-100 hour's a week he could hire some more doing the normal 40 hour week and in the mean time helping the country get rid of some of the foreign benefits scroungers
This is the legacy that Blair and Labour have left us. Blair and Brown ran the worst government ever
This is disgusting, there should be no way of being able to move into this country if you are unable to support yourself & your family, why do we have to fund the lives of people who haven't bothered putting a penny in themselves? If you move to this country you shouldn't be able to claim benefits straight away or be entitled to free healthcare. There needs to be some big changes in this country.
Jamie Oliver did you read this. not everyone for abroad is hard working and wonderful. it is also true that not all Brits are lazy and workshy..
if you haven't contributed to our taxation and national insurance system for at least 5 years, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim anything from it. Nowhere else in the world is this allowed to happen, its no wonder we are full of immigrants with many more entering illegally every day. Time to get it sorted and say NO
Do they really think if we went to their countries we could get the same treatment, not a chance
Since when were we responsible for Africans and those from the Middle East? Not enough that we have a huge influx from Eastern Europe...where I live it's gone from being a place where people knew each other to a land of foreigners and no longer a place I know.
"Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits ."- williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07---------------------Even that is the tip of said iceberg as after 3 years arrivals can claim citizenship and hence no longer count as foreigners.If we were to ever be shown the figures for those who were born abroad or whose parents were born abroad the stats would be staggering.
That's O.K. there's still a couple of bob left to steal from the hard (and ever harder and longer) working middle and the savings of the thrifty. At least we'll be able to house them properly when Nick Boles' concrete Britain gets going. With friends like our politicians......................
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP.
Meanwhile, our own sick and disabled are having their benefits cut. We should be sending these people home if they cannot support themselves which would free up housing, hospital and school places and reduce the financial impact on already over burdened taxpayers. Despite successive Government messages that immigration is good for the UK, under such circumstances, it is most definitely not.
Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.
Will any surprised P.M.s please stand up for the U.K., for a change.?..............Con. member.
VOTE UKIP....shocking stats that are only going to get worse with foreigners coming here. Africans coming and claiming off our benefits system that our parents have paid into for years and didn't even claim from. Absolute Joke of a country. Welcome to multicultural Doogooder Britain.
And the Government wants more immigration, with a right to vote in any EU referendum. Folks! we have a rouge Government that needs to be stopped, look how close we have come to a third world war under Cameron recently. They are all out of control and living in their own reality, not ours.
Schools bursting at the seams with migrant children,NHS that can't cope and they always go to the top of the social housing while our own military service personnel sit behind them in the queue, they are here for the benefits only and have destroyed our country in doing so, this government and the previous one should hang their heads in shame, can't wait till January.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.You will certainly need all the luck in the world in the next ten years or so. Tax payers in the U.k. you really were sold a pup all those years ago.Oh well.
Joining the EU is quickly getting you down to their level!!!!!!!
SOFT JOHNNY ENGLISH..... THATS US
Why else do you think they came here.......the weather???
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance?
Students shouldn't be receiving any benefits. If they are coming here to study they should be able to fund their education and their stay or they should be asked to leave. Or are these students of these so-called universities that were closed because they were nothing but fronts for getting people into the country? In which case they are here under false pretences and again they should be made to leave.
Our country is being swamped by foreigners and our welfare system is being plundered by them. Why, for God's sake, can our politicians not see this AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Just when are our governments going to wake up to the FACTS?
There is only ONE answer, vote UKIP in 2015. They will cancel HS2 Get us out of the EU, get us out of the Human (criminal) Rights Act and stem Immigration.
And what have they contributed? No pay in, no pay out.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits . - williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07***I've no problem with that if they are working. Plenty of ;natives' have NEVER worked & claim ALL the benifits; We know an English family living in France that haven't had any incme for 3 years and they are on FRENCH benifits whilst only contributing to the French ststem for 2 years. It doesn't only happen in the UK. British people also claim benifits abroad................take a look at the Spanish figures for the number of UK nationals claiming Spamish benifits.
a total of 406,900 non-UK nationals were claiming work-related benefits such as jobseekers¿ allowance, incapacity benefit and disability living allowance in the year to February 2012. COME ON THEN I.D.S. JUSTIFY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, OR IS IT EASIER FOR THE DWP JUST TO PENALISE OUR OWN CITIZENS. ????????????
Put Blair on trial!
stop this nonsense now, unless you have put in for at least ten years you get nowt! zilch! nicht! nyder! nothing! zero!
Just one more thing to thank Bliar for then.. of course no one in the current coalition seems in a hurry address the problem. EU OUT NOW PLEASE!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
I'm a Brit living in France and I'm desperately looking for work here --- there is no equivalent of JSA unless you've previously paid into the system. To make matters worse all the information available IS ONLY IN FRENCH.
I'm fed up with this country having to put up with cherry picking benefit scroungers from Eastern Europe and third world countries. UKIP it is!
Frankly, I don't care if they're foreigners or not! If they're taking advantage of this ridiculous system then they're hurting the average, hardworking tax payer
Makes my blood boil. I thought we were going to get a grip on this sort of thing. UKIP can't come soon enough for me.
The UK is now being milked like a dairy cow, our kids futures are really looking bleak. I never thought the UK would be destroyed like this.
As the figures have shot up in the last two years, it makes a nonsense of Duncan Smith's endless statements that he has stopped it all........... He seems content to penalise low paid and out of work Brits who have paid in, leaving many homeless and even poorer, whilst hurling money at foreign nationals who have not paid a penny into the system. The numbers will really explode next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.
And what's dodgy Dave gonna do about it? Exactly, nothing......nothing whatsoever. VOTE UKIP and get out of the EU NOW.
I find it appalling that the management of the UK's financial affairs have been allowed to sink into such a diabolical situation. The Civil Service is inundated with an overpaid under performing staff, in drastric need of a completely new restructureing,quite impossible with the abilities uuf the current parliament.
Can't wait to read the comments
Ah the same ones that are suppose to be bringing their knowledge and wealth here I suppose.
If they can't contribute.....send them home. QUICKLY! The UK taxpayer does not want them here as sponges to our stretched system. Thanks a bundle for your "Take all" immigration policy Mr.Blair, you have messed my country up a treat.
don't give them a bean
STOP ANY MORE IMMIGRATION BEFORE THE FLOOD GATE OPEN NEXT YEAR.WHAT ARE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WORKING FOR,TO GIVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE IT, AND DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
its ok if the UK goes bankrupt, as long as 'johnny foreigner' is well kept that's ok NOT!!!
Just maybe the DM will take up a campaign and do something rather than wind everyone up with the constant depressing miserable stories.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first
why are we giving them these handouts? they should get exactly what they get in their home contry nothing more.
The reason the Government can't see this is because they think it is normal! All you have to do is sick your nose into Westminster and take a look at the support staff and see how many are from this Country!
Well they are not here for the weather are they...!!!
It is quite simple to cure this. If you haven't contributed for 5 years, you get nothing. If that was implemented, I wonder if we'd get so many wanting to come here?
Are you reading this Tony and Gordon?
Welcome to Britain, Should read " sorry we're full ". The UK has become a joke people should not be allowed into the UK unless they can support themselves... period.
And does the Government really care, of course not....its us that are paying.
Free money and they will keep coming and coming. The country is finished. Get out of the EU and stop feeding the world, Mr. Cameron
why...?...benefits should only be for citizens...and only if they qualify.
If this situation carries on it will not be long before there are more claimants than taxpayers, and we all know that this will lead us in to Carey St. The folly of our politicians is boundless.
And a lot of them don't even speak English, an interpreter is needed to help them claim benefits, adding to the financial burden.
It really is about time that the benefits system had an overhaul. We need a system similar to many countries in Europe whereby the level of benefit payments are based on what the individual has paid in - i.e. someone who has never worked or contributed should get vouchers whereas someone who has worked all their life and been made redundant should get a payment based on their wage. A much fairer system all round.
Yet still they are doing nothing about the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians that will start in January! If Britain came out of the EU it wouldn't be forced to pay these ludicrous benefits.
Nice to at last seen a breakdown of British and non British claimants. So much for the lies about the economic benefits of immigration being force fed to us over the years. In reality the quality of most of the immigrants over many years has been abysmally low, and a big drain on our diminishing resources!
they should not be allowed to claim any benifits for atleast 5 years and if they come here disabled im sorry but why should we pay for a disabled person from another country, this is just not fair on the tax payer and on brits that try to claim but get refused total madness.
Remember all the assertions that immigrants weren't claiming benefits, largely because they couldn't? Just like the claims that among disability benefit claimants there were infinitesimally low rates of fraud. that the rate of fraud. Both drivel.
Welcome to benefit Britain!!
Really wish this could be a Great country again .We need to sort our borders out and get out of the E.U NOW . But sadley the gates have been open so long we cqn not get rid of the ones who are here already .
Welcome to the land of milk and honey,but mainly MUGS.
Should be so simple. Uk benefits paid to UK nationals. Foreigners should get nothing. What would we get in another country?
Shocking. Why does Britain put up with such nonsense from the EU? This is not sustainable. Disaster on the horizon.
This country is ******* joke!
yet the government still tell us the migration is palying a major part of the recovery of the uk........and to think we the romanians and the bulgarians all welcome to the land of milk and honey. Sick of reading about this all the time,and then you get the likes of posh boy jamie oliver slagging off the brits just so he can justify emplying foreign workers for cheap money.
Englands problems solved in 4 words, STOP THE WELFARE STATE
We already knew this and it's completely and utterly immoral and wrong, because it is robbing us tax payers to pay for those who haven't contributed a penny. My vote goes to the party who commits to sorting this farce out.
And they worry about a few Pensioners claiming extra benifits while living abroad having paid their taxes all their lives ,sort out the problems of scroungers from around the world first.then worry about the minority.
In Spain I cannot claim a penny and it belongs to the evil EU, why?
Just vote UKIP and put an end to this madness.
Is this really news , I could see this coming years ago . What did the labour government actuall expect ? Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted !
....... thank you Mr Blair and Brown for allowing this to happen under your watch ....... And Labour still fail to acknowledge there is a problem and fail to communicate any future policy of how t deal with their mess ......!!
Governments too busy starting wars to care
You are sadly deluded if you think that the numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians coming next year will be only in the tens of thousands. It will be in the hundreds of thousands in the first few months, then unstoppably rise into the millions. In the meantime, the word has spread around the world about the asylum scam, and how one can live the life of Riley in England without ever having to work again. But the politicians will allow the complete disintegration of the UK, rather than take an axe to the benefits system, which would be the only remedy.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits .
These figures do not include all the immigrants receiving tax credits or child tax credits, which is another eye-watering figure. Nor do they include asylum seekers, who pay no rent, no council tax, no bills, no travel expenses, thanks to the generosity of the British taxpayer. Well I'm one tax payer who has had enough, and I will be voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system.
Is it not oblivious, one worker from a "family" gets a job and pays N.I> then that becomes the gateway for the entire extended family to come to the UK for free education, health care and benefits. Not quite what the welfare state was designed for - this is why it's failing. If I can see this happening why can those in power not cure the problem - Political Correctness?
"So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house. - Amanda Prole, Uk, Sorry to tell you Amanda but your neighbour doesn't 'own' their car. They may be the registered keeper. They signed it away when they registered it with the DVLA, that's why they can take it away and crush it. Same goes for your children when you registered their birth. Read 'your strawman'
Disgusting, what are they doing here anyway? Throw them out.
this country is a joke
Call a window company, arrange to have every door and window in the house removed. When the company arrive to do it, call the police and tell them it's your house, you can do what you like with it!! Would be cheaper than the cost of otherwise evicting these vermin. And I'd write to the elctricity copany saying these creatures took over occupancy and have a tenancy agreement to prove it!! Let them sort it out!
A total lack of common sense. This is happening more in Walthamstow. Surely the "legal" document is false and the person who allegedly took a £2000 deposit should get done under "obtaining money under false pretences". Or perhaps the "tenants" got someone to print out a false agreement? Then that's fraud? Both of those are criminal acts surely? Waltham Forest Council I hope are chasing the new squatters for Council Tax.
MADNESS!!!!So if someone breaks into your house and leaves the house then they are breaking the law and police treats them as suspects and criminals but if someone breaks into your house,steals your things,is ruining your property and decides to stay then it becomes a civil matter and you have to sue them and spend thousands of pounds to get them out of your house.Put the hand cuffs and throw them in jail and send them back where they came from.
I think it.s about time the Law was changed on this matter, How can u just move into someone,s house, the mind boogles, Only in the U K can this happen, Police should be checking the visa for all involved,This poor Women is going to have to spend a small fortune to resolve this in the Courts, Good Luck to u Mrs Masons,U are going to need it, This could take forever to sort out.
Some Police Stations close at night, I wonder how the Police would react if a bunch of squatters moved in during the night and changed the locks. I am willing to be they would immediately class it as breaking and entering and arrest the lot. Saying breaking into people's homes is a civil matter is the easy option, no crime to record and no work to do!
mel w, england. What a good idea of having the dogs go in. They do not like dogs, so the bigger the better. Drill the lock off. Who can arrest you for doing something on your own property. The law is an ass.
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts. - Dan, Essex, 18/1/2012 13:53 I think I agree with you Dan but please improve your English so that we can have a clearer understanding what you are saying.
I wish someone would break into a police station or No:10, change the locks and brandish a tenancy agreement - then see just how that pans out... it is beyond comprehension that this flaw in the law hasn't been resolved. Poor woman!
they broke in ? so that is breaking and entering !! the police should arrest them and deport the lot !! this govt should make a law against these parasites asap !!
Here in the U.S a faction of the "occupy" movement believes in universal housing and has begun breaking into foreclosed homes and squatting in them. Hope this doesn't make it to your shores because it seems your laws are less defined than ours. I wonder what will happen when our illegals begin squatting and I wonder what will happen to you when your "occupiers" catch on to universal housing.
The law really has to change. How can it be so easy for complete strangers to break into your home and live there and not be arrested. These blockers will also leave a filthy mess behind. I feel very sorry for Mrs Mason as she'll have difficulty selling it now.
So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house.
This cannot be entirely accurate surely. These people have trespassed and broken into somebody's private house. Why can't the police do anything about it? What exactly are the police for any more, they don't seem to be able to do damn all - have all their powers been removed? I despair of this country, these damn low lifes are making a mockery of all held sacred in this country and nobody can do anything about it. Before long there will be a mightly backlash and people will take the law into their own hands and it will be because of this governments lack of taking to task these people who probably have no right here and should have simply been thrown out on their ears. I am completely disgusted at what is happening to my country.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
Offer to rent it to the council. They'll soon get them out.
I suspect they wouldn't dare do this in their own country, why do we allow it here?. It's so obviously breaking and entering, if the law isn't changed before long, communities will have to resort to policing their own neighbourhoods to stop this sort of thing happening again and again.
If she needs to lend my kids and a Great Dane, she can.........2 hours and they'd soon move out.
How can it be a civil matter when they broke into the house? Last I heard that was against the law. Come on, police, grow a pair and throw the bums out! Remember whose taxes pay your salaries.
The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know? - robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nobody asked them to come here.
I am originally from Moldova and, don't get me wrong, but they look nothing like Moldovans. I am not being racist, but no one from another country would really want to move to Moldova (it's the poorest country in Europe), so the race has stayed as it was from centuries ago. We love foreign people coming to visit us! But I'd think they were mad to want to stay. So there is no chance that they were Moldovan. May I kindly ask the Daily Mail to check their facts before they damage the reputation of Moldovans. Either way, I do agree that squatting should be better regulated.
I don't understand on a number of points. 1. I don't have to pay for the electricity for my legal tenant so why do they for a bunch of people who are trespassing. 2. The owner should just wait until everyone goes out for the day, break in through the back door as they did and take occupancy. honest mlaud, that junk on the garden was there when I arrived. 3. put webcams up watching their every move 4,. a tenancy agreement is null and void if the person issuing it doisn't have a legal right to do so otherwise you all owe me a lot of rent you mail online readers, pay up.
Thanks to all the politicians from the last 100 years for not sorting this sort of mess out. Shame on you all.
how come squatting is not a crime? luckily it's not so in my country as many are forced to rent even a small room in slump areas and there's no housing benefit system here.
Their tenancy agreement is not worth the paper it is written on, and since when did you have to break into a house that you are renting. This is an appalling story once again of lawlessness in this country. Just come in and do what you like. My heart goes out the owners, as their life will be hell for months now. The government should address this law immediately...
police or no police i would reclaim my house with every force and means necessary, takes the mick that the police are powerless which i can't understand why they are powerless?? the are taking something which doesn't belong to them which in my eyes is the least theft and another law is tresspassing??? this is why we should be out of the EU and quick before we get another influx of Eastern Europenas bleeding our country dry x
I am a Gas Safe registered engineer. I regularly carry out gas inspections for rented properties. This is a legal requirement for the landlord to arrange. I wonder if this property has a certificate in place. Even if it does, it is recommended that when a property changes hands a new certificate is done. This would be the perfect time to arrange an engineer to visit the property and cap the gas meter(since its her property, she can have the meter capped if she wishes, certainly if the 'tenant' refuses entry). Im not an electrician, but surely she could do the same with the electric..
Whether they are eastern europeans or any other nationality,our once great nation is being invaded and without a shot being fired. Unlike in 1914 and 1939 we are surrendering,we just have not got the will to do anything about it.
How can breaking and entering be a civil matter? Surely that's against the law? What a stupid country we live in. Someone should take a shotgun and threaten to shoot them if they don't get out pronto. Presumably the Police would act if someone did that?
We are always reading about this in the newspapers, please stop reporting it! They must hear about it then tell their friends. Also If only they would STOP giving free legal aid to foreigners this would stop all the 'human rights' and silly laws. Close the loophole! What Politicians do not seem to realise, is that everything has an affect on everything else. Giving 'rights' away to people who do not live in this country is making us less civilised.
I'm not condoning ''Squatting '', BUT is this really a case of Squatting? After all, The family had a ''tenancy agreement'' from a Sharon Wright from December 28, and paid £2,000.? If so, did they believe they were in the right? After all, the Police examined the ''Agreement'', and was it them who refused the mobile number? If this is true, then it is a case of Fraud ? It is also no longer a Civil matter, but a crime!
Successive LibLabCon governments have promised to put an end to this outrage, and none have even scratched the surface of the problem. If you want change, vote for it! Also, outside the EU, we would be free to remove these spongers back to their own country.
Can Cameron sort this out when he's finished fantasying with Sam? No he can't. What a total waste, a plonker from the Bullingdon Club
Break in and start squatting in your own house, what can the illegals do?
I'm prepared to go and help "remove" the squatters... Anyone with me?
Gutless law enforcement .Cameron if you really want to gain many votes tackle issues like these, Or should home owners take the their own decisive measures.Theft and trespass pure and simple. Fix the law and quickly.
All EU resident must either be employed or if not must register with immigration within 3 months and take out private health insurance. That is EU law. Strictly enforced in Cyprus and we deport Brits who don't comply.
Problem? What problem? The attitude of government Ministers to the heartbreaks suffered by law-abiding British citizens that are caused by these squatters seems to be "I'm alright, Jack !". Ministers simply do not care about you !
What about the owners human rights to sell their own home?? Breaking and entering - how could that never be a criminal offence? How about starting with the theft of a supermarket trolley and a check on money laundering and fraud based on the payment of £2000, Surely the owner can cancel her payments and inform the Energy/Utility companies of the situation?. The irony is that they will probably get legal aid and she faces a huge legal bill. Yet again a win win situation for lawyers, hence the reason why laws are never in favour of the law abiding citizen.
Thieves and v ermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ? - John Johnstone, Moscow, Russia. - - - Hello John. In the UK it doesn't matter if the televsion is switched on, if it's in the house then the license fee is due. One would hope that the police thought the legal owners had enough on their plate without checking their TV license while they were making sure the squatters were doing nothing illegal. Be assured that the TV license authority will be on the case within a week of a license lapse, and will issue threatening letters and send enforcement officers to see the occupants.
Thieves and vermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
Turn off the electric,water and other utilities if possible, go in and remove any of their property if possible. Get in to the house,make it unbearable for them to live there and force them out. It is unacceptable that anyone, either from this country or not, can live in someone elses property and there is no way to remove them. It's disgusting.
Since when are trespassing and breaking and entering legal? Britain has gone completely bonkers...
They are Moldovan,not in EU ,here illegally,eject!
Stories like this make me sick to the stomach. When will these legal loopholes be closed and police given more immediate powers to remove squatters?? "Mr Popescu, do you have any ID to prove that you are in any way legally linked to this address? No? Then you're trespassing and outta here!" This Country has really gone down the pan.
Its illegal here and England should follow ASAP.
Would it be against the law to kick the door in (to your own home) and physically throw them out? England is a laughing stock here in America (if only you knew). It used to be a country we looked up to in some ways, now in no ways at all. The richest third world country on earth...Don't agree? It's run like a third world country....and that is EXACTLY what it is. Your cops are useless, worse than useless. Very sad for the average folks over there, sack your government officials and take back your honor for Godsake! Sorry to rant, but England is not geared for its people anymore and gives all the jobs and opportunities to unworthy immigrants and bleeds your economy dry and you do NOTHING ABOUT IT!
The house still belongs to the owners so let them take out all of the windows and doors and see how long the squatters stay after that.
Could someone please explain to me how this possible.? How is it that some people can move into your house and the police not do anything??? Really perplexed. ...can not get my head around it. How could a law like that exist ?
'The salt in the wound is that I even have to pay for the electricity they use while they are in there' - Not if you phone the electric company (as well as the gas, phone and water companies), tell them you no longer live there and have no intention of paying the bill and I assume they'll cut off the supply?! Can't see anyone wanting to live there too long with no heating, light or water....!
She will have to either take the law into her own hands ( and there are plenty of Russians here who would help her for a few hundred pounds )or bribe them to leave . Neither is satisfactory but until the politricians start listening to the people of this country what can you do ? I wonder if any benefits are being paid to this address ?
And that's why I'm glad we moved here to Canada. It certainly doesn't and wouldn't happen here. One call to police and the squatters would be heavily handled outta the door. But don't keep blaming UK police - their hands are tied by the spineless government - hence why my husband quit his job and now polices here where cops are actually respected and given support from the government.
This may be a case of a fraudulent tenancy agreement rather than squatting. The proposed changes to the squatting laws will make little difference here. Landlord-Tenant disputes will still be civil matters, so that an unscrupulous Landlord could not use the squatting law to summarily evict a tenant over a dispute. It should not take months to establish rightful ownership and prosecute for fraud.
Why don't decent citizens set up groups to force the illegal sqatters out of people's lawful homes. If the police won't presecute the squatters they shouldn't prosecute their opponents.
The matter of this house will of course be raised in the House of Commons especially by Europhiles Nick Clegg and the LibDems -- LOL!
Simple answer phone the electric company, the gas company and the water. Tell them you are the owner and want the utilities cut off as you will not be responsible for the bills. If they refuse tell them you won't pay and happily go to court to put your case over. At the moment whilst the bill is yours., the minute they turn on even a light it becomes theft ( as they are not intending to pay )which is a criminal offence and they can be arrested. Tell the police to do their job !
It would not be a CIVIL MATTER if it was a coppers house,.
I reckon if any of our politicians have bothered to read this story they have probably tutted and thought to themselves that someone should do something about it. Then returned to filling in their expenses claim form. Green arrow if you just KNOW how you would sort this out.
I get it - when I buy a house, I am literally buying it for squatters, not for myself, how sillly of me to think other wise. This story boils my blood!
This article is a showcase DM piece. Sad-face picture to lead off; the value (and a picture) of the house effortlessly worked into the story; foreign, pregnant, scrounging 'villains' and ineffective police. However, without a celebrity, TV or film tie-in, the story is too difficult to grasp. Surely there must have been a made-up 'squatter' story on television that this can be compared to so that readers can understand what's going on?
Were it my house I would immediately embark on 'home improvements'. Remove the cheapest door with a 7lb hammer, throw out the squatters, occupy the property, and when the Police turned up.... deny everything! Then order everyone off my property and tell them all it's a private matter and nothing to do with the law! Illegal? Only if you're fool enough to admit anything.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
The authorities don't care about the house owners because they are white and English. There's nothing to gain for the race hustlers and government busybodies by becoming involved.
this is mind boggling. In the US this type of thing is a crime and should be in england as well. Can the property owner turn off access to utilities (elcetric and water). the tenancy agreement is clearly fraudulent. why can't the police cite the squatters for fraud? can't understand this at all.
What happened about the law being changed? Another broken Cameron promise to add to the long long list.
do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49 Sure Deb everyone is frustrated with the law not protecting these homeowners but calling them rats and saying that they will overrun the entire country just makes you sound like a Nazi.
As the owner of the property, I would remove all the doors and windows. Let the 'tenants' take it up with their 'landlady'.
What are these Moldovans doing here anyway? Instead of this couple and her home being thrown to the wolves by ineffectual, lying politicians and others, who are too busy hounding people with disabilities or elderly people, they should get to grips with the REAL problems in this country. This country is overcrowded and a magnet for dangerous terrorists, scroungers, criminals, baby-making machines, forged passport-bearers, sham marriage-arrangers, metal-thieving, cable-stealing scum and greedy capitalists and bankers!
In the US if this happened you could legally shoot the intruders if they refused to leave.
This is, yet, another example of how mass immigration and the Open Border Policy has enriched our country - not!
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
Lazy, lying Police! Breaking and entering is NOT a civil matter. IF, these people broke in through the back as the article states then it is a criminal offence and obviously a Police matter. IF they turned up and found the door flapping in the wind, or someone else broke in and gave them a key, then the owners need to take a civil action and ask the court for an eviction notice, it won't take long. But of course the incredibly lazy British Police Farce would much rather just assume there was no offence committed and give up before they even start
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts.
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
I think the DM could provide a great service to us by publishing the addresses needed so that the writers on here could send their views to their MP's and to Dave Cameron. Maybe we could reclaim our own Country. What about it DM??
What a load of boloney, these "squatters" are house breakers an should be treated as such!
Absolutely disgusting!! Evict and deport them immediately , no messing!!
Come on gettless CAMERON get down ther and sort it, we are a laughing stock AH too much to hope for got some mates love better option.
There is no such thing in law as "squatters rights", any laws cited by squatters are usually those that are intended to protect lawful tenants of properties from unscrupulous landlords. Forcing entry into a property and committing trespass is unlawful and gives the owner/occupier the right to require them to leave, and if they fail to do so the police can evict them. You are also permitted to forcibly enter your own property as long as a breach of the peace is not being committed - usually though it will be the squatter doing so by trying to prevent access by the rightful owner.
Strangely people still ask why we left Britain
Seems to me ludicrous that the police can't (or won't) do anything. Breaking and entering a private property is still an offence, a frauduent tenancy agreement given by a woman who decieved everyone and pocketed £2000 to boot. Are their immigration papers in order or are they illegal immigrants. If they live on benefits they should be chucked out of the house immediately and placed into council homes. When is the law going to change? This whole thing is a shameful disgrace for the nation. I feel so so sorry for the owner.
What is it going to take for the majority of the electorate to realise that as long as they keep electing governments that supports all these abominable, unjust and unpallatable things, nothing will change.
The UK now looks ridiculous to the world and it used to be such a great place.
What is happening in the UK at the moment. It seems like there is no protection for the law abiding hard working British citizen. People squatting in other peoples property, causing them endless problems, benefits cheats living in luxury while hard working citizens struggle to pay mortgages and taxes. British government get your act together, you are becoming like an African country. In SA we have squatters but at least no benefit cheats living in luxury cos the benefits are so little.
Welcome to Camerons Britain,you asked for it you voted him in-Tony Cheltenham England. Don't be an idiot...the laws of squatting have been on the statute books for hundreds of years....Tony Blair and his brood did a big fat zero.....Kenneth Clark and this goverment ARE doing somthing about it.....you Tony of Cheltenham have a very selective brain and not for the first tme in these posts!!!!!!!
one of the actions the police SHOULD have taken is whether they have a legal right to be in the UK in the first place ? moldovia isnt in the EU so they have either , falsely claimed to be from there , entered illigally over stayed their visa NOT from there and from somewhere else (giving false information to the police) are they working ? if so do they pay tax ( tax avodance a crime) there are a number of crimes being (possibly) at the time the police rocked up so at least one of those should be used to arrest them , appart from thee breaking in fake documents and theift of property , why are these people NEVER fully investigated ? there are no excuses on funding as they cost us millions each so a few grand wont go a miss if it saves a few million , word of warning to theese people as i libe round that way , i have a very big dog that makes no nise ...a secured home .... and i will tell the police i was assulted and ejected from my home regardless thank you
It would be interesting to see how "powerless" the police would be if squatters moved in to a house owned by one of their colleagues.
I can't believe the access to anybody's property could be granted so easily, just with sleight of hands. I wish the poor owner to banish those intruders as soon as possible by all means.
This story is one for the Prime Minister to address, if only to convince his loyal subjects that he gives a jot .
The Police need to intervene NOW in this case, and their Benefits should be stopped and used to pay for the mess they have made. A lesson should be made of them so they understand that in ENGLAND this is not acceptable behaviour. As immigrants in ENGLAND they are subject to the same law that applies to us all. How do these people get in to our Country?? When asked purpose of visit is the reply to squat in some ones home, claim benefits and generally be a pain and have no repect for the law of the land?? All assistance to these people should be removed NOW. How about we all go to their Country and pick a home, any home and invade it!! And the Goverment should get tough NOW.
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ?
I used to feel some pride in being British, now i feel sickened and saddened by the way our so called " justice" system treats every working, taxpaying and law abiding citizen in this country....They treat us with no consideration and with contempt...Why is is so difficult to enforce a law and giving the police the power to remove squatters immediately?? Is it because fat lawyers are getting fatter off the back of it?..We have enough of our own born and bred, homewgrown benefit scroungers in this country, we dont need or want anymore....I am afraid any sympathy i may have once had for people coming from these countries has ebbed away...I have had enough of having the urine extracted...
WHY is someone occupying a property that does not belong to them considered a CIVIL matter? If they had broken into a furnished house and stole everything in it, they would be arrested for burglary, but because they have broken in and refuse to leave, essentially stealing the entire house from its legal owners, they are not in breach of the law? This is utterly ridiculous, however I really do think the police have passed the buck on this one - quite aside from the squatting, crimes HAVE been committed (breaking and entering, letting fraud) and they should be acting accordingly, not holding their hands up and claiming it's nothing to do with them. It is absolutely disgusting when criminals have more rights than law abiding, tax paying citizens, simply because they know how to exploit the loopholes in the law. Next they will be claiming they can't be moved because it will be a breach of their human rights. Drag em out, lock em up and then kick em out of the UK.
If this was my house, they could leave through the door or the window
Nu Labour, New Non Paying Occupants.
If it was my property up I would board the property up with the thieves inside. It's only a civil matter after all! and its still my property to do what I want to it. Chances are it would be trashed by these scum anyway.
I thought this ridiculous squatter stuff WAS being sorted out. GET ON WITH IT and stop pussy footing around and making us look like complete fools. SORT IT TODAY instead of having a long lunch!!!!!
- Here's My Comment, Dover, UK. , 18/1/2012 11:55-The reason the owners will be paying for the squatters' electricity bill is because no supplier will cut off the supply if people are known to be living at the property, (something to do with their rights 
Then move back in the same way with two big dogs and a couple of big lads as friends and relatives. See how they like it. If they complain tell them to pick a window to leave by. ps... the broken door. criminal damage.... they could have been done for it.
..... there should be a statutory presumption of illegal entry by squatters unles they can prove the contrary!!
If they had a 'tenancy agreement' from this mysterious 'Sharon Wright' person, then why did they have to break in through the back door? Most landlords have the keys to the properties they are letting, do they not? And last I heard, breaking and entering was still a criminal offence in this country, and therefore a police matter.
If I buy a used car and it turns out to be stolen I will lose the car. So why is it that when someone signs up to a bogus tenancy they can then stay? Utter madness
High time this was a criminal offence, especially when gangs of criminals try to take what is not theirs, wonder what would happen to them in their native country if they did the same thing?
WHEN ARE THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO MAKE SQUATTING ILLEAGAL ???????????????????????????
Illegal where I live thankfully. Squating like this is legalised theft.
They have stolen her home! It should be a criminal matter and it's time this gutless government did something to make it so.
This new law cannot come soon enough as far as I am concerned. They should have five minutes to leave the premises or be forcibly removed and then ideally deported!
Welcome to the UK 2012 - "Its ok were only Brits, feel free to walk all over us"
Call me crazy, but if you take possession of a house you don't own, that's technically not trespassing, it's theft.
I am from the USA and cannot understand "squatter's rights." Can anyone recommend an article or something I can read? For the life of me, I feel so sad when I read that these honest and hard working people have thier property taken over by squatters (I see a lot from Romania, gypsies) and they are poweless to do anything about it.
Well thank you Labour, you let these people into this country with your slack ways and now this lady is suffering because of it. A bit confused why does she still have to pay their electricity, why not just have the supply cut as they are not official tennants.
Cancel all utilities snd have water gas and electricity cut off
Why are they here? Could it be something to do with the viral message going around the world that anyone can come to Britain and immediately get a house, free health and education - all courtesy of the British taxpayer? ................ Got it in one, plus of course all the translation services you need at public expense - as again demonstrated by the Big Issue seller who has been in the UK for years but needs an interpreter, or the fact that there is no need to demonstrate your economic solvency or that you won't be a burden on the state, or that you are prepared to integrate or obey the law. Thankfully several have commented that Moldova is not is the EU, so it cannot get the blame here. These type of situation are all UK induced, and because possibly no other EU country is as accommodating to these types, or generous with taxpayers money no questions asked, then of course Britain is the magnite.
The owner needs to stop all the eletricity and heating (if any) hopefully they'll move on if it's cold enough. But if the police don't know their own law, who does?
Don't understand why England has never got rid of this law, nobody should be able to enter someone's house and stay there. David Cameron do something about this.
guys, it's a legal loophole. One of squatters passes by an unoccupied house, forces the door and walks away. The rest then can move in, because the door wasn't locked, therefore technically they didn't break in, so they can stay there. Even when the owners turn up, they have to present eviction papers which taked forever to obtain, and even after the papers are served the squatters have something like two weeks to move out. I know this is insane. I'm not sure whose interests this law is designed to protect! They should make it illegal!
It's funny how this sort of thing only happens to the 'peasants', can you imagine Buckingham palace being occupied by squatters and the police idly sitting on their hands saying it's a civil matter?---------steve yorkshire This does NOT only happen to the peasants there have been cases of large houses in desirable parts of London being occupied by squatters and published in the DM. As Buck House is always occupied by someone, squatters will not try to gain access. BTW it IS a civil matter, but it should not be.
How is the government working to address this gaping hole in the law? Oh yeah they're not because property rights in socialist Europe come second to the rights of tax paying citizens!!!! Just keep voting Labour and for more big government!!! It's amazing that the police wouldn't investigate the legitimacy of the tenancy agreement?
Camerons too busy fussing over the royal yacht to concern himself with such matters as this. If these vermin broke in then its a clear case of breaking and entering and they should be arrested, jailed and then sent back to their fourth world dump!!
When is Cameron going to do something about this? Throw them out of the house and then throw them out of the country. What benefit are they to the UK? This country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world. The police are a lazy bunch of morons if they think breaking in to someone's house isn't a criminal act. I'd love to see someone break in to Balmoral and set up home when the Queen is down South, can you imagine the police saying its a civil matter then?
How about doing the American thing and sue the government?
what a pity they dont know anyone with a couple of rottweilers - this seems to be the only way that british peoplle can have their own rights. Our rights do not matter one iota when it comes to foreign miigrants. It is time for the government to make squatting a crime.
I would never get the police involoved if this happened to me.
The joys of being part of the EU!!!
Where does that leave people who go on holiday for a couple of weeks? Can squatters move in and claim to have a tenancy agreement? The law needs a radical overhaul.
The law is a joke!...no wonder these east Europeans see our country as an easy target....if that was my house i would take the law into MY own hands and get a group of lads round to kick those lying low life scum squatters back to Moldova!...If this happened at 10 downing street am sure the POLICE would SOON get rid of them!...civil matter!...what a joke.. This sends all the wrong messages to OTHER eastern European low life parasites to come over here and do the same thing!.....what happens when these squatters are eventually forced to leave?..will they be made to reimburse the original owners for all the losses and stress etc incurred by them?....AND will they be deported for being low life lying scum that they are!...this country is a joke!....no doubt there will be a long list of do gooders trying to sort a permanent house out fro this family whilst our own born and bred citizens wait patiently...i say kick these Moldavian's not only out of this house..BUT OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!
Unfortunatley this is a civil matter legally - the police cannot prove forced entry and the property was not tenanted - the law in the uk is on the side of the squatter not the property owner, because it is judged a civil not a criminal offence though hopefully the DM could get behind a campaign to change this -PLEASE!!!. For those that say stop the utilities etc and surely it must be a criminal offence - IT IS NOT a criminal offence according to the law so the police cannot act and yes the owner can stop paying bills, but the squatters can legally approach utility companies and set up new accounts. I have experience of evicting a tenant and got sick of people coming forward with these type of suggestions when they dont know the legalities - often these types of individuals would be delighted if you behaved illegaly as they would then be able to sue you and dont you know there will be a nice legal aid lawyer paid out of your money to help them.
What a complete liberty, this is a crime in more ways than one, this country has some crazy laws, please dont pay for their electric, cut it off, thats another crime to the list, stealing electricity, leaves me speechless things like this.
How come this is a "civil matter". This house has been illegally broken into and the rightful owners robbed of not only a home, but money owed from the sale of the property. The tenancy agreement is obviously false and the women who gave it to the Moldovans should be found and prosecuted. This is not the fault of the family who have moved in, but the fault of a system which allows predators to exploit a market which is open to abuse because of the failings of the law. This is a police matter, not a civil matter, and the rightful owners of the property should not have to wait months and pay thousands to get it sorted out.
Someone elected this government....but I suppose it wasn't you, was it? This woman is up the creek with a broken paddle not because of laws that were made before most coppers were born but because everybody expects whining to change things - working for a living, Worcester, UK, 18/1/2012 12:21------------------------------------Why is this simply the responsibility of this government? We have been reading stories like this at least since the sixties. Every single govenment [whatever their political persuasion] since then has done nothing to change the legislation. But hey, do not let facts get in the way of you making a political point.
What a wussie, pushover country we have become. England must be the laughing stock of the world.
they broke through the back door, breaking and entering IS a crime! this country is absolutely rubbish. What are the new laws about protecting yourself against intruders? go in with a baseball bat I say, I'm done with trying to be PC about these low life criminals who need to get the hell out of the UK!
Im glad that I left Uk now, I can force squatters out here,and shoot if they harm me
Kick 10 bells out of them. I would not care about the consequences just do it. The law is crap on stuff like this!
Just outrageous - hope the authorities read these and take note.
Janice and Dave need to ask the Police to investigate 1. Burglary 91a, intent to steal, 2. Burglary 91b, actual stealing or attempt to steal 3. Criminal damage , 4. Intent to commit criminal damage, plus many other criminal potentials she may care to consider. The Police are duty bound to investigate any crime committed and Janice should check their legal status, their cars, tax, insurance, income tax, benefits. Anything that might get the state involved rather than dumping you or any of us suckers with the 'civil matter' legal bill nonsense. You need to show these unlawful dwellers that our government may be a push over, but you aren't.
Go and break into Mr: Cameron's house, bet you will bw thrown out in 2 secs. When are the British going to wake up, never!
I'm born in the UK, work hard and pay my taxes. I like my tax money spent on lavish benefits for foreigners like this. The government and councils believes it's perfectly good use of taxpayers money and keeps us all happy, so they must be right. A free squatting house is simply not enough for these unfortunate and less well off folk. Give them a £50 million mansion on kensington palace gardens for all I care, I'm happy to stump up the bill because I'm a stupid taxpayer like everyone else, to be treated with contempt and money washed doen the toilet bowl.
The police would soon act if it was a celebrities house. . . . . Let the squatters try Beckenham or Buckingham palaces. . . There would be so many police on the scene you would not be able to move for them. . . . . Let's have equality for all.. . . . . ................... , , KICK SQUATTERS OUT>
Having gone through a similar process not too long ago. They broke in (breaking back window) changed all locks & claimed they had a tennancy agreement, went on for about a month. Fortunately (unfortunate all the same) our 'uninvited tenants' went too far & ended up physically threatening a member of my family brandishing metal bar causing injury (thanks goodness not TOO serious - but serious enough), obviously police were called, they fled the same night as they knew they'd be arrested! havent seen them since. .....................I still find it incredibly difficult to understand why this is classed as a civil matter. If the house was broken into even if the locks have been changed, they are not the same locks/keys as the 'owner' of the property or even the legitimate estate agent managing the property, therefore they are there 'without consent' It is a criminal matter not a civil matter. Breaking in & entering & tresspassing! What the hell is wrong with the law?
Where is the strong arm of the law? If the matter is a legal matter, then what the hell lawmakers are doing, being paid with our taxes and not even preparing bills to sort these sort of absurdities swiftly. Unbelievable, the people here could have been British but here issue is the retarded squatter rights! Shame on people at government that don't do nothing to make our country safe.
how come squatting is not considered a crime? it never happens here in my country as police has the authority to arrest squatters because squatting means doing a crime.
This is a disgraceful law, and must be changed ASAP - GOVERNMENT CAN YOU HEAR US, OR ARE YOU PLAYING DEAF AGAIN??????
A direct result of our sick politicians attitude to the British people. They have engineered things so that only the real Brits,yes those same taxpayers these political vermin live off, have no rights in their own land.Every foreign criminal has more rights than you or me,and the B.B.C. aid and abet our bent politicians in their crimes against decent working people, wanting us to buy into their fantasy of a happy multi-cultural Britain.
They BROKE in - and the useless police force can't do anything? Don't want to more like. If that other piece of uselessness, Cameron, does nothing else during his term of office he should pass an anti- squatters law!
This has been going on since the sixties,. Why have sucessive governments not passed legislation to make squatting a criminal offence. Breaking in an stealing the TV is, so why not breaking in and taking possesion of the house?
If this happened to me I'd get all my friends together and smash the door down. I would refuse to move. I would fight for my property from within if the authorities wouldn't help me. I cannot see how the police can do nothing when these criminals have broken into someone else's house. They've actually stolen someone elses house!!!! Where is the justice?
There were some idiots in London a few weeks ago complaining that any change in squatters rights was in-human. Like I say. Idiots.
It's ok - once they read the story about the Romanian woman elsewhere on this site, they'll ship out and get somewhere paid for by benefits without ever having to contribute to society
It seems that the World and his wife can come here and do exactly what they want, but people keep voting for this to happen by voting for the three stooges of the EU. Lib / Lab / Con.
The police need to get off their backsides and do their jobs, otherwise what is the point of them. Disgusting.
when is the law going to be changed to stop this happening. w we have become the laughing stock of europe. w cannot deport foreign criminals who are here illegally. we cannot deport terrorists because of their Human rights.The police are unable to do anything for this couple who own the house. its disgusting I would be inclined to get some one to break in and change the locks while they are there or not. Menwhile this lady has the pay for utilities its disgusting. when is Cameron going to keep the promises he made
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! They should be removed with force and thrown on the streets! or even better out of the country!! This is what you get for living in "THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD".. But hey as long as their foreign immigrents they can do what the hell they like!!
I really feel sorry for all the owners of these houses that squatters take over. I'm soooo glad I live in America as this is not a problem here. When someone does that here they are SWIFTLY removed.
So if a "British" yob were to break into anyones unoccupied house and so long as they had a piece of paper saying it was a tenancy agreement, it would be legal? This just stinks! We must petition the government for a change to the ridiculous laws if that is the case!
Whatever happened to the charge of "Breaking and entering"? .Are the police at fault here?
Squatting my butt!! Why does the law not allow for this people to be charged with braking and entering???
What mad crazy stupid reason can possibly exist for giving squatters - or for that matter, the victims of a tenancy scam - enforcable rights over those of the legal owners of a property? They should be turfed out, pronto. Squatters can have no 'rights' at all since they are occupying a property without permission of the owner. If victims of a scam have just cause, let them take it up with the proper authorities to see about bringing the fraudsters to justice, but the owners should be left in full and peaceful possession of THEIR property. Anything else is absolutely mad and indefensible. And if it's not, then God help us all.
guys,I'm completly shocked!!! Is it really possibile?!?!?? thay shoud call an imigrate police at least,to check the moldavians documents. maybe that will help them. don't think they are legaly staying in the UK
Sorry but if they "broke" in as suggested the Police do have their normal powers. It is only a Civil matter if they get in without "forced" entry
Only solution here is burn the house down and claim insurance money. The Police will not act because they cant and the squatters will be allowed to stay in the house forever because they have human rights.
I just don't get it. They broke into the house so why do the police not get them for breaking and entering. Are they saying that breaking and sitting on the sofa watching TV is ok?? Who is paying the TV licence??
I would muster 20-30 friends and together we would re-claim our house, it would take 30 minutes tops, sod the legal route, thousands of pound and 8 months of stress. What are the squatter going to do about that. I implore the husband to 'peacefully' do the same, have a "reclaim your house BBQ!"
Then the law surely HAS to be changed, and people braking into buildings that aren't theirs, have to be removed. If someone breaks into a house while you are asleep it's called 'breaking and entering', and hopefully they are found and arrested, so what's the difference between that and entering when someone is out shopping or the house is empty because you are away? Who writes these laws?
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49*****************Too late Deb, just walk around ANY inner city at lunchtime and look at the gangs of young foreign men on what seems to be every street corner speaking a multitude of languages. Alas, children being born today have been 'sold out' on their future right to a country they recognise because of spineless and self-serving polical spivs of ALL parties. Thank god I had my youth when I did !
Why go through the hassle of breaking into someone's house and squatting, when they could just get a 2 million home through our benefit system? #sarcasm.
It does rather beg the question; If squatters broke into any Crown property, i.e. any of the many houses owned by the Royal Family which are dotted up and down the UK, would the Police, if called to the scene, inform her Majesty that their hands were tied, there was nothing they can do? I think not...........
If they broke in, surely it's burglary, which when I last checked was a criminal offence....
I would suggest that the owners smash all of the windows and switch off any utilities they can.
Contact all the utilities, cancel the direct debits, cutting of the electricity, water, gas etc. See how long they stay then. The squatters can only take a landlord to court for cutting off utilities, since they don't have a tenancy agreement with the owners - just a fake name who strangely can't be contacted, the squatters wouldn't even make it to court. Try it, it works!
And yet so quick to move 8 squatters from parliament square..
When the unwanted "things" are gone ....be sure to disenfect the place.
I'd drag them out one by one if I had to, there is no way on earth I would be paying for their electricity, call the elec company, tell them the house is going to be empty for a year, get them cut off, or go and turn the water off from the street outside, see how they like your home then! Disgusting
A a foreigner, I have to say I'm utterly confused by the British legal system when it comes to these cases. I know the UK is different in many ways, e.g. that it has a common law system, while ours is based on civil law. And I accept the differences, since they both work in their own ways. But why is the British system so messed up when it comes to these squatter cases? I have read about so many in British news papers, and I can't understand why the legal system in the UK fails to protect home owners? (Needless to point out that over here the police swiftly, but non-violently, deals with cases like these.)
Rediculous, this should clearly be a criminal offence and the police should be able to go straight int and remove them by force. Everyone commenting should go onto the Government -petition website and sign the petitions already setup (search for "squatting").
I think the whole country should get behind this case ,television ,all the papers ,Downing Street .Enough is enough ,stop it right now ,it will open up floodgates for more and more of these people to do the same thing.Lets all go on a march and stomp it out ourselves if the goverment are not dealing with it.Rise up Great British people.
We need to get an e-petition going to make squatting illegal. This can happen to anyone so we all need to fight to this
Isn't it about time, in this country, that squatters are prosecuted and evicted? This is after all, trespass, even theft, of someone elses property. Some of the laws in this country are absolutely unbelievable and are definitely on the side of the "criminals" and not the victims for who, after all, they were supposed to be made.
Oh my god!! get these damn immigrants out of the country!! how can this be allowed to happen? Squatters rights? Squatters should have no rights! again another prime example of how UK Laws are there to suit everyone else but the british themselves! gosh! I feel for the owner! poor people!
There a a few crimes here that the police could anhd SHOULD address. First there is breaking and entering, then fraud (faking the tenancy agrrement, and possibly theft (after all they6 have deprived the owner of her property), and possibly fraud on behalf of the person who tipped these people that the house was empty.
"The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know? - robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53" ++++++++++++++++++ Contact the DM diirectly, offer your sympathy, find out how to contact the squatters and offer them your home instead. Problem solved hey?
I'm a bit puzzled. The article says that these people "broke in" through the back door. If a property is not secured and squatters effectively walk in then they can claim squatters rights. I thought breaking into a property was a criminal offence not a civil one? That said, I don't know why the Masons are bothering with the law with these people. Perhaps they should invite a few friends round in order to persuade these freeloaders that remaining in the property wasn't in their best interests.
I honestly can`t say what I want to about this or I`d probably run the risk of being arrested. Of course lawyers have advised they face a lengthy and expensive legal process, those vultures are the only ones to profit out of this shambolic situation. I know what I`d be doing if I were in Mr and Mrs Mason`s situation, and it wouldn`t be a legal process, that is for sure!
If the house was unfurnished, the council tax cost for the owner would have dropped down. Now it's furnished, she will probably have to pay more council tax. This is a total farce! When the Queen isn't in Sandringham, or Balmoral, would squatters get away with moving into her property too? Probably not, because the Queen has staff in her empty properties. Even if the Queen's houses were totally empty, squatters would not be allowed to stay there for sure. So maybe a business "anti-squatter protectors" could be set up; the owner could pay a person to guard their property; it would be cheaper than what it will cost to pay the squatters bills, and the squatter court removal. It is toally disgusting that these people are allowed to get away with this. Breaking and entering is basically what they are doing.
How can this be a civil matter if the squatters broke in? Breaking and entry is a criminal offence, GET THEM OUT NOW.
That it is not a criminal matter is the joke of the year.If they cannot prove that the owner leased the property then they are in pssession of a fraudulent lease or fraudulent conversion. Plus breaking & entering - surely all those aspects are criminal. Said it before - an elderly couple leaving their home locked up to go and vote together in an election could return to find these circumstances. Of course it is not criminal !!!Ha !
Squatters rights would not exist If that was my house, I'd break in and and these scum would wish they'd never set foot in my house by the time I'd finished. If the law doesn't protect you, then you have to protect yourself!!!
Any lawyers out there willing to take on this case? This is an utter disgrace. We are all vulnerable even if we are out at work or on holiday. This is not a civil matter - breaking and entering, changing the locks, bogus tenancy agreement. If nothing is done the Masons should break in and live there too with lots of friends for support.
@ David Thompson Driffield. You're absolutely right David. If this ever happened to me or any of my family we would'nt bother with the useless police but they wouldnt be in there very long. The message they have given is that the only way to deal with it 
@ Helen, Kent, 18/1/2012 11:51## I am very grateful for your correction indeed! I was so utterly convinced few would have been able to tell me otherwise before you rightly brought this to my attention making me reflect on the error of my ways! Am still tr
It's funny how this sort of thing only happens to the 'peasants', can you imagine Buckingham palace being occupied by squatters and the police idly sitting on their hands saying it's a civil matter? Breaking and entering is a criminal offence, if it was myself in the situation I would break back in and kick them out. The law either applies to all or to none, the police cannot apply it only when they can be bothered or against the easy targets just to save a bit of paperwork. I could live with the morality of breaking the law in this scenario because the law is wrong!
Squatters Rights? What a load of *censored word here*
I am a normal, not violent man, but I am not able to write what is going through my head when I read stories like this. I think the British government is breaking the law, in that it is inciting people to violence to protect their property because the government has made laws that leave property owners helpless.
Once again our cowardly police let its citizens down. How on Earth is this a civil matter? They BROKE IN to the property - criminal damage. They are inside someone else's property - trespass. This rotten country of ours, with its craven cowardly police and justice system, makes me sick.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u. - EMM, Romania, 18/1/2012 11:02>>>>>>These people normally lie about their country of origin. This is very common now in the UK and most illegal squatters are from Eastern Europe. Compliments of the damned EU! I wonder what your reaction would be if the British people tried this in your home countries? Unfortunately the opinions of the indigenous people of this country count for absolutely nothing anymore.
Get a grip PM - sort this nonsense out. It makes our country look ridiculous to the world.
I always thought squatters could be prosecuted if they broke into properties. I believe they only have so called "squatters rights" if they have gained access to the property without breaking an entry. Isn't it time we started looking after our own here? It beggars belief that we are welcoming immigrants and asylum seekers, offering them all the help we can, when we can't even do this for our own citizens.
When did Moldova join the EU? Why are they here? Could it be something to do with the viral message going around the world that anyone can come to Britain and immediately get a house, free health and education for their families and thousands a month in spending money - all courtesy of the British taxpayer? Seriously Cameron, Iain Duncan Smith and anyone else responsible for the present chaos in the UK, the issue of millions coming here and becoming a drain on our diminishing resources just has to stop!!!!
They broke into the house so it is burglary and a criminal offence and the police know it, theyare too soft and frightened to turf out these immigrants no matter where they have come from, the police always take the easy way out, it would have taken 15 minutes to clear the house and the owner to get it back, these people should not be allowed into the country if they have no accommodation to go to, and if they have must remain in that accommodation for at least a year.
They look to have pinched what looks like a Sainsbury trolley.
If anyone takes my property it is theft and is a police matter If anyone breaks into my property for whatever reason it is breaking and entering and is a police matter. These people have broken in and in effect pretended to claim this woman's property for their use. They have committed a crime. and the police who we pay to combat crime should remove them and charge them. Any law which says otherwise should be removed from the statute book.
It could be worse and she could be homeless like so many others but she is not homeless and already has a house. So whats the big rush to get the house sold and get more money.She is just greedy. Some people have no house and are starving.She is lucky that she will have the house returned to her soon and will be £250,000 better off.She is just a greedy person.Tell her to live in a cardboard box for a fortnight and beg and eat scraps from bins and then it will actually make her feel better knowing how lucky she is.
They must inform who ever suppies their energy ans the telephone. Not withstanding any other aspects ANYONE using someone elses energy etc is guilty of ttheft - Getting the Police to act in pc correct uk may be difficult if not impossible. The UK must be proud only place in the World where this can happen. The Scots have pulled this particular plug. Come on Dave call me Cammers there are votes in this!! 1. A member of the gang comes along and breaks a door/ window lock and leaves immediately. 2. Somewhat later the people arrive and move into the house This can happen to absolutely anyone Don't go on holiday or out shopping as there is no guarrantee you will have a home to come back to. Now anyone like to join me in moving into one of Smiler Blairs residences or howz about Mandy
I don't understand your laws. Is there a real squatter's law or is it just tradition? In any other country in the world breaking in a back door would be called break and enter and these people would be arrested, not given a new home! Why are politicians so reluctant to change it so that this doesn't happen anymore? It's insanity.
I have a nice house but there is a nice big one up the road .If i move in there on the quiet would i be treated the same as these sewer rats,hell no.This country needs a seriously good shake up.
Thought breaking and entering was a crime or does it just apply to the English????
This is disgusting, these thieves see England as a laughing stock, free housing benefits for all their scrounging family. Why do English people in their own country put up with being treated so unfairly? It is about time England became great once more, but back to reality with the soft touch muppets we have in power we have no hope. They seem to care more for other countries than there own. What on earth is the country going to be like for our children if nothing is done.
- robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53 There's also a country called Moldova, from which these doubtless penniless and destitute people managed to find the resources to travel over here. Even under the travesty that passes as European and British law thi
You see what I like about Thailand, it is not the stupid place the UK has become. In such a case happening in Thailand it could never ever get to court, all the owner would have to do is call the police and they would be out on their necks. Any trouble and guns will be drawn.
Good lord. I never knew this was a civil matter - you mean anyone can move into an empty property and the police cant do a thing about it?? Why do we have a police can someone tell me?? They cant lay a finger on yobs, they cant arrest burglers, they cant protect victims, they cant throw out squatters... what CAN they do?? Stop shackling the police!
When we were buying our house in London it was going to be empty for a couple of weeks before we moved in. I took down the for sale / sold sign and requested that the agency did not market it as being sold. I also requested that they leave the curtains closed in the property and we left the odd light on so that it looked like people were living there. I suggest that anyone who has an empty property does the same.
Police Service, Keystone cops more like, Why didn't the police arrest them for trespassing that's still a law in this country (i think)!, Mind you these immigrants/ethnics are now above the law and this is another excample of the term "Great Britain" it is for some.
I've heard of similar fraud case in Eastern Europe, I guess the idea for such illegal breaking in hails from there. In that story there really was a real person behind the agreement who knew the owner and decided to profit in such a way. So the 'landlord' could be a real person who saw that the house was unoccupied and profited from it. But if the owner has the papers to prove her rightful ownership of the place and since she did not sign the contract, what is the problem? If nothing else helps, mug'em and get'em out of there!
Cameron stated that the government and ministers were going to address the problem some MONTHS ago and to date have DONE NOTHING. This IS an ONGOING PROBLEM of squatters occupying properties and the householders having to pay thousands of £'s to remove squatters whilst the police wash their hands of the problem stating "This is a civil matter" when squatters wreck the property (CRIMINAL DAMAGE), steal and sell contents (THEFT), produce false documents with regard to tenancy (FRAUD), squatters are from eastern and other countries (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) but the police ignore these ciminal acts. What is the local MP doing? What action have the government and ministers taken? The action of Government, MP's, and Police is a matter of shame hiding behind an old useless law and putting the onus on the owners of properties occupied by squatters. THIS MUST BE RECTIFIED NOW!!!!!!!!
When are the government going to change the law so that this becomes a police matter and no longer a civil matter. 40yrs ago when I was a young man this wouldn't have been allowed to happen, as soon as the squatters moved in a greater force would have put them back on the streets no mucking about, the police and border control could also take an active part by going into the property and checking for criminal activiteies and for illegal entry, once that happens the owner can slip back in and then it becomes a police matter.
Update on my origional question about Moldova so excuse my ignorance. Mr. Google informs me its part of Russia on the Georgia side, so there's obviously political unrest there. This family could have entered the country and asked used the benefits system legally, entering as political asylum seekers, then they wouldn't have to squat because the government would've GIVEN them a 5-bedroom house!
For all those that can google, well done. But there is no such crime as "breaking and entering"!!!! As several people have pointed out to be burglary, you have to enter in order to steal, inflict damage or cause grievous bodily harm. Stop blaming the police and take responsibility for things you don't like. Someone elected this government....but I suppose it wasn't you, was it? This woman is up the creek with a broken paddle not because of laws that were made before most coppers were born but because everybody expects whining to change things
Absolutely disgraceful. It is always the law abiding person who comes off worse.
Just the remedy,get a few people to break into MPs houses and our useless MPs might do something about it. Perhaps Cameron and some of his gutless front benchers spend a bit less time on trying to get a new floating palace for the Queen which we all know is a priority for the pensioners and low paid who can't afford to heat their homes properly. We have heard it all before,it won't cost the taxpayer any money ??????? ha ha DEREK
So anyone with a bit of paper in their hand that looks like a tenancy agreement has the protection of the law! How ridiculous is that?!!! The law has to be changed in favour of the owner!
Lodge a complaint with the police independant complaints commission. Squatters entering a house by force is BREAKING AND ENTERING WHICH IS A CRIME! The police can do something they're just making excuses.
Utterly disgusted by this article and by the laws of this country. Firstly ethnicity makes no difference so why people like EMM, Romania, are commenting on that is beyond me - the fact is, people have commited a crime by breaking and entering and showing a fake tennancy agreement... if i were to break into my neigbours house, you can be sure i would be arrested. The laws about squatting need changing NOW .. it brings misery to good honest people like the Masons who now may have to find £0000's pounds to get them out. Will it cost the squatters anything, I doubt it very much .... this wonderful country of ours has gone to the dogs .. I am ashamed to read about the amount of people who comlained about last nights Corrie when real stuff like this goes on in the world ... GET YOUR PRIORITES RIGHT!!
Britain we need to take action and CLOSE OUR BORDERS!
No. This isn't a 'Civil Matter'. If they are intending to 'permanently deprive' those paying the electricity and gas bills by not paying them then, that is simply theft. If they are using water (ditto flushing toilets) without the permission of the purchaser (the bill payer) then again, they are attempting to permanently deprive. It is theft. The Police do have powers to act, they are just avoiding doing their duty. The Officer in Charge is open to be taken to Court. What is amazing to me is the sheer reluctance of Parliament to strengthen the law in these matters. Can someone explain why politicians drag their heels because these matters are really not complex. What other forces are at work? Is it that Local Councils might be caught out in some of their Law-Twisting manoeuvrings? Or, is it that under it all, they really support squatters. I've never seen any MP or Minister 'Paxman questioned' on this point. Fact is, they certainly don't represent the public view on this
Come on Mr Cameron lets leave the EU so the Europeans cannot not come and live here let alone enter the UK!
Look if they broke a lock to get in then that is breaking and entry which is not a civil matter. Squatting can only take place if the property is left open and unused for a long period of time or you already have access via a key. Get the police to do their job properly and stop this incorrect interpretation of the law which has been going on for years. Get a proper lawyer to check it out for everybody's sake.
Excuse my ignorance but where exactly do Moldovans come from, and is their country at war? because I always thought only those claiming political asylum can be allowed in?
One wonders how long they'd be allowed to stay if they had invaded one of Tony Blair', Mandelson / Prescott Harman, any member of the judiciary's homes. Would it still be a "civil" matter then?
Have the police not heard of breaking and entering?
Surely they can be arrested for trespassing?? Or does that only happen in an ideal world??
Why has it taken so long for our government to produce a law that makes the unlawful occupation of anothers property a criminal offence that the police can act upon?
All the promises of Mr Cameron to change the law are just rubbish. I blame the prime minister of this country for this and similar crimes which "the police can't do nothing about it"
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/----------------------------------------------------------------------- This ridiculous situation was caused by Labour and this present government is about to rectify it. Of course it had to get approved through the left-wing biased House of Lords so it took time
If there is a tenancy agreement that the owner did not produce, then there is a crimianl act going on. There is fraud, and the police should be investigating. The squatter's produce a receipt for the £2,000 they supposedly paid? How about the owner going in and taking the television. Unless the squatters can prove they bought it, she should take any valuables they have as a security deposit. Hire the baliffs to go in and seize any valuables. Need to recover the cost of replacing the locks that they changed. They need to get the sqatter rights removed as soon as possible.
I have never really understood why the police cannot do anything to get the squatters out. In my head its quite simple, the Masons can obviously show that they own the house, the squatters cannot so that should be the end of it, squatters out. Another thing I dont understand is that the squatters broke into the house, isnt there a law against breaking and entering? There is a gorgeous house near to me, so in theory all I have to do is wait for the owners to go to work and break in then the police cannot do anything to get me out? Messed up. If that was my house I would cut off everything, gas, electricity, water, tv licience etc and lets see how long these scumbags want to stay in a dark, cold house. If the squatters can break in, then so can the owner, get the owner to smash the back window the call the police saying they went shopping/to work and when they came back they found the window broken and people robbing the house. In Scotland squatters have no rights, bravo Scotland.
This government must make squatting a criminal offence and very soon. How would Cameron or any other member of the cabinet like the great unwashed to break into and squat in one of their homes? It is a disgrace to consider it a civil matter and tie the hands of the police. Surely, breaking and entering is a criminal matter? The owner of the property must get all the utilities shut off immediately or get any male friends or family members to help them break into the house and use reasonable force to get rid of the low life occupying the property.
The law is pathetic. When you have no rights anymore in your own country, you know it's time to leave !
This is absolutely shameful. A change in the law is needed to protect the rights of property owners.
The law should be changed and everyone in the house illegally should be charged by the police and given a criminal record. Then they should be deported as we do not want foreign criminals in our country. We can then kill two birds with one stone. They should then be banned from Britain for ever. If the EU objects then we just transfer them to Brussels.
If they house was broken into why isn't the law cut and dry that they should just be booted out and sod any human rights "do gooders".
OK, so now you`re gonna HATE(!) all moldovans....brilliant !
I would describe myself as a bleeding heart liberal but this really angers me. I'd cut off all the services, and go and take the doors off the house, get all the people I could gather and get in there and start chucking their stuff out of windows. Trouble is people who would steal your house probably wouldn't think twice about stabbing you either, or setting fire to the place out of spite.
Ever since squatters have been stealing peoples homes whilst they are out I havenÂ’t had a single holiday. Remember where one chap who allegedly went out to get a paper and came home to find his locks changed and squatters taken over his home. If the police refuse to act then they (the police) are co-conspirators in allowing >Breaking in and Entering< take place and not acting.
I had a flat that was illegally occupied by a previous tenant's son. I called the police who said that they were powerless, but I was within my rights to gain entry, as there was no agreement for occupancy, and remove all the possessions of the squatter to a public area, as long as those items were overseen. Immediately on seeing the toe-rag leave the property I instructed a locksmith to open the door. I took detailed photographs and swiftly removed all the items, including building materials!, into a public area. There were a number of expensive cameras and rolls of film, scanners etc. These I took to the local police station. The locks were changed and a typed notice of re-occupation posted firmly on the door. The "squatter" protested to the police who dismissed him. The police later contacted me for copies of my photographs of the interior of the flat with the "squatters" possessions in place, as they were matching scenes of child pornography in their possesion.
They broke in through the back Door, so if they had a Tenancy Agreement, why did they not have keys? Unfortunately as the Law stands, if nobody saw the person breaking in through the back door, then the Police would not take any action. The fact that they broke in through the back door tells you it is not a legitimate Lease but now the owners have to take Civil Action to remove them at their cost to the benefit of the Legal Profession who are coining in thousands due to this stupid law of Squatters Rights.
E mail Dami8en Green MP he is supposed to be in charge of immigration, ask him what these people are doing in this country
Police can't do anything because its a civil matter? What aload of old Moldovian Bull ! These low lifes broke into a property they did not own, now I was always led to believe that was a criminal offence.Just another example of the useless British Legal system, controlled by the useless British Police Force. Is it not about time some of our elected, corrupt, politicians got those old gits in the House of Lords to do something about giving the Police and Judges the power to punish LAW BREAKERS with what they deserve?
This is not a civil matter, it is a criminal matter-they broke in, they were not invited in, so are guilty of burglary. Any trespass should be made a criminal offence. This must be done very soon, as we are fast approaching the time when countries like Moldovia and Romania will achieve normative, unsrestricted EU status and thousands from these poor, ex Soviet bloc countries will pour into mugsville formerly known as UK, with its soft laws, non existent policing and bottomless benefit handouts. Not only should it be made a criminal offence, but the squatters should have to pay all the council utilities whilst they are there and pay the costs incurred for having them removed. Please also don't think it is just London and other big cities targeted by these parasites-it is a problem in our area. We dare not go on holiday together without getting a house sitter, as people patrol the streets scoping out potential properties.
It would seem that the police are wrong in this case. Breaking and entering is most certainly a criminal matter, squatting may be a civil matter but you have to get in through an unlocked door/window. If anyone can just break in whenever they want then burglary would be fairly legal.
This makes my blood boil! There is a pressure in the UK building up by law abiding, tax paying UK inhabitants. This shall surely result in increased anger and possibly action against free loading immigrants, especially from Eastern Europe. Why cant the government see this? or are they powerless to act against the self serving offices of the European Union and Human Rights. I also am starting to loathe the actions of the previous labour government and the inactivity of this government to sort out this disgraceful treatment of our own people.
As for those people saying leaving houses empty they deserve it. Sometimes houses are empty because of a death in the family, probate etc. takes time. It should not give somebody a right to break in and squat.
When are those in Westminster going to get off their backsides and do something about this?. It would not be hard to make a law to deal with it and get them out pronto, but of course the EU could overrule this, as EU law is considered superior to UK law and we must comply with it. What a crazy country we live in when the man in the street has more common sense than those ruling over us.
Sick of reading these stories. The Old Bill are useless....send the Army out to retake the Streets and uphold the law
Allegedly anyone can move into any property and stay there without paying anything until bailiffs force them out. And they can KEEP doing this to other unsuspecting trusting landlords contract after contract. My situation is different as I'm a landlord who was forced to let my property due to work commitments, but I feel strongly these situations are getting out of hand. I have written to my MP and hoping to make a difference to others who have experienced the life changing hardship that comes with the most ridiculous legislations. Things need to change!
This is a joke! The Land Registry Act 2003 (don't know if this has been updated recently) states that squatters are permitted to enter an uninhabited property and then apply for ownership after 7 years under certain conditions - the main one being that they did not break into the property. Surely this is therefore a criminal matter. The police are soft and the 'justice' system is in this country is a joke. People like this work hard and pay their taxes then the government does nothing for them. If the property owners then decided they would break the back door in and get a load of their friends to enter the property the police would no doubt arrest them for breaking and entering or breach of the peace.
If an MP had this problem the law would be changed double quick but because they only seem to do this to so called emply houses it will take a long time. Perhaps they should be pointed to wards an MP emply house.
These people may have a tenancy agreement but where is the link back to the owners of the property? Clearly this agreement is null and void. Throw them out now and send them back to Moldva!
forget the police, kick the door down and throw them out like rubbish, change the locks quickly and get on with your life, these people know the law and gets away with it, all they do is sit it out and then move on. This problem is on the raise and the government and legal system is doing nothing to protect the home owner.
Most importantly which local (con man) is profiteering out of this? The foreigners would not know how the Tenancy Agreement works if they just moved to the UK.
First of all I would stop paying the bills. Let them be cut off. Secondly could I ask all people who own their own homes to go on the epetition websit and sign up to the petition to make squatting illegal. They have broken into someone's house. In my book that is a crime.
Try another approach. Contact the borders agency, to check whether or not they are illegal immigrants.
These scum think they have nothing to lose by squatting as they have brought zero values or morals into this country. If they broke in it proves they know exactly what they are doing. I wish them nothing but misery.
Couldn't the lady who owns the house have the electricity cut off for starters?..... then again she'd probably be accused of breaking some law or other. I always thought that if someone actually broke into a property it was a criminal offense. Surely having a false tenancy agreement is fraud?
Got a real bee in my bonnett over this one. Board the place up with metal shutters. Get the neighbours involved to call the police if there is any attempt by them to break in. If they are out when you do it, all well and good. If they are in, well thats just too bad.
Absolutely digusting by these Moldovan squatters They just walk into UK all too easy as usual and set about sponging straightaway for benefits for their big family without any problems whatsoever helped by this stupid Govt of ours,then just take over someones house What the hell are the powers that be playing at?the bloody idiots.
why's she paying the electricity? get it turned off along with the water, gas etc
I've been in the UK for some years. I'm not British, neither born in a 'desirable land'. But every day I did my best, because I've been in the UK for it's culture, for it's people. It was not a matter of leech others wealth, I did not wanted money in my pockets at the cost of the work of generations of British man. It's over now, mainly because people in the UK can't stand this situation anymore. And I agree. Even though it costed my former life. This kind of immigrant is just undesirable.
Our law is rubbish. So now we can't even go on holidays without worry. The law is blind, can't they even tell if the contract is or not made-up contract from Sharon Wright. Cut off the electric Mrs Masons. Go to sky news, the law should be change pronto. Please please please change our law on squatters ASAP.
WHY IS THIS NOT A CRIME!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS, THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND DEPORTED.
Vote UKIP and get our borders closed...these people are laughing at UK....aided and abetted by CON/LIB/LAB
It doesn't sound like a squatting case to me, it sounds like a lettings scam. Happens all the time, people who let out property that isn't theirs and then disappear off the face of the earth. The couple are clearly not that bright either if they're still paying the electricity.
The Police have shown complete incompetence here. Fraud, Theft and Entering a Lock-fast Premises will do for a start. Someone has handed out a Legal Document in the form of a Tenancy Agreement for a house they do not own. The Police should have followed that up immediately. Perhaps it was the fact the squatters were not British and potential Racism Claims that frightened them.
It would not surprise me if the Local Authority is paying Housing Benefit on submission of the fake Tenancy Agreement .......
Our Queen, their country
Absolutely disgraceful......these people shouldn't even be in the country let alone be able to break into a home that doesn't belong to them with no consequence. This country really needs to look at how they treat the people that put in a good days work and ask for nothing as it seems that these are the people that come off worse on every level.
Surely if they broke in then its a matter for the police? The law in the UK has never been on the side of the owner in these type of cases and should be changed immediately to stop this happening to others.
Squatters rights hangs on the fact that if no damage has been done when forcing entry the police are pretty much powerless. All you have to do is smash a window and tell the police they have forced entry and they will have to then treat it as a trespass / burglary and arrest the occupants.
This just doesn't make any sense! Surely breaking into a house is breaking and entering which is a criminal offense?! The so-called tenancy agreement is obviously fraudulent too which is also a criminal offense!? I can't believe this is happening in a supposedly developed country like the UK!!!!
I would get the services cut off.NO gas,electric, water, then wait until they were out and get a locksmith in.Job done! - - Tez, Bedford, Your not allowed to do that !!!Sadly. What you have to do is get friends or whatever to help. You stand on the doors (front and Back) U cant throw them out but when they go to shops you can stop them entering again. This is how we got rid of gypsy's off the rugby pitch by me. Otherwise its a lengthy eviction process. sadly squatters have rights.
What's the world coming too? If your an honest person you have no rights.
Its not burglary. Its not breaking and entering. Its not criminal damage. Its a civil matter. Isnt it just great how hard working honest English people are proteceted by law in their own country? If they react they are immediately criminalised. When these scum are eventually thrown out a whole group of do gooders will be on hand to give them a house and benefits and ensure they have everything they need.
hahahahaha MONTY PYTHON is really running this country!!!! He is alive and well. This is just so utterly ridiculous.
Lunacy of this kind simply encourages normally law-abiding citizens to take matters into their own hands.
Squatter's Rights, is an ancient law, it allows people to enter an obviously unoccupied and unsecured properties. It does not allow a person to break in or force entry. So for the Police to say that these cases are civil matters is utter rubbish. In this case entry has been forced and the locks changed, presumably the original lock's have been disposed of, so theft of locks, theft an arrestable offence. Using the electricity, paid for by the house owner, abstracting electricity, arrestable offence.And I am sure more offences could have been identified. I am a retired officer, and served through the 70's. 80's and the 90's. and believe me, these people would not have remained in that house, in those times. This law has got to be repealed, as Cameron said it would be at the beginning of last year, the public need protecting, and very quickly.
"it's a civil matter" say the police *huge sigh* yes that's what they always say isn't it in these cases and frankly it doesn't make sense to me. did these people gain access legally? did they have a key? were they let in through the front door by someone with authority to allow them access to the property? if the answer to all these questions is "NO" then they must have gained access by breaking and entering which i believe is still a criminal offence in the uk and the police should arrest them!
This is "breaking and entering"; the last time I heard, it was a crime. So Plods, get off your useless backsides and serve the community that pays your wages.
they work for free and it is nice, but then they need to live somewhere, and that is wrong
So, breaking and entering into a persons house is now a civil matter and nothing to do with the police... You are also allowed to use reasonable force to protect you property... I would carrying out reasonable force to the letter!!!
Theirs a nice big 6 bedroom house down road from me, which is empty, think I'll snap up next week! lovely..this is so wrong! So if they took something and left they be breaking the law, but if they stay there not? Crazy!
It is important to know on whose side the police really operate and who pulls their strings..
'Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force.' If they ever do, just don't hold your breath, Clarke's proposals are meaningless, politicians promises are just another word for lies.
Of course, we all know the squatters committed a range of offences. But the law in this country is still in support of them, not the owners. Still, if the owners want to move in, or allow others to move in, then there is nothing more illegal about this than there was about the squatters who occupy the property now. As long as they don't attempt to evict the squatters, they can't be doing anything wrong. Of course, if the squatters don't actually like their children being kept awake all night by someone practising their drum kit, or if they don't enjoy the all night parties, or the British TV programmes they won't understand, or anything else which the owners agents do at the address, then they can always choose to pack up and move on. No pressure mind!
Sorry to post 3 times but getting rid of squatters just isn't as simple as getting a locksmith or stopping utilities - the law is on the side of the squatter unfortunatley. I say this from bitter expereince of a tenant we had to evict and I dont know how many times people came up with similiar 'straight forward' suggestions that we just couldn't take because of legal reasons and these squatters are often right on to legal aid or whoever doing their victim act and would love nothing more than for you to act illegally then sue you. If it was so simple these people would have sorted the problem - the issue is the law needs to be changed to support the legal owner not the squatter until this happens the victims are powerless.
What I fail to understand is the use of the word "squatter" in this case. Firstly these so-called squatters were brandishing a bogus tenancy agreement. If they are tenants, then they are obviously not squatting and should not be treated as such. This is obviously a case of attemped fraud and consequently should be a police matter. If I buy a stolen car, it will be confiscated by the police. I would argue that stealing a house is a much more serious offence. Secondly under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, I believe it is an offence for anyone - including squatters - to damage property that is not theirs, either for the purposes of gaining entry or once in occupation. In a number of similar cases locally victims have had their personal possessions ruined or simply thrown out. To argue that this is a "civil matter" is simply shirking their duty. Our police force really does need to get its act together.
Anyone who broke into my home and used my electricity and gas would be evicted within 5 minutes of me knowing they were there I can assure you. And then I would wait for my arrest. Why is Britain so wrong about so many things?
This is only a civil matter in England/Wales. In the rest of the UK it is a criminal offence. Why England keeps its out dated property law is beyond anyone with an IQ greater than 10.
you cant squat in scotland the police would toss them out and they would be fined for breaking and entering thank god we are on the way to independance to escape from this uk hell hole, you are scared to go to work in england in case your house is gone before you get home, what and awful utter deplorable state of affairs and the uk brag yes have the gall the nerve the audacity to tell the scots they are making a mistake without them we wont be as strong what a laugh heaven forbid if thats the english protecting thier own citizens then i want to get as far away from you lot as i can,the unemployment the poverty the depravation in england is shameful yet they still let them all flock in and live of other peoples labour and taxes, i am just so depressed by all this.
If they are still responsible for the bills why dont they stop paying all of them and then the responsibility lies on the thieving gits who should not be in this country. Better still the police sholud get them all out for questioning then the owners can change the locks and get back in...end of! - Happy and contented Cornish Pisky, Penzance Cornwall, 18/1/2012 11:08 You wouldn't believe this but its true these people can just set up bills in new names and the utilities companies dont care - know this from experience with a tenant we had to evict who had utilities under several different names and with several different companies.
I wonder if the police would take the same approach if you decided to squat in 10 Downing Street?
why hasn't this government pushed emergency laws thru against squatting? it needs to be sorted now
Tell the Police that there are firearms stored in the house , that will get their attention.
Hang on a minute. So if I'm sitting in my lounge, and a burglar breaks through my back door, then I would have no rights but to allow him to stay?! This is the same things and it is ludicrous. And scary. Just hideous. How is this a civil matter?!
How can it be that someone can forcibly gain entrance to your property and it is a civil matter , surely this is breaking and entering which is a criminal offence ?
Nothing will happen. Civil and public servants are terrified of having a race charge made against them as it is a career buster and anyone with this on their CV are virtually damned. Consequently they bend over backwards to make sure this never happens and the majority get the rough end of the stick. I have every sympathy with the house owner who cannot get justice from her own government and local authority which no doubt extracts money from her for rates and taxes. This case highlights the madness of the current system and it is time it was changed for domestic properties. No one should ever have to go through this charade to evict people who break into their empty house and claim squatters rights.
Shocking - if I steal a 50p tin of beans from Tesco the arm of the law comes down on me - if I steal someone's £250k home from them by squatting I am untouchable - I also thought squatting was now going to come under criminal rather than civil law and that an act was going through -
Arrest all of them on suspicion of theft of a supermarket trolley, see photo. During the arrest make sure the back door is unlocked, inform the true owners of the situation. Problem solved.............
Simple, turn the unpleasantness on the squatters. It's still her property, so go around and smash the windows, block the gutters, make it absolute hell for them.
Surely the "squatters" are using the water supply (verifable by looking at the outdoor meter). Since this has benn paid for by the owners, the squatters are steailing, so the police can take action. They could also take action and check on their right of residence. The could also treat the squatters as having broken in and let the courts decide. Any of these actions would have allowed the real owners to retake possession.
I thought breaking and entering was a crime??? Several years ago, the flat next to ours was broken into by squatters. The council then got the police to evict them. I presume its a case of double standards, as the house is private.
So anyone of us can go shopping and if we come back and find another family living there, we just have to roll over, pay the utilities and what - disappear? Madness !
We have so many laws in this country to do with land ownership, practically every square inch of land is documented and owned by someone and if you want access to it you need permission from the owner. But apparently people who more than likely shouldn't be in this country can break in to a house (I doubt the owners left the doors and windows wide open) change the locks and nothing is done. Could it be that the police only want the easy stuff, a quick nick? Why get involved with a potentially complicated case like this one when you can go to the local shopping centre and nick a druggie? Anyway if these "squatters" were arrested and charged they would probably be given a suspended sentence so they could go and do the same thing somewhere else.
surely if they broke into the property that's an offence? and the police can act on that?
We all complain about the ever increasing incidents such as this. How many remember to identify the possible solutions on polling day? Why do we all revert to type and vote for the traditional parties? Time for a change.
Be aware that this Government is aiming to make squatting illegal solely to protect empty dwellings owned by the rich who are waiting for the market to improve . They and their friends in the Tory party are fearful of the homeless taking up residency through necessity instead of dying on the pavements of Britain. This is why the scare stories have been drip fed to us .
This story has made me SO ANGRY that I am beyond speech! Best log off before I say something which will no doubt get me arrested.
Unless they aren't telling the whole story here, Its NOT a civil matter. Squatters have to move out if there is an intention for the owner (or new owners) to move in. If you currently live in your home and come back to find squatters who won’t leave, this would make you a ‘displaced residential occupier’. You should call the police to report a crime. If you are planning to move into a property, but are not currently living there you may be considered a ‘protected intending occupier’. It is a crime (except in certain circumstances) for a person to trespass on a residential premises (eg: enter into someone’s home without authority) and refuse to leave once a displaced residential occupier, a protected intending occupier or someone on their behalf has required them to. If you are a protected intending occupier, you’ll need to give the squatter a sta
The eight squatters broke in through the back door of the £250,000 house in Walthamstow, East London, earlier this month----------- Your article specifically states as fact the above. If you know as fact that they broke in then why don't the police know they broke in? If they do know, then they are are a disgrace for avoiding their responsibilities. So either DM is wrong or the Police are wrong.
We are a joke! I've voted Liberal/Tory all my life but I'm going to start a campain for everyone to vote UKIP at the next byelection. Can't stand their leader or their policies, but maybe a ground swell will shake this goverment into doing something for those of us that worked all our lives, paid taxes and are now being walked over. Beam me up Scotty!
What has happened to the BREAKING AND ENTERING LAW then????? Police don`t do any work these days for us the honest uk people
There is no way I would have left that house without a fight. I would have carted them out of there myself. This county is a disgrace. I envy my boss who is moving to New Zealand. What I would give to get out of this country.
Surely breaking and entering would cover this for the police?
It's always the Metropolitan Police that seem to fail to act. If a group of people are at the house and are using a shopping trolley that, quite clearly, cannot belong to them then why don't they arrest them for theft of the trolley. Whilst in custody the owners could then get back in and secure the property. I also do not understand why they are not arrest for criminal damage to the doors by removing the existing locks or theft of those existing locks. If they forced their way in, as opposed to enter via an unlocked door they must have caused damge and should have been arrested no matter how minor the damage was. Anything now missing from inside and they could be arrested for theft. If they as much as turn a light on in the house then there is an offence of abstracting electricity. All of these are criminal offences and not civil. Perhaps someone from the Met could enlighten us?
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter????
Whilst the present squatting laws are a mess it still appears that an offence of burglary has been committed and meets the legal definition of the Theft Act: Forced entry has been obtained and theft / abstraction of the electricity is taking place. A persons willingness to pay ( eg. for the electricity ) does not alter it being theft. For example: On my way to wrok I take a newspaper from the early morning bundle left outside a shop before it is open and leave the money - still theft. I take a bottle of milk from the roundsman crate whilst he's elsewhere and leave the money which he finds on his return to the milk float - still theft. Therefore an enterprising policeman could arrest the occupants on reasonable suspicion of theft - that leaves the place empty again - and the owner secures it. Add in the general PACE power of arrest when the ID of a person can not be ascertained. Play the law at its own game. Practical policing seems to have died.
I thought breaking and entering was a criminal offence ?????
The police in this country are lazy idiots, these foreigners broke into a ladies house and they do nothing, this country really has gone to the dogs!
I am a normal, not violent man, but I am not able to write what is going through my head when I read stories like this. I think the British government is breaking the law, in that it is inciting people to violence to protect their property because the government has made laws that leave property owners helpless.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u. - EMM, Romania, 18/1/2012 11:02--------------------------------No, shame on YOU for evading the crux of the matter which is NOT their nationality, but the fact of what they have done!
If they broke in, they can be arrested. Also, the owners should terminate the electricity account as they no longer live there. They can't sue you for non provision of electricity, I would also try to get the water turned off, if you know where the tap is, go for it.
Breaking and entering is a crimal offence and the police can act, its not a case they cant, its a case they wont, i bet this scum is living the life of riely on our benifits system in couraged by social workers and a human rights lawyer
This is a desperate situation but just the tip of the unjust iceberg that is today's Britain. Might there be someone out there, someone who has made it BIG...a rock star, a successful entrepreneur, a lawyer, a journalist or maybe a member of the royal family, who can spearhead a meaningful and active campaign against this and other injustices? The right person could muster a million protesters: difficult to ignore such a demonstration of displeasure, I'd have thought. Come on! Who's going to step up to the plate?
Someone tell them where all the Blair houses are they were the ones that thought it a good idea .England get that sorted for your people or give them your own house.
Breaking and entering is a civil matter? no it's not breaking and entering is against the law! It's a COP OUT. - june, bedworth uk, 18/1/2012 10:53 The offence of 'breaking and entering', as you call it, ceased to exist after 1968! That is the trouble with armchair lawyers who think they know the law but have never read a law book in their lives.
They should be arrested for stealing a trolley!
According to the report the squatters got in by forcing the back door. SInce when has breaking and entering been a "civil matter"?
If they are still responsible for the bills why dont they stop paying all of them and then the responsibility lies on the thieving gits who should not be in this country. Better still the police sholud get them all out for questioning then the owners can change the locks and get back in...end of!
I would get the services cut off.NO gas,electric, water, then wait until they were out and get a locksmith in.Job done!
The solution is simple: the owner can break into his own house. It is not a crime to damage your own property. Once in the house he can forcibly eject all squatters using reasonable force. He is allowed to invite friends and relatives to help him. If the squatters fight back then there will be a breach of the peace and the police will have to get involved. The squatters will get arrested if they are violent and can get prosecuted for fraud for producing a fake tenancy agreement.
The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law will come into force. Bloody marvellous. The justice in this country stinks to high heaven and the useless lot we call the government will do nothing about it. This lot in power couldn't run a bath. It is time the people of the country were put before immigrants. I doubt if my comments will get posted because people in this country don't like the truth.
According to the story, the Moldovans broke into the house and subsequently occupied it. Isn't breaking and entering a criminal matter? As to their "tenancy agreement", I would presume it's utterly bogus, which I would presume, perhaps incorrectly, is a criminal matter as well. This begs the question, why weren't they all arrested for breaking and entering at the very least?
What a weak and pathetic country we live in, what other country would allow this to happen.
This is beyond a joke. What is the difference between a burglar and a squatter breaking in to a house?. This will not be stopped until it happens to one of Cameron's mates.............................
I smell a business opportunity. 'Squatters for hire'. Someone should set up a business that supplies background checked people to occupy your property around the clock in shifts, thus leaving the property continuously occupied and making it impossible for someone to break in. I have no idea of what the cost could possibly be, but it would be cheaper and quicker than risking squatters, plus it would be in the contract that there would be no damage to the property. - Jess, Australia, 18/1/2012 10:11 This service is already provided - its called housesitting.
I agree with John Selkold and'ashamed to be British' and all you others out there.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u.
Mr Cameron , you promised action on squatting when you came to power in 2010. Where is it ? Act now before this country is overrun by scumbags.
Mrs Mason should apply for an IPO, (an Interim Possession Order) and this only should take a few days, once served on the squatters they must get out within 24 hours.
Even entering a property that you havn't been invited into is a crime in itself, its illegal to take someones car & use it to your advantage, so whats different about taking a house, same thing is it not, these foreginers are the bane of society & should be sent back to wherever they come from ASAP, the government is a complete joke in this country, theyre too busy swindling the taxpayer to even care whats going on
immigration IS good for the uk econemy apparently.This poor lady will now have to spend thousands on a solicitor even though the squaters will get legal aid paid for by the tax payer and then new furniture,,perhaps this is what Cameron means they are good for the economy. ?????????????
This is just ridiculous! The law MUST be changed to protect innocent home owners.
It is awful when things like this happen and the police are powerless to do anything. If this was me I would stop paying electricity bills etc and let the idiots fend for themselves, what are they going to do about it. I thought squatters rights could only be claimed after so many years off being in a property so surely they should be arrested for breaking and entering but I don't suppose there is enough evidence to convict them is there?
What happened to trespassing and breaking and entering as crimes? I guarantee if I broke into a police officers house he would happily find the legal requirements to remove me. Squatting rights need to be completely repealed, there's just no excuse for being allowed to stay in someone elses property, at all, there is NO case for it.
Have facebook parties at the event for hundreds of people every weekend until they go. - Me, here, 18/1/2012 10:24 ======================================================================================= Great idea!! (though I think you meant 'venue' - not 'event')
"I would drag them out myself and throw them in the gutter were they belong, no way Id be going through court and paying thousands in legal fees. - Adele, Liverpool, England">>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably most of us feel exactly the same. Unfortunately, the way the law apparently stands in this country, it would be you who'd end up in court, being tried for "racially aggravated violence" or some such portion of the Criminals' Charter.
So in principle someone could go out to do their supermarket shop, come home and find someone has broken into their home, making use of their facilities. The responsibility is then on the homeowner to find the funds to evict them and not on the law to prosecute for breaking , entering and stealing. This is wrong.
So who is this Sharon Wright ??
This is getting boring . It's not squatting , it's BURGLARY. The fact that the burglars are still there should make it easier for the police.
i bet the police would do something if it were an mp's or royals property.
Moldova is not part of the European Union. So can someone please explain to me why unskilled people with no assets are being allowed to enter the United Kingdom with their families, take over other people's homes, and probably claim welfare benefits as well? If it's that easy for anyone around the globe to enter the United Kingdom, why don't we place adverts in Moldovan and other newspapers in poorer countries around the world, inviting folk to enter the United Kingdom with their families and look forward to a better life, at the expense of indigenous home owners and UK tax payers. This also makes a complete mockery of LEGAL migration. Why bother entering the United Kingdom legally when every Tom, Dick, Harry and his entourage are already here, enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour?
Nothing will happen, because the British have a " I'm alright jack" attitude. To many do gooders, liberals, back in the day, in the Eastend, you would not dare do this! Meet fire with fire, that will sort it out!!!!
How on earth did these Moldovan citizens gain entry to the UK ? They are not members of the EU. Somehow they have managed to travel many hundreds of miles to get to the UK - ignoring the borders of other countries - to get , by hook or by crook, to England. Once on English soil they then commit criminal offences, break and enter other legitimate owners property , start looking for the"freebies" in handouts of all manner of kind. IS the Home Secretary going to order their immediate arrest, detention and then deportation, followed by an investigation into how they knew which property to enter. All centres of entry to the UK to be alerted to these alien ne'er do wells.
Breaking and entering is a civil matter? no it's not breaking and entering is against the law! It's a COP OUT.
Bung a bar of soap in the house, job done
Dave Janice, if your reading this gather all your friends and relatives and move in with them and say that your squatting, make as much of a disturbance as possible, perhaps when they complain to you say that there complaints are affecting your human rights to squat at the house, continue makeing a nusance then perhaps they will move. No laws broken,and its down to them to make a civil complaint.
Lets have the tables turned on these scumbag parasitic foreigners who come here and stick two fingers up at the rest of us with their abuses. A good start would be for us to jump on the Human Rights laws bandwagon, if it works for them it should work for us. This lady's human rights to her inheritance have been breached by theft of her property. To any Human Rights lawyers reading this, instead of lining your pockets working for foreigners against this country's interests, get a concience for once and act on behalf of people like this lady and other legitimate tax paying citizens whose rights are undermined time and again by these parasites.
I have exactly the same situation at the moment with a Polish squatter. It will take 3 - 4 months to evict and even that is not certain and will cost me in the region of £4000 to rent elsewhere and in legal costs. I can of course take up a civil suit against him for damages, but he will certainly disappear from the area leaving me with no chance of collection. He has also taken free legal advice from the local council. In summary, I have been hung out to dry by the legal system. MAKE TRESPASS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE NOW! This would allow trespasses to be dealt with immediately. When did justice mean allowing someone to live free in someone else's house without consent. It beggars belief! No more Dale Farms!
- DRH, Surrey, 18/1/2012 9:58: Sorrybut I couldn't resist a bit of pedantry - I agree with your post, by the way - but it was Dickens, rather than Shakespeare, who wrote that the law is an ass.
In 1980 (when I was a young copper) we would have gone into the house mob handed, nicked the squatters, given the lady her property back and ensured that this lot of trash got deported. Now the police seem to just be popping in for a chat with them. Anybody who thinks this place isn't beyond broken after reading this is a genuine moron or a simpleton. Or a socialist.
Complain as much as you like, then dont forget to vote lib/lab/con like good little boys next election for more of the same. Best of luck to the squatters, they're only doing what they've been encouraged to do by the people of Britain.
Bring pressure to bear on the Govt. to change this squatting law to make it a criminal offence immediately. Considering the world situation, this problem is only going to get more aggravated. Why should someone, who has worked all their lives to have to face a prolonged issue, added expense of people trashing thier property and the stress and uncertainty. How about the DM starting this off?
i really hate this country. - ashamed to be british, chester, 18/1/2012 10:37 ======================================================================================= So do I, and so am I.
As a first step, why don.t the owners have the power, gas, and water cut off?
All it should take is a phone call to your energy supplier to switch off the gas/eletricity, that will get them out.
It's all right everyone, our wonderful Justice Secretary is on the case! On March 18th last year the DM reported that "Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke is to scrap existing ‘soft touch’ laws and make occupying a private property illegally a criminal offence. It will mean the police can enter a property by force and evict the occupants within days." So that's all right then! The problem is solv- Eh? What do you mean, nothing's changed? But the Justice Secretary promised us ten months ago that it would happen! Surely our government wouldn't let us down, would they? They wouldn't promise something and then not do it...?
I seem to remember this issue was going to be sorted, in favour of the honest houseowner I mean, however all we get from this government is words and no action. I am embarrassed to admit I am British, as we are laughing stock of the world.
Dail Mail.......Please Please start another campaign for you surely will have the backing of the whole country,Enough is enough!!!!!!!Lets get this LAW changed now!!!!!!!
There is a simple solution. These squatters are illegal trespessers! Just buy a few pepper and tear gas sprays and squirt throgh the letter box. Problem solved!......
A prediction: When Sharon Wright is finally found 'she' will be a pseudonym for someone who knows how squatting works in this country. 'She' will have access to all manoeuvres to facilitate the extension of this 'tenancy'. Two thousand pounds sterling never saw the light of day; neither did any one make a pre-tenancy viewing, from the inside.
.....DON'T worry ......................"Call me Dave" and his Tory mates will sort this sort of thing out ,WON'T THEY ????
Welcome to broken Britain, freeloaders! Our politicians will bend over backwards to make sure your stay here is as cheap and as pleasant as possible.- Keith Jones, Wigan, UK, 18/1/2012 10:07. Keith you have said it all really. We really need to change our government as this lot and the liebour are as bad as each other. UKIP for me from now on.
Good job you didn't break into my house!! I would have just shot your ass!!!!
Vote for any of the 3 main parties and you vote for this end of story.
There are agencies specialized in 'removal' of undesirables. You can hire security staff for a ballroom, why not to evacuate your own premises? If the Police are aware that you are fumigating your property with Rentakil for pest control then you are entitled to do so regardless of the human pests on board. Civil is as civil does and one feels that the Police should be taking stronger action to apprehend the intermediaries in these scams and to give advice to the legal householders.
If they broke in that is a criminal offence. If the door was unlocked it is not BUT SHOULD BE IN THIS STUPID COUNTRY
Moldovia is not part of the EU !! Why will the boarder agency not ask to see their papers, and if they have no legal right in the UK, send them home today !! It is not surprising that we are a soft touch in Europe, the justice system is too concerned with micromanagement of our lives to be concerned with obvious CRIME Bring back the old Bobby who would have seen these criminals off. The next stop for these people will be the benefit office to claim some of my taxes. How about a private security company to clear these un-desirables, or will the do gooders find a lawyer to fight the Moldovian squatters case. Molly
Is it against the law to secure the gates to the property, to prevent access, or to cut the water and electric off ?
"....Alerted, the Masons rushed to the home but found the locks had been changed. Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter. ...">>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something, then: since when did breaking into a house and depriving the person who owns property of the use of tht property stop being criminal acts? Next it'll be victims of mugging or burglary who'll be told to catch the thief themselves - gently and respectfully, of course, without breaching their human rights! - and pursue them through the civil courts!
SO with the Electric they use while they are squatting and any other appliances. Council Tax etc who pays for that. I certainly wouldnt if I was the owner. They would soon move them then...
You can go to prison for breaking into a person's home to steal but breaking onto it to occupy it (trespass) is not a criminal offence. This is totally bizarre! When is the law on this going to be CHANGED?
police are a waste of space
You can go to prison for breaking into a person's home to steal but breaking onto it to occupy it (trespass) is not a criminal offence. This is totally bizarre! When is the law on this going to be CHANGED?
Whoever decided breaking and entering and stealing a home is legal really needs their head examining.....
I have said before and I will say again, Squatters like this get away with it because the Police and the CPS choose to interperet the law in the way that most favours the squatters. They turn a deliberate blind eye to obvious breaking and entering, they ignore what would be in any other situation, criminal damage and they choose not to investigate fake tenancy agreements. Let's imagine that a family of squatters managed to get into one of the Queen's residencies, say Sandringham, you reckon they would be allowed to stay? Of course not. The police and the CPS would jiggle the law about until they found a way to turff these people out. Very quickly too. And without the need for Court Orders. My point is that in a lot of cases the police could institute criminal proceedings. Not for squatting, but issues like criminal damage, breaking and entering or fraud. But they choose not to.Because it suits them not to. Because it's only Joe Public and they don't matter.
Although this is insane and should be illegal no matter what, I thought that squatting like this was only legal if entry WASN'T forced??? In this case it was forced, wasn't it? So why can't the police do anything??
turn of the water and electricity then camp outside, make sure anybody who leaves can not return.
Just a joke. What happened to breaking and entering? You can simply break in to a house, and, if it is empty you can stay there? What an absolute joke. Why is it always people who have worked all of their lives, paid their taxes (people like me) who suffer? It's always us who do no wrong that get stung by the benefit cheats, the low lifes, the squatters and the criminals and then more of our taxes pay for their 'rehabilitation' or as I call it 'life long freeloading'.
Mrs Mason needs to find new solicitors. There is a fast track county court process to get rid of squatters which could get these out within a few days.
They could be charged with the theft of a supermarket trolley?
What a country we live in. Our own treacherous politicians, the ones who sold us out to Brussels, have made us second-class citizens, foreigners are given preferential treatment every time.
i really hate this country.
The police are liars.
The police should not be questioning the breaking and entering criminals, they should be removing them!
If they broke in through the back door then surely that is breaking and entering, a criminal offence they should be arrested for, end of. Ian B, Warwick, 18/1/2012 10:04.---- My dear Ian from Warwick, you have a lot to learn about British justice. When you speak against them, then you yourself are liable to arrest for racism. The foreigners simply plead ignorance of our laws. The courts are stacked up against hard working honest British citizens. Read the DM every day Ian, you will soon get a clear understanding of the situation within the UK. Also please try to remember where to vote next time there is a general election. I will vote for the party that sacks all these useless court officials.
this is a CRIMINAL matter, pure and simple, as these scumbags broke in. keep tabs on them, wait until they've all gone out, then get someone in to change the locks again. Then tell them their stuff has been taken to the dump, right where they belong.
Just wondering,if that had been an english famlly would it still be viewed as a civil matter or as a break in.I suspect we are now officially the number 1 laughing stock of Europe,cheers for that you no good waste of space polititians.
"A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: ‘Squatting in an empty property remains a civil matter and the owners were advised accordingly.’ So what is BREAKING AND ENTERING? The police are just shirking their duties. Home secretary do your job!
if they had a rental agreement why break in via the back door.surely even our loopy judges should be able to see through their story and evict them pronto
"....Cameron get off your backside and do something, instead of useless rehetoric. How can this be a civil matter.- Alec, Leicester, 18/1/2012 9:58"......Shh, remember, Mr. Cameron is very busy indeed on his 'Happiness survey' which in his opinion is vital to Britain, and his leadership, he has no time for silly things of this nature......
What a wonderful country Great Britain is, providing you're not Btitish
"They broke in, that makes them burglers, can't they be arrested for that? - Denzil, thisinsanecountry, 18/1/2012 09:57" No, entering with an intent to STEAL (or inflict bodily harm) makes them burglars. As I understand it, as long as they have repaired the damage they caused in breaking in - I guess before they are discovered to have broken in - the law is with them. The sooner this law is changed, the better. This is a truly terrifying possibility if you have to be away from your home for an extended period.
The Police should have arrested them on suspension "breaking and entering" and taken them into custody pending them proving they had a right to do be in the property. This would give the true owner the opportunity to get her home back and stop them re entering.
It is time that squatting became a criminal offence. All foreign citizens who squat in private homes here are automatically deported with no right to legal assistance nor to appeal. They should be subject to a ruling that they can never return to this country
If this was to happen to me or any of my family I wouldn't tell anyone,but rest assured the people in the property would be out the property without any of their belongings back on the street where they belong,and I would take the full consequences and feel I was justified.
THE LAW AND COUNTRY IS VERY VERY WRONG,,GET THE LAWS CHANGED. COME ON KEN CLARK GET OFF YOUR BUM AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
they are the ones getting it all for free. Time for this to stop. I will chip in for the Masons legal bill, and I suggest they set up something or the Mail does a campaign. TIME TO STOP. THE ATM IS RUNNING OUT!!!
So I can break into one of your so called royal palaces that belongs to the people anyway and squat. What a country!
Tje police will do nothing until you try to get your proprty back - then you will be arrested! == The law needs to make trespass a criminal offence. THe poilce will then have to act and support the law abiding.
Have facebook parties at the event for hundreds of people every weekend until they go.
Who the hell is Sharon Wright to let out other peoples properties. Does my head in this. I'd suggest if this was our homes we'd resolve this one way or another.
I would drag them out myself and throw them in the gutter were they belong, no way Id be going through court and paying thousands in legal fees.
Disgusting, this law breaking is condoned by the police and the government
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with this country?! How many times does it have to happen that a group of people BREAK IN to a house, 'can't' be removed and stay there at the owner's expense?! We have enough problems in certain areas of London without worrying that your house will be full of squatters every time you leave it for two minutes.
If the police our powerless to do something about it and say that it is a 'civil' matter then to me that is telling the public to take the law into their own hands. Removal by any means necessary. If the law isn't changed then this country will become a very nasty place indeed with a high rate of assault and worse.
Can they ask for the electric to be turned off to their supply company to save that cost. It's all wrong what is going on.where has common sense gone to?
We need some squatters to move into an MP's home. The law would be changed within hours if that ever happened. Personally, the "law" wouldn't matter to me, I would treat them like the vermin that they are and smoke them out.
If they broke in it's a burglary and a criminal matter not a civil one.
this country is an absolute joke. How can breaking & entering be a civil matter? No doubt they never all go out together, otherwise they could break back into their own house and change the locks again, wonder what the law would have to say about that? No doubt the poor owners would be in the wrong. Good Old broken Britain!
If the police are so powerless, have they got a current TV licence ? Send the detector vans round, they are like rottweilers !
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/2012 2:09 Come on Tony Where have you been ? How can you blame Cameron ? This has been happening throughout the last 13 years of a Labour government ! Whoever is in power, the Law needs changing. End of story.
Why are some people blaming Cameron's government, it is a very old law. And a rediculous one at that.
Great Britain today.
I think without any major uprising there will be no change in law. Shame on you Kaimeroon
- Ivan Ekovanich, Russian flea circus; whose comment is currently at the top of the worst rated column does make make a very valid point. Just where are are the 'million man marches', the howls of protest outside Parliament, the mass button holing of MPs 
I'm sorry, isn't 'breaking and entering' a crime in this country?
This sort of event doesn't happen in Russia....or the countries where these 'people' come from, because in their home countries, they would be shot on sight by either the Police, or, the home owners or the friends or families. England is a 'soft' touch for them, hence they are swarming in and doing this....the law, urgently, needs changing.
OUR COUNTRY IS GETTING SICKER ALL THE TIME.A LAND OF MILK AND HONEY TO SQUATTERS AND BENEFIT CHEATS.WHER ELSE IN THIS WORLD ARE SO MANY CRIMES COMMITTED WITH OUT A PROPER PUNISHMENT.THE HUMAN RIGHTS RULE OUR COUNTRY,NOT THE ELECTED GOVERMENT OF THE DAY
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice (is this a misnomer) was unable to say when the law would come into force. " Why are they unable to say when - what are the proposed target dates? "Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door.....Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter. " Why is a break-in a civil matter? Is a break-in to anyone's house whilst the owner is out a civil matter? Who is the "Metropolitan Police spokesman" and who's opinion that it is "a civil matter" are they reciting? Since when does a "tenancy agreement" take precedence over owner land registry.
Just a thought, how about we all stop paying our mortgages once the banks have sorted all the paper work out to kick us out, we then claim squatters right for another 8 months or so. This would sort all the banks, politicians out, then and only then might start doing their jobs!
Dear Lady, get a no win no fee lawyer to serve notice to Ken Clarke and the police on the following grounds European Convention on Human Rights: Part II The First Protocol Article 1 Protection of property: Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law.
Message to the owner - stop paying for the electricity, for the moment and the heating, lets see how fast these parasites will move then. Play them at their own game - it is YOUR property do with it as you will to get these leeches out!
I wonder, if a group of ''needy Europeans'' were to break into the local MP's house, or the Chief Constable's, what might then be the outcome? would Breaking and entering mysteriously become a crime overnight?.... Probably !
This is a civil matter not a police matter .Then for goodness sake MAKE it police matter. Why in the U.k.does everything take such a long time before the law is changed for the good of the people and not criminals. Why why why .
The police ''can't do anything''. Try sending in the ''heavies'' to get this scum out and they will be round like a shot to arrest you.''Cesspit'' Britain once again.
Sorry everyone, there is something missing in this story. The police can act in a case of house break in. Secondly, gas and electricity firms can be told to visit the property and disconnect the service. They have a TV, so TV licensing can be told to ask them to pay. These squatters claim to have a tenancy agreement which the Police can take a copy of and have it examined to see if it is fake, which constitutes a crime in itself. Who is the lady who the tenants claim to have an agreement with. DM is not reporting the whole story.
I wonder if this would be a civil issue should it happen to Nick Clegg or some MEP??
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/2012 2:09>>>>>>> This is a Tony B"LIAR" legacy Tony and well you know it... He opened the doors and let them flood in, ruined this counrty...
YOUNG PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that CMD said that he would be bringing in a law to make squatting a criminal offence, not a civil matter. I suppose it's one of those sometimes never changes that we are promised.
Throw them out and tell the Moldovians to sue the so called letting agent. These fake letting agreements are allowing them to make fools of us all. It's time our politicians did something about it.
How are breaking and entering a property and fraudulently renting out a property that doesn't belong to you not criminal offence's? Think the police ought to be trained in what constitutes a crime and what doesn't, idiots.
it will soon be people are afraid to go on holidays incase these squatters move in when you are away what a country we have become
Our law is rubbish. So now we can't even go on holidays without worry. The law is blind, can't they even tell if the contract is or not made-up contract from Sharon Wright. Cut off the electric Mrs Masons. Go to sky news, the law should be change pronto. Please please please change our law on squatters ASAP.
I smell a business opportunity. 'Squatters for hire'. Someone should set up a business that supplies background checked people to occupy your property around the clock in shifts, thus leaving the property continuously occupied and making it impossible for someone to break in. I have no idea of what the cost could possibly be, but it would be cheaper and quicker than risking squatters, plus it would be in the contract that there would be no damage to the property.
Who the hell decided that breaking into a stranger's home and using their gas and electricity and living there for as long as they like is legal?
Deport the thieving scroungers immediately. Why were they let in?
I donÂ’t agree with squatters rights but I understood the law to be that they could only enter the property if not breaking in? They broke in in this case so why canÂ’t the police arrest them?
How the hell is this a civil matter.....they broke into her house??????
A couple of months ago, here in Luxembourg, a bunch of squatters took over a property. The police were called, duly arrived and removed the squatters. The property was handede back to the rightful owners. The whole incident was over uin 2 hours. Now, if little old Luxembourg can do it - why can't Britain?
I understood"call me" and his government said last June they were going to criminalise squatting as part of the new Justice Bill. Perhaps the DM could investigate what progress has been made-before people lose their patience.
Absolute disgrace! Should be evicted immediately and all charged with breaking and entering, costs for damages etc!! Far to weak for our own good!!
If they have broken in, that is criminal damage and the police have to intervene. This is a total disgrace and the Government should stop all this once and for all and make this a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.
They broke in and changed the locks......surely that classifies as breaking and entering and they can be charged! Since I am not the only one making this comment clearly us 'logical' thinking people think the same!
Hmmmm why are the Masons paying the utility bills?...why don't they contact the suppliers and request them to be turned off. I'm sure the Moldovans would soon leave when they have no heat or light.
Squatting is apparently legal. OK so looking at the pictures we have theft of a Supermarket trolley (Criminal offence) or theft by finding it (criminal offence), possibly watching a TV without a valid licence (Criminal Offence), theft of utilities (Criminal offence) never mind the alleged breaking in. So there is plenty to act on to give the Police a start. - Mark, Manchester, in the once Great Britain, 18/1/2012 09:48++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ thar is correct, but you forgot about the EU advocates who will use her human rights so she can live in the UK (but not anywhere else in the EU, of course)... And it will be your and my money to pay these EU advocates...
Welcome to broken Britain, freeloaders! Our politicians will bend over backwards to make sure your stay here is as cheap and as pleasant as possible.
What have we got to do now to protect our properties hire security guards.to sit in when we go out .
The squatters would claim that the door lock was already broken when they came to it, however stealing electricity is illegal and they could be arrested for that if the police got off their backsides and stopped claiming it was all a civil matter....
This Madness will continue unabated for as long as Ther British People alloow it, by constantly electing the same Corrupt individuals into Parliament. Over the last five Decades, the LibLabCon, have systematically destroyed OUR Country, to benefit their Banking Masters in Europe. For heaven's sake wake up, before this leads to the Civil War that was intended at the outset, followed by a divide and conquer move to establish a Nazi State.{Orwell's 1984} As you can all see, the Cameras are already in place, last year,s riots were allowed to happen in order to test out the System.
The law on squatting is insane. It should be changed as soon as possible.
I will never understand why this is not a criminal matter. You cannot steal a house by taking it away, but, as a house's purpose, and the reason we pay for them, is to be lived in then surely if you live in a house you don't own then you have in effect stolen it - hence theft, hence criminal offence. I feel less sympathy for owners who leave their homes empty and wasted with no attempt to sell them for ages when there are so many homeless, they are perhaps asking to have squatters. However, this couple were in the process of selling having rented it out, so this is not a house that was vacant for any lenght of time. As for paying for the electricity, well, as they own the house then they can just let the electricity company know they no longer need power and have it cut off, that should help get these squatters out. It may be that they were in turn conned by this Sharon woman, but that is still not the fault or problem of this poor couple.
The £250,000 three-bedroom detached house in Walthamstow, East London, was left empty after the tenants moved out. Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door. -------- If they broke in it is not squatting and a civil matter but breaking & entering and tresspass which IS a matter for the police, so either the DM has it's facts wrong and they got in without breaking in or the police don't even know the law, both possibilities are equally posible these days so pick one or flip a coin
This peculiar British legal situation which allows scavenging squatters to BREAK into a person's private home, move their goods inside, use electricity/water etc at the OWNER'S expense - and remain there until the court sorts it out! And the owner has to stand by with hands tied, foot the bill for all legal costs and property expenses (electricity consumption etc) - and wait. This is absolutely unbelievable! What has Britain come to that it forces its citizens to endure this? Is the owner re-imbursed for all the costs when the saga is over?
I don't condone squatting at all, so don't to lump that on me. However, I just feel the need to point out that Moldova is NOT, I repeat NOT in the EU so this has nothing to do with the EU - so can the EU bashing be left out of this thread. You look like idiots when you just spout out EU nonsense at every opportunity.
If they broke in through the back door then surely that is breaking and entering, a criminal offence they should be arrested for, end of.
If they originally BROKE in then that's a crime isn't it? What a laughing stock this Country has become!
My cousin had a similar problem with a house he owns. Some people had broken the door open, and he thought they were using the house to sell drugs from, he also thought there was stolen property in there, they had also left a vicious dog in there which attacked one of his friends. He went to the police, who said they knew about the house, but could do nothing about it as it was a civil matter, they also knew about the dog but they said they couldn't remove it, so he had to get the RSPCA to come. Hopefully now, after having to buy new doors, and other expenses he is sorted, but it caused him a lot of stress, and having survived cancer a year or two back was all he needed. The law needs to be changed if it is true that the police can do nothing and that it isn't that they just can't be bothered.
If dirty squatters moved into my house phoning the police would be the last thing I would do. The police will never support you against squatters. I would move in with them and they would soon pack there bags
How much longer do we have to wait for the acts of squatting and tresspass to be returned to criminal law.I believe the previous government reclassified the offences to be covered by civil law so it should be easy enough to reverse. Perhaps a reversal would upset sqatters and travellers.
Cameron get off your backside and do something, instead of useless rehetoric. How can this be a civil matter.
You have a very peculiar and odd way of looking at illegal things in your country me thinks LOL
This country is being raped by foreigners from the EU we must get out and make strong laws to protect us all.
These people don't bother with detail. They talk about and pass on in their limited but canny minds what the so-called travellers got away causing mayhem for so long at Dale Farm. They get the message - the law is an ass - and if Shakespeare said it then it must be! Ignorance is really bliss with these people. But they know that sweet reason is not in their lexicon, doesn't pay, just get on with they do, and move in regardless. And in numbers, all their offspring. Their attitude? That going to school, to learn, to consider, is all a mug's game. But how sickening. Dregs of society? Fair description for me.
They broke in, that makes them burglers, can't they be arrested for that?
Maybe they should be arresting the leasing agent and or their associates. The Police should hold the intruders in custody until their actions are proved to be of honest intention and collated with the proper evidence. The benifit of doubt should be given to the Owners..Until proved otherwise. Changing the locks & breaking in through the back door is enough to be arrested for.Pah Humbug GB.
I served in Kosovo right after the war there, and these people were invading even Kosovo, although it had just gotten off of war. They dont give a damn about other people much. Also, Moldova is not in the EU and as such they are probably illegal in the UK. That should suffice to kick ‘em out of the house and the country altogether.
IM begining to feel like a stranger in my own land.
Yes, the whole world is laughing at the stupidity in this country on a daily basis.
British people have NO rights, only squatters, criminals and illegal immigrants have rights kindly given to them by the EU who took away our rights with the consent of our governments.
JM, Nottingham is right. This country has gone mad - we're just fascilitating a mass free for all, with lovely benefits to boot. It's got to stop. Pity the neighbours too, having to live near the squatters.
If they broke in they are not squatters.... They are criminals... Breaking and entering is still a crime in this country is it not???!!! Ridiculous, get them out and send them back to their own country if they cannot abide by the laws of this land.
The joys of being in the EU. - Jessand, Putney, SW London, 18/1/2012 14:47 Sorry to disappoint you but Moldova isn't a member of the EU - bill, dover - - - - - - - If thats the case, send the UKBA to the address. If they have no right to be here, they should be removed. Not that the UKBA will actually remove them, but it might make them do a runner from the placee.
My god, just returned from 3 week trip to Thailand and NOTHING has changed in this country, this is why I shall definitely be moving overseas in coming years. I am sooo sick of the way hard working/honest Brits are treated with such disrespect by these low lives - poor Mr and Mrs Mason, I really really feel for them...
Paul, Southampton, UK, this has nothing to do with the EU and the UK's membership or not. Last time I looked Moldova wasnt a member! This is to do with the UK's border controls (or lack of it, one presumes) and the barmy English laws regarding squatters rights. One thing is certain, it wouldnt happen in other EU countries, the police would simply turf them out!
I thought breaking and entering was a criminal offence.
Must try breaking into no 10 Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and see how long my squatters rights will allow me to live there?
So if they had a tenancy agreement why didn't they have a key? And I thought braking in was against the law? Looks like some people are refusing to do their jobs properly..
Putting an Estate Agent's board on a property just advertises to would-be squatters that it is likely to be empty. Three attempts to break into the empty house next to me in Walthamstow were only foiled because we heard them and chased them off. Even though they were jemmying open the front door no doubt the police would not have arrested them for breaking and entering!
For the Well Being, Wealth, Housing, Health Services, Benefits System etc for ALL the peoples of these islands in ALL of the countries the best wall to rebuild is the Berlin Wall not Hadrians.
Wimpy Ken has a 'proposal' to make this sort of theft along with breaking and entering illegal! Crazy. These people must have broken several laws already including theft of services like electricity and water. Get a move on Ken. The rest of us should just cease voting for Lib/Lab/Con as we can just expect more of the same until the jackboot of the EU is off our face.
We keep voting for these left wing anti British/ English, Empire apologist, and general sycophants. Until we change our voting habits this will keep happening.
Breaking and entering is a CRIME. How did anyone get in there ? Find Sharon Wright ? Is the document a forgery ? - another CRIME. Did "Sharon Wright" defraud the occupants ? - another CRIME. There we are, THREE CRIMES to investigate! Get off your fat backsides PLOD, before your lazy incompetence drives people to violence.
Get used to it, or elect leaders with testes.
if the police kick them out ,the council will have to re house them, that is why the police are reluctant to act, the longer the squatters stay as 'guests' of this poor lady , the more money the council will save,, she perhaps should get in contact with the council,and threaten to sue them,for what in particular i do not know, perhaps some type of failure to provide alternative housing
British peple now sake a back seat to foreigners in their own country. I cannot see any other country in the world allowing this to happen without the police taking serious action to resolve things. I am so glad i don't live in the pitiful place any longer ... very sad.
Breaking and entering; I thought was illegal; against the law, not right under the law; contrary to British law....has that sunk in yet Prime Minister and Home Secretary; hasn't he been sacked yet; not fit for purpose. So why haven't these criminals been rounded up and removed from the house. Britain is now bogged down with European law; lawyers who make it their job to spin the taxpayer's money into their pockets supporting such criminals; no doubt. Breaking and entering; get them out and ito jail; preferably a Brussels jail; or let them stay in one of those faceless European judges homes with their familes; wouldn't that be nice.
Squatting is apparently legal. OK so looking at the pictures we have theft of a Supermarket trolley (Criminal offence) or theft by finding it (criminal offence), possibly watching a TV without a valid licence (Criminal Offence), theft of utilities (Criminal offence) never mind the alleged breaking in. So there is plenty to act on to give the Police a start.
Outrageous. i recently watched a programme on squatters and i cant believe the home owner has no rights what so ever to even come onto the property, let alone grab then by the scruff and kick them out. One owner had to pay all court cost while the squatters got aid. And court and clean up cost him 30K
"They broke down the door! How can it not be breaking and entering????What are these people doing in England?" - Stuart Rowe, Port Elizabeth,South Africa...There is no such crime in English law as "breaking and entering". There is a crime of burglary, but that requires the entry was made for the purpose of committing one of four specific crimes, usually stealing goods inside the building. Had they arrested someone for damaging the lock, that is a paltry offence and they would have had to have been bailed - back to the house! Like it or lump it, the law makes the police powerless in such cases and arresting these occupiers would have been unlawful and put the police on the wrong side of the law. Don't blame the police for this - Parliament should make squatting an offence and give the police the powers they need to deal with it.
Makes you wonder who are the mugs here, we law abiding hard working citizens or idle criminals who never go to work, steal or get given free housing, money thrown at them and just in case they do get caught and sent to prison, they are given more free lodgings and 3 hot meals a day, warm beds and showers, pool tables and tv's and as many human rights that they can think of. How the hell did all this stupidity happen?
Many years ago my other half rented out a house. The tenants left, but when my other half went to check out the property he found an individual (who it turned out was a friend of the previous tenants) mending his motor bike in the front room - carpet oily and filthy and the rest of the place a mess. Fortunately the locks had not been changed so my other half was able to access the property and this individual was ejected without delay. If some enterprising company could come up with a 'squatterproof' security system for a house I'm sure they would do very well, meanwhile I cannot blame people who take matters into their own hands in order to reclaim their properties. One other thought - maybe locksmiths should be made responsible for establishing ownership of the houses they are changing locks on. This would not stop squatters from doing it themselves, but could be one extra safeguard.
i cant write what i want to write as i know i would get done unlike these
Change this outdated law and charge these housebreakers for tresspass and then thow them out of the country.
If the old bill had his wits about him it would be conspiracy to break and enter, the fact of being in a house you have no right to be in after the door was broken should be enough to establish a joint effort. It should not be necessary to establish exactly which individual broke the door.
"Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter." Rgight everyone STOP PAYING your taxes since you get no benefit from the state institution's.
"It would be so easy to pass a new law - and I dont think any law abiding citizen would put in objections!" - Janet, UK, 18/1/2012 9:19 You are right Janet, no law abiding citizen would put in objections, but you can be damn sure the "Yuman Rights" brigade would!
Badly served by the legal profession. Law Society itself is a shambles - no wonder
I would have thought that breaking a door to get in would have been a crime . If it is NOT a crime then this Government should dam well make it one The government should make squatting a criminal offence sooner rather than later . It is much more important than asking nurses to talk to patients , I would have thought !!!!
IMO If somebody doesn't do SOMETHING about this RIGHT away, somebody somewhere is going to get hurt. Somebody please pay attention, the English will only "put up and shut up" so long, that time is nearing it's close I believe. Somebody needs to LISTEN SOON.
Why have we got this European scum in Britain; I know, we are tied into Europe by spineless PMs and politicians. As I predicted years ago; Britain has become the "Amsterdam" of Europe. It has to stop, Get out of Europe; forget the scaremongering by Euro supporters; Britain can go it alone; it did years ago, and it still can do....Get out of Europe and tell them to get lost or they will sink us all.
A policeman once told me they can't do anything if someone walks into your house, it's only when they steal something that it becomes a criminal matter. He gave the example of should the people switch on the lights, then that would be classed as theft of electricity and the police would be able to act. Perhaps this couple could go down the route? - James Ford, The Island, 18/1/2012 09:07 ---In the photo they appear to have the TV on so why don't the police do them for theft of electricity?
Instead of forking out thousands of pounds on legal fees, why not just give a couple of burly blokes a couple of hundred quid to go and "ask" these reprobates to leave? No violence of course, but the sight of 2 or 3 huge men knocking on your door would be enough to frighten them off. Then they can get a nice council house that we can all pay for.
I personally wouldnt stand for it and would take my own initiative. If it where my house i would bust down the door to my house with a few of my mates or some hired big blokes and drag them all out. Also i thought the whole stupid squatters law only applied if they got into the house without damaging anything, and surely breaking in through the back door and changing the locks is damaging the property, how on earth can anything like this be legal, its a complete and utter joke.
I cannot comprehend the audacity of these foreigners!!! How dare they take someone else's property like that. Squatters should have NO rights! They should be arrested for STEALING other peoples property!
The situation is ridiculous. The Police may claim to be unable to do anything but I wouldn't mind betting the TV License people will be round there quick enough to get their dough!
I would change the locks when they were all out .... trouble is i bet they never leave it empty for 5 minutes ~ what is this country coming to ????
Turn off the power and water. Get Phil Mitchel in!
Time Cameron did something about this and make it a police matter initially and a legal matter thereafter.
What are we moaning about, WE allowed our Government to kowtow to the EU and throw open the borders to allow all this dross in and NOW we complain...pathetic, UKIP for me.
We need law to be changed from today if this was some mp they wouldn't be there 5 seconds cos the police would sort it out. why is this a civil matter? they are illegal in someone's property they are not there by consent its trespass
And yet a UK Immigration Officer had this problem, got a Court Order and the Police evicted the squatters all within 24 hours (Daily Mail 18/8/11) so why will it take months ? I know, the lady doesn't work within Government circles, so she doesn't count.
- Ivan Ekovanich, Russian flea circus., 18/1/2012 7:47 The worse thing that happened was when the former "Iron Curtain" came down. When you will all controlled we never had even heard of some of these Countries. Now look at what Europe is having to pay fo
Nobody,and mean nobody would do this to me. The criminal justice system is a sick joke. I would use whatever means where nesessary to remove this scum from my propety. I certainly would not rely on the useless police. Yes I know these jobsworths would arrest me because that is the easy option for them, but so what.
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
Remember this: British people have no rights any more. We are here to serve all others and be humiliated and downtrodden at every opportunity. Work hard, pay your taxes, and see those hard earnt taxes used and abused by a system that rewards the undeserving. If you think this is bad, wait until the floodgates open to the Romanians at the end of next year. And there is nothing we can do about it........well, not unless we leave the EU, and how do we leave the EU? I say bring people power back and oust the EU, and the only current way is to vote UKIP, if only to get us out of this insane institution.
It gets down to three basic facts of life. Utterly useless politicians Utterly useless Justice system Utterly useless police force. Give up folks. Nothings going to change.
When our own government is not screwing us they allow others to enter the country and screw us. In the old days people could leave their doors unlocked for the kids to play freely and if that was to happen today it would allow someone to also take over your home without being arrested for trespassing. How ridiculous is the trespassing law if it can not protect people and their property from squatters? The UK is the laughing stock of not just Europe where all know they can come and take our taxes and homes but also the world as it looks on and laughs.
"Squatters' rights" - an oxymnoron if I ever heard one! How can someone entering your property, without your consent have rights? What about the owner's rights? There have been far too many episodes like this. The government needs to change this law TODAY - and get rid of that Human Rights guff at the same time. NO RIGHTS WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITIES.
I suggest the police starts with checking if these people have right to be in the UK.
THE LAW IS A ASS.
Makes me wonder why I am bothering spending most of my salary on my mortgage when I could just have helped myself to someone else's house for free. It must be because I am an honest hard working tax payer instead of a thief.
"believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door." So they broke in. That is Breaking and Entering and is an arrestable offence, convictable in UK law. So either the DM has the story wrong or Mason can sue the police for millions.
I expect they have a TV Licence for that telly!
Of course it's a police matter! And if it isn't for some crazy reason, it jolly well should be! Stop passing the buck, UK police!
It is high time that squatting in any property, whether furnished or empty, is treated as theft of property. This would automatically make it a criminal matter and give the police power to act to remove the squatters. I don't know where this idea of it being a civil matter came from, when the inhabitants have entered and taken possession of somebody else's property without their consent. The owner of any property, or the official tenant of any property should be able get the trespassers removed immediately, giving the owner/tenant time to provide a copy of their lease or mortgage or a copy of their lease agreement with a reputable agency or council. It is absolutely criminal that these people from Third World European countries should be allowed to break in (we know they do, despite their denials), wave a piece of paper from some unheard of Third World European agent an have police protection whilst they steal gas and electricity and wreck someone's home. WAKE UP CAMERON
Civil matter? They broke in: breaking and entering and criminal damage are two of the offences committed that spring to mind. This is not a civil matter; the police have abdicated responsibility in respect of this type of crime. But don't take matters into your own hands! Oh No! If you do, it will be you who is arrested and down the nick. Great country this, isn't it? No wonder so many people are flooding to live here.
UKIP or BNP for me next time
Come on Daily Mail help this family, do a petition in the paper that we can all sign and get this government to change this law ASAP.
if you have a property empty for whatever reason(even if it's for a brief period) you should contact 'short-life housing co-ops' they will draw up a contract with you which guarantees re-posession with a months notice(if so required) & they put tenents in who will prevent squatters & all the vast expense,stress & huge inconvenience they bring. Also a modest rent is paid to you as well..i am such a tenent & it works well for the owners,also my neighbour an elderly lady is happier as she wasn't happy when te property was boarded up potentialy attracting crime.
Advise to all new immigrants into the UK. Go to the House of Parliament, obtain the addresses of the useless MP and feel free to squat in their properties. I bet that would change the law quickly.
I have been writing to Grant Shapps Goverment Housing Minister on these cases of illegal squatting after he announced lasr year that he was going to change the law and get squatting of innocent people's property made illegal and a thing of the past. So what has he done so far after a year? Answer? Absolutely nothing !!
It's ludocrous! Somebody breaks into your house and makes a home there illegally and it's a "civil matter"? The laws must be changed immediately.
The joys of being in the EU. - Jessand, Putney, SW London, 18/1/2012 14:47 Sorry to disappoint you but Moldova isn't a member of the EU
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." 'Waffler' Clarke seems to have enough spare time to make a g-d awful Jazz programmes for Radio 4. Get a grip man or move over for someone who can spend 100% of their time on the job.
Surely if they have broken in, then they should be removed as thats ILLEGAL. Time we acted swiftely, evict and DEPORT, its the only way to get these free loaders out of our country.
Well our politicians are always claiming that we should welcome other cultures and learn from them. Isnt that right Ken Livingstone? Welcome to Britain. Its enough to make you weep!!
The squatters have furnished themselves with a few luxuries i.e. sofa and TV I see. If the TV is theirs and was not left behind by Mrs Mason then I believe the squatters are liable for the TV license...get the licensing agency to go round and fine them the mandatory 1,000 pounds....TV Licensing will hound these squatters to pay...which would hopefully scare them off. Use the system to beat the system.
If the Moldovan "squatters" had been terrorists like Mr Qatada, the state would have found them a nice mansion not a 3 bedroom house, and made sure they were well looked after by our "benefits" system! I am sure Shami Chakrabarti and her organisation would have pulled out all the stops for them.
When is CAMERON going to start looking after the interests of his voters NOT the SCUM that LABOUR has allowed to contaminate our country!!!!
Who the hell decided that squatters have rights. Isn't it called stealing?
I wonder what would happen if millions of us decided to move to an Eastern European country and do this to their people? I wonder if their government and law would stand for it? Most likely not. We are the cul-de-sac for all the scum in Europe. And out weak willed government does NOTHING for its own people.
So if the police are saying they can't do anything as it's a civil matter ... and if the squatters are saying that they didn't break in, they just found it like that ... all you need to do as a burglar now, if caught in anybody's house, is wave a bit of paper with a made up name on it, say you are the new tenant and those crowbar marks on the back door were there when you got there. Job done! I still don't understand though: if you find people in your car they can be arrested, but if you find them in your house you can't?
Under this BAD LAW, even if the owner entered the property, SHE would be arrested and have to pay compensation to the crminals stealing her house. Bad Law must be ignored by Good People. If 'The Law' said you must jump over a cliff, would you? Come on, locals and relatives of the owner, help eject the criminals as your 'police' are too busy protecting the rights of terrorists like Abu Whatsisname... This country could be better if Good People got off their backsides and stop being afraid of BAD LAWS. The police would look, and say, "Oh my, The People run this country after all!"
Well im sorry but i would not have involved the police .One way or another they would of been out and stuff the consequences stupid law
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." - Now, sooner rather than later. It's about time this country started protecting the law abiding British people. These scumbags should be sent packing, out of this woman's house and back to where they came from. They are criminals (civil matter doesn't cut it with me personally) with no respect, they are not welcome here.
The owner should advise the utility companies that they should disconnect the supplies (Gas, electricity, water & telephone). The squatters would then have to ask for reconnection and PAY for them. Oh, I forgot, that would breach their human rights!
I am fed up with reading about situations like this! Its high time our government took action and made situations like this a criminal offence. If it were me and my property i'd turn up with a load of friends/relatives and boot them all out. At the end of the day its her property, so kick them the hell out. Disgusting!! This country is being dragged further and futher down and our govenment do NOTHING about it.
The police are not powerless to act if the squatters broke in as stated in the article. In that case they are no different from burglars. If they walked in through an open door then squatting is a civil matter- I think the police need to brush up on the law.
THE LAW IS AN ASS at times and this a blatantly good example of a wrongful act, not covered by immediate action to be taken by the police. If I get into your car the police will remove me, but not if get in your house.... Lawful people become second to unlawful....what situation the law creates, utter stupidity is an understatement
Why dont you get the water gas and electric cut off that will shift the little darlings
What a country weve become, foreigners can just walk into your home, steal it, and the police are powerless to do anything about it. Weve become the laughing stock of the world. When will we as a nation wake up and take our country back from all these so called do gooders who think more about the human rights of thieves and murderers trhan honest hard working British citizens.???
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49..........There was someone else who talked like this and he was the most hated man in the world. They are humans not rats. I don't agree with what they are doing and I don't agree that anyone should squat a a home and not be able to be turfed out (there are many empty homes about including council ones but not in such a nice condition). That gives you no reason to call another human being a rat for finding a home. What should be illegal is that they are not UK citizens so the law of squatters rights should not apply to them.
I wonder if the squatters broke into a Policeman's or a MP's house it would still be a ''civil'' matter
This is UTTERLY ridiculous! In any other country this is called trespassing. Every single person who reads this article is going to feel outraged and sympathy for the homeowner in question, but do nothing as it's not their home that has been invaded. We've never been a nation to stand by and abide this kind of lunacy, so please write to your local MPs and the the Justice Secretary and start DEMANDING a change to this law. Trespassing is illegal, as is stealing and this 'squatting' issue is both. One day you could try to sell your home or go on a lengthy vacation.....
We are all in it together? Are they in your house,Cameron?
Those poor Moldovans. Not only do they appear to have been misled and probably conned out of a great deal of money due to the fake tenancy agreement but they forgot to collect their 60 inch plasma screen upon entering the country.
the Moldovian family are squatting in Britain as it is , they are also squatting in a persons home , spot the difference .
It's about time England take the lead from us Scott's and make it illegal to squat. Come on parliament do your job help those who are honest law abiding people that have their lives wrecked because you stand in favour of the criminals. I'm sure that all the fat MP's and lords would not sit back and let this happen to you or your own family, I bet you would have them removed before the day is out if it was your own home. Many of the laws of this great land are no better than reusable toilet paper. Kick out the squatters put them in jail or send them back home.
Isn't that bizarre - if you break into a property and started damaging stuff, the police would arrest you. If you break into a property and start putting stuff into your pockets or bags, the police would arrest you. Break into a property and wave a piece of paper called "tenancy agreement" in their faces and they police don't or can't do anything.... Isn't the use of someone else's electricity supply or telephone line theft?
John, Essex - I'd risk it!! There is no way I'd sit back and do nothing. Wat Tyler, we need you again!!!
When I read things like this I am so happy that I don't live in England anymore! STUPID LAWS!!!!!STUPID Government! STUPID European Union.HOW can a foreigner enter England and steal this ladies house??????STUPID POLICE!!!!!!!They broke down the door! How can it not be breaking and entering????What are these people doing in England? Can we go to Moldova and steal their houses?
eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door...........Only in Britian! haaaa listen, if you break into someone's home here in the states, it's a CRIME, otherwise known as a POLICE problem, that turns into a LEGAL problem which turns into a COURT problem which ends up a JAIL problem. There are cases where all this is bypassed & it becomes a DEAD problem...then every thing goes back 2 normal. Meaning, the rightful owners retake possession of their property.
This item says more about what's wrong than even the piece about the criminal on release who murdered the 95 year old lady. Not only is the Law an Ass, which everyone knows; but society has it's head screwed on backwards. BTW -- This applies to both sides of the Atlantic.
The lawless always seem to come out on top in this country. Tax payers are mugs to a false democracy.
What on earth are we doing letting this happen..I don't understand who Government is working for any more.It isn't it's people.
Wasn't there a pledge.promise, assurance or whatever they called it about this type of thing long ago,but don't worry once the councils have robbed some old lady of her house these people will have a council house on you.
The benefit laws must be changed; for as long as we have these over generous benefits these people will be pouring over the boarder and into the UK. CHANGE THE BENEFITS SYSTEM NOW! We are all told we live in austere times; well British Government reflect this in the benefits you had out to these foreigners.
So the wonderful Met Police think that fraud is a civil matter. Why aren't they investigating the woman who sold the squatters the contract ? With the amount of publicity this has been getting recently, I am surprised the landlady did not take extra measures.
The police have got to have proof of who broke the lock to enter the house otherwise these low lives can claim that the door was already open when they moved in. Bitch it is. but that is the way the law is. suggest that the owner places a skip outside the back and front door, for the rubbish which will now start accumalating. Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26
I thought that breaking and entering was a crime. Seems like more examples of police who cannot be bothered.
ok, well if you cant get them on one ground due to a inept legal system that appears to benefit everyone other than us brits , TV licence ??? they are using one and if they haven't paid for rent i am damn sure they don't have one of those ......
Why do you people believe all you read in the DM!!!! If these people had broken in they would have been arrested for burglary.... If the building was insecure then its civil and the police have no powers. Don't get me wrong this is an outrage however the police don't make up the law they enforce it (or should do anyway!) Maybe anger should be vented towards the government who are the ones that can make a change..... Please if anything, don't put so much trust in the person writing the article, you don't get the true picture!
This whole 'squatters thing' is the most pathetic and most insane law I've ever encountered. get those people out of the house and send them back to where ever they're from. Idiots!
What has happened to our country?? We need to rid ourselves of all this soft, liberal, lefty nonsense!!
The law needs changing today , no right to be in your own home? where is the logic, and common sense , cut off the services , and board all the windows and doors up with steel plates ,
If you break into a house and steal even the most worthless trinket, it's burglary and you can go to jail. If you steal the whole house and everything in it, you're untouchable and the owners have to pay thousands to get you out! We are a laughing stock.
The DM must be delighted! An actual real excuse to include the 'value' of someone's house in the article.
I'm confused by this...They broke into the house (Breaking and entering is against the LAW) So how is this a civil matter? Probably the police cannot be bothered to deal with all the paper work...Sounds about right!
Breaking and entering is crime not a civil matter and it's time the government and the courts did something about it A.S.A.P
I am sick and tired of this 'the police won't do anything attitude', its half whats wrong with this country. I wish some of these people would break into Downing Street, be interesting to see if the police would do anything then. Makes my head spin to think how fast they'd act!!!
None of them were prepared to talk, probably don't speak a word of English. This really makes my blood boil. I bet when they get out, they will go to the council, get a council house, get council tax benefit, free school meals for their kids, free school places, social security, free school trips, free medical. It's crazy. We need to take control of our country once again. This would have never happened before the EU came along. I'm going to be so happy when it falls!
Surely it is stealing someone else's property and I thought stealing was illegal! What is wrong with this country?
It's easy to pass the buck and say it's a civil matter. The Criminal Damage Act 1861 (probably amended now) states that it is a criminal offence to cause damage to other persons property. Unless they used a key how did they gain access? without causing damage? Civil redress is an option but who is going to pay the costs.? Certainly not the squatters. Successive governments have closed their eyes and ears to these things happening. Wouldn't it be wonderful if every time an MP went on holiday his house was invaded by these people. Soon see a change in the law then, I bet.
For those of you commenting here who have also voted for Liebour in the past 15 years this is what you voted for get on with it..
Our MP's need to get off their backside and change the law so squatters are treated like the criminals they really are and property owners are not forced to waste their money and the already overworked courts time in getting rid of them. The police must be given powers to immediately evict squatters and at the same time arrest them to pay for any criminal damage they have done. Additionally the law should also be changed to allow the immediate eviction of travellers who unlawfully occupy private or public land and cease goods until they have paid to clean up the mess they have created..
Totally agree with Sohud, cut the gas and electricity off. With any luck the weather will turn exceedingly cold and these lowlifes will just freeze to death. Other than that, pay for a few heavies to 'have a word'. Cheaper than a lawyer, and let's face it,many of them have no morals and are only interested in lining their own pockets. Of course, it is now legal to be able to defend your property. Oh, and I seem to recall that breaking and entering is in fact, ILLEGAL! So perhaps the workshy police just don't want to be bothered with the paperwork. Why are these dreadful people even here in the first place? Send them back. If nothing is done, as a Tory all my life, I will be voting UKIP in the future.
Ridiculous! Would British people get away with this in their country? I think not - these Moldovians should be booted back to their own country.
The sooner this is made a criminal act the better - the law and the police need to get a grip.
So breaking into a house is legal in Britain? If I would have known that before, I would have made myself at home at Dowing Street No 10!
DON'T PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL AND GET IT CUT OFF! THEN PAY IT WHEN THEY ARE OUT. Appalling laws in this country for good people who have always upheld the laws. Appalling for this couple.
It would be so easy to pass a new law - and I dont think any law abiding citizen would put in objections!
A bit mean-spirited is it not? After all, our goverment have done their best to welcome strangers to our land so the least we can do is provide housing for them. After all, if our government welcomes them they must want us to house them? Or am I missing something here?
Nice body swerve there plod....not my job sir. And who ever thought it was a great idea to make this a civil matter should be flogged in the streets. Why should peoples lives be ruined and the law just stands by . Get a grip of this one Cameron.
Unbelieveably unfair, unjust and just plain ridiculous. The so called Law in this country absolutely STINKS. First thing to do is cut off all gas and electricity, employ a few 'handy men' to remove these cretins and chuck them out on their lazy backsides while the rest of us cheer you on! And we will cheer, very loudly!
have they a television licence ? just a thought ...should have terminated her gas and electricity before hand therefore not her problem
This keeps happening, the politicians keep doing nothing, and the police even less, remember this when a political party knocks at your door for votes, or the plod want a favour
can they not be charger for breaking and entering? So i f a burglar is caught on a premisises by the police, if he refuses to leave the property, does it mean he can claim squatters rights instead?
A quarter of a million pounds for that shoebox? I'm off to B&Q for a padlock for my wardrobe - they'll be squatting in there next!
The law on squatting is rediculous all she needs to do is change the locks to her own and move in her self or move the people out I suppose if she thorwn them out or got them thrown out she would be arrested, because its not a civil matter then this is so unjust I also suppose if they trash the house she has to pay for it too as landlord insurance doesnt cover for squatters... It should be if you are a squatter an immediate evication is authorised its tresspassing it shouldnt take 8 months to work that out... on another note she doesnt have to pay theelectricity surely she needs to contact them say she doesnt occupy the property and have it turned off and out her name. you dont pay what you dont use regardless who lives there I would have thought...
What a stupid nation we are. We go to war when for example Germany invades Poland, or Sadaam invades Kuwait, but stand back and let toerags invade honest peoples property. It is too late.....we are finished as the nation we once were.
Just smash the door down and go in! You can't be prosecuted for breaking into your own house. They will soon leave if there is no door and you remove the furniture and disable the services. OK, so it will cost you to repair the door, but that's all. If they want to claim you have broken a tenancy agreement then they will have to go to court..... and they won't do that.
Every time I read about these incidents I can't stop laughing. You Brits are... ehh... nevermind... but change the law... what purpose does this law suit? Except from these lowlife invaders who should never have been allowed into your otherwise fine country in the first place! - Finn, of Denmark, 18/1/2012 08:29=========================Don't you think we've tried to Finn? Government lawyers over here will find some way out of changing anything unless it helps them. It they can't find anything, they'll cite someones human rights (but not the owners obviously) are being abused. Personally, I would send the heavies in. As someone else has said if/when you get questioned, you don't know anything about it, you were visiting so and so at the time. Something has to be done before someone is killed and I bet we see that within 12 months, we have had enough. .
AND the rioter said to the Old Baily Judge "What am I doing in the Criminal Court? OK I broke into the shop but I took nuffin so its a Civil matter innit?". Well Mr Plod what about breaking and entering with intent to steal? Criminal Damage? The moment these `burglars` switch on a light, light a gas cooker, or use the property without paying council tax they are guilty of theft.----------- Just me posts:- -""Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26"" Thanks & sorry. I only came to your comments after I had drafted mine . . .
As a landlord I have always said that if this happened to me I would go to the house and start to undertake a few 'essential' repairs such as replacing the doors and windows - let the police arrest me I am sure the following outcry from ENGLISH people would sway someone to do something pronto. Plan B get a load of manure delivered to the doorstep - literally - and start to give the garden makeover or in the case of your property get someone to did up the concrete. Plan C call in some X military friends who have solved this problem in the past. Also you say they broke in through the back door - surely a criminal offence and for that matter so is nicking a shopping trolley - get the supermarket to prosecute. Thoughts and prayers are with you.
I expect most of those people in her house are illegals anyway and need deporting. If it was my house I would have the electricaity disconnected and I would find a few big men to help me get them out!! How dare they come here and do such a thing they have no right they ause upset and distress.
If we are supposed to be a modern society why is it that we cannot respond to blatant law breaking. Im embarrassed to be british right now, sorry, forget the right now part. There has been nothing in the last 10 years that makes me proud. And dont say the olympic, i couldnt give a monkeys about them. The UK is lost.
need to evict and deport them now before that baby drops !! the law is useless , they broke in the door wasnt open its obvious ... the law should be changed with immediate effect , also waving a piece of paper without the real owners name and address , a fake agreement is fraud isn't it ? therefore a criminal offence , i live in walthamsotw and its getting worse , i advise people to have a dead lock fitted this way they have to damage the door to get it open and change the lock therefore evidence of a break in
When did the law change, is breaking and entering no longer an offence, or does this offence only apply to certain people ? Are we to believe that for homeowners the deeds of ownership are worthless, and for council owned properties, anyone can force their way into a home whilst the tenants are out are out, and make use of home contents ? Is this report revealing all true facts ? if so, what is happening to this country, when tax paying citizens are locked out of their own homes, so that wastrels can warm their hands by the fire, as the owners can only peer through the window ? If squatting is to be entered into law as a criminal offence, it is about time too ! How many times must the sitting government be told by the public,that they will not be denied housing, so that some (not all) immigrant families can walk right in and cherry pick ?
Why the hell did Britain even bother fighting Hitler. hereward, copenhagen, denmark, 18/1/2012 7:43 Because Hitler said he would invade britain,murder the intelligentsia and reduce britain to a slave labour camp.That's why we bothered fighting. Unlike Denmark!
These parasites have forced entry into the house with the intention of depriving the owner of the use of her property. They are trespassers, and if they are using the electricity, that is not paid for by themselves, there is a criminal offence of abstracting electricity. It seems that these days the police do very little real police work, they are a disgrace. Mr Cameron or should he be called 'Gunner' as that is what he is always doing, I am gunner do this or that, but nothing gets done. Well he was going to repeal the ancient Squatters Right Laws, although breaking into a property does not allow a person or persons to claim Squatters Rights. They can only enter an insecure, obviously abandoned property to claim the rights. You would see some action from the police, if the property belonged to a celebrity or MP. It is getting to the stage that we will not dare to leave our homes for fear of someone moving in. The influx of immigrants from all over the world beneficial ?
and now they can rent it to visitors for the olympics, and make a few bob, before being thrown out.
Long ago when I was around 10 years old, my newly married cousin arrived home from honeymoon to find squatters in his house. My father,uncles and older cousins (all 6ft +) gathered together to remove them - yes even back then the Police would not do anything about the matter and left the scene. The rear kitchen window was broken and a rather large German shepherd guard dog encouraged to enter, the squatters fled by the front door rather quickly into the arms of my very angry family, job done..................................... What would the chances be of repeating this today and getting away with it I wonder???? the PC brigade would go into overdrive.
This country amazes me in its spinelessness. We kow-tow to all these European Rights laws and liberal ideas, and as such we are overrun by lowlife from other countries. Put our Armed Forces on our borders and stop ALL people coming in!!
If they broke into Buckingham Palace would it be a civil matter ?????????????????
I am so sorry for this woman it is just not fait they are not being exicted for breaking in, at this rate we will all be told to leave doors open in case any tom dick or harry fancy living in our home.
Disgusting. These people have no shame. I hope Mrs Mason can get them kicked out, asap.
The law is an ass, and we are bigger asses for putting up with it.
Only in the UK No other country would tolerate this
Let us all put up a web site advertising all the homes that are vacant that are owned by our esteemed M.Ps and judges and lawyers and local council reps. I think a law change would happen very quickly.
'The salt in the wound is that I even have to pay for the electricity they use while they are in there.Â’=====================Do you? Surely if you inform the electricity, gas and water board that you are no longer living there they will cut the supply? Check the wording thou - YOU are not living there any longer. Failing that, as others have said it would be cheaper to hire a few burly men, wait until the majority of them are out and kick the door in and throw them out. The government know this is going on but do nothing about it. Something has got to be sorted out. And how did the squatters know this property was empty? Somebody has told them. Find the source and deal with them as well. .
It would take less than one afternoon of parliamentary time to make this illegal, but one thing you can be absolutely sure of: this government, for some unknown reason, will continue to ignore it.
Surely if they actually paid £2000 to somebody, then an some kind of fraud/deception offence had been committed. Which should be investigated. And if they made it them selves surely the same applys. This country really is a joke.
There were in fact several laws broken here like breaking and entering, crimminal damage (locks changed), deception (forged tenancy agreement), theft of electricty/gas. Now make the police and benifits agencies work for you Mr Mason. As a landlord you have a right of entry, ensure the police enforce that right every few days, get the utilities to change the meters to pay as you go with police back up to gain entry. Make sure the job centre advises the occupants on how to get their rent paid and ensure you get the money direct from them. Ask the police to positively identify the occupants due to your concerns regarding a possible terror threat.
When are we going to start throwing these people out, not only houses they break into but out of the country? Is it any wonder they come to the UK where they are allowed to do as they wish and trample over the rights of UK citizens?
I thought you could kill anyone entering your home uninvited with criminal intent.
Issue a summons for possession in the local court, and when the order has been granted, send in the bailiffs. It will not cost "thousands of pounds", the main problem will be getting an early hearing date.
Squatters rights serve only one purpose .--- To make money for lawyers . British justice is the laughing stock of the world & will continue until we ban lawyers from being MPs. --- Conflict of interest
Mr and Mrs Mason, GET THE GAS,ELECTIC AND WATER CUTT OFF !!!! See how long they stay in your house then. Good luck.
So breaking and entering is now a civil matter? Let's sack the police they are a waste of space.
Exactly what evidence do the police need to show that a criminal offence has been committed? Surely the police could arrest the squatters on suspicion of breaking and entering or for conspiracy to commit a crime as they will no doubt be in cahoots with the person they pay rent to. When they are all helping the police with their enquiries down at the local nick the house could be mysteriously repossessed by the owners. Let's then see what these scum they could do about this - not a lot in my opinion.
Time to emigrate people! this country is finished, we are a laughing stock. A Danish national points as much out on this forum. I am 41 and things are not going to change in my lifetime. In U.S.A. children are taught respect and seeds are sown early on, pledging allegiance to the flag is not an option for anyone at the beginning of class, here we would be accused of upsetting some minority group and assaulting their human rights. Remember the furore over the Union Jack following the World Cup? This little issue is probably the Governments way of dealing with the housing crisis - invite them in - pay for them - let them take what we have worked for all our lives. Maybe this couple should look to Sharia law to remove the sqatters. It was featured on BBC Breakfast just recently. I have no issues with immigrants as long as they are prepared to adopt our lifestyle and culture and be financially independant, this Government encourages anything but. Foreign medical staff have no English....
A policeman once told me they can't do anything if someone walks into your house, it's only when they steal something that it becomes a criminal matter. He gave the example of should the people switch on the lights, then that would be classed as theft of electricity and the police would be able to act. Perhaps this couple could go down the route?
What are the police turning into in this country? A bunch of spineless jobsworths following stupid rules made up by inept civil servants. Breaking and entering is a criminal offence, not a civil one, so why can't they act? If I were the owner I'd be straight on to the electricity, gas and water suppliers and get them shut off. I begin to despair of this country.
Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26..........................They drill out the locks, then replace them - when the police arrive there is no damage present so they are powerless to act - welcome to England.
Mr. Cameron, do you realise how many Brownie points you would get if you changed the law and criminalised these actions?
These scum are just burglars who break in and make themselves comfortable. Time to rush a change of law through to deal with these leeches,
Civil matter! I bet if I broke into a Moldovan house and stayed the police would have something to say! What exactly does our governemnt do, except witter on about schools and hospitals 24/7? There are so many reforms needed that would help the British people, but tthen I guess we come at the bottom of the government's pecking order. More foreign aid anyone...
The law disgusts me at times. Have these squatters even been checked out to see if they are here legally? Just disgusting
The law is an ass! So I am not allowed to go into someone's house, steal something and leave, but I AM allowed to go in and live there? In which case, I think I'm off to one of those nice houses in Holland Park.
Will somebody please inform the police that the Government recently made squatting a criminal offence, it is no long just a civil offence.
Whatever happened to trespassing? Even if they didn't actually break in, they are still trespassing! What would happen if squatters got into the house of, for arguments sake, David Cameron?? Would they just accept that it is a civil matter? Doubt it somehow! Its disgusting that they can get away with it. Dirty scroungers!
The police cannot act because it is a 'Civil Matter'? 'What happened to the law of, 'Breaking and Entering'? Is it not against the law any longer to walk up to someones property and smash the lock or break a window to gain entry? This part of the law has been turned into an absolute joke! Bit like the Yuman Rights Act I suppose, a situation where there is only two winners; those carrying out the acts and the legal mafia feeding off their illegal acts! I just wonder some times how the members of the legal mafia would react if it was one of their properties that was being invaded and destroyed?
A Country on a ticking timebomb just waiting for the British public to wake up and smell the coffee. It will be no surprise to see society in civil war with society broken down in the not too distant future - with our so called 'evil' polititions justified!
This is what a country can expect when it has for years voted for such easy going, ill thought out immigration and benefit laws, allied to a 'culture' of rewarding failure and criminality and of further tying hands with the coup de grace of a threat of prosecution for racism. Doubtless the 'heavily pregnant' squatter will soon be in receipt of the full benefits offer funded by taxpayers like the one whose home she invaded. However, the DM has gone over the top with useless adjectives such as 'heart breaking' etc. The decision to sell was what the vendor (who lives in the currently more salubrious area of Epping) doubtless thought was a sound commercial decision beneficial to her and possible because of inherited assets.
Finn of Denmark....you are 100% TOTALLY right, so simple so obvious but all too darn late
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force. ------- Just before the next general election as a "promise" if the Tories get re-elected. Probably that old gem "referendum on leaving the EU" will also rear its head again at the same time.
its your house go to it put the windows,get power and water cut off and make sure the heating oil is cut off it will be cheaper than legal fees
Surely if the Moldovan's broke in through the back door then its a criminal matter? What about this home owners HUMAN RIGHTS? Oh I forgot.... she is British so she has none.
Give them a break !! Their obviously desperate..
You stupid stupid brits. No wonder the world is laughing at you.
this country has become a lawless state where foreigners can do what they like and our spineless government will do nothing to correct this obscenity
Only in the twisted UK could you get away with doing this. Forced entry is burglary and the last time I looked that wasn't a civil matter. Either send in a few heavies to reclaim your property or contact the electric, gas and water and tell them to disconnect the supplies and not to reconnect to anyone other than yourself. Surely that is the way to go
Dont you just love this country ?
If they broke in, it's a crime. Every day that passes there's something else to make me despair at what's happening to this country.
If they had top quality anti-bump locks and a 5 lever mortice locks fitted then this would not happen, most door locks fitted are useless as they can be opened very easily by bumping. Spend some money and get new locks then they cannot get in to replace them when will people learn.
WHAT GIVES THESE EASTERN EUOPEANS THE RIGHT TO BREAK INTO ENGLISH PEOPLES' HOMES. THE GOVERNMENT OF COURSE. THEY DO NOTHING AND HOW CAN IT BE A CIVIL MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE BLATENTLY BROKEN INTO THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS SIMPLY OUTRAGEOUS. THANKS AGAIN BLAIR FOR LETTING THE LIKES OF THESE SCUMBAGS INTO ENGLAND***********************************
I personally would baracade them in, turn off the electricity and gas and see how quickly they want to stay. I am sure they wouldn't last 8 mths.
Ow stories like this make my blood boil beyond belief!!! What have decent home owning people have no rights and yet scum like this have every right under the sun?! GRRRRRRRRRRRR This country is a joke. Squatting should NOT be a civil matter.......you squat you're prosecuted for breaking the law, end of!
Sorry but I thought Moldova wasn't in the EU. In which case why are these people even in the UK? Surely immigration officers should be sent in to detain these people pending removal back from whence they came.
So explain to me what happened a few months back when a woman from the Border Agency found that her house was being squatted in and she got a very fast Court Order and the the Police evicted the squatters next day (DM 17/8/11). It appears to me that there is a 2 tier law depending who you are and where you work.
pay for their electric? id cut the the b....y cable outside & smash the gas meter. how can this NOT be a civil matter? i dont like violence - but, i'm sure there are some out of work bouncers in the area!
They broke in.Thats a criminal offence not civil.Also change the law...thats what government is for!!
It is totally absurd that squatting is only a civil and not a criminal matter. It is high time that it was made a criminal offence. How can taking over someone else's property without their consent NOT be a crime?!
Our law is pathetic in these matters and always has been...Its a disgusting state of affairs when you could just go on holiday for instance and come home to find squatters in your home....Its a shame that this sort of thing doesnt happen to few MP's , judges and others in the legal profession, would be interesting to see how quickly things would change then...They should be forcibly removed straight away,no question...What is wrong with this bloody country no wonder people laugh at us... What mugs we all are
They BROKE in - breaking and entering is a CRIME. They have stolen use of the house, this is THEFT - another CRIME. It's time this stupid 'can't do anything because it is a civil matter' rule was scrapped and the whole kit and kaboodle of these trespassers were loaded on the next boat and shipped out. They are CRIMINALS, pure and simple.
Disgusting scum, I cannot believe the state this country is in. I feel for the homeowner.
What about the criminal offence of abstracting electricity ? Why was no action taken about that ? I would also suggest that changing the locks constitutes a criminal offence of damage. This situation is a joke and I truly feel for the owners. If I were in the same situation I would forcibly evict them myself and look forward to my day in court !
Why are the owners required to pay the electricity for the squatters. Start by going to the electric company and having it turned off, and the water too. Move into the house and make the life of the squatters hell. Loud music, bring in your friends, party all night, trash their furniture and throw out their belongings. Two can play at that game.
Come on government, speed this process up. Its a charter for abuse. Get these freeloaders out and send them back to Moldova. There is something so corrupt about this it stinks!
My advice, forget the court and pay a few skinheads or Hells Angels to clear your house. Otherwise you will endure the HR fiasco and no support from the justice system
We have not been Great Britain for some years now - and it shows. What a shamble - and home owners (worked hard for) and allowed to protect their property. It would have been a different story had it been one of the Government homes/offices. So much for fairness for all in the UK. WHAT A LAUGH - it makes you want to cry!
Dear Lady, Simple, get yourself a lawyer and sue the police under European Human Rights Act, Part II, The First Protocol Article 1, Protection of property: "Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law."
Broke in through the back door?????? So glad i left the UK, i loved it too much to watch it go down the drain.
Charge them with stealing the door locks and if they can produce them, you'll probably find one broken, which would indicate breaking in, not a civil matter.
Why are our MPs not sorting this out - pass the bill NOW! Disgusting.
i would sooner set light to the house than let this rubbish live there and to hell with the consequences who cares about the law in a case like this.
I would have the water , gas and electricy cut off ,that would soon shift them . Why does the law of the land ALWAYS protect the wrong people.
whatever way you look at it , it is wrong !!! civil matter , rubbish , it is theft !!! breaking and entering , an invasion of privacy , any of the fore mentioned they do not own the property , they are tresspassing , tand hey have damaged it firstly by changing the locks !!!
The police are both wrong and utterly useless, First it is reported the squatters FORCED entrance into the house via the rear door that is BURGLARY, A bogus tenancy agreement is FRAUD, Then by refusing to leave PEOPERTY BELONG TO ANOTHER it is TRESPASS, and a BREACH OF THE PEACE. Then they could PREVENT FURTHER OFFENCEs such as criminal damage by simply doing the job they are supposed to. What are the police for if not to protect the public and their property?
Door Mat Britain yet again. Time to take out the trash.
The law is powerless when the property was broken in to, but more than happy to stand up when the victim fights back with their own force! CHANGE THE LAW NOW TO STOP SCUM LIKE THIS RUINING PEOPLES LIVES!
Why do they have to pay for their electricity - i would cut it off
An Englishman's home is his Castle! Yeah right - but only if you are rich enough to afford a Castle. This Country is a Joke - I'm English, but I hate the place.
When will a law be passed to make this a criminal offence? They clearly broke the law by breaking in so why can't they be arrested for that? This squatters right started during the war when people who were bombed out could look for an empty property to live in until they could be rehoused. It's time it was criminalised and quick.
The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know?
Does the ethnicity of the squatters matter?
They broke in, that is a criminal matter. What's gone wrong with our police force? It seems to be staffed with wimps.
Breaking and entering is a crime so why are these people allowed to do this, they are stealing electricity and gas and water another crime why don't the companies involved turn it off , it is such a silly situation, these people have broken the law, arrest and deal with them , if they have got a tenancy agreement then the police should check it all out and they will soon see who has the deeds to this house, job done, kick them out and out of this country backward people. stop mucking around i know the law is the law but if you are giving out tenancy agreements you should also have the deeds and how long would it take to check the land registry records , not long i would presume, if the police want to know something they usually find out stuff pretty quick
Leaving houses empty should be a criminal offence.
Surely this is at the very least trespassing? The police really are a joke.
Breaking and entering is a crime so why are these people allowed to do this, they are stealing electricity and gas and water another crime why don't the companies involved turn it off , it is such a silly situation, these people have broken the law, arrest and deal with them , if they have got a tenancy agreement then the police should check it all out and they will soon see who has the deeds to this house, job done, kick them out and out of this country backward people. stop mucking around i know the law is the law but if you are giving out tenancy agreements you should also have the deeds and how long would it take to check the land registry records , not long i would presume, if the police want to know something they usually find out stuff pretty quick
Interesting that there are plenty of legal specialists to advise and protect these people who 'legally' invade your home and property but nothing to protect the home owner.
Never leave a house empty the way the law stands. Get a friend to housesit if you have to, but never leave it empty, even if you go away on holiday, the risk now is just too great. It seems obvious to me that some criminal types in Eastern Europe have obviously all told each other that there is a loophole in the law in the UK, they produce a forged tenancy agreement and then the police say they can't do anything! Until this loophole is closed, you simply cannot leave a house empty. I'd even be worried about going out to work and leaving it empty, it's getting that bad...
What happened to the law of trespass, criminal damage has been has been committed by breaking down a door, thus trespass. If this is allowed to happen it will 'open door' for all squatters.
Im sure if they broke into a police officers or MPS house they would soon be evicted, the laws an ass.. If the Human Rights squad think its ok to break into someone elses home why dont they have the low lives go live with them, see how they like it.
May be the Police officers who attended need to learn the definition of BURGLARY.. Enters a property with the intension to steal anything therein,, assault any person therein and so on. OR having entered a premises as a trespaser steals any thing therein.. They are using the electricty, water and gas if the have the supply. using water and electricity without payment is theft so therefore the full arrestable offence.. LOCK THEM UP
someone clear this up for me as I do not know how it works - there are no squatters rights in scotland, it is a criminial offence and those who try it will be punished - why is it not like this in england/wales/ireland? who was it that agreed to squatters rights, i don't understand how it was ever legalised?
Breaking in to a property is called burglary,using the gas,electricity and water is called theft. If the police think this is ok,then none of us are safe. Coppers only want jobs that generate fines and keep the paperwork down. They are NOT fit for purpose . Put the police officers addresses on the internet and let these wasters have their homes..We would soon see a change in the definition of squating.
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter?
Once again, time to get tough. Once they are out get them out of the country. If they can invade someone's private home, which has been worked and paid for, they don't deserve to be here at all. No respect, deserves no respect.
I left the East End because of people like this and exactly whose side the law is on
No doubt they are on hundreds a week Benefits, and so you can do nothing when a burglar breaks in?
solution get all the water electric gas turned off,,,,, arrest & deport these feckless people !
Cameron - FIX BRITAIN NOW and stop worrying about airports in the Thames or high speed lines. It is issues like this that Britain needs sorting first.
If they 'broke in' the police could have arrested them all to investigate the resulting criminal damage, during which time Janice Mason would have been able to retake possession of her house. Breaking into a building is not a civil matter! Its high time the law was refocused on the victim NOT the wrong doer.
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
Move back in house with all the hefty noisy people I know. Borrow 3 big dogs, a massive sound system, invites on Facebook, remove all furniture and make their life utter hell. If they broke in that is a criminal offence - the police can be so ineffective it is a joke. They have power of arrest and they need to use it.
What a compete and utter joke this is! WHO MAKES THE RULES UP?? HOW CAN A FOREIGN IMMIGRANT HAVE MORE POWER IN YOUR HOUSE THAN YOU DO?? THE WHOLE COUNTRY NEEDS TO GO TO THE STREETS IN PROTEST ON THINGS LIKE THIS AND THE RISE IN FUEL, GAS, ELECTRIC COST! If every person in the UK refused to go to work or to fuel their car for just 1 week , the country would go bankrupt!
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
ha ha ha ha ha am laughing at the Brits...why? I used to think your law is great...but I can see some loop holes and that's what people use against you people....The DM will keep complaining of squatters and Immigrants but until there is a law...more is coming...I pity the couple...worse do these squatters work? why does this couple have to pay electricity and water for them...its really sad
Break in = crime. Is that waht the squatters did? The maths is simple then. Coppers + truncheons = empty house.
When my son was in his teens, he and some friends entered an abandoned (condemned) empty building and 'squatted' - the door was already broken in. The police came in riot gear, they was led off in handcuffs, held overnight in a cell and charged with the theft of electricity. Quite right too. Now had they been Moldovan...........
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
This is a disgrace, Check out the Epetition on the HM Governement website "squatters in a property", sign it and lets try and get this ridiculous law changed!!!
Charge them with breaking and entering and criminal damage to property (they have changed the locks), theft (where are the original locks) obtaining goods by deception (bogus rent agreement) and anything else that can be thought of. Otherwise these people will be down the benefits office on Monday.
Why doesn't a group of people squat in Cameron's house or the Queen's?
If someone tried that in my house they would be out sharpish and blow the consequences
I thought that dozy Dave was going to stop all this. Politicians are useless!!
It is about time the people of England demanded a change in tne law. Perhaps you would be better off under Scots law as here squatting is illegal.
Sorry, but I would have to take the law into my own hands.Fine if i go to jail,but I'v got my house back.Who the hell do they think they are.Try doing this to them.Low life scum.Send the whole lot back.
Since when was breaking and entering a civil matter????
Just what are the police doing? Moldova is not a member of the EU, so there is no reason why the police should not harass them to see if they are working (lets face it, we all know they are begging), and the mere possession of the shopping trolley renders the person pushing it to being questioned about theft of a shopping trolley. Its fairly obvious that the police simply can't be interested and would rather spend time manning speed cameras to 'crack down on crime'.
The law on this will be changed as quick as a flash, the second squatters move into an MP's second home........
"The squatters were seen using a shopping trolley to help move in mattresses, folding chairs and a table" At the very least the police could have charged them with stealing a shopping trolley. Nobody buys a shopping trolley which remains in the ownership of whatever supermarket it was taken from. It isn't that the police CAN'T act, it is simply the case they choose not to do so. You can bet that if I walk into my neighbour's home while he is out and then waive a forged 'tenancy agreement' in his face when he returns home, the police would take action!
I bet if it was a council owned property they would be out quick as a flash..............................
WHERE'S THE EXIT????? - I WANNA GET OUT OF THIS NIGHTMARE THAT IS FORMERLY 'GREAT BRITAIN'!!!!!!!!
This country is an absolute joke, these people should be forced out of the propert ASAP.
Steal someone's house and the police can't touch you. Break an American law in the UK and face extradition......
They seem to be keeping the place neat and tidy, dont see what the fuss is about.
Still don't get this British Law and have commented as such everytime I see a story about squatters. I have a home, I say who stays in it and who doesnt, I didn't sign an agreement with people so I have the right to have them booted out...isnt this case that simple?? Or am I missing something??
So, If I were to break into a car, and change the locks, that woudl be perfectly legal, and would be a civil matter? If I were to nick your wallet, and put my ID in there, that woudl be a civil matter? it all amounts to the same thing. It is theft at the most, fraud at the least. This is a criminal matter, regardless of what the law says. Once again the law (not police, but the law of the 'land (what a joke that is)) is on the side of the criminals.
I would call the gas and electricity company and have the amenities shut off. They are not their tennants, they are not family. Just stop paying!!
In the above case, you'd think there'd be several issues which should bring about a speedy resolution. They had a buyer, a legal process demonstrating good faith. The Moldovans have a "document" validating their tenancy (easily obtained) from someone nobody can find. Hardly. How could they pay their rent? In any case, £2000 would hardly pay for more than about three month's rent, so that should put a time limit on it if the onus is on the "tenants" to produce the landlord + contract etc. And how about awarding legal costs (including their legal aid) against the squatters when they're evicted - which they always are after a long and costly process? They won't pay, of course, but it'd put off their legal representatives since it's a civil matter. If it's a council / housing assoc./developer property left to rot for years, then frankly I think the law should favour the squatters - there should be no excuse for this. No point just bleating about stealing, though.
Someone steals your home and that's not illegal. The laws of this country are totally insane.
If this is the law then the law is an ass. This law must be reviewed and changed to protect people like this. Why is our so called justice system more concerned with vermin's rights than ordinatry law abiding people?
They all claiming benefit too..... oh yes, probably as its against their human rights to not.
Do you hear that..................it's the world laughing at us.
if i was the Masons i would cut the electricity off, surely if they have a tenant agreement which is proberbly false that they should be paying the electric. Cut it all of Mr and Mrs Mason. The government needs to sort this out once and for all as it is happening to many times to hard working Brits.
Sounds like breaking and entering if there is forced entry. Police would rather do nothing because they are rubbish. Squatting should be outlawed, its an old law that gives people a right over property they do not own. Theft is another word for it. No doubt they will now claim all the benefits under the planet and stay until evicted in about 2 years. Poor sod.
Can't believe that all you need is a false agreement in your hand, and you can then bust into anyone's house and occupy it, for free for eight months. Can't be right, surly if the squatters can't prove the worth of the lease with the owner, then the police should return the property to the owner.
For God's sake Dave, get this sorted, we are fed up to the back teeth of these free-loading squatters. Maybe a few need to get into No 10, that would get some ACTION !!!!!
If it had been one of Blair's houses the law would have been round in a flash to throw them out.
The law, in this case, is an ass! What happened to an Englishman's home being his castle? Why can't these people be evicted easily? Could the gas/electricity not be cut off? I would be tempted to fight like with like, break down the door and send the heavies in to turf them out! It's disgusting that this type of scum are protected by the law!
I would be in there with a hired gang of thugs...removal time.. balaclava on heads, no words...just a baseball bat and an evil smirk...lot cheaper in the long run.. And when the police turn up, a new set of squaters are in there...YOU..!
Please explain to me what the difference between a burglar and a squatter are.
are these cases for real ? surely if these people are stealing houses,they should be immediately deported , this also includes the woman who is selling the big issue,who has no work and no home who has entered the country, can anyone in government clarify this is being done ? If they are real cases then i fear we will soon have outright anarchy in this country. How can they ask us to cut back and work an extra year to boot for our pensions,if these things are being allowed.
Civil matter be dammed, they broke in. In my eyes as a wife of a retired police officer, if the Moldovian family had to break in - it's criminal damage, so therefore it is not a a civil matter but a criminal matter. I suggest The Masons get themselves not only legal representation but governmental - MP's need to get their selves behind genuine legal abiding citizens The Police also need to stop hiding behind Squatter's Rights and do their jobs, arrest them and clear them off the premises.. I'm sure there must be support for The Masons within the community - let them speak and get suppor for Mr & Mrs Mason.
What do you mean its a civil matter? They illegally broke into a locked house thats a criminal matter," breaking and entering" for the Police to deal with and arrest them or throw them out. . Whats wrong with this country? Its run by imbeciles.
Isn't our country, and everything in it, nothing but a complete total and utter mess? God help us.
One day a home owner will take the law into their own hands and evict such people with the help of a few strong men. It'll happen sooner or later so its better a new law is passed before someone gets hurt.
Every time I read about these incidents I can't stop laughing. You Brits are... ehh... nevermind... but change the law... what purpose does this law suit? Except from these lowlife invaders who should never have been allowed into your otherwise fine country in the first place!
hate this country, whats going on how can the law not help, lets all go and move into buckingham palace,
When you break into someone's house, it's a civil matter??
Civil matter?! I wonder what would happen if these nice people sent some friends round to remove them? Get arrested probably!!! What a joke!
it could only be breaking and entering if it could proven. In this case, they've replaced the locks and I bet there is no damage to the doors/frames.
At the very least the police should have arrested the squatters for the theft of the shopping trolley!
Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify.
I wouldn't bother with the police or the justice system they wonÂ’t help. Get a few of the lads rounds oik the squatters out and stay there until you make the sale. May not be legal but I guarantee it will work and if the law doesn't like it TOUGH. When they try and prosecute you all you have to remember is YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS and the people who kicked them out,well they were just people you met in the pub No names No pack drill
And whats the betting that when they do eventually take repossession of the property it has been damaged and like a pigstye. And unlike a paying tenant will not be made to pay for it. a Sorry, I would have the electricity and gas cut off. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. I have every sympathy for Mrs. Mason. Why on earth are the government dragging their heels over the issue of squatters. Like everything else in this country it takes months and sometimes years to right an injustice.
the British law that protects these squatters is so bizarre... so outrageous... so infuriating! It makes me upset! I don't comprehend it!!!
I'm afraid if the police won't help then matters need taking in hand. Never mind how you do it. You only need to impress how you feel to the man in charge. Tactfully, passively, explain consequences if they refuse to leave. Then just get on with it. Even if it costs you - it will save you eight months loss of income and expenses that these squatters incur. And don't hang about!
I'd go to plan 'B' if the law did nothing to evict them..I'll let you hazard a guess as to what that would be..!!
They BROKE in via the back door that is a criminal offence. The, I do not want to get involved police, should deal with ejecting these criminals.
Lots of sites telling you how to squat - here's one. Note the law in Scotland is different, as usual. http://www.urban75.com/Action/squat.html It makes one rather nervous about leaving the house even to go on holiday, but I think the property may have to be empty, surely? The website above seems to encourage people to be "good" sqatters - immediately repair any damage from previous occupants, suggest to owners that you are" security" etc. The problem is that we have so many empty houses - many owned by councils etc., which won't pay up to put them in order for tenants, or where landlords are waiting for a better house market to sell. It's hard to see how to frame a law which would protect owners of temporarily unoccupied property whilst discouraging the accumulation by some of much-needed housing resources for speculative purposes. I think immediately changing the locks, which they all do, could legally be regarded of proof of non-authorised occupationin all cases.
This is a crime in Scotland. What is wrong with the English legal system that they allow squatters to get away with this?
Turn off the heating and electricity!! That will get them out!! This squatting nonsense makes me so angry. Why are we such a country of push overs??! This is breaking and entering!!
it is almost like the police endorse this sort of behaviour Where are our human rights???? Maybe we should take this to the European courts
So breaking and entering is not a crime but a civil matter! whether they are squatters or not they still broke in and it is a crime for the police to sort out. Instead of laying off another 4500 military I see a few worthless police officers that we could lay off.
So if I break into a house and stay there it is regarded by the police as a civil matter, but if I run off it's a criminal matter? And that if my car is stolen and re-registered by a criminal it can also regarded as a civil matter? I think it is high time that the police in the UK are investigated as to why they pick and choose what they regard as civil as opposed to criminal acts.
If someone did this in MY house and the police refused to do anything about it I would gain entry and throw these scumbags out!! If they're not breaking the law by breaking in and living in MY house surely I wouldn't be by evicting these crimials?!!
Bloody stupid, my blood boils!
Nice to know one's Country stands up for you in times of crisis.
I'd rather burn my house to the ground than let these people stay there! How frustrating for the couple.
Well Clarke, and the Coalition, sort ya self out listen to the people that may keep you there in the next election.. pull ya fingers out WE are NOT HAPPY
I know what I would do in this situation. They are the one's committing the offence.
When scum like this are told what they can get away with in the UK by their loathsome legal advisers they must shake their heads in utter amazement at our stupidity. How much longer ?
Beautiful house, I hope the owner gets it back in the condition it was in prior to the squatters moving in - but I doubt it.
WTH?! Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace! - PJ , Friday Harbor WA, 18/1/2012 01:27 No not the whole of the UK. The law is different in Scotland, where it is considered a criminal matter, so the police can remove "squatters" immediately. The law in England and Wales really does need to be amended to prevent this type of situation.
So breaking and entering is now a civil matter??? Who on earth came up with laws to protect squatters?
A similar thing used to happen in the inner city areas of Johannesburg; gangs would occupy buildings and the police would stand by and do nothing. But the law changed and now these criminals are charged with theft and trespass. It has put a stop to illegal an opportunistic occupations. What these people are doing is theft, and therefore a criminal matter.
Moldova is not a member of the EU. How do these people get visas to stay in the UK. I don't understand how the taxpayer can fund all this . The system Must be at breaking point.
Isn't breaking and entering a crime?
How can it be a civil matter these scumbags BROKE in through the back door, this country has gone crazy, break in yourself and kick them out
Beyond belief, working,paying your taxes and abiding by the law mean nothing nowadays. There are a lot of laws that have to be changed and quickly. The policitians and judiciary are so far removed from reality it isn't funny. I blame Tony Blair for his Human Rights policies. He's sitting pretty, but what about everyone else
Ken Clarke has a nice house-get my drift?
And these scum are the future of Britain. God help us all!
NO!!! If they broke in they can be prosecuted.
If I were to so much as nick that shopping trolley i'd probably cop for it, yet these people get away with breaking and entering while the police look the other way!!! As for the government, for what good the last election's done, we may as well just have left Labour to finish what they started. My heart goes out to Mr and Mrs Mason.
Why is the Owner not contacting the Utility companies and having the water, gas and electricity disconnected? Or am I missing something?
If they took the law into their own hands, the police would be round there so fast. It seems in this country that you have to just lay down and let them walk all over you.Why cannot those pathetic MPs make it so that when a theif breaks into your house, steals your space, electric,water, amenities, they can remove them. A property like that to rent in Walthamstow would be about £900-£1,000 a month. Make them pay that in rent.
Broke in through the back door? That means criminal damage, no matter if it is repaired. Then unlawful abstraction of electricity. 2 criminal offences then. You could argue that changing the locks is theft of the original locks. That means the adults can all be arrested on suspicion of those offences, then the kids would have to be taken into care. That leaves the house empty so the owners can go back in and clear it.
Gt britain R.I.P.
How can it be a civil matter when they broke in and have taken possession of someone else's property !
To William - a revolution can only come in the ballot box. If people stopped voting for the three main then things would change. voting UKIP next time.
So this is not a criminal offense? Well I would have thought that the moment they switch on anything electrical or run a tap then, because the rightful owner is paying the bills, they are guilty of theft & the police should take the appropriate action
God! The lot that organised these laws would have let the Germans in in 1939, believing they had "squatters rights" as well! Time to change the law? That was years ago!
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point. - Dan Miller, Rip of Britain, 18/1/2012 01:24 YES AND WE'RE AT IT !!
I am sick to the back teeth of reading and hearing about incidents like this. We are the most tolerant country in the world but these parasites and thousands like them really are taking us for dummies, We are a laughing stock, Dustbin of the world. For Christs sake Cameron get this country sorted because I can honestly say that the ways things are going sometime in the near future neither Conservative, Labour or Lib Dems will get in power. The main three parties have had their chance and screwed up.Watch this space!.
If the minister has the minimum intelligence required to make it criminal to squatter, they must bring the law into force immediately. The police in the UK should be there protecting home owners.
Get the electric switched off.
Hang on a minute, what the hell happened to illegal entry, breaking and entering and the trespass laws? or is that not P.C.?
Where in the EU or the Commonwealth is Moldovia? How are these people allowed to stay in this country? If they were Brits in Moldovia, the local police would have not have second thoughts about smacking a few heads and deporting them. There again they would more likely take a bribe.
Mrs. Mason has to "tpay for the electricity they use while they are in there.Â’? Stop paying and ask the company to cut the supply off!!! That might shift these low lifes on.
Oh! I know now what to do! I'll go to UK and viola! I have a new home! sweet! Not!
I never cease to be amazed at how much cr*p the great British public are prepared to take. I guess I should be proud of us?
Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter.........What a pathetic state of affairs, surely they were breaking and entering? Get your a**s in gear Cameron and do something for the UK people. This law could be changed in weeks, what's the reason for not changing it, for the life of me I can't see one.
"the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door". Surely that's case closed? Breaking and entering, pure and simple. Where in the world do you have to go to get justice?
So they broke in? Isn't that breaking and entering? The police in this country are completely and utterly useless, and the so called justice system run by that buffoon Ken Clarke is like something out of a cartoon sketch. When will we get a leader in no 10 who will stand up for hard working families rather than dither and suck up to human rights rabble.
Just throw this worthless pack or tripe onto the street..They have no right entry..Moldovia is NOT part of the EUSSR...they are illegal immigrants...Oh..and I always thought that breaking a locked door to gain access to a property was burglary..It would appear not to be a crime anymore..according to our increasingly useless police farce..or Keystone Cops to give them their correct title...I feel sure though,that had this house belonged to one of our elected MPs or pantomime dame..those self same Moldovan criminals would have been thrown out of the peoperty double quick time..and charged with a freshly discovered crime of burglary ..By the way..all you burglars can now break into home with complete impunity..If the Keystone Cops come along..just tell them you are squatting..it seems then you can come and go as you please...Just remember all of this at the next election..Your MPs have consigned you to second class subjects..NOT citizens..
This is ridiculous, I think I would have to take the law into my own hands if this ever happened to us and fight the consequences all the way.
The joys of being in the EU.
I always thought breaking and entering was a crime. Does this mean that any burglar caught inside a property can claim he's squatting and the police won't do anything? Ridiculous!!
Come on everyone, booo hooo, let's be collectively upset then go about our business and forget about it. After all, it's not happening to us.
And we wonder why so many children are growing up with no respect - when the law does nt even respect us and our property. It s a disgrace and makes us a laughing stock and easy touch for these criminals I suppose the poor woman has to respect their human rights!!!! How come only GB has these ridiculous laws - was nt it Mrs Blair who oversaw and passed a lot of these??? wonder how she d feel if happened in one of her many homes!!!!.
If this "Sharon Wright" has no legal entitlement to the property how can a "Tenancy Agreement" signed by her have any legality? There is fraud involved here which is NOT a civil matter. AND the squatters actually committed the offence of "Breaking & Entering" when they forced the back door. Are the Police useless, or what?
Typical that the governing parties had 13 years to "think" about a policy. Now the arch clown Clarke is proposing something. I await the consultative green paper followed by a Royal Commission followed by a Lords refusal and the Parliamentary Session ending with absolutely bugger all being done. And politicians wonder why they are held in contempt by the public.
I understand the law is an ass and it may be a civil matter - but why are they liable for the electricity bills? Crazy situation all round - just mental.
Time this law is changed. People work hard for their homes - note the word 'their' homes - therefore NOT the home of anybody else whether they are living in it or not. Look at them, sitting in the lounge with the telly on!!!!!! What a f***ing liberty as Nan Taylor would say. Get the power, water etc turned off. Haven't they heard that as they are foreign they would get housing, etc courtesy of the british tax payer?
Cameron promised laws on squatting- not delivered. Laws on wheel clamping- not delivered. Action on the Human Roghts Act- not delivered. Action on immigration- not delivred. Action on....... well you get the picture. Action- now- please.
Only in this pathetically unbalanced UK society can this happen. I know I wouldnt call the police,I would get a 'few good men' and sort them out myself-there are ways and means to get rid of parasites like this. Ten months to get them out??Just gives them more time to find another briefly empty place..to strip and ruin.
They broke in! Throw them out! Then, throw them out of the country! Why the hell did Britain even bother fighting Hitler when stupid non-laws like this exist and weak politicians won't pull their fingers out and FIX IT??!!!
They broke in and entered, these are not squatters they are burglars. Get your electric disconnected and then get some of your friends and family to break in to YOUR home and take it back. It is YOUR castle, not theirs. Kick them out and then let them take you to court.
Dont forget folks its their yuman rites to occupy this empty property in order to keep their family together. Being foreign of course. Where I used to live the locals would get together and throw this lot out of the house and dump them miles away. Its taking the law into ones own hands but I think we are getting to the stage where the law is no longer protecting law abiding persons. So we have to do it ourselves. Its a lot more efficient that way.
About time the law was changed to stop this being a civil matter and tell me has that "tenancy agreement" been taken into the benefits office to claim housing benefit? Enough is enough!
They broke in!!! remove them - send them back and show soem bloody backbone! Can you imagine what would happen if British people did this in Moldova...for goodness sake we have to change the law to protect innocent people.
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point. - Dan Miller, Rip of Britain, 18/01/2012 01:24 You are so right mate!!! This stuff carries on without the government doing something about it and things are going to get ugly!!!!
As a suggestion for anyone in the same position as the couple above - get a house sitter in until the property is sold- there are websites for responsible housesitters that come with references. DO NOT leave your property unoccupied during this period, by that I mean not lived in. House-sitters will look after the house and also are responsible for paying their own utility bills and based on the fact it can take at least 3 months for a sale to complete it is a mutually beneficial arrangement and keeps squatters out!
We need to stop these rats coming in the country in the first place!!! Keep them out!!
As soon as we re-name this breaking and entering which is exactly what it is, they are not squatters, they have entered someones property illegally and our police should have the power to arrest and charge everyone of them and our judges should have the power to deport them and our government should grow a pair and sort this out now.
"Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace!" - PJ , Friday Harbor WA....In law, the police are absolutely correct - they are powerless in these circumstances thanks to the bright sparks in Parliament who decided that squatters should have rights. If the police forcibly eject them without a Court Order, they could sue the police for assault and claim thousands in compensation from the taxpayer. Re Buckingham Palace - firstly, they are never actually "unoccupied" and so there are no squatters rights; secondly I believe there is specific legislation covering Royal palaces.
If the Masons still officially own the house can they not cut off the electricity and gas supply?? Even the water?? Mr Cameron, something needs to be done about these ridiculous laws
Seemples--superglue the locks shut--end of occupation!
"You may be surprised to learn that squatting isn’t illegal in England and Wales. If someone gains entrance to a vacant property they don’t own without ‘breaking in’ and then decide to stay, then only a court order can get them out. Squatters cannot be forced out of a property without one. Also, until they have a court order, owners can’t force their way in while squatters are inside. In the meantime squatters can put their own locks on doors, have electricity, gas and water supplies connected and receive post. In England, the term squatting usually refers to occupying an empty house in a city. The owner of the house must go through various legal proceedings before evicting squatters. The process of eviction can take a month or longer, depending on circumstance. In order to occupy a house legally, a squatter must have exclusive access to that property, that is, be able to open and lock an entrance" The article says these people BROKE in via the back door so thus committed a crime!!!!
Also ask the police to positively identify the occupiers and check any vehicles they are driving for tax and insurance on the basis you "fear they may be a terror threat". If they refuse to provide ID on that basis the police can arrest them until they do. The vehicles of course can be siezed if uninsured, if insured find a way to notify the insurers that the owner is illegally occupying the property they must legally use to insure the vehicle if they are living there hence invalidating it and again allowing the police to sieze the vehicle. Make the police work for you.
as always plod will find a reason to do nothing.. wash their hands of it and walk away. plod you disgust me...............
You Brits are now so weak and pathetic!
I am sorry, but BREAKING into a property is certainly a crime and these parasites should be arrested.
I would personally get the services cut off to the property, by whatever means possible even if it meant physically breaking cables/pipes, thus meaning no water or electricity.. Then I would find very creative ways of making life extremely unpleasant, even if it involved a farmer, tractor and a ton or two of slurry. Why do we as tax paying English decent people put up with this. Why should this poor couple be subjected to this. I feel nothing but despair at the way this country is run. If I decided to take up residence in 10 Downing Street, would it be a civil matter? No I don't think so.
Can a spokesperson from the MET inform us how breaking and entering with witnesses is a civil matter?
This is disgusting and laws need to be brought in immediately to give police the power to remove them. Why do the owners have to pay for the electricity???
"Police said they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter" ------------- How can 'breaking and entering' be acivil matter? What is the difference between 'breaking and entering to steal ITEMS' and breaking and entering to steal a HOME'??????
Beats me why it is a legal matter and not criminal! These Moldavians (Moldavia is next to Romania) broke into the house and changed the locks. There should immediately be a move by Council / Police to remove these people and arrest the adults who broke in. Then deport them... is Moldavia part of the EU?
If they broke in , it has to be a criminal offence - sounds like a typical police cop out . Does anyone in Britain have any respect for the police ?
The Government could sort this problem out in 5 minutes by changing the law. If this happened at number 10 Downing Street then watch how fast it would be sorted out. Will the occupiers benefits be used to pay the rent to the invisible landlord ? No doubt they will pocket that as well.....Disgusting
Why does the owner have to pay fopr the utilities being used, surely thyey can have it cut off. Cut off the electricity and smash the glass in the windows, make it as uncomfortable for the thieving sqatters as possible. A few pounds replacing glass will be cheaper than the court process. It is about time that this was made a criminal offence, how the police cannot find some crime to charge them with is beyond me.
The "tenancy agreement" is obviously fake, force has been used to gain entry, damage has been done ie changing the locks. The police should have provided support for a locksmith to re-secure the property with these people on the outside immediately. They managed to send "teams of officers and a helicopter" to arrest a bloke who'd already left Kate Bush's mansion and deported him straight away, why not some help here? The owners do not have to pay the utilities either, arrange for pre-pay meters to be fitted, the police are obliged to assist the companies gain entry, then arrange with the job centre that any rent payable for this property from the occupants benefits gets to you. Visit your property every few days regularly as a landlord you have rights of access, every time you attend make sure the police do too for your protection as "you fear for your safety". The police will soon get fed up of doing their job and assisting a taxpayer and hopefully wish they'd manned up before.
What the blazes am I reading here?! Unless proven otherwise, they broke into the property. The owners clearly did not offer any tenacy agreement to anyone as they were in the process of selling. How is it that the squatters can move in with ease, no police action (which just absolutely bewilders me), and yet the action needed to remove them will take ages and take good earned money to throw at the courts?!?! That's an injustice. Squatters' rights?! Squatters should have no damn rights, they take over other peoples' properties and as far as I can remember, that's theft. The owners must be absolutely livid, because I am and it's not my property. It's crazy, absolutely crazy, and so wrong it just sickens my heart about England.
Whilst the Masons have my sympathy, it's not quite in the same league as, for instance, coming back off holiday and finding squatters in your own home. I don't know when breaking and entering became a civil, not a criminal offence? What does the state of its occupancy matter? Someone owned it and was presumably paying tax, rates and insurance on it. If one of my contracts took me abroad for 2 years and I left the house empty, does that make it a legitimate target for the country's dross to take over? Perhaps if I shot someone inside an empty property, I could make an argument that this was also a civil offence.
Instead of thousands on legal fees, pay a hundred quid & fumigate the place - get rid of ALL the vermin! Madness when breaking into a private home (or any property for that matter) is NOT considered a crime!
What a pathetic state of affairs the once Great Britian has become..I am British and proud of it even though I live abroad, but I just can't stand what Britian has become...
I love the comments ' police unable to act as its a civil matter' . Now if you were to punch their living daylights out for damaging your property then I bet the police would not find that a civil matter! I also have to ask the question 'Moldovans'? Why are they squatters in this country ? They are not part of the EU. If they can't afford to rent legally, am I wrong to assume that they may be illegal here and therefore it does become a legal matter? Just wondering out loud .....
I thought if it was a break in the police could act, or has the law changed again, or don't the police know the law.
Why not just arrest the whole family on suspicion of theft of supermarket trolley shown in the picture, or suspicion of burglary, or suspicion of criminal damage to the front door. Sure this rubbish will sue the police, but at least this lady will have her property back and for a change the police will be protecting the law biding public and not the criminal. Sometimes I feel that our special service personnel wasted their time protecting us from the Germans and the Soviet block over the last 100 years !!!!!
So what about new law which grants the owners, a right to use reasonable force to protect their property? I would get five hefty male relatives to break in and kick out those Moldovan squatters, safe guard the house and change the locks again. That would be my idea of reasonable force to protect my property! Surely it is NOT a crime to brake into your own property, when you have bonafide evidence of ownership. The squatters are hardly going to take their so-called tenancy agreement to the police, for the police will (or should) discover the document is fraudulent
Would it still be "a civil matter" if they burnt their own property to the ground? It is a detached house so they would not affect next door! If I was in this situation, it is something that I would seriously consider, after warning the squatters first, of course.
If these people got into the house by breaking in through the back door then my understanding is that this is burglary !!!!!!!!!! They should be thrown out of the house and then deported immediately.
Get out the country is finished. Cameron talks about his sex life whilst the country burns.
Would the police be so understanding if it was camerons house??
im feel sorry for the owner...but i keep tell to myself....why it all happent in UK....and NOT to the rest of EU..if it happent in Italy...(IF),we don't need the police to tell them to leave...you can figure youself out....
This is Breaking and Entering in the first instant!! So how come the police cannot do anything about it. The 'breaking in' is a criminal offence,so they should arrest them all. This is traversity of British justice. Why hasn't this been addressed by this government, they promised that they would.
If they broke in then a crime has been committed, plain and simple, the police have just relinquished their Duty of Care and shrugged off their responsibility.
Smash every window in your house (No one wants to live in a cold house), it will cost a lot less to repair then the legal bill to get them out!
Steal a car and the police can act; steal a house and 'it's a civil matter'! These people should be charged with breaking and entering, and sent back to their country of origin!
The police have lost the streets, if they wanted to they could get them out no problem, arrest for criminal damage , burglary, stealing electricity anything etc but never back the British against foreigners in fear of being labelled racists. No wonder some people sort out things like this themselves, but once the police are called you've no chance.
This is happening all too often and it's time the Police were given the powers and authority to do something about it. At the moment the Police can do little or nothing and it's an absolute disgrace that people can break in to a person's home and live there. It's stealing, nothing less. It's a CRIME so why can't the Police be allowed to act and chuck them out on their rear ends. Oh no, human rights etc will complain ! Who cares? Get this load of criminals out. It could VERY easily happen to you or I when we popped out to the shops, or to work or to walk the dog etc. We come home and strangers have moved in. WHAT? How dare the government allow this to continue. Are you listening Cammy? GIVE THE POLICE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THEM AND THEN CHARGE THEM WITH THE CRIME. This weak PM promised so much and has delivered NOTHING. He's ok and his house will be guarded 24/7 so nobody will ever break in to his home. It's very much a case of "I'm all right Jack" so he doesn't care.
This is ridiculous, not only have they broken it to this ladies house, but the police are powerless to do anything! If the lady has to pay for the electric I say cut it off along with the water! Why should she also have to pay huge legal fees to get people out of HER house!!!!??? What is happening to this country!
Stop paying the utility bills!!!
What do you suspect this Moldovan family contributes to British society? I struggle to understand why the Police don't storm in there and drag this freeloaders out of there. What message are we sending out here? Come to England, break in to any house you deem appropriate, claim squatters rights, make yourself comfortable, and sign on the dole the next day. What a wonderful country, Tell all your friends.
they broke in that and they are living in some ones house I call that steeling they are steeling the property in my eye I think the law needs changing on this as this is getting beyond a joke!
Its simple, the powers that be are quite happy for this to happen. Do you think that this could be a mistake, for all these years that this has been happening? That government after government can't grasp the nettle? No, Labour and Conservative, Lib Dems too, don't give a monkey's about us. It is the rulers and the ruled, every other division is illusory.
This really is a shameful example of how low Britain has sunk. How can the police say this is a 'civil matter' and leave it at that? Why can they not arrest these burglars for breaking and entering? It's not like they would appeal, and even if they did they would surely lose. The Police are now far too concerned with doing everything right down to the very letter of the law; but, unfortunately, the law is a complete ass. These people should have been physically slung out by the Police right on the spot, yet they'd rather stand back and not get involved, causing this innocent couple months of distress and thousands of pounds. How can that be right? Who are they meant to turn to in situations like this if not the Police? I swear such a farcical and shameful situation could only possibly happen in modern-day Britain; no other country's police force would act so feebly.
You steal a car and it's a criminal offence, you steal a TV during a riot and it's 4 years inside, you steal a house and it's a civil matter up for negotiation ? Come on parliament sort this nonsense out !
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter? If the door had been left open that's one thing, but if it's been broke in it changes the circumstances completely. Not only should she be able to get rid of the squatters, but she should equally be able to sue the police for not doing their duty.
At least do them for stealing the supermarket trolley
I had to google Moldova to see where it was. How the hell did they get into Britain?
Just how is this not illegal? How?? They've stolen their house pure and simple yet it is not a police matter? Wake up MPs and change the laws!
I wouldn't put up with that rubbish. Imagine if it was an MP's home that this had happened in. Absolutely outrageous and it's high time that this and similar scams were nipped in the bud by changing the relevant laws. I am sorry that England has become the joke that it has due to outdated laws and a benefit system that encourage con artists from all over the world.
I wouldn't put up with that rubbish. Imagine if it was an MP's home that this had happened in. Absolutely outrageous and it's high time that this and similar scams were nipped in the bud by changing the relevant laws. I am sorry that England has become the joke that it has due to outdated laws and a benefit system that encourage con artists from all over the world.
Then for goodness sake make it a police matter..Why is it when it comes to protecting the innocent changing the law always takes years to implement. Why is nothing ever done ?
Blame the man who has power and sits on his backside with it and next time vote better!!!
The law needs changing now. Let's get squatters into MP's 2nd and 3rd homes and see what happens.
If it was my house, that lot would be forcibly removed by me and other members of my family, as I would do to any other person or persons trespassing on or inside MY property. Endof.
How they can say it is a civil matter, when they occupy a house which is legally owned by someone else?! - especially when they broke in and the locks have been changed? Surely there must be some legal right for damage to a property with the lock changes etc? That means, any burglar you encounter in your home, could just set up camp, say he's signed a tenancy agreement, and refuse to leave!
So, a burglar can break into your home, but the police will do nothing if he claims to be a squatter? What if you return home as they are breaking in and forcibly eject them ? I bet our wonderful UK police would arrest you, the householder. Absolutely bonkers!
a change in the law is needed and very fast
If you have to pay the electricity as you say, why not close the electricity account? I believe that can be done externally. And anything else you can cut off, do.
Drag the Moldovian Consul over there to tell HIS people to get the hell out of there. If they don't listen, send HIM the legal bills
English squatters will be furious.........why are EU squatters given preference over them
For heavens sake! Isn't breaking and entering an offence already? Why can't the police act on a statement from the owner and just arrest everybody in the house? Ken Clarke should get a move on with whatever change is needed in the law. Honest houseowners need protection from this cynical abuse - or is it only criminals who have 'Human Rights'?
Good old UK must be the laughing stock of the world. Would any other country allow this or would they have the sense to put them on the next plane back whence they came at their country's expense.How on earth do all these people actually get into the country with no means to support themselves? Next thing will be the baby born in UK and the lifelong support system for all of them. I suppose the Goverment, like the last one, are incapable of dealing with this without getting a five year study from some Lord and Consultancy company. Mind you,it's about 10 years too late to stop the rot and the cost!!
In Germany, the police would be in like a shot and marching them off to the police station within minutes. I checked this with a lawyer friend of mine. This would simply not be permitted in Germany and, I suspect, in many other countries either. I cannot for the life of me understand why the British parliament doesn't immediately change this law.
Theft of the shopping trolly worth maybe £200 is a crime before taking into consideration criminal breaking and entering so what are the police playing at? Perhaps get the supermarket to prosecute as corporations appear to have more legal clout than the individual these days.
Thought this useless government was going to stop this . They have to have broken in . This countries laws are stupid . Throw the scroungers out . Send them back to where ever they have come from .
don't you just luv this country....
This is a sick loophole in what they call the law. Not possible in Finland. Disgusting!
In what sort of country is breaking into someone's home and taking-up residence not a crime???? Only the English would put up with this.
And the police say that it's a "civil" matter.......................... What a load of cobblers......
This makes me so angry, if someone takes my car without my permission, the law is willing/able to intervene. Yet here someone enters property and the owner does not want them there and the legal system which is suppossed to protect the lawabiding citizen, stands by and does nothing. It is time that the bunch of wasters in Parliament start to deal with the matters which are really affecting the British people.
Every time I read one of these stories I think of how sorry I feel for the people of Britain as a whole. How a country could evolve to care so little about the rights of it's native citizens to allow this travesty of justice to occur. This is plain theft anyway you look at it. Shame on anyone who would let these criminals stay in that house. Your island is becoming an asylum run by the inmates. Good luck.
We certainly didn't vote for Moldovia when we had that joke referendum on joining the common market.
So, since when is 'breaking and entering' a civil matter? They "broke in through the back door" - this is a criminal offense and should be dealt with accordingly. How much more humiliation and shame must the British people put up with before politicians actually do something to change such antiquated laws which permit spongers from benefitting?
"They broke in through the back door". How is that not a criminal offence ? Seems like if this new wave of immigrants cannot get accommodation legally, they will just take, take, take. Send them and others like them home before they further 'milk' the system by claiming benifits- Ooooops To Late !
If they broke in through the back door isnt that breaking and entering. The police would have the right to arrest them it would not be a civil matter.
wow. your Law sucks.
Is it any wonder illegal immigrants are piled high at Calais and wherever else they can enter this country. We're the soft touch of not only Europe, I would say worldwide. In any civilised society, the houseowner, supported by the forces of law and order, would have removed these thieving scum post-haste. In any civilised society, the only people able to claim welfare would be the people who have contributed. But, we're not a civilised society at all, unless you're an illegal immigrant/thief/rapist/terrorist/murderer/benefits cheat or any other type of foreign criminal.
Isn't it about time the British justice system got a grip? This is ridiculous. And why are the police so IMPOTENT?And no, you don't have to pay for the electricity - just DON"T pay and it will be cut off.
Have any checks been done on these parasites and if not why not? They probably should not even be in the country legally......it just gets worse.
I don't quite believe all of this. Forced entry by unauthorised occupiers is not a civil offence it is a criminal offence under the criminal justice and public order act 1994 made so the police should act. Also the owner does not have to pay for electricity. If they are using electricity with no intention to pay then that is stealing which is another criminal offence. Owner should be able to get them out pretty quickly with an interim possession order but they need to act quickly and not waste time talking to newspapers who seem to get a lot of the facts wrong.
So. if someone breaks into your house and steals your telly, they're a burglar who can be arrested and (hopefully) sent to prison. If someone breaks into your house, decides to stay, changes the locks, makes a nice cup of tea, sits down and watches your telly, not only is it legal but you're paying the electricity bill. UK justice - it's an oxymoron, with the emphasis on moron.
I cannot understand this squatters' rights business in the UK, along with outrageous benefits given to "immigrants"? What's it going to take for taxpayers to say "Enough!"
Janice get all your family together and move in and make their lives a misery they will soon move out.
So you can protect your property if someone tries to break in while you happen to be home, but if they MOVE IN while you're away, you can't do anything about it?!! What is WRONG with the British justice system that this is not a crime? Ken Clarke - and David Cameron, what's your problem? Why the delay? Come on men, pull your thumb out and get busy TODAY to make this horrendous practice illegal. And remind the police that once it is illegal, they're not to pussyfoot about - squatters should be arrested and removed IMMEDIATELY. .
Alleged "Tenancy Agreement" but they had to break in throught the back door?? This has to be one of the cruelest crimes, and the sooner Clarke gets off hisbackside and sorts it out the better. How on earth can breaking and entering not be a criminal offence ? Theft of electricity used to be a crime as well. Does this mean that any little oik who fancies a bit of burglary only has to say he was squatting and he will get off with it. This is insane.
So if you break into someones house to steal something you can go to jail? Yet if you break in with a view to taking the whole house its a civil matteer? Weird. And as for the tenenacy agreement, easy to write that yourself.
This is so wrong! How on earth can a government be allowing things like this to happen. People will be taking the law into their own hands soon.
"Announcing proposals" - Typical. Just make it illegal immediately. How hard can that be?
What is the matter with this country?
All of you who have been green arrowing the Romanian big issue seller, this is what this country is up against. Let's see how much this family are raking in from benefits including housing benefit which they are probably also claiming since they hold a tenancy agreement which has yet to be proved fraudulent.
What is wrong with the British government - why can they not take the simple measure of making trespassing a criminal offense as it is here in North America? These situations never occur in Canada because trespassing is against the law and those squatters would be arrested immediately.
I cannot believe that the Squatters Rights law still exists. In my book squatting is theft. In South Africa if a family of hairy-assed Moldovians moved into somebody's house uninvited they would never be seen again. I feel for this couple and all the other victims of this most ridiculous of laws. What astounds me is, when you take this example together with the ridiculous benefits claims of Romanians, and others, the elf and safety pettiness, bin men who won't take your rubbish, firemen who won't rescue drowning children (because they will get their uniforms wet) and the European Humans Rights laws that dictate that known terrorists can stay in London AND get housing benefit when ordinary hard working British people get nothing, people are wondering why Britain is not so great anymore. It is plain for anyone with half a brain to see. Just re-read the previous paragraph. I left 16 years ago but it grieves me to see a once proud nation shoot itself in the foot on a daily basis.
You no longer have any rights in your own country.
Wouldnae see that happen in Scotland!
Poor woman! This makes my blood boil; these evil people - who KNOW that they are in the wrong - cause people huge distress and great financial loss, and the police are absolutely powerless to do anything. There is a need for this new law to be brought into being very urgently. It's outrageous that people can do this, and they're probably claiming flaming housing benefits as well!
Breaking and entering isn't a crime in the UK?
Why does Britain not have laws against breaking and entering, trespassing, theft by deception, fraud, grand larceny, destruction of property.....? Can your counties pass their own criminal codes, as our individual states do? We have certain federal (national) criminal laws, but every state's legislature has established criminal law codes. In this country, breaking into someone's house is a felony and the felon would be arrested, jailed, and have to face a criminal penalty. Should not British people have this protection against usurpation of their property? What is wrong with your lawmakers?
The law needs to be changed! This is disgusting! Ask the utiliy companies to cut off their electricity, it's not right that you have to pay for it!
So what happened to this being made criminal offence as announced. Heir to Blair, more promises broken. Police would soon do something about it if attempt made to kick squatters out. Why not do the same to Clegg, Camoron and Clarke's houses. ?
i suspect in their own country this wouldn't be allowed..or the police would move in with guns or something. When, oh when, will we wake up and get a grip on things.They are there illegally. End of. That poor woman.
What is wrong with the UK? This is alright? For illegal aliens move into your OWN house and LIVE for AT LEAST 8 MONTHS? I'm sorry, but at least in Texas you could shoot them as they are on YOUR PROPERTY. It's a shame that the police can't do anything as they are TRESPASSING.... What good is it when you can't protect your OWN HOME?
Oh for heaven's sake - THEY ARE TRESPASSING - IT'S AGAINST THE LAW COME ON COPPERS GET THEM OUT.
The eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door. Yet the police are saying that breaking and entering is a civil matter, why do we bother to have police, what are they for.
I don't get it. Isn't breaking and entering a criminal offence?
Let m,e see if I can get this right, moldovans (whoever they are) break into somebodies house, change the locks and plod says he cannot do anything about it. So does that mean breaking into houses in the UK is now legal? if so on my next visit I shall bring over my tools , choose a nice house down on the Sussex coast and whoopee have a very relaxed summer I shall also buy a very nasty doberman so the owners and plods can gnash their teeth outside and do nothing about it. How wet can you poms get???
I thought that they were going to change the law on squatters!
It is insane that the true owners have no rights to have these squatters (thieves) booted out immediately. Simply unbelievable! Perhaps if squatters took over the home of a British lawmaker there would be some action to get squatting outlawed immediately. This is just sickening. My sympathies to the Masons.
These vermin BROKE IN,what part of this criminal offence do the police not understand???????????
It was said they broke in the back door. I thought it was against the law to break in to squat in a building. Surely the police should have arrested them for breaking the law. Deport them them for breaking our laws. This is insanity. Come on David ,this happens too often.
So the police said quote '' they are powerless to act as it is a civil matter '' hogwash, this is a clear case of breaking and entering, and there is too much of this going on, and Ken Clarke say,s he is going to change the law ------ oh yeah, you,ll wait till the cows come home before this happens !!! if I was the Mason,s I,d be round the local,and round up the heavies and do my own evictions, 10 minutes job done, and sod the consequences .
So someone can break in to your home, occupy it....and theres nothing you can do about it? So we have breaking and entering, criminal damage, trespass and probably a few more offences but the police wont do anything? I bet if this was some rich CEO, fat cat or politicians house, theyd be dragged out by the scruff of their necks by riot police. Only in Britain........need I say more?
This country has gone to the dogs..No justice anymore..The only option she really has is for her husband to find some male friends to visit and take over the 'squat' Then the house could be restored to its original condition and guarded until the new owner took posession.I know this is taking the law into your own hands but what can one do to right a wrong and find justice in this country.
Ken Clark should make squatting illegal, full stop. None of this residential residences only. Why is this family not breaking and entering? It is dispicable.
Powerless police... we know who is coming in the country but what is happening to the country.
Why are the laws in this country so loaded against us, the native citizens, and so in favour of freeloading parasites from abroad? Are the powers that be trying to provoke a reaction? Because that's where this is headed.
Cut off the electricity, gas, water and send the TV licence detector van round.
Squatters should NOT have rights!! It is not their property and should not be allowed to just stay in there! And it has stopped the owners being able to sell the house which is hard enough as it is at the minute! They should pay rent or a mortgage like everyone else has to do! This can ruin people's lives and homes. Good luck to them getting them out.
Enough is enough, whos next? Wake up BRITAIN! Everybody knows this is wrong, it's time for the the law to change other wise the power of the people will step in. I bet this wouldn't happen at No 10 why it remains empty and a new PM steps in at the next election or at Buckingham Palace why the queen visits Balmoral!. David Cameron said he was going to sort out the imigration probelm which Labor so kindly left behind. It's time for the tax payers to step in, stop hard working people stuggling to pay their bills be left privatley fighting immigrants through civil disputes. Round them all up and send them home or house them in a detention centre for breaking and entry or trespass. It makes me so mad, why oh why did we win WW2, I grandparents turn in their grave, every body who lost are now winners and we are a pathetic nation still suffering.
Something not right with this article. If these pieces of low life broke in and the police refuse to do anything sue the police. They failed to do their duty. If the break in is unproven the low life couldsue the DM for darkening their already dodgy name.
It's not squatting when they break in! Why aren't there new laws on the way to protect home owners?
How did this happen that in Britain squatters have more rights than the owners???
This is just wrong, how can this still be allowed to happen ? The law need to change and fast!
It is ridiculous that Parliament continues to fail the people of England and Wales in this matter. The government should introduce a Bill for Criminal Trespass even as Canada and the U.S.A. both have.
Reading this makes my blood boil!
How on God's green earth can this be legal?? Are you folk in England stark staring mad???????
Squatting is one thing, but surely this counts as breaking and entering, which is most definitely not a civil matter.
until the government acually do something so that these squaters can be removed out of someones home it will get worse and reading about how easy it is to take over someones home puts ideas into people heads. the law seems to on the side of the squatters at the moment. feel so sorry for the people who have squatters move in, and they have stand b y while they trash it, before moving on to another house to trash
"Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door." I was under the impression that if you break in then that is a CRIMINAL MATTER.......and you could only claim squtters rights if a door or window has been left open. If it was me I would wait until the early hours then go round with a few friends and help them move along........
The Ministry of Justice annonced proposals to make residential squatting illegal, but, alas, does not know when it will happen! It will never happen. It is beyond comprehension how British people can accept the injustices they daily have to live with. There are tens of millions of people moving to the UK from Eastern Europe and everywhere else, all determined to fleece the country for all it's worth, steal people's houses, drive elderly owners from their homes, and there is nothing in place to stop them.
This happens again an again - the internet allows these crooks to find out about every trick in the book. If they supposedly rented the property from a woman masquerading as a landlord why would the fake landlord go to the trouble of changing the locks? Get the law changed Ken!
How can it be a civil matter when strangers break into your home and refuse to leave? Isn't that breaking and entering in the UK, as it is in the States? Can the legal owners then break back into the house and, (armed with baseball bats or who-knows-what) use force to take back their own lawful property? Could this be easy to fix by making it a criminal matter instead of civil? Then the cops could DO something. Any lawyers out there care to suggest something?
" Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter."-How can breaking and entering be classed as a civil matter?
Is anything like this happening in Germany or France?? Or is it only in the 'UNTIED' Kingdom?? Welcome to the madhouse, the lunatics are in charge.
Surely if these squatters broke in it is a police matter, a case of break and enter, and if they had paid rent, why did they have to break in, they should have had a key. Sounds very fishy to me.
kick them out out of the house & the country after charging them for breaking & entry, fraud , falsifying a legal document , theft of a shopping trolley , & they can pay the power bill as well
When did "breaking and entering" stop being a crime? Surely it would be a civil matter ONLY if they were there by prior agreement and the owner was now having a problen removing them. These two parties are strangers to each other and a civil matter cannot exist between strangers. Sounds like classic "fobbing off" by lazy police.
Well Dave.here are eight who are all in this together,what sort of a civil matter is breaking and entering,I thought that was a criminal offence.
It's theft and vandalism. Why isn't this a police matter. What in heavens name is happening to England? What is a civil matter? This kind of behavior being tolerated is disgusting.
When did "home invasion", "forced entry" and " breaking & entering" become a civil matter?
I do feel for the Masons,what an appalling thing to happen.Am I right in thinking UK's major problems started with EU ? Riots, squatting,etc... Yet why are people so anti Indian and anti Asian in general,when they contribute to the economy and cause no trouble to anyone?
The sooner the law gets changed the better! This has been going on for years now. Why are parliament dragging their feet over this? It could happen to any of us. You come back from holiday or even Tescos to find bunch of squatters have moved in. Get it sorted!
You need that law NOW! I just don't 'get it' about squatting. This kind of thing would just not happen here. In truly abandoned houses or buildings, maybe, but I keep reading about situations like this one where houses in transition, for sale or renovation, get taken over. When the law is passed, if ever, will this kind of thing be an offense that the police can deal with?
The law needs to be changed ASAP go protect the rightful owners. Deport the squatter scum back to where they came from. Come on Mr Cameron grow a pair and protect your fellow country men and their property.
The tenancy agreement is a forgery, and the squatters broke in through the back door - two crimes the police could have chosen from in order to carry out an arrest. Also, why hasn't the law been changed yet? The Ministry of Justice has a lot to answer for.
For heaven's sake..why does England still allow this? You cannot do this in Scotland. And why can the legal owners not enter the property if they so wish? This is absolutely ridiculous..what's taking so long to change the law?
this is absolutely scandalous......... where are your lawyers and local members when you need them ?!!!! - how dare these people presume to take possession of someone else's hard earned/bequeathed property... I am shocked that your police force canNOT physically remove these squatter............. I'd be camping out @ the local member's office and demanding action.. why can't you have the electricity turned off ??... just not good enough.... I wish you well in your endeavour to remove these oxygen thieves.
Breaking and entering is a Criminal Offence and is arrestable. How would the Police respond if this were Ken Clarke's property? Answers to his office please-The Houses of Parliament,Westminster,London SW1 0AA.
Contact Grant Shapps, housing minister, and ask him how he will help you. This makes my blood boil and if this happen to me I'd risk a jail sentence to make sure they moved on quickly.
Send in the army.
This is scandalous ! England is becoming a less and less desirable tourist destination due to laws which permit things like this, as well as your bizarre criminal penalties. Or am I just being influenced by this sort of story being regularly featured in the DM?
Over on this side of the world that would be a crime called 'breaking and entering'.
Ken Clarke, get your finger out and pass that law!!!
I wonder what the law says in relation to the act of squatting in the country of Moldova......... ?
I get so mad with stories like this why can't the police just go and get them out. It is so unfair on this poor couple. You are better off in England now if you are not English. Come on England stand up for us English again.
No doubt the squatters will use the bogus tenancy agreement to claim housing benefit
I don't understand why there is a need to squat....... you only have to go to social services and you get everything handed to you on a plate....... and you don't even need to work for it! This is Dave's 'we're all in this together' Britain 2012
Why has the parliament not acted to put a stop to this already? This is worse than theft. At the very least it guarantees that the owners have to lose large sums of money in legal proceedings to recover the property. This situation amounts to more socialist regulation that leads to loss of property rights and hence loss of social order.
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." The sooner the better. What other property (cars, computers, shoes) is there that ownership gives you no rights to ownership? None. It's a disgrace that this remains a civil matter, not a crime. People should stop buying houses until this matter is sorted out - and then you can bet the businesses involved in the property industry will put heavy pressure on the government to act. In fact, I propose a "Don't buy property Month"!
Breaking and entering and trespassing on private property are not crimes in England? What is wrong with your Parliament?
Here we go again spineless police and politicians make a wonderful pair.
Move back into the house yourself with loads of relatives, squat in the house yourself until the moldovians have no room to live there. Dont allow them to do this. It is your house, take it back. If the police and courts won't help you then you need to help yourself.
I'm baffled as to how this can be a civil matter. You own property, someone ILLEGALLY breaks in [which in this country is criminal], stays without your permission, likely causes damage [vandalism is also criminal] - how can this not be a police matter that requires the people to be arrested & charged - at a minimum - with breaking & entering, vandalism & trespassing provided the original/true owner can show proof of ownership? Absolute non-sense.
The rape and plunder of the UK citizens. Getting to be you can't even leave your home without worrying squatters are going to move in. Where's the protection for the tax paying home owners, this poor family having to pay to remove them from their own home.Dealing with their mother's death and now this For heavens sake start protecting them against these invaders. Put a law into action now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes me so angry just reading this! Poor couple
How the hell can breaking and entering be a civil matter ?? Its a criminal offence !!. I thought P.C. stood for Police Constable not Politically Correct. Shameful.
In the States we call this breaking and entering. I don't know why the police say its a civil matter the owner is right there with the cops the lease is invalid end of story the police need to remove them. And if the police didn't remove them I would sue the police department.
This country has become just one sad joke.
Where else in the world can you get away with this ? There is a much quicker way of getting these parasites out, but you should not have to use it . Why can't this happen to Blair and the like , they started this never ending decline of a once fine country ????
All I can say is that I'm glad I do not live in the UK any more." Normal " countries have sensible laws that would have them out on their ear instantly. The sooner Britain pulls out of the EU & its stupid laws, the better. If you own the house & your name is on the title deed, how Eastern European squatters,or any squatters for that matter being permitted to get away with this is beyond my comprehension. They should be sent back to Moldova, wherever that is???
"Broke in through the back door." How is that a "civil" matter? What happened to 'breaking and entering' yes for illegal purposes...to steal electricity and water and gas..at the very least..then criminal damage...before any civil matter is reached. Of course there is trespassing..but that doesn't seem to count anymore. ( One time a police officer would attend and " prevent a breach of the peace" while the owner or agent would physically remove the trespassers.) WE ARE ALL SICK of how badly victims are treated by the law now - and how well the criminals do out of crime. Get the message government...or resign.
Isn't this a very old article????
This is a nightmare scenario and a loop-hole in the law that needs to be closed. If you tried this in Moldova I'm sure you'd end up bloody and battered on the pavement in double-quick time.
Since when has breaking and entering been relegated to a civil matter?
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in.
I was under the seemingly misapprehension that you could only squat in a property if you were able to gain unhindered access, but the article clearly states that " they broke in through the back door ". Surely this act alone makes it a criminal offence? The alleged tenancy agreement and ownership of the property could be confirmed in a few days, one would have thought, so why does it take months and cost so much? No doubt when they are legally evicted the property will be trashed as well. You need a little North American law enforcement over there.
Why on Earth, when the owners were allowed inside, could they not have stayed? It seems they'd have been within their rights every bit as much as the squatters. Since it's a civil matter, the police could hardly throw them out and, if the squatter threatened them, they'd be arrested, surely. That's the way it should be, anyway, barring a real solution.
What are Moldovans doing in Britain? Moldova is not an EU country, so they have no 'right' to be here. They should be deported.
Are you kidding me?... How?... What? Isn't that break and enter? Trespassing? If thats OK, whats to stop you from going to some politicians house and and move in there while they are on holidays? This makes absolutely no sense to me. AND they pay for the electricity? Gobsmacked!
Something doesn't seem right with this story, firstly how are the Masons still paying the electricity bill? they can easily get it cut off. It says they rented the house out starting from 2009, so whoever they rented it out to could have sub-rented it or the Masons themselves rented it out to the Moldovans. This story headline is very misleading.
Times like these call for the end justifies the means philosophy....I'd have said that I'd left a vacuum cleaner or something in the house and now it's gone....the definition of burglary states "any person entering a building or part of a building as a tresspasser with the intent of rape, unlawfull damage, G.B.H or theft"...if the "alledged" vacuum cleaner is no longer there the police would have the power to arrest on suspicion of burglary.....while they're in the cells you secure the house....simples.
Why is it taking Ken Clarke so long to deal with this issue?
Could the police get through to this landlady called Sharon? If so, what did she have to say to them? If they couldn't get through, what other form of contact do the Moldovan's have? How will they next be paying rent? If it's cash in hand then there will be a person to collect. If it's via bank account, obviously that can be traced too. Either way the police should be treating this as a prima facie squatting/trespassing/theft offence and establishing the linking person called Sharon - if she exists - very easily.
Pathetic legal system needs to be reformed immediately , scandalous that this is still allowed to happen.
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country!
When oh when is this limp stupid goverment going to put astop to this terrible situation this poor woman must be going through hell. \\kick the squatters not only out of the house but out of the country NOW and to hell with the stupid E.U
Poor people. This cannot happen in the US as the sqatters would be charged with breaking and entering and hauled off by the police!
i really feel for this couple but im ashamed to say i expected it from this tinpot country. They wont print what i really want to say but im pretty sure the rest of the uk knows what i mean and i hope they rise up and do something about it. If one person red arrows me then i know their not british
My understanding is that "squatters" who break in, are committing burglary and would face arrest? These ones broke in..
These people have alot more control than I ever will, if anyone broke into my property there would be no calling the police.If the law is an ass, you must take matters into your own hands. Why don't the couple call the electric and water company and say they don't want electricty and water. Tell me, what is the difference between this and breaking and entering? Surely there should be no difference. It all leads to this whole welfare state that we have become where being lazy and breaking the law gets you further than honesty and hard graft.
Since when was breaking and entry a "civil matter". Unless a chunk of the facts of the story have been left out here (which is not impossible given that this is the DM!) it sounds as if the police don't know much about the law.
Absolutely bonkers that you have no right of occupation over your own home. But of course these are foreigners so they will be treated with kid gloves anyhow.
Another shameless story of Britain going through the wall , how on earth are these people not charged with breaking and entering property i will never know .
it is my understanding that if you break in that this is a criminal offence. Seems the police do not want to do their job on this occasion.
Its stealing, pure and simple
WTH?! Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace!
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point.
So now in the UK breaking and entering is no longer a crime. Bring on the revolution guys, lets sort it out ourselves.
Dumbfounded!!! feel like moving to another planet!! Try moving into someone els's house in another country and you would be out the front door before you sat down Why is it that british people do not have rights!
Mental, totally mental !
As Moldova is not in the EU,how were they able to take up residence in the UK? If they alleged torture by a government institution and sought asylum,who was responsible for their settlement in the UK?
In Ireland we now have 1 in 4 Polish people living here are now on the dole so thats 188euro each per week plus rent allowance and fuel allowance etc etc .. Im sure it must be higher in the UK...If something doesnt happen soon the EU will bankrupt us or is that the plan ??
Pickles is exactly like those idiot teenagers who announce a party on Facebook while their parents are away. Huge numbers turn up (complete with disorder and law-breaking), and they express surprise. Is this really the best our idiot politicians can do? Ten months to ensure controls are in place (remember, we never signed the Schengen Treaty). If/when our politicians fail to stem this latest flood, never, EVER vote for any of them again.
Dear "saviour,crawley, You are right,it is not too late,but they want us to think so.The more people wake up,the less chance there is of this mass influx happening.The reason that I said this is a Marxist plan,was because I saw a film on You Tube called "In the shadow of Hermes" by the former Soviet Lithuanian dissident Juri Lina.Who was behind the Soviet Union,Marxism,and what there plans really were(not a fair society for all)and how they went about wiping out millions of there former supporters,because their propaganda to unite people was a big lie.Everybody had to be "Soviet" not Russian,Ukranian,Georgian,etc.Resistance meant Siberia or ..Death or both.The same people(Bankers) who were behind the Russian Revolution,are behind the EUSSR.These people who are planning to come here will be very happy to return to a "socialistic" kind of structure, because that's what they were used to and are nostalgic for.That's why they are coming here.To take your place! Vote UIKIP!
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!- egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30 ------ Yes, but when we do, we come with money to support ourselves, we don't outplace you guys! We need your controls in place here! ; )
Look in the mirror , and say - I am one of those people that will destroy the country I love , because I couldn't be bothered to vote for anyone but - Lib /Lab / Con . And if you are already on low wages - expect them to go even lower - due to EU loving Ed saying that these people are welcome and he will never give you an In / Out vote .
There is a PETITION set up by The Express - you can find it express.co.uk/web/europecrusade .... "I call on the Government to arrange for an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU either by means of an enabling referendum or directly so that the British people are once again placed in charge of their own political destiny." It has a whole page of facts and figures, along with the fact that under Brussels rules, agreed to by Labour AFTER it had lost the election we are liable to help bail out economies wrecked by the single currency (despite not being in it ourselves). PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SIGN THE PETITION TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK AND RE-POST THE LINK IN ALL YOUR POSTS ON ANY SITES, TWEETS OR FACEBOOK
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.- Kathy , Liverpool, 15/1/2013 01:39 -------- KATHY, I totally agree with you, but to wait until the next election (Europe 2014) and then General in 2015 to vote, will be leaving it too late, these people are due to arrive at the end of next year. SO PLEASE..... GO TO THE UKIP SITE, JOIN UP, READ WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH THE EU, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, WATCH FARAGE ON YOU TUBE (you will feel a real element of long awaited joy that someone is standing up to them, I promise) AND SPEAK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO EDUCATE THEM TOO. Email UKIP directly if you have any questions, they are great and undeniably passionate)! I have also been looking at other news media sites - and they are all the same, the country seems to be going mad about the EU, all wanting our referendum).. BUT PLEASE DO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST VENT YOUR ANGER ON HERE!!!
Well whatever the figure turns out to be I'd multiply it by around 140, because they predicted only 14,000 Poles would come to the UK and it ended up being around 2,000,000!
"Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves! - egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30" ________________Perhaps our forefathers new what was in store for us when they opened up Australia for you ;-)
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.
I THINK PICKLES IS SCARED THAT THAY MIGHT TAKE HIS FOOD
My guess , it will be close to 30 million !!
Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight were filming over in Rumania lastr week... They ALL seemed pretty ready to come to England.. Some had tried Spain last year but left when EU starvation hit them. There are no jobs in Europe so I guess that all 31 million will want to come here.. It will be a good lesson to all those who voted for the LibLabCon. Nobody can say that UKIP didn't warn them before the election..
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really. - bobinky, Leicester, 14/1/2013 19:36 If you have already joined UKIP why don't you stand as a candidate in your area if as you say they haven't got one.
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!
That is because they dared't the clamour to get out of the E.U would upset Cameron and CLEGG but get out we absolutely must
I see people moaning and saying they will vote UKIP but how many of you will stand and make a difference? UKIP will be looking for good candidates. If you want your country restored and protected, stand as a member of parliament. Chances are all you the candidates will be well fed middle class prolls from the south east. Stand and play the local angle. Get out there are doing something.
Building more houses in our countryside for all this! Why do we need them here.??? There are enough people in the UK .Britain - always a good host but a poor mother!! This influx of even MORE people has to stop now. PS - I wouldn't want to be a swan when this next lot arrive!
As many as can scrape the bus fare together therefore half the countries population that have at least one good leg to get here on. Who wouldn't sell their shoes to get a free house, money on tap weekly, free medical and schooling. Goodness, if any of us hard working UK citizens were offered a free ride, no questions asked, after being conned all our lives for being honest, we'd jump at the chance now. So, like they said a few year ago only a few thousand Polish would desend on our shores but reality was well beyond that estimate, we're not stupid enough to think things won't be any different. At least for the Polish I know, the majority at least want to work and better their lives here.
Not to give out pie in the sky figures is perfectly reasonable. Let's stick to facts, which can sometimes speak for themselves. One thing for sure is that the EU will not stop growing and other nationalities will soon follow along too. Mr Pickles ought to be announcing a huge, new social housing plan. Already in London British Subjects do not get a look in and haven't for many years now. Before much longer we will not get a look in at all. Mr Pickles is a good man, but there is no excuse for him to sit on his hands.
I can tell you how many are coming! Too Bl##dy MANY!!!
I think most of us agree - this country has changed almost beyond recognition within the last 10 years and if we let this continue, it will be unrecognisable as the UK - and to be honest, I'm scared. How's that for a legacy to leave your kids & grand-kids?! And all because people were scared to vote for someone different at the ballot box. In 10 yrs time, a ballot box will be extinct. If we don't get our referendum, the ONLY way we can stop this is to the streets, we have to save our once great country and VOTE UKIP - Nigel Farage is the only one fighting for us.
bobinky leicester 14/01/2013. 19.36 stand yourself thats the only answer. As Kitchener said 'YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU'.
The more they let in the more they have here to vote NO in a referendum re in/out the EU, we need a referendum now, but sadly I fear all we will get are more scroungers, pickpockets and benefit claiments. The polish already here can build more prisons to house some of them.....
I have just spent half an hour reading many of the comments posted on this article and I have noticed how the tone of the comments has changed over the past few weeks alone. The British people have had enough, their comments and thoughts are filled with deep anger about the way they are being treated in their own country and their views not heard by their own so called government. If Cameron and his government don't start listening to the British people there will be civil unrest across the nation, just as the most rated comment and others on here today have predicted. Mr Cameron, it is time to get your nose out from the backsides of your EU lovers and take note of what THE PEOPLE are saying. WE WANT A REFERENDUM AND WE WANT IT NOW.
I had a dream as well, then I woke up and the nightmare carries on. Vote UKIP.
more like 15 to 20 million. Why wouldn't they, nothing over there for them. We are gonna be totally swamped
They wont tell us how many people are due to head this way for fear of civil unrest but thats coming anyway sooner then they think
Simple...leave EU
Well I'm thinking that Dave is going to give us a referendum after Friday's speech and we'll be out of the EU so none of them will be able to come here. Ooops so sorry I was dreaming....again!
I did add a correction to Budapest as but it seems not to have been included. Zagreb was the previous contract. Soory. Now maybe THIS will be added??
If any of our politicians from the past decade or two had been in power in 1939 ..... we'd all be speaking German now.
I feel sorry for london..
Should have said BUDAPEST__Zagreb was the previous contract...Well it is getting late!
Second attempt. My Son-in-Law has just returned from Zagreb. He was informed by all the single people he met and all the young families that it is their intention to head this way asap. Who can blame them when the qualified engineers in the company he was attached to have not been paid for two months and only earn the equivalent of £300 per month when they ARE paid? It seems we have yet another of our EU fellow members who, like Greece, have entered the Union on false accounting!!.
That is why they want to dig up our countryside. The numbers coming must be enormous if they daren't tell us.
The English working class youth have had their future redistributed by the EU. Once again the weakest & most vulnerable have to pay & suffer.
One has to ask why UKIP are not being politically aggressive on this matter
Stampede seems an adequate description - the figures will be impossible to count as the rush-past will just become a blur!!!
isnt it about time we started to demonstrate en mass about this. these clowns know it is unacceptable for this to happen to any country, but just ignore it. if they wont do anything the we MUST.write to your mp, the party leaders, tell them what you believe, tell them they will not get your vote if they dont put a stop to it, otherwise dont blame them blame yourselves
"It's none of your business, Plebs! All we want from you is your money to pay for them, you don't get a say in whether they come here or not. Don't forget your place!"
Shut the gates and keep them locked.
Do they know about contraception?
Dave make the right choice , or you will be in the wilderness with the Libs . Its now time to do the job you was elected to do , its man or mouse time .
The numbers will be in the millions, that's why they're not going to go public with it. 3-4 million in the first 3 years is a good guess.
I suppose we will have to build over our green and pleasant land to house them all for free. OUT of the EU NOW.
So the estimate is 400,000? Well that means at least 4 million will turn up.
They come here because the government want them to!
Mold problems, Oh dear. Cup of tea anyone?
Dear Mr Pickles, Your mum.
When they come here & see what a mess New Labour made of this country, they`ll soon turn back & run.
SO only 28 million can come here. Well that's a relief !
Its a carefully thought out plot . If you saw the documentary on the Plague in the middle ages less people meant workers could bargain for better wages and conditions.The Rich lost a lot of their power over those who had essentially been slaves. Now the rich arrange for the country to be flooded with those who will work for nothing & will live and work in poor conditions. Because there are fewer jobs we cant strike or move to another employer. & with so many people in such a small space we could not possibly "live of the land". We rely on those at the top to allow us food and jobs if we are lucky, , there is no other option. No wonder they keep telling us we must breed to pay for pensions etc , even though that is a never ending cycle that logically can not work.
NIGEL! Your country needs you - NOW!
Pickles is not A TYPICAL TORY He is a TYPICAL IDIOT.
When are we ever going to have a government in this country that ACTUALLY listens to the people they are supposed to represent.
Lamp post near you soon......
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public officials inside them.
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public official inside them.
It`s like Labour`s figure for the Polish coming here I expect! What was it? Ten thousand? How many actually turned up? Over a million? Funny thing! I`ve just joined UKIP!
Aw, I just love Eric! I want to give him a big cuddle.
WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!!!!! This is why the Government are stopping Child allowance and taking our winter fuel bills away, Not for us, but to pay for what is about to happen Can any one save us from going bust!
So it has to be scarily gigantic then - just like all the other past influxes.
For goodness sake just show some backbone and either block them or put a cap on the number. Just how many of these people will settle in Germany, France, Italy? I do not think any will be allowed.
They had better hurry up and get there passports ready before the poles take up all the new social housing that is being built in Devonport .
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really.
What ever the figure is it will be wrong, they always are. It started with the 1948 British Nationality Act which gave every person in the Common Wealth the right to reside in the mother nation. Given that we boasted that we ruled over a quarter of the worlds population this was a massive fail. Rather than admit to this we were told that it was good for the nation; same old spiel.
I have an estimate too: 1 million minimum
There's 28 million of them. Count on most of them arriving here with their hands out for freebies. Makes you so proud to be British, doesn't it? Work hard, contribute to the system and then stand back and watch the government hand it over to ex-Communists who wouldn't know an honest day's work if it jumped up and bit them. I hate what these traitors are doing to our country....UKIP is the last hope.
> 0 = To many.!
They know hundreds of thousands will come, but will do absolutely nothing to stop it. How many hundres of millions in benefits will it cost, how many houses will they move in to, free of charge? This country is a laughing stock.
For Teresa, Cape Town:......and you have Sumba, who spent £17 million of our £19 million aid package on a house complex for his family.
There is only one word to describe this government and the last lot, Traitors the lot of them, and methinks it is time for a revolution, one where dismiss the government for acting against this countries intrests, and puting UKIP in power..!!!!!
About 12,000 a year isn`t it...................that`s the lie what Blunkett told us before Nu-Liebour let in 3 to 4 million.
When he gives his speach on friday . This is a point that MUST be addressed .
- chassa 1 , essex, 14/1/2013 17:59====With a bit of luck some of them will be teachers of English - you certainly need some help with yours!
The Nasty Party have destroyed our once great country,vote UKIP the people's party and end this madness
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy. - peterappleby21 , Amsterdam, 14/1/2013 16:30 ............................................................................. not too late to do anything , they aren't here yet ,this plan like every other plan by the failed EU can be reversed , all that is needed is a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the present government ,they can be dismissed as not acting in the countries best interest . Now your comment is correct they are aiming to change the national identity and face of what was known as GB to achieve their own aims of staying in the EU , eventually parliament will be abolished and everything will be handled by the renamed NWO in Germany ,the army,the laws ,everything, this country will be yet again renamed ,i can't go any further because of "certain" issues concerning "certain" elements of the society. but im sure you know who i mean.
Yes, I saw the interview and laughed and laughed!!! The people who run this country of ours should be locked up, and while we're at it, the last lot too!
DOES IT MEAN PRICES ACROSS THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO INCREASE AND OUR PENSIONS CUT TO GIVE ALL THESE SCROUNGING IMMAGRANTS HOUSES AND BENIFITS THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TOO, OR MAYBE OUR HARD WORKING MP'S GOING TO TAKE A CUT IN WAGES OR EVEN GIVE UP A FEW OF THERE PERKS OR EVEN STOP ALL THERE FIDDLING ON EXSPENCES. ANSWERS PLEASE BECAUSE I CANNOT MAKE UP MY MIND WHICH IT WILL BE.
Please resign Dave and take your Eton cronies with you. The country is looking in desperation for a competent leader who will put its own citizens before the rest of the world.
This is the guy who claimed that he needs special treatment by taxpayers because he has to have a second taxpayer funded home near to the House of Commons cos he has to get to work in the morning - not a bit like the THOUSANDS of people who under sheer hell getting into London, to their jobs from points as far away as Swansea and Hartlepool. Why can they not also have taxpayer funded second homes in London. AT LEAST THEY ARE PAYING TAX, I BET MR PICKLES PAID A LOT LESS TAX THAT HIS TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSEHOLD CLEANER DID LAST YEAR?
I don't get it. During the last Parliament there were countless DM readers going on about voting UKIP, but it all melted away when the actual general election happened and they did not even get one MP. So what I am seeing here is nothing more than hot air from readers that don't put their votes where their mouths are. The country is already trashed anyway thanks to the Liberal elite that now dominate all main parties.
Thanks to the wonderful EU they may well have the right to come over here but is it not about time we put some restrictions on place i.e. they should hae a job in situ? they should have somewhere to live? they should even perhaps have private medical insurance? It's not the fact they will be coming over here, its the fact they will come over here and drain our benefits system, NHS, Schools, Doctors, Dentists...... etc. etc. etc!
Stop what our servants are doing to us now----this is dictatorship get out of it now you lot, and come on you Brits lets give UKIP a fair chance.
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting for Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12 But they don't have any discernible policies; and even if they did, they would change them at whim anyway. The governments work for themselves, and not the people.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12>>>That is very true, we took the word of a politician. there is a saying fooled once shame on those who did the fooling, fooled twice shame on you. has anybody else noticed the difference between shame and sham. There is only e difference however sham means that something which is different from what it appears to be. That is also the definition of CMD Camoron. he is different from the truth telling politician who he purports to be.
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy.
More brilliant publicity for UKIP!
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in.
Beyond belief that ,either Cameron really does not "get it"OR pretends he does not.
It's not the actual number that is the problem, it's WHY they come here?--If our Government were to adhere to the SAME conditions as the rest of the EU, then they would be spread out in the EU? But no, as usual, the British has to go by the word to word meaning of the EU constitution? And obey all the rules of such? Maybe, the media should tell us and our politicians what the other countries requirements are in respect of Housing, benefits etc.
Whoever is responsible for this dying of Great Britain should be hung drawn and quartered.There is going to be a whole lot of trouble on our beloved green and pleasant land.Time to follow the French and take pride.
Marvellous when outsiders can see just what a mess this government is making of this country, CAMERON and PICKLES won't give us an estimare because they know only too well how many will be coming here but they are scared to tell us because they know it will certainly cause a riot. Instead of not giving us an estimate why not shut the gates and keep them out, stuff the EU and their permission for EU subjects to move as and where they want, our country is too overvrowded now without any more coming. The EU are taking our money and supposedly giving it to these less well off countries for support not for us to give money and for their people to come here and be kept here also. on our benefits system.
So you don,t want them, then stop all benefits immediately, make the system no more attractive than in other euro countries, then they would not come. At the same time it would save an enormous amount of money and help the ailing economy, it would also make the workshy element more prone to look for work if it was impossible to manage on hand outs from the government, its gone on to long and its one reason I don,t want to live in the UK anymore. Now then bring on the red arrows, but its the decent people who will suffer as usual in the UK. Also if its possible send my income tax back to me and you can keep your godammed winter fuel allowance.
Time for a second Peasants' Revolt (or should that be Plebians?).
I remember when Labour promised us that less than 15,000 Poles would move to this country and it turned out to be one and a half million! This is going to end in civil war!
You guys are so F....d. I don't like my government but yours is just off the charts.
Dave - the public in this so-called democracy do not want these people here, so DO SOMETHING!
I read a report there is 3 - 4 million wanting to come to the u.k but i think that is rather conservative!
is this ever going to stop?
Looks like UKIP will be surging again in the opinion polls...
This is truly frightening. I think seven figures is much more likely. So we need to build on millions of acres of countryside? Yes Minister that is clearly the only option. If the real solution is not instantly obvious to you then you are even more stupid than you look, sir. We are being RAPED. This is a crime! A crime against the Millions of hard working Britons out there that are just trying to get by. A Crime against the Millions of lives sacrificed over the last Century, to the cause of preserving our freedom and right to Govern our own country. This is truly tragic and will be the final nail in the coffin for Great Britain. It is talked about the world over, the fall of the once great nation of Great Britain. Well guess what, it hasn't finished yet.
If you build it- they will come. Well, we've built it, the Welfare State, that is, so they will come - in their hundreds of thousands- to get what WE have paid for!
This is a disgrace, why can't Cam and co listen to the British people, he seems to think we all love the joy of being in the EU..well we dont we all want OUT , are you deaf Cameron ? We cannot let 29 million in this small island. Vote UKIP.
Sorry They have no idea,but whatever it is you can be sure it will be vastly UNDERestimated.I will vote for whoever makes it illegal for them to come here,EU rules or not.We do NOT want a repetition of Blair's 'guesstimate ' about how many Poles would come here
I was listening to my local radio programme which threw out the question of "Immigration is it the biggest source of tension in Britain" in a phome in. THERE WAS A GUEST SPEAKER WHO WAS INVITED TO GIVE HIS OPINION. He was badgered by the presenter who wanted to have his views put over and not those of the guest. The presenter even threatened the guest with being cut off. The guest prevailed and was allowed to answer the question put to him. PETER HITCHENS was more than a match for the presenter but anyone else phoning in would not have come off so lightly. With the BBC so bigoted and racist against it's own people, what chance have we got?
There is no political advantage to be gained by releasing estimated figures. The last EU expansion saw the last 'shower' in Government release figures suggesting that we would all be 'swamped' with Polish immigrants which turned out to be not only totally false, but, as it turned out, those who did arrive soon found gainful employment with employers who praised their 'work ethic'. The only figures the government would not release are those of British Citizens who have availed themselves of the freedom of movement within the EU who have become thoroughly sick to death of this country and have moved to former Eastern European Countries and have made a small fortune in areas such as IT in places such as Lithuania. Not the sort of stories the Press are interested in though is it?!.
Whatever the figure is, you can bet it will be a gross underestimate - just like the couple of thousand Poles that were going to come here. Try telling that to Peterborough and all other cities over that way.
It will lead to massive civil unrest - haven't they learnt anything from the mass uncontrolled immigration free for all we have all witnessed these last few years. What benefits will the Bulgarian and Romanian mass immigration bring to the UK. Are these people highly skilled in occupations we desperately need? Or will ( like here) we just see an influx of Romanian big issue sellers, car washers, taxi drivers and beggars.
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism. - Kev57, Reading, 13/1/2013 17:32 So should we send them all to your house to live then? You can't say no even if you do not have the space or means to support them as under your own judgement you would be classed a rascist would you not?
Civil war is in the pipeline Delusional Dave....and when it comes there will be no hiding places - even abroad. The British people will not forgive this betrayal and it is inevitable extremists will gain platforms. Have we learned so little from the precursors to WW2 ? UKIP the only sane alternative.
The trouble is even if we all vote UKIP in 2015, all these Romanians and Bulgarians will already be here , and wont be going nowhere, the same with all the rest from the EU. I think Dave Cam should start packing now, because there is no way he will be back in NO 10 in 2015. VOTE UKIP .
Coming to your town soon.........an accordian player outside each shop, beggars, thieves, robbers muggers by the ton. Racist ? Maybe. Factual ?....yes.
How can they allow anybody else into this country when there aren't enough jobs for the people already living here! Whether they have a right to travel here or not, they have got to be stopped.
I feel that the revolution is getting nearer! People can only take so much before they snap.
The interview with Mr Pickles was an insult to our intelligence .No answers , just the same old exscuse for every question. Why does Andrew Neill bother with these people ? I know the programme is called Sunday Politics , but,do me a favour,and bring on someone that speaks the truth..As for the problem with accomadation for the Rumanien and Bulgarien "immigrants" , a lot has to be built , most important ,however, will be a couple of Prisons. Just check out the Prison population in most European countries.
This will be the final straw for EUROPEAN membership, ukip here I come Pl
You can see how the govt is preparing for it, they are going to build super jails. We are just a penal colony for europe's criminals. It looks like we will have to protect ourselves because it's obvious the law won't be able to, it does'nt now.
They DON'T HAVE A CLUE - NO IDEA. The poor hard-working decent people of the UK are well and truly being BLED DRY. There are MILLIONS of Bulga/Roamins planning to come to the UK; MILLLIONS who will need HOUSING, will need SCHOOL PLACES, will need to use our INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. All of us who voted for the present and previous load of Traitors have allowed this to happen. The Only Way is UKIP. We have to get back CONTROL of our borders; control of those who are in the UK; and return to FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Return to what our parents and grand-parents fought two World Wars for - FREEDOM. For the sakes of our children and grand-children we CANNOT let this destruction of our country continue. BE BRAVE - be optimistic - and join, support and VOTE UKIP. It is OUR FUTURE at stake.......
I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' Mr Pickles was quoted as saying by the Telegraph. The thought of Mr P making a pubic pronouncement has put me off my lunch.
Here's an idea: Australia has a big land mass & a small population. So why not ask them to take in all Real British people (including the Crown; Armed forces etc) ; then we could give Independence to Scotland & Wales. We could then leave England open and see how long it takes the migrants to turn this once Great land into little Zimbabwe. We wouldn't then care - as we settle into New Great Britain (the latest state within Aussie).
Cameron and his ilk need cheap labour and this is the way . The chattering classes won't mind when the Romanian plumber fixes their combi boiler on Easter Monday for 58 pence . You reap what you sow and you Brits revelled in the cheapness of everything in the last 15 years , from your inflated house prices to your call center mortages , nothing was of real value and you suckers lapped it up like council estate boys in an Amsterdam knocking shop . You're doomed , enjoy the ride it's a long way down !
This is great news. Welcome to Britain!
Not sure why anyone would want to come here. Welfare payments are less easy to get, and they have been severely cut for all needy people who are residents of the UK. Jobs are non-existant, and elderly folk are threatened with lower pensions and expensive care packages. There will probably be lots of room, because huge numbers of youngsters with good degrees and no job prospects, are seriously considering leaving Britain, and finding a future overseas. This is the sad result of the Coalition's 'bull in a china shop' stampede to throw the baby out with the bath water. I do not recognise the country which I have lived in for eighty years since this government came into power. I assure this is not meant as a compliment! Pat.
Ban their caravans.
How about charging them a huge entrance fee ? if they're that desperate then they'll pay up.
OUT NOW!!!
Whatever the figure the goverment has, you can double and multiply four times, they will come in the millions, the first to arrive will phone back home telling how ,by just turning up in britain you are given a place to live,heating lighting food clothing and spending money,they will initally think that these accounts are wildly exaggerated who would be that stupid they will say,the land of milk and honey is not a biblical myth it is now in this land.
Ban all EU nationals OUTSIDE the UK from ALL benefits, NO free homes, no welfare, no hospital care etc. Then see how many come. I bet only a few will come if they needed TRAVEL health insurance & if they had to FULLY support themselves! Sadly next year we are likely to see at least 2 MILLION MORE people flood into the UK fleece our welfare & NHS & get free homes etc, while the UK taxpayers to pay this money are screwed! I am looking to go to New Zealand where they want skilled people who can SPEAK ENGLISH & new Zealand does NOT allow floods of immigrants to fleece their welfare system
Lets bring in a few more people who have paid nothing into the system and of course with human rights will get everything but if you have paid in all your working life you get the bare minimum.
this is more than likely the reason the government is manipulating(undirect dictate) through common purpose tactics the single people to leave their 2 bed rented accommodation? the government will need them for the huge influx of foreigners. its a counter reformation of britain by stealth! by you know who? those who have tried for the last 400 years to reform britain!
Cameron and Co don't want you to know it's perfectly legal to stop this.They could state that the numbers expected are so high it would constitute a national crisis.The doors shut not in the national interest he would tell the EU if he had the balls.
There may be trouble ahead....
Don't know, Don't care, and powerless to do anthing about it.
The propaganda from Labour about immigration from Poland was 14,000 expected (several hundred thousand actually came), so whatever it will be for Bulgaria and Romania (if Cameron/Pickles ever tell us) we can safely add a couple of noughts to the end of that.
The Coalitian Government have no common sense, why do we not have a Government post: Head of Common Sense - a person who can really think from the point of view of the people of this Country. Dave, I'm free, I may be a 50 something Mum from a secondary modern on a rough ol' council estate but I have common sense a plenty and can tell you now, this idea is a wrong'un. Somebody else said lets riot, whilst I do not agree with that it could be coming, Dave, look around you, there is an awful lot of people who are unhappy, and being pushed closer to the edge. Last time was theyoung on the riot, next time it could be worse and I do not think the ever deminishing thin blue line will be able to cope!! Have the newly elected Police Commissioners got a contingency plan for full scale riot when we sometimes just have a dozen bobbies on duty on a Friday night? If it does kick off it will be at night. Dave, Nick, no common sense!! Work it out. Have a chat with somebody with somebody, please
Yet again we are 'hoovereing' up the dross of Europe.Surely bring our troops from Afghanistan and station them at EVERY point of entry to MY country.These soldiers of ours KNOW how to deal with this menace.
I think we should get rid of work shy Brits and keep the eastern europeans, they have a far better work ethic and would be much more beneficial to our economy.
Simply has to be stopped. The figure will be in the millions - we already know that from when Poland joined (and Bliar said about 13000 were expected!). This is a disaster and may well prove a step too far for the people of this country (or at least those that remember how it used to be).
How much more are we going to concrete over, before we have finished?
Simple - shut the boarders.....want to come to the U.K. then apply through a means test similar to that of Australia and Canada (for example) - not rocket science is it?
We know that you don't know, we also know that you deliberately haven't bothered to find out, we also know that if you did know you wouldn't tell us anyway, the electorate are just mushrooms for politicians to pile you know what on.
So what are they bringing to the table ? - me here , London, 14/1/2013 12:29 I have the answer, nothing. Nothing except crime, disease & scrounging.
Don't worry, they'll all leave when the country needs building up again.
British people are known for being calm and reasonable - what is happening in their country is beyond reason and in the not too distant future there is going to be trouble - it will be while the Brits are a majority as this is changing fast !
the easyist solution is to stipulate NO benefits NO housing it is not upto britain to help these people we need to help our own people, the influx will be overwhelming our services are at bursting point now,what cant the idiot politicos not see this
May as well throw in the towel now. We have about as much say as a North Korean
how many will come ? simple, most of the ones who arent here already
oh anyones welcome here. we are the skip of the world!!
Conservative voters have already got the message they are flocking to UKIP in their droves. It is the Labour voters that you have to convince. If you want change you must vote for change - do not vote for Lib/Lab/Con. Change is required, change your voting habits and give UKIP a chance.
Why can't we stop them? We have no accommodation for them, there are no jobs for them, and we can't afford to support them. There is no way they should be allowed to come here, in addition, a large number of those already here should be sent back. Another vote for UKIP.
Great! More people to tell to FO when they ask me for money.
I would estimate ... 28 million.
That's frightening me! How about you?
So what are they bringing to the table ?
kick them all out assoon as they come here we do not want them and we want out the pathetic eu the UK is great keep it that way
The previous predictions were a con by the lying Labour goverment. Do what is right for OUR COUNTRY. Extend the restrictians.
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.- Riff , London, 14/1/2013 11:41>>>>>I think you are absolutely 100% correct....and when an uprising does come these people will have no loyal commitment or support for the UK at all.
Mr Pickles there is no confusion just don't allow it!! simples
A million more reasons to quit the EU
There are nearly 3000 comments on this subject in the Telegraph online. I think Cameron should read the comments in the media and realise just how much the people of this country really think of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason why we need a referendum NOW...
Close the borders now, we are full.
Stupidity, plain stupidity. We can't cope with what we have now, yet we're going to let more in? The mind boggles at the stupidity of it.
Even more ATM's being robbed then I take it! No houses for our people, but we'll find £500,000 houses for not uk folk. DC you should be ashamed.
The writing is on the wall...........in a not too distant future there will be war, revolt and an uprising on a scale never seen before......oh, and I wonder where the politicians and royals will be found then? Tick tock......tick tock........tick, tick tock...................BANG!
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites
For God's sake when are the British people going to rise up and say enough ! take to the streets like people do in other Countries, don't let them do this to us it's got to stop it can't go on they are destroying this Country and we are standing by and letting them.
And of course each one will be entitled to vote once they are registered on the electoral roll, which will mean NO chance of escaping the EU..... EVER!!
I think that we should not worry about it they will just flood in take our jobs and houses and if the social dont give it to them they will steal the then return home with the swag just as the boxing ref says defend youself at all times!
Some how this type of nonsense has to stop!! We have no room for them, We certainly do not need them, We do not have sufficient work for our work force now, 800 jobs just gone in Swindon, 2000 from Jessops also means that we we can ill afford them. So come on British government stop them Now
Well, if it is going to cause problems in the UK and other European countries do something about it!!!
This will affect middle class politicians not a jot. It is the working class though who will be expected to live side by side with these people, and who will have to contend with the crime, rising housing costs and competition for manual jobs. I'm giving up on the Conservatives, if it has to get worse before it gets better, so be it.
Philip Hollobone is my MP and he is a good one. He is right to be fearful as Kettering is one of the towns noticing an influx of Poles etc. over the last few years. Where will all these people go? What about schools and hospitals and other services? It is complete madness and something should be done by this spineless government before Jan 2014 before they all start arriving here.
It's dead easy - don't give them a house and no hand outs!
They will probably just leave someone to switch off the lights - be prepared and assume 29m from one and 10m from the other.
Vote UKIP to get rid of this lot and the rest
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.
I can't have any respect for a Politician who has so little self control over what he eats...
If the Conservatives permit this influx they are dead in the water at the next election. Stop this now . It will be detrimental to the country in every sense. Economic migration is destroying the framework of our society. UKIP will gain substantial support if this is allowed to happen. If we did not give benefits and free housing to all and sundry this would not happen. Wake up Britain.
Do not make this to happen start building your resources now you stupid goverment do not let the horse to bolt close the gate before it does stupid fools the GOVERMENT.
we are a minoroity in our own country as it is..CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW...
Probably it will be measured in millions, what dumb fools we are represented by in our so called democracy.Cameron should tell the EU that we are not open anymore to another massive influx.That should set the ball rollling in his so called renegotiation of our terms of membership. Remember when the start gun was fired for the last wave Labour estimated ten thousand but it resulted in millions with whole cities being emptied in Poland. Your children and grand children are the real ones at risk and nobody in government appears to care a damm.
Why does Britain let everyone in?? - Karen, Oklahoma, USA, 13/1/2013 18:23 BECAUSE WE HAVE A QUISLING GOVERNMENT, WHO BOW TO EVERY DEMAND MADE BY THEIR LORDS AND MASTERS IN THE EU. ANY NUMBER CAN COME INTO THIS COUNTRY FROM EUROPEAN STATES, LIVE,WORK [ or claim the dole] AND CLAIM SICK BENEFIT, PENSIONS THAT WE HAVE WORKED A LIFETIME TO PAY FOR THIS BENEFIT. gizzie soton
Another flood for the benefits system to maintain (YOU the taxpayer). Many public services are collapsing now due to the strain of too many people. How difficult would it be to just say no.
I've just been on the epetitions site and only 52 people have signed in the last hour. Lots of whinging and no action - sign the petition people and get this debated in Parliment before it's too late!
In a best case scenario you can triple any number they do put out, personally I think there will be over a million of them arriving, not 300'000. This is going to destroy the country.
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
It will not just put a strain on the housing market. It will place an unacceptable strain upon and damage the NHS, our Council provided services, Schools ad infinitum. Enough is enough! Out of this monstrosity driven by Communist zealots!
very well said Sohiel.. the uk is done for last british out..close the door.......................".I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!" - Sophiel , Dorchester, 14/1/2013 10:50
How many more can this little island take? isn.t it about time we closed our doors and put the full sign up! Why doens't the UK take a leaf out of Australia'sbook. Enough is enough surely!!
I'm a landlord; YAY!
And Cameron says: 'the beating heart of Britain wants to stay in the EU' ! Yeh, right!!!! Isn't nearly 60 million enough??
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
If Spain can stop them - why can't we ? and if Mr Pickles doesn't know how many - well - plan for 30 million.
can you imagine what the UK will be like in a few years if we don't get out of the EU
There are 11 months left to make certain it doesn't happen. ACT NOW!
If you are British born and bred you are discriminated against by all governing parties in this country, from councils to No 10. UKIP is needed now more than ever to put us back where we belong to a great britain, not an EU britain.
For Gods sake, get a grip and don't let them in..............simple!
Mr Cameron, you are the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Please don't again say your hands are tied and there's nothing you can do, you have 12 months. Stop worrying about upsetting other European leaders, it wont be them paying their benefits.Don't just put your head in the sand like others before you. Now would be a good time to DO something, not 2013 .
Simple answer...don't let them in!
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
"We, the elected government of Gt. Britain, neither understand nor control the effects of our EU membership." - Signed, E. Pickles, Minister.
Another mess we find ourselves in. And there seems no way out of it for the little man in the street. Of course the big bosses will do well as they will be able to pay lower wages due to the ever increasing workforce. With the ever increasing profit margine the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Remember, we are a democracy. We do have a say in this otherwise autocratic country once every fives years. Vote UKIP. Give them a chance. We really dont have anything to lose. We have lost already.
We want none, Zero , Zilch coming to our country and immediately claiming housing health care and benefits!!
The job of the British government is to look after the British people. It is not their job to look after Bulgarians and Roumanians. LEAVE THE EU!
Stop all benefits to incomers until they have been here five years and kick out all those who have made themselves cosy at our expense and don't comply. Then we will have the housing the taxpayers have paid for and enough money to look after pensioners and our own people who have fallen on hard times.
At 65 (or whatever) will these people all receive old age pensions ?
Yes they do know..... They've calculated how many more they need to effect the voting results and Brussels has told them how many more they "must" accept........... What they have NOT calculated is precisely how many more will be required before something finally gives and violence erupts on the streets......... But then, for their beloved Gross Europa, they think the risk is worth it.
Not a cheep from the Tories friends in big business of course - the CBI, the IOD, BCC, etc -- they are all for it.... because it brings in yet another huge pool of cheap labour for them to use, while undercutting/keeping down the wages of the homegrown workforce. And of course, they don't have to pick up the bill for housing, eduction, health (that is down to you and I, the hardpressed taxpayer).
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!
"We don't know" - priceless! These people are elected to govern, and they just haven't got a clue. They keep on getting elected though, Tory and Labour - so there must be some truth in the saying that 'you get a government you deserve.'
Eric Pickles is being honest. Blair & Brown as we now know, were liars.
We dont want more houses, we want less people. Extend the exclusion deadline by at least five years.
The answer to the problem is easy "NONE"
Our lousy government has chattered about this for years. It is nearly here now and guess what our useless 'leaders' are doing........yup, more chattering.
And they wonder why UKIP are second only to Labour in the polls?......................what amazes me more than anything is that there are still sheeple out there who are prepared to vote for a discredited, dishonest and treasonous Labour party who got us in this mess in the first place!
so lets get this right a government minister knows it will cause problems but will still allow it to happen. as far as not revealing estimates its all lies ,lies,lies,we have been here before with labour and there estimation of 13,000 poles arriving which they knew was going to be way off these lot are no different,different suits different party same lies,at least we know why they need to churn up the countryside for houses,so what are the people going to do about it,sit back and just take it
Why is it going to cause problems for Social Housing? Does everyone who arrives in this country automatically get housed? Why not just pay for their fares to come here as well. Does every other EU country automatically house incomers from member EU States?
All comes down to being in the EU. We are told to open our borders and we obey. We do get people who want to work but most are the dregs of their countries who are after free housing,benefits and crime opportunities.They will all be entitled to child benefits and no doubt will be claiming for numerous fictional children back home while our benefits are being cut. Being British is now a disadvantage thanks to the EU,BLAIR,CAMERON,CLEGG and MILLIBRAND. UKIP!!!!! is the answer.
There will be millions, and they will all have their hands out. Madness.
EU rules cannot prevent them from coming into Britain. However, any benefits which are paid by the State should be deducted from our contributions to EU funding.
Haven't we got enough problems with unemployment levels, housing shortages, over crowded hospitals & schools, without allowing free entry to possibly millions more people? Sign the government e petition to stop this now.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - Captain Zologog , Atlantis, United Kingdom, 14/1/2013 09:37 --> Really? Have you ever actually met any?
We are being pushed to a point when verbal action ceases to be any use and the use of force is the only alternative, this reaction is placed firmly on the shoulders of our government who totally ignore the wishes of the people who elected them.
@captain zologog...Rumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet...:Maybe, in Rumania, but the hoards we will get here will be either on the run from their own justice system or looking to languish in comparitive luxury via our wonderful benef
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - said one poster. I suspect that your comments are correct - but what the hell has such a fact got to do with our country being overloaded: both financially, socially?
No jobs for the English, no decent reasonably priced housing for low paid English workers but we are letting more in from other countries. Some of the new ones will be of the poorest and uneducated so that means benefits for them. I agree with the ex-pat from Spain, unless you can show that you have either the money to keep yourself for six months or have a skill the UK needs ...then you don't get into the UK. Simple really. What is wrong with us that allow this to happen.....we are the fools.
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage. - Irene Pedder , London, 14/1/2013 09:35 Brits do buy houses in Europe, they just don't get given them. Thats the difference
There is no more room for roomanians,the country is bulging so we dont need any more bulgarians,the country does,nt need or want these people hurry up and vote to get free of this joke called the european community,more like communistly! Come on dodgy Dave get a spine
You all know the answer........Join UKIP and vote for them!
These new arrivals won't to be able to afford houses anyway, and most will shack down in converted garages, sheds and illegal new constructions in the back gardens of friends and relatives who are already here, Britain's new 'shanty towns' which are springing up everywhere. Please don't use this as an excuse to allow your rich mates in the building industry to cover the British countryside with concrete, Mr Pickles. It just won't wash!
Wilfred my boy I can tell you now. They will be arriving in droves. They are packing already to enter the land of Milk and Honey. And benefits of course. Wise up.
Why are you all moaning? Do you possibly think it's going to make a difference? The wheels have been in motion for some time now and this is just the beginning. If you are fortunate enough to be able to emigrate...get on with it or shut up!
Not, if we don't let them in.
The rules in other EU countries require them to have sufficient funds to support themselves for three months while they seek employment. After that if unsuccessful they are expected to leave. (Then they come to Benefits Britain).
Where can all true Brits go to get away from this nightmare ? We want our own island again ,we want to welcome people wo are welcome , not every Tomas , Ricardo and Ari !!
We don't know how many, but however many there are, they should get NO, that's NO financial help from us to stay here. NO council houses, NO benefits, NO work allowance.
I never thought that we would get a more useless government than the last Liebour lot, but Billy Bluster and his friends have proved me totally wrong.
here in spain you have to prove to the authorities that you have an income of approx 6000 euros per annum and full private medical insurance per person to be allowed to stay past 3months, whether you are working or not, got my residence just before christmas cost 11 euros. Why can't Britain do the same so incomers will not be a burden on the state??????
Don't get me started.....just DON'T get me started !
, anyone who loves this country has to vote ukip, they are the only party that can stop this insanity
Defy the EU and don't let anyone from these countries in!
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet
Well they've got 10 months to legislate to stop it happening. Dont let any in!
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage.
All can claim every benefit going no doubt.
You don't want to do that, and live all the uk dirty and all the unwanted jobs unfilled, and no more profits from converting your homes into crowded dorms.....lol
We are now being softened up to accept building on our green belt land and areas of natural beauty just to accommodate these people. We have no jobs for them so under EU rules we have to pay benefits. What is the point of all this? We are already seeing our whole British culture being destroyed. A lot of these problems could be removed by a complete withdrawal from the EU but I am beginning to think that our Politicians are too incompetent or too frightened to step outside their comfort zone. It may give us fresh problems but at least we would have our own identity once more.
Close our borders now - out of EU.
They are not coming for the jobs because there aren't any, no houses either so thats not the reason, they also are not welcome by probably the majority of people, so why are they coming, it cant possibly for the benefits can it?
This is just sheer lunacy!! The housing and infrastructure crisis the country faces has been caused solely by unrestricted immigration and whatever politicians estimate to be the likely immigration figures from Bulgaria and Rumania, just multiply by 100 to arrive at the actual figure. This is what happened under Blair and Brown with earlier forecasts, and the scale of deceit has been breathtaking. The Conservatives are just standing by and letting it happpen without a whimper. Even though Eric Pickles is putting up some sort of token protest the spineless Cameron will do exactly nothing to challenge his EU masters.
With three million people unemployed and a housing shortage we need to be reversing Labours horrific opening of the floogates not making things even worse.
There is no doubt that the EU is very good for some but I have my doubts as to whether there are any benefits for ordinary Britons.
This country has had it everyone pack up we are all off to russia .
Well you could always do what every other EU member seems to do - tell them that they can come BUT you don't get free housing/medical/school/ benefits and of you don't get self sufficient in 3 months then back you go! Why do we feel we have to house and look after EVERYONE!
The government tries to think of ways to take benefits off of the British who really need it, like DLA and childrens centres...so they can hand it back out to the feckless of Europe
What is there to say, except VOTE UKIP? If you vote Conservative, Labour or LIb Dems, anyone in the EU can steal your job or home.
Big problem is the rich Tories and aristocracy are the ones who benefit most from the huge bank of cheap labour. T hats because of the extra low wages they pay, which means the rest of us (the taxpayer) have to subsidise them.
Simple enough...just tell the EU that as we have no properties available for our present population, the UK is putting on another delay on immigration into the UK until we do have enough properties, or is it just a case of our govt not allowed to impose this delay....if so time to have a referendum so the public can have a say, and at the same time giving our spineless leaders a mandate from the people of this nation..... we can't have our govt. giving a few falkland island voters a referendum on their own destiny and refuse the same to millions of voters in the UK.
When is this madness going to end?
VOTE UKIP AND WE CAN STOP IT. I HAD RESPECT FOR PICKLES BUT HE IS ALL WIND AND NO ACTION JUST LIKE THE REST IN POWER -------UKIP UKIP UKIP -------I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK
The ineffectual,useless weakling Cameron OUT !. UKIP IN !
Living next door to some of these people is just hell, it's like living in a slum 50 years ago. Totally dreading it.
Reverse colonisation. Didnt see anyone complaining when the UK was plundering other countries.
Stop I now , while we just about have time . What about pressure on the hospitals , doctors , schools etc ??. And as for the benefits , we must apply the same rules that the rest of the EU does, if you have not paid in , you don't get paid out , it's as simple as that .
This country makes its own problems! They welcome everyone in with open arms, gives them money, a home and health care. Would we get any of that if we moved abroad to any other EU country? NO WAY! Stop giving these people a free ride, that is why they come!
Can i just say that 1 is too many,,, we do not have the Housing , Schools not long ago were axed, hospitals are closing, The Single Common Market was for Trade of Goods not People
It isnt just houses, education NHS will be on their knees. crime especially pickpocketting will spiral. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL GOVERN NOT A SPINELESS SOFTLAD WHO PICKS ON PENSIONERS AND THE DISABLED.
I thought children were already being schooled in makeshift sheds and the homeless were already sleeping under bridges. We have a three bed room terrace, lets invite 10 000 people to the party.
Why should we provide houses for them. If I emigrated to France, Spain, Italy or any other eu country, would they provide me with a house??? I don't think so.
Tell us something we don't know.
We are sitting back and letting this happen...its a social disaster waiting to happen...do something NOW! Were sitting here making comments to the DM when we should be outside Parliament demanding change! We need to "0ccupie" our own country now before its too late - W@ke up W!se up R15e Up....Vote UKIP!
Spain has stopped them going there - so we shoudl do the same - otherwise we are concreting over the countryside to house foreigners - why?
I work full time, claim no benefits at all, pay tax and can't get social housing because theres non available. What have I done wrong for my country to treat me so badly, I just sit and cry sometimes.
Vote ukip
I suspect mr pickles is even more concerned where his next meal is coming from!
Bulgaria is 7 million people. I completely understand how you are feeling but I honestly think the damage has already been done. It is not wise to judge nations and stereotype and pigeon hole humans . We are all Europeans more or less we share the same values . Think when Europe will no longer be calling the shots.
I'd be willing to pay higher taxes to integrate these striving immigrants, in the name of EU solidarity. Its only right that as a richer EU member we do our bit for the poorer ones, just as Germany helps us out with its manufacturing might.
More Romani pickpockets. Oh dear. Well, I say more, but there's probably just as many sneaking in through the net anyway...
Not difficult to work out, complete population of one plus two = three.
No English. No Money. No Home. No Job..............................NO ENTRY.
Well thanks for spending our money on benifits and houseson imegrants. We can't get a house but if I come from EU I will have one build for me great.
Mr Pickles I can tell you, any more than one, his to many, put up the shutters, the place his FULL.
Prepare for flood ! You have no idea what will happen .
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
For a start the govenment needs to get rid of the people who are not entitled to live here and should only allow in people who can contribute and are willing intergrate into the British way of life. JD.
The governments estimate will be similar to their Polish estimate. They will no doubt spout forth that " maybe as many as 150 to 160 Romanians will come and about 15 to 20 Bulgarians. That's just our estimate you understand? There should not be any more than that?"
425,000 expected? That should read FOUR MILLION AT LEAST. VOTE UKIP AND END THIS EU MADNESS.
Bulgaria is 7 million. Get your facts right and the damage to your country has already been done. We are not the threat - nether the Romanians are.Negativism and hatred towards whole nations is the path to self-destruction. Have more respect for countries and people you know nothing of ...
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
It's more than likely the criminals and con artist spongers will come. They are the only ones who can afford it, the rest of the countries are too poor!
Well Mr Pickles, if you do not know how many, set an acceptable number and limit it to that. Don't worry about too many coming as by 2015 we will be out of the EU and exporting most of these unwelcome benefit tourists back to their wonderful continental home.
I think Eric Pickles does care, but he cannot express a view because it will result in a slap of the wrist from Cameron. So come the 31st December this country will be obliged to allow possibly 100's of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians to come into this country, with access to housing and state welfare benefits. This is absolute madness and can not be allowed to happen. If Cameron thinks the people of this country will put up with this, he is mistaken.This country must leave the EU before this happens. Vote UKIP.
After watching that interview with Andrew Neil it shows the depth of incompetence or couldn't care less attitude by senior politicians within this government. What an absolute shower he and his sidekick,Nick Boles are.
We are not under any obligation to these people, if they have no job or anywhere to stay when they arrive here, then that is tough, we cannot keep building houses for new arrivals, we have not the space. They will just have to get in the back of the queue and take their chances. We need to show that Britain is not a soft touch and that life can be very tough here.
My response would be.....all of them!, and that's exactly what the Politicians want, nothing happens by accident.
Do something to stop it then. Why do we bother to elect a government in this country?
We will only how many plan to come when it is too late. I truly despair of the overcrowding in this country.
This county is utterly mad.... Who in there right minds would allow this .... We can't house, school or care for those here already !!! Ludicrous!!!!!
Seriously, what's it going to take to stop this?
About 2.5 Million Piko.
This simply can't be allowed to happen - are they crazy? The country is struggling enough without this as well!
Most countries have certain requirements for EU citizens to settle - they must be self supporting, requires certain groups to have health insurance and cannot access benefits- why can't Britain implement these rules?
THIS charade is yet ANOTHER good reason to exit Europe, we can then "grow up" and control our own borders.
Can someone tell me why they are being let in?? If you're not careful Cameron, you will have a country of foreigners because all the British people will emigrate!
Don t build on our beautiful countryside just to house these parasites.... don t let them in
I will tell you then,migrant's will come in droves,who would turn down the chance of a house to be had free health working tax credit,something unheard of when I left school in the sixties,if you wanted more money you had to work overtime in all 48 hours a week I enjoyed going to work and still do,it gives you get up and go.I do not blame them for coming here, if there was a country that did for migrant's what this country does I would go tomorrow.
Truly terrifying
Well just ignore the EU new rules and say no entry. What can they do that could possibly cost us more?
I know how many will come.....1 is too much. UKIP or nothing for me.
What is the point of making comment. Who listens to the man in the street, and more to the point if they did they have their own agenda. & ignore us.
There's no room at the Inn.
Why not have a six month waiting time before non-refugee immigrants can claim?
This is the reason we need a referendum on the EU. Britain does not need thousands possibly millions more immigrants, who have a reputation for crime, that we will be forced to admit because of EU regulations. We have millions unemployed in this country and an economy that is flatlining. We need to bring in restrictions to reduce dramatically the number of immigrants entering the UK from inside and outside the EU. Cameron has totally failed to get control of immigration and that will cost him dearly at the next election
If an estimated 425,000 settle here the actual figure will probably be twice that. While we are struggling to survive our taxes will be supporting these people. And imagine the pressure this will bring on the NHS as people come here for free treatment. It's utter madness. Can't something be done? Cameron said he was going to get tough with the EU so let's see some action.
this is stupidity at its worst.allowing millions of people into this tiny island. are politicians completly brain dead
Eric, you may not know how many Romanians and Bulgarians will come here but us, the British public do........thousands and thousands of them, so get working on stopping them now. Will someone in this Government please get a grip on immigration.......we don't want them here. Just get us out of the EU now......we don't care what the cost is.......just get us out. That's the only thing that will put DC back in No 10.
If we had a cap on immigration then they would know wouldn't they!! Another question which should be asked is WHY are they coming right across Europe to settle and find work in the UK. Could it be that we, at the moment, are more tolerant towards immigrants than any other country in Europe, plus we have the unemployment benefits system, and social housing for immigrants (but not our homeless)
No more please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do I move to?
Housing Market? Doesn't he mean "Squatters"?
We have to ask why our country is so attractive to immigrants given that it is slowly sinking beneath the waves.
The queen has 20,000 acres spare at Sandringham, why not put a few hundred low cost houses up there to house our foreign visitors?
Too many... Full stop...
Don't let them in then! If France can do it do can we!
Personally I welcome our brothers from the east, the more the merrier.
''MPs have previously warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move to these shores'' - - - - - - - - - they missed out these two important words - 'every year'.
So why don't they do something about it,they have known about this for a long time.
All of you who voted for a pro-EU or One Nation party at the last four General Elections should go to the cenotaph in your city, town or village, read the names and ages of the dead and bow your head in shame.
Time to act now before it is too late.
Our traitorous government is giving our country away to these people and we are just letting them do it. If a nation can't be bothered to defend it borders it probably deserves to be eradicated.
Tell Dave - stop talking and start walking. It's not just houses - it's bigger than that. People are getting a little short on patience with the queue and benefit jumping.
To say ' it will cause problems' is an understatement and I suggest your Government pulls its finger out and do something about it before there is massive trouble.
If they haven't got a home they can't settle.
Not just housing, think Schools, NHS, Dentists and without a doubt a lot of criminals, but my big question is how are we going to fund all this as well as the Benefits and eventually your PENSION.
Obviously the prime minister thinks that this is a good idea, otherwise he would do put a stop to it by giving the public a referendum.
No, and Pickles won't know how many there are after they arrive, either.
If I was a government minister these are the figures I would be looking at ; if 300,000 people came here and could n't find work they would be entitled to benefits which including housing , would be a minimum of £10,000 per year for each claimant .This would cost the country £ 3 billion and does not include health and other social costs.Of course these figures are only provisional, but whatever the outcome Britain will face enormous costs if this expected influx takes place.
Time to shut the Damn door.
Civil servants forecast 13,000 would arrive from Poland. 1 Million came. If they forecast 400,000 Romanians and Bulgarians , then number is more likely to be 5 Million+. Any you thought it couldn't get worse !!!!!!!
For goodness sake do something NOW .... the thought of another 420,000 + immigrants descending on this country is horrifying ....
Don't know, and Don't care more like, and powerless to do anything about it.
Why do Cameron and Milliband keep saying that its in our National interest to be in the EU? Our services will be stuffed if all those people come over! Vote for the only party who'll ever offer you a proper referendum UKIP.
Your comments: We dont want any of them. Its too small here - stay away
It would put pressure on rented housing, as the government continues to give huge tax breaks to landlords who leave their properties empty so there is no incentive for rental prices to drop. However there are plenty of people trapped in negative equity in the stagnant housing market so if any of these Bulgarians or Romanians can invest in property in the UK they might actually do some good in that sector.
Please STOP this madness.
Oh oof, just do the right thing and shut the gate, lock the back door and don't open the front door. We are full up already.
its not only housing, its schools, roads, doctors, and especially hospitals. All these people think they are entitled to free housing and free schools, free medical treatments and they haven't paid a penny into our system. Its a disgrace that this is being allowed to happen over and over again.
We do know how many to many just like back in 2004 when they came Time to stop them only way UKIP our country has already been destroyed
Complete madness to leave EU? This proves it is has to be in our interests to leave. We are well within our rights, as we have never been consulted on our membership of EU in it's present form
i give up , i wish i could escape this joke of a country , ukip all the way
God help us!
I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT BLOCK OF ABOUT 20 APARTMENTS AND IM THE ONLY IRISH PERSON HERE.. 1 IN 4 POLISH IN IRELAND ARE NOW LIVING ON WELFARE IM SURE ITS THE SAME IN THE UK IF NOT MORE.. GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THIS NEXT 'BATCH' ARRIVE !!!
He clearly failed to keep up his new year resolution. :P
We don't want any...... The country is too crowded with scroungers already.
Stop this now. Enough is enough. Have we not learned anything from 2004? We cannot cope with an endless trail of people coming here claiming benefits, taking up housing, filling our schools with their kids... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE'RE ALREADY FULL TO THE RAFTERS WITH POLISH WHO WE WERE TOLD WOULDN'T COME ALSO...GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THE ROMANIANS AND BULGARIANS ARRIVE ....AND COME THEY WILL...!!
Lets hope when they arrive that they all bring shedloads of money with them toi buy their homes and to pay for all their needs. Their lives are not our responsibility. We would not go to anyone elses county and expect their citizens to bankroll our lives.
Germany made the Poles wait seven years. Why is that not an option here or is the country once again being dictated to by employers and shareholders demanding the right to employ coolie labour?
Just watching program called being poor! Why are we letting in immigrants who draining this country, and government policies target British people as benefit scrounges and stupid middle class fools believe the drivel! Close are boarders!
Why should they be entitled to housing? or benefits? or any other freebies for that matter. When did any of them contribute to our welfare system? The sooner we are out the better.
another reason to quit the eu
Well an awfull lot won't bother if you don't give em benefits & council houses will they "Eric I don't go without a big Sunday dinner pickles" !!
There's a very simple answer to this. Take back control of our borders and decide to not let wave after wave of unrestricted immigration threaten an already very overpopulated island. In fact why don't we stop immigration 100% for say a year or so and use the time to sort out the backlog of cases that we already have and get rid of everybody who should not be here!
Go on Eric, have a guess. NuLab reckoned we would get less than 20,000 Polish, you can't be more wrong than them, surely!!!
it's already causing problems .... when are the government going to realise.action needs to be taken ... shut the doors now ....
We need to move whats left of our Army to Dover and all the other ports to keep these leeches out
''warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move'' You should multiply by 5. There are already about one milion Polish people here, and believe me live in Romania and Bulgaria is even harder than in Poland.
What is the point of making cutbacks and savings to get the country out of this mess, and then let in 450,000 who will not be skilled so they will be claiming benefits. The country cannot afford, we cannot house our own people never mind this lot, its time to say enough is enough. If Cameron does nothing to stop this all I can say he can say goodbye to another term in office. Now you know why people are turning to UKIP is it any wonder?
If it was I in power exactly ZERO!
And Cameron says we'd be mad to leave the EU!!!!!!
It's an on-going problem, and in reality we're not going to stop these influxes. it's time to nationalise the house building cartels and start constructing a million new homes a year until the problem's resolved.
Stop bloody letting them in then for heavens sake it's not rocket science
Leave the EU and stop immigration. This is the only way this country will be able to regain its wealth and rebalance its infrastructure to cope with its present excessive population.
1 from each country would be too many in my opinion, no wonder everyone wants out of the EU, immigration is probably the number one concern in this country, but David Cameron still does n't get it. I would be happy to stay in the EU if we got rid of Euro free movement and the human rights nonsense (thank you Bliar) , otherwise there really is no other choice, UKIP
This must be stopped before its to late. We are bursting point now!!!!!
Nice one :/ its going to be even harder for people to find jobs and homes! Why are you letting More in I really don't understand! Can't wait to get out of this grim over populated country one day!
I expect all the British 'Big Issue' sellers will earily dissapear, just like they did in Chester, and be replaced by Romanians. I wish old women would stop giving these people money.
we need OUT OF THE EU before this can happen! vote UKIP!
I predict a Major Civil Unrest in all parts of the UK in the not too distant future, the british people especially the young are getting seriously hacked off with this out of control immigration & before the red arrows appear i'm all for immigration but the sheer numbers coming to this small island is just unsustainable - we cannot afford the housing, medical care & the benefits for which i'm sure a great majority will be claiming. If we weren't so generous with handouts for the workshy & a spineless justice system which makes this a haven for criminals maybe this country wouldn't be such an attractive destination.
I'm sure some of the houses in Downing Street could be coverted into flats so some of the Roma could live there :o)
So they will be entitled to house with garden as soon as they come in? I have been working and paying taxes; yet I have been in the non priority register for how many years now(?) because I could not have children. Is that fair? Being a low income earner, I am forced to rent from a greedy landlady who needs her house more than the people she rented it out to. Can the present Condem govenment do something about who should be put in councils' housing priority list. Surely, when they troop in, it will further elongate how many years more I will have to stay in the non priority register. Will I ever get help? Lord Have mercy!
Stop the coming then. Problem solved
Nick Boles, Eric Pickles, Philip Hollobone and estimates without any basis or foundation. Please dont insult our intelligence.
Say "no" then !! .... When is this country going to grow a pair ??
Surely Mr Pickles is in a position to put an indefinite delay on the unlimited access to these east Europeans. We don.t have the infrastructure to Cope with unlimited immigration any more.
As long as they don't scrounge and they behave themselves then I don't mind who comes here
truely,we are sunk.money taken from us for the economy will now feed and house a flood of new immigrants.looking forward to the rioting,whitch will surely come
Stop all benefits to people who have not paid into the system, that will insure they wont come here
We need to remove all these pro european parties from power as soon as possible or Great Britain will be lost forever!
So, in reality we are expecting in excess of a million. More pressure on welfare, housing, social services, jobs etc. And Dave and his gang wonder why UKIP are becoming more popular by the day
Here we go again!!!
PICKLES, THE ANSWER IS TOO MANY AND WE DONT WANT THEM!!!!!
UKIP! UKIP! make a stand!
If there are so many dangers and threats to infrastructure from too many immigrants, why the hell doesn't the Border Control staff get orders to refuuse to let them in? There should be more strong and tough leadership dveloping to control this mad EU idea which will eventually damage us beyond repair.
So sort it out then, you rightly criticised the Liebour lot when they ignored and lied to us when we faced a previous situation like this, interestingly the Lefties are now pretending to be sorry, money where mouth is, not pasties!!!!!!
Mr Pickles your answer to how many immigrants will come here from those countries ... Is none. ... That is if the government do their job properly and halt unessary immigration untill the economy improves.... As we have a surplus of workers and shops closing due to massive increasing Internet sales ... It is crazy to import more to add to the unemployment queues... And the government want to cut the benefits cost ... More immigrants will increase the benefit costs... Basic logic... Is our government really fit for purpose ..?... No wonder very few bother to vote.
close the borders to all non nationals without a job and without a place to live, restrict all benefits to those who have been working and paying into the system for 2 years and the same for access to the NHS and ensure this is made clear in all EU countries, if this is done the UK may just stand a chance of survival.
So why can't the restriction just be extended? Or is that a decision for the EU policymakers who now control our borders.
As Larry would say...shut that door! UKIP for me.
'up to 425,000' Dont make me laugh....more like triple or quadruple that number AT LEAST *sigh*
Any suggestions Eric ? Or are you as clueless as the rest of the ConLibLab tribe .
Now we have it from a horses mouth, unfettered immigration is causing a shortage in the UK housing market. And this is why they want to turn our greenbelt into housing estates, after all they're depending on getting their votes come the next election.
Tell us something we don't know. Even better, tell us what you are going to do to stop this problem, or are the British taxpayers going to have to dig deeper to pay for these freeloading migrants. Remember, if you don't take action, more people will vote UKIP
easy. if you are not leagal in britain.then make it illegal to sell to them
No other Country in the EU houses us !! , so why are we expected to not only house anyone that walks into Britain but to feed clothe and give jobs to all these unwanted immigrants! If they don't have their own means of support and a job then we should do as other Countries do and that is to not allow them in. These people have a home in their own Country so why are we expected to cover our lovely Countryside building houses for this lot.....it doesn't make an ounce of sense and its grossly unfair to the British people.
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock..... and employment , schols, the NHS, and the rest. Stop talking and DO SOMETHING ABOUT!
Enough said UKIP and now otherwise we only have ourselves to blame. None of these people will bring anything to this country other than crime and debt!
WELCOME ! HERE,S A FREE HOUSE ! HERE,S YOUR FREE MEDICINES, HERE,S YOUR FREE BENEFITS,IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ,A FREE INTERPRETER WILL BE PROVIDED TO HELP YOU CLAIM ALL YOUR FREE ENTITLEMENTS.JUST VOTE CONSERVATIVE OR LABOUR WHEN YOU GET HERE ! THATS FREE AS WELL !
Heads in the sand, backsides in the air, whistling through the whole of the afternoon. That's the UK in the EU. The MPs will be responsible for civil rioting here.
If we get too many you could always eat them Mr P.
You'll just have to tell them that we're full. Council Housing has a ten year waiting list. So unless you have very special skills don't make the journey!
Pickles showed himself to be the useless, uninformed blob that I thought he was this morning. He thinks his arrogant responses give him some kind of gravitas, but Andrew Neal made him look a fool.
Well I actually hope it happens because people who just sit back and don't vote and call everyone racist for mentioning the floodgates being opened will maybe finally get a taste of what they have so long wished for. Enjoy it you DIDN'T vote for it!
UKIP
When did we ever give permission to give our country away to all and sundry .we never ageed to this when we joined the common market .our country has been hijacked with the connivance of our politicians.you,ve sold us out and for what.UKIP now second in the polls,surprise surprise Cameron .
yeah, and if you didn't make it so easy for immigrants to come here and litterally rob the place, they'd go elsewhere - idiot!
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock.... and employment, the NHS, schols and the rest. Stop talking about AND DO SOMETHING!
Well then chubby cheeks get Scameron to give us a referendum before they come so we can exit stage left or right I don't care as long we don't have hordes of people coming here for economic reasons Like the millions already here with no loyalty or history tying them to the country
Even one is to many, they say leaving the EEC would be a disaster for the UK I say it will be a disaster to stay in what about the strain on jobs, hospitals, schools, benefits, we have had to claw back on pension benefits and every other benefit why do we allow them to send child benefits back to Poland so if your benefit is stopped I bet it isn't for them, I would never have voted form UKIP before but I will never vote for lab/lib/cons ever again
The answer to that, Mr Pickles,? close the gates and start counting!!!
Errrmmm all of them...
What the hell !!!!! Whose bright sparks idea is this? Whoever it is I'm not voting them in!!!!!!
Britain is doomed.............................what's the answer ?
We will all be in big trouble when this happens we are overwhelmed now by eastern europeans begging on every street corner and taking any jobs available not to mention the benefits they send back home.But no the government would rather punish the sick and disabled that were born and bred here.
VOTE UKIP! PLEASE!!!!
Eric Pickles says 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'"Never who would have guessed"!!But what its all about is Pakistanis and Indians will work for less than Poles and Romanians and Bulgarians will work for even less! Its all about driving living standards down and creating a no hope no future British Society!
"from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain." So shall we have 100,000,000 on this already overcrowded island, by 2015
My Granddad was gassed in the first world war, my dad came back from Burma a cabbage,after being lost in the jungle,and my other granddad took shrapnel to hishead,although he was Ok. Now your asking me to give up England without a fight. I do`nt think so. This green and pleasant land.
Enough - stop this madness!
Take the offical government estimate then times it by 10 then you will be closer to the truth, all part of the EU and Shamerons master plan to flood us, then give a referendum when the country has more EU parasites than British people, pleasing his mates for more slave labour at the same time, then he can get rid of the welfare state as it will become even more unsustainable.
This government has on idea about any thing. Keith43/Ludlow
How many will come here ? Too many. Only good thing is that it will increase the UKIP vote.
i'd say vote UKIP but even if they got into power in the next election it'll be to late..... Congratulations Labour and Conservatives, you've taken the Great out of Britain
Oh, I know, I know, pick me, pick me !!! . . . anywhere between 1 and 2 million, maybe even more !!! Hooray, what fun, the more the merrier !!! I just love being a part of the EU and it's free movement directives . . . (SOMEBODY HELP US PLEASE !!!)
He has an idea of numbers he said. He is just refusing to say.
We have say NO now,we are overcrowded, schools full,hospitals to busy to cope,no spare housing.if your home is Full then you don't allow more to stay has anyone got the guts to say please stay away no house no benefits no jobs.Thought eu immigrants couldn't claim for a year so why bother coming????it's going to end in tears.
Your comments:God help us !
It is simple to know how many will come here to treasure island. Defy the Euro unelecteds who dictate what we can or can't do in our own country and refuse entry to all. It is highly unlikely any of them can add anything constructive to this country over and above what we already have here. Just another huge drain on benefits and housing.
We can't afford them, either financially or socially. Our already stretched infrastructure and public services will just simply not be able to cope and why should we build on more of our green nod pleasant land just to ccomodate them - once it's gone, it's gone. Close this door NOW nod only think about reviewing it when we have made sufficient provision for our own people, those who have contributed and paid into the country for many years and have earned their right to a return for their efforts. Bring on the next lection and bring on UKIP - and a leader ho will possibly make a decision for the benefit of this country.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AFTER THE SHAMBLES UNDER LABOUR, THIS SHOWER WOULD HAVE LEARNT SOMETHING, BUT NO. IT WON'T AFFECT PAMPERED MP'S ANY. BY THE WAY, WHY IS THIS COUNTRY DUTY BOUND TO GIVE THEM ANYTHING AT ALL. VOTE BNP OR UKIP!!.
However many will be to many
close our borders
How are we going to cope with even more people coming here??? Already massive unemployment and our benefit system is already struggling, not to mention hospitals and schools and housing!! Very depressing!!!
Why don't we just pack up and move out?
Saw the Pickles interview with Andrew Neill - Pickles was in a pickle; I was waiting for Mr Neill to ask him what his name was as he couldn't be certain about anything else. He was stupid enough to make false claims about house building in 2013 - which will come back to haunt him
Can we please just say 'NO!'
It's not just the housing market that will have problems. The roads, the underground, the trains, the schools, the hospitals, indeed the whole infrastructure of our country which was built to accommodate 50 million people, not 70 million +.
'If you want to change the party....lead it' 'If you want to change the country ......lead it' If you don't get us out of Europe this will not be possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
" give [ us ] your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." So that we can be the same.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
It is not the housing market as such that is under pressure from these free loaders, they are not coming here to purchase a house. It is the councils that must house these people and must find a house to 'give' them. Here is an idea, stop the hot air and change the benefit rules. Job done
Why do we have to home them?
GREAT,come flocking here for our handouts,not our climate
We simply cannot accept these countries migrants. The door must be firmly closed NOW !
Hey Mr Pickles here is number you should look at >>>>0<<<<<
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
Polish immigrants were estimated to reach 25k, the reality was 750k this government can't even look after those who live here now, never mind welcoming more to our shores
They should have some idea as to the amount of people coming as they have figures from past immagration. they dont want to admit that we are going to be overrun, with more claiming benefits and expection houses.
I'd like Pickles to build the homes for the 2 million that are coming here hear his house and those of the Cabinet.
'UK's housing market to come under pressure from new wave of EU immigrants...' No worries here, folks! Obviously, the focus for the new arrivals will be the up-market properties in Hampstead so often favoured by refugees, asylum seekers and migrants; and funded by Housing benefit, of course. Still, if it's only the housing market that is seen as an issue, then we can reasonably assume an extra 300,000 or so supplicants lining up at the benefits free money pool won't also be a cause for concern? ps. Given the chronic inability of politicians and civil servants to get the numbers right, let's assume that the expected inflow will probably top the million mark?
Its very simple Pickles, you don't let ANYONE in unless they have a confimred job to go to, they have medical insurance and they have a confirmed place to stay. Anyone without all three from anywhere is only granteda 90 day visitors visa and if they overstay even by one day they are banned from re-entry for a minimum 10 years, life for a second offence.
Don't let them in. These countries are disasters, and the only organised thing about them are their criminals. How do I know this? I work with these people all the time and they tell me this themselves.
Ill tell you 200 000
No benefits for foreigners,they won't come if they know that they will not get free housing and money to send back home.Other countries don't throw their taxpayers' money away,why the hell do we?Answer,we have the most inept,stupid politicians on earth at both national and local level. My friends' son was working in France and when he lost his job he was refused any benefits and no housing benefits.The reason he was given for this refusal? He isn't French.Our politicians are spineless and should be forcibly removed by the people from office.
I honestly believe that the British are past caring anymore, much prefering to close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la, nothing to do with me!!!
They are absolute stupid!! If you had a chance of a free house, benefits, free healthcare all what you couldn't get in your own country what would you do? Millions you can be sure of that!!
I asked my 4 year old grandson how we stop this. He said that we should stop paying them to come here. That's what I was thinking and also probably the entire nation. Why can't our MPs see this? Are they so detatched from logical thought that they are in a tiny little world of their own that cannot see reality?
'If you want to change the party lead it' 'If you want to change the country lead it' If we do not come out of Europe the above is not possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
So whats your answer to this then CaMORON i supppose in YOUR World it doe'nt matter.
We've had Blair and Brown lying and covering up about mass immigration and the destruction of the Brotish way of life. It seems Pickles and by association Cameron intend to follow down the same road of untruth.
So the people in charge say they cant do anything....! They cant even guess at th size of the problem....! So tell me again, why are they in charge?
I wouldnt believe any number they quote, this country really is on its last legs, what the hell is it going to be like in 10 years? Vote ukip!!
Labour and Tories are just traitors. Anyone that votes for these two parties cares nothing for our culture, identity, and heritage being preserved.Vote UKIP
Just stop all immigration. Simple.
We know how many will come - all of them! A no brainer. UK benefits payout more money than the average wage in Bulgaria. This needs to stop. It's crazy.
Your comments:so if i go to spain ill get a house for free /dont think so ? offer them a tent ! or will that upset these private landlords making big profits?
The Government MUST legislate immediately to make sure that this unnecessary and unwanted influx does NOT happen at the end of the year
How can they come here, there are no jobs ,no housing and no school places. My own family are struggling with all the above, We need a Referundum now to show these politicians that we don't want these immigrants coming here and taking away the lives that we have worked for and feel we are letting our own British children down.
Here we go again. More for our schools and hospitals to cope with. Bring on the UKIP government.
Probably in that case now is a good time to leave the EU
just tell them there are no jobs,no spare houses and no free cash on offer,they will soon head somewhere else or are the politicos too scared of big brother in brussles ?
Quite Simple Mr Pickles, rip up the rule book that says they can come here, if not move aside for U.K.I.P
Well do something about it now - before it happens. For god's sake its not as if you haven't had warning. Block our borders and let Germany deal with it.
Bulgaria's economy and living standards are tanking. Romania has always had problems. Why live a life of hardship and poverty(real poverty not 2 flat screen tv's and an Xbox poverty) when you can come to benefits Britain. All expenses paid!
If only people born here were allowed to claim benefits then hundreds of thousands of them would not be planning on coming here. Those that do should only be allowed in if they can afford to house and feed themselves.
yeah, another nail in the 'i love my country' coffin
why the social housing? if they come here with nothing then they have made themselves intensiously homeless and should get nothing, thats the way it works with us.
This next batch of East Europeans should be held in Brussels until we have our referendum on opting out of the EU! WE ARE FULL HERE!!
Why not have a referendum on europe before December so we can bailout, then shut our borders and sorry boys no room at the inn
Eric try some honesty you have not got a clue how many will come and the governments have known about this time bomb for years yet there to afraid to do what will stop this invasion they seem to for gotten all those lives that were lost so we could live our lives as free Britains the really frightening thing you have no clue how many europeans are already hear how many are illegals and when some are convicted you have no power to kick them out you may as well pack your bags now
Unbelievable. I hope the government won't tlet this happen.
When is this madness going to end?
It will be more than the housing market that will feel the pressure. Where is the work for them? What about their health care? The list is endless. This country just can't take any more people!!
1) Well we the British people are still waiting for our referendum that you promised from the last election. 2 )This is not what we voted for on the Common Market . 3 )We do not have enough jobs for our own people. 4 )If we do not get our vote, then we will have to fight you on the streets.
Oh my god, just say no.
One of the undisputed benefits of being in the EU???
This will be the end of the UK.....RIP not so great Britain
just have the b...s to say enough is enough we are full up there is no more money why do we have to take everyone from europe no other country does get us out of europe now vote ukip but i fer it is too late
So thousands, if not millions of unskilled migrants coming over to claim our land of milk and honey. We wouldn't have this if we were out of the EU. I'm voting UKIP next election.
Pickles don`t tell us about the Problem Tell us what YOU are going to do about it.
You misquoted him! What he actually said was "We don't know and we don't care...."!
UKIP. That is all.
What have they done to our poor country?
So where is it written that they have to be housed by the british taxpayer. This government need to get a grip because so far they've been bloody useless. They're supposed to be 'in charge' yet do nothing. Roll on the election
perhaps I am a little confused but why is it going to cause a problem with social housing, surely they will not be entitled to that.
I absolutely give up. I've had it with this country. It's run by buffoons and we are just as bad for standing by and doing nothing about it.
Every Government has under-estimated the numbers migrating from new EU countries with all sorts of problems for the UK infrastructure, culture and crime situation. The British people did NOT vote for this massive influx of peoples. A referendum on the EU is massively overdue.
We are governed by morons.
We all know (Except the Government) what is coming our way from the East in December, and our wicked Government will do nothing to stop through fear of being called racists. The Daily Mail recently reported whole villages and towns are going to empty in pursuit of welfare funding here, one assumes that the sick and elderly won't be left behind so who is going to pay for their welfare. Are they going to go to the top of the list in front of our hard pressed pensioners who have contributed all their lives.
So all those for the EU including Milliband what is their response to this influx of labour who will pay minimal tax but claim all the benefits? Why isn't this included in their support for the EU. It is all conveniently hidden under the carpet. I want to remain in the EU but not with all these absurd laws which does nobody any good.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
This whole open doors EU policy combined with our ridiculous benefits system and human rights lawyers is going to land the UK in one thing - Civil unrest
Dont worry Eric just some more of Tony B-Liars economic migrants coming over to help us prosper even more
There'll be a revolution in this country yet because the government just does'nt listen to its people at all.
Simple. Make the "temporary restrictions" permanent.
Why does Britain let everyone in??
None!! That's how many we want here. Close the doors to the lot of them.
uk has no work,no houses,and no will to take these migrates,so just dont let them and tell the EU to go to hell
This is all part of the big plan to kill nationalism which they blame as the cause of the World Wars in the 20th Century. But this is a very dangerous game, because it could backfire, you have to have the numbers right, which clearly the politicians dont have. Blair opened the doors and it has remained opened ever since. This plan might stop World Wars, but it wont stop civil unrest on our streets if jobs become non-existent and locals on council lists are pushed to the back of the list by EU migrants. Expect a stormy year ahead, and more inaction on the part of the politicians. Eric Pickles is warning his Government of what lies ahead, wonder if they are going to listen, not!
We don't bloody want them! I'm sick of it!!! I scrimp and save and work my a** off and can't afford to buy a home yet no doubt they will waltz over, get a fee house, take our tax and cause crime. I'm sorry but NO!!
why when our own youngsters carnt get social housing and they have to pay high private rents. you carnt understand this government
Thank you Mr Blair and Brown, signing us up to this madness, so we can look forward to another influx of villans and free loaders who will be entittled to our taxes to support them. Brilliant!
It's simple. Only pay benefits to anyone British born and over sixteen years of age, or anyone who has lived, worked and contributed for a minimum of three years. Then implement the EU rule that no EU immigrant should be a burden on their host nation.
The estimates are clearly way off and the real estimates will not be aired because of the dissent it will cause. Your looking at a major movement of people from both countries within the first year. We're talking one million plus in the first year and up to 2.5 million total after two years. Both countries will be emptied out of criminals and the poor, they'll all be here wanting benefits, housing and health care whilst begging, robbing and trafficking drugs and people.
None of this makes a great deal of sense to me. We are not going to be flooded with migrants buying all the houses since they don't have the money to buy. They can rent of course but we can't just go building houses to accommodate immigrants, that would be stupid. But then when have people like Nick Boles ever displayed much intelligence. If the houses don't exist for them to live in then they can just go back where they came from (he says hopefully)
We do know how many will come, almost all of them. Why would anyone want to stay there when they can't come here and get a house and be paid more in benefits than they could earn working at home. One day people will look back on this sort of immigration and see it for what it is, a disaster, not only for the UK and host countries like us, but also for the countries all these people leave. How are those countries supposed to get better and progress when we steal all their talent? They pay to train doctors, nurses, dentists etc and then we take them away from them. How can that be fair? Even when it comes to asylum it's wrong. Iran persicutes gays. So we allow their gays to come here and claim asylum. So who is left in Iran to drive change? Eventually Iran will become a gay free zone, isn't that what they wanted in the first place?
The economic migrants arriving from Romania and Bulgaria are just another nail in the coffin of British jobs for British people, so expect a HUGE rise in redundancies in November 2013 clearing the decks for bosses to pay minimum wage to the new comers while those who have worked hard will now be demonized as shirkers.
Don't kid yourself. The only thing this man is probably scared of is a shortage of food.
OK thats fair enough I don`t suppose anyone knows Mr Pickles but what is more relevant is what are you going to do about preventing another massive influx of jobless homeless and unskilled immigrants .
Just DON'T let any of them in!!!
Then don't let them in, plain and simple.
The housing market comes under pressure whenever Mr Pickles visits one.
Simple Eric do not let any in, we have no jobs,no housing and the people do not want them here.....if the EU cry foul then just red card them
Just bear in mind that No British Government, has Ever Been Given Consent to Permit Mass Immigration under any pretext !
Out of the E.U and stop all but the necessary immigration now.
A more pertinent question could be, "What affect will this have on the, already, overstretched NHS?" because quite frankly I cannot see how the NHS can exist in the face of uncontrolled migration. Don't forget that anyone can more to the the UK from within the EU and with the unemployment figures soaring on the Continent you do wonder how many of these people are thinking of moving to the UK's relatively healthy employment market - especially when you realise that some EU nations are not as generous to jobseekers/unemployed as us.
Easy. Do NOT give them social housing or benefits. Leave them on the streets and they will soon go home.
Incompetent inept muppets in government who are not fit for purpose, time for the British people to stand up and be counted!!
He doesn't know how many will come here? We all know, so why doesn't he know?
Boosting the economy or having a happier society, which is more important ?
Do you need any more reasons to get out of the EU now? Vote UKip!
Excuse me for being a bit dull, but why are they expected to come here rather than France/Germany etc? As much as I hate being a part of Europe and think we should get out pronto, why can't we as a country do whatever France/Germany are doing to discourage them from going there instead? Be it tougher immigration, less benefit payouts? Or have I missed the point, and they're expected to go there as well? Maybe some one would like to enlighten me as the DM don't seem to be!
These people, plus their families, have been given a free entry ticket into the UK by the EU, and can claim unemployment and housing benefits on arrival. Yet our overstretched services can hardly cope with the people we already have, and pressure on hospitals, schools, housing, is enormous. Plus, twenty two per cent of our young unemployed, so even more competition for scarce jobs. IT IS UTTER IRRESPONSIBLE MADNESS allowed by pro EU Cameron and Co living in their ivory towers, who obviously don't give a damn about what is in the best interests of the people of this country. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP WHO WOULD PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
We have no more room. Please make it stop.
More immigrants to milk us dry. Have they all got jobs to come to? Can they afford to buy their own home and feed their families? Will they contribute to our society by paying taxes? No? Then close the borders. Great Britain is full and her people are fed up with this madness. Get us out of the EU now!
The number should be ZERO. Only people who can contribute to our society and pay tax on the income which they will earn, from the work which they have pre-arranged before travel, should be considered for entry. Not one however, should be eligable to claim from the benefits system...
Being the UK government wish britain to become the benifit capital of the world why not give all the british people a lump sum to live abroad, be plenty of housing to give away then
Shut the doors NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, it won't be a problem.. We have plenty of social housing, jobs, school places and hospital beds available for these hard working people. I know some of them have never worked in their own countries but as soon as they get here that will change and we won't be able to move for big issue sellers and beggars adding their diversity to the wonderful mix that already exists. Are our politicians complete idiots ? Sorry that was a rhetorical question. Please can someone explain to me why they want to ruin our lives and our children's future ?
The Government should grow some and say NO! Enough is enough.
Great Britain ha ha ha ha all these Bulgarian and Romanian migrants should be housed in Scotland where Brown, Blair, Darling etc all come from.
More lost jobs and more benefits. Enough is enough. This is just ASKING for it. The people of this country are reaching boiling point. Whatever the colour of the party rosette they are all the same. What is the answer? UKIP is not ready to govern this country: they are still too busy sorting out the dissension in their ranks. So what's the answer. Yes that's right another term for labour. And we know what happened last time we had labour in power. But then again there's not a fag paper between the lot of them. All self-serving hypocrites whose main concern is their own pockets and sucking up to the EU, not looking after their own.
So what? They either pay for somewhere to live or they sleep on the streets.
Close the doors now we don't want any of them!!!
So come on Cameron and Co.tell the EU what to do and keep the restrictions. We are full up already without a load more immigrants.
There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about this. Just hope it is the hard working that come over, not the pick pockets and other criminals.
tell them the uk is full go home
why are more people being allowed to come here i do not want romanian people being given free reign to come here because of the crimninal activities they indulge in, in aussie land they do not just allow anyone in unless they are bringing in a skill not just to scrounge on state handouts there has to be a srtict criteria and limits the housing waiting list is at bursting point that famalies are being shipped to the outskirts of london cameron has to come out of the eu
Quite frankly any is too many, we've had enough immigrants from Eastern Europe come here over the last decade & we can't take anymore, vote UKIP.
We're all doomed !!, I just love paying taxes especially for those who haven't put a penny in.
We do... MILLIONS!
simple no benefits can be claimed until you have completed two years in work,and mut show you have come over to fill a job vacancy,rush this bill through now before its to late.alot of other countries do this why not us.
Why would it affect social housing? They should not be offered social housing. If I went to Romania I wouldn't be given a house I would have to rent one PRIVATELY.
I fail to see why any of these immigrants should have any entitlement to social housing. They should only be able to enter if they can prove that they have the financial means to support themselves and their families without recourse to tax payer provided funds.
What Jabba is saying here is absolutely correct. We CANNOT allow any more people onto this island. We need to start getting physical. We need to start manning the borders ourselves. If our politicians won't do anything, then we need to do it ourselves. Our generation is so apathetic because we live in an age where most people alive today have never really had to fight for anything. We were born with our freedom. DON'T allow it to be taken from us. This is our island. It is our DUTY to defend it. FOR YOUR CHILDREN
we are the dumping ground of europe if they have not got a job then they should not be allowed in and nobody who arrives here should not be given housing carry on like this and syria will seem like a heated debate
I vote for British politicians yet the final say on an issue as important as immigration is made by faceless Europeans elected by nobody. We have no control over our own borders, so really the European superstate is already here. How can anyone support this?! It doesn't seem to matter what government we have, left or right, they all seem determined to led us down the same path - the slow, steady and without doubt calculated breakdown of national identity.
Another reason not to let them in.
So they think 425,000 will settle here? Make that 4.25 million. Free benefits, come one come all.
We do not have jobs and homes for Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can tell you Mr Pickles the lot of them or all of them not hard to estimate at all,we already have most of all the EU and rest of the worlds population here.
Housing shortage? What about the job shortage, the extra burden on the NHS, crime. Shut the doors you dumb arse politicians
What restrictions you idiot? The country is full of Romanians and Bulgarians already. They're doing the low paid jobs that our benefits people could be doing, but due to the madness of the EU and some of our more unscrupulous employers who only pay minimum wage, they're easily employable. There's a real hidden cost though that government won't publicise. Once they're here and working, the door to our extensive benefits and tax credit cash machine is wide open, and they can pluck whatever they want from the UK taxpayers pocket. The old political argument that we can always do the same and go to their country and work doesn't wash, because if there was paying work and a good benefits system in their country, they wouldn't be drawn here. So in effect, UK taxpayers are paying out twice. Once to keep the unemployed in the style to which they've become accustomed due to the largess of New Labour, and again in tax & child tax credits to immigrant workers. Employers are the only winners!
Being part of the EU is so great isn't it?
Hundreds of thousands. Mostly on the make. Disaster.
Why can't we be more like Australia? You can come and live here if you pay your way. We have enough of our own claiming benefits for a number of reasons, why should a tiny country like ours have to house and feed the rest of Europe?
The country according to the coalition government is economically & financially straining..yet we STILL have our borders open..the welfare state will take another pounding..this country is in a dire state..maybe we need to take another look at the millions or even the billions we donate to foreign aid..& start concentrating on our own mess..we cant cope with another influx of people..how long until enough is enough
Another reason to leave the EU.
Which part of enough is enough do the british government not understand? We're already struggling, NHS, Schooling, housing? Something tells me before long the UK will simply look like a high rise eastern block suburb! Brilliant!
My word, did anybody see this clown being ripped apart by Andrew Neill on TV today - how utterly embarrassing.
Mr. Eric Pickles says: "The expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans will cause problems". Too late - they already have. Thanks Liebour.
To hell with the "Freedom of Movement" rules. Show some "bulldog spirit" and tell the EU where to go. We cannot keep letting everybody come here. We are full up and teetering on the brink. Put a stop to it now!!!!
Sadly most of them will take jobs and benefits made for the BRITISH people. But... Hopefully some of them will actually STUDY and become someone with a degree and go back to their country.
Send them to Scotland the country thats so inclusive imigrants last a few weeks before heading south .
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
So sick of this. I'm AT LEAST fifth generation English, all of my family are taxpayers. My partner and I work full time and are scrimping and saving for a house, whilst living with my parents. Meanwhile all and sundry can come here, take housing, jobs, benefits and lord knows what else. When will this government do anything to assist people like me?
This government, and previous ones, have done absolutely nothing to stem the flow of immigrants into the UK. They should have closed the borders years ago. As regards to the housing shortage. They should put compulsory purchase orders on run down and empty properties and renovate them - thus cutting the cost. As far as I am concerned they should deport all illegal immigrants and stop benefit to other immigrants claiming. Close the borders NOW.
Not a problem..Lots of accomodation will be found for them when unemployed British people are evicted from their homes and thrown onto the streets.
He's so smart that Eric Pickles...NOT...so old smart Ar$€ informs us that the influx of migrants from Romania and all, will put a strain on our housing stock........Well of course they will, if they can just land in this country and claim one...... Sorry, but what the hell are we as a country doing to prevent these migrants just claiming the right to a FREE house......This country has become the SLUMDOG of Europe...... My Father and his Generation didn't Die for his country, So as to allow the Scum of Europe to over run it......It makes me so mad....
It's been said many times before but I am saying it again, if you haven't paid into the system, you don't get anything out. Here we are, suffering cuts in all the essential services, people being thrown out of work right, left and centre, and yet still we are opening our doors to all and sundry. And what's the betting that the poor troops who have served their country in Afghanistan, and are due to be pulled out soon, will find themselves in the job queue very quickly afterwards. Despair?? It doesn't come close.
Stop them coming in the first place and why the hell do we have to house them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not just housing these immigrants will put pressure on. What about our benefits system, NHS and schools, GP's etc. Why can't we limit the intake rather than just wave them all into the UK, unless the immigrant has a skill which is actually needed here.
Why should it cause problems?? The answer is so simple, if you come, come prepared, arrange your own accommodation or don't bother coming, no more hand outs, no more social housing, house our nationals who need housing, not the benefit seekers coming into the country.
Simple, vote UKIP
You know what to do Cameron, Pickles and co. I know what to do, the majority of the British people know what to do, it's only you clowns in parliament who can't see the bleeding obvious. HOLD THE EU REFERENDUM in the next few months. If you don't the British people will NEVER forgive you.
That'll be another 12 billion a year on our benefit bill then.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Social housing is prone to abuse from everyone as it is now. It is time that socialist nonsense to get scrapped altogether. People should be responsible for their own housing not the society. The ones who cannot afford should get temporary housing. But getting social housing for life is a complete nonsense.
As the Government can not discriminate against legal immigrants who wish to claim benefits it is time to toughen up the rules for everybody that wants to claim fom our welfare system. I suggest that no adult is allowed to claim benefit of any kind until they have paid a national insurance stamp for 5 years. This will obviously impact on our own citizens as well as legal immigrants,you may find youngsters are a bit more willing to take low paying jobs to support themselves.
On the good side they are religion tolerant and have same values. Also the door has been open to them for the past 15 years as a "self employed" person, so whoever wanted to come is already here!!!
well lets hope you do your job that the British people put you in power for and simple put a stop to it and get out of the EU
I am off to find myself a desert island - ENOUGH is ENOUGH will the last one leaving turn the lights out
That should please politicians, since higher house prices (for their own properties) is what they want. And surely, if we can find free houses for young single mothers, then we can find free houses for immigrants too.
More Big issue seller's
A referendum or voting UKIP is all a bit belated, suckers, the job is done and so have you been.
Yes you do know, as does everyone else - tens, if not hundreds of thousands.... Who can blame them with such a soft touch welfare system. Still, we - the public - don't mind, it's not as if we are in the mire right!!?? Jokers..
I think we can expect about 3 million new arrivals from Bulgaria and Romania, unless changes are made ,within the next 5 years. I'm just Mr. Average,so my view is bound to be more accurate than our goverment's.
Tory MP Philip Hollobone estimates up to 425,000 may eventually settle here- Yeah right, now where have we heard that before.
This is another good reason for us to wave goodbye to Europe, we can not afford our way now, let alone have yet more scroungers in the Country.
Want out of the EU NOW, NOW, stable door closing too late but let's not let any more in!
what future and hopes have the unemployed got now? This will create far more unemployment for native UK citizens, and i'm not talking about just white people. Even the people that migrated here from the 50's to 90's are saying enough is enough. What hope will there be to get the people living in inner cities out of the hole they are in, when more mass migration will just further add to their demise. It's alright saying.. no more, this needs to stop... it's part of being in the EU and the 3 main parties are don't care, they live in a different world to the plebs. It's the EU project towards federalism, dilute and remove the identity of a country and there is nothing stopping them from taking over it. Staying in the EU will mean it's a matter of time before Britain becomes a dumping ground for Europe, we'll become the Escape from New York and LA. The EU and Germany will move the banks from these shores locally to them leaving this country completely with nothing.
Cameron has been very rude and dismissive of UKIP members recently: he really is going to get his well and truly deserved cumuppance when we next go to the polls: what on earth does he expect?
We are struggling to find jobs for existing BRITISH citizens , close the gates & GET US OUT OF EUROPE...
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism.
We cannot absorb anymore, we cannot provided for our own people let alone half of Eastern Europe! I cannot help but feel this is a deliberate act to break down the culture and fabric of this country. And Europe wonder why we complain and do want to be apart of their club!!! Might as well kiss goodbye to our wildlife then!!!!!!
And this is why we need to leave the EU & close our boarders. How much longer can our tiny island take? We will end up losing all our beautiful countryside so we can build houses to home all & sundry. This needs to stop.
So if all 29 million moved here that would be great wouldn't it....this country is such a soft touch!
Government ministers are poorly informed and/or conceal the truth. Moldovan citizens and also those of Tranistria also have Romanian passports and will have entitlement to enter the UK labour market towards the end of the year. Moldova is economically the poorest country in Europe. If you are from these countries, have no job, very limited access to health and social care provision and sufficiently motivated to improve the welfare of yourself and your family you would be stupid NOT to want to migrate to the UK and claim benefits.. It is an absolute dereliction of the government's duty to it's citizens to be unable to cost the social,economic and cultural impact that migration on what will be an industrial scale will have on the the UK. I would conjecture that in excess of 1 million will arrive. The government as a matter of the greatest priority needs to assert a coherent and sustainable policy on this most significant issue.
There aren't that many Big Issues to sell. Where are all these immigrants going to work, after all there is little work now with shops/businsses closing down weekly. In the event of thousands of houses being built on green belt can anybody tell me what will happen to these homes when the immigrants decide to return to their homeland?
I saw the interview on the telly today, this man is the sadest person ever to be a member of a government, could not answer any reasonable question put to him
THIS is why our politicians and business leaders are so keen for us to stay in the EU - cheap labour.
Everyone wants to come here and the current inhabitants want out. There's so many people here who cannot string a simple sentence together. If you want to go to Canada you have to prove you can speak English or French at a high level and can contribute to their labour market. We're just free and easy. We'll have anyone. Committed a crime? Even better. We'll show we're really liberal and open minded and non judgemental. That's right, we're just mental.
And when they do come will it be us, the taxpayers who have worked all our lives and done the right thing with savings, who will be the ones to support their benefit payments when they can't find work? And before I'm red arrowed - I AM sympathetic to the plight of others in need - but we have a welfare problem in this country already - and I for one am getting fed up with paying my bills, paying my tax and then having to sit back and watch my money being wasted by the government on welfare schemes that don't work and for which I end up paying more whilst the recipients just take the handouts. We can't cope now with the demands on the NHS, welfare and housing. Surely some common sense must prevail soon - please!!
Are we going to sleepwalk our way into this or are we, the people, going to stand up and do something about it?
If we get a referendum on the EU and vote to leave they won't be able to just come here, and maybe some of those that are here with no skills could also be sent home, problem solved.
We have a % of most countries. We are Frances 5th biggest city. Let them in and they can go the monoculture ghettos and dilute them. I think thats the real plan behind this.
For Christ sake close the borders & do not allow any migration from these countries. We are full to bursting as it is & cannot justify building on 2 million acres of country side in order to ensure migrants have a home. We need a huge & heavy handed operation to round up all illegal immigrants who should be deported immediately. We need to drastically reduce our population by any means necessary! The sooner we are out of the EU the better!
Wonderful!!! (NOT)
At least ONE MILLION will come here we will be swamped and there will be civil war
Now that all restrictions have been lifted on Romanian and Bulgarian nationals coming into the UK, meaning there is no longer work restrictions impacting on claiming benefits, there will be thousands. Romanian workers are already having an impact on railway maintainence work, with agencies hiring them over local labour because they are paying them less.I know of railway 'gangs' which consist of 8 Romanians and 1 English person. The same can be said for employing Indian workers. Workers that cannot speak English or complete forms in English and have to get other Indian colleages to do it for them, seem to have acquired 'tickets' to enable them to work on rail tracks. Theoretically, one has to be able pass tests in written English to be awarded them, but these non English speakers have them. How? Totally corrupt, unfair and dangerous.
Close the gates NOW.
No need to warn us Pickles, we already know what a swamp we live in, the question is what are you going to do about it? Only UKIP will sort this mess out, no one else will and that includes Eric Pickles. A vote for any party OTHER THAN UKIP is a vote for the EU. DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE, HELP UKIP TO GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Close the gates NOW.
They will also be entitled to benefits. With benefits now equaling the total revenue received from income tax this will be the final straw in the UK coffin.
Vote UKIP
The influx will cause problems when temporary restrictions end in December this year - in other words Mr Pickles you have ten and a half months to actually do something about a forthcoming, explosive situation. Explosive because we have neither jobs nor homes for those already here. To let even more into the country will also be a drain on ALL resources - food, water, transport, energy, schools, NHS etc, etc. As I also suspect most of these people will only be coming to the UK for a free ride at taxpayers expense, the benefit budget will be stretched to bursting, and without them having paid one penny in income tax or National Insurance. Oh the joys of the EU and the misery it brings! The only mystery being why you and your cronies love it so much.
We really need to do something to stop this and fast! This country is already on it's knees without a further million scroungers descending on us like a swarm of locusts!
We will have a civil war in the next 100 years, the UK is falling apart. We should get out of the EU before ASAP, multiculturalism is a disaster.
dont forget schools nhs jobs crime,and eext turkey this country has went to the dogs because of the eu..it makes me sick .
"the expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'" - It has already had devastating effects! They said 16000 Poles would come and settle in the first year ... 650,000 came ... and most settled. It doesn't matter how many they estimate as it will be far, far, far more! I want to know the answer one question ... why are we not limiting the influx li ke other countries? I shall vote UKIP but I believe the damage is now irreversible and I'm already making my plans to leave this hell hole.
If there are not enough houses then they will have to live elsewhere.
This is why we need an in/out referendum on the EU NOW rather than in 5 years time. We can vote NO now & keep them OUT!
They must be stopped NOW
Presumably all these people come here for our weather. What other possible reason could there be?
Stop it! We are in debt, skint. We simply can't afford it. We need Immediate freeze on immigration followed by strict points system as Australia, Canada etc They cost money as soon as they arrive with translators then housing and benefits. We need to stop it!
They lied to us in 2004 and history will now be repeating itself as the floodgates are opened. London's population alone, has increased by over a million in the last decade. Nearly everybody's second language is English, combined with our benefits system makes this country first choice. We are concreting over our country to house our imported population, yet others have so much land to spare, We have to leave the EU now, it will not stop us trading with Europe or Europe trading with us.
So that's it, we are no longer in charge of our own country
Just shut the door until we know how many are in the country. Call it `Homeland Security` and tell Europe to get lost.
The problem is that the UK is still seen by the ordinary people of many other countries as a land of plenty and of generous welfare. We are of course sinking fast and becoming ever poorer (now with working families in fuel poverty or even homeless). That news is unlikely to get out and unlikely to be believed so the deluge of immigration will continue until our country is dead. What idiot started all this?
Millions will come. Putting pressure on housing, schools, welfare and benefit bills, hospitals, transport systems, police etc etc Let alone all the utilities like water, gas, electricity, rubbish disposal etc etc Sign the e-petition number 41492 online.
Plenty place in the Empty and disused Prisons. What's wrong with using those, while Visa's, Work Permits, and such like is dealt with. If they do NOT like it, then they can go elswhere ! Simples !
As history has already shown,there is absolutely nothing we can do about this.Unless people start to stand up and do something proactive,we will continue to be walked all over.When is enough, enough? How much more do we as a once great nation take? I am genuinely ashamed that nobody is fighting our corner.
yes we know they are getting housed as we speak disgraceful to say English people have been waiting ages for housing.
SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
No problem for the previous (Blair) and present incumbent Prime Minister. They are and will be rich. Not having to worry about money or their security. Same applies to the Ministers also.
Given the way the uk is going it is more probable that it will be uk citizens leaving the uk to go to Bulgaria etc
Just what WE always wanted!!!!!! Just what The Doctor ordered!!!!!! Europe will solve all our problems!!!!!! Need I go on with this sarcasm?????
Multiply the number of would be migrants by 10 to probably obtain a more realistic figure!! Jobs, what jobs?
We should leave the EU for a bit to see what happens. I don't think anything good will happen.
how on earth is this in britains interest? we have far more immigrants than we can cope with .they do not contribute and the vast majority of the first waves will be hardend criminals. yet we blindly accept the EU s orders . WHY?
If we go back to the old system where one had to have two years payments into the social fund before one could draw out, then maybe we would not have such an immigration problem.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15 paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Need to stop this now. It's a joke. These people send most of the money they earn home. They take an annual holiday at the relevant time so they can claim any tax they have paid back (legitimately) meanwhile they claim tax credits child tax credits and child benefit as soon as they have been here long enough; all above board too. They are also getting wise to bringing sick relatives over to be treated on the NHS (like other cultures.) I know this as I work in social care. I have told my teenagers to get a decent education then get the hell out of this dump.
Great, more drains on our overstreched resource. The quicker we get a Government the British Interests the better.
so the government now want anyone in housing which is deemed too large to pay a "bedroom tax" to free up larger properties at the same time government rants about the unemployed and low earners to limit themselves to two kids.........soooo...whos getting all these houses ?
Oh joy, potentially innumerable extra burdens on our crippled social system.
Another good reason why we should leave the EU immediately, not wait until 2018 as Cameron wants as we will be swamped even more by immigrants by then.
The UK's Housing market will come under pressure, along with everything else, and you lot can just get on with it because your not getting a Referendum on the EU!!
He does not know!!!!!!! Well find out, that's your job, if you are not up to the task then resign and have someone else do the job, I am sick of hearing feeble excuses by governments of all colours. The task of governing the country is in the hands of MP's and Civil Servants, for the people of the land not as a nursemaid for thousands who arrive and take advantage of this country. Just do what the majority want, say NO we will not play being nursemaids and freebies for all and sundry. First duty is to the people of the country, now for once do what you are voted in to do and get handsomely paid for. We have a collection of 'lemmings' in Parliament and across the civil service, you can keep crawling towards oblivion, but don't drag the rest of us along with you.
We would know how many with a sane immigration policy. The answer would be ZERO.
You should cut down on your pork pies mate n get some exercise
Yes, and Britons will get the chance to go and live and work in Bulgaria and Romania, where house prices and the cost of living are lower, it is very sunny from spring till autumn, and great skiing in the winter. The locals are friendly, too. Instead of moving to Spain, with its wrecked economy, Britons will be able to move to two countries which have been far less adversely affected by the economic downturn due to their more conservative economic policies.
'I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' The only public pronouncement the public want the hear, Mr Pickles, is that this government is going to say 'no more'. We may be in the EU but these are exceptional times. Surely some of the other member states must have concerns, or are they confident that the vast majority will come to soft-touch Britain? Mr Pickles, there are no jobs! Unfortunately this no longer matters as EU migrants are now entitled to receive the full range of benefits from the day they arrive, whether working or not. So hard-working taxpayers are expected to carry on funding anyone who turns up here. Our own children can't find housing, yet the government feels obliged to concrete over acres of the countryside to house those who have contributed nothing to the economy and probably never will. Clegg is always banging on about what is 'fair' and 'unfair', so perhaps he could explain how this is fair in any way?
Just say no, is it really that difficult?
I cannot believe that us being allowed to happen. How will we ever maintain our national identity. How we ever be economically viable with just a small minority of tax payers paying for them all. It's a nightmare
This needs to be stopped before it starts or it will be to late and we will be swamped
This legislation needs to be rethought very quickly. We need to accept that there is a difference between racism and immigration as this seems to deter lots of dialogue
We don't know how many will come, but you can be sure it will be far more than the Government estimates. It always is. In our present economic situation, we need to be doing something to prevent it. Yet another reason to vote UKIP - especially if you are on a low income.
He can never be sure of the numbers unless a limit is put on and we stick to it.
Utterly ludicrous decision that our government has gone along with - at a time of economic crisis, when we already have well over a million unemployed, when half of London is already foreign born and you are more likely to hear a foreign language than the native tongue, when rents are sky high and we are all facing cuts in benefits and pensions but hey, that's OK, let in another 500K, most will speak poor English and be unskilled workers and who will start claiming in work benefits plus child benefit etc the moment they get here. Let us not kid ourselves that these will all be highly skilled professionals when every other waitress/shop worker/street sweeper in London is foreign and usually Eastern European. Forget the fact that the vast majority of British people don't want any more large scale waves of immigration, that it hasn't worked and we are all poorer as a result as long as Dave and Nick can stay in with EU top brass to get their top jobs when they are booted out next election
The next influx of Eastern Europeans will cause problems. Just like the last influxes of Eastern Europeans. Band news. Stop it now. Vote UKIP.
This is just madness and it has to stop. We cannot cope with anymore immigration from anywhere. There isn't enough housing and we are only a small island. For god's sake Mr Cameron put a stop to this now, let us get out of the E.U.
If we got out of europe we would not have problem
>>>'We don't know how many people will come from Bulgaria and Romania': <<<....Too many, thats how many
What do you mean housing market? Are we really expecting any of these people to be buying homes? Don't make me laugh.
It's not just housing. What about education, health, welfare benefits and all the crime that will come with them. It's time this madness was stopped!!!!
The Romanians and Bulgarians will now undercut the Polish which will force many Polish and even more British out of work and on to benefits. Schools will be bursting at the seams with children who cannot speak English and hospitals will be pushed beyond the limit. I just do not see what good can come from this?!?! Why can politicians just not admit when they are wrong and prevent this madness? I think, just like last time, there estimates are way off the mark.
Great - we are cutting benefits to our own people then letting in this lot. I give up !
Easy shut the borders then there will be none, so no extra housing and nonextra cost in benefits we cannot afford when will the goverment stop all thesenpeople coming here and claiming benefits they have never paid in for
This country is a complete joke on so many different levels!!
Sorry but we really do NOT want all these people from Bulgaria & Romania. Please stop this. Just horrendous thought. We are over crowded already. My next vote will be UKIP.
I am willing to bet it will be more than you can count on the fingers of one hand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Gawd sakes you overpaid idiots at number 10.....Tell us something we don't know? Just put a hold on Immigration full stop! Then again divert them all to Brussels along with a few million already here sponging of us British Taxpayers!
And you don't really care, as long as it forces wages down amongst the many lowest paid, to increase profits amongst the few well off
Come here the land of milk and honey and its all free
Here we go again, we're off .But remember Cameron and co say it's good for us to be in the EU.
I know how many there will be - LOADS!
Well if you walk down the main high street in Reading, Berkshire during the week, you hardly hear anyone speaking English as a native tongue. How many more people can Britain have without losing our countryside?
If Bulgarian/ Rumanian come here, you need to ask why they come here, if they are working, they should have working visa.. if not.. they are illegal.. In every country if you want to go there and you want to work you should have working visa, but if you are as a tourist, that is different matter... again you still need to apply tourist visa, that showing how much money you have the money in the bank, and you able to support yourself, and not stay in this country. It won't be fair for people who are born here have to queue housing benefit, and people who just land they were provided without any single penny land in the government.
We need immigration control to prevent this from happening we don't have enough housing or jobs to go round. Houses are in short supply, the homless is rising, and unempolyment is at record high. I shall be voting UKIP next time as David Cameron the posh boys, Tories, coalition and Labour have all lost the plot. Tony Blair may have started all the immigratrion problems but there is no excuse for the Tories to sit back and do nothing.
If the government persists in giving free housing and benefits to everyone then of course people will come here. It is going to be far better than being in their home country. The solution is to only give benefits and social housing to UK nationals. For a country that can't take adequate care of it's own pensioners and those in poor health we shouldn't be taking care of any other nations.
Why cant the so called leaders of this country just say NO. BRING ON THE NEXT ELECTION
If these MPs know full well that by allowing these immigrants into the country they will cause problems then surely they have should have rules and regulations and conditions in place to restrict those who are not able to look after themselves including house themselves and their families if accompanied by them and by that they must be financially stable or have a job to go to. It makes sense surely.
Would my family be given housing and benefits if we decide to move to Bulgaria or Romania? Some hopes. Anyway, I noticed some young homeless British people sitting on the streets of Edinburgh late at night last month. How about looking after their interests Mr Cameron et al. The people in the UK lucky enough to have a job are fed up with their ever increasing compulsary tax contributions being abused.
You all know what to do. Leave, labour, conservatives and the liberals and join UKIP. The nation will change further if you don't. The liberals tend to live in areas that ar untouched by immigration. Perhaps they should try living in the cities and towns where English is the minority.
No matter where they come from, no one should be allowed into this country unless they have a firm permanent job to go to and a firm place to live. Furthermore they should sign a declaration that they will return home if the situation changes. On no account should they be allowed to "lose" their job after a few days and then sign up for the dole and housing at our expense.
Whatever they estimate - you can quadruple that number. Suggest mass building of prefabs like they did after WW2. Not very attractive true, but Britain stopped worrying about that years ago. Suggest putting the first lot of prefabs up in Bucklebury, Sandringham, Balmoral, on Kensington Gardens, in Windsor Great Park, and next door to the current and prior Prime Minister's and MP's home(s) as well as next door to the homes of all CEO's, Utility Executives, and the owners of companies that encourage this cheap labour under a zero end game called capitalism. Also, Can we have a public central list of all the vacant jobs these immigrants will fill? Or will companies simply lay off existing workers and then rehire at cheaper pay. Surely not ! Ha! Oh and we will need a few hundred people to volunteer to man the soup kitchens and the halfway houses - maybe the Royals and the politicians wives and their adult children would be good for that. Should lead by example after all. Thanks.
if we get a in/out vote of Europe i can tell you now how many more Romania's and Bulgarian's it will be ......zero as we wont be part of that money pit called Europe...... start listening to what the people want or get your JSA application form filled in
AAAARGGGGHHHH!!!!
UK is in trouble!!! Time to leave.
Un believable, more drains on our resources, the sooner we get a Government that represents the interests of the British people the better :-(
"He refused to say how many migrant workers were expected to arrive from the two countries" What he actually said on the Sunday Politics show this morning, with Andrew Neil, was that he had seen figures but was not convinced of their accuracy so had asked for a reassessment and until they had been reassessed he did not want to risk enflaming public anxiety on the subject unnecessarily. A sensible stance to take. Better than making up wildly inaccurate and misleading underestimates, as New Labour did with the Polish immigrants, just to sate the interviewer.
It's probably an underestimate... Free money has great allure,
Perhaps Obama will help out by offering them houses in America to honour the ''Special Relationship'' between our countries. Or Dave could get some new houses built on his and the Bankers grounds-are we are all in it together? Then the politicians wonder why we want out of the EU - time to count their brain cells.
..... Then shut the door? It is really that simple
Nothing wrong with free movement, the problem is benefits. Sort the benefits system out so they don't qualify - OR make benefits across the EU the same. Then insist on seeing proof of ability to support themselves before they come in. Problem solved - easy!
Cameron............we want a referendum NOW!
So what is this government going to do about it? Nothing. Just bury their heads in the sand and hope the country gets in such a bad way that everyone just leaves?????
We neither want them here nor need them, so don't encourage them by building houses for them and prioritising their needs!
We are all doomed for a life of poverty if we remain in the EU any longer !!!!!!!!!! Can't Dave Cameron see this ????????
More than you can count on one hand, Close the gates now
1000,s and 1000,s will be coming.It's not just housing it's the NHS the benefits system and everyone that now is trying to survive in the UK, that will suffer. Where is all the money coming from OH YES the tax payer, pensions and child allowance down grading.
it would be impossible to stop these people getting private accomodation but surely britain does not have to supply public housing.but then again-human rights etc.who am i to complain-i am only a skiving english born peasant who should know his place.quick touch of forelock to cameron and crew..
Pickles is THICK, everybody knows more than a million will arrive and most will be poorly educated. I feel sorry for our young people, Jobs will be even harder to get and like the Irish the cream of our Youth will have to Emigrate!
How long will Pickles wait, until we are all standing shoulder to shoulder? Get out of the EU now and close the borders, we coped before the EU, we will cope again.
There is already a council housing list, some people have been on it for years. How can any new arrival family be put before those on the list already. That's what breeds the massive contempt for mass immigration, and that's what is going to be the tinder for the massive civil unrest which is certainly bound to occur once this whole saga unravels.
We already have a good idea Pickles..most of them. Vote UKIP and kick the lot out before they get here, we are FULL.
The you should make laws that refuses benefits for non UK citizens.
Well do something about it. The country is crumbling already and the NHS, housing and benefits is severely struggling. Us taxpayers are forced to work longer, pay more in pensions, tax and NI to fund freeloaders from the EU who have NEVER contributed a penny. We will no longer suffer these austerity measures and pay for freeloaders, thus country will rebel by all means when it's own citizens can't get housing, healthcare etc
The arrogance of the man is incredible. First, he claimed he hadn't been given a figure by the Home Office and then he suggested that he had been but refused to reveal what the number was because he wasn't sure of its accuracy and didn't want to scare people. Let us be the judge of whether we should hear it or not and remember that you are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Oh, who saw THAT coming, eh?
OUR hospitals are groaning under the strain, our kids cant find jobs..........our elderly are neglected .......BUT COME ON IN WE'LL FEED AND HOUSE YOU, FEEL FREE TO USE OUR HOSPTALS AND CLAIM OUR BENEFITS".................oh yes we'd be mad to leave the EU!
Why should they get social housing? Why should we have to put up with that. I am voting UKIP. We need to get out of the EU. If we don't we will be even more swamped. I had an appointment at a hospital in Kingston in October and I had to wait 2 and a half hours to be seen. The reason. They had doubled booked everyone and a lot of them were not from here. I went home and did not see the Specialist. When I went back for the result the next time, he Doctor asked me why I had left. He said you should have told somebody. I said why it was not my fault it is double booked as we are now swamped with people from abroad.
when is ukip going to organise demonstrations against this insanity!
Will give a nice boost to house prices , particularly the BTL market
So Pickles mi old chum.... Get off your rear... Go over to the Home office... Get the border control people to ensure you know the names, addresses phone numbers, blood group, criminal record, debt, amount of money on each and every single one of them coming in via every port! You have time to prepare! GO RUN.... Hurry... Chop Chop!
Close our borders now!!
The UK will be totally finished when they arrive, watch, wait & see......or STOP them entry!
This morning's interview on the Andrew Marr show was the first time I've seen Eric Pickles look so overwhelmed and out of his depth. It's worrying, isn't it?
This makes me feel pyshically sick!
So STOP the influx, after all, you and your useless fellow ministers are HANDSOMELY PAID to protect our interests. Vote UKIP.
No problem, nowhere to live, go back. Simple.
Just say NO
Very worrying times ahead.....
Wow, thanks for that obvious point. Bit slow, as we've all been saying this for years. Referendum time Cameron. Vote UKIP.
We are FULL! Get out of this EU madhouse asap and do what everyone wants!
We already have a large advance party over here thanks to our weak borders no doubt gearing up the drive for homes and assistance to obtain benefits . GOVERNMENT IS CLUELESS IN THE UK .
No job, no house, no entry. That should be the policy for ALL trying to get into the UK and unless they can supply proof that they can support their dependants they are not admitted either.
our housing market will be under threat if they buy them...They are not entitled to any social housing, and should therefore be refused entry if they have no fixed abode to move into.
How many - too many! We already have more than enough pressure on our housing, hospital, schools and benefits sytem!
Yes Dave... we'd be really mad to leave the EU.
Probably the whole of both countries will come here. Can we please stop all this unwanted immigration from all corners of the world. We don't like it. You lot in government need to listen to the British people........otherwise why are you in government ?
If only Pickles was in government and in a position to do something about it; HANG ON!!!
+++European 'freedom of movement' rules will from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain.+++Well, I say that we don't need any more workers, we have lots of people here who need jobs so why should we let these p
You never see anything comming untill its to late from your ivory tower Eric unlike the rest of us who already know what will happen, When will you wake up to the fact that we do not owe the ex eastern block nations our jobs , houses, benifits.and our precious space.That is why UKIP is speaks for us and not dithery Dave.
Not a problem,just advise all EU countries that due to an impending referendum no EU immigrants will be accepted until the date of the referendum and the result has been approved.
The irony is that Tony Bliar's gerrymandering from the last influx of immigration will probably be enough to ensure the Conservatives are never in Government again. Eric Pickles has double the incentive to close our borders and tell our real bosses in the EU to get stuffed.
So deal with it, you criticised the Labour lot the last time we faced this problem, money where your mouth is, not pies!!!
Out of the EU now! Vote UKIP!
ukip
Q: How can you have a country when you have no control who lives there and who takes up residence? A: You can't, you were never meant to.
If ever there was a reason for leaving the Eu,this is it,at a time when we have millions unemployed,welfare spending out of control,an acute housing shortage,overcrowded schools,a health service in crises,and a police force stretched to the limit.We then open the "legal" doors to more mass immigration,and invite people from a completely different culture to our shores,with the guarantee of housing and benefits,you couldn't make it up,except that,the likes of Nick Clegg and co think it is a good and moral idea.Why don't some of you question him about this on his phone in radio show,on L.B.C. on thursday morning?
I am sure our PC councils will have houses for them all
"...two million acres of British countryside would have to be developed to solve Britain's housing crisis - with half the demand coming from migrants"========= Reminds me of the song lyrics 'they paved paradise and put up a parking lot'. Come on UKIP - we need you to save our country because once it's gone, it's gone forever.
Bye bye England.
Britain might have exited the EU by then.
Yes we do. Lots. Welcome to the land of milk and honey. If you vote Labour, you support this.
We're all doomed, I say doomed! Vote UKIP.
If we denied entry none would come. But we haven't the bottle to defy the EU have we ???
When are we going to wake up and see how much strain this continued influx of immigrants place on our country. They are taking up our housing stock and have access to our medical and social system which was designed to benefit UK born citizens. Being in the EU is great but these immigrants go throuh the rest of the EU to get to our shores. Our equals in the EU such as Germany, France, Spain, Italy and the rest of the Western European nations did not head for the UK en-mass. Its all the immigrants poor countries that come here and are stripping our social system bare.
I would rather believe UKIP's assessment that 50%, or more, of Bulgaria's 29 million population live in abject Poverty. Why wouldn't they move to a country that will give them Free Housing, JSA, Tax Credits, DLA and etc., no questions asked? They cannot be stopped, refused entry, or refused the money. Another one of the great benefits of EU Membership. As soon as they get a house, they get the vote. Now you know why Call me Dave is not having the Referendum till 2015.
Well then, get some backbone for heavens sake and do something about it instead of just talking.This Government is completely hapless. It promised to deal with all this immigration and has done NOTHING. deal with your own people first. What a load of nitwits run our country. The sooner the election comes and rids us of this excuse for a Government the better.
Just what this country needs :/
For God's sake stop it before it happens.
Don't worry, our politicians will look after us ......Won't they ?
Pickles! STOP THIS NOW !!!
Just tell them we haven't got any and that they will have to buy one like the rest of us or go home, sorry but no free hand outs.
Put wood int hole then
Simple fix...no benefits for them. They'll find somewhere else to go then!
I am so happy i am emigrating to Switzerland at the end of this month - I leave you muppets and get on with it ......you don't have a clue do you?
Just say No ........how simple is that
Your comments:and he needs to be paid over 100k to tell us that
STOP this MADNESS and GET OUT of the CORRUPT EU.
In reallity, he does not know .. or care.
I am not surprised to read about the pack of lies fermented by the utterly dreadful and cowardly BNP bigots. For, once , Daily Mail have got to the truth of the matter; most 'non-whites' living in Barking are, in reality, British. Of course, the white majority of Barking will not accept that they are British because they are not white! These people work and generally get on with their business. The pay taxes and enrich the area socially and economically. The jobs they do, most white will not touch with a barge pole. I am not surprised by the racist rubbish I have read so far on from people making comments. I wonder how many of them are on some sort of benefits who still call themselves white working class!. If you want a job or house, the reality is you will still be first on the queue because are priviledged whites! You can still do this without the help of BNP. The BNP will let you down if they come in. They will forget about you if you let them in. Don't vote BNP
B.N.P. Brand New Politicians .... try it, you have nothing to lose .....
there's a reason why the Daily Mail is the favourite newspaper for BNP supporters. Any idea what that might be ?
Neil of Tenterden, well said. You live in a great part of the world. Give my best wishes to Tenterden. The country has been swamped with economic immigrants with the expectation that they will always be greatful and vote for the political party who let them in - the loony left Labour Party. BNP is not racist to a reasonable person, only to one locked into the stupidity of extreme PC.
Same tired old propaganda being dished out about the BNP, what are we going to get next week those dusty old photographs from the 1980s with skinheads doing Nazi salutes.....yawn! Change the record please, folks have woken up a bit since then..
I know Barking. The Daily Mail is painting an old-fashioned picture of the immigrant issue as one of white vs non-white. This is at best disingenuous. Most of the whites of working age there would be Eastern Europeans. How many of the white children at the local schools speak English ? As I understand it, their presence has particularly triggered support for the Bloody Nose Party at council level. Of course this would blow a hole in the tired argument that the party is only opposed to non-whites.
This story is so sad it's almost laughable, i am a very proud member of the British National Party, i have met hundreds of members from all over the country and they are nothing like you describe above, The fact is, people are turning to the BNP in large numbers because we are the only party who will do something about the utter mess created by the LibLabCon. The more lies you print, the more people see through them when they meet us on the doorsteps and out in the streets. They quickly realize we are not the monsters you paint us as and that we are just like them, genuine down to earth people who just want to save our country from the inevitable slide in to hell thanks to crooks we have in government at the moment.
Many of my ex-pat associates and colleagues will be voting BNP or UKIP because the truth of the matter is that millions of us are sick and tired of being treated as second class citizens in our own country, we are sick of watching as our culture is being slowly but surely eroded away and we are sick of the politically correct claptrap that seems to exist simply to ruin the lives of decent people. - Nick C, Bien Hoa, Vietnam, 12/4/2010 5:21 'Our own country'? But you live in Vietnam!
The Mail getting Desperate again. You will be losing readers with insults against BNP voters
As for the BNPs key values being 'loathsome' - I don't agree. Immigration is a huge worry as is the unending erosion of traditional British life and the overcrowding of this little island. At least Nick Griffen has the guts to stand up and say what so many people are thinking - unlike the spineless leaders of the larger parties. Nobody is fooled by the mud-flinging, DM, so give it up and look at the issues that the BNP raise instead. Try and get answers from the Tories and Labour before the election so we know where we stand.
I shall be voting BNP, simply because no other party will even mention the one thing that concerns us and that is IMMIGRATION and the vast amount we give to Foreign Aid and now we're about to bail out Greece. We have to leave the EU and sort the mess GB et al has got this country in.
To the author of this article - BOO HOO - absoloute tosh, NA51 looks like Nazi, only for those who are looking for it. Go and do something more important like counting paper clips!
Sounds like someone is running scared! We are sick to death of champagne socialists telling us what is good for us as long as it's not down their street! You only have to read the different reports in the DM to see what a state this country is in, along with most of Europe. Right wing parties are coming to the front in the Netherlands, France and now Hungary. When will politicians actually listen to the people who vote for them - we have had enough. If the demographics are correct then we have around 20 years before we lose the majority of christians in this country - what the hell are you thinking of. I will vote BNP for the first time this year - God help us all !!!
The BNP doesn't have to do anything - this government has done it all for them. They will get votes from people who want to give Labour a good slapping for what they have done to this country and still not listening.
Nazi,s,facists.racists the top three names when ever the press write about the BNP.If that was true and voters believed it then the BNP would not have two M.E.P,s.Searchlight say the BNP are thugs yet they don,t like the press looking into there membership because if you want to meet real thugs go to one of there meetings.The bnp are a political party and has a voter i have the right to vote for them if i wish and no amount of anti nazi league propoganda would change my mind.Labour are running scared in barking and in other areas of the U.K..Maybe if mainstream parties started telling the truth and standing up for the people instead of ignoring them in favour of the the p.c brigades equality multi cultered outlook were if a white person so much as mentions immigration they are branded racist then maybe there would not be any BNP M.E.P.,s
I would rather a so called raciest party represent me - than the others who think more of foreigners, its not the BNP who are vile its the political elite and journalists who kowtow to them!
If the BNP win, and i hope they do in Barken, then it will be what the people of that area want, democracy, something which has been in short supply for sometime in this country particularly under this Labour Gov. Margaret Hodge mentions how the Labour party can help the frustrations felt by people but its under the labour party that this anger and frustration has increased, she even admitted sometime ago that house & jobs were given to immigrants, how can this be healthy, i know of similiar occurances in my own area, for ex a family next to me live in a two bedroom house they have a 18 year old a 5 year old and a 3 year old, they have been told they are not a priority for a bigger house, yet a polish family have been given a 5 bedroom in the area, i can mention many more instances, and i'm sure that the people of barken have similiar stories to tell, who else represents the British (the Indigenous) British
I do not support all of the policies of any political party. All of the parties who have held power, have, on occasion, acted against the wishes of the electorate and there are many unhappy anecdotes resulting. I'm sure that if the writer were to perform a similar "hatchet job" on Nulab s policy on immigration, there would be a few surprises. Nulab seem to have a diametrically opposed policy IE. a free for all Do we think that is better? With one party at each end of the scale, how are we able to brand the BNP "extremist" without giving Nulab a similar title? The Conservatives? QED.
Yet again the racism card is played, but it seems to work in one direction only. Nobody says a word about the 'black' magazines and newpspapers. Nobody dares critisize the belligerent black guy who hurls abuse at the white guy. Imagine those two scenarios if the roles were reversed. People are frustrated and exasperated by the unfair double standards which work against the silent majority, and until this situation is recognised and addressed by the major parties then the BNP will thrive, purely because the BNP are the only party who say the words that the people want to hear. If the major parties want to address the 'evil' of the BNP then they should wise up to the gross injustices which the majority of the population have to endure.
Oh dear Daily Mail, Scared of the truth?
Surely "The Egyptian" is meant to imply Hodge has Muslim sympathies? It doesn't have any anti-Jewish connotations. The BNP know their potential voters are not anti-Jewish, and they have moved decisively away from that.
I don't know about Barking but I do know about my City - I've got eyes and ears and I feel like a foreigner whenever I visit the City Centre! The BNP is the only party that seems to take the destruction of the British way of life seriously!
I always find it slightly amusing that the Daily Mail espouses all the BNP policies yet condemns the BNP itself. I am indifferent to them but I will say this : Having read their online policies, I cannot take issue with any of the things they say. If they did gain any level of power it would be most interesting to see if we did indeed get our country back. We can only hope.
How can they "ruthlessly and shamelessly exploit immigration"? Labour has swamped the country with immigrants with the stated intention of changing the cultural makeup of this country. The BNP are attacking them for doing so. Cameron and the Tories should be doing the same. There is nothing shameless about voicing opposition to the government of the day making the indigenous population second class citizens in their own country.
Barking, overall, has fewer people from ethnic minority backgrounds than the London average. Around 75 per cent of the 167,000 population are white British, according to an Audit Commission report published in January. So????????? these people will actually leave these areas once in a while, they dont want to feel intimidated when they go shopping in other parts of London etc and they cant see a single Brit in sight Yes there are a few idiots still in the BNP and a few people who still think it is the Nazi party but they are in the minority. Believe me i have met quite a few thugs who support the mainstream parties and it is rich considering that the extremist and fascist UAF are a left wing funded organisation. I also wouldnt trust the information on searchlight either if they said water was wet i would struggle to believe them. They are also no the only party that is using Immigration as a means of winning voters round, people are sick of rising crime as well
sad an inteligence test does not have to be passed before being alowed to vote.
What exactly is loathsome about providing the people of Barking with what they so evidently desire - an end to immigration? If the BNP is loathsome, then so is the electorate. And perhaps the Daily Mail needs to revise its knee-jerk liberalism
I remember how utterly villified and derided Arthur Scargill was at the time of the miners' strike when he said that Thatcher was planning to shut down the entire mining industry in the UK and then how sheepish I felt when it became clear that he was right all along. Likewise, Griffin has been saying since the mid-90s - when the BNP had about 20 members - what uncontrolled immigration would do to this country and despite the ferocity of the Press towards him and the BNP, it turns out that he was entirely correct also. I won't be voting BNP as their manifesto (immigration aside) seems confused but it does make you wonder how such a limited political operator as Griffin could be so right, for so long. As for Hodge, when her 2007 comments were kicked into touch, why did she not resign, a la Robin Cook? It'd be a lot easier to take her seriously if she'd had the courage of her convictions, but this would have necessitated taking her snout out of the trough.
It's ever so tragic that people feel the need to vote for this terrible 'party' simply because the Conservatives and Labour have so little to offer. Maybe it's time for a credible alternative option to develop?
Paul Bracchi and the Daily Mail,do you actually discuss between yourselves about which articles are being printed/posted every day? It amazes me that you can write such an article to obviously undermine the evergrowing support for the British National Party, whilst taking a look at the other stories on your website there are plenty that are reporting exactly why that support is growing by the day. Outrage! taxpayers bailing out Greece(bnp policy get out of EU), Taliban sniper story (bnp policy, Troops home), English speaking pupils minority (bnp policy, Stop immigration). Brown saying foriegn workers to take English tests, what about the thousands upon thousands here now that claim benefites but can't speak English? Your article just shows how out of touch you are, you link Hodge being called an "Egyptian" with anti-semitism, you call the BNP a "fascist" party. All these things are blatantly untrue and people can see right through you are gaining bnp more support again. Thank's Paul
Sorry paul....more media proganda!!! I, and many thousands of british people will still be voting bnp!! The only party to put the british people first!!!!
The BNP are odious & disreputable. Like 1920s US bootleggers they are supplying the public with one much desired & legitimate commodity -- concern about immigration & islamism. Just as Al Capone's booze empire crumbled with the repeal of prohibition, so the BNP will move on to other, less mainstream, concerns when the Tories or Labour start reversing demographic & cultural trends that are hurting our country so much. Especially hurt are the less affluent classes, who are voting BNP .
Yes the BNP may be far right in their thinking but you have to ask yourself why they are growing stronger day by day.This treacherous Labour government are the guilty ones.It is they that opened our borders and for what,to rub the noses of the right in it and in doing so they have set the scene for God knows what sort of unrest in this country in future.What shallow minded despicable individuals these Labour members of Parliament are.Who would do this to their own country if they truly loved it.These devils must hate this country so why are they pretending to represent our best interests.History will not be kind to these devious men and women who having gained power in a historic land then set out to change it forever but not for the better.Nick Griffin should show on his canvasing posters the faces of the BNP's best assets.Blair,Brown,Straw and all the other disgraceful Labour traitors that gave the BNP the biggest opportunity to gain seats at Westminster that they've ever had.
Well, what are people supposed to do if the major parties won't listen to them?
What an utter load of immature, biased drivel. All parties have members within that have criminal records along with some of the politicians as well. If you asked the public on whether criminal charges should have been brought to far more of these so called honorable members of parliament, you would get an overwhelming yes! I am in my 40's and am educated, an engineer, pay a lot of tax (as does my wife), have no criminal record (neither does my wife) & abide by the law, do voluntary youth work etc. We have a combined income of £80k/year, do we sound like 'no hopers'? The main three parties/media have resorted to childish mud slinging because they are not winning the argument. Well if you would have come up with policies (immigration, referendum on membership of the eu, British jobs for British workers, bring our troops home etc) that the public want and actually deliver on them. I will be voting for the BNP, as is my wife and many other members of my extended family.
Still voting for them
Well, what are people supposed to do if the major parties won't listen to them?
Immigration does not have to be 'exploited', unfortunately, it's staring all of us in the face. Margaret Hodge may not be a 'witch' but she us a disgrace, remember her dismissive and cynical treatment of a sex abuse victim?
Ah, I see what you've done here. Write an article ostensibly attacking the BNP but at the same time throw in a load of references confirming all their prejudices about 'mass' immigration and the nonsense that all new jobs have gone to immigrants. Funny, but the BNP seem to link to more Daily Mail articles on its website than any other paper.
I will make this short as you probably won't be showing it. .It is supporters that make a party and it has become obvious to all that the BMP.,is growing at a fantastic rate, in spite of the best efforts of the worst type of biased, union led journalists and of course the UAF.,(Unite Against Fascism)the evil group of mischief makers, the 'true fascist bully boys' that David Cameron helped found and who are supported by the three major left wing parties who are terrified by even a slight move towards the right,.One look at the state of this country after years of political misdirection will show why I and an ever growing number , will be supporting the BNP.,Its our only hope and its probably the last chance to save the country and return to true British values.
im not a nazi and im not a racist,i am a very concerned british citizen,i hear nothing from main line political parties to really get to grips with known problems within this country.only recently in the news it was reported that a christian nurse was refused permission to wear the christian symble yet later news tells us of muslim nurses and doctors who are allowed to wear traditional garb irrispective of wether it is unhighgenic to do so.when you have this kind of thing rubbed in your face,and this hasnt been the only anti christian or anti white thing done to us,then you begin to understand how the bnp can win seats in our corrupt parliament.
Anyone wishing to read or hear about anti semitism on a daily basis has only to read the Guardian or tune into the spitefully biased BBC reporting on Israel; alternativey your reporter could pop down the road to Tower Hamlets and ask The Respect Party their views on the increase on attacks on Jewish people in London. If you want to make a proper case for not voting BNP then you should examine their daft ultra LEFT wing economic policies.
All anyone needs to do is watch footage of every BNP party rally that has been held in the last few decades to see that the BNP has behaved impeccably, whereas the so called 'peace-loving' anti fascists are the ones that have caused all the trouble. You and your left wing ilk are the ones that have brought this country to it's knees, and yet you have the audacity to criticise anyone who has the balls to actually give 'the people' what they want. Why the hell do you think that the BNP is gaining popularity day after day ?, it's because the real people of Britain are so furious at left wing liberal idiots like you telling us how to behave, how to act and how to think. If you Paul Bracchi don't like the thought of a common-sense party that atually listens to it's people, then sod of to a Communist country, I'm sure China will welcome you with open arms. Idiot !
Help me out. I want our troops home from Afghanistan, and the only party I've seen which will do this, is the BNP. So, who do I vote for?
And this is news because? The Bigot's Nazi Party always have been & always will be a verminous threat to our democracy & society
What a load of Tripe! I'm voting BNP How many times have we to say that to protect and preserve our way of life is NOT racist!!??
You just dont get it do you... This is a party, the ONLY party wanting to stand up for the average Brit in the street. They are saying that in an enviornment of recession, British jobs should go to British workers. They are also saying that mass-immigration is unacceptable and what is wrong with that. Who else is there??? The Tories wont even mention the "I" word as they wish to be seen as the "cuddly" party and as for the Libs, they bent over backwards to get Binyan Mohammed over here. Bleeding heart liberals the lot of them and we as a country are going soft because of it and all these minority groups know we are soft. Thats why this place is such a haven. That's why immigrants will pass through 3 or 4 rich democratic countrys without stopping in order to get here. The BNP gets my vote because they stand up for ME and my children.
What a pathetic and spiteful article about a legitimate political party. The Daily Mail is obnoxious.
A terribly biased article Bracchi, looking for a job at the beeb are you?
Whatever you say the BNP is the only party that supports the indigenous people. Their policies are the only ones that will drag the country out of the depths of despair. I for one will be voting BNP.
Nothing new here all parties do the same with information and stats as do most newspapers. Coming off the back of some ruthless and derogatory headlines regarding the illegals and EU immigrants of SOME newspapers people might say the denunciation of the BNP tactics is sheer hypocracy.
Who pays for Searchlight? Their comments are always quoted by the media for everything against the BNP. An interesting article that leads one to wonder what aspect of the Labour, or Lib Dem or Con character is currently under wraps? If Nick Griffin does win a seat, it would help him dampen the more reactivist elements in his party. It might prove riveting were the media were to comment on civil and other crimes committed by ruling members and activists of other parties (wasn't Searchlight star Gerry Gable once convicted of breaking and entering with intent to commit a feloncy in 1964?).
for years this paper has been peddling BNP-friendly rhetoric. you cannot possibly now turn around and claim to despise the BNP, your editorial stance on many issues is virtually indistiguishible from theirs. many people who vote BNP will do so because the opinion of foreigners they have formed from reading your newspaper.
So out of the 300 candidates you have dirt on 4 a huge 1.3% compare this to the numerous Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and UKIP candidates with criminal charges, the 80% of current MP's caught with their snouts in the trough and the whole Labour plan to forcefully change the ethnic make up of England without the English peoples' say amounting to treason and do you really think anyone cares about these 4 people. Considering the Mail and every other news outlet looks more and more like the BNP's website each day with the amount of truth finally coming out of immigration, the EU, benefits etc it is just ridiculous how you can keep on attacking the BNP, your newspaper and the others does nothing more than hand them votes by proving that what they've been saying hasn't been racisit lies and propaganda but plain and simple truth. Say what you will, but at least they can claim to be the only party that has been honest with it's members and the British public
Thank you for this article. I wonder if any of those folk who say they will vote BNP will take the time to read it properly. The BNP is not the answer to their problems - it's merely the thin end of a wedge which holds horror for all decent people.
"who have been on the receiving end of the party's tactics" What about the millions who have been on the receiving end of Nu Labour tactics, and no doubt will again from the Tories. While I am not about to vote BNP, I can see why a great many people will, just simply for lack of a decent honest party, they will go for a party that talks the talk they want to hear about immigration etc.
Yet again the BNP is criticized. Perhaps all the ranting against it might actually persuade voters that the so called main parties and news reporting agencies are afraid that the BNP might be voicing the concerns of many people. It is not racist to be fed up with immigration overload or the EEC threat to our independence. I have never voted BNP or UKIP but the canvassers at my door at the weekend were horrified when I said I would not vote Tory again as Cameron lied about the EEC referendum.
Say what you like pall people will form their own opinions . We have a parson standing for the BNP and they have a full house in most constituances in lincolnshire . None of the other parties have mentioned immigration or any of the other concerns and this will show at the elections !!.
You speak as is 75% being white british is something to be happy about. This number will increase rapidly with the high immigrant birthrate. As every other party seems to ignore the fact the immigration is totally out of control and has no intention of doing anything about the situation, people are left with no other choice but to vote BNP. I have already left the UK as I feel a stranger in my birthplace and hate what the UK has now become.
And the other side of the coin is! allowing people from other countrise to burn the british flag or carry banners saying down with freedom and british soldiers are murderers and rapists,penalising the wearing of the Christian cross,banning Christian plays,killing of the word Christmas,protecting terrorists from deportation because of THEIR human rites,allowing killers and rapist early release from prison(holidaycamp) penalising people from protecting their homes and families,giving new identities to vicious killers released into the community,allowing foreigners the right to jump housing and health cues,allowing travellers to build anywhere.The list is endless now are these the doing of the BNP because these and many more are a mixture of racism and religious discrimination.
What "racist lies"? EVERYTHING the BNP has said has happened. May I point out, as you are obviously ignorant of the fact, that Rajinder Singh is a MEMBER of the BNP. Hardly a "racist" party, is it? WHAT thuggery? The only thuggery that has been committed has been by the EXTREMELY violent UAF of which David Cameron is a paid-up member. You seem to be very ignorant of the fact that the BNP have had a Jewish Councillor for years. Hardly anti-semetic. As for the Collett affair, unlike Labour, Tory and Lib Dems, the BNP take swift action to deal with wrongdoers. They are immediately expelled from the Party, not given golden handshakes and peerages at the taxpayers' expense! Your article is a vile and desperate attempt to besmirch the BNP and the millions of people who support and vote it.
Leave them alone. This is all rich coming from the Daily Mail, which is probably just as, if not more, xenophobic than the BNP are. At least people know what this party stands for. Labour have led an extremist agenda of multi-culturalism and only an agenda of nationalism can stem the tide.
*Yawn* Don't you have anything better to do than peddle the same rhetoric over and over again?
If you removed all of the reporter's hatred of the BNP out of this article, and then re-read the facts that it contains, there'd be very few of your readers who wouldn't agree 100% with it, and they'd all find themselves agreeing with BNP policies and probably would vote BNP. Print the facts, don't just throw mud and lies. Credit our readers with a little bit of intelligence, we can see hatred propaganda when we see it, and none of it is coming from the BNP...
This story is so sad it's almost laughable, i am a very proud member of the British National Party, i have met hundreds of members from all over the country and they are nothing like you describe above, The fact is, people are turning to the BNP in large numbers because we are the only party who will do something about the utter mess created by the LibLabCon. The more lies you print, the more people see through them when they meet us on the doorsteps and out in the streets. They quickly realize we are not the monsters you paint us as and that we are just like them, genuine down to earth people who just want to save our country from the inevitable slide in to hell thanks to crooks we have in government at the moment.
Without the input and effort of Nick Griffin the real concerns of the people of Barking and the nation in general would remain taboo.I would add the best of luck to Nick and his campaign team but the reality is it is not needed. The social idalogues have destroyed the fabric and cohesion of the area and will now pay the price of their deceit. This scenario will eventualy be played out throughout the nation, as the mendacity is revealed in its glory, and the people become increasingly exposed to the negative effects of multiculturalism.
The BNP expect the slurs and lies from the Labour Marxist run papers. Compared to the self righteous criminals in the LibLabCon who stole the taxpayerÂ’s money to the tune of hundreds of thousands and walked free shows how corrupt Westminster is! The BNP are head and shoulders above these thieving morons for honesty. And you pathetically mention a few honest BNP members. The readers will see through this article for what it really is, propaganda for your Marxist masters. BNP for Britain is the party of common sense policies. Stop Immigration, Bring our troops home and Get out of the EU.
Dear Mr Bracchi (author of article) you have forgotten to mention that the BNP eat children for breakfast. You say While the BNP has become the most successful fascist party in Britain since the Thirties' I suggest as a 'journalist' that you ought to have an idea of the definition of facist. What part of the BNP's behaviour is facist? I am actually an undecided voter but ridiculous articles like this which I expect to come even more popular in the next fortnight certainly sway me towards the BNP. What other parties are addressing immigration?
It's because of this lame government that BNP support is on the rise. Only today we read that Muslins in hospitals can flout the rules and cover their sleeves when a christian woman cannot wear a cross. Discrimination against decent law abiding citizens of this once great country. Is it any wonder that the BNP are now favoured by many as the only party looking out for the interest of the Great British people?
What a weak & cliche ridden article that gives no examples whatsoever of 'vicious anti-semitism'. The only mention of 'anti-semitism' is a flimsy accusation from Margaret Hodge, & some quotes from the communist "searchlight" organisation & the BNP have 2 jewish councillors ! Expect more articles of this nature as the election draws closer, the establishment is desperate to prevent a BNP breakthrough, in reality, such a breakthrough is the only thing that will scare the government enough to actually do something about the madness labour have created.
Usual anti- BNP hatchet job. Must be an election coming sometime soon.
A Fantastic Marxist inspired gutter article about the BNP. Thing is the people of our once and great land only have to walk out there front door to see the truth, and to see whats happening to our once safe communities. I will be voting BNP and the more the press and lying media tell me not too the more my determination to do so grows. Margaret Hodge has lost the plot, and her answers to questions are like some sort of tape on play back, she actually believes her own garbage. Also any article or writer who has to use the Labour funded Searchlight group (Run by a convicted burglar Gerry Gable) as some sort of reliable information source really is an article that you know is going to be full of lies.
And if people who oppose Third world immigration don't vote BNP? What then? Business as usual, that's what. The Mail's darling Mr Cameron won't change anything and has no intention of doing so. Brown's been talking up a hard line on immigration too - he has the credibility of Canute on that one.
You can't blame people for voting BNP,the other parties won't do anything about immigration.In Bedford now ,you hardly ever hear english spoken on the streets.We have had our country stolen from us,and only the BNP are prepared to do anything about it.
we need a nationalist party maybe not the BNP but one that will support the English citizen becourse we have been let down by all the other parties
If the main parties listened to the the people and actually respected and acted on their views then we would not be looking for hope elsewhere. I am pretty sure that the lip service, shown up to now, to control immigration, by this government is down to in part the BNP. So if for no other reason than this, they are worth it. However much you point out the flaaws of the BNP it will never match the arrogance and corruption of the present government and their current main opposition.
Please do not associate St. George's cross with BNP, they don't represent me, and I am English through and through.
This article is typical of the Lib/Lab/con conspiracy - as highlighted in Browns recent speech calling for all parfties to join together in the fight against the BNP - The truth is that these parties have been complicit in allowing unfettered immigration (indeed in a disgusting show of contempt for the British people and its culture, they have encouraged mass immigration). The hypocracy continues - it seems that when Lib/Lab/Con 'spin' its acceptable but if the BNP employ the same tactics its lies. Lets be clear about the most important issue theatening the UK - its NOT the economy - whoever wins the election there will be massive cuts and pain - the only question is -who gets the most pain. No the biggest issue is the erosion of the British Culture - and remember this hasnt just happened - our ancestors suffered serfdom and were abused for centuries under the class system - we came through this, created a tolerant and fairer society and are now giving it away... WAKE UP
The problem is that so many on the Becontree estate are so gullible they would believe that Griffin was God.
I love general election night - it's always worth staying up for. One of the best bits of all is watching the BNP fail again and again, all night long. Those thugs are so thick they actually think they had a chance of winning - presumably they couldn't understand any of the polling data because they never had any chance at all. Generally their faces show three emotions at once. They clearly want to cry, so they have to quell that. They also try and maintain a quiet dignity in defeat, rarely with much success as dignity is not a regular part of their lives. Thirdly, the old ways start to surface in a moment of stress, and you get a distinct feeling they're resisting the urge to punch-out whoever won the seat. I really hope Hodge beats Griffin to watch that lot acted out on his face.
As loathsome as ever: Gordon Browns Labour Party is STILL the party of lies, violent thuggery and anti white Christain Britishness. It's just a scare tactic headline about Mr Griffin, pointless journalism by the Marxist propagandist Paul Bracchi. Same tired response. Very boring and only fit to wrap around my food waste in my newly acquired 'slop bin'. Can these people not come up with any anything new. Do they not see that the BNP is not going to disappear no matter how many times they verbally abuse the party and its forward thinking leader. They never seem to attack the policies of the BNP just the leaders and the party supporters, why is that?
What a weak & cliche ridden article that gives no examples whatsoever of 'vicious anti-semitism'. The only mention of 'anti-semitism' is a flimsy accusation from Margaret Hodge, & some quotes from the communist "searchlight" organisation & the BNP have 2 jewish councillors ! Expect more articles of this nature as the election draws closer, the establishment is desperate to prevent a BNP breakthrough, in reality, such a breakthrough is the only thing that will scare the government enough to actually do something about the madness labour have created.
Imagine the headline if N Griffin laid hands on wheelchair users and they were able to walk, or he turned water into wine. 'Nasty Nazi Griffin deprives the lame of Invalidity Benefit and acts to increase alcoholismÂ’
"Figures last week revealed that virtually every extra job created under Labour - an extraordinary 98.5 per cent of 1.67 million new posts - has gone to a foreign worker. It's a gift for Griffin and the British National Party," Indeed it was. Except that the figures - now analysed in lots of places on the internet - are rubbish. The real figure is nearer 50% which Fraser Nelson (the writer of the original article) accepts. Maybe the Mail should ask itself why so many of its stories end up on the BNP website. And maybe they should ask themselves what good it does by recycling stories about immigrants/benefits/housing e.g. Francesca Walker first in late 2008 and then again in Jan 2010. If the BNP is in the dock the DM should be there too for aiding and abetting with its sloppy irresponsible journalism.
"As loathsome as ever" - what an apt description of most politicians in this country ! I'm not a racist, although the Labour government likes to brand me so simply because I object to mass immigration. and my taxes being spent on those who have done nothing more than walk through our customs. If I had a BNP candidate standing in my constituency I would vote for him/her. We are sleep-walking to disaster with the way immigration is affecting my country. The BNP is not an illegal party but is treated as such. If my vote causes the political parties to wake up then it's well worthwhile.
Sounds like you are talking about Gordon Brown and his New Labour Party. Yes they don't go round with big sticks but they are more subtle like giving away Great Britain to the EU without holding a REFERENDUM. Contributing to a fund to get Greece out of the mire when we ourselves are broke. Allowing thousands to come and settle here without let or hindrance just so they can change this Country into a New Labour stronghold and stay in power. The BNP are like infants compared with this outrage.
I spoke to my local Labour MP over the weekend. My query concerning a meat-packing plant in the area which only employs Poles as its workforce is ringfenced by a private employment agency "Locals don't want to work there" My query concerning offices set up in the town to deal with Poles claiming benefits : housing, tax credits "There are 3 million Brits in Spain" She has all the answers but I'm convinced votes would go elsewhere if a Bloody Nose Party candidate stood, sadly not enough to dislodge Labour. There is a UKIP candidate, thankfully. Plaid Cymru are too politically correct (no pun intended). I reckon in a week's time, once these non-issues concerning National Insurance, Health & Education are done to death in the media, people will finallywake up to the fact that there is an election on and will demand meaningful debates on the truly important topics such as (in no particular order) : - Afghanistan - Immigration - Bankers' bonuses vs. derisory savings rates
So, how do you explain inner city schools where English is a second language, if spoken at all? How do you explain that while indigenous people wait for housing, those with no ties to the country, let alone the borough get housing? How do you explain that people who arrive here can claim benefits and health care to which they have contributed absolutely nothing to? How do you explain Operation Trident, where only black on black crime is investigated? How do you explain Halal slaughter and forced marriages being allowed here? Trouble is that too many want to bury their heads in the sand and hope it will all go away...well it won't
Dear Daily Mail, Have you told the two Jewish BNP councellers about the British National Parties 'vicious anit-semitism'! They must be aware that the party they are members of and have served for years is opposed to them. Or is this FACT just the inconvenient truth for you again. Regards Lecturer2
Mr Bracchi - you can produce all the evidence to the contary you want but ordinary people only have to take a look around their old neighbourhoods in working class areas to know that that Labour has sold us down the river...
One can perhaps understand why Mr Bracchi, who appears ot be of Italian extraction, is so vitriolic about a party which is proud of the Anglo-Saxon ethnic history of this country. Certainly the BNP has its unsavoury elements. But if he is he saying that the other parties are simon-pure in comparison, excuse me while I chortle. Since when was it 'loathsome' to be proud of one's ancestry and to want to live in the land of one's ancestors, amongst one's own people one's own way as our ancestors always have done? Since the neo-Marxists who want to destory the Christian Civilisation of the West said so, that's when. Such an idea would have been met with incredulity by the generation - the best British generation of all - who fought the Nazis - and the Italian Fascists.
Many people are considering voting BNP out of utter desperation, the concerns affecting the ordinary man in the street are simply not being addressed by any other party. Until someone with the leadership qualities to acknowledge, listen to and act upon the many social issues bothering the electorate, people will look for alternatives.
This is great news. We need desperately some MPs who speak for us - the ENGLISH. Most people I know are veering towards the plucky little BNP (this is NOT a working class area) but will vote tactically in the next election just to keep out the odious Socialist party and its hated unelected leader - the Bottler.
'As loathsome as ever: Nick Griffin's BNP is STILL the party of racist lies, violent thuggery and vicious anti-semitism' Labour, Liberal and Conservative - the parties of racist lies; violent hoodies, thugees and gangsters. BNP is gaining in popularity precisely because it is seen as more humane and reponsible than the monsters who run the country now.
The BNP are gaining ground because they are promising to deliver what people want. That's what Democracy is all about. The three main 'respectable' parties have failed utterly to address the important problems facing this country. If and when they do so the BNP will wither away, but their failure to listen to ordinary people provides a fertile breeding ground for the BNP. Vilifying the BNP is a bit of sport for Lib/Lab/Con but they might wake up and find they've lost the game.
While I accept thios piece as another attempt to paint the BNP in as bad a light as possible, I do think you should be open and honest. You mention the records of some PPC of the BNP but never ever mention the backgrounds of Labour, Libdem and Tory PPC. I am a Tory have voted conservative since I was eligible, but I find these student attacks on the BNP only garner a support. In a democracy you will always have opposing views, in a PR voting system you will have more BNP winners than you will under first past the post. I would say BNP support is a true natural people's lobby, The vote of the people in these areas, who have been disadvantaged by Lbaour and abandoned by the other mainstream parties. At least they are using democractic means to effect a change in their favour instead of blowing up The Tube trains to get their way. Fight them on policies and not on racist rehtoric is the only way to defeat the BNP
Searchlight's main focus is the destruction of the BNP. Its publisher has links with MI5. Searchlight Information Services briefs governments,journalists and the police. I suspect that Paul Bracchi was briefed by Searchlight in an attempt to reduce the BNP vote in the forthcoming elections. I disagree that the BNP is the most successful fascist party ; you have forgotten the Labour Party!
The labour party has had thirteen years to expose itself for what it really is and who they are, and now we know, they are liars cheats fraudsters cheating wheeler dealing scum who despise their own country, people, their own history and culture. A despicable bunch if ever there was.
Yes to all that. However the BNP have not been guilty of the most unalloyed betrayal of Britain and the British people since the dawn of time. Who was it then?
Margaret Hodge is easily offended, She was a little slower to come forward to protect children in her care! If the Labour Student was racially insulted in 2007, I guess there will be a full police report.No mention of it here. Barking is hardly Shangri-La at the moment, largely due to the economic regeneration project being cancelled. This article like many about the BNP is packed full of smears, hints and heresay. Don't you realise that in writing this type of tripe you insult your readers and make people wonder WHY as a tory backed newspaper you are so keen to rubbish the BNP
I'm not sure that this article is particularly helpful in the run-up to the election, as all it does is give the BNP much needed publicity, as they thrive on controversy. Better to ignore the BNP - what you forget you won't vote for, and no-one sane wants this vile party in power.
If the two major parties dealt seriously with immigration & islam, the BNP would not exist. We are not a racist nation, otherwise people would not be fighting to get in. People vote for the BNP out of desperation, not because they believe in all its policies.
Why don't you grow up, and stop trying to earn brownie points.
Okay then. Let's have a little balance eh? Let's have a story about the far left, and what their plans for our country are. Or is this story purely timed because: a) an election is looming, and b) because support for the British National Party is growing. Coincidence? Open mind here, but how the press love to portray anyone at all who even agrees with any one BNP policy, a knuckledragging-skinhead.
Well done Mr Bracchi for highlighting the trviality of everything levelled at the BNP. Would he now like to high light , The hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqs killed in the illegal war Labour took us into. Or the theft from the taxpayer of £ millions of our money, which the whole of the house of Commons took, it could and should have been spent elsewere. Or the grotesque final pensions these downright thieves are going to collect. What is it about the hysteria we in the BNP create. It is a fact that New Labour have irresponsibly flooded this country with Migrants not for any commpastionate reason but solely to collect their votes. I have worked 50 years can Bracchi tell me why i and my countrymen owe the world a living.
Your article has done nothing to stop me from supporting the BNP. I can't vote for them because no one is putting up for election in my area. Having watched countless speeches by Nick Griffin in the EU parliament and at venues throughout the country, this man and his party gets my support. I'm not a racist but I want this country out of the EU and I want our soldiers back home defending this country against EU forces.
i think this article sounds like a smear campaign against the bnp
Nothing wrong in pointing out Mrs Hodges true roots, though I am sure she would prefer to keep them hidden. On an aside I see UKIP are getting a lot of sympathetico press and TV at the moment...Surprise surprise.
A good article and The BNP are an odious collection of mal-adjusted misfits. I'm afraid to say that much of the article could have been written for Labour. Blair's lies in Parliament, an illegal war and hundreds of thousands dead, gross deception on a scale not seen since Goebbels, social engineering by stealth, manipulation of votes by importing voters from abroad. They say that the bigger the lie, the more it's believed. Please consign these Labour misfits to history and don't lets take the BNP too seriously, but remember where the proven threat really is.
The BNP do have a point.
Why didn't you add "Mr Alan Johnson, a rampant hard line communist masquerading as a labour candidate and known liar on immigration" . These comments only appear on BNP candidates and no other party. No doubt when Margaret Hodge put forward her concerns 3 years ago, the BNP had started making inroads into a labour area and she saw she may lose office and the expenses trough. Amazing, how the threat of the sack concentrates the mind. I hope UKIP and BNP take at least 100 seats, and tell us all about the cosy thieving set up the LieLibCon artists have milked for years.
It is the fault of the Labour government and their policies over the last 13 years that has made people angry and desperate enough to vote BNP. The blame lies with nobody else. Expect to see a great deal of votes go their way as the people are just fed up with the governments immigration policies or lack of them. It is only now when they know they are going to be punished for not listening that they are promising the earth to voters. promises that if listened to will be quickly dropped if people are stupid enough to vote Labour.
The BNP speaks for many voters who feel disenfranchised. These are the people who watch in horror as the unstoppable flood of immigration changes the fabric of this country. Christianity is pushed aside (one just has to watch as two writers plan to have the Pope arrested when he steps onto British soil) and one man kills himself because some snitch in his workplace reported him for a ‘racist remark’. Paul Bracchi describes at length the alleged racism of the BNP, turning a blind eye to the brazen anti-British racism of the government and opposition. This is simply another case of a journalist offering his personal opinion rather than reporting news, symptomatic of so many in the newspaper industry today. The BNP is the only political party to address the concerns of a growing number of people in this country. Such concern will become apparent at the polling booth.
Why didn't you add "Mr Alan Johnson, a rampant hard line communist masquerading as a labour candidate and known liar on immigration" . These comments only appear on BNP candidates and no other party. No doubt when Margaret Hodge put forward her concerns 3 years ago, the BNP had started making inroads into a labour area and she saw she may lose office and the expenses trough. Amazing, how the threat of the sack concentrates the mind. I hope UKIP and BNP take at least 100 seats, and tell us all about the cosy thieving set up the LieLibCon artists have milked for years.
Well, if we are talking of 'gross caricatures, then we need look no further than articles such as this. In fact, this damning of the BNP has become so routine, so utterly predictable, that it is almost amusing. Actually, if you are reduced to quoting the so-called anti-fascist 'Searchlight' organization, then you really are scraping the bottom of the empty barrel. Searchlight, you may know, is hand in glove with the Unite Against Fascism group of violent thugs whose leader was recently arrested after attacks on police in Manchester. Any reason why you failed to mention this?
Margaret Hodge, a 'big hitter'? Tell that to the abused kids in Islington, whose abuser she shielded because he was a labour party member. Silly article, same old NUJ marxist rubbish.
Good attempt to put the BNP down .. but infantile . Also , using a quote from searchlight marxists smacks of desperation . Poor old ms Hodge eh ? You forget how much everyone ( not just BNP members) who said anything at all against labours policy on mass uncontrolled immigration is also abused and threatened with being labelled a criminal . You also did not deny that Africans get the grants . Why should any immigrant get grants ? Is this country like America 300 years ago and needed mass immigration ?. Our own people should have been first and with secure employment . Then by all means help others . We all know now the real reason for mass immigration to this country is based on a massive lie to help labour retain power, and the EU referendum denied us .
You may refer to it as the "white flight" in your article BUT had this change in the makeup of our population happened in any other country it would have been called "ethnic cleansing" ! Unless immigration is stopped and even reversed we are within a decade or so of being a country ,where the English are in the minority.
So much discussion has revolved around the issue of disconnection from mainstream politics. The main 3 wouldn't discuss immigration until it became such an obvious public worry, and they still can't do much about immigration because of EU rules. I know a significant number of ordinary people who say they are going to vote BNP. It is no good getting hot under our collars when this happens. Guess what, the voting public have the right to choose any party and any government they want. As an English Democrat I spend a lot of time distancing myself from the racist BNP, but again see many people who want control of mass immigration, not net immigration, at the heart of the agenda.
Who are you to patronise the people of Barking? You talk of racsism and yet the indigenous people of England are discriminated against by the political elite. And as for listing canditates past indiscretions, you are conveniently forgetting to mention that the present Parliament is full of dishonest chancers. Good luck to the people of Barking and their future representative. At least it`ll be your interests he`ll be fighting for.
Following the saying that if you tell a public lie often enough, people will believe it is true, thus the vilification of the BNP goes on, but as is also said there is no bad publicity, just publicity. If it was not for the messing up of Britain with its LibLabCon govt. that has deliberately allowed the unbridalled immigration of many who are economic refugeesi fleeing from messed up Third World countries where in many cases we would not be allowed to immigrate, wrong religion, etc. the BNP was formed as a result of those flawed policies so we can easily assume that the BNP was formed because of the LibLabCon administration. Many voters have the common sense to look past the frenzied, frantic scared name-calling by the LibLabCon to read what exactly do they represent and find that they agree with the BNP policies. Why, Nick Griffin even warned us all about the results of the toxic loans policies of the banks and HE HAS BEEN PROVEN CORRECT. No lies, no spin from the BNP.
Heard Nick Griffin speak many times over many years And never once in public or private as he ever spoke of or condoning violence, thuggery, or anti - Semitism in the BNP Are you sure you not getting mixed up with the AUF, Searchlight or any other anti- democracy movements Your anti - BNP article is perhaps an insult to your readers who can see you for what your are
Utter nonsense. Why can't you for once simply tell the truth.
What a revolting, unsavoury bunch. They claim to be automatically better than anyone who is not white, but in fact they dishonour all of us. They try hard to present themselves as acceptable and electable, but their repulsive views and actions show them up time after time.
He is no worse than bully boy brown , the excuse of a man who lies, cheats and robs the british tax payers just to get there own way. Politics of today stinks of corruption by all three main parties that is why parties like the bnp and ukip gain ground all the time . When cameron comes out with idiotic talk like he is going to ban people caught fiddling while claiming benefits for three years, while mps are aloud to fiddle us out millions and aloud to keep the money and carry on with there fiddles its no wonder tha people vote for them.
If the BNP are so loathsome why are the main parties constantly stealing it's policies in the run up to the general election? Not to mention the several right-wing journalists who regularly expound it's views yet at the same time condemning them as a political party.
I see you chose the usual unflattering picture of Mr Griffin MEP Well Paul Brachhi, since joining the BNP I don't recall any violent thuggery, well actually I do and it came from the so called ''uaf'' which I believe are supported by unions, labour and David Cameron who are signed up supported of this 'political hate gang of thugs . I find you offensive uttering such hateful slanderous propaganda although I am sure you are fulfilling the NUJ dictate to not show the BNP in a favourable light. Butthen as we have been todl by Mandeslhon we live now in apost demcratic era in briatin adn the lieks of the NUJ media Unions, Labour Tory liberals and lest not forget SWP, and BBC /Tory informer Searchlight are helping to get rid of democracy for good from this once free country
Congratulations on getting the truth about the BNP out there - I hope you will continue to do so.
Yes it's election time once more where the usual smears are directed at the BNP at the behest of the left wing National Union of Journalists. Barking if seized by the BNP will become the first line of defence in a fightback by the people who have been there for generations, A BNP controlled council will become a beacon of light and hope to millions of ordinary Brits up and down this island who have been betrayed for years by the corruption and self gain of politicians who care only about power and how much they can put in their own bank accounts. Good luck BNP, onwards and upwards to a better future for all our children.
Then the Politicians must own up that they failed to control immigration and allowed an extremely unfair disproportionate amount to flood areas and change the face of many communities. They must redress the balance where those who have been on housing waiting lists are leap frogged by migrants who often have larger families. Don't they get it yet. Those people you mention above are a normal section of community who are overwhelmed, they are not racist but tired, worn out, put at the bottom of the heap and it is the unfairness of it all that has pushed them to this. If the BNP are gaining votes then why are the Politicians abandoning these people. Don't they care. It is the other parties you must tackle. Send them to Peterborough. Lets see how they would cope in voters situations with migrants living in their sheds. Soaring crime rate and unfair housing lists. Now that would be an enlightening article.
OK, the BNP is loathsome. Why was it formed? Why is there so much support for it? Why is support growing? Answer these questions and you have an indictment of the way this country has been run for the past twenty years and the way the British have been marginalised in their own country.
BNP is the only hope, its now or never, I hope they break through
The writer of this article is beneath contempt, he talks as if the native people are "Racist" for standing up for their own identity, culture & homeland. Millions of people died in the 2nd world war to protect us all from being gobbled up by Hitlers Federal Superstate and yet our own treasonous politicians have conspired against us English for 40 years, the LibLabCon are living on the graves of our war dead like parasites deliberately destroying, dissolving & decaying everything our ancestors fought and died for yet if we speak up we are demonised by the PC bigots as Racists, Fascists, Nazis blah blah blah. I will be voting BNP in May and i believe alot more people than the fake EU puppet parties can possibly imagine will be doing the same!
Oh the irony of this article. Whilst I would normally welcome any anti-BNP article with open arms, it coming from a publication that has done more than any other to twist the truth about immigration is hypocrisy beyond belief.
And so it begins; the usual smear campaign from the government controlled media. Anyone who believes this nonsence must be brain dead. Read their policies, judge them on that, not hearsay.
rubbish, labour has single handedly caused the rise of the BNP, i hope they get in in Barking, why?, because itll frighten people in power to death, they are the traitors not the BNP, they live out of the frustration of decent British people...like me , vote for them and terrify the GOVT, i also blame the media for not taking on Labour and its policies over the last few years .
Searchlight again - spouting bile and misinformation! Labour is sweating buckets - at long last. It fears its own destruction. Hopefully, it will implode, never to raise its ugly head ever again. No political party can get as ugly as Labour and its vile UAF/Searchlight propagators of doom and gloom in the face of the swelling ranks of the British National Party. This country is in a mess, and the PC liberal luvvies are not the cure. Politics today is verbal knuckle-dusting, not Statesmanship. The 'right honourable' is today the 'right dis-honourable'. Perhaps, just perhaps, a fearless fringe party in Parliament will at least shake the Lib/Lab./Con out of their stupor!
Do you know, this `racist` charge is wearing a bit thin now. I am also going to vote BNP, we can at least give them a chance. The two parties who have been in power, namely Cons/Lab. will do nothing about immigration. When people who were bred and born here (and I don`t mean just white people) and who have paid into `the pot` all their lives, see houses and benefits paid to (and lets be honest here) go to people who have travelled over lots of safe countries to get here, just to take advantage of our welfare system, it`s no wonder we are fed up to the back teeth with the `old` parties. The British National Party, may have been `racist` in the past, but then half of the labour party were communists, people change, and now that there is an election near, all the smears and lies about the BNP will start. All I can say is to people, LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE - don`t listen to the left-wing press and their lies.
One thing the BNP got right is the bit about Margaret Hodge. That woman was in charge of some of the worst cases of child neglect when she was in charge of the local authority, she was severelt criticised by the enquiry Judge, yet still manages to remain in the job.
The BNP get my vote... and that's all I have to say on the matter.
A BNP witch hunt article, how refreshing. Sorry, but you're digging for reasons to hate the BNP - they're far more honest than any of the major parties. How often has Brown lied? Skirted issues such as immigration, denied us a referendum on Lisbon? Remember when Cameron promised us that referendum, then changed his mind? How many times has Mandelson stood down, disgraced, and returned with that smug grin intact? You bring up a list of criminal convictions among BNP members... how many LibLabCon members have criminal convictions? How many deserve them (expenses scandal) yet continue to show their faces without an ounce of shame? How many BNP members languised on yachts with Gaddafi's son, at the same time that the Lockerbie bomber was released? Margaret Hodge wants people to be convinced that Labour can "respond to people's frustrations." Margaret, dear, Labour CAUSED our frustrations! BNP voters have nothing to be ashamed of. I'd be more ashamed to vote for LibLabCon!
I see the DM is yet again rehashing old news, rumours and half truths. None of which are new and none of which will stop people using their democratic vote in any way they want to. Why not do a hatchet job on ZANULabour, how about looking into their links to the UAF and Searchlight, and some of the other odious group they support. By the way, the picture you are using of the guy holding a Union Flag is from an EDL rally and has nothing to do with the BNP. Facts seem to be escaping you these days, what next, are you going to come out as Communist Party oops NU Labour supporters?
Thnaks for exposing the BNP, Daily Mail, you have just convinced me to vote for them
Margaret Hodge is knocking on doors and saying that if you vote BNP "there will be aggro on the streets" - the film is out there on the WWW. Is her threat of civil unrest the sort of behaviour suitable for a MP? She is a highly intelligent woman who raised the problem of unchecked immigration in her constituency several years ago, and no-one in the Labour Government which she represents was willing to listen. It would appear that BNP are listening. What will happen if BNP have a landslide victory is that people with no paperwork will just quietly disappear off the streets. There is no need for any form of enforcement and if Nick Griffin went to Cambridge, what's the problem? So did my grandfather.
Their politics sound questionable, but I imagine for a lot of people they sound better than the alternatives. We haven't had a strong leadership since Thatcher. After years of wishy washy spin, lies and rhetoric, it's hardly surprising that people are itching for a militant change. Whether they'd enjoy the change is something else. The BNP sound like Britain's answer to Sharia: harsh, rigid and blinkered. But after Labour's endless liberal pap and PC rubbish, can anything actually be worse?
Sadly this sort of publicity only serves to harden wood be voters' resolve. Perhaps ignoring them would be more effective.
Good luck to the BNP. I'm never voting LIB/LAB/CON again, I believe all the main three parties (and mainstream media) to be morally bankrupt. I believe the only part that will do what it says it will to be the BNP. They've got a lifetimes worth of votes from me now!
So the factual bits tell of local people from all spectrums of life supporting a party with policies to help them and the area, young, middle aged and pensioners both male and female. The fiction and irrelevance is then input by the reporter, past statements with no factual support just somebodys word who is against the party. Minor convictions from decades ago, you could do the same exercise with any other parties PPC's. As for the picture bang in the middle what reference does that have to the article and the BNP, it is likely to have been taken years ago of a supporter of the NF or more recently the EDL. Sorry Daily Mail but the general public can see beyond the lies and propaganda and will vote for a party which actually most of your readers would support if they looked at their website and manifesto. BNP on May 6th for me.
I think it is terrible how BNP websites and newsletters exaggerate, distort the truth and misrepresent what is going on with immigration, racial issues, and so-called positive discrimination in favour of of minority groups. Now what was that bit in the Bible about splinters and beams?
If putting your own people first is fascist and racist then I suppose I stand guilty as charged. I am 61, ex Royal Navy and have never claimed a penny in benefits of any kind. But I see my country being taken over by a foreign invasion and I don`t like it. Now of course we know, as they have admitted, that Labour planned this invasion for their own ends, no matter what the effect on Britain and the British people. But according to the mainstream media, this paper included (of which I am a lifelong reader), if I voice my disagreement at the way immigrants have been foisted upon the British people I am a fascist and a racist. I think it is time that newspapers stopped this demonising of the BNP and started listening to the man in the street. Are the liberal elite who seem exclusively to inhabit newsrooms, Council Chambers & BBC canteens telling the rest of us - the great majority - that we are too stupid to choose who to vote for? We are not.
the elephant is out of the room, immigration and and priority treatment for aliens in social needs . for years this has been a taboo subject . if even mentioned you were in danger of prosecution and called a racist, if the BNP win any seats it will be the fault of the media as i see by this article , its been like a pressure cooker, but you see it will go off,you can pass all the laws you like it wont stop the ordinary person thinking, and you wont stop it , unless you take away the peoples free voting rights ,and that is a possibility under this govt.
The people have the vote. If they vote for the BNP, the BNP will win. That is how a representative democracy works.
The BNP may have an unsavory past. But the recent exposures of the corrupt and complacent crooks in parliament show that they are ideally suited to the halls of Westminister. However, unlike the "Mainstream Parties", the BNP actually represents more of the true British people than all of the other parties put together. The other parties appear to be more interested in appeasing minority interests than representing the main population of the nation (eg. The BRITISH, and more specifically, the ENGLISH.. (Last time I looked, the English were the majority)). Sorry if the BNP leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Get used to it (and maybe buy some mouthwash). Until the underlying (and forced) multiculturalism is brought back into balance with the opinion of the electorate, the BNP and the UKIP, will have an increasing effect on the UK political landscape
We all know this is a load of anti bnp rubbish. Julian Lepparts car number was reported last year and it is a standard number hundreds of cars have the NA51 beginning as widely reported on the web. The other charges are trumped up charges. The nastiest party out there is not the bnp. We can find out the truth for ourselves and most of us no longer give creedence to hate articles like this. All it says is the establishment is running scared. Typical tactic lash out left my opinion or nothing. I am not even a member but if I have a candidate I will be a voter. The sky video of Margaret Hodge asking voters if they had voted bnp last time and intended to to so this time as soon as they opened the door? How dare she? Her party is responsible for the deliberate destruction of britain it doesn`t get worse that
Why worry about a handful of BNP seats in the next Parliament? They are most likely to have been taken from Labour. I for one expect UKIP to take some seats from all parties, and hope that there will be a sufficient number able to play an effective role in a hung parliament. UKIP to me offers sensible policies that do not threaten individuals, or ethnic groups in the same manner as those of the BNP, which to thinking and reasonable people are completely unacceptable..
Even the facts in this article itself contradict the tone . Seems that the £50k money did go to mainly ethnics. Seems that Hodge is Egyptian by her own definition ,. just like all the Asian kids are British...
As usual the DM casts the average white working class voter as idiots for considering voting for the BNP. Everyone knows where the BNP come from but the present corrupt MP's in parliament need to be put down and voters don't get many opportunities to do that. The DM is supporting the conservatives who, when last in power crushed the working class using the police as para-militaries, therefore acting just like the the DM is accusing the BNP of operating. Nu labour admits to social engineering using immigration. Where's the condemnation of the cons and labour parties.
The problem is - and it is a very serious problem - that by the media keep demonizing the BNP and ignoring that UKIP even exists they encourage voters either to vote for the BNP because that's the only option to the LabLibConGreen Party's policies they know or not to vote - which is what allowed Labour to win last time with just 23% of the potential vote. Perhaps that's the plan this time - why else would the media ignore a moderate party that still addresses such issues as immigration, the EU and the Climate Change scam?
An interesting and well argued article, but unless the main parties start addressing peoples' concerns regarding immigration the BNP will continue to attract votes. None of the three major parties has anything to say that addresses the fears and frustrations of the white English who are concerned at the loss of national identity.
Complete twaddle. How the BNP draws the creative side from the fabrcators of news.(sorry i mean reporters). Mass Immigration isn't the fault of the BNP. They may not be everyone's cup of tea,but thet are a much needed outlet for peoples anger for the failure to get to grips with the immigration issue..after all its not a recent occurance.
I too would vote for the BNP at this election but I have been away for so long now that I am no longer eligible to vote. I do believe that support for the BNP would melt away if only we had a proper conservative Tory party who would put the interests of Britain and the British first and foremost. The present Conservative Party does not inspire confidence that the really dreadful problems facing the nation will be addressed with honesty, integrity and ruthless determination to put right the disasterous damage inflicted on the nation by 12 years of Labour.
The BNP is and always will be a Nazi type party, with obviously,l 'bovver boys', thugs. illiterates as the mainstay. Those with a modicum of intelligence such as Nick will always rise to the top of this sort of party, simply because they have about 10 brain cells.
This article just makes me more determined to vote BNP at the next election. I shall return to the pathetic remnants of a great country and vote to stop immigration immediately, repatriate asylum seekers, rapists, ne're do wells and their ilk, benefit seekers who have not contributed one penny to the system and although it will cost me a lot of money, I feel that it is worth it.
I dislike everything about the BNP - intensely. But I would shed no tears for Margaret Hodge to be cast out of politics, especially after her alleged performance as a councillor over child abuse in East London.
"Margaret Hodge, to her credit, raised this issue in 2007" - only AFTER the BNP had started to make in-roads in her constituency. She is just as culpable as the rest of the Labour party for ignoring the problems for so long. "The grandmother a few doors up? BNP. The middle-aged man at the house with a dodgy extension; BNP. His next-door neighbour; BNP. Two pensioners, behind the blue and brown doors, across the street; both BNP. A third pensioner, male, walking along the pavement. 'Yes,' he would be voting BNP, too."......"The reality is that too many in his party are wedded to the BNP's old street-fighting roots," said a Searchlight spokesman. My word! These pensioners are a rough lot! Better get the riot squad in! Mr Bracchi, congratulations on filling your quota of anti-BNP brownie points with the National Union of Journalists.
Unbelievable. How does the DM have the audacity to pen such an utterly hypocritical article??
Think what you like about the BNP, but at the end of the day enough people gave them the means to be where they are now today. Think it's called democracy. What's the betting that some people will now call me a fascist for my totally unbiased comment!!!!!
There will be many people who are voting BNP who do not want to, but looking at the present policies of the 3 main parties they will feel as though they have no choice.
The same old propaganda, we've heard it all, and it does not wash anymore. Why don't you explain how most London boroughs offer cash incentives for long term residents to get out of their houses, to let a family in with many kids. The Londoners moving out have been in the same house for many years, and their only 'crime' is that their children have grown up and left home. This is just one way that you get the white flight. 'Among them are Martin Wingfield (Workington), jailed after failing to pay a fine imposed for inciting racial hated back in the Eighties' This gentleman should get a medal in my estimation, since his 'crime', disputed words, ranks as a similar 'crime' to the lady reported in this newspaper,as having been fined £1,000 and tagged for selling a goldfish.
The thought of BNP controlling a 600-million budget is sobering, however no more so than the thought of Brown let loose on the countries finances for another year. I, for one, will be voting BNP.
Why is the Mail working for Labour in Barking? Why are you supporting the work of evil thugs such as the UAF? Do you really think that this minor catalogue of misdemeanors and vague allegations in some way balances the crimes of the liars, thieves and traitors of the mainstream parties?
You do realise the majority of BNP supporters are Mail readers.
The Daily Mail reporters should be unbiased. This hysterical style of reporting is absurd, anyone can look at the BNP website and see it's a pack of lies. Why must we have to put up with this drivel?
" Indeed, Margerat Hodge......has been the target of what can only be described as an ugly, vicious and highly personal campaign ..... Exactly what the Press inflict on the BNP.
The statement "At present, those considered to have the greatest need are automatically able to jump housing lists, meaning new immigrants with children sometimes leapfrog people with longer-standing links to the community who may have been waiting longer." underlies the whole problem and is the what causes grandmothers and other regular folk to support a party like the BNP. The idea that immigrants can come to Britain and jump to the front of the queue for a council house, in front of our home-grown parasites, is completely wrong. These people have contributed nothing to Britain, and should not be housed at the expense of the British taxpayer. Many believe they should not be admitted to the country in the first place. That's not racism.
Margaret Hodge quotes 'If we don't really expose them for what they are over the coming weeks and if we don't convince people that Labour can actually respond to people's frustrations and aspirations, we're in danger of the BNP winning.' Too little too late Margaret your party have already been exposed as a bunch of lying marxist cheats.Good luck to Mr Griffin he seems to be the only one who is addressing the isssues of the local people of Barking and Dagenham.
It's a sad indictment of both main political parties that we are willing to believe, without question the sort of rubbish that the bullyboys of the BNP spew out and yet few of us believe anything the main parties say. It's up to us to ensure that our proper political parties address issues that we feel are important (immigration, crime, education, defence whatever). If they don't then it's up to us to ensure they do - that's what MPs are for surely? It's up to us to question facts thrown at us by any party. If they're throwing statistics at you ASK for details for goodness sake. That goes for any party. I would encourage anyone who is considering voting for the BNP to do a little research on them and their leader before giving them your precious vote. Don't fall for the gloss - check the details.
The BNP slogans have been backed up by effective community campaigning: clearing graffiti, picking up litter from parks and streets, even taking old folk to the bingo So this is wrong is it? Working in the community ,for the good of the community is now something to denigrate! Isn't it time you left the people to decide who to vote for instead of this constant smearing of a political party many ordinary,thinking members of the public will support.
The picture you use doesn't look violent to me, and the irony of someone like Hodge being ousted by the BNP is delicious!
Absolute Drivel. Can't you tell it's election time and the NUJ are demanding the 'right' sort of articles be published.....
Oh dear, the Anti BNP are out, must be an election coming up. time to start all the racist accusations by morons like this reporter Paul Bracchi. At least the BNP stand up for this Country.
Don't vote for the BNP, they are a wasted vote! vote for our great leader Gordon, look Gordon Brown is absolutely dedicated and commited to getting us out of this financial mess that wasn't his fault, im sure he lays awake at night worrying about what the economy is like at that minute, he probably dreams of pound signs, banks etc. Plus he has a good team includes the delightful Milliband brothers, Harriet Harman, Ed balls, Alan Johnson etc.
"Let's begin with immigration, an issue which the major parties - particularly Labour - have singularly failed to address, and which the BNP has ruthlessly and shamelessly exploited in Barking. " Yes, let us begin with the above quote from you correspondent. There is nothing 'ruthless or shameless' about voicing what the majority of the indigenous British public inwardly think, but are prohibited by 'ruthless and shameful' laws, of speaking out against. I am over 70 and I too shall be voting BNP as a protest against the mass immigration, and the resulting problems, which recent Governments have not only failed to address but openly encouraged. I am not a racist or violent thug but served my country for over 50 years in military, civil and public service, both at home and overseas. I am now forbidden by law to voice my opinions openly about the concerns I share, along with countless millions of other decent people who have devoted their lives to making this Nation what it once was.
You don't have to vote for the BNP. You have plenty of choice... in fact- you could vote for the EU Lib-Lab-Con party. That way.... you can enjoy all the blessings mass EU immigration brings the United Kingdom..... each and every day. So - you see.... you can be a happy sheep...and just carry on voting as you always did....and always will.
A recent poll suggested a huge majority have concerns about immigration into this country, a fact that NONE of the parties will acknowledge as was highlighted by a story in your newspaper just a few days ago, so is it any wonder the BNP are becoming an ever increasing force. You highlight some of itÂ’s members as having a less than wholesome background, do you mean they cannot match the squeaky clean image of our current and some of our past political elite, do you really think your readers are so dumb or have been inhabiting another planet these last 6 / 12 months not to see how ridiculous it is to try to make such capital out of an imagined link to a car number plate for example, give it a rest.
Well...I'll be voting BNP too. No one else is listening.
The only people to blame for the increase in xenophobic tendencies are the MPs of the Lib/Lab/Con trinity. Their apathy in dealing with the problem of unrestricted immigration has sent people in droves towards the BNP. I hope the BNP wins several seats in Parliament. I am so tempted to vote for them myself, however, I find their anti-semetic stance abhorrent to say the least. However, the harsh. cold fact is that British politics have stagnated and they could do with some fresh blood to give the 'apathetic big three' a damn good scare and a good shaking up. Many of my ex-pat associates and colleagues will be voting BNP or UKIP because the truth of the matter is that millions of us are sick and tired of being treated as second class citizens in our own country, we are sick of watching as our culture is being slowly but surely eroded away and we are sick of the politically correct claptrap that seems to exist simply to ruin the lives of decent people.
I don't agree with the BNP, but this article is so skewed it is embarrassing.
Searchlight? Why do these kind of stories always mention this group? Who are they anyway, and what do they do in their day jobs? How are they funded? Is it Militant Tendency?
When you get rampant immigration promoted by Labour; backed by the Conservatives because of their weak protestations and corruption in Parliament, you get votes like this. I don't give a damn what this paper publishes about Griffin. I give a damn about the way this country is going under the mainstream parties. I'll be voting BNP too. NOT because I particularly like the BNP, but because a term of them in office, should shake the comfortable, shifting sand foundations, of the boring old farts we have now, in Westminster.
Labour is the racist party. They discriminate against the majority by using their political correct regimes whilst simultaneously turning us into a socialist nation controlled by the EU, and the Tories are no different. The BNP supports British born citizens. People of all races are born in the UK. They use stereotypical pictures of people to show that they are foreign and are getting benefits before UK born citizens. It's easier to depict a Muslim or Hindu over someone who is from Switzerland. And calling someone the “Egyptian” is not racist. It's like someone calling me the Brit. It's a fact that I'm British, how is it racist? A lot of what the BNP picks on are foreign matters because the Labour party gives so much of our taxes and power to them and gives us nothing. The BNP doesn't want a socialist country, they want a democracy. I'll be voting BNP because I believe they have Britain's best interests in mind.
Interesting article with contributions from "Margaret Hodge" and "Searchlight" If the writer is so desperate to discredit the BNP then surely it would have had more of an impact by seeking out some discruntled council taxpayers from the borough, to write an article and use contributions from Margaret Hodge a discredited champagne Socialist and Searchlight who are renowend to be Fascist, antidemocratic, and occupied by a load of thugs. Sorry but the arguements in this column are very weak and very old hat , if you are going to spread the anti BNP message get out and dig up some real dirt if you can find out, this article is lazy journalism which tells us alot obout the writer
Blah Blah Blah...........more smears.........Blah Blah Blah, Turn up the heat it's not long till May the 6th. They are running scared. I would love to see a real debate with Nick Griffin a one on one. Make it happen. If the BNP are so bad we will all see wont we........ Oh i get it we cant have them telling the TRUTH can we. Good luck Mr Griffin
If I wanted to read overwhelmingly biased, agenda-led drivel such as this, I'd buy the guardian.
This article could have been written by a student of Joseph Goebells, for it's subtle anti-BNP propaganda and falsehoods. It claims the BNP to be 'fascist'. Fascism supports the oppressive corporate state that identifies war as essential for the cultural well being - that is more in line with the Labour/Tory/LibDem pact that bails out big business, and sides with the powerful corporations against the people; these three parties essentially offering the same thing to the electorate that they effectively create a single party state. That is the complete opposite of the BNP's aims. NA51 is a standard car registration prefix that will be assigned to a car first registered in Newcastle. There are plenty there. Is Paul Bracchi suggesting that Tyneside is full of Nazis? And it's funny that this article refers to Searchlight as an anti-fascist group when it's actually a Communist Party controlled front organisation.
Daily mail is the most hypocritical newspaper in the UK. Nearly every day initiates hatred against foreigners on the front page. But stands against the BNP which supports the same with regards to immigration. Don't you know that the majority of your readers vote BNP????! I assume Mr. Brachhi doesn't live in Barking...
A smear article! Is there an election coming up by any chance? - Where are the 'racist lies' if, as the article admits, homes and jobs have been given to foreign people over locals? - Where is the 'violent thuggery'? All I see is a picture of EDL supporters, who have nothing to do with the BNP. - Where is the 'vicious anti-semitism'? Nothing is mentioned except that the BNP, like many people, dislike Hodge because of her politics. People vote for the BNP because they like their policies which, if you actually read, make a lot of sense.
... so Paul Bracchi's unprofessional hysterical anti-BNP rantings confirm the BNP are doing far better than shown by lying statistics of fraudulent political polls carried out by Labour, the Tories, the Lib-dems and the mainstream media ...
So you cant be British if you're Catholic, and the British don't overthrow regimes with violence? Do you actually know anything about Britain?
To not in my name of London- what on earth do you mean English is not a race? English is both a language and a race-generally accepted to mean those of Anglo-Saxon origin. Everyone has a race,the family name and mother tongue give a clue.
To vote BNP & UKIP should not be regarded as "protest" votes they are votes for party,s that have representative,s that were not born with silver spoons in their mouth,s. How can the the past & present government have any idea what real life is like. They dont have to struggle to pay bills, use public transport,use supermarkets, fight to get their kids in a decent school. Ask any of them how much a school lunch cost.s or a bag of spuds loaf of bread or even the "standing charge" for gas electric & phone bill they would not have a clue. They live behind high walls electric gate's & the only immigrants they know of are the rich Arab,s that live in the next house about half an acre away.
British values and traditions. A phrase used frequently by British Citizens, but only by Government when it suits them. I quote from a previous post,by ghost maker Croydonistan,***** In the last decades I feel like I have been transported to a country and time I know nothing about! Everything I have learned and valued has changed, My neighbours don't know me or interact with me, My hometown is now a slum.The hospital I was born in is unfit for purpose. The only light at the end of my tunnel of life for me is I'm nearer the end than the beginning..R.I.P MY ONCE BELOVED ENGLAND, For you DIED before ME**********I find this very moving and poetic. The British Government HAVE LOST CONTROL having SURRENDERED ITS POWERS TO THE EU, by REFUSING to get us out of it. Everything we have learned and valued has changed. This Country is no longer recognisable as Britain.
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again! - disenchanted , West Yorkshire, 07/3/2013 11:39 ----- Wrong bogey-man mate. Britain's national decline began with the fatal embrace of relativism as the old Empire slipped away. Withdrawal from the EU will not do a jot to change the violent, drunken, fornicating yobs who befoul our cities and towns. To make Britannia live again would require a moral and social revival of the kind seen in the 1830's.
I'm living in Germany and the germans aren't happy about it either.....
I know you won't hear this because like religious people you too have been brainwashed but the the royals,the titled and the obscenely rich suck the poor and poor saps like you applaud them now go and wave your silly flag
I seem to remember that when I was very young a politician by the name of Barbara Castle said something to the effect that all these people coming to our shores would be assimilated, there would not be ghettos in this country and we wouldnt notice them in a little while. She went on to suggest that any who did notice them was a racist. At that time they were coming from the West Indies. At least those early immigrants knew something about Britishness or thought they did but some must have been disappointed when they got here.
from what I've read lately, y'all have been eating enough horsemeat to qualify as being partially French, not unlike that big underground tunnel...
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again!
Sadly, writing an article like: Don't break the bonds of Britishness is, in itself, viewed with suspicion. Not by British people. It rules out the idea of a willingness to integrate with our neighbours, irrespective of nationality, race or creed. Now we have integrated, and opened up our island to everyone who belongs to the EU, we no longer have any control over this situation, legally or morally or even economically. We must work together. We cannot tolerate individuality. Neither can we go back on these EU policies. We just negotiate what might be in it for us. Any talk of losing our British identity is met with - there's that word again - suspicion. The British are a caring and generous nation. We look after everybody. Yet the limit of our willingness must have been passed many, many years ago. That would always have been my first concern. It's just common sense.
And still the sheep will vote LibLabCon !!
The whole idea was to break down the bonds of Britishness, so each Briton bereft of family, true friends and compatriots would be at the mercy of the state all alone.I think they have succeeded, and if you believe any politician who says they will try and put things right, well would you like to buy Sydney Harbour bridge, I can get you a good deal?
A BNP vote is the only protest vote.
It was all planned to be this way.....
"You may say that the virtues I described in Britishness exist largely or only in the imagination. But that is where we spend much of our lives." What on earth are you babbling about? So you're saying that because you may have made it all up thats ok because we all live our lives in fantasy land? Or did you just mean Daily Mail readers?
Dear smith123 in Basingstoke, I voted for Griffin (BNP) in the 2009 euros, and was delighted to see he got in. Never see him on the Parliament Channel though, censored by the beeb. I'm 66, and basically a lifelong tory, but no more. As of now the future is UKIP. But if they go pearshaped it will be the BNP. What else? Where the hell else do you go?
I am English. I believe I'm an endangered species. I've certainly abandoned my traditional habitat for a safer haven.
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 06/3/2013 12:10 No we will not - not until we take to the streets in our millions. Do you REALLY think that any of our politicians are actually going to let the likes of you and me unravel the carefully laid plans for a United States of Europe ? Of course not, they will bluff, bluster and lie until it is too late for us to do anything. There will not even be a chance to leave unless it is to another EU country.
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.......................................................... I bet you many pounds that they would. Hopefully we'll never find out!
Is this a serious article - stiff upper lip as a defining feature of being British. What a load of tripe
At the 2015 general election vote for UKIP. Do not believe Camerons lies regarding a referendum on the EU. Just vote UKIP in with a majority and we will be out of the EU within two weeks of Parliament opening. That is all that is needed. A cross on a voting paper against the UKIP candidates name.
Uk will become the human dustbin of Europe within five years
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria."________________________________________________________________________________________________ Poppycock. Romanians and Bulgarians are not the problem, the main problem is the non-integration of alien faiths from further afield. The other significant issue is successive governments that insist on extending benefits to people who have either never paid into the system or don't have parents or grandparents who have paid into the system. Demonising East Europeans is nothing but a pusillanimous way of skirting the real, rather trickier, issues and as such is part of the problem.
As always a great article from Andrew,our so called leaders need to remember this is our Country not theirs,they have no right to give it away,UKIP is the one party which will put a stop to this.???
I am proud to be British. Just like my ancestors were who included Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Viking and possibly in the distant past Norman/French. My children have a Belgian mother and my son in law is Italian. Thank goodness we didn't have immigration to dilute the stock of us typical English.
My real fear is that our world leaders won't let us leave the EU even if UKIP do win. Even America wants our banking organisations to remain in the EUSSR As along with Germany they intend to rule the world one day.And yes i know how daft i sound but how do we know if we have a referendum they won't rig the results.
Very poignant article. The very fabric of our country is being eroded and unless we revolt there is little we can do. The only hope is UKIP in 2015.
Historically, Cymraeg (Welsh) has also been known in English as "the British tongue" (Wiki). Also, George Orwell wrote in his Tribune column: ¿At one time I would have said that it is absurd to keep alive an archaic language like [Scots] Gaelic, spoken by only a few hundred thousand people. Now I am not so sure. To begin with, if people feel that they have a special culture which ought to be preserved, and that the language is part of it, difficulties should not be put in their way when they want their children to learn it properly. Secondly the Scottish Gaelic-speaking peasants speak beautiful English, partly, I think, because English is an almost foreign language which they sometimes do not use for days together. Probably they benefit intellectually by having to be aware of dictionaries and grammatical rules, as their English opposite numbers would not be." He was writing ¿1984¿ while living on the Isle of Jura at the time.
It is called globalization.
We are England, we speak English. Why on earth should we spend thousands and thousands of pounds printing documents in every language under the sun? If you chose to live here, take time to learn our language - there are plenty of free classes! Does anyone think about the weight it puts on teachers who have to cope with children who can't understand a word of what is going on in a class? We can all embrace different cultures in what they bring to the UK such as dance, food, literature etc, but we don't want to change to suit them, they should change to fit in with our society!
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria...." - evidence, please, Mr Alexander. Or do you subscribe to the view that if you and the other RightMinds contributors say something often enough, it becomes true?
Britain has been all but destroyed by those that have ill used her and made a profitable plaything of wars and the lives of those that died fighting them. These enemies are among us, look like us, and sound like us. All a deceipt ,as the mass privatisation (corporatisation) that began under Thatcher, curse her, has accelerated as "governments" (sic) hollowed out our great manufacturing ability, and even sent the profits of our energy industries to France and Germany while our infrastructure rots and foreign companies profit by covering our countryside in weather altering and ugly windmills. Animal farm, by Eric Blair predicted such, along with the death of clover, the strongest and best of the animals. No wonder these evil, slimy toads want secret courts. Self preservation: Strongest among the most evil diseases that afflict humanity.
They already have. To these people the definition of Britishness means absolutely nothing.
As far as I am Concerned; all the politicians from the three main parties are guilty of High Treason and I hope one day to see them sentenced accordingly.
To me, a brilliant and moving essay.
Politicians are only now being forced to acknowledge our concerns. They've known about them, they have buried their heads and made token speeches. The argument between Cons and Lab about not prosecuting employers flouting minimum wage and undercutting, it as I watched Parliament live questions yesterday tells me all I need to know about how the voters are thought of. Excessive immigration was high on the list at the last election and they have only themselves to blame for the anger that is rising and their scramble to look as though they are listening. If it hadn't been for U.K.I.P. addressing our concerns then they still, as Stuart Jackson has said on the Daily Politics, would not have the political will to sort it. We can see the balance of our community changing, hear it, everyday. This was not asked for by the voter and when I in the 60's as a young woman saw small numbers Polish, Italian and Indian in my community, there was no problem, our Britishness was in no doubt. Not now.
All Too Little ,To Late
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.
Britishness at a personal level encompasses a variety of values: the stiff upper lip (another name for self-control), a strong sense of fair play and a (lingering) sense that how you play the game is as important as whether you win. Tolerance is a key virtue. Good manners and even the instinct to queue matter..................................Yes, all the 'virtues' that got us into this mess in the first place!
The aim of most of the politicians is a European superstate with no national boundaries,an elite in charge,no citizens with citizens rights,but low-paid drones who dont own anything,and with weak family ties, as the family has been undermined by so many forces,especially education and the media. This is the new world order,which Tony Blair and Gordon Brown envisaged,-they actually said this,but this dream is not confined to left-wing or liberal politicians.The current financial crisis,may have been deliberately engineered to destabilize the world economy and bring this situation about. If this nightmare world is not want people want for themselves or their children,they need to act. The most important thing is leaving the EU to begin with.
I refuse to accept the description British. Abu Qatada and most of his supporters are British and to equate me and several million other people in this Country with those treacherous Scumbags, insults us all. I don't care what I am referred to as I have English, Welsh and Irish forebears, but British, NEVER.
The bonds of Britishness are being destroyed. It is essential in the cause to create a EU super-state. By diluting native populations in ALL European countries, mixing them up with peoples from all over Europe they are creating their vision of what the future "country" of Europe will look like. It is clear the government is playing it's part in this dilution of nations when you see the never ending refusal (or delaying) of a referendum on EU membership. The latest one we've been promised will be sometime AFTER the next election, after hundreds of thousands more EU migrants are here, every week, every day, every hour, more people from EU countries arrive here, are these people going to vote for Britain leaving the EU? Of course not! The super-state is still on course and nations are being dissolved into the mix. A referendum will not be granted until it's outcome is assured in favour of remaining in the EU.
UKIP is the only way now, the others have had their chance and did nothing. I am so cross I could even vote BNP. and God help this country if they got it in. Al - Hants
A brilliant article!
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!!
The politicians made empty promises to get into power and then reneged. Successive British governments have committed treason against this once-wonderful country, this jewel, this sceptred isle, by betraying everything and everyone. The situation can never ever be rectified, as the damage is now done. I detest them for selling us down the river, by going against everything and allowing unlimited immigration and overseeing our demise. You will never be forgiven.
Oh Wyrdtimes, you are so right. Whilst we can enjoy the richness of our United Kingdom, the four nations that constitute it are very different, a fact which our politicians appear to recognise with only three of them. Please, please can you let me know why we are not allowed an English parliament and why nobody said anything when our sister nations were devolving around us? Why are we, the largest of the four nations, not given the same rights as our northern and western counterparts? Perhaps it is because, as this article about ENGLISHNESS states we apologise for our very being, maintain a stiff upper lip in the face of adversity and just get on with it when we are so unfairly treated. Would that we displayed some of the more demanding characteristics of our French neighbours!
Two separate but related issues here: National Identity & Immigration. The former should never be used to justify restricting the latter because we have always been a nation of immigrants. Sometimes brutally like 1066, the origins of our present monarchy. It is the numbers game & its impact on jobs, housing & public services which matters most. Practical things, not ethereal things. Good to see Andrew trying to define Britishness, a concept which only goes back to the 1707 Act of Union. Good to see him admit that this is largely a thing of the imagination. Few of us would wish to be conscripted into a Great National Identity Project like Hitler tried to foist on the Germans. Stick to numbers, Andrew. That's what really matters.
Do try and keep up , young Alexander, the ethnic cleansing of Britian has been going on for decades, and those who have pointed this out forcefully have been villified and ostacised by "all right thinking people" aka the Establishment for doing just that. It is only now when the multicultural flood is lapping at the doorseps of the members of that establishmernt elite that they have even deigned to notice it!
Andrew oh Andrew, the England i grew up in, you as well, so sad to see it's demise, ruined beyond repair.by all political parties
In London there is an area in Victoria, called Petty France, where French Huguenot refugees congregated, in The City there is Old Jewry and of course we know about Golder's Green. In the first half of The 20th Century, Clerkenwell was an Italian enclave. Kilburn and Hammersmith had predominantly large Irish Catholic populations. In the late 19th Century, Chinese seaman came ashore at The London Docks and formed communities in Limehouse. In Santa Monica, California you will find that , many of the hundreds of thousands of Brit's, many illegal over stayers, have formed a Little England with pubs and shops where you can buy Kit Kat's and Cornish Pasties. Britain's 2 most celebrated Immigrants were William Of Orange and of course George The First who never bothered to learn too much English. Many of our English Traditions, were introduced by foreigners, Christmas trees, tea and Curry. There is nothing more traditional about our country, than foreigners coming to live here.
As many have already said, The horse had bolted We have been betrayed by the political classes who are only interested in keeping us involved with the criminal organisation that is The European Union
Translated: vote BNP, the only party that cares about homogeneity. Except that you wouldn't dare write that, would you?
lily livered politicians will never break faith with the eu. they regard the eu as where they will go when kicked out of the uk paliament .nobody bites the hand that would feed them. as a british country we are finished
In times of economic recession, the Right look for scapegoats - those who look different to us, sound different to us, worship differently to us. Look what happened to Germany in the 1920s. Beware!
Alexander has made an insulting comment to British Catholics in his article. We Catholics are just as much British as those who profess to be C of E or atheist. Our Faith does not make us any less British.
All dosy dave millipead...and the rest of them worry about is votes! and sod Great Britain
I'm old enough to know what it was like to FEEL british through and through ( ask your grandparents ) Today, that "feeling" is all but gone and with it very sadly my feelings of allegiance to my country
It is too late, the travesty of the dilution of the British way of life and character has been achieved . Can it get worse? By all means if giving the EU the free hand to let all and sundry enjoy the cornucopia of the welfare state. A cultural pogrom was allowed to happen by all political parties. By the time UKIP will or will not get a foothold into British politics, the damage will have been done and will be irreversible.
Trudi Worcester ......you are correct , they are waiting for us dinosaurs to die out , the younger ones have been brought up to accept what we never will !
Has the word ENGLISH become a racist term not to be mentioned. I am not British, I AM ENGLISH, there is a difference, we are becoming a minority in our own country.
The "stiff upper lip" is actually an American expression (according to Paul Johnson's History of the American People).
Have a look at the UN's 'Rights of the Indigenous People Act' which our leaders refused to sign up to. I am starting to get slightly paranoid, there is something 'not quite right' in what is happening in the UK and I am normally very level headed.
And they wonder why the British public do not trust politicians. They have committed TREASON over the past few years for treading the EU path and should be punished accordingly for destroying this once mighty land.
Breaking the bonds of Britishness lies at the heart of the European Plot.
When British became used instead of English, Welsh, Irish, or Scottish is when our Country went down the slippery slope!
I knew this years ago that's why I voted no against the advise of the press for our continual membership of the Common Market, we had the best of everything with our Commonwealth of nations, all we have now are imports people are too scared to upset them, I will be voting UKIP it's our only hope and possibly too late!
The arrogant British Establishment and their lackeys in LibLabCON have RUINED the UK - on the alter of a United States of Europe. God may forgive them, but I NEVER will. I want my country back - as much as we possibly can, anyway. And that means leaving the EU. Vote UKIP.
I regard myself as British and will definitely be voting UKIP at all forthcoming elections.
To late my friend ....... the horse has bolted........
But Andrew, you know that the political class have the British and all we stand for. They are like the 17th and 18th century fops who thought everything French and Italian was superior to ours. They think so lowly of us we are not to be allowed to run our own country, whatever personal embarrassment the lies and distortions over the EU and a referendum might cause particular Conservatives to keep us in.
Whilst right on many points, you lose when you state 'our race' English is not a race. Also, last time I looked west indians do not speak a different language, are predominately christian and have integrated massively since the sixties. Please write fact not continue down this path of scaremongering. There are real issues with the coming EU change focus on that.
CLOSING THE STABLE DOOR WHEN THE HORSE HAS BOLTED COMES TO MIND.
What has happened to our country by our politicians is summed up by one word. TREASON
I am an Englishman.
What we need to understand is the reason we're witnessing a deliberate dismantling of our culture. It's nothing to do with rubbing anyone's nose. It's about future loyalty to the EU. We're collectively expected to transfer our loyalty and fight for them just as enthusiastically and effectively as we have fought for the Crown. They do understand that us old ones are never going to play ball. We're written off, it's simply a case of taking our accumulated money back. But the kiddiwinks are an open book and thus a different story entirely.
Those in power have decided to replace the British people with immigrants. That's just about all you need to know to grasp the political position.
It's the bonds of Englishness that are being destroyed because neither the British government or the British establishment media will talk about England.
The only conclusion to this article is to leave the EU but, alas, I fear it is too late if any of the 3 main parties stay in power. Time for UKIP.
Why won't the author admit he's talking about England not Britain?
It was Sarcozy who launched a war on Libya at the instigation of Bernard Henri Levy in aid of jihadi terrorists, killing up to 100000 people ad ensuring the spread of terrorism AND more refugees to europe...not Livingstone. Livingstones only crime it seems is being left wing
Sarko, the architect of the proposed European super state run by a French elite. Livingstone, friend of IRA terrorists who murdered Londoners and apologist for Islamist terrorists. He thinks Chavez and Castro are to be admired. Just thank God he was never our leader in a one party Marxist government here!. The pair of them are nasty little men on the make!
If you think Hollande will screw up,just think what Strauss Kahn would have done
Would we miss them.No chance.
Its not unthinkable a millitart coup could happen in a european country like greece or spain or the people overthrow their leaders, any country what loses support of its police and army are in deep brown stuff and how long will it be before that happens. - Mickey Mouse, london, 02/5/2012 09:57 Well Michael, why do you suppose the British army has been tied up in unpopular wars at a time when we have had our sovereignty handed over to the EU by a traitorous establishment, coincidence?
That would be great all we need then is to see the back of Mad Merkal. Its obvious that, like in UK, the thinking French citizen wants out of the EU they also want out of the single currency. Hanging on to the these failed European experiments will only make the dying even more painful. Lets make 2013 the year Europe gets its sanity back, and start planning the wind up of both the Euro and the EU. Come on France show us the way dump Sarkozy NOW!
In 1981 Red Ken became Leader of the Greater London Council. He was a populist thorn in the side of the then Conservative government so Mrs T abolished the GLC. In 1981 François Mitterrand became President of France. I worked in France in the period 1982 to 1986. I used to ask various colleagues at work why they had voted him in. Even in 1982 almost all denied that they had voted for him! Sarkozy is not popular but anybody voting left either in London or in France will regret it quite soon.
Politicians are elitists they will tell you anything to gain power and once on the gravy train the selfish lusting for all the benefits it brings determines the agenda.Red Ked or Boris? does it really matter in the long run I doubt it .Can we really blame the man in the street for the crisis we are now in ? no .But apart from putting an x in a box on poling day what can the man in the street do ?, place trust in a flawed system of lies deceit and politcal aloofness.I hate politics posh people and the worrying rallying call of articles like this that preach that an alternative not favoured is worse than whats on offer at the moment .Many people vote a certain way because Dad did they have a small understanding of politics and a blinkered view of the world .I will never vote for a Tory again as long as I live the wholesome image they portray is betrayed by the reality of what you get when you scratch the surface .
Its not unthinkable a millitart coup could happen in a european country like greece or spain or the people overthrow their leaders, any country what loses support of its police and army are in deep brown stuff and how long will it be before that happens.
Yes, electorates have rumbled the each way political punters who bet their future on an undemocratic E.U.. They're unlikely to swallow the same hollow promises that have been reheated and served up again for the umpteenth time.
The EU will not die until the people of Europe kill it. We'll never get to vote it dead. It won't lack money because it's perfectly willing to bankrupt entire countries to keep itself going. There doesn't even seem to be a terrorist organisation dedicated to it's destruction. How's that possible? How come we've never seen a muslim burn that blue flag with the stars on it? Brussels is so keen on forcing everyone to fly that rag but I've yet to see anyone torching it and stomping on the ashes.
Living in France I have been watching this election with great interest. I find Sarkozy to be a liar. France is more expensive to live in than the UK and the wages are lower. How can he say he is there for the workers. Work more and earn more is his slogan. And lets get rid of immigration. It's the expats that are keeping the country going. I know a lot of French people who are more than happy to sit on their derriere and do nothing. However his slogans in 2007 worked, in 2012 we find French workers paying more and earning less. He needs to go NOW. I hope that France will get rid of him. He is a rotten egg.
The people of the UK and the Europe are turning on the mainstream political elite in their countries... UK and European politicians are the only ones benefiting from the un-harnessed democracy busting EU.... The EU a dictatorship in everything except name, IS destroying millions of lives.... In the UK we are denied Referendum for the simple reason it would not serve OUR self serving political elite as it would be a resounding NO. When the political servants think they are the Masters then it is TIME for CHANGE.
The best thing that can happen in France is that 'spend spend spend' Holland DOES get in power ... because he will be the one to bring the EURO to it's knees and the end of the EUROPE dream ... so PLEASE vote for him (I never thought I would say that) and start the ball rolling !!!! As for 'red' Ken ... please keep him out, I would not trust him as a 'bus conductor' to give me the right change ... he would keep half and say its to be 'shared' with the people who cannot afford the bus and then probably keep it himself for more large photos of him on the backs of buses!!! (remember them last time he was in power?)
Disturbing but well said
Valery Giscard d'Estaing lost for a second term in 81
UKIP? Ha, ha, ha.....
Sarky is such a hypocrite , he backs the EU to the hilt throughout his presidency , then when it comes to election time he strikes up a nationalistic anti EU immigration theme. I wonder if the Tory's here will be so hypocritical in 2015 ?.
Well said Janice and I hope that Londoners vote UKIP in the Assembly elections and elsewhere in the country. It is time to stop the LibLabCon in their tracks and show them that we have all had enough of their lies and incompetence.
Quote: "Sarkozy, you had the presidency in your grasp and now you will be the first president not to win a second term." End of quote Nicolas Sarkozy may become the first president in the French Fifth Republic not to be re-elected for a second term ... since Valery Giscard d'Estaing in 1981.
OK so you detect these criminals-then what? no deportation, human rights, own a cat?
Thats right...give our jobs to the immigrants. and leave the british to rot!!!! Grrrrrrr111
Might be a good idea to check that these people havent got criminals records before they come in to the Country in the first place.
What a bloody mess.
This (organised crime) must be one of those benefits of immigration that we are so frequently being told about. I KNEW it was good for the country. What a shambles.
This is uncanny. I have just finished writing a situation comedy for TV about an over enthusiastic Polish detective seconded to a sleepy rural police force 'Eastford Anglia Constabulary' complete with a bonkers crime commissioner and hapless police officers. Its working title is 'Operation Plodska'. The hero is called Detective Karol Plonka and he has a list of 12 criminals he wants to return to Poland. The first episode involves his hunt for a gang of luxury car thieves from his home town on the Belarus border. I've just started to circulate this to production companies. Life imitating art or what?
We should never have admitted foreign criminals to the UK in the first place. Those who commit crime here should be deported straight away!
The E.U planned this sort of thing to gain control of nation states at times of unrest, riots included!!
Good idea whoever came up with this.
I was getting optimistic till I read the operation will only last four days :/
At last the police Federation and authority have brought in there European counter parts.So LET THE GAMES BEGIN .POLICE 1 ,European cooks 0.
About time
This would not be necessary if we were able to demand a visa before entry.
UK need the help of more developed nations like Poland and Lithuania. I'm glad they are helping us (-:
What has happened to this once great country for ? I fear its all going to be downhill now !
This is ONLY happening because we have LOST Control of OUR BORDERS for being in the CORRUPT EU.
Yes I can certainly see our police teaching them a thing or two, they'll know how to hold a speed gun by the time they get home.
One more thing to thank blair brown balls mcnulty Harman and the rest of the idiots in the labour party for.
Wouldnt it be easier not to be a part of this wretched EU? It hasnt given us anything good we could not have done by ourselves.
No one with a criminal record should be allowed in Britain. Someone who can't speak English should be allowed in. Britain is really going to the dogs. It's lost it's morals. When I went to London had not seen one English flag, only seen 3 Union Jacks. We are a country that used to be proud to be British but look around what's to be proud of, people can't wear poppies anymore in memory of the people who fought to protect our country.
I have three Lithuanian tenants - they are brilliant. Nice, polite and they pay on time. Dont tar everyone with the same brush.. As for this lot, if they break in and you can prove you live there, then surely the police can arrest them for the criminal offence of breaking and entering...
Is there any evidence that they are paying rent and are also victims of a con? I doubt it very much. - Helen, Hants, 24/9/2010 14:16 Oh really, did it take you long to figure that one out?
squatters rights should be abolished! If I was that poor old guy I would pay someone to kick them out as this is the only way to treat them!!
A knife at the ready? Why didn't an armed response unit attend and disarm this woman? Of course, YOU MAN RITES.
I can not believe how weak and pathetic the British have really become to allow foreign familys to take over their homes! The police don't care, so hire some local muscle.
Wait for the squatters to go out and then go in and remove all their stuff from the house and dump it in the street. If they try to confront you, have a high pressured hose ready. Nothing like a bit of street cleaning to make the neighbourhood look good.
Couple guys with a snoot-ful burning a book [quran] out behind a pub.......no stone will be left unturned in the authority's quest to bring these evil doers to justice.......but hey, bunch of foreigners throwing citizens into the streets?
Hmm... So they break the locks - vadalism. Throw the furniture out - vandalism. Use the persons Water, gas, electric - Theft And above all else violate their human rights by taking away their home and the police are powerless? But it's the lack of police powers that mean the public will be forced to act themselves. If the law worked, i'd call the police, but knowing how the law works, if i went home tonight to find knife weilding lithuanians on my doorstep saying it's their home, I'd have 20 people knocking that door through (It's mine after all!) within the hour. If the police can't act, the public will!
Do you think that the police will allow me to get away with taking someone elses car ?I fancy a Merc or is that different kettle of fish to stealing another persons house
Throw the theiving dirty lawless lot out. ONE CHANCE RULE, BREAK THE LAW LEAVE SIMPLY. POLICE THE PROBLEM .......
Is there any evidence that they are paying rent and are also victims of a con? I doubt it very much.
I suppose it is too much to ask that the police do something about this. Oh no they are foreigners they have RIGHTS we the British public, who pay their wages, have none. We cannot expect the police to come to our aid in this matter but if we and our friends forcefully evicted these squatters they would be round in an a second, Riot sheilds and Guns to the fore to ensure these foreigners RIGHTS were upheld and we British were dragged off to jail, for taking the law into our own hands. Well done the British Bobby !!!
Terrible,but I would tackle anybody who did this to me,I would take such a massive team of guys with me though!
As far as I know, that's not squatting, forced entry = braking and entering. So does that mean anyone can now do it all over England??
If the law won't help you then do as they do TAKE YOUR HOME BACK ANYWAY YOU CAN , THEN CLAIM YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT , I doubt the'll go to the law to evict you from your legally owned home
The EU.....who would ever join a group of nations, that did not include Lithuania?
For the first time in my life I feel nervous at living in the U.K. it is time to leave the E.U. before it is to late, With public opinion as high as it is why are the government not listening to us or is there some hidden agenda they will not tell us.
Any chance we could have a sqad of French police on standby for these events.
Why isn't the Government doing something about this kind of thing? Why do immigrants have more rights than the indigenous population. I'm all for Britain being easy-going, tolerant and accepting...BUT it's gone too far. We're now seen as soft, gullible and just plain stupid. Time to stop it all and be more "the bad guy". Come on people, time to put a stop to it, once and for all. WE should come first...in all matters. Agree with me?
The background to this is that the EU has been allowed to expand too much. Our country has been invaded by criminals form all the European fringe countries who have free access to came here. Time to rescind that aspect of EU mismanagement and shut our borders to these people. I wonder how much crime is down to these migrants from European fringe countries?
Poor old Dave Cameron is totally out of his depth, he hasn't the b***s to tell the migration or the police to sling them out with out any checkups on them. I'm so pleased I have left the country for France.
Get some heavies in and kick them out and make them pay the kicker outers.
If the home is in use the police must evict the squatters and charge the people in the home, under the displaced residential occupier act, poor MR pope must have had policeman that dont know the law that is often the case, so if this happens again tell the police you live in the home and for them to act on this or report the police for not doing there job.
This is just one of the drawbacks of our membership of the E.U. , but think of all the benefits.
Do not just blame the Police, successive governments have given away our rights quoting Human Rights & political correctness. People can boo our troops, look at cricket against the sub continent & it must feel for our team that they are playing away. When most immigrants come here they demand that they follow there own agenda, our laws do not seem to count. A Polish lady told me that she does not miss home for here there are lots of Polish shops & cafes where only Polish is spoken. If a British person kills someone it is reported as a murder. What makes it an honour killing if someone claims to be a follower of Islam. They seem to invent their own version of the Qumran. I bet the Prophet Mohamed is spinning in his grave. Come on the Coalition & the Labour party you are the only people who can sort this out if you have the will. Remember the are lots of immigrants who settle down & are well respected ( that includes Muslims).
Can someone please explain to me who could have possibly decided that it was a good idea to open our borders to these people??? Madness
Come on lawmakers - change the law quickly.
When you do come to evict them through 'due course' (which is total Bullpoop, these people have broken the law and as such should be punished) they'll end up wrecking your house so it is unliviable after they are forced out. I wonder what would happen if a white British family did this? They'd be clad in irons before you could say 'Blame Labour, but blame the current Government for not acting faster'
For a start charge her with knife possesion in public.
If there's no violence it is a 'civil matter'. My friend paid rent, deposit and one day found all her belongings outside - the owner kicked her out. Police said it's a CIVIL MATTER and didn't help because there was no door breaking, NO VIOLENCE. Same here - they find nice, peaceful people and occupy their homes. They know that legal owners will be too scared to break back into their own homes. Legal owners should get a group of friends, strong guys and break back into their own house (and ask neighbours to call the police as soon as the noise starts so illegal tenants don't stab them with knives....) It is not against the law to break into my own house if my locks have been changed, right? Even if everyone gets arrested for couple hours - only legal owners will be let back into the house.
Deport them all.... And just for the record, I am from Eastern Europe, I've lived here for many years, and doing anything like this would never even cross my mind. They have commited a crime (breaking and entering) and should be prosecuted for it.
Just another day in the Lib / Lab / Con`s multicultural utopia otherwise known as Europe`s offshore dustbin, you voted for this by voting Lib / Lab / Con.
Send Immigration around to check their passports!!! On second thoughts, it will be quicker and easier to use the courts!!!
Well, no-one told us that the EU was all about destroying our rights in our own country, even though we have long suspected it. The entire EU project is a clever scam designed to give untold wealth to undemocratic politicians, destroy all national identy and ALL our freedoms. The police are simply scared of confronting these criminals. It may be dangerous for their health! It is an outrage. No-one should be allowed to come to the UK (EU or non-EU) if they are not prepared to abide by our laws and respect the people who live here. These Lithuanians have broken many laws, have broken into people's homes in a criminal manner and yet seem to be defiant about their 'rights'! What right do they have turfing out innocent people and living off others? They should be sent back to Lithuania and barred for life from ever coming to the UK again. Do we no longer have a trespass law?
Sorry, people - we need to get together and stand up against this lot. They are not entitled to stay in a home they have BROKEN into ! They are weilding a dangerous weapon with intent to use! Eyes one police! Look! I suggest anyone in the local area get together en-masse and break get them out if the police won't do anything. The police do have a right and it is NOT a civil issue. They have broken in. This is an organised crime!
The police should go round to these houses mob handed and chuck them out. They have committed a crime of breaking and entering surely. So if they have broken the law they should be arrested. They should also be deported back to their own countries straight away. these people are scum.
I bet it's called "Breaking and Entering" and responded to IMMEDIATELY if they get into a COPPER's home and try this............ Find out where your Chief Constable lives and let them know....................
This country is slipping away, in fact I think it's gone. What Blair and Brown have done to the UK is unbelievable, but hey their ok with their big fat pay cheques living quietly and safely out of the way, while everything else is falling to pieces. Someone needs to do something, and do it now. This country has been left wide open, literally.
this country has been taken over by sandal wearing muesli munchers who live in a parallel universe where everything is sunshine and roses-wakey wakey real world calling time to let the grown ups take charge again it has been fun(not)but you can go back to running sunday school or outreach sessions or W ,IF ANYONE DOES THIS TO ME I WONT NEED THE USELESS POLICE I WILL SORT IT MYSELF.
Im from Lithuania myself, but Im really surprised about the tolerance of british people, and cannot really understand why nobody is being jailed for such things, as somebody mentioned here, in Lithuania it wouldnt work this way, but probably these squaters already did other crimes at home. Uneducated people from small villages are all going to UK, because you let them in so easily, tolerance is great, but you should work on your laws.
you will soon see homeowners with shotguns defending their homes in this sorry country as, it seems ,the laughable excuse for the law won't protect it's own people! i thought if anyone trespassed on your property you were breaking the law? have i missed something-has this law now been abandoned in favour of the immigrants from europe?
get some big mates and get in and throw these useless articles out on the street ,I and the majority of taxpayers are sick and tired of these scroungers foreign and british getting away with breaking the laws whilst we pay them to live on benefits with their families David Cameron should put this kind of criminal behaviour at the top of his list NOW and clean up this country , do as the French do for a start and deport them asap no appeal no excuses.
I live in the south side of Glasgow were this is a major problem. we have one of the highest migrant rates in the UK and the whole area is turning into a war zone. we have under age prostitution rife in the Roma communities, gang warfare in other parts. it is a nightmare. i am a social worker and until this year, always championed the cause of migrants. Now however, after living amongst it, i feel differently. Multiculturalism on this scale does not work. Enoch Powell was right. Even in America (where I used to live) whose constitution is built on multiculturalism, it doesn't work. We need to be more like the Italians,French and Australians. Tougher measures are needed. I for one love the way France is dealing with it, by paying them to leave.
Some people are the biggest disgrace to their own country. I know many Lithuanians and they are all law abiding working kind people. These people, especially the woman with a knife is a piece of garbage!!
Actually the BNP would not send these people back as they are white skinned!!!!!
This is all the fault of T. Blair and Co. and their open door policy. Wouldn't it be great if Eastern Europeans sqatted in some of his many properties, oh how I would laugh, I bet the police would remove them pretty quick though. These is a case of breaking and entering, get them out now and chuck them out of the country.
Im sorry but is this not breaking and entring??? this is someones home, they have no right! i would be so angry! the police should be shoving them in jail or even better ship them out of this country! its mad that they say no action can be taken, what are they all about?? that idiot woman is standing there holding a knife and is threatening yet they are still not doing anything??
What you're faced with is a breakdown of Law and Order! Get with the programme. That's the West 2010! PC and liberal sponsored entitlement is destroying the societies built up by generations of men and women that were made of far sterner stuff than the present generation, at whatever level. Goodbye Britain, the vandals are no longer outside your walls ....
So lets get this straight, somone can go into someone's house while they are out and start to steal things, if they get caught they can just say "Well I live here" and the owner will need to take the thief to court to prove he is not a thief and nor does he live there? Well it makes you wonder what the police and government are for if they are not there to protect property rights (which is the whole reason governments were created), it would be a lot cheaper to get rid of both and buy a weapon which would be a lot cheaper.
The police force is not fit for purpose anymore and we should have a root and branch review to all the stupid laws that let these louts into our country, send them back through the tunnel and soon as France does.
perhaps the government ought to take another look at enoch powells river of blood speech and instead of condemning it heed it it wasnt racist it was a forecast of what was to come if we kept on taking in immigrants and lo and behold it has all come to pass.we will all be afraid to take a holiday for fear of having no home to come back to even going out for a day will be a nightmare come on cameron is this what british oeople voted you in for and if it is fear of backlash from the EU you are afraid of thenPULL britain out and give us back our identity'
How on earth can you be unaware that you are invading a home which belongs to someone else? their possessions are in there. where is the police? why are we not being protected? and if there are laws protecting these criminals where is parliament? what is this poor man going to do?
So if a group break into my car, will the police need to get a warrant to shift them out? Did you know if squatters in Greece make any improvements to the dwelling, the rightful owner has to pay for any work done! Maybe these people can claim the cost of changing the locks from the house owner!
The reason these eastern europeans do it is because they can, they know our laws are lax, they know the police won't or can't do anything. You can be sure that the techniques, knowledge is spreading around the eastern european communities in the UK and abroad of how to seize someone else's home here. It's just going to get worse unless the government passes new laws to act. Wait till the organised european crime mafia gangs get in on the act, I'll give it a year or two, it will get so bad that the government is forced to act..but it will be too late. Many people will have lost their homes for good.
The Police in this country are pathetic.
Quite clearly, in this case, the law does not need changing, the problem is the police and their reluctance to take action! To correct the problem, start by sacking the chief constable.
This was plain breaking and entering. Then , to stand at the gate brandishing a knife! The police are abetting the total breakdown of normal social rules. There are so many crimes here - damage to property, theft, threatening behaviour, and probably illegal entry. Decisions ARE being made - decisions to do nothing, to just cave in to this sheer brute animal behaviour. Time for the local police superintendant to stand up for his own patch. He can't depend on Lithuanians to pay his wages. Where is the local M.P. in this sorry saga? The old rules about squatting, posted in their window, give the lie to the claim that they were paying rent. And, what are these criminals doing for daily money?The immigrant 'idea' is over now - wait until they target the home of a Guardianista !
I thought all these eastern europeans just applied to the council for accommodation and were given it, benefits and all? So why do they need to steal someone elses home? This is effectively what is is, stealing. The residents have to put up in alternative accommodation, they continue paying the mortgage, the squatters live for free, at the expense of the home owners. It's theft of someone elses property and it's theft of money.
Its hard to believe but a British man tried this scam where I live saying he had rented a villa online , he even borrowed a TV from another house
I'm sorry but if someone breaks into my home and claims it is now theirs, there is not a man nor court that will prevent me re-claiming what is mine. This is a joke, and Britain is also a joke. I'm sorry guys, but for allowing your country to be raped like this every single day is just pathetic. STAND UP!!
Squatters rights should only apply, if they apply at all, to properties that have been EMPTY for a minimum of six months. Taking a property while the owner is walking the dog is theft plain and simple. Foreign gangs availing themselves of homes in this way should be escorted to the nearest airport and sent back to their own home country.
"police say they are powerless to act without a court order" That's a disgrace! I am puting one of those notices in my window when I get home and I will also stand at my front gate holding a kitchen knife and see how long it takes for the police to show up and arrest me for being in possesion of a dangerous weapon.
This is ridiculous!!! The squatters must have forced their way into the house to gain access so at the very least that's breaking and entering. Or is that not against the law anymore? Your house is your house, nobody else should be allowed to move in when you go out and then be allowed to stay there. Do decent law abiding people have no rights anymore? Whoops silly question....
"Only in Britain!! (Oh and Zimbabwe)" - nikki, sussex I've always said that in 10-20 years, Britain will end up just like Zimbabwe. But then again, I should know: I was born there.
To the police; YOU ARE PATHETIC To the courts; YOU ARE PATHETIC To the council; YOU ARE PATHETIC Getting sick to the back teeth of paying for you bunch of shameless wasters. Guaranteed if the owners took their property back by force all the above would soon find laws they had broken and jump all over them. To the people leaving comments from abroad; Not all British people would allow this to happen, they took my house they'd be out in 5 mins
deport them. that is the only answer. who do they think they are, coming to someones country and behaving like this? get rid of them. lets see some of this toughness that the gvt is using against everyone, from pensioners to the royal family. i won't hold my breath. they are cowards, like the last lot, and will only go for easy targets.
Beggers belief!!!
IF I was standing outside MY house with a knife in my hand , I would be arrested without question or ceremony !!!
As these Lithuanian people have entered Britain and taken possession of a piece of a sovereign territory by force and under arms are they not technically an occupying force and should be treated as such by the authorities in a timely and effective manner? At the very least this woman should be arrested for wielding a knife in public with the same boundless enthusiasm police invariably show when a legitimate home owner attempts to protect his family and home from intruders either using either a weapon or bare handed.
If they did this to me and my home, I wouldn't bother with the police. I'd simply get some friends around and physically throw them out. They could prosecute all they liked afterwards.
What about breaking and entering? Why does that not come into affect? How unfair, especially when targeting the vulnerable.
Well you do have rights, but it must be done through the courts. One person claims ownership and right to access, the other claims he's legally renting it. The police thank god can't be given the power to make legal decisions, or decide a case. The UK has gone downhill but lets hope it never reaches the stage when the police can decide whether or not you are guilty and have the power to sentence you themselves. The real issue is the law needs to be changed. Squatters rights is very old law. These rights should be abolished and should have been years ago. Trespass should be made a criminal offence, at present it's a civil offence so you have to sue someone for trespassing. If it was a criminal offence the police could arrest the traspasser. These cases are not squatters though, they have rented the properties, and not broken in themselves. They are victims of criminal gangs. Yes as in the case of a stolen car though, it's their tough luck and the property should go back to the owner.
Get the fumigators in. They'll soon move out then.
"Knife wielding" and the police are POWERLESS to do anything? What am I not understanding here?
Mrs Belalij says the squat­ters claim to pay £600-a-month to live there Where do they get £600 a month from? Need I ask?
Unbelieveable. One day these people will pick the wrong house and may end up begging to be let go by the returning rightful owner.
Since when has 'trespassing', 'breaking and entering', and 'threatening behavior' been a civil matter? Does this mean GBH & murder are civil matters too? It is fast becoming obvious that the police simply are not up to doing there jobs, in which case they need to be fired and replaced with someone who will - there are plenty of unemployed people out there who would be more than happy to take up the roles.
Surely the fact that the property contains the personal effects of someone else gives the lie to the squatter's claims that they are legitimate renters? Am I missing something here? Surely if you are signed on as responsible for the utilities and not them, you have the right to have all the utilities cut off? If nothing else you have the right to have all your furniture and personal effects removed or the 'new tenants' charged with theft?
Governments of both persuasions have side stepped this sort of issue for years when it could be addressed by changing these matters from 'Civil' to 'Criminal'. Squatting in houses or on other peoples land could be stopped instantly if these people knew that they couldn't just put two fingers up to society as the law rumbled on ponderously on. I wonder if the coalition have enough backbone to address this anachronism?
The crazy result of EU freedom of movement rules and human rights laws imposed from Strasbourg and 13 years of disasterous Labour government !
Well - that's what you can expect with membership of the EU. And you ain't seen nothing yet. Funny how these peasants cross the whole of Euorpe and choose to invade the UK. Soft touch?? I would guess so. - Harry, England, 24/9/2010 09:27 Lithuania is not a member of the EU. This is a UK policing issue if they have to get a court order to prevant this
Labour never thought it through. More bodies require more housing, more schooling, bigger NHS establishment, bigger police force and alot more in the benefits pot. Simple as Land of Hope and Glory I think not.
Excuse me, but if they, the squatters, stick a notice on the window threatening to prosecute anyone entering without permission, why can't the victims do the same? And surely, if the locks have been forced and the property belongs to someone that lives there, they can be thrown out and prosecuted for breaking and entering? Or has the country gone completely mad since I left over 10 years ago? The irony is, in their own country you wouldn't get away with it, and they are obviously part of the EU, so why can they get away with it in the UK? I thought we were all to abide by the same EU rules?
In the 50's and earlier decades, Britons would not allow others to walk all over them because a government said they had the right. Todays Brits unfortunately are no longer made of 'the real stuff' and the nation will suffer to the max as a result. Stand up for your rights, for heaven's sake, make brito great again, don't wait for this or any other government.!
I find it strange that the police consider it a civil matter and so do nothing. There are a multitude of crimes being committed by these foreigners including threatening behaviour with a deadly weapon. To put it really simply for the Police the lady in the picture is holding a knife in a threatening manner.What more do you need to bring a prosecution? Or do you only pick on wheelchair users at school to dish out parking tickets.
Sweden has started to rectify this extremely dangerous situation we must do the same the only answer and I mean the only answer is to vote for the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY at least they tell the truth the other three political party's are gutless liars...
There are no 'bogus eatate agents' involved here. the mind boggles how anyone believes this. It's clear from the notices they put in the windows claiming squatter's rights and the fact they confront the real owners immediately with threats of required court action that they are not the victims of a rental con. If they were living in the house because they were duped into paying rent on it, they would be totally unaware til the owner of the house came back and then they would be completely unprepared for the news that they aren't supposed to be in the house. They would leave the house at times to do normal everyday things. The police in the UK are morons and the most gullible, weak, politically-motivated in the world. Gutless wonders under the control of brainless government. I have to agree with other comments here that claim that the law will only change when these scum start moving into the more palacial houses of judges and politicians. That is a certain fact.
Yes, why don't the police arrest and prosecute the squatters, or their bully-boys, for "breaking and entering". Not a soft target? Why do we believe and accept that they can "do nothing"?
ONCE AGAIN the Police are missing the point that there are many things they can do. Threatening behaviour with a knife, take them down the station, owner can take back their house. Breaking and entering, this is just slow burglary. If a car is stolen the police take it back EVEN if the new owner has paid money for it, itÂ’s tough but itÂ’s not your car, same here they paid money for something that is NOT THEIRS The people moving and stealing these houses, taking without permission are part of the CON TRICK, like the man walking his dog, the family who took over his house must have been waiting with the crooks and moved in quickly when he took his dog out. The Police are making out that the family must have been strolling down the road when they were offered a house to rent said yes and moved in all in 20 minutes. THEY are part of the steal.
Stories like this just make a mockery of our law enforcement and justice system. Forget the fact that even common sense tell you this is very wrong, at the very least these so-called 'squatters' are trespassing and are 'unauthorised' tenants. I think everyone agrees, that 'the right thing to do', would be for the police to go in and throw them out again, it doesn't take five minutes, and then arrest them for illegal entry into a property that the do not own or rent.
If this were the house of a police officer or an MP or a local councillor, the story would be very different. Do you really think one of the "bosses", or one of the "Gods" would have their house pinched while they were out?! NO! They'd make one phone call and an armed response unit would re-take their house for them. But when it's the house of one of the little people, one of the boot-lickers.... it's a matter for bureaucrats and form filling.
These Lithuanians must truly be desperate if they want to live in Barking!
The ridiculous laws in the UK that allow squatters to just move in where they like and in the knowledge that it will take months through the courts to get them out ,only makes otherwise decent law abiding people take other measures to get back their homes.It has to change ,and the police be given power to evict anyone that takes over another persond home in which they are living.
Get the electricity and water turned off first, then if you have a shed or garage stay in it until they get fed up of you banging on the door all the time,or protect your home with a big dog, that will make them think twice.
Why are the police not arrresting that knife wielding woman in the top left picture? Surely that's an offence??
try that in their country of origin, 200 yrs from now we will be looked back upon in the same way we do the people who lived 200 yrs ago and conclude , why did they put up with it all , wealth ruled as it still does ,the whole system needs sorting 200 yrs ago the lord of the manor could turf you of /out of yr house , now its our eu brothers and sisters bless em
This is failing in the justice system. What idot ever passed this legislation in the first place (guess who) it is no longer is the case that an Englishmans home is his castle. It appears it is now down to neighhood watch. Or do we have to recruit the local gangs who terrorise our streets to protect our property. what ever happens the occupants must gain entry to their own property. If the law is unable to help would they then arrest the owner for breaking the door down and forcing their way in.?? Fed Up Brit.
'A printed notice stuck to the window threatens to prosecute anone who enters without permission'...............................isn't that what they have done to gain possession of the house?
We are the laughing stock of Europe! Would the laws be the same if Clarence House was squatted by romanians and Lithuanians, or would they get evicted?
1 Question....What is your PM going to do about this?
Make this a criminal offence, then the police can act.
All I can say is " Thank You Labour" the biggest band of thieves and miscreants this country ever had
WHAT?! As a law student I can proudly say there ARE things that this woman can do. This is against the law. The only argument is whether breaking and entering, burglary and trespassing are a less offence than whatever is quoted in these silly squatting rights. I have seen cases whereby parents are allowed to have the police remove even their own children from their home if they are over the age of 18 because it is their property and there is nothing binding them to stay there by force so WHY and HOW ON EARTH can absolute strangers come into your house and be allowed to stay there?!! *waits for Tony B-liar and Doppy Gordon to answer* ¬_¬
This is ridiculous! how can your police force stand by and do nothing? Disgusting how they pick on the vunerable as well
There must be something these people can be charged with. There is a massive difference between squatting in an empty property and breaking into an occupied home and changing the locks. If these people had bought a stolen car they would be expected to return it immediately.
Thanks to all you idiots who voted Labour....YOU are responsible for the immigration mess we are in. Where else in the world would immigrants be allowed to walk in to your home, take over, throw out your stuff and YOU have no rights? Only in soft touch Britain.
Wake up dumb politicians - make trespass a criminal offence. What a ludicrous copout for the police when they can say it is a civil matter - back to the desk and the cuppa.
That sort of thing would NEVER HAPPEN out here. They would be arrested, removed or worse if they tried that sort of thing!!!!!! Time for changes people!!!!
The police have got it wrong again. If these people have forced their way into somebody's home the crimes of burglary or criminal damage have been committed. There are also offences under the Criminal Law Act ,that were specifically drafted to deal with these situations. This lack of knowledge is the legacy of the Police Improvement Agency who oversee officer training. Far too much emphasis is now placed on diversity issues and not enough on law. As a result significant areas of criminal law are never taught.
Point is that after a long and costly court case, it maybe possible to evict them,( they will have had FREE legal aid, but the home owner will not; Then what, deported, no way the local council will be obliged to house them at your expense, for the rest of their miserable lives.
They are eastern european criminals, the police shouldnt need a court order, they are breaking and entering a persons property, the woman shown is wielding a knife in public which is another crime but only it seems if you are a British citizen, these so called squatters rights are archaic and should be done away with, and the Eastern Eureopean criminals taken to the nearest airport and deported, this would spare the taxpayer thousands of pounds in court costs, appeals, human rights brigades and the PC brigade getting involved and costing further hundreds of thousands of pounds to the British taxpayers, Theresa May needs to get tough on these foreign criminals ASAP.
Taking account of the amount of laws stacked up against us,I would say that the British establishment loathes its own indigenous people. Unlike most of the continent,Britain never had a revolution to remind the oiks at the top what can happen when we all get to the end of our patience.
This is a teriible situation for the law abiding and innocent people who either LEGALLY own a home or LEGALLY rent a home. I find it astonishing that the Lithuanian woman pictured above in Mr Pope's home is wielding a knife trying to protect something that isn't rightly hers, and nothing seems to be done by the Police or the authorities; and yet Myleene Klass a while ago received a warning from the police when she wielded a knife trying to protect herself and her daughter in their own home from burgulars. These undesirables ought to be deported regardless of their EU status especially when they break the law, and the each EU country should have the right to protect their own citizens from undesirable people such as these Lithuanians mentioned in this article.
Having lived in Glasgow for a time, I'd like to see these Eastern Europeans trying it on there.
Only in Britain!! (Oh and Zimbabwe)
something has to change...before someone gets hurt...one day they will move into the wrong house not everyone is a push over even if they look like one...
If these Lithuainians have knives to make threats then it is a matter for the Police (once a proper risk assessment and human rights evaluation have been completed in triplicate).
Firstly, let me just make it clear that what these Lithuanians are doing is completely wrong and disgusting and this should not be allowed to happen. It's a joke the law in Britain. They've broken into the houses, that's surely illegal. I don't understand why the police won't/can't do anything about it. However, I'm a bit annoyed with you saying "knife-wielding Eastern Europeans". Bit of a generalisation there. They're Lithuanian. Say "knife-wielding Lithuanians"! If they were Spanish or French or German, you wouldn't be writing "knife-wielding Western Europeans", would you?
Forget the law. They only cover for the criminal. The time has come for direct action and a revolution is needed to kick out the weak and put in a government or even a dictator who will stop all this immigration and crime, and put us back on the map as a country for law, order and freedom.
The law must be change immediately to stop the police and councils hiding behind the current law and basically say in their normal jobsworth manner it's not our job. What they are doing is breaking and entering. That is a police manner.
Once again what did Cameron repeatedly say during his election campaign. ' My party stands for the people who do the right things' So far Mr Cameron we have not seen your party doing that, your party seems to be towing the line to the tune of the wishy washy Liberals. When will the government get it into thier thick heads that the electorate want firm action on immigration regardless of the EU, we want our government to do as the French on EU immigration.
its burglary plain and simple. in the 70's we used to squat small terraced council houses it took the them months to get us out, the one time we went into a large private house we were arrested and put on remand within 48hrs of entering WITH A KEY
Hands up the mugs who voted for this lot to change things on May 6? Have you ot not got it yet? THEY CANT change anything because as a class the politicians have sold out to the EU, while still keeping the pay and perks!
can you not get arrested for having a knife like that in public
We can only dream that efficient, no nonsense authorities will arrest and deport this ungrateful rabble?
That law needs changing before someone gets killed.
Excuse me is not forcing an entry burglary? I seem to remember from my days in the plod to enter property as a trespasser with intent. to steal? Electricity, gas or whatever. The GUTLESS BRITISH POLICE make me ashamed to have ever served in it
i dont understand some of the details on these home invasion stories - if the details as given are correect - surely the police can act over certain issues - 1. if the squatters have broken the locks to get in - then isnt that breaking and entering ? 2. mr pope sad some of his belongs had been stolen - surely thats theft ? 3. if these squatters threaten the owners - then that is threatening behaviour 4 since 'trespass' is a civil action - the police could not stop the owners camping in their own gardens or making life difficult for the squatters as long as they did not hurt or threaten to hurt the squatters. my point is that whilst the police might not be able to actually evict these squatters - they could take action against them over some issues - the police do this quick enough in other circumstances. i cant believe that if i broke into my next door neighbours house, took some of their goods and refused to move - then the police would say fine - no problem
Every street should have our friend Charles Bronson. . . . . that knowing little smile he gives at the end of the movie. It's on it's way to a street near you. As the vast majority would say, "about time"!
These people should be forcibly evicted, and immediately deported. Britain has gone down the plughole, and will never get its' pride back !!!
I don't believed for one moment the squatters' story that they were scammed. They just broke in and take over, otherwise why would they changed the locks and chucked other people's belongings. The police should have charged them for breaking and entering. Our laws seem to care more on the rights of perpetrators (squatters) than the victims. - mari, london It's the gangs who change the locks and then move people in. Do people not bother to actually read the article and just notice the word Eastern European get all excited and then go off on one!!!
This is farcical. It just beggars belief. This country really has gone down the toilet. They better not try and take my house. I for one will not tolerate this.
This is beyond ridiculous. I thought we were crazy, you've raised the bar.
Isn't cultural diversity a wonderful thing. NOT! Bliar and Brown have so very much to answer for. Time to scrap the yuman rights act.
Why can't these people be removed BY FORCE?? THEY are in the wrong. Why is the law on THEIR side and not on the owner's side? This is shocking. Come on people, rise up and be counted. Time to take OUR country back.
Truly the stuff of nightmares. These 'people' are inhuman, without a shred of human empathy they just scum take a person's livelihood which they have worked hard to get themselves. Worst thing is.. The courts can't do a damn thing about it! Best wishes to all those affected. - TommyAtkins, Staffordshire, UK, 23/9/2010 12:45 The real "inhuman scum" are the "people" who created this situation and let it continue. Look no further than our so-called "representatives" in Westminster. They could stop this tomorrow. It doesn't happen in other countries.
Mp,s seem to have 'Spare Housing'....why dont these people try a Sqaut in one of those ??? Bet that 'old bill' will be there in no time at all !!!!
Stories like this make me disgusted to be living in this country,we have been turned into a lawless country it is about time these politicians went out into the real world and stop the rot that has turned this country into a third world,We have lost all credibility in the world we are a laughing stock for allowing this to happen ,we should take to the streets and start a revolution to regain our rights.
Not surprised to read this,,,, Decent citizens in the UK have no rights any more,,,,, the crimminal is protected !!
Squatters broke into the house next door, using an axe to smash the front door. I called the police who said it was nothing to do with them, and it was up to the homeowner to sort it out.
Change the law. NOW!
This is a legacy of Blair and Brown's Broken Britain in which the Labour government hated the British public but loved the illegal immigrants, the criminals, the fraudsters and the workshy.
I'm sorry, but I'm finding it hard to understand this. This is breaking and entering, threatened violence with a weapon, and theft. How can it be tolerated by the police? I don't understand why the police doesn't break the door down, haul these people out and charge them with all the crimes they've committed. Whatever happened to 'an Englishman's home is his castle'?
"I don't believed for one moment the squatters' story that they were scammed. They just broke in and take over, otherwise why would they changed the locks and chucked other people's belongings. The police should have charged them for breaking and entering. Our laws seem to care more on the rights of perpetrators (squatters) than the victims. - mari, london" 'The law is a ass' so said Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist. He seems to have got it right. It certainly gives meaning to the saying 'possession is nine tenths of the law'. These squatters may be claiming to be paying rent but, the owners have the deeds/entitlement to the property and the 'tennants' (squatters) should be made to take up their case with their (supposed) landlord and NOT left to stay in what is STOLEN property.
This has go to be dealt with....and soon. It's one thing to squat in abandoned and empty properties but NOT in occupied premises.No...the poor dears want a nice furnished comfy home !!!! CHANGE THE LAWS NOW.,...This country always favours foreigners instead of looking after their own people...
These squaters are aided and abetted by the stupid laws in this country.WHO says they can't be thrown out ??? and WHY NOT.......As usual the laws support the wrong side ..the good and tusted British citizen is always the victim.....JUST CHANGE THE LAW... NOT EDUCATE THESE SQUATERS ABOUT THEIR 'RIGHTS'....WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS......
Change the law! Taking someone's house is theft, pure and simple. If someone stole a car they wouldn't be allowed to keep it until the owner could prove his ownership, would they?
If I was to threaten my own spouse, in my OWN HOME it would be a police matter and at the very least I would be dis-armed if not detained. Where violence is threatened with a weapon involved - it is very much a police matter. Another case of immagrant gangs driving a coach and horses through our laws -thanks alot Mr Blair.......
Gives me an idea about how to avoid expensive accomodation bills next time I visit England. I will just kick someones door in when they go to the shops and stay there for a couple of months. Joking aside this is pathetic the only difference between this and breaking and entering is the criminals don't bother to run away and then the cops can't arrest them? Pathetic.
This has been going on for years I was a polic officer in the 60's and was dealing with this kind of problem then. This is one of the reasons that I emigrated as a ten pound pom with my family. I feel so sorry bfor those people who are afraid to go away for any period of time only to return and find squatters in their home. We are having problems here in Australia but I hope it never comes to this.
How is it possible for someone, who has no legal, familial or otherwise connection to you or the property you own, to enter that property by force, and for that not to be considered a crime?!? Not only that, but weeks or even months later - when you eventually regain possession of your property - the property may have been totally trashed and you have NO recourse to recover the costs of renovation. You Britishers are a truly incomprehensible nation.
Sorry but the law truly is an ass.
Ah, but what if it happened to a MP's house! Hope it happens, a/ the law would be quickly changed and b/ it's suddernly a police matter.
unbelievable. truly unbelievable. do the English have no rights in their own house let alone their country anymore??? the fact that illegal immigrants can take over a person's house and then have more rights than the owner of the property is disgusting. no wonder the BNP is gaining popularity
The Police CAN do something never mind the soft approach. It is a criminal offence and arrestable if they were charged with the correct offence. ie obtaining a pecuniary advantage, or by deception. They are stealing the electricity,gas and water supplies and criminal damage of the true householder and whatever else they can find but no they take the easy option and say its' a civil matter. In my day we would have locked them up. Some Chief Constabele will say you cant'd do that these days,course you can the statute is still there,but he or she is now part of the PC brigade with no police experience and have probably never arrested anyone in their short careers.
Dino Fancellu ask what would happen if we try that in Lithuania? If you had tried it in the 1940's ,while Britain was successfuly guarding her shores against invaders, the Saugumas (Lithuanian Security Police) would have had you in a Konzentrationslager before your feet touched the ground. Personally, I would insist that the Barking police treat this as they should have - breaking and entering ,and possibly it might amount to threatening behaviour and carrying an offensive weapon , and have this lot turfed out PDQ. Alternative as has been suggested by "malcs ,London," is not to be discounted either. Everyone sees Britain as an easy mark - but can that be true that housing associations and councils tell people to break in like this ? It beggars belief.
People must rise up and force the weaklings who "govern" to get some backbone!
Here in Australia we have a squatter problem also, and a much more prevalent one than I ever realised, when I recently went to rent a house for the first time in a few decades. Twice I ran into houses for rent which when we went to inspect with the real estate agent, were found to have squatters just moved in. This out of no more than a dozen houses I looked at.
Come on You Brits start cracking some heads, Make s strart at taking back Your Country, You have 10.000 Troops defending People in Other Countries, who is going to defend You against what is happening in Your own Cpintry.
I don't see what the problem is? People get the government they deserve (and this has everything to do with the government and nothing to do with the Police - they just do what they are told in return for their wages). When you vote in weak, internationalist (that goes for all 3 of the 'main parties') parties that value the Human Rights Act and Foreign Aid above the British people than you will get everything that you deserve. Now it's every man and woman for themselves. You voted for it. Enjoy!
I thought that knife wielding was an automatic prison sentence. Where are the Police now. Sorry forgot we are trying to criminalise the middle classes.
I don't understand!!!!!!!!! You Britain's are nuts! In this country we can shoot people who threaten us in our own homes. Now if the Democrats stay in power too long than we will probably end up like you guys.
Steve,Essex.People complain but they should wake up to the problem.The BNP would soon have sorted these horrendous things one reads about in the UK.
So I can break into a house, change the locks, purloin the fixtures and fittings, electric,gas etc..... It used to be called theft if someone was still living in the house at the time.
I'm so glad we're allowed the freedom in America to possess firearms and allowed to defend our own property.
I'm so glad I left U.K for the U.S.A., try that mess in Arizona and the squatters will be out in less than 5 seconds, no need to wait for "courts". When are Brits going to say enough is enough?
Unbelievable !!! is there any law and order in england anymore?? this is what comes of no right to bear arms or defend self and property
1) These "squatters" are guilty of breaking and entering. Fact. 2) These "squatters" are guilty of criminal damage. Fact. 3) These "squatters" are guilty of burglary/theft. Fact. 4) The woman brandishing the knife is guilty of: a) Carrying an offensive weapon. Fact. b) Threatening behaviour with an offensive weapon. Fact. SO WHY ARE THE POLICE NOT ARRESTING THESE CRIMINALS? Because our politically correct "police force" isn't a force. It's a FARCE. Fact. Living in this country is a nightmare. Fact. Time this wishy-washy government changed the laws to prevent this type of behaviour - but I won't hold my breath waiting. They're as bad as the last lot. Fact.
I want these Lithuanians to take over some MP's house ( David Camerans house would be a good one for them) and maybe a few judge's house's. You might see the law changed then;
As a country we are just easy targets because of our LAWS.It needs to change now.Home owners have no rights that has to be so so WRONG.CHANGE THE LAWS NOW.
This is ridiculous!! You mean to say that if I were to ever want to return to the UK it would be perfectly legal for me to steal someone elses house? Mr Cameron, fix this insane hole in the law.
This is not an epidemic of squatting. Calm down and don't choke on your Horlicks!
Excuse me is not forcing an entry burglary? I seem to remember from my days in the plod to enter property as a trespasser with intent. to steal? Electricity, gas or whatever. The GUTLESS BRITISH POLICE make me ashamed to have ever served in it
So what if the Lithuanina family were conned? That's not the house owners fault. If I bought a stolen Ipod, even in good faith, I'd still have to give it back to the original owner. Where is the difference? Get the Lithuanians out of these peoples houses, have THEM go to the police and use the courts to find the con artists rather than forcing the original home owners to do so to get their own homes back. For Mrs Belalij or Mr Pope to be at the receiving end of this is disgusting!
The woman brandishing the knife: why has she not been arrested for threatening behaviour?
A womam appears in public carring a huge knife and she doden't gat arrested ???, why isn't it against the law to carry a knife in public any more.
Thank New Labour and the EU- both made UK citizens easy pickings for these criminals.
its the latest scam, by those who seek to make a mockery of our liberal, soft laws....
A worrying trend. Could have a knock on effect with people seizing each other's homes.
Are there no trespass laws in England?
Well make it so the police can act immediately, numpty laws.
I cannot speak to British law. But this situation goes beyond a civll matter if it were in my state in the United States. These people have squatted in someone else's house without the owner's permission--the bogus estate agent had neither title nor possession to the house, and hence had no legal right to tell these people to move in. In my state, once they have been warned that this is someone else's house, and they have no right there, and must leave forthwith, if they remained there they could be prosecuted for trespassing, and very probably burglary. If British law forces a homeowner to go to court to get an eviction order for people who are occupying his or her home without his or her permission, and whom he or she never invited in in the first place, the British law or laws in question badly need an overhaul.
Let me get this straight, if I break into a house and steal property I would be committing a crime, be arrested and could well end up in prison. On the other hand, if I break into a house and steal the whole property and everything in it then that is considered not to be a crime and everybody would just sit back and say "tough luck" to the owner/occupier of the property. Isn't it time this lunacy was ended once and for all and so called "squatting" was made a criminalk offence like all other forms of theft?
The police are too lenient on criminal foreigners, worrying about being too un-PC yet alienating their own countrymen. You'd be thrown in jail for pulling this kind of stunt in other countries, no wonder people flock to the UK. We are the laughing stock of the world right now!
The Police can't help in this matter, but can heavy handedly stop parents from parking next to a school for disabled children to collect children in wheelchairs. The sanctity of our own homes cannot be protected, but parking regulations must be enforced ? What is this country coming to !
I'll bet the authorities would find a way to move squatters out of Number 10 Downing Street and not be waiting for a civil court to sort things out.
PC and the HR Act has forced us to take leave of our senses. The Country is literally being devoured.
This government does not to be changing things in the right direction, does it?
If you keep on voting liberals in, this is what you get! We are fighting to get them out of our government before the same thing happens to us in the US!!!! The people have to take their country BACK!!!!
It is even worse when you get housing associations and councils telling people to SQUAT and then say to them that you can not be evicted without a court order. This country has been ruined and I thought this government would make some changes but this and other bits in the news show they are no different to the last bunch of champagne socialists – we need an uprising in this country and turf out all these layabouts etc and get the UK back to being great and out of the EU as well
Welcome to soft, easy touch, pushover England...where anything go´s...Vigililantism is just around the corner.. it will be the only way to defend YOUR rights !
True the POLICE And the COURTS can do nothing.....but once you have regained possession of your home...it's no longer a problem...you just have to regain possession - hint hint....
When is this crazy law going to change? What would happen if we tried that in Lithuania? What is it about our law makers that likes to makes mugs of the British? Come on Dave, sort this out, no excuses.
I don't believed for one moment the squatters' story that they were scammed. They just broke in and take over, otherwise why would they changed the locks and chucked other people's belongings. The police should have charged them for breaking and entering. Our laws seem to care more on the rights of perpetrators (squatters) than the victims.
Truly the stuff of nightmares. These 'people' are inhuman scum, without a shred of human empathy they just take a person's livelihood which they have worked hard to get themselves. Worst thing is.. The courts can't do a damn thing about it! Best wishes to all those affected.
It would seem that pillaging didn't disappear with the Dark Ages! As far as Mr Pope's house....'illegal occupation' would be a correct term....and they stole some of his goods, so why are the Police dragging their heels? This Law that protects 'squatters' needs changing....and fast, before more people lose their homes and all their wordly goods to a bunch of thieves!
Another benefit of immigration I suppose. Successive Governments have claimed we are a tolerant nation well I am not and they don't speak for me and have caused this mess we are in.
you cannot tell me this is not a crime. The police should come out from behind their yellow curtains and do something.The key to all this is the fact that the invaders are Lithuanian, if they had been a family of English folk they would have been turned out with no delay. The British police force is made up of craven cowards, the senior officers are pathetic wimps. Uphold the law you snivelling creeps and get these people back into their homes now.
This is Britain after a few decades of sociology graduates promoting their student pot party versions of utopia. Sixties hippies may have grown up but they haven't come down. I reckon they're still high and influencing policy. If you know any liberals try to slap some sense into them.
This is BREAKING AND ENTERING!! Why can't they be arrested for that?? It's long past time that this "squatter's" law was changed. The legal owner is the person who is paying the mortgage! Why should a court have to decide who gets to stay??
'A printed notice stuck to the window cites the Criminal Law Act 1977 and threatens to prosecute anyone who enters without permission.' So why on earth are these illegal squatters not being prosecuted? They entered the property without the owners permission.
This would never be allowed to happen under a BNP leadership.
I don't understand why squatting still isn't a criminal offence in England. In Scotland the owner of a property has the legal right to evict squatters without notice and certainly without going to court and getting an eviction notice. i believe the only condition is that you don't break the law whilst evicting the squatters. I find the idea that someone can break into your home and move in and the only thing you can do as the rightful owner is resign yourself to a court battle, for your house is appalling! Squatters 'rights' in England need to end. They are an affront to ever diminishing group of British citizens who work hard to pay for the roof over their heads.
Imagine if this was a rich persons house. Breaking and entry and all sorts of laws would be found
Does this mean, if I left an upstairs window open, whilst I nipped out for 10 minutes. Someone could use a ladder to enter and claim squaters rights? Another new labour farce.
The politicians welcomed the eastern Europeans with open arms. Let's hope the same happens to a few of them, and would the police deal with it in the same way? I doubt it.
I cannot believe that this is seriously allowed to happen - utterly ridiculous! How can someone own their own home, go out, complete strangers move in and they cannot do anything about it! For goodness sake! Why hasn't someone addressed this loophole already? Someone should be sacked for allowing this to happen to innocent people. Bet the law would be changed instantly if it had happened to them. I would be out of a job if I was this negligent! What a joke.
Stupid country, stupid laws, when will we stop protecting the criminals, the gypsies and these squatters and actually protect the people that are considered 'law abiding'????
left this country after 64 years and will never return
Your comments:Scotland Squatting is a criminal offence in Scotland, punishable by a fine or even imprisonment. The owner or lawful occupier of the property has the right to evict squatters without notice or applying to the court for an eviction order, although when evicting, they cannot do anything that would break the law, for example, use violence.
A printed notice stuck to the window cites the Criminal Law Act 1977 and threatens to prosecute anyone who enters without permission. And whom may I ask, is going to prosecute you, the police certainly wont, as "it's a civil matter" So if we all put one of these notices in our windows, any squatters will be liable for prosecution then.
I don't see how these people are legally in the UK. In Cyprus I need to register after a 3 month stay and show I have an income to support myself and take out private health care before I can legally stay. These people don't appear to be able to support themselves and should therefore be deported, like France is doing to the Roma Gypsies. Why in God's name do you allow them to stay??
I don't see how these people are legally in the UK. In Cyprus I need to register after a 3 month stay and show I have an income to support myself and take out private health care before I can legally stay. These people don't appear to be able to support themselves and should therefore be deported, like France is doing to the Roma Gypsies. Why in God's name do you allow them to stay??
What planet do these immigrants come from ?
Surely breaking and entering someone else's property is a crime and you have the right to use reasonable force to deal with burglars on your property? If its your own property you also have the right to break a window with a sledgehammer to get at these thieves as well.
I would not even bother with the council or the police, I would forcibly remove these people from my property even though they would not doubt have more 'uman rights and I would later be charged with manhandling or something similar. How dare they take over people's homes like this and why are the council and police "powerless"? What a ridiculous state of affairs.
This is what happens when you let limp wristed men run the country. What a perfetic race of people we are becoming. Expect more of this and worse in the future as values such as self respect, hard work and self responsibility become outlawed in a quest for a politically correct world. Those rights of which they speak were fought for and won by British people for a British way of life. Please all go back to your own countries and do the same as our ancestors did. I have no interest in Lithuania or anything Lithuanian!
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS . what happened to the Law of Breaking and Entry or does that only apply to British people .This poxy country is getting worse daily
I cannot understand why it is so difficult to remove people from property they have entered illegally. Surely it is a crime to break into a property, so why can't the police simply go in and arrest the criminals?
'By taking quick action we have been able to restore Mr Pope to his home without the need to apply to court for an eviction notice. This would have been a very lengthy process' By giving them another house in exchange,- when will people realise that immigrants have more rights than tax payers and it is only going to get a lot worse.........with all the european numpties having a say the people other european countries don't want, give them a psaaport and they know they will make their way to the U.K..easy life!!
It's about time the law was changed urgently. This cannot be allowed to continue, if it is allowed to continue, then it will quickly spread across the country. Joys of living in todayÂ’s PC correct Britain.
Bet she's happier in the place she's been staying. It's a council / housing association house so the council / housing association foot the bill to get it back. No drama.
I think i can save dagenham council and the police alot of money here,SOME CRIMINAL BROKE INTO THIS CHAPS HOUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPEND get a life you pen pushes
Let them come around to my house and try to turn it in to a squat, they'd get a rude awakening if they did. The law in this country is pathetic, how is it possible for someone to effectively break in to your home and then you as the owner of the property have no rights to do anything about it other than go through a long (and probably expensive) court process in an attempt to remove people from your home that shouldn't be there in the first place!! What a joke....
She did leave the house for five months before checking on the renovation so musn't have missed it too much.
Next home will be yours.Wake Up and join BNP or UKIP to stop this invasion.
If a British family moved in to squat in the home of foreign nationals, the hate-crime police would be all over them like a nasty rash. This situation is utterly outrageous!
"Police and the council say they are powerless to act unless they have a court order requiring the squatters to be evicted." So are the police saying in future that this could happen to absolutely anybody who, say, goes on holiday? When you return and discover your house has been broken into it's no longer seen as "breaking and entering" but the simple 'thief' could actually be interpreted as a 'squatter'? Will this result now in a whole generation of thieves deciding it's much easier to stay put in the house and declare yourself a squatter than simply 'breaking and entering'? Why bother stealing when you might just as well stay put. Why not just disconnect the burglar alarm and put the kettle on? I'm not sure what sort of message this is sending to people who go on holiday. The police are not shown in a good light here! This sounds like it has a lot to do with political correctness and clever lawyers who know how to defend the criminals human rights!
Neither of these two incidents are that far apart so it seems the Lithuanians have got a foothold in the area, time for the law to be changed aimed specifically at situations like this if that can be done at a local level then all the better, or they could let street law take over where the family of the people effected take care of it.
Once again, we have a case of the criminals having all the rights and the actaul owner / tenant having to pay to get them out.
OUTRAGEOUS. ONLY IN BRITAIN
Madness, just one of the reasons why i had to ESCAPE Britain. England is a soft touch - why aren't these people deported? Living in this country should be a privilege, these people treat it live a joke.
Welcome to England, the largest ASYLUM in the World.
The law is indeed an ASS These parasites should be arrested and deported straight away I am sure this would happen in France
when the police catch them, the government should deport them. let them go and squat in houses in their own country. this government is getting tough on everyone in england, including the royal family. lets see them showing the same toughness on foreigners.
George Pope's case is so alarming an immediate change to the law is needed. This is not the first case that has been reported of someone coming home and finding squatters occupying their house. The only home these squatters deserve is a prison cell (it must have been quite obvious that the home was lived in). I presume under current law I could enter No. 10 while David is out, change the locks and occupy it one year while he gets a court order.
How come this is not theft? If I have the legal documents at the land registry - why can't I have ownership enforced, or does this just apply to rented accommodation? @/''
Just goes to show another stupid side to laws in this country. When will some one in government stop the rot that is happening to life in the UK??
Taking anything without consent is theft. Squatting is property theft, even if they can walk in off the street through an open door. Seeing as the new government is cleaning up stupid laws, this one needs sorting out.
This is absolutely appalling! How on earth is there such a thing as 'squatters rights' and why does it hold more weight than the crimes they commit such as breaking and entering, trespassing etc! Awful!
Perhaps our MPs could take some time out from making complaints about the new rules regarding expenses claims and give this matter some attention?
Every day in every way our membership of the European Union gets better and better! As for these squatters - they have stolen a home - arrest them!
THANK YOU BLAIR AND BROWN. Feels nice not being able to go out to shops wondering if i can get back in
This must be the only Country, apart from Zimbabwe, where this rule is upheld by the law. The law that is supposed to uphold British Citizens rights not give immigrants precedence.
Why is everyone surprised? This is crazy, lawless Britain where immigrants and squatters have more rights than legitimate home owners. Of course the Police aren't interested - too much like hard work throwing out the low lifes.
Will these undesirables be immediately deported, as they should be, or would that breach THEIR human rights?
Crime figures released today show the lowest level of crime since 1981?? That's because 22 years on it's a complete waste of time reporting crime because the police are completely useless. If they told us how many crime numbers they'd issued, you might get a more accurate figure, but they're only for insurance. Our police don't care.
Give them a house and loads of benefits that should give them a good base to work from.At least there fleesing us twice.Please tell your friends to,bring more of your family to Britain as we are calling out for skilled workers like picks pockets and thieves.The do good era and human rights fanatics will,give you free bed and board.
Anyone going to Paris must hide their wallet, purse, passport, cell phone inside their clothing, otherwise you stand a very high chance of losing them. Backpacks are very vulnerable. Don't let anyone touch your luggage on a train even if they just want to move it and buy your tickets at the counter not the machines.
Such cheerful happy folk in their working day.
These people are not welcome in my name - it's time all nonworking immigrants were sent home - NOW!
I have no problem with people from other countries coming into the uk to work or study. HOWEVER the majority of bulgarians etc are not here for that. They have taken over some areas of Glasgow and destroyed the place. They hang around every street corner 10 -20 of them they try and harass you if you walk by them. Young kids are running around half naked carrying stolen teles etc. They are involved in crimininal activity, prostituation and benefit fraud. I used to work in an area where there were alot of eastern europeans and none of them worked they wrecked all the properties they stayed in (paid by housing benefit no less). They are here to use and abuse this country.
What's funny is I never saw any of this happening in Romania or Bulgaria. In fact I felt safer in Bucharest than I have in most Western European nations. Looks like I now know the reason, the criminals are the only ones that are fleeing Romania and Bulgaria and leaving all the sophisticated nice people there. Though notice it's the Roma that are the ones primarily responsible for this. The Roma are also highly looked down upon in Romania and Bulgaria as well and they are trying to force the Roma nomads out of their nations as well...
Unfortunately pickpockets are rife at any major town/cities and tourist hotspots targeting people who are lax with belongings or security....act like a mug and you will get mugged!
Dear all - I was living in Rome BEFORE Bulgaria and Romania were allowed into the EU and i can promise it made no difference what so ever. These people live outside of society they do not integrate and do not use the country's infrastructure so legal or not legal it makes no difference. I currently live in Switzerland (not in the EU) and we have millions of them. Therefore this drastic "leave the EU" reaction is based on sensationalized media stories and not on the facts of the matter. Britain is not strong enough to stand alone. As for the Romany people - they are easy to spot and you avoid them, simples.
They have a human right to do whatever they please. We must not hamper this in any way- Ben Fig, New York, United States, 18/7/2013 7:40 - I have a human right to not be accosted in the street, to have my hard-earned cash nicked by those who haven't done a day's proper work in their lives. I have a human right to not be intimidated when I visit places like Paris and London, I have a human right not to feel my country is under threat from those whose society is a world away from ours. But no-one listens to the human rights of those of us who just get on with trying to live decent, honest, lives, do they.
I was targeted by a group of Romanian thieves in Tokyo, of all places. The scam was a 'distract and steal' deal. One guy started yelling at me in 'european' for no reason while two of his friends moved in on my sides. At the time I was carrying a lot of cash on me so I was more aware than usual of threats and quicker to react. I was holding a drink in one hand and a coat (with the cash) in the other. Having no free hands I head-butted the shouting guy as hard as I could. Down he went. And this is the weird part. His two accomplices, without hesitation, gave up one me and quietly dragged their unconscious compatriot out the bar. The whole team (3 guys & 2 women) just melted out of sight. Needless to say, I don't go there anymore. Stabby people, the Romanians. Long memories.
The child thieves have been in Paris for quite a while, they were hounding people in packs on the Champ de Lise when I was there fifteen years ago.
"Immigrants needed to prop the aging UK population. Says it all! - kaycee , london, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 14:22" But they are not! We need our own youngsters and not so youngsters back into gainful employment first. More immigrants are the last thing we need.
Loved the horse is bolted comment! It is never too late, start reversing the policy now. Give nobody the right to come to Britain unless they have savings, health insurance and a job to come to. Do not let them have benefits. If they commit a crime deport them to serve their sentence where they came from (usually much cheaper). Make them stay and pay tax 16 years before they can apply for citizenship and do not give the right to their children born in the UK to be British. They must be married for 6 years before they can apply to be Briitsh and they have to sit and pass an English test. Welcome them as guests and they have to behave, pay their own way if they don't then they are no longer guests and they leave. Sound like a crazy futuristic idea. Welcome to Switzerland that is how they do it here! In 2002 they signed the 'Shengen" treaty to allow EU to come and work here. They are now doing a u turn (the people voted so) and are in the process to not allowing this.
They're already here! And they're coming in at a fast rate. Just yesterday I went to a local restaurant with family and as we drove we could see so, so many Romanians in our area. It's actually very creepy. The third image of the Romanian children really is how it is around here. They just look at you and are very rowdy when passing peoples houses. It's as if they have a system in which they do their 'job' and report back to their boss. Typically, the boss is this mysterious-looking fat Romanian man. Now quite recently we've seen 2 Romanian men carrying a giant bath tub on a trolley in our area. They go from house to house helping themselves to any bits of metal and other material in front gardens. It's probably one thing they unintentionally do right! This country is ignoring the fact that they are coming in at the fastest rate ever. Last year I hardly saw this in my area!
WHAT? We need Romainian police to sort out these thevies? How stupid is that, the police in that country are more currupt than anything these scavengers get up to. The police will soon become part of the gang and will take a cut in everything they steal. Besides why bring in more Romainian?
Might be coming to the UK? you say that like there is a chance they wont!
Safe bet they won't be going to Britain, they only go where there are rich pickings, the majority of Brits are skint.
I despair for the future of Britain
What a mess inner city areas have become. Fortunately I live in the country, and those sort of people don't come here, cos we still use shotguns.
Just think what we have to come thanks to Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and our joint Conservative and Lib Dems, for God sake get us out of the EU now, please have some balls. What you have done to our country you should be ashamed, I only wish they lived on your doorstep and then perhaps you will change your tune. Even now in Ruislip Lido, at 6am this morning there they are there making fires and sleeping rough. Why are they making fires in this weather? Witnessed some relieving themselves in the bushes and even in the lake itself. 2 weeks ago witnessed 2 men walking with huge rack sacks on their backs again at 6am, our dog was jumping up at their rack sacks and a few yards on the ground was covered in white swan feathers. This is what our good old UK is becoming, it breaks our hearts.
"Romanians are lovely people if you take the time to sit and chat with them, rather than believing this racist garbage." (Cade) But these are not Romanians, at least not on ethnicity at least. These are gypsies, which are exclusivist and do not consider themselves to belong to any particular country. They do not steal or do other kind of crimes upon each other, but they consider it to be in their customs to do that from others. Get in touch with them and learn more, you'll be amazed. "Am indian , I will be the happiest person in the world" (mattprice1707) These "eastern european migrants" are in fact a very well-preserved ethnicity of Indian and Pakistani people, despite the fact that they came in Europe over 500 years ago.
Vote UKIP, do you need any more reasons?
What do you mean 'may be' coming here? They've been here for years!
I foresee a landslide victory for UKIP after January 2014 !
So glad I'm not in England anymore . Thank god ! - crac, Perth Australia, 18/7/2013 13:48########## Lol, Perth would have to be the most violent crime ridden place on the planet. I read last week where a family were celebrating a birthday for a child in a suburban cafe and yobs came in and wrecked the place, plus I have family and friends in Perth and they say that home invasions and other kinds of lawlesness is rife. So you can keep Perth, as the locals are very unfriendly.
coming to the u.k in january,cant wait,
The French are usually tough on sorting out these gypsies. If they can't control the pickpockets and thieves in Paris then God help us in London when they come en masse!! How I HATE Blair's legacy for the UK. UKIP gets my vote whenever I can now.
Romanians are lovely people if you take the time to sit and chat with them, rather than believing this racist garbage. 1 bad apple doesn't mean you can condemn the whole orchard. - Black Bart, Dodge City, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 13:52........................No, but tens of thousands of bad apples does!
Just think what we have to come thanks to Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and our joint Conservative and Lib Dems, for god sake get us out of the EU now, please have some balls. What you have done to our country you should be ashamed, I only wish they lived on your door step and then perhaps you will change your tune.
EU's policy of Open Borders was NEVER EVER going to be a good thing. What we are seeing now is just accident waiting to happen. Agreeing with one of the comments, 'this is not an invasion, it's governments' invitation'!!!
heres news for YOU DM...there are ALREADY HERE!
Armageddon arrives here New Years Eve in the UK. Tony Blair passed it on 2003. I fear what will happen England is over obliterated it is so sad. There is nothing we can do about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our useless MPs need to get their head out of the sand and quick. these people are not wanted!
May help to use only cashpoints inside of banks. Time to sell wallets with waist chains attached!!
Just ask yourself.......why do they want to come here? No, it's not our temperate climate they seek but the easy and rich pickings that we are universally renowned for. Why live in poverty when you can arrive here, claim money from state, have free access to all that the NHS has to offer and practice your considerable criminal talents on the hapless nationals with near impunity. What soft-touch this nation of ours presents and....................it is ever going to change for the better, please?
Tony Blair is lobbying that Turkey be allowed into EU. that means millions of desperate Kurds will be flocking to the UK seeking work and relief from the Turkish military crackdown. I often think it would have been best had EU expansion never taken place
Wow, really whipping up the hatred and fear. - Au Contraire, Wirral, United Kingdom, 18/07/2013 12:46 You'll laugh the other side of your face when you get robbed..
Have a good look at their features, hair colour / style, etc. from these photos now and give anyone who looks similar to them a wide wide berth. Ignore their smiles to take a survey and just walk on. But make sure you also watch others around you as you walk away from any ATM. Vote UKIP if current government is still not doing anything about stopping the floods of romanians.
What is CAMERON going to do about it. Leave the EU and keep them out.
Going to Paris for my 25th wedding anniversary so really happy that the risk of being stolen from has been highlighted.These criminals seem to be treating the whole thing as a game and have like in England most probably been arrested several times with pathetic punishments making it profitable and a genuine choice for migrants to do.Any visitor to another country ,even if it is a member state of the Union ,must be returned to their home country if they commit any crime whatsoever no matter how petty.Judging by the "victims " shown in these pictures they will target anyone ,young ,old, couples ,singles anyone who meets them is a potential victim.
Vote UKIP, resign from the EU NOW and put the military in charge of our borders. No more traitor politicians...
What a despicable & humiliating propaganda by DM against Bulgaria! You should be ashamed for spreading such hatred towards a good nation that has such a rich culture, incredible history & decent, educated & hard-working people. These criminals are ROMANI GYPSIES, they have NOTHING TO DO with the Bulgarian people. They DO NOT represent our culture, spirit or values in ABSOLUTELY ANY WAY. They cause the same trouble at home as they do all over Europe. Any effort by the Bulgarian people to deal with their destructive way of living has been cut short by the EU because of such & such regulation demanding from us to be 'tolerant' & integrate these 'minorities' into our society, or else we are penalised & branded as racist! The Bulgarian people understand when you say Britain is 'full' & can¿t cope with any more immigrants. That's all you have to say, we get it. But to continuously try to brand these criminals, who cannot even speak Bulgarian, as 'Bulgarians' is wrong on so many levels.
I can not understand how they can get into the UK. It is easy to cross borders in Europe they just drive around in their beat up old vans. But they should be stopped from entering Britain at the ports and airports. Is there no control? it seems so simple. No one wants them so send them all to their country of birth.
Isn't multiculturalism wonderful? When an experiment is obviously not working, isn't it time to stop?
Immigrants needed to prop the aging UK population. Says it all!
The bottom line is that the authorities in Paris dont care to do anything as the tourists keep coming.I suspect the French subconsciously take some joy in visitors being robbed. After having my phone pick-pocketed on the bank of the Seine just behind the Louvre, I realised that they dont even have security cameras anywhere in the area. This was in April and certainly all the tourist hot-spots were invested with these characters. At the police station the policewoman had very little interest and kept feeding the office dog while supposedly attending to me. Why should the police care anyway as there are no laws that can be enforced, e.g.regulating the use of donation lists? At the Eiffel for example these girls were shouting back at armed soldiers and continued their operations-nothing they can do. I strongly recommend not going to Paris, but who will listen?
They have a combined population of nearly 30 million poverty stricken people. - theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 11:26 ----- What rubbish. Have you ever been to Romania or Bulgaria? No, thought not.
multiculturalism garbage - ZEUS, the Olympian, Spain, 18/7/2013 2:52 fyi crime figures in teh u.k released today show lowest level of crime since the 1981so it would appear that the more immigrants the less crime, And it was in fact the people of the 80¿s who where the criminal scum.
Has anyone seen my horse? I think it's bolted!
There are loads of these petiton takers all young girls loads of them around the sacrequer, I wondered what there angle was
Hah, just think - we will be paying them to steal our money! They will all be on benefits, free everything. Then come and steal of us at the same time. And there is nothing we can do about it. Scum politicians do not care, it will never effect them. If it was going to effect them, then they would do something about it. Scum scum scum.
Clearly nothing is going to change the fact that they are coming so i suppose we are going to have to cope until the next General Election when, if people have any common sense, they will vote UKIP so we can get our country back.
As far as i know, nothing teaches us better these stuff like british TV shows and films. Lock Stock and Barrel ANd Snatch, Rock n Rolla. Skins. This is England. not to mention american shows like White Collar. They make stealing look fun.
And absolutely nothing will be done about this.
Our only hope is our departure from the EU,our referendum is needed NOW.
You mean they HAVE PICKPOCKETS in Paris - FOREIGN PICKPOCKETS who maybe might come over here? We are doomed I tell you, DOOMED!
They have a human right to do whatever they please. We must not hamper this in any way- Ben Fig, New York, United States, 18/7/2013 7:40.......You are lucky in that you are not part of the EU. Their laws stink.
This was the reason I didn't feel safe in Paris as these people are everywhere and so intimidating. Terrible !
saw this everywhere in Nice about 5//6yrs ago. I had to explain to someone from New Zealand that they weren't French. they're rampant in Eastern Europe, it's beyond belief. the whole lot will be over come next Jan'. immigration is OUT OF CONTROL.
Coming over here, stealing the jobs of our good, honest, white criminals, how dare they?!
When they arrive direct them straight to the house of commons, where they can pick the pockets of the MPS who pick ours daily.
Why are these children not taken into care? The Roma would soon give this country a wide berth if that were to happen. Their meal ticket would have disappeared.
Thiis is already happening, it has been for a long time. My friend caught a romanian girl with her hand in her bag yesterday, the shop locked the doors til the police came, she was arrested and let off with a caution. She's probably being doing exactly the same thing to someone at this moment. It's rife in the town where I work. And it will only get worse. Well done Britain for opening it's doors to the pieces of scum who do this. They are laughing all the way to the bank at our expense, literally.
Don't forget these idiots in Brussels allowed these countries are fit to join the EU.
Romanians are lovely people if you take the time to sit and chat with them, rather than believing this racist garbage. 1 bad apple doesn't mean you can condemn the whole orchard.
Wait until they hit my neighbourhood...
What percentage of the electorate bothered to vote at the last election?
What is the world coming to. In my grandparents day everyone respected each other and helped one another. No one seems to care anymore. It seems the vast majority is out to fleece the next person. Tories and Liebor are all to blame. We have no back bone anymore. We are a disgrace. No wonder we are a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
I dont supose we will have to wait long before we see another gold medalion added to Tony Blairs collection. This time for outstanding services to Rumanian. It will look great next to the one he recieved from the Polish goverment Well donePresident Blair.
Could be heading for the UK?? That is an absolute certainty--just wait until next year!!!!
English criminals do this too - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom>>> English criminals in England. Well I never!
Who are these idiots that say we need more foreign immigrants into this country to pay for the ageing populations pensions... That's like saying keep having children so they can help you carry all the food home!!!! or get more people in the lifeboat to bail it out coz it's sinking!!!!
Our MP's are stealing from as. Under he EU human rights criminals are favoured more than innocent civilians. As far as they are concerned "Who Cares"? Time we start getting our voices heard rather than shut up to these idiots.
Am indian , I will be the happiest person in the world coming January, as the focus will shift to eastern european migrants, Its been 4 years really fed up with the Government, media, local people attacking migrants and also sky rocketing visa fees ....so by the time i receive the Permanent settlement or British citizenship( which am not keen as have come here for some work exposure and go back , not to live permanently ) along with my wife and child , i would have spent 15000 GBP for the visa fees... I hope i will be able to breathe properly from next year as we wont be attacked from all corners ...... regards - pavangk, london, United Kingdom, Are you for real? You've written what can only be described as a rant moaning about your treatment as a migrant yet then said that you are using our country to get yourself some work skills that you won't even use here. Also, saying you'll be the happiest person in the world when the eastern europeans come is hardly going to endear you.
But viewing the figures Brits abroad are a much bigger problem than immigrants here.
People are saying they are already here in Britain, it would not surprise me at all to find out the borders were opened earlier then expected, so when it does open officially people wont see the big influx that politicians say wont happen because they are already here, they are crafty and treat us like idiots.
I take it we are assuming they are all criminals are we??
These people won't be too shocked if they get the cold shoulder, when trying to do us over. unless they have the ability to speak the local dialect (yes it still exists outside of the South East), they will be viewed as dodgy. As all three parties are in on this, it's UKIP for the next elections so far as I'm concerned
Not madness as a few people have mentioned but common purpose. The is part of the plan to dilute our identity to the point we don't care and actually beg them to control us more. We then head towards the one world order they want.
Just wait till 2015 UKIP!!!
Looks like we're in for a treat next year! Perfect timing too, seeing as we've hardly any police on the streets.
So, we are supposed to think that these people are waiting for January 1st to come to UK? Because they are waiting for free access on labour market? Why would they need access to labour market? There are spread around Europe towns from the moment these countries joined EU, in 2007. I am more concerned of those hard working ones that are coming to work for peanuts.
In Paris recently, constantly approached by young people with clipboards who enquired whether I spoke English. Always said "Non". Honest people, here or abroad, you need to take great care when in public, in queues or at ATMs or ticket machines. If with someone, have them stand behind you back to back. Use ATMs in bank lobbys if possible. Be careful of people who offer help, or want the time - they are checking what watch or mobile you have. What a state the world has become.
I've seen these people in Paris. They tried to get me to sign a petition for deaf people by the Eiffel tower, i'm not gullible so told them where to go! It does put a downer on my trip to Paris, you have to constantly watch out!
if the government wont look after it,s people ,,,,dont complain when they look after themselves,,,,,,,,,,,,because this is going to happen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they have had plenty of warning.....
Most of them come from .......... you guessed it Romania - this is what will hit our English Streets and there is nothing we can do about it - Cameron and his "firm" are ok they get driven around and claim taxi expenses all at our expenses - we need to stop the "EU Freedom" as we are Great Britain not THE EU - UKIP
Everyone PANIC!
Cameron and his New Liberal party wake up this is your Poll Tax moment!!!!
Go and take a look at Marble Arch right now and times that by the size of the UK and we all know its coming and the end result on the NHS/schools/benefit system and whatever else and we're screaming at our politicians to grow a backbone but they seem to think theyre going to all be going straight into work and it'll be good for the economy but they couldnt be more wrong and clueless and unable to represent the people and need to be booted out before this country is unrepairable.
"Brits behaving badly abroad: 5,400 tourists arrested in a year sparking warnings they could spend years in foreign jails" Hmmm... not counting british pickpockets, scammer, etc.
So glad I'm not in England anymore . Thank god !
If this problem was not so serious I would have thought it a UKIP cunning plan to ensure we get a resounding vote to dump the EU.
Am indian , I will be the happiest person in the world coming January, as the focus will shift to eastern european migrants, Its been 4 years really fed up with the Government, media, local people attacking migrants and also sky rocketing visa fees - pavangk , london, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 12:27 ------------------------------------ Pavangk I want to assure you that the majority of Brits do not care about skin colour and are not against immigration per se. We are concerened, however, with numbers of those permitted to come in (we are a tiny Island and our resources can only stretch so far) and the quality of those coming in. We need people who are workers, who will pay their way. We don't need petty criminals or those who will end up draining our resources/benefits. Being concerned about immigration is not always about race honey, certainly for most of us.
The destruction of Western civilisation, and it's all promoted by the Western political elites.
These people are simply trying to survive. Are there jobs and opportunities for them in their country of origin?........ - Crownprince2 , Ashford, 18/7/2013 11:29 Yes, there are! In Romania at least, these people have houses of their own (some of them several!) and still prefer to go abroad and steal than, god forbid, work their lands and take care of their animals (that the government provided them with, FOR FREE, and which they preferred to sell).
This is not news. My parents were in Europe in '86 specifically Charles de Gaulle Airport where my dad was pickpocketed. Mercifully, they only got his wallet as opposed to everything, including his passport. Now in the States, if you report your cards stolen within a timely fashion, you're only responsible for the first $50. So of course they had to call me and have me cancel all of their cards since you can't call American 1*800 numbers from Europe, but I had to laugh because my late father hated the French with a passion and if they'd gotten his passport he probably would've created an international incident having to wait at the embassy to get a new passport issued. He was not a patient man, and sitting around waiting was not his forte'. The irony of the story was that my parents had just been to Baccarat to pick up some crystal, and where do you think this person went with my dad's ID and credit cards? YOU guessed it!
I promise not to say a word about UKIP. Instead I will vote it.
you have to hand it to them, it does take nerves of steel and a lot of skill
Deport them - at least the French might do that - our lot won't. With luck the Roma will upset a French politician then the fur will fly - bring it on - Vive Le Flic
I will be pushing my kids to NOT have their own children more and more as this country slips into further distress. I hope they take heed cos then they won't have to worry about their kids like I worry about them.... Hell in a hand basket that is where this country (and many other countries) are heading.
We in the UK CANNOT stop the pending influx of these people as it is now part of EUROPEAN LAW. ASK yourself one simple question, if you were poor and had very little in life, other than a large family to support, would you like to go to a country which offers you free housing, free cash benfits, free medical care and family allowance? And all you have to do to qualify and get it is come here to England which as a European Citizen you are entitled to do. I am so fortunate that I will be living abroad soon and this will not affect me, but so sorry for my fellow Brits who are left behind.
A small part of the redistribution of peoples within the EU area; the redistribution of money within the EU Countries; the reduction of EU Countries' economies to same level; then, EU Policy Makers have total government and financial control. - ACR, London, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 11:10>>>>>>>>>>I think you have hit the nail square on the head, this is contrived, a part of the social engineering? The conspiracy theorists were not so far from the truth after all. Welcome to the beginning of a new "old" Soviet Union.
Referendum NOW, UKIP in !!!!!!
well if they do come to the uk. they will be made to feel welcome. if they commit crimes, they have no worry of going to prison. and once they are on uk soil. there is definately no fear of being deported. and all there human rights will be acted on. the land of the soft and laughable crime ridden island... welcome to the uk
Well England just spent the last few days lecturing us about human rights abuses. How can they now refuse an entire ethnic group of people to come into their country? Plus they don't believe in being allowed to fight back even if someone breaks into your home. So these people not only have to be allowed to come into England the native population isn't allowed to fight back by their own standards. And we know that the British legal system doesn't give anyone hardly any jail time. Add all that with laws allowing you to just squat in someone else's house and call it your own, free medical care and generous benefits and you can see why they want flock to England in droves.
If you have ever been down Oxford Street you will see there are people like that here. They are usually being chased by police.
Wow, really whipping up the hatred and fear.
What do you mean could be heading our way? They are here already!
ah ,the joys of europe. just wondering has anyone any idea what good comes from this nightmare called the EU.
They are already here! We have been having a taster for some years. Now it's going to get worse. Immigration is out of control; Blair engineered it and the present government, in thrall to EU legislation, criminally apathetic and passive, have failed to deal with it. We will end up with civil unrest, a disaster for the country. I just can't see any of our present political parties having the guts to tackle this issue head on. If they even want to. Sometimes I think they are allowing it to happen so that feelings will erupt, and we'll do the job for them.
OK, send them home - but then do not get upset over racism going viral in Eastern Europe. Hypocrites.
While in Paris early we were constantly harassed with Eastern Europeans showing us gold wedding rings we had dropped on the floor, which of course we hadn't. They play on greed and hope you think it's real and take it. They then ask for money for " finding it". Haven't seen it here so beware it might well happen soon.
Racism at its worst.
Cameron there will be a war them against us do not let the beggers in out country they are bad people
In Paris it is impossible to avoid the beggars. They encircle you and do everything they can to distract you with petitions, questions, etc. Hold on to your things, ignore them and keep walking!!!
perhaps, we can simply add to the immigration rules the simple phrase that says "If you're coming to Britain to live, you will be first billeted, without luxuries, on one of the Hebrides islands while learning the language and a trade.. that's not discrimination and DOES prevent at least some of the problems that SEEM to becoming more prevalent.
I saw on television that they are bringing over police officers from Romania and Lithuania to act at interpreters so the Government are preparing for the influx and admitting that they can do nothing about it. Vote UKIP and get out of the E U now.
Wake up govement !! The criminal pick pockets are already here!! Do something about it instead of talking about it.
Am indian , I will be the happiest person in the world coming January, as the focus will shift to eastern european migrants, Its been 4 years really fed up with the Government, media, local people attacking migrants and also sky rocketing visa fees ....so by the time i receive the Permanent settlement or British citizenship( which am not keen as have come here for some work exposure and go back , not to live permanently ) along with my wife and child , i would have spent 15000 GBP for the visa fees... I hope i will be able to breathe properly from next year as we wont be attacked from all corners ...... regards
interesting how the Romanians are called racist by western europe when trying to tackle the roma situation but whem they've started to move to western Europe, they can't deal with it... I thought we were all suppposed to get together and find a solution? ..
Best of luck UK when they all arrive on your shores but remember the vast majority of these people will target major cities where they will not stand out from the crowd... Politicians are not interested because this lot will not be living anywhere near their rural affluent villages, etc
I am very worried what's going to happen come Jan 2014. Shame on David Cameron for allowing this to happen. If he had any sort of backbone he'd get us out of the EU or at least stop them from coming over here.
Mr. Camoron, Ms. May, would you both please do your jobs and protect the UK from an infiltration of these undesirables? Your first duty is to the UK, not to the bent, corrupt, and increasingly expensive, but unaccountable, EU.
These people are the scum of the earth and should be arrested when caught and deported without appeal. Fingerprints/retina scans taken on their way out to ensure they don't come back in again. A token slap on the wrist is not going to bother them as they thrive on living outside the law. Having said that they are very easy to spot. Always cover your PIN (I can't believe people still don't do it). And anyone shoving a petition in my face and blocking my way would get a swift hard kick in the shins. Or if male somewhere a tad higher.
I recently had my card 'swallowed' by an ATM in a residential area of Coventry. Within an hour, before I had had time to cancel the card, £250 had been withdrawn, and a further £150 spend at 2 supermarkets. The police weren't really interested, but lukily Natwest refunded the money for me very quickly. A friend of the family, who is a police officer, told us that the vast majority of these crimes are committed by Romanian gangs. The whole situation was both distressing and disheartening, that these crimes can happen so close to home. Apparently, they sit in a nearby car, watch you at the machine, and then when you leave, they remove the card from the machine and withdraw money. Creepy to say the least!
Don't want to alarm you DM, but they are already here ! London is rife, two youngish East European-esque made the mistake of targeting my 6ft 3", sturdily built brother...he nearly took one of their arms off, and my language wasn't lady like either.....I informed very loudly to all around that they were pickpockets and to be on your guard., needless to say they scurried away like the rats they are.....this problem will only get worse until the politicians actually get off their backsides and do something, without the namby-pamby approach of 'we don't want to upset anyone'....
Could be coming here ? - They already are courtesy of our " come on in " policy of immigration . A visit to London now is totally spoiled as you need to be constantly on your guard against these low lives.
Don't fret they are already here, we only usually carry a few pound in cash with us and reckon we are pretty street savvy, but even though she had taken all sensible precautions, at Christmas, after leaving the bank my wife had £400 taken from her handbag, by one of these lovable visitors. Luckily for us, we were able to get the money returned.
Having been a victim of a pickpocket gang three years ago, instead of feeling victimised , I decided to turn this negative into a positive and turn it into a game /challenge. Its now up to me to become aware and astute enough to prevent this crime happening again. So now if they managed to get me again they have scored , here is where you will think Im crazy I will now think I'm going to have to up my game , and not be of filled with impotent rage and go about feeling sorry for myself.
Much as I dislike sharia style punishments, it would appear that the removal of hands,may be the only deterant effective
Funny how UKIP are the only ones that said this would happen, and the rest of the pro EU gang said it was scare mongering!!
David Cameron ? Hello ? Anyone there ? No thought not ....
With Cameron and Cleggs current government and Labours last time around, this will be happenig in every city in britain soon, the doors to briatin are wide open, come steal, sponge etc your allll welcome
In Birmingham such is the problem that police from Poland and Romania are accompanying our own so they don't spend hours waiting for interpreters when the criminals claim not to speak English. My solution, identify the country of origin and send them to holding camps, before returning them to their own country and send the bill to Poland or wherever. Lifetime ban on returning to UK
One wonders how Mr. Putin would deal with these people if they started doing this in Moscow? Siberian prisons have a very high death rate, due to the poor food, bitter cold, and inadequate clothing. Perfect for dealing with lifes scum.
They are definitely on their way here. Until we all agree on a good way to tackle poverty, discrimination and prejudice, we will not have rest from these pranks. These people are simply trying to survive. Are there jobs and opportunities for them in their country of origin? Have the French made any conscious effort to integrate those who have arrived on their shores by creating a prejudice free environment for them to find work? Are they even deemed qualified to be given menial jobs to survive and have money to send back to suffering families back in their home country? Do we think if Britain was not paying benefits to the poor, homeless and drug addicts, we will not be worse than these people?
While in Spain last year my son was done by Romas to the tune of almost 600euro (we had warned him about carrying all his money but he is young and knows everything). He reported it and the women involved were caught but the police told him there would be no punishment because the women all claimed to have young children who had to be cared for. This is madness, they know they wont be punished properly so there is no deterrent. I always thought this free movement of countries was more to do with the labour market, not for any old person wanting handouts to turn up and ruin life for the natural inhabitants.
Wake up Cameron and Co. Senior German police officers refer to Romania and Bulgaria as the crime twins of Europe. They have a combined population of nearly 30 million poverty stricken people. We must firmly close our door before the January influx. This is a national disgrace and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with... an unemployable underclass?
We have always grown our own pick pockets! All major cities in the world , including London, have loads of them, and always have. Read Oliver Twist, and bring joy to Mr. Gove', as a biproduct. I have learned during my eighty years, not to put valuables in pockets, bags, purses etc, but in a money bag which can not be got at quickly. If everybody did that pick pockets would go out of business. Oh, by the way, pick pockets are of all nationalities! ' Keep you hand on your halfpenny' as the old song goes! - Pat Murray , Warrington, 18/7/2013 10:47==================== The crime of 'dipping' ( stealing mainly women's purses from bags by distraction) was negligible in my city. Now the crime rate has increased many many fold and the description of the suspects are Romanians. When caught by police they suddenly lose their ability to speak to English but gets it back at the benefits office.
in the early of 90's , you , occidentals (France, Great Britain, Belgium, Germany) , you said that gypsies are treated badly, you said Romanians are so racist, ....., conclusion: Romanians were stupid because they could not integrate them Gypsies ok then, you , Westerners, will have the honor of trying to integrate them this kind of people will not ever work,.., they don't like this
We had a similar experience on the underground train in Barcelona. And YES!! They were Roma.. a bunch of men stood at the door of the train, telling my husband to hurry as the train was going to pull off. They all jostled him at the door. He luckily put his hand down near his pocket and found a little hand there, with his wallet already pulled half-way out. He reacted very quickly, and the entire gang leapt off the train. To lose this would have been disastrous; not only some cash, but all our credit cards, ID cards, Health Insurance Cards.... the whole 9 yards. He still wakes up shouting and has nightmares over this.
SCUM
After living in Eastern Europe for some years - I know how Roma were persected - even banned from shopping centres. All they really need is a big hug. Hug a gypsey today! - PHILIMON , PIGGS PEAK, Swaziland, 18/7/2013 10:21 And get your wallet or purse stolen.
Scum of the earth.
Be careful in Barcelona tube, there are many gangs of pickpockets from Romania. In Spain if the amount is below 300 euros (or they are beloww 18 years old) is not a crime and judges can not jail them. A tip, if they stolen you, you must say that was over 300 euros.
Yep, only and all Eastern Europeans are criminal. Us Western Europeans are perfect...
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ROMANIANS __THEY ARE ROMA A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE BOTH CULTURALLY AND RACIALLY!!!
i am so sick of this asociation of gypsies with the romanians....if France makes a gypsy citizen and than he goes in uk and commiting crimes...this means french people are bad? gypsies rob occident and comes in my permisive country and lives in castles with your money, creating us them image...and we are acused of discrimination. now, tell me , who is discriminated, who's rights are restricted? why nobody want Romania in Europe? because the politic is coward and could not be restricted as your bold countries. and gypsies are good for votes. they vote for who pays. i got use to them.... fast, because they multiply very quicly....Roma-gypsy not Romania....Romania is just the open door to Europe.
Can't wait to get my ballot paper into the UKIP box ! Our only hope to rid the UK of this scum once and for all.
IT IS WONDERFUL HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE IN PROGRESS I WAS IN A MARKET LAST YEAR AND WHATCHED THEM THE OLD LADY HAD A VERY LONG SKIRT A CHILD ABOUT 12YEARS RAN ALL ALONG THE STALLS LIKE A TORNADO SCOUPING UP ANY THING AND EVERY THING HE COULD LAY HIS HANDS ON THROWING IT INTO THE OLD LADIES SKIRT SO QUICK SO WELL PLANNED EVEN THE STOOL HOLDERS WHERE NOT AWARE OF IT TILL IT WAS TOO LATE SO YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED THEY ARE SKILLED WORKERS (BUT NOT FOR THE RIGHT REASON) any way this will keep all the police busy and going to cost this government A LOTTA LOTTA VOTES.
I quite like the Romanians
Not could, they WILL be heading to the UK.
THEIVING LITTLE SCUM BAGS,PEOPLES HARD EARNED MONEY, GET BACK TO WERE YOU CAME FROM AND LEAVE US DECENT PEOPLE ALONE.OH AND GET A JOB.
I've come across begging gangs of Romanians in the past in London when only small numbers were involved. The men would send out their women with their babies to pester and annoy people until they gave them money to go away. I remember one pair of women with their babies were removed from a train by police. The pair turned out to have a list of outstanding petty crimes against their names as long as your arm including shop lifting but because of the babies, the authorities weren't dealing with them properly, as on that occasion as the police officers were instructed to let them go as it was a waste of time prosecuting them!
Why are we allowing scum like this to come to our shores??? We must harden up and start deporting immediately our laws are broken, its the only thing that will stop them or encourage them to go elsewhere. Our green and pleasant land is almost unrecognisable due to Labour's immigration practices!
And we have government advisors telling us we need millions ,ore immigrants. Looks like if they let these in the crime industry will certainly be on th up again. Of course there's nothing we can do to stop them, because LibLabCon have signed all our rights to control of our borders and deportation away to the EU. It's to be hoped that UKIP can do something to reverse this after 7 May 2015 ( our EU referendum day). Meanwhile, if you voted for any LibLabCon representative, you should not complain about the short shrift you get from the EU.
It's the same in Italy and Spain,there are so many of them . Italian cities are full of them and police try their best but what can they do? People don't trust them , they are used to live like that,not a nice sight ,nothing new in these pictures .
They're over here in Stockholm already along with the hundreds of street beggars.
Let's go to Romania, must be paradise now that the Roma are elsewhere!
A small part of the redistribution of peoples within the EU area; the redistribution of money within the EU Countries; the reduction of EU Countries' economies to same level; then, EU Policy Makers have total government and financial control.
Flying Englishman: That's exactly the point! We have enough criminals of our own, without importing them from eastern europe! As casey says they are already here in London and other cities committing crimes, but it's going to get a lot worse from next year when they will have full, unrestricted access to the British welfare state! You aint seen nothin yet!
Take a poo in your wallet and walk around Paris.....
Time for Brussels to introduce a common policy for all countries to adopt to eradicate these problems (if this requires changes in law .. so be it) It should not be that Eurocrats are inviting others to 'join the Club' in their haste to create a United States of Europe. The disastrous decision to open the 'back door' to former East European Countries was taken too easily without due and careful consideration to the impact - some countries have fared well, some should not have even been considered.
Government does not care, does not effect them. Only thing we can do is protest, but we are not the majority now.
what do you mean they could come here, they already are
Oh the delights of eu membership!Thank you,oh great tone for dumping us into this sewer without bothering to ask!
rich pickings, little deterrent and a life that pays more than for example a school teacher back in Romania , you need to see the conditions that these people live in under their own Government, and a place that they will never return to unless deported, the wests social care and health care is enough to draw these people, and of course a life of crime that pays, or a job that is a bonus...welcome to the land of milk and honey, anything! is better than where these people come from., then there are the others who are serious job seeking economic migrants through no fault of their own from Portugal , Spain, etc plus the rest of the third world illegals trying to get in to Britain . As for the EU countries who are now kicking doors down, will only serve to shift these people into our back yard...say no more.
I can just see it now, as soon as they arrive in this country they will do the same, and then all the do gooders will howl raceist when the rest of us complain!- Silent Majority, Reigate Surrey, - - - yes - -until - hopefully - -they get targeted themselves - -might bring a few to reality.
You come across these people in many countries; they do not have a national territory or their own government. Legends describe their arrival from Egypt, but these are only fairy tales. people in the west associate their origin with Eastern Europe, like Hungary and Romania. That's false, even if indeed large gypsy populations are to be found there (in Bulgaria they represent 15 % of the population, 10 % in Hungary and 7 % in Romania). Gypsies (or Romani, as they call themselves, the Gypsy word for "men") originated in northern India 1,000 years ago!!!
time to start making sure there is a zip on every pocket with valubles in. shouldnt have to but nothings going to be done. Protect yourself, you can feel and hear good zips being undone. Use them!
Heading this way? I hate to be the one to break the news to everyone - BIT THEY ARE ALREADY HERE!!!
For many years Romanians were accused by the outsiders of discriminating the gypsies and being racists towards them. Romania had many integration programs for gypsies, who btw even have more rights than the Romanians (so who's discriminated?), but the vast majority of gyspsies simply refuse to give up their old way of life, they refuse to integrate. And because of them the imagine of Romania in Europe, especially, suffers a lot. Now you can see what it's like living with such communities ...
Vote UKIP if you don't want UK to suffer anymore influx.
I'm sorry for the Romanians reacting here that it's just the Roma: I've seen youtube vids of pickpocketing gangs in Amsterdam: plain, ordinary, young Romanian couples. Not just gypsies. I'm afraid this problem is here to stay thanks to the border- and boundless EU.
Urgent intervention is needed by the EU to stop 'open borders'. A new act must be passed with some urgency to prevent this scum traveling throughout Europe. Criminal gangs must be deported, children cannot be exempt from the law. Not a single person commiting these acts has any human rights, anyone breaking the law looses their right to'human rights'
We now live in Hungary (UK ex pat), I am a couple of kilometers from the M7 motorway which connects Bulgaria and Romania to the western Europe. Come January this motorway will be full of migrants heading YOUR way. So the solution is...emigrate to Eastern Europe, we did and we love it !!!. We must all remember if we can move all over Europe so can they, tis only fair.
Talking to a lawyer friend recently, he told me that a contact in "dipping squad" over in Westminster recently observed a Romanian man get off a coach at Victoria Coach Station, walk across the street and immediately start trying to pickpocket someone! The UK is finished come January 1 2014!!!
All this trash will come HERE because THEY KNOW that Cameron and OUR Police are a PUSH over That is including the LAW and the COURTS and the JUDGES This must be the SOFTEST Country in the world .---We have NOT got a Government that CARES about its People ONE BIT I bet IF it was one of the Government that got their Pocket PICKED there would ALL Hell let loose to catch the culprit .------- Even MORE so IF it was Cameron BUT HE has guards all round HIM so why should HE care about others
Its fine! Just come and claim our benefits and we'll even give you a free house and offer a good education for your children until they are 21 too! All pai for by the hard working people of Britain!
But this is in France and not UK? Many things "could" happen here DM. It "could" rain next week!- Motor man, Detroit City, 18/7/2013 6:52>>>>>>>>>>>>It is already happening in the UK!!!!!!!! Why is it the comments here from non European countries cannot see the problem...easy when it does not affect you , isn't it? Maybe your countries should offer them all a home?
I took my boyfriend on a supposedly 'romantic' trip to Paris. Obviously the Eiffel Tower was one of our stops. I was shocked when I saw dozens of Roma gypsies with clipboards at the base of the tower asking for money and people's personal details. When I saw an old Roma woman approaching an innocent boy of about 12 asking him for money, I HAD to intervene! I told the boy not to give her money and advised him not to talk to her, I told her to ****** off! The dirty looks I got from her and her gang! Don't be afraid to confront these people! As soon as you do they scurry off!
The gouvernments are throwing the borders open. It's an open invitation for scum like that! They are also in the Netherlans, in Rotterdam, Amsterdam, The Hague etc. We have politicians to blame for this.
yes ernie - the country is a big joke - -but we are about to stop laughing - -this lot -as you say - will be given everything -and will never go back - can you imagine when they start going into our hospitals to visit their relatives who have had an operation courtesy of the "nice british taxpayer" - -and in a few years of false benefits claims etc - the govt will say - -lessons have been learned - - and will do nothing - -why cant they see what the rest of us can - -because they don't want to -as they wont be affected.
I went to Paris a couple of weeks ago around the Eiffel Tower were swathes of foreign men were loitering. They definitely weren't French more Eastern European and the attention myself, my friend and our daughters were on the receiving end of was bordering on sexual assault. It was absolute dreadful and have no plans to go back, likewise a couple of years ago was in Barcelona and the robberies/pick pocketing and unwanted attention from gangs of males was rife and again they weren't Spanish.
They could be heading for the UK? DM wake up they are already here, pickpockets and scroungers everywhere in London. When the floodgates open in 2014 it will be hell on earth. But will the idiots in Westminster do anything, No of course not it does not affect them. And of course now they are all on holiday and the only item that will occupy their minds is HOW do I reclaim the cost of my holiday on expenses !
I'm ready and waiting for 2014, I'm having security on my house improved, will be on my guard constantly. No longer will I be willing to help strangers. Call me cynical but this is the way law abiding people are made to feel. God help us all what a sad sad country we are becoming.
They are here a while now! Trying to pass them on the street is not easy..Seriously they are soo lazy they wouldn't walk out of your way...Plus governments all over , have Eyes wide closed and , mouths and hands wide open....
Here in Spain we used to have groups of Romas begging, pickpocketing and using babies as a begging tool. They are now gone. Why? because in Spain unless you have/do contribute in taxes you will get nothing. Also the Poliicia Local had been quite vigorous in moving them on. Perhaps Northern Europe should note this.
I feel the need to participate in these comments. I am Romanian. The people you claim to be Romanian, are not. They are called Rromi. Although they actually come from my country , that doesn't give anybody the right to call them as such, and bringing a cloud of shame over my people. I guess every country has it's gyspsies, bad or good people...I don't think is fair I should be discriminated at some point just for the fact of being Romanian. Because of this trash people called, and I repeat Rromi. Thank you! - didi , Rome, Italy, 18/7/2013 10:15 .................................................................... And "I" repeat ..... From YOUR Country **** So they ARE Romanian ? are they not ?? Whatever, we don't want them or their like here in UK ************
"rehouse the Roma and integrate them into society.." Never going to happen. They are lazy and don't even want to go to school.
I have seen them in Paris near the musée de orange working in a gang of 15 to 40 at the same time they tried to dupe my twelve your old to sign a "Petition" while one of them tried to snatch her Camera. I had to take an aggressive approach to disperse them. this is one type of scam apprach that is very disturbing.
I don't want this for my country. Why aren't the government listening?
Well that's crossed Paris off my tourist map to visit ! Who wants to visit a City where you are accosted and robbed by these filth, I thought France needed the tourism, apparently not. Perhaps when their tourist industry is decimated after these stories in the press get around they will send in their police to sort the problem out
The EU cannot survive whilst it has Romania as a member. It probably won't survive even if it kicks Romania out, but for the sake of the wellbeing of UK, French, German etc citizens it HAS to throw Romania out. All the Roma must be returned there and deported if they try to enter other European countries. The Roma are Romania's problem, not anybody else's.
Anyone who has been to London lately will know that they are already here in droves.
How come the French can easily deport 13000 immigrants for just "petty" theft and we can't deport terrorists? I've seen this first hand in Paris where they were targeting people around the Eifel Tower, and the much more competant French police turned up armed and dispersed the Gypsies and arrest some, what will happen in the UK? a PCSO and politely fine them? so they pay with stolen cash? How come we are lead to believe we are the better country yet everyone else has better police forces and aren't held up by silly EU laws and just carry out their own national interests unrepentant?
Wherever Rumanians go, trouble follows! - Vivien , Mulhouse, 18/7/2013 10:21............Please, don't confuse "Romanians" with "Roma" or what people used to call "Gypsies".
The government should be printing off extra benefit application forms and shipping them over ahead of next year, at least this create some extra jobs and help boost the economy then again they would more than likely outsource the work to Turkey...
They are lined up in the streets of London! Already here and operating...That is why I never stop for their women or children begging on the streets. You become a target as soon as you take notice. I just put my hand up to say NO! NO! NO! and walk as fast as i can clutching my bag. And if someone is standing too close at the cash machine. block them Off..or ask them to move way back. Be very aware. If you feel threatened walk away and do not get any cash..do not use it at all! i always play the forget my pin or forgot my card trick when i feel as if someone is standing too close and i do not want to ask them to move because I'm not sure how they will reach. Other opportunities will come up where I can use a machine safely. Disgusting people!!!!
We're far too busy to stop and help strangers out on the street. Too unfriendly to let anyone anywhere near our personal space. Too suspicious of the youths to even want to be around children. add a FOREIGNER in to the mix?! Jeez please. I think they'll have to up their game when it comes to us Brits. Being miserable so and sos is at last paying off! (not having a pop - am all of the above)
And still the cowards who are in our government, whichever on as they are all the same spineless windbags, will not do a thing to protect our way of life
We have always grown our own pick pockets! All major cities in the world , including London, have loads of them, and always have. Read Oliver Twist, and bring joy to Mr. Gove', as a biproduct. I have learned during my eighty years, not to put valuables in pockets, bags, purses etc, but in a money bag which can not be got at quickly. If everybody did that pick pockets would go out of business. Oh, by the way, pick pockets are of all nationalities! ' Keep you hand on your halfpenny' as the old song goes!
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 POST UP YOUR ADDRESS ALEX, WE'LL ARRANGE FOR A FEW HUNDERED OF THEM TO COME AND LIVE IN YOUR TOWN, YOU CAN KEEP US UPDATED ON HOW YOUR GETTING ON.
The difference being France have the police to cope with them unlike us. Its no wonder Russia was happy to see the back of this lot.
The Romanian government must be laughing their heads off.
I never carry a normal handbag, always a secure cross body bag with a wide strap which I keep in front of me, never to the side. I saw a programme about Roma pickpockets in London and the police were warning people who kept their messenger type bags at their hip, because their have been cases of Roma managing to steal iPads and tablets. I even use this type of bag in my own town centre because it is full of robbing addicts, never mind Roma Big Issue sellers and squeezebox players.
They are in the UK already , Stealing credit cards and pincodes ... Having babies so they could beg with the babies
What a wonderful addition to our country they will make, thanks to Lib/Lab/Tory governments. As a democratic country when will our cries for "enough is enough" be heard. There is only one answer to this madness, vote UKIP.
It's hardly news. There are dedicated teams of police in London who spend all day, every day, tackling E European pickpocket gangs. If there is a shortage of police tackling it in Paris, it might explain why there are more there.
'Eastern European gangs brazenly targeting victims in broad daylight on Paris streets (and they could be heading for the UK)....' They 'could' be heading here: this is breaking news? Ah, it could be so for our politicians; especially Labour and the LibDems whose constant refrain is about the diversity and benefits migrants bring with them; on the other hand it isn't so much what they bring but what they 'take'? Sleepwalking just about covers it; and nothing will be done until these gangs inadvertently target our political masters and the metro-elite.
Why on earth did the EU want them to join in the first place?
They're already here doing this very thing. You must know this DM.
these people are not poor they are criminals with a bad core. Poverty does not make people bad. These people are reared to be this manipulating and deceitful it is in their culture. This is also not about race, it is about attitude however, I am sure when they hit the streets of the UK, they will be able to manipulate our laws in their favour and exercise their human rights at the expense of every other citizen. I remember watching Oliver Twist years ago and my father said, 'don't think that won't happen in the streets of Britain again one day, history repeats itself'. How rue!!!
The scum is already here and our useless government will be unable to stop the flow in the new year because it must obey the directives of their EU dictators, this is the reason we must take control of decisions made in our country and the only was to achieve that is to leave the corrupt Black hple!L
gawd help us when we open up ,to let these people?in, , we already seen in Hyde park, what it will be like,If they are coming to work fair enough, but as we have seen in, Germany,Italy,France not going to happen
And our government are happily letting in another million or something of them in the next few years.........can't wait O_O.
My moms phone was stolen in a restaurant in Paris on her first day there. Two girls saw the phone ran inside stole it along with the soy sauce bottle ( apparently used for distraction) and ran outside. The police to my mom that they are probably east European girls. She saw lots of tourists there with similar complaints.
Blame the EU and its enforced multicult. All European cities are suffering because of the determination of Brussels to homogenise their unwilling citizens and end the nation-state.
More xenophobic nonsense. Pickpockets existed long before these terrifying gangs! Easiest way to avoid being a victim? Secure your belongings! Just like it always has been, and will be long after these roving barbarians are done pillaging!
Romanians are some of the nciest people you will meet, I welcome them to Britain for a better life. 1 or 2 rebels here do not represent the 100,000 we are getting. - Mr Osbourne , Gods Country, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 09:12 Which planet do you live on Mr Osbourne of Gods Country? We will see what you have to say when you get burgled, mugged or robbed at knife point. One things for sure if the government don't tackle this problem head on then membership of UKIP will soar and who can blame people. We live in a United Kingdom but a United Europe is so out of balance with our society that it will NEVER work, this will start a steady spiral into right wing politics. Any way if we can't throw them out they can all go and live with Mr Osbourne!
Use a spring loaded mousetrap in each pocket and your handbag should help deter this.
Reading the comments ... the ones the DM are actually allowing...it seems that this is a common problem all over Europe as people have stated here. Is anyone else asking themselves "Why" ? And why are the EU doing absolutely nothing to deter it? Maybe I am paranoid but I feel this is being encouraged to cause social unrest, why isn't this problem being classed as an urgent priority collectively with other EU countries?
Surely the time has come for banks to re-design Cash Points!!
Watch out en route from Gare de l'Est to Gare de Nord in Paris...these pickpocketers are always waiting with their clipboards!!! It nearly happened to myself, I tried to keep on walking with all my bags but they kept pulling them from me, standing in my way, pulling my arms. It got to the point where I had to scream in French to tell them to **** off, especially towards the little boy who kept putting his hands in my coat pockets.
Our police need to be pro active and prepare NOW for what is coming - all too often they are REACTIVE - even the highly paid top cops. One suggestion - When you catch a minor for pick pocketing - DO NOT RELEASE within the hour for them only to continue offending. Instead; release them late evening ; in the dark - in ANOTHER town. A bit of fear will go a long way.
BUT Labour say we need another 7 million of these scroungers and pickpockets to pay for our elderly !!! What for? What a joke this country has become ! For goodness sake vote UKIP and shut the bluddy borders. London is already swamped with them and 93% of cash machine fraud is down to Eastern Europeans the police tell us.
Wait until they come here and our dopey leftist brigade welcome them unless they camp near their homes. Blair has so much to answer for, this once green and pleasant land is sinking in its own vomit.
last time I was in Paris the scam was to pick up a 'gold' ring and hand it to you, when I refused it the woman was quite aggressive asking for money. I said no firmly and walked on but I did see some people being accosted. There used to be a man who was on the tram in Manchester pretending to be canadian and had his wallet stolen he was 'collecting' for a coach fare to heathrow, he got quite aggressive when I outed him and told people not to give him money. The tram police had known about him for some time but clearly he wasn't as high a priority for them as catching ticket dodgers!
It´s also like that in Italy a bunch of these disgusting people! Throw them out of your country!
And what's our cherished leader doing about it? Sweet ***all.
Misskay Whitby, 9.12 The only way our pro EU Government can stop these people entering the UK is by getting us out of the EU. All those from EU countries, including the poor EU ones, have free right of entry into UK, and there is not a thing we can do about it unless we leave the blood sucking power and money grabbing EU Dictatorship. UKIP is the only viable Party willing to do that, thus closing our borders, so it will be no use complaining to LIB/LAB/CON because they have NO INTENTION of getting us out, not even the lying Cameron with his promises of an EU Referendum in some far distant future, which by then would have let in God knows how many more anyway. UKIP IS THE WAY TO GO.
IF YOU DONT VOTE UKIP DONT MOAN
'Brazenly targeting victims'? Hardly. If you hadn't ringed him in the photo I'd have had no idea. I also brazenly go around town flashing but stay fully clothed.
Gonna be fun for everyone in London next year (and our other big cities)..... meanwhile, back in Westminster our government sit on their ***** and do b*gger all, as per usual.
A round of applause for our politicians.
What a devastatingly successful social experiment the EU multicultural policy has now proved itself to be in city after city throughout Europe, all truly powder kegs of racial and cultural disharmony. Paris today, Stockholm yesterday, London tomorrow - who knows where next. Such far-sighted and proud leadership should be exiled to a place of brimstone and fire¿.wait¿.. that¿s where they are bound eventually anyway, so be patient fellow citizens.
There are criminals all over the world in every colour and nationality, but if these criminals are known to be heading to our country DON'T let them in, it's simple. I mean you wouldn't invite a known burglar into your home show them where all the silver was and then leave them to it would you. Close the borders this country is a pot of gold for all except the people who were born here.
I live in central Paris and can confirm this is completely out of hand. I get approached by the "petitions" daily -they pretend to be dumb and deaf and signal you to sign their phoney charity petition. I am constantly telling tourists not to sign. Last week a girl thumped me in the chest when I warned tourists. The tourists who stop and give money are encouring them to continue and I think the city of Paris needs to embark on a massive education and warning campaign. It used to be that they would get you to sign then plead for money. But now they surround you and pick your pocket. They're getting more and more brazen and aggressive. Three friends of mine have been mugged at cash point machines. When the police chase them they run shrieking with laughter as you see in the picture above. This is so bad, it's frightening. I fear it's just going to get worse and worse and more and more aggressive.
Blairs legacy.
"while walking on the street by 2 Roman guys" Roman?! Roman, Romanian, Roma are different things.
Be wary when you go from Gare de l'Est to Gare de Nord, the pickpocketers are always waiting along the route with their clipboards. It nearly had my phone stolen but I felt the boys had in my pocket.
@ W. George and Sabah; I know we do not live in an ideal world, but blaming people for not taping their wallet and phone to their body and thus asking for it to be stolen is the world upside down isn't it? They should just keep their hands of other people
What do you mean, "They could be coming here?" Of course they are coming here. Many are already here. Rich pickings to be had in London. Already, our biggest city is the street crime capitol of the world. A once proud city reduced to a multi-cultural hell-hole no right minded person would voluntarily set foot in. Our leaders have permitted the place to be over-run by the gutter sweepings of the third world and the feral criminality that characterises vast swathes of Eastern Europe. Thank-you Mr Blair. Thank-you Mr Cameron and thank - you EU. I can't tell you how 'enriched' I feel.
They are already here - look at hyde park any evening or park lane
My recent trip to Paris was ruined by this people - they are everywhere, on the tube, in the museums, on the streets, waiting outside shops and restaurants - it beggars belief why police and army cannot be allowed to round them up and put them on guarded buses across Europe and back to where they come from. Planes would be dangerous with them on - these are out of control people and it cannot be understood why they are allowed to intimidate. The children hunt in gangs on the Paris Metro and are very aggressive.
Women or not I'd give them a hefty clip round the ear if I caught them with their thieving little mitts in my pockets
What do you mean - they could be heading here??? We have already got them and allowing more in!!!!!!!!!! How stupid are we???
Of course, the UK is 'pickpocket' free. Damn those nasty aliens.
I was at the Gard de Nord train station waiting for the Metro with a backpack. I looked behind me and a bloke had his hand in my bag. I said in more choice words; what are you doing? He just did the Gaelic shrug and stood there, didn't even move. He didn't take anything, but the bareface of it. Pickpockets aren't just Roma Gypsies. But is it clearly an issue.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, - - - - - -are you being sarcastic? - - if not I assume you have never come across any of these people - -or do you think the story and photos are made up - -wish I could move them all to your street - -and then wait for your more informed reply.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist- alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 The evidence is quite clear to see. And it's all very well you mouthing off over in Canada, you don't experience these people unlike the rest of western Europe
French police do their best, but we can't do anything with these people. Only the European Government can do this !
Yes, Paris has become very unpleasant because of this plague. They literally surround you and pester for money or to engage you in their scams. Good to see that the French government is deporting them home en masse, however. The same won't happen here. The bleeding hearts will ensure they get accommodation, state handouts and sympathy.
Hello! I am from Romania. Please, do not confuse Romanian peoples with Roma peoples. We, Romanians, are scared in our country by those gipsy's and we make all possible to put them in jail. Those gipsy's are like a cancer for our country and I repet: dont confuse Roma people with Romanian people. We are not like that! Thank you, Eric
Could always revert back to the original 15 trading partners; but then the eastern countries might gravitate to Russia giving our leaders the opportunity to create more reductions on freedom under the guise of a cold war; then we will spends billions on nuclear weapons again; which may be used against us when Marie antioneduncan smith says let them eat cake. - fedupgeordie, Newcastle, 18/7/2013 0:56= ah yes , mr social , how about this ...we STILL spend MILLION (not billions) on a deterant , as if you read any news paper you would see , we havent used them yet , we didnt use them all the way up to the fall of the wall in 1991 , so 50 or so years without using them , IF you travel to former communist states there is a growing movement for a return to the old days , because they knew where they were , they see what happens , rapists murderers drugs etc ruining their youth ....so whats your scaremongering point ? russia has missles pointed at us still !!
I went to Paris 25 years ago with my school and we watched pickpockets then, outside the pompidou center, I think this article definitely resides on the inflammatory!
Walking through Bologna. Group of Roma block the path ahead of us. Suddenly one of the women thrusts her hand into my husbands pocket and claimed in horror when she realised his hand was there "I'm so sorry it was an accident". ???How???? Looking from the hotel room to the train station (Bologna) we saw a Mercedes pull up. 2 men and 2 women with babies got out. They opened the boot of their car and tipped out a weeks worth of rubbish: pizza boxes etc onto the street. The women then changed their clothes from smart to the uniform of the Roma and sauntered to the station to harass people. Train from Palma to Bologna, a pregnant Roma woman begging for money, crying and holding her belly. She gets money and moves down the train. 10 mins later she's back, laughing, eating biscuits and with a man in tow. They then argue and he hits her all the way through the carriage, spilling money. No one dare do anything in case he had a knife. Italian cities are rife with the Roma and their culture!!
They are in a street where I live in South East London. This week I caught 3 of them climbing the fence to our communal garden, taking the fruit from a cherry tree, but then inside the garden, so I got my camera and starting filming. They scarpered! Stand up for yourselves people.
Seen this happening in Paris, beware in UK, as it is happening already and will get worse when the doors are open next year.and let in the worse of the worst
It is so sad to see beautiful Paris being raped by these thugs. I lived in Paris for many years the roma have become a social pest no one wants. If we do not want the same blatant robbery on our streets now is the time to act and stop any more of them at the borders before its to late.
Me Osbourne -- this is a very naive thing to say how can you justify wanting 100,000 more people in this county when we can't even look after are own and we are in trouble economically anyway? Just because they are nice people doesn't mean we should just let them all in! Grow up Romanians are some of the nciest people you will meet, I welcome them to Britain for a better life. 1 or 2 rebels here do not represent the 100,000 we are getting. - Mr Osbourne, Gods Country, United Kingdom, 18/07/2013 08:12
They get ready for the 01/01/2014, Referendum is the only way but not in 2017 but Now
Only UKIP put our people first.!
Beware of another scam by these extremely well trained children. While you are buying a ticket at a machine in a station a child (10 or 12 year old or younger) will run up and press the Cancel operation button. Your note comes out and is snatched, or if it falls to the floor the child puts his/her foot on it and rfuses to move.. Split second timing. Fantastically skillful.
it's not as if these lies about immigrants are anything new. Look at the classic Charles Dickens character of Fagin. It's so much easier to distrust strangers and those that are different. Sad really.
I feel the need to intervent here. I am Romanian. The people you talk about in this article, are not, They are called Rromi. Athought they come from my country, it doesn't seem right to me to call them Romanians, as they're not! I don't think is fair, that I should feel, or be discriminated just because these people do what they do, and I repeat they are not Romanian! it's not right this trash people can bring a cloud of shame over my nationality. These do not deserve a proper treatment; they shloud be kicked out of France, England wherever they go, because all they do is stealing! This is their source of living. And that's it. I just can''t stand seeing how Romania is always dragged through the mudd, because of these Rromi.
LEAVE EU NOW!
It is about time that WE closed Britain's magical wardrobe portal. I am sure the residents of Narnia wouldn't stand for this!!! But as always, we will thanks to the EU. UKIP were the only party that voted against Romanian and Bulgarian accession to the EU. They knew what was coming!!!! Look out Britain.
And it won't be long before the accusations of racism start, which of course will be upheld in their favour, and they get huge compensation payouts So for the record-- I will never like, trust or tolerate thieves, intimidating gangs that prey on the unsuspecting innocents or those that lie, cheat or abuse a system for their own gain- irrespective of their nationality. However, I will find it all the more galling and take it a whole heap more personally if any person comes to our country as a guest, with the sole intention of committing such crimes. Also goes for those arriving here, with no intention of working or contributing, just here to free load our welfare, education and NHS systems and bleed it dry. Politics and who's to blame for this situation aside, behaviour like that from anyone, especially a guest, is selfish, despicable and morally wrong, whatever nationality they are
We should never forget that this is all the fault of Tony Blair and Labour.
Im off to paris end of august! so thanks for this article. I never knew it was that bad! going to be very careful. and there coming here next year OMG!!!
The worlds gonna end! oh no! we gona get taken over!!! - PANIC!
Take note Cameron! if you let more of these undesirables in you will lose the next election!!
I've got news for the DM - they're already here! I advise anyone planning a trip to Oxford Street to hang onto their bags and wallets.
They are not coming - THEY ARE ALREADY HERE AND HAVE BEEN FOR SOME TIME. About 4 years ago my 80 year old Mother withdrew £800.00 from inside a Bank, not from a cashpoint. They were watching her in the bank. Two Eastern European women followed her to the Library and then robbed her there. She never suspected a thing and only noticed when she searched for her library card and found the cash gone. I know she should not have taken all that money from her bank but a lot of her generation still want the cash in their hands. She never got over it and has never gone into town since. I HAVE WORDS TO DESCRIBE THESE PEOPLE BUT I KNOW YOU WOULD NOT PRINT THEM!!
At least the French government quickly take steps to rectify their mistakes once they realise they've made them (e.g. the significant increase in deportation of the offending people). If this were our government they'd spend the next decade dithering and pussy-footing around, commissioning multiple costly inquiries to make sure that there really was a problem, then to establish the scale of the problem, then to determine how to deal with the problem without infringing on anyone's precious "human rights".
Cant be many criminals left in Romania now
I can just see it now, as soon as they arrive in this country they will do the same, and then all the do gooders will howl raceist when the rest of us complain!
These people have a massive headstart against us - see how young they are to begin with - and will run rings round our law enforcement agencies and judiciary - and enjoy every minute of getting away with their crimes as we can see from the photos. And there is nothing - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - we can do about it
Our Politicians will see these as highly valuable people, just what we need. Surprising the Government doesnt think its worthwhile checking criminal records, or only letting needed trades in. The Country is finished, a vote for UKIP will slow the demise. Good luck everybody.
My boyfriend and I were in Paris last weekend and I felt so uncomfortable any time we were around a big tourist attraction. The Sacre Coeur at Montmartre was the worst and I believe this is where the first picture was taken. The area was inundated with people with clipboards, men trying to "give you bracelets" and it felt like a hostile environment. We witnessed a whole gang of people with clipboards being chased by the Police and some soldiers. They caught all of them but this just doesn't seem to put them off. Personally if a 3 armed soldiers and an armed policeman were running after me I would be bricking it. But these girls were laughing. I have travelled a lot. And on my own too. I can safely say that Paris was the city in which I felt most uncomfortable. I do hope that this is not how tourists feel when they visit our cities.
They are in Sweden as well. Begging and stealing and the police says it is not a case they have given priority to !!?? It is so obvious that the beggers are involved in a bigger proffesional criminal group. I saw with my own eyes how a man was leaning against a crutch and shaking his all body with a cup in his hand. 20 min. later I saw the same man leaning agianst a warehouse taking a brake and was smoking with no crutch and no shaking. 2 weeks later I saw the same man in a another town 30 swedish miles from the place I saw him first! For beeing that poor so he has to beg he has no problem to travel between cities. And now in summer time the "roadpirates" is back. Stopping cars saying their car broke down and the need some money so they can go on. They also try to sell fake gold and in worst senario they rob you.It is time for the police and goverment to take care of this growing problem.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013....People who think like you are the reason the worlds in a mess, a crook is a crook, is a crook, end of !
I know Eastern European gangs exist, but from pictures how do we know where these guys are from - seems a little racist to me? they could be Parisian ...
please let the woman at the ATM be a bleeding heart human rights parasitical lawyer......
They will be over here soon and its going to get bad really bad.
After living in Eastern Europe for some years - I know how Roma were persected - even banned from shopping centres. All they really need is a big hug. Hug a gypsey today!
Wherever Rumanians go, trouble follows!
Stop labeling countries due to one specific type of people: gypsies! We have them here also (in Romania or Bulgaria) and we're facing same problems and when we tried to do something against them we were blamed for racism, aggression, human rights breaking etc - so pls,if you'll figure a way to educate/deal with them, let us know how. Until then, stop naming them Romanians or Bulgarians just due the fact they have documents from these countries - they were, are and will always be nomads and they do everything to survive BUT not working!
will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 09:13 Great, we can send them all to Vancouver and they can join the hordes of beggars on Main & Hastings.
Got to Paris, walk round and take it all in as that is what London will look like in 5-10 years time
For God's sake Cameron do something about this now, otherwise the good British people who are so fed up of your inaction on this matter will do something themselves and I don't imagine it will be pleasant. - UK Taxpayer, Suffolk, 18/7/2013 8:01 - Do what exactly? Theirs nothing you can do, the borders are open for all EU members and that's never going to change. By the way, criminals don't just live abroad you know!
"President Francois Hollande¿s Socialist government came to power a year ago promising to rehouse the Roma and integrate them into society" ..........I lived in Slovakia until my mid teens and saw what they've done to their council houses, you'd be horrified. The truth is that 95% of Roma gypsies CANNOT be integrated into normal society! It's like they are a different species, with different values, outlook and I think their tendency to inbreed has a lot to answer for too.
I took the wife and kids to Disneyland Paris just before xmas, and was shocked at the intense security measures in place upon entrance to the park, bags were scanned, metal detectors, armed police, I wouldn't want this rabble coming to our country, but at the the same time wouldn't want UKIP running our country either, the two big political parties need to "man up" against Europe and there human rights policies and simply send then back home, a £50 plane ticket is chicken feed in the grand scheme of things, the government whoever in power needs just needs to have the balls to see it through and tell Brussels to go swivel on it!!!
VOTE UKIP
They are in London.i saw a gang operate in Holborn yesterday.....zero police.......
ah why not let them in to uk as Always ,,they can get dole money also here and a nice house and us taxpayers will foot the bills ,,its no problem at all this country is a joke one big joke at that and its only going to get worse.
Flout the EU regulations and ban them...I will happily contribute to the fine!
I was almost a victim, caught a young Romanian lad with his hand in my handbag, all he got was a thump. Didn't bother to inform police, no one does anymore, not worth wasting your time. That is probably why reported crime figures have gone down, none of us bother to report anymore, plus if we say we were robbed by a Romanian we would get arrested for rascism. This country sucks, it only protects the wrong doers. One very fed up taxpayer!!!!!
They are not just in paris, they are everywhere!!!!!
We've got no chance.....an immigration department not fit for purpose....police only interested in catching motorists and taking the easy jobs......judges who favour the criminals rather than the victims.....We should just catch them no questions on Human Rights etc and pack them off.....My friend works in London bus station and he said they are coming in by coach unchecked and cheap and easy way to get in..............they know it so why aren't we doing something to protect our borders..............Send our immigration officers to Australia to see HOW THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR JOB.............I HAD MY RUCKSACK SLIT WITH A KNIFE AND THE SHOCK JUST STOPS YOU STOPPING THEM....it wasn't just the purse and cards but the happening stays with you and you stop trusting anyone.......
Try again¿last year my husband and I were on holiday in Paris, we were walking around the tuilleries when we were approached by a young eastern European woman, as she walked toward us she bent down and picked up a ¿gold¿ wedding band and held it out toward us asking had we dropped it. We immediately realised it was a scam, and told her ¿no, she should keep it, it was her lucky day¿. Not the response I am sure she was hoping for. Within an hour 4 other eastern European looking people did the same thing, dropped a ring then offered it to us, in the hope that we would give them a few Euros for it. We have enough living off the state already we don¿t need any more. I dead to think what our country is going to be like in 20 years¿ time. God help us.
How sad. Britain in Ruins. - RBOUDVILLE, Perth Western Australia, 18/7/2013 4:12 - I'm so fed up of people in Australia criticising the UK. If you read the article, these particular gangs operate in Paris. I'm sure they are already in London too but is there any need to constantly say our country is in ruins??? If Australia is so amazing, stop reading articles about the UK and get on with it over there. Personally I couldn't think of anywhere worse to live than Australia - backward, ignorant people in a country void of culture.
another one they use is get you to help bring a buggy down the stairs while another picks your pocket,my daughter saw this on the metro in paris..
They came, they saw and they took.
Happened to me in Rome about three years ago. Italian Police were convinced it was Romanians, who distracted me, separated me from my husband, boxed me in and took my purse from my little back pack. Why don't European Governments do something about these thieves. They are in all EU countries.
Yes racist-accusers, we know that we have pick-pockets already in this country. So, please explain why we would want more?
These people have been stealing here in Italy for decades now, and nobody can do anything about it. Like the article says, they get released from prison after a few hours. They don't want to integrate into our society. They prefer to steal, get pregnant at 14 and live in camps, even though we give them houses, electricity, water, free everything, money etc. THIS IS NOT FAIR. What do we pay taxes for? And what benefit are these people to our society?
another good reason for Britain to leave the EU; keep the riffraff on the continent
- misskay Please dont have them close the border, I really like having a holiday!
I feel the need to participate in these comments. I am Romanian. The people you claim to be Romanian, are not. They are called Rromi. Although they actually come from my country , that doesn't give anybody the right to call them as such, and bringing a cloud of shame over my people. I guess every country has it's gyspsies, bad or good people...I don't think is fair I should be discriminated at some point just for the fact of being Romanian. Because of this trash people called, and I repeat Rromi. Thank you!
I wonder what would happen if you spotted a pickpocket about to rob you and grabbed or even hit them? Would you be arrested for assault, or are the French police more pragmatic and sensible?
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 09:13 **************** Did you not see the pictures??????
They're already here!!
Alex somewhere in Canada......clue is in the title, you don't live here........you live in a country that describe Native Americans as "drunks","thieves" ,"unreliable as employees""......o.k. If they are located up by Superior on sites selling arts and crafts.....so sort your own lot out. Personally I do not want anyone else here in the U.K. and that includes Canadians ......unless they have work and a place to live guaranteed to them by a "sponsor" and on the understanding they have no guaranteed rights to benefits and welfare until having paid 10 years of contributions.
WELCOME TO THE EUROPEAN UNION
The Vatican used to broadcast a regular message in St. Peter's for tourists to beware of pickpockets. Our guide said that it was because of the Roma. Good look on integrating them.
Here in Spain, Romanians have made Madrid the pick pocket capital of Europe. Elsewhere they run prostitute rings and just set up elsewhere if caught. I saw them doing the shell game yesterday. Some tourists lost money on the game and others had their pockets picked while watching it. They have several minders around. Say anything and they will beat you up. Now it is summer, wherever there are tourists, you will find Romanians preying on them.
Yet the lefty beeding heart liberals continue to want more and more of them here and contstly tell us all just how wonderful their multicultural society is - often from their comfort of their rich north London ghetto champagne socialist milliband-millionaire lifestyles.
CLOSE THE DOORS UK... WERE FULL!!!
"English criminals do this too." - Yes, the point is we have enough to cope with dealing with our own scum. We should not have to deal with other countries scum too!
Be a bit more streetwise! However I do not want to see this filth where I live...end of!
Alex ...somewhere Canada..please forward your address so I can pass these delightful people to you.
Ive lived in Paris for a year now and have been approached a few times by the Romans with their clip boards. The best thing to do is say a firm NO and move on. Im sorry to say but if you do get scammed/pick pocketed you are naive and they probably spotted you a mile away.
Let them all come here, as long as they all stay in London !!
Send them home, if they want a better life, robbery is not the way to do it. A lot of the immigrants who have come here work and live a better life, those that don't want to be part of that should not be allowed to live here.
Send them home if they want to thief let them do it in their own country!!!!
I think this country needs to stand up to this government and the eu, a protest maybe, I have 2 young children and I am petrified about what this country will become! We all moan about it but we need to DO something about it!
The Eu rules on migration are outdated and need reform. Free movement of people was fine when there were just six and possibly twelve but not now. If the EU really cares about itself it needs to change and fast.
Paris is the only city that I have felt threatened in and that was 20 years ago!
If they are not british citizens then instead of being let go to reoofend they should be automatically flown home
Send them to Brussels
Unless you have to because of work, residence or hospital attendance, stay away from large cities. The governments of countries will soon take note as their economies start to spirral out of control because of a lack of consumer spending.
Ah, the EU. It gives every thief the opportunity to leave their dump of a country and move to a better one. It allows every thief the chance, if they are willing to work at it, to exploit people who are not their own. I mean it would not be ethical to steal from your own but foreigners are fair game. Plus foreigners make it so easy to do. They are the Dutch Elm disease on our way of life. They will destroy us from the inside!
Well, there is a positive side, though: the criminality has dropped dramatically in the east. Tank you, EU. :o)
They are already here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romanias is NOT the same tings as Roma. i'm from Romania, Bucharest and i'm studing at 2 of the most important univeristies from here and i have 2 work places. WE ARE NOT THE SAME ! and that people are doing here a lot of damage too ! but 90% of romanians have a work place and they are earing their money corectlly. dont pur us in the same pot ! from millions of people of course that there are some bad ones ! in every country is the same thing, every country from this earth has its own bad people too. just remember all the important people from romania that are wantend all over the world..nadia Comaneci, Hagi, etc...and just remember that we are known all over the world for our good things...Americans want romanians in therir gretest universities... we are not the same ! i saw comments in wich people are saying that it should be built a wall between romania and other countries...WHY? don't you have your own criminals and pic-pockets? YES YOU DO HAVE !
and they could be heading for the UK.........er, too late, they are already here and doing exactly the same. We are powerless as a nation to stop them. We may have stopped the Nazis from coming here in Word War 2, but this lot can come and go as they please, whilst thieving anything and everything that they so desire.
When is this country ever going to wake up? It's simple, all we have to do is adopt the same immigration rules as Australia, N.Z., USA etc. You don't get in this country unless you have: 1. Job 2. Sponsor who will finance you should you lose your job 3. You can speak fluent English 4. Have a clean bill of health 5. Have absolutely no criminal convictions.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 09:13 Alex, you have missed the point these are criminals the fact they are immigrants does not matter. Any one who acts like this is a crook even if they came from Mars.
We should try living in a democracy. Then we could decide to close the borders if we wished! We could decide a lot of other things of well of course.
if ever there was a reason to VOTE UKIP ............
What about the British pick pockets operating in Paris?
Keep the scum out of our country. Vile parasites. It's time we started hitting back at these people and showing them we won't stand for it. They'll soon go back!
Hope you still feel this way when you have been robbed and pickpocketed, Alex! I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 09:13
Theyall need to be deported...we don't want this in the UK...
I was thinking to visit Paris once again, not any more.....
Croatia next and Camoron supports Turkish entry.. Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that he has no intention of allowing the People of this Country their Democratic right to a referendum on EU membership. The anti-democratic Milliband certainly won't give us a referundum unless given permission by Len McCluskey. We know about Clegg's sycophantic allegiance to the Masters of Brussels though with Lib Dem representation in the Commons down to single figures after 2015.he won't have any impact after losing his seat at Sheffield Hallam. There's only one way to save our UK although Farage will be presented with enormous problems since the Bulgarians and Romanians will already be entrenched here. Heads you lose, Tails you lose.
No country in the EU wants the Romanians and Bulgarians. I have several friends in Greece and they have their hands full with illegal Albanian immigrants. They're absolutely dreading the day when it becomes legal for Romanians and Bulgarians to move there. Never mind UK out of the EU, the whole kit and caboodle needs disbanding now.
They are already here DM! And our gov is leaving our doors wide open for them...
"Keep this filth out of our country!!! - missy_29, WREXHAM" ----------- How? The UK is part of the EU and has signed treaties which allow anyone from any EU country to move here and claim benefits. Doesn't matter whether they are pickpockets or paedophiles - all are welcome in the UK thanks to EU legislation. Notice how the government does nothing about it? What's more they never will because the 3 main political parties are EU-worshippers. The only way to keep this filth out of your country is to vote UKIP. Anything else is a half-measure and will not work.
Coming soon to a town near you........(if not already)
Heading for a town near you, courtesy of our spineless and dishonest political class, who are unwilling or incompetent to put a stop to it by standing up to the EUSSR. Hey Dave.....give us our referendum and get us out NOW, or we'll get somebody who will. Don't worry about your nice job with the EU in the future. Worry about keeping the one you've got now.
well at least they have the guts to do it face to face rather than the corps and banks who use much snidier tricks to pick ya pocket. How about taking these children into care?? isn't that how we do things in the west?? families using any children for criminal activity is form of abuse. if these children are on the street and are not in school and are not being cared for appropriately it is surely the responsibility of the host country to act in line with the european child protection acts.there are laws if governments and local authorities don't implement these laws, then we need to take that up with them.
If they wanted to be here they would already be. Also, like there are no British burglars and thiefs? With Romanians it's easier to spot them so you know you need to be careful when they are around.
This is not news, It has been happening in Britain for years
Paris is brilliant but the state of it, I didn't think anywhere could be worse than the hole that is our capital but man, it's horrid. Huge gangs of eastern europeans and africans all moving within the crowds trying to speak to you, isolate you from your group and ALL with the intention of robbing you. These people are bred from an early age to commit crime, they have nothing in their home coutnries and so have nothing to loose when they come to other places. Why on earth we are letting any of them in here is beyond me. Such a shame! We should put a huge wall around Eastern europe and seal them all out!! Even better, put a huge wall around the UK and keep everyone out!!! Red arrow away but its just the truth!!
They'll end up getting a thump off someone sooner or later
Nearly happened to me around the Eiffel Tower.
no wonder the french and german are crying about us trying to stop them coming here because they will not be able to move the problem through the channel i am not saying leave the eu but just say no . or if they do come and commit a crime fast track them ahead of other immigrants because some who are here and are not troublemakers but illegal would be better to allow them to stay a little longer and kick out those that are causing chaos , the ones that are here already are committing crime , watching the tv show "watching the pickpockets" it has been shown that many of them are from eastern europe especially romania yet we are doing that
The only way to handle this in public is to just flat-out ignore everyone and get on with whatever it is you're out for - ignore the charity beggars with their clipboards, ignore anyone who asks you the time / directions (someone tried to scam me recently with stopping me and asking for directions, and then immediately asked me for money, ignore beggars on the tube - a very aggressive Indian man gave handwritten cards to everyone on the tube a week or two ago, asking for money - he then waited 5 minutes, watched as people dug through their purses, and re-walked the carriage, taking money from those people - my boyfriend and I did not give anything - so he stood over us and looked really aggressive until I told him to go away,and that I have my own family to feed. So sick of this. But I'd rather be called names than part with a penny of my hard-earned cash.
why don't the DM publish articles on the British born and bred criminals that are already here rather than this constant stream of scaremongering to feed the UKIP sheep
They could never pick your pocket as much as the wealthy are already doing.
Unfortunately, because of the restrictions imposed on freedom of speech in this country, I am unable to say what I think of these people and what I would like to do to them. Suffice it to say, if my feelings were to be expressed, I should undoubtedly go to prison.
We can only hope they target Liberal Democrats. They are the ones who vote for unlimited immigration.
What good does it do for our country letting these types in? Close the borders to them, they have nothing to contribute!
If we put UKIP in power, believe me, it wouldn't be too long before they prove to be spineless and toothless too. Does anyone seriously think UKIP will get voted into power one day and immigrants will be loaded onto lorries the next and taken to ships waiting in ports all over the country? Does anyone really believe UKIP have the ability to run a country like the the UK? You cannot put a political party in power based on a single agenda based on ethnic cleansing. I want to be a proud Brit again, but I'm not able to convince myself that will happen until politicians are motivated by an abiding love of our country and who would do the job without wages or perks for the shear pleasures they'd get from reestablishing justice and fairness.
Thank goodness I'm emigrating at the begining of September. This country has gone to the dogs.
Well according to our pea brained government we need 7 million more immigrants to balance the books . If you believe that I will be round later to sell you a time share on the moon .
UKIP will be my choice at the ballot box.
Just gonna walk around with a mousetrap in every pocket.
They are already here. My Sister-in-law coming out of a restaurant in town had her shoulder bag stolen by having the strap cut. She was talking to my brother & I whilst about 5 of these professional thieves (one in a wheel chair!!), were chatting but spread out around us. We actually apologised for being in their way!!!. We crossed the road & it was then my sister-in-law realised her bag was no longer on her shoulder. The Police wouldn't check CCTV unless we had absolute proof it was these people. At the time it was only us & them. CCTV would have prooved it!! I am aware that pick pocketing has been around since Victorian times, but dealing with our own is one thing, dealing with foreigners is another. They act ignorant, lie through their teeth, make out they can't speak English & get away with a caution. It's pathetic. Britain & the British people do not want these people in our country. For God's sake vote UKIP in order to get these largely criminal people out. This must be stopped.
Sod European bureaucracy and close our boarders to all east Europeans coming here unless they can prove that they have a job to go to and put up £20,000 security, and those that do get through and caught should be put on cattle trucks and shipped back to were they were born.
Immigrant scum; just wait until Jan 1st 2014.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex , Somewhere, Canada, 18/7/2013 09:13=============== So the Canadian government are offering these criminals free transport to Canada are they? Didn't think so.
Are there any honest Romanians, or are they the ones that remain in their own country?
My ex wife had her purse lifted from her bag in Euro Disney, she was looking at the photo's taken when on a ride one person spat on her head and when she was distracted another opened her bag and stole her purse. By the way Disney know this goes on but wont admit it for obvious reasons.
I'm going on Dragons Den; I have an idea. You create a wallet or purse that looks normal but is actually a mouse trap, with a VERY strong spring clip. Anyone who tries to 'pickpocket' this loses their fingers. Problem solved. (Probably get sued but it would be worth it!) Who wants to invest in this with me??
Coming to a town near you, and if they don't get you the travellers will park on your cricket pitch, and all the time the government does nothing to protect the law abiding citizens of Britain.
No, No, No, get them out of here, they have no place in our society, they will destroy everything we have spent generations in achieving. Do something about it.
Disgusting examples of human beings
Quote "Last year, nearly 13,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were deported from France" - at least the French appear to be able to do this. Why can't the UK?
I will hold our Government responsible as they have not allowed us a vote on want we want as a nation! They ride roughshod over us every which way and it doesn't matter which party is in running this country.
@Mr Osbourne , Gods Country, United Kingdom The article is about a particular group of people from Romania, the Roma (Gypsies) I also know many people from Romania, and they are usually very nice and pleasant, but they dislike the Roma and cannot understa
Oh, come on, folks.... this is a vibrant, multicultural paradise... don't ya know?.. All planned and carried out by EU governments all over Europe to enhance our lives with all the benefits it brings. Hasn't David Cameron been telling us that for 3 years? It's GOOD for us to be invaded by newcomers with such gifted talents.
This is what happens with free movement of populations across borders. Yet another reason why we need to leave the EU. Anyone know of a good reason to stay in?
These foreign pickpockets, coming over here, stealing our jobs.
Coming to your local neighbourhood... VERY SOON
Only UKIP can help prevent this - n123 , Aberdeen, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 09:08 vote UKIP or carry on putting up and shutting up! - trueshot , Lutonistan, 18/7/2013 09:06 VOTE UKIP, SO MANY OF US WANT THIS SORTED
Yep already here...how come none of you have seen this in London?? also, the cashpoint pic is actually a ticket machine, so I dont hink that girl is waiting for the pin number....it even says ticket on it!! come on DM get it right!
This has been happening for years its not a new thing, we vowed not to go to Barcelona again as we were caught 9 years ago like this and we were in a cafe, the shops and cafes knew it was going on but didnt do anything about it , was happening in rome in feb, they did have guards on the trains as it was school children at it , I could,,nt understand how they had actually got on to the platforms in the first place !!!
Crime sans frontiers.
Coming soon to a town near you.
I was in Paris 2 weeks ago, I spent Sunday wandering around completely amazed by how many of these Roma women are about. Every time I caught the metro there were at least 6 of them begging, sending their kids on the trains with grubby feet to get the odd euro. Having felt really sorry for them at the time, I'm glad I didn't give them a dime, seeing these photos! Paris has always been bad for pickpockets, but my gosh you've definitely got to have your wits about you these days!
It would be interesting to get the European Commission's take on this worsening situation in France and Germany.. Clearly it is difficult to justify allowing mass immigration from Roumania and Bulgaria of people who live outside the system and wish to remain so by deliberately not educating their children, so they can't improve or work and integrate. The only alternative to get money is to rob and steal, which is putting a tremendous strain on the police services and damaging the Tourist industry, particulary in France. Clearly Schengen or not, you can't justify these people being allowed to cross borders within Europe , on the grounds they are looking for work, as this is the last thing on their minds. The American green card system, of only allowing people into the States on a permanent basis, when they have a job to go to; or are finacially independent, is long overdue for crossing borders in Europe.
"Why should we have to put up with this?? Total & utter madness!! We should close our borders to anyone who is not coming in to contribute financially to our growth as a nation! - blueyed!, north.. uk, 18/7/2013 2:55" ----- Unless you voted for UKIP, you have no right to complain. By voting for any of the 3 main political parties you have endorsed this idiocy. Labour, the LibDems and the Conservatives are all EU-worshipping political parties who will kow-tow to any crazy diktat issued by Brussels. So, until UKIP is in a position to fix this mess, you're just going to have to bend over and take it. If that annoys you, vote UKIP. It's that simple.
I used Gare Du Nord a few months back and the petition gangs there were numerous. You just have to keep your wits about you and don't be stupid. Crime happens in every major city, deal with it. Anyway, this isn't a new phenomenon, these gangs have been operating here for years. Not news. Next.
They're already here!! Which is precisely why my house is in the market and I'm moving out of my small, market home-counties town, which I used to love, to a seaside village 250 miles away that has a butcher, chemist, grocery shop, baker, three pubs, restaurants and post office. I will only leave the village to work and anything I can't buy locally I'll get delivered. My parents moved there six months ago, it's where my grand-parents used to live so our family are not strangers. There are no immigrants of this type there as there is no housing or crime opportunites available to them. The alternative would be to stay here, not hear English spoken and watch crime soar. I have already been the victim of TWO failed pick-pocket attempts, in broad daylight and the would-be thieves looked just like the people pictured in this article. Thank God I'm reasonably young, fit and had my wits about me. I'm amongst many that are doing this - goodness knows what will happen to our towns.
Rather than reading this as a crime report article, I read this as a 'evil immigrants' article. Do British people not commit crimes too? Do they not pick pocket and steal? I think it's dangerous to stir up hatred in this way. I don't think someone's nationality is more likely to make them a criminal. Anyone of any race, nationality, religion, sex etc can be a criminal. Let's not start using the 'us vs them' mentality.
They're already here!
It's not just immigrants. In Barcelona gangs of children steal in the streets and on the metro. Nothing can be done because in Spain you cannot be prosecuted for criminal offences if you are under 16 years old.
We should be able to deport criminals more easily, no matter where they come from or what their age.
I was a victim of a variation of the scam in the first picture in Windsor 10 years ago. Mobile phone was on a table and an 'Eastern European' put a card over it reading that he couldn't speak English but asking for money over it. Next thing I knew, he'd gone and so had the phone which he was covering with the sign. They've been here, doing this for years and it needs stopping now
I am sorry but the policy of unrestricted travel with in the European Community is a joke. The economy's of the eastern european countries and the living standards being so low in comparison to the UK France Germany etc.. it is no wonder we are all being over run by ppl looking to make a better life for themselves..and not caring how they do it. The labour and Conservative party's need to get a grip and block the free travel of these ppl. And if it upsets the German and French..TUFF. If they can bear the trouble these ppl casue fine...We can't
The uk should thank their lucky stars they are getting some Romanians and Bulgarians as the women are beautiful! Most young women in the uk are border line obese walking around in plush velvet track suits or legging with uggs on? Most Bulgarian or Romanian women I know are fashion models!
The picture of those kids jumping between the train platforms, shocking.
This Government must stop this immigration now .Myself and many citizens of this country are so fed up with the E.U telling us what we can and cannot do that it is coming to a point where the people who own this country could and might cause this Government a lot of problems. It does not satisfy the people to wait for Mr.Camerons proposed referendum because it probably won't happen anyway..My view is that the E.U. will come up with some scheme before ,and if we are given a referendum ,that nobody in present Government would have the guts to stand up to and argue about.
We have all the pickpockets we can deal with, most of them in government, banking & utility companies.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist - alex, Somewhere, Canada, 18/07/2013 08:13 An Canada would welcome these criminals with open arms would it? If so you're welcome to have them.
These kids have nothing on the guys in Naples!
I have been to Paris many times but when I went in May this year it changed my feelings towards the city. I felt intimidated & apprehensive due to the amount gangs hanging around & I don't think I'll go back in a hurry. Worried about feeling like this in my own city soon.
As if pickpocketing is a uniquely Romanian trait. And pickpocketing is the only thing that Romanians do. Stop whipping up bigotry, DM. This newspaper is obsessed with demonising this group of people. I'm sick of your "patriotic" scaremongering. Cue deluded yelps of "Only Ukip can save us now!".
It has already happened here and will only get worse. A friend who is a policeman told me at a certain tube station there was a 400 percent increase in crime due to Albanian gangs but it could never be mentioned as that would be seen as racist...we are living in a fools paradise.
Oh - and they ARE here already. It's just that a lot more are due! Vote for anyone who will stop it ASAP and email your MP.
The spineless parties don't sit back and talk about it ( sheffield owl, Sheffield ) they just SIT BACK. The French authorities will deal with it, once they put their minds to it, and kick them out, and the easiest place to kick them out to is to the UK, problem solved ( for them ). Then our politicians will continue to sit back, counting their pay rises, in their ivory towers, where they will remain untouched by the reality of all these thieves in our midst, until we get around to voting them all out, by which time it is all too late, and we are stuck with yet another catastrophe of their making, Like all the nonsense we have had to put up with over human rights and terrorists fleecing the taxpayer of millions with their legal aid bills and housing benefit.
- KokeshiGirlUSA, Japan, Japan, 18/7/2013 3:45 - The fact that you experienced this in Paris is irrelevant, it could have been Vienna, Geneva, London, Dublin, Rome, Madrid, Rio, even in the now black-labelled Eastern European capitals as Budapest and Prag
Britain prepares to allow thousands of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria to seek work in the UK >>>> Seek work?? That's one of the funniest lines i've seen in a while.
How sad. Britain in Ruins. - RBOUDVILLE, Perth Western Australia, ..................... ..... .. .. . Australia has more victims of crime than Britain does. According to nationmaster, Australia leads the world in things like car theft and burglary. Australia in ruins?
don't know their nationality but bands of foreign pickpockets are already operating in London. Of course this will get worse in the UK from 2014 unless action is taken NOW. I read with interest that 'Last year, nearly 13,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were deported from France, an increase of 18.4 per cent on the previous year.' If France can deport so many unwanted immigrants what is stopping the UK? - Joanna, Sheffield, United Kingdom, 18/07/2013 03:38. Could you ever see the BBC running a story like that?
Everyone stop blaming the unwitting victims or comparing to Dickensian times. It is what it is, a major problem caused by a growing section of society. If they weren't here then neither would be this particular problem.
You have to watch the Chatelet les Halles RER as it's the main crossroads for RER trains and felons can get away very quickly from here . More care when using RER A as this the line used by the wealthy St Germain-en-Laye and Versailles commuters .Women take note , use a shoulder handbag which zips and tucks under your arm . Never in any circumstances open your bag whilst using the train or on the platform. I was a victim of these pickpockets , they are swift, very swift . Common sense stuff really but be on your guard .
They are already here, my partner and i were shopping in our local Morrisons and my partner had £25 taken out of his pocket, these people are so highly skilled at it, that it is incredible how fast they are and this was christmas 2008.....
Clueless Cameron and Red Ed will welcome them with open arms,but there many here already. All the do-gooders will set up centres to make it easy for them to claim housing and benefits,plenty of thieving opportunities,head for UK. Voting UKIP is the ONLY option now to save the UK.
No thanks to buy to let slum landlords letting properties to the councils, god forbid they don't move into our street or next door ...than the real nightmare will begin!!!!
Solution : Get out of London and the South East, move North and leave the dregs of society and our political scum in Westminister to feed of themselves. They deserve each other!
oh lovely! :( i'm sure the elite politicians aren't bothered....after all it won't be happening to them will it
And what will we do about it...? Absolutely NOTHING...
Ah yes, one of the many great joys of EU membership.
of course we all know the biggest pickpockets and criminals are in westminster, george osborne and lame duncan smith etc etc etc!
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 YES we do have home grown criminals here which is nothing to be proud, but that is OUR problem! - however IF YOU COME IN TO THIS COUNTRY AND BREAK THE LAW YOU SHOULD BE DEPORTED STRAIGHT BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!! Surely this makes sense? -Get the UK out of the EU - VOTE UKIP!!!
I had that done to me in Paris. I was staying at a Disney hotel and as we were leaving this guy that worked there was putting me and my sisters bags on the coach.. when we arrived home, we had realised that my camera was missing.. called the police in Paris and it turned out from what they saw on cctv that the guy who put our bags on the coach stole my camera.. and sold it for drugs.. I was very upset especially something like this happening in Disney
ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND, I used to love singing that when I was a kid, it wasn't deemed racist then, it was classed as patriotic, Sadly today every Brit seems to be accused as a racist if you mention anything about immigration or ethnic community's in the UK. I feel hurt at what's happening to OUR country. I feel it is being taken off us and how long before they make OUR England flag illegal to fly.... Only one ticket out of this UKIP NO MY IDEAL CHOICE BUT THE ONLY CHOICE
This trash needs to go back to Romania. The freedom of movement policy of the EU will work just as well sending them in the opposite direction!
Fortunately, I'm skint. Cheers, government. Please, tax me some more. I'll then be able to remain skint, and free from being an encouragement to any other pickpockets.
They are already here the police do not record 90% of the crime as they have no witnesses,most people are regarded as stupid for letting it happens ,its not priority.in my case my knapsack was sliced open as i walked i pad ect was lost this on a busy street in London,the bigger the crowds the better it is for them.
The answer is to vote UKIP but until then we must all watch out for each other.
They have been operating in Oxford street etc for more than the last 10 years. You need to keep your wits about you.
This isn't anything new. Anyone seen Oliver Twist?
****** N E W S F L A S H ******* This is already here, only difference is it'll get worse when the flood gates open and allow further degradation of our society . Be prepared , because the government isn't !
Oh, please... using the Eastern European card again to incite hatred. Thankfully, as everyone is aware, pickpockets cannot be UK citizens, it is completely alien to them, right? Stealing is to be punished irrespective of nationality, but picking the pockets of others with intent to steal is not specific to Eastern Europe. Get a grip on the situation and stop this xenophobe labelling of people, groups of people and nations.
Bit late with is one DM, they're already here with more on the way. Pity the government is blind to what is going to get worst in a few months time Keith43/Ludlow
Come on DM don't you know the difference between a cash machine and a ticket machine. The girl is buying a train ticket not withdrawing cash. - AndeeUK , BRADFORD, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 09:05----------And paying by card with a PIN number, the girl is memorising to use once they have stolen the woman's card.
Its too late for any party to get this country back a British way of life and values.
Only UKIP can help prevent this - n123 , Aberdeen, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 09:08 ---------------------------Are you on stage with your comedy act?
"Could be heading for the UK"? They've been here for years!
Ignore EEC directives and deport all those found to be committing crimes, especially the children because they are being exploited by their own people as well as being inducted into a lifetime of crime. So if they get sent back to their country of origin, their government MUST be made to receive them and deal with them.
Who was taking these pictures and not doing anything
Welcome to Joke Britain !!!
EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP. OR VOTE UKIP. Britian needs a complete sweep up and our current bunch of plebs are incapable.
Come on DM don't you know the difference between a cash machine and a ticket machine. The girl is buying a train ticket not withdrawing cash. - AndeeUK , BRADFORD, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 09:05. She's using her card and pin number. Worth the same to the thief.
So, the scare-mongering headline says they'r heading here, and the whole article offers no evidence whatsoever to support this theory. Typical. It's not like there aren't any British thieves, for crying out loud. Ever read Oliver Twist?
D Mail send a copy to Cameron in large letters to warn him and his lot to get ready for the 2014 invasion ,once the French kicks them out it is us next. EU out Boards shut that's what we need here
if they tried to pick pockets me they will get a tissue and an old paracetamol tablet that's gone a bit foosty. and more fool you of you don't look around you before putting card in. ahh the eu isn't it great.
Those politicians forming the EU hadn't anticipated the structural decline of the more advanced nationalities and now all must suffer and lose their identification, their cultural achievements, their language, maturity, religious toleration and national independence. You brought permanent destruction upon yourselves.
"Apart from booting them out and not letting any more here - (cut off their hands)....even that would be to good for this scum. - Mason948 , Glasgow, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 04:17" CUT OFF THEIR HANDS??? For stealing? You need help, as do the other idiots who green flagged you!!
More xenophobia from the DM.
"In the past year alone, 176,000 Romanians and Bulgarians have entered Germany.." There are also many Germans in Romania such as the Transylvanian Saxons. At the last census there were 45,000 still using German as their mother tongue after many generations. So it is a bit strange that they complain about the children of new migrants not speaking German immediately.
Since 2007 Romanians and Bulgarians could travel without visa in UK, nothing will happen next year...All the beggars and pickpockets are already here, nothing else but a UKIP campaign.
One sniff of criminal activity and they should be deported immediately. We don't need these parasites.
They're already here!
In 'broad' daylight, as a pose to 'narrow' daylight.
Ibiza is rife with these pickpockets, no one is safe, we have to be extra careful of our things. When on beach or sitting at cafe or restaurants, tie your bags to a table leg where you can either see it or feel it,
And I thought that Barcelona was the worst!!! It's all very well criticizing the victims but these gangs are extremely well trained and organised, very slick!! They are trained from childhood. I understand that these people are allowed to come to Britain in order to find work, but robbery is not work. Deport the lot. The Romanian government must be rubbing it's hands as they've got rid of these parasites!
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 YES we do have home grown criminals here which is nothing to be proud, but that is OUR problem! - however IF YOU COME IN TO THIS COUNTRY AND BREAK THE LAW YOU SHOULD BE DEPORTED STRAIGHT BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!! Surely this makes sense? -Get the UK out of the EU - VOTE UKIP!!!
The picture of the Police Officer grabbing that scumbag amuses me! In the UK he wouldn't dare do that, the scumbags Human Rights lawyer, and all the sandal-wearers would have his job for it......The downward slide into the abyss of the UK continues apace..................
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 YES we do have home grown criminals here which is nothing to be proud, but that is OUR problem! - however IF YOU COME IN TO THIS COUNTRY AND BREAK THE LAW YOU SHOULD BE DEPORTED STRAIGHT BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!! Surely this makes sense? -Get the UK out of the EU - VOTE UKIP!!!
VOTE UKIP - ON EVERY OCCASION!
This story is horrible, and is certainly news-worthy. But your headline is ridiculous - "(and they could be heading for the UK)" You guys at the DM love to incite a bit of fear don't you! Quick everyone - head for the hills!
Britain needs to leave the EU now. Not later on. We have too many languages that are not ours spoken. And we certainly do not want thiefs in our country. I thought immigrants were first let in to fix our country after world war, not to exploit our country and these immigrants were from the common wealth not the EU. We should leave the EU and become Britain again.
Brazen slobs.
and if they get caught? nothing!
waeky waky rise and shine they are all ready here and the government have no idear how many it just part of there plan to turn us in to a third world economy ruin our countrw in to the ground while all the swine at the top make them selves richer were going backwardes and very fast to a life similar to late 1800 early 1900 when the rich were filthy rich and the poor were just filthy and there was nothing in between WHAT A MESS
Frightening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yes they are definitely over here!
Eu doesn't work. I don't want to go to Eastern Europe to claim benefits, they do! Simple
If Cameron lets this happen in the UK, despite all the warnings, he should be overthrown and kicked out politics altogether! This country has enough problems with foreigners because of the Government's stupidity over the last 30 years. - Stand-up guy , The Yukon, Canada, I would go further than that and say every single politician should be made to be responsible for this. All pensions removed, all property sold, even if it has been put int their families name, and imprisionment.
They've been operating here for ages.
Not madness as a few people have mentioned but common purpose. The is part of the plan to dilute our identity to the point we don't care and actually beg them to control us more. We then head towards the one world order they want.
If you are a current Conservative, Labour or LibDem supporter - DO NOT COMPLAIN. You support your party that allows the free movement of Bulgarians and Romanians into the UK from next year.
It's too late for UKIP to stop the next wave of immigrants, but they would put a lid on it in the future.. Ths bunch of Romanians are free to enter the UK within months. Self preservation - don't stop if these people ask you to and do not engage with them, as they're up to no good and likely to be trying to take your money. It's a question of being aware. Especially if the benefits restrictions come in for immigrants, this sort of behaviour will become even more rife.
And in other news, my friend Nik, an engineer from Romania, is running a large British engineering company, while his equally Romanian wife works as a business adviser helping companies export. If you concentrate on the 0.05 per cent of trash in any society you will get a bad picture of it.
Here we go again, Yawn..., Oliver Twist was neither Romanian nor Bulgarian.! I see the UKIP brigade's on the prowl again. - Minxj, Uranus, United States, 18/7/2013 ------------------------------- Oliver Twist was a fictional character, whereas these Romanian and Bulgarian criminals are all too real
We should construct a wall around Britain, 10000 feet high with foundations stretching down into the earth's core. We shall use the core to heat the stones so that it will burn the eyes of any potential immigrant who dares to look at the wall. Only then shall we make Britain great again. Oh yes, and vote UKIP, remember the 50s? They were nice.
`Eastern Europe` is composed of various countries , if the crime is committed by Rumanian Roma why even mention the rest. I was pickpocketed in Valencia but certainly did not blame `Western Europe` for the crime.
I would love for someone to put a mousetrap or suchlike in an invitingly opened pocket or bag.
Really don't understand why they are allowed to come when everyone knows what they will do. Quite enough low life criminals here already. Nobody should go to a country where they don't have a job to support themselves or speak the language. It is not racist to say that. If I were to move to Spain I would learn Spanish and have a means to provide for myself before I went. Immigration needs looking at urgently.
They are in the UK !! eastern Europeans have been operating pick pocket cells on the streets of London for ages !!
"If you are stupid enough to walk around a major city with your wallet sticking out your back trouser pocket you will be a target. If you are stupid enough to be distracted by anyone at all, while you are at a cashpoint you will be a victim of crime. Stop being stupid and these little gangs will go out of business. - W.George , Chavfree island, 18/7/2013" ---- What about elderly and disabled people who aren't as streetwise as you? How would you feel if your mother was targetted by these scum? But never mind, she shouldn't have been so trusting and naive, right? Stop making excuses for criminals. There's no justification for it.
Duped: A Roma woman asks this man to sign a petition while an accomplice picks his pocket (circled)..............Looking at the photo above, this is exactly what the EU is doing to us by making us sing agreements like The Lisbon Treaty whilst they 'milk' us. We have also been pickpocketed by HMRC with unnecessary higher taxes to spend in aid. I wonder if we are being duped when they say they are giving aid.
Unless it's changed since my time in the Middle East, thieves once caught and judged, had one of their hands cut off under Islamic law. Personally, I can think of no better deterrent, certainly beats pathetic community service, or, a holiday in a young offenders institution for a couple of weeks where they meet all their mates and can swap stories, whilst playing snooker, watching television, and generally lounging around. Modern Britain, you couldn't make up all of this crap if you tried....no wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.
Could be coming here? Where do you live? Don't get about much do you? Our part of what's left of Great Britain is swamped with them. Look at picture 2 ...such contempt! enrages me. And what the hell good is UKIP if they don't lead NOW!!! by calling marches and speaking out more NOW!!! not after next January, or 2015. They and everybody (including on here) are talking but no one's doing anything!!! (got any ideas have you?)
"1,769 minors detained by French police for committing similar crimes in 2012" This is not a vast number for a country the size of France for a whole year - about 5 per day.
This is nothing new. Happens all over the world, anywhere you go. The problem is people being so naive letting these thieves get too close to them when handling anything of value, or not being vigilant enough. This is already happening in the UK! Nothing new!
How sad. Britain in Ruins. - RBOUDVILLE, Perth Western Australia, did you actually read the story? this is in PARIS???? lol
How dare our politicians blame the all this on the aging population for the welfare bill rising. These people must of thought Christmas had come when they got the ok to come here. I detest the country i was born in because of our politicians ruining this country they don't work for us they work for immigrants and their self.
sorry, it's NOT cashpoint, if anyone in the DM had a bit of non-English culture (unlikely, I know) you'd spot it's a ticket vending machine. Most of these pics show no crime occurring. Racist propaganda as usual. I've been mugged in the UK plenty of times, by good old British folk.
Always get the pretty one to distract, classic scam
They really have brought shame on their own country. Surely not everyone in Romania is a beggar, thief or violent criminal? It's certainly not a place I ever want to visit. I hate racism, but if we cannot guarantee the behaviour of groups of people we simply have to ban them all. This shoebox of an island simply cannot fit all comers whatever their circumstances. I'm so sad when I see how this country has been ruined by mass immigration, only a small percentage have actually been productive when you look at the whole figure (even though we have grossly underestimated the true figure). We should be returning people to their homelands wherever possible. Employ more people to help UK Border Forces, it was recently said it would take over 50 years to process ever person already here and those still entering, so why not shorten that queue by processing faster with more employees (plenty of people need work) and SHUTTING THE DOOR NOW!
Simple ans to this don't allow them in our country John stockport
God help us. At least the French take a stand. We will be giving them 'well they are an ethnic minority' blurb
Do the majority of DM readers ever leave their houses to put themselves at risk of being robbed by ANY nationality?
its like axing your own legs, when we always knew what Romania and Bulgaria have to offer is these gangs why they were allowed to join EU and visa free travel.
The police forces of the better off EU countries should cooperate to identify and deal with the ringleaders. These Roma gangs are managed by utterly evil people who need to banged up with hard labour for life. Sadly, the Yuman Rights lobby will just give them free houses and televisions.
And as per usual Cameron will deny that it will happen here and then bury his head in the sand[ hoping it won,t happen ]
THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED NOW OR THERE WILL BE ANARCHY .
Let's all celebrate diversity.Thanks LAB/CON/LIB for turning my country into the world's dumping ground. Roll on 2015.
Only UKIP voted against Romanian and Bulgarian accession to the EU. Remember that when you cast a vote. Not that the DM will print that fact!
Coming to a cash point near you very soon! It is all well and good saying this already happens in the UK, but does that mean we need to import even more of them to add to the numbers our home grown criminals?
They're here already!
British crime for British criminals!
This saddens me ,they should stop them coming over here,what a state this country is in,we dont know what is coming,we know there is thieves ,but what else is the people make up made of,and what else are they capable of....
I've recently been to Paris and I was shocked when I saw how bad things got since I last visited this town a couple of years ago. In only 4 days I could see the well known gangs of Roma people aggressing people on the street with petitions to sign (and by aggressing I mean the fact that they are surrounding you and not letting you pass them), I have witnessed a robbery (fortunately the victim noticed her mobile phone was missing and started screaming and running after the thief so he dropped her phone on the ground) and I was personally abused and threatened while walking on the street by 2 Roman guys, because I didn't want to pay them attention and sign their "petition". All these things happen in the city center, in the most visited and populated places of Paris. I haven't seen one policeman there. I haven't seen any measures taken. It's obvious where they attack and rob people, so why aren't there any police forces in those places?
If someone came up to me with a clipboard asking for money I would be tempted to knock it out of their hands.
I will call this racism from the newspaper. We live in the 21st century and the flow of people simply cannot be stopped. So pointing the immigrants as potential criminal is racist
I have news for you THEY ARE ALREADY HERE because our brain dead government won't close the border,
This is the third time where I have tried to insert my comment, let's hope the proofreaders of the DM show some human kindness for a change. 'You an't seen nothing yet', You may think that the problem regarding Rumanian/Bulgarian beggars couldn't get any worse? Think again! We no live in the second biggest city in Austria and anyone who has visited Graz will surely remember the historic and charming town centre. On nearly every corner one is accosted with demands for money. Women will stop their small children crying, by drugging them. We have seen those beggars congregate at 12 midday in the main square to hand their gains to the gang masters. The City council wanted to put a pan on begging in the centre of the city but EU human rights regulations, the Roman Catholic church and the Socialists/Liberals put a stop to this. So wait and see what is going to happen when the Cornucopia of the UK welfare state is available to all.
If you are stupid enough to walk around a major city with your wallet sticking out your back trouser pocket you will be a target. If you are stupid enough to be distracted by anyone at all, while you are at a cashpoint you will be a victim of crime. Stop being stupid and these little gangs will go out of business. - W.George , Chavfree island, 18/7/2013 ... Oh dear you upset a lot of stupid here :-) and hence the red arrows. They blame everyone except themselves, typical British.
"....crime ¿ particularly prostitution ¿ is on the increase" Prostitution is, for the most part, LEGAL in Germany.
Got news for you daily mail, they are here!
Romanians are some of the nciest people you will meet, I welcome them to Britain for a better life. 1 or 2 rebels here do not represent the 100,000 we are getting.
They're already here
What do you mean heading here, they are already here.
We already have them in London. Every day gangs operate around the Oxford Street area. They are also camped out again at Marble Arch one month after the police moved them on. Tough as old boots they know the law is powerless to do anything about them.
Not only in Paris also in Rome Florence, Milan.
We have all the pickpockets here we can deal with, most of them in government, banking & utility companies
quote>>>>The woman using the cashpoint has not noticed the girl in the pink shirt who is memorising (circled) her PIN number and waits to steal her cash card, nor her accomplice who is lurking in the foreground who writes this garbage? the woman is clearly standing at a ticket machine not a cash point.
there is still hope for the UK, we can get rid of our chinless wonder politicians we have now and vote with out feet, vote UKIP! it might not be enough to stop the Romanians and Bulgars from coming here in their hundreds of thousands in the next couple of years, but once we got rid of the LibLabCon pathetic wastes of space, we can at least review the immigration backlog sinse 2005, and get it sorted once and for all, before it's too late.
The solution is simple re-impose very strict and proper border controls, don't let them in, in the first place and if the EU complain tell them politely but firmly where to go. This is the UK and we don't want European crooks here let Brussels or Strasbourg have them instead if it is so important and let them put up with the crime not us.. If only we had the backbone to leave this evil and undemocratic empire,
Get us out of the EU then we wont have to suffer this.
This is disgraceful! They're going to come over, steal, not contribute to our financial economy, get a free house and live off benefits. What is happening to our once 'Great' Britain?
Never thought I'd say this but .... voting UKIP is becoming more and more appealing #Tragic
This is the result of France and Germany conceiving the notion of one Europe with no borders, they didn't think of things like this while the ideologists sat in their Ivory towers
Only UKIP can help prevent this
Pick-pocketing has been a British tradition long before mass immigration.The demographics of the perpetrators has changed a bit. That's all. - Whatever , Somewhere in the US, Well I guess that makes it alright then.,. Thanks for that
Heading to the UK ! their there
vote UKIP or carry on putting up and shutting up!
Eh. they are already here!
Come on DM don't you know the difference between a cash machine and a ticket machine. The girl is buying a train ticket not withdrawing cash.
Consider yourself at home. Consider yourself one of the family. We don't have a lot to spare. Who cares? What ever we got you steal! Britain heads back to Victorian times with feral children begging and stealing.
They will be heading here or they are already here?
I've got news for you. They are already over here. Why do you think the Met have dedicated units already set up and operating in London. At least France deports some. We don't deport more than a handful. Notice how politicians have gone quiet on the 1 January dropping of restrictions. I would be happy for them to get a pay rise if they dealt with this , but they will sit on their hands as usual.
Vote UKIP because the other spineless parties will sit back and just talk about it,what we want is action and we want it NOW.
Very soon, on a high street near you. God help us, because Cameron won't.
Absolute rubbish THERE HERE NOW AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS........ Are the people who come out with these reports real ? They need to get on the streets of all city's in the UK and talk to NORMAL people
There are Brits who do this too. There are also plenty of foreign pick-pockets already operating in London.
Whenever I see those people I walk around them. And I ignore them. We have one in Putney High Street. (a Woman) I remember when I was sitting in the Kings Road in Chelsea where I lived in the 90s having a coffee at a cafe there and a man came up to me and asked me for money and I said "NO" and he spat in my face. Luckily, it missed me. I keep well away from them now. And then we had the ones with the baby in her arms that she had borrowed from a friend. I know all their tricks.
We all know they are coming here next as we don't have our own country no more!! We are a free for all for Europe.
To those who say we have this already or all nationalities do it, it's the sheer volume of Romanians and the organised and marshalled nature of their crime that is making our capital a lawless hellhole. UK border police regularly find Romanian children exiting the UK carrying over £100,000 in cash. Westminster council said that of under 300 aggressive beggars last month, more than 200 were Romanian. I live 8 miles fromet central London to the West and we have them here lying in filth outside M&S where I no longer shop. Now everyday I have to change my routine and alter my life like we are living in a dysfunctional state where law and order has broken down. The police don't touch them. Instead we all get harrassed for bad parking or cycling on the pavement b
Whoever has a doubt on what this gangs doing here my contri: Despite broad daylight and security cameras at Marble Arch this March my suitcase was stolen from between the legs turned towards the cashpoint and dealing with withdrawal. I suddenly faced losses beyond a five figure sum. Who ever has doubt i wish them not to go through this but to emphasize what a better world this could be without criminals this(any) sort. If you loose valuables, there is a 50 percent chance them being returned to you. With criminals there is no thing such as good will, just the medieval intent to harm and survive in an environment on monies not stolen but but built through centuries.
How could our own government do this to us? We must make a stand, we have no choice, we are invaded by immigrants and involved in pointless wars. Rise up and do something
I hope the police deport them immediately without going through the rigmarole and expense of a trial ..and ban all immigrants unless they can speak the language and support themselves ,... This blatant misuse of refugee status has to be stopped immediately
Chop there hands off
I had it happen to me in a restaurant in London. People need to have their wits about them. They are very calculated and slick at what they do!!!
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50.......................yes they do, that is why we don't need anymore..........
They're already here and they have nothing to lose.
My husband almost had a 100 euro note taken out of his wallet whilst signing a 'petition' in Barcelona, they asked to check his bank card against his signature and whilst his wallet was open they positioned the clipboard over the top of the wallet, luckily his finger was over the note and he could feel HER tugging at it. Needless to say all hell broke loose and they didn't get the money. But it certainly makes you sit up and take notice. We were warned about pick pockets but I think everyone is wise to them now so they are thinking of more elaborate, sneaky ways of getting your money. Trust no one on holiday, if anyone asks for directions keep moving, don't stop and talk to anyone. It's not a nice attitude to have, but you have to be so very careful.
Hope you are listening Mr Cameron!!
I agree it happens wherever you are - by foreign or local thieves. My sister was minus her wallet by just showing people where to find something in the shop where she works. ATM is a good target but it is not the only place they steal from us. But let's admit, a lot of people make it very easy to get to their valuables. We should start on ourselves instead of being an easy target.
They're already bloody here!
This filth have been here for some time, we were warned just before the Olympics started that they were rife in London, I think the police even set up a special squad undercover to sneak up on them before their lookouts warned them. The trouble is they are given bail, and then disappear. This is one of the few times I agree with the old punishment of chopping the hands off of people like this, or put a huge 'T' for thief tattoo on their foreheads.
I want to vomit......................
I got a torrent of abuse when I refused to stop for a group of girls asking for signatures for "deaf and blind children". They were all over the Champ de Mars park but the police (soldiers too) seemed only to be concerned with African souvenir sellers. What IS so difficult about obeying the law, getting an education and then a job? Where's the self respect, and why is it such a part of a particular culture? There's only so many excuses, I have little sympathy anymore.
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013......................Yes that's very true John but why add to the criminal scum that we already have ? LISTEN UP PEOPLE, WE NEED TO START VOTING FOR POLITICIANS THAT PROMISE TO STOP THE ROT !
What do you mean 'they could be heading for the UK'? They've been here for at least a couple of decades - haven't you seen Hyde Park? - it's awash with them taking a break.
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Actually, according to an article in the news last year, 92% of cash point scams in Britain are committed by Romanians. Feel free to check this fact for yourself.
"President Francois Hollande¿s Socialist government came to power a year ago promising to rehouse the Roma and integrate them into society" ..........I lived in Slovakia until my mid teens and saw what they've done to their council houses, you'd be horrified. The truth is that 95% of Roma gypsies CANNOT be integrated into normal society! It's like they are a different species, with different values, outlook and I think their tendency to inbreed has a lot to answer for too. There is no real solution unless the flood gates shut now and stay shut.
They're already here!
I have seen these people in Wood Green and reported them. They also drive up and down roads in large vans, while the kids push sopping trolleys.
Roma problem is a European problem. It is not going to be fixed by Romanian government or the Bulgarian government. You cannot solve this problem only by blaming some other government, the UK police is impotent, this is the problem. This kind of behavior as in the article is very harshly treated in Romania by police, that is why all this roma gangs emigrated to France. Also the public is more aware of this scams so they do not fall for this things anymore, again a good reason the gangs emigrated to France.
If you are stupid enough to walk around a major city with your wallet sticking out your back trouser pocket you will be a target. If you are stupid enough to be distracted by anyone at all, while you are at a cashpoint you will be a victim of crime. Stop being stupid and these little gangs will go out of business. - W.George, Chavfree island, 18/7/2013 4:17 Even if you have your wallet concealed this can happen. These gangs are Professionals at their trade and often start learning when they are as young as five years. By the time they start operating in another country they have got pickpocketing off to a tee. They work in gangs of three or four people and often the loot is in someone else's pocket a couple of seconds later.
They are in London already. It may sound harsh but I always try to keep them at a distance and warn the kids off as they approach. Unfortunately they are not always recognisable and it is heartbreaking to turn away from women with babies etc. The kids are the most tenacious. It is time that the Govt "grew some" and legislated against their entry to the UK.
I don't think there is any ''could'' about it..........
It's the stupid EU, they should not of allowed them join, perhaps the VICTIMS should try suing the EU.
' English criminals do this too.' - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 What a fatuous remark to make; so it is quite in order to allow foreign criminals into the UK is it ?
If Cameron lets this happen ...? They've been here for years, begging on trains plus tubes, window washers in major roads, pick pockets in UK cities ... They've been here since the last shower were in !!!
They are already here
How dare they come to our country taking the jobs off our pick pockets, Fagin and Oliver Twist have a lot to answer for ......
Photos made in France. DM scaring us over here of "Eastern European".. .uhhhh, I am shaking... When will you show pics of English hooligans abroad, just to balance?
Whoever decided that Romania should be allowed to join the EU should be made to live near a Roma camp.
ONLY SOLUTION is to get out of the EU and have stringent checks on ALL who enter the UK. Cameron and his eurocrat cronies in Westminster are sitting on their backsides and FAILING to address the HUGE influx of Romanians and Bulgarians who are preparing to INVADE this country to steal and defraud!! UKIP is the ONLY party who will defend our borders.
Ive got some bad news for you, the Eastern European pickpockets and thieves are already in the UK, and have been for a number of years.
It can be even worse than this.I had a long stay in China,I had to have a medical check,eyes,heart, lungs,Then I was checked for any contagious diseases,The certificate I was issued with contained my photgraph and all relevent details,Signed and stamped by a doctor who carried out these checks,and would last a year.Which I had to pay for to be allowed to remain.This lot can just March in without any checks and are free to carry on their dirty work and bring every disease with them and followed by free treatment.
thank you Condems for allowing more into the uk this January!
Where will it end? Cameron's Britain!
Britain is bad enough at the moment , you have to wonder at times if you are still in your own Country !but looking at this fills me with horror and despair , Mr Cameron is it any wonder people want UKIP?RIP Great Britain.
Beware of them! For the ones who think of going to Disneyland Paris, they're also there (in front of the Walt Disney Studio Park) asking you to sign or donate on something. Just ignore them. Arrggg! Sorry, but I really hate these people!
Whaddya mean "coming here"..........they are ALREADY HERE. "Shake a leg" mean anything to you people? They are already operating in London and have been for some time and as soon as they realise the cops cant be everywhere at once it will become pandemic and none of your orwellian CCTV systems are gonna be able to stop it because there are many, many places not covered where they can get on with it and rob till they are rich on the misery of others. THIS is the true face of immigration.
this government have 5months to close our borders before this is forced upon us. We need to act write to your mp, protest in the streets do what ever you can to stop this madness hitting the streets of London and surrounding areas. I hate this country we are being over taken and our useless politicians do nothing to stop it, in fact they love it.More cheap labour for their friends in the city.
Topping -up the hand outs and benefits we give them no doubt?
Top Tip: To give pick-pockets a nasty surprise, place a set mousetrap in your jacket pocket (remember you put it in there as well!).
It is just this sort of stupidity of the EU, allowing unfettered access to so many undesirables which will cause its downfall. Whilst many of us will be delighted to see the demise and collapse of the EU, we will suffer badly before our "government" finally sees the sense and necessity of getting out of this baleful, corrupt and fraudulent organisation.
I have seen these people in Wood Green and reported them. They also drive up and down roads in large vans, while the kids push sopping trolleys.
What's picture 2 ?
Welcome Welcome Welcome - firstly we will show you the houses of parliment, this is where your pilfering idols work. You have to try and get to their level !!!!!! Tell them all to get lost
Berliscoli (sp) did the right thing in Italy. He got rid of them all!!! Think he carted them off to Sicily or some such place.
Yet another reason to get out of the EU...the very broken Eastern EU Iis on it's way! Vote UKIP!
Good job labour voters let's hope they rob you all blind. Give them a real life HUH!
Simple, DONT LET THEM IN! send THEM ALL to Brussels and let them have a taste of these illegals.
Even more reasons to support UKIP
If Cameron lets this happen here.....Political suicide!!!!
I was nearly victim to these vagabonds 3 times on my last visit to Paris. Seems London will be very similar soon.
Bring back border controls across Europe. Identify them, the criminals, and don't let them into UK, forget the EU laws the way France does when it suits them!!
France can't moan the borderless EU was the ultimate plan it shared with Germany since the inception of the EU
standing on sloane square station last month i witnessed on the platform a group of children very similar in age messing about clearly not English speaking an eastern European language - so what im saying it very very soon it will be a major problem in cities in UK - they are here operating in broad daylight. I also have a unpleasant experience of an eastern European looked Rumanian begging on the central line tube using his accordion accompanied by a child, to play music and putting a plastic cup right into peoples faces. He got very annoyed when people didnt cough up. Very threatening. Very unpleasant indeed. Freedom of movement really doesnt work when you have huge differences in wealth between countries. I do not understand why politicians cant see this . If we do have immigration it should be ONLY for a skilled based immigration system . This should also be accompanied by a full screening of the individual to flag up any possible crime history.
They absolutely ruin Paris. Another scam the try is with a gold ring, trying to tell you that you dropped it and they claim to be from Kosovo and not Romania. I wanted one Roma trying to scam other tourists and I told them it was a scam, she started shouting at me cos she was caught out. Probably cursed me!
Thet ARE on the way to the UK thanks to BLIAR and his gang!!
" ... and they could be heading for the UK" - Yeah right. Coz they're not already here are they. How many articles have you already run about this happening in London?
None of the main political parties seem to want to deal with this threat that will be coming our way soon. Hopefully UKIP can maintain it's momentum and force a referendum before 2015. The politicians will not deal with the immigration problem without being pushed so please keep pushing people.
In the picture where the description is: 'Look out: The woman using the cashpoint has not noticed the girl in the pink shirt who is memorising (circled) her PIN number and waits to steal her cash card, nor her accomplice who is lurking in the foreground' That is NOT a cashpoint, it is a machine where you put money onto the french version of the oyster card, or buy tickets for the metro, it even says 'Tickets' at the top of the machine! Please do your research.
Call to leave EU is backed by 71% The majority of Britons believe the UK would be better off quitting the EU , a poll revealed yesterday. Poll carried out by the Bruges Group. But will anyone listen?
What do you mean "could be"? They WILL be heading for the UK too. UKIP has the answer.
And they could be heading for UK? They are already here. Westminster council announced that of 270 arrested for begging, more than 200 were Romanian. Not Eastern European, but grom one tiny country. They are controlled by gangmasters. They come in legally for a few months, beg, steal and squat in London, then relocate to Paris, then Berlin, then Rome.
Heading here? Wake up, they have been here for years.
I am ready for you all... and I hope the people in the UK respond with reasonable forces..
This goes on in London and other cities already and has done for years. Why is it being reported as 'news' ?
Roma and Bulgarian pickpockets are already here and there will be more coming in january
'President Francois Hollande¿s Socialist government came to power a year ago promising to rehouse the Roma and integrate them into society.' Like most people on the left, he is more concerned about the welfare of foreigners than he is of his own people. ' integrate them into society " ? yes, and I'm a banana !
I have seen these people in action, in North London and reported them. They also drive up and down in distinctive vans wheeling shopping trolleys along the road. You will see them in a road near you!
Spent a few days in Rome last month - local police absolutely everywhere - street traders were an absolute nuisance but felt safe because of such strong police presence both on foot and cars screeching around
How sad. Britain in Ruins. - RBOUDVILLE , Perth Western Australia, 18/7/2013 04:12 How sad, you can't read - this is in France!
More scaremongering from DM, how about you find some real news as all this looks staged?
If you think that the British don't do this kind of thing, think again.
Soft sentence's do nothing to deter these people. They should be marched to the border and kicked out. Roll on 2015 Nigel Farage will take us out of EU then all these migrants will have to leave. Can't happen soon enough.
As usual lots of comments on what a disgrace, how we shouldn't let it happen etc. Still nobody has got the balls to do anything about it. If this was the 30's or 40's the public would have taken the streets back, but today you all just roll over and let it happen. So sad. God help us if Hitler and his armies came knocking today, we'd be run over inside a week.
Get them over to the UK and fast this country can't get any worse. These are the people we need willing to work independently in their own businesses. Good on em!
There are thieves and muggers everywhere, even in my Spanish town; try to use cash machines inside a bank rather than on the street, keep your handbag (if you must carry one at all) across your body, and avoid walking alone at night. There are many people short of money at present, but that is NEVER an excuse to rob someone else.
Coming to a cashpoint near you.
Same story last year - but then it was Barcelona and based on the Olympics. Come on, let's have some originality.
these people are not the problem they are not here yet.. self serving politicians lib-dems. labour and cameron who would keep us in europe are. they would see this country destroyed to pursue their own wealth in europe . surely by now people can see that only nigel farage and the tory back benchers would save the uk from being a lot worse even that it is now . people like clarke are only interested in their own greed. vote ukip or be sorry you didn't.the three main party's promises can not be trusted on anything, the have proved this enough.
What do you mean could be heading for the UK, there are tens of thousands already here picking up the benefits and picking pockets at the same time. We seem to encourage it. We demand it. We are unable to deal with it. The tax payer foots the bill and the commuter gets hit too. Happy days for Cameron, Clegg & Cable. They want this.
As long as these people show the civilized world no respect, they should expect none in return!!
can we stop people coming here and have a good clear out so we can try and get our country back
"could be coming to Britain' keep up DM already here
We are sitting ducks. For all those smug people who say you should be hypervigilant and you deserve it if you don't take precautions you are just as susceptible to the psycholigical tricks employed and the easiest people are those who think they are clever. Not only are we about to be overwhelmed, but these people are the 'JEDI' of theft. Beware they're already here courtesy of the EU and the deliberate blocking of a referendum by the Ant and Dec of politics.
The only gangs of pickpocketers are your politicians and the Royal's! - harry kreme, sydney, Australia, 18/07/2013 02:27 She's your queen too harry
The Roma are already here. One hangs around a cash machine in my town in Manchester selling Big Issues, always has someone with her stood near the machine. Another distracting tactic? I'd pay to see these people returned to wherever they came from.
How sad. Britain in Ruins. - RBOUDVILLE , Perth Western Australia, 18/7/2013 04:12 How sad. Another Aussie that cannot read.............This is France!
In the days of public hangings, Pickpockets used to be hung for their crimes and while the public watched there were pickpockets working the crowd. So even that didnt deter them
And as soon as we want to turf out this scum, we'll find ourselves facing the Court of Human Rights for infringement of these scumbags' rights and racism etc. What about OUR rights???????
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 ...................... not really justification for importing more of the same though is it Jon.
These are everyday events in Rome, Italy too.
If in doubt keep em out
If Cameron's government doesn't do something to stop this, they will very definitely lose the next election. To be honest, it really doesn't matter who is in power, because they're all the same, but we can only hope that they actually want to stay in power, and actually do something to ensure that. We need to stop all immigration for five years to get ourselves sorted out. We should probably stop all overseas aid - other than for specific emergencies like tsunamis and the like - for the same period of time. The mess is getting so bad that we'll never recover from it.
Oh - and they ARE here already. It's just that a lot more are due! Vote for anyone who will stop it ASAP and email your MP.
This is the image that we have of ALL Eastern Europeans..We forget about those in the service industry, those that take the jobs that we don't want,those that lead a normal way of life.
When I was in Rome a few years ago - a pickpocket slashed my ruck sac with a knife but I only had a bottle of water in it. I hope the police crack down on them. My bug bear at the moment are the begging gangs on Oxford Street and Edgware Road. I know they're gangs because I've seen them on one of the side streets huddled together chatting away. The police have tried to clamp down but all they do is move and regroup somewhere else . I'm not interested in their nationality or where they're from I just would like them off the streets.
Yes, it may always have happened, but the more immigrants there are, the worse it will become. VOTE UKIP
Classic pickpocket happened to my husband once on Prague metro, bundled onto a train by guy behind him and we think the guy next to him took wallet, didn't even realise it was gone until we got to hotel. Only ever happened once and it was totally our own fault, we have been there loads of times before and since and are usually on the ball but slipped up this time, but even if he had discovered the theft at the time then what? these were two hefty guys it could've ended up even worse
We are too weak and too nice to do anything about it. We should be like that village last week that kicked out the "travelers" and nationally kick out these people. We have enough of our own beggars, scroungers and thieves without importing the Eastern European variant.
Just what we need - we have enough of the riff raff here already. I really fear for this country now, it is sinking (and not slowly). It upsets me so much because I love England, always felt safe here and felt proud that I was British, not any more. Thanks Labour party scum.
The problem is the same in Sweden - as in several other countries within the EU and within the Schengen Agreement. We need to change the EU - or leave it, as well as the Schengen Agreement.
If they come over here then they shouldn't be entitled to any benefits, they've not paid into the system so shouldn't be permitted to draw out of it and anybody caught committing a crime should be deported back and if its a child deported with their guardian. The best anybody can do is use common sense with their phones, cash, wallets and bags and hope that politicians centrally and at local level do the same with the potential slum areas and criminals.
bad news! they are already here!
Time to SHUT THE DOOR on Immigration. The only way to do this is to; VOTE UKIP.
: "Members of a Roma gang escape the police through the streets" did anyone else have iggy pop lust for life playing in there head. "you make me laugh!! Like this never happened before the " invasion"? stop the scaremongering...this has been happening since year dot in one way or another in most countries all over he world!!" - Hev , Perth, Australia, 18/7/2013 04:08 your right the Aborigines had you , and an Australia day to make sure they don't forget it
Good luck pickpocketing me, I'm always skint.
Could be heading to the UK? It's nothing new. I got pick pocketed about 8 years ago in Soho from a man who when i confronted him couldn't speak a word of English..
Pick pocketing has been a British tradition - indeed, so why add millions more of them by opening the borders to anyone who wants to come this overcrowded island and make it worse? The only way to control this madness is to get out of the EU and the 'rights for criminals and immigrants act'
Its the covert pickpockets like Osbourne who cheese me off !
Look at their happy little faces, they certainly enjoy their life of crime, who wouldn't welcome their addition to a community.Their behaviour is deemed as nothing new by some as English gangs also operate these cons so let them continue to arrive in droves by whatever means possible until they are finally welcomed with open arms from Jan 2014 to add their Roma charm to the criminal activity already blighting us.
I've seen a few in my own home town of athlone,here in Ireland,so people need be aware of their presence-we have accidently "deported" our young abroad to find work,and appear to be "importing a lot of undesirables"....
Pickpockets have been around for centuries, so it's not just a new scam. These days you have to be street wise, if you're using an ATM, go somewhere where it's less populated, even better, go inside the bank/shop and withdraw money from there. Keep your purse/wallet in an inside pocket. I wear an over body handbag and only open it inside shops when I'm about to purchase something. Why should some little thief have my money?
Use cash points INSIDE the bank or ask for cashback when shopping in the bigger supermarkets. However this pickpocket stuff has always happened.I remember being in Birmingham 10-12 years ago and these same east Europeans were stopping people in New St and asking for money.Kept picking on me for some reason.They would hang around restaurants and harress people coming in/out.They went into Indian restaurants going table to table (a good few with babies)The owner had to give them money and a bag of food to leave.It was affecting his trade in the wrong way.This gang left to pester the next restaurant and a new gang came into the first..................! Eventually the police did deal with it.
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 ...................... not really justification for importing more of the same though is it Jon.
Another example of the benefits unfettered EU immigration brings to us
& Robert Chote thinks we need 7 million more these vermi in our midst???????????????????????????????
Many comments concern the lack of control over settlement in the UK. Before any real progress can be made, the whole population needs to be recorded properly. In Holland all residents are registered in their council area. All have an entitlement number used when filling in tax returns but also needed to access any public services. All people are required to have indentification on their person. In Malaysia they go a step further. When arriving you are photographed, your index fingerprint is taken and a copy is made of your passport. Any visitor overstaying their visa can be found rather easily. So if the UK implemented the Dutch population recording system and the Malaysian border control approach; things could be sorted quite quickly. Free movement of people in the EU needs to be ended or at least adapted. I suspect that most EU states would accept changes.
My sis and her bf were in Paris not too long ago, Unfortunately they were the victim of a pickpocket. Her bf manged to catch the person who did it but when the police arrived they just took the wallet back and let the thieving scumbag go! It's all too common now around Paris all because these people have left their country and homes behind of their OWN FREE will, If these people have no qualifications, a job or any cash to support them they must not be allowed to enter this country. All that will happen is what we are seeing around London is just the start tackle the problem early and deport them!
The government would tackle this problem by saying 'they don't need to steal, we'll give them a house & money each week to live on'
This has been going on since the 1980s at least in Paris and other tourist centres, but when we tried to warn people about it we got shouted down by liberal hand wringers and the professional anti-racism lobby. Well, now it'll be coming to a suburb near you and there is nothing we can do about it.
RBoudville, Perth ... this article refers to FRANCE, not the UK, although unless our government does something quickly, it will be us next!
Joy, they'll be here soon.. no wonder the Roma are hated in their own country, and they wonder why!
Coming soon... To a street near you!!
"You've got to pick a pocket or two, you've got to pick a pocket or twooooo......." It's either them, or the bankers... Or the Politicians via that most pernicious of scams.... TAX!
When Bulgaria and Romania started dealing with their Roma's and gypsies by sending them to prisons as criminals, the EU said NO - this is violation of human rights - they are ethnic minority! Instead EU said 're-integrate them into society'. Now they have their re-integration. However one thing MUST BE MADE CLEAR - Roma's are not Bulgarian or Romanians. Majority of people in these countries are hard working and highly educated individuals, who are also fed up by the gypsies and the way EU does not allow to deal with them. And for those who say - they are parasites - YES they are. And so are the thousands British families living on benefits for several generations! Be objective people ! :) The problem is not new. It has been there since the beginning of the NOT-WORKING Benefit system!
I just loathe thieves , Total scum of the earth....
So difficult to spot that a camera team could follow them around all day. Would have been morally better to have followed them around warning people what they were up to rather than filming them at work. But then that would be the proper thing to do wouldnt it.
The problem is the same in Sweden - and several other European countries belonging to the EU and the Schengen agreement. We need to change the EU, or leave it! As well as the Schengen agreement. Mats / Malmö Sweden
I can't believe how racist some of these comments are! Pick pocketing has always been an issue here, but now we can write articles and blame it on immigrants? We're not perfect either
It is quickly reaching the point that these ATM's are too dangerous to use for security of oneself and ones account information...not to mention the cash that can be stolen. In all reality it would just be as easy to go to the bank and do a withdrawal directly with a teller. If it isn't the criminal element that gets ya the excessive charges of convenience can be just as bad depending on what ATM's you use. In the end I guess these machines aren't really as convenient as they would like you to believe when your can be roused of your card information through stealthy scanners or the human element...not to mention the new RFID threat that allows people to scan cards information wirelessly when just walking by someone who is collecting such information. Convenience can be a curse anymore...just be careful everyone that uses them.
I'm just glad English kids have never done this (yes, I am being sarcastic)
Hallelujah! Another invasion of utterly useless people! Vote UKIP!
You make me laugh!! Like this never happened before the " invasion"? stop the scaremongering...this has been happening since year dot in one way or another in most countries all over he world!! - Hev , Perth, Australia, 18/7/2013 04:08 I am glad you find it funny. How about we pack them all off to you and you can laugh at that. Just because we have some of our own criminal filth does not mean that we want the dregs that the rest of the world does not. We do not want foreign scum crossing our shorelines. KEEP OUT!!!
Just adding to the list of criminal we have here already who get away with anything...
Isn't multiculturalism wonderful? Thanks Labour.
We the British are so thick , how can you say they are targeting the French and will come here when they are already here and doing it ? The Romanians and Bulgarians have been stealing cash from cash machines and even was on TV on a documentary . People use their cards and they will do whatever tricks they do and boom ! Why not just bloody give these people the same way we treat non EU by asking them to apply for VISAs , period !! I m sick of them haunting us .
these people have nothing to do with europeans, send them all the way back
Can you please stop referring to them as Eastern Europeans? It gives such negative connotation to so many countires. They are Roma people, nomads that move from country to country as they have done so for centuries. They cause trouble in the East just as much as the West. Everyone should cooperate with each other to try to integrate them into modern societies as there are a few million of them accross Europe and they aren't going anywhere.
Paris is very scary place. I lived there for a while and they will beat you up if you don't give them a ciggie. Crackhead monsters outside our flat every day abusing us when we left the flat. In Paris you proceed with caution! What a waste of a great city. Too many criminals on the streets. Not sure if I will ever go back as you are watching your back the whole time.
Most of the countries this rubbish target have enough home grown scum so stop letting them in, it is simple. Also people need to be more street aware. Little tips always use cash machines inside banks.
They're already here!
This is nothing new. Pick pocketing has been going on since forever in Britain and i actually remember Romanian and other Eastern European pick pockets operating in London since the 90's. They would be on the tubes, a Women would be selling "lucky heather" in full Gypsy garb distracting you and a kid would be working their way through the carriage. On the street the same thing and they would send kids into pubs to ask for directions to a specific place (with an address on a piece of paper) and whilst you were distracted one would steal everything that was seen on the table or in bags below. If you are not aware of pick pockets in busy areas then you're a fool.
"Coming here"!!!........walk the streets in London and you will find they are already here!
Just because Romania is a dump doesn't mean they have to come over here and turn our country into one. Disgrace. I don't think my great Grandad fought for a Britain like this.
How can we ever trust Politicans
A lot of them are already here! Send them back please.
The only gangs of pickpocketers are your politicians and the Royal's! - harry kreme, sydney, Australia, 18/7/2013>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well said my friend, just add banking maggots, corporate fat-cats and public sector fat-cat parasites to the list.
When they are court stealing deport the whole family.
Now let the wet nosed liberals who are always fighting the corner of these people justify their support of them! Strange to think that despite the huge amounts of money and goods these people steal, they still live in squalid conditions. Maybe it's their way of trying to portray themselves as "poor" so they can bamboozle the Liberals into feeling sorry for them. People have to realise that if they want their way of life, customs, Religion to continue, then the tide must be turned. Some will say that we are against "Diversity", and objecting to it is racist, it's anything but. Imagine these Marxists in the EU getting their way, we would all be one and the same....Not much diversity there, right? if that come about. It's the Lefts use of words and actions accusing the majority of hating diversity, making us feel ashamed of thinking such a thing to get us subdued under their imagined Socialist/Communist Ideal system. Do you want to be told what to do and think for the rest of your Life?
This will be another problem our politicians are fully aware of but like anything else they do nothing to prevent it happening here (like closing our borders) but wait until it is a huge problem for our people and it makes headline news then they will announce an investigation into what why and how this is happening.
BEWARE !! This is a trailer for the UK next year ???? although they have already sent there advance squad here, darting here and there in London
You make me laugh!! Like this never happened before the " invasion"? stop the scaremongering...this has been happening since year dot in one way or another in most countries all over he world!! - Hev , Perth, Australia, 18/7/2013 04:08== it may have been so , but the poin t is that these gangs ( who are in their thousands , so yes thats the size of an invasion force in anyones book ) are moving round europe doing this , what they are pointing out is that with the open boarder policy ...they dont have to have a reason to go anywhere , they just can ...of course in the rose tinted uptopia of the europhile , all is well , there are no criminals just victims of their lives , they dont rob you because they want too ..they do it because they is so poor awwwwwwwww ..NO they are highly organised criminal gangs who take BILLIOBNS from the rest of europe through crime , these pickpockets enable their gangs to traffick women , sell drugs and prostitute children ...so its ok is it ???
Isn't the EU wonderful! Open borders allow thieves, rapists, violent criminals, prostitutes, beggars, swindlers, benefit fraudsters and their equally horrible children to enter other countries in the EU and expand their criminal activities. We will hear lots of soundbites about how the government is clamping down on them, but we know only too well that soundbites and weasel words will have no effect. Our chances of regaining our independence are very low as the EU is now a massive industry that is feeding hundreds of thousands of its own employees at exorbitant rates of pay, and each and every one of them will fight to save their lucrative jobs. Ted Heath led us like lambs to the slaughter into the "Common Market". Little did we know that this was the first step to the end of of the political freedom that millions of our fathers and forefathers had given their lives to protect and preserve. They must be looking down on us with disgust as we surrender without a fight!
Coming to your town very very soon!!!!
What we should do is send all the ASBOs and repeat offenders and general scumbags in the UK to Europe. With one mission Cause Havoc!, see how they like it.
We have this problem with this people in Spain from a long time ago and there's no way to solve it.
They are already here, an old lady was followed from the cash machine, after they clocked her number, followed her to a small food out let, left her bag for a minute to reach some thing on the top shelf, bang her bag had gone and with in minutes all her money from her bank had been emptied, at 9,30 in the morning..We know they were Romanians they were picked up on camera , but never to been seen again..
The police should pay upto 200 people to have half open bags which will entice these scum but place inside each bag is a ready to go mouse trap wit a 200 volt shock, what can prove more convincing to give up this filthy habit than a few burnt fingers to remember for life a lesson well learnt....easy peasy,,, but I was only stealing his money your honour, and my HUMAN RIGHTS were denied by the electric mouse trap........
Did you vote Labour, Liberal or Conservative at the last election ? If you did, then don`t grumble because you voted FOR this. Meanwhile, UKIP, who want to protect this country and it`s citizens are labelled "right wing extremists" by those in power who are ruining what is left of Great Britain !
Start tattooing them, locking up them up for 20 to cell, whatever it takes. These people need to be stamped out
We don't want or need these people. British society and culture will only degrade further. Lock the doors, stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" when the EU law makers try to complain.
do not forget DAVE wants this scum here so that not only will thay thief but we will allso pay and house them, aint we wonderfull.
If Cameron et al don't get a grip on EU immigration before next year then I foresee wide spread civil unrest. Ultimately I believe the govt may have to withdraw from the EU's beloved freedom of movement rules temporarily, we cannot allow a mass influx of criminals. If the government don't act then the people need to persecute these gangs ensuring they don't want to come here as we definitely do not want them!
and we call this progress and development.the only thing this is developing is the destruction of healthy law abiding society.
Another fine mess the Labour party got us into and the Tories are failing to get us out of.
With all of our thanks to the E.U. and to the British Government for your immigration laws, Come on UKIP get us OUT of the EU and get rid of the criminals in the immigrants,no matter where they come from legal or illegal.
You make me laugh!! Like this never happened before the " invasion"? stop the scaremongering...this has been happening since year dot in one way or another in most countries all over he world!! - Hev , Perth, Australia,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not in Australia thou as you have the right idea to keep the ones out that cannot pay their way.......or can us Poms join you.
This has always happened everywhere in the world. It's not just Roma, it's not just in Paris. Oliver Twist, anyone??? By the way, in the 4th picture, the woman is using a ticket distributor to buy a metro ticket; it's not a cashpoint.
Can we not introduce them all to a bleeding heart liberal once they arrive?
The Government will ignore this. They have no idea of the real world or what the people want.
and a tidal wave from Portugal "could" engulf the south of England, and the world "could" end tomorrow. Give it a rest., we're not all slow on the uptake.
I'm so glad we're in the EU. Freedom of travel is such a good idea! Knowing our stupid country, we'll caution them and let them go, just to do it again and again.
Aren't open borders great!!!!!!!!!!
My mother had her pin number taken when she was withdrawing money at a Lloyd's bank COUNTER and was then followed , distracted in a busy shop .and her card stolen. She was 85, these gangs target the elderly. she has never been the same since. Annoyingly,the bank clerk saw this happen, said she had tried to run after my mother but did not have the sense to stop the card. She did get her money back but she is now frightened.
it gets more depressing with each passing day, feel so sorry for the young people of this country no jobs and hundreds of unwanted foreign people arriving each day, this country is finished
Cue the Oliver Music
I was pickpocketed for the first time in my life in Paris recently by a group of Roma girls with a petition. Luckily, all I had in my pocket was my metro day card, though they still took it (had to get a new one afterwards). Still, this and another attempt by a Roma boy to scam my husband at a train ticket machine helped to pretty much spoil the memories of this Paris trip. It's a shame such groups of people are allowed to travel so freely in Europe and get away with their crimes, ruining the experiences of tourists. Beware all who visit Paris this year! I have never seen it as bad as it is now, and you can literally see how many of these marauding groups there are everywhere.
Cameron close our borders we have enough of this Crap here already.
We have a family of Romanians/Bulgarians selling the Big Issue outside of local shops, they don't bother anyone but they are now classed as self employed (for selling the Big Issue!) and get all the benefits, tax credits that go with that, we have no hope in the future, you think the national debt is bad now.......
Sad to say, many of us are naïve to who is watching, but so is our government for letting trash in to our country & communities. Roma people are just what they are, always have been & have the name to match. There is nothing new about them. Read history, human nature does not change.
Groups of Eastern European pickpockets have been in the UK got years. I caught a girl trying to steal my mothers purse about 10 years ago!!
We control the speed of cars, trains even what we eat and drink, but somehow controlling the volume of people coming from the EU is prohibited. Whoever asked Romania to be part of the EU needs their head examined, it was obvious this was going to happen from day one. There really are some incompetent politicians out there which live in another world, or Brussels.
This will be the legacy of Blair, Brown and now Cameron which we will inherit. Welcome to the UK!
Just wait until January with the other lot coming into this country. It can only get worse if Cameron doesn't listen. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Vote UKIP!
Pick-pocketing has been a British tradition long before mass immigration.The demographics of the perpetrators has changed a bit. That's all. - Whatever ,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>maybe so, but we will also be giving them money and a house to stay......double whammy.
Well here's a suggestion .....ATM's should be enclosed like telephone boxes and only one person can be admitted with the door locking behind you. The ATM number panel should be almost completely surrounded in a metal arc so that a bystander outside can't see the pin code being punched in. Its not foolproof but it would stop harassment whilst using the ATM and ensure privacy for the customer.
There is a deeper problem here, firstly immigration is a system on its knees and is unable to cope with the influx of either asylum seekers or illegals entering the country, secondly these are children being exploited by Adults to do their dirty work. Yes they are of an age where they know right from wrong but you can bet there is an Adult in the back ground taking the ill gotten gains from the kids. TIME TO PUT A STOP TO IMMIGRATION TILL WE HAVE SORTED OUT THE BACK LOG OF ILLEGALS AND DO WHAT AUSTRALIA DOES LOCK THEM UP HAVE STRICT QUOTAS THAT CAN BE MONITORED.PROPER BORDER CONTROL.
Deport them a.s.a.p. before they multiply. 40 years ago everything was so healty! Now all the rats are multiplying everywhere!
Nothing new here , it started with young street gangs sent out by their parents 20 years ago.
This is not something new! You'd see it from a time ago! And the same French authorities n medias know it (and always do reportings about it).... but the problem is "the human n children rights" n the open eu borders! I love Paris! It's a beautiful city to visit but not to live... Bc it's a chaos!
It is how they live. Roma, Gypsies, tinkers, travellers, whatever politically correct term or euphemism you give them they do not work for a living. They are predatory on people who do.
they really dont want to bother me
When I was in Rome a few years ago - a pickpocket slashed my ruck sac with a knife but I only had a bottle of water in it. I hope the police crack down on them. My bug bear at the moment are the begging gangs on Oxford Street and Edgware Road. I know they're gangs because I've seen them on one of the side streets huddled together chatting away. The police have tried to clamp down but all they do is move and regroup somewhere else . I'm not interested in their nationality or where they're from I just would like them off the streets.
I doubt we will get many pickpockets in North Wales - our pockets are empty due to the financial depression and I hate London with a passion reserved only for Satan so there is no worries about me getting dipped there either.
At least they dont pick your pockets and behave like they are superior and you inferior like the royal family.
this started with tony "let em in" blair, just so he could further his career, he should be arrested and tried for treason against the british people, he knew what he was doing driven by his careerist attitude, and he got the idea from "how much can i rip the european tax payer off for"......the kinnocks . the reason the NHS is in crisis is cus so many people are using it, cus theres so many people here, the BBC supported all this too with "youre a racist" if you even thought the word immigration and how the country couldnt cope, plus the union leaders, so called fighters for british workers, but actually support mass uncontrolled immigration, stuff the effect it has on british worker jobs......................my opinion anyway.............................vote UKIP, save this country whilst it can be saved.....................
Just chop their damn hands off!
I think I might set a trap for these rats. I'll have a wallet sticking out of my pocket so the scum will steal it. Then when they open the wallet - surprise, surprise, they won't do it again.
My friends witnessed this at the Gare du Nord last Saturday, a US tourist was distracted, put his bag down to help and the next minute his bag was gone, with passport, laptop everything. They later boarded a train at Gare St Lazare, put their bag on the overhead rack, a guy pretended to move it along and they saw him walk off the train just before it pulled out - their phone was missing from the side pocket of the bag in the rack.
France has deported 18000...did I read that right Mrs. May? How many have you deported?
I live in Milan, originally from the UK, and this sounds like exactly what's happening here. The only difference is the Italian police are so corrupt they don't even try to assist in public places like train stations or tourist sights. There's about 3 members of staff at each metro station and you can often see two vagrants at each ticket machine offering 'help' to u suspecting tourists. There's no one to protect these people from what seems like a nation of thieves and manipulative beggars.
The European Union has failed. Good on the Germans for saying it like it is. Its not racism its the TRUTH! We can't say anything about the Chinese invasion in Australia because you would be charged under a Human Rights violation.
People .. Be prepared and be street smart! I got my iPhone stolen in Italy last year at a local restaurant and it was very annoying. Dont mean to be mean but these people are easy to stop because of their clothing ..
shut the damn gates enough is enough now this country can not take anymore people in we have our own people we can not even look after let alone some scroungers looking for an easy ride which this counrty has given to most!
They are here in London already. Long time ago
The only misleading aspect of the headline are the words 'could he heading to the UK' The fact is they are already here !
In response to Jon, Dogtown: Of course, there are criminals all over the world who do these things. Let me point out some differences: - for them, this is a way of life, not crime. They train the children to do it. - there are people among them who use the kids to set up huge networks in the transports, stealing copper from railways/ electricity installations... Yet they still live in dreadful conditions. The money - a lot - goes to a few in Romania/Bulgaria. - when the police arrest the children, their parents don't come to get them. They have no proof of identity. so they let them go. In other words, a real problem for all Europe, not just the UK. As yet, I haven't heard any convincing solutions. I suspect that they don't want to change; to get rich, yes - but not to change.
When we welcome them over here we need to give them good housing and a decent level of benefits to prevent this kind of crime.
They are already here.
This nightmare is by invitation from the EU lovers of he Labour & Liberal parties. Our spineless gov polluted by Liberal MPs living mostly in country locations immune from most effects of uncontrolled criminal immigration, are doing nothing to block the impending tide of these criminals due 1 Jan; once here, Labour's HR Act, & Liberal's refusal to amend it will ensure unlike the current left wing French gov actions, we will never evict them. Sheer lunacy, referendum needed now, or our social structure will be destroyed.
I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago , you have to have your wits about you. Its odd I thought the French would,'t stand for the same PC nonsense that we do. Not only do we need to be out of Europe we also need a round up and removal policy.
This and previous goverments are sleep walking this country into a disaster We as a country never had a vote to allow migrants from the EU to come to this country .We are already on our knees Romania and Bulgaria will pay their scum to come to this country the mass invasion of this country next year should not be allowed happen.
Why were they ever let into the EU? The countries are near broke and are swarming everywhere else with crime. Sadly as our government does not care for the people, hundreds of thousands of them will come here and get away with it. They don't even deport the current ones we have that are criminals. This country is a pathetic shadow of what it once was.
I know where those first two pics are taken, that's up at Sacre Coeur. The Romanins are on a right scam up there thrusting a sheet of paper in your hand asking for money for an orphanage. The Parisians hate them
Isn't there enough crime already?
Trouble is Romania is happy to be rid of them and the liberal lefty politicians and social services are more than happy to have them amongst us as a sort of social project.
Don't let them in to Britain...We don't want them, we have enough already!!!!! It isn't our country anymore and I am not a racist just sick of my hard earned cash being thrown at,thieves,pickpockets and low life!
WE have the same problem here in ireland, they are just out & out thieves!! They just seem to come & go as they please from country to country robbing and stealing!! nothing will ever b done about it because there r to many do gooders out that support them! and so much for joining the EU
We don't need another countries low-life. We have enough of our own .
Bulgaria and Romania are wonderful countries now you dip sticks accomadate our filth. These people cannot change so they will not come to your standards so you will have to come down to theirs
They won't need to come over here and pick pocket - the government will set them up in a home, give them benefits and anything else they need while the majority of us go out to work and pay for it!!!
All to coming to street near you ! "Me no speaka da English, I ava uman rites, giva me money and an owse now " STOP IMMIGRATION NOW !
I don't think the people of this country have any idea what they are in for! Having spent quite a while in Rome and Naples I know that the Roma gangs just take whatever they want with impunity. If you do anything they either gang up and knife you or play the game with the police who arrest you instead! What has already happened so far here can be multiplied by 10.
Its already happening here. Vote ukip at every opportunity
The immigration has not gone away it`s about to hit us big time, get out of Europe send immigrants home Now.
We're told these people are coming here to work hard and save us from ourselves, but in reality they are coming for benefits and crime, ukip can save us
- ramblin rose , fertiliser, 18/7/2013 03:39. The only way to stop this is leave The EU. There is no other way.
Basically go in the bank and take money out or use ur card in the shop! The gangs won't go away we just need to be smarter!!!!!
Has ANYTHING good every come out of Romania? Or the EU come to think of it?
You can't cure a cancer by giving the patient an asprin, it has to be cut out. Close the borders to these thieving parasites and boot out those of them that are already here. The Camerfool in Number Ten will continue to twiddle his thumbs while the country goes down the pan. Vote UKIP if you want your country back.
Bulgarians are not Gypsies. So gypsies are disgusting! They steal, they not educated and this is the result..Awful. I am bulgarian and i don't steal. Why are Bulgarians and Romanians are guilty ...
Just got back from rhodes where they are begging in the streets there around the rhodes old town tourist attraction, the tour guide told us not to give money to them as they drug there children to make them sleep so you feel sorry for them and there were also children as young as 8 performing and playing instruments begging for money
I think you will find they are already HERE..
If Cameron or any other party leader supports this insane act of letting all these people into this country, they will forfeit any votes from the British public, they will just vote for UKIP. The big parties then will deserve everything they get. These people have not heard of the old saying when in Rome do as the Romans do, they do just as they have always done!! Why do you think they want to come here, richer pickings!!!!
I live in a area with high levels of Roma immigrants, in the last 7 years I have had about 6 different families living next door. I hate to rain on your parade but I've never had anything stolen, never been scammed or threatened. In fact appart from the noise I found them to be respectful and decent people....Plus I am pretty sure Paris has always had a problem with pickpockets and scammers
All these new people that will come, will they be entitled to use our already failing free Health Service? My Grandfather was one of many people who fought to have free Health care, it was once the best in the world, it is struggling now, what is it going to be like when this lot turn up, who have not paid a penny into the system and be entitle to other benefits as well. The Government needs to put more money into the shop floor, ie WELL TRAINED NURSES, and GENERAL CARERS that help with feeding, washing, etc.
Somebody shut the bloody doors - we are full and have enough trouble without inviting more!!!
We know what these people are like, why are the government allowing them to come here? 'defies all logic'.
The Human Rights lawyers will be rubbing their greedy hands with gleeful anticipation to help the scum to stay in the UK. God help us 'cos the politicians who have no idea about the real world won't lift a damned finger!
Which clowns let these people into the EU? The same ones that are now seriously considering Serbia for membership!!
'Sharia law' might be an idea. You don't see this going on in Saudi Arabia do you? Pickpocketing without a hand would be difficult.
Coming over for work what about our people my partner can't get work and he is prepared to do anything
This is not news? We all know this already! Dirty filthy people !
They are already here!
Its already happening in the UK, and not just Eastern Europeans. But more boarder control is still needed.
There no threat at all compared to the the Oxford and Cambridge educated gangs that pickpocket the whole of Britain from Whitehall /:) lol
Too late. It is already rife here, especially in London. Watch a documentary called the "Secret of the Pickpockets", this is not new information.
They're vile but then again this happens in Britain at the minute.
One of the most forceful arguments yet for us to leave the EU now. Vote UKIP.
These children are trained from childhood to steal - I worked over there for years and it is horryfing - they are brazen, they don't care, it is a joke to them and a serious business to the gangs controlling them - and they won't change - it's their way of life - forget democracy - forget pay your way - forget anything that is honest and good - they are dreadful people - as we know to our cost, as everyone knows, as the EU knows, as the government knows, as the UK embassey's in those countries know, as the Foreign Office knows, as the Home Office knows, as No 10 knows ......... Close our borders before January 2014. Start repatriating Bulgarians and Romanians already here - if you can't do it under the present laws - change them fast.
As someone else rightly pointed out, we entered the 'Common Market' for trade purposes - finis! The populace of this country did not sign up to being flooded with the 'undesirables' of Europe!!! It's an absolute joke...and its entirely down to our lying, thieving so-called politicians - who in my opinion are even more undesirable than the Roma gangs in France. And notice how the term 'Roma' is used so extensively - why are these people not referred to by their true name of 'Gypsies'? I'll tell you why...because anyone with a couple of active brain cells knows what Gypsies are all about!
Keep letting them in your country. You have no one to blame but yourselves. - Red , podunk, United States, 18/7/2013 Yes Red, unfortunately there are idiots in this country who continue to vote for the political parties who do just that. There are a sizable amount of people who despair at the prospect of more of these lowlife coming in to the UK but short of violent protest can only stand by and watch as our wishes are ignored time and time again.
These pickpockets are not Romanians. They are gypsies from Romania. Can't wait for the squeegee mobs to start blockading Downing Street. This is part of the deliberate plan to demolish national borders and dissolve the idea of the nation state in preparation for a one-world government. David Icke proved right again. It's chilling to see the plan unfolding just as he predicted all those years ago. Don't forget the red arrows please.
PLEASE WILL SOMEBODY HAVE THE B*LLS TO STOP THEM COMING> THIS COUNTRY IS IN A BIG ENOUGH MESS ALL READY. YES I AM SHOUTING, IT'S CALLED DESPAIR!!!!!!!
they are already here and more coming and the sheep do nothing about it.....so stop bleating and get your pokets picked you spineless people..do you realise its not just the govt that has thrown your country away its YOU who have stood by and let this outrage happen because you are too spineless to fight back..you should be ashamed of your selves................
Dave do something, ..... close the door before its too late.
It's like Fagin and the Artful Dodger all over again. The difference being that they were hanged.
Voting LibLabCon will destroy our country.
its already here,
I was born and raised in Lithuania and I'm used to Roma people. I remember my parents telling me never speak or approach them in any situation. Now I understand why.
It's not just pick-pocketing: gangs of burglars fly into Beauvais for the day on low-cost flights from Romania, team up with their contacts already installed in France, and go around the villages to the north of Paris doing burglaries before flying home again - I think the loot is disposed of by their contacts in France.
Re: picture 'having his collar felt'! That's the way it should be done, but can you imagine that happening here in UK. What, that boy would have the policeman's number and be off to the court of Human Rights and then sue the police for assault! And what's more - they would pay up!
My daughter lives in Germany, she said you have to keep your pets locked up because they even steal them, not sure if it's to eat them or skin them? probably both.
They are already here living in Hyde Park and turning the place into a rubbish tip, remove them now !
And still Cameron will not make a stand and issue a blank refusal to the EU, refuse to allow ANY of the expected influx of immigrants into this country at the end of this year. For goodness sake man, find some backbone and do what is RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY!!!! The Mail has recently highlighted the problems Germany has with these people, so do we need to import the same problems here? Stuff the EU, their rules and regulations, DON'T LET THEM IN.
Nothing new - these scum were operating similar scams 25 years ago on the metro. They grabbed my mum's purse but didn't know my husband and dad were standing by the exit and my dad grabbed 2 of them and suddenly the purse was thrown into train floor. They operate in packs and solo travellers are easy targets. Pure scum!
MP's !!! you have no idea what you are doing to your country , you all live in your ivory towers and see nothing of the devastation you have caused, let some real british people sit in the house of commons, you might learn something !!!!!
My brother lived in France in the late 90s and it was a massive problem then too.
One word UKIP otherwise you reap what you sow, when we go to the polling booths remember the last 10 / 15 years with the three main parties and what they have done to this country and vote with your head and not the heart.
Let them try. If they try getting in my pockets they will only get moths and cobwebs
Love it when the real world breaks through the Westminster bubble .... the trouble is the break through is always too arriving. Our top level politicians simply react, instead of direct, if the subject matter falls in the too difficult to deal with camp. It will take the usual, politicians to be directly effected, before they take the issue seriously. And as usual it will be too late as the damage will already have been done.
The whole world know we are a pushover, commit crime and our human rights laws will rush in and protect them.grandfather fought for our freedoms surviving the Somme which many thousands died,I know what he would say if he could see what has become of his homeland. British bulldogs to British pussycats, Christ almighty what the hell is going on with our nation.
When we renegotiate our membership of the EU, the free movement of 'labour' is one of those things I would happily see the end of.
Hang anyone caught !!
I've just returned from a trip to Paris, and they are EVERYWHERE! A sign of things to come........
Need to vote for this to stop. We dont need these people. Britons are such an apathetic bunch. They think the government will look after everything . No ! Even UKIP cant turn back time, but I'm sure they will try. They will have my vote
'Could be coming here', more knicker twisting for middle England, more fun for the BNP.
I despair that our politicians are spineless to deal with this obvious problem and by January it will be too late. It's no good their approach to let them in and see how it goes. Or there will only be a couple of thousand. Labour said that there would only be 13,000 Poles that would come to the UK, there are now several million.
Hopefully the terrible news about the state of our hospitals will filter through to the rest of the world so people will be less likely to come here for free NHS treatment. Hopefully the news that welfare benefits are getting slashed, that you have to be able to speak English to get them, that there is no more social housing, that actually living in Britain is expensive even if you do get benefits will all have an affect and these criminals will leave us be. Which is all highly unlikely!! However, if we are fore-warned, we are fore-armed. Get the community police out and about all the time in crowds of people and arrest anyone caught pick pocketing. Councils should not give anyone a free house. GPs should turn them away. Shanty towns should be dismantled the second they are put up. They should then be put on a coach, with police on board and with a police escort and taken to the airport and flown back to Romania - immediately.
My wife and I just returned from holiday in France and we were astounded by these pickpocketers. They are everywhere pestering tourists, it's shocking to see it happen in Paris, I mean we have problems in SA but not on this scale. Let them into your Country at your own peril.
there is only one answer to this and that is for us all to withhold our council tax on mass, then they will listen to us and get us out.
I seriously cannot believe we allow such trash to come into our country. Everyone knows there needs to be tighter restrictions. We need to have some standards!!
The British people never voted for this future nightmare waiting to happen, I am sorry but I will voting UKIP at the next election, and I have been a Labour supporter all my life. This is so frightening to think that we can not stop this.
Er hello... McFly .... They are already here!!!
Living close to Paris EVERY single time I take the train there there are Roman children like 4 to 5 yo begging, also schooldays. Disturbing also that they are given money as it does not help their situation. They are being exploited by their parents and other Romas to go into crime. Also babies are seen constantly. I loathe it. In France and Europe there are many soup kitchens etc so they are not starving as some think. GO BACK. I live in a multi ethnic society, have friends from Nigeria, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil so I am not a racists with skin color, religion, etc. But I hate seeing Romas exploiting other people
I was in Paris in march and the people in the article are everywhere and believe me you need eyes in the back of your head. I was ok but my wife had no idea what was going on and she was upset at my approach to them when they came near with their fake petitions
Don't worry folks, the government will keep track on them if they decide to up and leave for the UK. - Did I just say that?
They're already here!!
Thieving scum. Get a real job!
Can I say such gangs already exist in uk and they are NOT Roma. However we don't need anymore scum here we have enough like the benefit cheaters. Child abusers. Pimps. Need I go on
COMING TO YOUR TOWN SOON...OF NOT ALREADY THERE.......................WELCOME WELCOME TO THE UK. Without a job, a place to live or speaking any English..why would they be allowed in.?
It's this continual nonsense that makes UKIP a genuine option...... we're all fed up and our government doesn't care, won't listen, ..... what do they expect us to do? Simply take it on the chin? We've done that for too long and enough is enough!
I visited Paris 17 years ago and everywhere I went there were Roma beggars, they were gathered under the Eiffel Tower in little groups. The old women sat in huddles sending young children up to strangers including me to beg, then they'd go back and give them the money and move back to the next person. I can only imagine how much worse it is now :(
DM is not saying they're not here. DM is saying there will be even more coming!
Be vigilant everybody! There will be much more of this sort of crime when the floodgates open again in January to squeeze in even more EU members.
ukip please
'Escape the police' with smiles on their faces. These propel are already all over us in the uk. They take the mickey and treat us like rubbish. ...and people wonder why we are sick of foreigners here? I'm not saying they are all the same, of course not but this is why they come to the uk, because they know we're an easy target. Our news said here when we opened the doors to the eu that crime would rise massively. Why allow it then? Of course it's because the people in power don't have to put up with it on their doorstep!!! They make us a laughing stock. Everyone I know says the same and is sick of it. Every decent hard working Brit we know plans on moving away, this oct try will be full of foreigners who don't care about it and ponce a free life.it has to end somewhere, with our once lovely country in the gutter. No one will be there to help us, they've tried and no one would listen.
2 years ago a rumanian kid stole my iphone 4 in Paris near the museum d' orsay, after going to the police to report this issue the told me that they can't do nothing because they are kids and in less than 2 hours they are released from jail after they pickpocket people. I am sure that after 2 years this issue is getting worst every day, I hope that france changes their law to punish this rumanian people that only want to grab people things.
Heading to the UK? they are already here!
Just stop a minute and consider the absolute lunacy of letting these people into our already broken country. This is serious business and we should be rioting on the streets about this, I cannot believe that we're just sitting back and allowing this to happen. Does anyone know of any demos or marches that are being organised against this? If you do, please let me know, I will be there
I have just returned from a Baltic Cruise where I was robbed in St Petersburg after 5 minutes of landing. My cards were cloned and we spent the rest of our holiday on mobile phones to banks - at great expense - and with little help from "authorities". Upon arriving back in Dover, 2,500 passengers from all over the World disgorged the ship - along with many international ship's crew with passports in hands. Nothing happened! We just walked from the gangplank onto English soil and were gone! The ship might have had an arrangement on board with HM Border Control but even so it sent out a very bad message. Incidentally, the best place we visited on the whole itinerary was Canterbury Cathedral as an afterthought on the way home. Our Civilised Society should be kept for us who have created it. Why is our Government exposing us to this danger? What is in it for them?
Yes, the Roma have been "marginalised" for centuries and have learned to live well outside the law, as one person already commented, but for me this always brings up the chicken-or-the-egg-first question: to what degree is the supposed racial prejudice they've encountered been the simple product of long-term disgust with their behavior? As a child, I held no contempt for them one way or another, but as an adult, I despise them for the horrible ways long embedded in their culture. Societies that have bent over backwards to try to assimilate Roma and give them opportunities to advance in honest, productive ways (pre-economic-crisis Spain, with school programmes, etc.) have been thanked by them with resistance, anti-social behavior, and crime run riot. Just like any incorrigible criminals, they won't ever change - herd them back to whence they came, then KEEP them there forever!!!
such is the curse of bieng in euro zone
One tip which happened to some friends and I in Paris two years ago. We were on a terrace and three of them had their phones on the table. Before we knew it papers were put on the table and there were three girls there begging. We said no and and they started to leave. Luckily a man saw and they had all the phones with them which they had taken as they put the papers down. He took the phones back off them. It was so fast no one had a clue what they had done.
They should have visas, no visas off you go back to where you were born! - fratia, Woodbridge, Canada, 18/7/2013 1:09 =================================================================== Be careful what you wish on us.They come here for the free healthcare to have their babies. Born here does not equal right to live here.
"English criminals do this too" - so what? And so let more (foreign) criminals in too?
Well if they know it gonna happen.....STOP Immigration and start to do proper checks on lorrys boats etc, because otherwise ur british people will be the ones going as they will take over its not right!
Far from attempting to confront this incoming surge of criminals, yesterday the government published a report from a "think tank" stating that unless the country accepts hundreds of thousands more immigrants we will not be able to meet future pension commitments due to falling birth rates. The clearest indication yet the government intends to do nothing to stem the tide. A totally cynical attempt to get us to accept the coming invasion as being for our own good. UKIP is our only hope.
These scum are on their way here, if they're not here already. Why does Cam-moron not listen to us? We don't want any more immigrants and thieves in our country. No referendum on Europe until 2017, why can't we have it now? Are we not sick and tired of their BS excuses. Things take so long to happen in any type of government. Why? If businesses ran this way they would be bankrupt.
The parents/guardians ofvthe thieving children should be located and deported.
vote ukip...its the only way to stop this happening to you!!!
They are already here and many more will be joining them soon, the government keeps ignoring all the warning signs, and now we face an invasion of peoples that nobody wants.
Cut their hands off. Problem solved.
Can someone please tell me ONE advantage that GB has gained from belonging to the EU that makes it worth accepting all the disadvantages?
looks like scenes from oliver ,where's fagan ,pick pocketing has being going on for decades,but if we keep letting in the european tribe it's going to get even more out of hand vote ukip
The EU in all it's glory !.
A Government's first duty is to protect its own people. So why isn't the British Government protecting the British people? Because it fears the EU more than it fears the British people. If you vote LibLabCON you are voting to remain in the EU and for this to continue. Use your vote wisely. Vote to leave the EU. Vote UKIP.
I have said this before and I will say it again, before long there is going to be one hell of a massive uprising in this country if this continues. The indiginous native British person has really had enough. We are tollerant, but now that is at breaking point. This damn government needs to get this sorted now!! Sitting on their hands is not an option. Once we have sorted that out we can then concentrate on roundng the rest of the ferals up and shipping them out - preferably on a rusty old boat with a leaky bottom!!
We need out of the EU and fast!!!!
The only answer if we can't stop them coming is to build more jails, imprison them for any offence they commit, and make life inside not the holiday camp it is. Also, lets be like the americans and australians and check everyone passing through our boarders, people don't seem to mind queueing in the USA and oz, so why should they complain here.
Yet another nail in the coffin - our caring MPs aren't interested, as it won't actually affect any of them personally - only Joe Public.
the Eu are all air heads. you simply cannot just open your broaders and expect nothing bad would happen. they should learn from China, When Hong Kong was handed back everyone wanted to come but they stoped it and set up broader patrols and visa system. The Roma have more bad then good.
Expanding the EU beyond the 12 countries was as huge mistake in social engineering. There is no nothing anybody can do until the EU breaks up.
They are already here. One of my customers was targeted while she was shopping in a local charity shop. Fotunately she had taken the precaution of sewing a little bell onto the zip of her purse, so it made a sound when the pick pocket pulled it from her bag. She raised the alarm, but the thief brazenly walked away and the only Police in the neighbourhood was one of those volunteer ones, who seemed reluctant to do anything.
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 YES they do Jon... But unfortunately that is OUR problem where we have to deal with OUR OWN criminals. We should not have to deal with foreign criminals whether they're from eastern Europe or not. If you are not from THIS country the moment they break the law they should be KICKED OUT - Plain and simple!! GET US OUT OF THE EU - VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The Parisian pickpockets are ruining a wonderful city. It must really be affecting tourism.
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 0:50 YES they do Jon... But unfortunately that is OUR problem where we have to deal with OUR OWN criminals. We should not have to deal with foreign criminals whether they're from eastern Europe or not. If you are not from THIS country the moment they break the law they should be KICKED OUT - Plain and simple!! GET US OUT OF THE EU - VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I don't know why the politicians let them enter this country. I'm sure that they don't really want an increase in health, social security, housing changes, not to mention an increase in the crime rate, so why can't something be done to stop this invasion of homeless, illiterate criminals? Come on Mr Cameron, you know you have a duty to do something quickly. If the Germans can't cope with them how do you expect us to!
Time to put pins in your pockets or maybe exploding wallets!!
We managed to prevent a young tourist being robbed a couple of weeks ago in the Louvre. She was approached by two well dressed people one of which attempted to put their hand in her bag. We moved the girl before they got anything and they just scarpered. We told the guards who went to look for them and they said that it is a huge problem; the Roma dress as tourists so they can't be spotted. At my local Metro station a Roma women was brazenly giving a man half a dozen mobile phones which had obviously been stolen. They are everywhere and are getting more aggressive. They'll flock to the UK as soon as they can.
I'm pretty sure this behaviour goes on in the UK already.. this is just horrible anti immigration propaganda - GH, Manchester, 18/7/2013 0:48.....No it is not anti-immigration propaganda. I live in London and in the last two weeks I have seen them living rough in a local park, seen a gang of them tackled by security guards for shoplifting in my local M&S, been stopped on the street by them to be offered stolen gold jewellery to buy, seen them begging on the Underground, had a friend be assaulted by one in the underpass near Hyde Park and seen them trying to operate on the Piccadilly Line at rush hour. My eyes do not deceive me!
They're already here and tens of thousands on their way. Our great country is a cesspit courtesy of Blair, Brown, Straw, Balls, Cooper, Harman et al - they should all be in the dock for treason - despise the lot of them
Roma what? These are nomadic gypsies, they don't belong to any country and they don't respect any law, please do not associate the name of my country with this. Call me a racist, but they deserve to be locked up in a reservation. I would say, if anybody comes to a foreign country with other intention but to contribute to its prosperity, having no respect for that country laws and citizens, they should be immediately kicked out and banned for life.
Keep letting them in your country. You have no one to blame but yourselves. - Red, podunk, United States, 18/07/2013 02:49 We have our politicians to blame. Labour or Conservative for being spineless and lying. The people will get their say in the referendum.
They have a human right to do whatever they please. We must not hamper this in any way
Visiting the tourist spots in Paris is miserable these days. It's now going to be like that here. If the police can't deal with the mobs around Park Lane, there will be no hope. There won't all get social housing - simply because there isn't any. However if you are a native, there will be no hope at all. The needy immigrants will always be prioritised over you, multiculturalism must be seen to be working.
I saw something similar in Berlin a few years ago. A well dressed woman would approach and ask if you could speak English. Her English was excellent (in every case).When you answered she would ask a banal question and you'd carry on. She would then send a signal to gangs nearby (like a race course tic tac man) pointing you out. You had been "marked". The unsuspecting tourist was then jostled and 'accidentally' put off guard as his/her wallet or purse was stolen. I noticed this and pointed it out to two companions. We stood back at a distance and watched. And it unfolded just as I have described. The gangs were Bosnian Moslems who'd fled to Germany and were fleecing English speaking tourist for fun.
They have a human right to do whatever they please. We must not hamper this in any way
We have been putting up with them for years and no-one was listening. Now that they are more visual in more affluent parts of London the media are reporting on them. Funny that. All we need is for them to take over Chelsea, Primrose Hill and the whole of Westminster and the politicians may act, and pigs might fly of course.
thanks Labour, good job.
Disgusting. This can't be allowed to go on, everything about this is wrong. This once great country (and I say Once Great) has to stand up for itself now and stop being so soft and letting itself being trampled over by the world.
Our politicians have known this for years and have done absolutely nothing to prevent them coming here.They will contribute nothing to this country but mayhem
To be fair, the woman using the 'cashpoint' is actually buying a metro ticket. It says quite clearly that's a ticket machine, not a cashpoint. She might still be using her card and PIN though so point taken.
The time will come very soon when we the people deal with them as the government seem unable to control our boarders.
They are a well known menace on the Metro. They are very intimidating, they threaten people with knives and violence. Is it any wonder that these peole are reviled wherever they go? We don't want them. We don't need them. They won't being us any benefit or advantage so why are we being forced to have them in our country against our will?
They were doing all of this and worse over twenty years ago on the streets of Istanbul. Ask the Turks!
scumbags all of them...robbed myself from one of these low lifes when asked why he did it he replied with its easy here in England because you are a stupid country and i can take want because you give it to me so i take it ..ha ha!!!
I think its a mistake to let them into England. I currently live in Paris and it is awful. I hate going on the train as they are there with their children trailing behind saying they have no money or food. They sit on the platform in groups and target people. But they are always dressed in lovely labellef clothing. It is scary and it would be a shame for the UK to go the same way.
In Britain they will automatically be given free houses and benefits so they will not need to pickpocket people when they get here.
Mr Cameron is more concerned with gay marriage, Granth wll being of his country, ignore the EU Mr Cameron keep them out, let them in at your peril, your Goverment will be out at the next General election.
Until MPs in their ivory towers are directly targeted they will never wake up to reality.
Another reason to leave this septic isle.
Send them to Strasbourg to live
Why do they all look like in breeds
These type of criminal activities have been happening for years in all the major European cities - years. Happened to me at a cash machine in Madrid five years ago. Also in the Gare du Nord in Paris. These thefts are well organised and they train and use there own children to commit the crimes. The problem is that under European law, children under the age of 15 cannot be help overnight in a jail and must be released to a parent or guardian that evening. The EU provides free movement to its citizens and there appears to be no interest to limit the movements of EU citizens who break the law and are not 'Good Citizens'. And so the cycle continues. Maybe time for an EU GOOD CITIZEN law - expel EU citizens who continually break the law?
Hundreds of thousands of them will come here, you can absolutely GUARANTEE it. Leftards of course claim it's only going to be a few thousands - that just shows how utterly out of touch the left are.
Theres some bad apples in every bunch. Leave them be as most want to work
When they eventually get caught for stealing, DEPORT THEM!
coming soon to your town....................
Stop them coming! We should renegotiate our EU treaties, we've done out bit and our beautiful little island is over run and bankrupt!
Utter madness importing people into your country when they have nothing yo offer. Vote UKIP and get us out now the EU is destroying this country
On their way to England in January
All the shouting complaining and moaning will have little or no effect whatsoever on the immigration problem we have , it will get worse and the general public will suffer through lack of services due to the thousands more coming into this country costing the taxpayers dearly for the need to pay for the services throughout ,this government as the previous ones are tied hand and foot to the program of immigration and unless we get a prime minister who is prepared to say enough is enough nothing will change.
But what have the French done? Not much as there are loads of these beggars and thieves in Paris. Sorry but they have not been proactive in Paris.
There is nothing at all the government can or will do.... It's all too late. The EU has got it's way and those who work the hardest will lose the most. Where will the money come from to pay the claims these people will make on our system???? Increase our tax? Don't we pay enough for the people of the world while our hard working people go without???? Who else is sick of these governments putting the world before it's own people?
When they eventually get caught for stealing, DEPORT THEM!
Heading to the UK eh? They're already here in their droves!!! I, and all my family and friends have had bags dipped, phones and wallets stolen while living in London - but these scum are all over the UK!! Throw the out ASAP!!
Theres already enough people picking our pockets including government.
Watch them claim police brutality and harassment when arrested and all the police bashers agree and ask that the bullying police cowards are sacked. You can't have I both ways police bashers
They will be letting moldova and Ukraine next and theyhave the cheek to not let the Turks in who are hard workers, in England theyhave security cameras why don't they stop them , and this is natural behaviour from these people they teach their kids at an early age I hope they realise before it gets much worse, just keep deporting them and moving them on until they have I where todo this and their begging also
This makes me so angry!!!!
Oh do shut up...this is what you all voted for and will continue to vote for if you put your X against any of the top three parties. You were warned so suck it up!!
Could be heading for the UK? Bit late, many of them are already here!
Exactly the same in Barcelona, the petition scam, Surely the police in these countries must be aware of the areas that these scum work, the bus driver made us aware, what is needed is good old fashioned police, who don't walk the other way.
it looks all staged. So if you stop them getting in here what country will you pick on next?
That girl with the pink shirt... she did attack me the moment I steps down a shuttle bus from CDG when I was in Paris recently... thanks to a Parisian who screamed out and scared the girl away...
Welcoming these people into the EU was like opening a large box full of hungry rats in the middle of a busy restaurant.
Once I was being helped with my buggy getting of the bus by one of them while the rest stole my phone. I couldn't believe it. This was 6 years ago so I guess it's just going to get worse.
Don't be shocked by photo's from Paris. Go into LONDON, they have been doing this since 2007 and possibly prior to that.
Take a good look at them folks. They're going to be coming here at the end of this year. Lock up your goodies, and be prepared for a bumper bundle of 'human rights' cases.
Did everyone not notice that the Russian Union did not work?
They are already here and nobody does anything about it , Politicians should get out and walk around the streets then they would see what a mess these people create this open door policy does not work close the door now !
Thank you all the do gooders for allowing them in !!
Social engineering thinking that by throwing rotten apples in the barrel they will improve and become acceptable .
This is what Britain can expect when the flood gates open they bring their crime with them and Cameron does nothing about this Europe and its open borders time to get out
Keep letting them in your country. You have no one to blame but yourselves. - Red, podunk, United States, 18/07/2013 02:49 I wouldn't, but its the idiots that run this country (MP's) that do !!! 😡
If they come in and commit crime throw them out!
coming to a town or city near you...........sorry, they are already here!
Coming to a town near you, very soon. Thanks Blair and Cameron, for turning our country into a cesspit of human waste.
I got done by them I gare du north. thought I was a travel wise tourist so when they approached us on the metro I so no thanks and walked away... they followed, which I was wary about but they were offering helpful suggestions. got to the ticket machine and my hands were clamped on my valuables (gave the oh the look to do the same). being distracted looking after my valuables and keying in the ticket details that these guys were helping me with, I didn't notice when he got the ticket out of the machine for me and slightly of hand swapped it for an out of date one. walked away thinking money &valuables safe. 5 mins later, I find I don't have a valid ticket. how annoying. clever scam though. in the heat of the moment, didn't spot it was very cross with myself.
Here we go again, Yawn..., Oliver Twist was neither Romanian nor Bulgarian.! I see the UKIP brigade's on the prowl again. - Minxj, Uranus, United States, 18/7/2013.......You are absolutely right. Oliver Twist was FICTIONAL. These people are on our streets now and in January there will be absolutely no barrier to hundreds of thousands more arriving. The open market and EU have a lot of pluses for the UK but for me I'm afraid the minuses outway them and yes I think it is time we as a nation took back control of our own affairs. Uncontrolled immigration has been, will be and always can only be at the detriment of those already here.
Another reason to close our borders. Stroll on the general election so we can get in a party that WILL do something, Not the old guard that are more concerned about there own political careers than the welfare of the people of this nation !!
Western Europe is the destination of choice for third world overspill seeking "a better life", as is the US and the other former English speaking British colonies. If things continue as they are there will soon be nothing and nowhere left to plunder and the entire planet will become a third world cesspit.
Grits, USA....what a mad comment.... the right to conceal and carry would stop this.... - Actually it would not, it would simply escallate robbery and pickpocketry to armed robbery (Because be sure they would arm themselves - even little kids), shootings, holdups, innocent bystanders being injured or killed,... and far more. Americans just don't get it do they - its called escallation, its exactly why nations disarm but at the base level you seem to want to rearm.
You see it already in London. Open your eyes
Get a grip, they've been here for years! Do you really think these people are here to benefit the country? They're here to fleece it, in any way they can!
And the ConLabLibdem consortium of liars, traitors, and conspirators, who are infatuated with the EU, will not take any action to prevent what is about to happen in the UK. Amazingly, Cameron is doing his utmost to have even MORE countries become members of the EU! The man is unbelievable and has not the slightest intention of ever allowing our removal from the clutches of the Brussels dictators. He is even worse than Blair, who opened the flood gates to imm---ants, completely oblivious to what might happen, whereas Cameron is fully aware of what will definitely transpire. The only hope is for everyone to vote UKIP and try to seize back control of our Government from the aforementioned liars, traitors, and conspirators. VOTE UKIP.........please.
Send them all to Brussels?
Don't go to London , it's a frightening place to go to . This horrifies me , that our country is being taken over by Europe's rubbish .
Feel the fear, feel the hate.
This Country is a joke, we open our arms to provide a better life for people and they throw it back in our faces by draining us & stealing from us!! This already happens in England
Thanks Mr. Clegg for keeping us in the evil shambles that is the dictatorial European Union.
Was thinking of returning to Paris as it has been years since my last visit but this has put me off. It is out of control. I noticed many Romanian beggars in Dublin last year - they are everywhere!
the Romanians and Bulgarians were pickpocketing at the Olympic games in London, we are opening our doors to these thieves, god help the uk we will need it.
Its not just London they are here in Portsmouth, I walk round my home city I feel like Im in a foreign country. you look round when you hear an English voice
Oh the culture that is coming our way!!! Don't you feel enriched???? Hope they decide to hang around outside the houses of parliament, never have 2 lots of people deserved each other more.
They really done their home work before letting them join the EU didn't they !....Give us a referendum now !
I like seeing the picture no 5, police on a bike grab that little boy by the collar of his jacket or perhaps even on his ear ... excellent! I bet the police in UK cannot do such a thing just in case he/she will be sued by the ahem ahem (coughing) you know who, and by the way the kids are so out of control ... they are criminal!
Romania and Bulgaria also have a rich history and culture you may be surprised to here.....
this is what happens when the people that tell you they are looking after you have lost control
It's worth noting that the Roma problem is well recognised in both Romania and Bulgaria. I do a lot of business in Romania and my contacts there say that most banks are changing their cash machines so they are indoors to prevent this loitering problem. In Paris it is now common to see a police officer near cash machines in tourist areas because of this issue. These are not poor people, they live well in Romania and Bulgaria but criminality is a multi-generational lifestyle chosen by many families. I confronted one woman in Bucharest last year and she said, "you have lots of money, we have little, that is not fair so we have to take it"
Was in Bruges in December and it seemed as safe as anything, and no warnings about pick-pockets. Then again in April and suddenly we were being warned by everyone about pickpockets, there were signs everywhere. I'm saddened that these people contribute towards a general zenophobia, but worse the misery that losing your money and wallet can cause. They look so proud of themselves. Ugh!
It is fuelled by the fact that western adults need looking after like children. they have been wrapped with cotton wool all their lives and now cant tell if they're being robbed. oh, well....
Although this IS a problem that could be heading our way, someone tried to pick my pocket at the Notting Hill Carnival 30 years ago! So pickpockets are already here! So this article is really just scaremongering! But it is also time that we close our borders to people who have nothing to offer in the way of job skills etc! And finally, ramchalice, London, United Kingdom we all know that will never be allowed to happen, although its a wonderful thought!
We know this is happening elsewhere. We know this will happen here and we are STILL not stopping it. Our Government should be protecting us from this sort of thing not just shrugging their shoulders and say there is nothing they can do. Disgraceful!!!!
We are being ignored! We, the electorate are not listened to! The only way is to stand together; form an impenetrable wall and stop them. Out them. Report them. Being passive, doing nothing or just moaning is helping this scum! Action, action, action!
My wife and I have witnesses these scenes of stealing on our visits to Paris On one occasion one of them actually stole two wheel trims off our coach !!
Soon we will have the pleasure of thousands of this type. Those in power won't have to mix, they don't give a damn. After all our P.M. Casually uses a helicopter ,M.P's have luxury homes to escape to, they live in an unreal world... Shut the gates, ban this king of criminal import before it's too late. 2015... Aint that far away..
That girl in the second picture laughing like it's a game! :@
The banks need to have more security guards, to save themselves money and the customers.
This article is not news, I visited Paris many years-ago and was told then about the problems in Paris , Its a shame because Paris is a lovey city.
Find your own news DM, this is in France.
There is plenty evidence to reason a mass influx of more of these people is most certainly against our national interest. We have a right to expect our government for protection by blocking their rampant invasion. If Brussels are incapable of common sense, then we should go it alone and place our interests first.
I live in Geneva and the Roma gangs are everywhere. Petty crime relatively unknown in Geneva before they opened the borders in 2009 is rife and the police can't cope nor do they seem to care very much. The most dangerous place is the main train station with very few CCTV cameras (and in general across the city) where I had to fight a Roma gang member on the edge of the platform to get my girlfriend's handbag back before three of them casually strolled off. How do I know they were Romanians? I saw them being arrested on local news a few weeks later and were well known to police who said once they had been deported would be back within a few days. Just imagine what it is going to be like in 2014!
Let's just get the hell out of Europe as soon as we can.
Lets all send them to Strasbourg - that would be good. But never happen - still you could have voted for Le Penn and we must vote UKIP - then they will be deported and the european dream (only for the rich, famous, political class and elite bureaucrat) will end. Use your vote properly next time.
We won't tolerate this for long. Trust me.
Believe me, if you go to PARIS sew up your pockets, do not report any incident to the POLICE or you will lose a day of your holiday probably end up losing a day of your break that costs you more than was going to be stolen. AS FOR THE IMMIGRANTS PERPETRATING THESE CRIMES, SCUM THE LOT OF THEM.
If you don't believe this article try a question under the freedom of information act to Thames Valley Police. How many Romanians have been arrested at a large shopping centre in Oxfordshire in the last three years?
They are all over Norway and Spain too, I hate seeing them begging for money. They almost snatch my purse when i was in the train when the door start to close. I really hope too the other EU country will close the boarder betweem them.
Lets hope the Government is watching this and stops them at the port of landing.
Why are police numbers being cut then ? If it's money,stop the tax avoidance and bailouts for bonuses... The biggest pickpockets are the privatised utilities...!
... and if they're bad as youngsters, imagine what they're going to be up to in 10 years or so. All politicians, especially Blair, who have inflicted this horrendous situation on EU countries, should be charged for their utter abuse of the democratic process. We need out and notin four years time, but immediately. Vote UKIP folks, WHATEVER your present political alliegance. There's NOTHING more important for the futire of your children.
They are already threre in the UK......people should just be very very careful ....most of the pickpockets are underage because here in germany they have to be released immediately and cannot be deported. If I were the law I would get at the people in the backgrouond - those who live in the safety of Romania in their luxury if not gaudy villas...those are the ones police need to catch- because they are the source!
The government will not stop the immigration waves. Vote UKIP. Problem is this government still has a year to go & we will be overrun by then. Forget about January the influx has already began. Coach loads arrive every week. They get dropped off on a Sunday by the park and disperse. The next time we see some is them begging & accosting people by the station/bus stops. Where the rest go I have no idea! Kids are often sent into the country without their parents & then become the responsibility of the state to keep them safe! They end up in the care system costing billions.
it seems as though there is a lot of anti Roma and Bulgaria propaganda. paving the way for another holocaust?
The good borrow, the great steal- all fun and games :)
We all became victims of the marxist left when Blair and his wrecking crew were entrusted with running this country.
and there was me thinking that immigrants were brought in to help the economy . VOTE UKIP
Blair what have you done, i'll be voting UKIP
Disgusting
What do you mean heading our way.There already here in droves.The rest will follow and add to the misery.Remember Gordon Brown said.lmmigrants are good for the economy..."No",how can this be good for the economy,when crime is being committed.
what have they got to lose? they will never be deported, and the worst we can do is three meals a day in a cushy prison.
what on earth will it be like in 2014 when the next lot of immigrants arrive this country is never going to be the same again they must do something now before it is too late .but i fear it is already too late britain is just not the same any more . been ruined by mr blair and co david cameron doesnt seem to be doing anything about it either.ukip seems to be the answer.
For God's sake Cameron do something about this now, otherwise the good British people who are so fed up of your inaction on this matter will do something themselves and I don't imagine it will be pleasant.
They were here 14 years ago and I was a victim when buying a ticket via a machine in an underground station. Two of them were next to me and I literally saw my £5 note disappear in front of my eyes, as if by magic! EU = floodgate and our border control agency has been inept or not fit for purpose 14 years ago! When we went on a cruise around Hamburg area, I also saw a woman with several kids standing in front of a border control agent, totally mute as if they could not speak English and I guess you know the rest of the story! This country is kind, stupid or inept and is easy picking for urchins from everywhere! EU abets the process!
For all of you who claim this as madness your are correct but you also have to blame yourself if you voted Labour and their EU loving scheme. This is the end of Britain's street and countryside . The UK will be a dead place when these rats are allowed in
English criminals do this too. - Jon, Dogtown, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 They certainly do so we do not need more criminal imported to this country, certainly without any checks on their criminal records etc. FOOL.
I agree that we need to close our ports to more immigrants but its a bit low to use this as an excuse. Not all Romanians and Bulgarians are thirds and its not as if London doesn't already suffer from pickpockets!
Use your common sense. Do not use cashpoints in crowded places and never use them at night. Go inside a bank to get cash out if you can. Take someone with you to watch your back whilst getting cash out. Do not allow anyone to stand in your personal space whilst you use a cashpoint....if they object to being told to get back or become agitated...WALK AWAY. Never get your purse or wallet out in public...e.g to give beggars money. Also, be careful when using your debit card in supermarkets. Very easy for the person behind you in the queue, or in the queue NEXT to you to get your PIN number and follow you.
Yup...coming to a street near you soon.
Disgusting people this is not what we voted for back in the day open borders is an absolute disaster
come january these people will be over the uk,goodbye country i have known,its been a pleasure living here but now its time to move on :(
What do you mean, "could be heading here"?... They are already here, and will be increasing in numbers.
We`ve had this for a few years here in Germany. I wish you all the very best of luck with the problem. But be careful, they can be very aggressive sometimes.Many just don`t know any other way of life. Give them Tony`s addresses. Maybe he will give a few pounds to some of them?
Yes this is what the EU is all about welcoming with open arms the scum of Europe. We should all remember this the next election,vote Labour and you will have no chance of getting out of the EU, vote Conservatives and they will keep conning you with the empty promises of a referendum,vote lib Dems and they just want the whole world living in the UK!Yet we are told we live in a democracy where we and our votes count....as if!!!!
It's a good job indigenous Brits aren't criminals! Phew!
I was a target in Italy once and lost quite a bit of money. When it was reported to the police, it was obviously a common occurrence. The police was aware of this problem and unable to do anything about it. The Italians were fed up with this. These Roma Gypsies operate in the streets, on buses, trams and trains. Be especially suspicious of women holding babies in their arms and children sometimes holding placards or balloons to distract the victims while someone goes through their bags and pockets. Strangely enough, I always have trouble finding my purse in my handbag. They didn't. Do not hesitate to chase them away as they will purposefully "crowd" you. I was targeted several times afterwards and did not hesitate to threaten or shout at the children to stop them from coming anywhere near me. Do not feel sorry for them. If they are begging, they are not after your donation. It is just a distraction to allow someone to pick through your pockets or bags.
Watch out good citizens, stand together, close the doors
Politicians of all colours are to blame because of their cowardly refusal not to stand up the dictates of the EU - Richard, Khon Kaen, Thailand, 18/7/2013 2:45--------------------------So who elects the politicians? You cannot claim you have not been given enough warnings in the past 50 years.
Britain is a ticking powderkeg waiting to erupt
I stopped using cash point's ages ago. If I need any cash, I go inside the bank and get it from the cash desk or most of the supermarkets in the UK give up to £50 cash back. Either in the supermarket or the bank, I always cover the keypad with my free hand. It's worked for me so far.
But this is in France and not UK? Many things "could" happen here DM. It "could" rain next week!
There you go! One of the benefits of being a member of the EU. Let's hope they take over the center of London and then see how our illustrious politicians react. We are being invaded by a bunch of thieves, all because we are EU members. So here we go again-ripped off and disrespected by people who have open borders to cross. This could be the main reason why we get out of the EU. Keep up the good work Cameron-complain and do nothing!
My elderly mother had her purse stolen from her bag by an east european thief and it wasn't in the city but in an average town. These parasites are already among us and need weeding out and sending back from whence they came.
We should not accept this. Round them up and send them back immediately before ambulance-chasing lawyers get involved. I will drive the bus to the airport if needed.
How can the French deport so many with apparent ease, when it is so difficult for the UK. Maybe they don't have so many human rights lawyers, or maybe they realise that any fine - assuming they pay it to the EU - works out cheaper than allowing them to stay.
Sew zips onto your pockets, especially your jacket inside pockets. Zips on your jeans back pockets too. An ex-pickpocket once said!
Please don't be put off visiting Paris. It's not all bad here. 1. Do Not talk to anyone asking you to sign a petition no matter how friendly they seem. 2. Use cash points located inside banks during opening hours.
Doing what they do best. Horrible nasty people. Kick them out
Is this really anything new? Large cities being targeted by pickpockets in the middle of the tourist season? I remember being warned about this before going to Paris when I was 15..... I am now 67! As the French say, 'Plus ca change......'
This is not new, we were warned several years ago in Paris , and "rescued" in Rome where they. where to seperate couples and then steal. luckily a local resident saw what was happening to my husband and I and shouted at the Roma criminals , it is certainly not new in London and we have been aware of it in Cambridge for some time.
Sadly this was already happening in Glasgow a couple of years ago- same pattern- the police to be fair were pretty good at raising awareness and moving them on. Not sure if they've been moved out (the country) but we don't need or deserve this. The fact that this is a cultural norm for the Roma (see pic of gang running away) is disgusting.
Whatever the benefits of being in the EU, it is not worth destroying the social fabric of the UK for. It's already happened to a great extent, but let's not make it any worse. We must substantially withdraw from the EU, there are more effects than the economic ones.
And if we don't get out of the EU NOW we will have to put out the welcome mat for these creatures here. G Barthjolomew East Sussex
Globalisation at its worst.
This is nothing new. We live in Hove and around 5 years ago had a knock at the door only to find three Roma women dressed in Gypsy clothes holding babies along with several poorly dressed boys. One of the women said something like "We hungry, money please"...we would not give them money but offered them several items of food which they declined. An hour or so later, I drove past this same gang who were stood on a nearby street corner counting money and laughing...the boys by now had changed into Adidas style sportswear!
COULD be heading to the UK! here already!
No matter how many times the newspapers report this, things will not change. Our government, whoever is in power will not stop this mass immigration. I'm afraid our England as we all now it is doomed, unless we have a in out referendum now, then we can start deporting this scum.
I do not wish to be "dramatic" but this is such! The courts need to get tough with them and i mean "tough!" The law needs to be changed to "accommodate" these kids, and to get them off the streets! Find out who their parents are and prosecute them,and if necessary deport the lot of them, i will not accept that "they have human rights" simply because they are already causing chaos in other countries and no doubt will add to the ones operating here! We cannot and must not let this continue and furthermore have to "erase" this! The warnings from France and Germany are plain enough, sort it or take the consequences!
Come to soft touch Britain,we'll look after you!
Well you people vote for left wing trash and this is now what you have - sadly coming here in the millions soon because all the political euroloving elite have enforced this on us. But we vote for them. You should have voted Le Penn and we must vote UKIP.
DM they are here already.. somebody I knew had experienced this lately, . while entering her pin on a cashpoint, distracts my freind with a question then the other upon memorising her pin, she then cancels the transaction to get the card and ready to run. but my freind saw it, grabed the card and fought with it. she ran ro the next shop but they still followed her inside. Called the police but they didn't come, instead she was fetched by her husband into the shop..... What im saying is, 1-Stop this immigration, only allow those who can contribute to thw economy and deny those who will ask for benefits, get real.. brirain is no longer great britain like it used to be... 2-Too much police cuts, we need mire police on the streets, we want bodies not cameras. ..
It's time now for the government to stand up to Brussels and say, NO! From what I understand, policies which are hatch in Brussels are NOT legally binding in the UK. Hence the reason why we have a government and legal system.
They're already here...
I just don't get why those 2 large groups of Roanians are able sleep in the street in large numbers outside an iconic monument in Marble Arch and also on Park Lane and have not been sent home or arrested . It is obvious they are working Oxford Street and making a fortune from tourists and how did they all manage to get here and setup home in the heart of London and nobody reports on it !!!
"could be"? - I think you'll find that those already not here WILL be
Betrayed by our politicians, courts and the EU. Basically the people who run the EU run it for themselves. The free movement of people is a disaster and should be stopped immediately.
Labour parties Legacy allowing open borders Labour never again!!!
Just what does it take to make our politicians see the light?
I am from romania and been living in london for 11 years now ...i worked very hard and still do but because of these people i suffer a lot just because i am romanian ....it is not fair to put us all in the same pot , my kids were born here , they go to school here and i am really greatfull to this country because i am able to offer my children a better life here , but because of them we can not walk with our heads up feeling guilty somehow even if we didnt do something wrong.
They've (kids)been jumping red traffic lights for years in London, the curse of this Euro nonsense! they're just not civilised, clean & decent enough to live with normal decent humans.
get them back to their own country
theft is not a crime, or Gypsies allowed to steal. Roma children are innocent. bankers are the biggest thief usurer. Island convicts who produces nothing but famous throughout the world of cruelty and cunning quirky.
There coming !!!!!!!!!! Be afraid
Round them up and ship them to deserted island. How about we rent out the Falklands, bring the islanders here then use it as a dumping ground.
You don't think they're already here ...?
Here's a thought, put a loaded mouse trap in your pocket and wait for the howls of anguish when one of them is nicked or better yet, have an air tight change purse, part fill it with cayenne pepper, pressurize it and put that in your pocket.
They are already here
So we all blame the Roma!!!!.... IT'S OUR GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE DOING THIS TO US......THEY ARE DELIBERATELY RUINING OUR CULTURE BY LETTING THESE PEOPLE INTO OUR COUNTRY'S...... WAKE UP SHEEPLE ...... SPREAD THE WORD
Surely this is a good reason to leave the EU. We do not want "open borders". Why have the French police not detained and then the French deported these creatures. We don't want them. AT ALL. London MUST NOT become like Paris.
gypsies and Roma's create many many problems for countries I know because we have them in Slovakia, they don't work, they live from daily crime, they are experts of making kids, far too many problems
Bring in Saudi law, Chop their hands off.
This is what the EU wants they want the countries and its people to be turned upside down. I am really starting to think that their is a bond villain behind this, because surly common sense would dictate that Romania & Bulgaria, have no right to be in the EU since their corrupted country is in a state beyond repair. For years we have been disillusioned by the games played by politicians and the government, people have NO say in Britain. Britain is no longer a free country.
They're already here in Aberdeen. Organised gangs selling The Big Issue, children begging and women digging around the supermarket dumpsters in broad daylight!
And in 6 months time - - - - - - -. Looks like David is in denial - again.
Two scams that were recently tried on us in Paris (luckily we didn't fall for them) 1. Someone will be walking along side you on a busy street and will suddenly go "oh!" And bend down and appear to be picking something up off the pavement. The something is a gold ring. They will then try to engage you in conversation asking if it is yours, claiming it doesn't fit them so "it's your lucky day!" They will try to make you take the ring. If you take it they will then hound you for money, we saw it happen, it's quite frightening. 2. Outside cafes especially near the Gard de Nord, children will come up to your table asking to eat your left overs as they appear starving.... What they're really doing is looking for wallets, phones, handbags etc. I also had a couple of instances where Romanian women tried to stop me on the very busy streets by the department stores, I put my hand up and pushed them away. Paris is an amazing city as long as you are sensible and keep your belongings safe!
Our politicians from the present major parties are IMPOTENT on acting on this CRIMINAL activity. It is out of their hands , they will claim. That's because the real power to govern this country comes from the dictorial EU. I will be voting UKIP for any chance of a democracy.
GET US OUT NOW
Send everyone back and leave the EU.
Governments across Europe have sold their voters short... yes we all wanted free trade, we all did not want open door uncontrolled immigration that puts public services under strain
Oh c'mon, this is just crazy sensationalising! It's not that I like criminals or anything but if you look at it like that, anyone COULD be coming to the UK! And the COULD also be going to America! But then again they COULD just stay put and not go anywhere. We all COULD do anything!
Give them the boot! Close the boarders to anyone coming here "looking for a job" and allow those who have already secured a job in. They steal our benefits, causing huge strain and now they want to pickpocket the general public who they are already stealing from.
I feel sorry for you guys letting these vermin into the old country.... I'm just glad we made the move.....
I've been to Paris twice this year and had no problems at all.
Something has happened to us as a nation in the last 50 years and it is not good. We have been sold off and sold out.
They disgust me. If anyone muscles in to my personal space when using a cash machine, they will be shoved away.
If we get mugged can we put in a bill to Mr Blair as a victim of crime as it was surely him and his criminal gang that allowed this to happen. Now Cameron do something to stop the next round of criminal influx.
Filthy scumbags. We know they do this with impunity, we know they're here already, so what is the government going to do about a clamp down? Any foreigner who commits a crime in the UK should at minimum be ejected immediately from the UK. The government needs to pass tougher laws to deal with this impending problem, so the UK does not look an easy stop off point. The Roma's use children for these pickpocket crimes and shoplifting because they know we're soft on crime.
Why should they be allowed in our country, the Government is weak, they pander to European Laws that no British Citizen I believe ever voted for. Hopefully they will not make the border, if they do, just pop them on a plane and send them back, just like they did with the Romanian Gypsies recently. I would rather pay the airfare for ten than work the rest of my life funding them long term. The same goes for all other foreign nationals that come here for a so called better life, if they don't contribute to society, send them back. You wonder why the NHS and the welfare state is in crisis.
try the main Station in Frankfurt , full of Roma, begging and stealing , plain clothes cops are targetting them but it reallyis cat and mouse
They are proper scum bags. Any one with no money and no education or a good knowledge of english should be allowed into the country.
Despicable scumbags thats why im leaving the uk asap i cant bear reading these stories anymore!! Our tiny once great country is a distant memory now!! And the worst is yet to come!!!
This isn't new - I was targeted by a gang of Romanian children in the same way in Cologne in the mid-80s. They shoved some paperwork under our noses and crowded round us; fortunately we knew what they were up to, and they weren't able to steal anything. We stood back-to-back and scared them off, but they were so blatant about it. Nowadays we'd probably get sued for shouting at them and pushing them!
Do we really want these people in the UK or the EU, kick them out and lock the door firmly shut.
Lets hope the 'Brainless Clown' who advocates that we need more immigrants - is the first to be targeted by these thieves next January !
The scumbags are already here, two followed my 80 year old mum from the bank to a charity shop and as one talked to her the other slashed her bag to make her purse fall out. Mum's a gutsy old bird, saw what they were doing and shouted there's thieves in the shop so they ran off. I had the local television news and newspapers cover it but they were never caught. Scumbags I say again.
and when it arrives here we'll issue community service orders, a slap on the wrist or take no action in case we infringe the scums human rights. Why wouldn't they have their eyes (and thieving hands) firmly set on the UK?
UK today - Politicians, Bankers and Corporations dipping one of our pockets, Eastern Europeans the other, watched over by a series of weak, i'm-all-right Cabinet Ministers and well-to-do, HoL members. They really do hate the good people of this fine country and look down on us from the well-got high positions that we entrusted them in.
Let no one ever say we weren't warned.
Another Labour gift to the UK. As they promised "we will change the face of the UK forever". How right they were.
Well the Romanian and Bulgarians have a lovely reputation around the world. Everyone will get tarred with the same brush all because of these awful people. Its disgusting we're letting them in to rob people. No-one should be let in if they have criminal records and if they commit a crime they need to be deported.
The only action that will save Britain is that they must close the borders, which also means dumping the EU, now, later will be too late.
and we welcome them with open armd. How spineless can a government be? impose 100% border checks and introduce stalags to house them, make them they are back home
@ ramchalice02:54))))))))))) yes there is a God in heaven ( and some who follow his commands on earth) .....check it out in the bible, and see what Jesus says about money and greed. If there was an equal distribution of resources and less greed within Gov
wear a money belt close to your body, even better, under your clothing. We really have to start taking action. If for whatever reason someone, child or adult approaches me whilst at a cashpoint I start screaming and shouting. I now never use outside cashpoints.
well if they do come to the uk. they will be made to feel welcome. if they commit crimes, they have no worry of going to prison. and once they are on uk soil. there is definately no fear of being deported. and all there human rights will be acted on. the land of the soft and laughable crime ridden island... welcome to the uk
Don't look forward with exited anticipation to a referendum in 2017, even in the unlikely event that the UK votes to exit, by then it will be too late, they will be well established and impossible to remove, lets be honest, the England that we knew and loved, sadly is finished.
It can only improve Britain The bankers do far worse and stay clear of the law.
And it won't be long before the accusations of racism start, which of course will be upheld in their favour, and they get huge payouts in compensation. So for the record-- I will never like, trust or tolerate thieves, intimidating gangs that prey on the unsuspecting innocents or those that lie, cheat or abuse a system for their own gain- irrespective of their nationality. However, I will find it all the more galling and take it a whole heap more personally if any person comes to my country as a guest, with the sole intention of committing such crimes. This goes for those arriving here, with no intention of working or contributing, just here to free load our welfare, education and NHS systems and bleeding it dry. Politics and blame mongering for who is responsible for this situation aside, behaviour like that from anyone, especially a guest, is selfish, despicable and morally wrong, whatever nationality they are
that's really sad, as its a horrible experience when you feel like you have to have eyes in the back of your head when on holiday. Rome was just as bad, St Peters Square they were everywhere. Having just come back from new York, what a difference. I felt so safe and after one day didn't think twice about being mugged or pickpocketed. its a really safe city. after the zero tolerance they have kept it a wonderful city for visitors. London, paris and rome need to do the same, dump the eu human rights nonsense and take their own countries back.
I think us Brits need to stand up for this country and say enough is enough! Something needs to be done, a protest maybe??? I know that this would be attended by many. I have 2 small children and I am petrified about the country that they are growing up in!!
It's everywhere the same. They are doing it also here in Germany with "high profession". And they're using mostly children under 14 years for this kind of "job" because there isn't a direct punishment for kids of that young age. When the police catches them, they say nothing, know nothing and have nothing (no papers or any documents of name, age and origin). Than they put them in protectory - and they jump out of the window and are gone. There's a 13 year old girl here who made 170! jobs like above in just a half year! Our friendly and harmless conditions are used for stuff like that without raising an eyebrow. Our governments have to roll up their sleeves now, It's insolent towards the entire population. I'm also a bit sorry for those children, the only thing they're learning from their parents is something like this here. Their education will be a joke and this will be going on and on...
Three cheers for the European Union.
The French and Germans were the prime movers behind the open borders, so why are they moaning. I am afraid that it's now time to take to the streets over this, while the streets are still safe to walk. Is this the kind of country you want for your children. Well, is it??????
This immigration is ruining my quality of life. All the government is doing is creating an aggressive society where you can only walk the streets with trepidation !!!
France...... where is your voice? This is ruining your country.. and Germany?!. If they come here and try this on people here then there will be BIG trouble for them.... oh ...is that right?...... nobody defended a taxi driver in Dudley the other day when a woman tried to steal his living wage from him - apart from one pensioner. This calls for a different mind-set from people in Britain... we WILL NOT accept crime like this against people on the streets. We WILL NOT accept slum housing, dirty people and prostitution here. We WILL NOT let them sleep and camp in the parks and open spaces of Britain. ... will we?
They are cheekier than the rats they resemble,,At least the real rats know their place in society,,They only come out at night.....Fagan would,nt even entertain this rubbish,,I just praise the lord that im poorer than a church mouse..........
What do you mean " they're heading to the UK"? They are already here ! Millions more due in soon. Get us out of the EU and get rid of this mass scum. Vote UKIP to get us OUT of the EU well before the 2017 "maybe" referendum.
Instead of whining, do something about it, break those habits of a life time and vote for someone that WILL do something about it.
Well look forward to that NOT thieving scum thank you Tony Blair but its ok for you isn't with all your millions.
Sadly this isn't new. I can remember when my husband and I had a similar experience in Rome in 1978! We only got away from them when my husband really became aggressive and we fought our way out of the circle. It happened again a year later in Paris with a similar gang. I wonder how hard Interpol is working in order to arrest their organisers, the Mafia who run such gangs of pickpockets throughout Europe and the UK. Many of the members are just small children who are deprived of every basic right - education and a decent life - so that their "masters" can earn even more money. And we are talking about millions of Euros!
Be careful what you say about this or the racial thought police will arrest you in the early hours. The government have made it illegal to discriminate. The westminster crooks will now; unwittingly - and led by their twisted liberal ideals; drag us all back to dickensian times. Bring on the workhouses.
As you sow.....
Not everyone is bad out there, every kind of people are everywhere. Yeah it's bad where it's happen
we have got to close the borders immediate deportation no rights if they refuse to go treat them like rats because that is what they are!!
Ahh, the joys of multiculturalism, and mass immigration from third world countries. What is it that these people have that makes the government want to let them in? What do they offer to society at large? For centuries, people have despised gypsies, drug users/dealers and prostitutes, and for good reason. Now, we are forced to "understand" their "narratives and struggles", and they have "narratives" to enlighten us all. What a load of you know what. Some 14 year old steals your wallet, and all your ID and credit cards and they will not be charged because they are juveniles.
We'll take them & then put them in million pound homes, flat screens, mobiles, because were Loaded or her was wonder why. Well I'll tell you it's because of weak bellied Politicians who run this asylum.
my mobile phone was stolen in a library by one of these types when i made a fuss it mysteriously turned up where they were sitting everyone knew they did it
we dont want you here stay away or pay the price
What do you mean D M ,could be coming to the UK, THEY ARE ALREADY HERE.
Only one place for these people in UK that's the prison or better still keep them as far away as possible from this country, The sooner the better
I have said this before and will say it again my dad worked for 40+ years and I worked for 30+ years. I am now disabled and on benefits. My dad died in 2012 leaving 30K of savings that he had paid full tax and NI on. I have now had my benefits stopped until I have used my dad's money and if at the end of that time the DWP decide that I have 'overt-spent' I will not be entitled to benefits until they decide that I should be. I worry over this very much. Seems to me the money the DWP save through my dad's hard earned savings will just be paid out to these low life scum bags who are and will be targeting UK people to scam. It makes me sick and to knowingly allow yet more of these parasites in is ridiculous. I was born in the UK, I paid all my dues in the UK, all my children work and pay in and these low lives take and take. Welcome to hell!
No need to panic people, because they're already here.
One thing an ex-pickpocket said, is a zip on your pockets, especially on your inside pocket in your jacket. It can probably help on your jeans back pocket too.
I would bet that 99.9% of romanians are decent and hard working. If you give benefits to the rest it will discourage pick-pocketing I'm nearly sure
They are all ready in the UK. In North London.... Probably else where as well
Coming to a town near you.It will be like trying to cross The square in Prague where you get surrounded by a group of Roma Girls feeling your pockets and you are hanging onto your bish for dear life
'English criminals do this too.' Rarely. But do we need to invite a breed that is already known for living their entire lives this way? THAT is the point.
this phrase "They could be heading for UK" associates with intimidation. In fact some of them already in UK and it is too late to write stories and instill fear in the folk.
We have this already seriously you want more of this, like the government mp ain't robbing us all ready oh and benefit Scrooges n the fact is we are going to have this in triple amount those Romanians cannot wait till there turn in January to join our benefit system free housing and rob the public. CLOSE THE BORDERS AND FORGET BEING IN THIS EU NONSENSE UK's BIGGEST MISTAKE
Thank you EU for giving us another reason to say NO to staying in the EU.
As Angel Merkel said in a speach two years ago, multiculturalism has not worked in Germany and looking at the state of our country, in certainly has failed in the UK
Thank you Labour, and all your comrades for destroying what was once a beautiful country .... MY country. This was the Labour plan all along from day one of coming into office, you should A!LL be on trial in the Hague charged with TREASON ! Everyone that voted for them i hope your proud ? You've made your bed ....... NOW YOU CAN SLEEP IN IT !
When I lived in London in the late 1970s/early 1980s, pickpockets were already rampant in the West End, as were the gypsies in Paris. It's a pity a harder line wasn't taken on them back then, before the situation got totally out of control. We even get a few of these criminals from Eastern Europe coming all the way to New Zealand (probably via Australia) to skim the ATM machines. Fortunately, they seem to be detected and deported pretty quickly.
God help us all
This country is finished. They are already at it here.
"As Britain prepares to allow thousands of Romanian & Bulgarian immigrants to seek work in the UK"--- That is the last thing they will come here for!!!
This report should emphasise that the people pictured are Gypsies/Roma. I have lived in 'Eastern Europe' for many years & gypsies here are the cause of the majority of crime but they are NOT east Europeans.
I had a conversation with an Eastern European man and he told me that it's not just the benefits why they go to Britain, he told me that the main reason is that the police are the weakest in the world and are too scared to confront them! The law in every country needs to crack down hard on them, create new laws even, and make people examples to others. There's no other way but to instill fear into them.
They have been in London for more than 20 years. In fact they have been everywhere in Europe, I have visited, for years. With the freedom of movement within Europe the problems are only going to multiply. Other than building more prisons to house them, what is the EU going to do about it?
Ok, before people go blaming the Romanian people here, let me just say that the "Roma" or "Gypsies" are not Romanian, they just live in Romania, just as they live in Hungary, Bulgaria, Italy, France etc etcjj, they're nomads, really. Romanian people don't like them either and get robbed by them all the time too! I was born & raised in Romania & we knew to stay away from groups of gypsies. I was robbed by them too when I was 14. It bothers me that people don't make the difference between Romanians & gypsies, they are totally different! The gypsies do what they do not only in Paris & the UK, but all over Europe too, including Romania & Bulgaria. Maybe it's because they are not given opportunities to make an honest living, who knows, that's a whole other issue to consider, but the truth is that they're almost the same everywhere.
But think of the diversity these wonderful people will bring to our multicultural country...
I'd love to walk around with a handbag full of something yucky - slime or dog poo - and catch them out that way. Or a pretend handbag with a metal clamp which would fix to the hand which was stuck inside it. Hehe...
How can the French manage to deport 13000 and we can't deport even one because of their 'human rights'?
I'm sure we can simply "dissapear" these people - no-one will notice or complain about this human trash being removed from our streets.
ahhh yes... the perks of being a member of the European Union...
l visited Paris last year and had been warned beforehand about the pickpockets. Here are a couple of tips - carry cash in a moneybelt around your waist. The one l used was lightcolored, lay quite flat and couldn't be detected under my clothes. lf anyone approached me, l didn't stop at all, just ignored them. And there are places you don't hang around, even during the day - one l remember is outside Gare de Nord. lt was very intimidating just having the thieves swarming about. Now, inside the station was another story. Felt very safe due to the armed soldiers strolling about!
They're not only in the UK, I saw them at Rome rail terminus but I'd been warned so I didn't become a victim. You can't trust anyone and you must always be aware of what's happening around you. Good luck!
Just say Romanians and Bulgarians are not welcomed in Britain. We don't need them on our streets. If they come we public will have to handle them appropriately from the beginning. Make their life a hell before they make ours.
What do you mean 'COULD BE' coming here?
In the UK, that police officer would have been sacked and then sued for grabbing that child by the collar. I really detest the UK sometimes (most of the time).
They're already here in Manchester. Two women and a guy(maybe) do it in Arndale and Picadilly Gardens area. They tried to do it to me with by distracting me by giving a rose and then the other woman or guy will try and pick pocket from behind. I was on to them, threw the rose at my friend and protected my items. I'm of Asian immigrants who came here to work in 1950 and I'm sure we never camped out in parks and went around pick pocketing. Just leave the EU and form a special bond with Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands and a couple more like we do with the US.
move them all to Brussels and let the EU commission sort them out
Prison camps on offshore ships followed by deportation and watertight closure of borders - if we had politicians with courage. France's problems will pale in comparison with ours come next January.
Blame Labour, this happens in London all the time.
Why are these people like this - surely thats not how they behave in Romania??? They seem so uncivilised and wild, are they uneducated perhaps. What a heartbreak for beautiful Paris being overrun with this plague of people.
Scum
Saw it with my own eyes in Paris at the Sacre-Coeur last month. Around 20-30 of them, all asking you sign a petition or trying to wrap a piece of string around your wrist. They actually grabbed myself and my girlfriend by the arm saying 'Don't be afraid' before I pushed them away. No Police in sight anywhere. Be very aware. I am relatively young but I doubt my dad would have been able to shake them off. Makes me very cross!
Unless you are coming into a country with a security background check, skills for work and contributing to the economy, you should not be allowed in. Everyone slates Australia for being so strict about letting people live there but after living there for two years I am seriously jealous. Their streets are safe and clean, their economy is healthy compared to the rest of the world and the wages are decent. People working in call centers or waitresses earn $20 per hour as a basic wage. That is all because all their resources and properties are not being drained by low life scum stealing and taking from the country.
Yes, coming to Britain soon, no sympathy from me as the British public keep voting in governments who talk, but do nothing about immigration.
when they are in jail, will be feed by UK taxpayers too. One word: SAD
Thanks Tony
Close our borders and send 'em all back.
As if only romanian and bulgarian gangs practice this. Bad enough it happens but there are more people from those countries trying to make an honest living which isn't written anywhere.
Really.... What do You Expect when The Muppets let Migrants into the UK that have No-Work & No-Money ?? How are they going to Live on Fresh Air ??....Thanks to Mr Cameron Teresa May & Co..... Labour are just as hopeless.
"Right to conceal and carry would stop this, folks! A few bullets ijn the brain would stop it. But, y'all keep believing you are peaceful and more developed, okay? Just don't become too attached to your loved ones and property. - Grits, USA, 18/7/2013 1:02 Of course, we would love have a gun policy that results in more gun related deaths in one country, than the whole of an entire continent. And almost all warzones. That's a brilliant idea. More dead people. Genius.
They are contributing ideas for the law makers to vote for a cashless society..?
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown will be welcoming them with open arms.
As someone said, English people do this too, but are not shown on The Daily Bile. Imagine coming from a place of poverty and no opportunity to a rich country, and they don't really know any better. These individuals (not stereotypes) need time and sympathy to acclimatize to living in the UK. The majority of Eastern Europeans are honest and hard working people.
Vermin
I returned from Europe not three weeks ago sans my bag, camera, cell phone and wallet. My shoulder bag was stolen while my father and I dined in a cafe in Paris. We were stunned. We didn't bother making a police report...an American girl's bag stolen in Paris with no details to provide on the thief seemed an exercise in futility. I wept on the street thinking of losing my pictures of Iceland, London and Paris. When I returned to London for a few days prior to returning to the States, everyone from cab drivers to local friends had a story. I said many times they were not Parisians, but Eastern Europeans. However I still hold Paris and France at large at fault for harboring this behavior by letting anyone in and not insisting on continued employment. The locals told me these people come over under the guise of a job, quit immediately and then live off benefits. As a child you fantasize about these places...Paris! and then to have it ruined so quickly was really disappointing.
coming to a town near you, If they are not there already, people should do what I used to in the UK, only take what money you think you will need for the day, carry no cards with you or ID. My money was kept in the inside pocket of my jacket, or my bag was across my shoulder under my coat. the last time I was London, in a cafe keep your handbag on your lap, not on the floor, commonsense is all you need, but there is no stopping them they are there for good.
They need to conjugate around the politicians...the most advanced pickpockets in the world! As the saying goes: "FOLLOW THE MONEY"!
Why does the police not snatch these people? If the press can catch them doing it why not the police?
I returned from Europe not three weeks ago sans my bag, camera, cell phone and wallet. My shoulder bag was stolen while my father and I dined in a cafe in Paris. We were stunned. We didn't bother making a police report...an American girl's bag stolen in Paris with no details to provide on the thief seemed an exercise in futility. I wept on the street thinking of losing my pictures of Iceland, London and Paris. When I returned to London for a few days prior to returning to the States, everyone from cab drivers to local friends had a story. I said many times they were not Parisians, but Eastern Europeans. However I still hold France at fault for harboring this behavior by letting anyone in and not insisting on continued employment. The locals told me these people come over under the guise of a job, quit immediately and then live off benefits. As a child you fantasize about these places...ohhh! Paris! and then to have it ruined so quickly was really disappointing.
We all know what's going to happen including Cameron but he's more interested in being seen in a good light by the BBC and the guardian readership than doing what's right by the people of the country
In Paris I was the victim of the petition trick, done by children, the smallest around 7 years old. When I noticed they had stolen my money, credit cards, etc. I grabbed the little girl and didn't let her go until another girl returned my goodies.
do what china does...trust no one and hate everyone around you no matter age, sex and race. it works very well.
In some countries a thief has his hand chopped off... It seems to be very affective...
Thank you Messrs Bliar Brown and Mandelson for destroying this country.
I don't know their nationality but bands of foreign pickpockets are already operating in London. Of course this will get worse in the UK from 2014 unless action is taken NOW. I read with interest that 'Last year, nearly 13,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were deported from France, an increase of 18.4 per cent on the previous year.' If France can deport so many unwanted immigrants what is stopping the UK?
I am so pleased this does not happen here. I won't be going to Paris soon after reading this. Take you holidays in the UK or USA and problem solved. I'm so pleased that we don't put up with this here.
I can't wait for the floodgates from Europe to open even further, can you. Thank you Labour Government and Brussels.
If the kids were jailed or repatriated, the gang leaders would have to do their own dirty work. In Pnohm Penh recently at a major cross roads near the airport, a gang of at least a dozen children were begging from cars held up and the interchange. A man sat at the centre of the traffic island with a stick in his hand and using it ,with lots more kids gathered round, waiting orders for their turn. It appeared to me that the successful ones worked less time than the less successful in achieving their targets quicker. A poor little girl of about 3 years was not successful with me and she did look a pitiful sight, snotty nose tears dirt n all. She was about average age in the gang, top age around 5 years. I felt so sorry for them, but felt the boss should do his share too and he didn't.Our politicians should take a look at this. If the kids were put in a borstal or care.they would be beyond the gang leaders and perhaps they might then not come, as the parents complain of losing their kids
You do see them everywhere, when they are harassing you it's best to be firm and rude to them. I had my phone stolen once, but while they might be thieves they have no backbone - I just grabbed him and took it back. if they approach you, tell them to get lost and they'll go away looking for easier prey. If they don't, push them away, or you will find their hands in your pockets.
The lady at the 'Cashpoint' is actually at a public transport ticket issuing machine. The clue was the word TICKET displayed on the machine.
What about the pickpockets in pinstripes, who went to Eton and now run the country?!?
If they are continued to be let in, they will ruin England. People will no longer want to live in England and tourists will not come to visit.
Thanks Mr Bliar
These criminal gangs operate across europe , by inviting so many into other european countries some countries use their 'guests' to play one off the other in the labour market obviously with the idea to keep the cost of Labour down - this racket you have exposed is designed to make people fully aware of what can and is happening to residents that has the direct effect should these racketeers become familiar to a point of no return , but this racket is well known and practised by residents themselves , moral of this comment is Trust nobody , sad but true .
VOTE LABOUR AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
You keep voting for these Europhile parties, Conservative, Labour, Liberal. You want this on British streets, keep voting for them. If you don't want it vote for UKIP. Cameron is a complete Europhile and will lie through his teeth to stay in power and to stay in the EU.
Just what can be done with these scum, too many human rights & dictatorship by European Union, just when are we going to be be able to throw them all out, never to return but that is only in our wildest dreams
And they'll be heading to the UK at the end of the year
This is what we get when we open our borders to absolutely everyone. It is bad enough when that our governments allows our NHS and benefit system to everyone from any foreign country except the people here who have paid Into the system but this is just another reason to close our borders.
The first time I went to Paris a couple of women pretending not to be able to speak tried to make me and my friend sign a petition, luckily, an elderly woman passed by and warned us, minutes later after we kept walking the police arrived and arrested them, by that time there were speaking!! What a miracle... Beware of these people, many of them are at the Louvre, Jardin des Tuileries, close to Notre Dame, pretty much major landmarks where travelers visit and since they're foreign they wouldn't know.
We see reports of this type of criminal activity by (mainly) Romanians/Bulgarians at alarmingly frequent intervals. There is no doubt the UK will be plagued by the same criminality after 1.1.14. To minimize it, we must stop them coming in unless they have a job to go to and somewhere to live that is not in a park/under a bridge. Failure to do so will give us a hundred times more problems than France/Germany have, as our police and judiciary have no balls to deal with the problem.
Just returned from our trip to London. Since my father was stationed in the UK during WWII ( he loved Vera Lynn) we visited the Churchill War Rooms Museum. What an honor and tribute to the heroics of every British citizen. Unfortunately, our trip was disrupted by the vagrants and the little Roma children trying to distract us. Honestly, we were very stressed. This was not what we expected.
Apart from booting them out and not letting any more here - (cut off their hands)....even that would be to good for this scum.
If you are stupid enough to walk around a major city with your wallet sticking out your back trouser pocket you will be a target. If you are stupid enough to be distracted by anyone at all, while you are at a cashpoint you will be a victim of crime. Stop being stupid and these little gangs will go out of business.
this shouldn't be news, the gangs have existed for ages. They've trained up the kids to do it now, my brother encountered the experience near the Arc de Triomphe last year. The kids came up to us and asked for signatures to be signed on a sheet of paper which was clipped onto a writing board. They came up so close that they used the writing board as a cover so u wouldn't see them unzipping your pockets underneath or whatever they're trying to steal. My brother didn't realise until his pocket was unzipped half-way as he was alerted by his friend standing behind shouting at the kid. The kids are trained 'professionally' and it's ok not to give empathy to kids sometimes..
If Cameron lets this happen in the UK, despite all the warnings, he should be overthrown and kicked out politics altogether! This country has enough problems with foreigners because of the Government's stupidity over the last 30 years.
This always existed (the Artful Dodger, anyone?), and the tricks are known globally. What surprises me is how the victims are still so naive. Stay physically distant from anyone (the tourist cornered by women? Come on!!!). Never withdraw cash in a busy street; better to pay all your shopping with your card until you are somewhere safer. Someone "rude" pushing you in a crowd is actually stealing your wallet. And why is your wallet so easy to reach? Hide it somewhere difficult: they need to act fast, if they dont' see an "easy" wallet or bag they will scan the crowd for another victim. Don't wear thin jewelry: easy to rip off your neck. I lived in a few scary places and the only place they ever got me was... Amsterdam. Exactly because I let my guard down: no crime in Amsterdam, isn't it? However, the thief walked off with my fake wallet, full of gym/loyalty cards and 5 Euro. My real dosh was in my real wallet, in a terribly hard to reach pocket. Hope he liked the surprise.
Most probably been operating in the UK for some time.
I find it hard to understand that cashpoint scam. If anyone ever came over to me at an ATM I'd stop what I was doing immediately. Child or no child it's pretty obvious what they're doing. You never approach someone at an ATM so immediately alarm bells should be ringing if that happened
How sad. Britain in Ruins.
Pick-pocketing has been a British tradition long before mass immigration.The demographics of the perpetrators has changed a bit. That's all.
Politicians need to act now for if they do not they will see the rise of vigilant groups as the electorate gets sick and tired of having these thieves and welfare takers in their mist.
You make me laugh!! Like this never happened before the " invasion"? stop the scaremongering...this has been happening since year dot in one way or another in most countries all over he world!!
...they could be heading to the UK? Get real! They are already there... for quite some time. All the way back in 2000, in two separate locations (London Tube and at Trafalgar Square), my wife and I both were pickpocketed. Luckily, our loss was not too much.
This just reads as another reinforcement article to ensure that the populace remains infighting. Desperate people do desperate things, especially when having their countries destroyed by the perpetual cheapening of labor and brutality of outsourcing and if they still don't bow then time to call the Americans.
Well what do you expect from a government that allows people In knowing what they do. we will soon be like walking cash mahines
Why should we have to put up with this..........blueyed, north, uk,,.........The simple answer is because we keep voting for it at every election. I'm guilty as well for voting for it but not next time.
Tony Blair has so much to answer for
They are here and it is already happening.
What an excuse for blatant xenophobia this article is. There are multiple more British criminals than Bulgarian ones. Get perspective.
Crime? In Paris? I don't believe it.
This could lead to violence on our streets, people will defend their right to keep their hard earned money; and rightly so.
Do t let them on
The EU rules are a total farce. None of this was ever voted for by the British public. We joined the common market to trade with Europe, not be flooded with the scum of Europe and have unrealistic rules and laws imposed on us. Time to quit and start sending the unwanted and unneeded back home.
I agree with many commentators that this problem with the Roma people has been going on in the UK for a while already. While visiting a friend in Sidmouth a few years ago, we watched a scenario where an older Roma man came into the pub where we were having lunch and began speaking to a young white male sitting at the bar. He kept pointing outside, where a young Roma girl was waiting outside on the street. The young guy kept shaking his head saying "No!" and finally the Roma man left. Soon after when we'd finished lunch and were again walking outside, we saw the same Roma couple being apprehended by a policeman who was telling the older man "In this country, we don't sell our children!" I was really shocked. I believe that was in 2006. They are a race of people who have obviously always been marginalised and have learned very well how to live outside the law. It's such a shame they're now bringing their thieving culture to socially generous countries in Europe!
and of course we will welcome them, give them somewhere to live and money as well no doubt. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Keep letting them in your country. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
"""In the past year alone, 176,000 Romanians and Bulgarians have entered Germany""

And our government say that we'll only get 50,000 over 5 years. How many actually believe that? They'll flood in here for free schools, free health care, benefits, soft justice with no deportation, etc. Its the land of their dreams. Voting UKIP at every oportunity is the only way. Cameron certainly doesnt have the guts to block them from coming in."
My aunt lives on a very expensive street in Fulham, very quiet and very upper middle class. Last weekend the street was filled with this type of people asking anyone who walked by if they wanted their fortune read. I was shocked. ...well there goes the neighbourhood.
What did our beloved leaders expect back in 2004 when they opened our doors even wider to the 3rd world? Are Britons going to get a vote on immigration and europe? I think not!
The best way to deal with such an influx is to stop it before it begins. Any EU citizen coming to the UK for more than a month must have a job to come to , with a letter from the employer. Records and visas should be issued/kept so that fines can be imposed for overstay and non payment of fines means jail or chuck out of the country if unable to pay,nto return, until record is paid off and a new entry application should be required. Thailand do this very very well. So I trust Britain is capable of doing the same. As I typed the last sentence, so I started filling with despair.
EU is a con job, a failure, self-destructive. Can't Europe oen their eyes and look at the spread of social problems? They should remain in their countries and rich EU members hekp improve their conditions instead of allowing the migration which makes everyone suffer. Romania must be laughing.
Y'all wanted this didn't you? Or exactly what was it that you misunderstood about the E.U.? It's going to get a LOT worse than it is now so you may as well get used to it. I blame the E.U. for all of the problems we're facing today.
there already here there already here im so smart and with it HA HA you have not seen anything yet
all ready here... it's disgusting
Te simple answer is. A CRIMINAL ACT, IS A CRIMINAL ACT. Punish all criminal acts committed by anyone. The act being dealt with according to the severity of the crime. Children of ANY age could be jailed in a borstal. Where they could be held under observation, given the continuance of education and allowed out on good behavior. Or for passing certain education standards. Meanwhile there appears to be a certain Nation or two, where criminals flock together under the banner of Roma.. So they'd each should be allowed a pass into a note EU country. That pass being revoked on a criminal act stamp and record. Man, woman or child. Each responsible criminal to be returned from whence they came with records being kept computerized records office centre. When a child is returned to country of origin if the parents wish to remain, the child should be delivered to the border of that country and they can then become responsible for their national.
The only gangs of pickpocketers are your politicians and the Royal's!
the politicians won't do anything because they're hardly ever targeted. They don't understand, in their privileged little bubbles, how devastating these crimes can be
When they arrive in London BJ will welcome them with open arms .
Wrong again DM, already here...don't you lot watch TV?
Deported more than 13000 in one year. Quickly, hire some French people to man Britains Border Control. It would take our lot 37 years to deport one. Or is the problem, once again the hopelessness of our Politicians. Obeying every rule. Frightened to do something that may be disagreed with by a EU body. Oh to be in France where common sense and decency still reign.plus their bread is greatly missed by me too.
Scum and no stopping them, if I was a mp this would be my main priority to stop these leeches arriving in UK. However our MPs are more interested in having there snouts in the trough.
Good thing that this sort of thing is unlikely to land on these shores.... it'd only be a short amount of time before bullets started flying. The wild west is always simmering just beneath the surface.
I accuse the rulers and judges of europe ...... THEY ARE GUILTY!
disgusting people. get them and lock them up! - emmmma , London, United Kingdom, 18/7/2013 01:04++++++++++++++++++ I don't agree with that - why should we stand the cost of their prison heaven? Probably better conditions than they are used to at home - which is exactly where they should be sent if they commit ANY crimes over here.
This makes me so angry!
Romanian and Roma(ns) - not the same thing.
How can we stop this???
Protect UK;leave EU.
multicultural socialism has become Europe in a cesspool of crime and violence. our rulers and judges are directly responsible for this situation and therefore of the innocent victims that occur
Here we go again, Yawn..., Oliver Twist was neither Romanian nor Bulgarian.! I see the UKIP brigade's on the prowl again.
There are Roma on the streets of Belfast and many local towns in N Ireland already,selling the Big Issue and newspapers ,als many standing around cash points ,and this is before the rules are thrown away ,also notice the French cop is dragging the young boy ,in Britain he would be done for cruelty or whatever the "uman rights" lawyers can think up ,thanks Blair.
Perhaps the cold war wasn't such a bad thing after all.
These EU characters are allowed entry into our country unhindered thanks to the damnable irresponsible EU open door policy, and the pro EU Parties will not do a thing to stop it.. We voted only to trade with these people, not for this. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP AND PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
what the hell is this makes me sick ugly people
Why should we have to put up with this?? Total & utter madness!! We should close our borders to anyone who is not coming in to contribute financially to our growth as a nation!
multiculturalism garbage
They come to this country and steal off us, no respect! Will not be going to London anytime soon! Not that I can afford it...
Criminal Roma gangs already operate in London and have done for years. Pickpockets, aggressive beggars with babies on the Underground, and traffic light bandits. They were allowed in by pretending they were from the former Yugoslavia and predictably the naieve, incompetent Home Office bought this nonsense.
I'm pretty sure this behaviour goes on in the UK already.. this is just horrible anti immigration propaganda - GH, Manchester, 18/7/2013 0:48 So what you are saying is - if this type of behaviour goes on in the UK already then its OK to import some more of the same behaviour??
ALREADY here.........Geez, theres been many a programme on television showing British cops trying to catch them in the act........for many years......... Lets just KICK them all out, and if they come back, utilise the North Sea
The "open borders" policy of the EU along with its so called "human rights" has caused the most damage to the main big European countries. Brussels has a lot to answer for.
I was in Paris in April for nine days. This pickpockets were literally on every street corner, every monument, and every museum. It was horrible! The Louvre was even closed one day during our visit because the museum workers were being targeted. We all at every moment clutched our purses as if someone was going to steal them. My friend and I left the Channel flagship store and two Romanian women holding a tourist map bumped into us attempting to get into our purses. I had to aggresively push one away. It was terrible. I hope Paris can clean up this nightmarish problem. I adore Paris but I don't like being accosted at every street corner in Paris.
If there is a God in heaven many of these Roma gangs will choose Connaught Square to settle and become chummy with the lovely Mr. & Mrs. Blair.
I cannot believe that in view of the dreadful mess that both Labour,the Liberals and Conservatives have created and forced upon the British people, that there are so many idiotic people willing to vote for these parties again. How can a country did it self out of a hole when dirt is being continually put on top of it?
The one of the woman at the "cash point" is actually buying tickets for public transport....
Thank you Tony Blair... THIS is your legacy. Lets hope all these scum bags vote labour as you planned...!
So sad DM, your comment: '(they could be heading to the UK)' ! They ARE in the bloody UK and every other European Union country, or have you not noticed!!
You wouldn't put a parasite in your house yet the Lib-Lab-Con wants to put them in the country and at our expense
It's simple, NO job NO entry. The EU fines would be far less than the money spent on housing benefit, child benefit and policing costs.
They should all be sent back home. I'm all for human rights but these are just parasites.
Utterly depressing reality! There will be a lot of aggravations and prostitution, if they are not stopped. UKIP, way to go!
welcome home..................!!
More scare mongering... What is happening to my beautiful UK!
They stole all my Money and Papers in Beni Dorm, Spain. Kick them out to Eastern Europe where ever you find them!!
We are far too tolerant of these people. They don't contribute anything, all they do is cause trouble and leech off our benefits system. The door should be firmly closed to them.
THE SOCIAL EU THAT GERMANY AND FRANCE WANT, AND EVERYONE KISSED THEM BUMS TO GIVE IT TO THEM, REAP WHAT YOU SOW
Things will not change until resources are provided to tackle the problem. It's a massive issue though, and people should not feel unsafe in the streets.
From the stroke of midnight 01/01/2014 the c**p will hit fan at the borders of the UK. The result will be a system overload for major cities throughout the kingdom with the quality of life for the British people destroyed forever. Politicians of all colours are to blame because of their cowardly refusal not to stand up the dictates of the EU It will make no difference which party wins the next election, the damage will already have been done. We are being lead along a path of total european integration where no one nation will be independent, hence the cry Cameron puts out, ¿We are all in it together¿. His supposed promise of a referendum is nothing more than posturing. Yes, a referendum may be held but the figures will be manipulated to suite those in Westminster. I agree with the policies of UKIP but even if they succeed in gaining a majority in Westminster, their cause is lost, it will be too late, guaranteed
I have just moved away from a stunning area in Glasgow because of them !!! Get them out of the UK lets get out of Europe and live in pease !!! Never thought I would say this UKIP .
they are already in london,begging,thieveing & leaving a mess everywhere....blairs got a lot to answer to
do not forget to vote UKIP to stop all of this
SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.........Wednesday, February 17 2014 , FRONT PAGE : Daily Mail :"Eastern European gangs brazenly targeting victims in broad daylight on LONDON streets" .........it's already started....Thank you Blair.....
They should have visas, no visas off you go back to where you were born!
I was a victim of pickpockets and its horrible coming to a street near you in jan 2014 when restrictions are lifted.
I'm pretty sure this behaviour goes on in the UK already.. this is just horrible anti immigration propaganda - GH, Manchester, 17/07/2013 23:48 Yes, but who does it go on by? Idiot.
Same thing in Paris in 1997. Old news.
Keep this filth out of our country!!!
I dont have any money so not bothered....
When I worked in London there were problems with Roma as far back as the mid 90s. They used to get cheap Easyjet flights into Stansted the make their way into London. Women and children begged aggressively on underground trains, and there was a problem with women sitting begging on the streets with sleeping toddlers. First time I went to Madrid 10 years ago they were begging on the tube there. Our friends insisted on picking us up from Barajas Airport because they said Roma were targeting tourists on the train line into the City. It all went on before Romania became part of the EU, now we have just made it easy for them. The Romanian government are no doubt glad to be rid of one of their huge social problems. They should not be allowed housing, benefits or self employed status for selling the Big Issue. One Roma woman here has pitches in different towns during the week.
disgusting people. get them and lock them up!
These children are a product of their parents...nurturing them to become accessories to crime because they are 'victims' of poverty...Be wary when you travel to any major cities in the world, they are a hotbed for these people.
No 'could be' about it, they are here. Along with all the other dregs and criminal scum from all over the world.
When do we leave the EU??
Right to conceal and carry would stop this, folks! A few bullets ijn the brain would stop it. But, y'all keep believing you are peaceful and more developed, okay? Just don't become too attached to your loved ones and property.
And the all the lefties in Europe wonder why the right-wing parties are on the rise! Time to clamp down, zero tolerance, get out of Europe stop this crime wave in its tracks, I know it's already here, but anyone caught breaking the law from a foreign country should be sent home immediately, none of this Human Rights BS because we'll be out of the ECHR too..... Europe is dragging us down! This makes me very angry, and I'm sure a lot of people throughout Europe are feeling the same way....
there is going to be a facist backlash as the nationalist groups in europe stop putting up with the lawless east europeans governments must act now to stop their nationals being marginalised and given second class status in schools/hospitals and education not to mention housing europe is going to explode
This is the New Labour legacy, and they're still topping the polls. We live in a country of idiots.
KEEP THEM OUT AND TELL STRASBOURG TO DO ONE...... the alternative could see things getting really ugly on both sides.
No surprise thought we had seen this happening in central london on the west end streets tubes and buses constantly.... Thank you Blair and brown greedy globalised gut pigs,, £££ up the eu backside. I am waiting for the day we all wake up I will be marching side by side to downing st when there is uproar in this country it's going mad.. Everyone is a mess.
Disgusting
The UK is going to wonder what the hell hit it after January.
Always carry a pair of pruning clippers with you. They're not illegal. Have a small gardening book in your bag too, to complete the look. Feel any fingers where they shouldn't be - have them off!
We've had gangs like this in London for decades. What's new?
Too late! Already here, and it's our own fault for allowing these idiots in Brussels control our borders! We need a reciprocal agreement with say Namibia.. If caught thieving.. Straight to Northolt.. Group of 100 at a time.. Flown down there and told to make own way back! And banned from these shores for ever!
Parasites, pure and simple, our tolerance and benevolence has become our downfall. There is no alternative but to "round them up" and deport every single one that comes here.
Could always revert back to the original 15 trading partners; but then the eastern countries might gravitate to Russia giving our leaders the opportunity to create more reductions on freedom under the guise of a cold war; then we will spends billions on nuclear weapons again; which may be used against us when Marie antioneduncan smith says let them eat cake.
Is this why we let them join the EU? Coming to a street near you... very soon.
It's hell on earth! Most Parisiens get the hell out of Paris during the summer months and those that can't keep as far from the tourist spots as possible! It's a crying shame that beautiful parts of Paris are becoming over run with gangs of thieves and people camping out. Until parents are made responsible for the actions of their children these people will continue to teach their kids to steal and they in turn will do the same. Holland was critical of Sarkosy but Sarkosy had the right idea and now it's too late.
I dont think any right minded person wants immigrants of this type, apart from the left wing who will say these are the type of immigrants that Britain needs.
Thanks to Cameron this will be happening in London and Britain next year, it has started already in London, wait until there are a couple of million of them, all on benefits. Thank God we have only got to put up with this u-turning, lying, promise breaking Prime Minister for two more years, then his political career will be over. If the British people have any sense we will elect a PM who will bring Britain back under our own control, and close our borders. Since joining the EU we have dropped from being a world power to a virtual third world country. We are wasting billions of taxpayers money every year, money that has not been audited since the EU started. We are have unlimited immigration, rules, human rights and laws forced on us by EMPS from all over Europe. The worst health system in the so called developed world. We have got to have change, we want no more of the same. Let us put the Great back into Britain, vote UKIP. It is our only and last chance. Vote UKIP.
The whole political class want dogknotting for doing nothing to stop this from happening here next year. We have gone stark raving mad to allow Roma gypsies in en masse to become a scurge on our streets.
Could be coming to the UK????????????? Who writes this drivel. WAKE UP! they're already here and have been for awhile. I like the fact that they're hanging around the rich areas, maybe just maybe something might get done. We've had to endure it for years up North. Do-gooders red arrow away, but until you live amongst these low life scum you really can't form a rounded opinion. Reap what you sow.
THEY ARE ALREADY HERE, THERE AND EVERYWHERE! THEY TRIED THE CASHPOINT SCAM ON ME IN MANCHESTER 5 YEARS AGO. I ELBOWED THEM BOTH IN THE FACE. THAT WORKED!
Yawn,
Deport, deport, deport...... They can do this from whence they came.
In the second picture, look how the girls are laughing as they run. They already know there is little the police can do.
I wouldn't say there's "every chance". If the UK is going to hand out benefits it's an absolute certainty. Their behaviour becomes more agressive as they realize that no one's going to do anything about them. They don't look for work - what you see in these pics is their job.
They could be heading here?....you're joking arn't you?.....they're here....working the tube, oxford st, regents st and all our parks! Have been for years! Really DM sometimes I think you've got your head up where it don't shine!
Well why we're they let in then? If a crime is committed by a non-citizen they should be deported straight away along with all members of their families. Common sense and better immigration laws everywhere!
They are already operating in southhall.
Keep this filth out of our country
English criminals do this too.
They arrived in Glasgow ages ago :(
Simple take finger prints from them, then deport them and when they try to come back into the country which they will arrest them and give them 10 years in prison.
We should send build a giant wall round Romania and Bulgaria, and make them a massive jail for all EU Scum!!
They have been at this for years in Rome, it will be no different when they come here.
Hmmmmm, and soon to come to a cashpoint near you!
I was as in Paris recently and was approached by multiple folk with clipboards, luckily I had read about all these scams before travelling. Also saw people being pickpocketed by some kids, who were swiftly rounded up by the police, quite the scene. Add to that all the African people trying to sell you Eiffel towers and put bracelets on your wrist it is quite the city. Lovely to walk around and see, just keep your stuff safe.
I'm pretty sure this behaviour goes on in the UK already.. this is just horrible anti immigration propaganda
This is disgusting.
"Could". The DM's favourite adjective.
they are already in the UK, picking pockets and stealing from people, u see them on streets, train station etc
It's not invasion, it's the government invitation..
The Office for Budget Responsibility states in an article here , today , that adding SEVEN MILLION immigrants will boost employment and the UK economy . And you know , they are right : if these low-life criminals are allowed in , think of the extra police needed , the boon in shares of companies providing security technology , more work for counsellors to help victims of crime ........possibilities are endless , aren't they ? The sooner the UK gets as many people as possible , from every country on Earth, to move in the happier and more prosperous everyone will be .....won't they now ?? !! :-). The country is FINISHED !
Could be heading to Britain? I would say in retrospect the cut off point when Britain stopped been Britain is the day Tony Blair was elected.
Paris has a general problem of pickpockets and has for a long time. I wouldn't say it's restricted to one ethnic group.
The people are always prone to such attacks, while big corporations sit well guarded with MP looking out for them.
What do you mean - they are already here! Throw them out, along with their families of Fagans, and let them bleat about their human rights from Romania & Bulgaria.Im fed up with us being a soft touch.
They are already here alas :-(
Coming to the UK? they're already here, see London for more details or as I like to call it The Cesspit.
What do you mean "could be coming here" DM, please look around, those filth are already doing that over here.
You keep voting for it - Ed has no intention of leaving the EU ,and yet his Party is leading the Polls - this was Tony Blair's dream - his words , not mine - so why are you complaining .
Scum!
Please remember it is Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who gave us this legacy. They should be tried for treason.
They are already here. The EU is going to implode with all the scum of the continent able to move around.
Everyone wants to learn the English language as it is international and is the second language taut in their schools. - johnnyboy, manchester, United Kingdom, 11/6/2013 7:23...................and judging from your spelling, must be your second language!
Rather like a wayward woman, Britain needs to cross its legs, and soon.
Dave in Plymouth ...and don`t forget the 600,000 new home every YEAR we are expected to build to house the poor priviledge darlings.Nor do they have any intention of integrating, they settle in their own ghettos.The cops keep saying it " our communities need to stay calm" if they integrated they wouldnt need to worry. The ex Soviet people are doing exactly the same thing, making their own ghettoised communities. bet this doesn`t get printed. As usual.
Can't think why they want to come here?? Must be the weather!
Vote UKIP, vote UKIP, seriously change the record do something NOW, fight the government you have now, things don't change because the people won't change.
communities cause conflict, thats why you get the police saying all the time (we want all communities to keep calm) so its more or less a powder keg every time, if we didn't have all these communities they would not be friction, you are all one or one or nothing. if the countries cant live side by side, how the hell do they expect them to play happy families in the UK, famous politician in the 1960s, he was correct on most of what he said
As long as Britain continuously provides more than the other countries on an open-door basis, the EU will never work for us. They get more money here on benefits than they do at home, working full-time. Where is the insentive to work? if they come here with children, their children get schooled, they get child benefits, they get a home, they get an 'integration allowance', they get free healthcare. Yet they've contributed NOTING to our society when they walk through the door. And they all want to come here, because they know this, they know how stupidly open our benefit system is, and they want a piece of that. Yes, SOME do come here to work, I don't argue with that. But a heck of a lot more come here just so they can basically do what they did in their own country, but get paid more for it. being a leech. The EU will not work for Britain, because Britain is constantly putting in more than other countries, and that does my head in. Anyone who argues with that is an idiot.
Rather blows a hole in the government estimates of how many Bulgarians and Rumanians will come to these shores in 2014.......the reason for the government saying it will be a lot less than previous entrants being that the two nations in 2014 can go to all EU nations, something the previous entrants could not do to some EU nations for up to 5 years...........the truth being the government KNOWS that by far the greater majority will settle here.... hence the rubbish illegal rhetoric of banning benefits under EU law!!! UKIP, UKIP.
Because we're such a soft touch, unless things change it can only get worse .
These guys are fantastic workers,of that there is no denying.I wish them well.
We know. that's why we are encouraging our own families to emigrate.
And we wonder why we have to create a hundred thousand jobs just to stand still.
Well there's only you people reading this and everyone else in Britain that can stop it, and it's easy. Simply vote UKIP at every opportunity. It's not rocket science!
NIGEL WAS RIGHT - AGAIN.
Taking Jobs.? Odd how our own multitude never seem to find these jobs.
Your comments:UK AND USA Close your borders now!
The whole open door policy is just wrong; people from the poorer countries flock and take advantage of the richer countries....how is this fair? It's just a free-for-all. - Beige Britain, UK, 11/6/2013 6:21...............its not much of a free for all for us taxpaying Brits
Benefits including for non existent children back home, free education and healthare, free housing in the area of your choice, no taxes to pay for cash in hand, free translation services provided by the taxpayer, little likelihood of punishment no matter how serious the crime you have committed............I wonder why so many people come here?
Then it's only a hop, skip and a jump over the pond to the US... It can't always be the UK and the US who are taking them in. Close the gate, and lock the doors.
I'M SICK OF HEARING THIS NONSENSE!!!
We are Scroungers Paradise.....UKIP needed urgently as the others will faff about for years and years blaming each other and waffling. We need Action NOW!
Before we joined the Common Market, we traded with the whole of the world - now we are are severely hadicapped by the EU. Even France, which tends to put its own interests first, is held back. We were OK in EFTA, and still had the Commonwealth as a market - thanks to traitor Heath, Wilson and others we are now an insignificant appendage off the coast of Europe. I want my independent UK back - why did the Queen, who vowed to protect this realm, co-operate with the surrendering of the UK and its peoples? I have left a large legacy to UKIP as I do not expect to live long enough to see out the destruction of England - I don't care about Scotland, they want independence so they can sort out their future. I was born in a free England - I wish to die in a free England!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For God's sake enough is enough - and at this stage, frankly, I'm beyond caring why they come, I just want it to stop
Why doesn't EU pour some money into these Countries so that these young people can stay and work in their own country and that way help their own economy and cities to become alive and viable. If al young are coming here, what has their own country got left with.
Its the benefits stupid . Vote U.K.I.P.if you wish this lunacy to stop
AND why not.Cameron will save on postage sending money to them.They can collectit in person.
It just goes to show that we do have one thing better than the Germans,.............our benefit system.
And the decision is theirs and theirs alone !
Change the benefits system so that they flock out and not flock in. Simple.
Another one of your 5-a day served by UKIP!
I guess that means the printing presses for the Big Issue will have to start running non-stop to meet the demand
This will not stop until we are out of the EU. - keith , leamington spa, 11/6/2013 14:38 seriously, keith, is this the solution? or will we be having the same debate 2 years after leaving the UK?
What about our children- schools- hospitals- housing.Pity no one looks after our interests!
This will not stop until we are out of the EU.- keith , leamington spa, 11/6/2013 14:38 >>>>> Very true Keith however the only political party which wants to do something about it is UKIP and we can't do that until we take over the reins from the Conjob/liedem/liebour faction in Westminster.
Seriously if they put it to a public vote tomorrow if the UK stays or leaves the EU, trust me people would take the morning off/ the day off just vote us out. I am not rasing my children here, people think the gangs here are bad wait and till those doors are wide open.
They don't com here for the weather do they?
This will not stop until we are out of the EU.
"Is it because they fit in better with the British? - Fredrick, London, United Kingdom

...yeah, because half their countries are already here"
Time for a complete change from what we have now and what we have had in the past Lab/ Con / Lib all out of touch, no interest in what the Electorate have to say and only interested in getting their own pet projects through Parliament, and wasting tax payers money to boot in so doing
Time for a complete change from what we have now and what we have had in the past Lab/ Con / Lib all out of touch, no interest in what the Electorate have to say and only interested in getting their own pet projects through Parliament, and wasting tax payers money to boot in so doing
Right rename us now.... T.U.K.O.B.F.A......The United Kingdom Of Benefits For All. . Roll up, roll up and squeeze our sponge dry... Oh yes all are welcome especially those with no intention to work or contribute...
There are no jobs, keep the parasites out!
when your daughter or son cannot get a job because employers are hiring workers from eu member countries, just remember who opened the doors, who laid down the timelines, who destroyed this country in their run to change the voting outlook of this coumtry forever.... labour!!!!
They only have to sell 1 Big Issue to claim being self employed.then housing benefits ,child tax credits,ect follow.They have it all worked out before they get here how to claim the maximum So all this rubbish the government spouts about no money forthcoming is complete nonsense.
They only have to sell 1 Big Issue to claim being self employed.then housing benefits ,child tax credits,ect follow.They have it all worked out before they get here how to claim the maximum So all this rubbish the government spouts about no money forthcoming is complete nonsense.
We have the weakest, most cowardly "leader" in the world!
'from outside Europe, and who do not benefit from EU freedom of movement rules, fell slightly, from 184,000 to 183,000'. How many of these are Professionals that are needed?, of the rest, how did they qualify?.
A glut of proletarians is the business worlds dream, which is why they are being positively encouraged to come here, so if you are expecting Cameron or any other party to stop the flow IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
Lets fix the benefit system to make it contribution-based. Then we would welcome these tax-paying claim-debarred young people, who lets face it, will at our pensions.
Britain is well and truley finished. In so many years to come we will be the Native British just like the Native Americans. If we are really lucky the government might give us reservation in some lonely cold part of Britain where we will be out of sight out of mind but I doubt very much that they would even give us that.. They may even learn about us in the school history lessons. Good bye Britain nice knowing you
The attraction is.......benefits
Man the barricades.
Of course they come here. We are a soft touch with a brainless government. UKIP for me. ex-Tory
Our streets are paved with gold but we call them Benefits, third attempt to get comment published on this subject.
So that will be even more downward pressure on the wages of anyone earning less than 40k a year then. Pay-Day loan companies must be loving this >.<
The way it is going we will soon have people sleeping rough on our streets. Don't say I didn't warn you. How do we expect these numbers of people to find work, find somewhere to live. It's completely and utterly crazy.
We have a major problem!!!!!.... The problem is most of the general public do not understand what is being DONE to this COUNTRY and WHY.
i am glad i left England for Canada go jays
You cannot stop it. The European juggernaut is unstoppable. Few years back when I heard the BBC ask the question "What doest mean to be British" I knew we lost all.
OF COURSE, the benefits system are FAR MORE generous in the UK than they are in other european countries.
Fredrick, 7:57 = No they dont they dont even like the english.
it is not about the UK being in the UE, it is about the UK having an absurdly generous benefit system. UKIP will just isolate the UK. Reform the system instead of looking for the scapegoat.
They are all in it together, Labour the Conservatives and the Liberals, the agenda being one European state. Did you notice that there were no Euro sceptics on the list of attendees at Bilderberg? Through economic ruin becomes a society dependant on the state which means more control by the state. One state one Europe. Scary!
We have a major problem!!!!!... The problem is most of the general public do not understand what is being DONE to this COUNTRY and WHY.
Fredrick, 7:57 = No they dont they dont even like the english.
This is what is causing our housing crisis. Close the door and no need for mass building on our flood plains and agricultural land. Less pressure on schools, hospitals and surgeries, less crime, less road congestion, less risk of water shortages....why do MPs not listen to common sense? Oh yes, I know...
If they all do flock here for the benefits - we should only have to give them what they would be entitled to in their own country - ?? Surely that would be seen to be fair by the EU courts?
Whilst we can never stop people wanting to come to Britain to live and work, what we have to do is stop the abuse of our welfare system.....and this is where David Cameron and his colleagues are completely out of touch,because they do not live in our communities where we see every day just how many non British there are amongst us. These people want our benefits but are not prepared to speak our language, follow our laws and ways and instead insist that they must be allowed every freedom under the sun but they themselves must never be criticised. Why should we Brits not be allowed to speak our minds......it is our country after all. The criteria must be that no one can claim any benefits at all until they have lived and WORKED in this country for 5 years and no entry into Britain unless you have a job to come to.
Well. I must say. I don't know what all the fuss is about. We should embrace allcomers, so let them come here. 700,00 might sound like a lot, but is it? i think it's a price worth paying. The more the merrier to add to our vibrant melting pot. Pray for Madiba.
Alex, 5:34 = Thats because its been forced on us we have never been asked if we wanted this.
should be proud so many want to visit us
that's the problem the Germans open the door to workers Britain has opened its doors to the shirkers
Limehouse, 11:09 = Kick them out.
Never mind howmany are going to the UK "to get jobs"...how many are going to get benefits or commit crime?
It's all to do with the benefits system....VOTE UKIP!!!!
Germany opens its doors BUT WE OPEN OUR BANK BALANCE! Now you decide where the BENEFITS are? UKIP to get us out of the EU would be my advice!
Benefits...houses...free healthcare...their needs put before ours...cos we mustn't upset other nationalities and religions....why wouldn't they flock here.
I am well aware of MY country's history ( Rob, Brisbane ) Some of it wasn't pretty.( whose is? ) But,if you are of British descent,you owe your existence to OUR building an Empire....You are living ( no doubt a full life,and good luck to you and yours ) in one of the dominions...WANT TO COME HOME?
When you beat a dog with a stick all the time, eventually it will turn round and bite you, be warned Cameron you are abusing your own, we've had enough. Just look at whats happening in Turkey and take a leaf out of their books before it happens here!!!!!!!
Cameron is a Bilderberg member - an organisation committed to a global government run by the political "elite" and big business - without the inconvenience of having to have elections, no doubt. The EU is the start, undemocratic, slowly absorbing one country after another, already trying to extend into Asia via Turkey. That`s why Obama is interfering by throwing his weight behind Cameron`s bid to keep us in the EU. We will NEVER get a referendum whilst the Lib/Lab/Con conspiracy controls us. "Democracy" has become a farce. Elections are meaningless - with minor, superficial differences, all three "main parties" follow the same agenda and completely ignore the voting population once elected.
I am currently working in The Netherlands but am British .. so is this not allowed either?
Why do we continualy vote these stupid idiots into power? I do not think we have one MP who realy does his/her best for the voters, they are only interested in making as much cash out of being an MP as they can get away with. Thieves and liars the lot of them and the Prime Minister is the biggest liar, we will never get a referendum out of this Europhile as long as he is in power. VOTE UKIP. R.S. Toddington
UKIP
Just CLOSE THE GATES and tell them that they don't need to come here they won't get in, but knowing CAMERLOON and this INEPT GOVERNMENT they won't oppose Brussels and refuse to admit any more aliens they will welcome them with open arms turning the country into and even bigger cesspit than it already is..
lets see all the benefit moaners deal with this lot coming to the uk,they will take your jobs because they do it cheaper and you will be on benefits,wonder if you will moan then about the (so called scroungers as you all put it)as you will be one yourself.
So UKIP would round up all the non English people and then do what with them?
the reason they dont go to germany is because they dont get a free ride , they have to pay for themselves and dont get put in houses before the locals , dont get frree NHS and housing benifits !!!!!as for - Rob , Brisbane, 11/6/2013 10:39=== how are the native australians doing ??? still treating them with contempt and in resverations ??? people in glass houses you know
lets see all the benefit moaners deal with this lot coming to the uk,they will take your jobs because they do it cheaper and you will be on benefits,wonder if you will moan then about the (so called scroungers as you all put it)as you will be one yourself.
And Entirely Without The Consent of The British People !
We're full..... No in fact we're over flowing! There's no more room.... the health service is about to break, and housing and schools aren't far behind....enough already!
Our fathers and forefathers fought and sweated to make this country what is. Why are we allowing outsiders to walk in and take what they built for us?
Referendum now.
The whole open door policy is just wrong; people from the poorer countries flock and take advantage of the richer countries....how is this fair? It's just a free-for-all. - Beige Britain, UK, 11/6/2013 13:21 =================================================================================== Beige this is called repayment, remember a rich country taking advantage of poorer countries that was called "The British Empire" and if you doubt me, for an example check the crown jewels in the Tower of London.
fine, come over, make sure you have a little money saved to get by for the first 2 months, but don't expect to get benefits. pay your own way....it's that simple. now why is that so hard for government to grasp.
We must get out of EU, NOW
"It's not rocket science - its called **BENEFITS!** - Gary Rose, Log Cabin on the lake., Canada, 11/06/2013 03:39 AM"=========== Myth.
This place offers FREE FREE FREE everything for FREE .. no wonder we're the prefered place to come and settle, cameron and milliband need their heads looking at if they think the E.U is GOOD for the UK.. it isnt, it never has been .. the E.U costs us mor eand more each year and we're dumped on more and more by the very people we chuck millions at each year... The 3 old skool useless partys we have endured for decades now have a new challenger and they are running scared like headless chickens... Take note prime minister, Mr Farage IS the ONLY one who can save this country, you have recently declared yourself PRO E.U, you lie constantly , your own party have lost confidence in you, Milliband wants us in the E.U & Clegg of the Liedems INSISTED we stayed in as part of the useless coalition pact, neither are potential replacements as they lie the same. No wonder so many are defecting to UKIP. Youve had your chances you deserve no more.. Goodbye Dave, shut the door as you leave.
Disgrace. Benefits should be for British citizens who have paid their fair share of income tax and National Insurance contributions.
Lets deal with the MAIN problem, being in the EU, Cameron won't get us out as he's lining up a job for when he is eventually ousted as PM, they have all done this before him, there is a whole world out there that we can do business with, like it was in the past, world trade, that's how we got so GREAT, we can and must start dealing with these countries again, selling Britain with what we offer, Europe, well that's in decline and can only get worse, we will still deal with them but as an outsider, looking in at their demise, if we leave the EU then all the Europeans living here will have to leave or apply for a working permit and they will not be allowed to receive any of our abundant benefits, so reducing the population and benefit payments, so I have to try this, WE have to try and achieve this goal, and the only party that will do this is UKIP, so please try and help ourselves by trying something new & hopefully helping us get the GREAT back into Britain, Labour & Conservative won,t.
They come here for what?the weather or is it that they can get free housing,free schooling free health care commit crimes and get off free, come over in their cars and pay no road tax etc maybe i don' know! but it must be something
Camoron is the deck chair attendant rearranging them on the Titanic.He will also sell you a ticket for the voyage too. Vote UKIP.
Joining lots of vastly different countries together was madness from the very start and allowing our country to join them was treasonable madness. Predicting our sorry state today was not difficult so why did they do it? Deliberate wrecking or stupidity or zero foresight? Either way we don't want governments like that ever again.
UKIP please get in ASAP your country needs you & you appear to be the ONLY politicians left who even CARE!
You have to accept that britain is stuffed! you must put it all out of your minds or you will become suicidal! The Samaritans are struggling as it is.!Open your hearts[ and wallets] to the poor people who want to come and be your friends, you are noted throughout the world for your tolerance and generosity. Rejoice! for your place in heaven is assured!! Bless you!!
Another one of your 5-a day served by UKIP!
Wild guess here but might be something to do with the handouts they get in this country and not in others!!!!!
The "deluded" fools who still think Britain is Great
The reason is other countries don't give out free money,free schools,free health care and a free house,Britain does and until it stops the practise millions more will keep coming,just wait for Turkey to join the EU,I bet Britain is their first choice as well.
Get out of EU this is serious!
Meanwhile the natives are leaving in droves.
Little Englanders "to the rescue" by using rubbish comments and invalid arguments. - martinlondon , London, United Kingdom, 11/6/2013 09:14-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Xenophile Spouting platitudes without any argument what so ever.
YEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!.....................And there's nothing that the 'Stop the World I want to get off-ers' can do about it,because it's called freedom to live and freedom to choose,wherever they want to go.Get used to it. - hotdogsandonions, chengdu, China, 11/6/2013 9:14..............Yeah, and you can get used to staying and living back in CHINA, because the likes of you are not welcome over here either IDIOT.....YEEEESSSSS??????????
And the mail supported the unelected Tories into government .... never again i hope.
Cameron is the one who is in denial if he thinks we can go on indefinitely taking in hundreds of thousands ,finding them homes ,schools for their children as well as providing them with heathcare and other benefits .Hopefully this article will help to convince the UKIPsceptics out there .
What a joke this is!! Stop letting them in!! What about British people who want to work but can't because of these people? - chubby , England, 11/6/2013 09:13 ---------------- If they want to work, they should get on their bikes and go and look for it, then make an effort once they have found it. Work doesn't fall from the sky, you know.
VOTE UKIP to shut the doors!
Fill the honey pot with vinegar then watch the flies disappear ................
It's the benefits and free housing that attracts them here, not work. Vote ukip
And another outstandingly good reason why UKIP will get my vote.
**The Eurostat figures also showed that workers from other EU countries are less likely to be unemployed in Britain than native British workers**... Only UKIP are committed to democracy and the British.
total agree with these comment we can,t find work for our people english man no homes for the english man no schools for our kids no beds for our old people net it will be no food no water we are mugs it got to stop now pm would you over load a sinking boat well that what your doing
English is taught as a second language practically all over the rest of the world, together with the generous benefits and a tolerant society...Although there is resentment the Govt don't take much notice and ofcourse Bliar and Mandelson and Gordon are the biggest culprits of masses arriving here...
I lived in 6 different countries recent years... Will get my degree this year and then will move somewhere else. I dont like UK.,- I only like my town here:D I wanna next year try to live outside from Europe .. I hope I ll can share my experience here after few years.....
This is probably because of our free-flow benefits and willingness to accept other countries rejects.
England is closed until further notice. Try Germany.....................
Soft Touch Britain, the Laughing Stock of the World. Sad but true.
Easy touch Britain, will we never learn.
YEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!.....................And there's nothing that the 'Stop the World I want to get off-ers' can do about it,because it's called freedom to live and freedom to choose,wherever they want to go.Get used to it. - hotdogsandonions, chengdu, China, 11/6/2013 9:14 +++ You really think theres NOTHING WE CAN DO? You are SO stupid! Trust me dog when I tell you there is a HUGE amount we CAN and WILL do to protect OUR Country, we WILL retain OUR Country, we WILL stop these leaches from entering, we WILL get out of the EU, we WILL bring normality back to England! There are many of us, Englishmen all, prepared to fight to defend OUR Country and make sure this happens! The English Lion is NOT dead, he is at slumber but when he wakes his anger at those who would harm those of this Very England will be terrible to behold!
Whilst we have unemployment of our own our borders should remain closed.
Paraphrasing caroline quentin: what first attracted you to the lavish benefits and luxury social housing culture of great Britain?
But cameron wont do a damn thing about it, he is so PRO EU its unbelievable! We need to get him out of the position of PM and get someone in who will do what WE the people of this once great country want, this is still ENGLAND and there are still some of us, Englishmen all prepared to stand up and fight to retain OUR Country. Cameron is NOT what we want, he needs to go and NOW!
hasnt no one worked it out yet, its not the work its the generrous social security and free had outs they would get in uk!!! not rocket science is it duhhhhhhhh
Little Englanders "to the rescue" by using rubbish comments and invalid arguments.
YEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!.....................And there's nothing that the 'Stop the World I want to get off-ers' can do about it,because it's called freedom to live and freedom to choose,wherever they want to go.Get used to it.
What a joke this is!! Stop letting them in!! What about British people who want to work but can't because of these people?
YEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!.....................And there's nothing that the 'Stop the World I want to get off-ers' can do about it,because it's called freedom to live and freedom to choose,wherever they want to go.Get used to it.
Only moan on here if you vote U K I P. V OTE U K I P You know it makes sense.
Cameron will go into the history books along with Blair and Brown as one of the traitors that changed the face of Britain.Vote other than UKIP and you are aiding and abetting them,
well if Germany didn't open it's borders until 2011 why did we rush into it so soon ,we've now got more than our quota so put up the sorry no vacancy signs.
They don't want to come here to work, they want to come here and get a house and money for nothing.
UKIP. Now.
Well there's a surprise.
Too generous with our benefits !!!!!!
The problem is that a large minority of the people living here speak English.
It is a problem of language. Everyone in Europe learns English; our children barely learn French, German or Spanish, so the chances of reciprocal job-seeking are minimal. And don't get me started on university loans on the same terms for them as for us, so that we pay them loans that they then default on. Transylvania University of Bra¿ov, anyone?
Of course it's still the most descended on country in the EU you morons - everybody can get benefits or work because there are no visa requirements or laws to say someone has to be here for years before they are allowed to either work here or milk the system. Add to that the fact that most nationalities can speak English to a degree and we're pretty much doomed.
Hmm now i wonder why they all want to come here, is it because this country appears to be so welcoming to them, and they all think they will get what they want in the end. It's so very wrong, when will the the government do somthing about it..
We all know the reason why!!!!! We have enough unemployment of our own, people sleeping on the streets, Great Britain, will never be the same again. Before welcoming others we should get our own into jobs and housing.
Of course they want Britain. Just go to London and see the thousands housed in comparative luxury at tax payers expense, sat all day on their balconies watching the world go by. Take in the rest of the country and it totals hundreds of thousands. They just can't believe their luck, or our stupidity. The lefty's are happy though.
Time to give up! Let's face it folks it's too late to do anything about the impending mess this country has become purely due to mass immigration & the EU. I love those people who said like one Swedish national I spoke to that being in the EU will prevent another World war. What a load of tosh because the very factor that's causing social instability, mass immigration because of the EU, will inevitably spark off some sort of conflict. With hindsight, I'm one hundred percent certain that if I could have turned the clock back I'd have left this country & Europe when I was younger.
If I didn't have school aged children, I'd seriously sell the house and company, and move to Bulgaria, somewhere near the beach. I wouldn't be claiming an form of state benefit, either! I do agree that we need to close the borders, especially when we have 2.5m unemployed in the UK already!
A couple of things we can all be pretty sure of .... At the next election, there isn't much doubt that UKIP will totally obliterate and wipe-out the LibDems. This will give UKIP the "balance of power" - if any other party wants to form a government - they will be forced to do a "deal" with UKIP. And, never worry much about either the Conservative or Labour "mob vote" ... they always pretty much cancel each other out.
Will those who took part in this "analysis" from Eurostat think they're enlightening us all? Every British citizen has known this blatantly obvious statistic for ten years and more. What we all want to know is what the European union and the British government are going to do about it but I won't hold my breath.
Will those who took part in this "analysis" from Eurostat think they're enlightening us all? Every British citizen has known this blatantly obvious statistic for ten years and more. What we all want to know is what the European union and the British government are going to do about it but I won't hold my breath.
Cameron is such a moron. Why doesn't he look around the country he is suppose to be PM for and see how a vast majority of the people are hurting. We are sick and tired of vast sums of money going abroad while we are still allowing huge amounts of immigrants to come here and undercut the wages. It's time for everybody to come together and vote for UKIP, even if it's just for one off.
Will those who took part in this "analysis" from Eurostat think they're enlightening us all? Every British citizen has known this blatantly obvious statistic for ten years and more. What we all want to know is what the European union and the British government are going to do about it but I won't hold my breath.
I just want to live in an England that still looks like England, is that so very wrong?? I don't want to be a minority in my own city. Which I now am. And still they keep coming.....
So much for the words of Cameron,immigration has dropped,lies.lies.lies and more lies, from our I'm alright jack government leaders???.
It's because the immigrants only have to work hard to get here: once on British soil they can take early retirement courtesy of a generous welfare system and a government full of loony Liberals who need to be ousted from our government a.s.a.p.
NO MORE IMMIGRANTS! WE DONT WANT YOU...
UKIP The other losers are to blame for all this garbage.
The eastern European who come to this country would have gone to France if they were after benefits. Please check the facts before you chat rubbish. They work hard to keep many Brits on benefits.
Kerching !
You really do need to make an example of these immigrants. They come here because we let them. Any other country would have beat them to a pulp and sent them packing.
WHY--- Because our idiotic government are trying to make themselves look like the good guys of the E.U. they are using up taxes paid in by the British to GIVE AWAY to immigrants who want to come here just because they will be looked after,free of charge, many times at the expense of our taxpayers,many who have struggled through their lives to look after their own families. STOP immigration for at least five years until Britain can start to get back on it's feet,the money given to immigrants should go to or own needy,and to keep open our hospitals etc. Britain is far too overcrowded .
..and leaving the EU would be madness, as then Germany, France, Belgium will just give them free passage on to the UK and if you think we have problems now, just wait until the rest of Europe consider us a dumping ground for their dross..
vote ukip. in farage we trust
The politicians want us to stay in EU because that's where the high paying jobs and fat cat pensions are. When Dave leaves No10 he can become an EU commissioner and earn 3 x as much, look at Baroness Ashton, loads of money. The simple question is this, do we want to govern ourselves and control our own borders, or be told what to do by Brussels? Dave has not won any concessions about our membership, nor is he likely to.
'Britain' as you call it is fast becoming an illusion, it has lost its identity and its soul. A disastrous immigration policy is entirely to blame. No more please - One out//One in, the only sensible emigration/immigration ratio.
Well I for one, have had enough, I won't be welcoming any of them....I feel I have been let down by our weak Governments that has created this farce with mass immigration.... I live in a small seaside town, the amount of small Eastern European shops that have opened up, and languages you hear spoken on the streets has gone beyond believing you are actually living in Britain....
WE ALREADY KNOW THIS ITS ONLY THE POLITITIANS WHO THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID THAT KEEP TRYING TO TELL US OTHERWISE
If we Vote UKIP and leave the EU then all the Europeans living here will have to leave or apply for a working permit and they will not be allowed to receive any of our abundant benefits, so reducing the population, benefit payments and strain on OUR NHS, WE have to try and achieve this goal, and the only party that will do this is UKIP, so please try and help ourselves by trying something new & hopefully helping us get the GREAT back into Britain, Labour & Conservative won,t.
you have a choice folks, vote Labour for more mass immigration. vote conservative and liberal if you want more mass immigration ,vote for all 3 of our main stream parties if you want to stay in Europe. vote for any of the above if you want our country to be totally destroyed ,by mass immigration, vote for the above if you want our state pensions caped at £107 per week. For all our pensioners who paid in for 40/50 years ,that's all they get plus a bus pass and £200 a year heating allowance. All the above want to take these off our pensioners. now here is the other side ,Cameron /clegg and miliband will give all immigrants criminals, gangsters and people smugglers, along with none and low skilled workers , £26000 a year for just coming here ,they will build all over our green country side for the immigrants ,Cameron wants to build on 2,500 square miles of our green fields to house them . The only part who will listen to you and your worries is UKIP,SAVE THE UK FOR YOUR KIDS,VOTE UKIP.
Hang on they cant come in till we kick our old folk out of their homes and hospital beds to make way for them!
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THEY CAN COME AND SPEW THEIR HATE ON THE STREETS? CAN DEMAND ANY SORT OF RIGHTS AND WE GIVE THEM TO THEM ? OUR LAWS ARE SOFT ON THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY BREAK THEM? WE HOUSE THEM AND GIVE THEM MONEY TO SEND HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES FOR DOING NOTHING? UKIP IN ASAP
We natives are at breaking point.....
Stop all Benefits, free NHS, housing & credits, see how many want to come to the UK then.
Do you UKIP will kick them out, i don't think so.
We have 3,000,000 unemployed. The real figure is probably double that. Why do we need millions more to come here to this overcrowded expensive Island. I'll tell you why. It is because those who make the rules (the very rich) make them to suit their own wishes. Politicians are not representing you, they are in it for themselves. Can anybody name a current MP or 'Lord' who is honest and is in parliament to serve the electorate? We live in a plutocracy.
Well, word does get around quickly these days, especially when those immigrants on they way over to Britain, already have friends, relatives already living the life of Luxury, free off the British, Benefits, Health, Housing.....No wonder they want to come over here....this country's real Identity is vanishing....it can only get worse. Multiculturalism, and Immigration in this country doesn't work, your deluded if you think it works..
INSANITY , VOTE UKIP AND JOIN UKIP
They have no intention of working, as every single statistic available shows. They are here to abuse our system and what are our so called government doing about it? NOTHING. Makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. UKIP have definitely got my vote.
After 1 million have arrived and joined the benefits culture then they will say oh we are surprised at how many have come to the UK." we did not see that coming" will be the well worn quote used again the same as when Poland joined. Doesn't matter which leading party is in charge as long as we are part of the EU come and get it gang then it will go on and on.
With a lavish benefit system like ours why not bring the family , get yourself a nice house, second hand BMW and more money than you have ever dreamed of. It's paradise !
The ONLY reason for this is two words: FREE MONEY!
So faced with this how many voters are still going to put X next to LabLibCon? Is UKIP starting to look attractive yet?
It's the benefits, stupid.
First,you had the ones who looked for work here,now you have the ones who want to take everything whilstbeing on Benefits.Just look at the Birth Rate etc.,of these people.
And the reason for this may just be to do with our free-flowing benefits and acceptance of everybody elses unwanted.
Why is that surprising? We give handouts
WHY???????????????
Not one of the major parties has a population policy, it is not even debated. The numbers which the UK can sustain are readily avaialble, around 28M. Some day all developed countries will have to control their borders, in the case of the UK it should have started years ago. (Note for politicians - We no longer have an Empire to sustain your vision of Lemming Land.)
Pull up the drawbridge! The NHS is creaking, school are bursting, housing is in short supply and there are no jobs. The weather is rubbish therefore the only thing attracting Johnny-foreigner is the over-generous benefits. Sort it out Dave, because if you don't, UKIP will.
Our weak useless Government bow down to easily to the bureaucrats in Europe , just tell them to get stuffed,doubt they will be able to do much.
If you attract unskilled, unemployable migrants they will consume the products of big businesses who don't pay their fair share of tax. The benefits they live on will be paid by working taxpayers and pensioners.
Migrants come to the UK to take advantage of the ridiculous open-door benefits system which could, and should, be tightened up. EU migrants who cannot support themselves, have no health cover, or who have criminal records, can, and should, be deported. Non-EU migrants have no automatic entry rights. So get your act together, UK politicians, and do the job you are paid To do. Get your snouts out of the trough for a moment !
Britain hands out Benefits! When they go "Outside the Law", Britain won't deport them!
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE ROOM, nu liebore opened the doors, nu liebore signed the treaty's, nu liebore opened the borders, nu liebore pays huge amounts in benefits, DO NOT blame the romanians, BLAME NU LIEBORE
You get people ranting and raving about this constant and massive immigration - then they go straight out and vote for our three - EU fanatical - parties.... who keep delivering more of it. One thing you can always be sure of in life ..... "stupid always does - as stupid always is".
As if WE did not know this already.!! Walk down any street,look in a benefits office,look at the amount of housing given to them.!! They come here for jobs? WHO ARE YOU KIDDING.!!
I know of one factory in my town that only employs foreign workers at less than minimum wage .This firm also rents the workers houses it owns and,most importantly perhaps,fills in benefits claim forms for tax credits,housing benefits and shows them the child benefits scam.Now I am damn sure that this is common practice with firms employing foreigners.Why should the taxpayer be enriching these crooked employers and their massive scams?Working tax credits is being exploited on a massive scale and has to be stopped.This is also used by most supermarkets employing part time staff which one report says costs the taxpayer £50.00 per job.
They want to come here to work? I think not....
So what will the Nero impersonator in number ten be doing about this? Que the tumbleweed and silence. I thought nobody could have been as bad as old Mc Broon but call me Dave has proved me wrong.
This is beyond ridiculous. In fact it is insanity allowing all these people to come here. Ca-moron is not listening. Nigel Farage is. So vote UKIP to put a stop to this.
Of course because it's the benefit system that's why they love to come to the UK, scrap the system, makes it harder for the new comer without the money/education/knowledge/skill than obviously less people will come, it's not a rocket science ... duuuh!
I feel so sad for our children, how are they expected to get decent employment when competing against those who live in makeshift shanty towns or overcrowded accommodation while undercutting wages and working illegally. They can't get social housing because priority goes to incomers and they can't get a mortgage because they can't get permanent, decently paid work - it's just wrong and absolutely sickening that we have to pay taxes to support this. We need a major change in this country. The buffoons running it should be locked up. Bring on an election.
The white working class of this country are doomed.
It is obvious to all now that Cameron wants to stay in the EU. He will never get the veto on closing our borders to EU citizens from his EU masters. Time for huge change in British politics. we need to vote UKIP on block. Lets tell this political elite we are not having it any more!
Is it because they fit in better with the British?
This really is a disgrace. The British people did not want this situation. We can see the problems with a clarity of vision that parliament totally lacks. Too many immigrants, too fast and for all the wrong reasons- thanks Labour! The Tories have their heads in the sand, Labour just want the votes and to hell with the country. UKIP are the only party listening!
No one seems to me mentioning that the English language being the lingua franca of the world might also have a part to play.
We might take twice as many migrants as Germany, but the twist is that they take all the engineers, doctors, dentists etc, and we take the criminals, labourers, and unskilled!
until we reduce our child benefits to only one child ,eastern Europeans will still head here.
Its called social engineering and it architect was the labour party's dark knight Peter Mandelson! He as given Cameron orders to carry on with plenty of the same! If you want more of it keep voting for the LieLimpCon "Party" Its not for me I have a family to worry about so its obvious its UKIP! For me and all my family!
I think you will find the Eurostat figures out of date and one dimensional. According to German statistics a total of ONE MILLION immigrants (not just EU) went to Germany in 2012. This is equivelant to us having 500,000 immigrants with their extended families. On this basis is it any wonder that Germany is proving an ally to Britain on immigration control? You will not hear this figure mentioned on the BBC and left wing media or almost any media, but it is in the public domain.
Britain is dead the LibLabCons have seen to that - hope they are proud that they have destroyed their own nation, culture, and indigenous children's prospects...
LG, you may not need all that you said, but you definitely need more properly qualified nurses and doctors and so many more! I have lived in England for the last 10 years and never have I received proper NHS treatment!
Magnet! more like fly paper,looking at the dross & bloodsuckers that it attracts,
As a country we simply do not need any more taxi drivers, kebab shop owners, pizza delivery drivers, big issue sellers, car wash staff, petrol station operators, drug pushers, metal thieves, waiters, muggers, carrot pickers and other low paid workers because that's all they do and we have enough people already here to do that. They don't come here to open up coal mines, start up factories, build shipyards or do anything that will build the economy and then offer jobs to thousands of others.
shocker!!
I'll spell it out for the government, seeing as they seem to have so much trouble understanding this; THEY COME HERE FOR OUR RIDICULOUSLY GENEROUS BENEFITS. Add to that our public service's obsession with political correctness and it's no wonder we're the first choice of immigrants!
But of course Britain is the biggest magnet . . . They don't have a job lined up before they leave and they ain't coming here for our climate. . The EU has been the most destructive curse ever inlicted on the UK.
It's all about the benefit money and nhs most of the people that come here are leeches.
Everyone wants to learn the English language as it is international and is the second language taut in their schools. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh the irony
Britain and particularly it's young people are doomed.
A French minister once asked what makes them all want to come to England, is it the food or the weather?
OK Germany will take all the University Grads.... UK will have all ones that pass through, we get all the ones the others don't want, or the Benefit Scroungers, seems Germany done that a few years ago
We need a tapered benefits system that's no more genourous than any other EU country when you have contributed nothing you get barely anything back, but the longer you have been contributing then the better the reward should you need it - to protect those who have already paid in.
Personally I dont like having all these foreign people in this country.A lot of the crimes in London has proved to be Romanian gangs so I hope we can stop them coming here.
Soft touch Politicians ! Soft touch Britain ! Rip Off the UK Tax Payers but not the Tax Avoiders ??? Says it all really !!!
Do you wonder they come here, everything is paid for, at the tax payers expense. Madness.
Roll up roll up all you migrants come to the UK, you get a free house, Heath care, and money to go pub . What more would any one want
As I have said many times, when this open door policy was planned they should have equalised the benefits system for all the EU countries and if any country couldn't raise its benefits to the empirical level they should not have been allowed the open door policy until they did. However another problem is that a lot of the present EU countries whose kids come here want to learn English and that obviously boosts the numbers up. Personally, I think it is just a cheap labour in the UK and probably the other richer nations. But it does come at a huge cost to this country on top of the housing crisis, the lack of employment, the NHS under pressure and all the other non benefits that will occur because of this policy and it should be stopped. Unfortunately, in London the problem is already beginning to show with shanty towns being built and so many begging on the streets... Oh and don't forget they ship most of their money back home so a lack of disposable income from migrants occurs
Yes it's true that English is probably the most international language . Common phrases such as Give me ,I want,I know my rights , social security ,money for food,money for baby and got any change are probably top of the list.
I notice your leader says coming to take JOBS ------- It should read---coming to take BENEFITS --there are no jobs !!!
"Britain is STILL the biggest migrant magnet in Europe despite Germany and other countries opening their doors to workers from Eastern Europe." Tell us something we do not already know, it has been happening for the last 15 years ever since Labour introduced its policy of unfettered immigration and since 1998 net migration means 5.6 million foreigners have poured into this country. THAT'S WHY our public social services, health, education and housing, are in a damned mess!!
About the only thing Britain excels at these days, attracting immigrants.
People will always head for the softest option.
Given that we now import 50% of our food this is ABSOLUTE MADNESS. A small archipelago such as ours cannot maintain such a population without massive ecological damage and does not have the natural resources to sustain such population growth The parts of the world which will be capable of supporting themselves and avoiding famine will be those with low population density. Enough of the excuses about "human rights" and think long-term you numpties!
The government should not make this country so welcoming for immigrants, untill that happens they will want to keep wanting to come to this country
Everyone wants to learn the English language as it is international and is the second language taut in their schools.
We might as well change our name from England, to Eurasia. Soon the Englishman will be a minority.
Tell me something I don't know
Well there's a BIG surprise!!! Soft touch UK as usual. Bet all those poor souls that fought for our country in the two world wars would be horrified if they could come back, and see what has happened!!!
There mustn't be anyone left in these eastern countries!!!!
Don't blame them if the doors open they will all walk in because we don't have a joined up Parliament they still think they are there just for the jollys
How sad that our once great country has been sold from beneath us by successive governments only too willing to pursue social engineering strategies for short term political advantage, all at the expense of the largely ignored indigent citizen population. Hang your heads in shame all politicians from the 70's to the present date.
Take down the bird feeder and the birds will go elsewhere - simples!
Germany is bigger than the UK and France is twice as big as the UK and 4X England but the flood gates remain open. Taking the NHS as a prime example, why are we not closing the doors and giving our wonderful country the breathing space it needs to re-evolve itself as being British once again. Also follow Australia by forcing the immigrants already here to learn our language and offer the door to those who don't. Finally stop giving them housing and make them work to afford their own accommodation just like we Brit's have to.
Does anyone in th UK, other than the people who might actually be in a position to stop it, believe that we won't be swamped come January...?
Britain is in MELT DOWN and David Cameron is too weak to act , you don't need to hire over paid advisors telling everyone that all is working well because its NOT , read the comments here to get a view of what's really going on in the real world . If you need another advisor call me
Let us all hope that they find "work " close to number 10 .
Exactly what the Governing classes want. Keep the plebs scared, on the run, disorganised. Keep blaming the Brussels Boogie man. More people = more power and the excuse to break down the NHS etc . This system is heading for a mighty implosion, that will see billions dead.
183,000 net migration, thats 500,000 good brits out and 200,000 low skilled 3rd world immigrants in. Now you tell me where our country is heading socialy and economically!
Our economy needs hard working people but they should be British! Ok, there are many in the indigeneous population who would rather be on benefit than work. That has to change even if it means supposed "hardship" for individuals who have got used to taking handouts. But we have to close our doors and change the attitude of our own "potential" workforce to fill the jobs that are available and to put in a fair day's work for a fair day's pay! The influx of workers from outside means the taxpayer having to support more British people with benefits - as well as those economic migrants who enter the UK purely to live the easy life we provide - and the de-stabilisation of our society through an inbalance of cultural attitudes that inevitably leads to unrest and anger.
we voted tory. because we thought they would stop it. AND IT IS GETTINGWORSE. ditch the libs. get a grip
But there are no jobs, so why are they coming over really? Because Britain hasn't got the correct system in place to not give benefits to immigrants.
Why have Brits invaded the rest of the world?
We are more popular solely because of our over the top benefits,if we go to France or to live in other EU countries there is not the possibilty of living off their states as there is here. and no free health services either.
Benefits and poor justice system?,free rein for all.
I will never vote Tory again as long as I live, I thought they would fix this problem, but they are as bad as Labour on immigration, Discusting
Reason enough never to vote liblabcon ever again.
Now doubt this news will be welcomed by the anti-English BBC.
Disappointed in this article as it contains an awful lot of conjecture. The headline suggests that there are facts to support its assertions but few numbers are quoted and those that are, are subject to interpretation.
It is Cameron who is in denial. We have millions unemployed, yet still Dave 'it doesn't affect me' Cameron is happy to see more immigrants arrive. We will have to provide housing, schools, hospitals, benefits, utilities, policing etc for all these people. How can this Country afford this? Utter madness. Join/support/donate to and then vote for UKIP.
Yes they opened their doors but not their purses.
For God's sake Cameron, do something NOW!!!!!!
Thats because we are the most generous with our benefits, we will be soft on crime with them. they will crowd up our already over crowded NHS, and they can sue us if we hurt there feelings. Who wouldn't want to move to a country like this
As kids playing in the streets all over the UK in 1945/46 we would chear as our Dads came marching home at the end of WW2 . For our Dads to be retuning home in 2013 and finding the UK as it is today , they would all be saying what did my mates die for . VOTE UKIP .
Excellent , good to hear that we are a destination of choice . May countries wound be pleased that they could attract young hardworking people to drive the economy forward
While we are waiting to get out of the Madhouse called the EU... Adopt the same rules as the other EU countries on immigrants benefits ect ...That should stop the flow a bit !
Not rocket science, don't pay benifit unless paid into the system for FIVE years.
They can come here, sell the Big Issue, and that apparently gives them 'self employed' status. then they are welcome to jobseekers allowance and everything else...of course they are going to come to Benefits Britain. Mr Cameron it is YOU and Lib/Lab/Con that are in Denial! Clueless one and all. I will be voting UKIP and voting us out of the wretched EU.
Our incompetent politicians have sold the normal UK citizen down the drain. The cancer is Terminal they can't stop it. Surly it would be better if these East Europeans were back in there home countries with there families helping to build there own economies up.
Politicians are blowing lots of "Hot Air" as usual but doing absolutely "Nothing".
Cesspit of Europe providing free money for nothing. No house, no benefits and no healthcare - see how quickly they find somewhere else to go
As the situation in other EU countries gets worse, more will come to the UK. A contractor my husband works for has recently taken on 2 Greek labourers at minimum wage. They openly say they came here because they could not house or feed their family in Greece and at least here if there is no work they can get benefits/housing. I don't blame them I blame the system, and until we leave the EU we cannot control immigration into the UK.
Well all their friends and family are already here, why would they want to go anywhere else?
Britain is STILL the biggest migrant magnet in Europe .... because of our generous housing & benefits? Because we bend over backwards to accommodate everyone? Because once they arrive, it is almost impossible to remove anyone even if they turn to crime ....
This should be stopped immediately and our young unemployed forced to take these jobs. Of course will never happen with our liberal lot, blue, red or pink nothing will be done. So vote UKIP the only party that will stop this unsustainable flow that will totally kill this country off both financially and culturally.
Where else in the world can you have money thrown at you and, if you commit a crime, you get away with it?
And Cameron is still saying we need Europe, exactly why do we need it , Genbgdral election now, or we need a no confidence motion brought up in parliment
"The Eurostat figures also showed that workers from other EU countries are less likely to be unemployed in Britain than native British workers." This figure is meaningless unless backed up by actual numbers of unemployed, whether the work is full-time/part/time/seasonal, whether the employment of migrants depresses the wage market. and how many are also entitled to welfare benefits. Even on the basic information it is clear this country, and particularly the south, is in danger of imploding.
And we wonder why there is pressure on infrastructure?
And people wonder why there aren't any jobs for the native English.
That's because the vast majority of us Brits are much in favour of increased immigration. Britain is on course to become the biggest economy in Europe in the next few decades, in part thanks to liberal immigration policies.
The headline says it all. Germany and other countries open their doors for workers. We open our doors to the scroungers.
It's all a mish mash of a melting pot. Nationals from major european countries hate their own country that much they up sticks and abandon them to come here. Surely they should be cpntributing and building their own economies instead of burdening the housing system and social structure here. Soon motorways wil be gridlocked if they aren't already. More green belt land will be required for more housing. The national identity of the UK is being so badly eroded a true englishman, irishman, welshman and scotsman will be hard to find. In 20-30 years national sports teams will be filled with 'foregn' sounding names that even now i'm confused about my own identity. Who are you? Who am i? What is my nationality? What is my country? Where is it? It's lost?
Or it should be like the way the UAE is. They are very smart. I have worked here for 8 years. I will never ever get the passport as its exclusive but I accept that, jobs will be given to their own before anyone else which I think is fair enough I'm just an expat and they live here so they should get a job before me, their government takes very good care of them. There is no free welfare here, I'm on my hubby's insurance which makes hospitals top class wonderful and I'm not working at moment so my husband supports me not the government or anyone else him. I agree with all of this and we live very nice lives here, oh and schools here cost around 4000 pound a year per child so you won't be going having loads of kids unless ur loaded
Because EVERYTHING is given to them on a plate at the expense of our own people
How many times are we going to be told this? We the public have to wait until 2015 to have our vote but the Government can do something sooner, we want them to, but they ain't listening
It is not because they like the place. It is because it is, as one Pole told me, a promised land which gives away free money to all. They don't come to Spain because they know they will get nothing if they don't work. So who is the stupid one?
Your comments:there are no jobs for us, so why are they so keen to come here...oh yes of course that would be for the free house and benefits, silly me. Makes me mad
Just shows what a tolerant society we are, it makes me proud to be British.
It is very harsh to our workers society and by continuing to have this amount of people coming here from other Nation States to take up our employment, will only result in more harsher conditions such as higher rents, higher bedroom tax for those who are charged it and as for the working class like myself' I will see my taxes rise and no wage rise. It won't bring us as a Nation more bussineses or jobs and it is not the way forward. Brussels do not care about Britain, they see it as a gold mine for all to come to make our wage only to send back home to spend so our econamy suffers only like everybody else who will suffer while other Nation States prosper from taxes our country loses out on. That is the whole idea of the open door policy. It will ruin us, Can't everyone see this and vote UKIP for an exit, let's get out of this political prison please!!!
"Britain is still the biggest migrant magnet in Europe ..."Couldn't have anything to do with the UK's porous borders and generous benefits system could it?
People come to UK because the majority of them can speak English or at least some English. I would never go anywhere else in Europe because I do not know their language.
Where on earth are future immigrants going to live?Does this mean that more green belt will be built on? Also not much doubt that some of their British earnings will be sent out of the country.No change there then.
Its gratifying to see that Britain is still maintaining is status as the preferred destination for Eastern European migrants, despite competition from Germany and other major EU economies which are getting wise and opening their doors. Hopefully the extremely hard-working ethic and habits of our Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian EU compatriots will help lift Britain out of the economic and social quagmire it slips ever deeper into!
GET US OUT NOW
Where will they live. Where will they work. How will we sustain them in terms of public services. Frightening.
The English language is also a factor. Being the international business language, and also the international music & entertainment language (thanks to the global success of artists from the UK, USA, Ireland, Australia, Canada etc) it is the language that foreign nationals are most exposed to and want to learn most, after their own.
It's not rocket science - its called **BENEFITS!**
It is because of benefits. If one wants to work one goes to Germany, if one wants a cheque for not working one moves to Britain!
This is a great vote of confidence for the UK. Having a pool of unskilled immigrants is great for a country as it keeps infl;ation down and prevents wage inflation like what is present here in australia where a truck driver earns over $100K a year. I would like to know who the UKIP will have picking all the fruit and veg if they get in?
The whole open door policy is just wrong; people from the poorer countries flock and take advantage of the richer countries....how is this fair? It's just a free-for-all.
A country that cannot control its borders is no longer sovereign.....
And yet non eu partners/spouse of British born have to jump through hoops and spend thousands of pounds to settle there. Why???
It's because most people learn English at school all over the world. Not many learn German as part of state funded education. Common sense people.
And how many claiming benefits did it go up by? You'll find a much greater number.
Of course we are. We are also known as the biggest mugs.
and why wont they when unable to get a job we'll give them money and a home for nothing whilst we have families here living in poverty. shut the borders and let the charity begin at home.
I demand an election, I have no faith in our politicians.
These statistics are based on the migrants know about...........how many don't we know about ?
Of course they come here...our silly govt gives away everything gor free. One solution only people: UKIP
I wonder why this is? TOO tolerant and TOO soft perhaps. It's time us Brits cut out the stiff upper lip twaddle and spoke our minds then maybe we would not be seen as such an easy target.
Berlin is determined to ensure that the distribution of EU migrants across the continent of Europe is being handled fair and square. Therefore, highly skilled and otherwise desirable migrants will be able to emigrate to Germany and Germany only, whereas unskilled and/or otherwise undesirable migrants will be shipped off to Britain. Europe is well on track to become a powerhouse economically and a habitat which will be the envy of the world for people to live in. The euro currency is on its way to become top dog world currency replacing the mighty US dollar not too long. Plans already are underway to trade the barrel of oil in euros on the world market instead of dollars. More and more countries are lining up to join the euro currency. Front runner is the UK. The United States of Europe led by Germany is working. Changes and overhauls are currently underway throughout the continent to bring the whole of Europe into line with Germany's way of doing things. All for the better to all of us
Berlin is determined to ensure that the distribution of EU migrants across the continent of Europe is being handled fair and square. Therefore, highly skilled and otherwise desirable migrants will be able to emigrate to Germany and Germany only, whereas unskilled and/or otherwise undesirable migrants will be shipped off to Britain. Europe is well on track to become a powerhouse economically and a habitat which will be the envy of the world for people to live in. The euro currency is on its way to become top dog world currency replacing the mighty US dollar not too long. Plans already are underway to trade the barrel of oil in euros on the world market instead of dollars. More and more countries are lining up to join the euro currency. Front runner is the UK. The United States of Europe led by Germany is working. Changes and overhauls are currently underway throughout the continent to bring the whole of Europe into line with Germany's way of doing things. All for the better to all of us
we the British public don't need official figures to tell us this we can see it happening before our very eyes . schools, hospitals, doctors surgeries are all becoming rapidly oversubscribed.
These immigrants know that German, France and other European countries have a higher standard of living than Britain. They also know that benefits are higher over here and political parties like Labour give preference to immigrants.
has anyone asked do we want them here?
Britain - get the sugar off the table and close the borders
That's because they can get Tax credits, Child benefits, Housing benefit, Council houses, and loads of other money if they lose their jobs after a few months.
Well that's a hard one, please pay me an MP's wage and expenses to come up with the answer the rest of the population already know. An answer that will not be found wasting millions on a study that will only serve to line the pockets of MP's mates. An answer that will still not be addressed when they start giving long boring speeches on how it was the fault of every government before them going back to Churchill !!!
Only a fool thinks that the vast majority of migrants are flocking to the UK to work...........Its all about getting Nnemployment and Child Benefits, Housing, Education and using the National Health Service for free.....Its about time the borders were sealed shut, and a massive clearout of people was put in place..... There is NO need for a mass influx labour force, when there are MILLIONS of British people unemployed who should always be put first!
of course they flock to the UK - where they get the biggest handouts and still rake in child benefits even when they return to their homeland (I know of a case first hand).
Make it a rule that no new migrants can get housing or benifits for five years and see how many turn up then ,"not a lot"
And still our useless politicians DO NOTHING.
3 million unemployed how much longer do we have to take this,close the boarders and start clearing out
What can i say we have the best benefits and social housing treats immigrants as first class citizens and us as third class
Britain is STILL the biggest migrant magnet - YES WE KNOW!!!!
"If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico. - Wildman, Atlanta US, 17/2/2010 4:18" Goodness! I had heard that you had some slightly overweight people out there but a 2000 mile boarder??? How do you manage to keep him fed?
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell. - Matt, Refugee, 17/2/2010 7:32 I am afraid that the impression that many people have is that little by little the Eastern Europeans are indeed taking over the country. There are so many shops springing up everywhere in Central London catering for their specific requirements, many signs that are written in Eastern European languages only and my daughter and her friends are unable to find part time jobs as waitresses or in shops anymore to take pressure off their university tuition fees because these jobs are now all being undertaken by Eastern Europeans. Unfortunately many of the people who you refer to as wanting to 'blow us all to hell' are in fact British born - although their actions demonstate that they are anything but.
New Labours mantra should have been 'Immigration, Immigration, Immigration'!!! Brown & Co. better pray their immigrants stick to the plan and vote Labour because I never will again. The poor huddled masses of the world are not my social or financial responsibility!!!
i keep asking this queastion and im never given an answer,[what do we get out of immigration],,,one more thing dont forget the part the media are playing in this.mainly the bbc ,paid for by you ,i stopped paying the state media tax .you should all do the same.
Some of the posters here claim that all the immigrants should pay for health, education, housing etc from their own pockets and not from the tax payers` money. What you forget to mention is that vast majority of the Eastern European immigrants come to the UK, work and PAY THEIR TAXES. It`s funny how some people who proclaim the immigrants shouldn`t be here are the same people who might be immigrating to Spain, Australia, Canada, USA and where ever else they wish. Furthermore, those immigrating to a non English speaking country ususally cannot communicate in the country`s mother tongue (e.g. Spain) which is rather pathetic. Another issue is about the ignorance of some of the British people who do not realise that immigrants helped rebuild your country after WWII, that it was your empire that conquered so much of this planet using slaves and stealing all the resources in the conquered countries (like gold in Ghana for example). Stop being ignorant please.
Well,this is news.You would never have thought that allowing anyone to settle here with their families,would put a strain on our public services would you?All of them contributing taxes to pay for it too no doubt.What is amazing,is that in just 10 years NuLabour has managed to destroy our proud heritage,built up over hundreds of years of sound democracy and turned us from the envy of the world to a pathetic laughing stock.
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth. - oldun, London, 16/2/2010 18:05 No oldun - L Hacking would like to know why the immigrants are placed in towns and cities with the working class taking the brunt of the problem. I would like to see how the more opulent areas would feel if their communities were deluged with immigrants. Would they still be in favour of multiculture?
Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work. - Colin Runeckles So what if they came here to work? Those jobs belong to our own unemployed! Not ALL those on benefits are feckless! Many now find there IS no work for them! One local factory now has an estimated 70% foreign workforce while the unemployment queues lengthen, especially among the young, and the word is that there is growing bitterness out there. Our children are not advancing in school as they should, with the poor teachers struggling with multi-languages. How can they teach like this? Most often now, I have phone-consultations with my GP because the practice is so busy. This is wrong. Our own people's rights are being abused by Labour policy.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
Hopefully all you folks who are grumbling will remember to vote BNP at the next election
On the one hand the old Labour/New Labour hypocrites tell us to be 'greener', to use our cars less, to use less gas and electricity, to recycle more and produce less rubbish....then, on the other hand, they open the doors to thousands and thousands of immigrants...thus making our island even more crowded....leading to more houses, fewer green spaces, more cars, more consumer consumption, more gas and electricity and petrol usage, more rubbish etc etc....Labour's policies are, in general, so contradictory and stupid that only complete idiots would vote them back into power....(so that's why British education has been dumbed down so much under Labour/New Labour !!!)....
...or possibly an attempt by 'council chiefs' (who usually earn far in excess of what we pay the Prime Minister BTW) to deflect attention from their own inability to manage the money and run services properly...
The Government has lied and lied again about immigration. The Tories and LibDems remain silent in the face of these lies. How can anyone believe anything at all these people say, and that includes their constant dengration of the British National Party. It makes more sense to believe the opposite of what they say is the truth.
I support the EC and am fully in favour of European nations getting together and cooperating in all ways. The problem, and what REALLY annoys me is that if you go to Poland, France,Italy etc they just laugh at you if you try and get a free house,unemployment benefit,even a job!! It just aint going to work if there's no level playingfield.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
jenny jones, essex. TWADDLE!
I start work early each day, so my wife must take the children to school. This is the school that my wife attended as a child, attached to the church where her parents worshipped, she was christened, where we were married, where our children were christened and which we attend regularly. Our oldest child is in year 2 and his younger brother is in the school nursery, hoping to start at the school in September, but due to a large influx of Eastern Block immigrants, there is a good chance that he will not get into the school. If he does not get in, then our lifelong association with this school and church will be damaged and my wife will not be able to get both children to school on time, as they are both of ages where the parent must stay with them until school goes in.
cannot take something else strait a way) and claim benefit from jobcentre? Because I do not mind. He paid tax and I pay tax and I DO NOT MIND IF ANY OF THEM USE MONEY I PAID!!!!!!! It’s fine if pay money, yes?? Why we cannot use this money to send our children to schools? Why? If you do not want us here, then give us all our money(tax, PAYE etc we paid last years) and we can go to our homes. Then what? Who is going to cover big hole(black hole) in english budget ? Who? People from “different part of world” who come here just “produce” children and clime thousands benefit? Who tell me who??
Only I want to say to You all English if:if we immigrants have not pumped millions and millions, then you would have recession 4 years ago and it would be 10 times worse!! I have got a lot of friends and no one of them takes any benefits!! They pay tax, spent money on food, petrol and electronic device etc. giving job to you English people! Because you had to produce this goods sell them and delivery to us. Let’s go dipper, we give job to lowers, accountants etc. Now about me: I am civil engineer and I have small design office. I have employed 6 people(2 of them are English, because I need someone who speak fluent English – this is only the reason!). I pay £14,000 tax every single month this is not included what my employees pay! And I cannot use this money, because I work. Last 6 years I saw twice GP doctor and I was once stopped by police. How much did it cost? And question to you people! Do you mind if one immigrant from Eastern Europe lost a job (working last 2-3 years and can
I'am an immigrant looking after your disabled Mums and Dads in care home while you visit them once a year and while other British staff call sick after the night out in the pub.Working 12 hours shift for 6 pounds p.h Yes i do pay taxes.Anyone wants my job?
Labour have purposely flooded the UK with immigrants, we now know that they planned it that way, without consulting us. Migrants who come to this country to work with skills are a positive contribution. But we must be very selective here, like the points system that Australia uses. Britain is already a very crowded island compared to most other Western countries and thanks to 13 painful arduous years of Labour rule, sorry - ruin, it's getting worse. There is nothing wrong with barring would be migrants from entering Britain if they have no money to support themselves or skills that we need. It IS wrong to allow such people in, only to saddle the taxpayers with more debt. Try entering the USA (to live) with no job, skills or money. You won't see much of America apart from the airport before being laughed back onto the first plane out of there. Why are we afraid to be like that here?We as a nation MUST get real on this situation. David Cameron - be a grown up and deal with it please!
Labour is ruining my life. - Sarah, London, 16/2/2010 17:06 Labour areruining ALL of our lives!!
I heard that Labour were closing the borders and had put together a special task force to find all of the illegals and deport them, along with all of the dangerous extremists And then unfortunately I woke up.
It's quite obvious they aren't going home every time I go out shopping the person in front or behind is speaking a foreign language I feel like the foreigner
I think multiculturalism is a subject that needs to be tackled honestly and assertively to prevent civil unrest. On a personal note, my daughter did not get into any of the 3 primary schools I chose for her although I lived less than 5 minutes' walk away from the nearest one! Finally she was put into a school where 80% of her class (I do not exaggerate) did not have English as a first language. Most of the lessons were spent teaching the children basic English, my daughter could already speak fluent English from the age of two and her educational development started to go backwards! This despite the fact that my partner and I pay about £4k between us in taxes per month. Finally I got her into a school where 80% of the children did speak English, but this is over the other side of Bristol and puts a huge amount of time on our daily commute. My partner and I work hard, put a lot of effort into giving our daughter a good home life and have never existed on benefits. It seems unfair.
This is what comes with electing Stalinist clowns who are remote from reality.
You only have to walk down our town centre in the middle of the afternoon to see how many foreign workers have come to and stayed in our country.Just listen to the people speaking polish , Portugese , Lithuanian , Romanian , latvian etc. The local supermarkets have aisles of foreign brands and, cafes which are owned by foreigners have opened plus 2 specialist foreign food shops. Have the majority gone back ? i dont think so , and this is just in a smail rural town....
Like we didn't already know this - its like 'come to Britain and receive free everyting - housing, medical care, cars' - and again us as the British Born (not always proud to be British), taxpayer forking out. Why oh why have we such a bunch of spineless idiots running our country who couldn't see this before it happened I'll never know! This country is a joke and if it wasn't so difficult to emigrate to a country with a better standard of living/immigration control then yes I would be off to! Another reason for voting BNP me thinks - he'll be getting my vote!
The saddest thing of all is that if Woolas hears it - HE WILL TAKE NO NOTICE. He and his accomplices live in a world where they are protected from the effects and the costs of their policies whilst we suffer both. As long as he is politically correct he is content - and totally without interest in the plight of the populace.
Why are we letting in millions of immigrants when we cannot support them? It is unfair on them and unfair on the indigenous population.
Please don't call this phenomenon an immigration "Boom". It is not that at all. What it is, is an assault upon the people and the culture of this great country by an establishment made up of primarily Fabian conspirators.
"I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Well, "Anon", with the greatest of respect you will, as they say, just have to "put up and shut up" because it's no good looking to the Lib/Lab/Con/UKIP Alliance Party for any solutions. And if you cannot bear the thought of voting BNP then things will stay exactly the same. So either stay indoors and watch Corrie and Eastenders with a good pint in your hand, or emigrate.
I don`t get it why you people trying to put everyone to the same basket. I agree there is a problem with some immigrants, however most of us is paying taxes. Benefits? C`mon, you`re very lucky if you are a non-british citizen and receive one. Besides the lion`s share of us is working in jobs which don`t even want to be taken by English workers...
We are over crowded, definition that we would not be able to support ourselves in food as most of it is imported. I again will post the comment I made before. We have to look at what China has done. They support a family of one child only. We however, most probably could support the first 2 children in a family. If people want anymore babies then they have to finance them themselves including education and health needs. Due to the structure which Governments have designed to, the more children you have the more the Tax Payer has to find. Our family credit system actually is for the fat cats. A firm does not have to pay a livable wage because the Government will top it up if you have children. Therefore, Companies monies maintains the high earners, leaving the DIRECT labour force, who are the EARNERS in a firm having to claim benefits, if they can, instead of the companies having to distribute funds fairly. The absurdity of Governemet they tax a minimum wage
Its easy for people to say immigrants are using up Britain's resources blah blah blah but I am an immmigrant and I have worked in this country for years paying taxes and ni and i am not interested in claiming benefits. Do i want to claim benefits? No. Do i want a council flat? No. Do i want my children growing thinking its normal to not work for anything but feel like its owed to you? Hell No. I know thousands of immigrants who work double triple shifts and as a result you can imagine how much they contribute to the taxes in this country (which someone else is claiming in benefits). If there are deficits in spending or strain on schools etc, it is because of mismanagement of money and greed by mps and large amounts spent on the war in iraq.
Why are we calling it an Immigration Boom? Makes it sound like Britain is doing awfully well when it should actually be called Labour's Treasonous Social Objectives Agenda.
It's simple. In the early nineties Blair conceived and implemented a ''Floodgates Immigration Plan"' Ask Jack Straw. He was there. The spin liars were briefed to slap down anyone complaining about the plan - branding them racist. The true illegal immigrant population is at least 60% higher than any government figures. Blair succeeded. He's changed UK from its historic population and culture to the new polyglot, PC one. But, he got his sums wrong. The welfare payments in year 2028 will exceed govt revenues AND any covert govt borrowing. Therefore, expect Britain plc to be officially declared bankrupt in year 2029 I recommend either Qatar or Abu Dhabi.
The truth is that none of the main parties will do anything about it and, as a result, democracy is dead. When were the indigenous population asked if they wanted uncontrolled immigration? They weren't and one of the platforms that NL fought elections in 1997 was to enforce stricter control. This is one of the reasons that they were voted in with such a large majority, as the Tories had not got to grips with the problem. What a colossal lie this has turned out to be considering that the Government has let immigration rip to suit their own ends. How can the people regain the country from the criminal classes, otherwise known as politicians?
This rotten and treacherous zanuliebour government caused this immigration nightmare purely to get more votes from immigrants. This small country is overpopulated and now bankrupt. We must deport all illegals, reverse liebour immigration policy and withdraw from the EU dictatorship and restore democracy. Vote for UKIP or the BNP, they are the only parties that will address this issue. Bring down the corrupt lib/lab/con thieves and dictators.
The EU and the industrial elite want a mobile and flexible workforce, and a surplus of workers to keep negotiations for wages on the side of the employer. Britain as an island is idealy positioned to lead the way in sustainability. Aim for a sustainable population that we can feed and provide power and all the other necessary infrastructure for with as little essential imports as possible. But we know they don't want a country who doesn't rely on others, one which can break the ever tightening chain that binds and is stiffling our independence and freedoms, hence the advent of the EU and in the future further integration into larger unions until freedom is just a distant memory. Don't think for one moment Labour haven't thought through their immigration policy, they are commies, and international in nature, and Britain is just a small cog in their repressive and regulatory one world government agenda, and don't think the Tories or LibDems are any better. Vote sensibly.
i believe all parties should now discuss the immigation problem.It seems we have now had enough and although i accept there is nothing we can do with who is in the country now.We could stop all entry into Britain now,clean up our act and start over with strict rules on wanting to come to the UK
This problem is all the Governments fault introducing a policy which we had no say over about a multicultural society mix, as usual they donot bring any thought into how we are all going to pay for all these people entering our Country with schools and Nhs services stretched to the the limit and we are the ones who suffer, the likes of Cambridgeshire does not receive enough Government grants as it is and we have been stretched with the influx of immigrants into our County so we are the ones paying into the nhs system and paying our taxes and are receiving nothing in return. The influx needs to be stopped until the Country gets back on its feet and can properly sort out this mess!!!!!!
Are these the same town hall chiefs who have been insisting for years that immigration has 'enriched our lives'? Or did they go with massive golden handshakes before the truth was allowed to be told?
How can a country like ours plan cuts but still let more and more people in ,whomost likely not pay tax butget everything given to them . It has got to stop NOW . The first thing the next government should do is stoppaying any benefits toall the European immigrants including family tax credit , which gets sent to their own country .Also stop giving them free NHS legal aid and housing . Lots of them have got homes in their own country so basically we are letting them have second homes over here .Stuff what the EU masters say - the other Countries do and stop tax payers money being wasted on thosae who have 'nt paid a penny into our system . It's plain and simple for anyone who wants to move to our country - if you can afford to move into our country fair enough or have genuine skills - don't just think you can move over here and we'll give you everything . Try going to another Euro state or to another country and see what you would get there.
Everywhere I go to in this country people are complaining about the deteriation of everything from infrastructure, schools, hospitals, doctors services, including councils, I get told not to go into areas or places because of the conditions there, a programme on TV "the tower block of commons" gives an insight into what mass immigration and neglect has done and the effect it has on our younger generations, Woolas is either living in or talking about another country or he is another one of labours very acomplished lairs who actually believes the crap he spouts himself, we all know which one he is and know the gullibles will still turn out and vote for labour who if they do get in will definitely make sure this country goes beyond the point of no return.
why does enoch powell suddenly spring to mind?? i have no fear of saying there are far too many immigrants...the p.c brigade dont scare me
This is nothing new,we have known this situation exists for the last 10 years and we have all let it happen,there is no going back now.
The only way to fix this problem is to start repatriating the peoples that come to the UK to sponge off the state...we simply can not afford them. Remember they are guests and we have a right to end their stay if and when required. They can not expect a right of passage and get free handouts whilst at the same time putting the peoples of England, Ireland Scotland and Wales on the bottom of the housing, medial,schools lists.. What Nulabour has done must be seen as a criminal act against our country and should be reversed.
And most of them vote Labour. We need to remove a couple of million at least.
So the government tell us this is not so when we on the ground know damned well that it is so. What is more they - the government - probably have figures to prove it. Ever heard the phrase 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics'? This is the one area as far as I am concerned that the government truly do excel in. Can't believe a thing any of them say anymore especially now that David Taylor an honest politician has gone.
What do you expect after 62 years of uncontrolled immigration? What's worse is that the Tories were in power for 39 of those years and did NOTHING. And you're going to vote for them?
We have allowed this to happen. We have sat back and done nothing, scared to speak out in case someone from the PC brigage calls us racist. I am just as much to blame. We need to DO something before it is too late. Leave it much longer and the damage to this Country will be so great that it will never be the same again. It is not too late, there are still millions of Britons in this Country that still care. What can we do?
Brown must resign. Time we had an elected Government which protected the British culture.
I say shut the doors now. No more hand outs. Review all those that have come into this country and if they haven't got jobs and homes by now and are supporting themselves, then send them back to where they came from. For all of those wishing to come into this country in the future, they must have money to back them, a good education, receive no benefits/hand outs until they have worked for five years, that way they have put something into the pot, have a private medical insurance and can speak English. If they don't have any of the above THEN DON'T EXPECT TO BE LET IN
So, Enoch Powell was right all those years ago?
Look, can't we blame this on the 'odious' BNP, or UKIP, because it can't be the fault of any of the three 'major parties', can it?
immigration boom is stretching everything. We cannot accommodate all these people in the UK. Our lives are being reduce to third country status. We must reduce our population before we have more riots. Vote UKIP or BNP they are the only parties that will do anything.
Vote BNP they seem the only party prepared to sort this out!
Er, East Europeans aren`t the only mass immigrants.
The big joke is that the other parties have massively held back from ripping Labour to shreds over their social/vote engineering with immigration - because any immigrant would see that as an attack on them - and thus a vote loser. An effective, but deeply cynical strategy from Labour. I could never, ever vote for them again.
That's funny. I've been banging on about this for over 10 years.Does that make me smart? No. What does it say about our leaders though? This was an obvious outcome of an enlarged border free Europe (free movement of people and goods) and letting peoples from our ex colonies in with a free British passport and then not policing the rest of the immigrants from all over the world. The next obvious stage (to me) is when the infrastructure of the UK is totally overwhelmed, business and the economy totally depleted, and the identitiy of the population transformed - the UK will be a lot poorer and deeper in debt. Only when it is not a nice place to go will migrant workers and others cease to come ie when there is no money left to pay unemployment benefit or free NHS & when there are no jobs left. Let's face it - we're nearly there now!!!
This the madness of new Labour, if we were a large country like America with room to expand mass immigration would probably a good thing, but as we are a small island , now bankrupt thanks to new Labour heading in the same direction as Greece , Labours mass immigration policy certainly is a bad thing for every body.This is now country people want to emigrate from but thats not so easy , because the majority other countries have sensible immigration controls in place , probably because they care about their citizens and recognize the concept of nation state.
It's time. It's time for change. To the BNP for a real change.
Roosting chickens comes to mind. This Government has for 13 years been living in a sort of fairyland about immigration. In this fairyland immigrants flood into the country, they don't need houses, they don't consume anything or produce any waste, they never get sick, their children don't need schools, so consequently the government doesn't need to provide any money to local authorities. However In the real world local council tax payers have to pick up the bill and public services in some areas of the country are under severe and increasing pressure. The Nu Labour government has irrevocably changed the face of Britain and we never got a say in the matter. The immigration policy has just been one long catalogue of spin, deception and downright mendacity.
Teflon Tone, Two Jags, and Brown know full well what they are doing . At the election keep a close eye on those postal votes !!!!!
By standing by watching this happen and doing nothing, we are also guilty of a type of treason. So what to do? Could we not organise a united course of action...by everyone of like mind. THAT WE ALL WITHHOLD COUNCIL TAX Not to refuse to pay..but to withhold until the government submits, halts this destruction to our country and ejects all those who should not be here , who came by devious routes...and halts the grossly wrong handouts of tax payers' money to people people who have not, at least, contributed to the pot. This is really something we could do..if our hearts and minds were firm.
I hate the expression, "undeserving poor", though God knows there are enough who match that description. Being poor, and needing assistance, is not /a priori/ an indication of indolence. If you think that it is, or prefer that there should be no safety-net, go live in America. That said, it's pretty hard to deny that there are too many immigrants who are a net drain on the national economy. It is unsustainable, and it makes no sense to pursue such policy - not even if one believes that there is a cynical agendum of creating an oversupply of unskilled labour for the purposes of driving down labour costs. I never voted Tory in my life, but I would this year. As it is, the Tories likely stand little chance of winning Cambridge, so I'll vote LibDem to keep Labour out. Bring on a decent system of proportional representation.
The damage these idiots have caused will never be put right.I have to say that the UK and Europe for that matter is ruined.The poor masses are squeezed to the limit.As the saying goes"even a worm will turn" it won't be long before there is a revolt.
This is the fault of the Labour government for being Blind as to what will happen and DID happen. Shame on them.
We can do nothing about this whilst we are in the EU. The Politicians unlawfuly gave away our right to stop it.
Tell us something we didn't know..all theses think tanks such as civitas etc. why don't they just ask the ordinary indigenous man in the street and they can tell you what really happening, I find this article patronizing , immigration is always on the agenda in the run up to any election, and whoever gets in be it labour or cons they will always spout a load of old tosh about immigration and once in power will do nothing about ... Time for a radical change in the government of this country
and we've only just realised this????
What about all the tax money that's been paid in by immigrants who only came to work in the uk for a short period and went back without taking anything aut,and filled in all the unwanted jobs!
Apart from the fact that Immigration should have stopped decades ago, we are not selective enough in those admitted thus, the lowly educated persons admitted are usually accompanied by large numbers of offspring plus, their dependant relatives - all a drain on our welfare and social services which, in turn cannot assist our remaining minimal resources!
Makes me just want to rush back NOT but they won't want me as i work and pay taxes and wont vote Labour !!!!!! Or for that matter TORYand LIB Dem Can some one start a political party that will stand for what are Fathers and |Grandfather fought for !!!!! Labour have sown the seed for the ruin of the UK Im sure they have feathered their nests so thay can move abroad when they get kicked out !!! Big Changes are needed but i think its to late
Please tell me which political party has vowed to put an end to all but essential immigration and I will put my X alongside their name.
We are being systematically replaced with cheaper, foreign, alien peoples. The politicians and bankers do not believe in Britain or its people; they have sold all our industries: Jaguar, landrover, Corus steel, Cadbury's, Pilkington Glass. they sold our national water and electricity infrastructure to the French, the Germans . . . they sold our airports to the Spanish. They sold our cod, herring, mackerel, plaice- to the Danes, the Spanish, the Dutch and the Russians. Even worse, they stole our pensions and exported the cash via the banks to China and India - to set up car and steel plants to manufacture all these things - then sold them back to us here in the UK. 'Globalisation' is ASSET STRIPPING and selling to the highest hidder on a global level. They have sold our cars, our steel, our energy, our fish, our jobs, our hospitals, our schools, our houses. They are not going to stop until nothing is left. We had best fight now or soon it will be too late.
libour is not bothered they do not have to send their children to these schools all they whant is the votes vote them out the others are just as bad
Are we to understand that the economic miracle that mass immigration has brought us, according to this Labour government and anyone else convinced of the superiority of left wing thinking, has not been able to provide for the inevitable burden that was to beset our public services. Perhaps when the great and the good of the left wing heroes of social engineering are standing in queues, along with the newly trained queuers from around the world, with a bucket in hand to collect water for their CO2 freindly homes, they might want to reflect on their wonderous experiment with this country's society. Perhaps they might just come to agree with us morons who have been warning of the forthcoming collapse in, not just hospitals and schools, but water and power supplies. No doubt the government is still in denial about this and will come to the conclusion that it's just another evil BNP plot to take over the world.
I don't think anyone believes a word Phil Woolas says, he and his government have been lying about statistics and massaging figures for years. I only have to visit my local city to see how immigration has impacted on this country. It is no surprise that local services and the NHS are struggling, but that won't impact on our elitist ministers and quite frankly they don't care about the indigenous population anymore - they are purely the cash cow to pay for their policies.
This has got to stop now Close our borders and dont let anymore in This country is at breaking point The working class have had enough of topping up money for immigrants to have. We would all like a 2 million house, shop at Brand name shops. Enough is enough Elizabeth
Perhaps Tower Hamlets council could give the £1.85m to the health service or education authority rather than the planned 'hijab' arches in Brick Lane!
so much for New Liebore`s education policy about " education education education" With 54%n of the pupils not able to speak english in schools in some areas how does Ed Balls propose to educate them without it costing more to other parents in one to one tuition etc??? It is hard enough for children to grasp the 3 R`s without having to learn english as well. Someone somehwere will suffer for this and guess what it will be the tax paying hardworking families and New Liebore will suffer in the election results--they should be ashamed of what they are putting families through.
This is not an immigration boom it is a disaster and it is not over yet, migrants should not be allowed into the country unless they can prove that they are capable of supporting themselves before entry is allowed and they sign a declaration that they will not expect benefits or use of public services for free. If you migrate to Canada they will make you sing such a undertaking but i dont think that our dictatorship of Brown and his criminal cronies would like it as they prefer migrants to there own people.
when will the govt tell us something we dont already know??--this country is ''sinking'' due to LIEbour,,immigration has RUINED our country,,it doesnt take a genius to see--and there arent any in govt!!!--just thieves,liars and cowards!!!
All members of the Blair and Brown administrations are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
"Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" I'm not in favour of the BNP either, but there IS a very active political party that has the above points, almost exactly, as its election platform. I know I'll be voting for THEM in a few weeks.
It is time to call a complete halt on immigration for at least 5 years. Pity this Government has surrendered all control over immigration to the E C and has not control whatsoever on those com,imng from Europe. It is also time that no local authority should have to pay additional costs for education, etc., for foreign students who should be paid for entirely by central governmentso that the figures cannot be fudged. No costs for transalation of documents or for dealing with children with no English should be paid for by local authorities who should be forbidden to make any accomodation for foreign citizens. Petrhaps themn Labour would own up to its policy of changing the UK
This flood of immigration has long been the principal cause of most of the country's problems. A huge and fecund migrant population will: 1. Stretch our education, health and welfare system to breaking point 2. Place unbearable pressures on our housing policies so we see more and more of our countryside (and our food producing areas) swallowed up to house this generation of immigrants and there progeny. 3. Destabilise our cultural and historical base by creating ghettos of immigrants who have no desire or intention of integrating into Britain and its culture 4. Cause social tension and encourage violent crime 5. Cause massive job shortages and resentment as immigrants are seen to take more and more jobs 6. Place an intolerable burden on the wealth generating sectors of the UK as more and more immigrants take up government created public sector jobs, This is not a Rivers of Blood statement, it is one of simple arithmetic and common sense.
Anybody surprised? How you can open the doors to everyone without thinking about how the national health service etc., will cope, is beyond me. Sounds like a repeat of Blair and Bush when they jumped up and down in joy at having won the war with Iraq but had made no plans for the aftermath. Unknowingly we've been voting for brainless politicians. All MPs should be made to have an intelligence test and if they don't pass they should be sacked.
The British Identity is long gone. Ruined by this Labour bunch of thickos. It's too late I'm afraid.
The great labour legacy, social engineering lunacy. Change or Ruin.
We have to push the government not the folk already in this country. They're here because the borders were down,they don't deserve benefits,but neither bad treatment. By the way,the system has been already on its limits even before this huge mass rushed into Britain,thus worse than ever now. Politicians has shown to have a second plan behind those plans presented on the news. Im not anti government,im just pointing who's indirect cause of the problem. See countries like Austria?I guess immigrants just don't get there and settle in a £££ flat, and procreate,doesn't work like that.What's wrong in UK following some good examples out there?Too much pride?What's going on? Politicians doesn't read this comments, if they did, they'd know how to work for the people like they always say before being elected.
Dear British you were the only country in Europe to allow Polish straight away, without any restrictions.......they were usefull, they were cheap ..... Now you pay the price sorry,,,,,
You can't have it both ways. Why complain about immigrants contributing to the economic boom and filling skill shortages during good times and demanding they leave during a downturn. Who exactly is going to do the skilled jobs. I don't remember zero unemployment even in the false boom of the last decade. Look at this message board and the diverse countries contributors are now living in. I bet those countries don't have a problem accounting for who is in their country. Blame the government for shoddy accounting, not those who are willing to come here to work!
Here we have local councils of areas where these immigrants are still pouring having to fund services for them and stating that they cannot cope, and at the same time we have the fellow clown woolas following his lying boss and saying that all the eastern europeans have all gone back to their own countries, based on the form of the brown government I know who I believe.
Dear British you were the one in the first place , the only one in Europe with Ireland to open your doors wilde to the Polish. Sorry but you that is what you get, if you leave your borders open
My husband works in a once family business where all the workers came from the UK but now he is of a minority because most of the workers are from Poland. One of them went home and took all his money with him, but now he needs more money, so he contacted the boss of the company and asked for his old job back, and guess what he got it. What happened to British jobs for British workers?. Our son works in construction and cannot find a job because the companies employ the EU workers because they do it for less, he gets very angry because he is not allowed to work on site without a health and safety certificate but once again some of the EU workers don't have them and a lot can't even speak English. Yes some do go home but for every 1 person who goes home 2 more come here.
I'm sure Tony Bliar would like to donate some of his ill gained fortune's toward the mess he has created in England.
Er, BNP could have told you this and stopped it 10 years ago!!
And who do we thank for this situation, HEATH, BLAIR, BROWN. Welcome to the benefits of EU membership, and the gutless denial of a referendum.
Of course we know this and the govenment dont care....but we are a people can do something about but we dont. True to English style, the English just sit and moan at home and dont do anything about it.....get you acts together we have an election coming up....
This is the land of milk & honey? With almost 3 million unemployed!!! Yet still the poles & eastern europeans come!!! Enough is enough!!!
And I have said for some time that "Diversity" in schools is holding education back! The crazy Government is asking too much of their teachers there is no way they can be successful catering for all their different pupils no matter how simple it might first sound. The idiots we call " Government" had not thought it through...raced in blindly to appease ..........hoping now it will settle and sort itself out. Well it HASNT and there is worst on the horizon!
All grist to the BNP mill I think.
Speaking of Peterborough City centre where I did work recently, it seemed that every other couple or group that I passed in the street was speaking a foreign tongue.
I applaud the people on this sight that have finally woken up and realised that the lab/co/lib alliance will do nothing about immigration or immigrants currently living here, but to the people that come on this sight and moan on about immigration and its affects on our country I say this "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT ,KEEP VOTING FOR LAB/CON/LIB AND WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO COME ON HERE AND MOAN OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO REALISE AND VOTE B.N.P . Even if the B.N.P win a hand full of M.P's the political classes will be fighting like cat and dog to address immigration,because they will not want to loose their place on the gravy train ! " COME ON WAKE UP".
The only people who DON'T see the problems are the very people who opened the flood gates...........
We have two duties with anyone who wants to come here; 1 Lerrum settle 2 Meet all their needs We've got better at number 1 since 1997 but we still need to work on number 2. Celebrate diversity. Immigrants enrich the culture and add to the economy. They must do or else why would we allow them. Right? Right?
what lies from the Town Hall Chiefs our glorious leader GB has stated that immigration is not a problem but a realadvantage to the economy and an even bigger advantage to his personal esteem and of course to New Liebours election chances.
Now is the time to stop it and sort out the people who are not supossed to be here it looks to me as this country is the dust bin of the world there must be big adverts some where "come to the UK we will give you a house and benifts as soon as you arrive" its getting out of hand not time sonthing was done for the TRUE Brisitish people I worry about my grand children futer in this country what is there going to be for them when they grow up?
Who do you think is going to suffer if this is so? of course! the people who are less able to pay for private care and schooling etc! the article says" the cracks are beginning to appear" well no one is surprised at that!! the jolly chaps in Westminster are all certainly in private health schemes and the majority have never sat in a general hospital waiting room, or in a corridor, where if you are lucky the tea machine works! also where everyone speaks different languages and you can see the discontentment that exists between these patients! I personally do not care who treats me, and admire all hospital staff tremendously! but it is nice to see a friendly face when you are in this situation! I am a regular visitor to several hospitals,mainly for check ups, I can tell you that it is obvious now that the future of our health service is in the hands of people who do not know what I am talking about! and why should they? their bread is buttered and it's just an exercise on paper to them!
A friend went into a primary school where half the children were polish in her class and interpreters are having to be financed..it is criminal..but it is true the givernment do not care..we are 178 billion in debt..we know who not to vote for but cameron must do something to stop our country being taken .
I have been saying for years that our schools, NHS, police and housing have been inundated with problems from unregulated immigration both legal and illegal. What happens when they all get to pension age and they have never made any contributeds into the system? This government seems intent on destroying this country. We have seen the closures of PO, police stations, libraries all because money is needed to give to immigrantes. Border Force is a joke, they catch people who have obviously entered the country illegally and who are then told to report each week but who then disappear. Time to get tough seeing as we are now in dept to the tune of billions. Thanks labour.
for as long as we the tax payers pay out for immigrants to choose their own mansions to live in and as long as we pay out millions of pounds to them in unearned benefits and familly allowances ,free health care, clothing and everything else, these people will continue to come to this country. They should not be given any benefits until they have paid income tax for at least two years and without a sponser they should not be allowed into this country, no money to support themselves,and /or no visa they should be put on the next plane home, break the laws then deport them along with their families but as long as we have the libreal minded quangos and commitees and this goverment who are frightened incase they 'offend' ,things will contiue to be as they are.We are the only country in the western world to allow such things and until it is altered things will stay and continue as they are.
immigration is the problem.....BNP is the solution
The joke is most people knew this years ago. But we are bound and gagged into silence by the Labour gang. Not racist; just my honest opinion. Then the idiots wonder why people are turning to the BNP and like.
If you vote Li/Lab/"Con" servative/Kip you will be voting for your own extinction, which leaves you only one real choice to end this madness.
We are all wasting our breath, the government does not want to listen.
at least the poles do come here to work and pay tax in to the system as well as increase pressure on local services. the main problem is that there is no reliable record of who comes and goes or where they are.
We're the only country that let them all pile in. This country sucks, give it a few years and even they won't want to come here because it will be so c**p!!!
It's what the people voted for, three times in ten years
As I am aware of , you only can live in another EU country when you can support yourself. It means also, that for NHS services will be paid by them. Why, I ask me, is the NHS crackling?
If they can't speak English then let them go, do not treat them do not help them at schools do not help them fill out the benefits forms or any other form that gives them FREE services or money and THEN they will go home, this must be the only country in the world where we put our self out to help those that do not give a damn about us
stop handing out our money to benefit scroungers. ..... no workie....no money.........., no freebie...no likey ....!!! PROTECTIONISM. thats whats drawing me to the BNP. i'm not a rascist, i'm a protectionist.
just go for a walk around leicester town center any morning spoken english is now a minority language
Just about everyone with an IQ saw this coming. Some people declared that it was part of labour's plan and it really started to look like they were right. Now we hear that yes, it was their plan all along to open the gates, lie about the figures and call anybody who objected a racist. Now someone explain to me which part of that isn't treason. And why Blair and Brown aren't facing charges.
Doesn't this go to prove to this CRACK POT GOVERNMENT of our's that:- " YOU CAN NOT GET A PINT IN A GILL GLASS " there perhaps NOW THEY WILL SHUT THE DOOR TO ANY MORE IMMIGRANT'S COMING TO THIS OVER CROWDED COUNTRY OF OUR'S (And REPEAT OUR's ) Possibly they might LISTEN because with it affecting SCHOOL 's a place of learning the GOVERNMENT MIGHT and I repeat MIGHT themselves learn some sense, if that is at all possible. We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs, 16/2/2010 16:35 YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN MAC of Lancs!!!!!! THE TROUBLE IS THE GOVERNMENT DO NOT LISTEN AT ALL AT WHAT THEIR VOTING PUBLIC THINK,- - - THAT is why I hope, along with lot of the electorate (who would normally be Voting LIAR-BORE )- - - VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT AS THE BRAINS TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND AND MAKES THIS COUNTRY TO BE A COUMTRY TO BE PROUD OF.
Stupid E.U. joining Germany together sucked the money out of West Germany. Yet they have expanded East at a cost to all of Western Europe . Beware and be very afraid if they let a very large and backward country that is only a tiny bit even in Europe join then any problems now will fade away in a tide of "now " legal arrivals.
The ordinary man & woman has known this this for a long time, to say anything we have been branded racist. Schools have been flooded with pupils who cannot speak English, achievement levels set for school, making life for the teacher's impossible. This Alice in Wonderland thinking from our politicians has ruined this Country.
Surprised? Anyone with any common sense could see this coming. That is anyone but our useless, incompetent labour government and their sycophantic supporters.
But immigration Minister Peter Woolas insisted: “The number of Eastern Europeans arriving in the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.” Hmmmm…. Kind of makes you wonder why they’re coming here, then. eh..!! It can’t be for the climate.
Remember Enoch Powell
'Thousands of migrants are not being counted because of the flawed population methodology used by the Office of National Statistics.' But Immigration Minister Phil Woolas insisted: 'The number of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.' LIAR; LIAR; LIAR. MASS-ARRESTS of this bunch LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES CRIMINALS ,TRAITORS, is the only solution to what they've DONE to ENGLAND.
Well DAVE here is your manifesto for you, STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW, GET OUT THE EU NOW............save on paper 1 page and your the new PM, but of course you will not say what the people wan't,.......BNP for me, i have had enough.
Why are the Poles and E Europeans getting blamed here? They come here and work to do the jobs that the lazy dole queuers dont want to do. These people will clean offices, wait tables and work in kitchens - - - which is obviously below many British citizens on hand-outs. They also pay there taxes and are generally good people and it's about time they stop getting blamed for all of these. If there were no jobs in UK they wouldnt come . . . but lazy Brits at home on the dole are the reason they are here. Fix the cause and not the symptom
I'm sure some of our multicultural immigrants live upfront lives, work, pay taxes and contribute to society. Isn't it time you Brit people stop listening to fraudulent spin, and open your eyes long enough to realise that your government has shafted not only you but future generations? And some still have the audacity to combine Great and Britain in the same sentence.
Whats the point...no one is listening......eventually the island will sink under the weight....extra people and obese people and then we can start again.
Jail the Labour Loonies who made this possible
I'm voting BNP as they are the only party that support US, not the immigrants. Enoch Powell predicted this many years ago. Should have listened to him. Close the borders and remove the immigrants and their huge families that are not entitled to be here.
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell.
The solution is easy. 1.Tighten our immigration regulations. 2. ENFORCE THEM!
Don't worry. The Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, said he's not lying awake at night worrying about the UK population heading towards the 70.000,000 mark. So we have about eight or nine million to go. Bring 'em on. Gormless Gordon and his government treat the British public with utter contempt. Labour has failed miserably. Not only on immigration but also the economy, pensions, education, the NHS, the justice system and the police....to name but a few.
Close the borders now. Ask everyone who does not have paperwrok, politely, to leave. Those that don't leave will be found and escorted nicely to the borders, where they will have to work their way back after 5 years and attaining a degree in a proffession too few people have-skilled workers are always useful. COuncil tenants and socail security spongers should get college and job training places, in all kinds of careers, there are so many opportunites to start new proffessions and so many areas that need work- gardens in public places, children that need childminders for working mothers, construction jobs, subsidized by training schemes- work in training etc., Beautification schemes, keep fit schemes. Nobody needs to sponge off the state, nobdy REALLY wants to do nothing, and there are too many immigrants using the stretched resources. Time to get Britain back with it's people.
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester, 17/2/2010 3:17 Actually no we wouldn't I have a country house in the UK and we don't want any riff raff ruining the locality including English riff raff.
and what is Mr Cameron going to do about this appalling influx of people to our small island? Yet again he will pander to soundbites and actually do nothing. He's begining to look like a loser with no guts, no balls and no policies. When will he understand why he's only marginally ahead of the even worse liebour party? Who will save our country?
Liblabcons will never have the courage to change the immigration policies to any significant extent. Now will they have the courage to address issues such as crime, EU membership costs or needless wars. If we want to see any real change in our society we need to vote BNP.
Other cities have the same problems.
Stop loading the ammo in the BNP gun you fools. So in your world its fine if you want to move to Spain or Portugal but if your an eastern European with good skills its too bad your not allowed here. I hate to say this but we are in Europe and these people are allowed to come here and work as we are to go there and do likewise.
We all pay the same taxes and bills as you english do!!! so dont treat as like something worst than we are.
Well now, there´s a surprise: government ministers saying one thing, and the people on the ground, who know, saying something quite different. It was a blinding glimpse of the obvious that this would happen but NuLabour, hell-bent on social engineering at any cost, chose to disregard it. No the chickens - and the bills - are coming home to roost. Pay attention Mr Cameron.
People seem to think that Liebour have been in control of immigration, the sad fact is they havent and have never had a will or a way to impose any controls without contradicting their racist agendas! Liebour have lurched from one crisis to the next with little clue as to what to do other than knee jerks spin's! The sorriest bunch of "dumbed down" politicians in the history of this country have allowed this to happen, soon we will be rid of them for good I hope!
"Town hall chiefs yesterday condemned the Government's immigration figures, saying high and uncounted numbers of new residents are putting too much strain on services. A string of local authorities said few of the 1.5million Poles and other Eastern Europeans who came after 2004 had gone home." And, how long have many of us been saying this on this and other threads for the last 4 or 5 years?
Well stop moaning and just take to the streets to protest like other countries would . We are too laid back in this country we moan but do not do anything about it. I bet none of yoy lot have joined the BNP or even looked on their website.
They claim child benefits while they're working here - which are sent back 'home'. Then, when the work dries up and they go home, they STILL get the benefits. And they're talking about stopping winter fuel payment to paid-up, ex-pat pensioners who managed to escape?
The government don't care about anything, not even employment. We have been in a recession for ages now and the government has done absolutely nothing about it. All these high executives are getting bonuses and the banks are getting bonuses and the government is just letting it all happen. The government does not care about this country anymore.
I feel constrained to follow the example of the British Sikh who recently jointed the BNP. Like him I simply do not see any alternative .....I do not trust any of the main 3 parties on this (or other) issues, and I am sick of seeing this proud nation being devalued and my grandchildrens birthright being compromised on the alter of the multi-cultural lie. Woolas is a left wing fool who appears more than happy to let a multitude of benefit hungry dross into this country, and yet had the nerve to try and prevent a small number of honourable people like the Ghurkas from entering, despite the fact they had risked their lives in service to the nation. As such this silly little man has NO credibility whatsoever and, particularly following the LGA advices, anything he says cannot be believed. But he is still there ............
Well, I think people know who do vote for to put a stop to the invasion by now don't they. They need to be quick before English becomes a language spoken only by the native minority in places like London, Birmingham and Leicester.
May I just thank all of you who voted Labour these past three elections. Take a bow,pat yourselves on the back and savour the part you have played in bringing Great Britain to it's knees. You have been party to uncontrolled immigration that can never,ever be reversed. I have watched in despair since 1997,knowing from the last strains of things can only get better,than we would end up here,where we now are. Labour always bankrupt,maybe that's why they have abolished history,just in case anyone learns from it.
will the last english person to leave please close the door and switch off the lights and leave quitely thank you
Will someone please vote for a party that sorts out this mess once and for all. Cameron and the conservatives only want to put a cap on those entering from outside the EU.....It is those from Eastern Europe INSIDE the EU that are now swamping the UK!! and they are NOT going home! Why would they when our government gives them more than they could even dream of back in their homelands, at the expense of the British people!! The BNP have now proven themselves to be open to ethnic membership, proving they only have the UK's interests in mind. Even if we put them in for one term, 4 years, they will sort out the immigration catastrophe once and for all. Ultimately it is the knock on effect of immigration that is destroying this country from jobs and schools to health and local services. We must act now to save us all from more of this madness.
Gordon, Wos about us mate ? My proposal: Bring back the crime of treason
I object to having to go through 'EU citizens' passport control.
Do you not realise the most basic fact? Britain is now paying the price for riding roughshod over much of the world, colonising it, calling it their own, imposing their rules and languages on third world nations, taking their pick of the local populations to take home as slaves? You lot would have been the first to support the British Empire in its day, and would happily have made the most of the opportunities for Brits in the Raj, and colonial Africa & Asia. Do you really think the government choose to have things the way they are regarding immigration? Of course not, but their hands are tied. The European Union and the legacy of colonialism have made Britain what it is today.
i work for morrisons at a huge new distribution site and on my nightshift i do i as an englishman are a minority on this shift.it is 80% eastern european and 20% british i am truly disgusted at this.our country is in a complete shambles. the eastern europeans spend hardly any money in this country only the bear essentials and the rest of their money goes into eastern european bank accounts so how does that help our economy? 2.5 million unemployed in this country and how many would it be if we sent them all packing? not very many.i feel like a stranger in my own country now and it is certainly not great britain anymore..time to listen to your people mr brown and do something about it!!!
The Poles in particular are flooding and have flooded in. Many of them go straight onto benefits. If we don't put the BNP in government for just 4 yearsto sort out the immigation issue once and for all, this country will sink further down the toilet than it already has.
The BNP have nothing but concern for Britain and its values. They have opened their doors to ethnic membership and want only what is best for Britain. Cameron and the conservatives will continue with immigration...do not be fooled. Cameron wants to put a limit on immigration from outside the EU only. It is those from inside the EU that are now swamping the UK! For 'swamping' read Eastern Europe! The BNP are the only party who bring immigration levels down to something that is sensible.
If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico.
I worked in Poland as an expat some years ago. I paid my taxes and had private medical insurance. When I lost my job and tried to claim unemployment benefit - they laughed at me and told me to go home!!! When I politely inquired about what sort of pension I could expect when I reach retirement age - they nearly fell off their chairs!
It's taken how long for some bright spark to realise this? Just ask the people living amongst all these immigrants and they would have been able to tell you this years ago. I wonder how much this has cost the taxpayer to come to this conclusion?
Britons own form of ethnic cleansing thanks to the liebour party.
I would never have guessed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to England in the Dark Ages,plague,pestilence,over crowding,poverty.Marvellous what Gormless has achieved.His goal is to make every one subservient to him.Soon he'll be calling himself King
And here is a simple plan to solve it. 1) No benefits unless you have paid in for at least 5 years. 2) No translators, if you cannot speak English then learn at your expense not ours. 3) All state schools to adopt a policy of English only, no other language is acceptable. 4) All immigrants are last in the queue for housing. 5) All asylum seekers to be housed in one block with basic accommodation, they represent themselves no free legal help, asylum not granted then deportation within 24 hours. 6) No work permits issued unless you have a job to go to. 7) Only those with skills that are needed will get a visa all others will need to deposit 25k pounds in a British bank before being given a visa. The above will reduce immigration to a trickle overnight.
Hardworking taxpayers of the UK, I have a suggestion for getting some of our money back from these creeps who refer to themselves as politcians, sirs lords, right honourable members etc. Whenever any such person puts their property on the market, for instance the Blairs with their apartments in Bristol, "SHOW NO INTEREST", if you feel strongly that you want to buy, offer a quarter of the asking price and no more, the property is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, if there is no one interested then we can render their property portfolios "worthless". It was reported that G Hoon has a property portfolio of over a £1million again lets render this portfolio "worthless". When they retire from office on their platinum pensions all trades people, plumbers, electricians etc charge them 50 times the going rate for the job, lets give them some of their own medicine, and hit them where it will really hurt their pockets. They have allowed this crazy immigration policy.
The government might learn a lesson if everyone went on strike and refused to work to get benefits. Who would pay to support us then? The MP's? Doubt it. Unfortunately I think the main reason immigrants are treated like royalty over us is because they will ensure votes to the parties who give them privilages. What a way to run a country. We really need to rise up and chuck them out of government and rule this country the way we want, and as it should be. But of course we'll all just sit here and complain about it online instead. We need radical reform!
Someone should ask Phil Woolas how many students are being allowed in with accompanying families. Many large families are arriving particularly from SE Asia. Then they are allowed to stay legitimately for three years after finishing their studies. Apart from pressure on our public services, they are taking much needed places at universities from our own youngsters, and then providing competition in an already hard pressed jobs market. Our taxes are funding all this but no one asks if we regard the policy as fair and equal for our own citizens. I thought equality and fairness were top of the wish list for this hapless government.
Well STOP letting them in then. Duhhh
Immigration should be stopped for 10 years at least. All of this is Labour's doing. A saboteur could not have done a better job.
I was in the UK in 2007 and I would like to know what is the national language of the UK? It certainly is not English. I am sure that in due course the national language of "europe" will be either frenck or german. Stop immigration now and collect information on everyone as in the doomsday book. I am sure that it would highlight the differences between what the government are telling you and what reality is. Yet another reason to opt out of the EU. Good Luck.
Do a Brown, increase the council tax another thousand a year. You voted his party in, now pay. Stop complaining, hopefully you have learned your lesson, never vote Labour again.
The answer is simple. In England you speak English. Schools must not pander to foreign students and their languages in the same way that schools in Latvia do not prioritise English. Oh, but perhaps they do, in the knowledge that every pupil will want to migrate here. Britain has brought this immigration problem on itself. It is time to show them the door. We are full up. We have enough difficulties looking after our own elderly. We are not the conscience of the world and it is time that this multicultural experiment was concluded as a failure.
Politicians of the three major parties in this country have no aspirations to serve the people - they are all in the pockets of big business and sculpting their own brand of multicultural utopian illusion. Mass immigration has always been about serving the interests of the very wealthy (low wages, side-stepping employment regulations etc. ... and social engineering) Ordinary people are then left with the consequences - public services that can't cope, an even more massive pension shortfall in future, a demographic time-bomb, disintigration of social fabric, cultural segregation, islamification, erosion of free-speech etc. etc. What a pitiful mess this once pleasant country is now in.
Morons!
Why were we never asked if we wanted mass immigration or the mythical 'Multicultural' society, we did not want any of it, more so now we know we were cheated. How could our elected representatives let our resources get in the dreadful state they are in when they have engineered it all along, if that is not a total abuse of trust I do not know what is.
I've been saying, for probably thirty years that we don't need immigrants we need to decrease our population because the country is overfull. As for schools beginning to find it difficult to cope, thirty five years ago friends of mine had to get private tutoring for their son because he was getting so far behind with his education due to the time spent by the teachers trying to get through to foreign pupils who didn't speak English. When politicians tell us that we need the immigrants to keep our industries, (such as they are), going they are talking balderdash, how the hell do they think we managed during the war. Bearing in mind that large numbers of people were in the armed forces. I'll give you a hint about how we managed, we didn't have two million social security claimants for a start. So to sort out the problem today we need to export somewhere between five and ten million people, if we start cutting down social security benefits some of our visitors will leave of their own acc
Blair lied about the numbers of Immigrants for years, other political party's allowed him to get away with it, followed by Brown.They are all the same, Immigration does not affect them. We need to do as the French do and get out on the streets,until we do they are not going to listen.
Tell us something we don`t know.
Now, what will this pathetic excuse for a Government do about this then?
Not called NewLiebour for nothing. Trying to keep us at bay with lies while they do their best to destroy this country before the election. Get 'em out! Vote in UKIP before this country goes down the toilet!
Don't think for one minute that voting Conservative will change anything here folks. We need to get very tough in this country and voting for next best like a whimp won't do it!
Why do they keep blaming the eastern europeans? The mass influx including extended families has been from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India - more than 3 million of them. Perhaps this stupid government and incompetent Minister Woolas believe we will not state this obvious fact for fear of being called a racist by their political media friends?
Your kidding.. You mean no one saw it coming !! My sons school has more polish than English children t
The more I read, the more I see the BNP on the path to winning the next election. Labour is an absolute farce, the Tories are not much better, and the BNP seem to be the answers to our prayers immigration wise. Mark my words, the BNP will do better than anyone expects at the next election.
Will this Government ever learn,the public have had enough of the soft touch, and easy to use Benefit system to people who have paid no taxes yet able to claim money from the bottomless benefit pit.,also use our services for free.
I think you can all thank labour for this.
I think that when the BNP get into power, as they surely will in about 15 years, all the Labour politicians and some Torysshould be asked to leave. Afghanistan would be a good place to send them and their families.
I'm surprised Barnet Council is keeping quite about this huge problem. For the past few years, we've had East Europeans and the middle East flooding in Barnet. The regeneration scheme that was supposed to be halfway now is in chaos. Tower blocks that were supposed to have demolished 4 - 5 yrs are still occupied. People who were supposed to have moved to the new houses are not moving cause they are housing these people first. The blocks that are supposed to be empty are occupied by these people cause they are on the waiting list. Barnet took a lot of people from Brent and other councils cause they didn't have enough houses to house them. We have lived our whole life in this area and have been eagerly waiting to no avail. Labour knows that the only people who will vote for them are these people they are supplying with everything. Guess where my vote is going
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
There was an article in the Mail the other day about kids being taken out of school to go on holiday as travel agents bump up the price of vacations during school holidays. I've never taken my children out of school for a holiday, but I shall have no qualms about doing it now. The reason? Because both my son and my daughter have reported to me on numerous occasions that they were left to chat to friends in lessons because their teachers were busy with the non-English speaking children. If my children go to school with the intention of learning, but are being neglected because of the immigrants taking up the teachers' time, then I cannot be expected to feel guilty about taking them out of school. If children want to start at their school then they should at least have a grasp of English first. We're looking to move away now just so my children can go to a school where they will be taught, not come second to immigrants. IT HAS GOT TO STOP!
Please do not worry. One day soon the first day of the Marxist paradise will dawn and all will be happy as we will be so brainwashed that no-one will care any more.Every family of thirty members or more will have their room with its own roof to inhabit. There will be no more foreigners to worry about as the entire indigenous population will have voluntarily self-euthanased with the help of kindly government figures and all our representitive leaders will be Scottish and cry a lot on giant screens on the walls of the People's Palaces previously known as churches. Seriously I DO NOT care any more ; I am buying a one way ticket to the Gobi Desert and am going to stay there!
Immigrants wil be setting up their own schools and hospitals soon with grants from the government no doubt. Surely schools and hospital services have to be earned before anyone is able to use them. We're all daft as brushes and the bureaucrats as daft as hoovers
Well if we stop immigration and send loads home that will ease the congestion,but failing that we should stop all financial hand outs and just put them on long waiting lists like ordinary brits have to be on,then it won't seam like an attractive decision to come here and scrounge will it?
They don't care we're full up they just need to import more voters cos we Brits HATE LIEBOUR
Meanwhile the NHS faces severe cuts, so how will that help hospitals cope. This governement has no idea, and is completely useless.
Sorry, couldn't care a damn anymore. Nobody listens so I got out.
The picture covering this story identifies the exact reason for this problem! Those EU Stars, in the shape of the Crown Of The Madonna, is the root cause. What the hell are we as a country doing associating ourselves with a Marxist organisation headed by a convicted criminal (yes Barroso was convicted for stealing!). Perhaps our revered Monarch might wish to finally explain why She has signed all of those treaties which have subjugated us to the EU foreign power. Thousands and thousands of us have petitioned Her for an answer and yet She stays silent. Why!!!! We have the Right to petition our Monarch and the Monarch has a duty and MUST respond to the petition. If She doesn't want a full scale revolution (July 14th would be as nothing in comparison) on Her hands she would do well to start giving a few answers. And NOT with a Minister sat next to Her as the 1911 Government Act treasonously decrees.
My dear Gran used to say "charity should begin at home". Certainly cap benefits to newly arrived migrants - other countries do it. It's common sense. Or is this an insidious attempt to run our welfare state so far into the ground that the politicians can say, "look it doesn't work. let's get rid of it", as opposed to "we want to get rid of the welfare state." which would be a no vote grabber. Devious stuff.
Don't just blame Gordon & Tony - this is a deliberate EU policy to destroy and sense of national or regional identity. The Germans did it in Poland in the 40's, the Russians all over the place under Stalin. We are a part of a social experiment, people. However much you're prepared to put up with there'll always be 'just that little bit more'. When you're really fed up and are prepared to swap words for deeds it'll stop. Not before.
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs The media also knew, but they ignored it.
It's going to take a revolution to sort this out, and it won't be long coming!!!
All these complaints coming from Tory controlled areas....There would not be an election in the wind now would there?.....Propaganda !
The Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are controlled by the EU, who are, in turn, controlled by the Bilderbergers. That is precisely why it matters very little whether you vote for Clegg, Brown, Cameron or Pearson because they are all in favour of the Elite's New World Order . If on the other hand you still have faith in the UK as an independent nation, that we should control our own destiny, that you value what our forefathers died for, that you inherently trust our own legal system, that you value our Constitutional Rights that Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights bestow, that you wish to have no truck with Marxism, that you think we should manufacture and give employment to our own people rather than the global economy, that you hate the cancer of PC, then you are in good company with those of us in the British National Party. If you only ever vote once for BNP in the interests of unity and the sacrifices of our forefathers then do it shortly! There is NO OTHER OPTION
Controlling of immigration will begin once Labour feel they have enough voters
I am completely bewildered by what is going on in this country. Why would anybody in their right mind open the floodgates to millions of foreigners, flood out the education system and risk the lives of the indigenous population who have paid taxes all of their lives only to find the hospitals are swamped with immigrants when they need help from their own health system. The loony left disguised itself as a moderate centre party and then carried out every horrendous left wing Marxist policy imaginable. The British public have been led by the nose and still they do nothing.
It was somewhat obvious (well, obvious to everyone except our Labour government) that it was totally inevitable that this would be the result of uncontrolled immigration.
Shakespeare writing about this government. " Oh what a tangled web we weave when first, ( second, third ad infinitum )we practice to deceive."
Alright kids? The reason why you can't get a job & will never get a decent place to live is because the government works for the EUSSR & you as a British national are last in the que! In fact they actually want you to fail!
The problem is not immigration but the native people WHO SHOULD LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY.
Vote BNP, not to get those nutcases in power (don't worry they are not terribly glamorous) but just enough elected representatives to keep the other nutcases on their toes.
This government has ruin our once great Britain. The quicker we get you out the better, no wonder people are turning towards the UKIP and BNP what else is there to do?
There is ONE language - it's called English, so no translators are needed can't speak it ? let them learn at their own expense and if you can't speak English you must be a danger in the work place as we have already seen in the medical profession. if that makes me racist - tough. The abuse to our hospitality in this country is a disgrace. Sort it out - Gordon couldn't sort the sock drawer !
Can I have my own country back please? I'm a self-employed tradesman with my own premises and have just parted with a large wad of money to the Inland Revenue and my local authority which has left me with very little room to manouevre financially. I have had to cut my drawings by 30% to keep my company running and my standard of living has fallen significantly in the last 18 months. What particularly irks me is how my (and your)contributions are wasted so blatantly-( how about a few pot-holes mended ?-not on your nelly.) It would appear that some people are invited into this country and avail themselves of vital public services and accommodation with many of them are experiencing an improvement in their standard of living at the expense of the working taxpayer.I'm getting on in years and I'm tired of seeing our government destroy utterly what was once our Great Britain. Our ancestors would weep.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Britain's wonderful multicultural welfare state is a total failure and native Britons are continually getting screwed. But what will Britons do about it? Probably nothing. You're ultra PC and utterly complacent and it's destroying you all.
Derr! And it's taken them this long to speak out? Why? Or is it that, like in Wakefield, the council can't afford to go on building the grandiose schemes they had, so now they've noticed the extra people? As if building new shopping centres was ever going to be economically viable, given that even before the recession 1 in 8 units were unoccupied ( thanks to greedy landlords), now in Wakefield it looks like at least 1 in 4 ( that doesn't include the ones on temporary lease to pound shops and charity shops). But no, Wakefield Council is still going ahead with building a new retail centre, even though it's been put on hold for over a year, and even though shops are shutting down left, right and centre in Wakefield city centre.... And who'll be employed there? Not me, I've been looking for a reasonably flexible retail job for 2 years, but obviously they can get kids and immigrants to work for less than they'll pay me. Sour grapes? No, economic reality.
MARTIN, CLITHEROE, 16/2/2010 Caroline, Aberdeen, 16/2/2010 Readers & writers to this Daily Mail column can now rise up & say - WE TOLD YOU SO, YEARS AGO & WE WERE IGNORED. The voting public can see that the face of Britain is changing. LEGAL immigrants who have properly applied, have certified jobs to go to, have passed medical, police checks & have sufficient funds to house theselves will be needed, if only to replace those of us who have sold up & left UK for good. These were the reqirements for us to emigrate with our 4 children, all of us born & bred in UK for generations.The points system had ONE other requirement, we ALL had to speak ENGLISH. (French would be acceptablre if we had wanted to go to Quebec) My boys attended 3 different schools according to age group, ALL teachers & pupils spoke English. French could be studied voluntarily if needed. fedupcheshire, cheshire - AGREE!
Well, you only have yourselves to blame. Until you invest in a backbone and vote for the BNP, nothing will change.
The problem is that if we say anything against immigration and the immigrants then we are called RACIST..........We need to get our country back.............for Gods sake we are an island..........it should be very easy to seal our borders and just let in those WE want and need............not all the wasters that do arrive here........i think that the BNP will do very well at the next election if they play their cards right....we really have got to breaking point
phil woolas is a no good lying left wing scumbag .
" Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing? " Half the trouble is though, that immigrants aren't queueing for anything. Quite the opposite in fact - the fatted calf is killed and the red carpet, which goes all the way to the front of the queue, is rolled out. Meanwhile, there are people here living in abject poverty, or are unable to get housing ( both even ) and yet no help wings it's way to them, in the same fashion. It is unfair and will end in tears.
I wish more people realised that nothing will change under Labour or Consevratives. The BNP has warned about this for years, they deserve the backing of the British public.
if labour say the eastern europeans have gone then they come to hereford because theres nearly ten thousand there theyve even got theyre own shops now and monopolise all the manual jobs in the area it realy is shocking how the government as allowed this island to be swamped to suffocation like it as
What a shame. The government wanted to attract lots of people from other countries to make Britain's economy stronger, but what happend? Lots of them live on benefits and try to get everything for free.... Also, only few per cents of eastern Europeans are well educated and speak in fluent English in this country and only they should stay if they want, because others should pack their baggage and leave this country...
This is exactly what we are saying in Wales. Deffro'r Ddraig - Awaken the Dragon - Right to be Welsh. Google that and you will see that thousands have signed a petition to the Welsh Assembly Government to draw attention to colonisation gpoing on WITHIN the British Isles.
NU LABOUR........TRAITORS.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. They have been let in to keep wages low.
Ofsted have said that my daughter's C of E Primary School in Peterborough only has 25% white British pupils in it !!!
Its not just immigrants stretching town hall budgets, it's the 20% of your Council Tax that goes towards the Local Government, Pension Scheme (Super Annuation) which is unsustainable. It's the Chief Exec's of councils that earn more than the Prime Minister. Their pay is decided by Councillors at any particular Council, so the Chief Exec in return will award Councillors with a little favour in return. Firstly get rid of the dead wood in town halls, then have ago at immigrants draining the system. So much waste!
NEWSFLASH : Bears DO S***in the woods! £1 Trillion spent on handouts to whoever chooses to shack up home here. A debt that will never be repaid.Not in my lifetime.
Well it appears after all these years that Enoch Powell was rightÂ…. and no one believed him. They called him a racist and a bigotÂ… I wonder if those peoples views have now changed?
So whats the problem - employ more workers, more workers means more taxs, more taxs pays for more services. Its bad planning that causes services to not meet demans - nothing else.
I think Britain's immigration boom is stretching EVERYTHING to capacity, and that includes my patience and tolerance levels. Shut the doors.
Not going to vote BNP. But UKIP will stop all immigration for five years, get us back our own government, and stop the EU forcing us to take Eastern European immigrants.
We've been yelling and screaming this for years now, and no one ever listened! Importing vast numbers of extra, unbudgeted-for people MUST put systems under strain. This is only logical. How come Mr and Mrs Average Joe on the street can predict these economic crisies, and yet those we elect cant see them coming even though they profess to be experts? Why ARE we electing these people? Why do they even WANT to be elected? Possibly for the perks, the expenses they can claim, the fact that they can do one term and retire forever on a permanent pension. They think we are all so stupid. They rely on our vote but then think they are omnipotent, and they want their own way regardless of how they ruin our lives. The TRUTH WILL COME OUT. I hope in time for these faithless politicians who have let us all down to be punished for their incompetence at the very least, their wilful destruction of the British way of life preferably!
A shower of incompetents.
the best solution is ruthless remaining manufacturing and agrocultural sector outsourcing to eastern europe. Jobs for those who want to work!!
I am from Lithuania, living and working for 6 years in UK. Speaking advanced English, Russian so I don't need translators. I do pay council tax as well as rent, incurance, paye tax, bills . Don't have my GP , my dentist treatment is private . I do respect people opinion about foreign nationals, but we are not all the same. Don't judge a book by it's cover...
Not only are Slough schools suffering because of the influx of immigrants but so are schools in neighbouring towns as the overflow applies for places in them. Local families struggle to find school places for their children.
it is racialist to talk about imigrants,no one will listen any way,every one knows what is happening but they pretend every thing is normal,and if we ignor it then it will go away the fact of the matter is we are spineless, sinbad
we were all betrayed over europe ....no referendum...........betrayed with immigration..........betrayed with law and order lies.....betrayed with bin spies............betrayed by the bankers and betrayed by the theiving polititions.......plus let down on education and alcohol abuse.......and drug abuse.............did.... they do anything right......they put us right down the pan..........the worst load of rubbish weve ever had in parliament.............please just go.........roll on the election......the recession will be back......it wont be a double dip either it will be a quadruple dip........anything is better than putting up with this load of lying scoundrels
Never! I find that just so hard to believe! Not to worry, won't be many native Brits to clutter things up soon!
You packing that bag yet, Gordon??? You and Bliar really stuffed up on all fronts.
Lets put an end to it, import 1 million Chinese who will be happy to work for £10 a day and we can all retire.
hmmmm. More soft Fascism from the good British public. Anyone who claims the BNP are not racist have clearly not bothered doing any research at all, or are pathetically in denial. There is a You Tube clip in which Mark Collett, the party's head of publicity, tells Russell Brand that we would rather his daughter stay celibate for life than date a black man. Elsewhere he refers to black woman as 'ugly' and basically likens immigrants to excrement. He is also on record as inferring that the Jews deserved the holocaust. This coupled with Nick Griffins holocaust denial and members of their ranks being ex- convicts really doesn't make a pretty picture. Also this documentary shows Collett's arguments getting trounced by a heroin addled comedian. Do people really want a thicko Nazi party running the UK? Wake up.
When will the words FULL UP be applied to this country?When will pepole realise we need to STOP all immigration and expel some of those here under false pretences, or the scroungers who travel thousands of miles to come to SOFT TOUCH BRITAIN. This is why I support the British National Party and after last Sunday many Black and Ethnics will too as they are being made to feel second class as well.
The English are amongst the most land-poor people on Earth, so it's strange that liberal-lefties and the like want to make us and our children poorer; rather like taking food from the Ethiopians. A couple of insidious common fallacies used to hoodwink people on migration are, a) 'they are needed to do the jobs other people don't want' ; people only don't want these jobs because they are badly paid ( offer me £100k to be a cleaner and I'll run for a mop ). Bringing in more people just drives down the wages of the poor, and b) 'they are needed for the pensions crisis' ; you cannot compensate sustainably for people living longer by creating a bulge in the young working population, it just gets worse once these people become pensioners themselves.
And then they wonder why more people are supporting the BNP they are the only party that will ban immigration
Remember folks, this was a calculated and determined effort by Labour to "make the UK more multi cultural" They're own people have said as much. Unfortunately the politicians and the wealthy don't have to compete with them for social housing, doctors, dentists, the NHS etc. They're children go to private schools, our kids go to schools where sometimes half the kids in the class can't speak English, therefore making OUR childrens educatons suffer, as if the teaching standards were'nt bad enough already! Labour have ruined this country, possibly irreversibly. The only people that will vote for them this time will be the immigrants they have invited to our shores and the work shy and the scroungers. Mind you, there are millions of them!
"'They may not be arriving as quickly, but the anecdotal evidence is that more people are still coming, and staying." Anecdotal? That sounds really accurate!
LibLabCons chickens are coming home to roost,they only endorse failed policies. We need a clean sweep in Westminster and we are going to get it. England deserves better than this shower,bring on the General Election and soon. Gordon and his Darling are Doooooooooooooooomed,as Fraiser would say.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 17/2/2010 3 Well why aren't you? Are you shy of being patriotic? You're preaching the same message we in the BNP have preached for years. Do you really, truly, believe the Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are going to change things back? Tell me what in the BNP that YOU don't agree with. Not what the BBC and Establishment media say about the BNP but what YOU actually find so wrong. Have you ever been to a BNP meeting and seen and heard the members? They speak with the same voice as you. It sounds to me that you have succumbed to the paranoid media drivel about the BNP, the sort of nonsense that Dimbleby and his mates at BBC expound! Have you ever read the BNP manifesto? Go on 'Anon' - do yourself a favour and become less like a sheeple.
Time that access to all services such as health and welfare was based on contributions to the system not residence.
No good complaining to these idiotic Marxist morons - they have an agenda.
It's no use thinking the cameroon tories will do anything about this. 1. they are a bunch of europhiles and will not dare to defy eu diktats 2. callmedave is all in favour of MORE eastern european countries joining - quite coincidentally his elite associates are getting lucrative contracts there - what do they care about overcrowded schools and hospitals - it doesn't affect them at all. As for Woolas, he is either a complete idiot or evil , I don't know which is worse
Its only this stupid government that is to blame for all this. The sooner they are out the better.
Surprise surprise!.
Brown and Co have encouraged this immigration boom in the expectation that the incomers will show their appreciation by voting Labour
I'm British. For a while, I lived and worked in another country. I learnt the language before I went there and I went home when my job ended. I didn't claim benefits. I didn't have a council house. I didn't use any free facilities, I paid my way. That's what I think people should do in a foreign country. Almost all the first-generation immigrants I meet live in either council housing or housing association housing. I can't get enough points to get to the top of the list because I don't have children. It should be first-come, first-served.
Myself and my husband are migrant workers from another EU country. We both came intending to stay only for a couple of years, but have been here for over a decade. You will all be delighted to hear that we are leaving in April, having decided that paying almost £700,000 in tax every year, is madness, especially when we are constantly faced with articles like this one implying that we're a drain on resources!! The Problem isn't immigration, it's the crazy benefits system which is abused by both migrants and natives. Planning for services like hospitals and schools has been woefully inadequate. I'm not Polish, but I bet you'll find that most Poliash migrants get jobs, pay tax and contribute to society, and in the next generation their motivated educated children will be far bigger contributors than the 'British' wasters on benefits in council flats complaining about immigrants.
Whoops! Yet another not-joined-up, not-thought-through, politically motivated, Labour policy.... and "they" are away (Blair and Cherie - often wondered about her name, French for "dear" - does that mean expensive?) earning millions, getting the best private education they can for their children, the best private health care possible, leaving us, the suckers who have been footing their bill, suffering the consequences.
I was born and grew up in London. Yes I miss it but had to get out of the place because it became a place I no longer knew and no longer liked. All the comments by people who want immigration halted and something done about it better vote for the BNP. They are the ONLY PARTY who will carry out your wishes. So it's your vote, vote for the party that will do what you want. If not the CONs, LIB-DIMs and LIEbour will let it continue and all you will ever do is moan and moan and moan about what is happening. So use your vote wisely and vote for the party that will make Great Britain GREAT again, the BNP.
Well never mind, its the price you pay for a few extra labour votes. Why get workshy labour voters off their backsides when you can kill two birds with one stone and bring more potential labour voters into the country and keep the feckless happy?
What will it take before there is a STOP to more people coming into this country, maybe a revolution,oh no l almost forgot this is spineless Britain,
Let's face it, no-one has a clue how many immigrants are here or where they are from. What's more it is not only schools and hospitals that are at breaking point but the whole infrastructure of the country. Should imagine the BNP will have a ball in the general election -all down to Labour's deliberate policy of allowing any Tom Dick or Harry to take up residence without necessarily contributing a penny.
Wakie wakie everyone, what a surprise!
I'm 38 and was born and bred here in England, however due to a bad relationship I am a single mum of one. I have spoken to my local council regarding a propery, which would only cost them £350 however i have been refused and my council would rather pay the £1000 a month my landlord charges. My son goes to a junior school whcih in the last 3 years has seen a HUGE influx of Eastern Europeon children. Having spoken to the parents of these children they are living in a COUNCIL property and claiming benefits for their Council Tax etc. My question is how can they have priority over myself that was born and raised here, I have worked and payed taxes as have my parents and Grand parents before them???
Britain's immigration boom"? Oh-no, surly not, Britain is a member state of the European Union and has been officially since December last year. This is an EU immigration boom which Brown or anyone else can do nothing about as they've handed control to Brussels. So, remember, it's not the British "government" doing this now as we no longer have a government. This is directly down to the EU!!
The great thing about "growth rate" financial or population nothing can keep up with demand and it is self fuelling when it gets too big. Eventually a maximum is hit and it starts too implode. Socially it starts too fall apart, a bit like the banks with no money the growth rate stalls the system again. Double dip anybody? Only ones that can be responsibile are the politicians for allowing the model to persist and grow.
instead of moaning about this a newspaper why dont you email the PM about it ...maybe then he will have to do something about ..if you dont they will sneak in an Amnesty and forget Woolass ..tell him where to stick his PC Liberal Lefty outlook ....let your fingers do the talking to the Minister of Immigration and Number 10 ...do it now ...
It is frightening to think that the government do not have a clue how big the population of this country really is.
"Ministers say that more than 700,000 of those who came to Britain have now left." Woolly Woolas strikes again. How on earth do they know this? There is no recording at departure points when people leave. This is all just a guesstimate and a pretty inaccuate one at that it would seem. They take us taxpayers for fools, and we let them.
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
Learn from California in the US. California had a booming economy, plus unbelievable beauty and quality of life. Then in the 1960's, immigration became the thing the liberals boosted-"sanctuary cities" forbade police from asking the legality of immigration status of anyone they arrested for crimes; welfare was extended to people without regard to their citizenship. The word went out and the scroungers showed up in droves; their political lackies, the leftists, hurled "racist bigot" and "hater" at anyone who said it was not affordable and should be stopped. Taxes to support these benefits skyrocketed. Judges ordered that schools must provide teachers fluent in spoken and written EVERYTHING for EVERY dialect of the immigrants flooding the state. ' Increasingly the immigrants demonstrated hate and contempt for all things American and demanded entitlements of all kinds. Now California is bankrupt and issuing IOU's to pay all--waiting for bailout by USA tax.
we are told immigration increases competitiveness (lowers wages and increases competition for work) and that this is to our benefit, how exactly?
Woolas, go and take a long walk off a short pier.
In 2003 Poland was hailed as the new Tiger economy. Labour then decided to poach two million of their essential workers and the result is that seven years later even after their President begged them to go home Poland has achieved or progressed very little. They have failed to build their own country and thanks to the connivance of labour and the Millibands the international dependency culture has been entrenched for at least another decade. And I wonder what Ed Millipede thinks about the 'carbon footprints' of half a dozen new airlines which were specifically set up to shuttle Eastern europeans back and forward across the continent. What a pair of schizoid labour prats.
Now the authorities are complaining about what the people have been telling all the time and they just did not listen to the commonsense that was given to them. "Well" Now you have left this to late.The degenerating of the infrastructure and the communities started when the authorities ignored reason. So!,what is your next plan..Tax the law biding as usual to the point where one cannot afford to buy even the basics to feed the imported free loaders. BRING BACK COMMONSENSE
Nothings going to change with any of the main parties, might as well get used to that idea. Only way out is to vote for BNP the party of the future, they have the guts to do what needs to be done, either that or the situation is going to deteriorate
No you're joking-i'm just a van driver and even I worked this out by just driving round and seeing everyday life-but of course politicians won't do that,will they-they're too busy with their snouts in the trough.
Nowadays it seems that Government has one objective for everything. Deception. On any subject they only do Deception.
Why does the government spokesman on this kind of story always come out with the same statement about how migrants are benefitting the economy? Is the record stuck? If someone stopped massageing the figures then we might actually believe them. If we did not see jobs now being done by Poles and Latvians etc, then we might actually look at the benefits, If there was not a series of story's about benefits claims & money going out of our system for children in eastern europe etc we might actually look again. What we do see is an unemployment line that is growing like crazy. what we see are people afraid to lose jobs and taking pay cuts and changes in conditions that will only benefit employers and all this time we see civil servents claiming medals that should be going to the troops, civil servents claiming bonuses for NOT supplying arms and ammunition and equipment needed by the troops, M.P.'s claiming for plasma tellys and roofs on second homes out of our money. Its time for honesty.
It would seem everything the BNP have been saying is true.
"....Poles who moved to Britain fly their children home for medical and dental treatment becouse they do not trust the NHS..." that is what Daily Mail wrote some times ago ,so what is the true?
Repatriation.
Quote: 'We have listened to the British people and have made huge changes to the immigration system...." So are you too thick to understand what the words STOP ALL FURTHER IMMIGRATION NOW mean then?
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester what a typical liebore type of solution.. This commentator is missing the essential truth that liebore won't address.. namely..Nobody asked us if we wanted to be overrun by migrants..so go ask the 'lovely quiet villages' if they want the same....
Just wait until Turkey becomes an EU member.
You did vote Labour,what did you expect,a well run country by a bunch of Marxists?
This weak spineless goverment whith no backbone to frightened say anything,thers no chance they will do anything,not long now street party's happy days, im wishing my life away,please please please,election come soon
The sensitive 70 million will be hit by 2029 !! The population is well over 70 million now, 29 top immigration officials are being well paid to keep their mouths shut. The population of the uk was 56.5 million way back in 1956 according to a map of the uk displayed on most classrooms in the country at that time, the government rely very heavilly on peoples short memories.
All water under the bridge, the sad part is that it was utterly predictable and the disaster now being experienced is down quite simply to successive Governments not having the guts to do what was needed one one hand or the foresight to prepare for it on the other.
All those complaining about immigrants, are You really that stupid? If You would think, You would notice that the problem is lying somewhere else. If all the contributions made by immigrants thru tax, insurance and so one would go directly to councils to those services, there would be NO strains. But the money goes centrally to the government which in turn gives just a part, just a percent of it back to councils in grants! Did You really think that only those born and bread in here are covering the government expenses?
Phil Woolas : " We have listened to the British people etc. etc. " Have you ever heard such utter garbage in all your life???? Everyone knows what is happening and why, and for this minister to make a statement like this is incredulous. He insults my intelligence.
I asked a friend five years ago about this subject,he repied when the West Indians move out because the Eastern Europeans move in,you have a Problem
Hopefully, immigration will be high up on the election agendas - it should be. I will vote for any party that has a sensible approach to immigration.
This is old news surely, most people have been aware of what has been happening over the last few years, but as usual its the old story of closing the ' flood gates' to late, our schools, hospitals, etc are now over overrun by people who haven't paid a penny into the tax systems etc, we are a nation of fools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uncontrolled immigration has been an unstated major objective of this Government since it came to power a decade ago. They cannot now be surprised that their policies are causing the destruction of our infrastructure. All ordinary people knew this would happen. It really is too late now to fix the problem. Do you honestly imagine that any government can deport these people or that they plan to leave voluntarily? Even the BNP don't claim they could manage it. So the problem of millions of outstretched palms will not go away. More will continue to crowd in with THEIR palms outstretched too. It will not stop until or unless benefits are stopped. Do you imagine any Governmen t is going to do that and get elected? It WILL happen, but only when the economy collapses. The honest truth is that we are past the tipping point. Britain plc is doomed. I suggest you find a better country now, before they stop accepting refugees from Britain. Good luck
This has been as plain as daylight to the rest of us but when we spoke about it we were all called racists and incapable of being objective.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point" Translation - Nulab have screwed Britain with their multicultural society NO ONE wanted!!!
Why are this now being taken seriously? We knew this was happening 25 years ago, but then if you talked about it, you were considered a racist.
During a TV programe screened by Polish TV recently a professor from Warsaw University challenged the British Governments figures of 700,000 Poles returning home alleging the figure was closer to 70,000 as indicated by Polish government benefits and taxation systems.Who to believe? Possibly best not Mr Brown's story writers.
It is really sad that the vast majority of people here seem to think they know it all and as usual put all blame on foreigners for their troubles in life. first of all let me tell you i'm Portuguese and we have well over 100,000 Brits permanentely living in Portugal and enjoying the same benefits as any other Portuguese Citizen and yes that will include any benefits the same Portuguese Citizen would be allowed. according to estatistics there are about 450,000 Portuguese in the UK but please keep in mind Portugal is about 5 times smaller than the U.K and as you can see we probably would have a bigger problem with you than you with us. Furthermore when i do go to the dentist i usualy pay for it this is despite paying taxes which rightly allow me to use the NHS so i guess i'm paying for some Brits to get their treatment for free then uh , it does not bother me for as long i know that if i do need to use the service it will be there for me too.
We should only provided what they would give to you if YOU where doing the same in the country they come from. I bet a lot would think twice about working in the UK.
It has NOTHING to do with EU! It was a decision of British government to let the Poles in.The Germany still prohibits employment of Poles Now Britain has opened doors for Romanians and Bulgarians.Now,these nations are REALLY poor and underdeveloped. Limit the migration,do something but stop complaining
Well...the General Election is on the horizon and I happen to think that uncontrolled immigration is killing this country. Sorting out immigration will be the number 1 issue on my agenda when testing prospective candidates for my vote....there is no point in asking candidates their views on public services etc., when uncontrolled immigration is swamping them. So...any party that can convince me they are determined to stem uncontrolled immigration.....they've got my vote.
My advice, sell Sterling and the Euro and buy the Yen or Gold. We are in for a Bankrupt Britain as we just can't cope with this sustained mass immigration.
get us out of the e.u. i thought david cameron would be good for the u.k.but we need some one with back bone who will stand up for the british people and i'm afraid he won't do that its time to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough as the brits patience is just about at an end.
I am an Asian immigrant who pays the higher end of the tax scale like most of us from Asia do as we come here for jobs( because of shortages here particularly in the healthcare sector) and pay our taxes.A vast majority of us speak English and I daresay write and spell better than people born and brought up here. A majority of us are not entitled to and therefore do not claim any benefits. I do understand everyone's concerns( and no it is not racist to think of what immigration has done here) but please understand that migrants from Asia do not eat into your taxes only contribute to it. To label all of us in the same bracket is unfair to put it mildly and smacks of ignorance. The checks we go through would be deemed unbelievable by all here compared to what the EU migrants do and to be treated as a thug when one has an honest job here and contributes to the community is something none of you will ever understand.
Our system should be the same in whole as to the USA, Canada and other's alike, I want to leave this rat hole but I have to go through a points system not only that I have to make sure I have money to live for a minimum of 6 months, and a JOB. I drive for a living and visit many places I was delivering steel to a construction site never been there before, seen a worker thought I'd ask him were was the site foreman, after 5 mins of trying to find someone who could understand English I just sat there and waited for them to come to me and it's like that about 95% of the time, Us Brit's are the odd one's out we no longer belong here, I can't even wear a Cross around my neck I'll affend someone but they wear what's right for their religion. SAD Britain no Great Britain.
Surely, these political parties have woken up to the fact that the British public have had enough? We want a party who is willing to close the doors to immigrants wanting to take advantage of our system, only allowing in those that are absolutely necessary to provide the skills we do not already possess. Those that respect our culture and are willing to integrate into our society. We also need a government that is willing to sort out our benefits system. We have enough of our own scroungers who are happy to sit on their backsides, pumping out babies expecting everything to be handed to them on a plate. Although the BNP's policies of stopping immigration and making Britain British are appealing, it's their sinister policies that they do not wish to make public that are the worrying ones. They are a racist party - the fact they have been forced to admit non-whites into their party does not stop their racist intentions.
"Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year." You're supporting UKIP at the next election, are you? Because those are EXACTLY their policies. Check out their website.
Maybe if you get a few more outsiders into England it'll knock some sense into you and strangle this BNP revival at birth.
It's not only the schools and hospitals that are at breaking point, the whole country is at breaking point. These idiotic stupid and brainless politicians have no idea of what this country are having to put up with, all because they have never listened to the very people who unfortunately put them in power.
If we were not in the EU we could please ourseves, but our New Labour Government has no say in who comes in and it is we Tax Payers who suffer.
er wait a bit. Stop Polish coming in, withdraw benefits.. Ilegal. They are members of the EU and have as much right of movement within it as you do.
Why dont some of you have a quick browse of the bnp website i got my eyes opened wide and it was not just about the imigration have a look you have nothing to loose,
In France jobs go to the French and rightly so. Very few are on offer to anyone else. If you can't speak French you take your own interpreter. Tough.
Phil Woolas says we have listened to the British people ,this gutless shower of a government are only talking about immigration because they are scared of losing the next election,and with it their cosy little nest eggs and fiddles. The sooner we get a government in this country that puts the people of this country first the better , and i dont mean the tories or the wishy washy libs.
Well folks will all the countries lining up to join EU we will have more. Why? our benefit system and the fact that we are an easy touch. Possibly we ought to start by saying no benefit to our own scoungers then they might work. Apart from that close the doors to anyone who cannot speak English ,that takes a job which one of our scroungers can do,that can not support themselves for at least one year and no free rent or cash benefits until they have worked and paid into the system for 4 years. Children cannot go to school until they can speak and read English the cost of this to be met by the parents or the imigrant community.Anyone have the guts? NO NO NO why so-called Human rights, Refugee charities and doggoders.Worst offender the EU
BNP folks that is all we have now to save this deteriorating country of ours. This government and all opposition knew this would happen, plus the local authorities who condemned the BNP, as being racist, well the truth is out now thay have all fallen into their own deception, caught red handed. Now it is time for them to fall onto their own swords for being found out, you are all on your way, it is clean up time.
Paranoid panic-spreading! The net movement is still out!
... the only political party with tough immigration policies for halting mass-immigration into Britain, is the BNP ... and anyone complaining against that mass-immigration but refuses voting for the BNP, has no grounds for complaining, and deserves being swamped by immigrants, and deserves loosing their job to immigrants ...
I've worked in a school. The majority of new pupils are either from the EU, from outside the EU given leave to be here, or have originated from outside the EU, obtained an EU passport from another country and then are free to come here as EU citizens. The majority of these do not speak English, they also claim free school meals, have council housing, etc, etc. They are a huge strain on school resources and every other public service.
Anecdotal evidence. I live near the A2 (Old Kent Rd) in London and have been observing the East European buses bring in the migrants on it for the last decade. It's true that they (the buses) aren't as full to the brim as they were a couple of years ago heading towards the centre, but they're still virtually empty when heading back down to Dover. And pretty much every non-English tongue I hear in Tesco is still Slavic. That said, I've known plenty of Polish and Russian (with a few Hungarians and Czechs) during my time working in the courier and building industries, and most are pretty good, honest sorts who are actually here to work. Whether the money ends up staying in this British economy though, I don't know.
I am in favour of the EU, but the financing goes all astray when only the big and wealthier countries need to do their bit and not give much responsibility to the poorer ones (mainly Eastern EU). I heard many stories of how people come to the UK to work and then send their money back to Poland to build a nice house there. Cool for them. I think workers are welcome as long as they and their families cannot so easily abuse the system (get a council flat, live on benefits whilst hiding real income, etc.).
Lets stop messing about. Lets get these people out of this country ....now.
It's interesting how they don't mention the immigration from outside of the EU. A far worse problem for sure. Of course this is due to the Labour party who were long ago taken over by the liberal elite. By the way the Tories are no different. Exactly the same type of people waiting in the wings to continue the mess. Don't bother voting for minor political parties either because it is fundamentally impossible for any minor political party in Britain to win elections - EVER. At the next general election as usual the vast majority of votes will go to the three main parties because the British people don't and never will vote in large enough numbers for minor parties. We need a populist political movement like the Tea Party Movement that is making big waves in the US. It is the only way to take back our nation. Once the political movement has done it's job and united everyone behind a common cause to create political change, then you launch a viable new political party.
Truth wil out!
Bring in a national census now, where you have to appear in person, with your family, with documentation proving your name, address, National Insurance number. Authorities issue photo ID card. Failure to register-lose right to benefits, NHS, housing and RIGHT TO LIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know this will inconvenience people, but if we want our country back, we have to do it.
I worked in the NHS and acted as Data Manager for all patients registered with GP practices in our county. I knew better than anyone the number of immigrants in our county, much more so than the official ONS (Office of National Statistics) which based the overall country's population on Census Returns and project those figures to declare current population numbers. I always told the 'official' great and good that immigrant, legal or otherwise, would register with the NHS before, if ever, filling in a Census Return. Nobody wanted to know, maybe it was easier to manipulate finances to where the Government wanted the bribes......
it's liebours policy to flood this little island with foreigners,free housing free benefits free nhs free free free free,but it's us british taxpayers footing the bill,then our useless governments give billions of our hard earned taxses away to help other country's charity begins at home,our nation is at breaking point and if nothing is done soon,the bnp will fill the houses of parliment with bnp mp's we the fed up taxpayer will be voting them in.
Friend of mine lives in a town near the Welsh border. He wasn't exaggerating when he said half the class his 8 year old is in is made up of East Europeans. The town, a small one, now boasts three East European corner food shops. The changing face of Britain, courtesy of Blair's multiculturalism. Only thing is, the kids mix, the parents wont. Main reason he says is because the parents can't speak much English!
"I have no problems with people coming over here to live" Well you should have! There are 350 million people in the EU and every single one has the RIGHT to come and live here and receive benefits. 1.5 million Poles came here and they are now using our hospitals, maternity wards, schools, GPs, council houses and JOBS! They are never going back to Poland. And if the Euro collapses there could be MILLIONS more heading this way. And that is just from within the EU - there are millions more here from OUTSIDE the EU. they get in as students, as asylum seekers or as illegals. This is not an accident. Labour intends to destroy the last shred of British culture in its march for Global Revolution (global capitalism).
Come round my way, I am a stranger in my own city, nobody speaks English, nor has to, the indiginous language is everyone elses bar mine. And as far as the town hall manderins are concerned, have they only just woken up to this fact, which everyone else has been saying for years? I suggest they get out more.
Only schools and hospitals what about more social workers- more crime-more tax payers money on legal aid-more welfare-more foster parents the list goes on and on and will continue to do so even under useless Cameron.We need a revolution or a dictator until we see sense.
Simple - raise taxes. It's only logical once you have decided to admit more people. Another 5p on income tax should easily cover the longer term implications of expanding capacity of our infrastructure. Who could complain?
Yes johnny, it does matter. The resources for schools and healthcare are not unlimited. The unplanned and seemingly uinlimited use by 3rd-world immigrants of these resources means that our old and vulnerable are denied the health treatment they need and that children attending inner-city schools sugffer even more as teachers are fored to deal with multituders of children who do not speak English. Our taxes and debts are thus higher than they need to be and our quality of life moves down another rung. You may not care but many of us do and would be happy to see the end of immigration and incentives for those here to return to their countries of origin.
Oh for gods sake................you only have to go to any hospital Be it a&e or admissions to add up the foreigners using The system...................... Only an idiot would say they couldn't see this happening............ Ask the receptionists of any doctors surgery or hospital appointment..................you will get a true answer..................
Oh no, foreign people! Watch DM readers everywhere squirm and grasp their mortgage documents in fright! They're not white! They speak other languages! They caused the recession! Whatever. Grow up. The country is multicultural. It works. I live in London and nigh on every immigrant I've encountered is in work and speaks competent working English. Which is more than I can say for most of the commenters on this board, who are stupid enough and ignorant enough to suggest voting BNP. You want to vote BNP? You want to vote for ENFORCED REPATRIATION? Disgusting. Maybe Britain is indeed, as this paper harps on everyday, 'broken' if there are people here who honestly think the BNP are a solution to anything. Absolutely foul.
Now. There's a surprise.
I wonder why NuLabour wants to destroy this country....what is really in it for them....
I know several Poles that have moved over here, very nice people. Maybe we should get more in and swap them for all the moaning Mail readers and the country would be a happier place.
Same as Labour's policies on the invasion of Iraq and the management of our economy - totally reckless and with zero planning for the future.
Gordon Brown, the idiot Phil Woolas and at least five or six cabinet members are surely guilty of Treason, specifically on this issue.
I don't understand any of this, after all Teflon Tony and The one eyed pension thief have been telling us for years that immigration is a good thing, and that the benefit to the country is immense. Not to mention that it is not happening on the scale that gets reported, and that they all go home in the end. Ohh wait hang on, it looks like they pulled the wool over my eyes for a moment there.
This was all so forseeable. We're a tiny rock and can't take any more. The "main parties" have totally let us down. I'll vote BNP in the election, not that I particularly agree with what they say but out of total desparation.
As so many others have pointed out on here, the only logical resolution to this issue is to vote in the BNP. However, this action would NOT necessarily reduce the immigration volumes but it would make those REPONSIBLE for the TREACHERY pay for their crimes.
if you combine government figures that are totally untrue with the extra demand on services along with the government only providing financial help that fits in with their official figures - the end result is we all get a much worse service and nobody really benefits.
Why can't we do as the Australians did in the 1960s? Friends of ours wanted to emigrate there but had to sell their homes here to enable them to buy a house in Melbourne, the husband had to be a skilled tradesman and a job lined up and they had to pass a full medical to prove amongst other things that they did not have TB. They did not go there expecting housing to be provided such as the ones in mansions in London or expect to get loads of other benefits which theyhad not contributed to. Time for us to pull the plug on all these freebies which we are paying for through our ever increasing taxes.
Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said that Eastern Europeans are going home. A bubble head who knows nothing and makes up every word that comes from his mouth.
Why yes Steven, let's look outside of Europe. What exactly does NI cover because I pay a lot of it monthly. I thought it was for NHS but as an American in the UK I cannot collect any public funds or use the NHS. My child as well whose father is my British born Husband. He pays a lot of NI contributions as well as thousand of pounds in visa fees for the privledge of having his wife live with him.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Why aren't you in favour of the BNP? The 4 points you have made hit the nail straight on the head. However, only a BNP government would actually bring them into play. The three mainstream parties wouldn't even implement one of those points. Therefore if you really do feel strongly that your 4 points should be implemented then why won't you support the party who will implement them?
wow you BRITS are rather rash towards immigrant, not all immigrants are after your so called freebies,some have put in so much and have not taken anything out at all, I came in as an al levels student and i now hold a phd having paid international fees all thru... nothing short of a hundred thousand pounds altogether, with all these nastiness towards immigrants time to emmigrate out, unfortunately I cant take my money out with me.........Britain is not paradise you know .............................
You just know we are over populated by going to the supermarket, if they didn't open Sundays and late evening, it would be a stampede, the Government could stop Immigration from outside the EU but they wont!!
Why not put a COMPLETE halt on the whole immigration issue, for at least 20 years!!! It's totally outrageous to allow several million foreigners (UNINVITED) to flood this small, heavily over-crowded island. If they have the means to get here, then surely the authorities have the same means to stop them. Stop them at source! I'm sure it could be done. A worldwide effort is required. But big business will take anyone's money - that's the problem!!! AKA Cheap Flights??? Oh yes, not to mention the "bent" Labour Party, and the "Bent Broadcasting Corporation" which condones it.
Theses immigrants only want a better life. I'm sure if you lived in Poland, you would want to move to a wondeful country like Britain
We are used to Mr Woolas spouting stuff........ Not for much longer though....... Simples.
The UK is part of the European union and the free movement of it's citizens are permitted throughout. We have the same problem in California whose warm dry climate serve as a magnet for the rest of the country's welfare recipients.
Labour shot themselves in the foot by not restricting immigrants from Eastern Europe. Germany and France decided to limit new arrivals, we did not. Logically the Poles would then choose to come here, since after the Germans and French, we are the next strongest country in terms of economy. We should have followed their lead by restricting new arrivals and by not doing so have we have placed an enormous strain on public services, which will simply grow as these migrants have families. We take in tens of thousands of immigrants a year which is far too many. We need to reduce this number to just a few thousand and then only should take in those immigrants we need, not just any immigrant who only come here because they can (thanks to the EU!). Immigration should be a key issue for the next general election but again the main parties say almost nothing about it! Unbelievable.
Are we meant to be surprised? There are not enough jobs to go round, the NHS is stretched to breaking point and schools cannot cope, yet more and more immigrants pour in. Roll on General Election!
Anon UK, had better vote BNP if he is wishing for "a little common sense put into practice". He won't get that anytime soon from the out of touch big 3!
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract attention from this by trying to put blame on the Conservatives. How can the Torioes disperse immigrants whilst not in government? It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth.
Ahhh just throw out all the dole scum chavs and nazi's out of our beloved country and we'll have plenty of room for hard working eastern Europeans.
Not only schools and hospitals but our whole economy is at breaking point. We are filled with people who simply are unable to support themselves and never will. A country is no different to a company it is only has good has the people in it.
ALL the parties in Westminster are to blame as none of them has the guts to face up to the cultural destruction of what was once a green and pleasant land! I am SICK of feeling like a foreigner in my own City! The party that listens to ordinary people like me will get my vote! Sadly it appears I will have to vote for the one that leaves a sour taste in the mouth but it's the only way!
In the space of 6 years my local town centre has changed beyond belief, often the only tongues you hear are Eastern Europeans!
Oh surprise, surprise - penny dropping is it? We are being swamped and the government (notice the small 'g') is refusing to believe this. I am NOT a racist, I do not care about the colour of people's skin or where they come from but I do care about being made to feel a 2nd class citizen in my own country.
If this is all true then why has the media been villifying the BNP for saying this exact thing for years. Oh I forgot the BNP are nuckle draggers , seems to me they have mor sense than a liblieconukip voter.
It's the new Liebour Utopia, welcome to third world Britannia. We will go the way of the original Australians, unwanted in our own land!
What are you t elling us for, we already know this and have been screaming about it for years. Councils, you know what to do, lobby your MP and Central Goverment and get them to sort it out. Do Councils have a charter they can use for Central Government....or would that too be a waste of time and money!!
I can understand this if they just claimed benefits,but all of the poles at least work hard,try calling for a british plumber,you will have to wait three days until they turn up,and then they charge you a fortune, To most poles this is the land of milk and honey, and i for one don`t have a problem with it.They work hard,don`t rip you off,are polite and most importantly try to become British. If you are going to blame anyone,then blame this bloody government, but don`t think it`s going to get better under the torys, because it won`t.
Those of us who became foreigners in our own home towns new this was happening: we knew about this 10 years ago.....so why are they bleating on about it now...it's TOO LATE. Until the BNP are voted in of course!
“Workers from those countries have benefited the UK economy filling skills and labour supply gaps in sectors such as health and care, hospitality and agriculture” No they haven’t, they’ve displaced the indigenous populace and are one of the key reasons for 2.5 million Brits out of work on the dole and with no chance of employment because of all the foreigners taking the jobs. As everyone knows, the figures cited by the government are all bogus as they have failed to keep count, as they have been forced to admit on numerous occasions. Total fraud and massive failure by government.
The problems we have are all caused by Tony Blair rushing to sign up to this mass immigration from Eastern Europe, I think his ploy was to swamp the country with cheap labour which enabled him to keep the wages of the working class low, without having to face the unions. Also he used the economic migrants to make up labour shortages caused by the many feckless people here who sit on the dole. Other countries did not join in for at least 3 years, thereby letting the UK take in the most of the Eastern European economic migrants, they must be having a real laugh at our stupidity. Meanwhile not only have the working class been priced out of jobs, they have to wait even longer for basic services because these have been swamped with migrants.
Soon your whole language will be contaminated by pollution with foreign tongues. Your pure-bred, totally English only-, ...uh...wait, that happened 1,000 years ago. Saxon or Norman? Check one. Extra points if you are a politically correct, mixed-race Saxonorman.
As Tony Bliar and co hated us all so much that he/they wanted to rub our noses in multiculturalism, and furthermore, as Labour threw open the doors to mass migration in a deliberate policy to change the social make-up of the UK, and welcomed dangeraous criminals into this country, I think it fair that all of the wealth he/they have built up is confiscated and used to overturn his disasterous and dishonest policies.
When I moved to Cyprus I had to get the permission of the Council of Ministers to buy my property there. This was only given when I could show through bank statements and other records that I could support myself and wife there. They also have a system where you have to pay into the Social Fund for at least one year before you get anything out of it. They don't seem to have any problems with illegal immigrants and free loaders there. I wonder why that is. Do you think that the UK can learn any lessons from this.
Of course that is the case. Most sane minded people understand this. Unfortunately the Socialist rabble that are intent upon re-engineering the population to vote ONLY for them every time do not give a damn. They only wish to hold on to power any way they can. And the sheeple continue to vote them in because they get a free ride. Eventually the free ride WILL end and those same sheeple will find that they too will have to pull their weight. Bring on the revolution and vote these (paraphrasing the words of a Liarbore MP) scum sucking pigs OUT.
11,000 Polish in Aberdeen. They havent gone home.
Welcome to the diversified, PC nuthouse, run by complete BUFFOONS & LAWLESS Britain, all you immigrants, this is what happens when you open the FLOODGATES, all of the above, especially diversity, DOES NOT WORK, & guess what? you are most WELCOME to it.
It's an absolute scandal and disgrace. The taxpayers of this country are being skinned right left and centre. Will the government do anything about it, I think not, they are too busy looking for new ways to line their pockets. Any new incoming government has got an impossible task because this rotten corrupt labour government has ruined this country beyond repair.
Anon, UK - you have just said EXACTLY what I was going to. I have in fact written to David Cameron saying just that.
You cannot get a quart into a pint pot. Never have been able to.
The sooner Britain has ID cards the better as long as they are not all intrusive only showing Residential status, citizenship, residential ststus etc. Only then can hundreds of thousands of illegalÂ’s in the country be weeded out and deported. Anyone found without a valid ID document should not receive any benefits, social security, health care etc. Nor should they be allowed to work or open bank accounts. Anyone employing illegalÂ’s should be sentenced to a minimum of ten years gaol and a fine of 50,000 pounds. The illegals should then immediately be deported. If they refuse to say where tey came from and how they got into the country they must be gaoled with hard labour until they do.!! (That will make the PC brigade and the liberal's teeth curl)
well theres a simple answer here. Pump more into the services give them more money, and bring more in. This will enrich the uk no end.
I really don't like the idea of the BNP in power, but right now I cannot see any other solution, as no other party will effectively deal with the problem of immigration. This is a very, very serious issue.
Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Maby I am missing the plot here, but the way I interpret the article is that it is a veiled attack on EU immigrants. None of the points you raise are applicable to them.
Australia has got it right close the door before we sink
We have the same problem here on the Costa del Sol. Loads of old ex pats from Britain cluttering up the hospitals. Also a lot of families who come over and put their kids into Spanish schools. They don't speak a word of Spanish and therefore schools have to take on extra staff to teach them. If you can't afford a private English speaking school. don't come till your kids are past school age. You shouldn't want to put your kids at such a disadvantage in the first place! Scuzzers...
Typical of yet more Labour lies, the trouble is they don't the difference between truth and spin.
This is deliberate Labout policy, they believe that most of the immigrants will vote Labour. The British public has been conned. remember this at the general election.
ive said it before and no doubt i will have to say it again "MOANING DOSENT WORK",for over 50 years thats what brits have been doing "MOAN MOAN WHINE SNIVEL",some of you still seem to think that the 3 failed old parties are listening to you or even give a monkey's about what you want, think or say,WAKE UP AND FACE FACTS,are you unhappy with the state of our little land,if so who has been in charge for the last 50 odd years?thats right the 3 failed old parties,what we need is an alternative party one who will put the british people "FIRST,LAST AND ALWAYS",get us out of the e.u,stop all immigration,bring back capital and corporal punishment,replace our 5star prison hotels with no star hard labour camps,and that party is the BNP. otherwise re-elect the 3 failed old parties and i promise you that you will have no shortage of things to moan about for the next 5 years,the 3 failed old parties are not interested in what we want for our country,ourselves or our childrens future,THEY DONT CARE!
Tony, Gordon and the rest of the cronies allowed this to happen in the hope that this country would have a permanent labour government. They did not have the intelligence to realise that traditional labour voters would desert them in there thousands. Call me Dave, beware!!!!
The easy answer to that is throw the ones that don't work, and all those on state benefits out the country, job done.
The ONLY way to stop this flood of immigrants and asylum seekers milking us dry and destroying our society is to elect a BNP Government. It's that simple.
How long are we going to let this go on? We have been lied to and lied to and lied to, anything that worthless woolas says cannot be trusted. Im going to say this, Woolas I am tired of paying for these grasping individuals who seem to always get a better quality of life than we do, I am tired of you and your endless lies about your immigration agend, and most of all I am sick and tired of the labour party, the most disastrous reign of a government this country has ever had.
SHUT THE BOARDERS!!!!
Yes reason number three why the country is bankrupt , number one being Labours economic management and number two the banks .
Get ready for a further wave of fines, penalties, threats and punishments from whichever party wins the next election. The next attack on the Englishman is the "death tax" in order to pay for this debacle. How long does anyone think it will be before one of our vile political parties makes a Law that entitles them, and their rotten-to-the-core Local Authorities to assess the requirements of a home owner and forcibly "buy" that home from someone who has worked all their lives to buy it? And you wont get any money - instead it will go towards any care that you may need ( irrespective of the fact that you have already paid for care many times over through Income Tax and National Insurance) and any surplus will go into a "social pot" that caters for the glass-backed members of our society and the hoards of immigrants who have never contributed a penny!!! Everything our "leaders" do points to this. I will burn mine to the ground first!!!!!!!!!
As a schoolboy we worked out that the population of China could stand shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight... Seems that NuLab are trying to prove it in practice... BUT Do not, as some Commentators on here, reduce yourselves to the 12 year Selective Memory Syndrome and lay ALL the blame on Labour... Remember the problem began in the 1950's and OK NuLab put the tin hat on it over the last decade. Sorry to say, no confidence that the Boy Dave will do much more than the Lib, Lab and Cons have done over the last 60+ years.
Get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and use them to seal the borders of this over-populated island! This is the best way by far to stop terrorists entering our country, and would be far cheaper than the mega-billions we're spending in the aforementioned lands. Why, oh why is Phil Woolas not in a home for the deranged?????
And this is the reason why poor Mrs Brown/Jones/zindarway ends up on their bed in a cupboard!!!!
Simple... make the native EU country pay for the translators, medical costs and housing. Review after 10 years ..
lets have a census now, then we should know who is here legally after which we should start kicking out all the illegals and to hell with human rights and the bleating overpaid lawyers who are bleeding the taxpayer dry
Whats the matter with these politicians just close the doors for gods sake.
I read somewhere that the population for England is nearer 70 million. Who says that?Well,the people who sell food. Even taking into account the amount that some people consume, food manufacturers and supermarkets are saying that they are making/selling enough food for at least 70 million people in England. You have a census due next year but I am sure that the people who have to conduct it will not get the correct figures as there are so many illegals in the UK. As for immigration from Eastern Europe I am sorry but the UK is full. The idiot who said that only 13,000 would come and settle should be sacked.
Donald Alexander Merritt, England UK 16/2/2010 15:13 I agree with every thing you have said and I propose a reduction of central funding streams for areas with high immigrant populations.The NHS had a formula called RAWP which allocated resources on a population and need basis this could be used.The political message has always been that immigrants bring wealth into the country so the fair way would be to reduce the funding to the Local Authorities and the NHS.The monies saved could be put toward reducing the national debt and looking after our armed personnel who are being sent to die in foreign lands for no good purpose. The alternative of course is to vote BNP at the next election.
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 If you or your family need medical help in the future and are told there aren't the resources will you be so relaxed when you complain and a doctor tells you to 'get over it and move on?' The NHS is not a magic porridge pot otherwise those people in desperate need of life enhancing or life extending drugs would be receiving them.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I'm appalled that anyone should be on benefits unless they are a UK citizen!! (I'm an Australian citizen by the way)
Do the same as the French do, if you want access to services, schools etc, you need to learn French. No interpreters or multi-lingual notices here!
I moved to London 12 years ago to study Design. It was full of creative, ambitious, inspiring, talented people. Now, It's a multi-cultural hell hole. It seems all the talented, aspirational people have left. I think it's too late now. Too many British passports have been handed out and we can't withdraw them now.
'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans'.... again and again. Is Poland not a part of Eastern Europe any more?? Is there any need to emphasize Poles all the time? I would recommend not wasting time on polish kids who are able to speak fluent English just after few months!
Be afraid - be very afraid. If you take the view that the country is being overwhelmed, if you are of the opinion that immigration is causing a problem then this labour government will brand you a RACIST!
Would you leave a country where you could get £100,000 in benefits without any need to work as can be seen in Richard Littlejohn’s story? We now know it was a deliberate policy to alter Britain (England?) forever. They must really hate us. Never mind, the Nanny and Cleaner Employing Classes at the BBC and Guardian are doing great.
Great Britain, Britain, no it is U-kay now! No longer 'Great'. I left in 1979 and since then I always wondered why it took me so long to leave. The Britain I knew as a Child during the '50s was but a memory! When any council, or Government allows privilege or entitlements, special treatment to a few, then the rest of U-kay gets p***ed on.
Oh, looks like they've finally woken up and smelt the coffee - what are we paying this lot for, most of us could have told them this years ago, for free!
Labour is ruining my life.
what makes it worse i am one of the jokers helping to fund their one to one to one tuition. good old labour you have bloated and ruined a once nice country,do the decent thing get together with the tories and leave these shores forever
Yet more lies on immigration from the Labour party. What do people expect? Everything Labour have said about immigration since 1997 has been untrue. However it looks as though we will have to experience a real crisis in service provision and chronic social breakdown before the penny finally drops.
Just something else to be grateful to new labour for, is suppose.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out. - sarah, london, 16/2/2010 15:56 Read the article again. Where does it say that immigrants from Eastern Europe are not paying tax or council tax? Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work.
The problem is that for every one person who enters the UK, you should add on an average 5 other family members they are allowed to bring with them, kids, parents etc etc. It is pretty obvious to me as a layperson that the more people you have in one small country, the more strain on all the services - particularly if many of those coming to the UK do not contribute any tax but are primary users of our services. Surely, this isn't rocket science? But, our policitians continue to tell us that these people don't receive benefits, that they contribute to our society in some way - this just isn't the truth. Many people do work but we also have thousands of illegal immigrants who know exactly how to play the system i.e. they know that if they do not have a passport, they cannot be deported under the 'uman rights act so guess what, they lose their passports - on purpose. They are also often arrested only to be released and told to report to authorities - guess what, they don't report in!
It's not only schools and the NHS. t's everything. The roads the housing THE MONEY. LABOUR has ruined this COUNTRY.
This was something all sensible people knew would happen years ago,, but our thick, lazy, useless MPs were too scared to do anything that might upset the immigants..... now we have to pay through taxes,,,,
We are a rich country and can afford to welcome them with open arms.Their children will go on one day to ne our doctors lawyers and MP's and do jobs most of us can only dream of doing.This makes me proud to be called British and shows us to be a tolerant nation.
This inept government just havent a clue,funny they should know how many immigrants are going home, but they havent a clue how many have come in to the country, SPIN SPIN and more SPIN,a" STAN LAUREL and OLIVER HARDY" look alike government.
They wouldn't listen, why should they listen? Blair and his cronies all on private or personal medical care. The Loonies are going to have us all as poor a church mouse very soon. Communism rules O.K
I know of a Brazilian person living in this country for 20 years, doesn't speak a word of english and is illiterate. How can this be right? I'd happily vote for a government that were willing to review all immigrants to validate their stay, they need to:- Speak & write English Adopt English culture & traditions (yes we do have them) Have a qualification or skill in an area that has a shortage in this country If their country is bad then they need to figure out how to fix it - it can no longer be our problem as we have too many issues ourselves to fix. "How can we help others when we can't help ourselves?"
You clowns all got what you voted for.
And while more and more come in, more and more of or money goes overseas in aid.( £8billion plus last year alone) The only reason Woolas alleges to have listened to the British people is the fact that the British National Party is making vast gains at Liebour expense
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
Hardly rocket science to work this one out is it?
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
The only way that the government can drive down our wage packets and the country remain competitive is to undermine the wage structure by bringing in cheap labour to compete. That is just wage slavery and exploitation, and that is why more and ore underdeveloped countries are allowed to join the EU. When Poland and Portugal have been rebuily using EU money, they will all go home and Turkey will join then we will be flooded with Turks. Who said that slavery was illegal! Only when we get out of the EU,send them home,and force the benefit spongers off the dole and into the jobs the migrants leave, will the balance be restored, you never know, the scroungers might actually retrain and educate themselves to get better jobs too instead of studying what benefits to scrounge next...I want my country back!......You know the one with justice,opportunity and fairness for all, not just those at the top with private schools and healthcare... rule Brittania
Hello!!!! As if we didn't know. How slow can these council dinosaurs be? Now, how many more years do we have to wait for them to actually act on these 'new' findings?
Have they only just realised we are being run by a bunch of clowns aaarrrrggggghhhh hate this country!!!!!
Don't be silly - they stay here and send child nenefit back home where it goes a lot further. I know several (know not know off) immigrant families who claim income support & housing benefit then send some of that money back home to parents and siblings in their origina; country. Then our government borrows money and gets us deeper in debt.
So I take it that we can acknowledge that New Labour's social engineering experiment went a tad wrong then? Where is their "plan B"? Or did they ever have a plan "A"... or an operating brain cell between them.
I know people in South Yorkshire, and in and around Doncaster they have loads of Poles. How much employment is there in Doncaster? Very little. So why are they there?
In other news, Pope confirmed as Catholic.
Zanu Labour hate Britain and British traditions and they have used uncontrolled immigration as a weapon of mass destruction.
Talking about Poles and Eastern Europeans is just a diversion. They represent only about 25% of immigrants coming to this country in the last few years. The majority come from Asia and Africa and never go home but stay. In 2001 Labour opened the floodgates to all and sundry. Immigraton tripled. Net immigration is another diversion, loads of Brits are leaving because of immigration. They want to escape the multi-cultural hell-hole created by Nu Labour for their own self serving interests.
Never mind eh, Tony & Cherie. It's all helping to make this a truly multi-cultural country and rubbing the Right's nose in it just like you wanted. I take it they'll not be the schools and hospitals that you and your buddies in champagne socialist land will be using though?
It's England's immigration boom. 9 out 10 immigrants prefer it England. England, Daily Mail try saying it. We know that Brown and Cameron can't say the word but surely you can?
**MASS IMMIGRATION** Another LIEbore ill thought out success story and Brown thinks we should RE-Elect his usless bunch of Misfits .Still there are 28% bunch of IDOITS still believe in LIEbores Lies and False Promises anybody who votes for LIEbore ever again should seek treatment ASAP .O and i dont get the cold allowance BUT i STILL pay my Taxes to Brown so he can give to everybody else.
Come back to bite you all on the bum has it, not long ago you were all accusing the BNP, of being not only alarmists but racist. You were all promoting the multicultural society of Britain. Now you are saying, we can't afford to finance this influx of immigration,oh dear, no forward thinking or planning from wizards of control now the money is running out. Well you lot started it now you had better get your heads together with,Alan and Boris, the Johnson brothers who want a population of 70 000 000, we don't hear you boys what is happening, are we crumbling under the pressure.........
Let them all in, Liebour, give them all benefits and big houses, and if you completely swamp us there'll be enough to vote you back in. Wasn't this the idea? Gerrymandering? - Surely this must be the worst case in history.
I am sure the elderly lady left in a windowless broom cupboard in a Norfolk hospital recently has a strong opinion on this subject.
they come to the uk and claim child benefit for their children immediately. I am british and have a british daughter, I have always paid uk tax and I still pay full uk tax. I am temporarily abroad and I have had to stop claiming child benefit even though I am still paying uk tax but the immigrants can claim it for their non british children.
"Three quarters of Eastern Europeans have gone home" its just government propaganda to try and pacify the tax paying public/ potential voters. This government could teach Joseph Stalin a thing a or two about propaganda, we are getting it now on a daily basis conjured up by Brown's spin doctors and distributed on their media machine the BBC
New Telephone Greeting: Wouldn't it be amazing, if this caught on, All over the country...? 'GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED KINGDOM ' 'Press '1' if you speak English.' 'Press ''2'' to disconnect until you can
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 I expect your on benefits and can't be bothered about anything Of course it matters. Our country cannot keep on having more and more people living here. what happens when there are more out of work than in work
As recently announced in the press this is all part of the Labour party plan to create client voters drawn from immigrants. Under educated and poor they will help compensenate for the loss of the traditional working class that Labour have depended upon in the past. With teachers weighed down with having to teach children who cannot speak the english language, it will result in not only the immigrants but British children as well falling into the poverty trap, which the Labour Party relies on for voters. This cynical attempt to change the nature of our country will unfortunately result in extremist reactionary groups coming to the fore and again changing the UK from a tolerant to an intolerant society.
hasnt it taken a long time to find out? just think what whizz kids we could have become if we also had one to one tuition. not racist just common sense
Perhaps its time all economic migrants were sent home, it would reduce our social support bills, free up council homes, reduce school places, etc. Labours policy has ruined the UK.
I give up! Its the fall of rome all over again, i warned my colleagues at work in 97. That liebour would mob us out with immigrants to create a global village and thats what they have done, they are trotskyite traitors!
Britain is too much of a soft touch. The Government needs to toughen up on immigation laws otherwise total control will be lost.
'Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point....' At least Gordy can't be remotely accused not being consistent! We've had him claim to have abolished the economic boom and bust: we've had the boom and now have the bust (in the form of the tax hikes and spending cuts to come to pay for that boom)! Now, after the Labour socially engineered immigration boom, we have the bust in the impact on public services and the need to fund the extra costs! Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing?
It appears that Joe Public have been forced into a silent corner and they must not even mention the word "immigration" - with Woolas spouting pure abject spin and waffle, as usual. Enough is more than enough. Did you hear that Woolas - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
Ruth Bagley is completely right. Apparently some astronomical figure like 54% of pupils in Slough primary schools don't have English as their first language. Housing in this area is at a premium. Whether the government acts "ostrich like" or not, this problem will not go away. Slough needs more money to cope.
Just another case of the government pursuing it's own hidden agenda, whilst local authorities and the electorate are ignored over their concerns about the falling quality of life in this country and the reasons why. It will only get worse as public services and funding is cut, and more and more English nationals find themselves out of work and are not paying taxes to support those services which we are constantly being denied whilst watching the queues of the undeserving poor standing with their hands out and getting paid having paid nothing into the system........Only 10 weeks left of these incompetents, just maybe, the voice of the English national will then be heard worldwide, enough is enough....
dont worry everyone im sure the resulting above inflation council tax rise will cover for all the extra people
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care !
Another consequence of Bliar's lies and deception and the bungling of unelected derisory PM Brown. Gorm Gord seriously believes anyone sane would vote for him in a few weeks time? Even diehard, honest socialists must despair of him and his gang of inepts.
When will these labour lunatics stop ALL immigration, round up and deport all illegals and then carefully control the influx?? The answer is never because they are hellbent on destroying the UK or should I say they have succeded in doing so.
This is just what the labour government wanted. Its all part of their Master plan to wreck the country.
My 13 year old son is being home educated because he can't get into any of his 3 choices of secondary school! My husband and I both work full time and pay our taxes and my Grandfather fought in the Second World War but my child can't get into school, I just do not understand what is happening to this once great country!
Where is the money coming from for the new schools, translators, homes, hospitals, etc.? the British taxpayers - of which the people in these towns form part. Who is paying the cost of sending the many children of one immigrant family to school? - not the taxes of the new arrivals. A man with 3 children at school costs £15,000 in school costs alone, not to mention capital build, national health, and use of other facilities. What about all the British people who cannot get a job and are on the dole? Who is paying for them? Do government and councils factor in these costs when they speak of the so-called financial benefits of immigration? Not to mention the social costs and loss of quality of life. It is a myth that immigration is beneficial. On a small scale it can bring small benefits. On a large scale it can only bring problems and distress.
How do Blair/Brown sleep at night. I hope and pray that those who vote in the next election will do so with the utmost care. I have been commenting in this newspaper for quite a few years and I like most saw this coming. We have to act and soon .
700 immigrants every day, No really, how did that happen; and they don't speak English, no really, how did that happen
"The figures are at odds with Home Office Minister Phil WoolasÂ’s claim that immigrants come to Britain to work and then return home, leaving a stable population." Who believes any figures produced by the government anymore!! Hands up all the misguided dupes that do!
Oh dear, more fuel for the BNP. England was built on immigration but our economy cannot stand this. Do we close our borders? Do we ask everyone who came here in the last thirty years to leave? This is a problem we have made for ouselves and no one wants to answer. Thats freedom for you.
Any sensible free thinking person living in this country, already knew this. I do not need anyone to tell me it is more difficult now to see my GP. than ever before. I do not need telling that the roads are overcrowded. It is common knowledge that schools are really stretched to cope properly. What we all need is a government that will listen and take some sort of action to reduce numbers, instead of altering the system and telling us everything is getting better.
Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year. I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice
Numerous parties, from Conservatives to Immigration Watch to the B.N.P etc have voiced concerns about this over the last few years and have been condemned as racists and bigots for using terms like overwhelmed and swamped. It looks as though they were right after all. It can only get worse.
Nice picture. The focus should be on immigration from outside Europe however. Such immigration is entirely the responsibility of the UK government.
welcome to the lefts Babel UK where nothing will work and nobody will belong. time to create a two tier society: people that cant speak English at school should be in seperate basic institutions likewise the Health Service and Social services
Come to England - speak English! We should not waste our well earned money accomodating people who should not be here in the first place. You want translators - pay for them yourself or struugle, If i visit another country I'm expected to conform and learn the language. You want housing work for it like the majority of the British public have to. Rights you have none, if you want them go home and demand them from your owngovernments
The European Union is a load of rubbish economically and immigrationally. I have no problems with people coming over here to live, but now I think it is time to start wihdrawing free health care, free schoolng, free Dhss and free housing to those who want to come over and set up camp as they offer very little to our society. It makes sense, there are thousands if not millions out there who pay their way, pay for private treatment, pay for private schooling, pay for their own homes so why can't those who make a profound decision to come over and live!
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No?
"The Government described the number of languages and dialects spoken by pupils in Reading as 'extraordinary' and conceded that it would place schools under extra pressure." For 'extraordinary' read 'oh dear, we really should have thought this through'. ALL immigration of any form whatsoever is 100% guaranteed to put extra stress on ALL resourses, that's just basic common sense.
WHAT'S NEW !!
Another benefit of the Labour's mulitcultural Britain.
What? I thought they were benefitting our economy, enlightening our lives and generally putting us natives to shame. That's why they're here isn't it?
You cant set budgets if you dont know who it will be for. This govt are criminaly inept; it is reasonable to beleive the left actauly want to destroy our system and culture so they can rebuild a twisted leftist fantasy
it was just a matter of time before the truth came out!!
Suprise Suprise!!!! Just what the rest of us could see five years ago. Still better late than never. Now how about kicking a few out or at least not alowing access to the NHS until 3 years national ins has been paid and no access to school until they can speak english. Because those two items are a massive drain on cash and resource.
Immigration has got to stop NOW!!!
What about the half a million third world immigrants that arrive every year. It far outweighs the effect Polish migrants have on society. Many come with little knowledge of English and large families. Ill say no more.
It is what most of ther country has been saying for a long time and still this govenment has taken No Notice! There are far too many immigrants in our country and they are getting priority on Housing, medical treatment, benefits & schooling all of which is a drain on resources...and is losing our British identity & way of life!
...."Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn." OBVIOUSLY. TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
Did any of the complainers read the article above this one saying about the strain the influx of immigrants have put on healthcare,schools and policing? these are the ones you should be complaining about.
A statement of the bleeding obvious. Anyone who lives in the real UK has known this for years
To say that these 'experts' are connected witheducation it's taken them a long time to figure this one out. Why do we employ these people who can manage to come with the ruddy obvious only after years of struggling and added costs. Do the authorities bury their heads in the sand until they can come up with solution that they were responsible for creating in the first place. It appears that thi situation doesn't stop with the government but is passed doen the ranks like some incurable disease. Even more despair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roll on!
OK - let me start a heated debate. The only party which has any logical answer to this is the BNP Now they are not a racist party after the recent amendments I will be voting for them. Immigration on these levels must stop NOW!
Tell us something we don't know. Another failed Labour policy. Bring on the Election
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I have just driven a round trip across the country, the traffic is horrible and I think this too can be attributed in some part to the additional influx! We are an island and we cannot cope any more. There will be a revolution if this isn't sorted out!
The right of the English to a homeland of our own has been utterly crushed by BOTH mainstream parties. Neither they nor the LidDems, of course, nor UKIP will defend our human right to pass our ancetral land on to our own children. Government in this land has no moral legitimacy.
It's treason of the highest order which demands heads should roll, but of course they won't and that's why my family will vote BNP!
Tell us something we dont know. This is only the tip of the iceberg. stop the influx of imigrants and stop it now. get rid of the ones that have no entitlement to be here. Job sorted in a nutshell.
They just would'nt listen. What now?
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out.
Not just 3 councils, all councils and services are under pressure. A friend works as a dental nurse she said that immigants arrive in a group, demand urgent treatment and do not pay anything. Whereas people who work, pay taxes etc. have to pay fortunes to get their teeth fixed or like a lot of pensioners have them rot because they cannot afford to have them treated. £800 for a filling and a crown is a lot of money out of just over £5k a year pension.
No spoken english..........no school. No sponsor or job............no entry Not contributing after six months benefits..............removed from UK. The great social experiment is over and it is a failure, now it is time to toughen up on who we allow into this country and those that stay but will not embrace our way of living are removed back to their homeland.
Really! You surprise me!!! NOT!!!
really! another victory for the clown.
Thanks Labour!
I understand the concerns of any council who have a large influx of immigrants. It is wrong though to bunch all in one group as the major problem is not immigration but more immigrants who cannot or will not fully integrate into mainstream British culture. Poles may cause problems regarding jobs etc but we know they will integrate and also that they are from within the EC anyway. This country must have the courage to say this and not to feel as if they are fascist or racist . West Indians will integrate as there are only minor culture clashes which disappear within a generation or so. We must have the freedom to start saying it as it is. At the moment we cannot and if we try our voices will not be allowed to be heard.
I love this mad world!
blame labour yet again. it was obvious from the start that with an open door policy we would be inundated with immigrants. perhaps if we stopped supplying a translation service it would help. for instance i would not think of retiring to spain unless i could speak spanish.
There is a real simple solution to both of our common problems. Seal borders, and stop benefits. It is not rocket science folks. Without benefits and jobs they will not want to come, and seal the borders for those who come illegally. Watch the budgets get better magically. Sorry, but our countries cannot simply hold the entire world populations within out borders, it is physically impossible, our infrastructures, our service agencies, etc. California has paid 630 million dollars we needed to fix our infrastructure and schools to teach English to those who come here who will not pay themselves to learn it. Sound reasonable? No, since we the taxpayers have to provide everything for everyone. There is not enough money to go around folks, stop them coming, make it unattractive to come, i.e., no jobs, no benefits, and seal the borders. Period.
Will they never learn something has to burst a small over populated country can't continue with mass immigration. But Clegg, Cameron and Brown want it to continue.
just keep voting LiblabCon. we all know this story can not be true do we not ? Get us out of the EU someone !
Perhaps Teflon Tone and his money grabbing wife can take a few of these "deserving" cases into one of their properties and care for them.
How can they be short of money for services after all immigrants are supposed to be adding to our national wealth?
Anyone with half a brain (which doesn't include our politicions) knew this would happen, a small price to pay for votes, just destroy our country. I'm just waiting for civil war to break out. There is only so much people will take before they snap.
" Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point " TELL US SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW !!
It's an absolute, thorough, complete and utter DISGRACE. This isn't telling the ordinary British born and bred man and woman, both middle and working class, anything they didn't already know and indeed have known for years now. BNP - sorry it's the only answer and I wish more people would wake up to the fact.
But this is what New Labour wanted, a new Country. And this is what the voters wanted who put New Labour there.
Obviously these town hall chiefs haven't read about all the economic benefits migrants bring to the country. They really do need to get on side or else people might start thinking that all this talk about our our culture being enriched both financially and aesthetically by immigration might just be a cartload of liberal/left horse manure. And we wouldn't want that to happen now would we?
Time to end immigration then. We've been saying it for years, but will the government, or the opposition listen? No they will not.
While the councils said they welcomed the boost to their economies provided by immigration, they have called for the Government to increase their grants to reflect their true populations. If they are a boost to their economies why should they be asking for MORE money? The truth is they are NOT a boost to their economies.
YEAH AND YOU DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS..... WHO HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME.....
JUST HAVE TO VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
This is the Labour Party's legacy. All the main parties are committed to the status quo, only UKIP seem to be willing to make a change.
Why have these people been put through the ATOS system? this government put the elderly, terminally ill the disabled through one hell of a farcical process to asses their eligibility for benefits most had to go to appeal as the Health Care Professionals where given a financial inducement to fail a given number, yet these people trawl into the u.k....supplied with translators, benefits clearly explained, forms filled out for them, no:1 priority for housing.......... Where's the English people help in all this??? ask I.D.S. + Company. RED ARROW THIS DM YOU WONT/DONT LIKE PRINTING THE TRUTH.
This is why our country is on its knees.Vote U.K.I.P its the only way to get our country back.
Cheers Tone. Thanks for nothing.
NOTE.... The Australians do not cost much.... and it is now so hard for Australians to move to the UK....BUT former axis enemies can just waltz in and get every conceivable benefit there is. MMmmmmm who won the war? mmmm.
UKIP VOTE UKIP How worse can it BE? This story makes me spit blood
The bottom line is this,,,,, We are getting screwed and the people who are responsible for doing it are our own politicians. If you want to stop being shafted then vote for new politicians or it will continue as the present lot really don't care.
Our only hope is UKIP this is getting out of hand can't wait for the next election day Nigel your defo getting my vote.
Are you reading this Jamie Oliver?
I'm born and bred in England and have to prove i earn 18,600 to bring my Canadian wife here...so two non Brits have more rights than me it seems in my own country...all wrong
Does this mean that my £23 a week pension is all that I get after working all those years in England??? Maybe I should become a benefits tourist and see if it improves.
I am a Brit, born and bred. Worked all my life until 6 years ago, some 35 years paying all taxes and NI. Left the UK for some sunshine, but chose not to stay in Europe. End result? If I come home, which I may have to if the Middle East does not calm down (and I do not have a regular salary tax free), if I am forced to return to the UK, I can get no benefits at all! None, no job seekers, no housing benefit, no free health care, I cannot even see a GP without having to pay privately. I am a Brit, fully paid up and reports like this really get to me! It explains why every time I get a bit nearer pension age, they increase it.
When I moved to France, I had to produce bank statements and documentation to show that I was self supporting...why does the UK not do this????????
This hurts me!!! It cuts my vain!
Too easy for them - make them pay their own way or get out,
What on earth can we do to get these so called political idiots to LISTEN to us, The people are crying out to be heard, Nobody is listening, SO to get our voice heard, VOTE U.K.I P. I cannot see any other way, They are our only chance to change BRITAIN..
Go to Woodgreen it's full of them
Time to start the big reversal
More leeches to include on your Tax Returns under 'DEPENDENTS'!
Change the free movement rules if a citizen of another country claims benefits or healthcare from here or a different country that country can claim the money back from the country they are from. Would save billions.
Yes but the bring so much from their country to ours! Mainly it's their debt. We need to get out of the EU and start getting this country back to how it was before they were letting any poor member of the club in.
Nigel Farage is one of the few politicians that are right about Syria,benifits and the EU I reckon it will be only a matter of time before UKIP is the third largest party in the UK
GET THEM OUT!
Anyone not voting UKIP next chance?
WELL DONE LABOUR..
KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU
Keep up the good work Dave, your playing right into Nigels hands, he and his party are getting closer to governing our country with every decision you make.
In the end those of who work will be starving in order to feed those who live off us. Never, in the history of our nation, has such cruelty been perpetrated against the British people. God help us.
Soon you will turn into Canada where we are taxed to death!!!!! This is all to the people that move to a country that has good social benefits like being paid money for having children. These people move and just sit and live for free while the hard working class pays for their life long vacation. Not to mention their population grows, they try to change the societies rules and spread their religion!!! I hope your government is different than ours!
some of u are saying the Syrian chemical attack is propaganda, then I guess this story is too.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
This has been going on for years now and nothing is done. Forget Syria and Ian and tackle the real problems that the normal englishman has to endure every day. We arer eally not as generous and soft as david would like us to be.
"I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life." - sorry to rubbish this comment but my friend has lived in Spain for 30 years and with regard to the benefits system there this isn't true. Firstly you are expected to pay into their system for 5 years. If you are made redundant, by law the company has to give you 2 years salary as a payoff. You then get unemployment benefit for up to 2 years if you have made 5 years contributions, after that you are on your own. No job and you don't eat, it's as simple as that. My friend was made redundant 3 years ago and used his redundancy money to start a language school when his dole ran out. He is English and cannot believe how easy the benefits system is over here, his partner's husband left her with a 14 month old baby and she told me there are virtually NO benefits for single mothers in Spain so she had no option but to go back to work.
It needs to be taken out of MPs salaries, not the rest of us poor peoples!!!
So the scrounger rhetoric and attacks on disabled benefits was done out of ignorance of true facts, wonderful. I hope the govt intend to apologise to those whose lives they have severely had an impact on with their propoganda. Nothing like the truth is there.
Forget UKIP. They are a load of wimps. Be PROUD of your beliefs and vote for that other ultra-right wing party.
Keep paying suckers, I had enough and emigrated years ago!
It will have doubled by the end of next year. The UK has become the world's dustbin. Time for action.
Sink the ship.
Is it any wonder,the country is in such a mess?It isn't just Benefits,the largess covers:Housing,education,NHS,GPs,Social Services etc,etc,and we have more to come in 2014.Happy New Year.
why not give them benefits equal to what they would revieve in their own country and recoup from that said country?
41% in 5 years..peanuts ! compared what it will be in the NEXT year.
only in this pathetic, useless cowardly nation can this abuse happen. No wonder everyone laughs at us. Cameron needs to concentrate on this rather than Syria
Does anyone know how these EU treaties work? Is it possible for unemployed British people to go to Germany or Denmark for example and get benefits there? They would be a lot higher there but have not heard of anyone doing it. Surely if we have to pay benefits to EU citizens here, UK citizens would be able to get benefits in EU countries.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27 I am sure you are a nice, charming, simple person, but your ignorant simplicity is beyond belief.
This is out of control, when will someone have the balls to do something about it.
AND TO THINK THAT DAVIE BOY WANTS TO SOLVE SYRIA'S PROBLEMS WHEN HE CANNOT SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF THIS COUNTRY - ROLL ON UKIP
VOTE NIGEL, VOTE UKIP, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Just why are we supporting these people, we must be the only country in the world you can arrive in and be given handouts. The welfare state was never meant to be abused in this way. Is there no one in government who has the backbone to stop it?
are we just going to sit back and take this ??
Is either the EU or the NHS being Privitised. I know that I want!
Come on Conservatives! You keep complaining about what Labour did to the country, but you've barely done anything to fix it.
Utter madness, it is because of such things that I vote UKIP, because they will put a stop to this madness, so come on people, vote UKIP..!!!
You have two choices in 2015: Vote UKIP or, get more of this. That is it.
Absolutely shocking that we have stooped so low as to be the dumping ground of the world. We have to bring down this government and get Nigel Farage to sort things out. No-one else will do it.
Why do we let them in if they can't support themselves? And why is our government such a pathetic soft touch?
Totally fed up with facts like this. Anyone else?
We all knew this didn't we......That's why we are backing UKIP.....
YEAH AND ALL BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME..... TREAT THEM THE SAME!
I'm an ex pat living in Canada who worked in the UK for many years. My pension that I paid into is frozen and will never increase as pensioners in the UK , USA , and EU countries get their increases. However it irks me to read just how many non UK nationals get millions in benefits and have never contributed to the system. I'm hurt and confused by such crazy double standards that doesn't allow ex pats in commonwealth countries the same benefits as those in other countries, or even those with no ties to the UK! I feel like a second class Brit! Homesick Vancouver Island
i am simply FEDUP. both my husband and i have worked full time for some 30-40 years, but when he was made redundant in his early 60s, other than 6 months of jobseekers allowance, we have not been able to get any help at all as we have been careful and paid for our house and i have my pension!? when will it be more fair, that those who have paid into the system should benefit not all and sundry who are just benefits tourists...
Perhaps Jamie Oliver could employ them all
I know of an Italian man ,who went to the UK 10 years ago, worked for a few months, and gave up working to travel around the country living with men he had met on the internet, and sometimes even going abroad to live with them for short periods .He isn't working, and in the past only has kept down jobs for very short periods of time. He gets unemployment pay, free healthcare and housing allowance, even though he lives with a "partner" who is a house owner. Would UK citizens get these payments if they decided they would like to live in Italy ??
MADNESS _ The only ones who have the answer to it are UKIP
I think we are being well and truly shafted, with the consent and endorsement of our own politicians.
stand by for tax increases and fuel tax to go up to pay for this and the syrian madness.
Everyone, come to Britain and get a FREE HOLIDAY! All you have to do, is turn up, and when you run out of money, they will give you accommodation, food and spending money. For as long as you want.
When will somebody put a stop to this madness? If Cameron put as much time and effort into dealing with this monumental problem as he does into gathering support for his attacks on Syria, then maybe the British public would be happier!
The British government is too spineless to stand up for this country in case anyone is offended. Why can't they remember that they were elected to fight for what's best for Britain, not for what's best for those who want to come here.
So much for cracking down on benefit seekers. The only thing that will save the UK is a revolution and mass hanging of politicos.
Well we're all to blame for this for just sitting back and sulking about it as it's easier than marching every day. British grit yeah right!!
the end is nigh
The USA is the land of the free the UK is the land of the freebee.
Oh but remember the rhetoric "they're good for the country" my question is Which Country???
Margaret Thatcher's infamous 1978 statement that Britain was ¿being swamped by alien cultures¿. 1978!!!! the warning signs were there almost 40 years ago!
We have to stop this migration. And we need real politicians who are prepared to do that and defy these ill-considered EU diktats.
As a pensioner [ war pensioner at that ] I could see it coming, and that prat wants to get us involved in Syria, give me strength. Please,please vote UKIP and so get us out of the EU and Convention of Human Rights, I've only got a few more years, but at least I feel I would die free as I was born free. gizzie vote UKIP
The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians . - Beth , Kent, 29/8/2013 Third rate? You rate them too highly.
Vote UKIP
RE.....This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!! - paulsmith , sheffield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 ...........Actually Paul they've ignored us for so long now I believe it's our only option. I class myself as a decent person but my forefathers fought and died for this country and their will be nothing left for my child so I feel rioting is our only way forward.
No-one should be able to claim benefits until they have contributed for a minimum of 1 year.
Utter and total madness. Where will it all end? When we are completely bankrupt.
Same happening anywhere else in western Europe, only option, close borders again, it can't happen quick enough. 2014 will be even worse...
No British passport = no benefit, simple as that
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership.
I dare not write my comment
Government has made it too easy to apply for benefits, no wonder the country is struggling. They need to get independent assessors involved. Even the job centre gives out advice telling them to go to the doctor with some pain to get a sick note. Its fully known, that people from the EU come and get the benefits and spend most of their time back in their own country but getting hand outs from here. There is no stamping of the passport for entry and leaving the country either, therefore it is not known whether they are actually in the country or not. Unfortunately this reflects badly on the people who are from the EU who genuinely want to work.
This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!!
And the vast majority will have never contributed a penny....................
Marek, 12:47 = Correct.
one thing for sure DAVE will not tackle the problem U K I P will
EU workers are coming in truck loads every day and that guy in charge is busy preparing for a war, what a joke!
Reports like this drive me mad We have worked hard all our lives and now in retirement still pay taxes because we saved for our old age. Our children have always worked and are now struggling to educate their children at university and yet these people can come here and get and expect handouts. The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians .
Steve, 12:38 = Or like me its their day off, maybe you have no job after all look at the time you posted.
what is asia and middle east? show them under separate category as they are in no way related
We all know that it's wrong so why don't the government do something about it?
Sooo this we know but what is the government doing about it?? Never mind Syria this should take president!!
vote UKIP, split the Tory vote and let Labour back in? You got to be joking. Labour created this mess to start with
What is the saying about, "Shutting the stable door ?", the UK's should have been locked before the EU opened it.
VOTE UKIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they come here; they breed adding work to the NHS; claim child benefits....then their children are British...clever isn't it...doesn't take a lot to work out the logic
400,000 doesnt sound a lot right? Check this out. Quick Calc per year - assuming each are jobless for one year. 400,000 people x £56 pw per person x 4.4 weeks in a month (average) = £1176 million a year job seekers + housing benefit of at least £400 (pp average) = 160 million tax credits £150 each child (say 2) £1440 million + lack of tax as they wont be working = £1000 (a conservative guess) = £400 million + Use of NHS, Doctors, Schools = 10-30k each = 12,000 million = £15,000 Million , or £15 billion wasted on nothing but unwanted unskilled workers? All for skilled labor, but we cant even train our own youth. I need to say no more. Simple as this - No contributing, no taking. Stay here for 5 years a minimum before even claiming the most basic of allowances. We are not the Homeless Hostel of Europe. We ned to protect ourselves against our own goverment, and the EU. I think i speak for everybody here!!
Tell us something we don't already know!!
Absolutely disgusting, get them out .................. vote UKIP
Not long before Brits are a minority
AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
@ 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published beca
It's easy..... UKIP. Fours letters!
Must be the only country in the world that welcomes anyone in without a job or savings and have more rights than a Brit .... I'm British and have to prove income of 18,600 to have my Canadian wife here
Here we go again; the same old story. You'd think a democratically elected government would, say on behalf of the citizens that vote and keep them in their jobs, ensure that nobody is allowed to settle here unless they are able to support themselves and would have to consequently sign a document understanding that no benefits are payable for 10 years. If a government is there on behalf of the taxpayers then what's the problem. My guess is they've got themselves tied up in human rights laws of which they did'nt have a clue about in the first place.I wonder, sometimes, what really is the point of voting.
Let Jamie Oliver take them on he seems to like employing them.
VOTE UKIP!!!
ONE ANSWER, UKIP
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.- Alex, Mansfield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:28.........People in need that can afford weapons are not starving. They just need to get their priorities right.
The figures does not include the child related benefits for non-resident children living in Eastern Europe. To speed up the payments the last Liebour government paid these benefits into Bank Accounts in Eastern Europe without verification because the checking system was returning blanks or taking far too long.
We need to wake up, we are in a decent into poverty we cant even imagine, look at japan 10.5 trillion in debt and that country could go under at any time taking everything with it, look at boston look at california, look on you tube, do your research.... This will not end well and our governments are just trying to hide the reality.. Vote with your feet avoid places that use a labour force you don''t approve of, I need a dentist but cant find an English one, I refuse to use anyone else.. I only support English workers.. If you don't like the banking system use it to pay the bills and take every other penny out, get a safe, make your mark before its to late although I believe it already is....
Whilst punishing our OWN.
Don't how they come here and claim , my wife is Canadian and we have to prove I work with income 18,600.... I must be doing something wrong
Who is this headline not 500.000 FORIGN scroungers shirkers and idle layabouts not the headline here?
Chuck them all out.
£1,000,000,000 / 400,000 = £2,500 and NOT £480,000! So BILLIONS is quite possible Dave HULL 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper. - Lisa, Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56
Come the next general election most people will still vote for the party's responsible for this and doing nothing about it. How many of those having a moan are still going to vote lib/lab/con? you vote for these politicians so blame yourself , or do something about it and VOTE UKIP.
THis is where the Government should be making there cuts, Not punishing its own people to pay for people that have no right to take out money in benefits. Thats why they all flock here there thousands. Free ride and they dont even have to work who wouldnt do it.
Don't forget the big issue sellers who class themselves as self employed so they can get into the UK in the first place.
LUNACY
Dear left, Up yours for running this country into the ground, I live in hope the revolution is just around the corner.
I don't think people understand! This political system is in place to destroy the UK. I know its hard to believe or get your head round it, but just what has and is happening to our country. YOU HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY!
When the dust settles on the Syria issue, this story needs to be headline news. Labour need a good "bashing" on this issue and Cameron needs to explain what he has been doing for the last 3 years! I call on Godfrey Bloom to make a "colourful comment" to bring the issue to the public attention!
I am from Eastern Europe and I totally get why you British get angry. It's way too easy to get benefits in the UK. I met people who who came here just to apply for benefits and now live a great life back in their countries getting money from the UK. I really hope that the UK government sorts this out. It's not fair!!!
We need to stop paying benefits to new arrivals and make sure that they have paid into the system for 2 years before we start paying benefits.
Thats between £50-£70 being spent each week on these people. This could have so many of OUR people who are dying of thirst in hospitals. Hire a few extra staff, pay for more police men on our streets to make it safer.
So it turns out the "old" Westen Europe draws way more benefits from the UK than Easten Europe and there's never a word about them, oh I forgot, they are a better class of people.
Can anybody tell me, what other countries, anywhere in the world, pays out non-contributory benefits? I think that the answer id NONE!
What is so difficult about just turrning the clock back - and everything with it - to pre EU?
I just hope to NEVER again see the day that Labour are back in power being the catalyst for all this migration in the first place
LEAVE EU NOW!
I think if you are applying for benefits within a year of arriving you should be given a one way ticket home not benefits for the next x years.
I wish I could wind back the clock , not ever worked paid tax or had my own home .... if only I had known ...
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here. - hammy, Ayr, 29/8/2013 12:32 Interesting! Where do you live??
'How are they allowed to settle in this country with not job or means of support'. Ask your LIEBOR party, they are the ones who signed up to this, not to mention the EU Human Rights Bill. 'Teflon' Tony's Legacy. You have noticed he DOESN'T live in this country now HE, screwed it up.
the only power in politics the working class has is the vote, remember this when it comes next.
These anti-welfare comments were written during working hours, which means the people commenting haven't got a job, or have got a job but have such a poor work ethic they would rather waste time surfing the net.
Why not make the process of signing onerous on the recipient with randomly generated appointments (via SMS) that requires a recipient to attend an interview within 60 mins, 3 non-shows and no benefits. We have to get tough with the process it is not an endless pit of money!
UKIP
man up someone sort this mess out !!!! it will only get worse ..... help Nigel help !
i could rant on but gets me het up worked since 15 and still wating for my pension
in germany you would not grant the citizenship if you ever claimed . all other europeans coutries only pay benefit for 6 months so why britain is different than the other EU. its not their (claimants ) fault if British like to handout generously and its not illegal so what is the big fuss about
I quiet fancy 10 days in 'others and unknown'........must pop down to the jobless centre and see what they can cobble together !!
Well underestimated, like all Government figures.... we need the money to Bomb Syria back to the stoneage.... Oh they want to live in stoneage, sorry
Read Richard Littlejohn's advice to John Redwood when he was after the leadership all those years ago.That would win ANY election.
And more and more are arriving..Meanwhile hospitals and A and E units are closing, takes two weeks to get an appointment to see a GP(outrageous!!), waiting at A and E is in excess of 5 hours and soon they will be closing, hospital car parking is ridiculously expensive....etc etc...and war is on the horizon....politicians and leaders have a lot to answer for....and the electorate keep voting them in again and again....I will vote UKIP.. They can't be any worse.
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here.
@PMC Incapacity Benefit is indeed means-tested, but it has been abolished and replaced by ESA, which can be contributory or non-contributory.
This government and the last have made a right mess, ruined our way of life, its disgusting what they have done to us, that is why from now own I will always vote UKIP
I wonder of I went to live on another country, lets say Spain...... Would I be entitled to any benefits or housing?! Hmmmm I'm thinking probably not!
As I know, all the people claimed for any kinds of benefits need to check them legal identity and qualify for the benefit system accepted, otherwise it will decline automatically. I think it's not right to criticize anyone or government, because the benefit system set up must be approved and followed by law legally.
It is staggering how this situation has been allowed to develop. This should be headline news, not risking further loss of British lives in areas that don't and will never want us and our form of democracy. Remove from the UK anyone who has entered the UK in the last 50 years and not paid in or cannot prove they have benefited the country in some meaningful way.
I wish I had never worked or paid tax or NI that's a bloody fact!
think all eyes will be on you mr farage to sort out the stupidity of the other 3 parties that have failed there country.
Look on the bright side. If every single one of them is on benefits, they can't be taking any of our jobs.
if you get more sitting home why work ?
Put private investigators in charge of looking for anyone working in the offices of these government departments helping the many get benefits that shouldn't even be in the country.
Yet my disable wife with 3 major back operations, living on a cocktail of drugs, who hasn't slept a full night for twenty years because of the pains gets not a penny even though she has worked since leaving school 35 years ago. What a sh*/te country.
athaidream , Don Mueang-Bangkok, 29/8/2013 11:51.....You can not blame Labour (it is still happening under the Conservatives) As hondonroy , alicante, Spain, 29/8/2013 11:57 points out neither can you blame the EU as Spain is in the EU and will not pay benefit to anyone who has not contributed to the System !
well if your govt keeps giving it like candy, it will be taken...like candy! I feel sorry for you Brits!
NOBODY should be allowed to come in from another country and claim UK benefits/taxes, no debate end of story.
Incapacity benefit is only payable to people who have been in work and paid their NI contributions. Same for contribution-related JSA. If they've worked and paid their stamps, they are as entitled as anyone else and it's not a "handout". Half the story as usual from the DM.
How come NON EU citizens get benefits?..seems to be a come one, come all get your free money here.
The truth is our Country is near bankrupt ,we do not have the money for this,but the political establishment is so far out of touch with reality as to be a danger to every Man/Woman/Child in our Country,the Con/Lab/Lib are unfit for purpose,the only hope left is UKIP.!!!
Thanks again Tony, for destroying this country. Your legacy ' to change the social structure of the country' lives on......how can you sleep at night?
surprise surprise, no sign of this story on the BBC!
How and why were they allowed to settle in this country if they have no job or means of support?
we would not get anything in their country, one day this country may be ruled by British people FOR British people instead of making us live by other countries rules that accommodate what seems like everyone except us .... and don't get me started on the joke that is called British Law....
and the government seems quite happy for this ROBBERY to continue.this and the tax avoidance from companies is destroying the living standards of the british because of the tax burden that only they pay . its a national disgrace and only UKIP will do anything to stop it.
the truth is out they are scroungers
Yawn. It's a lovely day. A nice pub lunch is called for. Wonder if that good-looking, polite, hard-working, always cheerful "newcomer" barmaid will be working today.
Surprise surprise!! We all knew this was coming but the government was in denial.
time to scrap all welfare payments
Why weren't we consulted.....its...OUR..bloody money they are giving away.
Personaly I think if you come to this country in any shape form or way you shouldn't be entiled to claime for the first at least four years, If you come here either have enough money to support yourself saved OR have a garantour in this country like Australia do , I also don't just mean beneifits I think this should apply to medical, school etc..
Really!! Well knock me down with a feather
can't wait to get to Britain with my 26 kids
Absolutely disgusting.
It depends what benefits we are talking about here - eg housing benefit, tax credits for working people and so on. After all only 3% of the total benefit bill goes on the full time unemployed. Most people who claim some form of benefits are actually in work, but low paid. And besides, there are very strict criteria for benefit entitlement. So: this is needless scaremongering, effectively propaganda.
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win. - Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53 ------- Wrong Steve, the Tory voters are too stupid to realise that they will split the UKIP vote and let Labour win.
More good (not!!) and possibly related news: "Net migration to the UK increased in the year ending December 2012, the Office for National Statistics says.Latest figures show net migration rose to 176,000 - up from 153,000 people in the year to September 2012". --BBC News Online.
Vote UKIP.mnot going to post a comment I because DM never print itf freedom of speech is now gone.
I live in Spain and I can tell you that you CANNOT CLAIM ANY MONEY from the state if you have not got a job or you are incapacitated unless you have PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and that's a FACT.So all you MP'S get off your LAZY BACKSIDES do your job properly, keep out of the commons bars and EARN your keep or believe me you will REAP what you SOW at the next election if the BRITISH PUBLIC have got any B**LS.
On pay day I may as well just open my window, take most of my pay, and throw it outside.
Aren't 99.99% of Brits on benefits?
This is not your money Cameron! Its us tax payers
I hope those who voted LibLabCon aren't complaining
UKIP PLEASE end this madness. Clearly Cons and Leibor cant.
UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! There is no other way!!
DM, why is this not headline news? This should be on the front page of EVERY paper, not in page 5 etc. Come on DM lets get this debate in parliament going, lets get the politicians talking about this, and explaining to the british people what they are gonna do about it?
This is something more important that's needing sorted out, rather than trying to start up yet another war! Priorities?
Would all Labour voters please put their hands up and identify themselves as being the people top blame for this farcical situation. NO benefits until you have lived in the UK and paid tax and NI for at least 5 years,NO exceptions.
IfCameron can find the zip to get his warmongering camouflage off - - there is work to be done little fella. Get on with it or resign.
How politicians can sleep i don't know. This utter madness ha got to stop.....UKIP UKIP UKIP!
stop housing and free nhs and stop benefits to these scroungers,i resent my taxes paying these people
When I sponsored my husband for his spouse visa 13 years ago he got a great big stamp in his passport which said "NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS" and my son is presently sponsoring his wife for a spouse visa and he has to prove that he can support her and has suitable housing for her so she will not need to claim benefits (which she does not want to do anyhow) How come all these people can even get benefits?? Seems one rule for one and one for another...
TIME WE GOT OUT OF THE EU DONT YA THINK? STUPID IDEA GOING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TONY BLAIR N HIS ILK HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR THATS FOR SURE. THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THESE ALIENS COMING INTO A COUNTRY THAT CAN ILL AFFORD BENEFITS FOR OUR OWN PENSIONERS ETC. TIME FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AS WELL, VOTE UKIP, SEE HOW THEY GET ON, HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN CAMERHOLIDAYEVERYWEEKON.
I could never understand why countries were still lining up to join the EU when it seemed to be such a train wreck. Now it becomes crystal clear what the 'benefits' of membership are...........
And these people get exactly the most they can get because they have translators who know how the system works. A British person has to fill in the form their self so they get more then you as we have no one to help us who know how to work the system.
lib/lab/con not fit for purpose. time for change. vote DOPE Death Of Political Elite
stop all benefits for people who were not born here.
Makes me sick... Thats all
Nobody pay benfits just like that, you must prove you are resident. DM article is pure twaddle as usual.
I think we should give them even more money so they can buy houses/flats and then eventually find jobs, This is the only way the economy will grow.
Jamie Oliver has vacancies. Minimum wage and all the scraps you can eat. Non Britons preferred.
This I think you'll probably find is the real reason the welfare state is failing , time now for IDS to stop his one man crusade against the sick and disabled of the country and started addressing this problem instead.
so now the truth is out they come here to scrounge
Like that's a suprise?
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - GrahamC, Dorset, 29/8/2013 6:14... When people stop voting for CON/LAB/LIB idiots.. Only then do we stand a chance of saving this once Great Country.
Years ago you had to have paid into the system for at least one year to qualify for any benefit . My brother was ill and tried to claim because he couldn't work, mum was told that he was her responsibility as he didn't have enough stamps, she only received £4.50 a week widows pension - the rates on the house were £5.00 per week. So, how come these people can claim anyway .
"400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.- Lisa , Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56">>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.............Lisa.......... I take it maths wasn't your strong suit in School? 400,000 people each receiving say £10,000 a year would be £4 billion. to quote you:-" Shame on you!"
If you or your parents haven't paid IN then you should get nothing OUT. End of.
And here is me struggling to pay childcare for my son. Unbelievable!
And Mr Carney says that interests rates wont rise until unemployment is at a sensible level well with millions coming here each year the you can say goodbye to any reasonale interest rates as the new comers are all unemployed thats why they get benefits.
VOTE UKIP
Lisa , Rochdale ........do your maths again , a billion these days is one thousand million. Just put a paltry three zeros on 400,000 and see what you get .
Time we had decent government, someone who will listen to the people, enough is enough. Politicians like Boris would bring loads more if he could. Totally mad!
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now - george , cornwall, 29/8/2013 10:55 ------ Sadly true my friend.
LEECHES, they have Contributed NOTHING, yet they expect EVERYTHING. VOTE UKIP and End this Madness.
Outrageous and should be addressed urgently. What right do these people think they have to funding by our own taxpayers. A total disgrace.
No surprises there then! It's all SO predictable. Mass migration on the scale allowed by Labour was bound to lead to this because UK benefits are SO generous and easily available. UKIP is the only answer now.....
One word - "OUTRAGEOUS!"
SORT THIS PROBLEM OUT-NOT SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple vote UKIP these traitors will never get my vote again!
So our pensioners who have worked and dutifully paid their taxes will be surviving on a pittance whilst people with no ties to the country will receive benefits greater than our pensioners. Our once great and fair country has been destroyed by self serving traitorous politicians who do not give one jot for the people.
Until 3 years ago I was under the impression, along with millions of other women, that I would be receiving my state pension at 60. I must now wait until I am 66 despite the fact that at 60 I shall have 41 years of NI contributions. For a full state pension, 35 years is required. Why then, must people in my situation have to carry on for another 6 years to qualify? At this rate the workers will never get their pension as it will have all gone to the increasing numbers of people coming in.
If I were an employer I would have to pay a heavy penalty if they found out that I employed people with no right to work here, but by the same token my corporation tax has increased in order to support these people. It looks like either way an employer is always at a disadvantage.
Shut the gates now!!! and anyone who's moved here in the last 3 years - even those who've had families need to go back to their own country. It's the only solution.
I trust IDS will get to the bottom of this but we must back him.
So now we know where all the benefits are going.They say the British are benefit scroungers, here is proof.
We should ask all of them to help us fight wars see how quick they leave mate !!
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 (Not 480,000) a year for it to be 1 billion ... where did you go to school?
how about giving them the same benefits they would recieve from their own country, and 'claim' from the said country. When one complains, you can argue that they ae not being persecuted in this country!
I find it rather difficult to believe these figures reason being, to the best of my knowledge, you'll need to have an indefinite stay to claim whatever benefits. Otherwise, your visa clearly states 'No recourse to public funds'. So how do these ones get these said benefits they aren't entitled to? I was on maternity leave for 9 months and didn't collect a penny from the government. Simply because my visa says no recourse to public funds ! I have NEVER claimed a dime from whatever source either cos I know I'm not entitled to them. So where do all these come from? How do pple who aren't eligible get them? I think you lot should be asking the authority some real questions. Sorry for the long post.
People voted for Politicians, but please do the right choice again voting with your eyes open widely!
I thought they were all hard working, more so than people in the UK apparently (according to the DM and it's majority readership) and were prepared to do any job for peanuts that was being refused by the British? Don't believe the media people, we all know the truth, we can see it for ourselves because there are thousands of them hanging about in city centres all day long.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
I understand people who live within the EU can claim benefits, but why are people from the rest of the world? I thought if you were outside the EU then you could not claim benefits? THAT is outrageous.
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 a year for it to be 1 billion... where did you go to school?
This is the real problem, not civil servants who contribute getting a half decent pension after working for over 45 years.
SEND ALL OF THEM TO JAMIE OLIVER HE WILL GIVE THEM A JOB, PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thanks Tony Blair.
I think the handful of people who actually go out to work in the UK should group together and leave the UK for 5 years. During this time the benefits will dry up completely as will the dole dossers main food sources, ie McDonalds and supermarket ready meals. We can then come back and start a fresh, building an enormous fence along the full length of our southern border to stop any more beggars coming in and trying to milk us dry.
Welcome to the U.K. the dustbin of Europe EU send all your crap here we love them.
Given their privileged upbringings, our govt members should take advice from us. They have no idea what to do and no experience of life on low wages, etc. I like your ideas Mark R. Whatever is done, it has to be seen to be fair across all inhabitants of the UK. I'd also go so far as to suggest removing a lot of cash benefits payments from people deemed able to work, but who choose not to. There should be a different name for JSA for people who've lost their jobs (which they were in for a specific amount of time - not days) and they could receive cash benefits for a specific time period, while they look for more work. But, others who've not contributed to UK and choose the benefits lifestyle, well they should be on a scheme that involves other methods of receiving support, e.g. JSS (Job Seeker's Support): help with accommodation, clothes and food parcels, etc. Ppl on high long term benefits, including WFTC often have the same or more than a lot of average (or close to) wage earners.
Awesome, just awesome... That's all!!
In America this is an industry, taxpayers, those that actually have real jobs and pay real taxes are so broke they can barely afford toliet paper. But not so for the illegals flocking here to strike it rich at the government teat. And these are the new democrat voters.
This is no surprise, as normal people have seen this going on for years, why do you think they still keep coming in to our country. And more will still be coming. We are the tax payer paying for these parasites, what do we do? nothing. And I am one of them. I am so annoyed as to what's happening to my country, I just wish we proper English people got together, and stop this madness happening.
My father is 64 and has worked all his life until a couple of years ago when he took early retirement due to severe arthritis, he lives off his private pension yet he had to go to a meeting recently to explain why he wasn't contributing to society, this is because his NI contributions are being paid for him even though he has worked more than his 30 yrs worth, unbelievable, they seem to go after the wrong people
Sort this lot out now and get tough they are not here for the weather !!! this country has become a joke the trouble is and I quote "I am not laughing "
The government could do something about it if they wanted to but they don't. Remember, Cameron is the self-proclaimed (or rather self-confessed) heir to BLiar, whose government's aim was to bring this country down. Nobody could be so inept or stupid as to do what they've been doing to the country over such a long period without it being their intention.
Really???? Who'd have thought it?????!!!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!
Is that why British people won't get a state pension until they are over sixty seven if born after 1953. I have worked and studied and paid for for a degree whilst I worked and now I will be forced to toil until I am dropping, ditto everyone else. What do we do if we lose our job, sign on the dole at sixty five?
Not long before the whole pack of cards come tumbling down, any British taxpayer should be very concerned about this figure, this is unsustainable in the extreme.
And it will just go on Benefits to all who enter, this bunch of millionaires running the Country don't seem to care about our own people having to struggle making ends meet as long as they can set their own pay rises and claim expenses, about time they started looking after their own before throwing taxpayers money away. How much will they claim for having to return to the house to vote on war,you bet your life it will be in the thousands,and that is why they don't worry about giving benefits away to others,they have got their own money pot to dip into when they want,its a joke or should i say a disgrace they way the country is being run.
And the elderly people of this country who have worked all their lives are put on the Liverpool Death pathway . Something very wrong with this so called Christian country that is killing it own people off when they get to a certain age and need hospital treatment.
Make sure all forms are in English and no other languages. In France all paperwork has to be completed in French not the language of your choice! Why are we so daft?
- theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 10:37 Couldnt have put it better myself!
Britains welfare system is unsustainable. Something has got to give at some point. Maybe this is part of the master plan. Allowing anybody who turns up on our door step access to our welfare system has no basis in logic Therefore, politicians must have some intelligence, I think its back to the pre 1940's for Britain.
What happened to all the comments between 6.20 and 10.26 ?
400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now
get rid then simple as that
I've worked for nearly 40yrs, and have been on the sick for 6 months and they have said I'm entitled to £1:52 a week because my partner earns £100 a week. Then they throw money at people who have never paid a penny into the system. I've paid in all my life and get nothing, , it's all wrong you should have to pay in before you take out.
Thanks to blair /brown we,re going to be paying the price for a long time.
Interesting people from outside the EU claiming benefits outnumber EU members by at least two to one, makes a mockery of those people claiming that it is the EU that is pushing the benefits bill through the roof.
Should not all the middles eastern men of fighting age be going back to fight for their countries.....or will they just leave it to us as usual?
And my Father of 96 and he was a rear gunner in the war, can't even get anything free. Why are we taking this?
Why on earth are people from these countries entitled to benefits from our Government?! British people who are born and bred here are demonised for having to resort to benefits when they fall on hard times, yet people from as far a field as Asia are entitled. This stinks.
I work my ass of for nothing the government takes if me to give to these lazy layabouts!! Joke
This is bad!!
We as a nation of incredible privilege have a duty of care to protect these people. Whatever happened to defending the underdog? Grow a pair Britain.
"The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.- Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53"..............No. Most realise that but they are principled people who will vote for what they think best for the country come what may. Unlike the greedy, grasping and usually useless Labour voters who vote Labour as Labour have stuffed their mouths with money stolen from the pay packets of others.
You couldn't make it up, could you especially when we get b.u.g.g.e.r all abroad. What a country - what a mess
After watching the benefit program on tv the government should go back to the methods they used in 1949
Come on Tories. Make claiming benefits not pay. Less than minimum wage, no housing benefit, cap child benefit at 2.
Check all their paper work i expect it is all fake, they change their names and address daily, trust me.
How can the UK and the EU justify paying billions in benefits to foreigners who have never paid a penny into the UK system, yet stop state pension increases to those of us that choose to live abroad. Despite the fact I for one have paid in for the maximum national Insurance, we are not asking for anything we have not earned. All we want is what we are due and is legally ours. The UK should look after it's own people first, above all others.
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense. - Sandy Brown , London, 29/8/2013 10:09 Asia and Africa are not part of the EU
I don't understand something. When I had to apply for benefits help after a bout of illness left me out of a job, I had to prove that I had paid 2yrs of National Insurance, and it wasn't for this year but from 2009 and 2010. I was told I hadn;t, which wasn't true because I'd paid 20years of it, and only after a very nice man at the NI office helped me I was awarded this benefit.. So how if I a British born citizen with 20yrs of National Insurance payments was given the run around, how can these migrants, whether legal or not, get benefits? Why is it one rule for them and another for us? These people should not be here unless they are working. No-one minds someone getting a bit of extra help when needed to anyone, but if the Government is making getting benefits so much easier for migrants is it no wonder we are becoming the cesspit of Europe. If a UK resident born and bred has to prove their ability to work and pay into the pot, why aren't they?
stop both invasions cam ,if you have the balls
Today the foreigners are scroungers and tomorrow they will be stealing our jobs. Which is it?
Meanwhile my son has failed to get his C grade at English, but I notice that all those from the minorities have. In the back if every college prospectus there are offers of financial assistance to those from overseas. Well this 40% taxpayer IS LEAVING!
Four years under the Tory-Liberal coalition, you will note.
How can they check these applications for fraud? Do they check whether these people have money in the bank or property back home? Do they have foolproof identity checks and a way to check that they don't claim at more than one office? This means the eventual inevitable end of the British welfare system but this must have been the politicians' plan from the outset as it was entirely predictable.
No job or prospects = no entry! Simples!!!!!
UKIP - There is NO alternative. UKIP is the only party capable and willing to make a start on restructuring the absurdity of British taxpayers funding the rest of the world's freeloaders - which is what they are.
Wake up Camoron, Calamity Clegg & Millipede. This is a national disgrace and highlights the true cost of surrendering our sovereignty and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with; the illiterate, indolent, indigent detritus from every corner of the world and an unemployable, feral underclass.
<3vote UKIP<3
Is anyone surprised by these figures? When I started work I was to receive my pension at 60 at the moment it will be at 67 but it will probably change again by the time I get close to 67. If we didn't pay out all these billions to these scroungers perhaps the people who pay into the system could get their pensions at a reasonable age.
At this rate we will be having the same problem as Syria here in the UK...............
If they haven't put anything in the pot they shouldn't be allowed to take anything out!! It's disgusting!!
The simple answer is that any entitlement to UK benefits should be earned by paying in Tax and NI (with separate regulations for our school leavers) and that entitlement would have to be maintained by still paying Tax and NI in a certain proportion of years onvce teh initial credit has been established. 5 years of contributing to even start receiving benefits beyond genuine emergency medical treatment and education for children. EU citizens would get the lower of what they received in their home country or here until they have established sufficient tax and NI credits - but over a shorter period. Benefits would include social housing/rent allowances and Child Allowance and Job Seekers benefit would only go to thsioe made redundant from a permanent job, not to anyone here on a short term contract. Simple changes - could be put through Parliament in a few weeks and implemented ina year or less gradually being extended to people who have been here for longer.
And in the mean time True Brits like pensioners are being killed off!
And how many of them are also getting Child benefits, pensions, housing and help with council tax. Not only do we hand it out by the bucket load, we also make it nice and easy by printing every form in about 58 different languages and supply interpreters. We really are THE most stupid collection of countries in the world.
UK has to STOP paying any welfare to foreigners. If they haven't got the money to live here then they shouldn't be allowed in or if they are here a one way ticket out. The way the government allow our money to be given away like this is criminal andsome one should be made to answer.
Qualifications for claiming benefits in Britain ----Never Ever Pay IN , if you work all your life or you are disabled expect to be penalised when you need help
These people will all require pensions eventually. The consequences will be devastating.
Don't you just love our Country.....these leeches do not want to be here...they do not like the indigenous population, the only thing they want is on the gravy train....with us hardworking mugs paying for their journey....but hey...we're so multi-cultural ain't we?.....I could weep in frustration and anger!!!!!!!
So are these the lazy people who want work or are they just our people?
We all know this, it has been going on for years. Those who have contributed to the system all their working lives are the ones paying for this and struggling themselves a a result. It is down to the One World Agenda do not believe what you are fed through the mainstream media and dig deeper.
Do you think if the wars stop. (lotting foreigners countries wealth), destroying foreigners infrastructure and own livelihoods then DM would really have no story headling "foreigners" would you DM? another dose of daily prejudice.
I am an african immigrant....it states clearly on my visa and all other african immigrants visas " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS".....how then are they collecting all these benefits??/...should you be looking at the incompetent lot handing out these benefits? because i am sick of paying £1000 on tax and NI a menoth...i could do with a tax free month per calendar month. Also DM...I will like to see an article on the extortionate fees that african immigrants have to pay £1800 to renew highly skilled migrant visas every 2-3 years.....of course that will be a true and fair view article so it won't be wort your while....propaganda sells so thats all we read lately. I do not believe the figure on bit!!!!!!
wouldnt surprise if it was much higher
Wait until January 2014 you have not seen any thing yet, thousands of Romanians will arrive, bombing Syria is more important, to our goverment.
We have no duty to look after free loaders. Benefits should be reserved for citizens. Germany manages to do it, why can't we? I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life. They never have worked here or paid taxes. But yet we provide the with a place to live, food, spending money and all they do is laugh at us.
I'm glad that we are looking after these honorable people. Good luck to them!
5.88 million benefit claimants in the uk, out of which 400,000 are foreigners,the rest are britons....do the maths people.
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become. Rant over!
Correction. Singapore has the third highest GDP per head.
In the next life I want to be a seagull I feed up with being dumped on by all these scroungers
@simon kirby What's the 'whole story' then? The only thing they've left out is the numbers claiming bnefits other than JSA, which must be enormous because wages are so low in Britain now.
Can't they all work for Jamie or all they too lazy?
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become.
Thanks for nothing Liebour.
Sick , sick, sick to the back teeth of working all the hours god sends so my taxes can pay for people who DON'T even originate from here this government is a shambles pure and simple !!!!!!!!
And what, may I ask, did they expect???? These people come here for low wages which we then, very generously, top up for them!!! They don't pay tax because they don't earn enough so how do they contribute anything to our country. You can't blame them, if we are stupid enough to give them all these benefits ..................
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35............................ EVEN AMERICANS ARE ON BENEFITS LIST HERE.....why pick on only africa out of the whole lot....i guess we all know why!!!
PANIC ATTACK!
And we wonder why the country's going to the dogs?!
Benefits are for the unemployed and the disabled BRITISH population ie. the deserving poor. Not for people who choose not to work and definitely not for foreign people!! If they are going to give out benefits to foreign people, they should have to work in the UK and pay into the system for at least ten years. If they don't like it, they should go back home to wherever they came from!!
we are just setting them up for a great future
But our leaders said kicking out all the highly skilled American/Canadian/Australian workers with MA,MS, and JD degrees would stop all of this.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhh, this just makes me so mad, why are we funding them? They get free courses, free housing, free everything, yet none born here, most having paid taxes do. All wrong, Britain needs to stand up and be counted, all of us.
I have worked from the age of 15 then 7 years ago I got vaccination damage on the NHS which means I cannot now work, so what do the government do stop my benefits, I have paid into the system, they have not, something is very wrong with this country,
Every study shows that EU nationals in UK are far less likely to be claiming benefits than UK nationals and that their contribution to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and NI payments far exceeds what they take out. These figures themselves show that around three out of four non-UK nationals claiming out of work benefits are from outside the EU. At least 1.4m Brits live in other EU countries and have the same entitlements as EU citizens living here.Those entitlements do not in either case include turning up in another Member State and claiming out of work benefits without being genuinely resident, which in most cases means having worked and paid taxes in the relevant country. EU migrants who cannot demonstrate established residence - usually through a substantial working record or being a direct family member of someone with such a record - and cannot prove they can support themselves can under EU law be removed.
Day after day the proof arrives that the government, well any UK government actually, can't run any organization and especially ones that handle our tax and NI money, either handing it out in benefits or buying goods and services from the private sector for those organizations to use for our benefit, on the procurement front they don't seem to have understood what most people do that bulk buying is cheaper than each government department buying small amounts individually.
Well at-least we can spend all the money we saved in Syria & on the HS2 project...... who's doing the fiances Micky mouse..
This truly is atrocious. When is the government going to wake up to the indiscriminate leeching of our hard-earned income by immigrants. UK out of EU NOW !!!!
Screw Syria - sort out this mess first. Questions: 1 How much will our involvement in Syria cost in terms of number of hospitals funded for one year ? 2.What do we hope to get out of an involvement in it for the UK ? 3. How many people will get killed - both allies and Syrians? 4 Tony Blair - will you send YOUR son in to battle first ? 5. How long will it drag out for ? 6.Will anyone thank us for our involvement ?
As long as our feeble Government are going to give them free hand outs they will keep on coming through our ever open borders..There is nothing you or i can do about it so get used to it..And the politicians of this Country could not care less, as long as they live in luxury, and live in their mansions payed for by the taxpayers..
This country is a sewer.
It's absolutely STAGGERING how our politicians just can't grasp what the average person on the street can. This country is completely ruined...... I feel to angry and bitter that so many servicemen sacrifed their lives to protect our borders yet our politicians have freely allowed our country to be overrun and effectively thrown to the dogs. Absolutely disgusting and deeply offensive to their sacrifices
Brilliant, makes me feel proud to be English... :(
disgusting country.....................
I think this is all by design. You simply wouldn't allow this massive influx of immigrants into a country by mistake. The politicians know what is happening and I believe we are part of some kind of twisted social experiment to bring folk to their knees. It's apparently working.
go back to your own country.
In reply to - Steve UK taxpayer , hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 09:54 Another great thing about the UKIP voter is that they don't understand what their policies are or mean...UKIP is an ultra right conservative party that will try to stop healing the world's sick for free, stop benefits for all the unemployed and sick people, stop or reduce tax on jobs - the NI contributions and the UK will be a whole lot worse off. Yes stop the abuse but to suggest UKIP as a minority party is the solution to the problem is crass.
And what about second, third and forth wives claiming single parents benefits.
There's no question, the government has to put a stop to the continuing tide of immigration before it's too late, my biggest fear is that it's already too late. Next is an unknown number of Romanians and Bulgarians heading our way, after that, an influx of Syrians probably?
While the disabled are having benefits cut,people who are on benefits having to pay bed room tax,no help to get people back in to work(what did happen to the run on of benefits that we were meant to have when this party was wanting our vote) but lets give anyone who enters the country as much benefits as they want.
Kick the lot out.
In the meantime, the government are considering even more cuts on pensioners and disabled people , many of whom have paid Nat. Ins , tax etc all their working lives , yet we're giving foreigners ( and their extended families ) access to UK benefits without putting a penny into the ''pot'' !
"they did not include other benefits for which most Eastern Europeans, being low paid, would qualify".... Sir Andrew is right, most 'benefits' are paid to people in work (working tax credits and housing / child benefit). Until Britain exits the EU, corporate shareholders and private landlords will continue to pick the pockets of hard working tax payers. As long as Britain has low pay and rising immigration / house prices, the debt crisis cannot be resolved. Membership of the EU is a disaster for Britain.
What was that you were saying yesterday Jamie Oliver?
This is one of the main issues that is going to wipe out the Conservative party at the next election . They put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la if the subject of immigration is mentioned . Well I think the general public has had enough and UKIP is going to split the Tory vote apart . Then Labour will stroll into power by default with barely a policy to their name . Time for a complete re launch of the Conservative party , or is that already happening with UKIP ?
DM please post my important comments
Nothing new here, thats why they cross many countries to land on our shores. Just stop all benefits until they have paid into our system for a minimum of 5 years. Work permits should only be given to other EU migrants for two years at a time. Thats what Greece is doing with Russians, at least you have some control then.
Welcome to Benefits Britain. Free housing,health care and ash fr all immigrants,legal or otherwise. Come and fill our boots.thats the reality of this mad house we live in, governed by no hopers.
British benefits for British benefit scroungers!
This is an absolute disgrace especially when the pensioners have to live on a paltry pension and if you saved and have a private pension you are TAXED to the hilt! Instead of giving to immigrants you should be looking after the BRITISH people who have worked hard all of their lives and also the real disabled people who would love to work but can't or simply can't find work. If I knew then what I knew now I would not have worked and saved or bought a house. It is about time we had a GOVERNMENT that was there for the BRITISH HARD WORKING folk and not for other nations. People are fed up with it so they may have riots on the streets of BRITIAN soon.
UKIP to sort this once and for all!
two words........NIGEL FARAGE
I just don't get why more immigrants are going to be allowed to enter this country when the hospitals just can't cope anymore. Bloody Cameron and the stupid government. This won't be Britain much longer.
Leon, think back & read the history, I believe you will find your statement is false
that social enrichment i keep hearing about , i will retire at 70 because their is no money in the pot , the only people to blame are the people who run this country , they are the biggest threat of all to the British people ,
All you people complaining about this sound like really insensitive people. Don't you know how tough life is for people in places like Poland or Romania or France? I think it is good that we get to spread a bit of the enormous wealth this country has via the benefits system with these poor people!! We should extend it!
If any thing legal I don't really mind in fact no one can do any thing -simple
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense.
And not one of them is breaking the law. As much as I think it is outrageous they are simply claiming what our system allows them to claim. Change the rules if we don't like it to stop them claiming. It's our benefits system that allows this to happen. It needs to change or it will crash from too many taking out and not nearly enough putting in.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35...................Why is it only the African statistic you picked out of the whole lot?.....those green arrowing you have not stopped to use some common sense on your comments.....130,000 africans in the uk????.....there you go....alll blinded by the hate for africans as usual!!!!
Points based immigration system, problem solved.
Why the outrage? Thats exactly what the government advocated
Built by Blair maintained by Cameron. UKIP.
The amount claimed though would only keep a small number of career British benefit scroungers over their lifetimes..
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
This is stupid why complain when we opened our borders and asked for this. Its like a healthy person running after HIV.
just playing devils advocate here, this isn't a personal statement just a thought that has come to mind. Of the 400,000 claiming hand outs. Are they cancelled out by the foreign workers here that are paying tax. Ie for every pound the government gets from a foreign worker, are we paying out more or less than that to foreigner benefit claims? We might actually be profiting from foreigners being here. Before I get red arrowed and people jumping down my throat this is purely something that just occurred to me like a business deal. Giving away benefits to some and allowing people in, might work almost like a loss leader where we get far more back from the hundreds of thousands or even millions of professional foreign tax payers living in the UK. Anyone know the stats or are we just focussing on the ones taking?
Oh look, another biased twisted DM story about immigrants. Why don't you print all the facts DM? Oh, I see, that would not suit your agenda. Well, I'm glad we are all clear on that.
WE CAN ONLY CALL THIS TREASON.
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27=================Are you on benefits? Raise taxes?!! There is hardly any money left after paying taxes as it is!!! What duty do we have to these people. We have absolutely none. THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM.
You ain't seen nothing yet....wait until next year! The bubble is growing, and one day it'll burst, as the British people will only take so much.
If we didn't have to put up with enforced immigration, then the majority of us would be in work and there would be no burden on the welfare state, so why has this been allowed to happen?
Why is is up to us to pay their benefits? Surely like pensions the country of origin should pay them.
Nobody is listening to us!
Is anyone surprised?
'..More fool you! Realising 34-years ago I couldn't beat the system without breaking the law, I moved to the Canary Islands. Everything was wonderful until the peseta was swapped for the euro and the economy went into decline. After 22-years in Spain, I'm now in Thailand five years before Spain went belly up, well away from the EU bureaucrats, the nincompoops of the UK and US governments and with less corruption here than is alleged in Whitehall and Washington, Threadneedle Street or Wall Street. No foreigner or even a fellow Brit gets my money unless I approve it by giving it to them myself, which I do regularly. It's nice to be in control of one's hard-earned cash. A luxury few in the West ever experience or get to enjoy. Just imagine earning £1,000 and keeping £1,000, not £600 or less and then having a further 20% taken off you in VAT...And although I don't smoke but I drive, what you pay for cigarettes and petrol is criminal. The bandits in Parliament should be wearing a mask.'
this is all down to Blair and the rest of his labour cronies
IDS where are you ,lets hear it for the failed priminister in charge of benefits,blaming workshy brits,it was never us it was them.ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.
Just scrap most of the benefits and retain just the old age pension; yes, no more disability benefits, you just go into a home and be looked after.No more job seekers allowance;if you want cash do odd jobs like knocking on doors and ask for chores to do.This country is a laughing stock to countries without a welfare system.
Anothe EU cost to this country. The policy should be a carrot and stick approach to the millions of economically inactive Britons. I know many who have no self belief and no confidence. Many who are just malingerers. But the government is abdicating its responsibility by seeing unselective mass immigration as any kind of solution. We need inspired leadership and charisma. Anyone seen a politician recently with those qualities? One whose first move is to get us out if the EU straight jacket which will give us the freedom to do what suits our economy rather than Bulgaria's or Rumania's.
There's nothing wrong with migration, when people leave their homelands to work or study in a different country and perhaps live there permanently if they want to. Plenty of Brits go overseas to do the same. However, immigrants should NOT receive any benefits and they should try and integrate with the local culture as much as possible. I'm saying this as an immigrant myself, from Eastern Europe . My husband's British-born, we don't get any benefits (not even tax credits or child benefit) and our only child is being brought up culturally 100% British. I cringe when I read these stories because they make me feel ashamed of my background and I always feel self-conscious when people ask where I am from.
Que'lle surprise! Not.
Cameron ought to usefully spend his time getting his own country on a stable path rather than mess about with other countries far from home. This ridiculous and unaffordable nonsense must be stopped.
This article and the excellent comments have Struck Me Dumb!
Please can someone in this spineless Government have courage to sort out the immigration problem once and for all! We cannot afford to pay out benefits and income support to anyone who does not contribute anything to our economy. Our infrastructure is overloaded, and everything seems to be loaded in favour of immigrants. Sort this out, and there will be no need whatsoever to build over green fields which should be used for the production of food, not housing.
Why not, you can come here illegally or legally and be housed, fed and clothed with money for fags and booze and not have to lift a finger. We have allowed our governments do set this up.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
So basically you have 400,000 squatters living in your basement and you're looking after their every need. Sorry, but you are idiots for electing leaders who allow this to happen. The mind boggles...
WELL DONE TONY AND THE LABOUR PARTY see what misery you have caused a social experiment that has FAILED big style
We need someone tough running this country now, someone like Maggie again, she wouldn't mess about, she wouldn't have let them all in, I want someone who will start kicking them out, am sick of having British people move aside for foreigners, sick of British people been brushed under the carpet by the politicians so that they can have cheap foreign labour. Well no more, I am never going to vote for the 3 main parties ever again and if it means voting for some one extreme to bring Britain back, then so be it
They are trying to stop our winter fuel allowance for people living abroad who have paid taxes all their working lives. An English language paper here in France has listed the countries at risk of losing this allowance, France is on the list - Italy is not. It is considered colder than France. The people who decided this have not been in France in winter. I know I will get red arrowed for this but as I am on the reduced pension I need it. The cost works out for me at less than £2.00 per week.
That is Britain today - we heal the world's sick for free and provide funds for all the world's unemployable people to live in luxurious idleness. But things will change when the main 3 parties are thrown out - UKIP will start the change next election.
Australia gets really really bad press on how it deals wth their asylum seekers! But everyone knows there not a soft touch but it Britain well were just way too polite to upset anyone,get a backbone and kick em out. !
The EU and Blair have destroyed this Country - and they haven't finished with it yet either.
satisfied Blair - colin , Selby, 29/8/2013 09:34 --> Much as I detest Blair, this increase has happened mostly on Dave's watch, aided and abetted by Clegg.
Goodbye Great Britain , This is the start of the end of our wonderful country.. GET US OUT OF THE EU!! Before there is nothing left. No places at the schools and the end the wonderful NHS.. Services stretched to the brink of breaking point!!
Dave youve been told time and time again by the vast majority of the British public but you havent been listening so i will tell you again -SHUT THE BLOODY DOORS !!!!!
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid .. - toothpick4649, Adelaide, Australia, 29/8/2013 5:45 Click to rate Rating 42 .......Easy to explain, mate. We keep voting for the same gutless wonders every general election and expect them to stand by their promises - which never happens. All they do is bend over and lift their shirt tails every time the EU spouts a 'directive'. Having watched them fail our people time and time again, and watched our country descend into a multi cultural cess pit, ruled by our natural enemies in Europe, it beats me why people vote for any of the current crop of political disasters we currently have to tolerate. I wish I'd moved to Australia when I was a young man with a trade. It saddens me when I see what Britain has become - all caused by a few politically correct, treacherous rat bags in Parliament.
Who is the fool here? It's not the government and It's not the foreigners It's the taxpayers!!!!! Until you down tools and demand changes, nothing will change. Look at what happened when they put the price of fuel up, people protested and got the fuel price down. Now we just roll over and die, everything has gone up, the place is falling to bits and all we do is moan about it and expect a greedy corrupt organization to fix it. It's like when a child dies from drugs or guns or the internet trolls, Only then do those parents decide to act and they ask for change. You are all living in your own bubble and won't do anything until it effects YOU.
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On a per capita basis, foreigners pay more in tax than those born here. More DM xenophobia believed by the gullible and racist.
cant support yourself? cant come here then. Simple
Cameron wont deal with anything he cannot be bothered with our country he wants to fight for other countries. All these immigrants will most likely unemployed so thing before you blame all the unemployed for not looking for work, we also let foreigners take our jobs so some people who want jobs cannot get them. I still cannot believe people get working/child tax credits when you have a job, Ive never ever claimed for them in my life, but these all should be stopped.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- When the cowardly, idiot electorate of Britain stops voting for them. Until then, they have no reason to act. Why should they? Sheep deserve to be fleeced. The choice could not be simpler. Either you vote nationalist, or you vote for more of this.
Britain is the welfare supermarket to the world and of course will attract so much dross as they observe our failed Border Agency which facilitates entry to the country. Cameron should for once in his premiership concentrate on getting just one aspect of his policy right and stop playing to minorities and whatever Samantha whispers in his ear.
I wish the DM will tell the whole story........
One word : traitors .
'Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.'- Dbarr347 , auckland, ...toDbarr in Auckland, that's the reason so many here are frustrated, we can't implement a 2 year stand-down period (or similar policy) because the UK's hands are tied by what the EU says, which is why we have this huge influx of people and subsequent massive payments to them.
Here we go, fan the flames of hatred DM. No statistic on the white underclass claiming?
They all come to the U.K,,,,,,,,,,,Would they be prepared to fight and protect this country if they were called up for duty?????They would fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the U.K in a heart beat
I am a foreigner. I have paid for 8 years my taxes and my contributions to this society. Why shouldn't I get benefits when I need them? Do you think I give away part of my money for you, Britons, and not for me? Get a grip.
Sick! Glad I'm not contributing to this anymore.
What a mess!
This just cannot go on, there should be mass protests ( peaceful ones) in every town and city until the government gets the message that we are not happy about this. UKIP next time, it's the only way.
What a disgrace when our elderly have to pay extortionate amounts to be looked after in care homes. There couldn't be a stronger case for voting U.K.I.P.
Turf them out, I am quite sure that if I went to an EU country I would not get any benefits, housing or financial help so why can they come here and get it! It has got beyond a joke, they land in by themselves then within a short space of time there is a whole family of 10! I am sick and tired of my taxes being used to fund these people. Plus the majority of them are getting tied up in crime against the foolish people who work to keep them!
Why can other European countries refuse benefit pay outs to people who have not contributed to their coffers, yet we are falling over ourselves to give immigrants a free ride if they want it.
PLEASE have a look at the UKIP website for COMMON SENSE POLICY'S. Nigel Farage has the right idea! GET OUT OF THE EU! Get control of our borders laws and way of life! Run the UK for the BRITISH 1st! SHUT the doors for 5 years! Sort this appalling mess out then run immigration like the Aussies! Sounds good to me, if it sounds good to you then you must vote UKIP! They are the ONLY party that put the British FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that do come here and find a job only work for a short period of time. Once they qualify for benefits they give up work and start claiming. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU only introduced the law about free movement of labour because they knew most of the undesirables would come to the UK or Germany. Members of all parties KNOW this is going on. The fact that they do nothing speaks volumes.
a benifit ? and enriching our country all at the same time WHY THEN IS EVERY THING FALLING APART ?
Cutbacks in the NHS, in schools, in care for the elderly, in the armed forces and so on is because Britain is giving free money to people who should not have it.
I thought as a condition of you being able to live here was that you were able to support yourself financially, at least I thought that's what the UK border agency says, why is this country such a doormat?
in the old days foreigners came to a country and worked their butt off and made the country better,now they are adding to its problems and im disgusted,maybe go back and fix your own country?
Can some one please explain how so many non EU immigrants can claim benefits? The system supposedly works on the basis that immigrants have to reside in the UK for five years, then only can they apply for permanent residence, after a further year apply for British citizenship. As the UKBA presently takes some ten months to process these applications (disgraceful but another example of incompetence) this extends the process to some seven years. So please be fair to those immigrants who do follow the rules, work hard, contribute by paying tax until they are granted citizenship and quite possibly never claim benefits! How many of these 'immigrants' are asylum seekers or among the backlog of thousands in the so called "Temporary and Permanent Migration Pool". DM this sort of article causes friction and whilst these figures are quite an eye opener, perhaps a little more research and clarification of just who these benefit claimants are would be a good idea.
I think the point that is not clear in this article at all, is how many of those who are claiming any kinds of benefits have actually worked and paid tax/NI in this country before claiming. I live and work in Germany. I have been in full employment here for many years. Were I ever to be made unemployed here I would be entitled to the same benefits as German citizens. I would honestly hope that no frothing-at-the-mouth newspaper would hate me for claiming the unemployment benefit I would be entitled to and encourage their readers to take a "send them all home" stance.
Stop the welfare for everyone!That might also force the lazy brits into finding jobs!
Why aren't the MP's and in particular the Welfare minister, reading these comments from the genuine public. Something needs to be done NOW.Cameron, pull your finger out NOW, and stop searching TripAdvisor for your next summer break.
Why doesnt DM print the real statistics? The truth is that majority of East European immigrants have jobs, pay their taxes and so when some of that number claim benefits- they have already put into the pull by the means of paying their own taxes here. Sometimes life turn disappointingly, you loose your job and so for a wee while you need the system¿s help, but we pay for it up front!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again. - IhateDM, london, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 08:24 Believe this idiot... It's far worse than DM are portraying, look on the government websites for the statistics and then double that at least. If you live with your head in the sand mate, you obviously read the independent and belong to those statistics, let the DM be read by hard working tax payers who care about this country!!!!
Similar things have been going on for years, how about registering for NI number and benifits at half a dozen or more dole offices and collecting from them all, and that was in the 70s, but ,"It would cost more to catch the offenders than than the fraud was costing". One would believe that in the past 40 years it has become much worse, never mind the gross edicts from the mighty (Useless) EUSSR.
Only the FOOLS running the Country COULDNT SEE THIS.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in. - Mick N.E., Ashington, 29/08/2013 04:56 Not 'everyone'. Only EU nationals. My non EU husband had to fight to stay in this country with me & our mentally disabled child. After thousands of pounds in visa fees to the home office and 3 years he was eventually allowed to live & work here (as long as we pay £500 every 2.5 years for 10 years to extend the visa) & No Recourse To Public Funds!! Not all immigrants come here to scrounge. He works to support us. Just a shame the UKBA can't issue the public funds rule to all the EU nationals just walking into the UK.
Why not change the name of OUR country from Great Britain to HANDOUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Everyone is welcome
ROLL ON UKIP
Worked 40 plus years, made redundant, over 60, get nothing. So much for working........I don't think.
Oh the another big plus then for the politicians and media who keep telling us of the 'benefits' of mass immigration!!
Is it any wonder certain foreigners claim Britain as being "Treasure Island"!
thatchers legacy
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/08/2013 01:35 Where do you get the 130,000 Africans in the UK figure from? It HAS to be far more than that.
Do you have a figure for the cost? "Billions" is not an adequate number for a proper report. I assume you have no numbers and are making assumptions (yet again).
IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION these are the WMD OUR sick are being told to work our unemployed are being told to find invisable jobs
satisfied Blair
Foreigners can't wait to get here and British people born here can't wait to leave. Can someone explain please?
Soft touch Britain. Everybody knows this. Even immigrants say this loudly through the media to confirm it. Yet we do nothing...
It is an open secret Labour did this deliberately. Years out of power, once back in fill the country with foreign benefits claimants. Encourage large families of domestic claimants. Engineer the population into a labour voting one....... It really is quite sick behaviour
Why, then, DM don`t you throw you considerable weight behind the ONLY party that will DO SOMETHING about this serious matter - UKIP, instead of, as you now do, which is to take every opportunity to ridicule the party and denigrate the character of it`s members ?
I'd just like to know why the people who pay taxes in this country aren't asked if its ok for their hard earned money to be spent like this? Why do we have to hand over nearly a third (or more) of our earnings with no say on what it's spent on? Because I'm sure this would be at the bottom of everyone's list.
We can't continue like this!
I worked and served in the Royal Marines serving my country of birth then at 65 retired to Belgium,my pension is £420 per month and i am not able to claim any supplements in Belgium (because i have not worked here).............Why is it that all other EU countries protect their own citizens and restrict immigrants but the UK just gives so much to those who have never paid a penny in NI or tax...........The millionaires who sit round the cabinet table have no idea what it is like to see your homeland destroyed because they are insulated from the pain of poverty.
Great Britain? sadly not for much longer
Then don't let them claim!! My husband ( a non EU national) can't claim a single penny, not that he wants to as he has a lot of pride to work & support us, but if you can issue a 'no recourse to public funds' to non EU nationals then do the same to EU nationals :-/ they haven't paid into the system, neither have their parents. But that's ok they can still claim child benefit for their kids back in their own country eh :-/
Oh these must be the hard workers Jamie Oliver was talking about!!!
1949 Benefits Britain!
There's a surprise! Benefits should be predicated on long term residency and tax contributions. We should not allow people to take out of the pot who have not first put something in.
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes.
This is where the money is going, paying benefits to those who haven't paid in. This is the TRUE reason why working people are being made to work longer before they can draw their EARNED pension. All this "We are all living longer" hogwash is just convenient government rhetoric used to hide the real truth...
Our benefit system should be for the people who paid into the system (excluding all who cant due to ill health). This system was never meant for anyone other than the people of this country. As a woman of 59 I have now to wait an additional 6 years before I get my state pension although I worked full time for over 40 years since I was 16. As I am no longer working I am living off my small company pension and my savings and hope they last out till then. We should have a similar attitude to Australia...if you cant look after yourself financially....you cant come in!
Why do we do it? You must have contributed 5 years before you are allowed anything
No surprise, even more taxpayers millions to be paid out next year 2014 to all and sundry who simply walk in and claim, a very costly crazy system ,meanwhile we all must suffer cuts makes no sense at all.
No, no, no! Cameron needs to grow a backbone and put a full stop to this. It's an insult to hardworking taxpayers, pensioners who have worked all their lives to live in poverty once they retire and those on the ever lengthening NHS waiting lists. The UK is seen as the mug of the world - come to us and we'll give you money for nothing. Even better, we'll give you money for members of your family who don't even live in the UK!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again.
I hope the new "rules" being brought in before Jan 1st stop more of these immigrants and that finally we will get out of the EU, team up with the Commonwealth and put the shutters up on our border. If you have a proper job and are invited to UK fine, otherwise please stay home
This is an appalling use of tax payer money & those responsible should be locked up for life! No immigrant should have the right to welfare (including the NHS) in this country unless they have paid in to the system for 5 years. The benefits system should be cancelled immediately & relaunched with very strict criteria. Cameron needs to worry less about Syria & more about getting us out of the EU, before the next huge influx arrive cap in hand!
It's like trying to fill a bath with no plug. As soon as the nation's money is earned, it's handed over to Johnny Foreigner. Recovery?! Don't make me laugh! More like running to stand still! UKIP for me in 2015.
"Money! Get your free money! Grab it while its still here! Get your free money"
Oh my word...quick send them back that way 'our' people will get all the benefits that we've missed out on because of the foreigners taking it all.....what a load of rubbish....our ridiculous government is to blame.....what a shambles they're making of everything....cuts here and there saving a pittance....they need to have a really good think about how they're running us into the ground....the selfish idiots!!!!!
Successive governments seem to have been obsessed with the need to be seen to be helping others around the world and in the process have lost sight completely with what is happening in their own country. Politicians urge us to vote but why bother when politicians are not interested in protecting the interests of their own citizens.
Cameron reacts to a problem in Syria that the British people couldn't care less about, but immigrant problems he ignores. Listen to the British people you idiot.
Our only hope is UKIP.
The only reason the politicians dont deal with it is because they are too scared they will be branded racist....i cannot see any other reason.
The smug politicians do nothing, other than claim their inflated expenses and wait for their next salary rise!!!
Haha, who cares? It's just hilarious watching Middle England get mad.
Simple solution: If you're not born in this country, or have at least one parent born in this country, NO BENEFITS
Biggest number of individual claimants were from Asia and the Middle East ------------- JUST HOWis this possible? I begrudge my tax money going overseas!
It's a nuisance when people use a serious debate such as this, to peddle UKIP........there you go all you UKIPPERS ........your big chance for a red arrow-fest xx
Absolutely shocking. How much longer can this go on? There has to be a limit and I reckon this will be reached next year when the next wave of immigrants get here. I cannot beleive how this government is letting this happen. They are all talk and no action. British taxpayers have had enough of their money aquandered. I fear for this country, We are no longer Great Britain. Labour started this fiasco, and this government is simply continuing to let it happen.
My husband and I were in effect driven out of our beloved country by the intense anger of our taxes being given to financial imigrant from all over the world. We had to move abroad to keep our sanity and lose the anger.
Meanwhile honest UK taxpayers who suffer disasters are treated like criminals if they try to claim benefits, having to prove that they aren't lying at every step, sometimes in a very unpleasant manner which only makes them feel worse. How about a bit of balance, our own people first for benefits, hospital treatment, school places, council houses etc. The more we feather-bed, the more will come.
just WRONG!
UKIP ALL THE WAY
absolutely soul destroying
I don't have anything against foreigners- my parents were foreigners to this country in their time - but AAAARGH. They never claimed benefits, never, they were highly qualified people but worked in a warehouse, sewing on buttons at dry cleaners, anything rather than claim benefits, and they learned English. They made us learn English and they brought us up to work and pay taxes. What the hell is this?
Good lord - don't tell them to come to Canada - they'll get nothing. At least I don't think so. Been here most my life. If you don't have a job, you're screwed and destined to be uber poor. The UK has to rethink the whole system.
What do you expect when we elect idiots like Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg into office.
just scrap the benefits make them stand on their own two feet or at least make everyone re apply
There lies the problem with the declining quality of services in the UK compared to the rest of Europe.
Leave the EU and take the benefit system back to how it was in the 1940s, a safety net not a life style choice !
......and after I finish working all my life and retire, if I can afford it that is, will there be anything left in the pot for me? If we carry on at this rate there won't. I get more and more angry about this situation where people who have contributed nothing to this country take and fools like me who work pay them to do it.
Anyone surprised? I'm not. I saw this coming years ago. Big Issue sellers 'work' for 12 weeks then are entitled to full UK benefits. The same applies to agricultural workers - not much to pick from October to May. We are being taken for MUGS and quite honestly rightly so. But it's not only the benefit issue, how about the £53,000,000 given to the EU every day, the £12 Billion in foreign aid? The retirement age has been increased and your private pensions have been raided to help pay for this. Have you tried to get a Dr or Dentist appointment lately? Have you waited in A&E for hours to eventually be seen by a Dr who doesn't speak English? WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS IN FINANCIAL TERMS. We are being fleeced and royally shafted by political traitors who are supposed to protect and care for BRITISH citizens. If you want more of the same continue voting LibLabCon. If not, it has to be UKIP.
Another example of the UK Government ignoring the wishes of citizens, look around and it happens all the time. Here there is no welfare unless you have contributed, very simple, I am at a loss to understand why the British Government refuse to do the same.
What do people expect we are in the middle of the deepest recession since the war there are no jobs for people born here how do they expect foreigners to find work?
A lot of us already knew this but when we dared to say it, we were deemed a racist.
A friend worked in a London school for the blind. One family, white British, were turned down by Australia as their blind child "Would be a burden on Australia". Meanwhile, an asylum seeking family with 5 children at the school -all born without eyes due to a (1st cousin marriage) genetic fault - were being supported in their request to stay in the UK in spite of the children being a HUGE burden on the state!
LOOK LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. The British taxpayer knows that all the bull about JOB OPPORTUNITIES is a Govt. fantasy. Across Africa and E. Europe the word is out that if you can get to the UK you can LIVE FOR FREE. The quicker the Govt. understands that the better. Meanwhile taxpayers have their services reduced to find the money all these scroungers cost.
Vote labour, and let them all come.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY - si, london, 29/8/2013 12:14 Stop blaming Labour, this con lot have had plenty of time to make the the changes needed, they have the benefit of hindsight, made useless promises and a PM without a backbone. as bad if not worse than labour. Only one vote for me UKIP
Meanwhile, with the help of Atos, they continue to strip the benefits from genuinely sick, native born British, lets not forget that.
I'm not great at maths but if there are 406,000 foreigners claiming benefits and 5.88 million Britons doing the same, that means Britons account for over 93% of benefits spending in the UK. So I'm not entirely sure it's foreigners taking all the money. Interestingly, the split of 93% native Briton to 7% foreign is roughly in line with the actual demographics of the country as well, so it doesn't look as if foreigners disproportionately take up the welfare budget either. Perhaps we could get come clarity as to the amount of cash that goes to Britons and the amount which goes to foreigners? It's a bit disingenuous to whine that foreigners are costing our country 'billions' when they account for less than 7% of the actual bill.
if you dont like the situation, change it ,use your vote accordingly at the next available elections and vote for the only party who will put a stop to this insane situation,i am definately voting UKIP.
Can't they get a job with Jamie Oliver?
tories, great on rhetoric, abysmal on action. Nice shoes though, Mrs May.
Oh well
One could argue that EU because of legislation we are saddled with are justified but that leaves 340,000 non EU claimants. How does that work? It is very simple - Tough to get in and then you have to work for five years before receiving benefits. Put someone with backbone in charge of UK border control. No visa - no entry and those visa's have to be approved from this end not at the consulate or embassy at originating country. You have to have a work placement and if a student wants to study here they must put in the entire three years tuition and living funds into a special account. - Time to get tough - time to find someone tough enough to deliver.
we in the uk have been bounced into this marxist/commie system whether we like it or not,whether we we voted for it or not,whether we like having our democratic voice taken away in this or not,thanks to our ministers who now take their orders from the likes of marxist merkel and barroso and good ole rumpy pumpy,everything we have built up by way of savings and pensions is to be handed out and shared for all who are piling in leaving us with poverty levels seen in third world countries,yep thats the policy folks,good an,it
The government have got far more important things to deal with, like sticking their noses into the problems of other countries!
None of this makes any sense whatsoever! We are bleeding ourselves to death. All that our ancesters fought and died for is being thrown away. It is a betrayal of them.
How the HELL can this be happening? When I immigrated here in the late 90's I could not claim a thing, and wouldn't have in any case. I had a stamp in my passport that said "No recourse to public funds" - this was for 5 years. I have been here 16 years and still have never felt the need or desire to access/take/abuse public funds. Clearly our immigration doors are flapping wildly in the wind attracting all the WRONG people. So much about what's "good" for the country. So disappointing.
It's simple any person who has not paid National Insurance for 2 years although I would like 5 years or been a permanent resident for 5 years can't claim any benefits. Simples
There should be a qualifying period, perhaps 5 years of contributions, before qualifying and the sum paid should be equal to the payment a UK Citizen would receive in their Country. This Magic Roundabout has lost its wheels.
And this country is supposed to be so broke that we all have to suffer cuts. And yet we hand this much to immigrants who have paid nothing in. We consider military action which has nothing to do with us. Do you ever get the feeling that politicians, who are overseeing this ridiculous situation, are required to put their brains into cold storage when they take up their positions, to be retrieved when they leave office?
Consistently shambolic behaviour really, from MPs who are supposed to be intelligent and have the UK's best interests at heart. I admit, In an ideal world it's nice to be able to help others, however, when that includes people who have long criminal records or people who have no intention of working or people who are here simply to claim benefits and contribute nothing, or people who have no intention of adding anything of value to the local resident population...well you wouldn't invite that type of person to stay in your own home, so why would you foist that type of person many, many times over onto the UK which is, in effect, our shared collective home...oh and why would you then be so incompetent so as not to know how many people are here? I've got no axe to grind as my great great grandfather came here from Jamaica, however, he worked damn hard, made many friends and received nothing by way of support. The UK is being failed over and over by each government on this issue.
THIS should be today's headline, not some daft rubbish about Tango dancers in Argentina!
Every day a feel a little bit more ashamed of being British! !....we are Europes laughing joke!!!
they are stealing britains future, stop it now and get the hell out of europe now; this blair and browns legacy
This needs to be stopped now, if imigration carries on as is, this country will be bankrupt. Why oh why can we not have a leader who is sympathetic towards the people of this country instead of to the whole world.
And all the time LibLabCon keep encouraging the importation of immigrants, who we can't do without. They are telling the hard working taxpayer that its the British elderly, disabled and low paid who are causing the economic troubles. Next year many more Eastern EU people will turn up. All the time these benefits are going "home", rather than remaining in our country. Tis should be stopped, these people have never paid into our tax or NI system and should be allowed nothing out of it now. UKIP will stop it.
The whole system is a complete mess. I know of people who have fraudulently claimed benefits for years, and when reported, the authorities do absolutely nothing. Well actually they do something continue giving them benefits. AND they are still claiming when they are living in another country and have done for the last 8 months and are not british citizens. It's completely wrong! I'm all for people coming to this country to work but I think in order to get any benefits or be allowed to work (get NI registration) it should have to be under certain conditions, e.g. Pass an English examination, prove that they are actually living in the country, not be allowed to claim benefits or be entitled to housing until such a time they are able to illustrate that they can actively contribute to the state and not drain resources. My husband is from Eastern Europe, he is an engineer and I run my own business, we don't claim benefits never have! I'm sick of looking of my tax bill each year!
Forget the other parties, they only paper over the cracks, give UKIP a chance to sort this properly.
We need answers and the only way we will get them is mass peaceful protests.
Spread the word,.. UKIP to sort out this Damn mess !!
We should follow the 1949 system...
This Enrichment is bankrupting us!!
Educate yourselves people. EU immigrants damage your country than any outside immigrant will ever do. All these articles are to stir things up n create hatred for immigrants. Do not think Nigel will sort it either, when was the last time a politician told the truth. Educate yourselves people.
Do you get the impression we keep electing really stupid governments? It' UKIP for me now on.
Oh! I thought they were the ones working while the Brits are all lazy. The golden pot will be empty soon for everyone. No job, not a British citizen, go home!
So we have people who have paid into the system for years being denied benefits and services to pay for immigrants, asylum seekers AND their families! and to add insult to injury a proportion of these openly hate us and go to religious institutions that preach violence and death! What hope is there for our children if our own government does NOTHING!
This article confirms what the ordinary working man and woman have known for years. No one should now be allowed in unless they can prove that they have sufficient money so that they have no need for benefits or to be a drain on this company, this Los applies to health insurance. No money, no health insurance equals no admittance.
if you haven't got a National Insurance number or British passport, you cannot claim benefits......simple.
If this feeble Government keeps on giving them hand outs they will keep on coming..And this Country will be bankrupt, we will be joining Spain Greece ,etc...If the poor and the elderly and sick over worked tax payers native Brit think they got it bad now..YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THING YET..
Looks like not even the DM can rant on about how its all labour fault any more.
Surprise, Surprise! Why doesn't this story leave me flabbergasted. This was seen coming 15 years AGO!.
Yet the government are blaming the pensioners for all the financial ills of the country, we are living too long, 24,000 are dying each year due to the cold so we will stop the WFA, the bus pass, and TV licence to the over 75's, meanwhile they continue to fund the dregs of the earth from other countries who turn up on our doorstep.. UKIP are the only party that will address this appalling situation.
Zebedee, what? And take money from the immigrants? That will never do, not when we have British disabled people who are in receipt of benefits. It makes much more sense to withdraw the disablement benefits than to close our borders. It's inhumane apparently to refuse entry to someone from a War torn country and not give them a roof over their head, food on their tables and pay for the upkeep of however many children they may have but there's nothing wrong with taking essential benefits if you're British, childless, worked for many years before claiming benefits and have an incurable and dangerous illness.
The figures show that 93% of work-related benefit claimants are Britons. This is in keeping with the population as a whole.
Right lets see==Foreign Aid about 12 BILLIONS / EU Contributions about 13 BILLIONS not counting backdoor bailouts for bankrupt countries / Foreign Benefit Claimants another unknown figure running into Billions / Billions more on funding our illegal wars against any Country our Politicians choose to attack, MEANWHILE our OAP's freeze to death in winter many more thousands die in hospitals thru lack of basic care, thousands more denied lifesaving drugs / 1 MILLION of our young people thrown on the scrapheap / our sovereign debts have topped 1.2 TRILLIONS and growing etc etc etc.
ARGHhHhhhhhhhhhhhhHhHhHh I have just finished a 14 hour night shift for the NHS and have done so 3/4 times a week for the last 10 years and my pay just covers bills etc I actually want to cry !!!! These people come here use the NHS and claim benefits....!! I am moving out of this sorry excuse of a country....!!! What a shame I hate my own country and the government that runs it
No, no, no ..... They only come here to bring missing skill sets that the British don't have .... They don't come here for our benefits system !
If you haven't paid in and are fit for work you should not pay out! This is national insurance, we workers pay our insurance. Foreign people should only be allowed in if they have money or work, and students have money to pay for their education. British people should only be on job seekers allowance if they are actively seeking work!
We're told that immigration is actually a positive for the UK since it adds to the economy. This article based on facts kind of scuppers this idea. We're already pretty well bankrupt so it's little wonder that the working population is having to work until they drop before they retire & services in this once great Country are crumbling. Mr Cameron we need a referendum on the EU now!
Your comments:By any definition, we have been sold out. Utterly tragic.
Surprise, surprise!
I dont undestand DM. Our government who i trust completely say immigrants bring so many positive things to the country? are you telling me im being lied to?
I have nothing but contempt for the British Government since Blair got into power and opened the door to the world and his wife and it's all been downhill from there. No wonder thousands flock to your shores; it's the land of milk and honey for some and the poor old British taxpayer is having to pay for it. I will always love my Country, but the politicians suck!
I can't read all of this. My head is swelling from the inside. I voted UKIP in local elections and I can't wait to vote UKIP in the next general election. Voting for anyone else will only lead to 'anyone else' changing their manifesto as always.
UKIP is the only hope for this most awfully run country. Lets give them a clean sweep in the EU elections.
Many people seem to believe that voting UKIP will solve the problem, but will Mr Farage and his party be able to achieve what they claim? I shall be voting UKIP but fear we are already in too deep. It may take a WAR OF INDEPENDENCE in the end. It may help if Cameron and Clegg take the first steps now, instead of prevaricating, and promising a possible vote at some time in the future. My local used to have a sign behind the bar which said : FREE BEER TOMORROW.
All part of the plan to destroy England from within. it has been said ¿Until now, nations were killed by conquest, that is by invasion. But here an important question arises: can a nation not die on its own soil, without resettlement or invasion, by allowing the flies of decomposition to corrupt to the very core those original and constituent principles which make it what it is?¿
MP's of any party except UKIP are terrified to cut back the Welfare system, believing it will cost them votes. How they dare put themselves before the good of the country is a form of fraud, as I see it. Refreshingly. Farage and his party think differently.
And still our Government lets more and more of them come into our Country.. It beggers belief !!!
That would include foreigners in work who because of very low wages (minimum wage, part-time, zero hour) are claiming IN WORK benefits to heat, eat and shelter. The blame should go onto rich Tory voting bosses who refuse to pay living wages (giving it all in perks and bonuses to themselves instead) forcing the poor who WORK to claim IN WORK BENEFITS.
How do non Europeans get to be allowed in without the means to support themselves?..
People should spend less time estimating the figures and more time doing something about it. England is ruined. No wonder all our best and brightest leave! We are the dumping ground of the earth and our politicians should stop spending all their time bickering at each other about broken promises to work towards their pay increases and more time doing something however controversial.
I am beginning to think the people running this country,both now and those idiots in the last Labour government,(how on earth did Gordon Brown ever become P.M.),dont have the slightest clue.This problem has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years and will get worse and worse but still no one has the backbone to do anything about it. I give up. Bye bye G.B.!!!
What sort of an idiot do you need to be not to realise this was always going to happen?
Like politicians they have put nothing in and have taken as much as they can out ,and yes including housing although politicians get to keep and profit from theirs
Nothing will happen, unless you are a british worker who pays your taxes. get made redundant and then try and get help. wont happen , immigration is good for the world for working people not idol layabouts who are economic migrants who leech. This government and previous are delusional in believing the UK is a prosperous country who can help the world but not its own. we are a 3rd world country in the making and military might wise we are a flea on the tail of the U.S tiger. The NHS is a great institution but is being abused and the UK being laughed at by the world.
EU.NO NO NO, get out now
hi these gvt policies of uncontrolled entry into the uk will result in living standards/care provision reduced for all in the uk,the jam is being spread so thin now great poverty will be seen in areas never seen before,theres just not the resources/taxes being generated to meet all the demands of this exploding population in the uk,are they listening in westminister,thought not,will they close the door now,nope!
Our Politicians are aware with what is happening to our Country. Things are progressing nicely exactly to plan. We are over-populated, we are jobless, we are extremely hard-up. This has been allowed to happen because it is what the politicians want. The taxpayers are not running this Country. They are paying all the bills but them in the cuckoo`s nest are running it - to hell in a handcart.
Couldn't Jamie Oliver employ them ?
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP. - tony, mansfield, 29/08/2013 05:18 Sadly I fear it's too late now! I despair for our country. We're so governed by Brussels that its not a case of just walking away from Europe anymore. Wish it was!
Still Cameron ignores these figures and the wishes of the people! He'd much rather have a war !
Simple analogy; would we as Brits be able to claim a penny if we hit hard times in their countries? I think the answer is a resounding, "no." Why do we waste our money, which we pay in taxes, in this manner?
For several yearss it has been obvious that the EU was designed to lift the poorer people upto the same standard pf living as the so called RICH ie the likes of us. It is going to be very hard to leave as the many immigrants from the EU will be able to vote in any referendum that we hold aand they are not going to vote to leave it. `ted heath and the rest of the body politic have an awful lot to answer for.
Bank of England policy - unemployment high with lots of immigrants so use this statistic to rob the prudent blind with interest rates way below inflation. Come January the numbers will spiral out of control.
This government has been in power for three & a half years & the benefits to foreigners bill has increased 41% in five years, & its over five years since Blair was P M, surely this is the fault of the coalition this has happened after Blair left office & i know the Dreary Mail readers will say he is to blame for letting so many in but that is like blaming Churchill for E C H R fiasco because he took us into it in 1946 just trying to be truthful & sensible you know blame where it is due.PS i don't like Blair or his awful wife.
You can go to any town or city up & down the UK to find in full of people of working age doing absolutely nothing. I accept that times have changed, but when I was a lad there would be hardly a male figure on the streets during working hours other, than tradesmen.
This is great news
We imported all this lot without any basic standards as regards education and job skills! What a set of "Numpties" in Parliament.
and here's me listening to the politicians and the BBC saying they come here to work. so the proportion of immigrants claiming dole against Brits is quite high. No wonder the country is broke.
What the hell did you expect with a Benefit and Immigration System designed by a collander maker.
Yet having worked all my life, if I lost my job today I would get nothing because my wife works full time.
And the government wonder why the number of jobless people is increasing. If they hadn't been allowed to claim benefits we would save £billions a year and the bedroom tax wouldn't be needed.
You want to stop this? THEN VOTE UKIP, OTHERWISE, ACCEPT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Not surprised about this at all! It is due to Britain accommodating the rest of the world that the country is in so much debt. Until the government grow some balls and implement new rules regarding new and existing immigrants then the country will just become worse. We need to take note from Australia: No immigrant to claim any benefit for first 5 years living here, must have atleast £20,000 in the bank, must have a job and accommodation organised before arrival, must be able to speak flaunt English and must have qualifications with no criminal record
Disgraceful absolutely disgraceful!! They have just taken my fathers disability benefit from him as they deem him fit to work after having list a leg and having chronic arthritis and pericarditis (heart failure). Good job Britain hope your proud!! Feeling very patriotic NOT!!
U K I P
And THIS is one of the many reasons I'm leaving this country for good! So so sad to see what this country has become...
And again I say they've knocked a few quid off my Dear Lady's pension .....
VOTE UKIP...................you know it makes sense.
while my disabled son has to pay for his council services,same as the elderly do too....yet you can come here and get it for nothing.
ukip
disgraceful!! I'm so glad I work hard and pay my taxes to support those that should be supporting themselves. People, foreign or not seem to want everything given to them. I'm 27 been working since I was 16 use to have three jobs now fortunate to have found one that pays the same but still I worked hard to get here!!! Where is the work ethic... ?? I'm also fortunate to have never used the system either.
Disgusting.Make the benefits less and pay workers more!!
This is a distraction!!! Daily mail wants to throw everyones attention off the syria thing.
We are mugs.
And I wonder who is to blame for that? Both the nasty party and labour, it's a pity the politicians don't go to Syria and do the fighting alone.
leave Europe and kick out the benefit claimants, or stop new arrivals from claiming
Because, Andrew,Aylesbury - our so-called 'governments' simply do what the EU tells them to do. And hand over our taxpayers money for the privilege. Yes, UKIP is the only way to save us.
Its getting tougher and tougher to genuinely be proud you have done a days work and are contributing back to society.
Please lets give ukip a chance everyone. Surely they can't do worse than the treacherous three.
The TV programme Benefits Britain 1949 shows how the welfare system was meant to be run. The rules were still in place when I left school in the 1970s - I was not 'entitled' to claim anything because I hadn't paid anything into the system. Now I've worked for 30+ years, when I was made redundant, because I had savings, all that I was 'entitled' to was contribution based JSA for 6 months. That's it? £70 per week limited to 6 months, after all those years of contributing? It makes me sick that my taxes go to pay for others who have not contributed anything to the pot. I will be voting UKIP as they are the only party I have faith will sort this mess out.
Blar, blar, blar, blar, blar-didde-blar, blar,blar,blar.........lol.
I cant wait to get my degree and leave this country. I' am british born and bred and I hate what this country has turned into
UK residents loose out, Eastern block cash in!!. I can see it, why can't the politicians. Lol!.
It seems that our government can start a war in under 48hours including a full recall of parliament but.....a referendum on supporting/funding the EU and all it's citizens will take years to organise....why is this?
Seems that everyone is increasing their reliance on state handouts.. How has the number of uk residents increased over the last five years. These statistics show nothing.
Surely it is now time to say,nothing is given unless you have paid in for 5 years.This will finally cripple the UK. If this was put into the pension pot there would be less problem with that.No wonder British people get angry with politicians when they do not do anything about this issue. And yes ,no wonder ukip are getting strong.
The guys who died in WWI and WWII died for nothing - this country is a disgrace
More to come from Libya, Egypt and Syria. Thanks to our useless politicians.
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance? - wickidpedear , York, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 06:02.........................Er ! My guess the answer to your question would be a big fat NO.
How stupid are the British government, do we have to be on our knees before they stop giving our money away
This is why there is a housing shortage. This is why the NHS is under pressure. This is why the employment figures are high. This is why we need to build more schools. This is why we need to get out of Europe. This is why etc etc.
In times of economic downturn, immigrants are always the hardest hit so I don't see anything strange in these figures. That equal opportunities form filled for every job application has in many instances worked against immigrants.
Yet again....so much money, and so easy to get without having to pay into the system.....time for a change methinks
Don't be under the impression any of the government care. They are only in it for themselves. And why not.
UKIP !
Look at the third world, no work, no pay, no food, very little debt, Western world, no work, benefit, food, and plenty of Debt???, who is right/ who is wrong?
No - you don't say! And how many people did it take to work this out? Ask any British born tax payer and they could have told you this years ago.
And all that mob who keep calling us lazy Brits and all the other people are all working away 24/7 bit of a wake up call
I bet this is a fraction of the true figures. Makes me want to jump off a cliff...
WHY ???????? WHY ???????? WHY
Remember what Liebor told us its called diversification!
This is a disgrace. I'm voting UKIP. No mud slung at them by the national press will change my mind. Nothing else matters to me other than putting a stop to this madness.
Vote UKIP to end this madness!!
My Friends...READ THIS Article carefully !!!! THIS is sooo wrong...I am all for helping folk....but this exploitation is not right at all..............and they want to launch bombs on Syria !!!! I REALLY despair at MY GOVERNMENT....c'mon wake up Dave and sort this !!!!
I thought they were all working hard for Jamie Oliver
The four years 2008-2012 roughly coincide with the recession so it is to be expected that benefits would rise. Figures for UK citizens should also be shown for comparison.
Another 400,000 votes for UKIP. If they have no right to live in the UK, get their Embassies to pay for a one way ticket home.
You can imagine how really ecstatic I was to read this as when I was made redundant 5 years ago I was not even allowed to claim JSA as, according to the jobcentre, as I was a carer I could not committ to 16 hours a week even though I had actually worked part-time for the prevous 27 years. That left me with an income of £53.00 a week from Carers Allowance - (claiming JSA would have meant another £10.00 a week). Why are people who have lived and worked here all of their lives unable to claim yet people coming from another country can and not just £10.00 a week either but hundreds of pounds?
This little island cannot afford to feed and clothe the world I'm afraid.
Cameron sort this appalling abuse out, never mind Syria or elsewhere in the middle east it is none of our business, get a grip on the home problems that are!
Refuse to pay your taxes! They can't jail us all can they?!?
How come immigrants can claim benefits when i can't claim a full state pension because i took time off work to raise my children.
This is why we have to work till 67 to get a pension!!!! People who have worked all their lives and contributed to the Uks taxes always miss out.
only UKIP have the balls to sort this mess out
This is true, I live in Spain 6months a year, and the system works like this, you can claim benefits for 3 months, then the benefit stops, you then have to work for 10 days and you get another 3 months.The lady next door to us is sweeping the streets , no pay but then gets her benefit back.Now wouldnt that be a good idea for our country.Just to see some of the idle layabouts do something for once.Before anyone jumps up and down I worked for 44 years paying tax , which gives me the right to say this, This system in Spain works no work no benefits, easy.
well fancy that;;;who would have believed it. and all them safeguards in place to stop it. 2 more countries to add to that number soon.
Tax payers revolt and vote UKIP.
400k foreign claimants is nothing compared to the 5.88 MILLION Brits claiming. I bet the majority of the Brits claiming have not worked a day in their life
I work with a Czech guy who claims for five children, all back home. If it is his right , so be it. But when your own people are having benefits reduced and the sick being asked to work. With more people at food banks and pensioners being asked to leave homes that they have lived in all their adult lives, to accommodate families often from overseas, I ask you? Is this fair?
Sorry to say, but U.K.I.P. seems the only option every time I read this Paper.
Successive governments have told us that immigrants do not qualify for automatic benefits. Have they been lying to us? I am shocked! Only one way to prevent the "melt down" of Britain, vote UKIP!
Disgraceful
This makes me so mad!!!!!
My mate has been living in Latvia and Lithuania for nearly ten years now reasons best known to himself, is currently out of work and homeless, and has so far not been able to collect a Euro in social benefits. What with the farce of the European Union; what with Cameron and Hague looking for their 'Falklands' moment, an ever widening gap is opening up between government and the governed. They've cut our armed forces to the bone, and then they want a war? Fiendish logic if you ask me. Nobody could be that stupid without a hidden agenda.
I would like to hear the justifications of those in charge, our so called leaders, for the decisions that they have made over the years that have changed our country so dramatically in such a short space of time. I would also like to know what they intend to to reverse the situation or at least stop it deteriorating further. ALL of the parties involved should hang their heads in shame. I'm all for helping those in need but we cannot solve the problems of the world nor give endless shelter to the less well off from abroad. Our system is rapidly reaching breaking point and our daily lives are becoming more stressfull. Hospitals are full, there are no jobs, the roads are full and there are no houses. Why are the doors still open?
So will they still keep telling us that immigration is good for the economy as if we didn't already know the truth. Please god, when will someone grow a spine and get a grip on this? Depressingly, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is the government giving out handouts to people without british citizenship?
Message to the world come to our country, free education, health, housing and even free money for not working! We must be the laughing stock of the world, pathetic.
This is a surprise !!!! Only to the politicians who do not have the backbone to stop it. They need to act fast before the beleaguered taxpayer takes to the streets. There is only so much we can take. I agree forget about Syria, get a grip on immigration. It has to be the number one top priority, we have had enough.
Don't forget the child benefit paid to those who are working and whose families still live in their home country. Benefits all round - except for the tax-paying Brits. Kerching! Forget being the world's policeman, we're the world's social services.
David Cameron,me thinks should be dealing with the great problems he has here in the UK,including those outlined in this article,rather than meddling in Syria.
Spanish & US benifit rules please don't pay in you can't get out and your not a resident / citizen you don't get given! simples.. Oh and if they must pay them then 1949 rules!!
It simple there should be no pay-outs till they have paid into the system for at least 2 years like Australia and even then the Money they receive should equate to the money they put in. We need to change this country's something for nothing culture to You Only Get Out What You Put In
This is bad enough but what the public deserve to know is exactly how many immigrants who were given British passports during the Blair/Brown years are claiming benefits? And how much does it cost? Hard working, skilled British families are leaving the country in droves and being replaced by unskilled welfare claimants.
How many more foreigners are also paying taxes now though?
The only sensible solution would be a European Union benefit paid to everybody who is a member of the EU, but not a national of that country. Lets say a Hungarian claims benefits in the UK but is disqualified because he has not worked here for a period of 5 years continuous full time work, he then has to apply to the EU benefits office which grants him a pre agreed sum of money while he is actively looking to steal a British persons job. Let the EU be held responsible not the poor British Tax payer who to be frank have enough of their own unemployed to deal with.
Now please tell us how many NON foreigners are claiming and the percentage increase that number represent in the same time period. I suspect another one sided piece of journalism from DM that is designed to breed fear and hatred amongst the readers.
LIES. All the time lies. That's all we get from our leaders. WE NEED UKIP IN TO SORT THIS OUT.
Migration Watch and their 50,000! Have a look at the European Social Statistics publication of July 2013. It forecasts a rise in population of 15 million by 2060. That is 320,000 NET immigration per year every year. Given that migration is about 200,000 per year and therefore must be added back to give a reasonable immigration figure of 500,000 per year. Sorry Migration Watch, you missed out a zero! Think of the effect of this volume of non-U.K. citizens on health, education and social cohesion!
Totally predictable. We all know that many come and work hard for a year or two so they can access the welfare system. Once they have access to the sytem they can milk it dry. Once they are on the gravy train its impossible to get off. I really resent paying taxes to support our own Jeremy Kyle scroungers as well as a new generation of foreign benefits tourists and the situation will get worse next year. Why does our Government continually ignore us, tell us to tighten our belts and then give away our tax savings to people who have no right to it, or keep wasting it on wars that have got nothing to do with us???????????????????????????????????
We are a soft touch country and the cost in years to come will ..cost us dearly... ... Giving away more money every year cannot be sustained... ......That's basic logic...so why vote for our 650 MPs to continue this unregulated hemerage..... Of give away moneys to people that have not contributed from other countries... That is financial suicide ...... This country is sinking in give away self inflicted debt .....by MPs
So that means there's billions that could be saved and spent on more important things like paying the national debt, increase nhs spending, stopping cutting services that are needed, etc. We really do need to stop being a country that let's the world and it's wife walk all over us, close the border and stop payments to people who haven't paid into the system for at least 5 years.
yet,i ...a born and bread brit,who worked and save gets told i'm not entitled to anything as i have too much savings.
If I could stop paying my taxes, I would. I'm sick of being fleeced so that we can give the money to all the lazy benefit scroungers in the UK and now all the immigrants who are jumping on the gravy train!
surprise surprise tell us something we don't know and in the mean time i have to work an additional 6 years before i get my pension by which time i will have worked for 50 years that's fair NOT
Contrast this with Indians not 'Asians' you will find a tiny tiny minority claiming benefits. Easily the most successful immigrant community in the UK. Immigration has its benefits if you offer everything on the plate to people where is the incentive to work and get on. Scroungers think we are mugs but now we are international mugs for everyone to exploit.
Nigel, HELP!
The problem isn't just the immigration policies it is the state handouts let's base them on income and limit the years
We give them so much aid, but they still come here to earn benefits. Maybe government should be asking themselves if the aid that they give to these countries is being used appropriately.
Stop the welfare! If you have two arms and two legs you can work! That's how it is in Singapore! No welfare there they HAVE to work!
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first - earl b, Birmingham Here here!!
And don't forget to add foreign aid to all this.
Get out of this country, take your wealth with you, and leave the festering mess behind for the Labour party and their band of idealistic incompetents to carry on funding, in ever growing numbers and costs. The Labour party wants the entire world to become as poor as the poorest person in the world - it's their underlying aim.
As long as seriously ill and disabled British people who have paid tax and National insurance have their benefits taken away or denied though, ay, Mr Duncan-Smith?
EU rules are absolutely clear on this. You only have the right to stay in another EU country if you have work or are seriously seeking, and have a prospect of, finding work. That gives you a window of only three months to stay in a country. It is NOT about going to the EU country paying the most generous benefits. The rules are there to be enforced and other EU citizens who do not meet these requirements can be deported. Why is Britain not doing this, as several other EU countries actually DO?
Why do immigrants who haven't worked and are on benefits qualify for citizenship? Surely one of the requirements ought to be that they are contributing something worthwhile to this country, not helping to drain it dry.
My mother worked hard all her life,had to give up work because of ill health,she was refused benefits said she wasn't entitled, I would like to know how migrants can get it,and the dwp say the system is fair.
Sigh. What did we expect.What an unholy mess.
ok no problem, as we have paid money out in benifits to europian citi-zens, deduct it from what we have to pay into the europian slush fund soon we wont pay a peny in... :)
What happened to we welcome all immigrants as they contribute to the economy ?,another Government lie. Many just take with no intention of doing anything else,but then the ordinary,common sense people of the UK have known this for years. Labour have always encouraged immigration, Conservatives make timid attempts to control it,but in the end our masters in the EU will decide UK policy as usual. Bow to Angela or vote for a party who will so something,the choice is ours.
Send a bill to Brussells. All EU countries should have to declare how much they are paying in benefits to foreign nationals - Britain will be street ahead. We should get a rebate - we could call it the Common Benefits Policy - and should be paid back by Brussells for the scroungers coming here from other EU countries. If you are unemployed in the EU you should have to return to your native land to be unemployed there - and NOT a burden on a host country. Simple.
No surprises there then, this continuous "leaking" of rate payers money will finally bancrupt this Country and the people who actually paid into the system wll receive nothing. It was so predictable that it shames the the so called "leaders " of this once great and thriving Country who have contributed to its inevitable downfall.
Sorry rickyo, charleston. I didnt mean to red down your comment, slip on the finger. If it allowed me I would have green arrowed up one thousand times for your comment!!
No benefits, no housing, no free NHS, problem solved because they won't come here but a quicker solution would be to get us out of Europe and close the borders. Vote UKIP Vote UKIP
to all the the people who were red arrowed about the Inland Revenue worker claiming tax credits, this is why I understood what you were saying and green arrowed your comments. If it ain't money being wasted on MPs its this and if you are willing to take back what you've 'paid in' why not? These people will never contribute but are on this lovely gravytrain for life!
400'000. being given handouts, with no medical by atos and no need to find a job because it will infringe their human rights, all at the top of the housing list with huge grants to furnish the place, but if your a born and bread Brit, then you have no hope, even the dead are told to go to work by atos because they are under trained bafoons with no idea. This country is now a complete lost cause and neither UKIP or anyone will be able to save her if this government carrys on the way it is. However you the public can take a stand.
Vote Ukip its as simple as ABC
I got out of the UK seven years ago...Thank god!!
Thanks Blair
Yeah they are really making a difference to British society!!! What we do without them her claiming welfare!! After all isn't it their human right to claim benefits from the British
I am surprised it took DM such a long time to publish this story. Probably you kept too busy with the celebrity (most of them self acclaimed) hook up and break ups. To me this this is the biggest problem at present and poses threat as the best economy destroyer in future. Sad part is that that this issue is last on any polotical party's agenda being directly affecting their vote bank. However if not tackled now will ruin the country. The country is slowly dividing into two classes- one who earn and pay taxes and the other that takes it away as benefits. The earlier shrinking in size. I have no motivation to work harder for myself as it indirectly for the leeches that the benefit system helps. There is this system called benefit tourism where people from all these EU countries are encouraged to settle in UK due to its generous benefit systems. Pathetic !!
....SEND THE BILL TO TONY BLAIR.
Wow, who'd have thought that would happen!
I agree with Earl, lets concentrate on the UK Mr Cameron. Tighter security on the ports. Stricter immigration policies and certainly if a crime is committed then deportation a certainty after sentence.
No doubt the BBC and Ch4 will report this as "Good News"
this is just great what a country the MP's have made for us punish the old and disabled but lets give away money to those who have never paid into the system
We need to do away with our political system and put in place people who have no political affiliation to run the country. These career politicians have destroyed Britain in the last thirty years.
This figure will rocket from January 2014, with the money they can get on benefit it just isn't worth some people working. They will be on benefit for years, never contributing only taking.
This will not be sorted because this government is out of touch with reality taking as many holidays per year as poorer people take baths due to water rate charges AND they do not live cheek by jowl or shop in the same areas as these immigrants do therefore they are not affected in anyway .They trot out the same old spiel changes will be made to how many are allowed into this country, WHAT about the ones that are here ?. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CUTTING BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.
hang on...arent all immigrants hard working and all brits lazy according to idiots like jamie oliver? blows that stupid argument out the water. oh, and these are goverment figures so the true number is probably two to three times that.......
I have no idea why foreigners even want to come to UK anymore. I would leave if I could afford to
You mean there not all working while the lazy english prefer to be at home watching skye and drawing benefits well well, and this is news eh!!! Well not to me or anyone else who have to live in the real world who are blessed with even half a brain, may i suggest that maybe the sheer numbers of both legal and illegal are not doing us any good, has it occured to any of our elected leaders that we would not have a housing crisis or shortage of REAL jobs or the N.H.S at breaking point or the benefit system in chaos and so on and so on. There is only so much cake you can share until you have to accept less and less until there is nothing left for anyone .
So? Britain must pay back all it stole during the Empire.
Worked all my life and never claimed. So kind of me to provide money for immigrants!!!
Not surprising really, consecutive governments have totally failed on immigration and welfare. But how could Labour have been so foolish to have allowed this situation to occur in the first place!
If you are in Switzerland and from the EU if you lose your job you can claim until your contributions run out. Then your visa is withdrawn and you have to leave. Makes sense to me
What will it take to stop half the World, with no connection to the UK, coming here to live off the current taxpayers?
Defo need to get out of the EU and put a stop to being the easy ride for these people...
The article somewhat neglects to mention that to be eligible for benefits in the UK any non-UK nationals have to prove both residency and that they are registered as a WORKER. (Residency meaning they live here and either pay rent or own a home, and registered as a worker meaning are either working or looking for work. So they are contributing to the UK just as much as anyone else.)
when i left school you could not get any benefits until you had worked for a year so why is it anybody can walk into this country and get it ,we spend billions on foreign aid to most of these countries what is not passed on to the people so then they come here to get it ,stop the foreign aid and use it to pay for this unholy mess that were in and get rid of all the overbloated overseas aid civil servants who cry we must keep helping them but are afraid that their cushy jobs with all the trips abroad would end
So are they stealing our jobs or only coming here to claim benefits? Make your mind up!
So why does the government keep telling us the the foreigners aren't allowed to claim and aren't getting a penny. More lies.
Never mind Syria.....we need need to sort out our own mess....
Maybe Jamie Oliver will employ them all .
It's our fault not controlling immigration
And you wonder why all other services get cut, you cannot have such an influx without it costing somewhere.
Maybe allowed for 6 months and if not got job by then they have to leave country !!!!
Only in UK!! Benefits should be for UK citizens only. This country is a joke when it comes to benefits.
These migrants have no right to work in UK, but get the right to earn benefits. That is back to front for me.
why do we allow this, if your not a british citizen then you shouldnt be allowed to claim benefits...its not hard to grasp is it...go to the job center, show your passport, no passport, no benefits. 1 year with no work and no valid reason for it, benefits stop. simple
Always looking to involve "Africans". Your problem is the flood of Eastern Europeans who have come here mainly to claim free cash that come here freely without any restrictions not Africans. I don't know why this government can't just own up to the fact that they made a mistake with this whole EU thing instead of making Africans and Asians a scape goat...kmt. Red arrow all you like; it doesn't affect me.
This makes me sick... my 21 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in January, subsequently having surgery then radical radiotherapy and he's been denied any kind of benefits and he IS a British citizen!!! As much as he wants to finish school and get a job, he can't.
...and what about the massive increase from Asia/Middle East?
406,000 out of millions and millions. Pales when you consider how much is being paid out to Nationals. As of Febuary of 2013, there were 5.7 million working age benefit claimants. 1.59 million people claiming Employment and Support Allowance. The number of working age claimants of ESA and incapacity benefits totalled 2.48 million. 505,000 lone parents claiming Income Support. 12.8 million claimants of State Pension, of these 40% were male and 60% female. 2.46 million claimants of Pension Credit (3.00 million including partners). 3.30 million recipients of Disability Living Allowance, 1.52 million recipients of Attendance Allowance and 631,000 recipients of Carer's Allowance. Finaly, as of May 2013, the total number of people claiming Housing Benefit was 5.07 million. So I'm not so bothered about 406,000 immigrants, we wouldn't really notice if they stopped claiming...
Solution: everyone has to work for a living. Why do people think that a welfare state is a good thing?
Don't tell our Prime Minister he's to busy trying to get backing to wage war.
The is ridiculous, the only way to stop this problem is to say that anyone entering this country has to support themselves and their families for five years before they are entitled to health, housing or any other kind of benefits. Stop the benefits to people who have been here for less than five years. I know it would be hard and a lot of money would be spent sending anyone home who could not support themselves but we have got to start looking out for ourselves.
Sounds like UKIP is your only hope.
Government has got to sort this - why should British people pay taxes for this?
I don't understand how so many are getting benefits, I am from Canada and have been here 2 years and my spousal visa says directly on it " not entitled to recourse of benefits..." or something to that degree. So how are so many other foreigners getting them? We had to show all our finance and prove we were able to live without claiming (partner is a teacher, I am at moment a stay at home mum) I just don't get it... even job seekers here, how long are you allowed on it? back home when I got laid off I was entitled to my Employment insurance benefit, which I paid into, for only 24 weeks then new job or not tough it ended. Why allow people to remain on benefits indefinitely when they are not ill or disabled? It's nonsensical. *stepping down from soapbox*
If you can claim without paying in, and you allow uncontrolled immigration to people with no jobs, any 6 year old could tell you the system will collapse. Ditto the health service. It is no good blaming fully paid up pensioners.
Hands up all those who think we're better off financially within the EU.
None of the major parties have the will or the courage to tackle this problem and they will just continue to give handouts to foreigners,who should not be entitled to them,indefinately,at the expense of their own people.
Polish neighbour said that he's back off to live in Peterborough next week "because the council are more generous with their benefits". U.K.I.P.
Its astonishing how many people I know are turning to UKIP.They are our only hope before things end up turning really ugly. Brits have had enough.
Its rather simple find work in 6 weeks or leave!!! Vote ukip.
NO!....DO YOU THINK....!
The amount coming in January will run into thousands more for us the British tax payer to keep.welcomed into our country by Cameron who assures us all that its making our country a better place. Cameron is akin to Nero, Fiddling while the country burns. Cameron is destroying the Tory party and that's why we are flocking to UKIP. It's our last and only hope.
This is complete madnesses and its only going to get worse. I've never been able to claim a single penny even though I've paid into it all my life...
JClarke3012, South West, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 03:22 How do you know they will put an end to it? Didnt tories claim to deal with the immigration issue- nothing done. This is all labours doing!
We live in a country where people get paid for doing nothing and you wonder why people from other countries want to get in on the act. But Bob Geldoff has got his wish UK is now feeding the world or at least giving benefits to the world.
Just stop, yes stop, none, nil, no more payments for until we can 1. Afford it & 2.have a system we can reply on for benefits. It would stop, in an instant, whoever tries to claim for the wrong reasons!
And whays wrong with thay.Its what liebour wanted so lets live with it.I enjoy working 50 hours a week to pay for handouts.Time to sell up and go on the rock and role myself and reep the benefits.
And our inept bloody useless Government allows it to go on and on and on ............................. UKIP for me to stop this country been the toilet of the mighty EU
I still don't understand why we won't receive any benefits abroad but we just and give. Even though I don't one voter wants it. Thanks guys
B-b-b-but this MUST be wrong , because the Left has been telling us for years how much immigrants help the economy. Oh , hang on - could it possibly be that the DM article is CORRECT and that it's the Left who have lied through their teeth ? Hmmm.....
Kinda kills that whole immigrants are "harder working" myth doesn't it?
Come on people!! If Britain is a rich or strong country, it's because of Africa. Read the terrible history and find out what they have done and still doing to Africa.from the vibration on our mobile phones to the crown on our beloved queens head and many more... Say whatever you want to say to immigrants from other countries but not AFRICANS!!!
The next election can't come soon enough - for the sake of our children please vote UKIP.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder , HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 02:35 --------------- Failed system indeed! It seems the poor British tax payer is subsidising large areas of the world together with immigrants from those same parts of the world, together with the immigrants from Europe. All of this would change dramatically if Britain had the good sense to rid itself of the infamous EU. The whole set up is a disaster.
And you people will still vote at the next election. DON'T VOTE!!!! When will you learn? Bobby, Leicester
No surprise there. Why go and get a job when the benefits system is so lucrative and you can sit and watch tv all day. The benefit system in this country encourages people to do nothing.
if you add dependents it is a huge amount of money we spend on immigration.Cant we just stop importing the low skilled from the four corners of the earth (and maybe offer incentives to those that will never be beneficial to go back)
Yeah and how many pensioners can't afford to eat or it their heating on in winter- this country is a disgrace! Stop letting people who haven't paid into the system claim.
It's so wrong because my friend moved here from Canada, she had to prove she had enough money to survive if she lost her job, enough money for a flight home... when she did lose her job through redundancy she wasn't entitled to any benefits and yet these people come over here and become a massive drain on the system...
Tell us something we didn't know. You see them walking around the streets all the time. There is no way they could support themselves without taxpayers assistance. They are clogging up the schools, clogging up the housing, clogging up the hospitals and drive on our roads without passing an UK driving test. Vote UKIP.
The British Tax Payer is a mug!
We need to get out of the EU
UKIP.
We cannot afford to keep on paying this money out. We MUST impose the sort of rule that was used when our welfare society was first established. If you have not paid in for a significant time then you get nothing!
I resent these payments to the people who have never contributed a single penny towards the welfare system. I am 71 and still work full time and pay my dues!
One years NI contribution and they can have a pension unlike us who are penalised if we don,t put in forty years.
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once. DM please release my comments!!!!! its been 3 tries!!!
I was talking to a spanish guy the other day and i was asking him how come he moved to the UK if he liked it here and stuff like that. He said he had a job in Spain that pays him €1,500 a month plus his wife was working full time as well, they have two children. He said if he could get benefits he would stick around as life here would be "easier", if he didn't he would go back and take his old job and keep working. So is not only Romanian that's ruining the system, take a good look and stop being so racist! In my opinion only British people should get housing benefits, immigrants WHO PAYS TAKES should have limited access to it so no one would take advantage of it and they would stop breeding and asking for benefits.
British passport holders only should get benefits, and only those that have paid tax for a minimum of 5years. Put this billions saved into education and health services, housing and transport
Here's an idea DM, quit reporting the obvious that we all pretty much know and that way the hard working people who have to go to work early in the morning while all the lay abouts are still in bed waiting for re-runs of jeremy kyle dont have to feel miserable everyday thinking there going to work for nothing?
It will go our headstone " The UK was Generous but stupid"
Things will only get worse untill we have UKIP in government.
Oh well never mind, according to Cameron there is still enough left in my hard earned pockets to fund another war too, I must be richer than I even knew.
Wait until the floodgates open in 2014
Really ? ..... Well that for eign work-ethic argument didn't last long, did it ?
And you are surprised that we British are sick of working to pay taxes to keep these people who have put 0 into the system. Maybe we have become lazy because of this.
Cameron sits in his Ivory Tower planning air strikes while Britain sinks, This is not what I have paid taxes for all my life and will be voting UKIP. No one should get a penny unless paid into the system.
Do away with benefits to anyone not born in Britain. Yes you can come and live/work here. But dont expect a handout. If you pay tax for 3 years you can even use the NHS as long as you conitye in work. Otherwise you must carry private insurance. Until we say no the rot will continue.
It is only right that if people qualify they get benefits. The same benefits are there for you too, should you ever have the mis-fortune to require them.
Come on - make your mind up - one minute they're taking all our jobs and Jamie Oliver wouldn't have any restaurants without them, and the next minute they're all workshy scroungers? Have a careful look at where these supposed stats come from before making your judgement...
This is the war on our doorstep we should be fighting.
Just a short and (in)sincere thankyou to Tony Bliar from the bottom of my stomach for his generosity and kindness in allowing in 'anyone and everyone' from the A8 countries at a time when pretty much every other EU state said "No!" Bliar you are a traitor to this country and your party... but I gather the JP Morgan salary more than makes up for it eh? were you not part of the establishment you would have been in the Hague a long time ago!!
What have the public been saying ?! Yet, STILL, they allow those who come here to live can claim benefits and allowances without having put one penny into ''the pot'' ! Time to stop this unfair nonsense which is destroying this , once, lovely country.
Are the same payments offered to British citizens living in other countries in the EU, I don't think so, Britain is the laughing stock of the World.
It's absolutely disgraceful! It amazes me that everyone wonders why this country is going to pot. This is obviously the main reason. The system is being abused by immigrants and we the honest taxpayers are just sitting back and watching it happen and so is our government. Something needs to be done and fast as this is getting out of control and will only lead to trouble and unrest eventually. UKIP needs to be given a chance. Let's face it nobody could do any worse than this awful lot that are governing now.
open borders and soft politicians. don't ya just love em.
Well what a shock.... NOT! Blair said this would never happen and we all said it would and he called us racist so that the conversation could never be had and the problem brushed under the carpet.... he should be tried for treason
This has got to be stopped
I'm African and marjority of us works we came here to better ourselves and as soon as I get to where I want I'm going back as this country is a JOKE!!! the more you work you get taxed but the lazy you are you get rewarded.... Tbh UK people your country fellow men and woman are the ones you need to concentrate on cause without foreigners working their backsides off this country is going down and very fast as I've never seen lazy people that moan and moan about nothing in my life!!!! So get it right you need foreigners!!!!
At first I started to write to complain about this sorry mess our previous and present leaders have dragged this once great nation down to, but whats the use, nobody in our government is listening or give a rats a*rse in what I have to say. I'm sitting back now and WAITING, waiting for the next general election when I and many others like me can have our say and change the face of this country for the better, for the future of out grandchildren -UKIP
There is no greater pleasure then spending other peoples's money!
Tell us something we didn't already know! Despite what the government presumes, we are not complete fools!
Please don't keep printing stories like this DM. Because it really makes my blood boil and ruins my day and there's nothing I can do about it.
So lets get involved in another war to take the focus off immigration and what will happen in Jan 2014 !!!!!!
Overheard a group of immigrants at a local boot sale the other week one couple had bumped into another and their newborn baby. The first couple then said your ok now you've had a baby you will get to stay you wont be sent home. The UKs gone mad..... even immigrants know how to work the system and we are too PC to do a thing about it.
Coming to light now just what damage Liebour did when in power!
How come these people are allowed to walk in and pick up cash, here in OZ its 2 years after entering the country as a legal immigrant that you can get anything in benefits.
Another example of why I will be voting UKIP. get these people out of our country so we can look after our own.
So pleased that myself & my partner both have the pleasure of full time jobs and each have second jobs as we desperately try to save a deposit so we can buy our 1st house and then consider starting a family. Thank you so much dear government for allowing us the privilege of supporting so many people who have not added to our economy & thank you again for not giving a rats behind about us hard working uk tax payers. Would you like some of my blood too?
Really, sarcasm will not help.
Are we surprised? I'm so fed up of all this - I ask myself why do I bother working? The whole system is a joke - bring back the system from 1949!! UKIP are coming in......
I am sick of paying huge taxes to give a cushy life to work shy Brits and scrounging foreigners. So I'm moving to Oz where I'll get to keep more of my hard earned money. Britain is ruining itself with its lax laws.
Just what we wanted to read before going off to work to pay more tax to subsidise these scroungers! Send them back!
They should not be allowed in unless they have a job to come to and the employer pays sufficient to support that person fully. No family in unless the worker fully supports them and they have to leave when contract ends. If they do not enter the country legally then no benefit. Can we go to France looking for work and get housed free NO.
It is all too easy to get the state to support and pay for entire existance. Generally those that are prepared to work will receive little or even nothing at all, as they will most likely have have the determination and own personal respect to sort them selves out. When my wife was made redundant a month before giving birth, we where given nothing. Once we had the baby we receved state funded paternety pay, and nothing more. We where told that we could not get working tax credits or anything else for that matter. As my sallary was over £33,000 we where denied everything. Our Despite our mortgage being over £1200 a month, leaving us just £600 a month to pay for every thing else. Out out goings where £200 a month more then i was bringing in. We have both worked our entire adult lives, never claiming a thing and both paying both tax and NI for over 35 years between us. As i said, those who need a little help will always get an answer off no.
we have to start to encourage these people to go back to where they come from, not entice them here with free handouts, the sooner we leave the EU the better.
And I always thought we Brits were smart. Wrong!
When is this crass stupidity going to stop?
As one Bulgarian said to me 'the UK is golden land!` says it all really. The Government are on cloud cuckoo land as in January there will be many more claiments to add to the hundreds of thousands already claiming.
Madness Total Madness........Lunatics running the Asylum!!
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once.
Makes me weep, we are fast losing services our children's futures are not secure, no housing for them, failing health service and education. Our pensions will be the next to be affected I've said or years if you've paid into a private pension to top up your government one you WILL lose your state pension as there will not be enough money. They will say you have to live on your private one as there is not enough money to pay for ones who have not either worked or saved for their retirement. Hard workers are on a hiding to nothing.
What a pity the Government cannot show the same enthusiasm on immigration control as it has for Syria where sabre rattling goes on at a high level, with costs already mounting. really what is wrong with British Politics ??
Anyone surprised by this news I doubt it.
Would I be able to claim benefits in these countries? No, I wouldn't. So why does this government think it's OK to spend OUR taxes on benefits for people who have never paid into the system? We cannot afford to keep the world and his mother in benefits.
While many of these have the right to claim benefits due to their coming from Commonwealth countries, there are many more from outside the Commonwealth. Having said that,neither group should have an automatic right and this must end now. We cannot afford it, and it only encourages greater immigration, which is damaging to this country. We have been a soft touch for far too long. The percentage by which the benefits bill has risen due to immigration is astonishing and must not be allowed to rise any further.
and they state the english young are lazy , what they talkin about
Wrong!
Our politicians must think every taxpayer in the UK has fool stamped on their forehead.{I don't mean fool really I'm being polite.
Why the hell are so many from Asia and the Middle East claiming benefits here?
been in UK for twenty yrs from Kenya. I always worked and paid my taxes. why can't this mess be sorted?
From the International Health Service to a International Benefits System, no wonder we are broke!
Don't understand why immigrants are eligible at all (or have free access to schools or NHS). There should be a suitable period and/or amount of employment/earning/tax paying before having access to pulic funds and services. This means come with private health insurance, have a secure job, and send your kids to a fee paying school. If conditions are breached after arrival, then go home or get a friend/family member to pay. I massively resent paying any amount of tax to subsidise health, welfare, and education of those who will never be a net-contributor to our economy.
Oh yes. And that figure most likely dosnt include the cost to the tax payer via the NHS and free education. I feel angry that genuine benefit claimants from is country are being stigmatised by the government for costing so much money and our elderly and disabled are suffering hugely when a large proportion of the problem is outlined in this report. Just disgusting.
We owe these people NOTHING.
These facts are truly unbelievable. Disgusting. Why Why Why are we paying these migrants "benefits" ?? These migrants governments won't pay them these "benefits". If I go to Poland, for example, I will not be able to claim "benefits", so why can Poles and other migrants come to UK and claim ? Millions of UK citizens are really struggling to keep their heads above water, yet, as quoted, billions is leaking out the back door.
I lived and worked in several overseas countries at no time was I entitled to any benefits in any of those places at any time.
@MH414.....totally agree with you. This is what I can't understand. Get one family member in and hey ho....
this government attacks our own sick,disabled, poor and pensioners and then give it all to parasites flooding this country with more to come next year.
From abroad - not working and claiming benefits? Then you must be removed and sent back to your home country ASAP. No 'human rights' rubbish or other silly edicts from the rubbish in Strasbourg - just get out!
WHY DO WE LET THEM DO THIS?! IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!
This is why we will be voting for UKIP A BRITISH PARTY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE we want our country back, and we will get it back......
When is any uk government going to stand up?Enough is enough.
And then there are the countrymen and women who work hard all their lives and put into the system non stop only to find they have eye watering hurdles to jump over when they, through no fault of their own, do have to use the system. These are the people who are entitled to use the system but the system fails relentlessly!! And then the government wonders why people are so angry...they haven't got a clue!!
Since we also have to pay housing and other benefits to non-uk "workers" on un-employment benefit, it would be cheaper to encourage them to go back home by continuing the un-employment benefit when they have gone. Cheaper still, just pay them the benefit back in Eastern Europe so they don't have to come here in the first place. We could estimate how many people will need it, and just send it over.
just wait until next year
Oh these must be the immigrants we need To boost the economy and pay the pensions of the retired!!!
Get out of the EU, dump human rights laws and vote UKIP or continue down this road. When the money in the coffers gets too low under Liblabcon our old age pensioners will have their money taken but this lot will still get theirs.
It's a joke. Nobody should be claiming any sort of benefits, not unless they have made a sizeable contribution to the pot. And we wonder why we are short of money. Not blaming immigrants, but it has certainly not helped out our own situation. We are set to do this all over again come Jan 2014. The majority will find work, the majority will pay taxes, but again there will be percentage forced on to benefits, and those that do work will get all the standards benefits of being in the UK, free schools, doctors, hospitals and other services. It all costs more and more money.
This proves that immigration brings only good things to the country. Well, as far as DWP staff are concerned who now have good old jobs for life again dealing with all these claims!
Time we dealt with it properly, no qualifications we want , no entry ! The problem will only escalate unless we get tough. Furthermore please remember a lot of these migrants travel across several European borders to get here. Still word is still out there that the UK is a soft touch !
I throught that charity begins at home. Lets see what spin that Mr C can come up with.
It appears to suit someone's political agenda - wait till the bubble bursts!
wish I were a foreigner in my own Country, I'd probably have more success with my benefit claim. I'd certainly be entitled to various different benefits and free courses if I was. That is my experience.
Now there's a superise
Meanwhile the state retirement age increases from 65 to 66 then quickly to 68 cos we can't afford to pay thepension. For who''ve worked for years but due to the kind of work and / or slight congenital illnesses / disabilities can't continue, even in apart time job because of their medical condition the futures very bad. If over a life time you saved at least £16k you get no financial support from the state. You are required to live off your savings until they run dry or the state pension becomes payable. For the aged with disabilities the future is not good. You'll work whilst you're in pain , then your employer will sack you when you can't do your job, then the state will squeeze you some more until you're broke financially, physically and mentally ... you'll be left to die in poverty because you were unlucky not to be born as physicaly strong as others or sustained injuries working! Meanwhite, those who've never paid into the system take all that you've paid in? How can this
Don't get me started..........
Nobody who hasn't paid into the system for x amount of years should be able to claim.
How can an illegal immigrant claim benefits?! That just sums this country up! A bloody joke!
Every man and his dog can claim and the UK is fast disappearing down the toilet.
No matter what evidence emerges, our politicians seem oblivious to the fact that immigration is NOT good for the UK. There is a simple solution and that is to stop all immigration now and stop payment of benefits to any illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants should receive no benefits unless they have worked here for a minimum of 5 years. Unless our politicians take positive action now then our whole benefits system will simply be crushed by the ever increasing numbers of claimants.
"Number of foreigners claiming UK benefits leaps 41% in 5 years: More than 400,000 now handed payouts that cost taxpayers billions each year." Well, well, well, who would have thought it, foreigners coming here to claim benefits. Come on Cable, grow a pair, come on Cameron, Clegg, Harman, Cooper, Blunkett, Straw and Balls, get some and stop this ludicrous insistence that foreigners all come here to work and instead once a foot is in the door they bring over the rest of their family or even families. All politicians were warned about this situation time and again over the last decade and longer but they all turned a deaf ear. Get a grip of immigration instead of following the PC brigade and their line.
Can I have a tax rebate please. The only benefits either myself or my ex wife claimed were a small amount of tax credit and child benefit. My children are out in the world supporting themselves and have been since they were 18 and none of us have been a burden on the NHS. As a single man living on my own I think if I lost my job, the chances of me ever being able to claim anything like the amount of benefits being paid to foreigners is very unlikely. I shall be voting UKIP because I am fed up of being taken for a ride by self serving politicians who have nothing but their own interests at heart.
Hang on, I thought they had a magnificent work ethic, and that they had come here to work and do the jobs the lazy British won't do. Isn't that what the Thought Police have been telling us? Now we see that not ony have they de-valued our job market, but they are quite happy to caim benefits paid for by the lazy British for the lazy British. As predicted by all but the most greedy employers and our strangely disconnected succession of governments, mass imigration is resulting in abuse and fracture in our society.
UK becoming America?
ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
To describe our politicians as misguided, deluded, incompetent, PC idiots would be the understatement of the century. And they are doing WHAT to fix this mess?
And yet the government still pedals the same myth that immigrants pay more in than they take out, if they know how many then they should be able to tell us how they are paying out and should publish the full cash amount per year of how much they are paying out, they will not as there will be uproar.
What a joke! How has this happened. I just don't understand this country. They are quite happy to continue to ruin us.
And this clown we have will do nothing to stop it he wants to go to war instead of getting our own country's problems sorted out.
Over to you Cameron, are we to hear more talk or see some action? I think I know what it will be as does everyone else.
We told you so and keep telling you. No wonder they all want to come here. Is it really necessary to say it? Vote UKIP!
It's all OK because Tony Bliar is going to foot the bill for all his little Darlings
No no no no! You should have to pay taxes for AT LEAST 1 year before you're eligible to claim benefits as an immigrant!!!
Cameron is doing nothing to stop it at all. Vote UKIP or we are doomed!
Thank you bLIAR!!!
And back in the real world British disabled are being forced back to work by a French company just to save money for the government. How many foreign disability claimants are being told to return to work or even start work for the first time. I can tell you, none. The government don't want to be called racist but its ok to attack our own who have paid taxes for years. Time this was looked at.
Don't worry, still a drop in the Ocean compared to the billions paid to British citizens!!!
Sorry regardless of what our EU friends say that we must pay the same benefits to all EU migrants living and working over here. You should have to pay in for at least 5 years to even start drawing any benefits.. I will also voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess..
and still they only target /demonise british claimants as feckless scroungers whilst paying not born/bred here people fortunes to come here to live ,cut the benefits to non brits they will soon stop arriving what can our blind politicians not see ?
Total reform is needed, the system is close to collapse. Time to have a flat rate payment which is payed in proportion to the number of years contributions, from say ten years contributions 100% to no contributions zero.
And our woolly political class do nothing. They wonder why we hate them - there is no money for our own and we have enough lazy people who could work. So that is why I shall be voting UKIP the only party that is addressing this and many more things our little posh boys (all three) have no idea about.
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
If it is made so easy for them to claim benefits, who can blame them?. There are many immigrants that now work in the areas that dispense these hand outs i.e. dole, NHS, immigration dept., ,local council etc. etc. etc., do you not think they are not assisted or even fast tracked to handouts????????. COME ON UK. WAKE UP STOP BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
UK, Social Services provider for the rest of the World. What the hell are our Politicians and Civil Servants playing at. Disgusted. I,m definitely voting UKIP!
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
People that come into the Uk should be able to support themselves , not the British taxpayer
What a mess our country is in, I dread to think what our country will be like in 10 years time, we are swamped with people who should not be here, why does the goverment not listed to the people who pay their wages
More fool you lot...
Nice to see where my taxes are going, rather than funding better schools, health care and social security for workers and decent pension schemes.
We need to make it harder to get benefits we can't continue like this!
Hey you all must be wrong, leftys keep telling us that migrants are really good for our economy, after all there answers are always right as they get it from divine intervention.....Oh no wait... we are in the real world. I despise the left
Dumping Ground for illiterate and unskilled labour
Ha Ha now charge who for these mistakes
Words fail me.
And what about housing and the NHS. Bleeding our country dry vote ukip at all opportunities
Why?
This is a disgrace it seems working for a living is now out of fashion
Labour don't want a cap on benefits, benefits should be paid to those who pay into the system.
This goverment doesn't care as long as its not effecting them, let them keep coming more people that come even if they are here just for freebies they are potential voters.
It can be stopped......just change the rules. Make Britain great again rather than let it slip further down the drain. First call......stop child benefit, we do not need to encourage families to have more children. This is only adding to our huge bills and making future generations of families face child poverty while irresponsible adults breed for funding their lifestyles. Start this from today for all new additions. Our system is far too generous, workers and tax payers should not be responsible for lax birth control by others nor should those in power encourage this.
Why, why, why?
Infuriates me so much. We looked at emigrating to Australia but didn't have the skill set to get in there despite my husband having a good job over here. A different story in the UK we let anytime over and then pay them benefits too. This country is going to rack and ruin.
Told you so, it was on the cards.Everbody knows what a soft touch the British welfare system is. Could that be the reason that we have a problem with mass illegal immigration.
UKIP anyone?
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
No wonder there is a queue to get here and why the country's finances are out of control.
Look at the figures and look at the lumping of areas together, or in the case of the eu, seperating them.. you can see the biggest spongers are Europeans on our system. Asia and the Middle East are huge compared to Europe. Out of the eu and we could save billions.. in benefits alone!
So the truth is out, this is the real reason my wife has to wait until she is 66 to get her pension. We are a joke the scum of the world come here & hold their hand out for benefits whilst tax payers who have worked all their lives pay for it. I'll be voting UKIP.
Ok so most of it is Middle East and Asia maybe just maybe get someone to check whether every single of that claimants is legally here and if not buy them ticket home. Surely gonna be cheaper then all benefits they claim
Well Britain will not be a Great Britain in the future. We will be a poor country. We can't afford to sustain the whole of Europe and beyond! I can't understand why we ever joined the EEU - I think it was to be milked dry! We should be more like America.
And the Government wonders why our country is in such a mess! This country is seen as a joke to the free loaders, no matter where they are from.
And yet our hard-earned money is pumped abroad by Cameron to despots and other countries who don't even want our money. Whenever UK's 'foreign aid' is mentioned it makes me feel sick that our cash is being squandered when there are cancer patients we refuse to treat on cost-basis, firestations being disbanded, roads pitted with huge holes, a crumbling (International)HS..... We are funding millions of people from abroad, either in our tiny country or their dependents abroad as this article states. It's an absolutely diabolical state of affairs, looking after others when we can ill afford to.
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
And we wonder why we're in a mess. Yet when my husband was off sick for 3 months we couldn't get a penny because I worked 20 hours and they didn't care I had 2 children to care for. We look after everyone but our own.
no no NO. Immigrants come here to work, and only take the jobs we do not want to take, remember?? After all, our politicians couldn't be lying to us about that.....COULD THEY?
Your comments: The champagne socialists are MUGS.
we going to have another war soon so we got plenty of money.
This country has turned into a cess pit and the previous goverments should be held for treason
This is ridiculous. You should not be allowed into this country unless you can support yourself. Why should you be able to come here and have everything paid for you? And education should not be free unless you pay tax! Britain is actually hilarious how ridiculous it is.
So that's where all the tax pay in every month goes to.
And like the mugs we are we continue to be slaves to HMRC and the bigger mugs in parliament know it but cannot conjure up a mechanism to stop it. What creatures of habit we are. Whilst we work , work, work and pay, tax, tax ,tax these intruders grab, grab, grab all they can. And a good percentage can't even behave as they soak it all up
So come on left wing liberals.......defend this please? We are always told by the BBC and others that immigration has a positive effect on the UK economy and that we couldn't function without it. Well we could do without the huge benefits bill that they generate for starters!
Small amount compared to the amount of benefits claimed by MPs and civil servants pensions.
If migrants become unemployed within five years of coming here, they should either find alternative work immediately or go home. No benefits for them before they've paid in for five years minimum.
EU immigrants, well, we signed up for that, and lots of Brits are in EU countries. If they don't give out such generous benefits, that's our stupidity, not theirs. But WHY are any Africans at all in the UK? Stop ALL benefits to anybody who has not WORKED for a minimum of five years in the UK, and watch the boats fill up...
Your comments:how are these people eligible is beyond me
So although east europeans are working, most jobs are low paid so we the taxpayer top up their wages with other benefits. Therefore the employers are paying them low wages which we the taxpayer have to also fund so we the taxpayer are paying for these employers to make an even bigger profit !!!.
Not surprised where I live a homeless Romanian woman with 3 children was given a 3 bedroomed semi with front and back gardens ahead of people who have been on the waiting list for years and who are working, she has never put a penny into the system but reaps everything council tax, child benefit etc .The children go to school locally and yes she is self employed selling the big issue I am an alone when I think something needs to be done.
The only thing that will resolve this is further cuts the benefits. It is the ludicrous sums and the comfortable lifestyle that can be afforded by these claimants at the expense of the hard working individuals who are don't constantly moan about there human rights and how there cat will suffer if they go out to work.
In my opinion ,if we brought a law out that excluded any foreigner from claiming benefits un til they had worked and resided here for a number of years,then not only would it half the amount of people coming toy our shores ,it would mean that the ones that do are genuine!
The current situation is unsustainable. The influx of EU workers has driven down wages, forced many British workers to accept pay cuts, and some to lose their jobs to cheaper immigrants. As wages are driven down the tax take is also lower, but the amount paid in benefits rises, to cover child tax credits, working tax credits, housing benefit, unemployment benefit etc. There is also extra costs for housing, education, health. I would like a politician to explain exactly who in this country, open borders are benefiting. It certainly is not the ordinary worker.
I can imagine me going to East Europe or Africa and being paid benefits. The country is an absolute shambles run by incompetent politicians of all ilk.
Cancel the lot make it means tested ONLY & ONLY if you have contributed TAX/NI for 5 years minimum PER adult anything else is a complete travesty.
Next year you will be wishing that was all it was, when you get them all, shows how the UK needs imigrants to survive as the MP's like to tell us
A lot of immigrant groups are now into their second and third generation so that those cultures that perform very badly and rely on benefit's won't be reflected in these figures.
The only fools who did not expect this are the politicians who are supposedly in charge, never mind we, the tax payer, will pay. Now when were we asked........
I wonder how the statistics would look if they showed NON-EU/Commonwealth against EU/Commonwealth recipients? I think, then we would see an even bigger balance.
thought Jamie Oliver said immigrants are better and harder workers if he didn't make them work 80-100 hour's a week he could hire some more doing the normal 40 hour week and in the mean time helping the country get rid of some of the foreign benefits scroungers
This is the legacy that Blair and Labour have left us. Blair and Brown ran the worst government ever
This is disgusting, there should be no way of being able to move into this country if you are unable to support yourself & your family, why do we have to fund the lives of people who haven't bothered putting a penny in themselves? If you move to this country you shouldn't be able to claim benefits straight away or be entitled to free healthcare. There needs to be some big changes in this country.
Jamie Oliver did you read this. not everyone for abroad is hard working and wonderful. it is also true that not all Brits are lazy and workshy..
if you haven't contributed to our taxation and national insurance system for at least 5 years, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim anything from it. Nowhere else in the world is this allowed to happen, its no wonder we are full of immigrants with many more entering illegally every day. Time to get it sorted and say NO
Do they really think if we went to their countries we could get the same treatment, not a chance
Since when were we responsible for Africans and those from the Middle East? Not enough that we have a huge influx from Eastern Europe...where I live it's gone from being a place where people knew each other to a land of foreigners and no longer a place I know.
"Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits ."- williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07---------------------Even that is the tip of said iceberg as after 3 years arrivals can claim citizenship and hence no longer count as foreigners.If we were to ever be shown the figures for those who were born abroad or whose parents were born abroad the stats would be staggering.
That's O.K. there's still a couple of bob left to steal from the hard (and ever harder and longer) working middle and the savings of the thrifty. At least we'll be able to house them properly when Nick Boles' concrete Britain gets going. With friends like our politicians......................
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP.
Meanwhile, our own sick and disabled are having their benefits cut. We should be sending these people home if they cannot support themselves which would free up housing, hospital and school places and reduce the financial impact on already over burdened taxpayers. Despite successive Government messages that immigration is good for the UK, under such circumstances, it is most definitely not.
Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.
Will any surprised P.M.s please stand up for the U.K., for a change.?..............Con. member.
VOTE UKIP....shocking stats that are only going to get worse with foreigners coming here. Africans coming and claiming off our benefits system that our parents have paid into for years and didn't even claim from. Absolute Joke of a country. Welcome to multicultural Doogooder Britain.
And the Government wants more immigration, with a right to vote in any EU referendum. Folks! we have a rouge Government that needs to be stopped, look how close we have come to a third world war under Cameron recently. They are all out of control and living in their own reality, not ours.
Schools bursting at the seams with migrant children,NHS that can't cope and they always go to the top of the social housing while our own military service personnel sit behind them in the queue, they are here for the benefits only and have destroyed our country in doing so, this government and the previous one should hang their heads in shame, can't wait till January.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.You will certainly need all the luck in the world in the next ten years or so. Tax payers in the U.k. you really were sold a pup all those years ago.Oh well.
Joining the EU is quickly getting you down to their level!!!!!!!
SOFT JOHNNY ENGLISH..... THATS US
Why else do you think they came here.......the weather???
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance?
Students shouldn't be receiving any benefits. If they are coming here to study they should be able to fund their education and their stay or they should be asked to leave. Or are these students of these so-called universities that were closed because they were nothing but fronts for getting people into the country? In which case they are here under false pretences and again they should be made to leave.
Our country is being swamped by foreigners and our welfare system is being plundered by them. Why, for God's sake, can our politicians not see this AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Just when are our governments going to wake up to the FACTS?
There is only ONE answer, vote UKIP in 2015. They will cancel HS2 Get us out of the EU, get us out of the Human (criminal) Rights Act and stem Immigration.
And what have they contributed? No pay in, no pay out.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits . - williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07***I've no problem with that if they are working. Plenty of ;natives' have NEVER worked & claim ALL the benifits; We know an English family living in France that haven't had any incme for 3 years and they are on FRENCH benifits whilst only contributing to the French ststem for 2 years. It doesn't only happen in the UK. British people also claim benifits abroad................take a look at the Spanish figures for the number of UK nationals claiming Spamish benifits.
a total of 406,900 non-UK nationals were claiming work-related benefits such as jobseekers¿ allowance, incapacity benefit and disability living allowance in the year to February 2012. COME ON THEN I.D.S. JUSTIFY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, OR IS IT EASIER FOR THE DWP JUST TO PENALISE OUR OWN CITIZENS. ????????????
Put Blair on trial!
stop this nonsense now, unless you have put in for at least ten years you get nowt! zilch! nicht! nyder! nothing! zero!
Just one more thing to thank Bliar for then.. of course no one in the current coalition seems in a hurry address the problem. EU OUT NOW PLEASE!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
I'm a Brit living in France and I'm desperately looking for work here --- there is no equivalent of JSA unless you've previously paid into the system. To make matters worse all the information available IS ONLY IN FRENCH.
I'm fed up with this country having to put up with cherry picking benefit scroungers from Eastern Europe and third world countries. UKIP it is!
Frankly, I don't care if they're foreigners or not! If they're taking advantage of this ridiculous system then they're hurting the average, hardworking tax payer
Makes my blood boil. I thought we were going to get a grip on this sort of thing. UKIP can't come soon enough for me.
The UK is now being milked like a dairy cow, our kids futures are really looking bleak. I never thought the UK would be destroyed like this.
As the figures have shot up in the last two years, it makes a nonsense of Duncan Smith's endless statements that he has stopped it all........... He seems content to penalise low paid and out of work Brits who have paid in, leaving many homeless and even poorer, whilst hurling money at foreign nationals who have not paid a penny into the system. The numbers will really explode next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.
And what's dodgy Dave gonna do about it? Exactly, nothing......nothing whatsoever. VOTE UKIP and get out of the EU NOW.
I find it appalling that the management of the UK's financial affairs have been allowed to sink into such a diabolical situation. The Civil Service is inundated with an overpaid under performing staff, in drastric need of a completely new restructureing,quite impossible with the abilities uuf the current parliament.
Can't wait to read the comments
Ah the same ones that are suppose to be bringing their knowledge and wealth here I suppose.
If they can't contribute.....send them home. QUICKLY! The UK taxpayer does not want them here as sponges to our stretched system. Thanks a bundle for your "Take all" immigration policy Mr.Blair, you have messed my country up a treat.
don't give them a bean
STOP ANY MORE IMMIGRATION BEFORE THE FLOOD GATE OPEN NEXT YEAR.WHAT ARE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WORKING FOR,TO GIVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE IT, AND DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
its ok if the UK goes bankrupt, as long as 'johnny foreigner' is well kept that's ok NOT!!!
Just maybe the DM will take up a campaign and do something rather than wind everyone up with the constant depressing miserable stories.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first
why are we giving them these handouts? they should get exactly what they get in their home contry nothing more.
The reason the Government can't see this is because they think it is normal! All you have to do is sick your nose into Westminster and take a look at the support staff and see how many are from this Country!
Well they are not here for the weather are they...!!!
It is quite simple to cure this. If you haven't contributed for 5 years, you get nothing. If that was implemented, I wonder if we'd get so many wanting to come here?
Are you reading this Tony and Gordon?
Welcome to Britain, Should read " sorry we're full ". The UK has become a joke people should not be allowed into the UK unless they can support themselves... period.
And does the Government really care, of course not....its us that are paying.
Free money and they will keep coming and coming. The country is finished. Get out of the EU and stop feeding the world, Mr. Cameron
why...?...benefits should only be for citizens...and only if they qualify.
If this situation carries on it will not be long before there are more claimants than taxpayers, and we all know that this will lead us in to Carey St. The folly of our politicians is boundless.
And a lot of them don't even speak English, an interpreter is needed to help them claim benefits, adding to the financial burden.
It really is about time that the benefits system had an overhaul. We need a system similar to many countries in Europe whereby the level of benefit payments are based on what the individual has paid in - i.e. someone who has never worked or contributed should get vouchers whereas someone who has worked all their life and been made redundant should get a payment based on their wage. A much fairer system all round.
Yet still they are doing nothing about the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians that will start in January! If Britain came out of the EU it wouldn't be forced to pay these ludicrous benefits.
Nice to at last seen a breakdown of British and non British claimants. So much for the lies about the economic benefits of immigration being force fed to us over the years. In reality the quality of most of the immigrants over many years has been abysmally low, and a big drain on our diminishing resources!
they should not be allowed to claim any benifits for atleast 5 years and if they come here disabled im sorry but why should we pay for a disabled person from another country, this is just not fair on the tax payer and on brits that try to claim but get refused total madness.
Remember all the assertions that immigrants weren't claiming benefits, largely because they couldn't? Just like the claims that among disability benefit claimants there were infinitesimally low rates of fraud. that the rate of fraud. Both drivel.
Welcome to benefit Britain!!
Really wish this could be a Great country again .We need to sort our borders out and get out of the E.U NOW . But sadley the gates have been open so long we cqn not get rid of the ones who are here already .
Welcome to the land of milk and honey,but mainly MUGS.
Should be so simple. Uk benefits paid to UK nationals. Foreigners should get nothing. What would we get in another country?
Shocking. Why does Britain put up with such nonsense from the EU? This is not sustainable. Disaster on the horizon.
This country is ******* joke!
yet the government still tell us the migration is palying a major part of the recovery of the uk........and to think we the romanians and the bulgarians all welcome to the land of milk and honey. Sick of reading about this all the time,and then you get the likes of posh boy jamie oliver slagging off the brits just so he can justify emplying foreign workers for cheap money.
Englands problems solved in 4 words, STOP THE WELFARE STATE
We already knew this and it's completely and utterly immoral and wrong, because it is robbing us tax payers to pay for those who haven't contributed a penny. My vote goes to the party who commits to sorting this farce out.
And they worry about a few Pensioners claiming extra benifits while living abroad having paid their taxes all their lives ,sort out the problems of scroungers from around the world first.then worry about the minority.
In Spain I cannot claim a penny and it belongs to the evil EU, why?
Just vote UKIP and put an end to this madness.
Is this really news , I could see this coming years ago . What did the labour government actuall expect ? Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted !
....... thank you Mr Blair and Brown for allowing this to happen under your watch ....... And Labour still fail to acknowledge there is a problem and fail to communicate any future policy of how t deal with their mess ......!!
Governments too busy starting wars to care
You are sadly deluded if you think that the numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians coming next year will be only in the tens of thousands. It will be in the hundreds of thousands in the first few months, then unstoppably rise into the millions. In the meantime, the word has spread around the world about the asylum scam, and how one can live the life of Riley in England without ever having to work again. But the politicians will allow the complete disintegration of the UK, rather than take an axe to the benefits system, which would be the only remedy.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits .
These figures do not include all the immigrants receiving tax credits or child tax credits, which is another eye-watering figure. Nor do they include asylum seekers, who pay no rent, no council tax, no bills, no travel expenses, thanks to the generosity of the British taxpayer. Well I'm one tax payer who has had enough, and I will be voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system.
Is it not oblivious, one worker from a "family" gets a job and pays N.I> then that becomes the gateway for the entire extended family to come to the UK for free education, health care and benefits. Not quite what the welfare state was designed for - this is why it's failing. If I can see this happening why can those in power not cure the problem - Political Correctness?
The word moderation means nothing if you have a particular genetic/psychological combination which means you are easily addicted to things. Some people say that abstinence is the only option if you are of this type. If you are addicted you will never stop at one drink....
George Best used it! Great recommendation as alcoholism killed him! Go to AA it's worked for over a million people world wide and it's free of charge!
I find that ironic because the eastern Europeans are the heaviest drinkers in Europe!
So if I wanted to lose weight I could take a tablet, consume horrendous amounts of food, have a beer and let it all out (so to speak). Sounds great for any potential anorexics.
David C, Alexandria Egypt, 31/5/2010 05:30 AA has helped many but it's not the answer for all. Better to suggest it as just one possible source of help, rather than the panacea for all alcoholics.
This drug didn't do much to help George Best, did it?
Does the word moderation mean anything to the daft British? - Arthur Roberts, Bucharest, Romania, Doesn't look like does it? IF women can't cope running a home and having a family imho the family should come first. I know of mums who want everything; holidays, big house, flash car AND have children etc - these things are really not important compared with family happiness. If someone takes on many things they cannot do everything well - it's best to stick to one thing and do it well, than spread yourself too thinly and make a hash of everything!
Does the word moderation mean anything to the daft British? - Arthur Roberts, Bucharest, Romania, 31/5/2010 06:48 Good gracious Arthur , why my very motto is : Everything in moderation.................................................including moderation !
Stress & demand does not make people drink. If their lives were that demanding, they wouldn't have the time to drink. I agree with Arthur, alcohol doesn't force its self on people; People drink because it's cheap, available almost everywhere, people lack self control & because others do it, it must be ok. Well almost everybody. Not me I'm teetotal & PROUD. The debt on society by all drugs not just alcohol, is the shame of the UK. If it's so wonderful why are people having difficulty curbing or keeping in check their alcohol consumption?
I'm sorry but blaming the "pressures of modern life" for your idiotic, childish behaviour is down right ridiculous. I run my own local company, am completely responsible for the customers service and products...I also live with terminal illness, have suffered many deaths and misfortunes, and all the rest of things life throws at you. But I only have one drink a night with my dinner; a small glass of wine or local cider. Why? Because I am not an idiot. These people do not drink because of 'pressures' They drink like this because they have no minds of their own - no individuality. They are brainwashed, following their peers like lemmings heading for the cliffe. It's a matter of intelligence, or rather, lack of.
Does the word moderation mean anything to the daft British? - Arthur Roberts, Bucharest, Romania, 31/5/2010 06:48 Does the word "stereotype" mean anything to you?
Does the word moderation mean anything to the daft British?
Good luck to Mrs Wilde,however the drug is only a physical barrier to stop her drinking she needs to deal with the reaons why she drinks and for that she needs to seek futher help and the best place to get it is in her local Alcholic Anonymous group(and i speak from experience).The drug has limited use and a time factor poor old George Best tried it and still died a horrible death ftom the effects of alcohol,so give AA a call.
Too many vested interests in keeping us in the EU. Camoron,Clegg and Hesseltine dont care about us,only their own selfish interests!
If the EU sticks to its guns and does not give up powers not just to us but to other disillusioned member nations then we will surely know this in 6-12 months. Why do we have to wait nearly "years then. I am guessing they will drop Cameron a little bit of red meat and he will say he has succeeded. This inevitable situation is not acceptable. If they say no now they will say no in 2015 therefore we should give Brussels a time period. If they can agree nothing then the referendum should go ahead. The problem here though is that this referendum will require an act of parliament and both Labour and the Libs have stated categorically that they will not let this happen. Personally I cannot see what the Cameron speech has achieved other than get his own backbenchers of his back. He will plainly not win the next election so this is all academic. What troubles me is how can millions of Eurosceptic labour voters continue to vote for Milliband when he has said there will be no vote on his watch
Well said. The EU are scared, and are merely trying to circle the wagons in case anyone else has the same ideas. Also agree with you that Miliband will end up offering a referendum.
Heath was blackmailed into joining, now we all know why....
We need a referendum before all the Eastern Europeans come here take up citizenship and vote to stay in. Why are there not e-petitions on this matter. Why can't someone with a little clout whip up a way to make the government honour its election promises.
Mr Brummer seems to lose all rationality when it comes to Europe. It is Europe that holds all the aces (and most of the rest of the pack!) when it comes to any negotiations because we will become the nearest thing to a banana republic that Europe has ever seen if we leave!! - cp, Kent Europe, 30/01/2013 18:14 You mean, like Portugal, or Greece..? With the Navy's biggest ever warship at 65,000 tonnes being built at Rosyth, it makes me proud to be British Unionist. Vote UKIP!
You UKIPers are just like the BNP before you - utterly convinced that what you want is what everybody wants. That's a nice comforting dream, but it never survives elections, and you're going to find that out the hard way. When you do you'll be claiming "it woz a fix" (as some UKIPers are prone to do) or looking for scapegoats within your own party. "We" don't want out. I do, and you do, but there is no proven majority that wants out, and as the polls consistently tell us, Europe is not a priority for most people. Keeping their jobs and maintaining their standard of living is their immediate concern, and UKIPers tend to parrot the unlovely beliefs of the Tory right when they have anything at all to say about that. You can flood forums like this until the cows come home - the BNP thought it was a clever thing to do, too - but it doesn't change the fact that the best you can do is also the worst thing you can do: put Labour in power with a working majority, and no referendum. Reality.
The problem is our air-headed vacuous politicians, they are nearly all cowards who don't dare upset Brussels, so roll on 2015, then we can vote for UKIP, and get this country out of this dictators club...!!!
We have no leaders with vision, clarity and the balls to pull us out of the EU. they are all scared of the the Brussels shadow. Only Farage now stands up for the British people and our only hope of restoring democracy back to Westminster. >>>VOTE UKIP<<<<
Henry The Cat , Gt Yarmouth , Vote Tory and you may as well vote Labour !. Vote Labour and you may as well vote Tory !. You will get the same old policies from the same old parties !. Give the Cat a treat , give it something different for dinner !.
I agree with the DM that we hold the aces AT THE MOMENT but, if Cameron wants to gain any respect from the voters, he must act NOW! Invoke Article 50 and we can have the whole thing sorted out before the next election and hold a referendum at the same time. I don't think our politicians are taking this matter seriously though. Today's Commons debate on Europe was an opportunity for MPs to articulate to the House, the views of their constituents yet, after Hague had given his waffle, there were barely 30 MPs left in the chamber!
Stuff this, we don't want to be holing all the cards, we just want OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTING UKIP!!!!
Vote UKIP and you may as well vote Labour. Anybody who is serious about getting a referendum needs to put the Tories on the spot. Red arrow time for UKIP's keyboard army.
Cameron should publish every power that he wants to get back from Brussels. How can it be difficult to withdraw from the human rights legislation, we existed in the EU without it being our law for years until that EC man (European Creep) Blair sold us out so that he could become President of Europe. Thank goodness they found him out before that happened.
Merkhel does not run the EU. She does not hold any power apart from influence. What she says is tripe. All member states would have to vote before ANYTHING positive happens to the UK. The ONLY SOLUTION is to vote for UKIP. They are the only ones who will give UK independence back. The Tories lie.Labour lie. Libs will side with whoever keeps them hanging onto the toe of power. The main parties are liars. Vote UKIP.
Get the hell out of this failed club. The europeans deserve this but we don't. UKIP for me. How worse could it possibly get after all.
Goodness. Remarkably uninformed for a so-called political journalist. He 'forgot' to mention the 'gold-plating' that successive UK governments have added to EU legislation. Most EU rules say things like 'Member State governments should put in place a system to regulate x, y or z'; it is then left to each country to implement it. Of course, each country does so in its own way according to its own needs. The UK government has uniquely made standards higher and tougher, on the whole, than EU legislation has required them to be. Get your facts right, DM!
I fear we are stuffed unless UKIP can gain some seats and have the casting vote in Parliament - much as the tree hugging, sandal wearers have now. OK it would be the tail wagging the dog again but this time not for daft, left wing LIB DEM hogwash. Therefore, if you want your country back, regardless of whatever party you voted for in the past, you MUST support and vote UKIP.
Great article but I, and many people like me, are done with the spineless lot we have in power and all their broken and empty promises. The only way forward for this country is UKIP - there simply isn't any other intelligent choice.
It doesn't matter who holds all the aces it's what's up the other players sleeve. So until the cards are on the table etc...etc... Call a referendum now Mr Cameron, it's been a bad deal for us from start to finish.
For crying out loud, let's just cut to the chase and LEAVE!
We gave up all that they wanted to appease them, yet again. Once they had them, they then just milked us dry well NO MORE, U. K. I. P. GET US THE HELL OUT.
If you believe this you will believe anything. Lets just leave them to it.
Call me Dave will come back waving his piece of white paper with all of the concessions he has negotiated. Does anyone actually believe that the EU will deliver on them. Bliar gave away most of the rebate in exchange for the reform of CAP but did it ever happen.
Most politicians, especially Disappointing Dave and the press, including the DM are running scared of UKIP. It's obvious by the use of the most disparaging photos of Nigel Farage they can find I.e. pint and fag in hand. Be prepared for more such scaremongering and underhand tactics in the next two years !
Nigel Farage would make a great PM - type UKIP on YouTube and watch this master in action as he tells the EU parliament a few home truths - enjoy!!
Beware the BBC! All opposition to the EU will be monstered.
So, who is the biggest traitor? Heath, Blair. Blair, Heath. Hmm, tough call.
The powers that be in Brussels won't condescend to giving in to any demands made of them by CAMERON, the only solution is to hold a referendum and to leave the EU. We were conned into the common market by HEATH and he should never have agreed to the demands made by Brussels at the time, now we are fighting for OUR RIGHTS that have been slowly taken from us by a load of baboons who are not even fit for purpose and the entire farce has become corrupt to the core. Staying in the EU will be the BIGGEST MISTAKE that we will ever make and I want a future for my children, my grandchildren and my great grandchildren , I do not want them to have to be ordered around by infidels who care only for themselves. GET US OUT.
If repatriation of 'powers' from Brussels results in more autonomy for dear old UK,within a Common Market, then it would get my vote, (this was the deal in the 1970's we were led to believe) Free trade agreements have been operating for years, but we don't need political integration with a bunch of socialists who want to level everyone's life opportunities, (except Cleggy),when it comes to their own family's education.
Without wishing to sound pessimistic, Europe is run by fanatics and, woe betide anyone who expresses any opposition to their master plan of an ever expanding, centrally governed superstate, in which member countries are being steadily and surreptitiously stripped of their democratic rights to govern themselves. Does anyone believe that the likes of Barroso, Van Rompuy and Schulz will allow Cameron, or anyone else, to spoil their megalomaniac ambitions? Their response will be a resounding NO - end of conversation! I firmly believe we should take the initiative and invoke Article 50 now, which would force them to negotiate. Unfortunately, I can't see Cameron doing a U-turn on this but, one always lives in hope!
Why wait on Camerons dodgy promises - just vote UKIP at the next election - job done
Mr Brummer seems to lose all rationality when it comes to Europe. It is Europe that holds all the aces (and most of the rest of the pack!) when it comes to any negotiations because we will become the nearest thing to a banana republic that Europe has ever seen if we leave!!
Look, if you want to do something about this there isn't much point in whining about it on here. Join Labour or the Tories, whichever you lean towards most. Make yourselves heard. Have a say in MP selection. There's no other way. If you don't do that you've lost. UKIP isn't going to get so much as one MP, but it can take just enough Tory votes to let Labour win. Be realistic. If you don't get involved in politics you can't complain when those who are involved ride roughshod over your opinions. Join them to defeat them!
It's the worst kept secret in UK politics. An EU referendum will produce a huge rejection of the EU but the trouble is LibLabCon can't or won't accept it. Camoron won't win the next general election so forget any 2017 referendum vote, it's just a stalling tactic and Camoron knows it. Comrade Millipede and Deputy Dawg Cleggy are intrenched with Euro money as the great socialist empire in Brussels awaits them, so why would they want out? It's really down to voting UKIP, pure and simple.
The politicians of all the three parties have absolutely NO intention of letting the British publichave that kind of in out vote required by the people! You have ONE chance. UKIP
Once the 17 countries using the Euro go federal and become a super state, what will happen to Britains Veto it will be removed then as a country we will be on the edge of a money laundering beuracratic cock up. What business that has failed to supply an audit for 18 years and still runs, Brussels does. We need to leave the EU no matter what Camerons pleading does, not much chance of any powers being returned.. VOTE UKIP
If we do not get out of the EU this year we will be overrun with more EU immigrants and when the time comes for a referendum there will be more europeans living here than true Brits and the vote will be to stay in. Write to your MPs now demanding a simple IN/OUT referendum this year, no postal votes and ONLY BRITISH subjects allowed to vote.If you dont and any of the 3 main parties get back in power, Britain as we know it will be no more.
The EU should be renamed the Titanic.
Except for the fact, Andrew that "Sinon the Greek" aka Cameron opened the gates to power to the EU's "Trojan Horse" the Lib Dems who in concert with their new pals in the Labour party will ensure that we will lose that advantage by the next election!
Until the PEOPLE force the issue with the Lib -Lab - Cons the status quo will remain. If people want change that must have the nerve to do it. It will not happen overnight especialy with the current crop of party leaders. There is a way through UKIP who have already put fear into the so called tories,enough sucess will ensure that the other so called elites will also take note , it called people power and can only be achieved through voting for those who will give you what you want. UKIP
If it is impossible for the Queen to be ruled by the EU, how as her subjects can we be?
No politician seriously wants to leave the EU, it is too much of a gravy train for them. That is why they continue with the lie that the world will end if the UK opts out. Does it not seem a coincidence that after weeks of the pound being rather strong against the Euro it suddenly went into freefall just after David Cameron's speech. It is really just an expensive club that we all have to pay subscriptions to, so that a few can have the benefits of membership. We do not even have the advantage of not having to queue at passport control after a day trip to France.
We will not 'claw back powers' - this is merely a device to postpone the issue. We will not get an in/out referendum on fair terms - there will be a massive propaganda campaign to keep us in, designed to frighten the electorate with the supposed dangers of leaving. If by same miracle we do get a referendum, and do vote out, then we will probably be told to vote again. At election time we will be urged not to waste our vote by voting UKIP, but the true wasted vote will be in favour of any of the 3 major parties, who all stand for the same thing - staying in the EU and subjecting us to ever increasing loss of sovereignty. Quite why they feel this way is a mystery and irrational.
One heck of a lot of nonsense talked by the UKIPers on here - vote UKIP, who take Tory votes, get Labour, who aren't committed to a referendum. And even if the Tories do by some fluke get back in with a working majority and eventually call a referendum, Parliament is NOT bound by the result - and don't kid yourselves that it will do the honourable thing, not while there is an in-built Europhile majority across the parties it won't.
The incessant waffling about Camerons' EU referendum pledge is utterly pointless, so ignore the cr*p stop listening to Cameron and his cronies and vote for a political party that will give you a free and fair referendum in 2015.
Lets get out of this and NOW not 2017. Get some guts Cameron..... If we leave, the German and French will lose £millions of trade more than we lose in our exports to them. We also save the £billions a year we have to pay for membership of the EU. We would also be able to say farewell to all the immigrants and save god knows how much more than the UK people earn living in the EU. They could get a visa to stay abroad anyway. I cant name anything paid for by the EU in the UK or more close to home in England. So what do we get out of being in other than a bit less form filling or maybe a shorter queue at airports? We are about the same population size as Italy and France, do you thing they pay the same in to the EU as the UK? I dont think so. Nobody has ever declared trade figure in/out of the EU from the UK and what we gain. Is it worth being in? Lets get out NOW.......
There is no threat to leave . Cameron will not allow it . he has already said that he believes the EU to be good for Britain . Renegotiation is not on the table . Cameron says it is but it is not . this is not about the single market this is about political union which all the political elites in Europe want including our deceitful PM . he should invoke article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which signals our intention to leave and then real negotiation could start . We are sliding ever further into the EU morass and Cameron and this ridiculous time scale( 2018 before a possible vote) only binds us further into oblivion . Only way out is to vote and support UKIP .
now for something more sinster ted heaths children mr clegg and milliband carry his banner
Come off it, own up, the only powers you want to "repatriate" would be to allow cavalier bosses to sack workers on a whim, to let the food industry supply ever dodgier "beef" burgers and sugar-filled junk, and the rule of law to be undermined by diluting human rights.This is a crusade to Torify the UK; terrifying.Meanwhile sane investors are scared off the UK. Well done, Eurosceptics!
I've said this on these comments boards time and time again. We will never be allowed to leave the EU. Even if the nation gave a decisive 'OUT' vote, the EU would never accept it. They would simply pressure our weak, greedy and duplicitous MP's to hold the referendum again and again until the 'right' decision had been reached. If you think that is far fetched, look at Ireland. If my some miracle our MP's accepted an 'OUT' vote, it's irrelevant because we would wake up to find a European Peace Keeping force on our shores, and we would be utterly defenceless to stop them. Even UKIP, that bastion of independence could never get the hooks out. In 50 years, should anyone read an ancient history of our once great country from a banned book, they will simply assume it is a tissue of lies. Perhaps the last Englishman could turn the lights out?
George Heath could not walk away he was blackmailed - google Leon Brittain and read all about the filth.
My view has not changed since those times. As I told a German customer in early 1975, Britain would survive in or out of an Official Trading Relationship with the EU. (Politicians cannot stop trade but they can get in the way of it.) I was called a typically arogant Englishman but I still took the order for some British machinery. Heath should have walked away, he would have been begged to return to the table and he would have got all he wanted. Imagine the reception if he had come back and said "Those people wanted our fish, I told them our fish are not for sale."
what goes around comes around
Is the Queen also a traitor and should she be tried for high treason too?
Even if we managed to repatriate some powers, it wouldn't be very long before the EU reinvested itself with them by way of "directives". You only have to look at how Major thought he had exempted us from the Social Chapter, only for the provisions to be forced on us via Health & Safety and other directives. The ONLY way to regain our own powers is to leave the EU entirely, with negotiated friendly trade agreements. We will be skewered if we remain in, the EU leopard is incapable of changing its oppressive nature. That is why so many politicians will do their utmost to ensure voters are denied a referendum for as long as possible. Our own politicians' motives are very suspect, which is why they are now so untrusted.
The Tories would be more convincing if the powers they want repatriating weren't those that would enable them to turn Britain into a low-wage hire and fire economy. Well, thanks to unfettered migration they've got the low wage part of the equation in place, now they can go for their "treat the workers like dirt" part. People should be careful what they wish for - I want us out, but I want a fair wealth-creating wealth-spreading society to be the result, not the "them and us" society too many Tories long for.
No victor every politician since Heath should be had up for high treason and that includes St Thatcher who acknowledged the unlawful EU.
It is a lawful impossibility for her Majesty to be a mere citizen of Europe - so why doesn't she do something about it?
Why should we think today's leaders will be any less treacherous than their predecessors when their conduct to date in all matters pertaining to the EU shows otherwise?
If we were to leave the Union, the grandest scheme of them all, the project for a United States of Europe collapses.........Only if those in the EU wanted that and to date the European "idea" still commands majority support everywhere except Britain.
Germany and France designed the EU around themselves. They created laws and processes that would give them the best chances of exploiting other European nations. The proof? look at Germanys massive trade surplus with the rest of Europe, especially Greece !
Grab them by their balls, their hearts and minds will soon follow !
There are two people in my lifetime that should be prosecuted for Treason. Heath postumosly and Blair for selling us further down the river. Lets not be hoodwinked over the next referendum, like the last one.
They need us more than we need them. I'd be happy to be out.
If you believe we hold all the cards I suggest you see a doctor urgently !
High treason!
That's exactly how it was, and how it is now. Dissenters got the sack or had their careers blighted. The name of the journalist - the late C Gordon Teather - springs to mind. Now its our chance to right the wrongs committed in the quest to create a European Superstate in which the U.K. would be nothing more than a depressed province.
Just stop all our payments and see how quickly they come round to our way of thinking!
The EU is a ratchet tool that only works in one direction. The British delegates who leave the EU conference room thinking they've secured concessions will hear howls of laughter once they've shut the door
There is a simple answer to these questions, leave the EU right now, stop thinking about it, stop fudging the issues, prevent crooked politicians blind-siding the electorate, bring an end to all the devious political prevarication and return this country to its proper state - Great Britain! We will become once more the most powerful country in this part of the globe, able to beat all the EU countries on price, restore our coal industry, rebuild our steel industry, take back our fishing industry, revitalise our manufacturing industry and bring an end to paying eye-watering 'Contributions' to the Brussels mafia. On top of this, we have the abolition of the dreaded VAT.
Holding the cards, is one thing............Playing them, is another.
Mr Alexander I remember your articles back then and I always saw you as one of the last bastions of anti Europeans, sadly when you accepted the editorship of the city page on the DM those of us that followed your column became rudderless. Subsequently Nigel Farage has come into the frame and we have pinned our flag to his mast. None of us has any faith in Cameron we see him as Blair Mk II and believe negotiations that he makes on behalf of us are doomed from the start.
Acquis Communitaire: the sovereign powers acquired by the community cannot be returned. It is EU law. Please please start being upfront about this because there can be no renegotiation and the sooner that is understood the better. - Peter , UK, 30/1/2013 06:37....................So laws can never be changed? dream on old son, they are every day.
I wish the UK would hurry up and get out of Europe,we are all fed up of listening to you winging about the paltry 5 billion you contribute to Europe and expect the world in return, think about the 5 billion you give to Europe and then think about the 60 billion you pay in interest each year for failed government policies, the 200 billion you pay for the work shy and to support low income earners with an army of children who will grow up as spongers, and the real killer is the 200 billion you pay for a health service used by foreigners and their families.
You might be right, IF we had politicians who actually wanted to put the intersts of the British people first. But we don't. Cameron will NEVER hold a substantial renegotiation. He doesn't want to leave and he has already given assurances to Obama and Merkel that we won't. All he wants is some powers returned and a MANDATE from the British people to keep us IN. And that's even IF he gets re-elected, which isn't likely. The ONLY want is OUT. We want our country back - it was never their to give away in the first place. And UKIP is the only party advocating self-government for the UK.
It will never happen.It doesn't matter how good the hand of cards we hold,it's how they play them, the majority of our politicos don't want to leave the EU and will fight tooth and nail to stay.If by some miracle we get to the referendum stage,then it will be rigged.We're stuck with Europe and they will continue to wipe their feet on us because our political elite want's it that way.
The problem is the Conservative Party are playing their hand against a bid of one spade. They will intentionally throw away all the aces and trumps as Dave wants to stay in the EU. He will lose every rubber but claim to have won the tournament.
Peter UK: Me thinks you are being a wee bit naive here mate. There is no way the EU mafia will not condescend to giving up powers when it sees the writing on the wall of the collapse of the dreaded union. Neverthless, I for one dont want a 're-negotiation' I want out full stop thanks.
Acquis Communitaire: the sovereign powers acquired by the community cannot be returned. It is EU law. Please please start being upfront about this because there can be no renegotiation and the sooner that is understood the better.
Get out of the EU now, dont believe this story written by a pro EU paper on behalf of Cameron
Hope you are right but we do not have strong enough leadership I fear.
I don't trust Cameron with what the small print will say. He should get us OUT before the next influx of East European layabouts and criminals arrive. Once out, negotiate NEW entry conditions - with no small print.
Cameron will not be able to renegotiate anything, as he won't be in power after the next election! In any event, IF any powers were repatriated to Britain, the unelected, all-powerful commissars in Brussels would simply change the rules!
Angela Merkel was honest when she said the EU cannot allow powers to be taken back, because if one country does that then they all will want to do it, and then where would they be. Cameron knows that, yet he will spin his slick lies, buying time and hoping people will vote for him yet again. He has already fooled us once about a Referendum vote, and should never be trusted again. UKIP ARE THE PARTY TO TAKE US OUT OF THE EU, RETURNING POWER TO RULE OURSELVES, AND TRADING WITH THEM ONLY, WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY THE ORIGINAL INTENT.
Pull the drawbridge up and sod em all... you will sink.. if you don't
People that are not versed in the British way of life must think our countryside with all it's open fields and rivers full of animals and no Police presence is Heaven on Earth. I feel as each day goes by that I am becoming more like the men with the "End of the World is nigh" placards I used to see in my youth. Substitute UK for World and they have been proved right.
Evidently the law is not applied equally over the country. Since when was ignorance a defence? Apply our existing laws please! Word would soon get round that this will not be tolerated. I understand that these people are trying to "survive" but turning a blind eye to this is going to encourage more of this behaviour. If they have no jobs or housing then round them up and put them to work on a civic project, see how that works, trouble is no mainstream political party has got the guts to suggest this sort of thing! In my opinion it is about time some radical solutions were tried in this country. Long overdue in fact for the general population that has to live amongst this kind of chaos. I'm off now to pick some wild flowers.... not, as I abide by the rules!
Ill tell you where the police are...investigating a lost phone in a night club because some idiot has lost it and wants to make a false claim. All down to the Governments' election charter for the police to speak to every "victim" of crime (even when they are clearly lying!). Some people seem to think that Police Officers dont live in the communities where they work and therefore dont become victims of crime. Was it the local bobby that introduced the immigration policy? When did the police sign up to (as a country) to the restrictive human rights policy? Why do we blame the police service for everything that goes wrong in this country!!
This is becoming the most rediculous country in the world, also the biggest laughing stock of Europe. Of course these people know what they are doing. What would happen if an Englishman were to be cast out of work with no money and tried to build a camp site out of scavenged timber etc and started fishing or taking game on the banks of one of our rivers. The police would be down in force to arrest him, even for a single Englishman it would send at least three cars and a squad of bobbies.
The police should do something now before it gets too big to handle. Look at Italy.
Thank you bliar and looniegord what a wonderful job youve done of ruining this once great country.
Have these people got rod licenses, if not they should be prosecuted just like an Englishman would be. Were we to take fish and swans home for the pot our feet wouldn't touch!
This a disgrace, I cannot believe what is happening to our beautiful country, and why are the authorities turning a blind eye to what is happening. God help us if nothing is done.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Now you're being silly. The police are to busy looking for things that carry a fine. They have become tax collectors.
Of course the police aren't involved for many reasons. 1) They haven't recieved the proper training 2) This is close to a river - no training 3) wild birds involved - no training 4) politically incorrect to investigate and arrest polish/Lithuanian nationals 5) the police force of this country are totally inept and incompetent. However if Mr. Means forgot his fishing license I bet the river baliffs/Mr Plod would soon be on the scene to impound his fishing tackle and impose a hefty fine.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Please wake-up people! On this BB nearly all of you are asking where are the police? The answer, we don't have our police anymore we have political police "STASI" and their job is to protect all and any foreigner from decent ward working law abiding British people because under Nu-Lying-Loony-Labour we don't count! This is Broons nu-world-order and social mobility if Gormless-Gordon had his way, we would all be living in shacks unless you vote Labour. Why do you think he has not called an election date? Because Broon ain't going anywhere he can't face the enormity of his crimes against the people of Britain.
Blimey - this beggar belief: My son is 40 soon and I can say with assurance that is he had camped on the same spot. lit a fire - the police and counciL would fine, had he caught a swan - the police and RSPCA would be in force and rightly so. We have always been brought up to understand that swans belong to the crown - what are 'visitors' to our land and laws treated so differently. Bring back St Greorge and our respect for other cultures. My love and respect abounds for the 1950 immigrants who helped this country and still do.
Why is it possible for a reporter to get this information, and yet not possible for law to be enforced. How long has this been going on, or is it just another vote catcher?
Got to agree with M...........this country needs people who will get a grip....we are fast going down the toilet...no matter what the liberal left say we will soon be a third world country......as the Detective Inspector in the Thin Blue line say's...... our leaders are a ' wishy washy namby pamby touchy feely ' bunch of loser's. Get a leader in who does not listen to what the ' media ' say's but listen's to the people and what they want. Swan's are protected.....so protect them.
Shanty towns springing up in the UK, who would have thought? Well everyone really!
This MUST BE STOPPED. The birds are nesting and getting ready to produce young in April/May. If police can't (or won't) intervene why can't the RSPB?
Please do something to help these animals!!! This is horrendous!! This should NOT be happening.......
Welcome to New Labour's vision of the future for Britain.
I don't understand, what are the police doing about this? Why oh why do we put up with this, what is going to become of our country?
"Where are the police?" - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Busy fining English people for dropping sweetie wrappers on the pavement.
Why does "Call me Dave" not use stories and photos like this on the Tory's election posters? Could it be that they wouldn't change the situation?
Why no prosecutions?
If all tourist and holiday makers avoid the whole of East Anglia the resultant drop in incomes will force the authorities to addresss this problem. As for the police? Well this is a civil matter I suspect.
I wonder what excuse the police will come up with this time. Killing swans is very, very illegal.
Surely these people can be removed from what was a beautiful, wildlife rich area of Peterborough. They understand enough to know that killing swans is wrong and should abide by the rules of the country they have moved to. Incidently, Peterborough is not a 'market town' but a city with a wonderful cathedral.
This makes my blood boil! Just what is happening to our country? My mother is croatian and came over in the seventies to do a fashion degree, and made a successful career in fashion designing etc. Why cant all the immigrants that come over do the same and treat our country with respect and as there own!
Good old Labour - you have brought our country to this!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 You will prob find them on the roads arrested the hard working public as they try and drive home after a 12 hour day for going a couple of mph over the limit.... To scary to catch real crooks...
Somehow, I don't think we would get away with it if we went to their homeland and savaged their wild life and beauty spots. This country is being torn apart and no one is doing anything about it.
Third world Britain.
I hope all those who voted for this government are happy with what they have created.
I'm speechless!!
So when's our beloved Queen going to step in then?
What a sad and sorry place my home town has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place this country has become.
Why?
New Labour and its open Borders policy!! and they want to be re-elected not in your worsed nightmares.
I thought killing Swans was illegal - the queens' property? Carries a hefty jail term if I am not mistaken?
So why isn't anything being done about it? We really have become the laughing stock of the world and nobody but nobody seems to want to anything about it. It would not remotely surprise me if the BNP actually won the election outright because people are in complete and utter despair at all this and nobody is listening.
I'm sorry but I don't understand why local people are not up in arms about this. They should be protesting to the council, the police, the government, in large numbers. Why aren't the authorities, closing these illegal camps. Why aren't the animal protection people getting involved. There should be a large police presence every night along the waterways. Arrests should be made every night. Instead its the usual English way of wringing our hands, saying its not right and that's that. We have to learn its not racist to complain where its found that foreigners are either breaking the law or are making life intolerable for the residents. If we lived in their coountry we would be expected to respect their ways.
As much as I always swore I wouldn't, I am voting for the BNP at the election, because our current mangy thieving lot couldn't care less!
So, they're breaking the law and nothing is being done about it? Are we mad?
SICK TO THE CORE HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO THESE MAJESTIC BIRDS THEY ARE ROYAL BIRDS AND BELONG TO THE QUEEN THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
This is utterly disgraceful and where are the police in all this. What has become of this country that we allow this kind of behaviour. I thought our swans were a protected species, what is going on. That a part of the waterways meant for peoples enjoyment is a no go area is ludicrous.
Labour's Britain.
Naivity is the kindest word I can use to describe Labour's immigration policy.
Surely, it is treason to kill and eat swans. All the swans belong to the Queen. We have been tolerant for far too long. All of the immigrants living along the river should be arrested and deported immediately - no excuses. What do the people pay council tax for when the police do nothing to protect them?
Gosh!!! I didnt see this coming! What a surprise! Are you sure its true? Still at least they didnt lie on their CV and get jailed for it.
This has been going on for some time and the authorities have turned a blind eye due to them signing up to the EU and Human Rights. Now we are having an election people are taking notice. There must be something drastically wrong when people choose to live in make shift camps in a foreign country rather than live in their own country. Moreover if they are being used as cheap labour then it is false economy as the U.K has to pay for the destruction of their countryside and parks.
Immigrants should Not be in this Country unless they are or have been Working, from the EU or outside. They should be Sent home if they break the laws of this country, like we would if we were in there Country. If the government (any) can start waste of Time Wars then they have the powers to handle immigration, but they don't have will-power. Immigrants should have Work permits for 5 years,do there work for 6 months for example then go home. Employers should provide Accommodation.
Deport them straight away. Britain can't aford these scroungers
What really annoys me is people like Mathew Wright dismissing the facts as racist, on his morning program the Wright Stuff the previous day. Instead of possibly debating on how to solve the problem.
I'm from Peterborough and I can say that, although thousands of Eastern Europeans have successfully found accommodation, work, and have integrated reasonably well, there are always pockets who have not. Peterborough is used to diversity, having accepted large influxes of first Italians and then Asians in the past, and by and large there have been relatively few problems. The real issue currently is the sheer numbers of Eastern Europeans who have arrived in a very short space of time. They are nice people but the city cannot cope. The infrastructure is creaking. Schools have countless languages to deal with. Maternity units are shockingly overstretched; my pregnant sister had to wait 5 hours for a routine appointment because there was only one doctor available. It can't be argued that some of the city's beauty spots are being ruined. I would not say locals are 'scared', but I would say the overall look of these places is tarnished. Peterborough Council has its head in the sand.
These people have no right to be here, why can they not be sent home? If they can eat our wildlife and have no conscience, then what else will they do to this country?
This is what Labour and the Liberals, and the Tories (yes, the Tories too) have turned our lovely country into - something resembling a third world state. All for personal profit and greed. And if you don't live in Peterborough, fear not, this is coming to a town or city near you soon. Think very carefully how you use your vote on 6th May.
This is not just happening in Peterborough it is happening all over this country and by immigrants who are not living in sheds and shacks alongside rivers. but living in houses, I have seen them take fish myself. The lakes where I live have had to put up warning signs a few years back. This is wrong but who will stop this. Lets just call it ENRITCHMENT.
I don't see the problem. You all voted for Gordon Brown and NuLabour who wanted to bring in cheap workers from abroad, and you the voters put him in place to do this. Now you complaint these people take your jobs and have to eat to live. What did you expect of these people?
My brother lives in Peterborough, the Cathedral Square used to be a pleasant place for the elderly to sit and watch the day go by. These days the benches are apparently frequented by the unemployed Eastern Europeans, no place for the indigenous Peterbourians. There are virtual no go ares in the city , English is not heard in some parts. I grew up in Peterborough, I remember it as a quiet Market Town. I used to go day and night fishing in the very places mentioned in this report. Thanks Labour. Fortunately I was able to escape, many just have to live with your despicable policies.
Why is anyone surprised....open borders and Locals who are so afraid of offending anyone is a recipie for this kind of behavior. Instead of doing something about this problem, the locals hide in thier homes, worrying about the PC police and teriifed about getting an ASBO And come election time, they will vote for the same old parties who will do nothng except make the problem worse. As an Ex-Pat it is so sad to see Britian becoming a thirf world country, and the British to cowardly to do anything about it. Will the last person with a spine please collect the flag.
Why is this Lithuanian woman allowed to build an unsightly shack on the banks of the River Nene? If she is living off the land she is obviously killing wild life. Surely living in her own coutry would be more comfortable!! Or is it the FREE HAND OUTS she gets that makes living rough easier? I thought there were laws about littering the country side...does dhe have planning permission to collect rubbish and assemble this unsightly. Where is the toilet? is she polluting the area? You bet she is.
Thanks, Tony. A Blair legacy, indeed. Immigration? Lies, Lies and more Lies from this government. Labour = the destruction of the UK in every possible way.
The rape of Britain !
Disgusting ! So much for Blair and Browns open border policy, what is that old saying in life???, ( you can take man out of the Jungle , but you can not take the Jungle out of man ) where are the police ?? where is the council ?? hands tied because of the eu, and human rights etc etc . Why don,t the residents give the EDL A PHONE CALL,? I bet they would shift them pretty damn quick !!! It,s the local people,and the wild life who are suffering , while these Immigrants are thumbing their noses at us !! WAKE UP BRITAIN!!!
For the love of GOD,, you Brits........ GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP TO THESE PEOPLE!!! TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!!! What is wrong with you?????!! Is everyone just to drunk all the time to care or do anything??????
"16,000 new Eastern European immigrants arriving in the past five years" in Peterborough. The immigrant from Lithuania allegedly bleated: "No understand - no passport". WHY are the UK Border Agency allowing illegal immigrants to remain in Peterborough and elsewhere in the UK? If an English person were to capture a swan and cook it on an open fire in the back garden, they would quickly feel the full weight of the Law. It beggars belief that the UK has become over-run by illegal immigrants, who have no respect for British laws and carry on bleating "No understand - no passport".
Strong & swift action must be taken against these illegal & unsightly temporary shelters. The occupants must be thoroughly checked. All those illegally in the country must be immediately deported. The rest mus be made to work. They should be denied assistance, financial or otherwise, if they refuse to work. Their presence & behaviour are really disgraceful. Briton must not allow immigrants into the country without employment. Deny them all help if they refuse to work.
So, Labour is working as usual. What else!
And they are an asset to this country? How? No passport? Why in hell's name are they still here?
Oh my, what has my country become? I guarantee if it was some local lad killing swans he'd be in the nick by now.
Swans are suppose to be protected ..re.. the Queen??? Why isn`t anything being done about this Why aren`t the council doing anything to remove these theives from there...? I expect they have all our benefits too ... If we trespass we get done...so time to act ..sooner than later, before all our swans are lost.. This has been happening for far too long. Act Now.. Where`s the police on this ..doing nothing as usual.....
How about, just once, we see local British people doing something apart from just whining and whimpering. If they care so much then why not form a patrol group and I mean a big one and clear these people out and protecting British wildlife. It is time to take the law into their own hands. The "state" is not interested. Indeed, the "state" appears hell bent on destroying Britain, accusing any critics of lying and racism. Its time to take the country back but this has to be done by the people, by the British people who want their country back.
How long will the government allow this to go on. It saddens me to know how low my country has sunk. its rapidly turning into a cesspool but who do we blame?, the government or the fact that we are living by the EU rules. Come on Brown show some backbone or is this asking the impossible?.
Discraceful, WHERE ARE THE POLICE?? Absolutely no mention of police action. They should be constantly patrolling the area, arresting the perpetrators, moving on the 'gangs' drinking alcohol and they should tear down the 'camps' along this public walkway. Perhaps if they had these deterrents, they wouldn't have the problems. Its not unreasonable to expect that a lovely riverside walk is kept safe for people to use and that it's wildlife and nature are guarded so that many folk can take pleasure in observing it. By their cruelty and destruction, these immigrants are showing a flagrant disregard and disrespect for the local area and the people in the community. The police know they are there and the crimes they are committing - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Killing the most beautiful of birds - the Swan. Wicked and disgusting, apart from which every Swan in this country belongs to the Queen.
Where are the police? A regular patrol of the area would surely drastically reduce incidents.
Where are the police??
What is wrong with this country that we allow this kind of intolerable situation to occur? Not only do we let in countless numbers of immigrants, which means that our small country's population is totally out of control, employment for our own people is threatened, we now have this kind of absolutely vile, sick behaviour being committed. How on earth can these people get away not only with living in shacks in such a beautiful area but also intimidating the locals and slaughtering our wildlife? It's absolutely insane and our government urgently needs to rectify this inexcusable situation. If our own people were to live like this, in shacks, threatening and intimidating other people and slaughtering wildlife I'm sure they'd be dealt with appropriately and prosecuted as necessary. There's no excuse for not doing the same with immigrants of this kind and for being too "politically correct" and phlegmatic to bother to do anything about it.
Same thing was happening in the park in my old home town four years ago before we left for a better life.
The people of Peterborough should get together and sue the Goverment for this mess that has been visited on them
I am in tears reading yet another report on them eating swans. That pic is awful. For heavens sake, please go home and leave our swans alone.
These people very clearly know they are doing wrong and I bet in their own towns and cities such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and would meet a far harsher response than any here. Those who come here and want to work and contribute should be welcomed. Those who want to come and scrounge, break the law and act like animals should not be given any second chances. If the EU doesn't like it, why should we care? Our European 'partners' overlook the laws they dislike why should we cow to every one?
Whilst I don't condone what these people are doing they are at least using the swans and fish for food and not just indulging in wanton destruction.
Sometime soon people are going to take the law into their own hands. Why do residents have to put up with these ignorant peasants and the mess they leave behind?
When the countryside of the U.K has been ruined will the Political parties decide enough is enough and stop pitching in the U.K? Glad i now live in Australia!!
Peterborough has a conservative member of parliament.
Trouble on the horizon. Wake up!
Still, never mind. Just keep voting Lib-Lab-Con as you always have done........
So let me get this right . . . the gov't will be going through your trash cans and fining you if you haven't recycled properly, but they WILL turn a blind eye to emigrants (of all kinds) destroying your countryside, squatting in people's homes whom have lost their wallets, and furnishing mansions to people on welfare who haven't paid a dime into the system. Sounds like California!
The laws in this country are for EVERYONE and yes, that includes immigrants who must see us as an easy touch. We need to toughen up, and tell them to stick to our laws.
What the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't do it , so why are we letting them do it....... Swans are part of our culture and it's just not the done thing.
Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park Welcome to the Lib/lab/com EU run Britain!!!!......To people of Peterborough and everywhere else......use your votes wisely!!!! It is OUR lives and money at stake!!!!
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
in all seriousness these people need to be moved on (and if they can prove they have been killing swans, arrested).
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
Does Peterborough have a police force? and if so what are they doing?
Please, UK, take your country back!
I used to go to nene valley as a child and it was lovely, nice and fun, thank to these selfish people who want to live here , they are ruining the countryside for later generations, get the police to move them as it must be illegal to just set up home here
Why is this allowed to go on?
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
We experienced all this in Edmonton , Pymmes Park and the Lee Valley Park 10 years ago .
Thanks Bliar and Brown this country will end up a barren wasteland with no wild life.
Where are the Police to stop this? Too busy filling in forms, I suppose. Lithuanians I have met were educated, charming and decent people who would be appalled by this
What is GOING ON IN TH UK. I am getting really really angry.
Have I been transported to another planet without my knowledge!!
BLAIR/BROWN legacy.
What is happening to our country?
How dreadful. Something must be done to save the swans.
Oh my God.......
Swans are Royal Property...? no? Amazing they are allowed to live beyond the law while we are jumped on and fined for dropping an apple core.
Hey, where are all the animal rights heroes now?
Many thanks B&B - what another fine mess you've got the UK into. Enough is enough, Britain needs to be led by someone with the balls to get immigration under control - bring back Thatcher!!!
Where are the police?
What are the Police doing to stop this kind of vandalism.
I thought all Swans belong to the Queen, and killing them is effectively treason.
this is disgusting
So where are the police ?
Totally disgusting.
We wouldnt dream of eating beautiful swans even if starving, how dare they do it.
Could someone explain exactly what we pay the Police and councils for ? Have a sweet wrapper blow out of your car window .............
This is ridiculous.
How long will be allowed to go on.
No mention of the police then?
there is a more in depth report on this sad situation, in the guardian there are to many people trying to get political gain out of the lives of two children,if and when you read the report think! would I be happy ,would you be happy if you were fostering a child with this threat over you and your neighbours. the blood relatives of these children were not good parents in any way. And it was to protect the children and the foster parents this action was taken.It is in the guardian under UKip row:multiple reasons children taken from Rotherham foster parents(fri 30 nov
why does everyone assume that the parents are good parents? is it because of their public sob story? there may be a few instances where innocent families have children taken away but if people looked after their kids properly we wouldn't need social services, we'll never know the real reasons surrounding this case as the details will be confidential. I'm really sick of people bashing social workers, if they don't take kids into care they're criticised if they do they're criticised. I say this as a former child who was taken into care, thank god they did as I probably wouldn't be here now!
Methinks we not getting the full picture here. I fully support assisting families who are seeking sanctuary for their own safety But we cannot accomodate a never ending flow of people seeking benefit.
all social workers are repulsive individuals with know idea of the damage they do they make the gestapo look like angels.
It's like the witchcraft trials all over again! This has nothing to do with if they are Roma or Slovak! I am a British born and bred Father and when my ex went alcoholic social services were involved without my knowledge. When I did find out, I removed my 2 daughters from the house and had them living with me for 6 months, during which time Social Services treated me like the abusive parent that was my ex and telephoned constsntly called daily, visited without appointment, asking me how I was coping etc. All they were interested in was keeping the girls in the "family unit" and returning them to an alchoholic mother. Social Services get it wrong Time after Time after Time!
"Parents who talk publicly about what happens there ¿ even to their MPs ¿ have been sent to prison." Has the British justice system officially lost it's mind? Don't bother answering that, we all know it has. Close friend of mine, a social worker with more then 20 years experience, has recently quit his job, because he is no longer able to go on seeing the terrible injustice carried by the Social Services. He was in charge of a case where little 4 year old girl has been severely abused (sexually, physically and emotionally) by her stepfather. He had the child removed from her home and placed with nice, safe and loving family. My friend's supervisor ordered the child to go back to her parents, knowing full well what has been happening to this child. The step father also said to my friend:" Just wait what I will do to her when I get her back." How can this go on?! How?! What are the the Social Services thinking? I cried so much for this girl I don't even know. I hope, just hope she is OK.
Social workers abruptly moved the children from the foster couple because they considered that their support of the anti-EU party, which attracted nearly one million votes at the last election, made them incapable of fulfilling the East European youngsters¿ ¿cultural and ethnic needs¿. "Cultural and ethnic needs"? What the hell does that is that EVEN SUPPOSED TO MEAN? It doesn't actually mean anything. Ask whoever made this horrendous decision what exactly "Cultural and ethnic needs" are and they'll most likely be unable to give you a proper answer.
i agree that children should be looked after properly, but different cultures gave different views, I feel that all migrants that do do comply with our way of life should go home with their children, it is for their own goverment to deal with these problems, or not. We have a financial crisis, housing, health care, all our infrastracture is braking up. We have high unemployment. Mr Cameron was shocked his words not mine, he went to two factories as asked what ratio to british workers they were employing one said 60% the other 50% europeans, and our people are out of work, and it will get no better as more join the union. If this how we want to live vote lab/con/lib or vote UKIP at least we may have a fighting chance. When there are jobs for our people than you can turn around and say, to work you will go. At the moment to get a job is minimal. Imigration is also holding down wages no wonder big business want to stay in the EU you dont cut off your nose to spite. vote UKIP .
EMR, Beds Do grow up!
I agree that you can not let children wander the street or go to work and leave them. I think anybody does that should be sent back home with their children they have perhaps different way of life, different ethos. I respect their way of thinking but not here. We are picking up the tabs. We have a financial cisis. and council are paying for things that is not really in our national interest. We have a housing cisis, health care crisis. we are giving money abroad which we borrow. It beggars belief where are politions are coming from, the live in cloud cuckoo land. Vote UKIP
This is what happens when the actions of the state are not open to scrutiny by the press.
oh goodie, another social services story veryone can ignore and do nothing about
The sooner we get ourselves out of the EU the better. If they come here for a better life then they have to adopt our ways and culture. - Marie1797, Beyond The Pale, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 2:25 They should adopt our ways and culture? So you are saying that rich immigrants should start avoiding tax? Middle class immigrants should start drinking every day? Those who don't want to work should start claiming as much as possible from the benefits system? Why would you want immigrants to adopt those values?
absolute disgrace and a shocking waste of tax payers money. S.Services wallow in the power and independance they enjoy, staff are predominantly extreme left wing socialists - based on the political views of the majority of social care graduates, there are none so extreme as the righteous in their viewpoints. Yet as socialists they enjoy capitalist benefits, generous salaries, pensions, sick pay, holidays, etc. Most take multiple weeks sick leave - stress is a great excuse. I would repatriate all the families and return them to their own country. long term I would disband the bulk of S.Services powers and cut numbers to the bone. 60 years ago everybody survived without these socialist institutions, we survived without any welfare benefits also.
Why does the free press not print the truth. Answer, the word free is propaganda.
I've got to the stage where being classed as a 'racist' for wanting immigration controlled and stopped doesn't bother me. Shame! - tested121 , Birmingham, 07/12/2012 13:02 Probably because you say things like 'controlled and stopped' showing that you don't even know what your own argument is. What is it, controlled or stopped? From an observers point of view it just sounds racist when you don't put any reasoning behind an argument that you don't even clarify. The anti-immigration brigade do make themselves sound very stupid sometimes and discredit their own argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for an open door policy, I'm for an intelligent debate about it, which does not involve racism or stupid sweeping comments.
The secret modus operandi of the family courts and all connected to them. Subject to NO PUBLIC SCRUTINY under the disgraceful cloak the secrecy 'apparently necessitates'. I wouldn't like to especially comment of the details of this case - but I believe ALL family courts should be open - just like a criminal court. If children have been badly treated or neglected by their parents then they will be able to see the court records in the fullness of time. Similarly they will be able to see whether or not parents or close kin fought to keep them. It will also give parents ( and children) the public ability to question the so-called experts which are used to give evidence. There have been many cases - too many - where the evidence - particularly medical - has been discredited or simply not been looked into correctly. And how much is derived through vexatious accusation? How would you disprove?
'who have been sexually abused by street grooming gangs, mainly of Pakistani heritage.' Just chuck in another completely unrelated, racially provocative statement for absolutely no reason why don't you.
Racist and Marxist! A deadly combination.
Evidence provided by "Paid Experts" should automatically be treated as tainted, or better still payments to witnesses should be made illegal and attract a custodial sentence for both payer and paid.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Good point. However when you live in a country, you must follow the laws of that country. End of.
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 7/12/2012 10:46----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are not wrong about some of the comments in DM stemming from racism, but the overall comments reflect the wide spectrum of views in Britain. There is racism in all nations: E.g. In Germany there are Extreme Right-Wing groups going around murdering non-Germans, burning down Immigrant hostels and targetting Immigrant community centres on a day & night basis with abuse, obscenity and assault - - that level of violence is very rare in the UK. Maybe you haven't looked too closely at the German situation - - whatever the level, all racism is wrong, but debate in a newspaper prompted by children taken into care is surely a healthy exercise, how else can issues be resolved in a Democracy?
As always with these cases, conclusions have been jumped to without knowing the full facts of the case. One cannot expect the father to give a balanced summary of the facts and the local authority is not allowed to comment on individual cases. Contrary to poplular belief, local authorities don't remove children to fill some mythological quota or on a whim. Care proceedings and the provision of permanent accommodation for children in the aftermath of those proceedings costs tens of thousands of pounds per child. Although this doesn't fit comfortably with all you conspiracy theorists out there, there are generally very good reasons to justify the expense of bringing care proceedings.
So tired of our country being a "Kinder Care" for every race in the world. The pop them out, bring them to Britain and we have the responsibility to take care of them. Stop it for goodness sake.
Everybody reading this should just take a moment to consider that the social workers involved cannot defend themselves because they are bound by rules of confidentiality. Common sense should tell you that there is more to this story than meets the eye. The legal system in this country does not allow social workers to remove children from their families without EVIDENCE that meets the threshold criteria of 'significant harm'. I am sick of stories that suggest that social workers can march into people's homes and walk out with their children....they can't !!. There is a legal framework to be followed and the Social Services Dept involved in this case cannot publish the evidence they have for removing these children. So they are easy targets aren't they DM ?
Rotherham concil- uneducated racists simples!!
What is there to debate about this case, give the children back- then sack the whole of the social services and the labour council. None of those involved in these actions against this family are fit to be called human beings. Lack of understanding of ethnic minorities ways is the root cause of this by blinkered hypocritical zealous stazi-minded thought police. I am thoroughly ashamed to be known as a UK citizen.
Removing children from their natural parent(s) should be the absolute LAST resort, and before any action at all is taken all the parties involved (children included) should have to appear before a judge to plead their case. The ONLY possible exception should be where a child needs to be removed as a matter of urgency because it is being seriously physically abused, and even then the abuse should be certified by at least 2 independent doctors.As it is now, children can be snatched from their parents and placed in care or even adopted. Heaven knows what the long-term psychological effects of this are, but I doubt that they will be good. This MUST be weighed against the disadvantages of leaving the child in the home it's used to with its parents or foster parents. Ridiculous criteria like what political party they vote for should NOT in a million years be cause for removal..
Some people are so narrow-minded..common if you don't believe in all this go on you tube, tipe social services forced adoption etc and see! It happened not just to Slovak or Roma families, not even just European (there are hundreds of stories from Latvian, Polish families etc) but to your own British. I was crying to see a mobile phone video from Christmas eve family gathering when two police man and one social service man came and forcefully took a boy around 10 years old...it is disgusting! Councils are paid money for each adopted child and to take kids from EU family members is just so easy way to earn. Thats why all hearings are closed and parents are warned not to talk to press, otherwise jail! Open your eyes! You all saying take your kids go back to your country. Ha! They would do anything to get kids back and go wherever from here, but no one will give them their kids back! It is all just money and no one cares about broken families whichever nationalities they are.
I swear I would not be in the least bit surprised to have MPs respond to any question about immigration with - yeah but ... no but ... yeah but .....'
What I would really like to know is what happened to the investigation on the Council, it's all gone quiet. Come on DM where are with this? If this gets brushed under the carpet I for one will be very unhappy.
Maybe the cheapest option would be to ship the personnel of the social services department to an Eastern European state,although with their records they would probably not be allowed entry......! Whatever happens, can we re-start the department from scratch with all new people including the typist and office cleaning staff. Nothing could be worse than the current one.
What a state this country is in! UKIP members providing a loving home for children of Eastern European citizens that Labour's thought police have stolen from their parents. The same Labour that invited these people into our country in the first place, simply "to rub the Tories noses in diversity". Never vote Labour or Tory again they have destroyed this country between them.
There is something deeply disturbing happening in this country when your kid,s can be taken away on someone's whim, the parents are gagged from talking about it and the court hearing are behind sealed doors
They take children away from a loving enviroment yet fail to protect young girls from preditor gangs. Well done Rotherham LABOUR council.
"We end up with mongeral culturism. A complete mish mash of cultures with no identity. - rob, Nottingham, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 12:37" Which is EXACTLY what the cultural Marxists, such as New Labour, the EU, the Bilderbergers, etc., want. It is easier to control people who have no identity or allegiance.
"They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist. - John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 9:36" Surely all the liberal, lefty, luvvie views you post would be better suited to The Guardian?
In a lot of cases social workers cause more problems than they solve. overpaid self important incompetents!
When my son was at primary school, he had a Roma classmate. I got to know something of him when he invited himself to my son's birthday party [he arrived in class that day with a lavish gift and pressed me to let him come]. He was a nice boy, but precocious. He knew no boundaries, behaving with the authority of an adult in our home, so I was relieved when the time came and I was able to offer him a lift home. He chattered in the car on the way. His way of life was - indeed - very different from ours. At eight years old he was already out to work at weekends with his dad, who worked as a painter. The family was mother, father and 10 children and they lived in pretty cramped social housing. The eldest sister, at 16, was already married with a baby. The boy expected to marry at 16 like his sister. There was no sign he was mistreated - he just came from a very different culture, similar - it would seem - to that of the Rotherham family.
After all is said and done, UKIP are not racist, the social workers were wrong and any lib lab or con supporter has no leg to stand on if they criticise UKIP.
First lets applaud the Slovakian Goverment for getting involved in the Surrey case. Did you all know however that the Slovakian Goverment (and by extension believe me the people) have been hauled over the coals by the EU many times for their institutionalised treatment of Slovakian Roma. This is a common thread in all Central and Eastern European Countries. So no surprise they leave if they can. Canada has even had to stop them entering so many wanted to go there. However the Roma do have a different way of life and some customs are OK and some are not. Because of their lack of employment, social acceptance and pure racial discrimination they are used to living on the very margins of society and thus have a lifestyle very different to the British. This does not make them bad parents. There are plenty of low brow knuckle dragging examples of the British species. Educate them not harass them.
The most sinister aspect of all this is the fact that families are not allowed to talk to the press. I'm not sure what the official reasons for this are -- perhaps to prevent children from running back home? Whatever they are, this will surely have the effect of shielding the authorities and family courts from criticism which is not proper in an open society. It will cause all kinds of hidden injustices to grow and fester.
In the same way we know if we go to Saudi Arabia and kiss in public we will get arrested others must realise that if they want to live here they abide by our laws.
A solution to such a problem which causes the British taxpayer £40,000 per child a year and causes the parents to be disgruntled and want to go back to Slovakia, is to ALLOW THEM TO GO BACK with ALL THEIR CHILDREN. This will : - make the parents and the children and grandchildren very happy to be all together and the responsibility of THEIR Country's government; - it will go a long way to benefitting the dire financial situation of the UK and NOT BE A BURDEN ON THE BRITISH TAXPAYER. The next step is to GET OUT OF THE EU.
Perhaps Slovakia could ensure that their people do not have to come to another country. Unless of course they find it quite convenient to have another country pay for their people. Child benefit must be something out of their dreams with such large families. - Kirstie, Chatham, 7/12/2012 12:33 ---- Good point, but the government seems to be doing everything what it can to cope with the Roma indifference to society, which is not easy to say the least. It¿s true that the educated Roma is a rare sight in Slovakia. Many even do not speak Slovak and yes Roma mothers tend not to send their children to school (where they could learn Slovak, become educated and break their poverty). After what we have experienced, I think it's better to let them find a better world where to live.
The council workers involved must be sacked and not allowed to work for social services ever again. It would be interesting to know who they are and hear how they made such bad decisions
For the benefit of the hard of thinking and ill informed commenters on here - immigrants from other EU countries are not allowed to vote in General Elections in this country (except Ireland) therefore irrespective of whether they shoud have let them in or not - LABOUR DID NOT LET THEM IN BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD VOTE LABOUR!
It is such a difficult choice..Stay in their homes with their families...... ,where one child may have roamed at night, my Auntie who lived till she was 97 went out at night when she was young and no one in the family knew till she told her niece when she was in her late 80's.She was fine......or let them be taken by the SS and put in camps/government compounds/childrens homes call them what you like, where they could be sexually exploited or goodness knows what and permanently damaged. That's a difficult choice isn't it? This man appears to want to leave the country .Give him his family back and let him go home. Our own homegrown SS seems to have lost its reason .It needs a complete overhaul.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site. - sjh, Southampton, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 11:27 Off you go then sjh, be a foster carer to 4 teenagers who qualify for the high end allowance. These will be teenagers who have been in trouble with the police since a very young age and will steal all your knick knacks or so screwed up they will probably smash your house to pieces. I know I've done it.
Children are always removed from birth parents by social services with good reason. DM say exactly why judges found it reasonable to allow these removals! Don't be one sided! Treat your readers with more respect please!
Thank you DM for bringing this to the public's notice . It needs serious investigation, councils have far too much power and the council members and officers are not th brightest people on the block, just the pushiest.
Playing the racism card. Makes me sick. The sooner we separate from the EU the better. This cannot be good for 'Broken Britain's FAILING ECONOMY'. The more I read the more I wonder what this country is going to be like in 50 years time. What a mess!
Oh the joys of unfettered immigration! As if we didn't have enough social problems of yuour own-we import them en masse.I despair.
Social workers do more harm than good, that is a simple statement of fact. Social Workers should be replaced by panels of level headed members of the local community who are not politically correct and can help families in a sensible manner and not a repressive intimidating one.
There is now provision for Communities & Local Government to take over planning authority functions if they do not perform to an acceptable standard. It is high time that applied to entire local authorities. We could start with those authorities that have ignored government instructions to cut their spending and who have increased charges for local services instead.
There have been racial tensions between Slovaks and Czechs for years but they´ve maintained a balance of peacefull co-existance. Now the EU provides unfettered access to the UK welfare system where Slovak, culture , behaviour and way of life are unacceptable to the majority of British people. Blame this useless government and the EU and be prepared for a lot more of these stories when further rights for child support and a raft of other UK benefits kicks in for Eastern European countries on 1st January 2013
Racism is an OPINION , Racism is ILLEGAL, therefore by that judgment having an opinion is ILLEGAL !!!!!
If you're white, English and working class/poor, you're essentially screwed. London is already not a place for you if you are in that demographic, and I see many large cities and towns are going to become that way as well.
Aparenbtly the house was 'over run with mice'....Better that than over run with rats from the social services !!!.
God save us from all -isms
The secret child courts are a disgrace to any civilised nation, and seem to have very little concern for the needs and wishes of the children. The care system is even worse. We cannot improve the care of vulnerable children if everything is clouded in secrecy, and making it illegal for a family to even seek help from their MP is surely an abuse of their human rights? If we allow these people to come and settle here, why are they not taught about our laws? If they are found to be doing something which is both illegal and stupid, like leaving young children home alone, they should be told why it is wrong, what they should do and monitored to be sure they do it. A child should only be taken from its home if there is definite evidence of abuse - ruling out medical reasons for any symptoms - or severe neglect. Also less severe neglect if the family will not improve after help is given. These youngsters have been separated not only from their parents but also from each other. Very sad
Did anyone see and hear the glib, robotic Labour Rotheram Council apparatchik on TV, mealy mouthing about multi culturalism and childrens' so called "Ethnic needs" etc etc as a reason for tearing already displaced and insecure kids away from a loving home, in which they have flourished, simply because of their parents' political beliefs. Since when are political leanings illegal? and are these children not now British citizens whose needs were being met by wonderful foster parents? And if a disproportionate number of Roma children are being taken from parents and placed in British foster care, how is that meeting their so called ethnic needs? They can't have it both ways!! GIVE THE KIDS BACK TO THE FOSTER PARENTS NOW-I would even contribute to a fund to fight the case for the couple in court and sue the Rotherham Marxists. What is Cameron doing about this? There should be an investigation with council heads sacked and their multicultural manifesto shoved where the sun don't shine!
Well, if people from European union countries come to live in Britain then they have to abide by OUR childcare laws. This includes not letting children aged 2 walk the streets and not leaving children under the age of 12 alone when working. This may be acceptable childcare practice (though I don't know really if it is) in other countries but not in Britain. the parents may see this as racism but maybe it is a bit more complicated than that. It is not right to leave very young children to fend for themselves with no adult supervision and in this country it is law, but maybe these (loving) parents genuinely do not see anything wrong in their behavior. And this whole mess is a direct result of European unions laws on allowing people from other countries live and work in Britain. If anybody from this country went to work in a European union country we would have to abide by the laws of that country, and that would be perfectly acceptable as well.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Newsflash it is out of hand and it is likely to get worse.
Not knowing the social workers' reasons for taking these children into care, I can't really comment. However, I will make the following general point: The ideologically-driven action against the foster parents must inevitably raise questions about social workers' judgement and therefore, also inevitably, make one wonder whether the decision to take the children into care in the first place was completely sound.
The father said he came here to work..so is he working? Or living off the state?
Another mis representing article, at the end of the day, they left their kids at home on their own when they went to work on night shifts. While some info in the artical is interesting. You simply can not leave little kids at home on their own just because its expectable in another country,if they don't like our laws, leave. Simple ...
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Haven't you noticed Soph that immigration has been out of hand for around 40 years now!!
For all you non-believers out there, it nearly happened to my family. We are a normal, loving family. We were lucky. For some innocent families they are unable to obtain justice because of the secret nature of the Family Courts. Every now and then there is a major story, then it all goes away and nothing is ever done. Can you imagine being innocent and having your children taken away?
Britain CANNOT continue to take in the discontented or displaced people of all the world. This country is creaking to a stop - everybody except Cameron and Osborne knows that. And, to be fair, the Labour Party are guilty for letting the crowds in in the first place.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 ................................ It got out of hand 15 years ago, but anyone who dared, or dares to critisise this open door policy is branded a racist, a looney, or a bigot, and that is just by our politicians. The people of this country were warned time and time again and choose to ignore it. Now we really are all in this together
some children were sent back to live with famlyy members ? next question WHO IS PAYING?. i bet i know the answer
Seriously, reading the DM Online makes me wonder why anyone would want to live in the UK let alone move there...!
Gawd, the money this must be costing. No wonder lefties claim that Britain "needs" immigrants - lots more jobs for social workers and the like.
wiseman , Chelmsford, Essex. Kids here in Romania are part of the Family, not just something for Christmas. (If they are even that lucky). All the Orphans were here because the former Dictator banned birth control and anyone using it got a minimum of 12 Months hard labour. Result, Parents unable to care for their Children and he didn't give a darn, so they got put into State run Orphanages. Learn your History before you start criticising those who are correct. Thanks for all the red arrows you all will give me for this People.
it's not just them suffering this problem....we are english, my daughter has just had her 4th took away...why...because she is dyslexic and isn't able to read bedtime stories and school books to the children...and both parents have arthritis....apparantly this means the children will be left caring for the parents by the time they're 12...what a load of b-----s.........social services is run by a bunch of little hitlers with their own agenda and unfortunately i'm not allowed to put my true thoughts into print.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10..............................Sadly, Soph, It's already out of hand, our once proud nation is steadily sinking into the cesspit that our governments over the years have created
These are the kind of things that go on when you set targets for local authorities in sensitive areas such as fostering and adoption. Unfortunately the welfare of children then takes third place in the priorities of our social service departments, behind meeting those targets and pandering to the politically correct views of social workers. This has led to an increase in cases where children are forcibly removed from their parents, and the details then kept quiet from the public through the use of secret family courts. The whole situation is more like something you would have expected in the former East German republic which, unlike this country, is now become a more civilized society
As of December 31st.....rules change and they all have free entry in England....then what.....
This is a direct fault of Blair's open door policy allowing too many people form different countries live together, all with different attitudes to life, different customs, different religions, different values, and different ideas of how to bring up children. But most of all in this case it is fully the fault of Rotherham social services, for using UKIP as an excuse, which is now a racial problem brought on by themselves.
The Roma are one of the most persecuted ethnic groups in history. They are culturally resistant to assimilating to surrounding cultures, so end up being persecuted for their differences. If they took on the beliefs and culture of the surrounding areas, there very quickly would be no Roma culture left to preserve. Look up European AntiZiganism online. Put it this way, black members of the community were legally marginalised for many years, but it is still common for Roma (and other travellers) to be excluded purely on the basis of their culture. Crime rates of previously marginalised cultures do tend to be higher, perpetuating the stereotype.
'..The council has encouraged them to adopt British ways by sending their children to school..' Er, did they also point out that it's a legal requirement?
And whilst this council is removing children from more than likely loving homes, they will leave a child in a house where it is being abused because 'children are better off with their mothers'. If the couples house was full of mice, then why did the council house them in it? or why not give them the support they need to get the house mouseless. And I cannot see any justification for them taking away the newborn of the 17yr old, who is married and has her own home with her husband. But they'll quite happily leave a newborn with its mother of 13 because she's young and needs help and is british. I am the first to admit that it bugs they hell out of me that immigrants get treated far better and quicker than the country's own, but I would never condone the treatment these people have received, that because the council don't like their heritage they shouldn't keep their chidren. I think this council needs to hang its head in racist shame.
Would it not make more sense and be a lot cheaper if these children where adopted in Slovakia
Once again Social workers damned if they do something and damned if they don't. Social Services do not 'steal children' away from their parents. They take them into care for theirr own safety / well being.. I don't believe for one minute Social Workers took the children on a whim and they must have had a very very good reason for removing the children from an obviously very unsuitable environment. The way they treat their children in their homeland may differ from the way they are expected to treat their offspring in the UK. Well done Rotherham Social Services. Has anyone any idea what it costs this country to provide interpreters for all these families coming to the UK and who do not speak a word of English? I am not a racist just a concerned Brit who is watches this country go steadily downhill.
Secret courts with no transparency, medical experts for hire who may never have examined the child, an incredible 500 children a week taken into a care system which has let so many children down? What is happening to this country? How has this taken place without an outcry from ordinary people? Can it be because there is an agenda to promote this and keep it hidden from us? If so where are the decent and courageous MPs who will fight to expose and oppose it? Let's hope that recent events do not emasculate the press who should also be exposing this.
The Good Ship Britannia is sunk under the weight of bureaucracy fermented by uncontrolled immigration. Time to jump ship to somewhere a bit more "Christian"........Serbia would have been nice.....but we bombed the hell out of it......probably for not accepting multi-culturalism.
The immigrants who are beneficial for this country is non-refugee, legal migrants from outside EU. For five years they cannot claim any benefits, they only contribute to this country. Last summer the visa fee is increased by 50% for highly skilled migrants. For a family with two kids it costs 4500 pounds for a two year visa. They cannot claim any benefits, pay extraordinary visa fee,but taxed like anybody else in this country. Not all migrants are same.
This council and their social workers simply need to be sacked.
Their children should be returned to them, after which, they should be sent home to their own country.
If they want to let their two year old children wander the streets in the early hours they should go back to Slovakia. The Rotherham social services have gone up in my estimation. - Catherine Armstrong , Lincoln, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Click to rate     Rating (0) Report abuse -------- Where does it say it was a two year old......nowhere
Rotherham Social Services are on the record that they took the children from the foster parents because of the foster parents political affiliation. This reasoning does call into question whether the original justification for taking the children into care from the Slovak parents was based on legitimate child protection grounds. John Hemming is correct to suggest that perhaps these families should be returned to their country of origin rather than be broken up on the basis of mis-aligned cultural judgements - or more precisely prejudice. The sinister aspect of the actions of the council in this case can be imputed from the statistics on the number of foster care children which 'vanish' each year without trace or follow up search. As the US State department reports, domestic trafficking in children is a problem in the UK, and the UK is a significant end-point country for that trade.
there is free movement of wokers and labour - not free movement for social security. Trust me if you went to slovakia, you would not even get healthcare - no matter how much you moaned that you are from the EU.
I don't believe this story, the fact that the social workers still stand by there decision means they have good proof to remove these kids. - Hally, UK, 7/12/2012 8:58 >>>>>>>>>>> You`ve obviously never been a victim of SS.
I've got to the stage where being classed as a 'racist' for wanting immigration controlled and stopped doesn't bother me. Shame!
SonofBoudicca , Cardiff, United Kingdom ----- That's the problem though, SOME Roma peope do commit crime, as do SOME white British people, SOME black people etc. It's not fair to stereotype based on this. I'm from a Roma family, I don't steal, I don't commit crimes, I went to school until I was 18, I have a degree from one of the world's most prestigious Universities, I'm out of work at the moment due to ill health and disability but do voluntary work in my local community to build myself back up. I have a wonderful non Romani boyfriend who I hope to marry one day. Just because some people who happen to commit crimes happen to share my ethnic background doesn't mean it's ok for people to make lazy stereotypes about me and my family! It's like saying the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves because some of them had dodgy business practices in Germany. We need to judge people on their character, not the colour of their skin, or their ethnic background.
Mary london. You are so right i worked with vunerable and dysfunctional people and i absolutely loved my job but, after 6 years i threw the towel in. The bosses at the top were even more dysfunctional than the people i worked with but the frightening difference is these at the top had the power and nobody to stop them.
We need a different Government and a thorough overhaul of Social Services with added independent scrutiny on their actions and practices. No state system should have autonomy! No state system should have the backing of "private" courts, (namely family courts) without accountability, because things can and do go wrong! What is overwhelmingly obvious, is that overall, there has been a dreadful abuse of power; simply because too much power has been allocated without accountability! Yes children are harmed and we need to protect them, but we also need to ensure that the innocent are protected against, lies, dishonesty, constructive engineering to prove a case and even sometimes perjury! Parliament is at best both weak and ineffective, it has created the laws and the family courts for the right reasons, whilst not acknowledging that the power of these institutions can be used for all the wrong reasons! This is disgusting and so our Mp's for allowing this!~
Makes me think of enforced removal of Aboriginal children right up until the late 1960s.
Different countries have different attitudes. I had to tell a young highly educated Czech family that they must under no circumstances follow their usual custom of leaving their small sleeping children alone in the house while they went out to dinner for an hour or so. ... This is proof how ignorant you are when it comes to a EUROPEAN not Eastern Euro country like the Czech Republic. This is not normal in the Czech Republic and the family you refer to might be of Roma origin which have completely different customs than average Czech people. Don't make us look exotic or anything else, We were building cathedrals when you brits were shivering around the mirracle of fire with nothing to eat. I haven't seen anything that was build or design in Britain whilst Czechs design, construct and build high quality engineering products.
Secret courts are there to protect Local Council Soviets from anyone seeing how vile they are.
The stupid residents of Rotherham keep voting in the same clowns in and get the governance they deserve.. - Mike, Leeds---------------------------------------------------That's because Mike there's a massive amount of immigrants in Rotherham, who do you think they'll vote for?
Careful DM actually the least of their concern would be nationality. I am sick of how social workers are criticized if they don't save a child in need of rescue and criticized if they do. If I was a young person looking for a career in the caring professions I would be scared to go into social services. The DM does not criticize every arrest by the police on suspicion of a crime, stop and search is still out there. Are you saying hands off non British families who are suspected of some form of abuse?
Can we just go back to being a normal country without mass immigration and all the nonsense it brings with it?
kidnapping social workers.....give me a break. The councils can hardely afford to take children into care its so expensive and why the hell would we want to other than to protect children from enduring signficant harm. I would rather be a social work biggot than an ignorant pigheaded idiot that has no idea what children suffer behind close doors. You are proberbly the same people that critise when children don't get removed and suffer awful consequences. Just an idea...If social workers are so awful at their jobs why don't you try doing some community work to help such children and their families rather than sitting of your critical butt.
How in hell can the Father face jail for talking to the press are we a free country and if not what in hell are our troops doing in other countries. The irony of this case is not lost on me, you have UKip supporters looking after Eastern European children when we don't want to be part of the EU. Here is a novel suggestion Jail the Thought police!
It's not just foreign people. My friend's daughter's two children aged 4 and 1 were forcibly removed and put in care. The reason given was that they were in an unsuitable environment as her boyfriend had been prison. (For theft - not for offences against a child). It took her 2 years to get them back - by then the youngest didn't even recognise her, and the eldest had had her lovely long hair cropped short. They've never settled even years after the event. Both children are severely disturbed.I don't understand this at all - surely the treatment here was worse than the disease? They snatched two happy, well cared-for children and gave back two traumatised ones.As it was, the girl broke up with the boyfriend only weeks after the children had been taken into care. Yet she still had to fight to get them back. Don't the social services think of the child's welfare FIRST?
I thought we were supposed to be multi cultural. That should mean respecting the cultures of everyone including the way an alien culture treats their kids. It just goes to show multi culturalism will never work. We end up with mongeral culturism. A complete mish mash of cultures with no identity.
The names and positions of the council workers responsible for these decisions should be made public.
Looks like the bnp have takrn over the comments section, r u too thick to realise this is not about immi,gration but family rights,
Am I on my high horse of what today. Its about time professions like social work that involves working and potentially effecting the life chances of others are checked for their attitudes, principles and values prior to employment. These people can either make or break a persons life. Doctors have to take an oath, About time social workers and nurses did too.
These are the same people (Common Purpose) who through the Leveson report are trying to control what we read in the papers. If they get their way, you won't reading a word about this kind of thing in future.
We would need absolutely no border controls if we didn't have a welfare system. This country's problem is the welfare system is way too generous. It rewards failure and punishes success. Wheres the logic in that?
For us to pass comment and critisise the social workers for why they removed all these children from the home of this one family is not for us to do because the full facts of the case are not in the public domain. For all we know, there may well be serious issues here that the council felt they needed to act upon. The real issue here, that is slowly being painted over in this PR fix it campaign....is that a Government funded body, or employee......be it a national or regional body, under instruction or not, has used its or their position of authority to make a decision against an individual for whom has declared their support of a democratic and legal political party and its opinions. I do not agree with Labours viewpoints on remaining within the EU. If I took a Labour party members political views into account and refused to offer them employment, services or work for them.......what would be said of me. This issue has deeper future issues then what people think.
It would be cheaper for the Council to provide lessons on what is expected in British society than grabbing children and paying £40,000 per year each to care for them. By this, I mean that the parents merely need to understand why it is unsafe for young children to be on the streets at 2am in an English city (which reflects on our society rather than theirs), and probably a number of other things where our culture clashes with theirs. The irony is that if the Council really supported multiculturism it would not be penalising these people for living according to their own culture. It also shows that multiculturalism is unworkable in practice. If you have a lot of groups living according to totally diverse rules and practices all you get is chaos.
I suspect there is a lot more to this story than has so far been revealed. Roma peoples have very different lifestyles to us British, God alone knows how they were treating their children, To suggest that social services removed them from their parent for no reason at all seems highly improbable..
What the hell is going on here? The government needs to step in. They want to leave give them back their children and let them go. How is it allowed that they can just take these people's children. Is it because they failed the young girls who were amused for years? Is this their way of compensating?
social workers disapprove of their non-British ¿lifestyle¿. ...or could it be that '' one of the children was found roming the streets at 2 in the morning'' . I dont think anyone should have a child taken away without good reason. But in my opinion, the above is one of them.
I wonder if social workers operated with such vigor when dealing with the children of the child abuse gangs or move so quickly to protect daughters in certain families where forced marriage is a real possibility. I'll wager they don't because certain ethnicities are teflon coated when it comes to child abuse whilst others are open season fair game to the politically correct family Stazi called social services. To cause a child the emotional torture of being torn from its parents for nothing more than a mice problem & being out a bit late is child abuse.
It seems obvious that the simplest solution is to give these children back to their birth parents and put the whole family on a plane back to Romania. Problem solved.
I can see the banner now, this way to the UK, free benefits, housing etc breed at will. We will even foster out your kids when you turn out to be deadbeat parents I do feel sorry for the kids, they didn't ask for it, but I have nothing but contempt for politicians past and present who have sold this country down the drain. Complain to a politician and you may get called a bigot for your trouble.
UKIP followers aren't racist they are realists. The people of this country had no say in the matter of filling up OUR country with unwanted immigrants. It was Blair and Brown who pushed this to gain thousands of new Labour voters. Our services are stretched to the limit, NHS collapsing under the strain and our welfare system abused by people who have not contributed one penny to the system. The indigenous people of the country are the ones suffering as most of our money is going to support immigrants with housing, healthcare, education and living expenses. To want to save your country is not a racist act, it's an act on necessity for the survival of Britain and it's way of life. The sooner we get out of the EUSSR and repatriate these people the better.
I am a taxpayer. I am sickened that our hard earned money goes to support problem families from abroad, who are NOT our resposibility, and yet there are so many poor British families and hard-up pensioners. The sooner we pull up the draw-bridge the better......a forlorn hope !!
Serious question (with no agenda): If the family returned home to Slovakia - would they be able to take their children with them ? If so why don't they simply do that ?
These families should be treated in exactly the same way as British families and the same criteria should apply for the children being taken into care. Surely if social workers allowed Eastern European children to remain in abusive homes where they would have removed British children, then the social workers could be accused of racism. If the Slovakian parents don't like it then they should return to Slovakia. And if the Slovak government doesn't like it then they should advise their nationals not to come to Britain unless they are prepared to treat their children in accordance with British law.
I am Eastern European and I will be the first one to say that UK government probably had basis for taking these kids away, I clicked on the article as I was interested what the hell had happened but as soon as I saw picture of Romas I understood. Eastern Europe had problems with Romas for years, you'd never find these people working, their children are trained to beg since they are tiny and mothers spend hours sitting on pavements with their newborns. If you allow your child to wonder alone at 2am then I don't care how wonderful as a parent otherwise you are, you deserve to have this child taken into care.
Some of the so called professional organisations we have in this country are rotton to the core. Our old people are abused and neglected, people in hospitals don't get the care they need, they are starved of food and water, some are put on to an appalling patheway to death, social workers take away children from loving families, but ignore blatant abuse when they see it, authorities turn a blind eye to the abuse of young white girls by Pakistani men, the human rights of terroists and criminals are put above victims. and law abiding citizens are fined for putting their rubbish in the wrong bin. The list just goes on and on. I suppose this is what we get when common sense is relegated to below a tick the box system of doing things. It would be hillarious if so many lives weren't being destroyed. Isn't it about time we had a government which actually did make changes to our society, rather than just adding more and more paper work to professionals work loads?
The same kind of crap was done from the 1920s to the 1970s in Australia - again by the socialist do gooders who think they know what's best for everyone. 1. Children of single mothers were forcibly adopted right into the 70s 2. Aboriginal children were taken often without even telling the parents STASI (the E. German secret Police) also would put into care all kids of "policitally unreliable" parents and their kids were put with good communist families. Its all a way of controlling the hoi paloi - do and think what you're told or we'll take away your kids.
The local authority in this sad story are 'Common Purpose' members.
@ sjh - totally agree. Back in the late 70'/early 80's my parents fostered kids. We took in brother and sisters so they would not separated, we had disabled kids and we had a black boy (we are a white family) and we had children from as young as two right
" This country is a disgrace. We are the scum of the world. I'm ashamed to be British. - Noitall , Trashheap, 07/12/2012 11:24" ==================================================================== seems like we are going that way FAST....... //////////////////////////////////////////
You can not put every Slovakian in to the same basket, same as you can Not put every British person in to the same basket!!!!!!!!!!!!
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand.
If they want to let their two year old children wander the streets in the early hours they should go back to Slovakia. The Rotherham social services have gone up in my estimation.
A bit late with story most of it was in the Guardian last week.
For social workers, so scared of being branded racist, to remove these children, there must have been very good reasons. The problem lies with the government allowing in people like this, who offer nothing to the British way of life. Why can't we be more like Australia in who we allow in?
So let's get this straight - social workers who removed 5 children who were left alone at night while the parents went out to work are getting the sticky end of the stick for sending the children back to live with family menbers in their home country .OK. But how very lucky that the family's house didn't burn down one night because then the social workers would have got the sticky end of the stick for not removing the children to send back to live with family members in their home country ... oh hang on a minute, that doesn't seem to work does it? Roma people always claim to be treated badly in their home countries and it's true, they are discriminated against, but it's a shame that so many of them have not taken the opportunity that moving to the UK has given them to prove that they can work, educate their children and become responsible contributing members of a society.
It is a sad fact of life that the majority of people in Eastern Europe hate the Romas (certainly in my experience in Bulgaria and Romania) and discriminate against them. But on the other hand the Romas seem to invite this by the way many of them behave. I have myself been the victim of pickpocketing by a Roma Gang in Bulgaria and several other Brits I met experienced the same - some of them with very dire results. If people behave in an anti-social way, they should not be surprised that their victims don't like them, but that is called "discrimination". I don't blame the social workers if the children were at risk, but that doesn't excuse the blatant political discrimination against the foster carers in the Rotherham case.
I wonder what Rumpole of the Bailey would have made of this case. Alas, we shall not know.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site. - sjh, Southampton, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 11:27 You are absolutely right! I know some families who make fostering as a well paid job, more children you foster more money you get from council. Somehow money is the issue rather than the political reason behind.
At least these Slovaks have a choice. They can leave Britain and return home with their children. What escape do the British parents have?
Well, looks like I'm voting UKIP next election before this situation really gets out of hand.
There is a serious problem with the the so called " social services ". there is a long history of too many failures on their part to deal effectively with the well being of children, and too often it comes down to the blame game and the sweeping of the problem under the carpet. Too often the real problem is with the people in charge and the poor quality of the ' workers ', But are they ever sacked ? No, they are moved or leave with a huge hand out to go somewhere else. Perhaps it's time for a real deep enquiry about what every decent society needs, these should be people who Care. There was a time when every street had an abundance of ' care workers ' they were called " Good neighbours "
I note from the comments that many people are blaming the EU for all these Eastern European immigrants, but it is not the EU at fault it is our own government. Britain is not a signatory to the Schengen Agreement and therefor we are not party to the cross-borders agreements of other countries. IT IS OUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND BORDER CONTROL WHO ARE AT FAULT. What are we going to do about it? Vote UKIP
This has more than a ring of truth about it concerning CERTAIN social workers, just as it applies to CERTAIN police officers, judges, newspaper reporters etc, etc, etc. People get into these jobs/professions after 20, 30, 40 years of "life" and if people tell you they`ve NOT been influenced or biased towards one thing or another by incidents which they`ve experienced themselves or seen, in their `formative` years, then they`re telling `porkies`!!
Different countries have different attitudes. I had to tell a young highly educated Czech family that they must under no circumstances follow their usual custom of leaving their small sleeping children alone in the house while they went out to dinner for an hour or so. Shocking to us in the UK but perfectly normal and expected at that time in the Czech Republic. There was no doubt these parents loved their children very much and would do anything for them- they were excellent parents with happy bright kids-it was just a matter of differing cultural expectations and they had no idea how this behaviour would be viewed here.
Public sector Jobsworths are biggest bigoted control freaks you could ever because they only do what it suits them today and they ignore the most damning problems when they face any degree of difficulty they are a law unto themselves.
Why do so many Daily Mail readers always compete to see who can be the most obnoxious???
Bearing in mind that in English law "the welfare of the child is paramount", it is better to say the children have been deprived of their family than it is to say the family have been deprived of their children. Possibly strange, but true.
People in the social services seem to think they are the cat's whiskers. Glad I left the UK
We are housing, feeding and schooling other countries DROP OUTS. No wonder the country is skint and full of crime. UKIP for me next time.
Yes, this will be the work of Common Purpose again I shouldn't wonder. Foreign children must make especially easy targets for the child stealing campaign. I've been reading about their activities and ¿family courts¿ held in secret for years on the internet. Hopefully now they will be fully exposed for what they are.
Funny how these social workers want to change their lifestyles. Yet children whose parents teach them to hate this country, and it's people those that want a state within a state, do not have their children removed.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London------ Rubbish, they took my Father into care in 1943 because my grandmother was severely ill (Depression) and she had to be hospitalised - she couldn't cope with 3 children after her husband abandoned her during the War. But I suppose they'd have been happier living alone with a severely mentally ill woman who beat them and couldn't put food on their plates in the home they were squatting in?
too many dysfunctional people in these powerful jobs that gives the decent ones a bad name. The dysfunctional ones harm innocent people to alleviate their own distress.
Firstly, our government should scrap these secret family courts and have open courts so truth can be heard publicly and judged on the merits of all parties and their interests. Secret courts should only be used in the case of national interests such as security of the nation in investigating terrorists and those that are a risk to the nation. I view our Social Services as a tool for Labours extreme left ideology of multiculturalism, the Social Service was originally never formed to destroy families, but over the years have have destroyed hundreds of families and ruined the lives of thousands of children. We don't know enough about the Slavakian family because of the secrecy of the courts and the threat of imprisonment of the family if they talk to the Press. Is either side at fault? We shall never know - this is very convenient for Social Services. Our Government could help our dire fiscal problems by axing the Social Services, or at least reducing it in size.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country.
I hope intensive family support was attempted prior to removing the children-many families are inadequate which is not the same as neglectful or abusive! social workers are there to assist inadequate parents but it seems they simply judge and remove children without putting in proper support and advice systems-poor children moved around like pawns in a chess game!
So does this mean that 7 children have been taken into care because they found a boy wandering the streets at 2am, How old was this boy? I remember telling my parents I was staying at a friends and spending the night down the beach with friends and I'm sure millions more have done the same. I'm not sure what sickens me more about this particular comment: "Perhaps if the Slovakians are demonstrating about their treatment in the UK it is probably best if they stay in Slovakia" The fact that Tim actually said it or the fact that its got a 423 ups on it when we are talking about a family that has had 6 of their own children and a grandchild taken into care because their son stayed out one night. The whole social service attitude needs to be fully investigated not just this one case but throughout the country because at this present moment we have around 65,000 children in care and its seems quite likely that a lot should not be there.
This is yet more evidence that local councils should not have the social care remit. Health Care and Social Care are the two elements of Wellbeing. Politicizing social care, with secret court hearings, leads to totally counterproductive 'solutions' that makes the situation worse not better. The answer is to integrate Health and Social Care and make the officers of the Care Quality Commission directly accountable to the electorate every four years.
So much hate. We dont have enough facts to make any real assessment of the situation. Sensationalism at its worst. Whatever the facts these poor children are bearing the misery of this situation. Very sad.
It always baffles me why people hate social workers so much. They are trying to protect the people in society who cannot protect themselves such as children. There are thousands of children in this country that have child protection plans which the parents have the opportunity to work with before the social worker make an application to the courts to remove the children if things haven't improved. In this case the police were used who have the powers to remove children on an emergency basis which means that things are so bad that they couldn't wait for a court order. Also just to point out only courts and police can remove children, social workers can only apply to these people who make the decisions. When are parents going to take responsibility for their neglectful or abusive parenting rather than blaming the people who have to intervene and try to protect children from significant harm. PS SW always try to keep children within the family whenever safe to do so.
Perhaps Slovakia could ensure that their people do not have to come to another country. Unless of course they find it quite convenient to have another country pay for their people. Child benefit must be something out of their dreams with such large families. I don't like the Machiavellian behaviour of our Secret Social Services, but if Slovakia is so bothered why not do something to make living as a family in their home country is possible instead of handing their problems over to us.
Social workers do not remove children from families it is the courts who do this based on evidence from such agencies as education, health visitors, doctors, social services and relevant others including family members and children. The children`s needs always come first and depending on their ages their views and wishes are always taken into account. social workers are damned if they do and damned if they don`t. The media only present what they want to print and due to confidentiality social services cannot give a full account of the background.
Its the Australian Aborigine children fiasco... all over again.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is? - ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32 On CNN being interviewed by his buddy Piers Morgan. Don't ask me what about as I flicked on channel & seeing his innane grin on the screen flicked it off again. I thought my dislike for the guy might have subsided but no I felt just the same!
Thanks for nothing, Mister Blair - whilst seriously hoping that you're never knighted or ennobled in any way except downward from 'Mister'.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site.
If Social Services had problems with this family previously why did they let them adopt more children? This Department not fit for purpose. By the way. I haven't seen Gordon Brown. He could be in a street near you. In disguise!
All the people saying they should go home because they're tourists/bleeding the country dry - these people came looking for jobs, found the menial jobs no-one would do, and have had their children stolen by the Social Services because they couldn't afford decent homes. JJE
"I was a child in the 50's no social services things went along just fine" Maybe it did for you but not for the hundreds of children who were battered and/or killed by their parents each year. Just look at death rates of children killed by adults and you will see that this is being reduced, mostly by the police and social services. What a stupid comment to make. Maybe we should all turn a blind eye and see how these kids get on without other people to help them when the parents who should love and nurture them neglect and batter them. I'm sure they won't thank you.
This country is a disgrace. We are the scum of the world. I'm ashamed to be British.
I just want to point out, because many are ignorant of it, that it was not a crime to kill a Roma in western Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. These stringent laws finally caused the Roma to leave western Europe for eastern Europe, where they were tolerated, although they never really became part of society. One empress and her son even allowed them to settle down under certain conditions. Now, because your laws and the EU laws respect all the human rights, the Roma are coming back. That¿s it.
what have these parents done wrong to attract the vitriol? Having their kids taken away for no good reason isnt enough for some on here
If families require support re 'good parenting' then I'm all for it. However, if the governments of their home nations are calling for it then it is they that need to put their hands in their pockets to support it. As for social workers - god only knows why their practice is so different from county to county, or why some appear to involve personal opinion rather than professional. To my mind all social workers should sing from the same hymn sheet. And in the event that anyone is one and wants to bleat about their case loads etc, don't bother. I work within the children and young people sector and would love to be able to say that social workers do an awesome job. Of those that I've met/worked alongside, most don't.
"Thousands of Eastern Europeans have moved to Rotherham" What the hell.......The politicians don't care about this country and its people¿s identity, to them more people means more tax? It¿s a small island (ironically surrounded by water) so why do we need so many immigrants¿¿? And people wonder why racist attacks are going up. Also if you vote/voted for Labour you have no right to complain about the effects of mass immigration.
The 'thought police' who make politically correct decisions which wreck people's lives, have very strange values. They disapprove of the UKIP, but last Saturday in Derby, I saw a woman carrying a National Union of Teachers bag dishing out 'Socialist Workers' with a poster saying 'Bring Down the Government'. Interesting that nobody considers this woman, who doubtless spends her working life indoctrinating children (like the BBC's Newsround does), unsuitable to work in such a post.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist. - John S , Bromley, United Kingdom, 07.............so they came to Uk five years ago and have had 7 children and 1 grandchild taken into the care of thet state what would you describe them as ?
This is not how the story was told innitially. Now that we know some facts, I really feel sorry for the kids in care of this Slovak Roma family. Whether they are Roma from Romania, Slovakia, Poland or other parts, the kids in their care will not follow the normal path of going to school, studying then working etc but more the opposite. The kids will be the big losers.
I predict that the next election could be the time when UKIP come good. They may not win outright but from what I'm hearing longstanding voters of both the Labour and Tory party have finally realised that neither party actually has any credibility in Britain anymore.
This is disgusting. What on earth is wrong with this country. So much shocking and immoral behaviour. Give these people their children back How can anybody destroy a family in such a way. Those that hush up and play a part in practices like this are such fools as well as evil. For every bit of bad u give out it will come back on you tenfold. So u councillors and social workers being so wicked karma WILL get u
So this story is about Roma parents and their children.This is why Social Services keeps taking children away,not because they are from Eastern Europe,(where they are in trouble with Social Services as well )
Typical Labour. think what we want you to think or else...
Wasn't abolishing the secret courts one of Cameron's election promises ? The country is falling apart whilst he struts around 'on the world stage' throwing away our (borrowed) money.
Without transparency these hidden courts, parents secret trials and abuse by the state will continue. Without the ability to challenge the social workers parents will find themselves in an impossible situation. We need some one with some gumption in Government to do something now and correct this.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is? - ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32 ----------He's sitting at home enjoying his parliamentary salary - that is when he is not jaunting around the world on other peoples money.
here is an idea take your children back and then go home where the social workers will not get involved and the british tax payer will not have to pay loads of money keeping your children it is getting ridiculous when we are cutting services penalising the very poor with little pay rises , targeting maternity pay and child tax credits of the lowly paid but these people can swan into this country and we pick up the tab close the borders from now . all the eu can do is fine us and it will still be cheaper
No admirer of social workers, but there has to be more to this story.. They're costing us a ruddy fortune and for what ? Do they work hard and give something back to the system ? Nope, they just keep on taking, and we have enough of our home grown scroungers doing that ! If they come here without a bean in their pocket and no skills and no intentions of working, how the hell are they allowed to stay ?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50 ========= That's progress for you. Mass immigration, inability to get rid of undesirable people of which there are thousands, nanny state, interfering jobsworths, compensation culture, and foreigners religion overruling everything to name a few ills of this once great country.
Ah multiculturalism doing well I see. Thank you Gordan and Tony.
Simple soultion if you think Britian is stealing your kids, don't come here. we'd be more than happy, it would save our money & resorces being used on your kids.
What exactly is there life style ?
Your comments: Children deserve to be looked after well. To create different standards according to race/culture would be unworkable for the authorities and unfair to the children. It would also dilute further our standards of parental and social behaviour. Anyone moving to a country where the culture is completely different to their own needs to understand that their behaviour will need to change or they will fall foul of the laws and gain no respect.
Here's a plan,why don't they go home and take the social workers with them,a classic case of killing two birds with one stone.
social worker = damned if you work and damned if you hold backs. Poor weasels
I weep for the hard working tax payers in this broken land, never have so few, been fleeced by so, many for so long, and the insults to them are endless. The U.K. P.A.Y.E. tax payer the most abuse, most put upon,and for sure the most endangered creature on the planet. god bless them.. the coup de gras is not to far away thank god. Rumania soon to join the E.U. a report 400,000 Roma ready to flee.. I wonder where they will be focused on..
Hopefully this will discourage these people from coming to Britain!
As I understand the laws introduced on behalf of the Race Industry, if the social workers have been accused of racism, the police are required to investigate that accusation. I wonder if that applies to The Establshment as it does to the, mainly innocent, taxpayers who fund their prejudices.
They shouldn't be in the UK any way living on benefits. The UK is within it's rights under EU law to return them and deny them entry.
In the good old fashioned way, if you don't like it here then go somewhere else.. Please do
This is disgusting behaviour by Social Services and their ilk! How dare they steal children from hard working parents and under the guise of protecting the children's identities refuse to justify their actions. It is despicable what they are doing. If we do not fight these goons at every level every ordinary family is going to be so scared of these monsters that they (the parents) will do anything to appease these monsters in order to keep their children. It must be stopped. I am appalled that this has happened. Arggghhh!
You only need to read a story like this one to know why the U.K. is completely bankrupt.
is this why this story has gone quiet? a cover up it seems!
What a tangled web the politicians have woven for us all.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic, London, 7/12/2012 11:50---------------------------------------- Simply factually inaccurate: Social Services have existed sinc eth formation of the Wlefar State in late 1940s - - they just had other names and the 'problems' were only recognised as being 'inner city', but in reality rural poverty, overcrowding in slum dwellings, alcoholism, drug abuse, abusive parents were all around in those days - - with only BBC and newspapers the mid-1950s the situation often went under/un-reported. It was groundbreaking Kathy Come Home, Taste of Honey etc. in the mid-60s really raised awareness of the need to expand and train more dedicated professional 'social' worker systems.
like the miialllitary industrial complex . like private prisons like the cancer industry like big pharma .like big ag , its all about the money folks its all about the money .
If the family were that bothered about their kids they would take them back home.
I can't believe a social worker would storm in and take 7 children without due cause, there's more to this than we know. Of course the father is denying any wrong doing, he's not going to admit if he's a bad parent. British or not if you can't look after your children adequately then you shouldn't be a parent.
I'm sorry the British are the minoity now in Britain. Isn't there something wrong with that? I have no problem with the wlfare state helping those in real need, but it's becoming a choice for many immigrants and lazy folk. We can't afford it, so something will have to give over the next few years. I at least stood up and spoke about the dangers of joining the EEC yonks ago when Maggie was pushing the idea. We may live next door to some of these countries, but we don't have to get into bed with them. Folk need to work and have the money to have kids before having so many. You can't tell me this father was earning sufficient to raise these children. Slovakians should be in Slovakia. For heavens sake, what is Britain turning into? And, why oh why, does the tax payer always have to pick up the tab. It's time for the sheeple to rise up, but being britain, all they'll do is moan. At least the Greeks know how to demonstrate. Mamby pamby Britain, eh?
According to Migration Watch, there are in excess of half a million illegal immigrants in London alone and I understand that there is a cap on migrants from eastern Europe which is due to be removed very soon. The government recognises the strain on public services but their answer is just to impose financial cuts and to tax us more. There is a better solution - put a stop to immigration and the only way that ever will be possible is if we leave the EU. And whilst we keep voting for the three "main" parties, that will never happen. I just hope that the dyed-in-the-wool Labour, Liberal and Conservative voters wake up to that before it`s too late !
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London------ Rubbish, they took my Father into care in 1943 because my grandmother was severely ill (Depression) and she had to be hospitalised - she couldn't cope with 3 children after her husband abandoned her during the War. But I suppose they'd have been happier living alone with a severely mentally ill woman who beat them and couldn't put food on their plates in the home they were squatting in?
Simple answer send them all back to their Country of origin and let them sort the problem out,it isnt ours.
I have had experience with Rotherham's social services, and they are corrupt, vile, when found out to be in the wrong, its lie after lie from them...but that is LABOUR for YOU.
The social services are guilty of ruining these young children lives the children probably don't understand wha'ts happened. These people brought these poor children into their home to give them some sort of normality, this has now been taken away and all just before christmas. Its disgusting.The council workers responsible should be sacked as they are racist even to think these people are not good enough because of their nationality and their political views. I vote UKIP and i hope that the rest of the country follow my political beliefs but that does not mean that i should not if i was younger deny me the right to foster under priveledged children.Surely a loving family life is better then being brought up in a care home. This is so disgusting and should be stopped immediately. ( sorry about spelling ) Give the children back there are far to many children in homes waiting for good foster parents.
It is wrong and illegal to bring children up as beggers, and open to exploitation.
"The family courts operate in strict secrecy to protect the identities of the children involved. It means that evidence given by social workers and their hired medical experts cannot be publicly challenged. " The only people protetected are the social workers, lawyers and judges. The whole secrecy system needs to be abolished. A media campaign could do it. One for you, Daily Mail!
Having worked with Social Workers I find them the most frustrating out of all health/care professionals. They are arrogant, self-important and narrow minded. They are also often not the brightest people in the world. There is also so much pointless admin in this field - even worse than in the NHS! No doubt all the admin they do was created and encouraged by one of them to try and justify their roles. Halve the number of Social Workers for a start, why are there so many of these pointless people. I mean, if they are suspecting abuse, this is criminal and the people should be deported if they do not have a British passport. It's as simple as that.
To be fair, gypsie ghettos in Italy and Romania etc are freaking horrible places so I can't really blame social services for wanting to not repeat them
Jobsworth fruitcakes. Self-important mentally challenged. 'Social workers'? Left wing councillors trying to impose their twisted will on others. This whole affair hilights the need for a complete overhaul of our social services - there are too many mistakes and over-the-top judgements made by immature fools.
This can't be true, it has not been reported by the BBC. (Anyone who knows any social workers will be aware that they are placed between a rock and a hard place trying to handle the social consequences of an open door policy. Don't expect any of our politicians to speak up for them or let them reveal the wider scenario resulting from their policies. Thank you Teflon Tony for your efforts and call me Dave for continuing in the same vein.)
Move to Britain and be owned by the state?
@weehighland lass, it may not be your intention but you have just made the case for those opposing the social workers activities. That is the very point, if social workers were effective, and that means there are enough of them, they are well trained, and
Oh God, why did we ever join the EU. It's all thanks to Gordon Brown for allowing this country to get in such a mess. We need to get out of the EU - it's become a disaster!!!
Why the hell would you want to let this lot in, hardly a benefit to UK society.
"Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is?"...............does anybody care?
You pay in - they draw out.
Like in most things in Britain today, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the apple barrel, Rotherham social services messed up big time by becoming political and accusing a foster family supporting a rising political party of being racist. Some in the social service do an excellent job, others like many today in the UK have been promoted to a position they should never ever be in. A lot if not most of the problems in the UK are down to the dogma of political correctness, children being left to abuse and targeted by minority groups who are left and abandoned because police and social services do not want to be seen as racist or the complete opposite happening and children from a loving foster family being removed because they are of a different race or culture. Until a government is willing to stamp out the corrosive cancer that is political correctness nothing will change. Churchill once said, the fascists of the future, will be the anti-fascists. He was right.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic, London, 07/12/2012 09:50 If you were a child in the 1950s you'll be begging for a social work visit soon. I suggest you reserve judgement
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 7/12/2012 8:46 --------- This comment is a typical Socialist response to any sort of discussion about controlling immigration. It is NOT racist to control the quality of the people who are allowed to come and live in your country. It is not about where they are FROM but what they can DO to benefit our society.
this shows the moral standards in this country are collapseing when i grew up in the fifties we had none of these problems with children social workers were not heard of
Send them all BACK TO SLOVAKIA!!! I am a Slovakian, have lived in the UK for the last 15years, always have supported my self financially and never claimed any benefits. I have a well regarded job and if I didnt like British culture i would go back home, right? (cant believe this is what my tax is wasted on!)
Appalling. The fact that we are IMPORTING CHILDREN TO FOSTER is beyond belief. Send them back. But worse than that, the fact that parents are being jailed for speaking to the press is OUTRAGEOUS, IS WORSE THAN LIVING UNDER COMMUNISM.
What a state the country is in! Millions of migrants swarming here to scrounge benefits. Labour governments ans councils infested with Marxists, governed by Brussels. We may have been in a better state had we lost the last war.
Six of their offspring ??? How many have they got then and how many more afre we paying for ????????? Just one final thought, why arent they in Slovakia ????????????????????????????????????????????
These people should never have been allowed in the country in the first place!!! The blame lies with the Lib/Lab/Con open door immigration policies and the idiots who keep voting for them..
This article is not about Roma ppl, but about CHILDREN !! Is not just slovaks, easter europeans, but also BRITISH kids taken by social services from innocent families. That is problem and it is a sick system in UK (but also other european counties, Norway, Germany, etc...). Trust me these Slovak families WOULD LOVE to leave UK, but cant... without their kids :(( Why british courts dont want to let slovak kids go back home and their are sending them to british foster families? Do you know how much you are paying for that (social services, many cases, judges, laywers)? Millions of pounds every year. Much more than you are paying for eastern europeans staying in your country. Please do some research and then make an opinion. I agree you dont like staying trouble making Roma families in UK (we also dont if they are like that), but we also dont like you drunk guys destroying our city centre Bratislava during your stag parties. We should all fight for some family rights and our CHILDREN!
If you worked with these people like I do, you would soon understand why their children have to be placed in suitable care. They aren't Slovaks (and Slovakia isn't in Eastern Europe) - they are Roma, and even in Slovakia many of them live unacceptable lifestyles, however they don't have the same well-developed social services that we do and that is why they come here, thinking it is a soft touch, but far from it. My wife is Slovak, and we speak Slovak at home with our children, but we wouldn't dream of being associated with anything that these people get up to.
I don't know where to begin on this one! All I do know is that this situation can, potentially, be multiplied many times over from 31st of this month when we can expect floods of people from another two eastern EU countries. In this case, return the children to their parents at the airport, as they board a flight home and tell them to tell their mates back home not to come to the UK as the social workers will snatch their children if they do.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country.
Just wait until the temporary restrictions are lifted on migrants coming in from Romania and Bulgaria - this is just the very thin edge of the wedge, wait until the floodgates open.
Wow , these immigrants are costing us more than i thought , much more , i wonder how the residents of Rotherham like paying their council tax ? Bad enough without all that childcare cost , glad i don't live there .........wish I didn't. Not a good place to live at all, believe me.
quite clearly, the insidious politically correct Left are now the new breed of 21st century fascists!
Racist has become one ot the most abused and meaningless words in the English language. Accuse me of proven neglect of my children, I throw back that you are a racist , never mind where truth lies, the chancers charter. We have become a very silly people.
We always hear of "lack of communication between departments" as an excuse (although not necessarily in this case) - so why not amalgamate social services into the POLICE FORCE, and the immigration department too. Also, locate subsidiary police stations next to the casualty department in hospitals. All more efficient, save loadsa money, no communication breakdown - all singing from the same hymn sheet on behalf of the beleaguered working taxpayer.
Very sorry state of affairs all round, but the main problem, is the open door policy of the EU, endorsed by Labour when in power, even now the current Government, will not do anything to upset the EU, like giving us a referendum on our membership of the EU. UKIP has for a long time spoken out for the majority of the people whom it would seem from polls want out of the EU, the Government know this, that the vote would go against Britain staying a memberof the EU that is why we will never ever get one, not from any of the established parties, it has to be UKIP, no Question! (just think of the benefit payments that would be saved,by not being a member of the EU thus reducing the amount paid out, a main target of Wednesday's autum statement)
So whose idea was it at the beginning to tell people that the children were from an ethnic minority ?Was it to make the adoptive parents really look bad, as well as to say they belonged to UKIP ?
Some Social Services seem to want children rather too much..................... In this case there is another option, though - WHEN all the EU refugees go back to their homelands, they can take their children WITH them........
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 07/12/2012 08:46 That's because immigration is somehow much tighter in Germany, Agnes.
No weehighlandlas, you may not do it for the money but you certainly do it for the unwarranted power it gives you, power which under any other circumstances you would never be handed. If ever there was a case for Human Rights, this must be the prime candidate. The Act rightly attracts criticism but can obviously be disregarded by Social Workers, many of whom are so wet behind the ears that they leave a trail behind them and so Left leaning that they can only walk in circles. Poorly paid? In the majority of cases grossly overpaid! Yes, you are criticised when things go wrong - how many times do you get it right?
Rotherham council have failed to protect young girls but target the law abiding and onviously loving parents of small children... 20 police to capture four little kids in their own home?... because taking on gangs and actually doing their job is far too much like hard work. In the history of the Social Services there has never been any care for the children, merely for the various department's' status and that of the departmental heads. Individual social workers often work their hearts out, trying to make a difference, but they'll always lose out to the majority and to the bureaucrats.
The Roma lifestyle is parasitic, perhaps not the traditional one, but many these days rely on hand-outs, begging and theft to support their huge families with no regards for anyone, including their own offspring, but themselves. They are a huge problem the further east you travel and will simply take full advantage of our welfare system, with no shame, at every opportunity. I don't know what the answer is but they are not the romantic traveling workforce of craftsmen that they portray themselves to be, and perhps once were.
This sounds like there is far more to the story than the family would have us believe!
Your evil SS workers should focus on families ,who abuse and dont take care of children for REAL. Where are they when child starved to death, when is sexually abused, when is beaten by parents etc. This buesniss with children is making mi sick. How can mother be a possible risk for child even when is not born yet. She doesnt even got chance yet. I am a mother of three and I sometimes feel I will get mad , when they are naughty and so what -now do I have to have my kids removed? Next minute everything is fine and live goes on. If u dont care for your families , whoes kids are been removed from them for no reaseon, you will have to listen and read about ours, Slovak, because we will spek up. Because for us innocent families is the most importat thing in the worl and we will stich together. We will fight for our families, why if the judge said, parent had done nothing is taken 2 years to give children to their lovin mum. Because of corrupt and sick social system of your country
Yes, yes all Social Worker are lazy, incompetent, racist lefties who should leave kids with their parents no matter what. That's until one of those kids are killed and then it's 'why didn't Social Work do something? What were they thinking? Let's scapegoat one of them (usually the student Social Worker who's caseload is 4 times bigger than is safe'. We've heard it all and have to carry on trying to keep kids safe under the most difficult of circumstances. It's just as well being a social worker is it's own reward, we certainly don't do it for the money or the thanks!- weehighlandlass, Fort William, 7/12/2012 9:27 ---- and what is your comment as to why two foster children were taken away from loving foster parents for no more reason than they support UKIP?
Rotherham council - at the forefront of a repeat of the illegal snatching of children so they can be fostered by "politically correct" parents, reminds me of the debacle where British children of the poor were illegally taken away and sent to Australia to be little more than cheap slave labour. Who was in political power when those children were snatched and taken to Australia - LABOUR. Who is in charge in Rotherhan under the latest illegal child snatching campaign - NULABOUR Anyone who votes NuLabour is voting for illegal child snarching and political correctness. How soon before your child is illegally snatched and given away to "politically correct" parents?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50---------------- Because in the 1950s children were raised by a mother and a father (almost always); they had a granny living nearby and aunts and uncles too. Now families are broken, misshapen, constantly reforming with stepchildren, and then breaking up again. Of course children get beaten and abused by the mother's latest transitory boyfriend. He doesn't love them!
And we thought we defeated the NAZI's. Maybe those from Rotheram who fought believed they had. How would they feel to know that their town was now run by them? Eugenics isn't far away! (and wasn't that a NAZI doctrine also)?
What about the kids who were left alone on holiday in a foreign country. Their kids were not taken away.
The good news to this is at least the protests in Slovakia may stop hundreds of other families arriving here to 'use' our system!!
I have worked on a children's home and I have seen many children come and go through the system. Many from quite middle class family's and many from lower class family's. But it doesn't matter what class you come from as it's the way children are treated and the behaviours from the children themselves. There must be some reason as to why these children have been taken. Maybe they bring there children up differently to the way the social services here agree to, but then if they want to be in our country they need to be doing things the right way. If its an issue they should have stayed put 5 years ago.
The blame for all this, lies with successive governments !!!
Arrivederci Roma
councils dont take the decision lightly to remove children from their parents they must have had real fears for their safety in this day and age they are damned if they do and damned if they dont leaving children roam the streets at 2.00am is not what responsible parents do my advice is to give them their kids back and a ticket back to whence they came
The Social Services here should arrange a full family exchange with the Slovakian social services. Then they can all go back. Why are we allowing families in with so many children to claim off UK benefits.
I knew it all along. There is deep discrimination and racism against East Europeans that is quite frankly disgusting. Many it seems, including social services AND the leaders of Labour and Conservatives seem to think racism against East Europeans is fair game. They must be called to answer this. It is disgusting and we must know the reason for it!
This Cultural Revolution - check out The Frankfurt School - has been a work in progress since the 1920's. The whole modus operandi of this group has been to get us as a Nation to where we are despairingly today. Politicians and Goverments can do squat against these unstoppable forces, the cancer is too deep and terminal.
How different to the life lead by our own ,dear Royal family !
The stance in this article is all wrong, these children were taken from a dirty home where there were mice after a child was found in the street at 2am! If anything happened to those kids everyone would be in uproar so make your choice, do you want child poverty even if they are not British children or do you want to send a message to every parent from anywhere in the world that states if you come to our country you give your kids the BASIC human needs, a clean home, an education and a routine! Well done to the Council, they have taken a very tough stance that is better for the children. As for the UKIP debate, well done to the social services again, the foster parents support not having those kids in this country so how can they say they will look after the childrens needs! You wouldnt give a racist a black child to bring up and its the same here! Come on Britain do we want our country to stand for something or not, if so stop moaning when things are starting to be done!
This is not intended as a racist comment but if immigrants don't prefer to live by our standards they can very easily go back to their own country. If they aren't on benefits then they are taking jobs for British workers.
what the hell is going in this once proud country.
500000 and the rest on their way from Romania next and still no legislation to protect the British public.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country. Perhaps you should shut up or educate yourself.
They the labour party are to blame for the unrestricted access by anyone who wanted to come and live off the social in Britain. It may not be much of a lifestyle but certainly its Claridge¿s in comparison to there Eastern European life . What is to be done is come down like a ton of bricks on Rotherham Council, labour or not. Then just stop this continuing drift of economic migrants whilst letting ordinary English people die of cold this winter. Just wise up Theresa May because this is where your battle is in the next election not in high finance.
There is 2 sides to every story. Just because the family are saying they are good parents doesn't mean they are. The social services don't take children away from parents for no reason. That is always the last resort. What kind of parents let their children play out at night and what kind of people live in mouse infested houses! No place for children. I am sure they would have been given time to sort the mess out. And if they suspect abused by the father then I'm sure they looked into that. If all this was going on them you should be praising social services. And as for the ukip couple having them taken off them, well that's right how can a couple that are against Europeans living in this country and uk been in the eu look after children from the eu...surly they would want them to go back home.
The Slovakian (and other Eastern European) people should be informed that the UK is not a very nice place to live and bring up children, it appears that we have done our best in the past and have failed, best stay at home in your own country where you are understood and can bring up your children (no matter how many you have) in a way that you see fit.
gamma bucharest. You are 100% correct. I am a Brit living in Ploesti. Most British Parents would do well to come to Romania to learn how to bring up their Children properly.
- Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50------- We don't. They are just another example of State expansion and control.
send the family home why the hell are they the taxpayers problem?
@ FrankFisher: "If I moved to a foreign country, and they took away my children, I think I'd take them back and go home. Just a thought". But they won't give him his children back, genius, so how can he leave? If you'd bothered to read the article, you wo
Social workers are power hungry do gooders who abuse such powers
For those commenting on how we don't like foreigners in UK, you're wrong, we like foreigners, we just don't want them all living in our country. We have enough people to fill the place.
Frank Fisher hit the nail on the head.....meanwhile,why not send the entire town's Social Service system to Slovakia for all the use it is here.
Seriously if people don't like it here in Britain, the way they are treated etc GO HOME!
Well if the Slovakian Government don't like it they should take the family back and save us the expense. Oh wait even if they went back the British tax payer would still be paying for them thanks to the EU dictatorship!!!!!
Well done Emma. I am also from what many would call Eastern Europe, never claimed a penny off the State, and never would, paid for University (whilst working during the night in a bank cheque processing centre), now work full time and have my own business employing others. And my English is better than most native speakers'. And I am absolutely sternly against benefits, unless it's for people who have contributed and need help short-term. We don't know enough about this family to make conclusions, simple as that.
@ ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32, Does anyone care?
It appears the Council of Europe ignores the English children being snatched from their parents, but is quite happy to make a case for the Slovak parents, welcome to multi-cultural Britain.
Social workers, Cafcass and Family Courts should be disbanded. My daughter was allowed by Court and Cafcass to make life long decision never to see father or his family again and she was 13!
Secret courts and Socialists are a highly toxic combination. Both have no place in a civilized country.
Give them their children back, and help them return to their own country, where presumably they can live their own lifestyle - after all that's where it originated - and carry on having lots of children, happily ever after. Return all these homes to the housing stock for OAPs who worked hard all their lives and use the saving in benefits for meals on wheels. Do this on an industrial scale. As for Rotherham Council - they seriously need restructuring. The savings there will also be worth making.
Has the Political left wing activist Thacker been suspended yet ? If not , why not ?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now?
social services target the innocent when they should be helping more kids that really do need help.
Perhaps, this is part of the fall out of the last Labour governments "Open Doors"(TM) policy for mass immigrations from EU States of the old Warzaw Pact States, and immigration general. Perhaps also, this Council is dominated by too many left wingers with their own 'agendas' and 'axes to grind' But we can never know what motivates Social Services Departments - it is often a case of "Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't!" (thanks a bunch the last Labour government - your 'All Inclusive, One Size Fits All' policies are going to have social implications for many, many years to come).
Do any of the Roma parents work, or do they contribute to UK taxes in any way? if not they should be sent back to where they came from
When i was a child in the forties i remember in cinemas seeing clips on Pathe news showing the German s.s. in some european countries herding children away from their familiesand thinking how terrible this was. Is Rotheram council not acting in the same way. This needs to be explained fully, not hidden away and these parents threatend with imprisonment if they speak publicly. Just who is responsible for taking these descisions.
Social Services have acted wrongly in this case, there is no doubt, but if the Slovak parents are so outraged, why don't they take their kids and go home. They won't, of course, as life is too good in this country on benefits. We will get more of this as the years go by, unless our politicians have the guts to control immigration.
So that is how Labour is doing it. Let anyone in, big families most welcome. Get the parents to vote Labour. Take away the kids on gounds you make up on the spot so the family wants to return home. Well done Liebour, good for this oudious party that everyone things is for the people and is really bad for the country.
Here's a plan - come out of the EU and these people will not have the right to live here and can return home to live however they choose.
More evidence that Labour controlled local councils and social services operate like the soviets in old Communist Russia. The Communists believed that children should be brought up by the state to ultimately be 'obedient workers' and would break up families as well. It's sad to see this archaic and failed socialist ideology still manifest itself in Britain in the 21st Century.
Blame the EU, yes - but it's our own traitor Left with their PC poison, pushing this on us with or without the PC EU.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is?
They should go back from whence they came and they can work and lead the life style they like.
There's more to Britain than just coming here for work. .blah,blah .blah - Mysay , Leicester, 07/12/2012 08:5 Another ignorant comment from an half literate Brit. I am a Brit living in Eastern Europe, You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up.
Perhaps if the Slovakians are demonstrating about their treatment in the UK it is probably best if they stay in Slovakia
Yes, yes all Social Worker are lazy, incompetent, racist lefties who should leave kids with their parents no matter what. That's until one of those kids are killed and then it's 'why didn't Social Work do something? What were they thinking? Let's scapegoat one of them (usually the student Social Worker who's caseload is 4 times bigger than is safe'. We've heard it all and have to carry on trying to keep kids safe under the most difficult of circumstances. It's just as well being a social worker is it's own reward, we certainly don't do it for the money or the thanks!
And I suppose if one of those children is snatched off the street at 2 in the morning then that would be social services fault for not protecting them?! Seriously enough is enough. If you chose to live here you are choosing to abide by our laws and customs.
We should close down all social services and make a fresh start.
"Those whom the God's wish to destroy they first make mad." How do we climb out of this rabbit hole?
Wrong very wrong
All families are given the practical support that the father has 'suggested' and many many steps on place before they remove children, unless they are in danger. They have chosen to come to Britain so therefore are obliged to suit our cultural expectations, as mentioned. E.g a clean home, school & not beating your children?
I am voting UKIP
I hate to side with the social services, we only hear from this father's side and I am sure there are good reasons for his children to be removed. I bet he is also on benefits and if he wants to go back to Slovakia, then the children should be returned to him and let him take his whole scrounging family back to his home country and save the taxpayers lots of money.
only ukip can stop this huge amount of cash uk is spending - wasting through being in eu.mr cameron will not get us out eu so we the public must unite and get ourselves out of eu by voting ukip.
Why are taxpayers supporting these children? If the Slovak Govt is complaining then send the children back.
The local social services are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. So now we have the Father an immigrant, all those children, living off the state, and if is found to be doing something wrong, in the way he is raising his children, then use's the Get out Clause, and plays the "Racism" card.... Never mind, that the authorities found one of their children rooming the streets at 02:00am in the morning....? Thats more then irresponsible. Why is this country having to deal with all these multi children migrant Family's anyway.....didn't take Them long to get a house.....Who's paying for it all...... US, the British mugs of Europe.....
"£40,000 a year for each of the seven children" ! How much are foster parents paid?
Social Services are a joke!
Oh I am shocked to hear this-this is plain wrong and heart breaking to all concerned.
If I moved to a foreign country, and they took away my children, I think I'd take them back and go home. Just a thought.
It is sheer madness to allow families or individuals into this country who are not able to support themselves Why on earth should the taxpayer continue to fund all these people flooding in to our country? Sounds like the father wants to go back, let him and take his entire brood with him
Terrible how they were treated. I completely understand if they all decide to go home. Except they won't of course... and we all know why.- Maggie, Oxford, 7/12/2012 2:04 >>>> We actually don't. We don't know much about the family at all due to the arcane secrecy laws that surround the work of the family courts. We don't know if they work hard and pay taxes or lie in bed all day and claim benefits. Myself and my husband are both 'EU migrants' so we feature in every Daily Mail shock statistic about immigration, especially the ones about birthrates to non-nationals (we have had two children in London). To make assumptions about people based solely on their ethnicity is racism at its most basic. You might want us to leave too us given similar sketchy details, but as it happens our UK tax contribution last year was over a million pounds.
Social Services dont act in many cases where abuse is known but do take away children from loving Foster familes because of their private views! This is incompetence beyond belief!
Lets be honest, this is getting far to close to home now in fact it happened last year in our road. The cases are being documented by people ,which are being recorded as the events unfold . Evidence is being stored for the children to be able to sue the LA's make sure that you are prepared to deal with the SS by secretly recording them. . People need to also question the amount of ££"s being spent on supervised contact . This needs to scrutinized,as the use of the contact centres,as these places are being funded by Government . So the Government need to address the part they play in all of this, as these children will come back and sue you one day. Families who have used these services , have long since renamed the CC's Children's Prisons . Once you enter into on of these CC's you have lost your chance of having favorable reports being done by the same firm that is owned by the solicitors . No names on here or the DM will not allow this comment!
Slovaks feel sorry for the kids but why are all these people in the uk and on benefits etc crazy
Wow, so they come over here with SIX children? We have to school them, give them healthcare, child benefit and lord only knows what else. No wonder this country is in a mess.
Why are we picking up the tab for this?....ship the whole family back to where try came from and let the authorities over there deal with it....
It's not their fault we let them come here. If, as the article suggests, this was a happy functional family who culturally are used to living in less hygienic conditions than we are and consider it OK to smack naughty children, then there is no excuse for taking their children.
What the hell is going on here? The government needs to step in. They want to leave give them back their children and let them go. How is it allowed that they can just take these people's children. Is it because they failed the young girls who were amused for years? Is this their way of compensating?
Osborne punishes the poor and the vulnerable to save a few million and here is clear evidence of why we are in such a mess. It is costing BILLIONS to absorb these families and the countless thousands who are here illegally. If the true facts were in the public domain there would be protests like we saw in 1990 with the Poll Tax.
I unserstand the secrecy for press not to name or hint at who they may be but why can you not talk to an MP? I suggest the while secret court police state, except not police rather interfering busy body social workers, needs an overhaul.
It broke the mother's heart because they don't get Child Benefit when the kids are in council care.......why else are all these people here except to take advantage of our insane welfare system , courtesy of the EU we cannot stop them. This is insanity and the Chancellor is taking more taxes from working people to support incomers' child and other benefits. The truth must be known .
The solution is for UK to get out of the EU and close our borders. It is madness to continue this mass influx of unskilled labour from poor EU countries into the UK, when over twenty per cent of our young people are unemployed, and our services are already stretched to breaking point.. UKIP is not racist, they are realists.
500 children a week taken from non UK families?? How shocking!! That's costing us a fortune!! Give them back to their families and send them all home.
So they can't be abusers then if they are Slovakian? This claptrap will frighten social workers into leaving kids in dangerous situations in case they are thought of as racist. DM for gods sake get both sides of the story not just one, there is probably a lot more going on than you can see!
- xXDanielleXx, London, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 2:34 You forgot to mention that those who actually work (possibly/probably while claiming benefits) undercut British workers, thereby (i) putting British people out of work and (ii) depress the pay of thos
Social services have their own agenda ,never listen, always right
Absolutely disgusting! Whilst I agree fully that the children, if being brought up here, should be taught British ideals and conform to our culture - attending school, bedtime, etc - this is NO reason to take these children from their family - they aren't being ill treated, just treated differently! The only sanction should be refusal to renew the visa and the family sent home if they refuse to conform to our laws - not take their children - that is BRUTAL!
An easy solution: let these people return to Slovakia with their children. They now know how things work here. This happens to many British-born parents who are deemed to be neglecting their children, If there are different standards (better or worse) in their country of origin at least they have a choice. Oh, and £40,000/pa for each child in council care - do they feed and clothe them from Harrods?
whatever the culture or background of any family, the bottom line is whether the care offered to the children meets the standards set within the UK. If not, then the children are removed. as for removing children from EU migrants for adoption by british couples, how ludicrous. remember there is a huge row over the matching process and placing like with like. which is it?
I don't believe this story, the fact that the social workers still stand by there decision means they have good proof to remove these kids.
when in roma !!!!!!
They should be given the option of having the children back and returning to Slovakia. So should any family in a similar situation.
Yes! I agree with you who want to send back all roma families who are not working in britain and making troubles. But not all of them are like that and we have both groups here in Slovakia as well. Same as me, who wanna send all 'young british guys' back home to UK, who come to Slovakia for their stag parties, destroying our capital when they are completely drunk. But this article is not about roma ppl., its about CHILDREN. Many of them are taken away from their families by british social services without no reason, placing in foster families (f.e. 70yrs old mum with 30 yrs old husband). And is not just slovak, or eastern europeans, but also BRITISH kids, and you all guys paying for this!!! Do some research and find out HOW MUCH! Much more than you are paying for eastern europeans living in your country. It is one big business which is ruining many innocent families. This is really sick! Trust me, all of them would love to leave UK, but they just cant.. without their children !
Tony Blair's downing of Britain continues apace. The complete solution is in the hands of the current government; who tolerate the EU's rape of Britain and Britons.
There is discrimination against Roma people, there always has been sadly. I'm from a British Romani family, although my father abandoned the lifestyle in the 60s when he saw the world was changing. I still get abuse for it sadly. And a friend's landlady (not knowing my ethnicity) is always warning me about 'the Romanys' (Thanks!)But you simply cannot allow small children to be out on their own in the early hours of the morning! That's got nothing to do with race, bad parents are bad parents, regardless of their skin colour etc. The decision to remove these children from the UKIP family makes more sense now you see it's not just that they're white children from a different country (E. Europe) they're also from a different ethnic background and race (and yes, Romani people ARE a race in their own right, we're all descended from N.India and Pakistan originally - google Romani Russia and see how Indian they look). I can't imagine UKIP supporters like the Romani people somehow!
I know of a case right now where a child has been denied care within birth family and Social Services has not said whether the child is placed here or abroad!
so much for bliars open door policy
I've a novel idea lets give the whole gravy train the boot i.e. get rid of the whole rotten mess that is social work and the EU. Now I'd vote for that manifesto tomorrow.......anybody else ??
And now you see why this country is on its knees and why its going to take years and years before we're out of this financial mess. Personally I dont think we will EVER recover until we close the door and stop any more foreigners coming in
I am so glad to see this is finally making headlines! I don't know much about THIS family which are Roma and obviously lead a different lifestyle even compared to Slovak people! There are many other families going through this. There is a mother who has studied childcare and has a certificate even that enables her to open a small creche in the comfort of her own home....she's been living in UK for many years (together with her husband and 2 boys), paying taxes, never claimed benefits and now she's living without her children just because she had them taken away by the British Social Services! Something seriously stinks here!!!! I can understand that a Roma family is not adapting to the way of life as they should (not all the Slovaks are Roma) but trust me the Slovak are not animals. They take education very seriously and live in clean homes.
There's more to Britain than just coming here for work. We have laws & you can't live as you do in most European Country's where the Governments don't get involved with such things as child-care. Though I disagree that any foster child should be removed for political reasons, the chances are that these children were allowed to run ragged as no doubt they can in their own Countries. If they don't fit in to British life, go back home & stop moaning. It is not for us to fit our laws around your culture, it is for you to fit in to the way we do things.
So the Slovak father is a handsome and articulate man who beats his children enough to have them taken away from him? He would like to go home but can't because he wants to be there for his estranged children? What a joke.
If they live here then they live by our rules. They are happy to take money off the social but dont want the social interfering with their business - you cant have it both ways.
I hope Eastern European families hear about this and stay away from Britain.
What else don't we know, knew there would be a follow up to this story. This country is a joke. There is no money as it is.
If my child were found on the streets at 2 am I'd expect someone to step in and protect him, can someone please explain why it should be acceptable if you are an immigrant. If they want to come here they have to abide by the laws of the UK.
And we keep being told immigration does nothing but good for the economy.
UK is going to go bust soon if this immigration is not stopped...........
I quite agree. I was a Foster Carer for 5 years. All the time I was doing it the only people I had dealing with at the Council were WASPS. White Anglo Saxon Protestants. (as indeed am I) Although a couple may have been Catholics. I dont have an opinion about Politics and I have not voted for 50 years so perhaps I was accepted as an ideal Foster Carer.
Stepping back from European politics will be hard and costly us, Britain is a Nation of gritty and determined spirit and the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.
Am i being off the mark by saying that it could be all to do with making money out of fostering children????? at £40,000 per child per year thats a hell of a lot of money and who is getting it, i would seriously reccomend an in depth investigation into the personal bank accounts of all people involved in the adoption process... Its the first thing that came to mind once i read this article
Here's a thought, DM. How about you quit the biased hatchet jobs on Social Services and let them get on with their jobs without you writing one sided stories designed to discredit them despite the fact that you little clue why they've made the decisions they have or what laws and policies have compelled to take these actions.
Whether the families should be sent back or not,the appaling thing is that "evidence given by social workers and their hired medical workers cannot be publicly challenged"....are these people answerable to NO one,then?It reminds me of what we Brits did in Australia .. "The Lost Generation".
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me.
Lets have the names of these faceless people who are deemed fit to decide what is right and wrong lets have their names so we can all give them what they deserve!!! the contempt of every person in the UK
"Not smacking their children." Yes Mr Eastern European, you too can 'benefit' from our liberal, no-touch rules, you too can have ill-disciplined, bad mannered and unruly yobs. Just like the British have at the hands of the liberals.
Am i being off the mark by saying that it could be all to do with making money out of fostering children????? at £40,000 per child per year thats a hell of a lot of money and who is getting it, i would seriously reccomend an in depth investigation into the personal bank accounts of all people involved in the adoption process... Its the first thing that came to mind once i read this article...
Let this family, and any others, have their children back, providing that they immediately return to their own country where their ideas of childcare do not raise problems with the authorities.
A full public enquiry must take place over this debacle. It is beginning to look like these social workers are working to an agenda and not in the interest of the children.
Too much power in the hands of a few people without any control is very dangerous.
Where IS our referendum?
The British taxpayer would not be responsible for these people if it were not for the crazy rules of the EU. I blame our useless, spineless politicians for this.
The article does not mention anywhere exactly how the father supported his large family before the children were taken away? Most English families over the years have managed to have families they thought they could support in view of the income they had. When moving abroad, it was necessary, especially in France for example, to prove you had an income that would be sufficient to support you to avoid claiming off of the state. Of course, the wonderful benefit system in the UK does not do this and I wonder how long we can continue to pay for everyone in Europe who wishes to take advantage of the kind of social engineering that encourages foreigners to claim without having to contribute in any way?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case it would seem that these labour councils in South Yorkshire think that they are a law unto themselves. It used to be Liverpool and Lambeth which were bastions of the loony left movement but their role has been usurped by these political zealots.
The sad fact is that people from other cultures have different methods of parenting and it is naive to expect them to walk off a ferry and embrace the British way of life instantly. Frankly, people from Slovenka are mainly economic migrants and want the work and/or benefits. The benefits system has skewed badly from its original purpose that the abuse of it is endemic. Only radical changes in the benefits system will solve many of the problems that it has created. I'm sure that most parents love their children, even if we don't approve of their methods of raering. Give the children back to their parents and send them back to Slovenka with a few quid in their pockets and then change the benefits system to stop immigrants from cliaming benefits until they've paid NI for 3 years.
I moved here from another country and I'm happily adapting to the English ways! I eat bangers and mash now who would of thought!!
Shame, shame, on all those who voted Labour in Rotherham.
It just gets worse....
Only in Britain can you make a problem that should cost you 25 -30 k cost 350k!
So it's a lifestyle not to send children to school eh? Well that's unacceptable or are we expected then to fund all the future illiterate generations who are unemployable and will probably either live on benefits or turn to crime to make their way? They had a choice when they came here they should be given the choice to return if they wish to live that way. The taxpayer would rather fund the flight home than subsidise them for years.
Social Services and their secret family courts have way too much power. It should be up to the parent to raise their child how they wish. Social Services should only intervene in cases of abuse or obvious neglect. That said if you want to bring up your child in your own county's tradition then live in that country - you can't have it both ways.
Why are we allowing anyone into the UK without any means to support themselves, or their family? Politicians are absolutely useless at trying to resolve this problem. Just go down to Dover any day of the week and see the amount of young children on coaches from Europe and think that within days they will all become a drain on the United Kingdom Social Services. The UK is seen as a gold mine for so many & it is big business with agents assisting families by moving and educating them on how to obtain benefits. The move into the UK at this time of the year will be bigger than ever as the PC brigade will try all they can to house them.
Think what you will of migrants, but considering English children are left under the care of their drug using parents with social services full knowledge, I find their actions with these families reprehensible. They are messing up a whole generation of people psycologically...
They should return to their own country if they don't like our ways.
We have surrendered our Country to an Marxist Doctrine ! We are ALL to blame !!!
You vote Labour, you get Thought Police. You've only yourselves to blame!
I think this country is in a serious state of collapse. The wrong people are in control and are wrecking the place.
Labour would love nothing more than a european wide police state
A wonderful example of Lefty / Common Purpose twisted reasoning from those who would have us belief they are fit to run our country.
The far left in England are a lot more intolerant than the right wing ever were.
Those who complain will still vote for the 'main' parties at the next election and this will carry on regardless.
Always suspected social workers were out of control. Family wreckers.
What a complete mess. We don't have a society where it's OK to have vulnerable little children wandering the streets, or left home alone while both parents are out. Children from another culture, not going to school in the host country can't be allowed. Once grown they will have even more trouble integrating, and that is a big enough problem already. Are this large family self supporting, do they own their own house, etc. If not why are we allowing families like this, with different cultural ways here in the first place, if they are having to be supported by the state. This goes to show that families coming here should be self sufficient and pass citizenship tests, as anyone going to Australia from this country has had to. As for the social services, in past years they have been all to ready to leave children in families of addiction and unsuitability, with the mantra families must be kept together. What is and has been going on in Rotherham needs close scrutiny and transparency.
We have let the reins of good governance slip from our fingers, never to be retrieved. A shocking and ominous end to a once great, proud country.
Open the courts to the public.
Social workers and those employed in organisations like cafcass are out of control. People have virtually no recourse over their decisions aside from writting to an MP. They are sick with power and a law unto themselves.
This is all a sign of things to come. Eventually we will have more Europeans claiming benefits than ethnic Britons. I hope that in the years to come we all remember the 'politicians' that have brought us to this.......Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Balls et al. Lets call an end to this madness and leave the EU immediately.
UKIP are the party to save the UK.
Poor children, I feel sorry for the 17 year old mother too having her baby taken away like that- how awful. All the people saying "send them back" - would you leave your children and go to another country?
" Why should there be different laws for immigrants? They have moved to the UK and if they don't like the culture and society, they have an obvious option. Bye bye."- Baldrick, From out West, Canada, 7/12/2012 2:30-----What a stupid comment to make! They have had their children taken from them.
These politically correct idiot social workers are just a bunch of out of touch middle-class hypocrites!!!
Please get us out of this EU mess.
Had to delete all I had written, it would never have been printed, think I might change my signature to "Brit in despair"
As we have all seen. Putting children into care is by no means looking after them. I would fear for my kids safety It's disgusting that so many are taken from their parents when their families could easily look after them.
Aha. Roma. Return the children to them and make them go back from where they came. Then the whole family can go live their Roma lifestyle back in Slovakia. Why move to Britain if you aren't going to make some effort to adapt? - Joy, Not the USA, 07/12/2012 02:48 Took the words out of my mouth.
Social workers need to bring evidence to a judge before children can be removed. Decisions aren't just made by one individual. I wouldn't do that job for all the tea in china!
Left wing social workers like most public sector workers, particularly at your local council. Have proved time and time again that they are unfit for the purpose. The whole British government and bloated public sector needs reforming as it is rotten from the top down. However I agree that if foriegners come here to live, they should live as we do, or not come here.
I didn't read that these families are supporting themselves in the UK. Therefore under EU law they should be returned to their home countries.
You have to feel some sympathy for this family, but we are struggling to provide services for our own peope, let alone endless immigrants. The immigration open door has to be closed,but the Govt are opening it wider, as from end of 2013 30m people from Bulgaria & Romania will be free to move, live, work & claim benefits here.
As a former foster carer for twenty years, and magistrate, I had obvious dealings with social workers. In twenty years I only ever met about ten who used their inniative - most used the rule book and their own expanded views in situations. When one can work in the Council housing department then get transferred with limited training to the social services department to help staffing levels you know that social services are not fit for purpose. In the 1940s outside London t most towns had about five social/welfare officers, now there are more social workers covering the UK than total members of the armed forces. It is the army of social workers who should be reduced not the armed forces! If social workers treat a council rule book as their God, instead of using their own inniative they are not much good!
I pity any family that ends up in the Family Court.
The accusation about social workers being racist is probably a bit extreme but the whole industry does need reorganising. The main problem is the recruitment of graduates straight into the department when they have very little experience of real life situations.
These sort of terrifying events are not just happening to Slovak families and not just in Rotherham, Social Services and Safeguarding "Officers" in particular seem to have completely forgotten their first and primary role in protecting children is to assist struggling parents, hence the word Services. Anyone who has any contact with this type of council worker should get immediate legal advice and ensure they and the pilice know you are doing so.
These families should consider the way they wish to live their lives. Live the life of your own culture and bring up your children as you wish in your own country where this is accepted or if they want to take advantage of our benefits system then they should be prepared to live as we do.That is their choice, simple.
Derek, London...I bet there aren't many residents in Rotherham that pay council tax....I suspect most will be on benefits.
All those degrees for people who work in social services and this is the best way to integrate immigrants they can think of. The family courts must be made transparent and quickly to stop this dictatorial behaviour.
Why are whole families allowed to come and live here at OUR expense? Madness!! The austerity measures will do NOTHING while this situation carries on.
In time we will look back at what social services have done in the last decade with horror.
England, what have you become, an utter laughing stock
Thank god I live on a small island
Osborne - this is where our benefit money is going.
...and how much is this costing us taxpayers?
The Slovak government ought to provide more resources for its ethnic people, so it would be more advantageous for them to stay in their country of birth, helped by Slovak taxpayers not British ones.
YOU VOTED LIBLABCON. ENJOY!
3500 in Rotherham alone!? And that's just Slovak people?! No wonder the housing and healthcare systems are under pressure! I think its a child's human right to get an education. If they don't get one, what hope do they have of supporting there own family one day.
People don't realise how difficult it is for the Council. The last government have allowed these people to live here. They are living in cramped conditions, sometimes 20 to one terraced house. You see them every day in groups hanging around the town, and you can tell they are no good - no intent to work, smoking, spitting, etc. and yes many of the local folks do this too, but the Council are obliged to help them and also act when there is something wrong. They wouldn't have taken the kids away from the parents without good reason.
Children are removed and so should be if they are thought to be in danger, regardless of their nationality. There is more to this story, the newspaper is not able to judge the facts from a 'family friend' nor is it as simple as giving the kids back so they can leave the country.
Another example of the abuse of power. There should be a social services department to protect children from social services.
Or....... They could just go home to Slovakia, no?
Reading this it seems no-one comes up to ss standards and the only acceptable (to them) place for these children is in "care". What an horrendous state of affairs.
There is something rotten in the state of Rotherham. Apologies to Will Shakespeare but I'm sure that he would write a play about this if he were alive today - a tragedy no doubt.
Guess I'm missing something here but what is it about Slovakian lifestyle that caused social services to take six children? When you move to a new country you take on their laws, not theother way around.
The stupid residents of Rotherham keep voting in the same clowns in and get the governance they deserve..
How much does all this nonsense cost ????
Social services are nasty, narcissistic and like vultures, picking over the bones of easy prey.
I agree. The social workers I speak to, know personally, have worked with on the whole are recruited from a narrow political basis. Left wing, pro prisoner, never the victim who see people as objects to be slotted into pigeon holes of class status.middle class people are always thought of as being damaging to children.
don't be too quick to criticise the social workers we don't know the full story.
Wow. Hard to believe people still take everything they read as gospel... I really wish SW's were able to respond and tell their side of the story. Children cannot be taken away on a whim. To remove a child requires evidence that the child is at significant risk of harm. There is always more to a story folks.
If a small child is wandering the streets at 2am there is a huge safeguarding concern in that household. On inspection the house was found to be infested with mice. Social care cannot just walk into a house and remove children. There is a legal process which must be followed. Social workers perform an initial assessment on a family to identify need then a core assessment is carried out where the family are given the opportunity to engage with support services to improve their situation. Only if the family do not wish to, or manage to improve things will an application be made to the court to remove children. The final decision is made by a magistrate NOT social workers. You can bet damn sure there is far more to this story than the DM is reporting and social services are duty bound not to discuss details of any action.
what on earth is happend to the uk?
In order to remove children, social workers need to prove in court the child is suffering or is likely to suffer significant harm... For obvious reasons the facts of this case are not being made public but I'm sure there are/were serious child protection concerns in order to start the court process.
Please put these Roma families back together and send them to their own countries. Not only is it so unfair to these children to be moved from the family in the first place, but then to move them again on a political (Labour) whim. It is costing us the taxpayer a fortune. Send them back home where they want to be.
As with all these stories about children in care, only one side is given, and the council cannot put their side because of confidentiality issues.
If 500 English kids are taken into care every WEEK as stated, there really is a need for a Judicial Review. It could readily be argued that cultural tensions are inevitable when races come here from non socialist countries. Of course socialist ideology is going to be a shock to them, it's incomprehensible to many of us and we've lived with it for well over a decade. But if 260,000 children are being taken from mum every year, it should be a real wake up call to all of us. It's blatent intimidation. If caring for that family's children is costing council tax payers £280,000 a year there is no fiscal defence for not allocating them direct help. Smacking in this Country is NOT illegal and removing children for it SHOULD be illegal.
LOL, UK is paying for other countries social ills
Time for a full and independent enquiry....just like the Jimmy Savile one, where lots of noise will be made, lots of high -ish profile people are taken in for questioning to satisfy peoples' lust for an outcome, but in the end, the REAL high profile miscreants are not touched and the whole sorry saga dies a death from peoples' boredom and apathy. In other words, it will be kicked into the long grass because it is far too sensitive for the British people to know about.
This country permits Roma and Slovak citizens and their families to settle here, but dissaproves of their lifestyle enough to remove their children from them. What sense or justice is there in this state of affairs ? Has this country and its' rulers gone stark raving mad ? Surely, if the families are accepted then they must remain intact, or else why let them in ?
The EU is costing Britain an absolute fortune. The migrants are either claiming benefits, housing and healthcare in massive numbers, or their children are having to be fostered, for which costs are enormous. This is a joke. It's bankrupting the Country, how can anyone argue migration is a net benefit? I agree with the MP, send the whole families BACK to Eastern Europe, like Sarkozy did in France deporting Roma en masse, and let their Countries deal with it. We have enough English people who can't look after their own kids without importing millions more.
Why should there be different laws for immigrants? They have moved to the UK and if they don't like the culture and society, they have an obvious option. Bye bye.
The sooner we get ourselves out of the EU the better. If they come here for a better life then they have to adopt our ways and culture.
Children first. I do disagree with the 'lifestyle' of NOT sending children to school, but if the children are happy with their parents, I think it is best for the children and at least cost to tax payers, if instead of removing the children from the parents and fostering them out, that you keep the children with the parents but have someone come pick up the children and get them to school. I think child services seem more concerned with punishing parenting choices than the welfare of the children. Children were stolen from an HK couple in Canada by the services, even though they weren't even Canadian citizens yet, because their home was deemed to dirty, I think hooking them up with volunteers to clean their home would be better for the children and less cost for the state. Maybe they were too busy, but even if the parents are too lazy to clean, if they love their children enough, I think rewarding them with cleaners is a lesser evil than separating children from loving parents!
Wow , these immigrants are costing us more than i thought , much more , i wonder how the residents of Rotherham like paying their council tax ? Bad enough without all that childcare cost , glad i don't live there .
Terrible how they were treated. I completely understand if they all decide to go home. Except they won't of course... and we all know why.
The Socialist Services need to be held to account they could be doing anything and who would know?
Sorry, but we need to send these families back to their own country.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists.
Save yourself some money Boris - the answer is that the foreigners will work for a LOT LESS than it costs the average Brit to live in their own country. - Dave, Oban, 7/5/2012 11:37 I totally agree with that. When I was unemployed a couple of years ago after being made redundant, it seemed that the jobs went to the lowest bidder. I had to take a much lower paid job to get back into employment and I would bet that situation has got worse since then.
- Joel, London, 07/5/2012 13:02 >>>>> Well said. The education system, the welfare state, celebrity culture and social networking are to blame.
There are some companies - in construction and warehouses for instance - that won't take English speakers because the workforce is predominantly foreign. That is an absolute scandal. These companies should be put out of business. Surely and easy way to ensure that British jobs go to British workers is for companies employing a foreign worker to have to pay for the British national they chose not to employ. Slap a foreign worker tax on them so that it makes no sense to employ a foreigner.
One employer I spoke to said she "only employed Eastern Europeans, because they worked like dogs, they don't want tea-breaks and she can actually get them to work overtime for free." When you consider the low pay, I think we are actually not that far off returning to slavery. It is convenient for unscrupulous employers to justify their disgusting and greedy exploitative practises by running down the indigenous worker who will stand up for their rights.
Could our benefits system have something to do with it?
I can only repeat what an employer of these good folks has told me - "they are cheap, they will work all hours, we can work out all sorts of useful arrangements together and I can get rid of them without any fuss'. A mutually advantageous arrangement and, above all, profitable - what else matters, it's the Market? Oh, he added 'and I'm all right Jack', with a big smile!
Erm... maybe because the majority of our own people keep throwing a strike when it suits them and foreign workers just happily get the job done. I know I am going to get red arrowed for this but when it comes to ours, its strike, strike, strike. One group strikes and then another thinks its not fair they got a pay rise so I will strike and it goes around in circles. Migrant workers just do the job, knuckle down and hardly utter a complaint, that's why they get the jobs. Then when no one can find a job our wonderful working class do what they do best and turn their venom towards those who cannot find work and call them thieves for being on benefits. The problem is not migrant workers or companies giving jobs to them, its the selfish working class mentality who hate anyone who becomes rich, hate anyone who is on benefits and hate foreign people who get jobs here, they are never happy. Oh and before I get red arrowed into oblivion I am one of those working class and see it for what it is.
Once the benefit cut hit there will be more British workers. The problem is that people will go back to Labour and vote themselves a standard of living we cannot afford...
Boris needs to lead the Torys NOW
We don't need the expense of an enquiry. There are a few obvious reasons: poorly educated Britons; a welfare system geared to make work less rewarding; the under-mining of society by the media (encouraged by politicians), and present public perception perpretating (I'm an alliterate and didn't know it!) the myth, if myth it is.
Easy Boris - The idle Brits don't apply and won't work.
My husband and I employ over 30 people in a variety of jobs and the truth is that non British workers, on the whole, are better educated and have a much higher work ethic. Young British people who work with us are much more likely to have poor writing skills, poor understanding of the level of attention required for a job, will often do things like taking Mondays off (upset stomach...... that we all know means 'wild weekend') and have no understanding or respect for staff in more senior positions. It is absolutely not true of all British workers, there are definitely some really hard working, dedicated people - but far too many fall into the former camp of rather lazy, pretty uneducated and utterly naive about the standard of work required to succeed.
The reasons are clear to those who see: Immigrants from poorer countries are used to sharing cheap crowded illegal sublets, before getting on Councils' gravy trains. Most of their wages go out of the country to support relatives helping them to come over and join in the game. Many foreigners have now advanced to supervisory positions (including government and local authorities) and discriminate against British candidates in favour of 'their own'. They have no loyalty to this country and take advantage of our weak governments who for some reason ignore the ruination of this country's heritage. Our young people leaving school have not managed to get work experience as most low-level jobs are taken up by desperate hardworking foreigners.
Cos there are m foreigners in London that is why.
We all know why!!! Lazy British want a life on the dole. So won't take any job they deem beneath them. The immigrants know that if they flood into this country to take those jobs for a while, they can then bin the crap job and go on the dole themselves then bring in all their relatives. Also, they'll take those jobs that greedy business men in this country offer appallingly bad wages. And this is the problem. Everyone knows it but if you say anything, you are branded a racist.
Well done Boris for coming up with this fantastic idea. My suggestion is to make a rule that says one has to live 5-10 years in this country before qualifying to apply for a job. This will save young people of this country from spending all their lives on benefit, and will surely put off Eastern Europeans from coming in to take up every available job in this country and leaving countless young people unemployed.
Boris , the answer is easy , too many British workers are lazy and work shy and prefer sitting at home all paid for ,with other generous handouts . The work ethic is unknown to them . Give me an Eastern European any day , they are tidily turned out with cheerful dispositions and actually take pride in what they do , a pleasure to have around . Compare that to the average surly slob and there is no great contest . Alternatively , remove the benefits from them and find a way to ensure they step up to the mark , then there might be fewer jobs for immigrants . Not so easy is it actually ,but doesn't require an expensive enquiry .
because it's too easy NOT to work!
All this is just talk,talk,nothing will change,its something like the horse leaveing the stable.
It's because the wages in London for young people offer a future only to people who live in countries where housing is much lower cost, they come work, save up, go home, bit like auf weidershen pet. Whereas all we offer our youngsters is a lifetime of low pay, no prospects, unaffordable housing and wonder why they reject it
If you follow this through Boris then its a start, and if you really do something about it, then I promise you have my vote, you then should be nominated to be elected Tory leader, and then maybe Prime Minister....Regardless of your Buffoonary....it doesn't matter, Because this country has gone mad anyway.......?
I can't comment about the situation in London, but up here in the north 99% of the low income, low skilled jobs are now with employment agencies. The people doing the hiring and firing at these agencies are Eastern Europeans, so guess who benifits...not the young British worker... - Gary, uk, 07/05/2012 11:16 True, but who pay the employment agencies? Northern British bosses.
"They may get the jobs because they are better with a good work ethic. Maybe reducing the mnimum wage and/or reduce benefits would help to make the jobs more attractive to British people. - John Taxpayer, Here, UK, 7/5/2012 12:19 ----- The minimum wage is already impossible to live on, and there is the essence of the problem. Employers wont pay a living wage so expect the government to pick up the shortfall via tax credits. Minimum wage is after tax around £200pw for a 40 hour week. That wouldn't pay my rent let alone bills and the rest so even in work i would rely on housing benefit. Because of the way HB is withdrawn virtually pound for pound for earnings work actually puts you in a worse position than not working which is already a terrible position to be in. I am unemployed, I can afford one meal per week, do you really think I am going to take a job that means my food budget is spent instead on transport. The universal credit is supposed to fix this, I'm not holding my breath.
ALLyou people that are saying Brits do not want to work. I dont know anybody like that every Country has its work shy. The problem is employers.. they will employ cheap Labour thats the bottom line. So stop saying the Brits are lazy. Boris you go man sort this lot out. British jobs for ~British workers.
Why not set quota for all UK companies if they want to employ a foreigner they must first employ three UK born citizen before they can employ one foreigner, the government should set the employment terms clearly hire and fire must be spelt out clearly for the employer and employee so that all party's concern is secure hope the minister can look into this idea thanks. DJ
Because companies have become a law unto themselves and want the lowest salaries without any one having rights and I bet they advertise the jobs abroad and not here.
Perhaps someone should point out to Boris that London would come to a grinding halt without 'foreign' workers. The man is just another public school educated Tory buffoon who has taken the gullible media in with his well rehearsed and clearly fake 'eccentricity'.
Honestly Boris, we too lazy, why work if you can get a free house, benefits ect , remove those, you will have a hard workin Nation - rory, Basingtoke, 07/5/2012 12:51..............Absolutely, not to mention, one where peeple speek propper like wot you does.
**Harsh maybe, London*****. Your comments provide an illuminating insight into what is wrong with the NHS. Managers who devote their energies towards protecting their comfort zone and who don't have the first idea how to inspire, motivate and performance manage their teams. Proof indeed that you don't solve a problem by throwing money at top heavy structures as Labour has done so often in the past.
What will they do if this investigation shows that many young Brits would rather claim unemployment than bother to get a job? A drastic overhaul of the benefits system would appear to be the only answer.
Most of these people are from EU countries. They are entitled to be here and they are entitled to work. We are entitled to live and work in their countries. Get over it!!!!
why young British job seekers are 'losing out' to foreign workers.>>>Try Labours 13 years of flooding our country with the worlds Immigrants, open door policy regarding eastern Europeans, mass input from Africa, an insane forced Multicultural disaster. On the 3rd of may Londoners along with the rest of Britain had a choice of candidates and parties to vote for, You all made your individual choices you could have voted for the only British party that would have reversed this trend of foreign workers, mass Immigration, and overwhelming asylum problem that our authorities have no control over. So don't complain, don't moan, your vote, your choice, Live with it, you deserve all that is to come.
I'll save you the time Boris. It's because a lot of young Brit's think it's beneath them to work in a McDonalds, to start their career on minimum wage. They're unable to see the bigger picture - that getting on the first rung of the career ladder may involve them having to start at the bottom and (god forbid) having to work their way up. They think that once they get a bunch of qualifications they can just walk right into middle management. They'll probably have a dubious work ethic - won't take on a job if it involves working on a Friday night or getting up before 8am on a Monday. Don't get me wrong there are some good kids out there but if you're an employer you have to really look hard to find them.
they get the jobs because they are willing to work for a little lower pay, which is more that can be said for the brits - George, Tamworth, 7/5/2012 11:53 . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yes that's because the bosses know that they won't get turned in for paying below the minimum wage.
Well said Boris Cameron ,Warsi and Co would need a map to find the blatantly obvious hence the drubbing.
Given the appalling spelling in some of these posts, I can see why employers don't want British workers - 'there' for 'their', 'cheep' for 'cheap', etc. Absolutely disgraceful.
These employees have agencies that do everything for them, find them a job, accommodation and even transport. In the 60s British Steel needed workers so they advertised in Employment Offices around the country and then supplied hostels ( maybe similar to Auf Wiedersehen Pet ) and many men came to work here. Families followed later. Contrast that with today, any young man wanting to get away from a high unemployment area has to find his own job, accommodation and learn how to get to work.(No its not the same as in a small town) If he has a family to send money home to the wages will not cover the costs of two homes. To get our youth into work we have to give them some help. Maybe agencies just to give them a leg up.
Good start and I hope the Government also runs a similar study. I am sick and tired of being told our young do not want to work or get of bed when benefits are so easy. Somebody I know tried desperately to get into the Forces. He was unable to get a job during this period and the Army required that he attended several interviews and pre-training courses. He was not entitled to any benefits as Job Centre Plus decided he was not actively looking for work. He ended up in the Paras and then owing to an army acquired injury he was discharged. Owing to a mess up with the papers he was unable to sign on as he had no discharge papers and it took a while before he got a job, but his family had to support him, there were benefits available to him. He is now working 12 hours a day, seven days a week and loving it. Somebody had faith in him and in return he will give them everything and anything he can to say thanks. He is not the only one. Good luck Boris.
Britons don't WANT to work - kate, London, 7/5/2012 11:49 ******************************* I agree that many of them don't want to work, mainly because they are just as well off claiming benefits, however if long term claimants got just enough to feed and clothe their families without all the added extras it might be a different story.
simple answer is to increase the business tax for any company that employs non British employees,with tax breaks for those that employ higher numbers of British
"They usually work harder, they will usually work for less, They are more grateful for the work, and in my experience are more polite and cheerful. ..- graham melville, west midlands, 07/5/2012 11:57"=============not in my NHS department they don't. They spend about a third of their time on their mobiles, chatting to friends in their own language, shuttting English speakers out of conversation, and doing less work than many of their colleagues, whilst earning the same.
We all know the answer to that Boris as it started around 1997 and will get even worse if the electorate decides on a Socialist Government again at the next election.
Honestly Boris, we too lazy, why work if you can get a free house, benefits ect , remove those, you will have a hard workin Nation
About time too........... If there isn't a Brit to fill the post then you can employ a "foreigner" BTW this rule is applied in many other countries......
You see Bozza? You don't need to spend one penny of taxpayers money on an inquiry, as Christy from Farnham has hit the nail right on the head there.....
And these lazy Brits without work ethic, poor education that guarantees they are ignorant are the ones that make nasty comments about race, immigration and not having jobs, yet they have a PHD in benefit claiming tactics! Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
Who needs an investigation? It's not rocket science. Most Brits would not get out of bed for the lower paid salaries on offer which foreigners Seem to snap up. It's more lucrative to live on benefits!
And while you are at it Boris have a referendum in London to see what percentage of the population there want a referendum on the EU, ECHR, etcetera. Do not let any schoolboy sense of loyalty to Cameron tie your hands because he will poop on your parade if need be to get off the hook. Go Boris, Go!!!!
Good on you Boris but seriously can you do anything ~ I only hope so because sure as eggs our useless lot in Parliament wont'/can't do anything because it does not involve them.
Go Boris! Thank god someone has not only noticed, but is also not scared to say so AND help us indigenous, forgotten locals out of this mire. - I want my England back, hants, 07/5/2012 11:20 Interesting that this has dawn on him since being re-elected. Whilst I agree the question needs answering and a solution found, it should have been put 10 years ago and then we wouldn't have a lost generation.
In my honest opinion, since way back, when children were made to stay at school longer, because there were simply not the jobs to go around, the British young people have been sold the idea that education gets you a really good job, with good pay..so you really can't blame them for not wanting to do a job that they have been educated to believe is beneath them...
No because they advertise the job in the job centre....but always say no suitable candidate was found and lo and behold the job goes to their mate from where ever, many of the commonwealth countries such as Aus,nzl and south africa claim the right of abode due to a british parent and ancestry from grandparents.....................why should they?? they emigrated so should not be able to pass this right to live and work in the uk on any more. but thye do and the "youth mobility scheme" is a bit joke, meant to travel and take sumplimentry work but all take full time good jobs because they have qualifications, are experience d and english speakers (sort of) . And then there is intra company transfer, bring all your workers form whereever the company owners come from. no questions asked..................we dont have a chance
British people dont turn up, wont work for more than 16/24 hours a week because it interferes with their benefits. Foreign workers get paid less but will work twice as hard and the work can be as rubbish as it comes and they dont complain.
If it is honest enough to say that "indigenous" (whoever they are) Britons just can't be bothered to work, or that "foreigners" are doing the jobs that the locals don't want to do but actually depend on someone doing, then a lot of the xenophobia and conceit of the British (yes, I am one too) will hopefully be blown away. Reminds me of decades past when, starting with the Windrush generation, complaints about foreigners taking our jobs, often coming from the unions, very quickly morphed into outright racism. Less on yer bike, more get off your fat backside. The world doesn't owe you a living, get out and earn. We've all had to do it.
They may get the jobs because they are better with a good work ethic. Maybe reducing the mnimum wage and/or reduce benefits would help to make the jobs more attractive to British people.
Wouldn't it be wiser to TAKE ACTION before shouting out your INTENTIONS. The idea is good and like the referendum well-overdue but those who already fleece England, will know what to do in order to keep ahead.
I can't comment about the situation in London, but up here in the north 99% of the low income, low skilled jobs are now with employment agencies. The people doing the hiring and firing at these agencies are Eastern Europeans, so guess who benifits...not the young British worker...
can we also have an investigation into why so much social housing is being given to immigants, who have spent absolutely no time on any waiting list or are not more deserving than our own people. Also why are we second class citizens in our own country.
Its a combination of a lot of things. Its an employers market because of the recession so they can hire and fire as they please. Job security these days is next to nil. Parents are also partly responsible in raising the expectations of youngsters "get an education and you'll get a good well paid job" the reality is even with a degree, you'll end up in unsecured minimum wage work for the rest of your life. They say we are a nation of shopkeepers....now we are a nation of shopworkers because thats pretty much the only work we will get. There is no factory work, little office or IT work because that's all gone abroad or been replaced by technology. If Boris looks deeply into this matter he will find something he don't like...the fact its his public schoolboy friends causing the issue. So I think you'll never see the findings of his proposed investigation coming to light.
here boris to save you the millions its gonna cost here is the answer. Well these foreign workers can work for min pay long hours live 20 to house sometimes in shifts so could be even more spend very little in Britain then send their money back home and thats the cycle for about 5 years. how do i know i once worked with someone like that.
I think Boris is going to show the coaltion up for the bunch of soppy creeps they really are .
Manufacturing companies who would EMPLOY people and hence create wealth for this country have been driven out because their CARBON FOOTPRINT is not wanted here. ---------- Like the milkmaids stool all manufacturing companies have three footprints CARBON, EMPLOYMENT and WEALTH CREATION. --------- They come as a package, all or none.
Ask the Labour party they will tell you simples
Until they start bring back the work ethic in schools like they used to do by getting children to start thinking about what jobs they would like do there will be no improvement in childrens outlook that benefits is anough in life for some.
An immigrant workes is not aware of his rights, therefore is wide open for the abuse of those rights, they will work for much less as they normally live in shared accommodation hence smaller bills hence lower salary. It doesnt tkae a genuis to figure this out Boris.
They get the jobs because many companies only recruit through foreign based employment agencies...They get paid the minimum wage and are forced to live on company premises 10 to a house for exhorbitant rents as part of their work contract. I can name two companies in the area where i live that do exactly that..
A very worthwhile enquiry, but I really would have thought that to a man of Boris Johnson`s intellect our "average" workers / jobseekers of the same or similar age are inarticulate, rude, ignorant, disrespectful, unmotivated and either want a Wayne Rooney or Cheryl Cole lifestyle from doing nothing. Hard graft and ambition are words they don`t understand. They are better of laying in bed al day,l on benefits, going on facebook, getting drunk, smoking, and staying up late. Good luck Mr Johnson.
They usually work harder, they will usually work for less, They are more grateful for the work, and in my experience are more polite and cheerful. I am pleased to have been able to save the government wasting millions on an honest, unflinching, completely pointless investigation. While I am here, is there anything else you want to know from the school off the bl**din obvious. Please note that part of the governments austerity policies is that firms will cut costs and maximise profits. Foreign labour goes a long way towards realising these targets. it maybe that having just won an election Boris feels like flexing his muscles and will start undermining goverment policies for fun. Fairly certain to all end in tears
He's doing the Governments job...give him their wages...
they get the jobs because they are willing to work for a little lower pay, which is more that can be said for the brits
That bus company who Boris awarded the contract to (as the preferred bidder) who run the new red London bus went all the way to Poland to recruit drivers , stating that it could not find drivers over here. We don't need a ten year investigation , which fudges the conclusion , what we want is a regulation that says 95 % of the labour in a business , comes from the indigenous population , what's so unfair & anti european about that ? Other countries have placed extra costs on companies hiring foreigners for decades & have broken no EU law ..... so .....WHY CAN'T WE DO THE SAME ??? It's a Lack of leadership & judgement & a complete failure to understand the frustration & damage this open-labour market has caused the poorest part of the population of this country & has done for 10 years + . How many more years before they 'get it' ?
Well done Boris. So OBVIOUSLY the right choice ! Now what would 'Red Ken' have done ?
Britons don't WANT to work
Could be because they are prepared to work.
The answer is simple. Youngsters should be forced to work in chains such as McDonald's. I know a friend of mine's son worked in McDonald years ago to boost his pocket money whilst still at school. They kept him on and he went on to become a manager. when my children and my friends' children were at school there was still a work ethic and you did not get anything for doing nothing. It is about time we went back to those days. If you are not prepared to work you do not get paid. You get vouchers for food and clothing only.
Sorry Boris but I think the answer to that is that some of our young people don't have the necessary skills or education and the rest of them don't want to get out of bed to do a job, theyvwould rather just get their benefits
Thank God one politicain has the guts and honesty to ask why this national scandal is not only accepted but actively promoted by all the mainstream partes.
Duh- why take a job when you get more signing on and you don't have to do anything!
Well done Boris, just a shame our actual government could not have investigated this 3 years ago.
Nice idea, but the chances of any employer being honest about this are zero. We all know why jobs go to foreigners - it is cheeper for the employer. And everyone knows any employer who tries to say otherwise is not being honest.
Save yourself some money Boris - the answer is that the foreigners will work for a LOT LESS than it costs the average Brit to live in their own country.
too late for that. lets get real, politicians don`t give a damn for the english.
You won't get an honest answer from an employer, he will say anything to keep paying for a cheaper workforce and more profit.
Its because the foreign workers come with 'experience', something that our kids don't have when they leave school, so therefore don't get the jobs. It has always been a huge stumbling block for kids to get onto the employment ladder, with the 'cant get a job without experience..cant get experience without a job' and allowing the competition in, totally destroys any hope they had. Kick out the foreign competition, or make it harder for them to gain employment, is the only way to ease the problem. That or, set a fixed minimum wage across the Eurozone, which would kill the financial migrant issue in its tracks..but that wont happen as there are far too many greedy snouts in the trough, making money out of the differences.
Good on you borris. Glad I voted for you now.
don't I remember some idiot saying 'British Jobs for British People' then as usual nothing happening? I hope Boris has better luck at it.
With that as a manifesto pledge I would have voted for him!!!
I live in Spain and I know many young Spaniards who have gone to the UK to find work. They all seem to land a job very quickly and tell everyone how easy it is to find work. I wonder why? Most of them have a degree or at least a Spanish baccalaureate (equivalent to four or five good A-levels). They all speak at least three languages. They are all extremely well groomed, play sports, and have excellent social skills. No wonder British employers snap them up.
Go Boris! Thank god someone has not only noticed, but is also not scared to say so AND help us indigenous, forgotten locals out of this mire.
You dont need an investigation it's simple, they pay them less, they live in a room with 6 others then go back home after a year, and most dodge paying tax. Also the employers can get away with more as they don't understand our rights/laws.
Yea you go Boris and sort this out....
It's because British kids have been spoilt rotten with EMA handouts & benefits plus they have been culturally deconstructed to the point where they don't have any clear morals & don't possess a work ethic. They haven't had an education that prepares them for the work place, they have been educated to be snivelling lazy selfish ignorant brats or socialists if you prefer?
We could boycott companies that employing EU workers
Recruitment for the UK armed forces is going down. There was a time when joining the army or the navy was a career of choice for British youth. No longer. Nobody seems to bother about this when it is so easy to blame immigration for the nation's ills.
Ok! Simple mathematics, as the ex labour voter British working man in the street Sees it. If you employ 50Â’000 men, for instance on the Olympics site, and 40Â’000 of them cum from Eastern Europe this equals 40Â’000 jobs lost to British workers ,simple,ss
As a general rule, take the opposite of what politicians say and there you will find the truth. Blair and everyone since has claimed that immigration is a good thing, so we know that it is, in fact, a bad thing. Examples: Latvian professional with a MSc. working in a bar in England earns around three times here what they would earn in Latvia as a top flight professional. British bar staff are displaced, without the same range of options open to immigrant workers. You can get Polish builders to work for £60 a day, and they will work 12 hours for that! It is not possible for a British builder to to meet their costs at £60 a day. Polish workers often live three or four to a room and many live for free in Church hostels. In many cases, earnings of immigrant workers are repatriated. The displaced British workers are sometimes called the underclass or the lost generation. The scale of the problem is vast, which is why British kids should seek a future in Australia or Canada...
Until they carry out the more important study on EU immigration, the numbers will pale in comparison to the reality. Anyone who can't get into Britain from outside the EU, just has to buy their EU citizenship from Romania or Bulgaria now and come through the EU with rights to all the benefits Britain has to offer. We need to leave the EU before they turn us into their third world dumping ground. Add to that, the numbers of workers from Eastern Europe and of course the next new EU members from the Baltics and Turkey, and there won't be a Britain left to fight for.
Whilst I totally agree with this column lets not forget the elephant in the room and that's the British employers who will only take on foreign workers. They're every bit to blame as well.
There are 2.5Million immigrants working in the UK and there 2.5milliom British people unemployed I suppose that as nothing to with with the situation.
Its all very well having evidence! My goldfish had worked out mass immigration was bad for the uk years back! But what is going to be done as a result of all this research and analysis that has no doubt cost us a fortune?
ALL TALK BUT NOTHING DONE
We don't need immigration to lose jobs here in the UK. British workers have been losing jobs for decades, when much of the labour intense manufacturing processes have been shifting to countrues with cheaper work force, more advanced technologies and more effective management. Immigration is clearly a factor in unemployment, but we also need to look to our own systems in job creation.
"It is completely dishonest to frame this issue as affecting 'Britain'. It's England that's been flooded with migrants over the years not Scotland, Wales or (especially not) Northern Ireland.

Let me be clear I don't blame the migrants who in most cases are decent folks wanting to better themselves. But lets face it mass immigration has not all been positive - by a long way.

There aren't enough jobs, there aren't enough houses to continue. The population is already set to expand rapidly.

But framing this issue as affecting the UK allows the UK govt to say we're not over populated. Look at the situation as England only and we're the 6th most densely populated country on earth.
England is full and England needs its own population strategy."
Gordon Brown is 'Sorry'? Yes, sorry that he broke the Eleventh Commandment - 'Thou Shalt Not Be Found Out'!
A non-story. No matter how much all the haters want it to kill off Brown's election hopes, it wont. Many of us know people like Mrs Duffy, and we know that they ARE bigots. It isn't their fault, they don't understand the issues, they actually don't understand what they are saying, they are just repeating parrot fashion what the press and people like the BNP ram down their throats on a daily basis.
What Gordon Brown thinks is that if you do not agree with him, you are a bigot, which actually means that Brown is a bigot - ergo he was talking about himself! But of course the gaff to end all gaffs in bigotgate was uttered by none other than Mandelson who thought about it all, very carefully, and then said, '' ....this is not Gordon's private or public view....''. So, are we to assume that there is one truth for public consumption and another truth that can only be voiced in private?
At last, the voice of age and experience against Brown the Bigot.
Give him enough rope ....
it does not matter that he apologised to her because he meant what he said about her because he said it in secret so he thought behind close doors. i guess that i am a bigot too.
will the real gordon brown please stand up please stand up please stand up ( sing to a well known rap song could be a big hit )
Whilst I do not think it is right that GB should say such things especially if as he says he didn,t mean it but usually the truth comes out in ungarded moments, There is an old saying that an eves dropper here no good
Brown's real attitudes were shown up for all the world to see. No wonder he didn't like it! This highlights the classic behaviour of the Left when Immigration and other issues on which they wish to monopolise opinion are aired: (1) smear those who offend them, branding them bigoted, extremist, racist etc. (2) refuse to engage in proper debate, particularly if it's of a calm, reasoned and objective character and they are afraid they will lose (3) finally howl down the opposition or disrupt demonstrations they dislike. A typical Leftist stance is that discussing Immigration is racist, therefore to discuss the practical consequences and realities of Immigration policy is also racist. Result= no debate. Likewise, some years ago with the National Union of Students' "No platform for Racists and Fascists" policy. Sounded fair enough? Not once you realised that they wanted to be the only ones allowed to define Racist and Facist, to suit their own agenda. Same tactics.
I must be a bigot like that lady who Gordon slated. This is a small island, its like a raft and if there are too many people on the raft it will sink, and I think we have reached that point, its all very well saying that as many people are leaving this country as are coming in, what we should be more worried about is that its all our skilled people that are leaving, Other country`s only want people that have something to offer, we seem quite the reverse. I am sick of hearing that we need to have imigration because we have a skill shortage, we have a skill shortage because any one with any sense if leaving this country just as rat`s desert a sinking ship. Perhaps we should be training our own people up in the skills we require, and encorage the people that do have skills to stay in this country. I`m not a bigot for wanting the best for this country, no more than Mrs Duffy she just dared to voice the views many of us have, perhaps its time for govenment to listen.
1 million Brits fan out accross the whole of Europe. 1 million (legal) Europeans cram into Britain (Well, England in reality). I bet to maths wiz Gord the Gopher this is balancing the books.
Well said Tony Bromley and Terry Sussex. So true, if you raise a concern regarding the mass immigration you are beaten with Labour's "RACIST" stick- utter bonkers! Never mind the financial state the UK is in- being part of the EU is a disaster for Britain. This country only has themselves to blame if Gordon gets elected- he has taken great liberties with the British people for too long it's time to go.
Mrs Duffy merely expressed concern about an issue that effects this country ,and that the other political parties refuse to mention let alone become an election issue ,which it should be, what the main parties are not telling us is that there is nothing that can be done to halt immigration from within the EU because of the UK's open door policy implemented by Labour ,who have grossly miscalculated the influx from eastern European countries, which in turn puts a huge strain on the NHS, education,jobs, why can't politicians see whats happening to our country ? and as for Gordon Brown well we all know now what he really thinks about the electorate!
As it has been said we have now seen and heard 'the dark forces' within government and bureaucracy. The immigrants we have don't appear to want to imtegrate they want to disintegrate our society and take a ruling hand. Return our country to a Christian way of life with moral standing and ditch the legislation that ties our hands and that of the judiciary. At the same time we have to repel the greed of commerce and protect ourselves from the power of money. We are losing the war on truth, right and freedom and becoming a submissive and demoralised people, and democratic principles are being washed aside by those whom have been welcomed with blind faith and those who lead us. We must change now.
Well Gormless dose think we are all bigots as it was him that wanted mass immigration in the first place what was it he called it Social Engineering. If Glegg has anything to do with it not only will he let thousands more in he will also give thousands amnesty to stay as well. What they have got to remember Immigration is one of the biggest issues this Country faces at the moment.
So Mr Brown calls someone a bigot; where's the logic in extending that statement to apply to the entire polulation of Great Britain. Think about this; if and when you (Person A) have talked badly of someone (Person B) behind their back, imagine that person actually found out what you said; then a third person (Person C) says that your comments should be generalised to apply to the entire population. Ridiculous...in this election i will be voting for policies...so the right-wing media have will have a field day saying that immigration is a no go area...I am not a Labour supporter but the points system is working and numbers are coming down. EU migration is a different matter but remember one million Britons work in the EU...but hey lets merely return to the protectionistic economy that all nations strive for. State aid will be provided to companies who are struggling, thereby hiding any inefficiencies..prices will soar with the lack of competition. Brezhnev would be proud.
- Nick Taylor, Milton Keynes, England, 28/4/2010 18:42 Well said Nick the CON'S wrecked the UK Labour has just picked up the pieces
I said on these pages some months ago.....Politicians....Listen carefully to the people or you will be held to account. Stop the nonsense debate on TV and get the gloves off and tell the truth. We have had enough of this slick talk, so tell us where the cuts are coming from, no more tax, Look inwards and if you do not have the guts to do it .........GO.
He has shown himself publicly to be two-faced and duplicitous... Charming to that woman's face, scathing behind her back. Political life dead and buried.
We are constantly told how the country has benefitted from migration. If British agriculture is so dependent on East Europeans, how on earth did it manage before the EU expansion? Crops were grown and picked - not left rotting in the fields, long before the arrival of legions of Poles etc. We are not told the truth (as usual).
Brown will re-invigorate his flagging campaign later this evening when he explains to the nation how he ended boom and bust. Ha HA Ha!!!
Gordon you are the weakest link GOODBYE>
Its important that Labour and their Bullies know that they are in the minority! I'm hoping that it is a good 20 or 30 years that we don't see this Labour Lot again! This PC repressive madness has got to go!
And here lies the problem. You cannot raise a sensible debate about immigration without being shouted down by people who don't know the true definitions of the words 'bigot' and 'rascist'. And as for saying one million in, one million out - what a stupid and misleading thing to say. One million out maybe, i don't know - but if it is then it is over the entire continent and not say Italy or somewhere smaller - and what would the Italians say if a million Brits turned up in the next 3 years increasing the population of Genoa by 20 percent or Bari? Lets send a million Brits ( labour voters perhap?) to Torun in Poland or Olsztyn and see what the local reaction is. If you love Great Britain Vote Tory.
There were many, this morning who excused GB's behaviour with "we have all done it". The difference being for those who have, were running for prime minister. For me it calls in to question GB's ability, where is anger at this lady daring to question Government policy drove him to ignore the microphone he had. His response to this lady replicated Blairs body language at Chilcott. Politicians believe that nobody has the right question or criticise them. For me it is indicative of all three party leaders, where this election is about the job and not the running of the country. For years we have voted political light weights way above their ability and pay grade. The electorate is merely an unnecessary stepping stone in their careers. The party system has been found wanting, perhaps Independents should have a chance. 13 years Lab has had to put everything right, now they are promising to do it now. Pull the other one.
In the live TV debate today Gormless U-Turn Bigot Bully Brown wants to focus on the "economy" - and put the matter of poor Mrs Duffy to one side. WHAT DOES THIS CLOWN KNOW ABOUT ECONOMICS? The UK is currently £3,800,000,000,000.00 IN DEBT - and still borrowing £500,000,000.00 EVERY DAY, just to keep the public sector afloat. The children of today and their children will still be repaying Gormless Brown's debt in 2050.
Gordon Brown only apologised FOR SAYING WHAT HE SAID (and being heard saying it) - The important thing to remember is - He still THINKS that the woman is a bigot. This is what this disgusting government thinks - Anyone who disagrees with them is either mad, or a bigot.
Wonder where meddlesome Mandelson is this morning. Grooming moribund Miliband for his new job as leader of New Labour?
I don't know if bigotry was so much at work here (by the woman) as plain old xenophobia. I see xenophobia is alive and well in people's comments here as well... albeit disguised as nationalism. The very same arguments are being made right now by far right Americans in protest to illegal 'aliens'.
Its hilarious, what a little soap opera this is turning into. I have not laughed so much in ages. Gordon Brown must be livid. For all politicians everything is stage managed and nothing is spontaneous and fury erupts when things go wrong. But the woman is a bigot, she has lots of opinions based on very little knowledge.
Goodbye Brown.(and your circus of clowns)..... Good ridddence.
Champion of the hour maybe, but Gillian Duffy will be pursued and punished the New Labour way. Even at this moment, a dedicated team of researchers is delving into Mrs Duffy's background to reveal her indiscretions. If her pension has been overpaid, her dog fouled the pavement, or her rubbish allocated to the wrong plastic tub, Mrs Duffy's currently pristine white double-glazed front door won't look half as impressive in a few days' time when the heavy mob calls at 5am to collect the dues.
Can I just put the record strait, We are not just ordinary people as some letters refer to us, we are extraordinary people, as we tolerate such government swill, we bail out their errors and to cap it all we pay both their expenses and debts and we keep on picking up the financial blunders as well. In my book that makes us far better than any single person in government. Its about time they came down to earth and saw things how they really are, live as we do, they may just get the message. Large inflated salaries does not necessarily mean intelligence as Gordon Brown has proved. I have seen changes but never such a buffoon as Gordon Brown in all my 70+ years.
Own goal.r it goals. As they say politicans loose elections as opposed to us the peole loosing it for them.
The most important thing that Mrs Duffy has inadvertently achieved is that people can now voice their views on mass immigration and not be condemned as racist. Now I know that I'm not a bigot at all, and that most people in Britain feel the same way but have said nothing. Brown himself is unsuitable as prime minister. He is a man who cannot be allowed near the nuclear button. I think he is unstable and it shows. I will vote UKIP but I hope Nick Clegg becomes prime minster. His doing so won't give us all cancer and we will have the best chancellor in a century in Vince Cable.
For our sake and that of britan(what is left of it ) do not vote this man back in to number 10.
Brown and Labour were finished anyway Yesterday Brown was just putting in the finishing touches He has shown himself in his true colours - which we all knew anyway Nothing further need be said about this despicable oaf that disgraces the high office of PM
TIME TO STOP ALL THESE THINGS: Politicans having prearranged, hand picked audiences. Making sure those in audience are all party supporters. Saying nice things to the attendees, smarming, congratulating, agreeing, praising. Then, slagging off in private. This dishonest approach is practised in China, North Korea. It must be stamped out in UK. And, anyone still planning a labour vote: Are you sure you want to be ruled by people who are dishonest, deceitful, spend your money recklessly, lie to your face?
What a way to treat a lifelong labour supporter ( I myself am not) and the ridicule heaped upon her when she thought she had had a very normal conversation with her leader. In spite of what has happened, and if I am understanding correctly she will not move her vote to some other party but refrain from voting altogether. This is the problem, the majority I believe of labour voters can't bring themselves to vote for another party, they would prefer not to vote at all. How very sad.
All i can say is pensions after what he did to private pensions he can go to hell i will never vote labour again. My dad always said when Labour are in power he was always worse off well now we will all be worse off to the day we die unless you work for the public sector with your tax payed funded pensions. He and the rest of his lying party should hang there heads in shame.
David Dimbleby - Mr Brown you have 1 min to set out your plans Gordy – Testing, testing 1,2,3 – Yesterday I met a lady in Rochdale oh bugger!!! It’s my and other peoples experience for years, that if you try to raise asylum seeker or immigration issues on local radio phone ins, you are immediately called a racist. This is how the Marxist and PC brigade treat you if you dare speak out. Mrs Duffy was only speaking out expressing the public at larges concerns. Brown then when he thought we weren’t to know gave his real thoughts on us the public, intimating we are all bigots if we share this lady’s views. Then we see him putting on his false silly smile attempting to mask his anger. This man’s a total disgrace to his office and Great Britain. . I have many Asians friends and they’d never consider me a racist or bigot, in fact they hold the same views expressed by Mrs Duffy.
This is just typical. 'Ordinary white people' who mention anything about immigration are labelled racist or a bigot. Its not about colour or race, its about the fact that there is far too much immigration. The issues that need to be addressed are getting people into employment, or relevant training to receive benefits and not just giving handouts. Reductions into immigration would probably reduce demands on the NHS, education and most other services. None of the parties seem to know what to do and are afraid to do one of the things that is vital. Put a cap on immigration
HEY! YOU LOT WITH THE RED ARROWED COMMENTS - 'YOU ARE ALL BIGOTS!'
I have some concerns about the impact of immigration on this country. What level of population can this country realistically support, regardless of the origins of the people concerned? There already appears to be great pressure on services - health, schools, housing, welfare benefits, transport, etc. With large spending cuts to come surely there has to be a proper reasoned debate about this matter. OK, so I am just another bigot then. But why is anybody who wants to have a sensible discussion about this topic inevitably labelled a racist and/or bigot? Is it just a convenient way of avoiding a debate that the Brown Government thinks it might not win?
If anyone out there was had any doubts about whether or not to vote Labour I think they now know. Well done GB greats news for UKIP.
Labour supporters - next time you're feeling the chill when the weather turns cold, just think of 'Wee Gordies' gaff and then you'll be glowing from head to toe with embarrassment! Hey presto, no more feeling cold AND a saving on your heating bill!
It seems that the Labour vote is reduced to the hardcore lefty braindead. Brown insults them and calls them bigots and they STILL vote Labour. They have no job and their economy has been trashed and STILL they vote Labour. They put the burden of their tapayer funded lifestyles onto their children, and STILL they vote Labour. Beyond belief. AND apparently , it's Margaret Thatchers fault!!! Hopefully this is the end of Labour forever!!
The sanctimonious son-of-the-manse's moral compass seems to have self-destructed. The day after his Glasgow walkabout and all that superficial glad-handing, comes Mrs Duffy. One minute we have patronising, condescending bonhomie, and the next a really nasty little twerp appears in all his glory. It's not a case of 'which is the real Brown' - they both, by definition, must be, since that is how he chose to present himself by his own actions and words, and neither seemed exactly endearing. The denouement on Radio 2 is a classic image of squirming embarrassment for both the subject and the audience. And that visit didn't seem so much intended to make amends to her, but more a desperate attempt to save his own neck, as evidenced by that 'penitent sinner' speech with accompanying body-language and facial expression which said even more than the words themselves. 'I misunderstood what she said' - a desperate, manufactured and self-serving excuse - what exactly was there to misunderstand?
Now we can see Gordon Brown in his true colours. As they say in Rochdale about 2 faced people "He has more faces than the Town Hall Clock" Gordon Brown is a bully who when found out turns into a grovelling creep.
is anyone really suprised,to politicians this is the dirty part of the job (like being in the trenches). electioneering/canvassing going out and talking to real people no doubt they all have long hot showers at the end of the day to rid themselves of the grime,but it will soon be over for another five years and they can go back to there safe comfortable fairy world they live in most of the time.
KICK ASS GRAN WHAT A BEAUT.
Watch out for Gillian Duffy's book........... 'Gordon Brown - My Part in his Downfall!'
doesn't she look like Betty ( as in Bettys hot pot ) from Corrie ?
One can be cynical about Gordon Brown's apology and say it was to save his hide, but I do believe that he was genuinely devastated that Gillian Duffy had heard what he said and that his apology was sincere. However, I also think that the whole fiasco does reveal what Gordon Brown and the labour party really think about immigration and that if you don't agree with an influx of foreigner's into the UK, you're bigotted and quite possibly racist. Yes, immigrants do provide a boost to the economy, but are you willing to sell your culture and ethnicity for a good standard of living? The Lib Dems are even worse on this point, because they would offer amnesty to all illegal immigrants in the country, legalising thier position and promoting a further influx of illegals. The Tories are the lesser of 3 evils here I believe, capping the numbers of immigrants, although they haven't stated what the cap is or what they'll do with illegals. Hopefully more will be revealed in tonights debate.
(Nick Taylor, Milton Keynes, England, 28/4/2010 18:42) "..The Conservative Party have no interest in society and giving everyone an equal opportunity in life. Their only concern is to make the rich richer and the rest of us be damned." Your dreadful Marxist shower have been doing just that for the past 13 years or haven't you noticed? "Despite what the right wing press have you believe, a Conservative victory will only lead to our NHS, education systems etc. being destroyed and in 4 years time we'll all be praying we lived in Greece." The NHS under NuLiebour today has become bloated with overpaid beaurcracy and has opened it's doors to all and sundry from overseas. I pray idiots like you never have to find out what poverty is really all about. Your wasters in the 70's brought this nation to it's knees and they've done so again. Your unelected PM even calls your own supporters names - what an abysmal shower you lot are. Thank god your days are numbered.
The comments here are a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Brown made a mistake, but you lot of armchair fascists put a little bit of thought into moving your fingers over the keyboard. This was caused by the media - not Brown - and he has now had his apology accepted. Grow up the lot of you. - Mike, Wiltshire, 28/4/2010 18:02 Mike you're missing the point. This gaffe shows exactly what Brown thinks of us ordinary people. You may like to go around with your eyes and ears shut but the rest of us feel angry that the leader of our country is so arrogant. He puts one face on in front of the cameras and a far more sinister, nasty and patronising one in private. As a world leader he should be far more understanding towards people's opinions. It is no wonder the Labour Party has kept him away from ordinary people, he has nothing in common with them. I hope you find happiness in La La Land Mike
Mrs Duffy only raised the sort of questions which should be raised by all three parties. Rochdale, Blackburn, Leicester have had waves of immigration one after another from different parts of the world and, whilst there has been masses of money thrown at them to help the Asian communities in these towns, in the name of multiculturalism, the same level of finance and support has not been given for immigrants from Eastern Europe who are mostly Catholic and white. Is this bigotry or racism by the government?
We were told by Labour that Brown would be having a higher profile in the campaign this week. He'd be out and about meeting people, rather than spouting the usual prepared lines to to a room full of Labour faithful. And in this process we would come to know the real Gordon Brown. Well, now we do; A really nasty piece of work who despises the very people he needs to keep him power.
Wikipedia: A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion. Sounds very much like Gordon Brown to me.
Curious as to who rushed to play her the tape?!
"It also shows Labour has no intention of tackling the imergration problems." Nor education either, it seems Sandy..... Gordon has really nailed his colours to the mast here. Many "ordinary" people like me have concerns about the influx of immigrants into the country. Does that make us all bigots as well..?
The lady is a bigot. You cannot claim on the one hand to be a Labour Supporter, then on the other hand to moan about Labour Policies. You lie down with the dog, you get up with the fleas. If you don't like what Labour have done to this country, don't support them. Don't be a bigot, or a hypocrite.
Shut the door on your way out, Gordon.
Poor man, he cannot do anything right, can he? The woman is a bigot and he has the right to say so. I blame sky news for this lady's hurt feelings, they were the ones who broadcast what Gordon said. I don't vote labour, but I think Gordon is a very nice man and should not be pilloried for being human, especially as he has this sort of thing in his face every single day. The stress must be intense.
Labour spokesmen always use the line that 'One million Britons have moved out to European countries, balancing out the one million coming in'. It's a cynical twisting of the truth, a trick that sounds plausible at first - but think about it and you'll soon see the trick. One million leaving Britain for 'Europe' are spread across 25 countries and so have little impact. One million COMING TO BRITAIN FROM EUROPE is one million extra people in our small country, using our dwindling energy and public funds. I'm sure they think they are clever using this ploy, but actually it just shows what a cynical bunch of tricksters they are.
If Brown had remarked in private that he did not like Mrs Duffy's wallpaper or that she had big ears, that would be a typical gaffe that anyone could make. This was infinitely worse. He'd pretended to respect a Labour supporter, & in private showed contempt for her mild worries about immigration. Immigration is the number one topic in the UK, & older people fear for their children & grandchildren's futures, due to mass immigration & its effects on housing, jobs & national character. He is a hypocrite & a bully & a disgrace to 10 Downing Street. He was also the worst Chancellor of the Exchequer of all time.
The Country has the perfect opportunity next Thursday to rid itself of Brown and his gang and send them on a one way ticket down the political abyss. I sometimes think that Labour do not want to win the next election and by not removing Brown prior to the election run-up, his party would not have to worry about implementing what needs to be done to repair the mess they have got Britain in over the last 13 years. I think Cameron doesn't want to inherit the "poisoned chalice" of a broken economy and Clegg just says anything because he knows he will not become PM. I think the UK will end up with an uneasy Conservative/Lib-Dem alliance with frequent elections and growing unrest in the population. Sounds familiar? Look at Greece for a portent of the future..............................
I'm no fan, but give the man a break. 40 mins apologizing to this lady when there's war and recession that need to be taken care of? are you kidding me? since when do we like our Prime Ministers (of whatever party) humiliated?!?
I think I should love my country, that our people should be protected for our country and vice versa. And that makes me a bigot? Or worse, an extremist? Like hell ! I think the time has come for those that love the Third World should leave to live in the Third World along with those who they have brought into our country. They will of course, leave their passports behind as they pass out over our boarders in their quest for the Third World bliss.
I think the comments that Mr Brown made in the interview after leaving Ms Duffy’s house were adding insult to injury; whilst he was saying what he said, he was smiling almost laughing, some might say ‘sneering’ about what had happened in this lady’s house. So any genuine/sincere apologies he may or may not have made to this wonderful lady were totally dishonest and completely devalued Ms Duffy, a ‘lifelong’ Labour supporter. Doesn’t bode well for other ‘lifelong’ Labour supporters I wouldn’t have thought.
As "Joe public" have always suspected, politicians are by instinct "two faced", anything they say has to be treated with extreme caution.
What an idiot he is. This question is on every persons lips in this country and not one of the so called politicians have addressed it. He is the bigot because he says one thing and disregards the public with contempt. Labour are doomed thank god.
Nick Taylor 18.42. What planet do you live on? You are obivously blindly bigoted against the Tories. Have you not noticed the mess this country is in after 13 years of Nu-Labour?
At last one of the 'thinking woman labour voters' have been outed. She who is responsible for getting these scurrilous liebour incompetant thieves into parliment, not once, not twice but THREE times .......... she who had fed the liebour frenzy has now been bitten by the head ogre she has created. However at last the nasty hidden game of power crazed politicians using bullying, the name calling and the abhorant treatment of the ordinary voter as a stupid inconsequential necessity has been revealed. Shame on the PM for suggesting he had been confused - he was caught out red handed displaying his true colours. At least two things are brown and lie fouling our country, Gorden is one of them.
Come on people, let's get real here. All the candidates think we're 'bigot's, it's not entirely surprising what he said. The shocking thing is that he got caught saying it. He made the effort to apologise and now it's over, give the guy some slack no matter how much you dislike him. It's a good thing he didn't use more vulgar words.
His comments merely reflect and typify the attitudes I feel demonstrated by Leaders and MPs alike within the three main parties. The very people of this country who have to suffer the consequences of their actions have no voice and we live in little more than a reflection of a corrupt state where all the elected parliament's actions are based on self interest and not on making life better and secure for the voters!
What a jerk! I seriously cannot believe this. I was so frustrated when watching this poor woman as one of the reporters told her that this is what her prime minister - the man she elected - said about her on national tv. She was so hurt and surprised. 'No, he wouldn't have said such thing.' I mean, seriously, what else does this man need to do to make you realise that he's not the man for the job?! He is probably the worst politician to ever participate in the parliament.
At last! Messenger Brown' s real opinion of the electorate, as I imagine this lady was saying what most of the electorate are thinking, and she spoke her own mind - which he didn't like - or want to hear! EU rules OK! Fortunately - for us, not him - and his crowd of ne'er do wells, he spoke hisown mind as to what he thinks of most of the Electorate - and didn't he 'SULK' - ‘Best TV sulk yet to be seen!’ - yet he believes all that baloney about him being the 'SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD?' I bet he has got that Saviour sign - in Gold Plate, somewhere prominently where it will be seen by all! A real CLANGER response to ‘Mrs DUFFY’ - Gordie boy - it will never go away, and will always represent NEW LABOUR as the only truthful sounding statement that they ever uttered - and, I feel sure, that the usual 'OOPS! SORRY!' - ‘get out of jail free Card' - will not work this time - or possibly ever again!! TRUTH can hurt - repeatedly - as we shall see!
He was right she is a bigot! So are most adults in the UK; sad but true!!! sad to see an election turned into a PC debate on who can be the bestest in correctness without saying what they will do if elected. Sounds like a load of bigoted PC to me!!!!
So . . . . . Insulting an old lady . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Invading Iraq due to WMD. . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Greedy MP's Expenses . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Banks lending irresponsibly . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Promising a referendum on EU membership . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Allowing people to earn more on welfare than working minimum wage . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Unemployment of young people rising fast . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Not listening to the electorate and treating them like ignorant morons . . . . a misunderstanding . . . . What next . . . . loads of manifesto promises to desperately cling to power and then break. . . . a misunderstanding . . . . Labours 3 terms in power . . . . . Just ONE BIG MISUNDERSTANDING!!! Worryingly, both of the other contenders views are probably the same since politicians and religious figures only back pat there own.
I suppose you all think David Cameron has never said anything out of turn when there hasn't been a microphone around. Brown's comments are typical of ALL politicians.
'All these Eastern Europeans, where are they flocking from' - sounds a bit bigoted to me...
Despite what the right wing press have you believe, a Conservative victory will only lead to our NHS, education systems etc. being destroyed and in 4 years time we'll all be praying we lived in Greece. Thankfully I don't think the British people foolish enough to vote them in to power. If you're not sure, just remember how Thatcher wrecked this country and Labour have had to spend the last how many years repairing the damage......lets not go there again! - Nick Taylor, Milton Keynes, England, 28/4/2010 18:42 Think you've got that the wrong way around mate. Labour got us into massive debt and we were at the beck and call of every militant unionist. Thatcher sorted the mess out by making some very tough decisions like a true leader has to do. It's always the way with Labour. They run up massive debts and then leave it someone else to take the flak for making the hard decisions.
Why on earth was she still after all Labour have done in ruining this Country going to vote Labour, an old English saying is' there is nothing stranger than folks'obviously she is satisfied with the state of our economy luvs the fact children leave school too thick to fill in an application form is happy that when she gets old she might be starved to death on the Liverpool pathway, happy with the £6k debt he has burdened all of us with, happy she might not be given drugs if she or her family become ill............................she was still going to vote Labour how many more people are like her? The three main Parties have never once spoken of the true costs of EU immigration into this Country not one them have the inclination to stop it.....I am one year older than Mrs Duffy but Streets ahead of her in knowing how our Country has been betrayed and will be after this election! how could she still have been voting Labour?
Nick Taylor, Milton Keynes, England, 28/4/2010 18:42 you are entitled to you opinion Nick, but if it had differed from the self delusional opinion of Brown you would be classed as a bigot. Personally I believe you are totally wrong in all of your assumptions of how thigs have become fairer under this government, may be that makes me a bigot
So Brown has proved what most sane individuals have been thinking, he can only perform to a stage managed audience, and what edited drivel he spouts is not what he privately thinks. Hopefully this will put an end to his disastrous occupancy in Downing Street. Now I'm just waiting for Mandelson & co to slither out from under their rocks to slag off Mrs Duffy and attempt to muddy the waters and distract attention away from Browns PR mistake.
"British citizens are leaving the UK because of all the trash you have allowed into the country Brown & Co." Problem is Anne there is plenty of home grown trash that needs sorting.
If what this woman said is considered correct by the British public then I am so glad that I have moved out of such a bigoted country! Is there not such a thing as 'off the record' anymore I think that the attention should be on the 'GUTTER PRESS' that thinks that even someones private thoughts should be in the public domain. Show me someone that has not had a PRIVATE thought of a similar nature in their lives & I will show you a liar. Leave all politicians & celebrities a little room to have a private life, after all how would you feel if every little thing that you did (Including your earnings) were broadcast to the world?
Gillian Duffy for PM.
I think that one of the most telling points was one made by one of the political commentators who had been speaking to a Labour party aide, who disclosed that Gordon had got off lightly with this gaffe, so heaven only knows what this man is really like when he amongst his own.
With his remarks that Gordie Made yesterday about Gillian Duffy ((who WAS (NOT NOW I HOPE) a very strong labour voter)) after entering his car, - - I hope now that ALL THE STAUNCH LABOUR VOTER'S will NOT VOTE for this party next Thursday after hearing just what he thinks of every body - -( when he is his own domain ), who attempts to go against his own personal views. The sooner this non-elected PM goes the better because " HE IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF AI R SPACE "
PLEEEEEEEASE! EVERYBODY.....VOTE CONSERVATIVE - We cannot risk a hung parliament. We need to be tactical on this election. We cannot risk him ever being behind the helm of this sinking ship. WE NEED A NEW CAPTAIN. This man is desperate to maintain power and is a total and utter control freak, who is more of a bigot than anyone - he views the English working man and woman as little more than the BNP. He hates us. Do not pity him - he has his family to do that. Just remember what lies he has told and failures he has made. His cringeworthy display of apology for the bigot issue made me feel physically sick as it screamed DESPERATION - he will stop at nothing against all advice to get what HE wants - what HE thinks is best - what HE sets out to do. This man has built a deluded dream in his head - a vision for all but it's his personal dream and wish and not the peoples. He is looking more and more like Berlusconi by the day a bumbling, corrupt idiot of a man and less like a Noble PM.
Is she still brainwashed enough to vote Labour though?
She should sue him personally for slander.
Let's face it. The politicians of this country care nothing for the lives of the people who vote for them. All they care about is power and lining their own pockets. Labour wish to cling to power, they have done everything possible to try and permanently alter the country to ensure that they stay in power. In this respect they are no different than Mugabe and his henchmen. The Liberal Democrats are worse. They will do anything and say anything for power, but they also want to ensure their place at the top of the chain, so they will break whatever needs breaking to do that. The Conservatives are no different, I have seen nothing yet that makes me want to vote for them. If the politician has been in the House of Commons within the last five years, he or she is part of the expenses scandal. All of them have been part of the problem for so long, it's very hard to see them as providing any sort of solution.
What you have to remember is that bigot or not this is not the point. The point is immigration, but if you listen properly to polliticians they always exclude immigrants from europe from the conversation because we are tied into the european community that allows free movement of people. So here you have to say the reall issue is EUROPE. We need to pull out of europe pronto.
He is a politician!!! They are all the same!!! They all will say one thing to your face and another behind your back They all treat the general public with disdain!! None of them are interested in the country only their own ego and bank balance. Anyone that thinks that any of the three major parties will stop the invasion of immigrants into this country is living in la la land
And the only reason he "regrets" his remarks are because he got CAUGHT, not because he didnt mean them.
Rochdale is a dump, it's full of ignorant types like that old woman. Most of the people there are only worried about immigration because it means less welfare money for them. London is sick of subsidising the North. Brown should not have had to grovel to her. - Lilly JDP, the wrong part of Kensington, 28/4/2010 17:11 I also live in London and we do not subsidise the North (and I do not come from the North either, I was born in Middlesex). Our taxes do not just go to pay the benefits of those in London but go into a 'central pot' for everything and everybody. .
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's a duck.
I very much doubt he is the first person to turn around and say what he really thinks in the privacy of his own car! I am sure Cameron, Clegg and any other person would be doing exactly the same, as soon as their backs are turned and the cameras are off. The only downfall for Gordon, was he still had his microphone on!
Nick Taylor, Milton Keynes Couldn't put it better myself. People are fools if they think that other party leaders dont say the same thing...with the case of the BNP we know they say MUCH worse.....just you wont read about that much. Look what the BNP leader and MP said the other day. Gordon Brown you have my support no matter what. As far as I see it you made the best of the worst situation.
He has shown contempt for ordinary, decent people and their legitimate concerns. I bet he's sorry, but not for his attitude but for being found out. Well done Sky news.
Of course you are allowed to express your views as long as they are Gordons.O to be a fly on the wall when meddlesom heard this.
Just proves that everything that comes out of their mouths is scripted as not to offend or upset the British of Joe Public... you wait he will be the total centre of attention now and it should not be that way. There are alot of people in this country, BROWN, CAMERON and CLEGG that are proud to be British, English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish and for this we get called bigots/nazis for wanting to defend our homeland and heritage. Please wake up and realise the more you skirt around the issue of Immigration the fewer votes you will get, but I forget the more you let in the more votes you get. Hurry up May the 6th.,. I am now bored why didn't they pick straws seems it was good enough for Brown in the first place!!!
I admit to being a bigot, or 'a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to my own opinions and prejudices'. I have the opinion that 13 years of Labour has left us technically bankrupt. I have the opinion that none of the mainstream parties are telling the truth about immigration and what will need to be done to reduce our budget deficit. I am totally intolerant about the celebrity show that the election campaign appears to have become. I will obstinately fight for fair funding for England and for my county, Lincolnshire, and nobody will change this. Yes, I am a bigot in this respect. I will become even more intolerant if, in five years time, they have another election and suddenly show an interest in us again, rolling out the same old promises and again treating us like idiots!
Mrs. Duffy should have been advised that Britain encourages welfare migrants with Gordon Brown's over generous welfare benefits and the ease with which the UK benefit system can be defrauded. European Law encourages the movement of workers not shirkers.
Brown is the biggest bigot of all who has been found out, he is also a sexist bully who dislikes women, and by continuing to oppose an English assembly he is also a racist. Now is the time to get rid of him and his miserable party and start afresh.
Brown's staff, colleagues and journalists cannot hide this horrendous gaffe. As Mrs. Duffy's niece states, "He has shown his true colours. He's always trying to pretend to be so nice and in touch with the people, but he's obviously not." Dysfunctional Brown does not have the temperament to handle the pressures of the highest office in the land. It is frightening to think he has 'his finger' on our nuclear button. It showed complete disrespect for a hard working grandmother and staggeringly a life time supporter. He has lost his focus completely. He is certainly psychologically flawed and does not engender confidence. Most of the electorate will do well to reject him on the 6th of May when he goes down to the biggest electoral defeat in history.
I can't abide Mr Brown but I do have sympathy with the fact that what he said in private has been broadcast to the world, we've all said things about people we wish we hadn't and know when we say it that we're wrong, so I feel for him there, but for me its not what he called her, its the way he immediately had to have someone else to blame, always someone else's fault just like with the economic crisis we are in now - not me gov, its global. The fact that someone else is to blame for a member of the general public being able to ask him the questions we all want to know the answer to. How dare she. And when it didn't go is way, as he perceived it, he resorted to name calling, confirming to us all the bully he is, do we really want this man running this country? And people who defend him deserve everything they get if they vote this man in again.
Immigration..Brits who up and leave don't settle on mass in 1 small town or take over whole communities as has happened here. Generally a family or single people or some friends move to an area, NOT thousands all in 1 go, in the same plac,e swamping services!!!!!!! With unemployment amongst UK citizens so high just what are the economic benefits of mass inward migration when we're paying copious amounts of taxpayers money supporting the unemployed here. PLEASE TELL ME...
I live in harringey,London,no one talks english,it's the worst place to live in london.
You have to wonder WHY nearly a million British people have left the country, maybe because its in such a mess!!!
Move ON!!!!! It won't be the first and certainly not the last Gaff!!...we've all said thing we shouldn't in the heat of the moment, I am sure the press etc; will make the most of this..if only we could be a fly on the wall of Cameron(the original Tory Boy) and the ever smarmy Nick Clegg ...
Rochdale is a dump, it's full of ignorant types like that old woman. Most of the people there are only worried about immigration because it means less welfare money for them. London is sick of subsidising the North. Brown should not have had to grovel to her. - Lilly JDP, the wrong part of Kensington So you know most people like Mrs Duffy do you? How else would your comment make any sense whatsoever. It seems to me that far from Mrs Duffy being ignorant, yours comments are the ignorant ones here. Mrs Duffy seemed like a nice lady who asked the questions a lot of people (north and south inc. London) are concerned about in a very reasonable balanced way. It was Mr Brown's choice to grovel because he wants to win the election but let's face it, he said what he said and he meant what he meant. That was the unplugged Mr. Brown. Mrs. Duffy didn't ask him to phone up and apologize. She just looked hurt that after generations of support for the Labour party she was insulted by them.
If only the MPs on the front benches on both sides of the House came out of that Ivory Tower and LISTENED to us the 'ordinary people' perhaps when they deem to go round the streets then wouldn't hear things they don't want to they would KNOW. One thing this lady was enquiring about was immigration - it doesn't bother me personally but I am retired I'm not looking for a house, or job but my children and grandchildren are and they are finding it difficult to get a home and impossible to get a job our local big stores are 95% full of people from East Europe, nothing against them BUT they aren't staying they save up enough and go home but there is a sister,brother friend in the wings waiting for the job and they are asking LESS money. Yes Mr Brown, Cameron and Clegg get on top of that and the people will be happier. It's no good saying it isn't happening because it is.
"....and was demonised by Brown" Anyone who thinks that is being demonised, is not living in the real world. What was wrong in this incident was that some creep, wanting to score a few points, passed on what was said in confidence.
You are all bigots.
Oh dear, know we know fellow voters. If you wish to raise the question of immigration in general, if you are worried about overcrowding in our small country, if you are worried about the strain on education, health and housing or other services, if you are concerned about anything at all to do with an increase in the population, DON'T mention the matter to anyone least of all to New Labour otherwise you will be called a 'bigot'.
Did anyone check his pockets for Mrs Duffys postal vote when he left her house with that big grin on his fizzog??
just remember when the cuts come that you wanted them, from chig, chigwell, essex, 28/4/2010 18:01 That's just the typical head in the sand Labour attitude that's put this country in the mess we're in now. Gimme, gimme, gimme, and let somebody else pay for the profligate (that's wasteful to you) spending that Gordon McBean and the Marxist/socialist Nu-Liarbour party have inflicted on this country for the last disasterous 13+years. Brown hates the public, he looks down on them with the disdain that's obvoius with his body language and facial expressions. The only bigots in this country are Brown and his rotten to the core government of the lacklustre and talentless who are the real destroyers of this country, aided and abetted by the benefit culture Nu-Liarbour supporters. You're a fool Chig from Essex, if you think Brown will take you into the next parliament without cuts, its just that they'll call them 'spending less'. You'll still feel the pain, unless you're unemployed!
Mr Brown - Are you really as stupid as you appear? The Brits living in Europe that you refer to are generally well educated, wealth creating, middle class earners. The millions you have shoe horned into our small country are generally uneducated, low or non-earning people. How the hell can this be a good thing? Please Mr Brown - go now before you do any further damage to a once great nation and for those who have been blinded by the so called new approach of Mr Clegg - guess what... he wants to allow millions more in! Wake up UK !
They say "you get your rewards", Gordon Brown. God works in a mysterious way, you have been rewarded for treating ordinary, well intended people with contempt. Immigration has been a worry for thousands of people. You have given our country away and have bankrupted us. Will be paying for it for the next 20 years. Do not vote this man in if you care for your family.
Goddbye and good riddence bigot Clown, and take your rotten putrid Marxist shower with you..
Brown came out of his comfort zone and could not handle it, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. He will have to go back to labour orchestrated meeting were he will feel safe. Labour are finished but there will always be idiots who will vote for them.
Gordon Brown was a great chancellor but never should have been labour leader, he has no charm whatsoever, he has personally lost labour the election , what the hell was he thinking making those comments . Just shows what he is really like !!!!
Gordon Brown's hypocritical gaff is symptomatic of the attitudes prevalent among our policy makers and all who govern, whether at local or national levels. Elevated above the grind of everyday living, politicians, their civil servants and local government officers occupy a rarified strata that precludes them from having to face the mundane problems besetting ordinary folk; the same folk as they themselves were before political life sucked them into its beguilingly corrupt but attractive quagmire of expense accounts and easy living. The despair, disappointment and disillusionment of the people is not to be wondered at when confronted by such scenes as we witnessed on our television screens yesterday and know are recorded for posterity on the internet. Last year saw the scandal of parliamentary expenses and the enforced rsignation of the Speaker; the latter was rewarded with a peerage for his part in the affair while other miscreants await theirs, to be bestowed in due course.
True colours and not red.
Browns comment - As 1million immigrants come into the UK so 1million emigrants depart to Europe - Does he not know the number of countries in the EU to which people may emigrate, compared to one country, the UK. Also it is to be noted, particularly in Spain, hundreds, if not thousands of UK Expatriates, are returning to UK, due a poor State Pension and the drop in the exchange rate. Yet another demand on the UK Health Service.
i remember that other 2 faced pm promising a national debate on immigration well we are still waiting politicians should remember there are quite a lot of voters that are far brighter than them and dont go into politics to avoid having to become 2 faced bigots. We may have been effectively gagged from speaking in public about immigration bit it still goes on behind closed doors but that set of dead heads at westminster probably havent managed to work that one out. I for one will be glad when the election is over and we wont have to listen to any more of their lies and promises they will never keep its about time Davy boi nailed his colours to the mast as its been an election of no policys so far
The only thing Mr Brown is sorry about is being caught out. He clearly thinks she is a bigot. This goes for all of the electorate who think that immigration is one of the main issues in this election.
It's what he realy thinks about us ordinary people.
Come on - the guy's human. And at least it livened a very dull campaign up a bit.
hahahahahaha
EVERYTHING this lady asked him was what most people think. This man is out of touch. I cannot stand him at all.
He shouldn't have apologised. He had an opinion. He should have stuck with it.
She is a bigot - why single out Eastern Europeans? And why did her family go to Australia? Probably because they had people that migrated there. That's alright then for the English.............
Hope they have booked a removal firm for their return to Scotland as they going to need them after this clanger??
Well he has shown how much a bully he is,grovling won't get him any votes,he has just lost a large amount of penshioners votes.This lady is like millions of others worried about immigration.Labour will never give you an honest answer on anything.
not nice eh gordo ,welcome to your survaillance society where all our e mails are monitored phone calls logged movements monitored on camera ,ain,t it good when it comes back and to smack you in the face see.......... you don,t like it either
What many older Labour supporters do not seem to realise is that this government has very little to do with the socialist ideals of the Labour party of years gone by. New Labour does not represent Labour values at all (See expenses, see lies, see scams, see Mandelson) Even the idea that Gordon Brown would be visiting the 'ordinary' people is patronising in the extreme. If we are ordinary, surely that means he considers himself to be extraordinary.
This was the day that Brown guaranteed Labour's resounding electoral defeat. .
Mrs Duffy should be rejoicing in the fact that immigrants and asylum seekers have enriched her drab, dull Northern backwater. The majority of decent British people embrace diversity and extend a welcoming hand to new British citizens. Is that not right Mr Brown.
Its laughable to see a number of comments trying to twist this into a debate on the Tories! This lady represents one of Labours core voters. We have been told endlessly how GB and Labour stand up for these working class people. Well any pretence that was true have now be shattered and broadcast for all those millions of Labour voters to hear. Really want to know what GB thinks of working classes Labour voters?? Well read it and weep. The Labour party are so far up their own backsides, full of their own self importance, spending our money like a bottomless pit. They don't care about anything or anyone. Don't kid yourselves. Bye bye Gordon, bye bye Labour, I hope and pray we never see your type or your party for a generation. I also hope to God that we, as a nation, can some how recover from the £800 Billion (and rising) black hole you have left us in.
Well wasn't that fun ! Lots has been said and Gordon's intonation really gave him away but what made him think he had the right to refer to her as Gillian ? Mr.Brown you are not a close friend or relative and Mrs Duffy was I believe the correct way to address her. You had lost any right to use her first name and please don't smile there was nothing to smile about !
Campbell says he' s never seen Brown so angry with himself. I'll bet. Not because he hurt an old woman's feelings, more because he was found out. And that apology. My God. I was cringing watching. This is the PM of this country and he his so mixed up inside, with people telling him how to behave normally, he feels he'd better smile, with that phoney smirk...while making an apology. It beggars belief that anyone would want this man, and this crowd running things.
And remember tonight Gormless, brain in gear, mouth to speak, and you will still muff it, bye bye GG......
And Yet. She will STILL vote for him ROFL Labour voters are like a brainwashed cult. No matter what the cult does they are still there following along behind.
So, when are Cameron and Clegg going to get the same challenging questions. They've all been avoiding the "immigration" question like the plague; answering with vague assurancies. Brown is just the first to fall flat on his ego. No wonder they are avoiding public questions and answers.
I don't know why Gordon Brown felt it necessary to go and apologise in person. I felt sorry for him. we all say things when we don't think anyone can hear us. It was very unfortunate and I don't think it was bad at all. He could have said a lot worse.I f I'd have been him I would have just said, "tough". He wouldn't have been any worse thought of than he already is and at least he would have hung onto his self respect. He's only human after all. I bet he can't for all this to be over whether he wins the election or not.
Brown was absolutely right, From what I've heard the woman say he told the truth. What's wrong with this whole business is that his private conversation should never have been broadcast. I'm not a labour voter.
I am Bigot ............(from a film somewhere)
So a million English people move overseas and Mr Brown thinks its ok to have a million East Europeans take their places, what is happening to England is this Labours plan to take the English out of England
Brown is simply not fit for purpose.
Politicians. Doesn't matter what country you live in, they're virtually all the same, and the few honest ones get beat down by the rest. Sounds like this woman had a valid concern, one that is ignored here as well by politicians. I have nothing against those who chose to honestly go to another country and work, but when benefits and medical assistance are being paid to those who broke the law by coming illegally, or coming simply to take advantage of benefits, it only hurts those people who have been trying their best that actually do need help.
i just love all the bleeding heart die hard Lie-bour supports twisting and turning like mad desperately trying to absolve Brown of his gaffe. I especially like Mike "the commie" from Wiltshire who says that we are all facists and its the medias fault for Uncle Gordons big mouth....oh yes mikie....keep em comin!
GB: A million people have come from Europe but a million British people have gone into Europe. You do know that there's a lot of British people staying in Europe as well... Gordon Brown just does not understand the funamental issue. Of the million people coming from Europe (and the rest of the world, including illegally) there is a very high percentage who arrive and immediately throw themselves upon the mercy of the British welfare system becoming a drain on the economy by being gifted the fruits of hardworking peoples tax contributions. I live in Europe (Spain) and know many many "expats" from the UK aswell as numerous other European countries. I personally do not know a single "expat" claiming benefits from Spain. The issue is not immigration per se, it is the far too liberal British welfare system, why do people think that there are clandestine camps full of potential immigrants all around the Pas de Calais in Northern France who are trying to get across the channel?
Rather ironical his initials are "GB" as that`s the last place Mr Brown seems to want to stand up for!! Ok so Gordon Brown messed up, but far from being villified I think we should be grateful to him for confirming what we all suspected from the start of this and any election....that we are all taken as fools and being led like lambs to the slaughter by ALL Party Leaders !! I suggest election day be put back a week and a further live tv debate held next week with not just the three musketeers but with other party representatives whereby each and every one is forced to reveal facts and figures behind their mandate ! That would be a first.
Me; Somewhere It doesn't matter if we think that GB created the problems we are in, (although I think he is a terrible manager), or if you blame the media for the current disaster he finds himself in. The bottom line is he and the Labour party are clearly worn out, going to do pretty much the same wrong stuff in the next 5 years and are NOT the people to clear up this mess. A new way has to be tried, and Brown calling some old dear a bigot because she doesn't share his view on a jam packed UK, indicates that he has NO intention of altering his position on immigration, (even if he tells the public he will), or anything else that concerns the British public. It's his way or else.........
It just shows how much out of touch Governments are and have been since 1969. They are only there for themselves and not the General Public They are just groveling around begging for their votes.
ho-ho-ho, brilliant I vowed to renounce my British citizenship if Labour got voted in yet again. Looks like there's hope for me yet. Keep it up Gordon. There's a lot of people waiting on you to leave before they return to the UK, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Brown is summed up in just one of his sentences. "You know I have strengths as well as weaknesses." That is not an apology it is a selling point. A humble person would admit to their own weaknesses first. He is and always has been a lying scumbag with no concern for anyone but himself. On the debates he is facing politicians who are brought up to have evasive answers. Put him against 95% of BRITISH people and he would be torn to shreds.
To: me somewhere: The person to blame is the previous Chancellor and the current Prime Minister. Oh wait, isn't that Gordon Brown. PM Brown wants to fix the mess he created!!!!!!
Stick a fork in him, he's done!
I suspect that Gordon's only real regret is that he got caught..!
His only mistake was GETTING CAUGHT
I guess the vast majority of you people dislike Brown? Even when something blatantly isn't his fault he gets blamed for it. I'm surprised you idiots haven't blamed him for world war 2 yet.
Well...now we know what they (the political class) think of us. Well...they've got a big client state in the public sector. There're plenty of votes out there for them. Ho hum....I think a hung Parliament will be a good idea. They'll be so busy sniping at each other that they might leave us alone. Then, in a few months we'll have another election....and maybe thing'll be clearer, and we'll be able to vote for some party which actually offers a clear, well thought out, credible policy, and which has some respect for the sense of the electorate. I'm a lifelong Tory voter. I'll vote in this election because it's my duty, but it's a case of selecting the party which nauseates me least ......
Gordon you are a truly great totalitarian leader. We love you more than it is possible to say. How could such people dare to question you,the Great Leader,the wondrous one,the fearless speaker into the microphone. Doesn't matter that it was still switched on. You have now magnificently demonstrated that you feel all people in your country are wrong and stupid. North Korea blesses and welcomes you. True inspirational leader,as this message goes out,your medal and government residence are in preparation. Onne hunk loow.
Mike from WHITSHIRE I am not sure how the media get a mention here unless they are operating Browns mouth. He,s cocked up and been found out time to accept he is unfit to lead and has his own agenda not the interests of the majority at heart.
Mike from WHITSHIRE I am not sure how the media get a mention here unless they are operating Browns mouth. He,s cocked up and been found out time to accept he is unfit to lead and has his own agenda not the interests of the majority at heart.
Brown has nothing but contempt for the the British people , he is diluded into thinking that he is the only possible saviour of the UK from the financial disaster that he and other idiots in government have caused. We really need labour out now and get some new people in to sort the mess out , unfortunatly it is going to be a painfull process and I expect after the election and hopefully Labour losing we will find out the true extent of the damage twelve year of bad govenment has really done to this country. We need a new government with the guts to put things right and undo the mess Labour has caused.
So, Cameron is prepared to go into the lion's den and face town hall meetings and student gatherings to put his case, Gordon can't even deal with a 66 year old life long Labour supporter brought to him by an aide without losing votes. This lady said nothing bigotted, just asked the questions we all want answers to and all Gordon could do was regurgitate the party line. The country is in such a financial mess we need someone prepared to sort it out, not spin it. Such a rookie error to talk with the mike still on - this is why leaders need to be democratically elected, by the parties and the country.
Good for Brown. About time, even if inadvertently, someone told it like it is. Bigotry is unacceptable and should be even amongst DM readers.
Apart from anything else, Brown has misused the the word 'bigot'. To be bigoted the opinion has to be unreasonable in the face of the evidence. However, the evidence is that immigration IS a problem so a person complaining about it is not bigoted. This is yet another example of misuse of this word when the uneducated always try to tie it to racial matters, which is a false association unless the view being expressed is unreasonable in the face of the evidence. To say 'I hate foreigners' is not in of itself bigoted. The opinion is open to debate.
What a load of old nonsense. The election is supposed to be about the policies of the political parties and not one private conversation which has ended up in the publc domain. If the country heard the true beliefs of Cameron and co there is no way he would have any chance of getting in to power. The Conservative Party have no interest in society and giving everyone an equal opportunity in life. Their only concern is to make the rich richer and the rest of us be damned. Despite what the right wing press have you believe, a Conservative victory will only lead to our NHS, education systems etc. being destroyed and in 4 years time we'll all be praying we lived in Greece. Thankfully I don't think the British people foolish enough to vote them in to power. If you're not sure, just remember how Thatcher wrecked this country and Labour have had to spend the last how many years repairing the damage......lets not go there again!
British citizens are leaving the UK because of all the trash you have allowed into the country Brown & Co.
'If you like, I am a penitent sinner. Sometimes you say things that you don't mean to say, as said by GORDIE BARMY BROONE - - - - especialy when only lies ever come out of his mouth. 'They have chosen to play my private conversation with the person who was in the car with me,' he said. and why not !!!! if that is the way he thinks, that every body is a bigotte, it takes one to know one.
I really hope she sells her story and makes a pretty penny out of it. That lady's a grafter and has worked hard her whole life and where has it got her - I hope she cleans up out of this.
Congratulations Mrs. Duffy, you have just proved what we knew all along. You made mincemeat of this arrogant buffoon. Gordon, just because you can't sort out the immigration problem don't pretend it doesn't exist!!!
She did not come across as a bigot, the 'right on' mood is to discuss immigration sensibly - until you do!! It is an area of different populations which need managing. we all actually want to integrate but we can't if being swamped (as in some areas) a lot of people seem to thing that its an unfortunate comment not his fault etc - it is his fault, he is responsible for his own mouth, it would still not be ok if his mike was not on. The comments and the attitude behind it tell you all you need to know about Labour and Gordon Brown - that is the real Gordon Brown we have just seen. It cannot be glossed over. It is the contempt he has for ordinary people
Well now it's official, straight from the horses mouth (sorry to any horses reading this comment) If you are concerned about immigration you are a BIGOT. Now there are close on a million British people who voted BNP in the EU elections because they were fed up with Liblabcons immigration policies (or lack of them), they have been called idiots, racists and bigots for doing so. Mrs Duffy has supported labour all her life, worked with the labour party and mentions immigration and this is what happens. All you Labour voters who may have the same worries that this 65 year old "bigotted" lady has have just seen the true colours of your choice of prime minister, he classes you as bigots too, will you vote for someone who looks down at you and calls you a bigot? And he still shirks the issue by saying he missunderstood the words she used, I watched the video and I understood her words clearly enough. Throw the spade away and stop digging Brown, P45 is by door signed exit.
I have never seen so many talkbacks on a story before. This is a case of Labour shooting the messenger - or voter. No wonder they are no behind the Lib Dems for the first time in 100 years!
This truly is hysterical. AND this story made it's way across the pond to both Fox News Online and CNN Online-- not many UK stories end up on our online front pages! I hope she isn't daft enough to still vote Labour!!! He's just showing how he really feels about his constituents.
Gordon only said what he was thinking. I wish Dave would be so brave.
I find it truly ironic that Brits, Aussies and Americans all like foreign labor to do the jobs that natives won't but as soon as they decide to stay for good everyone gets their knickers in an uproar? With the exception of the UK, Australia and America never really belonged to us. One could say that we might be the original immigrants to both countries and never thought twice as to whether the land belonged to someone else. Cheers!
Your the real bigot gordo.You seem to hate your own people.
Andrew Crackles, you are missing the point. Labour have for years called the good people of this country racist because they happen to be alarmed at what the Labour party has done to our society - deliberately using mass immigration to change and water down its identity and culture - deliberately creating policy against the prevailing common sense undersatndings our country used to operate under and deliberately favouring foreign culture and history above our own. When will Labour voters learn that party doesn't care about Labour voters one bit. Nu-Labour is a Fabian outfit - READ what that means and get you heads out of the sand to realise the communists want power over everyone - they favour neither you nor any one else but the ruling elite. I think ALL Labour voters are conspiring in the treachery of this country by this corrupt, gutless, incompetent and dangerously sinister party.
Matthew, Notting Hill (17:04).- Yes, everyone makes mistakes, although most of us can spell the word "thought" correctly. Brown is entitled to make them too, but he is surely not entitled articulate his mistakes so publicly, knowingly or not, and with such ill temper. He is also going to have to live with the consequences of the mistakes he has made for the last 13 years. So are we, unfortunately. As for boxes, the boxes which will count (and be counted) are the ballot boxes containing papers, each one of those having boxes with crossesmarked on them. It is Brown and his apologists who epitomise what is wrong with the country.
Many people are concerned about immigration levels, and the open door policies, (or should that be ''pull the door off the hinges'' and let them all in policies) that Liebour and Gormless have adopted. Only UKIP are courageous enough to address this in a common sense and straight talking fashion.
SteveO 17.00 - He was absolutely right in his claim that he would 'put an end to boom and bust'. He did it by editing the 'boom' bit out. Mind you, he was only speaking on the well known Labour principle that anyone who wants to discuss Immigration is a bigot, so nothing new there. Dead man walking.....
Rochdale is a dump, it's full of ignorant types like that old woman. Most of the people there are only worried about immigration because it means less welfare money for them. London is sick of subsidising the North. Brown should not have had to grovel to her. - Lilly JDP, the wrong part of Kensington, 28/4/2010 17:11 How rude, plenty of people on benefits in the smoke too ,especially immigrants.
How did this well educated man misunderstand this woman? I've watched the video several times and I understood her completely. Sorry Gordon, you didn't misunderstand her. You just don't like what she stands for.
It won't stop the way I vote!
What a wonderful man. Throws things around, bullies his staff, hates women and calls grandmothers bigots. Makes you proud to vote Labour.
I was suprised to hear Gordon say that he only made that comment because he couldn't understand Mrs Duffy. He was holding a very long conversation with her, over a range of topics, which was very good for someone who didn't understand. The only thing he didn't understand was how the perfect photo opportunity with a lifelong Labour voter could go so horribly wrong. Had "Sue" checked what Mrs Duffy wanted to ask Mr Brown, instead of thinking it was safe to let a genuine Labour voter near him, then she would never have been allowed to go off track when he kept trying to vere her back onto how nice it was to work with children.
So she is a bigot just because she airs her opinion. That is just what is wrong with this country. Can't say anything without it being bigotted/racist
"Gordon goes back to grovel in person " I doubt very much that he groveled. There was no need for him to do that. He was being polite. Why always look for the bad side or the dark side? I have voted every year since leaving the Royal Navy in 1956, but will be voting Labour for the first time on the 6th of next month.
He only apologised because it was caught on tape. I think this lady is more an idiot that a bigot, after all she did vote Labour in every election for the past 60 years?
got news for you brown, there are a lot more of us "bigots" who agree with that lady...and why apologise to her if you think you are right anyway........
All you people who have wrote on here saying Gillian is a bigot and that Gordon Brown was right should get an education. Bigot - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. I would say that Gillian came across very well. She certainly didn't come across as intolerant. She had every right to ask those questions. Her comments about Eastern Europeans are perfectly acceptable. I'd say immigration is one of the main factors in this election campaign and Gormless Brown failed to give her a straight answer, changed the subject then called her a bigot. The fact that he shows no tolerance to Gillian or the decent people of this country makes him a bigot. All the other political parties don't needs an election campaign as Brown is making a very good job of messing up his chances of winning all by himself. One thing is for certain, I will never vote for him!!
Bigot eh, with the socialists record it sounds like the kettle calling the pot black..
If the questions Gillian Duffy asked made her a Bigot then Britain must have more Bigots than any other country in the world. And I am therefore one too as they were excellent questions.
What an arrogant man he has shown himself to be and shows no respect for the voters. It also shows Labour has no intention of tackling the imergration problems.
Well she came across as a bigot, he speaks the truth. This is pure spin from the right wing media. If she had a legitimate point about immigration she would just say it. The only reason to say "You can't say anything about the immigrants" is because she wanted to say something racist. - Jim, Rochdale, 28/4/2010 17:16 Jim, you obviously didn't hear the chat in full. She was asking about the tax she pays on the pension she gets, when added to the widows portion of her husbands pension. She also asked about the cost of university education for her grandchildren. When Gordon seemed to have told off some lads, and pointed out that they would get into trouble if they misbehaved, she seemed suprised, as she felt Rochdale had been ignored as far as tackling crime was concerned. She even said that she was a lifelong Labour supporter, and her father sang the Red Flag at meetings, but she felt ashamed to admit it now. Immigration was just one small element of her questioning. Fact!
This is surely a perfect example of making a mountain out of a molehill. Serves the woman right, I hope she enjoys all the publicity she's getting about this piffling incident.
Almost as nauseating as Brown's villification of a pensioner and lifelong Labour supporter are the ferocious efforts at spin by Mandelson, Campbell and co. Their attempts to deflect the storm of outrage that is building here shows them all in a true and deeply unattractive light. None of them are fit to polish Gillian Duffy's shoes. Time to go, Labour - best get packing
Just to speak about immigration marks you out as a racist and a fascist by the labour left wing zealots.
I don't like Gordon Brown but at least he had the bottle to appologise to the woman involved has Dave been to see any of the women who were attacked by the Tory's or is he too arrogant?
Its not just Gordon Brown its the whole cabinet who think this way.
We have seen the real man today, all the accusations of Brown being a bully and reacting to any one who disagrees with him have now been found to be true. Also it confirms Labours attitude to immigration has not changed, he talks about geting tough with immigration controls but in reality the Labour will carry on and encourage the continuation of mass immigration in to this country. Again we have seen Brown and Labours true colours today even with his own traditional voter, you cannot trust this man or his party with all polittcal issues
Wow, we've always been told how politeand friendly the Brits are,I guess it doesn't extend to your politics. Gordon Brown should resign immediately and go hide in a hole in the ground. Who does he think he is?
You can call it bigotry if you like, but this women proves what many have said all along you cannot say your opinions anymore, we are now with the human rights charter further removed from being a free and democratic country, it does not matter if this woman is a bigot she is rank and file labour and has been so all of her life and like 1000's of others she is sick of seeing the country destroyed and it is particularly hard when it is by the party you thought you could trust to protect your interests and that of your people.who's driving people into the arms of the BNP ......... you are Gordon.
Well she came across as a bigot, he speaks the truth. This is pure spin from the right wing media. If she had a legitimate point about immigration she would just say it. The only reason to say "You can't say anything about the immigrants" is because she wanted to say something racist. - Jim, Rochdale, 28/4/2010 17:16 Not the point, is it Jim? An (un)elected Prime Minister whilst campaigning calls a life-long Labour supporter a bigot - there's the story in a nutshell. Whether you believe she's a bigot has nothing to do with it - Brown's hung himself with his own petard and in just over a week's time, I hope he's just a distant memory to me.
Brilliant. You just could'nt make it up! Gordon seems to be signed sealed and despatched. Ha Ha Ha.....
Excellent best bit so far of this election! I would have though more of him however if he's brazen it out and say that some of her comments sounded a bit bigotted. People would understand that more than the pathetic apology and "penitent sinner" rubbish. Why didn't he stand up and be counted? Then he blames an aide who will probably get a rolicking - I so want to vote labour but can't stand Gordon Brown.
Were they filming an episode of 'The Thick Of It'?
Jim of Rochdale is a good example that Brown/Labour can do no wrong. Maybe he didn't listen carefully to her words - I did. As she said , afterwards : "I asked a question that most people would ask , and he called me a bigot". Of course, Gordon Brown has many times behaved like this when he thinks that no-one is listening; this is the man who has awarded himself a "moral compass" . What a hypocrite. No-one can be perfect but this man takes the biscuit. Afterwards, he made a great show of going to see her, then coming out and said that he mis-understood her words and was a penitent. So, Mr Jim of Rochdale, afterwards Brown didn't say that she had used racist comments. Of course, the queen of spin, Mandy, had probably phoned Brown and told him what to do. Labour has lead this country into the worst financial state since World War 2 - and should have resigned months ago. moral Compass - don't make me laugh.
Sarah, Warwickshire, 28/4/2010 15:14 Are you for real? You listened to the comments made by this woman and found them to be racist!? Her words were: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're... but all these eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from? To be a racist is to use a person's race against them ie. Deny a person a job because they are black. Punch a person in the face because they are from India. Basically to treat an individual in a more negative way because of the colour of there skin. Now I saw the same report & saw no berating of Gordon Brown by this woman because he was white or because he was Scottish. Ok this lady may not be able to articulate her worry or concern in the same way mabe you or I would but racist? Don't make me laugh. You are a realist? Too late, I am already in chortle overdrive. Yes we have all made comments like these but the difference is we are not all Prime minister. - Vote Tory
Quite why there are any people left in the UK that would vote for this dreadful man defies reason. He has never listened to anyone other than those who are paid by him to tell him what he wants to hear.
I just wish all the UK could hear all the other "off record" comments from Brown's mendacious team. We are treated like dirt, so lets to the dirty on them. DO NOT vote Labour, and DO NOT vote Lib Dem because I can see the latter looking for a window of opportunity for a hung parliament. Nick Clegg is not there for the benefit of the country but himslef and his kudos. Finally please, please David Cameron let us have the REAL UP FRONT challenges we will have to face, irrespective of which party is elected; although you can perhaps detect a slight preference here!. It will be painful, but you do us and this country a disservice if you hide the extent of Brown's mismanagement. Go for it! tell it as it really is. You will gain so much respect.
Gordon IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!.
He hardly ranted did he?!! Everything is always blown out of proportion. Good on him for speaking his mind. Nice to hear some honest opinions.
Typical BBC only showed the bit about immigration, she said lot more on the whole video and she said more about the national debt.
Gordon Brown is symptomatic of the disease that is the British Labour Party. I'm convinced that he only went back to see Mrs. Duffy to save his own pathetic skin; and when he came out again, that inane grin on his stupid face would indicate that even then he was incapable of telling us the truth about what was said behind that closed door. He is not fit to hold any kind of public office.
Poor bloke, talk about an overreaction. Have none of us said something like this about someone when we've shut the door. I feel so sorry for him, he may not look the part but I think he's the most genuine of all the party leaders and my mortgage interest rate is the cheapest it's ever been. Have you all forgotten the 15% days under the conservatives. You watch it rise when Cameron or Clegg get in. I'll be voting Labour !!
They are all the same behind the voters backs, he just foolishly got caught !
What is bigoted about saying there are a lot of east Europeans here? If there were a lot of French immigrants in her area and she said that would it be bigoted or just a plain fact. Brown needs to 'get real' as he kept telling the other "leaders" (hah). Don't believe the spin. That's all politics is now with the main parties. The leaders debate is a farce. Why are no other parties represented in these debates? Oh I forgot, if you are a genuine minority you don't count in this country.
Brown announced at the start of the Election that he was ' one of a team ' and paraded his team mates behind him. Well, in just one leg of the competition, he's managed to score three own goals...... once by saying what he said. the second with his reaction on having it replayed to him on Radio 2 ( cue.. temper tantrums and testy answers) the third by the awful grinning comments to the press when he left Mrs Duffy's house. The least he could have done was to have looked sorry when he left her house. The team must be loving him for his goal-scoring abilities tonight, unfortunately for them against his own side ! I don't think he'll be collecting a Gold Cup in the Final next week.
So someone has the guts to ask GB a question. How dare they when GB has always run government on the premise that "I know best, the rest of you will do as I tell you". 15 years of tax and spend comes home to roost and GB and Labour now make hollow promises that only they can get us out of the mess we are in. Rubbish! They have to go but heaven help the next government in trying to sort out a wrecked country. As for their manifesto well we all know it isn;t worth the paper it is written on and we have all the past manifestos as examples. He will probably hope for a job on a QUANGO that Labour created but they have to go. No other country in the world spends £180 Bn on QUANGOs and only £39 Bn on defence - jobs for the boys?
I would much rather have Gordon Brown as leader than posh boy Cameron with his Tory chums !
Gillian Duffy only said what most of us are thinking!!! Good for her!!
So Gorden Brown in private thinks this Labour supporter is bigoted ! makes one wonder: -what sort of label does he place on of the rest of the Labour Party voters?
Real LABOUR at its best, Thank you for showing us what you really think when not asked. Easy votes now, your out of the running
Typical politician. At election time they pretend to be everybodies friend, whilst inside it just cuts them up to have to answer impudent questions from us peasants. It does not matter whether they are red, blue or gold they despise us, the democratic majority. They are only interested when they want our votes so they can keep their fat, lying snouts in the trough.
It does make me wonder what all politicians say in their swanky cars after they've been out condescending to meet the 'ordinary people'. Do they think they're a separate species from us? Are we some kind of mob that must be placated, pleased, and kept happy, without any respect or listening to what we're saying? No, don't bother to answer that. In this whole campaign I've had dozens of leaflets through the door but not one single candidate has had the guts to come down this street and speak to people face-to-face. They're running scared of what they might hear.
He loses my vote...not in touch with the people who pay his wages.
Keep it up Gorden you are doing a marvelous job, about the only time you have.
So now we all know what he REALLY thinks of his own voters and that, I feel, is the real point here. Why would anybody want to vote for somebody who thinks the ordinary voter is beneath them, I wonder? Er, hello, we do have the power to get rid of you, Mr Brown.
She should have told him to get lost when he turned up to apologise
That woman knew instinctively that he was putting on a face and not taking her seriously, she walked away and it was wriiten all over her face, that she had not been convinced by him at all. And was she correct then to have such a reaction? Of course, because he had not even closed the door of that car before hew started to take it out on her and his aides. He's the kid that shuts the piano lid on the other kids' fingers then when mother rushes in to see what happened, he puts on a face as though he doesn't know a thing. Cameron rthough, is even worse, mark my words.
Well done Brown - keeps up to the same standard - politically deaf and only opens his mouth to change feet.
One wonders if Brown is rude about anyone who annoys him. But not to their faces of course!!
Nothing this lady said was remotely racist or in any way bigoted. Her views as shown above were mild & pro Labour. She is obviously intelligent, but merely touching on immigration made her a bigot in Brown's eyes. He hates us. Most politicians despise us. The only half decent parties are the Conservatives & UKIP, but I accept there are good people in other parties eg Frank Field, Anne Crier. Anyone who votes for this wretched man is suicidal.
Haha, well there you have it straight from the horses mouth... despite all the talk about balanced migration, fairness and points systems - the real view of the government is that anybody who dares oppose immigration is just a bigot whose opinions are totally worthless.
If this Downing st squatter had an ounce of decency he would fall on his sword.
Absolutely disgraceful. The country is a laughing stock becaused of this fool; and did you see the smug, sickly smile on his face when he crawled from under his rock and into that poor ladys house to "apologise"!! .. He's only mortified because he was caught!
just goes to show what brown really thinks of the people of this country
"she was just a bigoted woman" That's what they think of us - they hate us, even traditional Labour voters, if we won't rejoice in our own replacement. The Tories still seem pretty soft on immgration but at least they don't seem to have such a visceral hatred for the British people.
Makes you wonder what else he's been saying...
If the most senior politician in this country can't defend his policies to a Labour supporter better than this, it proves the policies are indefensible.He also referred to her as "that woman" but she seemed a pleasant and decent lady to me.As soon as she mentioned "immigration" her concerns were dismissed and she was labelled as "bigoted". Something that the left are very quick to do. I think Brown is (in cockney slang ) "brown bread"
If that is what he thinks of his supporters, what does he think of the rest of us I wonder? Ah well, its mutual. Gorgon Frown, the Prim Monster, you are the weakest link. Goodbye!
Poor old Gordon, he just can't stop making a bad situation worse - going back to say sorry? Get a grip, man! Gillian Duffy seems to be quite typical of people who vote Labour because they always have, rather than looking at the facts. It seemed to me that all she was interested in was what she could get out of the system. In a way, I shall miss Gordon Brown, he's been a sort of replacement for the Harry Worth show and Some Mother's Do 'Ave 'Em all rolled into one - fabulous!
Re Browns remark "One million Britains in Europe", is he aware that you can't compare a country with a continent-it isnt apples and apples! Also the alledged one million Britains will be working and paying taxes . The country that my Father and Grandfathers fought for has been given away!
Gillian Duffy asked questions, millions of us want to know the answer to, he answered and then in the 'privacy,' of his car showed his true colours and insulted her and called her a bigot . It therefore follows that this is his opinion about all those who care about this country and the swing door policy of this dreadful Labour Government. Vote for them at your peril.
How can people defend this man? Labour voters you are not allowed to question your own party leader ! Without him labelling you bigots! All she said was there were too many immigrants coming from Eastern Europe (which is true, other EEC countries put blocks on the new EEC members states, the Labour government did not) then realised this was not going to wash with the general public as all what she had said had been recorded and Mrs Duffy had some decent questions to ask him. Result he was forced into saying sorry in an over the top manner purely to save his campaign nad tried ti turn it into a labour spin exercise to promote poor Gordon who can run our country but has a problem talking to people ! .
Cant wait to see him skulk off under the rock he crawled out of after the election!
He has gone and changed this country without a thought of what other people thought. What Gordon wants is what Gordon will do.
Brown has been caught out showing his true feelings of contempt for the British public, and for their legitimate concerns about immigration.
Gordon Brown is a disaster. He is not good at anything
What a nasty, two-faced man Brown is. Still, no more a liar than any of the others, Blair or Cameron or anyone in politics no matter which side they're on, because what they are mostly busy with is ending up with a whole lot of money, after they leave, like Blair, they are multi-millionaires. Look at Brown, does he do what he does as a life-calling, devoted to the people, Nope he does not, did any conservative politician offer his or her life up for the people, Nope never, they do it as a career, they're not the kind of individuals a country really needs. No matter how bad it gets for Brown, he'll leave in the end and live royally. But, meantime he will put on a mask, and insult an ordinary good citizen, in a very acutely two-faced show he put on like here, and then expect people to just believe him when he pretends to care truly about people. Cameron is the same, he has no vision. These people will end up turning Britain and the rest of Europe into a dung-heap
That's right Gordo - Stick the boot in. This lady wants answers (as we all do). All she got was abuse. There is no way your spin men can fix this situation. You have been found out. Thank God you will not be PM for much longer
The comments here are a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Brown made a mistake, but you lot of armchair fascists put a little bit of thought into moving your fingers over the keyboard. This was caused by the media - not Brown - and he has now had his apology accepted. Grow up the lot of you.
GORDON HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG. Red arrow me all you like - you are all just looking for somebody to blame the mess our world is in on, but Gordon Brown is not the right person - he's trying to fix stuff.
At long last I am beginning to enjoy this election campaine. Keep 'em coming, Gordon!
If that is his view, why apologise. He was only telling the truth!
What do you think those Eton boys would think behind the scenes if they met half of you lot in the street! It's all very well sleepwalking towards a Tory Government - just remember when the cuts come that you wanted them.
Gordon's a true politician. Why can't any of them say: 'I was caught out -- I messed up -- I apologise but I don't blame you if you're sceptical about that.' I'll tell you why -- because they have no respect for the intelligence of the electorate. To them we're just dumb.
Doug, Swayfield (16:57) "Voting Labour should now be classified as a mental illness"? You mean it hasn't already been classified as such? The whole lot of them don't have enough mental energy to outshine a single NAAFI candle. Of course, Brown is entitled to hold his own opinions about the people he meets, but to express them is in bad taste and to do so publicly is stupid and unforgivable, which sums Brown up I suppose.
"Because we have got a deficit reduction plan to cut the debt in half over the next four years." How is it possible to reduce the deficit and cut debt in half? Mr Brown is totally incompetent. As for Mr Reagan's gaff, at least he was joking. Brownm was just being his usual insidious self.
Finally the old party faithful will see this muppet for what he really is! He's a traitor to them and to his country! BAD TIMES!!!! However, as a result of this, I've now got cheek ache from smiling so much today! GOOD TIMES!!!! Mine is a genuine smile though, and not Brown's nauseating one, which as one blogger wrote, "is so forced it looks like hes going to the toilet. what an idiot". So true!!!! Happy days ...
On the one hand Brown states British Jobs for British People and then on the other he calls people bigots who sound to be zenophobic. This is a man who cannot be trusted, this is a man who sain no more boom or bust. This IS the man that has destroyed Britain. This is a man who needs to be booted out on May the 6th.
This explains why MPs are constantly out of touch with the majority of the public. Their flunkies only expose them to people who agree with them.
If GB personally visited everyone he offended/ smeared he'd be at it for the rest of his life. I'd love him to come to my house.
Any PR professional will tell you - if you have a microphone ALWAYS ALWAYS treat it as live. Where and who are the advisers of this soon-to-be-confined-to-history prime minister and his party?
He meets the "people" and is immediately in BIG TROUBLE. The real Brown unwittingly reveals himself and it is a disaster!!!
If Labour is 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' why did the Home Secretary have to wear body armour in order to venture out in South London a few years ago (even though her protection squad was with her)?
Gordon Brown's apologies seem to be more insulting than his crimes. They are: infrequent, too late, disingenuous and insult the intelligence.
Does he know what bigoted means? Because it's very clear that she isn't, and he's a fool.
I don't know of any politician at present that is worthy of my vote and that of all you HONEST tax paying citizens and those unwilling to trying and find a job won't give a damn who wins the election as they will just continue to be parasites of the system.
Who is gordon kdding he is a worried man. He might pretend he didn't mean it but he has blamed his aides for the meeting. He must be still annoyed wuth the lady he is just a worried man that he was found out. Crawling back to apologise NO the fLYING SCOTSMAN isn't kidding the lady or the public. He has been sussed out.
I would say this is the true face of New Labour. After 13 years of trying to destroy this country from the outside in, ruining the economy, ruining the education system, signing us over to the EU without a referendem, and allowing uncontrolled immigration, now we finally know what they really think of ordinary hardworking people and pensioners of this once great nation. With or without a microphone there is no excuse what Gordon Brown said about this life long Labour voter, just because she dared to ask him politely what he was going to do about his disaserous policies. It's because everything she said about pensions, debt, crime and immigration on were the kind of things Gordon didn't particularly want mentioned during his election campaign, especially on Tv. Funny though how Gordon never apologises for anything, yet went back to this womans home and grovelled for nearly an hour. How degrading for a Prime Minister.
it would appear the only thing bean ever got right was his fear of calling an election. as for him being mortified at what he had done,rubbish.....he is mortified at the world hearing from himself what a two faced individual he really is. sorry, sarah, your hero is looking less and less the part by the hour.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke!!! Tee hee hee!!!!
The only mistake he made was apologising for calling her bigoted. She obviously was as regards immigration. I'm no fan of GB but he should stand by his guns. It is difficult to explain your opinion when the receiver is doing nothing but transmitting. She was on transmit.
Will Ms Duffy be also making her apology, to the Eastern European community?
Can I add. The only thing I think Gordon is sorry about is that he got caught. He meant what he said. He did not realise his mike was on. He is not sorry he said it. He is sorry he has been found out in case it means he loses yet more votes.
Just goes to show the contempt he feels for ordinary members of the public. I hope that next week we will see the back of him and that odious Mandelson.
Re the Alan Partridge comment: Rory Bremner had already sprung to mind. I can just hear him saying "It's ridiculous.."
Gordon "two face" Brown. Tells the lady to her face what a good woman she is and seconds later says what a bigot she is. She is not a bigot for wanting to question him about an issue which is of real concern to a great many people. By his reaction it could be said that he himself is bigoted against everyday people like Gillian Duffy.He is ever ready to spout the, "Ah yes, I know there's a million immigrants have come into the UK, but there's a million gone from UK to live in the EU". He fails to add that the difference is that those who have gone from UK to EU will in the main have jobs or the means to support themselves whereas the majority of those coming to UK way have traversed a number of other wealthy EU countries to get here and we know why. £. One thing is certain, It doesn't matter one iota how much he flashes his clip-on grin, or how much spin is applied by the likes of Mandy and co, people have heard now in what utter contempt this man holds the "ordinary people"
I don't see why he has to apologise. He's entitled to his opinion. GORDON, if I still lived in the UK I'd be voting for you. That's not much use to you obviously, but good luck
I must say you couldn't make it up. It's like something out of Yes Prime Minister. But if they think that's going to get everybody voting for smarmy Dave they better think again. I've not made up my mind yet. But it's either Green or the Independent candidate. Well that's today anyway.
Go for it Gordon, problem is in yorkshire, straight speaking is just another way of saying rude speaking.... don't blame the global recession on workers from eastern europe...its worldwide...its not confinded to any nation state... - ADRIAN, DALBEATTIE, 28/4/2010 13 A small point of information, the last time I travelled through Rochdale it was not in Yorkshire,"it were ova 'ills in that theer lancasheer" Nice try to blacken 20 % of the English electorate and you have probably offended the Lancastrians too!
Ha ha you can tell the REAL brown speaking in the car, he has a different tone. folks it's all a show, doesn't matter who yuo vote for, the government always get back in.
Now will the people finally come to their senses about Gordon (Brown the bully) the mans a walking disaster.
How's that Mrs Duffy, having a point of view and being English this Clown has the audacity to call you a biggot
Lily JDP So Rochdale is a dump is it? When did you last go there? Actually there is hardly any area of this country I haven't seen, and my son lives in a decent part of London. Where he lives is OK but nothing like this area up north and the beautiful house where he was raised and he admits that. My other son lived in Kensington , the right part while at Imperial College and that was OK, but that is about it. London out of the tourist areas is shocking where everyone lives in a small flat. So don't knock the rest of the country.The exception are millionaires...are you one of those? I doubt it! Look at this woman LDP. She is 66. Her family will have toiled for generations in the mills and factories that people like you look down on. Read your history books starting with I for industrial revolution. Cut your snotty London attitude and show some humility.
He's not sorry he said it at all. How could he have misunderstood her comments? They seem very straight forward to me. He's only sorry he got caught out!
nasty nasty nasty man. He's clearly mad as the normal screening was not done. . and she was allowed to ask him perfcectly reasonable questions. Time to show him that he was never ever voted in and let's vote to get him out. I say again .. nasty nasty nasty man.
THATS WHAT BROWN THINKS OF THE VOTERS .
He'd call me bigoted if he met me 'cos I disagree with his policies.
One wonders what would have happened if he wasn't caugt out, for sure he wouldn't have gone back and apologised, this shows how shallow and uncaring he really is.
Well that just shows his true values doesn't it!
Well done Gordon it's in the bag for Kleggy now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know the *really* sad thing with all this is that the old lady is probably STILL going to end up voting Liebour, particularly after Clown's grovelling to her. To be fair to GB, I feel a lot of politicians feel the same way about a lot of the electorate, having nothing but contempt for most of us no matter what party. If cameron was really listening to the voters he'd be delivering the referendum, scrapping all carbon trading, freezing, not just limiting immigration etc etc. Like all the rest, he pushes his own agenda and hopes it is enough.
This is what Brown thinks about his loyal labour supporters, what chance does the remainder 80% of the British citizens have? He is shameless and unable to debate his supporters concerns and then turns to vile abuse!
Its becoming a regular feature - a super wheeze to make sure LIEBOUR get the media`s attention ?
Go for it Gordon, problem is in yorkshire, straight speaking is just another way of saying rude speaking.... don't blame the global recession on workers from eastern europe...its worldwide...its not confinded to any nation state... - ADRIAN, DALBEATTIE, 28/4/2010 14:01 Actually, Rochdale is in Lancashire, not Yorkshire.
We must be allowed to talk and discuss the issue of immigration without the fear of being called racist and bigotted. It IS an important issue in this election, it IS a big problem and MUST be better controlled and fair. Conservatives offer the toughest policy on immigration and is one of the reasons I will be voting for them.
Gordon, you have excelled yourself. At last, after all the roumours and finger pointing, it turns out Cameron was right about you. Taking us for fools, all this time. Three issues (a) The economy - you were the finance minister at all the G7, G20 meetings who took the credit for building the new fincial structures that led to the crash - you were the architect and said as much in Parliament - but it wasnt your fault, was it. (b) Immigration - the emigrants are retirees leaving the country because of the mess its in and the immigrants are young hopefuls willing to take low paid jobs while 8 millions britons are economicly inactive, so the net result will always be a bigger strain on health and education. But guess saying that makes me a biggot by Brown's definition. (c) Europe - I never voted for the EU. My parents voted for the EEC in the early 70s. Economic cooperation and free market is one thing, the disgrace of the EU and its institutions which we have to pay for -no way.
He only went back to apologise because he got caught. What a disgusting man. Pity she didn't refuse to see him. Also it would be courteous of him to call a lady of her age Mrs Duffy even though he doesn't have any respect for her.
Why is it that when anyone who questions immigration gets automatically labelled racist or a bigot? I guess it is the governments way of trying to curb free speech, trying to deflect any awkward questions by going on the defence...
Gordon Brown like Blair before him are used to having their own way and only meeting people who are stupid enough to agree with them,the trouble is to many people do that's why we have imbeciles like him running our country.
Gordon - and we thought only 4 footed Bovines could catch Foot-in-Mouth disease. "Pickfords Removals, booking for next thursday please" Yes the names Sarah - Sarah Brown ......
Talk about two faced. The smiley bloke waving at the cameras then calling her a bigot in private. You simply cannot trust this man. I was undecided but am 100% voting Conservative as Brown needs to go. If he'd said that about me I would have slammed the door in his face with his grovelling apology.
Ha ha, what an idiot. Good luck in the elections next week Mr Brown you big mouthed fool.
Aknan,Manchester. How you arrived at the view I am a racist 'with no understand of my species', I know not. If I gave that impression the failing is mine. However, it does not detract from the fact, that Labours views cannot be questioned. no, must not be questioned! My understanding of the species has never let me down in three languages, an effort I made as a mark of respect for the hospitality shown to me as one of Her Majesty's humble soldiers.
You know. Seriously. I'd thought after Bully-gate, and letter-gate, and every newspaper in the UK attacking Clegg for 24 hours, to try and affect people's votes, you tory lot would realise somethinf quite important. Things like this just don't really matter with voters. Someone who was planning to vote Labour, isn't going to start voting for Cameron, just because he calls some lady, ranting on about East Europeans, a bigot. In the words of Bill Clinton "it's the economy, stupid". Really a decent example, of how badly the tories are doing. The media try and hype up these things, like their election depends on it.
Gordon Grovel Grovel Govel. Did Mandleson make him return to apologise just in case they lost *Rochdale*.
He's finally done it. Gordon Broon is over. Please can we have a piece from Quentin Letts on today's pantomime?
I think he is a nasty man anyway it is all a show.We had all the talk of bullying in 10 Downing Street.No smoke without fire.He can apologise all he likes it means nothing. He is a bad tempered and not fit for the job.These Labourites think of only one thing that is lining their pockets and taxing us to the hilt.
Well he's paid for stealing a microphone. Now, about 13 years of our taxes...
If he thought the woman was a "bigot" why did he need to apologise?
If he thought the woman was a "bigot" why did he need to apologise?
If you watched the video he was terrible he didn't want to deal or listen to the lady. He was all nice at the end of the conservative and then he calls Mrs Duffy "that woman" and labels her a bigot. I don't believe there was any misunderstaning on his part! He has no respect for even labour voters !
Personally, I think the more damaging comment is "who put me with that woman". Gordon Brown, man of the people, out to meet the ordinary voter which all goes out of the window as soon as he actually meets one who has not been carefully vetted! Who said he was a control freak?
I don't think he grovelled like the headline is trying to imply. His private converstion became public and i would like to bet that there have been far worst things said from the other two. He was big enough to apologise and the woman has accepted his apology and has agreed it was a misunderstanding. Nothing to see here, move on!
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon, 28/4/2010 14:00 Olli the answer is NO !!
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon, 28/4/2010 14:00 Olli the answer is NO !!
This has been labour policy all along, anyone who disagrees with them is smeared, if it's about immigration they are called racist, don't agree with EU policy you are a "Little Englander". It now must be a two horse race, lets hope people now see through Clegg and his stupid policies
Good for Mrs Duffy! She's the woman on the Clapham Omnibus and is representative of thousands of ordinary people. Hard-working, clean and decent, and worried about her pension, the National Debt and her grandchildren being able to afford to go to university. And how did she get treated by Brown? Condescendingly and like dirt which is the way all politicians treat the public until they get found out and then its grovel time. Even their own Labour supporters!
Gillian Duffy - The new Susan Boyle of the walkabout - can't wait til she tours downunder with new X Factor, but not in your box now Gordon sequel.
"Sometimes you say things you don't mean" Well I'm saying this and I DO mean it. I hate your guts Brown and I hope you are booted out of No 10 next week. This country deserves better than a Stalinist dictator like you who has no time for democracy or other people's views.
Well done Gordon! She should count herself lucky you did not throw your mobile phone at her.
What Gordon's comments really shows is how out of touch he is with the views of the majority of the country.
Ignoring the fact Brown called this lady a bigot its revealing his first words were "that was a disaster"" What was? The fact an ordinary person ie not vetted asked questions about immigration and the economy . We are all saying the same!!!
hahahahahahahahahah the truth will out you sham, fake, useless man....take your hypocrisy and hate for the british people back to your manse, and take that mandelson with you.
Does anyone know what any of the Tory policies on anything actually are? I get the impression from the Tory press that Labour and the Liberals are fairly rubbish.
As Mr Simpson would say... "DOH!!!!"
Dont forget that during the last13 years we have all been labelled every time there is an objection to a NuLab policy. For example we have been called "Racist" if we question immigration "Zenophobic" if we doubt the EU I guess "bigot" means you don't agree with them; so that means there are a few million of us out here. Guess it would be worse with Clegg in the equation. Start the knitting;wheel out the tumbrels.....
"How not to win a General Election" by Gordon Brown. Its out in all the good bookshops nationwide.
It's quite obvious from his comments in the car that Brown didn't like being put on the spot for so long by this lady. It wasn't just about the immigration question - a subject which concerns people from all walks of life in this country (too many people living on a fairly small island). He handled her quite well and wouldn't have given her a second thought if he hadn't been caught out. (Reminds you of the lady who ignored Blair on the underground, so he invited her to No 10) I so wish the underground lady had refused the invite and that this lady had refused to let him into her house - after all he had already apologised on the phone. I would have declined both of them, after all it was only for their own damage limitation.
Gordon Brown like Blair before him are used to having their own way and only meeting people who are stupid enough to agree with them,the trouble is to many people do that's why we have imbeciles like him running our country.
So Gormless had a very dodgy looking Elvis look-a-like with him the other day. let us hope he sang "My Way" to him and it comes true. "And now the end is near and as I face the final curtain"
Gordon Brown like Blair before him are used to having their own way and only meeting people who are stupid enough to agree with them,the trouble is to many people do that's why we have imbeciles like him running our country.
BUSTED! This is what Gordon Brown thinks of his population/country - lesser than him and an inconvenience. Good bye Mr Brown.
The Guy who left the radio mike on! gets my vote
Sue, aged 26, politics and media arts graduate, looking for opportunities in shelf stacking, burger flipping industries. For full CV contact No.10 press office, reference from previous boss unlikely due to unfortunate mishap.
I've met some bigots in my time and Mrs. Duffy doesn't sound or appear like one to me. The curse of Brown strikes again.
If I wanted to emigrate to Australia I would have to prove I could support myself have £200,000 in the bank and a clean health check Why do we not do the same For Brown to say they use the same rules as Australia is compleat nonsense no way would Australia let you in to their country if they thought you and your dependence would be a burden to their country and why should they
The only hope that Gordon Brown has of staying at No. 10 is if he baracades himself in and changes the locks on May 7th, but it wont take long for that copper on the door to sort it out.
' Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.'
"....A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views....." - S. Freud, Belfast, 28/4/2010 16:05 " refuses to accept different views"....... ergo a 'bigot'. Doesn't that description fit the Labour Party and Gordon Brown in particular rather well. Also consider this; Strongly in favour of hanging.......... must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of NOT hanging............ by the definition, must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of stopping immigration.......must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of free and uncontrolled immigration........... by the definition, must be a bigot. Gordon Brown attempted to justify immigration by saying many British citizens work and live in Europe. Well, that's their business and their risk and it's also entirely the business of other countries citizens to complain about British immigrants if they want to. ItÂ’s a numbers game and Brown knows it.
May 1st 1997 - April 28th 2010 (Dead Roses Everwhere)
Oh dearie me. The wheels are coming off the wagon for real now. Bye bye Gordon. You are the weakest link.
For years Zanu Labour have refused to debate immigration calling anyonewho raised the subject a racist.
Better get that removal van organised Gordon, just like the MP's caught out in the lobbying affair, only tell the truth when you think no one can hear you. Does someone who holds 'ordinary people' in contempt qualify as a bigot?
True colurs showing through here and about time this lot was shown for what they truly are ....typical of a bunch of bullies who can't take critiscism have been in power for too long and think they can walk all over people! The PM also mentioned in the car who was responsible for putting him & Mrs Duffy together ... I feel sorry for her now as she'll be in for a behind the scenes rollockin of her life but her only consilation is GB will be stood behind her in the dole que on May 7th!!
Well, speaking as a bigot, I know where my votes going.
A real person, a real Labour Voter who is NOT happy with Labours policies. And how does he react? He insults her! Sums up Labours attitude of the general population of this country. They are nothing but a self serving party with no interest what so ever for the people of this country.
I think that this has been blown way out of proportion. It's a shame that it didn't happen to Cameron or Clegg and that's not me being biased to a particular party. I would just like to see how people would have reacted then. I think that I have an idea for Cameron but not Clegg.
So if you ask about immigration you are a Bigot?
Same old 'Eastern European' rubbish. My wife is from Slovakia which many people in their ignorance call Eastern Europe (actually Central Europe), and she has been here for 12 years, never claiming a penny in benefits, always working hard, and the same is true for the vast number of her compatriots here. This has made me even more likely to vote Labour as I am sick and tired of this constant bigotry.
Brown is finally let loose amongst normal human beings and he shows himself to be what we all knew anyway. He's not a nice person, and his opinions of the voters is THEY are not worthy of HIM. This was followed by the arh puppet master Meddleson comes out and insults all our intelligences with his absurd defence of Brown. This country deserves almost anyone other than these creeps running the country. Roll on the election.
Precisely which part of the conversation did GB not understand? It all seemed pretty clear to me, she was simply asking where all the Eastern European immigrants are coming from. If this is what he thinks of the Labour Party's core voters, then God help the rest of them. I heard Tom Bradby on ITV describe his conversation as "catastrophic" and I agree with him. Peter Mandelson's outpourings saying that Gordon doesn't think like this in public or private are an act of desperation - he can't really think anyone who has seen this clip will believe it - can he?! Interesting to hear the PM describe his conversation with a pensioner who has voted Labour all her life as "difficult" - and he is asking the electorate to believe that he can save us all from financial ruin. Gordon and his team would be far better to spend the next week packing up their belongings in Number 10, rather than risk letting him open his mouth again.
Don't worry Gillian. He hasn't spoken to me yet. I re-invented the word bigot. But alas, he won't be knocking at my door - I couldn't be that lucky....
So funny - just like The Thick of It - what would Malcolm Tucker say!
If you dare even suggest that LIEbour (and the communists hidden in Liebour) have destroyed this country through mass uncontrolled immigration,given millions of british jobs to foreigners and left us with an annual welfare bill of £35 billion a year for immigrants.Then you are a bigot and a racist!( according to Gordo and the leftys).How dare this Lady who has work all her life and paid taxes criticise Gordo and LIEbour!
A pure New Labour moment ! There is nothing else to say
Leave Gordon alone, he has apologised! What more do you want? He is dedicated to even you Daily Mail readers, he is fanatically dedicated to getting this country out of the financial mess that was not caused by him! Everyone makes gaffes I bet Cameron says lots of things about peoples when the microphone goes off.
A conservative candidate was sacked for commenting about gay people on an e-mail. Is that any worse that what Brown has done today, his comment was personal and very insulting to a lady who wasn't at all rude to him. Why then isn't he sacked by the labour party ?? I suppose we will have to wait until all the voters sack him next week. Can 't come soon enough, the mans an embarrassment.
Problem is, all three major political parties are PRO-EU, and that means NO border controls. Will anyone ever just say, 'Right, we're leaving the EU...' ? No ifs, buts, just definitely leaving. Sure fire vote-winner for the majority of people in the UK.
I hate Gordon Brown and all that he stands for, BUT - this guy was venting in what he thought was privacy. No-one deserves to be attacked or bombarded with questions like that in the middle of the street. I work for a well known company that has had bad press recently, if anyone, even my family spoke to me about my company in such an agressive manner like that i would tell them to get stuffed!
'..... we have done the free eye tests, ' You've done what Gordon ....... I've just had to pay for mine. Btw, Gordon ..... I get a pension of £714 a year, which I paid into for nearly 20 years, and you take nearly £90 tax out of it .......................... and Cherie Blair is worried she'll run out of money - after all they've only got £25m to surviv on. I don't think 'sorry' is sufficient, Gordon ........... you said it in the car, so you must have meant it. It's too late chucks ... we won't forget it.
Mr Brown. How on earth can you accuse an elderly lady of being a bigot for merely stating her concern regarding the level of immigration? I think you will find if you get out and about a bit more that there are many people in this country who share this lady's view and are like this lady decent, fair minded people. I'm afraid Dave as he likes to be known by has failed to convince me, work for another year before receiving your old age pension, thanks a bunch Dave. As for Mr Clegg, smooth talk but hopefully people will see through the gloss. Who to vote for, I really don't know. Little wonder so many Brits leave these shores.
We all know exactly what Gordon and the labour party think of the electorate. Just look back to the contempt shown after the 2005 promise of a referendum on the EU Constitution/Treay of Lisbon.
This has been an interesting week in which our leading politicians have revealed to us the contempt in which they hold the people of this country. Yes, Gordon Brown showed his true feelings when he attacked this old lady because she expressed opinions which he hated but which many of us share. But also take a look at Nick Clegg who described anyone who did not share his views on Global Warming with a term questioning their sanity. Mr. Clegg clearly doesn't check his facts before speaking: recent polls have shown that about 65% of British people don't believe that mankind's carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for Climate Change. Whether or not this old lady is a bigot is debatable. But we certainly have a couple of very bigoted politicians here.
He should not have said what he did. At least he had the guts to apologise quickly and took the blame himself and didn't hide behind someone else, he can do no more. The ability to apologise takes some doing in his position so I think he may go up in people's opinion
This is one of those instances when the jury cannot disregard! It just reinforces what we have always known what the Liebour Leader really thinks of us!
None of u are going to live or work under the same umbrella as Brown. Why are you bothered if he has an ago or a PR problem? Think how any of the past or present world leaders will score under the same scenario. Judge him by his governence, his public service and his contribution in changing the society around you. If you think he and his party has done well and/or will do better than the tories, vote for him, or else go for Clegg.
"Gordon goes back to grovel in person " I doubt very much that he groveled. There was no need for him to do that. He was being polite. Why always look for the bad side or the dark side? I have voted every year since leaving the Royal Navy in 1956, but will be voting Labour for the first time on the 6th of next month. Or local Tory is of Italian descent; The Lib Dem was born in Tanganya of an Indian Father: The UKIP candidate is 79-years old and should be tending his garden; I will certainly NOT vote SNP; That leaves Labour.
First we have 'Come Dancing' Mandleson, then we have Brown & Elvis, and now a solo by Brown the clown, where will it all end, Soon I hope, I shall miss Gordon and his magic smile, it will be a good miss. byeeeee Gordon !!!!!
He's finished ! And 13 years too late !!
It was what he was thinking though and he'll never change his mind even though he apologised. He's an arrogant loser.
Eastern Europeans are not from a different race, they are white European's, therefore Mrs Duffy cannot be called a racist. Also many non-white British people are worried about immigration levels, as it effects everyone's quality of life. Brown is trying to avoid the immigration issue by calling everyone who question's it a bigot or racist.
Well??? What did SHE say??? Either gives us the whole story or don't bother at all! - Stevie, Liverpool, UK, 28/4/2010 12:41 It doesn't matter what she said, it speaks volume about the contempt that Brown has for the electorate.
"'They have chosen to play my private conversation with the person who was in the car with me" So, nothing is private under labours new laws. Labour started today by stating that ordinary peoples privacy is unimportant and cctv and surveillance of individuals is necessary to prevent "crime"..
So Mr Brown's moral compass veers from congenial and and compassionate in public to sneering and supercilious in private. My only regret is that the proof of this has involved distress and hurt for Mrs Duffy.
Labour are no longer the party of the working classes. They've morphed into something else altogether and it's excruciating to witness the mess. I will be voting Tory on May 6th for the first time in my life.
He is the bigot, we are all worried about losing our homes and jobs, there are millions out of work and a life supporting Labour women simply asks what everyone else is thinking? He admits that he does not listen and appears to make it up as he goes along - and we wonder why our Economy collapsed! Start packing and take that arrogant fraudulent Lord Mandelson with you.
I would say he is a bully in his in way of saying sorry is it intimatation. ( a whole hour in the poor lady house) I believe he did not misunderstand her and whht she said about immigration was not bigotted and this was only one of many things she said, which most people would like the answers to . If this is how he treats labour voters I dread to think what he would say about anyone who really challenges him on his views & performance! It was sickening to see him come out of her house calling her Gillian., and trying to say sorry purely because he has to ! His whole campaign has been staged when meeting the public ! And the first time someone broke the wall of steel around him that how he reacts ! Disgrageful !!
OH PLEASE don't insult our intelligence saying you misunderstood. Ten seconds after telling her she was a good women your Jeckyll and Hyde character switches and you call her a bigot. This is a damage limitation apology and and we all know it, some people will fall for for it but now the poor woman is surrounded by the Labour machine. She is probably confused enough as it is and your controlling aides will try and make sure she comes up with the right answers. As for the sarcastic comments about her knowledge of Europe you should be ashamed. She is just like many older people who are worried at the changes they are seeing. Deriding her just shows your mentality. We all make mistakes but this IS WHAT HE THOUGHT you can't APOLOGISE FOR THAT.
Voting Labour should now be classified as a mental illness. - Doug, Swayfield, 28/4/2010 16:57 I couldn't agree more, but I just noticed on the BBC News website, one voter said that the events of this afternoon had encouraged him to vote for Gordon Brown, you can't credit it can you?
Well she came across as a bigot, he speaks the truth. This is pure spin from the right wing media. If she had a legitimate point about immigration she would just say it. The only reason to say "You can't say anything about the immigrants" is because she wanted to say something racist.
How's the humble pie gordon.
Good, he's shot himself in the foot!! And stop patronising Mrs Duffy.
watch out I think labour spin office are working hard on this board for damage limitation, gormless mcbroon has gone and let slip what he really thinks of us and they are posting like fury to make it look better for him
Well done Gordon - you've put the final nail in your own coffin! Please bow out gracefully next Friday. You've been trying to hide the true you for a while now with that supercilious grin on your face - now we've seen the real Gordon at last! Roll on Thursday! Instead of "Saving the World" - Please Save Our Country!
Unfortunately Gillian Duffy is the epitome of the Labour voter, you know the type "I've voted Labour for over 50 years.......' I hope now she understands that her party cares nothing for her or her ilk, just her vote. The only crumb of comfort for Ms Duffy is that what Mr Brown said behind the scenes is what he MEANT.
I don't rate Brown's advisers - this is becoming a fiasco. I can understand him calling her a bigot - he should have just left it there. What was going round to the woman's house supposed to achieve? That was only ever going to make him look desperate. Sue Nye's got a lot to answer for!
Is Brown the man we want with his finger on the fire button for nuclear weapons. The man is an idiot.
Well lets see.......Brown has been lying to us and patronising us for 13 years and how many elections have they won?! So the mask slips now and again. Everybody should have realised long ago what a smug, arrogant, deceitful, incompetent, arrogant and hypocritical crowd New Labour has been - right from the beginning when Tony said that most people who knew him thought he was a pretty straight kind of guy! The leadership sets the ethos of the organisation. If the British people haven't figured out New Labour by now they never will and it is time for us to leave.
I wonder how Mandelson would have reacted if Clegg or Cameron had committed this gaff? Gordon Brown has a history of writing off people, who do not agree with him. That is one of the reasons why we are in this financial mess. Intellectually Gordon thinks he is superior, and it shows in his disdain for people who do not agree with him. At the moment, that about 90% of the UK population
Yes i am the son on manse, brought up in the right way, with the right principles, how to treat people blah blah blah...... Sadly this person is first minister to the Queen, and time after times disgraces this great post with his foul behaviour.
I've just perused the red arrowed comments. Imagine my surprise when I found there are still people out there trying to defend Gordon Brown, with I might add, poor logic. Talk about sheep, talk about deluded, I'll bet they'll still vote Labour as well.
That Ronald Regan gaffe is hillarious - now in hindsight of course! Don't forget Prince Charles slagging Nicolas Witchell off whilst he was skiing, that was brilliant. Hahaaa
Has Gordon had a botox implant to achieve that fixed grin on his face ?
so he doesn't understand the 'common' people ?
Absolutely delighted that this has happened. Hopefully it has helped to kill off any chance Labour have of getting back into power. Go Gordon - go and shoot yourself in the foot a few more times just to make double sure you get kicked out of number 10!
This election, more than any we have had in the past, is media based. This episode clearly demonstrates how staged these meetings with the public are. The microphone that Gordon Brown was wearing is all part of the process of media exploitation and the fact that he has demonstrated his incompetence to have vented his real thoughts while still wearing it speaks volumes for whether he is the right man to lead the country. Whilst it could be argued that this was prying on a private conversation, it has to be accepted that for public figures such as Gordon Brown the right to privacy has been forfeited, especially when he was voluntarily wearing a microphone!
Listening to the video report was like something out of a comedy. Gordon Brown could always get work after May 6 as the next Alan Partdirdge! Wo Ho!
It's funny that the readers and commenters of this newspaper think that people should cast their votes based on policy rather than personality when Nick Clegg thrashes Cameron in a debate. But they think personality counts for everything when Gordon makes another of his, now infamous, gaffes. But, when push comes to shove, policies or personality, David Donald Cameron is going to lose out one way or the other. - Dave, Edinburgh, Uk, 28/4/2010 16:34 What a pathetic excuse you make for Gordon Brown, while having a dig at David Cameron. It's not about personality this time, although it never should be, it's about being so two faced to a woman who was a life long Labour voter who had dared to stray into his nice little set up, meeting so called ordinary people. Mrs Duffy only asked questions most of us would like to get near enough to ask, and just because she was 'ordinary' and dared to do it on TV this is how Gordon reacts behind the fake smiles. Disgraceful!
The loyal tribe would still make excuses for this moron, even if he said to their faces I Hate The Sight Of You All. its like Jonesville with this lot,the leader can say, or do no wrong.
Brilliant!!! I cant wait until may 6th let get this idiot out!!! One thing I will say though is I cannot understand the mentality of people who vote Labour just because they have always voted labour. My Grandad was a labour man and I used to be a union shop steward but there is no way on this earth I would vote labour. Gordon brown ruined my final salary pension I will never forgive him for that!!!
At last! something that wiped that painted on smile off his face!!!
This says so much. First the man is two faced and to my mind makes him untrustworthy, second he is not open for freedom of speech that doesnt agree with him, third its clear he likes to control completely the people around him to protect himself (god save Sue whoever she is), four his is completely ignorant to deride one of his long standing voters who has an issue with policies and outcome and has the courage to discuss it with him - yes Mr Brown discuss, she did not throw an egg or heckle you she discussed it like an adult. If you cannot defend/justify your policies with dignity to my mind you deserve absolutely no-ones vote. With this behaviour what can we expect from the rest of his cabinet? Oh yes I forgot they resign and two weeks later relocate to a prime educational area so they can educate their 3 daughters in a better way the majority of the paying voters cannot OR they just fiddle their expenses!!
Why do I get the feeling that there seems to be more support for Brown on these pages from our glorious capital 'Londonistan' than anywhere else! Who me a bigot no never,just been brought up to be proud of my country thats all,and don't like what Nu-Liebor have turned it into! By the way Bob Roberts,HA HA HA HA I say!
"....A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views....." - S. Freud, Belfast, 28/4/2010 16:05 " refuses to accept different views"....... ergo a 'bigot'. Doesn't that description fit the Labour Party and Gordon Brown in particular rather well. Also consider this; Strongly in favour of hanging.......... must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of NOT hanging............ by the definition, must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of stopping immigration.......must be a bigot. Strongly in favour of free and uncontrolled immigration........... by the definition, must be a bigot. Gordon Brown attempted to justify immigration by saying many British citizens work and live in Europe. Well, that's THEIR business and THEIR risk and it's also entirely the business of other country's citizens to complain about British immigrants if THEY want to. It's a numbers game and Brown knows it.
Oh sorry this brave lovely lady dosn't have a cut glass accent and the right level of sophistication when delivering her very valid points and therefore she is ignorant, rascist and a bigot. Gorden Brown's 'instant' reaction to the majority of us 'little people' then.
Perfectly illustrates how cynical and arrogant our political class has become. The recording of Brown's scathing dismissal of Mrs Duffy shows that he despises the very people he hopes will vote to keep him in office! It's hardly surprising that a lady who is old enough to remember what Britain was like before our politicians imposed mass immigration and 'multiculturalism' on us might have some doubts about what the scale of Labour's colossal immigration program might mean for the country's future. She has a daughter and grandchildren, after all. Why shouldn't she be allowed to speak up? For a masterclass in real bigotry, read the ravings of the Britain-hating left-wing loons on this comment thread. 'Missy' (Midlands) and 'Ellie' (Glasgow), for example. Plain pathological hatred of the country that they live in. Horrible stuff.
Rochdale is a dump, it's full of ignorant types like that old woman. Most of the people there are only worried about immigration because it means less welfare money for them. London is sick of subsidising the North. Brown should not have had to grovel to her.
Of course he's mortified, he's been caught saying what he really thinks of Labour voters, actually this is probably what most of the cabinet think of their supporters. It will be interesting to see what happens to the opinion poll in the ones after this gaffe.
Eric Campbell of Harrogate: If you want to call a Labour supporter "an ignorant idiot" who am I to argue with you?
Oh dearie me. The wheels are coming off the wagon for real now. Bye bye Gordon. You are the weakest link.
Gordon Brown, a man who was never voted into office, who managed to worsen the state of our country's economy, who lied about spending policy and then stubbornly refuses to acknowledge his wrongdoings, is now accusing an innocent old lady of bigotry... OH, THE IRONY!
1 million people coming to the (small) British Isles vs. 1 million UK Citizens dispersed throughout the whole EU hmmmm. Am I missing something? If the 1 million people EU citizens only replace the 1 million UK citizens who left - why are the health/housing/schooling infrastructures struggling to cope? Someone, somewhere is telling porky pies.
Neil, London, 28/4/2010 16:54 ..because, like you, they are stupid? Or in the case of poor Mrs Duffy and millions of others, just totally taken for a ride by a party that doesn't care what the ordinary person wants. These are the people that used to vote Labour without thinking about it. I hope this makes them think.
She also appears to be someone - never got into serious debt other than her mortgage, saved and worked all her life, brought up a family, sense of decency and fair play - who is suffering under Brown's policy of supporting the feckless house price rampers and punishing the prudent saver with 0% interest rates.
He was correct in his assessment of the lady. Blame to sky for snooping: GB should be allowed to talk freely in private. And his car should be private.
Vote Gillian Duffy for Prime Minister
I was watching this whole episode as the story broke. Mrs Duffy approached Gordon Brown asking about the deficit, tax on pensions and benefit culture. During the several minutes she spoke to GB she made one comment about immigration, yet that has been ceased upon to justify our Prime Minister's Bigot comment. The conversation they had was not about immigration at all. It barely featured in the conversation. I notice the BBC are being very selective with which bits they are showing in the repeate news bulitens now.
shades of monty pythons holy grail.BLOODY PEASANTS -OOPS
It has been stated that Brits immigrate to other countries and others immigrate to the UK. If we go to another country we have to prove that we can support ourselves or we don't get in. We cannot claim benefits but others come into our country and get benefits and free housing. We must all live by the same rules. I must be a bigot because clown Brown does not agree with me.
He is human after all!!! I think its hilarious.
As my thirteen year old daughter pointed out he is the bigot. Not this lady who only stated her views and asked him sensible questions ! Definition of a bigot is a prejuiced and intorelant person .
@Michael, London: Okay, I don't vote labour and by no means love Gordan, but I think it's unfair to say that because he complained he isn't interested in her view, in my opinion he said 'that was a disaster' because she raise some very good points about h
Bemused from Yorkshire says we should take DM reportage of this story with a pinch of salt. I disagree with this person. The fact is Gordy is a public figure & is supposed to represent us therefore I am glad DM reported his off the cuff remarks. Gordy may think his comments should not have been broadcast but I am really glad that this woman from Rochdale now knows what Gordy thought about her questions. It must be an eye opener for her as Gordy humiliated her. At least she now knows what a terrible mistake she would have made had she voted Nuliebor however, I hope she is not discouraged from voting altogether & casts her vote for another party preferably conservative. By the way, I'm from Accrington & if I were Cameron I would visit Rochdale like a shot & all the towns nearby including Accrington. Cameron should also visit Blackburn which is represented by Jack Straw & Burnley.
Irrespective of whether you agree with the woman's comments or not, and putting her phrasing aside, Gordon Brown's comments are indicative of the Labour party's view on immigration in this country. They don't care what people think, they engineered immigration to suit themselves and now when people question them, they are classed as bigots. British people are concerned about immigration, and rightly so, but our voices will NEVER be heard whilst a Labour government is in power. If you love this country and want jobs for British workers then I urge you not to vote Labour, no, I beg you not to vote Labour because I can't take another day of their incompetence and hatred for my once great country. And don't think voting Lib Dem will solve the problem because it won't, read their manifesto, they are scarier than Labour.
Labour supporters can't seriously spin this as anything positive. Unless they are truly braindead. In just a few words, Gordon Brown has told me that 1. If your views don't agree with the labour left, you are a bigot 2. That it was someone else's fault that he was 'put with that woman' 3. That it is the labour party policy to stage manage their entire campaign to suppress the views of 'ordinary' voters and only show those who can be expected to nod politely and shake hands. I've said it before, and I maintain it to be true; the most bigoted people I've ever met are those from the far left. If you don't agree with them, you are condemned as unprogressive, bigoted and narrow minded. Talk about hypocritical. - Anne, Wales, 28/4/2010 16:33 The best post on here and all you need to know about the left.
Let those of you who have never made a mistake stand up........ Though so Get back in your boxes, you are what is wrong with the UK!
So this is how much Brown 'cares' - agree with me or I'll call you a bigot. Right, message understood, I am a bigot. PS You are an idiot who has about as much feeling and concern for the voters of this country as our cat (I prefer thh cat any day, and it would probably make a better politician than you!).
Such an arrogant man
Mrs Duffy asked very good questions. She should be on the debate show. Well done Mrs Duffy!
Y'cannot retrieve a thrown stone!!
So a man under intense pressure .............. to express a brief private comment? . - John, London, 28/4/2010 13:02 And he has Britain's Nuclear weapons under he control. That makes me feel really safe if that is how he reacts to one of his one supporters. Heaven help us is the Russians or someone else upsets him.
The main concern with immigration is not the individuals who come in and take jobs - it's the massive influx of individuals who come to this country (both legally and illegally) and go straight onto benfits." Sorry to point this out but you cant go straight on to benefits - not even if you are UK born and have been living abroad. - SimonJeffries Please tell me where all these people who are being held in detention centres or wherever are getting their money to live. Dont see many starving to death. Must be getting some benefit from somewhere, unless of course they are bringing all their wealth with them.
A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views VOTE LABOUR! - S. Freud, Belfast, 28/4/2010 16:05 You have just described Gordon Brown!
I bet Gillian Murphy didn't think she was going to be the most famous woman in Britain when she woke up this morning.
Frankly, from the transcript, she sounds pretty ridiculous, opinionated - but without the knowledge to back it up. For instance overseas students have to pay a lot more for their tuition than British students, but she seems to be implying that they get it for free whereas Brits have to pay, which isn't the case at all. If anything foreign students are subsidising the rest them! Oh, and the Eastern Europeans come from Eastern Europe... Gord went up in my estimation for a moment there. Shame he had to spoil it all by aplogising to her.
Well what do expect from this clown, he got in on the back of Blair, told lies at the start, told all through term, and is still telling lies even now, mind you, for a government that all tell lies, cheats, fiddles, are totally arrogant, and have as much idea of 'real' life as Martian, he is probably the best guy to lead this separate species called a government
"I think I might vote Labour now - B Cave, Manchester, 28/4/2010 16:07" Just watch this persons attitude change if an immigrant replaces them at work and they lose their house but can't get another one because immigrants are ahead in the queue, their kids can't get in a school because it is full of immigrant kids who have only been here a few weeks, can't get a life saving op because immigrants come first... NOTE: People like B Cave only say such things because so far they have been sheltered from the problems, it hasn't effected them yet!!! Probably a Lib/dem voter now turned labour because we on the DM site are bullying poor Gordon!!! B Cave. Vote Nu Labour then. They will still LOSE!!!!
ps I was listening to a political analyst who said one thing would be said by mistake that would swing the election...................I hope to hell it does, but bear in mind LIBS are worse and so are the conseratives, they want cheap labour for there rich friends to get richer......Traitors the lot!
Another Nail in ya coffin Mr. Brooon ?. I hope so.
Mmmm, a million British people living in the whole of Europe - one million Europeans living just in tiny old Britain, not to mention immigration from all over the world helping to cram this country tight. Funny how when French or Spainish people complain about the British Ex-Pat communities then they are not branded Bigots or Racists. Yet when a Brit dares to raise concern about mass immigration into this country she is labelled ignorant and bigoted. The comments from Buffoon Brown the Marxist Clown show what they really think of the white working class who are genuinely concerned their way of life is being trampled on...........
What a joker - he is only sorry that he was caught out and not sorry for what he said. Gordon , please start to pack your bags ready to leave No 10 next Friday. You will not be forgotten quickly due to the complete mess you have made of this Country's finances. What happened to "No more boom and bust" ?
Brown duffed up: spin has been used to cultivate an acceptable image of Brown for the electorate. What we saw was pure Brown and it was unpleasant and unworthy of a UK Prime Minister. A genuine conviction politician would have attempted to put his arguments to the woman, not to have been insincere and sycophantic, and asking her about her family etc. It was a sham. The contempt with which he holds the views of the electorate was plain to see, as was the contempt for anyone who gets in his way. Yes he was sorry, but primarily because he was found out and his true self revealed. Brown et al have developed policies primarily aimed at keeping themselves in power, revealed by Neather: large numbers of immigrants, benefit dependent, with no particular allegiance to the UK, who would continue to vote for the Labour party that succoured them. Mrs D was challenging the immigration policy which is critical to Labour holding onto power. She represented a nuisance and was dealt with as such
Message to GB, look up the definition of bigot, then think along the lines of "Kettle Black and Pot". Is this what you'd expect from a ministers son ?
If Gillian Duffy had been polite, allowed him to complete a sentence and had stopped firing clichés at him, perhaps he wouldn't have retorted? Also, leave the poor bloke alone. He was just blowing off some steam, as I'm sure we all do when we have private moments at work.
Poor old Gordy. Now all we need is a gaffe from Cameron or Osbourne and it's in the bag for Clegg. Electoral reform and a massive dose of humble pie for the agenda-driven right-wing media all round please!
Voting Labour should now be classified as a mental illness.
Gordon Brown: That was a disaster...should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? Proof, as if it were needed that Mr Brown is pure ego who doesn't feel he shuold answer to the "little people". He's forgotten who he is representing and ploughs ahead with his own ideas without giving a thought to what the people of this country want and need. The only real shock here is that Mrs Duffy was still going to blindly vote labour until this happened. People need to wake up, read the manifestos and educate themselves before they vote. Sometimes I really do despair at the actions of some members of the public!
What a load of toffee I heard on TV. Somebody (I think it was Lord Meddlesome) trying to defend Brown said that you say things in private that you donÂ’t really mean. Well, in my experience, you are more likely to say things in private that you DO mean. In the privacy of my home, speaking to my husband, I say things that I feel but that I would not dream of saying in public.
Of course Gordon Brown is mortified, he has just confirmed our suspicions of his true beliefs.
I heard it and loved it!! Poor old Gordie just can't get it right. I'd have more respect for him if he'd let it go and hadn't apologised. If this is the worst that ever happens to her she'll be lucky. She should have had a good laugh .. end of.
I hope she has a good family and friends around her as the press are going to pester her and all the unwanted attention she is going to get will be enormous. She was clearly upset by the remark. He on the other hand was only upset he got caught out and the appearance of Mandelson literally minutes later to defend him says all you need to know. No one can honestly think about voting for this guy now.
Well done 'SKY' for broadcasting those remarks from Brown; just goes to show what he thinks of all the people he talks to - nothing!! He's only saying things he thinks we want to hear but he's obviously so thick that he doesn't realise that we Brits are not as stupid as he thinks. After all these years he really expects us to believe what he is saying now?????? After selling off our gold reserves when Chancellor, digging the Banks out of the hole they themselves dug, when PM, promising us a Referendum on Europe (which we didn't get as he chose to ignore the people he's working for - namely the public) and we're supposed to believe he's telling he truth now? He really is a deluded man. That gaffe (as they're calling it) made a lot of people sit up and take note i'm sure. If that's what he's saying about one woman who always voted Labour, he's expecting he sway the rest of us.. As usual he has his head in the sand and his foot in his mouth.
Read the full transcript before you comment. Her comments were bigoted. Everything else he said made perfect sense. Just for one day DM try and be even slightly unbiased. Most of you people are just using this as a chance to attack Labour. You will not wake up on Friday with Cameron running the country trust me. Not a chance. If the Labour Party are so bad why are the Tories still only a couple of points ahead in the polls?.
Im not a Labour supporter and Gordon Brown is someone who I dislike immensely but this isn't even a story. So he makes a comment about someone who has irritated the hell out of him and behind closed doors, unfortunately, it was heard by all . We all do the same thing everyday. The media have done their usual and made a story out of nothing and the sad thing is that those of you with a complete hatred for him have decided he is guilty. Of what I'm not sure ! By all means complain about him for his handling of this country but to have a go at someone for doing something we all do, my answer to that is get a life !
This remark by Brown comes as no surprise. More working class people are beginning to realize the contempt NLab hold for the working class of this country. As so far as NLab are concerned the working class are considered an embarrassment. I hope the working class will send their feelings to Brown and vote out the anti working class party that is NLab at this forthcoming election.
Showing his true colours, no good complaining about the immigration problem to him then. What a buffoon
The woman was ranty and very ignorant, GB shouldn't have apologised. I am still voting for Clegg though.
I've seen much worse said about Mr Brown on these comment boards - and no one here has the guts to apologise !! - cp, Kent Europe, 28/4/2010 16:31 -------------------------- And most would happily say the same things to his face - if only he had the guts to face the real people of this country
Do we all remember Brown outside Downing Street, on his promotion to PM 2007, "I will listen to the people of the country" , Last week on the 2nd debate he said "I will listen to what the people of the country have to say" !!!! enough said.
And the final nail is hammered into the "new" Labour coffin. Just seen the odious Mandelson trying to look sincere and attempting to put some kind of positive spin on this. Even this vile creature surely knows the game is up. Still, only 9 days to go Gordon. Has Sarah booked pickfords removals yet ?. They do get awfully busy this time of year.
Well he shouldn't have said it but he did. But this is not the reason why he shouldn't win the election. We are so preoccupied with PR exercises that politics has lost its sense of purpose and direction.
This just proves how out of touch Gordon really is with the ordinary people of this country. He's really shot himself in the foot, but I'm not sorry because it's brought things out into the open. Just when I thought the government had got past this silly stage of shutting everyone up by branding anyone who disagrees with uncontrolled immigration "racist". It's not about bigotry, or racism for that matter, it's about numbers: jobs, housing, health, education, the infrastructure. Common sense, in short. Well said Mrs Duffy.
Hopw she counted the change she had in her purse when he left. He seems intent on taking as much money as he can off people who can less afford it.
Whether the pensioner is a bigot or not is neither here nor there. Whether she should accept Brown's apology or not, is neither here nor there, either. What IS important is that at the time he uttered the insult, that is WHAT HE BELIEVED TO BE TRUE about the pensioner, and had his microphone been off, would have continued to believe that even now! Only because his microphone was left on, he's immediately issued an apology, with Mandelson chipping in saying, Brown didn't mean to say it at all, it was a mistake. Far, far, far, better to not lie to us and admit, something along the lines of, "Well, yes, I did say it, I meant it at the time, but due to the subsequent distress caused to the lady I am now deeply sorry I caused her to feel like that, and therefore apologise profusely." Then the argument would be: Are politicians allowed to think uncharitable thoughts out loud about those they meet, or are they to love us all on sight, no matter what rubbish we spout ourselves?
No further proof needed that the man is a 2 faced liar. And whats with that stupid grin? "We now get it on immigration". No you don't Gordon, you just tell us you do. Rest assured if they get anywhere near power in May normal service will be resumed and the flood gates will be open more than ever.
Poor woman, forty minutes with Broon. That should put anyone else off daring to ask any awkward questions.
What an arrogant man, whatÂ’s with the stupid smile?
Vote brown and his party and what do you get ? Insults galore. . This country, for better or worse needs a breath of fresh air running thought it and the House of Commons. The faster brown and his cronies are relegated to be behind the Lib Dems the better for all
If you stand very still you can feel the force of all the 'tories doing a collective fist pump of joy.
If he thought she was a bigot he should stand by it like a man.O.K.apologise for making it public but dont apologise for his honest opinion. To grovel like that is demeaning and embarassing .You can bet Winston Churchill would have got out of that and gained respect
I am no fan of Gordon Brown but he has every right to his opinion of that woman. He should have stood by his comment and not scurried over there to apologise. I'd have really admired his backbone if he'd announced "I said it because I think her opinion is bigoted" and refusing to comment any further. The gran in question seems like a typical bored radio phone-in caller, full of cliched opinions with very little intellectual understanding of what she is saying. "ooh those foreigners....".
How is it that all of Browns defenders don't know what a bigot is? Brown obviously is supported by illiterates and what Spike Milligan once referred to as "Incomprehensives"!
What do you expect from a dictator, no respect for the people.... Typical Brown thinks only he and only he has all the answer and is always right and everyone is a bigot.
As many of us have known for a long time, this clown would not know how to make gravy if you gave him some boiling water and a packet of Bisto granules. We've had several items of evidence but this is the biggest and the timing is hilarious!!
Gillian Duffy for Prime Minister!!
Where's Malcolm Tucker when you need him?
He is only human. "Let he who is wtihout sin cast the first stone".
Labour count on people like Mrs Duffy because they have always blindly supported the party just like their family has always done, the unpalatable truth is that Nu-Labour care about nothing except long term power at any price...........hence the importation of millions of new immigrant labour voters and anyone who dares disagree must be a racist or bigot.........i know where my vote is going.
What a two faced despicable human this coward is.Say it behind your back,so the stories about him are true then. Pity the poor ladies husbands not around.
Oh wait, I forgot, the majority of people in this country ARE bigots. Why don't you all just go vote for the BNP and be done with it? - Steph, Scotland, 28/4/2010 16:03 We will mostly vote Tory if we have any sense, some may vote BNP and UKIP. What we won't do is vote Lab/Lib because they will destroy whats left of the UK. Coming from Scotland I can understand your allegiance. Are there any Labour forum's I can gatecrash, so i can start educating and spreading the good word to those users!?!
Is it just me or do ther terms "sucking up & back peddling" leap to mind for anyone else. Someone should explain to good ol' Brownie what integrity is......you know: is what you say and do when you think no one can see you or hear what you're saying the same as what you do and say when you know they are. Sorry there Mr. Brown, your true colours and your opinions of the average Brit just leaped to the surface. For the love of the country I hope this clown is gone after May 6th. This country needs drastic changes in policy and government!
Gillian Duffy actually allows this imbecile into her own home so that he can issue a grovelling apology - I wouldn't have allowed him through my front gate. I would have however been only too happy to assist him on impaling himself on his own flagstaff!
what has been more damaging? the expenses scandal or gordon's immigration gaffe?
Brown's impression of a hyena whilst delivering his apology after going to Gillian Duffy's house was excruciatingly embarrassing both to the lady concerned and the watching TV audience.
A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views Now just watch all of these little red arrows to the bottom right. VOTE LABOUR! - S. Freud, Belfast, 28/4/2010 16:05 Quite correct your description of a bigot. I assume it's a description of Gordon Brown is it? After all, he won't accept an opinion stating that mass immigration has its bad points. Neither will any member of his Stalinist clique. He refuses to see the blindingly obvious that this is like the 1970's 'brain drain' all over again, and the 'one million' British people (his words) who have left these shores are the the intelligent and qualified who are being, as Dennis Healy said 'squeezed until the pips squeak'
Better go back to Downing Street and pack your bags mate....lol!
All these Eastern Europeans flooding in to this country, where are they coming from. Could that be Eastern Europe?
I would have expected Gordon Brown to have a sufficiently high enough IQ as to be able to understand the points Mrs. Duffy made to him. The minute this matter became public knowledge the Labour Party swung into their damage limitation excercise saying Brown is only human (you could have fooled many of us). I suspect it was Mandelson who made him go back to Mrs Duffy in person as in a later TV interview Mandelson was there defending Brown and admitted he had spoken to Brown on the telephone. No doubt Mandelson told Brown to get back in there and don't come out until you have pacified the lady. It was not just the 'bigot' reference that got to me, it was the attitude 'They should never have put me with......' There is little point in meeting ordinary people if the people are already staunch labour supporters. Brown is devastated. He is devastated because we have all heard what he said. Sometimes when under stress they do say what they actually mean. This was no mistake.
As I recall, Chamberlain was rather nice old man. Churchill was somewhat acerbic.
Pretty minor league stuff, if people knew what politicians really think of them they would be mortified. Thankfully, everything, even gaffes, can be spun.
Instant suspension? Instant dismissal? THIS MAN WANTS TO BE OUR PRIME MINISTER. A DISGRACE. Stand down now. Mrs Duffy is as worried as the rest of us. The elected do not want to hear the views of working people.
I'm sorry but if someone makes a bigoted comment then why are we not allowed to call them a bigot??? I'm English but I work in Ireland. Thank God they're not all trying to herd me out of here because I'm not Irish. For that matter do you think that we shouldn't be allowed to leave England to live and work somewhere else if we want to??? Because there's an awful lot of Brits in Spain who probably wouldn't be so happy about that. Do the Spanish speak about us in their country the way we talk about all the other nationalities??? The thing I think is hilarious though is that normally the "Eastern European's" take on jobs that the English think they're too good to do and would rather collect their weekly pay check from the social for doing nothing instead. The only mistake Gordon is making now is apologising as far as I'm concerned. Yes, she's an old doll but I really don't think pandering to people of any age is a respectable thing to do when they make offensive comments.
Admit it, folks - she did sound shockingly racist and ignorant.
Admidst all the political comments - (no i'm not going to read 790 comments) - has anyone else spotted that geography was not this lady's strong point. QUOTE "She told the Prime Minister: 'You can't say anything about immigrants. All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?'" Err... Eastern Europe???
If what Mrs Duffy said makes her a sort of bigot then I am a sort of bigot too. Well done, Mrs Duffy, for saying what most of us never get the chance to .
"All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?" Err, Eastern Europe I guess, EUROPE being the operative word. Rochdale has a long and proud history of being a place where Poles came to settle, from the 2nd World Ward and even earlier. I'm suprised to hear a "Labour" voter from Rochdale having a problem with this. And yes, from the snippets I've heard, she does sound a bigot.
This confirms everything that is said about BROWNS Personality. He does not listen, His attitude is do things my way or not at all. This is why the country is in the mess it now finds itself. I am sorry but GORDON BROWN IS NOT THE MAN TO RUN THE ECONOMICS OF THIS COUNTRY. Todays episode just endorses 13 years of BROWN and the way he leads.
Gordon does not live in the real world and has no idea what people actually want and i don't think he really cares. To call her a bigot shows how out of touch he is with the way MOST British people feel about the way he has run this country and the damage immigration has done to it.
to start with im not trying ot be rude or anything,im dont support Brown or any other politician, what he did tho was plain rude, in one hand he greets the lady talk to her pat her on her back and says its nice to see you and so on but then he disrespect her first by talking behind her back like a typical coward then he insult her by calling her bigot, we have all said thing behinds people's back im not a saint but there is no excuse from this man that could explain his behaviour, he says there was a misunderstanding he then even try to pass the responsability onto the lady by saying she used some words that annoyed him, my goodness the man is only sorry for being caught. Its a real shame that a man that is in charge of what is left of once Great Britain can show little respect for someone, or anyone. I cant believe he tried to get out of it with an excuse. Well like someone on tv said pictures speak for themselves... i trully feel for all the Brown supporters.
"The main concern with immigration is not the individuals who come in and take jobs - it's the massive influx of individuals who come to this country (both legally and illegally) and go straight onto benfits." Sorry to point this out but you cant go straight on to benefits - not even if you are UK born and have been living abroad.
As an expat - I have to say the UK really does need to WAKE UP and see GB for what he is. Body language says it all. In my opinion he has no honesty at all, misquotes and twists facts, frankly lies through his teeth and yet 30% of the electorate still can't see it (bigots)? which is beyond me! The man is a walking disaster and any thing he does he ruins from the state of the economy, the UK savings (gold reserves sold off a bargain prices) to taking with a member of the public. He is all out for himself and craves power so he can bully people around. The man is not sorry at all except for he was caught - the sound bite and him hunched with his hands in his face says it all. In any other line of work he would have been fired long ago and be put on the dole where I believe he belongs. In every possible aspect of a qualities of a PM I think he will be shown to be one of the worst PM's never to have been elected into office of PM in the UK. U life long bigot Labour voters deserves him!
Mr Brown should look up the meaning of the word bigot before he uses it!!!!
I se all the anti pensioner New Liebour biggots are out in force trying to defend McBroon.
kunle i gave you a green arrow.
It's funny that the readers and commenters of this newspaper think that people should cast their votes based on policy rather than personality when Nick Clegg thrashes Cameron in a debate. But they think personality counts for everything when Gordon makes another of his, now infamous, gaffes. But, when push comes to shove, policies or personality, David Donald Cameron is going to lose out one way or the other.
Im taking my brown frustrations out using the iphone app 'politician punch', very therapeutic!
"Let those of you who have never commented behing someone's back click the red arrows!!! - Sarah, Warwickshire, 28/4/2010 15:14 Click to rate Rating 18Report abuse Woopee..... 18 red arrows So the DM readers are a mendacious lot too!!!! No great surprise there........ - Sarah, Warwickshire, 28/4/2010 15:54" Well done. Give yourself a lollipop!!! The point isn't who has or who hasn't commented behind someones back. The point is McBroon the Cloon DID in the build up to an election! Good man!!! Should now be a shoo-in for Dave!!!
Where on earth is Bob Roberts today, Im in need of a good laugh! lets hear what you say! Looks like its going to be Clegg the other side of the ballot box! Gordon can take his place in the cheap seats. Everybody now "Bye bye gordon, gordon bye bye"
This is being shown live on TV in the USA. What an utter embarassment for our once great country. This really shows what Labour thinks of real people. - KJC, UK stuff the No it doesn't. Just shows what one decent man thinks of an ignorant idiot.
Labour supporters can't seriously spin this as anything positive. Unless they are truly braindead. In just a few words, Gordon Brown has told me that 1. If your views don't agree with the labour left, you are a bigot 2. That it was someone else's fault that he was 'put with that woman' 3. That it is the labour party policy to stage manage their entire campaign to suppress the views of 'ordinary' voters and only show those who can be expected to nod politely and shake hands. I've said it before, and I maintain it to be true; the most bigoted people I've ever met are those from the far left. If you don't agree with them, you are condemned as unprogressive, bigoted and narrow minded. Talk about hypocritical.
Of course if Cameron had made such a mess up, Murdoch and co would have made sure its never known....
I don't agree with Gordon Brown's Labour govt! I GUESS THAT NOW MAKES ME A BIGOT! BYE BYE GORDON!
big·ot·ry   /ˈbɪgətri/ [big-uh-tree] –noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot. _______________ Apparently, Mr Brown does not know the definition of bigotry/bigot. He seems to be the one who is intolerant of a belief that differs from his own.
Hopefully, the electorate will now see this muppet for just what he really is? Bye bye Gordy boy, you are toast!
This has been an interesting week in which our leading politicians have revealed to us the contempt in which they hold the people of this country. Yes, Gordon Brown showed his true feelings when he attacked this old lady because she expressed opinions which he hated but which many of us share. But also take a look at Nick Clegg when he described as "nutters" anyone who did not share his views on Global Warming. Mr. Clegg clearly doesn't check his facts before speaking: recent polls have shown that about 65% of British people don't believe that mankind's carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for Climate Change. A couple of very bigoted politicians here, I think. When you're voting next week, spare a thought for the mentality of the person you're putting into power in the UK.
The first time he's let out without his carer Sarah, and look what happens. I don't accept his explanation at all. The whole thing is a disaster for Labour. When he got in that car he said exactly what he thought. He blamed the woman Sue, who, he said had put this woman there to put questions. I thought he was going to meet the "ordinary people", not just those planted by Labour? All the spin Labour put on this won't work. They can put Mandy or whoever they like in front of the camera, to turn like whirling Dervishes and it still won't work. The sight of him after his grovelling apology, standing in that front garden was stomach churning. This unedifying picture was being beamed round the world. A joke at our expence.
Brown in his true colours. Power hungry, and will do anyting to keep himself in no.10. Vote him out on May 6th.
If can't handle questions fro a 65 year old pensioner, how does he expect to run the country. The mans an eejit.
He can apologise all he wants, but the question remains as to why he thinks this woman's views are 'bigoted'. AFAIK, she only expressed concern at the sheer number of immigrants coming from Eastern Europe, is there anything wrong with that? His comments are a perfect example of the crazy,bullying ultra PC-ness that pervades New Labour.
I've seen much worse said about Mr Brown on these comment boards - and no one here has the guts to apologise !!
Gordons Brown's remarks in the car were those of an disgracefully arrogant man. It is part of his job to talk and listen to everyone, at any time. Why should he imagine that he should be "protected" against the public? He is a disgrace and his grovelling only makes the situation worse. Vote with your feet and get him out of Downing Street!
"a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way". If this is true Gordon, Why have a million left the UK. Labour policies perhaps? Just another question from a concerned overseas voter. - Robert, Oakville Canada, 28/4/2010 14:55 Yes and the million haven't all gone to, for example, Poland have they? If they did do you think the poles would say nothing about it and then be called bigots if they did? Utter contempt for its own people is what this government is. Elitist losers who are finally being beaten at the game they love playing - fooling us.
Bigoted - dictionary definition 'utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own'. Pot kettle black eh Mr Brown, didn't you and your crony Alan Johnson choose to ignore and overrule the scientific evidence and advice of the ACMD - placing more importance on your opinions than scientific fact.
Serves her right for voting Nu Liebore,,poor deluded lady,looks as though it runs in her family and still they wont take the cure,how sad.Just proves that Gormless is the idiot we all think he is, if he thinks this lady is going to believe anything he says ever again.
"She has accepted there was misunderstanding. I simply misunderstood some of the words she used." How pathetic is he??? There was NO misunderstanding and he did NOT misunderstand some of the words she used.
i tell you all one thing....this will make team clegg and cameron remind their workers to always be polite when in public...
mr brown should ask jesse james - were you sorry you cheated, or sorry you got caught?
ahahahah, THIS IS BRILLIANT!! This story has just made my day. It's not funny for Gordon or the poor "biggot". Can you believe this moron has been allowed charge of GB? I think this explains why the country is in such a mess.
i'd have told him where to stick his apology! he said what he said, he hasn't denied it, so obviously he meant it!
Divine Intervention?? If so, then thank you God! Full television coverage of the Apology by the BBC (aka Biased Broadcasting Corporation) might help although I hope not.. Slimy words from slimy meddlesome might put a bit of positive spin on things.. although I hope not.. GB4XPM - Gordon Brown for ex-Prime Minister - somebody will make a fortune if they can get that printed on a car-sticker and sold for a bob or two.. I hope that this episode is the final nail in Liebour's coffin and good riddance.
if this excuse for an educated person gets in. we might as well press the nuclear button now, the labour party has been proven again to hold the voters in utter contempt and turn the party commisars against any opinion not given to us by the party. labour should be dead and buried, and anyone who thinks they are still the workers party is nuts. foreign workers party maybe.
Gordon Brown clearly does not agree with this ladies opinion and by complaining about having to talk to her has shown that he is not interested in even hearing her opinion. The definition of a Bigot is someone totally intolerant of someone else's beliefs or opinions. This, I beleive, makes Gordon Brown both a Bigot and a Hypocrite.
Ronnie, Cynical, UK: Dumbass! Gordon isn't cynical - 'GORDON IS A MORON' - as the song goes, same as the rest of the destructive labour twits that have been grounding this country into the depths that only they could plumb. Roll on election day.
What is said in private is always closer to our true feelings and beliefs. What a hypocrite. I'd love to hear what he said in private after being forced to "apologize."
"A penitent sinner" What a hoot! A caught-out contemptuous bumbler more like. No change there then.
Just go to show how the people in power don,t listen to the voter unless it,s what they want to hear,immigration is a issue we can't save the world, resources will only stretch so far.We have enough lazy people in the country who need a kick up bum and TOLD they will work and not live on benefits
Mandelson: "This is not his public or private view." Another lie from the master of lies !!
So, not only is he a fool, but a liar too. But I suppose we knew that all along!
Well what did you really expect from Brown? openess. honesty, disscustion ? Brown has show his real self to the British public., now its time for the British public to show Brown the door. NO one can vote for Brown now we can see him for the person he truely is, he has absolute contempt for anyone who disagrees with him.
So the World has stopped......why? Because the P.M. has called a women a bigot (one blindly and obstinate). He has apologised, but if you listen to the whole conversation then the P.M. is right. Since this has happened we have had nothing else on the T.V., interviewers waiting at this women's house hoping to get more. Now, I would suggest there are millions of questions that we would like to get from all parties, about the state of the Country. All this has done, is to take the coverage that Cameron & Clegg would have received from T.V. away from them & the chance to explain their views on how they would run the Country. So to some extent, Mr Brown has just earned his party some Brownie Points. So there you have it, do you want coverage of someone calling someone a bigot, or do you want to come back to the real issues that have to be resolved in the next few days. I know which I would choose. We have to get a Goverment voted in to deal with the problems of the real World.
The main concern with immigration is not the individuals who come in and take jobs - it's the massive influx of individuals who come to this country (both legally and illegally) and go straight onto benfits. It's also the 'inverted racism' that gives them access to 'unique' benefits that we all have to pay for while our own families are left to struggle. This is not being bigoted or racist - it's greatly concerning for us all. Isn't it about time the bigoted politicians listened to us?
Broon regards anyone who does not agree with him as misguided or bigoted, this surely says something about him.
'And here I was thinking two-facedness was a cherished British custom, along with xenophobia.' Missy, Midlands, UK That sounds pretty bigoted to me Missy. Not to mention racist. Or are you one of those people who believe racism is a one way street?
Thanks Gordon Have been laughing all day at your shoot yourself in the foot moment. Would you like a shovel now so you can dig the hole deeper.
To Ellie, Glasgow.the truth is Ellie we are full up!
There is absolutely no surprises here. After all, the left have been spitting in our faces for 13 years over the issue of immigration. The object being to brand anyone who would even dare mention the subject a racist. Well the genie has been well and truly let out of the bottle now.
Ask a perfectly legitimate question and the usual mantra is repeated, bigot, racist and all the other labels that the 'thinkers' of this world repeat ad nauseum. - Wills, Soton, Thank you Wills. I am not a bigot, or a racist, therefore I am a thinker. I would much rather be a thinker, than be one of the racists and bigots who post here. I must admit, I am quite surprised that you are happy to be known as a bigot or a racist as it indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of your own species.
The comments here really are amazing to me. We are all happy to accept the freedom of movement to work and live in other countries (e.g. to live in our nice compounds in Spain when we retire...) but not happy for people to come and live and work here. British people seem to be happy for only certain people to come here. Personally - its the british louts that don't have jobs that I pay for every day that cause me the most angst. The europeans that work and pay tax are very welcome to stay - they are contributing to society. Some of the racism is shocking and BACKWARDS. NIMBYs.
I'm a vitriolic Tory referred to by Pat, herts, and here's why.Dave did not lie to parliament and cause so many deaths; Dave did not deprive our troops of essential kit; Dave did not lie to Chilcott; Dave did not sell our gold assets at rock bottom prices; Dave did not try social engineering and create a massive influx of immigrants overwhelming schools and social services; Dave did not lie about immigration figures; Dave did not squander the wealth of the nation inherited by Labour; Dave did not deprive us of a referendum on Europe; Dave did not create an education system where so many young people leave school without the basics in reading and writing; Dave's party is not run by the Trade Unions. So Pat, you obviously prefer the kind of lying, murderous, cheating government currently provided by Labour. Well good luck to you is all I say, you'll need it if we get another 5 years of Brown. Your benefits can't last forever..
"She told him she had always supported Labour but was unhappy about immigration levels, the national debt, tuition fees and welfare policy." Labour have made all of these things worse since being in power yet she was still going to vote for them at the coming election! What is she thinking? These kind of people deserve Gordon Brown.
look at that smug grin outside the house..... I feel like throwing up with nausea for this horrible little man
"it's quite amusing reading some of the comments by blinkered,biased vitriolic tories.the truth is there is nothing mr.brown can say or do to please them.the sooner they get there just desserts under the leadership of the awesomely uninspiring 'dave' and his faceless cohorts,the better.good luck. - pat, herts, 28/4/2010 15:41" How is looking out for what is best for the country blinkered, biased and vitriol? Sorry but your blinkered, hopeless, traitorous party have wrecked it, and it is now down to 'inspirational' Dave and his more than capable cohorts to sort it out. Again! What he does may hurt (the immigrants, dole dossers, and public sector jobsworths) but it will be necessary. My only gripe with dave is his enthusiasm for an increase in international aid at the time we have a horrifying deficit! But that's another issue. Goodbye, back to the Daily Mirror you go honoured guest!
The Prince of Darkness is on the TV telling us what a nice chap Gordon is. Shall I believe him, or should I make my own judgement based on 13 years of experience? Goodbye Gordon, goodbye Mandy, goodbye Labour. Please never ever seek electoral victory ever again as frankly the Country can't afford you and your policies lead every time to a decade of austerity, this time it's going to be the Big Daddy.
The woman is a bigot. That's all there is to it. Don't try to dress it up as some sort of innocent and informed concern about the country - the sort of frothing bigotry displayed by that lady, and by some of the commentators on this page are completely unacceptable in these educated times. I'm heartened that GB can at least recognise ignorant racist bigotry when he sees it - and that he doesn't like it. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think it's a shame that they feel they have to rely on a bigotted section of the country for votes (essentially there's too many bigots) and he can't just say good riddance to the idiot vote. - Ellie, Glasgow, 28/4/2010 15:48 How is it being a bigot to say there is too much immigration in this country. A million Britains have left to make room for them because they cannot stand what this country has become under Brown. I note you live in Scotland, so you have no say in what goes on in England. Keep your nose out..
To Pat in Hertfordshire. The man is an absolute joke, & yes I am a Tory & yes I despise Labour overall but are you still so blinkered after 13 years of this absolute shambles he has presided over as Chancellor & now (unelected) PM? "Oh I'm sorry I didn't understand what she was saying"?? Spineless. Hapless. To use the line he used last week do please "get real". Cards on the table - I hope the economy debate tomorrow crucifies Labour & puts them in the gutter where they deserve to be on their record. At the same time the Lib Dems can go back to Toy Town. Then & only then will this country have a chance of climbing out of the same gutter before it's too late. Before you ask Pat My Mum & Dad were brought up in council houses & worked hard all their life & still never voted Labour because you always get hammered by them one way or another. Some people just don't get it after 13 years & if you get 5 more years of Labour...good luck to you an' all - you'll need it!
Once more a member of the the 'Big brother House of Commons' puts foot in mouth, but thats all well and good because the right thing to do is what he did - to apologise.' Now I ask my self, why is it that anybody ( not only politicians ) can say virtually anything they like providing they apologise. It was once said that politicians and babies nappies should be changed on a regular basis and for the self same reason, this politician especially, after that comment.
Can you imagine if it was Cameron caught saying that, the response would be "bloody Tory Toffs they just want the country for the rich and dont care about the man/wpman on the street" But now it is said by the "man for the people" good ol GB. Laugh.........i nearly handed round my toffees
I'll give it to Pat in Herts there is nothing Brown can do or say that will change our opinion of him one iota. This man is the real bigot as he is always right and everyone else is wrong be them the electorate or even his own advisors. Contrary to Darlings comments about concentrating on policies rather than personalities his stupid vicious remark shows how out of touch Labour is with the country. This lady was discussion immigration policy and I'm surprised Brown didn't go as far as calling her a racists as well but as always, he gets it completely wrong. When you make a gaffe as bad as this one you make an honest apology on air immediately and a phone call to the hurt party and then walk away. Not blundering Brown, he can't stop digging that enormous hole thats swallowing him up ! Even political satire on TV can't match this idiot as reality is even better than fiction.
We're voting for Gordon!
Talk about staring down the barrel of a gun....it's over for Brown. Even if Labour squeak past with the most MP's or if it's a hung parliament.. Brown WILL NOT be PM next week...
Watch tomorrow's Labour Party News conference......... First Question: Will the Prime Minsiter be insulting anyone today? Responses: (Sound effects - Whizzing noises as mobile phones, pens, waste bins, briefing notes etc are thrown across the room from the stage) (Visuals - Mandelson sneering at and be-littling the questioner and Brown blaming it all on the media, the global economy & an invasion from Mars ) (Audience reaction - ducking for cover ! ) All ways round, today has been priceless.! Lord Ashcroft and the LibDem's non-dom donors must be kicking themselves for spending so much on their parties instead of just waiting for such an own-goal from Brown.
'He certainly wasn't blaming anyone else, other than himself'. Not true, the obnoxious bully was blaming Sue for bringing Gillian Duffy to him.
Bigg it Bron a remake of Brigadoon except The Leading Actor messes up lines all the time. B Rated Movie from a Third Rate Producer Brown you are a disgrace. Only a week then the worst PM of all time will be removed by the people he abuses.
I cant believe it! After my last post I went back to the beginning and noticed there were people defending Brown! Are you people mad?
The woman is a bigot. That's all there is to it. Don't try to dress it up as some sort of innocent and informed concern about the country - the sort of frothing bigotry displayed by that lady, and by some of the commentators on this page are completely unacceptable in these educated times. I'm heartened that GB can at least recognise ignorant racist bigotry when he sees it - and that he doesn't like it. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think it's a shame that they feel they have to rely on a bigotted section of the country for votes (essentially there's too many bigots) and he can't just say good riddance to the idiot vote. - Ellie, Glasgow, 28/4/2010 15:48 One persons 'Bigot' is another persons 'freedom of thought and speech'. You tell me who is right!!!
No wonder the candidates don't want him to visit their constituencies. Run a country ? You couldn't trust him to walk a dog.
The big turn- off for GB was the concern shown by the lady for the unbridled immigration that the main Parties are still failingb to rcognise is a problem with many voters. GB is programmed to think "bigot" whenever he is questioned about such concerns. There is a shock in store for all when all the votes have been counted in May.
Had a good look. Couldn`t find any postings from Bob Roberts or Fred Steele. Yes. I`d be ashamed too.
But isn't this country supposed to be a democracy with freedom of speech? Like or dislike him, he is entitled to his opinion and if he thinks that about the woman, then so be it. I am quite happy to tell people that my father was a racist, homophobic bigot and I'm glad I have rather different views to him.
A storm in a tea cup stirred up by the conservative supporting sky news.
What bothers me is that she won't be voting at all.
If this had been any other party that had said this- Mandelson would have been all over it like a rash- so it's a bit rich for Socialists to starting claiming some moral superiority to anyone else. As for Sky broadcasting it- good on them- we deserve to know what the PM really thinks of the great unwashed. And as for it being private- so were Nixon's comments on Watergate- we shouldn't have heard those either should we not?
Direct quote in this article. 'she was a bigoted woman.' I think you (and anyone else who takes the trouble to actually listen to the recording) will find it was 'sort of bigoted.' Minor difference but accuracy ought to be key here. Who cares anyway? The woman clearly is a small-minded bigot and Brown shouldn't feel the need to apologise in any way. The real pity is that this non-story is taking up space that could be better used to discuss some reall problems - the Economy anyone?
Well, this is the final nail in the coffin for Liebour! Brown has just shown his true colours regarding his supporters, he clearly has no respect and doesn't care about their opinions. VOTE TORY!!!!!!
'Sometimes you say things you simply do not mean, the moment you say them you regret it. Out of the heart, so a man speaks.... And let's face, this is a government that has deliberately played the racist card to shut down all reasonable debate about immigration. I believe Gordon is only reverting to his tried and tested policy.
- kateinanu, Antigua, 28/4/2010 15:52 Perfectly summed up. Could not have said it better myself.
What more can you expect from the dictatorship of the People? New labour only serve the People - the fully committed New Marxists bent on destruction of this nation. There are secret plans to flood the nation with immigrants, we are not allowed to vote on the EU, we have no voice on the banking scandal, we are denied a public inquest into the terrorist attacks in London. We see the airspace locked down just because there MIGHT be some dust in the air - when anyone could see clear blue skies with nary a hint of dust. This grasping gang of parasites must be turfed onto the dole queue. But then, what party has a policy that supports US?
This is being shown live on TV in the USA. What an utter embarassment for our once great country. This really shows what Labour thinks of real people.
If anyone had any doubts about Brown this must have convinced them that all the adverse stories about his character are true. He, of course, is a true bigot - he will allow no other opinion but his own. He is a walking disaster whenever he is out of a stage managed environment and despite what he has said subsequently, he obviously meant what he said in the car. This has been broadcast around the world. What a wonderful advert for our country - disagree with Brown and you are a bigot, quickly followed no doubt by racist, Nazi and scum apparently. Isn't it a wonderful Country - oh well only six days to go before we see the back of him.
Whether you agree with what she said, or disagree with what she said, the lady in a free country is allowed her opinion, the comments on immigration were compared to what is being said up and down this country about immigration were very mild indeed. The Prime Minister had no right to call her a bigot in public or in private, but it does sum up what the chattering classes think of what they patronisingly refer to as "ordinary people". I am quite sure such things are said behind a lot of "ordinary peoples" backs once the promise of a vote has been secured.
so ALL the world now knows if you raise the topic of immigration your a bigot, racist and little englander and whatever else the Labour social equality department would like you be labled. totally disgusting of Brown and if it were a junior minister he woud be demanding his head apology or not.
Well said, Bea from North London - totally agree with you
Bolting horses and fastening gates spring to mind!
good for him. At least he said sorry (for having an opinion shock horror). The way some people on here go on here make out like they never speak there mind!
At last some truth !! Brown finally showing his true colours, unelected, unskilled as a leader and basically unwanted by anybody with a sense of decency Good to see we finally got to see the REAL you Gordon, god forbid we have to see you as PM for much longer
finally we all get to see the real bully and liar
'I'm more concerned that someone felt it was appropriate for this to be played for all the world to hear.' Bemused, Yorkshire. Bemused! How apt. Haven't you noticed we are in the middle of a General Election? And Brown expects 'bigots' like this lady to vote for him.
I've often thought Brown was slightly better than Blair. Not now. Westminster politicians of all colours lie to achieve their sordid aims of deceiving the British people. Lets send them all a message.
Serves her right for voting Nu Liebore,,poor deluded lady,looks as though it runs in her family and still they wont take the cure,how sad.Just proves that Gormless is the idiot we all think he is, if he thinks this lady is going to believe anything he says ever again.
Hold your FACE up brown when you are trying, and failing, to squirm your way out of this one. No good trying to hide behind the microphones you know, won't work! You utter miserable failure.
I told you for weeks that the election would be won or lost on personalities. Gordon has just lost it. No point in him turning up tomorrow now, it's all over. 10 points down the drain after one outburst. Silly billy boy.
At least Gordon Brown cares about the voters - he's a good man at heart. David Cameron's 'Big Society' is just double-speak for stealing from the poor to give to the rich - at heart he's an evil, evil man.
GB should not be expected to apologise for his opinions about the people he meets – but he should ensure that they are only expressed in private. That he didn’t was a mistake. What he and no doubt all other politicians should definitely apologise to the public for is for expecting all such public meetings to be fixed beforehand to ensure that they come out of it looking good at the expense of honesty and truthfulness.
Brown is the bigot of all the britsh people, best news yet of him going would be the icing on the cake. I dont think politicians live in the real world anymore.
Gordon was right. He should be able to speak his mind and stick up for his views. I'm sick of this hatred for immigrants who have come here from East Europe, Africa, Asia for a better live or for safety, just like Brits do when they emigrate, and yet they are portrayed as some vile poison seeping over the land. It is bigoted to hold this view, just as Gordon said, only he should have defended his comments. Politicians in this country are afraid to say anything pro-immigration because the right-wing media is really in control of this country. Most immigrants work very hard doing the worst jobs for the worst pay, and they are either accused of scrounging or "taking our jobs" that Brits often don't want to do And as for bigoted, racist, anti-immigrant people being the silent majority, I don't think so. They are certainly not silent (I wish they were) and who know if they are the majority - they certainly shout their disgusting views loud enough. I think I might vote Labour now
So anyone who states the obviouse - i.e this country is too small for the unlimited influx of ANYONE - is now a bigot - well count me in!
"All these Eastern Europeans, where are they all coming from?" You couldn't make it up, could you ((LOL)). The answer is EASTERN EUROPE! I don't suppose it's occurred to her that those of us who work in Czech Rep. Romania, Hungary, Poland etc also need to work. And if Labour voters were not so work shy, THEY too might get offered a job. Rochdale; don't make me laugh; seeing that episode of wife-swap said it all!
Gordon Brown is so out of touch with reality that was totally unable to respond to Mrs Duffy's point, it was not stage managed for him you see. Mrs Duffy was not complaining about immigration, she was telling Brown that, under Labour, immigrants have benefits thrown at them while we pensioners are penalized for having put aside a few pounds in the 'good times'. Before she retired Mrs Duffy was employed by Rochdale Council, working with handicapped children, for that she will receive a small pension - which is taxed! That was Mrs Duffy's point, an opinion that Gordon Brown said was bigotted! Now he is trying to lie his way out of that belief, even to the point of being filmed on radio saying, "I would never say that." YOU DID SAY IT YOU BUFFOON! Now ride the whirlwind, or resign?
if a touchstone is made to indentify real gold and fake gold then mrs duffy is a human touchstone in that her comments exposed what is really in gordon brown's heart.
Apologised, sorry. He isn't sorry for anything, the only thing he is sorry for is getting caught with his trousers down as they say. I would not have let him in my house, he probably bullied her into opening the door and harassed her. Vile man and vile party!
"he looks broken, it's horrifying, - labour, labourland, 28/4/2010 14:46" He looks broken, it's an absolute pleasure!!!
He and the rest of the dreadfull leftie lott that think immigration is good for this country should get out of government and let a party in who will have NO IMMIGRATION then we can have our country back. Remember what he said on election day please please dont let them back in power.
He made a serious error of judgment which says much about the man. It's not that he insulted a lady who presumably was 'on his side' but the fact that he did so when he should have been aware that he could be overheard. It proves that he's not taking all factors into account when he says or does something. He insulted the elderly lady which is bad enough but the fact that he did so indicates a serious character flaw which has made him unsuitable for public office for the last thirteen years. Thankfully he'll be gone soon and he'll be remembered for this remark and the fact that he was an unelected PM. Plus of course the fact that he's ruined the Uk economy.
To be fair most of the election candidates must walk away after this type of confrontation thinking the same or similar. The sin is to be caught out. Well brown and the Labour government have made our society one in which big brother listening/surveillance is everywhere so he has fallen on his own sword. There will not be a lot of sympathy for him.
I was embarrassed watching his apology outside her house. Its cringe worthy.
A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views Now just watch all of these little red arrows to the bottom right. VOTE LABOUR!
To all those apologists of Mr brown, and all those who say he has apologised over the incident, think on this. If the radio mic had not been on to record the comment, it woas still said, so therefore must be what he believed.
My Oxford .........Bigot is someone who holds irrespective of reason. That would be Brown.
Why are 26% of the population voting for this moron? The man is thoroughly obnoxious. His grovelling apology was toe curling. He has not got the slightest interest in the British people - he only wants their vote so he can cling on by his bitten fingernails to No. 10. I do hope this has made some labour voters think very seriously about this man now that the mask has dropped.
it's quite amusing reading some of the comments by blinkered,biased vitriolic tories.the truth is there is nothing mr.brown can say or do to please them.the sooner they get there just desserts under the leadership of the awesomely uninspiring 'dave' and his faceless cohorts,the better.good luck. - pat, herts, 28/4/2010 15:41 How far do you have to bury your head in the sand ( the least rude option) before you suffocate on stupidity and rhetoric?
Elvis, Peppa Big and now 'Voter Abuse'. Top vote winning behaviour from Labour. What a bunch of comedians. This had me in stitches.
But what DID she say? Surely for balance we need to see that side of the story too, or would that reveal that he was correct? I am not saying this is so, but merely requesting some balance in the reporting please!! - Sarah, Farnborough, 28/4/2010 13:04 Hilarious that this comment got so many red arrows...just goes to show that most of the people commenting here are NOT interested in the truth. They are interested only in jumping on the scandal bandwagon and lambasting Brown without actually knowing the details of what the (quite possibily) bigoted woman said. Oh wait, I forgot, the majority of people in this country ARE bigots. Why don't you all just go vote for the BNP and be done with it?
As has been said before the man is a real nasty piece of work, arrogance personified. Hopefully the British voter will get rid of the worst government that the country has EVER had.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...
Brown is typical of the new political mindset. If they disagree with what we think, denigrate and minimise them. Obama has a patent on this tactic. If we disagree with his marxist policies, we are Racists. You get what you vote for. As an Englishman living in the USA, I wish there was another Winston Churchill out there. Nowadays, it is all about power and not the people.
Mrs. Duffy - you totally rule!!! You handled yourself brilliantly,both in 'interviewing' Gordon Brown, and in dealing with the media trailing your afterwards. Fantastic! Good luck to you sweetie - you're now officially a star!!
It's a good thing that Browns vile remarks were caught on a Sky microphoneHad it been a BBC microphone,we may have never had known? Well done D.M. great coverage, as usual.
I think we should have microphones on all politicians at all times. Can't wait to find out what David Cameron and Nick Clegg think of the great unwashed....
it's well and truly over for Labour - nail in the coffin, I think are the best words to describe it. Anybody sitting on the fence has now fallen off it completely - he's lost the PR battle and so lost the election. It's not about policies - this is the "PR" Factor ! And he simply just doesn't have it......... Hung Parliament here we come, our worst dreams will come true (sorry for being such a pessimist).
There is only one Bigot in this exchange and that is Gordan Brown who seems to hate the English in particular and the British in general. like so many of our thieving politicians who like him seem to want to sell or give our country away
Is it not true that when a person smiles,and to your face compliments you saying what a pleasure it is to meet you, then behind your back say's to a friend or collegue the exact opposite, it is called backstabbing. I would have to say, that such a person should not be trusted. - P.S., West Midlands, 28/4/2010 15:34 Really? And here I was thinking two-facedness was a cherished British custom, along with xenophobia. As far as I am concerned, the Prime Minister has no need to apologise for a truthful remark made during a private conversation. As for the headline 'What Gordon thinks of "us," ' speak for yourselves, DM.
it's well and truly over for Labour - nail in the coffin, I think are the best words to describe it. Anybody sitting on the fence has now fallen off it completely - he's lost the PR battle and so lost the election. It's not about policies - this is the "PR" Factor ! And he simply just doesn't have it......... Hung Parliament here we come, our worst dreams will come true (sorry for being such a pessimist).
I saw the meeting on TV and it seemed quite innocuous, although brown did not appear completely comfortable. But to hear him describe the meeting with this lady as "a disaster" and immediately look for someone among his entourage to "blame" was quite revealing.Particularly as t he lady was a lifelong labour voter and not someone trying to attack Brown. I heard mandelson on the radio afterwards saying that Gordon did not mean or believe what he said about this lady - so, when Brown talks about the economy or anything else.......how do we know what he really means. or believes? People with TRUE leadership qualities do not behave in this way. And how does he forget that he is wearing a microphone?
Why would we be surprised? It has been the standard socialist/Labour reaction for years when anybody questions their policy on immigration. You are a racist, a bigot and, for good measure, a little Englander. They appear to have a department dreaming up words with 'ist' on the end. A fish rots from its head.
The man is an absolute clown and has no patience nor understanding for the people he is supposed to represent. When this woman asked him about tax on her dead husband's pension he told her to seek help. When she advised that she had, a number of times, but to no avail, he just said well try again. He is clearly not interested in anything that contradicts his point of view and cannot for a minute begin to see where he may be going wrong. His words today show the utter disdain and disrespect he has for his electorate. Why anyone would vote for him or his party is beyond me. It is truly is now a two horse race with the two horses being Cameron and Clegg. Brown is finished. Good ridance too. It is way overdue. He was never elected to run this country and never will be. He has run the UK into the ground both when he was Chancellor and now as PM yet refuses to acknowledge his part in our downfall. He is a loathesome character.
Poor Gordon. And yes, the woman was bigoted. - Jo, London, 28/4/2010 15:10 Am I missing something Jo? I've seen the "interview" and she was asking valid questions. The only thing you could accuse her of is being a "grumpy old woman" but definately not bigoted. The VT I saw was cut off at the point she was starting to whinge about her holiday in Australia (so much for a poor pensioner) did she something bigoted then?
was it in the public interest for sky news to broadcast the prime minister expressing his personal opinion? if no then you would have voted for a man who isn't honest in his opinion. but on the other hand if he had let his true feelings be known he would have got the same reaction he got today...so he could never win either way.
Truth is Mr Brown is goofy, but that doesn't make cute DCam any better. Politicians are all the same from here to Newfoundland.
Well it looks like 25 million bigots are living in GB and that is a conservative estimate for people who are worried and concerned about immigration, what a pathetic snidey politician he is !!
Hmmm.. so she's a Bigot is she? And the fact that Gordon Brown called her so is supposed to make us believe that he in some way actually insulted her? Well, the definition of a Bigot is; "one who blindly and obstinately supports a cause, party, etc." So, as she confesses to being a life long Labour supporter - maybe he was actually paying her a compliment?! It was so obvious that the media would jump on this 'unofficial and private comment' (one which no doubt all the other party leaders are guilty of - if only the truth be known) - and one which we ALL are susceptible to when making what we believe are private remarks concerning an experience or person we have met, in a situation which we didn't believe went entirely to plan. What annoys me most is the pure hypocracy, dripping from every comment one now reads in the press or sees on TV! As far as I'm concerned - I'm glad Gordon is human! And big enough to apologise for a Sky news induced Faux Pas!!
IMPORTANT DAYS IN HISTORY------28/4/10 labour loses election a week before the nation goes to the polls. r.i.p Gordon Brown.and good riddance!!!!!
I'm surprised he didn't call her a racist. After all, anyone wanting to discuss the concerns over immigration levels in this country is branded a racist by Labour.
So we know he's not the "speak no evil" monkey - so which one is he? I think the "hear no evil". You can see him with his hands over his ears like a little kid going "I'm not listening, la, la, la".
Brown tries to say that he's a man of integrity. He's just proved himself a hypocrite instead. It's not just the "bigot" remark - it's the totally hypocritical way he lied by saying "good to see you. It's very nice to see you" when he left her, which he contradicted moments later, saying "That was a disaster. Well I just ... should never have put me in that woman".
Dictionary definition of bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion Need I say more?
I don't understand what she's complaining about? If she says she's a "life long" Labour voter; then who else is there to blame, stupid woman. You voted this government into power! It's YOUR fault! (But of course, she's right.)
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe, the woman was a bigot? Either way, Sky should apologise for recording and broadcasting a private conversation.
The utter contempt that Gordon Brown has for the British public has been clearly demonstrated today. He should resign now. Anybody still going to vote for this loser ?.
Nobody is infallible. The man made a mistake and has apologised for his mistake. I wonder if you would have given such media attention to this incident if Lord Cameron had made this gaffe. I looked forward to the red arrows!!!
Listening to the recording, this is shocking, an older woman,who has voted Labour all her life,being spoken about like that, Does anyone now question the fact that Gordon Brown doesnt even like Labour voters,he treats them with contempt. Now we see the venom behind the way he treats people ,middle England,who DON'T vote for him.This is an insecure cowardly bully,stayed in this government for 13 years by default.
Now all those who think of voting Liebour know exactly what a revolting man leads this party. Everybody in this country are worried by the vast numbers of immigrants that are coming to this country, the bulk of which are just plain scroungers, and this idiot welcomes them with open arms. A stop must be put on immigration as soon as possible. To do this we must be rid of this stupid man and his equally corrupt government.
- "Mandelson: this is not his public or private view" Talk about speaking in tongues. What are you waffling on about Mandelson? No need for him to be sacked. Labour will be destroyed at the ballot box with him remaining in place. It's already happening in
It is very doubtful that he would have returned to say 'sorry' to Gillian if he had no been caught out. Makes you think how many comments he makes about other people when he is not being recorded. Disaster!!!
Of course Brown is profusely sorry for what he said...not for Gillian Duffy's sake but because he is fully aware that his remark amounts to another nail in the coffin of his election campaign. And I am glad.
For a long time it was clear that's what he thought, but now we know exactly what he really thinks!! To talk about immigration is to be called a bigot. To talk about how to pay for additional services and housing it also ... bigoted! The only problem is that he needs these 'bigots' to vote for him!!
Let those of you who have never commented behing someone's back click the red arrows!!! - Sarah, Warwickshire, 28/4/2010 15:14 Click to rate Rating 18Report abuse Woopee..... 18 red arrows So the DM readers are a mendacious lot too!!!! No great surprise there........
I've just seen and heard the exit comments by Gordon. Did she really accept that apology? Gordon had that aweful rictus grin on his face - usually worn when he is being utterly faux-sincere.
i feel sorry for gordon because he has thrown a huge spanner into the labour party machine...all he can do now is hope people will forgive him for having a an opinion even though it is biased.
"To err is human and he did say he is sorry. End of the story.. - Ash, London, 28/4/2010 15:33" Clown didn't sound so sorry when he called that lady a bigoted woman in his car though... Hardly the actions of a Prime Minister is it? The man's a total buffoon and a thoroughly rude one at that.
Well done Gordon! If this is what he thinks of a Labour supporter what does he think of the rest of the population! Game set and match to David Cameron - Bring it on!!!
I don't know who to vote for anymore, I was labour, I won't vote tory, NONE of these politicians listen, a biggott?? She is your employer Mr Brown. I feel nothing but contempt for all our so called representatives. I have always voted now I will destroy my ballot in the booth, I rightly despair.
The media ratpack showed themselves in their true colours over the comments made by the PM after his conversation with Gillian Duffy in Rochdale today. They were pushing each other out of the way in a frenzied attempt seeking to manufacture a 'Scoop' based on a recorded private conversation. This 'Entrapment' was followed up by a massive storm of speculation by media luvvies aggresively intent on whipping up a storm of controversy. They were falling over themselves to make their spurious pronouncements - what predators they are. What a sad state of affairs for the blackberry toting gittering so called journalists seeking to justify their salaries in such a manner. They should seriously rethink the value of what they do for a living!
It was funny watching Brown apologising to the proles.
What Brown fails to mention is that the Million coming into the UK are looking for hand-outs, houses, free health care, contribute to the rising crime, litter the streets with begging bowls, stand on street corners and preach hatred and terrorism against the UK, and are giving nothing back. The Million that have left the country were tax payers, who paid into the system and got penalised for working hard and being law abiding citizens, so they took their hard earned money and left this pathetic country. But then again, why should we be surprised that in Gordon's mind that makes everything alright and balances the equation? The man is not only a moron - but a two faced ignorant moron.
The man has lost it.....................if he ever had it.
Brown should be ashamed of himself. This clearly shows how he and the rest of the political class view us all, not to mention confirming what a short fuse he has. This poor lady only asked about immigration, not that she opposed it. What hope is there for politics with a 'man' like this?
The man is a prat always has been always will be, he and the liar Blair have been a complete disaster to the country, it's time the labour supporters saw there man for what he really is.
Wow! that woman's done more for this country than any amount of electioneering! Brown calls her a bigot for daring to have an opinion on immigration - I'd call hers a little darling for making people realise what an arrogant man Brown really is, and with what contempt he holds the people of this country in - in his own words!
Why should he apologise for speaking the truth?
If I were you, we'd better get on to the removals firm and arrange your moving out day for the 7th of May.
So we are saying the prime minister should either a) not have personal private opinoins, or b) Like and agree with each and every one of the 60 million + people in the UK? Get a proper news story.
The woman is a bigot. That's all there is to it. Don't try to dress it up as some sort of innocent and informed concern about the country - the sort of frothing bigotry displayed by that lady, and by some of the commentators on this page are completely unacceptable in these educated times. I'm heartened that GB can at least recognise ignorant racist bigotry when he sees it - and that he doesn't like it. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think it's a shame that they feel they have to rely on a bigotted section of the country for votes (essentially there's too many bigots) and he can't just say good riddance to the idiot vote.
Gordon Brown "Sometimes you say things that you don't mean to say" Oh!!! you mean things like "we will give the British people a referendum on the new European constitution" This just about sums up the contempt that the Labour party has for the people they are meant to serve.
How can 'Mandy' state that '.....this is not his public or private view' when clearly it is. This just demonstrates Labours attitude to the electorate who have a difference of opinion and are not dancing to their tune. Tony Bliar was and is exactly the same - one big dictatorship if ever I saw one.
Gordon brown is lying weasel and the BIGGEST waste of space going. He has demonstrated to be this countries destruction everything has gone up since he came into power ( which the British public had no control over). This lady was merely stating her right to ask such questions which she obviously deemed to be important issues. Again it is proof that he shows noting but contempt towards the general public , he has no idea what reality is. The sooner this over sized aloof oaf is erased from No 10 the better.
DM, great website that you must be congratulated on. However this level of biased reporting is starting to feel a bit strange. Start looking at the wider picture please; these non-stories are a waste of time. - Angee, Coventry, 28/4/2010 12:58 The leader of our country calls a voter with genuine concerns a bigot and you think it's a non-story? I think it's you that needs to look at the wider picture!
28th April, 2010. The day Gordon Brown lost the election for the Labour Party.
DM, great website that you must be congratulated on. However this level of biased reporting is starting to feel a bit strange. Start looking at the wider picture please; these non-stories are a waste of time. - Angee, Coventry, 28/4/2010 12:58 sorry Angee but how is this ever a non-story?!! Our current prime minister, just before the election, is recorded off camera saying something like that about a woman he has just spoken to and said how nice it was meeting, and you say that is a non-story. He has just proved to everyone what a two faced person he is! And if he has been two faced on this occasion, how many more things has he lied to us about?
so? is he not allowed an opinion? - catherine, manchester, 28/4/2010 19:46 Was she? No, judging by his reaction.
Guess that makes a large majority of the British public bigots then.
Blair and Brown signed away our rights to the European Union,France and Germany held on to their Rights. The irony is our Troops are fighting in Foreign Lands to bring those Countries * Democracy*. - jim davis, birmingham, 28/4/2010 15:11 As one person who stills fles the Union flag I'm with you Jim!
How wrong can people be!? This was an ordinary working class lady, a staunch life-long Labour voter who raised a number of legitimate questions in a perfectly reasonable manner. At the end of the conversation, Brown even thanked the woman and shook her hand and she left quite happy. However, it was duplicitous, say anything, stab-you-in-the-back-Brown who lambasted her quite wrongly for being a bigot when she only briefly touched on an issue which is of genuine concern to millions of other Labour, Liberal and Tory voters. A message to all Labour voters in the light of this shambolic outburst, Brown's "Kinnock moment" today may well have cost you this election and so it behoves any decent person to get rid of a leader who can talk behind people's backs like this and dump the party who subscribes to having a leader like this. Perhaps Gordon's long talked of "moral compass" got lost on the satnav when he started slagging this poor hardwo pensioner off in the back of his £80,000 Jag!
Guess that makes a large majority of the British public bigots then.
Brown said: 'But of course I apologise if I had said anything that has been offensive and I would never put myself in a position where I would want to say anything like that about a woman I met. What a load of waffle. Typical of the vacuous, desperate ramblings made by politicians eager to 'make a statement' but failing miserably. Clegg was the same on last night's C4 - just a load of meaningless junk-words. Cameron? Every bit as bad. But back to Gormless...he said "They should never have put me with that woman". Come on! She's just an ordinary person with ordinary concerns...why should that worry or discomfit THE PRIME MINISTER? Answer? Because they don't have a CLUE about the General Will of the people! In 1789 he'd have gone to the guillotine.
Bigoted - i.e. utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own - yup, that will be Gordon Brown and the Labour party then! All Bigots.
There must be a lot of us bigots around then because I know loads of people who: a: are voting UKIP due to their immigration policy b: are fed up of this country ignoring their own and making life too easy for people who don't want to do anything but breed.
"All these eastern Europeans? Where are they all coming from?" Erm, eastern Europe, perhaps?
Labour have just gained my vote.
Now we KNOW what he thinks of the majority in this country trouble is Cameron and Clegg think the same to them all we are bigots or ten year olds, throw the lot out and start again with people who will put this country and its people first.
I heard him apologising and saying Gillian accepted my apology. He makes me sick, what a lying toad. I would not have let him in my house
Hopefully this is now good riddance to the clown
Good going Gordon, nice to see you and your parties true colours finally come out..! Again, more proof that to be a White Brit worried about immigration is close to being labeled a Fascist. Someone needs to corner David Cameron before election day and make him pledge "On Camera" to holding a referendum on pulling out of the EU and fixing the immigration issues.
Good to see the UKIP getting in quick to make an appeal to anyone who thinks they may also be a bigot.
I feel sorry for this lady, now having a media scrum on her doorstep and the PM in her home, when she didn't want to speak to him again. I hope that she has someone with her for support, as no doubt they will be pressurising her to change her statement and say she will still vote labour. I think that will explain why he's still in her house at 15:40. They are like cold call salesman, pressurising old ladies into buying stair lifts etc lol. They are bullies and should leave her alone!
Proof positive if it was needed,of how two faced Brown and most politicians are when 'off-mike' and think they cannot be overheard.Poor woman as if she hasn't got enough to put up with has to endure a grovelling apology from the twit himself.perhaps a bouquet or a little pension topup tax free of course may persuade her to say nice things about him!!??
Like it or not Mr Brown, many, many, people in this country are concerned about this issue, some may be bigots, many are simply worried about becoming disenfranchised in their own country. Some will not realise the difference between imigrants, asylum seekers, and people from other European countries who are entitled to move freely within the European Union. Its one and the same to many. They are worried about jobs and housing in this small crowded country. You may see this as simple bigotry but many people are afraid and you and the other parties need to address this. Many do not like the situation where a christian cross is forbidden in the workplace but other religious symbols are allowed, they see this as unfair, even if they are not christian themselves. You could go on and on in this vein but should a politician even read this it would be dismissed, that, is one of the problemsprople feel they have no voice anymore.
Just for info - one thing the DM hasn't reported is the reason why GB was wearing a microphone. As far as I can tell from other news websites - he was in the middle of a television interview and she interrupted it to ask him a barrage of questions. I am neither a Labour nor a Gordon Brown fan, but surely the media has a duty to report to us the actual facts? On another point - Gordon Brown said this in private to an aide. I think it's fair to say we all call him any variety of things when he's not in earshot. He is actually entitled to therefore have a opinion about others, whether we agree with it or not. I'm more concerned that someone felt it was appropriate for this to be played for all the world to hear. Are we seriously all going to be so ignorant as to assume that Cameron, Clegg, or anyone else hasn't said anything along the same lines? Why on earth are people taking this as a personal attack on the 'working class'? Please take the DM reporting with a pinch of salt.
it's quite amusing reading some of the comments by blinkered,biased vitriolic tories.the truth is there is nothing mr.brown can say or do to please them.the sooner they get there just desserts under the leadership of the awesomely uninspiring 'dave' and his faceless cohorts,the better.good luck.
A bigot: intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views - recognize yourself Gordon?
So any one who has concerns about immigration is a 'bigot'? Gordon has shown his true colours, but then again the Eastern Eurpeans are the least of our worries concerning immigration. Anyone who is even considering voting Labour needs their head testing.
i hate the man....what a complete idiot and to make matters worse he goes to her house to apologise.....what for ..so that you can worm your way out of it ..fat chance
no surprise!I already know that polititions in general hold the electorate in contempt,in spite of the fact that we pay their inflated salaries & their even more inflated expenses claims,some arguably criminal in any other context!
......... and what does he think about the rest of us ? Not much I would think, words are so cheap from all politicians ........ I think brown has just sacked himself .... moron.
**Perhaps Mr Brown should sit down and listen to all our comments about him - or wouldn't he have the time? - Janny, South Midlands, 28/4/2010 14:21** He will have soon!
Surprised he didn't blame it on the Americans.....but he's gone back round to apologise and no doubt he'll claim that he saved us from a Global crisis of bigotry. I watched this on TV and on the radio and I don't know what she said that made him call her a "bigot". I think that she voiced the concerns that lots of people have and the fact that he was so dismissive of her views shows how the people's views, especially that of a born and bred Labour supporter who lives in one of the run down communities, are largely ignored by the politicians. They all take our vote for granted.... I wish I could vote for "None of the above".
I'm afraid that's Gillian Duffy's reward for having been a life long Labour voter despite the general harm New Labour has been doing to our country since their inception and she probably would still have voted Labour but for the embarrassment inflicted upon her by her now-not-so-glorious leader.
Gordon Brown showed his true contempt for a typical "Lancashire Lass" Gillian Duffy. Next week we can show our contempt for him and for a start you will see the North-West Labour seats falling like ninepins.Followed by the rest of the country.
I´ve just watched all of this with Mrs Duffy on SKY news and can only conclude that Gordon Brown looks upon all of us with utter contempt. She wasn´t rude at all and asked questions to which we would all like some answers - like immigration and the economy. I really hope that this time he has shot himself in the foot and that all Rochdale were watching and will vote accordingly!
Gordon Brown did the decent thing and apologised immediately. These things happen. Get over it. - Floating Voter, On Golden Pond, 28/4/2010 14:38 No floating voter (though anyone that reads this boards knows you are as liebour as they come) The decent thing would have been to listen to mrs Duffy and not insult her behind her back. Im sure he assumed the mic was off. Well i have a saying, If the word assume is used someone messed up. The labour brain cell is being spread mighty thin today!
Gordon Brown is a deluded fool if he cannot see how big a problem immigration is in this country. We are not bigots for having a valid opinion and we are not racist either. So don't try and tarnish me with that old chestnut!!! We are an island and our infrastructure is quite clearly NOT coping with the influx. That's it. End of. It's not rocket science it's a fact. Our economy has been hit hard because of it for many various factors. Not enough places in schools, not enough midwives because of the rise in births (mostly from foreigners who have recently joined our shores), benefits handed out to those who do not deserve it or actaully require it if they got off their bottoms and worked for a living, and alot more to mention here!!! Curb immigration NOW as it has ALREADY got out of control.
Is Brown the Bigot ? A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his/her own opinions or prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion. The above descriptions from Wikipedia appear to describe Brown's behaviour rather than the lady asking the questions.
You people are crazy. Just because the woman complains about excessive immigration, that is causing a lot of pain in the U.K., you call her bigoted. You are all crazy. Remember the leaked memo that Labour allowed excessive immigration, so they could call the other parties racist when they complained. No one wants to be called racist, so the sheep would vote for Labour so they could feel good about themselves. So sad.
Is it not true that when a person smiles,and to your face compliments you saying what a pleasure it is to meet you, then behind your back say's to a friend or collegue the exact opposite, it is called backstabbing. I would have to say, that such a person should not be trusted.Then, if this person has been chosen to represent the views of a whole political party, are they by association also to be trusted ? I suppose that if truth be told, we half expect politicians to speak with forked tongue, but first one must have proof of this. I'm afraid Mr. Brown within the space of a few minutes, became his own victim.One day before a final important electoral television debate, this does not bode well for him or his followers. I look foreword eagerly to that debate, maybe at long last, we might see a phoenix rise from the ashes of this long running political turmoil. Of the debates I say, three strikes and your out ! Gone are the days where we voted blindly without understanding the issues.
We should ask all the party leaders where they stand on the endless expansion of the EU.
Gordon is a particularly useless Politician heading a particularly awful party but don't for one minute think Cameron ( distant relative of the Queen ) and Clegg ( a descendant of Russian Aristocracy ) give a monkey about any of us or what we think. They must hate Election campaigns where they have to pretend for weeks on end that they care about our problems ! I will vote Tory this time as although they care the least about us they will at least reduce the National Debt.
Good for Gordon
Gordon Brown - GOTCHA. Let's try ... unelected, liar and rude. And I am not coming to your house to apologise.
People should not be surprised by this, all Politicians believe those who do not think the way they do are bigoted. These people really believe their Delusions.
Gordon's comments were a complete disgrace. This coming from someone who doesn't hate Gordon Brown as much as others. Feel really sorry for the lady as she said NOTHING wrong. What a horrible way to be treated by the leader of the country for raising good legitimate points. Seeing her walking away heartbroken and upset was very sad to see.
This so called Government will go down in history as the most incompetent, bigoted, moronic and dictating in the western world, with Gordon Broon and Tony Bliar at the helm from day one. They sold our gold reserves, abdicated our power over the banks, became the Big Brother that we were warned about in the 1984 book/movie. They allow the European idiots to steal our £50 million daily contribution, in return for nothing. The argument that GB gave this lady regarding 1million UK people living in Europe is a nonsense, there are 27 member states including the UK. We are one small island and yet we have to cope with the same number of immigrants as those who migrate to Europe as a whole. Our NHS has become a joke, too many administrators, not enough medical staff. Teachers are pulling their hair out with the lack of discipline in our schools as we are not allowed to discipline our children. Police are so involved with their targets, the criminal rules the roost. It has to end, 6 May 2010!
Dave, a safe distance from Hull Shame you're not a safe distance from a computer keyboard. By the way, what have you got against Hull?
To err is human and he did say he is sorry. End of the story..
I believe, only people that haven't woken up to Liebour and Gordon, can be suprised at his antics. What is more depressing, he still thinks he is a credible contender to be in parliament, let alone prime minister.
Asking why so many are flocking here is not bigotry, It's a serious question that many are worried about, Manchester has had a massive influx of immigrants from Eastern Europe & it has disrupted local communities. I'd like to see Gordon Brown et al live here for a few weeks & see what it is like.
Gordon Brown calls this lady a bigot? Pot, Kettle Mr Brown. Pot Kettle indeed.
Alicia, UK, 28/4/2010 15:03 Cameron & Clegg were not caught making such comments so your point is absolutely irrelevant. Accusing someone of being a bigot / racist because they have concerns over immigration is not a silly matter you silly girl.
I see liberals (socialists) are consistent in their smear everyone else that disagrees with them tatics on both sides of the Atlantic.
First this woman should sue Mr brown and the labour party for defamation and/or slander. Any lawyers out there reading this wishing to help? Secondly the reason the labour gov't has opened the doors to immigration is to guarantee extra votes. Person comes in from poor country. Is given house and more money than they could possibly earn in their home country, in benefits. They are then told that the big bad Tories are going to take this all away if they get into power. Who do they vote for? Read above but for local authority jobs. Labour gives people 20+ grand a year for doing pointless idiotic non jobs then tells these people that the big bad Tories are going to take this all away if they get into power. Who do they vote for? See above for the reason they are destroying the education system. Kids too stupid to get a job so get benefits for the rest of their lives instead, then tells these people that the big bad Tories are going to take this all away if they get into power?
Don't you think they're all like that? Anyone wanting serious approval from 'normal' people will tell them anything they want to hear for their own gains, then reveal their true opinion privately? This goes for anyone in the public eye. He was unfortunately heard expressing his comments because he mistakenly left his microphone on. Plus, fair dues, he didn't manage to get his response to the lady's comments on immigration heard as he was stuck for time and being hustled into his awaiting car. Which of these politicians, when encountering any kind of opposition won't respond in private exactly the same? If they're not agreed with they don't like it... Simples!
Let's face it, if it weren't for the election next week, he wouldn't have dreamt of apologising.
Gordon Brown is a credit to his party and the political class in general. How privileged we are to have such an example of good manners, tolerance and courtesy as our Prime Minister.
Well done Gordon! If this is what he thinks of a Labour supporter what does he think of the rest of the population! Game set and match to David Cameron - Bring it on!!!
"Labour's campaign chief Lord Mandelson said Mr Brown was 'deeply upset by the hurt caused to Mrs Duffy' and insisted it was not 'his view, either privately or publicly'." Not his view, either privately or publicly??? Well, obviously it is otherwise he wouldn't have said it! Oh, Meddlesome, I don't think even you can spin this one right!
I think Labour are going to regret not getting rid of Brown a year ago when they should have. I hope the gap between Labour and the Tories will widen as a result of this. As long as the Tories keep a level head and don't make too many gaffes of their own, I think they may have a chance now.
Ask a perfectly legitimate question and the usual mantra is repeated, bigot, racist and all the other labels that the 'thinkers' of this world repeat ad nauseum. Labour voters seem to be shocked that the rest of us have not succumbed to the brain washing. It would appear that the more you do for the Labour party the less they think of you. Loyalty only works on a two way street!
Gordon, you've well and truly secured you and the Labour Party many years to rot on the opposition bench, and long may you stay there - you awful, selfish man. Brown once said we are not living in a Broken society. I'd love to see the look on his face if he ever moved to a street with yobs on the corner, drinking and swearing when his children are around. Then, when he calls the Police they wouldn't turn up for hours. Saying that, I maintain my respect for the Police as most of them want the best for the people but can't because of Labour. You make me sick Gordon, you really do.
Finally, a politician that speaks the truth. Even though he didnt mean anyone to hear. - kje1973, Copenhagen, 28/4/2010 15:11 _____________________________________________________________________________________ The woman asked legitmate questions and I think Brown was a coward worried about his image. If he was not being so self conscious he would have simply looked forward to his next meeting. What I noticed about these politicians is the way they arrogantly brush off the public as they are trying to speak to them, all three main party leaders have done it, I find it awful. If they want our votes, speak to us, give us time and respectfully answer our questions. Not walk off, say rude things or trying to buff them off, it is arrogant.
Your comments: Just sums the guy up in one go, says one thing on camera and another behind everyoneÂ’s back, he has been proven to be the hypocrite he really is, he was never elected to be PM and he knows is days are now numbered good riddance.
So gordon think s labour voters are bigots. How can he stand after this ? We have seen the true gordon brown today
HAHA What more does she expect being a life long supporter of Labour. Goes to show how much he really couldnt care less what we think and is only interested ingetting into power again so he can screw the country up for a another term. **BUT SHE WILL CARRY ON VOTING FOR HIM** Very Silly I like his reply "Well a million Britains have moved the other way" Err, thats not a good thing for the British,
The man, or rather 'Bigot' just can not understand what is going on, or what to do next. But you can bet your bottom dollar we haven't heard the last of his 'gaffs' yet. He's such an idiot it makes my blood boil in frustration that he is still a so-called PM.
If only you told it how it is on camera Gordon. You might gain more respect. She was indeed bigoted. Just have the balls to say it on camera and win the argument against her, she was hardly a challenge! You were right, but should have said it on camera. Stop worrying about what people might think and have the courage to stand up for what you really believe. Alas your lack of courage will not win you my vote.
big·ot·ed utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. sounds about right......
Now we realy know what Brown and his cronies think.That anyone who mentions immigration are bigots and racists.
If Britain is your concern ,The problems of the economy and immigration are indivisible , the three parties are trying to divorce the two, argue against immigration and the effect it is having on our children's children you become a racist or as Gordon would say a bigot . Clearly Brown ,Cameron, and Clegg are complexly out of touch with the fears and mood of the country !
I'll get in there first... Daily Mail readers are as bigoted as they come. Crisis, pain, fear - all these CONSTANT stories of woe create a bigoted demeanor. The sun is shining, this lady seems to be a bit of a bigot, let's all have a sandwich. - High Horse, The Stables, 28/4/2010 14:17 And Guardian and Mirror readers aren't? You lot just approach things from a blinkered viewpoint thats all! The lady asked reasonable questions and shares the same views on eastern euro immigrants, pension worries as lots of people. Your hero didn't want to answer these questions and it angered him. Just because you and your hero Gord don't agree with her doesn't make her a bigot. Gordon IS a bigot though!!! This has been proven over the years!!! Lisbon treaty, gold sales? He was RIGHT we were WRONG!!!
Stay in bed for the remainder of the election run up and keep your gob shut.
yes sadly that will have lost gordon a few votes from the mentally challenged, bigoted crew
So I suppose, given that most of us feel as Mrs Duffy does, we must all be Bigots now! Let's wear it as a badge of honour!
Lets be honest here, I am sure every politician has said something rude/wrong about a difficult person they have encountered in private. The difference today is Gordon Brown got caught. But come on people, you have got to be kidding me if you think David Cameron has never said anyhting wrong/rude in private about other person. I do think Labour chances are over now but he is definately not the only politican who thinks he is far superior than the common man.
i feel sorry for the people of britain today because we have had our first major wake up call
FAIL
Gormless Brown really knows nothing what a pathetic moron. Yes in his eyes and many business owners eyes immigration is a GOOD thing. Why? Well it's all about the money. Immigrants come into the Country, from Gormless's perspective they "bring" in the potential votes he needs. And it "makes" him look like a good lapdog to his master known as the EU. From a business persons perspective it's mainly about the money. As one business woman who has her main company in London said. "Immigration increases my profits. I don't want a change in immigration because that would mean I would get less money" Personally speaking I believe she speaks for every single business owner in this Country and not just herself.
I notice how the hatchet brigade are predictably turning their poison on the poor lady , typical of this government's contempt for the electorate, I also notice how the Brown camp are blaming everyone but Gordon and themselves, the press, the public, the lady.
The reason why a million Britons have left this country is because of the disastrous way that Blair, Brown & co have run this country over the past 12 years. That woman is not a bigot, she is just telling the truth. Brown's attack is one used by the failed Left.
Breaking news on Sky is that Blundering Brown is on his way right now to this lady's home, hope she slams the door in his face!
Brown, like Blair has more faces than the town hall clock
I still can't believe that some people are still willing to vote Labour, after all the damage they have done. If it takes one of them to realise just what type of an anti English and British party they are, only after hearing him call her a bigot for questioning immigration then that's a start.
I couldn't agree with your headline to this story more. I have long thought this is exactly what our national & local politicians think of us poor peasants! In my area Southend Borough Council has held three consultation processes on our local airport's planned runway extension. Although the full results of the last consultation have not yet been disclosed, reason given, for non-release of this information is SBC deemed it as "not in the public interest". A Freedom of Information request was upheld and part of the result was published. What our illustrious council DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW IS THAT 75% OF RESIDENTS ARE AGAINST THE RUNWAY EXTENSION. BUT GUESS WHAT? THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GETTING! So I make no apologies for my anger at ALL politicians. If I were Mrs Duffy I'd tell Gordon Brown where to shove his apology. What's said CANNOT be unsaid!
Is he scared she'll sue him for Libel? (I believe the BROADCAST word is actually Libel rather than Slander, but either will suffice............)
False charm, smiles and compliments to your face and his real opinion of the British public behind your back. That's Gordon. If anyone is a bigot it is him.
I don't think that this'll do GB any harm at all. She sounded like a bigoted old bird to me and the only surprise is that he managed to put up with her for as long as he did. After all, wasn't it Winston Churchill who noted that "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." (?) And who the hell hasn't pulled shut their car door before having a moan about a bad recent experience. The company? The restaurant? The weather? The man at the checkout? Nice to spot all the hypocrites on here. Hope you're all having a nice day.
I'm a bigot.................... and so's me wife!!!!
SO WHO IS STILL VOTING LIEBOUR NOW????
Typical of Gordon Brown. So spiteful towards the people who vote for him and so arrogant too. The guy is a class a idiot.
By gum, doesn't she just look like a Labour supporter, such a happy sight.
Well at least we have heard the truth from one, however inadvertently. It also tells us of his attitude towards the general public and not his planted flunkeys.
Ha Ha, One million more votes for the BNP now. Thanks Gord
They think it's all over, well it is now!!!
WHAT HAVE I DONE, WHAT HAVE I DONE, HEAD IN HANDS GIVES IT ALL AWAY
This is trivial nonsense and we need to focus on the economy!
Wow what a clanger to drop. Mind you, the other politicions are no better, say one thing to your face, another thing behind your back. If the Politicians and the Bankers et al knew what I thought of them, and what I would do with them all, they would nail me to a Cross
amanda h, London, 28/4/2010 15:02 "this reminds me of Richard Nixon ". Add another name - Tony Blair!
And that, Gordon, is what happens when you listen to REAL voters,living in the real world, trying to deal with real problems - you get the REAL truth. That's a big difference from the pre-packaged truth you hear when your spin doctors pack your audiences with plastic supporters, asking you easy questions. I guess that's the last we will hear of this little experiment
This is most likely the wrong paper to be commenting in for what i'm about to say, but i do feel sorry for the guy. I mean, he tried for so long to get into power, basically his whole political life from teenager onward was aimed at becoming the leader of his party and prime minister. And he failed miserably. You've got to have a bit of sympathy for a man, who for all his efforts let his country and himself down. Who cares what he said, you know he's been thinking that kind of stuff most of the time anyway, of course he's going to have sometimes nasty opinions of the people he speaks to. I don't support Gordon but away from politics and on a more human level, it can't be nice to know you are verging on the brink of complete failure.
I still fail to understand how Brown can claim the credit for creating many thousands of new jobs and allowing nearly all of them to be taken by people from outside the UK. Doesn't Brown understand that UK citizens need those jobs. If non UK citizens take the jobs then most of the earnings go back to their home country to benefit their government! This was effectively an investment in a foreign government, not a policy to help the UK.
Well he does not like the English. And this arrogant remark proves it, give him your vote, you must be mad.
'I apologise if I have said anything like that. What I think she was raising with me was an issue about immigration and saying that there were too many people from Eastern Europe in the country So you would have to be a bigot to dare to suggest that there maight be too many people from Eastern Europe in the country? Gordon' Brown's explanation for why he slated this Labour supporter as a bigot is that she felt that more than a million Eastern Europeans entering our country might be a cause for concern! What a PRAT. Welcome to George Orwell's 1984 and Liebour doublespeak.
If Gordon had a brain he would be really dangerous- I think retirement in the Shetlands (too close) looking after sheep is the best he can hope for after next week.
Isn't this just typical of this moron Brown and the Labour party! Immigration is a real concern to the vast majority of the British public and I don't think this lady's views are any different from millions of other concerned members of the public but if you dare raise the question immigration you are immediately called a bigot and a racist! This government has no respect for the publics opinion, their only concern is how they can hang on to power and they don't care what lies they tell to do it! They deserve to be thrown out on their sorry backsides! Why do they refuse to listen to the public?! Is the UK not a democracy?You are not a racist or a bigot to be concerned about the thousands of immigrants arriving in the UK claiming benefits, health care and housing from a country to which they have made absolutely no contribution or have any intention of doing so. My dictionary defines Bigot as "One blindly and obstinately devoted to opinion " Yes Brown, that's YOU not Mrs Duffy!
It's strange - he Brown - kept away from the public gaze as Chancellor (shy boy!) and avoided the company of his European peers. As an unelected leader (i know I know none of them is but they are really) he did not have to woo the public. So this is the first time we have really seen Grown and witnessed his smile, his manner and his demeanor. I must say it is outrageous that such a man is running our country. He is clearly unsuited to running anything vaguely with humans involved. Perhaps a gene research lab or managing a nuclear power station a la Homer Simpson. This hatchet faced, dour, lying, disingenuous Scot is a disgrace and should be hounded from office never to seek public engagement again.
The most striking thing to me is that in Brown terms the original interview had seemed for once to show him in a reasonable light. He handled her questions well enough and everything seemed quite affable between the two of them. Anybody normal would have got in the car feeling it had gone well but not paranoid Gordon.No wonder his minders keep him away from voters.God knows what the microphone would have picked up if the voter had been hostile towards him. I find it quite incredible that there is anyone commenting here who thinks the man is anything but a disaster.Even his apology was complete gobbledegook
I cant wait to see how 'Slimy Mandelson' tries to get him out of this one. Tomorrow nights debate should be good !
Apparently at Labour's HQ Brown is known as "The Gaffer"
For such an experienced politician as Brown, making the silly, unforgiveable error of leaving his microphone switched on shows just how rattled he is getting. Well, at least it gives us a chance to know what he REALLY thinks of his supporters!
I listened to the interview and thought what a racist woman. It was only later that I heard what Gordon had said "off record" and I have to say he has gone up in my estimation. She was biggoted, rude and jumped from one subject top the next without listening to answers. He only did what I am sure most of us have done in the past and passed comment on someone when he thought he was out of earshot. He did not swear or shout, merely observed (quite correctly) that her opinions were bigoted. p.s I am not a Labour voter but I am a realist. Let those of you who have never commented behing someone's back click the red arrows!!!
Gordon's "Wobbly Wednesday"........ what a complete and utter plonker!!!
'I apologise if I have said anything like that. Gordon, get real, what do you mean IF?! I think he means he was sorry it had been heard. Just shows you the contempt he has for us little people.
Free speech is now bigotry in Britain. Labour revealed that mass immigration was a deliberate ploy by the post- war Socialist govts. What mass immigration does is to destroy the patriotism and national pride of nation states, because people without loyalty to a particular culture are easier to manipulate, especially when offered govt. handouts loyalty will be paid to that govt. not to their adopted nation and its historical philosophy. Socialists know that those who take pride in their history & customs resist exploitation, hence their laws that promote multicult and stomp on British traditions. In 1945, the International Socialists defeated National Socialists, but they were no better, they too murdered millions & invaded weaker countries, but they won (with the help of Progressive Democrat FDR) and thatÂ’s the difference. These two variations of Socialism are both Totalitarian& anti Free Market that is why you are living in something that is rapidly resembling a dictatorship.
I would imagine that half the country are bigots. The majority of us are worried about the level of immigration. Included those coming from the EU.
Hes entitled to his private opinion and to many politicians are being squeezed by following an opinion that has been manufactured by vested interests and vociferous minoritys. that now we have no goverment just endless platitudes to people that are not that important. yet no apolagy to those that really deserve it. the whole system has become a farce . right or wrong he is entitled to his own private opinion.
Brown mentioned a Girl in his team called *Sue* she got the blame for bringingt the Lady forward. I bet Gordon soon gets rid of *Sue* but it comes as no surprise to hear his views. Everyday we see his Henchmen *Mandleson/Campbell label everyone a Racist who speaks up for this Country. So much for Gordon saying he is listening to The People let him go to Peterborough and defend the European Immigrants Policy. Our Christian Beliefs are mocked by the Courts the Councils are banning flying the National Flag (in case it offends immigrants). This must be the only Country in the World where the Natives are not allowed to defend their Countries Traditions. Blair and Brown signed away our rights to the European Union,France and Germany held on to their Rights. The irony is our Troops are fighting in Foreign Lands to bring those Countries * Democracy*.
he should be ashamed and as for going to her house wish he would come to mine, just so i could slam the door in his smarmy face
I can't believe that George Osborne stated that 'general elections..reveal the truth about people.' Learning the truth about a candidate would be the last thing you encounter amidst all the political games of an election.
Finally, a politician that speaks the truth. Even though he didnt mean anyone to hear.
Was this Gordon BrownÂ’s Neil Kinnock moment?
Poor Gordon. And yes, the woman was bigoted.
By Gordon's definition, I am PROUD to be a "bigot".
Mrs Duffy only stepped out for a loaf of bread.......I thought she was marvellous. So will Granarygate be the defining moment of this election??? Please Brown put us out of our misery and go away!!!!
As a life long Labour supporter I can't defend the comments he made. He was wrong and he rightly apologised. However, the way the media have jumped on this story is ridiculous. It is wildly over the top as usual. It's like a soap opera. People want to discuss the real issues.
I have begun to feel sorry for Gordon Brown, he's learning what the Pope is learning, that once you start to apologize you can never stop...He's in an impossible position, partly his fault for not distancing himself from Blair's "centrist" policies...On the other hand, the fact that it's time to make sacrifices favors the left , the electorate know that the sacrifices demanded by the left are going to be the minimum necessary, so who knows, maybe the result will be closer than polls suggest
The utter contempt Labour hold for the genuine concerns of voters laid bare for all to see. No one can defend this.
Politicians are entitled to their own private opinion. His personal opinion of an individual person is neither here nor there. Is our prime minister expected to like every person in the country? Indeed, can he be expected to like everyone who votes for him? Of course not. Leave him alone. It's pathetic and childish.
Immigration is a democratic issue for many. But governing politicians are treating it according to their own dictat. How many local people have seen accommodation and other services go to new immigrants rather than long established local people. Usually because of national governments directive. We are lost as a nation if our Prime Minister is so arrogant that he cannot se very basic truths. Truths born from his own ridged dogma. This little incident is proof that he is sallow. Despite an obvious concern across our country our the highest politician doesn't yet get it. We were warned that Gordon "doesn't get it..... he just doesn't." Several time since his coronation Gordon has committed himself to personal changes. This today is proof that he never will. Gordon's long ambition to become Prime minister has been achieved. However ambition without the required skills is ambition useless. The Labour Party should long ago found a way to be rid of him and the disaster he represents to them.
Finally The buffoon gets caught out. Now SURELY people you can see what a two faced , conceited , deceitful , hyprocritical , liar , leeching , tyrant this idiot is. Vote him and the rest of his lying Labour out once and for all.
Mrs Duffy is almost as famous as Gracie Fields after today's little chat.
A bigot is a person who can't see anybody else's point of view but their own. The labour party is full of these folk and always has been.
Oh well done Gordon!! Now I'll have to suffer David Cameron and the conservative's smug faces jumping on Gordon Bigot Scandal, rather than listen to actual politics!!
"For all of you agreeing with Gordon Brown there seems to be 10 times the amount that don't which means a greater portion of the population agree with Mrs Duffy. - Stephen, Blackburn, 28/4/2010 14:34" Well that means there are 10 times more BIGOTS!!!
Amazing T.V. scenes ... Gordon Brown has just gone into Mrs. Duffy's house, apparently to apologise - "win her over". No cameras allowed! (15:04 hours).
I think I would be more concerned about his phrase of "who put me with that woman" Gordon Brown needs to be reminded that "the woman" is an ordinary person striving to make ends meet on her pension - like thousands of others. She has been a life long voter of Labour, and she asked perfectly normal questions, the kind anyone would have asked if given the opportunity. These people are more commonly referred to as 'VOTERS' just the kind that Gordon Brown needs. The word 'Biggot' just about confirms his true colours.......and has probably sealed his fate.
And 28% (ish) of those polled still think Nulab should be the next government !!!!!!!!
Yesterday, after Cameron was lambasted by the father of a disabled child about tory policy ,does anyone seriously think that he didn't make any "private comments" to his band acolytes? the only difference is he didn't have a mic on! - alan, Beverley, East Yorks., 28/4/2010 13:47 sadly for you Alan you have no proof that happened you are clutching at straws now sir 8 days time then your man is out to say someone is a bigot for expressing an opinion on immigration is just about the biggest disaster Brown could have done lets see how BBC news deal with this later
The PM said on Sky to Mrs Duffy, Education, Health & helping people, that's what i'm about. Really? then what happened?????
I cant believe the Daily Mail reports on this considering its the most bigoted newspaper out their and most of the comments made on here are by the bigoted BNP and Tory supporters!!
Good for him. The public wanted to hear honesty - they got it. He only got caught saying what the majority of politicians think. Just when his ratings were on the up too. No doubt this will be front-page for all the pro-Tory media. - BobbyH, Glasgow, 28/4/2010 13:39 I for one have no interest what the politicians think, I don't believe his ratings were ever 'on the up', he is a never should have been that should go back from whence he came, never to seen or heard of again. The only honesty that came of GB was what he thought of Mrs Duffy in the car, he is a two-faced moron that is an embarrassment to the UK. I am absolutely delighted that he has done this today, not because he upset Mrs Duffy, of course, but that he has shown his true colours to the small minority of voters that believe everything the Labour Party spouts. Common sense may yet prevail, let us have a good election get these idiots out of power decisively, so that this huge debt can be paid.
And a cringing call at her home????????PASS ME THE SICK BUCKET!!!!!!!!!!!
Having watched the Brown/Duffy 'confrontataton' several times now on Sky News, as well as Brown's so-called apology on Radio 2, there was no way that Mrs Duffy was bigoted. Neither was she asking Mr Brown 'difficult' questions! Instead she was asking what a great many Brits in her position would like answers to. Mr Brown was extremely patronising in his manner and instead of answering Mrs Duffy took the opportunity to speechify. I gather that Mr Brown has now offered to apologise in person to Mrs Duffy. I hope she stands her ground and refuses to meet him.
I hope the grinning idiot suffers the biggest defeat of any prime minister at the elections, and I hope he is humiliated at the results, just like he belittles and humiliates others.
Seems we the people can't legitimately bring up concerns about immigration to someone who wants our vote! Please note it is always the damn socialist politicians who cause these problems. Even immigrants are concerned about this crazy situation of uncontrolled immigration we have in this country. By the way, I am the child of an immigrant and think it has gone too far in this country.
I have a wee bit of a problem, hearing/seeing this about Gordon Brown calling a lady a bigoted woman and, "Why did you put me with that woman?." So how come he said that? If it was not for public consumption, he must hold that belief about the lady privately. So how come : "Mandelson: He's deeply upset, this is not his public or private view" ----------------- or indeed why does P. Mandelson tell such a big porky - pie? No doubt it is just another cover up to get Labour re-elected and for him to keep his exalted, unwarranted place in leading this UK. Jobsworths the whole lot of 'em damned Socialists.
I don't know - fancy talking to an ignorant, bigoted, Labour-voting loud-mouth like that! Whatever was she thinking?
Anyone who doesn't mind being called a bigot according to Brown's criteria click on the green arrow.
At last, Gordon Brown tells us what he really thinks of the voting public. This lady was only asking all the questions we want to ask and he says they were difficult. You were never voted as our "leader!" do the right thing and RESIGN now and let us get the country back to being Great Britain instead of dragging us down into even more debt.
Lets start a bigot party, there must be a lot of us who have similar concerns that aren't being addressed.
How come anyone who has their own views about anything is called a 'bigot' by the PC Loony Left Brigade We are after all a 'free' country and still (I presume) allowed our own opinions although the more I see the less I think we are. It seems to me that you are free to have your own oinions as long as they are what the PC's tell us. This is not the country I grew up in (a long time ago), it very sad.
Gordon's comment may have been wrong, but all it has shown is that he is human...with an opinion, just like the rest of us! Including Clegg and Cameron. I'm sure if they too had been privately recorded their comments and personal opinions would be just as offensive. I'm surprised so many of you don't think of this... This incident shouldn't change your opinion of GB, if you don't like him in the first place then fair enough. But not for silly reasons like this.
Anyone who has driven by the Polish War Memorial in West London will be only too well aware of the time when the UK was very glad to welcome East Europeans. Yes Tony, but not a tidal wave of over 1 million from Eastern Europe in 5 years, and a million more from outside the EU. My elderly neighbour came to the UK after the war from Poland, even she says there are far too many from Eastern Europe and elsewhere, to the detriment of local people. She and her husband worked 45 years in England and never claimed any benefits. Mass immigration has been a social and economic disaster for the UK, because it has forced many to leave to seek work elsewhere, allowed many others to stay on benefits when they should be in work, placed huge pressure on housing, schools and other services, and made it very difficult for local people to find unskilled jobs. The main political parties don't care for local people, because they favour big business, bankers and globalisation.
What would he be apologising for? Getting caught out belittling the working classes? We are all worried about non-stop immigration. He clearly isn't.
Isn't it a problem Gordon when you meet good real ordinary honest people when you extricate yourself from the westminster bubble. I can just hear him when he listened to the recording of himself, and in the famous saying from The Fast Show..... OH BUGGER!
Daily Mail readers are as bigoted as they come. Crisis, pain, fear - all these CONSTANT stories of woe create a bigoted demeanor. The sun is shining, this lady seems to be a bit of a bigot, let's all have a sandwich. - High Horse, The Stables, 28/4/2010 14:17 Daily Mail readers are patriotic and have been very alarmed at the way the country has been misgoverned by Labour for the last 13 years, and this rule has been only possible with their Scottish MPs who have done everything possible to destroy the English and our core values. This has been a form of political genocide!
this reminds me of Richard Nixon , one face for the camera, another completely different individual behind.Like Nixon ,v JFK, ie Nixon failed at his initial try at being Us President, being beaten by a Charasmatic individual ..... Gordon got his chance at power from a second chance after being beaten by Blair.This man has two faces and is ugly on the outside and ugly on the inside, its time he was out of office This incident is a disaster for Labour lets not make any bones about it .A disaster .
After watching the act on news channel, the lady in question did sound bigoted. I guess Cameron does act well in front of public but he looks like a bigger drama king!! I'd say, if you never spoke behind anyone's back ONLY then you have the right to comment, otherwise just accept for being a human.
He has one week to save the country by resigning NOW! I was lucky enough to flee Uk for a country in political and social turmoil where i live out my retirement on a Gordon Brown weakened pound. If there was a new PM, even a Labour one, I might be tempted to return...what i do not understand is why the Parliamentary Labour Party or even the Labour Party as a whole have not ditched him...Tony Blair was considered a bad PM but compared to the numpty Gordon Brown he was a genius, apart from Iraq War and being Mr Bush's poodle, of course
what an utterly two faced man- he was found out and is now having to pay the penalty. He shouldnot have said anything like that, because the woman is a down to earth person who only asked him what everyone else is scared to. Disgraceful.
What a cheek he's got. Biggotted woman, she lives with the consequences of his horrendous policies and knows from the past history of a country just whats heading our way. Hope he gets the boot. I certainly wont vote for them again.
Typical re-action of a person who does not like to be quizzed without prior preparation. It would have been all right with him if the lady had backed off after just one or two short questions, but for her to keep going at him, was just too much for him. Over-reaction like that is not a desirable trait in a country's leader. Dealing with members of the ordinary public - that same public which elects politicians - is something he cannot cope with. Perhaps his aides should be a bit more careful in future in looking after "the boss".
Brown comes across as completely two faced. Really nice to her when she can hear, but calls her a bigot just seconds later. Brown is the bigot not Mrs Gillian Duffy. Brown makes a great deal of his moral compass taught him by his father the minister. This example of massive disrespect for your fellow citizen and your blatant two faced dishonesty suggest that if you (Brown) ever had a moral compass - it is now well and truly broken.
He might has well pack in now, he has shown he does not care about this country or it's people, he only thinks of Gordon full stop
Definition of a bigot, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group...with hatred and intolerance. I'm confused -- who's the bigot in this story, exactly? - Kaycee, Once Upon A Time In The West, 28/4/2010 13:48 Well said Kaycee.
oh well, that's the final nail on the coffin - goodbye Mr. Brown.
It is as if Brown wants to lose support. However, as always, take up immigration issues with the PC brigade or politicians and you get called racist or a bigot. Immigration is a concern for the many voters. No-one doubts that there is 2-way flow of emigrants and immigrants but Brown is disingenuous with us suggesting that for each million that come in, a million British people leave. The truth is that under the EU laws, he, and all other politicians, can do nothing to stop the movement of EU citizens. He can only place controls on immigration from outside the EU. The fact is that many of those EU migrants place an unacceptable burden on state resources and it has been admitted that there is no significant economic benefit accruing to Britain. I am amazed at the responses of those who consider life outside the EU would be a disaster. We can continue to cooperate and trade with Europe. We simply do not need to be members of corrupt political union.
The onle reason Gordon Brown is upset and can't apologize enough,is because he has been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar.
It's interesting how this type of "unguarded comment" being exploited by the media is so similar to low-blow tactics used here in US campaigns. What the Prime Minister said is likely no different than what many people in his situation would have said. I can see something just like this occuring in the US: a campaign stop in Arizona; a white American confronts a US candidate; the person says something about why all of the Mexicans are taking away jobs in the US; the candidate tries to deal as best he can in the moment; gets in the car and is exasperated that he had to deal with a bigot. It's understandable. He's tired. He's losing. He's stressed. Many of us likely would have responded similarly, if we were in his shoes. The sad thing is: there is hardly any privacy any more. And when private moments are caught on tape, those responsible for the tapes don't respect the privacy of a moment, but exploit it for political gain. In this instance, I have sympathy for Brown.
The man has shown his true colours
Whatever the excuses, whatever the apologies: Words are like bullets, once fired off they cannot be called back. But words do far more lasting damage than bullets. Farväl Gordon. Don't call us, we won't call you... well we will, but what we might call you... it will be better that we don't.
To all voters in Kirkaldy & Cowdenbeath, now you've seen for what he really is, a dispicible, lying, delusional, bigoted toerag who always blame others for the things he had done. Do us a favour, vote SNP or BNP Scotland because He does not represent you anymore. This will destroy him & by god he deserves it. Mrs Duffy, after watching you being interviewed by the reporters, my heart goes out to you because you & the rest the UK's pensioners deserve better. Everybody else, leave her in peace, she doesn't need all this attention. SHE SPOKE FOR THE WHOLE NATION. Brown, you're Dead & Buried.
Do we need any more evidence that Brown and his henchmen employ obfuscation, deceit,bullying and lies to achieve a control of British society never seen before? Brown detests the ordinary voter and may the ordinary voter return the compliment on May 6th.
Make Gillian an MP she is so down to earth and honest
A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Sounds like most DM readers to me - Joe Scaramanga, London, UK, 28/4/2010 13:48 Sounds more like Gordon Brown to me.
Gordon was being two faced and if I’ve heard the words and his emphasis correctly he seems to stress the word “woman”, should Harriet have a word and see whether Gordon actually likes women. Talking of which has labour put any women spokespersons this time (NB Peter M does not qualify!)? Finally the lady was not a bigot I've just watched her very dignified interview with the press, she was genuine through and through.. god bless her.
I'm warming to Gordon B more and more as the campaign goes on. I'm glad he shares my concerns about the bigotry and mono-mindedness that blights Britain. We all know that if Sky has similar off-guard comments made by Cameron and Osborne they will not publish them. Vote Cameron and get Murdoch - if you think being in the EU is bad I hope you are looking forward to becoming a colony for the benefit of Australian and US owned businesses. - Flicity, Sussex, 28/4/2010 13:40 You criticise Sky, who are quite impartial. Yet the BBC clearly isn't impartial, as it is clearly anti-Tory/pro-Labour in its broadcasting!!! Yes very much so I'm looking forward to the Tory alternative to our Labour brown-nosing EU plight. Not sure abourt the Ozzie corporations coming in and turning us into a colony though. Sounds like your a Labour lover smelling absolute defeat (not even being the opposition) and will just dream up anything!
The ONLY way to get Brown out for sure is to vote TORY - you may not be a natural Tory voter but you have to admit that Cameron who is the most energized and passionate out of any of them by a long way - and in my book that counts for a lot. Whoops was that Clegg who just fell asleep?!
So she is bothered by immigrants from Eastern Europe but not Western Europe. That would suggest Gordon Brown called it about right.
lets get something straight ADRIAN, DALBEATTIE Fact 1 Many Eastern Europeans ARE working for less than the minimum wage as it is not enforced Fact 2 Eastern Europeans only have to work six months in this country ,then they can claim benefits Fact 3 Many of the biggest businesses are employing East Europeans as they are prepared to work for much less,and work illegal hours, Fact 4 East Europeans can claim child benefit for children outside the UK and do so , THAT IS WRONG Fact 5 There are 3million on jobseekers allowance in the UK there are 900000 east europeans working in the UK there is another 30.000 on benefits and an estimated 20.000 working without paying any taxes so dont blame the world recession on the uk's problems ,there is plenty this country can do,Like stop all immigration for a year,until we have full emplyment,,, So according to this government is you agree with the immigration problem we have, YOU are branded a bigot<<<
So this is the response if you show concern about something? All smiles and positive gestures and then the real face is revealed in an unguarded moment. I take it the car sped him off to the hospital to get the bullet out of his foot? If he is at the hospital long enough he might get to speak to Cameron who will be there with third degree burn to the palms of his hand having rubbed them so hard!
Just like the royals, politicians don't expect to have to speak to "real" people outside their privileged world. We all make gaffes but that was a blinder. No wonder Gordon had his head in his hand. When we just saw it on the news, my daughter and I were in stitches. I think Gordon really needs to ring Pickfords to make a booking. Trouble is, it looks like he'll probably be replaced by someone even more worrying.
Gordon Brown has got my vote...he did the decent thing and apologised immediately. Unlike the other party leaders, it shows he's human.
"a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way". If this is true Gordon, Why have a million left the UK. Labour policies perhaps? Just another question from a concerned overseas voter.
The disturbing thing about this is the nauseating defence of the indefensible put out by Brown and his spinners the sub text of which is 'her fault' 'not my fault - a man of integrity,honesty and decency who would never set out to offend Think of how Labour would have spun a tory doing what Brown did.
And so the smearing of the Labour party continues in the Mail. Gordon Brown did not say anything that was not true. The woman clearly is a bigot. If she does not like the fact the the UK has expats from other countires living here, she should go and find somewhere else to live. It really is that simple.
For those people who are defending Gordon Brown on this site, - yes he can have his opinions but if he thought she was bigoted then he should have said it to her face and not behind her back, and to all those from the south of England you try living in Rochdale or Blackburn and see how you feel about immigration.
How strange, not one mention of the BNP. How very very odd. Of course I realise that after I submit this comment there still won't be one.
Oh so in Brition today you not allowed to say there are too many people from Eastern Europe here, even though its true and the goverment got the numbers wrong, and thier the ones that signed away our right to limit them. I finaly see what we have become you either never talk about it and fit in to New PC Brition or you express a well held view amoungst working class people (not upper class or student idiots that fell let any one in). 1 million eastern Eroupeans here, now how is that mangaed, its a joke we have no control who comes here, and yes they take up housing, school place's etc , its too many, a limit would have been good for all and no one would of mined a fair controled number. The bigots are those that won't talk about it, who hide and say if you say any thing abou it your a racest, wake up it has to addressed fairly and and some point. Denying it helps no ione and just fuels the race hate groups
This supposed man of God is a hypocrite...after patting Mrs Duffy on the back telling her she is a lovely woman and thanking her etc etc...barely a minute later he is branding her a Bigot!!! Out you go May 6 Broon...out on the street!!!!
He make think she is a bigot but he is definitely a hypocrite!
Wait .. whats that noise I can hear ? Ah I know .. its the fat lady singing bye bye Labour - Harry Bluenapp, Sussex, 28/4/2010 13:46 I think it the sound of screaming, caused by the thought that in a little over a weeks time George Osbourne could be chancellor, lord how scary is that* *starts hiding money under floorboards
So much for respecting the opinion of another - she only wanted some answers? The modus operandi of the Labour party is to label you a bigot if you dare to challenge them on something. They've always been that way. I never have done - nor never will vote Labour ........ However I was shocked at his treatment of that lady - she was learly shocked and upset. His attitude was disgusting. So much for respecting the elderly. Shame on him!
So a million eastern europeans have come here asking for money whilst a million brits have left taking their pensions or whats left of them and their savings out of the country good economic planning gordon triumphs again dont thank him its what he does.
"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, first they raise high" - Ovid Wright
After getting caught resorting to nulabor default mode, ie branding anyone that disagrees with the nulabor project as a racist, homophobe, little englander, etc etc. Mr Gordon Brown, he who was raised by a father who was a church minister and who was guided from an early age to be respectful of people and love thy enemy and all the other cuddly biblical things he would have gullible people believe he is had this to say: But of course I apologise if I had said anything that has been offensive and I would never put myself in a position where I would want to say anything like that about a woman I met. IF??? IF??? Mr Brown, if you cannot grasp that calling someone a Bigot for simply asking you reasonable questions about YOUR failing policies is wrong...then sir...you are not fit to be a leader of Great Britain. Go find yourself a 3rd world country to govern where such is par for the course!!
Gordon your dead in water.
From what I saw of the video Gordon Brown's comments were quite justified. It's just a pity they were made so public. Like all of us, we all have our own opinions on other people, which are usually made in private but unfortunately for Gordon Brown his were only made too public. Show me a politician, or one of the other party leaders, who hasn't said almost the same thing but has been lucky enough for it not to be broadcast to the whole nation. I wonder, was it a Tory or a Liberal who sympathiser who leaked it to the media!! Go Gordon Go!
Well he was bound to put his foot in it at some point to the point of no return, Clegg's ridiculous policies will be his downfall, but Brown, HOW DARE YOU?! We have GENUINE concerns about immigration, Brown, how dare you act so arrogantly towards a lady who has made a hundred fold contribution to this country compared to your disgustingly inept, unelected run in office? Just a few more days and you will be consigned to the dustbin of infamy, I hope you stay there and rot. You make me sick.
Taken from the book entitled "How To Win An Election", rule number 578 - never ever insult the electorate.
Anythingbutmadam - your comment, copied below is clearly very wrong. The definition of Bigot is obviously anybody that does not agree with Gordon Brown. """"The definition of bigot is : obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions : a bigoted group of reactionaries. * expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance : a thoughtless and bigoted article. - Anythingbutmadam, London, 28/4/2010 13:40"""
This will be crushing for Labour, I always thought he held the voter with utter contempt and now we have found out, this was the smoking gun really. Labour may well have had a chance to get back in (God help us) but that is now over . The government have wrecked their own country, what a bunch of idiots. Yet they treat us like idiots, what a bunch of hypocrites!
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Apparently he is on his way to apologise. I would either open the door and thrown something in his face or ignore him! either was really annoy him
She is a woman. She made bigoted comments. Gordon Brown stated facts. If you think this is a major issue in this election, maybe you should up and leave this country and leave the open minded non-racist people here to have decent conversation. Why don't you take your nasty little BNP party with you while you're at it - go and play Lord of the Flies somewhere else.
Bigot!! really with all labour's So called social engineering,and incompetent handling of immigration. He's upset by this lady's honest opinion! this social engineering has overtaxed the national health and every other service that the normal tax payer pays for. These other so called illegal or in Brown's case lost immigrants pay NO tax. Some of you people aught to wake up! She was in NO way bigoted, those who do not see the problem are ignorant.
I am not a particular into which party's policies but I really feel sorry for Mr Brown. We have to understand NONE of us can work like Brown who faces pressures from all directions 24 hours a day. Anyone acts like Ms Gillian Duffy morning to Mr Brown is actually a bit "bigotted " to me too. She kept asking questions that she thinks are simple but they are not. She cannot expect him to answer a detailed way, in fact, Mr Brown did try his best to talk a bit, you can see from the video. To everyone of us who know how to read and write, why not go and browse into the Internet and newspapers? Tonnes of information out there, just do you own research and not act like a kid, just want somebody else to feed. Brown's policy on dealing in recession is going the right way: Just take a look at RBS, BARC and LLOYDS, they are performing very well. National debts is actively reducing if the shares keep going up. Right? Think and think and think.
if a million people have moved the other way, then its because the country is full of scrounging asylum seekers, I'm one of that million and it was the best move I ever made!
As sure as toast is brown - BROWN IS TOAST!
Don't like the bigot myself, and in no way would I ever vote Labour, but we all have opinions in private a little different than those of what we might say in public. You can bet that all politicians probably do the same in the comfort and safety of their offices. What was telling though was, she went to make a statement to him about not being able to speak about immigrants, then stopped herself short, and it was just that she did mentioned immigration, that Brown called her a bigot!
'Anyone who has driven by the Polish War Memorial in West London will be only too well aware of the time when the UK was very glad to welcome East Europeans' says TonyB, Melbourne, Australia. .... and they were only too glad to welcome us when we liberated their countries from the Nazis, at an immense cost in terms of British casualties.
She is a brave Woman for bring up the word "immigration" in a place like rochdale.
He was speaking the truth - how many politicians can be accused of that these days?
It seems to me that everyone is a bigot that doesn't conform to Gordon Browns policies. With hypocrisy endemic within the political parties-what they say in public is entirely different to what they think and say in private, with no TV cameras around.
Brown reminds me of the Titanic . When it started to sink ( as Nu Labour are doing at the moment ) all the crew deserted the ship and left the Captain aboard . His Ministers all know he is a walking dead man , and they cannot wait for him to fail. This is just another faux pas which shows Brown in his true colours and character.
the most important question is who will take his place on tommorows debate? because he surely cant go on as if nothing happened? then again blair did it after the wmd fiasco and got re-elected so maybe there is hope yet for gb? if i was him i would not go on because it would be too embarrassing...because whatever he says from now on will go down like a lead balloon with the public. i truly feel sorry for him because this is the man who was always harping on about his moral compass and yet it failed to direct away from his calamitous remarks today. but hey noone is perfect...
do not worry gordon if people like her voted for you, you would be doing something wrong
Hah, who cares? Maybe she WAS a bigot. The media loves to turn something mundane into a scandal.
I always give politicians stick if they deserve it no matter the colour so here goes that Gordon was an absolute gaffe Mrs Duffy was only asking a selection of questions /statements that the British Public would ask if they got the chance and Mr T Blair (her favourite)and weak OPPOSITION AGREED TO /OR FAILED TO OPPOSE)in the number of incoming migrants from new E.U countries. However that said, to hear George Osborne trying to make political capital was a disgrace and by the way George dont forget to jump up and down and shake your rattle next time and let us know George some of the things you say behind peoples back It is not always good to want 15 mins of fame, nevertheless she is an elderly lady that wasnt fair and I hope you two can make it up.
Trouble is Brown was criticised for not meeting the people face to face, but going through stage managed events with Labour activists posing as the public. So he goes out to meet the people and oh dear, they discuss their worries, speak their minds, and he doesn't like it. Express an opinion about immigration being too high, and you become, in GB's opinion a bigot. Since 67% of the UK public think immigration is too high, then 67% of us must be bigots. Thanks Gordon, now we know what you really think of us.
Gordon Brown was just telling the truth, what's more these were personal comments. I expect everyone here has said something about someone they would be horrified if they heard. Brown should stick with his comments, they're not unfounded. I've got more issue with the fact they were recorded and provovatively played back to him, he looks broken, it's horrifying,
Really it proves what I have thought for a long time. New Labour doesn't even like working class people and look down on them. It is pretty bad really since they are supposed to represent the working class. However I think Brown would rather have bankers and foreigners that ordinary ethnic British people. This woman was probobly voicing some pretty ignorant views about foreign people, but people are bound to be worried about people from overseas when they let in criminals and don't even deport them when they commit crimes. It really is doing nobody any favours including the law abiding, working people from overseas. These politicians are mostly public school educated and they learn to think of themselves as superior and the working classes an inferior in those places. Add to that that as a general rule they keep themselves as far away from ordinary people as they can manage and this attitude isn't at all surprising.
Peter, Bournemouth, 28/4/2010 13:26: should the millions of Britons living abroad (as immigrants in other countries) be made to go back to Britain as well then? I think Gordon had a point there...
Awful - he was unsympathetic to her genuine concerns which are shared by many people. The political encounters with ordinary people are so horrible and once the cameras have gone, they revert. I have read that David Cameron very publicly gave his card and promise of help to a man returning from the forces with housing problems, but he never returned over 30 calls. I also saw a lib dem candidaet who had behaved offensively in previous local meetings become Mr Smarm once an election was on. This puts me off politics as I'm sure it will do others. I will vote on what I consider to be the big issues, but I am dismayed by the behaviour of political leaders of all parties.
If you listen to their conversation, she wasn't bigoted at all... She was quite within her rights to ask a question of the PM, wasn't she? I think his comments in the car were more of frustration on how she made him look and lets all face the fact that he is totally incapable, or are we all forgetting the last 13 years of him being Chancellor and PM...!!! I think anyone even thinking of voting Labour or Lib Dem (just another vote for Labour) need to think seriously about the consequences.
She's happy for people to be on the dole but not for immigrants from other countries to come here and do jobs we think are 'beneath' us. I'd say that rates on the bigoted scale. He was an idiot to forget about the mic though. And before you red flag me read the transcript of the conversation properly.
Breaking news: A bigoted woman is called a bigot. "You can't say anything about immigrants. All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?" is bigoted. So what on earth is your point?! This has actually made me warm to Brown more than anything else. So the Fail has failed.
He was right though wasn't he? She is bigoted, trying to blame it on the East Europeans rather than the feckless residents of the UK. I thought we wanted honesty in our politicians - when one is honest then it backfires? - delboy, georgeosborneland, 28/4/2010 13:30 I would love to know how it's honest to smile to the lady in questions face, tell her it's lovely to meet her and then make snide, derogatory comments behind her back? Where is the honesty in that?
The first geniune member of the public our fearless leader dares to meet in this campaign and he completley messes it up. It just goes to show that Brown is completley incompetent without 20 speechwriters and spin doctors feeding him lines and info.
Why is is that more and more people are like Brown these days? Question their views, and they respond by immature petty name calling or by classing you as something you aren't. Absolutely pathetic! It's like being 5 years old again and back in a playground!
Well that's Labour for you, just mention immigration to them and your a racist and bigot. That's exactly why Gordon Brown is hated so much.
I can't stand Gordon Brown. Labour used to be the best of a bad bunch - after all, politicians promise the earth and then follow their own agenda once in power - but with him at the helm I'd rather stick my head in an unlit gas oven than vote Labour. To call this woman bigoted when she complains about uncontrolled mass immigration? She's just sensible. We're too small to have such large numbers setting up home, without any regard as to how they will support themselves and their families financially. I'm all for skilled workers living wherever they want to - they can make a genuine contribution to the economy and a successful mulitcultural society. By this I mean one where we respect the values of the country we call home, not by creating our own divisive, micro culture in pockets of the country. And before anyone debates whether I'm bigoted too - my husband is the son of an immigrant. A very nice family who have never taken any more from this country than they have put in.
He's far worse than an incompetent fool, he's a blatant and deceitful liar, like so many of his party colleagues, but tragically, NULabour leaders are not alone in putting their personal agendas above those of the electorate. Politicians, like so much of Britain, has lost it's way in a moral malaise. Selfishness is the new God.
Lets face it Gormless is the biggest "BIGOT" of the lot.Have that as leader of the country,NEVER.All this talk of a Hung Parliment ??,what a great idea,anyone got a ROPE ???.
This man could never win an election. He knew that at the start, which is why he took over from Blair and waited as long as possible to call the election.
Don't like the bigot myself, and in no way would I ever vote Labour, but we all have opinions in private a little different than those of what we might say in public. You can bet that all politicians probably do the same in the comfort and safety of their offices. What was telling though was, she went to make a statement to him about not being able to speak about immigrants, then stopped herself short, and it was just that she did mentioned immigration, that Brown called her a bigot!
That just about sums up the Labour party. They run the country with the support of 15% of the voting population and anybody in the other 85% of the population who disagree with them is a "bigot". If that is not a dictatorship what is?
So much for listening to 'the people'! Of course he was angry. How dare they put him in a situation where he has to talk to people other than hand picked Labour supporters. I wonder what he REALLY thinks of the 'angels in nurses uniforms' (pass the sick bag) behind their backs. How can anyone even think of voting Labour now. Thank you, Mrs Duffy. If you are a bigot for expressing what millions of us think, then I want to be a bigot too.
Anyone who has driven by the Polish War Memorial in West London will be only too well aware of the time when the UK was very glad to welcome East Europeans. - TonyB, Melbourne, Australia, 28/4/2010 13:43 Tony - I agree but that was then and this is now. By the way the Polish / Eastern European immigrants do NOT pose a significant threat to our Western European, Judeo-Christian based culture and traditions. Many other immigrants do!
Goodbye Gordon, the dictator.
Duffer Brown meets Mrs Duffy. This altercation surely seals the fate of useless bigot Brown.
Whoops, game over.
Yes, lots of British people are living and working in other EU countries, but I am sure they are not a burden on their adopted country's society being given various handouts for unemployment, housing etc. etc. I am sure they don't expect documents to be printed in multi languages etc. etc.
"Gordon reveals what he REALLY thinks of us" No, Gordon reveals what he really thinks of that one person. Unless that one person, via some sort of psychic groupthink, channels the thoughts of all Mail readers.
Cameron wouldn't have dismissed her like Brown did. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 28/4/2010 13:41 Phew you have really swallowed propaganda, hook, line and sinker...
I agree with John - the last time I looked, Rochdale was part of Lancashire. Try and get it right people!
This isn't what Gordon Brown thinks of 'us' it's what he thought of that one woman and to be fair he was exactly right.
Looks like Sue is going to catch it in the neck then but its Browns own fault. All this business of getiing out and talking to the people is a sham. The man is a complete lemonwho appears incapable of genuine words and thought or perhaps his clinging wife can tell us otherwise.
Did anybody else pick up the usual politicians apology " If I caused any offence" and "if I said anything offensive" Yes you did cause offence and you did say something offensive so why can you just say so ?
I see nothing wrong with what Gordon said.
i bet it is not the first time she has heard the word bigot
Whoops! Gordon shoots himself in the foot! A member of the public asks him a pertinent question, and we see his true colours.
Isn't it strange that whenever anyone presents Labour with an opinion they are bigoted? Isn't that also a bigoted outlook?
amazing how people want to see Brown go and yet his likely replacement might be Clegg.like jumping from frying pan to fire.worse
And Gordon would like another 5 years!!!!! Sorry you have shown your true colours. Time for you to GET REAL Gordon!
Gordon Brown did the decent thing and apologised immediately. These things happen. Get over it.
If you have concerns about immigration labour think you are a bigot. If you vote for them you are a disgrace just like Gordon Brown.
BROWN IS TOAST!
I suppose she'll want compensation for a sleepless night next!!
own goal! I'm delighted, as he has well and truly put the final nail in his own coffin!
And to make it worse he lied in the Jeremy Vine radio interview about not blaming his staff and about the media stopping him answering - he himself ended the conversation with Mrs Duffy about Eastern European immigration. He is a total disgrace and not fit to be elected as Prime Minister - oh I forgot, he never has been.
She was speaking what we are all thinking, he is SUPPOSED to our voice, yet really all he does is try andpull the wool over our eyes. We all know that the country cannot support the amount of immigration that is flooding it, yet he blithly carries on denying there a problem. The quicker this lot are out the better, he is just a scumbag and bully.
Ha Ha HA !!!! Brilliant!!
So finally we now have audio proof of Gormless Clown's ineptitude. The NuLies party are finshed, they might as well give up now, the Dear Leader has torpedoed what little chance they had. I was listening to BBC Five live just a short while ago and I couldn't believe the bias towards anyone with anything positive to say about NuLabour or Mr Clown's latest disaster. Perhaps the realisation of impending doom of the BBC's adopted party NuLab hasn't sunk in yet...
For all of you agreeing with Gordon Brown there seems to be 10 times the amount that don't which means a greater portion of the population agree with Mrs Duffy. Thus telling me that Mr Brown and his sympathisers are the real bigots!!!
Goodbye Mr Brown, youÂ’ll not be missed, but you will live on in the nations memory for generations to come!!
Well done Gordon, now you have confirmed on air just what you think of us all!! You can make all the excuses you like for your words from the heart, but they won't wash....... cos we are not the idiots you think we are. How you ever got to the position of Prime Minister of Great Britain is beyond me.
Gordon Brown and Labour think the electorate are just a nuisance and should't be voting. Voters don't understand the ways of the political mind so they believe, they want absolute power.
Finally we see some real emotion from Gordon Brown. He was only being human and letting off steam. Yes he chose the wrong word but it could have been worse. I have not made up my mind who to vote for yet, but after seeing this have to say I am warming to him. He is human and anyone could have made the same mistake.
Bigot: obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions : a bigoted group of reactionaries. * expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance : a thoughtless and bigoted article. To all those saying Brown was right, she is a bigot, read the above definition then please explain to me why you yourselves are not bigots, just because you have a viewpoint you've been told is acceptable doesn't mean it's right or that you can judge someone else on it, by calling someone a bigot 99.9% of people are actually being a bigot themselves
The only bigot that I saw today was Gordon Brown
On such small things history does turn. I hope all the staunchly loyal Labour supporters such as Mrs Duffy look calmly and rationally at Brown and the disaster that the last thirteen years have resulted in. All working people have been let down by this Government. The poorest of them are paying more tax, their sons and daughters are sent out to die without the proper equipment, their jobs go to immigrants and Brown has personally destroyed the pension funds that would have let them retire at the date they expected. I suspect that "dyed in the wool" people like Mrs Duffy won't be able to bring themselves to vote Conservative because of ingrained prejudices. Let's hope that they see that Cameron's Tories are different and don't vote LibDem and thereby support unilateral nuclear disarmament by default. The Russians are still out there!! The Greeks have a new "tragedy" but a British tragedy is also in the making if the debt and deficit crises are not tackled sooner rather than later
One of the benefits of being retired, is that during the run up to the election, one can see the political debates in full, at the time, where as those of you at work will only get to see selected highlights. The live debate between the foisty Gillian Duffy and Gordon Brown provided classic viewing. This lady was articulate, knowledgeable, and asked all the right questions, that most voters would want answered. The unfortune thing for Gordon Brown about this whole episode, was that he did well in answering Gillian Duffy's questions. Then we found out what Gordon Brown is really like, when we heard his unguarded comments, and I think that this will ultimately result in his final demise. I can just picture Mandleson's reaction, when Brown said it was a disaster, and the women was a bigot. Cameron and Clegg must be laughing their socks off.
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen anti pc remarks in comments here, yet today people are supporting the great pc doctrine that you musn't call people bigots - even if they are!! Brown should never have apologised - he was just calling it how it is. Imigration is only an issue for bigots and those Britons who can't be bothered to make themselves employable. British firms have long depended upon migrant labour to make up for the unskilled and/or workshy indigenous population.The BNP's support has grown amongst the unemployed because they don't like competition from better qualified migrants who have a developed work ethic, it's time they took some responsibility for their own shortcomings instead of whinging. It is one of the many inconsistencies of the Right to oppose economic migration, after all it is just the market deciding and business free to choose the own employees without Government interference - a cornerstone of Thatcher's Free Market philosophy.
Old Gormless has been well & truly outed - it's been obvious for a long time that he holds the electorate in contempt. Don't know why, can't tell if it's ignorance or arrogance. Yet there are still those who are crazy enough to want to vote for the old fool. As for mass immigration from eastern europe - it's the elephant in the room that none of the politicians want to mention........
Goodbye Mr Brown, youÂ’ll not be missed, but you will live on in the nations memory for generations to come!!
Spectacular own goal. Well done Mr Brown
This Gordon is what we call a member of the public. (and a Labour supporter, or at least she was until she met you today!) it's called a conversation in the real world when a registered voter puts their point of view and does not agree with everything you say. This does not make them a bigot by the way Blame your minders for allowing a non pre checked person near you. LOL
Since 1997 Gordon and all his nu-liebour mates have scremed racist at every person who said immigration should be controlled and not the free for all that bliar and brown et al, allowed in. now with their so called popularity at an all time low liebour suddenly understand peoples worries or so they have been telling us. browns comments about Mrs. Duffy have proved that it is till the same old liebour party, say one thing in public to the voters and something else behind their backs. Dont forget also that bliars own stated greatest achievement was the human rights laws that allow paedophiles, rapists and murderers to stay in the UK at taxpayers expense because to deport them would breach their human rights and those that have been abused, raped, or murdered dont matter at all really to nu liebour.
And they think it is all over ...... it is now !
Who cares? Maybe she was a bigot. What's wrong with Brown saying that if its true? Some people are bigots and that's that.
Is this the moment when he loses the election and it was caused by an "ordinary" woman asking questions that we would all like to be answered. Instead of having these carefully "staged" debates!!
Can't believe some people are defending Brown and labours immigration policy!!! Too all the people pointing out that the British people emigrate abraod too,yes they do,but how many of those are low skilled labour who will need government aid/ benefits? I'd bet a very small minority.Most people leaving this sinking ship will be well educated,well qualified professionals, and in return the majority ( Not all ) who come to these shores are low skilled / unskilled.Doesn't sound like the best immigration policy to me!
if i was a personal advisor to gordon brown i would say this to him....every morning before you go out to meet and talk to people always remember to only say what is non offensive because a word causing pain causes anger to come up and a reply when mild turns back anger also there exists the one speaking thoughtlessly as with the stabs of a sword. also noone wears a wig unless they are hiding something they are ashamed of...in the case of gordon brown his wig has come off unquestionably and it looks as if he is on the way out because i dont think any amount of apologies and spin doctors can undo the damage his comments have done. but overall i think this incident should make us all guard our tongue.
It isn't uncommon for politicians to show one face to public and other private...poor Gordon just got caught thats all!
The problem is, until the question of immigration is debated properly - in terms of the problems arising from our EU membership and the right to live and work in this country - the issue will always be hijacked by those who are also likely to be racists and/or whingeing, garrulous OAPs going on about where they all come from.
When I used to canvass door to door for a political party, when someone put forward racist views, I politely told them they were racist. Sometimes they respected me for what I was saying, and still voted for me (as a local councillor). What really sticks in people's gullets is HYPOCRISY and this is exactly what Brown has just demonstrated par excellence. - Napoleon, St Helena, You should be ashamed that you're calling people racist, my aunt came here from Jamaica in the 1950's and when I saw her a while back, she said this country is not like her England used to be, she worked hard and has done well for her family, so is she racist as she said there are too many people here now?. It's about numbers of people, we have so many unemployed is it right to let these people down
Thanks DM for giving me a good laugh, more seriously,what a nasty spiteful person Brown is, all these stage managed interviews,with labour supporters, he got the one who wanted the answer to a very serious question, Immigration, it is killing England financially , so we are told basically to put up and shut up.It's browns way or no way, I prefer the latter.May 6th.
And what have the other two toffee nosed gits said about the British public but not been unlucky enough to get caught out?
well i must be a bigot aswell as i am worried about immigration, the state of the country's coffers etc. i dont agree with much of what labour stand for so i must be a bigot. gordon you are the bigot.you are a fool.
Reminds me of a song "True Colours" Why don't people wake up and see what he is about it's not service to the uk but self service and power - Gary, Tavistock Now SA, 28/4/2010 13:29 Reminds me of another song ...." GORDON IS A MORON. " by Jilted John. ( sept. 1978 )
Gordon, don't bother with Thursday. Its OVER!!
Aside from the offensive comment of Bigot : First of all Browns utter determination to avoid any member of the public than planted party stooges. Second, his absolute initial reaction to find somebody to blame. Sue Nye in this case. Third his interview with Jermy vine where he says (and bear in mind this is after the tape is played to him) 'IF i said something ' IF ? So which part of the tape when it was played back did you not understand about your own comments. Spinless fool. He says it as IF his comments were debatable or mis-interpreted. Please just kick this fool out.....
well i must be a bigot aswell as i am worried about immigration, the state of the country's coffers etc. i dont agree with much of what labour stand for so i must be a bigot. gordon you are the bigot.you are a fool.
Perhaps Mr Brown should sit down and listen to all our comments about him - or wouldn't he have the time?
She wasn't actually targeted though was she? It was a private comment, made in frustration that was clearly not meant for broadcast. - Isabel, London, 28/4/2010 13:36 You need to listen to the whole thing. There is NO DOUBT he was talking about her and I personally find his lack of respect for her to be reflection of his lack of people skills and his lack of respect for the Ordinary people of this country. I also struggle to see how you can put it down to a private comment when what the PM of our country thinks is pretty important to me and I believe everyone else or do you prefer that they continue to lie to our faces all the time ?
We all know who the biggot is and it's NOT Gillian Duffy
I never realised I was a bigot until today thanks for setting me straight there Gordon.Here's me thinking the country gone to the dogs taking in the dregs of the world when actually it's my bigoted views ruining the country of my birth.
PROOF AT LAST THAT NU LAB'S IMMIGRATION POLICY WAS A PRECONCEIVED IDEA TO DILUTE THE 'BRITISHNESS' IN BRITAIN Gordon is happy to have 1m immigrants, to replace 2m Britons who have left. He has engineered a brain drain and replaced it by unskilled, non English speaking. East Europeans, who will arrive and claim benefits paid for by those who were driven away in despair. HOW MUCH FAIRER THAN THAT CAN YOU GET???????????
lower unemployment than 97 nooooooooo way this decietful cretin really is on another planet, how did this clown get into such high office the only bigot on show was the arch lying clown,we all see you now in full arrogance look at your record surely the worst ever pm
The Labour Party was founded to advance the interest of the white working class in this country. It appears that in the Champagne Socialist, Liberal Intelligensia Party (aka New Labour), there is no room for this constituency of voters. I am suprised that Nick Griffin hasn't already congratulated Brown for the many votes his party will now garner.
Gordon Brown has lost the election!
Now we know the truth !!!!!!! Two faced politicians, one thing to the electorate and another behind their backs..... now who do we vote for !!!! get rid of the lot..... Vote me in....I can't do a worse job ..can I ?? Just checked out GB personal info, and he has not held a 'proper' job, has no experience of accounts / big business, so what gives him the experience to be Chancellor of the Exchequer and Prime Minister. No wonder this country is in such a mess. If I run my household accounts the way he has run the Exchequer I would be in prison....whats makes this governent so different.
Well now we REALLY know what Brown thinks about all the ordinary British People in the UK & Mrs Duffy is or was a Labour voter. I'm am disgusted to the core with his attitude to this nice lady. If any one is a bigot he is & I hope to God this is splashed over every paper in Great Britain for every body to see. Well good old Milly Molly Mandy & that snake Campbell will be writhing now & I expect they're now sharpening the knives ready to get rid of him. I suppose T Bliar will brought in to slither Labour out of it some how. Brown is the most disgusting person I've ever seen & I'm not a particular fan of either Cameron & certainly not Clegg but I hope to God Liebour now implode & sink into the Channel or Le Pond as they want it to become.
I saw this entire thing going down 'live' on the BBC, including the shocked woman being casually interviewed afterwards when the comments were revealed to her. I feel so sorry for her - she was genuine and she has the same questions we all have, so I guess that makes us all bigots then. What has the world come to.
'That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous...' Erm, I think it was someone called Brown who announced upping the campaign tempo and meeting ordinary people, as opposed to being seen in the sitting-rooms of Labour activists or supporters? Must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Still, calling someone 'a bigoted woman' is a pleasant change from the usual rant of 'racist'. Hmmm....problem for Gordy is that ordinary people have votes and are concerned about immigration of the open-door kind allowed by Labour in office.
The only time you will get Flash Gordon telling the truth is when he thinks he can not be listened to except by his friends. He is even lying when he said he put the microphone on for the press. His aides wanted him to wear it. so that people could hear Gordon's opinions. Well the whole electorate can hear what he really thinks. He is posssibly a --- let me think, Oh I know, a bigot.
I'll get in there first... Daily Mail readers are as bigoted as they come. Crisis, pain, fear - all these CONSTANT stories of woe create a bigoted demeanor. The sun is shining, this lady seems to be a bit of a bigot, let's all have a sandwich.
mp's in public will say and do anything just to get elected but in private they look at the so called common people like we are just something they have stepped in it's not just gordon brown i think they are all the same but he is just a calamity to the labour party they must cringe every time he goes on the street to meet the public with his stupid smile and look down at people as if they are not worthy we need to get ordinary people as mp's not people who have never lived with normal people in normal town's and city's with high crime,homelessness,immigration.unemployment,the nearest they get to what they think real people are is an episode of eastender's or coronation street they are all tarred with the same brush whoever get's in
So he blames the broadcasters for his offensive remarks; he blames the woman for asking an 'annoying question'; he blames the press for not allowing him to answer her questions; he blames his aide for allowing the woman to get near him. The one person he doesn't blame is himself. Why is it bigoted to ask Mr Brown questions which most of us would like to ask? Why is it bigoted to question why there are so many East Europeans flooding our country? I also think it perfectly acceptable for Brown to be shown up for the hypocrite he is - he's asking us to trust him, he's asking us to elect him as leader of our country and he's portraying himself as some kind of superior moral being.
Katie, London - yes we have heard what the lady said - she certainly wasn't a bigot. Anyone who votes for the despicable Brown truly needs a brain bypass !! It wasn't just his comment about the lady being a bigot, but he was very annoyed that he had had to speak to her at all. What was all that about "listening to the people". Just more lies from NuLabour. Meet someone who does not agree with him - never !!
Two faced BrownÂ’s true colours exposed for the nation to see, even hates his own supporters. This is nothing short of an outrage treating a voter with such hatred and disrespect. This should run and run though the coverage on the BBC has been damming on this man. Browns body language and reaction in the BBC radio studio was just as damming. This should not be forgotten at the election. Watch how the liebores now smear this woman in order to support Brown. Sickening.
It was his private conversation & therefore his opinion of the general public that raise questions & concerns about his policies & the aftermath of them. He & all politicians seem to think still that they are voted in for us to serve them, & not them serve us.
I'm not really a great fan of Gordon's. But can't see why he isn't allowed to express an opinion in private. The press are just out to get him. what a storm in a teacup. - MaryM, Manchester, 28/4/2010 13:21 I'm indifferent to Brown and the rest of them, to be frank. However, your comment is exactly the comment I made to my colleagues. The red arrows you have received will be from opposing party supporters, obviously, but as I don't support any of them, I can see with clarity that this is comment is fairly innocuous. 'Bigot' means a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong. Maybe this woman is a bigot! Brown is entitled to have an opinion after all, as we all are. Huge mountain / molehill situation.
Reminds me of the words in a Cyndi Lauper song - Your true colours True colours True colours are shining through
Making those comments should tell you all you need to know !! Maybe the PM & MPs' should be wired up 24/7. If they're as forgetful as the PM we'd have a field day. This must surely be the final nail !! Are you sure his name's Brown & not Clown? what a way to lose yet more Labour votes(hooray !!) Not long to go now. - Steve M,, Dulwich, not the posh part! SE London, hahah, that has really made me laugh, yeah he should be called Gordon Clown
Broon's reaction was absolutely typical Nulabour kneejerk to any of the "little people" who dare to disagree with them - Instant smear.
It's quite simple: she made bigoted remarks about immigrants, therefore she is a bigot. I don't see what the fuss is about. Brown should not have apologised - he was right. - Charlie, Soho, London, 28/4/2010 20:34 She asked about immigration and expressed her concerns. Where's the bigotry?
He's been caught out. This is how the marxist Labour party really think about ordinary people. It's sickening just now listening to Lord Mandleson being sanctimonious and making excuses for him. Goes to show how false Brown is and how much contempt they have for ordinary voters who call them to account for their failings on the issues, particularly immigration. Surprised he didn't call he a racist.
Many people it seems are getting caught up in the frenzy. We need people from wherever who are willing to work and contribute positively to the economy. If the lady realised the benefits she gets directly from thousands of 'immigrants' who not only pay tax and NI but contribute to the profitability of many businesses then she might not have such an outlook. What she might take issue with is the utter shambles of immigration and asylum processes in this country and Europe, which is not solely Brown's fault. So, depending on what was actually said, she may have accurately been labelled as a bigoted woman. Bigotry is by no means limited to ex-labour voters, by the way.
Just shows what Gordon thinks about the general public. All the politicians live on a different planet, and are all the same behind closed doors! That's definitely put Labour out of the running !
Gordon Brown will be in serious trouble with Lord Meddlesome, THE BOSS, for letting down Labour so near an election. Meddlesome said Brown is a compassionate man, that is why he throws printers, phones and anything close to hand at his office workers. HE IS A BIG BULLY WHEN THINGS DON'T GO HIS WAY.
If you are white and working class and worried about immigration and a normal Labour voter then this what your great leader thinks of you. You have no voice except to not vote for these morons again.
None of the leading political parties can deal with the problem of the open door policy to the 26 other EU countries. We have no control over our borders and we have to do as we are told. If 50 million or more EU citizens wanted to come here and claim child benefit (like the Poles did), we could not stop them. Incidentally, how many Poles who returned are still claiming it? That is the nonsense of the EU. Benits claimed in one country, should be paid for by the citizen's home country. We are just sitting here being milked by immigrants, who are laughing all the way to the bank.
Shows the level of contempt our politicians have for the people they are tryign to woo!!. Calling someone a bigot is nasty and a term usually associated with the followers of the BNP. Because Brown thought no one would hear his comments it makes it OK to say it!.....I do not think so!... I think his chickens will come home to roost after this. Politicians do not care about the public in general and only now they want our support are they showing this false caring attitude...as long as they get back into power that is all that matters. All good and well apologising after the fact...the apology cannot take back the hurt caused by his words.
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from? That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! On serious note though if Labour wins Im emigrating till next election. - Toby, london, 28/4/2010 I agree on both counts Toby. Her comment did sound funny, although you knew what she meant. The million in, million out, response doesn't really cut it - even if the figures are right (which I don't know if they are). Many of the million in will get help from the UK tax payers, and many of the million out will still have paid a lifetime of tax with a dwindling chance of seeing any benefit, so that is why they choose to leave in the hope for something better.
Brown will need a lobotomy for Labour to win the Election.
Get her on to the last Live Debate, and let her ask her question again! How will he react to a massive TV audience?
"All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?" Eastern Europe, I would imagine.
The national debt and how to pay it off ,and immigration from within the EU, the two subjects none of the candidates wish to discuss, why do the politicians treat the electorate as idiots, I can't wait to cast my vote and get this loser who wasn't elected out.
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from? That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! On serious note though if Labour wins Im emigrating till next election. - Toby, london, 28/4/2010 13:14 A bit ironic!
At last the real nu-labur comes out, if you disagree them you are bigotted. Brown is without doubt the worst PM this country as ever had, and the NL apologist Mendo is even more of a two faced toad.
It was interesting to actually see the David Vine interview with Brown, with Brown with his head in his hand. He knows the game is up, the truth always hurts, and now we have the evidence from Browns words in the back of a car, that what he says and thinks are two different matters. I'm afraid that the mask has slipped, and Brown has been caught out, just like when he gave his 'evidence' to Chilcot which he then had to correct. As for hard decisions, I thought he kept telling us that the hard decisions were sending soldiers to foreign fields. Still no deaths in Afghanistan since the election was called, still confined to barracks then.
What a vile man you are, Mr. Brown. Is that your twisted view of the world: all who dare question you are bigots and racists, even members of your own Labour party. You're as bad as Obama on that count. You need to retire, sir.
Moments after Mr Brown was bundled into his car he told an aide: 'That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous...'Asked what she had said, he replied: 'Everything, she was just a bigoted. Thank you Gordon you have shown your true colours again and you are probaly going to give us a "Hung Parliament" which is the last thing this contry needs, if it is any consolation the Knife in the back from Mandelson and the Millibland will be very sharp and pointed.
Gordon. I've got news for you. The majority of the citizens of this country must be bigoted if this is your criteria. The average person in this country is extremely concerned about the level of East European immigration which is undeniably taking up valuable jobs and putting unnecessary pressure on our countries social resources. We're a very welcoming people but the house is full and we've got to start looking after our own first. You living in your closeted world fail to see this, as do the LibDems and it appears the Tories. Mr Cameron. Give us a referendum and you will get in by a landslide.
Re. Emma of Derbyshire and not voting. I respect your right to take that option - it is your free choice and I can understand it given the incredible incompetence of Brown and his toadies combined with the poor quality of Cameron and Nick "I'll say anything which goes against my beliefs and actions to get power" Clegg. It is difficult when you are being asked to vote for anyone that you do not believe in. But by not voting, you may end up with the government that your apathy deserves and also deny yourself the right to complain about the numpties when they are in government. If you can't vote for someone, then vote against them.
You're a hero Mrs Duffy and Brown saying "who put me with that woman" how rude that man is. Yes, that woman is an ordinary real person Mr Brown, you know the sort you are always on about "real people", you're an utter disgrace. Immigration is a concern for most, even my aunt who came here in the 1950's from Jamaica said she is worried for her own grandchildren. It's not about who is it abour numbers coming into the UK.
this lady is spot on. She has expressed the concerns of many voters including Labour voters. The trouble with Brown and those around him is that they've forgotten that voters like Mrs Duffy have a vote and therefore the power to wash them down the drain of history. Come May 6 I will stop voting Labour as well. Brown, Balls, Meddleson and the rest of the jokers are dead men walking.
Well I dread to think what Gordon would call me. He is living in cloud cookoo land and he will do anything but admit that Immigration is one of the biggest concerns for this Country. He and his family are ok because he lives fenced and gated and he has no idea what is going on in the real world. Wake up Mr Brown but I think you have already missed the boat because I like a lot of people will be voting BNP. You and your fellow miscreants will be hounded out with any luck and time to start over. You make me sick
True liebore...........you as a voter in an area blighted by immegration ask a reasonable question and liebores response.........you are a bigot, if you dare to disagree with liebore they call you names, and blacken your name ( no pun intended )
Gillian Duffy for PM VOTE DUFFY!!
He's not sorry, he's just sorry he was caught out, especially with the election next week. Well done Gordon. It couldn't have happened to a nicer man.
Until the questions this lady asked are answered truthfully by politicians the country will continue o be them and us society. it is obvious Brown does not give a toss for the fears of the average voter, and Clegg would have us superglued to Europe. Cameron worries me in that he also is sitting on the fence re issues that deeply concern the public, that is, Europe, Immigration, Human rights, Political correctness, weak justice system etc etc.
This is what is thought of all of us really, we don't matter just get our votes to keep their wages that they get off our taxes, Tony Bliar was exactly the same with me a few years ago, disgusting that they don't really care, we are just an inconvienience the rest of the time to them.
All I can say is sheÂ’d better hope they donÂ’t get back in power; they have a terrible habit of destroying those who challenge their perceived orthodoxy. DoesnÂ’t matter if you are a venerable pensioner in hospital or a lifelong Labour supporter at a conference. If they can smear you, they will.
Brown must have been purple with rage but he is red faced now. I bet Cameron is in the pink right now not green with envy of an unelected Prime Minister with a yellow streak running down his back! The true colours of Labour mention immigration and you are a racist or a bigot. Get this horrible bafoon and his useless ministers out now!
I should think anyone who disagrees with Gordon Brown will be called all sorts of names by him. He is perfect in his disolusioned mind. Only a few more days then we will see the back of him.
Eventually the truth is out. What a horrible man Brown is, at least this should seal his fate. It will be wonderful when he and his corrupt party perish at the elections.
What surprises me most is he is obviously getting his aides to filter people who will only represent him in a good light and don't have tough questions. Seems to me that if they did their job right he' not be saying much. What a complete idiot.
He is just a Prime Idiot.
so? is he not allowed an opinion? - catherine, manchester, 28/4/2010 12:46 He is but obviously we are not. If he thought she was a bigot, why not say it to her face as opposed to behind her back. Brown is a two faced back stabbing liar, all nice to your face to get your vote and behind your back, actually despises you. Mrs. Duffy made relevant points while Brown just waffled and took her to be one of his bog standard voters by stating "a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way". Pull the other one Gordon.
TRUE BROWN---Offensive and rotten to the core,,an ignorant neanderthal!
So you're a bigot, are you, if you DARE to raise issues, that concern all of us, with the PM? Mrs. Duffy appeared to be a reasonable and articulate person - how dare that bully consider her to be intolerant. For one thing, he doesn't live in Rochdale ... I've just checked the kitchen calendar again - just seven (complete) days left before the 6th. Our poll cards are at the ready - am going with UKIP. I'm formerly Labour, too - now "very" formerly ...
So why was a question about immigration "Annoying"? Surely if he has no problem with the levels of immigration he has allowed to happen under this government then he could have dealt with that in his interview rahter than describing the question as "annoying". The only reson why it would be "annoying" is because he realses that any justification he can put to what's happened in the last 13 years can in no way mitigate the problem it has caused.
When big Gordon finally goes to hell he wont have a leg to stand on neither an arm to wave goodbye... hell is filled with chunky decent types like him... !
You know Gordon is really putting off the usual Labour voters, with his lack of acknowledgement that there is an immigration problem from those from within the poorer EEC countries and third world countries. I disagree that there have been 1 million people leaving these shores to counter these immigrants. I would Like to see proof of these fanciful figures and where does he or his madarins manufacture them from? There also the immigrants we don't count, those that come here through education Visa's doing courses like Lion taming! or Zoology and then doing a disappearing act into society. It just shows that he has no idea what the bread and butter people of this country are concerned about and could not give a fig anyway!
Brown said: 'It was a question about immigration that I think was annoying" - so called her a bigot for daring to even raise the question of immigration. This simply confirms what the sane in this country have known for years - if you question the mass immigration there has been into the UK over the last few years you're accused of being bigoted or racist.
Gordon still gets my vote, a comment he made was in private. Gets it was the wrong thing to say but how many of us have said something in private we should not of.
Well doesnt this prove what an ignorant idiot gormless brown is. He has no concerns for the ordinary folk in this country. This incident certainly has lost him some votes. I can't wait only 8 days to go til his fate is decided. Goodbye liebour.
I am sure he wishes he hadn't said it but, what did she say? She is in Rochdale so she is half way to being a bigot. Strong BNP area.
It doesn't really matter what he says now it's over and out for him anyway!
O, give the man a break!!! He patiently answered all her questions but she did not bother to listen to him for a second..... ha ha...for the first time I like him.
The only bigot in town is Brown. Why can't you treat your citizens like grown ups ? Britain is sucking up to the US and is doing what the US wants her too. USA want to see an enlarged Europe (including Turkey and Ukraine), with a chief aim to weaken and encircle Russia. As a sweetener, eastern European states have to offer something to their citizens and that something is freedom of movement. Britain is the main advocate of Turkey's membership, as well. Remember that. The main opponents of enlargement are France and Germany and it is in Britain's interest to weaken that alliance by expanding the EU. Why can't you just be honest, Mr. Brown ?
"Shadow Chancellor George Osborne said Gordon Brown's comments speak for themselves: 'We have found out the Prime Minister's internal thoughts. I think they speak for themselves. 'The Prime Minister has got a lot of explaining to do. I think he certainly should apologise. The thing about general elections is that they reveal the truth about people.'" They do indeed George. Maybe that's why the Tories have been hiding you away eh?
I think this is ridiculous. He made an off the cuff remark that she was bigoted.. to be honest, I'm not so sure he was wrong actually.. there is an awful lot of bigotry about things such as immigration etc but thats beside the point. The lady was taking him to task on a number of subjects and this happens a lot. There is much egging on by the press packs at these events to put awkward questions or making embarrassing comments to the party leaders and its all wrong. Gordon Brown is a person. He's allowed his opinion as is anyone else... that woman was very quick to tell him how rubbish she thought he was and she wasnt shy about telling him off in public. Brown has done what anyone else would.. he got in his car and sounded off to the person sat next to him. If anyone thinks that Clegg or Cameron dont do that too then they're deluded. He's even apologised for it already.. I feel sorry for him.
The woman was asking questions that a lot of the voters would like to ask, and Gormless shows his true colours, that must mean that a lot of voters are, in his words "bigots", mind you what I think of gormless is not printable!
Brown stated back in March 2010. "Gordon Brown is insisting he will continue as Labour leader even if the party is defeated in the general election". Keep on dreaming Gordon, after today's events I don't think you'll be the Labour leader before the election! .
Brown's true colours have finally come out. The more I hear with all the bullying claims etc the more I don't want a PM like that. I saw that interview, she is an ordinary widow pensioner who was talking to him about issues she was concerned about, & so are many people. Brown looked very uneasy as he doesn't really like mixing with the great unwashed. Only ones who are happy,clappy & know their place. It is concerning that by her mentioning immigration & her concern for her grandchildren she is immediately labeled a bigot. No Mr Brown you & your party are the bigots for not allowing people to air opinions that don't fit in with the agenda you are forcing upon us all.
Let's see how Browns boys spin him out of this one!
Brown is being lambasted to the high Heavens and rightly so for HIS bigotted mindset... Not too many indigenous Brits in the street who are not, with justification, asking the same question Immigration, Immigration, Immigration... Howerever he in NOT the only guilty one... I firmly believe that Cameron and Clegg inhabit the same cosseted World, where the issue of Employment, Hospital appointments, Housing, Drug addiction, Knife crime, Walking the streets in safety do not bother them. May not happen today or tomorrow but just wait until the day comes when one of those issues affects them or their children, that will be the day THEY will face up to the truth. Until that happens, I for one, will spoil my ballot paper rather than vote for Brown or any of the 'Old 3'...
Vote labour and this is what you will get. A party that knowingly lies to you. Clegg is supporting labour so no matter if you vote labour or lib dem you will get clown Brown.
He's an unpatriotic oaf, and he's only 'sorry' that he was caught out! Whatever happened to meeting 'ordinary' people, and what's the point if they have to be had picked by an aide?
Hahaha! No wonder the rest of the Labour party are planning a mutiny. Gordon's a liability to his own party! Byebye Mr Brown...
His remark clearly shows what Mr.Brown and Labour intend to do about immigration, sweet FA!!!!
To him the electorate is a necessary evil .....till after May 6th. In your dreams, Gordon ! IF the voters don't boot you out, your cronies surely will !!
Moments after Mr Brown was bundled into his car he told an aide: 'That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? The last part of his comment "who's idea was that" shows Brown as he trully is, instantly looking for someone to blame. He cannot face the truth and everyone knows it, he should call it a day and go, this will have Mandelson and the Milliblands rubbing their hands with glee and spending more time sharpening the knife for Gormless Gordons back.
Here's a line from their favourite '97 anthem - THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER!
What if she was/is a bigot? Can't he say it as it is? At least he's not a patronising posh boy
I wonder what Brown said about Blair in private ?
We don't want your pathetic apologies Brown, we want the immigration stopped and for you to disappear to the dark side of the Moon; preferably without a space suit.
Just goes to show Labour in their true colours and when a politician is put on the spot by a disgruntled voter and the qustion is not scrutinised beforehand, they haven't got a clue as how to handle it.
The thing that gets me is that the odious little twerp just thinks it's ok to ring and apologise as if nothing had happened. He treats the public like idiots - well prepare for the backlash on May 6th.
This is not a party partisan political comment and is aimed at all political leaders of any party who are there to serve the people of this country and consider our opinions with respect even if they do not agree with them. RESIGN.
'I apologise IF I have said anything like that' 'Delusional as ever when there's a live recording of him calling a pensioner a bigoted woman. What part of IF doesn't this idiot not understand. Brown has re-defined the English Dictionary in so manner ways swapping lies for mistakes, smears for forgetfulness and now actual speech for conjected speech.' Couldn't agree more, there was no IF about it. He said it and it was captured for everyone to hear, and then even the apology is half-hearted.
A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Sounds like most DM readers to me
The truth is that Brown has been caught out by accident, he is like them all, they want your vote but they treat the electorate, the taxpayers with utter contempt. Brown is, indeed a buffoon, I don't think he is the only one. This is, however, the moment, the pivotal part of the election, it looks to me like it's going to move from hung to decisive. Are Cameron and Clegg any better? they probably make sure their microphones are switched off before insulting voters!
Definition of a bigot, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group...with hatred and intolerance. I'm confused -- who's the bigot in this story, exactly?
The problem with All politicians is that when they talk about capping immigration they are talking about people from Africa and Asia whereas most working class people want to cap all immigration especially the unfettered numbers flooding this country from Eastern Europe.
Yesterday, after Cameron was lambasted by the father of a disabled child about tory policy ,does anyone seriously think that he didn't make any "private comments" to his band acolytes? the only difference is he didn't have a mic on!
Gordon Browns biggest mistake is to allow the Tory media to divert attention from the main issues and instead concentrate on trivialities which suits the opposition.
This great brooding Stalinist is completely unfit for office. What has he ever achieved that is worthwhile-nothing ? What damage has he done- enormous.
I have just watched the whole thing on the news. This woman was airing concerns about the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, a matter which concerns many British people. Does that mean we are all bigots? He is an ignoramus who does not value British heritage, culture or religion. Thank God he will not still be in power come May 7th. This country is in this mess largely because we house these Eastern Europeans, we send child benefit and tax credits to their families even though they do not all live in this country, our schools and NHS are under threat due to the large influx and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BRITISH WORKERS HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS TO THEM. BIGOTTED - NO. FED UP WITH BEING TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY - YES.
The man's a sociapath, blames everybody but himself and lies constantly. He puts on a pretend smile (which everybody can see through) and is a bully. Who on earth would vote him back in? Come on you Labour voters get rid of him!
Eh? Normally the DM bleats on about political correctness gone mad when people are condemmed for what language they use: "Oh, you can't say anything these days without offending someone". So, what's the difference here?
I think this lady was expressing the opinions of many people living in this country, does that mean Gordon Brown thinks they are all Bigots also. It seems to me he is still not aware of the true opinions of the people, when he is confronted by someone who asks a difficult question this is how he reacts. Does this man deserve to lead this country?
Is this Gordon showing his 'substance'. I suspect it might be. He really is a deeply flawed man. Very much needs getting rid of.
The day Gordon came face to face with his nemesis. And the lady was one of his voters, which made it even worse. Goodbye Gordon, this incident in your career proves to us just how useless you really have been. You were a train crash waiting to happen, and it just so happens that it happened today. Good riddance!
I think Prince Phillip should be made to take a paternity test. He must be Gordon Brown's dad.
Wait .. whats that noise I can hear ? Ah I know .. its the fat lady singing bye bye Labour
Finally...... proof positive, from the man himself. Just listened to it on the BBC and also listened to Brown on BBC2 trying to explain it. - john, preston,uk, Two points: 1. If the BBC were as biased in favour of Labour as most on here think, they wouldn't be reporting this at all would they? In fact, it's the lead story on the website. With a video. 2. I didn't think anyone on here liked so-called 'Political Correctness'? Why can't someone come out and say what they think? Or do I have it wrong and PC is only 'anything I don't like'. certainly looks that way to me. Very funny though - like an extract from The Thick Of It.
We now have it straight from the horses mouth just how two faced he is. He says one thing to your face and the opposite behind your back. No wonder his father had to keep drilling it into him - 'Tell the truth Gordon - tell the truth'. it's a pity the self righteous hypocrite didn't take his father's sound advice.
Mr Brown said a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way. ----------------------- Yes Mr Brown, but the million Britons you talk about did not arrive in 'ONE' country alone - those Britons have gone to various countries throughout Europe - that's the difference!! AND the reason those Britons have left anyway is because you have ruined this 'once great' country, and they no longer felt Britain was their home anymore. SAD.
I loved the way Brown reacted to this on radio. It was a typical hypocritical reaction from a politician caught out. He immediately apologised but failed to really grasp what he had done. I suspect that later today the aide responsible for pushing this lady in front of Brown will receive the full force of his well-documented temper. This woman's reaction was, perhaps understandably, an emotional one but and to not send off your postal vote because of one impromptu meeting with Gordon Brown only damages democracy. Hopefully she will think about it before making up her mind finally and, if she doesn't see Labour providing solutions to the mess they have led us into, she should vote for another party. It is vital that people do actually exercise their right to vote. To just abstain is not good for this country. Perhaps we should have to pay a fine if we can't be bothered to think about our Government and vote.
What's new? We all (bar the dyed in the wool Lib/Dems and Labour voters who are effectively tied by virtue of their dependence upon Political Correctness, Human Rights, jobs for the boys and social security) that these two parties represent more immigration, more integration with Europe. How they are as high in the polls as they are absolutely astounds me. Must be the wonderful education system Labour have dumbed us down with.
How dare somebody mention the immigrants flooding our country many for a free ride when all the talk is about tightening our belts and making cuts!
"Accosted"...I don't think so - his own comments even show that her heckling was set-up by themselves... "'That was a disaster. You should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? ItÂ’s Sue [Nye, a Brown election aide] I think. ItÂ’s just ridiculous." "'I mean it's just ridiculous. I don't know why Sue brought her up towards me.'" ....just funny to see how he can't even manage to get something right, which staged by his own people!!
A real human pops up into his choreographed walk about and asks a few real questions raising real concerns and it all falls apart. He looked shocked that the normally tame media dared to do this to him. Must be his turn to be tossed aside like old socks. Step up next puppet prime minister please
I commented months ago that 'the truth will out' and here we have confirmation of it. Gordon McBroon will go down in history as the only Prime Minister the UK ever had where not one single member of the largest country in the Union - England - voted for him. If anybody needed it we now have proof that there is only one thing these people are interested in and that is maintaining their very considerable noses in the very considerable trough of taxpayer pounds. I now simply do not believe that there can STILL be 30 odd % of the people of this country who can STILL be contemplating voting for Labour. We should ALL vote to get 646 Independent candidates into the House of Commons and consign party politics to the grave FOREVER!
What a wonderful revelation. Proof, if proof were needed, that the public and private faces of Brown are totally different. How typical of this government to hold the belief that anyone who has genuine concerns about their open-door immigration policy is a 'bigot' or 'racist'. Roll on 6th May!
Like many others I was unecided about wether I would even vote after the expenses debarcle. This boob by Mr Brown has shown me that all the TV debates mean nothing, as MP's will not listen to the general public's opinions, and disregard anything that they disagree with personally. I think my mind is made up.
Well that settles it. According to brown at least 75% of the population are bigots.
I'm actually delighted he said that, as he has well and truly put the final nail in his own coffin!
Ha, ha! Well said Gordon! I'm sorry but anyone who comes out with "all these Eastern Europeans, where are they coming from?" more than likely is an ignorant biggot! GB you've just gone up in my estimations! VOTE LABOUR!
Poor 'old' Sue..............................that's increased the unemployment numbers by one!!
Anyone who has driven by the Polish War Memorial in West London will be only too well aware of the time when the UK was very glad to welcome East Europeans.
Well we havent heard the conversation yet have we - she might well have been. - Katie, London, 28/4/2010 12:59 Yes, it's possible. It's more likely that she was expressing the view that most people in this country share, that in times of high unemployment and recession it is madness to give jobs to economic migrants who take money out of our economy - but she could have been a bigot, true.
Hopefully this will kill Brown's campaign. Typically Brown thinks he can just apologise and move on whereas he's been shown to be the bigotted idiot! It really takes the biscuit that he thinks he can simply blame the broadcasters.
Even though she is a Labour voter, she is saying things we all want to ask him about. Yet all he can do is brush her off as a bigot and racist. FACT, there are far too many foreign nationals in this country, legal and illegal. I went to Cambridge yesterday, and in one street, I never heard anyone speak English, it was FULL of Polish and other undesireables. No wonder many Labour supporters are defecting to BNP, when it should be UKIP.
Labour hates English people. Vote BNP to save our country.
She probably is a bigot
She is not a bigot she is merely stating what the silent majority have thought for a long time - but of course Labour have managed to stamp out, threaten and prosecute anyone who dares have an opinion other than their own - well the gloves are off and most people don't give a toss about keeping secret anymore because we have reached crisis point!
bigoted woman. look who talking
Feel sorry for the lady in question but that is Labour for you anyone talking about Immigration was branded a Bigot or one of these which means the sanme thing really Diehard,Extremist,Dogmatist,Hypocrite,Chauvinist And if that did not work Smear. And so they effectively did to Ken Clarke, and various other politicians who wanted a sensible debate about immigration 13 years ago. This tactic is also used by anyone on the street who do not want to talk about the subject, therefore no one talked about it for fear of being called a racist. And guess what more immigrants in this country are calling Brits Bigots to stop the issue being raised how wierd is that.
'[Mr Brown said a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way.' Brown you flaming idiot it's ok is it for Intelligent, educated, law abiding, financially stable Brits to get out , and be replaced by anyone from all corners of the globe who do not match up to these requirements is it? NO IT ISN"T What is happening to OUR country? Please wake up and vote fot the ONLY party putting Brits and British first, I don't have to tell you who they are, you know.
Gordon brown the clown is a two faced bigot and he knows we all know this. He is a liar he is a bully and, he is not a leader. The lady had genuine concerns and he has proved time and time again he does not care what the british people think. Well come may 6th we will show him that it really does matter what the british people think. He alone is pushing life long labour voters into voting for other parties or not voting at all. What a prat
Hilarious !!! Bless him he is such a Jonah - whatever can go wrong does !!!!
Just the confirmation everyone needed, anyone who dares to talk about immigration is branded a bigot or a racist. With an attitude like Browns it is clear he has absolutely no intention of trying to sort this immigration disaster so to vote him back in would signal the beginning of the end for Britain, thats if it isnt too far gone already which i suspect it is. I will not be voting for any of the three main parties they are all one and the same anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves.
I am certianly not a fan of Gordon Brown but he was exactly right. From those comments she sounds exactly like a bigot.
Cameron wouldn't have dismissed her like Brown did. At least Cameron sat down with the father and son yesterday and discussed the education question that was put to him. Cameron cares, Gordon well you've all seen what he thinks of us.
oooopsadaisy...
Go for it Gordon, problem is in yorkshire, straight speaking is just another way of saying rude speaking.... don't blame the global recession on workers from eastern europe...its worldwide...its not confinded to any nation state... - ADRIAN, DALBEATTIE, 28/4/2010 13:01 Adrian er last time I looked Rochdale was in Greater Manchester/Lancashire, obviously if you can't get that right then why should we take notice of your opinions on the recession which virtually EVERY country has emerged from a lot stronger than US so gormless must have done something wrong, NO?????
I'm warming to Gordon B more and more as the campaign goes on. I'm glad he shares my concerns about the bigotry and mono-mindedness that blights Britain. We all know that if Sky has similar off-guard comments made by Cameron and Osborne they will not publish them. Vote Cameron and get Murdoch - if you think being in the EU is bad I hope you are looking forward to becoming a colony for the benefit of Australian and US owned businesses.
The definition of bigot is : obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions : a bigoted group of reactionaries. • expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance : a thoughtless and bigoted article. An accurate description of someone elses behaviour is not an insult, Gordon Brown was just calling the kettle black. That lady is a biggot, and so are the majority of politicians and to a greater or lesser extent, we are all bigots.
How Gordon must regret meeting 'real' people. Far safer to stick to hand-picked party drones.
This is hilarious - where is Malcolm Tucker (Thick of It) when you need him. Gordon Brown is not up to modern, hi-tech political campaigning - how on earth could he FORGET he was wearing a mic? The lady involved did herself no favours by heckling the PM from across the street, but I feel sorry for her because she will now be targeted by the media which, as an ordinary citizen, should not be allowed to happen. Poor GB - he has lost all the 'bigot' votes in the UK.
It at least shows the contempt that Brown feels for the average English person. The lady deserved more respect that Brown showed her, but typically he smiled to her face, and ripped her to pieces behind what he thought were closed doors.
And that is exactly why Meddlesome tried so hard to keep McBroon away from the public!
But Mrs Duffy is right, no one talks seriously about unfettered immigration and whilst she was correct about the 1 million Eastern Europeans she forgot to mention the 5 million people from the Indian sub-continent and parts of Africa!! However, this shows Brown in his true colours, someone who has done his utmost to undermine the nation and society with his immigration policy.
Disgraceful comment calling her a bigot. I think most of the public would say what Mrs Duffy said, so most of us must be bigots as well then !! What an insult & an embarrassingly huge own goal !! He said he was doing the broadcaster a "favour" by leaving his mike on. What????? It almost looked like he held his head in his hands when told to listen to the recording. The look on his face was one of sheer horror. Making those comments should tell you all you need to know !! Maybe the PM & MPs' should be wired up 24/7. If they're as forgetful as the PM we'd have a field day. This must surely be the final nail !! Are you sure his name's Brown & not Clown? what a way to lose yet more Labour votes(hooray !!) Not long to go now.
Has Broon blamed the USA for his comment yet?
This just shows what HIS true character really is and JUST what HE thinks of the General Public And HE expects people to VOTE for that NO WAY He has shown what a ignorant person he is and shoild NOT be the PM any more and NOT his Party
tbh look at the man, he needs to step down and take a break, lets remember what state the country was in when brown took charge
The man is human and makes mistakes. Do you really think the other two have not thought similar things; the only difference is that they haven't been caught! Watch Cameron on the BBC being attacked over his plans on special needs education in mainstream schools or lack thereof. It was pretty disappointing to watch Mr Cameron defend a flawed policy contrary to what the parent wanted for his child.
David Cameron should send Mrs Duffy a big bunch of flowers for all the votes that she has just sent his way.
Good for him. She sounded a real pain. The public wanted to hear honesty - they got it. He only got caught saying what the majority of politicians think. Just when his ratings were on the up too. No doubt this will be front-page for all the pro-Tory media.
I agree with the sentiments of Emma from Derbyshire none of them are worth voting for. Sadly we have to select one of the unworthies or abstain. There should be a box at the bottom of the list labelled 'none of the above'. I bet that would be the winner.
Amazing. It was like something from The Thick of It. He may as well have gone and handed the keys to No.10 to David Cameron personally.
Well, he has certainly shot himself in the foot that's for sure. This man could not care less for the ordinary folk if the UK. I really can't wait to see the back of him.
We have seen Labour's attitude towards dissent before, though, haven't we? Remember the Polish pensioner in his 80s (who had been a Labour Party member for over 40 years) who was frogmarched out of the Labour conference a couple of years ago because he heckled one of the cabinet when he was speaking. We have also seen how Labour smear anybody who disagrees with them - General Dannatt for example when he said that the government had underfunded the forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. The business leaders who backed the Conservatives' opposition to Labour's increase in NI contributions were described as "deluded" by Lord Mandelson even though they would have made their fortunes with sound business sense. Gordon Brown can apologise and say that he didn't mean this or that as much as he likes but he can't undo what he said and he has just cost himself yet another vote. If this is what he does to committed supporters, he has no chance with the floaters. Keep it up, Gordon!
Time to say cheque please !!
Well??? What did SHE say??? Either gives us the whole story or don't bother at all! - Stevie, Liverpool, UK, 28/4/2010 12:41 It doesn't matter what she said, it speaks volume about the contempt that Brown has for the electorate.
problem is in Yorkshire, straights peaking is just another way of saying rude speaking. Adrian, Dalbeattie 13.01 Rochdale is in Lancashire always has been.
I always thought he was a thoroughly nasty man, it also goes to show that no matter what he say's about immigration or what we think about it he will never do anything to stop it, the man is an out and out lier. I am sick of hearing about how as the son of a clergy man he was brought up to tell the truth and have values. I feel so sorry for the lady involved she must be feeling very hurt, but she has done a wonderful thing she has shown blinkered people the true Gordon Brown. She deserves a medal.
Hilarious! Labour spent the first half of the campaign shuffling Brown between "safe houses" - sorry, meeting ordinary people - all of whom were handpicked Labour supporters. Then when they decide it's OK to let him meet the real public, he produces this. Look's like Mandy's strategy was right after all. Back to the safe houses for you, Gordon.
Oh, Bob Roberts, when will you appear to defend your idol?
I heard the clip and thought he sounded quite reasonable. Could have been a lot worse!
Truth will out and Liebors media hack Alistair will try to say that Gordo can have private opions which do not conflict with his running the Country I don't think. So that is it Labour don't consider there 13 years of government to have created any problems at all there all just made up by the media.
Hilarious. I almost feel sorry for him.
I agree with the sentiments of Emma from Derbyshire none of them are worth voting for. Sadly we have to select one of the unworthies or abstain. There should be a box at the bottom of the list labelled 'none of the above'. I bet that would be the winner.
Quite clearly the woman's views on immigration WERE bigoted. If Brown had any sincerity and character, he should have stuck by his views, and said, "I'm sorry. I know we can't agree, but her views on immigration are bigoted." That's slightly different to calling her a bigot, but far better than an insincere telephone apology. The apology just means, "I'm sorry I got caught out." When I used to canvass door to door for a political party, when someone put forward racist views, I politely told them they were racist. Sometimes they respected me for what I was saying, and still voted for me (as a local councillor). What really sticks in people's gullets is HYPOCRISY and this is exactly what Brown has just demonstrated par excellence.
As much as I'd like to think this was the end of Brown and Labour, I don't think it will make a blind bit of difference. This event will just fly over the heads of the masses of Labour voters who only watch Jeremy Kyle, X Factor and What Katie Did Next on TV, and only look at the pictures on the back page of The Daily Mirror.
Did he ever hear the phrase "You don't bite the hand that feeds you"? Gordon Brown's mask has slipped ,he is finished , Labour are out. Thankyou Mrs Duffy.
It illustrates perfectly what a nasty piece of work this man is.
She wasn't actually targeted though was she? It was a private comment, made in frustration that was clearly not meant for broadcast.
It takes one to know one!
Direct message to Gordon: Gordon, you are a national embarrassment. you should fall on your sword immediately. Unfortunately you'd probably miss and headbutt the sideboard. - Bob, Mercia, 28/4/2010 13:11 Thanks Bob, your comment has cheered me up no end :-)
Are we surprised ? This lady has done the nation a great service in exposing slobbish nature of this man and his party.No wonder the spin doctors have been keeping him away from us.
If people make bigotted comments then its perfectly natural to comment on them but not usually face to face - lets have some honesty we all do it!!
Sadly with the lady asking all those questions about taxes, national debt etc.. the only one Brown was interested in was immigration and even then he ignored the personal concern of a member of the British public. THIS MAN SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED NEVER MIND BE PM. Brown is a disgrace to the position of PM. He is clearly seen here acting as a 2 faced politician - and so disgracing Parliament. But above all - not much interest in the national debt - as with the other two leaders as well. Britian is lost!
Mr. Brown, have you never heard of the saying...... " It,s better to keep your mouth shut.....and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it " When a British citizen asks any politician a question, they are entitled to an answer...after all WE PAY THEIR WAGES !!! How dare Brown, call someone a bigot, just because they ask a question that he doesn,t like. This just about sums up, what our TRAITOR politicians really think of the British people.
What a wonderful, clear lady reflecting how so many of the population feel. Brown is really in outer space and has no idea about this country. He is condescending and never admits his own faults. Many seniors will be watching this. So spin this one Mandy.
"All those Eastern european people where are they coming from"? Eastern europe by any chance! Do we know how many British people live and work abroad - would be good to see those statistics for once. We only ever see or hear about one side of the coin.
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon, 28/4/2010 14:00 Tune into Sky News they're giving everything equal coverage, the original conversation with Mrs Duffy, his off the camera comments, her reaction, his supposed apology. Mrs Duffy comes out of the whole thing on top actually she nails it completely when she says that it proves what we all know, the government have no idea what the ordinary person is thinking in the UK or what they have to live with on a daily basis. As to Mr Browns answer that 1 million Eastern Europeans coming into the UK is balanced by 1 million people from the UK going to live in Europe. Does not take into account that the people livingin Europe do not automatically qualify for benefits, as immigrants to the UK do. I beliee the UK is the only country in Europe where this happens.
It's quite simple: she made bigoted remarks about immigrants, therefore she is a bigot. I don't see what the fuss is about. Brown should not have apologised - he was right.
Nu Labour's definition of bigot is anyone who defeats them in an argument.
he is a very aggressive arrogant bully that does not tell the truth/ he should never been in the job in the first place..........
Oh Gordon, you really are useless.
hehehe, I don't think GB really wants to be PM! Poor dear, must be crumbling over all the stress of the disaster that he has caused to this once great nation. Hope you have booked the removal van for next week Mr Brown!
Well, to be honest, he was right, she was. What she was coming out with disgraceful. Unfortunately Gordon was heard voicing his thoughts off camera. Sorry Gordon, but you're not allowed to be human. Do you really think for one minute any of the leaders have nothing but pretty and nice thoughts in their minds?
The Brown Broadcasting Corporation already apologising and making excuses!!
As a British citizen living in Europe I can see what the PM was getting at by saying: you can't expect the British to have freedom of movement in Europe without having other European nations enjoying freedom of movement in Britain. He maybe shouldn't have referred to her as a 'biggot' though. That is a bit strong. She just suffers from migrant-phobia, no doubt more as a result of media influence than personal experience. Actually Gordon Brown answered her questions well during the interview and should have kept his personal reflections on her to himself afterwards. The newspapers will have a field day blowing it all out of proportion. Another golden opportunity to knock the PM's campaign. I'll still vote Labour!
Brilliant. Literally the first decent comments IÂ’m ever heard from Brown. If only he was that candid in public he would not have been such a terrible PM.
No-one gets called a bigot without reason, she was talking about immigrants and benefit scroungers in the same sentence. Many scroungers are British. I think she was saying more than she's letting on now.
The laughable thing here is that by referring to her as a bigoted 'woman' rather than a bigoted person he unconsciously shows himself to be a bigot and probably a misogynist (something I've always suspected about him). What has her being a woman got to do with anything, Gordon?
I thought this woman, Mrs Murphy was a good representative of the public. She was not a bigot in any way. Gordon Brown is a plonker who has underestimated public feeling on immigration, education and health policies.
This excuse for a man only apologised because he was caught. He's nothing but a bully and a coward
She went to him to ask questions, and when he tried to answer, she started walking away... Yes she is bigoted as she does not listen except to her own views.
'But of course I apologise if I had said anything that has been offensive...' if,,,if,,,if,,, no Brown, you DID ! I'm tired of hearing this guy apologising in the same sentence as denying all knowledge of anything that he has done. Also, why does a concern about immigration suddenly become bigotry, racism or xenophobia ?
He was right though wasn't he? She is bigoted, trying to blame it on the East Europeans rather than the feckless residents of the UK. I thought we wanted honesty in our politicians - when one is honest then it backfires?
If the comments had been made by a candidate seking election for the first time, he would have been dismissed instantly.
The fact is our so called leaders are the bigots. They choose to discriminate and resettle people from overseas at the expense of its own people. I say resettlement the leaders say asylum and refugee to overcome any legal comeback . The truth is there has never been a need to import people. There has been a need to educate its people and not to import someone with existing qualifications. To sustain existing communities instead of expecting people to move enmass to new communities, instead they import labour without any ties to take up the work.
Thirteen years with an enormous majority and here we are,, again. Lunatic labour are a national disaster.
ONLY SORRY YOU GOT CAUGHT!!!
Reminds me of a song "True Colours" Why don't people wake up and see what he is about it's not service to the uk but self service and power
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from Errrrr... have a guess
Obviously a set-up. How low will the opposition go?
This demonstrates the obvious - that what politicians say in public -whether directly or via Paxman and other media reporters - is of no interest or value. What is important is what they really think or say in private. Goodbye Brown.
Sorry Mr Brown she is not a bigoted woman. She was just bringing up the policies that the British public are worried about. There are too many illegal immigrants, too many people on welfare benefits sponging off the tax payer and you have the cheek to call us bigoted. I hope that loses you even more votes you bigoted individual.
'That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous...' Asked what she had said, he replied: 'Everything, she was just a bigoted woman. Is that what is known as ‘foot in mouth disease’? “The Prime Minister, who quickly apologised after being played the recording in a radio interview, was accosted by Mrs Duffy in the street after visiting a community payback scheme in Rochdale”. He’s missing the point – he shouldn’t have said it in the first place and secondly would he have done so if he hadn’t been told that it was recorded? No of course not – it is a little too little and a whole lot too late. Well I guess that’s one more person who will not be voting Labour then. Why doesn’t Gordon just fall on his sword and admit – I am incompetent and have been for the last 13 years. He would get far more respect from me if he did that – not my vote, but some respect. 8 days and counting!
Typical of labour and brown as soon as he is questioned by an non hand picked voter he is worse the usless
A pure "Gerald Ratner " moment .
Well there you have it' once again this is what Labour think of their voters' bigots, coffin dodgers' Just who would be stupid enough to vote for them
For years whenever any questions were asked about immigration, no matter how reasonable, the answer from the Labour left was 'Racist' (now read biggot). Recently, Labour realised they have a problem with the 'working class' having taken them for granted. Now their concerns are legitimate, or so is said in public. But the truth is that in private the Labour elite treat this section of society with contempt.
Mrs Duffy for President!!!!!!!!!!!
Gordon is a moron! How will Meddlesome spin this one!
Of course, Mr Brown 'can' say that, he no doubt walks the through the immigrant areas regulary without his bodyguards..Er, or does he?
The real Gordon Brown raises his head!! The majority of this country is very worried about the amount of immigrants legal & illegal in this country, and because of them it has a knock on effect to everything else, NHS; schools; jobs, benefit claims; crime etc. I've just listened to Brown on Jeremy Vine and he said that there was less unemployment now than in 1997, what planet does he live on. Unemployment figures may be down but what list have these people been moved to. Roll on the day when we get the true figures from whoever takes over in No. 10 on May 7th. Please don't let it be GB again.
Classic Gordon Brown, I hope his comments lose him at least the Rochdale seat.
no one needs to comment on this, this is the end of brown, there can be no excuses.
Oh dear! Gordy's been caught out telling the truth! After smarming all over this Labour-supporting woman, telling her what a 'good woman' she was and all the other platitudes he synthetically lays-on, he get's back in the car, and upbraids his aides for getting him mixed-up with some 'bigoted woman' who dared complain about his immigration splurge! Well done Gordy, for confirming what we all expected - that he tried to make immigration an 'untouchable' topic and to label anyone who criticises it a 'bigot' or a 'racist'! Congratulations to that lady for making him answer for the policies that most of us disagree with, and for confirming that he is the Jekyll and Hyde character we all suspected - nice and smarmy in public but spiteful and vindictive in reality!
If she is a bigot, then she in the majority. All politicians should take heed, the majority don't want immigrants, you ignore it at your peril.
Typical of Gordon Brown. Anyone who questions Labour's terrible immigration policy is labelled a bigot. I will definately be voting UKIP.
Go on Brown. Reading about the issues she was raising, i.e Eastern European workers, she probably was a bigoted women. Old people expect to get away with holding racist and bigoted views because "it was different in their time" they need to catch up with the 21st century
He keeps making the same quote about a million eastern European's here for a million of us in Europe. Surely someone needs to point out that 1 million in our small country verses 1 miliion Britains scattered all over Europe is not the same thing!
He'll sleaze his way out of it like he always does. Just shows the contempt in which Labour holds the electorate.
I dread to think what he's said about the rest of us... So, Brown turned his back on the UK and ruined our economy, I'm guessing now he's turned his back on the Labour and totally ruined their campaign. Only Gordan Brown could master such a disaster. Bravo
Calls a spade a spade...oh dear!
The mask has slipped , Gordon's shown his true self, you don't attack the hand that feeds you ......He's finished!
She has every right to express her views on immigration, likewise Gordon Brown has every right to find them abhorrent or to consider them to be bigoted.
So we know she complained about immigration and people on benefits but until we know exactly what she said we will not know if what he said was true! Maybe she is a bigot!
Gordon - the question "where are all the Eastern Europeans coming from" should have been a gift for you to show off your geography knowledge.
Brown is an oaf who holds the electorate in contempt. He signed the EU constitution without our permission. He has been involved in massive population exchange, only quoting meaningless "net immigration". He has taken the working classes for granted. If you mention immigration, you are a bigot. Get this rotten bully out. But vote tactically, only the Conservatives or UKIP are worthy of our support.
This is Labour, and Brown in particular, all over: even mention the word 'immigration' and we're all 'bigots'. This is how they have kept such a vital issue off the political agenda for 13 years: because nobody is willing to suffer what comes back at us when we seek to debate the harm it is doing to our country.
"Mr Brown said a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way." Really? I find that very hard to believe. In fact I'd say that that was an outrageous lie by this pompous fool to try and justify the biggest error of judgement ever made by this useless Labour government. Farewell Mr Brown. Wish I could say it was a pleasure knowing you but then IÂ’d be the big phoney liar if I did.
Well at least we all now know for sure the amount of contempt to which Clown and his Liebore cronies hold the electorate in, even their own supporters......
She should have asked him about all the Scots in England and why are their MP's allowed to vote in Westminster while those from South of the Border are not allowed to vote in Scotland.
It sounds as though she articulately voiced the concerns of most decent citizens in this country and is rather a heroine for having the guts to challenge him as she did. Good for her and thanks Gordon for showing your true colours!!!!
This shows up Gordon Brown as the clueless, tactless, aloof and out of touch buffoon he really is. This is what our PM really thinks of us, the ordinary voters, what he says about us when he thinks no-one is listening. He spouts the party mantra in public but he has no clue about ordinary people's lives and refuses to accept that he has made a huge mess of our nation. He has no respect for the voters of this country, and I believe those voters will ultimately show him what they think of him when they go out to vote next week.
Not a bad thing to say at all. I mean if it puts people off voting labour...
I'm a lifelong Labour voter though won't be supporting them this time, thanks solely to Gordon Brown. He should never have become leader and when he did, he should have called an election immediately. This more than anything makes me sure of his bullying nature. The sinister question 'whose idea was this?' revealing more than anything else in the exchange. Instantly casting around for somebody to blame for his own mess is the hallmark of the bully and bullies shouldn't be allowed to succeed. Sadly, that's one of the reasons I don't care if we get a labour government on May 6 or not.
There you have it,Browns view of ordinary decent people exposed for all to see. Brown is not fit for purpose,he is unelected and he should stand down today.
The moment that Brown and the Labour party died, couldn't be more happy
Wow! calling someone bigoted- in private, absolutely disgraceful.. To ensure fairness for all (including voters) Sky must ensure all candidates are continually wired for sound when on thier rounds. The other two will be panicking and saying `Are you sure I`m microphone free` The lady has had her two minutes of fame. What fun.
"LOOSE LIPS, SINK SHIPS". Is this the spark that sinks the Labour Party. Now we know how he thinks, if this Lady is a Bigot. So am I.
According to politicians we are all bigots. Express an opinion - you are a bigot. Disagree with someone's lifestyle - you are a bigot and need to go to rehabilitation. Do not want to relate to people whose views are totally at odds with yours - you are a bigot and need to go to rehabilitation and are subject to a massive fine. Do not want people doing thing in your B&B that you disagree with - your a bigot and should be in jail.
I voted labour all my life but won't be doing so this year. I don't agree with any of the parties, so for the first time ever, I am not voting.
'I apologise IF I have said anything like that' Delusional as ever when there's a live recording of him calling a pensioner a bigoted woman. What part of IF doesn't this idiot not understand. Brown has re-defined the English Dictionary in so manner ways swapping lies for mistakes, smears for forgetfulness and now actual speech for conjected speech.
I'm not really a great fan of Gordon's. But can't see why he isn't allowed to express an opinion in private. The press are just out to get him. what a storm in a teacup.
Blunder Brown
Shows you what a scumbag this useless man is! This is what he thinks of the British public!
gordon brown should be thoroughly ashamed of his disgusting response to perfectly legitimate questions being asked by a genuine down to earth member of the general public. mrs Duffy was infact a member of the labour party . it just proves how completely out of touch the politicians are with the populus on the subject of mass immigration. They are a bunch of cowards not just gordon brown All of the three major parties.
Gordon Brown was fuming because someone brought an ordinary member of the public forward, instead of pre selected one as is normal. Even though she said she was a life long supporter and would vote Labour, he made this very derogatory remark. What a despicable man. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE PRIME MINISTER
If you are an M.P. you should always respect the other person's point of view. Gordon Brown and his Labour cronies do not respect anybody's view, but their own. Typical sociopath?
She's concerned about Crime, Immigration, and the Economy and has voted Labour all her life ?, she's not a Bigot, just a very silly woman for voting Labour in the first place, Excellent stuff though, well done Gordon...Priceless !!!
'All these eastern europeans, where are they coming from?' well, I'm just guessing here, but....eastern europe, perhaps?
Good timing, Gordon.
Gordon is a moron! How will Meddlesome spin this one!
Every time this man deals with 'real' people he shows just how unpleasent a person he is. Example 'Who's idea was that?' always someone else fault Gordon, when will you take responsibility? Get rid I say !
Immigration is a big issue in this election, and being in EU is the biggest one for me. So I must be bigoted. None of three main political parties will talk to the British people about the amount of immigration we have had into this country from EU all they talk about is outside the EU and introducing unworkable quoter's, The £45 million a day that it is costing us all money we should be spending in our own country on our own people it is our money. Vote UKIP only party wanting out.
Missing the usual rants about the DM 'making it all up'. Brown should never have been allowed in politics. Was he really the best that Labour could come up with and if so.....................WHY? Love to know the truth and nothing but.
So there we are. The cat is out of the bag, he is a bully, ill tempered and truly condescending of the senior vote. Goodbye Gordon you have been found out for what you are.
Brown Scottish - He doesn't have a clue, get him to live in this ladies shoes for a month and see how it is to live on the bread line on a pension, and not getting other benifits because she is on the wrong benifit, COME ON GORDON BROWN. You've really made everyone make up there minds on how you behave behind closed doors. Your so enclosed in you little life that you haven't a clue what the real person actually lives like.
I wonder if Sky will give it the constant air time that that comment deserves. I doubt it.
This just shows,what has been obvious for a long time, the expenses scandal etc etc.Labour the ppls party has no idea how the british public feel,They are so out of touch.One old lady in rochdale ends the brown/labour mismanagement of our once great country... bless her,, pity there is no great choice for the public to make to leed us honestly and justly into the future,,,,..
I'd have more respect for Gordon Brown if he hadn't apologised. He should stick by what he thought. He's entitled to his own opinion of people he meets, just as I have opinions of people I meet. There are racists, and bigots out there; not everyone is 'nice'. You just know that all the candidates out canvassing have similar conversations with their agents when confronted by a voter who has a go at them. Gordon just happened to get caught out so let's have a bit less of the holier than thou attitude you get on here.
Go on! blame all the ''failures'' in your life on him. Go on. Bring on the red arrows.
The final nail in Gordon Brown's coffin.
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon When he does something positive then I am sure that will make very big headlines.
hes still lying, she was not bigoted, she spoke the truth. Also why can he still get away with his "we have 1 million british working in europe, and we have 1 million europeans working here" 1 million of us working in europe, so lets say 25 countries, 40000 per country. 1 million of them in the UK Does not hold water to me joolz
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?' Umm...............................
No surprise here. He is and has always been a nasty piece of work who, if he doesn't get his own way, throws his dummy out of the pram. Make no mistake this is what he really thinks of ordinary Labour voters. What he thinks of the rest of us is probably unprintable. Our politics has come to a pretty pass when such a creature stands for election to the highest office.
Brown is not a bigot. He hates everybody
Brown is disintegrating in front of our eyes, wonderful and so deserved. Typical ZaNu Labour though - disagree with us flooding the country with millions of immigrants and all that that entails - you're a bigot. That's 70% of the population that are bigots then. My word, Brown, you're a disgusting specimen.
Brown revealing his true colour!
It would be naive to believe that politicians don't make private comments about all sorts of things - we all do this from time to time! The truth is this woman was a bit bigotted in her views and therefore it is understandable why the PM made his private comment, we think most people would have drawn the same conclusionMr Brown has made an apology and that should be the end of that. Perhaps the press should think about their professional standards when eves- dropping on private conversations.
During their exchange in the street, Mrs Duffy told the Prime Minister: 'You can't say anything about immigrants.' She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?' Haha, so she did make an incredibly stupid and bigoted comment then? The only thing Gordon did wrong was wait until he was in his car before saying it, he should have told her to her face she was a bigot.
Bigot definition: 'a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others' Surely this descibes Gordon Brown more than Mrs Duffy. He is the one who can't bear other's opinions or people questionning him. He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
Serves the woman right, she knows she cannot even speak to The Fuhrer, let alone tackle him. I am surprised the party sycophants even let her within 100 metres of our Beloved Leader. Another reason why we should send him and his nausiating party into oblivion on 6th May.
of course Mr Brown did not mean what he said. Then again he his not a workplace bully he managed to get out of that. The man is a joke time for a change me thinks.
Good on you Mrs Duffy but Brown and the other two wannabe managers for this country(Cameron and Clegg) will be no different on immigration, after all their masters who govern this country in EUROLAND wont let them end our misery on the open door policy Blair and Co have put us through. Crime. You have no chance there Mrs Duffy, YUMAN RIGHTS and the courts in this country will always side on the crook.
haha....Muppet Brown strikes again!!
Is anyone surprised by this? I certainly am not. He has proved himself to be a liar over the war in Afghanistan. This man cannot be trusted over anything. I do not believe anything that he says. Now he is calling this lady a Bigot just because she asked him questions he didn't like. Let's hope the voters of this country do the right thing and get him out!!!
Lovely....Gordon meeting the people! Unfortunately, this time it wasn't one of the selected ones, but someone who asked questions which had not been "placed", thus proving herself to be a bigot in the eyes of Gordon (and no doubt his cronies). Nice to hear what he/they actually think of the rest of us!
For heavens sake just go Gordon and take the appalling, discredted bunch of chancers laughably described as the Government with you. If there was still any doubt about just what this man thinks about the electorate it has surely been blown away here. I and many others will never, ever forgive or forget how this "new" Labour government have destroyed our country. Next Thursday cannot come soon enough.
I think it's sad and disappointing that the media chose to broadcast these unguarded comments. Who, amongst us, has not walked away from a meeting muttering under our breath and expressing our private thoughts? Gordon Brown is human and he made what he thought were private comments. Rather than vilify him, vilify the press for publishing them.
Serves the woman right, she knows she cannot even speak to The Fuhrer, let alone tackle him. I am surprised the party sycophants even let her within 100 metres of our Beloved Leader. Another reason why we should send him and his nausiating party into oblivion on 6th May.
I just love it! Now we know Gordon Brown's view on electorates daring to challenge him on one of his PR walkabout stunts. What does he want - everyone to smile for the camera, shake his hand and tell him what a great job he is doing? The arrogance of the man. All the carefully stage-managed debates mean nothing when, in unguarded moments, he reveals his true colours. And watching him squirm while explaining his comments on the Jeremy Vine Show was priceless!
Hilarious - who'd be a politician?!
Good on him, she is.
I think he just fell into the sea with Neil Kinnock.
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon, 28/4/2010 19:00 Brown and his control freak party have had 13 years of relishing in power and rolling in the pig sty - have you anything positive to sai about this graceless buffoon after 13 years of havoc?
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown? - Olli, Swindon, 28/4/2010 13:00 Click to rate Rating 2Report abuse The only positive thing about Mr Brown is that he is a fool!! Someone had his name correct (Gormless Clown)
Mcbroon as usual "who let that woman near me" someone else's fault. and what a stupid thing to say as many people leaving the country as there are coming in where do's he get that from Like the 3 million jobs the E.U. brings to this country, WHERE ARE THEY? He tells that many lie's that he believes them Mrs Duffy should vote B.N.P
Another foot in mouth episode from the man who wants to be leader again. Perhaps Gordon might be better off at home packing up his boxes and his sandwiches as he heads to the wilderness.
It would be very interesting to know what she has asked. This story has the potential to be 'gold dust', but unfortunately there is not an awfull lot of information here. It does just show the contempt that Labour has for people though. If the top brass are prepared to treat the electorate like this, then they deserve NOTHING from us.
Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking? This is Gordys gang now making sure he fails big time? He has never been the most subtle person and this isnt the first time he has made an error of this type - the fact that his aides let him carry on suggests that the knives are out for him and they are already stabbing him in the back before he has even lost the election - what a sorry state Labour is in. Couldn't have happened to a "nicer" bloke!
Brown has committed political suicide. The lady in question has just spoken about his comments in the most common sense and thoughtful way, despite being chased to earth by the press hounds. She is either a brilliant actress or exactly the sort of person you would want having a chance to ask questions of one of these lying and cheating politicians from planet ZUG.
.....and that is his attitude to a lifelong labour supporter. Oh very dear!! Well done Mrs Duffy!
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from? That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! On serious note though if Labour wins Im emigrating till next election.
The whole labour social engineering programme is something that is of deep concern to many ordinary people. People who feel that their country and its culture are valuable and should be preserved through sensible immigration controls and other policies are neither racists nor bigots. The only answer to Brown and his cronies (and also Cameron and Clegg for that matter) is to tactically vote for one of the more 'extreme' parties such as BNP or UKIP, who have no chance of forming a government, to make the bland mainstream parties sit up and be forced to restore some balance.
Well, the REAL Brown just revealed himself. What a two faced disingenuous person he revealed to us all. He says one thing but clearly believes something else. The later radio interview with Jeremy Vine, where he forgot he was also on camera, showed some illuminating body language. He looked a broken man. Brown, you are done. The Millibands are sharpening their knives right now I reckon.
just shows what Brown really thinks about his own supporters the mans a fool
A bigot for voicing concerns of the silent majority? I know which one of the two is the bigot - do you?
Oops! But please don't pretend that Cameron and Clegg aren't as snarky when they're off mic. Still, this is a disaster for Gordo!
I would love to be a fly on the wall when his protection officer gets in bed with his wife each night. Imagine the laughs they must have listening to Gordon's bloomers every day.
And there you have it! Out at last, THE REAL FACE OF THE LABOUR PARTY. Brown you have been found out and exposed as the LIAR you are and what you think of the 'ordinary' British and especially the English people. You, your party and your union paymasters are an absolute disgrace and I hope the Tories print your words today on posters and display them througout the land for all to see. Surely after hearing THE TRUE BROWN today only people of limited intellegence would vote for such a complete and utter shower known as the Labour party. LABOUR OUT ON MAY THE 6TH!
A typical life long labour supporter, who was still going to vote labour, and probably still will. And she's right, he is an educated man, unlike many of his party's voters, apparently.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke! For the first time in this election campaign you've given me something to laugh about.
This lady just said what , way we all think, in this country, that this country is full of eastern europeans and we are sick of it.They don't and shouldn't have any rights to claim benifits in this country they should just go home if they cannot afford to live or don't want to work here. WELL DONE TO MRS DUFFY.
I suppose in his book anyone who dares challenge him is bigoted. Shows what a bigoted idiot he is.
I watched this interview live, and have since listened to Brown the Britain-hater's comments. Mrs Duffy of Rochdale, an ordinary pensioner from a modest, working class background, had the temerity to mention immigration and her concern over how that might affect her grandchildrens' prospects of going to university. Brown reacted as the liberal-left have responded to everyone who has dared to raise the question of immigration by calling her a bigot. The comment was made in private (or so he thought), which only goes to show that this is now a core NuLiebour belief, rather than just a tactic of bullying name-calling. Just who does the Labour party really represent? It quite clearly is not the ordinary working class folk of this country. Oh, what a glorious own-goal!
This must be the end to Gordon Brown and Labours election ! How dare he call this lady a bigot for asking questions we'd all like answered. Apologising is not enough. I'd like him to explain what he thinks of us - the voting public.
Direct message to Gordon: Gordon, you are a national embarrassment. you should fall on your sword immediately. Unfortunately you'd probably miss and headbutt the sideboard.
It ain't gonna make any difference what Brown does or says. He cannot make a bigger fool of himself than he already has over everything he has touched. Don't get yer hopes up for the Tory or Lib Dem representatives either - they all come across as smug, arrogant, holier-than-thou, know-it-alls. Let's change things and bring all the crooks who have been stealing from the taxpayer by claiming expenses and not doing their job to book. The sooner the country changes from a bi-party dominated election fiasco the better.
Nice one Gordon, you have opened the door for Dave "nice but dim" Cameron and George "the lights are on but nobody's at home" Osborne. Five years of jolly japes to follow God help us all.
What I find most unpleasant about this whole matter is how he was friendly and nice to Mrs Duffy, thanking her for her time. Behind her back five seconds later, he slags her off in the vilest of terms. This is a 66 year old lady who treated him with respect. Is this what he really thinks of us, the general public?
What a major league A-Hole treating an elderly woman like that.
'That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous...' Absolutely ridiculous! Who whould have thought that GB would want to talk to someone that hasn't been carefully vetted for their views? 'Cos if you don't agree with Gordon .............Your'e a biggot! Simples!
The one thing Labour hates is people with a mind and will of their own, and certainly they wont tolerate anyone who dares question or challenged them over immigration or asylum. Only racists question immigration numbers. Still at least we all got to see first hand the utter contempt Labour has for the people in the street.
No surprises here then! We all know Labour's view of anyone who disagrees with them, racists, biggots, homephobes, little englander, BNP or any host of other slurs they use against anyone who dares to disagree with them!
This woman was telling Brown what we all wanted to tell him!Immigration ?, if anything it looks as if it will be worse !people scared to say anything !we need more like this lady who ihas every right to be concerned !Who do people vote for ?the three parties so far have done nothing for me that would entice me to vote!
This has made my day, it is proof that Brown has no concerns for the ordinary citizen of Britain and does not want to hear anything which challenges his views. He has to go, he is a total disaster for Britain, the worst prime minister in history.
This clumsy buffoon with no social graces, morals or sense really needs to go. Anyone that considers him or herself British and votes for this pack of scum isn't very British at all.
Hopefully this will signal the end of Maxwell Stalin Brown as a politician.The best news for 13 years!!!
out of touch brown.Typical liberal if you don't agree with them then are a bigot/nazi.Still in touch with your student days gordon grow up!
This just typifies what the current government thinks about us the voter. Just watch question time and see the reaction on the faces of the labour members of the panel, the best are the women Becket and Harman are the worst, itÂ’s the superior than thou attitude. Just remember the current state we are in is down to labour so if they get in then it can only get worse.
This man is a liability....no wonder this country is in the mess it is with this bumpling idiot in charge
Thank you Sky!!!!! QED!!!!!
Brown was saying one thing to this woman and thinking the exact opposite! Can anyone trust what he says again? Or do we need to know what Brown is thinking to get the truth from him?
the most honest thing any politician has said this side of an election being declared however we already know that New Labour is totally contemptuous of anyone in disagreement and here is more proof the first time that Mr Brown engages with a true member of the public. Like him or not at least DC has been engaging with the public on a continuous basis.
I'm appalled that Mr Brown should say such horrible things on the television about this charming old lady. I was always taught that if you didn't have anything nice to say about someone, then you shouldn't say anything at all. I think Mr Brown is a dreadful man.
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?' Um, at a wild guess Eastern Europe?
Gormless, Millipede, Balls& Balls, Lady Meddlesome, Postman Pat, Jowell, Campbell, etc., etc., These creatures are vile, obnoxious & loathesome! Surely Cameron has the Spine to ram them back into their rat holes!!
Did anyone else notice that he sounded like a bully ?
I guess we need to hear what she said before we can decide if he was being accurate or not.
Why are we not surprised Brown would make nasty comments about a member of public asking normal questions. He sees a general election as an inconvenience and us ordinary voters as ants. Even Labour die hard supporters cannot justify his comments about this woman. Mention immigration and he calls you a bigot. Vote him out !
I daren't think what he would say about someone who was not a lifelong Labour supporter!
What a wicked man ! How can anyone thinking of voting for this wretched labour party sleep at night?
Oh, the full story is on now - thanks
Typical Gordon Brown & Nuliebor - If we dare speak about immigration we are labeled as Bigots & racists !! Mass immigration over the last 10+ years has ruined this great country - we have a census every 10 years so the whole of the country can plan decades in to the future to provide all of the infrastuctures required for the benefit of all of the population.
She added: 'All these eastern Europeans - where are they coming from?' Erm......at a guess I'd say Eastern Europe lol! (although it's no laughing matter) --------------- Mr Brown said a million people had come from Europe but another million Britons had moved the other way. Well that 's all right then Gordon. 1 million British taxpayer leave sinking Britain for a better life elsewhere & we replace them with 1 million Eastern Europeans who will undercut British wages & enjoy our generous benefits systems. Surely as the former Chancellor, Brown can see the problem with this 1 million people revolving door!!!
He said the problem was he was being helpful to the broadcasters, he did not wear the mic for them but to promote himself. It show his the true feelings, all he cares about is getting back in power and not one jot about the general public.
Well, maybe she was bigoted? Maybe we should know what she said as well as what he said.
Well done Gillian Duffy, you have managed to expose Brown as the two faced nasty piece of work that he is! He and his cronies depise the people of this country and only want their votes to keep them in their positions of tryanny and power. If this is how he feels about a supporter of his own party..what does he think about the rest of us?!
The thing with this is not what he said, but that he got caught. This probably happens evry day with every politician meeting the voters. Cameron has probably said similar things, so has Clegg. The difference being that on this occassion, someone forgot to switch off Brown's microphone (it wouldn't have been up to Brown to do it - he probably hasn't got the control. A sound engineer would be in charge of that). So where does he go from here? On the face of it, calling someone bigotted for spouting off about immigrants (and we don't know exactly what she said) could be something that Brown could turn to his favour. Immigration isn't always a bad thing, and there are many many myths and lies spread about immigration. This is why the BNP do so well. Not because of truths, but because of lies. If Brown is calling her bigotted for reating lies about immigration, it shows him to be tolerant, it shows hims to have strong human values. It shows that he is not a bigot. No bad thing!
Why shouldn't politicians criticize idiots? Gordon Brown is allowed to have an opinion, just like everyone else!
Instead of not voting - Gillian should be voting for the opposition, the more people who use their votes constructively rather than abstaining - the better....
Listen to the whole tape. Brown really is a grotesque bully and control freak.
Its not just Gordon Brown who is ignoring the "ordinary voter", his comments reflect the all the major parties views on those who question immigration - they are called bigots and fascists and their voice is not allowed to be heard, that is why more and more voters are turning towards UKIP and BNP, they may be the ugly face of politics, but they are the only ones listening to the "ordinary voters" on this issue - so if you want to win their vote - change your policies...
This was the day when Brown lost the election.
But what DID she say? Surely for balance we need to see that side of the story too, or would that reveal that he was correct? I am not saying this is so, but merely requesting some balance in the reporting please!!
True colours, Gordon. The reality outside your own set a bit hard to take?
The BBC describes the remarks as "unguarded". The hypocrite Brown shows his ugly bullying side & then "apologises ". He is an embarrassment to the Labour Party & it is to be hoped that he will soon be a distant memory.
'bigoted woman'. Whats up Gormless the truth beginning to hurt?
This shows the contempt that Brown has for anybody who dares question him about matters of real concern. His fraudulent "man of the people" campaigning depends on only slavish devotees being allowed anywhere near him. There are two other people with similar attitudes -they are called Cameron and Clegg.
Shows what a clown he is, and what Gordon Brown and his cronies REALLY think about the public. I understand he has now said sorry. Oh well thats ok now then.
Is it any wonder my Gordon Brown is so out of touch with ordinary people. For far too long this useless, unhelpful, sneaky,dishonest, uncaring government have trodden rough shod over the decent honest majority who want their concerns addressed. Far too often innocently labelled as bigots,homophobes and all the other Non PC Phobes it's about time these shallow hide and seek politicians swallowed their delusions of grandeur and started listening. This goes for all 3 of the mainstream parties. I'm sick to death of having to listen to lies, damn lies, overt evasion etc etc. If you can't take the heat get off the GRAVY TRAIN and let someone who has guts represent us!!!!
Hilarious, absolutely hilarious.
well ive just heard it and yes she is a bigot
So know we know what nu-labour really think about the white working class pensioners who they just use as electoral cannon fodder. This is GB's Gerald Ratner moment x 100.
Opps ! Gordon the has landed himself in the Brown stuff again.
So a man under intense pressure isn't allowed, in the heat of the moment, to express a brief private comment? Move on people.
He is an arrogant man but worse of all it shows how is judgement is flawed. He should keep his ears and eyes open and his mouth shut. Then he may learn something.
What this moron wont accept is that this lady is only expressing the concerns of most of the British people. His refusal to talk about these concerns just proves his arrogance and ignorance.
Now relax everyone.... Gordon was just expressing how much he hates the British.
just waiting for the smears to start against Mrs Duffy
It's GOOD he said that. Fianally a politician speaking his mind - that's what we should WANT. Well done Gordon
Just confirms what we all know, the man is a total buffoon.
I find Gordon Brown utterly repugnant! He is the most disgraceful PM we have ever had and that's saying something after Mr Blair! He is unable and unwilling to communicate with the electorate and in true Nulabour style if you don't agree with their rhetoric then you are a bigot or a racist. Why aren't we permitted to question the issue of unrestricted immigration or any other issue?! Please vote conservative and get this vile bully boy out soon I cannot bear to think of him still in charge after the election.
That's the way to go Gordon - hope the lady in question does not vote for you - I wouldn't!!
Just shows the contempt they have for us.
Go for it Gordon, problem is in yorkshire, straight speaking is just another way of saying rude speaking.... don't blame the global recession on workers from eastern europe...its worldwide...its not confinded to any nation state...
This lady sounds like she has her head screwed on, and put questions to Brown that we would all like answering, and he calls her a bigot? Anyone who is even considering voting for this buffoon needs help.
Typical - one face for the public - the fake smiling one (now that's what I call ridiculous!) and another when he thinks were not looking (forgetting of course that we all see his miserable self-indulgent demeanour in Parliament all the time.) Since the mic was his idea it just shows how Broon hasn't a clue about what's going on around him.
Finally...... proof positive, from the man himself. Just listened to it on the BBC and also listened to Brown on BBC2 trying to explain it. He blames the media for him having the mike, the melee of the media, trying to get his view across about the lady's question about immigration, rushing to other appointments etc. Everyone and anyone but HIM is to blame. Just like every other issue he denies responsibility for. However this is one he cannot escape or hide behind. The bottom line is........ this is exactly what Labour and Gordon Brown thinks of the voters. I wonder what else is said behind closed doors that we will never get to hear. If we ever needed evidence of the thoughts of some politicians on the electorate - here it is. Elsewhere I wrote that politicians are all smiles and nice to us when they want votes and once elected, basically lose interest in us. In this case, the interest hasn't lasted very long, and the lady concerned was a Labour voter !
So typical of the press. You focus on what Gordon said, but you never focus on whatever the woman said that prompted that comment. Will you guys ever have something positive to report on Gordon Brown?
Speak your mind on anything to do with immigration and you're branded a bigot.. What a joke.
This shows the complete and utter contempt that New Labour have for decent, ordinary people. This woman is a lifelong Labour voter for goodness sake and, just because she asked Brown the questions that we are all asking about the economy and immigration, he labels her a bigot. Disgusting! She is clearly very upset by all of this. I do hope that it does not affect her health as she seems very hurt by what he has said and the resulting media attention. Now, Brown has gone on Radio 2 and said he will apologise if he said anything wrong - IF!!? He called a lifelong Labour supporter a "bigoted woman" on national TV and he questions whether he has done anything wrong. This man does not deserve to be PM.
So now we hear the reality. Just think of what other comments our PM says about all of us, his fellow British compatriots. Gordon, you are a disgrace and clearly if you hold ordinary people in such contempt, should NOT be allowed to represent us. I am hopeful that all voters realise what sort of a man he is and switch votes. Start packing Gordon!!!
Doesn't surprise me that he has nothing but contempt for voters. We're all just a means to his end - the giant spendathon.
Ah! a good lancashire woman saying her piece and seeing Bumbleman squirm. Its a lovely day. Cherish this day as another nail in the coffin for the supreme leader aim for another goofball award.
Well we havent heard the conversation yet have we - she might well have been.
Well done Gordon! As much as he was wrong to say it he is after all human and has the same emotions as everyone else. Its just a shame that he got 'caught'. This wont change my voting... its still blue for me!!
Oh dear, not nice Gordon, not nice at all, this just confirms what Labour thinks of anyone concerned about the levels of immigration.
Well that shows him up for what we already knew - Incompetant, useless idiot! Wonder if she is still a 'Liebour' voter?
Bigot- definition. Somebody with strong opinions especially on politics, religion or ethnicity who refuses to accept different views. Sound familiar......Labour and all its politicians. Its the government that will not listen to anybody elses views and refuses to accept what a mess they have made of this country.
Mrs Duffy - 65 is not old and Gordon and his chronies are probably looking for you to be out working and paying into the tax coffers. Hope you gave him a real hard time - he deserves it!
DM, great website that you must be congratulated on. However this level of biased reporting is starting to feel a bit strange. Start looking at the wider picture please; these non-stories are a waste of time.
Hilarious, he seems much more human now. It must be hell having to be nice about awful people.
Whoops!
D'OH! That's another nice mess you've gotten yourself into!
Thank you Gordon for showing the UK public what you are really like. Apart from being downright rude and ignorant, Mr Brown's comment shows him as a total hypocrite - he is the last person in the country entitled to refer to someone else as a disaster.
I'm sorry but I too am bigoted. Against a PM and Party involved in the wilful destruction of the British and their way of life. What a horrific creature you are Brown. With your cabinet at least you're in like minded company.
I don't think this comes as a shock to any of us and should not influence our voting decision at all. I am not voting Labour but have every sympathy with Gordon Brown because our ever present 24/7 news coverage means that at one time or another many politicians will be caught out this way. One thing I can guarantee is that in the privacy of their home or office David Cameron and Nick Clegg will have said things they would not want broadcast to the voting public.
FANTASTIC .... Gordon being seen in his true colours ... At least he didn't throw anything at her ... Oh I foget he only does that to his employees !!!!
Lovely man, isn't he, Gordon "Let's be honest" Brown?
This just shows the contempt these politicians really have for the voters.
Disaster for the campaign trail!
Now we're seeing the real Gordon Brown (and hearing him)
Good heavens, a politician telling the truth!
He really is obnoxious, isn't he. Makes you wonder what he and his thuggish cronies say about the rest of us doesn't it.
Not bigoted, just stupid. After all she says she's concerned about crime and immigration, and who has she been voting all her life? Labour! Is it any wonder this country is such a state when 30% of the population is this stupid? Does she even know what Labour stand for? Does she realise the Communist Labour party consider any concerns about immigration to be born from racism?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, WHOA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Made my day that has!
Someone called "Sue" might be getting it in the neck for" putting me with that woman" I note all the Newspapers are commenting EXCEPT the Mirror. I wonder why ?? If it had been an opposition gaffe ???
How much longer will we have to suffer this intolerable man and his lying, parasitic government?
Can't take the pressure the Gordon? Just goes to prove what a nasty bit of work you really are doesn't it! It's you who are the bigot, you who are the disaster, you don't even know not to speak when you are miked up, what chance have you got of running a modern country? Answer, none!
If he thought she was bigoted he's entitled to say so. We can't condemn the language of political correctness then complain about politicians not using it. What it does suggest is that Gordon Brown is 'politically incorrect' in more than one sense.
You know biggoted people exist and despite their biggotry it is his job to represent them. Is it so out of the question that he would say to her that he thought her ideas were biggoted, or did she get the usual patronising grin and the following dismissal? How honest was he with her?
Looks like the game is up doesn't it? If GB can not cope with questions from the lady in question (well done Madam) then he really doesn't deserve to be PM. The questions weren't difficult - they were questions that any ordinary man or woman wants answers to. It also becomes all the more obvious that every thing he does is scripted / choreographed and that he has very little spontaneity. It also makes me feel that he is a bit like Ronald Reagan - not really able to cope with the demands of the job unless everything is set out for him. Actually I think this is hilarious!!
Welcome Gordon , to our world . You ignorant man.
Bigoted woman, or someone with an opinion asking awkward questions
So Gordo is only prepared to talk to people who agree with him. he must be awfully short of speaking practice.
so? is he not allowed an opinion?
Ah,she would be white working class,Nuliebour want to airbrush them out completely
Well??? What did SHE say??? Either gives us the whole story or don't bother at all!
The natural reaction from New Labour. Challenge them on anything and you are either bigoted, racist or ignorant. An ordinary old lady with genuine concerns is still one of their targets. Shameful.
Gordon ....you are the disaster.........cant wait to see you tomorrow
Was she?
"Brownout" -- the epic disaster movie that is Gordon Brown.
The British people are fast waking up to the fact that the Con coalition only wants to "take powers back" from the EU centre because the Con Party wants to create a slave society in the UK: no workplace rights, long hours of work with low pay and no right to say a word about it or face the sack on the spot, no out of work rights or benefits and "welfare" (social security) and health outsourced to carpetbagging private organizations in it for the money. All disgusting and all being actively connived at or directly promoted by David Cameron-Levita-Schlumberger, George "whiplash" Osborne (together known as the Snow Snorters), Greasy Grayling, dunce Duncan Smith and the rest.
Whilst most of our trade is with Europe - and it currently is, and will remain so for the forseeable future - then we will have to abide by European rules and regulations. Much better to be part of Europe and have a say in those regulations rather than Norway, for instance, which still has to obey the rules, but has absolutely no say in their drawing up.... - cp, Kent Europe, 26/10/2011 17:45---------- Wrong! Over 50% of our trade occurs within our own internal markets. Less than 50% of the rest goes on within the EU. Thanks to excessive regulation and political meddling, it is now more expensive to trade with EU countries than it was when we were paying import/export duties! The EU is an entirely political construct, which has never had any sound economic basis. We don't need the EU anywhere near as much as they need us.
Whilst most of our trade is with Europe - and it currently is, and will remain so for the forseeable future - then we will have to abide by European rules and regulations. Much better to be part of Europe and have a say in those regulations rather than Norway, for instance, which still has to obey the rules, but has absolutely no say in their drawing up.... - cp, Kent Europe, 26/10/2011 17:45-----What is the matter with you? Are you one of the usefull cloned idiots in the pay of the Propoganda Dept. of the EU Project who just spouts inate comments with no substance. We have bu****all left to trade as it has been transferred to Europe by their rules. Our manufacturing capacity was 22% of our GDP. when NuLiebor came to power and was systematically reduced to 11%. Now they want to steal our City Trading which is 15% of our revenues. We buy more from Europe, so they are the beneficiaries of the trade. All Trade goes via Rotterdam and no records kept for trade to rest of the world.
- Old Ted, London, 26/10/2011 16:09 - regarding 'Mrs Clegg's new job' - HA ! - now we KNOW they're in politics for the money ! She's obviously taking a page out the Blairs book AND the Kinnock's book ! That's a lot of 'books' ! Well, I never ! It's OK tho
. . 'Much better to be part of Europe and have a say in those regulations rather than Norway, for instance, which still has to obey the rules, but has absolutely no say in their drawing up' - cp, Kent Europe, 26/10/2011 17:45 - 'CP, where on earth did you get the idea from that we have a say in the drawing up of any rules ? ! We're still waiting for weekly bin collections, for God's sake ! - tell me who 'dreamed up' that one ! After that you can tell me all about the usefulness of such a rule, and how some overpaid office clerk in Brussels couldn't wait to impose on the long-suffering British population, who I sincerely hope will shed these buffoons, and we'll be all better off keeping the money that WE create, NOT Brussels ! . . and don't get me started on the EU flag on every footballers shirt 'rule' . .
And to watch Parliament Live the MP,s are part of the Problem ! they have NO passion, NO Commitment,NO Conscience ,NO Belief,NO verve,NO vigour,NO vim, NO sense of importance, only their own salaries which should be thirty pieces of silver and they would be overpaid with that sum !.(G.D.F)
Best put the EU out of its misery as soon as possible. There is life after the EU and it's high time we started planning for that. GO UKIP
Your list just about covers it all, so no point in pouring more good money after bad and get the hell out.
Whilst most of our trade is with Europe - and it currently is, and will remain so for the forseeable future - then we will have to abide by European rules and regulations. Much better to be part of Europe and have a say in those regulations rather than Norway, for instance, which still has to obey the rules, but has absolutely no say in their drawing up....
When you think about it - the DM like all major newspapers through its readers comments allow everyone to let off steam - but really and truefully we are achieving nothing, take the LibDems for instance, Mr Clegg has been put into a fantastic position that the electrate never voted for, Deputy PM, others acting as Ministers, Mrs Clegg earning £500k pa working the EU ticket - yet they all have power on EU things we who voted against them cannot stop - of course us voters never expected the Tories to go back on their word regarding the EU and a referendum, and we never thought the Lib Dems would be allowed to call the shots - do you not think that sometimes we are just being treated like a bunch of puppets with everyone holding the strings, and us never in control, of course we say that we will not vote for them again, but loads get hoodwinked again and again, only some of us have standards we keep.
The only way we will get back our powers is to leave this corrupt cesspit that is doing its damnedest to rule over all and I as a BRITISH CITIZEN am not prepared to relinquish my BRITISH RIGHTS to some idiots in Brussels. My grandparents fought in two world wars to free our country and I'm as sure as hell not giving it to the BRUSSELS BUFFOONS to tell me what I can and can't do, it's bad enough having CAMERON trying to do it.
How DARE Europe give rights to British workers. We DEMAND unpaid holidays and for our employers to force us to work excessive hours. The part time workers DEMAND that they have no employment rights. Having no employment rights made us Great. Say NO to employment rights!!!
This story shocked me a bit. I had no idea how far the EU had stuck its nose into matters that ought to be a sovereign nation's own personal business. How an economic organization merely set up to enable a free trade zone was allowed to mutate into one dictating national policy, in areas that should have been your national purview alone, is truly amazing. A great number of your fellow countrymen must have either been brainwashed or lied to. And the EU claiming that this purely administrative bureaucracy can not be accomplished for under $150B per year is little short of fraud. If some external multi-national organization had succeeded in doing this in the states there would be blood in the streets. Literally. You should convince other non-French/German EU nations to back you in a strong effort to take back all policy-making powers not directly involving free trade ASAP. Here's wishing you Good Luck from the yank side of the pond.
It's actually not a question of restoring our rights "before it's too late"........... It's a question of restoring them PEACEFULLY soon or violently later......... The EU will either give them back voluntarily or be FORCED to do so - it is an extremely vulnerable (dis)organisation and quite easily coerced if that should prove necessary. There used to be a thing called a "SOVIET Union" once, remember.............but not now.........
We must get out of this Socialist cesspit before it's too late!!
We are still in the EU simply because the majority of us simply don't understand how it has affected us. This article goes a little way in explaining some things in an uncomplicated way - but people need one, short sentence examples of what can or has happened to the UK and people in the UK. Keep it as simple as possible please for us plebs to take in and we could even take to the streets - before the EU bans that kind of thing.
If that list all you can come up against being members of the EU that is as poor as it gets. With the emerging economies like China, India and Brazil we need the strength of EU membership. Without it the UK will be like a little corner shop battling aginst the giant supermarkets. What is wrong with laws protecting the rights of workers and protecting the basic rights of the citizen againt the power of the state. The House of Commons Library has published a new, much more comprehensive study of the percentage of UK laws that originate from the EU. It is freely available as a PDF and despite running to 59 pages I would strongly recommend reading it in full. ItÂ’s conclusion? The true figure is around 15%.
Your spot on DM make a stand for British rights, the Lab Lib Con wont do anything to endanger their jobs or their in-laws, ask Cameron about his farther in-law, how many wind turbines his he having on his estate... Our referendum will never take place, they the MP's like MONEY to much for that to happen, all bar the 140 odd MP's who wanted a referendum...
More sour grapery from an insignificant minority who get more laughable with every utterance. Empty vessels really do make the most noise here.
I suggest we give the EU et al THE BIG BAZOOKA !!
The EU is a Dictatorship under the control of Germany. The rules are made by The Commissioners. You cannot vote them out, because you did not vote them in! Ring any bells with you?
I agree - but how?
Renegotiation of our relationship with the EU will be almost impossible. Especially with the likes of Cameron at the helm. The LibLabCon Party are pro Europe so our only hope is to change our voting habits at the next election. Hopefully the EU will collapse before the next election.
And, the only way to take back these powers from Europe is to withdraw from the E.U. altogether.
The above list makes your head spin,sadly it's only part of the monster that has been created.Clegg says ' be careful what you wish for,' well he would wouldn't he,behind his words is an implicit threat to the British people.This same threat is implicit in the attitudes of both the Germans and French.If you want to change the level of power we have over you we will make your lives very difficult. We need to call the bluff.Just one example,imagine the reaction of German car manufacturers if any difficulties were created by Brussels for their business in Britain,one of their largest world markets.We import much more from the EU than we export to it.We must use that clout in totally undoing our relationship with Brussels.We need to go back to the position of 1975 when we joined the EEC,everything since is torn up and rewritten if it suits the British people in a referendum.What does not suit us or is not in our interests is left out.Renegotiation is a part of all life.
The Daily Mail has expressed my views exactly! Where do I sign?
Clearly and openly showing that British Democracy is dead. ....... - Oh Dear, UK, 26/10/2011 09:00_______________ Yes, we have been sold out to the multi-national firms who now control our lives - and our government. THe EU is the only hope we have for taking back something from these global firms!!
When a country gains independence from another country, it holds elections and re-writes it's constitution. It's time we kicked the EU out and did the same.
Clearly and openly showing that British Democracy is dead. But so severely damaging that it can ONLY have been an intentional act by traitorous members of ALL POLITICAL parties, AND WITH UNION APPROVAL. No wonder the Bliar abolished the treason act. No wonder Education has been dumbed down so that "No-one would understand what WE (politicians) are doing" to all you dough-balls we have deliberately created. No wonder the Beastly Bent Crowd have been PRO filling minds with rubbish. Now we are the bread basket, the dumping ground and the biggest fools in Europe. NOW I SENSE IT IS TOO LATE -WE ARE ON OUR MISERABLE JOURNEY TO HELL. Or are we? A tax rebellion is all that is left to us.
Don't worry about the effects of oil running out in the next 20 years or so because the way the "experts" of the EU are working we'll all be back to hand-carts long before then!
It is interesting that the EC "experts" could not even forsee the inevitable problems which have arisen in something as fundamental as the imposing a common currency on such diverse countries. One therefore has to worry as to what other "experts" are still in the closet thinking up further damaging laws with which to shackle Western Europe. Soon we will be reduced to 3rd world status as China and India roar ahead.
There are many factors missing from this report. Tax losses owing to the way in which VAT works in the EU, Carousel fra*ud, Loss of corporation tax owing to big businesses basing themselves in Luxembourg or Ireland but trading in the UK, the list goes on.
reclaiming these powers is not enough - we need to take full control over our country and its laws and if that means leaving the E U then that is what we should do. Whilst Mr Clegg and possibly Mr cameron might be happy to govern a province of the US of E that is not what most of us want and it certainly is not what my father fought for in 39-45.
Make no bones about it Crime and Immigration is THE defining reason why we want out. Quite plain and simple. Why on earth did the Peterborough MP stick his neck out so far? That city has been absolutely overwhelmed and the existing people who live there are sick of it. Not specifically sick of the people individually but sick of the system that allowed it to happen. We are a small island, Poland is huge in comparison, for example. We need welfare reform at the same time.
You CANNOT negotiate any kind of deal with regards to our "relationship" with Europe or the repatriation of powers (sovereignty). To do that you must submit a treaty change (because by asking for powers back) you need to change at least one treaty). Once you've managed to do that (miracle needed), you then need all the other 26 countries to ratify that treaty change. You'll be back empty-handed from our capital in Brussels faster than you can say "Cast-iron guarantee" It's a non-starter and you know it There is only ONE way to get back our sovereignty, and that is to leave.
Our politicians are traitors to those of us who lived through WW2. I have more respect for the Nazis than the money grubbing freaks of Westminster. Vidcund Quisling was a saint compared to them.
What an excellent article. Totally correct. Get us out of this lunacy EU asap please.
We need a cool clear and open discussion of the factors effecting the EU/UK relationship, as in this article. The diffficulty is the apathy of a large number of the British public coupled with the Manipulative Propaganda of the EU political machine. I really don´t know what can be done to change this.
No good curtailing the extent of EU powers in the UK; we need to leave ASAP and stop the interference from malevolents in Brussels and Strasbourg.
Kow towing to the EU, shows total disrespect to all those British who died liberating THEIR countries. Where Napoleon,the Kaiser and Hitler failed, the EU can [to all intents and purposes subjugated Britain], claim Defeat by Deceit! OUT NOW.
Home rule for a start, then the promised referendum on the EU, then it is up to the people, in or out, we don't need a 3rd option. Keep it simple so that even Cameron and Clegg can understand it. IN or OUT.
Home rule for a start, then the promised referendum on the EU, then it is up to the people, in or out, we don't need a 3rd option. Keep it simple so that even Cameron and Clegg can understand it. IN or OUT.
The eu should have no say at all with anything to do with Britain, permanently.
Has the Daily Mail gone mad?? Are they HONESTLY suggesting that the European Convention on Human Rights is a BAD thing? The more people are educated in it, the more sense it is to have the ECHR!
I agree with some points but when it comes down to employment rights I thank the EU! Who reading this article would work more than 48 hours per week impacting upon your family life? Who would work a full day for your employer to tell you to come back to work 9 hours later with little sleep? If your employer sacked you because they didn't like you, not because you broke contractual rules, who would accept this? Maternity pay? What aren't we supposed to have kids now? Shouldn't parents be allowed to spend as much time with them as possible? If someone working full time gets more paid holidays than a part timer who does plenty of over time then shouldn't be they get the same rights? Insurance companies... well how many times have the insurance companies been open an honest in their practices? The good old act of God clause applying... have they met God? Regards to immigration, donÂ’t employers share some of this guilt? Employing foreign workers before British purely based on costs?
We must make ILLEGAL mean just that and deport those who have no right to be here which is in accordanced with International Law
thanks for the information. You seem to repeat this every other week.....boring....boring....
Considering that the British people have been setting their feet on practically every land on this planet over the last centuries (America, India, Africa, Falklands, Australia, New Zealand)-- sometimes dispossessing and mistreating the natives -- you'd think they would be the best guests on Earth. Richness extracted from these lands helped the British at home tremendously. Take care so that it doesn't turn into a mess, yes... but there is no moral right for xenophobia. Fairness, at the very least.
'Projections are uncertain' except when the Government finds it convenient to declare they are not.
We are full to bersting,can,t any other country take them,and why do we give them money,why. if we went other places in the world,they would not give us any money (FREE).when you go in to the shops, some seem to have shop jobs but can we understand what they are saying most of the time,I have afew friends looking for shop jobs,but no luck. PLEASE do something,what about time limits.please help GREAT BRITAIN. what has it come to?
Yes and the crime rates have also increased in proportion.
Wales IS a part of England. It is a principality of England. A sub-division of England. It is NOT a separate country. Anyone born in Wales was born in a principality which is indeed within England. Bruce Dowding, Gloucester .....and England is a principality of the EU. With a Scot in charge..hah! It is precisely your arrogant attitude, bruce, which is driving devolution in the UK. When it finally does happen, we're all finished..
I weep for England.
3) economic growth rates being determined by a country's stock of labour, capital, technological innovation. (Look up the basics of economic growth models on wiki) If you want to stop immigration, you will have to make do with Britain being out of the top 15 economies in the world. It's really that simple. NO IMMIGRATION = NO POWER, NO RELEVANCE. Before responding intelligently, please wiki economic growth. - Nash, London, UK, 9/12/2009 16:42 Point 3) If what you say is the case, therefore the reason for no economic growth in the countries from whence the migrants came, is because their country has lost its core labour base. Looks like instead of pouring money into these poor countries, we should send back their stock of labour to boost their own numbers and their economic base. We are into 2nd generations of our own who have never worked, so why do we need to import workers? We sort our own country out and they sort theirs out.
Stop the welfare benefits of all migrants who have entered this country in the past 12 years,problem solved.The next budget head is overseas aid not a penny to be allocated and finally anyone living outside the UK cannot receive any benefits as we have no way of confirming continuing entitlement.
Any chance of sending any of them home ?
"WRONG -Both Shirley Bassey and Ashley Cole were born in England- sideshow Bob, Homerville" Shirley Bassey was born in Tiger Bay, a now long-gone part of Cardiff, which happens to be in WALES not England. - Danny, Pendine, 09/12/2009 14:28 Danny - you need to learn a little more about the constitutional makeup of the United Kingdom. Wales IS a part of England. It is a principality of England. A sub-division of England. It is NOT a separate country. Anyone born in Wales was born in a principality which is indeed within England.
To those who do not support open door policy, why did they not complain about the great discoveries made before their lifetime, why didnÂ’t they say that Christopher Columbus should not have discovered America or that Mongo Park should not have discovered River Niger, if they know where these places are. For every discovery comes responsibility, it is like a project, all projects must consider future impact. So this influx is not a negative effect rather it calls for iterative and continues review to adjust the impact or effect it is having on economy. For example the underground diggings back in the 50Â’s were the benefits of immigration and these same benefit are what is now over crowded causing impact to the economy. So, why did the elastic economy come to a halt?, those not in favour of open door on this panel should come up with a solution and not just jab talk. Sorry, nothing personal....
I do not feel that anyone here is supporting a completely open door policy., I (as a red arrow) personally would like the idea of a universal world, but this is not a one step process and could not be just one country to make this move... It is understandable why people are concerned with immigration, especially some areas suffer due to this. However some immigration is good and even essential. New immigration measures should not be about discrimination of colour, it should be about control & individual evaluation- people who can obviously support their way, make a contribution and generally offer in society should be allowed to stay and work and dont see the problem. Would you not want to have similar human rights? The government should create better controls on who stays and who goes and why - as this situation is only making a lot of people fearful & racist against ALL 'foreigners', even if they are hard working, honest people and pay their way
I have just checked the last Rich List for 2009 and the figure for the richest 20 in Britain is at least 50%.
To those that say get over it why should we?. Do you honestly think that these people are doing you a favour, they are here for one thing only and that is to TAKE FROM YOU AND OUR KIDS> If you cannot see that then might I suggest you visit and optican.Its like the government keep taking from us to give to countries that were left in good shape, eg. Rhodesia, South Africa, Kenya Nigeria,Bostwana etc. Now look at some of them.Might as well pour the money down the drain, still they think it is good for their souls and paves their way to Saint hood!!!!The fact that you have to pay more tax for these migrants is nether here nor there...tough
The worthlessness of being truly British born and bred gets more apparent everyday. We are now nothing more than slaves working to live in some fantasy socialist distopia.
To the red arrows. People come to Britain because it is the greatest and fairest country on earth,almost all progressive social reform has been held up for all the world to see,right here in this country,from the abolition of slavery and blockading of the African coast to our present day tolerant and enabling legislation. Practically all immigration into this country has previously been from similar northern European cultures which assimilate within a generation and was in massively lower numbers,look at a picture of the 1966 world cup final or the streets of people welcoming the troops home in the 1940's and stop lying to yourself and other people with this "no indiginous" nonsense.Understand this,there is NO historical precedent for a massive influx of disparate third world cultures onto the islands and stop pretending that you know it will all work out for the best,because you simply don't know that.This is unchartered water and people are rightly concerned.
The 6,000,000 that these labour clowns let walk in to this country would be good for the economy McBrown said , that is one of the reasons why we are so well off now.????????????
alan granville, corwen,north wales, 9/12/2009 17:14 "True enough,the difference being that we went to under populated countries and developed them. Africa was a wild continent,we gave them schools,hospitals,roads, and much more." And of course we didn't ask for anything in return...did we! And when I think that most of these ungrateful countries that we "civilised" eventually through us out. Shame on them.
This, becomes such an emotive subject comment will always embroil you in controversy. However, many of us do believe we see our system being abused by a structure of calculated economic migration. Very often the people that come, have been well schooled in their rights...
Wait a second obviously this is including people who marry foreigners aswell? I'm assuming we are still allowed to marry anyone of choice? In order for those foreigners who are allowed in on spouse visas to remain indefinitely in the UK and be entitled to uk/european rights/benefits more importantly access to some jobs - they HAVE to have a British Passport otherwise by just being on a temporary spouse visa they get nothing and their other half and family get no benefits/ rights either. Thats the no recourse to public funds clause. This is a policy and money making ploy not about loss of identity! do any of you have any idea how much is charged for a British Passport £750-£850 for spouses alone!! do you know how hard it is to get a job without a British Passport?? its harder for people with foreign passports especially as security checks are tighter than ever. Again this is a policy issue not about british people losing their identities its the way the government has made the rules.
There needs to be differenciation between those born abroad of British parents who were serving outside the UK on the birth of their offspring and those who had no original connection with this country.
It doesn't matter - we're only apes anyway. - Johnno, Redhill, 9/12/2009 12:58 Speak for yourself monkeyman.
The mass immigration over the last 12 years, has been admitted to being done for political reasons, "to rub the Rights nose in diversity." Labour's problem is, it has also rubbed a lot of their traditional supporters noses "in diversity". That's why they have tried to play it down. What they have done though, in order to neutralise their political opponents, is damage the sense of identity of all Britons! All bar those who are unapologetically against their own culture and history, and would be so no matter what country they'd been born into. "Labour" have made immigration a political act! It now remains to be seen whether the 'taboos' around it, therefore still legitimately hold sway over the reactions to it...
"1) the current shortage of specialists in professions " Like the one legged roffers "2) the pension deficit with an ageing UK population " That just makes the problem worse for those in the future when they get old but you lefties never think with a common sense. . "3) economic growth rates being determined by a country's stock of labour," Translated that means employers wont be able to keep wages down if we control our borders. Well done Nash, spoken like a true G reader
Sorry about the typos in my previous posting. I accidentally hit send before proof reading. I meant to say.. I believe the UK is losing its identity by abandoning its Christian heritage. Not because of migration nor by accommodating freedom of religion for migrants. Indigenous Brittian are forgetting its core values.
I really belive the UK is losing its identity by abanding its Christian heritage. Not because of migration or freedom of religion for the migrants. Indigenous Brittian are forgotting its core values.
One hopes they enjoy their BRIEF STAY here..................
If you would have immigration reduced, what would you do about the following? 1) the current shortage of specialists in professions such as medicine and other, service-based industries that mean the economy is operating below short-term capacity 2) the pension deficit with an ageing UK population that means we need younger people ie workforce growth - and we need them right now. 3) economic growth rates being determined by a country's stock of labour, capital, technological innovation. (Look up the basics of economic growth models on wiki) If you want to stop immigration, you will have to make do with Britain being out of the top 15 economies in the world. It's really that simple. NO IMMIGRATION = NO POWER, NO RELEVANCE. Before responding intelligently, please wiki economic growth.
Now is the time to leave a sinking ship
TO ANDRE OF ST ALBANS: You say the British have been migrating for 200 years. True enough,the difference being that we went to under populated countries and developed them. Africa was a wild continent,we gave them schools,hospitals,roads, and much more. New Zealand and Australia the same. So please THINK before you rush into print. - alan granville, corwen,north As many migrants are doing here now.
TO ANDRE OF ST ALBANS: You say the British have been migrating for 200 years. True enough,the difference being that we went to under populated countries and developed them. Africa was a wild continent,we gave them schools,hospitals,roads, and much more. New Zealand and Australia the same. So please THINK before you rush into print.
Sideshow Bob, Homerville, 9/12/2009 12:42 Nice one!
And still the politicians are too scared to admit it. Margaret Reading
Eastern europeans come here looking for work, Africans & Asians come here looking for benefits. - Michael Madigan, Blackburn, England, 9/12/2009 15:03 African and Asian are taking it all back. Its called Karma..... sorry bongani sorryyy
When these islands faced a tyranny from Europe that undertook racial genocide, millions of people in the Commonwealth of all races and faiths came to our aid and many died as a result. How disappointed they would be to see some of the frankly disgusting comments here today.
one in ten foreign born but they are having lots of children who are born here...so its not a true reflection of the numbers. those children born here are more than those born to those native to these shores. so you can make that not 1 in 10 but at least 3 in 10
This article reminds me of the Titanic.
"Please don't describe Migrationwatch as a 'think-tank'. They are a racist pressure group - Tom, MKUK, 09/12/2009 15:10" If they decided to just make things up, you know do what the far left do I'm sure you wouldn't be calling them racist. Its funny how you people just throw that tag around so much these days isn't it.
"Dare I say anything, it might be construed as racist..." Then why do you continue to type? Yawn....
Andre, St Albans " some of my ancestors are also British." I suspected that to be the case but waited for you to slip. - Andre, St Albans "I just have issues with small mindedness." If you check opinion polls you'll find you are the "small mindedness" - Mitch, Swinton, 9/12/2009 15:10 Mitch, I made my point to the Afrikaner history only to respond to the apparent persecution complex here in the UK for loss of identity. I am British and South African, I love both countries and work hard and have many English friends. I am tired for being part of the 'immigrant' tag for being blamed for loss of identity. I pointed out the past so people can think of both sides of the coin. I would not expect it to be popular by vote, but it does not make it false and it also does not make me to have issues. Remember even Carbon has the popular vote for climate change...does it make it right?
Crikey, I for one, cannot wait for the "white, indigenous" (what an extremely racist and offensive and BNP term) population to be replaced by those who have moved here and their descendants. At least then I wouldn't have to read the vile spewings of hatred, intolerance and racism on this website.
- Andre, St Albans " some of my ancestors are also British." I suspected that to be the case but waited for you to slip. - Andre, St Albans "I just have issues with small mindedness." If you check opinion polls you'll find you are the "small mindedness"
Please don't describe Migrationwatch as a 'think-tank'. They are a racist pressure group who are only too happy to dish out rent-a-quotes to the right-wing gutter press.
Going off this and previews comments you've made it would seem you have issues with this country. You may not like it but I for one respect my country and believe we have a right to a homeland instead of it being given away by people like you who do not speak for the majority. Its obviously from your comments that you don't even read this newspaper. I do not have issues with this country at all as some of my ancestors are also British. I just have issues with small mindedness.
"My ancestors starved in British concentration camps for being Afrikaners.- - Andre, St Albans" Going off this and previews comments you've made it would seem you have issues with this country. You may not like it but I for one respect my country and believe we have a right to a homeland instead of it being given away by people like you who do not speak for the majority. Its obviously from your comments that you don't even read this newspaper.
labour buying voters!!!!! we can create jobs by tracking them down and removing them from this country that needs to make cuts anywhere possible
If one in ten in the UK is foreign born (and I suspect the number is higher than that), I wonder what the figure is when you add those who were born here but have foreign ancestry? ZanuLabour set out with the intention to forever change the face of Britain and did so without consulting the public because they knew that the majority of people did not want such high immigration. It's insightful to bear in mind that they embarked upon this course of action not long after having repealed the treason laws... There is only one party to vote for who are willing to try and do something about this situation. You know who they are.
What do Nu Labour care about it? They are ok. Fat pensions and pay offs,probably a seat on a company board here and there. Why should they give a damn about Britain.
Dare I say anything, it might be construed as racist, the indiginous population of the UK is being diluted, its a shame as in the process the history and values of this country will be slowly eroded until we have something like the streets of London where you are lucky to ask an english speaking person a question, get a reply to a "good morning" , when I say population of the UK I mean ALL those who have been born here. The above are facts we have to face. - David Williams, Middlesbrough, My ancestors starved in British concentration camps for being Afrikaners. After the Anglo Boer War 2 they tried to completely eradicate the langauge by forcing all children to speak English. If school children were caught speaking Afrikaans they were humiliated and forced to stand and wear a plaque around their necks calling them a donkey. Such is recent history my friend - no respect for other cultures.
The government knows full well that some immigrant communities benefit the british economy far more than others.They know that the Indian,Chinese,Nigerian and Polish communities are net contibutors and should be welcomed.They also know that thePakistani,Bangladeshi,Somalian and Portuguese commuities are much more of a drain on the British taxpayer and don,t appear to be doing much to help themselves. These facts may be unpalatable to those of a politically correct disposition,But they are nevertheless the facts.So although i personally think that it is madness-for both environmental and social reasons-to let the population get any bigger i do however think some immigrant communities are really benefitting Britain.And that rather than targetting all immigrants we need to focus more on those communites that are taking advantage of the benefit system and therefore the British taxpayer.
Quote: "How typical of DM readers!!!!!!!!! this has been happening since people have been on the planet!!!!!!!! Get Real. - Barry, Manchester, England, 9/12/2009 13:35" Up to a point, Lord Copper. Previously immigration has been in such numbers and over a time span that has allowed the country to absorb incomers without detriment to the existing population. What we have had in the recent past is invasion by other than military means.
Whichever way you look at it, the social infrastructure of our Country has been dangerously overloaded by unontrolled immigration. I take my hat off to the ones who came here to work, integrate,pay their taxes, and in general benefit themselves and pay their way. The trouble is the unknown numbers, who have no intention of integrating, get every benefit going, put nothing into the pot, and suddenly breed or fetch in extended families, to add to the overloading. In North London, there are areas where the white population have decamped, and every nation on earth seems to have been dumped there. They speak their own language, do not talk to each other, and the number of children is unbelievable. What the influx had done to services and budget (education, health,welfare etc)is incalcuable. What I want to see is the Government put a halt to immigration,assess the scale of the problem, tell us the truth, and promote/develop a clear strategy on immigration, instead of being in total denial.
What about all the Brits abroad??? There are lots of them. When I lived in Germany, my next door neighbour was British, the other neighbours mum was British. Back in the UK on my street we have South Africans, Spanish, Austrians, Chines and Taiwanese, all married to a British partner. And all have English heritage. So I guess that they would be included in those statistics. We are a war faring nation, having conquered most of the world, why be surprised that we have so many different nationals living here? As long as they contribute and obey the the law, who cares?
"WRONG -Both Shirley Bassey and Ashley Cole were born in England- sideshow Bob, Homerville" Shirley Bassey was born in Tiger Bay, a now long-gone part of Cardiff, which happens to be in WALES not England.
Dare I say anything, it might be construed as racist, the indiginous population of the UK is being diluted, its a shame as in the process the history and values of this country will be slowly eroded until we have something like the streets of London where you are lucky to ask an english speaking person a question, get a reply to a "good morning" , when I say population of the UK I mean ALL those who have been born here. The above are facts we have to face.
I live in an overwhelmingly immigrant area of London and I have seen for myself the negative aspects of mass immigration.I also think it's ridiculous to compare modern immigration to the UK with colonialisation and UK emmigration to such places as Canada and Australia. I honestly think some of the comments in favour of an open door policy have been written by people who do not live areas with a high immigrant population or are wealthy enough to live in the nicer areas of london.
Lots of racist posts left here. Those terrible 'foreigners'! I love the comments about the indigenous population. Your history shows not much respect for other indigenous populations of the world. Apparently when you were making massive land grabs and treating people like slaves in their own countries it was somehow noble. I'm grateful for you introducing queueing, but post white settlement Australia (Aboriginals seemed to manage pretty darn well on their own before you guys turned up) only got great when the Europeans and Asians arrived in large numbers.
Well the east europeans who come here to work i dont have a problem with they have a similar culture and they integrate they speak very good english and are very respectful people now on the other hand people from the rest of the world who may have been here for years cant speak or dont want to speak english to a basic standard do not want to integrate have no respect for our laws or culture in fact the turn the towns they live in into ghettos where only they and their like want to live they have there own shops etc and people move out.
Seems like migratory genocide of the indiginous people. - Andy, Walsall, 9/12/2009 13:20 Andy, with a 200 year migratory history out of the UK to the rest of the world, I would thought you are well accustomed to the idea by now.
History - if allowed to be reflected accurately - will tell future generations how 20th Century Great Britain once comprised 56,000,000 good-humoured, essentially honest people proud of their culture and of their valiant battles against tyrannical regimes; it will tell of our common understanding, our support for the underdog, our sense of fair play, our love of the (long-lost) pub, our fondness for whistling as we worked and our ability to unite and share when necessary. Sadly, nobody at that time will have the slightest understanding of what life was like. If, by some chance, this forum is retrievable in years to come, let me tell you this, guys: It was never Utopia, and boy...did we have some riff-raff! But we did have a unique identity respected by much of the world; what's more, our system was reasonably democratic - not like the one in 1997 that put you in YOUR hell-hole.
"Look on the bright side, we must be saving a fortune on forign aid. - Paul, Barnsley, 9/12/2009 13:44" No thats going up from £8 Billion to £14 Billion next year!
Look on the bright side, we must be saving a fortune on forign aid.
What really gets to me is the countless number of 'expats' who comment saying Britain needs to get rid of all immigrants. How hypocritical can you get? Obviously it's alright for them but not alright for anyone else, how self centred
"WRONG -Both Shirley Bassey and Ashley Cole were born in England- sideshow Bob, Homerville" I never said they weren't, I said one had European lineage and the others didn't. I'd suggest you look up what lineage means before you go around playing the race card because most people are sick & tired of that.
"WRONG -Both Shirley Bassey and Ashley Cole were born in England- sideshow Bob, Homerville" I never said they weren't, I said one had European lineage and the others didn't. I'd suggest you look up what lineage means before you go around playing the race card because most people are sick & tired of that.
How typical of DM readers!!!!!!!!! this has been happening since people have been on the planet!!!!!!!! Get Real.
A consequence of mass British migration to the rest of the world in the last two centuries.
Only one in ten? You only have to go into the city/town centres and count the various races to work out it is probably closer to 7 in 10.
Interesting thoughts... I have been living in the UK since 2000, originally coming from Greece. In the last 10 years, I have paid fees to a UK university, taxes like everyone else , a mortgage to a UK bank and generally live ok - as I would also do if I had decided to be in my own country - truly not only the UK is a good destination! My stepfather is english, working and living in Greece (like english people are also allowed to live & work in the EU...) It annoys me that because of the massive illegal immigration issue, we all seem to come under the category .. Also lets not forget how much this immigration has contributed over UK history. So question is.. is immigration really the problem for the state of the UK? What about throwing out all the useless people that prefer to munch on benefts instead of competing for a low end job with all 'immigrants'! If no available jobs exist, no immigrants would want to come!! Disagree?
Seems like migratory genocide of the indiginous people.
"So who is the odd one out? Ashley Cole, Prince Phillip, Shirley Bassey,- Sideshow Bob, Homerville, 9/12/2009" I know one has European lineage and two don't - John, Salford, 9/12/2009 12:52 WRONG -Both Shirley Bassey and Ashley Cole were born in England so they are not one of the 1 in 10 foriegn born to which the article was referring, moreover both were born to English mothers. Neither of these can be applied to Prince Philiip. Do you have a problem with colour blindness John or just being deliberately racist?
What about those who were shiped by thesame government from India, Pakistan and other countries to build England after the war... Do you want to ship them back after your country has been built??? USELESS STATISTICS me me me generation, wake up and work to build your GB again.
Being a typical working guy,it sticks in my gullet to see people given luxury apartments in london to house them and their brood who will all be New Lab voters.This for a guy who hasnt done a days work since arriving here. Lets not forget the New Lab elite were mostly student marxists. Look at the UAF now and you get the flavour.Is it any surprise then they have,amongst other things,destroyed the economy,underequipped our lads,sold us out to Europe and, most damningly of all betrayed the values and society our parents left to us by importing an alien theology and supporting its growth in our midst. Transformed Mr Neather? Destroyed more like.
Both my wife and I were born abroad to British parents, and I think our next-door neighbours were as well. So much for statistics...
Eastern europeans come here looking for work, Africans & Asians come here looking for benefits.
Oh come off it,we Brits,specifically we the English are the world's NUMBER ONE (1) immigrants. You venture into the remotest village,deepest sea,desert...you are bound to meet an English person.I realize it's the annual immigration small talk,I suggest it is a result of our cold, long, dark and depressing winters,cheer up,it all fizzles out in the spring. In the mean time a nice hot Chinese,Indian,Italian...take-away will do me good!
It doesn't matter - we're only apes anyway.
"70 Million by 2029" It will feel like we are on holiday.
James, Devon, you are so right. The DM is becoming increasingly selective about the comments it will print and, therefore, does not represent a fair cross-section of readers' views - including those that conform with the house rules.
As stated a vast understatement. Something else that the government have let go completely out of control. Enough is Enough
As SM from London said, immigration has been going on since humans learnt how to walk. It's nothing more than a simple fact of human geography. All these people complaining about 'us' and 'them' need to get a grip and accept that things change. If people want to come to this country, this lump of land we believe we have a right to more than anyone else, then I have no issue with an 'open door policy'.
you mean the Aborigines country?!
"ohhow i wish i was yooung enough to get the qualifictaiotns to go to Australia................ at least they have pride and want to keep their country THEIR COUNTRY................... we are just a load of mongrels now............................ SAD SAD SAD................ - hazel dean, bournemouth, 9/12/2009 11:45" This comment has so many levels of unintentional irony I am going to frame it and hold it up as an example of what happens to mail readers brains when immigration is mentioned. Comedy Gold.
I wonder how many people can say they can trace releatives back to say the First World War living in this country. I bet the figure is only about 70%.
Only 10% foreigners live here? That is a gross understatement ! Stand on any street corner and just listen to the variety of languages spoken ! And, as someone has already pointed out, when it comes to the crunch how many of these will be on OUR side? In the 30s there was concern about a possible "Fifth Column" when most foreign nationals had to be interned. With such an enormous potential "Fifth Column" in our midst what could we do if the need ever arose again?
"Did absolutely no one post a comment during the three hours between John from Eccles at 8:01 and Geraint from Gloucester at 11:09 ? - James, Devon, UK, 9/12/2009 12:13" And the most constructive post of the day goes too.....drum roll....Yes James of Davon
1 in 10 is probably the number that they know about, the True figure is a lot more than that, in most Towns and Cities "We" feel like the Immigrants.
This may not be a popular view here, but the truth is that Britain needs immigration. Let me tell you 1) the current shortage of specialists in professions such as medicine and other, service-based industries means the economy operates below capacity 2) the pension deficit with an ageing UK population means we need younger people ie workforce growth 3) What the politicians won't tell you is that economic growth is determined by a country's stock of labour, capital, technological innovation. Look up the basics of economic growth models on wiki. The elephant in the room, as far as politicians and media on the right is concerned, is that BRITAIN NEEDS IMMIGRATION to even retain a chance of remaining in the top 10 economies in the world. We wall this country off at our peril. It is completely short-termist thinking and everything we take for granted about standards of living won't exist unless we rethink our attitudes now. Wiki economic growth. I dare you.
Totally misrepresented figures. As an example, I have a friend who was born in Cyprus to British parents while his father was serving there in the British Army. He's as British as any of you lot, but will be included in these statistics - which have been presented in a way that suits the Wail's pro B N P agenda.
Surely the answer to this is to stop the freebies then we won't have so many coming in. We won't have so many teenage pregnancies either if the freebies were stopped. Their is not much point in blaming the immigrants for all the problems of the country. Many immigrants make a better contribution to the country than some of our own. We only have to look at the Jewish community to see how much they have contributed to the country over the years. Perhaps the government could correct the injustice of the vile council tax. As a pensioner in my 70's I am fed up paying over £1500 in council tax to subsidise people who pay nothing towards this tax but take plenty out of it.
The French do not want illegal immigrants with no money so they do not pamper them. They do not want British people either that is why our country has to pay for hospital treatment etc. Our pension is paid by the British government not the French. The French give us nothing. We cannot go to France or any other European country and claim benefits but others come to the UK and get everything they want. We should treat immigrants the same way as other countries then they would not want to come here.
My son was born abroad - grandparents on both sides in the british army, father also was in the British Army. But he can't even get a passport to go abroad on holiday as he is classified as foreign and stateless. The state wants him to nationalise himself even though he is british through and through. Get English lessons??? He is more British than me.
I think we need to be careful with 'foreign-born" - I was born in Dublin, have lived here since I was 3 - and have paid taxes for more than 20 years. Anyone who met me would think I was white british. Ten years ago the figure for people like me - 1st and 2nd generation Irish passport holders - was 4 million. There are issues with people coming in to take advantage of our free NHS and generous benefits, but publishing stats like this is just sensationalism - it's not about where people were born, but how recently they've come in and for what purpose.
ohhow i wish i was yooung enough to get the qualifictaiotns to go to Australia................ at least they have pride and want to keep their country THEIR COUNTRY................... we are just a load of mongrels now............................ SAD SAD SAD................ - hazel dean, bournemouth 09/12/2009 11:45 What do you mean by 'mongrels'? Non-whites? Why do you think it's ok for you to move to Australia but not for anyone to move to the UK? I suppose you think whites own the planet and should be allowed to live wherever they like. If I was Australian I wouldn't necessarily want someone like you moving in next door. Maybe I would moan to my local tabloid about all the immigrants and express my desire to emigrate...
10% is that all? If you believed the news it must be nearer 60%. That also means that my Chinese born Grandmother (with an English father and Spanish mother) is included.
Statistics, tell me how many offspringn and other dependants are not included in these figures. Well done Labour , I hope the first thing the BNP do, when they come to power, is ban you as being NOT IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST, your own laws used against you , now that would be sweet justice, rubbing your nose in your diversity deception so to speak!
Did absolutely no one post a comment during the three hours between John from Eccles at 8:01 and Geraint from Gloucester at 11:09 ? Or were they all too close to the truth for the moderator?
I've just got back from Eastern Europe and have to say, the place was full of immigrants. British ones. I'm amazed at the number of comments on here from people moaning about immigration who feel the solution is....wait for it.... to become an immigrant themselves! In the words of someone whose name escapes me. You couldn't make it up. or put it another way "hip-ock-rissy" (intentional phonetic spelling).
Here comes again .Government should pay more attention to lazy british people who just sit and claim benefit. HONESTLY speaking do we think UK economy can boost without immigrants, who contribute alot to uk economy. e.g( highly skilled immigrants ),fact is that non EU immigrants are no longer interested in living in the uk. Government should have thought of the implication before opening doors to EU. Leave them alone. UK is no man's land
Wasn't this exact same arcticle on this site a few months back? So 90% of people living here were born in this country and the problem is...? Immigration is a part of life and has been going on for millennia...get over it!
Hazel Dean said: ohhow i wish i was yooung enough to get the qualifictaiotns to go to Australia................ at least they have pride and want to keep their country THEIR COUNTRY................... we are just a load of mongrels now............................ SAD SAD SAD................ Australia does not select immigrants on the basis of their country of origin. It selects them on the basis of the skills they have to Australia. It also recognises the benefits of immigration - 44% of Australians are either foreign born or have at least one foreign born parent. And it's still a beautiful place.
Andrew neather spelt it out, as if most didn`t already know the truth.
Interesting thoughts there... I have been living in the UK since 2000, originally coming from greece. In the last 10 years, I have paid fees to UK universities, taxes as everyone else complaing, a mortgage to a UK bank and generally live ok - as I would also do if I had decided to be in my own country - trust me not only the UK is a good destination! My stepfather is english, working and happily living in Greece (like english people are also allowed to live & work in the EU...) It annoys me that because of the massive illegal immigration issue we all seem to come under the category .. Also lets not forget how much this immigration has contributed over the years to the UK... I can be sure that if no available jobs exist, no immigration people would want to come!!! Or not?
ohhow i wish i was yooung enough to get the qualifictaiotns to go to Australia................ at least they have pride and want to keep their country THEIR COUNTRY................... we are just a load of mongrels now............................ SAD SAD SAD................ - hazel dean, bournemouth 09/12/2009 11:45 By Hazel Dean's logic of Australians wanting to keep their country their country - why would they let a foreigner like her in. Oh I see immigration is good when it is the Brits doing the immigrating to some one else's country, but not the converse
GB, please take action now !!!
"So who is the odd one out? Ashley Cole, Prince Phillip, Shirley Bassey,- Sideshow Bob, Homerville, 9/12/2009" I know one has European lineage and two don't
I don't understand the hostility towards migrants in this country. I appreciate that some areas have large groups of migrants, but at least insofar as non EU immigration is concerned, most migrants have to demonstrate their value to the UK before they can come here, and even then under conditions. I'm an Australian who has been here for almost two years. I was only allowed into the UK after demonstrating that I was sufficiently qualified and able to make an economic contribution. I pay almost £30k in income tax and receive no public benefits at all.
Yes our government keeps leting people in and keeping them with the taxes we have paid and letting them live a life of luxury. But remember the wooden horse of Troy and what happended one day the horse will open and we will have civil war. I wonder which side our government will put the army on.
ohhow i wish i was yooung enough to get the qualifictaiotns to go to Australia................ at least they have pride and want to keep their country THEIR COUNTRY................... we are just a load of mongrels now............................ SAD SAD SAD................
So who is the odd one out? Ashley Cole, Prince Phillip, Shirley Bassey, Here is a hint, 2 are hardworking British born sucessful members of society. The other one is Greek and lives off our taxes! If you are going to start this nonsense, start here.
An island that can feed a lot less than this. An island that used to trade with the world but which has systematically been shorn of its industry over the last few decades. An island that when things get bad, which will come, will be dependent on "European friends" to avoid mass starvation and which will then find that said Europeans are only friends so long as there remains some part of our country they want. Quite a future.
"it makes me angry when all i see is peeps moaning about Migrants in the UK - lee, long left the UK, 09/12/2009 11:25" If we were given a say then the far left wouldn't even think about opening their mouths!
Lee, long left the UK, Your comments are utterly ridiculous, are you saying that all migrants are crime free and none of them are languishing in our prisons at the moment? You say that the UK benefits from migrants, the ones that work hard and don't cause any problems, what about the ones that don't work hard and do cause problems then. The crux of your argument is that immigration is okay and we should kick out all the criminals who were actually born here, a nice Utopian thought. What did surprise me about your comment was the fact you said you were married by the tone of your comment I thought you were still at school "Peep!!"
wow and only now do they realise....but will anyone do anything about it...NO I DOUBT IT!!!!!
Why single out the Poles for the treatment Peter Grimes? Most Polish people I've met are hard working, more than pay their way and adapt easily to our British way of life. And wasn't it Polish pilots who saved our bacon during the Battle of Britain? - geraint, Gloucester UK, 09/12/2009 I say the same about South Africans - All 7 of my grandad's brothers fought for the British forces in WW2. I have been instrumental for winning a lot of work here and abroad for my British employers and other than my children's schooling have not taken but given to the state. I even go back to SA for medical treatment if required. Many migrants have contributed far more than they have taken. All South Africans I know, are hard working and law abiding and we integrate in British society by not forming exclusive communities like many other migrant groups.
Surely the answer is to stop all freebies and we won't have so many coming. We won't have so many teenage pregnancies either. The money saved on freebies could be used to reduce class sizes then we won't have so many children lacking in the 3 r's. There is no use blaming immigration for all the problems in the country. Many immigrants make a better contribution to the country than some of our own. We just have to look at the Jewish community to see what they have contributed to society over the years. The vile council tax should also be corrected so that everyone pays a fair share according to their income. This would boost the councils funding. As a senior citizen in my 70's and on a modest income, I could think of better ways to spend over £1500 each year, other than to subsidise people who pay nothing towards council tax.
So thats one in ten that have no allegiance to and for the UK, are here for ' economic ' reasons and dont care / wont care because this is not their home ..in fact any money they can earn legally or illegally is sent home to feather their 'Mansions, farms and property portfollios' so they can retire there, with the UK Pension and rents from numerouse houses they have bought , out of their ill gotten gains and thus further fleece the UK for generations to come. and in return we get a few high Street Curry Houses and Kebabs. Mulitculterism is wonderfull if your the right culture.
Well I know where my vote is going and it,s not to the lib/lab/con artists - baz, S N uk, 9/12/2009 11:15 I'm with you, Baz! I shall vote 'alternatively'.
it makes me angry when all i see is peeps moaning about Migrants in the UK at the end of the day i bet that the ones who moan are the ones who want to leave the UK and live in another country i believe there is a word for that. UK benefits from Migrants the ones that work hard who dont cause any problems so on so on.. if someone wants to moan about something then start moaning about something ore important like kicking the drug heads the robbers the killers out of the UK oh yeah before i forget kick out the low-life who dont know the meaning of work. its nice to see different peeps from other countrys for example my wife she is asian and believe me the UK has alot to lear from peeps like my wife who know the true meaning of work family and respect coz the normal uk person is greedy and respect comes hard.. so before peeps start moaning about something like this think extreamly hard before you comment and i dont care if i get red for speaking the truth
Remember that these figures for "foreign-born" includes children born abroad to British parents, children who may have moved here as infants with their parents, or children of parents in the military. The same story on the BBC mentions this, how odd that this one doesn't...
Only one in ten? That figure does not reflect the situation in many areas around London where it is closer to one in five or six!
Let them all come in. Thats labour and liberal policy. This tiny little island will sink under the weight, perhaps then this country will wake up to the fact
Well I know where my vote is going and it,s not to the lib/lab/con artists
Phil Woolas is very right, all these sort of projections had been done in the past and it has been found to be highly accurate. The big issue here is that no one owns this country. It was by pure accident that all those born in this country happen to be born here. Simple. NO ONE DESERVED to be born here. Yes immigration should be controlled but let us understand that we are all human beings and we have the right to travel anywhere we want. No one owns a single portion of the earth. Where was the points-based system when the brirish squandered Africa and other parts of the world and its reources? Were were all these controls? - Daniel Smith, London, Uk, 9/12/2009 2:01 Even I find this comment stupid
Well I know where my vote is going and it,s not to the lib/lab/con artists
In what way has 10% of the population being foreign born made this country a foreign one. I mean, you do relaise that means 90% were not foreign born, don't you?
What the liberal lefties who promote multiculturalism and unfettered immigration fail to remember is, that although it is nice to have a cleaner or baby minder of foreign extraction working for you on minimum wage, they too will have children and being the children of immigrants will probably have a better education and work ethic than your privately educated spoilt brats, and with Labour wanting to give the immigrant a leg up they will be edged into the high paying jobs your children would have expected to get. So not only have the Labour morons in charge ruined the economy for their children to pay off large Govt debt, they have promoted a cause that will exclude many of them from enjoying the fruits of their parents lying and conniving.
Why single out the Poles for the treatment Peter Grimes? Most Polish people IÂ’ve met are hard working, more than pay their way and adapt easily to our British way of life. And wasnÂ’t it Polish pilots who saved our bacon during the Battle of Britain?
Close the UK Boarders Deport all illegals. Give us the vote on being in the EU, I want out the EU was just meant to be a trading between each country. Not a Corrupt EU State.
No wonder we are going bankrupt we are now infested with the dregs of humanity here looking for a free meal. Any country is only as good as it's population and ours is now fast becoming one that will never ever support itself.
And how many of these immigrants send money overseas? Thus having a drastic economic affect on the country coupled with their cost of being here, education,housing,NHS etc. Then we have the knock on of our own unemployment because immigrants take jobs that local people CAN and WILL do.
I was born in the UK, my father, my grandfather, my Gt grandfather. You could not pay me to live in the UK these days. It is a country that has been sold out repeatedly by its politicians. I grew up in the UK, in the 60's......A great place to be a child. Now? Seriously, I travel a lot around europe and there are many of the ex Soviet "states" that now have better schools, better hospitals, less crime than the UK. What is happening? Why have the people of the UK stuck their heads in the sand and allowed this to happen. The UK has become europes dumping ground for foreigners from all countries. Shows on tv in france show immigrants waitig to get to the UK. Papers are thrown away and then they claim to be from whatever country suits their needs.......and the bleeding heart liberals accept them...... So where will the UK be in ten years time? Will it b any better? The answer is no......how can it be when nobody does anything to stop this? Sad........... An ex Brit
Mikey from Wales, seeing as Wales is part of Great Britain (well for now anyway), those Germans are also your Monarch, fool!!
Immigration would be a good thing if we employed a points system like Australia or Canada and only allowed hardworking, responsible people to enter. After all, a Bluechip company will only employ the best people so if Britain is a firstworld country (not for much longer) shouldn't we only allow the best people in ? But of course is that is Britain, so we just allow a load of people in who stay at home, pump out babies and claim benefits when we are very good at producing enough of those ourselves. That's why i'm looking to leave and go to a normal country.
I understand the anger over the scale and composition of immigration to this country - it needs to be managed so that areas don't become ethic ghettos where English is minority language. But migrants also make an enourmous contribution to British society. Many Eastern European migrants are here doing work that some British people think is beneath them (house cleaning, fruit picking, etc), while many of those from other parts of the world (e.g. the US, Canada, Australia and NZ) are highly skilled individuals who pay considerable tax without any recourse to public benefits...
Are we suprised? No of course not the 3 main parties will do nothing to reduce immigration, we are ruled by Europe now. and the European state is the first stage of world government, it will be easier for our masters, yes the ones with real power the ones with the real money the all powerfull, they will kill off our individuality and they will be able to rule us as one.
Do you know how hard it is to immigrate to America? It's near impossible. Immigrating to this country however is easy peasy by comparison. Even if you do manage to gain residency in America, you won't be granted citizenship - that's a different matter entirely...and don't even think about dragging all your dependents over there, even if you get a transfer. Here, on the other hand, they dish out British citizenship like junk mail, let people live off benefits, allow immigrants to work for government offices and gain political seats, which is not allowed in the US. No wonder people flock here!! The government should be held to account for what they have done - they have betrayed this country and put upon people an enormous strain, which is only going to get worse.
Once again there is no mention of all illegal immigrants plus those from outside Europe (Pakistan). The Government needs to open their eyes and they will see that we have already become the minority. just as they wanted. Will the Government now tell us how we are going to get a real count of who and how many people there really is in the Country. We need to stop immigration for at least 5 years and stop giving benefits to people who haven't paid into the system from outside just like they tell English people you haven't paid in so you can't take benefits
Maybe its because the english went and colonised countries by taking over them years ago, and then kicking their own people out, so there would be many people with UK passports, I have one and was not born there.
With 8,000 English peeps packing their bags and getting out of the UK EVERY WEEK, for a better life in a more civilised country, it will not be too long before being English in England is classified as a criminal offence. - Reuben Camara, Plot 1, Morecambe Compound, EUSSR, 9/12/2009 2:18 I hate immigrants, leaving their own country to start a new life abroad because they don't like their country of birth anymore. Oh hang on... It shows how brainless some of you lot are when you're so annoyed you're going to go and become an immigrant yourself, i'd have thought if you're so against the idea you'd be staying put as a matter of principle. Having been to some of the Eastern European counties, I don't blame them for leaving, or are you all suggesting that a person should stay in their country of birth, regardless of how rubbish it is? you have no control over where you were born, do you ?
Just listening to people and reading these comments, people are angry, disillusioned and discontented, yet our joke of a government dont care in the slightest. We are no democracy, we are no more a democracy than North Korea is a democratic republic, we have absolutely no say or control in what happens in our country except every 4 or 5 years when we are given the charade of an election to participate in, and even then our options are severely limited, to choose between a few political parties with similiar agendas which guarantees the status quo. Democracy indeed, dont make me laugh, merely an illusion of freedom.
The way this country is going everyone will be deserting soon like rats leaving a sinking ship. - bridey, oxfordshire, 9/12 Off you go, then. We don't need negative people like you.
Why do these articles keep reporting the views of Migrationwatch? So far as I can see they are simply a self-appointed group of rentamouths whose views on this issue have no greater relevance or reliability of those of the rest of the population.
The ONS use figures produced by other incompetent and often plain lying departments, based on a current population of approx. 60 million. The mobile phone companies earlier this year said that the UK population had approx. 70 million mobile phones, which I would suggest is probably a more accurate reflection of the UK's population than that produced by Labour politicians and their lackies, as it will certainly include the vast number of illegal immigrants not included in official figures. This also agrees with the evidence of one's own eyes when walking around virtually any British city.
Liberal Democrat Spokesman Chris Huhne says that "parts of the country, like Scotland, need and want more population". Rubbish! The only people who want this are the lunatic SNP. What we do want, are permanent skilled workers from other parts of the UK who cannot get employment in their own areas. What we do not need are migrants who come and go as it suits them, causing chaos in our schools,housing and medical services, not to mention our dire transport system. With high unemployment, and students unable to get employment, the last thing we need are migrants taking any more jobs.
Who has agreed that being born abroad is the best measure of immigration? Surely the best measure is the number of people coming in on foreign passports? After all, thousands of British people were born abroad simply because their parents served in the colonies or the army.
"There are more than 15 million peeps in the UK who were born abroad." Ah the *pull a statistic from my backside * brigade are here I see. Im assuming you have gone around and counted them all?
I cant wait for the election there is going to be so many people voting BNP or UKIP. Not one of the major parties seem to be interested in tis problem.
It has become really irritating the way immigrants are being vilified in the British Media. If anyone is to blame, then it's the British incompetence in dealing with any pressing issue. Here's a wake-up call to the "Great British People", it's not the immigrants who are the reason behind your woes; this is your own doing: all you do is keep whining about the fact that immigrants are taking your jobs. When you're done dreaming of becoming the next Beckham or the next Moss, and start learning a few skills and a working knowledge of any other language, then maybe you stand a chance of competing against the "sleazy" immigrants. In the mean time, you need the immigrants more than they need you. Keep that in mind before going on your next binge drinking spree. We wouldn't have come here if wed didn't love this Great Country.
Its going to get a lot worse
I find it hypocritical that a lot of native Brits who have left this country and invaded a foreign country are sitting behind their computers and citing high immigration levels in Britain as the reason for leaving. Never mind you living as foreigners in someone else's country eh? I, like thousands of other British people, come from immigrant stock and am very proud of this fact. Nowhere does it state that you have to be a native of a country to reside there, people who hold this view are just racists.
How many more times do we need to be told? We KNOW. The question is who can or is actualy prepared to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
I find it hypocritical that a lot of native Brits who have left this country and invaded a foreign country are sitting behind their computers and citing high immigration levels in Britain as the reason for leaving. Never mind you living as foreigners in someone else's country eh? I, like thousands of other British people, come from immigrant stock and am very proud of this fact. Nowhere does it state that you have to be a native of a country to reside there, people who hold this view are just racists.
Blame the brain-dead idiots who keep voting for the Lib/Lab/Con brigade, and they will vote for them again. You can't reason with idiots who get what they voted for and then write to the news papers complaining about it!!!
If 1 in 10 is the 'official' figure then you can double it and double it again!
I wonder how many more were allowed in since liebore got in. They sold us out. They really have no idea of how many of us have left (full time) since they stopped checking the people leaving at the boarder control. Ha ha ha!! Sorry! Did I say boarder control.
So this is the "official" figures. What about all the illegal immigrants? The legal ones who have come through customs correctly can not be blamed. The others, who come in illegally, or through dubious marriage contracts are the drain on society.
Daniel Smith from London..... I totally agree with your comments. What did it ever mean to be British?..... it's just the piece of land you happen to be born on. No-one has the right to tell another human being that they can't settle here. Any issues about benefits and employment have been created by our government. Before passport and immigration laws people were free to travel wherever they could afford to go.... and rightly so. What about the British Empire and the damage inflicted upon our 'subordinates'? Or does that not count?
The reason I and millions like me left. Those one in ten aren't contribution the the wealth and growth of the UK but a drain on society. I 'd like to know the proportion of males and females it seems to me the majority of immigrants are male 20 to 40 years of age which is creating future problems for the balance of the British population. - Gary, Marbella, 9/12/2009 6:49 You do realise that you're an immigrant yourself Gary? And I hope you're aware that if the UK does leave the EU, you and other Brits staying in Spain will not be possible.
I see that a small number of the posters on here take the same view as the government. That no one 'owns' anywhere. I wish our ancestors who fought for this country had known that. But anyway,in a democracy the view of the majority should be considered. And we all know the majority never wanted mass immigration. End of.
This number, I aht to point out, does also include everyone who was born on a military base, born on holiday, born when their parents lived abroad and then came back, people born in Commonwealth countries like Australia, NZ, Canada etc plus America and then married Brits and have children here. The number of '1 in 10' is being spun out of all proportion, even Green has said this although that is at the end of the article and not in the headline, so I doubt anyone here has read it.
Dear Colonel Grey:... "the bin of the world" ? ? most of my well-educated, acute, irreplaceable friends (graduates from the best Polish Universities, who could be top-teachers, top-managers just to name a few) are now in the UK. Many thanks.. You don't want them - give them back to me! :(
It has been a delberate policy on behalf if this Labour Gov. to change the face of Britain through mass immigration, the majority of which comes from the third world. 70% of immigrants vote Labour plus those on benefits - do the maths. Many of our towns and cities no longer resemble the UK, and although muslims are supposed to only represent 3% of the population they seem to have a 25% voice with even their own parliament. Most immigrants have double the number of children as the native population. Can you imagine how this is going to impact on our country in 20 or 30 years time. The UK that we once knew is just a nostalgic memory - you can thank Nu Labour for that.
I say double the income tax, and half the benefits, to all immigrants who have not lived in the UK for at least 30 years. They can go home or pay up for the services they use and have not contributed for.
These foreigners are presumably just the ones the govt. knows about. What about the ones they dont - millions of illegals will take the total even higher.
Real figures? it feels like there are more. Time for a change in government asap, lets give Britain back to the British before its too late. We were not asked for this influx of foreigners, who would have said yes? Nobody I know, we are drowning in multiculturism, can someone throw us a lifebelt?
Why don't you all just go like you've been threatening to? I'm sure we'd all be happier without your constant racist moaning. And to all those whiners commenting from other countries: It's none of your business any more.
Are this government still offering funds for illegals to be repatriated? Can I get any so I can be repatriated in New Zealand (closer to the England I can remember as a child)
I believe the white English population will be a minority before long, given birth rates 2 in 3 births are to non English mothers, we will be outbred and outnumbered within my lifetime. I so wish I could emigrate as there will be nothing left for my 11 year old child when he leaves school at 18. What a sad legacy for our children. The Government wonder why there is such an increase in the BNP and such. Lib Lab Con have ruined us as a nation.
Why always a dig at the Polish and other eastern block countries. How many illegal Africans are living in UK?
Britain has been trashed in every way possible by its own government.It will take many years to fix broken Britain. A new Government would be a good start .The present Government is hanging around like a bad smell and is only making the situation worse.
A qoute for you form those that actually didi this survey: "And let's be clear, the category 'foreign-born mothers' includes British people born overseas, such as children whose parents are in the Armed Forces or those who come to Britain at a very early age. "Overall, net-migration is falling, showing that migrants come to the UK for short periods of time, work, contribute to the economy and then return home."
- Mikey, Wales, 9/12/2009 7:53 says << just look at the English, they have a German family running as their Monarchs. >> So what? We English are also Germanic (Anglo-Saxons). Your point is unlearned and simplistic, though: The Hanoveran (German) line clai
There would not be so many were it not for the benefit system. Stop all benefits to foreigners until they have paid towards the system for a number of years.
This is just so unfair. We were never asked about immigration.
Thanks New Labour for destroying my country ,my democracy,my pension and my way of life.My folks fought the Nazis and I work every day of my life .All to what avail? To fund the importation of people who detest our values and then put them up at our expense. You then sell us out to Europe,fund terrorist sympathetic schools,and underequip our troops.But of course you champagne socialists dont have to live in the world you created for us,do ya?
Are the members of this government deaf or are they all mentally challenged ? Why do they not understand that they destroying our great country !!
Sensible Englishmen/women all emigrated years ago..... I left 30 years ago as I did not like the idea of subsidising a dysfunctional foreign royal family from my hard earned wage packet.........
Thats fine if they have ligitimate right of abode and gainful legal employment. Otherwise OUT!
Why were the people never asked if the wanted a multicultural country? lt was because the answer would have been an overwhelming NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they will keep on coming as long as we keep giving them money. Surely Taxes (much as we despise them) should be used for the infrastructure of the country - roads, schools, hospitals, etc. One of the UK's biggest problems is the fact that billions are now spent on giving people who don't work a similar (or even better) lifestyle compared with those who do. Now I've been out of work several times and I fully sympathize with those made redundant, and wish jobseekers every success. It is the lunacy of handouts to the workshy and to those who just appear in the UK that has to stop. Get people into decent paying jobs and make them self-sufficient. They are adults and should look after themselves, not leech off others. Welfare should be a temporary last resort, not a way of life.
Now I understand. New Labour creates a THIRD WORLD country called the UK and invites everyone to live off us or just come over and have fun. Meanwhile, we hardworking Brits can just leave this disaster zone and repopulate the abandoned lands from which the emigrants came and start again. That does it for the UK and the socialist Labour traitors have their Statsi to play with. Clever. Never thought of that.
It must be the fault of our education system when even the simplest of sums never seem to add up correctly to the actual reality, 1 in 10 , c'mon pull the other one!
When my wife and her pram got spat on by asian youths in the asian area we used to live in in Coventry i started to question why i still live in this country. I wouldnt even call it a racial issue thats the biggest problem anymore. The largest issue is the fact everyone seems to not care. We have reached a point where migrants and differing cultures are immediately classed as racial issues. I dont understand why we cant be typically British but also be from different cultures. This country has lost its signature and individual mark. I would not dream of going to another country and expect that country to bend to fit in my ways but i do see that kind of thing happening here. What is British these days ? I actually look at the British flag and wonder what went wrong and at what point it went wrong ? Im 35 and this country has completely changed since i was a nipper. People used to celebrate the queens jublilee in the street !!! What do we celebrate now ?
However, Border and Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said:'And let's be clear the category "foreign-born mothers" includes British people born overseas -? what? Does that then mean that say a pakistani immigrant who gives birth to a child in the uk would indeed be a pakistani and NOT british as the government says it is at present? if a ministers lips are moving. he's lying about something!
The communists on here defending this are truly remarkable people - that is remarkably gullible. Daniel, London Yes, people have the right to go anywhere, but to my expense? No thanks. You have to remember when the British travelled the world and captured land they would have seen the people (in Africa especially) as very primitive with no defined territories - ever seen a map come out of Africa? Therefore they took the land and claimed it for a highly advanced country; bringing infrastructure and other advancements with them. They fought independence wars to get us out and then invaded our country. Surely you can see just how flawed your arguments are?
Why is it that when you see a documentary on TV about island life the 'PC Presenter' will end the programe with a comment about preserving the island identity........ and yet when ever we say we want to preserve our island identity we are called R A C I S T.
We are told that 81% of the land in Britain is still farmland and forest.And that we can easily accomodate more immigrants.However as more immigrants are pouring into the towns and cities more British people are pouring out.And this is leading to intolerable pressures on land as more is needed for housebuilding.So as the population increase more of our precious countryside is going to disappear.Especially in England which is already one of the mosr crowded countries in the world.Additionally the quality of life in the towns and cities is declining as more immigrants crowd into the already densely populated urban areas. Finally we are told as an absolute truth that immigration is good for Britain.However this surely depends on which immigrant community we are talking about.The rapidly growing Somalian community for instance has 80% unemployment and very high birth rates .So i am not sure how that benefits Britain.
The figures still don't add up! London must now be at least 50% foreign and the rest of the country 35% non UK, at this rate true Brits will be in the minority within 10 years. It's too late, most white English indigenous people are already leaving England for a better life overseas. The UK is fast becomming a third World country, not only in living standards but lifestyle, religion and values. It's not rocket science, just look in your local primary school, the evidence is there for all to see.
I think this government (and others I suspect) are getting exactly what THEY want. You only have to work in London (as I do) and travel up to London (as its creeping further out of London now as well) and listen to the different languages on the trains/tubes to realise that we (the English - as I am and proud of it) are becoming the minority in this country. They know why they have opened the flood gates to let all and sundry in ... to completely change our way of life and they have succeeded ... even crime or the way it is committed has changed in this country and why because ALL these different societies have different cultural ways and values of life itself. And the governments think that we the public believe all the propaganda they spew out to us - well we don't anymore. You the government are the puppets, and we the public are just watching the show and there doesn't seem to be a thing we can do about it because all governments are the same.
I think there were statistics published a few years ago that said that there were 5-6 million British people living and working abroad. All this proves is that people are more mobile these days and far less inclined just to live and work in the country in which they were born. It's not a trend unique to this country -it's happening worldwide.
Life and society has been changed out of all recognition Those responsible for this invasion of immigrants should be taken to task The stress and strain on the country and the infrastructure is going to push it beyond breaking point The same clowns who allowed this immigration are the ones preaching about climate change and C02 emission perhaps if there were not so many people living on this small island we could reduce our contribution to the problem More people more pollution or haven't our political masters got that or is it all about votes Stop all immigration now
Many immigrants have come here from similar European cultures. They work hard, pay their taxes and integrate well into the community. They are not the problem, it's the ones who abuse our benefits system and will not integrate that are. Those who come only for what they can get out of us, and who refuse to give up the culture of their previous lands, whether it be lawlessness or religious intolerance, are the real problem.
walking in the city centre i heard a strange accent cum dialect i then realised that i was listening to a leeds couple talking.
What I love is how those who are anti-immigration simply refute the statistics and then pull numbers out of the air and claim they are correct. This place is daily evidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Real figures? it feels like there are more. Time for a change in government asap, lets give Britain back to the British before its too late. We were not asked for this influx of foreigners, who would have said yes? Nobody I know, we are drowning in multiculturism, can someone throw us a lifebelt?
This is all part of the master plan for the destruction of the UK. The left and liberals combined with our enemies after WW2 after realising that bombs are not required to destroy a country. The will of the people can be destroyed by removing their rights and the introduction of outside breeding stock. Anthony Charles and his new labour group continued the good work with unlimited help and financial input to any PC agency. Any objection is labeled racist and subject to a course of retraining or rethinking. The introduction of the human rights act and the sell off to Europe was another step. Normal people accept that controlled immigration has and will benefit this country and can thank previous good immigrants for helping this country to achieve great things prior to the war. New labour believes in uncontrolled immigration and lavishing the world's flotsam and jetsam with unlimited benefits at the expense of the British people. These people ensure that labour has a core vote.
I dont mind immigration at all, I ve made some very good pals who have come over from europe and further afield. People are People. What difference does it make where they come from? It's the same in most countries in the world, people immigrate and people emigrate. Just my opinion but i'm sure that opinion will not be popular with daily mail fans. I sometimes wonder if the daily mail would be better off in another country for the amount of time they spend bashing "broken britain" . tsk.
Now we find that one in ten in this country is foreign born, as to the figures I take it that this is an average. In my estimation, after a visit to London recently, I would calculate 3 out of 5 was a foreigner. The multiplicity of languages was mind blowing; but in the three weeks in that British capital that seemed more and more like visiting another country, not once did I hear a London or Cockney accent. We are being over run by foreigners in this country. This is all down to social engineering by the politically correct, who want to drag us into their idea of the perfect society. Where did these political parties get the mandate from to allow all these foreigners in here?
People of the small island off the north coast of the Franco German Empire, please do not worry we are europeans Now ! The ex lefty cronie treasurer of CND will ensure your interests - not. Don't we already know that Nu Labour's apparent lack of a policy on immigration was actualy a very careful policy designed to gerrymander votes and change our society in their twisted image.
There may be a way to reduce our "carbon footprint" by at least 10% Anyone? Anyone? Yes. That`s right.
But the 3 main parties will promise "change" and that they wont do it again. The zombies will vote for them and they will carry on as normal subverting the UK.
It's about time the government gives us native English assisted passage to escape the mess they have made and live a better life. England is no more.
I was born here. I have served and fought for my country. I am well educated and experienced in several trades and professions. I am white, male, over 45 and want to work. I am unemployed, bordering on the unemployable. I have no money left and am in danger of losing my house and home. This means that I cannot emigrate, I cannot retire early. All I can get is JSA. One immigrant/refugee family in London has been here for 18 (YES - 18!) years, have not worked or paid in, yet can get £1,300 a WEEK for accomodation and afford good cars and clothes. £1,300 a MONTH would make me happy. I CAN'T even earn that. Who cares? Lies, damned lies - and statistics.
Why have a 5year government,this government is now doing so much,to please the voters we only need a 6mnth parliment.immigration why bother this mad bunch walks all over the british,and they expect us to vote for them,vote for any of the big three,and you vote for less democracy,more immigration .and a bigger big brother eu.look at the countries not in the eu,a lot better in terms of wealth and no problems with asylum ,and immigration.think before you vote
Mr P. Woolas states; "These population projections do not take into account the impact of future Government policies". I hope to God that in six months time Mr Woolas will have no input in Government policies. I shall vote BNP to remove this present incumbent dictatorship. For anyone who enjoys works of fiction don't forget to listen to Mr (Hans Christian) Darling this afternoon. Have a nice day!
I am an "immigrant". I was born in South Africa and moved to UK when I was 25. I have always had a British Passport due to having a British mother. I have never claimed a single benefit and have worked ever since I arrived. I wish the same could be said for the others who give us all a bad name. Rule Britannia!
So next they will tell us the crime rate has risen, in the last 30 years. The Health Service is on its knees and policing is so fully stretched it can't cope anymore. Our childrens education is suffering because for so many children in our schools English is not their first language and they have to learn that before they can be taught anything else. WAKE UP Government and smell the coffee while you still have a bit of a country to govern!
Divide and conquer. It's just what the government want.
It doesnt take a National Statistician to figure this out, ive only got to open my front door and take my kids to school its like ive woken up in a different country. i know where my vote and many peoples votes are going at the next election.
The Border Agency wat a set up typical of this country - wanna come in ,claim ring this number up and that number up ,wanna report someone whose illegal - YOU HAVE TO SEND A EMAIL . No wonder its so easy for anyone to get in .Then to add insult to injury the agency are getting a nice big BONUS
Time to put a stop to positive discrimination then, or to put it another way, time to stop discrimination against us native brits.
1 in 10 foreign born, then add the children born to them but born here, and the figure is at least double. RIP UK.
Dont pull the wool over our eyes woolas, we can see what is happening, just walk down every street in the Uk, and see for yourself.. Your government have ruined the country from top to bottom. Did you really despise us so much ?.. in your world youwanted a great big melting pot. But what you have created is a country more divided than ever...... Your leadership will go down in history ,for all the wrong reasons. Shame on you lot of idiots
Although immigration from Eastern Europe is of concern, it is immigration from Asia which is of the greatest concern to the ethnic British. And these figure are only counting the 'legal' immigrants. What about the up to three million illegals. All immigration mus be stopped now!
Madness inflcted on us by marxist troskyites churned out by the universities, in the name of new enlightment why they destroy our inherited indigenous culture, and they have got everywhere, education, police, civil service, councils, heath service, the churches ect, ect, and its all to create a global viilage on this overpopulated island and then they bang on about global warming which they have brought about by large scale immigration to and from countries like this one , you see its all about control and their demented egos, but i feel it will it will all end in tears, i feel sorry for the the future generations the future looks bleak.
1 in 10, is it? Almost as low a proportion as the number of indigenous English in this subversive "Government," then. Hence the titular figure.
If you had any other expectations under this farcical Liebore government then we're sorry but you're living in cloud cuckoo land along with that nutter brown and the rest of his imbeciles.
Why pay someone to tell us what we all knew anyway. This has been deliberate government policy for years. How this country is to support these people is a question no-one can answer. The experiment has failed and without a revolution we will continue to suffer the consequences.
I can only but reflect on the fact that it would be even harder to get good gardeners, domestic staff, builders etc if it were not for this much needed injection of hardworking foreigners. It has revitalised the country In my experience our local gentry are amongst the most idle and useless in the world - the product of generations of welfare handouts- bone-idle and useless. When there is work to be done, thank goodness for foreigners - ask yourself, if, given a choice, would you really employ a lazy, poorly educated Brit over a hard working skilled foreigner. Of course not.
Too many people are coming into the UK to sponge, not to work, and there are far too few people working to be able to support these ever-increasing numbers - and why should we support them anyway? I don't know about 70m being a politicially sensitive number, isn't it sufficiently sensitive now? We should halt all immigration while we get our house back in order, and deport all illegal immigrants immediately. New arrivals should go straight on the next transport out. No ifs, no buts, no exceptions. Genuine asylum seekers should escape to their nearest safe country and then apply legally to go to their country of choice. The French blame the UK for camps like Sangatte, because our welfare system makes people desperate to get here - and they are right, it's time to stop the free ride. The system needs a complete overhaul - and not by Liebour. I fear we may be heading for civil war if things don't change, and soon.
Nick Griffin is better educated on this subject than anyone. Let him give a fair and damning report on this subject and renew this story from his perspective. The reading of his report will outline the true impact on our society and also give advise on the necessary remedies.
Then that is 5% To Many, the influx should be drasticaly reduced from now on.
The greatest concern is not where people came from, but what they do when they get here. Given the extremely high birth rates of many immigrant families, something that doesn't change even with second generations, it is easy to see the UK population soaring well above that dreadful 70 million figure. I don't particularly care if a person is European, Asian or African, but I DO care that our countryside will be covered in concrete, our air polluted, our roads will be totally congested, and our health and social systems will be staggering under the strain. Living in densely populated countries is bad for health, bad for quality of life and bad for the environment.
10% not much ... if you listen to the press it makes it out to be more like 60% ... we need them so lets keep them
Can we mention the BNP? I suppose as long as you use the word 'odious' to prefix them we can all but stop ourselves voting for common sense.
When will we stand up and say enough is enough?
Migrationwatch is not a think tank. It is a pressure group.
Immigration is out of control and cost the tax payer to much money. Most of the third world and eastern block new comers are on minimum wage have large families and sent their earnings back to their homeland the winners are the bosses who want cheap labour. The losers most of the indigenous population . Losing our culture and our chances for wage rises and chance to buy our own homes. Thank you LabLib Con.
Our political masters plan to replace the indiginous population with cheap foreign labour who are almost garanteed to vote for them in an election is almost complete. No wonder anyone who can afford to leave these shores are leaving in droves.
These are just the foreign born. The children born here of migrants are not included. That will boost the figure considerably. This is not about minorities either. Those well settled here for generations will not show up. One has to admit that Nick Griffin has a point when he talks about the plight of the indigenous population. It is certainly beleaguered now. What is most annoying apart from the massive overcrowding is the amount of disinformation the government hass given us over the years regarding numbers of minorities and migrants. Cultural wars are going to ensue. If one puts whites aside for a moment, the different cultures of the burgeoning immigrant population groups are incompatible.
Want room to breathe again.... want your country returned to traditional Anglo-Saxon values... and beliefs ? Want your country to determine it's own destiny once more... without the influence of foreign politicians ? Want your stolen heritage and birthright back ? Want to rid ourselves of ILLEGAL immigrants ? Want to hold your head up high again... and look the world in the eye ? I suspect you do..... It's not my place to tell you which party to vote for..... I think you already KNOW. (And it's not the traitors who brought you all this misery..... Labour - Conservative - Liberal ). On election day..... be brave.... and please do your patriotic duty !
They don't know what they are talking about. I couldn't bring myself to read the whole article as I get too annoyed. I do know that boys who stay at home longer do it because of the lack of available housing & the extortionate cost of what little is available not because they "want" to put off standing on their own 2 feet. Also if the government says there are 6.7 million immigrants we know there MUST be at LEAST half that again & even 6.7 would be 6 million too many.
Appalling! Simply appalling and a dilution of the British character. And all because Labour wish to expand their voting base. Despicable and MUST be "corrected"!
We were assured by politicians that immigrants were good for our economy. So why is it we're in the worst recession since the 1930's ?British jobs for British people; don't make me laugh ! Oh I forgot the golden rule -mustn't say anything negative about immigration as you'll be called a "racist".
That is only the ones that they know about.
British culture is being pulled from under our feet, and we didn't even vote for it.
Please remember..in all of this, we voted for politicians that have allowed this increase to happen. I suspect that many of the people that have come have done so because of our health care and social benefits. We have the politicians we deserve.
So thats one in ten that certainly wont fight to defend this country if needed.Whata shambles were in.
This is utterly shameful. No wonder most Brits we speak to want to escape the madness that the UK has become. Please somebody, shut the door.
It is all thanks to this Labour Government that this has happened and is still happening with figures likely to get even higher than the present statistics. It is inevitable too that most of these immigrants are young people and will probably breed like rabbits now that they are here. England isn't what it used to be.
I've always said the country has turned into a foreign one to me since I was a kid. The lib-lab-con should be tried for treason because the public should have had a say on such a huge issue just like the EU.
Your comments:I am sure that these figures have been massaged so that ordinary people can understand them. They should conclude two out of every ten, and in London and some northern towns the figures 4 in ten.
It's true, but it has always been happening, just look at the English, they have a German family running as their Monarchs.
The bin of the world!
So 20,000 more Poles came to the UK than left last year. It's good to see some honesty at last from the newly-independent (and probably more truthful) ONS, but didn't our 'government', ably assisted by the stooge Institute for Public Policy Research, tell us a few months ago that many more Poles were leaving than were coming in?
My husband is American & we'd love to go back there - the quality of life is much better, taxes much lower. Unfortunately we're scammed so much in this country that we can't afford to go.......if the Gov't paid for us a fraction of the money the squander elsewhere we'd be off - I suspect there would be a mass exodus of citizens & migrants alike. Gordon - HINT, HINT...........
what complete rubbish from Woolas..as the report found Eastern Europeans make up only 10% of the influx.....and how many British children are born abroad to parents in the armed services? surely a very small number indeed...you only have to do a bit of research to find out that the Home Office have been granting British citizenship to well over 100,000 foreigners each year for years...that gives you some idea of how much immigration has increased the population...and once granted citizenship they can leave the UK and go back to their home countries and any children born to them abroad will also be British (and entitled to come here)...think about it..but at least labour have realised their dream of a multi cultural Utopia...not!
The way this country is going everyone will be deserting soon like rats leaving a sinking ship.
That people have to work hard to pay taxes used to support an overwhelming number of immigrants, have to compete against newcomers for the few jobs available, and then be told to put up and shut over swamping of British culture and values (which has not just been allowed but actively encouraged) is heartbreaking.
I know am 1 of them! Cant afford to leave home at 33!! and have a child living with parents also. I am unable to get a mortgage for myself and son, even tho i work full time. I pay rent at home which is less than i would pay to a private landlord. My parents have brought up their family and are ready for the quiet life and i would like my independence. Unfortunately cant see that happening in the near future unless theres a new government or maybe marry a lottery winner....
The reason I and millions like me left. Those one in ten aren't contribution the the wealth and growth of the UK but a drain on society. I 'd like to know the proportion of males and females it seems to me the majority of immigrants are male 20 to 40 years of age which is creating future problems for the balance of the British population.
I know how to sort this out, find all the illegal immigrants and throw them out! Oh, wait, that would be in breach of their human rights, silly me.
Come on now you 'Life on the Line' bosses. You have failed. It is official. Pay back those unearned bonus's.
and just think how many kids some of them get when they come here...
Will somebody in goverment with half a brain finely say O yes lets shut all the borders now its gone on far to long,herd all the so called ones who they say are keeping the country going and ship them OUT.This is the main subject in all the canteens in Britain.STOP all hand outs and stick them in airplane hangers untill we can ship them OUT,not million pound houses they are taking the p and the goverment cannot see it.IM A TAX PAYER GET ME OUT OF HERE.
Labours open door policy, say no more. These are the official figures so the truth is probably double this amount, then add on the illegals that are now on benefits etc.
I am more interested to know what these people contribute to our sociaety rather than how many there are of them...
I don't think your figures are anywhere near correct and you are millions out. The statisticians are just plucking numbers out of the air
Wow! That is a fantastic increase in productivity by the Dept. of Immigration and Borders Agency, they certainly earned their ten thousand bonus.
The National Statistics are a farce. How can Jil Matheson smile in her picture? The truth is more like 4 in 10. Dogbert says: 63% of all statistics are made up... including this one.
This is news! Anyone who lives in a town or a city can see for themselves the influx of immigrants that dominate the area. The older you are the more you are aware of the radical changes. Very sad.
When is Britiain officially full? At what population density. The world has an average population density of around 40 people per square mile. We are currently at about 560 people per sq mile. When it hits 70 million it will be 650 people per sq mile. As for Woolas stating lets be clear on the number of children born too service personnel in foreign countries. It is very few in comparison to the number of migrants that have arrived in this country. Very few indeed! Whats the number please? 10,000 a year or less? To an annual immigration level of 200,000+? Recognising that those on the lowest income have been hit harder surely it would be a good time too double the minimum wage just too compensate. All rhetoric with no substance trying dammed hard to justify relection when they should be condemmed not for immigration par se but for the sheer scale of numbers.
The ONS insists on trotting out all these dubious, spin and waffle statistics regarding how many alleged immigrants there currently are in the UK. Joe Public knows different. The wholly discredited Home Office recently stated there are 40,000 illegal immigrants in the UK that cannot be located. When I re-quoted the Home Office numbers I was severely criticised. There are 400,000 illegal immigrants in London alone. 6.7 million in the UK were born abroad? Absolute rubbish. There are more than 15 million peeps in the UK who were born abroad. With 8,000 English peeps packing their bags and getting out of the UK EVERY WEEK, for a better life in a more civilised country, it will not be too long before being English in England is classified as a criminal offence.
And Brown, Cameron etc still dont understand why an ever increasing number of voters are committing their votes to BNP. Then again perhaps they do understand but are to spineless to admit and face the truth that a vast number of the electorate are deeply concerned about what is happening to our country and want an immediate and complete halt to the uncontrolled immigration allowed by our current goverment
Phil Woolas is very right, all these sort of projections had been done in the past and it has been found to be highly accurate. The big issue here is that no one owns this country. It was by pure accident that all those born in this country happen to be born here. Simple. NO ONE DESERVED to be born here. Yes immigration should be controlled but let us understand that we are all human beings and we have the right to travel anywhere we want. No one owns a single portion of the earth. Where was the points-based system when the brirish squandered Africa and other parts of the world and its reources? Were were all these controls?
Good Bye Labour - Hello BNP.
I don't think it is xenophobic to express concern about immigration. However, and unfortunately, what happens is that Governments ignore these very reasonable concerns and extremist/ racist parties pick up these issues by making them their highlighting policies consequently turning (or making look) a legitimate issue into a racist one.
Too many by far.
Now that makes it a lot easier for people to find jobs!
UKIP
Who cares? It does not matter whether anyone who is not white, with generational dna of the vikings, and a daily subscription to tabloid nonsense is born here or outer Mongolia. If your different, black,blue or green then your foreign, and your not welcome. I read a headline ten years ago that said Britain was full, I have read the same headline every year since, so when is it going to be true? Never.
Inconvenient statistics Mr Woolas? Well just deny them as, of course, you have done. You won't around to deny anything when the population hits 70 million.
The native British people will be a minority sooner than they thought, i can hear the Champagne corks popping in Westminster, mission nearly accomplished.
I have lived and worked in Japan, street crime is virtually unknown, vending machines are not vandalised, the Japanese do not take kindly to foreigners who break their laws nor do they have an open door immigration policy such as that foisted secretly on the British public by NuLabour, who have consistantly lied over the numbers they allowed in, lied over the impacts of open door immigration, lied over the benefits of multi-culturalism, lied over the handing over of policies to Europe, lied over having a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, and lied over expenses, to name but a few lies we have found out about. Now, when we know what they have done, they are starting a damage limitation exercise trying to convince a demoralised sceptical voting public that the lying socialist leopard has changed its spots.
Just what the EU want, rid of the British. In time this may be true at this rate
And all the rest........................................................
And that''s only the ones they know about, clearly tens of thousands of illegals are not yet on the radar. Anyway, the Home Secretary says they are all making a valuable contribution to the economy. Of course he is conveniently not taking account of those in prison, awaiting trial or queuing up at the social security offices. The Nu Labour social engineering progrom is going splendidly.
so thats an extra 10% voting labour then.
"One in ten living in this country is foreign born" Did we not already know this, it would appear that the only people who did not know, or chose not to know, were the Labour government, still this is what they want, more immigrants more chance of getting mote Liebour votes. Oh how the good men who started the Labour movement must be turning in their graves now at this country being governed by a bunch of traitors. Wonder if this message will pass inspection as it does not support MacBroon. You all know which party to vote for at the next election, be brave just do it!
I think the majority of people know this and that's why the BNP have gained lots and lots of new supporters and they will continue to attract more new voters because of this problem in Great Britain - and it is a problem, not an issue,
Yep, soon to be out bred, out numbered and out voted. I dont believe they really know how many foreigners ( those who have no link to the UK ie anchestral ) are living in this country. Our only hope is the BNP
When will government say "Enough"? It should be up to each country to set immigration limits - including from the EU.
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
Not all Parents are behind this Petition also as a Parent at the school My 2 Children are singing different songs and they are both really enjoying it me daughter sings it to us most nights. i think its a great idea its an International singing festival !!!! and no one is being forced to go !
Doug of London is quite unrealistic in his remarks about kids' picking up languages. They do learn more easily than adults, but they are NOT being taught Lithuanian or Polish at school, and being forced to learn a song parrot fashion in a language which is meaningless top them is a totally MINDLESS exercise which flies in the face of all modern thinking about teaching and learning. It is frankly appalling and the parents are right to object.
But I bet these people sing Frere Jacques to their children?
Next time you go to vote question the candidates as to whether they support schools being taught in all things 'English,' if the candidate/s tries to turn the question on its head by referring in some context to racism, tell him/her how 'you' feel the go tell your neighbours what the candidate stands for!
The English are funny like that. They move to Wales and moan that their kids are taught Welsh. Strange people.
When I was a small child in the 1950's we were taught a French song in school, Sur le Pont d'Avignon, and sixty years later I can still remember it. I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching children a song from Lithuania but I too would be an unhappy parent if this extended to teaching my child the language itself.
This is so ridiculous! Languages are everything these days and the more languages you know and might learn will actually benefit you in future life! I know myself I would love my children to be surrounded by different languages and picking up worlds when they are young, because that would help them in the future. The younger u are the quicker u learn things and singing a song in a different language when in fact they are made sure to understand the meaning of it - big deal! Get over yourselves! When foreign nationals come to UK they have to learn English because that was their choice to move to UK for better life not just for them, but their families and having your child remember some of your culture and where you came from by singing a song is supposed to bring joy and be proud of who you are and where you came from! I am sure that if these mothers moved to France, Germany or some other non English spoken language they would be more than happy if other kids sang a song in English
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it. - Tomskj40, London, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 7:45 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. So who needs to integrate with whom? Just wondering.
So what, I was taught frere jaques, frere jaques, dormez vous, dormez vous etc when I was at school. Get over it.
"They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else" If your kid is still having trouble speaking English at 8 then frankly you've failed as a parent. Why on earth would you want just the Lithuanian kids singing Lithuanian songs and the Polish kids singing Polish songs? Should you want them to sing all the songs, including the English ones? Kids pick up languages phenomenally quickly - why on earth would you want to isolate them from learning other languages? Sounds to me like just one grumpy woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame.
if we leave the EU then all the Europeans living here will have to leave or apply for a working permit and they will not be allowed to receive any of our abundant benefits, so reducing the population and benefit payments, so I have to try this, WE have to try and achieve this goal, and the only party that will do this is UKIP, so please try and help ourselves by trying something new & hopefully helping us get the GREAT back into Britain, Labour & Conservative won,t so VOTE UKIP.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate. - Francis McGonigal , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 08:01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. That was a remarkably different time and situation, with no hidden agenda or any ulterior motive wasn't it? There is no comparison.
I'll bet these are the kind of people who holiday in Spain, but go to the hotels that serve English beer and fish and chips, and speak loudly and s-l-o-w-l-y in English to the staff rather than speak the language of the host nation. There's nothing wrong with learning new languages, and maybe if we take the effort to understand other peoples' languages and customs, we'll be- you know- less likely to make idiotic knee-jerk reactions.
Thanks to the EU, we are inundated with Europeans from what, 27 different nations? Should kids be expected to learn all of their languages? As well as that we have people from other countries such as China, Japan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, NIgeria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc. Should English kids at school have to learn to speak ALL their languages too? Isn't that asking a bit much of them? Or rather should the immigrants learn English? At the moment we are told there are a l00 different languages being spoken in some areas. Everyone wants to come to the UK. Not everyone in the UK wants to lose their culture and identity catering from the whole world. Simples. In any case, most of these immigrants still have countries where there isn't any immigration, so the problem is ours, not theirs. Yes? No?
When I was at school we were taught to sing 'O Come all ye Faithfull' in latin. I do not remember any 'outraged' parental complaints.
I feel sort for the kids.this is just another sign that this country is OVER......
I don't see a problem for the children to learn a song in a new language. Surely it can only be of benefit in the long term especially seeing as the uk does has many different nationalities living here. I think the parents should chill out! Kids are fast learners and 8 is a teachable age.
Just wait until they until they cover Eid and Urdu yet abandon Christmas. The blood boils.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate.
Our school choir has just appeared in a musical called Zimbe. They had to learn songs in Zulu, Swahili, Xhosa and Akan. A fantastic experience and they all loved it! - - - - - - The kids in this article are learning their song for a music festival - goodness me, whats wrong with that!!
Goodness, there's more to the world than just the UK. And these kids may grow up and choose to travel to Europe, so what's wrong with learning a song in a different language? Far more interesting than my boring education where we sang the same old hymns every blessed week, year in, year out.
It's all very well singing foreign songs but nothing has been said about the foreign children learning an English song - integration has to be a two way street.
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it.
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope, London, 10/7/2013 17:23 I doubt that the Lithuanians would mind the British singing Chrismas Carols as they are Christian. Lithuania is a Catholic country.
Its OK to spend some time learning songs from another culture, what is not OK is when government refuses to fund the extra resource needed to make sure that native English students are not held back because the schools have to spend more of their limited resources on the additional needs of non-English speaking Children
- youdontknowme , belfast ''... if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country.''. You are a windup? Ever been abroad
What is the matter with these silly people? It is no problem at all for an eight-year old to sing in another language - indeed the best time to learn a language is up to the age of 11 after which it becomes more difficult.
I suspect the point is not about learning foreign languages, but the fact there are so many immigrants.
I learn other langaue at school,like Spanish ,French, etc so wots the problem britian is a rasict place
We have no say in what our children learn at school, we are being told that our children are leaving school not being able to read or write properly and not equipped to get a job, but don't worry they will need to be able to speak Latvian, Lithuania, and polish to be be able to work in this country anyway so stop moaning and leave them to it, English will soon not be taught or spoken in this country soon.
I'm fed up of people trying to use the racist card whenever someone makes a comment about the immigrants living in this country. Perhaps if we werent so afraid of being prosecuted for having a view, we might not be in the mess we are today with lack of jobs, housing and health service !.
If what is being reported here is accurate, these parents are being small minded and bigoted... British kids have sung foreign songs for donkey's years... Frère Jacques ring any bells? This is an inclusion event that will get the kids to mesh and understand the world better, as well as making the foreign students feel more welcomed and accepted... with a bit of luck, and more teaching like this, the kids won't grow up as bitter as their parents seem to be.
So long as the Lithuanian kids sing in English, no problem.
I guess that is what the left has been after all along, integration with the migrant community.
What ignorant parents. I remember singing Frere Jacques as a small child in school. Can I sue for damages? No, wait, I went on to study French, German, Spanish, Japanese and Italian, so maybe not. eh?
Nothing wrong with that but I do remember my own classmates irreverently modifying the words to the French song Frere Jacques so that 'Sonnez les matines' became 'Semolina Tina.'
OMG you people are so ignorant! You complain about the Yanks but you are worst. They are teaching a child to sing in another language not requiring them to speak it all day long. Your 8 year old 'is struggling to learn to speak English? Any child born of English speaking parents should be speaking English at that age and if he isn't he is one dumb kid. I totally agree that if you immigrate to an English speaking country you should learn to speak English however, what is wrong with you people learning some other language, culture, traditions. I have always said when you come to Canada (or the UK or the USA) bring with you all that is best of your culture, traditions, arts, food but leave behind your quarrels, prejudices, vendettas and assimilate into OUR country. We want to learn about you but you have to be one of us.
pity kedge cant even type in english!
I learnt frere Jacques nd other French songs at school................I loved learning about another culture/coumtry, dont have such a closed mind...........help your children to expand their minds. Remember ..knowledge is power
They go to far some of these comments saying that the parents shouldn't be complaining my god they are only 8 yrs old pet them learn English first then when they are big school they can take on language skills England and Europe is going to be all speaking Balkan languages in the schools and Albania and Bulgaria must be empty as they are all here
As a child I was taught a French song; Frere Jaque and it didn't do me any harm. On a more important note though, there are some communities throughout Britain that are swamped by immigrants, doubling the population of some of them. This is immigration out of control.
That's great, children learn so easily when they are young. How can it harm them?
I would hope they translate those lyrics so the kids know what they're actually singing - otherwise it will just seem so much gibberish. It's probably enough of a challenge for them just to have to keep a straight face when asked to name their school - especially when they get a bit older.
What crybabies some parents are. Mandarin Chinese and French were compulsory when I was in primary school... And we learned basic French and Chinese phrases and we had this day called Cultural Day where we would celebrate French and Chinese culture. There is nothing wrong with learning other languages at all, and to the woman who says her kids are struggling in English - I suggest her kids get off the computer and read a book. What crybabies some parents are, ready to blame multiculturalism for everything.
I can however see why people find it a bad idea as, of course... This is England and if they want to be here they should learn our language... I just try to keep an open mind because I'm not able to change or control anything.
When I was in primary school which was many, many years ago, all the pupils were taught a polish Christmas carol. My teacher- probably the best in the school and definitely one of the best teachers I've ever had was Polish. She had lived in England most of her life and spoke full English with an English accent taught us about the polish ways of how they celebrated Christmas etc and it was in fact, very interesting... There was no 'foreign' people in the school and at the time that was the norm, so to speak, so to learn something about a different culture, was actually really good. Times now however have changed and these are what we are all going to have to get used to now that there are a lot of people moving to England for a better life. I think teaching children other songs in different languages is a good idea, but maybe teach an English version or even just translate it so that they are learning other languages as well?
You never know what the future holds so it doesn't hurt for someone to learn few foreign words n different culture..... You don't have to adopt it!!
I was taught Frere Jaques in nursery and Sur Le Pont D'avingnon at school, there weren't any French people there at the time. ( The meanings were explained) Seriously I hate the English speaking countries attitude to other Languages. I would LOVE to be able to speak another language, but leaving it till secondary school is too late. The parents should be happy they are doing something a bit different. Everyone else HAS to learn English though, and lucky them I say they can then speak at least 2 languages,would have loved the chance. Songs are a great way to introduce another language.
When my daughter was at school some years ago,there were plans to introduce Urdo to the curriculum.As soon as some parents started complaining it was dropped.It's not up to us to learn immigrants languages,but,for them to learn English and our customs.
A lot of the local Landlords in that town have no problem with taking rent money off migrant workers, and the local shops have no problem selling stuff to them either, but ask the locals to show a little polite behavior towards the chilldren of these workers and its suddenly grounds for a petition. As for migrants taking jobs, they didn't take them, they were given them, by local employers who clearly did not want locals working for them, so think on wisbech.
We had NO immigrant families at our school some 35 years ago, but we learnt folk songs in French, Russian, German and African and sung several Latin hymns. If children really are getting upset over singing in a language they don't understand, perhaps the parents should be educated on how to bring up well rounded, confident children who are not bigots!
oh lighten up people!!! Its a song.
Virtually every child in the uk lives Dora the explorer who also teaches kids Spanish you don't here them complaining about that! How ignorant is this nation to think that learning 1sing in another language is wrong! I was forced to do French in school for 5 years solid as many children are today what's the difference aside from the fact that many britains are resentful against Eastern European so have chosen to take issue with a song how ridiculous!
What's wrong with learning songs in a different language? When I was in school we learned songs in Spanish French Irish and German? We all loved it! If the children really were upset its probably because their narrow minded parents have rubbed off on them!
Diversity - yes. Tolerance - yes. But we want immigrants to respect they've immigrated to another country and to respect OUR culture, language and values. Not to ignore them and build separate communities. Never labour again.
I have been a minority for the past 36 years (Japan 10 years, Bali 2 years and now Thailand 24 years) and I would never dream of trying to impose my views on the local populations, they probably wouldn't stand for it either. I thank my lucky stars at having left England all those years ago and have fitted in with the locals in whichever country I have lived in at the time. Minorities have to understand that having once made the decision to live in a country, other than their own, that they must adapt and confirm. It's not so difficult if you love your adopted country!
Nobody has said that these immigrant children or their families have refused to learn English, so all those saying 'learn English or go', that's all very well but this isn't the case on this story, this is about narrow minded parents not wanting their children to learn foriegn songs at an INTERNATIONAL MUSIC FESTIVAL! How idiotic is it to allow your child to attend such an event and expect them to only sing in English? How exactly are a couple of children's songs in another language 'taking over the school'? Pathetic and immature behaviour by two attention seekers who are delighted enough to be pictured!
The kids should have had the right to choose. Anyone coming to this country should have to learn the language same if we go to another country.
Is this any different from the song "Frère Jacques" that we sang in my primary school? No and I bet the kids will enjoy singing it?
British expats who move to places like Spain tend to stick together in communities, eat at English pubs that are specifically opened for them and often make no effort to learn the language or adapt to Spanish etc culture. Not everybody is like this but we all know it's true. Yet when some migrants come here, who I might add are often just the same, we go into an uproar. Pretty ridiculous that people are angry that their kids are being taught a song in another language. It's hardly going to harm them, since hardly any kids in this country even attempt to learn another language. We are no better than the immigrants and we are no better at adapting to different cultures than immigrants. This article proves it.
disgrace
Ah, Wisbech that bastion of sanity. Lithuanian is a wonderful language to learn, they should think themselves lucky!
The the comments on this article make depressing reading. The kids learnt a song in another language to sing at a music festival. Why is this an issue? Are the parents so insecure that they deny their children exposure to other cultures? Or is this just made up nonsense intended to provoke the Ukip voting, fascist light, lowest common denominators?
When you move to a new country you do as that country does. You live in that society, follow its rules and speak the language. If you can't do that you may as well stay in your home country. That also means that Brits moving to France, Spain or Greece should do the same. My family left the UK in 2004 and we have totally embraced our adopted country and way of life. So yes I do practice what I preach!
OK I can grasp the international singing festival but why didn't the school choose to sing the songs in the least spoken languages in the school and have all the children learn something different? what did the Polish & Lithuanian children gain from this? Easy teaching maybe?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up. - MrGymJunky, York England, 10/07/2013 16:03 Half your class weren't French though were they? Completely different. Learning about other cultures is educational, being swamped by them is terrifying.
What .... Disgrace !
So why didn't the school bother to provide a translation of the songs into English for the pupils and parents? Seems at best very lax that they did not.
'Children were in tears as they didn't understand the song ', because some one tells them there is one language English !! Will they also cry in their German and French classes I wonder!
No doubt this head teacher loves the EU, votes Lib Dem and supports wind farms.
Ignorant parents! So the children did not understand the lyrics - neither did we when we first heard Frere Jaques. (another foreign song).........until someone taught us the meaning. No one is suggesting that they be taught other lessons in Lithuanian. Learning songs in different languages is interesting and expands the children's knowledge painlessly and enjoyably.
Just tell your kids to ignore it and tell the teachers. If it was my child i would be annoyed as well. They are british and want to remain British and they wont be made to learn some thing that they dont agree with.The quicker we are out of this European union the better for our kids.
Oh, good grief. Back in 1970 we were taught to sing 'Frere Jacques' without anyone going home in "floods of tears" and there wasn't a solitary French kid in the school nor were we actually being taught French at age six.
I wonder of the Polish and Lithuanian parents have been asked their opinion by the school. Because having several Polish friends I know that they are keen for heir children to learn to speak English and to become part of our culture. This is a very patronising attitude by a silly PC Head who feels she knows=best.
We should been teaching the migrants more about English culture as it is the country they want to live in !!!
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them - Kaygrogan1, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:22 So do we then force Maths and English on them? You go to school to LEARN! The world is a lot smaller these days and I would hazard a guess the being multi-lingual will put you top of the pile if you want to work for any international corporation. We moan that young people cannot find work. We moan when teachers try to teach something diverse to help them in the future. Outrage at children being taught at school - you really couldn't make this up! One world - Multiculturalism!
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10____________Oh, it's terrible, immigrants swanning into other countries and just expecting acceptance. By the way, how's life in Spain?
I've heard it all now!!!
I think in this case it's ok to sing a song from another culture...it's not like it's every day assembly. if kids were giving up 'morning has broken' and 'all things bright & beautiful' for foreign songs that'd be very different. anyway, pic 1 tells you all you need to know.
I don't see the problem when I was younger I had to learn a song in Spanish just because!! People are talking about pc when this has nothing to do with that it's a SONG IN POLISH not lessons being taught in polish get over it
Britain is very nearly dead.
Good grief what is the problem? I was taught "Frère Jacques" in junior school and sang Silent Night in German, we loved leaning these songs! What is wrong with these parents??????
If they were taught the song in normal circumstances it would lead us to question whether our culture in a way is being taken over and disregarded in our own land. But it's an international music theme?! If it was all british that's not very international is it
There is nothing wrong with learning the beauty of other languages and about other cultures. The problem is when knee-jerk multi-culturalism has the effect of messing up a child's appreciation of their own culture, simply by taking up so much time and because the children's opportunity to express themselves with their own and their parents and ancesters' culture is taken away. The festival is a cultural expression after all and mixing all the cultures up this way so they just become so much flim-flam and white noise just produces the kind of ignorance about other countries we see in the American system. I wouldn't get too hot under the collar about it except to say that schools should listen to the parents more before they engage in these experiments.
What's the prime ministers view on this? I find it disgraceful !! This country is ruined......
when I was in primary school in the early 90s, we learnt a song in French. No-one battered an eyelid. I don't get the issue at all.
i don't see what the problem is here. it's an INTERNATIONAL singing festival so what the hell were they expecting?!!!
How many English people learn another language when visiting other countries I wonder?
I had to learn a song in Welsh at primary school (in Devon, nowhere near Wales!) and I'm still proud to remember most of it now, as these kids should too at 30.
Learning foreign languages is culture...
The point is being missed somewhat here. When all these people learnt frere Jaques, as I did years ago, the school would not have consisted of one third French children who needed extra support and help, and were using manpower and financial resources put in place and paid for by the parents of the local English children. I would guess the issue has little to do with the song, which has become a symbol of the parent's disquiet at the unfairness of having to accommodate I adequately funded foreign nationals in the school and in the wider environment. These parents are afraid, and their concerns should be acknowledged and dealt within the same vein as the requirements of the Latvians, or whoever it happens to be at the time.
When I was a child we were taught that song in french about pulling a bird apart or something and none of us had any clue what it mean yet that was fine?! Desperate housewives with nothing better to do than complain!!
Oh no... Not kids being taught something cultural and exciting then?! In a world like the one we live in today it is perfectly normal for children to learn songs in other languages, especially if a lot of the children at the school are in fact lithuanian?! They wouldn't complain at their child being taught french I bet... Sounds a little controversial to me!!
Oh for God's sake, I'm glad the school isn't bowing to this kind of bullying. What kind of homes are they providing for their children? They are hardly bringing them up to be broad-minded are they? When I was at school we sang songs like Frere Jacques and nothing sinister happens to us at all. I had and have no idea what the words mean, it was just fun to sing them. Integration doesn't mean that another culture has to take the place of another. Why shouldn't children learn about other people - maybe these children would have a better chance of actually achieving something with their lives - something their parents obviously haven't.
This is the sort of thing that upsets people, if you immigrate to another country it is up to you adapt to they ways and their language, you can't expect the whole country to change its ways to suit you. Yes let them learn the words to this song but in English.
Claire, a woman of your age with a child in primary school, you would think that you would have an open mind and be welcoming of your child learning another language as you know it opens up more oppportunities for them.
Why complain ? we have gave our country away
What is wrong with our children learning a foreign language? It is an international music festival after all. Wasn't Silent Night originally a German hymn?
We were taught a Maury songs at school that was 1976 we loved it and didnt have a clue what it meant still know it now!! Get a grip.
I'm 38. When I was 10, we learnt Silent Night in German and French for the nativity play. I remember thinking it was cool, and I still remember the German lyrics. It's nothing new.
I was taught 'Sur le Pont d'Avignon' and 'Frere Jacques' in primary school many years ago.
Like so many on here I was taught frere Jacques, and songs in welsh though I dont know what language ging gang gooley is from.
It is very much part of the EU agenda to undermine the cultural identities of nation states to make them more easy to control from Brussels. Removal of the borders and free for all immigration within the EU is the result with increasingly dire consequences for communities facing a loss of their traditional identity. We should reject the authority of the EU before it is too late.
I'm sorry, what? These parents are nuts. We sang songs in Maori, Japanese, French and German, and probably more when I was in primary school; and it was fun. I very much doubt kids would be crying over it unless they were crying at their parents reaction to it.
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10------------------------ Oh for God's sake, we learned 'Frere Jacques' (or freh- ra-jah-ka as we though it was) at my Cumbrian primary school thirty years ago -it didn't mean we were being ruled by the French! Stop making everything into such a drama.
This is England, they should be singing songs in English.
I just don't understand what the problem is - I wish my school was more open about learning other languages when I was growing up. Glad only a small number of families are whining though.
Oh what rubbish. It's an International singing festival.. they are not being forced to speak or sing in Lithuanian every day.
What is wrong with that?! When I was in school I was part of the choir and we learnt lots of songs in different languages including putting on a concert singing African songs. Perhaps it should be with our children we teach them about different cultures so we don't have another generation of horrible nasty people who think its cool to be a racist?
Strange that frere jacques has never caused a problem
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
These parents need to calm down and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. This story has blown the situation out of proportion. It is just a music festival they are not making the children learn other languages to speak in permanently. We had to sign a sing in French at school but our parents didn't protest or make a scene. The parents are obviously uneducated and see this is an excuse to have a moan as they have not better to do with their time.
I'm assuming none of these patents were taught 'frere jacque' when they were at school?! My 8 year old son was taught an African song at school & his whole class performed it. He thought it was awesome & was that proud of himself for learning it he sang it to everyone he met for weeks!! Why would these kids be upset over learning different languages?? They're talking nonsense, it's just an excuse for small minded people to kick up a fuss over nothing! Get a life!
Total waste of everyone's time. Teach all the kids a language that will be useful.
I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.- kaz, Bristol, - -think you are already too late. - -this country is finished - deliberately by a certain tiny the traytor bliar
I remember as a very young child at school singing "Sur le Pont d'Avignon" No fuss then !
Are the teachers at this school barking mad? Surely the boot should be on the other foot!
Parents have too much power! That's what narrows education!
What's wrong with an English song festival. Oh yes I just realised, it's got English in it.
I think that's cool! Learning different languages is never a bad thing
This wouldnt happen here in wales, they would all have to learn welsh end of....
I doubt the children were "in tears" that they didn't know the words to a song. Even if the teachers overlooked giving them a sheet with the translation in English so they knew what they were singing you would think if they cared that much at least one would raise their hand to say. International festival, clues in the name folks! Mountain out of blatant molehill.
Since leaving skool with no foreign languages, I've made myself useful in French, German and pidgin-Russian. Several times, these skills have given me the edge over my workmates.
What ever happened to the songs like "I do like to be beside the seasisde" or "hot cross buns" our culture is dying out. I remember doing a nativity play in infant school it was so magical, got to juinior school we had to do Snow white and the seventh dwarfs not to offend other ethnic minorities. But then the name snow white was changed to the princess, the dwarfs were changed to the tiny men, and the names of the dwarfs were changed not to offend anyone. It's all pathetic these days.
Simple take child out of school.
"I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad." - lyn edmunds, ingleside. Couldn't have said it better myself.
England doesn't exist anymore - I'm not sure any political party will help to get our country back - we need to speak up like the French do!
The number of complaints about children singing in foreign languages is sad. The songs the children were taught had been translated in English, so the children would understand what they are singing. The event is an international signing festival hosted by the school. Learning a foreign language is a good thing. The children won't be expected to speak fluently from the songs they have learned. #culturalawareness
People who say we are in England and only our native tongue should be taught need to get a life! Have you no culture!! Don't you want our children to be brought up understanding the world around us!! Oh and as said before you also have short memories. We were all taught frere jacques as school and no one was up in arms about that!!!?
We were taught frere jaques at school and there wasn't any uproar. How about the parents help the kids instead of petitioning against an international music festival?!?
Learning a new language - what's wrong with that we don't have very good language skills as it is so this is a step in the right direction for the next generation
"i'm not being racist, but......" usually means yes, you ARE being racist. would these parents be kicking up such a fuss if the songs were in French I wonder?
If that was my daughter's school, i wouldn't take her!!
all these folks whining about "well we learned frere Jaques it never done us no harm" The scenario today is totally different, & if you had half a brain you would see it. Frere Jacque is a silly French song designed to get kids singing in a round. When you was at school, you werent forced against your parents better judgement to share a class room with 1/3 of the kids being French, & the whole school ethos increasingly turned over to French concerns because those 1/3 of French kids were unwilling or unable to speak English. There wasnt a sudden & massive unregulated influx of French people demanding jobs, housing & health/education services. All this excercise is trying to acheive is the social normalisation of an internationalist agenda, you need look no further than ("We"?) are all very excited to hold this event, which has been made possible by a grant from the Cambridge Culture Project Funding, for which we had managed to secure the funds" I'd bet it is eu funded.....
I think the teachers should stick with "cauliflowers fluffy and cabbages green" type songs
I agree - its OUR country!!!! Learn our language and stop trying to inflict yours on us.
Get over it you narrow minded people. When I was at school 40 + years ago we read a book called Tintin - a French book and we learned a song called "Frère Jacques" - also French. Our parents never complained. The problem nowadays is people will complain just to get themselves into the limelight - it's pathetic !
If it's an international singing festival, surely Lithuania and Poland will be represented by - LITHUANIA and POLAND.
I learned 'Frere Jacques' at play school. Didn't understand it then. Was that 'wrong' too? No. We live in a multicultural society. Learning other cultures doesn't diminish our own, it respects others.
"Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years - boycott channel 4, anyone but andy, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:30"- You must have been asleep in English class. Perhaps you should learn the language before complaining about the issues of English verses international languages.
If we allow this subtle erosion of English and culture we are opening the door even wider...
That woman is 48?! No way!
In England we live the English way of life, we do not introduce another countries way of life into our culture and especially our schools. It is time we got our identity back once and for all. This is England and not anything else.
These parents need to broaden their horizons.
Oh forgot, we are British. We are so superior, that we will refuse any opportunity to learn another language, in case we are contaminated by foreigners and their languages, and God forbid their thought! Are we weak or scared?
'It's happening all the time - at Christmas a nearby infants' school had their nativity play in a foreign language' Unless the nativity was done in Hebrew I think you'll find most nativities are being done in a "foreign" language.
'''They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language....'' - says it all about the quality of parenting...
It was ONE song for heavens sake. They would probably get upset if the kids sang "Frere Jacques". That's a French song by the way for the benefit of the simple minded here today. It has been sung in British schools for almost a century.
In European countries, they learn their own language and english by eight, won't do them any harm will it
- Pandora , Shrewsbury, United Kingdom. No, because by the time something is taught completely in a different language it's too late to do anything about it. If they fight against it now, there's a chance to have it stopped. Yet again, we can thank Tony B
All that's wrong with this country. If the teachers had been any good they would have, with the help of the polish children, translated the songs and done a bit of research first. Nothing annoys me more than parents today. If it were me I'd carefully explain that people are different and different people have different languages, or i'd go on the Internet myself to translate, people have no brains.
This country is ENGLAND. The language spoken here is ENGLISH and the religion is CHRISTIAN. .......... Immigrants to OUR country should be fitting-in with OUR culture - it should NOT be the other way around!! ........
And yet, there are right now thousands of schools around the world in non-english speaking country where children are singing in english and they do not understand the words. I kind of understand the horrified parents, but maybe someone should explain to them and de-dramatize that lithuania (and its language) are part of the European Union and we are all a big family , in a way.
Im not English or British but I do strongly agree with those who wrote that children should first learn English and then if they like to learn other language they choose,they can! But first English and doesn't matter if the majority of the kids are from Lithuania or born to Lithuania 's parents!!!!
I take it the parents would also have a problem with 'frere jacques' too ? You know , being forrin and all ? It's a song . Just a song . So what ? When I was a kid I learnt songs in French , Russian and Hindi . It's not like all the lessons are being taught in Polish is it ?
It's an international music festival - the clue's in the title!!
I learnt French songs at school, & presumably the overseas kids sing the English sings so where's the problem?
That's wisbech primary school for you!
I no the type... Go Spain and complain coz everyone speaks Spanish and everything's in Spanish!!
If the child wants to do it, great. If not, tell the school they will not be taking part.
Remember it's England, or was until Labour ruined it.
Let's get some perspective. The kids are learning a song in another language for an international film festival. It's probably a one off event, or at most a once a year event. Get a grip guys. I even had to learn a French song back in New Zealand - oh dear, how terrible. I wonder, if there wasn't a migrant problem, and the school had a music fair, would this be an issue? Probably not. Nice one parents, great way to teach your kids about how to treat those from different backgrounds. Now, if they were changing the curriculum, and lessons had to be taught in other languages, that would be crazy.
big deal. I remember being taught 'jingle bells' in German.
I know one song in french since my gcse times,- and i have no idea what it means.... why kids today are so lazy??
With 11 official languages in South Africa, we were singing songs in all kinds of languages. I wish I was exposed to more foreign languages when I was at school. It is so interesting. Especially some European languages. Being exposed to languages other than your native tongue, broadens your mind. It is a good learning experience and they should see it as that.
my sister moved to Russia and her daughter is learning songs in russian, spanish, english and next year will study japanese.... whats wrong with that???
You know what you have to do at the next election, people. - Headofthehousehold, Does that mean UKIP will prohibit the teaching of ANY foreign language in schools? What about foreign words -- isn't that going to be a bit difficult? For a start they wont be able to learn many colour names -- mauve, blue, orange, violet etc !!!!
What has show Racism the Red Card got to do with this,if my kids came home trying to sing a lithuanian song they didn't now i would be right up to the school. I recon its part of this european union c**p GOD HELP US ALL
Oh dry ur eyes its good for kids to learn new languages!!
What's wrong with learning a little of another language, its not like they're going to converse in fluent Lithuanian for the rest of their lives.
I think people are missing the point here.Our children should be taught other languages in order for them to be understood when they travel the globe,not in order to converse in their own bloody country.
If they were singing in Lithuanian at the school assembly or in the choir I would completely understand their grievance.. But at an INTERNATIONAL music festival surely singing only English songs would defeat the point...?
I think it's great that the children are being exposed to other languages at this age. The more language sounds a child hears at an early age, the easier it is for that child to learn ANY foreign language later in life. The school is doing these children a favor, and the parents need to understand that. In addition, as someone else stated, it's an international music festival. Lastly, many children learn songs in other languages and have done so for many years. I remember Freres Jacques, when I was four. And, of course, at my school we learned Latin starting from the first grade. That's been helpful through the years (not crucial, but helpful). And yes, I now speak five languages well, and a couple of others ok, but not great. Give your child a boost in this highly competitive world, and encourage him/her to learn another language. It can't hurt!
Sad and narrow minded parents with so little vision. I feel sorry for their kids that instead of embracing new cultures and even new languages, are held back by those that suppose to give a good example!
surely the lithuanians should be learning our songs and mingling with us they want to be part of our society i would not my children learning this when they should be learning how to read and write as this seems what employers are saying they do not have the ability to do properly
Since when was learning one song "taking over the school"? Get a grip. You can't escape multiculturalism and multinationalism in the 21st century.
I can only imagine My 7 year old son would be very proud of himself if he could sing a song in Lithuanian.
I hate this country now, close the border !!
What kind of lesson are these parents teaching their children about accepting others?
Get used to it, soon you'll be in the minority and have to learn other languages just to get by
So Ms (Mrs) Eve isn't heavily into multicultural activities or expanding her childrens knowledge then DM?
These parents do realise that once their kids are in secondary school they will have to learn a second language since it's compulsory. What will they do then
This may not be a popular opinion but wouldn't it actually benefit our children to be bilingual? I know three languages but I'm British. It doesn't change who and what we are.
Im all for giving people a new life but LEARN THE LANGUAGE
I don't remember coming home from school in floods of tears because we were taught to sing Frère Jacques. What a load of tripe.
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........ - James Surrey, Surrey, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 18:07 ---------------------- When in Rome ...... learn how to spell 'these'.
Oh for pity sake these parents need to get over themselves. Try joining in , you may even enjoy it .
When I was in the choir at primary school I had to learn songs in German, not because there were Germans in my school but to learn a new language. I imagine the kids were taught how to pronounce all words so all the had to do was copy the words not 'learn' them (as in the translations). Red arrow as much as you like :)
The top green arrowed comments are so heartening to read for once. Well done everyone.
" This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil."- sas604, jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10----- So I gather that you are one of these ex-pats who is quite happy to live in Spain, but not to learn anything about the Spanish language or culture. Talk about pots and kettles!!!
Clare eve stand your ground and continue fighting this, there is nothing to be ashamed about been British and defending your culture
Oh for heaven's sake! We learned a French carol at junior school way before we did French classes. I loved singing it and can still remember all the words too. There is nothing wrong with learning bits of foreign languages at this age, the brain of an eight year old is like a sponge and they can take far more than modern educational methods can throw at them. Upset my eye! The kids are only reacting to their parents. Show some class and let your kids experience something beyond your narrow horizons.
A slight overreaction by these silly parents. I find it hard to believe that children were in tears over this matter. Learning a bit about other languages and cultures is a good thing, as long as it is in proportion to retaining their English culture and identity.
We did 'africa' as a theme one term, in the 90's, to greet the african head of our 'twinned' school, learnt an african song, didnt have a clue what we were saying, learnt it off by heart, sang it, we didn't cry, it didn't affect out mother tongues, we all had a laugh. Jeeez!!
Maybe people don't want to learn Polish or Lithuainian but would like to learn French and German maybe even Italian or not but instead it should be their choice..They don't need arrogant I'm all right Jacks telling them what they should or shouldn't like or put up with. I am now a minority in my city, I don't really have a problem with individuals, but when certain groups are more vocal and take over local services I do have a complaint then. What seems to have been forgotten is that in the past decade the sheer influx of immigrants from the EU and elsewhere were neither planned nor catered for by our politicians and the local communities were not consulted as to where they would go. Wisbech is a small market town with a large immigrant population foisted on them very recently. To the point it has changed the atmosphere of the community.
How can the people on here compare a French song with a Polish one. The French language is quite useful and the country a nice place to visit. No one talks Polish apart from Poland and next to no one want's to live or visit the place so learning the language is utterly pointless. And if you insist on living in other people's country have the decency and respect to integrate.
when i was at school we were taught frere Jacques. what's the difference?
but it's okay to learn Frere Jacques? For instance. I don't seem the problem to be honest. Learning different languages is fantastic for future opportunities. As long as they don't crush the current language and culture in Britain.
It's an international music festival. it wouldn't be a very good one one if they didn't sing any international songs...
would they have complained if the songs were in french, german or spanish? Me thinks not. By the way, it's not like the school is forcing the kids to learn Polish or Lithuanian all academic year, it's for one event. Get over yourselves.
I support the parents..This is Great Britain, not the United Nations.
At the last count there where 100,000 immigrants in this country who can't speak a word of English, many who have lived here for many years, get them to learn English and leave the kids alone.
What is wrong with learning a little bit of other people's culture? I went to school in the 50's and 60's and we learned songs and poetry in other languages on occasion, it is not like they are being forced to be schooled in a foreign language...it is one song.
If I had children I would be pleased they learn other cultures and languages. Learning about other countries and the world in general broadens their horizons. They will grow up with the Lithuanian children and more and likely become long term friends into the teenage years and they can speak both languages. This mother is silly and very narrow minded and she is influencing her children to be the same.
Would they object it their children were taught a song is french, german or old english? No. I do however agree by the way that they speak I think that they should concentrate first on learning how to speak english correctly before they even attempt another language.
We learned Silent Night in German and no children cried or pretended not to know why we were doing it. I suspect a single tantrumming child is to blame for all this.
Hmmm signed by a grand total of 23 other rather uneducated parents. She looks (And sounds) like a wonderful role model to me.......NOT!
Just withdraw your child from the concert, non-christians have been withdrawing there children from christian services for years.
If it's just a once a year thing, what is the big deal? I think it's a good thing to learn other languages, but I think it should be a language that would be more useful like German, Mandarin, Spanish, etc. Personally, I think children should be taught to speak/read a foreign language early, because being bilingual will be very useful in their future careers--as long as immigrant children are taught to speak and read English. There is a difference between catering to immigrants and benefitting yourself. Catering to immigrants would replace English with a foreign language. Self-edification would be learning another language alongside English.
I think it sounds like a nice idea, will probably help the foreign children settle and mingle with their new English class mates and it's a bit of culture. Which the kids have probably never had.
Could read fluently at 8. If your kids cant its obvious you dont buy books. Ho pe have mastered writin their name. Need that to sign on
the parents have nothing better to do? When i was a child in the 80's my school always did this, we drew lots and that decided what country you were so at the event you dresses in that nations costumes. We learned songs in many different languages we also learned the translation. Doing this in school was some of the best times, help to open my eyes to the wide world around me. To learn about England, China, Africa, India, Mexico, Russia and many many more was just wonderful. its not about immigrants taking over, its about leaning you are not the only culture in the world
Get a grip.The only problem here is that the children didn't receive a translation.Did you never sing Frere Jaques?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation. - Susan, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/07/2013 16:34 Okkkkkay...so it's alright to sing foreign language songs, as long as there are no foreigners present? Yes that makes sense, doesn't it?
Why are you running this story? It just encourages these silly people to complain about things which are in their own head. I learnt French, German and other songs when I was at school what is the problem here? Still they've had their five minutes of fame I suppose and can keep the paper as a souvenir.
The mom's aren't upset because of the songs, they are upset because of the number of immigrants in their community. I sit on the fence with this one.
As well as Frere Jacques, we sang Aluoette and Sur La ponte, D'Avignon. We loved it. Back in the sixties.
I think it's a great idea to have a festival singing songs in different languages. I'm sure they won't have to be word perfect. We once did an around the world theme with my nursery class and we taught the preschoolers some nursery songs from around the world and they loved it! As did the parents.
My child had a disability, was awarded the extra tuition, but didn't actually get it, apart from 1hr a week reading, as children in his class were given the resource as 'they need it more, and James has such support at home'. When he went to high school hisenglish teacher was appalled that the only dyslexic programmes he had done, were ones I had paid privately for, consequently he wasn't behind. Immigrant children should be given the help on the same basis my son was, and get the specialist language tuition in the evenings and weekend, and not free from the state. After all we've hadchinese and greek children doing weekend school for years and some are our highest acheivers. Their parents chose to come here, we didn't force them
What a ridiculous thing to get upset about! Kids need to learn other languages than English!!
Maybe they should concentrate on maths and english which are standards are sadly lacking.....
We used to sing Frere Jacques. No one complained then. Can't see the problem.
The children are being taught tolerance and having eyes opened to other cultures. Maybe the parents should be given lessons as well
Every school teaches about other countries and cultures including songs, art and history, children love learning about the world, that way they won't grow up to be intolerant, hate filled UKIP voters.
23 parents? my word, its hardly a landslide is it.
They are making themselves look really silly, as if the children come home in tears!!
what a nice lady
For god's sake, it's only a song, so what! What a bunch of ignorant, narrow minded people!
Surely the migrant children should be taught english first - what is going to happen next year will be frightening with no border controls. Well if people want change they will have to vote for it. Forget Tory, Labour or limps they are all for more multiculturalism whether the majority of all cultures who are already here want it.
What i wrong with the children learning a new language? I remember learning a French song at school and coming home singing it to my family. My children come home talking in a new language every term, You should be happy that your children get to learn these languages. It gives them a head start in life.
What a disgrace....different cultures and languages is what we need for now and the future! i'm British with Italian parents and when i read these kind of articles i feel ashamed that i am living in such a RACIST country i know many Brits aren't however there are far too many that are....see past the 'Foreign' we're all people!!!!
I remember being taught a beautiful French Christmas carol at around that age, it was an opportunity to learn about other cultures and a different language. I can still remember most of it nearly 30 years later. Total non issue and I never believe anyone who protests so much about not being a racist...
Strange reaction . As kids in the 70's we learnt Frere Jacques and Au Claire de La Lune and Stille Nacht at Christmas. I am the most Eurosceptic person going but learning a song in another language was fun.
Surely the simple answer is just to provide the children with a translation. But why not understanding the words would make the children cry is beyond me - couldn't they just ask their Lithuanian classmates what it meant?
This will be good for the kids. Regardless of the views on the immigrants, the kids will benefit from learning about other languages and will benefit them in the long run, The mothers complaining are probably just bitter.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope , London, 10/7/2013 17:23 Hope, Lithuanians are a Catholic nation. They would sing carols as well. They have a beautiful celebration called Velines on All Souls Day.
in other countries they learn songs in English. in fact they learn English from a young age so why is learning songs from other languages a problem to parents in the UK? personally I loved learning foreign songs in junior school, made me feel very clever!
Would you complain if they taught the children another language? It's called learning about another culture. If you disagree then you should also complain about the watered down version of British History they teach. Can't have people knowing the truth about the evil empire.
Sometimes people are so ignorant.. It´s not about losing your own culture is about learning something about other cultures. And is proven that your children get smarter if they learn foreign languages, brain stimulation is never too much..
UK citizens are becoming second class citizens, this is appalling, the council should need their heads examining, ukip at the next election to stop the rot.
Erm - & this is in England we're talking about?
Try living in Wales. We have two languages here as a given
The sooner we are out of the bl**dy EU the better. Perhaps an overload of emails to the school will get the message across
All so wrong!!!
When I was 6 years old my class learned Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in Japanese from a teacher's assistant from Tokyo. As I got older I learned other songs in choir in German and Spanish. I LOVED knowing that I was singing in a different language and my parents thought it was fantastic, not to mention I STILL know the words at 27! It's never a bad thing to expose children to culture in this way.
English people need to expand their knowledge of other languages, most kids abroad learn multiple languages in their school years (mainly English) yet us Brits become lazy & expect the rest of the world to learn our language so we don't have to bother... I don't see why parents are protesting against their children learning something new & in a fun way!
No no no. We need to stand up to these things now!
we learnt frere jaques and head, shoulders knees and toes in french and I remember performing silent night in german for a carol concert, children are not distraught because they are learning a foreign language - someone has multicultural issues and an overactive imagination me thinks!
My grandson has been taught songs in Chinese no worries it's all useful
Oh grow up - children are much better at learning languages when they're young, and as one reader commented Frere Jacques and Sur Le Pont were commonly sung when we were little, and we loved it. Teaching your child to be insular and shallow isn't going to help them one little bit.
And this is different to teaching millions of English children "Frere Jacques" with no discernible ill effects for at least the last 100 years how, exactly?
Learn something new for once!
These parents are quite dim but take a step back and look at the wider issue. There are no doubts lots of migrants in their area and they probably don't mix with each other and they are fearful - I would have thought learning about others would be a good way to get to know them. People are all much the same world over.
Come and live here and then you can comment
Why not
Children in tears? Bit over dramatic.
This is so ridiculous. When I was in primary school and Desmond Tutu came to visit they taught us the South African anthem to sing for him and also taught us another South African song, no parents complained then.
What rubbish! We did a project when I was in school 20 years ago on amazon tribes and learnt an Amazonian song for the end of year show.
Few things...if your 8 year old is 'struggling to learn their own language', you're doing something wrong. If your 8 year old genuinely cried because they didn't understand words to a song, you're doing something wrong.
If your 8 year old cant speak their own language by now theres something seriously wrong. So long as there are parents like this perpetuating the cycle of hatred and intolerance our people will be racist and bigoted for generations to come. Its an INTERNATIONAL singing festival. The clue is in the name. wise up people
These parents need to take a long look at themselves! Surely they want their children to be diverse thinkers and not judge other people according to their cultural background?!
I dont see what is wrong with this. Its good to know about other cultures and languages. They should be more concerned about the lack of Christian teachings- as after all England is a christian country and there seems to be little of that nowadays.
I think the fact that it is an inclusion festival shows that it's about including all the children! no harm done learning about other cultures an I'm sure the polish kids will feel proud to sing something they know as they have to sing English Hymns everyday. I agree with keeping our schools speaking mostly English and keep out heritage alive but this seems alot of fuss over nothing
I find it odd that "children were in tears" because they did not understand the song. I am sure the teacher explained it. I have never seen a child in tears over Frere Jacques"!! Of course they would learn some foreign songs for an international festival! Some ignorant parents there, just looking for an excuse to complain.
I think those parents ought to be more aware of what exactly they are teaching their children with this! It was for an international singing festival!! And even if not, so what! Hardly like they are having all lessons taught in a different language is it! These are the type of ppl that go on holiday to Spain and then complain about the Spanish speaking Spanish!
I remember having to learn and sing songs and rhymes in Russian. If anything, it was fun, I still remember some of them to this day. And I still speak my native language, didn't do me any harm. Polish and other children in English schools quickly become fully bilingual, with accents indistinguishable from those of natives.
This is not really about children having to learn a song in Polish or Latvian. This is about families that have been affected by huge increases in migration in recent years. They feel alienated in their own community and i know how they feel as it has happened in my own town, very rare i hear an English speaking voice in my town centre these days.
How will these so-called parents cope in a real emergency?
Bit ott crying because they didnt understand
oh please parents get a grip. Bet you all mumble through the verses of gangnam style and don't object to your kids singing it either
And the children of the Eves and Meldrums of Little England will stay as ignorant as their parents. Well, someone has to collect unemployability benefits.
Well done Peckover School. I feel sorry for the children who are being brought up in such narrow minded environments.
So what? When I was a lad, one time we learned a Japanese poem in honour of a visiting Japanese dignitary. I'm sure everyone has learned to recite SOMETHING in a foreign tongue at school.
Lol! My 6 year-old daughter has french lessons at her primary school and it's almost every day that she comes home singing a new french song and even prefers to count in french. But let me tell you something, not once has she been reduced to tears because she doesn't understand french! She's always happy and always very excited about being able to say new words in another language! And trust me, kids do not have difficulty understanding their native language. They might have difficulty understanding profanities that their parents use but definitely not the correct use of speech! There's a difference!
It was just a song, my daughter has spent all week singing a Spanish song she was taught my some Spanish children during a web talk with children from Spain. She doesn't know the meaning of the words but she is hardly traumatised. The issue here is the parents not the children, children are tolerant and excited by learning new things unless adults give them reason to believe there is something wrong.
im sorry but if my children...i have 2..... get the opportunity lo learn new languages, cultures as part of their education then i think its BRILLIANT. i understand that if you go to live in another country one should leanr tge language or go to an international school but depriving your children of learning about those tuings...please.....should they not learn modern foreign languages now i mean...they are in another language
A classic example of why we seem to lag behind so many other countries in speaking other languages
I can see why the school felt it needed to have an international festival with parents like this. And by the way ladies, you are being pathetic.
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FUSS..... WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR CHILDREN BEING EDUCATED ABOUT OTHER CULTURES? IM SURE THE TEACHER USED THE SITUATION THEY ARE IN AS A OPPORTUITY.
Too right!! In English we speak English.
I'd be extremely impressed if my son could sing in Lithuanian. I used to teach Montessori school children and our Montessori was extremely mixed and we used to have 'Culture Weeks' where we'd learn Polish, Indian, Chinese etc rhymes, songs, stories - the children loved and and they learnt about different cultures. I fail to see the problem here.
being in a school choir for 5 years.we would sing songs in french,german,etc.we should be learning languages. what if when they grow up perhaps these children might want to work in other countries.a young woman i worked with was born here,but she was first generation italian.she took qualifications in the subject,and eneded up an interpreter.
Very prejudiced and narrow-minded mindset of the parents, my goodness! When I was in school in Northern England we learned classic GERMAN folksongs in our music lessons and it certainly never harmed any of us, in fact I remember all the words today and was often asked to sing it for my aunts and uncles on special occasions! It is a lovely song! Learning songs in other languages adds to culture and diversity and should be encouraged in all schools! The German kids here learn english folksongs too and they enjoy it. Certainly nobody here complains as the Germans are far more tolerant than most Brits. These complaining parents need to wake up to 2013 and get a grip!
So wrong and the answer so simple , the children from there sing the song . Then it is sung in English .
English songs only in schools please! Learn our language if you want to live here.
In Broxburn in Scotland there was a large influx of polish families to the community and something similar happened. They made the children learn songs in Polish and the mass at the local church was made polish so they made the Scottish children learn Polish. Shouldn't it be the other way around!
My daughter has a Chinese girl in her class and they all learned how to sing Happy Birthday in Chinese. I wouldn't even think of complaining about this - I think it's great that my daughter had an opportunity to learn that there are different languages and cultures in the world!
Time to learn world languages
The song should at least be explained so the children know what they are singing about. I can imagine how overwhelmed these kids were though. They sound out of their depth. This was handled all wrong in my opinion. By all means have songs from other countries..be good if hey are explained.. But all this should not be to the cost of our own culture. There has to be a balance not a take over bid.
How DARE the school indoctrinate kids like this? UKIP all the way!
Dear skool, I do not want little Jonny to learn a foreign language or be exposed to other cultures other than a bit of Spanish to order beer for his granddad in Spain. It is a song for children, it teaches them about other languages so when they get older they can think outside the box, this why the UK lags behind in languages, the rest of the wold does not speak only English, it is a myth.
im lithuanian and im saying that this is stupidity and i support clare and other parents. british kids may learn (only if they want to) but they dont have to for sure. no one can force them in any way to do so.
British way of life will have vanished in 50 years
So what? International culture is on my child's syllabus. Last year I sent my daughter into school dressed in a kimono because each child was tasked with wearing a costume to represent an allocated country... They even sampled cuisine from a selection of those nations and learned cultural songs (God forbid in foreign languages!) She talked enthusiastically about international facts for weeks... Grow up silly parents and broaden your horizons!
It seems English is the second language in this case...
These two boys came home in "floods of tears" because of a song.... right!!! Somehow I find that very hard to believe. Learning songs in different languages is educational and good fun, I cant help thinking if the song was in Swedish or French, the mothers wouldn't have kicked up such an unnecessary fuss....
I frequently travel to Morocco and it is frankly embarrassing how most of the Brits don't bother to say "please" or "thankyou" in either French or Arabic when they go on holiday there. Contrast that to the locals who learn two languages at school (classical Arabic and French), speak Berber and Darija at home and then teach themselves English, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch etc so that they can work in tourism. They then might be lucky enough to earn £10 a day. I am ashamed to be British when I read stories like this.
I think we are now as insular as we were centuries ago. Despite modern communications many folk, especially those old enough to know, are clueless about the Baltic States. What contributions they have made to mankind but few could locate Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania if given a map. So sad.
The parents must really hate the Eurovision Song Contest.
Talk about PC gone mad. They're living in England , they should be taught English. What an absolute shambles. I'm so glad my children have finished their education, but I fear for my grandchildren. Something's got to give , it can't go on the way it is. Trouble is bubbling on the surface , but the imbeciles running the country just won't see it.
Disgusting
Have these parents, (and only 23 of them, bless!), really got nothing better to complain about? How bigoted must you be to object to your child learning a song in a foreign language? I wouldn't actually want to send my child to a school that didn't teach this!
What a silly thing to be upset about! In year one I leaned about Chinese New Year and my class put on a play and sang in The song "Jesus loves me yes I know" in Chinese no one was traumatised we were proud to have learned something new and my parents were impressed and came to watch out class perform, no one suffered and I am not expected to speak fluent Chinese its supposed to be a fun approach to learning!
What a wonderful way to learn a language and to widen your horizons. I seem to remember that Lithuanian is quite a special language. I must look it up. What lucky English children, lovely Lithuanian children, and short-sighted, dim-witted mothers!!
personally I wouldn't be bothered, British people need to learn other languages rather than depending on people abroad speaking English! as long as the children understand the song the teacher should translate the song into English for them to so they're learning a new language! speaking more than one language is a gift! why deprive your children from it? it could help them later on in life! I could speak another language! while the children are young and can pick things up easily why not!
Are you kidding me? At school I was taught frere jaques, sur le pont d'avinon and silent night in german. Its not as if they are teaching lessons in a different language. Its kind of ironic that its called inclusion concert maybe the parents should go back to school and learn what inclusion means.
I can tell you that better lithuanian then polish is much harder to learn, ah this culture of complaining all the time she doesn't look like full time working mum .
In some schools learning a modern foreign language is compulsory, what would these parents do if their children had to learn French, German, Spanish or Italian? Is it because they're not Eastern European?
"Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561, STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:25" Yes, of course they do! People learn English all over the world by learning songs in English, music is a great learning tool. (Or maybe you were being sarcastic, not sure...)
UKIP all the bloody way! This country is a soft touch joke!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
Your comments:what's wrong with kids learning another language?
That purple hair dye is lovely isn't where did you get that from. Learning a foreign language is good for your mental development.
The 23 parents opposing this should shake their heads in shame at their small mindedness
What a disgrace those parents are! A child may find it difficult to learn - think what their peers have to go through on a daily basis! As it is for a singing festival the parents should be encouraging their children to have fun and join in. Shocked at what some people are like!
Grow up! Out numbered...do you actually hear the way you people come across! There is nothing wrong with this at all. If you do then you have issues with people from other countries. A song does not imply they are being taught how to speak the language. Maybe people should look at their own apparently English language. Can not understand a word of what these people say and I am English!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
ENGLISH is the language of the UK last time I looked!
My children are native English speakers and they love learning bits of other languages.If it's only the odd Lithuanian song here and there, mixed in with some Frere Jacques and a bit of Nessun Dorma, it can only be enriching. What is this story really about?
I highly doubt the children came home in "floods of tears" because they couldn't understand the words to a song. That sounds like the parents' version. Living in Canada we're used to dealing with more than one language - in fact we send our kids to "immersion" schools where they are taught all their classes in a language different from Englisih. There are French, German, Filipino, Cree - you name, we have it. Being able to speak more than one language is a gift.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
What a wonderful way to expand a young mind. They will now realise that there are many languages in Europe. It is well known that improved language abilities aid learning. I know several young people who can speak fluent English who are Polish, French and Spanish. British people now have the opportunity to learn another language and this will help them think "outside the box." Music is a language, so is mathematics and most of the school curriculum. Lucky kids. We never had the chances they are getting. We were proud English and people must speak our language.
I am a patriot. I did my time for queen and country and I miss England. BUT my kids are speaking 3 languages fluently and learning a 4th at school and I know that this is better for them in the long run. By the time my kids are working age the need for more than one language will be the default. Those who baulk at their children learning another language are clearly too dumb to realise their response to this engenders the same reluctance to learn a second language in their children and will impede their children's opportunities later in life.
Britain is full of kids whose parents are Irish, some would be native Irish speakers. I've never heard of them learning a song in Irish........... has anyone?
We learned a song in Swahili at my Hampshire Primary school in 1967 - so why is everyone so surprised in 2013? These parents need to remember that the younger their children are exposed to different languages, the easier they will find them to learn.
How about them learning English its a useless language any way out side of its own country.......unbelievable
So when I taught my class of 5 year olds a song in French and we coloured in the flag I was forcing something frightening on them in this womans eyes I assume? They absolutely beamed when they realised how clever they were. Children are knowledge sponges and they love to show off new skills such as these. A child is only going to get upset when doing something like this if the parent leads them to feel it is somehow wrong.
Do they object to Frere Jacques. Not me, I learnt it in junior school in 1979 in Burton upon Trent which was hardly a hot bed of immigration back then. Let them enjoy learning a Lithuanian song. Well done.
Blame Tony Blair & his government .They started the ball roling.
Only idiots would deny their kids the chance at learning linguistic skills that will come in very handy in latter life, little johnny may have an aptitude for language. I'm bilingual, my child speaks Welsh and is learning Mandarin, learning languages at a young age is much easier that latter on.
I'm in shock at this protest, surely this is all about learning more about other cultures. My oldest son starts school in September & I would be thrilled if he had an opportunity like this. The school are clearly trying to expand the children's horizons further & should be applauded for this, not face seemingly pointless protests.
i was taught french songs in primary school nobody complained
'' It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' My 3 1/2 year old speaks Turkish, understands and speaks some Arabic and English - and an 8 year old is struggling to learn a song in a foreign language - strikes me as ignorance and laziness from some of the parents and their children !
Goodness. I was taught Latin, French, German and Spanish at school. Where is the difference in being taught another European language? For crying out loud woman, what's wrong with you?
When I went to school in Switzerland we learnt songs and a lot more, in French, Spanish, Italian, English etc. It's called Culture, folks.
Absolutely nothing wrong here, we learnt French, Swedish and German folk songs-and some American ones in Fleet School 60 years ago
God forbid children get a cultural education! I had to go to a ceremony dressed as a Japanese girl guide back in the 80's and read a poem in Japanese to celebrate different cultures. Did I cry? No. Did my mother rally a ridiculous protest? No. Ridiculous.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song the school didn't convert the kids to another religion, get a grip.
I ´don´t understand what the fuss is about. Learning to appreciate other cultures is surely a good thing, and while no one is denying that English should be the language taught in schools, I see nothing wrong with teaching the kids a song in another language for an international theme. It´s also good for the Eastern European children to be made to feel welcome and be proud of their culture. There´s too much bigoty in the world today. A little peace and understanding is all we need
When I was at school in the 1960s I was taught Alloutte, Oh Tannenbaum and Frere Jaques, this had no negative impact upon me or any of my peers, we all survived, no one died, get a life !
So what? I had to learn songs in other languages at primary school. It was fun. Freres Jaques for example. Get a grip.
' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language'. I am genuinely curious: do eight yrs old really struggle with learning their own language? Unless there are some other issues involved?
Han on, I'm being horrible but is the one with the red hair really 48?
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561 , STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:2 Are you joking? Most other countries start teaching english from the age of as young as 4 (for example Denmark). I had to learn French songs which even now I don't know the translation. If my child came home crying over something so pathetic I would not be impressed. In fact I might book a trip to visit Auschwitz or perhaps a day learning about what children in Sierra Leone went through so the sheltered little children can learn some perspective (and perhaps the adults could do with a trip also!)
I was taught a few French, SEVERAL English, a Spanish song and even a MAORI song when I was in school in Qatar, all of which were foreign languages to me and my classmates. It's not that big of a deal. If anything it made us more cultured and expanded our vocabularies! Now I have a talking point when I meet someone from New Zealand. All schools do this!
What bigotted parents! I'm nearly 60 and no parents complained when we learned Frere Jacques (French song) at Primary school. We didn't have French lessons. We simply learned that song. The school is having an International festival. Are they only supposed to feature British culture in the festival ... making it a British festival?
I think it's a fab idea. my 3 year old is learnibg japanese and spanish at home and I can only see the benefits if it
When I was in primary school I remember learning the French song "Frère Jacques" and can still sing in in French and English now. Also, as a school child in Scotland, we always learnt Scottish songs and poems for Robert Burns day. And theres lots of old Scots I never understood, but I survived. I cannot understand what the problem is, I'm sure I would have really enjoyed this event if it had happened at my school.
'It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' OMG don't make me laugh, she is such an idiot! why on earth did her children start school in the first place?!
My country is plagued by ignorant parents like these. Even in 1954 I was being taught French songs; and we loved it because it was such a change from dull, turgid English folk songs.
I remember having to sing French songs and a Welsh song in primary school and shock horror nobody complained! British children need to get ahead with languages! And its an international festival, what do they want them to sing? English songs? We had international days when I was in primary and we would learn to say hello in different languages such as Chinese, German etc and eat different foods, nothing wrong with learning about different cultures My sister went to Belgium for her placement year for primary teaching and children there were already speaking Dutch, French and English fluently because its encouraged and here parents want to complain because their children got to learn another language?!? The UK is so behind on teaching children other languages and unless you go private school/parents educate you on one/you take the time out to learn one yourself we don't even learn. Languages are important especially in the cooperate world, stop complaining and welcome it.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song, get a grip.
Wow, children learning a foreign language and something about other countries. What in the world are these people complaining about? They should be pleased.
They're not racist, agreed, but they are more than slightly xenophobic. I learned a French song at the age of 5. Many years later I speak 3 languages apart from my own, not including Latin and Ancient Egyptian! I can't help but suspect that the kids have only made a fuss (if they really have) to mirror their parents' obvious xenophobic leanings.
I taught my class 'happy and you know it' in Italian as part of our topic and they loved it (they are 6-7). Also, it is well known that children pick up new languages with ease. I'm amazed these parents are so insular, London schools are far more accepting.
Poor, traumatised little darlings... Having to learn a song in a different language? And this is newsworthy why?
I suppose you would call this integration , only in the UK ,its nationals are asked to integrate with the immigrants around them or leave the country. Isn't it just as well we are so tolerant , if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country. Still ,long may it continue , in fifty years time there will be no trace of englishness left as all our children will be speaking many different languages sing many different songs and attending very different schools.
Why doesn't Michael Gove step in and stop this.
the children cant be that bright, i have taught 3 year olds to sing in german, dutch and french
My father came from Lithuania in 1916 as a war and religious refugee. I was born in 1947 with a Welsh mother and went to Hinchley Wood Primary in Surrey. There were many children like me who had eastern European parents, and we learned a variety of ethnic songs and dances, including Welsh, Scottish and Irish. It has certainly enhanced my life, and I remember it with great fondness.
Says it all when some parents have said "they're 8 years old and struggle to learn their own language"
It's an INTERNATIONAL song festival! For goodness sake! They aren't talking about changing the regular assembly songs (do schools still do that?) are they? The fact that they have ONLY 23 parents that have signed that petition so far shows how daft that small minority are. Unfortunately now the children are going to copy their parents crummy attitudes to other cultures. I do feel for the communities whose facilities are being stretched to the limit by immigrants, but it's stricter immigration controls that should be being petitioned for, not bans on children's songs!
THIS STINKING COUNTRY IS FINISHED!!
'My little girl goes to German club,' she said. I just hope she won't be taught to sing " deutschland über alles " my Grandad fought that mob during WW2 & whilst he was still alive never bought anything made in Germany
This is a ridiculous article, when I was at primary school we had a French boy in our class and we all learnt a song I'm French did we cry. No. We're our parents angry? No. We're we scared for life? No. Get a grip DM
How the hell are foreign children going to learn to speak in a way that is acceptable to employers in this country - assuming the parents intend to stay long enough. Multiculturalism does not work.It alienates many of the host country and does not encourage mixing of people.They are not forced or even encouraged to speak the language of the country they are living in.. That way breeds ghettos.
When is this country going to take a stand and say no more?! You come to our country and you should abide by our rules and cultures. You want your own cultures then stay in your own bloody country!!
When in rome, do as the romans do
Oh this reminds me of the day I took my son to toddler group and a Chinese lady enthusiastically jumped up infront of me and said " Hello It's international day! Where are you from?" " ummm... Guildford. " lol. I felt a bit left out, like I should have come from somewhere.
Im annoyed slightly when I hear foreign parents living in the UK..are talking to their children in their parents native tongue. If the children are being bought up to live in this country their 1st language should be English and taught to them by their parents...surely that only fair on the children......unless of course they are learning both.???
Sorry this is wrong. I'm Portuguese and have lived in the UK 23 years, my children are British and although bilingual they do not speak Portuguese here or English in Portugal. I've always worked, pay my taxes, never on benefits and love and this country as my own. When in Rome be a Roman, the language is English learn it, adapt to the way if life, don't like it go back to your country. I'm all for kids learning other languages as education but it's a choice and should not be imposed on people.
ive worked in a school where there are 5 white children in the whole school!
In tears because they didn't understand? I'm sorry but that really is pathetic. I take it these are those same annoying parents who go straight to te head teacher over the tiniest argument?
When I was a teacher I used to run children's choirs, and we regularly used songs in German, French, Italian, Spanish, Bulgarian and Japanese - and those are just the ones I remember. We did it because they were good songs, and sounded better in their original language than they would if translated. English folk music is not, sadly, such a rich seam. I sympathise with the teachers in this school, having to work in the face of such ignorant chauvinism. Let's hope the kids will be a bit more tolerant when they're grown up.
In today's competitive world the more skills and knowledge you have the better it will be for you. Please teach my kid Chinese, polish , Latvian anything! the more she knows the better it will be for her. If these backward parents had any sense they would understand that they hold their kids back at their peril
don't the problem, we should encourage more multiculturalism
Ridiculous all those people that think white British are becoming a minority. White British people still make up around 82% of the British population. Of course the concentration of 'foreigners' are higher in some places but that is life! Go to the Costa del Sol in Spain and see how many British people are there! It is an 'international' festival so why not sing songs from other countries. Pfft 'floods of tears'.. please. I think its nice that their being exposed to other cultures and being taught tolerance, shame their parents weren't!
Bet you still let them listen to Rhianna though right? Hypocrits.
Last Christmas the two& a half year olds in the nursery school where I work sang and danced to songs in 13 different languages. The same number as the nationalities of the children in the class. They loved every minute of it! It's called internationalism and encourages the children to grow into citizens of the world. Some people really need to open their minds!!!
Well, it doesn't say a lot for Wisbech in Cambridgeshire does it? Now I can understand people perhaps getting a little agitated if the lessons were delivered in a language spoken perhaps by a non-British school population as surely English would be the first language. But, a song, we all sang quite a few French or Latin ditties at one time or another so nothing wrong with a little bit of Eastern Europe will do no harm.
Good bye England!
Given the quality of the teachers in this country the whole thing will probably be a failure, our schools have great difficulty teaching children English let alone Polish! The loony left tendency in the teaching profession have massively damaged the educational standards over the last 60 years. As a country we now languish in about 27th place for the teaching of our native language, if they are now going to teach Polish that is likely to be even more inadequate.
Its for an INTERNATIONAL singing festival for goodness sakes!! what are you all so afraid of! they are not being taught maths in Lithuanian are they? Get a grip peoples! I remember when i was at school in the choir, we were taught songs in French, Latin, German and even an African song! There is nothing wrong with a little bit of extra knowledge ... expand your horizons.... It actually made learning languages later on so much easier. Instead of spending time petitioning, why don't the parents make an effort to find out the translations or better yet, write to the school & request them?? You are not helping your children you are harming them by keeping them ignorant !
They're only eight years old they struggle with their own language? I'm sorry children learn a damn sight quicker I think this is a case of yet again parents thinking they run the schools when in fact half of kids now a days can't read, write their own name or use the bathroom! Any excuse not to sit down with a child and assist with education at home! I could speak basic french when I was eight why can't your children learn a different language! Wisbech isn't that draconian educate your kids and help them understand there is more out there than a run down seaside resort of yesteryear!
Did the Lithuanian and Polish children sing anything in English? No because I guess English does not pass as 'culture' these days. Yes, when I was taught piano I had to respond to Italian commands, and if I had taken ballet I would have had to respond to French. But piano and ballet lessons are voluntary. We were eventually taught French and German after year 6. However, any French or German children at our school had to learn English or they could not stay. And if I had gone to school in France or Germany, I would have had to speak their language. This is all being handled very badly, and is doing nothing for community cohesion. It is all about being easier to bully English children into accepting Lithuanian and Polish culture than it is to argue against the flood of immigrants from that part of the world.
As we have a reputation for being too lazy to learn another language...just speeeeeaaaaaaakkkkk. Ssloooooowwlly or shout, Johnny foreigner will get the message....this does not surprise me one wee bit...
Welcome to multicultural Britain.
What hope can we have for our children when as parents we are so small-minded?
Might it not be useful - or at least interesting - for these British children to have a smattering of linguistic knowledge about their new school companions? Because like it or not, these British parents must accept that eastern european children will be mixing with their own offspring for the unforeseeable future - and surely it is better to 'pave the way' now, rather than have to 'build bridges' later on? I lived in foreign countries as an RAF child and learned songs in German, Norwegian and French. Don't think it did me any harm and it was interesting and challenging, in a pleasant way.
No different to what songs are sung in asian areas and what language is spoken daily. Lets face it, English people are being slowly replaced and there is nothing or nobody that can stop it now. White folk will be a minority within 10 years, English within 5 years. Can only blame yourselves for letting this happen and being PC. Get used to it.
I'm amazed these people haven't complained about Dora the explorer being Spanish either.......or maybe, they have????
None of us would mind this if our children were being taught to read, write and count along side these other activities but the sad fact is that too many of OUR children are leaving school without the basic skills needed to survive in the adult world. There are too many of these extra curricular activites taking place and not enough normal teaching and not enough PE. How many children swim every week at primary school anymore, I did but my own children did not, therefore we had to pay for lessons ourselves privately. Will we have to pay for others lessons too now?
It's not as if this is language that will be of any use to the average English speaking child, the onus should be on the incomers to be learning our language. How come teachers can make time in the curriculum for for nonsense like this when more times needs to be spent on literacy and numeracy. If there is time to learn a foreign language, albeit in a limited way, for heaven's sake make it one that will be some use say French or Spanish.
I taught my year 5 class a French song this week which included the line 'shake your bottom'. No complaints so far...
What's the problem? Kids pick up languages very quickly and a kid taught to speak Polish as well as English, could be a bonus in adult life, especially if you go into the building trade. At school we sang "Forrero jacka" (forgive me, my French is not that good) and it did us no harm. Down here, schools are teaching Kernoweck which, is very good because of our Cornish identity but I dare say that Mandarin or French would probably be more productive and a damn sight easier to learn.
A couple of years ago the children at my daughter's school learned a song in Hawaiian for their Christmas play. Not really a problem.
I agree with a lot of what people have said here, growing up, in school I had to sing songs in different languages. It's not a big deal, I had to sing songs in African, Hebrew, French etc. It's something different, I don't know why these parents are making mountains out of mole hills, it's an international festival and it exposes children to different cultures and makes them more tolerant.
What A SHOCKER!! English children learn foreign language in school!! Whatever next? School trip to France cancelled as locals don't speak English?? The problem is, they do speak English because they chose to learn it in schools!! ... get over yourselves!!!
The majority of the world can speak English because from a young age they are 'forced' to learn it. Now she needs to stop being so forcefully ignorant.
What part of 'international singing festival' do these people not understand??? *hangs head in shame that I went to school in this town*
It's not as if this school is going to start teaching lessons in Lithuanian. Nor are all songs sung in assemblies going to be in a foreign language. It's an INTERNATIONAL celebration. For an HOUR! I'm sure the parents' opinions would be very different if it was a French or German song. Interesting that the lady interviewed is happy for her child to go to a club to learn German but she takes exception to Eastern European languages... Hypocrite.
Why on Earth would anyone object to their child learning a song in a different language? My daughter has a friend in school who is from Latvia (who speaks English, as do her parents) and thinks its great fun to be able to say a few words in her language, same when we go on holiday. Sad that a couple of people with very strange views feel they have to deprive their children of having fun with the rest of their classmates simply to make a rather sad quasi-political point.
You come to out country you should speak our language. This country is a joke. UKIP will get my vote
Lol.... Priceless. The outrage bus is in full throttle. I was taught to sing Frere Jacques at school...... How is this any different?
the school children must be getting top marks in english and maths to waste time on this PC drivel. when in Rome etc
Brits you need to get over yourself already! It's only a song, we should welcome multiculturalism! I'm half British half Dutch, but my British side of the family all originally came from Eastern European countries at the end of the last century and I'm marrying a Polish man next year! When I have kids they will be taught about all different cultures, just as I was in primary school. When I was at primary school we learnt about every culture that our class consisted of so that we learnt that they all had something special and I would love for my kids to be taught the same!
Some don't seem to understand the context: the kids learned foreign songs for an INTERNATIONAL song festival! Being trilingual myself (German, Polish, English) I can assure all the doubters, learning a foreign song does not harm the British children at all, rather the opposite - it may actually encourage them to broaden their horizon; culturally, personally AND intellectually. Moreover, those kids with a foreign background usually feel encouraged to ALSO learn the language they are living in, as their culture is not seen as a threat but is actually appreciated.
Load of rubbish, when I was at school we were taught the Welsh national anthem by a Welsh teacher and it made no difference to us, it was just a song
Ignorant parents. I learned Frere Jacques at school. Don't remember my parents starting a petition about it. Whatever happened to embracing differences and learning about other cultures i.e educating children?
I'm all for learning different languages, but I do hope they are including Welsh in this festival if they are including Lithuanian and Polish. After all, Welsh is a UK language spoken by loads of citizens but unfortunately is dying out.
The whole school is hardly being "taken over" just because your kids had to learn TWO songs! Kids love learning stuff in other languages. If your kids find it so traumatic then maybe a little brain exercise will do them good.
It is not an 'international festival' They are just calling it that so they can foist rubbish on people and get other people to come down on them when they complain. People are not coming from round the world specifically for this, this is not held round the world either ... it would be jsut an event in the school, except "Show Racism the Red Card" has got involved making this a fiasco for supranationalism.
Well of course, if we ever stand up for anything British in this country we are called racist, or it's not PC. People are unhappy with the influx of people from Eastern Europe in this country. But, you mustn't say so otherwise you'll get shouted down by tree huggers. I'm not sorry - I think this marks the slippery slope, which we are already half way down! Frere jacques is one thing, but I just don't agree that this is the same thing. However, I do feel sorry for the schools, as they have to cater for all needs and be all things to all people these days.
If the school concentrated on teaching the children to write and speak English correctly first, it would be a step in the right direction. Ask any employer about the standard of English grammar on job applications. Why waste time teaching Lithuavian after we get out the EU the number of foreigners will rapidly decline.
What??!!!
Well we are the minority these days
The difference with 'frere Jacques' is that it is a French song, and French happens to be in the curriculum, whereas Polish and Lithuanian are not. Not yet anyway. A better solution would be to learn the immigrant children songs in English, if im allowed to suggest it.
Living in the UAE I am so glad my kids get to be open minded and learn many languages including help from foreign friends who will be welcome in my home,and to learn about different cultures and religions. It will make them a better person for it.
You would think a woman with purple hair would be a little more understanding and open-minded.... Learning a secondary language improves your understanding and use of your primary language. Not to mention makes you more competitive in the job market.
Probably more useful than the rest of the rot that kids are taught these days.
'We have made alternative arrangements for pupils of parents not wishing their child to take part in the concert to remain at Peckover Primary school, for the hour during which the concert takes place.' So its either do it the school way and take part in the concert in TOTAL or the kids get to stay in school for the period; WOW isnt that peachy? This is WRONG on so many levels, if foreigners want to come to OUR Country they learn OUR language; NOT the other way around! Has no one else seen how wrong this is or are there so many out there burying their heads in the sand while spouting rubbish about that great failure INTEGRATION! And before the sniping starts, I am gainfully employed running my own company, educated to degree level, have never been to Benidorm or anywhere like it and speak English, French, German and a little Arabic!
What a bunch of narrow-minded parents giving Cambridge a bad name. It's an International Music Festival, and they're having songs and music from lots of different countries and cultures. The parents must be terrified the minds of their children will actually expand beyond their own!
so so wrong and so very very sad. adapt to English culture, learn the language or go. it's not a difficult or unreasonable expectation.
There is no freedom of speech in this country anymore. Unless you toe the PC line you are branded racist. Different views and opinions are not tolerated by the bully boys who are intent on dictating to us what we must think and say. Try living in Aylesbury - schools where up to 22 different languages are spoken. Our country is lost to us.
"Children in tears because they did not understand the lyrics"... talk about making things up! There's nothing wrong with learning another language, even if it's just a few words!
The time to complain is when the whole curriculum is taught in Lithuanian...otherwise just enjoy the festival methinks...
For heavens sake what is wrong with these ignorant paents, its an International singing festival, this attitude to me always explains why these kind of so called " adults will happily take their holiday n Spain for the sun and then complain and whinge that not everyone speaks English. Yourchildren are going to meet people of all nationalities their entire lives. Get used to it.
just absolutely shocking. where are we going, soon it will be all immigrant councillors and making decisions for the countries languages
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil.
It's not about the singing in a different language, it's about the large number of foreign kids in the school and the fear of being in the minority and so losing the British identity, this is just a way of protesting at the situation. My kids learned Hindu songs in London primaries back in the early 90's and it was the same then. We didn't complain about 'frere jaques' because most of the class was not French, they were still in France.
I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad.
No wonder Brits are the nation who do not know any foreign languages and mostly are not able to learn one. As to the little Lithuanian kids, they will be at least bilingual. And it will be easier for them to learn further languages should they feel like doing it.
How utterly pathetic that parents would complain about their children learning a couple of international songs for an international festival. While I was at university the choir I was in learned songs in English, Welsh, Italian, Swedish, German, French, Dutch and Yoruba. No, we didn't understand all the words we were singing, but yes, it was fun, it was interesting and it broadened the mind. As a previous commenter has said, one suspects that the outrage has more to do with the parents' views on Poles and Lithuanians than it does with the songs.
My kids learned "Alouette, gentille alouette" and "Frere Jaques" as tiny kids. Somehow, it managed not to scar them for life. These parents are being ridiculous; it's a song in another language! So what? Are they unaware that there's a great big world out there where people *gasp* speak other languages? My local state infants offers French lessons to all the kids - would that also be seen as the collapse of civilisation as we know it?
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........
I would be upset if my kids school didn't teach about different cultures. Would they be upset if it was French? Get a grip!
'Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop! - Corpse Slayer , Little Poland, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:07>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you've seen job advertised for 'Polish Speakers Only' then I can assure you that they're illegal, and you would be fully entitled to report such people to the authorities.
Just think how lucky you are love that you don't live in Blackburn.
To all comments that say that the: 'immigrant children should be learning English!' Whatever makes you think that they are not?
Learning a song in a different language is fine but for all other lessons the only language used should be English.
When I was in school I learned a french song about a bloody pizza and nobody cared, why now? Learning foreign language should be encouraged as much as possible.
It's a song? ....
Wait what? We learned songs in many languages at both my primary and high school and most students and their parents loved it because of the multiculturalism. I remember learning and performing songs in French and Swahili in primary school and when I was in chorus in high school we learned songs in French, Liturgical Latin, Italian and Russian (not to mention learning songs in French and Spanish for our International Week). What happened to celebrating different languages and cultures?
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
I think comparing frere jaques sang in a school with no French pupils is not quite the same as singing in polish and Latvian when these children make up a third of the numbers, what's next polish language lessons instead of French or German?? I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
Trying to improve my language skills for work at the moment, and wishing I had been taught more languages at school. The older you get, the tougher it is.
Hmm. Well, Frere Jacques is short and repetitive, easy to remember. We learned a lot of French songs, all short and easy. Look at the length of the Lithuanian lyrics. These days most children are an idle bunch and moan at anything - because they can. About time they did as they were told.
It's an international song festival for goodness sake,in my multicultural school 40 years ago we did Indian,Irish and English folk dance for a festival because that was the mixture at my school. Some parents need to broaden their minds and tell their kids to join in. We never understood algebra (who does) but we did it without bursting into tears!
What's so wrong with learning a foreign language, the younger they learn the better & faster too! I am working in Austria teaching English to 2-6 year old kids & how much younger than that can you get! The kids love to sing & have fun in their English hour believe me!
I remember being taught songs in a variety of foreign languages when I was at primary school. I also remember that despite not necessarily understanding the lyrics, neither children nor parents had an issue with this.
So sorry and you can all red arrow but for goodness sake this is England not Latvia, Lithuania or Poland! These people come here to live and work and MUST take on our way of life and respect that they are in our country and not their own. This school is quite wrong but for all the right reasons it is trying to integrate but it is foreigners that must adapt to us and not the other way around.
all you commenting about its ' just a song ' no it isnt this is insidious , creeping in and wiping out the english culture and language , immigrants should learn english how can they if the english are being made to learn the immigrant languages ?
Oh Please! It's just a song! Tell your kid to get a grip on reality. Get one yourself while you are at it.
Lyrics what they holding not in Lithuanian
I learnt Frere Jacque in primary school, as well as learning Silent Night and She Loves You (yeah yeah yeah) in German. I suspect this is simply a case of jumping on a bandwagon instead of a legitimate concern about what their child is learning.
Sorry I don't see what the problem is here. It's one song for a one off performance. Personally I think it's a great way to be inclusive and teach children about other cultures.
IN ALL PROBABILITY IT ISN'T THE SINGING - IT IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE BOMBARDED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS OF SO CALLED WELL INTENTIONED TELLING US TO GET ON LOVE IT AND EMBRACE ALL MINORITIES WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT WE ARE ALL SICK OF IT AND HAD THEY NOT POKED THEIR NOSES INTO EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES REGARDING FOREIGNERS AND JUST LEFT THEM TO IT FOREIGNERS WOULD ASSIMILATE AND WE WOULD ALL BE HAPPY - I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHO TO EMBRACE THANK YOU!
Oh please. Go to ANY school ANYWHERE in the world and you will find all the children can speak fluent English. Learning another language is fantastic, whether it is in a song or 4 words or fluent!! What is wrong with this country?!?!?!
I think learning a song in another language is a good idea. the parents are probably exaggerating how upset the kids where!
For those attacking the parents and saying how you learnt a foreign language at school (which indeed I did myself, both French and German) you need to understand that this is part of the EU's attempt to destroy the very notion of Britishness! The Franco-German plan is and always has been to destroy Great Britain as a Nation! They have both attempted to do so through force and lost so now they use the devious EU to get their way! I have no objection to children learning another language (even a European one) but I strongly object to what is becoming indoctrination of our children to accept the immigration and multiculturalism! I'm a Nationalist!
What a shame these parents object to their children learning a few words of a different language.I`m Englishbut live in Germany,had 5 years French and Latin at school,speak good German and Spanish(Both learned in the last 13 years) plus a bit of Polish and Czechish. This has been such a help to me over my lifetime(I`m 64).Let young children learn a bit of any language.In a foreign land when you only try to speak a bit of the tongue the people help you no end.They don`t laugh at you,
I learnt all sorts of foreign language songs at school. It's called education!
Nothing wrong with kids singing in other languages. Seriously, what harm is it doing?
not surprised. bit by bit we lose our grip on a once stable country.
"Fury"? A favourite word of the DM headline writers. According to the DM this country is full of "furious" people, getting red-faced and angry at hearing Lithuanian songs.
All foreign children should be speaking English, singing English and being taught English. Allowing them to continue in their native language will only delay their education but will also hold the English children back. Enough of this PC charade, they are in England now!
Oh no! children taught song in another language , they may learn something and have fun, oh no! Certainly the poor dears should find it difficult , I know some of our 3 year olds here in Taiwan struggle with English songs. So these 8 year old English students are clearly having too muched asked of them.
What sensitive, and silly, souls we seem to be breeding these days.
WeIl I doubt any children came home crying. When i was at shcool we sang Christmas songs in french and German. Why is this any different, especially since it's specifically for an event the school is involved in. Instead the children will be stuck inside doing a boring activity whilst the event is on. What's the point?
I am catholic and went to a jewish school and was taught jewish songs and learned about the jewish culture, i turned out fine i just happen to know alot about a different culture! Makes for something to talk about at a dinner party!
I can't see the harm. If the foreign children also learn songs in English, why shouldn't the English children learn songs in another language too? It surely helps them bond together and prevents ridiculous divisions. As a parent I would not object. If all lessons were taught in Lithuanian only that would be different but I suspect they are not!
This is ridiculous, a non story. When I was little in the 60s we learned things like "Frere Jacques" and "Au Clair de la Lune", then at High School you learned songs in French or German, whatever language you were taking. In the girls PE classes we also did Eastern European folk dances to go with Highland dances. Some of the girls in my class had Polish dads who had been here since WW2 and we had a next door neighbour who came to Britain after the Hungarian uprising; my parents were sad when the council rehoused us all and he was sent to the other end of the town. My dad was Irish, an uncle Polish and a friend's mum was Indian. We all just got on. Since we moved back to Scotland one of our best friends is a black American, another a Sikh. We had another lady here whose mum was a Romany. When we lived in London our friends were Indian Hindu, Iranian, Japanese and from countries like New Zealand. It's been a real education over the years.
Sure le pont, david none, or something like that, which we were made to learn in schools fifty years ago, but then again, the country wasn't overrun with Frenchmen!
Whoever is in charge of this school should get a grip of themselves and to be frank think about retiring from being a teacher. Multiculturalism is a good thing but to spend time teaching children to sing songs in a language that is of no real value is a waste of time and learning abilities. It might sound great to the organizer but start to think of the better uses that could have been done with the time and it pales into obscurity. These days teachers have so much time off for retraining and in teaching time, shorter hours actual teaching and with all the other misplaced events going on do very little real teaching. On their retraining you think that the main subject for them is how to organize better teaching practices with the hours available, because they are totally out of touch with the public. If they should try to learn a language try for Chinese, Japanese, German and French. Though by the sounds of it maybe English should have been added. These are the main languages used.
so they are including national dress of Germany and Greece - -are they also going to make the girls wear burkas just to show them about islam ?? - -or are the kids dressed as germans going to invade the kids dressed as Polish ? - - -sick of England bowing and scraping to everyone else - -this nation is finished - -if they want to come here - and live here - they should be learning to be part of our society.
...and this is why there is racism. I would be more than happy for my child to learn songs in other languages even if there were no children in his class from that county. Why wouldn't you want to show your child different cultures??. I know when I was at school I would have found this exciting and rushed home to show my mum how I could sing in a different language. This is ridiculous.
'Parents' fury' - REALLY?!?! Over a song? Get a life!
It's a good idea to integrate ethnic minorities in schools and what better way than through song .. surely there is some translation of the songs somewhere? It is the right age to learn some new words in different languages .. good idea teachers.
Because god forbid your child is exposed to a culture besides your own...narrow minded whiners.
Get a bloody grip! My children go to a Welsh school should I next complain that they are taught English songs. Heaven forbid children should be taught about other cultures and religions. Hang on a minute...,
Parents fury? Free culture exposure is how this should have been looked at but instead is viewed as an assault on some of these parents inability to understand their kids.
"That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.", they speak pretty good English in Poland and Lithuanian...
This is about an International Festival with songs in different languages which will be sang by all children. There is also an english song so I do not understand the fuss. I had to learn Frére Jacques, May There Always Be Sunshine (russian original) and Old MacDonald had a Farm at primary school and was not reduced to tears.
sur le pont d'avignon, and frere jacques my school in the 1950s not a french kid in sight but I loved singing them have a heart for the poor Lithuanian kids not there fault they are in UK .Children are the same the world over ...innocent
And what are you teaching your children Clare Eve? That they should just sing British songs, not learn other languages and be intolerant of others. I'm sure they will do really well in life with that sort of start. Why don't you home school if you're that bothered I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge to impart. NOT
I learned German and Russian in school and then English at uni...more languages you know better future for you ahead.
This is the United Kingdon
You know what you have to do at the next election, people.
Eight year old children have difficulty learning their own language?? They came home crying because they didn't understand the words of the song, really!!?? Never heard such utter rubbish!
"Children were being taught the lyrics for an upcoming international singing festival" So let me get this straight. These parents are upset that their children are being taught some international culture? What exactly is the problem with singing in another language? Why would the children be so upset? This whole thing stinks of thinly veiled xenophobia.
How awful for them, being exposed to other languages, broadening their horizons, possibly helping them develop linguistically! How dare anyone think they should learn or enjoy anything other than English. Purlease! My siblings and I not only went to a bilingual school but were also taught songs in other languages. To this day, my sister still knows the lyrics to the SA anthem - Zulu and all - and it hasn't held her back, if anything she's now fluent in 4 languages.
I am happy for my child to learn a song in another language and if possible able to speak another language.I know some few words in some languages and when I meet people from those places,when I say somethings in their language,they are shocked.I like that surprise and look of shock on their face.
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
The UK is gradually being taken over by Eastern Europe.
These parents need to get a grip. Whatever people think about immigration, I actually think it's good that children are learning about other cultures. Otherwise we'll end up like Nazi Germany.
one world and no different from singing freres jaques like we all did at school. Teachers just cannot win with moany parents like these
I would love to speak Lithuanian and Polish, I am so jealous! Polish and Lithuanian people speak good English in there countries so what is wrong with out children learning their language?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation.
All children at any school the world over should be integrating into the local culture. Nobody should be encouraged into mutlicultural ghettos and apartheid by "Show racism the red card" gauleiters. Could one of the gauleiters suggest the name of one multicultural democracy that has remained in harmony for the more than 100 years. An answer on a stamp will do.
Would they mind as much if it was a french or spanish song??? When i was at school we had to learn the Hallelujah chorus which is in latin. I still know the words but for the life of me have no idea what they mean. I didn't cry about it either.
Guess what folks it's part of the eyfs and every child matters frame work and its also part of learning about other cultures. I am a student in an infants school where they are encouraged to learn different greetings including polish. It helps bring everyone in the school together and teaches the children that everyone is special no matter what. For those people who keep saying where has English gone in our schools? It's still there, children who have English as a second language are supported to help develop their vocabulary skills in this area.
I am trilingual and grew up with the Polish language, but I can totally understand how these parents feel. At the end of the day, this is Britain where English is the first language, along with Welsh and Gaelic, and the EU five are *hopefully* the modern languages offered at schools. All other languages are for Saturday language schools. Migrants cannot just arrive at a country and take over the education system this way. My family never expected to, and neither did my husband's. Singing songs in non-EU five languages in this way is divisive, not educational. We all sang Frere Jacques at school because we were supposed to learn French!
20 years ago my son learned a song in Urdu. same difference.
I think these parents are just making mischief. The children are taking part in an international festival, what's their problem. It can be exciting for children to learn songs in other languages, my grandaughter was so proud to sing a song in Spanish and when I was at school we learned a couple of songs in French, it did not take over our identity for goodness sake get a life and choose your battles more wisely. Influence your kids in a more positive way and work with the school this way you can influence the really IMPORTANT decisions regarding your children's education.
The problem is not children but their ignorant parents. That was International song contest. But the problem is they hate foreigners. Yet they probably fly to Benidorm every summer.
Floods of tears! Really?! No offence but these kids need to man up a bit. Heaven forbid they ever watch Dora the Explorer and learn a bit of Spanish, they'll be wailing. They'll be scarred for life from learning frere jacques! People love complaining for complaining a sake.
No doubt these parents are the type that holiday in Benidorm as they don't have to bother learning another language. No thought given to how it may make other children feel welcome. No doubt they are sat on their backsides whinging about people from other countries 'nicking our jobs' while claiming dole. Well, the rest of us would rather have them here instead of you....... I would suggest you alter your idea of the typical benidorm holiday maker, i holiday in the benidorm region every year and love it for its mix of european cultures, i am a highly educated man with a good well paid job.
Rather than create a divide, the school are doing something that's all inclusive. Instead of the constant Eastern European bashing by the DM, they should be looking to support things like this. The Eastern European's are here to stay whether people like it or not so i think it's wise that people embrace their culture rather than dismiss it with some over-exaggerated tripe. If people take the time to spend some time with a Pole or Lithuanian for example; you may find that they are not much different from yourself.
What's the problem?Learning a different language is always interesting.
Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years
Were parents really furious? Were kids really in tears because they couldn't understand the song? Come on, get a backbone. Kids get taugh different languages, odd songs, all sorts of things, I fail to see the problem here. It may even help them make friends with their migrant schoolmates.
no no no if you live in this country you learn our language, our songs etc NOT OUR BENEFIT SYSTEM
Do they object to "Frere Jacques"? I'd be delighted if my children learned songs in other languages. If they don't understand the words, they can ask. Learning about other cultures and languages is good for children, and there's certainly nothing to cry about. What's wrong with these people?
Oh for heaven sake. Children coming home in floods of tears? Yeh riiiiiight! It's an International singing festival. Grow a pair, learn the song and get over it. It's good for them to know other cultures. Frere Jaques anyone?
So are there any German children at the school? Surely it makes sense to teach the children a language they can use on a daily basis. in addition I believe that it's the case that having learned one language other languages are easier to pick up. As for the comment about how young the children are do these parents not realise that the countries that teach the youngest children a foreign language have the most skilled linguists? In Norway children start learning English at the age of six.
UKIP 100% come on everyone UKIP it's the only way to stop this crap
Clare Eve - if your 8year old is struggling to learn her OWN language, she is spending too much time in front of a computer and not enough time in conversation with you and yours, love!!!
But parents do not seem to mind there little ones singing: Frêre Jacques! or even the german christmas carol: Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht! (silent night, holy night) - so I can only guess the issue is singing an east european childrens song..........a pity that people get riled over a childrens song when here are more pressing issues and challenges facing todays society.
Migrants come to the UK should be only taught ENGLISH. Don't forget you have to learn ENGLISH to get your free handouts now. I'm not raciest in anyway but our country is the only one who seems to bend over and take it. Yet the British are being left out as it is all handed to migrants. Have they ever paid into to our system. No, no wounder our country is becoming skint.
Wow. Just wow at all this outrage about a song. When I was at school in Holland in the 70s we learned songs in English, French and German and nobody swooned. These parents really need to join the rest of us in the real world.
Oh for crying out loud!!! So the kids learned a song in a different language??? So, what's the big deal?? When I was a kid in school, we had to learn "Frere Jacques" - a song in French. Just about every school child has had to learn that one. And of course, how many learned Christmas songs like "Adeste Fidelis" or "Stille Nacht" in Latin & German - a lot, I'll bet. It's not going to hurt these kids to learn a song in a different language - it might even prompt them to learn more about Lithuania, Poland, Greece & many more. Grow up, people. There are many, many things to get upset over - this is NOT one of them. Look at it this way - at least these kids learning something. Too many sit in school all day everyday & learn absolutely nothing. Get a hobby people.
What's England coming too? You tell them Clare! :-)
Narrow minded sad people. My 4yo is already familiar with 3 or 4 languages, he loves it and it enhances his education. I likes to learn about other cultures. He will develop excellent language skills from early exposure, this is proven.
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so.....
Is this a joke? At primary school we were "forced" to sing French songs. I still have no idea what they mean but they did not do me any harm. I wonder if it were French these kids were learning it would be okay, some people can be very discriminatory to Eastern Europeans and its just not on! My son loves in the night garden and I've been forced to learn their songs and its not even a language!
This once great Nation is a pathetic excuse now
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
Cry? Because they cant understand it? Really? I learned songs in all diffrent languages... What does it matter?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference.
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them
Did our parents show FURY when we learned Frere Jacques or Sur La Pont D'Avingon or Waltzing Matilda .....The Beatles, Madonna, The Black Eyed Peas, ABBA, ELO, Blondie have all had songs with Non-English Words......How do you people think the French, Germans and Dutch, The Chinese, The Serbs, The Lithuanians and the Russian learn English so well.....You Look the sort of idiots who would agree when asked if you were angry.....Still, let your kids languish at the bottom of a pile of fools rather than bury you prejudices and encourage them to try other languages.
It's just the thin end of the wedge.
Stupid teachers. Let them eat cake. When I was a kid in Scotland I had trouble understanding the accent as we had been in Hong Kong before that and they told my mother that I was thick but they then realised what the problem was. I think some teachers are just thick.
Good god! What in earth is happening in the UK? The inclusion we should be teaching is how to come to the UK, abide by our rules, learn the language, pay taxes and respect the native population.
Inclusive or taken over? Eastern europeans who choose to live here,while they are still permitted, should speak english and have their children educated the British way.If they don't want to do that, residence here is not compulsory. This attempt at political correctness to help a deeper understanding is never going to work.These Wisbech parents are representative of many UK parents who have watched while their own childrens futures are sacrificed to help those from afar. We are way past compromise.
Hang on... "International Singing Festival". I would take from this that the children know that they are to be singing songs in different languages, and if there are pupils from Poland and Lithuania then why should the school not choose to represent those countries too? I used to love things like this at school, especially the dressing up part! And it's nice for young kids to learn about different cultures, the fondness stays with you. This situation is like if my mum were to complain about the time I was dressed up as an Ancient Egyptian and taught hieroglyphs...
You CANNOT force multiculturalism down people's throats. People did NOT ask for this, of course they will be extremely upset or does it not matter if you're English? I speak Spanish, French, German, but because I opted too I was NOT forced. Just in case anyone has forgotten this is BRITAIN we speak English here and that's what should be focused on as many foreign individuals I have come into contact with do NOT even understand the word, excuse me.
It never fails to dismay me the way that some think the world is only their back yard. I cannot imagine a school in the world today that does not teach the value of music in any language. Perhaps, this is the village in the UK that refuses not one but all music from other countries, ie, Italy.
Sounds like the WAY the song was being taught was the the problem. Kids should be crying after a music lesson!
Wouldn't happen in France
The festival sounds fantastic. These parents are being ignorant - did they never learn Frere Jacques or Alouette Gentille Allouette at school? Or is it just Eastern European languages they object to. I bet by the time they are 12, the Eastern European children's grasp of English is far superior to many of the English kids' - at least they value education.
Nothing but english should be taught in english schools if immigrant parents want their children taught in their own language then they should pay privately to do it .
As long as they re taught songs in another language. AS WELL as in English, is it not a good thing to expand a child's horizons , it is when another language becomes the dominant one within the school that people should worry
I think it's a great idea - learning about other cultures is an enriching experience and will help any migrant children to settle in by helping the local children with the song.
English speaking skills aren't a priority - especially as it seems to be a prerequisite for getting a job as a carer in the NHS.
What is the country coming to, an English school with English children teaching a song in Lithuanian. They should be teaching the migrant children English, oh yeah I forgot you can't do that, it's not politically correct and might offend the minority.
I remember singing freres Jacques when I was a child, a French song. It didn't make me cry only interested in finding out we what the words meant. These kids need to grow up, or is this parents being Ott again?
If we are after a true multicultural society - this is GREAT - its language which connects people :)
It's a SONG... they're not asking them to give up their British citizenship. It's an INTERNATIONAL festival. Learn about other cultures and nationalities or you'll end up like your parents, kids.
I don't see what the fuss is about. When I was in school (I'm 20) we learnt songs in French, Spanish and German! I think it's good to teach children tolerance and acceptance of other cultures from a young age - maybe there'd be less of the racial attacks so often in the news recently.
So what about all the songs in English and other foreign languages pupils have to learn for example in Germany? Do you believe we learned English by singing german songs? I remember even a song in hebraic, hava nagila hava, which I liked very much to sing. Learing song texts means that you have to train your brain nothing more. And it is a kind of nice gesture to the pupils with eastern roots if there classmates learn some habits from their culture.
Schools can't do right for doing wrong. I was taught Frere Jacques at school 20 years ago and my parents didn't march up to school and complain, they didn't go running to the press either. I dont believe the children were in floods of tears either but thanks to their mummies they get to stay in school to do extra work while the rest of the school take part in a wonderful international music festival. These parents need something better to occupy their time.
I learnt Frere Jaque at school and had no idea what it meant - I really don't see the problem with doing a one-off song in another language... I think there is a bigger problem here and the English parents are resenting the amount of non-English speaking people in the school/town. They are sounding a bit petty by moaning about the song though.
It's no different to us learning Frere Jacques in primary shool, way back!!!
These people have come to the UK and should integrate accordingly. If you want to sing in Polish etc., stay there!
Oh c'mon now it's a song... Yes I think you should only speak English in an English speaking country but I always was interested in learning a new language. It is educational after all...
Oh please, "children in tears because they couldn't understand the song"? I'm a primary school teacher in Amsterdam with predominantly immigrant kids in my classroom and I've taught them foreign songs, including English, French, Hebrew and Surinamese songs. Did the children get upset? Of course not, they loved it. Because children love singing, especially in a foreign language! I'm guessing this has a lot more to do with the parents than with the children or the school...
Might as well learn the immigrants languages - English will soon be a minority langage in this country - thanks Tony!
my son schools was having the festival were the pupils were singing songs in Japanese and few othere languages-they were happy to learn and they had a great time...I understand tthat everyone is obssesed with people from abroad living here but seriously. ..didnt we all learn frerre jacke at school?
Wake up to the concept that the minorities rule and then make your voice count. Vote in elections; write to local papers; collaborate with neighbours; etc.
Oh for goodness sake!! We were taught songs in French as kids, it's called culture! Get over it, learning a sing in another language won't hurt your precious darlings.
I was taught 'Frere Jacques' as a child and my parents didnt cry about it...God forbid children would learn about a culture other than theirs!
I see know harm in learning a song in a different language. If we all learned just a little bit of each others cultures, perhaps there would be less prejudice and hatred in the world.
I learned Frere Jacques in school and was hardly scared for life despite not really understanding the lyrics. Did Gareth Malone not have primary school children singing the opening of Carmina Burana which is in Latin? Music is an international thing and long may it remain that way.
An international singing festival sounds ok. We did one at school and learnt something about other cultures. Not sure why the kids were crying though. They sound a little bit pathetic to be honest
We were taught a french song when I was at school, I don't remember anyone objecting to that. Silly small minded people, letting their own political agenda get in the way of their children's fun, education, development and understanding of different cultures. Sad really.
Came home because they didn't understand the words? What a load of rubbish. Many foreign children are taught English songs in their home country and they don't go crying about it. Foreigners bashing all over again.
Seems all one sided to me. ...if the parents object, their children will ber main in the school. This is obviously a sign of the times, and just guess where the school places the most value. Very worrying and very divisive.
Heaven forbid their children might get to learn about other cultures!
Children being taught to sing a song in Lithuanian or Polish is not a problem, however teaching children to be xenophobic IS a problem. We live in a multicultural society now whether we like it or not, and teaching children different languages is an excellent way of broadening their knowledge base. I feel very sorry for these children having such narrow minded parents to be honest.
RIGHT - FOR THE FINAL TIME - THIS IS ENGLAND. OUR NATIVE TONGUE IS ENGLISH. ANYONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE IT, KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN DO.
Frère Jacques,Frère Jacques, Dormez vous?Dormez vous? Sonnez les matines,Sonnez les matines, Din, din, don!Din, din, don! Anyone else remember learning this in England during the 70's
Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop!
Parent outraged that children are educated in foreign language at school - you couldn't make it up! When I was at primary school I learned Fere Jaques (brother John ... Awful spelling I know), I didn't understand the words either, but didn't cry about it. Also had to learn Adeste Fideles - again I had I idea what I was singing. My daughter came home from primary school having learned "hello" in Polish, and "happy new year" in Chinese. These parents are ridiculous ....
i suppose they all came home from nursery crying when they learnt frere jacques as well! for goodness sake its a song! if it was in spanish or french it would be seen as advantageous to learn something in a different language. the fuss is because its in polish and that hits a nerve with parents who object to the number of students from that country in the school.
I cannot see much wrong in children singing a song in another language. I had to sing in French and there were no French children in the class. The Baltic cultures have some great traditions but we always follow the US and spend thousands on Prom nights and send children out trick and treating on Halloween.
Oh get over yourself. Its an INTERNATIONAL festival. The name of the festival should've been a hint. Jeez. And now they have also been taught the meaning of the words. My parents didnt give a hoot that I as a Muslim had to learn "oh come all ye faithful", or that one day i was Sita in the Diwali celebrations and that my brother was Santa Claus when he was 5 for the Christmas Play. Gods sake.
What is it with these leftie teachers. Why do they feel the need to suck up to everyone else's culture and at the same time play ours down?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up.
Surely it should be the other way round., the migrant children should be singing in English. They are now living in this country with access to everything paid for therefore they should follow this country's curriculum. There are lots of migrant eastern European children attending a school near to me and when it is school times all the parents chatter away in their own language, not attempting to help their children, consequently more teaching time is needed for these children
Your comments:what is wrong? It's just a song?!! My eldest just graduated kindergarten. They sang in English, Spanish and Hebrew! The same song. The kids loved being able to sing in other languages. It's not going to harm them. It's not a religious school. It's not even a very multi-cultural school. Just they decided to "show-off" their skills!!! Get a grip!!
Not one of us went home in tears when we were taught Frere Jacque. What a bunch of wimps kids are these days.
Burying your head in the sand and shouting "pull up the drawbridge" will not change the fact that European integration is the inevitable future of this country. Young people embrace and enjoy different cultures, so this is no hardship on them whatsoever.
That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.
Integration via song. is it such a bad thing. After all we DO have the Eurovision Song contest. And all the youngsters are being taught not only how to sing in a foreign language, but also the meaning of the words they are singing. It would be worse if they knew not what they were singing about. Can't think of a better way to 'bridge the gap'. Only the parents are the ones complaining. But then . . . .
Nothing wrong in learning a second language ..
What our stupid government going to do about it????????????????????????
What a joke, get us out of the EU
Pensioners, who have contributed to this country all their working lives are being poorly treated and struggling to get by and the government gives them a further kick in the teeth by allowing something like this to happen. It's about time the people we put into power to look after our interests started do their job. Blair feathered his own nest, Brown made a mess of things even though he wasn't elected as Prime Minister and now it looks as if this lot haven't got the backbone to sort things out. God save us from politicians.
THATS , why the conservatives want to build new council houses on greenbelt land near YOU !
There's a reason they come here. Only the UK will give them vast sums in "social welfare" Try pulling this stunt in France or Germany for example
all the mps wont mind,they will be non located where they live.
Yet another reason why my move to Canada was the best decision I ever made. Good luck UK, it looks like you're going to need it!
5 years residence before accessing ANY benefits and some need a 10 year residence. This is beyond stupid
Does it matter the Country has gone to the dogs anyway?
A joke our goverment is one big joke all out to fill there own pockets don't care about poor sick they get private medical and big pension,s we fools pay for big shake up needed
I recommend you all forward this email to the conservative party or your local MP and the Liberals and voice exactly what you think.otherwise this could be a disaster.
Please bring me back our GREAT BRITAIN. So very sad that it has come to this. This has got to stop, RIGHT NOW. PLEASE.
Now would be an excellent time for a referendum on leaving the EU.............
This finally convinces me and many others that UK should exit the European Union. We need a referendum as soon as possible.
I wish the British taxpayer would wake up. Politians have ruined this country and its about time something was done but don' t hold your breath
this story ive never seen so many likes on a comment before on the daily mail comment oh and i gave an up for the comment
Were full to the brim as it is!,
I am Bulgarian and I 've been living here for 3 years. Britain's has given me loads more than my own country. Its harsh to say say it but I am not moving from here. Although Britain has given me loads , I have been working hard , studying and never had any benefits. I didn't come here because of the benefits. I just found a life which I wanted to have. Mainly people make me feel better here not those 'benefits'. Those picture don't describe the life in Bulgaria , the Media has decided to use them just to make their story more interesting. I agree with the fact that many East Europeans are coming here because they get benefits etc but many people work hard , in fact twice more than some English to make sure they are going to have a good future and provide a good life to their families. Many English people have children at the age of 18 just to get and live on benefits. I may be only 20 years old but I have a strong opinion about that and I want to show the English community
Time to pull up the drawbridge.
THIS CAN'T BE ALOUD TO HAPPEN, WAKE UP CAMERON. Keith4/Lidlow
Now I know why Cameron wants to build on Green belt land they are going to need somewhere to live! Yes the our country is under Cameron!! NOT
Referendum NOWWWWWWWW
Folks, this story is incorrect. If someone has not been resident in the UK for 6 months and or they haven't paid NI for 6 months they will get zilch from the state and this applies to Britons too even if they've lived and worked here paying tax and NI all their lives. Check-out the fact for yourselves folks......(!)
Well Cameron what youi got to say?????? Nice one Clegg what have you got to say???? Not much I suppose.
this is why this once great britain is the laughing stock of the world.
the rules need changing, you put nothing in, you get nothing out..............
This article has ruined my Cristmas, also made me realise how much I HATE Blair, Brown, and now Cameron, they will all go down in history as the people who destroyed this country,!! We the electorate are just as much to blame, we just sat back and allowed it to happen, as the saying goe's we reap what we sow, and I fear for the lives of the next generation. Sorry folks, but the Christmas spirit or goodwill I woke up to, has now disappeared, and I blame our useless politicians.!!!!
I get the feeling that the British public have finally had enough. The government should expect mass demonstrations if nothing is done to stop this disgusting breach of our generosity and tolerance.
The answer to every single problem in the UK today in control immigration - Schools too full? Immigration. Hospitals running beyond capacity? Immigration. Under 21's unable to get work? Immigration. Sort things out now.
Shut the borders now Cameron!!!!
How about the Government sends £29 million pounds over there and not let them in. It will save a lot aof aggro for UK residents and probably be a lot less costly in the long run.
Where the heck are they going to live...?
I suppose the next thing we will hear is that unemployment is going down and in the next census that total population is 65 million. Dream on!
Let the politicians put them up in their gardens and on the green by the houses of parliament, Checkers is only used at weekends, and all the grace and favour houses the government has could be opened up for them, as most politicians have two homes i'm sure they will be able to accomadate loads !!!!
WE are not tolerant we are furious at a governmant that doesnt give a monkeys about its own citizens.Don't come you are not welcome. call me Dave put a neon sign at borders telling all Britain is full.Do it or we will.Referendum NOW.
Nu-Liebour let in 3 million immigrants...Nu-Liebour built fewer houses per year than in the 30`s...Nu-Liebour nodded through the enlargement of the EU to let Romania and Bulgaria in.....Nu-Labour ratified the Lisbon Treaty to give the EU more powers...........But it is the co-alitions fault. ....Damien McBride has had a good day briefing most of the posters on here to-day.
For those who says France should take them, no thanks! We already have to take 200 000 Algerians a year without people's consent, which is the size of a city. We should all stop taking all these people who only come ''milk the cow''.
I do feel sorry for these people, particularly the children, but if we continue to share resources which we haven't actually got then before long we will all be sharing in their deprivation too, and their miserable lives will be ours as well. The UK is ALREADY FULL, and has been for some time. There are no more vacancies, and this country will pay a high price if it's forced to keep creating them.
Our Government will not do anything to stop this trash of people coming to us. They are to scared to upset Brussels. We need a Government that needs guts. lets face it they can't even get rid of one ( Abu Qutada) some Home Secretary we got. Lets face a people we are the laughing stock of the world.
Why are people on here complaining? They are ones responsible for voting in past and current political parties. You get what you deserve.
Why did our fathers and grandfathers go through hell and to loose so many valuable lives to win a war, only to be dictated to by the countries they fought? Perhaps we should have let the other side win the war; we wouldn't be in this mess that¿s for sure, and perhaps there wouldn't be so many wanting to enter the UK.
What is Janus going to do to protect us from this predicted influx? Nothing, both of his faces will be looking the other way.
That is EXACTLY what the Brits fought for in WWII. Enjoy, embrace, love it.
It's not the immigrants that's the problem, it's the government that lets them stay and claim all the money that British people work hard for. British people then think instead of working they will claim benefits aswell and bring their kids up to think the same. British people don't mind people coming into the country as long as they provide something beneficial and have equal rights , not more rights!
If don't like Bulgaria, why lot a British people come to Bulgaria on holiday, buy property and live permanently. Over 2 million people from Poland live in UK from 2004. Nobody talk about them just Bulgarian is worse people in EU . The British people is not welcome in Bulgaria any more. P.S 29 m Bulgarians and Romanians will move in Uk after 2014. That story is real like story of end of the world 21.12.12
lol, Good luck bro.....
How many comments. Come on mr Cameron, wake up !!!
On the other hand 60 million Britains will be able to go and live there
This is so funny! There are not 29m bulgarians and romanians.. Hurry up we need to find more people.. Like we are all gonna move to UK and beg. The president, the doctors, the teachers will go to UK to steal and beg. Romania and Bulgaria will remain an empty space with not a single human. UK, you don't flatter yourself .. there are better countries to live in. And try to make an effort to understand the difference between gypsy and romanian/bulgarian.
This is scary where is the money and houses going to come from to give to these people, they don't want to work well that won't be a problem because, all the jobs have already been taken, if you go into Peterborough, the agencies have a notice in some of the windows, saying no English, you go in the factories in Peterborough, Huntingdon,Grantham,spalding,Milton Keynes, Loughborough, Northampton you will not hear English being spoken, and don't tell me that the English don't want these jobs because I know at least 20 who would like to get a job tomorrow but have been turned away because they cannot speak any other language but English, UKIP or BNP will be the people I vote for next time.
Where does all the money come from that pays for housing, food etc. Do people really believe that in the UK we get homes, education and our lives for free? Time to learn mandarin!!!!!
29m Bulgarians? Come on DM, you let us down on this one! DO SOME RESEARCH!!! You told us, a few years ago when Bulgaria joined the EU they would all be on our doorsteps on the first of Jan that year. There are around 4 million Bulgarians in total, most seem to be still in their own country!
The funny thing these immigrants especially the Eastern Europeans hate us. It's tune we unite as a nation and stand up against this mass immigration from EVERYWHERE! Go to America, Australia, Germany etc Anywhere but here.
Britain does not need them and the British people do not want them.
To all those leaving "time to leave the UK" type comments, yes please DO leave. This country needs fewer up-tight types who love to complain (but take little action), and can't see a scaremongering, poorly written article for what it is. Millions of Romanian gypsies will not be moving here.- Be Nice, Brighton, 24/12/2012 13:51 +++++++++++++++++++++++++Millions of Poles moved here when they joined the EU so much so that there is now a shortage of labour in Poland, do you really think that these "poor" Bulgarians and Romanians who could work in Poland in they wanted but don't won't jump at the chances of coming to Britain, just like all the other immigrants who pass through many countries to get here.
I wish DM would do some research before writing ridiculous comments as they will be able to come over and get handouts etc! I work in the housing/support work sector and I know that individuals from A8 countries such as Romania are UNABLE to get ANY benefits, housing, health care etc UNLESS they are working! IF they do not work, they are not entitled and can only get help if they are. If they stop, it is all stopped. So please research appropriately before spouting such rubbish! - livinginthebath, bath, 24/12/2012 13:01 It was widely reported that a man with 10 children came to London from Bulgaria to seek benefits. They lived on the streets and because they had children they were instantly housed to safeguard the children.So you are talking nonsense.
Dear Sue Reid, I am Romanian and I find it hard to believe that you actually consider yourself a journalist if this is the professional way you have chosen to depict two Eastern European countries. You are clearly trying to mislead the readers into thinking Romania and Bulgaria are all about Roma people and that we do not lead a normal life here. I have also been to Sofia which is actually a city worth visiting and Fakulteta is indeed one of the poor suburbs of the capital. Let me guess, London or other European capitals do not have such poor suburbs? The fact that you are trying to bring forward a bad image for any country does not make you worthy of your profession. And the video about Romania you've added to this article!! Are you serious? I'm happy to see that you have already received a lot of criticism from the readers who did not actually buy into this xenophobic article. Do as all a favor and stop promoting such stupidity!
According to wikipedia in Romania lives 19,042,936 peoples (2011 census) and in bulgaria 7,364,570 peoples (2011 census) . So... summing all the romanian and bulgarians we have... about 26 milions souls. Anyone believe that all of them will go to the UK ? I believe not...- Costea Bogdan , bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 14:34 +++++++++++++++ Why's that then, what have they got to keep them in their Bulgaria and Romania.
Close the gates before the UK loses any last chance of being what was once a great country where OUR kids had a future.
Canvey island has a few empty houses waiting for benefit munchers!!!!
This article does not say that 29 million people will be coming, just that they are legally entitled. It is the quality of the would-be immigrants that is a concern. No other European country hands out state benefits on the scale Britain does, that is why we are so attractive to these people. It is clear many of them will be a burden on the state, at a time when we are full and have run out of money. It is insane.
these people are generally well brought up and well dressed, so they should be welcomed to the uk, and we should get rid of the scruffy foul mouthed EDL and UKIP supporters!
this goverment will allow this to happen,and within 6mths on the uk being flooded the goverment will say,that unemployment has risen to a whole new high,you the tax payers you the uk citezens will have to have a cut in money,bearing in mind the goverment wont take any cuts in there money ,the uk is just about boomed,WE NEED A NEW GOVERMENT ,VOTE THE UKIP ,LABOUR AND THE TORIES HAVE PROVEN OVER THE YEARS THAT WE THE PUBLIC DONT MEAN A THING,COULD IT BE ANY WORSER TO TRY A NEW GOVERMENT,WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO LOSE NOW,
why do you think i left ..... i paid for years into the system............. if i went back now , would i get help...... NO..... it stinks the bloody system stinks !!!!!!
God help us! Of course David Cameron will not be living anywhere near them, he will not be troubled by them. I am ashamed to admit I voted for Cameron, but never again, UKIP from now on, lets hope it is not too late. TOO MANY PEOPLE, on one tiny island, when will the government learn???? thats not racism, that is common sense. pity the government do not have much of it, they all get in and feather their nest and then move on, and leave us to it!
France has got a lot more space; so lets hope they go there!!!- Angela Hales , Shropshire, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:50***** Of course they wont go there, or any other EU country where you have to actually work before you're entitled to any benefits. Why work for a living when they can just scrounge off a PC state that gives handouts to anyone? If UK actually sorted out their welfare system to look after their own as it was designed, then it wouldnt be such an attraction for immigrants. Payouts should only be received by those who have paid in - like elsewhere in EU! Why do you think they all want to go to UK? Its not for the weather for sure!
Yet another reason we should be out of this failed and corrupt social experiment NOW
I suspect the people in Kensington and Leamington Spa who accuse us of xenophobia and intolerance are unlikely to be unduly bothered by these immigrants .. But other areas of this country are basically in danger ..these people are coming purely to avail themselves of all the benefits that they can so easily get once here,. They will bring the less savoury elements of the culture and increase the crime, schools will be flooded by children who cannot speak English, thus interfering with the education of other children , there are thousands of the indigenous population who need homes , how are these people going to be housed, disabled people with genuine need are losing their benefits as the bill is too costly, how is the government going to pay benefits to vast numbers of immigrants ..this country cannot cope with this , the Government have got to do something .very very urgently
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam, Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 --------------------- Sam your a allodoxaphobic. Let's brand everybody with a word to try and make them feel bad. The country is full and can't cope plain and simple no more should be allowed in Unless they are highly skilled we have enough big issue sellers.
Country is already swamped. Immigration has been out of control for too long. It is a recipe for disaster!
We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. And these gypsies in the slums of Sofia can hardly wait....................SO WHY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN ??????????
Take a lesson from Northern Island, when they sent them a load of Roma they didn't last a week before they were begging to go back to London.
And they use to be concerned about Commonwealth citizens a few years ago......Ah! Be careful what you wish for.
From a practical viewpoint, here in London, there are not enough school places (and some schools have over 300 languages, other than English, as first language); NHS provision is not coping with current population; same with other council services and other essential services. How is this country going to cope with the continuing flow in of population? Where are the jobs for these people (we are an economy in decline); and where are they going to live, as there are not enough housing stock for existing population? New Labour who committed this country to this EU Policy have some explaining to do and how will they deal with this when they get in next time.
The human race needs to learn not to breed until they have something to offer a child,a lot of poverty in the world would be ended if we could do this one simple thing! Perhaps millions should be ploughed in offering free contraception worldwide for a start and in this country capping benefits after two kids as well!
I see the predictable left-wingers are complaining about others actually having the cheek to question this immigration issue or horror of horrors, actually questioning why is Britain being sailed straight down the route of total destruction. Mentioning winding up dm readers, or dog-whistles, or bigots or the other banal words of the left-winger's dictionary is the traditional way to crush free speech and avoid the real issue.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas- sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 Well let them come and live next door to you and ill put money on it you wouldn't be saying this then. Do gooders like you are the reason this country is in the state it is. Maybe if the government and polititians had these people living amongst them, they would close the floodgates in a heartbeat!!!
Even India and China have much much tougher controls. Great Britain, our precious country is just open to abuse by these people and their warped mentality to steal and take as much as they can without contributing. It really is disgusting. Somehow I think in the next 5-10 years Great Britain will lose it's place in the world economy with all this looting.
No-one, of any nationality, should be allowed in unless they have a signed contract of employment.
It would be so easy to bring in a law that immigrants to this country are only entitled to the benefits they would receive in their home country (usually nothing!) until they have been here and paid NI and Income tax for a full five years.
This surely indicates that we are a caring and reasonable society; these people do not want to go to Germany or France. We are a part of the EU and cannot ignore the rules even if the rest do. Do we not pride ourselves on being a tolerant multi cultural society; we have most of Ireland¿s traveller population so what difference will a few more make. If we fear an increase in crime then that can be dealt with by our Police and Courts, not to difficult to hand out a few more community service orders or ASBOS. Anyway the children will be under the age of criminal responsibility. And on the positive side it will provide more employment, Solicitors, Interpreters, Social workers etc and their extra taxes will go towards paying the additional benefits. This is great for Britain.
It's a harsh and hard truth but England CANNOT afford to keep letting people in just because we feel sorry for them, it would be at the expense of what little value this country has left
WELCOME !
.....wish Mrs T was still in charge.....
But still the Great British sheep will vote lib/lab/con and the other fools will say I'm not voting, so what do we all expect. I believe UKIP is our last hope but the media that seem to run things will smear them and the little sheep will fall for it.
Some very nice fertile ground here for Labour to help give those in their upper echlons a lucrative income - looks like their traditional supporters deserve this more than anyone else! You get what you vote for.....apparently?
Great.... it's bad enough as it is!!
Trust me, Fakulteta is a safer place to pass through than some areas in the so called "financial capital of the world" like Peckam, Tottenham, Deptford, Lewisham, to name just a few. The total population of Bulgaria and Romania makes about 28 million people. Do you really believe the UKIP that all of them would prefer to live in a country with high rates of street violence, burglary, crimes; poor health service; high rents and low wages and where every single day somebody kills their family or at least their pet or punches a stranger on the street?!!! Merry Christmas and don't worry about the immigrants from EU.
This needs to stop NOW. If there is a loop hole found in the EU rules why isn't anything being done about it? Our country has reached saturation point with all these people ready for the free this, free that. Makes you want to weep.
Rubbish is not collected,roads are not paved,housing is made from rubbish picked from dump,no work.what do these authorities expect to happen. The picture of showing rows upon rows of what I assume to be soviet era apartment buildings say it all. There are housing or better still housing them is possible .
I have just found another 29 million reasons for this country ot leave the EU.
more scaremonging lol couldnt even give it a rest ITS CHRIIIIIIIIIISTMAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS!!!!!
To clarify this lie! This area was completly demolished 18 months ago!!!
If this does go through Cameron will never get voted in again ...Him or his party ...Labour party...They aren't even worth mentioning....UKIP from now on, from me, try to get our country back..that's if it is not too late !
Has any country in the entire world got worse politicians than us??
Its not a dislike of foreigners, in their own countries. It is when they come here into the most overcrowded country in Europe. It is when they take our jobs by driving down wages. It is when the overcrowd our hospitals and reintroduce diseases like TB which was almost irradicated in England. It is when they claim benefits on arrival. It is when we read how 29.9% of our population do not consider themselves English (Census 2011) It is when we read how large a percentage compared to population size are in prison or on benefits. It is when we hear the Society for Black lawyers calling the FA institutionally racist. it is when the media and government ignore our history and culture to displace it with someone elses. It is when the media and government continue the lie of the benefits of mass immigration. etc etc I do not hate any foreigner but I do hate the destruction of the English culture and identity caused by mass immigration.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam, Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 No, not selfish. It's just that our generosity has reached it's limit. We are skint . It's all about priorities and the majority of people would rather see our taxes spent on such things as pensions and healthcare for our citizens. Not unreasonable given that is the reason we all pay our taxes.Perhaps you believe funding for these things should be cut?
Many comments say vote UKIP but what would this party be able to do to change this and other situations I believe it willl stay exactly the same with a lot of hot air and promises from whoever gets into government,.
Time for a revolution.
@- james, wirral, 24/12/2012 13:13"THIS BUS IS FULL EVEN WITH STANDING ROOM .?"==> If this happen.. don't get surprise, they will standing on the top roof of the bus.
Let's face it - the UK is now socially and economically finished. Get out if you can.
I'm writing to Cameron , see what he has to say . Everyone do the same .
France has got a lot more space; so lets hope they go there!!!
DO NOT expect Dave Cameron or trhe rest of LIBLABCON to help us--they do not care.
the government are more friendly to people like this than they are too British citizens , these people will get masses of help from the councils and the benefit agency ,now the help that soldiers receive when they are on discharge both medically and retired , they are not allocated any housing many live rough and in cars after refusal of help from councils ,and they have too fight for the right benefit ,my Christmas present if i could afford one would be equal treatment for everyone in this country .
all these people who dont mind these countries people coming over here are the ones who are destroying this country. they just dont know what is going on in my country. they live in ivory towers
Top comments section shows almost 50,000 against immigration--is this appraoching a record DM?
From all the comments people in the UK are rejecting EU, if MR. Cameron not taking any action or no capability to out from EU, may be he should step down. Multiculturalism is good but it does NOT mean they come here, change the law and take benefit.
to all the Bulgarians who are thinking of coming to the UK in the future, London streets are really paved with gold and you can just walk into stores and they will give you food and drink for nothing. londoners are very happy cheery people always smiling. you can go have dinner with the queen and the prime minister, they will be very pleased to entertain you. the sun always shines in london and you can travel free to the south coast where they have lovely beaches with warm safe waters. so please if you come stay in the south east. there is no need to travel far from where you land.
If the E.U. cant break us morally, they will break us financially. That's what they want is'nt it!!!!!!!!.
My god . How the British people were conned by Heath back in the 60s. Who would have thought that a free trade agreement between european countries would have led to Britain being overrun by the people from these countries. They bring nothing to this country but claim benefits and bleed us dry. More pressure on public housing, the NHS and A&Es. Bet these people, like the Somalians take their place at the front of the housing queue. And what is Cameron doing. Absolutely nothing. I don't care because I am 71 and wont be here much longer but I fear for my grandchildren and great grandchildren. We have already reached saturation point and yet they are going to let even more in. What does Bulgaria bring to the EC apart from poverty. They don't bring anything and I bet they won't contribute financially but take out.
If they are coming over here for a better life and are willing to work hard then why not. But the ones that come over and go straight on benefits annoy me!what about people who are English that need help and money e.g people with life taking illnesses.
Just tax them everything else is taxed.
This is why in remote northern towns and villages such as Penrith hundreds of new homes are being built. Not for the indiginous population (unless they are expected to suddenly reproduce in large numbers) but for the present and future influx from the EU. The councils fail to mention this and offer enticements like affordable housing. The probable pressure from government is to build in such places so that by spreading the influx across the country they hope we won't notice. Enough is Enough!
Why would they be coming here when every country has a Benefits system? Answer: Ours is by far the most generous and easily defrauded. Scrap housing benefit, not just for migrants but British under-26s. We must sort ourselves out now.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas- sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 Utter rubbish! You seem to forget about our housing crisis and rapidly swelling welfare state. You simly can't give what you have not got
Time to close this relationship with the EU Please please a request to this Gov and the coming Gov get us out of the zone as quickly as possible....I was born and brought up here, im not white but i can see a big big change in the face of this country and i am not liking it either.....
You know, this bloke is sitting on an immigration Armageddon where all hell is going to break loose with disgruntled voters in the UK, and Camoron addresses EVERY other issue he can think of--but the one drama that is going to explode on his fat face before very long!!!!
a referendum please and the sooner the better. We are already shuffling the deck chairs on a sinking ship, no matter where you put them, we will go under otherwise.
How do they afford the fare, couldnt afford to go there> Why dont they get togeher and clean up their own country. Being poor doesnt mean you needt to live in filth. ] Got to Africa and see the spotelss areas around the simple huts that people still live in in som areas. they are very proud. Time that te British govt. cleaned up its act and put its ow citizens first.
and the elite party on as the masses are left to deal with more economic stress with thousands more jobs given to non native nationals, just like rome...
let them come,the sooner the better this country implodes the better, as far as im concerned.
Why let these people in when they quite proudly claim there theives and beggers and want to come her to claim our benefits! We pay tax to live here but yet when they come they bring nothing but debt why should they be entitled to anything before they start working. If they don't have work at home they won't find it here. This country needs to take a long look at whats important people from these countries bring nothing but breaking the law to our table. As a nation we are already struggling so why not let a loud more idiots into what is already a country when we have english people on the streets. If there is no home for our own country men then there is definatley no room for these gypsies!
Romanians according to wikipewdia :19,042,936 souls (2011 census) Bulgarians according to wikipedia :7,364,570 souls (2011 census ) You do the math...
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 We have people like you to thank for the mess that we are in... What difference does it make that it is Christmas Eve?
Sadly as said before if you have those dictating policies who base their views more on philosophical dogma than lived reality ,then this is one of the results,because they don't have to live with the consequences of their actions or utterances.
For the British people this is one of the most pivotal moments in your history. An economy can only support a small percentage of unemployment. Those incredible benifits must be paid by someone. Those who wish to enter the country, i can not blame, we all want a better life esp. for our kids. The moment has come that all English people must come together and ask the BIG question. DO WE REALLY WISH TO REMAIN PART OF THIS SINKING SHIP OF A EURO PROJECT?
I'm so glad to now say that I'm a UKIP member and look forward to 2015(or sooner I hope) then we can vote Nigel in and get spineless Dave out. ONLY Nigel will give us THAT referendum to get us out of the useless EU. We MUST put a stop to this mass immigration. We have enough home grown rubbish without importing more every day. Vote UKIP please everyone. The LIB/LAB/CON parties will only keep giving us more of the same.
According to wikipedia in Romania lives 19,042,936 peoples (2011 census) and in bulgaria 7,364,570 peoples (2011 census) . So... summing all the romanian and bulgarians we have... about 26 milions souls. Anyone believe that all of them will go to the UK ? I believe not...
And whichever party is in power we, the people, can do nothing about it.
If this happens I'm off, leave them to it, because what the point they're not listening to us. Do you think they actually care that the majority don't want this? I'd vote UKIP every time in the meantime though.
This lot need to be stopped in their tracks, were full.
There are 19 million romanians and 7 millions bulgarians that is 26 milions in total. Daily mail needs to hire a mathematician... really fast...
The intent of socialism is to destroy the integrity of the individual, the couple, the family, the community, the nation state....
Just what the UK needs :s
Brits living in Bulgaria are entitled to NOTHING form either government. In Bulgaria you have to be self funded. No wonder so many middle aged, financialy secure people are leving the UK as they are fed up working and paying tax for millions to be able to claim and do nothing. Perhaps it should be like the States...community work for handouts No work no money.
Bring it on, the more the merrier. The welfare state is on the verge of collapse anyway. A few million more won't make that much of a difference. I'll high five them on the way in when I'm making my way out.
Only when the people start revolting will the politicians learn, then a leader will emerge who people will listen to.
This is disgusting. 29 million people allowed to live here. We have enough scum of our own. This surely can't be right. What happens if they all turn up on the same day ?? This is very scary.
If allowed in to UK that beautiful country will soon become like the place they left, trash everything god forbid this from happening
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world. - citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:14 Don't be ridiculous, nobody alive today has ever invaded anywhere, it would probably have been better if we had stayed out of the last world wars though as nobody thanked our country for saving Europe. - Daisy, Bognor Regis, 24/12/2012 12:21 The first person is right. Learn your history... How many countries have Britain taken and invaded??
I have colleagues in Sofia, and one of them was over last week. Contrary to the xenophobic nonsense that this article seeks to peddle, they are a modern, decent people whose sole goal in life isn't to rob the English. Some will come over here, yes. But just as other Eastern European countries weren't emptied of poor people beating a path to the White Cliffs, so Bulgaria isn't going to relocate en masse to the UK.
DM readers.....easier to wind up than a clockwork gerbil...!
Why do people keep electing morons into government??
Because of global warming the sea levels are rising or has nobody noticed, these unwelcome visitors and their compatriots will wish that they had stayed at home ,go to the south coast and you will see the coast erroding into the sea.
No we don't want you here and we are not tolerant. We have just been bashed into silent submission by our Governments.
This NEEDS to stop. Why are we still letting people in and supporting them with our tax money. When will something be done about this. I am so sick of walking down my high street and not hearing english. This country is a joke.
Go away, we are full!!
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas
I've no problem with people wanting to make a better life for their families, but learn English, get a job and pay your own way before you get on the ferry! Have some respect for the Country you are about to make your home and you will have respect in return.
We should adopt the French policy of paying benefits commensurate with what you've paid into the system. This includes the long-term unemployed - a basic benefit to those who have never worked. Far too many in our country are in desparate need, you only have to see the increasing number of foodbanks setting up.
Whilst we have the rules we do, if you were in their shoes, what would you do? I would be over here like a shot. Do not blame the people, blame the Government.
A shocking piece of negative propaganda, fuelling ignorance and hate. You should be ashamed of yourselves, DM.
where do these people get the money from to fly to britain. according to the article they cannot pay their fuel /elecricity bills. If they can find jobs it would be a miracle. If they can speak english it would be a miracle. I do not intend to learn Bulgarian
"The Mail's bias against the EU is incredible. There won't be this many immigrants. Don't believe everything you read. - Rationalist, Devon, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 11:20" ======================================================================================== Tony b liar, is that you?
It's make or break time Mr Cameron - for you and the country. Get your veto out!
Enough is enough. We are being run as a country by a bunch of self servers. Those on the inside won't object and those on the outside won't object and ruin their chances of being on the inside, In 1973 the UK entered the European Economic Council, in 1975 the country voted to stay in the EEC thinking it was a trading organisation dispite being told by a certain Gentleman warned the country where it would take us. The politians of the said he was wrong. He was RIGHT and the politians wrong. Cameron promised the country a referendum if he was Prine Minister. You are now the Prime Minister where is the Referendum???? I was born in the early 30's and I have learnt one thing and yhat never trust a politian. Yes there are some trust worthy politians, but they are on the back benches.
Next year it is make or break for the conservatives. Let them in and its UKIP for me 100%
Somebody stop them quick
Please DO NOT blame the EU it is the UK that keeps giving benefits away . In Spain if you are unemployed you get help for 6 mth only and that is only for the Spanish the rest get NOTHING from the government. GET GB TO STOP GIVING BENEFITS TO PEOPLE NOT WORKING COMING TO GB Sheula
Payback for imperialism?
Our country is full already,so we should take in NIL from now on.We should also kick out all the undesireable foreigners we already have.Let this country return to the way it was......all British,born and bred,and the way to start that is to come out of the EU now....vote UKIP>
In the communist era al lthese people had guaranteed jobs and housing, all adult's had a guaranteed job by the communist system... What was wrong with that? and why Britain and america plotted to bring down the communist system?... So no all the posters are against these people coming here, but anyone of us in their condition would want to do exactly the same, so do not be hypocrites and blames these people or the EU. Blame our own country and america for bringing down communism without thinking about the consequences... And yes, it is Britain fault as always, because Britain never learnt that before interfering with other systems you must think and foresee what the consequences will be.
What part of the European Constitution denies our right to select who can and cannot live in this country? I would love know who signed it and have them tried for treason.
There is one simple answer to this problem.OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Freedom of Movement rule....looks like you have one more year left. You're doomed - Floridian, USA, United States, 24/12/2012 1:07 Obama has seen what Blair did here, he is doing the same with the Mexicans, it's called "importing client voters"
The joint population of Romania and Bulgaria is 28.5 million. How is this even possible?
Im English and I hate the UK and England. When I finish University I will be moving abroad where I will sit and watch this country rott.
The darned EU will do to the UK what 2 World Wars could not do! Bring it to it's Knees by destroying it's ecomony, medical system, laws and social fabric! How in Heaven's name could successive UK governments let it come to this! Disgraceful; time for UK citizens to take back their country and kick the uber-corrupt EU, and non-UK spongers, out before it's too late, if it already isn't!
And what is Cameron concerned with?....... Yes your right 'gay marriages' that's where his priorities lay! Getting votes no matter what! He really needs to look and see what he is doing to this country.
The reason that there are not enough jobs around, and certainly not at levels that would ensure a decent standard of living, is that our particular form of capitalism (the neoliberal form that insists on offshoring and privatising absolutely everything) has failed and has been failing for 30 years. It has nothing to do with migration at all.
All Brits should be out en mass protesting and demanding the closure of the UK to all immigrants.If you all sit back and do nothing you deserve all the immigants you get.
Time to leave I think.
This country needs ID cards for everyone to be carried at all times. The population of UK is much higher than the census figures as anyone who has something to hide just stay hidden. ID cards now.
Nicholas Sarkozy gave them money for a flight back to Eastern Europe, he wasn't afraid of all this political correctness and equal rights like our government. Referendum please.
Dear DM - the population of Bulgaria is just under 7.5 million. And Romania is about 19 million. Together, unless every Bulgarian and/or Romanian of the world picks up to move to the UK, would not make up the 29 million cited here. "tempted by tolerance and a host of benefits" - I hope the attitude of DM's commentors isn't what qualifies as "tolerance" in England. -Bulgarian abroad, not tolerant, welcoming England
Too much EU money wasted and misapplied. Too little on helping the poorer nations re-build their societies and providing employment on their home soil.
When our coffers have been drained by all the immigrants, will we be able to go to their countries to get the benefits our own government will no longer be able to afford. Or is this just a one way traffic.
How come all these gipsies all say they are Manchester United fans?... Do they want to come to England or do they want to us to pay for them to watch Man United at Old Traffaord?... In that case Man United better expand Old Trafford to a capacity of a million.
It cost's this country an absolute fortune just to be a part of the EU before we even consider the cost of the immigrants from various parts of Europe and beyond. Please understand, that I am not a racist bigot!! Far from it, but this is ridiculous! We are a small island, and simply cannot sustain this level of uncontrolled immigration, and dishing out of benefits to all and sundry. Does anyone really think that the influx of Romanian and Bulgarian Gypsies is going to enhance our nation. Of course not!! There will be a massive increase in acquisitive crime, such as shop theft and theft from persons. This may sound trivial, but when you ally that with the cost of housing, benefits etc. Crisis is not an overstatement. So why is this going to be allowed to happen? It's time people for serious consideration to be given to leaving the EU. There is no economic or social benefit, in fact the opposite. So come on Mr Cameron, lets have a referendum now!!
What a load of pap.
Anyone with any sense can see the giant holes in this piece of 'journalism' a mile off. Do people actually think that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come and settle in the UK in 2014 and that the government will immediately give them benefits to live on??? It doesn't work like that!!!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion!- Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 ## I have a suggestion: you and your fellow Marxists can keep them. Does your "compassion" stretch to that, or will you turn out to be a NIMBY when they're dumped at your house?
I don't know how many follow history but we are already the equivalent of a Polish Ghetto from WWII, more that come in will make it worse. We free Europe to be shackled 80 years down the line by the very people we helped. Some gratitude the sooner we leave the EU the better, we have enough of the other countries dregs of society. Enough is enough close the borders and to hell with Brussels, what are they going to do invade us?
would you believe it , in one of the photos they have got satllite dishes and i cant afford it so maybe they are better off staying there,[please]
Only an English parliament will work in the English interest - when will the English WAKE UP?
Time to get ot of Europe NOW!! The rules must change that you cannot enter the country unless you have work to come to and enough money to keep you. They should not get benefits as they haven't paid in - we have enough scroungers of our own thanks. I made three working trips to an orphanage in Bucharest in the early nineties and it looks as though things have not changed there and it is as deprived as ever. This country will be a tip.
As much as I dislike Nigel Farage, I think his UKIP party will get my vote next time.
Sorry but however many are supposed to be coming over here we have our own homeless we really can't manage any more, I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative, and I've use a small 'c' on purpose because I wonder now. I was brought up listening to my mother saying she would never vote labour because of soup kitchens and surely our food banks are the equivalent of that. While we have the banks turfing people out of their homes and making them homeless because of lost jobs we CAN NOT have any more immigrants here.
October 2009: Andrew Neather, a former Labour party speechwriter - The Government had encouraged immigration ¿to rub the Right¿s nose in diversity¿. i.e. This was a deliberate act of political spite on the part of Labour. Perhaps we should have a whip round, buy the house next to Blair in Connaught Square and let it to 100 Bulgarians and Romanians! to return the favour. See how he likes it then.
Sorry but however many are supposed to be coming over here we have our own homeless we really can't manage any more, I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative, and I've use a small 'c' on purpose because I wonder now. I was brought up listening to my mother saying she would never vote labour because of soup kitchens and surely our food banks are the equivalent of that. While we have the banks turfing people out of their homes and making them homeless because of lost jobs we CAN NOT have any more immigrants here.
May God have mercy on your souls Labour Politicians and supporters. This is something you cannot blame on the other parties. This is down to you. This I will remember on Election night!
I am hoping to save as much money as possible so that I can leave the UK. I see nothing but pain, upheaval to a breaking point and then many more riots to come. If we had a vote to get out of europe tomorrow the people of this country would vote to be out without question. The last hope is UKIP but even then thats a very long shot. This country is doomed...
Is this story still go, I think DM is doing a statisical significance experience on how stupid their readers are, and trying to guage the standard deviation of those who do not fall for utter banal bile. This is just in prepation for what they will report in the new year LOL
The whole idea of open borders between European countries is freedom of movement so in theory thousands of English people can move to Romania and find work or if they can't claim benefits........oh hang on I can't see that happening .....we are in desperate need of a massive rethink and politicians who have the guts to stand up to the monster that is the socialist EU...
To all those leaving "time to leave the UK" type comments, yes please DO leave. This country needs fewer up-tight types who love to complain (but take little action), and can't see a scaremongering, poorly written article for what it is. Millions of Romanian gypsies will not be moving here.
Even you think so many people come into the country? Be serious! Even you who do not believe you wrote this article. Would mean that the south-eastern Europe to disappear completely! The British have a different kind of humor, really! Happy holidays!
Time for a referendum on EU membership!!
As each day goes by I thank God I decided not to have children...................................Even 60 years ago I could see this coming.
We will get our referendum but only after we are swamped to the gunwales with europeans who will outvote us! That's the reason for the political prevarication!
Now DM are you seriously suggesting the entire population of these countries are planning to come here? Only the gullible will believe this nonsense.
this is my country and im British and PROUD now GET OUT!!!!!
Put your hipocrisy behind and face the reality!The first step is to make the difference between gypsies and romanians!Dont be afraid...there are only 3millions gypsies in Romania and Great Britain is....great:)
The gipsies have no jobs because ordinary Bulgarians do not like or trust us,¿ explains Bobby George. Sorry to break it you Mr George but the average Brit does not like or want you either and do not want you in our country. Is it not time instead of these immigrants running off to the Western Countries just stay in their own land and build it up like we did through hard work creating laws so things was done properly. I spoke to one of my relatives the other day who wrote about the mass immigration that was destroying our area and that crime was becoming out of control and beggers harrasing locals, my cousin wrote to David Cameron after he became Tory leader Cameron's response was that he beleives in 'Globalisation' but has never lived with it in Uxbridge. The tories signed their own death-warrant electing him as leader as its 'cool' to be liberal & rival Blair, but they showed they are out f touch as Britain hated Blair for taking us to war.
Going to hell in hand cart, and supported by almost ALL of our politicians. The time for revolution beckons methinks.....
At least they look cheerful.
I can't understand the law as it stands and applied (or not in this case). My Mother lives in Spain, has no entitlement to anything from their system, had to prove she had enough money to live on, had somewhere to live, has to pay for an Interpreter if needed (her Spanish is good, but hazy on the technicalities of legal/medical forms), has to have Health Insurance and the list goes on. Saying that she is no longer entitled to anything when visiting the UK except A+E after paying into our system for over 40 years and taking nothing out of it except Child benefit 30 years ago. Doesn't Spain have the same free movement rules as us, that give away everything to those that have never paid into their system ? OR are our politicians just too limp-wristed to enforce rigidly the rules already in place that stop this madness? But then again getting rid of lots of Border Agency staff doesn't help when this possible invasion is coming does it. We are being fitted up under the guise of HR law.
Merry Christmas and goodwill to all men, terms and conditions apply.
i wonder if mr cameron read peoples coments are are taking notice
Welcome to parasites paradise.
++++++++++++++UKIP WANT MORE IMMIGRANTS FOR CHEAP LABOUR. THEY HAVE THEIR LOBBYISTS TO PLEASE.+++++++++++++++++++
Other EU countries can't afford benefits for their own people. In Spain their own people stop getting unemployment benefit after six months, and then nothing. Spain's economy looks explosive, worse than Greece and higher population, and they can't devalue their currency because they are part of the Euro, so maybe the EU will self-destruct before a year.
Only about half of them will head for the U.K. for benefits and easy pickings! That's about 15 million then! Of course, income tax will have to rise to 80p in the pound for folk here who work for a living. Can't turn them away, human rights!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 ++++++++++++++ Your "compassion" for them means misery and hardship for millions of others. You need to take a flying leap..............
That's the problem with our country, we're not protesting this... The majority of us are sat at home behind our computers/tv's saying ''Oh I don't like this'', and that solves NOTHING, Why don't we take action! No wonder our country is going to the dogs. Romanian invasion of Britain is imminent.
What the hell; great british people fought 2 world wars to prevent the UK being controlled by Europe (Germany) and now we hand everything this country stands for to the EU. I have voted and will continue to vote UKIP - wake up people. I hardly recognise this country any more........
God help us!
If dogs were shown living in horrendous conditions there would be an outpouring of sympathy and offers of help, but fellow members of mankind living in poor conditions are largely met with hostility? We are the most disgusting species on the planet.
Nothing is happening that isn't an EU plan approved by our own government. Britain is a prime EU target for dismantling and rebuilding as an EU subject - we are far too free spirited and independant minded for their liking. Why the same isn't the case for Germany and France one can only suspect!
They should should turn the House of Commons and Buckingham Palace into apartments to house them.
Lorenzo, I know nothing about Bulgaria, so why are we seeing all these pictures of Gypsies living in slums and crying that everybody hates them?
Well its no shock , we should be used to it by now. Lets just work hard to pay taxes so the benefits can be given away to none contributors .
Carry on like this and this ONCE great country of OURS will be having a revolution. This is NOT scaremongering it is a fact. I will never vote for the socialist or tory party ever again, because they seem to have a plan to destabilize this country. Of course the ruling classes will not be affected, they can soon decamp with their wealth to some sensible place in the world.
tell then to stay home why should we starve and go without so they can take what they haven't paid in for
Can't really blame them for trying to escape that place, but I fear my taxes will be paying for their new lifestyle here.
So the British taxpayers who have paid all there lives into the system will have to suffer more CUTS so these people can come into the country and claim benefits straight away without paying a penny into the system,when is any government going to look after its own citizens.ITS TIME TO MAKE A STAND VOTE UKIP.
UKIP ARE NOT RACISTS, THEY ARE REALISTS. It is irresponsible madness to open our borders to millions from poor EU countries, benefits included, and the burden of paying for it all fall on the UK tax payers. Meanwhile pro EU Cameron and Co will carry on regardless. As long as Cameron's family keep receiving millions each year in EU land subsides, courtesy of the UK tax payers, and the other land owning politicos are receiving vast sums (like Heseltine who gets £900,000), plus those top unelected EU 'jobs for the boys' awaiting them, they really don't give a damn what happens to the rest of us. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP WHO DO, AND HELP PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits.' At least this prospect will make Vince Cable's wife happy: as she says, Britain needs people like this because of their skills and, of course, many will be students. Plus, as Labour's Alan Johnston has said in the past that he's not going to lose any sleep over unlimited immigration; and, in any case, 'we're British and we can cope'. Erm, this new influx will require housing: maybe Mrs Cable, or Alan Johnston could help out either with ideas or a spare room or two?
- Lorenzo Micheletti, sofia, Bulgaria, 24/12/2012 13:11 So you will not mind this lot coming then . There again you haven't got the same benefits , have you .
Get out of the EEC right now !
So the British taxpayers who have paid all there lives into the system will have to suffer more CUTS so these people can come into the country and claim benefits straight away without paying a penny into the system,when is any government going to look after its own citizens.ITS TIME TO MAKE A STAND VOTE UKIP.
half of the countries in the eu never liked the brits but hey go there now and theyl look after you,we dont need to import any more pickpockets,atm card skimmers or lead theft gangs,we dont deport like france or belgium one of blairs and straws parting shots was oh by the way we opened the flood gates for immigrants,traitors the lot of them. for cheap labour lowering the wages sick and tired not an ex pat yet.
Stupidity of these politicians is approaching gargantuan levels
Vote for UKIP as it really is the only sane alternative for this country left. Labour DO want more of the same, the Lib Dems want the same (they are left-wing and likely to merge with Labour) and the Tories are divided and hence have no idea which way to turn.
THE PICTURES SHOWS WHAT THIS ONCE GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND WILL LOOK LIKE IN A FEW YEARS...............
"I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!!- words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20"................I'm inclined to agree wholeheartedly with the views expressed in the massage. However the pedantic side to my nature compels me to point out that the "Great" in Great Britain refers just to the geographical area of the mainland, comprising England, Scotland, and Wales, and not to our status on the world stage.
The Bnp will take us out of Europe.
This actually makes me quite upset that our country is becoming like this, do the government not realise what they are doing?
This lunacy just cannot go on, Just WHEN will this bunch of dimbo's in Parliament realise we're on a suicide course that's ruining this once green and pleasant land. They must realise that when they're pouring their expensive wines in the Commons bar that when the glass is totally full to the brim the rest just overflows, a 3 three year old can understand that for Gods sake!!!, UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP, Let's get them in ASAP
If France and Germany don't take them it's their loss. Bring your horses, dogs and other pets you may have with you, you're ALL WELCOME in the UK. These hardworking people are the ones who'll pay for my giro.
Is there anyway we the Brits can get across to these people that we don't want them here??
Modern Britain has echoes of the novel The Camp Of The Saints, by Jean Raspail. The indigenous people of Britain desperately need to get together, regardless of general political affiliation, and demand that something is done about the way this country is going. No waffle of ifs, or buts, or quotas, or caps, by old wheeze-driven parties. We need to demand it, enforce it, to make sure we retain some kind of future for our people in our own homeland. Only together, as a people, can we put a stop to this madness. Snap out of your petty party affiliations and think of your people and your nation. Let's get something going and turn this country around again, back to how it should be. Both Labour and the coalition Tory/Dem parties have admitted that over 40% of new housing is purely down to the immigration we already suffered in the last decade or so. They know about this Romanian and Bulgarian thing, yet will do nothing about it. We have to rise up and make something happen ourselves.
I was born and raised in Hungary. In all of these Eastern European countries, entering the EU has meant that they lost all their economy to British, French and German interests. Supermarket chains the most obvious example. Government subsidies and tax breaks. Guys, if you want to rape and pillage the Eastern markets, you gotta give something in return.
Another 29,000,000 reasons why the UK should quit the EU - IMMEDIATELY!
It's all been said before. The vast majority of British people do not want any further influx of immigrants into the country. They can plainly see that the country cannot support them, they can plainly see that they do not add any value to the country or the economy and they can plainly see that the only reason immigrants want to come here is because farcical systems we have in place will provide for these people at the expense of the down trodden tax payer. Enough is enough, it is an insult to the intelligence and integrity of Britons and the immediate course of action is to close the borders. If current legislation doesn;t allow it, then change the rulings now. British Government should only answer to it's subjects and not waste time and energy appeasing some meaningless European nonesense that we have been sleep walked into.
that's the trouble they come here with no intention to work because they get so much in benefits,it's a disgrace I work hard and long to get wage at the end of the month,,and these free loaders come to this once great nation an get given a house and giro every week,you see them out everywhere drinking in the city centers at night's to all hours,,how can they afford to do this if there only on benefits
Yes but this time and for the first time put them in middle England the overstretched cities have had more than their share, if that were ever to happen I'm sure a surge in nationalism would ensue.
These articles are very unfair to the number of genuine hard working Eastern Europeans who study hard in their own country and get deployed by the companies they work for to fill posts in Britain. My husband left Romania for a job in Plymouth and was then transferred to Aberdeen. Before he arrived from Romania, he had completed a masters degree and other qualifications that he had paid for himself! People from this country are quite happy to go and holiday in countries like Bulgaria and Romania for cheap holidays for the hot climate and cheap beer or for the snowboarding and ski-ing in winter. These countries are part of the E.U but do not get anywhere near the same privileges as the rest of the E.U members, I'm not saying people should get an automatic entrance to our country if they are unable to provide for themselves but slating nationalities that you think you know something about and actually don't is very short sighted and foolish.
these pictures show tghese people to be in great need of help. Let them all come over here so we can help them to have a better life.
Just about every Briton says something like, 'This must stop NOW.' Yet they continue to vote for traitors who keep letting this happen. It's time to change your vote people.
I recently received my income tax assessment form back as I hadn't completed it correctly, so I was informed. Evidently In question 4 when I was asked; Do I have any one dependent on me? I replied: 2.1 million illegal immigrants 1.1 million drug addicts. 4 million workshy who claim to have a better life on benefits than working, 900.000 criminals plus 650 idiots in parliament and the whole of the EU commission. They said this was not an acceptable answer, so please will somebody tell me who the hell did I miss out?
More votes for UKIP!
Unbelievable. My husband is a British self employed plumber, has worked for 40 years and paid tax and NI but there is no work around at the moment and for the first time in his life he has no money yet he has been told that he is not entiteld to benefits of any kind because he was not employed. So why can these people claim to be self employed and still recieve benefits? Thank goodness I still have a job otherwise we would be destitute but its so unfair that people come to the UK and can claim everything. This is going to be the ruin of the UK and just because it is Christmas doesn't make it acceptable, its unacceptable any time of the year. Why on earth don't the united nations do more so that people can lead meaningful livesin their own country so they don't have to leave
A person walks into a bank and asks for £60. The cashier checks and finds the person does not an account. In fact they have never had an account. "No problem", said the cashier. " I will give you £60 out of our more loyal and frequent savers accounts.They won't mind".
How could successive UK governments let it come to this?
When are we going to get a Government that will say NO to all this. It is no wonder this country is a shambles wake up people as has been said we either need to vote UKIP or stage a rebellion, our country has been used for to long now as a dumping ground for all of Europe. Would rather leave the E.U and have economic sanctions placed on us then have all this dross wash up on our shores. I know you shouldn't paint them all with the same brush but unfortunately this government can't decide who should be let in and who shouldn't , and who is it who ends up paying for this US higher taxes, retirement age going up even further housing problems, more lazy good for nothing bums on the dole when will it all stop.
wherever they are, problems are the same. theft, prostitution, illegal wild camping ... insecurity has rocketed. England and France or Germany can not accommodate all the misery in the world, but what can we do? Will the union european keep on sending money to deter them coming ? What's the point of doing it They will come !! we waste our time. There is no turning back for immigration
Once again the economic illiteracy of the average ukipper tendency shines through. Romania, because of its location, has the potential to become a natural crossroads for commerce between the EU and countries to the East and South. The Roma population only accounts for 3% of the 21,000,000 currently living in Romania. The airport infrastructure is developing and there is great potential for investment in other infrastructure. The former communist countries that have joined the success story that is the EU, and those still wishing to qualify to join, provide potential for stimulating ecomomic growth across the EU. And what do ukippers yearn? To flog undefined 'things' to the few Aussies living on the other side of the world in the hope that will bring about a major sea change in our fortunes in the UK - naive beyond belief.
No no no no no!!!! They have to find employment and have sorted permanent accommodation first to even be allowed entry... Surely??!!!
think we have enough of these in our country already god help us over the next few years!!! there are estates now for polish or whatever it's a disgrace
And this is one of the very strong reasons I will be voting UKip. Paid Tax & Full National Insurance for 40 Years, and still have a reduced O.A.Pension paid. Looking at those pictures - looks as if they have the same cleanliness & hygeine standards as those other scroungers the Irish Travellers.We really have become the dump of Europe. If "Call me Dave" can't or won't stop them - please erect sign posts to Tony B.Liars properties - along with Nick Clegg & other Europhiles - let them camp on their properties.
take a look at these poor peoples surroundings because if you labour voters don't wake up and stop voting for the immigration party that is how Britain is going to look.!! - bobs your uncle , norwich, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 13:09=== god don't be so dramatic mate, Britain will only look like that if we keep being a ruthless capitalist system who only cares for big companies, the rich elite and if we keep bailing out billionaire bankers....then it wont matter if you are an immigrant or British, we will all share the same ghetto in poverty, while the rich will just keep getting richer......
After paying my taxes as a self employed businessman for the past 25 years, I lost my company through the recession. I was told I was entitled to no benefits atall! The previous years I had paid £12k and £13k in tax.Soon we will be invaded by these people and they will have the full support of the welfare state. Well, they can have my space as I will be off to live in France and pay my taxes there!
the only thing that will cure this is another war
The Governments of these countries are going to have it pretty easy if all their fellow country men and women descend on the UK. The EU should come down hard on any country who does not provide employment and proper living conditions for it's people. EU member countries should NOT be allowed to expect countries like the UK, Germany and France to prop them up. Just like the rest of the world EU members should only be allowed to come across if the jobs they do are in shortage here.
if they are reading this - be warned you won't be welcome, the weather is awful, there are no jobs, it is expensive and few people can afford housing. stay where you are, or you will regret it i am english and have always liived so i know what i am talking about. stay where you are
Our Prime Ministers - no matter what political alliance are supposed to RUN our country, not RUIN it.
It is the UK fault giving out benefits to everyone it is NOT the EU I live in Spain and they do NOT get benefits here if a Spanish person is unemployed he only gets 6 mths help to help him find a job Sheila
MUGS, that's what we are; MUGS! A nation of MUGS governed by elected MUGS! And if we continue to allow ourselves to be overrun by benefit scroungers and economic migrants, we will become disenfranchised MUGS, the majority now the miniority. It won't bother me; after working all my life, paying taxes, never claiming benefit in over 50 years, I probably will not be alive to see it. But my family will; my children and my grandchildren will! Thank you Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Thank you Cameron for not having the guts to take the measures nessary to control our borders. Thank you very much.
Don't worry they will settle in easily in Gipton,Seacroft,Miggy and Burmantofts all sink estates here in Leeds.If they keep their mouths shut no one will notice. I can post this cos thosae estates don't buy newspapers,well they do their fish and chips are wrapped up in them.
Is not Turkey in Line for membership.
Nnoooooooooo please no - our gov is useless
Shut the borders NOW. If this lot get in, we are b*ggered.
Would just like to point out that the Bulgarian population is barely 7 million and the Romanians are about 10 million... surely the two countries haven't pick up their stuff and completely moved in England! Someone would've noticed that a lot sooner. Students, however, from Bulgaria and Romania are barely 10, 000 in this country and only 1/3 of them have a work permit. Another thing that I feel strongly about is showing pictures of the gypsy neighbourhoods in Bulgaria - this does not represent life in Bulgaria! I have travelled there and the cities resemble Sheffield and Newcastle, but in their own unique culture, of course.
I am a Nigerian born British doctor in this country, never been on benefits. I sponsored my brother through a university education costing over £60,000 - all paid upfront by myself, yet he's been refused a post study work visa. He's never been in trouble and nor have I. All he wants to do is to work - legally - in this country. It's obvious that the government want to score points with tighter immigration rules, but they are targetting the wrong people. I hate to sound vindictive, but I really hope these Bulgarians come in and cause problems for the government. I really detest this government now.- Only me, UK, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 7:53>>>> Your vindictive nature further deepens the leeriness of your host country's citizens. If you were truly loyal to the UK, you would seek democratic means by which to approach this issue; you would not wish chaos and further tax burdens on the citizens who have been so kind as to welcome you and your brother.
Freedom of movement rules -The great conflict-of-interest rule
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 1:14 Shame, you actually think you've moved somewhere better - the USA! Yeah right, you sucker you've fallen for the bright lights and big cicy fallacy. Have you read the story about homeless prostitutes in the US? Did you see the Sandy Hook shootings? Do you agree with capital punishment despite the fact that the US justice system is corrupt and you can be framed by the police? Hope you never need any help 'cos you won't get it over there. I'd rather go anywhere, than the US!
Who the hell wants your foggy state? Germany and Austria will always be centuries to come! Be calm and Merry Christmas!
dont forget turkey, their time will come and i dont mean the bird
have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 Thats fine Mr Marxist , but we do not have a mount with bread and fish for all .
I hope they bring their horses too, at least our country may become more environmentally friendly and safer.
great cant wait.....not
This country is being invaded without fighting a war against it. We have a supine, apathetic, unpatriotic government. There will eventually be a civil war in order to repel and expel the invaders in order to try to reclaim what was once Great Britain. UKIP seems to be our last hope.
Cameron´s´hands are tied, the British Government needs to prevail EU law, so as long as Great Britain is part of the EU, foreigners will come pouring in, and there is not much the PM can do about it...
I am Romanian and Roma people (gypsies) does not represent my country. We and Bulgarians stood invaders so that you get rich in history. And this is how you treat us? Like we are all beggars and criminals? We are normal people. And gypsies....this is another story.
he only reason I am still in the UK is that I have tried and failed to sell my house. My ideal is a little sunny island in the Med where they don't hand out benefits like confetti and therefore do not have this problem of mass migration - only those who can support themselves. It will be back on the market come March and once sold I'm off never to return. Said it before & will say it again , this country is finished. If you have kids get them to learn Chinese or Spanish, buy them a one way ticket out of here. We will never get a pro-British government in the UK which is stricken with the cancer of PC. - TDLeeds , Leeds===== once you move to that little island don't forget you will be an immigrant yourself, lets just hope you speak their lingo fluently and integrate within the culture and naturally help their economy, otherwise you will just be like the people you criticise that comes over here......
This had made me physically sick VOTE UKIP
Voting is no use. It will all have happened anyway by the time the election comes round. Put up and shut up or start campaigning now to put a stop to this nonsense. Or emigrate.
Well I wish them luck & hope that they find what they're looking for in my country because I'm still looking & I'm nearly 50!
Yet another good reason not to come back to Britain, but still paying my UK tax of course which I have done for the past 54 years. I therefore will not be asking for benefits,dole money, job seekers allowance, sheltered accommodation, NH services,or a free bus pass etc etc. So this will, in some small way, help a gipsy to settle in to a new and easy lifestyle. Who voted for these countries to join in the first place ? When we have zero unemployment then open the gates...until then keep them firmly shut. Blair and his cohorts have a lot to answer for. How many other EU countries will be preparing for a gipsy influx I wonder ? None I suspect.
THIS BUS IS FULL EVEN WITH STANDING ROOM .?
People saying that they "hate this country" - you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves. You are so lucky. The majority of people in this world have absolutely nothing and they are oppressed, ignored and even killed by their governments. And in other parts of the world, the state merely leaves their people to starve to death, riddled by disease. And in other parts, women are forced to marry their rapists. And all you worry about is a bunch of Bulgarians coming over?
Give us our right to a referendum. Personally only ukip will give us that
Surely benefits could be only allowed to people who have lived here for x number of years? other countries are not this generous to immigrants so why should we be?!
Hahahaha...wait a minute, let me breathe. Oh dear, seriously? Talk about scare-mongering. Nowhere near 29 million Romanians/Bulgarians will arrive in the next year. Now you're just totally trolling the brain dead DM reading, UKIP voters.
This is the deliberate destruction of a Sovereign Nation.
Brit - absolutely shocking! Government should be ASHAMED!!!! - KittySoftPaws , Newcastle, 24/12 you can trust our government to do everything in its power to make sure your human rights are well looked after. - Slowho , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 24/12 So many ordinary people who see the "self employed" selling a magazine on the streets, then claim benefits to maintain their low incomes. Remember how the bean coun terstold us how Poland would not affect our population. Look what happened. We know that only a small % of the poor in Romania & Bulgaria will travel to UK & take up residence, unable to speak our language & with no assets they consider they will be entitled to the same benefits as those of their people who are already here, most illegally (until 2914) The article, poorly written is a warning though. Time to ask your MP to get Dave to do something. so what you going to do about this dave - forgettingoutoftheEU, Hull, United Kingdom, 24/12/201
We need these Eastern Europeans like a drowning man needs a bullet in the head. We are struggling now, almost like no other time in our history, fifteen years of a stupid and gormless Labour government, allow2ing in immigrants by the million - most not intent on working but getting on the benefit bandwagon. We have had our coffers emptied by profligate wasters, If our politicians don't put a gig fat stop to this madness there will be riots undreamed of once the squeeze hurts EVERYONE, not just the poor. There will be wholesale bankruptcies, and great shortages of food and bare essentials. Make no mistake, the word got about years ago about the money that flows around the UK, the East Europeans in particular want to come here urgently, not with skills but with eager hands.
I can't believe the children wear slippers to play football in... grow up Bulgaria.
.......But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ ......May I suggest that the day has already come - if we have any more, we'll sink into the sea! WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE EU - IT IS KILLING US!
To everyone in the UK & Rep of Ireland. You are finished if you let these people in. It proves these Eurocrates & government ministers are "not the full shilling" to have allowed this matter to get this far.
Appalling article, full of inaccuracies, as many comments pointed out already. Romas have lived here alongside ethnic bulgarians and ethnic turks for centuries. and now, all of a sudden, they are set to invade the UK? Put your thought together Mail: this piece looks like it was commissioned by someone made terribly nervous by the growing number of enraged UK taxpayers moving to BG and elsewhere to escape what has become an over-crowded, over-taxing and freaking expensive place to live. Just face it: Bulgaria is a beautiful, peaceful, cost-effective and tax-efficient destination for businesses to expand and families to relocate.
We should no be allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry into this country. For a start benefits are being cut in real terms, there is no enough jobs around and our infrastructure can not cope without major upgrades at a time when money is not around that not possible. People who come here should not expect free housing, benefits without at least first providing means of supporting themselves many other countries do this
It all seems simple enough, if the pathetically weak and moribund Government can allow any of these scum to settle in the UK they should impose an agreement which allows the UK to send its human low life to Bulgaria. Lets be honest abject human dross are the same the whole world over.
The government is to blame whichever one is in power they are too yellow livered to stand up to the EU, we need a government with a set of balls, or get out the EU and stop these scroungers from other countries from coming here to live on benefits because there are no jobs for them and they don't respect our laws when they come here
I hate to tell them but that day when we're full and can't afford to pay anymore benefits has long past! Cameron is just too spineless to close the borders!
Another Daily Mail rant about immigrants.It puts you on par with the Telegraph scaremongering about the weather.
I recently received my income tax assessment form back as I hadn't completed it correctly, so I was informed. Evidently In question 4 when I was asked; Do I have any one dependent on me? I replied: 2.1 million illegal immigrants 90.000 Chavs who watch Jeremy Kyle. 1.1 million drug addicts. 4 million workshy who claim to have a better life on benefits than working, 900.000 criminals plus 650 idiots in parliament and the whole of the EU commission. They said this was not an acceptable answer, so please will somebody tell me who the hell did I miss out?
This article is ridiculous... Before you start to talking, do some research.. Bulgaria is 6 million nationwide and Romania is 19 million... That makes a total of 25 million people, NOT 29... And do you really believe that your country is so attractive that everyone will immediately forget their lives and just leave? Come on, you shouldn't be that brainwashed. YES, there are poor areas in Bulgaria and YES lots of the stuff written about gypsies is true, but these are just a few neighbourhoods in Sofia and all of you know that every city has ghettos! - lord_aggo , Sofia, Bulgaria And how many of Britain's indigenous poor decamp to Bulgaria and Romania to get free housing and benefits? Surely we all have reciprocal rights in our wonderful, equality driven and open EU?
take a look at these poor peoples surroundings because if you labour voters don't wake up and stop voting for the immigration party that is how Britain is going to look.!!
If this so-called EU machine is working so well and fairly, why aren't these countries getting the funds to fix their own problems instead of importing them here? All this will do is leave a collection of destroyed countries in its wake? Once prosperous, the UK will either have to close its doors and refuse all entry or succumb to the rot which is the EU meddling. We are doomed.....
Looks better than that dump called Luton or other UK backstreets! Pity the DM only showed the horrible and poor parts of the country because there is another side to the medal too. England has always boasted about being the "cradle of democracy" You've made your bed so lie in it!
tailam , brighton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 12:22...you took the words right out of my mouth.
Maybe the benefit system should change , benefits should not be readily available if we choose to emigrate we have to have sufficient money to support ourselves otherwise you are not allowed in the country. I do think Cameron should stop giving golden handshakes or should it be called "The Bribery Handshake" Mr Cameron naughty naughty!!!!
How much longer will our spineless poiticians pander to the dictates of the EU? The UK size, infrastructure and economy.....job market, housing, NHS service, benefits system, judicial system etc etc can no longer cope with the ever increasing immigration from every corner of Europe (and beyond). It doesn't happen anywhere else on such a scale, so why here? It isn't the weather, that's for sure! No, it is quite simply the case that the UK has long been recognized as a soft-touch and enough is enough The time has come for our parliament to stand up for us and if this means detaching ourselves from the EU, then so much the better!
So we want to cut benefits so what do we do we cut disabled benefits I am blind and they have told me I will have to go to the job centre or we can stop the mass influx of people who can't speak english and have no chance of a job , so what do you think we should do ?
29 Million and the Government are ignoring it, how can that be. If they are so intent on coming here then surely there is an argument for paying them to stay away.
"I must have told the DM over a million times to stop exaggerating! - Tom Sharp, Manchester" - Were they exaggerating about the millions already here, no. You Guardian readers have a lot to answer for!
Why my Dad and thousands like him fought for this country is now a mockery. What was the point of it all when the country is just a means to finance this sort of thing and our hospitality abused.
They only wan't to come into our country because of benefits not because they like it otherwise they would go to better country's get the sun all year rounf
if this eu bull crap continues. I can see a rise of a new British Hitler. and you no what from this goverment I would vote for him. I would back him and fight too get Britain back for the British people. too Any eu mp reading this Britain is not the unemployed area for the eu, we can and will take action to stop this. this puppet goverment will not last.
If immigrants are so keen to come to the UK because of the benefits then maybe they should be stopped for those not indigenous? The EU can't complain because presumably other EU countries are not so generous. If they were then immigrants would be heading for those countries as well rather than specifically targeting the UK. It won't happen, though.
SS Great Britain is sinking, time to charge the Lib-Lab-Con with treason
"But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens" IT ALREADY IS! STOP LEECHING OFF THE BRITISH (and I mean BRITISH not 'British') PEOPLE!
xenophobic propaganda. Merry Christmas!
just reading a few of these comments shows me that we can't get past the blame game. labour blame cons, cons blame libs, libs blame lab.The truth is quite plain, They are all too blame, they have all had a chance too change this mess, and all they have done is make it worse.But worse than that they have done it without the consent of the electorate. something that the two main parties have said they would not do. Unless the electorate get their act together, and dump the lot, and start from scratch, we most certianly will be, "ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" AND I DON'T MEAN THE E.U.unless you have enough money to buy your way to a free country.
INSANITY, PLEASE JOIN UKIP
We have to stop this NOW, and the only party with the sense to do it is UKIP.
He says "But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens" Well Boris, we are already full up! We are having to build more and more houses on our green and pleasant land to accomodate not us Brits, but the predicted number of immigrants, Just how will they benefit this wonderful country? They are going to give us nothing and take anything that we give them. I never thought I would say this but I'm voting UKIP from now on. We follow Europe's rules so why doesn't the rest of Europe? Why do these people only want to come to Britain? Because of our Benefit system, which bends over backwards to help them, but if I was to lose my job I would have to jump through so many hoops to get anything. This has got to stop!!!
most of the whining people in this country are the ones claiming benefit themselves. Is it that wrong for anyone wanting a better life for themselves and their children?
I wish DM would do some research before writing ridiculous comments as they will be able to come over and get handouts etc! I work in the housing/support work sector and I know that individuals from A8 countries such as Romania are UNABLE to get ANY benefits, housing, health care etc UNLESS they are working! IF they do not work, they are not entitled and can only get help if they are. If they stop, it is all stopped. So please research appropriately before spouting such rubbish!
and why they will allegedly flock to Britain, passing through the rest of Europe on their way.......it's because they will get everything paid for and more...........the rest of Europe is not so stupid and has better controls in place!!!
This is lunacy. Britain is a tiny Island. We are not the size of Australia, the USA or Canada. Where are they going to be living when we do not have enough homes for Brits and we have high unemployment?
They should stay in their own country Britain is bad enough now ! I cannot call this great Britain any more ! The thing that annoys is they come over here and get a better houses than me ! And they are probably are not working The country is already over populated we do not need more people coming to the UK I do not these people as long as they are nice and working then I do not mind but the thing is the country is just going to get crowed if these people are allowed in
I do feel sorry for the poor Romanian people, but why do we seem to be the only county that takes them in and gives them handouts? I work full time and have to pay my mortgage and everything else myself. I want to move house, but unsure if I'll be able to afford to. Even if the immigrants are coming here to work, understandable, there are still millions of British people struggling to find a job. If nothing is done about this, our once great country could end up like Romania is now, with the British people flocking to other European countries for a better way of life. I for one am only voting UKIP in future.
You cannot argue with Democracy. The vast majority support the the main parties & their immigration policies, which are all the same. I did not vote for any of the three main parties in the last four elections because I do not agree with such mass immigration.
I do hate the xenophobia of the DM.
NO THEY DON'T. To live in the UK they have to prove they can support themselves and have private health insurance. British get refused residence in Cyprus who can't prove both. That is EU Law, but you don't use it.
The EU is ran by complete evil idiots, they wanna increase membership to these poor countries - so that they can move manufacturing jobs there, instead of helping China and India to boost their economies and job markets... which is fair enough; because they are global rivals. But why would someone in Romania wanna work below the minimum wage in the UK or Germany? when they could work for a minimum wage and also claim benefits. Anyway what's gonna happen is.. all these countries in the EU are gonna find excuses to drop the Human Rights laws and then they're gonna go for the minimum wage because the job markets are expensive and over-competitive.
After Income tax, council tax, VAT ect, David Cameron must spend at least £0.75p of every £1.00 I earn on scroungers, how much will my tax burden increase when this tide of filth arrives on our shores!
Another Daily Mail rant about immigration .It puts you on par with the Telegraphs scaremongering about the weather.
It says a lot when their own country mistrusts them, when bus and rubbish collectors are too afraid to enter a town. What a disaster this is going to be. How many more hard working people are going to come home from work and find that their home has been illegally inhabited by squatters? Yes, we all would like to help the people that are suffering in this world, but really there is only so much space on an island, and so little money to spread around already. These people are coming to find the pot at the end of the rainbow, but they will find the pot is almost empty, and the rain is never ending.
GOOD OLD GB THE DUMPING GROUND OF THE WORLD.
Perhaps it is only an onslaught that will finally make our politicians see sense.
Time to properly to secure our borders, as we are an island just heavily man our ports up,let no one travel here with out prior vetting in their own countrys and no skill's, cash and a job to come to you do not get here, These people are the undesireable's of europe that no first world country wants or needs
The answer is if they turn up then refuse them any services at all. If the eu objects then tell them that we r only doing what people in Germany do. That is the reason people head straight for GB. Ca WTO had a big mouth before he was PM but what is he doing now . NOTHING.
If this annoys you, then send an email to the EU, Go on their website and use your human right form. Take a look at your rights. The EU is supposed to be there to help you, why are they hindering your country, your livilhood and your right to live in a free world. this is the only we can stop them, use their own words against them. The more we do this the more they will listen!!!!! THAT OR SIT AND TAKE IT!!!!!!!
All, and I mean ALL types of benefits to non-UK citizens should be stopped immediately, this is the only way to control this madness ... And, of course, we need to get out of EU right now!
Of course you feel sorry for honest hard working people who want a better life but the U.K government needs first of all to address the shameful matter of the thousands of elderly people in Britain who live on a meagre pension and are dying from hypothermia each winter because they cant afford to turn their heating on and what about the problems with an already overstretched NHS, Benefit cheats, the overcrowded cities, need I go on.......
NO - they should not be allowed to have any benefits or housing and all should be for those that are born here and paid UK taxes. Only until been here 10 years and made a valuable contribution should be considered for it. They will get everything I guess - thanks MPS! We'll have more waiting time for NHS etc also lots of illnesses that were almost eradicated here TB etc will be back it is growing already. If France and others can deny them access why on earth can't we?? We are a tiny island we will sink soon - stay where you are and make things better there it is NOT a Golden Paradise for everyone!
Felt compelled to create an account just to comment on this, I feel physically sick at the prospect of britain in 5 and 10 years time. I dont understand what is so wrong and seemingly difficult to keep them out and use OUR resources and taxes to support BRITISH people.
If the Tories can get us out of Europe like they've "half promised to do" then make it so before the next election and before this lot come steaming in. Otherwise vote UKIP at all opportunities to get the ball rolling. The Croatians are also joining in soon so that'll e evn more on the way.
Anybody born between 1930 and 1946 or a bit later early 50's be thankful your on the way out and not on the Way In !!
just STOP them at the point of entry and send them back
Bulgarians need love too you know! Give them a chance before you hound them out!!
what !!! where are they gonna live, or should I say where are the British going to live????
I must have told the DM over a million times to stop exaggerating!
Yet more ethnic and cultural diluting of the British people by our so called "government" and their mates in the EU. Their is only one way to put a stop to all of this, vote UKIP.
THis is so funny. Half of you on here saying UKIP, UKIP UKIP, yet when it actually comes to vote you don't vote UKIP. Why didn't you vote 2 years ago? I actually pay £20 per month to UKIP even though I am not well off. I actually vote UKIP, I don't say it on a blog then go and not vote or vote Tory. I actually canvass my neighbours I read their policies on their web site. Most of you just spout UKIP UKIP UKIP. If you really, I mean really intend to do something about 29m coming here, then have the decency to actually do something.
Well I got my family out of that cesspit 6 years ago so it doesn't affect me any more. I just feel so sad for what was once a great country and for the people that have no choice but to stick it out. - Emma, Iceland, Iceland, 24/12/2012 12:22 ~~~~~ Crikey I've been to Iceland and apologies, but it's not my first choice to call home !
Save us Nigel
I am a Nigerian born British doctor in this country, never been on benefits. I sponsored my brother through a university education costing over £60,000 - all paid upfront by myself, yet he's been refused a post study work visa. He's never been in trouble and nor have I. All he wants to do is to work - legally - in this country. It's obvious that the government want to score points with tighter immigration rules, but they are targetting the wrong people. I hate to sound vindictive, but I really hope these Bulgarians come in and cause problems for the government. I really detest this government now.
Oh my God that has just ruined my Xmas never mind just let them all in and let Dave have a few in number 10 I expect they have a few spare beds , to be honest what is going to really Happen?
And to think that there was a time when someone I know , who had a fantastic job,a large bank account, an education and was willing to pay taxes , was turned away from living in the UK .. Now anything is welcome.
At what point will our government say enough! We are overcrowded NOW, there is a shortage of jobs and housing, the benefit system and NHS is being stretched to the limit making the sick and needy suffer, no local school places yet they are still allowing masses in this small Counrty and giving billions of aid to other Countries. This has to stop.
Stories of the poor conditions in these countries make me sick. Britain did something about poor conditions in the Victorian age. They built a proper infrastructure. It seems that this exists in Bulgaria - but the Gypsies cause problems due to their behaviours. We see in in Derby. Such people do not use the refuse disposal services that are provided - they just dump rubbish everywhere. They do not engage with our society - they merely scrounge and wreck. Politicians who say that immigration enriches our society should not be voted for.
We're like a wounded carcase being devoured by the vultures off Europe. And why not. Big Business and the political ellite have being doing it for years!!
GOD HELP US ALL!!:
UKIP, UKIP, UKIP, UKIP, UKIP,...It is our only salvation!
It might be simpler if WE all move to Romania. Happy bloody Xmas especially to those politicians of all 'mainstream' parties that love the idea of unchecked immigration. I'm sure they'll all invite immigrants in to their homes for Xmas won't they? Oh dear... a pig just flew in to my chimney breast!
There is nothing racist about being genuinely concerned that the already overstretched resourses - such as health and education - are to be further diluted for those of us who have spent years working hard and paying for the services that all too often appear to be more geared up to accommodate the needs of anybody but the hard working people of Britain. For God's sake, please somebody in power wake up and defend this nation from these further damaging invasions.
"Bobby George is proof that many immigrants want to strive hard and provide for their families." Many many do not and have no intention of doing so!
Will the Romanian and Bulgarian gypsies take the resources we provide from our own gipsies and traveller populations? Will they take their staying places? We only have limited places for our own gipsy people to have a place to stay. The Councils will be tearing their hair out if they have to find thousands of UK pitches for this additional travelling population.
shut up moaning-you voted for it.
If you are in a low skill factory type work be worried very worried your wages will come down, there is places in East Midlands that hire mostly Eastern Europeans for low wages and horrible working environment, I agree a job is a job but we will see wages go down. Welfare laws must be tighten there must be a minimum working period before you are able to collect any social welfare, I believe Canada does this. Lastly housing, supply and demand since there is currently a housing crisis, rents will go up, Even if the UK decided to get out of the EU it would not be enough time to shut down the borders,
I bet the British Government cant wait to bring these people to Britain. After all The British establishment have allowed the whole world to come here.
Another reason why |I moved my family to Canada, country twice thesize, half the population but rules, cannot get into the country just because, you are not provided a roof over your head just beacuae, not provided health insurance just because, not given benefits of any kind just because, the UK is going to rack and ruin and there are less Brits than foreingers, very sad.
Your country is what the people make it. Sadly though British people are let this country head towards utter doom..
Cameron unless you want a vote of no confidence very very soon you had better shut the door now we cannot take more garbage like this - this country infrastructure is in tatters and civil unrest is just below the surface you have been warned give us the referendum now so we can get out of the EU once and for all.
70 million Turks have their bags packed and are waiting for a wink from Mr Camoron. This is a Tory dream come true.
They are already here, no one needs permission any more our border forces are a national joke!
You know they are going to flood here. Who wouldn't knowing that a free house and benefits are waiting. Problem is none of our three main partities are going to do any thing about it. Cameron even wants Turkey with a population of 70 million and growing in the EU. With its poverty and open back door open to the Middles East, Asia and Africa, you can expect another wave once Turkey gains access. Unless someone gets a grip with this countries open door immigration, we are doomed to Third World poverty levels and social unrest. This madness just can't go on for ever.
I'm afraid our government will do nothing about any of this. They are spineless and blind to see what a mess the country is becoming. We hand out far too much money to the lazy good for nothing people who were born here so why the hell do we need more from every other corner of the globe. I deal with immigration in my job and foreigners have more rights than the people born here who are working hard and trying to make a living. As someone has already said on here having an opinion that opposes allowing the whole world to come to the UK for a free ride is seen as racist but that couldn't be further from the truth. I will be voting UKIP from now on and I suggest anyone who wants to stop this does the same.
This government should be had up for treason against its own people - the British, the only ones without Human Rights !
@ Defender of the weak, Marxist : I've lived near Roma Gypsy settlements ... If they come anywhere near here - I'm out! There is a reason why local bus drivers don't go there, there's a reason why no taxi driver would go there ... perhaps you should go an
Maybe it's time to get out of the EU and take control of your own Immigration instead of having it legislated for you. I thought it was bad here in Canada.
If only they work no money should be given out. If they not employed and put back in system.
if we can give them a better standard of living and they can find work here and benefit society, why complain? peoples have always migrated, we should be more sharing and inclusive, you are all being xenophobic and small minded
Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave right now
LAST WORD, dont forget your sleeping bags there must still be a few bridges with space underneath.
I feel desperately sorry for any families living in such poverty BUT this is the responsibility of the Bulgarian authorities, not us. We have families in the UK living on the bread line and children in poverty. Our responsibility is at home. It's time to shut the borders and concentrate on getting our own house in order. Benefits should be for the benefit of the needy in the UK not foreigners. If we went to live abroad you can bet that we wouldn't get help from a foreign government.
we do not want them in this country claiming benifits housing etc. something has to be done. about time us the english started to stand up to the powers that be... they cannot cook a rice pudding.......we are overloaded now. and this little island is sinking....they should have no rights what so ever to our welfare and benifits system. as for housing put em in tents in the forest. just perhaps they would go back to their own country. as an english person enough is enough.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c, Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02---------------->>>>>>Did you mean Nigel Farage? Nigel Farrell passed away in 2011.
Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave right now
Yeah, I bet you damn well ain't....
thinking of buying a property in Bulgaria to redress the problem !
Get yourselves over we have loads of money to give to the likes of you lot.The millionaire tories who run the country will give you what you want...They wont look after our own people but...If you carnt get it off the benefits system iam sure they will give you something from their own wealth.ha ha..
It doesn't matter what their orientation might be, irresponsible, amateurish governments allowed this country to become horribly overcrowded many years ago. MPs should remember that apart from awarding themselves fat pay packets and excluding themselves from prosecution in blatantly illegal circumstances ... they are our elected representatives and there solely to reflect and carry out the wishes of the bulk of the electorate. Politicians: whatever your political stance may be; stop fudging, get on with it and remember: before too long you'll be seeking our vote so you can keep your place by the trough of plenty.
Enough is enough, other countries don't let them in so why do we?? This country is a joke. Send them packing!
The UK is just a piece of real estate now with a diminishing indigenous population. As everyone from everywhere comes to the UK, so those who can afford it are moving out elsewehere...
I am a supporter of the EU and the demands for exit from europe is not the way forward. It will be more damaging to us. Exit would be like cuting the arm off when the problem is only the finger. There are other more efective ways of dealing with this by seting conditons for entry of these migrants..or in some cases enforcing the conditions for the freedom of movment that are already in place....like having to work and pay tax and NI for a year before any claim could be made.., selfemployed must show an income avove 22000 a year and paid contributions. Failure to do so revokes their freedom of movment....but no exit for the UK...the EU brings many more benifits for us than is generally reported...It really isnt as bad as the british press would like us to belive. Play the EU game like the other UU nations..say like Italy or spain .they dont give as generous benifits so why dont we copy....
Like the flooding happening, we'll soon be saturated. That's when the establishment will decide to do something - when it's too late.
I just don't know what to say anymore about this carnage other than vote UKIP and get us out of Europe. Although I suspect that come the next general election the damage will already be done. People will be rioting again and with good reason. Britain is no longer great and Labour was the architect of this huge mess.
After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist,.......Finish the sentence, it says "Love your neighbour as yourself". We need to love ourselves first. We are a tiny island, there aren't enough jobs or houses for those already here. We don't have full employment. Charity begins at home, that's a biblical concept. It would be kinder to help these people build a civilisation like ours in their country, though why can't they can't do it themselves? Jesus said take the plank out of your own eye before you remove sawdust from others. That principle means we should be ensuring we are in a strong position ourselves before we can even begin to help others, otherwise they will turn our lands into what they have left behind. We need to look after the poor and the sick already here, we just haven't got the infrastructure to feed and house the whole world
When they can come to England - it's going to be hell. They are a scum and I have never seen one Roma person trying to work. If you have no food, why do you make six kids for them to sleep on the floor? England is screwed. Not just England, the entire Europe is
Even if EVERYONE votes UKIP next time, they won't be able to undo all the damage that's been done to this country! It's TOO LATE.
Would other countries, like France or Italy put up with this..NO CHANCE IN HELL..Our MP's have no backbone, as long as they have jobs and a cushy life, who cares about us hard-working brits??
It becomes clear that DC welcomes being a one term wonder
it's time to do something, enough is enough. UKIP here I come.
I lived in poverty in the uk whilst finishing my degree, with my daughters cot pushed up to the bed. In a dingy 1 bed flat with damp. Not a penny from the government and paying tax. Now me n my partner pay so much tax to help sponges. We can't afford to buy a house because bills rent n tax is crippling. Medical care is rubbish! My little one has had a perforated ear drum for a week n docs have refused to see us!!! Wer can I move? Any recommendations? Time to pull out this dump
Other side is always green.
Pathetic article aimed at mobilising the ignorant, sowing fear and hatred. Pure propaganda
Well as Romanian i admit this would not be in your benefit. But, as usual, regular people notice wrong things around only when the sh** hits the fan... While governments don't care or do much (either yours or ours) and the rich people are getting richer, is the people who suffer. We are in EU for some years, but all we see is our businesses closing due to EU regulations, all industry bought by "civilized" world corporations, so basically we have nothing left. Add to that corrupt politicians (they exist everywhere, we've invented nothing) and we are just another market for your products.Prices are going up on all things, to match those of your countries. Minimum payment you get here (and a lot of people get that) is less than 200 pounds. I understand why you don't want more people there, but i understand why they want to be there. Everybody wants a better life, but seems that nobody is gonna get it, if things go this way. Merry Christmas to all (while you can enjoy it) !
IF THE EU SAY WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR BORDERS THEN LET THEM PAY THE BENEFITS THEY CLAIM
The problem is NOT the right of free movement - they could go anywhere across Europe. All the EU rules say is that they must be treated the same as our own nationals. The reason they come here is because the UK is stupid enough to pay benefits to people who have never worked or paid in for them. That is simply not the case in other EU countries. Unemploymant benefit is strictly for those who have lost a job, and not for those who have never worked. And it is only paid for a limited time, to enable the recipient to find another job, not forever. Any benefits for others will be bare subsistence and certainly not enough to pay for a nice house, sky TV etc. same with health insurance- only in the UK does every resident automatically get it. If UK politcians would grasp the nettle and stop the entitlement to benefits for nothing, all of this would stop, and only genuine people looking for work would come. Instead of thsi though, our Government want to invite Turkey to join! Crazy.
Nothing will be done to stop this, when our currant politicians finish they will retire else ware like the ones before them.
What on earth have we done to deserve this? What fools signed up to permit anyone within the EU to come here and claim our benefits when they contributed absolutely nothing to our dumb and now bankrupted Welfare State system? Why do the true Brits have to suffer for the incompetence of their leaders? Now is the time to come to the aid of the country before it is over run with economic migrants here for a free ride.
Of course peace on earth - but they should and can have 'peace on earth' in their own country - it shouldn't mean we ALONE have to open our doors to all the poor and dispossessed of the world. As the report says even this hard working boxer is still claiming half his rent from our Government and all the relevant benefits for his children. Our welfare bill now exceeds £200 billion a year and has been rising rapidly. This cannot go on. It is an emergency. It must be stopped. None of the major parties appear to show any sign of even acknowledging this problem. Our country is ruined and is already lost.... In another 50 years the old England will no longer exist.
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
"1,114,368 Eastern Europeans have moved to England". Yeah, and the rest.
of course the british are welcomed in other countries ,,we dont go there to bleed the system,we add to their wealth not take it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i am over 60 and my benrfit will be cut next year even though i have paid ni i since 16.If there is nothing for me or others in the same boat then these people have no right to anything and should be refused admission. I hope this useless coalition will finally wake up and do something positive for once as i and others of my age group fear for this countrys future.
I think I need to get out of britain asap! why should they be allowed to come here and get benefits? when other people who are British struggle for money cos they don't meet the criteria for benefits! our country is messed up so bad...
some immigrantion is ok, this is threatening, how can our infrastructure support this many needy people? i have just seen the news saying that English people are homeless here, if we can't house the people already here and pay their rents etc how can we take on another million? who is going to pay? all of them will need money, houses education, health care .............is there more money somewhere i don't know about?
Maybe the benefit rules should change if we choose to emigrate we don't expect to claim benefits and the country keep you.
Will the last Brit to leave please turn off the lights
FOR THE LOVE OF OUR COUNTRY, WHY CAN'T WE JUST SAY 'NO!' TO THIS EU DICTAT? We MUST be allowed to determine our own future which we cannot do whilst still tied to the European Union. Britain is already ruined by this and the previous Government. Time to get rid of the lot of them, and create a new way for ourselves. If you normally vote LIB/LAB/CON you must forget to vote with them, as they just pass us between them like a parcel. Now is the time for UKIP ALL THE WAY! It takes courage to step outside your comfort zone, but that's what we HAVE to do, to break up the TRIAD.
- Tesa, Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 1:13---Never mind sending them home, WE MUST NOT LET THEM IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE. Stuff the EU and all its crazy rules. The British Isles are FULL. Got it Dave? FULL.
It's what this country voted for in 1975 and to those who voted for it then it's no use crying UKIP now, they are not the answer. The Right Honourable member of parliament for Wolverhampton South West and others warned you of your folly but you took no notice so my advice is get on with it. You deserve no better!
"Life is poor in my country" but the top appears to show two of the three in full Adidas tracksuits! poor? really? could have fooled me!
Great. Best news I have heard all year....
Which country did our forefathers fight for in the 2 great wars? All british people have been let down, from Thatcher until now..................disgraceful.
Close the borders now, no more unchecked immigration.
They'll be arriving in their droves into the land of milk and honey. Just been gridlocked in the supermarket for 2 hours and in front of me with two trolleys stacked sky high were the laziest so and sos living around here. Never worked so the Rumanians and Bulgarians will have a great time/
And we've got lots of housing to spare.
The government is cutting benefits from British people yet they will hand it out to these people..........says it all about this country really!
UKIP
SOS,Vote UKIP
Why doesnt this newspaper ever writes about us, the romanians and other eu nationals, that live here righteously, without benefits, working and having a normal life, without stealing or begging or cheating laws? i've been living in the uk for the past 5 years, never taken 1p from the government, paying taxes and minding my own business. yes, i am bothered when media is crushing my romanian image because whenever i am talking to someone and saying that i'm romanian, i know what they are thinking and maybe, in some ways, i am much better than the benefits 16 years old teenagers with 4 kids, that live in a council house. what i want to say is that there should be a severe law that will only allow people to come and live here on certain conditions, and this should be applied for everyone not only bulgaria or romania. i am so fed up of being judged just because i am a romanian living in england.
With any luck the floods will block their route - just what we need more crime more benefit claims more unemployment and more pressure on health and education services - I'm all for equality and diversity but what exactly will these people being to us that will benefit us - I think we should all move over there and start a new England
Well they will make our chavs look like royalty compared to them
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much. - Cade, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 23/12/2012 23:31 Obviously they havent gone to Scotland but England is flooded with Poles and Eastern Europeans. My sons old school is most Eastern European.The High St is full of EE shops. The gov said only 8.000 a year would come here it was that a week.
My Missus, came up with a brilliant idea, she said, lets move to Bulgaria!
We need to get out of the EU and stop being an asylum shelter. This country has been built up through war, conquest, imperialism and defense, now we finally have peace we welcome the world with open arms almost as if every single British person is born with a sin which must be repented by paying for people from other parts of the world to be looked after whilst their own families are cold and hungry.
Good luck Blighty! Glad my tax payments are in Dollars. America might not be perfect but its better than home and the standard of living is much higher if you work hard.
The first pictures look like Hull
Were you, like me, worried a few weeks ago by the news that1500 qualified professionals were leaving the UK every week? Well, I'm glad to say that our worries are over. A great horde of toothless, illiterate non-English speaking peasants stands ready to step in and take their place. Government ministers say mass immigration is a good thing - but that's because they never have to use public transport, state schools, social housing or the NHS. For the rest of us, it's an ongoing and ever-worsening nightmare.
The only thing theyre entitled to use is the NHS, however i think this is wrong they should be forced to have insurance until they pay into the system. - Josef , Siberia / Unlike everyone else then? Expats in Germany have to pay health insurance from the day they arrive. What's more, those who haven't been paying into an NHS type scheme previously are forced to take private insurance which is hugely expensive (and impossible for older people joining). If you do neither then you are thrown out. Plus of-course another army of interpreters will no doubt be taken on across the land for this. Unlike Germany again. Here it is sink or swim. And quite right too.
No more plzzzzzzzzz...the UK is sinking - look after our own homeless etc....charity begins at home!!!!!!
We'd be cheaper giving their government money to give to their people so they can stay in their country to improve it. Britain has had it's fair share of poverty and terrible times but as a whole we stayed put and worked to improve things here for ourselves. Let's give them some money to help encourage them to stay and build their own country up.
Diabolical! Nothing I hate more than my hard earned tax money funding everybody else!! (Apart from disabled benefits etc for people who genuinely can't work) why can't we have strict rules like America?! What a joke
Maybe we should fix our own issues before giving out handouts to new wave of lifetime bludgers. The reality is that they will come here and in without working have a better house, more free time and afford to have more children than any hard working resident.
How man people sit there and believe our armed forced are "fighting for our country" when it is being diplomatically invaded.
Stop moaning about it in comment sections like this. Get off your backsides and do something about it
That poor horse and those skinny dogs. What a miserable existence for them.
Man, I don;t know about Bulgaria, but that video about Romania is so unbelievably racist and one-sided that it is hilarious. It's like describing the USA using images of hillbillies and rednecks :D
Wake up sheople! It is the cold-blooded deliberate policy of Lib, Lab, Con and the scum in Brussels to dilute and destroy national identities and any last remaining ideas about patriotism. Then the road will be clear for the imposition of the NWO they have been planning.
Ref mark halesowen 11:34 There is one sure way to STOP this the Country NEEDS either a UKIP Government or the very least a good amount of UKIP MPs,BUT until we STOP voting for the EU loving Lib/Lab/Con parties we have NO hope of regaining control of OUR Country.VOTE UKIP at all the Elections.
For all these people,this is like winning the lottery. Free housing, medical care and benefits and no need to work!
Yo ur comments: What has happened to my country? We should be singing God save England rather than God save the gracious Queen. Cameron take some poistive action, rather than sitting on the fence. Have a referendum. Let's get our of Europe asap.
Enough is enough. Everyone can start to voice opinions by signing the e petition on the Government website. Next send letters to MP's and the P M. Make as much noise as possible. I'm fed up of feeling like one of the minority groups in my own Country.
Me and all my family are voting UKIP lol
The straw that broke,the camel's back!!!!!! how depressing.
Iam late in life, but must get out of this place. Soon it will be hell here. What a government!
Support UKIP they are our only hope!
The only reason I am still in the UK is that I have tried and failed to sell my house. My ideal is a little sunny island in the Med where they don't hand out benefits like confetti and therefore do not have this problem of mass migration - only those who can support themselves. It will be back on the market come March and once sold I'm off never to return. Said it before & will say it again , this country is finished. If you have kids get them to learn Chinese or Spanish, buy them a one way ticket out of here. We will never get a pro-British government in the UK which is stricken with the cancer of PC.
This article is ridiculous... Before you start to talking, do some research.. Bulgaria is 6 million nationwide and Romania is 19 million... That makes a total of 25 million people, NOT 29... And do you really believe that your country is so attractive that everyone will immediately forget their lives and just leave? Come on, you shouldn't be that brainwashed. YES, there are poor areas in Bulgaria and YES lots of the stuff written about gypsies is true, but these are just a few neighbourhoods in Sofia and all of you know that every city has ghettos!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22 ~~~~~~~ We vote for people who say they will put the British people first, but sadly they do not. We've been waiting for a vote on Europe since the last election ! So far we are a peaceable sort of people so 'they' just ignore our protests too.
Well I got my family out of that cesspit 6 years ago so it doesn't affect me any more. I just feel so sad for what was once a great country and for the people that have no choice but to stick it out.
Why is it that through my working life I paid taxes so that I could have a reasonable pension when I retire. With these Rumanians being able to come and settle in this country and the authorities having to house them and put money into there pockets where is that pension which I paid for all of my life comming from. This coalition is the worst government that this country has had and the prime minister the most out of control with any situation he has had to deal with. Perhaps we could build the houses that these immigrants need right in the street that Cameron and Clegg live on and then they and their posh boys would know what the ordinary electorate put up with when they have not the brains in them to make a rational descision. Is it no wonder that thousands and thousands of British citizens are leaving this country because of the stupidity of the European Union and this coalition, given the problem I would think that a class of 4 year olds could do better.
This is the result of giving up your sovereignty to the EU. That wasn't really the choice of the citizens, that was by the central bankers of the world. They dictate everything now. It is not subject to change by voting. It can only be changed by force.
Yeah, why not! At least they will adopt our culture and intergrate. However, there shouldn't be automatice right to social benefits if they cannot find work.
What would Jesus do ?- Shazza, Gazza, Eritrea, 24/12/2012 9:53 +++++++++++++ Jesus wept.
A mother speaking up for the next generation and their children¿s children - They will think what's the point in working hard at school, college, University - no employment prospects, No Homes with No future! Please spare a thought for our children and STOP this madness causing overcrowding on our tiny island close the gates NOW. This is not malice towards anyone you have to ask yourself - why would you want to leave your own Country? Can't you at least try to build it back up again and this goes for all Countries! It's no good running away from a situation or from your Homeland you have to deal with it and build it back up again always remember you reap what you sow! You will miss your roots. Men must become Men again brave and strong physically and in mindset too - Stop becoming weak souls by running away! Stand up to what is rightfully yours and for your children do you really want to live in a foreign land? Be proud of your Country, have no fear, you are free, re-build!
We have Tony Blair and NuLabour to thank for this!!!! Blair foolishly refused to put a cap on immigration from the EU he said "Oh no need, they won't want to come here" His refusal to 'cap' has been responsible for immigration on a massive scale that will bleed this country dry. It's alright for the Blairs because they now own an estate that will keep the gypsies well away from them.
that's great news.
'Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world.'- citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom++++ The left : when their lies about how great immigrants are for our ecomomy won't fly - it's back to cosmic justice and the sins of somebody elses father.
UKIP are getting my vote!! & I pray the majority do the same!!
What about Romanians who are here and have a decent job or who are students, who are taxpayers? Gypsies are not Romanians!... I feel so disgusted of how people easily judge a full nation by a small part of it which according to human rights we can't control! ...So gutted!
Lets see where the British economy is in a few years after the next wave of immigrants who by the sound of things don't have anything to offer. Does this mean my retirement age will go up again so my taxes can pay for those claiming benefits the minute their horse and cart docks in Dover?
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world. - citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:14 Don't be ridiculous, nobody alive today has ever invaded anywhere, it would probably have been better if we had stayed out of the last world wars though as nobody thanked our country for saving Europe.
Must be a way to stop them coming here!!! - mark, Halesowen, 24/12/2012 11:34. There is. Quit the EU. But we have only one party leader that will offer a vote on leaving, and thats Farrage. Vote UKIP, and get us out of this mess.
WHY WHY WHY? I WONDER WHAT ARE OWN GYPCIES THINK, WILL THE NEW ONES DRIVE THEM AWAY/. THE NATIONAL ANTHEM SHOULD BE CHANGED GOD SAVE THE COUNTRY. THE GOVERMENT CANT OR WONT
I've nothing against Eastern Europeans - I'm married to one. But the only way this will ever stop is for the system to reach the point of collapse and then politicians will have to face reality and stop unskilled immigration. So for now allow everyone in until point of collapse or vote for an anti-immigration party. Of course there is a reason why the Tories like immigrants: keeps wages down. Marxist Labour likes immigration as it can destroy the Britishness that they hate.
I would say to Marek Mazur, we on these Islands, stood by your people when I was very young and offered a refuge, you also stood with us in those dark days, we had our politicians with backbones then, we also knew about hard work and respect for law and order. Today this has not just been watered down but deluged by the last Govt. which is all very well but they too are going to cop it, as we are still an Island. Workers are welcome but not criminals, we have enough here already.
With all the pick pockets we have in Parliament we certainly do not need more on our streets. It is time that the UK population made their voice heard to the Parlamentarians.
Cameron shut the door now before it is too late. If you want them here you provide for them from your pocket not the pockets of struggling British workers. Like many other people enough is enough. Don't forget you promised a ballot on the EU, perhaps you have forgotten. Please don't sayafter the next General election as God willing you won't be anywhere near the Houses of Parliament. I'm 80 years old and have had enough of politians looking after No. 1. In case you don't know who No.1 is when you are at the dispatch boox just look around and you will see 649 of them.
resnam sandbanks - the difference between these immigrants and British people emigrating to other countries is clear in one word - BENEFITS. Last time I looked Rumania and Bulgaria did not offer benefits and free housing to immigrants from the UK (or from anywhere else for that matter). Ex-pats usually have a job to go or a retirement pension, they are NOT expecting their host country to provide for them.This is the difference.
What a nasty, condescending attitude from british people.
we cant afford to look after our own british born never mind any one else!!! where is the money coming from to keep them here plus free health and dentists when our own here cant get a dentist!!
Sorry no more room at the European Benefit office,try Brussels.
The pictures in the article are a view of Britain 30 years on if the EU have their way. STOP ALL IMMIGRATION into Britain NOW. Get the EU to improve the economy of Bulgaria and Romania and countries who's peoples are in Britain as economic migrants, let them go back to where they originate from and improve their country. Simples.
Does it not occur to people that the reason benefits are being cut at present and some elderly are being put on the Liverpool Care Pathway, is because the government know that all these extra people will be arriving in 2014 and the pot will have to be stretched even further. God help us all. Our war dead have been BETRAYED. Our only hope has got to be UKIP.
i live in a grotty one bed flat with my 2 yr old daughter. I work and am not even eligable to apply for council housing.I live hand to mouth having to budget for every tiny thing we have. Xmas is not going to be a shw stopper this year. My daughtyer will have £40 max for presents and kind friends are having us for dinner. We dont own a car or have Sky TV. I dont have a computer ( I use friends or library) We are skint!!! Across the street a family of Polish people have just taken tenancy of a 3 bedroom flat that the council have totally gutted and put in new kitchen and bathroom. These people have a car! It makes me SICK. SICK.
Ban benefits for anyone until they have accumulated five proven years of useful, non-criminal residence in the country.
From afar I hate to say this but unless the UK does something PDQ it is totally screwed if Romanians have unfettered access to the UK. There are no jobs for them, all they will do is eat up money resources for welfare, Medicare and housing all courtesy of the UK taxpayer, totally insane!
Same old ignorant comments I see. It's such a shame that some people are too ignorant to realise that without immigrant labour we would not be the country we are today,- Lisa, BOURNEMOUTH, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:06 ++++++++++But people do realise that its because of immigration that we are the country we are today.
What an absolute fast, plz for the love of god can we please let this open door policy be addressed once and for all. This no great in Great Britain anymore!
No doubt Mrs Cable will be delirious with joy that these people will soon be on their way to the UK. This Government and it´s useless polticians are sleepwalking into further immigration, economic and social problems in the UK by allowing this to happen. Do they care anything about this country?
At this special time of the year we should be wishing for Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Men. Merry Xmas to our Roma brethren. Let's hope their lot improves.
We Have been warned many times to get out of Europe, why don't immigrants stay in any other EU STATE, Because they would not be able to claim for any thing, the other States wont put up with them or any other scum bag that happens to cross their borders, so what do they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Why, They push every one of them towards the once Beautiful Great Britain while those Muppets in the Houses of Commons bury there heads in their overflowing TROUGHS Pretending it isn`t happening. You people had better wake up, and vote UKIP, or you`ll be getting new neighbours. Remember the Trojan Horse. The WHEP ( We`ve Had Enough Party. )
@ words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20 FYI the name Great Britain does not refer the Britain's past achievements it was a way of differentiating Britain from Brittany France.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 AM ----------- Completely agree with you Ashley. All anyone seem to do whenever the government plan to implement a mad idea is to call for UKIP to be elected. What about the 3 years left the Tories have? We the British people have allowed the government to rule is without fear of reprisals if they betray their electorates. We the people are the employers of the government, it is about time we show them who is boss. Look at how much damage Labour have caused, we need to stop it before it becomes too late.
Why don't they sort their own country out and leave us alone?
What a nasty, condescending attitude from british people.
welcome migrants ..we need to even out wealth all across Europe. Why should we live in relative comfort while our neighbour next door live in such abject poverty?
Guy Fawkes had the right idea! Shame he was caught!
Bring back our armed troops to man the borders. Why cant these people go to France or Germany, or do they just come for our free for all welfare state?
Don't they realise that they'll just put even more strain on our purse strings and start dragging us further down to a third world country? Our streets are not paved with gold and enough is now enough.
This is what the EUSSR has become. A TRANSFER UNION: rich countries perpetually bail out lazy uncompetitive economies, the useless idle without work go to the rich countries to sponge off lavish state benefits and steal and pickpocket. GET US OUT.
More votes for UKIP!
"how about mentioning the highly qualified people who emigrated to the uk from these same countries. You don't have a problem with those issues do you??? Lars, Maros. Romania. They must all be hiding under rocks then, out of the hundreds of immigrants in our town I've met only one, a dentist who was so bad she's moved onto her third practice since she's been here, the rest are claiming child benefits housing benefits, free nhs dental treatment, tax credits, free school meals you name it they know how to get it, but what's worse is their still moaning about the services and care they get.it's never enough.
Considering every news item today is telling me how awful it is that we have so many more " homeless " people on the streets ... Just where exactly do the Govt intend to put this lot. We have no spare houses, our hospitals & schools are full, we simply can't cope with the thousands that have come already !!!! This is utter madness.
To all who fear, please don't, as no human could predict what might have happened tomorrow. Don't believe some conning predictions. Everything is in God's hands. Great Britain is under water. No human has done it but be afraid from God! I'm not a big fan of gypsies, either but as it is said in the Bible God can create and destroy, and everything is planed by God!
What a nice piece of propaganda! "There is massive prejudice against gipsies. The Roma people say they want to work, but no one will give them jobs." Interesting how they don't speak of the jobs which are reserved especially for them and neither of the free places reserved at universities just for them so that they can get an education. Guess what, they never apply. As someone who lived a very long time in Romania, I've seen some Gypsies who did honest work and a lot more who refused to because its easier to live off others, not because they don't have the opportunity. And some of them will even admit it, just ask them.
Speaking as someone originally from Sofia...yes, the area described in the article is a notorious gypsy ghetto. But gypsies are a minority, and areas like this one are only a small part of the city. The actual number of gypsies that come to Britain with no intention to work is tiny, compared to immigrants who come here to earn a legitimate living and pay taxes. The DM reporter has gone into the very worst part of the city and interviewed a bunch of dirt poor families. Why didn't they go and speak to the hundreds of professionals and skilled workers who come from Bulgaria to Britain? You know, the people who work hard to learn English and adapt to life here. I guess you can't get sensationalist headlines and photo captions from that. The again the DM was never one for balanced reporting.
In that case I'm leaving!
Good news. More hard working Eastern Europeans to do the jobs the British feel are beneath them. More tax and NI contributions to pay British pensions, benefits and keep the NHS limping along.
Claim benefits??! How on earth is that possible??! It's time that only people who are beneficial to society are allowed to settle here. Not those who just want an easy life!!
Its actually pathetic that people on here are saying its acceptable to let them in!we have no jobs as it is even less with them coming over they put a bigger strain on the NHS , they will claim our benefits that british people have payed into why should we pay for them???have they ever paid into the pot to be entitled to benefits?NO!!
Bring the army home from Afghanistan and let them do what we pay them to do - protect our country. Close our borders immediately, we have large numbers of both homeless and unemployed without adding to it. And Mrs Vince Cable, Roma gypsies will add nothing to our country.
These ppl should stop having kids that they can't aford; childlessness a choice I've had to make - so why on earth should I fund thier children? And/or like them regardless?
Britain is becoming the cesspit of Europe. We should close our borders now and sort out all the illegals that are here now. We are becoming the laughing stock of the World. Vote UKIP tell your MP enough is enough.
and dont forget, turkey are in the pipeline as well. god help us
Every member of Parliament not fighting for The Referendum, is a Traitor and should be removed from Public Office, our existing Bill of Rights, makes any involvement with the EU an act of Treason!
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c , Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02 >>>> who is Nigel Farrell? I agree with your sentiment but the fact that you don't even know the guy's name speaks volumes.
EU governments should have an opt out clause about migration from these new countries. The prospect of many thousands of these people who are totally unfamiliar with British traditions, culture and way of life, and whose standard of English is probably poor, suddenly arriving in the UK, is unnerving. How can the UK possibly accommodate them? The number of unemployed in the UK is high at present - there are, therefore, no jobs for a hoard of new arrivals. And HMG can hardly afford to pay out more benefits. It's harmful when too large a number of immigrants are let in all at once. I'm not xenophobic by any standard but I think it's sad how rural Ireland has been changed by the arrival of extraordinary numbers of Eastern Europeans since those states joined in 2004. At that time, however, our economies were expanding. It's now unthinkable that any new arrivals should be admitted in light of our economic difficulties. Enough really is enough. Time to put a stop to this nonsense now.
Isn't it about time we adopted Australia's immigration laws?
We Stand on the edge of an abyss!! The time has come to elect politicians who have the backbone to stand up and be counted. Remember the wars were led by privately educated people who simply fed the machine by the lives of the people who cared for the country. The time has come to rally to those who will stand against the Euro Machine . If France and Germany are so powerful why don''t the Romas take a shorter to trip there. The time has come to say IF YOU DON'T PUT IN, YOU DON''T TAKE OUT. SO STAY OUT!!!!! THERE IS NO WELCOME HERE FOR YOU
Yet another enormous betrayal of Britain and its people by a totally gutless government
Gosh never realised it was so bad!
"Even selling one copy a week of the magazine (created to help the British homeless) miraculously gives them self-employed status and allows them to beg with impunity outside shops and on street corners" Being self employs allows you to beg? No, begging is illegal in the UK.
What the government is scared of telling you is how much of the welfare bil is spent on non uk born people ......yes this will show the full extent of migration.
DaveyD, 9.44 = They said it was scaremongering with the poles and look what happened, it will happen again.
It will all end in tears .. Presumably these people could go to any member state? And presumably they will come here as we pay more unemployment money. Tough on our current claimants but how about paying out less than say France and they could all go there, they have double the land mass - roughly the same population as th UK? Obviously that will never happen as it makes sense (to me).
Why are we letting these poor people come here, we don't have jobs for the people already here, they will just end up being on benefits and we can't afford those already, what a mess, makes me angry
middle class hard working britians will become a minority in the next decade, this country will soon divulge into a wasteland of degenrites from all corners of the globe knowing they can get theirs paid for! No doubt protesting against a legalized foreign invasion will be considered racist!
Our tiny island is BURSTING AT THE SEAMS! The hospitals are full, the schools are full, there is nowhere to live - we are already living like rats in a sewer. There needs to be a revolution NOW before it's too late - our politicians couldn't care less that they have destroyed our country. God help us all.
The solution to the problem is easy.. No benefits until you contributed into the UK tax and NI system for five years 'across the board including our own nationals' that will take care of two birds with one stone.. The lazy at home and those who look at the UK as the free cash machine. Exception to rule. Those with proven disabilities and those that need hospital treatment. To move forward in other countries citizens have do national service, in our case it would be 'national insurance service'.
I can't blame ANYONE for wanting to come here - but I do blame the government for not controlling it. I don't want anyone to be poor and hungry - but we can't take them all. It's impossible. Harsh but true. Most immigrants here in Scotland work - the benefit chavs are our homegrown slackers. None the less - unless we can export the slackers to outlying European countries - we simply won't have room - anywhere in Britain. The Government has to say NO.
No doubt our taxes will go up again to pay for this next wave of scroungers.Our hospitals and schools are struggling to cope now and it will get worse.I fear for my grandchildren growing up in this country as they will soon be in the minority.
Just put yourself in their situation, living in such poverty. If you we're in the same situation, I bet you all would come to Britain to be able to give your family a better chance. This does not mean they will all be sucking off the benefits, I am sure many will & want to work. So lets not be so selfish.
The more that come over the stronger UKIP will become. If David Cameron stood up for Britain UKIP would disappear in days!
I don't understand how they get these benefits though. I have a friend who had lived abroad for many years - after paying FULL NI AND TAX all her life and then paying voluntary NI while abroad. When she had to come back to the UK to look after her aging mother after her father died, she wasn't entitled to a penny piece for over 3 months.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c , Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02 ######################################################################################## I might vote for Nigel Farrell if I knew who he was but I think I will vote UKIP (Leader NIGEL FARAGE).
Revolution.
No more I say! Stop anyone coming hear to claim benefits etc. the only way to be able to have our say and enforce our own rules is to be free from the Europe regime! Lets get out and stay out for our own benefit!
Everything that is wrong with this country and government in 1 article! Timely while working class families struggle to try to provide a christmas for their families!! ...
i have been made unrmployed having worked for over 30 years and paid tax yet i get same benefit as a new immigrant who has not paid tax. Is that fair ?
if this lying government wont take us out of the eu then they must bring in a law where an immigrant gets the same benefits back in their own country and know rights for social housing over the ethnic british, ethnic white british or any type of british person. single passport holder only
'this is blairs fault.if cameron wants to get in the next time then he had better stop it now.'- desolation, lincoln, 24/12/2012 9:59--------------- Desolation, you may not know it, but it was Tory Ted Heath who took us into the CM and Tory Thatcher who signed the Maastrich treaty. Labour Harold Wilson allowed us a vote if we wanted to stay in or come out! It's historical fact! Whatever Cameron does he will never get in again! He may well go down as the last Tory PM ever!
I think most will probably go to Germany as the standards of living and the roads are much better.
Lisa bournmouth... I understand what you are saying yes most of our ancestors did emigrate here. however, it was no was near as crowded as it is now. too much of a good thing can be damaging. I know as most people employed in unskilled and semi skilled jobs that immigration directly correlates with a surplus of job seekers. now the average wage does not increase in line with inflation as there are plenty more people to fill your job. this means that someone supporting a family and a home is now in direct competition with someone living 8 + to say a 2 bed flat. the only winners are the employers. its not a new problem and happened when women entered the workforce (married women that is that traditionally stayed at home).my father earned 300 per week in the ship yards in the 70s this was average. now my mum and dads joint income is 400 per week (full time).people can't afford to live so they use credit which belongs to the big corps which are paying 1/2 and lending 1/2 with interest!
Plamen Petkov: The Bulgarian immigrant who died a British hero's death Plamen Petkov, 32, failed to make it back to shore after he raced into the water from the crowded beach in West Wittering, West Sussex, on Saturday. Mr Petkov's colleagues at Vulcan Building Services called the electrician a "thoughtful and caring man". They said he was "an extremely conscientious and hardworking person who was universally liked and respected by both his workmates and clients alike".
help!
Brill! Bobby looks hot, he can come to my house.
Oh terrific ! Merry Christmas to us then !
Well, thanks for the warning DM, although the tip-off is a wee bit late in coming. All over bar the shouting, I'm afraid (very afraid).
They will be telling us that we will be getting more enrichment and that we need there skills and these people made us great and fought and died for us in the last world war...... The same old lies that they have told us for 50 years to destroy the British people and everything that is British
UKIP here we come. If these people HAVE to come here then NO BENEFITS until they have worked for 5 years - then we will see how many want to come and live here. CAMERLOON and CLINGON CLEGGIE beware of the Great British Public your days are definitely numbered if you allow this influx of people.
We have enough scrounging ne'er-do-wells already. I don't care what race, colour or creed people are, but I have a strong avesion to ciriminals, idlers and scrounging timewasters of any nationality. If the cap fits.... GET US OUT OF THE EU SHAMBLES!! - BigJohn, Hull, United Kingdom, Big John, you have totally echoed what I keep saying to anyone willing (or not) to listen! We are a hair's breadth away from bankruptcy, and the many reasons for this seem to elude those in charge, whichever party that happens to be.
Why should we have to pay to give them benefits! Plus they take jobs from our own people. Don't get me wrong there are some English people that don't work and don't want to which is a disgrace but I am sick of immigration! It needs to stop here
No-one who hasn't paid contributions through taxation, or whose parents haven't paid them, should qualify for benefits in the UK. Working people should not have to pay for non-working people.Benefits were originally created for people who had lost their job through no fault of their own, war injuries, war widows etc who couldn't work. In all cases either they themselves or their parents/family members would have paid taxes previously.No way was the benefits system intended for people who just arrive here, have never worked in Britain or paid taxes in Britain.Poles have been given council houses in our village, paid for with housing benefits, over the heads of locals who've been on the waiting list for years. How is this fair? Cameron MUST close the borders NOW.
"Until now, migrants from Bulgaira and Romania have neatly exploited a gaping loophole in the EU rules. It allows those claiming to be self-employed to get a British national insurance number and a raft of hand-outs, including housing and child benefit".....Self employed THIEVES !!!
THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED!
They are havin a laugh !!!
Ah but when they all get here they will be happy to vote Labour which was the whole point of the exercise.
We cannot cope with the people we have! We can't possibly take millions more. Mr Cameron - do something for God's sake!
Laughing.Stock.
What reall annoys me is that some people in their communities will be making money from them by fixing up the paperwork, travel arrangements, etc. Then we have to pick up the pieces. I believe these "agents" will be actively encouraging people to come as it lines their pockets.
I'm seriously scared for the future of my kids and any grandkids I may have.
The whole country has a duty to vote UKIP and recover our country. Getting out of Europe and making our own laws again is the only option. This is scandalous. Blair the liar opened the floodgates and Dave's too weak to close them. Come on Nigel, sort it out!!!!!
Turkey are next up......Look out!
I can't believe all the negative comments! I say we welcome them with open arms. As part of Europe we need more people from across the continent.
Just sent this to no10- I actually feel like crying. This country has been ruined by letting all these foreign people in. There are parts of Britain that are no go areas. The vast majority who come here don't give a damn about the British way of life and have ruined it. Go to Boston or Bradford. Uxbridge try finding someone that speaks English. They want the benefits, benefits and money not even i as a tax payer could get. Get us out of the EU now and stop these people coming here. You need to send back a vast majority that are here too. You have helped ruin this country, but blair and brown are the biggest culprit. Greedy fat yobs the pair of them. Make good their bad.
I call upon the British people to take up arms and meet these tyrannical waves of immigrants at the borders. It is time to make this great nation what it once was, an island fortress with only the BRITISH as her dependants!
how on earth are we going to pay for this,ow i forgot ,itl be the british public who suffer again,i guess the tories wont take a small cut in there wages and bonuses will they,,get rid of the tories,get us out of the eu,CAMERON,YOU ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY ,when is the uk gunna wake up and get rid of this idiot ov a pm and get some1 in who knows wot there doing ,
What a total an utter mess. Why in gods name in these modern times are there such huge divides of wealth and poverty, it is so unfair and wicked. This country cannot keep taking in thousands upon thousands of people who hope for a better life. We have millions of unemployed, no future for the young, shortage of housing. There are areas of this country that reflect the images that are shown above and if this situation of continues those images and the rich and poor divide will become wider and more spread. The future is looking grim very grim.
absolute joke!!!!!
Well at least we won' have to worry about them bombing us lol!
We only have to be nice to these gypsies and romanians and give them our benefits because we have to,our criminal governments have said that if we are not nice to these people we will be prosecuted,what a wonderful future we have in the uk.
And out come the right wing nutjobs in the comments section! I doubt any of you have even seen a shanty town. Have a bit of compassion for your fellow human beings. And yes they're going to get jobs here, because they graft twice as hard as us lazy, entitled Brits for a start. They take the jobs that we're too proud to do.
Oh come on !! look at the joyous faces of the lovely children & imagine them in places like Tower Hamlets Peckham or Leytonstone....I see nothing wrong with allowing these vibrant, diverse, hard working & lovely people to come to our Great country & and use our generous benefits system to better their lives... who knows, we may get an Olympic medal in boxing ??
i have paid income tax all my life just so i can subsidise local carwash workers families ! Leaving UK at earliest opportunity.
We need to get out of Europe now before the 2014 date or we will be completely overun with low class immigration we are sleepwalking into disaster.
Oh the benefits of immigration.Or should it be immigrants on benefits!
At the heart of all this is good ols RED socialism. Funny always know what is best for everyone.....fashionably PC and diverse and let us not forget alot (not all) of religious "middle England" readily embrace what is fashionable and PC but as long as the consequences are not on their doorsteps and visible, leave that for the working class in big cities to absorb. I blame Blair for starting all this. Socialism will break the west.
Sorry but I don't think we can fit another 29 million people over here. We are already struggling to home the amount of people we have at the moment. Oh and of course if they did come over they would receive a house faster than British born citizens.
Glad I left the UK when I see this.
It will be the end of this country, well done liblabcon!
This will be totally red arrowed. If most DM readers posting here came to power, life would be intolerable, no freedom for anyone, no room for different opinions. If UKIP came to power they would be as unpopular within a year as the coalition and Labour are now: it is not just about leaving the EU, actually governing is a very complex task. If you vote UKIP it will destroy the Conservative chances and Labour will get in (do you want that?). UKIP has no chance of actually winning. Leaving the EU isn't the issue in this case, the main one is some kind of border control and also control of benefits.
OK, so that's set the date of the in/out referendum if the Conservatives ever want to get back into power in my lifetime ...
Why anyone would want to move to Britain is beyond me. Bulgaria is a beautiful country!
You are all so ignorant and indoctrinated. Anyone who looks at these photos of people in poverty and feels hatred towards them doesn't deserve to be alive. If you were living in this kind of squalor, you would also leave for better opportunities. You people are so unbelievably stupid it's unreal. Do you think that Britain owes you something that it doesn't owe these poor Bulgarians and Romanians? You were born into this world OUT OF CHANCE you bunch of remedial simpletons, this could have easily been you.
And the British public have no say in it..................we have voted IDIOTS into power
The future of humanity does not lie in continuing with country/nations and races.. that will eventually destry us, why are humans unable to see this
This is the EU open borders policy in action. If there was only one good reason to be out of this is it. Our dear leaders try to make us believe that immigration of this kind is good for Britain. Let's get out of this madness before still more damage is done.
You paint a very dark picture!! If this does start to happen god help this country, a start of a mass influx will surely bring this government down enough is enough Cameron this country can't look after with what we've got now!
Welcome to Britain!!
I hate my country.
Lets have a EU with a flat playing feild where the rules are the same for all. In France you cannot claim benifit until you have first worked and you can`t avail yourself of the health system right away, so it`s time we adopted the same measures, then maybe some migrants may well decide to reside in another country.
I think these lot coming in would be hard workers.There just needs to be a system where the welfare is not taken advantage of unfairly. In Oz, new migrants cannot claim benefits for the first 2yrs. Seems to work well. Migrants from non English speaking backgrounds in Oz are generally hard workers, and they make sure their kids do well at school. They appreciate the education offered. I hope those coming into England will treat England with appreciation and respect... and contribute back to their new home in a positive way.
A lot can happen between now and Jan 1 2014 . With a bit of luck an Election . could be forced by then .
I rather live in France where you have to pay into the system BEFORE given any hand-outs
I do believe that the sole idea behind the EU is to ruin Britain. They have tried by force, many times over the years, and and are doing it by stealth. Vote UKIP it is our only chance.
Good bye England tha land I once knew and Loved. Gone for evermore!
I blame all the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Normans, Romans, Vikings and Danish etc, who came here 1000 years ago. They started the trend. And we didn't have a Common Market then either! They just walked in, took all our jobs, and claimed benefits. It aint right innit!
Right. I'm off to Australia. Who's coming with me?
what we should is to leave the uk and move to Romania and take all with us
Great! More hard graft for me on building sites working for peanuts while I watch all these foreigners come into the country being able to buy a decent house or even new while driving round in new Mercedes cars. Absolutely disgusting. Baffles me how this is possible.
Your comments: The Governement is sacrificing their own Country for the immigrants and migrants. We must stand up to this and I fear that we will because this is going too far. We will be tolerant to a point but this is going too far now. They are killing everything this Country has to offer - manufacture, farming, development. There is no turning back once we have gone too far. Is that what we want ??????
Any huge influx in immigrants has got to be a bad thing. The fact they can claim benefits is a disaster. I do not agree with the EEC as too much power is put in people hands. They want a European government and bank = very bad idea. The more people in benefits the more control the government have over citizens, which is the plan. The poverty described exists in most countries, not just Romania. Most villages in Asia are like this. Look at India, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey etc. Look at the poverty in the UK and USA. Allowing access to state benefits to foreigners is complete madness !! This can only lead to disaster.
IS this reason for cutting Benefits so that the Government can be a good little(thats what the EU thinks know doubt) EU member and be able to support all that comes from the new members. I am ready I allready have a second lanquage - English ready for 2025.
Look at these pictures and see parts of the uk in five years time
This must be stopped now and the reason why we should of left the EU before eastern europe joined. This country and especially london can't take anymore people.
come out of the idiotic eu and do not let these foreign scroungers in !
Why do we have to let them come? there are no jobs for them, no houses, the NHS is at breaking point and schools are overflowing. We are going to be paying benefit to them for years to come, they will be out on the rob and sending money home so it wont help the economy ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I dont blame people and companies avoiding paying tax if this is where it's going
I can't wait
Well just let them all come in who cares any longer, our governments are totally inept and powerless and directionless and pathetic anyway, so who is going to stop them? I suppose the few of us left who actually speak english and work for a living will just have to work harder and longer and pay more tax to cover all this mess.
How appaling is this. I understand that these people live in harsh times, no denying that BUT seriously what is going on. Are these people going to work or just live off us. I work for pittance and pay alot of tax, and when I got made redundant after 6 years service at my previous company, it was made ever so difficult for me to claim jobseekers to see me through so I could live off something whilst searching for work. Yet these people can just claim benefits and live off us, HORRENDOUS!!! Britain has become a laughing stock, we have become a minority in our own country, we need to toughen up a bit and make these good people who wish to seek asylum WORK and not claim off us. Where do they plan to house these people?! No doubt they'll get brand spanking new houses, fully furnished and everything our government can throw at them. And I fully agree with Yvonne, they arent here to embrace Britain they are just here to live off us. Grow a backbone UK!!!!!!!
Feed the world (with our money), let them know it's Christmas 365 days a year in England.
And our stupid politicians still claim that we benefit hugely from being controlled and dominated by the EU. The only people who get the benfits from our membership are those who come here as benefit tourists and with no intention of making any contribution to our welfare. A|nd we are supposed to smile and putup with this total utter robbery. The hard working paye paying no perks taxpayers are getting pretty fed up with this Cameron, do somethinbg about it or there is going to be some serious trouble brewing.
Oh come on look how they are living! They are fellow human beings - lets be charitable. What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if you lived there?
To those saying Scotland should vote to be independant and not have this.NO HARM IN TRYING EH - 'ANY WHICH WAY' WONT WORK WE KNOW YOUR STUNTS and your reasons. WE are already full of them and its one reason even SNP couldnt afford non workers I know many who will be heading for FRANCE AND ELSEWHERE IF THAT HAPPENS WHERE AT LEAST IF YOU PAY TAXES OTHER QUALITIES WILL MAKE UP FOR IT.
these people should be made to work, what right do they have to live off the state, and whilst I believe every human being should have the right to a decent way of life, that involves intergration with your new surroundings, the amount of European immigrants that come to England and Ireland that have no interest in immersing themselves in the lanuguage and culture is unbelievable, and I can guarantee if you moved to their country you'd be expected to immerse yourself in their culture!
time to stop the rot,this country must make a stand like Greece,wake up .
VOTE UKIP AS WE HAVE TO STOP THIS MADNESS , WE CANNOT AFFORD IT
I have seen first hand what has happened in EU countries who have let them in. Just another nail in the UK coffin until we have a pro-British government in place.
But we will have the right to live in Romania or Bulgaria - So it evens itself out. All ls fair in the world.
Best get the sandbags ready as the floods will get worse in years to come. The sea levels aren't rising, the country's sinking under the weight of both the newcomers, and the swollen ego's of the liberal left!
The Grand Project in progress; how to destroy our green and pleasant land. WHY do you think we are told we need MORE AND MORE HOUSING - and schools, and hospitals, and roads - just WHEN DOES THE TIPPING POINT COME - and the Brits have the BACKBONE and COURAGE to say 'ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'. When we start to RUN OUT OF FOOD, WATER, POWER? The UK has become a dumping ground for the 'unwanted' in the rest of the Federal Empire. If you voted for the LimpDumbos, the LabRed or the Cons - then this is the inevitable result. You don't like what the future holds for you - AND your children - AND your grand-children - then the ONLY WAY IS UKIP. Otherwise it's a case of 'Cry My Beloved Country' - the UK will not exist as a land of tolerance, fair play and a cohesive society. THE ONLY WAY IS UKIP...... or when the civil disturbances start - watch the EU Federal Army march in... they are waiting in the wings. Vote UKIP - for your FUTURE.
THE END full stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
I am not sure the British people will peacefully accept what could be a further huge influx of foreign immigrants which will inevitably lead to longer and longer queues for housing, medical and other essential services. When they are struggling themselves how are they supposed to feel when they get squeezed into an ever smaller corners? It is very worrying.
How did the mail get a time machine to take pictures of our once glorious isles in 10 yrs time! Amazing!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me... - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom / OK, well I'd like to live on Jersey and have a nice house and all services provided for me free of charge. Will you and your mates fight on my behalf please because for some reason the authorities there just don't see it that way. After all it is so close in many ways to Britain.
UKIP
Merry Christmas and a HUGELY successful New Year to Nigel Farage!!!!
//One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what???//......To liberate Europe?
"Migration is not a crime....it's a shame 'bigotry' isn't either ..... - Theredboop, Liverpool, 24/12/2012 8:54 ITS NOT A CRIME TO BE UNEMPLOYED IN THIS COUNTRY AND BE A BRITSIH CITIZEN.. but the DM readers seem to think it is...
The British people are very fair; we sympathise with the apparent widespread discrimination and do not condone it in anyway. But enough is enough. British people want to know why these countries have been allowed to join the EU when discrimination and human right abuses have not been stopped in their home country. That is what British people think Human Rights Law is for not to protect terrorists. If Bulgaria et al were forced to stop discrimination etc perhaps they would not leave. EU has had plenty of time to do this this Bulgaria joined but they have done nothing and NOW Britian picks up the pieces. Enough is enough but British people DO WISH these people's lives improve; after all we are British and fair
This is another attempt by the Fascist EU to destroy this once great country, We are full up and fed up, we are not here to bank roll the rest of Europe, this madness has to stop!!!
Awww! Poor stray dogs. So cute!
My mother is Bulgarian and she does not claim benefits. I think that they should be allowed to live here and if can not manage at all can claim benefits.but the British should realise that it works both ways, we move to their countries as they move to ours
Ah, What a beautiful melting pot! I've already met other Eastern Europeans, Latvians, Luithanians, Slovaks, Chechs... now the pot gets a lovely mixture of Bulgarians and Romanians. Brilliant!!!! Thanks to Labour and the Lib Dems, Britain is a more diverse country. Give it a decade or less and the E.U willl develope some sort of open Borders agreement with Russia :)
I like to visit this website regularly for my prescribed dose of latent racism.
We have to shut the doors or we will sink in more than one way!
We can't change the past. At least we can our future. For God sake stop them.
STOP IT NOW - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We have pensioners who cannot afford to eat or put their heating on. Sick peole who are not getting the proper care or treatment. Schools that do not have the proper teaching equipment. And of course don't forget those on benefit. How can we keep more people that are coming here. We are trying to sort out our country - let them sort out theirs.
Sorry just realized these people just come here for the benefits. The government has a responsibility to its current residents. In helping its own people in time of need. There is already too much strain on this country's resources which if left unchecked will eventually leave this country bankrupt. We are heading in that direction and in less than 20 years this once great country will become a poor third world country. This country has a responsibility to look after its OWN people first before others jump on the gravy train!
It is true, yet another demonstration 'of giving our country away', I truly despair!
You should see how they treat Italy. They ride the trains begging for money or sit with their kids in the city centers, It is all organized business. I am working and paying rent and have a Romanian family above who are noisy, inconsiderate and the husband abuses his wife and I was told I have to put up with it. I am sick and tired of Italy and thought about coming back to Britain but after reading this article feel even more sick to the gut. Asylum seekers here are allocated 46 euro a day and still complain and are free to sell drugs and make more money than hard-working Italian citizens who are at their limit. There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, that's the tragedy. So, Britain you cannot plan for these kind of people. Crime will rocket and your rights will diminish. Britain will never recover! We are living this reality here, now and it is coming to you next year.
If this "Freedom of Movement" is an EU rule send them to other EU countries. What would the EU do if we just said NO to them and closed all our borders, - will they throw UK out of the EU - if so good we wouldn't need to wait for our soft headed politicians for a referendum.
Dear The Government - If this happens there will be civil war! Dear The Queen - for once why don't you earn your money and DO SOMETHING!
They will be telling us that we will be getting more enrichment and that we need there skills and these people made us great and fought and died for us in the last world war...... The same old lies that they have told us for 50 years to destroy the British people and everything that is British
What about our human rights? I think we need to start demonstrations and protests to have our voices heard like they just did in India. This government does not care what the people of Britain want .
What a lovely Christmas story from the DM.
All the do-gooders shout it enriches our society. Well I have had enough of my culture being diluted and overwhelmed by foreign cultures. We are so hell bent on looking after everybody else's culture to the detriment of our own. I couldn't care less what they do but I do care about my British culture and the fact it's being abused. Harriet Harman, Tony Blair, Trevor Phillips and many more can go and rot in hell as they are the main players of the demise of our nation. I will be voting UKIP and I urge all of you to do the same as some of you I know will just be whinging and not do anything about it. Get out, vote UKIP and make your case.
I think some people won't be happy until the sort of scenes you see here are recreated in this country. Why doesn't the EU do more to sort out these countries problems instead of meddling with our country? Why did the EU even allow these countries to join in the first place if they are in such a state? Also the big question that has to be asked is why they want to come here when there are plenty of other rich countries in the EU, some richer that us?
This is weird in ever consider ukip but more and more I'm thinking that we should get out of the EU
& If You Woz In Their Position! What exactly would you do? Humanity! you do not own Britain! English lady who has lived in Spain & now lives in Scotland! Live where your heart desires people!
What puzzles me is that Europe legislature covers just about everything exept the protection of a society that are being persecuted in there own country we are bound by law in this country to protect our own and the civil libertarians and human activists quite rightly will make sure of this, its about time that Europe and its member states protected there own by using there own police force and army in that problematic country to maintain the rule of law if they can dole out hundreds of millions in euro`s to stabilize indivdual countrys his not human life more precious you cannot keep moving the problem on this is ethnic cleaning
Get out of the E.U. now and close our borders and put a stop to this terrible drain on our once British beautiful country
Politicians please listen - STOP IT NOW - you have time - do not believe anyone who says they won't come - they have planning this for years (people and their politicians who can't wait to get rid of their home grown problems) and come they will, in hordes and our country will be lost and it will be your fault.
The 'in work benefits' like Housing Benefit are the main problem with migrants. The taxes paid by the car washers and so forth are peanuts. It only takes a single claim for Housing Benefit and you are looking at hundreds a week lost to the taxpayer. And of course the extra demand for rented housing means that all rents experience upwards pressure, meaning existing claimants will be claiming more. The other big drain is the NHS. How much will it cost for 200,000 Bulgarians to register with a local GP? Then how much will it cost of 10% of them actually need some form of healthcare? And what will the cost be when just 1% need to have an ambulance and /or a visit to A&E and / or hospital bed for a couple of nights?
I am 23 years old, me and my boyfriend have just brought our first flat, it was really hard and to be honest we will probably struggle but the government will not help us we both work and have no children so are entitled to nothing. How is this fair?They have never paid money in to this state yet we give handouts to all of these immigrants no wonder this country is in so much debt!David Cameron seriously needs to sort this out!!!
This surely indicates that we are a caring and reasonable society; these people do not want to go to Germany or France. We are a part of the EU and cannot ignore the rules even if the rest do. Do we not pride ourselves on being a tolerant multi cultural society; we have most of Ireland¿s traveller population so what difference will a few more make. If we fear an increase in crime then that can be dealt with by our Police and Courts, not to difficult to hand out a few more community service orders or ASBOS. Anyway the children will be under the age of criminal responsibility. And on the positive side it will provide more employment, Solicitors, Interpreters, Social workers etc and their extra taxes will go towards paying the additional benefits. This is great for Britain.
This is pure madness, it/s like a sinking ship with one life raft the more we alow onboard the quicker we will sink. MPs must do a uturn and block this migration, never mind the human rights stuff we have seen where that gets us,Get real David speak through your thin lips loud and stand up for us the British people.
I think the government should let us British people vote on this particular issue, before we are over run with these people, God knows what this country will be like in a few years time if this migration is allowed to go ahead, it's bad enough now.
No wonder we've been in recession for years and there no signs of it changing anytime soon. Sort your own country out first before opening the doors to others
...and a Happy Christmas everyone.
What would you do? Just say for one minute you and your family lived in a poverty stricken country were there is very little opportunity to improve your life, wouldn't you want to do better? Given the chance, wouldn't you want better? Anyone who says they wouldn't is a liar. Anyone who says they would rather continue to live a life of poverty is a liar. I personally don't believe everyone who comes to Britain comes for the free benefits - some may well do but, lots more don't. Many come to work hard and give them and their family a once in a lifetime chance for a brighter future. Anyone who wouldn't want that is a fool. I bet many readers here knows someone, or is related to someone, who has done exactly that.
They even admit going to Britain for free money? Wow, just wow. We have the same problem here, but with people from Poland. I feel for you Brits.
Utter madness I fear for my 3 yr old grandson what will yhis place be like in another 10yrs!!! --I Hate what you have done to ENGLAND Blair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh blooming marvellous. We already have a housing shortage, a worsening NHS, no discipline in schools, a financial deficit, and all the rest of it, and now we are set to import a few million uneducated gypsies. And just where are these millions of people going to be housed and educated, may I ask? And who the hell is expected to foot the bill? There'll be riots and bloodshed if this nonsense continues. Before you know it our streets will resemble the slums of Mumbai.
it s time for the people of England to make a stand like Greece have,or you can stand by and slowly lose your grandchildren's future and your country as you know it,it has already changed beyond recognition ,the people of England must get some backbone,before its to late.
seriously?? are you kidding me?? i have a chronic illness and unable to work although the lovely ATOS say I can, have 2 kids to feed, a mortgage to pay and cant get the help i need just to survive, yet all these bulgarians are coming into the country who've never paid any taxes and will get housed, clothed, fed and produce even more kids !!!!! i could cry..... when are this government going to do what they are supposed to be doing, they're supposed to be working FOR us, not AGAINST us !!
I have seen my homeland become a destroyed on purpose, by self centred well as it says in the Bible, 2 Timothy Chapter 3 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Unfortunatly we did not turn away but listened to there doctrines of Devils.And have seen our beautiful islands turned into a hell on earth!
what a despicable article to concoct at this time of year. Not only is it inflammatory it is also a gross exaggeration and as to those who say they're getting out of the country, what gives them the right to inflict themselves on another country ?
I'm emigrating in the Spring, thank God, to a beautiful country with strict immigration rules and only 4 million people. I despair about what has happened to England, just don't recognise my own home anymore; feel like I'm a stranger now in my own country, seems like I'm now a minority in London, being white and English and English speaking. Don't think that I will ever return. Most of my friends are doing likewise or have already left for pastures new.
Never trust any parties in the government they give us the blurb at the start then shaft us when there in power.This EU rules are nonsense.WE WILL ALL BE WORKING FOR SWEET F.A SOON.
and i'll be voting yes in the 2014 referendum.
God help us!
get out of the eu tories this is the future if you dont
Oh well, isn't that wonderful....
You have had 12 years to stop this you did nothing those of us who did complain you denounced as Racist. Good morning UK wakey wakey.
Is this why the government are taking benefits from the British people to save money for the new batch of foreigners?
We are so far down the gurglar now it doesn;t really matter anymore. No one with the power to stop it really cares, and I can't see for the life of me why not. SUrely everybody can see what is happening in this country. We are bursting at the seams. There is so much tax pAyers money being spent welfare benefits, and alike. How much more can we take. If we are not already. we are speedily turning into a third world country and will soon have more people sleeping on the streets and thousands not having enough to eat. And if you think I am exagerating and DON'T BELIEVE ME JUST WAIT AND SEE!
Merry Christmas Everyone, If just a small part of this article is true this island should sink into the sea weighed down with people and at the moment water, last person turn off the lights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must be a way to stop them coming here!!!
That was a well written article, it gave both sides of the story, was very interesting. I cannot see all them gypsys going to Britain, where would they put them all? There is only so much government/tax money to go round.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. In Spain, to qualify for any kind of benefit, you have to be a resident, and to be a resident you have to meet certain criteria. First, if you are of employment age, you either have to be employed or qualify as self-employed. If you are relying on the former, you have to prove it (as a condition for applying for residency); if the latter you have to prove both your level of income and that you have a capital reserve and that you have medical insurance. If you are receiving a pension, then you have to prove that you are receiving it or a sufficient alternative income here and that you either have medical insurance or that you qualified for state medical cover in your country of origin which is transferable to Spain. Spain is as much a member of the E.U. as Britain, so why can't Britain do something similar. Oh, and by the way, unemployment benefit ceases after 2 years.
This socially destructive development is another reason that Lennon's Imagine no longer resonates with me especially the not so Utopian line 'Imagine there's no countries...' This article reveals the result
As much as I really feel for these poor people, this country just cannot sustain this further mass influx on top of the many thousands that are flocking here daily. The indigenous population is being hit very hard by austerity measures and times are very hard for most of us. The only people not suffering are the rich and this government. We cannot take any more. Why should our hard earned taxes pay for others to flock here. Why have we NO say in how our taxes are being spent. The propaganda this government spews out about our unemployed is ludicrous when what they are doing is covering up is mass immigration for others to take our homes and what few jobs are available as well as our taxes in benefits. The EU should sort out the mess in these countries not allow such mass immigration. Just what does the EU spend our money on anyway? What benefits are there for us? All I see is more misery for us Brits.
The sooner they destroy this country the sooner they move on to next one
we are full ,just say no ,get DC out ,sack goverment ,call early election ,get out of EU other wise the UK will be ruined vote in UKIP now ,,,if we had the jobs & no recession no problem but all will happen crime will rocket we will end a country like theirs surley the EU can get rid of these corrupt leaders so they can look after their own people ,,this world is run by insane people just like john lennon said ,,
Sounds like it will be a good time to demolish my house, build an apartment block and emigrate to California with all the money.
Take a second to think WHY people emigrate is it because their country is so amazing they can't stand it its to good or is it because of war absolutely poverty family member dying or being murdered by corrupt governments. We are lucky to live in such a good country as much as we moan and moan and moan about how awful our country is it a good place to live with benefits helping the poor etc. put yourself in someone else's shoes would you want to live in a shed with no heating for you and your family or would you seek a better life???
They could camp in MP's gardens .
Surely they won't want to come here, will they?
This article is writen to scare british ppl so they vote for ukip its so obvious! Just dont give benefits so easily thats it
A plan that a couple of thousand years in the making, finalised in the past two hundred years all achieved to precision as a result of their victory in WWII. What have we done?
As an ex-pat who left his homeland in the hope of a better and safer future for his family I by no means feel the need to be smug about the decision we made, and as happy and glad we feel about the move it is also tinged with sadness for the good people we left behind.
I am British, I love being British and I love this country regardless of what some lefties might want me to think. I don't mind anyone who wants to live in this country, love it and work hard like me to make it better for everyone.But I can say this, I am perfectly willing to fight to get my country back to the decent hard working country that respects IT'S hard working citizens over every other piece of rubbish that feels it can come here and turn it into a cesspit. If it comes to it I think you will find there are many like me. Lets get our country back shall we and make it known enough is enough.
And they probably will stay in London were we already live on top of each other. Reminds me of the truck load that arrived in London not long ago who planted themselves in Green Park and only moved when they were sure to have a house to go to. When they left that beautiful Green Park was a mess. It wouldn't be so bad if we had jobs, but we don't, what do you think they gonna do to survive .... I feel sorry for all of us, we have been let down very badly by our politicians.
This is silly, and whilst I appreciate that these countries are in harsh times, Britain seems to be looking after every other country and doesnt seem to be looking after their own people. Are these people going to be working when they come to this country or are they going to be living off the good tax payers of this country. I work for pittance and pay a ridiculous amount of tax each month and so far I dont see anything being put back into our own country. I was made redundant and it was made so diffuclt for me to try and claim a little bit of job seeker money to get by yet these people can just walk into our country and get money thrown at them left right and centre. If we start to house and support all these people then what will happen to our country! We've become a charity for every other striving country because we cant say no! We've become a laughing stock, we need to toughen up and take a leaf out of countries such as Australia who are more vigilant about who they let in.
The government need to look after their own first - Hold on there , Here, 24/12/2012 09:47 ... They don't see US as "Their own"
You never know, they might bring some respect and humanity to this dump! Look at the recent article showing Brits "celebrating" in Newcastle!
So now we all need to be survivalists. Load our guns. stock up with tinned food and plenty of water just like the US nut-cases!
Perhaps if we keep up the troubles in N.Ireland... that may deter them from coming here.
This is more like the supposed prophecy of the Mayan Calendar. Our country shattered and crushed under a deluge of sponging immigrants. Don't forget, if the eastern european gypsy population lives up to its reputation, our prisons will also be heaving (assuming we can catch the criminals in the first place!) What are the chances that our population will finally wake up and rise up and start building barricades at all the ports and airports?
Bring it on, see how we react.
Still, you gotta laugh haven't you....
This country has no choice now. It must leave the European Union. The politicians, bankers and central bankers have bankrupted the country financially by buying votes with free everything, while they get nicely paid off when they retire. They print money to pay for their vote rigging. They have destroyed savings, they lie about inflation and allow indebted people to borrow for nothing. Perverse in the only word to describe it.
'Given the state of the once great country, given the way we have been shafted by successive government's of whatever colour, I can only say - if I were young enough I would emigrate' ... Can you not see the irony of that statement? When bad political economic decisions of a government make young people want to move abroad to work and contribute that is a God given natural instinct. When lazy people with nothing to give want to come to the UK and want to insult their host whilst getting benefits or getting involved in crime that is another thing. I wish the debates will distinguish between the 2 groups. Some descendants of the latter group also want controlled immigration - but enlightened debates and strong action is the way forward - not simplistic reasoning.
I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now? - Sassygirl, England, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:21 The reason for introducing these plans is not to save money, or to get young or our sick, disabled people into jobs, that are not available in the first place, but to try and free up as many houses as possible for them,to come over here and if they cannot succeed, then they will build new houses, on green belt land.
"you can see why we like Britain, where everyone is treated fairly" - except the indigenous population, who are only vaguely noticed just before an Election, then instantly forgotten.
Why are we in the EU? letting every Tom, Dick and Harry into our country when we are in enough debt as it is. What a complete joke
Why have we still not got a free vote on immigration law????
I just wrote to my Tory MP about this and received a reply. He 1. Blamed Labour. 2. Said nothing could be done to stop them coming but benefits might be restricted a bit. 3. Said UKIP were rubbish. So don't think the Tories are going to help us!! VOTE UKIP!
We have no room for anymore people here! Soon we will be told we can only have one child Like China as there are to many people. They should not be allowed Benefits as we the tax payer fund this. Its so funny that they can come over here and get them at a click of a finger but if we want them its form after form after phone call to be told no! Forget the EU.....They are the ones ruining this country
DM, you are fanning the flames a bit me thinks especially at a fragile financial state that the UK is in. It's not a good time to be inflammatory. Why don't you to excerpt YOUR influence over the government in retaining stability back in the country for UK citizens who are struggling to get by...
I think we will need an amendment, "The right to carry arms"!!!!!!!! Or send them to the states :)
Theresa May has admitted that because of E.U. rules the government can do nothing about the possible influx of Romanians and Bulgarians in 2014. This is what U.K.I.P. mean when they talk about our loss of sovereignty,we no longer run our own affairs .If you are unhappy about the situation then do what I do . I vote U.K.I.P. I support U.K.I.P. I joined U.K.I.P.
I hardly think all 29 million are going to come. That's nearly half the population of Britain now. I would be happy if qualified and hard working immigrants settled, but not those who just think they are entitled to claim benefits and so do.
And you know who these people will vote for don't you? The Labour Partyand that's the reason why Blair had this open door policy while he was ruining the country and Brown was calling Gillian Duffy a bigot for questioning the tide of immigrants coming into her town. And Ed Millionaire won't say anything about this impending influx of economic migrants because of these votes he hopes to win in 2015. But what will Camoron do about it? Apart from making fine speeches, nothing really. But then, you didn't think he would do much anyway, now did you?
dave get the army back get the air force ready and the navy patrolling our shores for any unwanted guest trying to get in as our biggest threat is this! BTW guys get ready now for massive tax increase as this will need to be paid for some how
And just watch our politicians roll over and let it happen. Bring it on - eventually the British will have to wake up or accept a well deserved extinction.
Imagine this? Several million immigrants coming over in the space of a few years. Maybe a few Doctors and Nurses, and maybe a few professionals, but otherwise cant see any other immigrants worthy of entrance. On average £20.000 per immigrant in benefits PER YEAR. Do the math and what do you have? Goodbye benefits system, Goodbye NHS, Goodbye UK!
It's a joke. Get us out of the EU. The vast majority of the British public do not want this mob Descending on us on the take.
no no no no no no no ,& sack the goverment now start again ,get out of EU now ,
40 pounds for a pair of shoes?
How can they claim benefits? If you haven't paid into the system you should not be able to take from the system. And balls to what the EU says.
Like the flooding happening, we'll soon be saturated. That's when the establishment will decide to do something - when it's too late.
I think that the best way forward is, for every say 100 000 or so of the immigrants who come over, we get to claim part of their homeland as British territory. We should say, you know what if you dont like your homeland, if you dont want it and want to do something useful with it then we will have it, we will turn it into a prosperous place and give our people the choice to then live there.
Time for a revolution me thinks.
as a regular and loyal DM reader with the intellectual capacity of a parsnip i would like to blame the unemployed for this.
I cry for my country !
If you want an end to this then you have to vote for it, it's no good voting Tory/Labour/LibDem and expecting things to change, they won't. UKIP are the only party offering a way out of this nightmare.
"Where are they going to live???- jj sussex, Horsham,"==== Probably in properties that most of us could only occupy in our wildest dreams. I saw types like this going in and out of places in NW London which must be worth several million each only the other day. Why work and pay off a mortgage when you can live more luxuriously by scrounging?
so what you going to do about this dave
Petition please
Bulgaria and Romania combined cover an area of 134,000 sq miles compared to the UK which has 94,000 sq miles. Romania and Bulgaria combined have a population density of around 200 persons per sq mile compared to the UK which has a population density three times as high of around 660 persons per sq mile. Some projections indicate that the UK population could pass 80 million by 2050, that's around 850 per sq mile, about the same as India today. Realistically, while we remain in the EC, I don't think they can stop it. The Genie is well and truly out of the bottle, so I reckon I'll be off to live in Romania or Bulgaria where there's much more room and, hopefully better summer weather.
Imagine this? Several million immigrants coming over in the space of a few years. Maybe a few Doctors and Nurses, and maybe a few professionals, but otherwise cant see any other immigrants worthy of entrance. On average £20.000 per immigrant in benefits. Do the math and what do you have? Goodbye benefits system, Goodbye NHS, Goodbye UK!
Right let me get this straight, the population of the United Kingdom is just over 63 million. Ethnic minority's are less then 8 million yet because of this it is no longer 'great Britain'!? It is no longer great Britain because there is so many nasty low life people around who couldn't give a damn about education. Just lazy scums who want someone to blame.The majority of these people are white English. Judge people on a individual basis. If I was to export people it would not automatically be immigrants it would be all the horrible vile individuals who don't realise how lucky we are to live in a land of opportunity.
I agree with BRADSTER CARDIFF....We need the tunnel blown up and this government rid off bye bye britain RIP you used to be nice not any more thanks to thatcher blair brown and now cameron thats exactly why we are having our pensions cut pensioners are put on the LCP pay freezes and all the benefit cuts we are getting.ready and making way for our new visitors. i hate this country i was born in look at the state of it because we have to leave the running off it to idiots. vote ukip in fact we need to exit this corrupt EU now not tomorrow Its bringing us down and them idiots in parliament cannot see it or PERHAPS ITS PART OF THEIR PLAN a new job in the EU that governs all us peasants. we need seriously to get rid of them
Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money. Merry Christmas everyone!
I'll be voting Geert Wilders next time.
So why did our young men, put their life, and many lost their's in 1939/45 for this to happen
Good luck with that! Maybe the Idiots who seem to have lost the key to Passport Control can put them all up in their homes. Keep your peckers up Brits - and Merry Christmas to you all.
You don't need to worry about Roma taking jobs off the British. Roma don't work. If they do come here they'll be doing it to exploite the benefits system. They see everybody that's not from their community as a target to be stripped of as many possessions as they can. And they find very clever ways of doing it. If you have any dealings with them, ALWAYS MONEY UP FRONT. Any credit given is money lost.
Give them nothing and close the door. The Governments past and present more concerned with how they come across in the polls. Then giving talks to the yanks or writing their memoirs. UK as i knew as a kid has long gone.
I cannot read the whole article because i'm so angry. These people have paid absolutely nothing into the UK benefit system, yet because my husband works all hours to support his family my child benefit stops next month. I accept that we have a higher than average income and there are many people who need that money more than me, but it absolutely hacks me off when families from overseas get the money when they have not contributed and my husbands slogs away so his tax can pay for other people to sponge off the state. We need to get out of the EU ASAP. Roll on the next generation
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
These people will be able to vote on whether or not Britain stays in the EU. Is that why Cameron is putting it off? He hopes the out voters will be outnumbered.
Well the electorate accepted Labour's mass immigration on the basis of "enriching our society" whats Dave's excuse. Don't forget, at the next election vote for a bowl of tepid rice pudding, you will get more action out of it than the crowd passing the buck and feathering their nests whilst the good ship UK heads for the rocks. (George if you are unable to do anything, at least stop passing off increasing the population as economic growth. Labour did it for years, part of the reason for your problems, or, is it that your friends want low skill cheap labour to exploit.)
Which left wing council will be the first to allow them to bring their horses to their 13th floor flat, in case it infringes their civil liberties.
I wouldnt mind an invite to the UKIP Christmas party , I bet it will be a hoot . The Tories will be busy working out how much they can make out of these New Plebs . Labour will be having secret talks among themselves as to how they can get more people coming in faster ( this wont actually matter as they couldnt organise a bunfight in a bakery ) .The Liberals should retire to the library with a bottle of scotch and a loaded revolver . Of course on present evidence they would drink the scotch shoot themselves in the foot and carry on being poodles .
Our politicians are Eton school boys they wither at the thought of a telling off, how about you just say no to this, how about you kick qatada off Brighton peer and tell him to make his own way home, how about you just cap immigration, how about you cut up the passports of immigrant offenders and send them home, then suffer the minor consequences later.
As a Frenchman, I don't think Britain should be allowed in the EU anymore. Their population can no longer be qualified as "European".
The goverment is totally to blaim, who wouldn't want to live in the U;K when you see the state these people live in. It is disgusting to see how they have to live .Winters down to -30c and they have nothing, so of course they have to steal. All the other countries in the E.U and they only want to go to Enland , that says it all. All the people that work in the U;K and have worked all their lives to see "Gt Britain fall on its knees "People need to make a stand as the goverment are just interested in lining their own pockets as every party always does. Huge bonuses etc and the working people pay for all the others on Benefits.The health system is on its knees. Wake Up before its too late. Bulgaria should look after their own people as Romania should.
Must be nearly time for the British Spring, although in my opinion it should have been at least 15 years ago.
i feel sick
Just great we reduced to a dumping ground of Europe Cameron won't do anything UKIP is the only way to halt and stop the rot
Get out of EU as fast as Britain can before turning this country into crime ridden ghettos and another millions of benefit seekers and cheaters. Only God can save this nation from looming disaster.
Once again it is time to celebrate diversity and multiculturism
Lol, Britain supports the royals and now gypsies...I believe you are the working class...
I'm packing my bags and heading for NZ this year ! I'm not wasting anymore of my hard earned cash supporting the welfare system ! - andy418, Manchester, 24/12/2012 09:48 Then you will become an another immigrant!! Make up your mind!! I'm sure the natives of NZ are sick of immigrants like you stealing their country away from them!!
England needs tighter restrictions like the effort it is to go into Australia, but nope they get let in pretty much willy nilly, but it's not anyones faulty apart from the EU, so it has nothing to do with Conservatives, Lib Dem, Labour etc etc, so no need to blaim them. The only way is to remove ourselfs from the EU then we can have our own laws back.
Yes but just think of all those skills and enterprise they will bring with them --- hopefully outside the Cable household !!!!!
Great more strain on us to provide, already our health care, Doctors, Disability benefitsElderly are being drained and punished with cuts. Our schools are overloaded and our kids are suffereing. I agree the Government needs to be sacked as they are making the wrong choices. My family came to Britain 54 years ago from Northern Cyprus, they worked long hard hours to provide and did nmot ask for any help from the government. This is a disgrace and as a Society we cant keep suffering so others scrounge of the us/ the government. Britmarie
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective. - PETER, LONDON, 24/12/2012 9:41=====You sir,are an idiot.
All thanks to the anti-British cultural marxists in all areas of our establishment who despise our country and it's culture, history , traditions , heritage and way of life. They wish to turn us into a third-world repository for all and sundry.
I am not against immigration as such but there comes a time when one has to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I fear that the riots we saw across the UK a couple of years ago will be nothing compared to the unrest that will ultimately be caused by mass immigration. Sadly people will use this to blame the present government when in fact it has been going on for years before they came into power. At least Cameron has made significant stands to defend British interest within the EU that the political activists here choose to ignore. Rather than dilute our concerns by political ramblings we need to UNITE with a COMMON VOICE that will be clearly heard MO MATTER WHICH POLITICAL PARTY IS IN POWER. Express your concerns NOW to your local MP's before this escalates out of control !
The BNP’s policy is to: - Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally - Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British - Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate - Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases - Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain. Green or red arrow? Green for me.
we full to the brim ,another reason to get out of the EU ,,,this is being done to cause civil unrest which it will so they can bring in marshall law ,if this goes ahead im looking at leaving the UK by 1st jan 2014 if not before ,,,,,police are stretched as it is ,hospitals at breaking point ,housing crissis ,& because their countries leaders are corrupt we have to pay for it ,,,its common sense DC we are full but its Mr R you want to blame DC takes his orders from him,,,time for EU refferendem now not later enough is enough ,why cant we be strict on immergration like OZ ,england will be ruined if we dont put a stop to this ,,,i dont have a problem if lots of jobs & no recession. but to come here just to claim benifits no no no no ,but we have less jobs as it is & we in yet another illegal recession ,,,caused delibratley on the orders of Mr R ,,
I am an Englishman get me out of here....., this country is falling apart if only a minority of another set of Eastern Europeans end up here it is going to put even more strain on a broken welfare state and its benefits. I am fed up working paying my taxes for hoards of Europeans from across the channel to pour across our boarders and claim benefits. For god¿s sake Mr Cameron get it sorted before we end up with protests, riots and possibly worse due to a country that when you walk round its shops, doctors surgeries and hospitals find it hard to hear anything other than African and Eastern European languages, its ridiculous, GET IT SORTED¿..
Ah, the joys and benefits of being in the most corrupt club in the world.
Stick to darts mate.
PROTEST RALLY AT THE COMMONS Why don't we start a massive protest rally like the one before the war with Iraq.......NOT IN MY NAME! etc........ over a million people in London......... Lets give the Police another opportunity to assault the free thinking people of this country....what a mess we're in....Professional Politicians what a bunch of cak.
I't mustn't be allowed to happen, no more to be said.
And they wonder why the country is in the state it is
The Mail's bias against the EU is incredible. There won't be this many immigrants. Don't believe everything you read.
"Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 " @Ashley: Sadly, It is the EU and not our leaders who make the rules now.
I will have a very beautiful Romanian lady cooking my xmas dinner tomorrow. She has a degree in accountancy, speaks 5 languages, has two gorgeous kids aged 7 and 4 who are bi-lingual, and has a good taste in men....she married my son........by the way.....the gypsies are called Roma, and come from all over eastern europe........and....Nu-Liebour built fewer houses per year since the 1930`s, and let in 3 million people.....that is why we have a housing problem.
I coudnt even bear to read the whole articlle. We just dont have the resources for these people. The future here looks bleak and I am seriously worried about Britains future. I'm no racist and I fully understand immigrants wanting to come here for a better life by working hard and acheiving a better stand of living for themsevles. But letting people in to claim benefits is something I cannot understand given that we are all cutting back the state of the National services etc etc etc. I will be voting UKIP and I suggest that anyone concerned by this article does the same,
politicians of all colours (though none suffer from having any integrity nor probity) are salivating at the prospect. Labour politicians see them as voters; conservative politicians see them as people who will enrich our society. Me, I'm a net taxpayer and all I see is a huge increase in our welfare bill and even more decades of less preferential treatment against that offered to incoming foreigners, especially those who come from other EU countries where they have no rights but on arrival here immediately accrue more rights than those owned by the indigencous, taxpaying population.
without a doubt it,s ukip for me,,,this has become so idiotic that there is nothing left to say,,,,,,the government does what it wants ,it makes us think we have say but we have,,nt,,,divide and conquer ,,,,,everything i,ve got i,,ve worked for ,,,,,everything this lot will get will be a result of that,,,,,,,,,,,,it,s not far from the point when we can claim discrimination because we are in the minority,,,,,,,,,,,,,i just hope the decision makers actually come from this country,,,,,but i would,nt bet on it........lib/lab/con............your finished,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2015 cant come fast enough,,,,,,,,,they should just remember too much of anything has the reverse effect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, /
This is the beginning of the end for the UK, this country is being run by EU Regs and most certainly not to the UK Regs. Its time for the govement to stop this kind of crap laws, the EU aren't paying for them to come in. Glad I am where I am
If they are going to work then welcome. If not then get lost
I was born and raised in Hungary. In all of these Eastern European countries, enering the EU has meant that they lost all their economy to British, French and German interests. Supermarket chains the most obvious example. Guys, if you want to rape and pillage the Eastern markets, you gotta give something in return.
Your comments: This article is a joke. There are only 8,000,000 (EIGHT million) Bulgarians in the WHOLE of Bulgaria - that's less people than live in London. The Roma people are a very small minority, of which many are so poor that they would never be able to even think about leaving. Oh and if you all, dear readers, lived in the conditions pictured above, you would want something better wouldn't you?
......... We have the right to settle in their country,,,,,,,, " And claim benefits because of reciprocal agreements . " ........James Mathieson , Oxford , United Kingdom , 23:52 >>>>>>>>We should be able to get reciprocal free medical care while we are abroad in Europe.........Have you ever tried to ..........?
UKIP are the only people who can save this country, they put this country first and its people.
Stopping benefits won't help, we need to close the borders!! They are not qualified workers coming here to work, they are coming for the free benefits, free housing, increased crime, no places in state schools, NHS cannot cope etc. there are already hardly any jobs in the current job market. Can we stop this nonsense before 2014?? there is no way of deporting them once they've settled here.
I dont think it will just be benefits it will be healthcare, education for free too. also I have a feeling a lot of crime wil happen aswell. im 17 and now I have read this I am very worried about my future. I doubt I will be able to afford to move to another country
By the time we get a referendum there will be so many foreigners voting to stay in that the British voters will be outnumbered.
And what is Mr Flip Flop Cameron going to do about it? Talk tough and act weak. Par for the course.
Nail in the coffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I promise you, after you see these scroungers come over here and fleece the system, you'll wonder why you ever moaned about the Poles
There is no such thing as a poor country, only poor people, a country is a line on a map. Bulgaria is poor because Bulgarians live there. I hope to god the BNP's replacement gets on it's feet in good time to welcome the hundeds of thousands of English people who will be completely outraged and incredulous about htis.
Tony Blair's dream of stuffing the UK will now come true , but where does he think his children and their children will live ?
Thanks a lot Camerliar. The British taxpayer can hardly wait for your caring PMs to give OUR money away in aid and OUR country away to these unwanted immigrants.Have YOU ever had one consideration about the British people or is it just the EU gravy train that you want to stay on. Give us our promised EU referendem because this will not end well for the Tory party.
why are people arriving univited entitled to benefits and housing - I was told a number of years ago that I would have to be evicted and wait, with my young daughter, in a b& b maybe for up to 2 years before being given a place. I was working full time and supporting myself and my daughter. Luckily, I managed to buy a house and am still working. No contribution, no housing, no benefits and they would stop coming. Better still exit the EU now. I never buy the Big Issue and certainly not from the the Roma sellers - they all have expensive mobile phones and approach with a whining tone reminiscent of beggars in India. Shut the borders and look after our own people first. It shouldn't be that difficult.
Look at the state those kids live in at the moment. They are all welcome in Wales. Even though its not much better than what they have now after de-industrialisation. We even have European priority one funding in some places just like Romainia! I may even move there!
Thanks Tony. The seeds were sown 1997-2007. This is just natural growth about which Dave can do nowt, save a referendum two years ago would have given him the authority to at least try to plug it. But even this article extols the virtues of immigration such is the fear of being accused of racism. What on earth has happened to good sense. AND don't just blame the politicians. Question Time on BBC two weeks ago with that man Self - and the entire audience applauded how good open doors immigration is to make us a more wholesome country.
DON'T PANIC. This is an irresponsible story and sensational "headline grabber" as any sensible person will realise. This will never happen so don't worry and have a happy new year
surely we must be able to stop this madness what is Cameron doing about it plus its labours fault in the first place so whats Millipede doing about it , am sure we all love our contry and we dont want these people in at all....
If the government doesn't do something about this then there will be assassinations and terrorism - politicians are ignoring the people and that is dangerous.
I rarely see such outrageously wrong and deceitful article. First of all 29 million is the total population of Romania and Bulgaria combined, which means that dailymail expect 100% of the both countries population to move to the UK? Second of all, they are talking about a neighborhood in Sofia and not a city. So there ain´t any bad cities in the UK? Third of all, the % of population that are living in poverty in Bulgaria is below 7%. Total population of Bulgaria is 7 500 000 million people, so the number of people mentioned in the article is 560 000. So you are telling me that all 560 000 will move to Britain. Well that doesn´t sound right? What is this propaganda? The problem is not in Bulgarians and Romanians believe me. I pay my taxes and I work fair, at not in the car washing industry. I really hate seeing people manipulated by the media.
I know a few bulgarians they are honest polite and very hard working they put a lot of britts to shame ..
Come on CAMERON sort it out this is DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean they are ALL coming here ? That will leave both countries uninhabited. Now there's an opportunity for we enterprising Brits - as long as we can leave Westminster behind. On second thoughts, the Bulgarians and Romanians will all want to go back home in a couple of years, so we'll gain nothing.
How can this be happening? We have enough people to support on benefits as it is with out these people taking refuge and taking our money. Cannot get my head around why they're being let here and having money thrown at them. Money that we do not have to throw at them! We've got our own problems to fix.
My hard earned wage is not going towards paying for these people to scrounge off us in the UK. - Celia, South East, 24/12/2012 09:42 I'm afraid this is exactly what's going to happen :(
There is an expresion better the devil you know people who complain about our travellers are in for a big shock!!
and that is our problem because?
GOOD GOD, CAMERON...WAKE UP!!!
This was always part of the plan for the new world order by the Rothchilde's Banking Cartel, to flood all border's with imigrant's to lessen the nationalism within and since all politician's are seduced by money and power they will never go against the grain , and if they do the banker's will fianance their opposite number's or even have them assasinated, This new world order is well under way. Next thye will takeover the earth's resorces ie middle east ect and russia they will wage a war against china and as a result depopulate on a massive scale .This is what is realy happening before you all but your mind's cant take it in.wake up.
I'm starting to think that UKIP have what it takes to run this country
These people are not going to France or Germany! How many of people can speak the language any way? This country will sleep-walk into a disaster!
Such a racist article and very misleading! That bulgarian gipsy said that in UK he will be treated like a normal person, but this article proves the opposite and more. English people all make snap judgements and generalize thinking countries like Romania are filled with gipsy`s and crime spree based on stupid articles like this and that stupid video you posted (ho directed it by the way ? Spielberg?). The reality in this countries is soo much different from the one you offen present in your articles, and the things showned in that video are not nearly true. I rather live in most of Romania`s cities wich are more cleaner and the crime spree is way less than in a jungle of a city like London, with wich you are all soo proud off. None the less there is some truth in your article, butt show the truth as it is and do not mislead you`re readers,because if i wore to make a generalization like you, after reading this article i could easily say that english people are ignorant,stupid and racist
Enough is enough, this is Britain for gods sake! I've had it with us being overrun by foreigners - Whosaidthat, Big wide world, 24/12/2012 1:20 ---- The UK has invaded other countries for centuries. Just look at what you did to Ireland. This is karma.
If your headline prediction is true, what is Dave and his merry bunch going to do about it............................ Cos you won't be able to blame Labour for this episode........................... ................................
It makes me sick to see how on Christmas Eve you put on the first page an article like this. I am a Romanian citizen, I live in London for more than 2 years and I pay my taxes, I pay rent like any British citizen and I didn¿t work one day until I didn¿t get my work permit. Why don¿t you write about how many people came from Eastern Europe and that they are working hard?!?!? Or about how many British people live on benefits because they don¿t want to work?!?!? Don¿t try to find excuses in other places! I wish you all Happy Holidays and a better 2013! Sorin
Come on CAMERON sort it out this is DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our government needs this, our government needs that for this travesty seems to be the cry in many of these posts... but let's take a good look at why this is happening: because fools who love things for free kept signing up the traitorous party Labour to ever more closer federalism with the eu.. even so much as to skulk away and quietly sign the eu constitution that was renamed the Lisbon treaty. Blame labour - they are the most despicable two-faced party in politics!
No, no, no! Stop it! We are a tiny island with quite enough people of our own and not enough money, jobs or land. I have nothing against anyone but I would not dream of moving on mass to another country and demanding benefits or working and sending money out of the country. It should be a condition of joining the EU that you sort your own country out first, so nobody feels the need to go else where to achieve a good standard of living. I'm sorry but if this continues unchecked I shall have to move away from our country as this is not how I wish my children to grow up.
The French - who are up the EU's backside and have the cheek to lecture us on making our minds up about the EU - deported many romas gypsies when it was clear they were only there to cause problems. They did this against EU and Strasbourg Law - why cant we do this! or just not let them regardless of what the EU say. Bulgaria and Romania are nothing but a corrupt hindrance on the rest of the EU, and should have never been allowed in the EU in the first place. The lefty idiots that were so obsessed with them gaining early entry can go and pay for their upkeep - these people were to arrogant to visit these countries to see how these people have to live and what they have to offer before they invited them in.
After all, it's, in some way, Churchill's fault, that the West abandoned the east european countries after WWII. All the misery these people live in, could've been saved. There was no Marshall Plan for them. They were just given to the USSR as a present. It's not only their fault, that they are Europe's poorest, so what is happening now is in some way logical.
It's a disgrace and I see it already, already arriving. Near where I live in London, neasden, I have seen countless Romanian coach/vans and cars all full of people clearly starting a new life (not tourists). Sadly I have to say 90% of what I have seen are gypsies and this is a week before its official. Disgusting
Everyone else gets help but the good, hard working, tax paying, non-benefit cheating BRITISH!! UKIP all the way!!
This has not got to happen,It must be stopped before it's too late.So now is the time for a referendum Dave. We need to leave Europe ASAP and make bigger ties to our Commonwealth countries. Failing this best vote for UKIP next time around.
It's a Police Service (not Force) that are too PC to deal with this...just as well squatting has been made illegal! They cannot be bothered ...too busy trying to angle themselves politically.
Get us out of the EU now! Enough is enough.
What a brilliant idea! We can't afford to look after all the brave souls who fought to keep this country safe in 2 world wars, yet we offer a comfortable existence to hordes of foreigners! There is going to be big trouble in this land of ours shortly. Listen to the Billie Holiday song 'Strange Fruit'. Believe me it will happen here!!!!!
I know little about either Rumania or Bulgaria so wonder why these countries are so poor? Is their climate so bad that they cannot produce crops, have they no mineral, oil or gas wealth or are their countries so badly managed by successive Governments? Maybe the Mail could have given us a clue rather than just telling us how poor people are.
Blatant scaremongering!
We do not have to accept this and that is the truth. The Government can veto this if they want to but they don,t want to its all a charade. Say goodbye to your pension and health care, wave goodbye to your children's education in fact wave goodbye to your children's future. We are bankrupt as a nation and have been politically bankrupt for over 20 years. I see no future in accepting this, I see no sense in accepting this. And the joke of a Tory party have the balls to say they are going to go with an anti Europe stance at the next polls. Get real for Gods sake because it appears he will be the only one to help us
As a foreigner myself i think this is a joke!!! Enough is enough.... I have paid taxes for the last 15 years,and someone will come and get it next year without any contribution to uk whatsoever...
I think I'll move to Britain so I can live for free too!
Correctly was to write Gypsies from Romania - Romanian nation has nothing to do with gypsies. Gypsies came in Europa from Punjab-India 700 years ago. Romanians today , are the ancient getic- dacians , thousands of years older. The name of my country is - DACIA - uninspired modified-in - Romania, March 3, 1876 - for Political Reasons -   Gypsy problem?? = Human rights .. get them and live near them. And you see how it is.
OUT OF THE EU NOW,DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN TORY BOYS
Great we are the minority more and more and I don't mean that in a racist way, they need to STOP THIS NOW !!!
You British colonised vast areas of the world, and many countries are populated with your descendants eg: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, South Africa etc. So stop complaining when you have the same happen to. If you don't like it move to another country.
Lock your doors and hide your daughters, I am off to Tenerife in a few years, would sooner deal with the unemployment and Cockroaches than this crap!
I don't like to see anyone living like these people do, but having them flood Britain is not going to solve anything. Britain's benefits system will break under the strain, then nobody will get anything. Also, our Polce forces and NHS will struggle to stem the rising tide of crime and the massive increase in demand for medical services. Social services will be swamped with child victims of human trafficking and all this at a time when budgets at already being cut to the bone. If any one group of individuals knows how to wreck this country for good, it is our overpaid and reckless government, who are playing Russian Roulette with our economic future. Those relying on benefits beware because the benefits system is in its dying throes. Welcome to Britain!
Oh bloody whoopee !!!............I give up with this totally useless bunch of idiots we have in government, I really do !!
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
I do wish the governments would sort their countries, with the way the floods are going in England halve of England could be under water in a year`s time and we will not have the space for foreigners to settle or the resources, houses have already been built on flood plains and are being flooded to support extra people, foreigners could be in for a nasty shock. they might not get what they expected.
So glad I left the UK !
For goodness sake STOP THIS HAPPENING. Ask your MP to do something, write to PM Cameron, You will not know what has hit you when they arrive. Lets not accommodate any of them in any way EU IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE.
Get out of the bloody useless Europe - they will ruin people lives and bankrupt this country!! Shames on ya useless labour for allowing to let Europe control us in the 1990s
another cheery (read fearful) DM headline. you do excell yourselves DM. Do you save these non-stories up? hope you pull out all the stops for Christmas Day itself lol. happy Christmas everyone!
I rarely see such outrageously wrong and deceitful article. First of all 29 million is the total population of Romania and Bulgaria combined, which means that dailymail expect 100% of the both countries population to move to the UK? Second of all, they are talking about a neighborhood in Sofia and not a city. So there ain´t any bad cities in the UK? Third of all, the % of population that are living in poverty in Bulgaria is below 7%. Total population of Bulgaria is 7 500 000 million people, so the number of people mentioned in the article is 560 000. So you are telling me that all 560 000 will move to Britain. Well that doesn´t sound right? What is this propaganda? The problem is not in Bulgarians and Romanians believe me. I pay my taxes and I work fair, at not in the car washing industry. I really hate seeing people manipulated by the media.
Whats Gary Neville doing 11th picture down?
Well at least I think the Goths who helped defeat the Romans and retired to northern Bulgaria are just the kind of stock that the UK needs.
Millions more Labour voters on the way. Great news for Ed Miliband and the benefits culture!
Not counting those already here. Will we see them sleeping out on the street with their families, before concreting over the green belt to house them.
Tony Blair's dream of stuffing the UK will now come true , but where does he think his children and their children will live ?
Whoopie.. More people to wash my car :)
Interesting number - 29 million, Sue Reid (the author of this article) !!! That is the population of both countries (Bulgaria & Romania) combined probably - the population of Bulgaria is approximately 7m. The gipsies you are talking about are some number of this 7m. And Fakulteta is a gipsies' ghetto but not a town in Bulgaria. You cannot identfy Bulgaria with this ghetto. Your article contains inaccuracies and it is just an one-sided story. As a Bulgarian I feel offended to read this article and some of the comments below.
Right thats me done with this country, i'm counting down the days i get on the plane and leave. Thanks to all in power that ran the country into the ground all in the name of Human Rights. In a few years time our country will look like a war zone. Well done to all that made this happen I hope you are proud of the country you ruined. its a real shame as it was once lovely.
HAHAHA!!! The end of the empire of the rotten teeth. Maybe a new pool of genes will help to change forever that ugly English rounded face. Look at the invasors at Malvinas ( NOT Falklands) and Gibraltar before complaining.
@ Les, Perth, WA: I lived in Perth between 2003 & 2008 and I'm sure that I had an argument with you then via the West Australian newspaper. It was relating to the evacuation of Lebanese during the 2006 conflict with Israel. I suggested that desperate peop
We are a rich country and should open our doors to give these poor people a better life. I for one feel richer for sharing my culture with other nations, just think how these wonderful people can enrich out own way of life.
I'm sorry, but we're full up,..our benefits are for British people who put money in the kitty and contributed to what we have that makes life a little easier here, and can receive benefits, other countries must sort out their own problems, and not merely emigrate here and cause problems by queue jumping housing, education , health and financial benefits.
In theory the 'freedom of movement' idea for Europeans sounds okay. Trouble is they all want to move here. How many British people do you know clamouring to move to Bulgaria, Romania et al?
The British government need to get us out of the EU NOW; it's time for a referendum, time to let the BRITISH people decide. Enough is enough.
This story would be funny if there weren't enough dm idiots who will believe it!
NO MORE, we need to get out of the E.U. listen carefully VOTE UKIP.....and all you do gooders can shut your mouths right up !!
most of those pictures look like Basildon !!, or if not Basildon,,, Thamesmead .....and you can see most of those people in any Iceland or Lidl ..............
shakespear said that england is a precious stone set in the silver sea. if he was alive today he would say england is an overcrowded cesspit and dumping ground for europes undesirables.....
"Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective." - PETER, LONDON, 24/12/2012 11:41 WELL SAID PETER!!!!!! Finally one sane person
Instead of turning the UK into the same kind of slums they currently live in why don't they get together and build themselves a better way of living where they are. please note you lot, the UK can't afford to keep half their own people in a decent life let alone you lot on top!
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP - NOW!
I can't believe how stupid, paranoid and xenophobic the Brits are?! Can't imagine you really buy the crap this toilet paper magazine is selling to you :)) Do you really think 29 million people are going to invade you?! If you think so you have mental problems. British press is trash! Is using only stereotypes about Eastern Europe....
they look like lovely people with high moral values and a strong work ethic.
Ah! But it was the Goths that broke the last fortresses of Rome and we await the arrival of the Gothsm ight be just what we need
And Cameron will let it happen JUST like the other load of rubbish he lets in.------ Soon this will NOT be called England it will be some other named country as there will NOT be ANY English people here .--- BUT Cameron will love it as he will get MORE votes because he Gives them ALL they want at the expence of us
Let them come but first they must pass the English language test, and NO social services untill five years of benifits have been contributed.........AB
Britain is going to turn into a cesspit,thanks to labour for opening the flood gates,just because they wanted to stay in power, and now conservatives haven`t got the balls to stop it,and they could do it,if Italy and France can do it then Britain can.Or is the government going to wait,while we go the same way as Greece,and everybody turns on each other,
I'm not paying tax for this anymore!
Primary schools will be swamped.
Plenty of room. What's all the fuss about? It's not as if we don't have enough room on the Tube, on the trains, on the roads, in the doctors' surgeries, in the schools, in the hospitals. I say, the more the merrier, and New Labour should be applauded for setting the ball rolling.
This is irresponsible journalism. Most of the people there probably won't know about the changing laws and may decide to go to another EU Member State - Britain is not the only option. In fact, Britain would be a poor option to be honest as the likelihood of social mobility is very low and the quality of life ranks very poorly too. I would suggest journalists grow up and show a little more respect for humanity.
Having looked at most of the comments, everything has been said, the British have given their opinion. If we don't come out of the EU and stop this madness many of us will vote UKIP, some will even vote BNP. I work at an establishment where 70% of the cleaners are Polish, yet many ethnic Brits who are unemployed would dearly love those jobs. It is also very noticeable that lots of Eastern Europeans are doing ancillary jobs in other places. We don't need them, so why let people into the country to do jobs that we already have too many people for?
What a hateful gullible bunch we really are. DM makes me ashamed to be English. I feel sorry for people that believe this mulch. It's like village of the damned in here. "Forget facts, I'm going to use tabloids as my source of information", that's clever isn't it. Because that's what we do when our lives are rubbish, we point the finger instead of looking at ourselves. So go ahead and prove my point, red arrow away like it's my fault that you're useless.
WILL WE PUT UP WITH IT,OF COURSE WE WILL UNTILL THE BRAINS OF THE OUTFIT REALISE THE COUNTRY IS FULL NOTHING WILL BE DONE.
I feel terrible looking at the way these people live but welcoming them into the UK isn't a sustainable solution. It will cause an increase in racial prejudice as a result of Britons being able to get less support from the British government. Looking back on history this could mean an extremist party (more extreme than UKIP - like the BNP) getting into power with devastating results. Also the UK doesn't have the wealth or resources to sustain that many lives.
I am not white but I was born here as are so many people from different ethnicities. My family have never claimed benefits, we've all been to uni AND didn't live off government benefits whislt there. We've all got good jobs and pay a hell of a lot of tax for this country. I love this country and the people in it. I feel the future is frightening for people like me. Things like this will fuel extremist views and cause an increased level of hatred towards people of a different ethnicity :( it's so scary and unfair when we work so hard for this country too. I too do not want my hard earned taxes to be scrounged away.
We need UKIP now ! If we want to save our Country we need to get out of the EU NOW ! NOT LATER !!!
UKIP WANT TO INCREASE IMMIGRATION FROM NON EU COUNTRIES BUT LESS FROM EU i would prefer eu myself
Fight --Fight --Fight--stop even just one of them coming to OUR Britain---They are definitely NOT WANTED
Time to start an English rebellion. Let take some lessons from the Aussie Boarder Control and REGAIN OUR Country...
I'm a foreigner living here in the UK and I will be voting for UKIP in the next election. I feel it is my duty to do so because nothing makes me angrier than seeing the native Brit being shafted by it's own government. It's one thing letting in people who can contribute meaningfully to the economy, preferably via a points system, but quite another when no hopers are trying to get in simply so they can claim welfare.
Let them come and let's welcome their contribution to our multicultural society. I think we should cut red tape like border controls. The shortage of homes can be solved by the abolition of all planning controls, just like Romania and Bulgaria.Any benefits can be paid for by printing the extra money.
You are so going to regret this Cameron. UKIP IN YOU OUT>
Cut the BENEFITS ..... if they cant claim it they will not come !!!!!! ......... and btw DM the population of Romania is 19 042 936 and Bulgaria is 7 364 570 , thats 26 407 506 so where did you get the 29m ?
Get out of the bloody useless Europe - they will bankrupt us!!!
Give us a referendum Mr Cameron and GET US OUT OF EUROPE!!!!!!!! How dare these people have RIGHTS to claim OUR benefits which many of us have paid into all of our working lives - it's no wonder our NHS system is suffering & we have to work longer to claim our pensions!! If they are allowed into our country, they should have to pay into the system for a MINIMUM of 5 years before they can get any handouts! I'M APPALLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he is self employed.. Why are we paying £275 a month for his flat?.
The solution is simple: Grant the right to benefits to the UK citizens ONLY. Or give them the benefits they are entitled in their home Countries. In case of Poland - that would be £92 monthly for 6 months max. And then - send a bill to Poland. Strict control on the borders is ineffective. The root of the problem lays not on the county's border but in the insanely generous welfare system. I am Polish. I arrived in the UK in 2004. I was shocked by the mad and unjust rules regarding benefits, Let's consider a British person - he paid the taxes in this Country all his life. And his father. And his grandfather too. And there I am - an newcomer. With exactly the same rights. This is just not fair! To answer your questions: No. I am not a British citizen yet. And no - I have never took a penny of your public money. I don't care what your law say about it - I think this is not my money to take, and I don't take what is not mine.
This country is getting ridiculous... I'm 25 with a good degree and nearly 4 years marketing experience... Couple more years experience and I'm gone!
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. - kaza , nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:36=========I'm in a similar position; paid taxes for over twenty years, and I still have to pay full council tax!
Dont worry folks,our nice Mr Camoron will ask his bosses in the EU if they will help out.He`s always sure he can negotiate with them for a better deal because we "are within the inner circle and not isolated",ha ha.
No one wants this - so why the hell won't the government stop it. This could destroy Britain as we know it! We must fight this before its too late!!
thankyou cameron you have lost my vote.
Yeah, thanks for this legacy Tony Blair. I'm sure you'll be fine in your ivory tower, the rest of the people you lied to will have their lives ruined if this goes ahead.
Fakulteta is not Bulgaria! British media should stop speculating with the fears of immigration from Bulgaria and Romania, although there are a few people who would like to exploit the system, most of us who are already in the UK work and pay taxes just like anybody else.
You voted against proportional representation- which means you exclusively want labour or conservative government I.e. no ukip. Sorry, but you made your choice - you pay the price.
@ Celia , South East, 24/12/2012 09:42 "We need to act now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Celia, I think you'll find you've used 36 exclamation marks. This is a common faux pas. When posting mindless reactionary responses to rabidly racist Daily Mai
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm............. Answer......... "OOH YES WE DO! (as we are entering the Panto time of the year) Problem these so called highly qualified are stoping our Highly Qualified people getting work and ending up at McDonalds or poor paid jobs. FACTs you cannot get away from it...... The Uk people are getting more and more angry at the amount of Freeloaders we are getting. If the Govenrment do not stop this nonsence then the Far Right will gain the hold in the UK... and that is something that we do not want..
l bet the governments of these countries will encourage all their undesirables to go to Britian so they are no longer a drain on them
it was interesting to read the sentence where in britain `everyone is treated fairly`. what a sick joke. mind you, it is a truism that they will be treated BETTER than the indigenous people of this once proud land.
Can Britain really afford them?
That will increase the population by a third - benefits paid out by an unthinkable amount, just what is the EU and our Govt going to do? If they don't stop this in its tracks there will be worse than anarchy, and our country will look similar to the one pictured above - June, Canvey Essex, 24/12/2012 09:43 Parts of Crays Hill already do look like this June!
Only blood sucking scum want them here. They are either the well off wanting them to work cheaply as cleaners, hotel or factory workers on the minimum wage or less if they can get away with it as many gang masters do. And then there are those that want to employ them in the trades to drive down the wages and are happy to accept shoddy and often dangerous work in return. These people will often claim that they, the foreign worker, work harder or do a better job, it is a downright lie to excuse their greed. Then of course there are those that have spent their lives on benefits who see no problem with anyone arriving here living for free as they do at the expense of the hard working tax payer.
And there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about it! And still people vote for the same Scum!
People, especially poor ones, will always try to improve their lot. In looking to com to GB, one can hardly blame them. The people to blame are the politicians financed by powerful global institutions. Such vested interests get to prosper further from such policies. More people jamming into GB, means more pressure on energy resources, housing, jobs, etc. This means higher prices for us, but usually lower wages. The big globals see their profits increase further.
moan all you want but eastern europeans arent going anywhere haha
This country makes me sick. Corrupt MPs running our country. What do we expect. We should do something about it though before its too late. Huge march to Downing Street !!!
What with this "flood" and the other floods. People being left to die of starvation in their own excrement whilst in hospital. Corrupt police and policticians. Sickness pay outs for fat, or drug addicted, or alcoholics. Homeless British families at Christmas. Retail outlets closing. Can all the hype and pride of Britians Jubilee and Olympic year all have been a dream? I seriously worry about my childrens future on this small island. If I could I think I would get out now.
The problem is we British too polite to object or protest unlike for ie, our French, spanish neighbours etc. - Lowen , Manchester ~~~~But also the insidious & furtive 'political correctness' has been employed by the authorities to make people reluctant to express their views for fear of being branded a racist. This sinister means of restricting freedom of thought is similar to the methods used by the Nazis in 1930s Germany. The government will let people flood in, & then they'll use their failed & totally discredited 'diversity' policies to force the indigenous population to accept it whilst using political correctness to control any vocal resistance. We cannot let this happen, so whilst up to now I've not been convinced by UKIP's economic arguments for pulling out of the EC I'll now vote for them in the hope that they'll oppose this disastrous immigration. And if UKIP can't provide a solution I will vote BNP ... & the blame for that will lie with the government.
Bulgaria has a total population of under 7 million, Romania has around 19 million. So my question is - am I also coming to Britain to make your stupid headline almost valid? Even if I did and all of the other Bulgarians did, and then all the Romanians all magically decide to invade you, you would still need around 3 million ppl for this sensational piece of "journalism" to be accurate. Jeez! Also, I hate to break this to you, but Bulgaria is over 13 centuries old, during all of them we have never been Gypsies. Bulgarians are not Gypsies, some Gypsies live in Bulgaria. I can give you another example - you are not journalists, people get confused because you`re supposed to be, since you work in a newspaper and stuff...
Great!! More tenants for us landlords :~D - James, London, 24/12/2012 1:13 You fool, sacrificing the British Way of life for the silver coins. May they be a plague on your houses.
The most ill-informed, badly written, xenophobic and scaremongering article I have ever read on this website. Anyone with any sense can see the giant holes in this piece of 'journalism' a mile off. Do people actually think that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come and settle in the UK in 2014 and that the government will immediately give them benefits to live on??? It doesn't work like that!!!
There simply should be a need for you or your parents to have paid income tax to a certain threshold before you are allowed to claim any ! Form of Benefit .Other than that You can enter the UK if you can prove you have employment for 12 months .Thats it no other entry or payment criteria other than as a tourist .
The solution is simple: Grant the right to benefits to the UK citizens ONLY. Or give them the benefits they are entitled in their home Countries. In case of Poland - that would be £92 monthly for 6 months max. And then - send a bill to Poland. Strict control on the borders is ineffective. The root of the problem lays not on the county's border but in the insanely generous welfare system. I am Polish. I arrived in the UK in 2004. I was shocked by the mad and unjust rules regarding benefits, Let's consider a British person - he paid the taxes in this Country all his life. And his father. And his grandfather too. And there I am - the newcomer. With exactly the same rights as he. This is just not fair! To answer your questions: No. I am not a British citizen yet. And no - I have never took a penny of your public money. I don't care what your law say about it - I think this is not my money to take, and I don't take what is not mine.
This is absolute proof that our treacherous politicians have been engineering a Civil War from the very beginning. After World War Two, there was no way they could divide us, having just defeated the Nazi Menace, now it has arisen once more in the form of the EU Menace, {same backers} The British People need to very quickly remove these Traitors from Public Office and Dump the EU straight away!
I can't take anymore!!! I work so hard, I feel like crying and pay a ridiculous amount of tax. Even though I hate paying so much I'd prefer it to be spent making this country better instead of using it to pay for people who come scrounging. Why should people like me have to pay for someone else and then be hit with a double whammy of raising the cost of everything in this country. I really cannot take anymore!! Why can't we be like Australia and America?!
Every British person has a duty to vote UKIP, get us out of europe and recover OUR country. We can't afford to look after our elderly, maintain our roads, run our hospitals efficiently yet they'll spend all our money on housing and supporting these people. SCANDALOUS!!!!
time to bail!
VOTE UKIP! We need to get OUR Britain back, our government is a complete useless SHAM!!
Still the complaints roll in about how the politicians are letting down the country and its population, AND YET YOU WILL ALL VOTE THEM IN AGAIN NEXT TIME.Please put up or shut up; YOU put them in power, just as you do each General Election and bye-Election. don't vote or shut up. When voting you know from experience you are electing a load of rubbish who will not honour their promises, will continue to sup at the trough, and will continue to refer to themselves as Honourable!!! (what a joke that is). Bobby, Leicester
They should be sent to Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy and Greece. See if they get any handouts and free housing there.
It's not just Britain... Loads of people are moving to other European countries as well with at least equally good benefits to be claimed.
how many times have we seen these examples???basically....nobody does nothing.. this story will be forgotten in a couple of days.....replaced probably by,another woman with 14 kids...
I am British. Born and bred. But moved to Cyprus to get away from the UK with it going to pot as it is. I cannot contradict myself and disagree with people moving to the UK. However, unless they intend to pay their own way by working and providing for themselves then no, I do not think they should be allowed to come and in automatically receive benefits and free housing. What a joke!!!!!!!!!
This has to stop. What does the future hold for my children?
So many eastern European are coming who has no right for this country. They had done nothing for this country, But GURKHA....? they have given their lives generations to generations for more than 200 years. They were the important people during the WWI, WWII, and hundred of thousand scarifies their life for this country. And now look at the situation, the government is refusing to provide resident permit to GURKHA family without any discrimination, and even some ministers are blaming to gurkha family. It's very shameful ...
"why don't you all protest"..............You are absolutely right, but it seems that the indigenous population, those who are left, no longer have pride in England as a Nation. The ordinary citizen is powerless to stop this relentless march of immigration. At election time, politicians say one thing and then do as they please once elected. We have become a lazy society, watching TV and many feeding off welfare benefits, with no initiative, knowing that the government will support them without too many questions asked. Just imagine what the demographic make up of this country will look like in 25 years time.
Stop blaming Cameron, this was all signed by the last government...we can't get out of it...You lefty lot have a lot to answer for..you come on here hating johny foreigner and blaming tories but it was you who voted for mass immigration by voting New Labour with Tony Blair...I'm glad they all settle in the Labour heartlands and annoy you...might make you think next time you vote!!
No, PLEASE NO!
Don't moan about it, just don't vote Con, Lab, Lib, all conspire to be deeper in the EU, vote UKIP, they are the only ones who will deal with this and the many other EU problems. In the next European Elections send a clear message to the three main parties.
So not only will they require benefits, housing and NHS treatment, they will also be using Social Services, already overstretched, resources to care for the child pickpockets, sex slaves etc that are taken into care. But Camerons too busy worrying about gay marriage to turn his attention to whats really important.
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective. - PETER , LONDON, 24/12/2012 09:41===== whats it like to be so bitter and want to destroy the nation you claim to live in
VOTE UKIP PEOPLE!!!!
I don't agree entirely with the article, I'm Bulgarian and it's true that we have prejudice to gypsies, but great number of them steal, kill and rape. This is the harsh reality in Bulgaria. We're not racists, we just try to protect ourselves. Gypsies get more benefits than any other bulgarian, because they have 10, 13 or even 15 children. They don't pay their bills and refuse to work and study. And then they go to Britain, France and Italy and harass population there just like they do here. There are very nice and hardworking people who live in Britain and do the jobs that the other british citizens won't do. I respect DailyMail, but the article represents just one side of the story. Find the nice bulgarians who work in Britain and see the difference. I hope I won't offend anybody with my opinion.
ahh so that is why they are throwing the sick off benefits and stopping people get jsa so that they can give to everyone else well thats ok then , however if this continues i think we will be having riots in the streets, we must stop now , it seems to me other countries are not getting as many in their countries as i think they ignore the eu so that is what we should do , and it is not just labour to blame as all politicians welconed this especially as it is the tories who tooks us in europe and tory bosses love immigrants because they can control them , pay them less and are not bothered about anything else as the tax payer picks up the pieces
Yeh no problem,we will of course have to build more houses to accomadate them but there is land on Dartmoor,Lake District and other national parks and if this country turns into 1 great concrete jungle perhaps the politicians who allowed this to happen will be pleased with theirselves.
Good luck to them.
Britian is one of the richest countries in the world. they can afford an unelected rich taxpayer funded royal family, war in Afghanistan, Nuclear subs and House of Lords.
If I lived in an awful poverty stricken country where there's no hope I'd do exactly the same, which is what our ancestors did many years ago. They came from far away lands in search of a better life - hence we are fortunate enough to live in Britain. Who can blame these people? Also, if it wasn't for immigrant labour, we wouldn't be the country we are today. But don't let those facts get in the way of a good rant. Merry Christmas everyone!
I stayed in London last weekend and in all the shops, restaurants, underground stations etc. we visited, not ONE British person served us however, they were ALL, without exception, extremely polite and efficient. That said, we really must do something to secure better boarder controls because the time will come were there just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone. Our benefit state needs tightening up....badly.
There are estimated to be about 6m Brits living and working worldwide. What are we going to do with them if other countries decide to repatriate them? Will they be willing to do the dirty and unpleasant jobs currently done by foreigners? Incidentally, both the French and Germans take more of these immigrants than Britain does.
The article is not objective and is quite biased. ¿ajority of Roma in Bulgaria are not accustomed to work and rely on aid from state. "It may not be enough, so obviously we would claim state help for our child and any others who come along. I know quite a lot about your country ¿ you have a Queen and a famous football team: Manchester United. And I know you would look after us." ¿hey want someone to take care of them? What about ordinary Bulgarian worker and tax payer, who will take care of him? I am 33 years old Bulgarian, work hard and pay my taxes, from these taxes state pay aid for Gypsies. I am healthy and working, thanks God, and I do not want the state to take care of me. "Not far away in the gipsy town live 25-year-old Tsvetan Dimitrov, his 19-year-old wife, Dessislava.........They met at 13, married in a gipsy ceremony, and neither has ever worked." Six years and none of them worked?
This makes me so sad:( if this is true then in a year I will be an ex-pat!!
Time we Brits left Britain then, can't see ANY joy in staying here. How long before shortages occur pushing prices even higher. We must be idiots to just let this happen, the NHS is struggling now, I dread to think what will happen when even more spongers come in. We are taking benefits away from good people and giving them to people who have never put a penny into this country. It's time we put our own first.
Well that's all we need 'innit'???? No wonder everyone's getting angry. Then if we dare say anything we're called 'racists'. I'm working on my 'escape' from this no longer Great country... I wonder if Iceland is going to join EU in 2014? I think the people there will be sensible enough to vote NO!!
This is entirely the fault of Blair, Brown, Straw, Blunkett, Harman and the rest of the Labour motley crew in power between 1997 and 2010 and their policy of unfettered immigration from anywhere, plus, having to bow to the wishes of the bureaucratic bumblers in the EU Commission in Brussels and the farcical policy of no border controls and their insistence on free social welfare handout payments. I wonder how long before the indigenous population, the English, the Scots and teh Welsh wake up smell the coffee and decide to do something about this farcical situation?
By way of balance... Whilst travelling in Bulgaria, I was caught in heavy rain, with nowhere to stay. The local gypsies took me in, gave me a bed and shared what little food and coffee they had with me. With no common language, we spent hours talking with gestures, drawings and our few shared words of Russian. These people experience the worst forms of racism in their own country, but their hospitality was impeccable. The experience was magical, and humbling.
No we are full!!!
This will be the excuse that the government needs to stop benefits altogether. No one will get the including the British and we'll all end up homeless and starving ...even the people in low paid jobs who claim tax credits.
Well, so much to say. Okay, if anyone wants to come to get a genuine job, fine, but to come here because its easier, to get handouts, live off the state? Lazy, and its unbelievable how people think these days. Have these people actively taken up to rebuild their community, regardless of the oppression they face? Have those people done anything to help the situation, and improve their living standards? Its irritating how people rely upon others for everything these days. Our government does not help, their government does not help, and of course the EU does not help. A collective effort is needed, here and abroad. If people want to live better, if not, the whole will be a slum, with pockets of wealthy areas dotted around, no one will have anywhere to go then.
This reveals the REAL agenda of the political class - Lib/Lab/Con in the UK and the rats in Brussels (SSM & other issues are just to keep us diverted). Their master plan is to destroy British and all other national identities as part of the softening-up for OWG. Tell everyone you know to wake up to this reality and protest in every possible way. Support Ukip.
Frightened, worried. ? You should be. The United Kingdom has already changed beyond all recognition, and the final arrangements are already being made for the Country to be handed over to a bunch of foreigners operating under the cloak of the European community. The trouble is I don't remember being asked if I agreed to this. There is still time to reverse the process, but it requires a man with vision and backbone, another Winston Churchill. What have we got but a Prime Minister who considers the main priority is gay marriages in church. That says it all. The British people must be allowed to shape their own destiny. We need a referendum now on withdrawal from Europe, and all that it entails. How can Cameron,Clegg and their camp followers continue to ignore the obvious.
Get us out of Europe RAPID!!! My ancestors (and yours) didn't fight the great wars to just give everything they fought for away! Your out Cameron, and before you smile Milliband there's more chance of me getting in power than you. UKIP is the only way to vote people. it's not racist, I'm not racist, don't let them tell you it is!! Vote to save these shores.
Disgraceful.....how dare they come here and expect benefits, like they've ever paid anything in to get anything out???! Go home. The whole lot of them.
29 MILLION?? Do they realise how small this country is??
If there is something to get the blood boiling its the subject of immigration.We have pensioners and families who have to choose between eating and heating yet we can open our borders to all and sundry on an edict from the EU.We need to stop this and the only way to do it is by shutting our borders.As a country we are sinking under a mire of immigration...the UK will break if it carries on....if its not broken already.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi, Maros, Romania,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What 'highly qualified people?' The British people were assured by the Government that anyone coming to the country would be properly vetted, speak the language and would fill the gap of the highly skilled that left in the "brain drain" as they called it. Instead we got every rag, tag & bobtail that Eastern Europe could muster and have wasted no time in draining our resources in any way they can so what makes you think the Romanians and Bulgariand will do any different?
Where have you been? THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:41This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim? -
That's Socalism for you.... All those who voted Labour over the years should hang their heads in shame, as you have helped to ruin this once great country. I fear time has now run out - unless the current government 'grow some balls' & pull us out of the EU quickly. If not, UKIP is the way forward at the next election.
Even more coming to bleed the benefits system dry.
Stop ! Now ! Give the UK a chance to catch up! We are not against migration as long as they contribute. Australia has it right we have it wrong! My vote now gos to UKIP! Enough is enough RW bromsgrove!!
its about time UK put its foot down on all these Immigrants when will it ever stop. the Goverment wants people to back to work so where do they find a job, and most of the people in this country can't even get a place to live let alone a job. Our NHS is so over streached. Sorry but if Immigrants come here they should only come if they have a job to come to and money so they don't have to live off our Country. Our Laws need changing
If I lived in the UK I would be votinkg UKIP. I worry for Ireland too. I wish we had a party who would stand up for indigeneous native IRISH people instead of towing the PC line :(
All vote UKIP.And lets try and do something to stop it.
Might I suggest that those who are as incensed as I am by this story, email the Prime Minister at No 10 and let him know how you feel. There are still 12 months left in which this impending national emergency can be averted; any politician worth his/her salt would make sure that it was. Are there any left in this country, I wonder?
ITS ABOUT TIME BRITISH ! PEOPLE VOTED WHO LIVES IN OUR COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I DO MEAN BRITISH LIKE ME BORN HERE .....
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.! - kaza, nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:36 are you sure i thought the same but after 6 months you simply get a different type of JSA, but the letters i got sent made it seem like i wouldn't get anything, they are just badly written.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33 ----------- What an utterly stupid statement. Of course the majority of us have no issues with skilled, qualified people who have secured employment before entering the country, they will be paying tax and paying their own way. What most people object to is people arrive en mass with no skills, no qualifications and no intention to work at all. When you know that people are coming over because they just want the benefits without turning their hand to anything it's hard to feel any sympathy towards them. I do agree that a referendum is required and that to leave the UK in the EU solely on a trade contract would be far more beneficial to us all.
This Christmas count yourself Lucky as you sit in your warm home, eating your warm food, drinking and then climbing into your warm bed. Not everyone is so lucky - have a bit of compassion! Its up to the government to control this better, but these people are just like us, the majority of them want a better life for themselves! Who can blame them!
With our overstretched services, especially police this will result in Armageddon. We MUST end this EU farce NOW before its too late and slam the doors closed
Oh I feel sorry for you Britain!! Hope they don't come here!!! We have enough as it is!!
We should welcome them with open arms after all we are GREAT BRITAN. Put them in Buck Palace, Windsor Castle I'm sure Liz wouldn't mind. English people are such hypocrites and I'm ashamed to be british
Benefits should only be available to people who are born in this country.
dont half make you bloody mad though, i look after my mother who is 92, i still have to try and struggle to pay my mortgage on carers allowance as i cannot get any help from the country to pay it, and these people will get more than i could wish for. its a bloody stupid country is this.
EU has been good for Britain that's what i keep hearing...Well let me tell you from an everyday normal Britain on the street, NO IT HAS NOT been good for us!! we are so over populated, our services and schools are over stretched, 50% of our housing going to immigrants and jobs, what jobs i could go on and on but what i don't hear is any benefits of us being in the EU not one... When this lot have free reign God Help Us no he wont that's why me and many others will have No option but to vote Ukip they are the only party that will get us out of this mess, no im not being racist just real we cannot afford this anymore....i long for the day we get out of the EU... I Want My Country Back
I really do worry about the EU and our participation in it these days. We seem to get the rough end all the time and the benefits... Well I dont feel they justify our membership any longer. It is not the EU we joined, and perhaps a referendum wouldnt be a bad idea?
We need out of the EU now. Please spare us from the latest influx. Enough is enough!
I am of Gypsy ancestry myself, welcome to the UK where the ones who don't work do all the complaining on their alleged taxes as you see in the article and comments.
maybe, when all these people bring this country down to the level of poverty and sqalor of the country they left behind, they will go back.
It won't affect me as they'll all head to London lol
I dont understand how we can afford this. I have payed tax all my life and struggle to keep my family afloat. Child Benefits and Working Tax credits have been cut, cost of living has went up and more than ever before we have people who dont have money to put food on their tables. How is it possible to let in more people in such a vast quantity and give them support? and they want us to be capped at 3 kids maximum in a family. If they can afford to do this I would same get producing or we will be in a minority
The monstrous EU are trying to turn this island into a dumping ground for the people that they dont want, we need to leave Europe and every corrupt thing that goes with it before our society disappears under an avalanche of imported rubbish.
Vote Bnp. The ukip are not the answer to our problems. The Bnp have warned us of our current problems for over a decade. The ukip are just imitating the real deal. Everything the Bnp predicted has come to pass. When will people wake up.
They must all be turned back. We're full and not welcoming.
Diversity is our strength..... said all the corrupt Politicians.
How the hell can they claim benefits when they have never even contributed to our economy????? I have lived here all my life and worked and paid taxes and I haven't had a single penny from benefits since 24th September.
They should only let people that vote for us in the Eurovision into the Uk... In other words no one ;) they don't like us and if they're gypsy's they will just cost our useless government event more resulting in further cuts. I would have no objection if it was hard workers ready to work long hours at a cheap rate but let's be honest these people will simply sign up to the benefits system at first opportunity. This is why UKIP are needed because they are the only ones with the back bone to get us out of the EU. Well the BNP does as well but only fat white shaved headed men who are homophobic would be left in the country if they got into power which would ruin Britain even more.
This is very sad indeed. More fool us for allowing it
britain is the dumping ground for the rest of the eu countries, cameroon clegg, milliband/blair are traitors to the country,
Really no need to worry - shoals of white middle-class industrious As and Bs are moving out to make room for the newcomers..
Argh
This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim? - Yvonne, West Midlands, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:41++++++++Where does it say, as you imply, that we are going to take in 29 million? Don't bother replying. I'll enlighten you...........it says 29 million have the "right" to come to Britain. "NOT" that they "ARE" coming.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33==============YES WE DO. I am so sick of immigration and I want it to stop. These so called high qualified people should be helping their own countries out and we should be employing our own people.
DC please get onto this, ASAP. I know you had a stupendously huge mess to clear up, and that it's impossible to deal with all of the mess at once, but you've got to learn to PRIORITIZE properly. Meanwhile, Bliar and Gordon the Moron should be put in prison for what they've done to this country. It will take years to undo 12 years of pig's swill legislation, apologies to pigs, who are better than the last administration.
coming to another country isn't the answer, it won't make the situation better for those who remain the problem needs to be tackled at source. the government of the country needs to be confronted possibly by other governments. i have news for you Mr George, we are already full up, we can't afford to support people from other countries with our benefit system.
Only the politicians of this country seem to be unaware of the obvious. Nice to be sheltered from reality eh?
Without a REFERENDUM this will be the Death Knell for the three main parties.
Englishmen are crazy to accept such a proposition. We must stop it at all costs! We must also do something about all those foreigners who now live in England courtesy of the EU! Why have Englishmen let the rot set in to such a great extent? Why are there so many otherwise unemployed foreigners on the streets of England selling the Big Issue! If Belgium can expel them why not the English? Probably because so many of those politicians in Parliament today are not of English stock and would rather eraze Our Culture and Our Heritage. The answer must be in the short term to forget the Liberal Socialist agenda and Conservative agenda and join UKIP enmass
How dare this Government seek to pick on the people on benefits many who have paid into the system! Then open the door to these people who will take and take and cost us god knows how much in NHS costs etc! If this Governemnt will not take us out of the EU then the people need to do it. We all came together for the Wedding now lets do the same for this country. Never before has the words "your country needs you" meant more than it does today!
Urgent letter to all MP's and stop this EU fiasco. We cannot borrow money to fund the EU scum.
Luckily I will be leaving this country in about a year's time. I sincerely recommend anyone else to do the same and never look back at this sinking ship once known as Great Britain.
When will somebody in this Government get a grip on this immigration mess, What a crazy Government cutting peoples Benefits and public services yet ready to give millions away in Benefits and houses to these people. It wont be long before our hospitals and other services are unable to cope, free for all other than us.
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.! - kaza , nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:36 So what are you and every other moaner on here going to do about it? Absolutley NOTHING, that's what. This is what we do now. Most of our lives are relatively comfortable and we don't want to do ANYTHING to put that in jeopardy, just in case we lose out tv's, our holidays, our cars etc. What we suckers don't get is that we will lose that anyway if we keep burying our heads in the sand. This is how it works, and the politicians know and rely on it.
These pictures are clearly from some of your inner cities. In fact, I see some of your politicians on the horse cart.
By the time Cameron has finished with this Country there will be nothing left for anybody. The day when the number of people working and paying tax drops below the number claiming benefits is so close that you can almost smell it. When that happens, millions of people are going to have one hell of a wake up call when there is nothing left to pay them with,
The British people have never agreed or signed upto open borders, they did not get a referendum unlike other countries. Some eu countries even got two chances to vote. This was done to us by the labour gov who did not feel it inportant to get a mandate from the uk people. Is it then valid? Can it be challenged? They also signed us into future bail outs etc. the British people at the time made no fuss but quietly accepted it. Why? The press also made little of it at the time. We were not educated into what it really meant for us. It was quietly pushed through unchallenged. What was distracting us? Now it's all signed & sealed the people are blaming Cameron. Abit late in the day. Why have Lab never been challenged by the people as to why they forced us into the eu? Why does every tv discussion seemingly include presenters & members of the public who are all pro eu, when polls suggest different? How many really want out?
Thanks Tony
I don't blame them. Ultimately, they want to improve their way of living with the least amount of graft. They are only playing a rotten system. I blame the politicians who put the system in place and ignore how detrimental it is to Britain.
Time to vote UKIP for me, soon to be ex Tory.
I keep on sending this comment: don't pay out benefits, other countries don't. Why does the UK?? If this stops, so will the flood.
Will the last one to leave Britian please turn off the light
I really don't understand why we are in an EU that includes people who are so different from us. Why don't we create a Northern European Union? Draw an arc from Ireland to the Alps, to include the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Dutch and the Germans. People with - in the main - similar moral values and a similar hard-work ethic. What a super-state that would be! Not only would it dominate southern Europe, in time it would dominate (economically! I'm not advocating old-fashioned empire-building) the world. Watch out USA and BRIC, the Noropeans are coming!
If they havent paid into the UK tax system, they cant claim benefits, the same as in every other EU country. The only thing theyre entitled to use is the NHS, however i think this is wrong they should be forced to have insurance until they pay into the system.
Got news for them, there are plenty of people in Britain who can't afford anything either, the dentist costs a fortune here and benefits can not physically keep being paid if the working population ends up less than the benefit takers because us workers are going to say stuff it and go on benefits too.
FYI, Bulgaria and Romania together have less than 26 mil population. Not to mention that the gypsy population of Bulgaria is about 4.5% of the entire population, in Romania - 8%; less than 2 mil in total. And while the article pictures the worst of it, it is far away from the truth that all Bulgarians and Romanians just can't wait to leave their homes for the Promised Land. If these people ever come to UK they will work the jobs that none of us wants. On another note, you probably have an idea how many retired people from Britain move to Bulgaria, where they are welcomed by the local people (remember Miss Margaret?). And how many of you have gone to a ski vacation in Bansko or Pamporovo, or to a summer holiday at the Black sea? Please, stop blindly believe in such populist articles, and do the maths yourselves.
VOTE UKIP at every election or say goodbye to prosperity and your country . Not voting is a vote for the disastrous status quo . Think of your children .
Cameron will let them in, house them, feed them, pay them.,it won't hurt the top 10%, under Cameron's command they don't pay tax, the 90%, will pick up the tab.
The History Man,Tours,9:32.....How very right you are.
And this bunch of amateurs who are currently running the country will NO DOUBT welcome them with OPEN ARMS!
I guess we shall have to find another half a million part time jobs which will amount to half losing full time status here already in work and then find the money to pay for all their housing needs as the wages will not cover the rents which in turn will rise as their is a shortage of homes anyway . At least the police will be too busy listening to phone calls and reading peoples mail to react to actual crime giving us reason to pull out of the EU, but not until after the horse has already bolted No wonder the police are mad at politicians
Outrage but what can we do?? Anyone speaking against immigration is labelled a racist, and that has serious consequences in this country.
12 months to get out of the EU. Cameron you have been warned.
Thanks Tony Blair for ruining what was once a "Great" country!!
U K I P will get my vote at the next election
Sorry folks Cameron is too busy debating gay marriage to do anything about it,NOW is the time for a referendum before it's too late to save what's left of this country
"Look at the state of what they are wanting to get away from. If we let this happen our once grand little country will soon look the same way thanks to them. - sbr, essex, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:23" Clearly you have not visited some of the less well off areas of this country; you can find areas that look worse than those AND without the nice cars, well dressed and healthy people. if those are Romania's poor, they are much better off staying where they are!
THEY WANT TO WORK but no one will give them jobs? ...well they can start workig on that s-hole they call home and maybe than someone will take them seriously!
And all because we are in the EU. I feel sorry for these people and the way the have to live but that is there governments problem. If we keep on taking more immigrants and paying out benefits we will soon be in the same boat. Get us out of the EU, stop paying benefits to non British born people and stop immigration now. The EU is killing this country and our PM who lives in his luxury home does not have to live with it. I pay my taxes to help Britain not foreigners.
It shows the success of the EU that it's citizens are grubbing around rubbish tips to find food. We should ignore the rotten EU and close our borders. There WILL be a real uprising here one day and the fault will lie with the likes of BLAIR, CAMERON and the rest of our gutless leaders
An influx of new voters - nice one Dave......................
Reading this article makes me feel sick to my stomach, and so angry. I work bloody hard, pay my taxes, all so immigrants can move to my country and live off the state?! Get us out of the bloody EU!!!
People do you even know that the population of Bulgaria and Romania combined is not even close to 27 million people?! This is a false information here! Whats more in Bulgaria there are around 500,000 gypsies and I dont see anyone getting Scared of them! Whats more I do not see you getting scared from your own gypsy community which is bigger! And one more thing ask all the british people that buy houses and live in Bulgaria how the country acttually is!!! :)
GET OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Im asian. im 25 years old. 3rd gen british. My grandfaher worked on a british ship for many years and was given the right to live in the uk as a young man. My family has always worked hard and paid taxes. i dont think its racist to say that i dont want an influx of immigrants coming here and putting more pressure on what is already a stretched housing and benefits system. im sorry but its getting out of control.
It's time we made Cameron give us a referendum to let us out of the EU. Then send all these spongers back where they came from. Surely it "against our human rights" to have to put up with them being able to claim homes and cash from us without putting anything back in to the country. We will have slums just like the ones they came from because of their low way of living. We have our own country to think of and our citizens who need schools, a health system to pull back together and pensioners living on subsistance levels to care about. Their country wouldn't let us go there and enjoy the benefits their people do here!!
hi,our british nation.s birthrights/culture sold out by our cowardly politicians who did this behind closed doors starting with ted heath,we are to become the dustbin of eastern europe whose gvts cannot or willnot provide for their own nationals,our politicians will deserve whats coming to them for these gigantic changes without the publics consent and for taking their 30 pieces of judas silver from the undemocratic eu merkel/barrosa soviet clique in brussels,they run the uk now and we just cannot cope or make ends meet now,we have lost our own country,it,s unbelieveable i know but fact
What the hell are they doing to our country. millions waiting to come in getting everything for nothing. we the people have done everything by the governments books and its got us no where. we worked all our lives payed terrible taxes. now as pensioners we pay more and more. Im ashamed to be British. they should hold their heads in shame. . Im too upset to say anymore. they will never be forgiving. for what they have done to us and our soldiers who died for this rotten country too.
Stop saying vote UKIP, if you do you will get a Lab victory. This has to be handled in a totally different way. I suggest that you ALL write to your MP and tell them that they have lost your vote. Then we might have to consider a day of action that hurts them further. I am all for UKIP but vote carefully or more immigration under Labour.
And if we DON'T allow them in, the EU is going to do....what exactly? Huff? Puff? Blow our house down?
If Cameron can not stop this fiasco then all MPs should hand over there second homes to these people and see if they like what is about to happen in their neibourhood?
So much for the common agricultural policy that's where it all started from, that ONE referendum which has been changed more times than there are penny's in a pound by the politicians of the day to land us with an over populated island full of foreign nationals who are here purely for the benefit system, what an invitation come here and the British taxpayer will pick up the bill and like idiots we are we put up with it, but our politicians never had the sense to state that benefits for EU migrants would be the same as the country there were leaving, now there is only one problem to overcome get out of the EU and fast otherwise we will remain in a permanent recession for decades, we have been sharked by our own politicians and they know it most people know it, insists on a referendum now in or out.
The final nail in Coffin UK... a complete breakdown of society and all the services that go with it, another influx of millions of people and a rise in once curable diseases will leave this country a wasteland because of the fascist EU monster, they want turn the UK into a dumping ground and clean up Europe.... referendum now cowardly Cameron.
I agree, bring back strict immigration laws like Australia!!! I do fear it is too late however; White British are officially London's minority! This is wrong. I'm sure if we do see benefits being cut however, these people will steal, destroy and cost the Government more money in 'sorting out.' Erghh, Labour has a lot to answer for!!!
Right Camerloon lets see your metal!!!!
None of our spineless politicians can do anything or don't dare. They are a bunch of useless mouths to feed. They have no power and are a world laughing stock!
Good. Let them come here - no child should live like that......no child asks to be born and why should some children be rich and lavished with gifts while others have nothing and empty bellies. The world is such an unfair place - while your children are eating chocolate and opening hoardes of presents, there are children in this world, as innocent and precious to their parents as yours, and they are starving. Literally dying in front of their parents eyes because they are so hungry - can you imagine that? Could any of you really imagine how confused and terrified a 'starving to death' child is? I wonder if it was happening right in front of us, and not a few thousand miles away, whether we would all close our doors and feast as heartily this Christmas.
The Gipsy situation is a self fulfilling prophesy. For generations, Gipsy families have been excluded from most services offered by their home countries due to prejudice. Lack of education, social services and jobs has left these people desperate. Even today, a strong prejudice exists against Gipsies (which I have witnessed first hand). They are perceived as lazy thieves who are unemployable and are not to be trusted. Putting yourself in their position, what would you do..... continue to live the life you have with NO future or move to somewhere that you will have a chance to improve your life, feed your children, get access to the basic services that we take for granted. But, Britain can't cope with the problems we already have, another influx of immigrants could be our undoing. The government needs to go to source of the problem and demand all the Eastern block countries start dealing with the problems THEY created.
If the only benefit of comming out of the EU was to stop this it would be well worth it.
A human being is a human being, like any of us they want to do their best for their wn families,who can blame them, just look at them conditions
You just couldn't make this up, I see Romania & Hungry have now anounced a ban on all EU nationals from owning land from 2014, discriminating against EU citizens in land purchases is a treaty violation.
Ah you don't like it now? It's fine when you have articles on Greece of kids that are beggars and you present them as Greeks when they are actually gypsies from Bulgaria.
How come there are families here homeless but this lot will come to England and get housed at an instant complete with all the benefits and all their rent paid. Wished I hadn't read this, it really aggravates me.
While some of the facts are correct in this article, the headline is definitely misleading: " 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits." First, the population of Bulgaria is 6.5 million and Roma people art not more than 0.6 mln. The article does sound xenophobic and tries to scare UK people into believing that their identity and social benefits are endangered. As a matter of fact quite a big number of retired Brits, as well as young entrepreneurial Britts have settled in Bulgarian towns and villages, enjoying a friendly attitude by the local people and a standard they can not afford in their home country. While there is a problem with ghettoisation of Roma people in Bulgaria and the issues of crime and poverty are real (although poverty is not limited to Roma people), it shouldn't be forgotten that historically Roma gypsies and other "undesirable" ethnic minorities settled down in Bulgaria, driven away by other countries.
If i was Prime Minister this country would be so much better, first of all every person not born British would be out of the country, if they were claiming benifits!
We have record number of food banks, NHS ready to collapse treating immigrants bringing in diseases long since eradicated from the Uk, benefits being cut, housing in crisis and schools trying to cope with upwards of 200 languages and what are we about to do? Import millions more. This is a disgrace and we should be storming No. 10 and screaming at Cameron to get us out of the EU but what do we have ? Silence ! When many more families are starving in the street and hospitals have long queues of British tax payers standing outside waiting for treatment in A & E whilst the beds are full of non-paying immigrants, perhaps then when people are desperate enough, riots will start. The sooner the better if it changes things.
is there any point in saying anything,the powers that be are just not listening
'Isn't it a bit disgusting Daily Mail, that by spreading hatred to those and other countries you capitalise on them at the same time? And don't tell me you only criticise immigration policies, majority of readers will hate the very people not policies, of which there's enough proof here, you know full well what you're doing. I hate Daily Mail, and being red arrowed here is a badge of honour to me.- Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 23/12/2012 23:58*** I feel the same about articles spreading bigotry and fear mongering, love those red arrows. I didn't know whether to add to your 303 red arrows, to add to the merit of your badge or Green arrow because I liked your comment so much, I red arrowed you, that's what I would want, had I written what you wrote.
How lovely for the DM to show such hatered and xenophobia at Christmas! Papers should really be more aware of their influence on public opinion and know their history! This is how started the 2nd world war: high unemployment, trying to find the culprid, racism and xenophobia. It ended end with war and concentration camps (which included romany gypsy by the way)
If this is allowed to happen then we really are through. Simple as.
Brilliant, we are short of housing, never mind the British tax payers will not mind working to fund the benefits and handouts, We have plenty of empty Lay-byes,were they can set up camp,
This has to STOP NOW
this will just sink our country, what good will it do bringing us down to their economic level, bankrupting all EU countries is not the solution surely?
Scare story at best. As if the hinted 29m are going to go racing through Europe to land on our shores, the first chance they get! If they can't afford clothes and food, then pray tell, where are they going to get the money to land on our shores? Bribe who with what money they don't have? Walk thousands of miles? Ignore the Scandinavian benefits system which is more generous and fairer than ours? Swim across the channel with their kids tied to their backs?
This makes me SO ANGRY!!!!
What a rude, racist article.
Something for Britain to look forward to, glad I'm out of there.
these are the poor I am losing my child benefits for?
I bumped into Gordon Brown while I was out there.He was holding a forum on how to claim benefits.He pointed out many with children could claim up to £100.000 per annum.I can only assume Brown despises the British taxpayers and wants them all impoverished.
GAzza - Mr Cameron had nothing to do with this. If anything this occurred on the watch of the previous Government - Brown, Blair - remember them? Sagic, Hull, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:18. Yes, I remember Blair and Brown, and yes, I know they set us up, but Cameron COULD give us an in/out referendum, but he won't, so he has everything to do with it.
This really makes my blood boil. With the Government knowing this is coming and doing nothing about it whilst simultaneously taxing hard working British citizens to the max you have to wonder how much longer we can put up with it. We need to stop this Chinese whisper that Britain will look after you and pay for you no matter what. The article mentions a time when 'we will be full up'. That time has been and gone yet we still welcome people here with open arms. I am not heartless, and it is sad to read of the children and their stories but the entire EU community need to take responsibility for this, not leave it to the UK.
THIS and the economy is what the government should be focussing their attention on - not Plebgate and where gays can marry. Apart from financial aspects, how will housing, health and education cope? The country is flooding already because of having to build on flood plains without alternate drainage, so we can't just keep building on green land. From what we saw in the Olympics, Hyde Park might as well be renamed Bulgaria Park. "Tolerance" is wearing very thin. We REALLY need to make this country less attractive to immigrants - firstly by drastically reducing the benefits available. Not legal? Doesn't seem to bother other European countries to break EU law when it suits them (which for France means most of them)!
Daily Mail, shame on you to induce fear of an invasion from the East. You show pictures of Gipsies and name them as representative for Romanians and Bulgarians. Daily Mail reporters and editors, you use stereotypes. In response to your ignorant message, any stupid tabloid in the East could show binge drinkers, drug addicts, pedophiles and say "they are the English, fear them". Daily Mail, you encourage xenophobia, totalitarianism, ignorance. When you will suffer, you will know what you did - articles to stigmatize others. - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 9:05 **************** You might be right Victor, but we're not the ones threatening to come to your country and expecting to be looked after for nothing. Our country is being flooded by people from all nations expecting, and getting, handouts. The isn't why we joined the EU. We are, and always have been, a nation that helps others but we're now at breaking point. The working population have had enough.
Do not mix up Bulgarians and Rumanians with gypsies.Even here in the UK you call your gypsies(gypsies born here) just gypsies but not Brithish ,how you call this double standard?
Thank God that I am emigrating in January, to a staggeringly beautiful country with strict immigration rules and a population of only 4 million. I despair about what has happened to this country. I now feel like a stranger in my own country, being white and English and English speaking, it now feels like I'm in the minority in London. I just don't recognise England now, it is so different from the country which I grew up in. Don't think that I will ever return. Most of my close friends are doing likewise or have already left.
I am so glad I got out of the UK it gets worse by the minute, will the last one to leave please turn out the light - Biñan Kid, Laguna_ Ph., 24/12/2012 1:19 Click to rate Rating 1958Report abuse Makes me laugh when you guys criticise immigration by saying I have had enough im moving to X Y Z country, well maybe the country u want to move to the people might not want u there 'ruining their country' so if anything ur no different to all them. british expats who move abroad in search for a better life and prospects. same thing thesr bulgarians are doing arent they????
Tighten up your owns laws ! Stop blaming others .Without Europe , UK will be stuffed!
You can't blame people for wanting a better life, who wouldn't do the same. Brits have moved all over the world to better themselves. However, we can't feed the world - our system can't take it and where other countries have strict entry criteria to protect their welfare systems, we do not. We need to focus on looking after who we have now, we can barely afford that. Hopefully UKIP will have saved us from this come 2014.
Please ministers of the UK, please stop these people coming here. It is crystal clear these people will come for benefits and housing. Pull out of euro union. We are unique in Europe because we are a member of the commonwealth and have ties with the USA, so with have a good network to get working immigrants anyway. PLEASE STOP THESE BULGARIANS AND ROMANIANS COMING HERE!
We are all human and all of us want a better life. Brits also leave for other countries where they think they will be better off. What's the difference? The negative DM commenters here are, as usual, a bunch of easily incited hypocrites.
Will this government be preparing for them by building more houses. There are not enough houses for our current population, more homeless than ever. Or will these migrants bring their horses and caravans with them. Regarding benefits, they should be paid the same rate that they would have received in their homeland. We cannot afford them, we cannot house them, and we no employment for them. Merry Christmas to all!
NO - they should not be allowed to have benefits and all should be for those that are born here and paid UK taxes. Only until been here 10 years and made a valuable contribution should be considered for it. They will get everything I guess - thanks MPS! more waiting time for NHS etc also lots of illnesses that were almost eradicated here TB etc will be back it is growing already. If France and others can deny them access why on earth can't we?? We are a tiny island we will sink soon - stay where you are and make things better there it is NOT a Golden Paradise for everyone!
STOP GRUMBLING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT-VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT WILL GET US OUT OF THIS MESS.
People do you even know that the whole population of Bulgaria and Romania combine is less then 27,000,000 people?! What a stupid and false news! Cannot believe people are actually falling for this! Open your eyes!! In Bulgaria the gypsies are aroun 500,00o people and noone is afraid of them. I do live in the UK and I do not see you complain of your gypsy community which is bigger than this one in Bulgaria!
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams , Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Easy for you to say as Australia would not let 99.99% of them in as they would fail the points system of your immigration policy. Yet you have a country of 2,969,907 square miles with a population of 22.7 million, compared to England which is 94,060 sq mi and a population of 63,181,775 (not including the illigals that labour and tories do not know or care about). We are one of the most densly populated countrys in the world and the average paid worker can no longer go on paying for immigration, we are all broke and this wave of people we just can not afford to let in to the UK, theres no money left or housing or health care going spare. This is not immigration to escape a war, its economic migration they want to come here and get hand outs and its just not acceptable.
Where the hell did you get this outrageous number?? 29 MILLION?? That's the population of both countries combined!! And I'm saying it again: those people are NOT ROMANIANS(or bulgarians), they are simply called GYPSIES! - Ana, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 10:20 That's what they meant. Every citizen of Romania and Bulgaria will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. It's just that most (if not all) of those citizens will be gypsies. From what I've heard our gypsies usually go to Germany seeking political asylum. Almost all of them are sent back but then they pack up and go (and stay) there illegally.
FROM MY CYPRUS CORRESPONDENT: Cyprus has an awesome amount of unsold property, like Greece and Spain. This was all funded during the credit boom; before the 'crunch'. The Cypriot government is making a special offer to none EU buyers. Buy a flat and your whole family become EU citizens, passports and all. We all know how big these extended families can be so it's easy to scrape together €100, 000. Of course they don't stay here. The flat is put up for holiday lets and the new 'Europeans' head for London. I first noticed this because the estate agent's signs were written in Chinese and Russian. I asked around and it's an open secret here. I'm told that the citizenship offer works so well that Spain is to start doing it soon. HAPPY CHRISTMAS !
Tell the ones who want to come here that there will be no benefits, no housing and no free health care and they must have a job to come to.
I still apply my simple test when deciding whether continued EU membership is a good thing - can you think of one thing that membership has improved for you or, for the Country. So far I am failing to come up with anything but perhaps others can. Now think of all the things that have got worse as a result of EU membership - strangely enough here there are multiple things that easily come to mind. Unless David Cameron gets off the fence and acts decisively now, it will soon be too late and the UK will be overrun.
Stop calling everybody eastern Europeans. These two nations are Balkans. Nobody calls Italians western Europeans, do they? Because Italians are medetiranians, like Austrians and checks are from central Europe, Baltic nations are northern Europeans and so on...
I don't agree people should be given money from outside uk but wt ppl need to understand is -- they are only gypsies because there government says so- remember they are from the EU as are we... Because we are part of EU this happens ... The people incharge of EU made these people like this by gradually cutting their help over time- just like what is happening here untill eventually nothing is left then we have to move else were, untill were all left in one place and it is the right time to attack and depopulate -- we are ruled by these ppl who make these laws up.. It not Cameron- he just gets told wat to say- also If I said who u vote for wont matter (would you think ludicrous ) yes probably but it's not as they are picked in advance
Cameron will want the artificial boost to GDP from immigration just before the next election (just as Blair and Brown did after 2004).
It's a classic "not on my doorstep" situation as much as I don't want them here, I actually feel sorry for these people, especially the children. Many of them have never had a chance but coming to the UK wont fix their problems it will just move their problems from one country to another. I honestly think we should have a point system in the UK. like Australia where only people who have skills that are needed are allowed to come and work here.
the political scum have sold us all out, very soon their wont be any jobs for the school leavers and the infrastructure will just buckle under the sheer volume of scroungers all having a free ride at the expense of the tax paying Brits, Yes these treacherous political elites have a lot to answer for
We should of got out of the EU years ago, but as we keep being told, its good for the country, and if you complain, your branded a racist.
It's Christmas- a time of peace and goodwill to all men - but the Daily Mail is stirring up hate again - shame on you !
That's it. I'm off
I'll be at the airport to welcome them all with open arms.
Bobby George has had seven fights in eight years as a pro, not even progressed beyond six rounders, he also manages himself, and at 30yrs old is going nowhere. What he does is a ticket to welfare, what he gives to this country is nothing, he is a taker that our system allows to be here.
To those saying why don't we get off our backsides and protest - if we do, we're labelled BNP/racist/bigots. You dare not speak your mind - even in private. You can lose your job, you may even lose your children, as a family recently did just for supporting an anti-immigration party.. We don't have free speech in this country any more. So we must accept these freeloaders, and keep silent. And to those saying Labour allowed this, not the present government - fine. But what is Cameron doing NOW to stop immigration? Oh wait, that would be nothing.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 You are so right, this is what we need to do.
When they kick people out of their under occupied houses, there will be some room for them.
In Rome they hunt in packs and pick you pocket. In Britain there is no need for them to do this cos the government give them the money.
UKIP would stop this Any Brit with a brain will vote UKIP. They are our only hope to save what's left of Britain
so, the genuinely disabled, old and infirm of this country are to have their benefits removed to pay for Romanians and Bulgarians? nice on Dave.
Great Britain.....GREAT for everybody but us British, sick to the back teeth of it all !!!!!!
To be quite frank I am getting sick of this country and I cannot afford to get out so I am stuck! I receive benefits and not because I want to but because I have to and I feel disgusted with myself for it. Unfortunately I was made redundant while pregnant and my husbands security job is only on a needs only basis - this is all we can get at the moment, between us we have applied for 300+ jobs to no avail. I live in Newcastle and the job scene is practically non existent. Where are all these people going to get jobs? Ooooh yeah that is right, benefits is a life style choice here... duuuuh. Sick of all these immigrants coming into this country and draining the benefits system, jobs and homes. Our government needs to listen to us, get us out of the EU and start putting their friggin foot down, enough is ENOUGH! 2014 onwards will inevitably see the migrants population outweigh the native Brit - absolutely shocking! Government should be ASHAMED!!!!
It's Time to Flood the Tunnel
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! It is tieme to get out of eu nowwwwwwwww.
To all you do-gooders, swivel-eyed lefties and hand-wringers who would like to see 200 million foreigners in this country, I suggest you read the article about hard-up pensioners in the money pages. You will also find that the usual ploy of calling people a racist because they disagree with your skewed view of the world does not work any more, it is purely a matter of numbers. UKIP the only way forward now.
Come on DM get in the spirit of Christmas and get some seasonal stories on instead of miffing off the UK population
Why blame immigrants. Its the global capitalist you should be blaming. Once again a typical meek and timid response from DM readers. No wonder the immigrants laugh at the Englishman behind their back lol.
It's over UK..the world is changing. If you go to Italy now days all the cooks making pasta are Chinese..street cleaners are Indians. Same thing happening in Korea.. workers from Bangladeshi, Sri Lanka etc running our factories. In 2001, when I've made a comment during an ITV London interview that Chinese will come to Britain en masse and will want to marry your daughters. The intervew ended very quickly. Migration like osmosis from South to North..a historical reality in human history taking place now all over the world. We can only hope that our higher human spirit prevails.
Out of the EU now!!! We're told there's no money for future pensions and will have to work ever longer - while we allow those who've never contributed to this country full benefits. We cut our services to free up extra money for these people, it makes you sick. Enough is enough!!!! The working people pay more VAT and watch their pay packets decline, public services are cut back while bankers and immigrants take everything. This has to stop, and it has to stop now - enough damage has already been done, and we need control of our borders back.
So lt me get this straight Dave. They have to cross Hungary, Austria, Germany then a choice of France, Belgium or Holland to get here. Why can't they stay in one of the other countries? It seems that when the EU wants the "soup kitchen country", they choose ours. Some harmonization.
All of you who voted for the big three in the last election are responsible for this. All of you who will be voting for the big three in the next election (about 98% of the same people) are responsible for this. Make a stand and vote UKIP
Camoron is determined to ruin this once great country. I'm starting to think these morons running the government have had their brains removed and are being controlled by remote control by drug crazed aliens from the planet zog for their version of a tv reality show - gazza, Stockton, 24/12/2012 01:19..............This is being done on purpose to run down our country so we are unable to fight. Therefore the EU will win. We are too much of a threat if we stay strong. They are trying to strip us financially in everyday they can.
Why would Tony Blair do this? What was his motivation? Anybody would half a brain could foresee it.
Well, I am leaving this country in July thankfully. They wont get any of my tax money for sure! The big Issue I only buy from the real homeless and that goes for when I now and then give money or buy something to eat and drink to someone who begs on the street.. All this makes me so sad, but I can not let my child grow up in a country who puts immigrants BEFORE it's own people... R.I.P Britain.....
I just love to watch England implode from afar its called karma!!!! - shann , barcelona, 24/12/2012 08:58----------------- Yes, because Spain's doing so well, isn't it? How you must laugh!!
Yes you are all welcome to come here its a great country to live in. We the british people welcome you all, we will build you new houses out in the country and a new flat screen tv. We will give you plenty of money for nothing and you can even top this cash up by stealing and mugging us all. Don't worry about going to prison our judges don't like locking you up. Our hard working tax payers will provide all you will ever need. And you can trust our government to do everything in its power to make sure your human rights are well looked after.
Yes many immigrants have come here in the past and many helped to make GB but these were the ones who wanted to work hard and got nothing and would be rare to have criminals amongst them and in the very early days before benefits THEY WOKED OR STARVED TO DEATH.Have you notced to that clever lot most smoke and drink hard (just when we are trying to stop our own for many reasons nhs and crime we are inviting them in what a ---- joke we are).
Surely the point of the EU is that countries are able / expected to deal with problems like this, improving living standards and social deprivation, not exporting the problem?!
The people in controll of all this situation- the ones incharge of the puppets meet up once a year- in secret- they called the bilderberge group guys!! Angela merkel has visited, tony blare, Obama, yes turner, Henry Kissinger, David rockerfella- they need to be stopped before more wars start and then they can realise the new world order- which already I can see unfolding infront if my eyes!!! Won't happen- people will succeed in the end
It's Christmas. Do you have to print such Xenophobic, RACIST stuff today and tomorrow? There are a lot of them in France, but not 29 million! . . . Well said. Potential migrants need to be aware that there are equally unpleasant attitudes apparent in this country too - suggest they avoid looking at the Tory press.
Absolutely ludicrous! We didn't want to be part if the EU in the first place! Bring on the referendum!
We must be stark raving bonkers to let our politicians do this to us.
Broken Britain is almost here. Sad really
All those people defending the right of immigrants to come here will be the same ones complaining about the benefit cuts. Mindless idiots who can't add up. Be careful what you wish for, the disappearance of a welfare state !
Time to shut our borders , batten down the hatches and pray for the so called promised referendum
You have got to be kidding me people get off your backsides and do something write to your MP, protest VOTE UKIP don't let this happen Britain will vanish with out a trace if this happens trust me. Fed up tax payer with a Japanese wife that had to pay to stay in this country and cost a lot in visa fees for what ! once i got enough i am out of here this is getting a sess pit everyday the UK. Thanks Tony lier and call me Dave the lad the most silly man on this earth , I for one will not take this the way this country is going there be more crime and more people need more houses and more land , do you think we can cope look around now people.
If you do not have a job, a sponser (an employer) & money in the bank then you do not get in, if you leave your job or get fired then back you go. No one should be allowed to come into this country & claim any kind of benefit not even child benefit until they have been living & working here for a few years (min 5 years). Shut the borders until we sort out the mess Blair started & cameron is continuing.
Bit of a racist title and scaremongering article daily mail! Poor Journalism!
Oh god, I can't wait
When are we going to take to the streets? Now is the time, is there any planned large country wide street marches coming up? If so what date we will be there. Vote UKIP.
I mean, I look at these pictures and think no one should live like that. But do we really have anymore room, we are making cuts here, there and everywhere. Do we really have the resources for this?
This country has become a complete joke, it's horrible to feel like a foreigner in your own country.
The world is going mad ... good luck :)
I am all for different nations being in Britain. But only if they have a trade.. Or have some money! I'm sick of paying for all these people. It's disgusting!!!
DM keep this in your front page till the brain dead in Government get it . Remember how our clueless Government and Straw said only a coach load of Poles would come over ans we were swamped with 2 million Eastern Europeans .
The Daily Mail supports the Tories, and a vote for the Tories (as with any main party other than UKIP) is a vote for further uncontrolled and unhindered immigration
Austria and all other western countries had similar problems in recent times, with many immigrants flooding them from the East. The initial boom has abated and the situation has evened out, with many professionals also among the "immigrants" who now work in, for instance, UK hospitals. However, if they cannot get jobs, then don't pay benefits, and get them to move on. On the other hand, have you considered that they do the dirty jobs your countrymen look down on while sitting at home on benefits and moaning about immigrants? That's a thought, too, but you will no doubt find it easier to red arrow me.
fred, denia, Spain Plain wrong - look at the official count of how many have come here. Add to that 3 times as many who got in here unofficially!
Sorry, we're full!
We dont needs these people.
To stop ever increasing numbers from the EU wanting to come here, we would have to stop benefits completely for everyone, as are benefits being cut now. How is it fair that people that have contributed to the system all their lives, now have to sit back and watch their safety net being taken away by a government who hasn't the guts to get us out of the EU ! Benefits should be for the British and people who have paid in for a limited number of years, not for freeloaders who wish to come here and live off the backs of our hard work ! The EU should be sorting their country's problems out for them in THEIR country, not allowing them to be imported into our tiny island. UKIP is the only answer for us.
We need to stop all benefits, close the doors to the UK and lock em down now. I am sick of supporting euro trash left, right and centre, they have nothing what so ever to contribute apart from take take and take and over populate!
I want to vote UKIP but also have my concerns about that party now too!! All I know Is I don't trust labour, conservative, or libdems - I want to go for MP yet have another 6 years to go-- but looks like that will be far too late ... Not like I can change anything anyway lol !! The people at the end of this will come through- after we go to war again and have no money left, no more bailouts- no medical- no school- only people with mortgaged paid for, good jobs that are safe and the rich will be okay- the rest if us not a chance!
NO! This has got to stop! We have had enough. There are already less and less people working to support those already on benefits. Working people are hard pushed to support themselves let alone millions of others who have never contributed to anything to this country.
well is that not what was said last month to relax the building regs so they could build new homes for thoses immigrants expecting to arrive in the next few years? perhaps now is the time to slap regulations on benefits i can see mr osbourne needing to save at least 100 billion off the welfare benefits if this is allowed to happen or perhaps all those whom want us to stay in the EU should adopt and pay for those arriving if they want them here let them pay for them why should poor british workers subsidise non british citizens
Bulgarians are not moving to England. Relax! Living in BG is much better/cheaper than England. Ask the English expats living in Bulgaria if you don't believe me ... - Star, in the sky, 24/12/2012 2:48 Instead of automatically red arrowing people you should check the truth...it IS much cheaper over here, that's why we live here :-))))
The answer the government are bound to come up with is to get rid of all of us over 60 plus saving millions having to care for us, pay pensions and care and all hospital needs and at a stroke release more than enough housing stock to accommodate them, God help us as no one in parliament has the guts or inclination to do anything but wring their hands and mouth pius platitudes saying their hands are tied by Brussels.
And whats worse Cameron and Clegg believe these new arrivals will increase prosperity for the country as it will completely destroy the minimum wage which is a TORY dream come true.
mr cameron you will go down in history with blair and brown as one of the people who destroyed the united kingdom we the people will be your judge and we will judge you harshly if you destroy our land and our culture change direction now or we will destroy you
I am British but have lived and worked overseas for the last 10-years. I would love to come back, but cannot justify it as the country is a total and utter mess caused by 13-years of absolutely disasterous Labour rule and now further compounded by the weak and spineless Lid/Con coalition. Over the 10-years I have been away the quality of life for native Brits has declined beyond belief and all my friends are depressed at the state of country, caused by total the mismanagement of the economy, unfettered immigration and the creation of a benefit scrounging , free breeding underclass.
That is what our politicians signed up for, these people want a better life i'm not sure they will find it in Britain at the moment but we cannot blame them. We must also remember the thousands of Brits that live in other EU countries like Spain who will be kicked out if we pulled out.
All these liberal minded do gooders will eventually rebel when they find income tax and other taxes are pushed up more to pay for more benefit scroungers here. The day of reckoning is fast approaching for these 'soft in the head' thinkers!
I was against Scotland going independent, but may be forced to change my mind. Blair has a lot to answer for!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 - If we do that we will be locked up and labelled "racist" . It sounds daft but it's true.
Simple question. How/where are they going to live when they get here and how are they going to travel if they are so poor? Surely the solution would be that some of the monies we are pouring into the EU is used to improve their living conditions in countries where they live already, speak the language and understand the culture rather than having them uprooting their familes to an alien land. Where I live there are already sufficient of their families selling Big Issues and begging and pleasant as some of them are how many big issue sellers and beggars do the Brains in Brussels think this country need?
Am pleased that I do not live in the UK but feel very sorry for you folks that work so hard and pay your taxes etc but for what to keep other's in benefits what is the matter with the Government as someone says why do people not protest literally bring the UK to a complete standstill that may be the wrong thing to do but where on earth are they getting all the money from to pay the people these benefits. 2013 will be a very grim year and not just in the UK - pedro llamedos , Sunny Spain, Spain, 24/12/2012 09:10---Writes a man whose country is on the verge of returning to third world status, and which was only lifted out of it because of European money that cannot now be repaid back because Spain's political leaders couldn't run a flag up a pole, and of course its people who were swept along on a tide of easy money. Perhaps we are not much better but at least we can set our own interest rates and ditch our politicians. Spain like Greece and Italy have to do as Brussels tell them.
The next generation to lower once again the working wage. Britain is a basketcase, thankgod I am an Ex-pat
"I see the British are expressing thier Christian love for thier fellow man" - this country is a joke, we cant even look after ourselves, we need to come first, dont let them in full stop, if you are an immigrant, on the dole or single mums - you get looked after. Do what the Australians do, send them packing back on a boat
Britain is the dustbin of Europe and in time will be a ghetto of areas harbouring different cultural groups , bankrupting the Country from hand outs and benefit,s as the benefit system is totally abused., and ethnic British will be the minority.
Sorry more interested in gay marrage
can i just ask.... why britain?? the south of france is much nicer!
Merry blooming Christmas
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 1:14 And you think USA is any bette?, then you are in fools paradise my friend.
My heart goes out to these people. Their own government should be helping them People will find anyway to survive and if their government treated them fairly and tackled racial abuse they would not need to steal. We have no more room here but the PM should be sending advisers to help . Have compassion on this ancient race of people.
Why is it our problem that there own country refuses to help them? Why should we open the floodgates to an already stretched system, we are buckling under the strain of so many that survive on welfare. I fully support helping those who can't fund themselves but there has got to be a limit, perhaps if immigrants didn't have the right to claim every benefit we wouldn't have this problem
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not in favour of benefit cuts but I do propose that there should be a 5 year residency before you can claim any sort of benefits. That way you'll see a drastic drop in immigration, a drastic drop in funds going out and the economy would become more sustainable.
I feel for these people but I am worried of the price we have to pay for this. We work hard, we pay our taxes. Our country is struggling enough and is over run as we are, never mind more people living here. I am not against people making a better life for themselfs but we are stuggling ourselves to make ends meet. It seems far to easy for people to move over here and it is worrying the goverment have no idea of how many Immigrants we have here already.
I have worked since the age of 20 after being at college. I would love to be a stay at home but am am not allowed to claim anything. Never have been. I dont know how british people do it let alone foreigners who just turn up! Life is so unfair for honest people. Am missing out seeing my son during the day because of the likes of these who sit on their butts all day, probably smoking and watching Sky!
The people mentioned in the article are of Roma gypsy descent and not Bulgarians. DM and scare tactics again. There are 8 million Bulgarians and as I write thus I am sitting in Plovdiv visiting friends, none of which have an interest in coming to the UK.
it doesn't matter if not everybody wants to come here, there's going to be a time when Britain is over populated. we're tiny compared to a lot of other countries, we'll start sinking soon :(
UKIP is the only way,but the sheep and the fools will vote for the usual.Get used to it,or get out,because things are only going to get worse.
Not to mention the hordes of prisoners freed from their jails.
You can't blame people for wanting to escape their hellish life and for thinking their best chance lies here in UK.
Just watch the UKIP rise in the polls.
I'm so glad I'm jumping ship and moving to Australia!
We should all move there.
Why are people complaining?...According to our political elite (who won`t be affected by this), we, as a people, will be `enriched` (whatever that`s supposed to mean...)
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world.
Send them to Germany let them pay.
The Government aren't listening! nothing is going to change ! so whats the point of getting yourself all worked up and voicing your opinion on here!! I like many others do it nearly every day and get so frustrated that I feel not one of them is listening or caring about our views!! we are wasting our time! this god forsaken country is going to be a third world country by the time this Government is finished......I'm done getting myself all strung out!! ..............just wish I could move to a country that dose care about it's citizens.
Welcome to walk over Britain, a once proud country slowly being reduced to rubble by its political correctness and our membership of the EU
is it any wonder why we are sinking in floods,over population.just a thought
This government only tackle people from outside of EU, but not Inside of EU's. It can be seen that this government is lack of Control, and no wonder the tax payers money run out. Yes we are in EU, but we should have policy that mentioned people come here from EU can NOT automatically get BENEFIT !! They want to come here, asked them to do voluntary work for 8-16 hours a week, either street cleaning or etc, The law of course can be change, as the claimant in the UK can't get it so Why people from Bulgaria and Romania can get it. If this happen be prepare for more criminal. "Norway's foreign minister has urged the UK to assess the advantages of staying in the European Union, rather than consider leaving." source BBC.==> I would love to say to Mr. Eide No thanks. We definitely want out from EU.
Why the angst? It's going to happen and there's nothing you'll do about it. At least when your children ask, "what did you do about it?" you can honestly say, "Apart from writing to the DM, I did Nothing."
Oh help!
Even more reason to move away! France here I come! - Matt Wallis, Derby, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:22. ******* you really don't see the irony of your statement do you.
My utter disgust about this. UKIP cannot come soon enough. Why is our weak government so stupid?
When will mainstream politicians stop listening to all of these left wing pressure groups that have limited support among the working class and much of the middle class of this nation. We need someone to stand up for the rights of the majority. The working class, heterosexual individuals with British values (regardless of ethnicity).
We have enough scrounging ne'er-do-wells already. I don't care what race, colour or creed people are, but I have a strong avesion to ciriminals, idlers and scrounging timewasters of any nationality. If the cap fits.... GET US OUT OF THE EU SHAMBLES!!
We heard the same rubbish about we would be flooded by millions of Poles.It didnt happen.We are a multi racial country.Not a facist dictatorship The DM really is scare mongering again
Why can't we have a system like I.O.M?(who are not members of the e.u) where you cant claim any benefits until you have lived on the island for at least five years, where by you have to pay into the system before you can get anything out of it....
Er what?! No! Turn around and go back! I'm a 19 year old with no future because you are letting in so many people who aren't welcome! Sort yourself out UK!
I'm so scared of the future especially my dayghters. Britains benefits should be for British only or people who have paid tax ?? In other countries they don't pay tax- so they're supposed to have extra money- the countries that are a part of the EU that are poor, rioting and have gone bust. Well guess wat!! That's us in the next 5 years because of people incharge can't keep ontop of looking after there own people... These people get called (gypsies). Americans are gypsies then. The land of the world is owned to all the citizens of the world. Yet we need rules, orders, tax, war more tax- then benefits cut, NHS, school, police and fire. Let more people to claim money we don't have.. Even though Britain and America are classed as one if the wealthier country- Were not- were one of the poorest. As countries like Libya. And Kuwait owe no money out, all there banks are state owned and they have gold. Unlike us who have hardly any gold, no money just debt :/( doesn't look good to me
So the end of the World didn't happen in Dec 2012..... but for Britain it will happen in 2014 and looking at these pictures, it will be just one big slum.
its time to dual our governments people!!! ITS TIME TO STOP THE CORRUPTION AND TAKE BACK OUR LAND. ITS TIME TO STOP THE GOVERNMENT MUGGING US EVERYDAY AND USING OUR ARMY AND POLICE AGAIN US
Anyone stopped to consider why the wicked Liberal Democrats have been so keen to push through a bill making street trading legal without a licence so that street traders can set up any where and canvass anywhere. Here might be the answer given their love for mass immigration to the detrement of the indiginous population.
My son visited with his British partner and the partner will never come back as it is. Why allow this to happen because your poor will be out on the streets if they are not already
. . .and the government will do absolutely nothing, give all these scroungers what they want (although we haven't got the proverbial pot) and then they will say we have to build more houses (even if we have to build on green land). The time is NOW to stop this farce.
If EU regulations allow EU citizens to live in any EU country, why doesn't the EU pay their benefits?
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
Perfect of Dunfermlin- they arent making our country "greater" they are a drain on our health services, housing stock, job market and education system. For citizens that have paid contributions all their working lives into this "great" country to see it being spent on imigrants that turn up for a handout is sickening
Remember this paper you are reading are scare mongers of the highest form. Don't believe every thing you read, especially from this paper.
This spineless Government makes me sick!!!!!
Well my British counterparts, blame yourself,s for this. If you voted Labour over the past 15 years, NO excuse, you cannot even blame ignorance. If you voted Tory you just have been let down by an idiot of a so called leader. If you voted Liberal did you ohonestly think they would be better than Labour on this issue. There is only one party left and it is now even to late to make a change for the better. For the record I voted UKIP, so inpart my conscience is clear. My country has had it. THANK POLITICIANS. Another good job done.
Soon it will be a b****y offence to call yourself 'British'
stop giving housing benefit to immigants....look after our own first...simpe rule that can be applied by the government. This in blair/brown/millpedes fault.
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
Scaremongering again are we DM, What about your story on the winner of Christmas number 1? Oh you forgot ok i'll remind you. 3 days ago you stated it was neck and neck, Now the Justice Collective have out sold your golden boy James Arthur. How could it have been neck and neck on friday when we have sold more than 43,000 more copies. It seems he doesn't have the Xfactor after all ha!
LAB/COM/LIMP DIMS = DESTROYED THE UK = SOARING MEGA TAXES TO PA FOR THE MESS .
Welcome to mugs UK.
UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP..... need I say more !!
Regardless of where they come from, this country is already full no room for millions more. Time the government said 'enough is enough' How right I was to vote against joining the EU in the first place.
These are the countries I remember putting 20'p pieces in smartie tubes for when I was at school....seems funding them is continuing, except this time it is on our own soil!!
Stay put. Don't want ya.
Sadistick leaders who agree to this then go on a photo shoot with smiles looking for the next vote oblivious to the wishes of the people ...
My blood is literally boiling.
Take a good look at those pictures Britain, because that is the future Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg have decided shall be yours. UKIP seems to be the only political movement that may possibly save us from this ignominious fate. However, I fear the price we will have to pay will be terrible as the last time a party offered the salvation of a national identity it was the start of something very nasty indeed as the pendulum swung from tolerance to hatred.
Let's not be ridiculous. Bulgaria's population is 6.5 million out of which no more than 500k are gypsies. I hardly doubt they all will be interested in coming over to the UK. And worry no more! There always be benefits for the chaves!
This has to stop, so aggravating.
SORRY! Britain is closed, goodbye!
Yeah lets just take some more of the tax payers money and get them all new cars aswell!
In a word were just a free for all for all the european imigrants,how about we sort our own country out first before worrying about other countries ... work me self to the bone to provide for my family now have to help fund too feed these freeloaders..
Great i have been thinking of leaving England for a long time but this as just made my mind up for me, not staying here working 18 plus hours a day running my business just to pay Tax to give to them.
Im sick of this. I SAY "DONT LET THEM IN". Britain cant cope even with things as they are....God help us in the future.
I don't have a problem with immigration but if 29million do come in we'll all be smothered to death. They should go somewhere with more space, as if they come here we'll just get more unemployed people and more mouths to feed.
As per usual we will allow anyone to move in to this country even though we cannot look after the present population! For goodness sake, we are a tiny little island and cannot take any more. Why can't we stand up for ourselves? Oh, I get it, if we did we would be branded racist, wouldn't we. Bonkers...
This is so unfair to people like me who have moved to England to earn an honest living. I've moved from Portugal to England for a better life and I've done everything right. I pay my taxes, I'm NOT on benefits and I have a full-time job. DM is SO sensationalist, most of the foreigners I know are honest people who work for their living. Please don't put us in the same category as benefit seekers. We're so much better than that!
Vote UKIP
"But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens." >>> They are too late. We can't afford them now. There is a huge amount of space in mainland Europe that could be used to house these people if only their own governments would put in the time, money and effort. We don't have the space and we don't have the money. Already in Scotland the number of people on benefits is greater than the number of non-claimants, and the rest of the UK is not far behind. We would need to build houses for them, when many of our own people have nowhere to live, taking more and more land. These countries should not be admitted to the EU until they have sorted themselves out, and there is no way the UK should be doing that for them. If this continues I fear there will be a civil war in this country the like of which has never before been seen.
How xenophobic and racist is this article? I have no words
All the time Britain 'GIVES ' out benifits to 'NONE' contributors, this is what you will get. Everyone will get cut-backs so these people can help themselves, AND they will end up BETTER OFF than you. THIS is why we left England 8 years ago. The government might be concerned about the number of people leaving England - but they DON'T LISTEN to WHY !!!
I am shocked to read the many unkind comments here. I am sure that most people in the UK will remember that this is the season of goodwill, and prepare to welcome these romany folk warmly. I have traveled to these countries, and you could not hope to meet friendlier or more down to earth people anywhere.
The people get the government they deserve... Unfortunately, the vast majority of chavs don't care what happens as long as they have their X Factor and their benefits. The rest of the population (the middle classes) are struggling so hard to survive, that the only thing they have the energy to do is moan about life on the Daily Mail comments pages.... IF you want things to change, get up off your backsides and hold mass protests. Don't take it all lying down. This is YOUR country. Its up to YOU to march on Parliament with petitions so that the poor excuse for a conservative government has to sit up and listen. Learn from the Americans. They don't take things lying down. If you can't be bothered to change things, put up and shut up! Either that, or emigrate.
No! No! No! This cannot be allowed to happen. If this was a time of War and we were facing an invasion by people who would unacceptably change our way of life beyond recognition, we would stand up and resist. In terms of consequences, we will be at War. I will live next door to anyone who substantially believes in what I believe, who contributes in the way I have contributed to the community for over 50 years and who respects me as a neighbour as I want to respect them. That is the only way to stability, peace and harmony when we live as a goup, a community and a nation. To lose control of our borders, to hand over that control to a group of people in Brussels that I didnt vote for or want dictating to me is unacceptable. And it has already gone too far.
Same old ignorant comments I see. It's such a shame that some people are too ignorant to realise that without immigrant labour we would not be the country we are today, furthermore, our very own ancestors migrated here from faraway lands to search for a better life - hence we were lucky enough to be born here. But hey, don't let those FACTS spoil a good rant! Happy Christmas everyone!
Im being made rudundant next year, i will NOT be looking for work. After working since 1975 i figure i can put my feet up since our governments all seem to think the whole world can come here and get free houses etc etc etc. I am not going to work so as every scumbag in the world can bloodsuck, my father worked til he was 80 and was rewarded by being ignored and left to die in hospital...governments want to use you until you drop then youre in the trash.Stop being sheep and wake up.
We haven't got the land space to accommodate them, we haven't got the jobs for them, we haven't got enough tax to pay benefits for them. They WILL come here, thinking they can live off our benefits system - and they will be able to. This will turn out to be a genuine disaster for this country, which will result in massive pressure from the indigenous population to pull out of Europe. I think popularity of UKIP will increase and any party that refuses to hold a referendum on Europe is probably not going to be elected.
Fantastic article-- deeply moving. I had no idea of the extent of child slavery in the UK. Not only do you chart the potential impact on the UK but you also look at the oppression these people face in their home countries which, we should not forget, are EU members. Where is the EU in this? We abide by their legislation but why are they not acting to ensure these member states abide by the rules on equality and so on. Scandalous-- the Eurocrats should be all over this. As ever, one rule for the UK and everyone else just goes their own way
oh great !!! we are stretched as country already with not enough housing, schools and hospitals are struggling, we as a country are having to expend, costs are going up, its going back to the days of only the rich can afford certian things like cars,its going beyond the joke, the other eu countries do`nt take them in like us,so why are we still playing at being MUGS!!!
This, if true, must not be allowed to happen.
¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ Bobby George, that day is already upon us. Benefits are being cut, taxes are rising and there's still a whopping great big deficit to fill. Does ANYBODY truly think we, as a country, are in any position to accept potentially millions of unskilled, non-English-speaking, proven criminals? The Bulgarians' seem to possess this naïve belief that Britan is some sort of magical land where nobody struggles and money grows on trees... Their hopefulness for a better life reminds me very much of the Eastern Europeans who, a hundred years ago, ventured from their homelands to follow the so-called American Dream. However, what they were setting sail for was a land of opportunity where they could succeed if they were willing to work damn hard - not a Benefit in sight. EU referendum, please!
...I'm sure that this is why all the FAT CATS in this country who are now getting payouts / pensions and bonuses ect. and feathering their family nests are getting ready for when this country finally goes down and ends up as a third world nation... They will be off on the first plane to another country and get out before total anarchy sets in... Democracy - what's that all about ? - didn't we used to have something like that ?
No doubt the government will be issuing statements on the lines of "let's celebrate" while they line their pockets and make more laws to prevent criticism of mass immigration. Vote UKIP for some sanity.
Oh dear .
As an American all I can do is laugh at you Brits. Now you see why we can't give up our guns. Makes sense now doesn't it.
One way ticket to Australia please!
DM the thrust of what you say is true and your warning is timely. I know Bulgaria well.
It's Christmas - we should welcome everyone!
there is no way in this so called democratic country to protest.
I think these EU and Government freaks forget that the UK is an ISLAND! How much more space do we have to accommodate more benefit scroungers, criminals and undercutters. It's a shame because they make a bad name for the individuals who genuinely come to England for a new life, a safe country to live in which is what I am doubting about the UK in recent years. when I defected from the Soviet Union over 20 years ago, the UK didn't want former Soviets in their country, they treated us with suspicion and some contempt due to possible security breaches, now thanks to the EU, it has become the EUSSR. Maybe if the immigrants integrated into society and respected the country they live in maybe they'd be welcomed more. I remember an embarrassing moment when my mother's name was asked, Russian of course and when the person said, you're in England now luv, when in Rome (and rightly said) afterwards we Anglicized our names. These days that person would be vilified for "race descrimination"
This is ridiculous. We should open our borders where it helps. WE already have so many of our own home growns on benefits, this island is small and will not be able to take the extra drain on our resources. This is not being prejudiced against people being persecuted (well we are the Western world and want to help) BUT Europe is big, why is UK the only easy border to get into? Why cant they go anywhere else? because the other countries, namely France, Germany are clever and have STRICTER controls
.... And a merry Christmas to you too, Daily Mail....
Parfect, Dunfermline, just wait until you break free of the UK. You can have all your MPs back too. England, Wales and N.Ireland will just buckle under this sort of pressure. There are those in the E.U. who will secretly be delighted. Europe is quickly becoming the New Africa. And I am and will be, "A dense UKIP voter".
When I married my English spouse and came to the UK from the US, got a job, started paying taxes and NI straight away, my entry clearance and subsequent indefinite leave to remain stamp said "without recourse to public funds". Which means although I had the right to stay based on marriage to a UK citizen, I did not have the right to benefits and have not claimed any at all for the 13 years I have been here contributing to society. Before anybody red arrows me for immigrating to here I also have recent English ancestry as well and am now a British citizen. The problem with open door policy and giving benefits to all and sundry is that the money doesn't stay in the UK for the most part, it goes back to the originating country to pay for their families there.
What we need more desperately than anything is a change in benefits/housing policies. We do not give benefits of any kind to anyone who comes here from europe as they must have the potential to earn their own. For those who do get them now they must be halved and if they cannot speak english then until they do they get nothing. The are not entitled to our social housing. They must be able to afford to rent their own houses. Harsh? Yes but this country is sinking under immigrants who contribute nothing to our country yet seem to get priority to every benefit going, no questions asked. We can't afford any more immigrants in £'s, houses, jobs, ground space. So for god's sake Cameron do something now before we sink under the amount of immigrants wanting to come here. We need to make it so that when they talk of Britain its to say 'we can't go there we don't get anything anymore'. We are turning into the equivalent of a rubbish tip. It cannot be allowed to happen.
I can understand they are poor but why they do live in a such mess? They seem throwing around all the waste. They have no money and jobs so they have some time to collect all the things in one place.
I for one am looking forward to sharing our countries immense wealth with these Gypsies. I want to work an extra day a week to pay for them the poor mites. Never mind about my pension or benefits I've bought through 40 years of graft - give our money to these parasites please so i can be destitute in my dotage. Tony Blair new labour are the culprits - every one of them should be prosecuted for the willfull mismanagement of a whole country. I hope they get what they deserve but it doesn't seem likely so we will just have to pay the bill as usual. And by the way to the fool who hopes Scotalnd gets independence with any luick.... The english have been praying for that for years - at least that way all those parasites coming from eastern europe will just be replacing parasites we grew ourselves.
If anyone reading this is still voting for Tories, labour or lib dems then you's are part to blame for this, it's pointless complaining if you had a hand in getting these idiots into power, we knew about the problem of immigration years ago but people carried on voting labour or Tories! Well hope your proud of yourselves. UKIP is the only way we can start and get control of our country back, we need to stand up to the euro bullies and say enough is enough we re not going to throw money at immigrants no more so pointless coming to Britain for an easy life! We're full sorry! The EU is a joke, done nothing for Europe!
.Hey SHANN IN BARCELONA, WHO LOVES WATCHING ENGLAND IMPLODE! Muppett, Spain has ten times more Romanians living there than the UK and its more likely they prefer to live in Spain for all its problems, so Barcelona will be high on their destination list because of rich pickings and a nice warm climate. I can hear them all singing were off to sunny Spain Viva Espana in the slums of Bucherest and Sofia now!
these people surely have no rights as to claim benefits when coming here, after all, they've paid nothing in.
The Madness of UK will complete, It will not be the country yourFathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers faught for. If Cameron cant stop this madness the GET OUT and lets have someone who can, before bankrupcy and racial divisions explode
And crime rates will rise in Britain and the government will wonder why! I'd like to know how joining the EU has made Britain a better country, my experience is that crime has one up, parts of Britain are now no go areas and jobs are hard to come by. Welcome to this mess we call Britain.
It's really depressing reading the top rated comments. You people are just so miserable. I sometimes think the country you're talking about must be a different one to the one I live in as the descriptions are just so different. Yes there are many immigrants around but all the ones I speak to on a daily basis are lovely, hard working people full of life and happy. The only miserable, sponging people I know are single white mothers puffing on their fags and cluttering up the tables at the local Costa's all day. The amount of comments from people who have moved from the UK to the US sums it up really. If you really think that the way the US treats it lower paid citizens is the moral way to live then I'm glad you've left this country. Leave it to those of us who want to help people who help themselves rather than putting them down.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self.
We should go to Romania when they all come here as weather is better people are less miserable than here as well!
Remind them to bring their own tents because we've got no housing to spare; they'll certainly have their own begging bowls.
once they are here that's it they will be here to stay.and the government just bang on about gay marriage and "Plebgate". FOR GOD's SAKE WAKE UP DAVE AND DO SOMETHING.
Surely we cannot afford the subsidies any longer. We are going to drown very soon.
More votes for NuLab.
...I'm sure that this is why all the FAT CATS in this country who are now getting payouts / pensions and bonuses ect. and feathering their family nests are getting ready for when this country finally goes down and ends up as a third world nation... They will be off on the first plane to another country and get out before total anarchy sets in... Democracy - what's that all about ? - didn't we used to have something like that ?
UKIP
See the pictures of the slums and wasteland they now live in .... well that will be Britain in 10years time!
Is UKIP the only answer???
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash! - Tesa, Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 1:13 I didn't realise that Australia was part of the EU. Where do you pay your taxes ?
If you were not born here you should not be entitled to benefits and should not be allowed in. Why should we subsidise people from countries who can't be bothered to look after their own? Of course we will let these wasters and criminals in, the benefit/NHS bill will rocket whilst the government reduces the number of doctors, nurses, police officers and border agency staff to make the books balance.
And anyone who dares to complain about our already overburdened utilities, housing , schools hospitals etc will be branded a rascist because after all it is the bloody foreigners yewman rites. Innit. So much for multiculturalism, what happened to our rights.Cries of " England for the English" will get YOU arrested by the hate and thought police now. Come the riots and it will all be our fault. Look what happened in the States in the 60s-70-80s.
Politicians don't tell us it won't happen it will, the question what can we do in less than 12 months to stop it, because after that it is irreversible. Our country is full, we don't have enough housing or jobs for our own young people and the tax payers can no longer carry on paying for the over generous benefits system.
See the pictures of the slums and wasteland they now live in .... well that will be Britain in 10years time!
Now is the time to leave the EEC and close our boarders!
Daily Mail spreading its message of love as usual
VOTE UKIP, because if they don't get in and end this madness, then the UK is royally screwed.
Makes me wonder why Brits ( and other foreigners ) buy property there !
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! - Luke, England, United Kingdom-----We aren't signatories to the Schengen agreement and no the French haven't torn it up. But no, we shouldn't allow people to come here unless they can support themselves for two years without claiming benefits.
this is blairs fault.if cameron wants to get in the next time then he had better stop it now.
I don't think they will be coming here! because if Cameron etc have not got our borders secure by 2014 god help them.
It's simple, just make people pay into the system for 5 years before they an claim from it
If we were out of the EU we would not have to suffer this- Joe 90, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02................. when did the Indian sub continent, Africa or Asia join thje EU then? - for that is where the majority of immigrants into the UK come from! If the UK stopped giving 'free money'to those who have not or have never contributed - like almost every other EU country - then why would anybody want to come to the UK!
Wow What a shame i am Bulgarian and i am from Sofia....where are the real bulgarians?Gypsies here are favoured believe me...this is not Bulgaria....we are not all thieves and so on...
When will this government listen to the people we need to get out of the EU NOW I agree with "Grandma from Brighton" i went to live in Spain, jobs are given Spaniards first , no help in benifits, and if you go to the local Doctors or Hospital you are told to bring an interpreter with you, OH No not in UK this is all given freely. Get real I often wonder what our Queen thinks when she sees her country rapidly changing and more forgeiners living here than the British for that is what is happening. Mr Cameron if you don't do something quickly UKIP will win the next election.
Oh no!!!!!
It is time for all of us; every man and woman of UK citizenship, to lobby our MP's and to take the trouble to write personally to the PM's office; we have to protest this as one voice. Please do it today, not tomorrow or next week; we have to stop these people coming here, and the only way to do that is to leave the EU. Write to the Pm NOW !
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF EU before we drown ourselves with people from other countries. !!!!!
Time to only allow immigrants who have a job lined up before entry, and tell the EU to stick their rules where the sun don't shine IMHO.
Enough. This actually frightens me. My daughter s future is bleak. Please everyone vote UKIP put a stop to this...
More and more foreigners moving in and more and more brits moving out.
I'm off!!!!
Where is the fairness in this Cameron? You are cutting spending at every level for us yet feel the need to give as much as you can to foreigners who have contributed nothing here. I thought you were sent to save us from the excesses of the Labour party but in reality you are giving us more of the same.
Wake up Cameron your getting the boot anyway might as well do some good before you go or you can turn the lights out as you leave.
Clearly the DM needs to publish in Romanian and Bulgarian, and hand out free issues to everyone in those countries. It is bound to put these foreigners off the idea of coming to Britain as Britain will appear to be fully occupied by racists, spongers and violent criminals.
Excellent! More people who will be happy to work in the service industry. And no doubt they'll do a fine job of it. Bring it on!
It has long been time for benefits to be linked to contributions made, for anyone who claims these charitable payments... they are not a right. Maybe now there will be impetus to bring some justice into the system. In the absence of that, payments for benefits from people not of birth in this country should be paid for by their countries of origin, or not at all.
Whats this going to do to your figures Mr. Osbourne Stop it now. We British are so overtaxed now. We cannot afford anymore
Perhaps Europe are hoping that Britain breaks into Unrest and Civil War, so that they can send in the troops and neuter any chance of a Referendum. They are going about it in the right way. - Gordon Webster, Dundee, 24/12/2012 8:37................................Ah ha!.....you've spotted their cunning plan then.
Bloody madness, and cameron says he cant do anything to stop it, Well If He cant then "GET OUT OF THE JOB"
I live in Bulgaria and I see exactly what is happening. The DM article is true even though it exaggerates the volume of people that may head for Britain. You DO definitely need to worry about the Roma as stated in the article. They are lining up to head for the UK, to get a free ride because they know they can. They are all talking about it now saying Britain is easy and soft. If you don't do something now you will seriously regret it. The same is true of Romania, exactly the same situation there and many more of them. You have one year to get this sorted. Do something now. This is not racism, this is realism. The UK can't afford for this to happen. The UK Government, councils etc are far too tolerant. If nothing is done and these rules are not reversed the British taxpayer will have to keep these people, which will breed resentment and hatred in the indigenous population. People who were never racist before, will become so, and its not the Roma's fault, its the Governments fault.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams , Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Perhaps this is an invitation for Australia to be the new savanna! To Australia House, c/o T S Williams there are 29 million people willing to share Australia's wealth, open your borders now.
we have in this country passed and present Weak, Brainless, with Lack of foresight Governments which has brought this once Great Country down........God help us.
If they are gypsies surely there aren't enough supermarket car parks and playing fields for them to park in is there ??????
Put Tony Blair in the dock, strip him of his assets and his free 24hr security. Give his money as compensation to the poor folk who are victims of crime carried out by some of the immigrants who have entered and soon to enter this (once) great country of ours due to his New Labour's perverted social engineering policies. Cameron, the bullying wimp will do nothing and will then blame his coalition partners for preventing him doing so. Bring it on Nigel - UKIP gets my vote.
Read on BBC "Norway's foreign minister has urged the UK to assess the advantages of staying in the European Union, rather than consider leaving."==> sorry Mr. Eidi we want to out from EU NOW!!!! DM, where are my 2 comments I made at around midnight and early morning? Did I tell the truth to Mrs. May, to look after the Border Agency? We should make petition about this now. anyone know how to make it? and please sign the petition.
I suppose they all can speak ENGLISH........and Understand the Rules on Jobseekers allowance....You listening IDS....with your un-christian ideals behind your Draconian Sanctions aimed at The UK born unemployed....oh' no you will bend over backwards to help them.....Lets start with housing them and giving the free handouts in your constituancy and preferably in your Back yard.
Its disgraceful to think i work hard, and a big cut of the money i work hard for goes to such people like this,
I feel for these people.... This country is said to be a democracy... I want my voice heard. Europe is trying to invade/control us, with their policies (who needs war - they've won already). Does the EU know just how small the UK is in terms of land mass. Everyone will pretend everything is ok, the working classes will all end up living in high rise flats (to maintain the green belts - just like Manila/Philippines, just noise and people everywhere .....PLEASE Mr Cameron the consequences of no action now, will be a disaster on an epic scale. UKIP you have my vote. I WANT OUT OF EUROPE..... Debra - Plymouth
DM - can you also run a feature on Italians/French/Germans moving to England and claiming they're from Romania in order to get housing and benefits? Britain doesn't just have a problem with Nigerians, Romanians, Polish etc. EVERYONE is taking the country for a ride.
So why don't you cheer us up for Christmas DM. Besides, half of Eastern Europe is here already - claiming benefits. Meanwhile the indigenous hospitalised elderly, who've worked and paid taxes all their lives, are subjected to the Liverpool Care Pathway (methodical euthanasia) to save the NHS money. The only solution is to ditch the EU and close our borders now.
It's gypsy.. Not gipsy :/
Immagrations been a problem for years for the British people, every political party as promised to sort in out and they haven't, now were going to let in all these undesirables, the goverment should be protecting so should not let these people in, if they cannot suport themselves they should not be here,
More scrum we will have to put up with, as if we don't have enough scum here now.
Wait till Labour get in 29 million will be their first years intake they will be thinking 29 million votes, wow.
"And where on earth are they supposed to go. There aren`t enough jobs to go round now [all supposing they would want to work] and not enough houses either." I dread to think what's going to happen if New Liebour get in at the next election - they are almost certain to pass legislation forcing homeowners with spare bedrooms to submit to compulsory billeting of homeless migrants - just wait and see what THAT does to your home contents insurance! - and if you go away on holiday, don't be surprised when you return to find the migrants - and your possessions - GONE!
As Mr Blair said, how wonderful is multiculturalism to the UK ! God help us.
So poor that I'm wearing an Adidas track suit in the last pic???
Just imagine the health problems they will bring with them too........all that child care, education , health and housing benefits....all FREE !! While our own pesnioners have to PAY for their care! DISGRACEFUL.......close our borders at once !
If I was a young man now, I'd emigrate. This will just overload the country. The toxic combination of the EU and liberal governments (I use the term loosely and it currently applies to the Tories too) has been the ruination of this country. The best I can do now is give my vote to the only party that seems to give a toss what the electorate want: UKIP. That's after 35 years Conservative - a party I cannot recognize any more.
I fear for my family. UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote UKIP, they are the only ones who will begin to start capping/controlling this. Also have to agree Mesaman25 - we desperately need an in/out referendum on EU membership, we will never get one though as I think the government know what the response will be. This country is in a mess
The ONCE GREAT BRITAIN and the genuine British people are in great peril! Your heritage is being given away minute by minute! not even day by day ! Wake up! STOP IT! Stop the rot ! while you can still save something British for your future Generations! what is wrong with the voters in your Country? Soon British will be totally outnumbered and not even count as a Vote ! MOST of your immigrants are not interested in become British and adopting British Society,culture,language and religion. Some even hate your guts and are planning your destruction and destruction of your heritage and culture daily. They are there for the benefits and YOU are loosing out and paying !! Are you people going to immigrate then to the slums mentioned here ?
Nations are supposed to be a set level before being let into the EU, now there just letting them in regardless, and using the rich nations to pay to get them up to speed. Time to dump this shower, we have our own needy to sort out. We did'nt leave the East Europeans desolate, the Russians left the East Europeans desolate, let them pay for them.
I thought they were already here!
What would Jesus do ?
No mention by the bbc, daily mail or anyone else on who is going to dig out all the new canals and reservoirs to store all the flood water which is now happening 4/5 times a year. We will probably need these people to do it because the Brits are to lazy.
The Government realise that this is an island.... standing room only!
Oh great, another great disaster from the giant UK horror of EC membership. Pay through the nse to subsidise French and German amateur one-cow farmers and Spanish road infrastructure, take in all the itinerant of Europe coming here for free benefits and housing, and next experience an explosion of petty crime by hardcore foreign criminals. Good one Theresa May!
No, no, no, no, no! How many more people, who add nothing to the country, are we expected to pay for? Where will they live. This island of ours will sink with the weight of them all before long. Stop it NOW! Please.
Xenophobia rules - apparently OK by the DM!!!
Kev the cycnic 08.45 Kev, there is a way but none of our elite have the balls because it really doesn't affect them. Free Movement rules are ONLY available to those that can come here without recourse to ANY benefits,etc. This is laid down in law already, but not enforced. A little hard to when stupidly lots of Immigration staff have been made redundant, funny that (not). We don't have to let them in if they can't support themselves completely, but the elite will tell you that they have no choice, but they do, they choose not to rigidly enforce the law. It is us that suffer in the end and they don't care as they have their pensions, their homes (and second ones), get treated in the best hospitals,etc whilst our infrastructure falls apart. and it becomes Dog eat Dog for the rest of the population for even the basic right to anything and what we do have being cut.
However, the words that come through and through from what these people are saying is that Britain does NOT discriminate and that they feel they will be treated fairly and given a chance so that they can get jobs and provide for their families. This is something Britain should be PROUD of. That says a lot about British people. If only the rest of Europe had those values!!!!
It wasn't the Tory Government that signed up to this ridiculous arrangement, it was the Labour Government - God, peoples memories are short..... There is no point laying the blame at Cameron's door - perhaps those who voted for Labour should think more astutely about where they put their cross next time around - Ed & Ed et al made a right pickle of this country..., so there is little point complaining now because that horse has bolted! What Cameron should do is attempt to limit or undo what Ed and his pals have created...
We have a year to stop this happening ! To save Great Britain!
There's nothing great about Britain anymore.
Was frist Labour and now this - single word - NO Oh, and YES to UKIP - from life long Conv. voter No point in goverment going on about trade with EU when, as somebody else pointed out, there are no houses (and YES I prefer our "green and pleasant land" not concrete, asphalt and blockwork everywhere) and all the trade profit goes in welfare payments to support those that have never contributed to our welfare fund.. AND - why not limit ALL the welfare payments for all immigrants to be at the same level as they received in their home country until they have had a full time TAX PAID (ie: not black cash) job for 5 years? ENOUGH...
Why were these countries invited to join the EU? They have nothing to offer and will only take huge amounts of the EU budget giving nothing in return.
the bottom of the barrel has been reached .- steven smith, southampton, 24/12/2012 8:45 +++++++ I think you find that the barrel is overflowing.
Do these people know about Iain Duncan Smith? Someone should tell them - they'd stay at home!!!
Don't worry Bobby this government will never run out of money, they will just put the price of our fuel and tax up to accommodate you. Soon we will all be on benefits.
Its time human being realised we are all citizens of the world not a country. They are people just the same as the rest of us. They deserve just as much. Just because your born into poverty doesn't mean you can't strive for more. Happy Christmas to ALL men. Have a bit of compassion people. - Loobietoones, Alacante, 24/12/2012 08:59 I agree but you must realise that we and in a very long recession and there isn't enough money in the pot as it is. And harsh though it may sound, we don't need another influx of people who know they will be living on benefits because they won't be given a job.
I do NOT want to look after them....,When is somebody going to listen to the British population in this country? I have my own family to take care of..No wonder the lesser liked political parties are quietly growing...so much unrest and bad feeling going on..just have to sit in a room where I work and listen to the workforce..We are all fed up with being the laughing stock of the world...
Thanks Blair..
I don't see any problem with this, Eastern Europeans are harder workers than most Brits in my opinion - and they are cheaper. Let them in.
Things cannot get much worse in this country.... our politicians are failing us.
People think by voting for UKIP that this would not happen. The truth is that if they did win enogh seats to beat the Lib Dems ,they might form a coalision with one of the other partys like the lib/dems did, promise the earth, and turn their back on all of their policys. The EU is awash with money for those at the top, and if you think they will want to get rid of it, you would be fooling yourself, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. Even if Mr Farage does not like the EU , Ibet you dont see him ever handing back some of his big,fat pay check from them?
This isn't the EU we joined and we should get out of it fast. This country has been ruined. What is the point of trying to better your self if anyone can come and take it.
What a cheery Christmas message from the DM to help everyone through the Christmas period with a smile on their face! Ha. Typical mail spreading fear and xenophobia. Happy Christmas. Don't forget- its the end of the world today, we're being taken over by immigrants, gay people will soon be getting married in your front room, the fat cats are stealing all your money and Imogen Thomas is having triplets.
ON NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
STOP THE BENEFITS, THEY WON'T COME, if government want to watch the destruction of UK, they can just sit back and do nothing
Well if thats not a good reason for getting out of Europe then nothing is,we cant even look after our own people properly..vote UKIP i say..
Wonderful news. Blairs' final timebomb. More Miliband voters on the way. Has Miliband made any comment yet? Doubt if there'll be a peep out of him. Rain check: there's nothing in the rules that says can't charge them an entry fee. Say a £1billion per person..
where will they be housed?
The poor from the East might leave all around Europe, not only to Britain. - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 8:45 ++++++++++++ I don't think so though, do you?
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 It's nothing to do with birthplace. We're a tiny country - WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE LEFT!
Dude this is brilliant. I can't wait to see them riding those horses down our street. It will be funny to see the expressions on the faces of the stuffy Brits when this happens.
It does seem a bit of a contradiction when people who have emigrated FROM Britain to get a better life are complaining about immigration TO Britain for the same reason. Surely you are immigrants to the country you have moved to. Make up your minds whether you agree with migration or not.
I'm packing my bags and heading for NZ this year ! I'm not wasting anymore of my hard earned cash supporting the welfare system !
Nigel farange we need you
For Pities sake Cameron the situation is nigh on unsustainable - Grow some and pull us out of the EU - NOW!!!
Instead of putting the world to rights on a message forum, how about doing something tangible in regards to this ceaseless immigration? Stop making lame wisecracks and face up to this very real threat! Anyone who thinks immigration is a good thing is totally imbecilic - though ironically those who see through its evils are described as evil, moustache-twiddling neo-Nazi racists. Well what's more racist than welcoming the eventual end of your own people in your own homeland?? Don't blame them for coming, blame yourselves for being so gutless to allow it - and the fact that you continually vote for those that instigate such things through their own gutlessness.
- Loobietoones, Alacante, 24/12/2012 There are enough native benefit scroungers in this country without those from other countries, who have contributed ZERO to this nation's coffees, claiming benefits which we simply cannot afford.
The Government does not care about this. It will be the final part of their master plan to dismantle the welfare state. Oh we can't afford it any more they will say. Also you can say goodbye to the NHS.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams, Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Perhaps your country could take them, no, thought not. Don't you cast them adrift in their boats when they try to enter your country?
I cannot blame them for wanting to come and claim the benefits that are available in the UK. I would too if I were in their position. The blame lays fairly and squarely on the EU and its politicians. They wanted to create an empire, they act as roman senators, wining and dining, and claiming huge salaries and expenses when, basically, they are clueless to what is actually happening. Unfortunately, Europe has become like the Roman Empire, except that it is controlled from Brussels and Strasbourg, however, we all know what happened to the Roman Empire, and all other Empires.
God help you all. I am all for helping people out, but you need to be trying to bring them up to your level, but this change in legislation will just drag you down to theirs. Any country in the civilised world must have good border control, or chaos will follow.
This headline alone should be enough to make us leave the EU
So people who aren't even british are entitled to benefits but many people who were born in this country aren't? Yeah, 'cause thats fair. Looks like it's time to move out of Britain!
Dear DM, Please inform yourself before publishing such type of article!!. First of all you must know that currently Romania has a population of 19 millions and Bulgaria 7 millions and thus you can write about a total of 26 millions people wanting to immigrate in your "beloved " Great Britain. In my opinion you can really use either journalism lessons or math lessons. However, the most important thing I want to emphasize as a proud Romanian citizen is that Romania is NOT equal to the gipsy minority that unfortunately was born in this country. Nowadays, the gipsy minority is of ONLY 619 000 thousands - 3.2% from the total Romanian population. The rest of us work really hard in order to sustain ourselves and our families and we are not dreaming of receiving free allowances from you. At last but not at least, please do not show only such type of miserable pictures, both Romania and Bulgaria are beautiful countries.
There is an important, sensible debate to be held about immigration. This factually incorrect and inflammatory article (deliberately so?) does not contribute to it. For example: Migrants from EEA countries cannot claim unemployment benefit if they are not a dependent of someone in work.
'there's nothing for my people here' well guess what there's nothing for us here either, no jobs, no housing....The government need to look after their own first
All part of the plan, this country was finished years ago and you think that any of the mainstream opartys are gonna do something i dont think so and if you think ukip are going to get in your mistaken because so many people will vote for the one party state to keep it in. i dont think ukip will make a difference anyway.
Looking at where they come from, I don't blame them! I'd want to escape ASAP as well!
Bring it on!!!!!! UKIP ASAP
Kev the cynic 08 47............................. I know Qatada is a reptile, but if I was forced to choose I'd rather have him in the country than Tony Blair.
We have been sold down the river by successive government, destroy this Brussels pig trough.
Glad you can stoke the fire DM.....dont see you putting up a fight to save at least what we have got left??
Since the DM refuses to publish my true feelings about this, I'd just like to say. Did anyone get asked or whether to vote for this? If not then why are the three main parties acting without any political mandate from the British electorate.
Everybody gets so wound up over this.Its simples it will crash the lot just what many POLITICIANS WOULD LIKE NO NHS (or very poor quality)no houses no schools and of course no integration.Thet already stand out like a sore thumb and as or those ignorant saying send them to Scotland as it is,our deepest in the Hghlands banks have been scammed.(a friend has said) so wise up we all get our fair share.All I can say is hang on to your bags and enjoy the imcompetance of T Bair AND THE TORIES FOR FAILING TO EITHER STOP IT OR TAKE ALL COSTS OF OUR EU BUDGET AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE END.
Well at least ill be able to get a cheap house cleaner and builder !
You are aware that 'gypsy' is a racial slur in some quarters, DM?
They're on their way to Britain. Gee... I can already see the excitement on the faces of the British people!!!!! This is the classic situation of a country having given up on border security and controlled immigration. But I'll say this ... this sort of nonsense is going to continue until the day the British people get off their sofas and start protesting all over the nation... that enough is enough!
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY! This is why she signed the EU treaties not only for the farm subsidies but for the cheap labour. The royals are immigrants themselves so they aren't bothered about the ethnic brits.
It's not just because they aren't British.. It's also the fact that we are fed up of our taxes being swallowed up by people claiming benefits!! I am fed up of working so others don't have to.. And it's now becoming a joke that thousands of non British people will be coming and getting benefits handed to them on a plate. Paid for by me and others working!
leave the European union now
our government needs shooting and someone needs to blow up the channel tunnel the worst thing they ever built they might aswell put a walk way through it for the asylum seekers.
Given the state of the once great country, given the way we have been shaffted by successive government's of whatever colour, I can only say - if I were young enough I would emigrate. The sheople in this country needs to stop watching reality TV programmes and get off their couches and start fighting for their jobs and their rights.....but then most of those are living on benefits anyway!
These people are NOT our problem. Their issues are theirs to sort out with their own countries. Things are difficult enough for UK-born people without being told that we are responsible for anyone and everyone. Let's get this country sorted out BEFORE allowing ANY of these Romanians, Bulgarians or any others in
UKIP is our only saviour. All the other parties have let the people of the UK down over several decades, they are all stupid enough to think that the great British public will not vent their anger. Completely stop immigration now that is the only option if you want to have a chance in the next general election.
HA HA HA! They know all about our politics already! ----------------¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿
at best they will get £26000 surely that will stop them coming
And the most laughable if not Hilarious part of this story is that bulgaria has a population of 7.5 Million, Romania 32 Million and the reporters genuinely expect the gullible readers to believe that almost ALL of the population of these 2 countries are going to move to the UK in 12 months time. How Pathetic it's scaremongering at its worst
The British are too polite too protest unlike our Neighbours. We'd rather put head in sand, make a brew , put feet up to watch soaps/ reality tv or log onto mail online and comment about the size of Kim Kardishan's bottom or what god's name the middleton sisters are wearing ..................................................................................................................................................
Merry Christmas Call Me Dave - the most useless Prime Minister is living memory.
We're going to hell in a handcart pulled by our legally elected representatives who are not interested in the will or welfare of the British people and they are following their own agenda.
Out of EU that's the only to avoid this future mess. Cameron wakew up,let's have a referendum, in order to be preoud of beenig BRITISH. - Giulioggg , Newcastle upon Tyne, Italy, 24/12/2012 08:48 < That would carry more weight if you had learned how to spell.
"........... have neatly exploited a gaping loophole in the EU rules. It allows Bulgarians and Romanians claiming to be self-employed to get a British national insurance number and a raft of hand-outs............" Please folks, the only thing that the EU has allowed is the free movement of people - the same freedom that allows Britains to live elsewhere. The real loophole is that Britain - unlike 23 of the other 27 countries allows Bulgarians et al to claim benefits. The problem is the British benefits system, not the EU. Whilst UK benefits might have been appropriate for 1940's - 1970's where generally there was not a massive movement of population - it certainly is not appropriate for the 21st century global movement of people - all of whom want to better themselves - and where better to do it than in the UK with all this free money that you did not have to contribute anything to get! And remember - most immigrants to the UK come from OUTSIDE THE EU!
This is really frightening The EU will ruin this country and all that our father's and grandfathers have fought for will be given away What was the point of the 1st and 2nd World War when the unelected bureucrats can decide what happens in the UK Open your eyes and demand a REFERENDUM on the EU NOW before it is too late
Always good to see Luton get a mention. The councils Love Luton policy must be working.
once again, give thanks to the old firm- blair & brown.
Eventually so many people will leave this country and I tell you now it will be the people paying these stupid benefits
"It does worry me more for my children . Where will these people live ? What about schools .N.H.S how will they all cope ? There will be more people not working than there are working A bet none of these people will be living on a street any M.PS live on I will vote UKIP next time but sadley i think it will be two late .Next will be turkey how can this island cope? - deebee, swansea, 24/12/2012 8:34" Check your statistics: there are more Brits of working age on the dole than in work. Brits who are well educated and better able to do jobs thana lot of the immigrants who get the work.
The only reason Tony Blair Signed up to the expansion of the EU was so that his capilist friends can exploit the eastern europian countries to the full, and buy very cheap land, for farming and building on,whilst us "Plebs"have to put up with the massive overcrowding,the stealing,and the large tax rises to cover all the extra services and social benifets required to support such a large influx of unemplyable migrants.
That will increase the population by a third - benefits paid out by an unthinkable amount, just what is the EU and our Govt going to do? If they don't stop this in its tracks there will be worse than anarchy, and our country will look similar to the one pictured above
Why don't we all go to Romania and Bulgaria, cheap housing and turn the country around as we did with GB now there's a plan
Such a joke they are making of Britain, I love the UK but am glad I have the option of returning to Australia. It's not fair that the British have to put up with this.
All to do wit benefits. Offer free healthcare, a decent home and money on top of that, why would anyone NOT come here?
Your comments: My hard earned wage is not going towards paying for these people to scrounge off us in the UK. CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW. Stop building new houses for migrants or immigrants. No British jobs for migrants or immigrants. We need to act now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm from Barcelona and I live in the UK because my husband is English. I work full time and pay my taxes. However, thanks to the scum that Britain allows stay and claim your benefits, I am victim of xenophobia in many places when they see I'm not English.
The UK can kiss goodbye to my engineering degree and 10 years exp. with any luck Scotland will get independence and actually do something about the wretched eu - Les , Perth, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:50 ***We've also kissed goodbye to your negative attitude and arrogance!
Those who let this happen cant moan if the british people turn to the BNP because this will be the straw that breaks the camels back, britain is becoming a cesspit and as far as i can see extremism is the only thing that can save us now.
I think that all these people should be sent to Poland. The Polish love the EU so it's time they got a taste of what being "european" really means.
how do we not get a say in this, where they gonna live, how they gonna live, surely the government cant let this happen, oh wait there useless.....
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 It's not politically correct to protest you are labelled as racist if you speak out. Britain is not the great free country it wants the world to think it is.
Bring them all, and good luck to them! Lets face it we would all do the same in their situation. The blame for all open door policy rests squarely with our inept, weak, self serving politicians. They all have a hand in allowing so called "controlled" immigration whatever party is in power. Where is the level playing field Mr Cameron, comparing our open door, tolerant, happy to have anyone, Country and Eastern Europe, I do not see our unemployed, employed, or however looking for a better life in Bulgaria etc. This Country has lost it identity and filling up fast. So Bobby Georgiev or whatever his real name actually is, you are correct, fill "your Boots" on our generous benefits, and even send some home for ones don't want to come. All us UK tax payers like funding houses in Eastern Europe.
If we let in another flood of EU scroungers to claim OUR benefits then this will be the final straw for many people. We pay our taxes to support all the services for UK people. Benefits were designed as a safety net for OUR, elderly, sick and needy, NOT as a free for all for every migrant, asylum seeker and illegal immigrant to milk the system. This has to stop now and if I means us leaving the EU, then so be it.
Just shows what a total failure the EU is with these unfortunate people living in abject poverty. The only benefit to Bulgaria and Romania is that they can offload their people onto our benefits system.
Imagine seeing that horse and carriage going down the M1.
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective.
Welcoming mass migration to our soft-touch country works right up until the point that we are overwhelmed with them and have overcrowding, lack of jobs, huge public debt, crime and so forth. I think any honest politicians have noticed that we reached that point ages ago. If they can't stop this it is sadly inevitable that some sort of civil war will break out. Once our country is decimated and impoverished it might be us that are begging on the streets of Brussels or living in a shanty town near Strasbourg washing dishes for 2 euros a week.
we are full, go away!!
they probably already have 5 council houses anyway...
They are all very very welcome.
This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim?
If this is true why should we have to pay benefits to them they did not contribute to the system? Also it gives Cameron the backtracker one year to get us out of Europe as the majority want.,
"Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks. - Captain Gas, Bristol, 24/12/2012 8:35" cCOMPLETE RUBBISH - CAMERON HAS HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP & DO SOMETHING. BUT HE HASN'T - SHAME!
EU rules say they must be allowed into open house UK meanwhile the great twiddling of thumbs and no action at all by europhiles Cameron and chums goes on
Disgusting its not a free for all STOP immigration we can't kept letting people in this country and economy, tax payers and unemployed British born people can't take it any more !!!
Cameron - Britain is already full - thanks to Labour. And your own stubborn attachment to the EU will be your downfall, the downfall of your wretched government and the downfall of this once great nation. Vote UKIP
Makes you realise just how lucky you are doesnt it.
This sickens me.
This is ridiculous !
It's Christmas Eve morning, just read this article and feel really stressed now! Think I'll go back to bed, as the thought of all those spongers coming over and ruining what's left of our country has just made me feel ILL!
God help us!!!!
If we let in another flood of EU scroungers to claim OUR benefits then this will be the final straw for many people. We pay our taxes to support all the services for UK people. Benefits were designed as a safety net for OUR, elderly, sick and needy, NOT as a free for all for every migrant, asylum seeker and illegal immigrant to milk the system. This has to stop now and if I means us leaving the EU, then so be it.
THE BEGINING OF THE END----THINK UKIP ---THINK UKIP---I'M 68---WE HAD THE BEST YEARS
How can our government do this to us???
Your icomments:its time Britain got out of europe this country will be bankrupt if we do not close our borders just like labour this tory government are making the same mistake on immigration and europe its a disaster for this country
I cannot believe that there are people on here ignorant enough to welcome this! This insanity has to stop, before this country is completely destroyed, because when that happens, all of these people can move on. If the Government are too spineless to stop this, they should stand down, as they are not fit for purpose. Long term, this is the most dangerous thing that could happen to OUR contry!
Enjoy England. Luckily, I left years ago. It's yours now.
God help us. We're overcrowded as it is, and under-resourced. Think of the effects this will have on our already overstretched NHS, dentists, schools, housing. It doesn't make any sense. I asked myself why do these people want to come here, then realised that our government prefers to give welfare benefits to immigrants and withholds it from our own people.
Shut the bloody door and pull out of the EC - VOTE UKIP! If that makes me racist......well tough!
We give billions a year in international aid. We should help them in their own countries rather than allow a further exodus to the UK. This will all end in bloodshed if it's not stopped.
I accepted long ago the Britain I grew up in as a child was long gone.We have given our Country away without as much as a backward glance.I blame the politicians for getting us into this predicament, its ok for them cushioned in their fancy houses they should try living in a normal town.Before anybody suggests I am predjudiced then yes I guess I am for wanting some consideration to be given to native born Brits.
WHY FOR GOODNESS SAKE???!!! This country has had it. It's rubbish.
First deliberately set out to create a problem for political gain and then lay the blame elsewhere; whilst at the same time promising to aleviate the distress by spending your money on jobs for their friends in the caring sector and thereby create the revolution of division within the indigenous population. Lovely jubbly is the true legacy of Tony Belair & Chums of the Old Liebour Party.
No wonder EU wants to keep UK in the EU. Sorry we wanted OUT NOW!!!!
In the season of goodwill to all Men (unless you are from Romania or Bulgaria it seems) we are faced with an invasion of poor human beings that are less fortunate than ourselves. We should we share our prosperity with them? After all they are foreigners, and as such don't deserve any of the luxuries we have (like food, warmth, sanitation, free world class health care, education and decent housing) Let them stay in the squalor they obviously deserve! What has happened to us? We make judgements about people based on where they were born and the colour of their skin. I am ashamed sometimes. Oh and Merry Christmas.
You will have to do something about it,the government never will do anything without the effusion of blood,thats the truth,its your country fight for it or lose it.
Vote UKIP
Oh my god. I can't wait to get out of this country. As soon as I become a chartered accountant I'm heading for Australia, where they only let in people who can contribute to their country - EXACTLY what we should have been doing. Well done labour for opening the floodgates to people who think Britain is a happy rosy place to live, they will have a wake-up call when they get here and discover we do discriminate after all!
Great more man united fans!!!! :(
I think that we should be honest with the Romanians and Bulgarians: the UK is destitute; you will have a higher standard of living if you stayed at home - we can't even afford to look after our own! And a word to Cameron, we don't need them to artificially inflate house prices (Cable has that very wrong) - that card has been seriously over-played - it is better to let the market correct now vs bloodsshed later.
with the current housing crisis where are these poeple supposed to live ? with a continuing contracting economy (this country will never be a manufacturing base again) how will these people be employed?. If they are coming here to sign on, how are the depleted working tax payers ( the Government doesn't give money away it redistributes tax revenues) going to be able to fund this?. Time for UK citizens to take to the streets and say enough is enough, this small poor European outpost cannot afford migrant workers while ther is no work or prospect of work for these people. These are not migrant workers these (seemingly by their own admission) are economic migrants who view the UK as an easy touch. Intrestingly another post suggested a General strike but to what end! The answer is to write NOT to the DM but instead to your MP and actually turn up at his / her "Surgery" and let them know that they as he offending arm (of goverment ) will be removed at the next election.
We cannot cope with another influx of benefit seekers the benefit system will collapse and the country will implode. We need to leave the EU now the protection of our country we have too many immigrants already enough is enough
Your comments: My hard earned money is NOT going towards paying for these people to live in this country. Close our borders now so we can assess our position. New houses are being built to accommodate migrants. British people FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
What's the point in coming here it's no land of the great come an join our line ov unemployed why dont ya
they are europeons and are entitled to a free house in the uk just as much as the jeremy kyle lot are entitled.
¿We are discriminated against as gipsy people. In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same. " Except if you are an indigenous Brit then you are treated like dirt!
its heartbreaking whats happening to this country
Question - What if 10 million of them want to come here
CAMERON what are you going to do about it, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!., I suggest you get cracking now and put the waffle about gay marriage in the bin, This effects us all, you need to show us you have the backbone for the job, We need another CHURCHILL at this time not a Pampered Posh Boy.
I'm generally very liberal on social issues, and go farther more than most in accepting people from differing backgrounds, but this is taking things too ridiculously far. Our country already has constraints in every sector, including steep cuts to the NHS, benefits, and services. Why the hell should we give it to foreigners when we struggle to provide for our own? It kind of makes me sick in my stomach. They can see that they can have a hugely better standard of living by not doing much at our expense and just for the sake being in the EU, and they will move because they can. Why wouldn't they? Violent crime and drug rates are double or even triple in areas where Eastern Europeans are more prevalent already. I had thought the EU generally brought more good than it did bad, but this has really swung it to the other direction in my opinion. It's time to leave the EU before it's too late.
When oh when will we learn? We are not GREAT BRITAIN with colonies worldwide anymore! We are a tiny Island, already overcrowded and struggling to cope! STOP THIS NOW - WE SIMPLY CAN NOT AFFORD TO CARRY MORE PEOPLE - yes their problems are terrible but no one else opens their arms and says come here. We havent enough work for our own people,our benefits and NHS systems are breaking down, we cant afford to care for our elderly and let them die of starvation in hospitals and call it pathways! Need I go on? Anyone with half a brain can see Im right and we must go to our MP and demand this does not go through at all!
Why are they eligible for housing and benefits when they have contributed NOTHING to our society? This is SO wrong - yet again, us hard working Brits are going to suffer for trying to do things the "right way".......work/buy a house/ limit the number of children we have.......
Immigration is beyond a joke. Honestly, I am sick of it now. I'm all for anyone coming to this country that have and implement their working skills in full time employment. However, majority do not, which can be clearly seen at the post office when collecting their benefits. Half don't even speak English, which is ridiculous and it should be mandatory before entering Britain.
Mass immigration has placed an enormous strain on the benefits system to the point that it is becoming unaffordable. Politicians respond by taking the easy route by reducing benefits. I know we have plenty of home bred benefits scroungers but they are our problem. Despite their unfortunate circumstances Romanians, Bulgarians etc. etc. etc. aren't. If the government insists on giving away billions in overseas aid then this is where it should be going, not to Africa and Asia. That way we might alleviate some of our own problems as well as theirs.
Romania & Bulgaria together don't have 29 mil people all together. Never mind gypsies :))) Daily Mail, get where do you get ur data ? How on earth do you think that all 29 mil will leave their countries and move to Britain ?!?!? Maybe someone's got to have a word with the person in charge with headlines.
T S Williams, Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 We'll send them to you then!!
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.!
Well that has certainly sealed my UKIP vote.
Get us out of the EU !!! NOW !!!!!!
No more, no more of these people.
Labour and the left have always wanted to see this once great nation go down the plug hole. Well their wish is about to come true. Just glad my wife and I chose not to have kids as what's coming in the very near future isn't going to be pretty.
I don't understand why the UK doesn't just say NO to the EU. Danish politicians do it from time to time and nothing happens. I do like some of EU's rules though as I am able to live in Denmark because of them.
In a way it may be a blessing; the last straw before civil unrest in this country; and it is not that far away. As someone else mentioned here UKIP you are on a winner. Please win the next election!
I live in Romania an I have no intention to settle in UK. If I would agree with the point of the article I will be thinking that maybe we will be spared in Romania from things like the big retailers and the "benefits" they brought for quality of service and small businesses. Or maybe we will go back when not only people were not allowed to migrate but also the capitals, in order to stop some people gain benefits fro other countries and others gain profits from other countries. But we already have the retailers you "love" and you already have the gipsies we "love", so maybe building walls will not help, as I hope we have at least learned from those who tried to solve problems with walls and camps during WW2.
No offence to Bobby George and his family, who I am sure are decent people, but what are they bringing to the UK that we need? He does "some" part time labouring, yet gets 3,300 pa in housing benefit and with Child Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, I doubt they are taking less than 6,000 pa out of the system? There is no way he can have contributed even 1 years worth of his benefit in the 5 years he has been here and I am sure if this was a round table discussion, he would be inclined to agree? It is a financial one way street and unfortunately it is not sustainable. The lefties just hide behind the "racist" card to avoid this stark reality.
29 million!? The population in Romania is 20 million and that in Bulgaria is about 8 million!!! Get your facts right!
Can't really call this country England or Britain any more, because only 48% of people in 'Britain' are 'British', we are becoming extinct...
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !
As a former Big Issue vendor in North Wales it helped me get back on my feet and get enough to rent a flat. I think the Big Issue has lost its focus in recent years. Those selling on my old pitches are from eastern europe not a Brit in sight and hasnt been for a long time. I will always be grateful for the chance to get back on a an even footing.
It makes me so so sick. I work, pay my taxes, suffer the austerity we are having to put the country right and we let these people come to this country to live off our efforts on the benefits system. The EU should be making sure these people are adopting the same standards of living as we have before letting them join. Also why don't they settle in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc? It is time we got out of the EU, bringing on the referendum.
Don't vote UKIP for yourself, vote for your children and grandchildren. It's time for the English to find our backbone and identity again. It's time to start looking after our own first. We are a generous nation but enough is enough!
Back in the seventies, the decision to join the EU was for trade. Now its the EU people dumping thanks to this open house treaty set by previous political muppets. If readers notice, its never the sitting MEP,s or the MP,s pay for these laws. It always ends up the taxpayer footing the bill. What makes me angry is when viewers see Tony Blair talking about human rights. After what he has done to the UK is tantamount to treason.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!!
Everybody come to Malaysia! It's warm and sunny through out the year! Food is cheap and amazing. You can't go wrong with that.
Freedom of movement as long as it is no where near the eu capital
I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!! - words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20 ================= I wish you'd be more specific. Do you truly hate this country with a passion, or do you hate the politicians who have destroyed it. If it is the former, why don't you get out and move to a country more to your taste.
ahh................ so this is why Mr Cameron wants to take benefits away, he wants to give it away to immigrants, along with our precious NHS services, they will all have to be checked for TB etc....... Can we please get rid of this vile government, who are running this country into the ground, we have all made sacrifices because of the downturn in the economy, loosing full time jobs and having to work part time to make ends meet and then the biggest slap in the face to us all is ....................he is taking more in and paying them to do nothing THANKS Cammi now please leave from stage door left !
Where are the jobs, schools, hospitals,houses, for these people. They bring NO skills we need , their intention is to live off our benefit system which is already at busting point. Enough is enough VOTING UKIP WILL PUT A STOP TO THIS.
Back in 1975 we voted to remain in Europe, so I guess we've only ourselves to blame.
No wonder there's a housing crisis in the UK ,all these immigrants past an yet to arrive need housing ,benefits and NHS care.Its not racist but we just can't afford to support all these people who haven't paid a penny into our economy and yet still support our own less well off and vulnerable people.
Get us out of the EU NOW - how frightening is this !!! Where are our rights as natives - UKIP or English Democrats for my vote - this needs to be stopped - where in the right mind as these idiots who allowed this !!!
The National Health system, schools and police are already struggling with the numbers of people already in this sinking country. I never thought I'd say this but we need to get out of the EU and the sooner the better!
I am so angry. They are welcomed here by some politicians, they are given houses, free money, free healthcare, free education and yet some of them are so greedy they steel from the very people who are providing this for them. We are the mugs here.
the start of the end.
The bog that is the uk letting all the rubbish in and EVEN paying them to be here. roll on death cos you wont then be able to take any tax from me for them and the rest of the scroungers and cheats
Close the countries doors. We are full up.
I bet the Slave Centre Plus and Social Security (SS) wont be hounding, persecuting and threatening them with loss of benefits if they dont find a job, unlike what happens to the British. Traitors.
What are the women like?
Don't blame Cameron, Blairs Labour government got us into this, in fact most ofnthe problems we have with immigration and benefit overload can be laid at his door. I used to vote Labour but never again.my husband and I have always worked, both self employed and have never claimed benefits but we are struggling at the moment like many others.Unfortunately as our children are grown and we have a mortgage we can expect no help from the benefits people at all. wish we had emigrated to Australia years ago!!!!
Up the revolution!
Our politicians will have acquired so many mansions by then, the new influx will be needed to clean them.
What we need is a leadership who has the courage to say NO!!! Also a leadership who will get us out of the Money-Pit of Europe.
They wonder why we want to be out of this unholy alliance......It'll be Poland all over again, we'll be swamped again. ......I can't believe the stupidity and the slowness of their brains........and still no action from this Government......We need to be away from the EU just to retain our sovereignty.......Referendum or is it so much hot air again?
They bring no skills that we do not have as a population, we do not need the workforce - we have millions unemployed and we cannot afford them. Sod the EU. Close our borders.
God HELP the United Kingdom. we do not need these people, have they jobs,homes, private medical care, schools to go to, all paid for themselves.... OF COURSE NOT. THANKS AGAIN BLIAR, You should be made to pay for this from your own socialist Millions. MADNESS
SHUT THE BORDERS - We need to get out of the EU NOW!!!!! If we don't they and so many others will be welcomed with open arms and we'll be in a worse mess than ever before.
I've leaving this horrible foreign non British country behind
It's not England's problem is it?
Since when was everyone in the UK treated the same? Sometimes I feel that because I have a good job, pay my taxes and don't break the law, that I am being the worst treated as I don't receive the handouts that these people are expecting to receive. Why should we welcome them when most under 40's in work can now not afford to buy their own house, but if they were out of work they would get free housing???
Its hardly Camerons fault, BUT demand a referendum, get out of the EU and fill the channel tunnel with concrete, that will stop it.
Come on 'Call Me Dave' Man up!! Start doing the job you are paid for. TEAR UP THE SCHENGEN AGREEMENT AMD DO SOMETHING!! NOW!! Have you met the nice Mr Farage. You're going to be handing him the keys to No. 10. You'll be consigned to 'non-entity' status (oh, you are already!). The Conservatives will be consigned to the history books! Thanks for wrecking Britain you idiot! NOW, before you leave, DO SOMETHING!!!
here we go again glad i'm 82 wouldn't like to be young in this day and age PLEASE get britain OUT of this horrible european union.
This counrty will end up looking like a wasteland in some other country,it will end up looking like one of the biggest disasters to hit a country and people will be asking how the hell did this happen. We need to wake up and wake up fast, only so many beans will fit into a tin and THIS tin is well and truly FULL
It is time the provision of benefits is changed in this country to stop the wanton abuse and the best way to do it is to say only people who have worked and resided in this country for 5 years have earned this entitlement and that the entry into this country must be on condition that they have a fully gauranteed job and can fully support themselves for that period without any help from the state.
Two words scare mongering.
One more immigrant family who cannot support itself and relies on state handouts is one too many. We are overcrowded gridlocked overtaxed and just cannot afford to support any one else.....
This is discusting people who were born and breed have lost out on benefits had them cut/stopped yet people from other eu countries can walk in get a home rent paid milk vouchers and a big weekly top up of free money. I'm a single parent work part time and pay all my ret council tax..this country is a joke and only getting worse - lola12 , Wiltshire, 24/12/2012 08:37+++++On a personal level I'm glad I'm in the last stage of life on this planet, unless struck down with some disease etc. However, I am concerned about the Country my grandchildren are going to inherit in just a few decades, and the inevitable conflict to come. You of the younger generation have time and effort in your hands to change things before this comes about.........But will you?
Taking into consideration that the total population of both Romania and Bulgaria is 29 Million - I would hardly think both countries would depopulate and want to move to Britain. - furthermore there are by far more attraqctive countries in Europe to move to thjan the UK - and should there be a significant increase of Sinti and Roma in the UK it is because the high levels of benefits - but then you have only the UK government to blame - cut the benefits like we did here in Germany and you will have more people entering the workforce decreasing the relaince on state aid and increasing the taxable income the government will receive.
Past governments have got us into this mess, It will be up to the real Britis people to get us out/
Many Americans sympathize with you as we have a similar problem in the USA only with illegal immigration. Many of the issues sound similar. We do not have national health care but our hospitals are required to treat all patients regardless of their ability to pay. They hurt our economy in many aspects and are no longer encouraged to learn English. Please remember this when you wonder why some of us so dislike our current leader and his party. I hope you are at the very least allowed the chance to vote upon your EU membership.
There MUST be a `hidden` agenda in Government policy that will permit even more mass immigration, but I honestly struggle to understand what it may be. Our health care and utilities infra-structure are already critically stretched and we simply do not have the means to continue to absorb migrants. In many inner city schools it is common to have 30 or so different languages spoken, and 3 weeks ago a Minister declared the need to build more houses on farmland and `green field` sites. We only need to have 2 or 3 weeks without rainfall for our population to drain our reservoirs - and that is after the wettest year I can remember...! We are a dangerously overcrowded small island and I believe that our Government is failing in its primary `duty of care` for our people. I am looking to UKIP to save us from this ugly situation, but even if they win every single seat in the next election, it may be too late. So, HM Government, in the name of reason, STOP THIS MADNESS. NOW...!
Look, I'm not unsympathetic to their plight, but we have enough of our own scroungers here already. Anyone with needed skills or a strong work ethic is welcome - in my opinion - but anyone who just wants to come here for benefits can stay away. In fact, in an ideal world, I'd like to send our lifestyle-choice scroungers (whatever their "heritage") to Bulgaria!
so, we are a sancuary? a place where people who have never contributed a single penny to this country can come and get free hand outs without having to do anything for them.. This is what europe is doing to us, this is what our idiot prime minister wants, this is the downfall of England,,, Welcome to the end of your rightfully earnt standard of living as there will no longer be any money around to suport your English born family.
Another reason to stay an expat.
The borders have to be closed - it's as simple as that
embed44 (see below) - oh I am SO glad that you are benefitting from free movement of labour. AND the Pole is benefiting too....and his wife would perhaps rather live here than in Poland. But what about the rest of us ?! Does the Pole's £1,000 tax contribution cover the cost of Child Benefit that UK pays ? Does it cover any Housing Benefit ? Does it pay for the extra teachers and nurses needed to look after him and his family ? OF COURSE NOT ? And that's the rub. There was a time when 'foreigners' came here to work... and sent money to their wife and 4 kids BACK ! No longer ! THE EU-SSR is the biggest scandal in the past 20 years. AB-SOL-LUTE DIS-GRACE.
Blair got us into this and it's up to Cameron to get us out of it , but he needs to act swiftly and keep us updated.
As we can`t stop these lot coming over here (thanks Tony ) and claiming all they can and filling up an already full to capacity country we need to have a rethink. Why don`t we do a deal with Bulgaria and Romania. Give them the whole Overeseas Aid money that Dodgy Dave has got ringfenced and tell them not to let any of the scroungers out of the country .
Simple, use the military personnel who may or may not be laid of as immigration control. You no have enough cash for visit, you no allowed in. You smell bad, you no allowed in, you come from lawless country, you no allowed in. RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE. Please.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22 - Don't you know what happens to people in this country if they protest about immigration?? They are publicly branded racist which can lead to losing your job and having your children taken away. Same if you protest or even query government and left agenda on a number of other issues.
I have made many Bulgarian friends. They are all charming, honest and far more hard-working than most Brits, not a bunch of benefit-claiming gypsies as the Mail would like to portray. My experience of Romanians (and Poles for that matter) is less positive though.
There are over a million Romanians in Spain and well over a million in Italy. Plus thousands of Albanians,Serbs etc etc etc. It is not only the U.K. This is Europe where the populations have NO choice over anything including their borders, where they are forced to accept populations which have absolutely nothing in common. Their native countries do nothing to improve the conditions of these people but squander and rob European funds. These people have no intention either of changing or intergrating. The people who will pay the price are the national populations these people are heading for. Unfortunately that´s the reality.
This whole article is what is wrong with the UK today. Not once does it mention how these immigrants look forward to coming to the UK in hope of finding + holding down a job, but how they look forward to coming to the UK and living off the benefits system. Why not introduce a system where they have to earn their benefits? Maybe full time volunteer work or something. I'm not against these people coming in at all i'm just sick of working 50 hours a week, paying a fortune in tax and being entitled to nothing when random people are coming in getting free housing + benefits paid for by hard working people like myself
relax ! you sound like the whole world wants to come to britain , it aint so. In fact there's proof that a lot of eastern european have left the uk to go back home for various reasons , I remember when they announced , a few years back , that a bunch of eastern european countries were to join the EU and you predicted a massive influx of migrants to this country , all jobs were to be taken away, bla bla bla... Not so...a godd portion have indeed gone back home as there's no paradise here...
something needs to be sorted for these poor souls in there own country, why is it that the powers that be don't restructure there own country so that the people can live a life instead of dread every day, if it was any of us in the same situation we would be doing what ever it takes to secure our families future wouldn't we, so think on about what you write on here because god is reading this!!!!!!!....... merry Christmas to every one :)
scare mongering DM
Native born Brits struggle to get benefits and yet any old Tom, Dick or Romany are welcomed!! It's time this Government got some balls and legislated to control the borders and keep out all of these economic migrants. No job - No entry.
If you don't like it then do something about it. Many of you have voted for the LIB/LAB/CON for years. UKIP are the only ones that will get us out of this. I was mugged by a young Romainian once, I don't want it to happen again. Keep them out.
And what a surprise he lives in Luton now!!
The million or so landlords/MP's are rubbing their hands with glee...
this infuriates me beyond...
And Cameron does.,......NOTHING!
Look at the state of what they are wanting to get away from. If we let this happen our once grand little country will soon look the same way thanks to them.
Thanks DM for putting a horrible cloud on my Xmas break.e
I'm moving to Bulgaria next year then.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 ------------------------ Your absolutely right Ashley, however us Brits would rather just complain instead of get off our backsides and doing something about it. If it's not this, it's something else. This country is a sinking ship, one which I intend to get off next year when I go to Oz, I'm not coming back. There is nothing here anymore and it's only going to get worse as long as we have spineless idiots running the country. At the end of the day though, they live in their ivory towers and don't have to mix with all this, so they have no idea about the problems this country has with this kind of thing. It scares me to death to think what the UK will be like in 20-30 years at this rate, it's our children I feel sorry for the most.
The problem is we British too polite to object or protest unlike for ie, our French, spanish neighbours etc. We'd rather forget about it , have a brew and watch the X- factor or log in to the mail online and comment about the size of Kardishans bottom or what the hell the Middleton sisters are wearing............................
The end of the world did not come, but the end of Britain is about to. We should seek out Tony Blair and hang him for what he has done to this country. As for Cameron, the man is no better, he should give us the referendum now, in or out. If not he deserves the same fate as Blair.
Even more reason to move away! France here I come!
Just show them our current flood issue at least it looks drier there although they will not object I suppose !
Thought you need a passport to get to the uk island.
Ahhhh the spirit of Christmas, DM.
Is it a joke, no. But what will be the joke is the UK governemt which as usual will sit by and do nothing even when they are aware of everything this country is about to be hit with. I am happy for people to move to this country, but there needs to be the public services to go with it. And while we are broke, there is not the money to put up with this. Theresa May will do nothing, she will speak the speak, but in the end her words will be worthless.
I can't remember being consulted no letting these people into the country. I would have objected if I had been asked. Already I see a load of Eastern European 'Big Issue' sellers in the streets so God knows what it will be like when that lot come over. I don't want them here. If they do come here they should have to live in a remote Scottish island with no electricity and decent housing. We'll soon see how many want to come then.
And behind the Bulgarians and Romanians, 70m Turks are waiting with their bags packed...
Dave and the rest of LIBLABCON are pushing us dangerously close to the brink or a very nasty backlash. There is only one solution and it is to get out of the EU....or, do as the Portuguese and Spanish do and say NO while telling the Eurocrats in Brussels: Choo goin to do aboud it? In the meantime, I have my exit strategy in place and will leave this country for good if it is going to be taken over by foreigners as we already have way way too many.
This is next year as in January 1st 2013 so really it is next week.
If the English want to get out of the EU, they will lose the Scots. Merry Christmas/ Festivus! - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 08:45------- double bonus then. An offer like that will have us all signing up in droves ;-))
A lot of whiners who are prepared to do nothing about it. Typical British armchair lawyers, get off of your backsides and vote UKIP!!!
I am confident that when UKIP get in, this madness will be stopped.
call me racist, I don't care any more, but as a working English person, born and raised, by English parents and grandparents, brought up to know that skiving off others is as low as you can go, I for one don't want these low lifes here. Why should I work till I drop to fund others who refuse to do their fair share. Shut the borders to these people now. They have no right to be here and no rights to claim from our already broke benefit system. Let the rest of Europe have them, we ahve done our bit olver and over again.
Britain is becoming the land of foreign handouts! No wonder UK born residents want to leave and never return. It's sad.
Well it is a cast iron cetainty they will be flocking into this country to get the benefits. Who are we being led by in this country? It is clear whichever party is in power we are governed by elsewhere so Labour or Conservative they are all puppets. To think of all those guys who were killed in the Ist and 2nd world wars to protect freedoms only for us to shamefully surender this freedom without a fight. It is truly mindboggling how fast we are sinking. What iritates me is those 35 and under that love to quote it is now 2012 as if we have progressed. It doesn't matter how many gadgets you have if you lack respect, duty, responsibility, loyalty and most importantly the right principles worth dying for. Sadly we are now too much of the ' me ' society.
DM I see what you are trying to do, but you do realise with emotive and provocative headlines like this, you will cause the ignorant and ill informed to automatically hate these people who have done nothing wrong.
Where the hell did you get this outrageous number?? 29 MILLION?? That's the population of both countries combined!! And I'm saying it again: those people are NOT ROMANIANS(or bulgarians), they are simply called GYPSIES!
Our government is largely run by public school types who live a well-to-do life away from the reality of British life. They have no idea of the real impact of immigration, financial pressure or of the radically changing culture of our towns and cities. Until we have MPs who truly reflect our demographic our law makers will not stop this destabilising tide of immigration.
I was in Istanbul recently, and a turkish restaurant owner was laughing at the UK and how we just allow anyone from the EU in and give them benefits. Blair and his cronies have much to answer to. SORT it out, or Britian as we knew it, will be dead. We must get out of the EU now. What about our rights, the rights of us Brits to live our cultural and traditional lives. Some of the Romanians and Bulgarians will bring serious criminal problems...sorry but we don't want them. Wemust be more robust and look after ourselves first - EU membership has become a cancer that eats away at Britain.
No, no, no, no! This has to stop. We cannot continue to support people who only come here for the handouts that the state give. We don't have enough housing, jobs, health facilities. The next general election will be too late. Cameron has to do something now. There will be no 'Great' Britian and nothing for our children if we let this continue. Vote UKIP all the way!
Is this a joke? - Nikita , bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 08:36 I have a strange feeling it isn't
Either Cameron stops the influx from Romania and Bulgaria or the CONservative Party will be destroyed in 2015. Labour may get back in - but it won't be for long. The British people have had enough of being exploited so that immigrants can live off of us. Close the borders. We're full. Vote UKIP at every opportunity. LibLabCON need a massive kick up the ballot-box and only UKIP can deliver it.
Oh Dear ! This is going to spoil Christmas for your sorry army of xenophobic readers. They will be choking on their turkey at this !
I'm ashamed to be British.
What a pathetic headline Daily Mail. Of course "some" will move here, and if they LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE for 5 years, then they like everyone will be entitled to benefits, too right. You are giving the impression that by this time next year the UK have to pay out benefits to all 29 Million scroungers! And the gullible reading your headline swallow it.
I dont blame these people for wanting to come here, this and previous labour governments have created this situation. Would anyone not want to leave that country to live here where they will get housing etc. Soon we will be swamped by foreigners from poor countries all over the world.
The legal aid barristers are sat with their wallets open just waiting for the next motherload to come this will be aided by the "charities" (pressure groups) in Landaan. Only the capping of legal aid, the removal of charity status and removal of public funding will set the ground for some kind of sanity in this country.
Why were Romania and Bulgaria allowed to join, what can they contribute the the EU? Is it becoming a charity?
Joke Uk.
people on this site nomally assume non eu immigrants fleece the state but if you look at their passprts its says "no recourse to public funds." just to get a visa they have to pay fees, english classes and financial checks to make sure they can fund themselves in the uk. is infact eu immigrants who have the free for all
Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks. - Captain Gas , Bristol, 24/12/2012 08:35 Not true, you are full of gas like your mob now in power, the Conservatives took us into Europe by signing the Maastricht Treaty......Labour only ratified that treaty !
Who can blame them?
Don't panic, you'll all be under water by then, and I'll have the beautiful mountains all to myself... suckers!
GAzza - Mr Cameron had nothing to do with this. If anything this occurred on the watch of the previous Government - Brown, Blair - remember them?
Who can blame them?
This cannot be allowed to happen, another couple of million dependants will tip the scales. Britain will be one big shanty town. This is not racism this is year one basic economics, it can't be done. The majority of us have worked and paid taxes to support and breath life into our country, older generations have suffered in 2 world wars. Another couple of million will finish us. WE need to do something and it needs to be done NOW
This is What happens when You have a Weak-Government. (Mr Cameron Nick Clegg Ed Milliband & Co). The Muppets. Thats why the UK needs a Real-Man/Leader to be Free & Independent As Soon As Possible from Germanys/EU.
One of my greatest joys is poring through the array of comments at the base of articles bemoaning immigration from people who have, well, emigrated...
Get out of the EU NOW. Leave the problem to France. Why ? Because they DESERVE it.
I think that if Mr Cameron does not get-rid, forthwith, of the EU, we will have to rid ouselves of Mr. Camaeron. He best fits the description as, "Disappointing"
I'm in shock that none of you have any compassion for these people, look at the description of how awful their lives are!!! And all you can think about is yourselves. As if you would not do the same thing in their position.
'Treasure Island' is now FULL!..... Enough's enough. Someone needs to put a stop to this, and sharpish.
Great news! If we get enough immigrants we can sort this country out. No more bowing and scraping to the royals, no more being ripped of by the utilities, corporations and fuel duty, no more tory governments they just won't put up with it! Ok there may be civil unrest, the odd riot on the streets, murder and a little mayhem but thats ok; isn't it?
Over recent years, I have harboured a dream of selling up and moving to the Lakes. I just may set my compass a little further North and hope that the Scots rebuild Hadrian's wall, from the other side!
I used to have no problem at all with other people moving to the UK, but it's a joke now!! Especially when I want a doctors appointment, and I can't get one for 9 days as the surgery can't cope with the numbers. When I finally got my appointment on Tuesday last week, out of 27 people in the waiting room, myself and one other were Scottish. I feel like a minority in my own country and fed up paying the bills for others!
Dave want to win the next election,grow a pair and stop this now.
I see the British are expressing thier Christian love for thier fellow man.
Ahhhhh - a nice heart warming story of panic, depression, fear and general ill being from the Daily mail on Christmas eve. Ever thought of writing for Eastenders ?
The only way you can stop this is to get out of the EU NOW! By the time Carmeron thinks about getting around to a referendum on our membership there could be aother 5 million people living here - and most of those wont be contributing to our budget deficit - they wll be taking out of it - big time.. Then you wonder why you can't see a doctor, get a hospital bed or why your taxes have gone up?
God help this country and all that live here , we ae sinking into the mire and debt faster than anyone could have imagined and those that allowed it to happen live in their ivory towe eating their cake whilst the rest of us eat bread .
Come to Britain, we have streets paved with gold. Where the rich get richer, the people who don't work live a nice life on benefits, and the working class gets Screwed left right center paying for all this. Thank god I left this all behind in Britain. Here in India I get what I pay for.
Well if this news does not cause a revolution on the streets of the UK, then I don't know what will, because frankly, I have had enough! Cameron, grow some balls and stick two fingers up at the EU and do us all and your political future a favour for once in your life!
Would Bulgaria offer the same hand outs to jobless brits turning up and expecting to be looked after without ever contributing to the country?
What do you think they want to build on all our green land for. Certainly not for the good old tax paying Brit
So worrying! Makes me sad to think what our country will end up like. There are already parts of london that are so overtaken with immigrants you feel like youre in a foreign country and treat you with no respect what so ever! wish the UK would take a leaf out of Australias book! if you dont like the way we live dont come here! why do we have to change to be tollerant! and surely the 1st place of refuge is not an island where you have to pass through the whole of the EU to get here! So infuriating! our infrastructure cannot cope!
If you haven't paid into the system you shouldn't be able to collect from it!! i live in a small market town in Lincolnshire and the sheer amount of non-english is frightening, We are the minority! we have So much Crime here from drink driving to assaults it worries us. I am not racist but these people come over here and overstretch our NHS, Schools, Councils etc. Grow a backbone Government England is closed otherwise we are going to start sinking even faster!! x
Having experienced these two nations when visiting their respective countries, believe me these people are as bad, if not worse, than anyone can describe. It is time to stop the talking Mr Cameron and actually DO something for a change. For starters may I suggest telling the EU, at the earliest opportunity, enough is enough and we will NOT accept these people, nor will we be handing over any more taxpayers money as the UK is withdrawing from the EU. Instead of being wasted, we will then put our billions of pounds to better use by starting to get our country back on a secure, financial footing.
My husband was waiting for a client at Heathrow one day and was watching the passengers enter the arrivals hall...the driver next to him, who he had never met before, said " Do you you know what mate...we are only a small island and if this carries on as it is this country will sink." Never a truer word. Of course our Politicians will say that all immigration is good for the country...poppycock. Our services are going down the drain under the pressure and the Liberal left just stand by and rub their hands.
If this happens the countries finished. What can we do about it, there isn't any political party with backbone.
UKIP is a pipe dream ,farage is a joke next you will be telling me boris will be priminister.
Welcome to the gene pool!
A one way ticket to bankruptcy....we have to get out of the EU sharpish...
Come on Nigel, this is UKIP's big chance. Dave and the idiot Clegg won't do anything about this. I am so glad I don't live in the UK...
This HAS to be stopped.
Am pleased that I do not live in the UK but feel very sorry for you folks that work so hard and pay your taxes etc but for what to keep other's in benefits what is the matter with the Government as someone says why do people not protest literally bring the UK to a complete standstill that may be the wrong thing to do but where on earth are they getting all the money from to pay the people these benefits. 2013 will be a very grim year and not just in the UK
Dont blame them ! If I was them I would come here - got to look after number one in this life. However, do blame the ruling classes for allowing this to happen to this once great country.
Aren't you folks crowded enough? Who is allowing ever more jostling throngs of people into your sardine packed country? - HaywoodZarathustra, Fat City, 24/12/2012 1:22 My street has completely changed in the last 5 years alone. There are loads of foreign men living in the 2 bed house next door to me. I don't feel safe when I have to walk past them when they're all smoking right out side my front door when I get home after work. If we could move we would but we can't afford it. The answer to your question is the EU. But no one I know wants us to be the EU. We are because its supposed to be good for our economy...
¿We are discriminated against as gipsy people. In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same"......A few more articles such as this and the masses will come around and welcome them with open arms.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
They are welcome to the dump the government has created. Most will stay in the London area anyway. Good!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22.............................Because as a nation we are apathetic, we just roll over and except it. I'm alright jack mentality is another way you could describe it.
so that'll leave our country in the triple dip recession most likely, great.
Cue the horrible, racist comments. - Anon , Newcastle, 24/12/2012 08:33 - Cue the despairing Britons and have witnessed their once great county reduced to a crime ridden cesspit with no hope for the people who have paid into the system for years or their children.
It's Christmas. Do you have to print such Xenophobic, RACIST stuff today and tomorrow? There are a lot of them in France, but not 29 million!
I don't think me or my family can ever live like that.
Someone just lit the touchpaper.
Christmas Eve and this is your top story!? Nice going DM. I didn't get angry allthough you tried. Merry Christmas everybody!
We're already bursting at the seams! I've been a life long Tory voter, though it's now time to take action and vote UKIP. Enough now.
We need to understand that millions of these people WILL come to the UK the first chance they get, and that it will probably turn parts of the UK into slums of the kind featured in the above photographs. There are nowhere near enough homes for existing needs, never mind millions more immigrants from anywhere, and no jobs either. The government is trimming welfare benefits for existing residents and it would therefore be the epitome of irrational decision taking to allow many more in. We need to understand the disastrous social and financial implications of the EU "open door" policy for the UK, and our politicians need to close our borders NOW, well before it starts to happen, if necessary by quitting the EU. No trading or other cooperative treaty with EU countries will be worth the consequences ... consequences which will probably affect ONLY the UK !
Just read this article it's beggers belief, it must be the 1st April - All fools day instead of Christmas Eve!! Come on readers and the public of the Uk enough is enough !!
And Dave wants to wait until at least 2014 for a Referendum? Meanwhile, anything that isn't anchored in concrete disappears and the benefits system colapses. What abot the NHS which can't cope already? i have nver really givenit much thought but.....Scotland may just have the right idea or "the only solution" because the UK Government will do nothing. Britain, the Ghetto of Europe! - Patrick, Belfast, 24/12/2012 08:37 I wouldn't bring Scotland up. Alex Salmond wants to stay in Europe at any cost and has no intention of ever giving a referendum on EU membership.
People from other countries who want to live in Great Britian must demonstrate that they speak English, that they are coming here to work and the job is worked out before they arrive ( they have skills and qualifications ) . In my opinion they also have to understand the idea of integrating and getting the hang of British culture . Clearly if they are independently wealthy and can support themselves they can then contribute as the rest of us do to maintaining the structure and the values of our country . It is no surprise that these folk are not knocking on the doors of other EU countries as quite simply they will be told to shove off !!!! Entry should be massively screened , with lots of interviews and above all proof that they are coming to contribute and add to our nation.
It was a mistake to give eastern European third world countries full membership of the EU. Give them 50 years to sort themselves out first. As an English speaking nation we will always be the premier destination for EU immigrants. We should make our system work for us i.e complex forms that take years to process and no benefits in the meantime
Why can't the Government say NO to these people, we cannot afford to support any more of these people, I have been at work for 40yrs and now have to work until I am 67yrs old, and my taxes will be helping these people claim benefits.......................just back from Australia I wish I had emigrated there years ago!
Well Tony Blair still maintains immigration is good and surely he wouldn't to us would he?
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much. - Cade, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 23/12/2012 ..................................................................................................................................................................................................... Are you a total idiot? 600000 Eastern Europeans sounds like a horde to me. And that is just the ones who have registered. Most do not as all they need to work is a passport. I have worked with some and they have told me this.
Time for a real cut in benefits. A minimum level benefit for the jobless, a very low level of housing benefit as basic rates. After that a benefit tied to years of residence and another for years of paying into the system. If you paid in then you take out, if you didn't you get basics.Child benefit for two children only. That at least will stop people coming here to scrounge off the benefit system. A better alternative is to get out of the EU now.
As a public sector worker who has NEVER claimed a penny in state benefits in over 22 years of my adult life, I'm expected to foot the bill for these parasites? At the same time I'm having my pension, which I've paid for, slashed, having to pay more, to receive less, I've had a 3 year pay freeze with another 2 years to go. I'm someone who never visits the doctors, lives a healthy life, not putting a strain on the NHS and this government will stand by and let this happen??!! This is one cruel, twisted, screwed up country. Only in (the once great) Britain.
I can't wait! Romanian gypsy violin players on every other corner! THE EU is costing this country a lot.Is it really worth it?
There are three choices facing Britain to prevent a massive influx of immigrants that will suck the state dry with benefit entitlement. 1/ You leave the EU and control who comes in. 2/ You stay in the EU but ignore EU rules. 3/ You set stringent rules on benefits that require 10 years prepayment of averaged contributions or alternatively a lump sum to be paid in advance. The UK pays 3k5 each year to other member states just for health care for each of its pensioners. By extrapolation, every family of 4 from these countries should pay up front 140k for medical cover for those first 10 years. As for other benefits, the same rules can apply to cover housing and schooling costs.
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY! Troy Mclure, United Kingdom, 24/1/2012 8:27 I think we have exhausted that line of employment, there are just so many farm working jobs to go around.
so thousands of british children have become homeless this year because of david cameron and atos, sick people that claimed benefit have had their benefit stopped and then they commit suicide ,thousands of british people are dead because cameron stopped their benefit and now david cameron is letting these romanian gypsies into our country to claim benefits? what in gods name is going on people? are you not going to stand up for yourselves? what is going on here? something is completely and absolutely wrong here,i think now is the time to stand up and protest and go asbolutely mental i think,we are being taken advantage of and nobody is doing a damn thing about it? what is going on? are we a nation of idiots? yes i think so,WAKE UP!!!
Daily Mail, shame on you to induce fear of an invasion from the East. You show pictures of Gipsies and name them as representative for Romanians and Bulgarians. Daily Mail reporters and editors, you use stereotypes. In response to your ignorant message, any stupid tabloid in the East could show binge drinkers, drug addicts, pedophiles and say "they are the English, fear them". Daily Mail, you encourage xenophobia, totalitarianism, ignorance. When you will suffer, you will know what you did - articles to stigmatize others.
We should be proud. I quote from the article: "In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same." A great reputation. Prejudice is terrible, and I feel sorry for the Roma. They have no chance. Don't forget, though, that most Romanians and Bulgarians are decent and hardworking. I've never been to Bulgaria, but have been to Romania several times and love it (going again soon). Only trouble I had was in a dark street when a little boy tried to 'help' me and to put his hand in my pocket. Immediately stopped him, but he persisted, so I shouted at the top of my voice, GO AWAY. He did, and that is the only problem I ever had. It is difficult, but we can't show prejudice against any ethnic group just because of their ethnicity: we don't do that. The EU is a different thing, but if UKIP comes to power I guarantee that within six months everyone will be fed up with them. There is more to running a country than leaving the EU.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad.- Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for your sentiments Ashley - Fat chance of any action here,they're too busy to be bothered about their nation.
Shut the borders ignore the EU this country is full of 1 pound fish.
Time to leave EU!
Anyone migrating to Australia cannot claim benefits for two years, enough said.
Oh How Wonderful,,, Our once great nation that is now overrun by those from other countries that have no interest in working and/or contributing to our economy just want to TAKE TAKE TAKE. Enough already. NO ROOM AT THE INN,, Put a sign up at all the ports reading "NO VACANCIES" Britain cannot afford our already over the top benefits system. And We all know WHO will be paying the bills. Yes, BRITISH taxpayers as always.
UKIP. Enough said.
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !
No, NO, NO. This country has a history of opening its doors to people who are in need of a safe haven. Whilst Tony Blair and his wife were in power, the government deliberately opened our doors to every country in creation because - in THEIR opinion - the UK didn't have enough foreigners living here! Now we are known as the 'SOFT TOUCH" of Europe and we MUST STOP NOW. I am not racist, but if we continue to pay benefits and offer free education, health care and housing to the world, THIS COUNTRY WILL BE BANKRUPT. Already the government is taking money from the indigenous population to give to the newcomers, very soon we shall be in exactly the same situation as GREECE and SPAIN with ordinary British people destitute. We MUST STOP PAYING ANYTHING TO NEWCOMERS NOW, if this country is to stay solvent.
Good grief...what a low life shower....the crime rate will go up....social cohesion will break down and the extreme right will have a field day....the whole idea of millions more is ludicrous...we cant cope...sorry to all you liberal types but you all know the experiment has failed and we are heading for serious trouble and all the intergrationists are to blame and should be brought to account. I want no part of living with these...gypsies...
instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 Oh So because of your protesting you don't have immigration or illegal immigrants in the US?
The UK is becoming Europe's human dustbin and the population just sits there and watches it happen. Gutless lot. Glad I left a few years ago...
You really want to know how much your country has changed in the past 20 or so years? Ask an ex pat, in fact ask any ex pat!!
For all our sakes get us out of the EU before this happens.
Nice bit of blatant racism, thanks DM.
The day when our country can't afford to give benefits and homes to Europes great unwanted should have come and gone. Unfortunately the silver spoon brigade that run our country can't see that. They want Europe to think we are still GREAT BRITAIN. Unfortunately we are not we are broken, desperate , rather broke Britain. We neglect care of our elderly , vulnerable and sick , the people we trust to run this country rob us blind with green taxes, massive petrol duty and their expense claims, send our money abroad to countries that laugh at us and put it towards weapons or give to corrupt officials. Our leaders agreed to Work together but can't agree on the day of the week let alone policy, education is in an awful state and our youngsters idea of fun isto get absolutely wasted and throw up on each other. And that's just a few of the things I can list off the top of my head. We need to shut the gates, pull up the drawbridge and start looking after our own people.
The UK can not possibly support these people, the benefit system is not fit for purpose and hemorages cash at an alarming rate. If this alone isnt enough reason to pull the UK out of the EU and slam the doors on further imigration, then there's no hope what so ever. We have fewer police on the streets who are already stretched to breaking point. The article clearly points out how the Bulgarian government have failed to tackle the problem of organised crime, some of these people are already here an opperating in Britian. This is all part of Germany's master plan to control Europe, they tried it twice before with arms and lost, but now thier using economics and MUST BE STOPPED.
EU law allows countries to deny entry and benefits to anyone coming in to scrounge off the system. Just grow a pair and return them, because from what I have seen here in Spain they only have one way of supporting themselves.
There is not enough work for people who live here now. If we were out of the EU we would not have to suffer this
that's why i love living in czech republic - you have to earn benefits, it's just not given to random people, so freeloaders don't want to come there. also i know quite few families which have their members emigrated to uk to live on benefits just because they would have to work in their own countries for that money. you get what you give...
It amazes me how politicians bang on about baby breeders that don't have the means to support themselves YET we still allow mass immigration when we don't have the means to accommodate them. THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE UK ARE ALREADY UNDER MASSIVE STRESS PLEASE DON'T LET THEM COME HERE.
I don't actually think they can claim anything least of all a house !! Just be tented villages , & let's face it it will be rik expensive for them ?!
Mr Qartada has not done anything and should be allowed to stay in Britain....the story against him is fabricated by our government to make us look good and to justify the millions of people we've killed around the world all in the name of terror. The real reason Great Britain is no longer "Great"....since we started following America's orders to destroy innocent countries like Iraq and Afghanistan etc. These countries did not pose any threat to us...they were living happy in their countries until we got there.. Since we have destroyed their lives and homes the people of Iraq and Afghanistan should be allowed to come to Britain...if you don't like it then stop destroying their countries.....we need to look closer to home because we have become the terrorist.
Most the posters on here continue to vote Conservative or Labour and you will deserve what you get. This country deserves a change...get us out of europe NOW!!
the population of Bulgaria is only 7.3Million! maybe 23 is an overestimate?
Simple - if you cannot support yourself or your family then get out. These rules are for all tourist coming into UK so why not apply them to all coming into UK. And no benefits until you work and pay taxes for a minimum of 5 years or more. Tourists and visitors also have ot pay for their medical - so same should apply to them too. Infact these rules apply to all even British Citizens who have not lived in the country for 3 years or more so why is it a freebie for Europeans.
I left the UK some left years ago and for ever. Only a blind, deaf idiot would have had a problem not seeing what Blair and Brown started and once started these things are almost impossible to stop. The UK was nice while it lasted,,,
Trading the slums of Europe for the slums of England then eh?...another country full of immigrants thinking the grass is greener on the other side because they heard stories of a couple of immigrants from there home country that made it....
I wonder if the Norwegians are thankful they wont have to tolerate this sort of thing, I heard only yesterday they think it would be unwise for us to leave the EU hahahahahahahahahahahahhh Unfortunately Britain has been progressively made an attractive place for the scroungers and crooks of this world.Heaven help us!!!!!
Wow! this story is all of the DM's Christmas's come at once!!
I hope this is just scaremongering
Headlines and stories like this make me grateful I have no children. I pity our BRITISH children having to grow up and live in our society and world today. They will be the forgotten lot. BRITAIN GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT. TRUE NATIVE BRITS SHOULD COME FIRST - SORT US OUT BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE.
Please stop coming here the streets are not paved with gold just litter and dog muck
they should not be able to claim benefit and if people want to come to our country they should have to be able to offer the country something with a skill to be able to work here.or they don't get in.come on Cameron do something about this and stop letting all these people in get tougher
Note: to all those blaming Cameron, it was *LABOUR* policies that got the UK into the mess it is in and we have a *COALITION* government... Sheesh!
Let's get out of the EU now. Bet France won't take them. Maybe instead of uncontrolled migration the EU could pour even more money into these places. Don't want to pick up that bill either. Is that PC enough for you all?
Do something, Cameron and May.
funny how they all arrive when UKIP are getting a voice, just to dilute it down again. I detest Labour and the Tory parties, neither stand for what they should do and you can NEVER vote them out. This is no democracy!!!
There is no way that this country can support these people. There are no jobs for them. The hospitals and infrastructure already cannot cope. The only way these people can come here is if the government borrows more money to pay them benefits as they are not taking enough in taxes to support them. This country if finished.
Y Britain y not France Spain or Germany send eu people back
Hahaha. The good old DM. Guaranteed to give its readers apoplexy, high blood pressure, and heart attacks on Christmas Eve!
Blair and Brown you should be ashamed of what you have done. I will now seriously consider voting UKIP.
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
So they joining up with the Greeks and Spanish.
Its time human being realised we are all citizens of the world not a country. They are people just the same as the rest of us. They deserve just as much. Just because your born into poverty doesn't mean you can't strive for more. Happy Christmas to ALL men. Have a bit of compassion people.
Keep them out!
There is only one thing you can do to save the country. Vote UKIP. It isn't perfect but for now its all there is.
AND there is nothing LIBLABCON can or will do about it. EU regulations say we MUST receive them, house them, medicate them, educate them or else. I regret that this spells the end of Britain as we have known it as there is no way we can survive under such an invasion. Where has our fighting spirit gone? There should be demos in Trafalgar Square by now but nothing. I have done my bit and joiuned UKIP but most sheeple think LIBLABCON will change if voted in again in 2015.
Never mind about letting more in, we should be sending those already here and claiming benefits back, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR OUR OWN
Why give the country all the aid we send out to India and Africa then they won't need to come here.
We now have three choices, which are going to be hard to pick: 1. We protest HARD. Go on strikes; stop paying tax and protest outside of the parliament house for long hours until hopefully the morons inside will start to listen for once. 2. We move out and leave Britain behind to suffer further more and hopefully find work in different parts of the world. 3. Stay quiet and suffer the consequences. Reality is, as long as we only leave these comments on DM while really doing nothing; it's not going to make any difference. We need to really start acting now or it will really be too late to do anything. We have to act NOW!!!
Maybe when Romania and Bulgaria are empty we should all move over there!
I just love to watch England implode from afar its called karma!!!!
I know - lets build houses for them on the green belt..... oh dear, silly me, that's exactly what the Conservative party plan to do! This country is a rubbish tip now - things can only get worse, but I expect some Tory Toff somewhere will be making money out of it all, so that's fine!
I see what's happening here. Get the tabloids to release this information that we didn't know about, sensationalise it to the max. Talks of an EU Referendum will heat up in the new year and we may even get one, we vote the EU out, Cameron saves the day from all the new immigrants that were going to come over and take all our hard earned tax payers money. Everybody forgets how bad Cameron and his tory cronies are, people forget about UKIP because the Tories saved the day, and they get in for another 5 years at the next election. Don't fall for it. If we get a referendum to vote out the EU, so the Tories can try their best save their skins in power, don't forget about UKIP and all it stands for.
Britain is just a joke
A message to all of our inept, remote, self serving, politicians...."We are already full to breaking point! Let this lot in and you'll really start to see anger!"
Absolutely NO!!!!!!
Be afraid, very afraid.
How come nobody says nowt about the people pouring in everyday from Asia, Africa and West Indies?
To those brave souls who sacrificed their lives in 2 wars for England, I am truly sorry
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE EU, NOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't understand. If I was down on my luck and decided to move to Spain - I would be entitled to nothing. How comes anyone coming to the UK gets these handouts??
Great headline DM, causing panic much "We're on our way to Britain: In a year up to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. And many from the gipsy community can hardly wait to get here". Let me try to rephrase the headline so it more accurately conveys the story " We're on our way to Britain: In a year up to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain where they can work and contribute to make this country even greater than it already is." There, more accurate and less panic, but I guess it wouldn't sell newspapers to dense UKIP voters.
There is an easy remedy to this problem while staying within EU law and staying in the EU. Bring back the original social security system (contibution based, if no contibutions made all that will be available is a bed in a shelter and canteen meal, no cash, no non essentilas e.g. booze, cigs or sky sports) that way by treating our own benefit claimants the same way we can limit access to the other EU citizens to the same. Thus removing the reason to travel all the way from the East to us when there are more generous nations on the route.
A sensible political move now would be to cut in half both minimum wage and benefits. Then their would be work for everyone who wanted it.
Enough is enough - do not let them in
Stop ALL immigration NOW. Leave the despicable EU NOW and make a determined start to return ALL those not entitled to be in the UK NOW. The last thing this country needs is more imports from Eastern Europe with their filthy ways and diseases and if we have to join one of the more radical political parties to do this - Cameron, be warned.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
Whe is the UK going to employ normal people in government to close the abusive and stupid loopholes that we have. The social elite have caused a complete mess with overseeing and turning a blind eye. Sharp action is needed and swiftly to show that we are a soverign. If the Scots leave for referendum, then they will surely go on their own and not take or have access to our taxes pot. Sorry Scots, but the price does have to account for free university tuition.
Migration is not a crime....it's a shame 'bigotry' isn't either.....
Well everyone in the UK, compaln to your MP via the internet, or in person. Also, vote UKIP.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them.
Im missing something here pensioners cant afford to heat their homes more people than ever on poverty line And what's our plan Bring in more Romanians and Bulgarians to give them benefits ??
The British are a nation of armchair complainers with no backbone to do anything about it. And to think we used to rule the world.......
I know Britain can't afford to keep paying benefits and that you're over-crowded, but you can't blame people for wanting to escape such a terrible, hopeless life. I've known lots of Roma, from Eastern Europe and Westrern Europe, and on the whole they've been really nice, honest, good people. There but for fortune..Blame the governments that have shoved them into such a situation in those countries, not the victims.
how much more have we got to take from these brain dead polititions if they allow this to happen we will be finished for good
I bet they have higher morals and closer families than the feral scum we're breeding here ourselves. I'd do a swapsie any day.
Oh god no!!! We can't take any more, we are at capacity as it is. Why are they entitled to benefits?????? Surely the EU would be better off helping them in their own country? Countries like this will end up being wastelands as everyone has left.
Think this is bad? Wait until the other SEVEN poor eastern EU nations join up too by 2018. You ain't seen nothing yet. You thought Uncontrolled pole migration was bad. At least they speak English!
If Cameron and clegg and milliband dont realise the dangers here of flooding our? country with another swathe of Balkanese immigrants they must be off their heads. You are cutting benefits, there are no jobs, our NHS is under severe problems and we dont have the houses. So all il all it will be a pigs breakfast when the freedom of movement of labour allows them in en masse.... sleepwalking into a nightmare...
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 01:14......... No, but we don't have any Mexicans. (Yet).
NO!! This must not happen, enough is enough!
If the present government dont do something about this they will never ever be forgiven. They will be tarred with the same brush as New Labour for ever.
talk about scare mongering DM! It is time we closed our doors though...
¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ Our country already has too many under skilled and barely emplyable people from it's own native and immigrant population, we do not need or want any more.
Forewarned is for armed...
And where on earth are they supposed to go. There aren`t enough jobs to go round now [all supposing they would want to work] and not enough houses either. For God`s sake Cameron, wake up and smell the coffee. No other country would do this.
I can't wait! Yay.
This makes NO difference to politicians lives only Joe Public's. While they sit in their ivory towers only doing what's best for them and their bank balance we have to deal with the mess that they leave this country in. I think we need to press our local MP's over this and FORCE their hand into doing something for once.
Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!! - words21 , Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 01:20=========================================== Actually, it is the previous Labour government that permitted this to happen, and also sign up to the EU human rights act so that we cannot get rid of anyone. Please complain to Ed milliband who was in government then, and Ed Balls etc
No more conservative votes from me, it is now Ukip all the way
Glad I left too! Imagine returning to my old home town to find thousands of Romanian migrants no doubt requiring millions on taxpayer court cases to simply drive 500 yards to their next mug stop. Stories like these make my want to never return. The UK can kiss goodbye to my engineering degree and 10 years exp. with any luck Scotland will get independence and actually do something about the wretched eu
We need a in/out referendum in 2013 on EU membership, my vote OUT
Out of EU that's the only to avoid this future mess. Cameron wakew up,let's have a referendum, in order to be preoud of beenig BRITISH.
Hmm, I wonder what particular skill sets, that we are so desperately in need of according to Vincent Cables other half, will this bunch bring to our shores?
Welcome to Britain! Will be interesting to see what happens when 5 million gipsies arrive. The idiots who let Rumania and Bulgaria into the EU should be strung up
The main reason there are benefit cuts in the UK is to make sure there is enough cash spare to pay benefits to all the Bulgarians and Romanians next year as they are fully entitled to it and nothing can be done as the EU say so. All you taxpayers who rant on about paying tax and national insurence for many years,you are wasting your breath,the EU does not give a toss. You will be shocked to find out that they will be able to claim a full UK pension too. Im sure a UK taxpayer has to contribute 30 years N.I. to qualify for full UK pension. Labour are 10 points ahead. God help this country if you vote them in. Happy Christmas and God save the Queen, !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The article is wrong. If they can't find work, the UK can send them back. Our govt doesn't, only because it likes to be politically correct.
Oh PS and Qatada is STILL here.
If we are really serious about this then the only viable option is to Vote UKIP. Dont be fooled by any other party offering a vote on European membership. Even if we did vote to leave it would happen until at least 2020 by then the damage will be far worse than it is now. Other European countries, like France, ignore some of the EU directives. Its about time we did the same. Means test any EU citizen coming into the UK so they have to have a job and means to support themselves, else they wont be allowed in. Its quite simple, if we have the bottle to do it!
Disgusted at how CaMORON has failed to get his finger out of his backside and start to take all this seriously. Am ashamed and disgusted by this Government's failure to to anything about this. He is more concerned about gay marriages than listening to us. Do Nothing Dave - you are a disgrace.
Yeah blimmin foriegns taking our land, our wives and all our cleaning jobs we dont want. They deserve the rubbish life their having because....erm....yeah! I like it when loads of english babies are born from teenagers and costing me tax money in benefits cos they're English babies. So that's alright cos its different, I applaud the birth of an English baby. I think you should be punished for where you are born even though you have no control over it.
Well, you know the bankers, and other rich men, that this country needs to prosper (supposedly). Why can't we send them to Bulgaria and Romania to create prosperity in those countries; under the title humanitarian aid of course. I'm sure all the pro-European Union would only be too glad to help these poor people.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
how many will be next door neighbours to BLAIR, CLEGG, CAMERON , MANDELSON,et al--answers on a postage stamp please-----
PRINCE CHARLES OWNS PROPERTIES IN ROMANIA. If he is allowed to own land and houses in Romania, as any other EU citizen is to be allowed, then any Romanian is allowed to buy properties anywhere in the EU, UK included. Daily Mail shows only the Gipsies from Bulgaria and Romania and induce the fear amongst the British. The poor from the East might leave all around Europe, not only to Britain. If any British company or person is allowed to invest in Romania or Bulgaria (Vodafone, RBS, Land Rover etc make a lot of money in Romania and Bulgaria, money used to pay taxes to the British goverment), then anyone the rich and the poor from the East should be allowed to try for a better life in the UK. If the English want to get out of the EU, they will lose the Scots. Merry Christmas/ Festivus!
Vote UKIP!!! I do feel sorry for the poverty they have to endure. But it's for ALL of Europe to help them. NOT just the UK. I will be voting UKIP.
Its another ( BEAST FROM THE EAST ) fabrication from the DM story , the motto is , when in doubt , scaremonger or wind people up, P people off and then wish them a merry xmas, the botton of the barrel has been reached .
Big Issue, Big Issue! Thank you very muuuuuuuch........
What will the Politico,s do? sit on their hands most likely.
This will definitely happen and under the EU laws that this Government concedes to, there is nothing that can be done to stop it. And when they do arrive on platform one we can never get rid no matter how many laws they break, how many criminals murderers terrorists find their way here. The strain on our infrastructure and the benefit system will be unbearable. Still, never mind we can all be happy in the knowledge that our huge foreign aid budget won't be affected it will still increase each year even though we can't afford it. Isn't life grand in the UK. Well I shall be in a different country by then. I have said several times before that I have a cunning plan to escape.
Vote UKIP time yo leave EU our country is sinking with too.much immigration its economic migration of the worst kind
Oh DM why are you ruining everyones xmas ?
Enough is enough!.get us out of the EU . Cameron you are a joke.
And that's the very reason I'm getting out ...
Why will they be coming here to collect benefits when they've never worked here or paid tax????? Merkles got loads of money in Germany, send them there.....
Nigel - your big moment is coming - its looking like its all down to you to save what is left of our Country - no one is going to.
Sort this out please Mr Cameron. This is another disaster waiting to happen! We want a static population....not growth! We are only a small island and I fear that mass immigration will change are wonderful country for the worse. It's time we clamped down on immigration and closed our borders!
Thank you Blair and Brown for starting this, and to you Cameron for not stopping it. (sarcasm I believe it's called)
Labour's legacy just keeps on giving. Send them all to Scotland where that coward Brown, who signed us up to all this and did it a day after everyone else so he wouldn't appear in the group photos, can look after them. No wonder they are so keen on independence!
I thought we are supposed to be saving money in the uk, to reduce our massive uk debt... Due to MPs past stupidity of an unregulated banking system.... That said the question is why do foreign people wish to come to the uk and not in the same numbers to other countries...?.... Because we have a far too soft government and that has been to our cost... Acting like father xmas to anyone coming here all year round is just plain crazy... There has to be a sensible balance and commonsense in anything, beyond that point stress and frustration happens and that's where many other problems are created... !
WOW!!!!!! going down hill even more, guess the end of the world is starting now!! haha. good.
Well.......we all know what to do, let's put our vote where our mouths are. Surely there are only two party's to vote for.........BNP or UKIP, take your pick!!!!!!!
i love how multicultural Britain is. I think that is what makes us so unique and different to most of the places in the world. You see black, white, indian, yellow...you name it - we have it all...and that is great! However, when the money we are paying to our governments is going to non working, non british people...i do have a problem. we spend £43 million a day being in the EU...and now we have to allow them to claim benefits. This is beyond!! These people are crooks and are not welcome here simply for the crime rate will rocket and our money is going into their back pocket! Please, Mr Cameron, Sort this out!!!!! I am SO voting UKIP, its unreal.
Keep them out.
quit the E.U the British have been crapped on enough Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 has any body protested about the gun law ??
Welcome to Britain! OK joke... We need to tackle this issue sensibly and sensationalist DM journalism isn't going to add value apart from stir emotions.
Ho ho ho!!! Merry Christmas one and all.... Come to Britain were the roads are paved in benefits and free housing.... How is this possible? It's because the hardworking law abiding families will suffer by paying over inflated taxes. Hold on, with no pay rises and a spineless government who reward their own...... This country is a JOKE... Happy New Year, immigrants, terrorists and spongers.......
This country really is turning into a rotting mess..... Those slums in the photos will soon be Britain!
'Freedom of movement'????!!!!! Presumably the E.U is run by the mentally ill! Time to get out but i fear its already too late.
I feel for these people, I genuinely do, but this country cannot take anymore. We are full. Please close the immigration doors before it seriously gets out of control.
It is surely time we all marched IN Britain. When we had a referendum (and I voted against joining the EU even then as I could see the potential problems), it was to join about 6 other nations who had a similar standard of living and whose languages we could understand to some extent. Nobody voted for joining Eastern European countries.
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12 Would still rather live in England than the US any day!!
Hmmmm - usual scaremonger article. I have actually lived and worked in Sofia, and yes it is very stricken in many places, but most of the people love the way of life we dont have in the UK. They have very warm summers, meditteranean climate and food/drinks very different from the UK....a lot of them wont want to move here. Yes we will probably see a rise in immigration, and yes it does need controlling but immigration if ran correctly works. If they commit a crime here, they will be ineligible for their benefits long-term and will lose their visa status so stop the widespread panic. Kids nowadays dream they will be WAG's or pop stars instead of farmer labourers, car washers, supermarket shelvers etc so we need immigration. Every country has immigration - USA is overran with South-americans and Australia with Asians, Germany, Italy and Spain all have the same issues as the UK....
No one can save us from this horror of thousands of foreigners claiming everything they can get their hands overrun with people who have no knowledge of our past or interest in it.I have a deep dislike for all the politicians over the years who have enjoyed watching the break up of wonderful country just to thrust their love of multicuturalism on a people who never wanted all these immigrants.
Only in England, the rest of the EU would not put up with this, I suppose it's time for the English to either start packing of take to the streets.
I've nothing against immigration and immigrants BUT I object to uncontrolled mass immigration.When people refer to the benefits of immigrants coming to this country, they're talking about an era when a few hundred at most would come each month,and our population was much lower. We can't continue to accept a city the size of Leeds or Bristol to come and settle here annually.Where will they live,and how will our schools and hospitals etc cope ?
Maybe we should all move to the USA and other places and let them have our country. It is on its knees anyway! All they have to do is stop the benefits and they won't come here. Get us out of the EU and stop all this nonsense.
Britain is now the official dustbin of Europe.
Nothing like a bit of festive Xenophobia from the Mail! What a shameful shower this paper is / has become.
HOW MUCH LONGER ARE YOU BRITS GOING TO SIT ON YOUR BACKSIDES AND ALLOW THE INVATION AND ACCUPATION OF YOUR ISLANDS TO CONTINUE/ ?????????????
They can't come! There's no room at the inn.
Shut the gate's NOW! We can support our own properly, never mind others! Discussing! I dread to think of the state of 'Great Britain' when our children are adults! This needs stopping - and fast!!!!
NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!
the main thing is that these people are coming strictly for the benefits - free homes, free money and free healthcare.
Voters have an opportunity to show what they think of policies such as this one in the 2014 Euro elections. I shall be sending a message to our lily livered three main parties by voting UKIP. I don't trust Labour, the Tories or the Fib Dems on Europe, or their sham promises on referenda.
Thats right like we havnt got enough people from other countries here claiming benefits plus the lazy Britons who claim were now going have the gates opened to more, seriously how much more do the goverment expect us all to take? I couldnt get a house when i had my daughter because as the council said people from other countries come first then people on benefits and because my husband works we had to go private! rediculas! And this is why we always get so anoyed with it all the time! were going have more foreignors in this country soon more than British people! You want to come to this country and pay your way then fine but 90% of the time they come over here with there hands out thinking we ow them something when we dont!
sorry, countries closed.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW:
traitors - the MPs who want mass immigration and those who voted for them
British economy gonna collapse unless we stop this from happening. We dont want anyone From EU anymore.
Tony and Gordons real legacy. Remember this before you vote labour again...
Recycled story from two weeks ago DM. The fact these people can arrive here and claim benefits says more about our laws and government than the Eastern Europeans clamouring to come here.
By cutting the EU budget which gives aid to countries like this, we of course make it far more likely that people will leave for the UK, instead of bringing their own countries up to a more affluent level, as the Poles are doing. Short term thinking as usual.
Unlimited immigration + money-printing to support them = millions more for the banks, property developers and their friends. The cost: the lifelong enslavement of children not yet born - but who care about them? Is this something to be proud of politicians . . . or am I missing something?
When they arrive, we, the British working class will be taxed even more to pay for them! our sheep in green fields will disappear because to them its free food wondering the fields!! and crime will increase. and Cameron does nothing!! he's alright, him and his lot are all in it together.
Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 13:00 says: "After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours?" Odd to hear a Marxist quoting from the bible.
Why doesn't the UK just change the benefit systems for immigrants as well as UK citizens currently on benefits. I have just as big a problem with UK citizens who have spent a lifetime on benefits as an immigrant coming in from the EU in an effort to improve their lives. If the benefit system was changed and not so attractive we would not have a problem.
What a horrible horrible article. Happy Christmas DM
GET US OUT OF THIS EU FIASCO, before the British people revolt, and that is not a joke! WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.
ok. all the eu immigrants n illegal immigrants come to UK free for everything as well as all the lazy benefit claimants. mp claiming all the expenses n second home allowance. wealthy people using am offshore company and loopholes paying minimum tax in the country. leave the bills to all the UK taxpayers. this is great Britain. yeah! merry Christmas n happy new year to all immigrants/ illegal immigrants / wealthy people/ mp.
I thought the idea was to get people off benefits.
UKIP
And Dave wants to wait until at least 2014 for a Referendum? Meanwhile, anything that isn't anchored in concrete disappears and the benefits system colapses. What abot the NHS which can't cope already? i have nver really givenit much thought but.....Scotland may just have the right idea or "the only solution" because the UK Government will do nothing. Britain, the Ghetto of Europe!
As usual this is a rabble-rousing racist rant, with accusations against gypsies akin to Nazi propaganda of the 30's. The stark reality is the UK needs immigration as without it, its rapidly aging population has no-one of working age to pay the taxes to fund their pensions on benefits. Immigrants are predominately of working age and mostly want to work. The official DWP statistics show that immigrants are actually half as likely to claim benefits as British residents. I run a business and employ among others Poles (not because they are cheap, but because they have the work ethic and skill needed) and am currently frustrated that I cant employ a talented Romanian because of visa restrictions. What the myopic readers of the Daily Mail fail to understand is that with the added assistance of these immigrants my company pays corporation tax, through its success employs British residents, the employees pay tax and their salaries purchase goods and services that employ other people.
It's a ploy engineered by the government for their cronies to drive living standards and wages down. Divide and rule .
'...Doesn't affect me as I got out years ago, but I don't see the problem. Britain knows what's coming. It has 12-months to prepare and prevent...JUST DO IT! If not, UKIP will, starting with an exit from the EU.'
Another very good reason to leave Britian. Our laws are pathetic and we are just seen now as a joke by those sensible countries who have stopped all immigration and a soft touch by those waiting to come in to put an even bigger strain on the ailing economy. It is an absolute disgrace.
Sorry but wasn't this something that Tony Blair signed us up to? This is not Cameron's doing! I agree that he is the person who MUST act to avert this situation but not sure how he could stop it. Remember this was a Labour act of treason against us and when Miliband stands up and says they made some "mistakes" this is what he's refering to.
Perhaps Europe are hoping that Britain breaks into Unrest and Civil War, so that they can send in the troops and neuter any chance of a Referendum. They are going about it in the right way.
This is discusting people who were born and breed have lost out on benefits had them cut/stopped yet people from other eu countries can walk in get a home rent paid milk vouchers and a big weekly top up of free money. I'm a single parent work part time and pay all my ret council tax..this country is a joke and only getting worse
i think the whole country should go on strike and refuse to pay tax. or do what they do and get a bloody cash in hand job!
This is total madness, your country is going to be swamped, it all ready has enough welfare scroungers as it is, this influx will turn more and more people to ukip thats for sure. I emigrated to Australia a number of years ago and to do so I was not allowed any dole if i was not employed for at least two years, i did receive child support for a few months until i became employed but that was all I got, and this had to be repaid when I found work, a better system is needed over there or they will suck you dry, before its to late put a stop to it.
UK is become the rubbish bin of the world and it will get worse. Basic immigration laws could be inforced like Australia. You must be able to speak the language, have a trade we need and no criminal record. In 30 years the Anglo Saxon will be a minority in this country. What used to be a country of pride has turned into a lawless scrounging society. (not all, I hasten to add). Which country has a history like ours? And nowadays who is interested in our history. I am sorry to say the whole situation has made me decide to leave Britain. I hope one day a Britain will have a government that has the balls to stand up and start thinking about the UK and not themselves. Cameron and co definantly have not but looking at the other side I cannot see any hope either. It is looking bleak for our beautiful country.
The comment "great, more tenants for us landlords" sums up the problem with this country .... The person who made this comment is simply a traitor to this country. We should all now stop this madness
Absolute, total madness. Why not pass a law that you have to be a British citizen before you get benefits - and make it 12 years before an immigrant can apply to become a Brit?
And even kknowing they are coming here just to burden the British tax payer, they still intend to let them, many thanks cameron et all, you must all be so proud of the way you have allowed this country to be dragged down.
Is this a joke?
Heaven help us. If there were ever any reasons for coming out of the EU this hits the spot.
Some one here has to organise a protest group against this it is total maddness in my book... We have enough thieves and robbers from Europe And people getting away with murder from other countries Bye bye Britain we are sinking fast Plus i think the EU are letting this happen with open arms .......
Diversity is our strength.
If tories are the so-called nasty party then what do we call the left for this? apart from treacherous plotting and evil of course..
VIVA LA REVOLUTION..............VIVA LA REPUBLIQUE
So explain to me again, why are these people entitled to claim benefits in OUR country? Yet people from our own country can't. Welcome to Camorons Britain.
Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks.
The Government mush change the law before this tragedy happens. The crime rate will increase, disease will be introduced into the country with a million or more immigrants who don't speak our language or work.
Voting for UKIP is the only way to stop this.
The Mayans got it wrong, not the end of the world, the end of Great Britain. Happy Christmas DM.
I am sure with this news you have made our Christmas. Bring on UKIP ASAP. We are now the ethnic minority in our own country. Disgraceful
Vote UKIP all the time
It does worry me more for my children . Where will these people live ? What about schools .N.H.S how will they all cope ? There will be more people not working than there are working A bet none of these people will be living on a street any M.PS live on I will vote UKIP next time but sadley i think it will be two late .Next will be turkey how can this island cope?
I just love their clothes - they are so all beautiful dressed . Lots of cheap leather jackets to .
Well Mr Cameron for all your posturing, all your promises you made regarding tackling immigration, you're a complete shambles. You broke your promises to the country, have done more 'U' turns than a spinning top. When are you going to get off your rear end and keep your promises? Stop these people from coming into our country NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't take any more.
Just how much more does it need before the government regardless of what the European Courts say bring in laws that will prevent this being able to happen. It is not rocket science to prove that the UK is the softest country in Europe for allowing people in then providing them with more than UK citizens in free welfare etc. It has to be stopped sooner rather than later. We have more than enough legal and even more than enough illegal immigrants than anyone else. Looks like UKIP are the only party that will do anything.
My cleaner is from Bulgaria and she is a very hard worker and never complains. I welcome these immigrants as the British expect higher wages and are not as hard working.
I smell a tax hike!
I think there will be an election next year
Please UKIP...take over ASAP. I know it's primarily Labour's fault for relaxing the immigration laws and opening the back door to massive migration to the UK. But the current government should say STOP right now and shut that door, then worry about the consequences later. What's the EU going to do, sue the British government? They are welcome to try...!!! I have a son 17 and a daughter of 24. What is this country going to be like for their children? I can imagine and that terrifies me..!!
The war is coming but not in the middle east NO! It's going to happen in England when we The English finally decide we've had enough? CAMERON YOU MUST KNOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
It's not just Cameron. All you labour voting loonies have short memories. Blair said they estimated 12,000 Poles would come but 1.1 million arrived. Methinks he was lying and just out to buy votes. Blair signed up to this crap then we all have to suffer. There will be riots soon. It just needs a leader with brains to organise the british masses and the whole fabric of our society will break down
Utter madness! God help us - the politicians won't!
We are known as Treasure Island, X marks the spot as soon as you arrive, time to kick out Long John Campbell and his parrot Cleggy, and we don't want the madman Ben Gunn Miliband either . Lets give fresh faced Jim lad Farage his chance that seems our only option.
Political correctness is a tool used by the government and big business to get people to accept massive inflows of poor people to their countries to keep wages low, it's the scam of all scams. his is how it works, first, change the language, instead of Dole-Bludger, we now have terms like Marginalized Itinerant Asylum Seekers etc etc , you get the picture. Secondly, lay on the multi-kulti guilt trip, and anyone who doesn't tow the line is termed as a racist, even though it's really the culture they don't like, not the race. Big business like s a high level of unemployment, paid for by the tax payers, because it keeps wages low. WAKE UP Britain.
Cue the horrible, racist comments.
The same rules apply to ALL 26 other countries in the EU. You can be sure the vast majority will NOT be heading for France, Germany, or even the Netherlands, Belgium or Luxembourg. So ask yourselves WHY Britain might be the target country. Could it be that the UK is far more open to easy fraud of the benefits system, that people can find employment in extremely low paid work where employment rules have been 'deregulated' or where regulations are poorly enforced? Could it be that the NHS is open to all at the point of need, no money payable, regardless of whether a foreign national has paid a penny towards it? That isn't an EU requirement, that's a law of your own making. Here in France you must pay to join the health system AND have top up insurance. You have to prove you have sufficient to support yourself and you cannot claim benefits unless you were already claiming them in your home country. Britain needs to change its own rules and stop blaming others.
sassygirl; it doesn't matter if you are on benefits, it will all be paid for you.
i know its christmas - the season of good will to all men BUT really how can this be right? we've got our own people living in poverty - just how will these people live over here. unless of ocurse they rely on benefit hand outs?
The entire Bulgarian population is less than 8 million. Romania is 21 million. Do you want to say that ALL of the population, from both countries, is moving to the UK?! A racist and ignorant article made you front page. Shame on you DM!
I challenge a Government spokesman to comment on this story and say what the Government will do IN ADVANCE AND PRO-ACTIVELY to stop this happening. I am certain nothing will be done or said until it is too late and then there will be a ton of excuses coming from the powers that be. Please, please don't trot out the human rights or EU regulations rubbish. This is our country. It is time the BRITISH population took to the streets and voiced their disgust as happens in so many other countries.
great suppose the parts of the uk where they settle will be turned into slums, old habits comes to mind.
Maybe if they were greeted with intolerance and no benefits they would stop coming. It is abbout time WE did somethng.
GREAT....... Carry on bleeding our country dry so theres nothing left for the hard working British tax payer!!!! Disgusting !!!!
It is so wrong that they have an automatic right to benefits and healhcare, when we have pensioners on reduced income due to insufficient credits during their working lives - particularly women. Why can't we stop them flooding our country and handle immigration like Australia and the USA do. - Diana, Newcastle under Lyme, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 00:57 Australia has a terrible immigration problem. An Aussie pal of mine just returned to Melbourne after 10 years in the UK and he says it is just as bad if not worse. They arrive on boat by the hundred, get caught and are locked up pending tribunal during which time they get about AUS 10,000 allowances which they send back to pay for another two to come over. You have to laugh the Aussies are paying for their own illegals and as for the US the border with Mexico may as well not be there. I know many US family's who have illegal cooks, nannys, gardeners and drivers.Their advantage is that like AUS they have space whilst we are full up
Absolutely horrifying.......I'm no racist, but the pressure on the system will break us as a nation....We're Doomed !
I feel sorry for these people but EU has to try to solve their problems withing their borders not allowing them to move to another and destroy it.And considering we might join EU in a year I am filled with horror than they might start coming this way at some point.
lets hope cameron, takes the opportunity to control the influx, instead of just opening his arms and welcoming millions, just like labour did, labour ruined us, mr cameron dont do the same.
S a v e B r i t a i n : V O T E U. K. I. P.
Its NO good the British people complaining if they are'nt prepared to vote to get OUT of the Corrupt EU so instead of sitting indoors complaining at ANY elections get out there and VOTE UKIP and rid ourselves of the Corrupt EU.LETS RECLAIM BRITAIN.
No worries, their first stop will be Germany.
And the thing is, these foreigners will come here and get every penny & pound they are 'entitled' to, then in a few years they will go back home leaving all their debts behind for you and me to pay. And they will have saved a fair bit and will live like millionaires in their native land!! I work with these people already and they admit they are only here for the money, and they have no intention of putting anything back into the system, and I hate each and everyone of them! This isnt Great Britain anymore, its United Europe !!! The Channel Tunnel was one of the worst things ever created!!
welcome all I say, but if you come here with no Job, no houseing, no money, dont, this Gov needs to stop benefits for all Eastern Europeans untill they have been here for about 2 to 3 years. we cant aford it, this Gov keeps teeling us this with our own . you cant pay for one, ahd take away from others who hole life as been lived here in the UK. I dont call it England any longer. bet this one dont go up as well, very picky the DOM paper.
God helps us all. Those last three pictures are what England will be like if we let in these people. Our politicians really need to wake up to this and put a stop to this. It's not discrimination about colour or race... these people have no morals. The liberal left will probably tell me it's illegal to discriminate against thieves.. God help us all.
Vote Ukip out of a dozen friends 11 will vote this way as it has to stop. We are sick of this open door policy, they should not be allowed to claim anything, they should have jobs, money and housing paid by themselves and most of all speak English.
This is frightening.
IT HAS TO STOP...........Britain is a small country and cant take more people coming here. What ever problems there are in European countries the countries have to sort them out. Theres people suffering and struggling now in the UK........they need help. If people come here from Europe they get no benefits and no health care. They must pay for it. Its time UK said..........you want to come here.........you must have a job, cant claim benefits and have to pay for health care. Tough but its reality.
And what the devil are we going to do about it, sit on our backsides and moan as always? It's time we took to the streets in protest ( peaceful of course). Maybe it will get the message over to Cameron that we are sick and tired of our hospitality being abused by all and sundry who only want to take, take, take from us. At least it should get the message to the Romanians and Bulgarians that we do not want them in our country, taking our jobs and claiming benefits. I for one am sick and tired of how we are used and abused by foreigners and it's time something was done. I will definitely vote UKIP come the next election and I wish to God that there was one next month !!!
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY!
Send them to Brussels... they are the ones who are keeping our doors open. We are full up, so send them to the self elected creatures over there!
Good News Hoo Ra cant wait at last a dream come true, I can finally leave when the 29 Million come over and the only ones left in the UK will be the DM & Sun readers, and I can move to there country and live a wonderful tax free existance, in either Bulgeria or Romania.
Daily Mail being true to form spreading Christmas Eve anxiety. No surprise that reports of attacks on Eastern Europeans are increasing. Irresponsible journalism.
Dear DM, Please inform yourself before publishing such type of article!!. First of all you must know that currently Romania has a population of 19 millions and Bulgaria 7 millions and thus you can write about a total of 26 millions people wanting to immigrate in your "beloved " Great Britain. In my opinion you can really use either journalism lessons or math lessons. However, the most important thing I want to emphasize as a proud Romanian citizen is that Romania is NOT equal to the gipsy minority that unfortunately was born in this country. Nowadays, the gipsy minority is of ONLY 619 000 thousands - 3.2% from the total Romanian population. The rest of us work really hard in order to sustain ourselves and our families and we are not dreaming of receiving free allowances from you. At last but not at least, please do not show only such type of miserable pictures, both Romania and Bulgaria are beautiful countries.
Well what are WE going to do about it? NOTHING as laways people sound off but do nothing.
There will be plenty of room for them, due to the mass exodus of taxpayers who will be leaving this country
This has got to be a sick joke, if not, you rich people better watch out, because YOU will be the ones paying the Benefits bill.
Are these folk Mary and Joseph. And are we the Innkeepers I wonder?
When will people get off their backsides an organise a protest against the destruction of Britain by the EU and our impotent government?
Fantastic news..... Just what Britain needs!!!!'
It makes you wonder what all the brave British soldiers and civilians from WWI and WWII gave their lives for.
Time to fill in the Channel Tunnel!
Seriously EVERYONE needs to VOTE UKIP next or this country is in even more trouble than it is now!********************************************************************************************************************
This is a joke, right?
If they have no jobs to come too, they can't come in. It's as simple as that!
My friend's children have the best idea - they have moved to New Zealand; the writing is on the wall for GB. The best I can do is to vote for UKIP next time.
For God's sake, Cameron. Grow some and stop this pan-European farce. Romania is already deserted of street accordianists and beggars - they're all over here sellling The Big Issue. I thought that magazine was set up to assist hard-pressed British people. If the Bulgarians are allowed in too there'll be blood in the streets when they fight the Romanian beggars for the prime street corner pitches.
Who was the clown who said, when enlargement of the EU came about....`there will only be about 12,000 a year coming here`....step forward Nu-Liebour, Home Secretary David Blunket..... Blairs government flooded this country with over 3 million people, and signed up to accept more..... The only way out is to leave the EU....and the Labour Party certainly do want that.
THAT'S it we are in a reality show. Oh thank GOD.
I resent my hard earned tax going to these people. how about you ask me where my money should go. this is just disgusting. Im livid
Errr, why, exactly, are they 'entitled' to benefits here ? STOP GIVING BENEFITS TO NON BRITISH NATIONALS !!!! for at least the first five years, then they wouldn't bother coming in the first place ....
Yet when we wanted to emigrate to New Zealand - with our own money - and private medical care - able to support ourselves totally - no criminal record - and in good health - we couldn't get through the red tape. Let alone go somewhere else and claim benefits. Mad mad mad country - crazy laws we have. Angry Granneeeeeeeee now.
we are an ISLAND we need to shut our borders and deal with the problems we have not every one else s
There's only eight million people in Bulgaria
its time to leave the country!!!
The U.K. keeps diluting anything good they ever had.
hes better off there ,,standing room onlyn in britian ur comments:
Ex Pats in Australia & Canada have their Government Pensions frozen. Yet we all paid our National Insurance since the day we left school. What have these immigrants contributed??????????
Ok, they come here to live, but don't give out our money or homes to any of them. They should live in our country off their own backs. NO medical, NO homes and NO benifits for the first 5 years. i have lived abroard and thats how all ex-pats were treated.
why are we paying benefits to none British citizens? a foreign citizen should only get benefits from they home country. if you want to cut the tax bill cut out paying for none british unemployed. and if they don't have a job send them back home. if they eu don't like it we should leave. some of these countrys are paying they unemployed to come here it has too STOP.
Who can blame them. If I lived in an awful counttry like that I'd want to settle somewhere better. To those saying they hate Britain etc. - go and live elsewhere then, no one's stopping you. We forget how lucky we are to have been born here, spare a thought for those who aren't so lucky.
When did we sign up for this? Another dodgy labour deal?
HOW MANY MORE CLUES DO THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN NEED, BEFORE THEY VOTE UKIP? IT COULDN'T BE ANY MORE BLEEDIN' OBVIOUS!!
When did we sign up for this? Another dodgy labour deal?
Stop posting and start voting. Apathy has given the politicians the power to run roughshod over us.
Bl**dy Blair he should be tried for treason.
ALL TAX PAYERS NEED TO GO ON STRIKE UNTIL ALL THE DOORS ARE CLOSED AND THE COUNTRY HAS HAD A GOOD FLUSH OUT.WHY SHOULD WE WORK ALL WEEK TO PAY OUR TAXES TO THESE PEOPLE?
This is absolutely the last straw. The people in this country who have worked all their lives and paid in are being told no when they need help. We are having to let in the scum of Europe and pay for the privilege. Cameron get a grip. Do you not see what is happening here or is keeping the bureaucrats happy more important to you than the people who voted you in. We are sick to death of being made to feel we are the visitors in our own country. Get us out of Europe now. Stand up and be the leader this country so desperately needs.If you can't then step down and make way for someone who is willing to fight for us. This is about our childrens futures. DO SOMETHING NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And we the people have had no say whatsoever in this huge decision which will irreversibly change our country forever and put huge pressure on a whole range of resources. Blair approved it. Cameron will facilitate it. We'll be stuck with it.
We need to introduce immigration controls like they have in Australia. you can only get in to Australia if you have the skills they require. We should have the same qualifying criteria here, regardless of where you are coming from including anywhere in Europe. Surely we can be part of Europe (not sure this does us any favours anyway) without opening our borders to every criminal who wants to come here.
If one million Romanian and Bulgarian families move to Britain, this will cost us £30bn more in schooling, healthcare, housing and benefits. Mr Cameron, we can't afford this
You let it happen no good moaning as they steal everything including your houses.
Ah. Such a sad story about these hypocritical Christians who sit in church listening to the 10 commandments and then go out and rob the very next person they see. If you allow this to happen Camoran you deserve to be put in the tower to rot for your despicable treatment of Britain and the British people. Give us a referendum NOW and get us out of this EU madness.
These countries won't be so bad after a few years of remittances, they might even be worth a visit, and if you don't feel the need to pay for anything, no one there will think bad of you.
UKIP. UKIP. UKIP
We can't control any flooding in the UK whether it be people or water! It's time someone took control and put the Great back in our country.
What's the point in me being a royal marine commando ? doing 32 weeks painful training just for this to be allowed. I take risks every single day and for what..who am I fighting for (my country) what's my country again ..is it Romania or Britain? I'm 19 years old and I don't deserve this at all. We need to stop these freeloaders in this country,
I'm sorry but we are full.
I noted he didn't make any comment of coming here to work, his people just want to claim Benefits.
This sort of economic migration will eventually stop when we are at the same living standards as countries like Romania.
Stop whining get off your fat lazy backsides and protest against this petition your local MP and councillors but stop whining and get off your fat backsides and get active
Dont get to comfortable Immigrants, There WILL BE a new Government before long so do not bother un-packing.....
Actually it was LABOUR who messed this country up Blair followed by that chump Brown, who dragged our country into the gutter ... Oh yes and also sold half our gold reserve (and he wasn't even elected). Want to blame people start with them !!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!i already feel like a foreigner in my own country :(
Mr Cameron, if you do not stop this (no matter what Europe says) you do not have a hope of winning the next election, can you not see that the majority of the population in this Country do NOT want this type of indiscriminate immigration, and believe me, having recentley started working with the elderley I can assure you they are horrified by this, you will not be getting their vote. We do not have enought money in this Country to pay for these people, we are not looking after our own let alone them. Stop this or UKIP will be taking over, like it or not!!!
we have beggars on our streets police wont have the time to investegate every crime we just cant wait
Come on UKIP! We need you're services! Get us out of the EU ASAP!
Everyone should move to Bulgaria. Last one to leave please turn out the lights!
I would now rather vote bnp than to let this keep happening.
Tonight instead of watching the fiction called East Enders or corrie street, sit down and write a letter to your MP. Enclose a copy of this article and say ENOUGH YOU BUNCH OF BUFFOONS. It will take just 10 minutes of your time. Post it Thursday. It will make u feel better and if WE ALL DO IT, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN
Hope they have Mr Blairs address and the rest of the Labour Governments. They wanted them in let them have them.
And people still vote for the Lib/Lab/Con trio who want us to remain in the EU . I dont blame EU citizens for wanting a better life for immigrating here but by doing so they access our welfare benefits and reduce employment opportunities. We need immigration but it has to be controlled and only those who offer benefits to our economy rather than take from it should be allowed , Only one Party , UKIP, offers a rational immigration policy
England isn't that big, where are all of them going to live? There isn't enough jobs and housing for the people that are already there. England is going broke and what is this going to your health care system. I think it's time for the good people of England to go out into the streets and protest and tell your government, ENOUGH IS A ENOUGH ! It's time for the people of England to take back your country and make it the great country that it alway was. I wish you luck, here from the USA.
This is What happens when You have (Voted4) a Weak-Government. (Mr Cameron Nick Clegg Ed Milliband & Co). The Muppets. Thats why the UK needs a Real-Man/Leader to be Free & Independent As Soon As Possible from Germanys/EU.
God now I don't just feel scared, I feel sick as well. Someone (I'm guessing only UKIP can) please help us stop this outrageous nonsense now.
Election in 2013 maybe before this criminal invasion begins???? May sound desparate but the situation is!! Just that our sleep walking PC politions have not realised it yet. Thanks Mr Blair and Brown, Blunket etc for signing us in this hell.
'All we want is a normal life like the British people. I would like to go because I support Manchester United. There we would get our housing paid and child benefits' Come on UK you need do something about this before its too late!
I don't ever remember voting for mass unlimited immigration? Oh that's right we couldn't vote as we weren't allowed by unelected dictators.
Nice christmas story Daily Mail. Those people are trying to escape misery and all you can think off is your benefit system. And who will pick your apples, harvest your asparagus, etc if it weren't for the immigrants who work hard. Much harder in fact than you British overweight Tracy's in your council flat with your 4 kids..... Know what I mean?
British people are too lathargic these days - too much TV. Once upon a time "United we Stand", could have worked, but not today...
Simple answer to the problem Vote UKIP then we can start to lock the Gate 50 years of Labour and Conservative rule and worse off than ever time to change before its to late.
Let them in providing they speak perfect English have a job to go to enough money as there will be no benefits until they pay in for 5 years.
I don't particularly want to vote ukip but this situations a ticking time bomb the government needs to sort. if this country hits the skids it'll be us British jumping ship to get out. britians days are numbered.
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!!!
My son can't get any benefits for three years because he is actually British and has a British passport but has lived in Cyprus and Australia most of his life. If the government can cut off their own people they should cut off these ones too. Obviously there is a big problem on the horizon and no one brave enough to fix it.
Probably going to get loads of reds, hey ho, feel the need to express................Enough now! I personally have no problem with anyone from anywhere coming here as long as they are working and paying into the system the same as everyone else....We have enough people from the UK who don't want to work and seem to be better off than us lot that work two jobs, never mind one....If they cannot find a job, they shouldn't be allowed benefits until they have paid in......I am from the UK and probably couldn't get benefits or a house if I lost my job (Rant over)
Can we have a say in this , because we don't want millions more coming here , don't have a legitimate job to go to , then don't let them in .
Frightening.
I really do not understand this issue why dont they go to germany or france, why only britain?
Welcome to Britain. The Human Dustbin of the world.
cant blame those in poverty wanting a better life, can blame our government for keeping our borders open despite the fact all of our natives are undergoing tough financial sacrifice due to the economy. its simply unfair on the tax payer.
Last one out behind me turn off the lights
Guys,I'm romanian ,and i'm telling you this: how can be possibile 29 milion to come here when romanian population is 18 milion right noe and bulgaria has 9 milion right now? So we close down 2 country's completlly and still need another 2 milion to complete 29? Why nobody thinks?
Doesn't it say it all about the success of the EU that people have to crawl about in rubbish tips to find food? As for this country? It' s finished. The rich pampered politicians won't have to tolerate the negative effects of the next influx because those of us who will, are keeping them in luxury. An uprising can't be far away here in the UK
If they've never contributed to the system, why do they get benefits? It's insane.
omg just when you thought it coudln't get any worse
Guys,I'm romanian ,and i'm telling you this: how can be possibile 29 milion to come here when romanian population is 18 milion right noe and bulgaria has 9 milion right now? So we close down 2 country's completlly and still need another 2 milion to complete 29? Why nobody thinks?
this community is creating problems in east Slovakia for many many years and when government trying to solve the problems with them, then they are accused of human rights and racial discrimination!!! I hope UK government will do something about it.
If you don't like it vote UKIP
Thats right DM....stir it up.
When will our labotomised politicians do a "days work" and earn THEIR pay? All they need to do is pass a law to deny benefits of ANY KIND to am immigrant for 5 years. Also to prove that the immigrant has been in full employment for a full 5 continuous years. It isn`t "rocket sience". We need to get out on the streets over this. I`m sick of our "overpaid politicos " .Can you imagine any other EU country suppinley accept this abuse of their hospitality ? We didn`t invite these people here and we don`t want them, and we certainly don`t NEED them.
A crime and disease tsunami, celebrate this Miliband!
Ukip ukip ukip all the way
Great, "welcome to the dustbin of the world".
When do we as a proud Brits say enough is enough? No wonder we are perceived to be a nation of whingers with no back bone. The only good thing is UKIP will gain more and more supporters. People have had enough. I really do worry if the government sit back and do nothing about this.
Hopefully they will all enjoy life in the capital
WHAT NO WAYS, we are over crowded now and no jobs for british people and we the tax payers are paying enough to support our own people we will not stand for any more coming here and sponging off our system, we dont have the resources now if this lot come too we will go under, do we want to end up looking like the countries they are coming from, broken down and poor, I for one say stand against this and don't let any more in
All you people who are blaming Cameron are kidding yourselves. This mess was started by Blair & his cronies boosting the welfare state. If Cameron was booted out who do you think will take his place? Yes, Milliband & his lot who have exactly the same spend, spend, spend p[policies as Blair & Brown. UKIP is still only our third party! The only hope is for everyone to get off their backsides &, as I have just done, write to their MP demanding that something is done. If enough people did it (some hope, they'd rather moan on here!) we might be on with a chance.
THIS will finally kill off the England I was born into
How can we afford to keep these people when we can't feed some of our own we will end up with thousands of food banks.Benefit state, we must be the laughing stock.
Now is the time to use our army back from duties elsewhere to protect our borders !! David Cameron needs to bring in measures to stop this invasion now !!
This must be stopped before it starts.
Given the "standards" of living you can't blame them. They are not enemies of the state, they are desperate people. However, the UK does not have to take them in, in fact, we can't, it's just not feasible to take in millions of uneducated, unskilled people. How can you have a viable country thrive economically with millions of poor immigrants? We have enough of our own people who are uneducated and unskilled... I am bleeding leftie but this can't go on, especially in the current climate. Time to get tough unfortunately.
poetic justice for rampant colonizers. i'm sure the indians didnt want you in their country and treating them like dirt for over 300 years! what goes around comes around.
How about a new law stating that you don't get benefits of any kind until you have worked and paid income tax for at least a year??
How big do they actually think the uk is?
Why is it that we happily accept anyone although they can offer nothing to this country except the ability to sponge from us. We can barely afford the population we have now let alone millions more! When will we learn that people which one here should have a trade and be able to speak the language and give something back, we can no longer carry on being mr nice guy, it will be the death of us!
close it all down! there is no housing, no jobs, not much of anything here for us anymore, there are people suffering here and they want to let more into a country where our leaders has made some of the problems worse, think its time this mess is sorted out pronto!
My daughter has been ill all her life, but now because of the farce that is ESA her benefits will end in one year, although she will never be able to work. Now I know who will be getting her benefits. Shame on you Mr Cameron.
I genuinely fear for the future of our tiny little island.
America has closed loop holes to stop people claiming. Close the loop holes and stop everyone without a british passport or birth certificate from claiming off us. With all these immigrants coming in taking our jobs and claiming our benefits, there is nothing left for the British. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
Stop benefits until five years contributions have been made, stop giving houses.I have left Britain,as have many others, it is now not the place to live.
week goverment shut the door now,the longer its left the more the exstreme baklash,
The EU has become a monster, the biggest organized social engineering programme in history, shoved down our throats without our consent but with full approval of the PM and his sidekick Clegg, masterminded by Blair in 2004, traitors the whole sorry lot of them Am I right in assuming that the UK can opt out of this open borders for the whole of the EU. If so, bet we wont. Cameron is becoming a snake like Blair was, he is making all the right noises about changes, but will sit back and see the UK destroyed by a Tsunami of people we cant cope with. If this lunancy doesn't stop, we wont recognise this country, complain, and you will be branded a bigot.
the UK is full enough, we cannot have more people, there aren't even enough jobs for people here now yet alone with the flood of immigrants here now and in future.
How is Britain going to cope if the thousands do all arrive here. We do not have enough houses for our own people. How can they just get housing benefit, child benefit etc. when we have such large deficits. They will arrive with nothing so they will be provided with accommodation, furniture, clothing and will bleed this country dry. Enough is enough - about time we said our country cannot cope with anymore and close our borders for good.
General Election NOW......These TRAITORS in Government are intent on destroying OUR country and LIARbour will do exactly the same as the CONservatives. WE the people want OUR BORDERS CLOSED.....The ONLY party that will do this is UKIP....
and this is why I'll never return to the country I used to love....
Your comments:I think this is absolutely disgusting - while I feel for these poor people - if the UK let everyone else in (as they have already let I don't know how many millions in in the last don't know how many years) the country will become 3rd World, just like the ones these people leave. When that happens and money is not given to them Freely do you think they will stay in the UK to help salvage the place......not on your bottom dollar...they'll Be straight back to where they came from because by then their Government will be cashing it in, mainly money from The UK which was sent back .....the only losers in this is the UK.....sort yourself out, glad I left years ago!,,
Eastern Europeans are great workers, highly qualified and actually keen to work. I hire Poles, Ukrainians and Russians.
FGsS if it is pssible to open the borders surely they can be closed. Good job for the troops returning from ove rlseas guarding the home front and it may come to that because the infrastructure will not cope with that lot. All the countless lives sacrificed over the years and now this or there will be BIG trouble.
Next election? Bring it on!
Remember Mr Cameron is in charge now and will no doubt send out 'clear messages' and 'do the right thing', so just keep repeating the government mantra "We need more skilled immigrants" then hit the On button so that big flat screen hanging from the wall springs into life and everything will be fine.
This makes me feel panicy!! There must be something we can do to stop this. We cannot afford to look after our own people. We surely cannot let this happen!
I can hardly wait for another wave of benifit scroungers to swamp our country and my tax going towards it. Mr Cameron don't you think when you are cutting benifit for people here you should shut the bl---y door.
wait till the Eastern Eurpeans start lining up to be this countries politicians in the future, you think it will be bad soon wait till we have a Bulgarian Prime Minister.......it could happen!
A few days ago I read in the DM that Obama wants the UK to stay in the EU. So there is no chance o fgetting out of the EU unless another party is voted in, that will opt out of the EU. This is the only way..
It is totally ridiculous - No more migrants from Europe - Referendum NOW - Out of the EU NOW - We can't afford any more Eastern European scroungers - Remember who signed us up to the EU Political Union? THATCHER!! OUT WITH THE TORIES NOW!!!!!!
Good Luck with that!
I grew up in England and now live in New Zealand, my heart tries to get me to move back now and again but my brain screams NO! Open borders has ruined our nation.
Be afraid, be very afraid. The paperwork has already been agreed and signed for this to happen by the UK Government. Cameron must stop this and soon.
I feel sick, sick that i didn't see this coming a long time ago and save to escape this pitiful cesspit of a country!
Thanks Labour you bunch of bloody morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and your coalition idiots are no better
Britains a mess. End of.
How were these low life,poverty stricken countries able to join the EU. What was the criteria? If we whve to pay millions a day to stay in this corrupt club,where is Bulgaria going to find the fees? We don't have the housing or jobs to accomadate these people,and we can't afford to import more crime. We must all vote UKIP at the next election,regardless of the normal leanings we have to other parties. This is our last chance to salvage what is left of our country.
But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too.== I've got news for you that day has already arrived and what a cesspit our countries turning into.
To think I used to vote conservative, now it has to be UKIP all the way for me to get us out of this mess!
I am coming too, will i be the last straw that breaks, the camel's hump etc...
I cant even read past the headline on this story it makes me so angry,my god we are at breaking point as it is,we need someone in power to stand up to Cameron and say absolutely do not let these people in ,Benefits and services are being cut to the bone for our own,yet thousands are arriving that have not put a penny into our system and will be claiming,UKIP for me at the next election without a doubt.
No I am NOT Paying for their benefits. How dare this Government expect us to do so. This is asking f or trouble.
Erm i think you woll find labour are to blame for openi g our flood gates to the imigrants not the torys
This madness must stop. Unless they have a job to go to they must not be allowed in to the UK. I am a civil servant and I see a number of people each week who have come here to look for work yet can't speak a word of English.
I left the UK 8 years ago, it had gone to the dogs back then, but I see the worst has yet to come. No MP, no PM with the exception of UKIP has large enough testacies to do what should be done, as a consequence the UK sinks further into the abyss. As for the young; I could weep. Too many people cheer themselves up with owning over valued property, but it matter not a jot how many deck chairs have your towel on them, not on the Titanic anyway!
We'll deal with this like we always do in the UK, unfortunately, and that's to bend over and take it up the jacksy! I think we deserve all we get, not one person in this country will protest, we'll just have a bloody good moan about it, me included, I'm ashamed to say.
ukip all the way for me next time round .A certain mr farage will put an end to this madness . I Hope those two limp wrists clegg and camoron are reading this
The circle of traitors and Brussels fifth columnists that litter Westminster are to blame for the saturation of the British Isles, I no longer believe their blather about immigration controls or false promise of a referendum on EU membership, UKIP are the only hope for this beleaguered country now.
Blood. Boiling.
Are these pictures of typical Romanians/Bulgarians DM? Also what about the 7 million British Expats living in other countries. BTW i am a tax paying British citizen,
Nice of you to show a couple of pictures of the sink estates they'll be moving into....so much better than what they're used to...
I believe the UK is still one the best country¿s in the world, its people in the main work hard and play fair. They welcome anyone who wants to better their lives by using the same principles. There is always going to be whingers and scroungers, but our people can and do ride above this dross to make our country one of the best. God bless the UK and our people.
Blair Brown Cameron and Clegg i loathe and despise what you have done to our once great country.Brave men fought and died in protecting our freedoms and our borders.My uncles supreme sacrifice has all been for nothing. For God`s sake stop voting for Liebore,Libdemons and Conartists.They have allowed the corrupt E.U.to take control of our borders.No other country in World has been subjected to mass and uncontrolled immigration like we have been.Allready we are grossly overcrowded,and everything is collapsing all around us,the whole infarstrure is almost at bursting point.We hardly make anything anymore,once production goes the economy soon goes with it.Yet no serious attempt has been made in halting immigration.If this sheer lunacy is allowed to continue,there will no longer be a future for our grandchildren, here in the country of their birth.
I will be very proud the day we leave Europe
Let's face it, the UK is finished - destroyed by the politicians. If you can get out, get to somewhere like Australia or New Zealand, where those in charge care about the future of their nation.
HAHAHA laughable apathetic Brits pleased i got out you deserve all the Romanians you get. You lot voted them in !!!!
Communism has finally won. What makes the Polish any better? Throw them all out starting with the Blair witch, Gordon Frown and David Camoron.
I can't believe this. This is economic warfare on a grand scale. What is wrong with a government which allows even the remotest possibility, never mind that it is fact.
Not such a United Kingdom, not so Great Britain.
Britain needs another political party of substance. Tony Blair and his sidekick Gordon Brown bowed down to Brussels and Cameron is in the same pot of fools. Everyone thinks we wont vote for the Tories again, and votes for labour, Its like a spiral of disasters one after another
Say, "NO." You need to protest this. Find who's idea this was and throw them out of office! You don't have to take this!
Whilst I'm sorry for their living conditions and standard of living I feel it's now long overdue that we put a stop to so many people moving to the UK unless they have something to offer. Other countries don't allow this so why the heck should we!
And I know just the place where they can set up their caravans and get out their begging bowls, Blair Manor in the Chilterns.
Don't bother yourselves
think we need to think about our selves for a change before we think about others not our problem we have enough migrants here
As a teacher in a primary school I'm saddened by the amount of foreign children that attend our school and sit blank-faced as they speak no English at all. The school resources have been stretched to breaking point, standards are slipping as we struggle to cope with the influx of children from the EU. In one class alone, 16 different languages are spoken. I am NOT racist but we can take this no longer. We are full, plain and simple, shut the borders now please, before its too late for our once great nation.
29 million more people to live on government handouts! What idiot made this decision. I feel sorry for these people but they need to get their own government to help them. Where is the money coming from to give to these people? How much will it cost? This will bankrupt the UK. Look at what government handouts has done to the USA.! The people are idiots if they let this happen.
No real alternative but to vote UKIP and let a referendum decide our fate in Europe. If we get out soon, we wont have to take all these free loaders. Cameron (call me Dave), Clegg and Milliband will never yield on leaving europe. So the only choice will be UKIP.
UK is such a lovelly place with so many history and a very special culture and people, please dont let distroy, there are already too many imigrants and I couldnt find English while visiting London.
How to ruin a country when all invasions have failed, step one elect politic masters who sell your country down the line, step three elect political masters who love other country's other than their own country, step three, join the European Union that allows other country's people to come into your country and take as many jobs and benifits from its own taxpaying people. step four, job done its ruined.
Now this is the result of those of you who voted Lib/Lab/Con you must be so glad you did. ---so enjoy
This is madness. Get UK out of Europe ASAP
The UK needs to leave the EU before it becomes a 3rd world country caused by the mass influx of immigrants, I saw the way the UK was going some 7 years ago and decided to leave for a better life in Thailand I know it was the right choice to make and have no regrets. I urge others who are considering leaving to do the same before it is to late. I have been a Conservative all my life but unless they change I believe the good people of British nationality will vote for UKIP in the next election !!!!!!!!
Vote BNP - they will sort it .
The best advertisement for getting the hell out of Europe
29 Million? Is this a sick joke? No probably not, this country is full up - we should just stick a big sign up saying, Full Up and Fed Up With Bl@@dy immigrants sponging off us. Get your finger out of your backside CAMORON and do something. Show some backbone, you spineless wimp - you are more concerned with gay marriages. You have got to do something NOW - I hate this country with a passion now.
Only the true. English, Welsh or Scottish need complain, everyone else irrespective of being born here is of immigrant stock!
I´m sure the brits who migrated to America (and I mean the entire continent) were better welcomed. Selfish and nasty commets here.
I think the UK joining the EU will eventually lead the UK into semi-ruin. Get out before it's too late! Truth is, if all that is left of Anglo-Saxon (and Celtic) England is old churches and a few big tourist sites in London, your tourism will drop off, too, but maybe you would rather have more immigrants and less tourists? It's up to you.
What goes around comes around. Karma. Go on Rule Britannia. Imperialism results in...your reality today. Jaguar, LandRover owned by Indians, Cadbury owned by Americans, Harrods owned by Arabs. However you still have full control of your welfare state. Too bad your politicians need to pander to your new comers to survive.
Well I don't want them here but I am British so have no say in my own country any more.
I live in Bulgaria and the thing is if these Romas decided to make something of themselves they could, there is so much opportunity for new ventures in this country but no one has taught them to think for themselves. That is the simple truth, the Bulgarians are hard workers and if they thought about it they could really earn some good money, we live in a country who has only recently founded supermarkets, we have no theme parks, we have hardly any water parks, youth clubs, you name it, we are so far behind, there is room for improvement but it's a case of fighting it and not running away to the UK where they expect it to be milk and honey.
Well, it's just a matter of time until the United States also becomes a third-world hellhole. We're also well on our way.
this is what we are known for throughout the world, every half brained scrounger knows that he can sit on his backside and get paid for it.whatever happened to us only letting in people who could benefit out society, we have two and a half million unemployed here allready. that does not include all the people claiming sickness benefit,being in the EU means we are going to get all the other countries unemployable layabouts, and we can do nothing about it. did we want to go in to the EU.we didnt get the choice, we were told we were going into it without debate.look about you and see were it has got us.UKIP here I come.
How on earth does a country with so much poverty be accepted into the EU.
'.won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot , New York, 24/12/2012 01:14' And me.
When all the taxpayers have left, who will pay the benefits then?
For goodness sake get us OUT of Europe and its silly laws. Can't the government see that we've all had ENOUGH!!! This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. I have voted Tory for 56 years but not any more - I'm changing over to UKIP. They appear to want to keep Britain for the dross we already have here at present. We can't take any more scroungers just coming here for our benefits.
Cameron get us out of the EU and block our borders BEFORE this happens or face theconsequence of Massive claims on benefits, housing and NHS not to mention the justice bill as Romanian and Bulgarian gangs who are already here (Illegally) have pushed up crime rate. Soft touch Britain CANNOT cope NOW!! and the people who will suffer most is the British TAXPAYER? Being in the EU is bleeding Britain to death!!
WE MUST STAND UP FOR OUR COUNTRY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE OR WE WILL SEE THE REAL DAMAGE DONE BY BLARE AND BROWN,PLEASE WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF EU NOW..........OR FACE BANKRUPTCY.
Yet again, the resources of the UK are to be wasted on freeloaders from abroad who have not and will not contribute to the Public Purse. I am fed up from seeing the collossal scale on which Taxpayers money is being squandered. I am a professional and have been offered a job in Australia where I will at least have the satisfaction in knowing that the tax that I pay will not be wasted . Labour have destroyed the UK and unfortunately the LIb Cons have fared no better For all of you who choose to put up with this disgraceful situation , all I can say is beware your Pensions and NHS - they will SURELY be whittled away
Government action NOW!
The problem is we are not allowed to speak up we get branded as racist if we do !?!?
It's what known by the the progressive liberalism movement in our present, and previous governments as part of an 'interesting and diverse culture', and should be welcomed. It would appear the 'Plebs' see it differently.
We honour the war dead every year. It seems like wearing a poppy is a symbol of pride . Unfortunately the troops that gave their lives up would not have done so had they have known that their country was to be sold to Brussels . We need to come together people on the stuff that really matters. This matters. We will not be divided and conquered
I cannot put into words how depressed this article made me feel. I've told my kids to emigrate, it's too late for me and hubby now, so that they have a better quality of life elsewhere. The UK is finished if they let this wave of immigrants in :0(
Our politicians are playing with fire while standing next to a keg of gunpowder which is balanced on a nuclear weapon. And the fools cannot see it.
The hope these people have is inspirational. Aim higher than benefit scrounging. Aim for prosperity and liberty. Come to America as a new wave of immigrants like previous waves which have made our country a melting pot of freedom lovers. We have room. Idaho is booming with an oil rush, job opportunities and much open land. Our Statue of Liberty in New York, when immigrants came by sea: " Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, the tempest-tost to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Glad I moved to New Zealand in 2003!
If we have to spend our hard on money on them, why don't we just pay them to stay away?
Why do you keep voting for the same lib/lab/con traitors? You're voting for this!
Can't believe it! How did these countries get in the EU in the first place? Just so they could get free benefits? Why do we have to have all the dregs of Eastern Europe to get free houses and benefits as well as continuing with their criminal activities? We can't afford to feed and house our own poor and needy, let alone bring in loads from other countries. Its bad enough we have to pay all their expenses, but we have to put up with them when they're here-either begging in the streets or robbing us!
When r u true Brits going to stand up for yourselves !!!
When are we going to put a stop to this mass immigration. This government needs to grow a back bone. Vote UKIP It's our only hope !!!
all you labour voters can be proud of yourselves. job done
Bobby George the boxer? I thought he played darts?
This is another of the "Benefits", of our Euroland connection? I've got a feeling that all of them will be self-employed. They never seem to see the connection between their life style and the economic results. I wish half my rent was paid for by the council.
So Glad I emigrated in 2002. Sorry for all the British left behind.
The only way to control the stem of lawless immigrant criminals is to, get out of the Europe market.. It seems though that things have find so far that, there's probably nothing really the government can do, except stand back & hope it doesn't get too bad !! He, Mr Whammy(triple dip)((Call me 'Dave'))signed the European treaty as an adviser to John Major.
Has if we don't have enough dregs on the gravy train.
People ask why the government does nothing. The government has in fact done a lot. It change the law so people born and bred in London can be moved out to the provinces, which will free up much needed accommodation, and if that's not enough the bedroom tax will make it necessary for the British to take in lodgers, or move. What more could we do to help?
This is absolutely ridiculous! We are crowded ENOUGH without more coming over! What is this bod doing to our country???
I live in Bulgaria and believe me the scum are the expats who live here, as their only value in life is cheap beer and women who can't recognise their faults. So stop slagging off Bulgarian immigrants (emigrants) and remember the trailor trash (Dave. You know who you are) you're exporting.
Our beautiful England will look that soon to come. This government is bad for allowing this.
Should have listened to the Russians and help them keep up the 'iron curtain,'then we wouldn't be in this predicament.
Thanks Tony Blair, but if it's obeying the law, change the law, not human nature.
A reflection of our tolerance. why dont we build cruise liners and sail the seas picking up these useless people, and bring them here, for a start we should bring the austrailian aboriginese here after all we took their country of them. We are only borrowing £10 billion a month. Mr and mrs Cable think they are good for Britain. and lets not forget, Cable MR got elected
on the 100th anniversary of the great war too.
Simple vote for UKIP and then kcik them all out!!
They shouldn't be in the EU if they cant treat gypsies with equality.
TO THE BRAIN DEAD MASSES PLEASE PLEASE DONT VOTE LABOUR AND VOTE UKIP
I left Great Britain back in 1975 when it was still "Great Britain" ... I am so glad I did! I go back every year to visit family and friends, but every year what I see looks less and less like the country that I left. For God's sake, when are the government finally going to say enough is enough. The social support system in the UK is an amazing thing ... but totally abused by everybody who can manage to get across the channel and say "I'm here, give me a house and some money".
They know three things of Britain: The Queen, Man U and Never Ending Handouts. What I know is that our pensioners have to choose between food and heating because of mad immigration policies like this. We need out of the EU now! How long before Bulgaria/Romania instigate a relocation policy where their Government fund these people to come here to clear their own decks of social outcasts and criminals? And we have to take the lot of them on the taxpayer dime? Madness sheer utter contemptible madness.
Sheer Insanity ! How can this possibly be allowed to happen ? Left UK with my young family in 1957 after my Army Service in WW2 , have been home to visit family and each time the way things are there depress me more and confirms the hard decision we made then to leave .
My heart goes out to them, but it doesn't seem right that the British taxpayer should have to foot the bill for the bigotry of the rest of the Bulgarians and Romanians. I hope the law is changed so that they aren't allowed to come in and stretch Britain's already tight finances. Sorry, but there's not enough money to go round.
Their home is a slum because they've made it a slum. They'll come to the UK and make a slum of that too.
What happened to the government pledge to CUT immigration? Is this another promise that won't come to pass?
Not one politician will make a comment for fear of being branded a racist. England the dumping ground of Europe.
"You can see why we like Britain where everyone is treated fairly" Yes, everyone apart from the hardworking taxpayers.
Wake up Britain! You can't let this happen.
An absolute outrage! Listen to the people and stop ruining the country!
ONE year to get out of Europe then......a bit like The Mayan Apocolypse..... "THE WORLD WiLL NOT COME TO AN END IF WE DO!
There are a lot of negative, racist and bigoted comments about these people who have every right to move to Great Britain. The people that are now making the comments probably shouted the loudest about the racism and bigotry in the British colonies which served Britain well in the past.
email the link to this article to your local mp's
read it and weep!! am gled to say am out of the mad house.you cannot blame this government for decision made over the last 30 years. The trap was set and we walked into it.
GET OUT OF EU TO SAVE UK
Bring in those who are prepared to work hard, make room for them by shipping out those Brit's who are addicted to charity. We need people who will work hard and contribute tax to distribute amongst those who cant work through age etc. It should be argued that those who contribute are an asset, those that don't a liability, be they native or not.
This will be the death nail for the conservative party, they might just as well disband now if this is allowed to happen. IN/ OUT referendum NOW.
Say this isn't so! This will decimate all aspects of life in the UK , from social services, to housing to education. What about the fine people that built this country up? Will the UK be able to care for them in their old age, in a manner they deserve and have earned? I.e. a lifetime of paying taxes among many other contributions to british life.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Great Britain? Pfft, NO! We're a damn joke, our PM is a fool who would let anyone in! I'M VOTING UKIP! I don't care, I WANT OUT OF THE EU!
after centuries of occupying other country - poetic justice!
Enough is enough, lets close our doors and get us out of this EU!!!!!!
I just don't know what to say anymore. I'm saddened, sickened, upset, exasperated and more by what has happened to my country. And how can we afford to pay benefits to foreigners when we are giving genuine sick British people such a tough time. Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative they are all to blame in the sinking of HMS Great Britain once the greatest country that was and now a cesspit.
Its alot harder to kick people out than to keep them out. this goverment has allready failed us, theres no going back, the damage is done.
It's only going to get worse year on year! Nothing will be done until its too late and the damage is beyond repair as usual in this country. The labour & Conservative party haven't got the balls nor guts to tackle touchy subjects such as immigration. It's just sad that the hard pressed tax payer has to foot the bill, which is getting bigger & bigger each year.
Over 1 million migrants in the UK and I'm sure that's not a true recorded number! All you tax payers are being forced to pay for these benefits whether you like it or not and EU law does not state it is complusory for these migrants to have free entry into the UK it is at the discretion of the government. Merry Christmas......
@ Tesa: Strange that someone living in a welcoming multicultural country like Australian should be so opposed to Europeans coming to live in England. Let's hope that there is no Australian version of UKIP (AUSKIP?) running with a policy of sending English
let it happen.........when the benefits run out they will be forced to change the laws. Explain to me how a country can support a infinite amount of people that have never paid into the system? It just cant. As it stands now every asylum seeker can claim clothing allowance , income support , rent , free health care and free prescriptions, child support and have access to priority housing over people who have lived in this country and been on the housing list for years.
I left Great Britain back in 1975 when it was still "Great Britain" ... I am so glad I did! I go back every year to visit family and friends, but every year what I see looks less and less like the country that I left. For God's sake, when are the government finally going to say enough is enough. The social support system in the UK is an amazing thing ... but totally abused by everybody who can manage to get across the channel and say "I'm here, give me a house and some money".
And as usual the government is waiting until millions come here to claim benefits and demand housing and schooling before they realise it is a huge problem for this country. Ten we will see foreigners getting to the top of every freebie list going while people who are struggling here will get their benefits cut and no help because there won't be any money left. They know this is going to happen why aren't they putting a stop to it now, if that means getting out of Europe then it seems like it can only be a good thing.
Question. Why did I migrate? My list of pro's were many, my list of con's were only one. This wasn't it.
So many red-arrowed display their ignorance. No, you do not have to be resident here for five years to get benefits - you only have to turn up, thanks to an EU ruling on discrimination. No, there is no reciprocal arrangement - move to BG and you will have to pay in for years before you get anything, like they do. And no, British people have not 'colonised' BG - some have bought property there in the villages which have been abandoned, some on the coast. But there are already more Bulgarians in Britain than there are Britons in Bulgaria, and those who have moved to Bulgaria get no assistance there, and pay their own way, bringing much needed wealth into BG.
Your I got out the UK 4 years ago and miss it every day, it's never had a grip on immigration since the 50's and each successive government promises to change things but fails every time. It's ok for the politicians because they don't have to live in or shop in the same areas as the rest of the 'normal' people. It's too late to change things now but there needs to be control. At this rate I would rather stay where I am in WA. Come on people of UK, stand up and be counted. Use your vote wisely and break the status quo. There are other parties to choose from.:
And one of the reasons I will not be able to retire from nursing until I'm almost 70....
I feel so sad for Great Britain. How come the Government is allowing this to happen in an already ovedrcrowded country. I emigrated 30 years ago to Canada where there is so much more space and air to breathe.
Yeah it's called wealth redistribution. Empires tend to do that.
I got out the UK 4 years ago and miss it every day, it's never had a grip on immigration since the 50's and each successive government promises to change things but fails every time. It's ok for the politicians because they don't have to live in or shop in the same areas as the rest of the 'normal' people. It's too late to change things now but there needs to be control. At this rate I would rather stay where I am in WA. Come on people of UK, stand up and be counted. Use your vote wisely and break the status quo. There are other parties to choose from.
Welcome!
Glad I left there 2 years ago to move to Canada! It was bad enough back then.....
its over...
Well, frankly it sounds like they're willing to work at any job going, as long as they can improve their lives. A friend has an employment agency and she gets Poles in with PhDs who are happy to do absolutely anything - pick fruit, clean loos, you name it. No fancypants demands at all. They work hard and get on - and their kids do, too. Look at many council estates where you have families where nobody, over generations now, has ever worked at all, and ask yourself: who is the better person to have in the country?
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 because we have no balls, i really am ashamed to be british
If there 's a God then may he help you all. I left the UK because I foresaw what was happening. We were being swamped. You are now swamped, and soon you will drown. I am now in New Zealand, far from loved ones. We have a more financially impoverished life here but one of the benefits is that unless you live in Auckland, where half of the countries 4.5 million people live, then you have room to breathe. 4.5 million people living on the same land mass where the UK had 42,401,000 living in 2011. I love the UK, it is my country, but I am so glad I am not there to watch it sink under the weight of the poor Europeans. My thoughts and best wishes are with you all.
Go away, you are not welcome. In the UK stealing metal is not a profession and we already have enough people doing it for free. Instead of leeching off other countries why don't you all get some backbones and strive to make your own country better?
Meanwhile down at the foodbanks...
Britain, dustbin of the World. Never mind, don't complain about them coming here as all political parties want them as it's good for Britain. Don't forget you vote them into power so it's as much your fault. We need out of this farce called the E.U. now.
Why has Britain become the Mecca of Europe? Two of the worst decisions we ever made was ~ 1. Building a Channel Tunnel and 2. Joining the EU.
UKIP is our only chance. You have to be a complete idiot to vote any other party. If England has these entitlements and we have to pay how come the other EU states don't have the same. What is wrong with our stupid leaders? Why is their goal to completely distroy our country.
I left UK a few years ago when I thought it was bad enough there and It does not look like it will get any better!
So so glad I don't live in the UK any more. Was over in October and it is a very depressing place.
You see that, where they live. That will be us, England if we keep letting people in and living off benefits while the rest of us WORK so they can have a better life. What about us?
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash! - Tesa , Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 01:13 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Are you joking, UKIP will never have any control in this country.
As usual, the Mail is capitalising on moral panic without even doing the maths first: the population of Bulgaria is 7,364,570, while the population of Roumania is 19,043,767; and the trend is down. Relax, folks!
And who is going to support these people? I thought the country was in a desperate state already without this insurge. When will some politicians listen to the people? Why dont they move to another country? IF the EU are stopping us refusing entry then it is indeed time to leave and give them the problem back and we can take control our country again.
When Labour win the next election they'll do everything they can to get every single one here. Hundreds of thousands of new Labour voters. Combined with the stupid Brits and the bribed client voters they think they'll be in power for ever. In fact it will just be till we end up like Greece and see real economic collapse and then real change.
Cameron!!! Get OUT of the EU NOW!!! This is INSANITY!!!
Don't worry. There is not the slightest chance that they could take your job...
Zzoo, Sweden - those countries might have better food, culture and architecture but what they don't have is what all those immigrants will want: free house, free money, free healthcare, free education.
Why are so many people allowed housing benefit. One girl I used to work with just told me she gets £500 a month and it was going going up soon!her boyfriend has packed in his job yesterday so they will be rakiing it in and they plan to have another baby next year despite just having one a month ago!aparantly £500 a month is not that much and she just spends it because its paid into her bank account and her boyfriend never asked for it because his wages before covered everything and extra! I couldn't believe what I was hearing no wonder we are in debt!!
Mr Blair's legacy lives on! It won't be long before the 'British' in the UK will be the minority, from the last Census information wasn't it revealed that 1 in 8 were already foreign. The benefit system has got to be contained in order to stop people wanting to come to this country. We need to spend money on our schools, hospitals etc not on benefits for people who arrive in this country looking for a new life. I'm sorry but this makes my blood boil.
Time for you all to get out, me thinks, while you still can.
I dont understand how they can claim benefits. My son was made redundant and could only claim a certain amount because he had only paid in a small amount but these people come over and claim for everything. Can someone tell me why they can get benefits please.
That's London finsihed! I'm leaving............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Robot, New York, who are you trying to kid, that NY is better ?
i hate this country! as if it isnt hard enough to get a job!! now they will put a squeeze on benefits for everyone! and we will sink deeper into recession! im sorry but i dont really care if thier country is bad, somebody needs to put a stop to this and any other imagration! we have enough! go away!!!
Unbelivable...........Im fed up with this pathetic country, get me out of here!
No, no, no-ohhhh - enough already!! - Actually way more than enough already!! Reclaim Britain while we have a chance!!
Where are you going to put all those people? I live in California which is larger than the UK and has a smaller population and I think we are crowded!
"Blair and co have a lot to answer for. One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what??? Educator, Ohio USA" World War 11? When was that, I remember World War I and World War II, but somehow I missed the eight World Wars between WW II and WW eleven. What exactly is the subject you educate people in Ohio? Hopefully not history.
No. Just NO!
Thank goodness I sold my house, my business this year and moved out of UK. Sick about paying 40% tax to support parasites invited to my country by our government. I could just about tolerate supporting UK born scroungers, but this takes the biscuit. Goodbye welfare state. :)
Britain is FULL send them to Brussels!
Isnt it amazing how everyone can forsee problems yet the inept lot at Westminster cannot, I can only surmise that it is a deliberate plan by the leftie elites to destroy any community cohesion, rid a benefit system as unsustainable and NHS whilst letting our own get ignorant through pricing them out of education. I weep for this country, just to make sure all Europeans come here so they will vote in a referendum. That is why Camoron wants its after they are allowed here.
The racist bigots of UKIP won't like this.
There's no point sitting on your backsides hoping it wont happen. Get off your arses and stand up for once, don't roll over and take it again. The chinless wonders in government will walk all over you unless something is done, and quickly. Grow a pair....................
They would be wiser to head for a number of other EU countries where more work is available and benefits more generous. Austria, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc.
I thank God every day that we got out of Britain ,its becoming the dustbin of the world where we are the second class citizens and all the scroungers are given every help, after a lifetime of paying taxes my pension is frozen at the rate that i left we get no yearly increases ,yet you can walk into Britain pay nothing in and claim everything ,much of it the fault of being in the E.U
Your very welcome!
If they were NOT allowed to claim benefits they wouldn't bother coming. Why have I pad tax for years just so these people can come and live off me?
It would be cheaper for the government to pay Bulgarians/Romanians benefits at their countries respective rates for two years and not allow them entry into the UK for this time and this could mean the UK could leave the EU by this time. However if Alex (EU) Salmond gains Scotland's independence from UK then Bulgarians and Romanians will travel to Scotland then cross the border into England. In his case Scotland should pay their benefits, healthcare, education and housing after Scotland leaves the UK union through independence.
Escaped the UK 10 years ago. Was back in July 2012, shocked at how many eastern Europeans there were living there now. And not just in the big cities either. The UK has changed, not for the better. These people bring a very different way of life with them. I agree it's probably too late to do anything about it, move if you have the chance! Just opening another bottle of Sauvignon on a sun lounger and thinking of getting the BBQ on.
Crazy situation - chuffed to bits I not live in uk anymore
I really dont understand how this works ? ..I watched a program about an English family becoming homeless with four children and they were refused housing..and the Dad if the family was managing to work full time !....it really has to stop , when we have enough of our own social problems to worry about .
Don't complain like whinging poms,get off your backsides and do something about it.
You were stupid joining the EU in the first place, you should have stuck with the USA, AUstralia and the commonwelath countries instead
I was born here but my parents are foreigners HOWEVER I'm against more foreigners prancing into our country and using our system. The government needs to put an end to this.
Omg this makes me so angry! I'm disgusted at what is happening to our once great country. Soon we'll be a minority in our own home thanks to the government. It's about time David Cameron & the rest if them actually listened to us & gave us our referendum on the EU. I don't know a single person who'd vote to keep us in. Roll on the next election - UKIP all the way for me. The more David Cameron messes up & fails to listen to us, the more certain I am of my next vote.
I pay my taxes to my country, not to a charity that invites the whole world to come and take advantage of it. The Tories are no better than New Labour, they'll do absolutely nothing. They say it's an EU thing, so go against it, show some guts for the sake of OUR country.
Now that they've claimed all they can in Ireland they're moving to pasture new
When you no longer have a seat at the table let me know. Your government is selling you down the Thames.
WHAT A MANIPULATING TITLE! SHAME ON YOU, SUE REID! Romania's population is about 19 million people, and Bulgaria's population hardly reaches 8 million people! Where did you study journalism? And, above all, have you ever studied geography at all? How did you pass your exams with such poor knowledge?
who is going to put a stop to this!!!!!!!!!!
This is not hard to sort out. NO ONE, and let it be NO ONE is allowed any benefit at all health, housing, unemployment, child, until they have worked here for 3 or 4 or 5 years and contributed to our NATIONAL HEALTH, NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT NATIONAL CHILD, NATIONAL HOUSING, see the connection no where do I see INTERNATIONAL in front of any benefit. This would stop us, or help, being a country of givers (mugs) for the rest of Europe. No wonder Obama and all the European countries want us to stay in, where would they send all these, here words fail me, not productive members of the population of that I am sure, if we did not have them.
A LIBLABCON VOTE IS A WASTED VOTE . VOTE UKIP OR ANY OTHER PARTY OR INDEPENDANT. REVOLT AT THE POLLS .KICK THE TRAITORS OUT.
I despise the EU, I despise this country and every PM and politician who has been involved in welcoming every Tom, Dick and Harry from all over the globe without any consideration for healthcare, housing, education, the economy, policing, prisons, culture clashes, religious clashes and the general opinion of the British people. This country is nothing more than an over-crowded free-for-all and it's completely ruined; there's no turning back now. You only have to walk down one street in a town-centre and you'll hear about 50 languages being spoken. Think back to all those wars that have been fought for this country, those soldiers will be turning in their graves.
VOTE UKIP, get OUT of Europe
Oh great thats all we need!!... We hardly hear an english speaking voice in town as it is, i feel like im holiday abroad .. Only difference is i know my way around, .... This needs to stop NOW!!!
If Camoron is making some 20,000 of our Armed Forces REDUNDANT, there are few jobs for them, never mind housing , schools etc., put them on the borders and stop this madness of EU dilution
Unsustainable!
Surely even Cameron can see this is going to ruin us completely , i know he's not the brightest prime minister we ever had but i can't believe when he is trying his damnedest to cut the welfare bill he is going to stand by and do nothing ? It is quite obvious that none of these people will ever find work and support themselves , what with the gay marriage bill and everything else this latest fiasco must surely mean the tories will know full well they haven't got a hope in hell of winning a general election .
....anyway, aren't the health and safety 'police' concerned about all this..you know, OUR 'health' and 'safety'.
They may be on their way but as soon as I can I am out of here. My once beautiful country is finished and the scum that did it will go unpunished.
I am so glad I am older and not young. I fear for the future of this country. We can only home so many - we are not a huge country. Stay in your own country and try to make improvements there.
Little do they realize it will be just as bad here. I feel sorry for them.
I own a very very large property in England. I shall fire my staff and replace them with these new types.
Oh my Goodness!!! Words can not express my fury, and the sick feeling in my stomach, that this may well happen. We already have enough low life, criminal, disease ridden, unskilled, anti-British immigrants!!! We simply cant handle anymore!
But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens. What hope have we when this is the reason they come here and the GUTLESS GOVERNMENT are only interested in their GRAVY TRAIN.
I'm all for people coming here if they can contribute to society. If people are here just to scrounge benefits, they shouldn't be allowed. Simple as that. No need to even mention what race you are or where you're from.
Makes you proud to br British that so many people want to live in our great country
You can all clear off!
And another thing....it may be the season for HO.. HO.. HO.. in Bugarian that does NOT translate into WAGONS HO! Nuff said.
More for taxpayers to fork out for , bloody joke !!'
And Cameron's top priority? Gay marriage!!! Says it all really. Glad I'm out, but I worry for my grand children!!
To all the left wing lay-abouts who don't have a single economic or business brain cell, hand in yr passports & get out if u hate Britain so much.
Disgusting, it is no longer the british peoples country, it belong to every alien from every poor country, I am soooooo glad my husband made me leave when he did, the royals better waqtcfh out, they will be getting dethroned next
The sad thing looking at these pictures it could easily be the UK in a few years time. The UK is importing poverty.
You are about to loose your country and everything it stood for all under the name of Human Rights...seems someone forgot the human rights of those who actually real UK citizens. I pray some common sense and real leaders who have care for survival of your way of life are put in power!
I hope someone makes a stand about this on Question Time.
We've got at least a few million to deport as it is. Definitely don't want any more ruining our country.
Open up your hearts and wallets
Do any of the people who ¿getting out¿ of England as you say have an ounce of patrioticness in your body? I don't currently live in the U.K but i will return and i still care about what is happening to our country and the future of it. Would you turn your back on your family and kick them as your left? Most Brits are not racist people but we know we have to draw a line and control the situation that is currently crippling us as a nation. Out of the EU i say!
If Romania, Bulgaria are in the EU and sit on the ECHR, why is it that they have to come to the UK to claim their "human rights"? Why are their home nations allowed to deny them benefits but the UK is forced to provide? This is madness.
and the rest, just an underestimate of the 100 million due to come
What the h**l is going on. There has to be something that can be done to stop this mindless influx of welfare claimants and scroungers. A referendum will not close the door in time. Action is needed NOW!
we should be using the foreign aid budgets to stop immigration not encourage it. this is just getting silly.
The policies of UKIP is the only way to stop this madness.
The last Government agreed to this but what is Cameron going to do about it ? the answer there came none! Somebody ought to remind Cameron that he is supposed to be looking after the interests of THIS Country ! The whole situation of this Country needs a lot of hard work to restore it but what does Cameron do ? he legislates on Gay Marriage . Sooooo important ! I only hope that UKIP gets enough votes so that it takes the place of the Cleggies. It will have mine.
Scrooge is alive and well and working at the Daily Mail.
I left because the crooked poloticians from all parties sold us down the river. If you are against their policies & voice this you are labeled a racist, you are in a no win situatiion. If you want to save your country i suggest you vote for UKIP; Cameron, Clegg, Milliband etc are nothing but chocolate fireguards, you need a strong leader & these men have neither the courage, passion or desire to improve their country.
Looks like the UK does not want to grow calluses on her heart, bleed to death then!!!
If you have a brain, if you have a skill, if you have the means then get out of Britain; it is sleepwalking to disaster.
The Beginning of the end
I have no problem with this, after all we also have the right to travel to Bulgaria. I doubt many will stay when they realise that conditions are no better here thanks to 33 years of right-wing incompetence.
This is Blair and Brown's plan all along not Cameron's. wake up people! You voted for Blair. This is what happens when u vote labour!!
We dont need even more scum moving to this country. Put a stop to it now. - Bill, Enfield, 23/12/2012 23:46 Please Bill tell me how you know each any every one of these people are scum. This country was made great by people in search of a better life by people coming from all over the world. Obscene how people disciminate against others just for being born and wanting a better life for their loves ones.
Oh dear Lord, they are really bad. We have to stop this NOW!
Protest!!!!!!!!!
I honestly don't mind at all , come one come all but I would certainly appreciate a tax rebate from the Treasury , taxes paid in support of our indigenous deserving population and services , I did not set out to support hapless claimants from anywhere and everywhere in the world. . So on that basis , refund my money and I will go thereby leaving more space for this gov't , like their predecessor , to fill , with whomsoever they like . Hang it , I'll just go , yet I feel so dreadfully sorry for those who might be stuck here through no fault of their own . This country has no name , it is merely an overrun holding pen of a camp site protected by human rights , whilst we , have none .We have lost all sovereignty and identity .I have nothing against eastern Europeans per se , but this is now too damned much .
The Government must stop it before it starts.
"I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now?" - Sassygirl , England, United Kingdom_______________Don't be silly, cuts just apply to the sick, disabled and unemployed. Benefit fraudsters and foreigners are fine. Oh and the expenses claiming elite, plenty of money for those as well.
They can hardly wait to get here, and when they do, millions more hard working tax payers will be clambering to get out. There's no end in sight for this madness. As more and more benefits seekers come in and the tax payers leave, is only a recipe for disaster.
OMG, I do not even live in your country but love to visit England! It's pretty much the same here in the Netherlands. I see so many immigrants every where hanging in the streets. I hate the EU with a passion. This not going to end up good. The near future has began to scare me. Globalisation will kill us all eventually!!
We need a referendum..NOW!!!
The Mayans weren't too far out then, at least as far as the UK is concerned.
The UK is marching blindly into total social disintegration & no one is doing anything at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,very sad,
We pay taxes, National Insurance etc and these people who have never contributed a penny can come over and claim benefits and get housed. It's about time our politicians grew a pair and told the EU that enough is enough.
This will be the final nail in the coffin, but you can guarantee the left will continue to trot out their "benefits of immigration" tripe & anyone that disagrees will be racist.
Do not understand.
Something needs to be done as the goverment will welcome them with open arms. Giving them everything. Then taxing us for it.
why do we have to take everyone's rubbish?...we haven't got any more room....and the benefits are for our people aren't they.?..our needy,not everyone else's needy...makes me so angry we are so stupid....
Sorry, we're full!
Where will they live??? Are those in government stupid?!
Brit taxpayers, you better start getting some overtime in. The money for this lot has to come from YOU. Taxes will have to go up considerably and your standard of living will drop, no matter what Cameron and Clegge say.
And where will the millions of then supplanted, job- and housing-deprived Britons move to?
Goodbye England...I loved you once.
At some point someone has to say enough there will be no one left in Eastern Europe and the UK will be drowning trying to support the weight of them all!! My husband and I live in Canada which is a very multicultural country but unlike the UK it has e space for immigrants but the reason they don't all flood into Canada is because the immigration laws here are a lot stricter and you have to meet certain requirements you cannot just turn up and get in!
Labour signed us up to this agreement that will allow these people in. When the state no longer provides benefits of any sort and the NHS has been privatised they will blame the Tories but the truth is that they will have destroyed it all by ruining the country's finances.
I used to think the New World Order was a conspiracy theory - not anymore as all Western nations are being inundated with poorer countries immigrants. Our governments wring their collective hands and do nothing but let in more welfare moochers and tell us to feel thankful for the "diversity". Look at the NHS - do you think it'll be better or improve next year after millions of new patients arrive? How about your schools? The middle class is fast disappearing to be replaced by a "diverse" poor class - with the rich (many of whom are pushing the NWO) sitting pretty in their mansions and gated houses.
Enough! Out of the EU. NOW! Sick of seeing beggars and pickpockets everywhere.
This angers me very much, disgraceful.
"left the seedy slum of Fakulteta, on the outskirts of the Bulgarian capital Sofia, to settle in Luton, Beds" Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Still he should feel right at home in Luton
Cameron said half of the countryside in England will be built on by 2020. There's gonna be a revolution very soon.
Dear Mr Cameron Where will the money come from to pay for the extra houses, hospitals, schools, prisons etc??????????????????????? Hopefully (but almost certainly) not from all of the indigenous hardworking, minimum wage, taxpayers who cannot afford dental care, proper heating or any kind of mortgage and who struggle to simply pay the rent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough is enough. Time to leave the EU and stop this new wave of benefit scroungers. Isn't the 'home grown', Jeremy Kyle society destroying this country already without anyone else coming into the UK adding to it? Merry bloody Christmas!
I really sympathise for people in certain countries as they want a better life but... the UK really is full. England is already over crowded and too many people just take advantage of the benefits now. Poor old UK.. I feel for the people there, I recently visited and certain places you go to, you don't hear a word of English. The pretty English charm there once was is being lost in places. Do something about your immigration laws before it gets out of control. :(
Keep these people out; there's far too many scroungers like them here already. How many more can this island take?! They are not entitled to our hard-earned taxes. KEEP THEM OUT.
No wonder Cameron is attacking benefit claimants
How many English will work for £600 per month in a nursing home?None.But the immigrants will.And they will fill the coffers of the shareholders.What is the problem?
on your marks, get set, ready.........
The millions who come will end up in England not Wales or Scotland so why say Britain? The European Union is a walking disaster area. - King Al, Gloucester, 23/12/2012 23:40 - - - - - - - - - - - You're so wrong, Glasgow's full of them.
I understand your concern Britain. We have the same problem here in NZ, our govt is too free with handing out taxpayers money to newcomers into the country. They get so many more benefits than our own people made redundant and unable to find more work, etc. We're sick of it and considering we're a country of only 4 million people with ONLY 1 million of them working, how the heck are we supposed to keep supporting refugees? Oh yes, borrow, borrow, borrow! The EU was the biggest mistake but the real backbone of the country, the people, had no say. Where is the world headed?
David, you got to do something and, quickly, we are in serious trouble.
Wow! - they look like they'll be a great asset *insert sarcasm and anger*
The fat cats' instructions to their Tory puppets are quite clear. If we can't export a particular job to cheap workers overseas then we want a cheap overseas worker allowed in to do it here. The obvious public anger about mass immigration counts for nothing against the promise of lucrative company directorships for all these "business friendly" Conservative MPs.
Take a thousand years building up England into the greatest Country in History and then allow Politicians to destroy it all inside half a century. Painful to watch isn't it.
Tell me about it. A middle-aged acquaintance of mine intend to marry a Bulgarian man only because he wants to remain in the UK. A big mistake but I won't interfere,,, it's not my business.
The wheels were set in motion by previous labor governments ... Time to take these wheels off! Also consider why they want to come to UK above other EU countries? Figure that out and take that away!? With the benefits for all firmly in place, Britain can I'll afford more people on benefits. Money don't grow on trees anywhere, even Brussels ...
Shut the ruddy gates NOW!!!
I bet they've got their flights booked already. I hope Dave has budgeted for a BIG increase in welfare payments post 2014.
If ever there was a Daily Mail article where the comment 'vote UKIP' was appropriate, this is it. The speed at which we're going down the pan will be greatly accelerated once the door is fully opened to the Eastern Europeans.
Bet they can't wait !! Honestly this is crazy we simply cannot afford to do this Sick of paying my taxes for people like this
No no no. Stop this it isn't right. We will bloody NOT "look after them". They're not our responsibility. They mustn't come here.
so 2 million out of work but cameron and his jokers allow more in to drain? I seriously don't get it.
Perhaps its time to finally man the barricades and kick this government in the teeth.
Why are we importing social economic problems from Europe when we can not house, employ are own people?
REFERENDUM NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WANT OUT - UKIP WILL HAVE MY VOTE AND MANY OTHERS AGREE..................
I don't care if they come here or not, but why should they be entitled to benefits? They have paid no tax! And why should they be entitled to free healthcare? They have paid no national insurance! Oh that's right because the government happily helps themselves to my hard earned wages for them. No wonder half the people of this country feel they don't need to work either.
"so marginalised and mistrusted in their own lands." Yeah, sure. And with reason but that's not PC to say that. Just ask the Dutch how they ran into a brick wall and just gave up trying to help these people. But lets be honest; you LibLabCon voters deserve what you get when this wave rolls over you. Welcome to the EU. Please join the Euro to make the catastrophe compleet.
so much for getting the benefit bill down in Britain,it will soar sky high,and where will they house them? it most certainly will not be anywhere near politicians place of abode,DUSTBIN BRITAIN.
¿All we want is a normal life like the British people. I would like to go because I support Manchester United. There we would get our housing paid and child benefits. Here, we are given £30 a month by the state for our two youngest boys. It is not enough.¿............ And soon Britain will become bankrupt by the mass immigration, the UK isnt' the answer, we are full already, time to look elsewhere.......
Aren't you folks crowded enough? Who is allowing ever more jostling throngs of people into your sardine packed country?
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad.
I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now?
Enough is enough, this is Britain for gods sake! I've had it with us being overrun by foreigners
I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!!
Just amazing that this country gives 53m per day , to belong to a club that is destroying it in every possible way The only fight back are weak cries of vote UKIP , how pathetic you have all become . By the time you get your long awaited vote , what little is left will have gone . Each and everyone of you will be too blame !!!!
Camoron is determined to ruin this once great country. I'm starting to think these morons running the government have had their brains removed and are being controlled by remote control by drug crazed aliens from the planet zog for their version of a tv reality show
I am so glad I got out of the UK it gets worse by the minute, will the last one to leave please turn out the light
EUSSR.
on your marks,get set, ready........
SHUT THE DOOR.
now we know why Dave don't want a vote yet he has not got all his supporters moved in yet
i feel really sorry for all these people i know we are so much luckier - and i am thankful for that but really??? how many more people are we gonna allow to come here and ADD to the debt.. our country is NEVER gonna get back to their former glory if these people keep coming in here and taking all our money.. they are outright saying they are coming here to claim benefits - benefits that are paid for by HARDWORKING PEOPLE.. its just wrong... im sorry i know they need help but so do we... x
Can't wait for this.
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good!
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash!
Welcome to the UK........where everyone sits back and pays for you to live for free.
Great!! More tenants for us landlords :~D
If they come, the Gov facing big massive problems:1. Housing.2.NHS3.Jobs4. Benefits.5.Crime. Look how many people work in the UK? this will make people who works and pay tax fed up. I am sorry I am not anti EU,(They are welcome if they have money to support themselves, pay NHS, pay their rent, understand English in written, speak, listening communication), but how nice they are come here and get everything, meanwhile people who works are suffers to pay all the bills, tax etc. Most of them can't speak English.
Many of these immigrants have nothing to offer us. The strong countries of Europe mainly Germany and Great Britain need a strong right wing government quick to take decisive action to end this immigration menace!
A vote for Labour, liberal, or conservative will be a vote for the gypsies of Bulgaria
God help us. David Cameron.....what are you going to do?
Perhaps I am thick or something, but why is it that this country has to give benefits to all and sundry, when places like Spain who are also in the EU don't? This country can't afford to take everyone in and certainly not the likes of this lot in the article. There must be something we can do to stop the influx of this scum. Britain should be for the British, who have worked and paid into the benefits system for years! My vote next time is going to UKIP - at least they will try to keep this lot out!
Why can't this man send his money home to start a farm growing food and get people to supply the families so others can then start working......... All it takes is for one to stand up a be counted........ Others will follow. Britain can't take much more of this!
Vote UKIP.
Freedom of Movement rule....looks like you have one more year left. You're doomed
Two men started this cascade of humanity heading for our shores. Messers blair and brown . After having dealings with the roma in France all I can say is God help us we are going to need it
Great Britian is far too small for any more Immigrants and our green are so shrinking, their aims is only our sparkling benefits so isn't it about time we restricts our borders and knock off the Euro's interferences and pull out because they don't give benefits to us british if we goes elsewhere in Euro, but they'd have the ruddy cheek to order us to gives our money to the foreigners when they don't themselves. Looks as if they're pushing us into ruins deliberately so we're hard done by with our stupid knees knocking government who is squeamish to pulls out of there and the fuse are getting very short for the real British people.
This scares me.....it just gets worse:'(
Crime will go up ten fold... (vote ukip)
One of the criteria to join the EU should be that all nations have the same benefit system. As we are the idiots paying way above anyone else, maybe that's one EU directive we should put forward. That way the country wanting to join the EU will have to pay the same state handouts we do meaning their population can stay put. The reality will be that country will NEVER want to join the EU as overnight they will have to adopt our benefit legislation.
Of course it's a shame that they have to endure such hardship. But Britain can only take so much, and the time has come to say sorry chaps but we're full. Our social infrastructure just cannot withstand the additional pressure of a mass influx of people. We need to get out the EU.
Is this real? Thank god we'll never be part of the EU. You should hear the carry on here over a few thousand refugees arriving by boat each year even though they now have to be processed off shore. I can understand why these people want to come to your country but I can't understand how you can possibly sustain it. Under the EU rules doesn't your government get to say 'enough'. Can't imagine people are falling over each other to go to Romania or Bulgaria so what happens when you're full?
Britain can't afford the benefits bill as it is, we're running out of houses, resources, utilities and patience - we simply can't help everyone!
Get out of the EU NOW, before it really is too late! If this influx of thieves and parasites is allowed to happen, it will be the end of the UK for decent, honest people.
This country is a DISGRACE
It would be crazy to just let these people in. There MUST be some control.
Bobby George states that these Romanians want to come to Britain before it is full up.I have news for you Mr George they are 10 years too late.As for self employment I see that some of your people have alternatives to selling the big issue such as stripping the lead off church roofs and ripping out copper cable from our railway systems.Vote UKIP and put an end to this EU insanity.
Get us out of the EU Cameron
Insanity.
Are these the skilled workers that Cable's missus was on about?
Great! Fantastic news! Just what I wanted to read on this fine Monday morning. This fills me with so much hope when I apply for a school place for my child.......and get turned down........you figure out the rest...........
Where are they going to live??? We have homeless people in this country already! My son and i have been in a one bed temporary accommadation for 19 months!! Schools and Hospitals stretched!! where is this going to end??
Well...what can I say. Britain is being integrated into the EU superstate regardless. We need to reclaim our sovereignty from the EU and make Britain great again.
As a former soldier, a father of two young girls, I now feel compelled to fight for my kids future, in any form that it may take to safeguard there future. The traitors running our country, the pro EU idiots, should hang their collective heads in shame. My tolerance has snapped.
This influx, if the useless government allows it will be the final nail in the coffin of UK Plc. Wait for Theresa May to start her hand wringing saying " We are powerless to stop it ". Britain, a sovereign nation ? Barroso and Van Rumpy Pumpy say jump and our stalwart politico's ask How High. We are witnessing the final death throes of a once great nation. RIP. Britain
It is so wrong that they have an automatic right to benefits and healhcare, when we have pensioners on reduced income due to insufficient credits during their working lives - particularly women. Why can't we stop them flooding our country and handle immigration like Australia and the USA do.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world !!!
Heaven help us all.
If Camoron lets in many more, I predict there will be problems that will make the recent riots look like a tea party.
EU REFERENDUM >>> NOW <<< Get us OUT of Europe before this disaster gets worse and worse and the UK will pay the price because we have a socialist benefits system, rightfully set up to benefit UK nationals, wrongfully abused by immigrants from many countries inside and outside the EU. It will be Turkey and Russia and the Former Soviet Union countries next ..... at that point there will be no British people prepared to withstand living in such degraded conditions except the vulnerable, elderly, disabled, and very young. That would be abuse of citizens by the Government (who also would no doubt flee the country).
Close the door now taxpayers or you will be paying for these unwanted people.GET OUT OF EU NOW!!!
and yet our elderly are struggling to survive on what little they have as pensions, our NHS is buckling under the strain, housing is at a premium but hey we will just support all of the other countries but bugger our own. there's nowhere to put these people so close the borders! what a joke.
Coming to a house near to you, I've seen the results of the "self employed" from that area who already have the right to be here and believe me, it ain't pretty.
the incompetent Cameron will do nothing to prevent this predictable disaster
Theres no other option but to leave this country
Total ban on immigrants. To hell with the EU. This country cannot support these people. They will drag us down to the level of the countries they come from
So many people in the UK don't know how good they have it. Wow.
Seriously?
EU hates Britain, doesn't it.
I know this article is alarmist but enough is enough. Now is the time to vote on whether we stay or leave the EU. Once and for all let us decide as to which direction we take. If the poliiticians dont allow this basic right then beware the normally passive people of this country may take the initiative !!!
Doesn't surprise me with this country anymore! However I will be voting UKIP we need to sort this place out and get out of the EU quick before they ruin Britain forever.
The Labour left wing luvvies must be wetting themselves in anticipation.
If this insanity goes ahead it will dwarf the New Labour betrayal.The British people have to have an in or out vote on the EU before this disaster takes place.Our National Health Service and benefit sytems are in a critical state now and if we open our borders now to millions of claimants this will really be the end of Britain .Once in this country these people will never leave.
I find this article incorrect and highly insulting to Bulgarians. Nobody wants your country. Get over yourselves!
In most countries, they allow immigration only if the immigrants will bring something beneficial to the economy or job market. Here, it's the other way. Anyone who wants a better life, queue up. It's on us (apparently.)
I have no problem with people coming over who will contribute to the system but benefit scroungers stay out, we already have enough of those.
The UK will get all the scroungers while the rest of Europe gets the skilled and hard working.
Roll up, roll up, come to Britain, the Labour Party and the Left wing will welcome you with open arms. If you cant find a job and have no skills there are plenty of state benefits you can obtain and you will be given every assistance, left wingers are proud of this fact. No other country does this but they are smarter than what we are. In the meantime Cameron will be blamed for rising unemployment while Britain goes down the plughole
From the DM to us all - Happy Scaremongering - t'is the season to be jolly, giving, sharing and caring.
There is a simple answer , we refuse to further open our doors and keep controls in place . If the EU dont like it they can lump it.
Bulgarians are not moving to England. Relax! Living in BG is much better/cheaper than England. Ask the English expats living in Bulgaria if you don't believe me ...
Oh god ! No! Enough is enough..!! No more foreigners please!!
Hey Britain, welcome your new citizens and roll out the red carpet. After all you asked and agreed for this. Thank God we, in Australia, are selective and we decide who come to our country.
It makes me so angry that everyone flocks here to bleed us dry and still the government lets them come.... so much for looking after us mr cameron...thanks a lot you stabbed us all in the back when you became prime minister....its about time we left the EU
Well, nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, how about voting UKIP?
were full so bog off..
Wake up the once "Great Britain" your government is selling you up the swanny river !!!
I'm sorry their lives in their own country is awful but we can't take anymore, this country is already at breaking point.
Already hundreds near me, such a shame transitional controls were not extended. What was Cameron thinking?
This can not be aloud to happen.
Remember the English people? A soon to be minority in their own towns and citites. Forgotten and not heard. God help us from the traitorous politicans who are destroying this once proud nation. Just what have we done to deserve this? Being despised by the political elite.
Dont bother coming, we're full.
Wrong!!
Theres going to be civil disorder soon and those over educated idiots that we call a government know it.
Our country can not and should not support these immigrants. And benefits should go first and foremost to those who have paid in to the system, and are not in work through no fault of their own (redundancy and ill health / disability). They are cutting benefits for those who need it most, and then we are expected to support immigrants who have no intention of working? Time we had strict immigration rules like Australia!
Bulgaria is pictured like a 3rd world country lol. Do you have any idea how many English moved there, not to mention the holidays in Bansko and Sunny Beach. Stop the propaganda! Bulgarians are not moving to England. England is colonizing Bulgaria. Get your facts straight!
If it does they'll all be going home come the next election when ukip clear the decks
Every word these people say is a reason to get out of the EU and control our borders
I feel sorry for them, but please go somewhere else. There is too much immigration in my part of London. It is not controlled, too many illegals and it's just creating more crime.
Cameron wake up and fast!!! you can't keep taxing to death those that work and continue to pay benefits to our own let alone any country who wants to dump their people onto us. Close the borders,
CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW! We are the joke of the EU! People dont come here for safety etc, they come here because they know they will get it all given to them!
so which party leader is going to be brave enough to say that's it - no more.
A proper nanny state would welcome them with open arms......after all, someone invited them.
Absolute disgrace to let anyone claim a benefit of any kind if they have no intention of working or can't speak a word of english. That loop hole about been self employed by selling one copy of the big issue per week is ridiculous! Someone please sort this mess your making the british want to leave!
Is the government AND Whitehall really that stupid?
I a seriously scared right now!!!! The England I know has gone to the dogs!!
When I tried to get on the Council Housing list I was told it could be years but a foreign person who hasn't even been to the country yet and arrives 6 months later would end up getting a house before me so I had to rely on family and friends until I got myself sorted out. This isn't Great Britain anymore this is the Great British handout to all who don't want to work and get an easy life. Please close the gates now and get out of the EU. I feel sorry for these people but I'm sorry it's not our problem, we are a tiny island with a population of over 60M and on the increase, I'm going to start begging now and that is to BEG to leave the EU please I'm begging you Cameron.
I'm sorry to say but there is no room for hangers on. We need drs nurses highly trained. We don't need any more spongers in the uk there's enough poverty here to solve of sovereign born British people!!
Nothng but parasites.
GRRRRRRRRR WHY IS THIS COUNTRY SUCH A WALKTHROUGH. Im ashamed to be British sometimes.
Dishonest journalism, if you can call it that; trying to conflate all Eastern Europeans with Gypsies and all marginalised people as pickpockets. Yes, we have an immigration problem but inflammatory articles like this only whip up hatred towards innocent, hard working people who have made the UK their home.
Close the borders now, change the law if necessary or we wil end up like the US with imigrants overunning the country, crime will go through the roof and then the Goverment will realise that it has to issue ID cards like the green card, unfortunately it will be too late, far too late, the end!
we need to get out of EU pronto!
EU 'freedom of movement' rules???? NO NO NO! 29 million people Russins and Bulgarians. What about the English people. Let these immigrants move throughout Europe if they want. I am sure France will welcome them ... not. Who is running England, Julia Gillard??? She's the only one screwing up countries that I know of. This will pull England down into the biggest financial bog ever. If these people cannot support themselves financially then they cannot live in the UK and they cannot get benefits.
More crime, more begging and more money coming out of the state. Can't wait. Happy New year everyone!
This sounds rather worrying.
Vote Ukip
How do they find the money for a passport and a plane ticket for a whole family if they are so desperate and penniless ?? Well we don't want them here ... send them to Greece.
I have no printable comments.
We need to get out of Europe now
Time the UK got out of Europe before its to late ..Oh sorry it is to late now what is the benefit bill a week?
happy new year the UK
The end is nigh!
Sick of the Romanians hanging outside of Churches and Mosques in my area begging. We don't pay tax so people can claim benefits without ever having contributed to the economy. My parents were immigrants but I don't expect to get free handouts by just sitting on my behind. Its not racist to say, please close the doors to anyone not wanting to work for a living. No benefits for immigrants.
Just what we need....if the Tories don't do anything about this I'll be voting UKIP in the future.
This has got to be stopped. ,this country cannot support these people , our ountry has already been endangered by the actions of the Blair government ..is there no one who will say that's enough
God help the UK!
We need to get a referendum before this deadline and close our borders or there will be no hope for this country. I really do miss Great Britain.
The solution should be very simple; benefit laws need to change. All over Europe. This would deter so many Eastern Europeans from leaving their own countries. My own country is suffering too. Unemployment is high enough as it is without them coming in and taking jobs. Employers know they can get away with paying them less. Everyone deserves a chance for a better life but enough is enough.
Other countries have negotiated limited access rights, so why didn't the UK? There has been clearly documented evidence that these people increase the crime hence as a matter or national security (under our own control for now) we can refuse entry. In Australia we health care if you are from a treaty gov, but your country of origin pays. Between Aus and UK, that is a fairly equal arrangement. Surely, the EU should have a similar agreement in place?
read the first paragraph i couldnt read anymore.....the uk is doomed.....the british tax payers are being taken for the mugs of the world.....OPEN YOUR EYES MR CAMERON BEFORE ITS TO LATE
if the people of britain stand by and let this useless government allow this to happen,then you want your heads red
This will be the final nail in Britain's coffin. The death of a nation - by suicide.
Good - we need more hardworking immigrants the British chavs are so lazy
So unless the UK intends to be the benefits capital of Europe you have one year to change the laws. I don't get it. Germany requires that you show you have a job, understand the basics of the language and have money to support yourself. Turkey requires you show you have money in the bank to live 6 months and you definitely won't be getting benefits ever. So how is it that one can walk into the UK and immediately sign up for benefits. Even coming to the US someone has to sign that they will provide for you financially as you are not allowed to claim any government benefits for 2--3 years. Well, of course Illegal aliens are exempt from this. Illegal aliens get immediate welfare and healthcare.
This is really really scary. If the worst case scenario turns out to come true this country is going down the pan. Some people will say this is scaremongering but just remember what happened when Poland joined the EU. They said about 10,000 people would come. Total now well over half a million. BTW, i'm married to a woman born in Poland.
How about UK leaves the EU, sets new rules whereby any economic migrant receives zero benefits for 5 years? Then these people can go to Brussels or Strasbourg. Does anyone seriously still believe that the powers that be are not deliberately bankrupting Europe and USA?
29 million new immigrants, good luck choking on that tidal wave.
In one year's time cancel all police leave! Maybe the Prime Minister ill get a new nick name : Crimewave Dave!
CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW!!!
This is so wrong and completely unfair if it is true.
This country is daft as a brush for having an open door policy on EU immigration. Sure there are economic benefits, but there is no policy on population...the resources cannot cope indefinitely. Would you leave your property front door open and allow anyone from the neighbourhood to move in? No, you would want to have control over your front door so that you do not become swamped with undesireables. People should have been let in on a selective points basis like in Australia. We are losing control of the UK's front door - let alone the back door, and the more it goes on, the more I think about jumping ship.
Unless the Government passes measures to prevent immigration on this level then both the welfare state and the NHS will either topple or be eroded to the point of uselessness. So now is the time for Theresa May to earn her crust and find a way of discouraging this and further, it is time that any UK Government put the interests of the UK born electorate first!
Come on in, our doors are always open, no checks, no references, just come in and take all our money, all are welcome. The Mafia gangs are already here, so you may as well join them. No wonder everyone is fed up of the EU and the remote tribe in Planet Westminster!
Well that is the final nail in coffin for Britain perhaps be better if World had ended on 21st December
Just when you think it cannot get any worse...........................................
The Bulgarians and Rumanians work - the Brits, never. Bring 'em all in, I say
Nothing to worry about everyone in the UK will have to right to live and work in Romanian! They are probably worried half a million Brits will go to live there!
Do we not have enough problems with our own criminals and millions of families and pensioners living in poverty. Why are we the only country in the EEC who provides free benefits for those who have never earned them and should not be entitled to them. Although I disagree with some policies we need a ruling government such as BNP for a couple of terms to put an end to the destruction of the UK. The country is reaching a point of no return (or is it already there?)
I am so tired of this. If you are going to reveal a story get it right! The UK is not a signatory of the Schengen Agreement and therefore we do fall into the cross-border agreement that the rest of Europe has agreed to. We do not have to let these people into our country. SO WHY IS THE STORY HERE?????
E.U and the benifits of being a member and politicians who won't have to live amongst them when they arrive
The sooner the uk severs all ties with europe the better
I've just had a thought... maybe Britain isn't flooded after all, it's just sinking under the weight of all the people squashed onto it.
Great
Oh that great news at Christmas isn't it ?
Please David Cameron, act to stop this now.
No more.
When is the UK going to grow a backbone and refuse entry to these people, and to the one's they do, refuse right's to benefits of any kind? Your country is more than a soft touch, and getting worse.
Yeh come to Britain,we might have to build houses on Dartmoor,Lake District and possibly a few other National Parks but so what, Tony and his cronies said you are welcome and there is plenty of money here to support you all.Ye
Can you just imagine our council estates looking like the one in the top picture ?
When will this government sort this crap out, I'm fed up of working 60 hours a week to pay for someone else to have a cosy life with roof over their head and everything paid for! Time to vote UKIP and get us out the EU before it too late, oh wait a minute it already is! Britain is a JOKE!
Just shocking.
If the UK doesn't close its doors, and soon, this is what it will end up like. I lived in the UK for six years - mid nineties - and loved it. Was never unemployed, paid my taxes, NHS and abided by all the laws. I have friends I still keep in contact with. Watching the societal changes over the years has been horrendous. PLEASE CLOSE YOUR DOORS!
Already full pal.
If you read this article, the entire "thrust" of the topic from their perspective is all about what these people can TAKE from the UK state whilst giving nothing back by way of return; even gratitude is not a requirement. Don't we have enough unskilled, illiterate and innumerate people of our own without importing more onto the welfare state bill? I though membership of the EU required all countries to demonstrate certain standards towards their own citizens BEFORE membership was granted? As such, why are we financially responsible for clearing up the failures of these mickey mouse EU member states? GIVE US OUR EU REFERENDUM - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A whole new crime culture to share with us. How lucky we are.
scary!
when are we going to just say no. enough. no more. we are not able to get jobs. let alone them.
We should all move over there in 2 years time? that would give everyone a big surprise? Let's send our chavs to Brussels!!!!!!!
I feel positively sick after reading this. How can we as taxpayers be so powerless against these ridiculous EU rules that will eventually sink our country?
God help us
I believe another example of a biased "journalism" - the percentage of the Bulgarian immigrants to UK would probably be less than a single digit, but they are cited as the biggest threat to the Britains limits ! DM is barking at the wrong treee, I should say...
So these are the type of immigrants Vince Cable and his wife think Britain benefits from.Even the ones that work are on benefits ,the rest either come here solely to claim benefits or profit from crime.If we permit unlimited immigration from Romania and Bulgaria then we may as well give up all hope for this wretched country.As a famous politician ,far wiser than anyone in politics today said when the problem started in the sixties,'We must be mad!
Looking at how they have to live, who could possibly blame them, but there should be a no benefits rule for migrants, until they have contributed positively to the country for several years and have no criminal records. I pity these people, but I will not accept the continued destruction of our way of life to accommodate them.
NO,NO,NO,NO. This must not be allowed to happen. Our country is fit to burst and has changed beyond all recognition over the last 15 years. I cannot go into our local villiage without hearing a polish accent and even our shops have isles dedicated to polish food. Now I have absolutely nothing against people wanting to better themselves but not at the expense of the british tax payer. No benefits for the first 10 years. If they come here they must be able to support themselves and must not be allowed access to housing and benefits.
God help us - Camoron won't, nor will Labour - LibDems are just a joke, anyway!
God help us - Camoron won't, nor will Labour - LibDems are just a joke, anyway!
They're in for a shock . Most of the Poles you used to find on building sites have all gone home due to no work.
OK Cameron, you've got a year to get us out of this, or our towns will look like this one very soon. We have enough scroungers and scum already !
Why so many Eastern Europeans go to Britain? France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal are so much better countries - more beautiful, better food, better architecture, et cetra.
What is happening too our once great country. Why won't we leave the EU
While I sympathise with their want of a better life, Britain is full enough as it is...
No way. please don't let it happen.
It's time we ended the cardiac arrest concept of European integration.The richer better run countries have become poorer,and the poorer,often irresponsibly run countries, have become bankrupt.It will eventually end,but it may be when we are all destitute.
I'm leaving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really fear for this country. It has fast become a rat infested sewer, taking on the problems of the world. I really wish I could vacate the UK myself. Totally had enough.
This cannot be allowed to happen....the uk is a terrible place now, id leave if i can afford it....
Just the latest instalment of the never ending nightmare that is Britain's membership of the EU
Just check out the population of Bulgaria Its only about 7 million . The country is so awful many brits have relocated here.
Come on over it's great here, we're rolling in it ......loads a money! Go online book a house before you travel and save delays on arrival, you know it makes sense.
Britain. Has been betrayed by Blair, brown and Cameron . MPs are not looking after the common British man. The uk needs tight border controls and only people with the correct qualifications. A neighbour of mine did not employ a hgv driver as he thought his licence was fake, as weekend before he had no licence. Dept of Transport excepted the licence what a mockery. No wonder people are being killed every year by these foreigners. Only people who can demonstrate they can obey the rules can come, one strike and you are out. DNA and finger prints taken, tough about your human rights. We need to protect ourselves and this is the only common sense way of doing it.
After the government will say that the country's economy this bad because of Immigrant oversee, which in reality 98% of Immigrant in England are members of the EU.
I'm sorry but the thought of thousands and thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe settling in the UK scares me witless. This country is bursting at the seams, public services are stretched to breaking point, the 'welfare' state is on the point of collapse, the economic outlook is bleak, we're taxed until we bleed - God help all of us who already live here. The fact is that the UK is 'full'. We cannot allow any more immigration like this - no matter what country it originates from. For the first time ever I'm beginning to wish we weren't in the EU. I work like a trojan, pay my taxes, don't claim any benefits and am a law abiding citizen - when will someone stand up for my rights and listen to what I want? Who ever pulls up the drawbridge will be getting my votes from now on - and that's something I never thought I'd say.
Another great gift from the EU. Another load of scrounging foreigners coming to our Country.
We need to close our borders...so so so badly.
OUT of the EU.....NOW - this story chills me to the bone. We have no more room and no more money. We have a government taxing its own people until they bleed so fund these people coming in and not working. It beggars belief and Cameron MUST say NO to Europe over this - 'freedom of movement' laws be damned. What about MY family's right to a humane lifestyle? We can't have it because of the economic nightmare of this country due to people flooding in and demanding benefits we cannot afford to give them.
29 million isn't that the whole country?
Can any politician explain why these people have a wide open door to the UK whereas a highly qualified top-earning person from , for example, the US, is not allowed in? Why????
The problem is, you'll be "given a chance" when you move to the UK in the form of benefits, housing and healthcare...but you'll still rob the hand that feeds you.
Time for a clear up and clear out!
Great i have been thinking of leaving England for a long time but this as just made my mind up for me, not staying here working 18 plus hours a day running my business just to pay Tax to give to them.
Good luck to them and welcome.
No point in even telling us any of this because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. One day I assume even the politicians will decide we are full up, until then they will just keep on coming. I dread to think what this country will be like in 10 years time.
Don't blame them one bit, i'd do the same if I were in their position. It is up to our spineless government to stop them from doing so.
STOP the Benefits for all Europeans unless they have been legal residents working and living in UK for 5years or more. Cameron will sink into anonymity and UK will sink into a hellhole of unbelievable misery and mayhem. It is well on the way now.
I sympathize with them really but surely they realize the more of them that comes here they are in effect going to turn the UK into what they were running from, come on Theresa May, start stopping this before it comes to that.. if Brussels don't like it they can jog on.
Leave now while you can before the UK looks like Romania!
Could it possibly get any worse?
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion!
This must be stopped. If this carries on then there will be an uprising. It will get very messy. The good people of this nation can only take so much before they start fighting back. Ill be voting UKIP in future. Why? Because Labour opened the doors and ConDem havent closed the doors.
I'm sorry but i'm SICK of this!! This country will soon have more foreigners that it does those born and bred in the UK and that angers me.
Your comments:this has to be stopped.it is of course music to the ears of the cheap labour hunters .but will further damage or destroy the lives of many brits. maybe thats why the government want to introduce road tolls ,so they can pay these scroungers benefits . if this goes ahead there will be big trouble .people are already at boiling point this might just be what it takes to blow the lid off. A LIBLABCON VOTE IS A WASTED VOTE.KICK THEM OUT.
Romanians - pardon me , but that Name is beginning to terrify me .
why?
When is the Goverment going to put up a sign saying "Sorry we are full"?
Isn't it a bit disgusting Daily Mail, that by spreading hatred to those and other countries you capitalise on them at the same time? And don't tell me you only criticise immigration policies, majority of readers will hate the very people not policies, of which there's enough proof here, you know full well what you're doing. I hate Daily Mail, and being red arrowed here is a badge of honour to me.
And they will bring their low values and drag the country down even further. They won't come to Spain because you have to earn before you get handouts.
HOW MANY MORE GODDAMN CLUES DO PEOPLE NEED TO GET RID OF CAMERON? OUT OF THE EU FOREVER; UKIP!!!
We`re FULL - we don`t want them or need them. Let Brussels have them.
Well Teresa you have been warned. Do something about it now. We have no more room. No money to pay out in benefits and we can't build more houses - look at the state of our country today with the floods. How on earth do you plan to stop this lot? If you don't UKIP will in 2015 - you have been warned. God help our country.
if these were the conditions you lived in you'd want to leave too!
Ridiculous, if Cameron lets this happen then surly he wont get reelected. The EU will be the downfall for civilization in Europe, just look at what happened when the Romans let the barbarians in.
Britain has to seriously close its doors on asylum seekers and immigrants now enough.is enough.
Your comments: dear daily mail please can you explain how 29 million people are supposed to be coming when the combined population of Romania and Bulgaria is 26 million? Also correct me if I'm wrong but eu migrants cannot claim benefits until they have secured settled status which takes around 5 years!!
Can it get much worse?
this is disgusting ! UKIP is the only party which will not allow this
Feel sorry for them but we are a tiny island and high unemployment and in recession- where's the money going to come frlom to give them free housing and benefits? We have many of our own people jobless and homeless as it is.
Good, the more the merrier.
I'm scared! This country will fear criminality abundantly!
I have no problem with the actual immigrants, my problem is with immigration. Britain is FULL! Let's leave the EU and stop this now.
Another reason to vote UKIP
Time to ban immigrants from claiming all benefits, force them to be fluent in English, and make that rule apply to every family member. Let's see how many flock here then. This country has enough of its own problems without inheriting everyone elses.
OH DEAR !!!! and I am returning back to the UK next year after working abroad for 6 yrs ,what will I get ,I am a born in UK brit so probably nothing for all those years of paying tax and nhs for my pension.Disappointed with the EU rules ,Britain will regret this and probably riots will happen .
What are you doing guys? You need to be as strict as us.
Come on over guys Tony and Gordon have lots of room in THEIR houses for you.
Bobby George, with his sporting talent and determination to succeed, is proof that many migrants wish only to strive hard and provide for their families. >>>>>>>>>>>> It's no proof of any such thing, it's just plain old pseudo Tory generalisation, like ALL people claiming JSA are lazy low lifes or ALL Tory MPs have no human compassion.......... actually that last one probably is true !
Sorry, you aren't welcome here. If you want a better life and are able to support yourself, OK; if not please go elsewhere as you are not welcome in the UK.
Britain is full.
Only 29 million with the right to come to the UK. We have 60 million that have the right to settle in any EU country. Including theirs. And claim benefits because of reciprocal agreements.
and you moan at outside EU immigrants! that was just a trailor, now get ready to watch the full horror movie!!
Nobody wants them here, so just don't let them come. Definitely don't let them claim benefits. Just stave them off for a year, then we can vote UKIP in and end this madness.
There is nothing here for you either. Where will you live? How will you survive on nothing? What good will you be to Britain? What can you offer us?
OMG..please don't let them in Ireland and England don't want them we can't afford them. we can't afford to look after our own at the moment..
oh yea and were is the money coming from when theirs nothing for us grrrrrr
Why Britain? What's the appeal?
And in 2015 you'll be able to recreate all these cheerful snaps in London. I've decided to prepare for the influx with my new horse and cart which handles rather well through the destitute estates.
Im not saying i dont feel for these people ...but in the meantime my 2 teenage sons will be leaving college soon and im absolutely terrified that they wont be able to get a job...
This must be stopped from happening
I have truly never begged anyone in my life for anything but I beg the UK government to please stop this immigration before it gets any worse.
Oh, great...
The EU should be only more rich countries. If poor countries join then it is really unfair. They, obviously, would love to come here but why the hell would we want to live there? It's 3rd world.
I'm so proud I live in a country where people are willing to risk their lives, travelling thousands of miles to be here. While you moan about immigration, think, would you rather live in a deprivation and poverty or would you rather live in a country where social values are upheld and our human rights are promoted.
Not racist,but,we cannot have this.These people are coming here to exploit the benefit system,health service and education.Who was the idiot who has taken us to this point?This country will be TOTALLY destoyed by the third world nations.Can anyone see us rushing to Bulgaria or Romania to take advantage of anything there? I wouldn't even go on holiday there.
and we will just let them in like we always do. nothing new
I hope we can get out of the EU before any of that happens. It will be a nightmare if they all come here and we have to pay for them. It is not acceptable to just let them all in like that.
We dont need even more scum moving to this country. Put a stop to it now.
So millions of Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way, and what will the British Government and British people do ¿ absolutely nothing! People may moan and grumble but the tide of east European lowest of lows will eventually suck the system dry, unless drastic action is taken and taken very quickly the inevitable demise of the indigenous people is inevitable. Blair and co have a lot to answer for. One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what???
!!!!Enough IS enough!!!!! NO MORE!!!!
No no no!
Time to move out of EEC.
News for end if 2013 millions if Britons leave for better life. Who will fund their benefits when the workers leave
Looks like government and its agencies are not up to the task of protecting us and our way of life, when that happens there is ultimately only one answer.
And you told me it was all Labour's fault, but the fact is Maggie signed all the treaties!
are you going to reduce their benefits duncan smith?
Oh great
Yeah come on in, our doors are always open, our money is your money, our NHS is your NHS, our government will look after you before its own people, I could go on forever.
Thank you Mr Blair for signing us up to this. Question is what if anyting can be done to stop it? This is a truly frightening prospect, one that we simply cannot sit back and wait for.
I just cannot believe what I have just read!!! I hope Cameron acts to stop all these people coming to Britain, if not God Help Us All!!
It's sickening. My father and grandfather put their lives on the line to keep out the Germans, now thanks to our treacherous politicians, we've got to 'welcome' this lot - what an obscenity! .
I'm sorry, but....no.....their predicament is appalling, but Britain is not a charity.....we are broke.....beyond broke....and this lot coming over here and flooding our job centres with more claimants is just another reason to leave the EU and close our borders to immigrants. I'm not being cruel, but it's up to the Bulgarian government to sort its own mess out, not palm its people off on other countries to deal with. If this keeps up our population will be over 100m in a few years and we are a tiny island with minimal resources...what's going to happen when the camels back is finally broken? Are we going to get a bailout from Germany??? This isn't right.....Eastern European countries need to get off their own backsides and sort themselves out instead of crying to Britain for aid and welfare benefits.
omg. *weeps at what is happening to England*
I'm leaving the UK, what shambles this country has become. I wondered if I turned up in their country would I get free handouts, health care, education oh and a free house to live in!!
This fills me with fear.
Lost for words....
Wish I could say what I really feel. Shame on Britain if this happens.
The millions who come will end up in England not Wales or Scotland so why say Britain? The European Union is a walking disaster area.
Oh ! can hardly wait
"Plunging his freezing hands into his thin leather jacket, he says despairingly: ¿There is nothing for my gipsy people here. " There's nothing for you in the UK either mate, make the best of what you have, there are enough problems in Britain without you lot!
Correction - those pictured are ALL Gypsies that happen to be Bulgarian /Romanian citizens. Same difference yet a world away from the rest of the country.
Lets make sure we get out of the EU before they join. Millions of pounds will go from our contribution to the EU to support their country whilst thousands come here to claim benefits or take jobs.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with foreigners who want to (im)migrate to Britain, that excel in a certain subject such as Science or Language, to come over here and make a living. It's when stuff like this happens, 29MILLION who will come here and claim a right to live including benefits and NHS?! Outrageous! Vote UKIP!
Don't blame the people for wanting a better life for themselves and for their children. If you have a problem with what's happening, then lobby your MP.
Oh for Gods sake!! What benefit is there for us being in the EU?? Please tell me because the only benefits seem to be for the weaker countries while we suffer! Whats the point of me getting up and going to work everyday to pay ridiculous amount of tax (yes it really has got ridiculous -40%) for it to go to things that I so strongly disagree with. WHEN is someone going to put their foot down an stop this?!
For the love of God some one pull the plug on Cameron now and call an election.
Welcome to Britain.
Stop paying benefits and giving housing away, and they won't come, will they? More free-loaders we don't need.
Lets hope we have the common sense to leave the E.U. before this happens.
Well that's just great.
we dont want or need this lot - wake up Great Britain!!! We were full years ago!!!!!!!
We need to get OUT of the EU asap and close the borders. How on earth is the UK going to be able to keep all these people, give them housing, benefits, schooling and healthcare. Enough is enough. Stay where you are. We are full!
I if I were them I would move here to!
Shut the borders now........or it truly will be the end of the world......or the UK anyway.
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much.
yup, it has been a pretty hard day....what with the clocks going back ont he weekend.....owning an iphone....and also the alarms not updating! my oh my....it is going to be a long winter....
I will feel better when the local kids have gone back to school!
One of the sources of this problem is the ridiculous and outdated notion that we have to change our clocks in order to accommodation some archaic farming requirement or Scottish citizens. We are no longer dominated by farming in this country and it is clear that the Scots despise us, so why should we all suffer? The other source of the problem is that fact that Labour have left us in dire straits, our cost of living has increased dramatically and many of our youth cannot secure employment because they are competing with Eastern Europeans who are willing to work for lower salaries. Still, the one thing with being at rock bottom is that the only way left is up! - Kate, Epsom-ski, 01/11/2010 14:33 What planet are you on Kate??? Just the right time in the afternoon to have a mump and moan or something or other?? Yes i'm Scottish, and no i'm not picking on your because your English. Idiot person. I don't care what your nationality is - i'm consider myself British. Get over yourself.
Over here we turn the clocks back next Sunday and I've been dreading it for a while. Where's the benefit? It's so much nicer to have a hour of daylight at the end of the day and the lights don't have to be switched on so early.
- Kate, Epsom-ski, 1/11/2010 14:33 Your comments on the influx of Eastern Europeans is rather dated and naive, given the fact that they take jobs in low paid jobs that lazy kids won't do. They pay taxes so I have no problem with them, the majority of East
One of the sources of this problem is the ridiculous and outdated notion that we have to change our clocks in order to accommodation some archaic farming requirement or Scottish citizens. We are no longer dominated by farming in this country and it is clear that the Scots despise us, so why should we all suffer? Most people I know would much prefer to have some daylight at the end of their day which can be used for walking the dog or undertaking some leisurely outdoor activities rather than wasting daylight travelling to work/school/college. The other source of the problem is that fact that Labour have left us in dire straits, our cost of living has increased dramatically and many of our youth cannot secure employment because they are competing with Eastern Europeans who are willing to work for lower salaries. Still, the one thing with being at rock bottom is that the only way left is up!
"...That's why a considerable number of Brits choose not to live in that PC multicultural cesspit of a country..." - David, Tenerife, 01/11/2010 10:14 Ex pats are the worst. Tenerife?! Haha, very classy! You're a real culture vulture arnt you?!
There's still time. It ain't over yet.
Well I live in Glasgow and I'm very happy today, I don't feel glum at all!! :-)
Southampton, the least miserable city? Well if I feel this miserable I hate to think how the rest of you feel today! Can I go home yet?
- Dawn, Limassol, 01/11/2010 12:02 I was just about to say the same thing. There's not much you can do to change the seasons, however this nonsense of putting the clocks backwards and forwards is totally bizarre. Two commentators on the radio, including P
I am unhappy. Hate winter darkness, got no money for Xmas and nothing to look forward to. Great.
My comment at 9.01 'No luck', a woman in Yorkshire won the Million on ERNIE. Roll on to-morrow lets see if we (me , the wife and two others) are in luck.
Anybody who supports keeping clocks at GMT+1 all year round is a bonafide idiot. I can't think of a single reason to do it other than to satiate the whims of City workers who probably don't turn up to work until 10am anyway. The idea of it being acceptable and 'safer' to have sunrise in the north at 9.30am is utterly ludicrous.
I'm Happy WooHooo
Which prat comes up with these statements, I certainly did not feel miserable.
Strange, sure I remember reading sometime in January or February that THAT was the most miserable time of the year, with the Christmas credit card bills arriving, the weather terrible and a long way to go to the holidays and summer. Guess everyone is just plain miserable?
Hmmmm. Not everyone woke this a.m. feeling happy little bunnies. I needed to phone Saga about insurance and ended up having to phone not once but twice. The first 'consultant' was so aggressive (with an OAP) yapping down the phone and when asked if she could slow down her speech as I have abnormal hearing, I was told SHE had a headache. I had to ring off I could not stand it any longer. I then phoned in again hoping to get a different consultant, which I did. I was then put through the third degree and treated as if I was cuckoo. When asked a question, never asked before yet they have previously insured me for years, to which I did not know the answer, the conversation became very difficult. As I was unable to answer precisely and hadn't a clue as to what to answer truthfully, I decided not to pursue the matter. THAT didn't go down well either. Result, I rang my current insurers and was dealt with by a happy POLITE bunny. Saga will never get any more business from me.
Hey Neet in the east of England ....... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!
Monday morning, 1st day back at work after last week off, and I woke up with a smile on my face for the 1st time is ages! The reason? A lovely new man in my life. Miserable? Not me!!
Well i woke feeling fine then i read the DM and seen that dr nut is still around venting his spleen against drinkers.air tax as gone up under the guise of green tax.Mr Cameron is claiming victory,and i can,t get a dentist.Its enough to turn anybody to drink
I'm tired of people saying changing the clocks gives us more daylight hours, it does not. It doesn't matter what time the clock is set to, there will still be the same amount of daylight!
Every day is a miserable under this government.
I feel fine this morning - much more fine than the past few weeks of October, when it was so dark in the morning! I do not believe we should advocate British Summer Time all year around - how depressing - would we be the only country doing this??? What is the point of GMT if there would be no more GMT! Anyway, why I'm feeling more upbeat - only 6-7 weeks to go until December 22nd, when it starts getting lighter!!!
Today my body believed I was getting up an hour later. Consequently I am full of energy, and I'm enjoying going to work in daylight. I'm appalled by the campaign to change daylight saving. It's winter - there are fewer daylight hours, so it will be darker in the mornings if you shift the clocks forward permanently. Any lives supposedly 'saved' in the evenings will be cancelled out by the tired drivers leaving their houses in the dark on cold winter mornings - especially as ice and frost are often worse in the early hours.
Spooky, I felt remarkably up beat this morning. Sun is shining, all is well. I have food, heat, a house to live in, a job to go to. People need to 'get back to basics' The further up Maslows Triangle of needs you look, the more unhappy you will be. Be grateful for the basics in life, especially if you are healthy. You are the master of your own destiny, if you sit about moping and moaning you will be miserable. Think happy thoughts, be positive and make the most of your life, this ain't no dress rehearsal!
Actually I would say it's the DM that is making people miserable mostly. :)
"...That's why a considerable number of Brits choose not to live in that PC multicultural cesspit of a country..." - David, Tenerife, 01/11/2010 10:14 ___________ You got it in one, David, you got it in one...
Happy birthday Neet, my birthday too, Meeting mum and dad for lunch, and had drinks with friends over the weekend. Have a load of cards, and if i am lucky a small gift or two. I am worried though, that i am getting older, but not wiser, coz no point otherwise. Plus the sun has come out, and there were no bills in the post amongst the cards. So not a miserable day for me.
I've tried light therapy and it did help my Seasonal Affective Disorder, but can't afford a light box. I agree a lot of us get more depressed as the nights draw in, but in places like the one I live in, it just means that when smackheads and kids are vandalising your property (whether house, garden or car), it is too dark to see them properly and you can't afford the expensive CCTV with night vision to protect your stuff. You just listen out for the inevitable bang and wonder if that is a brick thrown at your front door, your car wing mirror has been kicked or punched off, or a gang of idiots landing on your car roof as they run down the street jumping from car bonnet to car boot and onto the next car. When it is too dark, you can't see them but they know that and know they have more hours of darkness in which to damage your things for a "laugh". It means you&your family are more or less under house-arrest for 14-16 hours a day because it is too dark to risk going out safely.
That's why a considerable number of Brits choose not to live in that PC multicultural cesspit of a country.
What people with SAD need is to use the Kadir-Buxton Tension Sheet, when you know what colour is your Tension colour you can decorate a 'chill out room' in your house and chase the blues away. - Andy Kadir-Buxton, Hatfield Don't red arrow Andy! He's the man who invented Economy 7 (amongst other good things) and knows whereof he speaks on many matters. You would do well to follow his advice. He is my hero.
"Everyday is a miserable day in Britain. - Stuart, Leeds, Britain, 01/11/2010 09:06" That's only true if you take the Mail seriously, with its daily diet of scaremongering, hysteria, exaggeration and lies.
I was happy this morning, when I opened my curtains at 7am and saw it was light outside! Lots of singing to my cats, dancing while I got ready, and now dancing in the office listening to Magic! Life is what you make it peeps!
most miserable day of the year Relative to what? The other 364 sliggtly less miserable days. No such thing as being more miserable you either are, or you are not.
Happy birthday Neet...sweet sixteen, never been kissed before?!!
Everyday is a miserable day in Britain.
It could get better later on to-day (or to-morrow), when they publish the ERNIE results. Nobody has knocked on my door yet to tell me i'm a MILLIONAIRE, it is a bit early yet, but here's hoping.
I'm having a great day,thank you.Being far far away from the UK helps no end.
Lets have a happy day when newspapers don't print any bad news or made up scandals pulling so called stars and footballers to pieces. Just put in the nice things where people are kind to other people and there are thousands of good stories lets hear about them. - geoff, chelmsford, 01/11/2010 08:15 That's the problem Geoff. As far as the media is concerned, bad news is good news. They think that we don't like to hear about the good things in life, then we would have nothing to moan about.
Actually I didn't mind this time of year when I lived in the UK - it was all quite exciting and cosy. It was January that was depressing!
I refuse to be gloomy today - it's my birthday !
I think that the 1st day back at work after New Year is far more miserable than today
Lets have a happy day when newspapers don't print any bad news or made up scandals pulling so called stars and footballers to pieces. Just put in the nice things where people are kind to other people and there are thousands of good stories lets hear about them.
:D lol
No wonder that Vic Reeves has a cheesy grin on his face - If Nancy was on MY arm, I would be grinning like that as well !!! - I wanna be an MP and sort this country out properly !, UK, 1/11/2010 6:53 Yes, it's amazing how she ended up with a dork like him. She's way out of his league.
Snap out of it for Pete's sake! What's wrong with putting the clocks back? On the contrary - now you have daylight before 7am which will help you to GET UP and go to work! This sounds like yet another good excuse for all those public sector employees to take a sickie.........
Stop messing with the clocks and it won't be. It's you body clock that does it. Since I started getting up at a set time winter and summer I've never had the problem. I used to, but just got sick of the messing about. Half of the year your up in time for work, and the rest you can do something till it's time. Simples!
Has Vic Reeves just stepped out of HG Wells' Time Machine?
No wonder that Vic Reeves has a cheesy grin on his face - If Nancy was on MY arm, I would be grinning like that as well !!!
If you send me a very large research grant I will prove that the first day back to work after the Christmas break is the most miserable day of the year...and that's official.
As temperatures plunge? We are going to have the warmest November night for years this week.
"Today is the most miserable day of the year"? What absolute rubbish. Just try being a pensioner in the UK - forced to survive on LESS than £14 PER DAY. EVERY DAY is more miserable than the last one - as I watch fat-cat bankers, foreign-owned energy suppliers and bloated MPs, Lords and Ladies getting richer by the second. The elderly, the vulnerable and the poor count for nothing in the once proud and now bankrupt UK.
Official huh? Let us all request legal draft in black n white to see if it's true for the record then. ..otherwise it's absolute rubbish!
"Today is most miserable day of the year - it's official" The £113m EuroMillions jackpot winner last month would probabily disagree with you. Oh to be in his/her shoes right now...
What people with SAD need is to use the Kadir-Buxton Tension Sheet, when you know what colour is your Tension colour you can decorate a 'chill out room' in your house and chase the blues away.
I AM HAPPY TO REFUTE this headlining statement. My mood is not dictated to, by weather, light, time of year, etc etc. PERHAPS a few more people need to break out of the box into which such negative statements put them.
he should spend many years in gaol
how hard can it be to check these things out what about all the cival servants with nothiing to do could they not be doing these checks
I find that the judge in question is 'considering jail.' Am I missing something here?
why are the photos of the people getting married blurred ?? surely if you print them everyone can all help find them... in the USA when you marry a foreigner and want to apply for papers to allow you to work - the basic laws need you to have to prove your relationship with as many photos, bank accounts, mortgage payments, credit card statements, utility bills in both our names that you have. Further to that you can be interviewed at any time especially during the next 2 years - together with your spouse to check you are married and still together. You must then hold your green card for 5 years before you can become a citizen and give you full rights as an American. I don't see how it is so hard to do that in England.
Well that takes care of all the church roofs. No need for any collections in the short term.(25 years.)
Mark, Dartford UK, 30/7/2010 2:33 The new government was only elected on May 6th this year and by the time Brown was finally dragged out of no10 it was late May. How the hell do you expect anything to change in 2 actual months of government. Wait a year then if nothing starts to change...complain by all means. Don't hold your breath though the Lib Dems have watered down all Tory policy much to my dismay.
Notice that the judge said " considering jail". Considering, Considering........it must be jail and for 5 years minimum.
I hope he gets a full 14 years! This guy needs to be made an example of!
Trawl through the records at the Benefits office and I'm sure they'll come up with most of the names. Blair turned this once great country into a laughing stock. Let's have OUR country back please.
I am certainly not excusing any of these people and I hope they are tracked down and dealt with, but I am afraid a large part of the problem is the UK Border Agency. I know that the UKBA's main job is to interact and evaluate non UK residents as to their suitability for landing in this country. How ever they go about it in such an arrogant and heavy handed manner that immigrants, are frightened of them and are easy prey to fraudsters and illegal schemes to circumvent the rules. They often know in advance that there case is perhaps shaky and they will go to the private companies set up to handle imigration visas. Any time private enterprise gets involved there will be money to be made. We must return the job to the British People in the Immigration department and our overseas legations. Remove all private business from the process. We need this for our security!
God help us. With the Human Rights Act why don't we just bin it and let every man and his dog come to the country because these out of touch, Politicians, Lords and Judges don't get the damage it is doing to the state. RIP Britian.
"God looks after the righteous" Well he wont be looking after this lot then will he!
If the details placed on the documentation by each of those who were 'married' in this scam were false then surely each of them is liable in law to have committed perjury.? They will have signed a legal document in front of the Registrar and must have supplied false documentation and details. This is only one church so how many other Vicars are now looking over their shoulders in the UK. All living at the same address, the mind boggles, bet the electoral roll is a joke, When I went to the Registrar as a white Englishman the Registrar gave me the 'third degree' before the Banns were displayed for 28 days in the precinct for all the world to see. I had to produce my driving licence and passport as though I was a criminal. Sorry, I forgot these characters would have had all such documents which are readily purchased. That is why a system of ID cards was a non starter.
The people who were "married" will get away with it, and get to stay. Yet the Home Office will deny many Canadian and US citizens permission to marry the British people they are in love with if they happen to have met over the internet. It's simply easier for officials to pick on the people who go through proper channels. One set of rules for those who follow the rules, another set for those who don't.
With all the foreign names and faces attending for marriage ceremonies why did it take 4 years to realise that something was amiss? Eight marriages a day and I thought that vicars only worked one day a week!
You would not believe it . These kind of things seem to be a daily occurence.What kind of future lies ahead for those living in the UK?
NO difference than what we have in the ?Houses of parliament in London?. Just shams and could not care less for the laws and the peoples of Britain and England. Get ride of the lot of them as all just want to sell us all out since the Rome and Lima treaty's of 1975.
NO difference than what we have in the ?Houses of parliament in London?. Just shams and could not care less for the laws and the peoples of Britain and England. Get ride of the lot of them as all just want to sell us all out since the Rome and Lima treaty's of 1975.
Vicar carried out 360 sham marriages for illegal African immigrants marrying Eastern Europeans to live in Britain This is one we now know about,but how many more LATENT ACTIVITIES of a similar nature might be going on which have not yet been discovered.
Going by the visa rules, should I marry my Thai lady friend of nearly 3 years, she will only be allowed a 6 month stay in the UK ( I still own my own home in Scotland ) and we would have to reapply for an externsion for her to stay, for up to 2 years, which we may not be granted .So how are these people going to benefit from these artificial marriages, even if they were genuine ? Just because one of them is European. Surely the same rule at least applies, they too must apply for a visa extension ! Well I am a proud British, born and bred man, with family members who died for our country over many generations. Why should the EU's be given priority over me and my 'wife'.? ? ?
Well he must have kept records of these dody weddings. You have got to by law.
Hey guys, it's far from perfect in Australia.The authorities here seem to watch the UK for screw ups and then adopt the same one's for themselves. Routing the system is just as common as in the UK.
Yes there has been a lot wrong with immigration particularly under NuLabour but it has been a hugely enriching influence on the UK at times. I just don't see why we cant solely limit new immigrants to those who can speak the Queens English, sign up to British values and most of all make a positive financial and cultural contribution to UK plc. Talk of caps seems very old fashioned and redolent of the metric driven administration of Gordon Brown
No wonder the population of the country is growing. Make them pay for their own applications. Then demand proof of identification. Where are their birth certificates? Where are their passports? Where is their proof of financial support? There are a large number of basic questions which should be asked before a registrar signs off these shams. Unless the registrar is in on the sham? Corruption is a bye word, here in the Philippines. The UK is catching up rapidly.
You have people selling your country down the drain. Do something about it.
Just jail him and every one involved.
Bet the church roof still leaks
What is the difference in weddings. The one with Banns? The article fails to explain
Paul, NW, UK, 29/7/2010 17:17 If you actually read the article properly you would have seen the following....... Judge Richard Hayward adjourned sentencing to September 6 but warned the three, who all live in St. Leonards, he was considering jail. He told them: 'You have been convicted on very clear evidence of a serious offence.' Hopefully the judge will give them some jail time, however, I don't imagine anyone will be holding their breath. Sadly because no actual victims are involved, judges tend to be lenient.....more fools them!
There is literally no hope for this country when even priests within the Church of England are selling their souls and our country out for the price of a cheap all-inclusive holiday to Cuba. I don't mean to be depressing but if it wasn't as painfully pathetic I'd laugh. The future of England looks as bleak as this years summer. I've witnessed the the most unpopular prime minister in living memory, the import of a few million foreigners on an already overcrowded isle, the infringement of our civil liberties, the development of the UK into the most watched society in the world, the introduction of 'Big Government' and the criminalisation of the British people, an illegal war resulting in thousands of deaths, and the erosion of freedom of speech to be replaced by political correctness - and I'm only flipping 19! This priest business is just the tip of the iceberg, but to be honest sadly nothing surprises anymore in this country.
I hope all are traced and deported.......
And now annul the marriages and put them on fast track for deportation.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world. This has been going on for years and the government keep allowing more and more into the country. What a joke!
so what were the sentences? Not mentioned in the article. - Paul, NW, UK, 29/7/2010 17:17 Paul and the 227 people who green arrowed the comment; how about reading the entire article?!?! Judge Richard Hayward adjourned sentencing to September 6 but warned the three, who all live in St Leonards, he was considering jail.
i read this and i think why do we bother to stay in this country
All weddings are scams to allow couples to enjoy significant material benefits singles can't have. Without tax breaks there would be no weddings. I'm happy to see the institution exposed for what it is and hope there are many more. Get married , fine, have a party fine, spend huge amounts of money, fine, but don't pretend the reason is love. For every one real marriage there are thousands of sham marriages
Presumably all the newly wed couples will be rounded up and deported.
but is it the tip of the iceberg? Yes, and Labour steered HMS UK straight at it
Presumably all the newly wed couples will be rounded up and deported.
A CofE vicar imprisoned!?! don't hold your breath....
My god - how could this happen?
The system is being milked, by immigrants acting on behalf of other immigrants who wriggle around the rules. Simplest answer is to throw out everyone connected with the scam - having first stripped them of any assets they earned from it - and bar them from re-entering.
They earned about £5,400,000 (350x1500) from their scam. Those who gained their marriages and residency have robbed the working man/woman out of potential earnings of 11,208,600,000, based on a working life of 30 years. Median earnings of full-time male employees were £531 per week in April 2009; for women the median was £426. (source The Office for National Statistics). Male Female 532 426 Average weekly earnings 7500 7500 Average x 3990000 3195000 weekly earnings x 207480000 166140000 Year x52 weeks 6224400000 4984200000 Working life of 30 years 11,208,600,000 Total for both sexes 747240 The average of the both sexs per person Now I hope Judge Richard Hayward having adjourned sentencing to September 6 takes the financial costs of their crimes into consideration, when he is considering jail. They have been convicted on very clear evidence of a serious offence. Let us hope the punishment fits the crime.
They are affecting the couples that really do want to get married and be together & not to just use the system to stay in the UK. These idiots are the reason i havnt seen my fiance for 3 months. And its quite easy for men to bring their tai brides over!!!! Makes me angry!!
Paul, NW, UK, What were the sentences? What do you think? This is England we're talking about. He won't go to jail
Sorry but Ido not believe there is an office to deal with any of their scams . To try it they had to have known they could most likely get away with it .
Do gooders are ruining what used to be our lovely country
Jail every last one of them.
He was only trying to help people. We (those of us born in the UK) take what we have for granted, spare a thought for those who have to live their lives in terrible conditions and abject poverty.
Thats disgusting and that man is an absolute disgrace to the church. I hope they throw the book at him
How about 360 years in prison for him and then see who's willing to do sham weddings...
Thats disgusting and that man is an absolute disgrace to the church. I hope they throw the book at him
I hope the sentence will match the ungodly assault against the sacrament of marriage will be long and arduous. So much for worshiping in `spirit and truth`
Make him name them all.
This man is a disgrace.
I hope Reverend Brown is going to be thrown out of the Church of England, for making a total mockery of marriage. Is he going to lose his vicarage home (which I presume he has) and is he going to face charges? I do hope all the records will be followed up and the fakers deported... but I won't hold my breath.
Surely, all those who entered into bogus marriages should not be allowed to stay here! Never mind jailing the priest and the other man. The Eastern Europeans should be jailed and the people they 'married' should be sent home. They have no legal basis for staying here. This country has to be the softes touch for criminals, illegal immigrants and cheats.
God help this country!
Simple solution. Change the immigration laws so that non-EU foreigners do not get the right of UK residency by marrying an EU national, especially a non-British EU National.
Were the dumping ground for anything in this country, illegal immigrants, sham marrages, child trafficking, prostitute trafficking, you name it we have it, and now the church is at it, "so much for the church of England", he has made me feel ashamed of my church, and my country, this must be just about as low as anyone can get, and a church man at that. I feel dirty, and in need of a bath, just how disgusting, can you get.
The immigration industry is a multi-million, if not multi-billiion pound, industry. There are so many people feeding off it that obviously there is little desire to kill the goose who is laying the golden egg. The only way to halt excessive immigration is to target the industry behind it, this case may be a start but it is a drop in the ocean.
What a disgrace!
Surely, as I have thought for a long time, any marriage between two foreign nationals should be checked out several times over the course of five years. If they are found to be still together after five years, consider it a legal marriage. If separated or divorced within five years, then the marriage should be considered bogus and both parties deported (if found). .
Every dodgy marriage conducted in the lst twenty years should be made void and both parties deported
2 Boeing 747s should be enough to take them ALL home then...........
The cost to the tax payer of all this will be tens of millions in benefits. The Great Train Robbers each got 20 to 30 years for nicking 2 million. What do you think these guys will get ?? A slap on the wrist and some counselling.
In the fullness of time, no doubt some appeal court judge will decide that the marriages were legitimate, and that the all the people involved will be allowed to stay in the UK as it would contravene their human rights to do otherwise. Watch this space !!
Marriage is a blessed ritual that has now been corrupted by many. Bring out those hoovers, a major clean up is needed in Registry Office.
He should be defrocked and all who married in this manner should be brought to justice which means sending those who gained entry to stay in the UK back from whence they came.
What hope is there for this country, when I read articles like this I despair, no wonder depression is so prevalent in this country these days.
Made over a Million Quid!! - How much will we get back??
I do not see a change in the direction of the honest hard worker, in this country, that was promised by this Government. Maybe, it is a case that any Government is powerless to actually enforce changes needed, So, what is the point?
This should be the easiest scam for Border Agency staff. Why have they not got a special unit allocated to it?
Can someone please explain how a EU national can marry a Non-EU national in this country therefore allowing the Non-EU national rights to live in this country? Can't the rule be changed so that the Non-EU national only gets access to the EU national's country? So discouraging "sham" marriages.
Don't suppose Cameron and his pal Cable will have the will to do much about this.
Sirs, Is any illegal immigrant EVER deported from the UK? 'Yuman Rites' only ever apply to the immigrant ( legal, or otherwise) and not to the majority population, whichever Govenment is in office!
Nothing more surprises me in this country of ours anymore.
I have lost faith in the Church and the Goverment and gt Britain
What a total mess this Country is in.
What a total mess this Country is in.
I trust that every one of these 360 fake couples will be rounded up and expelled from the UK - and that they will find room on the plane for one more: the Rev Alex Brown!
I'll ask the question again. How does marrying an eastern european qualify an african to live in Britain ?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THOSE MARRIED? 380 IN ONE CHURCH OVER 4 YEARS CAN BE MULTIPLIED ACROOS THE WHOLE OF bRITAIN.
I hope the Vicar and his cohorts get long sentances as should be, and the sham marriage couples rounded up and deported. No human rights included. This country has had enough, If this government doesn't do it, then we the British people will vote in a party that will.
What is going to happen to the sham marrieds ?
Whats a matter with this country how long can we afford this cheating and abuseing of our benefits could we do the same in their countries. We have to many do/goodies.
Maybe god spoke to him - Jason Brahman, London UK, 29/7/2010 Why all the red arrows for this comment? It's called HUMOUR for God's sake!!!
This story will die down and not be mentioned again. It will cost more to round them up and deport them. Plus they will all have children or be "key workers" in the NHS and so be intitled to stay.
Well done to the Border Agency. It's nice to see a government department actually earn its keep for once. Now go after all those sham marriages and eject them from this country. Remember each illegal immigrant ejected is going to save this country a lot of money, so that more than justifies the cost. In times of budgets being tightened this is more like an investment. The more money spent the more it saves. - Paul Harris, Somerset, 29/7/2010 16:24 You are joking? This is a Government Agency who has FAILED to notice these sham marriages by granting a settlement Visa!!! Do you know all the documents you have to submit to get that? These people were granted Visas to live here - is that not ridiculous!!??
I too am glad to be an atheist.
A vicar mis-using the cloth is no different than police mis-using the uniform. Maximum penalty please.
Each and every participant in this fraud are also guilty of Perjury. As they were aided and abetted by the 'Vicar' he should now be defrocked. Perjury is considered a very serious offence by the Church, bore false witness. Further, he has defiled the sanctity of marriage, the Church and God. Those who perpetrated these 'events' should have their 'marriages' annulled and all then deported, that is If the justice system means anything in this feeble and broken land., I think we all owe the UK Border Agency a debt of gratitude for unravelling this series of crimes and wish them well in their quest to help return the Great into G.B., showing we are not quite the soft touch we used to be.
Every dodgy marriage conducted in the lst twenty years should be made void
Will the abuse of our country never end?........
I hope the 'priest' and all the others involved get fined to the fullest extent possible
They should BOTH be jailed for life for High Treason!!!!
Deport them??? Not a hope in hell.
I bet this is the tip of a huge iceberg.
Annul them, they were illegal, and deport the participants in this fraud also charge the Vicar for aiding and abetting in the fraud.
No doubt they will appeal on Human "Rites" grounds!
Are they going to track down the cheats and deal with them to the fullest extent of the law or does that only apply to locals?
I really despair of some of the things that go on in this country. Yet again the system is being milked. Why dont we do what Australia does any smell of an illegal action and they are out. Maybe if lawyers were not so interested in lining their pockets by defending and an example was set by the government, no papers no entry must be here 2 years before being allowed to get married we may see an end to these farces. How dare the government cut services to genuine people when they could save a fortune by stopping this sort of thing.
...so what were the sentences? Not mentioned in the article.
This man is a disgrace
Took them long enough to notice .4 years and 380 marriages instead of 13 makes you wonder what the registrar general does, they should be the 1st to notice and then contact UK Border Agency.
So what happens next will these people be deported back to the country or origin. No they have human rights if they brake the law they lose all rights in my opinion.
if they didn't give real addresses or even names - there is no chance of finding them! One more cock-up - will we ever learn? Bankrupt Britain - morally and financially.
I wonder how many of the 350 couples that got illegally married will be tracked down by immigration and deported... answers on a postcard.. - Sharon W, Parede Portugal, 29/7/2010 15:47 -answers on a microdot more like it.
Great - even men of the cloth are at it! what chance does this country have with so many law breakers Sharon from Portugal - I know the answer to that one = NONE
It is easy to track all those people First, they must know their name, with that simple detail, they can trace their IN. Cancel their IN if they have one, once you dont have an IN number you start to pay taxes with an emergency code, which more than doubles(+ or -) the money you are paying in taxes. Second, cancel the benefits those people are receiving, they are for sure getting some kind. Suddenly, if you are getting instead of £300 a week in salary you get £200 because of taxes and you dont get any benefits, Britain doesnt seem an attractive place to be anymore, unless you are here because of the lovely wheather. It is important to notice that some of those couples may be really got married for love and they must have a chance to prove that. That's no discrimination against anyone, just common sense. Is that anyone still remember what it means?
Now check all his records and deport every single one of them, send him with them.
Why are the people who are acting illegally being protected by not showing us their faces, if we could see who they were we could help the police find them as they will never manage alone.
Tip of the iceburg, this has been going on for years. Whats the bet that they wont be deported, we are too soft and their human rights of course.
You can bet that the sham marriages will not be investigated and they will all be allowed to live happily ever after, drawing benefits.
In the US, if a US citizen marries a non-US citizen, immigration carries out an interview two years after the marriage to make sure the couple are really a couple.
Well done to the Border Agency. It's nice to see a government department actually earn its keep for once. Now go after all those sham marriages and eject them from this country. Remember each illegal immigrant ejected is going to save this country a lot of money, so that more than justifies the cost. In times of budgets being tightened this is more like an investment. The more money spent the more it saves.
These people are destroying the country simply to line their own pockets. The sentences will be derisory no doubt. Five years is not long enough for this 'man of the cloth'. The couples concerned should be deported forthwith. No chance of that either!
Well ' Reverend' be sure your sins have found you out !!!!!!!!!!!!! What a hypocrite!! all done in the name of the Good Book, I am glad to be atheist.
Maybe god spoke to him
Track them down and round them up and deport them right away no questions asked IS THIS BEYOND the wit of the police and government . I think not so crack on with it right away
I guess deporting those in the country illegally due to this would be racist.
Once again the church has shown its self to be involved in falsehoods.
just put him on a cross and don't forget the nails
Disgusted! Deport Buchak and send the vicar with him! Greed is a sin!
No questions, no excuses, no liberal elite pontificating, this pair of idiots used and abused their position and contacts to conduct 'sham' marriages to allow yet more illegal immigrants to remain in UK. Jail for at least 3 years, fined heavily and for every one of the people involved in the sham marriages that Brown conducted to be deported.
This is what the police should have been dealing with years ago instead of the poor defenceless vehicle owners.
i think this is just dreadful, but is it any worse than 13 years of New Labour who let anybody into the country and failed totally to deport illegal immigrants. Now we have the Coalition Government which are just carrying on the same and hiding behind crazy judicial decisions. What is required is a radical change in the law so that we can deport any person back to their country of origin once a case has been proved against them and no more appeals. I won't hold my breath on this one.
You do not expect a vicar to be involved in this type of thing. I hope they throw the book at him.....as long as it is not the bible. Seriously I hope he goes to jail and the Ukrainian guy gets deported. But i bet all those who were "married" will be allowed to stay here because of their "Human Rights". I hope not so please Teresa May make sure they are all kicked out.
A nice little earner for the cleric - if he believed in what he preached then he would never have done this - marriage is supposed to be a holy sacrament. I've met quite a few clergy who are only in it for the status & don't believe in God - or anything else apart from being called 'Reverend' and having high expenses. What's the betting the Bishop will stand up for him?
Deport the lot of them!
and they all lived happily ever after ..... at the taxpayers expense
Bad enough Nulabor doing this for moronic sake, we now have a member of the cloth profiting from it. England is now official dumping ground for wastrels beggars murderers rapists and thieves. No need for more prisons just put a sign at Dover port saying Euroland prison ship.
The real haters of G.B come to light AND WE ARE NOT SURPRISED..Of course they are all here for our fine weather and to work hard .JAIL THEM .
Now find all these people he has married,annul and deport. It would be interesting to see how many are still married or have gone their separate ways as planned? Possibly to go on and marry someone else.
I wonder how many of the 350 couples that got illegally married will be tracked down by immigration and deported... answers on a postcard..
Mr. Brown (who is not worthy to be addressed as 'referend') is not the first cleric who confused whatever vocation he thought he had with that of a social worker -and a bent one at that. It is hoped he will be defrocked, but it is depressingly unlikely. Sadly in the CofE today almost every peccadillo - most especially one like that indulged in by Mr. Brown - is tolerated or forgiven in the name of 'Christian Charity'. Edmund Briffa de Saint Vincent
If these marriages are found to be "Sham" does that make them null and void and he people involved liable to deportation ?
Only the British National Party would have the political will to address these particular immigrants laughing in the face of british law. These people have nothing but contempt for us and our country.
Why don;t the police impound the car until the owner can prove he has been to his homeland. The police here impound your car if no insurance is current. Let the onus be on the foreign driver . Simples. A few years ago a Russian who lived in the UK bought a car, registered it in another name and stole my tax disc's to make his car look like it was legal. When stopped, he stated it was a friends car, he was covered to drive it under his own insurance.(another vehicle) It was the so called friend who was liable not the Russian. By the way he was doing illegal booze and tobacco runs from Dover to Liverpool. The police could do nothing, but I informed customs of the vehicle registration and he was caught next time and the vehicle crushed. Why did the police not inform customs, lack of commom sense springs to find or just can't be asked.
Are the cars also registered and road taxed in Romania too? All vehicles using British roads should have to pay a proportion of OUR road tax at the port of entry, based on their lemgth of stay. But getting out of the EU would be a far better bet, then English rules could apply.
So much easier to ignore the problem and just rob the tax paying law abiding hard working people of this country who pay their insurance premiums. And the pure hypocrisy of the police who delight in prosecuting for a trivial technical offence those who being legal are easy meat.
So they DO have insurance! If you are involved in a collision with one of these, they are covered for third party liability! I'm a very experienced traffic cop; this is a non-story! And I've seized countless foreign registered cars that aren't insured too. Eddie M of Stockton on Tees, stop police bashing and generalising!! - Sick of Police Bashing, UK, 28/2/2011 7:08 You might be a very experienced traffic cop but you are also too stupid to read the report properly. These East Europeans are not going back to their own countries within the six months required just popping over the channel to get a boarding pass to fool the cops (and that sounds easy enough to do if they are all like you).
The more I read about the chaos these immigrants bring to Great Britain the more I want to wage a one woman campaign to get rid of the lot of them. If this was a 'true' British driver pulling a scam like this the police would treat it as a serious offence I'm quite sure of it! When is this madness going to end and who is going to help the British people put a stop to these people invading our wonderful Country?
Nothing funny about a "joke" that allows vermin to drive uninsured.
How on earth, we gonna deal with these lots, should any accidents happen???...if their insurance paper works happen to be in different language we can't understand!!..and also different rules from UK insurance???....Who will be responsible to this???
"- Stephanie, West Sussex, 28/2/2011 09:38" Grow up. PS its rude to shout...
Now we know why our insurance premiums continue to rise. A lot of cars with foreign registration plates are also avoiding the MOT, which would prevent unroadworthy cars from being on our roads.
Is it the job of the police to enforce the law, or not?
Don't forget they probably have no MOT either - bob holmes, axbridge, 28/2/2011 7:32 Add a valid driving licence and VED, whoops, I mean ROAD TAX to the tally!
You only have to see the profit that insurance companies make to reolise we are being over charged for insurance. If insurance was cheap everyone would pay. - AngusC, Oxford, 28/2/2011 09:51 ≡ Actually, Angus, they wouldn't. There would still be a percentage of people who wouldn't get insurance because they would not consider the risks they pose when they go on the roads. Negligible risk is still a risk. That said, I can't see any car being driven without petrol / diesel / lpg. So if they put 10 or 20p on a litre for the insurance {compulsory 3rd party}, then no-one would avoid paying it. (I know that electric cars get plugged into the mains but for the meantime, this is extremely expensive technology which chav won't likely have....)
send the lot and their sponsors ( Tony, Gordon and the Labor pack )back where they came from.
This is a mockery I pay an awful lot of money each year to insure my car and yet these guys can seemingly get round the law without any problem and drive uninsured cars on our roads with impunity. When you are unfortunate to have an accident with one of these guys they trundle off leaving you to pick up the bill and even make scam claims aginst you from their own country. Solution all vehicles travelling on our roads should have UK insurance I am sure bona fide continental insurance companies would be able to provide valid UK cover with UK insurance companies for their insured otherwise sieze and crush the cars.
Just add this to cash'4'crash, driving test fraud and a whole host of other motoring offences that we have been enriched with by immigrants. The cost of insurance (paid for by mugs like you and mean) is never factored in when the 'benefits' of immigration are touted to us.
invaders on the fiddle? surely not. what a surprise.
the united states works europe dosnt,you dont have one state or one law just a load of countries thrown together in a shoddy deal and when you have freedom of movement without laws to cover such as this what you expect,youll always be a loser in europe as long as your in there.
Anyone living and working in this country must abide by this countries rules and laws, if these eastern Europeans cannot abide by our laws then they should be deported, and stuff the EU, every other EU country deports their foreign criminals!
If you live in this country, you should pay insurance in this country. Make it illegal to drive without British insurance. Or make it that you have to insure in this country after a month. Cut it down. I cannot see them going abroad every month can you. No wonder the rest of us pay such high premiums.
The EU is the joke, a joke on us paying 43 million a day to get screwed, and their answer, more europe, where the real answer is a return to independence and no more freedom of movement for every Tom Dick and crooked Harry. Will it happen, no never, as a sucession of British politician didn't pay for much out of their own money when they were giving it all away on our behalf.
Number plate recognition cameras could be the answer.. Photo car as they arrive and leave. This is a very simple and inexpensive system, even supermarkets use it to stop long stay parking. It would make it possible to stop vehicles leaving the UK if they have committed any offence including speeding, parking as well. - smudgee, overlooking fields, 28/2/2011 09:57 ============= Good idea - and these ALREADY exist on every main road in Britain and at every port and tunnel. Its just that the police are not using joined up intelligence. They've always gone the bureaucratic route not the technological route.
Do you sometimes wonder what the hell do we bother to be honest in this Country.
These foreigners certainly know how to scam our Country.
If they're legally insured, then it's not a scam. They're simply shopping around for the cheapest policy. Don't you do that when you buy insurance?
Have they taken a driving test in this country?
Why is this one of the few countries that doesn't require cars to show a country identifier? Because the Daily Mail fought the proposed law and got it overturned!
You are not required to insure a car in New Zealand,hence,if you do,the policies are cheap.Only because the UK requires insurance the public get ripped off again.Dont listen to the insurance company spin,that they dont make any money insuring cars,why would they be running 24/7 adverts to drum up business,and what paid for the founder of Direct Lines 18million Pound pay off.We aint all niave!
Call in an expert and ask him/her how to block this and any other legal loopholes, draft the legislation,get it passed by Parliament and enacted as law. By the way, most adults from eastern Europe remember living in corrupt dictatorships where you survived if you sqeezed the maximum out of the system legally or not. And the only valid rule was "Don´t get caught" Asking them to change their mentality is not an answer, sanctions are.
HOW ABOUT THE POLICE TAKE THE CARS OFF THE ROAD! And make the driver PROVE they have valid insurance to drive in the UK. Just like they do on the TV show Road Wars to drivers from this country. Or do our road laws just apply to part of the community, the EASY TARGETS.
Why not just pass a law that say's you have to insure a vehicle in the UK if you are here more than 28 days in any one year. If they haven't got insurance seize the car and crush it.
This article is misleading. The drivers are insured, but in their countries of origin. The restriction in this country is that if you are here for more than six months, you must register the vehicle here and therefore pay road tax and insurance here. By going abroad every six months, they avoid having to register their vehicles with the DVLA. The police do not like this because they have no way to check if the car is insured when they stop it.
I don't get it. If they are making these day trips to France (presumably as foot passengers) to maintain foreign status, then surely they are still technically insured? The article talks about the problem of uninsured drivers, so how are these two groups linked exactly?
Easy solution. On entry to the UK every foreign registered car is given a window sticker, a different colour for each month which must be displayed. If you are only here for a few weeks for a holiday that's fine, you go home and peel off your sticker. After 6 weeks it becomes compulsory for a car to have UK insurance. If you are then caught still driving around with an out of date sticker, or in a foreign registered car with no sticker and you don't have insurance/MOT your car is removed from you and scrapped.
Don't you love our multicultural country? Foreigners get all the advantages of living here and the indigenous population get all the disadvantages!!! Thank you Liebour!!!
To - stephen, belfast, 28/2/2011 7:18 "locals dont stand a chance , i have had my van advertised for sale for 2 weeks now as i can not find work ,in a 2 week period the only people to phone about it are eastern europeans and they dont want it to drive here they want it to do some sort of scam by taking it home ." I didn't know selling cars for spares in Eastern Europe is a scam? Or using the vans for sending and receiving parcels or traditional produce. Only back in communism free trade and private businesses were being considered dodgy. Was it Belfast or Pyongyang?
One only has to look at the debacle over Libya, to realise the quality of our politicians of all three parties, are of a sub standard, whether or not this will improve I would not like to guess but if it does not improve, the inequality of this non insurance of drivers, like so many other issues, will cause resentment.
So they get away with murder because they are not British citizens? If one of us did this then we would be in court very quickly. Now does that accord with equal whatever? the usual rip off us, not them............
Basically, I think that anyone who is living in Britain and has a residence or job here should be required to pay some sort of insurance levy, and that car insurers should introduce monthly or even 6 monthly policies and that to drive on our roads you MUST have this.
The man is right, the cost of insurance in this country is scandalous. THAT is the problem which should be tackled.
I don't see the problem. I personally own Swedish registered car, and twice a year, the car leaves the UK shores. The reasons? It saves on Road TAX/Excise Duty and Insurance, and means ANYONE (with a drivers licence) can drive my car, as insurance rules in Sweden is the vehicle is insured not the driver, and It isn't a scam, as it is perfectly legal to do. So long as the vehicle is road worthy and fully licensed and insured in the country where the vehicle is registered. I believe it is called a loop hole. I save slightly over £850 per year, and that includes the two return journeys too. Not a great deal but £850 is better off in my pocket than the chancellor of the exchequers. Plus the cars are cheaper too. So as you see, it is not just Migrants who are doing this, I am 100% English, born in the country, both parents British and grandparents British, there is a “club” nothing secret about it either, full of Brits who have EU registered vehicles to save money.
My friend's 25 year old daughter was killed by a Polish woman, who went the wrong way around a roundabout. The driver had no English car licence and no English insurance. These drivers are unpunishable, points on their licence are totally ineffective and their are no repercussions on their insurance. My friend suffers everyday at her loss whilst the government continues to allow this farce/loophole to continue.
The onus should be on the foreign driver to prove he has valid insurance. It is when you get stopped and you are white and English! Sort it out, surely it can't be that difficult.
A simple solution already mentioned here is for the vehicle to be impounded if there is no evidence of a current insurance policy. Surely with any country in the EU there should be a balance of tariffs for insurance companies. Otherwise what is the point of a European trading block if one or more members have corrupted systems? The big picture in all these events involving new members of the EU is the sheer amount of theft, corruption and trade imbalance which defies the original reason for the EU. These issues again prove that Britain has been ripped-off by joining this EU block and the evidence of a trade balance with other members is never witnessed and so can only be a lie by the Government - the negatives outweight the positives..
Whenever the DM runs a story on Eastern Europeans it seems to involve a scam or some other crime. These people should have to buy UK insurance on arrival to the UK, or have their car seized for having no valid insurance.The EU allows one member state to charge another for road use. French motorways for instance. So come on Dave, there are 1000s of them here and you are missing out on the VAT on their insurance policies.
DO SOMETHING!
In this electronic age it should not be "difficult, time-consuming and expensive" to check up on drivers insurance at all, no matter where in the EU it is registered. It is probably more of a case that insurers in the UK find it easier to soak the UK purchaser than invest in efficient computer systems to check on foreign drivers.
What a surprise joe public is being taken for a soft touch again !,and politicans can't see why there exisist's such dismay at the E.E.C. - john , redditch england, 28/2/2011 09:26 I,m afraid i,m scam proof now, like water of a ducks back, please give me a break from being told how we in england are ripped of by the world and its family.
‘We know what they’re up to but the choice is either spending hours or days sometimes building a case against them or using the time to deal with more serious offences.’ so what is more serious than an uninsured driver knocking down and killing someone when uninsured. The police only seem to be interested in pursuing easy targets, law abiding people who are easily identified because they follow the rules.
stop the scam now , you useless government of ours ..../ what the hell are you doing all day , get off your fat backsides & put this country in order ..................
And people wonder why we are hacked off with immigrants from whatever country they come from!!! They always have an answer and a get out clause. My daughter struggles to get car insurance because she is 17, manages to pay for it as she is working, has an accident with these immigrants and low and behold they are not technically insured!! I abide by the law and for what.....to get ripped off! Time us Brits made a stand because before long we are going to be a minority, if we are not already.
It's really very simple: we need to insist that any vehicle which will be in this country for more than a month will be re-registered here, and devise a temporary registration system that can be undone easily if and when the car is taken back out of the country. This would also allow a road tax to be charged as well. It's all very well to say that these people's policies cost less than ours and to try to justify themselves that way, but do they expect to eat and drink more cheaply than us, or pay less rent, just because they are from another country? In particular, the fact that these people can't prove that they have insurance specifically for our country means that they should be prevented from driving on our roads. If I wanted to take my car abroad, I'd have to do certain things to comply with the local laws. Why shouldn't Eastern Europeans be obliged to comply with our laws, and , in this case, buy an insurance policy as the car is brought into the country?
You do have to admit that car insurance in this country is a staggering rip-off. If insurance companies over here didn't charge such hugely inflated premiums we wouldn't have so many uninsured drivers, foreign or British.
The EU is a joke. Give us our referendum, and we will sort out issues such as this.
surely this could process could be privatised, the car could be detained until insurance is proved, a daily storage charge could be levied, if there is no valid insurance the car could become the 'bounty' of the private enforcement company, foreign drivers would soon learn to carry the proper documents,or make it quick and easy to confirm the car was in order,,,,
I love how we have to pay MOT and taxes and insurance but these people from other countries do not and yet drive our roads. They need to make a scheme if a car is in this country for more than 3months it MUST have a British MOT. Stop making us pay ALL the taxes! IF they want to live here then they should follow our rules.
if they drive on our roads they should have to be insured here as what chance would you have to claim if they caused an accident if they are caught crush their car as a deterrent simples
Let's all register & insure our cars in Romania . . . and save a fortune! Park, pay & ride will be a thing of the past!
When i tried to report an unisured vehicle after an 'incident' the police told me i couldn' prove the foreign car had no insurance and that I was a racist. The fact is, and if you take your vehicle abroad you have to pay for insurance for a the specified time. if the car is out of the country for 90 day you need to a have a policy (and registered in the country it was exported to) the police *have* been ignoring this problem.
Surely the Border Agency has complete records of all car movements in and out? Surely plod can just make one phone call to check car movements?
It's not only immigrants that use this scam! An Uncles neighbours who has never worked a day in his miserable life, does exactly the same!
i have been a victim of this twice already, both uninsured drivers, one driver got fined £20 for driving without insurance and without a license, the other driver disappeared back to Poland, another one of the benefits of EU membership, i think not!, incidentally my insurance has increased by £200 this year, because of "rising insurance costs"
The thing is, it works in reverse as well. When Brits travel to Europe our insurance is also valid there without the need to take out French / German etc policies. That's the EU for you.
Number plate recognition cameras could be the answer.. Photo car as they arrive and leave. This is a very simple and inexpensive system, even supermarkets use it to stop long stay parking. It would make it possible to stop vehicles leaving the UK if they have committed any offence including speeding, parking as well.
This article exposes the scandalous cost of insurancing a car, which is of course a tax in the same way the TV licence is a tax. These Eastern European,s are merely voting with their feet. I wonder if it would work for UK citizens, and if so, how many of us would do it?
You only have to see the profit that insurance companies make to reolise we are being over charged for insurance. If insurance was cheap everyone would pay.
more like the policeman who didnt want to be named said "we can either spends days building up a case against them or just go out and fine a load of british people and make some real money for the government to blow on champagne lunches,,insurance companies and a bunch of crooks anyway
And of course, immigration and multiculturalism have been SO good for this country. Now we pay over and over for uninsured drivers who shouldn't be here in the first place. Great. WHEN IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO ADDRESS THE BLATANT INJUSTICE OF MAKING THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION PAY FOR FOREIGN CROOKS?
SO what is being DONE about it.As Usual Plenty of WAFFLE but very little ACTION ! ! !.
Simple, stop accepting the tickets as proof of anything. The scam is known about and it is up to the government to insist that anyone driving a car in this country has UK insurance irrespective of how long they are here. And while they are at it, they can inform them that failure to do so will result in the car being crushed and the owner deported along with any family and other hangers-on.
Find many of these comments to be quite harsh to be honest. There are many law-abiding, honest and decent immigrants from Eastern Europe. This isn't a scam, it's a little loophole, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. My (Eastern European) husband and I did something similar when living in Belgium. Our insurance covered us throughout Europe, and as we were only going to be in Belgium for about 18 months it seemed unecessary to go through the hassle and expense of re-registering the car, only to have to do it again when we went back home... so not seeing what the problem is and who it hurts?
What a surprise joe public is being taken for a soft touch again !,and politicans can't see why there exisist's such dismay at the E.E.C.
Of course they have legal insurance. The car is taxed and insured in its country of registration, which is the EU country in question, such as Romania in your example. That insurance will actually pay up (third party only) if the driver is involved in an accident, anywhere in the EU, including the UK. It's basic EU law. Provided that the conditions of the insurance are kept to (leaving the UK once every six months, apparently), it's perfectly legal.
Easy ... change the rule . Make it compulsory for any car driven on our roads to have a valid British insurance certificate. Or is that to simple ?
I was hit by an uninsured driver in 1987. He gave false details at the scene and drove off. Fortunately someone got his number and he was tracked down six months later. I was insured third party, fire and theft as was the norm way back then. I had a five year car loan. The driver went to court, got a two year ban to run concurrently and was fined 500 quid. I got nothing and was still paying for a car I never had four years later. The cost to myself was huge. I was off work for months due to injuries and then had to use buses. I wasn't able to drive again until 1992 when the loan was finally paid and I could afford another car. My son who is 18 has to pay over 2.5k for his insurance fully comp - it makes me mad. If anyone uninsured was to hit one of my family now I would hunt them down and sue them for every dam penny that they had - and them some!
He's right about one thing: insurance is too expensive here. Can you believe my insurance went UP by 36% this year? No accident, no claims, no change of address. THIRTY SIX PERCENT. That's HAVING A LAUGH.
Well at least they are paying lip service to the law. There are thousands upon thousands of immigrants and others who do not have insurance and have no intention of getting it or road tax. If they are caught they get a fine, which they ignore. The non payment is not followed up and enforcement of the law becomes a farce.
EU needs to bring in a standard EU driving test. We also need European-wide insurance policies. If you don't have the Euro-wide insurance you have your car impounded and taken off the roads. This should be a simple database lookup. And for visitors from outside the EU they will have to hire a car or pay for the EU insurance. It isn't rocket science is it? The trouble is where we do need the EU to act they don't. Also all lorries entering the country should pay a road tax. If their trip is one week in the UK they should pay 1/52 of the UK road tax. Why should they drive on our roads and expect someone else to pay the wear and tear. That also makes it a level playing field for our drivers.
Why do we bother?
The French police 'police' british registered cars very actively. When we lived there for four years the local gendamarie would visit the home of British home owners and advise us of the regulations, needless to say there are few still on UK plates. The scam doesn't stop at insurance driving licences are also availalbe for around two hundred pounds - not questions asked!
Romanian Alex Dettmar has a point! Why do I pay £500 for third party insurance on a 15 year old car? How many millions is the UK insurance industry losing because foreign drivers have no incentive to purchase UK insurance because of the cost?
God knows how many Brits do the same thing with cars on UK plates in Spain! I'm totally legal here, registered for tax, spanish registered car, private health insurance the lot but many are not.
This scam can be stopped when they produce a boarding card do not accept it ask to see the ticket or check the details of the boarding card with the company that issued it., when we travel from france to England we have to produce our ticket prior to being issued with a boarding card at the point of departure. And we are advised to keep the ticket as it also shows details of the return leg. bill p
If you bring your car here to Cyprus you have one month to register it for Cypriot plates, otherwise it gets confiscated, then they make you jump through hoops, you wouldn't get away with anything here, it can't be that hard can it? Other countries manage to stop the scams.
Fair play to them. If I could escape the evil grip of rip off insurance companies I would do the same. If insurance companies had fair prices, less people would be driving uninsured, using tricks to avoid the current stupidly high premiums and more people would be able to afford to drive which would mean more money for the insurance companies. Insurance companies should realise that a lot of something small is worth more than a little of something big!
Simple solution - require foreign drivers to show that they have UK insurance cover on entering the country The car details should be registered and a repeat entry within six months should bring close attentio nto the vehicle which should be checked mechanically and the driver's documentation given very close attention Any vehuicles subject to an insurance claim ornoted as being involved in a mtoring offence should be impounded We should stop being an easy target for European and other immigrants and should move towards a much stricter regime designed to deter most migrants
When I lived in the Netherlands, the authoriies rang me at work on the Monday after I arrived and wnted to see the vehicle and the paperwork. After 6 months I had to get Dutch insurance, tax and MOT equivalent. No if, no buts
Its not just in Britain,the British and other foreigners have done it for years in Greece.
When are we going to get out of the b****y e.u.and stop all this nonsense and send these scamming so and so's back home! Its not only this type of scam but everything else they do to cheat our system and milk it for all its worth. The fees for being in the e.u. Alone would pay off our debt and prevent all these drastic measures to 'save' money here! Plus we could go back to our own laws which have served us well for many years.
Actually under the EU shouldn't we be able to buy insurance from anywhere in the EU? Much like the woman who has got Greek or spanish Sky in her Pub now? If we are in the EU we should get the benefits as well as the crud!!!
Always a Romanian for the interview. When I was last in London 2 weeks ago I saw a heck of lot more Polish registered cars than Romanian.
locals dont stand a chance , i have had my van advertised for sale for 2 weeks now as i can not find work ,in a 2 week period the only people to phone about it are eastern europeans and they dont want it to drive here they want it to do some sort of scam by taking it home . - stephen, belfast, 28/2/2011 07:18 I am sure the callers don't tell you over the phone they want the van for a scam! I am an expat living in Romania and one of the big scams is when they bring UK registered cars here and do the same thing as they do in UK taking it out of the country every 6 months and claim it is insured in the UK.
Why cant the insurers and the tax office work in conjuction with each other and issue one windscreen disc to be renewed at the same time , this could easliy be seen and those found not to have it should have their vehicles ceased and crushed or sold .
The insurance prices in the UK are sky high partly due to greedy insurance companies, but also partly due to uninsured drivers like Alex Dettmar! Anyone living in a foreign country for more than a month should have to insure their car in that country! I am so sick of these EU citizens scamming us. How many more reasons do we need to get the UK out of the bloody EU???!!
Surely it can't be that difficult to require drivers of foreign vehicles to produce their actual insurance certificate, just as we British have to. A boarding pass cannot possibly be held to be proof of insurance. I'm sure the majority of continental lorries we see daily on our roads are properly insured and carry adequate paperwork to prove it.
It's been happening for at least 20 years but don't expect any action from Shameron and Mini me as it would involve doing something for the benefit of this country instead of thier beloved EUSSR
Thanks for the Idea!
We are all paying extra on our car insurance premiums for these foreign con artists, as every time they have a crash they are not insured to pay for the damage. Another rip off from Europe for UK taxpayers. Our government will sit idly by as usual allowing it's own citizens to be ripped off.
Well move 3rd party insurance onto petrol. Those wanting comp insurance can arrange that with an insurance company. Simples.
Another truimph for belonging to the EU.If we belonged only to a free trade area,with no free movement of people this would not be occuring.Another betrayal of the British people by politicians.Refuse to complete your census form,you know it makes sense and it is your only form of protest.
Why has it taken so long for this to come to light? A neighbour of mine has been driving a Polish registered car here for well over 12 months. I phoned the DVLA to ask them what the law was regarding foreign cars, only to be told that the government had cut the funding to the department that records foreign registered vehicles. They DON'T HAVE A CLUE as to how many are on our roads, who owns them, if they're insured or if they're MOT'd. They cartainly aren't taxed. I was told to write to my MP if I was unhappy about it!!! ---- I then called the Police to ask how they dealt with it and, basically, they pretty much IGNORE foreign registered cars. The officer I spoke to actually DIDN'T KNOW what the law was with regard to them. ----- If you're involved in an accident with one, BEWARE. The Police and DVLA will be on no use to you whatsoever.
Change the law then so they must register, tax, mot and insure the car here before using it on our roads.
It's what any Brit would do if they could. - Hank Hank, Hankshire, 28/2/2011 6:0 They do - just go to the coast of Spain to see how many UK registered cars are there by people who live there.
Why are Eastern European insurance costs lower? Cars are repaired, people are not and don't rip off the system. No one gets free hire car time and all greedy goodies are not available! Get real, get rid of greed and if you want to pay for luxury and can't, get rid of your car and walk.
So the police shrug their shoulders and say "it's too much like hard work and they can't be bothered." They should sack every single one with that attitude. It is not a "running joke" for the person killed or injured by an uninsured driver.
If Insurance premiums were not so high due to people making spurious claims then this sort of thing wouldn't happen. Again the local people being ripped off. My Insurance premium rose by £130.00 this year I'd had no accidents or claims but it was still the cheapest around, because the law says you've GOT to have it then they can charge what they like. Maybe we should adopt a similar method as to what other countries do whereby the car is insured and NOT the person. I have had over 35yrs of accident free motoring but am still getting punished
Many Brit plated vehicles here,untaxed and no M.O.T.even though the owners are resident in France.I knew one bloke who got away with it for 10 years.
And not paying road fund licence as well ? This country is populated by complete idiots, we sit back and let it happen. Day after day, we read articles that tell us about this rip-off, that scam, benefits being handed out like sweets without adequate checks, it goes on and on, and we can do nothing about it. Is it any wonder the country is almost bankrupt. 13 years of Labour mismanagement and nothing has changed What hope is there for the future. Not a lot, I fear.
My car ins. would have cost 1700e in Ireland. I left for a life sabbatical around mainland Europe (based out of Tallinn), now insured in Tallinn fully comp for 560e with a multinational. Car tax in IRL was 940e, car tax now = 0. For baltic insurance, pay a little more to get a good insurer, you don't have *any* time restrictions on EU boarder travelling. UK & IRL your insurance can be invalidated if X days out of the country. Having no insurance can be different to the 6 month rule for UK residents registering foreign cars. I.e. if I went back to UK, I have the full year's baltic insurance, but I must register the car as UK as soon as I become a resident, or stay 6 in 12 months. Thus the 6 month Calais trip is to try & avoid the registration, but if you have a good insurance policy from the baltics, you always have insurance. Do all have (a, or) good policies? Nope, & 70e can do it for a peanut policy.
In France if you are a resident you are given 80 days to re-register your car. I know of many Brits that drive around on UK plates with no UK tax, insurance or MOT, they brag that the French police don't want to know, well they are wrong..they will prosecute and I for one would tell the Police if I saw one, you may think that it is being a sneak and a turncoat, well you are wrong, it is just my luck that one of those clowns runs into me...uninsured.
:Insurance policies issued in any EU state are by EU law required to apply throughout Europe. When this law came in British Insurers stopped providing third party only insurance by the device of artificially infalting the prices compared with comprehensive. There is supposed to exist in Europe free movement of goods and services and I believe it should apply to insurance policies too, as no doubt does Europe. The eastern Europeans and Brits should be complaining to the EU about this harrassment by our police on behalf of our rogue insurance industry - yes ROGUE UK Insurance Industry. If they were forced by our government to provide a competitive market in third party insurance as they are required by law to do very few people would object or have a reason to not have insurance.
The easy answer would be to make it compulsory for foreign registered vehicles to display an insurance disc on the screen just as we have to display a tax , sorry road fund licence on the screen. Come to that British registered cars should as well.
OLD BILL to old and we get the bill why chase outsiders when they can take there pick of any motorist on the odd hour they nip out of the nick to tick the boxes i.e. nick a motorist or a pensioner litter lout then nip back in the nick for a day of paperwork.
The expat brits could do the same thing in Europe if the insurance was cheaper here in the UK - so what if you can avoid greedy insurance companies
so, why can't we use these foreign insurance companies then? Why aren't they quoting us happy? Is there some law that means only British registered insurance companies can give us cover? I was under the impression this would be one of the benefits of membership, that there would be a common and transparent market... but yet again, we in Britain are being fleeced
Make them show the outward bound boarding card as well. I doubt if anyone could drive to and back from an Eastern European country in a few hours.
There is a foreign car owned by people where I live, that has been around here for years because the owner lives here. It was last taxed in Greece in 1996 (sticky ticket on window) but has not been taxed here. It is still on foreign plates and the rear plate is unreadable unless you stand next to it. Do the police want to know when we inform them? No. Does the council want to know when it is parked on council land? No (although when it didn't move for a month they put a notice on it but the owner reflated the tyres and moved it before they towed it). It's not that they can't afford it because his wife drives a beautiful new car.
Impound the car until the insurance cover is proved to be in place.
The solution is to force foreign drivers to exchange their cover notes for one from a recognised British insuance company. It would be more cost effective for them to establish links with foreign insurers rather than the Police investigating it
Don't forget they probably have no MOT either
"Romanian immigrant Alex Dettmar: 'I'm shocked by the price of insurance in the UK" His question is then answered a few lines down: "Some 30,000 claims a year involve uninsured drivers, many of them foreign registered" But nothing will be done and us mugs in Rip off Britain will still end up paying more
So much for the European Union. What a shambles.
Make them take out UK insurance-if they don't like it they can hire a car(though most self respecting hire companies wouln't recognise some licences)
Now this does not happen in Germany. Why? Of course Germany is too poor to have a completely unlimited immmigration policy ,but even those Poles et al get their cars impounded and pay heavy fines for similar behaviour
locals dont stand a chance , i have had my van advertised for sale for 2 weeks now as i can not find work ,in a 2 week period the only people to phone about it are eastern europeans and they dont want it to drive here they want it to do some sort of scam by taking it home .
If a police officer is in any doubt as to whether a car is insured, he is perfectly within his rights to impound it. Too much like hard work, though. . Production of a boarding card is proof of a visit to Calais, nothing more
So they DO have insurance! If you are involved in a collision with one of these, they are covered for third party liability! I'm a very experienced traffic cop; this is a non-story! And I've seized countless foreign registered cars that aren't insured too. Eddie M of Stockton on Tees, stop police bashing and generalising!!
How many UK registered cars do you think are being used in France, Spain etc under the same 'arrangements'?
This is what happens when you open your doors to people from EU countries who have no morals and bring their vile tactics with them. Deport them and leave the EU NOW. get smart UK.
Good on them. We should do everything possible to lower expenses in these tough times.
Spot on eddie m,Sarah etc. ‘We know what they’re up to but the choice is either spending hours or days sometimes building a case against them or using the time to deal with more serious offences.’ Mr PC...this is a serious offence!! It is your job. DC's and above deal with bigger stuff . Stop avoiding the graft and chase them down.
It's not really a scam though is it?? It's a loophole in the law.
IF you live in this country and run a car - it should be TAXED, MOT'D AND INSURED HERE!
"He said: ‘I’m shocked by the price of insurance in the UK," Don't come to Spain then !
One has to wonder why insurance premiums in other European countries are so much cheaper than here. In many cases our accident figures are much better, Surely our insurance companies aren't profiteering? Well, a look at their profits might tell us something...
This law needs to be scrapped straight away. If they want to bring their cars to Britain where they will be living they should be forced to change their license plates and pay our tax and insuranceor else they are not allowed to drive over here but wait, they are foreigners so they are bound to get away with it !!!
What a pathetic response from the so-called Police Service. I suppose this is yet another "benefit" of immigration, the delusional fantasy of B`liar & its` cronies. As for the imbecile who states "it`s become a running joke", it`s no joke if you happen to ride a m/cycle or a bicycle. If I get knocked off my bike by one of these toerags, I shan`t bother suing him, I`ll sue the Police Farce instead for failure to do the job they are PAID to do.
I thought that cars from abroad had to be re-registered in UK if in the country for more than 3 months.
It's what any Brit would do if they could.
At last. I knew this was going on and has done for years. A car at work has been on French plates for 2 years yet everyone knows the guy lives locally. This infuriates me and there is absolutely nothing that I can do about it. Worst still is that these foreigners are also not being caught by cameras, especially on M25 road works sections, driving inches from cars in front urging them to get out of the way. I URGE ANY DRIVER WHO IS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT WITH SUCH VEHICLES TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY. Drive safe out there
Just one of the many reasons why Eastern Europeans can afford to work for peanuts. One law for them another for the rest of us. No wonder people have had enough !
Basically the cops have give up again. Start doing your civic duty and take pride in your job for a change instead of prosecuting people for 'THOUGHT CRIMES'.
Another group pushing up premiums for us all. What's wrong with foreign drivers needing a cover note printed in english if there going to be here for more than a month. After all, it's only another line in there policy booklet and would give the police a chance. The news of seized vehicles would soon spread, forcing compliance as it has done to others. Further more, if the worst was to happen at least there would be a decent payout, instead of a pittance from the uninsured drivers scheme (which we all have to pay for)
More serious offences? If it was a UK driver without insurance they would treat it as very serious to start with. Seems it is only the UK drivers they are waging war against.
There is a massive probñem here in Spain with thousands of Brit expats who are npow resident in Spain not reregistering their vehicles onto Spanish pltates thus avopiding taxes both here and in the UK for they do not pay UK Road Fund taxes or Spanish ones. Also we see adverts in the local English papers for fraudulent MOT certificates and Road Fund discs. One enterprising transport company also advertises taking your car to the UK for an MOT. Here if you are caught the vehicle is impounded until it is on Spanish registration with a stiff fine as well.T.
Again another scam that can be fixed if the Government was serious about protecting British people and putting their right to live in a decent law abiding Country first and foremost. How about just taking away the 6 months rule and levelling the playing field - is this too hard for 630 MP's to do or will they hide behind the favourite excuse and say its the fault of the EU . Just who does govern Britain should be the question
Simple record number plate as they go out of the country and again when they return, add information to Police data base; when driver stopped info readily at hand. Give them ticket, seize car, they will then have to walk back to Dover to get next boarding card. Recording numbers not a difficulty, ANPR technology commonly used to give British drivers tickets, use same technology at ports for jolly foreigner.
Close this pig trough down and give them a permanent holiday.
Here here, ukip for me!
why not give them one never ending holiday, sack the lot, lets have our referendum and get out before it all sinks.
I am disappointed that still no one has come forward to reveal where UKIP are out on the streets, shouting from the roof tops, and generally leading the electorate with competent spokesman urging the removal of the current inmates, sorry incumbents, of Parliament in order that they may be replaced with the raring to go party of the future who are going to save us from the voracious clutches of Europe, UKIP. Somebody please tell me who is there on their front ranks other than Nigel Farage? Is UKIP just a figment of the anti - Europe imagination? WHERE TH H*** ARE YOU? If you want our votes, make yourselves visible ! Cameron et al aren't going to budge if you don't come out of hiding !
Actually, Marco, dear boy, plenty of us will go on hating Europe no matter how many holidays that lot in Strasbourg cancel. I think simple 'hate' for something that has so nearly utterly destroyed the free nations of Europe is a big understatement...the majority of citizens of individual nations loathe and despise the gutless sycophants who betray their own countries just to stuff their snouts in the EU trough.
britain is powerless without the eu - we are a 5th rate power pretending the empire still exists. red arrow away you BNP lovers - syed, ipswich, 31/8/2012 09:55 ________________________ You are very confused. Britain realised long ago that the age of empire was dead and got rid of ours but that message has failed to reach your dinosaur friends in Brussels who insist on trying to build another empire, deluding themselves that such things are not utterly obsolete.......... And your confusion grows wider in your erroneous remarks about the "BNP" when even you should know that the architect of your beloved EU empire was none other than Heinrich Himmler........whose policy thereon you so obviously approve........ How do you reconcile your APPARENT dislike of the BNP with your love of EU fascism?
UKIP is the invisible party, mike, Folkestone, 31/8/2012 08:12 - 'You should get out more. Open UKIP public meetings all over the country every week/month, where you can ask questions - unlike the few LibLabCon meetings, where only the faithful are invited.' - Avril King, UK of GB & NI - NEVER EU, 31/8/2012 9:58>>>> I regularly see adverts for the local MP's 'surgery' here, (Tory) read the frantic Labour letters in the local paper, as they try to defend their position and blame the Coalition, but never any mention of UKIP. Not a single flyer through the letterbox, unlike the Lib/Dems and occasionally the two main parties. Sorry, Avril, but I expect politicians to come to me in the first instance, show me their wares, so that I can make a decision to purchase - or not. I attended a meeting here once in Folkestone, featuring NF, but that was two general elections or so ago. Nothing since. UKIP must try harder !
UKIP is the invisible party, mike, Folkestone, 31/8/2012 08:12 - You should get out more. Open UKIP public meetings all over the country every week/month, where you can ask questions - unlike the few LibLabCon meetings, where only the faithful are invited.
britain is powerless without the eu - we are a 5th rate power pretending the empire still exists. red arrow away you BNP lovers
Vote UKIP, get us out.
'UKIP is the only answer to this; REFERENDUM NOW' - Speak as i find, Crawley down, 31/8/2012 07:35 'Only UKIP can be trusted with our sovereignty !.' - Clive, UKIP Supporter Essex, 31/8/2012 00:51>>>>>>> But where is this UKIP? Why aren't their leaders (whoever they might be, apart from the only name we know, Nigel Farage) making them selves heard country wide? UKIP is the invisible party, and as such will not cause Cameron, Milliband or Clegg to lose much sleep. We want to support them, but they must come into the public arena by campaigning far more than they are at present, if they are to make any worthwhile impression in elections. It will be interesting to see what happens in Corby...
UKIP is the only answer to this; REFERENDUM NOW
Only UKIP can be trusted with our sovereignty !.
More holidays?...........Yes of course Mary Ellen. But WITHOUT pay!
Actually, Marco, dear boy, plenty of us will go on hating Europe no matter how many holidays that lot in Strasbourg cancel.-----Competely agree MES. Unfortunately we have a government (as does Ireland) that is just a puppet to the EU and does as it says. So they basically all the power and few of the responsibilities.
I want to apologise to the English British people. As a 3rd generation Cypriot I now understand how hard it must have been for you when the commonwealth countries were invited to come to the mainland to replace you as the workforce. I have apathy beyond belief as I watch semi literate and language deficient individuals serve me in government offices and supermarkets. The strain on the system is unbelievable.
This goverment could stop immigration, but so far it has not happened. The town nearest to where I live, is full of people of almost every nationality on this planet it seems, and I feel like I am the one of the minority. The amount of immigrants having children, and claiming benefits here is unreal. I sometimes wonder which country I am actually living in. I love England and what is happening to it, It is heartbreaking.
The country is down the pan. End of........
The most worrying part of all this is that no matter what these immigrants do, they cannot be deported and none of the major parties will ever change that. Thank goodness for UKIP, who will get a landslide at the next election.
Its not just the EU. Since when has Pakistan been in Europe? Why do we have our doors open to them and Africa? The EU doesn't demand that, so why when our Government isn't bound by a ridiculous 'freedom of movement' policy, do they do sweet FA about it? There's parts of this country that don't look British, or either European... they are more Middle Eastern looking, and its got to stop.
The Tory's failed in opposition to do anything about this !. The same Tory's are now failing in government to do anything about this !. Only UKIP have show any consistency in opposing any of this !. It's time to vote UKIP !.
Three cheers for Bl;air, Brown and the two twerp Eds.
All though it breaks my heart to say it this country is finished New loony labour put the final nail in the coffin and its too late to do anything about it. I would like to apologise to all those who fought and gave their lives for our freedom we have let you down badly.But on the bright we have same sex marriages I know you will be delighted.
Who else is incredibly angry at this treachery? I for one am, what angers me most is that they never asked for consent to ruin - yes ruin, this country - the arrogant, traitorous scum....
when we go to the ballot box we should remember the underhand way the labour party flooded this country with immigrants for there ends
Can someone tell me what exactly after 3 years in government has the LIB_CONS done to ease the " pain.".....NOTHING that's what...part of the plan? get a grip people 2015 is your say......shout it out LOUD AND CLEAR.
i long for my country of the 1950's. I will be glad when my time is up.Benefit cheats.rubbish mp's.Crap telly.And a country that is like an awful stew.If you only knew what it was like in the 60's. Wonderful.
Our leaders have no intention of doing anything about mass immigration and the strain will inevitably turn to rage and eventually violence. There is no excuse for this we are an island after all and these problems are of our own making and there are some very rich people who don't care about what's happening and are profiting enormously from the chaos created. On top of the enormous taxes we all pay this huge influx imposes an extra and more onerous toll in the form of a massive decline in our standard of living and quality of life, and norms of civilised behaviour.
And it wasn't just the transgenerational socio-economic costs that everyone bangs on about that has caused so much damage, it was the way Nu Labour legislated us, and allowed us to be legislated, into a straight jacket that prevented us from uttering the truth about what they were doing to us, and underpinned this vadalism of British society with the most vile cancer of political correctness....
The social vandalism committed by Nu Labour has to be forgotten. For sure, the residual dross from those dark years, including Balls, Miliband, Harman, Byrne, et al, must be cleared out of public offfice and have their pension rights removed, but we have to put this mess behind us. We are not going to get repatriation or any other such right wing extremist rubbish, but what we can do is insist that those who have come here live by our rules and customs, or at the very least ensure that our ways take precidence over theirs. We are a broadly secular/Christian society, and that is what has made us great, so we have to win back our culture.
Bad politicians!!!!!!, and Blair thinks he can walk back into the country that he could not wait to get away from him when he finished as an MP. That man ought be be swinging on a lamppost somewhere after what he has done to this country, see it did not get him any more labour votes did it? Just wait until the next election and see how the majority (just) of this country will vote, come on UKIP, EDL and all.. At least they speak the truth about the state we are in this country.
I was in London last weekend and when i got home by chance i saw a few minutes of Minder.. It was a stark contrast of how London was thirty years ago compared with today. Some may prefer London now to then but last weekend i felt like i was in a big human zoo.
Social engineering is and has been an evil influence that crept into our lives to benefit no one; but cause misery for tens of millions. Socialism is a failed theory which would have required politicians to be perfect; but that never will be possible as we see the corruption increase in proportion to their power.
Tim typical of the so called liberal left.Either part of the big scam that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poorest or more likely one of the elites useful idiots.Maybe a 2 week holiday in Tower Hamlets may open his eyes to the hell holes that many inner cites and towns have become.
If you want to live in England emigrate to New Zealand and leave the ruination behind. Yes I live in the US but I can state that NZ is as close to the English way of life as you can get. The real England is a lost cause it's gone forever.
You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it. - dodgeswolf, London, United Kingdom, You might be weak willed and pathetic, but many true Brits aren't, and won't. UKIP's the only way, and maybe our last stand.
yes it is time to stop all but essential imigration, but the tories will not do this as it keeps wages low
Yes, and if you let them in again, they'll do exactly the same. UKIP!!
The Con/Lab/Lib are in all but name Marxists! UKIP is our only hope,end of story!!!
our labor government here in oz...have abandoned all border control...you have three ways they enter your country,road/rail,air,sea...we have two air,sea....don't let the barbarian's over run your borders...England god bless you....cheers...
It always the same, governments take years to see what the public have known and have been saying, yet they pay out £millions to consultants rather than take notice of the electorate. Well come the next election their dreams will be shattered, UKIP will be in charge.
The cost is my family have 2 weeks until we will be evicted by DIO from the service married quarter we are living in and even though we will be homeless with our 6 grandchildren we have care of the council have nothing for us as we have many migrants that have to be housed! and the local letting agencies have nothing as people are snapping up the rental lettings as they want the children to attend the local schools, all I can say is the whole place wants putting in a bag and given a good shake and sort out the chaff from the wheat. Get something sorted and get us the house we require to care for our family and no we dont claim benefits we work- maybe thats our mistake!
'You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it.- dodgeswolf , London, United Kingdom, 05/7/2013 09:10' So when did Somalia, Congo, Bangladesh, Nigeria join the EU? Migration from EU member states accounts for only one third of the current total. The government bleats that they can't control immigration by EU nationals, but they could do something to control the rest. Their lack of action however suggests that they don't want to and have no intention of imposing controls. In the meantime the rest of us have to put up with consequences without complaint for fear of being labelled racist.
Currently we have a population of around 63 million. Nobody knows exactly how many, especially the government. Now a population of 79 million has been projected for the middle of the century which would make us bigger than Germany (which is portrayed as desirable) although we have only about half the land area of Germany, and as somehow unstoppable. Do you really want to live in, or have your grandchildren live in, a Britain that over-populated?
The end result of the process of so called democratisation in the Middle East can only with almost total certainty guarantee for each of the countries of the Middle East a civil war. This is written in and proven by history. When Great Britain gave Islamic countries their independence the independence came with what turned out for the people's of those countries to be a ball and chain that did not fit the Islamic culture. In each state democracy was overthrown and the old system was restored, often in damaged condition when compared to the systems that existed before British rule. Democracy has to begin by respecting the sovereignty and individuality of each nation state in the world. Only then can each nation state govern itself. The present day arrogance of the west resembles the arrogance that gave rise to the Second World War where first one state, then a group of states, sought to impose their systems and beliefs on other nation states. We should under no circumstances touch Syria
We won't leave Europe. Cameron has been instructed by Bilderberg not to leave. Look at the change in reporting and attitude since Bilderberg. I don't have a tinfoil hat and I used to laugh at the conspiracies, but this is just too obvious to ignore!
Yes, the Home Office report does identify 7 hot spots where the high number of migrants is putting a strain on local services, but the report then goes on to say - 'However, migration may also benefit some of the moderate or low migration areas. For example, the population of ¿Rural and Coastal Retirement Areas¿ is aging, and in some of these areas the arrival of migrant families and children might help to keep rural schools open, while migrant workers can make a valuable contribution to the provision of services and to the local economy'. That must have been the point at which the Daily Mail stopped reading, having already obtained the material it needed for yet another chance to show migrants in a negative light.
It is so evident to the average person, ie those that work for a living in a regular job, that we are suffering and if not directly affected know people who are, whether it be schooling, medical or job related. So the party that stops trying to justify halting immigration for all but essential needs will get a lot of votes.
Any chance of a comment from the lady in Rochdale who Brown called a bigot? She supported Labour all her life and no doubt still holds to her original socialist principles as do millions of others but the immigration policies of Blair/Brown/Milliband are clearly wrong. Many Labour supporters will not vote for the Party in 2015 and could not bring themselves to vote Tory. Maybe some will vote UKIP though most of them imho, will probably not bother to vote at all.
Labour never to be trusted again after allowing mass uncontrolled largely unskilled immigration, Con/Lib never to be trusted again for not stopping it. Fight for your children and grandchildren's futures - don't vote for the any of the above!!!
Few countries are as badly served by their parlaiment, as England. Our identity has effectively been erased. We deserve so much better from our MPs. The real;ity is that until the electorate choose the cnadidates. we are simply pawns of the party machines.
There should be a reckoning one day for the treachery of the political class
You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it.
Nothing will happen about this, absolutely nothing. Until all three of the main parties are out of the way, this will carry on and on and on... Vote UKIP, if you want this to change. I'm only glad I don't live in the UK anymore, it's just my family and friends that I worry for.
Pay immigrants nothing and let them have access to nothing unless they have been here, contributing via taxes, for at least five years, and start rolling that back to include all those currently living on benefits. Employ more people to chase the illegals and overstayers, and remove them without argument. In a word, get TOUGH. That should see numbers fall.- Jane ROBERTS , Oxford, 05/7/2013 07:05 > I totally agree we need to get tough - very tough. There are many thousands of "illegals" already here that are in this position. They work for unscrupulous employers and live in squalor provided by unscrupulous landlords. THOSE are the people to bring to justice in order to end the abuses of our immigration system. It is an age-old problem, just like so many others. If thieves could not sell "scrap" they wouldn't steal metal. If burglars could not sell stolen goods they wouldn't steal. Whatever the problem is - there is a solution but our government is looking in the wrong place for it.
IMMIGRATION is totally destroying this good country of Britain.Put the BRITISH people first !!! Restore national pride in every way !!!
There's no getting away from it, but the most deep-seated, undesirable AND unwanted change to our country has been instigated and then fostered by the last Labour government, to a point where many indigenous citizens now feel strangers in their own land! And what a total disgrace it is that major areas and cities like Birmingham are calculated to become "white minority" area within just a few years! What a legacy for any political Party to have - to have turned their own country into an unrecognisable State - and just for their own political ends - with anyone voting for them being complicit in that outcome! And nothing seems to change in that Party either, with the continuing Tammany Hall politics, as in Falkirk, rearing it's ugly head again, with Unite's placemen being lined-up for all the available seats - irrespective of what the "leader" Miliband wants! What a degraded country all of us have allowed to come about, what with our own apathy and submission to bribery!
Yes, Miliband and co are utterly unfit to govern,but.....WHY are they consistently ahead in the polls? should he become PM, there will only be one man to blame, CAMERON. He embarked on his idiotic campaign of modernisation, social engineering, green policies, overseas aid, culling the military and trying to con the electorate on the EU. Add on top of this his serial rudesness and ignorance towards his core support and UKIP defectors and we have the perfect storm for our PM. This backwoodsman will continue to vote UKIP.
Do not be fooled. Labour get their strings pulled as much as any other political party. Its the Establishment that is to blame, and thats all 3 parties, so it would have happened anyway. Get rid of all the parasites.
Nick Clegg is a bloody fool - over promoted and WAY out of his depth.
There's not a hope of Cameron's defying the EU and refusing to let Romania and Bulgaria export their social problems to the UK. Firstly, he hasn't got the guts to defy Brussels. Secondly, he is wedded to the idea that the UK must stay in the EU and have 'influence.' Thirdly, he doesn't serve the British people, he serves The Establishment - and they won't allow it. If you want firm action that puts the interests of the BRITISH people first, the only Party Leader who will do it is that nice Mr Farage that Grayling is warning us about. If you want change, you have to vote for it. LibLabCON want us IN the EU and forced to allow 500 million people the right to live in the UK. UKIP wants us OUT and able to control our borders. Use your vote wisely.
Pay immigrants nothing and let them have access to nothing unless they have been here, contributing via taxes, for at least five years, and start rolling that back to include all those currently living on benefits. Employ more people to chase the illegals and overstayers, and remove them without argument. In a word, get TOUGH. That should see numbers fall.
And meanwhile Israel must be laughing up its sleeve. All of its enemies blood-soaked in ruin and chaos, thanks to the great "liberal interventionists", American, Britain and the European Union, who fostered, championed and aided and abetted the so-called Arab Spring!!
They won't though but ukip would simple
The MPs don't care because it has no effect on their lives as their position and money insulates them.
Mass immigration of EU citizens, many of whom are uneducated or poor, obviously costs the country a fortune. But at least this can be blamed on treaty obligations. How can mass immigration of uneducated third world citizens who will never be self-sufficient ever be justified? Would anyone like to estimate the cost?
They could not run a kids tea party, and they are self governing!
Ok. So now they know what we all knew years ago. But what are they going to do about it? First close the borders, then several senior members of previous governments need to be indicted for treason, Re-nationalise the utilities and the railways and finally the staged reduction of the population down to sensible levels for these small islands. This will make us leaner and fitter (and greener), reduce our reliance on foreign fuels and imports, and reduce or eradicate unemployment. The NHS will be under less pressure as will housing, the roads, schools and general infrastructure. If the politicians won't listen, perhaps its time we had a word with the army. Egyptian-Style!
Just understanding the concerns of the public's worry on immigration is not good enough. What action will they take ? saying no to Europe over the Romanian issue ? Get real . Getting rid of bogus arrival's and undesirables.? Get real . This lot are just as bad as Blair and Brown on this, and we are all " Bigot's" for demanding action on this problem.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is an orchestrated plan, and the tories do defy the EU and refuse to allow the Romanians entry, to try to win over the voters and take the 2015 election. It will not happen though, UKIP will win the keys to No10 and UKIP will free us from EU legislation. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the EU didn't disband completely anyway. I am sensing a period of 'dog eat dog' mentality on the horizon. I wouldn't want to be a resident of either Spain or Portugal right now, as both countries are looking very vulnerable.
Along with the indigineous people of these islands Labour have also betrayed the immigrants who came to thses shores in the 50/60/70s who put up with racism back then and yet have contibuted to our society paid taxes and raised children who have acheived professionaly, founded businesses, and helped the sporting success of the UK. Sadly these people will be tarnished by the complete shambles that Labour have made of immigration.
Cameron and Sarkozy are entirely to blame for Syria because of their ill-conceived and naively stupid involvement in Libya for political gain, After Libya, a whole plethora of North African States involved themselves in attempted coups to displace their respective governments with the expectation that the 'West' would move in and help them in their quest. This has resulted in the replacement of several governments who may not have been entirely pleasant but were relatively stable. Now virtually all of North Africa is in turmoil as is much of the Horn of Africa and many of the more stable governments are still in jeopardy. Even the more benign State of Jordan came close to an uprising purely because everyone else appeared to be doing it. Harsh though it may seem after so many deaths, the West must cease to involve itself in conflicts that politicians simply do not understand. Further involvement will most certainly end up with an increase of fighting whilst expecting Western aid.
It's England's hospitals and schools at breaking point. It's England's towns and cities changed beyond all recognition. It's the English who are completely ignored in their own land. Still the word "England" is missing from the immigration debate.
We will soon be outnumbered if they are going to breed at this rate. Stop benefits to these people and see birth rate drop dramatically.
//The religions which are practised by many immigrants and their children is often one that either encourages large families or does not encourage or permit contraception, result large, often Victorian sized, families of immigrants// Show us the evidence - I think you'll have a hard time finding it. My background is Polish [1950s] and I'm one of two kids. School friends of a Polish background all came from families of two kids [I can think of 5 such families]. There is no pressure for large families among Polish migrants - Catholicism is flexibly and unfanatically practiced - if at all, in this generation.
this article stating "British taxpayers fork out for child benefit payments to tens of thousands of migrant workers" forgets that it's not only British taxpayers who contribute to British treasury - slightly bias I'd say Not only we procreate well in this country (for which we are very grateful) but also we contribute well to the UK coffers. I personally have been employed for the last 7 years almost continuously, have been on standard tax rate (around 21%?) never received any benefits or preferential treatment. My whole education (including 2 university courses) were paid by the Polish governemrnt (as it's free there). I really dont see any reason why should I feel bad about now receiving child benefit (£20/week if I remember correctly) for my newly born Polish son (who is most likely going to become more British than Polish sooner that I would expect anyway)?
Simply link the healthcare system through healthcare companies that have to be paid for by the patient as is the case here in Germany . You get your benefit payment/pension or wages and from this the individual pays his/her healthcare insurance including after retirement age .If an individual is sponsored by his/her native country then thats their business .
Of all the immigrants to the UK the Poles are the ones who most easily adapt to the culture. The problem isn't that they are having lots of children but that a single generation have arrived - all the Poles who have come are in the age group most likely to produce children. Unfortunately, the UK is overwhelmed with people generally - and the infrastructure is disintegrating beneath the weight of the overpopulation That benefits and the NHS appear to be freely available to everyone who arrives from abroad in a way they would never be anywhere else - is the source of the problem. That and the fact that Blair's government decided, unlike most of the original EU member states - to allow everyone in at once. The problem isn't the birthrate but the way the UK has been governed since 1997 - what we need is a tough-minded party prepared to break the liberal monopoly.
Another article to feed the right wing lunatics of this country.
Tom Reading, Do you think that the 300k British Nationals that leave the UK as you say. ARE on Benefits abroad ?.
Would you stop with that 'nationality' nonsense? We're in 21st century. We accept transgendered people but not transnationals? Grow some brain cells (yes, it can be done too).
Worked since I was 15 never claimed anything from the state and now told no pension,bus pass,or free percriptions until I'm 66.Guess who I shall be voting for?
" 1 in 4 that have not contributed enough to welfare to pay for the privilege. 1 in 4 that have the right to claim benefits. 1 in 4 that can take advantage of upgrading to a bigger council house. 1 in 4 take another place in full schools requiring addition funding to build more. 1 in 4 using the high ways and byways chocking transport requiring additional investment. I could go on but just wish to say, Labour well done at least now you have someone to represent. " - Rich S, middlesbrough, 19/9/2011 10:39----Is your eyesight defective or something? It is 1 in 40 NOT 1 in 4 !!! AND remember it was the Tories who took us into the EU and allowed free movement of labour within the EU. I don't mind the Poles having all these babies, at least most of them will eventually go to their own country - unlike all the illegals.
Without doubt the majority of Poles are good hardworking people,Honest and reliable.But why can't they be those things in Poland and make Poland a better place to live.My gripe is that multiculturalism was foisted upon us without our permission or consent, who was ever asked. Put it to a Referendum I'll be the first to accept the result !.Once this country is financially secure again however I'm all for helping other countries.But how is it helping us by bringing their populations here. Before somebody says about the benefits of foreign doctors dentist etc why can't we train our own people,we used to once.I'm sure the foreign doctors and dentists would be more usefull in the countries from whence they came. By the way DON'T play the RACIST CARD you don't know me. I could mention my Chinese Gay and Black friends but that would be sickly.
Tony Blair 1999 Things can only get better, The Dream is coming true every day we push a bit closer to the erradication of the British race.
And we have been ''conned'' to believe that people like these are the ''saviours'' of our economy . ''Bunkum'' .One simple statistic would expose this lie.i.e. '' Total wealth they have created for the country'' minus ''Total benefits they have claimed from the country. Well at least the ''Pope'' will be very happy.
This country is doomed,and it will all end in tears...thanks to the tories.
figures show Eastern European migrant mothers accounted for more than one in four babies in Boston, Lincolnshire......That's because the Poles are there doing all the bum jobs the Brits don't want to do. .
One more piece of evidence proving the inestimable damage done to our country by uncontrolled immigration. None of us ever voted for this nor would we. Yet it continues to happen - the politicians of the LibLabCon party should be tried for treason.
It works both ways. We can go and live, work and claim benefits in Poland - and have our babies there. Poland's a lot bigger than Britain with much lower population density so it is a good thing for all Britons that we can go and live in such a wonderful country without having to apply to emigrate. Besides letting in EU migrants as treaty bound for near full citizenship privileges, Britain with its imperial history should have an open door policy for migrants from countries we formerly invaded. I think you would find that a lot more difficult than you think. They won't translate everything into English. They don't have council houses. Their health service is not totally free. Their benefits are nowhere near as generous as ours. They have to provide all their childrens school requirements. Why do you think they'd rather be unemployed here than employed there? Can't blame them for grabbing what is handed to them on a plate but it doesn't make it easy for us to swallow!
The religions which are practised by many immigrants and their children is often one that either encourages large families or does not encourage or permit contraception, result large, often Victorian sized, families of immigrants. The situation is not unique to the UK and can not be remedied with a political "quick fix"!
The majority of Polish people that come to the UK to work, do indeed work and work hard! People accuse them of taking our jobs yet the unemployed in this Country are generally too lazy to get up of their sofa and take those jobs for themselves. And the unfortuante thing is they don't have to because everything is handed to them on a plate. If you lived in an Eastern block country and you had a choice of not working, having no heat, no food and no way to care for your family or travelling to another country, getting a job and earning money to provide for your family, wouldn't you? The Poles contribute a lot to our economy and whilst numbers in this country should be kept in check (as they should be with any immigrants) I personally find myself more concerned about the illegals that enter this country to cause Brits harm or sponge off the state than I am about hard working indiviuals that are simply doing work they know is available.
Stop falling out amongst yourselves, there is a solution for all of this, it's called ignore the symptoms and solve the problem. The problem is the EU. It's undemocratic, expensive, corrupt. We can get on quite well, especially now we have a new common enemy - the people with all the oil!
As usual a load of total morons reacting to a biased and repeated DM article. How many of these babies are born to Polish couples and how many to UK fathers/Polish mothers. I'm a Brit married to a Polish girl who's worked (for minimum wage) ever since she came to the UK 8 years ago. She pays her taxes like the rest of us and support s idle breeding chavs who drain the NHS too. We have a 7 month old baby, both work and get next to nothing from the State. We are settled here, don't intend to move to Poland. Even if we did decide to, we've both paid into the system and should benefit from it. If a Brit works in Europe and has a child born there, the rules must be the same and they would be able to come backto the UK and still have the benefits they worked for. But then Brits don't migrate to find work and just sit on there asses here winging about it!! Red arrow away morons
Just one of many help-yourself-to-the-UK invading tribes colonizing the United Kingdom. The host people have been quietened by the near deafening silence from the lefty BBC TV. Deliberate?
Terrifying figures. I worry for my childrens future.
The point is that England simply does ot have the room for mass immigration on this scale. We are a relatively small country and are being bled dry with all this. The social security system and NHS was never intended to cater for the whole world, and this mass immigration really has to stop. The health service is overloaded, school places are limited etc - political parties and the EU have let us all down over this issue. One easy answer would be to stop child benefit after two children though it is all very complicated and i feel the whole social security system needs to be overhauled.
I do speak English and I will learn my child to speak before school! You better ask your gov. who pays taxes and bills in this country and who is really on benefits!!!
I fail to see why I am supposed to care about this.
Maybe if we charged them to deliver their babies - like the midwives in Poland do - then they would not come here!
What about some figures for muslims with multiple wifes, that would be interesting to read, and they are not even a part of the so called eu, so they have not paid any thing in.
All this is due to the disgusting governments that get ellected time after time,this Tory government should be called LID , Labour In Disguise,the native people of England have only themselves to blame in voting LIBLABCON, find out about the 4th largest party if you want to stop this distruction of your country, Do someting about it
At least the Poles generally learn our language and work hard. They don't even seem to be linked to any criminal gangs. At least if they're employed they pay tax.- Giddy Aunt, UK, 19/9/2011 10:16. Get your facts right. My son-in-law worked in a factory where all but two were Polish and spoke all the time in their own language and never tried to engage with the English workers. He said they were lazy and rude. The foremen were also Polish and when a vacancy occurred he phoned his friends in Poland and they got the jobs. The fact that they could not speak English was worrying as they worked in the warehouse in a pharmaceutical firm!
Disgusting, any foreign national should be made to have some sort of insurance while living in this country which let's them go to a private hospital, I'm fed up paying my national insurance and tax for people that send most of there money back to there own country, also if they haven't made enough contributions and are not working then they should not receive benefits and should be sent back to there own country, we are to soft on migrants and it has to stop.
IÂ’m a foreign national living here for 6 years and my husband for 20 years. I completely agree with English nationals being worried about immigration. In some areas you can barely see an English national. Being part of the European community bring good and bad things. Maybe is time to UK rethink about being part of it. It is sad to see so many people coming here only for benefits. I try to speak English outside my house because I understand how horrible is being around people and not understand what they are saying. I have one son that is what my husband and I can afford without benefits. I canÂ’t understand how someone can bring a child to this world without knowing if they can provide food, clothes, and a good life to their children. And I canÂ’t understand how can a parent live their kids grown in a country,go to school without speaking the local idiom. Not all immigrants come here as a grasshopper. But is time to act now before is to late.
The Battle of Britain was largely won by Polish airmen. - David, Aylesbury, 19/9/2011 7:41 -------------------------------- They certainly flew that day, but they were NOT in the majority! Plus, what does that have to do with Polish mothers and babies using our hospitals and midwives when the service is already on is knees? The strain of having so many families within this age group moving here is too much for the NHS.
Cheesed off, The Asylum, 19/9/2011 11:12 - Why are there so many comments from "ex pats" on this forum, you chose to leave the country and live abroad, so keep you honks out and let us English have a good whinge, we're still paying taxes to support all the immegrant births. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Many of us expats are STILL PAYING TAX TO THE UK and are living outside of our country because we CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN IT! Also, most of us are retirees and are not taking jobs from the locals. There are very few here who up sticks and take their young families with them. When and if they do, they get precious little help from their adopted countries, despite the fact that we are all in the EU!
It is not just the Polish. It is Child Tax Credits that is too generous. For having a child, a single woman gets income support, child tax credit & child benefit for a total of over £150 per week, not to mention housing benefit and council tax credit.
The Poles have much lower unemployment and benefit claiming rate than others. Lazy and dishonest Poles are too lazy to go further than Germany so those that make it here tend to be hard working and honest. Poland is not an undeveloped country, the population is educated and fit in well here. Those that come here learn the language very quickly and I have yet to meet a Pole who cannot speak English. Remember if it wasn't for a few Poles and Czechs in 1940 we might all be speaking German by now. Poles are not clamouring to change the British religion or way of life and Britain is better off with its Polish community than without.
I live in what was a beautiful, quaint market town. Was lovely, truly was. We are close to Stansted airport and with that expansion it's brought one heck of a lot of Eastern Europeans to town. The town has morphed into something so ugly - flats, flats and more flats. Great big horrendous modern looking things next to 15 century buildings - and in town I am the minority who speaks English. It's very sad and I appreciate they need somewhere to live but why ruin such a lovely town with modern monstrosities and hide away the ancient historical buildings.
There is nothing you can do abot it.
If having a child means getting a house for life, and having more children means having even bigger house, which they would never be able to have otherwise, why not?! Is this the way any European resident can get a house anywhere in Europe? I don't think so. ...and how come it appears that Britain follows these rules that no other European has to follow? yet, British politicians are well able to get exclusion from the regulations such as working time regulation, which is applied in most of the countries in Europe, so that working people are 'allowed' (by 'take-or-leave' method) to work enormous amount of hours for those who get accommodation for free.
Why look at it negatively. If British women are too worried about their careers and figures.....then it is good that Polish women are supplementing our ageing population. Also Polish women marry younger. Good for them......they make good citizens.
Great. Welcome! British people should be more adventurous with languages and learn some Polish. It may look hard with all those consonants, but unlike English, every word is pronounced exactly as it is written. Poles have been hugely amused by my attempts to speak their language, but at the same time very appreciative that I took the effort. - Francis, Newcastle, 19/9/2011 10:23 If the English tried to learn the languages of all and sundry that are now flooding into ENGLAND they wouldn't have much time to work would they... Coming from a Geordie I find that highly amusing as I do the whole situation which is why we upped and emigrated from the once Great Britain in 2009... Good old Mr BLIAR..Immigration, Immigration,Immigration..
It's a big mess HOWEVER, the polish people have a wonderful work ethic and graft. I have many polish colleagues,polish builders and cleaners. They put us to shame on that front. I suspect the proportion of these mums who are unemployed and who don't return to work is lower. Not that this detracts from the reality of the problem.
I'm married to a Polish woman, and so our children have been born to a Polish mother, but they are British. Oh, and she is a hard working professional, so think it is safe to say she contributes to society, probably more than a great number of Brits. But don't let any of that stop some of you and your blinkered views.
Is that an official Poll?
And it costs us the British tax payer? They are complaining that there are not enough midwives in the NHS if we did not have all these immigrants filling the maternity wards there would be. Immigrants from the EU and beyond are free loading on the NHS to which they have contributed nothing.
Isn't it high time that the taxpayer funded NHS was privatised ?
What a biased article. What about those who came over to study, stayed and married English citizens, and are now contributing to society by paying the 50% tax rate? I have two close Polish friends, one a sister-in-law, who have both had babies in the last year. They are contrtibuting far more to our economy than a lot of English people!
Leave the Polish alone, they come to work not to sit on their backsides like some Brits and other migrants. History tells us much about who were on our side, Poland was for sure one of them so give them the respect they require.
How wonder this EU club has been for this Country. No wonder the NHS is struggling.
The Polish women in labour are a dream to look after - they're young, fit, slim and healthy and birth their babies without fuss and complications. Women of Britain, sit up and learn from them! Eastern Europeans are improving the health of our nation and improving the gene pool.
Hi, just to clarify on "Polish baby boom" - it's a rarity to find a Polish family with more than TWO kids and I know quite a few being Polish myself. Yup, that's the way we roll and it's got nothing to do with benefits. That's just the way we were brought up - don't get me wrong, we love our kids but mums worked out that more than two were keeping them in house for too long making them a bit mental. So... Don't panic, once they hit two - it's over. Unlike some other minorities that will not be mentioned for obvious reasons. The problem with Polish folks here is not that they or we don't integrate with the natives cause we do (all folks I know do). It's they or we don't integrate with each other. There is no strong Polish community (fi. as in Chicago) to support each other therefore making us or them an easy target for all sorts of allegations. Sorry, 40 years of being left to communist got Polish spirit down a bit. P.S. Sincere thanks to Roosevelt and Churchill for Yalta.
Poles are mainly good catholics and most of them have large families anyway. I don't really see the point of victimising anyone who comes to the UK. Why is it, when Brits go abroad they're called "expats", but when Poles do it, they're called "immigrants"? I receive a child benefit too, even though I'm not German. It's called being human. Live with it.
Nice to see that our system of handouts is still wide open to abuse by all and sundry. 16 months of Coalition government and Bullingdon Boy pantomime, and we might just as well have left New Labour in 'control' for all the good they've done.
i live next door to a polish family, they have one child, the father works, and the keep a clean and tidy, well maintained house...the house is a council house but i see so many other coumcil houses where white english people live and they are rundown unkempt places...the polish people i have met (and its a fair few where i live) are polite and nice people, and most do work....i cant see the problem??
No wonder there isn't any money in the pension pot! Child benefit should only be given for the first two, and if you are a migrant and your children do not live with you, then you are not entitled-simple! Plus we as a country should be able to claim something back from their government for using our NHS which is already stretched beyond it's limits. What's wrong with this bloomin Government it just hasn't got any balls to stand up and go "ENOUGH".
//The sooner this goverment has the guts to say Family Allowance for 2 children only and this problem will stop . They are having large families for 2 reasons welfare benefits and obtaining large houses as was described in the House of Lords last week// The article does not state that Polish women are having large families - just that the large numbers of young Polish women here are now having children. Most will stop at two - they need to work. And what evidence have you that large numbers of Polish migrants are in state subsidised accommodation? Lots of baseless assumptions here.
Is that before or after the Anglo Saxon invasion?? Remember all English people that claim to be true Anglo Saxons come from that part of Europe, or of course if claim to have Norman decent you also originally came from that part of Europe.
Another article written by someone who can hardly count to 10. Where is this data coming from? I would like to see some links and not just "facts" made up by Daily Mail. We must accept that we are part of EU and people are mixing. Every year over 300k British nationals leave UK (even if some of you spent entire life in some Midlands village)so do I worry about Polish babies? No. Many of them will speak better English than Polish in age of 10 (unlike some other communities childern). Many of them are born to mixed families where father is English national and mother holds Polish passport. The issue is we are not allowed to write anything bad about migrants coming from Asia as that would be very politically incorrect so white Eastern Europenas are great target for "frustrated" benefit claimers.
1 in 4 that have not contributed enough to welfare to pay for the privilege. 1 in 4 that have the right to claim benefits. 1 in 4 that can take advantage of upgrading to a bigger council house. 1 in 4 take another place in full schools requiring addition funding to build more. 1 in 4 using the high ways and byways chocking transport requiring additional investment. I could go on but just wish to say, Labour well done at least now you have someone to represent.
harry colchester 19/9/2011 08:22------------- you will find that there are no spanish teachers in spain teaching british kids in english, all the british kids spanish, no exceptions
Isn't this why we had headlines last week about a shortage of midwives?
AND I BET that they do NOT want for anything,Cameron will see to this, NOT like the English People cannot get ANY help when it IS wanted.-- This used to be England but NOW it is a second Europe.-- And Cameron says COME ONE COME ALL and I will look after you as long as you VOTE for ME --- This is why HE will NOT stop the emmigration
Great. Welcome! British people should be more adventurous with languages and learn some Polish. It may look hard with all those consonants, but unlike English, every word is pronounced exactly as it is written. Poles have been hugely amused by my attempts to speak their language, but at the same time very appreciative that I took the effort.
Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English. So when they get to school as in our local school they only speak Polish and they hold back the English speaking children because they can't keep up. Schools are stretched enough without problems like this. Our local Schools have suffered because if this they cannot afford a Polish speaking teacher to teach the children English so what is the answer? Back to not letting immigrants in unless they can speak the language obviously. - julie, Essex, 19/9/2011 6:................................................................... Much like the Brits in Spain then. - Henry, Colchester, 19/9/2011 08:22>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did Brits of CHILD-BEARING age flood Spain?
At least the Poles generally learn our language and work hard. They don't even seem to be linked to any criminal gangs. At least if they're employed they pay tax.
Please the share hypocrisy of it all. You Brits always clamouring about integration and speaking the local language. Yeah, I am sure that is what EXPAT Brits are doing in France, Switzerland and Spain ...integrating and speaking the language. 9 times out of ten when I bump into some British person in Switzerland they are not even making an attempt to say even one word in French...total disregard for others yet you want people to integrate. You have NO CULTURE, no religion, your history for the most part has become insignificant ...in other words what are immigrants supposed to aspire to...The Polish might actually give you some character.
Why are there so many comments from "ex pats" on this forum, you chose to leave the country and live abroad, so keep you honks out and let us English have a good whinge, we're still paying taxes to support all the immegrant births.
I know one lovely polish immigrant in the UK. She's got a full time job (gasp!), is in a steady relationship with an employed Australian male (gasp) and is pregnant too (gasp gasp gasp!!!) Seriously, the UK needs people like them. They're hardworking, pay their taxes, give to the economy and are breeding quite good kids with the same work ethic. They're going to stay there as there is nothing for her in Poland career wise or for her future, and Australia is just too far away from the rest of the world and the opportunities Europe has to offer (and yes, I am Australian of 100%British heritage and I did say that!) To brand all Poles like this is quite mean. Sure, like any bunch of immigrants there will be some that rort the system, but you shouldn't generalise all of them into one bucket. It actually smacks of racism. As much as i love British people, aren't you just getting a way bit uppity in the crossbreeding stakes? Where did most of you originate from? Europe. Hmmm
I'm fine with the numbers provided that the Poles pay all treatment costs and get no UK benefit payments until they are declared a UK resident with 10 years NI contributions behind them. Poles coming over here to work are most welcome provided they fund everything themselves. Fascinating that Poland currently has a higher rate of GDP growth than Germany. The grass is always greener...
Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English. So when they get to school as in our local school they only speak Polish and they hold back the English speaking children because they can't keep up. Schools are stretched enough without problems like this. Our local Schools have suffered because if this they cannot afford a Polish speaking teacher to teach the children English so what is the answer? Back to not letting immigrants in unless they can speak the language obviously. - julie, Essex, 19/9/2011 6:................................................................... Much like the Brits in Spain then. THATS NOT TRUE, CHILDREN WHO WISH TO BE TAUGHT IN SPANISH SCHOOLS MUST SPEAK THE LANGUAGE UNLESS THE PARENTS WANT TO PAY FOR PRIVATE EDUCATION. SAME SHOULD APPLY HERE.
I have no problem with the Poles, the children will speak fluent English and be fully integrated. I have yet to hear about whole Polish areas in parts of the country where you feel uncomfortable walking through. They come from a European background and have always emigrated and integrated. If other immigrants could do the same, there wouldn't be so many problems. The polish also don't want us to suddenly into Poland, they are happy to become Anglofied. [I'm saying this with exceptions of all side in mind].
In a country with a parliament full of idiots this is bound to happen, for centuries this country has fought to maintain our way of life then in the last 30 to 40 years we give it away and you the voters are responsible, yes you vote for these governmental con artists.
Which means that they are considered to be British, so if the UK ever leaves the EU, these children (and their parents) will have the right to remain.
Stop all the benefits for any one with more than two children. Do it please and do it quickly.
One in four babies is born to a foreign national. How many are born to single white teenage girls who never intend to get a job?
I'm Polish, just returned back to Poland from England after having lived there for 6 years. I have to say most Brits have no idea how beautiful and "normal" a country Poland is, with a lot of potential and certainly with good prospects for the future. They imagine Poland as some grey, post-communist european backwater, which I don't think it is any longer. When our economy picks up a bit more I welcome Brits to come and live in Poland, it still doesn't have the many problems other western countries have.
I grew up in the 1960's as the son of an Irish Catholic immigrant and went to school with the children of Polish immigrants. All those people who think the children of Polish people will be any different to those of the indigenous people are kidding themselves. Just like the children of indigenous people, they don't want the bad jobs and they will go on the dole if they don't get what they want. That is why the immigration for low paid jobs model ultimately fails as it just swells our population for no long term benefit. Don't get me started on the immigrants who won't integrate as they make themselves more difficult to employ and seem to be content to milk the benefits system by having massive families. The physically able must WORK FOR BENEFITS - ITS THE ONLY ANSWER
No problem just send the bill to Messrs Blair and Brown!
Britain under New Labour brought in the saying to the rest of the world. Britain pays you to breed. We will pay for the children you leave in your homeland, no prof required just tell us how many you have. Just one of New Labours National scandals. It is all becoming clear why the 29m out of 65m will have to work an extra year before they can receive a state pension.
No mention in the article of where the childrens' births are registered. I guess they will be called British citizens, unlike a British mother giving birth in a foreign country. There the child will have to be registered at the British Embassy and not be a citizen of the country of birth. They just don't allow it. - N.H. Storbeck, Barnsley, U.K., 19/9/2011 7:44 It's not allowed here either, what's your point? - or do you honestly believe that every child born here, no matter what his/her parents' nationality or status is, automatically becomes a British citizen?
So that's why there is a shortage of midwives!
Henry, Colchester - "Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English." What language are you using Henry...
harry colchester 19/9/2011 08;22,there are no spanish teachers, teaching english kids in english, you will find all english kids in spanish schools speak spanish, no choice,
We are a hard working young couple both on low incomes, we cannot afford to have children without being a burdon on the State. Our parents worked a life time and paid into the system too, dispite this, we still feel it is wrong to have children of our own .
The sooner this goverment has the guts to say Family Allowance for 2 children only and this problem will stop . They are having large families for 2 reasons welfare benefits and obtaining large houses as was described in the House of Lords last week .
Labour. Policies that just keep giving.- andrew blake, london, 19/9/2011 07:50 Why does Andrew Blake talk about Labour policies on immigration?? The EU Commission decided on the policy & Blair, as with Cameron, supported it. The majority of the public voted for Blair & now Cameron knowing full well they would do nothing to halt the tide. I'm not happy with this policy, but the majority of people in the UK are, so I just have to put up with it.
The Battle of Britain was largely won by Polish airmen, I have friends of mixed British and Polish nationality and they are as patriotically British as anyone scribbling here. It is the 'great unwashed' that I have trouble with, not the Poles. - David, Aylesbury, 19/9/2011 7:41...........................Really? 'The Few' were 2353 young men from Great Britain and 574 from overseas, pilots and other aircrew, who are officially recognised as having taken part in the Battle of Britain. Of that number 147 were Polish. Each flew at least one authorised operational sortie with an eligible unit of the Royal Air Force or Fleet Air Arm during the period 10 July to 31 October 1940. Of the 544 aircrew who lost their lives during the period of the Battle, 30 were Polish. You were saying, prof?
Comments made in the main seem to defend "attacks" on Polish people coming to the UK. The point is that 50 more babies a dayare born which is higher than estimated for. That is draining NHS resources and immigrants who have been in this country for only a short while have paid little or nothing into the system but are taking far more out of it. I include ex pats in this also. I know people who have returned from South Africa (after 35 years of the good life over there) they are bleating because they don't get "much" financial help to live here - they also shared with me that they don't want to take their capital from South Africa until the exchange rate improves! That is what the ordinary, civilised, decent, hardworking, openhearted Brit is opposing - not the "race"
This story builds further proof that we should divorce ourselves from the EU. Come on DC stop being a traitor to those who voted you into power- let the electorate have their say before it's too late - LET US HAVE A REFERENDUM on coming out of the EU!
As a golden oldy the only three countries in the world that we I hold dear the rest inclouding usa have blead us dry.
David, Aylesbury..."the Battle of Britain was largely won by Polish airmen". I'm afraid you are quite wrong on that one (maybe you've been reading too many old Soviet history books!) Official statistics are. RAF pilots 2936, non British 595, Poles 145, or some 6% of the total. Whilst I salute their contribution, I think the other 94% might have had something to do with it too!
Simple maths. 50 polish babies per day which is one in 37=50x37=1850, 50/1850x100=2.7% of all births... Is that a majority when the whole population of the babies is considered? Would this really affect the housing, health services and other public services counted in billions of pounds? Don't think so. Especially that on contrary to some of the British families at least one of the parents of that baby is more likely to work full-time to feed their family.
What can we do? The three major parties will try to grab your vote and make out they want to do something about immigration but the truth is they wont. As we have seen, it feels like we have been lied to again. The people that matter, US are not being listened to. I urge you all to look at alternative parties like UKIP who wants to put an end to all of this, because let's be honest they can't do a worse job than the others are doing can they. Like many people in the UK we don't mind people coming here, it was ok to start with, but at the moment it is to much and it just grates me thinking about the amount of money it is costing to school, provide health care and benefits to these people. And the truth is we would not get the same help or benefits in their own countries, and they know it.
Much like the Brits in Spain then. - Henry, Colchester, 19/9/2011 8:22...............................Why do you always trot out that statement? At least the Brits who go st Spain have to support themselves, not rely on handouts from the taxpayers.
//Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English// The children grow up bilingual - a great preparation for learning other languages in the future. Until nursery school I spoke only Polish and by the time I started primary school my English was fine. Young children learn languages quickly and to learn them one after the other is best. In later life I have been quick to learn new languages as were other bilingual girls at school, getting straight As at A Level [this was in the sixties]. I doubt there will be many Polish-born parents who do not choose to learn English. My cleaner paid for private classes shared with other cleaners to improve her English as she wanted to speak as well as her children.
Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English. So when they get to school as in our local school they only speak Polish and they hold back the English speaking children because they can't keep up. Schools are stretched enough without problems like this. Our local Schools have suffered because if this they cannot afford a Polish speaking teacher to teach the children English so what is the answer? Back to not letting immigrants in unless they can speak the language obviously. - julie, Essex, 19/9/2011 6:................................................................... Much like the Brits in Spain then.
Gotta keep up a good supply of the next generations cheap labour.
They work hard and they integrate. Which is more than can be said about some other immigrants. I am happy to have the pole's here
yes but how many are born to jobless council tenants
This is good news we need more Polish dna in the British gene pool. They will make us more attractive and hardworking.
Labour. Policies that just keep giving.
Stop winging. We have been told by the government this is good for our economy.
No mention in the article of where the childrens' births are registered. I guess they will be called British citizens, unlike a British mother giving birth in a foreign country. There the child will have to be registered at the British Embassy and not be a citizen of the country of birth. They just don't allow it.
The Battle of Britain was largely won by Polish airmen, I have friends of mixed British and Polish nationality and they are as patriotically British as anyone scribbling here. It is the 'great unwashed' that I have trouble with, not the Poles.
Even in an affluent town like Guildford, walking through town on Saturday, a huge proportion of people were speaking in a foreign accent, so can only imagine what it must be like in Slough or London. - me, surrey, 18/9/2011 23:33 --------------- It's shocking people are speaking a different language in your affluent town. Please explain your comment.
These Polish families are very clean and hard working. The majority will take on the mimimum wage jobs that our long term unemployed feel is beneath them and they are polite and respectful. But the burden on social housing, which is the field in which I work and from where my knowledge of the Polish families comes, is overwhelming and they are now becoming less inclined to take on the harder to let, older property that they used to do as their aspirations are increasing the longer they are here. And what of the future, when all these newborns leave home and want housing of their own? Immigration is bringing this country to it's knees, no matter how likeable the immigrants, we cannot house, cloth, feed, educate and provide healthcare for them all!
And??
Only pay for the first 2 children and no more so cut baby payment's!
Thank the Tories for gettin Britain into the Eu,And thank the Tories for saying they were going to give the people a Refrendum to get out. Prior to the May election.But have now gone back on their word.As per usual.
Your all acting like its a crime to have a baby. What about all the idiots who have children, and are british, just for money from the government. Should you not be disgusted with them too? The fact that our own people feel the need to pop out 5 or 6 children and take from the state makes me far more angry then the hardworking population of the polish having a child in the best country in the world! ;)
Trouble is they ate not taught English at home because the parents do not speak English. So when they get to school as in our local school they only speak Polish and they hold back the English speaking children because they can't keep up. Schools are stretched enough without problems like this. Our local Schools have suffered because if this they cannot afford a Polish speaking teacher to teach the children English so what is the answer? Back to not letting immigrants in unless they can speak the language obviously.
i agree with darcey above....yes these children will speak fluent english,learn hard and go onto work hard.They will also embrace the british way of life and are not a threat to this country...they will not try to change laws to suit themselves
I have lived in many parts of Britian and all of them have had a huge amount of Polish people. They all seem to have this attitude that they dont want to mix with British people. I worked in a restraunt and they would laugh and joke with portugese, maltese, africans, brazilians, spanish, germans but NOT british.
What on earth is this all about !!!!! "British taxpayers fork out for child benefit payments to tens of thousands of migrant workers, because EU rules allow them to live at home while claiming here. Approximately 50,000 children of migrant workers receive the benefit –even though the youngsters still live in their home countries." I paid into the system for 20 odd years, and am not entitled to a penny, services of the NHS etc. and why should I, I know live in the U.S. I wasn't entitled to any benefits from the U.S. until I had actually worked for 40 quarters (10 years) and rightly so.
- darcy, right foot forward - Labour, never - "These children will integrate, speak English and fully accept the British way of life, unlike some other nationalities I could mention" By "other nationalities" i suspect you mean non-white people. You clearl
My parents are Polish and came over after the war. They took on the British way of life straight away and never once claimed any benefits or welfare. They worked hard and bought their home outright. Now, four kids later, they are retired, living off their pensions, while we four children (all born in the UK) all work full-time, having never claimed off the state. This is the way it should be, rather than coming over here to sponge off the UK taxpayer. I'm sick of those who come here, trying to force their religion and practices on Brits while feeling it's a right to claim welfare/benefits. It's not your country, it's a country where YOU have to fit in and behave in our way, not yours! If you can't do that then you should go back to your home country and stay there.
there is always a room to talk about polish, at least they don`t have 10 children like some or never worked before,they will provide
if there was not so much waste and people from overseas were made to pay for their treatment , the NHS would not be in such a mess, the NHS was orignally bought in for the british people, and I remember the days when we all paid national health stamps, it was my job to go and get them, for the people who are working and pay all their dues it is NOT a FREE sevice they pay for it out of their wages it is only free for the Ones who not contribute, so the ones who contribute should be treated first and formost. Why should I who paid into the NHS all my life when I lived in the Uk had to pay to see a specialist to get treated, why did i have to pay for my son to see a specailist because he could not be seen on the NHS yet people from abroad and any tom dick or harry who goes to the UK can get treated for free. a lad from Iran told me that he had come to britian to get a hand op and was seen straight away, I told him I had to wait two years for my op. he just laughed
50 babies a day? What, to each mother??!!
Yet according to the BBC's Panorama the crisis in Maternity Care is due to Older Mothers and IVF.
Good out free Borders !
This doesn't bother me. Poles make good citzens.
I like polish people they are decent and hard working. There is great demand for them as workers because we can't get lazy British benefits junkies to take jobs.
So 2.7% of daily new borns are born to Polish mothers and 97% are born to non Polish mothers. Look at the stats people and use your commonsense instead of getting hysterical !! Thanks for red arrowing me in my other comment by the way lol.
"These children will integrate, speak English and fully accept the British way of life, unlike some other nationalities I could mention. And, if you doubt my word, look at the children and grandchildren of Polish parents who fled Poland and settled in Britain after the war ! " darcy., 18/9/2011 23:27 Yeah.. Wishful thinking... You only forgot to compare the number those who fled Poland before this new mass migration of Poles and the speed with which they breed. The result is more likely that British people will have to accept the Polish way of life at the end. I live in East Anglia and I can hear more and more often Polish language in streets every time I go out. Sorry to say but England more and more reminds me the Eastern Europe from where I came from myself 22 years ago. I personally do not want to live again in the Eastern European country like Poland or Russia. I am thinking moving to Scotland - I do not want "back to the USSR - Poland" - thank you...
Even in an affluent town like Guildford, walking through town on Saturday, a huge proportion of people were speaking in a foreign accent, - me, surrey, 18/9/2011 23:33 My husband speaks with a foreign accent. Do you have problem with that? Or is it less of a problem because we do not live in Guildford (although my sister does)?
They're harder working more law abiding and more respectful than the natives, then again who isn't. They wouldn't be coming here if the natives were up to it as regards jobs. Vast numbers of them unfortunately are not.
Even in an affluent town like Guildford, walking through town on Saturday, a huge proportion of people were speaking in a foreign accent, so can only imagine what it must be like in Slough or London. - me, surrey, 18/9/2011 18:33========== Please explain how Guildford is more affluent than Slough and London. Is affluent the word you were thinking off?
These children will integrate, speak English and fully accept the British way of life, unlike some other nationalities I could mention. And, if you doubt my word, look at the children and grandchildren of Polish parents who fled Poland and settled in Britain after the war ! - darcy, right foot forward - Labour, never again. LibDems just as bad., 18/9/2011 18:27=========== I think you will find that the second generation from all nationalities integrate and speak English as England is the only home they know.
Of course this is happening. This country keeps throwing money at them. We even give them Child Benefit for kids they have back in Poland - or kids they say they have (official figures showed a lot of the claims to be fraudulent when we checked them out too late, after giving them the money). They're laughing at us as they see us fall over ourselves to give them money while we cut services to our own people and demand more and more in tax to pay for this madness.
It is a nonsense to pay child benefit to non-UK nationals - even more so when they don't even live in the UK! High time they reform this benefit and only pay it for the first child - why should the taxpayer support the children of feckless people who chose to have children they cannot support! Send the Polish Government the bill for these women's maternity care too!
At least, they are Christian children born on a Christian continent and will take their rightful place in society in due course. I welcome them !
Picking on the Polish because no one dares to mention other nationalities... they are the least of our problems. I have no problem with Europeans coming to live here, its their continent too! Its the third world migrants that will destroy this country and the rest of Europe.
303 Squadron RAF ...
Seriously? A lot of female migrants have british partners. These statistics do not take that into consideration.
Any figures yet on the numbers of older EU migrants in advance of the new pension levels_ which will be "made up" by Social Security payments to equal the levels of British pensioners? I have certainly SEEN more in the fifties and lower sixties age-brackets in and around towns in East Anglia of late. That is the next wave of East European migrants, I fear, taking advantage of our Benefits System (the EU says we MUST not discriminate!). Strange how every other country in the EU can restrict its benefits to its own people!!! Why is it that these EU regulations only apply to Britain?
they are christian europeans who believe in work, play and family and their kids will integrate and succeed. I grew up with loads of poles at my school. they spoke english like me, got good grades, were well educated and are doing well in life. Can be a bit loud and their lingo is pretty tough to make any sense of but let's be honest they make good citizens and long term will benefit the uk unlike some other arrivals and in particular our hopeless home-grown chavs who are of no use to anyone.
so what?
It works both ways. We can go and live, work and claim benefits in Poland - and have our babies there. Poland's a lot bigger than Britain with much lower population density so it is a good thing for all Britons that we can go and live in such a wonderful country without having to apply to emigrate. Besides letting in EU migrants as treaty bound for near full citizenship privileges, Britain with its imperial history should have an open door policy for migrants from countries we formerly invaded.
You shouldnt be allowed in a hospital unless you have been in this country, worked, taken no benefits and paid tax for 5 YEARS. Failing that - go back to Poland and give birth there.
..................and our elderly are losing their savings and their homes to pay for their care. There's money for everyone except our own. We're being bled dry. It is soooooo depressing.
If nothing can be done about it ;because,of the EU rules.Then, there is no need telling us daily mail.
This is indeed wonderfull news. We are all the leaves of one tree. It should not matter where people are from.
Obscene statistics and we feel the brunt of it in the West London/Surrey areas where the vast majority of Polish seemed to have gravitated to. On a daily basis I appear to be a stranger in my own country when all around me all I can hear are Eastern Europeans chatting in their own languages to each other. Virtually every restaurant and bar I go to is entirely staffed by them and as a result the high standards of the past in many of these establishments appears to be slipping. My biggest concern however is the flagrant abuse by the Eastern Europeans of our benefits and ridiculous legislation that means we fund their children even if they do not live in this country. We are being exploited by these indivduals who are draining our economy and then sending benefits back to their countries. For those people who argue in favour of the EU stating that we could go and live in Europe if we wanted to, how many people do YOU know who have ever expressed an interest in relocating to Poland?
Unlike some nationalities who come to Britain to live and work,Polish people are fine intergrators.These children will be British of Polish descent and will be good citizens of the U.K.
We will lose our NHS not through the Tory party but because it's abused at source every day. Health tourism will kill our NHS and I for one am sick having to pay for private health because of it. At 59, I have been told my pension won't start until I'm 65 and then 66 but not with enough time to do anything about it, my private pension is worthless now, thanks in the main to Gordon, It's £120 to get my teeth cleaned, I never get out of the opticians below £200 no matter how hard I try, and now it seems I won't be able to find a hospital bed if I need it and will have to sell my house to pay for my old age. What the hell has happened to this country, that I have paid my National Insurance and income tax for the last 41 years? Polish mothers have your kids in Poland next time you go 'home' to take cash and have a holiday!
Madness. I wonder how many UK monther's decided to have their babies in Poland? Referendum now - Let's get out of the EU before it's to late and we are totally swamped and broke...
So do I have to hate Polish babies now? I littlethem good health and a good life andI am sure the UK will benefit from these folks being here
Good luck to them! If they get £25k every time they pop one out who can blame them?
And how many babies are born to non Polish mothers? A helluva lot more.
Even in an affluent town like Guildford, walking through town on Saturday, a huge proportion of people were speaking in a foreign accent, so can only imagine what it must be like in Slough or London.
Way too many!
Very Scary Statistics indeed !!! Which explains why the population of Poland is actaully decling as probably alot of them are moving over here, another thing we can thank the EU for !!!
I'm sorry, say what you want, this is just wrong. So wrong.
These children will integrate, speak English and fully accept the British way of life, unlike some other nationalities I could mention. And, if you doubt my word, look at the children and grandchildren of Polish parents who fled Poland and settled in Britain after the war !
Oh.
People that are not versed in the British way of life must think our countryside with all it's open fields and rivers full of animals and no Police presence is Heaven on Earth. I feel as each day goes by that I am becoming more like the men with the "End of the World is nigh" placards I used to see in my youth. Substitute UK for World and they have been proved right.
Evidently the law is not applied equally over the country. Since when was ignorance a defence? Apply our existing laws please! Word would soon get round that this will not be tolerated. I understand that these people are trying to "survive" but turning a blind eye to this is going to encourage more of this behaviour. If they have no jobs or housing then round them up and put them to work on a civic project, see how that works, trouble is no mainstream political party has got the guts to suggest this sort of thing! In my opinion it is about time some radical solutions were tried in this country. Long overdue in fact for the general population that has to live amongst this kind of chaos. I'm off now to pick some wild flowers.... not, as I abide by the rules!
Ill tell you where the police are...investigating a lost phone in a night club because some idiot has lost it and wants to make a false claim. All down to the Governments' election charter for the police to speak to every "victim" of crime (even when they are clearly lying!). Some people seem to think that Police Officers dont live in the communities where they work and therefore dont become victims of crime. Was it the local bobby that introduced the immigration policy? When did the police sign up to (as a country) to the restrictive human rights policy? Why do we blame the police service for everything that goes wrong in this country!!
This is becoming the most rediculous country in the world, also the biggest laughing stock of Europe. Of course these people know what they are doing. What would happen if an Englishman were to be cast out of work with no money and tried to build a camp site out of scavenged timber etc and started fishing or taking game on the banks of one of our rivers. The police would be down in force to arrest him, even for a single Englishman it would send at least three cars and a squad of bobbies.
The police should do something now before it gets too big to handle. Look at Italy.
Thank you bliar and looniegord what a wonderful job youve done of ruining this once great country.
Have these people got rod licenses, if not they should be prosecuted just like an Englishman would be. Were we to take fish and swans home for the pot our feet wouldn't touch!
This a disgrace, I cannot believe what is happening to our beautiful country, and why are the authorities turning a blind eye to what is happening. God help us if nothing is done.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Now you're being silly. The police are to busy looking for things that carry a fine. They have become tax collectors.
Of course the police aren't involved for many reasons. 1) They haven't recieved the proper training 2) This is close to a river - no training 3) wild birds involved - no training 4) politically incorrect to investigate and arrest polish/Lithuanian nationals 5) the police force of this country are totally inept and incompetent. However if Mr. Means forgot his fishing license I bet the river baliffs/Mr Plod would soon be on the scene to impound his fishing tackle and impose a hefty fine.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Please wake-up people! On this BB nearly all of you are asking where are the police? The answer, we don't have our police anymore we have political police "STASI" and their job is to protect all and any foreigner from decent ward working law abiding British people because under Nu-Lying-Loony-Labour we don't count! This is Broons nu-world-order and social mobility if Gormless-Gordon had his way, we would all be living in shacks unless you vote Labour. Why do you think he has not called an election date? Because Broon ain't going anywhere he can't face the enormity of his crimes against the people of Britain.
Blimey - this beggar belief: My son is 40 soon and I can say with assurance that is he had camped on the same spot. lit a fire - the police and counciL would fine, had he caught a swan - the police and RSPCA would be in force and rightly so. We have always been brought up to understand that swans belong to the crown - what are 'visitors' to our land and laws treated so differently. Bring back St Greorge and our respect for other cultures. My love and respect abounds for the 1950 immigrants who helped this country and still do.
Why is it possible for a reporter to get this information, and yet not possible for law to be enforced. How long has this been going on, or is it just another vote catcher?
Got to agree with M...........this country needs people who will get a grip....we are fast going down the toilet...no matter what the liberal left say we will soon be a third world country......as the Detective Inspector in the Thin Blue line say's...... our leaders are a ' wishy washy namby pamby touchy feely ' bunch of loser's. Get a leader in who does not listen to what the ' media ' say's but listen's to the people and what they want. Swan's are protected.....so protect them.
Shanty towns springing up in the UK, who would have thought? Well everyone really!
This MUST BE STOPPED. The birds are nesting and getting ready to produce young in April/May. If police can't (or won't) intervene why can't the RSPB?
Please do something to help these animals!!! This is horrendous!! This should NOT be happening.......
Welcome to New Labour's vision of the future for Britain.
I don't understand, what are the police doing about this? Why oh why do we put up with this, what is going to become of our country?
"Where are the police?" - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Busy fining English people for dropping sweetie wrappers on the pavement.
Why does "Call me Dave" not use stories and photos like this on the Tory's election posters? Could it be that they wouldn't change the situation?
Why no prosecutions?
If all tourist and holiday makers avoid the whole of East Anglia the resultant drop in incomes will force the authorities to addresss this problem. As for the police? Well this is a civil matter I suspect.
I wonder what excuse the police will come up with this time. Killing swans is very, very illegal.
Surely these people can be removed from what was a beautiful, wildlife rich area of Peterborough. They understand enough to know that killing swans is wrong and should abide by the rules of the country they have moved to. Incidently, Peterborough is not a 'market town' but a city with a wonderful cathedral.
This makes my blood boil! Just what is happening to our country? My mother is croatian and came over in the seventies to do a fashion degree, and made a successful career in fashion designing etc. Why cant all the immigrants that come over do the same and treat our country with respect and as there own!
Good old Labour - you have brought our country to this!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 You will prob find them on the roads arrested the hard working public as they try and drive home after a 12 hour day for going a couple of mph over the limit.... To scary to catch real crooks...
Somehow, I don't think we would get away with it if we went to their homeland and savaged their wild life and beauty spots. This country is being torn apart and no one is doing anything about it.
Third world Britain.
I hope all those who voted for this government are happy with what they have created.
I'm speechless!!
So when's our beloved Queen going to step in then?
What a sad and sorry place my home town has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place this country has become.
Why?
New Labour and its open Borders policy!! and they want to be re-elected not in your worsed nightmares.
I thought killing Swans was illegal - the queens' property? Carries a hefty jail term if I am not mistaken?
So why isn't anything being done about it? We really have become the laughing stock of the world and nobody but nobody seems to want to anything about it. It would not remotely surprise me if the BNP actually won the election outright because people are in complete and utter despair at all this and nobody is listening.
I'm sorry but I don't understand why local people are not up in arms about this. They should be protesting to the council, the police, the government, in large numbers. Why aren't the authorities, closing these illegal camps. Why aren't the animal protection people getting involved. There should be a large police presence every night along the waterways. Arrests should be made every night. Instead its the usual English way of wringing our hands, saying its not right and that's that. We have to learn its not racist to complain where its found that foreigners are either breaking the law or are making life intolerable for the residents. If we lived in their coountry we would be expected to respect their ways.
As much as I always swore I wouldn't, I am voting for the BNP at the election, because our current mangy thieving lot couldn't care less!
So, they're breaking the law and nothing is being done about it? Are we mad?
SICK TO THE CORE HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO THESE MAJESTIC BIRDS THEY ARE ROYAL BIRDS AND BELONG TO THE QUEEN THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
This is utterly disgraceful and where are the police in all this. What has become of this country that we allow this kind of behaviour. I thought our swans were a protected species, what is going on. That a part of the waterways meant for peoples enjoyment is a no go area is ludicrous.
Labour's Britain.
Naivity is the kindest word I can use to describe Labour's immigration policy.
Surely, it is treason to kill and eat swans. All the swans belong to the Queen. We have been tolerant for far too long. All of the immigrants living along the river should be arrested and deported immediately - no excuses. What do the people pay council tax for when the police do nothing to protect them?
Gosh!!! I didnt see this coming! What a surprise! Are you sure its true? Still at least they didnt lie on their CV and get jailed for it.
This has been going on for some time and the authorities have turned a blind eye due to them signing up to the EU and Human Rights. Now we are having an election people are taking notice. There must be something drastically wrong when people choose to live in make shift camps in a foreign country rather than live in their own country. Moreover if they are being used as cheap labour then it is false economy as the U.K has to pay for the destruction of their countryside and parks.
Immigrants should Not be in this Country unless they are or have been Working, from the EU or outside. They should be Sent home if they break the laws of this country, like we would if we were in there Country. If the government (any) can start waste of Time Wars then they have the powers to handle immigration, but they don't have will-power. Immigrants should have Work permits for 5 years,do there work for 6 months for example then go home. Employers should provide Accommodation.
Deport them straight away. Britain can't aford these scroungers
What really annoys me is people like Mathew Wright dismissing the facts as racist, on his morning program the Wright Stuff the previous day. Instead of possibly debating on how to solve the problem.
I'm from Peterborough and I can say that, although thousands of Eastern Europeans have successfully found accommodation, work, and have integrated reasonably well, there are always pockets who have not. Peterborough is used to diversity, having accepted large influxes of first Italians and then Asians in the past, and by and large there have been relatively few problems. The real issue currently is the sheer numbers of Eastern Europeans who have arrived in a very short space of time. They are nice people but the city cannot cope. The infrastructure is creaking. Schools have countless languages to deal with. Maternity units are shockingly overstretched; my pregnant sister had to wait 5 hours for a routine appointment because there was only one doctor available. It can't be argued that some of the city's beauty spots are being ruined. I would not say locals are 'scared', but I would say the overall look of these places is tarnished. Peterborough Council has its head in the sand.
These people have no right to be here, why can they not be sent home? If they can eat our wildlife and have no conscience, then what else will they do to this country?
This is what Labour and the Liberals, and the Tories (yes, the Tories too) have turned our lovely country into - something resembling a third world state. All for personal profit and greed. And if you don't live in Peterborough, fear not, this is coming to a town or city near you soon. Think very carefully how you use your vote on 6th May.
This is not just happening in Peterborough it is happening all over this country and by immigrants who are not living in sheds and shacks alongside rivers. but living in houses, I have seen them take fish myself. The lakes where I live have had to put up warning signs a few years back. This is wrong but who will stop this. Lets just call it ENRITCHMENT.
I don't see the problem. You all voted for Gordon Brown and NuLabour who wanted to bring in cheap workers from abroad, and you the voters put him in place to do this. Now you complaint these people take your jobs and have to eat to live. What did you expect of these people?
My brother lives in Peterborough, the Cathedral Square used to be a pleasant place for the elderly to sit and watch the day go by. These days the benches are apparently frequented by the unemployed Eastern Europeans, no place for the indigenous Peterbourians. There are virtual no go ares in the city , English is not heard in some parts. I grew up in Peterborough, I remember it as a quiet Market Town. I used to go day and night fishing in the very places mentioned in this report. Thanks Labour. Fortunately I was able to escape, many just have to live with your despicable policies.
Why is anyone surprised....open borders and Locals who are so afraid of offending anyone is a recipie for this kind of behavior. Instead of doing something about this problem, the locals hide in thier homes, worrying about the PC police and teriifed about getting an ASBO And come election time, they will vote for the same old parties who will do nothng except make the problem worse. As an Ex-Pat it is so sad to see Britian becoming a thirf world country, and the British to cowardly to do anything about it. Will the last person with a spine please collect the flag.
Why is this Lithuanian woman allowed to build an unsightly shack on the banks of the River Nene? If she is living off the land she is obviously killing wild life. Surely living in her own coutry would be more comfortable!! Or is it the FREE HAND OUTS she gets that makes living rough easier? I thought there were laws about littering the country side...does dhe have planning permission to collect rubbish and assemble this unsightly. Where is the toilet? is she polluting the area? You bet she is.
Thanks, Tony. A Blair legacy, indeed. Immigration? Lies, Lies and more Lies from this government. Labour = the destruction of the UK in every possible way.
The rape of Britain !
Disgusting ! So much for Blair and Browns open border policy, what is that old saying in life???, ( you can take man out of the Jungle , but you can not take the Jungle out of man ) where are the police ?? where is the council ?? hands tied because of the eu, and human rights etc etc . Why don,t the residents give the EDL A PHONE CALL,? I bet they would shift them pretty damn quick !!! It,s the local people,and the wild life who are suffering , while these Immigrants are thumbing their noses at us !! WAKE UP BRITAIN!!!
For the love of GOD,, you Brits........ GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP TO THESE PEOPLE!!! TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!!! What is wrong with you?????!! Is everyone just to drunk all the time to care or do anything??????
"16,000 new Eastern European immigrants arriving in the past five years" in Peterborough. The immigrant from Lithuania allegedly bleated: "No understand - no passport". WHY are the UK Border Agency allowing illegal immigrants to remain in Peterborough and elsewhere in the UK? If an English person were to capture a swan and cook it on an open fire in the back garden, they would quickly feel the full weight of the Law. It beggars belief that the UK has become over-run by illegal immigrants, who have no respect for British laws and carry on bleating "No understand - no passport".
Strong & swift action must be taken against these illegal & unsightly temporary shelters. The occupants must be thoroughly checked. All those illegally in the country must be immediately deported. The rest mus be made to work. They should be denied assistance, financial or otherwise, if they refuse to work. Their presence & behaviour are really disgraceful. Briton must not allow immigrants into the country without employment. Deny them all help if they refuse to work.
So, Labour is working as usual. What else!
And they are an asset to this country? How? No passport? Why in hell's name are they still here?
Oh my, what has my country become? I guarantee if it was some local lad killing swans he'd be in the nick by now.
Swans are suppose to be protected ..re.. the Queen??? Why isn`t anything being done about this Why aren`t the council doing anything to remove these theives from there...? I expect they have all our benefits too ... If we trespass we get done...so time to act ..sooner than later, before all our swans are lost.. This has been happening for far too long. Act Now.. Where`s the police on this ..doing nothing as usual.....
How about, just once, we see local British people doing something apart from just whining and whimpering. If they care so much then why not form a patrol group and I mean a big one and clear these people out and protecting British wildlife. It is time to take the law into their own hands. The "state" is not interested. Indeed, the "state" appears hell bent on destroying Britain, accusing any critics of lying and racism. Its time to take the country back but this has to be done by the people, by the British people who want their country back.
How long will the government allow this to go on. It saddens me to know how low my country has sunk. its rapidly turning into a cesspool but who do we blame?, the government or the fact that we are living by the EU rules. Come on Brown show some backbone or is this asking the impossible?.
Discraceful, WHERE ARE THE POLICE?? Absolutely no mention of police action. They should be constantly patrolling the area, arresting the perpetrators, moving on the 'gangs' drinking alcohol and they should tear down the 'camps' along this public walkway. Perhaps if they had these deterrents, they wouldn't have the problems. Its not unreasonable to expect that a lovely riverside walk is kept safe for people to use and that it's wildlife and nature are guarded so that many folk can take pleasure in observing it. By their cruelty and destruction, these immigrants are showing a flagrant disregard and disrespect for the local area and the people in the community. The police know they are there and the crimes they are committing - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Killing the most beautiful of birds - the Swan. Wicked and disgusting, apart from which every Swan in this country belongs to the Queen.
Where are the police? A regular patrol of the area would surely drastically reduce incidents.
Where are the police??
What is wrong with this country that we allow this kind of intolerable situation to occur? Not only do we let in countless numbers of immigrants, which means that our small country's population is totally out of control, employment for our own people is threatened, we now have this kind of absolutely vile, sick behaviour being committed. How on earth can these people get away not only with living in shacks in such a beautiful area but also intimidating the locals and slaughtering our wildlife? It's absolutely insane and our government urgently needs to rectify this inexcusable situation. If our own people were to live like this, in shacks, threatening and intimidating other people and slaughtering wildlife I'm sure they'd be dealt with appropriately and prosecuted as necessary. There's no excuse for not doing the same with immigrants of this kind and for being too "politically correct" and phlegmatic to bother to do anything about it.
Same thing was happening in the park in my old home town four years ago before we left for a better life.
The people of Peterborough should get together and sue the Goverment for this mess that has been visited on them
I am in tears reading yet another report on them eating swans. That pic is awful. For heavens sake, please go home and leave our swans alone.
These people very clearly know they are doing wrong and I bet in their own towns and cities such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and would meet a far harsher response than any here. Those who come here and want to work and contribute should be welcomed. Those who want to come and scrounge, break the law and act like animals should not be given any second chances. If the EU doesn't like it, why should we care? Our European 'partners' overlook the laws they dislike why should we cow to every one?
Whilst I don't condone what these people are doing they are at least using the swans and fish for food and not just indulging in wanton destruction.
Sometime soon people are going to take the law into their own hands. Why do residents have to put up with these ignorant peasants and the mess they leave behind?
When the countryside of the U.K has been ruined will the Political parties decide enough is enough and stop pitching in the U.K? Glad i now live in Australia!!
Peterborough has a conservative member of parliament.
Trouble on the horizon. Wake up!
Still, never mind. Just keep voting Lib-Lab-Con as you always have done........
So let me get this right . . . the gov't will be going through your trash cans and fining you if you haven't recycled properly, but they WILL turn a blind eye to emigrants (of all kinds) destroying your countryside, squatting in people's homes whom have lost their wallets, and furnishing mansions to people on welfare who haven't paid a dime into the system. Sounds like California!
The laws in this country are for EVERYONE and yes, that includes immigrants who must see us as an easy touch. We need to toughen up, and tell them to stick to our laws.
What the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't do it , so why are we letting them do it....... Swans are part of our culture and it's just not the done thing.
Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park Welcome to the Lib/lab/com EU run Britain!!!!......To people of Peterborough and everywhere else......use your votes wisely!!!! It is OUR lives and money at stake!!!!
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
in all seriousness these people need to be moved on (and if they can prove they have been killing swans, arrested).
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
Does Peterborough have a police force? and if so what are they doing?
Please, UK, take your country back!
I used to go to nene valley as a child and it was lovely, nice and fun, thank to these selfish people who want to live here , they are ruining the countryside for later generations, get the police to move them as it must be illegal to just set up home here
Why is this allowed to go on?
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
We experienced all this in Edmonton , Pymmes Park and the Lee Valley Park 10 years ago .
Thanks Bliar and Brown this country will end up a barren wasteland with no wild life.
Where are the Police to stop this? Too busy filling in forms, I suppose. Lithuanians I have met were educated, charming and decent people who would be appalled by this
What is GOING ON IN TH UK. I am getting really really angry.
Have I been transported to another planet without my knowledge!!
BLAIR/BROWN legacy.
What is happening to our country?
How dreadful. Something must be done to save the swans.
Oh my God.......
Swans are Royal Property...? no? Amazing they are allowed to live beyond the law while we are jumped on and fined for dropping an apple core.
Hey, where are all the animal rights heroes now?
Many thanks B&B - what another fine mess you've got the UK into. Enough is enough, Britain needs to be led by someone with the balls to get immigration under control - bring back Thatcher!!!
Where are the police?
What are the Police doing to stop this kind of vandalism.
I thought all Swans belong to the Queen, and killing them is effectively treason.
this is disgusting
So where are the police ?
Totally disgusting.
We wouldnt dream of eating beautiful swans even if starving, how dare they do it.
Could someone explain exactly what we pay the Police and councils for ? Have a sweet wrapper blow out of your car window .............
This is ridiculous.
How long will be allowed to go on.
No mention of the police then?
When you ask people to go back, does it include the doctors and nurses in the NHS as well? - Buddha , London, United Kingdom, 09/8/2013 21:42 If they are illegal ? YES.
The graph looks a silhouette of Abe Simpson, Homer Simpson's father from the cartoon series and both the male and female populations look very similar.
Brilliant, the richest countries in the world have the largest amount of people living their. USA, China, Japan, Germany. Also, with the millions of people reaching retirement age, I'd rather be living in the UK where there looks to be plenty of workers to support the OAP's, rather than Germany, where it appears that the workers will have to be taxed to death.
When you ask people to go back, does it include the doctors and nurses in the NHS as well?
db "Humans that should be in their own countries, not mine" Really? Does this also apply to the millions of Brits who have emigrated around the world in the last 500 years, and all their descendents?
The fact you traveled through countless safe countries to get here also proves you weren't genuine but then you don't care about that do you - sS2 , salford, United Kingdom, 09/8/2013 10:46 It was a direct flight. So your comment is completely invalid.
Its all right, the minority elite in this country is and shall remain 99.9 % white, they will make sure of that bit.
......and no end to it in sight.
The rest of the world are only here for the same reason as the 10 kids-by-10 dads and welfare brigade.....its all free! (If you know how to play the game that is!). And still people suffering inspire of all the welfare reforms. Can't scrap benefits....there would be anarchy...we'd all starve...kill each other in protest....or maybe no money coming in would sharpen people's focus and give people a reason to stop moaning and get to work.
That's exactly why nothing works any more and everything's falling apart - too many people!!
Legohead, - how do you come to that conclusion when well over 90% of the land in britain are open spaces, and only 1 percentage is urban?
Three years ago , a government report stated that the UK population would not reach 70 million until 2050 , and here we are in 2013 with 63.7 million . We now have two large problem at hand , one , how do we reduce our £1.3 trillion debt , and two , how do we increase our infrastructure over night to service a population of 70 million . The answer is , its impossible with the caliber of the people we have in the house of commons at the moment .
db are you serious? So no-one should ever move to another country ever? What an odd thing to suggest.
There isn't enough land, there aren't enough houses, our vital services, roads and transport infrastructure can barely cope, yet somehow we're supposed to fit millions and millions more on this island? Eventually the whole of this beautiful country will be concreted over and covered in tower blocks, and it'll be a minimum 48 hour wait at A&E. Thankfully I'll be long gone by then, but those celebrating this as a benefit to our economy need to wake up and smell the coffee.
They,ve created a Monster,...and its outta control
Terry, you do realise people need houses, do you want people to never have babies? Pretty sure that would be the end of the human race....doesn't really matter if theres green fields then.
Dave, 13:37 = Humans that should be in their own countries, not mine.
Its the kind of people who are having many babies I object to. The ones who take and have no intention of ever being a part of Britain .We have our own Jeremy Kyle losers, now we have the rest of the worlds. Multiple children when you say you have no money, should not be paid for by us. Not going to end well. London apart from the very centre, is getting really run down and ugly. Not good.
Concrete over a lot more fields for housing and supporting infrastructure and import more food. This and previous governments policy in a nutshell!
Guess where the best benefits are. - Phil, Essex, 9/8/2013 11:19 The answer to that is Norway.
ab - I'm pretty sure its human beings who are having the babies, unless you know different.
Theres plenty of room, well over 90% of the UK is open spaces.
db - I know who's having the babies, human beings. That's how the human race survives.
Ashyurt, 10:30 = Go home and sort your own problems out, this is not your country.
The amount of jetsam and flotsam washing up on our shores will one day sink us.
Dave, 10:58 = Its about who is having the babies have you not got that yet thick boy.
Of course! Everyone from Europe is flooding the UK, so it makes sense the boost is here and not there. It doesn't take a scientist to guess this
Of course we can cope you miserable lot, how do other countries cope with much larger populations. Stop being so defeatest.
The population of this country have being saying this for years but then we know nothing because we are not in government but mainly because we are not IDIOTS. It has been said all the time those in government get into the real world.
I am sorry to say it but the only way to level the population is another world war. Just think what the population of the world would be now if there had been no world wars.
There's no more room!!
I've seen many of the comments running toward, "Sorry, we're full up"; so as I poked around and looked up population density statistics, it's occured to me that the issue London - and other major metro areas - face is the Green Belt, which serves as an artificial constraint on growth. For example, London could accomodate at least twice its current population if the Green Belt were eliminated and the surrounding areas consolidated into the Greater London Metroplex. As an example, I'll cite the Tokyo Urban Area, home to 36 million people. That's half the population of the U.K. in one place. Likewise, the population needs to be spread out a bit as well; there's plenty of room up North, so perhaps setlling people in and around the Greater London area isn't such a good idea. Just something to ponder upon.
Population replacement.
EU going to sink us. Stop all this NOW!
What a load of rubbish these charts are. In 1956 the UK population was 56.5 million according to the map displayed in every school classroom in the country, the chart indicates a population of 57.8 million in 1992, nonsense. The population is now at an unsustainable level of 93.7 million not 63.7 million the 6 is conveniently upside down like the rest of the country, VOTE UKIP !!
Is it any wonder the NHS is in danger of total collapse.....Also the Gas,Water, and Electricity supplies !!
paulsmith, sheffield, United Kingdom, 9/8/2013 12:38------Folks, why doesn't Paul set the trend and leave asap?.....(!)
This is just the official figures of those registered, counting add 1 to 2 million more with those living in sheds under bridges hiding in Chinese takeaways. Peterbourgh, Crewe and Southport are more like Polish cities today.And my precious sheffield is fast going the same way. Its a disgrace.
No comment....tongue's stuck in cheek...
Folks, remember its the younger generation of tax payers who will keep You in Your old age, so our message is don't bite the hand that will feed You.....(!)
Think how lovely Britain would be if it was just 30 million
People have babies its how the human race survives. - Dave Davies, derby, United Kingdom, 9/8/2013 12:17 And if we continue to breed at this rate.The human race will not survive.We must start to realize that nature has boundaries we must respect for our sole survival
After all Britain created the 'global world', why not deal with it? The global world is your baby, simples.
Oh yes Anne,(12.01) I'm really grateful all these people are coming here indirectly creating new housing estates in once green countryside, straining an already strained infrastructure and generally costing more than they contribute. Won't be much left for my pension you silly woman. Yes I am so grateful.
Thank you Blair and Brown for stretching our Services to their limits , and providing no plan to power the country for the next ten years !
thanks to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who opened the gate and forgot to bloody shut it!! - Grizzle, Glasgow, United Kingdom, 8/8/2013 14:49 Did I miss something, but I thought they had been out of office for 3 years. Time Tories too; responsibility for their failings. Silly me Tories don't do responsibility only blame.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. I think the wrong side won WW2
People have babies its how the human race survives.
Obviously our Politian¿s have decided the trouble with Britain is the British. Their idea: breed us out of existence. With leaders like these, we don¿t need enemies.
Tony Bliar and his cohorts must be clapping their little pinkies with joy!
Glad we left and emigrated to New Zealand 5 years ago.
Given that the UK has an aging population and low birth rate, we should be grateful that people are coming here to work and pay taxes, thus funding our pensions and care in the future.
so our Government must really hate us?
The country is not big enough we are all living on top of each other as it is and the roads are a joke driving .. Too many people
We haven't enough housing schools etc for the current population, we should close the borders NOW
What's the true figures ??????
they all live in a one bedroomed flat at the bottom of my road...
What is the dam point in trying to save the wildlife and it's eco system when we have arrogant politicians allowing the population to run out of control.The human activity is indeed guilty of all the problem we have in Britian.We need to have a population that is in line with what nature can cope with.And by looking at the enviourmental disasters we are experiencing.Our population is has violated nature's boundaries by as much as times as much.The human population should be around the 8 million mark,maximum to sustain a healthy independent life.We are now in downfall,and we should not be surprized by this
BORDER CONTROL!! that is the key answer. Stop letting in more mouths to feed. We got enough people over here already who are in need of work! Going by the statistics, no one else is so why should we!
And stretch public services further. I hope nobody is expecting me to be happy with this news.
These are the people paying your pensions, tending your aged and sick, working in your farms in early winter mornings! get a massive grip you moaners! - smith , forestland, Saint Lucia, 09/8/2013 11:21 What a load of tosh! These are the people who come here to work to SEND THE MONEY HOME! If they weren't here tending our sick, there would be jobs for our young people to train and become nurses, and then there are those who come for the free medical aid and to have their babies at our expense, so the few that might actually pay something into the economy is miniscule to what they TAKE! And what is it to do with you, if you're not here, anyway.
No surprise there then, R.I.P UK
Our Country is lost forever.
"These are the people paying your pensions, - smith, forestland" - Not according to the governments own figures and what happens when they get old, this is an island and not a continent, think!
Shut the borders NOW ! or is it too late ?
Clearly, Britain is doing something wrong if we have the highest birth rate in all of Europe. Breeding at the current rate is unsustainable: we don't have the land, public services, taxpayers' money or tolerance to accomodate millions more people. Why is it currently fashionable for young women to have at least 3 kids under the age of 5!? Anti social. It's got to stop.
And don't we know it!!!!
Stop letting people in. Stop supporting families that make no attempt to look after themselves and do nothing but pump out children that will grow up with the same attitude and expect everything to be given to them on a plate.
Thanks Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Ballsup and Nu labour, please please please don't forget who is responsible for this at election time!
No chance that the feeble liberal,EU Dave, could ever be pursuaded to send a notice to every rubbishy country in the world that this country is FULL. No room for any more. Many who are here already really shouldn't be.
These are the people paying your pensions, tending your aged and sick, working in your farms in early winter mornings! get a massive grip you moaners!
In 4 or 5 years time they will complaining about a shortage of school places as they have closed / merged so many schools. They need to start building new schools now, not in 4 years time.
Guess where the best benefits are.
I agree that the UK is really overcrowded; it is very sad to see..... but you can't on one hand complain about people coming to your country and then maintain your right to occupy other countries (ie. the Falklands, Iraq, Ulster); The UK should consolidate - pull out of all these places (that if anything are a drain on the UK) & kick out the people in the UK that should not be there.... Look at the Germans for example - they've consolidated and their population is actually going down! England will be finished in 20 years if radical measures aren't implemented now
vote ukip and never give british passports its that simple then we will have control of our country
WHATS THE BETTING THE BBC HARDLY MENTIONS THIS ? TRULY TERRIFYING. I ABSOLUTELY HATE WHAT THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME, THE CESSPIT OF THE WORLD.
This is very very very scary.
One wonders whether any of the present crop of parliamentarians will read this and actually do something about the stupidity of the 'grow the population' philosophy; methinks not one has got the BALLS1 It's patently obvious that we cannot afford to continue the norm of paying women to have children for whom there will no jobs when they become adults. We cannot now, afford an efficient health service, we cannot afford to educate the kids properly, we cannot afford to provide all the social care for discarded children (a growing number who are the offspring of parents who didn't really want them, except the taxpayers' grants gratefully received), and of course we cannot find them jobs to do. It's patently obvious to any right-thinking person WE DO NOT NEED TO GROW THE POPULATION, but you tell that to the politicians! Bobby, Leicester
Cameron did a great job of addressing this didn't he? NOT! If we don't get our country back I really fear for a violent future.
Lets all be miserable because people are having children. What a strange breed the DM readers are.
"I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 8/8/2013 15:10" If YOUR COUNTRY hadn't interfered with MY COUNTRY in helping Khamenei gain power during the Iranian Revolution, I wouldn't be here, trust me on that. - Ashyurt , london, United Kingdom, 09/8/2013 10:30 =I think you will find the French are to blame for that.
- Samette, Belfast, 9/8/2013 10:26 - I'd keep quiet if I were you orf Northern Ireland will be like England where, in some parts, it's "Spot the Englishman"
"If YOUR COUNTRY hadn't interfered with MY COUNTRY in helping Khamenei gain power during the Iranian Revolution, I wouldn't be here, trust me on that.- Ashyurt, london" - The fact you traveled through countless safe countries to get here also proves you weren't genuine but then you don't care about that do you
- Ashyurt, london, United Kingdom, 9/8/2013 10:30 - If you feel that way about MY COUNTRY, why in God's name are you here?
Why is this not surprising!!! 420,000....now tell us how many of the 420,000 receive benefits that they wouldn't get in their own country???? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have a lot to answer for...they have left this country in a shocking state all to buy votes and keep them in power. Ukip...is the way forward if we are ever to survive as a credible nation in the world arena.
This is Labour's mess in most people's opinion, and Labour's success in their own opinion. Labour and Lib Dem voters must be extremely happy about these numbers while the rest of us knew what was happening and Blair lied to us yet again. Anyone surprised??
Wasn't it only 2 months ago that Cameron was in India trying to get more to come here?
So by 2027 and projected 70m population, "commentators" believe that housing, transport, utilities, education and the NHS will be severely stretched. Are they kidding??? They are all severely stretched NOW!
"I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 8/8/2013 15:10" If YOUR COUNTRY hadn't interfered with MY COUNTRY in helping Khamenei gain power during the Iranian Revolution, I wouldn't be here, trust me on that.
And this, a small Island!! What will happen first - will we sink or will there be so many people rubbing shoulders with one another that mayhem will ensue. I rather think the latter and then we will have the labour government blaming the conservatives and so on and so on. We need a strong, fearless Government who will do the right thing for this once wonderful country. We don't want schools bursting at the seams, hospital incapable of looking after patients and green fields being decimated to build houses for people we do not want or need.
Some Primary Schools in Northern Ireland have recently closed down because there was not enough pupils in some parts of the country to justify the running costs!
IT REALLY IS TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KIMSHI We are overpopulated, in debt, we have millions of home gown jobless not enough schools, not enough hospitals, not enough houses and still we import more. This has to be some sort of plot, I don't believe even our politicians are this stupid.
Wonder why they all come to the UK Could it possibly be the welfare grants and NHS....hmmm! Oh and the fact that you can commit crime and get free lodgings if you were unlucky enough to get convicted for it. Lets face it most get a slap and walk away, much better than the country they came from. It's pathetic!
Overpopulation is a more immediate threat than climate change to these islands its just that the politicians haven't figured out a way to tax us and pocket some money out of it yet.
The biggest problem facing mankind. OVER POPULATION. Noone on , other than David Attenborough, wishes to discuss this giant issue. Why? Smaller families will be first on the agenda to be discussed.
"The population in Britain is rising more steeply than anywhere else in Europe, according to official estimates yesterday. Numbers rose by almost 420,000 in a year, driven by the highest birth rate since 1972." - - - - - Lies, lies lies. And the true figure is, no-one really knows. Could be double or quadruple that amount. The coalition have no appetite to curb the influx and close borders. Liebore allowed them to flood in en masse, the Liberals want more. What chance have our children got?
I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 8/8/2013 15:10 Well I have NO PROBLEM sharing MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD
Yuk!
I can see why they would go to Belgium. There's so much space there, unlike here. There's a lot of room in Scotland though.
It is called 'gerrrymandering' and is a deliberate policy. The more modern phrase is Demographic Manipulation - the deliberate changing and shifting of populations in order achieve a desired political result................. but the risks are enormous...... It is what wasonce carried out in Northern Ireland for decades and it led to thirty years of political violence...........
I'd like to see the true figures. I bet it's more like 65.000.000
The Welfare State. When it is financially advantageous to have more and more children. Insanity why do we pay people to have children when the no. 1 problem in the world is population growth. If you want a child or children please do so but surely it is better for them and you if the child is planned & wanted & will be loved for themselves not for the financial rewards given by the state. Parents can spend this extra money on anything but the child.........and many do. They wouldn't have the children without the extra financial assistance how is this good for the child we are just storing up problems for both them and us. Quite horrific really.
But last month it was down?!?!?! How can that be, are we being lied to? :)
I've heard politicians use the excuse that we need incomers now, to work and pay pensions to today's pensioners. But one day, those incomers will be pensioners themselves, and so even more incomers will be needed to pay THEIR pensions and so the madness continues for ever....
What is the percentage of babies born to parents who were born in the UK for the year mentioned?
Most of these new arrivals are from the newer EU States and that organisation is still going full speed ahead on expansion plans. Cameron, end free movement of labour in your forthcoming negotations, if Merkel will allow you, OR, voters out there, vote for the UK to leave the EU, and ignore the threats of a doomed Britain from America and Japan, et al.
Benefits must end. State aid of any kind should be stopped. People should make their own provisions. This will never happen because the elites,politicians, BBC etc. won't be able to cream off millions for themselves
Whatever, 3:21 = This is my country my ancestry is from this country its those from bongo bongo land and eastern europe that do not belong here.
100 years on will say and that's why children we no longer have politics they couldn't be trusted to run the country.
No wonder our national debt stays the same ask liberal cameroon what his intentions are nothing but hot air
This makes a mockery of the "green" agenda as each new person is another carbon producer; this country is already reaching water stress particularly in the South East; we already import in excesses of 50% of our needs in food and goods; we generate very little real wealth; an unstable world with potentially massive migration to these shores. Conclusion, conflict within a decade.
Not only does the UK except the 'Bongo Bongo land" inhabitants in to the UK but the UK also sends aid to 'Bongo Bongo lands" so they can spend it on space research. When the inhabitants of 'Bongo Bongo land" does not have basic amenities
Want to stop it>? Vote UKIP
And they have all come to live in Ipswich - Tich, Ipswich, United Kingdom, 09/08/2013 08 If it was not for in comers , places like Ipswich would be even more depressed that they are now .
One comment said child benefits were born after the second world war to re populate. Odd isn't it.When we needed children after the war child benefits were only for the second child,and the first born didn't qualify until the middle of the '70's. and then 25 new pence per child...and now .........
To be perfectly honest,, after reading all these rational and fair minded comments, I'm going to ask my girlfriend if we can have baby number five. I'm sure the £13.40 a week in Child Benefit will make it all financially worthwhile.
Its over now for the UK this government and the last under the evil Tony lier made sure of that , and what do we the people do NOTHING. You cant go anywhere with out seeing cars and people the country is on brink of natural disaster with water and food and land.We are silly to allow this to happen we need to vote with feet and write to the MPs over this , ask me again why do i pay my tax ?
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW ! BEFORE ITS TOO LATE .
The UK population was 56million in 1976 and 63million in 1983.
Very worrying indeed
MASS PROTESTS IN EVERY CITY- ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WILL LISTEN- YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!
Thanks Labour. This is your legacy.
MASS PROTESTS IN EVERY CITY- ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WILL LISTEN- YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!
MASS PROTESTS IN EVERY CITY- ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WILL LISTEN- YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!
MASS PROTESTS IN EVERY CITY- ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY WILL LISTEN- YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!
Blairs turned Britain into Bongo Bongo land
And more !!!!
Plus the ones they don't know about.
Why do they keep telling us the bleeding obvious. You let millions of extra people into the Country they have kids. Population explosion dosent take a genius to work that one out. The worse part is they will do anything about it.
pffft, the real population here is over 100million, this country is quite claustrophobic in many places and the demographic has completely changed. to be british means nothing in britain.
It's the end of the UK as we know it. Ruined by self serving politicians who ignored the will of the people they're supposed to serve. And guess what - the people were right. RIP UK.
There you are Dave: there is something we lead Europe in doing? Pity it's the opposite of what we need.
And they have all come to live in Ipswich
Yet again we see many people here seem to have xenophobic veiw this matter, we need more young people who will pay tax in the future to look after the old people for a start.
And whilst people continue to vote for Labour, Libdem or tory it will continue for evermore. UKIP is the way forward.
And that's the ones they know about, how many more
Dont worry it will be centuries before the country is full to overflowing. - dingo , perth w.a, 09/8/2013 09:07 ---------------------------------------- Dingo, get real and don't be a Drongo!!!
'Of course we can cope you miserable lot, how do other countries cope with much larger populations. Stop being so defeatest. - Dave Davies, derby, United Kingdom' How do other countries cope? Try doing a bit of geography and compare the population and land area of, say, France with that of Britain - any clues there?
Cameron is still letting them in at an alarming rate,we all need to vote UKIP and stop this nonsense. If UKIP do not win the next election it is the British people's fault for not voting UKIP and we can say good bye to our country!
Thank goodness young people want to come and live here and pay taxes . It is the only way we will have any chance of continuing to pay the state pension and provide care for our old people in the future . - George , London, 09/8/2013 08:56 Just wondering how many people we will need to invite in 50 years to provide pensions? Reminds me of the pyramid scams that were around about 10 years ago, if you were in at the beginning you got something, if not it was hard luck.
My Brain - Peterborough: That is just a Pyramid Scheme! Can't you see that? The UK is a tiny place and the usable land area is even smaller. As overcrowding increases, the quality of life falls (unless you are very rich). We need a plan now to get the population down to a manageable level (probably pre 1970s ). Anyone who espouses differently is sadly lacking in basic arithmetic skills. - SRS, London, 9/8/2013 15:47 --------------------------- Agreed! According to my school geography text book (published 1936), 'Great Britain will be economically full when the population reaches 45,000,000'. It seems a plan is needed to get shot of about 25,000,000 at least. Only God can manage that!
The international definition of gen-0cide includes... (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Surely this covers deliberately shipping in populations with a high birth rate into a country whose own population has a low birth rate? It appears that our leaders have deliberately set out to destroy the British and their culture once and for all. - David, Manchester, 8/8/2013 16:59=====================The NWO are doing the same to the USA. If you want to save your nation state, you will have fight for it. , they are out to change the old world order to suit themselves.
=- english Speaker, England - Do you understand why Pyramid Schemes are illegal??
=- Dave davis, DERBY - i Do hope you were being deliberately stupid to provoke A reaction. If you are serious and wandering around DERBY, i hope someone who knows you Sees this and Can get you the Help you need.
67.3 millions? You can double that which would make it nearer the actual figure.....
Dont worry it will be centuries before the country is full to overflowing.
You know what happens when animals start to live in overcrowded pens. - Sir English Toff, East Anglia, United Kingdom, 08/08/2013 03:29 PM There is plenty of room particularly in places like East Anglia and the North . We do need to encourage more in comers to move out of London though to places like Norfolk , Suffolk and Lincolnshire which need regeneration
Traitors.
SO wrong....tax breaks and Child Benefit were born out of the need to repopulate after the war, surely it's time this was recognised and the benefits STOPPED, after all, we seem to be rather overpopulated now, so why continue pay to produce children???!!
What concerns me mostly is that so many UK born white people are leaving the country as soon as they possibly can. This may be good for Labour votes (thanks mainly to the evil Blair), but for the country, it is an absolute disaster and without a political group prepared to do anything which would change the situation.
Close the gates. NOW. Accept no one else till we have worked through the back log of appeals and actually made some room for the next batch!!!
Thank goodness young people want to come and live here and pay taxes . It is the only way we will have any chance of continuing to pay the state pension and provide care for our old people in the future .
Stop child benefit now! Or limit it. Too many large families, who ignore family planning as they know the tax payer will support them. Too much using children for extra income, larger houses etc. The country is over populated so no need to give further assistance for adding to the population.
UKIP
=- michael Worsley, Lancashire - you Have hit on A very real truth!And, given that france has A huge infrastructure to Support because of its size (roads, decent railways, tunnels, etc etc) One has to ask, where has ALL our money gone?
Heeeeeeelp,I can't move !
and people don't want to vote UKIP?...I am astounded!
How many are British that`s the real Question.
Vote UKIP if you value the UK! Voting for the liblabcons will give you more of the same anti UK policies.
My Brain - Peterborough: That is just a Pyramid Scheme! Can't you see that? The UK is a tiny place and the usable land area is even smaller. As overcrowding increases, the quality of life falls (unless you are very rich). We need a plan now to get the population down to a manageable level (probably pre 1970s ). Anyone who espouses differently is sadly lacking in basic arithmetic skills.
It has been predicted that by 2050 the white population of the UK will be a minority thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron all traitors and should be tried for it.
Oh quick I saw some green fields yesterday if that Nick Boles sees them they'll be gone.
So what happens when there is no more room because the way we are going our Country will grind to a halt - you cannot travel anywhere now without getting held up - whats it going to be like in 20 yrs time - agree with Peter from Sutton - the only way to stop this growth is to vote UKIP
Tony Blair.... THIS IS YOUR LEGACY...! I hope you're proud. Traitor.
You've missed a trick there DM - why not blame the NHS for making us all live longer and having all those pensioners put a drain on the benefits bill. Go on - you know you want to -
We are a tiny tiny country. We could really do with halving the population not doubling it!!! To those who say that we need a bigger population to pay for the elderly, that is just a Pyramid Scheme! Pensioners entered into a social contract with the government that they would invest their National Insurance money wisely to provide for their health and pension needs. If successive governments have turned this into a pyramid scam, then we need Nuremburg-style trials to bring them to justice.
No surprise - a thought - over 1 million people attend an English football league match each weekend during the football season (premiership / championship / leagues 1 & 2). If our population is said to be about 60m, this means 1 in 60 people attend these football matches - really. I think not. How about 1 in a hundred or 1 in 120. As the Americans would say - I'll let you do the math.
We are told we need more people to boost the economy and pay for pensions etc, but they will grow old one day too and will need yet more people to look after them. So the whole thing is a pyramid scheme. The only rational way forward is a stable population.
How can they have any idea of who leaves? No one at the euro tunnel has ever asked to see my passport when I leave
All the time, strain on housing, schools, welfare, NHS etc becomes greater. This really is broken Britain.
It is just sheer insanity, the NHS is under extreme pressure and will eventually collapse.
It's depressed me this article does no one in government see the heart ache this is causing its own people we are being bread out in years to come the word BRITISH will be just in history books. Please vote UKIP whenever you can
Last night the BBC news said that our population growth was "the envy of Europe".- Rob, Someret, 9/8/2013 6:53>>>>>>>>>>>BBC=Brussels Broadcasting Company. If that is so why cant we let Europe have them? Oh I forgot not quite so lucrative for them in Europe is it. And of course it is the UK they want to bring to is knee's not mainland Europe.
This is what happens when you pay people to have kids.
We keep them all, joke on us chaps!!!!
Very soon, someone will pull their finger from the Dam walls and the consequences will be huge.
The British government time and again have committed treason against the people. I would bring hanging back for treason, Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg would be first on the list.
The economic reality is, that as the number of retirees in this country increases significantly over the next decade or three, this country needs a huge increase in the number of younger people in order to cover their costs. That's working people, not just more to add to the unemployed and put stress on education, the NHS and housing.
If they are of a certain religious group, they will NEVER see themselves as 'British'. We all know it, we're just not allowed to say it...
Blair should be captured and crucified!
Start sending them back
It makes sense when you consider Britain supports and pays jobless and non speaking English parents to make babies
We should practice sleeping in an upright position for that is what we will have to do before long.......
The assumption seems to be that having more babies in a Europe which is seeing population growth nose-dive is a bad thing but if you look at the figures none of this is saying that our birth rate is a problem. It is actually still VERY low but the article doesn't really give any proper conclusions because the readership will latch onto pseudo-fact presentation in the usually negative way they seem to do. If you look at the blue/pink graph of population by age and sex there is an alarming shortage from newborn to about the age of 20 which coincides with the ramping up of the housing market through the credit crunch collapse and years since with the worst being age ten. Now look at the 40-50 year old volume. When they are all retiring those 10-20 year olds will have to pay more tax to support them, or, as has been already announced, everyone will have to work until they are 75! Now do you see why we let so many people move here? And we didn't pay for their schooling either.
The 3 major parties have proved that they are simply not willing to take the necessary steps to stop this country grinding to a halt due to our services and infrastructure being utterly hammered. Vote UKIP
Please STOP the abuse of Britain by these people!!!
Nanuk, you`re falling for the it`s all Labours fault guff. Have you seen a sharpening up of our border protection since the tories took over? Half a million appeals still outstanding! They can`t keep blaming LAbour forever, and they are still tipping out the back of the lorries. Still, that was a nice van they sent around..................not.
We probably could cope with the current population - in about 10 years time, but then, at this population increase rate, in 10 years time Britain will have EXPLODED / IMPLODED & SUNK..
We desperately need a government that will deal with this massive overcrowding & dilution of our British way of life. For goodness sake people, vote UKIP.
So, have all the MailOnline readers emigrated yet? Come on, get a move on!
And we wonder why the NHS isn't coping, its not difficult really....
It will not be war that destroys the UK, but the decisions and policies of our governments.......shameful!!
In the words of Private Fraser from Dad's Army said 'WE'RE ALL DOOMED." I'm emigrating to Bongo.
Thanks DM for the stats. Perhaps now people can wake up to the fact that we are at a critical level. The government must get this problem sorted without delay.
The country has been shafted for years as anybody who lives near the M62 corridor will testify. No wonder my 2 children want to emigrate at the first opportunity, and who can blame them?
I would be interested in the nationality of parents of children born in this country. The government must have these figures. Come on DM reporters
Your comments: Just the unintelligent, uninformed comments I have grown to expect from DM readers. What miserable lives you must all lead. No I don't claim benefits, I have a well paid job.and enjoy my life in my beloved homeland. But I do work with those less fortunate and I have been able to and have the intelligence to understand the full picture.
They can have as many babies as they like in their own country with no help from us.
Rubbish! They have no idea how many people are in this country. The figures have been proven to be little more than a pie in the sky guesses.
Great Britain isn't that great anymore due to opening the doors too all
No one seems to mention birth control here. The rest of the world will have to act like China. The G8 need to put this at the top of their agenda. Yes, the human race may breed, but it must not overbreed.
Does this include the shed populaton of Southall?
I find the D M dont print most of my comments ,I Think they may be a little radical,
Well if you put down a welcome mat and pay people to come her and do nothing the population is bound to increase rapidly. G Bartholomew East Sussex
doesnt sound good news to me
And they are just the ones we know about.
When will those traitors BLiar and McBroon be arrested? Remember voting sheep that Miliband, Balls and Ballsette were part of the gang that opened the floodgates for 13 years.
Keep blaming Blair and Brown if you must but Cameron and his ilk have done little to stop the flow.
I find it a little odd that 10% of women of child bearing age can all give birth in one year. Are you sure our population is 63 million?
I don't care about this country any more. It's a terrible thing to say but there doesn't seem to be any hope for it. Too many people are stupid and apathetic and still vote liblabcon, I've lost all motivation and am now just looking after myself and my family.
The economic reality is, that as the number of retirees in this country increases significantly over the next decade or three, this country needs a huge increase in the number of younger people in order to cover their costs. Why don't people get this, as all the political parties seem to....
I'm so sad about the state of my beautiful country I don't want to leave but will have to if it carries on this way I want my children to be in a safe environment when they grow up
thanks to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who opened the gate and forgot to bloody shut it!! - Grizzle, Glasgow, United Kingdom, 08/08/2013 13:49 Hard to forget something that's been Nailed open!
The D M seldom print my stuff ,,, I think I may be a LITTLE too radical,,,......Does this happen to you ? If so just tick me UP ,,,
Nearly a million babies a year. Children have turned into cash cows for those turning them out and a huge financial burden on those that don't.
Cameron must hate all this about overseas aid. And Bongo land. He and his front bench must have thought they had been handed a golden opportunity when Godfrey Bloom referred to Bongo Bongo land to discredit UKIP. But in fact the stories are coming out about how millions of pounds give away is wasted, not on the poor of that country but as in this instance space exploration! It brought to the fore the wasted BILLIONS of pound this government gives away mean while our own country suffers. Nice one Cameron in the end you handed UKIP a golden opportunity!!!
Another reason to vote UKIP
How bad is it going to get before we stop letting in any more people who don't contribute to the system but take benefits, housing and health. We can't afford it. Wake up Cameron.
thanks to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who opened the gate and forgot to bloody shut it!! - Grizzle, Glasgow,--------------------------------They did not forget - this is part of a UN initiative to mix populations and dilute the influence of the west. Which of course suits the EU in its plan for a pan European state but why oh why are our politicians dancing to their tune. Traitors were once dealt with severely!
I find that the best way of finding out who lives in your town IS, go to the areas supermarkets ,look at thepeople in the store and you have a VERY good idea of the ethnisity of the people living in the area ,,,Same goes when buying a house ,,...what a shock....
The BBC news report on the subject last night was an absolute PC disgrace.
Yep and with them they bring lawlessness and diseases that were once eradicated from our society
It will not be long before England is described as bongo bongo land
Why don't you print something the people are not aware of......Anyone with half a brain knows that the people in Britain can hardly breath for the amount of population you have........You keep saying you need more housing.. WRONG, you need less people in this Tiny, tiny little Island, you don't have Infrastructure for the amount of vehicles on the roads, everything is so crowded you cant move....... In fact you don't have enough of anything due to the amount of PEOPLE you have
If it's any consolation the whole world is sitting on the edge of ruin, not just the UK, Anyone who thinks mankind can carry on this way has their head in the sand.
People are moving here. Get over it!
and this is a surprise - quit the UK 10 years ago and would not go back if you paid me............. Far too many people in a small space if any major incident happened there would be too many people to deal with.
When you compare the physical size of our country to other European countries, we are so much smaller, yet we take more in, it's a wonder we have floor space for so many. It would make more sense to base the amount of people allowed in by the square footage of a country, we are being suffocated.
Every baby born is a little bundle of love brought into the world, whatever colour.
I have commented to people on many occasions that we will soon feel the wet under our feet (not from the rain) as we gradually sink into all the seas we are surrounded by.
the only way to start dealing with this catastrophe is too silence the left.
And that's just the ones they know about.
They said that they would take over and if they keep breeding in this way, they will have completed their mission in a few years without any restraints. Two out of control governments and three stupid leaders and this is why Great Britain is no more.
Make no mistake Cameron and his ilk would bring back the workhouse tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it.
How many are on a benefit of some sort though? It is a joke- The country is ruined!! GET BRITAIN OUT OF EU
Its a crying shame, our great country which we have defended for generartions is no longer ours. History will reveal to our kids and grandkids how we lost our great country and they will ask in their history classes " why did they ever let this happen??"...I could cry..Goodbye green and pleasant land...
I doubt there are sufficient proper British people left to bring UKIP into government.
I bet tesco are rubbing their hands
embarrasing statistics, if nothing is done soon this island will sink economically, emotionally and even physically!? lets hope not.
'Last night the BBC news said that our population growth was "the envy of Europe".'- Rob , Someret, 09/8/2013 06:53-------Yes Rob! I saw the BBC coverage. Frankly I sometimes wonder if their left wing bias is exaggerated, but yesterday their coverage was scandalous. I couldn't believe that they seemed to have brought in an 'expert' solely for the purpose of convincing us that it's all a good thing. Very biased indeed.
This is why child benefit needs to be capped. Britain is it's own worst enemy.
Our politicians will not do anything because they don't know what to do. Not a brain cell between them. Everyone must vote in the next election to let them know how we feel if their hasn't been a riot before then.
Don't you get it people ?, this is EU policy not UK government policy, which is why under Cameron there has been a massive increase in numbers despite his BS (according to the table above, an extra 1,000,000 in 2011 alone). He can't do anything because the 'power' resides in the Europe parliament NOT here ! Obviously it doesn't stop him putting on a 'show' for the mugs which is why we had those informative vans driving around last week.
And thus my hubby and I are moving to Oz... where an idiotic government isn't squandering our taxes on the rest of the world.
Thanks Bliar, you and your cronies have well and truly stuffed this country and there is NOTHING that can be done now, it's too late.
Surprise, surprise! We don't need figures and Reports; we just need to use our eyes and witness the deterioration of this country and the problems we face every day. Of course, eventually, the powers-that-be will wake up to the fact that drastic measures are necessary. But by then, it will be TOO LATE!
400,000 times £500 a week in Benefits. Unless my calculator is wrong, that works out at £200m a week from your taxes. That's one year and that's before we feed Brussels voracious, socialist appetite.
Every one moans but they still vote for Lab,lib,con, Have a go and vote for UKIP, THERE WORTH A TRY ! At least they support the BRITISH PEOPLE
Like rats in a barrel. thats what the goverment has turned us into. keep us poor with high taxes and cut down on on social conditions.Thats the way they like it. Enough is enough vote UKIP
We're sinking - shut the door now!
'Our way of life is being distorted.'- Jack , York, United Kingdom, 09/8/2013 06:55-------It's worse than that Jack it's being utterly destroyed and usurped with an alien, hostile culture.
This country is finished, it is too late to do anything about it. Far too many people allowed to live here year on year, all having kids who are now British citizens. Thanks Dave, Gordon and Tony, but dont worry you have enough cash to go and live somewhere a bit quieter.
The UK has been turned into a cruise ship with to many passengers and not enough life boats. Remember what happened to the Titanic. Unfortunately Blair and Brown will not be going down with our ship.
Overcrowding will be the biggest downfall of Britain.Britian does have a population of over 70million plus.lf the government does not know how many illegals are here,how do they know the population is 67million.Everything will be ruined.From the destruction of the countryside to the breakdown of the infrastructure.
Our way of life is being distorted.
Last night the BBC news said that our population growth was "the envy of Europe".
That figure doesn't count all the people who didn't fill in the census form because they don't speak English, and the illegals, and the people living in sheds at the bottom of the garden, who are legal but don't want to draw attention to themselves etc etc etc. The true figure is far higher.
Of all the comments that really upset me is the comment England is finished. True but still very sad.
Anything as long as the country can get CHEAP!!!! labour. The ghost of Scrooge never goes away!
The ruling elite have no value for their own people and their identity in what was Britain but now is anywhere land.
Absolute joke.. I'm 24 and wanna get out the country for those facts only... What happened to England... Oh yea the government! Too many silent voices
Yeah I think the figures are wrong there's a lot more coming over its not outside the eu that's the problem it's the eu citizens that are
We already live in bongo bongo land its called the UK.
The only people having bigger families are benefit loungers!working people can only afford two at the most.
The Election is not far away now, we can let our feet do the talking........UKIP
Social unrest I fear is just around the corner as the scramble for jobs, school places, housing, medical services, even space on the roads intensifies! Thanks Blair and your two "sons" Cameron and Clegg. You should all be hung for treason for what you have done to this once great country. WE ARE FULL UP! What part of that statement don't you understand? If the people of the UK have any sense, they will kick the LibLabCons into touch in 2015 and vote for UKIP before it is really too late to do anything!
i MUSTN'T COMMENT THEY WOULD ACCUSE ME OF BEING RACIXT.
EU mass economic migration is the obvious cause but the government have tried nothing to stop it . Why spend millions trying to stop a few thousand students and tourists and leave the borders open to millions from the EU ?
What do you expect? Can't get a job have a baby, we get a house, money and do nothing else to do but breed Then you get all the other free loaders that come through our borders, 50% of which get lost, so no trace. We will have no green belt land very soon. All we will see is shanty towns popping up all over the place. Close the borders to all that are not self sufficient and no benefits for minimum of 5 years.
If you can, get out before it is too late, England is finished.
Thanks labour!!!!!!!
Was it really so difficult top predict by our pointless politicians? Open doors to a world where benefits exceed the average wage of all comers? Did we really expect them not to come and breed and breed and breed? It would seem so.
Well are we the lucky ones no wonder the NHS is on its knees when are the powers that be going to realise we can't cope. SHUT THE DOOR for goodness sake
Yet we have one of the smallest.
Stop benefits now......watch the trend drop.
What an absolute and utter disgrace. Can someone out there tell me why on earth we cannot close our Embassies and Consulates around the world to visa applications for a year until we start sorting this debacle out? Why cant we do that people? I agree with Dipole, its utter madness and I will definitely be voting UKIP.
L is for Labour, L is for lice. Look what those greedy self serving lice have done to us!!
Almost a million new babies a year. Children are now a cash cow for those who have them and a huge financial burden on those that don't.
Zohann Portsmouth. We liked OUR country very much as it was, thank you.
I have been a moderate for all my life but this information frightens to me as to what is happening to this country of ours.
probably 400,000 on welfare.
And still we let THEM come to our shores, exploit OUR NHS and OUR welfare system, vote UKIP
We need conscription. That'll sort out who is only here for the money.
Thanks for nothing Labour voting idiots !
so the real number is a lot higher if all illegals added
You have omitted to print the age of parents and their nationalities at birth.
If you think uk is crowded, then you don't want to be in Japan. The whole population is going up in the world. This growth is better mentality needs to stop.
Do not allow British citizenship for temporary residents. They should work and be fully self sufficient for at least five years and even then they should be liable to support their family.
the labour party's masterplan
According to Tesco they believe the population to be nearer 80 million than the government figures I know which one I think is right as the government's figures are just guesswork and Tescos is based on loyalty cards
yes all middle Eastern
And it's the
Double those figures and you may be nearer the mark
The whole point is ; if good people are coming in then the country is getting better but if bad people are coming in the country is getting worse. What could make things even worse is if good people are leaving . There comes a tipping point where can it can only get worse and it seems that is occurring.
This article made me smile!! Bye bye snobby Britain!! Hello new & IMPROVED Britain!
If you want this madness to end vote ukip!!!
I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 08/08/2013 14:10 You don't OWN Britain you B%#*$ !! You just happen to be born here like a million other people!! It's not YOUR country!! IGNORANT MUCH?!
Yay!!!
WHAT DO THE POLITICIANS INTEND TO DO WHEN WE'RE STANDING ROOM ONLY, I SERIOUSLY THINK THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT FAR AHEAD OR THEY SIMPLY DON'T CARE. WE'RE AN ISLAND THE RULES SHOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR US BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET RID OF THE LIB/LAB/CON BECAUSE THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. VOTE UKIP.
Well, the message of Matt Damon's new movie Elysium is that you have no right to keep these people out - you should let them in your country, give them full citizenship with full benefits and health care. He was aiming the message at the US, but it's the same message. All the reviewers are saying it is one long political ad with a sledgehammer message. The irony that if there really were an "Elysium" Matt and all his Hollywood pals would be the ones living there and keeping us out seems lost on them.
Can't be that bad if it's less than 1972 !
MP's only see what they want to see. If they see there's nothing in it for them they ignore it.
Prima Nocta. It will be the end of us.
And many more on their way in 2014...
the island is way, way too crowded. Numbers need to be far less , not more...
Liberalism is a mental illness; according to the sane majority, I am well informed.
This is great news! More babies means more future taxpayers to pay for my round-the-clock care, liquid food and diapers in my extended old age. -- Plankton Floaty, Neptune >> Do you honestly think they will be working and paying taxes?
Tasmania is the smallest state... Victoria is the smallest state in Australia. - Malcolm Freeman , Melbourne, Australia, 09/8/2013 01:35
You don't say , what do you expect and this why we are in such mess and no one in power can see it only the general public ...... Maybe because we have to live with the governments mistakes and not them ........
This is spectacularly good news. It will mean that in twenty years time whilst other European countries will have rapidly ageing populations with the enormous problems that will bring; not enough workers; low tax take; Japanese type stagnation. The UK with its relatively young population will be a vibrant and expanding economy.
More than the population increase of Germany, Belgium, Holland and Sweden COMBINED. Madness, utter madness.
Dave Davies, derby, United Kingdom, 08/08/2013 17:20 Our state of minds are quite stable. Unlike you lefty lot who have no common sense.
I blame womens lib, a total disaster.
They have kids because theyn think they cannot be kicked out of the UK
Interesting- when I was at school (not so long ago) I was informed that the population of the UK was falling- I wonder what happened......? - London boy, London, 08/08/2013 23:14 Labour.
I live in Australian state of Victoria, It has the same area as the England and Wales and is the smallest state in Australia. The state population has just hit 5 million and the people here are wondering if we are over populated! We have nothing to worry about compared to the UK.
Let them come, We need Cotton picking singers. they sing like birds....
When Cameron's grand children are grown up - Britain will be a country where the White Anglo Saxon is the minority - is that what him and his ilk want for the UK ?
I suppose they will all qualify for British Passports too... It makes the average person wonder what goes through the minds of the UK's so-called leaders that allow any of this to happen. Glad I quit the UK when I did, but it's not particularly edifying watching the country of one's birth sink into the same mire as the world's dregs live.
They have more kids for benefits because they can't get a job.
Thanks Labour and people will still vote for you,glad I saw the light 10 years ago and got out.
I feel sick to the stomach.
Elf & safety need to put a stop to this!
Shocking numbers, we're doomed.
if people arrive they should pay the £13,000 it costs the NHS for each child to be born in the first 10 years of arriving. We are paying for babies that would not even have been BORN in their parents' own country because they do not have the finances to have a baby every year the way they do the moment many of them arrive here and have them for free. We are PAYING to be a minority in out own land - talk about adding insult to injury Cough up for your own childbirth costs for the first 10 years you are here - then we'll see if the population grows - many of them would not even come or bother staying
Interesting- when I was at school (not so long ago) I was informed that the population of the UK was falling- I wonder what happened......?
Blame the child benefit more kids more money
And the main three parties are going to wonder why none of them will get the majority vote in 2015. HELLO? Are you listening to the voters.... no thought not. You will in 2015 though.
RIP Great Britain. I don't look forward to the future, I just despair.
Burn in hell, Blair.
Get the two children only in to place, Not wait till its to late and we are walking shoulder to shoulder because we have no more room. But lets face it is anybody surprised we are letting thousands more people in to the Country its bound to have a affect.
For those stating it's too late you're either defeatists or left wing propagandists masquerading as patriots to demotivate people and prevent opposition to your plan, you're too transparent.
This country has changed RAPIDLY over 10 years :( - Gaz , Manchester, 08/8/2013 23:13 This country has changed RAPIDLY over 10 years :)
The question is how many have allegiance to the nation rather than the creed of the living dead?
This is great news! More babies means more future taxpayers to pay for my round-the-clock care, liquid food and diapers in my extended old age.
Standing room only by the looks of it, good luck
And of course they are all named, Smith, Jones, Macdonald etc?? Thank you, Blair, Brown and Blunkettt............
This country has changed RAPIDLY over 10 years :(
Of course. People are popping out babies so they can have a bigger house on the taxpayer, only so they can pop out some more so the taxpayer can fund their lifestyle as well without them having to go to work!
Because we here reward serial child breeders to go on being serial child breeders, many make a career out of it.
Excellent. They should be in the wokforce in plenty of time to pay my pension
Maybe the natives are turning it around again? Haha of course they are not the ones with 6 children.
How dare humans continue breeding & multiplying at such a high rate, lets ban sex then vote UKIP.- DailyFail , Swansea, United Kingdom.............Contempt.
That's what happens when a government make it easy for people to get zero-hours contracts and/or fake jobs via the Work Programme. Tell the world we have tons of private sector jobs and it's translated and 'goes viral'. The result? Everyone is making their way here.
Very sad and it's too late now we're finished :(
And counting!!
No surprises there then - welcome to Easy Street - stop the numbers allowed in and the incentives of all the freebies they get - and you will stop having this disgraceful record.
Don't worry, as long as we all work harder and for less we'll be fine. We need to make sure those in power become even more rich and powerful because that's very important to them. So please, sacrifice yourself for their greater good.
Thats it just keep letting them in.....what a disgrace our country is !
In mainland europe as soon as people know they will be having a baby they will come straight to the UK, guess what for? BENEFITS. Its a fact. Mostly Polish.
Look Politicians your masterplan seems to be working! are you 'proud' of what you have created???.
Open door to the world and his wife and...............luvverly benefits....To think I never got any family allowance for my first child until they were about 5 and H.Benefit didn't come in until about 82. Think we had it right back in the 70's.
CAMERON - DO YOU READ THIS?
Take a Thousand years building England up into the Greatest Nation on Earth and then allow Politicians to destroy it all inside of 50 years, sad.
And why have Politicians been so desperate to import Millions of grateful, obedient, Pro EU Dictatorship new Voters into England?.....oh wait!!.....
We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation....
How dare humans continue breeding & multiplying at such a high rate, lets ban sex then vote UKIP.
Madness.
We are overcrowded on a small island incapable of supplying the population with food or energy without massive imports. Does no politician have the grasp of the reality of this situation. We are heading for serious trouble in the near future. Wakey Wakey!!! We need to recognise there are limits to resources and ability to lead a decent standard of life. Sorry but that is fact.
As the population is increasing by almost 0.75% each year 0.75% should be stripped from the GDP growth figures. Factor that in and between 1997 and 2010 under Labour the economy barely grew. They let in millions to disguise their economic illiteracy. They near bankrupted the country and have started the slow death of our culture, society and nation.
Yes just stop the handouts and free care then you will see the numbers drop.
This country pays you money to have children, no surprise.
Quite a lot of the population have nothing else to do so the outcrop is not surprising.
Good night and God bless all who lived here
Funny isn't it, it's officially the UK population, but how many of them are actually British I wonder? No so many I should think...
Who would have thought it !
how many are REAL british
Just watched aTV programme highlighting our housing shortage Is this not taking the proverbial
Britain as we know it will be a distant memory in around 20 years I predict.... Thanks to the governments of the last 30 years... Outrageous.... Just look at London for instance.... Imagine it in 20 years time!
The countdown is well underway to us being replaced in our own country. It is now, nothing more than a matter of time.
Just wait until 1 Jan 2014. You ain't seen nothin' yet!
It's the same old story but nothing gets done about it
Those living and owning property in white Anglo Saxon towns will see their house value rise considerably in the coming years..
Thanks liberals for destroying our heritage and culture... I hope you're pleased with yourself!
I can imagine the politicians have planned for this mass Increase by opening borders?? And joining the EU?? nHS will be ok, housing will be ok, benefit system will be ok, congestion and infrastructure will be ok, etc etc etc???
If all these children grew up honest, hard-working, with morals and qualifications but no particular religion, spoke English and felt British, that would be a help, but even then there aren't enough jobs, the NHS couldn't stretch round them, there aren't enough houses etc etc, and they will all get old one day.
Bongo Bongo land.
VOTE UKIP.
Funny how no one ever mentions the Red squirrel & Grey squirrel scenario ?
Blair and the EU are killing this country!!!
Of course we can cope you miserable lot, how do other countries cope with much larger populations. Stop being so defeatest. - Dave Davies, derby, United Kingdom, 8/8/2013 20:27 - Its the NUMBERS that are worrying. We are an Island. Look at the size of France/Germany/Spain. It will double every five years,
Like moths to a flame our Welfare state attracts.
We. Are. Doomed.
this is obvious - UK has very good and easy to get benefits...
I shudder to think if there was a serious drought or food shortage. This desperate situation must be laid at Leibour's door who utterley betrayed this country and especially the working class who they were supposed to champion.
Just stop paying people to have babies?
You have almost no chance of getting a free house if you don't have kids.
It's not just Blair, it's Cameron and whoever's next in government too. Even Farage will be bought out or moved out.
What can you expect when the government PAYS people to have babies?
So what has this statement "More than one in six people in the UK is now over 65" got to do with a 40 year high in Births????.
For heaven's sake stop paying child allowance for any more than 2 children and don't provide housing for large families. The world and, most especially, this country does not need to breed at this rate. If you want the luxury of a large family you must fund it yourself.. My great grandparents had 11 (surviving) children and lived in penury. My grandparents had 6 and lived in poverty. My parents' generation learned to restrict their families in order to enjoy a better life. To allow, nay encourage, through benefits this uncontrolled population growth will drag us back to the nineteen hundreds. And what will they all do for jobs in 15-50 years time? Europe encourages this state of affairs because every new birth is a new consumer. They care nothing about quality of life just how much money they can make out of it.
Personally speaking, I have four children. You should see what we get in Child Benefit every month. Mwa ha ha ha ha!!! Seriously, is there anybody out there who thinks that people have babies solely for 20 quid a week in CB?
Too many people, too small an island. A recipe for disaster. Close the borders. WE ARE FULL!
Instead of paying for more babies maybe we should give tax benefits to people who don't breed!
Needless to say, regular Mailonline are highly unlikely to be participating in the baby boom, as they are all lonely and ugly misanthropists.
Not hard to see who is responsible is it? The huge increase is because of the open door policies of New Labour where around 4 million people arrived on our shores during their 13 years in Government that will of course multiply year in year out. - Yvonne, West Midlands, United Kingdom, 8/8/2013 17:15 4 million legally and what about illegals?? at least another million, even more.
Huh...........and this is a surprise? it will keep rising until they address the massive benefits that come with every new child.NO benefits after child number two.No doubt they're travelling across Europe to give birth here,with free hospitalisation and all the added perks,what mugs are the British tax-payers.
The figures should be called " the rate of dispossession & displacement" figures
63.7 million people......and the rest! If they gave out food cards to everyone, as in everyone needs ID to buy food then we would probably find our true population to be around 75 - 80 million.
Anyone can come here from all over the world and have their baby in our hospitals and it does not cost them a penny. The people that pick up the tab are the british taxpayers.
A good question Alan, Huddersfield 20.07 if you asked our glorious leader, Cameron he would say British. We all know different though.
We all know why this has happened, thanks to Blair, Brown and their cronies.
We are trying to fit a gallon into a pint pot not a quart.
Bred out of our own country.
Of course we can cope you miserable lot, how do other countries cope with much larger populations. Stop being so defeatest.
Cut the benefits and free housing for single mothers and you will see the birth rate drop immediately.
I think we all know why the population is increasing at record levels, but we are not allowed to talk about it!
And our government is paying people to have even more children. What part of the word overpopulated do our ministers not understand?
Is it me or does that population pyramid look like two blokes in caps back to back. On a serious note, I live in South Devon and life is getting intolerable. The roads are continually clogged, schools are full, only low paid jobs available, no car parking and don't even think about getting an appointment at the doctors or dentist. How bad does it have to get before something is done about it?
Populations increase...so what? That what happens, why are people surprised, did you think it would go down lol.
child benefit child tax credits woot woot
BE AFRAID. WHO WAS IT THAT UTTERED THE "SWAMPED" WORD MANY YEARS AGO AND WAS TOLD TO SHUT UP? THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO NOSE DIVE IN THE NEXT DECADE OR SO.
My local hospital is at breaking point and you have to wait around 5 years for a council house there is only 70,000 people here and more and more immigrates are coming here just sort it out.
WHAT ORIGIN WERE THE MOTHERS?, a simple question to which i am denied an answer. Says it all.
Benefit culture ..
I am not allowed to ask what the breakdown of the womens race were even. Now thats WRONG.
Dave, 19:48 = 1 = Its about who is having the babies 2 = looking at what todays kids are like there is nothing joyous about it.
400,000 additional people to feed, clothe, give access to medical services, benefit and all the things that my father and his comrades fought to give us.............................The next thing will be wails from the ones in charge that we have a housing shortage.................................You know the answer, I know the answer, they know the answer..................................SHUT THE DOOR.
We are the only EU country which provides benefits without previously having had to pay in... so DUH ! Out of the EU and stop paying people to have children other people have to pay for.
The Con/Lab/lib have sold our country down the river, I feel it is very sad to said our only hope now is UKIP.!!!
The traitor and his party who are responsible are living like kings while the electorate are forced to accept every consequence of every failure that they are responsible for!!.....what message does that send out to the rest of the parasites of parliament??.........get what you can while you can before the "cupboard" is bare and the country finished!!
I love the fact people on here are soooo miserable they are negative about people having babaies, one of the most joyous things anyone can do. Cheer up.
And our clueless politicians cannot understand why there is not enough water or why the A&E departments and hospitals are failing amongst a trillion other things.
¿As a species we¿re in deep trouble, worse than anyone¿s saying. They¿re afraid to release the stats because people might just give up, but take it from me, we¿re running out of space-time. Demand for resources has exceeded supply for decades in marginal geopolitical areas, hence the famine and droughts; but very soon, demand is going to exceed supply for everyone.¿ - Margaret Atwood, from Oryx and Crake. And if you haven't read it, let me tell you, things do not go well for humanity in that book.
'thanks to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who opened the gate and forgot to bloody shut it!! - Grizzle, Glasgow, United Kingdom' Sorry but they didn't forget to shut the door: not only having deliberately wedged it open but they then went off, according to Mandelson, actively encouraging people to come here to live. Laughably, our politicians walk around scratching their heads wondering why house prices are remaining stubbornly high: 'supply and demand' is clearly beyond their already limited grasp of the real world!
Secession NOW.
can you believe what the govt tells you though ? what about the millions of illegals they have written off ?
We don't need to be informed by the Office of National Statistics. It's plainly obvious to anyone out and about who are helping to increase UK's population. You only have to visit A and E departments, maternity wards, schools and shopping areas, plain as the nose on your face, as has been said before Labour Party has a lot to answer for .
Oh no, people are having babies! Quick, somebody stop them!
This way this country has been so grossly mis-managed by our parliament of all shades, is unbelievable and ALL against the express wishes of the vast majority of the electorate. If anyone still believes we live in a democracy they need their heads examined. We need a REBELLION on an unstoppable scale and if the people can't get it together at this important moment in history then you can wave goodbye to the Britain we have all enjoyed.
And in another article, Dave is tossing pancakes, having tossed off Britain to the EU.
Regarding population this country faces a disastrous future. Economically and socially this country cant support an ever increasing population, its the law of economics.
To " fedupofemail ": How can anyone misspell WHOSE ?
I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 8/8/2013 15:10 You have not understood yet, Ronald. It is NOT your country or mine. It is owned by the corporations, banks and the wealthy few. They don't care about or recognise nationality or culture. Ask yourself why this is all happening and it is within those groups that you will find the answer.
We all face a stark choice. Take back our country or accept that our children and grand children will live in a country where white Christians will be a minority. Vote UKIP. I will and I am a life long Tory voter.
So glad I left for Canada. a few years ago. Most " English" people aren't English ! I'll never go back.
this is a crime of gargantuan proportions. labour is responsible for this massive increase in the population , at a time when it was imperative that it was reduced. quite what they were thinking is a mystery , but they have done untold and irreversible damage to Britain .
What a surprise - NOT ! Thanks Blair, traitor. Sold the country down the river for the prospect of a President's job in Brussels. Luckily they could see him for what he was, a complete liar.
wonder what their last names are,,bet i cant pronounce them..............
no other country takes in everyone
Babies born to illegals should not be allowed a British passport.
Bliar has so much to answer for.
This cannot continue without a complete collapse of essential services. More and more call on education and the NHS and no more money coming in to pay for them. How long can it continue?
Child benefit should be paid for the first 2 children and that's it. Only families who can afford lots of children should be allowed to have them!
Increased population solves absolutely no issue on a national, regional or street level. More people just means less quality of life for those that are already here. The brakes need putting on NOW. No benefits for second children would be a start.
Its way more than this try 80m+ with 10-15m in London alone! Cut all benefits unless you were born here & can prove it then see the exodus to some other mugs in the EU.
Check out the names register to see who's babies they are. Not ours I'll bet.
More unsightly cheek by jowl housing estates being tagged onto towns and cities in mainly the south-east 25% of England ; more roads and more noise from traffic, more greenery gone - forever.
Love kids, everyone should have at least one. Stop being miserable. Theres plenty of room. P.s People think we have 90 million people living here, I do wonder about some peoples state of mind.
Anyone who votes Labour after the disaster they brought to this country has to be barmy.
I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD. - Ronald, Chesterfield, 8/8/2013 16:10-------Regrettably Ronald, Lieba and associates wanted the world's dregs to come here to keep them in power.
Clearly England has not got a clue and we should start looking into what Sweden, Denmark and the Czech rep are doing? Possible more schools, education, Uni places, jobs and less benefits and handouts?
mikeallan, 17:13 = London already is and where i live is going that way.
If we are not out of the damned Euro fiasco by the end of this year, the birth rate, crime rate, benefit rate and what ever undesirable rate one can imagine will continue to burgeon.
That's because evey other bloody country have shipped the people they don't want here and then all they do is breed.
WHY ISN'T THIS THE LEAD STORY ON THIS SITE, it is by far the most important domestic issue?
Stop Child Benefit
Stop Child Benefit
I swear on my walk to work I can hear the ground creaking under the strain of this rising population! I'm expecting the UK to sink any minute!
T-O-O M-A-N-Y-!
mikeallan, 17:11 and 17:13 = How the hell did you get those posted, still completely agree so a green arrow for each one from me.
Time stop child benefit for any babies born after eg 2014. If they want children pay for them themselves not via our taxes/benefits and people coming from another country and not paid anything into system should get damn all, If want to come here more than welcome If have job,accommodation and money to live on if not don't bother as we are full to capaciy with benefit seekers from other country's.
63 MILLION? Who are they kidding? We're at nearly 80 million already - 90 million according to a recent analysis of food purchases in the UK. Honestly, do they think we are stupid? 63 Million? Yeah twenty years ago maybe but now the floodgates are open (THANKS BLAIR YOU @@@@) and all and sundry are coming here and breeding like rabbits- what do you expect? Just wait until England has a population of 100 million of everyone from everywhere and see what's left of it. Too late by then I can tell you and I don't even need a psychic to predict the bloomin' obvious.
How did that happen? Social Engineering is Treason in my eyes.
They are having the children but are they paying for them that is the question.
Breeding British Bongo Bongo Babies = BENEFITS.
Where is our green and pleasant land gone.???
and to think Blair/Brown were giving each birth £250 of our tax money !!! 813.200 x 250 nearly 250 million in a year???? at least Cameron did stop that !!!!!
How many are benefit babies?
Britain is turning into Bongo Bongo land
We need to unload a million or two illegals pretty quick.
Free handouts,free benefits,free housing and plenty of asinine hand wringing Liberals only too pleased to give this country's wealth and inheritance away. Is it any wonder that the world's freeloaders are coming here?
.......given that we are overpopulated why are people still being financially rewarded by taxpayers through the benefits system to have children? Absolutely bonkers. The current birth rate cannot be sustained and ALL forms of child benefits should cease.
its seriously time to stop child benefits after 1 child BE4 we sink into the north sea
Mmmmm!!! Nobody could see this coming? Not even our eagle eyed Government? and it will be record after record until our tiny island sinks.
"The international definition of gen-0cide includes...

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Surely this covers deliberately shipping in populations with a high birth rate into a country whose own population has a low birth rate? It appears that our leaders have deliberately set out to destroy the British and their culture once and for all."
Yay, more people! I get so lonely on the M25 :(
and how many of those are British? I mean British citizens.
Don;t expect Cameron and Co to do anything about it soon.... lot of hot air and no action. But the consequesnces wont affect him and his upper crass cronies like they do us ordinary citizens.
This will without doubt end in tears
Awful.
So what if we need more workers to support an aging workforce? This is UNACCEPTABLE!
The really worrying statistic is that 26% of births are to mothers not born in the UK. We are being destroyed from within. It's like the Borg!
No much wonder! Just look at all the benefits. I don't think I can take any more. We just can't go on like this. Vote out the Tories and please don't let Labour in which will be every bit as bad, if not worse. Therefore if we don't give UKIP a chance, we too might be living in bongo, bongo land.
Now, why would that be? But ssshhhh, your're not allowed to even think it, let along say it.
Why is there a sudden peak for both sexes at the age of 65 years? Could the end of WW2 have had something to do with that ?
Most of the youth of today are on the doll and receiving child benefit.The money these over 75's paid in is going to these and not to a decent living pension and they pay tax on their pensions..- Gordon , kungsbacka ------------------------------------------------------- I presume you mean DOLE not DOLL, which could also be why you don't understand how the system works. The money they paid in was spent decades ago to provide for the previous generations of pensioners who didn't live as long. The tax they pay on their private pensions is because it was originally tax free in order to increase the size of the fund so taxes are due when it's collected.
Will Lefty Liberals queuing, much more in future, to flee effects of this still be whining about Carbon Footprint.
We never realised our TV programmes were that bad!
Hundreds of thousands more to arrive shortly,CAMERON the incompetent does nothing, knowing they will never live near to him or his wealthy friends and family.
You know what happens when animals start to live in overcrowded pens.
Stop the benefits after 2 kids it s the only way if they want more they pay for them out of what they already get and no more big houses built for them when i grew up there was 8 of us in a 2 bedroomed house we couldnt get a council house and my dad work away from home to provide for his 6 kids and my mum did part work while we were in school , this country a NEEDS to stop paying out for people to stay at home and get paid for having kids and stop providing them with more or less free homes to do it in.
t also reports men over 75 have increased in numbers by 26% so more taxpaying youngsters are required to support the increasing number of elderly. An increase in the birth rate is necessary or they'd have to introduce compulsory euthanasia. - Grasshopper Farmer , Sandburrville, 08/8/2013 16:00 Most of the youth of today are on the doll and receiving child benefit.The money these over 75's paid in is going to these and not to a decent living pension and they pay tax on their pensions..
Is any party going to do anything about this, rather than just talk tough come the elections
Restrict child benefit to the first two.
Bongo Bongo land U.K.!
Could there ever have been a more incompetent pair of destructive fools running this country than Blair and Brown, made even worse by the fact that they became enemies who would do all they could to spite the other when they got half a chance? It's not hard for us ALL to see now how this country has been completely ruined, just a pity WE were 13 years too late in recognising the disaster that was New Labour!
So depressing! Britain cannot sustain these numbers. When will the government do something constructive to stop the situation getting worse?
So depressing!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to visualise the state of this country in 20 years time. The James Herriot days are truly over folks. We can vote UKIP to close the borders but it really is too late. All we can do now is sit and wait or leave.
It also reports men over 75 have increased in numbers by 26% so more taxpaying youngsters are required to support the increasing number of elderly. An increase in the birth rate is necessary or they'd have to introduce compulsory euthanasia.
25.9 % of new births are from mothers born abroad, says it all reall, UKIP please
Such a shame this has happened to our once great country all in the name of 'rubbing the Right's noses in it' and instigated by none other than Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and their New Labour experiment, because in doing so they have not only maliciously 'rubbed the Right's noses in it' they have succeeded in rubbing EVEYONE ELSE'S nose in it as well!
Cuckoos in the nest!
This is why all our services are overstretched,we've become the dumping ground of the world thanks to successive governments incompetence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's because they're all over here!!!!!!
63.7 million? More like 70 million+ but come this time next year - approaching 80m! - Hearsay, Ipswich, United Kingdom, 8/8/2013 15:36=================Tesco did a survey 5 years ago based on the volume of certain staples they sell, and they certainly understand their consumer market They estimated the population in 2008 as being around 80 million, so I would think that with the reproductive rate of certain people, it is probably nearer 100 million now.
We're sleep-walking into disaster.
Ah, but, the influx of Bulgarians next year should solve all our problems.
Population numbers are simply unsustainable. There are not enough houses as it is, hospitals are under immense pressure, and our local services cannot cope. Politicians talk about quality of life - a crowded island with a surging population will reduce everyone's standard of living. Enough is enough.
Great..............................producing yet more people we don't need.
How many are English?
Well our benefits system encourages it for a start. Its like a viable alternative to getting a job. And then there is the almost impossible mission to get acceptted as adoption parents that sounds like its more trouble then its worth. We should be encouraging adoption & providing incentives for healthy couples to adopt over having their own kids. Got to hit this problem at its core and declare that having kids is a luxury and not a right. Would you personally give up this right for the sake of our long terms future?
WELL FANCY THAT - WHAT A SHOCK!!! SO NOW CAN WE STOP CALLING THEM MINORITIES AND TREAT THEM LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THIS COUNTRY!
63.7 million? More like 70 million+ but come this time next year - approaching 80m!
This place is now flooded with folk we don't want nor need....
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
Did I see somewhere that that German family that came to this country in the 1700's had just had a new offspring.........???!!!!
Not supprised with all the money they get, child allowance was used after the war to increase the population, so no need for any benefits child related today as there are all ready to many people in this little island
Not hard to see who is responsible is it? The huge increase is because of the open door policies of New Labour where around 4 million people arrived on our shores during their 13 years in Government that will of course multiply year in year out. We as a nation will suffer and become more and more overcrowded and our services will become more and more over stretched thanks to Blair and Brown and there is not a thing we can do about it now as it's too late, while other countries of course have not been quite as irresponsible as ours have they?
Just what we don't want. Any of it.
Stop all the hand outs then see the numbers drop!
Don't worry this time next year it would be double that again thanks to LAB/CON/LIB due too more coming in. VOTE UKIP.
Goodbye England. Your influence on the world was exemplary. You do not deserve this fate.
I have NO WISH to share MY COUNTRY with the rest of the WORLD.
Should we be suprised
STOP CHILD BENEFIT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
France has double the land area, but four times the actual habitable area as the UK with the same population figure. "A crowded little island", as a friend visiting from Salinas, California described us twenty years ago. At the time I was silly enough to feel slightly aggrieved, but I certainly hold a different view now.
Interesting article, and nice to see the straight reporting of this complex subject. How odd the views of Nigel Farage look in the middle of it, though. It's all a bit more complicated than you suggest, Nige. I'd stay down the pub, if I were you. Or do a little fact-finding. in Bulgaria, perhaps.- Chiddenbrook , Crediton, 08/8/2013 14:28...........Get your facts right, Nigel Farage went to Bulgaria in April
The UK population is in excess of 100 million, It was 56 million in 1960 !
thanks to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who opened the gate and forgot to bloody shut it!!
You don't have to be a fortune teller to predict the very near future of this country of ours! There is now no way of avoiding it!
Will someone please tie a knot in it.
The increase is absolutely horrific. Try reading Dan Brown's "Inferno" (based around "Dante's Inferno" and consider the very real implications of world population growth
Thanks, *%!"* Blair.
Interesting article, and nice to see the straight reporting of this complex subject. How odd the views of Nigel Farage look in the middle of it, though. It's all a bit more complicated than you suggest, Nige. I'd stay down the pub, if I were you. Or do a little fact-finding. in Bulgaria, perhaps.
he should spend many years in gaol
how hard can it be to check these things out what about all the cival servants with nothiing to do could they not be doing these checks
I find that the judge in question is 'considering jail.' Am I missing something here?
why are the photos of the people getting married blurred ?? surely if you print them everyone can all help find them... in the USA when you marry a foreigner and want to apply for papers to allow you to work - the basic laws need you to have to prove your relationship with as many photos, bank accounts, mortgage payments, credit card statements, utility bills in both our names that you have. Further to that you can be interviewed at any time especially during the next 2 years - together with your spouse to check you are married and still together. You must then hold your green card for 5 years before you can become a citizen and give you full rights as an American. I don't see how it is so hard to do that in England.
Well that takes care of all the church roofs. No need for any collections in the short term.(25 years.)
Mark, Dartford UK, 30/7/2010 2:33 The new government was only elected on May 6th this year and by the time Brown was finally dragged out of no10 it was late May. How the hell do you expect anything to change in 2 actual months of government. Wait a year then if nothing starts to change...complain by all means. Don't hold your breath though the Lib Dems have watered down all Tory policy much to my dismay.
Notice that the judge said " considering jail". Considering, Considering........it must be jail and for 5 years minimum.
I hope he gets a full 14 years! This guy needs to be made an example of!
Trawl through the records at the Benefits office and I'm sure they'll come up with most of the names. Blair turned this once great country into a laughing stock. Let's have OUR country back please.
I am certainly not excusing any of these people and I hope they are tracked down and dealt with, but I am afraid a large part of the problem is the UK Border Agency. I know that the UKBA's main job is to interact and evaluate non UK residents as to their suitability for landing in this country. How ever they go about it in such an arrogant and heavy handed manner that immigrants, are frightened of them and are easy prey to fraudsters and illegal schemes to circumvent the rules. They often know in advance that there case is perhaps shaky and they will go to the private companies set up to handle imigration visas. Any time private enterprise gets involved there will be money to be made. We must return the job to the British People in the Immigration department and our overseas legations. Remove all private business from the process. We need this for our security!
God help us. With the Human Rights Act why don't we just bin it and let every man and his dog come to the country because these out of touch, Politicians, Lords and Judges don't get the damage it is doing to the state. RIP Britian.
"God looks after the righteous" Well he wont be looking after this lot then will he!
If the details placed on the documentation by each of those who were 'married' in this scam were false then surely each of them is liable in law to have committed perjury.? They will have signed a legal document in front of the Registrar and must have supplied false documentation and details. This is only one church so how many other Vicars are now looking over their shoulders in the UK. All living at the same address, the mind boggles, bet the electoral roll is a joke, When I went to the Registrar as a white Englishman the Registrar gave me the 'third degree' before the Banns were displayed for 28 days in the precinct for all the world to see. I had to produce my driving licence and passport as though I was a criminal. Sorry, I forgot these characters would have had all such documents which are readily purchased. That is why a system of ID cards was a non starter.
The people who were "married" will get away with it, and get to stay. Yet the Home Office will deny many Canadian and US citizens permission to marry the British people they are in love with if they happen to have met over the internet. It's simply easier for officials to pick on the people who go through proper channels. One set of rules for those who follow the rules, another set for those who don't.
With all the foreign names and faces attending for marriage ceremonies why did it take 4 years to realise that something was amiss? Eight marriages a day and I thought that vicars only worked one day a week!
You would not believe it . These kind of things seem to be a daily occurence.What kind of future lies ahead for those living in the UK?
NO difference than what we have in the ?Houses of parliament in London?. Just shams and could not care less for the laws and the peoples of Britain and England. Get ride of the lot of them as all just want to sell us all out since the Rome and Lima treaty's of 1975.
NO difference than what we have in the ?Houses of parliament in London?. Just shams and could not care less for the laws and the peoples of Britain and England. Get ride of the lot of them as all just want to sell us all out since the Rome and Lima treaty's of 1975.
Vicar carried out 360 sham marriages for illegal African immigrants marrying Eastern Europeans to live in Britain This is one we now know about,but how many more LATENT ACTIVITIES of a similar nature might be going on which have not yet been discovered.
Going by the visa rules, should I marry my Thai lady friend of nearly 3 years, she will only be allowed a 6 month stay in the UK ( I still own my own home in Scotland ) and we would have to reapply for an externsion for her to stay, for up to 2 years, which we may not be granted .So how are these people going to benefit from these artificial marriages, even if they were genuine ? Just because one of them is European. Surely the same rule at least applies, they too must apply for a visa extension ! Well I am a proud British, born and bred man, with family members who died for our country over many generations. Why should the EU's be given priority over me and my 'wife'.? ? ?
Well he must have kept records of these dody weddings. You have got to by law.
Hey guys, it's far from perfect in Australia.The authorities here seem to watch the UK for screw ups and then adopt the same one's for themselves. Routing the system is just as common as in the UK.
Yes there has been a lot wrong with immigration particularly under NuLabour but it has been a hugely enriching influence on the UK at times. I just don't see why we cant solely limit new immigrants to those who can speak the Queens English, sign up to British values and most of all make a positive financial and cultural contribution to UK plc. Talk of caps seems very old fashioned and redolent of the metric driven administration of Gordon Brown
No wonder the population of the country is growing. Make them pay for their own applications. Then demand proof of identification. Where are their birth certificates? Where are their passports? Where is their proof of financial support? There are a large number of basic questions which should be asked before a registrar signs off these shams. Unless the registrar is in on the sham? Corruption is a bye word, here in the Philippines. The UK is catching up rapidly.
You have people selling your country down the drain. Do something about it.
Just jail him and every one involved.
Bet the church roof still leaks
What is the difference in weddings. The one with Banns? The article fails to explain
Paul, NW, UK, 29/7/2010 17:17 If you actually read the article properly you would have seen the following....... Judge Richard Hayward adjourned sentencing to September 6 but warned the three, who all live in St. Leonards, he was considering jail. He told them: 'You have been convicted on very clear evidence of a serious offence.' Hopefully the judge will give them some jail time, however, I don't imagine anyone will be holding their breath. Sadly because no actual victims are involved, judges tend to be lenient.....more fools them!
There is literally no hope for this country when even priests within the Church of England are selling their souls and our country out for the price of a cheap all-inclusive holiday to Cuba. I don't mean to be depressing but if it wasn't as painfully pathetic I'd laugh. The future of England looks as bleak as this years summer. I've witnessed the the most unpopular prime minister in living memory, the import of a few million foreigners on an already overcrowded isle, the infringement of our civil liberties, the development of the UK into the most watched society in the world, the introduction of 'Big Government' and the criminalisation of the British people, an illegal war resulting in thousands of deaths, and the erosion of freedom of speech to be replaced by political correctness - and I'm only flipping 19! This priest business is just the tip of the iceberg, but to be honest sadly nothing surprises anymore in this country.
I hope all are traced and deported.......
And now annul the marriages and put them on fast track for deportation.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world. This has been going on for years and the government keep allowing more and more into the country. What a joke!
so what were the sentences? Not mentioned in the article. - Paul, NW, UK, 29/7/2010 17:17 Paul and the 227 people who green arrowed the comment; how about reading the entire article?!?! Judge Richard Hayward adjourned sentencing to September 6 but warned the three, who all live in St Leonards, he was considering jail.
i read this and i think why do we bother to stay in this country
All weddings are scams to allow couples to enjoy significant material benefits singles can't have. Without tax breaks there would be no weddings. I'm happy to see the institution exposed for what it is and hope there are many more. Get married , fine, have a party fine, spend huge amounts of money, fine, but don't pretend the reason is love. For every one real marriage there are thousands of sham marriages
Presumably all the newly wed couples will be rounded up and deported.
but is it the tip of the iceberg? Yes, and Labour steered HMS UK straight at it
Presumably all the newly wed couples will be rounded up and deported.
A CofE vicar imprisoned!?! don't hold your breath....
My god - how could this happen?
The system is being milked, by immigrants acting on behalf of other immigrants who wriggle around the rules. Simplest answer is to throw out everyone connected with the scam - having first stripped them of any assets they earned from it - and bar them from re-entering.
They earned about £5,400,000 (350x1500) from their scam. Those who gained their marriages and residency have robbed the working man/woman out of potential earnings of 11,208,600,000, based on a working life of 30 years. Median earnings of full-time male employees were £531 per week in April 2009; for women the median was £426. (source The Office for National Statistics). Male Female 532 426 Average weekly earnings 7500 7500 Average x 3990000 3195000 weekly earnings x 207480000 166140000 Year x52 weeks 6224400000 4984200000 Working life of 30 years 11,208,600,000 Total for both sexes 747240 The average of the both sexs per person Now I hope Judge Richard Hayward having adjourned sentencing to September 6 takes the financial costs of their crimes into consideration, when he is considering jail. They have been convicted on very clear evidence of a serious offence. Let us hope the punishment fits the crime.
They are affecting the couples that really do want to get married and be together & not to just use the system to stay in the UK. These idiots are the reason i havnt seen my fiance for 3 months. And its quite easy for men to bring their tai brides over!!!! Makes me angry!!
Paul, NW, UK, What were the sentences? What do you think? This is England we're talking about. He won't go to jail
Sorry but Ido not believe there is an office to deal with any of their scams . To try it they had to have known they could most likely get away with it .
Do gooders are ruining what used to be our lovely country
Jail every last one of them.
He was only trying to help people. We (those of us born in the UK) take what we have for granted, spare a thought for those who have to live their lives in terrible conditions and abject poverty.
Thats disgusting and that man is an absolute disgrace to the church. I hope they throw the book at him
How about 360 years in prison for him and then see who's willing to do sham weddings...
Thats disgusting and that man is an absolute disgrace to the church. I hope they throw the book at him
I hope the sentence will match the ungodly assault against the sacrament of marriage will be long and arduous. So much for worshiping in `spirit and truth`
Make him name them all.
This man is a disgrace.
I hope Reverend Brown is going to be thrown out of the Church of England, for making a total mockery of marriage. Is he going to lose his vicarage home (which I presume he has) and is he going to face charges? I do hope all the records will be followed up and the fakers deported... but I won't hold my breath.
Surely, all those who entered into bogus marriages should not be allowed to stay here! Never mind jailing the priest and the other man. The Eastern Europeans should be jailed and the people they 'married' should be sent home. They have no legal basis for staying here. This country has to be the softes touch for criminals, illegal immigrants and cheats.
God help this country!
Simple solution. Change the immigration laws so that non-EU foreigners do not get the right of UK residency by marrying an EU national, especially a non-British EU National.
Were the dumping ground for anything in this country, illegal immigrants, sham marrages, child trafficking, prostitute trafficking, you name it we have it, and now the church is at it, "so much for the church of England", he has made me feel ashamed of my church, and my country, this must be just about as low as anyone can get, and a church man at that. I feel dirty, and in need of a bath, just how disgusting, can you get.
The immigration industry is a multi-million, if not multi-billiion pound, industry. There are so many people feeding off it that obviously there is little desire to kill the goose who is laying the golden egg. The only way to halt excessive immigration is to target the industry behind it, this case may be a start but it is a drop in the ocean.
What a disgrace!
Surely, as I have thought for a long time, any marriage between two foreign nationals should be checked out several times over the course of five years. If they are found to be still together after five years, consider it a legal marriage. If separated or divorced within five years, then the marriage should be considered bogus and both parties deported (if found). .
Every dodgy marriage conducted in the lst twenty years should be made void and both parties deported
2 Boeing 747s should be enough to take them ALL home then...........
The cost to the tax payer of all this will be tens of millions in benefits. The Great Train Robbers each got 20 to 30 years for nicking 2 million. What do you think these guys will get ?? A slap on the wrist and some counselling.
In the fullness of time, no doubt some appeal court judge will decide that the marriages were legitimate, and that the all the people involved will be allowed to stay in the UK as it would contravene their human rights to do otherwise. Watch this space !!
Marriage is a blessed ritual that has now been corrupted by many. Bring out those hoovers, a major clean up is needed in Registry Office.
He should be defrocked and all who married in this manner should be brought to justice which means sending those who gained entry to stay in the UK back from whence they came.
What hope is there for this country, when I read articles like this I despair, no wonder depression is so prevalent in this country these days.
Made over a Million Quid!! - How much will we get back??
I do not see a change in the direction of the honest hard worker, in this country, that was promised by this Government. Maybe, it is a case that any Government is powerless to actually enforce changes needed, So, what is the point?
This should be the easiest scam for Border Agency staff. Why have they not got a special unit allocated to it?
Can someone please explain how a EU national can marry a Non-EU national in this country therefore allowing the Non-EU national rights to live in this country? Can't the rule be changed so that the Non-EU national only gets access to the EU national's country? So discouraging "sham" marriages.
Don't suppose Cameron and his pal Cable will have the will to do much about this.
Sirs, Is any illegal immigrant EVER deported from the UK? 'Yuman Rites' only ever apply to the immigrant ( legal, or otherwise) and not to the majority population, whichever Govenment is in office!
Nothing more surprises me in this country of ours anymore.
I have lost faith in the Church and the Goverment and gt Britain
What a total mess this Country is in.
What a total mess this Country is in.
I trust that every one of these 360 fake couples will be rounded up and expelled from the UK - and that they will find room on the plane for one more: the Rev Alex Brown!
I'll ask the question again. How does marrying an eastern european qualify an african to live in Britain ?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THOSE MARRIED? 380 IN ONE CHURCH OVER 4 YEARS CAN BE MULTIPLIED ACROOS THE WHOLE OF bRITAIN.
I hope the Vicar and his cohorts get long sentances as should be, and the sham marriage couples rounded up and deported. No human rights included. This country has had enough, If this government doesn't do it, then we the British people will vote in a party that will.
What is going to happen to the sham marrieds ?
Whats a matter with this country how long can we afford this cheating and abuseing of our benefits could we do the same in their countries. We have to many do/goodies.
Maybe god spoke to him - Jason Brahman, London UK, 29/7/2010 Why all the red arrows for this comment? It's called HUMOUR for God's sake!!!
This story will die down and not be mentioned again. It will cost more to round them up and deport them. Plus they will all have children or be "key workers" in the NHS and so be intitled to stay.
Well done to the Border Agency. It's nice to see a government department actually earn its keep for once. Now go after all those sham marriages and eject them from this country. Remember each illegal immigrant ejected is going to save this country a lot of money, so that more than justifies the cost. In times of budgets being tightened this is more like an investment. The more money spent the more it saves. - Paul Harris, Somerset, 29/7/2010 16:24 You are joking? This is a Government Agency who has FAILED to notice these sham marriages by granting a settlement Visa!!! Do you know all the documents you have to submit to get that? These people were granted Visas to live here - is that not ridiculous!!??
I too am glad to be an atheist.
A vicar mis-using the cloth is no different than police mis-using the uniform. Maximum penalty please.
Each and every participant in this fraud are also guilty of Perjury. As they were aided and abetted by the 'Vicar' he should now be defrocked. Perjury is considered a very serious offence by the Church, bore false witness. Further, he has defiled the sanctity of marriage, the Church and God. Those who perpetrated these 'events' should have their 'marriages' annulled and all then deported, that is If the justice system means anything in this feeble and broken land., I think we all owe the UK Border Agency a debt of gratitude for unravelling this series of crimes and wish them well in their quest to help return the Great into G.B., showing we are not quite the soft touch we used to be.
Every dodgy marriage conducted in the lst twenty years should be made void
Will the abuse of our country never end?........
I hope the 'priest' and all the others involved get fined to the fullest extent possible
They should BOTH be jailed for life for High Treason!!!!
Deport them??? Not a hope in hell.
I bet this is the tip of a huge iceberg.
Annul them, they were illegal, and deport the participants in this fraud also charge the Vicar for aiding and abetting in the fraud.
No doubt they will appeal on Human "Rites" grounds!
Are they going to track down the cheats and deal with them to the fullest extent of the law or does that only apply to locals?
I really despair of some of the things that go on in this country. Yet again the system is being milked. Why dont we do what Australia does any smell of an illegal action and they are out. Maybe if lawyers were not so interested in lining their pockets by defending and an example was set by the government, no papers no entry must be here 2 years before being allowed to get married we may see an end to these farces. How dare the government cut services to genuine people when they could save a fortune by stopping this sort of thing.
...so what were the sentences? Not mentioned in the article.
This man is a disgrace
Took them long enough to notice .4 years and 380 marriages instead of 13 makes you wonder what the registrar general does, they should be the 1st to notice and then contact UK Border Agency.
So what happens next will these people be deported back to the country or origin. No they have human rights if they brake the law they lose all rights in my opinion.
if they didn't give real addresses or even names - there is no chance of finding them! One more cock-up - will we ever learn? Bankrupt Britain - morally and financially.
I wonder how many of the 350 couples that got illegally married will be tracked down by immigration and deported... answers on a postcard.. - Sharon W, Parede Portugal, 29/7/2010 15:47 -answers on a microdot more like it.
Great - even men of the cloth are at it! what chance does this country have with so many law breakers Sharon from Portugal - I know the answer to that one = NONE
It is easy to track all those people First, they must know their name, with that simple detail, they can trace their IN. Cancel their IN if they have one, once you dont have an IN number you start to pay taxes with an emergency code, which more than doubles(+ or -) the money you are paying in taxes. Second, cancel the benefits those people are receiving, they are for sure getting some kind. Suddenly, if you are getting instead of £300 a week in salary you get £200 because of taxes and you dont get any benefits, Britain doesnt seem an attractive place to be anymore, unless you are here because of the lovely wheather. It is important to notice that some of those couples may be really got married for love and they must have a chance to prove that. That's no discrimination against anyone, just common sense. Is that anyone still remember what it means?
Now check all his records and deport every single one of them, send him with them.
Why are the people who are acting illegally being protected by not showing us their faces, if we could see who they were we could help the police find them as they will never manage alone.
Tip of the iceburg, this has been going on for years. Whats the bet that they wont be deported, we are too soft and their human rights of course.
You can bet that the sham marriages will not be investigated and they will all be allowed to live happily ever after, drawing benefits.
In the US, if a US citizen marries a non-US citizen, immigration carries out an interview two years after the marriage to make sure the couple are really a couple.
Well done to the Border Agency. It's nice to see a government department actually earn its keep for once. Now go after all those sham marriages and eject them from this country. Remember each illegal immigrant ejected is going to save this country a lot of money, so that more than justifies the cost. In times of budgets being tightened this is more like an investment. The more money spent the more it saves.
These people are destroying the country simply to line their own pockets. The sentences will be derisory no doubt. Five years is not long enough for this 'man of the cloth'. The couples concerned should be deported forthwith. No chance of that either!
Well ' Reverend' be sure your sins have found you out !!!!!!!!!!!!! What a hypocrite!! all done in the name of the Good Book, I am glad to be atheist.
Maybe god spoke to him
Track them down and round them up and deport them right away no questions asked IS THIS BEYOND the wit of the police and government . I think not so crack on with it right away
I guess deporting those in the country illegally due to this would be racist.
Once again the church has shown its self to be involved in falsehoods.
just put him on a cross and don't forget the nails
Disgusted! Deport Buchak and send the vicar with him! Greed is a sin!
No questions, no excuses, no liberal elite pontificating, this pair of idiots used and abused their position and contacts to conduct 'sham' marriages to allow yet more illegal immigrants to remain in UK. Jail for at least 3 years, fined heavily and for every one of the people involved in the sham marriages that Brown conducted to be deported.
This is what the police should have been dealing with years ago instead of the poor defenceless vehicle owners.
i think this is just dreadful, but is it any worse than 13 years of New Labour who let anybody into the country and failed totally to deport illegal immigrants. Now we have the Coalition Government which are just carrying on the same and hiding behind crazy judicial decisions. What is required is a radical change in the law so that we can deport any person back to their country of origin once a case has been proved against them and no more appeals. I won't hold my breath on this one.
You do not expect a vicar to be involved in this type of thing. I hope they throw the book at him.....as long as it is not the bible. Seriously I hope he goes to jail and the Ukrainian guy gets deported. But i bet all those who were "married" will be allowed to stay here because of their "Human Rights". I hope not so please Teresa May make sure they are all kicked out.
A nice little earner for the cleric - if he believed in what he preached then he would never have done this - marriage is supposed to be a holy sacrament. I've met quite a few clergy who are only in it for the status & don't believe in God - or anything else apart from being called 'Reverend' and having high expenses. What's the betting the Bishop will stand up for him?
Deport the lot of them!
and they all lived happily ever after ..... at the taxpayers expense
Bad enough Nulabor doing this for moronic sake, we now have a member of the cloth profiting from it. England is now official dumping ground for wastrels beggars murderers rapists and thieves. No need for more prisons just put a sign at Dover port saying Euroland prison ship.
The real haters of G.B come to light AND WE ARE NOT SURPRISED..Of course they are all here for our fine weather and to work hard .JAIL THEM .
Now find all these people he has married,annul and deport. It would be interesting to see how many are still married or have gone their separate ways as planned? Possibly to go on and marry someone else.
I wonder how many of the 350 couples that got illegally married will be tracked down by immigration and deported... answers on a postcard..
Mr. Brown (who is not worthy to be addressed as 'referend') is not the first cleric who confused whatever vocation he thought he had with that of a social worker -and a bent one at that. It is hoped he will be defrocked, but it is depressingly unlikely. Sadly in the CofE today almost every peccadillo - most especially one like that indulged in by Mr. Brown - is tolerated or forgiven in the name of 'Christian Charity'. Edmund Briffa de Saint Vincent
If these marriages are found to be "Sham" does that make them null and void and he people involved liable to deportation ?
Traitors, the lot of them! I hope the marriages will now be annuled and all citizenship rights are stripped from the couples.
The Düsseldorf Standesamt (wedding registry) made my wife and I jump through many, many hoops before we were given permission to marry - but even now, with memories of hundreds of kilometres of red tape still fresh in my mind - I completely understand why they did this, and support their view. Marriage is not something to be taken lightly - at least, that is not the case over here.
Well I guess there has to be a list of those married? Send them back from whence they came! Cheaper than putting them in jail or paying their Benefits.....
I now want to hear how many of the illegals are being pursued, rounded up and deported. It's okay, only joking, I know we can't ecpect anything so sensible what with Human Rights, taxpayer funded multi-layered appeals processes and a shambolic border control,
Since when do vicars not gain financially from marriages & funerals? His bishop called him "naive"! Somewhat of an understatement.
Can't show their faces because of their Human Rights. It might jeopadise their stay and their Benifit payment
'These sentences show just how seriously the courts take these kinds of offences,' he said. Lets hope that they take it seriously enough to remove all the sham couples from the UK. Somehow I doubt it.
i dont know whats worse the crimes he commited or the poor sentence he was given,you call this justice.
-Disillusioned, England.:- You didn't mention the Dodgy bankers, why!!!!!!!!
All involved deport immediately no redress confiscate all monies and property of people involved, church to pay for benefits paid out to all illegals then we may have some recompense.
Great, but will all these people he has married now be rounded up and deported? I very much doubt it.
are these persons being located, knowingly they lied.....round them up and send them back to where they come from ...this minister, needs to be locked up and the key thrown away what an affront to his profession, DISGUSTING
I hpe vigorous efforts are being made to trace all these people, prosecute them were possible and get back as much of our money obtained through fraudulant claims as possible, anul these fake marriages and deport all those that should not be here. Be awful if we infringed their human rights though, wouldn't it?
Maybe he was just trying to get "bums on pews"!
I hope they deported all the crooked foreigners who took part in these sham marriages. I hope the vicar (man of the cloth) was defrocked or declothed for his natural life.
His religion teaches him not to turn away people who come to him to seek shelter. How do we know the circumstances of those he helped? In a great number of cases they're fleeing for their lives. He didn't do it for profit as the judge said, so he must have been acting on moral grounds or compassionate ones, something that's greatly lacking in our country now, judging by these + similar comment pages. I think we've become a nation of "LET THEM EAT CAKE!"
Where does the money come from for these sham marriages? I think a gang is paying for them to increase the population numbers into UK from certain countries.
what the point of Jailing an elderly man like this.He is surely not a danger to anyone. Four years is too much,and he did not commit any crime.
The problem is that many priests in the CofE probably think that this was a good thing to do in the name diversity/equality/social inclusion/ justice, etc., etc.
If he has records of these marriages then the police should find these people and deport them asap.
4 yeare...hardly a deterrent for others to follow in his footsteps!
This country is turning into a cess-pit where even some 'men of the cloth' are simply money-grabbing degenerates. However, everything boils down to one thing - our political system allows it to happen. Remember that when you next cast your vote.
Anything to get parishoners!
I would have jailed him for much much longer. He colluded in fraud. There is no way he never realised these were sham marriages.
The Vic should have got 20yrs, for betraying the trust.
So what ,if anything, has the Archbishop of Canterbury got to say about this? And what was Browns bishop doing? Asleep at the alter?
Another case of the little man getting all the blame. What about Tony Bliar
Good man. He didn't steal the money, he was earning them by helping people. While the guys from the government were restricting human rights of neediest and stealing taxpayers money.
How dare this man change the very fabric of out country . How many more are here that should not . How many times will the goverments turn the other way . Border contols that do not work , because there is knowhere to put them then they vanish .
I now pronounce you NICKED, my son! Otherwise known as 'Surplice' to requirements.
He even looks like a crook
Traitor
Even if the vicar didn't personally make a penny out of it he has effectively embezzled money from the tax payer to pursue his own agenda What a disgraceful abuse of the trust afforded to him.
Further to my previous comments: Why are the faces of the sham brides & grooms blurred? These people are criminals - they should be identified. They do not deserve anonimity. THEY ALL KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
As the vicar was employed by the Church of England, then the costs of deporting those involved should be borne by his employer. No?
Dodgy vicars. Dodgy M.P.s Dodgy policemen. Dodgy tycoons. Dodgy cricketers. Dodgy footballers. Dodgy this,that,and the other. Is there anything left in this country which is anywhere near decent and respectable ??
as with all the other comments,we know the couples he married illegaly, will stay, on their benefits etc
Justice has been done, for a change.
4 years? He's hardly a "danger to the public" after this. He could lose his right to carry out weddings, do some community service (probably better than most people who are given it) and get on with his life. The bogus couples should be booted out and DANGEROUS, VIOLENT CRIMINALS are the ones who belong in prison, not misguided old fogey vicars. Ridiuculous.
It really shouldn't be that difficult to track these people down. Find them, imprison them, deport them.
- Amy, UK, 6/9/2010 15:11 I didn't have a registrar at my wedding because the clergyman who took the service was empowered to be the registrar. I believe that this is true for all Church of England clergy, I'm not sure whether it is true for other religio
Ok, he should not have done this and should certainly have been punished for doing so. But considering how many really bad nasty, vicious criminals who commit grave acts of violence to others get off with far less than this
Presumably the police have the names of all those married illegally..I wonder how many of them will be turfed out of the country. .Do'nt hold your breath folks !!!!!
Lock him up and through the key away. The punishment should be severe so others will learn from this example. But then again ... our Human rights will protect anyone breaking the law. I know he will be out in no time and will do the same . When are we gonna earn from these examples??? when?
Shame on him!
Good news so far but we wait for the news that all illegal participants are being kicked out of OUR country.
Pointless, unless the authorities track down all the people who entered into bogus marriages and THROW them out! They gained permission to stay under false pretences and they have no right to be here.
At least some marriages end in divorce, but illegal immigration rarely ends in deportation.
Now it's time to find and kick out the happy couples.??
He's been gaoled for two years, not four.
Why on earth did the trial take seven weeks ?
No mention of the Home Office tracking down all those Nigerians who have obtained ' indefinite' stay by deception and arresting them then? Surely this is a crime in the UK? Or will they just claim their human rights are being violated so its too much trouble for the Home Office?
Once again, a sign of the times..........4 years for this fraudulent priest, 6 months for a beefy 6ft+ policeman who seriously assaults a small lady. It sends the message loud and clear......knocking tiny women unconscious is small time crime, but mess with the almighty dollar and you're looking at a long stretch. I don't know if it's just me, but I have the strange feeling that the world we used to know and understand is evolving into something distinctly wrong and unpleasant, while we sit idly by unable to quite comprehend it.
Money is the root of all Evil.
Of course the authorities will be tracking down all the illegal immigrants involved wont they ? No I thought not, too much trouble to get off their shiny backsides no doubt!
If the authorities have the details of the shamed marriages, then all of those marriages should be cancelled and the people found and sent back to the country they came from and if there are any official UK people involved, they too should be jailed. But I guess that would be wishful thinking with a coalition government with tweedle dee and tweedle dum in charge - Not their problem before but it is all of their problem now.
Great, now let's kick out all those married by him !
No way is this long enough and please tell me the happy couples are going to be hunted down and kicked out. No! thought not. How utterly stupid this Country is
I still laugh at that cartoon. The vicar saying ‘apart from me, if anybody knows any reasons or just impediments why these people may not be joined in holy matrimony…’
Why was there there no registrar present...as the law said there had to be at my wedding?
Some folks will do anything for a back hander !
Wow, 4 years, never thought they'd jail him. Maybe other Clergy reading this will take heed.
When they have the opportunity to make an example, what do they do? 40 years would be my choice!
all those involved with the fake weddings should be rounded up and and sent back to their own country, at full cost to the vicar and co.
He should have been charged with treason.
all those involved with the fake weddings should be rounded up and and sent back to their own country, at full cost to the vicar and co.
Amen.
And what of the couples that were involved in these "sham" marriages? What are we doing to them? Are we tracking them down and kicking them out of the country? Please say yes. I am so sick of hearing about how lenient we are on immigrants.
What our stupid government going to do about it????????????????????????
What a joke, get us out of the EU
Pensioners, who have contributed to this country all their working lives are being poorly treated and struggling to get by and the government gives them a further kick in the teeth by allowing something like this to happen. It's about time the people we put into power to look after our interests started do their job. Blair feathered his own nest, Brown made a mess of things even though he wasn't elected as Prime Minister and now it looks as if this lot haven't got the backbone to sort things out. God save us from politicians.
THATS , why the conservatives want to build new council houses on greenbelt land near YOU !
There's a reason they come here. Only the UK will give them vast sums in "social welfare" Try pulling this stunt in France or Germany for example
all the mps wont mind,they will be non located where they live.
Yet another reason why my move to Canada was the best decision I ever made. Good luck UK, it looks like you're going to need it!
5 years residence before accessing ANY benefits and some need a 10 year residence. This is beyond stupid
Does it matter the Country has gone to the dogs anyway?
A joke our goverment is one big joke all out to fill there own pockets don't care about poor sick they get private medical and big pension,s we fools pay for big shake up needed
I recommend you all forward this email to the conservative party or your local MP and the Liberals and voice exactly what you think.otherwise this could be a disaster.
Please bring me back our GREAT BRITAIN. So very sad that it has come to this. This has got to stop, RIGHT NOW. PLEASE.
Now would be an excellent time for a referendum on leaving the EU.............
This finally convinces me and many others that UK should exit the European Union. We need a referendum as soon as possible.
I wish the British taxpayer would wake up. Politians have ruined this country and its about time something was done but don' t hold your breath
this story ive never seen so many likes on a comment before on the daily mail comment oh and i gave an up for the comment
Were full to the brim as it is!,
I am Bulgarian and I 've been living here for 3 years. Britain's has given me loads more than my own country. Its harsh to say say it but I am not moving from here. Although Britain has given me loads , I have been working hard , studying and never had any benefits. I didn't come here because of the benefits. I just found a life which I wanted to have. Mainly people make me feel better here not those 'benefits'. Those picture don't describe the life in Bulgaria , the Media has decided to use them just to make their story more interesting. I agree with the fact that many East Europeans are coming here because they get benefits etc but many people work hard , in fact twice more than some English to make sure they are going to have a good future and provide a good life to their families. Many English people have children at the age of 18 just to get and live on benefits. I may be only 20 years old but I have a strong opinion about that and I want to show the English community
Time to pull up the drawbridge.
THIS CAN'T BE ALOUD TO HAPPEN, WAKE UP CAMERON. Keith4/Lidlow
Now I know why Cameron wants to build on Green belt land they are going to need somewhere to live! Yes the our country is under Cameron!! NOT
Referendum NOWWWWWWWW
Folks, this story is incorrect. If someone has not been resident in the UK for 6 months and or they haven't paid NI for 6 months they will get zilch from the state and this applies to Britons too even if they've lived and worked here paying tax and NI all their lives. Check-out the fact for yourselves folks......(!)
Well Cameron what youi got to say?????? Nice one Clegg what have you got to say???? Not much I suppose.
this is why this once great britain is the laughing stock of the world.
the rules need changing, you put nothing in, you get nothing out..............
This article has ruined my Cristmas, also made me realise how much I HATE Blair, Brown, and now Cameron, they will all go down in history as the people who destroyed this country,!! We the electorate are just as much to blame, we just sat back and allowed it to happen, as the saying goe's we reap what we sow, and I fear for the lives of the next generation. Sorry folks, but the Christmas spirit or goodwill I woke up to, has now disappeared, and I blame our useless politicians.!!!!
I get the feeling that the British public have finally had enough. The government should expect mass demonstrations if nothing is done to stop this disgusting breach of our generosity and tolerance.
The answer to every single problem in the UK today in control immigration - Schools too full? Immigration. Hospitals running beyond capacity? Immigration. Under 21's unable to get work? Immigration. Sort things out now.
Shut the borders now Cameron!!!!
How about the Government sends £29 million pounds over there and not let them in. It will save a lot aof aggro for UK residents and probably be a lot less costly in the long run.
Where the heck are they going to live...?
I suppose the next thing we will hear is that unemployment is going down and in the next census that total population is 65 million. Dream on!
Let the politicians put them up in their gardens and on the green by the houses of parliament, Checkers is only used at weekends, and all the grace and favour houses the government has could be opened up for them, as most politicians have two homes i'm sure they will be able to accomadate loads !!!!
WE are not tolerant we are furious at a governmant that doesnt give a monkeys about its own citizens.Don't come you are not welcome. call me Dave put a neon sign at borders telling all Britain is full.Do it or we will.Referendum NOW.
Nu-Liebour let in 3 million immigrants...Nu-Liebour built fewer houses per year than in the 30`s...Nu-Liebour nodded through the enlargement of the EU to let Romania and Bulgaria in.....Nu-Labour ratified the Lisbon Treaty to give the EU more powers...........But it is the co-alitions fault. ....Damien McBride has had a good day briefing most of the posters on here to-day.
For those who says France should take them, no thanks! We already have to take 200 000 Algerians a year without people's consent, which is the size of a city. We should all stop taking all these people who only come ''milk the cow''.
I do feel sorry for these people, particularly the children, but if we continue to share resources which we haven't actually got then before long we will all be sharing in their deprivation too, and their miserable lives will be ours as well. The UK is ALREADY FULL, and has been for some time. There are no more vacancies, and this country will pay a high price if it's forced to keep creating them.
Our Government will not do anything to stop this trash of people coming to us. They are to scared to upset Brussels. We need a Government that needs guts. lets face it they can't even get rid of one ( Abu Qutada) some Home Secretary we got. Lets face a people we are the laughing stock of the world.
Why are people on here complaining? They are ones responsible for voting in past and current political parties. You get what you deserve.
Why did our fathers and grandfathers go through hell and to loose so many valuable lives to win a war, only to be dictated to by the countries they fought? Perhaps we should have let the other side win the war; we wouldn't be in this mess that¿s for sure, and perhaps there wouldn't be so many wanting to enter the UK.
What is Janus going to do to protect us from this predicted influx? Nothing, both of his faces will be looking the other way.
That is EXACTLY what the Brits fought for in WWII. Enjoy, embrace, love it.
It's not the immigrants that's the problem, it's the government that lets them stay and claim all the money that British people work hard for. British people then think instead of working they will claim benefits aswell and bring their kids up to think the same. British people don't mind people coming into the country as long as they provide something beneficial and have equal rights , not more rights!
If don't like Bulgaria, why lot a British people come to Bulgaria on holiday, buy property and live permanently. Over 2 million people from Poland live in UK from 2004. Nobody talk about them just Bulgarian is worse people in EU . The British people is not welcome in Bulgaria any more. P.S 29 m Bulgarians and Romanians will move in Uk after 2014. That story is real like story of end of the world 21.12.12
lol, Good luck bro.....
How many comments. Come on mr Cameron, wake up !!!
On the other hand 60 million Britains will be able to go and live there
This is so funny! There are not 29m bulgarians and romanians.. Hurry up we need to find more people.. Like we are all gonna move to UK and beg. The president, the doctors, the teachers will go to UK to steal and beg. Romania and Bulgaria will remain an empty space with not a single human. UK, you don't flatter yourself .. there are better countries to live in. And try to make an effort to understand the difference between gypsy and romanian/bulgarian.
This is scary where is the money and houses going to come from to give to these people, they don't want to work well that won't be a problem because, all the jobs have already been taken, if you go into Peterborough, the agencies have a notice in some of the windows, saying no English, you go in the factories in Peterborough, Huntingdon,Grantham,spalding,Milton Keynes, Loughborough, Northampton you will not hear English being spoken, and don't tell me that the English don't want these jobs because I know at least 20 who would like to get a job tomorrow but have been turned away because they cannot speak any other language but English, UKIP or BNP will be the people I vote for next time.
Where does all the money come from that pays for housing, food etc. Do people really believe that in the UK we get homes, education and our lives for free? Time to learn mandarin!!!!!
29m Bulgarians? Come on DM, you let us down on this one! DO SOME RESEARCH!!! You told us, a few years ago when Bulgaria joined the EU they would all be on our doorsteps on the first of Jan that year. There are around 4 million Bulgarians in total, most seem to be still in their own country!
The funny thing these immigrants especially the Eastern Europeans hate us. It's tune we unite as a nation and stand up against this mass immigration from EVERYWHERE! Go to America, Australia, Germany etc Anywhere but here.
Britain does not need them and the British people do not want them.
To all those leaving "time to leave the UK" type comments, yes please DO leave. This country needs fewer up-tight types who love to complain (but take little action), and can't see a scaremongering, poorly written article for what it is. Millions of Romanian gypsies will not be moving here.- Be Nice, Brighton, 24/12/2012 13:51 +++++++++++++++++++++++++Millions of Poles moved here when they joined the EU so much so that there is now a shortage of labour in Poland, do you really think that these "poor" Bulgarians and Romanians who could work in Poland in they wanted but don't won't jump at the chances of coming to Britain, just like all the other immigrants who pass through many countries to get here.
I wish DM would do some research before writing ridiculous comments as they will be able to come over and get handouts etc! I work in the housing/support work sector and I know that individuals from A8 countries such as Romania are UNABLE to get ANY benefits, housing, health care etc UNLESS they are working! IF they do not work, they are not entitled and can only get help if they are. If they stop, it is all stopped. So please research appropriately before spouting such rubbish! - livinginthebath, bath, 24/12/2012 13:01 It was widely reported that a man with 10 children came to London from Bulgaria to seek benefits. They lived on the streets and because they had children they were instantly housed to safeguard the children.So you are talking nonsense.
Dear Sue Reid, I am Romanian and I find it hard to believe that you actually consider yourself a journalist if this is the professional way you have chosen to depict two Eastern European countries. You are clearly trying to mislead the readers into thinking Romania and Bulgaria are all about Roma people and that we do not lead a normal life here. I have also been to Sofia which is actually a city worth visiting and Fakulteta is indeed one of the poor suburbs of the capital. Let me guess, London or other European capitals do not have such poor suburbs? The fact that you are trying to bring forward a bad image for any country does not make you worthy of your profession. And the video about Romania you've added to this article!! Are you serious? I'm happy to see that you have already received a lot of criticism from the readers who did not actually buy into this xenophobic article. Do as all a favor and stop promoting such stupidity!
According to wikipedia in Romania lives 19,042,936 peoples (2011 census) and in bulgaria 7,364,570 peoples (2011 census) . So... summing all the romanian and bulgarians we have... about 26 milions souls. Anyone believe that all of them will go to the UK ? I believe not...- Costea Bogdan , bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 14:34 +++++++++++++++ Why's that then, what have they got to keep them in their Bulgaria and Romania.
Close the gates before the UK loses any last chance of being what was once a great country where OUR kids had a future.
Canvey island has a few empty houses waiting for benefit munchers!!!!
This article does not say that 29 million people will be coming, just that they are legally entitled. It is the quality of the would-be immigrants that is a concern. No other European country hands out state benefits on the scale Britain does, that is why we are so attractive to these people. It is clear many of them will be a burden on the state, at a time when we are full and have run out of money. It is insane.
these people are generally well brought up and well dressed, so they should be welcomed to the uk, and we should get rid of the scruffy foul mouthed EDL and UKIP supporters!
this goverment will allow this to happen,and within 6mths on the uk being flooded the goverment will say,that unemployment has risen to a whole new high,you the tax payers you the uk citezens will have to have a cut in money,bearing in mind the goverment wont take any cuts in there money ,the uk is just about boomed,WE NEED A NEW GOVERMENT ,VOTE THE UKIP ,LABOUR AND THE TORIES HAVE PROVEN OVER THE YEARS THAT WE THE PUBLIC DONT MEAN A THING,COULD IT BE ANY WORSER TO TRY A NEW GOVERMENT,WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO LOSE NOW,
why do you think i left ..... i paid for years into the system............. if i went back now , would i get help...... NO..... it stinks the bloody system stinks !!!!!!
God help us! Of course David Cameron will not be living anywhere near them, he will not be troubled by them. I am ashamed to admit I voted for Cameron, but never again, UKIP from now on, lets hope it is not too late. TOO MANY PEOPLE, on one tiny island, when will the government learn???? thats not racism, that is common sense. pity the government do not have much of it, they all get in and feather their nest and then move on, and leave us to it!
France has got a lot more space; so lets hope they go there!!!- Angela Hales , Shropshire, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:50***** Of course they wont go there, or any other EU country where you have to actually work before you're entitled to any benefits. Why work for a living when they can just scrounge off a PC state that gives handouts to anyone? If UK actually sorted out their welfare system to look after their own as it was designed, then it wouldnt be such an attraction for immigrants. Payouts should only be received by those who have paid in - like elsewhere in EU! Why do you think they all want to go to UK? Its not for the weather for sure!
Yet another reason we should be out of this failed and corrupt social experiment NOW
I suspect the people in Kensington and Leamington Spa who accuse us of xenophobia and intolerance are unlikely to be unduly bothered by these immigrants .. But other areas of this country are basically in danger ..these people are coming purely to avail themselves of all the benefits that they can so easily get once here,. They will bring the less savoury elements of the culture and increase the crime, schools will be flooded by children who cannot speak English, thus interfering with the education of other children , there are thousands of the indigenous population who need homes , how are these people going to be housed, disabled people with genuine need are losing their benefits as the bill is too costly, how is the government going to pay benefits to vast numbers of immigrants ..this country cannot cope with this , the Government have got to do something .very very urgently
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam, Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 --------------------- Sam your a allodoxaphobic. Let's brand everybody with a word to try and make them feel bad. The country is full and can't cope plain and simple no more should be allowed in Unless they are highly skilled we have enough big issue sellers.
Country is already swamped. Immigration has been out of control for too long. It is a recipe for disaster!
We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. And these gypsies in the slums of Sofia can hardly wait....................SO WHY ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN ??????????
Take a lesson from Northern Island, when they sent them a load of Roma they didn't last a week before they were begging to go back to London.
And they use to be concerned about Commonwealth citizens a few years ago......Ah! Be careful what you wish for.
From a practical viewpoint, here in London, there are not enough school places (and some schools have over 300 languages, other than English, as first language); NHS provision is not coping with current population; same with other council services and other essential services. How is this country going to cope with the continuing flow in of population? Where are the jobs for these people (we are an economy in decline); and where are they going to live, as there are not enough housing stock for existing population? New Labour who committed this country to this EU Policy have some explaining to do and how will they deal with this when they get in next time.
The human race needs to learn not to breed until they have something to offer a child,a lot of poverty in the world would be ended if we could do this one simple thing! Perhaps millions should be ploughed in offering free contraception worldwide for a start and in this country capping benefits after two kids as well!
I see the predictable left-wingers are complaining about others actually having the cheek to question this immigration issue or horror of horrors, actually questioning why is Britain being sailed straight down the route of total destruction. Mentioning winding up dm readers, or dog-whistles, or bigots or the other banal words of the left-winger's dictionary is the traditional way to crush free speech and avoid the real issue.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas- sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 Well let them come and live next door to you and ill put money on it you wouldn't be saying this then. Do gooders like you are the reason this country is in the state it is. Maybe if the government and polititians had these people living amongst them, they would close the floodgates in a heartbeat!!!
Even India and China have much much tougher controls. Great Britain, our precious country is just open to abuse by these people and their warped mentality to steal and take as much as they can without contributing. It really is disgusting. Somehow I think in the next 5-10 years Great Britain will lose it's place in the world economy with all this looting.
No-one, of any nationality, should be allowed in unless they have a signed contract of employment.
It would be so easy to bring in a law that immigrants to this country are only entitled to the benefits they would receive in their home country (usually nothing!) until they have been here and paid NI and Income tax for a full five years.
This surely indicates that we are a caring and reasonable society; these people do not want to go to Germany or France. We are a part of the EU and cannot ignore the rules even if the rest do. Do we not pride ourselves on being a tolerant multi cultural society; we have most of Ireland¿s traveller population so what difference will a few more make. If we fear an increase in crime then that can be dealt with by our Police and Courts, not to difficult to hand out a few more community service orders or ASBOS. Anyway the children will be under the age of criminal responsibility. And on the positive side it will provide more employment, Solicitors, Interpreters, Social workers etc and their extra taxes will go towards paying the additional benefits. This is great for Britain.
It's a harsh and hard truth but England CANNOT afford to keep letting people in just because we feel sorry for them, it would be at the expense of what little value this country has left
WELCOME !
.....wish Mrs T was still in charge.....
But still the Great British sheep will vote lib/lab/con and the other fools will say I'm not voting, so what do we all expect. I believe UKIP is our last hope but the media that seem to run things will smear them and the little sheep will fall for it.
Some very nice fertile ground here for Labour to help give those in their upper echlons a lucrative income - looks like their traditional supporters deserve this more than anyone else! You get what you vote for.....apparently?
Great.... it's bad enough as it is!!
Trust me, Fakulteta is a safer place to pass through than some areas in the so called "financial capital of the world" like Peckam, Tottenham, Deptford, Lewisham, to name just a few. The total population of Bulgaria and Romania makes about 28 million people. Do you really believe the UKIP that all of them would prefer to live in a country with high rates of street violence, burglary, crimes; poor health service; high rents and low wages and where every single day somebody kills their family or at least their pet or punches a stranger on the street?!!! Merry Christmas and don't worry about the immigrants from EU.
This needs to stop NOW. If there is a loop hole found in the EU rules why isn't anything being done about it? Our country has reached saturation point with all these people ready for the free this, free that. Makes you want to weep.
Rubbish is not collected,roads are not paved,housing is made from rubbish picked from dump,no work.what do these authorities expect to happen. The picture of showing rows upon rows of what I assume to be soviet era apartment buildings say it all. There are housing or better still housing them is possible .
I have just found another 29 million reasons for this country ot leave the EU.
more scaremonging lol couldnt even give it a rest ITS CHRIIIIIIIIIISTMAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS!!!!!
To clarify this lie! This area was completly demolished 18 months ago!!!
If this does go through Cameron will never get voted in again ...Him or his party ...Labour party...They aren't even worth mentioning....UKIP from now on, from me, try to get our country back..that's if it is not too late !
Has any country in the entire world got worse politicians than us??
Its not a dislike of foreigners, in their own countries. It is when they come here into the most overcrowded country in Europe. It is when they take our jobs by driving down wages. It is when the overcrowd our hospitals and reintroduce diseases like TB which was almost irradicated in England. It is when they claim benefits on arrival. It is when we read how 29.9% of our population do not consider themselves English (Census 2011) It is when we read how large a percentage compared to population size are in prison or on benefits. It is when we hear the Society for Black lawyers calling the FA institutionally racist. it is when the media and government ignore our history and culture to displace it with someone elses. It is when the media and government continue the lie of the benefits of mass immigration. etc etc I do not hate any foreigner but I do hate the destruction of the English culture and identity caused by mass immigration.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam, Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 No, not selfish. It's just that our generosity has reached it's limit. We are skint . It's all about priorities and the majority of people would rather see our taxes spent on such things as pensions and healthcare for our citizens. Not unreasonable given that is the reason we all pay our taxes.Perhaps you believe funding for these things should be cut?
Many comments say vote UKIP but what would this party be able to do to change this and other situations I believe it willl stay exactly the same with a lot of hot air and promises from whoever gets into government,.
Time for a revolution.
@- james, wirral, 24/12/2012 13:13"THIS BUS IS FULL EVEN WITH STANDING ROOM .?"==> If this happen.. don't get surprise, they will standing on the top roof of the bus.
Let's face it - the UK is now socially and economically finished. Get out if you can.
I'm writing to Cameron , see what he has to say . Everyone do the same .
France has got a lot more space; so lets hope they go there!!!
DO NOT expect Dave Cameron or trhe rest of LIBLABCON to help us--they do not care.
the government are more friendly to people like this than they are too British citizens , these people will get masses of help from the councils and the benefit agency ,now the help that soldiers receive when they are on discharge both medically and retired , they are not allocated any housing many live rough and in cars after refusal of help from councils ,and they have too fight for the right benefit ,my Christmas present if i could afford one would be equal treatment for everyone in this country .
all these people who dont mind these countries people coming over here are the ones who are destroying this country. they just dont know what is going on in my country. they live in ivory towers
Top comments section shows almost 50,000 against immigration--is this appraoching a record DM?
From all the comments people in the UK are rejecting EU, if MR. Cameron not taking any action or no capability to out from EU, may be he should step down. Multiculturalism is good but it does NOT mean they come here, change the law and take benefit.
to all the Bulgarians who are thinking of coming to the UK in the future, London streets are really paved with gold and you can just walk into stores and they will give you food and drink for nothing. londoners are very happy cheery people always smiling. you can go have dinner with the queen and the prime minister, they will be very pleased to entertain you. the sun always shines in london and you can travel free to the south coast where they have lovely beaches with warm safe waters. so please if you come stay in the south east. there is no need to travel far from where you land.
If the E.U. cant break us morally, they will break us financially. That's what they want is'nt it!!!!!!!!.
My god . How the British people were conned by Heath back in the 60s. Who would have thought that a free trade agreement between european countries would have led to Britain being overrun by the people from these countries. They bring nothing to this country but claim benefits and bleed us dry. More pressure on public housing, the NHS and A&Es. Bet these people, like the Somalians take their place at the front of the housing queue. And what is Cameron doing. Absolutely nothing. I don't care because I am 71 and wont be here much longer but I fear for my grandchildren and great grandchildren. We have already reached saturation point and yet they are going to let even more in. What does Bulgaria bring to the EC apart from poverty. They don't bring anything and I bet they won't contribute financially but take out.
If they are coming over here for a better life and are willing to work hard then why not. But the ones that come over and go straight on benefits annoy me!what about people who are English that need help and money e.g people with life taking illnesses.
Just tax them everything else is taxed.
This is why in remote northern towns and villages such as Penrith hundreds of new homes are being built. Not for the indiginous population (unless they are expected to suddenly reproduce in large numbers) but for the present and future influx from the EU. The councils fail to mention this and offer enticements like affordable housing. The probable pressure from government is to build in such places so that by spreading the influx across the country they hope we won't notice. Enough is Enough!
Why would they be coming here when every country has a Benefits system? Answer: Ours is by far the most generous and easily defrauded. Scrap housing benefit, not just for migrants but British under-26s. We must sort ourselves out now.
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas- sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 Utter rubbish! You seem to forget about our housing crisis and rapidly swelling welfare state. You simly can't give what you have not got
Time to close this relationship with the EU Please please a request to this Gov and the coming Gov get us out of the zone as quickly as possible....I was born and brought up here, im not white but i can see a big big change in the face of this country and i am not liking it either.....
You know, this bloke is sitting on an immigration Armageddon where all hell is going to break loose with disgruntled voters in the UK, and Camoron addresses EVERY other issue he can think of--but the one drama that is going to explode on his fat face before very long!!!!
a referendum please and the sooner the better. We are already shuffling the deck chairs on a sinking ship, no matter where you put them, we will go under otherwise.
How do they afford the fare, couldnt afford to go there> Why dont they get togeher and clean up their own country. Being poor doesnt mean you needt to live in filth. ] Got to Africa and see the spotelss areas around the simple huts that people still live in in som areas. they are very proud. Time that te British govt. cleaned up its act and put its ow citizens first.
and the elite party on as the masses are left to deal with more economic stress with thousands more jobs given to non native nationals, just like rome...
let them come,the sooner the better this country implodes the better, as far as im concerned.
Why let these people in when they quite proudly claim there theives and beggers and want to come her to claim our benefits! We pay tax to live here but yet when they come they bring nothing but debt why should they be entitled to anything before they start working. If they don't have work at home they won't find it here. This country needs to take a long look at whats important people from these countries bring nothing but breaking the law to our table. As a nation we are already struggling so why not let a loud more idiots into what is already a country when we have english people on the streets. If there is no home for our own country men then there is definatley no room for these gypsies!
Romanians according to wikipewdia :19,042,936 souls (2011 census) Bulgarians according to wikipedia :7,364,570 souls (2011 census ) You do the math...
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas - sam , Kensington, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 14:15 We have people like you to thank for the mess that we are in... What difference does it make that it is Christmas Eve?
Sadly as said before if you have those dictating policies who base their views more on philosophical dogma than lived reality ,then this is one of the results,because they don't have to live with the consequences of their actions or utterances.
For the British people this is one of the most pivotal moments in your history. An economy can only support a small percentage of unemployment. Those incredible benifits must be paid by someone. Those who wish to enter the country, i can not blame, we all want a better life esp. for our kids. The moment has come that all English people must come together and ask the BIG question. DO WE REALLY WISH TO REMAIN PART OF THIS SINKING SHIP OF A EURO PROJECT?
I'm so glad to now say that I'm a UKIP member and look forward to 2015(or sooner I hope) then we can vote Nigel in and get spineless Dave out. ONLY Nigel will give us THAT referendum to get us out of the useless EU. We MUST put a stop to this mass immigration. We have enough home grown rubbish without importing more every day. Vote UKIP please everyone. The LIB/LAB/CON parties will only keep giving us more of the same.
According to wikipedia in Romania lives 19,042,936 peoples (2011 census) and in bulgaria 7,364,570 peoples (2011 census) . So... summing all the romanian and bulgarians we have... about 26 milions souls. Anyone believe that all of them will go to the UK ? I believe not...
And whichever party is in power we, the people, can do nothing about it.
If this happens I'm off, leave them to it, because what the point they're not listening to us. Do you think they actually care that the majority don't want this? I'd vote UKIP every time in the meantime though.
This lot need to be stopped in their tracks, were full.
There are 19 million romanians and 7 millions bulgarians that is 26 milions in total. Daily mail needs to hire a mathematician... really fast...
The intent of socialism is to destroy the integrity of the individual, the couple, the family, the community, the nation state....
Just what the UK needs :s
Brits living in Bulgaria are entitled to NOTHING form either government. In Bulgaria you have to be self funded. No wonder so many middle aged, financialy secure people are leving the UK as they are fed up working and paying tax for millions to be able to claim and do nothing. Perhaps it should be like the States...community work for handouts No work no money.
Bring it on, the more the merrier. The welfare state is on the verge of collapse anyway. A few million more won't make that much of a difference. I'll high five them on the way in when I'm making my way out.
Only when the people start revolting will the politicians learn, then a leader will emerge who people will listen to.
This is disgusting. 29 million people allowed to live here. We have enough scum of our own. This surely can't be right. What happens if they all turn up on the same day ?? This is very scary.
If allowed in to UK that beautiful country will soon become like the place they left, trash everything god forbid this from happening
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world. - citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:14 Don't be ridiculous, nobody alive today has ever invaded anywhere, it would probably have been better if we had stayed out of the last world wars though as nobody thanked our country for saving Europe. - Daisy, Bognor Regis, 24/12/2012 12:21 The first person is right. Learn your history... How many countries have Britain taken and invaded??
I have colleagues in Sofia, and one of them was over last week. Contrary to the xenophobic nonsense that this article seeks to peddle, they are a modern, decent people whose sole goal in life isn't to rob the English. Some will come over here, yes. But just as other Eastern European countries weren't emptied of poor people beating a path to the White Cliffs, so Bulgaria isn't going to relocate en masse to the UK.
DM readers.....easier to wind up than a clockwork gerbil...!
Why do people keep electing morons into government??
Because of global warming the sea levels are rising or has nobody noticed, these unwelcome visitors and their compatriots will wish that they had stayed at home ,go to the south coast and you will see the coast erroding into the sea.
No we don't want you here and we are not tolerant. We have just been bashed into silent submission by our Governments.
This NEEDS to stop. Why are we still letting people in and supporting them with our tax money. When will something be done about this. I am so sick of walking down my high street and not hearing english. This country is a joke.
Go away, we are full!!
The top comment says it all about the world we live in today. What a selfish and xenophobic people that we have become, and for it to be said on the eve of Christmas
I've no problem with people wanting to make a better life for their families, but learn English, get a job and pay your own way before you get on the ferry! Have some respect for the Country you are about to make your home and you will have respect in return.
We should adopt the French policy of paying benefits commensurate with what you've paid into the system. This includes the long-term unemployed - a basic benefit to those who have never worked. Far too many in our country are in desparate need, you only have to see the increasing number of foodbanks setting up.
Whilst we have the rules we do, if you were in their shoes, what would you do? I would be over here like a shot. Do not blame the people, blame the Government.
A shocking piece of negative propaganda, fuelling ignorance and hate. You should be ashamed of yourselves, DM.
where do these people get the money from to fly to britain. according to the article they cannot pay their fuel /elecricity bills. If they can find jobs it would be a miracle. If they can speak english it would be a miracle. I do not intend to learn Bulgarian
"The Mail's bias against the EU is incredible. There won't be this many immigrants. Don't believe everything you read. - Rationalist, Devon, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 11:20" ======================================================================================== Tony b liar, is that you?
It's make or break time Mr Cameron - for you and the country. Get your veto out!
Enough is enough. We are being run as a country by a bunch of self servers. Those on the inside won't object and those on the outside won't object and ruin their chances of being on the inside, In 1973 the UK entered the European Economic Council, in 1975 the country voted to stay in the EEC thinking it was a trading organisation dispite being told by a certain Gentleman warned the country where it would take us. The politians of the said he was wrong. He was RIGHT and the politians wrong. Cameron promised the country a referendum if he was Prine Minister. You are now the Prime Minister where is the Referendum???? I was born in the early 30's and I have learnt one thing and yhat never trust a politian. Yes there are some trust worthy politians, but they are on the back benches.
Next year it is make or break for the conservatives. Let them in and its UKIP for me 100%
Somebody stop them quick
Please DO NOT blame the EU it is the UK that keeps giving benefits away . In Spain if you are unemployed you get help for 6 mth only and that is only for the Spanish the rest get NOTHING from the government. GET GB TO STOP GIVING BENEFITS TO PEOPLE NOT WORKING COMING TO GB Sheula
Payback for imperialism?
Our country is full already,so we should take in NIL from now on.We should also kick out all the undesireable foreigners we already have.Let this country return to the way it was......all British,born and bred,and the way to start that is to come out of the EU now....vote UKIP>
In the communist era al lthese people had guaranteed jobs and housing, all adult's had a guaranteed job by the communist system... What was wrong with that? and why Britain and america plotted to bring down the communist system?... So no all the posters are against these people coming here, but anyone of us in their condition would want to do exactly the same, so do not be hypocrites and blames these people or the EU. Blame our own country and america for bringing down communism without thinking about the consequences... And yes, it is Britain fault as always, because Britain never learnt that before interfering with other systems you must think and foresee what the consequences will be.
What part of the European Constitution denies our right to select who can and cannot live in this country? I would love know who signed it and have them tried for treason.
There is one simple answer to this problem.OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Freedom of Movement rule....looks like you have one more year left. You're doomed - Floridian, USA, United States, 24/12/2012 1:07 Obama has seen what Blair did here, he is doing the same with the Mexicans, it's called "importing client voters"
The joint population of Romania and Bulgaria is 28.5 million. How is this even possible?
Im English and I hate the UK and England. When I finish University I will be moving abroad where I will sit and watch this country rott.
The darned EU will do to the UK what 2 World Wars could not do! Bring it to it's Knees by destroying it's ecomony, medical system, laws and social fabric! How in Heaven's name could successive UK governments let it come to this! Disgraceful; time for UK citizens to take back their country and kick the uber-corrupt EU, and non-UK spongers, out before it's too late, if it already isn't!
And what is Cameron concerned with?....... Yes your right 'gay marriages' that's where his priorities lay! Getting votes no matter what! He really needs to look and see what he is doing to this country.
The reason that there are not enough jobs around, and certainly not at levels that would ensure a decent standard of living, is that our particular form of capitalism (the neoliberal form that insists on offshoring and privatising absolutely everything) has failed and has been failing for 30 years. It has nothing to do with migration at all.
All Brits should be out en mass protesting and demanding the closure of the UK to all immigrants.If you all sit back and do nothing you deserve all the immigants you get.
Time to leave I think.
This country needs ID cards for everyone to be carried at all times. The population of UK is much higher than the census figures as anyone who has something to hide just stay hidden. ID cards now.
Nicholas Sarkozy gave them money for a flight back to Eastern Europe, he wasn't afraid of all this political correctness and equal rights like our government. Referendum please.
Dear DM - the population of Bulgaria is just under 7.5 million. And Romania is about 19 million. Together, unless every Bulgarian and/or Romanian of the world picks up to move to the UK, would not make up the 29 million cited here. "tempted by tolerance and a host of benefits" - I hope the attitude of DM's commentors isn't what qualifies as "tolerance" in England. -Bulgarian abroad, not tolerant, welcoming England
Too much EU money wasted and misapplied. Too little on helping the poorer nations re-build their societies and providing employment on their home soil.
When our coffers have been drained by all the immigrants, will we be able to go to their countries to get the benefits our own government will no longer be able to afford. Or is this just a one way traffic.
How come all these gipsies all say they are Manchester United fans?... Do they want to come to England or do they want to us to pay for them to watch Man United at Old Traffaord?... In that case Man United better expand Old Trafford to a capacity of a million.
It cost's this country an absolute fortune just to be a part of the EU before we even consider the cost of the immigrants from various parts of Europe and beyond. Please understand, that I am not a racist bigot!! Far from it, but this is ridiculous! We are a small island, and simply cannot sustain this level of uncontrolled immigration, and dishing out of benefits to all and sundry. Does anyone really think that the influx of Romanian and Bulgarian Gypsies is going to enhance our nation. Of course not!! There will be a massive increase in acquisitive crime, such as shop theft and theft from persons. This may sound trivial, but when you ally that with the cost of housing, benefits etc. Crisis is not an overstatement. So why is this going to be allowed to happen? It's time people for serious consideration to be given to leaving the EU. There is no economic or social benefit, in fact the opposite. So come on Mr Cameron, lets have a referendum now!!
What a load of pap.
Anyone with any sense can see the giant holes in this piece of 'journalism' a mile off. Do people actually think that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come and settle in the UK in 2014 and that the government will immediately give them benefits to live on??? It doesn't work like that!!!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion!- Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 ## I have a suggestion: you and your fellow Marxists can keep them. Does your "compassion" stretch to that, or will you turn out to be a NIMBY when they're dumped at your house?
I don't know how many follow history but we are already the equivalent of a Polish Ghetto from WWII, more that come in will make it worse. We free Europe to be shackled 80 years down the line by the very people we helped. Some gratitude the sooner we leave the EU the better, we have enough of the other countries dregs of society. Enough is enough close the borders and to hell with Brussels, what are they going to do invade us?
would you believe it , in one of the photos they have got satllite dishes and i cant afford it so maybe they are better off staying there,[please]
Only an English parliament will work in the English interest - when will the English WAKE UP?
Time to get ot of Europe NOW!! The rules must change that you cannot enter the country unless you have work to come to and enough money to keep you. They should not get benefits as they haven't paid in - we have enough scroungers of our own thanks. I made three working trips to an orphanage in Bucharest in the early nineties and it looks as though things have not changed there and it is as deprived as ever. This country will be a tip.
As much as I dislike Nigel Farage, I think his UKIP party will get my vote next time.
Sorry but however many are supposed to be coming over here we have our own homeless we really can't manage any more, I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative, and I've use a small 'c' on purpose because I wonder now. I was brought up listening to my mother saying she would never vote labour because of soup kitchens and surely our food banks are the equivalent of that. While we have the banks turfing people out of their homes and making them homeless because of lost jobs we CAN NOT have any more immigrants here.
October 2009: Andrew Neather, a former Labour party speechwriter - The Government had encouraged immigration ¿to rub the Right¿s nose in diversity¿. i.e. This was a deliberate act of political spite on the part of Labour. Perhaps we should have a whip round, buy the house next to Blair in Connaught Square and let it to 100 Bulgarians and Romanians! to return the favour. See how he likes it then.
Sorry but however many are supposed to be coming over here we have our own homeless we really can't manage any more, I'm ashamed to call myself a conservative, and I've use a small 'c' on purpose because I wonder now. I was brought up listening to my mother saying she would never vote labour because of soup kitchens and surely our food banks are the equivalent of that. While we have the banks turfing people out of their homes and making them homeless because of lost jobs we CAN NOT have any more immigrants here.
May God have mercy on your souls Labour Politicians and supporters. This is something you cannot blame on the other parties. This is down to you. This I will remember on Election night!
I am hoping to save as much money as possible so that I can leave the UK. I see nothing but pain, upheaval to a breaking point and then many more riots to come. If we had a vote to get out of europe tomorrow the people of this country would vote to be out without question. The last hope is UKIP but even then thats a very long shot. This country is doomed...
Is this story still go, I think DM is doing a statisical significance experience on how stupid their readers are, and trying to guage the standard deviation of those who do not fall for utter banal bile. This is just in prepation for what they will report in the new year LOL
The whole idea of open borders between European countries is freedom of movement so in theory thousands of English people can move to Romania and find work or if they can't claim benefits........oh hang on I can't see that happening .....we are in desperate need of a massive rethink and politicians who have the guts to stand up to the monster that is the socialist EU...
To all those leaving "time to leave the UK" type comments, yes please DO leave. This country needs fewer up-tight types who love to complain (but take little action), and can't see a scaremongering, poorly written article for what it is. Millions of Romanian gypsies will not be moving here.
Even you think so many people come into the country? Be serious! Even you who do not believe you wrote this article. Would mean that the south-eastern Europe to disappear completely! The British have a different kind of humor, really! Happy holidays!
Time for a referendum on EU membership!!
As each day goes by I thank God I decided not to have children...................................Even 60 years ago I could see this coming.
We will get our referendum but only after we are swamped to the gunwales with europeans who will outvote us! That's the reason for the political prevarication!
Now DM are you seriously suggesting the entire population of these countries are planning to come here? Only the gullible will believe this nonsense.
this is my country and im British and PROUD now GET OUT!!!!!
Put your hipocrisy behind and face the reality!The first step is to make the difference between gypsies and romanians!Dont be afraid...there are only 3millions gypsies in Romania and Great Britain is....great:)
The gipsies have no jobs because ordinary Bulgarians do not like or trust us,¿ explains Bobby George. Sorry to break it you Mr George but the average Brit does not like or want you either and do not want you in our country. Is it not time instead of these immigrants running off to the Western Countries just stay in their own land and build it up like we did through hard work creating laws so things was done properly. I spoke to one of my relatives the other day who wrote about the mass immigration that was destroying our area and that crime was becoming out of control and beggers harrasing locals, my cousin wrote to David Cameron after he became Tory leader Cameron's response was that he beleives in 'Globalisation' but has never lived with it in Uxbridge. The tories signed their own death-warrant electing him as leader as its 'cool' to be liberal & rival Blair, but they showed they are out f touch as Britain hated Blair for taking us to war.
Going to hell in hand cart, and supported by almost ALL of our politicians. The time for revolution beckons methinks.....
At least they look cheerful.
I can't understand the law as it stands and applied (or not in this case). My Mother lives in Spain, has no entitlement to anything from their system, had to prove she had enough money to live on, had somewhere to live, has to pay for an Interpreter if needed (her Spanish is good, but hazy on the technicalities of legal/medical forms), has to have Health Insurance and the list goes on. Saying that she is no longer entitled to anything when visiting the UK except A+E after paying into our system for over 40 years and taking nothing out of it except Child benefit 30 years ago. Doesn't Spain have the same free movement rules as us, that give away everything to those that have never paid into their system ? OR are our politicians just too limp-wristed to enforce rigidly the rules already in place that stop this madness? But then again getting rid of lots of Border Agency staff doesn't help when this possible invasion is coming does it. We are being fitted up under the guise of HR law.
Merry Christmas and goodwill to all men, terms and conditions apply.
i wonder if mr cameron read peoples coments are are taking notice
Welcome to parasites paradise.
++++++++++++++UKIP WANT MORE IMMIGRANTS FOR CHEAP LABOUR. THEY HAVE THEIR LOBBYISTS TO PLEASE.+++++++++++++++++++
Other EU countries can't afford benefits for their own people. In Spain their own people stop getting unemployment benefit after six months, and then nothing. Spain's economy looks explosive, worse than Greece and higher population, and they can't devalue their currency because they are part of the Euro, so maybe the EU will self-destruct before a year.
Only about half of them will head for the U.K. for benefits and easy pickings! That's about 15 million then! Of course, income tax will have to rise to 80p in the pound for folk here who work for a living. Can't turn them away, human rights!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 ++++++++++++++ Your "compassion" for them means misery and hardship for millions of others. You need to take a flying leap..............
That's the problem with our country, we're not protesting this... The majority of us are sat at home behind our computers/tv's saying ''Oh I don't like this'', and that solves NOTHING, Why don't we take action! No wonder our country is going to the dogs. Romanian invasion of Britain is imminent.
What the hell; great british people fought 2 world wars to prevent the UK being controlled by Europe (Germany) and now we hand everything this country stands for to the EU. I have voted and will continue to vote UKIP - wake up people. I hardly recognise this country any more........
God help us!
If dogs were shown living in horrendous conditions there would be an outpouring of sympathy and offers of help, but fellow members of mankind living in poor conditions are largely met with hostility? We are the most disgusting species on the planet.
Nothing is happening that isn't an EU plan approved by our own government. Britain is a prime EU target for dismantling and rebuilding as an EU subject - we are far too free spirited and independant minded for their liking. Why the same isn't the case for Germany and France one can only suspect!
They should should turn the House of Commons and Buckingham Palace into apartments to house them.
Lorenzo, I know nothing about Bulgaria, so why are we seeing all these pictures of Gypsies living in slums and crying that everybody hates them?
Well its no shock , we should be used to it by now. Lets just work hard to pay taxes so the benefits can be given away to none contributors .
Carry on like this and this ONCE great country of OURS will be having a revolution. This is NOT scaremongering it is a fact. I will never vote for the socialist or tory party ever again, because they seem to have a plan to destabilize this country. Of course the ruling classes will not be affected, they can soon decamp with their wealth to some sensible place in the world.
tell then to stay home why should we starve and go without so they can take what they haven't paid in for
Can't really blame them for trying to escape that place, but I fear my taxes will be paying for their new lifestyle here.
So the British taxpayers who have paid all there lives into the system will have to suffer more CUTS so these people can come into the country and claim benefits straight away without paying a penny into the system,when is any government going to look after its own citizens.ITS TIME TO MAKE A STAND VOTE UKIP.
UKIP ARE NOT RACISTS, THEY ARE REALISTS. It is irresponsible madness to open our borders to millions from poor EU countries, benefits included, and the burden of paying for it all fall on the UK tax payers. Meanwhile pro EU Cameron and Co will carry on regardless. As long as Cameron's family keep receiving millions each year in EU land subsides, courtesy of the UK tax payers, and the other land owning politicos are receiving vast sums (like Heseltine who gets £900,000), plus those top unelected EU 'jobs for the boys' awaiting them, they really don't give a damn what happens to the rest of us. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP WHO DO, AND HELP PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits.' At least this prospect will make Vince Cable's wife happy: as she says, Britain needs people like this because of their skills and, of course, many will be students. Plus, as Labour's Alan Johnston has said in the past that he's not going to lose any sleep over unlimited immigration; and, in any case, 'we're British and we can cope'. Erm, this new influx will require housing: maybe Mrs Cable, or Alan Johnston could help out either with ideas or a spare room or two?
- Lorenzo Micheletti, sofia, Bulgaria, 24/12/2012 13:11 So you will not mind this lot coming then . There again you haven't got the same benefits , have you .
Get out of the EEC right now !
So the British taxpayers who have paid all there lives into the system will have to suffer more CUTS so these people can come into the country and claim benefits straight away without paying a penny into the system,when is any government going to look after its own citizens.ITS TIME TO MAKE A STAND VOTE UKIP.
half of the countries in the eu never liked the brits but hey go there now and theyl look after you,we dont need to import any more pickpockets,atm card skimmers or lead theft gangs,we dont deport like france or belgium one of blairs and straws parting shots was oh by the way we opened the flood gates for immigrants,traitors the lot of them. for cheap labour lowering the wages sick and tired not an ex pat yet.
Stupidity of these politicians is approaching gargantuan levels
Vote for UKIP as it really is the only sane alternative for this country left. Labour DO want more of the same, the Lib Dems want the same (they are left-wing and likely to merge with Labour) and the Tories are divided and hence have no idea which way to turn.
THE PICTURES SHOWS WHAT THIS ONCE GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND WILL LOOK LIKE IN A FEW YEARS...............
"I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!!- words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20"................I'm inclined to agree wholeheartedly with the views expressed in the massage. However the pedantic side to my nature compels me to point out that the "Great" in Great Britain refers just to the geographical area of the mainland, comprising England, Scotland, and Wales, and not to our status on the world stage.
The Bnp will take us out of Europe.
This actually makes me quite upset that our country is becoming like this, do the government not realise what they are doing?
This lunacy just cannot go on, Just WHEN will this bunch of dimbo's in Parliament realise we're on a suicide course that's ruining this once green and pleasant land. They must realise that when they're pouring their expensive wines in the Commons bar that when the glass is totally full to the brim the rest just overflows, a 3 three year old can understand that for Gods sake!!!, UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP, Let's get them in ASAP
If France and Germany don't take them it's their loss. Bring your horses, dogs and other pets you may have with you, you're ALL WELCOME in the UK. These hardworking people are the ones who'll pay for my giro.
Is there anyway we the Brits can get across to these people that we don't want them here??
Modern Britain has echoes of the novel The Camp Of The Saints, by Jean Raspail. The indigenous people of Britain desperately need to get together, regardless of general political affiliation, and demand that something is done about the way this country is going. No waffle of ifs, or buts, or quotas, or caps, by old wheeze-driven parties. We need to demand it, enforce it, to make sure we retain some kind of future for our people in our own homeland. Only together, as a people, can we put a stop to this madness. Snap out of your petty party affiliations and think of your people and your nation. Let's get something going and turn this country around again, back to how it should be. Both Labour and the coalition Tory/Dem parties have admitted that over 40% of new housing is purely down to the immigration we already suffered in the last decade or so. They know about this Romanian and Bulgarian thing, yet will do nothing about it. We have to rise up and make something happen ourselves.
I was born and raised in Hungary. In all of these Eastern European countries, entering the EU has meant that they lost all their economy to British, French and German interests. Supermarket chains the most obvious example. Government subsidies and tax breaks. Guys, if you want to rape and pillage the Eastern markets, you gotta give something in return.
Another 29,000,000 reasons why the UK should quit the EU - IMMEDIATELY!
It's all been said before. The vast majority of British people do not want any further influx of immigrants into the country. They can plainly see that the country cannot support them, they can plainly see that they do not add any value to the country or the economy and they can plainly see that the only reason immigrants want to come here is because farcical systems we have in place will provide for these people at the expense of the down trodden tax payer. Enough is enough, it is an insult to the intelligence and integrity of Britons and the immediate course of action is to close the borders. If current legislation doesn;t allow it, then change the rulings now. British Government should only answer to it's subjects and not waste time and energy appeasing some meaningless European nonesense that we have been sleep walked into.
that's the trouble they come here with no intention to work because they get so much in benefits,it's a disgrace I work hard and long to get wage at the end of the month,,and these free loaders come to this once great nation an get given a house and giro every week,you see them out everywhere drinking in the city centers at night's to all hours,,how can they afford to do this if there only on benefits
Yes but this time and for the first time put them in middle England the overstretched cities have had more than their share, if that were ever to happen I'm sure a surge in nationalism would ensue.
These articles are very unfair to the number of genuine hard working Eastern Europeans who study hard in their own country and get deployed by the companies they work for to fill posts in Britain. My husband left Romania for a job in Plymouth and was then transferred to Aberdeen. Before he arrived from Romania, he had completed a masters degree and other qualifications that he had paid for himself! People from this country are quite happy to go and holiday in countries like Bulgaria and Romania for cheap holidays for the hot climate and cheap beer or for the snowboarding and ski-ing in winter. These countries are part of the E.U but do not get anywhere near the same privileges as the rest of the E.U members, I'm not saying people should get an automatic entrance to our country if they are unable to provide for themselves but slating nationalities that you think you know something about and actually don't is very short sighted and foolish.
these pictures show tghese people to be in great need of help. Let them all come over here so we can help them to have a better life.
Just about every Briton says something like, 'This must stop NOW.' Yet they continue to vote for traitors who keep letting this happen. It's time to change your vote people.
I recently received my income tax assessment form back as I hadn't completed it correctly, so I was informed. Evidently In question 4 when I was asked; Do I have any one dependent on me? I replied: 2.1 million illegal immigrants 1.1 million drug addicts. 4 million workshy who claim to have a better life on benefits than working, 900.000 criminals plus 650 idiots in parliament and the whole of the EU commission. They said this was not an acceptable answer, so please will somebody tell me who the hell did I miss out?
More votes for UKIP!
Unbelievable. My husband is a British self employed plumber, has worked for 40 years and paid tax and NI but there is no work around at the moment and for the first time in his life he has no money yet he has been told that he is not entiteld to benefits of any kind because he was not employed. So why can these people claim to be self employed and still recieve benefits? Thank goodness I still have a job otherwise we would be destitute but its so unfair that people come to the UK and can claim everything. This is going to be the ruin of the UK and just because it is Christmas doesn't make it acceptable, its unacceptable any time of the year. Why on earth don't the united nations do more so that people can lead meaningful livesin their own country so they don't have to leave
A person walks into a bank and asks for £60. The cashier checks and finds the person does not an account. In fact they have never had an account. "No problem", said the cashier. " I will give you £60 out of our more loyal and frequent savers accounts.They won't mind".
How could successive UK governments let it come to this?
When are we going to get a Government that will say NO to all this. It is no wonder this country is a shambles wake up people as has been said we either need to vote UKIP or stage a rebellion, our country has been used for to long now as a dumping ground for all of Europe. Would rather leave the E.U and have economic sanctions placed on us then have all this dross wash up on our shores. I know you shouldn't paint them all with the same brush but unfortunately this government can't decide who should be let in and who shouldn't , and who is it who ends up paying for this US higher taxes, retirement age going up even further housing problems, more lazy good for nothing bums on the dole when will it all stop.
wherever they are, problems are the same. theft, prostitution, illegal wild camping ... insecurity has rocketed. England and France or Germany can not accommodate all the misery in the world, but what can we do? Will the union european keep on sending money to deter them coming ? What's the point of doing it They will come !! we waste our time. There is no turning back for immigration
Once again the economic illiteracy of the average ukipper tendency shines through. Romania, because of its location, has the potential to become a natural crossroads for commerce between the EU and countries to the East and South. The Roma population only accounts for 3% of the 21,000,000 currently living in Romania. The airport infrastructure is developing and there is great potential for investment in other infrastructure. The former communist countries that have joined the success story that is the EU, and those still wishing to qualify to join, provide potential for stimulating ecomomic growth across the EU. And what do ukippers yearn? To flog undefined 'things' to the few Aussies living on the other side of the world in the hope that will bring about a major sea change in our fortunes in the UK - naive beyond belief.
No no no no no!!!! They have to find employment and have sorted permanent accommodation first to even be allowed entry... Surely??!!!
think we have enough of these in our country already god help us over the next few years!!! there are estates now for polish or whatever it's a disgrace
And this is one of the very strong reasons I will be voting UKip. Paid Tax & Full National Insurance for 40 Years, and still have a reduced O.A.Pension paid. Looking at those pictures - looks as if they have the same cleanliness & hygeine standards as those other scroungers the Irish Travellers.We really have become the dump of Europe. If "Call me Dave" can't or won't stop them - please erect sign posts to Tony B.Liars properties - along with Nick Clegg & other Europhiles - let them camp on their properties.
take a look at these poor peoples surroundings because if you labour voters don't wake up and stop voting for the immigration party that is how Britain is going to look.!! - bobs your uncle , norwich, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 13:09=== god don't be so dramatic mate, Britain will only look like that if we keep being a ruthless capitalist system who only cares for big companies, the rich elite and if we keep bailing out billionaire bankers....then it wont matter if you are an immigrant or British, we will all share the same ghetto in poverty, while the rich will just keep getting richer......
After paying my taxes as a self employed businessman for the past 25 years, I lost my company through the recession. I was told I was entitled to no benefits atall! The previous years I had paid £12k and £13k in tax.Soon we will be invaded by these people and they will have the full support of the welfare state. Well, they can have my space as I will be off to live in France and pay my taxes there!
the only thing that will cure this is another war
The Governments of these countries are going to have it pretty easy if all their fellow country men and women descend on the UK. The EU should come down hard on any country who does not provide employment and proper living conditions for it's people. EU member countries should NOT be allowed to expect countries like the UK, Germany and France to prop them up. Just like the rest of the world EU members should only be allowed to come across if the jobs they do are in shortage here.
if they are reading this - be warned you won't be welcome, the weather is awful, there are no jobs, it is expensive and few people can afford housing. stay where you are, or you will regret it i am english and have always liived so i know what i am talking about. stay where you are
Our Prime Ministers - no matter what political alliance are supposed to RUN our country, not RUIN it.
It is the UK fault giving out benefits to everyone it is NOT the EU I live in Spain and they do NOT get benefits here if a Spanish person is unemployed he only gets 6 mths help to help him find a job Sheila
MUGS, that's what we are; MUGS! A nation of MUGS governed by elected MUGS! And if we continue to allow ourselves to be overrun by benefit scroungers and economic migrants, we will become disenfranchised MUGS, the majority now the miniority. It won't bother me; after working all my life, paying taxes, never claiming benefit in over 50 years, I probably will not be alive to see it. But my family will; my children and my grandchildren will! Thank you Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Thank you Cameron for not having the guts to take the measures nessary to control our borders. Thank you very much.
Don't worry they will settle in easily in Gipton,Seacroft,Miggy and Burmantofts all sink estates here in Leeds.If they keep their mouths shut no one will notice. I can post this cos thosae estates don't buy newspapers,well they do their fish and chips are wrapped up in them.
Is not Turkey in Line for membership.
Nnoooooooooo please no - our gov is useless
Shut the borders NOW. If this lot get in, we are b*ggered.
Would just like to point out that the Bulgarian population is barely 7 million and the Romanians are about 10 million... surely the two countries haven't pick up their stuff and completely moved in England! Someone would've noticed that a lot sooner. Students, however, from Bulgaria and Romania are barely 10, 000 in this country and only 1/3 of them have a work permit. Another thing that I feel strongly about is showing pictures of the gypsy neighbourhoods in Bulgaria - this does not represent life in Bulgaria! I have travelled there and the cities resemble Sheffield and Newcastle, but in their own unique culture, of course.
I am a Nigerian born British doctor in this country, never been on benefits. I sponsored my brother through a university education costing over £60,000 - all paid upfront by myself, yet he's been refused a post study work visa. He's never been in trouble and nor have I. All he wants to do is to work - legally - in this country. It's obvious that the government want to score points with tighter immigration rules, but they are targetting the wrong people. I hate to sound vindictive, but I really hope these Bulgarians come in and cause problems for the government. I really detest this government now.- Only me, UK, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 7:53>>>> Your vindictive nature further deepens the leeriness of your host country's citizens. If you were truly loyal to the UK, you would seek democratic means by which to approach this issue; you would not wish chaos and further tax burdens on the citizens who have been so kind as to welcome you and your brother.
Freedom of movement rules -The great conflict-of-interest rule
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 1:14 Shame, you actually think you've moved somewhere better - the USA! Yeah right, you sucker you've fallen for the bright lights and big cicy fallacy. Have you read the story about homeless prostitutes in the US? Did you see the Sandy Hook shootings? Do you agree with capital punishment despite the fact that the US justice system is corrupt and you can be framed by the police? Hope you never need any help 'cos you won't get it over there. I'd rather go anywhere, than the US!
Who the hell wants your foggy state? Germany and Austria will always be centuries to come! Be calm and Merry Christmas!
dont forget turkey, their time will come and i dont mean the bird
have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 Thats fine Mr Marxist , but we do not have a mount with bread and fish for all .
I hope they bring their horses too, at least our country may become more environmentally friendly and safer.
great cant wait.....not
This country is being invaded without fighting a war against it. We have a supine, apathetic, unpatriotic government. There will eventually be a civil war in order to repel and expel the invaders in order to try to reclaim what was once Great Britain. UKIP seems to be our last hope.
Cameron´s´hands are tied, the British Government needs to prevail EU law, so as long as Great Britain is part of the EU, foreigners will come pouring in, and there is not much the PM can do about it...
I am Romanian and Roma people (gypsies) does not represent my country. We and Bulgarians stood invaders so that you get rich in history. And this is how you treat us? Like we are all beggars and criminals? We are normal people. And gypsies....this is another story.
he only reason I am still in the UK is that I have tried and failed to sell my house. My ideal is a little sunny island in the Med where they don't hand out benefits like confetti and therefore do not have this problem of mass migration - only those who can support themselves. It will be back on the market come March and once sold I'm off never to return. Said it before & will say it again , this country is finished. If you have kids get them to learn Chinese or Spanish, buy them a one way ticket out of here. We will never get a pro-British government in the UK which is stricken with the cancer of PC. - TDLeeds , Leeds===== once you move to that little island don't forget you will be an immigrant yourself, lets just hope you speak their lingo fluently and integrate within the culture and naturally help their economy, otherwise you will just be like the people you criticise that comes over here......
This had made me physically sick VOTE UKIP
Voting is no use. It will all have happened anyway by the time the election comes round. Put up and shut up or start campaigning now to put a stop to this nonsense. Or emigrate.
Well I wish them luck & hope that they find what they're looking for in my country because I'm still looking & I'm nearly 50!
Yet another good reason not to come back to Britain, but still paying my UK tax of course which I have done for the past 54 years. I therefore will not be asking for benefits,dole money, job seekers allowance, sheltered accommodation, NH services,or a free bus pass etc etc. So this will, in some small way, help a gipsy to settle in to a new and easy lifestyle. Who voted for these countries to join in the first place ? When we have zero unemployment then open the gates...until then keep them firmly shut. Blair and his cohorts have a lot to answer for. How many other EU countries will be preparing for a gipsy influx I wonder ? None I suspect.
THIS BUS IS FULL EVEN WITH STANDING ROOM .?
People saying that they "hate this country" - you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves. You are so lucky. The majority of people in this world have absolutely nothing and they are oppressed, ignored and even killed by their governments. And in other parts of the world, the state merely leaves their people to starve to death, riddled by disease. And in other parts, women are forced to marry their rapists. And all you worry about is a bunch of Bulgarians coming over?
Give us our right to a referendum. Personally only ukip will give us that
Surely benefits could be only allowed to people who have lived here for x number of years? other countries are not this generous to immigrants so why should we be?!
Hahahaha...wait a minute, let me breathe. Oh dear, seriously? Talk about scare-mongering. Nowhere near 29 million Romanians/Bulgarians will arrive in the next year. Now you're just totally trolling the brain dead DM reading, UKIP voters.
This is the deliberate destruction of a Sovereign Nation.
Brit - absolutely shocking! Government should be ASHAMED!!!! - KittySoftPaws , Newcastle, 24/12 you can trust our government to do everything in its power to make sure your human rights are well looked after. - Slowho , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 24/12 So many ordinary people who see the "self employed" selling a magazine on the streets, then claim benefits to maintain their low incomes. Remember how the bean coun terstold us how Poland would not affect our population. Look what happened. We know that only a small % of the poor in Romania & Bulgaria will travel to UK & take up residence, unable to speak our language & with no assets they consider they will be entitled to the same benefits as those of their people who are already here, most illegally (until 2914) The article, poorly written is a warning though. Time to ask your MP to get Dave to do something. so what you going to do about this dave - forgettingoutoftheEU, Hull, United Kingdom, 24/12/201
We need these Eastern Europeans like a drowning man needs a bullet in the head. We are struggling now, almost like no other time in our history, fifteen years of a stupid and gormless Labour government, allow2ing in immigrants by the million - most not intent on working but getting on the benefit bandwagon. We have had our coffers emptied by profligate wasters, If our politicians don't put a gig fat stop to this madness there will be riots undreamed of once the squeeze hurts EVERYONE, not just the poor. There will be wholesale bankruptcies, and great shortages of food and bare essentials. Make no mistake, the word got about years ago about the money that flows around the UK, the East Europeans in particular want to come here urgently, not with skills but with eager hands.
I can't believe the children wear slippers to play football in... grow up Bulgaria.
.......But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ ......May I suggest that the day has already come - if we have any more, we'll sink into the sea! WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE EU - IT IS KILLING US!
To everyone in the UK & Rep of Ireland. You are finished if you let these people in. It proves these Eurocrates & government ministers are "not the full shilling" to have allowed this matter to get this far.
Appalling article, full of inaccuracies, as many comments pointed out already. Romas have lived here alongside ethnic bulgarians and ethnic turks for centuries. and now, all of a sudden, they are set to invade the UK? Put your thought together Mail: this piece looks like it was commissioned by someone made terribly nervous by the growing number of enraged UK taxpayers moving to BG and elsewhere to escape what has become an over-crowded, over-taxing and freaking expensive place to live. Just face it: Bulgaria is a beautiful, peaceful, cost-effective and tax-efficient destination for businesses to expand and families to relocate.
We should no be allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry into this country. For a start benefits are being cut in real terms, there is no enough jobs around and our infrastructure can not cope without major upgrades at a time when money is not around that not possible. People who come here should not expect free housing, benefits without at least first providing means of supporting themselves many other countries do this
It all seems simple enough, if the pathetically weak and moribund Government can allow any of these scum to settle in the UK they should impose an agreement which allows the UK to send its human low life to Bulgaria. Lets be honest abject human dross are the same the whole world over.
The government is to blame whichever one is in power they are too yellow livered to stand up to the EU, we need a government with a set of balls, or get out the EU and stop these scroungers from other countries from coming here to live on benefits because there are no jobs for them and they don't respect our laws when they come here
I hate to tell them but that day when we're full and can't afford to pay anymore benefits has long past! Cameron is just too spineless to close the borders!
Another Daily Mail rant about immigrants.It puts you on par with the Telegraph scaremongering about the weather.
I recently received my income tax assessment form back as I hadn't completed it correctly, so I was informed. Evidently In question 4 when I was asked; Do I have any one dependent on me? I replied: 2.1 million illegal immigrants 90.000 Chavs who watch Jeremy Kyle. 1.1 million drug addicts. 4 million workshy who claim to have a better life on benefits than working, 900.000 criminals plus 650 idiots in parliament and the whole of the EU commission. They said this was not an acceptable answer, so please will somebody tell me who the hell did I miss out?
This article is ridiculous... Before you start to talking, do some research.. Bulgaria is 6 million nationwide and Romania is 19 million... That makes a total of 25 million people, NOT 29... And do you really believe that your country is so attractive that everyone will immediately forget their lives and just leave? Come on, you shouldn't be that brainwashed. YES, there are poor areas in Bulgaria and YES lots of the stuff written about gypsies is true, but these are just a few neighbourhoods in Sofia and all of you know that every city has ghettos! - lord_aggo , Sofia, Bulgaria And how many of Britain's indigenous poor decamp to Bulgaria and Romania to get free housing and benefits? Surely we all have reciprocal rights in our wonderful, equality driven and open EU?
take a look at these poor peoples surroundings because if you labour voters don't wake up and stop voting for the immigration party that is how Britain is going to look.!!
If this so-called EU machine is working so well and fairly, why aren't these countries getting the funds to fix their own problems instead of importing them here? All this will do is leave a collection of destroyed countries in its wake? Once prosperous, the UK will either have to close its doors and refuse all entry or succumb to the rot which is the EU meddling. We are doomed.....
Looks better than that dump called Luton or other UK backstreets! Pity the DM only showed the horrible and poor parts of the country because there is another side to the medal too. England has always boasted about being the "cradle of democracy" You've made your bed so lie in it!
tailam , brighton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 12:22...you took the words right out of my mouth.
Maybe the benefit system should change , benefits should not be readily available if we choose to emigrate we have to have sufficient money to support ourselves otherwise you are not allowed in the country. I do think Cameron should stop giving golden handshakes or should it be called "The Bribery Handshake" Mr Cameron naughty naughty!!!!
How much longer will our spineless poiticians pander to the dictates of the EU? The UK size, infrastructure and economy.....job market, housing, NHS service, benefits system, judicial system etc etc can no longer cope with the ever increasing immigration from every corner of Europe (and beyond). It doesn't happen anywhere else on such a scale, so why here? It isn't the weather, that's for sure! No, it is quite simply the case that the UK has long been recognized as a soft-touch and enough is enough The time has come for our parliament to stand up for us and if this means detaching ourselves from the EU, then so much the better!
So we want to cut benefits so what do we do we cut disabled benefits I am blind and they have told me I will have to go to the job centre or we can stop the mass influx of people who can't speak english and have no chance of a job , so what do you think we should do ?
29 Million and the Government are ignoring it, how can that be. If they are so intent on coming here then surely there is an argument for paying them to stay away.
"I must have told the DM over a million times to stop exaggerating! - Tom Sharp, Manchester" - Were they exaggerating about the millions already here, no. You Guardian readers have a lot to answer for!
Why my Dad and thousands like him fought for this country is now a mockery. What was the point of it all when the country is just a means to finance this sort of thing and our hospitality abused.
They only wan't to come into our country because of benefits not because they like it otherwise they would go to better country's get the sun all year rounf
if this eu bull crap continues. I can see a rise of a new British Hitler. and you no what from this goverment I would vote for him. I would back him and fight too get Britain back for the British people. too Any eu mp reading this Britain is not the unemployed area for the eu, we can and will take action to stop this. this puppet goverment will not last.
If immigrants are so keen to come to the UK because of the benefits then maybe they should be stopped for those not indigenous? The EU can't complain because presumably other EU countries are not so generous. If they were then immigrants would be heading for those countries as well rather than specifically targeting the UK. It won't happen, though.
SS Great Britain is sinking, time to charge the Lib-Lab-Con with treason
"But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens" IT ALREADY IS! STOP LEECHING OFF THE BRITISH (and I mean BRITISH not 'British') PEOPLE!
xenophobic propaganda. Merry Christmas!
just reading a few of these comments shows me that we can't get past the blame game. labour blame cons, cons blame libs, libs blame lab.The truth is quite plain, They are all too blame, they have all had a chance too change this mess, and all they have done is make it worse.But worse than that they have done it without the consent of the electorate. something that the two main parties have said they would not do. Unless the electorate get their act together, and dump the lot, and start from scratch, we most certianly will be, "ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" AND I DON'T MEAN THE E.U.unless you have enough money to buy your way to a free country.
INSANITY, PLEASE JOIN UKIP
We have to stop this NOW, and the only party with the sense to do it is UKIP.
He says "But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens" Well Boris, we are already full up! We are having to build more and more houses on our green and pleasant land to accomodate not us Brits, but the predicted number of immigrants, Just how will they benefit this wonderful country? They are going to give us nothing and take anything that we give them. I never thought I would say this but I'm voting UKIP from now on. We follow Europe's rules so why doesn't the rest of Europe? Why do these people only want to come to Britain? Because of our Benefit system, which bends over backwards to help them, but if I was to lose my job I would have to jump through so many hoops to get anything. This has got to stop!!!
most of the whining people in this country are the ones claiming benefit themselves. Is it that wrong for anyone wanting a better life for themselves and their children?
I wish DM would do some research before writing ridiculous comments as they will be able to come over and get handouts etc! I work in the housing/support work sector and I know that individuals from A8 countries such as Romania are UNABLE to get ANY benefits, housing, health care etc UNLESS they are working! IF they do not work, they are not entitled and can only get help if they are. If they stop, it is all stopped. So please research appropriately before spouting such rubbish!
and why they will allegedly flock to Britain, passing through the rest of Europe on their way.......it's because they will get everything paid for and more...........the rest of Europe is not so stupid and has better controls in place!!!
This is lunacy. Britain is a tiny Island. We are not the size of Australia, the USA or Canada. Where are they going to be living when we do not have enough homes for Brits and we have high unemployment?
They should stay in their own country Britain is bad enough now ! I cannot call this great Britain any more ! The thing that annoys is they come over here and get a better houses than me ! And they are probably are not working The country is already over populated we do not need more people coming to the UK I do not these people as long as they are nice and working then I do not mind but the thing is the country is just going to get crowed if these people are allowed in
I do feel sorry for the poor Romanian people, but why do we seem to be the only county that takes them in and gives them handouts? I work full time and have to pay my mortgage and everything else myself. I want to move house, but unsure if I'll be able to afford to. Even if the immigrants are coming here to work, understandable, there are still millions of British people struggling to find a job. If nothing is done about this, our once great country could end up like Romania is now, with the British people flocking to other European countries for a better way of life. I for one am only voting UKIP in future.
You cannot argue with Democracy. The vast majority support the the main parties & their immigration policies, which are all the same. I did not vote for any of the three main parties in the last four elections because I do not agree with such mass immigration.
I do hate the xenophobia of the DM.
NO THEY DON'T. To live in the UK they have to prove they can support themselves and have private health insurance. British get refused residence in Cyprus who can't prove both. That is EU Law, but you don't use it.
The EU is ran by complete evil idiots, they wanna increase membership to these poor countries - so that they can move manufacturing jobs there, instead of helping China and India to boost their economies and job markets... which is fair enough; because they are global rivals. But why would someone in Romania wanna work below the minimum wage in the UK or Germany? when they could work for a minimum wage and also claim benefits. Anyway what's gonna happen is.. all these countries in the EU are gonna find excuses to drop the Human Rights laws and then they're gonna go for the minimum wage because the job markets are expensive and over-competitive.
After Income tax, council tax, VAT ect, David Cameron must spend at least £0.75p of every £1.00 I earn on scroungers, how much will my tax burden increase when this tide of filth arrives on our shores!
Another Daily Mail rant about immigration .It puts you on par with the Telegraphs scaremongering about the weather.
It says a lot when their own country mistrusts them, when bus and rubbish collectors are too afraid to enter a town. What a disaster this is going to be. How many more hard working people are going to come home from work and find that their home has been illegally inhabited by squatters? Yes, we all would like to help the people that are suffering in this world, but really there is only so much space on an island, and so little money to spread around already. These people are coming to find the pot at the end of the rainbow, but they will find the pot is almost empty, and the rain is never ending.
GOOD OLD GB THE DUMPING GROUND OF THE WORLD.
Perhaps it is only an onslaught that will finally make our politicians see sense.
Time to properly to secure our borders, as we are an island just heavily man our ports up,let no one travel here with out prior vetting in their own countrys and no skill's, cash and a job to come to you do not get here, These people are the undesireable's of europe that no first world country wants or needs
The answer is if they turn up then refuse them any services at all. If the eu objects then tell them that we r only doing what people in Germany do. That is the reason people head straight for GB. Ca WTO had a big mouth before he was PM but what is he doing now . NOTHING.
If this annoys you, then send an email to the EU, Go on their website and use your human right form. Take a look at your rights. The EU is supposed to be there to help you, why are they hindering your country, your livilhood and your right to live in a free world. this is the only we can stop them, use their own words against them. The more we do this the more they will listen!!!!! THAT OR SIT AND TAKE IT!!!!!!!
All, and I mean ALL types of benefits to non-UK citizens should be stopped immediately, this is the only way to control this madness ... And, of course, we need to get out of EU right now!
Of course you feel sorry for honest hard working people who want a better life but the U.K government needs first of all to address the shameful matter of the thousands of elderly people in Britain who live on a meagre pension and are dying from hypothermia each winter because they cant afford to turn their heating on and what about the problems with an already overstretched NHS, Benefit cheats, the overcrowded cities, need I go on.......
NO - they should not be allowed to have any benefits or housing and all should be for those that are born here and paid UK taxes. Only until been here 10 years and made a valuable contribution should be considered for it. They will get everything I guess - thanks MPS! We'll have more waiting time for NHS etc also lots of illnesses that were almost eradicated here TB etc will be back it is growing already. If France and others can deny them access why on earth can't we?? We are a tiny island we will sink soon - stay where you are and make things better there it is NOT a Golden Paradise for everyone!
Felt compelled to create an account just to comment on this, I feel physically sick at the prospect of britain in 5 and 10 years time. I dont understand what is so wrong and seemingly difficult to keep them out and use OUR resources and taxes to support BRITISH people.
If the Tories can get us out of Europe like they've "half promised to do" then make it so before the next election and before this lot come steaming in. Otherwise vote UKIP at all opportunities to get the ball rolling. The Croatians are also joining in soon so that'll e evn more on the way.
Anybody born between 1930 and 1946 or a bit later early 50's be thankful your on the way out and not on the Way In !!
just STOP them at the point of entry and send them back
Bulgarians need love too you know! Give them a chance before you hound them out!!
what !!! where are they gonna live, or should I say where are the British going to live????
I must have told the DM over a million times to stop exaggerating!
Yet more ethnic and cultural diluting of the British people by our so called "government" and their mates in the EU. Their is only one way to put a stop to all of this, vote UKIP.
THis is so funny. Half of you on here saying UKIP, UKIP UKIP, yet when it actually comes to vote you don't vote UKIP. Why didn't you vote 2 years ago? I actually pay £20 per month to UKIP even though I am not well off. I actually vote UKIP, I don't say it on a blog then go and not vote or vote Tory. I actually canvass my neighbours I read their policies on their web site. Most of you just spout UKIP UKIP UKIP. If you really, I mean really intend to do something about 29m coming here, then have the decency to actually do something.
Well I got my family out of that cesspit 6 years ago so it doesn't affect me any more. I just feel so sad for what was once a great country and for the people that have no choice but to stick it out. - Emma, Iceland, Iceland, 24/12/2012 12:22 ~~~~~ Crikey I've been to Iceland and apologies, but it's not my first choice to call home !
Save us Nigel
I am a Nigerian born British doctor in this country, never been on benefits. I sponsored my brother through a university education costing over £60,000 - all paid upfront by myself, yet he's been refused a post study work visa. He's never been in trouble and nor have I. All he wants to do is to work - legally - in this country. It's obvious that the government want to score points with tighter immigration rules, but they are targetting the wrong people. I hate to sound vindictive, but I really hope these Bulgarians come in and cause problems for the government. I really detest this government now.
Oh my God that has just ruined my Xmas never mind just let them all in and let Dave have a few in number 10 I expect they have a few spare beds , to be honest what is going to really Happen?
And to think that there was a time when someone I know , who had a fantastic job,a large bank account, an education and was willing to pay taxes , was turned away from living in the UK .. Now anything is welcome.
At what point will our government say enough! We are overcrowded NOW, there is a shortage of jobs and housing, the benefit system and NHS is being stretched to the limit making the sick and needy suffer, no local school places yet they are still allowing masses in this small Counrty and giving billions of aid to other Countries. This has to stop.
Stories of the poor conditions in these countries make me sick. Britain did something about poor conditions in the Victorian age. They built a proper infrastructure. It seems that this exists in Bulgaria - but the Gypsies cause problems due to their behaviours. We see in in Derby. Such people do not use the refuse disposal services that are provided - they just dump rubbish everywhere. They do not engage with our society - they merely scrounge and wreck. Politicians who say that immigration enriches our society should not be voted for.
We're like a wounded carcase being devoured by the vultures off Europe. And why not. Big Business and the political ellite have being doing it for years!!
GOD HELP US ALL!!:
UKIP, UKIP, UKIP, UKIP, UKIP,...It is our only salvation!
It might be simpler if WE all move to Romania. Happy bloody Xmas especially to those politicians of all 'mainstream' parties that love the idea of unchecked immigration. I'm sure they'll all invite immigrants in to their homes for Xmas won't they? Oh dear... a pig just flew in to my chimney breast!
There is nothing racist about being genuinely concerned that the already overstretched resourses - such as health and education - are to be further diluted for those of us who have spent years working hard and paying for the services that all too often appear to be more geared up to accommodate the needs of anybody but the hard working people of Britain. For God's sake, please somebody in power wake up and defend this nation from these further damaging invasions.
"Bobby George is proof that many immigrants want to strive hard and provide for their families." Many many do not and have no intention of doing so!
Will the Romanian and Bulgarian gypsies take the resources we provide from our own gipsies and traveller populations? Will they take their staying places? We only have limited places for our own gipsy people to have a place to stay. The Councils will be tearing their hair out if they have to find thousands of UK pitches for this additional travelling population.
shut up moaning-you voted for it.
If you are in a low skill factory type work be worried very worried your wages will come down, there is places in East Midlands that hire mostly Eastern Europeans for low wages and horrible working environment, I agree a job is a job but we will see wages go down. Welfare laws must be tighten there must be a minimum working period before you are able to collect any social welfare, I believe Canada does this. Lastly housing, supply and demand since there is currently a housing crisis, rents will go up, Even if the UK decided to get out of the EU it would not be enough time to shut down the borders,
I bet the British Government cant wait to bring these people to Britain. After all The British establishment have allowed the whole world to come here.
Another reason why |I moved my family to Canada, country twice thesize, half the population but rules, cannot get into the country just because, you are not provided a roof over your head just beacuae, not provided health insurance just because, not given benefits of any kind just because, the UK is going to rack and ruin and there are less Brits than foreingers, very sad.
Your country is what the people make it. Sadly though British people are let this country head towards utter doom..
Cameron unless you want a vote of no confidence very very soon you had better shut the door now we cannot take more garbage like this - this country infrastructure is in tatters and civil unrest is just below the surface you have been warned give us the referendum now so we can get out of the EU once and for all.
70 million Turks have their bags packed and are waiting for a wink from Mr Camoron. This is a Tory dream come true.
They are already here, no one needs permission any more our border forces are a national joke!
You know they are going to flood here. Who wouldn't knowing that a free house and benefits are waiting. Problem is none of our three main partities are going to do any thing about it. Cameron even wants Turkey with a population of 70 million and growing in the EU. With its poverty and open back door open to the Middles East, Asia and Africa, you can expect another wave once Turkey gains access. Unless someone gets a grip with this countries open door immigration, we are doomed to Third World poverty levels and social unrest. This madness just can't go on for ever.
I'm afraid our government will do nothing about any of this. They are spineless and blind to see what a mess the country is becoming. We hand out far too much money to the lazy good for nothing people who were born here so why the hell do we need more from every other corner of the globe. I deal with immigration in my job and foreigners have more rights than the people born here who are working hard and trying to make a living. As someone has already said on here having an opinion that opposes allowing the whole world to come to the UK for a free ride is seen as racist but that couldn't be further from the truth. I will be voting UKIP from now on and I suggest anyone who wants to stop this does the same.
This government should be had up for treason against its own people - the British, the only ones without Human Rights !
@ Defender of the weak, Marxist : I've lived near Roma Gypsy settlements ... If they come anywhere near here - I'm out! There is a reason why local bus drivers don't go there, there's a reason why no taxi driver would go there ... perhaps you should go an
Maybe it's time to get out of the EU and take control of your own Immigration instead of having it legislated for you. I thought it was bad here in Canada.
If only they work no money should be given out. If they not employed and put back in system.
if we can give them a better standard of living and they can find work here and benefit society, why complain? peoples have always migrated, we should be more sharing and inclusive, you are all being xenophobic and small minded
Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave right now
LAST WORD, dont forget your sleeping bags there must still be a few bridges with space underneath.
I feel desperately sorry for any families living in such poverty BUT this is the responsibility of the Bulgarian authorities, not us. We have families in the UK living on the bread line and children in poverty. Our responsibility is at home. It's time to shut the borders and concentrate on getting our own house in order. Benefits should be for the benefit of the needy in the UK not foreigners. If we went to live abroad you can bet that we wouldn't get help from a foreign government.
we do not want them in this country claiming benifits housing etc. something has to be done. about time us the english started to stand up to the powers that be... they cannot cook a rice pudding.......we are overloaded now. and this little island is sinking....they should have no rights what so ever to our welfare and benifits system. as for housing put em in tents in the forest. just perhaps they would go back to their own country. as an english person enough is enough.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c, Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02---------------->>>>>>Did you mean Nigel Farage? Nigel Farrell passed away in 2011.
Winston Churchill must be turning in his grave right now
Yeah, I bet you damn well ain't....
thinking of buying a property in Bulgaria to redress the problem !
Get yourselves over we have loads of money to give to the likes of you lot.The millionaire tories who run the country will give you what you want...They wont look after our own people but...If you carnt get it off the benefits system iam sure they will give you something from their own wealth.ha ha..
It doesn't matter what their orientation might be, irresponsible, amateurish governments allowed this country to become horribly overcrowded many years ago. MPs should remember that apart from awarding themselves fat pay packets and excluding themselves from prosecution in blatantly illegal circumstances ... they are our elected representatives and there solely to reflect and carry out the wishes of the bulk of the electorate. Politicians: whatever your political stance may be; stop fudging, get on with it and remember: before too long you'll be seeking our vote so you can keep your place by the trough of plenty.
Enough is enough, other countries don't let them in so why do we?? This country is a joke. Send them packing!
The UK is just a piece of real estate now with a diminishing indigenous population. As everyone from everywhere comes to the UK, so those who can afford it are moving out elsewehere...
I am a supporter of the EU and the demands for exit from europe is not the way forward. It will be more damaging to us. Exit would be like cuting the arm off when the problem is only the finger. There are other more efective ways of dealing with this by seting conditons for entry of these migrants..or in some cases enforcing the conditions for the freedom of movment that are already in place....like having to work and pay tax and NI for a year before any claim could be made.., selfemployed must show an income avove 22000 a year and paid contributions. Failure to do so revokes their freedom of movment....but no exit for the UK...the EU brings many more benifits for us than is generally reported...It really isnt as bad as the british press would like us to belive. Play the EU game like the other UU nations..say like Italy or spain .they dont give as generous benifits so why dont we copy....
Like the flooding happening, we'll soon be saturated. That's when the establishment will decide to do something - when it's too late.
I just don't know what to say anymore about this carnage other than vote UKIP and get us out of Europe. Although I suspect that come the next general election the damage will already be done. People will be rioting again and with good reason. Britain is no longer great and Labour was the architect of this huge mess.
After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist,.......Finish the sentence, it says "Love your neighbour as yourself". We need to love ourselves first. We are a tiny island, there aren't enough jobs or houses for those already here. We don't have full employment. Charity begins at home, that's a biblical concept. It would be kinder to help these people build a civilisation like ours in their country, though why can't they can't do it themselves? Jesus said take the plank out of your own eye before you remove sawdust from others. That principle means we should be ensuring we are in a strong position ourselves before we can even begin to help others, otherwise they will turn our lands into what they have left behind. We need to look after the poor and the sick already here, we just haven't got the infrastructure to feed and house the whole world
When they can come to England - it's going to be hell. They are a scum and I have never seen one Roma person trying to work. If you have no food, why do you make six kids for them to sleep on the floor? England is screwed. Not just England, the entire Europe is
Even if EVERYONE votes UKIP next time, they won't be able to undo all the damage that's been done to this country! It's TOO LATE.
Would other countries, like France or Italy put up with this..NO CHANCE IN HELL..Our MP's have no backbone, as long as they have jobs and a cushy life, who cares about us hard-working brits??
It becomes clear that DC welcomes being a one term wonder
it's time to do something, enough is enough. UKIP here I come.
I lived in poverty in the uk whilst finishing my degree, with my daughters cot pushed up to the bed. In a dingy 1 bed flat with damp. Not a penny from the government and paying tax. Now me n my partner pay so much tax to help sponges. We can't afford to buy a house because bills rent n tax is crippling. Medical care is rubbish! My little one has had a perforated ear drum for a week n docs have refused to see us!!! Wer can I move? Any recommendations? Time to pull out this dump
Other side is always green.
Pathetic article aimed at mobilising the ignorant, sowing fear and hatred. Pure propaganda
Well as Romanian i admit this would not be in your benefit. But, as usual, regular people notice wrong things around only when the sh** hits the fan... While governments don't care or do much (either yours or ours) and the rich people are getting richer, is the people who suffer. We are in EU for some years, but all we see is our businesses closing due to EU regulations, all industry bought by "civilized" world corporations, so basically we have nothing left. Add to that corrupt politicians (they exist everywhere, we've invented nothing) and we are just another market for your products.Prices are going up on all things, to match those of your countries. Minimum payment you get here (and a lot of people get that) is less than 200 pounds. I understand why you don't want more people there, but i understand why they want to be there. Everybody wants a better life, but seems that nobody is gonna get it, if things go this way. Merry Christmas to all (while you can enjoy it) !
IF THE EU SAY WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR BORDERS THEN LET THEM PAY THE BENEFITS THEY CLAIM
The problem is NOT the right of free movement - they could go anywhere across Europe. All the EU rules say is that they must be treated the same as our own nationals. The reason they come here is because the UK is stupid enough to pay benefits to people who have never worked or paid in for them. That is simply not the case in other EU countries. Unemploymant benefit is strictly for those who have lost a job, and not for those who have never worked. And it is only paid for a limited time, to enable the recipient to find another job, not forever. Any benefits for others will be bare subsistence and certainly not enough to pay for a nice house, sky TV etc. same with health insurance- only in the UK does every resident automatically get it. If UK politcians would grasp the nettle and stop the entitlement to benefits for nothing, all of this would stop, and only genuine people looking for work would come. Instead of thsi though, our Government want to invite Turkey to join! Crazy.
Nothing will be done to stop this, when our currant politicians finish they will retire else ware like the ones before them.
What on earth have we done to deserve this? What fools signed up to permit anyone within the EU to come here and claim our benefits when they contributed absolutely nothing to our dumb and now bankrupted Welfare State system? Why do the true Brits have to suffer for the incompetence of their leaders? Now is the time to come to the aid of the country before it is over run with economic migrants here for a free ride.
Of course peace on earth - but they should and can have 'peace on earth' in their own country - it shouldn't mean we ALONE have to open our doors to all the poor and dispossessed of the world. As the report says even this hard working boxer is still claiming half his rent from our Government and all the relevant benefits for his children. Our welfare bill now exceeds £200 billion a year and has been rising rapidly. This cannot go on. It is an emergency. It must be stopped. None of the major parties appear to show any sign of even acknowledging this problem. Our country is ruined and is already lost.... In another 50 years the old England will no longer exist.
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
"1,114,368 Eastern Europeans have moved to England". Yeah, and the rest.
of course the british are welcomed in other countries ,,we dont go there to bleed the system,we add to their wealth not take it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i am over 60 and my benrfit will be cut next year even though i have paid ni i since 16.If there is nothing for me or others in the same boat then these people have no right to anything and should be refused admission. I hope this useless coalition will finally wake up and do something positive for once as i and others of my age group fear for this countrys future.
I think I need to get out of britain asap! why should they be allowed to come here and get benefits? when other people who are British struggle for money cos they don't meet the criteria for benefits! our country is messed up so bad...
some immigrantion is ok, this is threatening, how can our infrastructure support this many needy people? i have just seen the news saying that English people are homeless here, if we can't house the people already here and pay their rents etc how can we take on another million? who is going to pay? all of them will need money, houses education, health care .............is there more money somewhere i don't know about?
Maybe the benefit rules should change if we choose to emigrate we don't expect to claim benefits and the country keep you.
Will the last Brit to leave please turn off the lights
FOR THE LOVE OF OUR COUNTRY, WHY CAN'T WE JUST SAY 'NO!' TO THIS EU DICTAT? We MUST be allowed to determine our own future which we cannot do whilst still tied to the European Union. Britain is already ruined by this and the previous Government. Time to get rid of the lot of them, and create a new way for ourselves. If you normally vote LIB/LAB/CON you must forget to vote with them, as they just pass us between them like a parcel. Now is the time for UKIP ALL THE WAY! It takes courage to step outside your comfort zone, but that's what we HAVE to do, to break up the TRIAD.
- Tesa, Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 1:13---Never mind sending them home, WE MUST NOT LET THEM IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE. Stuff the EU and all its crazy rules. The British Isles are FULL. Got it Dave? FULL.
It's what this country voted for in 1975 and to those who voted for it then it's no use crying UKIP now, they are not the answer. The Right Honourable member of parliament for Wolverhampton South West and others warned you of your folly but you took no notice so my advice is get on with it. You deserve no better!
"Life is poor in my country" but the top appears to show two of the three in full Adidas tracksuits! poor? really? could have fooled me!
Great. Best news I have heard all year....
Which country did our forefathers fight for in the 2 great wars? All british people have been let down, from Thatcher until now..................disgraceful.
Close the borders now, no more unchecked immigration.
They'll be arriving in their droves into the land of milk and honey. Just been gridlocked in the supermarket for 2 hours and in front of me with two trolleys stacked sky high were the laziest so and sos living around here. Never worked so the Rumanians and Bulgarians will have a great time/
And we've got lots of housing to spare.
The government is cutting benefits from British people yet they will hand it out to these people..........says it all about this country really!
UKIP
SOS,Vote UKIP
Why doesnt this newspaper ever writes about us, the romanians and other eu nationals, that live here righteously, without benefits, working and having a normal life, without stealing or begging or cheating laws? i've been living in the uk for the past 5 years, never taken 1p from the government, paying taxes and minding my own business. yes, i am bothered when media is crushing my romanian image because whenever i am talking to someone and saying that i'm romanian, i know what they are thinking and maybe, in some ways, i am much better than the benefits 16 years old teenagers with 4 kids, that live in a council house. what i want to say is that there should be a severe law that will only allow people to come and live here on certain conditions, and this should be applied for everyone not only bulgaria or romania. i am so fed up of being judged just because i am a romanian living in england.
With any luck the floods will block their route - just what we need more crime more benefit claims more unemployment and more pressure on health and education services - I'm all for equality and diversity but what exactly will these people being to us that will benefit us - I think we should all move over there and start a new England
Well they will make our chavs look like royalty compared to them
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much. - Cade, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 23/12/2012 23:31 Obviously they havent gone to Scotland but England is flooded with Poles and Eastern Europeans. My sons old school is most Eastern European.The High St is full of EE shops. The gov said only 8.000 a year would come here it was that a week.
My Missus, came up with a brilliant idea, she said, lets move to Bulgaria!
We need to get out of the EU and stop being an asylum shelter. This country has been built up through war, conquest, imperialism and defense, now we finally have peace we welcome the world with open arms almost as if every single British person is born with a sin which must be repented by paying for people from other parts of the world to be looked after whilst their own families are cold and hungry.
Good luck Blighty! Glad my tax payments are in Dollars. America might not be perfect but its better than home and the standard of living is much higher if you work hard.
The first pictures look like Hull
Were you, like me, worried a few weeks ago by the news that1500 qualified professionals were leaving the UK every week? Well, I'm glad to say that our worries are over. A great horde of toothless, illiterate non-English speaking peasants stands ready to step in and take their place. Government ministers say mass immigration is a good thing - but that's because they never have to use public transport, state schools, social housing or the NHS. For the rest of us, it's an ongoing and ever-worsening nightmare.
The only thing theyre entitled to use is the NHS, however i think this is wrong they should be forced to have insurance until they pay into the system. - Josef , Siberia / Unlike everyone else then? Expats in Germany have to pay health insurance from the day they arrive. What's more, those who haven't been paying into an NHS type scheme previously are forced to take private insurance which is hugely expensive (and impossible for older people joining). If you do neither then you are thrown out. Plus of-course another army of interpreters will no doubt be taken on across the land for this. Unlike Germany again. Here it is sink or swim. And quite right too.
No more plzzzzzzzzz...the UK is sinking - look after our own homeless etc....charity begins at home!!!!!!
We'd be cheaper giving their government money to give to their people so they can stay in their country to improve it. Britain has had it's fair share of poverty and terrible times but as a whole we stayed put and worked to improve things here for ourselves. Let's give them some money to help encourage them to stay and build their own country up.
Diabolical! Nothing I hate more than my hard earned tax money funding everybody else!! (Apart from disabled benefits etc for people who genuinely can't work) why can't we have strict rules like America?! What a joke
Maybe we should fix our own issues before giving out handouts to new wave of lifetime bludgers. The reality is that they will come here and in without working have a better house, more free time and afford to have more children than any hard working resident.
How man people sit there and believe our armed forced are "fighting for our country" when it is being diplomatically invaded.
Stop moaning about it in comment sections like this. Get off your backsides and do something about it
That poor horse and those skinny dogs. What a miserable existence for them.
Man, I don;t know about Bulgaria, but that video about Romania is so unbelievably racist and one-sided that it is hilarious. It's like describing the USA using images of hillbillies and rednecks :D
Wake up sheople! It is the cold-blooded deliberate policy of Lib, Lab, Con and the scum in Brussels to dilute and destroy national identities and any last remaining ideas about patriotism. Then the road will be clear for the imposition of the NWO they have been planning.
Ref mark halesowen 11:34 There is one sure way to STOP this the Country NEEDS either a UKIP Government or the very least a good amount of UKIP MPs,BUT until we STOP voting for the EU loving Lib/Lab/Con parties we have NO hope of regaining control of OUR Country.VOTE UKIP at all the Elections.
For all these people,this is like winning the lottery. Free housing, medical care and benefits and no need to work!
Yo ur comments: What has happened to my country? We should be singing God save England rather than God save the gracious Queen. Cameron take some poistive action, rather than sitting on the fence. Have a referendum. Let's get our of Europe asap.
Enough is enough. Everyone can start to voice opinions by signing the e petition on the Government website. Next send letters to MP's and the P M. Make as much noise as possible. I'm fed up of feeling like one of the minority groups in my own Country.
Me and all my family are voting UKIP lol
The straw that broke,the camel's back!!!!!! how depressing.
Iam late in life, but must get out of this place. Soon it will be hell here. What a government!
Support UKIP they are our only hope!
The only reason I am still in the UK is that I have tried and failed to sell my house. My ideal is a little sunny island in the Med where they don't hand out benefits like confetti and therefore do not have this problem of mass migration - only those who can support themselves. It will be back on the market come March and once sold I'm off never to return. Said it before & will say it again , this country is finished. If you have kids get them to learn Chinese or Spanish, buy them a one way ticket out of here. We will never get a pro-British government in the UK which is stricken with the cancer of PC.
This article is ridiculous... Before you start to talking, do some research.. Bulgaria is 6 million nationwide and Romania is 19 million... That makes a total of 25 million people, NOT 29... And do you really believe that your country is so attractive that everyone will immediately forget their lives and just leave? Come on, you shouldn't be that brainwashed. YES, there are poor areas in Bulgaria and YES lots of the stuff written about gypsies is true, but these are just a few neighbourhoods in Sofia and all of you know that every city has ghettos!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22 ~~~~~~~ We vote for people who say they will put the British people first, but sadly they do not. We've been waiting for a vote on Europe since the last election ! So far we are a peaceable sort of people so 'they' just ignore our protests too.
Well I got my family out of that cesspit 6 years ago so it doesn't affect me any more. I just feel so sad for what was once a great country and for the people that have no choice but to stick it out.
Why is it that through my working life I paid taxes so that I could have a reasonable pension when I retire. With these Rumanians being able to come and settle in this country and the authorities having to house them and put money into there pockets where is that pension which I paid for all of my life comming from. This coalition is the worst government that this country has had and the prime minister the most out of control with any situation he has had to deal with. Perhaps we could build the houses that these immigrants need right in the street that Cameron and Clegg live on and then they and their posh boys would know what the ordinary electorate put up with when they have not the brains in them to make a rational descision. Is it no wonder that thousands and thousands of British citizens are leaving this country because of the stupidity of the European Union and this coalition, given the problem I would think that a class of 4 year olds could do better.
This is the result of giving up your sovereignty to the EU. That wasn't really the choice of the citizens, that was by the central bankers of the world. They dictate everything now. It is not subject to change by voting. It can only be changed by force.
Yeah, why not! At least they will adopt our culture and intergrate. However, there shouldn't be automatice right to social benefits if they cannot find work.
What would Jesus do ?- Shazza, Gazza, Eritrea, 24/12/2012 9:53 +++++++++++++ Jesus wept.
A mother speaking up for the next generation and their children¿s children - They will think what's the point in working hard at school, college, University - no employment prospects, No Homes with No future! Please spare a thought for our children and STOP this madness causing overcrowding on our tiny island close the gates NOW. This is not malice towards anyone you have to ask yourself - why would you want to leave your own Country? Can't you at least try to build it back up again and this goes for all Countries! It's no good running away from a situation or from your Homeland you have to deal with it and build it back up again always remember you reap what you sow! You will miss your roots. Men must become Men again brave and strong physically and in mindset too - Stop becoming weak souls by running away! Stand up to what is rightfully yours and for your children do you really want to live in a foreign land? Be proud of your Country, have no fear, you are free, re-build!
We have Tony Blair and NuLabour to thank for this!!!! Blair foolishly refused to put a cap on immigration from the EU he said "Oh no need, they won't want to come here" His refusal to 'cap' has been responsible for immigration on a massive scale that will bleed this country dry. It's alright for the Blairs because they now own an estate that will keep the gypsies well away from them.
that's great news.
'Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world.'- citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom++++ The left : when their lies about how great immigrants are for our ecomomy won't fly - it's back to cosmic justice and the sins of somebody elses father.
UKIP are getting my vote!! & I pray the majority do the same!!
What about Romanians who are here and have a decent job or who are students, who are taxpayers? Gypsies are not Romanians!... I feel so disgusted of how people easily judge a full nation by a small part of it which according to human rights we can't control! ...So gutted!
Lets see where the British economy is in a few years after the next wave of immigrants who by the sound of things don't have anything to offer. Does this mean my retirement age will go up again so my taxes can pay for those claiming benefits the minute their horse and cart docks in Dover?
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world. - citizen of , Global village Mother Earth, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:14 Don't be ridiculous, nobody alive today has ever invaded anywhere, it would probably have been better if we had stayed out of the last world wars though as nobody thanked our country for saving Europe.
Must be a way to stop them coming here!!! - mark, Halesowen, 24/12/2012 11:34. There is. Quit the EU. But we have only one party leader that will offer a vote on leaving, and thats Farrage. Vote UKIP, and get us out of this mess.
WHY WHY WHY? I WONDER WHAT ARE OWN GYPCIES THINK, WILL THE NEW ONES DRIVE THEM AWAY/. THE NATIONAL ANTHEM SHOULD BE CHANGED GOD SAVE THE COUNTRY. THE GOVERMENT CANT OR WONT
I've nothing against Eastern Europeans - I'm married to one. But the only way this will ever stop is for the system to reach the point of collapse and then politicians will have to face reality and stop unskilled immigration. So for now allow everyone in until point of collapse or vote for an anti-immigration party. Of course there is a reason why the Tories like immigrants: keeps wages down. Marxist Labour likes immigration as it can destroy the Britishness that they hate.
I would say to Marek Mazur, we on these Islands, stood by your people when I was very young and offered a refuge, you also stood with us in those dark days, we had our politicians with backbones then, we also knew about hard work and respect for law and order. Today this has not just been watered down but deluged by the last Govt. which is all very well but they too are going to cop it, as we are still an Island. Workers are welcome but not criminals, we have enough here already.
With all the pick pockets we have in Parliament we certainly do not need more on our streets. It is time that the UK population made their voice heard to the Parlamentarians.
Cameron shut the door now before it is too late. If you want them here you provide for them from your pocket not the pockets of struggling British workers. Like many other people enough is enough. Don't forget you promised a ballot on the EU, perhaps you have forgotten. Please don't sayafter the next General election as God willing you won't be anywhere near the Houses of Parliament. I'm 80 years old and have had enough of politians looking after No. 1. In case you don't know who No.1 is when you are at the dispatch boox just look around and you will see 649 of them.
resnam sandbanks - the difference between these immigrants and British people emigrating to other countries is clear in one word - BENEFITS. Last time I looked Rumania and Bulgaria did not offer benefits and free housing to immigrants from the UK (or from anywhere else for that matter). Ex-pats usually have a job to go or a retirement pension, they are NOT expecting their host country to provide for them.This is the difference.
What a nasty, condescending attitude from british people.
we cant afford to look after our own british born never mind any one else!!! where is the money coming from to keep them here plus free health and dentists when our own here cant get a dentist!!
Sorry no more room at the European Benefit office,try Brussels.
The pictures in the article are a view of Britain 30 years on if the EU have their way. STOP ALL IMMIGRATION into Britain NOW. Get the EU to improve the economy of Bulgaria and Romania and countries who's peoples are in Britain as economic migrants, let them go back to where they originate from and improve their country. Simples.
Does it not occur to people that the reason benefits are being cut at present and some elderly are being put on the Liverpool Care Pathway, is because the government know that all these extra people will be arriving in 2014 and the pot will have to be stretched even further. God help us all. Our war dead have been BETRAYED. Our only hope has got to be UKIP.
i live in a grotty one bed flat with my 2 yr old daughter. I work and am not even eligable to apply for council housing.I live hand to mouth having to budget for every tiny thing we have. Xmas is not going to be a shw stopper this year. My daughtyer will have £40 max for presents and kind friends are having us for dinner. We dont own a car or have Sky TV. I dont have a computer ( I use friends or library) We are skint!!! Across the street a family of Polish people have just taken tenancy of a 3 bedroom flat that the council have totally gutted and put in new kitchen and bathroom. These people have a car! It makes me SICK. SICK.
Ban benefits for anyone until they have accumulated five proven years of useful, non-criminal residence in the country.
From afar I hate to say this but unless the UK does something PDQ it is totally screwed if Romanians have unfettered access to the UK. There are no jobs for them, all they will do is eat up money resources for welfare, Medicare and housing all courtesy of the UK taxpayer, totally insane!
Same old ignorant comments I see. It's such a shame that some people are too ignorant to realise that without immigrant labour we would not be the country we are today,- Lisa, BOURNEMOUTH, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:06 ++++++++++But people do realise that its because of immigration that we are the country we are today.
What an absolute fast, plz for the love of god can we please let this open door policy be addressed once and for all. This no great in Great Britain anymore!
No doubt Mrs Cable will be delirious with joy that these people will soon be on their way to the UK. This Government and it´s useless polticians are sleepwalking into further immigration, economic and social problems in the UK by allowing this to happen. Do they care anything about this country?
At this special time of the year we should be wishing for Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Men. Merry Xmas to our Roma brethren. Let's hope their lot improves.
We Have been warned many times to get out of Europe, why don't immigrants stay in any other EU STATE, Because they would not be able to claim for any thing, the other States wont put up with them or any other scum bag that happens to cross their borders, so what do they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Why, They push every one of them towards the once Beautiful Great Britain while those Muppets in the Houses of Commons bury there heads in their overflowing TROUGHS Pretending it isn`t happening. You people had better wake up, and vote UKIP, or you`ll be getting new neighbours. Remember the Trojan Horse. The WHEP ( We`ve Had Enough Party. )
@ words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20 FYI the name Great Britain does not refer the Britain's past achievements it was a way of differentiating Britain from Brittany France.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 AM ----------- Completely agree with you Ashley. All anyone seem to do whenever the government plan to implement a mad idea is to call for UKIP to be elected. What about the 3 years left the Tories have? We the British people have allowed the government to rule is without fear of reprisals if they betray their electorates. We the people are the employers of the government, it is about time we show them who is boss. Look at how much damage Labour have caused, we need to stop it before it becomes too late.
Why don't they sort their own country out and leave us alone?
What a nasty, condescending attitude from british people.
welcome migrants ..we need to even out wealth all across Europe. Why should we live in relative comfort while our neighbour next door live in such abject poverty?
Guy Fawkes had the right idea! Shame he was caught!
Bring back our armed troops to man the borders. Why cant these people go to France or Germany, or do they just come for our free for all welfare state?
Don't they realise that they'll just put even more strain on our purse strings and start dragging us further down to a third world country? Our streets are not paved with gold and enough is now enough.
This is what the EUSSR has become. A TRANSFER UNION: rich countries perpetually bail out lazy uncompetitive economies, the useless idle without work go to the rich countries to sponge off lavish state benefits and steal and pickpocket. GET US OUT.
More votes for UKIP!
"how about mentioning the highly qualified people who emigrated to the uk from these same countries. You don't have a problem with those issues do you??? Lars, Maros. Romania. They must all be hiding under rocks then, out of the hundreds of immigrants in our town I've met only one, a dentist who was so bad she's moved onto her third practice since she's been here, the rest are claiming child benefits housing benefits, free nhs dental treatment, tax credits, free school meals you name it they know how to get it, but what's worse is their still moaning about the services and care they get.it's never enough.
Considering every news item today is telling me how awful it is that we have so many more " homeless " people on the streets ... Just where exactly do the Govt intend to put this lot. We have no spare houses, our hospitals & schools are full, we simply can't cope with the thousands that have come already !!!! This is utter madness.
To all who fear, please don't, as no human could predict what might have happened tomorrow. Don't believe some conning predictions. Everything is in God's hands. Great Britain is under water. No human has done it but be afraid from God! I'm not a big fan of gypsies, either but as it is said in the Bible God can create and destroy, and everything is planed by God!
What a nice piece of propaganda! "There is massive prejudice against gipsies. The Roma people say they want to work, but no one will give them jobs." Interesting how they don't speak of the jobs which are reserved especially for them and neither of the free places reserved at universities just for them so that they can get an education. Guess what, they never apply. As someone who lived a very long time in Romania, I've seen some Gypsies who did honest work and a lot more who refused to because its easier to live off others, not because they don't have the opportunity. And some of them will even admit it, just ask them.
Speaking as someone originally from Sofia...yes, the area described in the article is a notorious gypsy ghetto. But gypsies are a minority, and areas like this one are only a small part of the city. The actual number of gypsies that come to Britain with no intention to work is tiny, compared to immigrants who come here to earn a legitimate living and pay taxes. The DM reporter has gone into the very worst part of the city and interviewed a bunch of dirt poor families. Why didn't they go and speak to the hundreds of professionals and skilled workers who come from Bulgaria to Britain? You know, the people who work hard to learn English and adapt to life here. I guess you can't get sensationalist headlines and photo captions from that. The again the DM was never one for balanced reporting.
In that case I'm leaving!
Good news. More hard working Eastern Europeans to do the jobs the British feel are beneath them. More tax and NI contributions to pay British pensions, benefits and keep the NHS limping along.
Claim benefits??! How on earth is that possible??! It's time that only people who are beneficial to society are allowed to settle here. Not those who just want an easy life!!
Its actually pathetic that people on here are saying its acceptable to let them in!we have no jobs as it is even less with them coming over they put a bigger strain on the NHS , they will claim our benefits that british people have payed into why should we pay for them???have they ever paid into the pot to be entitled to benefits?NO!!
Bring the army home from Afghanistan and let them do what we pay them to do - protect our country. Close our borders immediately, we have large numbers of both homeless and unemployed without adding to it. And Mrs Vince Cable, Roma gypsies will add nothing to our country.
These ppl should stop having kids that they can't aford; childlessness a choice I've had to make - so why on earth should I fund thier children? And/or like them regardless?
Britain is becoming the cesspit of Europe. We should close our borders now and sort out all the illegals that are here now. We are becoming the laughing stock of the World. Vote UKIP tell your MP enough is enough.
and dont forget, turkey are in the pipeline as well. god help us
Every member of Parliament not fighting for The Referendum, is a Traitor and should be removed from Public Office, our existing Bill of Rights, makes any involvement with the EU an act of Treason!
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c , Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02 >>>> who is Nigel Farrell? I agree with your sentiment but the fact that you don't even know the guy's name speaks volumes.
EU governments should have an opt out clause about migration from these new countries. The prospect of many thousands of these people who are totally unfamiliar with British traditions, culture and way of life, and whose standard of English is probably poor, suddenly arriving in the UK, is unnerving. How can the UK possibly accommodate them? The number of unemployed in the UK is high at present - there are, therefore, no jobs for a hoard of new arrivals. And HMG can hardly afford to pay out more benefits. It's harmful when too large a number of immigrants are let in all at once. I'm not xenophobic by any standard but I think it's sad how rural Ireland has been changed by the arrival of extraordinary numbers of Eastern Europeans since those states joined in 2004. At that time, however, our economies were expanding. It's now unthinkable that any new arrivals should be admitted in light of our economic difficulties. Enough really is enough. Time to put a stop to this nonsense now.
Isn't it about time we adopted Australia's immigration laws?
We Stand on the edge of an abyss!! The time has come to elect politicians who have the backbone to stand up and be counted. Remember the wars were led by privately educated people who simply fed the machine by the lives of the people who cared for the country. The time has come to rally to those who will stand against the Euro Machine . If France and Germany are so powerful why don''t the Romas take a shorter to trip there. The time has come to say IF YOU DON'T PUT IN, YOU DON''T TAKE OUT. SO STAY OUT!!!!! THERE IS NO WELCOME HERE FOR YOU
Yet another enormous betrayal of Britain and its people by a totally gutless government
Gosh never realised it was so bad!
"Even selling one copy a week of the magazine (created to help the British homeless) miraculously gives them self-employed status and allows them to beg with impunity outside shops and on street corners" Being self employs allows you to beg? No, begging is illegal in the UK.
What the government is scared of telling you is how much of the welfare bil is spent on non uk born people ......yes this will show the full extent of migration.
DaveyD, 9.44 = They said it was scaremongering with the poles and look what happened, it will happen again.
It will all end in tears .. Presumably these people could go to any member state? And presumably they will come here as we pay more unemployment money. Tough on our current claimants but how about paying out less than say France and they could all go there, they have double the land mass - roughly the same population as th UK? Obviously that will never happen as it makes sense (to me).
Why are we letting these poor people come here, we don't have jobs for the people already here, they will just end up being on benefits and we can't afford those already, what a mess, makes me angry
middle class hard working britians will become a minority in the next decade, this country will soon divulge into a wasteland of degenrites from all corners of the globe knowing they can get theirs paid for! No doubt protesting against a legalized foreign invasion will be considered racist!
Our tiny island is BURSTING AT THE SEAMS! The hospitals are full, the schools are full, there is nowhere to live - we are already living like rats in a sewer. There needs to be a revolution NOW before it's too late - our politicians couldn't care less that they have destroyed our country. God help us all.
The solution to the problem is easy.. No benefits until you contributed into the UK tax and NI system for five years 'across the board including our own nationals' that will take care of two birds with one stone.. The lazy at home and those who look at the UK as the free cash machine. Exception to rule. Those with proven disabilities and those that need hospital treatment. To move forward in other countries citizens have do national service, in our case it would be 'national insurance service'.
I can't blame ANYONE for wanting to come here - but I do blame the government for not controlling it. I don't want anyone to be poor and hungry - but we can't take them all. It's impossible. Harsh but true. Most immigrants here in Scotland work - the benefit chavs are our homegrown slackers. None the less - unless we can export the slackers to outlying European countries - we simply won't have room - anywhere in Britain. The Government has to say NO.
No doubt our taxes will go up again to pay for this next wave of scroungers.Our hospitals and schools are struggling to cope now and it will get worse.I fear for my grandchildren growing up in this country as they will soon be in the minority.
Just put yourself in their situation, living in such poverty. If you we're in the same situation, I bet you all would come to Britain to be able to give your family a better chance. This does not mean they will all be sucking off the benefits, I am sure many will & want to work. So lets not be so selfish.
The more that come over the stronger UKIP will become. If David Cameron stood up for Britain UKIP would disappear in days!
I don't understand how they get these benefits though. I have a friend who had lived abroad for many years - after paying FULL NI AND TAX all her life and then paying voluntary NI while abroad. When she had to come back to the UK to look after her aging mother after her father died, she wasn't entitled to a penny piece for over 3 months.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self. - Ian4c , Exeter, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02 ######################################################################################## I might vote for Nigel Farrell if I knew who he was but I think I will vote UKIP (Leader NIGEL FARAGE).
Revolution.
No more I say! Stop anyone coming hear to claim benefits etc. the only way to be able to have our say and enforce our own rules is to be free from the Europe regime! Lets get out and stay out for our own benefit!
Everything that is wrong with this country and government in 1 article! Timely while working class families struggle to try to provide a christmas for their families!! ...
i have been made unrmployed having worked for over 30 years and paid tax yet i get same benefit as a new immigrant who has not paid tax. Is that fair ?
if this lying government wont take us out of the eu then they must bring in a law where an immigrant gets the same benefits back in their own country and know rights for social housing over the ethnic british, ethnic white british or any type of british person. single passport holder only
'this is blairs fault.if cameron wants to get in the next time then he had better stop it now.'- desolation, lincoln, 24/12/2012 9:59--------------- Desolation, you may not know it, but it was Tory Ted Heath who took us into the CM and Tory Thatcher who signed the Maastrich treaty. Labour Harold Wilson allowed us a vote if we wanted to stay in or come out! It's historical fact! Whatever Cameron does he will never get in again! He may well go down as the last Tory PM ever!
I think most will probably go to Germany as the standards of living and the roads are much better.
Lisa bournmouth... I understand what you are saying yes most of our ancestors did emigrate here. however, it was no was near as crowded as it is now. too much of a good thing can be damaging. I know as most people employed in unskilled and semi skilled jobs that immigration directly correlates with a surplus of job seekers. now the average wage does not increase in line with inflation as there are plenty more people to fill your job. this means that someone supporting a family and a home is now in direct competition with someone living 8 + to say a 2 bed flat. the only winners are the employers. its not a new problem and happened when women entered the workforce (married women that is that traditionally stayed at home).my father earned 300 per week in the ship yards in the 70s this was average. now my mum and dads joint income is 400 per week (full time).people can't afford to live so they use credit which belongs to the big corps which are paying 1/2 and lending 1/2 with interest!
Plamen Petkov: The Bulgarian immigrant who died a British hero's death Plamen Petkov, 32, failed to make it back to shore after he raced into the water from the crowded beach in West Wittering, West Sussex, on Saturday. Mr Petkov's colleagues at Vulcan Building Services called the electrician a "thoughtful and caring man". They said he was "an extremely conscientious and hardworking person who was universally liked and respected by both his workmates and clients alike".
help!
Brill! Bobby looks hot, he can come to my house.
Oh terrific ! Merry Christmas to us then !
Well, thanks for the warning DM, although the tip-off is a wee bit late in coming. All over bar the shouting, I'm afraid (very afraid).
They will be telling us that we will be getting more enrichment and that we need there skills and these people made us great and fought and died for us in the last world war...... The same old lies that they have told us for 50 years to destroy the British people and everything that is British
UKIP here we come. If these people HAVE to come here then NO BENEFITS until they have worked for 5 years - then we will see how many want to come and live here. CAMERLOON and CLINGON CLEGGIE beware of the Great British Public your days are definitely numbered if you allow this influx of people.
We have enough scrounging ne'er-do-wells already. I don't care what race, colour or creed people are, but I have a strong avesion to ciriminals, idlers and scrounging timewasters of any nationality. If the cap fits.... GET US OUT OF THE EU SHAMBLES!! - BigJohn, Hull, United Kingdom, Big John, you have totally echoed what I keep saying to anyone willing (or not) to listen! We are a hair's breadth away from bankruptcy, and the many reasons for this seem to elude those in charge, whichever party that happens to be.
Why should we have to pay to give them benefits! Plus they take jobs from our own people. Don't get me wrong there are some English people that don't work and don't want to which is a disgrace but I am sick of immigration! It needs to stop here
No-one who hasn't paid contributions through taxation, or whose parents haven't paid them, should qualify for benefits in the UK. Working people should not have to pay for non-working people.Benefits were originally created for people who had lost their job through no fault of their own, war injuries, war widows etc who couldn't work. In all cases either they themselves or their parents/family members would have paid taxes previously.No way was the benefits system intended for people who just arrive here, have never worked in Britain or paid taxes in Britain.Poles have been given council houses in our village, paid for with housing benefits, over the heads of locals who've been on the waiting list for years. How is this fair? Cameron MUST close the borders NOW.
"Until now, migrants from Bulgaira and Romania have neatly exploited a gaping loophole in the EU rules. It allows those claiming to be self-employed to get a British national insurance number and a raft of hand-outs, including housing and child benefit".....Self employed THIEVES !!!
THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED!
They are havin a laugh !!!
Ah but when they all get here they will be happy to vote Labour which was the whole point of the exercise.
We cannot cope with the people we have! We can't possibly take millions more. Mr Cameron - do something for God's sake!
Laughing.Stock.
What reall annoys me is that some people in their communities will be making money from them by fixing up the paperwork, travel arrangements, etc. Then we have to pick up the pieces. I believe these "agents" will be actively encouraging people to come as it lines their pockets.
I'm seriously scared for the future of my kids and any grandkids I may have.
The whole country has a duty to vote UKIP and recover our country. Getting out of Europe and making our own laws again is the only option. This is scandalous. Blair the liar opened the floodgates and Dave's too weak to close them. Come on Nigel, sort it out!!!!!
Turkey are next up......Look out!
I can't believe all the negative comments! I say we welcome them with open arms. As part of Europe we need more people from across the continent.
Just sent this to no10- I actually feel like crying. This country has been ruined by letting all these foreign people in. There are parts of Britain that are no go areas. The vast majority who come here don't give a damn about the British way of life and have ruined it. Go to Boston or Bradford. Uxbridge try finding someone that speaks English. They want the benefits, benefits and money not even i as a tax payer could get. Get us out of the EU now and stop these people coming here. You need to send back a vast majority that are here too. You have helped ruin this country, but blair and brown are the biggest culprit. Greedy fat yobs the pair of them. Make good their bad.
I call upon the British people to take up arms and meet these tyrannical waves of immigrants at the borders. It is time to make this great nation what it once was, an island fortress with only the BRITISH as her dependants!
how on earth are we going to pay for this,ow i forgot ,itl be the british public who suffer again,i guess the tories wont take a small cut in there wages and bonuses will they,,get rid of the tories,get us out of the eu,CAMERON,YOU ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY ,when is the uk gunna wake up and get rid of this idiot ov a pm and get some1 in who knows wot there doing ,
What a total an utter mess. Why in gods name in these modern times are there such huge divides of wealth and poverty, it is so unfair and wicked. This country cannot keep taking in thousands upon thousands of people who hope for a better life. We have millions of unemployed, no future for the young, shortage of housing. There are areas of this country that reflect the images that are shown above and if this situation of continues those images and the rich and poor divide will become wider and more spread. The future is looking grim very grim.
absolute joke!!!!!
Well at least we won' have to worry about them bombing us lol!
We only have to be nice to these gypsies and romanians and give them our benefits because we have to,our criminal governments have said that if we are not nice to these people we will be prosecuted,what a wonderful future we have in the uk.
And out come the right wing nutjobs in the comments section! I doubt any of you have even seen a shanty town. Have a bit of compassion for your fellow human beings. And yes they're going to get jobs here, because they graft twice as hard as us lazy, entitled Brits for a start. They take the jobs that we're too proud to do.
Oh come on !! look at the joyous faces of the lovely children & imagine them in places like Tower Hamlets Peckham or Leytonstone....I see nothing wrong with allowing these vibrant, diverse, hard working & lovely people to come to our Great country & and use our generous benefits system to better their lives... who knows, we may get an Olympic medal in boxing ??
i have paid income tax all my life just so i can subsidise local carwash workers families ! Leaving UK at earliest opportunity.
We need to get out of Europe now before the 2014 date or we will be completely overun with low class immigration we are sleepwalking into disaster.
Oh the benefits of immigration.Or should it be immigrants on benefits!
At the heart of all this is good ols RED socialism. Funny always know what is best for everyone.....fashionably PC and diverse and let us not forget alot (not all) of religious "middle England" readily embrace what is fashionable and PC but as long as the consequences are not on their doorsteps and visible, leave that for the working class in big cities to absorb. I blame Blair for starting all this. Socialism will break the west.
Sorry but I don't think we can fit another 29 million people over here. We are already struggling to home the amount of people we have at the moment. Oh and of course if they did come over they would receive a house faster than British born citizens.
Glad I left the UK when I see this.
It will be the end of this country, well done liblabcon!
This will be totally red arrowed. If most DM readers posting here came to power, life would be intolerable, no freedom for anyone, no room for different opinions. If UKIP came to power they would be as unpopular within a year as the coalition and Labour are now: it is not just about leaving the EU, actually governing is a very complex task. If you vote UKIP it will destroy the Conservative chances and Labour will get in (do you want that?). UKIP has no chance of actually winning. Leaving the EU isn't the issue in this case, the main one is some kind of border control and also control of benefits.
OK, so that's set the date of the in/out referendum if the Conservatives ever want to get back into power in my lifetime ...
Why anyone would want to move to Britain is beyond me. Bulgaria is a beautiful country!
You are all so ignorant and indoctrinated. Anyone who looks at these photos of people in poverty and feels hatred towards them doesn't deserve to be alive. If you were living in this kind of squalor, you would also leave for better opportunities. You people are so unbelievably stupid it's unreal. Do you think that Britain owes you something that it doesn't owe these poor Bulgarians and Romanians? You were born into this world OUT OF CHANCE you bunch of remedial simpletons, this could have easily been you.
And the British public have no say in it..................we have voted IDIOTS into power
The future of humanity does not lie in continuing with country/nations and races.. that will eventually destry us, why are humans unable to see this
This is the EU open borders policy in action. If there was only one good reason to be out of this is it. Our dear leaders try to make us believe that immigration of this kind is good for Britain. Let's get out of this madness before still more damage is done.
You paint a very dark picture!! If this does start to happen god help this country, a start of a mass influx will surely bring this government down enough is enough Cameron this country can't look after with what we've got now!
Welcome to Britain!!
I hate my country.
Lets have a EU with a flat playing feild where the rules are the same for all. In France you cannot claim benifit until you have first worked and you can`t avail yourself of the health system right away, so it`s time we adopted the same measures, then maybe some migrants may well decide to reside in another country.
I think these lot coming in would be hard workers.There just needs to be a system where the welfare is not taken advantage of unfairly. In Oz, new migrants cannot claim benefits for the first 2yrs. Seems to work well. Migrants from non English speaking backgrounds in Oz are generally hard workers, and they make sure their kids do well at school. They appreciate the education offered. I hope those coming into England will treat England with appreciation and respect... and contribute back to their new home in a positive way.
A lot can happen between now and Jan 1 2014 . With a bit of luck an Election . could be forced by then .
I rather live in France where you have to pay into the system BEFORE given any hand-outs
I do believe that the sole idea behind the EU is to ruin Britain. They have tried by force, many times over the years, and and are doing it by stealth. Vote UKIP it is our only chance.
Good bye England tha land I once knew and Loved. Gone for evermore!
I blame all the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Normans, Romans, Vikings and Danish etc, who came here 1000 years ago. They started the trend. And we didn't have a Common Market then either! They just walked in, took all our jobs, and claimed benefits. It aint right innit!
Right. I'm off to Australia. Who's coming with me?
what we should is to leave the uk and move to Romania and take all with us
Great! More hard graft for me on building sites working for peanuts while I watch all these foreigners come into the country being able to buy a decent house or even new while driving round in new Mercedes cars. Absolutely disgusting. Baffles me how this is possible.
Your comments: The Governement is sacrificing their own Country for the immigrants and migrants. We must stand up to this and I fear that we will because this is going too far. We will be tolerant to a point but this is going too far now. They are killing everything this Country has to offer - manufacture, farming, development. There is no turning back once we have gone too far. Is that what we want ??????
Any huge influx in immigrants has got to be a bad thing. The fact they can claim benefits is a disaster. I do not agree with the EEC as too much power is put in people hands. They want a European government and bank = very bad idea. The more people in benefits the more control the government have over citizens, which is the plan. The poverty described exists in most countries, not just Romania. Most villages in Asia are like this. Look at India, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey etc. Look at the poverty in the UK and USA. Allowing access to state benefits to foreigners is complete madness !! This can only lead to disaster.
IS this reason for cutting Benefits so that the Government can be a good little(thats what the EU thinks know doubt) EU member and be able to support all that comes from the new members. I am ready I allready have a second lanquage - English ready for 2025.
Look at these pictures and see parts of the uk in five years time
This must be stopped now and the reason why we should of left the EU before eastern europe joined. This country and especially london can't take anymore people.
come out of the idiotic eu and do not let these foreign scroungers in !
Why do we have to let them come? there are no jobs for them, no houses, the NHS is at breaking point and schools are overflowing. We are going to be paying benefit to them for years to come, they will be out on the rob and sending money home so it wont help the economy ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I dont blame people and companies avoiding paying tax if this is where it's going
I can't wait
Well just let them all come in who cares any longer, our governments are totally inept and powerless and directionless and pathetic anyway, so who is going to stop them? I suppose the few of us left who actually speak english and work for a living will just have to work harder and longer and pay more tax to cover all this mess.
How appaling is this. I understand that these people live in harsh times, no denying that BUT seriously what is going on. Are these people going to work or just live off us. I work for pittance and pay alot of tax, and when I got made redundant after 6 years service at my previous company, it was made ever so difficult for me to claim jobseekers to see me through so I could live off something whilst searching for work. Yet these people can just claim benefits and live off us, HORRENDOUS!!! Britain has become a laughing stock, we have become a minority in our own country, we need to toughen up a bit and make these good people who wish to seek asylum WORK and not claim off us. Where do they plan to house these people?! No doubt they'll get brand spanking new houses, fully furnished and everything our government can throw at them. And I fully agree with Yvonne, they arent here to embrace Britain they are just here to live off us. Grow a backbone UK!!!!!!!
Feed the world (with our money), let them know it's Christmas 365 days a year in England.
And our stupid politicians still claim that we benefit hugely from being controlled and dominated by the EU. The only people who get the benfits from our membership are those who come here as benefit tourists and with no intention of making any contribution to our welfare. A|nd we are supposed to smile and putup with this total utter robbery. The hard working paye paying no perks taxpayers are getting pretty fed up with this Cameron, do somethinbg about it or there is going to be some serious trouble brewing.
Oh come on look how they are living! They are fellow human beings - lets be charitable. What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if you lived there?
To those saying Scotland should vote to be independant and not have this.NO HARM IN TRYING EH - 'ANY WHICH WAY' WONT WORK WE KNOW YOUR STUNTS and your reasons. WE are already full of them and its one reason even SNP couldnt afford non workers I know many who will be heading for FRANCE AND ELSEWHERE IF THAT HAPPENS WHERE AT LEAST IF YOU PAY TAXES OTHER QUALITIES WILL MAKE UP FOR IT.
these people should be made to work, what right do they have to live off the state, and whilst I believe every human being should have the right to a decent way of life, that involves intergration with your new surroundings, the amount of European immigrants that come to England and Ireland that have no interest in immersing themselves in the lanuguage and culture is unbelievable, and I can guarantee if you moved to their country you'd be expected to immerse yourself in their culture!
time to stop the rot,this country must make a stand like Greece,wake up .
VOTE UKIP AS WE HAVE TO STOP THIS MADNESS , WE CANNOT AFFORD IT
I have seen first hand what has happened in EU countries who have let them in. Just another nail in the UK coffin until we have a pro-British government in place.
But we will have the right to live in Romania or Bulgaria - So it evens itself out. All ls fair in the world.
Best get the sandbags ready as the floods will get worse in years to come. The sea levels aren't rising, the country's sinking under the weight of both the newcomers, and the swollen ego's of the liberal left!
The Grand Project in progress; how to destroy our green and pleasant land. WHY do you think we are told we need MORE AND MORE HOUSING - and schools, and hospitals, and roads - just WHEN DOES THE TIPPING POINT COME - and the Brits have the BACKBONE and COURAGE to say 'ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'. When we start to RUN OUT OF FOOD, WATER, POWER? The UK has become a dumping ground for the 'unwanted' in the rest of the Federal Empire. If you voted for the LimpDumbos, the LabRed or the Cons - then this is the inevitable result. You don't like what the future holds for you - AND your children - AND your grand-children - then the ONLY WAY IS UKIP. Otherwise it's a case of 'Cry My Beloved Country' - the UK will not exist as a land of tolerance, fair play and a cohesive society. THE ONLY WAY IS UKIP...... or when the civil disturbances start - watch the EU Federal Army march in... they are waiting in the wings. Vote UKIP - for your FUTURE.
THE END full stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
I am not sure the British people will peacefully accept what could be a further huge influx of foreign immigrants which will inevitably lead to longer and longer queues for housing, medical and other essential services. When they are struggling themselves how are they supposed to feel when they get squeezed into an ever smaller corners? It is very worrying.
How did the mail get a time machine to take pictures of our once glorious isles in 10 yrs time! Amazing!
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me... - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom / OK, well I'd like to live on Jersey and have a nice house and all services provided for me free of charge. Will you and your mates fight on my behalf please because for some reason the authorities there just don't see it that way. After all it is so close in many ways to Britain.
UKIP
Merry Christmas and a HUGELY successful New Year to Nigel Farage!!!!
//One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what???//......To liberate Europe?
"Migration is not a crime....it's a shame 'bigotry' isn't either ..... - Theredboop, Liverpool, 24/12/2012 8:54 ITS NOT A CRIME TO BE UNEMPLOYED IN THIS COUNTRY AND BE A BRITSIH CITIZEN.. but the DM readers seem to think it is...
The British people are very fair; we sympathise with the apparent widespread discrimination and do not condone it in anyway. But enough is enough. British people want to know why these countries have been allowed to join the EU when discrimination and human right abuses have not been stopped in their home country. That is what British people think Human Rights Law is for not to protect terrorists. If Bulgaria et al were forced to stop discrimination etc perhaps they would not leave. EU has had plenty of time to do this this Bulgaria joined but they have done nothing and NOW Britian picks up the pieces. Enough is enough but British people DO WISH these people's lives improve; after all we are British and fair
This is another attempt by the Fascist EU to destroy this once great country, We are full up and fed up, we are not here to bank roll the rest of Europe, this madness has to stop!!!
Awww! Poor stray dogs. So cute!
My mother is Bulgarian and she does not claim benefits. I think that they should be allowed to live here and if can not manage at all can claim benefits.but the British should realise that it works both ways, we move to their countries as they move to ours
Ah, What a beautiful melting pot! I've already met other Eastern Europeans, Latvians, Luithanians, Slovaks, Chechs... now the pot gets a lovely mixture of Bulgarians and Romanians. Brilliant!!!! Thanks to Labour and the Lib Dems, Britain is a more diverse country. Give it a decade or less and the E.U willl develope some sort of open Borders agreement with Russia :)
I like to visit this website regularly for my prescribed dose of latent racism.
We have to shut the doors or we will sink in more than one way!
We can't change the past. At least we can our future. For God sake stop them.
STOP IT NOW - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We have pensioners who cannot afford to eat or put their heating on. Sick peole who are not getting the proper care or treatment. Schools that do not have the proper teaching equipment. And of course don't forget those on benefit. How can we keep more people that are coming here. We are trying to sort out our country - let them sort out theirs.
Sorry just realized these people just come here for the benefits. The government has a responsibility to its current residents. In helping its own people in time of need. There is already too much strain on this country's resources which if left unchecked will eventually leave this country bankrupt. We are heading in that direction and in less than 20 years this once great country will become a poor third world country. This country has a responsibility to look after its OWN people first before others jump on the gravy train!
It is true, yet another demonstration 'of giving our country away', I truly despair!
You should see how they treat Italy. They ride the trains begging for money or sit with their kids in the city centers, It is all organized business. I am working and paying rent and have a Romanian family above who are noisy, inconsiderate and the husband abuses his wife and I was told I have to put up with it. I am sick and tired of Italy and thought about coming back to Britain but after reading this article feel even more sick to the gut. Asylum seekers here are allocated 46 euro a day and still complain and are free to sell drugs and make more money than hard-working Italian citizens who are at their limit. There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, that's the tragedy. So, Britain you cannot plan for these kind of people. Crime will rocket and your rights will diminish. Britain will never recover! We are living this reality here, now and it is coming to you next year.
If this "Freedom of Movement" is an EU rule send them to other EU countries. What would the EU do if we just said NO to them and closed all our borders, - will they throw UK out of the EU - if so good we wouldn't need to wait for our soft headed politicians for a referendum.
Dear The Government - If this happens there will be civil war! Dear The Queen - for once why don't you earn your money and DO SOMETHING!
They will be telling us that we will be getting more enrichment and that we need there skills and these people made us great and fought and died for us in the last world war...... The same old lies that they have told us for 50 years to destroy the British people and everything that is British
What about our human rights? I think we need to start demonstrations and protests to have our voices heard like they just did in India. This government does not care what the people of Britain want .
What a lovely Christmas story from the DM.
All the do-gooders shout it enriches our society. Well I have had enough of my culture being diluted and overwhelmed by foreign cultures. We are so hell bent on looking after everybody else's culture to the detriment of our own. I couldn't care less what they do but I do care about my British culture and the fact it's being abused. Harriet Harman, Tony Blair, Trevor Phillips and many more can go and rot in hell as they are the main players of the demise of our nation. I will be voting UKIP and I urge all of you to do the same as some of you I know will just be whinging and not do anything about it. Get out, vote UKIP and make your case.
I think some people won't be happy until the sort of scenes you see here are recreated in this country. Why doesn't the EU do more to sort out these countries problems instead of meddling with our country? Why did the EU even allow these countries to join in the first place if they are in such a state? Also the big question that has to be asked is why they want to come here when there are plenty of other rich countries in the EU, some richer that us?
This is weird in ever consider ukip but more and more I'm thinking that we should get out of the EU
& If You Woz In Their Position! What exactly would you do? Humanity! you do not own Britain! English lady who has lived in Spain & now lives in Scotland! Live where your heart desires people!
What puzzles me is that Europe legislature covers just about everything exept the protection of a society that are being persecuted in there own country we are bound by law in this country to protect our own and the civil libertarians and human activists quite rightly will make sure of this, its about time that Europe and its member states protected there own by using there own police force and army in that problematic country to maintain the rule of law if they can dole out hundreds of millions in euro`s to stabilize indivdual countrys his not human life more precious you cannot keep moving the problem on this is ethnic cleaning
Get out of the E.U. now and close our borders and put a stop to this terrible drain on our once British beautiful country
Politicians please listen - STOP IT NOW - you have time - do not believe anyone who says they won't come - they have planning this for years (people and their politicians who can't wait to get rid of their home grown problems) and come they will, in hordes and our country will be lost and it will be your fault.
The 'in work benefits' like Housing Benefit are the main problem with migrants. The taxes paid by the car washers and so forth are peanuts. It only takes a single claim for Housing Benefit and you are looking at hundreds a week lost to the taxpayer. And of course the extra demand for rented housing means that all rents experience upwards pressure, meaning existing claimants will be claiming more. The other big drain is the NHS. How much will it cost for 200,000 Bulgarians to register with a local GP? Then how much will it cost of 10% of them actually need some form of healthcare? And what will the cost be when just 1% need to have an ambulance and /or a visit to A&E and / or hospital bed for a couple of nights?
I am 23 years old, me and my boyfriend have just brought our first flat, it was really hard and to be honest we will probably struggle but the government will not help us we both work and have no children so are entitled to nothing. How is this fair?They have never paid money in to this state yet we give handouts to all of these immigrants no wonder this country is in so much debt!David Cameron seriously needs to sort this out!!!
This surely indicates that we are a caring and reasonable society; these people do not want to go to Germany or France. We are a part of the EU and cannot ignore the rules even if the rest do. Do we not pride ourselves on being a tolerant multi cultural society; we have most of Ireland¿s traveller population so what difference will a few more make. If we fear an increase in crime then that can be dealt with by our Police and Courts, not to difficult to hand out a few more community service orders or ASBOS. Anyway the children will be under the age of criminal responsibility. And on the positive side it will provide more employment, Solicitors, Interpreters, Social workers etc and their extra taxes will go towards paying the additional benefits. This is great for Britain.
This is pure madness, it/s like a sinking ship with one life raft the more we alow onboard the quicker we will sink. MPs must do a uturn and block this migration, never mind the human rights stuff we have seen where that gets us,Get real David speak through your thin lips loud and stand up for us the British people.
I think the government should let us British people vote on this particular issue, before we are over run with these people, God knows what this country will be like in a few years time if this migration is allowed to go ahead, it's bad enough now.
No wonder we've been in recession for years and there no signs of it changing anytime soon. Sort your own country out first before opening the doors to others
...and a Happy Christmas everyone.
What would you do? Just say for one minute you and your family lived in a poverty stricken country were there is very little opportunity to improve your life, wouldn't you want to do better? Given the chance, wouldn't you want better? Anyone who says they wouldn't is a liar. Anyone who says they would rather continue to live a life of poverty is a liar. I personally don't believe everyone who comes to Britain comes for the free benefits - some may well do but, lots more don't. Many come to work hard and give them and their family a once in a lifetime chance for a brighter future. Anyone who wouldn't want that is a fool. I bet many readers here knows someone, or is related to someone, who has done exactly that.
They even admit going to Britain for free money? Wow, just wow. We have the same problem here, but with people from Poland. I feel for you Brits.
Utter madness I fear for my 3 yr old grandson what will yhis place be like in another 10yrs!!! --I Hate what you have done to ENGLAND Blair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh blooming marvellous. We already have a housing shortage, a worsening NHS, no discipline in schools, a financial deficit, and all the rest of it, and now we are set to import a few million uneducated gypsies. And just where are these millions of people going to be housed and educated, may I ask? And who the hell is expected to foot the bill? There'll be riots and bloodshed if this nonsense continues. Before you know it our streets will resemble the slums of Mumbai.
it s time for the people of England to make a stand like Greece have,or you can stand by and slowly lose your grandchildren's future and your country as you know it,it has already changed beyond recognition ,the people of England must get some backbone,before its to late.
seriously?? are you kidding me?? i have a chronic illness and unable to work although the lovely ATOS say I can, have 2 kids to feed, a mortgage to pay and cant get the help i need just to survive, yet all these bulgarians are coming into the country who've never paid any taxes and will get housed, clothed, fed and produce even more kids !!!!! i could cry..... when are this government going to do what they are supposed to be doing, they're supposed to be working FOR us, not AGAINST us !!
I have seen my homeland become a destroyed on purpose, by self centred well as it says in the Bible, 2 Timothy Chapter 3 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Unfortunatly we did not turn away but listened to there doctrines of Devils.And have seen our beautiful islands turned into a hell on earth!
what a despicable article to concoct at this time of year. Not only is it inflammatory it is also a gross exaggeration and as to those who say they're getting out of the country, what gives them the right to inflict themselves on another country ?
I'm emigrating in the Spring, thank God, to a beautiful country with strict immigration rules and only 4 million people. I despair about what has happened to England, just don't recognise my own home anymore; feel like I'm a stranger now in my own country, seems like I'm now a minority in London, being white and English and English speaking. Don't think that I will ever return. Most of my friends are doing likewise or have already left for pastures new.
Never trust any parties in the government they give us the blurb at the start then shaft us when there in power.This EU rules are nonsense.WE WILL ALL BE WORKING FOR SWEET F.A SOON.
and i'll be voting yes in the 2014 referendum.
God help us!
get out of the eu tories this is the future if you dont
Oh well, isn't that wonderful....
You have had 12 years to stop this you did nothing those of us who did complain you denounced as Racist. Good morning UK wakey wakey.
Is this why the government are taking benefits from the British people to save money for the new batch of foreigners?
We are so far down the gurglar now it doesn;t really matter anymore. No one with the power to stop it really cares, and I can't see for the life of me why not. SUrely everybody can see what is happening in this country. We are bursting at the seams. There is so much tax pAyers money being spent welfare benefits, and alike. How much more can we take. If we are not already. we are speedily turning into a third world country and will soon have more people sleeping on the streets and thousands not having enough to eat. And if you think I am exagerating and DON'T BELIEVE ME JUST WAIT AND SEE!
Merry Christmas Everyone, If just a small part of this article is true this island should sink into the sea weighed down with people and at the moment water, last person turn off the lights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must be a way to stop them coming here!!!
That was a well written article, it gave both sides of the story, was very interesting. I cannot see all them gypsys going to Britain, where would they put them all? There is only so much government/tax money to go round.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. In Spain, to qualify for any kind of benefit, you have to be a resident, and to be a resident you have to meet certain criteria. First, if you are of employment age, you either have to be employed or qualify as self-employed. If you are relying on the former, you have to prove it (as a condition for applying for residency); if the latter you have to prove both your level of income and that you have a capital reserve and that you have medical insurance. If you are receiving a pension, then you have to prove that you are receiving it or a sufficient alternative income here and that you either have medical insurance or that you qualified for state medical cover in your country of origin which is transferable to Spain. Spain is as much a member of the E.U. as Britain, so why can't Britain do something similar. Oh, and by the way, unemployment benefit ceases after 2 years.
This socially destructive development is another reason that Lennon's Imagine no longer resonates with me especially the not so Utopian line 'Imagine there's no countries...' This article reveals the result
As much as I really feel for these poor people, this country just cannot sustain this further mass influx on top of the many thousands that are flocking here daily. The indigenous population is being hit very hard by austerity measures and times are very hard for most of us. The only people not suffering are the rich and this government. We cannot take any more. Why should our hard earned taxes pay for others to flock here. Why have we NO say in how our taxes are being spent. The propaganda this government spews out about our unemployed is ludicrous when what they are doing is covering up is mass immigration for others to take our homes and what few jobs are available as well as our taxes in benefits. The EU should sort out the mess in these countries not allow such mass immigration. Just what does the EU spend our money on anyway? What benefits are there for us? All I see is more misery for us Brits.
The sooner they destroy this country the sooner they move on to next one
we are full ,just say no ,get DC out ,sack goverment ,call early election ,get out of EU other wise the UK will be ruined vote in UKIP now ,,,if we had the jobs & no recession no problem but all will happen crime will rocket we will end a country like theirs surley the EU can get rid of these corrupt leaders so they can look after their own people ,,this world is run by insane people just like john lennon said ,,
Sounds like it will be a good time to demolish my house, build an apartment block and emigrate to California with all the money.
Take a second to think WHY people emigrate is it because their country is so amazing they can't stand it its to good or is it because of war absolutely poverty family member dying or being murdered by corrupt governments. We are lucky to live in such a good country as much as we moan and moan and moan about how awful our country is it a good place to live with benefits helping the poor etc. put yourself in someone else's shoes would you want to live in a shed with no heating for you and your family or would you seek a better life???
They could camp in MP's gardens .
Surely they won't want to come here, will they?
This article is writen to scare british ppl so they vote for ukip its so obvious! Just dont give benefits so easily thats it
A plan that a couple of thousand years in the making, finalised in the past two hundred years all achieved to precision as a result of their victory in WWII. What have we done?
As an ex-pat who left his homeland in the hope of a better and safer future for his family I by no means feel the need to be smug about the decision we made, and as happy and glad we feel about the move it is also tinged with sadness for the good people we left behind.
I am British, I love being British and I love this country regardless of what some lefties might want me to think. I don't mind anyone who wants to live in this country, love it and work hard like me to make it better for everyone.But I can say this, I am perfectly willing to fight to get my country back to the decent hard working country that respects IT'S hard working citizens over every other piece of rubbish that feels it can come here and turn it into a cesspit. If it comes to it I think you will find there are many like me. Lets get our country back shall we and make it known enough is enough.
And they probably will stay in London were we already live on top of each other. Reminds me of the truck load that arrived in London not long ago who planted themselves in Green Park and only moved when they were sure to have a house to go to. When they left that beautiful Green Park was a mess. It wouldn't be so bad if we had jobs, but we don't, what do you think they gonna do to survive .... I feel sorry for all of us, we have been let down very badly by our politicians.
This is silly, and whilst I appreciate that these countries are in harsh times, Britain seems to be looking after every other country and doesnt seem to be looking after their own people. Are these people going to be working when they come to this country or are they going to be living off the good tax payers of this country. I work for pittance and pay a ridiculous amount of tax each month and so far I dont see anything being put back into our own country. I was made redundant and it was made so diffuclt for me to try and claim a little bit of job seeker money to get by yet these people can just walk into our country and get money thrown at them left right and centre. If we start to house and support all these people then what will happen to our country! We've become a charity for every other striving country because we cant say no! We've become a laughing stock, we need to toughen up and take a leaf out of countries such as Australia who are more vigilant about who they let in.
The government need to look after their own first - Hold on there , Here, 24/12/2012 09:47 ... They don't see US as "Their own"
You never know, they might bring some respect and humanity to this dump! Look at the recent article showing Brits "celebrating" in Newcastle!
So now we all need to be survivalists. Load our guns. stock up with tinned food and plenty of water just like the US nut-cases!
Perhaps if we keep up the troubles in N.Ireland... that may deter them from coming here.
This is more like the supposed prophecy of the Mayan Calendar. Our country shattered and crushed under a deluge of sponging immigrants. Don't forget, if the eastern european gypsy population lives up to its reputation, our prisons will also be heaving (assuming we can catch the criminals in the first place!) What are the chances that our population will finally wake up and rise up and start building barricades at all the ports and airports?
Bring it on, see how we react.
Still, you gotta laugh haven't you....
This country has no choice now. It must leave the European Union. The politicians, bankers and central bankers have bankrupted the country financially by buying votes with free everything, while they get nicely paid off when they retire. They print money to pay for their vote rigging. They have destroyed savings, they lie about inflation and allow indebted people to borrow for nothing. Perverse in the only word to describe it.
'Given the state of the once great country, given the way we have been shafted by successive government's of whatever colour, I can only say - if I were young enough I would emigrate' ... Can you not see the irony of that statement? When bad political economic decisions of a government make young people want to move abroad to work and contribute that is a God given natural instinct. When lazy people with nothing to give want to come to the UK and want to insult their host whilst getting benefits or getting involved in crime that is another thing. I wish the debates will distinguish between the 2 groups. Some descendants of the latter group also want controlled immigration - but enlightened debates and strong action is the way forward - not simplistic reasoning.
I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now? - Sassygirl, England, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:21 The reason for introducing these plans is not to save money, or to get young or our sick, disabled people into jobs, that are not available in the first place, but to try and free up as many houses as possible for them,to come over here and if they cannot succeed, then they will build new houses, on green belt land.
"you can see why we like Britain, where everyone is treated fairly" - except the indigenous population, who are only vaguely noticed just before an Election, then instantly forgotten.
Why are we in the EU? letting every Tom, Dick and Harry into our country when we are in enough debt as it is. What a complete joke
Why have we still not got a free vote on immigration law????
I just wrote to my Tory MP about this and received a reply. He 1. Blamed Labour. 2. Said nothing could be done to stop them coming but benefits might be restricted a bit. 3. Said UKIP were rubbish. So don't think the Tories are going to help us!! VOTE UKIP!
We have no room for anymore people here! Soon we will be told we can only have one child Like China as there are to many people. They should not be allowed Benefits as we the tax payer fund this. Its so funny that they can come over here and get them at a click of a finger but if we want them its form after form after phone call to be told no! Forget the EU.....They are the ones ruining this country
DM, you are fanning the flames a bit me thinks especially at a fragile financial state that the UK is in. It's not a good time to be inflammatory. Why don't you to excerpt YOUR influence over the government in retaining stability back in the country for UK citizens who are struggling to get by...
I think we will need an amendment, "The right to carry arms"!!!!!!!! Or send them to the states :)
Theresa May has admitted that because of E.U. rules the government can do nothing about the possible influx of Romanians and Bulgarians in 2014. This is what U.K.I.P. mean when they talk about our loss of sovereignty,we no longer run our own affairs .If you are unhappy about the situation then do what I do . I vote U.K.I.P. I support U.K.I.P. I joined U.K.I.P.
I hardly think all 29 million are going to come. That's nearly half the population of Britain now. I would be happy if qualified and hard working immigrants settled, but not those who just think they are entitled to claim benefits and so do.
And you know who these people will vote for don't you? The Labour Partyand that's the reason why Blair had this open door policy while he was ruining the country and Brown was calling Gillian Duffy a bigot for questioning the tide of immigrants coming into her town. And Ed Millionaire won't say anything about this impending influx of economic migrants because of these votes he hopes to win in 2015. But what will Camoron do about it? Apart from making fine speeches, nothing really. But then, you didn't think he would do much anyway, now did you?
dave get the army back get the air force ready and the navy patrolling our shores for any unwanted guest trying to get in as our biggest threat is this! BTW guys get ready now for massive tax increase as this will need to be paid for some how
And just watch our politicians roll over and let it happen. Bring it on - eventually the British will have to wake up or accept a well deserved extinction.
Imagine this? Several million immigrants coming over in the space of a few years. Maybe a few Doctors and Nurses, and maybe a few professionals, but otherwise cant see any other immigrants worthy of entrance. On average £20.000 per immigrant in benefits PER YEAR. Do the math and what do you have? Goodbye benefits system, Goodbye NHS, Goodbye UK!
It's a joke. Get us out of the EU. The vast majority of the British public do not want this mob Descending on us on the take.
no no no no no no no ,& sack the goverment now start again ,get out of EU now ,
40 pounds for a pair of shoes?
How can they claim benefits? If you haven't paid into the system you should not be able to take from the system. And balls to what the EU says.
Like the flooding happening, we'll soon be saturated. That's when the establishment will decide to do something - when it's too late.
I think that the best way forward is, for every say 100 000 or so of the immigrants who come over, we get to claim part of their homeland as British territory. We should say, you know what if you dont like your homeland, if you dont want it and want to do something useful with it then we will have it, we will turn it into a prosperous place and give our people the choice to then live there.
Time for a revolution me thinks.
as a regular and loyal DM reader with the intellectual capacity of a parsnip i would like to blame the unemployed for this.
I cry for my country !
If you want an end to this then you have to vote for it, it's no good voting Tory/Labour/LibDem and expecting things to change, they won't. UKIP are the only party offering a way out of this nightmare.
"Where are they going to live???- jj sussex, Horsham,"==== Probably in properties that most of us could only occupy in our wildest dreams. I saw types like this going in and out of places in NW London which must be worth several million each only the other day. Why work and pay off a mortgage when you can live more luxuriously by scrounging?
so what you going to do about this dave
Petition please
Bulgaria and Romania combined cover an area of 134,000 sq miles compared to the UK which has 94,000 sq miles. Romania and Bulgaria combined have a population density of around 200 persons per sq mile compared to the UK which has a population density three times as high of around 660 persons per sq mile. Some projections indicate that the UK population could pass 80 million by 2050, that's around 850 per sq mile, about the same as India today. Realistically, while we remain in the EC, I don't think they can stop it. The Genie is well and truly out of the bottle, so I reckon I'll be off to live in Romania or Bulgaria where there's much more room and, hopefully better summer weather.
Imagine this? Several million immigrants coming over in the space of a few years. Maybe a few Doctors and Nurses, and maybe a few professionals, but otherwise cant see any other immigrants worthy of entrance. On average £20.000 per immigrant in benefits. Do the math and what do you have? Goodbye benefits system, Goodbye NHS, Goodbye UK!
Right let me get this straight, the population of the United Kingdom is just over 63 million. Ethnic minority's are less then 8 million yet because of this it is no longer 'great Britain'!? It is no longer great Britain because there is so many nasty low life people around who couldn't give a damn about education. Just lazy scums who want someone to blame.The majority of these people are white English. Judge people on a individual basis. If I was to export people it would not automatically be immigrants it would be all the horrible vile individuals who don't realise how lucky we are to live in a land of opportunity.
I agree with BRADSTER CARDIFF....We need the tunnel blown up and this government rid off bye bye britain RIP you used to be nice not any more thanks to thatcher blair brown and now cameron thats exactly why we are having our pensions cut pensioners are put on the LCP pay freezes and all the benefit cuts we are getting.ready and making way for our new visitors. i hate this country i was born in look at the state of it because we have to leave the running off it to idiots. vote ukip in fact we need to exit this corrupt EU now not tomorrow Its bringing us down and them idiots in parliament cannot see it or PERHAPS ITS PART OF THEIR PLAN a new job in the EU that governs all us peasants. we need seriously to get rid of them
Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money. Merry Christmas everyone!
I'll be voting Geert Wilders next time.
So why did our young men, put their life, and many lost their's in 1939/45 for this to happen
Good luck with that! Maybe the Idiots who seem to have lost the key to Passport Control can put them all up in their homes. Keep your peckers up Brits - and Merry Christmas to you all.
You don't need to worry about Roma taking jobs off the British. Roma don't work. If they do come here they'll be doing it to exploite the benefits system. They see everybody that's not from their community as a target to be stripped of as many possessions as they can. And they find very clever ways of doing it. If you have any dealings with them, ALWAYS MONEY UP FRONT. Any credit given is money lost.
Give them nothing and close the door. The Governments past and present more concerned with how they come across in the polls. Then giving talks to the yanks or writing their memoirs. UK as i knew as a kid has long gone.
I cannot read the whole article because i'm so angry. These people have paid absolutely nothing into the UK benefit system, yet because my husband works all hours to support his family my child benefit stops next month. I accept that we have a higher than average income and there are many people who need that money more than me, but it absolutely hacks me off when families from overseas get the money when they have not contributed and my husbands slogs away so his tax can pay for other people to sponge off the state. We need to get out of the EU ASAP. Roll on the next generation
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
These people will be able to vote on whether or not Britain stays in the EU. Is that why Cameron is putting it off? He hopes the out voters will be outnumbered.
Well the electorate accepted Labour's mass immigration on the basis of "enriching our society" whats Dave's excuse. Don't forget, at the next election vote for a bowl of tepid rice pudding, you will get more action out of it than the crowd passing the buck and feathering their nests whilst the good ship UK heads for the rocks. (George if you are unable to do anything, at least stop passing off increasing the population as economic growth. Labour did it for years, part of the reason for your problems, or, is it that your friends want low skill cheap labour to exploit.)
Which left wing council will be the first to allow them to bring their horses to their 13th floor flat, in case it infringes their civil liberties.
I wouldnt mind an invite to the UKIP Christmas party , I bet it will be a hoot . The Tories will be busy working out how much they can make out of these New Plebs . Labour will be having secret talks among themselves as to how they can get more people coming in faster ( this wont actually matter as they couldnt organise a bunfight in a bakery ) .The Liberals should retire to the library with a bottle of scotch and a loaded revolver . Of course on present evidence they would drink the scotch shoot themselves in the foot and carry on being poodles .
Our politicians are Eton school boys they wither at the thought of a telling off, how about you just say no to this, how about you kick qatada off Brighton peer and tell him to make his own way home, how about you just cap immigration, how about you cut up the passports of immigrant offenders and send them home, then suffer the minor consequences later.
As a Frenchman, I don't think Britain should be allowed in the EU anymore. Their population can no longer be qualified as "European".
The goverment is totally to blaim, who wouldn't want to live in the U;K when you see the state these people live in. It is disgusting to see how they have to live .Winters down to -30c and they have nothing, so of course they have to steal. All the other countries in the E.U and they only want to go to Enland , that says it all. All the people that work in the U;K and have worked all their lives to see "Gt Britain fall on its knees "People need to make a stand as the goverment are just interested in lining their own pockets as every party always does. Huge bonuses etc and the working people pay for all the others on Benefits.The health system is on its knees. Wake Up before its too late. Bulgaria should look after their own people as Romania should.
Must be nearly time for the British Spring, although in my opinion it should have been at least 15 years ago.
i feel sick
Just great we reduced to a dumping ground of Europe Cameron won't do anything UKIP is the only way to halt and stop the rot
Get out of EU as fast as Britain can before turning this country into crime ridden ghettos and another millions of benefit seekers and cheaters. Only God can save this nation from looming disaster.
Once again it is time to celebrate diversity and multiculturism
Lol, Britain supports the royals and now gypsies...I believe you are the working class...
I'm packing my bags and heading for NZ this year ! I'm not wasting anymore of my hard earned cash supporting the welfare system ! - andy418, Manchester, 24/12/2012 09:48 Then you will become an another immigrant!! Make up your mind!! I'm sure the natives of NZ are sick of immigrants like you stealing their country away from them!!
England needs tighter restrictions like the effort it is to go into Australia, but nope they get let in pretty much willy nilly, but it's not anyones faulty apart from the EU, so it has nothing to do with Conservatives, Lib Dem, Labour etc etc, so no need to blaim them. The only way is to remove ourselfs from the EU then we can have our own laws back.
Yes but just think of all those skills and enterprise they will bring with them --- hopefully outside the Cable household !!!!!
Great more strain on us to provide, already our health care, Doctors, Disability benefitsElderly are being drained and punished with cuts. Our schools are overloaded and our kids are suffereing. I agree the Government needs to be sacked as they are making the wrong choices. My family came to Britain 54 years ago from Northern Cyprus, they worked long hard hours to provide and did nmot ask for any help from the government. This is a disgrace and as a Society we cant keep suffering so others scrounge of the us/ the government. Britmarie
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective. - PETER, LONDON, 24/12/2012 9:41=====You sir,are an idiot.
All thanks to the anti-British cultural marxists in all areas of our establishment who despise our country and it's culture, history , traditions , heritage and way of life. They wish to turn us into a third-world repository for all and sundry.
I am not against immigration as such but there comes a time when one has to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I fear that the riots we saw across the UK a couple of years ago will be nothing compared to the unrest that will ultimately be caused by mass immigration. Sadly people will use this to blame the present government when in fact it has been going on for years before they came into power. At least Cameron has made significant stands to defend British interest within the EU that the political activists here choose to ignore. Rather than dilute our concerns by political ramblings we need to UNITE with a COMMON VOICE that will be clearly heard MO MATTER WHICH POLITICAL PARTY IS IN POWER. Express your concerns NOW to your local MP's before this escalates out of control !
The BNP’s policy is to: - Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally - Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British - Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate - Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases - Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain. Green or red arrow? Green for me.
we full to the brim ,another reason to get out of the EU ,,,this is being done to cause civil unrest which it will so they can bring in marshall law ,if this goes ahead im looking at leaving the UK by 1st jan 2014 if not before ,,,,,police are stretched as it is ,hospitals at breaking point ,housing crissis ,& because their countries leaders are corrupt we have to pay for it ,,,its common sense DC we are full but its Mr R you want to blame DC takes his orders from him,,,time for EU refferendem now not later enough is enough ,why cant we be strict on immergration like OZ ,england will be ruined if we dont put a stop to this ,,,i dont have a problem if lots of jobs & no recession. but to come here just to claim benifits no no no no ,but we have less jobs as it is & we in yet another illegal recession ,,,caused delibratley on the orders of Mr R ,,
I am an Englishman get me out of here....., this country is falling apart if only a minority of another set of Eastern Europeans end up here it is going to put even more strain on a broken welfare state and its benefits. I am fed up working paying my taxes for hoards of Europeans from across the channel to pour across our boarders and claim benefits. For god¿s sake Mr Cameron get it sorted before we end up with protests, riots and possibly worse due to a country that when you walk round its shops, doctors surgeries and hospitals find it hard to hear anything other than African and Eastern European languages, its ridiculous, GET IT SORTED¿..
Ah, the joys and benefits of being in the most corrupt club in the world.
Stick to darts mate.
PROTEST RALLY AT THE COMMONS Why don't we start a massive protest rally like the one before the war with Iraq.......NOT IN MY NAME! etc........ over a million people in London......... Lets give the Police another opportunity to assault the free thinking people of this country....what a mess we're in....Professional Politicians what a bunch of cak.
I't mustn't be allowed to happen, no more to be said.
And they wonder why the country is in the state it is
The Mail's bias against the EU is incredible. There won't be this many immigrants. Don't believe everything you read.
"Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 " @Ashley: Sadly, It is the EU and not our leaders who make the rules now.
I will have a very beautiful Romanian lady cooking my xmas dinner tomorrow. She has a degree in accountancy, speaks 5 languages, has two gorgeous kids aged 7 and 4 who are bi-lingual, and has a good taste in men....she married my son........by the way.....the gypsies are called Roma, and come from all over eastern europe........and....Nu-Liebour built fewer houses per year since the 1930`s, and let in 3 million people.....that is why we have a housing problem.
I coudnt even bear to read the whole articlle. We just dont have the resources for these people. The future here looks bleak and I am seriously worried about Britains future. I'm no racist and I fully understand immigrants wanting to come here for a better life by working hard and acheiving a better stand of living for themsevles. But letting people in to claim benefits is something I cannot understand given that we are all cutting back the state of the National services etc etc etc. I will be voting UKIP and I suggest that anyone concerned by this article does the same,
politicians of all colours (though none suffer from having any integrity nor probity) are salivating at the prospect. Labour politicians see them as voters; conservative politicians see them as people who will enrich our society. Me, I'm a net taxpayer and all I see is a huge increase in our welfare bill and even more decades of less preferential treatment against that offered to incoming foreigners, especially those who come from other EU countries where they have no rights but on arrival here immediately accrue more rights than those owned by the indigencous, taxpaying population.
without a doubt it,s ukip for me,,,this has become so idiotic that there is nothing left to say,,,,,,the government does what it wants ,it makes us think we have say but we have,,nt,,,divide and conquer ,,,,,everything i,ve got i,,ve worked for ,,,,,everything this lot will get will be a result of that,,,,,,,,,,,,it,s not far from the point when we can claim discrimination because we are in the minority,,,,,,,,,,,,,i just hope the decision makers actually come from this country,,,,,but i would,nt bet on it........lib/lab/con............your finished,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2015 cant come fast enough,,,,,,,,,they should just remember too much of anything has the reverse effect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, /
This is the beginning of the end for the UK, this country is being run by EU Regs and most certainly not to the UK Regs. Its time for the govement to stop this kind of crap laws, the EU aren't paying for them to come in. Glad I am where I am
If they are going to work then welcome. If not then get lost
I was born and raised in Hungary. In all of these Eastern European countries, enering the EU has meant that they lost all their economy to British, French and German interests. Supermarket chains the most obvious example. Guys, if you want to rape and pillage the Eastern markets, you gotta give something in return.
Your comments: This article is a joke. There are only 8,000,000 (EIGHT million) Bulgarians in the WHOLE of Bulgaria - that's less people than live in London. The Roma people are a very small minority, of which many are so poor that they would never be able to even think about leaving. Oh and if you all, dear readers, lived in the conditions pictured above, you would want something better wouldn't you?
......... We have the right to settle in their country,,,,,,,, " And claim benefits because of reciprocal agreements . " ........James Mathieson , Oxford , United Kingdom , 23:52 >>>>>>>>We should be able to get reciprocal free medical care while we are abroad in Europe.........Have you ever tried to ..........?
UKIP are the only people who can save this country, they put this country first and its people.
Stopping benefits won't help, we need to close the borders!! They are not qualified workers coming here to work, they are coming for the free benefits, free housing, increased crime, no places in state schools, NHS cannot cope etc. there are already hardly any jobs in the current job market. Can we stop this nonsense before 2014?? there is no way of deporting them once they've settled here.
I dont think it will just be benefits it will be healthcare, education for free too. also I have a feeling a lot of crime wil happen aswell. im 17 and now I have read this I am very worried about my future. I doubt I will be able to afford to move to another country
By the time we get a referendum there will be so many foreigners voting to stay in that the British voters will be outnumbered.
And what is Mr Flip Flop Cameron going to do about it? Talk tough and act weak. Par for the course.
Nail in the coffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I promise you, after you see these scroungers come over here and fleece the system, you'll wonder why you ever moaned about the Poles
There is no such thing as a poor country, only poor people, a country is a line on a map. Bulgaria is poor because Bulgarians live there. I hope to god the BNP's replacement gets on it's feet in good time to welcome the hundeds of thousands of English people who will be completely outraged and incredulous about htis.
Tony Blair's dream of stuffing the UK will now come true , but where does he think his children and their children will live ?
Thanks a lot Camerliar. The British taxpayer can hardly wait for your caring PMs to give OUR money away in aid and OUR country away to these unwanted immigrants.Have YOU ever had one consideration about the British people or is it just the EU gravy train that you want to stay on. Give us our promised EU referendem because this will not end well for the Tory party.
why are people arriving univited entitled to benefits and housing - I was told a number of years ago that I would have to be evicted and wait, with my young daughter, in a b& b maybe for up to 2 years before being given a place. I was working full time and supporting myself and my daughter. Luckily, I managed to buy a house and am still working. No contribution, no housing, no benefits and they would stop coming. Better still exit the EU now. I never buy the Big Issue and certainly not from the the Roma sellers - they all have expensive mobile phones and approach with a whining tone reminiscent of beggars in India. Shut the borders and look after our own people first. It shouldn't be that difficult.
Look at the state those kids live in at the moment. They are all welcome in Wales. Even though its not much better than what they have now after de-industrialisation. We even have European priority one funding in some places just like Romainia! I may even move there!
Thanks Tony. The seeds were sown 1997-2007. This is just natural growth about which Dave can do nowt, save a referendum two years ago would have given him the authority to at least try to plug it. But even this article extols the virtues of immigration such is the fear of being accused of racism. What on earth has happened to good sense. AND don't just blame the politicians. Question Time on BBC two weeks ago with that man Self - and the entire audience applauded how good open doors immigration is to make us a more wholesome country.
DON'T PANIC. This is an irresponsible story and sensational "headline grabber" as any sensible person will realise. This will never happen so don't worry and have a happy new year
surely we must be able to stop this madness what is Cameron doing about it plus its labours fault in the first place so whats Millipede doing about it , am sure we all love our contry and we dont want these people in at all....
If the government doesn't do something about this then there will be assassinations and terrorism - politicians are ignoring the people and that is dangerous.
I rarely see such outrageously wrong and deceitful article. First of all 29 million is the total population of Romania and Bulgaria combined, which means that dailymail expect 100% of the both countries population to move to the UK? Second of all, they are talking about a neighborhood in Sofia and not a city. So there ain´t any bad cities in the UK? Third of all, the % of population that are living in poverty in Bulgaria is below 7%. Total population of Bulgaria is 7 500 000 million people, so the number of people mentioned in the article is 560 000. So you are telling me that all 560 000 will move to Britain. Well that doesn´t sound right? What is this propaganda? The problem is not in Bulgarians and Romanians believe me. I pay my taxes and I work fair, at not in the car washing industry. I really hate seeing people manipulated by the media.
I know a few bulgarians they are honest polite and very hard working they put a lot of britts to shame ..
Come on CAMERON sort it out this is DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean they are ALL coming here ? That will leave both countries uninhabited. Now there's an opportunity for we enterprising Brits - as long as we can leave Westminster behind. On second thoughts, the Bulgarians and Romanians will all want to go back home in a couple of years, so we'll gain nothing.
How can this be happening? We have enough people to support on benefits as it is with out these people taking refuge and taking our money. Cannot get my head around why they're being let here and having money thrown at them. Money that we do not have to throw at them! We've got our own problems to fix.
My hard earned wage is not going towards paying for these people to scrounge off us in the UK. - Celia, South East, 24/12/2012 09:42 I'm afraid this is exactly what's going to happen :(
There is an expresion better the devil you know people who complain about our travellers are in for a big shock!!
and that is our problem because?
GOOD GOD, CAMERON...WAKE UP!!!
This was always part of the plan for the new world order by the Rothchilde's Banking Cartel, to flood all border's with imigrant's to lessen the nationalism within and since all politician's are seduced by money and power they will never go against the grain , and if they do the banker's will fianance their opposite number's or even have them assasinated, This new world order is well under way. Next thye will takeover the earth's resorces ie middle east ect and russia they will wage a war against china and as a result depopulate on a massive scale .This is what is realy happening before you all but your mind's cant take it in.wake up.
I'm starting to think that UKIP have what it takes to run this country
These people are not going to France or Germany! How many of people can speak the language any way? This country will sleep-walk into a disaster!
Such a racist article and very misleading! That bulgarian gipsy said that in UK he will be treated like a normal person, but this article proves the opposite and more. English people all make snap judgements and generalize thinking countries like Romania are filled with gipsy`s and crime spree based on stupid articles like this and that stupid video you posted (ho directed it by the way ? Spielberg?). The reality in this countries is soo much different from the one you offen present in your articles, and the things showned in that video are not nearly true. I rather live in most of Romania`s cities wich are more cleaner and the crime spree is way less than in a jungle of a city like London, with wich you are all soo proud off. None the less there is some truth in your article, butt show the truth as it is and do not mislead you`re readers,because if i wore to make a generalization like you, after reading this article i could easily say that english people are ignorant,stupid and racist
Enough is enough, this is Britain for gods sake! I've had it with us being overrun by foreigners - Whosaidthat, Big wide world, 24/12/2012 1:20 ---- The UK has invaded other countries for centuries. Just look at what you did to Ireland. This is karma.
If your headline prediction is true, what is Dave and his merry bunch going to do about it............................ Cos you won't be able to blame Labour for this episode........................... ................................
It makes me sick to see how on Christmas Eve you put on the first page an article like this. I am a Romanian citizen, I live in London for more than 2 years and I pay my taxes, I pay rent like any British citizen and I didn¿t work one day until I didn¿t get my work permit. Why don¿t you write about how many people came from Eastern Europe and that they are working hard?!?!? Or about how many British people live on benefits because they don¿t want to work?!?!? Don¿t try to find excuses in other places! I wish you all Happy Holidays and a better 2013! Sorin
Come on CAMERON sort it out this is DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our government needs this, our government needs that for this travesty seems to be the cry in many of these posts... but let's take a good look at why this is happening: because fools who love things for free kept signing up the traitorous party Labour to ever more closer federalism with the eu.. even so much as to skulk away and quietly sign the eu constitution that was renamed the Lisbon treaty. Blame labour - they are the most despicable two-faced party in politics!
No, no, no! Stop it! We are a tiny island with quite enough people of our own and not enough money, jobs or land. I have nothing against anyone but I would not dream of moving on mass to another country and demanding benefits or working and sending money out of the country. It should be a condition of joining the EU that you sort your own country out first, so nobody feels the need to go else where to achieve a good standard of living. I'm sorry but if this continues unchecked I shall have to move away from our country as this is not how I wish my children to grow up.
The French - who are up the EU's backside and have the cheek to lecture us on making our minds up about the EU - deported many romas gypsies when it was clear they were only there to cause problems. They did this against EU and Strasbourg Law - why cant we do this! or just not let them regardless of what the EU say. Bulgaria and Romania are nothing but a corrupt hindrance on the rest of the EU, and should have never been allowed in the EU in the first place. The lefty idiots that were so obsessed with them gaining early entry can go and pay for their upkeep - these people were to arrogant to visit these countries to see how these people have to live and what they have to offer before they invited them in.
After all, it's, in some way, Churchill's fault, that the West abandoned the east european countries after WWII. All the misery these people live in, could've been saved. There was no Marshall Plan for them. They were just given to the USSR as a present. It's not only their fault, that they are Europe's poorest, so what is happening now is in some way logical.
It's a disgrace and I see it already, already arriving. Near where I live in London, neasden, I have seen countless Romanian coach/vans and cars all full of people clearly starting a new life (not tourists). Sadly I have to say 90% of what I have seen are gypsies and this is a week before its official. Disgusting
Everyone else gets help but the good, hard working, tax paying, non-benefit cheating BRITISH!! UKIP all the way!!
This has not got to happen,It must be stopped before it's too late.So now is the time for a referendum Dave. We need to leave Europe ASAP and make bigger ties to our Commonwealth countries. Failing this best vote for UKIP next time around.
It's a Police Service (not Force) that are too PC to deal with this...just as well squatting has been made illegal! They cannot be bothered ...too busy trying to angle themselves politically.
Get us out of the EU now! Enough is enough.
What a brilliant idea! We can't afford to look after all the brave souls who fought to keep this country safe in 2 world wars, yet we offer a comfortable existence to hordes of foreigners! There is going to be big trouble in this land of ours shortly. Listen to the Billie Holiday song 'Strange Fruit'. Believe me it will happen here!!!!!
I know little about either Rumania or Bulgaria so wonder why these countries are so poor? Is their climate so bad that they cannot produce crops, have they no mineral, oil or gas wealth or are their countries so badly managed by successive Governments? Maybe the Mail could have given us a clue rather than just telling us how poor people are.
Blatant scaremongering!
We do not have to accept this and that is the truth. The Government can veto this if they want to but they don,t want to its all a charade. Say goodbye to your pension and health care, wave goodbye to your children's education in fact wave goodbye to your children's future. We are bankrupt as a nation and have been politically bankrupt for over 20 years. I see no future in accepting this, I see no sense in accepting this. And the joke of a Tory party have the balls to say they are going to go with an anti Europe stance at the next polls. Get real for Gods sake because it appears he will be the only one to help us
As a foreigner myself i think this is a joke!!! Enough is enough.... I have paid taxes for the last 15 years,and someone will come and get it next year without any contribution to uk whatsoever...
I think I'll move to Britain so I can live for free too!
Correctly was to write Gypsies from Romania - Romanian nation has nothing to do with gypsies. Gypsies came in Europa from Punjab-India 700 years ago. Romanians today , are the ancient getic- dacians , thousands of years older. The name of my country is - DACIA - uninspired modified-in - Romania, March 3, 1876 - for Political Reasons -   Gypsy problem?? = Human rights .. get them and live near them. And you see how it is.
OUT OF THE EU NOW,DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN TORY BOYS
Great we are the minority more and more and I don't mean that in a racist way, they need to STOP THIS NOW !!!
You British colonised vast areas of the world, and many countries are populated with your descendants eg: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, South Africa etc. So stop complaining when you have the same happen to. If you don't like it move to another country.
Lock your doors and hide your daughters, I am off to Tenerife in a few years, would sooner deal with the unemployment and Cockroaches than this crap!
I don't like to see anyone living like these people do, but having them flood Britain is not going to solve anything. Britain's benefits system will break under the strain, then nobody will get anything. Also, our Polce forces and NHS will struggle to stem the rising tide of crime and the massive increase in demand for medical services. Social services will be swamped with child victims of human trafficking and all this at a time when budgets at already being cut to the bone. If any one group of individuals knows how to wreck this country for good, it is our overpaid and reckless government, who are playing Russian Roulette with our economic future. Those relying on benefits beware because the benefits system is in its dying throes. Welcome to Britain!
Oh bloody whoopee !!!............I give up with this totally useless bunch of idiots we have in government, I really do !!
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
I do wish the governments would sort their countries, with the way the floods are going in England halve of England could be under water in a year`s time and we will not have the space for foreigners to settle or the resources, houses have already been built on flood plains and are being flooded to support extra people, foreigners could be in for a nasty shock. they might not get what they expected.
So glad I left the UK !
For goodness sake STOP THIS HAPPENING. Ask your MP to do something, write to PM Cameron, You will not know what has hit you when they arrive. Lets not accommodate any of them in any way EU IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE.
Get out of the bloody useless Europe - they will ruin people lives and bankrupt this country!! Shames on ya useless labour for allowing to let Europe control us in the 1990s
another cheery (read fearful) DM headline. you do excell yourselves DM. Do you save these non-stories up? hope you pull out all the stops for Christmas Day itself lol. happy Christmas everyone!
I rarely see such outrageously wrong and deceitful article. First of all 29 million is the total population of Romania and Bulgaria combined, which means that dailymail expect 100% of the both countries population to move to the UK? Second of all, they are talking about a neighborhood in Sofia and not a city. So there ain´t any bad cities in the UK? Third of all, the % of population that are living in poverty in Bulgaria is below 7%. Total population of Bulgaria is 7 500 000 million people, so the number of people mentioned in the article is 560 000. So you are telling me that all 560 000 will move to Britain. Well that doesn´t sound right? What is this propaganda? The problem is not in Bulgarians and Romanians believe me. I pay my taxes and I work fair, at not in the car washing industry. I really hate seeing people manipulated by the media.
Whats Gary Neville doing 11th picture down?
Well at least I think the Goths who helped defeat the Romans and retired to northern Bulgaria are just the kind of stock that the UK needs.
Millions more Labour voters on the way. Great news for Ed Miliband and the benefits culture!
Not counting those already here. Will we see them sleeping out on the street with their families, before concreting over the green belt to house them.
Tony Blair's dream of stuffing the UK will now come true , but where does he think his children and their children will live ?
Whoopie.. More people to wash my car :)
Interesting number - 29 million, Sue Reid (the author of this article) !!! That is the population of both countries (Bulgaria & Romania) combined probably - the population of Bulgaria is approximately 7m. The gipsies you are talking about are some number of this 7m. And Fakulteta is a gipsies' ghetto but not a town in Bulgaria. You cannot identfy Bulgaria with this ghetto. Your article contains inaccuracies and it is just an one-sided story. As a Bulgarian I feel offended to read this article and some of the comments below.
Right thats me done with this country, i'm counting down the days i get on the plane and leave. Thanks to all in power that ran the country into the ground all in the name of Human Rights. In a few years time our country will look like a war zone. Well done to all that made this happen I hope you are proud of the country you ruined. its a real shame as it was once lovely.
HAHAHA!!! The end of the empire of the rotten teeth. Maybe a new pool of genes will help to change forever that ugly English rounded face. Look at the invasors at Malvinas ( NOT Falklands) and Gibraltar before complaining.
@ Les, Perth, WA: I lived in Perth between 2003 & 2008 and I'm sure that I had an argument with you then via the West Australian newspaper. It was relating to the evacuation of Lebanese during the 2006 conflict with Israel. I suggested that desperate peop
We are a rich country and should open our doors to give these poor people a better life. I for one feel richer for sharing my culture with other nations, just think how these wonderful people can enrich out own way of life.
I'm sorry, but we're full up,..our benefits are for British people who put money in the kitty and contributed to what we have that makes life a little easier here, and can receive benefits, other countries must sort out their own problems, and not merely emigrate here and cause problems by queue jumping housing, education , health and financial benefits.
In theory the 'freedom of movement' idea for Europeans sounds okay. Trouble is they all want to move here. How many British people do you know clamouring to move to Bulgaria, Romania et al?
The British government need to get us out of the EU NOW; it's time for a referendum, time to let the BRITISH people decide. Enough is enough.
This story would be funny if there weren't enough dm idiots who will believe it!
NO MORE, we need to get out of the E.U. listen carefully VOTE UKIP.....and all you do gooders can shut your mouths right up !!
most of those pictures look like Basildon !!, or if not Basildon,,, Thamesmead .....and you can see most of those people in any Iceland or Lidl ..............
shakespear said that england is a precious stone set in the silver sea. if he was alive today he would say england is an overcrowded cesspit and dumping ground for europes undesirables.....
"Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective." - PETER, LONDON, 24/12/2012 11:41 WELL SAID PETER!!!!!! Finally one sane person
Instead of turning the UK into the same kind of slums they currently live in why don't they get together and build themselves a better way of living where they are. please note you lot, the UK can't afford to keep half their own people in a decent life let alone you lot on top!
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP - NOW!
I can't believe how stupid, paranoid and xenophobic the Brits are?! Can't imagine you really buy the crap this toilet paper magazine is selling to you :)) Do you really think 29 million people are going to invade you?! If you think so you have mental problems. British press is trash! Is using only stereotypes about Eastern Europe....
they look like lovely people with high moral values and a strong work ethic.
Ah! But it was the Goths that broke the last fortresses of Rome and we await the arrival of the Gothsm ight be just what we need
And Cameron will let it happen JUST like the other load of rubbish he lets in.------ Soon this will NOT be called England it will be some other named country as there will NOT be ANY English people here .--- BUT Cameron will love it as he will get MORE votes because he Gives them ALL they want at the expence of us
Let them come but first they must pass the English language test, and NO social services untill five years of benifits have been contributed.........AB
Britain is going to turn into a cesspit,thanks to labour for opening the flood gates,just because they wanted to stay in power, and now conservatives haven`t got the balls to stop it,and they could do it,if Italy and France can do it then Britain can.Or is the government going to wait,while we go the same way as Greece,and everybody turns on each other,
I'm not paying tax for this anymore!
Primary schools will be swamped.
Plenty of room. What's all the fuss about? It's not as if we don't have enough room on the Tube, on the trains, on the roads, in the doctors' surgeries, in the schools, in the hospitals. I say, the more the merrier, and New Labour should be applauded for setting the ball rolling.
This is irresponsible journalism. Most of the people there probably won't know about the changing laws and may decide to go to another EU Member State - Britain is not the only option. In fact, Britain would be a poor option to be honest as the likelihood of social mobility is very low and the quality of life ranks very poorly too. I would suggest journalists grow up and show a little more respect for humanity.
Having looked at most of the comments, everything has been said, the British have given their opinion. If we don't come out of the EU and stop this madness many of us will vote UKIP, some will even vote BNP. I work at an establishment where 70% of the cleaners are Polish, yet many ethnic Brits who are unemployed would dearly love those jobs. It is also very noticeable that lots of Eastern Europeans are doing ancillary jobs in other places. We don't need them, so why let people into the country to do jobs that we already have too many people for?
What a hateful gullible bunch we really are. DM makes me ashamed to be English. I feel sorry for people that believe this mulch. It's like village of the damned in here. "Forget facts, I'm going to use tabloids as my source of information", that's clever isn't it. Because that's what we do when our lives are rubbish, we point the finger instead of looking at ourselves. So go ahead and prove my point, red arrow away like it's my fault that you're useless.
WILL WE PUT UP WITH IT,OF COURSE WE WILL UNTILL THE BRAINS OF THE OUTFIT REALISE THE COUNTRY IS FULL NOTHING WILL BE DONE.
I feel terrible looking at the way these people live but welcoming them into the UK isn't a sustainable solution. It will cause an increase in racial prejudice as a result of Britons being able to get less support from the British government. Looking back on history this could mean an extremist party (more extreme than UKIP - like the BNP) getting into power with devastating results. Also the UK doesn't have the wealth or resources to sustain that many lives.
I am not white but I was born here as are so many people from different ethnicities. My family have never claimed benefits, we've all been to uni AND didn't live off government benefits whislt there. We've all got good jobs and pay a hell of a lot of tax for this country. I love this country and the people in it. I feel the future is frightening for people like me. Things like this will fuel extremist views and cause an increased level of hatred towards people of a different ethnicity :( it's so scary and unfair when we work so hard for this country too. I too do not want my hard earned taxes to be scrounged away.
We need UKIP now ! If we want to save our Country we need to get out of the EU NOW ! NOT LATER !!!
UKIP WANT TO INCREASE IMMIGRATION FROM NON EU COUNTRIES BUT LESS FROM EU i would prefer eu myself
Fight --Fight --Fight--stop even just one of them coming to OUR Britain---They are definitely NOT WANTED
Time to start an English rebellion. Let take some lessons from the Aussie Boarder Control and REGAIN OUR Country...
I'm a foreigner living here in the UK and I will be voting for UKIP in the next election. I feel it is my duty to do so because nothing makes me angrier than seeing the native Brit being shafted by it's own government. It's one thing letting in people who can contribute meaningfully to the economy, preferably via a points system, but quite another when no hopers are trying to get in simply so they can claim welfare.
Let them come and let's welcome their contribution to our multicultural society. I think we should cut red tape like border controls. The shortage of homes can be solved by the abolition of all planning controls, just like Romania and Bulgaria.Any benefits can be paid for by printing the extra money.
You are so going to regret this Cameron. UKIP IN YOU OUT>
Cut the BENEFITS ..... if they cant claim it they will not come !!!!!! ......... and btw DM the population of Romania is 19 042 936 and Bulgaria is 7 364 570 , thats 26 407 506 so where did you get the 29m ?
Get out of the bloody useless Europe - they will bankrupt us!!!
Give us a referendum Mr Cameron and GET US OUT OF EUROPE!!!!!!!! How dare these people have RIGHTS to claim OUR benefits which many of us have paid into all of our working lives - it's no wonder our NHS system is suffering & we have to work longer to claim our pensions!! If they are allowed into our country, they should have to pay into the system for a MINIMUM of 5 years before they can get any handouts! I'M APPALLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he is self employed.. Why are we paying £275 a month for his flat?.
The solution is simple: Grant the right to benefits to the UK citizens ONLY. Or give them the benefits they are entitled in their home Countries. In case of Poland - that would be £92 monthly for 6 months max. And then - send a bill to Poland. Strict control on the borders is ineffective. The root of the problem lays not on the county's border but in the insanely generous welfare system. I am Polish. I arrived in the UK in 2004. I was shocked by the mad and unjust rules regarding benefits, Let's consider a British person - he paid the taxes in this Country all his life. And his father. And his grandfather too. And there I am - an newcomer. With exactly the same rights. This is just not fair! To answer your questions: No. I am not a British citizen yet. And no - I have never took a penny of your public money. I don't care what your law say about it - I think this is not my money to take, and I don't take what is not mine.
This country is getting ridiculous... I'm 25 with a good degree and nearly 4 years marketing experience... Couple more years experience and I'm gone!
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. - kaza , nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:36=========I'm in a similar position; paid taxes for over twenty years, and I still have to pay full council tax!
Dont worry folks,our nice Mr Camoron will ask his bosses in the EU if they will help out.He`s always sure he can negotiate with them for a better deal because we "are within the inner circle and not isolated",ha ha.
No one wants this - so why the hell won't the government stop it. This could destroy Britain as we know it! We must fight this before its too late!!
thankyou cameron you have lost my vote.
Yeah, thanks for this legacy Tony Blair. I'm sure you'll be fine in your ivory tower, the rest of the people you lied to will have their lives ruined if this goes ahead.
Fakulteta is not Bulgaria! British media should stop speculating with the fears of immigration from Bulgaria and Romania, although there are a few people who would like to exploit the system, most of us who are already in the UK work and pay taxes just like anybody else.
You voted against proportional representation- which means you exclusively want labour or conservative government I.e. no ukip. Sorry, but you made your choice - you pay the price.
@ Celia , South East, 24/12/2012 09:42 "We need to act now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Celia, I think you'll find you've used 36 exclamation marks. This is a common faux pas. When posting mindless reactionary responses to rabidly racist Daily Mai
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm............. Answer......... "OOH YES WE DO! (as we are entering the Panto time of the year) Problem these so called highly qualified are stoping our Highly Qualified people getting work and ending up at McDonalds or poor paid jobs. FACTs you cannot get away from it...... The Uk people are getting more and more angry at the amount of Freeloaders we are getting. If the Govenrment do not stop this nonsence then the Far Right will gain the hold in the UK... and that is something that we do not want..
l bet the governments of these countries will encourage all their undesirables to go to Britian so they are no longer a drain on them
it was interesting to read the sentence where in britain `everyone is treated fairly`. what a sick joke. mind you, it is a truism that they will be treated BETTER than the indigenous people of this once proud land.
Can Britain really afford them?
That will increase the population by a third - benefits paid out by an unthinkable amount, just what is the EU and our Govt going to do? If they don't stop this in its tracks there will be worse than anarchy, and our country will look similar to the one pictured above - June, Canvey Essex, 24/12/2012 09:43 Parts of Crays Hill already do look like this June!
Only blood sucking scum want them here. They are either the well off wanting them to work cheaply as cleaners, hotel or factory workers on the minimum wage or less if they can get away with it as many gang masters do. And then there are those that want to employ them in the trades to drive down the wages and are happy to accept shoddy and often dangerous work in return. These people will often claim that they, the foreign worker, work harder or do a better job, it is a downright lie to excuse their greed. Then of course there are those that have spent their lives on benefits who see no problem with anyone arriving here living for free as they do at the expense of the hard working tax payer.
And there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about it! And still people vote for the same Scum!
People, especially poor ones, will always try to improve their lot. In looking to com to GB, one can hardly blame them. The people to blame are the politicians financed by powerful global institutions. Such vested interests get to prosper further from such policies. More people jamming into GB, means more pressure on energy resources, housing, jobs, etc. This means higher prices for us, but usually lower wages. The big globals see their profits increase further.
moan all you want but eastern europeans arent going anywhere haha
This country makes me sick. Corrupt MPs running our country. What do we expect. We should do something about it though before its too late. Huge march to Downing Street !!!
What with this "flood" and the other floods. People being left to die of starvation in their own excrement whilst in hospital. Corrupt police and policticians. Sickness pay outs for fat, or drug addicted, or alcoholics. Homeless British families at Christmas. Retail outlets closing. Can all the hype and pride of Britians Jubilee and Olympic year all have been a dream? I seriously worry about my childrens future on this small island. If I could I think I would get out now.
The problem is we British too polite to object or protest unlike for ie, our French, spanish neighbours etc. - Lowen , Manchester ~~~~But also the insidious & furtive 'political correctness' has been employed by the authorities to make people reluctant to express their views for fear of being branded a racist. This sinister means of restricting freedom of thought is similar to the methods used by the Nazis in 1930s Germany. The government will let people flood in, & then they'll use their failed & totally discredited 'diversity' policies to force the indigenous population to accept it whilst using political correctness to control any vocal resistance. We cannot let this happen, so whilst up to now I've not been convinced by UKIP's economic arguments for pulling out of the EC I'll now vote for them in the hope that they'll oppose this disastrous immigration. And if UKIP can't provide a solution I will vote BNP ... & the blame for that will lie with the government.
Bulgaria has a total population of under 7 million, Romania has around 19 million. So my question is - am I also coming to Britain to make your stupid headline almost valid? Even if I did and all of the other Bulgarians did, and then all the Romanians all magically decide to invade you, you would still need around 3 million ppl for this sensational piece of "journalism" to be accurate. Jeez! Also, I hate to break this to you, but Bulgaria is over 13 centuries old, during all of them we have never been Gypsies. Bulgarians are not Gypsies, some Gypsies live in Bulgaria. I can give you another example - you are not journalists, people get confused because you`re supposed to be, since you work in a newspaper and stuff...
Great!! More tenants for us landlords :~D - James, London, 24/12/2012 1:13 You fool, sacrificing the British Way of life for the silver coins. May they be a plague on your houses.
The most ill-informed, badly written, xenophobic and scaremongering article I have ever read on this website. Anyone with any sense can see the giant holes in this piece of 'journalism' a mile off. Do people actually think that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians are going to come and settle in the UK in 2014 and that the government will immediately give them benefits to live on??? It doesn't work like that!!!
There simply should be a need for you or your parents to have paid income tax to a certain threshold before you are allowed to claim any ! Form of Benefit .Other than that You can enter the UK if you can prove you have employment for 12 months .Thats it no other entry or payment criteria other than as a tourist .
The solution is simple: Grant the right to benefits to the UK citizens ONLY. Or give them the benefits they are entitled in their home Countries. In case of Poland - that would be £92 monthly for 6 months max. And then - send a bill to Poland. Strict control on the borders is ineffective. The root of the problem lays not on the county's border but in the insanely generous welfare system. I am Polish. I arrived in the UK in 2004. I was shocked by the mad and unjust rules regarding benefits, Let's consider a British person - he paid the taxes in this Country all his life. And his father. And his grandfather too. And there I am - the newcomer. With exactly the same rights as he. This is just not fair! To answer your questions: No. I am not a British citizen yet. And no - I have never took a penny of your public money. I don't care what your law say about it - I think this is not my money to take, and I don't take what is not mine.
This is absolute proof that our treacherous politicians have been engineering a Civil War from the very beginning. After World War Two, there was no way they could divide us, having just defeated the Nazi Menace, now it has arisen once more in the form of the EU Menace, {same backers} The British People need to very quickly remove these Traitors from Public Office and Dump the EU straight away!
I can't take anymore!!! I work so hard, I feel like crying and pay a ridiculous amount of tax. Even though I hate paying so much I'd prefer it to be spent making this country better instead of using it to pay for people who come scrounging. Why should people like me have to pay for someone else and then be hit with a double whammy of raising the cost of everything in this country. I really cannot take anymore!! Why can't we be like Australia and America?!
Every British person has a duty to vote UKIP, get us out of europe and recover OUR country. We can't afford to look after our elderly, maintain our roads, run our hospitals efficiently yet they'll spend all our money on housing and supporting these people. SCANDALOUS!!!!
time to bail!
VOTE UKIP! We need to get OUR Britain back, our government is a complete useless SHAM!!
Still the complaints roll in about how the politicians are letting down the country and its population, AND YET YOU WILL ALL VOTE THEM IN AGAIN NEXT TIME.Please put up or shut up; YOU put them in power, just as you do each General Election and bye-Election. don't vote or shut up. When voting you know from experience you are electing a load of rubbish who will not honour their promises, will continue to sup at the trough, and will continue to refer to themselves as Honourable!!! (what a joke that is). Bobby, Leicester
They should be sent to Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy and Greece. See if they get any handouts and free housing there.
It's not just Britain... Loads of people are moving to other European countries as well with at least equally good benefits to be claimed.
how many times have we seen these examples???basically....nobody does nothing.. this story will be forgotten in a couple of days.....replaced probably by,another woman with 14 kids...
I am British. Born and bred. But moved to Cyprus to get away from the UK with it going to pot as it is. I cannot contradict myself and disagree with people moving to the UK. However, unless they intend to pay their own way by working and providing for themselves then no, I do not think they should be allowed to come and in automatically receive benefits and free housing. What a joke!!!!!!!!!
This has to stop. What does the future hold for my children?
So many eastern European are coming who has no right for this country. They had done nothing for this country, But GURKHA....? they have given their lives generations to generations for more than 200 years. They were the important people during the WWI, WWII, and hundred of thousand scarifies their life for this country. And now look at the situation, the government is refusing to provide resident permit to GURKHA family without any discrimination, and even some ministers are blaming to gurkha family. It's very shameful ...
"why don't you all protest"..............You are absolutely right, but it seems that the indigenous population, those who are left, no longer have pride in England as a Nation. The ordinary citizen is powerless to stop this relentless march of immigration. At election time, politicians say one thing and then do as they please once elected. We have become a lazy society, watching TV and many feeding off welfare benefits, with no initiative, knowing that the government will support them without too many questions asked. Just imagine what the demographic make up of this country will look like in 25 years time.
Stop blaming Cameron, this was all signed by the last government...we can't get out of it...You lefty lot have a lot to answer for..you come on here hating johny foreigner and blaming tories but it was you who voted for mass immigration by voting New Labour with Tony Blair...I'm glad they all settle in the Labour heartlands and annoy you...might make you think next time you vote!!
No, PLEASE NO!
Don't moan about it, just don't vote Con, Lab, Lib, all conspire to be deeper in the EU, vote UKIP, they are the only ones who will deal with this and the many other EU problems. In the next European Elections send a clear message to the three main parties.
So not only will they require benefits, housing and NHS treatment, they will also be using Social Services, already overstretched, resources to care for the child pickpockets, sex slaves etc that are taken into care. But Camerons too busy worrying about gay marriage to turn his attention to whats really important.
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective. - PETER , LONDON, 24/12/2012 09:41===== whats it like to be so bitter and want to destroy the nation you claim to live in
VOTE UKIP PEOPLE!!!!
I don't agree entirely with the article, I'm Bulgarian and it's true that we have prejudice to gypsies, but great number of them steal, kill and rape. This is the harsh reality in Bulgaria. We're not racists, we just try to protect ourselves. Gypsies get more benefits than any other bulgarian, because they have 10, 13 or even 15 children. They don't pay their bills and refuse to work and study. And then they go to Britain, France and Italy and harass population there just like they do here. There are very nice and hardworking people who live in Britain and do the jobs that the other british citizens won't do. I respect DailyMail, but the article represents just one side of the story. Find the nice bulgarians who work in Britain and see the difference. I hope I won't offend anybody with my opinion.
ahh so that is why they are throwing the sick off benefits and stopping people get jsa so that they can give to everyone else well thats ok then , however if this continues i think we will be having riots in the streets, we must stop now , it seems to me other countries are not getting as many in their countries as i think they ignore the eu so that is what we should do , and it is not just labour to blame as all politicians welconed this especially as it is the tories who tooks us in europe and tory bosses love immigrants because they can control them , pay them less and are not bothered about anything else as the tax payer picks up the pieces
Yeh no problem,we will of course have to build more houses to accomadate them but there is land on Dartmoor,Lake District and other national parks and if this country turns into 1 great concrete jungle perhaps the politicians who allowed this to happen will be pleased with theirselves.
Good luck to them.
Britian is one of the richest countries in the world. they can afford an unelected rich taxpayer funded royal family, war in Afghanistan, Nuclear subs and House of Lords.
If I lived in an awful poverty stricken country where there's no hope I'd do exactly the same, which is what our ancestors did many years ago. They came from far away lands in search of a better life - hence we are fortunate enough to live in Britain. Who can blame these people? Also, if it wasn't for immigrant labour, we wouldn't be the country we are today. But don't let those facts get in the way of a good rant. Merry Christmas everyone!
I stayed in London last weekend and in all the shops, restaurants, underground stations etc. we visited, not ONE British person served us however, they were ALL, without exception, extremely polite and efficient. That said, we really must do something to secure better boarder controls because the time will come were there just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone. Our benefit state needs tightening up....badly.
There are estimated to be about 6m Brits living and working worldwide. What are we going to do with them if other countries decide to repatriate them? Will they be willing to do the dirty and unpleasant jobs currently done by foreigners? Incidentally, both the French and Germans take more of these immigrants than Britain does.
The article is not objective and is quite biased. ¿ajority of Roma in Bulgaria are not accustomed to work and rely on aid from state. "It may not be enough, so obviously we would claim state help for our child and any others who come along. I know quite a lot about your country ¿ you have a Queen and a famous football team: Manchester United. And I know you would look after us." ¿hey want someone to take care of them? What about ordinary Bulgarian worker and tax payer, who will take care of him? I am 33 years old Bulgarian, work hard and pay my taxes, from these taxes state pay aid for Gypsies. I am healthy and working, thanks God, and I do not want the state to take care of me. "Not far away in the gipsy town live 25-year-old Tsvetan Dimitrov, his 19-year-old wife, Dessislava.........They met at 13, married in a gipsy ceremony, and neither has ever worked." Six years and none of them worked?
This makes me so sad:( if this is true then in a year I will be an ex-pat!!
Time we Brits left Britain then, can't see ANY joy in staying here. How long before shortages occur pushing prices even higher. We must be idiots to just let this happen, the NHS is struggling now, I dread to think what will happen when even more spongers come in. We are taking benefits away from good people and giving them to people who have never put a penny into this country. It's time we put our own first.
Well that's all we need 'innit'???? No wonder everyone's getting angry. Then if we dare say anything we're called 'racists'. I'm working on my 'escape' from this no longer Great country... I wonder if Iceland is going to join EU in 2014? I think the people there will be sensible enough to vote NO!!
This is entirely the fault of Blair, Brown, Straw, Blunkett, Harman and the rest of the Labour motley crew in power between 1997 and 2010 and their policy of unfettered immigration from anywhere, plus, having to bow to the wishes of the bureaucratic bumblers in the EU Commission in Brussels and the farcical policy of no border controls and their insistence on free social welfare handout payments. I wonder how long before the indigenous population, the English, the Scots and teh Welsh wake up smell the coffee and decide to do something about this farcical situation?
By way of balance... Whilst travelling in Bulgaria, I was caught in heavy rain, with nowhere to stay. The local gypsies took me in, gave me a bed and shared what little food and coffee they had with me. With no common language, we spent hours talking with gestures, drawings and our few shared words of Russian. These people experience the worst forms of racism in their own country, but their hospitality was impeccable. The experience was magical, and humbling.
No we are full!!!
This will be the excuse that the government needs to stop benefits altogether. No one will get the including the British and we'll all end up homeless and starving ...even the people in low paid jobs who claim tax credits.
Well, so much to say. Okay, if anyone wants to come to get a genuine job, fine, but to come here because its easier, to get handouts, live off the state? Lazy, and its unbelievable how people think these days. Have these people actively taken up to rebuild their community, regardless of the oppression they face? Have those people done anything to help the situation, and improve their living standards? Its irritating how people rely upon others for everything these days. Our government does not help, their government does not help, and of course the EU does not help. A collective effort is needed, here and abroad. If people want to live better, if not, the whole will be a slum, with pockets of wealthy areas dotted around, no one will have anywhere to go then.
This reveals the REAL agenda of the political class - Lib/Lab/Con in the UK and the rats in Brussels (SSM & other issues are just to keep us diverted). Their master plan is to destroy British and all other national identities as part of the softening-up for OWG. Tell everyone you know to wake up to this reality and protest in every possible way. Support Ukip.
Frightened, worried. ? You should be. The United Kingdom has already changed beyond all recognition, and the final arrangements are already being made for the Country to be handed over to a bunch of foreigners operating under the cloak of the European community. The trouble is I don't remember being asked if I agreed to this. There is still time to reverse the process, but it requires a man with vision and backbone, another Winston Churchill. What have we got but a Prime Minister who considers the main priority is gay marriages in church. That says it all. The British people must be allowed to shape their own destiny. We need a referendum now on withdrawal from Europe, and all that it entails. How can Cameron,Clegg and their camp followers continue to ignore the obvious.
Get us out of Europe RAPID!!! My ancestors (and yours) didn't fight the great wars to just give everything they fought for away! Your out Cameron, and before you smile Milliband there's more chance of me getting in power than you. UKIP is the only way to vote people. it's not racist, I'm not racist, don't let them tell you it is!! Vote to save these shores.
Disgraceful.....how dare they come here and expect benefits, like they've ever paid anything in to get anything out???! Go home. The whole lot of them.
29 MILLION?? Do they realise how small this country is??
If there is something to get the blood boiling its the subject of immigration.We have pensioners and families who have to choose between eating and heating yet we can open our borders to all and sundry on an edict from the EU.We need to stop this and the only way to do it is by shutting our borders.As a country we are sinking under a mire of immigration...the UK will break if it carries on....if its not broken already.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi, Maros, Romania,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What 'highly qualified people?' The British people were assured by the Government that anyone coming to the country would be properly vetted, speak the language and would fill the gap of the highly skilled that left in the "brain drain" as they called it. Instead we got every rag, tag & bobtail that Eastern Europe could muster and have wasted no time in draining our resources in any way they can so what makes you think the Romanians and Bulgariand will do any different?
Where have you been? THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:41This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim? -
That's Socalism for you.... All those who voted Labour over the years should hang their heads in shame, as you have helped to ruin this once great country. I fear time has now run out - unless the current government 'grow some balls' & pull us out of the EU quickly. If not, UKIP is the way forward at the next election.
Even more coming to bleed the benefits system dry.
Stop ! Now ! Give the UK a chance to catch up! We are not against migration as long as they contribute. Australia has it right we have it wrong! My vote now gos to UKIP! Enough is enough RW bromsgrove!!
its about time UK put its foot down on all these Immigrants when will it ever stop. the Goverment wants people to back to work so where do they find a job, and most of the people in this country can't even get a place to live let alone a job. Our NHS is so over streached. Sorry but if Immigrants come here they should only come if they have a job to come to and money so they don't have to live off our Country. Our Laws need changing
If I lived in the UK I would be votinkg UKIP. I worry for Ireland too. I wish we had a party who would stand up for indigeneous native IRISH people instead of towing the PC line :(
All vote UKIP.And lets try and do something to stop it.
Might I suggest that those who are as incensed as I am by this story, email the Prime Minister at No 10 and let him know how you feel. There are still 12 months left in which this impending national emergency can be averted; any politician worth his/her salt would make sure that it was. Are there any left in this country, I wonder?
ITS ABOUT TIME BRITISH ! PEOPLE VOTED WHO LIVES IN OUR COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I DO MEAN BRITISH LIKE ME BORN HERE .....
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.! - kaza, nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:36 are you sure i thought the same but after 6 months you simply get a different type of JSA, but the letters i got sent made it seem like i wouldn't get anything, they are just badly written.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33 ----------- What an utterly stupid statement. Of course the majority of us have no issues with skilled, qualified people who have secured employment before entering the country, they will be paying tax and paying their own way. What most people object to is people arrive en mass with no skills, no qualifications and no intention to work at all. When you know that people are coming over because they just want the benefits without turning their hand to anything it's hard to feel any sympathy towards them. I do agree that a referendum is required and that to leave the UK in the EU solely on a trade contract would be far more beneficial to us all.
This Christmas count yourself Lucky as you sit in your warm home, eating your warm food, drinking and then climbing into your warm bed. Not everyone is so lucky - have a bit of compassion! Its up to the government to control this better, but these people are just like us, the majority of them want a better life for themselves! Who can blame them!
With our overstretched services, especially police this will result in Armageddon. We MUST end this EU farce NOW before its too late and slam the doors closed
Oh I feel sorry for you Britain!! Hope they don't come here!!! We have enough as it is!!
We should welcome them with open arms after all we are GREAT BRITAN. Put them in Buck Palace, Windsor Castle I'm sure Liz wouldn't mind. English people are such hypocrites and I'm ashamed to be british
Benefits should only be available to people who are born in this country.
dont half make you bloody mad though, i look after my mother who is 92, i still have to try and struggle to pay my mortgage on carers allowance as i cannot get any help from the country to pay it, and these people will get more than i could wish for. its a bloody stupid country is this.
EU has been good for Britain that's what i keep hearing...Well let me tell you from an everyday normal Britain on the street, NO IT HAS NOT been good for us!! we are so over populated, our services and schools are over stretched, 50% of our housing going to immigrants and jobs, what jobs i could go on and on but what i don't hear is any benefits of us being in the EU not one... When this lot have free reign God Help Us no he wont that's why me and many others will have No option but to vote Ukip they are the only party that will get us out of this mess, no im not being racist just real we cannot afford this anymore....i long for the day we get out of the EU... I Want My Country Back
I really do worry about the EU and our participation in it these days. We seem to get the rough end all the time and the benefits... Well I dont feel they justify our membership any longer. It is not the EU we joined, and perhaps a referendum wouldnt be a bad idea?
We need out of the EU now. Please spare us from the latest influx. Enough is enough!
I am of Gypsy ancestry myself, welcome to the UK where the ones who don't work do all the complaining on their alleged taxes as you see in the article and comments.
maybe, when all these people bring this country down to the level of poverty and sqalor of the country they left behind, they will go back.
It won't affect me as they'll all head to London lol
I dont understand how we can afford this. I have payed tax all my life and struggle to keep my family afloat. Child Benefits and Working Tax credits have been cut, cost of living has went up and more than ever before we have people who dont have money to put food on their tables. How is it possible to let in more people in such a vast quantity and give them support? and they want us to be capped at 3 kids maximum in a family. If they can afford to do this I would same get producing or we will be in a minority
The monstrous EU are trying to turn this island into a dumping ground for the people that they dont want, we need to leave Europe and every corrupt thing that goes with it before our society disappears under an avalanche of imported rubbish.
Vote Bnp. The ukip are not the answer to our problems. The Bnp have warned us of our current problems for over a decade. The ukip are just imitating the real deal. Everything the Bnp predicted has come to pass. When will people wake up.
They must all be turned back. We're full and not welcoming.
Diversity is our strength..... said all the corrupt Politicians.
How the hell can they claim benefits when they have never even contributed to our economy????? I have lived here all my life and worked and paid taxes and I haven't had a single penny from benefits since 24th September.
They should only let people that vote for us in the Eurovision into the Uk... In other words no one ;) they don't like us and if they're gypsy's they will just cost our useless government event more resulting in further cuts. I would have no objection if it was hard workers ready to work long hours at a cheap rate but let's be honest these people will simply sign up to the benefits system at first opportunity. This is why UKIP are needed because they are the only ones with the back bone to get us out of the EU. Well the BNP does as well but only fat white shaved headed men who are homophobic would be left in the country if they got into power which would ruin Britain even more.
This is very sad indeed. More fool us for allowing it
britain is the dumping ground for the rest of the eu countries, cameroon clegg, milliband/blair are traitors to the country,
Really no need to worry - shoals of white middle-class industrious As and Bs are moving out to make room for the newcomers..
Argh
This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim? - Yvonne, West Midlands, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:41++++++++Where does it say, as you imply, that we are going to take in 29 million? Don't bother replying. I'll enlighten you...........it says 29 million have the "right" to come to Britain. "NOT" that they "ARE" coming.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!! - Levi , Maros, Romania, 24/12/2012 09:33==============YES WE DO. I am so sick of immigration and I want it to stop. These so called high qualified people should be helping their own countries out and we should be employing our own people.
DC please get onto this, ASAP. I know you had a stupendously huge mess to clear up, and that it's impossible to deal with all of the mess at once, but you've got to learn to PRIORITIZE properly. Meanwhile, Bliar and Gordon the Moron should be put in prison for what they've done to this country. It will take years to undo 12 years of pig's swill legislation, apologies to pigs, who are better than the last administration.
coming to another country isn't the answer, it won't make the situation better for those who remain the problem needs to be tackled at source. the government of the country needs to be confronted possibly by other governments. i have news for you Mr George, we are already full up, we can't afford to support people from other countries with our benefit system.
Only the politicians of this country seem to be unaware of the obvious. Nice to be sheltered from reality eh?
Without a REFERENDUM this will be the Death Knell for the three main parties.
Englishmen are crazy to accept such a proposition. We must stop it at all costs! We must also do something about all those foreigners who now live in England courtesy of the EU! Why have Englishmen let the rot set in to such a great extent? Why are there so many otherwise unemployed foreigners on the streets of England selling the Big Issue! If Belgium can expel them why not the English? Probably because so many of those politicians in Parliament today are not of English stock and would rather eraze Our Culture and Our Heritage. The answer must be in the short term to forget the Liberal Socialist agenda and Conservative agenda and join UKIP enmass
How dare this Government seek to pick on the people on benefits many who have paid into the system! Then open the door to these people who will take and take and cost us god knows how much in NHS costs etc! If this Governemnt will not take us out of the EU then the people need to do it. We all came together for the Wedding now lets do the same for this country. Never before has the words "your country needs you" meant more than it does today!
Urgent letter to all MP's and stop this EU fiasco. We cannot borrow money to fund the EU scum.
Luckily I will be leaving this country in about a year's time. I sincerely recommend anyone else to do the same and never look back at this sinking ship once known as Great Britain.
When will somebody in this Government get a grip on this immigration mess, What a crazy Government cutting peoples Benefits and public services yet ready to give millions away in Benefits and houses to these people. It wont be long before our hospitals and other services are unable to cope, free for all other than us.
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.! - kaza , nottingham, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:36 So what are you and every other moaner on here going to do about it? Absolutley NOTHING, that's what. This is what we do now. Most of our lives are relatively comfortable and we don't want to do ANYTHING to put that in jeopardy, just in case we lose out tv's, our holidays, our cars etc. What we suckers don't get is that we will lose that anyway if we keep burying our heads in the sand. This is how it works, and the politicians know and rely on it.
These pictures are clearly from some of your inner cities. In fact, I see some of your politicians on the horse cart.
By the time Cameron has finished with this Country there will be nothing left for anybody. The day when the number of people working and paying tax drops below the number claiming benefits is so close that you can almost smell it. When that happens, millions of people are going to have one hell of a wake up call when there is nothing left to pay them with,
The British people have never agreed or signed upto open borders, they did not get a referendum unlike other countries. Some eu countries even got two chances to vote. This was done to us by the labour gov who did not feel it inportant to get a mandate from the uk people. Is it then valid? Can it be challenged? They also signed us into future bail outs etc. the British people at the time made no fuss but quietly accepted it. Why? The press also made little of it at the time. We were not educated into what it really meant for us. It was quietly pushed through unchallenged. What was distracting us? Now it's all signed & sealed the people are blaming Cameron. Abit late in the day. Why have Lab never been challenged by the people as to why they forced us into the eu? Why does every tv discussion seemingly include presenters & members of the public who are all pro eu, when polls suggest different? How many really want out?
Thanks Tony
I don't blame them. Ultimately, they want to improve their way of living with the least amount of graft. They are only playing a rotten system. I blame the politicians who put the system in place and ignore how detrimental it is to Britain.
Time to vote UKIP for me, soon to be ex Tory.
I keep on sending this comment: don't pay out benefits, other countries don't. Why does the UK?? If this stops, so will the flood.
Will the last one to leave Britian please turn off the light
I really don't understand why we are in an EU that includes people who are so different from us. Why don't we create a Northern European Union? Draw an arc from Ireland to the Alps, to include the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Dutch and the Germans. People with - in the main - similar moral values and a similar hard-work ethic. What a super-state that would be! Not only would it dominate southern Europe, in time it would dominate (economically! I'm not advocating old-fashioned empire-building) the world. Watch out USA and BRIC, the Noropeans are coming!
If they havent paid into the UK tax system, they cant claim benefits, the same as in every other EU country. The only thing theyre entitled to use is the NHS, however i think this is wrong they should be forced to have insurance until they pay into the system.
Got news for them, there are plenty of people in Britain who can't afford anything either, the dentist costs a fortune here and benefits can not physically keep being paid if the working population ends up less than the benefit takers because us workers are going to say stuff it and go on benefits too.
FYI, Bulgaria and Romania together have less than 26 mil population. Not to mention that the gypsy population of Bulgaria is about 4.5% of the entire population, in Romania - 8%; less than 2 mil in total. And while the article pictures the worst of it, it is far away from the truth that all Bulgarians and Romanians just can't wait to leave their homes for the Promised Land. If these people ever come to UK they will work the jobs that none of us wants. On another note, you probably have an idea how many retired people from Britain move to Bulgaria, where they are welcomed by the local people (remember Miss Margaret?). And how many of you have gone to a ski vacation in Bansko or Pamporovo, or to a summer holiday at the Black sea? Please, stop blindly believe in such populist articles, and do the maths yourselves.
VOTE UKIP at every election or say goodbye to prosperity and your country . Not voting is a vote for the disastrous status quo . Think of your children .
Cameron will let them in, house them, feed them, pay them.,it won't hurt the top 10%, under Cameron's command they don't pay tax, the 90%, will pick up the tab.
The History Man,Tours,9:32.....How very right you are.
And this bunch of amateurs who are currently running the country will NO DOUBT welcome them with OPEN ARMS!
I guess we shall have to find another half a million part time jobs which will amount to half losing full time status here already in work and then find the money to pay for all their housing needs as the wages will not cover the rents which in turn will rise as their is a shortage of homes anyway . At least the police will be too busy listening to phone calls and reading peoples mail to react to actual crime giving us reason to pull out of the EU, but not until after the horse has already bolted No wonder the police are mad at politicians
Outrage but what can we do?? Anyone speaking against immigration is labelled a racist, and that has serious consequences in this country.
12 months to get out of the EU. Cameron you have been warned.
Thanks Tony Blair for ruining what was once a "Great" country!!
U K I P will get my vote at the next election
Sorry folks Cameron is too busy debating gay marriage to do anything about it,NOW is the time for a referendum before it's too late to save what's left of this country
"Look at the state of what they are wanting to get away from. If we let this happen our once grand little country will soon look the same way thanks to them. - sbr, essex, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:23" Clearly you have not visited some of the less well off areas of this country; you can find areas that look worse than those AND without the nice cars, well dressed and healthy people. if those are Romania's poor, they are much better off staying where they are!
THEY WANT TO WORK but no one will give them jobs? ...well they can start workig on that s-hole they call home and maybe than someone will take them seriously!
And all because we are in the EU. I feel sorry for these people and the way the have to live but that is there governments problem. If we keep on taking more immigrants and paying out benefits we will soon be in the same boat. Get us out of the EU, stop paying benefits to non British born people and stop immigration now. The EU is killing this country and our PM who lives in his luxury home does not have to live with it. I pay my taxes to help Britain not foreigners.
It shows the success of the EU that it's citizens are grubbing around rubbish tips to find food. We should ignore the rotten EU and close our borders. There WILL be a real uprising here one day and the fault will lie with the likes of BLAIR, CAMERON and the rest of our gutless leaders
An influx of new voters - nice one Dave......................
Reading this article makes me feel sick to my stomach, and so angry. I work bloody hard, pay my taxes, all so immigrants can move to my country and live off the state?! Get us out of the bloody EU!!!
People do you even know that the population of Bulgaria and Romania combined is not even close to 27 million people?! This is a false information here! Whats more in Bulgaria there are around 500,000 gypsies and I dont see anyone getting Scared of them! Whats more I do not see you getting scared from your own gypsy community which is bigger! And one more thing ask all the british people that buy houses and live in Bulgaria how the country acttually is!!! :)
GET OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Im asian. im 25 years old. 3rd gen british. My grandfaher worked on a british ship for many years and was given the right to live in the uk as a young man. My family has always worked hard and paid taxes. i dont think its racist to say that i dont want an influx of immigrants coming here and putting more pressure on what is already a stretched housing and benefits system. im sorry but its getting out of control.
It's time we made Cameron give us a referendum to let us out of the EU. Then send all these spongers back where they came from. Surely it "against our human rights" to have to put up with them being able to claim homes and cash from us without putting anything back in to the country. We will have slums just like the ones they came from because of their low way of living. We have our own country to think of and our citizens who need schools, a health system to pull back together and pensioners living on subsistance levels to care about. Their country wouldn't let us go there and enjoy the benefits their people do here!!
hi,our british nation.s birthrights/culture sold out by our cowardly politicians who did this behind closed doors starting with ted heath,we are to become the dustbin of eastern europe whose gvts cannot or willnot provide for their own nationals,our politicians will deserve whats coming to them for these gigantic changes without the publics consent and for taking their 30 pieces of judas silver from the undemocratic eu merkel/barrosa soviet clique in brussels,they run the uk now and we just cannot cope or make ends meet now,we have lost our own country,it,s unbelieveable i know but fact
What the hell are they doing to our country. millions waiting to come in getting everything for nothing. we the people have done everything by the governments books and its got us no where. we worked all our lives payed terrible taxes. now as pensioners we pay more and more. Im ashamed to be British. they should hold their heads in shame. . Im too upset to say anymore. they will never be forgiving. for what they have done to us and our soldiers who died for this rotten country too.
Stop saying vote UKIP, if you do you will get a Lab victory. This has to be handled in a totally different way. I suggest that you ALL write to your MP and tell them that they have lost your vote. Then we might have to consider a day of action that hurts them further. I am all for UKIP but vote carefully or more immigration under Labour.
And if we DON'T allow them in, the EU is going to do....what exactly? Huff? Puff? Blow our house down?
If Cameron can not stop this fiasco then all MPs should hand over there second homes to these people and see if they like what is about to happen in their neibourhood?
So much for the common agricultural policy that's where it all started from, that ONE referendum which has been changed more times than there are penny's in a pound by the politicians of the day to land us with an over populated island full of foreign nationals who are here purely for the benefit system, what an invitation come here and the British taxpayer will pick up the bill and like idiots we are we put up with it, but our politicians never had the sense to state that benefits for EU migrants would be the same as the country there were leaving, now there is only one problem to overcome get out of the EU and fast otherwise we will remain in a permanent recession for decades, we have been sharked by our own politicians and they know it most people know it, insists on a referendum now in or out.
The final nail in Coffin UK... a complete breakdown of society and all the services that go with it, another influx of millions of people and a rise in once curable diseases will leave this country a wasteland because of the fascist EU monster, they want turn the UK into a dumping ground and clean up Europe.... referendum now cowardly Cameron.
I agree, bring back strict immigration laws like Australia!!! I do fear it is too late however; White British are officially London's minority! This is wrong. I'm sure if we do see benefits being cut however, these people will steal, destroy and cost the Government more money in 'sorting out.' Erghh, Labour has a lot to answer for!!!
Right Camerloon lets see your metal!!!!
None of our spineless politicians can do anything or don't dare. They are a bunch of useless mouths to feed. They have no power and are a world laughing stock!
Good. Let them come here - no child should live like that......no child asks to be born and why should some children be rich and lavished with gifts while others have nothing and empty bellies. The world is such an unfair place - while your children are eating chocolate and opening hoardes of presents, there are children in this world, as innocent and precious to their parents as yours, and they are starving. Literally dying in front of their parents eyes because they are so hungry - can you imagine that? Could any of you really imagine how confused and terrified a 'starving to death' child is? I wonder if it was happening right in front of us, and not a few thousand miles away, whether we would all close our doors and feast as heartily this Christmas.
The Gipsy situation is a self fulfilling prophesy. For generations, Gipsy families have been excluded from most services offered by their home countries due to prejudice. Lack of education, social services and jobs has left these people desperate. Even today, a strong prejudice exists against Gipsies (which I have witnessed first hand). They are perceived as lazy thieves who are unemployable and are not to be trusted. Putting yourself in their position, what would you do..... continue to live the life you have with NO future or move to somewhere that you will have a chance to improve your life, feed your children, get access to the basic services that we take for granted. But, Britain can't cope with the problems we already have, another influx of immigrants could be our undoing. The government needs to go to source of the problem and demand all the Eastern block countries start dealing with the problems THEY created.
If the only benefit of comming out of the EU was to stop this it would be well worth it.
A human being is a human being, like any of us they want to do their best for their wn families,who can blame them, just look at them conditions
You just couldn't make this up, I see Romania & Hungry have now anounced a ban on all EU nationals from owning land from 2014, discriminating against EU citizens in land purchases is a treaty violation.
Ah you don't like it now? It's fine when you have articles on Greece of kids that are beggars and you present them as Greeks when they are actually gypsies from Bulgaria.
How come there are families here homeless but this lot will come to England and get housed at an instant complete with all the benefits and all their rent paid. Wished I hadn't read this, it really aggravates me.
While some of the facts are correct in this article, the headline is definitely misleading: " 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits." First, the population of Bulgaria is 6.5 million and Roma people art not more than 0.6 mln. The article does sound xenophobic and tries to scare UK people into believing that their identity and social benefits are endangered. As a matter of fact quite a big number of retired Brits, as well as young entrepreneurial Britts have settled in Bulgarian towns and villages, enjoying a friendly attitude by the local people and a standard they can not afford in their home country. While there is a problem with ghettoisation of Roma people in Bulgaria and the issues of crime and poverty are real (although poverty is not limited to Roma people), it shouldn't be forgotten that historically Roma gypsies and other "undesirable" ethnic minorities settled down in Bulgaria, driven away by other countries.
If i was Prime Minister this country would be so much better, first of all every person not born British would be out of the country, if they were claiming benifits!
We have record number of food banks, NHS ready to collapse treating immigrants bringing in diseases long since eradicated from the Uk, benefits being cut, housing in crisis and schools trying to cope with upwards of 200 languages and what are we about to do? Import millions more. This is a disgrace and we should be storming No. 10 and screaming at Cameron to get us out of the EU but what do we have ? Silence ! When many more families are starving in the street and hospitals have long queues of British tax payers standing outside waiting for treatment in A & E whilst the beds are full of non-paying immigrants, perhaps then when people are desperate enough, riots will start. The sooner the better if it changes things.
is there any point in saying anything,the powers that be are just not listening
'Isn't it a bit disgusting Daily Mail, that by spreading hatred to those and other countries you capitalise on them at the same time? And don't tell me you only criticise immigration policies, majority of readers will hate the very people not policies, of which there's enough proof here, you know full well what you're doing. I hate Daily Mail, and being red arrowed here is a badge of honour to me.- Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 23/12/2012 23:58*** I feel the same about articles spreading bigotry and fear mongering, love those red arrows. I didn't know whether to add to your 303 red arrows, to add to the merit of your badge or Green arrow because I liked your comment so much, I red arrowed you, that's what I would want, had I written what you wrote.
How lovely for the DM to show such hatered and xenophobia at Christmas! Papers should really be more aware of their influence on public opinion and know their history! This is how started the 2nd world war: high unemployment, trying to find the culprid, racism and xenophobia. It ended end with war and concentration camps (which included romany gypsy by the way)
If this is allowed to happen then we really are through. Simple as.
Brilliant, we are short of housing, never mind the British tax payers will not mind working to fund the benefits and handouts, We have plenty of empty Lay-byes,were they can set up camp,
This has to STOP NOW
this will just sink our country, what good will it do bringing us down to their economic level, bankrupting all EU countries is not the solution surely?
Scare story at best. As if the hinted 29m are going to go racing through Europe to land on our shores, the first chance they get! If they can't afford clothes and food, then pray tell, where are they going to get the money to land on our shores? Bribe who with what money they don't have? Walk thousands of miles? Ignore the Scandinavian benefits system which is more generous and fairer than ours? Swim across the channel with their kids tied to their backs?
This makes me SO ANGRY!!!!
What a rude, racist article.
Something for Britain to look forward to, glad I'm out of there.
these are the poor I am losing my child benefits for?
I bumped into Gordon Brown while I was out there.He was holding a forum on how to claim benefits.He pointed out many with children could claim up to £100.000 per annum.I can only assume Brown despises the British taxpayers and wants them all impoverished.
GAzza - Mr Cameron had nothing to do with this. If anything this occurred on the watch of the previous Government - Brown, Blair - remember them? Sagic, Hull, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 9:18. Yes, I remember Blair and Brown, and yes, I know they set us up, but Cameron COULD give us an in/out referendum, but he won't, so he has everything to do with it.
This really makes my blood boil. With the Government knowing this is coming and doing nothing about it whilst simultaneously taxing hard working British citizens to the max you have to wonder how much longer we can put up with it. We need to stop this Chinese whisper that Britain will look after you and pay for you no matter what. The article mentions a time when 'we will be full up'. That time has been and gone yet we still welcome people here with open arms. I am not heartless, and it is sad to read of the children and their stories but the entire EU community need to take responsibility for this, not leave it to the UK.
THIS and the economy is what the government should be focussing their attention on - not Plebgate and where gays can marry. Apart from financial aspects, how will housing, health and education cope? The country is flooding already because of having to build on flood plains without alternate drainage, so we can't just keep building on green land. From what we saw in the Olympics, Hyde Park might as well be renamed Bulgaria Park. "Tolerance" is wearing very thin. We REALLY need to make this country less attractive to immigrants - firstly by drastically reducing the benefits available. Not legal? Doesn't seem to bother other European countries to break EU law when it suits them (which for France means most of them)!
Daily Mail, shame on you to induce fear of an invasion from the East. You show pictures of Gipsies and name them as representative for Romanians and Bulgarians. Daily Mail reporters and editors, you use stereotypes. In response to your ignorant message, any stupid tabloid in the East could show binge drinkers, drug addicts, pedophiles and say "they are the English, fear them". Daily Mail, you encourage xenophobia, totalitarianism, ignorance. When you will suffer, you will know what you did - articles to stigmatize others. - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 9:05 **************** You might be right Victor, but we're not the ones threatening to come to your country and expecting to be looked after for nothing. Our country is being flooded by people from all nations expecting, and getting, handouts. The isn't why we joined the EU. We are, and always have been, a nation that helps others but we're now at breaking point. The working population have had enough.
Do not mix up Bulgarians and Rumanians with gypsies.Even here in the UK you call your gypsies(gypsies born here) just gypsies but not Brithish ,how you call this double standard?
Thank God that I am emigrating in January, to a staggeringly beautiful country with strict immigration rules and a population of only 4 million. I despair about what has happened to this country. I now feel like a stranger in my own country, being white and English and English speaking, it now feels like I'm in the minority in London. I just don't recognise England now, it is so different from the country which I grew up in. Don't think that I will ever return. Most of my close friends are doing likewise or have already left.
I am so glad I got out of the UK it gets worse by the minute, will the last one to leave please turn out the light - Biñan Kid, Laguna_ Ph., 24/12/2012 1:19 Click to rate Rating 1958Report abuse Makes me laugh when you guys criticise immigration by saying I have had enough im moving to X Y Z country, well maybe the country u want to move to the people might not want u there 'ruining their country' so if anything ur no different to all them. british expats who move abroad in search for a better life and prospects. same thing thesr bulgarians are doing arent they????
Tighten up your owns laws ! Stop blaming others .Without Europe , UK will be stuffed!
You can't blame people for wanting a better life, who wouldn't do the same. Brits have moved all over the world to better themselves. However, we can't feed the world - our system can't take it and where other countries have strict entry criteria to protect their welfare systems, we do not. We need to focus on looking after who we have now, we can barely afford that. Hopefully UKIP will have saved us from this come 2014.
Please ministers of the UK, please stop these people coming here. It is crystal clear these people will come for benefits and housing. Pull out of euro union. We are unique in Europe because we are a member of the commonwealth and have ties with the USA, so with have a good network to get working immigrants anyway. PLEASE STOP THESE BULGARIANS AND ROMANIANS COMING HERE!
We are all human and all of us want a better life. Brits also leave for other countries where they think they will be better off. What's the difference? The negative DM commenters here are, as usual, a bunch of easily incited hypocrites.
Will this government be preparing for them by building more houses. There are not enough houses for our current population, more homeless than ever. Or will these migrants bring their horses and caravans with them. Regarding benefits, they should be paid the same rate that they would have received in their homeland. We cannot afford them, we cannot house them, and we no employment for them. Merry Christmas to all!
NO - they should not be allowed to have benefits and all should be for those that are born here and paid UK taxes. Only until been here 10 years and made a valuable contribution should be considered for it. They will get everything I guess - thanks MPS! more waiting time for NHS etc also lots of illnesses that were almost eradicated here TB etc will be back it is growing already. If France and others can deny them access why on earth can't we?? We are a tiny island we will sink soon - stay where you are and make things better there it is NOT a Golden Paradise for everyone!
STOP GRUMBLING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT-VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT WILL GET US OUT OF THIS MESS.
People do you even know that the whole population of Bulgaria and Romania combine is less then 27,000,000 people?! What a stupid and false news! Cannot believe people are actually falling for this! Open your eyes!! In Bulgaria the gypsies are aroun 500,00o people and noone is afraid of them. I do live in the UK and I do not see you complain of your gypsy community which is bigger than this one in Bulgaria!
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams , Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Easy for you to say as Australia would not let 99.99% of them in as they would fail the points system of your immigration policy. Yet you have a country of 2,969,907 square miles with a population of 22.7 million, compared to England which is 94,060 sq mi and a population of 63,181,775 (not including the illigals that labour and tories do not know or care about). We are one of the most densly populated countrys in the world and the average paid worker can no longer go on paying for immigration, we are all broke and this wave of people we just can not afford to let in to the UK, theres no money left or housing or health care going spare. This is not immigration to escape a war, its economic migration they want to come here and get hand outs and its just not acceptable.
Where the hell did you get this outrageous number?? 29 MILLION?? That's the population of both countries combined!! And I'm saying it again: those people are NOT ROMANIANS(or bulgarians), they are simply called GYPSIES! - Ana, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 10:20 That's what they meant. Every citizen of Romania and Bulgaria will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. It's just that most (if not all) of those citizens will be gypsies. From what I've heard our gypsies usually go to Germany seeking political asylum. Almost all of them are sent back but then they pack up and go (and stay) there illegally.
FROM MY CYPRUS CORRESPONDENT: Cyprus has an awesome amount of unsold property, like Greece and Spain. This was all funded during the credit boom; before the 'crunch'. The Cypriot government is making a special offer to none EU buyers. Buy a flat and your whole family become EU citizens, passports and all. We all know how big these extended families can be so it's easy to scrape together €100, 000. Of course they don't stay here. The flat is put up for holiday lets and the new 'Europeans' head for London. I first noticed this because the estate agent's signs were written in Chinese and Russian. I asked around and it's an open secret here. I'm told that the citizenship offer works so well that Spain is to start doing it soon. HAPPY CHRISTMAS !
Tell the ones who want to come here that there will be no benefits, no housing and no free health care and they must have a job to come to.
I still apply my simple test when deciding whether continued EU membership is a good thing - can you think of one thing that membership has improved for you or, for the Country. So far I am failing to come up with anything but perhaps others can. Now think of all the things that have got worse as a result of EU membership - strangely enough here there are multiple things that easily come to mind. Unless David Cameron gets off the fence and acts decisively now, it will soon be too late and the UK will be overrun.
Stop calling everybody eastern Europeans. These two nations are Balkans. Nobody calls Italians western Europeans, do they? Because Italians are medetiranians, like Austrians and checks are from central Europe, Baltic nations are northern Europeans and so on...
I don't agree people should be given money from outside uk but wt ppl need to understand is -- they are only gypsies because there government says so- remember they are from the EU as are we... Because we are part of EU this happens ... The people incharge of EU made these people like this by gradually cutting their help over time- just like what is happening here untill eventually nothing is left then we have to move else were, untill were all left in one place and it is the right time to attack and depopulate -- we are ruled by these ppl who make these laws up.. It not Cameron- he just gets told wat to say- also If I said who u vote for wont matter (would you think ludicrous ) yes probably but it's not as they are picked in advance
Cameron will want the artificial boost to GDP from immigration just before the next election (just as Blair and Brown did after 2004).
It's a classic "not on my doorstep" situation as much as I don't want them here, I actually feel sorry for these people, especially the children. Many of them have never had a chance but coming to the UK wont fix their problems it will just move their problems from one country to another. I honestly think we should have a point system in the UK. like Australia where only people who have skills that are needed are allowed to come and work here.
the political scum have sold us all out, very soon their wont be any jobs for the school leavers and the infrastructure will just buckle under the sheer volume of scroungers all having a free ride at the expense of the tax paying Brits, Yes these treacherous political elites have a lot to answer for
We should of got out of the EU years ago, but as we keep being told, its good for the country, and if you complain, your branded a racist.
It's Christmas- a time of peace and goodwill to all men - but the Daily Mail is stirring up hate again - shame on you !
That's it. I'm off
I'll be at the airport to welcome them all with open arms.
Bobby George has had seven fights in eight years as a pro, not even progressed beyond six rounders, he also manages himself, and at 30yrs old is going nowhere. What he does is a ticket to welfare, what he gives to this country is nothing, he is a taker that our system allows to be here.
To those saying why don't we get off our backsides and protest - if we do, we're labelled BNP/racist/bigots. You dare not speak your mind - even in private. You can lose your job, you may even lose your children, as a family recently did just for supporting an anti-immigration party.. We don't have free speech in this country any more. So we must accept these freeloaders, and keep silent. And to those saying Labour allowed this, not the present government - fine. But what is Cameron doing NOW to stop immigration? Oh wait, that would be nothing.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 You are so right, this is what we need to do.
When they kick people out of their under occupied houses, there will be some room for them.
In Rome they hunt in packs and pick you pocket. In Britain there is no need for them to do this cos the government give them the money.
UKIP would stop this Any Brit with a brain will vote UKIP. They are our only hope to save what's left of Britain
so, the genuinely disabled, old and infirm of this country are to have their benefits removed to pay for Romanians and Bulgarians? nice on Dave.
Great Britain.....GREAT for everybody but us British, sick to the back teeth of it all !!!!!!
To be quite frank I am getting sick of this country and I cannot afford to get out so I am stuck! I receive benefits and not because I want to but because I have to and I feel disgusted with myself for it. Unfortunately I was made redundant while pregnant and my husbands security job is only on a needs only basis - this is all we can get at the moment, between us we have applied for 300+ jobs to no avail. I live in Newcastle and the job scene is practically non existent. Where are all these people going to get jobs? Ooooh yeah that is right, benefits is a life style choice here... duuuuh. Sick of all these immigrants coming into this country and draining the benefits system, jobs and homes. Our government needs to listen to us, get us out of the EU and start putting their friggin foot down, enough is ENOUGH! 2014 onwards will inevitably see the migrants population outweigh the native Brit - absolutely shocking! Government should be ASHAMED!!!!
It's Time to Flood the Tunnel
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! It is tieme to get out of eu nowwwwwwwww.
To all you do-gooders, swivel-eyed lefties and hand-wringers who would like to see 200 million foreigners in this country, I suggest you read the article about hard-up pensioners in the money pages. You will also find that the usual ploy of calling people a racist because they disagree with your skewed view of the world does not work any more, it is purely a matter of numbers. UKIP the only way forward now.
Come on DM get in the spirit of Christmas and get some seasonal stories on instead of miffing off the UK population
Why blame immigrants. Its the global capitalist you should be blaming. Once again a typical meek and timid response from DM readers. No wonder the immigrants laugh at the Englishman behind their back lol.
It's over UK..the world is changing. If you go to Italy now days all the cooks making pasta are Chinese..street cleaners are Indians. Same thing happening in Korea.. workers from Bangladeshi, Sri Lanka etc running our factories. In 2001, when I've made a comment during an ITV London interview that Chinese will come to Britain en masse and will want to marry your daughters. The intervew ended very quickly. Migration like osmosis from South to North..a historical reality in human history taking place now all over the world. We can only hope that our higher human spirit prevails.
Out of the EU now!!! We're told there's no money for future pensions and will have to work ever longer - while we allow those who've never contributed to this country full benefits. We cut our services to free up extra money for these people, it makes you sick. Enough is enough!!!! The working people pay more VAT and watch their pay packets decline, public services are cut back while bankers and immigrants take everything. This has to stop, and it has to stop now - enough damage has already been done, and we need control of our borders back.
So lt me get this straight Dave. They have to cross Hungary, Austria, Germany then a choice of France, Belgium or Holland to get here. Why can't they stay in one of the other countries? It seems that when the EU wants the "soup kitchen country", they choose ours. Some harmonization.
All of you who voted for the big three in the last election are responsible for this. All of you who will be voting for the big three in the next election (about 98% of the same people) are responsible for this. Make a stand and vote UKIP
Camoron is determined to ruin this once great country. I'm starting to think these morons running the government have had their brains removed and are being controlled by remote control by drug crazed aliens from the planet zog for their version of a tv reality show - gazza, Stockton, 24/12/2012 01:19..............This is being done on purpose to run down our country so we are unable to fight. Therefore the EU will win. We are too much of a threat if we stay strong. They are trying to strip us financially in everyday they can.
Why would Tony Blair do this? What was his motivation? Anybody would half a brain could foresee it.
Well, I am leaving this country in July thankfully. They wont get any of my tax money for sure! The big Issue I only buy from the real homeless and that goes for when I now and then give money or buy something to eat and drink to someone who begs on the street.. All this makes me so sad, but I can not let my child grow up in a country who puts immigrants BEFORE it's own people... R.I.P Britain.....
I just love to watch England implode from afar its called karma!!!! - shann , barcelona, 24/12/2012 08:58----------------- Yes, because Spain's doing so well, isn't it? How you must laugh!!
Yes you are all welcome to come here its a great country to live in. We the british people welcome you all, we will build you new houses out in the country and a new flat screen tv. We will give you plenty of money for nothing and you can even top this cash up by stealing and mugging us all. Don't worry about going to prison our judges don't like locking you up. Our hard working tax payers will provide all you will ever need. And you can trust our government to do everything in its power to make sure your human rights are well looked after.
Yes many immigrants have come here in the past and many helped to make GB but these were the ones who wanted to work hard and got nothing and would be rare to have criminals amongst them and in the very early days before benefits THEY WOKED OR STARVED TO DEATH.Have you notced to that clever lot most smoke and drink hard (just when we are trying to stop our own for many reasons nhs and crime we are inviting them in what a ---- joke we are).
Surely the point of the EU is that countries are able / expected to deal with problems like this, improving living standards and social deprivation, not exporting the problem?!
The people in controll of all this situation- the ones incharge of the puppets meet up once a year- in secret- they called the bilderberge group guys!! Angela merkel has visited, tony blare, Obama, yes turner, Henry Kissinger, David rockerfella- they need to be stopped before more wars start and then they can realise the new world order- which already I can see unfolding infront if my eyes!!! Won't happen- people will succeed in the end
It's Christmas. Do you have to print such Xenophobic, RACIST stuff today and tomorrow? There are a lot of them in France, but not 29 million! . . . Well said. Potential migrants need to be aware that there are equally unpleasant attitudes apparent in this country too - suggest they avoid looking at the Tory press.
Absolutely ludicrous! We didn't want to be part if the EU in the first place! Bring on the referendum!
We must be stark raving bonkers to let our politicians do this to us.
Broken Britain is almost here. Sad really
All those people defending the right of immigrants to come here will be the same ones complaining about the benefit cuts. Mindless idiots who can't add up. Be careful what you wish for, the disappearance of a welfare state !
Time to shut our borders , batten down the hatches and pray for the so called promised referendum
You have got to be kidding me people get off your backsides and do something write to your MP, protest VOTE UKIP don't let this happen Britain will vanish with out a trace if this happens trust me. Fed up tax payer with a Japanese wife that had to pay to stay in this country and cost a lot in visa fees for what ! once i got enough i am out of here this is getting a sess pit everyday the UK. Thanks Tony lier and call me Dave the lad the most silly man on this earth , I for one will not take this the way this country is going there be more crime and more people need more houses and more land , do you think we can cope look around now people.
If you do not have a job, a sponser (an employer) & money in the bank then you do not get in, if you leave your job or get fired then back you go. No one should be allowed to come into this country & claim any kind of benefit not even child benefit until they have been living & working here for a few years (min 5 years). Shut the borders until we sort out the mess Blair started & cameron is continuing.
Bit of a racist title and scaremongering article daily mail! Poor Journalism!
Oh god, I can't wait
When are we going to take to the streets? Now is the time, is there any planned large country wide street marches coming up? If so what date we will be there. Vote UKIP.
I mean, I look at these pictures and think no one should live like that. But do we really have anymore room, we are making cuts here, there and everywhere. Do we really have the resources for this?
This country has become a complete joke, it's horrible to feel like a foreigner in your own country.
The world is going mad ... good luck :)
I am all for different nations being in Britain. But only if they have a trade.. Or have some money! I'm sick of paying for all these people. It's disgusting!!!
DM keep this in your front page till the brain dead in Government get it . Remember how our clueless Government and Straw said only a coach load of Poles would come over ans we were swamped with 2 million Eastern Europeans .
The Daily Mail supports the Tories, and a vote for the Tories (as with any main party other than UKIP) is a vote for further uncontrolled and unhindered immigration
Austria and all other western countries had similar problems in recent times, with many immigrants flooding them from the East. The initial boom has abated and the situation has evened out, with many professionals also among the "immigrants" who now work in, for instance, UK hospitals. However, if they cannot get jobs, then don't pay benefits, and get them to move on. On the other hand, have you considered that they do the dirty jobs your countrymen look down on while sitting at home on benefits and moaning about immigrants? That's a thought, too, but you will no doubt find it easier to red arrow me.
fred, denia, Spain Plain wrong - look at the official count of how many have come here. Add to that 3 times as many who got in here unofficially!
Sorry, we're full!
We dont needs these people.
To stop ever increasing numbers from the EU wanting to come here, we would have to stop benefits completely for everyone, as are benefits being cut now. How is it fair that people that have contributed to the system all their lives, now have to sit back and watch their safety net being taken away by a government who hasn't the guts to get us out of the EU ! Benefits should be for the British and people who have paid in for a limited number of years, not for freeloaders who wish to come here and live off the backs of our hard work ! The EU should be sorting their country's problems out for them in THEIR country, not allowing them to be imported into our tiny island. UKIP is the only answer for us.
We need to stop all benefits, close the doors to the UK and lock em down now. I am sick of supporting euro trash left, right and centre, they have nothing what so ever to contribute apart from take take and take and over populate!
I want to vote UKIP but also have my concerns about that party now too!! All I know Is I don't trust labour, conservative, or libdems - I want to go for MP yet have another 6 years to go-- but looks like that will be far too late ... Not like I can change anything anyway lol !! The people at the end of this will come through- after we go to war again and have no money left, no more bailouts- no medical- no school- only people with mortgaged paid for, good jobs that are safe and the rich will be okay- the rest if us not a chance!
NO! This has got to stop! We have had enough. There are already less and less people working to support those already on benefits. Working people are hard pushed to support themselves let alone millions of others who have never contributed to anything to this country.
well is that not what was said last month to relax the building regs so they could build new homes for thoses immigrants expecting to arrive in the next few years? perhaps now is the time to slap regulations on benefits i can see mr osbourne needing to save at least 100 billion off the welfare benefits if this is allowed to happen or perhaps all those whom want us to stay in the EU should adopt and pay for those arriving if they want them here let them pay for them why should poor british workers subsidise non british citizens
Bulgarians are not moving to England. Relax! Living in BG is much better/cheaper than England. Ask the English expats living in Bulgaria if you don't believe me ... - Star, in the sky, 24/12/2012 2:48 Instead of automatically red arrowing people you should check the truth...it IS much cheaper over here, that's why we live here :-))))
The answer the government are bound to come up with is to get rid of all of us over 60 plus saving millions having to care for us, pay pensions and care and all hospital needs and at a stroke release more than enough housing stock to accommodate them, God help us as no one in parliament has the guts or inclination to do anything but wring their hands and mouth pius platitudes saying their hands are tied by Brussels.
And whats worse Cameron and Clegg believe these new arrivals will increase prosperity for the country as it will completely destroy the minimum wage which is a TORY dream come true.
mr cameron you will go down in history with blair and brown as one of the people who destroyed the united kingdom we the people will be your judge and we will judge you harshly if you destroy our land and our culture change direction now or we will destroy you
I am British but have lived and worked overseas for the last 10-years. I would love to come back, but cannot justify it as the country is a total and utter mess caused by 13-years of absolutely disasterous Labour rule and now further compounded by the weak and spineless Lid/Con coalition. Over the 10-years I have been away the quality of life for native Brits has declined beyond belief and all my friends are depressed at the state of country, caused by total the mismanagement of the economy, unfettered immigration and the creation of a benefit scrounging , free breeding underclass.
That is what our politicians signed up for, these people want a better life i'm not sure they will find it in Britain at the moment but we cannot blame them. We must also remember the thousands of Brits that live in other EU countries like Spain who will be kicked out if we pulled out.
All these liberal minded do gooders will eventually rebel when they find income tax and other taxes are pushed up more to pay for more benefit scroungers here. The day of reckoning is fast approaching for these 'soft in the head' thinkers!
I was against Scotland going independent, but may be forced to change my mind. Blair has a lot to answer for!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 - If we do that we will be locked up and labelled "racist" . It sounds daft but it's true.
Simple question. How/where are they going to live when they get here and how are they going to travel if they are so poor? Surely the solution would be that some of the monies we are pouring into the EU is used to improve their living conditions in countries where they live already, speak the language and understand the culture rather than having them uprooting their familes to an alien land. Where I live there are already sufficient of their families selling Big Issues and begging and pleasant as some of them are how many big issue sellers and beggars do the Brains in Brussels think this country need?
Am pleased that I do not live in the UK but feel very sorry for you folks that work so hard and pay your taxes etc but for what to keep other's in benefits what is the matter with the Government as someone says why do people not protest literally bring the UK to a complete standstill that may be the wrong thing to do but where on earth are they getting all the money from to pay the people these benefits. 2013 will be a very grim year and not just in the UK - pedro llamedos , Sunny Spain, Spain, 24/12/2012 09:10---Writes a man whose country is on the verge of returning to third world status, and which was only lifted out of it because of European money that cannot now be repaid back because Spain's political leaders couldn't run a flag up a pole, and of course its people who were swept along on a tide of easy money. Perhaps we are not much better but at least we can set our own interest rates and ditch our politicians. Spain like Greece and Italy have to do as Brussels tell them.
The next generation to lower once again the working wage. Britain is a basketcase, thankgod I am an Ex-pat
"I see the British are expressing thier Christian love for thier fellow man" - this country is a joke, we cant even look after ourselves, we need to come first, dont let them in full stop, if you are an immigrant, on the dole or single mums - you get looked after. Do what the Australians do, send them packing back on a boat
Britain is the dustbin of Europe and in time will be a ghetto of areas harbouring different cultural groups , bankrupting the Country from hand outs and benefit,s as the benefit system is totally abused., and ethnic British will be the minority.
Sorry more interested in gay marrage
can i just ask.... why britain?? the south of france is much nicer!
Merry blooming Christmas
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 1:14 And you think USA is any bette?, then you are in fools paradise my friend.
My heart goes out to these people. Their own government should be helping them People will find anyway to survive and if their government treated them fairly and tackled racial abuse they would not need to steal. We have no more room here but the PM should be sending advisers to help . Have compassion on this ancient race of people.
Why is it our problem that there own country refuses to help them? Why should we open the floodgates to an already stretched system, we are buckling under the strain of so many that survive on welfare. I fully support helping those who can't fund themselves but there has got to be a limit, perhaps if immigrants didn't have the right to claim every benefit we wouldn't have this problem
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not in favour of benefit cuts but I do propose that there should be a 5 year residency before you can claim any sort of benefits. That way you'll see a drastic drop in immigration, a drastic drop in funds going out and the economy would become more sustainable.
I feel for these people but I am worried of the price we have to pay for this. We work hard, we pay our taxes. Our country is struggling enough and is over run as we are, never mind more people living here. I am not against people making a better life for themselfs but we are stuggling ourselves to make ends meet. It seems far to easy for people to move over here and it is worrying the goverment have no idea of how many Immigrants we have here already.
I have worked since the age of 20 after being at college. I would love to be a stay at home but am am not allowed to claim anything. Never have been. I dont know how british people do it let alone foreigners who just turn up! Life is so unfair for honest people. Am missing out seeing my son during the day because of the likes of these who sit on their butts all day, probably smoking and watching Sky!
The people mentioned in the article are of Roma gypsy descent and not Bulgarians. DM and scare tactics again. There are 8 million Bulgarians and as I write thus I am sitting in Plovdiv visiting friends, none of which have an interest in coming to the UK.
it doesn't matter if not everybody wants to come here, there's going to be a time when Britain is over populated. we're tiny compared to a lot of other countries, we'll start sinking soon :(
UKIP is the only way,but the sheep and the fools will vote for the usual.Get used to it,or get out,because things are only going to get worse.
Not to mention the hordes of prisoners freed from their jails.
You can't blame people for wanting to escape their hellish life and for thinking their best chance lies here in UK.
Just watch the UKIP rise in the polls.
I'm so glad I'm jumping ship and moving to Australia!
We should all move there.
Why are people complaining?...According to our political elite (who won`t be affected by this), we, as a people, will be `enriched` (whatever that`s supposed to mean...)
Perhaps it is the payback time for England as it went and illegaly occupied many countries throughout the world.
Send them to Germany let them pay.
The Government aren't listening! nothing is going to change ! so whats the point of getting yourself all worked up and voicing your opinion on here!! I like many others do it nearly every day and get so frustrated that I feel not one of them is listening or caring about our views!! we are wasting our time! this god forsaken country is going to be a third world country by the time this Government is finished......I'm done getting myself all strung out!! ..............just wish I could move to a country that dose care about it's citizens.
Welcome to walk over Britain, a once proud country slowly being reduced to rubble by its political correctness and our membership of the EU
is it any wonder why we are sinking in floods,over population.just a thought
This government only tackle people from outside of EU, but not Inside of EU's. It can be seen that this government is lack of Control, and no wonder the tax payers money run out. Yes we are in EU, but we should have policy that mentioned people come here from EU can NOT automatically get BENEFIT !! They want to come here, asked them to do voluntary work for 8-16 hours a week, either street cleaning or etc, The law of course can be change, as the claimant in the UK can't get it so Why people from Bulgaria and Romania can get it. If this happen be prepare for more criminal. "Norway's foreign minister has urged the UK to assess the advantages of staying in the European Union, rather than consider leaving." source BBC.==> I would love to say to Mr. Eide No thanks. We definitely want out from EU.
Why the angst? It's going to happen and there's nothing you'll do about it. At least when your children ask, "what did you do about it?" you can honestly say, "Apart from writing to the DM, I did Nothing."
Oh help!
Even more reason to move away! France here I come! - Matt Wallis, Derby, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 09:22. ******* you really don't see the irony of your statement do you.
My utter disgust about this. UKIP cannot come soon enough. Why is our weak government so stupid?
When will mainstream politicians stop listening to all of these left wing pressure groups that have limited support among the working class and much of the middle class of this nation. We need someone to stand up for the rights of the majority. The working class, heterosexual individuals with British values (regardless of ethnicity).
We have enough scrounging ne'er-do-wells already. I don't care what race, colour or creed people are, but I have a strong avesion to ciriminals, idlers and scrounging timewasters of any nationality. If the cap fits.... GET US OUT OF THE EU SHAMBLES!!
We heard the same rubbish about we would be flooded by millions of Poles.It didnt happen.We are a multi racial country.Not a facist dictatorship The DM really is scare mongering again
Why can't we have a system like I.O.M?(who are not members of the e.u) where you cant claim any benefits until you have lived on the island for at least five years, where by you have to pay into the system before you can get anything out of it....
Er what?! No! Turn around and go back! I'm a 19 year old with no future because you are letting in so many people who aren't welcome! Sort yourself out UK!
I'm so scared of the future especially my dayghters. Britains benefits should be for British only or people who have paid tax ?? In other countries they don't pay tax- so they're supposed to have extra money- the countries that are a part of the EU that are poor, rioting and have gone bust. Well guess wat!! That's us in the next 5 years because of people incharge can't keep ontop of looking after there own people... These people get called (gypsies). Americans are gypsies then. The land of the world is owned to all the citizens of the world. Yet we need rules, orders, tax, war more tax- then benefits cut, NHS, school, police and fire. Let more people to claim money we don't have.. Even though Britain and America are classed as one if the wealthier country- Were not- were one of the poorest. As countries like Libya. And Kuwait owe no money out, all there banks are state owned and they have gold. Unlike us who have hardly any gold, no money just debt :/( doesn't look good to me
So the end of the World didn't happen in Dec 2012..... but for Britain it will happen in 2014 and looking at these pictures, it will be just one big slum.
its time to dual our governments people!!! ITS TIME TO STOP THE CORRUPTION AND TAKE BACK OUR LAND. ITS TIME TO STOP THE GOVERNMENT MUGGING US EVERYDAY AND USING OUR ARMY AND POLICE AGAIN US
Anyone stopped to consider why the wicked Liberal Democrats have been so keen to push through a bill making street trading legal without a licence so that street traders can set up any where and canvass anywhere. Here might be the answer given their love for mass immigration to the detrement of the indiginous population.
My son visited with his British partner and the partner will never come back as it is. Why allow this to happen because your poor will be out on the streets if they are not already
. . .and the government will do absolutely nothing, give all these scroungers what they want (although we haven't got the proverbial pot) and then they will say we have to build more houses (even if we have to build on green land). The time is NOW to stop this farce.
If EU regulations allow EU citizens to live in any EU country, why doesn't the EU pay their benefits?
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
Perfect of Dunfermlin- they arent making our country "greater" they are a drain on our health services, housing stock, job market and education system. For citizens that have paid contributions all their working lives into this "great" country to see it being spent on imigrants that turn up for a handout is sickening
Remember this paper you are reading are scare mongers of the highest form. Don't believe every thing you read, especially from this paper.
This spineless Government makes me sick!!!!!
Well my British counterparts, blame yourself,s for this. If you voted Labour over the past 15 years, NO excuse, you cannot even blame ignorance. If you voted Tory you just have been let down by an idiot of a so called leader. If you voted Liberal did you ohonestly think they would be better than Labour on this issue. There is only one party left and it is now even to late to make a change for the better. For the record I voted UKIP, so inpart my conscience is clear. My country has had it. THANK POLITICIANS. Another good job done.
Soon it will be a b****y offence to call yourself 'British'
stop giving housing benefit to immigants....look after our own first...simpe rule that can be applied by the government. This in blair/brown/millpedes fault.
There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. 1, we cant blame the immigrants coming here, its the system that stinks/bureaucrats/politicians etc. 2, The elite who truly run the country wants to divide and conquer us, while we are at each others throats and squabbling over the crumbs the elite give us, we will not question why the few own the world when it should be all who share the wealth. Get rid of the elite, reclaim our borders. Let only those who offer legitimate skills into the country.
Scaremongering again are we DM, What about your story on the winner of Christmas number 1? Oh you forgot ok i'll remind you. 3 days ago you stated it was neck and neck, Now the Justice Collective have out sold your golden boy James Arthur. How could it have been neck and neck on friday when we have sold more than 43,000 more copies. It seems he doesn't have the Xfactor after all ha!
LAB/COM/LIMP DIMS = DESTROYED THE UK = SOARING MEGA TAXES TO PA FOR THE MESS .
Welcome to mugs UK.
UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP..... need I say more !!
Regardless of where they come from, this country is already full no room for millions more. Time the government said 'enough is enough' How right I was to vote against joining the EU in the first place.
These are the countries I remember putting 20'p pieces in smartie tubes for when I was at school....seems funding them is continuing, except this time it is on our own soil!!
Stay put. Don't want ya.
Sadistick leaders who agree to this then go on a photo shoot with smiles looking for the next vote oblivious to the wishes of the people ...
My blood is literally boiling.
Take a good look at those pictures Britain, because that is the future Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg have decided shall be yours. UKIP seems to be the only political movement that may possibly save us from this ignominious fate. However, I fear the price we will have to pay will be terrible as the last time a party offered the salvation of a national identity it was the start of something very nasty indeed as the pendulum swung from tolerance to hatred.
Let's not be ridiculous. Bulgaria's population is 6.5 million out of which no more than 500k are gypsies. I hardly doubt they all will be interested in coming over to the UK. And worry no more! There always be benefits for the chaves!
This has to stop, so aggravating.
SORRY! Britain is closed, goodbye!
Yeah lets just take some more of the tax payers money and get them all new cars aswell!
In a word were just a free for all for all the european imigrants,how about we sort our own country out first before worrying about other countries ... work me self to the bone to provide for my family now have to help fund too feed these freeloaders..
Great i have been thinking of leaving England for a long time but this as just made my mind up for me, not staying here working 18 plus hours a day running my business just to pay Tax to give to them.
Im sick of this. I SAY "DONT LET THEM IN". Britain cant cope even with things as they are....God help us in the future.
I don't have a problem with immigration but if 29million do come in we'll all be smothered to death. They should go somewhere with more space, as if they come here we'll just get more unemployed people and more mouths to feed.
As per usual we will allow anyone to move in to this country even though we cannot look after the present population! For goodness sake, we are a tiny little island and cannot take any more. Why can't we stand up for ourselves? Oh, I get it, if we did we would be branded racist, wouldn't we. Bonkers...
This is so unfair to people like me who have moved to England to earn an honest living. I've moved from Portugal to England for a better life and I've done everything right. I pay my taxes, I'm NOT on benefits and I have a full-time job. DM is SO sensationalist, most of the foreigners I know are honest people who work for their living. Please don't put us in the same category as benefit seekers. We're so much better than that!
Vote UKIP
"But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens." >>> They are too late. We can't afford them now. There is a huge amount of space in mainland Europe that could be used to house these people if only their own governments would put in the time, money and effort. We don't have the space and we don't have the money. Already in Scotland the number of people on benefits is greater than the number of non-claimants, and the rest of the UK is not far behind. We would need to build houses for them, when many of our own people have nowhere to live, taking more and more land. These countries should not be admitted to the EU until they have sorted themselves out, and there is no way the UK should be doing that for them. If this continues I fear there will be a civil war in this country the like of which has never before been seen.
How xenophobic and racist is this article? I have no words
All the time Britain 'GIVES ' out benifits to 'NONE' contributors, this is what you will get. Everyone will get cut-backs so these people can help themselves, AND they will end up BETTER OFF than you. THIS is why we left England 8 years ago. The government might be concerned about the number of people leaving England - but they DON'T LISTEN to WHY !!!
I am shocked to read the many unkind comments here. I am sure that most people in the UK will remember that this is the season of goodwill, and prepare to welcome these romany folk warmly. I have traveled to these countries, and you could not hope to meet friendlier or more down to earth people anywhere.
The people get the government they deserve... Unfortunately, the vast majority of chavs don't care what happens as long as they have their X Factor and their benefits. The rest of the population (the middle classes) are struggling so hard to survive, that the only thing they have the energy to do is moan about life on the Daily Mail comments pages.... IF you want things to change, get up off your backsides and hold mass protests. Don't take it all lying down. This is YOUR country. Its up to YOU to march on Parliament with petitions so that the poor excuse for a conservative government has to sit up and listen. Learn from the Americans. They don't take things lying down. If you can't be bothered to change things, put up and shut up! Either that, or emigrate.
No! No! No! This cannot be allowed to happen. If this was a time of War and we were facing an invasion by people who would unacceptably change our way of life beyond recognition, we would stand up and resist. In terms of consequences, we will be at War. I will live next door to anyone who substantially believes in what I believe, who contributes in the way I have contributed to the community for over 50 years and who respects me as a neighbour as I want to respect them. That is the only way to stability, peace and harmony when we live as a goup, a community and a nation. To lose control of our borders, to hand over that control to a group of people in Brussels that I didnt vote for or want dictating to me is unacceptable. And it has already gone too far.
Same old ignorant comments I see. It's such a shame that some people are too ignorant to realise that without immigrant labour we would not be the country we are today, furthermore, our very own ancestors migrated here from faraway lands to search for a better life - hence we were lucky enough to be born here. But hey, don't let those FACTS spoil a good rant! Happy Christmas everyone!
Im being made rudundant next year, i will NOT be looking for work. After working since 1975 i figure i can put my feet up since our governments all seem to think the whole world can come here and get free houses etc etc etc. I am not going to work so as every scumbag in the world can bloodsuck, my father worked til he was 80 and was rewarded by being ignored and left to die in hospital...governments want to use you until you drop then youre in the trash.Stop being sheep and wake up.
We haven't got the land space to accommodate them, we haven't got the jobs for them, we haven't got enough tax to pay benefits for them. They WILL come here, thinking they can live off our benefits system - and they will be able to. This will turn out to be a genuine disaster for this country, which will result in massive pressure from the indigenous population to pull out of Europe. I think popularity of UKIP will increase and any party that refuses to hold a referendum on Europe is probably not going to be elected.
Fantastic article-- deeply moving. I had no idea of the extent of child slavery in the UK. Not only do you chart the potential impact on the UK but you also look at the oppression these people face in their home countries which, we should not forget, are EU members. Where is the EU in this? We abide by their legislation but why are they not acting to ensure these member states abide by the rules on equality and so on. Scandalous-- the Eurocrats should be all over this. As ever, one rule for the UK and everyone else just goes their own way
oh great !!! we are stretched as country already with not enough housing, schools and hospitals are struggling, we as a country are having to expend, costs are going up, its going back to the days of only the rich can afford certian things like cars,its going beyond the joke, the other eu countries do`nt take them in like us,so why are we still playing at being MUGS!!!
This, if true, must not be allowed to happen.
¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ Bobby George, that day is already upon us. Benefits are being cut, taxes are rising and there's still a whopping great big deficit to fill. Does ANYBODY truly think we, as a country, are in any position to accept potentially millions of unskilled, non-English-speaking, proven criminals? The Bulgarians' seem to possess this naïve belief that Britan is some sort of magical land where nobody struggles and money grows on trees... Their hopefulness for a better life reminds me very much of the Eastern Europeans who, a hundred years ago, ventured from their homelands to follow the so-called American Dream. However, what they were setting sail for was a land of opportunity where they could succeed if they were willing to work damn hard - not a Benefit in sight. EU referendum, please!
...I'm sure that this is why all the FAT CATS in this country who are now getting payouts / pensions and bonuses ect. and feathering their family nests are getting ready for when this country finally goes down and ends up as a third world nation... They will be off on the first plane to another country and get out before total anarchy sets in... Democracy - what's that all about ? - didn't we used to have something like that ?
No doubt the government will be issuing statements on the lines of "let's celebrate" while they line their pockets and make more laws to prevent criticism of mass immigration. Vote UKIP for some sanity.
Oh dear .
As an American all I can do is laugh at you Brits. Now you see why we can't give up our guns. Makes sense now doesn't it.
One way ticket to Australia please!
DM the thrust of what you say is true and your warning is timely. I know Bulgaria well.
It's Christmas - we should welcome everyone!
there is no way in this so called democratic country to protest.
I think these EU and Government freaks forget that the UK is an ISLAND! How much more space do we have to accommodate more benefit scroungers, criminals and undercutters. It's a shame because they make a bad name for the individuals who genuinely come to England for a new life, a safe country to live in which is what I am doubting about the UK in recent years. when I defected from the Soviet Union over 20 years ago, the UK didn't want former Soviets in their country, they treated us with suspicion and some contempt due to possible security breaches, now thanks to the EU, it has become the EUSSR. Maybe if the immigrants integrated into society and respected the country they live in maybe they'd be welcomed more. I remember an embarrassing moment when my mother's name was asked, Russian of course and when the person said, you're in England now luv, when in Rome (and rightly said) afterwards we Anglicized our names. These days that person would be vilified for "race descrimination"
This is ridiculous. We should open our borders where it helps. WE already have so many of our own home growns on benefits, this island is small and will not be able to take the extra drain on our resources. This is not being prejudiced against people being persecuted (well we are the Western world and want to help) BUT Europe is big, why is UK the only easy border to get into? Why cant they go anywhere else? because the other countries, namely France, Germany are clever and have STRICTER controls
.... And a merry Christmas to you too, Daily Mail....
Parfect, Dunfermline, just wait until you break free of the UK. You can have all your MPs back too. England, Wales and N.Ireland will just buckle under this sort of pressure. There are those in the E.U. who will secretly be delighted. Europe is quickly becoming the New Africa. And I am and will be, "A dense UKIP voter".
When I married my English spouse and came to the UK from the US, got a job, started paying taxes and NI straight away, my entry clearance and subsequent indefinite leave to remain stamp said "without recourse to public funds". Which means although I had the right to stay based on marriage to a UK citizen, I did not have the right to benefits and have not claimed any at all for the 13 years I have been here contributing to society. Before anybody red arrows me for immigrating to here I also have recent English ancestry as well and am now a British citizen. The problem with open door policy and giving benefits to all and sundry is that the money doesn't stay in the UK for the most part, it goes back to the originating country to pay for their families there.
What we need more desperately than anything is a change in benefits/housing policies. We do not give benefits of any kind to anyone who comes here from europe as they must have the potential to earn their own. For those who do get them now they must be halved and if they cannot speak english then until they do they get nothing. The are not entitled to our social housing. They must be able to afford to rent their own houses. Harsh? Yes but this country is sinking under immigrants who contribute nothing to our country yet seem to get priority to every benefit going, no questions asked. We can't afford any more immigrants in £'s, houses, jobs, ground space. So for god's sake Cameron do something now before we sink under the amount of immigrants wanting to come here. We need to make it so that when they talk of Britain its to say 'we can't go there we don't get anything anymore'. We are turning into the equivalent of a rubbish tip. It cannot be allowed to happen.
I can understand they are poor but why they do live in a such mess? They seem throwing around all the waste. They have no money and jobs so they have some time to collect all the things in one place.
I for one am looking forward to sharing our countries immense wealth with these Gypsies. I want to work an extra day a week to pay for them the poor mites. Never mind about my pension or benefits I've bought through 40 years of graft - give our money to these parasites please so i can be destitute in my dotage. Tony Blair new labour are the culprits - every one of them should be prosecuted for the willfull mismanagement of a whole country. I hope they get what they deserve but it doesn't seem likely so we will just have to pay the bill as usual. And by the way to the fool who hopes Scotalnd gets independence with any luick.... The english have been praying for that for years - at least that way all those parasites coming from eastern europe will just be replacing parasites we grew ourselves.
If anyone reading this is still voting for Tories, labour or lib dems then you's are part to blame for this, it's pointless complaining if you had a hand in getting these idiots into power, we knew about the problem of immigration years ago but people carried on voting labour or Tories! Well hope your proud of yourselves. UKIP is the only way we can start and get control of our country back, we need to stand up to the euro bullies and say enough is enough we re not going to throw money at immigrants no more so pointless coming to Britain for an easy life! We're full sorry! The EU is a joke, done nothing for Europe!
.Hey SHANN IN BARCELONA, WHO LOVES WATCHING ENGLAND IMPLODE! Muppett, Spain has ten times more Romanians living there than the UK and its more likely they prefer to live in Spain for all its problems, so Barcelona will be high on their destination list because of rich pickings and a nice warm climate. I can hear them all singing were off to sunny Spain Viva Espana in the slums of Bucherest and Sofia now!
these people surely have no rights as to claim benefits when coming here, after all, they've paid nothing in.
The Madness of UK will complete, It will not be the country yourFathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers faught for. If Cameron cant stop this madness the GET OUT and lets have someone who can, before bankrupcy and racial divisions explode
And crime rates will rise in Britain and the government will wonder why! I'd like to know how joining the EU has made Britain a better country, my experience is that crime has one up, parts of Britain are now no go areas and jobs are hard to come by. Welcome to this mess we call Britain.
It's really depressing reading the top rated comments. You people are just so miserable. I sometimes think the country you're talking about must be a different one to the one I live in as the descriptions are just so different. Yes there are many immigrants around but all the ones I speak to on a daily basis are lovely, hard working people full of life and happy. The only miserable, sponging people I know are single white mothers puffing on their fags and cluttering up the tables at the local Costa's all day. The amount of comments from people who have moved from the UK to the US sums it up really. If you really think that the way the US treats it lower paid citizens is the moral way to live then I'm glad you've left this country. Leave it to those of us who want to help people who help themselves rather than putting them down.
Please everybody, vote for Nigel Farrell but I fear it will be too late for him to put it right. Where on earth is this country going I as my self.
We should go to Romania when they all come here as weather is better people are less miserable than here as well!
Remind them to bring their own tents because we've got no housing to spare; they'll certainly have their own begging bowls.
once they are here that's it they will be here to stay.and the government just bang on about gay marriage and "Plebgate". FOR GOD's SAKE WAKE UP DAVE AND DO SOMETHING.
Surely we cannot afford the subsidies any longer. We are going to drown very soon.
More votes for NuLab.
...I'm sure that this is why all the FAT CATS in this country who are now getting payouts / pensions and bonuses ect. and feathering their family nests are getting ready for when this country finally goes down and ends up as a third world nation... They will be off on the first plane to another country and get out before total anarchy sets in... Democracy - what's that all about ? - didn't we used to have something like that ?
UKIP
See the pictures of the slums and wasteland they now live in .... well that will be Britain in 10years time!
Is UKIP the only answer???
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash! - Tesa, Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 1:13 I didn't realise that Australia was part of the EU. Where do you pay your taxes ?
If you were not born here you should not be entitled to benefits and should not be allowed in. Why should we subsidise people from countries who can't be bothered to look after their own? Of course we will let these wasters and criminals in, the benefit/NHS bill will rocket whilst the government reduces the number of doctors, nurses, police officers and border agency staff to make the books balance.
And anyone who dares to complain about our already overburdened utilities, housing , schools hospitals etc will be branded a rascist because after all it is the bloody foreigners yewman rites. Innit. So much for multiculturalism, what happened to our rights.Cries of " England for the English" will get YOU arrested by the hate and thought police now. Come the riots and it will all be our fault. Look what happened in the States in the 60s-70-80s.
Politicians don't tell us it won't happen it will, the question what can we do in less than 12 months to stop it, because after that it is irreversible. Our country is full, we don't have enough housing or jobs for our own young people and the tax payers can no longer carry on paying for the over generous benefits system.
See the pictures of the slums and wasteland they now live in .... well that will be Britain in 10years time!
Now is the time to leave the EEC and close our boarders!
Daily Mail spreading its message of love as usual
VOTE UKIP, because if they don't get in and end this madness, then the UK is royally screwed.
Makes me wonder why Brits ( and other foreigners ) buy property there !
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! - Luke, England, United Kingdom-----We aren't signatories to the Schengen agreement and no the French haven't torn it up. But no, we shouldn't allow people to come here unless they can support themselves for two years without claiming benefits.
this is blairs fault.if cameron wants to get in the next time then he had better stop it now.
I don't think they will be coming here! because if Cameron etc have not got our borders secure by 2014 god help them.
It's simple, just make people pay into the system for 5 years before they an claim from it
If we were out of the EU we would not have to suffer this- Joe 90, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 10:02................. when did the Indian sub continent, Africa or Asia join thje EU then? - for that is where the majority of immigrants into the UK come from! If the UK stopped giving 'free money'to those who have not or have never contributed - like almost every other EU country - then why would anybody want to come to the UK!
Wow What a shame i am Bulgarian and i am from Sofia....where are the real bulgarians?Gypsies here are favoured believe me...this is not Bulgaria....we are not all thieves and so on...
When will this government listen to the people we need to get out of the EU NOW I agree with "Grandma from Brighton" i went to live in Spain, jobs are given Spaniards first , no help in benifits, and if you go to the local Doctors or Hospital you are told to bring an interpreter with you, OH No not in UK this is all given freely. Get real I often wonder what our Queen thinks when she sees her country rapidly changing and more forgeiners living here than the British for that is what is happening. Mr Cameron if you don't do something quickly UKIP will win the next election.
Oh no!!!!!
It is time for all of us; every man and woman of UK citizenship, to lobby our MP's and to take the trouble to write personally to the PM's office; we have to protest this as one voice. Please do it today, not tomorrow or next week; we have to stop these people coming here, and the only way to do that is to leave the EU. Write to the Pm NOW !
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF EU before we drown ourselves with people from other countries. !!!!!
Time to only allow immigrants who have a job lined up before entry, and tell the EU to stick their rules where the sun don't shine IMHO.
Enough. This actually frightens me. My daughter s future is bleak. Please everyone vote UKIP put a stop to this...
More and more foreigners moving in and more and more brits moving out.
I'm off!!!!
Where is the fairness in this Cameron? You are cutting spending at every level for us yet feel the need to give as much as you can to foreigners who have contributed nothing here. I thought you were sent to save us from the excesses of the Labour party but in reality you are giving us more of the same.
Wake up Cameron your getting the boot anyway might as well do some good before you go or you can turn the lights out as you leave.
Clearly the DM needs to publish in Romanian and Bulgarian, and hand out free issues to everyone in those countries. It is bound to put these foreigners off the idea of coming to Britain as Britain will appear to be fully occupied by racists, spongers and violent criminals.
Excellent! More people who will be happy to work in the service industry. And no doubt they'll do a fine job of it. Bring it on!
It has long been time for benefits to be linked to contributions made, for anyone who claims these charitable payments... they are not a right. Maybe now there will be impetus to bring some justice into the system. In the absence of that, payments for benefits from people not of birth in this country should be paid for by their countries of origin, or not at all.
Whats this going to do to your figures Mr. Osbourne Stop it now. We British are so overtaxed now. We cannot afford anymore
Perhaps Europe are hoping that Britain breaks into Unrest and Civil War, so that they can send in the troops and neuter any chance of a Referendum. They are going about it in the right way. - Gordon Webster, Dundee, 24/12/2012 8:37................................Ah ha!.....you've spotted their cunning plan then.
Bloody madness, and cameron says he cant do anything to stop it, Well If He cant then "GET OUT OF THE JOB"
I live in Bulgaria and I see exactly what is happening. The DM article is true even though it exaggerates the volume of people that may head for Britain. You DO definitely need to worry about the Roma as stated in the article. They are lining up to head for the UK, to get a free ride because they know they can. They are all talking about it now saying Britain is easy and soft. If you don't do something now you will seriously regret it. The same is true of Romania, exactly the same situation there and many more of them. You have one year to get this sorted. Do something now. This is not racism, this is realism. The UK can't afford for this to happen. The UK Government, councils etc are far too tolerant. If nothing is done and these rules are not reversed the British taxpayer will have to keep these people, which will breed resentment and hatred in the indigenous population. People who were never racist before, will become so, and its not the Roma's fault, its the Governments fault.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams , Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Perhaps this is an invitation for Australia to be the new savanna! To Australia House, c/o T S Williams there are 29 million people willing to share Australia's wealth, open your borders now.
we have in this country passed and present Weak, Brainless, with Lack of foresight Governments which has brought this once Great Country down........God help us.
If they are gypsies surely there aren't enough supermarket car parks and playing fields for them to park in is there ??????
Put Tony Blair in the dock, strip him of his assets and his free 24hr security. Give his money as compensation to the poor folk who are victims of crime carried out by some of the immigrants who have entered and soon to enter this (once) great country of ours due to his New Labour's perverted social engineering policies. Cameron, the bullying wimp will do nothing and will then blame his coalition partners for preventing him doing so. Bring it on Nigel - UKIP gets my vote.
Read on BBC "Norway's foreign minister has urged the UK to assess the advantages of staying in the European Union, rather than consider leaving."==> sorry Mr. Eidi we want to out from EU NOW!!!! DM, where are my 2 comments I made at around midnight and early morning? Did I tell the truth to Mrs. May, to look after the Border Agency? We should make petition about this now. anyone know how to make it? and please sign the petition.
I suppose they all can speak ENGLISH........and Understand the Rules on Jobseekers allowance....You listening IDS....with your un-christian ideals behind your Draconian Sanctions aimed at The UK born unemployed....oh' no you will bend over backwards to help them.....Lets start with housing them and giving the free handouts in your constituancy and preferably in your Back yard.
Its disgraceful to think i work hard, and a big cut of the money i work hard for goes to such people like this,
I feel for these people.... This country is said to be a democracy... I want my voice heard. Europe is trying to invade/control us, with their policies (who needs war - they've won already). Does the EU know just how small the UK is in terms of land mass. Everyone will pretend everything is ok, the working classes will all end up living in high rise flats (to maintain the green belts - just like Manila/Philippines, just noise and people everywhere .....PLEASE Mr Cameron the consequences of no action now, will be a disaster on an epic scale. UKIP you have my vote. I WANT OUT OF EUROPE..... Debra - Plymouth
DM - can you also run a feature on Italians/French/Germans moving to England and claiming they're from Romania in order to get housing and benefits? Britain doesn't just have a problem with Nigerians, Romanians, Polish etc. EVERYONE is taking the country for a ride.
So why don't you cheer us up for Christmas DM. Besides, half of Eastern Europe is here already - claiming benefits. Meanwhile the indigenous hospitalised elderly, who've worked and paid taxes all their lives, are subjected to the Liverpool Care Pathway (methodical euthanasia) to save the NHS money. The only solution is to ditch the EU and close our borders now.
It's gypsy.. Not gipsy :/
Immagrations been a problem for years for the British people, every political party as promised to sort in out and they haven't, now were going to let in all these undesirables, the goverment should be protecting so should not let these people in, if they cannot suport themselves they should not be here,
More scrum we will have to put up with, as if we don't have enough scum here now.
Wait till Labour get in 29 million will be their first years intake they will be thinking 29 million votes, wow.
"And where on earth are they supposed to go. There aren`t enough jobs to go round now [all supposing they would want to work] and not enough houses either." I dread to think what's going to happen if New Liebour get in at the next election - they are almost certain to pass legislation forcing homeowners with spare bedrooms to submit to compulsory billeting of homeless migrants - just wait and see what THAT does to your home contents insurance! - and if you go away on holiday, don't be surprised when you return to find the migrants - and your possessions - GONE!
As Mr Blair said, how wonderful is multiculturalism to the UK ! God help us.
So poor that I'm wearing an Adidas track suit in the last pic???
Just imagine the health problems they will bring with them too........all that child care, education , health and housing benefits....all FREE !! While our own pesnioners have to PAY for their care! DISGRACEFUL.......close our borders at once !
If I was a young man now, I'd emigrate. This will just overload the country. The toxic combination of the EU and liberal governments (I use the term loosely and it currently applies to the Tories too) has been the ruination of this country. The best I can do now is give my vote to the only party that seems to give a toss what the electorate want: UKIP. That's after 35 years Conservative - a party I cannot recognize any more.
I fear for my family. UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote UKIP, they are the only ones who will begin to start capping/controlling this. Also have to agree Mesaman25 - we desperately need an in/out referendum on EU membership, we will never get one though as I think the government know what the response will be. This country is in a mess
The ONCE GREAT BRITAIN and the genuine British people are in great peril! Your heritage is being given away minute by minute! not even day by day ! Wake up! STOP IT! Stop the rot ! while you can still save something British for your future Generations! what is wrong with the voters in your Country? Soon British will be totally outnumbered and not even count as a Vote ! MOST of your immigrants are not interested in become British and adopting British Society,culture,language and religion. Some even hate your guts and are planning your destruction and destruction of your heritage and culture daily. They are there for the benefits and YOU are loosing out and paying !! Are you people going to immigrate then to the slums mentioned here ?
Nations are supposed to be a set level before being let into the EU, now there just letting them in regardless, and using the rich nations to pay to get them up to speed. Time to dump this shower, we have our own needy to sort out. We did'nt leave the East Europeans desolate, the Russians left the East Europeans desolate, let them pay for them.
I thought they were already here!
What would Jesus do ?
No mention by the bbc, daily mail or anyone else on who is going to dig out all the new canals and reservoirs to store all the flood water which is now happening 4/5 times a year. We will probably need these people to do it because the Brits are to lazy.
The Government realise that this is an island.... standing room only!
Oh great, another great disaster from the giant UK horror of EC membership. Pay through the nse to subsidise French and German amateur one-cow farmers and Spanish road infrastructure, take in all the itinerant of Europe coming here for free benefits and housing, and next experience an explosion of petty crime by hardcore foreign criminals. Good one Theresa May!
No, no, no, no, no! How many more people, who add nothing to the country, are we expected to pay for? Where will they live. This island of ours will sink with the weight of them all before long. Stop it NOW! Please.
Xenophobia rules - apparently OK by the DM!!!
Kev the cycnic 08.45 Kev, there is a way but none of our elite have the balls because it really doesn't affect them. Free Movement rules are ONLY available to those that can come here without recourse to ANY benefits,etc. This is laid down in law already, but not enforced. A little hard to when stupidly lots of Immigration staff have been made redundant, funny that (not). We don't have to let them in if they can't support themselves completely, but the elite will tell you that they have no choice, but they do, they choose not to rigidly enforce the law. It is us that suffer in the end and they don't care as they have their pensions, their homes (and second ones), get treated in the best hospitals,etc whilst our infrastructure falls apart. and it becomes Dog eat Dog for the rest of the population for even the basic right to anything and what we do have being cut.
However, the words that come through and through from what these people are saying is that Britain does NOT discriminate and that they feel they will be treated fairly and given a chance so that they can get jobs and provide for their families. This is something Britain should be PROUD of. That says a lot about British people. If only the rest of Europe had those values!!!!
It wasn't the Tory Government that signed up to this ridiculous arrangement, it was the Labour Government - God, peoples memories are short..... There is no point laying the blame at Cameron's door - perhaps those who voted for Labour should think more astutely about where they put their cross next time around - Ed & Ed et al made a right pickle of this country..., so there is little point complaining now because that horse has bolted! What Cameron should do is attempt to limit or undo what Ed and his pals have created...
We have a year to stop this happening ! To save Great Britain!
There's nothing great about Britain anymore.
Was frist Labour and now this - single word - NO Oh, and YES to UKIP - from life long Conv. voter No point in goverment going on about trade with EU when, as somebody else pointed out, there are no houses (and YES I prefer our "green and pleasant land" not concrete, asphalt and blockwork everywhere) and all the trade profit goes in welfare payments to support those that have never contributed to our welfare fund.. AND - why not limit ALL the welfare payments for all immigrants to be at the same level as they received in their home country until they have had a full time TAX PAID (ie: not black cash) job for 5 years? ENOUGH...
Why were these countries invited to join the EU? They have nothing to offer and will only take huge amounts of the EU budget giving nothing in return.
the bottom of the barrel has been reached .- steven smith, southampton, 24/12/2012 8:45 +++++++ I think you find that the barrel is overflowing.
Do these people know about Iain Duncan Smith? Someone should tell them - they'd stay at home!!!
Don't worry Bobby this government will never run out of money, they will just put the price of our fuel and tax up to accommodate you. Soon we will all be on benefits.
Its time human being realised we are all citizens of the world not a country. They are people just the same as the rest of us. They deserve just as much. Just because your born into poverty doesn't mean you can't strive for more. Happy Christmas to ALL men. Have a bit of compassion people. - Loobietoones, Alacante, 24/12/2012 08:59 I agree but you must realise that we and in a very long recession and there isn't enough money in the pot as it is. And harsh though it may sound, we don't need another influx of people who know they will be living on benefits because they won't be given a job.
I do NOT want to look after them....,When is somebody going to listen to the British population in this country? I have my own family to take care of..No wonder the lesser liked political parties are quietly growing...so much unrest and bad feeling going on..just have to sit in a room where I work and listen to the workforce..We are all fed up with being the laughing stock of the world...
Thanks Blair..
I don't see any problem with this, Eastern Europeans are harder workers than most Brits in my opinion - and they are cheaper. Let them in.
Things cannot get much worse in this country.... our politicians are failing us.
People think by voting for UKIP that this would not happen. The truth is that if they did win enogh seats to beat the Lib Dems ,they might form a coalision with one of the other partys like the lib/dems did, promise the earth, and turn their back on all of their policys. The EU is awash with money for those at the top, and if you think they will want to get rid of it, you would be fooling yourself, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. Even if Mr Farage does not like the EU , Ibet you dont see him ever handing back some of his big,fat pay check from them?
This isn't the EU we joined and we should get out of it fast. This country has been ruined. What is the point of trying to better your self if anyone can come and take it.
What a cheery Christmas message from the DM to help everyone through the Christmas period with a smile on their face! Ha. Typical mail spreading fear and xenophobia. Happy Christmas. Don't forget- its the end of the world today, we're being taken over by immigrants, gay people will soon be getting married in your front room, the fat cats are stealing all your money and Imogen Thomas is having triplets.
ON NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
STOP THE BENEFITS, THEY WON'T COME, if government want to watch the destruction of UK, they can just sit back and do nothing
Well if thats not a good reason for getting out of Europe then nothing is,we cant even look after our own people properly..vote UKIP i say..
Wonderful news. Blairs' final timebomb. More Miliband voters on the way. Has Miliband made any comment yet? Doubt if there'll be a peep out of him. Rain check: there's nothing in the rules that says can't charge them an entry fee. Say a £1billion per person..
where will they be housed?
The poor from the East might leave all around Europe, not only to Britain. - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 8:45 ++++++++++++ I don't think so though, do you?
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion! - Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 0:00 It's nothing to do with birthplace. We're a tiny country - WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE LEFT!
Dude this is brilliant. I can't wait to see them riding those horses down our street. It will be funny to see the expressions on the faces of the stuffy Brits when this happens.
It does seem a bit of a contradiction when people who have emigrated FROM Britain to get a better life are complaining about immigration TO Britain for the same reason. Surely you are immigrants to the country you have moved to. Make up your minds whether you agree with migration or not.
I'm packing my bags and heading for NZ this year ! I'm not wasting anymore of my hard earned cash supporting the welfare system !
Nigel farange we need you
For Pities sake Cameron the situation is nigh on unsustainable - Grow some and pull us out of the EU - NOW!!!
Instead of putting the world to rights on a message forum, how about doing something tangible in regards to this ceaseless immigration? Stop making lame wisecracks and face up to this very real threat! Anyone who thinks immigration is a good thing is totally imbecilic - though ironically those who see through its evils are described as evil, moustache-twiddling neo-Nazi racists. Well what's more racist than welcoming the eventual end of your own people in your own homeland?? Don't blame them for coming, blame yourselves for being so gutless to allow it - and the fact that you continually vote for those that instigate such things through their own gutlessness.
- Loobietoones, Alacante, 24/12/2012 There are enough native benefit scroungers in this country without those from other countries, who have contributed ZERO to this nation's coffees, claiming benefits which we simply cannot afford.
The Government does not care about this. It will be the final part of their master plan to dismantle the welfare state. Oh we can't afford it any more they will say. Also you can say goodbye to the NHS.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them. - T S Williams, Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 Perhaps your country could take them, no, thought not. Don't you cast them adrift in their boats when they try to enter your country?
I cannot blame them for wanting to come and claim the benefits that are available in the UK. I would too if I were in their position. The blame lays fairly and squarely on the EU and its politicians. They wanted to create an empire, they act as roman senators, wining and dining, and claiming huge salaries and expenses when, basically, they are clueless to what is actually happening. Unfortunately, Europe has become like the Roman Empire, except that it is controlled from Brussels and Strasbourg, however, we all know what happened to the Roman Empire, and all other Empires.
God help you all. I am all for helping people out, but you need to be trying to bring them up to your level, but this change in legislation will just drag you down to theirs. Any country in the civilised world must have good border control, or chaos will follow.
This headline alone should be enough to make us leave the EU
So people who aren't even british are entitled to benefits but many people who were born in this country aren't? Yeah, 'cause thats fair. Looks like it's time to move out of Britain!
Dear DM, Please inform yourself before publishing such type of article!!. First of all you must know that currently Romania has a population of 19 millions and Bulgaria 7 millions and thus you can write about a total of 26 millions people wanting to immigrate in your "beloved " Great Britain. In my opinion you can really use either journalism lessons or math lessons. However, the most important thing I want to emphasize as a proud Romanian citizen is that Romania is NOT equal to the gipsy minority that unfortunately was born in this country. Nowadays, the gipsy minority is of ONLY 619 000 thousands - 3.2% from the total Romanian population. The rest of us work really hard in order to sustain ourselves and our families and we are not dreaming of receiving free allowances from you. At last but not at least, please do not show only such type of miserable pictures, both Romania and Bulgaria are beautiful countries.
There is an important, sensible debate to be held about immigration. This factually incorrect and inflammatory article (deliberately so?) does not contribute to it. For example: Migrants from EEA countries cannot claim unemployment benefit if they are not a dependent of someone in work.
'there's nothing for my people here' well guess what there's nothing for us here either, no jobs, no housing....The government need to look after their own first
All part of the plan, this country was finished years ago and you think that any of the mainstream opartys are gonna do something i dont think so and if you think ukip are going to get in your mistaken because so many people will vote for the one party state to keep it in. i dont think ukip will make a difference anyway.
Looking at where they come from, I don't blame them! I'd want to escape ASAP as well!
Bring it on!!!!!! UKIP ASAP
Kev the cynic 08 47............................. I know Qatada is a reptile, but if I was forced to choose I'd rather have him in the country than Tony Blair.
We have been sold down the river by successive government, destroy this Brussels pig trough.
Glad you can stoke the fire DM.....dont see you putting up a fight to save at least what we have got left??
Since the DM refuses to publish my true feelings about this, I'd just like to say. Did anyone get asked or whether to vote for this? If not then why are the three main parties acting without any political mandate from the British electorate.
Everybody gets so wound up over this.Its simples it will crash the lot just what many POLITICIANS WOULD LIKE NO NHS (or very poor quality)no houses no schools and of course no integration.Thet already stand out like a sore thumb and as or those ignorant saying send them to Scotland as it is,our deepest in the Hghlands banks have been scammed.(a friend has said) so wise up we all get our fair share.All I can say is hang on to your bags and enjoy the imcompetance of T Bair AND THE TORIES FOR FAILING TO EITHER STOP IT OR TAKE ALL COSTS OF OUR EU BUDGET AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE END.
Well at least ill be able to get a cheap house cleaner and builder !
You are aware that 'gypsy' is a racial slur in some quarters, DM?
They're on their way to Britain. Gee... I can already see the excitement on the faces of the British people!!!!! This is the classic situation of a country having given up on border security and controlled immigration. But I'll say this ... this sort of nonsense is going to continue until the day the British people get off their sofas and start protesting all over the nation... that enough is enough!
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY! This is why she signed the EU treaties not only for the farm subsidies but for the cheap labour. The royals are immigrants themselves so they aren't bothered about the ethnic brits.
It's not just because they aren't British.. It's also the fact that we are fed up of our taxes being swallowed up by people claiming benefits!! I am fed up of working so others don't have to.. And it's now becoming a joke that thousands of non British people will be coming and getting benefits handed to them on a plate. Paid for by me and others working!
leave the European union now
our government needs shooting and someone needs to blow up the channel tunnel the worst thing they ever built they might aswell put a walk way through it for the asylum seekers.
Given the state of the once great country, given the way we have been shaffted by successive government's of whatever colour, I can only say - if I were young enough I would emigrate. The sheople in this country needs to stop watching reality TV programmes and get off their couches and start fighting for their jobs and their rights.....but then most of those are living on benefits anyway!
These people are NOT our problem. Their issues are theirs to sort out with their own countries. Things are difficult enough for UK-born people without being told that we are responsible for anyone and everyone. Let's get this country sorted out BEFORE allowing ANY of these Romanians, Bulgarians or any others in
UKIP is our only saviour. All the other parties have let the people of the UK down over several decades, they are all stupid enough to think that the great British public will not vent their anger. Completely stop immigration now that is the only option if you want to have a chance in the next general election.
HA HA HA! They know all about our politics already! ----------------¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿
at best they will get £26000 surely that will stop them coming
And the most laughable if not Hilarious part of this story is that bulgaria has a population of 7.5 Million, Romania 32 Million and the reporters genuinely expect the gullible readers to believe that almost ALL of the population of these 2 countries are going to move to the UK in 12 months time. How Pathetic it's scaremongering at its worst
The British are too polite too protest unlike our Neighbours. We'd rather put head in sand, make a brew , put feet up to watch soaps/ reality tv or log onto mail online and comment about the size of Kim Kardishan's bottom or what god's name the middleton sisters are wearing ..................................................................................................................................................
Merry Christmas Call Me Dave - the most useless Prime Minister is living memory.
We're going to hell in a handcart pulled by our legally elected representatives who are not interested in the will or welfare of the British people and they are following their own agenda.
Out of EU that's the only to avoid this future mess. Cameron wakew up,let's have a referendum, in order to be preoud of beenig BRITISH. - Giulioggg , Newcastle upon Tyne, Italy, 24/12/2012 08:48 < That would carry more weight if you had learned how to spell.
"........... have neatly exploited a gaping loophole in the EU rules. It allows Bulgarians and Romanians claiming to be self-employed to get a British national insurance number and a raft of hand-outs............" Please folks, the only thing that the EU has allowed is the free movement of people - the same freedom that allows Britains to live elsewhere. The real loophole is that Britain - unlike 23 of the other 27 countries allows Bulgarians et al to claim benefits. The problem is the British benefits system, not the EU. Whilst UK benefits might have been appropriate for 1940's - 1970's where generally there was not a massive movement of population - it certainly is not appropriate for the 21st century global movement of people - all of whom want to better themselves - and where better to do it than in the UK with all this free money that you did not have to contribute anything to get! And remember - most immigrants to the UK come from OUTSIDE THE EU!
This is really frightening The EU will ruin this country and all that our father's and grandfathers have fought for will be given away What was the point of the 1st and 2nd World War when the unelected bureucrats can decide what happens in the UK Open your eyes and demand a REFERENDUM on the EU NOW before it is too late
Always good to see Luton get a mention. The councils Love Luton policy must be working.
once again, give thanks to the old firm- blair & brown.
Eventually so many people will leave this country and I tell you now it will be the people paying these stupid benefits
"It does worry me more for my children . Where will these people live ? What about schools .N.H.S how will they all cope ? There will be more people not working than there are working A bet none of these people will be living on a street any M.PS live on I will vote UKIP next time but sadley i think it will be two late .Next will be turkey how can this island cope? - deebee, swansea, 24/12/2012 8:34" Check your statistics: there are more Brits of working age on the dole than in work. Brits who are well educated and better able to do jobs thana lot of the immigrants who get the work.
The only reason Tony Blair Signed up to the expansion of the EU was so that his capilist friends can exploit the eastern europian countries to the full, and buy very cheap land, for farming and building on,whilst us "Plebs"have to put up with the massive overcrowding,the stealing,and the large tax rises to cover all the extra services and social benifets required to support such a large influx of unemplyable migrants.
That will increase the population by a third - benefits paid out by an unthinkable amount, just what is the EU and our Govt going to do? If they don't stop this in its tracks there will be worse than anarchy, and our country will look similar to the one pictured above
Why don't we all go to Romania and Bulgaria, cheap housing and turn the country around as we did with GB now there's a plan
Such a joke they are making of Britain, I love the UK but am glad I have the option of returning to Australia. It's not fair that the British have to put up with this.
All to do wit benefits. Offer free healthcare, a decent home and money on top of that, why would anyone NOT come here?
Your comments: My hard earned wage is not going towards paying for these people to scrounge off us in the UK. CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW. Stop building new houses for migrants or immigrants. No British jobs for migrants or immigrants. We need to act now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm from Barcelona and I live in the UK because my husband is English. I work full time and pay my taxes. However, thanks to the scum that Britain allows stay and claim your benefits, I am victim of xenophobia in many places when they see I'm not English.
The UK can kiss goodbye to my engineering degree and 10 years exp. with any luck Scotland will get independence and actually do something about the wretched eu - Les , Perth, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:50 ***We've also kissed goodbye to your negative attitude and arrogance!
Those who let this happen cant moan if the british people turn to the BNP because this will be the straw that breaks the camels back, britain is becoming a cesspit and as far as i can see extremism is the only thing that can save us now.
I think that all these people should be sent to Poland. The Polish love the EU so it's time they got a taste of what being "european" really means.
how do we not get a say in this, where they gonna live, how they gonna live, surely the government cant let this happen, oh wait there useless.....
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 It's not politically correct to protest you are labelled as racist if you speak out. Britain is not the great free country it wants the world to think it is.
Bring them all, and good luck to them! Lets face it we would all do the same in their situation. The blame for all open door policy rests squarely with our inept, weak, self serving politicians. They all have a hand in allowing so called "controlled" immigration whatever party is in power. Where is the level playing field Mr Cameron, comparing our open door, tolerant, happy to have anyone, Country and Eastern Europe, I do not see our unemployed, employed, or however looking for a better life in Bulgaria etc. This Country has lost it identity and filling up fast. So Bobby Georgiev or whatever his real name actually is, you are correct, fill "your Boots" on our generous benefits, and even send some home for ones don't want to come. All us UK tax payers like funding houses in Eastern Europe.
If we let in another flood of EU scroungers to claim OUR benefits then this will be the final straw for many people. We pay our taxes to support all the services for UK people. Benefits were designed as a safety net for OUR, elderly, sick and needy, NOT as a free for all for every migrant, asylum seeker and illegal immigrant to milk the system. This has to stop now and if I means us leaving the EU, then so be it.
Just shows what a total failure the EU is with these unfortunate people living in abject poverty. The only benefit to Bulgaria and Romania is that they can offload their people onto our benefits system.
Imagine seeing that horse and carriage going down the M1.
Thats great- the Poles smothered the high noses of the Brit builders. Hope the Romanians and Bulgarians do something about some of the other trades that are extortionately expensive in a global perspective.
Welcoming mass migration to our soft-touch country works right up until the point that we are overwhelmed with them and have overcrowding, lack of jobs, huge public debt, crime and so forth. I think any honest politicians have noticed that we reached that point ages ago. If they can't stop this it is sadly inevitable that some sort of civil war will break out. Once our country is decimated and impoverished it might be us that are begging on the streets of Brussels or living in a shanty town near Strasbourg washing dishes for 2 euros a week.
we are full, go away!!
they probably already have 5 council houses anyway...
They are all very very welcome.
This is just scaremongering at it best! How could we possibly take in this many and house, educate, treat medically and give benefits on top, when we are already struggling with jobs, paying our bills, the NHS and Benefit payments? Can anyone tell me why any of us would want to work to pay for all this when we could all just sit back and do what the rest do, claim, claim, claim?
If this is true why should we have to pay benefits to them they did not contribute to the system? Also it gives Cameron the backtracker one year to get us out of Europe as the majority want.,
"Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks. - Captain Gas, Bristol, 24/12/2012 8:35" cCOMPLETE RUBBISH - CAMERON HAS HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP & DO SOMETHING. BUT HE HASN'T - SHAME!
EU rules say they must be allowed into open house UK meanwhile the great twiddling of thumbs and no action at all by europhiles Cameron and chums goes on
Disgusting its not a free for all STOP immigration we can't kept letting people in this country and economy, tax payers and unemployed British born people can't take it any more !!!
Cameron - Britain is already full - thanks to Labour. And your own stubborn attachment to the EU will be your downfall, the downfall of your wretched government and the downfall of this once great nation. Vote UKIP
Makes you realise just how lucky you are doesnt it.
This sickens me.
This is ridiculous !
It's Christmas Eve morning, just read this article and feel really stressed now! Think I'll go back to bed, as the thought of all those spongers coming over and ruining what's left of our country has just made me feel ILL!
God help us!!!!
If we let in another flood of EU scroungers to claim OUR benefits then this will be the final straw for many people. We pay our taxes to support all the services for UK people. Benefits were designed as a safety net for OUR, elderly, sick and needy, NOT as a free for all for every migrant, asylum seeker and illegal immigrant to milk the system. This has to stop now and if I means us leaving the EU, then so be it.
THE BEGINING OF THE END----THINK UKIP ---THINK UKIP---I'M 68---WE HAD THE BEST YEARS
How can our government do this to us???
Your icomments:its time Britain got out of europe this country will be bankrupt if we do not close our borders just like labour this tory government are making the same mistake on immigration and europe its a disaster for this country
I cannot believe that there are people on here ignorant enough to welcome this! This insanity has to stop, before this country is completely destroyed, because when that happens, all of these people can move on. If the Government are too spineless to stop this, they should stand down, as they are not fit for purpose. Long term, this is the most dangerous thing that could happen to OUR contry!
Enjoy England. Luckily, I left years ago. It's yours now.
God help us. We're overcrowded as it is, and under-resourced. Think of the effects this will have on our already overstretched NHS, dentists, schools, housing. It doesn't make any sense. I asked myself why do these people want to come here, then realised that our government prefers to give welfare benefits to immigrants and withholds it from our own people.
Shut the bloody door and pull out of the EC - VOTE UKIP! If that makes me racist......well tough!
We give billions a year in international aid. We should help them in their own countries rather than allow a further exodus to the UK. This will all end in bloodshed if it's not stopped.
I accepted long ago the Britain I grew up in as a child was long gone.We have given our Country away without as much as a backward glance.I blame the politicians for getting us into this predicament, its ok for them cushioned in their fancy houses they should try living in a normal town.Before anybody suggests I am predjudiced then yes I guess I am for wanting some consideration to be given to native born Brits.
WHY FOR GOODNESS SAKE???!!! This country has had it. It's rubbish.
First deliberately set out to create a problem for political gain and then lay the blame elsewhere; whilst at the same time promising to aleviate the distress by spending your money on jobs for their friends in the caring sector and thereby create the revolution of division within the indigenous population. Lovely jubbly is the true legacy of Tony Belair & Chums of the Old Liebour Party.
No wonder EU wants to keep UK in the EU. Sorry we wanted OUT NOW!!!!
In the season of goodwill to all Men (unless you are from Romania or Bulgaria it seems) we are faced with an invasion of poor human beings that are less fortunate than ourselves. We should we share our prosperity with them? After all they are foreigners, and as such don't deserve any of the luxuries we have (like food, warmth, sanitation, free world class health care, education and decent housing) Let them stay in the squalor they obviously deserve! What has happened to us? We make judgements about people based on where they were born and the colour of their skin. I am ashamed sometimes. Oh and Merry Christmas.
You will have to do something about it,the government never will do anything without the effusion of blood,thats the truth,its your country fight for it or lose it.
Vote UKIP
Oh my god. I can't wait to get out of this country. As soon as I become a chartered accountant I'm heading for Australia, where they only let in people who can contribute to their country - EXACTLY what we should have been doing. Well done labour for opening the floodgates to people who think Britain is a happy rosy place to live, they will have a wake-up call when they get here and discover we do discriminate after all!
Great more man united fans!!!! :(
I think that we should be honest with the Romanians and Bulgarians: the UK is destitute; you will have a higher standard of living if you stayed at home - we can't even afford to look after our own! And a word to Cameron, we don't need them to artificially inflate house prices (Cable has that very wrong) - that card has been seriously over-played - it is better to let the market correct now vs bloodsshed later.
with the current housing crisis where are these poeple supposed to live ? with a continuing contracting economy (this country will never be a manufacturing base again) how will these people be employed?. If they are coming here to sign on, how are the depleted working tax payers ( the Government doesn't give money away it redistributes tax revenues) going to be able to fund this?. Time for UK citizens to take to the streets and say enough is enough, this small poor European outpost cannot afford migrant workers while ther is no work or prospect of work for these people. These are not migrant workers these (seemingly by their own admission) are economic migrants who view the UK as an easy touch. Intrestingly another post suggested a General strike but to what end! The answer is to write NOT to the DM but instead to your MP and actually turn up at his / her "Surgery" and let them know that they as he offending arm (of goverment ) will be removed at the next election.
We cannot cope with another influx of benefit seekers the benefit system will collapse and the country will implode. We need to leave the EU now the protection of our country we have too many immigrants already enough is enough
Your comments: My hard earned money is NOT going towards paying for these people to live in this country. Close our borders now so we can assess our position. New houses are being built to accommodate migrants. British people FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
What's the point in coming here it's no land of the great come an join our line ov unemployed why dont ya
they are europeons and are entitled to a free house in the uk just as much as the jeremy kyle lot are entitled.
¿We are discriminated against as gipsy people. In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same. " Except if you are an indigenous Brit then you are treated like dirt!
its heartbreaking whats happening to this country
Question - What if 10 million of them want to come here
CAMERON what are you going to do about it, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!., I suggest you get cracking now and put the waffle about gay marriage in the bin, This effects us all, you need to show us you have the backbone for the job, We need another CHURCHILL at this time not a Pampered Posh Boy.
I'm generally very liberal on social issues, and go farther more than most in accepting people from differing backgrounds, but this is taking things too ridiculously far. Our country already has constraints in every sector, including steep cuts to the NHS, benefits, and services. Why the hell should we give it to foreigners when we struggle to provide for our own? It kind of makes me sick in my stomach. They can see that they can have a hugely better standard of living by not doing much at our expense and just for the sake being in the EU, and they will move because they can. Why wouldn't they? Violent crime and drug rates are double or even triple in areas where Eastern Europeans are more prevalent already. I had thought the EU generally brought more good than it did bad, but this has really swung it to the other direction in my opinion. It's time to leave the EU before it's too late.
When oh when will we learn? We are not GREAT BRITAIN with colonies worldwide anymore! We are a tiny Island, already overcrowded and struggling to cope! STOP THIS NOW - WE SIMPLY CAN NOT AFFORD TO CARRY MORE PEOPLE - yes their problems are terrible but no one else opens their arms and says come here. We havent enough work for our own people,our benefits and NHS systems are breaking down, we cant afford to care for our elderly and let them die of starvation in hospitals and call it pathways! Need I go on? Anyone with half a brain can see Im right and we must go to our MP and demand this does not go through at all!
Why are they eligible for housing and benefits when they have contributed NOTHING to our society? This is SO wrong - yet again, us hard working Brits are going to suffer for trying to do things the "right way".......work/buy a house/ limit the number of children we have.......
Immigration is beyond a joke. Honestly, I am sick of it now. I'm all for anyone coming to this country that have and implement their working skills in full time employment. However, majority do not, which can be clearly seen at the post office when collecting their benefits. Half don't even speak English, which is ridiculous and it should be mandatory before entering Britain.
Mass immigration has placed an enormous strain on the benefits system to the point that it is becoming unaffordable. Politicians respond by taking the easy route by reducing benefits. I know we have plenty of home bred benefits scroungers but they are our problem. Despite their unfortunate circumstances Romanians, Bulgarians etc. etc. etc. aren't. If the government insists on giving away billions in overseas aid then this is where it should be going, not to Africa and Asia. That way we might alleviate some of our own problems as well as theirs.
Romania & Bulgaria together don't have 29 mil people all together. Never mind gypsies :))) Daily Mail, get where do you get ur data ? How on earth do you think that all 29 mil will leave their countries and move to Britain ?!?!? Maybe someone's got to have a word with the person in charge with headlines.
T S Williams, Melbourne, Australia, 24/12/2012 08:53 We'll send them to you then!!
I have been recently been made redundant. I've paid taxes all my life. I have now been told I am entitled to job seekers allowance for 6 months after this I'm not entitled to a penny. It makes my blood boil these people are allallowed to come into this country and probably claim more in benefits than i will probably earn working full time. I have come to the conclusion in this country the only people who arn't entitled to benefits are the ones who pay into the system all their lifes.!
Well that has certainly sealed my UKIP vote.
Get us out of the EU !!! NOW !!!!!!
No more, no more of these people.
Labour and the left have always wanted to see this once great nation go down the plug hole. Well their wish is about to come true. Just glad my wife and I chose not to have kids as what's coming in the very near future isn't going to be pretty.
I don't understand why the UK doesn't just say NO to the EU. Danish politicians do it from time to time and nothing happens. I do like some of EU's rules though as I am able to live in Denmark because of them.
In a way it may be a blessing; the last straw before civil unrest in this country; and it is not that far away. As someone else mentioned here UKIP you are on a winner. Please win the next election!
I live in Romania an I have no intention to settle in UK. If I would agree with the point of the article I will be thinking that maybe we will be spared in Romania from things like the big retailers and the "benefits" they brought for quality of service and small businesses. Or maybe we will go back when not only people were not allowed to migrate but also the capitals, in order to stop some people gain benefits fro other countries and others gain profits from other countries. But we already have the retailers you "love" and you already have the gipsies we "love", so maybe building walls will not help, as I hope we have at least learned from those who tried to solve problems with walls and camps during WW2.
No offence to Bobby George and his family, who I am sure are decent people, but what are they bringing to the UK that we need? He does "some" part time labouring, yet gets 3,300 pa in housing benefit and with Child Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, I doubt they are taking less than 6,000 pa out of the system? There is no way he can have contributed even 1 years worth of his benefit in the 5 years he has been here and I am sure if this was a round table discussion, he would be inclined to agree? It is a financial one way street and unfortunately it is not sustainable. The lefties just hide behind the "racist" card to avoid this stark reality.
29 million!? The population in Romania is 20 million and that in Bulgaria is about 8 million!!! Get your facts right!
Can't really call this country England or Britain any more, because only 48% of people in 'Britain' are 'British', we are becoming extinct...
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !
As a former Big Issue vendor in North Wales it helped me get back on my feet and get enough to rent a flat. I think the Big Issue has lost its focus in recent years. Those selling on my old pitches are from eastern europe not a Brit in sight and hasnt been for a long time. I will always be grateful for the chance to get back on a an even footing.
It makes me so so sick. I work, pay my taxes, suffer the austerity we are having to put the country right and we let these people come to this country to live off our efforts on the benefits system. The EU should be making sure these people are adopting the same standards of living as we have before letting them join. Also why don't they settle in France, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc? It is time we got out of the EU, bringing on the referendum.
Don't vote UKIP for yourself, vote for your children and grandchildren. It's time for the English to find our backbone and identity again. It's time to start looking after our own first. We are a generous nation but enough is enough!
Back in the seventies, the decision to join the EU was for trade. Now its the EU people dumping thanks to this open house treaty set by previous political muppets. If readers notice, its never the sitting MEP,s or the MP,s pay for these laws. It always ends up the taxpayer footing the bill. What makes me angry is when viewers see Tony Blair talking about human rights. After what he has done to the UK is tantamount to treason.
How about mentioning all the high qualified people that emigrated to the UK. From very the same countries... You do not have a problem with that issue, do you ???!!!
Everybody come to Malaysia! It's warm and sunny through out the year! Food is cheap and amazing. You can't go wrong with that.
Freedom of movement as long as it is no where near the eu capital
I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!! - words21, Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 1:20 ================= I wish you'd be more specific. Do you truly hate this country with a passion, or do you hate the politicians who have destroyed it. If it is the former, why don't you get out and move to a country more to your taste.
ahh................ so this is why Mr Cameron wants to take benefits away, he wants to give it away to immigrants, along with our precious NHS services, they will all have to be checked for TB etc....... Can we please get rid of this vile government, who are running this country into the ground, we have all made sacrifices because of the downturn in the economy, loosing full time jobs and having to work part time to make ends meet and then the biggest slap in the face to us all is ....................he is taking more in and paying them to do nothing THANKS Cammi now please leave from stage door left !
Where are the jobs, schools, hospitals,houses, for these people. They bring NO skills we need , their intention is to live off our benefit system which is already at busting point. Enough is enough VOTING UKIP WILL PUT A STOP TO THIS.
Back in 1975 we voted to remain in Europe, so I guess we've only ourselves to blame.
No wonder there's a housing crisis in the UK ,all these immigrants past an yet to arrive need housing ,benefits and NHS care.Its not racist but we just can't afford to support all these people who haven't paid a penny into our economy and yet still support our own less well off and vulnerable people.
Get us out of the EU NOW - how frightening is this !!! Where are our rights as natives - UKIP or English Democrats for my vote - this needs to be stopped - where in the right mind as these idiots who allowed this !!!
The National Health system, schools and police are already struggling with the numbers of people already in this sinking country. I never thought I'd say this but we need to get out of the EU and the sooner the better!
I am so angry. They are welcomed here by some politicians, they are given houses, free money, free healthcare, free education and yet some of them are so greedy they steel from the very people who are providing this for them. We are the mugs here.
the start of the end.
The bog that is the uk letting all the rubbish in and EVEN paying them to be here. roll on death cos you wont then be able to take any tax from me for them and the rest of the scroungers and cheats
Close the countries doors. We are full up.
I bet the Slave Centre Plus and Social Security (SS) wont be hounding, persecuting and threatening them with loss of benefits if they dont find a job, unlike what happens to the British. Traitors.
What are the women like?
Don't blame Cameron, Blairs Labour government got us into this, in fact most ofnthe problems we have with immigration and benefit overload can be laid at his door. I used to vote Labour but never again.my husband and I have always worked, both self employed and have never claimed benefits but we are struggling at the moment like many others.Unfortunately as our children are grown and we have a mortgage we can expect no help from the benefits people at all. wish we had emigrated to Australia years ago!!!!
Up the revolution!
Our politicians will have acquired so many mansions by then, the new influx will be needed to clean them.
What we need is a leadership who has the courage to say NO!!! Also a leadership who will get us out of the Money-Pit of Europe.
They wonder why we want to be out of this unholy alliance......It'll be Poland all over again, we'll be swamped again. ......I can't believe the stupidity and the slowness of their brains........and still no action from this Government......We need to be away from the EU just to retain our sovereignty.......Referendum or is it so much hot air again?
They bring no skills that we do not have as a population, we do not need the workforce - we have millions unemployed and we cannot afford them. Sod the EU. Close our borders.
God HELP the United Kingdom. we do not need these people, have they jobs,homes, private medical care, schools to go to, all paid for themselves.... OF COURSE NOT. THANKS AGAIN BLIAR, You should be made to pay for this from your own socialist Millions. MADNESS
SHUT THE BORDERS - We need to get out of the EU NOW!!!!! If we don't they and so many others will be welcomed with open arms and we'll be in a worse mess than ever before.
I've leaving this horrible foreign non British country behind
It's not England's problem is it?
Since when was everyone in the UK treated the same? Sometimes I feel that because I have a good job, pay my taxes and don't break the law, that I am being the worst treated as I don't receive the handouts that these people are expecting to receive. Why should we welcome them when most under 40's in work can now not afford to buy their own house, but if they were out of work they would get free housing???
Its hardly Camerons fault, BUT demand a referendum, get out of the EU and fill the channel tunnel with concrete, that will stop it.
Come on 'Call Me Dave' Man up!! Start doing the job you are paid for. TEAR UP THE SCHENGEN AGREEMENT AMD DO SOMETHING!! NOW!! Have you met the nice Mr Farage. You're going to be handing him the keys to No. 10. You'll be consigned to 'non-entity' status (oh, you are already!). The Conservatives will be consigned to the history books! Thanks for wrecking Britain you idiot! NOW, before you leave, DO SOMETHING!!!
here we go again glad i'm 82 wouldn't like to be young in this day and age PLEASE get britain OUT of this horrible european union.
This counrty will end up looking like a wasteland in some other country,it will end up looking like one of the biggest disasters to hit a country and people will be asking how the hell did this happen. We need to wake up and wake up fast, only so many beans will fit into a tin and THIS tin is well and truly FULL
It is time the provision of benefits is changed in this country to stop the wanton abuse and the best way to do it is to say only people who have worked and resided in this country for 5 years have earned this entitlement and that the entry into this country must be on condition that they have a fully gauranteed job and can fully support themselves for that period without any help from the state.
Two words scare mongering.
One more immigrant family who cannot support itself and relies on state handouts is one too many. We are overcrowded gridlocked overtaxed and just cannot afford to support any one else.....
This is discusting people who were born and breed have lost out on benefits had them cut/stopped yet people from other eu countries can walk in get a home rent paid milk vouchers and a big weekly top up of free money. I'm a single parent work part time and pay all my ret council tax..this country is a joke and only getting worse - lola12 , Wiltshire, 24/12/2012 08:37+++++On a personal level I'm glad I'm in the last stage of life on this planet, unless struck down with some disease etc. However, I am concerned about the Country my grandchildren are going to inherit in just a few decades, and the inevitable conflict to come. You of the younger generation have time and effort in your hands to change things before this comes about.........But will you?
Taking into consideration that the total population of both Romania and Bulgaria is 29 Million - I would hardly think both countries would depopulate and want to move to Britain. - furthermore there are by far more attraqctive countries in Europe to move to thjan the UK - and should there be a significant increase of Sinti and Roma in the UK it is because the high levels of benefits - but then you have only the UK government to blame - cut the benefits like we did here in Germany and you will have more people entering the workforce decreasing the relaince on state aid and increasing the taxable income the government will receive.
Past governments have got us into this mess, It will be up to the real Britis people to get us out/
Many Americans sympathize with you as we have a similar problem in the USA only with illegal immigration. Many of the issues sound similar. We do not have national health care but our hospitals are required to treat all patients regardless of their ability to pay. They hurt our economy in many aspects and are no longer encouraged to learn English. Please remember this when you wonder why some of us so dislike our current leader and his party. I hope you are at the very least allowed the chance to vote upon your EU membership.
There MUST be a `hidden` agenda in Government policy that will permit even more mass immigration, but I honestly struggle to understand what it may be. Our health care and utilities infra-structure are already critically stretched and we simply do not have the means to continue to absorb migrants. In many inner city schools it is common to have 30 or so different languages spoken, and 3 weeks ago a Minister declared the need to build more houses on farmland and `green field` sites. We only need to have 2 or 3 weeks without rainfall for our population to drain our reservoirs - and that is after the wettest year I can remember...! We are a dangerously overcrowded small island and I believe that our Government is failing in its primary `duty of care` for our people. I am looking to UKIP to save us from this ugly situation, but even if they win every single seat in the next election, it may be too late. So, HM Government, in the name of reason, STOP THIS MADNESS. NOW...!
Look, I'm not unsympathetic to their plight, but we have enough of our own scroungers here already. Anyone with needed skills or a strong work ethic is welcome - in my opinion - but anyone who just wants to come here for benefits can stay away. In fact, in an ideal world, I'd like to send our lifestyle-choice scroungers (whatever their "heritage") to Bulgaria!
so, we are a sancuary? a place where people who have never contributed a single penny to this country can come and get free hand outs without having to do anything for them.. This is what europe is doing to us, this is what our idiot prime minister wants, this is the downfall of England,,, Welcome to the end of your rightfully earnt standard of living as there will no longer be any money around to suport your English born family.
Another reason to stay an expat.
The borders have to be closed - it's as simple as that
embed44 (see below) - oh I am SO glad that you are benefitting from free movement of labour. AND the Pole is benefiting too....and his wife would perhaps rather live here than in Poland. But what about the rest of us ?! Does the Pole's £1,000 tax contribution cover the cost of Child Benefit that UK pays ? Does it cover any Housing Benefit ? Does it pay for the extra teachers and nurses needed to look after him and his family ? OF COURSE NOT ? And that's the rub. There was a time when 'foreigners' came here to work... and sent money to their wife and 4 kids BACK ! No longer ! THE EU-SSR is the biggest scandal in the past 20 years. AB-SOL-LUTE DIS-GRACE.
Blair got us into this and it's up to Cameron to get us out of it , but he needs to act swiftly and keep us updated.
As we can`t stop these lot coming over here (thanks Tony ) and claiming all they can and filling up an already full to capacity country we need to have a rethink. Why don`t we do a deal with Bulgaria and Romania. Give them the whole Overeseas Aid money that Dodgy Dave has got ringfenced and tell them not to let any of the scroungers out of the country .
Simple, use the military personnel who may or may not be laid of as immigration control. You no have enough cash for visit, you no allowed in. You smell bad, you no allowed in, you come from lawless country, you no allowed in. RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE. Please.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22 - Don't you know what happens to people in this country if they protest about immigration?? They are publicly branded racist which can lead to losing your job and having your children taken away. Same if you protest or even query government and left agenda on a number of other issues.
I have made many Bulgarian friends. They are all charming, honest and far more hard-working than most Brits, not a bunch of benefit-claiming gypsies as the Mail would like to portray. My experience of Romanians (and Poles for that matter) is less positive though.
There are over a million Romanians in Spain and well over a million in Italy. Plus thousands of Albanians,Serbs etc etc etc. It is not only the U.K. This is Europe where the populations have NO choice over anything including their borders, where they are forced to accept populations which have absolutely nothing in common. Their native countries do nothing to improve the conditions of these people but squander and rob European funds. These people have no intention either of changing or intergrating. The people who will pay the price are the national populations these people are heading for. Unfortunately that´s the reality.
This whole article is what is wrong with the UK today. Not once does it mention how these immigrants look forward to coming to the UK in hope of finding + holding down a job, but how they look forward to coming to the UK and living off the benefits system. Why not introduce a system where they have to earn their benefits? Maybe full time volunteer work or something. I'm not against these people coming in at all i'm just sick of working 50 hours a week, paying a fortune in tax and being entitled to nothing when random people are coming in getting free housing + benefits paid for by hard working people like myself
relax ! you sound like the whole world wants to come to britain , it aint so. In fact there's proof that a lot of eastern european have left the uk to go back home for various reasons , I remember when they announced , a few years back , that a bunch of eastern european countries were to join the EU and you predicted a massive influx of migrants to this country , all jobs were to be taken away, bla bla bla... Not so...a godd portion have indeed gone back home as there's no paradise here...
something needs to be sorted for these poor souls in there own country, why is it that the powers that be don't restructure there own country so that the people can live a life instead of dread every day, if it was any of us in the same situation we would be doing what ever it takes to secure our families future wouldn't we, so think on about what you write on here because god is reading this!!!!!!!....... merry Christmas to every one :)
scare mongering DM
Native born Brits struggle to get benefits and yet any old Tom, Dick or Romany are welcomed!! It's time this Government got some balls and legislated to control the borders and keep out all of these economic migrants. No job - No entry.
If you don't like it then do something about it. Many of you have voted for the LIB/LAB/CON for years. UKIP are the only ones that will get us out of this. I was mugged by a young Romainian once, I don't want it to happen again. Keep them out.
And what a surprise he lives in Luton now!!
The million or so landlords/MP's are rubbing their hands with glee...
this infuriates me beyond...
And Cameron does.,......NOTHING!
Look at the state of what they are wanting to get away from. If we let this happen our once grand little country will soon look the same way thanks to them.
Thanks DM for putting a horrible cloud on my Xmas break.e
I'm moving to Bulgaria next year then.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 ------------------------ Your absolutely right Ashley, however us Brits would rather just complain instead of get off our backsides and doing something about it. If it's not this, it's something else. This country is a sinking ship, one which I intend to get off next year when I go to Oz, I'm not coming back. There is nothing here anymore and it's only going to get worse as long as we have spineless idiots running the country. At the end of the day though, they live in their ivory towers and don't have to mix with all this, so they have no idea about the problems this country has with this kind of thing. It scares me to death to think what the UK will be like in 20-30 years at this rate, it's our children I feel sorry for the most.
The problem is we British too polite to object or protest unlike for ie, our French, spanish neighbours etc. We'd rather forget about it , have a brew and watch the X- factor or log in to the mail online and comment about the size of Kardishans bottom or what the hell the Middleton sisters are wearing............................
The end of the world did not come, but the end of Britain is about to. We should seek out Tony Blair and hang him for what he has done to this country. As for Cameron, the man is no better, he should give us the referendum now, in or out. If not he deserves the same fate as Blair.
Even more reason to move away! France here I come!
Just show them our current flood issue at least it looks drier there although they will not object I suppose !
Thought you need a passport to get to the uk island.
Ahhhh the spirit of Christmas, DM.
Is it a joke, no. But what will be the joke is the UK governemt which as usual will sit by and do nothing even when they are aware of everything this country is about to be hit with. I am happy for people to move to this country, but there needs to be the public services to go with it. And while we are broke, there is not the money to put up with this. Theresa May will do nothing, she will speak the speak, but in the end her words will be worthless.
I can't remember being consulted no letting these people into the country. I would have objected if I had been asked. Already I see a load of Eastern European 'Big Issue' sellers in the streets so God knows what it will be like when that lot come over. I don't want them here. If they do come here they should have to live in a remote Scottish island with no electricity and decent housing. We'll soon see how many want to come then.
And behind the Bulgarians and Romanians, 70m Turks are waiting with their bags packed...
Dave and the rest of LIBLABCON are pushing us dangerously close to the brink or a very nasty backlash. There is only one solution and it is to get out of the EU....or, do as the Portuguese and Spanish do and say NO while telling the Eurocrats in Brussels: Choo goin to do aboud it? In the meantime, I have my exit strategy in place and will leave this country for good if it is going to be taken over by foreigners as we already have way way too many.
This is next year as in January 1st 2013 so really it is next week.
If the English want to get out of the EU, they will lose the Scots. Merry Christmas/ Festivus! - Victor Tutu, Bucharest, Romania, 24/12/2012 08:45------- double bonus then. An offer like that will have us all signing up in droves ;-))
A lot of whiners who are prepared to do nothing about it. Typical British armchair lawyers, get off of your backsides and vote UKIP!!!
I am confident that when UKIP get in, this madness will be stopped.
call me racist, I don't care any more, but as a working English person, born and raised, by English parents and grandparents, brought up to know that skiving off others is as low as you can go, I for one don't want these low lifes here. Why should I work till I drop to fund others who refuse to do their fair share. Shut the borders to these people now. They have no right to be here and no rights to claim from our already broke benefit system. Let the rest of Europe have them, we ahve done our bit olver and over again.
Britain is becoming the land of foreign handouts! No wonder UK born residents want to leave and never return. It's sad.
Well it is a cast iron cetainty they will be flocking into this country to get the benefits. Who are we being led by in this country? It is clear whichever party is in power we are governed by elsewhere so Labour or Conservative they are all puppets. To think of all those guys who were killed in the Ist and 2nd world wars to protect freedoms only for us to shamefully surender this freedom without a fight. It is truly mindboggling how fast we are sinking. What iritates me is those 35 and under that love to quote it is now 2012 as if we have progressed. It doesn't matter how many gadgets you have if you lack respect, duty, responsibility, loyalty and most importantly the right principles worth dying for. Sadly we are now too much of the ' me ' society.
DM I see what you are trying to do, but you do realise with emotive and provocative headlines like this, you will cause the ignorant and ill informed to automatically hate these people who have done nothing wrong.
Where the hell did you get this outrageous number?? 29 MILLION?? That's the population of both countries combined!! And I'm saying it again: those people are NOT ROMANIANS(or bulgarians), they are simply called GYPSIES!
Our government is largely run by public school types who live a well-to-do life away from the reality of British life. They have no idea of the real impact of immigration, financial pressure or of the radically changing culture of our towns and cities. Until we have MPs who truly reflect our demographic our law makers will not stop this destabilising tide of immigration.
I was in Istanbul recently, and a turkish restaurant owner was laughing at the UK and how we just allow anyone from the EU in and give them benefits. Blair and his cronies have much to answer to. SORT it out, or Britian as we knew it, will be dead. We must get out of the EU now. What about our rights, the rights of us Brits to live our cultural and traditional lives. Some of the Romanians and Bulgarians will bring serious criminal problems...sorry but we don't want them. Wemust be more robust and look after ourselves first - EU membership has become a cancer that eats away at Britain.
No, no, no, no! This has to stop. We cannot continue to support people who only come here for the handouts that the state give. We don't have enough housing, jobs, health facilities. The next general election will be too late. Cameron has to do something now. There will be no 'Great' Britian and nothing for our children if we let this continue. Vote UKIP all the way!
Is this a joke? - Nikita , bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 08:36 I have a strange feeling it isn't
Either Cameron stops the influx from Romania and Bulgaria or the CONservative Party will be destroyed in 2015. Labour may get back in - but it won't be for long. The British people have had enough of being exploited so that immigrants can live off of us. Close the borders. We're full. Vote UKIP at every opportunity. LibLabCON need a massive kick up the ballot-box and only UKIP can deliver it.
Oh Dear ! This is going to spoil Christmas for your sorry army of xenophobic readers. They will be choking on their turkey at this !
I'm ashamed to be British.
What a pathetic headline Daily Mail. Of course "some" will move here, and if they LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE for 5 years, then they like everyone will be entitled to benefits, too right. You are giving the impression that by this time next year the UK have to pay out benefits to all 29 Million scroungers! And the gullible reading your headline swallow it.
I dont blame these people for wanting to come here, this and previous labour governments have created this situation. Would anyone not want to leave that country to live here where they will get housing etc. Soon we will be swamped by foreigners from poor countries all over the world.
The legal aid barristers are sat with their wallets open just waiting for the next motherload to come this will be aided by the "charities" (pressure groups) in Landaan. Only the capping of legal aid, the removal of charity status and removal of public funding will set the ground for some kind of sanity in this country.
Why were Romania and Bulgaria allowed to join, what can they contribute the the EU? Is it becoming a charity?
Joke Uk.
people on this site nomally assume non eu immigrants fleece the state but if you look at their passprts its says "no recourse to public funds." just to get a visa they have to pay fees, english classes and financial checks to make sure they can fund themselves in the uk. is infact eu immigrants who have the free for all
Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks. - Captain Gas , Bristol, 24/12/2012 08:35 Not true, you are full of gas like your mob now in power, the Conservatives took us into Europe by signing the Maastricht Treaty......Labour only ratified that treaty !
Who can blame them?
Don't panic, you'll all be under water by then, and I'll have the beautiful mountains all to myself... suckers!
GAzza - Mr Cameron had nothing to do with this. If anything this occurred on the watch of the previous Government - Brown, Blair - remember them?
Who can blame them?
This cannot be allowed to happen, another couple of million dependants will tip the scales. Britain will be one big shanty town. This is not racism this is year one basic economics, it can't be done. The majority of us have worked and paid taxes to support and breath life into our country, older generations have suffered in 2 world wars. Another couple of million will finish us. WE need to do something and it needs to be done NOW
This is What happens when You have a Weak-Government. (Mr Cameron Nick Clegg Ed Milliband & Co). The Muppets. Thats why the UK needs a Real-Man/Leader to be Free & Independent As Soon As Possible from Germanys/EU.
One of my greatest joys is poring through the array of comments at the base of articles bemoaning immigration from people who have, well, emigrated...
Get out of the EU NOW. Leave the problem to France. Why ? Because they DESERVE it.
I think that if Mr Cameron does not get-rid, forthwith, of the EU, we will have to rid ouselves of Mr. Camaeron. He best fits the description as, "Disappointing"
I'm in shock that none of you have any compassion for these people, look at the description of how awful their lives are!!! And all you can think about is yourselves. As if you would not do the same thing in their position.
'Treasure Island' is now FULL!..... Enough's enough. Someone needs to put a stop to this, and sharpish.
Great news! If we get enough immigrants we can sort this country out. No more bowing and scraping to the royals, no more being ripped of by the utilities, corporations and fuel duty, no more tory governments they just won't put up with it! Ok there may be civil unrest, the odd riot on the streets, murder and a little mayhem but thats ok; isn't it?
Over recent years, I have harboured a dream of selling up and moving to the Lakes. I just may set my compass a little further North and hope that the Scots rebuild Hadrian's wall, from the other side!
I used to have no problem at all with other people moving to the UK, but it's a joke now!! Especially when I want a doctors appointment, and I can't get one for 9 days as the surgery can't cope with the numbers. When I finally got my appointment on Tuesday last week, out of 27 people in the waiting room, myself and one other were Scottish. I feel like a minority in my own country and fed up paying the bills for others!
Dave want to win the next election,grow a pair and stop this now.
I see the British are expressing thier Christian love for thier fellow man.
Ahhhhh - a nice heart warming story of panic, depression, fear and general ill being from the Daily mail on Christmas eve. Ever thought of writing for Eastenders ?
The only way you can stop this is to get out of the EU NOW! By the time Carmeron thinks about getting around to a referendum on our membership there could be aother 5 million people living here - and most of those wont be contributing to our budget deficit - they wll be taking out of it - big time.. Then you wonder why you can't see a doctor, get a hospital bed or why your taxes have gone up?
God help this country and all that live here , we ae sinking into the mire and debt faster than anyone could have imagined and those that allowed it to happen live in their ivory towe eating their cake whilst the rest of us eat bread .
Come to Britain, we have streets paved with gold. Where the rich get richer, the people who don't work live a nice life on benefits, and the working class gets Screwed left right center paying for all this. Thank god I left this all behind in Britain. Here in India I get what I pay for.
Well if this news does not cause a revolution on the streets of the UK, then I don't know what will, because frankly, I have had enough! Cameron, grow some balls and stick two fingers up at the EU and do us all and your political future a favour for once in your life!
Would Bulgaria offer the same hand outs to jobless brits turning up and expecting to be looked after without ever contributing to the country?
What do you think they want to build on all our green land for. Certainly not for the good old tax paying Brit
So worrying! Makes me sad to think what our country will end up like. There are already parts of london that are so overtaken with immigrants you feel like youre in a foreign country and treat you with no respect what so ever! wish the UK would take a leaf out of Australias book! if you dont like the way we live dont come here! why do we have to change to be tollerant! and surely the 1st place of refuge is not an island where you have to pass through the whole of the EU to get here! So infuriating! our infrastructure cannot cope!
If you haven't paid into the system you shouldn't be able to collect from it!! i live in a small market town in Lincolnshire and the sheer amount of non-english is frightening, We are the minority! we have So much Crime here from drink driving to assaults it worries us. I am not racist but these people come over here and overstretch our NHS, Schools, Councils etc. Grow a backbone Government England is closed otherwise we are going to start sinking even faster!! x
Having experienced these two nations when visiting their respective countries, believe me these people are as bad, if not worse, than anyone can describe. It is time to stop the talking Mr Cameron and actually DO something for a change. For starters may I suggest telling the EU, at the earliest opportunity, enough is enough and we will NOT accept these people, nor will we be handing over any more taxpayers money as the UK is withdrawing from the EU. Instead of being wasted, we will then put our billions of pounds to better use by starting to get our country back on a secure, financial footing.
My husband was waiting for a client at Heathrow one day and was watching the passengers enter the arrivals hall...the driver next to him, who he had never met before, said " Do you you know what mate...we are only a small island and if this carries on as it is this country will sink." Never a truer word. Of course our Politicians will say that all immigration is good for the country...poppycock. Our services are going down the drain under the pressure and the Liberal left just stand by and rub their hands.
If this happens the countries finished. What can we do about it, there isn't any political party with backbone.
UKIP is a pipe dream ,farage is a joke next you will be telling me boris will be priminister.
Welcome to the gene pool!
A one way ticket to bankruptcy....we have to get out of the EU sharpish...
Come on Nigel, this is UKIP's big chance. Dave and the idiot Clegg won't do anything about this. I am so glad I don't live in the UK...
This HAS to be stopped.
Am pleased that I do not live in the UK but feel very sorry for you folks that work so hard and pay your taxes etc but for what to keep other's in benefits what is the matter with the Government as someone says why do people not protest literally bring the UK to a complete standstill that may be the wrong thing to do but where on earth are they getting all the money from to pay the people these benefits. 2013 will be a very grim year and not just in the UK
Dont blame them ! If I was them I would come here - got to look after number one in this life. However, do blame the ruling classes for allowing this to happen to this once great country.
Aren't you folks crowded enough? Who is allowing ever more jostling throngs of people into your sardine packed country? - HaywoodZarathustra, Fat City, 24/12/2012 1:22 My street has completely changed in the last 5 years alone. There are loads of foreign men living in the 2 bed house next door to me. I don't feel safe when I have to walk past them when they're all smoking right out side my front door when I get home after work. If we could move we would but we can't afford it. The answer to your question is the EU. But no one I know wants us to be the EU. We are because its supposed to be good for our economy...
¿We are discriminated against as gipsy people. In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same"......A few more articles such as this and the masses will come around and welcome them with open arms.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
They are welcome to the dump the government has created. Most will stay in the London area anyway. Good!
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley, USA, 24/12/2012 1:22.............................Because as a nation we are apathetic, we just roll over and except it. I'm alright jack mentality is another way you could describe it.
so that'll leave our country in the triple dip recession most likely, great.
Cue the horrible, racist comments. - Anon , Newcastle, 24/12/2012 08:33 - Cue the despairing Britons and have witnessed their once great county reduced to a crime ridden cesspit with no hope for the people who have paid into the system for years or their children.
It's Christmas. Do you have to print such Xenophobic, RACIST stuff today and tomorrow? There are a lot of them in France, but not 29 million!
I don't think me or my family can ever live like that.
Someone just lit the touchpaper.
Christmas Eve and this is your top story!? Nice going DM. I didn't get angry allthough you tried. Merry Christmas everybody!
We're already bursting at the seams! I've been a life long Tory voter, though it's now time to take action and vote UKIP. Enough now.
We need to understand that millions of these people WILL come to the UK the first chance they get, and that it will probably turn parts of the UK into slums of the kind featured in the above photographs. There are nowhere near enough homes for existing needs, never mind millions more immigrants from anywhere, and no jobs either. The government is trimming welfare benefits for existing residents and it would therefore be the epitome of irrational decision taking to allow many more in. We need to understand the disastrous social and financial implications of the EU "open door" policy for the UK, and our politicians need to close our borders NOW, well before it starts to happen, if necessary by quitting the EU. No trading or other cooperative treaty with EU countries will be worth the consequences ... consequences which will probably affect ONLY the UK !
Just read this article it's beggers belief, it must be the 1st April - All fools day instead of Christmas Eve!! Come on readers and the public of the Uk enough is enough !!
And Dave wants to wait until at least 2014 for a Referendum? Meanwhile, anything that isn't anchored in concrete disappears and the benefits system colapses. What abot the NHS which can't cope already? i have nver really givenit much thought but.....Scotland may just have the right idea or "the only solution" because the UK Government will do nothing. Britain, the Ghetto of Europe! - Patrick, Belfast, 24/12/2012 08:37 I wouldn't bring Scotland up. Alex Salmond wants to stay in Europe at any cost and has no intention of ever giving a referendum on EU membership.
People from other countries who want to live in Great Britian must demonstrate that they speak English, that they are coming here to work and the job is worked out before they arrive ( they have skills and qualifications ) . In my opinion they also have to understand the idea of integrating and getting the hang of British culture . Clearly if they are independently wealthy and can support themselves they can then contribute as the rest of us do to maintaining the structure and the values of our country . It is no surprise that these folk are not knocking on the doors of other EU countries as quite simply they will be told to shove off !!!! Entry should be massively screened , with lots of interviews and above all proof that they are coming to contribute and add to our nation.
It was a mistake to give eastern European third world countries full membership of the EU. Give them 50 years to sort themselves out first. As an English speaking nation we will always be the premier destination for EU immigrants. We should make our system work for us i.e complex forms that take years to process and no benefits in the meantime
Why can't the Government say NO to these people, we cannot afford to support any more of these people, I have been at work for 40yrs and now have to work until I am 67yrs old, and my taxes will be helping these people claim benefits.......................just back from Australia I wish I had emigrated there years ago!
Well Tony Blair still maintains immigration is good and surely he wouldn't to us would he?
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much. - Cade, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 23/12/2012 ..................................................................................................................................................................................................... Are you a total idiot? 600000 Eastern Europeans sounds like a horde to me. And that is just the ones who have registered. Most do not as all they need to work is a passport. I have worked with some and they have told me this.
Time for a real cut in benefits. A minimum level benefit for the jobless, a very low level of housing benefit as basic rates. After that a benefit tied to years of residence and another for years of paying into the system. If you paid in then you take out, if you didn't you get basics.Child benefit for two children only. That at least will stop people coming here to scrounge off the benefit system. A better alternative is to get out of the EU now.
As a public sector worker who has NEVER claimed a penny in state benefits in over 22 years of my adult life, I'm expected to foot the bill for these parasites? At the same time I'm having my pension, which I've paid for, slashed, having to pay more, to receive less, I've had a 3 year pay freeze with another 2 years to go. I'm someone who never visits the doctors, lives a healthy life, not putting a strain on the NHS and this government will stand by and let this happen??!! This is one cruel, twisted, screwed up country. Only in (the once great) Britain.
I can't wait! Romanian gypsy violin players on every other corner! THE EU is costing this country a lot.Is it really worth it?
There are three choices facing Britain to prevent a massive influx of immigrants that will suck the state dry with benefit entitlement. 1/ You leave the EU and control who comes in. 2/ You stay in the EU but ignore EU rules. 3/ You set stringent rules on benefits that require 10 years prepayment of averaged contributions or alternatively a lump sum to be paid in advance. The UK pays 3k5 each year to other member states just for health care for each of its pensioners. By extrapolation, every family of 4 from these countries should pay up front 140k for medical cover for those first 10 years. As for other benefits, the same rules can apply to cover housing and schooling costs.
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY! Troy Mclure, United Kingdom, 24/1/2012 8:27 I think we have exhausted that line of employment, there are just so many farm working jobs to go around.
so thousands of british children have become homeless this year because of david cameron and atos, sick people that claimed benefit have had their benefit stopped and then they commit suicide ,thousands of british people are dead because cameron stopped their benefit and now david cameron is letting these romanian gypsies into our country to claim benefits? what in gods name is going on people? are you not going to stand up for yourselves? what is going on here? something is completely and absolutely wrong here,i think now is the time to stand up and protest and go asbolutely mental i think,we are being taken advantage of and nobody is doing a damn thing about it? what is going on? are we a nation of idiots? yes i think so,WAKE UP!!!
Daily Mail, shame on you to induce fear of an invasion from the East. You show pictures of Gipsies and name them as representative for Romanians and Bulgarians. Daily Mail reporters and editors, you use stereotypes. In response to your ignorant message, any stupid tabloid in the East could show binge drinkers, drug addicts, pedophiles and say "they are the English, fear them". Daily Mail, you encourage xenophobia, totalitarianism, ignorance. When you will suffer, you will know what you did - articles to stigmatize others.
We should be proud. I quote from the article: "In Britain it is different. You treat everyone, black, white, brown or yellow, just the same." A great reputation. Prejudice is terrible, and I feel sorry for the Roma. They have no chance. Don't forget, though, that most Romanians and Bulgarians are decent and hardworking. I've never been to Bulgaria, but have been to Romania several times and love it (going again soon). Only trouble I had was in a dark street when a little boy tried to 'help' me and to put his hand in my pocket. Immediately stopped him, but he persisted, so I shouted at the top of my voice, GO AWAY. He did, and that is the only problem I ever had. It is difficult, but we can't show prejudice against any ethnic group just because of their ethnicity: we don't do that. The EU is a different thing, but if UKIP comes to power I guarantee that within six months everyone will be fed up with them. There is more to running a country than leaving the EU.
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad.- Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for your sentiments Ashley - Fat chance of any action here,they're too busy to be bothered about their nation.
Shut the borders ignore the EU this country is full of 1 pound fish.
Time to leave EU!
Anyone migrating to Australia cannot claim benefits for two years, enough said.
Oh How Wonderful,,, Our once great nation that is now overrun by those from other countries that have no interest in working and/or contributing to our economy just want to TAKE TAKE TAKE. Enough already. NO ROOM AT THE INN,, Put a sign up at all the ports reading "NO VACANCIES" Britain cannot afford our already over the top benefits system. And We all know WHO will be paying the bills. Yes, BRITISH taxpayers as always.
UKIP. Enough said.
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !
No, NO, NO. This country has a history of opening its doors to people who are in need of a safe haven. Whilst Tony Blair and his wife were in power, the government deliberately opened our doors to every country in creation because - in THEIR opinion - the UK didn't have enough foreigners living here! Now we are known as the 'SOFT TOUCH" of Europe and we MUST STOP NOW. I am not racist, but if we continue to pay benefits and offer free education, health care and housing to the world, THIS COUNTRY WILL BE BANKRUPT. Already the government is taking money from the indigenous population to give to the newcomers, very soon we shall be in exactly the same situation as GREECE and SPAIN with ordinary British people destitute. We MUST STOP PAYING ANYTHING TO NEWCOMERS NOW, if this country is to stay solvent.
Good grief...what a low life shower....the crime rate will go up....social cohesion will break down and the extreme right will have a field day....the whole idea of millions more is ludicrous...we cant cope...sorry to all you liberal types but you all know the experiment has failed and we are heading for serious trouble and all the intergrationists are to blame and should be brought to account. I want no part of living with these...gypsies...
instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 Oh So because of your protesting you don't have immigration or illegal immigrants in the US?
The UK is becoming Europe's human dustbin and the population just sits there and watches it happen. Gutless lot. Glad I left a few years ago...
You really want to know how much your country has changed in the past 20 or so years? Ask an ex pat, in fact ask any ex pat!!
For all our sakes get us out of the EU before this happens.
Nice bit of blatant racism, thanks DM.
The day when our country can't afford to give benefits and homes to Europes great unwanted should have come and gone. Unfortunately the silver spoon brigade that run our country can't see that. They want Europe to think we are still GREAT BRITAIN. Unfortunately we are not we are broken, desperate , rather broke Britain. We neglect care of our elderly , vulnerable and sick , the people we trust to run this country rob us blind with green taxes, massive petrol duty and their expense claims, send our money abroad to countries that laugh at us and put it towards weapons or give to corrupt officials. Our leaders agreed to Work together but can't agree on the day of the week let alone policy, education is in an awful state and our youngsters idea of fun isto get absolutely wasted and throw up on each other. And that's just a few of the things I can list off the top of my head. We need to shut the gates, pull up the drawbridge and start looking after our own people.
The UK can not possibly support these people, the benefit system is not fit for purpose and hemorages cash at an alarming rate. If this alone isnt enough reason to pull the UK out of the EU and slam the doors on further imigration, then there's no hope what so ever. We have fewer police on the streets who are already stretched to breaking point. The article clearly points out how the Bulgarian government have failed to tackle the problem of organised crime, some of these people are already here an opperating in Britian. This is all part of Germany's master plan to control Europe, they tried it twice before with arms and lost, but now thier using economics and MUST BE STOPPED.
EU law allows countries to deny entry and benefits to anyone coming in to scrounge off the system. Just grow a pair and return them, because from what I have seen here in Spain they only have one way of supporting themselves.
There is not enough work for people who live here now. If we were out of the EU we would not have to suffer this
that's why i love living in czech republic - you have to earn benefits, it's just not given to random people, so freeloaders don't want to come there. also i know quite few families which have their members emigrated to uk to live on benefits just because they would have to work in their own countries for that money. you get what you give...
It amazes me how politicians bang on about baby breeders that don't have the means to support themselves YET we still allow mass immigration when we don't have the means to accommodate them. THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE UK ARE ALREADY UNDER MASSIVE STRESS PLEASE DON'T LET THEM COME HERE.
I don't actually think they can claim anything least of all a house !! Just be tented villages , & let's face it it will be rik expensive for them ?!
Mr Qartada has not done anything and should be allowed to stay in Britain....the story against him is fabricated by our government to make us look good and to justify the millions of people we've killed around the world all in the name of terror. The real reason Great Britain is no longer "Great"....since we started following America's orders to destroy innocent countries like Iraq and Afghanistan etc. These countries did not pose any threat to us...they were living happy in their countries until we got there.. Since we have destroyed their lives and homes the people of Iraq and Afghanistan should be allowed to come to Britain...if you don't like it then stop destroying their countries.....we need to look closer to home because we have become the terrorist.
Most the posters on here continue to vote Conservative or Labour and you will deserve what you get. This country deserves a change...get us out of europe NOW!!
the population of Bulgaria is only 7.3Million! maybe 23 is an overestimate?
Simple - if you cannot support yourself or your family then get out. These rules are for all tourist coming into UK so why not apply them to all coming into UK. And no benefits until you work and pay taxes for a minimum of 5 years or more. Tourists and visitors also have ot pay for their medical - so same should apply to them too. Infact these rules apply to all even British Citizens who have not lived in the country for 3 years or more so why is it a freebie for Europeans.
I left the UK some left years ago and for ever. Only a blind, deaf idiot would have had a problem not seeing what Blair and Brown started and once started these things are almost impossible to stop. The UK was nice while it lasted,,,
Trading the slums of Europe for the slums of England then eh?...another country full of immigrants thinking the grass is greener on the other side because they heard stories of a couple of immigrants from there home country that made it....
I wonder if the Norwegians are thankful they wont have to tolerate this sort of thing, I heard only yesterday they think it would be unwise for us to leave the EU hahahahahahahahahahahahhh Unfortunately Britain has been progressively made an attractive place for the scroungers and crooks of this world.Heaven help us!!!!!
Wow! this story is all of the DM's Christmas's come at once!!
I hope this is just scaremongering
Headlines and stories like this make me grateful I have no children. I pity our BRITISH children having to grow up and live in our society and world today. They will be the forgotten lot. BRITAIN GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT. TRUE NATIVE BRITS SHOULD COME FIRST - SORT US OUT BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE.
Please stop coming here the streets are not paved with gold just litter and dog muck
they should not be able to claim benefit and if people want to come to our country they should have to be able to offer the country something with a skill to be able to work here.or they don't get in.come on Cameron do something about this and stop letting all these people in get tougher
Note: to all those blaming Cameron, it was *LABOUR* policies that got the UK into the mess it is in and we have a *COALITION* government... Sheesh!
Let's get out of the EU now. Bet France won't take them. Maybe instead of uncontrolled migration the EU could pour even more money into these places. Don't want to pick up that bill either. Is that PC enough for you all?
Do something, Cameron and May.
funny how they all arrive when UKIP are getting a voice, just to dilute it down again. I detest Labour and the Tory parties, neither stand for what they should do and you can NEVER vote them out. This is no democracy!!!
There is no way that this country can support these people. There are no jobs for them. The hospitals and infrastructure already cannot cope. The only way these people can come here is if the government borrows more money to pay them benefits as they are not taking enough in taxes to support them. This country if finished.
Y Britain y not France Spain or Germany send eu people back
Hahaha. The good old DM. Guaranteed to give its readers apoplexy, high blood pressure, and heart attacks on Christmas Eve!
Blair and Brown you should be ashamed of what you have done. I will now seriously consider voting UKIP.
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
So they joining up with the Greeks and Spanish.
Its time human being realised we are all citizens of the world not a country. They are people just the same as the rest of us. They deserve just as much. Just because your born into poverty doesn't mean you can't strive for more. Happy Christmas to ALL men. Have a bit of compassion people.
Keep them out!
There is only one thing you can do to save the country. Vote UKIP. It isn't perfect but for now its all there is.
AND there is nothing LIBLABCON can or will do about it. EU regulations say we MUST receive them, house them, medicate them, educate them or else. I regret that this spells the end of Britain as we have known it as there is no way we can survive under such an invasion. Where has our fighting spirit gone? There should be demos in Trafalgar Square by now but nothing. I have done my bit and joiuned UKIP but most sheeple think LIBLABCON will change if voted in again in 2015.
Never mind about letting more in, we should be sending those already here and claiming benefits back, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR OUR OWN
Why give the country all the aid we send out to India and Africa then they won't need to come here.
We now have three choices, which are going to be hard to pick: 1. We protest HARD. Go on strikes; stop paying tax and protest outside of the parliament house for long hours until hopefully the morons inside will start to listen for once. 2. We move out and leave Britain behind to suffer further more and hopefully find work in different parts of the world. 3. Stay quiet and suffer the consequences. Reality is, as long as we only leave these comments on DM while really doing nothing; it's not going to make any difference. We need to really start acting now or it will really be too late to do anything. We have to act NOW!!!
Maybe when Romania and Bulgaria are empty we should all move over there!
I just love to watch England implode from afar its called karma!!!!
I know - lets build houses for them on the green belt..... oh dear, silly me, that's exactly what the Conservative party plan to do! This country is a rubbish tip now - things can only get worse, but I expect some Tory Toff somewhere will be making money out of it all, so that's fine!
I see what's happening here. Get the tabloids to release this information that we didn't know about, sensationalise it to the max. Talks of an EU Referendum will heat up in the new year and we may even get one, we vote the EU out, Cameron saves the day from all the new immigrants that were going to come over and take all our hard earned tax payers money. Everybody forgets how bad Cameron and his tory cronies are, people forget about UKIP because the Tories saved the day, and they get in for another 5 years at the next election. Don't fall for it. If we get a referendum to vote out the EU, so the Tories can try their best save their skins in power, don't forget about UKIP and all it stands for.
Britain is just a joke
A message to all of our inept, remote, self serving, politicians...."We are already full to breaking point! Let this lot in and you'll really start to see anger!"
Absolutely NO!!!!!!
Be afraid, very afraid.
How come nobody says nowt about the people pouring in everyday from Asia, Africa and West Indies?
To those brave souls who sacrificed their lives in 2 wars for England, I am truly sorry
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE EU, NOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't understand. If I was down on my luck and decided to move to Spain - I would be entitled to nothing. How comes anyone coming to the UK gets these handouts??
Great headline DM, causing panic much "We're on our way to Britain: In a year up to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain and claim benefits. And many from the gipsy community can hardly wait to get here". Let me try to rephrase the headline so it more accurately conveys the story " We're on our way to Britain: In a year up to 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians will have the right to settle in Britain where they can work and contribute to make this country even greater than it already is." There, more accurate and less panic, but I guess it wouldn't sell newspapers to dense UKIP voters.
There is an easy remedy to this problem while staying within EU law and staying in the EU. Bring back the original social security system (contibution based, if no contibutions made all that will be available is a bed in a shelter and canteen meal, no cash, no non essentilas e.g. booze, cigs or sky sports) that way by treating our own benefit claimants the same way we can limit access to the other EU citizens to the same. Thus removing the reason to travel all the way from the East to us when there are more generous nations on the route.
A sensible political move now would be to cut in half both minimum wage and benefits. Then their would be work for everyone who wanted it.
Enough is enough - do not let them in
Stop ALL immigration NOW. Leave the despicable EU NOW and make a determined start to return ALL those not entitled to be in the UK NOW. The last thing this country needs is more imports from Eastern Europe with their filthy ways and diseases and if we have to join one of the more radical political parties to do this - Cameron, be warned.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
Whe is the UK going to employ normal people in government to close the abusive and stupid loopholes that we have. The social elite have caused a complete mess with overseeing and turning a blind eye. Sharp action is needed and swiftly to show that we are a soverign. If the Scots leave for referendum, then they will surely go on their own and not take or have access to our taxes pot. Sorry Scots, but the price does have to account for free university tuition.
Migration is not a crime....it's a shame 'bigotry' isn't either.....
Well everyone in the UK, compaln to your MP via the internet, or in person. Also, vote UKIP.
They are human beings, do not forget this. It's natural for the animals of the savanna to migrate to find water... do not persecute them.
Im missing something here pensioners cant afford to heat their homes more people than ever on poverty line And what's our plan Bring in more Romanians and Bulgarians to give them benefits ??
The British are a nation of armchair complainers with no backbone to do anything about it. And to think we used to rule the world.......
I know Britain can't afford to keep paying benefits and that you're over-crowded, but you can't blame people for wanting to escape such a terrible, hopeless life. I've known lots of Roma, from Eastern Europe and Westrern Europe, and on the whole they've been really nice, honest, good people. There but for fortune..Blame the governments that have shoved them into such a situation in those countries, not the victims.
how much more have we got to take from these brain dead polititions if they allow this to happen we will be finished for good
I bet they have higher morals and closer families than the feral scum we're breeding here ourselves. I'd do a swapsie any day.
Oh god no!!! We can't take any more, we are at capacity as it is. Why are they entitled to benefits?????? Surely the EU would be better off helping them in their own country? Countries like this will end up being wastelands as everyone has left.
Think this is bad? Wait until the other SEVEN poor eastern EU nations join up too by 2018. You ain't seen nothing yet. You thought Uncontrolled pole migration was bad. At least they speak English!
If Cameron and clegg and milliband dont realise the dangers here of flooding our? country with another swathe of Balkanese immigrants they must be off their heads. You are cutting benefits, there are no jobs, our NHS is under severe problems and we dont have the houses. So all il all it will be a pigs breakfast when the freedom of movement of labour allows them in en masse.... sleepwalking into a nightmare...
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12/2012 01:14......... No, but we don't have any Mexicans. (Yet).
NO!! This must not happen, enough is enough!
If the present government dont do something about this they will never ever be forgiven. They will be tarred with the same brush as New Labour for ever.
talk about scare mongering DM! It is time we closed our doors though...
¿But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens.¿ Our country already has too many under skilled and barely emplyable people from it's own native and immigrant population, we do not need or want any more.
Forewarned is for armed...
And where on earth are they supposed to go. There aren`t enough jobs to go round now [all supposing they would want to work] and not enough houses either. For God`s sake Cameron, wake up and smell the coffee. No other country would do this.
I can't wait! Yay.
This makes NO difference to politicians lives only Joe Public's. While they sit in their ivory towers only doing what's best for them and their bank balance we have to deal with the mess that they leave this country in. I think we need to press our local MP's over this and FORCE their hand into doing something for once.
Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!! - words21 , Bolton, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 01:20=========================================== Actually, it is the previous Labour government that permitted this to happen, and also sign up to the EU human rights act so that we cannot get rid of anyone. Please complain to Ed milliband who was in government then, and Ed Balls etc
No more conservative votes from me, it is now Ukip all the way
Glad I left too! Imagine returning to my old home town to find thousands of Romanian migrants no doubt requiring millions on taxpayer court cases to simply drive 500 yards to their next mug stop. Stories like these make my want to never return. The UK can kiss goodbye to my engineering degree and 10 years exp. with any luck Scotland will get independence and actually do something about the wretched eu
We need a in/out referendum in 2013 on EU membership, my vote OUT
Out of EU that's the only to avoid this future mess. Cameron wakew up,let's have a referendum, in order to be preoud of beenig BRITISH.
Hmm, I wonder what particular skill sets, that we are so desperately in need of according to Vincent Cables other half, will this bunch bring to our shores?
Welcome to Britain! Will be interesting to see what happens when 5 million gipsies arrive. The idiots who let Rumania and Bulgaria into the EU should be strung up
The main reason there are benefit cuts in the UK is to make sure there is enough cash spare to pay benefits to all the Bulgarians and Romanians next year as they are fully entitled to it and nothing can be done as the EU say so. All you taxpayers who rant on about paying tax and national insurence for many years,you are wasting your breath,the EU does not give a toss. You will be shocked to find out that they will be able to claim a full UK pension too. Im sure a UK taxpayer has to contribute 30 years N.I. to qualify for full UK pension. Labour are 10 points ahead. God help this country if you vote them in. Happy Christmas and God save the Queen, !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The article is wrong. If they can't find work, the UK can send them back. Our govt doesn't, only because it likes to be politically correct.
Oh PS and Qatada is STILL here.
If we are really serious about this then the only viable option is to Vote UKIP. Dont be fooled by any other party offering a vote on European membership. Even if we did vote to leave it would happen until at least 2020 by then the damage will be far worse than it is now. Other European countries, like France, ignore some of the EU directives. Its about time we did the same. Means test any EU citizen coming into the UK so they have to have a job and means to support themselves, else they wont be allowed in. Its quite simple, if we have the bottle to do it!
Disgusted at how CaMORON has failed to get his finger out of his backside and start to take all this seriously. Am ashamed and disgusted by this Government's failure to to anything about this. He is more concerned about gay marriages than listening to us. Do Nothing Dave - you are a disgrace.
Yeah blimmin foriegns taking our land, our wives and all our cleaning jobs we dont want. They deserve the rubbish life their having because....erm....yeah! I like it when loads of english babies are born from teenagers and costing me tax money in benefits cos they're English babies. So that's alright cos its different, I applaud the birth of an English baby. I think you should be punished for where you are born even though you have no control over it.
Well, you know the bankers, and other rich men, that this country needs to prosper (supposedly). Why can't we send them to Bulgaria and Romania to create prosperity in those countries; under the title humanitarian aid of course. I'm sure all the pro-European Union would only be too glad to help these poor people.
When will it be time to tear up the Schengen agreement? the French, Danish and Germans have done it! We can't be blamed either, whoever created this ridiculous free movement act needs to be re-educated, its one way traffic, from poor to rich countries, do you think any germans, french or british are going to be moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Poland? I don't. What a stupid, stupid ill-conceived law created by idealist morons that have no sense of reality whatsoever. UKIP.
how many will be next door neighbours to BLAIR, CLEGG, CAMERON , MANDELSON,et al--answers on a postage stamp please-----
PRINCE CHARLES OWNS PROPERTIES IN ROMANIA. If he is allowed to own land and houses in Romania, as any other EU citizen is to be allowed, then any Romanian is allowed to buy properties anywhere in the EU, UK included. Daily Mail shows only the Gipsies from Bulgaria and Romania and induce the fear amongst the British. The poor from the East might leave all around Europe, not only to Britain. If any British company or person is allowed to invest in Romania or Bulgaria (Vodafone, RBS, Land Rover etc make a lot of money in Romania and Bulgaria, money used to pay taxes to the British goverment), then anyone the rich and the poor from the East should be allowed to try for a better life in the UK. If the English want to get out of the EU, they will lose the Scots. Merry Christmas/ Festivus!
Vote UKIP!!! I do feel sorry for the poverty they have to endure. But it's for ALL of Europe to help them. NOT just the UK. I will be voting UKIP.
Its another ( BEAST FROM THE EAST ) fabrication from the DM story , the motto is , when in doubt , scaremonger or wind people up, P people off and then wish them a merry xmas, the botton of the barrel has been reached .
Big Issue, Big Issue! Thank you very muuuuuuuch........
What will the Politico,s do? sit on their hands most likely.
This will definitely happen and under the EU laws that this Government concedes to, there is nothing that can be done to stop it. And when they do arrive on platform one we can never get rid no matter how many laws they break, how many criminals murderers terrorists find their way here. The strain on our infrastructure and the benefit system will be unbearable. Still, never mind we can all be happy in the knowledge that our huge foreign aid budget won't be affected it will still increase each year even though we can't afford it. Isn't life grand in the UK. Well I shall be in a different country by then. I have said several times before that I have a cunning plan to escape.
Vote UKIP time yo leave EU our country is sinking with too.much immigration its economic migration of the worst kind
Oh DM why are you ruining everyones xmas ?
Enough is enough!.get us out of the EU . Cameron you are a joke.
And that's the very reason I'm getting out ...
Why will they be coming here to collect benefits when they've never worked here or paid tax????? Merkles got loads of money in Germany, send them there.....
Nigel - your big moment is coming - its looking like its all down to you to save what is left of our Country - no one is going to.
Sort this out please Mr Cameron. This is another disaster waiting to happen! We want a static population....not growth! We are only a small island and I fear that mass immigration will change are wonderful country for the worse. It's time we clamped down on immigration and closed our borders!
Thank you Blair and Brown for starting this, and to you Cameron for not stopping it. (sarcasm I believe it's called)
Labour's legacy just keeps on giving. Send them all to Scotland where that coward Brown, who signed us up to all this and did it a day after everyone else so he wouldn't appear in the group photos, can look after them. No wonder they are so keen on independence!
I thought we are supposed to be saving money in the uk, to reduce our massive uk debt... Due to MPs past stupidity of an unregulated banking system.... That said the question is why do foreign people wish to come to the uk and not in the same numbers to other countries...?.... Because we have a far too soft government and that has been to our cost... Acting like father xmas to anyone coming here all year round is just plain crazy... There has to be a sensible balance and commonsense in anything, beyond that point stress and frustration happens and that's where many other problems are created... !
WOW!!!!!! going down hill even more, guess the end of the world is starting now!! haha. good.
Well.......we all know what to do, let's put our vote where our mouths are. Surely there are only two party's to vote for.........BNP or UKIP, take your pick!!!!!!!
i love how multicultural Britain is. I think that is what makes us so unique and different to most of the places in the world. You see black, white, indian, yellow...you name it - we have it all...and that is great! However, when the money we are paying to our governments is going to non working, non british people...i do have a problem. we spend £43 million a day being in the EU...and now we have to allow them to claim benefits. This is beyond!! These people are crooks and are not welcome here simply for the crime rate will rocket and our money is going into their back pocket! Please, Mr Cameron, Sort this out!!!!! I am SO voting UKIP, its unreal.
Keep them out.
quit the E.U the British have been crapped on enough Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 has any body protested about the gun law ??
Welcome to Britain! OK joke... We need to tackle this issue sensibly and sensationalist DM journalism isn't going to add value apart from stir emotions.
Ho ho ho!!! Merry Christmas one and all.... Come to Britain were the roads are paved in benefits and free housing.... How is this possible? It's because the hardworking law abiding families will suffer by paying over inflated taxes. Hold on, with no pay rises and a spineless government who reward their own...... This country is a JOKE... Happy New Year, immigrants, terrorists and spongers.......
This country really is turning into a rotting mess..... Those slums in the photos will soon be Britain!
'Freedom of movement'????!!!!! Presumably the E.U is run by the mentally ill! Time to get out but i fear its already too late.
I feel for these people, I genuinely do, but this country cannot take anymore. We are full. Please close the immigration doors before it seriously gets out of control.
It is surely time we all marched IN Britain. When we had a referendum (and I voted against joining the EU even then as I could see the potential problems), it was to join about 6 other nations who had a similar standard of living and whose languages we could understand to some extent. Nobody voted for joining Eastern European countries.
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot, New York, 24/12 Would still rather live in England than the US any day!!
Hmmmm - usual scaremonger article. I have actually lived and worked in Sofia, and yes it is very stricken in many places, but most of the people love the way of life we dont have in the UK. They have very warm summers, meditteranean climate and food/drinks very different from the UK....a lot of them wont want to move here. Yes we will probably see a rise in immigration, and yes it does need controlling but immigration if ran correctly works. If they commit a crime here, they will be ineligible for their benefits long-term and will lose their visa status so stop the widespread panic. Kids nowadays dream they will be WAG's or pop stars instead of farmer labourers, car washers, supermarket shelvers etc so we need immigration. Every country has immigration - USA is overran with South-americans and Australia with Asians, Germany, Italy and Spain all have the same issues as the UK....
No one can save us from this horror of thousands of foreigners claiming everything they can get their hands overrun with people who have no knowledge of our past or interest in it.I have a deep dislike for all the politicians over the years who have enjoyed watching the break up of wonderful country just to thrust their love of multicuturalism on a people who never wanted all these immigrants.
Only in England, the rest of the EU would not put up with this, I suppose it's time for the English to either start packing of take to the streets.
I've nothing against immigration and immigrants BUT I object to uncontrolled mass immigration.When people refer to the benefits of immigrants coming to this country, they're talking about an era when a few hundred at most would come each month,and our population was much lower. We can't continue to accept a city the size of Leeds or Bristol to come and settle here annually.Where will they live,and how will our schools and hospitals etc cope ?
Maybe we should all move to the USA and other places and let them have our country. It is on its knees anyway! All they have to do is stop the benefits and they won't come here. Get us out of the EU and stop all this nonsense.
Britain is now the official dustbin of Europe.
Nothing like a bit of festive Xenophobia from the Mail! What a shameful shower this paper is / has become.
HOW MUCH LONGER ARE YOU BRITS GOING TO SIT ON YOUR BACKSIDES AND ALLOW THE INVATION AND ACCUPATION OF YOUR ISLANDS TO CONTINUE/ ?????????????
They can't come! There's no room at the inn.
Shut the gate's NOW! We can support our own properly, never mind others! Discussing! I dread to think of the state of 'Great Britain' when our children are adults! This needs stopping - and fast!!!!
NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!
the main thing is that these people are coming strictly for the benefits - free homes, free money and free healthcare.
Voters have an opportunity to show what they think of policies such as this one in the 2014 Euro elections. I shall be sending a message to our lily livered three main parties by voting UKIP. I don't trust Labour, the Tories or the Fib Dems on Europe, or their sham promises on referenda.
Thats right like we havnt got enough people from other countries here claiming benefits plus the lazy Britons who claim were now going have the gates opened to more, seriously how much more do the goverment expect us all to take? I couldnt get a house when i had my daughter because as the council said people from other countries come first then people on benefits and because my husband works we had to go private! rediculas! And this is why we always get so anoyed with it all the time! were going have more foreignors in this country soon more than British people! You want to come to this country and pay your way then fine but 90% of the time they come over here with there hands out thinking we ow them something when we dont!
sorry, countries closed.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW:
traitors - the MPs who want mass immigration and those who voted for them
British economy gonna collapse unless we stop this from happening. We dont want anyone From EU anymore.
Tony and Gordons real legacy. Remember this before you vote labour again...
Recycled story from two weeks ago DM. The fact these people can arrive here and claim benefits says more about our laws and government than the Eastern Europeans clamouring to come here.
By cutting the EU budget which gives aid to countries like this, we of course make it far more likely that people will leave for the UK, instead of bringing their own countries up to a more affluent level, as the Poles are doing. Short term thinking as usual.
Unlimited immigration + money-printing to support them = millions more for the banks, property developers and their friends. The cost: the lifelong enslavement of children not yet born - but who care about them? Is this something to be proud of politicians . . . or am I missing something?
When they arrive, we, the British working class will be taxed even more to pay for them! our sheep in green fields will disappear because to them its free food wondering the fields!! and crime will increase. and Cameron does nothing!! he's alright, him and his lot are all in it together.
Defender of the weak, Marxist, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 13:00 says: "After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours?" Odd to hear a Marxist quoting from the bible.
Why doesn't the UK just change the benefit systems for immigrants as well as UK citizens currently on benefits. I have just as big a problem with UK citizens who have spent a lifetime on benefits as an immigrant coming in from the EU in an effort to improve their lives. If the benefit system was changed and not so attractive we would not have a problem.
What a horrible horrible article. Happy Christmas DM
GET US OUT OF THIS EU FIASCO, before the British people revolt, and that is not a joke! WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.
ok. all the eu immigrants n illegal immigrants come to UK free for everything as well as all the lazy benefit claimants. mp claiming all the expenses n second home allowance. wealthy people using am offshore company and loopholes paying minimum tax in the country. leave the bills to all the UK taxpayers. this is great Britain. yeah! merry Christmas n happy new year to all immigrants/ illegal immigrants / wealthy people/ mp.
I thought the idea was to get people off benefits.
UKIP
And Dave wants to wait until at least 2014 for a Referendum? Meanwhile, anything that isn't anchored in concrete disappears and the benefits system colapses. What abot the NHS which can't cope already? i have nver really givenit much thought but.....Scotland may just have the right idea or "the only solution" because the UK Government will do nothing. Britain, the Ghetto of Europe!
As usual this is a rabble-rousing racist rant, with accusations against gypsies akin to Nazi propaganda of the 30's. The stark reality is the UK needs immigration as without it, its rapidly aging population has no-one of working age to pay the taxes to fund their pensions on benefits. Immigrants are predominately of working age and mostly want to work. The official DWP statistics show that immigrants are actually half as likely to claim benefits as British residents. I run a business and employ among others Poles (not because they are cheap, but because they have the work ethic and skill needed) and am currently frustrated that I cant employ a talented Romanian because of visa restrictions. What the myopic readers of the Daily Mail fail to understand is that with the added assistance of these immigrants my company pays corporation tax, through its success employs British residents, the employees pay tax and their salaries purchase goods and services that employ other people.
It's a ploy engineered by the government for their cronies to drive living standards and wages down. Divide and rule .
'...Doesn't affect me as I got out years ago, but I don't see the problem. Britain knows what's coming. It has 12-months to prepare and prevent...JUST DO IT! If not, UKIP will, starting with an exit from the EU.'
Another very good reason to leave Britian. Our laws are pathetic and we are just seen now as a joke by those sensible countries who have stopped all immigration and a soft touch by those waiting to come in to put an even bigger strain on the ailing economy. It is an absolute disgrace.
Sorry but wasn't this something that Tony Blair signed us up to? This is not Cameron's doing! I agree that he is the person who MUST act to avert this situation but not sure how he could stop it. Remember this was a Labour act of treason against us and when Miliband stands up and says they made some "mistakes" this is what he's refering to.
Perhaps Europe are hoping that Britain breaks into Unrest and Civil War, so that they can send in the troops and neuter any chance of a Referendum. They are going about it in the right way.
This is discusting people who were born and breed have lost out on benefits had them cut/stopped yet people from other eu countries can walk in get a home rent paid milk vouchers and a big weekly top up of free money. I'm a single parent work part time and pay all my ret council tax..this country is a joke and only getting worse
i think the whole country should go on strike and refuse to pay tax. or do what they do and get a bloody cash in hand job!
This is total madness, your country is going to be swamped, it all ready has enough welfare scroungers as it is, this influx will turn more and more people to ukip thats for sure. I emigrated to Australia a number of years ago and to do so I was not allowed any dole if i was not employed for at least two years, i did receive child support for a few months until i became employed but that was all I got, and this had to be repaid when I found work, a better system is needed over there or they will suck you dry, before its to late put a stop to it.
UK is become the rubbish bin of the world and it will get worse. Basic immigration laws could be inforced like Australia. You must be able to speak the language, have a trade we need and no criminal record. In 30 years the Anglo Saxon will be a minority in this country. What used to be a country of pride has turned into a lawless scrounging society. (not all, I hasten to add). Which country has a history like ours? And nowadays who is interested in our history. I am sorry to say the whole situation has made me decide to leave Britain. I hope one day a Britain will have a government that has the balls to stand up and start thinking about the UK and not themselves. Cameron and co definantly have not but looking at the other side I cannot see any hope either. It is looking bleak for our beautiful country.
The comment "great, more tenants for us landlords" sums up the problem with this country .... The person who made this comment is simply a traitor to this country. We should all now stop this madness
Absolute, total madness. Why not pass a law that you have to be a British citizen before you get benefits - and make it 12 years before an immigrant can apply to become a Brit?
And even kknowing they are coming here just to burden the British tax payer, they still intend to let them, many thanks cameron et all, you must all be so proud of the way you have allowed this country to be dragged down.
Is this a joke?
Heaven help us. If there were ever any reasons for coming out of the EU this hits the spot.
Some one here has to organise a protest group against this it is total maddness in my book... We have enough thieves and robbers from Europe And people getting away with murder from other countries Bye bye Britain we are sinking fast Plus i think the EU are letting this happen with open arms .......
Diversity is our strength.
If tories are the so-called nasty party then what do we call the left for this? apart from treacherous plotting and evil of course..
VIVA LA REVOLUTION..............VIVA LA REPUBLIQUE
So explain to me again, why are these people entitled to claim benefits in OUR country? Yet people from our own country can't. Welcome to Camorons Britain.
Its not the current governments fault, they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt. Its that last mobs fault for signing our life away to Brussells, for god sake, next it will be the turks.
The Government mush change the law before this tragedy happens. The crime rate will increase, disease will be introduced into the country with a million or more immigrants who don't speak our language or work.
Voting for UKIP is the only way to stop this.
The Mayans got it wrong, not the end of the world, the end of Great Britain. Happy Christmas DM.
I am sure with this news you have made our Christmas. Bring on UKIP ASAP. We are now the ethnic minority in our own country. Disgraceful
Vote UKIP all the time
It does worry me more for my children . Where will these people live ? What about schools .N.H.S how will they all cope ? There will be more people not working than there are working A bet none of these people will be living on a street any M.PS live on I will vote UKIP next time but sadley i think it will be two late .Next will be turkey how can this island cope?
I just love their clothes - they are so all beautiful dressed . Lots of cheap leather jackets to .
Well Mr Cameron for all your posturing, all your promises you made regarding tackling immigration, you're a complete shambles. You broke your promises to the country, have done more 'U' turns than a spinning top. When are you going to get off your rear end and keep your promises? Stop these people from coming into our country NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't take any more.
Just how much more does it need before the government regardless of what the European Courts say bring in laws that will prevent this being able to happen. It is not rocket science to prove that the UK is the softest country in Europe for allowing people in then providing them with more than UK citizens in free welfare etc. It has to be stopped sooner rather than later. We have more than enough legal and even more than enough illegal immigrants than anyone else. Looks like UKIP are the only party that will do anything.
My cleaner is from Bulgaria and she is a very hard worker and never complains. I welcome these immigrants as the British expect higher wages and are not as hard working.
I smell a tax hike!
I think there will be an election next year
Please UKIP...take over ASAP. I know it's primarily Labour's fault for relaxing the immigration laws and opening the back door to massive migration to the UK. But the current government should say STOP right now and shut that door, then worry about the consequences later. What's the EU going to do, sue the British government? They are welcome to try...!!! I have a son 17 and a daughter of 24. What is this country going to be like for their children? I can imagine and that terrifies me..!!
The war is coming but not in the middle east NO! It's going to happen in England when we The English finally decide we've had enough? CAMERON YOU MUST KNOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
It's not just Cameron. All you labour voting loonies have short memories. Blair said they estimated 12,000 Poles would come but 1.1 million arrived. Methinks he was lying and just out to buy votes. Blair signed up to this crap then we all have to suffer. There will be riots soon. It just needs a leader with brains to organise the british masses and the whole fabric of our society will break down
Utter madness! God help us - the politicians won't!
We are known as Treasure Island, X marks the spot as soon as you arrive, time to kick out Long John Campbell and his parrot Cleggy, and we don't want the madman Ben Gunn Miliband either . Lets give fresh faced Jim lad Farage his chance that seems our only option.
Political correctness is a tool used by the government and big business to get people to accept massive inflows of poor people to their countries to keep wages low, it's the scam of all scams. his is how it works, first, change the language, instead of Dole-Bludger, we now have terms like Marginalized Itinerant Asylum Seekers etc etc , you get the picture. Secondly, lay on the multi-kulti guilt trip, and anyone who doesn't tow the line is termed as a racist, even though it's really the culture they don't like, not the race. Big business like s a high level of unemployment, paid for by the tax payers, because it keeps wages low. WAKE UP Britain.
Cue the horrible, racist comments.
The same rules apply to ALL 26 other countries in the EU. You can be sure the vast majority will NOT be heading for France, Germany, or even the Netherlands, Belgium or Luxembourg. So ask yourselves WHY Britain might be the target country. Could it be that the UK is far more open to easy fraud of the benefits system, that people can find employment in extremely low paid work where employment rules have been 'deregulated' or where regulations are poorly enforced? Could it be that the NHS is open to all at the point of need, no money payable, regardless of whether a foreign national has paid a penny towards it? That isn't an EU requirement, that's a law of your own making. Here in France you must pay to join the health system AND have top up insurance. You have to prove you have sufficient to support yourself and you cannot claim benefits unless you were already claiming them in your home country. Britain needs to change its own rules and stop blaming others.
sassygirl; it doesn't matter if you are on benefits, it will all be paid for you.
i know its christmas - the season of good will to all men BUT really how can this be right? we've got our own people living in poverty - just how will these people live over here. unless of ocurse they rely on benefit hand outs?
The entire Bulgarian population is less than 8 million. Romania is 21 million. Do you want to say that ALL of the population, from both countries, is moving to the UK?! A racist and ignorant article made you front page. Shame on you DM!
I challenge a Government spokesman to comment on this story and say what the Government will do IN ADVANCE AND PRO-ACTIVELY to stop this happening. I am certain nothing will be done or said until it is too late and then there will be a ton of excuses coming from the powers that be. Please, please don't trot out the human rights or EU regulations rubbish. This is our country. It is time the BRITISH population took to the streets and voiced their disgust as happens in so many other countries.
great suppose the parts of the uk where they settle will be turned into slums, old habits comes to mind.
Maybe if they were greeted with intolerance and no benefits they would stop coming. It is abbout time WE did somethng.
GREAT....... Carry on bleeding our country dry so theres nothing left for the hard working British tax payer!!!! Disgusting !!!!
It is so wrong that they have an automatic right to benefits and healhcare, when we have pensioners on reduced income due to insufficient credits during their working lives - particularly women. Why can't we stop them flooding our country and handle immigration like Australia and the USA do. - Diana, Newcastle under Lyme, United Kingdom, 24/12/2012 00:57 Australia has a terrible immigration problem. An Aussie pal of mine just returned to Melbourne after 10 years in the UK and he says it is just as bad if not worse. They arrive on boat by the hundred, get caught and are locked up pending tribunal during which time they get about AUS 10,000 allowances which they send back to pay for another two to come over. You have to laugh the Aussies are paying for their own illegals and as for the US the border with Mexico may as well not be there. I know many US family's who have illegal cooks, nannys, gardeners and drivers.Their advantage is that like AUS they have space whilst we are full up
Absolutely horrifying.......I'm no racist, but the pressure on the system will break us as a nation....We're Doomed !
I feel sorry for these people but EU has to try to solve their problems withing their borders not allowing them to move to another and destroy it.And considering we might join EU in a year I am filled with horror than they might start coming this way at some point.
lets hope cameron, takes the opportunity to control the influx, instead of just opening his arms and welcoming millions, just like labour did, labour ruined us, mr cameron dont do the same.
S a v e B r i t a i n : V O T E U. K. I. P.
Its NO good the British people complaining if they are'nt prepared to vote to get OUT of the Corrupt EU so instead of sitting indoors complaining at ANY elections get out there and VOTE UKIP and rid ourselves of the Corrupt EU.LETS RECLAIM BRITAIN.
No worries, their first stop will be Germany.
And the thing is, these foreigners will come here and get every penny & pound they are 'entitled' to, then in a few years they will go back home leaving all their debts behind for you and me to pay. And they will have saved a fair bit and will live like millionaires in their native land!! I work with these people already and they admit they are only here for the money, and they have no intention of putting anything back into the system, and I hate each and everyone of them! This isnt Great Britain anymore, its United Europe !!! The Channel Tunnel was one of the worst things ever created!!
welcome all I say, but if you come here with no Job, no houseing, no money, dont, this Gov needs to stop benefits for all Eastern Europeans untill they have been here for about 2 to 3 years. we cant aford it, this Gov keeps teeling us this with our own . you cant pay for one, ahd take away from others who hole life as been lived here in the UK. I dont call it England any longer. bet this one dont go up as well, very picky the DOM paper.
God helps us all. Those last three pictures are what England will be like if we let in these people. Our politicians really need to wake up to this and put a stop to this. It's not discrimination about colour or race... these people have no morals. The liberal left will probably tell me it's illegal to discriminate against thieves.. God help us all.
Vote Ukip out of a dozen friends 11 will vote this way as it has to stop. We are sick of this open door policy, they should not be allowed to claim anything, they should have jobs, money and housing paid by themselves and most of all speak English.
This is frightening.
IT HAS TO STOP...........Britain is a small country and cant take more people coming here. What ever problems there are in European countries the countries have to sort them out. Theres people suffering and struggling now in the UK........they need help. If people come here from Europe they get no benefits and no health care. They must pay for it. Its time UK said..........you want to come here.........you must have a job, cant claim benefits and have to pay for health care. Tough but its reality.
And what the devil are we going to do about it, sit on our backsides and moan as always? It's time we took to the streets in protest ( peaceful of course). Maybe it will get the message over to Cameron that we are sick and tired of our hospitality being abused by all and sundry who only want to take, take, take from us. At least it should get the message to the Romanians and Bulgarians that we do not want them in our country, taking our jobs and claiming benefits. I for one am sick and tired of how we are used and abused by foreigners and it's time something was done. I will definitely vote UKIP come the next election and I wish to God that there was one next month !!!
MORE CHEAP FARM WORKERS FOR THE QUEENS LAND, NO WONDER SHES HAPPY TODAY!
Send them to Brussels... they are the ones who are keeping our doors open. We are full up, so send them to the self elected creatures over there!
Good News Hoo Ra cant wait at last a dream come true, I can finally leave when the 29 Million come over and the only ones left in the UK will be the DM & Sun readers, and I can move to there country and live a wonderful tax free existance, in either Bulgeria or Romania.
Daily Mail being true to form spreading Christmas Eve anxiety. No surprise that reports of attacks on Eastern Europeans are increasing. Irresponsible journalism.
Dear DM, Please inform yourself before publishing such type of article!!. First of all you must know that currently Romania has a population of 19 millions and Bulgaria 7 millions and thus you can write about a total of 26 millions people wanting to immigrate in your "beloved " Great Britain. In my opinion you can really use either journalism lessons or math lessons. However, the most important thing I want to emphasize as a proud Romanian citizen is that Romania is NOT equal to the gipsy minority that unfortunately was born in this country. Nowadays, the gipsy minority is of ONLY 619 000 thousands - 3.2% from the total Romanian population. The rest of us work really hard in order to sustain ourselves and our families and we are not dreaming of receiving free allowances from you. At last but not at least, please do not show only such type of miserable pictures, both Romania and Bulgaria are beautiful countries.
Well what are WE going to do about it? NOTHING as laways people sound off but do nothing.
There will be plenty of room for them, due to the mass exodus of taxpayers who will be leaving this country
This has got to be a sick joke, if not, you rich people better watch out, because YOU will be the ones paying the Benefits bill.
Are these folk Mary and Joseph. And are we the Innkeepers I wonder?
When will people get off their backsides an organise a protest against the destruction of Britain by the EU and our impotent government?
Fantastic news..... Just what Britain needs!!!!'
It makes you wonder what all the brave British soldiers and civilians from WWI and WWII gave their lives for.
Time to fill in the Channel Tunnel!
Seriously EVERYONE needs to VOTE UKIP next or this country is in even more trouble than it is now!********************************************************************************************************************
This is a joke, right?
If they have no jobs to come too, they can't come in. It's as simple as that!
My friend's children have the best idea - they have moved to New Zealand; the writing is on the wall for GB. The best I can do is to vote for UKIP next time.
For God's sake, Cameron. Grow some and stop this pan-European farce. Romania is already deserted of street accordianists and beggars - they're all over here sellling The Big Issue. I thought that magazine was set up to assist hard-pressed British people. If the Bulgarians are allowed in too there'll be blood in the streets when they fight the Romanian beggars for the prime street corner pitches.
Who was the clown who said, when enlargement of the EU came about....`there will only be about 12,000 a year coming here`....step forward Nu-Liebour, Home Secretary David Blunket..... Blairs government flooded this country with over 3 million people, and signed up to accept more..... The only way out is to leave the EU....and the Labour Party certainly do want that.
THAT'S it we are in a reality show. Oh thank GOD.
I resent my hard earned tax going to these people. how about you ask me where my money should go. this is just disgusting. Im livid
Errr, why, exactly, are they 'entitled' to benefits here ? STOP GIVING BENEFITS TO NON BRITISH NATIONALS !!!! for at least the first five years, then they wouldn't bother coming in the first place ....
Yet when we wanted to emigrate to New Zealand - with our own money - and private medical care - able to support ourselves totally - no criminal record - and in good health - we couldn't get through the red tape. Let alone go somewhere else and claim benefits. Mad mad mad country - crazy laws we have. Angry Granneeeeeeeee now.
we are an ISLAND we need to shut our borders and deal with the problems we have not every one else s
There's only eight million people in Bulgaria
its time to leave the country!!!
The U.K. keeps diluting anything good they ever had.
hes better off there ,,standing room onlyn in britian ur comments:
Ex Pats in Australia & Canada have their Government Pensions frozen. Yet we all paid our National Insurance since the day we left school. What have these immigrants contributed??????????
Ok, they come here to live, but don't give out our money or homes to any of them. They should live in our country off their own backs. NO medical, NO homes and NO benifits for the first 5 years. i have lived abroard and thats how all ex-pats were treated.
why are we paying benefits to none British citizens? a foreign citizen should only get benefits from they home country. if you want to cut the tax bill cut out paying for none british unemployed. and if they don't have a job send them back home. if they eu don't like it we should leave. some of these countrys are paying they unemployed to come here it has too STOP.
Who can blame them. If I lived in an awful counttry like that I'd want to settle somewhere better. To those saying they hate Britain etc. - go and live elsewhere then, no one's stopping you. We forget how lucky we are to have been born here, spare a thought for those who aren't so lucky.
When did we sign up for this? Another dodgy labour deal?
HOW MANY MORE CLUES DO THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN NEED, BEFORE THEY VOTE UKIP? IT COULDN'T BE ANY MORE BLEEDIN' OBVIOUS!!
When did we sign up for this? Another dodgy labour deal?
Stop posting and start voting. Apathy has given the politicians the power to run roughshod over us.
Bl**dy Blair he should be tried for treason.
ALL TAX PAYERS NEED TO GO ON STRIKE UNTIL ALL THE DOORS ARE CLOSED AND THE COUNTRY HAS HAD A GOOD FLUSH OUT.WHY SHOULD WE WORK ALL WEEK TO PAY OUR TAXES TO THESE PEOPLE?
This is absolutely the last straw. The people in this country who have worked all their lives and paid in are being told no when they need help. We are having to let in the scum of Europe and pay for the privilege. Cameron get a grip. Do you not see what is happening here or is keeping the bureaucrats happy more important to you than the people who voted you in. We are sick to death of being made to feel we are the visitors in our own country. Get us out of Europe now. Stand up and be the leader this country so desperately needs.If you can't then step down and make way for someone who is willing to fight for us. This is about our childrens futures. DO SOMETHING NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And we the people have had no say whatsoever in this huge decision which will irreversibly change our country forever and put huge pressure on a whole range of resources. Blair approved it. Cameron will facilitate it. We'll be stuck with it.
We need to introduce immigration controls like they have in Australia. you can only get in to Australia if you have the skills they require. We should have the same qualifying criteria here, regardless of where you are coming from including anywhere in Europe. Surely we can be part of Europe (not sure this does us any favours anyway) without opening our borders to every criminal who wants to come here.
If one million Romanian and Bulgarian families move to Britain, this will cost us £30bn more in schooling, healthcare, housing and benefits. Mr Cameron, we can't afford this
You let it happen no good moaning as they steal everything including your houses.
Ah. Such a sad story about these hypocritical Christians who sit in church listening to the 10 commandments and then go out and rob the very next person they see. If you allow this to happen Camoran you deserve to be put in the tower to rot for your despicable treatment of Britain and the British people. Give us a referendum NOW and get us out of this EU madness.
These countries won't be so bad after a few years of remittances, they might even be worth a visit, and if you don't feel the need to pay for anything, no one there will think bad of you.
UKIP. UKIP. UKIP
We can't control any flooding in the UK whether it be people or water! It's time someone took control and put the Great back in our country.
What's the point in me being a royal marine commando ? doing 32 weeks painful training just for this to be allowed. I take risks every single day and for what..who am I fighting for (my country) what's my country again ..is it Romania or Britain? I'm 19 years old and I don't deserve this at all. We need to stop these freeloaders in this country,
I'm sorry but we are full.
I noted he didn't make any comment of coming here to work, his people just want to claim Benefits.
This sort of economic migration will eventually stop when we are at the same living standards as countries like Romania.
Stop whining get off your fat lazy backsides and protest against this petition your local MP and councillors but stop whining and get off your fat backsides and get active
Dont get to comfortable Immigrants, There WILL BE a new Government before long so do not bother un-packing.....
Actually it was LABOUR who messed this country up Blair followed by that chump Brown, who dragged our country into the gutter ... Oh yes and also sold half our gold reserve (and he wasn't even elected). Want to blame people start with them !!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!i already feel like a foreigner in my own country :(
Mr Cameron, if you do not stop this (no matter what Europe says) you do not have a hope of winning the next election, can you not see that the majority of the population in this Country do NOT want this type of indiscriminate immigration, and believe me, having recentley started working with the elderley I can assure you they are horrified by this, you will not be getting their vote. We do not have enought money in this Country to pay for these people, we are not looking after our own let alone them. Stop this or UKIP will be taking over, like it or not!!!
we have beggars on our streets police wont have the time to investegate every crime we just cant wait
Come on UKIP! We need you're services! Get us out of the EU ASAP!
Everyone should move to Bulgaria. Last one to leave please turn out the lights!
I would now rather vote bnp than to let this keep happening.
Tonight instead of watching the fiction called East Enders or corrie street, sit down and write a letter to your MP. Enclose a copy of this article and say ENOUGH YOU BUNCH OF BUFFOONS. It will take just 10 minutes of your time. Post it Thursday. It will make u feel better and if WE ALL DO IT, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN
Hope they have Mr Blairs address and the rest of the Labour Governments. They wanted them in let them have them.
And people still vote for the Lib/Lab/Con trio who want us to remain in the EU . I dont blame EU citizens for wanting a better life for immigrating here but by doing so they access our welfare benefits and reduce employment opportunities. We need immigration but it has to be controlled and only those who offer benefits to our economy rather than take from it should be allowed , Only one Party , UKIP, offers a rational immigration policy
England isn't that big, where are all of them going to live? There isn't enough jobs and housing for the people that are already there. England is going broke and what is this going to your health care system. I think it's time for the good people of England to go out into the streets and protest and tell your government, ENOUGH IS A ENOUGH ! It's time for the people of England to take back your country and make it the great country that it alway was. I wish you luck, here from the USA.
This is What happens when You have (Voted4) a Weak-Government. (Mr Cameron Nick Clegg Ed Milliband & Co). The Muppets. Thats why the UK needs a Real-Man/Leader to be Free & Independent As Soon As Possible from Germanys/EU.
God now I don't just feel scared, I feel sick as well. Someone (I'm guessing only UKIP can) please help us stop this outrageous nonsense now.
Election in 2013 maybe before this criminal invasion begins???? May sound desparate but the situation is!! Just that our sleep walking PC politions have not realised it yet. Thanks Mr Blair and Brown, Blunket etc for signing us in this hell.
'All we want is a normal life like the British people. I would like to go because I support Manchester United. There we would get our housing paid and child benefits' Come on UK you need do something about this before its too late!
I don't ever remember voting for mass unlimited immigration? Oh that's right we couldn't vote as we weren't allowed by unelected dictators.
Nice christmas story Daily Mail. Those people are trying to escape misery and all you can think off is your benefit system. And who will pick your apples, harvest your asparagus, etc if it weren't for the immigrants who work hard. Much harder in fact than you British overweight Tracy's in your council flat with your 4 kids..... Know what I mean?
British people are too lathargic these days - too much TV. Once upon a time "United we Stand", could have worked, but not today...
Simple answer to the problem Vote UKIP then we can start to lock the Gate 50 years of Labour and Conservative rule and worse off than ever time to change before its to late.
Let them in providing they speak perfect English have a job to go to enough money as there will be no benefits until they pay in for 5 years.
I don't particularly want to vote ukip but this situations a ticking time bomb the government needs to sort. if this country hits the skids it'll be us British jumping ship to get out. britians days are numbered.
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!!!
My son can't get any benefits for three years because he is actually British and has a British passport but has lived in Cyprus and Australia most of his life. If the government can cut off their own people they should cut off these ones too. Obviously there is a big problem on the horizon and no one brave enough to fix it.
Probably going to get loads of reds, hey ho, feel the need to express................Enough now! I personally have no problem with anyone from anywhere coming here as long as they are working and paying into the system the same as everyone else....We have enough people from the UK who don't want to work and seem to be better off than us lot that work two jobs, never mind one....If they cannot find a job, they shouldn't be allowed benefits until they have paid in......I am from the UK and probably couldn't get benefits or a house if I lost my job (Rant over)
Can we have a say in this , because we don't want millions more coming here , don't have a legitimate job to go to , then don't let them in .
Frightening.
I really do not understand this issue why dont they go to germany or france, why only britain?
Welcome to Britain. The Human Dustbin of the world.
cant blame those in poverty wanting a better life, can blame our government for keeping our borders open despite the fact all of our natives are undergoing tough financial sacrifice due to the economy. its simply unfair on the tax payer.
Last one out behind me turn off the lights
Guys,I'm romanian ,and i'm telling you this: how can be possibile 29 milion to come here when romanian population is 18 milion right noe and bulgaria has 9 milion right now? So we close down 2 country's completlly and still need another 2 milion to complete 29? Why nobody thinks?
Doesn't it say it all about the success of the EU that people have to crawl about in rubbish tips to find food? As for this country? It' s finished. The rich pampered politicians won't have to tolerate the negative effects of the next influx because those of us who will, are keeping them in luxury. An uprising can't be far away here in the UK
If they've never contributed to the system, why do they get benefits? It's insane.
omg just when you thought it coudln't get any worse
Guys,I'm romanian ,and i'm telling you this: how can be possibile 29 milion to come here when romanian population is 18 milion right noe and bulgaria has 9 milion right now? So we close down 2 country's completlly and still need another 2 milion to complete 29? Why nobody thinks?
this community is creating problems in east Slovakia for many many years and when government trying to solve the problems with them, then they are accused of human rights and racial discrimination!!! I hope UK government will do something about it.
If you don't like it vote UKIP
Thats right DM....stir it up.
When will our labotomised politicians do a "days work" and earn THEIR pay? All they need to do is pass a law to deny benefits of ANY KIND to am immigrant for 5 years. Also to prove that the immigrant has been in full employment for a full 5 continuous years. It isn`t "rocket sience". We need to get out on the streets over this. I`m sick of our "overpaid politicos " .Can you imagine any other EU country suppinley accept this abuse of their hospitality ? We didn`t invite these people here and we don`t want them, and we certainly don`t NEED them.
A crime and disease tsunami, celebrate this Miliband!
Ukip ukip ukip all the way
Great, "welcome to the dustbin of the world".
When do we as a proud Brits say enough is enough? No wonder we are perceived to be a nation of whingers with no back bone. The only good thing is UKIP will gain more and more supporters. People have had enough. I really do worry if the government sit back and do nothing about this.
Hopefully they will all enjoy life in the capital
WHAT NO WAYS, we are over crowded now and no jobs for british people and we the tax payers are paying enough to support our own people we will not stand for any more coming here and sponging off our system, we dont have the resources now if this lot come too we will go under, do we want to end up looking like the countries they are coming from, broken down and poor, I for one say stand against this and don't let any more in
All you people who are blaming Cameron are kidding yourselves. This mess was started by Blair & his cronies boosting the welfare state. If Cameron was booted out who do you think will take his place? Yes, Milliband & his lot who have exactly the same spend, spend, spend p[policies as Blair & Brown. UKIP is still only our third party! The only hope is for everyone to get off their backsides &, as I have just done, write to their MP demanding that something is done. If enough people did it (some hope, they'd rather moan on here!) we might be on with a chance.
THIS will finally kill off the England I was born into
How can we afford to keep these people when we can't feed some of our own we will end up with thousands of food banks.Benefit state, we must be the laughing stock.
Now is the time to use our army back from duties elsewhere to protect our borders !! David Cameron needs to bring in measures to stop this invasion now !!
This must be stopped before it starts.
Given the "standards" of living you can't blame them. They are not enemies of the state, they are desperate people. However, the UK does not have to take them in, in fact, we can't, it's just not feasible to take in millions of uneducated, unskilled people. How can you have a viable country thrive economically with millions of poor immigrants? We have enough of our own people who are uneducated and unskilled... I am bleeding leftie but this can't go on, especially in the current climate. Time to get tough unfortunately.
poetic justice for rampant colonizers. i'm sure the indians didnt want you in their country and treating them like dirt for over 300 years! what goes around comes around.
How about a new law stating that you don't get benefits of any kind until you have worked and paid income tax for at least a year??
How big do they actually think the uk is?
Why is it that we happily accept anyone although they can offer nothing to this country except the ability to sponge from us. We can barely afford the population we have now let alone millions more! When will we learn that people which one here should have a trade and be able to speak the language and give something back, we can no longer carry on being mr nice guy, it will be the death of us!
close it all down! there is no housing, no jobs, not much of anything here for us anymore, there are people suffering here and they want to let more into a country where our leaders has made some of the problems worse, think its time this mess is sorted out pronto!
My daughter has been ill all her life, but now because of the farce that is ESA her benefits will end in one year, although she will never be able to work. Now I know who will be getting her benefits. Shame on you Mr Cameron.
I genuinely fear for the future of our tiny little island.
America has closed loop holes to stop people claiming. Close the loop holes and stop everyone without a british passport or birth certificate from claiming off us. With all these immigrants coming in taking our jobs and claiming our benefits, there is nothing left for the British. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
Stop benefits until five years contributions have been made, stop giving houses.I have left Britain,as have many others, it is now not the place to live.
week goverment shut the door now,the longer its left the more the exstreme baklash,
The EU has become a monster, the biggest organized social engineering programme in history, shoved down our throats without our consent but with full approval of the PM and his sidekick Clegg, masterminded by Blair in 2004, traitors the whole sorry lot of them Am I right in assuming that the UK can opt out of this open borders for the whole of the EU. If so, bet we wont. Cameron is becoming a snake like Blair was, he is making all the right noises about changes, but will sit back and see the UK destroyed by a Tsunami of people we cant cope with. If this lunancy doesn't stop, we wont recognise this country, complain, and you will be branded a bigot.
the UK is full enough, we cannot have more people, there aren't even enough jobs for people here now yet alone with the flood of immigrants here now and in future.
How is Britain going to cope if the thousands do all arrive here. We do not have enough houses for our own people. How can they just get housing benefit, child benefit etc. when we have such large deficits. They will arrive with nothing so they will be provided with accommodation, furniture, clothing and will bleed this country dry. Enough is enough - about time we said our country cannot cope with anymore and close our borders for good.
General Election NOW......These TRAITORS in Government are intent on destroying OUR country and LIARbour will do exactly the same as the CONservatives. WE the people want OUR BORDERS CLOSED.....The ONLY party that will do this is UKIP....
and this is why I'll never return to the country I used to love....
Your comments:I think this is absolutely disgusting - while I feel for these poor people - if the UK let everyone else in (as they have already let I don't know how many millions in in the last don't know how many years) the country will become 3rd World, just like the ones these people leave. When that happens and money is not given to them Freely do you think they will stay in the UK to help salvage the place......not on your bottom dollar...they'll Be straight back to where they came from because by then their Government will be cashing it in, mainly money from The UK which was sent back .....the only losers in this is the UK.....sort yourself out, glad I left years ago!,,
Eastern Europeans are great workers, highly qualified and actually keen to work. I hire Poles, Ukrainians and Russians.
FGsS if it is pssible to open the borders surely they can be closed. Good job for the troops returning from ove rlseas guarding the home front and it may come to that because the infrastructure will not cope with that lot. All the countless lives sacrificed over the years and now this or there will be BIG trouble.
Next election? Bring it on!
Remember Mr Cameron is in charge now and will no doubt send out 'clear messages' and 'do the right thing', so just keep repeating the government mantra "We need more skilled immigrants" then hit the On button so that big flat screen hanging from the wall springs into life and everything will be fine.
This makes me feel panicy!! There must be something we can do to stop this. We cannot afford to look after our own people. We surely cannot let this happen!
I can hardly wait for another wave of benifit scroungers to swamp our country and my tax going towards it. Mr Cameron don't you think when you are cutting benifit for people here you should shut the bl---y door.
wait till the Eastern Eurpeans start lining up to be this countries politicians in the future, you think it will be bad soon wait till we have a Bulgarian Prime Minister.......it could happen!
A few days ago I read in the DM that Obama wants the UK to stay in the EU. So there is no chance o fgetting out of the EU unless another party is voted in, that will opt out of the EU. This is the only way..
It is totally ridiculous - No more migrants from Europe - Referendum NOW - Out of the EU NOW - We can't afford any more Eastern European scroungers - Remember who signed us up to the EU Political Union? THATCHER!! OUT WITH THE TORIES NOW!!!!!!
Good Luck with that!
I grew up in England and now live in New Zealand, my heart tries to get me to move back now and again but my brain screams NO! Open borders has ruined our nation.
Be afraid, be very afraid. The paperwork has already been agreed and signed for this to happen by the UK Government. Cameron must stop this and soon.
I feel sick, sick that i didn't see this coming a long time ago and save to escape this pitiful cesspit of a country!
Thanks Labour you bunch of bloody morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and your coalition idiots are no better
Britains a mess. End of.
How were these low life,poverty stricken countries able to join the EU. What was the criteria? If we whve to pay millions a day to stay in this corrupt club,where is Bulgaria going to find the fees? We don't have the housing or jobs to accomadate these people,and we can't afford to import more crime. We must all vote UKIP at the next election,regardless of the normal leanings we have to other parties. This is our last chance to salvage what is left of our country.
But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too.== I've got news for you that day has already arrived and what a cesspit our countries turning into.
To think I used to vote conservative, now it has to be UKIP all the way for me to get us out of this mess!
I am coming too, will i be the last straw that breaks, the camel's hump etc...
I cant even read past the headline on this story it makes me so angry,my god we are at breaking point as it is,we need someone in power to stand up to Cameron and say absolutely do not let these people in ,Benefits and services are being cut to the bone for our own,yet thousands are arriving that have not put a penny into our system and will be claiming,UKIP for me at the next election without a doubt.
No I am NOT Paying for their benefits. How dare this Government expect us to do so. This is asking f or trouble.
Erm i think you woll find labour are to blame for openi g our flood gates to the imigrants not the torys
This madness must stop. Unless they have a job to go to they must not be allowed in to the UK. I am a civil servant and I see a number of people each week who have come here to look for work yet can't speak a word of English.
I left the UK 8 years ago, it had gone to the dogs back then, but I see the worst has yet to come. No MP, no PM with the exception of UKIP has large enough testacies to do what should be done, as a consequence the UK sinks further into the abyss. As for the young; I could weep. Too many people cheer themselves up with owning over valued property, but it matter not a jot how many deck chairs have your towel on them, not on the Titanic anyway!
We'll deal with this like we always do in the UK, unfortunately, and that's to bend over and take it up the jacksy! I think we deserve all we get, not one person in this country will protest, we'll just have a bloody good moan about it, me included, I'm ashamed to say.
ukip all the way for me next time round .A certain mr farage will put an end to this madness . I Hope those two limp wrists clegg and camoron are reading this
The circle of traitors and Brussels fifth columnists that litter Westminster are to blame for the saturation of the British Isles, I no longer believe their blather about immigration controls or false promise of a referendum on EU membership, UKIP are the only hope for this beleaguered country now.
Blood. Boiling.
Are these pictures of typical Romanians/Bulgarians DM? Also what about the 7 million British Expats living in other countries. BTW i am a tax paying British citizen,
Nice of you to show a couple of pictures of the sink estates they'll be moving into....so much better than what they're used to...
I believe the UK is still one the best country¿s in the world, its people in the main work hard and play fair. They welcome anyone who wants to better their lives by using the same principles. There is always going to be whingers and scroungers, but our people can and do ride above this dross to make our country one of the best. God bless the UK and our people.
Blair Brown Cameron and Clegg i loathe and despise what you have done to our once great country.Brave men fought and died in protecting our freedoms and our borders.My uncles supreme sacrifice has all been for nothing. For God`s sake stop voting for Liebore,Libdemons and Conartists.They have allowed the corrupt E.U.to take control of our borders.No other country in World has been subjected to mass and uncontrolled immigration like we have been.Allready we are grossly overcrowded,and everything is collapsing all around us,the whole infarstrure is almost at bursting point.We hardly make anything anymore,once production goes the economy soon goes with it.Yet no serious attempt has been made in halting immigration.If this sheer lunacy is allowed to continue,there will no longer be a future for our grandchildren, here in the country of their birth.
I will be very proud the day we leave Europe
Let's face it, the UK is finished - destroyed by the politicians. If you can get out, get to somewhere like Australia or New Zealand, where those in charge care about the future of their nation.
HAHAHA laughable apathetic Brits pleased i got out you deserve all the Romanians you get. You lot voted them in !!!!
Communism has finally won. What makes the Polish any better? Throw them all out starting with the Blair witch, Gordon Frown and David Camoron.
I can't believe this. This is economic warfare on a grand scale. What is wrong with a government which allows even the remotest possibility, never mind that it is fact.
Not such a United Kingdom, not so Great Britain.
Britain needs another political party of substance. Tony Blair and his sidekick Gordon Brown bowed down to Brussels and Cameron is in the same pot of fools. Everyone thinks we wont vote for the Tories again, and votes for labour, Its like a spiral of disasters one after another
Say, "NO." You need to protest this. Find who's idea this was and throw them out of office! You don't have to take this!
Whilst I'm sorry for their living conditions and standard of living I feel it's now long overdue that we put a stop to so many people moving to the UK unless they have something to offer. Other countries don't allow this so why the heck should we!
And I know just the place where they can set up their caravans and get out their begging bowls, Blair Manor in the Chilterns.
Don't bother yourselves
think we need to think about our selves for a change before we think about others not our problem we have enough migrants here
As a teacher in a primary school I'm saddened by the amount of foreign children that attend our school and sit blank-faced as they speak no English at all. The school resources have been stretched to breaking point, standards are slipping as we struggle to cope with the influx of children from the EU. In one class alone, 16 different languages are spoken. I am NOT racist but we can take this no longer. We are full, plain and simple, shut the borders now please, before its too late for our once great nation.
29 million more people to live on government handouts! What idiot made this decision. I feel sorry for these people but they need to get their own government to help them. Where is the money coming from to give to these people? How much will it cost? This will bankrupt the UK. Look at what government handouts has done to the USA.! The people are idiots if they let this happen.
No real alternative but to vote UKIP and let a referendum decide our fate in Europe. If we get out soon, we wont have to take all these free loaders. Cameron (call me Dave), Clegg and Milliband will never yield on leaving europe. So the only choice will be UKIP.
UK is such a lovelly place with so many history and a very special culture and people, please dont let distroy, there are already too many imigrants and I couldnt find English while visiting London.
How to ruin a country when all invasions have failed, step one elect politic masters who sell your country down the line, step three elect political masters who love other country's other than their own country, step three, join the European Union that allows other country's people to come into your country and take as many jobs and benifits from its own taxpaying people. step four, job done its ruined.
Now this is the result of those of you who voted Lib/Lab/Con you must be so glad you did. ---so enjoy
This is madness. Get UK out of Europe ASAP
The UK needs to leave the EU before it becomes a 3rd world country caused by the mass influx of immigrants, I saw the way the UK was going some 7 years ago and decided to leave for a better life in Thailand I know it was the right choice to make and have no regrets. I urge others who are considering leaving to do the same before it is to late. I have been a Conservative all my life but unless they change I believe the good people of British nationality will vote for UKIP in the next election !!!!!!!!
Vote BNP - they will sort it .
The best advertisement for getting the hell out of Europe
29 Million? Is this a sick joke? No probably not, this country is full up - we should just stick a big sign up saying, Full Up and Fed Up With Bl@@dy immigrants sponging off us. Get your finger out of your backside CAMORON and do something. Show some backbone, you spineless wimp - you are more concerned with gay marriages. You have got to do something NOW - I hate this country with a passion now.
Only the true. English, Welsh or Scottish need complain, everyone else irrespective of being born here is of immigrant stock!
I´m sure the brits who migrated to America (and I mean the entire continent) were better welcomed. Selfish and nasty commets here.
I think the UK joining the EU will eventually lead the UK into semi-ruin. Get out before it's too late! Truth is, if all that is left of Anglo-Saxon (and Celtic) England is old churches and a few big tourist sites in London, your tourism will drop off, too, but maybe you would rather have more immigrants and less tourists? It's up to you.
What goes around comes around. Karma. Go on Rule Britannia. Imperialism results in...your reality today. Jaguar, LandRover owned by Indians, Cadbury owned by Americans, Harrods owned by Arabs. However you still have full control of your welfare state. Too bad your politicians need to pander to your new comers to survive.
Well I don't want them here but I am British so have no say in my own country any more.
I live in Bulgaria and the thing is if these Romas decided to make something of themselves they could, there is so much opportunity for new ventures in this country but no one has taught them to think for themselves. That is the simple truth, the Bulgarians are hard workers and if they thought about it they could really earn some good money, we live in a country who has only recently founded supermarkets, we have no theme parks, we have hardly any water parks, youth clubs, you name it, we are so far behind, there is room for improvement but it's a case of fighting it and not running away to the UK where they expect it to be milk and honey.
Well, it's just a matter of time until the United States also becomes a third-world hellhole. We're also well on our way.
this is what we are known for throughout the world, every half brained scrounger knows that he can sit on his backside and get paid for it.whatever happened to us only letting in people who could benefit out society, we have two and a half million unemployed here allready. that does not include all the people claiming sickness benefit,being in the EU means we are going to get all the other countries unemployable layabouts, and we can do nothing about it. did we want to go in to the EU.we didnt get the choice, we were told we were going into it without debate.look about you and see were it has got us.UKIP here I come.
How on earth does a country with so much poverty be accepted into the EU.
'.won't affect me, I got out while the going was good! - Mr Robot , New York, 24/12/2012 01:14' And me.
When all the taxpayers have left, who will pay the benefits then?
For goodness sake get us OUT of Europe and its silly laws. Can't the government see that we've all had ENOUGH!!! This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. I have voted Tory for 56 years but not any more - I'm changing over to UKIP. They appear to want to keep Britain for the dross we already have here at present. We can't take any more scroungers just coming here for our benefits.
Cameron get us out of the EU and block our borders BEFORE this happens or face theconsequence of Massive claims on benefits, housing and NHS not to mention the justice bill as Romanian and Bulgarian gangs who are already here (Illegally) have pushed up crime rate. Soft touch Britain CANNOT cope NOW!! and the people who will suffer most is the British TAXPAYER? Being in the EU is bleeding Britain to death!!
WE MUST STAND UP FOR OUR COUNTRY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE OR WE WILL SEE THE REAL DAMAGE DONE BY BLARE AND BROWN,PLEASE WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF EU NOW..........OR FACE BANKRUPTCY.
Yet again, the resources of the UK are to be wasted on freeloaders from abroad who have not and will not contribute to the Public Purse. I am fed up from seeing the collossal scale on which Taxpayers money is being squandered. I am a professional and have been offered a job in Australia where I will at least have the satisfaction in knowing that the tax that I pay will not be wasted . Labour have destroyed the UK and unfortunately the LIb Cons have fared no better For all of you who choose to put up with this disgraceful situation , all I can say is beware your Pensions and NHS - they will SURELY be whittled away
Government action NOW!
The problem is we are not allowed to speak up we get branded as racist if we do !?!?
It's what known by the the progressive liberalism movement in our present, and previous governments as part of an 'interesting and diverse culture', and should be welcomed. It would appear the 'Plebs' see it differently.
We honour the war dead every year. It seems like wearing a poppy is a symbol of pride . Unfortunately the troops that gave their lives up would not have done so had they have known that their country was to be sold to Brussels . We need to come together people on the stuff that really matters. This matters. We will not be divided and conquered
I cannot put into words how depressed this article made me feel. I've told my kids to emigrate, it's too late for me and hubby now, so that they have a better quality of life elsewhere. The UK is finished if they let this wave of immigrants in :0(
Our politicians are playing with fire while standing next to a keg of gunpowder which is balanced on a nuclear weapon. And the fools cannot see it.
The hope these people have is inspirational. Aim higher than benefit scrounging. Aim for prosperity and liberty. Come to America as a new wave of immigrants like previous waves which have made our country a melting pot of freedom lovers. We have room. Idaho is booming with an oil rush, job opportunities and much open land. Our Statue of Liberty in New York, when immigrants came by sea: " Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, the tempest-tost to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Glad I moved to New Zealand in 2003!
If we have to spend our hard on money on them, why don't we just pay them to stay away?
Why do you keep voting for the same lib/lab/con traitors? You're voting for this!
Can't believe it! How did these countries get in the EU in the first place? Just so they could get free benefits? Why do we have to have all the dregs of Eastern Europe to get free houses and benefits as well as continuing with their criminal activities? We can't afford to feed and house our own poor and needy, let alone bring in loads from other countries. Its bad enough we have to pay all their expenses, but we have to put up with them when they're here-either begging in the streets or robbing us!
When r u true Brits going to stand up for yourselves !!!
When are we going to put a stop to this mass immigration. This government needs to grow a back bone. Vote UKIP It's our only hope !!!
all you labour voters can be proud of yourselves. job done
Bobby George the boxer? I thought he played darts?
This is another of the "Benefits", of our Euroland connection? I've got a feeling that all of them will be self-employed. They never seem to see the connection between their life style and the economic results. I wish half my rent was paid for by the council.
So Glad I emigrated in 2002. Sorry for all the British left behind.
The only way to control the stem of lawless immigrant criminals is to, get out of the Europe market.. It seems though that things have find so far that, there's probably nothing really the government can do, except stand back & hope it doesn't get too bad !! He, Mr Whammy(triple dip)((Call me 'Dave'))signed the European treaty as an adviser to John Major.
Has if we don't have enough dregs on the gravy train.
People ask why the government does nothing. The government has in fact done a lot. It change the law so people born and bred in London can be moved out to the provinces, which will free up much needed accommodation, and if that's not enough the bedroom tax will make it necessary for the British to take in lodgers, or move. What more could we do to help?
This is absolutely ridiculous! We are crowded ENOUGH without more coming over! What is this bod doing to our country???
I live in Bulgaria and believe me the scum are the expats who live here, as their only value in life is cheap beer and women who can't recognise their faults. So stop slagging off Bulgarian immigrants (emigrants) and remember the trailor trash (Dave. You know who you are) you're exporting.
Our beautiful England will look that soon to come. This government is bad for allowing this.
Should have listened to the Russians and help them keep up the 'iron curtain,'then we wouldn't be in this predicament.
Thanks Tony Blair, but if it's obeying the law, change the law, not human nature.
A reflection of our tolerance. why dont we build cruise liners and sail the seas picking up these useless people, and bring them here, for a start we should bring the austrailian aboriginese here after all we took their country of them. We are only borrowing £10 billion a month. Mr and mrs Cable think they are good for Britain. and lets not forget, Cable MR got elected
on the 100th anniversary of the great war too.
Simple vote for UKIP and then kcik them all out!!
They shouldn't be in the EU if they cant treat gypsies with equality.
TO THE BRAIN DEAD MASSES PLEASE PLEASE DONT VOTE LABOUR AND VOTE UKIP
I left Great Britain back in 1975 when it was still "Great Britain" ... I am so glad I did! I go back every year to visit family and friends, but every year what I see looks less and less like the country that I left. For God's sake, when are the government finally going to say enough is enough. The social support system in the UK is an amazing thing ... but totally abused by everybody who can manage to get across the channel and say "I'm here, give me a house and some money".
They know three things of Britain: The Queen, Man U and Never Ending Handouts. What I know is that our pensioners have to choose between food and heating because of mad immigration policies like this. We need out of the EU now! How long before Bulgaria/Romania instigate a relocation policy where their Government fund these people to come here to clear their own decks of social outcasts and criminals? And we have to take the lot of them on the taxpayer dime? Madness sheer utter contemptible madness.
Sheer Insanity ! How can this possibly be allowed to happen ? Left UK with my young family in 1957 after my Army Service in WW2 , have been home to visit family and each time the way things are there depress me more and confirms the hard decision we made then to leave .
My heart goes out to them, but it doesn't seem right that the British taxpayer should have to foot the bill for the bigotry of the rest of the Bulgarians and Romanians. I hope the law is changed so that they aren't allowed to come in and stretch Britain's already tight finances. Sorry, but there's not enough money to go round.
Their home is a slum because they've made it a slum. They'll come to the UK and make a slum of that too.
What happened to the government pledge to CUT immigration? Is this another promise that won't come to pass?
Not one politician will make a comment for fear of being branded a racist. England the dumping ground of Europe.
"You can see why we like Britain where everyone is treated fairly" Yes, everyone apart from the hardworking taxpayers.
Wake up Britain! You can't let this happen.
An absolute outrage! Listen to the people and stop ruining the country!
ONE year to get out of Europe then......a bit like The Mayan Apocolypse..... "THE WORLD WiLL NOT COME TO AN END IF WE DO!
There are a lot of negative, racist and bigoted comments about these people who have every right to move to Great Britain. The people that are now making the comments probably shouted the loudest about the racism and bigotry in the British colonies which served Britain well in the past.
email the link to this article to your local mp's
read it and weep!! am gled to say am out of the mad house.you cannot blame this government for decision made over the last 30 years. The trap was set and we walked into it.
GET OUT OF EU TO SAVE UK
Bring in those who are prepared to work hard, make room for them by shipping out those Brit's who are addicted to charity. We need people who will work hard and contribute tax to distribute amongst those who cant work through age etc. It should be argued that those who contribute are an asset, those that don't a liability, be they native or not.
This will be the death nail for the conservative party, they might just as well disband now if this is allowed to happen. IN/ OUT referendum NOW.
Say this isn't so! This will decimate all aspects of life in the UK , from social services, to housing to education. What about the fine people that built this country up? Will the UK be able to care for them in their old age, in a manner they deserve and have earned? I.e. a lifetime of paying taxes among many other contributions to british life.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Great Britain? Pfft, NO! We're a damn joke, our PM is a fool who would let anyone in! I'M VOTING UKIP! I don't care, I WANT OUT OF THE EU!
after centuries of occupying other country - poetic justice!
Enough is enough, lets close our doors and get us out of this EU!!!!!!
I just don't know what to say anymore. I'm saddened, sickened, upset, exasperated and more by what has happened to my country. And how can we afford to pay benefits to foreigners when we are giving genuine sick British people such a tough time. Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative they are all to blame in the sinking of HMS Great Britain once the greatest country that was and now a cesspit.
Its alot harder to kick people out than to keep them out. this goverment has allready failed us, theres no going back, the damage is done.
It's only going to get worse year on year! Nothing will be done until its too late and the damage is beyond repair as usual in this country. The labour & Conservative party haven't got the balls nor guts to tackle touchy subjects such as immigration. It's just sad that the hard pressed tax payer has to foot the bill, which is getting bigger & bigger each year.
Over 1 million migrants in the UK and I'm sure that's not a true recorded number! All you tax payers are being forced to pay for these benefits whether you like it or not and EU law does not state it is complusory for these migrants to have free entry into the UK it is at the discretion of the government. Merry Christmas......
@ Tesa: Strange that someone living in a welcoming multicultural country like Australian should be so opposed to Europeans coming to live in England. Let's hope that there is no Australian version of UKIP (AUSKIP?) running with a policy of sending English
let it happen.........when the benefits run out they will be forced to change the laws. Explain to me how a country can support a infinite amount of people that have never paid into the system? It just cant. As it stands now every asylum seeker can claim clothing allowance , income support , rent , free health care and free prescriptions, child support and have access to priority housing over people who have lived in this country and been on the housing list for years.
I left Great Britain back in 1975 when it was still "Great Britain" ... I am so glad I did! I go back every year to visit family and friends, but every year what I see looks less and less like the country that I left. For God's sake, when are the government finally going to say enough is enough. The social support system in the UK is an amazing thing ... but totally abused by everybody who can manage to get across the channel and say "I'm here, give me a house and some money".
And as usual the government is waiting until millions come here to claim benefits and demand housing and schooling before they realise it is a huge problem for this country. Ten we will see foreigners getting to the top of every freebie list going while people who are struggling here will get their benefits cut and no help because there won't be any money left. They know this is going to happen why aren't they putting a stop to it now, if that means getting out of Europe then it seems like it can only be a good thing.
Question. Why did I migrate? My list of pro's were many, my list of con's were only one. This wasn't it.
So many red-arrowed display their ignorance. No, you do not have to be resident here for five years to get benefits - you only have to turn up, thanks to an EU ruling on discrimination. No, there is no reciprocal arrangement - move to BG and you will have to pay in for years before you get anything, like they do. And no, British people have not 'colonised' BG - some have bought property there in the villages which have been abandoned, some on the coast. But there are already more Bulgarians in Britain than there are Britons in Bulgaria, and those who have moved to Bulgaria get no assistance there, and pay their own way, bringing much needed wealth into BG.
Your I got out the UK 4 years ago and miss it every day, it's never had a grip on immigration since the 50's and each successive government promises to change things but fails every time. It's ok for the politicians because they don't have to live in or shop in the same areas as the rest of the 'normal' people. It's too late to change things now but there needs to be control. At this rate I would rather stay where I am in WA. Come on people of UK, stand up and be counted. Use your vote wisely and break the status quo. There are other parties to choose from.:
And one of the reasons I will not be able to retire from nursing until I'm almost 70....
I feel so sad for Great Britain. How come the Government is allowing this to happen in an already ovedrcrowded country. I emigrated 30 years ago to Canada where there is so much more space and air to breathe.
Yeah it's called wealth redistribution. Empires tend to do that.
I got out the UK 4 years ago and miss it every day, it's never had a grip on immigration since the 50's and each successive government promises to change things but fails every time. It's ok for the politicians because they don't have to live in or shop in the same areas as the rest of the 'normal' people. It's too late to change things now but there needs to be control. At this rate I would rather stay where I am in WA. Come on people of UK, stand up and be counted. Use your vote wisely and break the status quo. There are other parties to choose from.
Welcome!
Glad I left there 2 years ago to move to Canada! It was bad enough back then.....
its over...
Well, frankly it sounds like they're willing to work at any job going, as long as they can improve their lives. A friend has an employment agency and she gets Poles in with PhDs who are happy to do absolutely anything - pick fruit, clean loos, you name it. No fancypants demands at all. They work hard and get on - and their kids do, too. Look at many council estates where you have families where nobody, over generations now, has ever worked at all, and ask yourself: who is the better person to have in the country?
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad. - Ashley , USA, 24/12/2012 01:22 because we have no balls, i really am ashamed to be british
If there 's a God then may he help you all. I left the UK because I foresaw what was happening. We were being swamped. You are now swamped, and soon you will drown. I am now in New Zealand, far from loved ones. We have a more financially impoverished life here but one of the benefits is that unless you live in Auckland, where half of the countries 4.5 million people live, then you have room to breathe. 4.5 million people living on the same land mass where the UK had 42,401,000 living in 2011. I love the UK, it is my country, but I am so glad I am not there to watch it sink under the weight of the poor Europeans. My thoughts and best wishes are with you all.
Go away, you are not welcome. In the UK stealing metal is not a profession and we already have enough people doing it for free. Instead of leeching off other countries why don't you all get some backbones and strive to make your own country better?
Meanwhile down at the foodbanks...
Britain, dustbin of the World. Never mind, don't complain about them coming here as all political parties want them as it's good for Britain. Don't forget you vote them into power so it's as much your fault. We need out of this farce called the E.U. now.
Why has Britain become the Mecca of Europe? Two of the worst decisions we ever made was ~ 1. Building a Channel Tunnel and 2. Joining the EU.
UKIP is our only chance. You have to be a complete idiot to vote any other party. If England has these entitlements and we have to pay how come the other EU states don't have the same. What is wrong with our stupid leaders? Why is their goal to completely distroy our country.
I left UK a few years ago when I thought it was bad enough there and It does not look like it will get any better!
So so glad I don't live in the UK any more. Was over in October and it is a very depressing place.
You see that, where they live. That will be us, England if we keep letting people in and living off benefits while the rest of us WORK so they can have a better life. What about us?
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash! - Tesa , Adelaide, Australia, 24/12/2012 01:13 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Are you joking, UKIP will never have any control in this country.
As usual, the Mail is capitalising on moral panic without even doing the maths first: the population of Bulgaria is 7,364,570, while the population of Roumania is 19,043,767; and the trend is down. Relax, folks!
And who is going to support these people? I thought the country was in a desperate state already without this insurge. When will some politicians listen to the people? Why dont they move to another country? IF the EU are stopping us refusing entry then it is indeed time to leave and give them the problem back and we can take control our country again.
When Labour win the next election they'll do everything they can to get every single one here. Hundreds of thousands of new Labour voters. Combined with the stupid Brits and the bribed client voters they think they'll be in power for ever. In fact it will just be till we end up like Greece and see real economic collapse and then real change.
Cameron!!! Get OUT of the EU NOW!!! This is INSANITY!!!
Don't worry. There is not the slightest chance that they could take your job...
Zzoo, Sweden - those countries might have better food, culture and architecture but what they don't have is what all those immigrants will want: free house, free money, free healthcare, free education.
Why are so many people allowed housing benefit. One girl I used to work with just told me she gets £500 a month and it was going going up soon!her boyfriend has packed in his job yesterday so they will be rakiing it in and they plan to have another baby next year despite just having one a month ago!aparantly £500 a month is not that much and she just spends it because its paid into her bank account and her boyfriend never asked for it because his wages before covered everything and extra! I couldn't believe what I was hearing no wonder we are in debt!!
Mr Blair's legacy lives on! It won't be long before the 'British' in the UK will be the minority, from the last Census information wasn't it revealed that 1 in 8 were already foreign. The benefit system has got to be contained in order to stop people wanting to come to this country. We need to spend money on our schools, hospitals etc not on benefits for people who arrive in this country looking for a new life. I'm sorry but this makes my blood boil.
Time for you all to get out, me thinks, while you still can.
I dont understand how they can claim benefits. My son was made redundant and could only claim a certain amount because he had only paid in a small amount but these people come over and claim for everything. Can someone tell me why they can get benefits please.
That's London finsihed! I'm leaving............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr Robot, New York, who are you trying to kid, that NY is better ?
i hate this country! as if it isnt hard enough to get a job!! now they will put a squeeze on benefits for everyone! and we will sink deeper into recession! im sorry but i dont really care if thier country is bad, somebody needs to put a stop to this and any other imagration! we have enough! go away!!!
Unbelivable...........Im fed up with this pathetic country, get me out of here!
No, no, no-ohhhh - enough already!! - Actually way more than enough already!! Reclaim Britain while we have a chance!!
Where are you going to put all those people? I live in California which is larger than the UK and has a smaller population and I think we are crowded!
"Blair and co have a lot to answer for. One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what??? Educator, Ohio USA" World War 11? When was that, I remember World War I and World War II, but somehow I missed the eight World Wars between WW II and WW eleven. What exactly is the subject you educate people in Ohio? Hopefully not history.
No. Just NO!
Thank goodness I sold my house, my business this year and moved out of UK. Sick about paying 40% tax to support parasites invited to my country by our government. I could just about tolerate supporting UK born scroungers, but this takes the biscuit. Goodbye welfare state. :)
Britain is FULL send them to Brussels!
Isnt it amazing how everyone can forsee problems yet the inept lot at Westminster cannot, I can only surmise that it is a deliberate plan by the leftie elites to destroy any community cohesion, rid a benefit system as unsustainable and NHS whilst letting our own get ignorant through pricing them out of education. I weep for this country, just to make sure all Europeans come here so they will vote in a referendum. That is why Camoron wants its after they are allowed here.
The racist bigots of UKIP won't like this.
There's no point sitting on your backsides hoping it wont happen. Get off your arses and stand up for once, don't roll over and take it again. The chinless wonders in government will walk all over you unless something is done, and quickly. Grow a pair....................
They would be wiser to head for a number of other EU countries where more work is available and benefits more generous. Austria, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc.
I thank God every day that we got out of Britain ,its becoming the dustbin of the world where we are the second class citizens and all the scroungers are given every help, after a lifetime of paying taxes my pension is frozen at the rate that i left we get no yearly increases ,yet you can walk into Britain pay nothing in and claim everything ,much of it the fault of being in the E.U
Your very welcome!
If they were NOT allowed to claim benefits they wouldn't bother coming. Why have I pad tax for years just so these people can come and live off me?
It would be cheaper for the government to pay Bulgarians/Romanians benefits at their countries respective rates for two years and not allow them entry into the UK for this time and this could mean the UK could leave the EU by this time. However if Alex (EU) Salmond gains Scotland's independence from UK then Bulgarians and Romanians will travel to Scotland then cross the border into England. In his case Scotland should pay their benefits, healthcare, education and housing after Scotland leaves the UK union through independence.
Escaped the UK 10 years ago. Was back in July 2012, shocked at how many eastern Europeans there were living there now. And not just in the big cities either. The UK has changed, not for the better. These people bring a very different way of life with them. I agree it's probably too late to do anything about it, move if you have the chance! Just opening another bottle of Sauvignon on a sun lounger and thinking of getting the BBQ on.
Crazy situation - chuffed to bits I not live in uk anymore
I really dont understand how this works ? ..I watched a program about an English family becoming homeless with four children and they were refused housing..and the Dad if the family was managing to work full time !....it really has to stop , when we have enough of our own social problems to worry about .
Don't complain like whinging poms,get off your backsides and do something about it.
You were stupid joining the EU in the first place, you should have stuck with the USA, AUstralia and the commonwelath countries instead
I was born here but my parents are foreigners HOWEVER I'm against more foreigners prancing into our country and using our system. The government needs to put an end to this.
Omg this makes me so angry! I'm disgusted at what is happening to our once great country. Soon we'll be a minority in our own home thanks to the government. It's about time David Cameron & the rest if them actually listened to us & gave us our referendum on the EU. I don't know a single person who'd vote to keep us in. Roll on the next election - UKIP all the way for me. The more David Cameron messes up & fails to listen to us, the more certain I am of my next vote.
I pay my taxes to my country, not to a charity that invites the whole world to come and take advantage of it. The Tories are no better than New Labour, they'll do absolutely nothing. They say it's an EU thing, so go against it, show some guts for the sake of OUR country.
Now that they've claimed all they can in Ireland they're moving to pasture new
When you no longer have a seat at the table let me know. Your government is selling you down the Thames.
WHAT A MANIPULATING TITLE! SHAME ON YOU, SUE REID! Romania's population is about 19 million people, and Bulgaria's population hardly reaches 8 million people! Where did you study journalism? And, above all, have you ever studied geography at all? How did you pass your exams with such poor knowledge?
who is going to put a stop to this!!!!!!!!!!
This is not hard to sort out. NO ONE, and let it be NO ONE is allowed any benefit at all health, housing, unemployment, child, until they have worked here for 3 or 4 or 5 years and contributed to our NATIONAL HEALTH, NATIONAL UNEMPLOYMENT NATIONAL CHILD, NATIONAL HOUSING, see the connection no where do I see INTERNATIONAL in front of any benefit. This would stop us, or help, being a country of givers (mugs) for the rest of Europe. No wonder Obama and all the European countries want us to stay in, where would they send all these, here words fail me, not productive members of the population of that I am sure, if we did not have them.
A LIBLABCON VOTE IS A WASTED VOTE . VOTE UKIP OR ANY OTHER PARTY OR INDEPENDANT. REVOLT AT THE POLLS .KICK THE TRAITORS OUT.
I despise the EU, I despise this country and every PM and politician who has been involved in welcoming every Tom, Dick and Harry from all over the globe without any consideration for healthcare, housing, education, the economy, policing, prisons, culture clashes, religious clashes and the general opinion of the British people. This country is nothing more than an over-crowded free-for-all and it's completely ruined; there's no turning back now. You only have to walk down one street in a town-centre and you'll hear about 50 languages being spoken. Think back to all those wars that have been fought for this country, those soldiers will be turning in their graves.
VOTE UKIP, get OUT of Europe
Oh great thats all we need!!... We hardly hear an english speaking voice in town as it is, i feel like im holiday abroad .. Only difference is i know my way around, .... This needs to stop NOW!!!
If Camoron is making some 20,000 of our Armed Forces REDUNDANT, there are few jobs for them, never mind housing , schools etc., put them on the borders and stop this madness of EU dilution
Unsustainable!
Surely even Cameron can see this is going to ruin us completely , i know he's not the brightest prime minister we ever had but i can't believe when he is trying his damnedest to cut the welfare bill he is going to stand by and do nothing ? It is quite obvious that none of these people will ever find work and support themselves , what with the gay marriage bill and everything else this latest fiasco must surely mean the tories will know full well they haven't got a hope in hell of winning a general election .
....anyway, aren't the health and safety 'police' concerned about all this..you know, OUR 'health' and 'safety'.
They may be on their way but as soon as I can I am out of here. My once beautiful country is finished and the scum that did it will go unpunished.
I am so glad I am older and not young. I fear for the future of this country. We can only home so many - we are not a huge country. Stay in your own country and try to make improvements there.
Little do they realize it will be just as bad here. I feel sorry for them.
I own a very very large property in England. I shall fire my staff and replace them with these new types.
Oh my Goodness!!! Words can not express my fury, and the sick feeling in my stomach, that this may well happen. We already have enough low life, criminal, disease ridden, unskilled, anti-British immigrants!!! We simply cant handle anymore!
But there will be a day when your country is full up, when you cannot afford to give benefits to any more people from Europe and the rest of the world, too. They hope to get there before that moment happens. What hope have we when this is the reason they come here and the GUTLESS GOVERNMENT are only interested in their GRAVY TRAIN.
I'm all for people coming here if they can contribute to society. If people are here just to scrounge benefits, they shouldn't be allowed. Simple as that. No need to even mention what race you are or where you're from.
Makes you proud to br British that so many people want to live in our great country
You can all clear off!
And another thing....it may be the season for HO.. HO.. HO.. in Bugarian that does NOT translate into WAGONS HO! Nuff said.
More for taxpayers to fork out for , bloody joke !!'
And Cameron's top priority? Gay marriage!!! Says it all really. Glad I'm out, but I worry for my grand children!!
To all the left wing lay-abouts who don't have a single economic or business brain cell, hand in yr passports & get out if u hate Britain so much.
Disgusting, it is no longer the british peoples country, it belong to every alien from every poor country, I am soooooo glad my husband made me leave when he did, the royals better waqtcfh out, they will be getting dethroned next
The sad thing looking at these pictures it could easily be the UK in a few years time. The UK is importing poverty.
You are about to loose your country and everything it stood for all under the name of Human Rights...seems someone forgot the human rights of those who actually real UK citizens. I pray some common sense and real leaders who have care for survival of your way of life are put in power!
I hope someone makes a stand about this on Question Time.
We've got at least a few million to deport as it is. Definitely don't want any more ruining our country.
Open up your hearts and wallets
Do any of the people who ¿getting out¿ of England as you say have an ounce of patrioticness in your body? I don't currently live in the U.K but i will return and i still care about what is happening to our country and the future of it. Would you turn your back on your family and kick them as your left? Most Brits are not racist people but we know we have to draw a line and control the situation that is currently crippling us as a nation. Out of the EU i say!
If Romania, Bulgaria are in the EU and sit on the ECHR, why is it that they have to come to the UK to claim their "human rights"? Why are their home nations allowed to deny them benefits but the UK is forced to provide? This is madness.
and the rest, just an underestimate of the 100 million due to come
What the h**l is going on. There has to be something that can be done to stop this mindless influx of welfare claimants and scroungers. A referendum will not close the door in time. Action is needed NOW!
we should be using the foreign aid budgets to stop immigration not encourage it. this is just getting silly.
The policies of UKIP is the only way to stop this madness.
The last Government agreed to this but what is Cameron going to do about it ? the answer there came none! Somebody ought to remind Cameron that he is supposed to be looking after the interests of THIS Country ! The whole situation of this Country needs a lot of hard work to restore it but what does Cameron do ? he legislates on Gay Marriage . Sooooo important ! I only hope that UKIP gets enough votes so that it takes the place of the Cleggies. It will have mine.
Scrooge is alive and well and working at the Daily Mail.
I left because the crooked poloticians from all parties sold us down the river. If you are against their policies & voice this you are labeled a racist, you are in a no win situatiion. If you want to save your country i suggest you vote for UKIP; Cameron, Clegg, Milliband etc are nothing but chocolate fireguards, you need a strong leader & these men have neither the courage, passion or desire to improve their country.
Looks like the UK does not want to grow calluses on her heart, bleed to death then!!!
If you have a brain, if you have a skill, if you have the means then get out of Britain; it is sleepwalking to disaster.
The Beginning of the end
I have no problem with this, after all we also have the right to travel to Bulgaria. I doubt many will stay when they realise that conditions are no better here thanks to 33 years of right-wing incompetence.
This is Blair and Brown's plan all along not Cameron's. wake up people! You voted for Blair. This is what happens when u vote labour!!
We dont need even more scum moving to this country. Put a stop to it now. - Bill, Enfield, 23/12/2012 23:46 Please Bill tell me how you know each any every one of these people are scum. This country was made great by people in search of a better life by people coming from all over the world. Obscene how people disciminate against others just for being born and wanting a better life for their loves ones.
Oh dear Lord, they are really bad. We have to stop this NOW!
Protest!!!!!!!!!
I honestly don't mind at all , come one come all but I would certainly appreciate a tax rebate from the Treasury , taxes paid in support of our indigenous deserving population and services , I did not set out to support hapless claimants from anywhere and everywhere in the world. . So on that basis , refund my money and I will go thereby leaving more space for this gov't , like their predecessor , to fill , with whomsoever they like . Hang it , I'll just go , yet I feel so dreadfully sorry for those who might be stuck here through no fault of their own . This country has no name , it is merely an overrun holding pen of a camp site protected by human rights , whilst we , have none .We have lost all sovereignty and identity .I have nothing against eastern Europeans per se , but this is now too damned much .
The Government must stop it before it starts.
"I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now?" - Sassygirl , England, United Kingdom_______________Don't be silly, cuts just apply to the sick, disabled and unemployed. Benefit fraudsters and foreigners are fine. Oh and the expenses claiming elite, plenty of money for those as well.
They can hardly wait to get here, and when they do, millions more hard working tax payers will be clambering to get out. There's no end in sight for this madness. As more and more benefits seekers come in and the tax payers leave, is only a recipe for disaster.
OMG, I do not even live in your country but love to visit England! It's pretty much the same here in the Netherlands. I see so many immigrants every where hanging in the streets. I hate the EU with a passion. This not going to end up good. The near future has began to scare me. Globalisation will kill us all eventually!!
We need a referendum..NOW!!!
The Mayans weren't too far out then, at least as far as the UK is concerned.
The UK is marching blindly into total social disintegration & no one is doing anything at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,very sad,
We pay taxes, National Insurance etc and these people who have never contributed a penny can come over and claim benefits and get housed. It's about time our politicians grew a pair and told the EU that enough is enough.
This will be the final nail in the coffin, but you can guarantee the left will continue to trot out their "benefits of immigration" tripe & anyone that disagrees will be racist.
Do not understand.
Something needs to be done as the goverment will welcome them with open arms. Giving them everything. Then taxing us for it.
why do we have to take everyone's rubbish?...we haven't got any more room....and the benefits are for our people aren't they.?..our needy,not everyone else's needy...makes me so angry we are so stupid....
Sorry, we're full!
Where will they live??? Are those in government stupid?!
Brit taxpayers, you better start getting some overtime in. The money for this lot has to come from YOU. Taxes will have to go up considerably and your standard of living will drop, no matter what Cameron and Clegge say.
And where will the millions of then supplanted, job- and housing-deprived Britons move to?
Goodbye England...I loved you once.
At some point someone has to say enough there will be no one left in Eastern Europe and the UK will be drowning trying to support the weight of them all!! My husband and I live in Canada which is a very multicultural country but unlike the UK it has e space for immigrants but the reason they don't all flood into Canada is because the immigration laws here are a lot stricter and you have to meet certain requirements you cannot just turn up and get in!
Labour signed us up to this agreement that will allow these people in. When the state no longer provides benefits of any sort and the NHS has been privatised they will blame the Tories but the truth is that they will have destroyed it all by ruining the country's finances.
I used to think the New World Order was a conspiracy theory - not anymore as all Western nations are being inundated with poorer countries immigrants. Our governments wring their collective hands and do nothing but let in more welfare moochers and tell us to feel thankful for the "diversity". Look at the NHS - do you think it'll be better or improve next year after millions of new patients arrive? How about your schools? The middle class is fast disappearing to be replaced by a "diverse" poor class - with the rich (many of whom are pushing the NWO) sitting pretty in their mansions and gated houses.
Enough! Out of the EU. NOW! Sick of seeing beggars and pickpockets everywhere.
This angers me very much, disgraceful.
"left the seedy slum of Fakulteta, on the outskirts of the Bulgarian capital Sofia, to settle in Luton, Beds" Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Still he should feel right at home in Luton
Cameron said half of the countryside in England will be built on by 2020. There's gonna be a revolution very soon.
Dear Mr Cameron Where will the money come from to pay for the extra houses, hospitals, schools, prisons etc??????????????????????? Hopefully (but almost certainly) not from all of the indigenous hardworking, minimum wage, taxpayers who cannot afford dental care, proper heating or any kind of mortgage and who struggle to simply pay the rent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough is enough. Time to leave the EU and stop this new wave of benefit scroungers. Isn't the 'home grown', Jeremy Kyle society destroying this country already without anyone else coming into the UK adding to it? Merry bloody Christmas!
I really sympathise for people in certain countries as they want a better life but... the UK really is full. England is already over crowded and too many people just take advantage of the benefits now. Poor old UK.. I feel for the people there, I recently visited and certain places you go to, you don't hear a word of English. The pretty English charm there once was is being lost in places. Do something about your immigration laws before it gets out of control. :(
Keep these people out; there's far too many scroungers like them here already. How many more can this island take?! They are not entitled to our hard-earned taxes. KEEP THEM OUT.
No wonder Cameron is attacking benefit claimants
How many English will work for £600 per month in a nursing home?None.But the immigrants will.And they will fill the coffers of the shareholders.What is the problem?
on your marks, get set, ready.........
The millions who come will end up in England not Wales or Scotland so why say Britain? The European Union is a walking disaster area. - King Al, Gloucester, 23/12/2012 23:40 - - - - - - - - - - - You're so wrong, Glasgow's full of them.
I understand your concern Britain. We have the same problem here in NZ, our govt is too free with handing out taxpayers money to newcomers into the country. They get so many more benefits than our own people made redundant and unable to find more work, etc. We're sick of it and considering we're a country of only 4 million people with ONLY 1 million of them working, how the heck are we supposed to keep supporting refugees? Oh yes, borrow, borrow, borrow! The EU was the biggest mistake but the real backbone of the country, the people, had no say. Where is the world headed?
David, you got to do something and, quickly, we are in serious trouble.
Wow! - they look like they'll be a great asset *insert sarcasm and anger*
The fat cats' instructions to their Tory puppets are quite clear. If we can't export a particular job to cheap workers overseas then we want a cheap overseas worker allowed in to do it here. The obvious public anger about mass immigration counts for nothing against the promise of lucrative company directorships for all these "business friendly" Conservative MPs.
Take a thousand years building up England into the greatest Country in History and then allow Politicians to destroy it all inside half a century. Painful to watch isn't it.
Tell me about it. A middle-aged acquaintance of mine intend to marry a Bulgarian man only because he wants to remain in the UK. A big mistake but I won't interfere,,, it's not my business.
The wheels were set in motion by previous labor governments ... Time to take these wheels off! Also consider why they want to come to UK above other EU countries? Figure that out and take that away!? With the benefits for all firmly in place, Britain can I'll afford more people on benefits. Money don't grow on trees anywhere, even Brussels ...
Shut the ruddy gates NOW!!!
I bet they've got their flights booked already. I hope Dave has budgeted for a BIG increase in welfare payments post 2014.
If ever there was a Daily Mail article where the comment 'vote UKIP' was appropriate, this is it. The speed at which we're going down the pan will be greatly accelerated once the door is fully opened to the Eastern Europeans.
Bet they can't wait !! Honestly this is crazy we simply cannot afford to do this Sick of paying my taxes for people like this
No no no. Stop this it isn't right. We will bloody NOT "look after them". They're not our responsibility. They mustn't come here.
so 2 million out of work but cameron and his jokers allow more in to drain? I seriously don't get it.
Perhaps its time to finally man the barricades and kick this government in the teeth.
Why are we importing social economic problems from Europe when we can not house, employ are own people?
REFERENDUM NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WANT OUT - UKIP WILL HAVE MY VOTE AND MANY OTHERS AGREE..................
I don't care if they come here or not, but why should they be entitled to benefits? They have paid no tax! And why should they be entitled to free healthcare? They have paid no national insurance! Oh that's right because the government happily helps themselves to my hard earned wages for them. No wonder half the people of this country feel they don't need to work either.
"so marginalised and mistrusted in their own lands." Yeah, sure. And with reason but that's not PC to say that. Just ask the Dutch how they ran into a brick wall and just gave up trying to help these people. But lets be honest; you LibLabCon voters deserve what you get when this wave rolls over you. Welcome to the EU. Please join the Euro to make the catastrophe compleet.
so much for getting the benefit bill down in Britain,it will soar sky high,and where will they house them? it most certainly will not be anywhere near politicians place of abode,DUSTBIN BRITAIN.
¿All we want is a normal life like the British people. I would like to go because I support Manchester United. There we would get our housing paid and child benefits. Here, we are given £30 a month by the state for our two youngest boys. It is not enough.¿............ And soon Britain will become bankrupt by the mass immigration, the UK isnt' the answer, we are full already, time to look elsewhere.......
Aren't you folks crowded enough? Who is allowing ever more jostling throngs of people into your sardine packed country?
Instead of complaining about things why don't you all protest. We do here in the US , sometimes we get laws changed, sometimes we lose. You can't just sit back and do nothing if it is so bad.
I thought the benefits are being cut in this country because we can't afford them anymore. What about the bed-room tax next year? What about the reductions in the amounts the Government are giving to councils? How can we afford more people here on benefits if we can't afford the benefits people are getting now?
Enough is enough, this is Britain for gods sake! I've had it with us being overrun by foreigners
I hate this country with a passion, what once was Great Britain, is just Britain, there's nothing Great about it! Get Cameron and his joker out and kick all immigrants out like Qatada, he's made us look like a joke single handedly, is this good enough? NO!!!
Just amazing that this country gives 53m per day , to belong to a club that is destroying it in every possible way The only fight back are weak cries of vote UKIP , how pathetic you have all become . By the time you get your long awaited vote , what little is left will have gone . Each and everyone of you will be too blame !!!!
Camoron is determined to ruin this once great country. I'm starting to think these morons running the government have had their brains removed and are being controlled by remote control by drug crazed aliens from the planet zog for their version of a tv reality show
I am so glad I got out of the UK it gets worse by the minute, will the last one to leave please turn out the light
EUSSR.
on your marks,get set, ready........
SHUT THE DOOR.
now we know why Dave don't want a vote yet he has not got all his supporters moved in yet
i feel really sorry for all these people i know we are so much luckier - and i am thankful for that but really??? how many more people are we gonna allow to come here and ADD to the debt.. our country is NEVER gonna get back to their former glory if these people keep coming in here and taking all our money.. they are outright saying they are coming here to claim benefits - benefits that are paid for by HARDWORKING PEOPLE.. its just wrong... im sorry i know they need help but so do we... x
Can't wait for this.
...won't affect me, I got out while the going was good!
I have confidence that when UKIP takes control and gets us out of the EU, these Europeans will have to return home..... we know they don't particularly like us, just our cash!
Welcome to the UK........where everyone sits back and pays for you to live for free.
Great!! More tenants for us landlords :~D
If they come, the Gov facing big massive problems:1. Housing.2.NHS3.Jobs4. Benefits.5.Crime. Look how many people work in the UK? this will make people who works and pay tax fed up. I am sorry I am not anti EU,(They are welcome if they have money to support themselves, pay NHS, pay their rent, understand English in written, speak, listening communication), but how nice they are come here and get everything, meanwhile people who works are suffers to pay all the bills, tax etc. Most of them can't speak English.
Many of these immigrants have nothing to offer us. The strong countries of Europe mainly Germany and Great Britain need a strong right wing government quick to take decisive action to end this immigration menace!
A vote for Labour, liberal, or conservative will be a vote for the gypsies of Bulgaria
God help us. David Cameron.....what are you going to do?
Perhaps I am thick or something, but why is it that this country has to give benefits to all and sundry, when places like Spain who are also in the EU don't? This country can't afford to take everyone in and certainly not the likes of this lot in the article. There must be something we can do to stop the influx of this scum. Britain should be for the British, who have worked and paid into the benefits system for years! My vote next time is going to UKIP - at least they will try to keep this lot out!
Why can't this man send his money home to start a farm growing food and get people to supply the families so others can then start working......... All it takes is for one to stand up a be counted........ Others will follow. Britain can't take much more of this!
Vote UKIP.
Freedom of Movement rule....looks like you have one more year left. You're doomed
Two men started this cascade of humanity heading for our shores. Messers blair and brown . After having dealings with the roma in France all I can say is God help us we are going to need it
Great Britian is far too small for any more Immigrants and our green are so shrinking, their aims is only our sparkling benefits so isn't it about time we restricts our borders and knock off the Euro's interferences and pull out because they don't give benefits to us british if we goes elsewhere in Euro, but they'd have the ruddy cheek to order us to gives our money to the foreigners when they don't themselves. Looks as if they're pushing us into ruins deliberately so we're hard done by with our stupid knees knocking government who is squeamish to pulls out of there and the fuse are getting very short for the real British people.
This scares me.....it just gets worse:'(
Crime will go up ten fold... (vote ukip)
One of the criteria to join the EU should be that all nations have the same benefit system. As we are the idiots paying way above anyone else, maybe that's one EU directive we should put forward. That way the country wanting to join the EU will have to pay the same state handouts we do meaning their population can stay put. The reality will be that country will NEVER want to join the EU as overnight they will have to adopt our benefit legislation.
Of course it's a shame that they have to endure such hardship. But Britain can only take so much, and the time has come to say sorry chaps but we're full. Our social infrastructure just cannot withstand the additional pressure of a mass influx of people. We need to get out the EU.
Is this real? Thank god we'll never be part of the EU. You should hear the carry on here over a few thousand refugees arriving by boat each year even though they now have to be processed off shore. I can understand why these people want to come to your country but I can't understand how you can possibly sustain it. Under the EU rules doesn't your government get to say 'enough'. Can't imagine people are falling over each other to go to Romania or Bulgaria so what happens when you're full?
Britain can't afford the benefits bill as it is, we're running out of houses, resources, utilities and patience - we simply can't help everyone!
Get out of the EU NOW, before it really is too late! If this influx of thieves and parasites is allowed to happen, it will be the end of the UK for decent, honest people.
This country is a DISGRACE
It would be crazy to just let these people in. There MUST be some control.
Bobby George states that these Romanians want to come to Britain before it is full up.I have news for you Mr George they are 10 years too late.As for self employment I see that some of your people have alternatives to selling the big issue such as stripping the lead off church roofs and ripping out copper cable from our railway systems.Vote UKIP and put an end to this EU insanity.
Get us out of the EU Cameron
Insanity.
Are these the skilled workers that Cable's missus was on about?
Great! Fantastic news! Just what I wanted to read on this fine Monday morning. This fills me with so much hope when I apply for a school place for my child.......and get turned down........you figure out the rest...........
Where are they going to live??? We have homeless people in this country already! My son and i have been in a one bed temporary accommadation for 19 months!! Schools and Hospitals stretched!! where is this going to end??
Well...what can I say. Britain is being integrated into the EU superstate regardless. We need to reclaim our sovereignty from the EU and make Britain great again.
As a former soldier, a father of two young girls, I now feel compelled to fight for my kids future, in any form that it may take to safeguard there future. The traitors running our country, the pro EU idiots, should hang their collective heads in shame. My tolerance has snapped.
This influx, if the useless government allows it will be the final nail in the coffin of UK Plc. Wait for Theresa May to start her hand wringing saying " We are powerless to stop it ". Britain, a sovereign nation ? Barroso and Van Rumpy Pumpy say jump and our stalwart politico's ask How High. We are witnessing the final death throes of a once great nation. RIP. Britain
It is so wrong that they have an automatic right to benefits and healhcare, when we have pensioners on reduced income due to insufficient credits during their working lives - particularly women. Why can't we stop them flooding our country and handle immigration like Australia and the USA do.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world !!!
Heaven help us all.
If Camoron lets in many more, I predict there will be problems that will make the recent riots look like a tea party.
EU REFERENDUM >>> NOW <<< Get us OUT of Europe before this disaster gets worse and worse and the UK will pay the price because we have a socialist benefits system, rightfully set up to benefit UK nationals, wrongfully abused by immigrants from many countries inside and outside the EU. It will be Turkey and Russia and the Former Soviet Union countries next ..... at that point there will be no British people prepared to withstand living in such degraded conditions except the vulnerable, elderly, disabled, and very young. That would be abuse of citizens by the Government (who also would no doubt flee the country).
Close the door now taxpayers or you will be paying for these unwanted people.GET OUT OF EU NOW!!!
and yet our elderly are struggling to survive on what little they have as pensions, our NHS is buckling under the strain, housing is at a premium but hey we will just support all of the other countries but bugger our own. there's nowhere to put these people so close the borders! what a joke.
Coming to a house near to you, I've seen the results of the "self employed" from that area who already have the right to be here and believe me, it ain't pretty.
the incompetent Cameron will do nothing to prevent this predictable disaster
Theres no other option but to leave this country
Total ban on immigrants. To hell with the EU. This country cannot support these people. They will drag us down to the level of the countries they come from
So many people in the UK don't know how good they have it. Wow.
Seriously?
EU hates Britain, doesn't it.
I know this article is alarmist but enough is enough. Now is the time to vote on whether we stay or leave the EU. Once and for all let us decide as to which direction we take. If the poliiticians dont allow this basic right then beware the normally passive people of this country may take the initiative !!!
Doesn't surprise me with this country anymore! However I will be voting UKIP we need to sort this place out and get out of the EU quick before they ruin Britain forever.
The Labour left wing luvvies must be wetting themselves in anticipation.
If this insanity goes ahead it will dwarf the New Labour betrayal.The British people have to have an in or out vote on the EU before this disaster takes place.Our National Health Service and benefit sytems are in a critical state now and if we open our borders now to millions of claimants this will really be the end of Britain .Once in this country these people will never leave.
I find this article incorrect and highly insulting to Bulgarians. Nobody wants your country. Get over yourselves!
In most countries, they allow immigration only if the immigrants will bring something beneficial to the economy or job market. Here, it's the other way. Anyone who wants a better life, queue up. It's on us (apparently.)
I have no problem with people coming over who will contribute to the system but benefit scroungers stay out, we already have enough of those.
The UK will get all the scroungers while the rest of Europe gets the skilled and hard working.
Roll up, roll up, come to Britain, the Labour Party and the Left wing will welcome you with open arms. If you cant find a job and have no skills there are plenty of state benefits you can obtain and you will be given every assistance, left wingers are proud of this fact. No other country does this but they are smarter than what we are. In the meantime Cameron will be blamed for rising unemployment while Britain goes down the plughole
From the DM to us all - Happy Scaremongering - t'is the season to be jolly, giving, sharing and caring.
There is a simple answer , we refuse to further open our doors and keep controls in place . If the EU dont like it they can lump it.
Bulgarians are not moving to England. Relax! Living in BG is much better/cheaper than England. Ask the English expats living in Bulgaria if you don't believe me ...
Oh god ! No! Enough is enough..!! No more foreigners please!!
Hey Britain, welcome your new citizens and roll out the red carpet. After all you asked and agreed for this. Thank God we, in Australia, are selective and we decide who come to our country.
It makes me so angry that everyone flocks here to bleed us dry and still the government lets them come.... so much for looking after us mr cameron...thanks a lot you stabbed us all in the back when you became prime minister....its about time we left the EU
Well, nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, how about voting UKIP?
were full so bog off..
Wake up the once "Great Britain" your government is selling you up the swanny river !!!
I'm sorry their lives in their own country is awful but we can't take anymore, this country is already at breaking point.
Already hundreds near me, such a shame transitional controls were not extended. What was Cameron thinking?
This can not be aloud to happen.
Remember the English people? A soon to be minority in their own towns and citites. Forgotten and not heard. God help us from the traitorous politicans who are destroying this once proud nation. Just what have we done to deserve this? Being despised by the political elite.
Dont bother coming, we're full.
Wrong!!
Theres going to be civil disorder soon and those over educated idiots that we call a government know it.
Our country can not and should not support these immigrants. And benefits should go first and foremost to those who have paid in to the system, and are not in work through no fault of their own (redundancy and ill health / disability). They are cutting benefits for those who need it most, and then we are expected to support immigrants who have no intention of working? Time we had strict immigration rules like Australia!
Bulgaria is pictured like a 3rd world country lol. Do you have any idea how many English moved there, not to mention the holidays in Bansko and Sunny Beach. Stop the propaganda! Bulgarians are not moving to England. England is colonizing Bulgaria. Get your facts straight!
If it does they'll all be going home come the next election when ukip clear the decks
Every word these people say is a reason to get out of the EU and control our borders
I feel sorry for them, but please go somewhere else. There is too much immigration in my part of London. It is not controlled, too many illegals and it's just creating more crime.
Cameron wake up and fast!!! you can't keep taxing to death those that work and continue to pay benefits to our own let alone any country who wants to dump their people onto us. Close the borders,
CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW! We are the joke of the EU! People dont come here for safety etc, they come here because they know they will get it all given to them!
so which party leader is going to be brave enough to say that's it - no more.
A proper nanny state would welcome them with open arms......after all, someone invited them.
Absolute disgrace to let anyone claim a benefit of any kind if they have no intention of working or can't speak a word of english. That loop hole about been self employed by selling one copy of the big issue per week is ridiculous! Someone please sort this mess your making the british want to leave!
Is the government AND Whitehall really that stupid?
I a seriously scared right now!!!! The England I know has gone to the dogs!!
When I tried to get on the Council Housing list I was told it could be years but a foreign person who hasn't even been to the country yet and arrives 6 months later would end up getting a house before me so I had to rely on family and friends until I got myself sorted out. This isn't Great Britain anymore this is the Great British handout to all who don't want to work and get an easy life. Please close the gates now and get out of the EU. I feel sorry for these people but I'm sorry it's not our problem, we are a tiny island with a population of over 60M and on the increase, I'm going to start begging now and that is to BEG to leave the EU please I'm begging you Cameron.
I'm sorry to say but there is no room for hangers on. We need drs nurses highly trained. We don't need any more spongers in the uk there's enough poverty here to solve of sovereign born British people!!
Nothng but parasites.
GRRRRRRRRR WHY IS THIS COUNTRY SUCH A WALKTHROUGH. Im ashamed to be British sometimes.
Dishonest journalism, if you can call it that; trying to conflate all Eastern Europeans with Gypsies and all marginalised people as pickpockets. Yes, we have an immigration problem but inflammatory articles like this only whip up hatred towards innocent, hard working people who have made the UK their home.
Close the borders now, change the law if necessary or we wil end up like the US with imigrants overunning the country, crime will go through the roof and then the Goverment will realise that it has to issue ID cards like the green card, unfortunately it will be too late, far too late, the end!
we need to get out of EU pronto!
EU 'freedom of movement' rules???? NO NO NO! 29 million people Russins and Bulgarians. What about the English people. Let these immigrants move throughout Europe if they want. I am sure France will welcome them ... not. Who is running England, Julia Gillard??? She's the only one screwing up countries that I know of. This will pull England down into the biggest financial bog ever. If these people cannot support themselves financially then they cannot live in the UK and they cannot get benefits.
More crime, more begging and more money coming out of the state. Can't wait. Happy New year everyone!
This sounds rather worrying.
Vote Ukip
How do they find the money for a passport and a plane ticket for a whole family if they are so desperate and penniless ?? Well we don't want them here ... send them to Greece.
I have no printable comments.
We need to get out of Europe now
Time the UK got out of Europe before its to late ..Oh sorry it is to late now what is the benefit bill a week?
happy new year the UK
The end is nigh!
Sick of the Romanians hanging outside of Churches and Mosques in my area begging. We don't pay tax so people can claim benefits without ever having contributed to the economy. My parents were immigrants but I don't expect to get free handouts by just sitting on my behind. Its not racist to say, please close the doors to anyone not wanting to work for a living. No benefits for immigrants.
Just what we need....if the Tories don't do anything about this I'll be voting UKIP in the future.
This has got to be stopped. ,this country cannot support these people , our ountry has already been endangered by the actions of the Blair government ..is there no one who will say that's enough
God help the UK!
We need to get a referendum before this deadline and close our borders or there will be no hope for this country. I really do miss Great Britain.
The solution should be very simple; benefit laws need to change. All over Europe. This would deter so many Eastern Europeans from leaving their own countries. My own country is suffering too. Unemployment is high enough as it is without them coming in and taking jobs. Employers know they can get away with paying them less. Everyone deserves a chance for a better life but enough is enough.
Other countries have negotiated limited access rights, so why didn't the UK? There has been clearly documented evidence that these people increase the crime hence as a matter or national security (under our own control for now) we can refuse entry. In Australia we health care if you are from a treaty gov, but your country of origin pays. Between Aus and UK, that is a fairly equal arrangement. Surely, the EU should have a similar agreement in place?
read the first paragraph i couldnt read anymore.....the uk is doomed.....the british tax payers are being taken for the mugs of the world.....OPEN YOUR EYES MR CAMERON BEFORE ITS TO LATE
if the people of britain stand by and let this useless government allow this to happen,then you want your heads red
This will be the final nail in Britain's coffin. The death of a nation - by suicide.
Good - we need more hardworking immigrants the British chavs are so lazy
So unless the UK intends to be the benefits capital of Europe you have one year to change the laws. I don't get it. Germany requires that you show you have a job, understand the basics of the language and have money to support yourself. Turkey requires you show you have money in the bank to live 6 months and you definitely won't be getting benefits ever. So how is it that one can walk into the UK and immediately sign up for benefits. Even coming to the US someone has to sign that they will provide for you financially as you are not allowed to claim any government benefits for 2--3 years. Well, of course Illegal aliens are exempt from this. Illegal aliens get immediate welfare and healthcare.
This is really really scary. If the worst case scenario turns out to come true this country is going down the pan. Some people will say this is scaremongering but just remember what happened when Poland joined the EU. They said about 10,000 people would come. Total now well over half a million. BTW, i'm married to a woman born in Poland.
How about UK leaves the EU, sets new rules whereby any economic migrant receives zero benefits for 5 years? Then these people can go to Brussels or Strasbourg. Does anyone seriously still believe that the powers that be are not deliberately bankrupting Europe and USA?
29 million new immigrants, good luck choking on that tidal wave.
In one year's time cancel all police leave! Maybe the Prime Minister ill get a new nick name : Crimewave Dave!
CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW!!!
This is so wrong and completely unfair if it is true.
This country is daft as a brush for having an open door policy on EU immigration. Sure there are economic benefits, but there is no policy on population...the resources cannot cope indefinitely. Would you leave your property front door open and allow anyone from the neighbourhood to move in? No, you would want to have control over your front door so that you do not become swamped with undesireables. People should have been let in on a selective points basis like in Australia. We are losing control of the UK's front door - let alone the back door, and the more it goes on, the more I think about jumping ship.
Unless the Government passes measures to prevent immigration on this level then both the welfare state and the NHS will either topple or be eroded to the point of uselessness. So now is the time for Theresa May to earn her crust and find a way of discouraging this and further, it is time that any UK Government put the interests of the UK born electorate first!
Come on in, our doors are always open, no checks, no references, just come in and take all our money, all are welcome. The Mafia gangs are already here, so you may as well join them. No wonder everyone is fed up of the EU and the remote tribe in Planet Westminster!
Well that is the final nail in coffin for Britain perhaps be better if World had ended on 21st December
Just when you think it cannot get any worse...........................................
The Bulgarians and Rumanians work - the Brits, never. Bring 'em all in, I say
Nothing to worry about everyone in the UK will have to right to live and work in Romanian! They are probably worried half a million Brits will go to live there!
Do we not have enough problems with our own criminals and millions of families and pensioners living in poverty. Why are we the only country in the EEC who provides free benefits for those who have never earned them and should not be entitled to them. Although I disagree with some policies we need a ruling government such as BNP for a couple of terms to put an end to the destruction of the UK. The country is reaching a point of no return (or is it already there?)
I am so tired of this. If you are going to reveal a story get it right! The UK is not a signatory of the Schengen Agreement and therefore we do fall into the cross-border agreement that the rest of Europe has agreed to. We do not have to let these people into our country. SO WHY IS THE STORY HERE?????
E.U and the benifits of being a member and politicians who won't have to live amongst them when they arrive
The sooner the uk severs all ties with europe the better
I've just had a thought... maybe Britain isn't flooded after all, it's just sinking under the weight of all the people squashed onto it.
Great
Oh that great news at Christmas isn't it ?
Please David Cameron, act to stop this now.
No more.
When is the UK going to grow a backbone and refuse entry to these people, and to the one's they do, refuse right's to benefits of any kind? Your country is more than a soft touch, and getting worse.
Yeh come to Britain,we might have to build houses on Dartmoor,Lake District and possibly a few other National Parks but so what, Tony and his cronies said you are welcome and there is plenty of money here to support you all.Ye
Can you just imagine our council estates looking like the one in the top picture ?
When will this government sort this crap out, I'm fed up of working 60 hours a week to pay for someone else to have a cosy life with roof over their head and everything paid for! Time to vote UKIP and get us out the EU before it too late, oh wait a minute it already is! Britain is a JOKE!
Just shocking.
If the UK doesn't close its doors, and soon, this is what it will end up like. I lived in the UK for six years - mid nineties - and loved it. Was never unemployed, paid my taxes, NHS and abided by all the laws. I have friends I still keep in contact with. Watching the societal changes over the years has been horrendous. PLEASE CLOSE YOUR DOORS!
Already full pal.
If you read this article, the entire "thrust" of the topic from their perspective is all about what these people can TAKE from the UK state whilst giving nothing back by way of return; even gratitude is not a requirement. Don't we have enough unskilled, illiterate and innumerate people of our own without importing more onto the welfare state bill? I though membership of the EU required all countries to demonstrate certain standards towards their own citizens BEFORE membership was granted? As such, why are we financially responsible for clearing up the failures of these mickey mouse EU member states? GIVE US OUR EU REFERENDUM - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A whole new crime culture to share with us. How lucky we are.
scary!
when are we going to just say no. enough. no more. we are not able to get jobs. let alone them.
We should all move over there in 2 years time? that would give everyone a big surprise? Let's send our chavs to Brussels!!!!!!!
I feel positively sick after reading this. How can we as taxpayers be so powerless against these ridiculous EU rules that will eventually sink our country?
God help us
I believe another example of a biased "journalism" - the percentage of the Bulgarian immigrants to UK would probably be less than a single digit, but they are cited as the biggest threat to the Britains limits ! DM is barking at the wrong treee, I should say...
So these are the type of immigrants Vince Cable and his wife think Britain benefits from.Even the ones that work are on benefits ,the rest either come here solely to claim benefits or profit from crime.If we permit unlimited immigration from Romania and Bulgaria then we may as well give up all hope for this wretched country.As a famous politician ,far wiser than anyone in politics today said when the problem started in the sixties,'We must be mad!
Looking at how they have to live, who could possibly blame them, but there should be a no benefits rule for migrants, until they have contributed positively to the country for several years and have no criminal records. I pity these people, but I will not accept the continued destruction of our way of life to accommodate them.
NO,NO,NO,NO. This must not be allowed to happen. Our country is fit to burst and has changed beyond all recognition over the last 15 years. I cannot go into our local villiage without hearing a polish accent and even our shops have isles dedicated to polish food. Now I have absolutely nothing against people wanting to better themselves but not at the expense of the british tax payer. No benefits for the first 10 years. If they come here they must be able to support themselves and must not be allowed access to housing and benefits.
God help us - Camoron won't, nor will Labour - LibDems are just a joke, anyway!
God help us - Camoron won't, nor will Labour - LibDems are just a joke, anyway!
They're in for a shock . Most of the Poles you used to find on building sites have all gone home due to no work.
OK Cameron, you've got a year to get us out of this, or our towns will look like this one very soon. We have enough scroungers and scum already !
Why so many Eastern Europeans go to Britain? France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal are so much better countries - more beautiful, better food, better architecture, et cetra.
What is happening too our once great country. Why won't we leave the EU
While I sympathise with their want of a better life, Britain is full enough as it is...
No way. please don't let it happen.
It's time we ended the cardiac arrest concept of European integration.The richer better run countries have become poorer,and the poorer,often irresponsibly run countries, have become bankrupt.It will eventually end,but it may be when we are all destitute.
I'm leaving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really fear for this country. It has fast become a rat infested sewer, taking on the problems of the world. I really wish I could vacate the UK myself. Totally had enough.
This cannot be allowed to happen....the uk is a terrible place now, id leave if i can afford it....
Just the latest instalment of the never ending nightmare that is Britain's membership of the EU
Just check out the population of Bulgaria Its only about 7 million . The country is so awful many brits have relocated here.
Come on over it's great here, we're rolling in it ......loads a money! Go online book a house before you travel and save delays on arrival, you know it makes sense.
Britain. Has been betrayed by Blair, brown and Cameron . MPs are not looking after the common British man. The uk needs tight border controls and only people with the correct qualifications. A neighbour of mine did not employ a hgv driver as he thought his licence was fake, as weekend before he had no licence. Dept of Transport excepted the licence what a mockery. No wonder people are being killed every year by these foreigners. Only people who can demonstrate they can obey the rules can come, one strike and you are out. DNA and finger prints taken, tough about your human rights. We need to protect ourselves and this is the only common sense way of doing it.
After the government will say that the country's economy this bad because of Immigrant oversee, which in reality 98% of Immigrant in England are members of the EU.
I'm sorry but the thought of thousands and thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe settling in the UK scares me witless. This country is bursting at the seams, public services are stretched to breaking point, the 'welfare' state is on the point of collapse, the economic outlook is bleak, we're taxed until we bleed - God help all of us who already live here. The fact is that the UK is 'full'. We cannot allow any more immigration like this - no matter what country it originates from. For the first time ever I'm beginning to wish we weren't in the EU. I work like a trojan, pay my taxes, don't claim any benefits and am a law abiding citizen - when will someone stand up for my rights and listen to what I want? Who ever pulls up the drawbridge will be getting my votes from now on - and that's something I never thought I'd say.
Another great gift from the EU. Another load of scrounging foreigners coming to our Country.
We need to close our borders...so so so badly.
OUT of the EU.....NOW - this story chills me to the bone. We have no more room and no more money. We have a government taxing its own people until they bleed so fund these people coming in and not working. It beggars belief and Cameron MUST say NO to Europe over this - 'freedom of movement' laws be damned. What about MY family's right to a humane lifestyle? We can't have it because of the economic nightmare of this country due to people flooding in and demanding benefits we cannot afford to give them.
29 million isn't that the whole country?
Can any politician explain why these people have a wide open door to the UK whereas a highly qualified top-earning person from , for example, the US, is not allowed in? Why????
The problem is, you'll be "given a chance" when you move to the UK in the form of benefits, housing and healthcare...but you'll still rob the hand that feeds you.
Time for a clear up and clear out!
Great i have been thinking of leaving England for a long time but this as just made my mind up for me, not staying here working 18 plus hours a day running my business just to pay Tax to give to them.
Good luck to them and welcome.
No point in even telling us any of this because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. One day I assume even the politicians will decide we are full up, until then they will just keep on coming. I dread to think what this country will be like in 10 years time.
Don't blame them one bit, i'd do the same if I were in their position. It is up to our spineless government to stop them from doing so.
STOP the Benefits for all Europeans unless they have been legal residents working and living in UK for 5years or more. Cameron will sink into anonymity and UK will sink into a hellhole of unbelievable misery and mayhem. It is well on the way now.
I sympathize with them really but surely they realize the more of them that comes here they are in effect going to turn the UK into what they were running from, come on Theresa May, start stopping this before it comes to that.. if Brussels don't like it they can jog on.
Leave now while you can before the UK looks like Romania!
Could it possibly get any worse?
I have no problem with this. I have no objection to these people moving into our country. Quite why we should discriminate on birthplace is beyond me. After all does the Bible not say that we should love thy neighbours? No doubt the knuckle-dragging bigots will red arrow this down this message of compassion!
This must be stopped. If this carries on then there will be an uprising. It will get very messy. The good people of this nation can only take so much before they start fighting back. Ill be voting UKIP in future. Why? Because Labour opened the doors and ConDem havent closed the doors.
I'm sorry but i'm SICK of this!! This country will soon have more foreigners that it does those born and bred in the UK and that angers me.
Your comments:this has to be stopped.it is of course music to the ears of the cheap labour hunters .but will further damage or destroy the lives of many brits. maybe thats why the government want to introduce road tolls ,so they can pay these scroungers benefits . if this goes ahead there will be big trouble .people are already at boiling point this might just be what it takes to blow the lid off. A LIBLABCON VOTE IS A WASTED VOTE.KICK THEM OUT.
Romanians - pardon me , but that Name is beginning to terrify me .
why?
When is the Goverment going to put up a sign saying "Sorry we are full"?
Isn't it a bit disgusting Daily Mail, that by spreading hatred to those and other countries you capitalise on them at the same time? And don't tell me you only criticise immigration policies, majority of readers will hate the very people not policies, of which there's enough proof here, you know full well what you're doing. I hate Daily Mail, and being red arrowed here is a badge of honour to me.
And they will bring their low values and drag the country down even further. They won't come to Spain because you have to earn before you get handouts.
HOW MANY MORE GODDAMN CLUES DO PEOPLE NEED TO GET RID OF CAMERON? OUT OF THE EU FOREVER; UKIP!!!
We`re FULL - we don`t want them or need them. Let Brussels have them.
Well Teresa you have been warned. Do something about it now. We have no more room. No money to pay out in benefits and we can't build more houses - look at the state of our country today with the floods. How on earth do you plan to stop this lot? If you don't UKIP will in 2015 - you have been warned. God help our country.
if these were the conditions you lived in you'd want to leave too!
Ridiculous, if Cameron lets this happen then surly he wont get reelected. The EU will be the downfall for civilization in Europe, just look at what happened when the Romans let the barbarians in.
Britain has to seriously close its doors on asylum seekers and immigrants now enough.is enough.
Your comments: dear daily mail please can you explain how 29 million people are supposed to be coming when the combined population of Romania and Bulgaria is 26 million? Also correct me if I'm wrong but eu migrants cannot claim benefits until they have secured settled status which takes around 5 years!!
Can it get much worse?
this is disgusting ! UKIP is the only party which will not allow this
Feel sorry for them but we are a tiny island and high unemployment and in recession- where's the money going to come frlom to give them free housing and benefits? We have many of our own people jobless and homeless as it is.
Good, the more the merrier.
I'm scared! This country will fear criminality abundantly!
I have no problem with the actual immigrants, my problem is with immigration. Britain is FULL! Let's leave the EU and stop this now.
Another reason to vote UKIP
Time to ban immigrants from claiming all benefits, force them to be fluent in English, and make that rule apply to every family member. Let's see how many flock here then. This country has enough of its own problems without inheriting everyone elses.
OH DEAR !!!! and I am returning back to the UK next year after working abroad for 6 yrs ,what will I get ,I am a born in UK brit so probably nothing for all those years of paying tax and nhs for my pension.Disappointed with the EU rules ,Britain will regret this and probably riots will happen .
What are you doing guys? You need to be as strict as us.
Come on over guys Tony and Gordon have lots of room in THEIR houses for you.
Bobby George, with his sporting talent and determination to succeed, is proof that many migrants wish only to strive hard and provide for their families. >>>>>>>>>>>> It's no proof of any such thing, it's just plain old pseudo Tory generalisation, like ALL people claiming JSA are lazy low lifes or ALL Tory MPs have no human compassion.......... actually that last one probably is true !
Sorry, you aren't welcome here. If you want a better life and are able to support yourself, OK; if not please go elsewhere as you are not welcome in the UK.
Britain is full.
Only 29 million with the right to come to the UK. We have 60 million that have the right to settle in any EU country. Including theirs. And claim benefits because of reciprocal agreements.
and you moan at outside EU immigrants! that was just a trailor, now get ready to watch the full horror movie!!
Nobody wants them here, so just don't let them come. Definitely don't let them claim benefits. Just stave them off for a year, then we can vote UKIP in and end this madness.
There is nothing here for you either. Where will you live? How will you survive on nothing? What good will you be to Britain? What can you offer us?
OMG..please don't let them in Ireland and England don't want them we can't afford them. we can't afford to look after our own at the moment..
oh yea and were is the money coming from when theirs nothing for us grrrrrr
Why Britain? What's the appeal?
And in 2015 you'll be able to recreate all these cheerful snaps in London. I've decided to prepare for the influx with my new horse and cart which handles rather well through the destitute estates.
Im not saying i dont feel for these people ...but in the meantime my 2 teenage sons will be leaving college soon and im absolutely terrified that they wont be able to get a job...
This must be stopped from happening
I have truly never begged anyone in my life for anything but I beg the UK government to please stop this immigration before it gets any worse.
Oh, great...
The EU should be only more rich countries. If poor countries join then it is really unfair. They, obviously, would love to come here but why the hell would we want to live there? It's 3rd world.
I'm so proud I live in a country where people are willing to risk their lives, travelling thousands of miles to be here. While you moan about immigration, think, would you rather live in a deprivation and poverty or would you rather live in a country where social values are upheld and our human rights are promoted.
Not racist,but,we cannot have this.These people are coming here to exploit the benefit system,health service and education.Who was the idiot who has taken us to this point?This country will be TOTALLY destoyed by the third world nations.Can anyone see us rushing to Bulgaria or Romania to take advantage of anything there? I wouldn't even go on holiday there.
and we will just let them in like we always do. nothing new
I hope we can get out of the EU before any of that happens. It will be a nightmare if they all come here and we have to pay for them. It is not acceptable to just let them all in like that.
We dont need even more scum moving to this country. Put a stop to it now.
So millions of Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way, and what will the British Government and British people do ¿ absolutely nothing! People may moan and grumble but the tide of east European lowest of lows will eventually suck the system dry, unless drastic action is taken and taken very quickly the inevitable demise of the indigenous people is inevitable. Blair and co have a lot to answer for. One has to ask why on earth my family members died in WW 11 - for what???
!!!!Enough IS enough!!!!! NO MORE!!!!
No no no!
Time to move out of EEC.
News for end if 2013 millions if Britons leave for better life. Who will fund their benefits when the workers leave
Looks like government and its agencies are not up to the task of protecting us and our way of life, when that happens there is ultimately only one answer.
And you told me it was all Labour's fault, but the fact is Maggie signed all the treaties!
are you going to reduce their benefits duncan smith?
Oh great
Yeah come on in, our doors are always open, our money is your money, our NHS is your NHS, our government will look after you before its own people, I could go on forever.
Thank you Mr Blair for signing us up to this. Question is what if anyting can be done to stop it? This is a truly frightening prospect, one that we simply cannot sit back and wait for.
I just cannot believe what I have just read!!! I hope Cameron acts to stop all these people coming to Britain, if not God Help Us All!!
It's sickening. My father and grandfather put their lives on the line to keep out the Germans, now thanks to our treacherous politicians, we've got to 'welcome' this lot - what an obscenity! .
I'm sorry, but....no.....their predicament is appalling, but Britain is not a charity.....we are broke.....beyond broke....and this lot coming over here and flooding our job centres with more claimants is just another reason to leave the EU and close our borders to immigrants. I'm not being cruel, but it's up to the Bulgarian government to sort its own mess out, not palm its people off on other countries to deal with. If this keeps up our population will be over 100m in a few years and we are a tiny island with minimal resources...what's going to happen when the camels back is finally broken? Are we going to get a bailout from Germany??? This isn't right.....Eastern European countries need to get off their own backsides and sort themselves out instead of crying to Britain for aid and welfare benefits.
omg. *weeps at what is happening to England*
I'm leaving the UK, what shambles this country has become. I wondered if I turned up in their country would I get free handouts, health care, education oh and a free house to live in!!
This fills me with fear.
Lost for words....
Wish I could say what I really feel. Shame on Britain if this happens.
The millions who come will end up in England not Wales or Scotland so why say Britain? The European Union is a walking disaster area.
Oh ! can hardly wait
"Plunging his freezing hands into his thin leather jacket, he says despairingly: ¿There is nothing for my gipsy people here. " There's nothing for you in the UK either mate, make the best of what you have, there are enough problems in Britain without you lot!
Correction - those pictured are ALL Gypsies that happen to be Bulgarian /Romanian citizens. Same difference yet a world away from the rest of the country.
Lets make sure we get out of the EU before they join. Millions of pounds will go from our contribution to the EU to support their country whilst thousands come here to claim benefits or take jobs.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with foreigners who want to (im)migrate to Britain, that excel in a certain subject such as Science or Language, to come over here and make a living. It's when stuff like this happens, 29MILLION who will come here and claim a right to live including benefits and NHS?! Outrageous! Vote UKIP!
Don't blame the people for wanting a better life for themselves and for their children. If you have a problem with what's happening, then lobby your MP.
Oh for Gods sake!! What benefit is there for us being in the EU?? Please tell me because the only benefits seem to be for the weaker countries while we suffer! Whats the point of me getting up and going to work everyday to pay ridiculous amount of tax (yes it really has got ridiculous -40%) for it to go to things that I so strongly disagree with. WHEN is someone going to put their foot down an stop this?!
For the love of God some one pull the plug on Cameron now and call an election.
Welcome to Britain.
Stop paying benefits and giving housing away, and they won't come, will they? More free-loaders we don't need.
Lets hope we have the common sense to leave the E.U. before this happens.
Well that's just great.
we dont want or need this lot - wake up Great Britain!!! We were full years ago!!!!!!!
We need to get OUT of the EU asap and close the borders. How on earth is the UK going to be able to keep all these people, give them housing, benefits, schooling and healthcare. Enough is enough. Stay where you are. We are full!
I if I were them I would move here to!
Shut the borders now........or it truly will be the end of the world......or the UK anyway.
I remember hearing from you about the barbarian hordes from all over Eastern europe invading these shores before, DM, several years ago in fact and nothing remotely like what you predicted came true. You worry too much.
..and this is different from British people living in European Countries and claiming benefits they are 'entitled' to ???
After the way England betrayed Poland during and immediately after World War 2, it's only right that they can come here as reparation. England even refused to let the Polish soldiers who'd fought alongside British troops participate in the Victory Parade in London. This was despite the fact that every Pole that died meant one less British soldier sacrificed his life.
where does it all end... we should be out of the EU .. money should stay in the uK, TO boost our economy not sent out.... Until we sort out this mess, we will never ever prosper.. - katie, london , 23/7/2011 1:06 So, if your rules were to be implemented, my husband - who has gone abroad to work because he could find none here - should not be permitted to send money to me to support our home?
Ok but do they spend ANY money here or send everything? Aren't Brits spending money overseas as well? What about other immigrants? Don't they send any money abroad?
After reading the comments on the above article, I think some people have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. While I do think we owe the brave Polish pilots of WW2 a debt of gratitude, I believe the German and Russians owe them far, far more. Between the two of them, they slaughtered millions of innocent Polish people. Germany is in the EU, how about them shouldering some of the financial weight?
We have far too many immigrants, legal and illegal, in MY country. Time they all went back to where they came from. I served in the British Royal Navy, when we had one, and spent time in various parts of the British Empire, when we had one, - Lionel B, Dundee, Great Britain, >>>>>>>>> I am hoping this is some kind of spoof comment, designed specifically to whip up support from the more extreme DM readership. Charming Lionel declares that all people (who originate in other countries) should go "back to where they came from. Perhaps when you were busying yourself with the oppression of countries which Britain had invaded (aka the British Empire) you would have done better to get yourself "back you where YOU came from"! Really, this man cannot be in earnest?
Don't you think it's wrong to say that 70K of Poles are guilty of what is happened to that 60M country? If 70 000 is unemployed that means 310 000 pays taxes in UK! What's the problem then? It's their business what they do with their savings isn't it? Brits that working outside UK are sending much, much more back home. Stop blaim hardworking Poles - and think how can we cut benefits system for every one - especially for those lazy who never even worked in their life because they dont want to, regardles if it's Brit, Pole, African or Asian! The mission of EU was to bring whole Europe to the point where the life standards equal in each country. You can't achieve that without having rich countires contribute to the poorest. It will take several year but once this is achieved the 'internal' imigration problem disapear and everyone will feel the benefits of balanced development. It's sad and a big shame that British people doesn't understand this...
"Good on them they work hard for their money they do the job we will not do do you see lines of white english males wanting these jobs think not - tommy atkins, The cold north, 23/7/2011 11:07" But just take a look in your local Jobcentre - no jobs. These jobs are advertised overseas for immigrants to take them, effectively barring Brits - that's why you do not see Brits queueing up for them.
hahahahaha you lot make me laugh i work with lots of polish and i wouldnt want it any other way hardworking polite friendly well educated lovely people and yes they all pay there taxes unlike the scroungers that were born and bred here poland please send some more
Thank goodness for the Poles and other east Europeans. Reliable plumbers, electricians, hard working cleaners. And lots in IT making the locals have to perk up. Makes a change from the standards we endured 20 years ago. What they are doing is featherbedding the unemployed Brits too busy watching daytime telly to bother either going to school and learning something or to work.
I had enough... talk about all immigrants not just Poles how many Asians and Africans live off Polish immigrants' taxes? Let's talk about them cowards! Or too scared to be branded racist? Joke! Had enough!
The U.K has historically been invaded starting with the jutes, followed by Romans, now there is a new wave, and as for a U.K accent, there is still one, it is just differant than what it was before.
Lionel B, Dundee, Great Britain, -------------So Lionel B. You seem to think it's ok for us to have an empire and live and work in other countries, but none of those people should be able to come and work here. under the skin what a racists nation we have and the media panders to it!
I am British, work abroad and get better pay than back in Blighty. Should I be sent home? Ironically I spent time working in Eastern Europe earning way more than the locals due to my qualification/experience. Everyone was really nice to me too.
So what, it's their money, they can do what ever they want with it. If you have a problem with this maybe us Brits should stop travelling and shopping abroad, this alone will make sure that billions upon billions stay in Britain. On the other hand, I prefer holidays abroad because it costs me much less than Britain, I get a much better service and if you stay away from popular chav spots then it feels like heaven.
"So how is that happening? Because they aren't just doing menial or agricultural jobs, they are doing well paid jobs and denying young Brits the opportunity to work!" I have an opportunity to observe young Brits at work as I work with a few. One of them is a graduate who couldn't find work for a year after graduating. One would think that she would be grateful to have a job in these difficult times. She won't answer a phone because it is not in her job spec, she won't do this or that because it is not in her job spec. I am still waiting to see if she would do a day of honest work. Late start, early finish, she is lucky to have a very relaxed boss. I wouldn't like to model my work ethics on her. I am glad though that someone finally noticed that we don't only do menial or agricultural work. I will be gladly back at my desk on Monday to make some money to cover the cost of benefits for the unemployed young British teen mums.
That 3 billion quid is what they have left after paying for food, rent, income tax, council tax and thanks to Osborne the highest rate of Vat ever! Should we insist they must spend all their wages over here? That seems to be the inference of the article!
If there is no work at home you do what Norman Tebbit advised, 'get on your bike' When you find work you send some home for your family! Just what is so wrong with that?
It's the law that is the issue here. Don't blame Polish people who are only looking after their struggling families. You might do exactly the same in their position. We are just fortunate to live in a country with a (just about) resaonable economy. Don't forget, a lot of this was gained by trampling on the poor and the powerless.
My son works in Saudi Arabia and sends home money every month! I suppose that's different!
it is disgusting!!! Why people always mention people from Easter Europe especially from Poland!! We have a lot of different nationalities working here. At least people from Poland are paying taxes. Try to mention other nationalities and we will have racism, but attacking polish poeople is ok!! if they are sendig so much money ( laugh) they need to pay a lot of taxes for all the lazy people seating on benefits!!!!!
I am just thinking what is the purpose of this kind of 'studies'. Seeking a scapegoat to satisfy unhappy? I am a Pole, we came to England over 20 years ago, because my husband got the invitation for an interview. We thought carefully about spending so much money on airline ticket and three day stay in London, and we sacrificed all our savings and took the risk. He got the job and we came here, as a family, to stay in one of the most expensive cities in Europe. We lived for several years in hospital property built in the 50ties last century - as we could not afford anything better, with no double glazing, sparse carpets, ground floor and electric heating which costed a fortune. We never ever get any benefits, we payed our taxes, NI. When my son was old enough to get to primary school I get the job. My son was bullied at school that we are scundrels living off generous state benefits, whereas we had to pay oppressive mortgage. Please be more careful in sticking labels.
You can't continue to blame Blair/Brown. This government had the ball at their foot when they came to power and have done nothing to change this mess.
do people know that britain used polish women as spies and for labour in ww2?
Yet another example where English money is going abroad and if we look at how much we give also away to 3rd world countries and floundering European states it is no wonder this country is going down the pan. Well done Mr Cameron make your own people suffer at the expense of others!
the fact that polish people who get benefits in the uk qualify for them under the eu law as do any other citizens of the eu . do the people of britain remember without the polish pilots in the battle of britain there is a good chance that we would be part of germany - philip hampson, warsaw poland, 23/7/2011 9:28 Sure the Polish pilots helped in the Battle of Britain but don't forget Britain went to Polands' aid in 1939 when Germany invaded them first. Many Poles settled here after 1945 my dad being one of them and I met many of his Polish friends who fought 1939-45 and couldn't say a bad word against any of them,however this new generation seem to be over here to help themselves and get everything going and then send their earnings back to Poland. How does this help our economy????
Yet another very important reason why we need to exit the EU - and fast!
If itsmonet they earned we cant say much but if its benefits we should have a say. All I can say is thank you Tony, thank you Gordon. Blair was so blinded by the vision that he wanted to be "president" of Europe he agreed to anything. Another reason we should leave the EU.
So a Polish person claiming benefits unfairly is worse than an English person doing it?!? Equal in my eyes Fraud is Fraud. My partner is Polish and he works two jobs to live here and has never claimed any sort of benefit, he does not even use the NHS despite having paid taxes and NI for 5 years now (almost as long as i have since i am 23 and started work at 17) he flys to Poland for Dentists and Doctors and any money he sends home. I also know Polish people who do claim benefits and i think that instead of ' Sending them all home' You crack down on the system that is failing everybody it seems
its time we stopped all immigration. The government promised a glamp down on immigration, Mr Cameron lilly livered liar your selling your own people down the river.
I'm not sure about the sums, they smack a bit of sensationalism. However, for me it's simple. If you're not a British Citizen, there should be no NHS and no handouts. You're welcome to live here but pay your own way and if you need propping up, toddle off back to your mother ship...I'd be happy to abide by that rule if I wanted to live in your country. Job done.
Anti EU- Sheep, really? The EU claims that by being in excistance then they have eradicated wars in Europe, the EU is most likley to be the cause, as smaller countries get bullied by Germans and France it to taking fiscal measures that make them subserviant to the EU, eventually one of these countries will say enough is enough, and when that happens who do you think will be on the receiving end first, the hoards of foreign nationals living in there countries.
Good old Gordon Brown and New Labour, wants the rest of us to work hard all our lives and then struggle in near poverty when we retire, yet thinks nothing of giving away 'British Jobs' to foreign workers with benefits on top, or reward long time unemployed with generous benefits while every working man and woman struggles along to pay their way. Whatever was this idiot thinking over the 13 years he was Chancellor and then PM, because it certainly wasn't about looking after his own people in their own country that's for sure, we were just the cash cows.
We have far too many immigrants, legal and illegal, in MY country. Time they all went back to where they came from. I served in the British Royal Navy, when we had one, and spent time in various parts of the British Empire, when we had one, but do not recall meeting very many British immigrants. I was in Calcutta in 1947 when it gained separation from the Empire - upon which the sun never set - and took the opportunity to spend time with my late Uncle who spent 32 years in Jagadal, NNW of Calcutta, where he was Manager of a Jute Mill, providing work for the natives. I spoke to a number of his employees and they were happy to have paid work. Without exception they were nice people. Of all the countries I visited during my service, India, Ceylon and Japan are the ones I would like to revisit, but..... they are all too far away now!
Thay are not doing anything illegal. Are they? We donkeys allow it.
They can do that, as they are actually prepared to work, unlike many native British who are happy so sit back on their fat idle backsides and take benefits.
I was out shopping last week and as I wondered round the local supermarket and the high street, I turned and said to my wife, I cannot believe that every voice I have heard so far is not an UK one. As for the UK economy needing these workers. What did they do before they all came here? Who did the jobs? Businesses will say they need them because they want wages to remain low..
- philip hampson, warsaw poland, 23/7/2011 9:28~~~ you have a point. Just for the record... Nationality Pilots Killed United Kingdom 1878 348 Poland 141 29 Canada 88 20 Czechoslovakia 88 8 New Zealand 73 11 Belgium 26 6 Australia 21 14 South Africa 21 9 F
It's not money that should be sent back, it's unemployed Poles. We've got enough of our own unemployed. You try going to any European country and being unemployed! You wouldn't be there long. Only in Britain ....!
Good on them they work hard for their money they do the job we will not do do you see lines of white english males wanting these jobs think not
I think most of you Brits have forgotten the times before the recession when you didn't want those "menial" jobs simply because the pay was too low. That's why your government decided to bring Poles to your country to improve the economy becuase some of you were too lazy to get your asses up to go to work. You preferred to live on benefit instead of finding a job. Now the situation is different. Times are hard everywhere in Europe. The truth is that most Polish immigrants have a lot better educational background than you Brits! True - most Poles have master's degrees, speak foreign languages, have extensive knowledge on many subjects. When I lived in Britain years ago, I couldn't find many Brits with such an extensive knowledge of the world! 90% of Brits believed that there are polar bears in Poland and in winter it's as cold as in Siberia. Of course it's the fault of your educational system which instead of pumping knowledge into your kids, teaches them nothing.
do the people of britain remember without the polish pilots in the battle of britain there is a good chance that we would be part of germany - philip hampson, warsaw poland --- Well, if you want to count who did what, you shall remember UK entered WW2 formally to protect Poland, as a result bancrupted the country, had to dismantle empire and become satellite state. If they didn't there is a good chance you would be part of Germany, this part is true indeed. Nah, I don't think they owe you too much.
A very meticulous manipulation as if trying to divert attention from other ,more burning issues of immigration. It's not so much about how much of earned money is sent out of Britain (incidentally, it would be interesting to learn how many Pounds have been transferred to Asia and Africa since 1970's that way) but what the consecutive goverments have done with public money in connection with immigration. It would also be interesting to see how many people by particular nationality receive benefits. They real problem with immigration is the granting of benefits. If an immigrant cannot find a legal job it's his problem and not the goverment' s. No one in the wide world would think of coming to UK if it was known the nobody here would support him . The existence of the present benefit system only encourages further immigration.
If they've sent hom £23billion, just think how much the UK economy has profited from the work they do.
Richard, Barnet, 23/7/2011 8:49................................................................................. What pompous clatrap! Most of the ex-pats abroad are spending their pensions in the host country, not squirrelling away a small fortune to send back here. - Englisc, Engloland, 23/7/2011 09:50 // // too right! My parents emigrated to NZ many years ago and now retired there. They get the NZ pensions because they worked and paid in there. They are also entitled to the UK pension because they worked many years here before emigrating. HOWEVER they do NOT get the UK pension. The UK government pays it to the NZ government and the NZ government KEEPS IT. So it seems to me that UK Ex-pats get a rawdeal everywhere in the world! And to think OUR government is handing out our money all over the world !
Just remember it was the allied Polish airmen who saved the UK from the Nazis and helped end World War 2!!!! We owe the Polish people alot.
Have I missed something? Is today an official Pole-bashing day?
Has anyone counted the benefits the government pays to the Brits from the taxes the emigrants pay?
Europe is not all bad. We could learn a lot from Italy---How to deal with dictators, for instance.
If that was happenning in France the French People would unite and be on the streets with blockades. Making the Government take notice what do we do ?Nothing!!! Just sit back and take it "wel done UK....you never learn,from the rest of EU......." - tony, rome, completely agree Tony exactly as the rest of the EU see us a soft touch ruled by one after another soft touch dont stand up for Britain at any cost leaders
Why should the UK taxpayer subsidise an out of work foreigner living here? The government would probably be throwing £4.5million a week in foreign aid anyway... so it's an expected loss to the nation.
If they work in the UK and pay tax and NI they also qualify for working tax credit and even if their children live with their mother or family back in their native EEA country they can claim child tax credits. Quite how the tax office accurately confirm they have children, I dread to think. Although they may work in low paid jobs, it qualifies them for the tax credits which can amount to a large sum of money. When workers from the EEA started to come to this country, a network of stop gap businesses were set up here and abroad to arrange temporary housing and find work for the migrants, they are very well informed on their rights and the benefit systems. This may be upsetting for people in this country but these people are not breaking any laws, they're just taking full advantage of a situation that our goverments has allowed to happen. The goverment needs to act now before the restricitions against Romania are raised 2013.
If there are 390,000 Poles in the UK and 70,000 unemployed and we assumed that the 320,000 are earning 15k a year. That means that they are earning 4.8 billion a year. If we the assume they pay direct and indirect taxes of 30 per cent, but this is probably higher, then they pay 28 million a week in taxes, more than enough to pay the 4.5 million "Polish" benefits bill. However they must be a lot more Poles or they must earn a lot more money, and pay a lot more taxes, if they send home 3 billion. But if they do manage this then good luck to them, it proves that they work hard, that they are not debt junkies and save money. We could learn a lot from them if we are going to come out of recession.
Apart from scandinavia, is there another country in the world you can rob with their eyes open?
Let's not forget. Big business is driving immigration aided by the politician's. Recently a huge business recruitment company was asked, "Why can't you recruit from the 7 billion people in Europe?" They could only reply that diversity and multiculturalism was important. In other words. We can pay peanuts! Without doubt Europe is being shafted by the very rich select few. Our 'leaders' are letting them. The Poles are only one symptom of a abused system.
I have just been looking at interest rates in Poland compared with the UK and I too may be sending my money there. These Poles are no fools in not saving their money in the UK.
Benefits to all EU citizens should be payed at the rate their country pays them, ie Poles in Britain should receive the benefits rates paid in Poland. If there is no such benefit in one country, then citizens of that country should not expect to collect that benefit in another country. Or can politicians not work that out?
Of course we should mention that the Poles etc do in fact work when they are here, or at least most of them. Attracted by our bountiful benefits and stable society they will likely stay for ever. Good for them. Now where can we go to get an instant increase in our living standards? The USA is reluctant to take more immigrants. There must be somewhere that will take in lazy Brits!
@ GB, Offshore, 23/7/2011 10:20 < no you are wrong. Stop making statements about things that you no clearly nothing about. Everyone can move freely within the EU to work and live. There is nothing that forces a country to pay any sort of benefits .
I believe our politicians are playing it all very "clever". They always talk about immigration outside EU, which was last year in minus figures. But NO one is ready to talk about EU migration which is actually a problem. I never realised the problem until now when I recently visited IKEA. Customer services, collection people, delivery guys, alomost all of them were EU nationals.
Does anybody know the difference between Labour and Conservative, oh yes. We are all in it together. They certainly are.
4,5 million a week is nothing if we compare to the money given to british nationals who are the vast majority of benefit claimants. The brits must claim hundreds a week.
I look at it like this... It ain't nobody's business honey, where in the world I spend my money, nobody's business but my own; its nobody's business kid, where in the world I keep my money hid, ain't no body's business but my own.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. All immigrants of all countries are aware of the legal loopholes of this country, but when we have commented we are deemed racist. When will the barmy British demand fair play for all sections of British society after all those who have worked hard all of their lives have earned their support, so why are we letting them down in favour of the human rights of strangers?
Referendum NOW !!!
You can blame past governments for the crippling situation we are in now but this present government is doing nothing to address the situation. Why it keeps wages down? It makes the wealthy even more wealthy [ cheap labour] and also gives them a workforce who wont complain too much hence high unemployment .Money that is not going back into the system and more JSA paid out. This is all about destroying the working class of this country.
Join UKIP, and make your voice heard. Time for action, not just words.
Th UK is a joke. I watched the top gear episode with the very british 50 years of the e type jag. It made me angry and cry to think what we lost in just 13 short years thanks to labour. This is just another example of how blair and co have sent the UK downhill. It shocks me how its been systematically done. Why is that poor excuse of a human allowed to run around earning his millions after doing this. He should be hung.
and we still dont get allowed a referendum to get out of the stupid situation of being in europe. we will survive, certainly better than we are now and have a growth econmy like germany. look what £4 billion would do to our spending economy in the uk. as it would be earned and spent by british workers. but alas mp's dont listen ad care, unless something like expenses or bribes is at hand and they act super fast. what about the tax on nom doms living here are they paying any more like the tories promised. i bet not. but they acted quickly to the middle classes and working classes in their austerity measures
When your living 10 to a house, in the garage and all the rest of it that's understandable.. The working man is screwed in UK, WAGES ARE DECREASING!!
- Tina, Hamps, 23/7/2011 9:37 - "Our government is allowing this to happen. Where will it all end? It needs to STOP and STOP very soon!!!"..... Not just stopped, Tina - REVERSED.......I voted against joining this obnoxious union when it was put forward as
You think this is bad. Well just wait until the EU opens it's arm to Turkey. We'll get the Turks and all the refugees from Libya swarming into the UK and no one can stop them. Goodby great britian, "no capitals intended".
There are very few here in France, they only seem to be shopping. But then the french give jobs firstly to the french. annabel
I'm not entitled to all those benefits in the UK and I'm English born and bred and so were my ancestors for as far as can be traced. Why am I left out in the cold when so many foreigners are given all these benefits? And when I have been living in England I did work but still all I get is 6 pounds a year and I won't get much more when I return to live this year. It's just disgusting
When will this madness end ?
A referendum NOW if we stay in the EU or not, The last labour government promised one in there 2005 manifesto then realised they wouldn't get the answer they wanted so broke there promise. To date the british people have never had a say on this ridiculous circus call the EU.
As the CBI has stated our businesses need migrants in order to provide the labour that is required for those businesses to be succesful. If we did not have Poles working here our overall economy would suffer. If our economy suffers then if affects all of us. Interestingly, none of the anti-eu sheep have commented on the huge number of UK ex-pats living abroad. - Richard, Barnet, 23/7/2011 8:49................................................................................. What pompous clatrap! Most of the ex-pats abroad are spending their pensions in the host country, not squirrelling away a small fortune to send back here.
we seem to have governments of absolute schmucks
This is just the tip of the iceberg being in the EU costs us dear,we must get out.The EU principle is to take the wealth from the wealthy members and re-distribute to the poorer and newer club members! EU is very much a dictatorship and completly undemocratic,you cant vote to remove any Brussels elite!!!!
Pawel arrives in the UK on a cheap flight leaving his wife and 4 children in Poland. He takes a low paid job and finds a rental propert for which he receives Housing Benefit and Council Tax relief. He receives Child Benefit for his 4 young children which he sends back to Poland together with money he saves working in the UK. Pawel is hard working but his net contribution to the economy of the UK is minimal at best.
Well done them! If we are daft enough to have such a lacks system what can we expect. It does however mean that Cameron could cut the Foreign Aid budget accordingly as it is obviously administering itself.
aint life grand for everyone but the mug british taxpayer big houses built in rumania open house here come and get it on the front pages of foreign papers what a lovely green and pleasant we live in aid aid aid to all
thats why we are going bankrupt, we just give to the entire universe.
This is the legacy of new Labour and the leftie BBC propaganda machine. It`s one of the reasons we are two trillion in debt and with our present system of government never get out of it.Untill we have proper representative government for british citizens , not professional parasities who are only interested in there selves and foreign nationals , this country is finished it`s already breaking up.
Our government is allowing this to happen. Where will it all end?? Who really is going to start taking care of our elderly, our education system and our national health system? We simply don't have the money for all these people that are flooding into our Country. It needs to STOP and STOP very soon!!!
Send all these people back. They are needed back home. How big is Poland? How big is the UK? This coutnry is full to bursting point. How the hell can our relationship with the EU be on this scale considering out benefits system? We either need to slash benefits and privitise the NHS or get out of the EU. Otherwise this country will be milked dry.
Thus the money being syphoned from this country becomes dead money, leaving a huge hole in our economy. No wonder we're in such an economic mess. Alas, the syphoning will continue because of the total inadequacy of the government to face up to the matter.
Everyone had a chance to make their opinions felt in May 2010. However the majority of people chose to vote for the pro EU Partys, Lib/Lab/Con. This is the result.
It used to to be the case that Britain was known as 'Treasure Island' because foreign manufacturers could hike selling prices of their goods and reasonably expect the British would pay up (yes, it still happens). Now that label is more appropriate and for the reasons described in this report. However, it seems unfair to single out Poles - how much cash is sent home by non-EU nationals, for example? Either way it hardly matters because the source of that cash is the same.
Im much more concerned about the natives of this land, who expect the state to support them and there ferral offspring for the whole of there misrable lives. Maybe we could do a swap with Poland.
WELL DONE POLITICIANS..........YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR NOT GETTING US OUT OF THE EU. UKIP VOTER
the fact that polish people who get benefits in the uk qualify for them under the eu law as do any other citizens of the eu . do the people of britain remember without the polish pilots in the battle of britain there is a good chance that we would be part of germany
- Jack, Manchester, 23/7/2011 8:29 »»»» I suggest you change your bank if you can not easily do international transactions. Most British, including myself, have no problems. International trade is important to the UK and supports the economy. I think 
If Britain was a night club we wouldn't be allowed to let anybody in because of fire regulations. We're way overcrowded. But Cameron keeps letting in more international benefits claimants. Blair used to lie about the wonderful benefits of a dynamic and vibrant multicultural society. Cameron doesn't even bother to discuss it. Unless someone hacks his phone he doesn't want to know. We should revoke his British citizenship and deport him to Brussels.
if a system allows it ..then people will work it to their advantage ...change the system !!!!!........write to Cameron at Downing St ...if enough people do this at grass roots level...then government will be forced to act ...eventually if we all do nothing - then nothing gets changed ..comments on this forum are meaningless if you really want to see a change in the benefits culture or unchecked immigration
When are people going to wake up and refuse to vote for any candidate that will not make a public declaration that they will campaign yto pull us out of the EU?
VOTE.UKIP.They will remove all European nationals from Britain All British expat pensioners must return to Britain;there will be no EU agreements anymore to secure their payments abroad.
That works out as £11,500 per working Pole sent home per annum. So what do they live on? Because we are supposed to believe they are doing menial jobs. That figure equates to about £18,000 pa gross pay. But they must earn more than that since a minimum subsistence would require another £6000pa net or £9500 gross. And that would mean they were earning £27,500 pa gross. Which is about £5000 pa MORE than the UK national average. So how is that happening? Because they aren't just doing menial or agricultural jobs, they are doing well paid jobs and denying young Brits the opportunity to work!
This ongoing nightmare will eventually break the spirit of those that work and pay taxes. Where will the benefits come from when that happens?
That's EU Law for you. The law states that 'Every EU citizen is free to travel and work and live in ANY of the EU countries'. You are also free to travel and claim benefits in ANY of the EU countries. So Polish people and others are not doing anything illegal. What is the problem here?. If the British want out of the EU...then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and stop complaining like you always do.
There are probably 200,000-300,000 living and working here and not paying taxes so therefore being able to undercut estimates of builders etc who do pay their taxes etc then they send the money home instead of putting it back into the economy here! I am in the building trade and declare all my earnings but come accross many Polish workmen and also Gardeners who get paid cash and declare it. I am aware some British also do the same but at least they spend the money here therefore putting into back into the economy!
Yes, I am ''a cleaning lady'' who work to pay the bills and study to develop yourself. I get no penny from benefits and I do not send money to Poland. Now green arrow me.
£3.7 billion a year sent home! They must be paying many times that in taxes and NI. Tens of billions!!! Jobseakers allowance paid to those arriving and looking for work is tiny in comparison.This pyramid scheme to pay for the British not to work and not to do the nasty jobs is well out of hand and has to change. Make the unemployed work.
Mickey Staffs: Someone has stood up to this problem they are the BNP&UKIP But for some reason people don't want to vote for them. Shame because its our only hope.
Well you have noticed, shame realy but you brits paid to build my 5 bed house,thank you , merc car next,maybe ponies for the kids ! We have nice roads , thank you EU, new pavements and street lights. TONY BLAIR & GORDON BROWN & NOW that nice Mr Cameron our friends
Stop benefits for any immigrant, if they come to this country they must be able to provide for themselves, job, money and housing. If not, dont allow them in simple !!! Lets start putting the Great back into Britain and stop being a push over for anyone and everything.
When I worked overseas the locals did not like the earnings of expats being sent back to their home countries. The locals called it economic flight. My expat colleagues and I had to pay additional monies that the locals did not have to pay, an example of which was school fees for our children. These were quite expensive if you wanted a decent school with a British curriculum. As a result, along with living expenses (food, utilities etc) at least 65% of my salary was paid back into my host country's economy.
Good to see we are propping up the Polish Economy.What the hell is wrong with us???? - Colin James Brown, In Nowhere Land, 23/7/2011 7:42 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 13 years of a Labour Govt and a cowardly PM by the name of Brown who didn't even have the decency to publicly sign our rights away.
There is only one way you can make our arrogant Politicians sit up and take note, that we the electorate want OUT of the EU, and that is VOTE UKIP at your first opportunity.
Shouldn't we really "feel proud" at this wonderful achievment ?!!!!!!
The CBI wants cheap workers from eastern europe. They make more money via cheap workers. The local workers sit at home on the dole paid for by you the tax payer. ITS GOOD FOR US. WAKE UP.
well perhaps the BNP might have something to say about that, and its time we gave them a chance, why should our millionaire pm give a damn ?
Bit two late now , Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted . All down to Blair and brown again iam afraid.
Stop all benefits once and for all for everyone, If you come to live and work in another country then you should invest in that country, if you earn a small wage you can claim working tax credit. This must stop.
I think a lot of the comments here are actually missing the point. As the article clearly states the vast majority of the Poles in the UK come here to work and pay taxes, what they do with their earnings is entirely up to them. Employers often prefer Poles because they tend to be intelligent and hard-working. As the CBI has stated our businesses need migrants in order to provide the labour that is required for those businesses to be succesful. If we did not have Poles working here our overall economy would suffer. If our economy suffers then if affects all of us. Interestingly, none of the anti-eu sheep have commented on the huge number of UK ex-pats living abroad.
If EU rules stop us from restricting benefits to immigrants then the EU should cover the cost.
JOHNNY ENGLISH, LONDON :- actually they may not be paying taxes, if they return home after a period of time they can claim all uk takes back., which in a way means there on a better pay rate than most people think
JOHNNY ENGLISH, LONDON, UK, 23/7/2011 Very true, J the DM and other papers are stirring again, i bet we pay more for the local inbreeds, who have never worked.......bet i get red carded as well...must mean some inbreeds can read as well..lol
This debacle was perpertrated by the previous Labour "government", they had the chance to stop this happening for at least seven years, just as every other country in the EU did. Did they do anything? no, they said that in their estimation only about thirteen thousand would come, we are indeed run by imbeciles.
Last to leave please turn the light off
And my Polish husband works every hour there is in a job that no British person wanted before the recession. The taxes he pays goes towards the comfortable lifestyle of our English neighbour who play the benefits systems and hasn't done a days work in his life (just as well as his day starts in the afternoon). My husband doesn't send money home as we don't have any extra money. It all goes back into the British economy. I am English and have lived and worked all my life in this country. If the underclass benefits bunch (not the genuine unemployed) had got off their backsides and worked when there were jobs then these people would not be over here now. Red arrow me but in any article on benefits scroungers you are all in agreement then.
Deduct benefits paid to EC claimants - plus a hefty administration fee - from whatever we pay to Brussels. Don't discuss it, just do it. We could even end up making a profit.
Last to leave please turn the light off.
i think mps and future prime ministers should have a brain scan, because there is something seriously wrong with this lot running the country, and the last labour administrations, anyone with an iq of 10 can see whats gone wrong
Never mind all the continual, useless talk out this abuse of our country! When is Cameron, despite Nutter Clegg and his do-gooding gang, going to do something effective about this problem and immigration as a whole? Preferable telling the EU and the European Court to mind its own business. Better still get us out of the damn EU!
If I took cash into a bank and asked for it to be transferred out of the UK then two things would happen. Bank sfaff would fall over laughing and then call the police. I would have to prove beyond doubt that that the money was mine and all tax had been paid. Message to Tony Cameron - "Has all money sent abroad been checked to ensure that the person sending it legally owns the money? Has all tax and VAT been paid? I am not holding my breath.
Are these benefits available in Poland? No. That why this injustice demands our attention to force a referendum.
Its about time the British public made their severe concerns known and all benefits stopped to foreign nationals... we cannot afford this waste of taxpayers money, come on some one take note and do something positive before we are sunk.
Your comments:so much for their contribution to the economy of this country. This should be stopped by removing their benefits, and stop paying for children who do not live here. I live in a small town which had a population at the 2001 census of just over 18,000. We now have an influx of eu migrants between 3 and 6000 - no one on authority is prepared to state what the [opulation is - they just do not know. Shameful.
Well not everybody is like that ... I am only here because my husband's job was relocated.. I am educated and have two good jobs (I am not a cleaning lady!)... I don't send a penny to Poland... BUT I am sick of those local Brits, as to use euphemism lazy creatures who decided to have a living on producing children and getting benefits ! I am Polish and I pay for them ! (in my taxes) Two massive mistakes in this country: - benefit culture. - the imigration should be tamed. And Mr. Cameron only fed us with promises ..... what a shame ... would be nice to have a Good Old England back (even if it means I will come back to Poland - which I can't wait to happen - if you have money, a lifestyle is MUCH better there ) .. all the best falks :)
Words fail me, the majority of Brits claiming benefits have at some stage contributed into the system. These people are take, take take- and no doubt some are working illegally as well. IDS is threatening people at home re benefit cuts, would it not better if he looked into the amounts paid to foreign nationals first? - Sarah, Brentwood, 23/7/2011 7:52 Sarah, We don't take, take, take. I don't know even one Polish person who claims any kind of benefits or lives in a social housing. Most of the Polish immigrants are young and they have been able to find a job. Since arriving to the UK almost 6 year ago I haven't been out of work even for a day apart from my annual leave. I live in London and can honestly say that if someone wants to find a job, they will find it here, of course if you have any work ethics and prefer to work even if the job wouldn't pay as much as the benefits. Benefits should be only for people in a genuine need.
Good to see we are propping up the Polish Economy.What the hell is wrong with us???? - Colin James Brown, In Nowhere Land, 23/7/2011 07:42 What the hell is wrong with people like you who fail to recognise it is the native dole scum who are ruining this country?
It,s no good moaning , until the people vote for a party that is prepared to remove us from the detested EU nothing will change . There is one thing for sure the lib/lab/con artists have no intention of getting us out
What a joke, this madness has to stop, no other country would allow this to happen.
This is one step closer to a one world economy & a one world governement. its happening.
Take a look at the BNP website. There is a petition for a referendum to take us out of the EU. At least someone is trying.
This goes to show the madness of our MP's. Why are we paying them when they haven't paid into our system. This money should be recovered from Poland and not paid by the British Tax Payer. We must remember that the Labour policy was, and is, to cause as much damage as possible to this country as has been proved.
all i can say is good old britain
STOP this insanity NOW. If they are working her, fine. But why should we pay them to send back out of the country and deprive us of the benefits. It's time to change the rules - most of these people only come here to sign and not do work - bring the rest of the family and get ten times as much. Why can't our government stand up for the British? Stop sending the billions out of the country and fill the hole which we have to suffer. PLEASE . . .
There are some very basic simple reasonable and logical solutions to this which I believe are difficult to reason against. For families no long term access to the UK unless you have a means of support ie a guaranteed job sufficient to support the family or adequate personal finance to support yourself. If unemployed for more than 6 months you return to your homeland. All benefits must be claimed in your homeland and payable by your state for dependants still resident there, Alternatively although not ideal, working people claiming benefits for dependants not resident in UK are only entitled to benefits at the same qualifying level available and payable in their home country eg if child benefit in Poland is £10 and in the UK it is £20 then they get £10. The latter assumes that the situation is very much a 'swings and roundabout' but in reality I would suggest that the number of Brits actually moving to other states in the EU and claiming benefits in those countries is minimal.
I wonder if when the tories took us into the EU they knew what we were in for?
There is ONE thing that this LOT never DO learn and that is HOW much fiddling that is going on AND to top it all THEY say they are on TOP of it .-- NOW that is the biggest JOKE of all time they have NO idea how much there is They like to tell US that they are in control BUT that is only a SMOKE SCREEN Somebody is NOT doing the job they are PAID for like all this Government are
Get us out of the EU - NOW!
The EU is bleeding us dry.
Read the article for once "It would mean British taxpayers are forking out some £4.5million a week " So hypothetically we are paying out at most 234 million a year in Briton compared to the 3 billion they send homee not classed as unemployed by the benefits dept). Evidently they are working and paying taxes ( 70K classed as unemployed and 310K officially employed) so why shouldnt they send their cash home. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, BAN ALL MIGRANT LABOUR. I GUARANTEE YOU OUR OWN LAYABOUTS WOULD NOT FILL THE JOBS. THEY HAVE NEVER WORKED IN THEIR LIVES, OTHER THAN HAVING KIDS TO CLAIM MORE, AND WOULD RATHER LIVE SOLELY ON BENEFITS
I am sooooo coming to live in Britain ... not to work just to live off you guys! :)) Seriously, you are even worse than we are at giving undeserving foreigners benefits ... and that is really saying something!
We shouldn't be paying benefits to unemployed migrants at all. They don't do it in France, for example, and they send people back home if they fail to find work. Why can't we? There are so many Eastern Europeans scamming this country. We have a family, complete with a series if cute puppies, who sell the Big Issue in a nearby town. One of them has been doing this for at least four years, with no apparent intention of getting work. According to the Telegraph, these people are able to get housing and other benefits because they register themselves as self-employed, and it's obvious that they couldn't survive on the amount of Big Issues they actually sell. Once again, the British taxpayer is getting taken for a ride.
Words fail me, the majority of Brits claiming benefits have at some stage contributed into the system. These people are take, take take- and no doubt some are working illegally as well. IDS is threatening people at home re benefit cuts, would it not better if he looked into the amounts paid to foreign nationals first?
This country has been run by imbeciles for far too long. Each day that we are ruled by Europe the UK is damaged more. The only way is OUT.
"money should stay in the uK, " Katie, London There are several million UK ex pats like me who have chosen to live in various other countries, mostly in the EU, after a lifetime of working in Britain. Almost ALL of our pensions, savings and resources earned in the UK are now being spent in our chosen countries instead of in the UK economy. The 'loss' that represents is massively greater than all the money sent home by recent working migrants in Britain. No doubt you would want to stop all people living where they wish, rather like in the days when there was the Berlin Wall which stopped East Germans moving to the west.
The EU quango was set up to equalise wealth throughout Europe. It will continue until all is balanced, that is until we are all at the lowest common denominator. The sponge will be squeezed dry. Prepare yourself and your children for massive EU tax rises. Its nothing to do with 'global recession'.
Good to see we are propping up the Polish Economy.What the hell is wrong with us????
It is not just Poles. There are millions of Brits doing the same: scrounging fortunes in "benefits" and frittering it away on foreign holidays and other non-essentials. All of this would stop is benefits stopped being paid as cash, and instead was offered as free rooms in salvation-army dorms, and free food in soup kitchens. This way, the really needy would have bed and board, and those who want the fancy things in life would be compelled to work for them.
Good to know that our taxes are being well spent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UK is too KIND....it is hurting its own people ! Wake UK..time to be tough !
If all that money is being sent home then its not spent in our economy (as everyone knows) so all who have wanted low wages where do you expect to get your sales from and set to get worse .
Every immigrant be it legal or illegal knows that the UK is the 'soft touch' for benefits, that's why they flock here. No other country would pay out the monies we do. Sadly the Coalition are no different to Labour in so far as curbing the influx of most of the unemployed of Europe.
You know this is all so crazy, but so easily sorted. EU legislation demands that we pay them Child Benefit and Tax Credits for their children even if their children have never set foot in this country - the easy way out, do what the EU says, but only pay the benefits at the rate they are paid in their own country. That way we will still have an influx of people who want to come here to genuinely work and contribute, but those who come purely for the benefits wont get anymore that they would in their home country. If their country of origin doesn't have an equivalent system, tough, they don't get anything. Simple really!
Remember this was the lie told to you by New Labour. Blair, Brown, Mandleson and Campbell those who called you racist whilst they the treasonous four went about their business unlawfully invading other sovereign states and destroying our identity and way of life.
All immigrants whether they are from the EU or the rest of the world should be entitled to state aid in the way of benefits, housing and healthcare etc. BUT They should get it at the same level they would recieve in their country of origin, NOT this country. THEN see how attractive a place to live in britain is!
I don't have a problem with people coming to the UK to work, after all we export people in large numbers to other countries. The difference is that the people leaving UK to work abroad have skills, whereas many arriving here have none at all. As we are all aware we have quite enough home-grown no/low skilled people sitting on the dole without encouraging more by an open-benefits policy. As to the claim that people are arriving here and CHOOSING not to work, it is perfectly true (though in my experience it is rarely Polish people) There is clear evidence of this on our streets every day.
This is why we should have a referendum on the Eu Membership or be told exactly just why we should be in it ! There should be a TV discussion and debate on it - then a referendum !!! Please do a pettition in the Mail -l so we can let our voices be heard. The UK can not afford the charity it is giving to all and sundry when its UK Nationals are having such a bad financial time - Fairness and Charity begins with our own!!! Is there another Government/ Country that puts other COuntries and Nationals above their own - I don´t appear to have heard of one; so why Stupid UK??????
Thank you New Labour your betrayal of this country will go down in the history books as the greatest betrayal ever. Your incompetent government style and mismanagment of our finances has burdened every man woman and child for years to come. Blair Brown and Darling should stand trial for treason no Ifs No Buts. Wake up smell the coffee the three main political parties have a secret agenda an agenda thats costing us untold Billions its time we took our country back by NOT voting for any labour libdem or Tory Mps at the next election.
The Poles stood with us during the second World War, yes there are problems with the system, change the system, make Europe work instead of just moaning about it. If the EU was to operate correctly it would benefit all.
here come the red arrows. I, like thousands of other British people, have worked overseas for many years. We have earned very good money which has allowed us to settle nicely back in the UK. In fact the British economy has been propped up for years by income from investments in ex-commonwealth countries, so stop whinging that others are doing the same to us.
they`re laughing all the way to the bank! finally relised our politicians really don`t give a damn as long as their nest remains feathered!
monty python still going strong ha ha
At least this story will anger the masses and help keep the divide and rule situation going. Just remember that those in power set the rules. So who are you going to blame?
They steal our Jobs, houses and Benefits and also use our NHS and now get free Pensions thanks to the Dictators in Brussels. I wonder why our people have to pay into the system for years before we get a Pension ? Damn the EU its not for me.
Worked since I was 15 never claimed benefits.Now told we have no money for my pension at 65.Bitter?of course but if I complain the lefties call me a racist.
I've just come back from a month in the UK. Shocked at how many hotel staff, restaurant staff, shop assistants etc have inadequate English to do their jobs properly and shocked by the deplorable attitudes they have towards customer service and courtesy. Even the drivers I encountered of the famous London cabs were FAR less acquainted of 'The Knowledge' of streets etc than they used to be. Britain, what's happening to you? Whatever it is, stop it now.
People from other Countries including the EU should only be allowed to stay in an EU country if they can support themselves, otherwise they should get no benefits unless paid for by their native country!!! We have been a soft touch for far too long, why else would they want to come here?
It would be wrong to say that there isn't a place for foreign workers here in the UK, I do feel however that tighter restrictions should be in place to ensure that they are adding value to our country. Okay, okay my old mum told me that you shouldn't give to receive but I think allowances could be made in this instance! A shake up is certainly required but I won't hold my breath.
just goes to show immigration does not work,the eu and its rules and rulers are bleeding us dry,there is only one solution thats to leave the eu,now.
Your fault. do something about it
"Polish workers in Britain have sent home £23billion in the past seven years, an official report revealed last night....The study also revealed that ...some 70,000 – are thought to be unemployed. It would mean British taxpayers are forking out some £4.5million a week in unemployment benefit for migrants." Now, when are our idiot politicians and senior business figures who insist that immigration is good for the nation going to wake up and smell the coffee? When are they going to pull their fingers out and re-draft the policy on social security welfare handout payments? As the House of Lords reported in 2008, "Immigration has become highly significant to the UK economy: immigrants comprise 12% of the total workforce—and a much higher proportion in London. However, we have found no evidence for the argument, made by the Government, business and many others, that net immigration—immigration minus emigration—generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population."
Funny how we don't seem to mind when Brits go to work abroad and send money home to their families.
The thing is, it's not entirely the EU's fault... sure they set the conditions but it is the country that actually carries them out - look at other EU countries, Italy, France - they always put their countrymen and women first.
This is unsustainable...
It is better for the indigenous Brit to move overseas and leave Dave to carry on Gordon's legacy of bringing in exported labour. How come employers can hire cheap labour whilst the country has the most expensive MP's going? Why can't we have Polish MP's and a PM that will work better for half the wages?
not just the poles who send money home instead of spending it in the uk,most immigrants do exactly the same, no matter what country they come from.
Its too late for uk to come out of EU.But they should do so the earliest possible.
We have a government that incapable of saying NO! Just like Blair and co. Never ever do they listen to the people of this country. Just bring them all in and then just send all our hard earned to every othe country. But never do they give it to us.
Are these the same Polish people who the DM faithful laud about their hard work ethic as opposed to the lazy Brit scroungesr who won't take low paid jobs? Seems to me that £4.5million is a (relatively) small percentage of £3 billion so I assume that these people worked bloody hard in uncomfortable conditions to earn their money, Its their money folks, and indicates to me that apart from the work ethic they also have a strong family ethic. Makes one proud to be British! eh?
At least the majority of the Polish work, and work hard, what they do with their money is their business. They also integrate. Other nationalities do not, work or integrate, and have no intention of ever doing either. Although to be fair, the Rumanians have integrated well into our prisons and they have created many jobs, store dtectives, security camera fitters etc. The interpreters needed for the courts, police stations and benefit offices, so maybe they are good for us after all.
Oh Joy !!! Now let me cast my mind back - what was it Liebour said? Oh yes - immigration is good for the UK !!! So Eastern European countries are, in fact, building their economies on the back of the UK - yep that is real good for the UK economy. We need to get out of the madness that is the EU !! So sick of this and as a lifelong Tory voter I am seriously considering giving my vote to somebody who will LISTEN to the people of the UK come the next GE
This we already know, what we dont know is what our useless politicians intend to do about it. Same as usual I expect, a big fat NOTHING !..
More proof that Blair just signed the rights away to this country ...... and totally opposite to the policies to other E.U. countries ( like Germany stated above )... Does that not seem strange...... It does look like Blair tried to make the U.K. the destination for a huge percentage of foreign workers and assylum seekers... I just wonder why our head of state would do that. Knowing the huge financial cost it would be to this country........ Still, it must have been the correct financial thing to do for this country .... . Look how many properties he has purchased scinse he stepped down
Thank you Labour,job well done!
Last year the EU blocked Romania and Bulgaria from joining its passport-free travel zone due to crime fears.....Daily Mail.......... What passport free zone? I have to carry my passport every time I want to travel anywhere at all in the EU.......Why?????...Are the Brits under different EU Legislation?
Many of us now look back and view the Blair/Brown years as almost a terrorist attack on its own people-the saturating of Britain with eastern europeans et al being part of that attack.Hence I now have no respect,or patriotism, left for the country I was born in.
It is surely time to try the politicians who created this situation for treason?
We should be paying British people to do the work so that they in turn pay British taxes and more importantly then spend their income on goods, services, food etc here in the UK. By an amazing co-incidence, we wouldn't be needing to pay these same British people benefits because there isn't work. With only 40% of our trade being with the EU, that means the other 60% is with the rest of the world. Therefore, the benefits from leaving the EU and hence stopping immigrant workers and hence money leaving the UK will outweigh any perceived loss of trade from the EU.
What on earth is everyone complaining about? I have just returned from a prolonged visit to the UK and if 17% of poles living in the UK are living on benefits surely all they are doing is following the excellent examples sent by the local population who seem to be similarly inclined.
The UK is being bled dry by its membership of the EU. Until and unless it leaves it will go from bad to bloody disastrous. If you really care for your children's future, VOTE UKIP. Any other vote is wasted.
What on earth is everyone complaining about? I have just returned from a prolonged visit to the UK and if 17% of poles living in the UK are living on benefits surely all they are doing is following the excellent examples sent by the local population who seem to be similarly inclined.
And how many Brits are lined up in Poland claiming benefits??? I have both hands up and all fingers stretched out? It's an abuse of the British taxpayers and those complete idiots in the last Labour government allowed this abuse to happen.
UKIP here I come!!!!
WONDER WHAT RED ED WILL SAY ABOUT HIS PARTIES ACTIONS THAT ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN? Denmark has the right idea..no job...go home.....Brussels...get lost with your opinions. This is a big mess and the EU utopia never had any idea how to address the migration...and people will move to the best places with the highest benefits. Only the clowns in utopia land in the Brussels cannot see what is happening....but why would they care...they have safe jobs and well paid gravy trains....
that's how they manage to send so much money home, because whilst here we pay for everything for them, child benefit for children they left in Poland--even though they CHOSE to leave them, council tax benefit, tax credits etc what a joke
Well now we can all see why we need to get out of the E.U., Can anyone tell me in all honesty if since we have been in the E.U. it has made there life better, Because it has done nothing for me. I want my right as an ENGLISH MAN to have a vote on getting out of the E.U. and end the right for all those with out any rights to be here kicked out A.S.A.P.
You cannot blame these people really when you have an idiotic goverment shelling out more taxpayer's money than other EU countries. The welfare system was never intended to support people from other countries.It was supposed to be safety net for British people who genuinely needed financial assistance due to disability or losing their job. It is now totally abused by many home grown tax cheats and immigrants who in most cases have no right to make claims on our benefit system as they have contributed nothing. When is this goverment or any other goverment going to put a stop to this parasitic madness?
Why is it that in most of the other EU member countries any migrant workers have to pay into the system for a certain time period before a\ny benefits are paid to them or their families. Also why or how is it possible for any migrant to come to this country and claim straight away and send home these benefits to a family which is not in the UK. Why is the blame being put on the EU regulations when it is the UK Government rules that allow this to happen and empty our benefit system coffers.
To highlight to those who compare foreign workers 'positive work attitude', compared to UK workers: " Average incomes in Romania are 28 per cent of those in Western Europe " It is obviously attractive to earn more money in W.Europe. If temporary workers for 3, months... 3 years, are offered HALF the average UK wage, that is still almost TWICE the wages in their home country. Many people are willing/able to temporarily economise, sharing accommodation etc., so a cheaper workforce exists due to countries unequal economies. However, the unemployed UK workers who are 'unwilling' to work for such low wages, being unable to afford mortgage, rent, council tax, and all usual living costs, will still require pension/healthcare in future. So, being deprived of work by large-scale inter-country political agreements, simply causes more UK financial problems in future. Others will have to pay. Those who made the (short-term) rules/decisions will be long gone. 'What a can of worms!'
That's not the end of the story by any means. We have hundreds of thousands enter here permanently every year from Asia, and Africa.
my friend remarked that no one should blame these people for scrounging off the state because it is not their fault, it is the fault of the government and eu! the government for having such lax laws and the eu for being the eu! if we all could get away with it we would do the same! i guess there is something in that theory. it is about time that a referendum was taken whether we should leave the eu! what exactly do we gain for being in this union? nothing as far as i am concerned. i feel that most of us here in the uk would vote overwhelmingly to quit! i wish this government would have the guts to take this step!
Can you Adam and Eve it? What a bunch of absolute pratts of the first order we have had running the UK for the last fifty years. More interested in what they could make than the economic position of the country.
And those of us who work overseas send billions back to the UK - so what is your point
There are 300,000 French people living in the London area alone and I don't see articles like this written about them.
Since this insane ruling that from now on, they can claim benefits as soon as they arrive in the UK, you may find that most of the population of Eastern Europe will flock to your small island.
politicians are deaf to what the general public think or want .they don't care about the welfare of the british unless its election time. its the big business people who have there ear ,and cheap labour rules.
But the political 'elite' will insist they are good for our economy. I'm pretty sure I read such heights of idiocy as paying them unemployment benefit even once they've returned home and child benefits even if they've no kids living here. I've nothing against the Polish, but it is about time we said enough is enough.
Does anyone remeber a time, when we didnt need people to sort out rubbish, its no wonder rubbish collection is like it is, and cost as much as it does. That said no reason people cant come here to work, and once they have earned their money they can do with it as we do the money we have earnt, as long as they are legal and paying all taxes we have no right to judge.
It was Tony Blair who said we need their skills,but it appears their skills are in claiming benefits.
I run a letting agency in Northampton and have a number of eastern european tenants; the vast majority of whom are intelligent and hard working. They have always had high standards, but when they first came here were limited to where they could live and work for various socioeconomic reasons. More recently they are renting premium houses, not for multiple occupation, but to settle and start families. Migrant workers who came here years ago with skills and a good education from back home took menial jobs in factories knowing that in time they would be able to work up the ladder. Many of them now earn over £30k as shift supervisors etc and most do £20k just doing regular warehouse work. They were biding their time and to some extent playing to our tune, so we only have ourselves to blame for allowing it to flourish. THEY knew what would happen over time, WE had our heads in the sand/(clouds!). As for sending money back; the Indians and Africans have been doing it for decades.
Bring it on, the more the the better, when our money hs gone maybe we can live in their country, what goes around come around..?
If wife does not work because of kids does not make her to be unemployed and on benefits. So be careful jumping to conclusions with this 18%.
This is the the tip of it, the numbers are the known amounts only and this will go on as the UK government cant or hasn't got the guts to sort it out. The UK is the joke of the world the number one destination for any one looking for an easy ride and benefits. Until that changes it will continue to deteriorate. When will someone stand up and say enough is enough and lets change it.
Time for a reforendum - should we stay in the EU Time for a reforendum - but no party will do that because they fear the consequenses. If the general vote is to get out how do they make that happen. No one listens to the people.
The Polish did not make the rules - it was Nu£ieBore who flooded the UK with immigrants and put in place legislation that ensured anyone living in the EU could have free access to Britain and the generous benefits and free health care - even though they had not contributed one penny to the once proud and great Britain. The future looks very bleak indeed for the hard-working UK taxpayer.
Pensioners in Australia who have worked in UK for most of their adult lives are paid a small amount each month.These people don't even work and get a pension which they then send home to their relatives in Poland. Something not right here. Give them vouchers for shopping, rent and utilities not cash.
Britain should take note of the Spanish welfare state. It's almost impossible to claim anything even for Spanish people.
Cameron's Britain...... give our cash away....... any which way he can! We want leadership not Father Christmas!
Cameron's Britain...... give our cash away....... any which way he can! We want leadership not Father Christmas!
And after working all my life and paying tax and NI into the system, I am denied a cost of living increase on my pension. The Government discriminates against me because I choose to live in Thailand. I pay for my own garbage collection; security; medical expenses. All this whilst the British pound has fallen 40% in value against a third world country's currency. The government is risking an influx of old people returning to place a heavy burden on the benefit system.
Pensioners are struggling to cope with the pittance they get after working hard and paying taxes all their lives, and yet the system can dole out £4.5million of taxpayers money every week in unemployment benefit for migrants. If anyone deserves to riot in that country the down trodden pensioners do.
We are being bled dry, aided and abated by successive Governments who have been and contine to be the immigrants best friends, while the enemy to the majority of ordinary, strugglng UK taxpayers.
These people are really good for the economy aren't they !!!!!!!!!
How good to know the Poles are getting 4.5 m a week in free benefits, to which they have not paid in all their lives, ex pat pensioners will lose the winter fuel allowance next year, the Warm Front grant is being phased out replaced by a refund on heating bills of £120 next March, so all the immigrant pensioners and their families will receive their freebies ,while British pensioners who have left this country(,after paying tax, VAT etc all their lives) mainly for health reasons get yet another cut, glad to be going anyway.
Whose fault is it that our businesses prefer employing hard-working well-educated English-speaking Poles to our lazy, badly-educated people? - Answer: 50 years of chronically bad idealistic government.
They need to go home first and then us british people need to fill the jobs and attend on time, not phone in sick, and deliver. But the later will never happen. That is why companies are employing migrant workers. full stoip
So now its the Poles turn to get a bashing. The economy is all their fault obviously. ..Well no, it isnt. When as a newspaper is the DM going to get its act together and start reporting on the real cause of our economic and social woes - the government, its corporate fat cat allies, and its corrupt theiving bone idle parasitic politicians and assorted motley bunch of vastly overpaid uncivil servants? Leave the Poles alone. They are not the bad guys.
Still think allowing these migrant workers in to the uk is a good idea? None of this money gets reinvested in the UK - so our economy loses the benefit of it
Welcome to the funny Farm
Taxpayers are just going to love this. This country is at odds with credibility.
Imagine an island of about 100,000 sq miles a few hours away by plane where the minimum wage is £45 per hour. You could go there, live cheap in multiple occupancy lodgings, work hard for a few years, save or send some money back to your country and return home extremely well off. You're even given child benefit worth £140 in your country which you're free to send home. The government of this country can do, and does, nothing to protect the rights of its citizens who are stuck with their nation's sky high cost of living if they want even a reasonable standard of living. You'd go to work there and so would I, don't blame the Poles etc, blame your government, THEY'RE the ones with the power and THEY'RE the ones who allowed this to happen.
Thats 234 million yearly in benefits, whats really annoying, and the DM failed to mention is that I brought this subject up 3 months ago, in another article, and no one took notice, in fact I was shouted down, but image what 23 billion could do for our economy, our local shops would earn more, so would our stores, the economy is 23 billion short. Why do you think Poland did not suffer a recession? Next, how much benefit are we entitled to in Poland, ready... Nothing!!!! The Benefit situation in Poland is dire, they do not have enough to pay pensions. Poland is pulling our currency out, and killing our own industry as they smile. I wrote a letter to Nigel Farage about this topic months ago, it was ignored. The Government is bought and paid for.We are but canon fodder...
Oh how very proud you must be.....Mr Blair, Mr Brown, Mr Clegg and Mr Cameron. You are all as bad as each other - YOU ALL SIMPLY REFUSE TO LISTEN TO US!!!!! Please stop this madness now!
why is this alllowed to happen . why are we still in the EU why do we still have this goverment . I want my country back
You couldnt make this stuff up could you ? Country is run by Idiots , wheres the brains gone ohh i forgot Labour ran us out , and looks like this clown is just as stupid as the other lot, so think i will stay here , where its warm and cheaper to live..safe and sunny most the time..
The British taxpayers money is just being given away in Benefits to people who have never paid a penny into the system, when will Mr Cameron or one of his cabinet speak up and do something about it, but there again nothing will be done for a few months as they are on another long holiday,no wonder the country is going down the pan, we are told the cutbacks are going to be tough I wonder why could it have anything to do with our crazy benefits system.
I don't understand why the British taxpayer is paying all this money out in benefits...it doesn't happen in France and I believe that they are part of the EU"!!!!!
wel done UK....you never learn,from the rest of EU.......
Secede from the dysfunctional EU. Problem solved. They need us far more than we need them.
where does it all end... we should be out of the EU .. money should stay in the uK, TO boost our economy not sent out.... Until we sort out this mess, we will never ever prosper..
It is time the playing field was levelled. Make a European wide benfits system so that no one country is more attractive than any other. I myself am an immigrant, UK living in Spain. I get 4 months dole (70% wage) per year worked up to the maximum 2 years benefits. No housing benefit and after 2 years, that is it. How can the UK be one of the very few which offers benefit as a lifestyle choice? I am so glad I left the UK when I did as the thought of my taxes paying for detritis to not work would have given me an ulcer!
Why do we not only pay benefits the are reprisal to our people getting and receiving the same benefits in the country that we either visit or work, why do we pay for translators when we are abroad when we have to pay, why do I feel ripped off, why do I feel cheated, why do I feel nobody cares
This proves without doubt that the claim of "immigration is good for the British economy" is, and always has been, a lie. The Con-Lib-Lab politicians are deliberately trying to bankrupt Britain and destroy the economy, so that we have no choice against becoming a poor territory of the EU.
Send them home with their pay packets.
They have cost us £23 Billion, at least, and people will still vote for the LibLabCon, who want to stay in the EU.
This money could have gone some way to keeping our 'home grown' elderly and vulnerable warm, safe and well fed. Until 'we' all have the school of our choice, a job, a hospital bed when needed, a decent house to live in and a good place for our elderly, if they need it, to spend their days in comfort .......... until then, we don't have room or money for anybody else.
As long as they come to work and obey the laws of the land, no problem. For others who do not work or are involved in crime, go home you are not wanted. We have enough home bred ones here.
i don't understand this argument of 'if you don't vote you can't complain' its a pathetic point of view repeated by dumb unthinking people, because by taking part in this system you are giving it credence thus propping it up. UKIP will never be allowed to get elected and those that voted lib/lab/con have no right to complain - tarkan , mustafa, 01/10/2011 14:44++++++You forgot to include my name but this is your bit above. If you have one system and no other, you use the system you have to try to change things, the alternative is, well, you will never change things because you have no other system. By doing nothing, which you are advocating you are being lazy and hoping a miracle will happen to put things right. Your view and your lack of voting is pathetic, lazy and negative, yes with people like you there will be no change. And yes those of us who want changes for the better will fight to get UKIP into power.
Joing the EU was the biggest mistake the Brits have ever made and is the end of Britain. Thank goodness they kept the pound. I worked and lived in England during late 90's and felt perfectly safe, went all over alone, and never had a problem. Two years ago I was back again and was afraid most of the time. I did not go out much at night as it wasn't safe. Your country is unrecognizable. You should wave good-bye to the Eu, kick out all who are not UK citizens, and slam your borders shut to anyone who cannot prove they aren't coming there to glom on to the whole benefits scheme. Your country has been taken over by undesirables coming to destroy your way of life.GET OUT OF THE EU WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE !
I don't think there is a swindle regarding the e - petition as the DExpress is trying to get the nealy 1 million on there petition included and if you sign the one on the governments website it invalides the DE signature.
I blame your negativity too, people were deceived by LibLabCon before, but now they know about the EU's hold over the UK and have it in their power to vote for the party to get us out, UKIP. Not voting lets LibLabCon back in, and if you don't vote you have no right to complain afterwards, as you did nothing to stop it happening! Not voting is just what the EU wants, an end to democracy! the EU ignores democracy, ask the dutch french and irish people. i don't understand this argument of 'if you don't vote you can't complain' its a pathetic point of view repeated by dumb unthinking people, because by taking part in this system you are giving it credence thus propping it up. UKIP will never be allowed to get elected and those that voted lib/lab/con have no right to complain
i think there may be a huge swindle in regards to the E-petition on the eu, (thats what it looks like to me 33k they are having a laugh!!
when you factor in what we gave to the banks, military spending, general government wastage and the royal family, if pails into insignificance what we give to people on benefits. besides if brussels supersedes westminster then whats the point in voting, it makes a mockery of our democracy and by taking part you've encouraged it to happen. ironically if we had an election tomorrow one of lib/lab/con would be elected and it would be business as usual with brussels deciding our laws. i blame the public, the british electorate. - tarkan , mustafa, 1/10/2011 12:53*******I blame your negativity too, people were deceived by LibLabCon before, but now they know about the EU's hold over the UK and have it in their power to vote for the party to get us out, UKIP. Not voting lets LibLabCon back in, and if you don't vote you have no right to complain afterwards, as you did nothing to stop it happening! Not voting is just what the EU wants, an end to democracy!
Well untill the population of this country actually stand together as one on an issue such as this nothing will change. We can all moan as much as we like or sign whatever petition weare asked to....but still nothing will change. We need direct action, to show en-mass what we really want. Cameron has already said he wont hold a referundum on the subject and his expliation why is because" they dont know whats good for them" Come on UK lets start taking this thing seriously...even the Americans are doing in with Occupy Wall Street - which the mainstream media are being embarressingly quiet about
when you factor in what we gave to the banks, military spending, general government wastage and the royal family, if pails into insignificance what we give to people on benefits. besides if brussels supersedes westminster then whats the point in voting, it makes a mockery of our democracy and by taking part you've encouraged it to happen. ironically if we had an election tomorrow one of lib/lab/con would be elected and it would be business as usual with brussels deciding our laws. i blame the public, the british electorate.
I vote we exist the EU, immediately. - Val, Aberystwyth, 1/10/2011 3:20 Oh Val.....we all know what you meant to say and the majority of us fully agree with you! The EU farce now showing to packed audiences......UK exit stage right.
According to the Downing Street e-petition website....only 33k want Britain to leave the EU ! Are these figures for real ? - JanetC, England, 01/10/2011 07:40 Of course that 33k figure is nonsensical! Someone is having a laugh there I would reckon. My guess is that another UK wide EU Membership referendum would produce a decisive "Up yours....Bye Bye Brussels! " result.
According to the Downing Street e-petition website, 78k want finance education to be part of the school curriculum but only 33k want Britain to leave the EU ! Are these figures for real ? Is everyone signing the anti-EU petition following it up with the confirmation e-mail acceptance ? Are we really not that bothered ? Are the figures being manipulated by government ? - Howard, Commune de London, EUSSR., 30/9/2011 23:16++++++Being that MEP Nikki Sinclair collected over 100,0000 on her own, I would imagine the person in Downing Street dealing with the e-petitions can't count!
Well folks. Now you can tote up the cost / benefit ration and outcome for being connected to the EU. We know by now (or at least we should know by now) that the political establishment is only concerned about personal income and lifefstyle - not about the long-term benefits of wise policy. The UK is on a downward spiral and its hard to see how they will ever come out of it. At some stage the way you are going over there, the welfare bill will get so massive that the whole economy will collapse.
I vote we exist the EU, immediately.
Europe has given Britain two months to scrap its policies which prevent benefit tourists claiming billions of pounds in handouts. THIS could be the final nail in the coffin ! UK must now ask the EU for terms to leave the EU within 2 months of a binding referendum. The British public MUST flood their MP's offices with letters. e-mails, visits or telephone calls. Just think of the panic in Ireland, Greece & Portugal, surely they would beg us to stay & help pay their debts. Cameron of course would want to stay in & be sub-serviant to Germany & France. Therfore at least we could demand (dictgate) new terms !! Howard, Commune de London, EUSSR., 30/9/2011 . The UK gov't know that the figures are pure lies. I would suggest that over 60% of voters would opt to leave the EU. Our EU MP's have failoed us. They are simply on the gravy train and do not intend to gett off.
One MASSIVE benefit of being in the EU is it provides a break on all UK governments trying to water down social provision that helps the poorer in our society keep their heads above water. This is more vital now than ever before since the bankers in The City have stolen all our money. We have rights and protections as EU citizens that the Tory Party in particular would like to erase.
Explain to the EU that JSA of £67 per week might pay the food bill if you are on a diet but it is not worth emigrating for.
What I am wondering is: What are the MPs getting for keeping us in the EU, when we can all see that the EU is a scam? - Miss Springdip, Derby, 30/9/2011 21:41 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very good question Miss Springdip. A very quick answer is that it's an intermediate step to a single world government, alias 'New World Order'. Most of the politicians mouth the words, but unfortunately so fewnow have the intellectual capacity to understand the words. Not your fault really. You can attribute it to processed food, fluoridated water, a deficiency of good nutrients, vaccines, x-rays, radiation, aspartame, MSG, pharmeceuticals, lack of exercise, not enough sunshine (too many chemicals on your body), and lack of vitamin D3 supplement. There's much more, but at least you can see it's not your fault - it's down to the people you trust and the financial greed of most Corporations. The answer lies within your own hands. However, if you ask me I'm guided by the wise words of Thomas Jefferson.
According to the Downing Street e-petition website, 78k want finance education to be part of the school curriculum but only 33k want Britain to leave the EU ! Are these figures for real ? Is everyone signing the anti-EU petition following it up with the confirmation e-mail acceptance ? Are we really not that bothered ? Are the figures being manipulated by government ?
Let them take us to court and tell them YOU CANT GET BLOOD OUT OF A STONE. WE NEED A REFERENDUM NOW.
The EU wants migrants to be treated the same as British citizens - the only solution then is to drastically overhaul the benefits system so that our citizens cannot claim benefits either under certain conditions. In France Brits cannot sign on and claim so easily - but then neither can the French, they don't hand out money there like they do here and so British people living there are in effect treated the same as the French in not being granted access to benefits. Do the same here - just change the system so that it is harder for EVERYONE to claim, then those migrants will have to wear it and the EU busybodies will have nothing to moan about.
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,..... a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ABOLISH IT, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." These words of THOMAS JEFFERSON are even more appropriate TODAY.
good grief! this is absurd. we are already the dumping ground of europe, if not the world. get out of the eu. close our borders to all but the genuinely desperate and send all illegals home immediately. great britain is not and never has been a charity for the worlds freeloaders, even though it abused in this way.
Quickest way to a race war I think. Its time to completely change the benefits system full stop. If you don't pay in you don't get out and that includes child benefit.
What I am wondering is: What are the MPs getting for keeping us in the EU, when we can all see that the EU is a scam?
Clive Burghard, Southern England. Overlooking The English Channel., 30/9/2011 20:39----- Folks, Clive sounds a little confused! - It was Tory PM Ted Heath who signed the UK up the common market which was the forerunner of the e.u and he did this without asking the British people, the rest is history as they say...(!)
UP yours EU. Dave I want my referendum or else you're out next time
UP yours EU. Dave I want my referendum or else you're out next time
For %&&^%&$$***)(*_)*&%&* sake get us out of this mad house, whilst we still have some remnants of a country left. - D. Hounsome, Auckland New Zealand,*******************since when have the EU been involved in New Zealand??
.Again I will say it plainly, if the UK left the EU tomorrow we would still be up to our eyeballs in homemade problems, they are caused by our own politicians and they hide behind the EU whilst lining their own pockets ( eg:Blair and co). It will surprise you to know that I'm not a blind EU supporter, I too hate all the waste and money thrown at Brussels, but I'm not such an IDIOT to believe all the propaganda regarding the EU, our Government know that the EU are powerless to force anything on the UK that it doesn't want, but they don't want you to know that or they'll loose their Whipping Boy - lynda, *************************Too true Lynda, but DM readers don't want to hear this.This country's problems come out of Westminster not Brussels.
For %&&^%&$$***)(*_)*&%&* sake get us out of this mad house, whilst we still have some remnants of a country left.
We should just ignore them just like all the other s do. who are they anyway? we did not vote to be ruled by them
Can I go to Spain and do the same thing? - june, bedworth uk,**********YES you can. - lynda, yorks, ****** Lynda you clearly have no idea what you`re talking about it, in Spain you have to have been working there for six months before being able to claim benefits, in Germany you have to have been working for one year before being able to claim Abeitzlosengeld - skint, broken Britain, ************** Include Cyprus, we had a lovely business, got done over, couldn't get anything from the state even though we had been there 12mths, had to get my mum to pay for us to come back here to start again - not on benefits!! Anon, Somewhere,******But Lynda is right, in Spain or Germany you receive unemployment benefit on the same terms as it's own citizens. An EU citizen coming to UK gets UB on UK's terms.Is it the EU's fault that the UK Government makes it so easy for anyone ( including UK's work shy) to get UB? And Anon, ex Cyprus, weren't you insured, why should any state bail you out?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent to join the EU !
I think this is more than enough reason to finally say goodbye to the EU. Time for us to leave and watch it implode under the weight of its financial mess and overblown rules and dictates.
Cameron is a traitor, a snake oil salesman. You can tell when he's lying, his lips move!
How about a petition demanding the queen disolves parliament? - sionicymru, llanfaityncedewain cymru, 30/9/2011 16:53 Brilliant Idea. "Come on DM" the Express did an EU referendum. Throw the gloves on the table and run this petition. Time is of the essence,do not forget they are importing votes at the speed of light. This government has committed treason. The Queen can be asked to disolve parliament. This is what she is there for. To protect her country and subjects against invasion.
Amazing the UK still think they can do what they want, but we the Europeans tell the soft Brits what to do. - Susan, France, 30/9/2011 8:52.................................Hey, Susie! Did you ever wonder why God, in His infinite wisdom, did not choose to make Frenchmen in the image of Englishmen? Here's a clue for you: "When I warned [the French] that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet: 'In three weeks, England will have her neck wrung like a chicken.' Some chicken; some neck." Small wonder that we British never take any notice of what you French say - that's why you French are 'Europeans' and we British are 'The British'...and we have not spoken yet!.
To qualify for the EU commission and "Justice Dept you must prove that you are a raving nutcase. (Imbecility is not enough)
NO ...NO...NO... We must stop this madness now. Either stand up to these EU Fools now or get us out of this Ridiculous organisation.
Can I go to Spain and do the same thing? - june, bedworth uk, 30/9/2011 **************************************YES you can. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 11:44 Lynda you clearly have no idea what you`re talking about it, in Spain you have to have been working there for six months before being able to claim benefits, in Germany you have to have been working for one year before being able to claim Abeitzlosengeld (unemployment benefit). Do you want me to carry on? - skint, broken Britain, 30/9/2011 19:18 ************** Include Cyprus, we had a lovely business, got done over, couldn't get anything from the state even though we had been there 12mths, had to get my mum to pay for us to come back here to start again - not on benefits!!
WHERE ARE MY HUMAN RIGHTS FOR BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT EU BULL_ _ _ _ AT MY EXPENSE WHEN I DONT WANT IT?? UKIP VOTER
UKIP would stop this madness in it's tracks unlike the useless LibLabCon brigade.
Why doesn't the DM publish the names and photos of the nameless Brussels bureaucrats who regularly make these stupid pronouncements?
"I have heard a rumour the Nigel Farage is briefing his team for us to hold a nationwide referendum paid by UKIP!!! HOORAY!! HOORAY!! - JB, Luto

if indeed this is true, get over to the UKIP website, and email them offering donations. If you can only afford a quid, then only give a quid. Every little helps. I'm going to suggest a they set a up 'paypal donate' button on their site dedicated to contributions towards a referendum. I'll be one of the first to chip in."
The problem is not our membership of the EU. The problem is that Britain's laws allow for benefits to paid to anyone under any circumstances. Most EU countries have two things to prevent system abuse:- 1. A minimum contribution period in order to qualify for unemployment benefits. 2. A maximum period for which benefits can be paid. Tighten up British laws and the benefits system will sort itself.
"Cameron has already lied to us over the referendum - diane, coalville

Here we go again. NO HE DID NOT. He promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty if it had not been signed by the time the Tories came to power. GORDON BROWN signed it long before the election date was even announced.

So how could he nold a referendum on signing a treaty if it's already been signed into law? He couldnt. So no lies, and no broken promise."
Why don' t the government get the people to vote on whether WE want to stay in Europe or not? I should add that ONLY people born in the UK should be eligible to vote.
"Very little on the BBC about this topic,much more time devoted to the weather, and bet your boots MPs and government will avoid this subject if they can!...""and here's the piece of paper"" ......... - manyatrueword, silly suffolk - - - And you wont either. On this morning's BBC news, they did the usual review of the papers. The guy held up a front page, and talked about a small story bottom right. THIS was the main story, and they completely ignored it.

Dont forget, the BBC has contracts to supply services to the EU. In all EU contracts, and pension propvision, there are loyalty clauses. These clauses state that anything deemed anti-EU, or detrimental to the EU, and its end of contract. Other media organisations also have contracts with the EU. Its the EU's way of locking out anything anti-EU. Why do you think UKIP only get token coverage?"
If anyone doubted the leadership of UKIP's Nigel Farage to get us out of this monstrous EU, they should look at You Tube - 'Wake up to the misery you're inflicting on millions' Watch it to the end he makes the President of the Eurogroup, Jean-Claude Juncker, admit to telling porkie pies!!!
sign the epetition on directgov website ASAP and tell everyone you know to sign too Demand a referendum on EU memebership, sign the one with 32,000 signatures only SPREAD THE WORD
I hate that we are still in the Eu
Let me tell all the readers why we will never be given the opportunity to vote on leaving the EU, it's because all our MP's will be trying to get in as MEP's to get their snouts in the trough they do not give a toss about the ordinary man in the street as long as they can line their own pockets.
You've either got scrap the benefit system or get britian out of the EU, but it won't make any difference as Cameron has already lied to us over the referendum
If this ever happens there WILL be rioting on the streets of every town in this country! BE WARNED. - Annie, staffordshire, 30/09/2011 16:54 Sorry Annie, but this will never, ever happen! The government know this as do the EU. The people have been neutered.
Can I go to Spain and do the same thing? - june, bedworth uk, 30/9/2011 **************************************YES you can. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 11:44 Lynda you clearly have no idea what you`re talking about it, in Spain you have to have been working there for six months before being able to claim benefits, in Germany you have to have been working for one year before being able to claim Abeitzlosengeld (unemployment benefit). Do you want me to carry on?
Lynda, yorks, Get your head out from up your **** and see things for how they really are, IDIOT! - PW, Solihull, UK, ***********Nothing less than I expected,time and time again anyone who tries to put forward reasonable arguments to discuss are insulted by the small amount of people who seem incapable of looking at things from all angles and only think that their opinion is the right one.Again I will say it plainly, if the UK left the EU tomorrow we would still be up to our eyeballs in homemade problems, they are caused by our own politicians and they hide behind the EU whilst lining their own pockets ( eg:Blair and co). It will surprise you to know that I'm not a blind EU supporter, I too hate all the waste and money thrown at Brussels, but I'm not such an IDIOT to believe all the propaganda regarding the EU, our Government know that the EU are powerless to force anything on the UK that it doesn't want, but they don't want you to know that or they'll loose their Whipping Boy
Of course the EU wants us to do as we are told. That way we can take the brunt of benefits payouts, and thus reduce the drain on THEIR resources. For to long now this country has been assisting the EU economy with our benefits and NHS. Now in view of whats happening world wide we must, for the time being at least, look after our own.
Unless you are prepared to vote UKIP, there is no point moaning.
Why can't the UK government send the complete benefit bill (housing, job seekers, medical etc.) to the origin country of the claimant?
Time to get out of the EU, NOW!!!!
the masters want zero unemployment in europe , thats why they are using us has the eu dustbin at our expence .
I will now say what the Cameron and Clegg should say to the EU and European Court, but won't. It is a simple message. "What part of no don't you understand?"
So, let me get this right. I can just turn up in France or Germany and claim benefits yes?
Whe oh when will we get a government who will stand up to these EU dictators - better still will pull us out of the EU.
It is so simple - we will never get rid of our EU membership all the time we have a Lab/Lib/ Con government. And will you vote for UKIP next time? The current opinion polls suggest not. The Daily Express has supported its readers in a move to secure a referendum, Why does the Mail not do so.? No good just complaining in this column - get out and do something, if you want out !
I'm interested as to how the EU can enforce this in the UK, when you can not claim in countries such as Spain until you have paid INTO their welfare system for six months. Nobody, not even the Spanish can claim unemployment unless they have paid INTO the system for six months and getting medical aid as an expat requires a payment of some 470 euros per person per month in the Valencian region. Still the EU doesn't seem to be addressing these so I guess it must be within EU regulations. I'd like to see how the benefits systems work in Greece, France and eastern european countries as they don't seem to have to pay anybody and everybody that arrives on the door step.
I feel I have betrayed my country by voting Conservative at the last election. The future looks truly dreadful for our children and grandchildren in this stinking country, and Cameron and his cronies don't care.
Very little on the BBC about this topic,much more time devoted to the weather, and bet your boots MPs and government will avoid this subject if they can!..."and here's the piece of paper" .........
Another stupid EU decision. Most people in the uk have had enough of the EU. It's time for us to say goodbye to the stupidity of the EU before it's too late.
have heard a rumour the Nigel Farage is briefing his team for us to hold a nationwide referendum paid by UKIP!!! HOORAY!! HOORAY!! - JB, Luton, 30/9/2011 17:53 =======Brilliant, I would happily contribute towards the cost of this, as I think most decent people who want to retain OUR heritage would..... Why should we give our money to just ANYONE who arrives here? That is basically what the EU are now telling us to do!! Will Germany & France give the same treatment to all EU migrants heading to their country? No, as other posters have stated, it just doesn't happen!!
Folks, save your breath complaining about EU membership. As Cameron's advisor pointed out just the other day, the idea of leaving the EU is an illusion. That's true for any of the three main parties but particularly of the Conservatives. Their big business puppet masters want us in so it doesn't matter a jot what the rest of us think. You must have realised by now that when the money men say "jump" the Tories will only ever ask "how high?"
And what will the people of the UK do about this? NOTHING! Put up or shut up people of the UK, your becoming an embarrassment.
HM Government on such issues will talk tough, snort in outrage, paw the ground and then roll over and capitulate completely to EU demands. We will hear the usual weasel words on how "good a deal for Britain" they have negotiated but the capitulation as usual will be complete They have always done so in the past and this time will be no different
Could someone inform me, please ? Just how much can these 'Benefits Tourists' claim from us tax-payers - not having contributed, or ever likely to contribute, a penny towards the British exchequer, of course ? I'll bet that they are able to claim (when ALL the benefits they are 'entitled' to claim is added up) several times more than a British pensioner who has paid his/her taxes and National Insurance all their lives. There's now no choice for me other than to vote U.K.I.P. for the rest of my life. For God's sake lets get out of the E.U. Its far too costly and humiliating to be bossed by unelected bureaucrats.
follow Germany in there rules , this is beyond a joke ................
What's betting that when they come into the UK that they will live 6 - 8 to a house so that they only pay a fraction towards the rent, then they will send the rest back home every month to their families so that they can live like lords. You better believe it. - Jim, Derbyshire, UK, 30/9/2011 17:28 ======== Jim, they won't likely pay ANY rent because they often don't work, and come here to claim benefits not to do a days hard yakker! If they don't speak English, how will the bulk of them get a job? Or, if they do, will they 'declare' it to the DWP? They are teams of form fillers just waiting for the planes to land to help these spongers. That would be the first thing I would scrap if I had a chance to govern this country. These 'do-gooders' should be helping our OAP's and the disabled get their due, not some scronger from elswhere. ======== Throw away the welcome mat Mr Cameron, we cannot afford these people - why do the EU's rules only appear to apply to the UK??
11 am, Saturday, 15th October, 2011 at your local war memorial for a peaceful rally to protest EU control and unfettered immigration. If you are not happy you need to say so and if millions say so the government will listen or a British Spring will follow. Maybe UKIP will oblige to coordinate such a Rally for us. - Real Istbear, Brighton UK, 30/9/2011 11:32 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just in case your comment has not been read by the UKIP or any of its members, maybe you can email them your suggestion as it is a damn fine one and I heartily approve. The sooner we get OUR country back the better for our childrens future..
What do the un ions think about this then? Shouldn't they doing something as it will effect the life of everyone here & more cuts will be needed to fund it. Funny they seem quiet in eu issues? Are they for it then?
The people of pension age,coming in having paid nothing, not even VAT. will get the new pension rate ,while others born here, paid taxes, will be means tested for pension credit, there should be a one off offer, pay us to leave and we will go to another E U country, knowing we will not get these free benefits,just glad to get out of this madhouse.
It doesn't matter how much this all costs, the politicians will just keep taking more from us, for example the delayed pitiful state pension will become even more delayed and even more pitiful. Coming to a cinema near you - 'The Land that Sanity Forgot'.
I thought that they could already claim benefits by 'selling' the magazine sold by all the Romas in London now. As I understand it they then become self employed and as their earnings are below their needs they can then claim income support and all the other benefits that go with it.
I heard somewhere it is legal for the queen to disolve parliament if it goes against the wellbeing of Great Britain and the British public ,Maybe we as her British subjects should petition the Queen direct ,let us become a democracy yet again ,the EU are obviously anti-British and are trying too water down our rights ,the MPs are in their pockets and looking too their future and not ours .We will not get a government that works for us and only us ,i still say a revolution is going to be the only answer unfortunatley ,when your own government refuses too listen too the public with an obvious overall majority of people saying NO to the EU ,NO too more Immigration ,NO too MP expenses ,NO too Bank bonuses (when we own them) ,the least we need and desreve is a referendum ON the EU and if we want too join ,and NO we dont want too keep on voting until they get a yes vote .
Nigel give us that referendum we love you!!! REFERENDUM UKIP FOREVER!! UKIP are giving us an independent referendum vote UKIP cos they dont lie!
There are 2 simple solutions to this - either leave the EU and benefit immensely from keeping the excessive 'Membersip' fees we to repair our finances or reduce our social benefits to that of the average EU country level. Take your choice. Either way the squeals from the Guardianistas will be a joy to hear.
Once again, the DM invites comments, and they are NOT supposed to be moderaterated..... and once again, they ARE...... who are you trying to kid DM?? My comment said similar to other posters, but once again, no sign of it!! Why say 'your comment will be posted shortly' if you don't intend to do that??
How is it that this law is not being forced on Germany - BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T STAND FOR IT.
We hobbits need Gandalf because there's something afoot!
Germany requires five years of residence and tax paying before any Brit could get benefits. Why do we British allow the EU to tread all over us. WE NEED A SAVIOUR
I have heard a rumour the Nigel Farage is briefing his team for us to hold a nationwide referendum paid by UKIP!!! HOORAY!! HOORAY!!
........Green arrow me if you want us to quit the EU........
This country has gone to the dogs, we are outsiders in our own country and at the back of the queue for everything. We are white, English, trace our ancestry back to the 1800s in the UK and worked for 40 years. Husband made redundant 4 years ago and because I work part time, we can't claim anything. I can't work full time due to helping out my elderly father who is not ill enough to get care allowance. Fortunately I have an understanding husband who is still doing his best to get a job...Only problem is that all the factory work were we live is filled by Polish, Eastern Europeans. The British have to settle for temp work while the Polish are taken on permanently. UKIP is this country's only hope.
This violates our human rights.
Attention: It is time that the policy makers and wealthy open their gated communities and allow these illegals into their own communities. It's time for them to let them live side by side with them, and give from their own pockets and tables, since they demand it of everyone else. Oh wait, I forgot, the wealthy are hidden away and never have to deal with real life situations, do they? That's just for the masses, eh?
Strange how Brussels and our own goverment ignore the needs of our own pensioners. Complete strangers can come to our shores and collect more per week in benefits then our pensioners can in a month. When they ask for an increase they are told there isn't enough money in the kitty. Well we know where iys all going, perhaps one day it will be stopped but I wouldn't hold ones breath.
Lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 16:55 Get your head out from up your **** and see things for how they really are, IDIOT!
I have a suggestion for the EU: how about ordering the UK to pay benefits to those Britons who have worked for decades, but are denied this when they lose their jobs? Or do these rights only apply to people who are not British citizens? PUT BRITISH PEOPLE FIRST!
What's betting that when they come into the UK that they will live 6 - 8 to a house so that they only pay a fraction towards the rent, then they will send the rest back home every month to their families so that they can live like lords. You better believe it.
I am claiming benefits/working in country A, I will be better off claiming benefits in country B, what will I do? Is that to difficult for the EUSSR to work out?
I agree UKIP do something as put on here why not call a referendum and you pay for it! Whats wrong with that? At least UKIP will then be giving us whatt we want a referendum. The more votes the harder the governemnt will be able to ignore. COME ON UKIP
...Even the writers of 'Yes Prime Minister' could not have thought this is up!! We are not going to leave the EU anyday soon .......so.... lets give BRUSSELS..2 years paid leave WITH BONUSES!!!!! It would make life a lot easier for us AND THINK OF THE MONEY WE WOULD SAVE!!!!!!
I strongly suspect the reason we aren't allowed a referendum on the EU is because the government know full well what the result would be.
The petition for a 100,000 was handed in recently, the Express took another petition for 375,000 to Downing Street back at the beginning of the year.
I hope Cameron doesn't give in to this order and then blame the EU-loving Lib Dems. He seems to think he can cave in to anything the EU wants, including the hated Human Rights Act, using the Lib Dems as his excuse for not acting in our country's interests. It's time he stood up to the EU and the Lib Dems; his poll ratings would soar!
Anyone for a peaceful march to Westminster to show feelings?
I feel more riots are imminent !!!
start a petition - if it's not already started" - about UK leaving the EU. It will be discussed in the Parliament, and hopefully for the ones who wish so, a referendum will take place to see if Britain should stay or leave the European Union - simpels. Until then - treat all european citizens as european citizens, and not second hand citizens good to do your cheap labour so you can enjoy cheap prices - imperialism at it's worse I say
UKIP GIVE US A COMMISSIONED REFERENDUM!! But I doubt they will they are in the EU trough!! Simple proposition commission a referendum, prove you are on our side. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
A petition with 100,000 signatures has already been handed in to 10 Downing street, nearly 3 weeks ago(I think). - Pete Harrison, Almeria, Spain, 30/9/2011 15:01......................Wow you are right Pete, I have to confess I didn't know about this. Why didn't we know about this Dail Mail? Maybe because it's a petition by the D. Express. Pah! On an issue where our country is at stake I would expect the DM to put aside it's predjuices towards another newspaper. You have let us down, why couldn't you run it as a bipartisan issue! Google Nikki Sinclaire EU petition to read all about it...........and let's keep the pressure up guy's.
OMG. Take a look at that picture; would you really want these people to live next door to you? If these same laws apply in other mainland countries then why are they all so keen to come here. Could it be that the rest of Europe agrees these laws and then fails to implement them? - Patricia. Jarrow, Tyne and Wear _________________________________________________________________ Patricia, I suspect they are thinking Britain is just a little closer to the US & Canada where they think the streets are paved with gold & life is a lot easier & nothing could be further from the truth. Americans are intolerant of migrants & Cdns. increasingly so. There is no gold here & very few benefits but that message hasn't gotten through yet. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this problem.
Our servicemen and women who fought and gave their lives in WW1 and WW11 must be spinning in their graves at the EU dictates. What about British self determination? britexpat
So, more scroungers for UK tax payers to pay for. MEANWHILE UK Pensioners who have paid into the system all their working lives will be left to shivver in the cold winter because their pension is not high enough so they have a choice, eat or heat! This government makes out they dont have enough money to pay our pensions on time, so they raise the pension age. Their excuse is that we are in debt!! Yet they have enough money to pay BENEFITS to these people and they have NEVER paid into the UK tax system!!! What a joke!!
As the EU President admitted, the Lisbon Treaty was DELIBERATELY written so that no-one would be able to read it. Different parts of one paragraph were strewn throughout the document. I wonder how many of our illustrious EU 'leaders' actually manage to read and keep up with the literally thousands of EU 'laws' that are belched out each week. The French don't seem to give a toss, nor do the Italians. The EU itself says they are only 'guidelines', so why is the UK falling over itself to comply with all their rubbish? The EU itself is the single biggest problem and economic calamity facing Europe today. No-one except the exceptionally rich ever wanted a united Europe - we have all fought & had family members DIE to FREE our countries from both German, French and Soviet dictatorship. These EU dictators know nothing of our values and way of life, nor do they respect anyone else's opinions other than their own.This is NOT what Europeans want. A very costly white elephant indeed.
What will they do if we say get stuffed? really, what can they do except kick us out of the EU after we don't pay their fine. Glorious freedom.
When the money runs out then what? print more money so the pound becomes worthless currency.
we are a soveriegn state and cannot be told to change laws only guided but this dictat suits the politicians as they will say not us guv its the pesky E U lobby any other E U country you go to YOU have to adhere to there laws we are the only mugs to do as instructed by them because it suits the idiots in charge of us and absolves them from any blame
Could those living in other European countries please let me know what (if any) benefits are available in those countries for immigrants (EU and non-EU)?
Well folks I'm still waiting for someone to come up with just one DM EU story that has been implemented and changed your way of life for the worse on a personal level. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 16:25===========Cuts to our police, fire service and local government because of the annual net £6 billion we have to give to the EU. How's that for starters?
- lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 16:25 _______________________________ Would you believe this story if the BBC was also displaying it online??? Well it is !! You are the type of Brit that buries their head in the sand but will be the biggest whinger when it fina
Well folks I'm still waiting for someone to come up with just one DM EU story that has been implemented and changed your way of life for the worse on a personal level. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 16:25 _______________________________ Next time you or someone close to you needs hospital treatment but can't have it because it's too expensive, you'll be delighted, I'm sure, that the money went to the EU instead............ - (Old) Robert, Worcester UK************Sorry but here we go again, no facts. What are you saying, the EU is to blame for the shortcomings in the NHS? The problems of the NHS are more complex than blaming them on lack of money due to our contribution to the EU, I should know, I work in it.And I must add that up to now none of my relatives or friends have been denied treatment, and I'm sorry if any of yours have, but blame the UK Government, even if we left the EU they wouldn't plow the money into the NHS or the armed forces just into more MP perks.
If this ever happens there WILL be rioting on the streets of every town in this country! BE WARNED.
Me thinks the European Spring is not far away :-)
Let's hear it from Mr. Cameron. We've heard him on plastic bags, now let's have his pronouncement on this issue, albeit it's of somewhat less importance - merely sovereignty. We already have millions in and coming into the country who are not earning, spending or contributing, but sending billions back to their place of origin. It is disgraceful. In this country a King was executed because he got above himself - it's time to do the same to the EU. This is not about withholding benefit, it's about giving it juduciously ( which is aleady in some doubt) and not being politically cuckolded. No taxation without representation - where are our representatives? Our taxes have to be put to good use -supporting feckless benefits tourists is not good use.
How about a petition demanding the queen disolves parliament?
When are we going to leave this bureaucratic organization, started as a Common Market and now way out of control. Bet you can't claim benefits in the other member countries, we are just a soft touch!!
If they can claim as soon as they get here, Why can't WE claim in their home countries? . . . . . I moved to France with my invalid sister and we could not claim one cent. . . . The UK government had to pay her benefits and health care. . . . We had to come back because the pound had dropped so low that we could not afford to live there anymore.
Why don't we do what the French do..? If a rule from Brussels doesn't work for them, they basically stick two fingers up and ignore it. What are they going to do.... Expel us? We should be so lucky.
I suppose Clegg has had a voice in this just give our tax payers money to everyone who holds their grubby hands out--out of work -ill -homeless-no money-no clothes-no teeth don't you worry good old Britain will give you all you need--don't want to live in a high rise block no problem just shout loud enough and we will find you a really nice mansion in Hampstead, or you can wait for a family to either go shopping or on holiday and you can enter their home as squatters ruin the home and stay there until a judge makes his mind up if you can move back into your home because these squatters have Human Rights you know, thousands of people are now out of work here because of the mess the Labour Party got the country in, cuts here, cuts there, what i want to know is how much money and medical help would i get in their countries, why do we have to pay for medical insurance when we travel if everyone coming here gets it for FREE Britain gone bonkers you bet it has.
JUST WHEN YOU THINK IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE...... IT DOES...HAS EVERYBODY FORGOTTEN ..WE ARE A SMALL ISLAND!...SO THIS IS THE REAL ....'HEIR TO BLAIR'...... WHAT AN INHERITANCE!!!!!!!!
I must add, although I know I'll be red arrowed the minute you see that I'm not chanting "out of Europe" but here goes.Looking at my life over say the past 10 years and how things have changed for the better or worse, I'm not badly done to. I have a lifestyle and opportunities that my parents( both WW2 veterans) could not have imagined possible when I was born.Now if I wasn't daft enough to come onto this site and read the DM EU scare stories would I be aware of any of them? No, because I can't think of any one of them that has changed my life one way or the other.I see many problems in this country and look back on a series of governments who have brought them about, and of course they, and the press they control, have a really good cop-out, blame the EU, they'll all fall for it. All I'm saying is perhaps your hatred of the EU should be aimed nearer to home where we could make a difference and get this country back on it's feet again.
Employment Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said the move threatened to break the 'vital link' which should exist between taxpayers and their own government.........SHOULD.
We are under attack!!!
OMG. Take a look at that picture; would you really want these people to live next door to you? If these same laws apply in other mainland countries then why ae they all so keen to come here. Could it be that the rest of Europe agrees these laws and then fails to implement them?
I will say it again what will happen is for example countries like Greece will just tell there young to leave go and find work in the UK if no work then claim welfare payments in the UK for X number of years, this will reduce OUR welfare budget and increase the UK's Simples , we will then over shoot our borrowing, loose our triple A rating and more Austerity, its a no win situation I am afraid. Please Osborne do something and get us out before our shores are full.
What part of "In Europe but not RUN by Europe" doesn't Mr Cameron understand? Oh that's right, the tail's wagging the dog; Mr Clegg's running the show now. As long as the Left dominate this coalition (what an utter disgrace - in a country where every damn study shows people are moving more to the right in their views), I cannot see anything changing. Especially since the only ones who have had to compromise in this wretched coalition are the Tories, to the point of moving to the left of Neil Kinnock!
If the government don't ignore this stupidity then there will be almighty trouble on the streets from the tax paying public when all the low lifes of Eastern European society start turning up demanding all an d sundry in benmefits plus unlimited legal aid. Some Eastern Europeans will be encouraged by their respective governments to come to mug UK.
Well folks I'm still waiting for someone to come up with just one DM EU story that has been implemented and changed your way of life for the worse on a personal level. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 16:25 _______________________________ Next time you or someone close to you needs hospital treatment but can't have it because it's too expensive, you'll be delighted, I'm sure, that the money went to the EU instead............
When that monstrosity in the Rue Wiertz, Brussels, is on fire, you will hear how loud Britons can cheer...............
How many times have the Germans and French flouted EU rules, and when they do nothing happens. - Andrew Rutley, *********************************Your're right, how many times?? Bet you can't give me one example, these sort of comments are brought out every time DM run an EU story and non of them are based on fact. Can't you lot see how the DM are winding you all up and every time you fall for it.Think of all the DM stories of "EU proposals and laws" over the last couple of years and give me one example of one that has actually been implemented. I'm fed up of all UK's problems being blamed on the EU, we have real HOMEMADE problems that we should be sorting out first, but of course it's always easier to blame someone else. - lynda, yorks, 30/9/2011 ********Well folks I'm still waiting for someone to come up with just one DM EU story that has been implemented and changed your way of life for the worse on a personal level.
what a load of rubbish. i have lived in spain years and you have to work before you can recieve anything here!!. your all being brain washed in the u.k. don't throw your money away it's very hard to come by
Too right Billy Webfoot.Who is in charge of these lefties in Denmark....Step forward a KINOCKIO. Yes the boyo from the valleys who try as he might couldn't become PM here now has a far leftwing daughter-in-law who is now PM of Denmark. You couldn't make it up.Still, with any luck the multi-millionaire Welsh windbag and his wife might move there.,Having made millions out of Euroland. This was the man who as supposed to clean up Europe.As fro Denmark why was it so difficult to go and live there if they are in the EU???
People can´t come to Spain and claim benefits unless they have worked here for 5 years. Then it is 6 months full benefit and then another 6 months on half and then even less for another 6 months and then back to work or nothing.
Sorry cathy in watford - wrongly red arrowed you, big fingers but too little arrows!
As a once advocate of joining the market,then it was a must . Now its gone too far Lets leave. Its going to go belly up in the near future with its daft rules and insolvent members. So lets leave with some cash in the bank and start anew.
The EC are nothing but incompetent, blundering thieves. The sooner we get rid of them, the better.
Why is the government so gutless that it will not stand up to these ridiculous EU bureaucrats?
They are not migrants they are fellow EU citizens. What is the problem here? Embrace the fantastic reciprocal benefit that UK nationals have freedom of movement throughout the Union and when necessary social security benefits that are in many jurisdictions more beneficial than that paid in the UK. I despair at what poor Europeans many Britons are. Appreciate the advantages people!
NOT IF ALL THE TAXPAYERS COME OUT ON STRIKE!!!!!!
Time to ditch this very expensive club and start to look after our own, why should we pay for the rest of Europe, I never voted to be in it in the first place, I was too young, but if you had a referendum now then you can bet I'll vote to leve it. God even the euro is shaky, bet were all glad we kept the pound now.
Not a single day passes where some new disasterous EU policy is imposed on us. What amazes me most is how the British just keep bending over time and again for Brussels to shaft 'em some more!
First we get Barosa saying the way to solve Europe's problem is a more integration and a closer union (what a joke that is), and now this nonsense. I am really starting to think that this entire so-called crisis has been deliberately orchestrated for the precise purpose of creating a truly federal Europe where every member gives up sovereignty to become little more than a state with little or no independent rights. It is truly disturbing what is going on. Our elected representatives (not including Europe, obviously) are either blind to it, or are complicit in it. Both are equally terrifying.
The truth is that the monsters in Brussells will tax us into oblivion to pay for all this. Surely most sensible people can see what is happening to our beloved island. Todays politicians are just self serving arrogant Britain haters. I have said this many times on this post, that we must vote UKIP at the next G.Election or stand and watch Britain eaten up, just like an antibody eats a bacteria. Are you listening people.....the answer is in your hands. Vote UKIP at all elections whilst we still have them.
Who the hell do these unelected people think they are. For god sake get us out of the EU NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They already get around this by claiming to be self-employed,selling the big issue and they then get all the benefits.I asked Duncan Smith about this months ago but have never had a reply.Make no mistake about it, this government will give in on this,even though it was Blair who agreed to it.
UK is the EU dumping ground. Who in their right mind voted to turn this country into a refugee camp? Try the culprits responsible for treason!
Yet another example of the COMMON PURPOSE subversives undermining and attacking every facet of British society by allowing the continual flow of this flotsam and trash into the country.
The only way the EU can get its own way is if we let it. I support this Government wholeheartedly if it ignores this ruling. I am sick of these little jobsworths in the EU Parliament imposing things on us that are so pathetically stupid.
Seriously if the government called a referendum now on the EU and got us out of Brussels, I can guarantee unless they did something completely idiotic would be in contention for a second term in office because this is something that we the public want so badly and once we scarp Euro laws we can sort immigration out, tougher crime (human rights), and give this country a bit of backbone! (Personally i find a Union Jack much more attractive than an EU one anyway!)
The answer to this is simple all Cameron has to do is tell the European Commision TELL IT TO SOME WHO CARES end of.
Take lessons from Denmark - they manage to skirt EU laws when it comes to all aspects for immigration.- me , here, 30/9/2011 15:45................... Not for long they wont, Denmark have just voted in a left wing government which has promised to throw the immigration doors wide open. Those poor souls are in for a dose of what we have had for the last 13 years, god help em.
No need to "fight it tooth and nail" - just say NO. Then wait a couple of years for a ruling from the Court of Justice, then say NO again. It could go on for years!
The camel's knees are buckling and her back is breaking - the result of the final straw. Time for intervention by the RSPCA or possibly some decisive action from our almost universally supine masters in Parliament.
This is exactly the kind of EU-inspired masochism the British keep voting for! If you don't like it, vote UKIP next time. Simplez...doh
EU - They think we have 'Mug ' written across our foreheads!! Get out - get out now!
Please get us out of this crock of the proverbial. Could any UK MP not in receipt of EU monies, please tell us where it is of the slightest benefit to the people of this country to be ruled by the unelected marxists of europe, and if they can assure us of its benefit tell us why we need them in Westminster! After all whats the difference between being made into paupers by european idiots or the UK variety, do we need to pay for the pleasure twice?
the sooner this country is on its knees the better..Although we cannot be far away from that scenario now.That statement is based on the real truth of the state our economy is truly in, knowing the way the ordinary man is lied to constantly by those in power it may be the money is still pouring into the goverment coffers. Seeing the way each day brings revelations of how our taxes are thrown to all and sundry ARE WE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH. As said previously the only way with any justice for the common man is to see the country on its kneesforcing us all onto the streets to rid ourselves of the traitorswe vote in year after year who ignore every decent and sensible suggestion from the electorate who can see where our country is heading..IF ONLY...Vote for none of them
Vote for U.K.I.P OR B.N.P. and put a end to this nonesence
This is just about the last straw, if this futile goverment and Cameron do not stand up against this then they might just as well hand over the whole government to the European Government and let them rule from over there. Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg where are your backbones? You promise the earth and deliver a molehill. Stop this take over bid now and get out of the EU. Listen to your country's people for once. It will also save us millions of pounds as well. WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
The time has come to deselect every Member of Parliament who is not fully committed to dumping the EU, and arresting for Treason, every person invloved.
here in Spain, which is also part of the EU, you have to work and pay NI for at least 3 years before you receive Any kind of benefits. So if its good enough for Spain ( and I also believe France has the same set up) then WHY is the UK different. Stick two fingers up to the EU and get out of it.
Take lessons from Denmark - they manage to skirt EU laws when it comes to all aspects for immigration.
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-) - PeterInExile, Auckland and LA, 30/9/2011 Skilled migrant visa's in hand and flights to Chc booked for November! Can't wait to escape!
Ian Duncan Smith.......10 out of 10......For stating the bleeding obvious!
How many times? LEAVE THE WORTHLESS EU NOW!
It's a breach of OUR human rights here in the UK that we the electorate don't get to vote directly on whether we stay in the EU and what benefits we allow OUR governments to pay out . As I have said before, I am not against helping others, but there has to be a limit. We can't be responsible for keeping afloat every country within the EU. It's preposterous and the UK is being blatantly bullied and bled dry by the EU monsters. I would love to meet these idiots face to face and give them a piece of my mind. I have just come back from France (had to save up for five years for a short holiday) and coming home here you can really see how overcrowded this country has become. I work just outside of Bradford, which has become littered on every corner with hand car washes set up by every nationality you can think of. The centre of Bradford just isn't worth speaking about. People from the UK whom you meet abroad all say the same thing - how much they hate what has happened to Britain.
'Europe has given Britain two months to scrap its policies which prevent benefit tourists claiming billions of pounds in handouts' Two months to leave the EU by the sound of it.
Every minister in the EU (PIIGS) Spain, Greece, Italy, Ireland and Greece, say go to the UK they will pay you welfare benefits, this will reduce our welfare payments and help our Austerity measures. UK Increase in UK welfare payments. Does not take rocket science to work this one out does it ? Cameron get us out of this hell hole of a place called the EU now.
Let's have a referendum on it.
The thing that makes me laugh is what if any penalty can the EU pose if they actually find our government guilty of defying their ruling that was made without reference to the UK populus who fund the benefit system. A fine - and what happend if we dont pay it? Nothing unless the EU is planning to actually declare real war on us they have no ammo at all. If we just ognored their rulings like France and Germany and Italy do and only apply the ones that benefit us then this would be no news at all - but for some reason our govt apply every tiny ruling.
If they are allowed to claim then I give up! this country is finished. Think I'll move away in a year or so to somewhere less soft.
The UK should then take every member country to court to force them to MATCH the benefits system and then you will see many will stay in their own country. If that doesn't work then leave the EU........with fingers stuck up.....naturally!!!
when is the queen going to seize power from parliament and save her subjects?
people on benefits will have to do unpaid work. the government will make them do community work or charity work. you might as well commit crime if you are going to do community work lol
Referendum now to get out of EU Cameron will never be voted in again unless he does what the people want I have voted Conservative all my life but if no referendum I will vote for UKIP
and here am I feeling awful ,trying to get disibility living allowance, when I am really ill with a crippling disease which will only get worse, yet I have paid my tax and insurance for 40 years. !!
I thing we should send what's left of our airforce to destroy the EU parliament. It doesn't represent the people of this country in any way.
our goverment really need to get a back bone and understand that the british taxpayer DONT want to be paying for people who aren't english and who come into our country and get everything they need without having to work a single day for it, the goverment need to realise taxpayers DONT want to pay for these people and that they shouldnt have to. Their just going to lose all confidence in the british people. Their a disapointment! i cant understand how this makes sense to them.
If our politicians don't put a stop to this, then they can expext civil disobedience on a grand scale in this country, we the taxpayers are getting fed up with all these stupid diktats from Brussels, and I noticed that if I go over to Belgium or any other country in the EU, I cannot claim any benefits for one year, so Mr Cameron, what are you going to do about this, and if you value your job you had better tell Brussels where to get off, and GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!
Immigration weakens the vote against leaving the EU, would you vote for a party that wants you to go back home, no!!!! This is just another method of removing our country from us!!!
time to vote ourselves out of the EU.... it's on the route to collapse anyway, come on Cameron, let us voice our opinion on this bureacratical nonsense!
Stand up to them and ignore all threats from EU. Let us see what they can do, if they threten to throw us out of EU than so be it.This policy is not universal in the Euro zone as Spain and few other countries have different criteion for benefit claimants. Why are they picking on UK. Our politicians are not strong enough to challenge EU rulings which are against our interest. Please more action than talk from our leading politicians.
Can I go anywhere in the EU and claim benefits now then? can I go to Spain and immediately get benefits and housing allowance? or is it only the UK that has so much money they can invite millions of scroungers in? If so I am fed up with paying tax!!! I work so hard for all I earn - a pittance under 10,000 a year.
How is this allowed, I live in Spain and if I don't have money to pay my way there are no handouts, how does the UK have to pay immigrants but not Spain all part of the EU.
I have no problem with this providing the benifits can be recharged to the migrants country of origin.
did you know that alot of the eastern eu immagrants who come over here to work go back home for a month so that they won't be classed has british residents so that they can claim tax back !
I wonder if the government check the comments here, silly question really! they must see absolutely what the people want, and then choose to ignore it; arrogance at its best! A few EU/Gov stooges comment on here though, putting a spanner in the works, they do prove they have a bit of a sense of humour, so nice to practice red arrows on, whilst having a giggle at them. For all Gov people watching, as you can see, we are mostly voting UKIP next time, so you will be out on your earholes! Up the EU without a paddle! All the good people here could apply to UKIP to be a candidate if they haven't one in their area. Think about it!! LibLabCon out, out, out!!! (unless Cameron comes to his senses and gets us out of the EU in the meantime, won't happen though!)
Can we know what rules apply and how are they administered in the other EU countries? If they are different to ours can we know why this is so?
Europe has done us no favours. We need to escape before the whole damn thing collapses. Anyway, the rest of Europe don't even like the Brits as they have inferiority complex.
i'm moving to australia in the next couple of months to join the rest of my family. I have had to pay nearly £2000 for a remaining relative visa, then i have to have a $5000 bond of assurance and i won't be able to claim benefits for 2 years. I also have to have a full medical check to ensure i'm healthy enough to go and won't be a drain on their health system. Why hasn't the UK introduced something like this?
There's one easy answer to all this benefits tourism and fraud - stop paying benefits.
It time all the british people stand up for the rights of our own country and the the values we fought for in the last world wars. We never voted to be in europe. We should tell the EC to naff off.
Give the EU an Ultimatum Get your accounts signed off or we will leave the EU and just ignore all the demands they try and make the UK apply to none UK citizens We have not had a referendum on even being a member of EU so have not agreed to be taken over and become part of the United States of Europe Time for Cameron to show who runs the UK or let someone else take over
A petition with 100,000 signatures has already been handed in to 10 Downing street, nearly 3 weeks ago(I think). Signatures were collected by a junior MP. Maybe thatnks way nothing has been mentioned about it. The politician who collected the signtures said she did so, so old people how do not have a computer would also ahev a voice. Maybe the Govts way around this is because it wasn't e-mails, so doesn't count. Just like all these new changes to the Lisborn agreement are not changes, just tidying up actions. So no Referendum required.
....................**************** "All you people saying that we should leave the EU should sign the Downing Street e-petition which is unbelievably 'stuck' at just over 32,000 signatories.****************" Maybe just maybe all the other 11,000,000 people signed the petition to stay in the EU.......... Now i know why my hallway carpet is so worn........Lets just blow up the internet and get back to reality - .................LITTLE ME.............., THE CUPBOARD UNDER THE STAIRS,10 DOWNING I have just signed the petition.
The UK pays its citizens generous benefits to cover every conceivable misfortune whether employed or otherwise. In Spain if you pay into the Social Security system you receive earnings-related unemployment benefit for just six months if thrown out of work and that's it but it doesn't discriminate. The migrants here either brave it out with nationals and live on charity or they go home which is precisely what thousands of Brits of working age have done in recent years. UK can't have it both ways and it will continue to attract welfare spongers until It either cuts the benefits to all or pulls out of EU whereupon it can discriminate in its application of welfare.
Basically, Euro chiefs are saying, head for the UK, don't clog up our cities on the continent. They haven't got anyones interests at heart, only their own.
The problem is that our Prime Minister and his cabinet are a bunch of spineless ,gutless parasites who all tell us they do not agree with the EU, but, are all Europhiles and want GB to be wholly in the EU and also the Euro, they will lie untill they are blue in the face to deny this,but it will happen. The only way out is with a Referendum which they know they will lose, hence why they will not give us one. Next election vote UKIP R.S.Toddington
I dont remember signing up to this.....dont we as taxpayers have a say??? Thing is can you go to country's like india and claim benefits...i dont think so!!!!!! - paula, liverpool, 30/9/2011 14:47===================You'll find that India is not in Europe. .
the government will roll over on its back, and allow the eu to dictate this unjust piece of legislation, wanted a prime minister of britain with guts to stand up for the british people
who will do agriculture work??? instead of imigrants -> nobody UK will kill economic and riots are inevitable
This country is not ours anymore. We have been sold down the river. We British are here to prop up and support other countries and it's been going on for years and years. Money has been drained out of this country for ever it seems, no wonder we have nothing for our own needy.
This appears to solve the problem of world-poverty - everybody goes to Britain and gets benefits - Simples!
Stop blaming gutless politicians - there are politicians who DO have the guts to stop this but YOU don't have the guts to vote for them! As an aside I came out of Sainsburys in Portsmouth this morning to find what appeared to be an Eastern European woman selling the Big Issue! Just what this Country is crying out for - another highly skilled immigrant! God this Country stinks!
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The guys sitting against a wall with carrier bags don't look "European" to me. Anyone and everyone can come here and claim money under the present system. So what's new about this enforcement by the EUSSR? We must stand up and REFUSE to continue being bullied by unelected foreign dictators that seek to wreck our country. Why is it always US that have to obey these destructive laws, don't hear of any other EU nation being given such ultimatums. Holland want out and so do we. Stuff the lot of them, communism is disguise.
Does anybody know what the benefit rules and amounts are in other EU countries? The only way of stopping the EU picking on the UK - and avoid benfit tourists - is for us to have similar benefit rules and the same or lower benefit payments.
I dont remember signing up to this.....dont we as taxpayers have a say??? Thing is can you go to country's like india and claim benefits...i dont think so!!!!!!
if there's a stupid petition for MPs to discuss Hillsborough then why isn't there one on EU membership?
When are the gutless politicians in the UK going to do something about this travesty of justice and common sense? I live in Asia. I can't imagine any country here being so stupid as to open its doors to all and sundry .
Like most things the government allows (does) ... this just 'beyond belief' ...!!!
There used to be a rule that if an EU citizen was here for more than 18months without visible means of support they could be sent back. The snag is, is they are receiving benefits they have means of support. In Spain I believe you have to be there more than 2 years before you get anything. Why not here.
How?? My partner recently moved in with me, and because he has no utility bills or council tax bills in his name the dole say he is classed as homeless and can't claim??!!! How then do the immigrants come over one day and have everything signed up and given them by the end of the week!!! What do they have with their address on???? I also went for a loan on my mortgage but was failed on my credit check so how do the immigrants get loans, mortgages etc when they have no UK credit??? (even the mortgage adviser said the same). Seems to me it is one rule for us and another for them!
The thing is the younger generations like being in the eu they have Been taught that it offers them opportunities, as do the open Borders. They have votes & will vote lab/lib dens who are very pro eu.
Well Little Me I mentioned a criminal that has just got his job back as Commander at Scotland Yard. He has been in prison and is awaiting a re-trial. We are not allowed to comment on the article printed by the DM, wonder why.
What's the point in voting??? We are all wasting our time . why bother with a parliament? What power does it have? If any? We are constantly dictated to by the loony euros. Who actually gave our politicians, permission to join the EU in the first place? I don't ever remember there being a vote for it! It's about time we had a leader with a bit of backbone, rather than the numpties we've had of late. Someone prepared to stop and ask the british public, what they want for a change! Start looking after our OWN For god's sake! Do we have a Prime Minister, or a Deputy for the EU? It needs sorting and fast. Give the EU a swift two fingered salute,and get the hell out. It ain't fit for purpose.
If you seriously want a referendum on our EU membership please post a link to the epetition on any forums you go to and ask people to sign up. Ask those who sign to post the link on other forums they go to (including the request that people who sign post on forums they got to.) If enough people did this it should be easy to get the 100,000 signatures to get the issue publically debated.
Come on DM , For weeks all I have read is how unhappy the people of the UK are . We dont want immigration , we dont want Europe , we dont want self serving politicians and we dont want OOOman rights as they are written now. Do something for the people !!!! please
Another load of EU hogwash. The ELECTED British Paliament is in London !!! Not Brussels. Sue & be damned, how are you going to enfoce it ? Send in some EU 'special forces' or maybe you willl cart us all off to jail, ther are millions of us, in case you hadn't realised.
OUT OUT OUT E U NOW
Just wait until the idiot courts hold that an inability to speak English is a "disability", so they don't need to even look for a job after that.
The rest of Europe,looks to the UK to bail them out, then has the damn cheek to dictate to us about what we pay benefit tourists. I campaigned against entering the Common Market (as it was then). How right I was,so can I please be exempted from paying in to it.
And what happeneds when the money runs out? Do they do a runner too! Leaving the poor British public to pick the flack and try to make ends meet.
When will our thick politicians realise that we don't want to belong to the E.U. Vote for UKIP at the next election.
Steve Lincolnshire, the petition raised by Nikki Sinclair has over 100,000 signatures and has already been taken to No 10. Not that he gives a damn.
The current benefit system is far too generous all round. To receive benefits the claiment should have had the right to reside for at least 5 years, irrespective of their country of origin, and have been paying into the syatem for a minimum of 5 years. The maximum level of benefit(s) claimable should never, when totaled up, be more than the minimum wage irrespective of how many children you claim for. Time to insist on our British Sovereignty and tell the EU that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
OUT....OUT....OUT....OUT....OUT....OUT....OUT ! ! ! ! ! ! !
"The EU has no right to tell us who to pay benefits to. - Liz M, London" - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks to a Sucssesion of Traitorous Prime Ministers & Gullible Voters, i'm Afraid they Do,....E.U. Law Now Over-Rules British Law......! - martin, hampshire, 30/9/2011 12:10 _______________________________________ Not while I still know how to use a rifle.................. - (Old) Robert, Worcester UK, 30/9/2011 13:43.................With you all the way on this one (Old) Robert. Good luck and good hunting.......
is there any point in opposing to this? we all know it's going to happen. the UK will always look after the rest of the world before it's own citizens. this country is a mug to all others.
To be honest it half feels like this ruling is already in place.
Pam what was it ?
.....FOR SUNNYANNIE IN CYPRUS>> 10 out of 10 _
Just wait and see what happens if Turkey get in!
I am very disappointed the DM hadn't the courage to print my last remark.
what is the matter with you brits.so pathetic.get out of europe and be great again.
Thatcher said it best: 'No, no, no!'. Have another listen to her speech (google 'thatcher no no no'). It's chilling how prescient she was. Everything she said has, in fact, come to pass by, indeed, the very party she predicted would pass them. I don't think we should leave the EU (because there are advantages that we'd miss if we did), I just don't think we should pay any attention to all this tosh put about by, in particular, the EC. As another commenter said: 'When you lot abide by EU rulings, so will we.'
So what will the EU do to us if we dont do what they say,take us to court and fine us. How are they going to enforce whatever they decide if we dont abide by thier ruling. Lets leave now and to hell with all the politicians.
Fantastic. if UKIP say then let them walk the walk get us an independent referendum NOW!! I WANT OUT
Question?: Can I go to other EU states and sign on, because I will go and check it out!
Just say no!
Stephen Booth, research director of think-tank Open Europe, said: ‘Freedom of movement within the EU has largely been positive for the UK but issues surrounding benefits and social security are understandably very sensitive. Yeah. apart from the extra strain on housing, schools, the transport system and the NHS. The divisons in society its caused. The billions of pound sent abroad. The lower wages and higher unemployment. Apart from those minor things its been brilliant!! (oh and the several billion we'll now lose in benefits and the anger, resentment and general breakdown in patriotic and civic spirt that will cause).
UKIP give us an indepandent referendum pay for it please!! PLEASE!!!
Ahhh...bless! Classic case of 'not on my doorstep' & 'passing the buck'! Sorry, not our problem & we have enough to sort out here thank-you!
Sometimes, people express the view that all British expats scattered throughout Europe would be kicked out of their respective adopted countries if the UK left the EU. Surprisingly, most of those expats are retirees, so are not taking jobs from the indigenous peoples. Perhaps even more surprisingly, to those of you who think in that way, those self same expats would give up EVERYTHING to get their country back, since the loss of it was the most common reason they left the UK in the first place.
I love the headline. THE EU ORDERS BRITAIN. who the hell are they. And spineless Cameron will probably conform. - Wind in , In the willows, 30/9/2011 13:51==== Of course just call me Dave will conform and comlply, as he wants to have a high paid job in the EU when he gets kicked out of power.
I too am dismayed by the small number of votes that is showing on the epetitions.direct.gov.uk website. Evenso it is up by about 150 votes since earlier this morning. Come on guys please, please vote if you haven't already done so. We can force the government to a vote but we may need to put some effort into it by sending people we know a link .So go to epetitions.direct.co.uk and type EU referendum into the search box - Let's get those numbers up! - Cassie, Surrey, 30/9/2011 13:19...............................You may get fed up reading this but I'm going to keep posting itI'll keep an eye on the number of votes and update you in the comments of other EU articles as well. At 13:18....33,069 At 13:54...33,099.
If this is true, I think we should make a BIG DEAL about it. Really insist it to be outrageous get big debates, strike, and cause pandemonium. Learn from the riots and communicate via bbm. But seriously this is ridiculous.
Daily Mail - Do all the other EU countries pay benefits too? Probably not, the UK is the benefit capital of the world and if this Government dont defend and scrap the issue, then what is the point of a Prime Minister or UK Government when the non-elected quango that is the EU are pulling all the strings.
"IÂ’m really surprised the European Commission has chosen to go into battle on this very sensitive issue" - Why are you surprised? The more migrants come here the less there will be to drain the economies of other member states.
Despite the "huffing & puffing" by messrs Cameron & Osborne, whats the odds that they have the backbone to say "Non", just like a certain french chap used to say to us on many an occassion!!!!
I urge everyone reading this to also sign the epetition - WE MUST GET OUT OF THE EU - NOW. If i went to germany, france or any EU state today, what sort of welcome would we get - certainly not a house and free money on day one.
"He married a german girl simply because there were only german girls around. She wanted to continue living in Germany. To cut a long story short, he visited Britain almost 20 years ago now having served just over ten years in the Army. During his visit he had a dental emergency. No dentist would treat him. He was sent to the local hospital for dental work. At the hospital he was told that he was no longer a British citizen despite holding a British passport." GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT - he would have been told he was no longer a UK RESIDENT - which was perfectly true - out of the UK for 3 months - you aint a resident.
I bet it comes as a shock to alot of posters that migrants arent currently allowed to claim benefits as soon as they arrive. How many headlines in the past(when Labour was in power) have given the impression that immigrants can simply turn up and start claiming straight away.
If a word of truth came out of politicians mouths instead of much needed workers and the country has benefitted from mass migration, tell the EU as it is, this country is dying on its feet every public service is buckling due to overdemand and that Europe will have to help us out and take a few million into their countries, they will soon shut up on demands
KFW, UK, 30/9/2011 5:50 Yea come you guys at UKIP show some B****s or are you just in it for the expenses. Get a Referundum now use some of that EU money you have had..
Get a grip they should just stop wasting money on trying to improve foreign peoples life styles and put more money into paying off the UK debt that all the tax payers have to deal with. Im skinting myself all year trying to earn an honest living and pay my way in life and people get a on plane to the UK and get given everything that iv worked for free of charge. I find this insulting and i am ashamed to live in this corrupt and selfish country.
I'm willing to go on marches to stop our country being given over the EU any further. It's time we stopped immigration completely because we're full up. Offering to give them benefits immediately will encourage even more to sponge off us. I dread to think of the future my two grandchildren are going to have. The much, unjustly maligned Nick Griffin of the BNP is the only one with the courage to say what we think and I shall definitely be voting BNP next time.
Firstly, may I suggest that everyone signs the anti-EU petition. Secondly, I suggest that you all e-mail No 10 and express your anger. With any luck we'll crash the system. Thirdly, anyone who voted for the crawling creatures in the Government...... next time vote UKIP. Basically, put up or shut up!
Long live the Eu - lets get all regulations in line - including health and driving. Why should it be any different here. We aall wanted the benefits of living in Europe, the EU development money etc so why not give up unneccesary nonsense. AAnd by the way its all enforced by your good old fashioned british bobby - gawd bless our police service!
I love the headline. THE EU ORDERS BRITAIN. who the hell are they. And spineless Cameron will probably conform.
YES UKIP give use an Independent Referendum now. Show use you care
'Just looked at the epetitions to get us out of the EU..only 33,000 votes' Sandy, Lancashire. Two more sigantures just added. Come on everyone I know it's just a petition but at least it's something - add your signature please!
Green tick here if you would leave the EU.
Scap the right to reside then. Replace it with right to benefits which I would suggest means that anyone not UK born has to pay into the system for 10 years before being considered for benefits.
no wonder our country is in so much debt i cant go to another country and claim a penny so why is it possible for all others to come her and expect to do so.Its bad enough we give it to our own lay -abouts with out giving it to others if you have not paid into a system how can you expect anything out it just beggers belief but wot the hell when england are in debt crisis maybe there countries well help us out ,dont think so just send them back from were htey come from cos iam sure if we tried it we would be deported back to our country
Anne West Midlands......... Anything with EU in it gets the DM readers going. Its not only the DM readers its the majority of the Country. Because we do not want to be part of the EU, we were promised a referendum on it and never got it, we are sick and tired of the EU and the Rules and Regulations all a bit one sided. we have our own Government for that., and we cant afford it. shall I go on.
A referendum now Cameron. Keep your promise. Get us out of Europe now.
An also more benefits for agency worker here come in tomorrow. Good all roun.
Having lived, worked, paid taxes and Social Security contributions in Spain for nearly thirty years I am now unemployed and unemployable.(I'm 64 years old) My unemployment benefit, not earnings related, will run out before my retirement pension kicks in and it will be stopped. That is the law here - no one can get more than 24 months of benefit - and the length of time depends on your years of contribution. There is no housing benefit, child allowance, tax credits etc. This is not a complaint, I accept these conditions without any problem. However I do have a question. Why does the EU continually target Britain in such cases? No immigrant in Spain would be entitled to benefits until a full year's contributions have been made, and then these would be limited to 4 months.
good!... MAYBE THAT WILL BE THE STRAW THAT BREAKS THE CAMEL'S BACK!...Maybe we will finally get off out collective bums and start giving Tory MPs a hard time... DEMAND they stand down or get RID of Cameron and Clegg!... FORCE this paltry Prime Minister to get on his feet and fight for BRITAIN or get thrown OUT!
Dont think for one moment that we are the only nation suffering this. My closest friends are all European (French, German, Swedish and Spanish) and they all say exactly the same as we do with regards to continued high immigration levels..
I thought it was said that it was wonderful in Poland. Now we know why they all come here. Yes it's time to get out of the EU, but then it's been that way for ages
Didn't get a post through. I likened the EU to "a certain Party in Germany at the time I was born and the world was at war", because although the EU looks as if it is for the ordinary worker, it is just encouraging workers to move, undercutting the workers in the countries they move to - in the name of Europe winning in the global war - whoops! I mean market...!
"The EU has no right to tell us who to pay benefits to. - Liz M, London" - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks to a Sucssesion of Traitorous Prime Ministers & Gullible Voters, i'm Afraid they Do,....E.U. Law Now Over-Rules British Law......! - martin, hampshire, 30/9/2011 12:10 _______________________________________ Not while I still know how to use a rifle..................
A question was asked yesterday..If UKIP care so much and are not like the other parties why do they not organise an INDEPENDENT REFERENDUM. I think its simple or are they men of straw?..who do we trust because the first party that offers this I will vote for and I have been a Conservative all my life even considered to stand as an MP.
Even Open Europe are against it. It's time the truth was faced, the only solution is for Britain to leave the EU.
bea goody, sad, uk, 30/9/2011 13:19 Similar thing happened to my father. He served 24 years in the British Army and when he retired he went to renew his passport and they told him as he was born in Kenya in 1938 he was no longer entitled to a British Citizenship. He ended up going to work for the National Railways of Zimbabwe because he was a highly qualified Radio Tech, and they gave him a passport with his job acceptance. He never bothered to reclaim his British Passport when they offered it to him 8 years later. Sad really he had always been a very patriotic man, but died a Zimbabwean a few years ago in Bulawayo.
Britain has now been formally conquered. What endless wars of conquest against Britain could not accomplish has been accomplished by stealth. The Romans, Germans, French, and Spain could not accomplish this in battle but send in their EU lackeys and see Britain fall down destroyed. Ah for someone with guts and brains in politics to break Britain free of this hideous mess.
The EU is evil beyond belief - what on earth are they trying to do - bring the WHOLE world to live and claim benefits here?
Brussels bureaucrats, What can I say? oh yes, it's down to this kind of mentality that peoples lives are being ruined! OUR lives, we should never have joined the EU in the first place! Now they get to dictate to all of us how we get to spend our money, where we get to live (all the decent housing seems to be getting allocated to incoming immigrants, who don't have a job, and some of them can't even speak English, and are more entitled to benefits than those of us who were born here! It's time we all woke up and said.... ENOUGH! and mean it!
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Thank God I emmigrated. Hre in Canada as an ex-pat we cannot claim anything for anything until we have put in the system for 10 YEARS.Unless you are sick or injured,but hey there is plenty of work an the taxes are way lower.The British people deserve better.The first thing you need is this referendum that you were promised,but those in power are terrified to let you have.After all why would you wan't a say in how you want your own country run??.What the U.K effectively has is an ellected dictactorship,no different to those you see in 3rd wold countries,it's just packaged nicer.It's time the great people of the U.K to push those in power to start doing what they were elected to do,serve the Nation not themselves!!
Even if you pay into the system in Spain they try to stop you from claiming with any excuse. I have witnessed this first hand
Once again the EU are attempting to run this country. If this carries on there will be no country left. Why is that we cannot say that ANYONE coming into this country has to be sponsored and have proof of a job to go to? When they have worked for 3-5 years THEN thay can claim benefits, once they have paid taxes. This country is falling apart because of the feeling that immigrants are taking everything from those born here. I am sick of hearing that they are not immigrants but asylum seekers.. There are jobs out there... get the youngsters of this country working, if they refuse work stop their benefits. Let people retire at 60 and you will have more jobs to fulfill! And people born in this country will be working, paying tax and the NHS and everything else that is paid for by our taxes will be safe. Get out of the EU! What is everyone so scared of? Human rights? What about the rights of the people of this country?
It doesnÂ’t stop at benefits, these spongers are destroying the NHS and a lot of them work for cash in hand while bleeding the country dry. Enough is enough ...... get us out of Europe now!
Why Is the Eu telling the uk what to do ????, I, Like 90% of Brits love the uk for what it is, A beaut place to live and beautiful country side, If people like this Clegg bloke don't like the way it is, and would like to be in "His EU union", Then there are plenty of Ferrys from Dover every day, Why doesn't He get on one ?????, I,ll Pay His fare. Sorry Dave, No Vote next time.
Better still, go to the link HM Government e-petition - 'Britain wants referendum to leave EU' - there are 33,037 signatures already!! I've signed this one also. - Sarah, Wales, 30/9/2011 12:09 ............................... now up to 33,076. Come on everyone - keep on adding those signatures.
uk lover - am sure if you have been living and working, paying taxes and NI contributions that you ARE entitled to benefits.
Nowhere else in Europe can you automatically get benefits so why the hell should we have to fork out for all the Eurotrash scroungers. ell the EU to ger stuffed.
It is time the british people were given the opportunity to vote against Europe.We are getting the dregs from overseas and paying them for the privilege.What advantages would the British get if they were to move to Brussels, not a lot. We should be allowed to choose if we want to be governed from the continent. Our predecessors fought hard and with great loss of life to keep this country free and we should make sure that it stays that way. COME ON DAILY MAIL WHAT ABOUT ONE OF YOUR PETITIONS TO HELP US ALL PERSUADE THE GOVERNMENT TO LISTEN.
How dare they order us about like that, they need to set their own house/s in order first. I trust our Govt tells them "to go to you know where!"
Our OAP's die in the cold... the ill are denied cancer drugs, and our government lets this happen... the E.U is dead, long live the UK.
They could also change the benefit law, here in Spain you don't get ANY benefits unless you have worked . The council houses are few and far between. As for giving any benefits immediately to immigrants , hahahaha, no chance. Unemployent benefits are only given for a maxximum of 2 years , and to get that, you have to have been in full time employment for a good few years
Can't the government find a lady like Margaret Thatcher to fight them with her handbag?
Hahaha - vote UKIP, or prepare for violent revolution.
The EU Court of Justice, yeah they aren't going to be biased in any way.
This whole debacle is getting beyond a joke. It seems anybody can get whatever they want in the UK except those who are UK citizens and have lived abroad for a while, for whatever reasons, and they are the ones that are not allowed to claim even though they may have paid taxes etc into the system in the past. Crazy world.
The European Union is a near Nazi outfit, encouraging workers from European countries to travel to find work, thus undercutting the workers of the countries they go to. This ensures you can keep the price of European products down, and be competitive in the world markets - at the expense of the worker. Dave won't get us out of this, Clegg won't either - and Ed Mills, whose job it should be i.e. defending the worker), is harping on about "doing it my way", forgetting that the next line of the song is "I must face the final curtain! Poor old England.
Is it just me, or is there more to this than meets the eye? I cannot understand why at such a vulnerable time they would issue such an edict. They must know it will cause uproar here. Are they trying to see how far we can be pushed?Either that or they really are bonkers. Having thought about it I think they are just power mad AND bonkers.We want OUT of EU NOW.
Bit rich coming from the countries that just direct these same people from their shores to ours, it is obvious unless arriving by air this country is not the first country of safety but the chosen one, because in all honesty Europe does not tolerate them,just points them in the UKs direction
our government to blame for letting them in the first place without any restriction on numbers. they wanted cheap labour to boost the economy but you can't have it both ways. blame the uk government.$@#+holes
This explains why most other EU countries are bankrupt! We can't afford benefits for our own citizens! Spending cuts everywhere and the EU expect this!
So let me get this right, UK taxpayers bail these defaulting countries but their citizens have to come over here for benefits because we pay the most for longer periods. So all the other UK countries then have less citizens claiming benefits in their own country so they all come out of the recession before us because they haven't been spending so much on benefits to their own citizens because we've had to do that. So why dont we cut the weekly amount of benefits for everyone to make people go to Germany for benefits. Brussels is nothing more than a big bully. WE MUST COME OUT OF THE EU BEFORE THE EU BANKRUPTS US!!!
Can someone let me know the benefits offered in south of France. I fancy going there and sponging off of the French for a while.. What ? Doesn't apply the same in France? Thought EU was about parity. Come to think of it, can I retire at 55 like the Greeks pls.
Tell them not to come then they will get no money stay away form the EU
A lot like Australia's arrangement with the UN. Commonwealth? Bwwhahahahahhah!
If that is the case, then why can I not get ESA? I was a single parent for many years, but always worked either full or part time - now I am with a partner and have had to leave work due to ill health, they have told me I am not entitled to anything because I haven't paid enough NI contributions or tax. As my youngest child is only 12, and NI is supposed to be paid if you claim child benefit, then why am I not entitled and yet immigrants who have paid NOTHING into our system are entitled to benefits.
Its time to close those doors !!!!!
I have lived in Barcelona for several years, in Spain you only get benefits if you have worked a minimum of 6 months if you lose your job after this time you get 6 months of benefits and nothing more, the maximum for those working for more years is 2 years unemployment benefit then nothing. I am moving back to London next year, I miss it terribly despite all the problems, if I need help I have no problem at all asking for it and sincerely hope as a British person I get the same as all the scum bag non British scroungers who have utterly ruined our great country. If I don't get the help I need I will take it up with human rights, well doesn't everyone else???
Come on Dave stop all payments to the EU until this is sorted out. Oh dear me I forgot our banks have so much debt in the EU we would go back to the sad old state of 2008, possibly worse. What right minded person would invest vast amounts of money in a country like Greece or any of the newer countries that have joined. Oh another thing I would consider very careful Dave the raising of the pension age to 66 that's a no no. If the EU wants benefits paid out as soon as an immigrant steps foot in this country then "Spain here I come" not to pay me benefits like for like, will be a violation of my human rights and discrimination. 2 in one. "Jackpot"
Come on Government, you must see, you can't let them do this. For goodness sake see some sense and get us out of the EU. The writing's on the wall you know ...
Only 1 way to resolve this get out of the EU.
Don't just mouth off about it. Vote UKIP and get us out from under the jackboot of the (EU) Fouth Reich.
for the attention of 'Liberality for all, Uk' ....................you are clearly an uneducated fool. I pity you.
What is the point of voting for a govt to run this country All they are doing is giving it away. Time for the people to act & IGNORE any laws passed by EU
A son, born in England, joined the British Army serving time where ever he was posted. In his case, Northern Ireland where he narrowly escaped being blown up by a roadside bomb. Then his Regiment was sent to Germany where he spent most of the time patrolling the then Iron Curtain, the west on one side and the east germans on the other. Eventually his regiment was made redundant. He married a german girl simply because there were only german girls around. She wanted to continue living in Germany. To cut a long story short, he visited Britain almost 20 years ago now having served just over ten years in the Army. During his visit he had a dental emergency. No dentist would treat him. He was sent to the local hospital for dental work. At the hospital he was told that he was no longer a British citizen despite holding a British passport. They told him he that he was regarded as being a german. This contributed to him never returning to Britain again and I have never seen him since.
Just looked at the epetitions to get us out of the EU..only 33,000 votes, I find that unbelievable. What a joke these government sites are when THEY can pick and choose what we can see. The only thing to do is for the DM to start its own petition to get us out of the EU..I'd sign it in a shot. - Sandy, Lancashire, 30/9/2011 11:57.................Yes, I too am dismayed by the small number of votes that is showing on the epetitions.direct.gov.uk website. Evenso it is up by about 150 votes since earlier this morning. Come on guys please, please vote if you haven't already done so. We can force the government to a vote but we may need to put some effort into it by sending people we know a link .So go to epetitions.direct.co.uk and type EU referendum into the search box - Let's get those numbers up!
Everyone should emigrate to Brussels and overload their system so that these unelected bureaucrats will learn what real life is like. I strongly recommend Holland, Belgium and other countries for students to get a good and economic education with languages that you will need to be a success.
I am a british citizen but don't qualify for jobseekers allowance because I haven' paid insurance stamps for the last two years,so I am told.I don't see how people from foreign countries can claim money without having worked and paid insurance stamps for this two year period,or am I discriminated against?I think the other eu countries should be made to live by the same rules with regards to benefits then these immigrants might stay in the countries on the other side of the channel.This would be good news for the UK.
another one of the mistakes Tony Blair's Labour government made... joining the EU!! Never voting for Labour again. He's away making millions whilst we are still paying for his mistakes!
....................**************** "All you people saying that we should leave the EU should sign the Downing Street e-petition which is unbelievably 'stuck' at just over 32,000 signatories.****************" Maybe just maybe all the other 11,000,000 people signed the petition to stay in the EU.......... Now i know why my hallway carpet is so worn........Lets just blow up the internet and get back to reality
I thought that was what the last war was all about to stop those idiots in Europe dictating what we can and can't do, Tell the European rights people to get stuffed, If they want to have them and feed and cloth them then thats thier business.
We are condemned to live forever abroad, because of this test. Retired by now, we would need Pension Credit in UK, as our pensions are small. This means that on going into GB we would have to take the Residence Test and we would fail, having been 10 years abroad. We paid in NI in GB, but GB doesn't want us. Mr Cameron, when we wrote to his office about it, said we should earn our British citizenship... The family has been British citizens for years - thank you Dave. In fact what is happening is that the British Government doesn't uphold their own poor, at the same time lacking the guts to stand up to the EU. A coward's stance!
The UK is not a dictatorship, we should not bow to diktat's from Europe! I for one would like to get out of the EU.
Cameron is not interested in sticking up for us against the EU, his big thing is making us all pay 5p for plastic bags
It seems all we do in Britain is moan about what the Eu is doing to us. They are doing it and its being allowed by this Government and the last one because people will not get off their backsides and protest! They know the most we will do is just write here on the daily mail. Have any of you even thought about writing to your local MP or the Prime minister? Have any of you signed the petition to 'Get out of the EU', of course you haven't. So the EU knows how stupid this Country is and what they can get away with. This will be introduced and we only have ourselves to blame! ITS AN OUTRAGE!! SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Merry olde England is being invaded by a horde once again but this time you are being told to pay each member of this horde while they are on your soil. Stop it now...Britain should remove itself from the EU NOW....Greece, Italy and Spain are going to break the EU in 6 months under thier debt...leave now, use this as a pretext to cut ties with the EU....
All you people saying that we should leave the EU should sign the Downing Street e-petition which is unbelievably 'stuck' at just over 32,000 signatories.
For Blueberry in Kent,,,,,,13.52...........Dont forget yesterdays government statement that 80% of EU financial transactions take place in London.........so where did the EU financial crisis fester ?......Look past what you read in the uk and read reports on other EU member websites as well........ok go with the U.S but look at their plight first.
@'Why would anyone come to the UK specifically to claim benefits? JSA in the UK = £67 per week, JSA in poor old broke Ireland = €188 per week. UK benefits are very low compared to most other western European countries. -@@ Sparky, Dystopia, 30/9/2011 1
This country is sinking under the weight of these useless immigrants, stuff the EU let them take it to court, just ignore the outcome like the rest of the EU members.
I can't believe what the Europeans get away with here!!!..I'm Australian, I live here & work here & pay my taxes. I am not entitled to ANY support nor do I want any. I love my adopted country & I can't wait to be a Citizen. My husband was born in Australia to English parents. He has British Citizenship & even he is NOT allowed any help or support & was out of work for 9 months. We never complained NOR expected help. The Europeans really annoy me. I hope the UK does not have to bow down to this Commission!!
"Anything with EU in the title is going to get D M readers going."- Anne, West Midlands, 30/9/2011 12:51..............................I wonder why?
It's obvious that a Country will now prosper by reducing welfare and exporting their unemployable to socialist/richer countries... How does that help the poor. It will be a race to the bottom in terms of welfare. The other side of this is that with youth unemployment in Spain at 41% this will open the floodgates and will leave millions of unskilled young Brits permanently unemployed. Even for business owners that might benefit from increased immigration - who are they going to sell their products to if the uk middle class salaries are pressured to subsistence levels.
jackie johns, london, 30/9/2011 11:57 Your message wasn't displayed because with un-moderated messages there is a text filter that decides what messages may be too extreme and forbidden. For example 1mmigrants is often a forbidden word, instead you must misspell the forbidden words to get a message through, itÂ’s a case of trial and error. - Mike, London, 30/9/2011 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oh Mike wow and you mean like Assilllum Seakkers get free telllevision lisennses and freeeeeee plasma tellllllevision sets etc etc etc -
Never mind Cameron the EU will let you ban plastic bags. Why are we paying for 650 MPs when they have no power?
They have a right to stay does not mean we should be subsidising the work shy scroungers from other EU countries. If we have to pay them benefits then we should be able to claim that money back from their country as they are the ones saving money by not having to pay it out of their countries budgets.
Close the boarders and dont let any other immigrants in !!!
A source at the DWP added: ‘This could open the doors of the benefits system to anyone from the EU, even if they have no intention of working. How does this person mean COULD.? It already did when the B Liars of the last GOVT opened the doors. Where's the out of EU petition for people to write to?
"......Note all countries have different systems but realitively the same outcome. I am sure most EU citizens feel exactly the same as we do in the UK.- kaz, berkshire, uk, 30/9/2011 11:59------------ No, we don`t all think the same. Every time the European Parliament does it`s flit between Brussels and Strasbourg HUGE amounts of financial benefits accrue to the host countries. The CAP benefits a minority of countries - but not the UK. Remember when huge subsidies were paid for growing olives - then someone spotted Spain claimed for more than was physically capable of being grown there. So they got a subsidy to survey their true acreage!! And remember the Import restrictions in France - when all shipments of video recorders had to pass through one inspection point??? Europe adapts legislation to suit itself whereas British beauracracy ADDS an extra tier or two but to the denigration of the British people. Perhaps we need to start afresh in an "emptied" country!!
TIME TO GO! We cannot continue to afford this ridiculous charade of good governance any longer. Surely now even the Lib Damps will realise we HAVE to get out of the EU
Over a 1000 comments but nobody as put who they voted for last election, so in future can we all be honest and put who you voted for, i will start, BNP as everything they have said down the years as turned out to be true...next please
If the EU wants standardisation, then all Countries within the EU should present incoming people from other countries with the same Benifits that Britain Provide. If they cannot or will not do this then they cannot ecpect Britain to supply them to foreigeners. Either all do it or leave us alone.
First let me state my position, if offered a vote in EU membership I will vote out! Now, it astounds me the number of people commenting who critise Cameron stating he offered a "referendum on the EU". He never at any time made such an offer. What he offered was a vote on the Lisbon Treaty and only if not already enshrined in law. Thats why Brown rushed to sign it to neutralise its effect pre-election. A lot of people seem to have converted that in their mind to a vote on the EU. As stated, if offered a vote on Lisbon I would vote to reverse it and if offered one on overall membership I would vote out! So lets petitioin for that and get 100,000 votes..... where do I sign.
i haved lived in spain for many years and they do not issue any of these benefits to non spanish nationals and also after 6 months they dont get anything. thats why there are so many spanish living on the streets or in caves
at least the people on the photo are pure Eastern Europeans
FOR GOODNESS SAKE - GET US OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! After working since she was 16 (she is now in her thirties) my daughter has had to give up work, on doctor's advice, because of ill health - she had to wait for 8 weeks for the benefit system to decide that she is eligible for benefits. Why should foreigners get better treatment?????
jackie johns, london, 30/9/2011 11:57 Your message wasn't displayed because with un-moderated messages there is a text filter that decides what messages may be too extreme and forbidden. For example 1mmigrants is often a forbidden word, instead you must misspell the forbidden words to get a message through, it’s a case of trial and error. - Mike, London, 30/9/2011 12:14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Oh like AASilum Seakers Tennnancy Agreamment
So when will you ditch your Europhile Tory friends and come out in support of UKIP, DM?
Ever wondered how the Poles view us? Try this. Paste into Google this phrase “Die Engländer sind faul.” (‘the English are lazy’ in German) Then paste this: “Anglicy są leniwi”—‘the English are lazy’ in Polish. Compare the number of hits you get.
DON'T WORRY FOLKS our illustrius leader and Co. have promised to take on the EU and vote against is and have guarranteed the same spectacular success the gave us on the reforendum vote!!!
Is this rule going to be applied Europe wide? In France you have to support yourself for 6 months before you are able to claim anything. That's precisely why so-called refugees and asylum seekers bypass all other European countries and head for the UK. They know the UK are the only ones who apply the rules.
Brits abroad,particularly Germany do not get any benefit from the state, neither for being unemployed nor social benefit unless you have worked and paid into the host system for a specified time....The uk does not support expats in other countries ,only those on transfer for a short period from the UK that had benefits in the UK.........Be warned the moment you pay into another countries system you forfeit your free healthcare on retirement that you would get in the UK. So why does the British government support others and not the British....Because all benefits in the UK are based on residence...So to reduce costs you have to reduce immigration,,,,or ,better adopt the German system as an example thus reducing spongers to virtually nil..Britain can punish there own but will break EU laws if this is applied to immigrants to the UK.....That is reverse racism and rightly Brussels declare what the UK do illegal under EU law.britain may not have the Euro but it is part of the EU ..
What? F&£k off eu. When the rest of you pathetic countries abide by eu rules so will we. Come on britain, leave before we are run further into the ground by the pathetic failing european union
And just where are we going to get the money from.. More NHS cuts, Armed forces cuts, Education this has to stop NOW!!! I’m struggling like most people I know.. enough scroungers we do not, cannot afford anymore.. - alan, Sussex, 30/9/2011 12:28+++++++++++++++++++++++Don't worry about it. The government will just ask the BoE to print some more cash with lots of interest attached it which you can then pay (the interest that is) from your direct taxes and when your children go to work they can do the same.
Anything with EU in the title is going to get D M readers going.
I know three Spainards who live here on benefits. One of them, is constantly saying how much she hates the UK. But Spain will only support her for 56 months so she stays here. First on housing benefits and jobseekers allowance and now she is switching to Disability. She says she is depressed. Another woman, a german got a doctor to sign her off disabled so she could go on holiday to South America. Then when she returned back to job seekers. Why do we let these people get away with it
When Brown and Miliband signed Lisbon they gave the EU 'power' to rule over the UK like this, here's what our current illustrious 'leader' said at the time: Tory leader David Cameron blasted Mr Brown's betrayal of Britain. Mr Cameron said: He (Brown) doesn't even have the guts to put it to the British people.'
It works both ways! "Hear ye all unemployed and folk with huge families who live off the state! MOVE TO BRUSSELS! There your children will get a wonderful education, including learning to speak new languages fluently, and you will be accorded all your needs under ther wonderful human rights laws. Go! Get pots of money, huge homes, clean streets, no riots, great health services, generous bankers, etc. etc. BON VOYAGE!!! It's the wonderful age of European bureaucracy."
Know wonder the British are fuming,you have an elected government that has no say,your losing you heritage on orders of some other officials in Europe that dictate what you cant and must do.All your government has to say to them is NO we are not doing this and if anymore ridiculas statements are made we will pull out of this ridiculas Dictatorship of a partnership.
I see forms in more languages than I have ever heard of. What we need to do is only print forms in English and Welsh. Could you imagine France printing forms in lots of languages?
Do other EU countries really follow these rules? If I visit, say, Poland will I be showered with benefits?
Why would anyone come to the UK specifically to claim benefits? JSA in the UK = £67 per week, JSA in poor old broke Ireland = €188 per week. UK benefits are very low compared to most other western European countries.
What's the point in paying my tax and national insurance any more? I ought to just take my HARD EARNED money to the coast and put it straight into the expectant hands of jobless immigrants coming of the boats. Our gutless government needs to develop a spine and tell the EU where to go.
The EU orders this country to pay migrants on arrival in Britain. And what response do we get from Mr Grayling? " It is an unwelcome development". The statement is about a exciting as watching paint dry.
Well the European Commission can sod off I didn't see or hear them stopping this government cutting welfare benefits to the poor,low paid & disabled & we have at some time worked & paid taxes into this state why should immigrants get what we are entitled to but only just about getting.And where was the European Commission when this government started discriminating against the disabled, what EU rules were they breaking then & now
Please can someone tell us how we can get out of this human rights mess, and being led by the nose by the EU. We are struggling to manage to live a half descent life here and we cannot afford to pay any more tax, to pay people who have not contributed anything to our welfare system, but will have a more comfortable lifestyle than me who now has to live on our savings and pension. If I am being thick and there are great advantages to being a member of the EU, perhaps someone could just make a list of the advantages for me to see, then maybe I would not feel so brasses off with it all.
Dave, man up and tell these people what the British people think of this!
France has been applying EU legislation, for years, that states that all EU nationals, wishing to live in France, must be able to support themselves financially and not place a burden on the state by way of health or other benefit claims. This is part of EU LAW !! It is now ridiculous that the same EU are trying to tell the UK that they cannot apply the same EU legislation that they themselves created. I've lived in France for over 5 years and despite being a pensioner I am still required to pay for healthcare AND prove to the government that I can take care of my wife and me without claiming any benefits from France. If it can be done in France, it can be done in the UK.
AAAAARGH I could SCREAM when I read these reports. What the hell is wrong with this country???
Can't see any problem with this. Why should only rich people be able to come here?
Oh EU go to hell. What a huge mistake we made joining the the EU. Why can we not leave as it is not actually helping us in the long term
Oh for a Maggie Thatcher for all her faults she knew exactly how to deal with the EU and the answer was very simple she just blocked every bill going through the EU parliament until the UK got what was right and proper. But with Blair then Brown and now Cameron in charge there is not much chance of them putting Britain first.
You Can Only Blame David Cameron & Co (MPs) of being in the EU in the 1st place. Before the Election the Conservatives were against the EU then when in Power now Support the EU thats Betrayal of the English/UK Public. This Bunch of Muppets are as Bad/ worse than Labour was. - Ingo, Have to be honest , 30/9/2011 10:48 Hell no! no one could be worse than the last lot they signed us up to most of the c__P we are now getting and jammed the gates open as well.
Next week we will have the spectacle of a spineless Prime Minister addressing his loyal supporters and reassuring them that everything is great! It's not, and where's that promised referendum on leaving the EU.
At least the people on the photo are pure eastern Europeans
This Habitual Residence Test makes it impossible for us, retired Brits to return "home", even if national insurance has been paid in. It is administered by an ordinary person behind the counter at Jobcentre Plus, who can get things wrong. We have friends here in France who daren't try to get back because of this test. And yet foreigners get in. A disgrace - our family and friends are in UK.
SO SICK of the EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And cameron is worried about plastic bags!!!!!..!
In the 60s, travelling abroad was a delight. Each country had its own character and part of the enjoyment was changing currency, pasetas, drachmas,lira. Now all the people in Europe dress the same, have the same currency, the same awful modern pop music. There is no doubt in my mind that the ambition of the EU, is to create a single sterile identity, same money, same nationality, same army, same law, while living a life of luxury, inventing new ridiculous laws, including the very harmful Human Rights law.
Chris Grayling said ' this is a very unwelcome development'....wow, tough talk, eh? When is the Government going to stand up to these bullies. I voted for DC and it wasn't so that he could lecture supermarkets about plastic bags!
Patricia, Hampshire>>>'Someone dig Churchill up'>>>>>Made me laugh out loud.
Perhaps the EU would be better forcing other countries to comply with the International Rules on Refugees which requires they should take refuge in the first safe countries they reach. NOT TRAVEL through MOST of the EU before trying to claim refuge status at our borders.
I decided, with 2 young children and elderly mother in tow, to return to Britain after some years working away. We are all British - born in Oxford, NI paid in. After some time in GB, we applied for benefits, for the first time in our lives. My ex-husband owed over £4,000 for the boys. We were given the Habitual Residence Test to take in Oxford, and failed, because we were "persons from abroad with no right to benefits". We left the country again because social services were threatening to take children and elderly mother "into care". I was destitute. We have lived very poorly in France, since, often on food parcels. My mother died, and is buried here. We could never gain redress.
They are extracting the urine out of this once Great Nation., which the EU now rules. They should be told, none too politely to "Go Forth and Multiply". Sadly. it will not happen, as this is all part of a far bigger plan . Gogzy hinted at it in one of his last speeches, before getting kicked into touch. He mentioned the establishment of " A New World Order". Britain is being downgraded in order to bring us down to the required level for it,s imposition.
Does UKIP still exisit? Considering the ever increasing number of dictates coming out of the ivory towers in Brussels, they seem very quiet these days. Wake up UKIP and start shouting about how much memebrship of this dreadful organisation is costing us, both in terms of cash and self-governance.
Seams strange that we are fighting against dictatorships in the middle east but allowing the EU to continue. The difference between the 2 is that the Arab dictators have only one overpaid leader!!!
WHO AND HOW DO WE ARRANGE A MARCH ON DOWNING STREET MAY BE THE DAILY MAIL CAN HELP. - jackie johns, london Yes Jackie, it would be useful all of the Eurosceptic newspapers would actually get together and help the British People fight this EU tyranny. Come on Mail, Telegraph etc.
And just where are we going to get the money from.. More NHS cuts, Armed forces cuts, Education this has to stop NOW!!! IÂ’m struggling like most people I know.. enough scroungers we do not, cannot afford anymore..
WELCOME TO THE EU DICTATORSHIP. and about time someone told cameron to his face that is eaxactly what the eu has become.
Everyone thinking that UK benefit system is the most generous in EU check Belgium or Austria.Just saying.everyone is welcome to go and live in one of this countries.You can go find work and check yourself.That what EU is all about.Free movement.I know that for some DM readers is beyond imagination to at least try living in different country.Maybe language barrier don't know,maybe they would not be able to get wasted on the streets of these countries like in Cardiff?? agree you should get out from EU right now.But what you will do with millions of immigrants??.Just say to them really polite:please get out or could you be so kind and leave my country please?World will look at this with shock because this never happened before.Well maybe in Nazi Germany but they had more hardcore policy for getting rid of foreigners.So can I ask ,English are the same?What will happen with millions Brits in Europe.Maybe Britain can be only poodle of USA.You are part of Europe if you want this or not.
why are webeing singled out ? both Cyprus and malta do not adopt this policy . and spain you must pay 7,000 euros a year for medical
Hands up who believes this thread is not moderated? Oh, and all the whingers who habitually vote LibLabCon know what to do next time...
It good news.
What did we fight two world wars for? Is it any wonder so many feel so much contempt and hatred for immigrants?
E.U?? F.U.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My long post - from France - didn't get through; I wanted to say we are stranded abroad because of this Habitual Residence Test, and we are not the only ones. We tried to get back "home" after just 5 years spent working in Belgium and after 6 months in GB were told we were "persons from abroad". Britain is the only country with such a test.
The people of this country need to start their own People's Party and take back control of our own affairs. This is not just getting out of hand now, this IS out of hand now. It's going to end in tears unless somebody grows a pair and tells the unelected EU that they have NO authority over the British people, our lives or our money!!!
Everyone thinking that UK benefit system is the most generous in EU check Belgium or Austria.Just saying.everyone is welcome to go and live in one of this countries.You can go find work and check yourself.That what EU is all about.Free movement.I know that for some DM readers is beyond imagination to at least try living in different country.Maybe language barrier don't know,maybe they would not be able to get wasted on the streets of these countries like in Cardiff?? agree you should get out from EU right now.But what you will do with millions of immigrants??.Just say to them really polite:please get out or could you be so kind and leave my country please?World will look at this with shock because this never happened before.Well maybe in Nazi Germany but they had more hardcore policy for getting rid of foreigners.So can I ask ,English are the same?What will happen with millions Brits in Europe.Maybe Britain can be only poodle of USA.You are part of Europe if you want this or not.
Articles like this make my blood BOIL. We have just received a letter to say that the provision my son uses (he has special needs) to help and support him to find and keep a job is being shut to save money!!!! He was working, and does not want to live on benefits, but without this service, we dont think working will be an option. It seems to me that this Country are all for the scroungers and are not looking after the ones who have lived here all their lives. GET OUT OF THE EU NOW !!!!!!! A VERY ANGRY mum
I've lived in France for almost 10 years now and can I, or any of my other British expat friends claim benefits here? The answer is NO (and for me, certainly, that is exactly the way it should be). Why should the French taxpayer pay ME anything? They owe me NOTHING! I came here of my own volition (because I can't afford to live in my own country, the UK, on my limited income) and they didn't invite me. Consequently, I pay my own way here - JUST AS IT SHOULD BE AND JUST AS IT SHOULD BE IN THE UK. The only EU member state to take ANY NOTICE of the EU dictats is the UK - France don't do ANYTHING that goes against their customs, their people and their way of life - AND WHY SHOULD THEY? What is happening in the UK is getting VERY FRIGHTENING! We should pull out NOW! What we have now is NOT what we signed up to in 1972!
What did Mr Cameron say about dictator's!? I am so gobsmacked that what started as a trade with the EU, we now have No rights to say what we want in our own country, the British public have been ignored for way to long by not just this government but previous governments and now we must let our voice be heard, I cannot believe the cheek that they are going to take us to court if we do not do as we are told, how dare they and who do they think they are seriously.
Mind boggling.
Mr Prime Minister - I VOTE YOU GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!! The eu does nothing for Britain it only looks after Germanys " favorites"
jackie johns, london, 30/9/2011 11:57 Your message wasn't displayed because with un-moderated messages there is a text filter that decides what messages may be too extreme and forbidden. For example 1mmigrants is often a forbidden word, instead you must misspell the forbidden words to get a message through, itÂ’s a case of trial and error.
let's all go retire in greece - 17 years earlier and it's sunny. get a nice taverna on benefits - sounds idyll.
Its time to 'man up' Cameron and tell the EU to do one!!!!
No Chris Grayling, don't defend this, ignore this. Tell the EU they can do what they want over the laws, we'll receive the judgement and simply ignore it. Immigration is NOTHING to do with the EU. Moreover our economy is not in their hands. Tell them to take a flying leap!
OUT, OUT OUT now from this corrupt organisation. Come on Cameron and give us this referendum or are you as corrupt as the rest of them? My country is being destroyed and it seems as if I can do nothing about it.
Strange that the overwhelming majority of people were under the impression that people could come here and claim benefits straight away when the facts have always been very different. Just goes to show the power of the rumour mill.
"The EU has no right to tell us who to pay benefits to. - Liz M, London" - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks to a Sucssesion of Traitorous Prime Ministers & Gullible Voters, i'm Afraid they Do,....E.U. Law Now Over-Rules British Law......!
First do they speak English, do they have a job and are they illegal immigrants that have been given amnesty in another EU country, against all common sence, rather than being deported?
Ive got two letters to the E.U NOW MAKE WHAT YOU WANT OF THEM AND THEY ARE F O.and if you all(in the E.U) started to realise while natural born Brits hate you its for your stupid ideas like that YOUR ARE A BUNCH OF LOOPY nut jobs and thats polite in my language.
Better still, go to the link HM Government e-petition - 'Britain wants referendum to leave EU' - there are 33,037 signatures already!! I've signed this one also.
I failed this UK govt "Habitual Residence Test", trying to resettle in Britain with my 3 young children and my elderly, dependent mother, after 5 yrs working in Belgium. We are 100% British; with a long life in England - NI paid - before going to Belgium. My ex-husband owed maintenance for the children of over £4,OOO. Not used to living "on benefits", I nevertheless asked, after 6 months in GB, was given this test and named "a person from abroad" with no right to anything. The children and their grannie were about to be taken "into care", as I became destitute; we all fled to France, where we have had a very hard time, lived on food parcels, but no trauma of family split-up and "care". The UK is the only country in Europe to have a Habitual Residence Test. It is administered by an ordinary person behind the benefits counter at Jobcentre Plus, who can get it wrong. There is no redress - I've tried for years. We are not the only Brits to suffer, abroad. The test should be banned.
No way; we fail to support our own deserving!
Why doesn't the PM suggest sending them to another country .. we're FULL of them!
I just want to slap Cameron and tell him to get a grip and get us out of the EU so we can make our own decisions. Could you imagine the Americans having someone telling them all the time what they can and can't do in their own land. It's just madness, pure madness.
Someone dig Churchill up.
GO TO HELL EU , I'm fed up of going to work so I can be taxed to pay for every dead beat, breeder and scrounger!!!!
OK Sir. Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir and would you like to kick my ar*e sir while your about it. i won't mind because Clegg and his cronies with the ever spineless Cameron et al say it's ok
Pretty rich if this happens given the UK doesnt even abide by EU rules to look after their own British nationals living in another european country. We cannot get benefits in Spain as all our national insurance and taxes are in the UK coffers... and 4 years after a legal ruling in favour of claimants the DWP are continuing to spend taxpayers money to try and stop us getting legitimate benefits that we are entitled to get like DLA. Think we shall head back home and get the claim forms written up! Of course our legitimate claims are also spoiled by benefit cheats whose stories make front page news while we are consigned to the "expats living it up in the sun" headlines when the reality is that our only income of state pension has reduced by 20% since the bankers ruined the economy. No sangrias being drunk in our household!
- YOU HAVE A CHOICE,.....UNITED...KINGDOM...INDEPENDENCE..PARTY,...... ........& No Excuses....!.!.!
Sign the HM Government e-petition 'Hold a referendum on withdrawing from the EU'. - Karen, Fife, 30/9/2011 11:10 ************************************************************************************* Thanks for the link - I've just signed it!. I suggest everyone who agrees, go and sign it now. It only take a few seconds, so c'mon.
EU to hell in a handcart
Please let the European Union implode. And can we have a British Spring please.
- Mike, France, 30/9/2011 9:19 - check with your embassy. The thing is that all EU countries have to do the same with benefits. The problem is that so many people think sod britain move to EU countries without knowledge of local legislations or even both 
Give us a damn referendum while there are still enough people with brains in this country to say no. The EU wants to destroy Britain, there is no other purpose in this decision, are the EU taking any other EU state to court for failure to provide immediate accommodation and benefits to 1mmigrants?
This is fine, as long as EVERY other EU country does exactly the same, and pays the same amount of benefit!!! Until then......I suggest the EU keeps quiet, and start reducing its huge salary and 'perks' budgets. Maybe then many of the EU countries will be a little better off themselves!!
why has DM not posted my massage ABOUT MARCHING ON DOWNING STREET PEACEFULLY
Just looked at the epetitions to get us out of the EU..only 33,000 votes, I find that unbelievable. What a joke these government sites are when THEY can pick and choose what we can see. The only thing to do is for the DM to start its own petition to get us out of the EU..I'd sign it in a shot.
Come on Dave put your foot down and get us out and away from the EU lunatics
I'm seriously outraged as so many are, we need an answer from the PM on what he plans do say on this matter, not hide behind number 10, the EU will take Britain to court are they serious!! What happened about going after dictators Mr Cameron.
To all those readers who did not vote UKIP or BNP at the last general election you have only youselves to blame If for one minute did believe that the selfserving parasites of the three main parties would had the backbone to stand up to the EU. A prime example of the above is the ghastly turncoat Kinnocks.
say yes to their demand only if they pay us what we have to pay them see how they like it
Tell all of our own unemployed to go and sign on and collect in France we could hire a ferry to enable them and whilst they are at it bring back duty free for the rest of us.
Only a handful of the many benefits available in the UK exist in Italy. Perhaps the EU should address this problem and make all 27 EU countries have exactly the same benefits available for all citizens. I know of many Italians who have spent a life-time working in England then retiring here in Italy, only to return to the UK after a few years when various (mostly health) benefits are not available to them unless they live in the UK. Making the welfare/health/pension schemes the same in all EU countries would eliminate the less well off masses from pouring into the so-called wealthier EU nations to claim them..
For god's sake give us that referendum now.!!!!!!!!!!!
I despair for my country. This is insanity.
The EU has no right to tell us who to pay benefits to. We have rules made by this government so we should tell the EU where to go. If they insist then we must make our benefits so low that it is not worth them coming to this country. Time to reform welfare benefits. Take it back to what they were meant to be. Money in hard times and just enough to survive on. Child benefit should be stopped at 1 child. Mr Cameron has got to stand up and say enough is enough.
Is it a surprise to see that the EU is failing when the bureaucrats make decisions like this' placing large strains on an individual Country's finances. In a few words NO!!! hardly surprising at all. We should boycott the UK government and Local Authorities with a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" until they get us out of the European Union. Bring on the British Revolution...
NO Europe, we are not allowing immigrants to claim benefits as soon as they arrive, so you can go and get stuffed and if you don't like it, we are coming out of the EU.
Can it be seen that we, in paying our taxes are contributing and encouraging foreigners to govern this Country? Could it be seen by Courts in this land-and before Judges are bound by EU Law to have EU Judicial training on the Continent as proposed-, that we, are encouraging British MP's in what may be TREASON? Our MP's cannot even close our own borders. They have to do anything the EU says yes even to destroying the Country and Nation of ENGLAND through the EU's Localism Bill. All for the Committee of the EU Regions So folks, can it be seen that we are, in paying our taxes are contributing to the possible Treason that our own MP's have done over the years in ratifying EU TREATIES that should never have been ratified, and at a time when their solemn OATHS of Allegiance is to the British Crown and through the Crown to every British subject of that Crown within the Crown's Realm.
If our politicians don't fight this and win, they should all leave their jobs to offset the cost to the tax payer. If they are not representing us, who needs them?
This could be our moment to encourage the eu to throw us out,And we should vote for the proposal wether in Brusselles or the second parliament in Strasburg.
Tell the EU to get lost, the quicker we get out of there the better but none of our MP's in Governments have the balls to do it, so we have to suffer for the scum the EU wants us to have. Our own old people cannot get the benefits they deserve and we are all suffering but no the good old EU have to still dig the knives in.
I bet we couldn't move to other parts of the eu and claim straight away, so why us, Cameron needs to get out of the EU as soon as possible.
In how many of the other 26 EU countries could someone claim benefits on entry to the country? Maybe the DM could send some reporters to try it. I'd take a wild guess that the UK is the only country in the EU (possibly on the planet) where this is possible. - Mark, Exeter, 30/9/2011 ***********************the point being that it isn't possible in the UK either.Yet another wind up from DM.
'REFERENDUM, REFERENDUM, WE WANT A REFERENDUM! OUT, OUT, OUT! - Anon, West Midlands. -- >>>>>>>>>>> We had a referendem at the last election. Everybody voted for more of the same!
why not the e.u. pay them benefits instead of us. don't tell us what to do with our money with have enough m.p. wasting it on expenses and strange schemes
This is an act of WAR! The people want out of the hated EU. It was the politicians that drove europe to war throughout the 20th century. They have again wrecked europe and have set up another war. The UK will again be embroled in a european war thanks to the collective insanity of its' politicians.
In preparation for our leaving the EU we should begin deducting the cost of these hair brained dictats.The EU is a monster that needs to be slain and we should begin the process. I suggest 25th December when we tell them to get stuffed.
All other EU members agree to regulations, then never implement them. We have become lily-livered.
"paul, london, 30/9/2011 0:47 400 pounds job seekers allowance, 1000 pounds for rent per month, electric money, gas, lol" JSA is £67.50 a week (for those over 25) and HB is capped at £400 a month. There is no provision for free gas and electricity. Just saying.
Can I go to Spain and do the same thing? - june, bedworth uk, 30/9/2011 **************************************YES you can.
How many times have the Germans and French flouted EU rules, and when they do nothing happens. If we don't get out of the EU (Forth Reich) then Britain is truly finished. - Andrew Rutley, Burnley, England, *********************************Your're right, how many times?? Bet you can't give me one example, these sort of comments are brought out every time DM run an EU story and non of them are based on fact. Can't you lot see how the DM are winding you all up and every time you fall for it.Think of all the DM stories of "EU proposals and laws" over the last couple of years and give me one example of one that has actually been implemented. I'm fed up of all UK's problems being blamed on the EU, we have real HOMEMADE problems that we should be sorting out first, but of course it's always easier to blame someone else.
Can I go to Spain and do the same thing?
Ivan in poland sorry to disapoint you mate.The woman here are not BEAUTIFUL PRINCESSES but obese ugly fat loud mouthed and tacky two bit fish woman.
Enough is enough, it's time we took to the streets to show just how sick and tired the silent majority are of these ridiculous rulings that are foisted on the UK. We can't afford the EU, we can't afford to bail out every other countries mess, and we can't afford to pay for anyone who turns up at the door wanting full benefits when our own citizens are denied benefits for the most spurious of reasons.
This is an outrageous interference in our nation's rights and should be met by an immediate departure from the E C. Why does any UK politian apart from the Lib dems who have sold their souls to be ing Euriopean allow us to stay in this expensive, corrupt and intrusive organsation of excessively highly paid bureacrats We should be able to close our doors to beneifits migrants and all other workers from the E C who do not hold a firm job contract
From the many postings about leaving the EUSSR, it appears that those wanting to leave the EUSSR are the minority. The polls still put UKIP & the BNP no-where. IF YOU WANT OUT, --- VOTE ACCORDINGLY!
this is just pushing our faces deeper into the dirt , i have been on the sick since the end of july and has just had a operation , im also on ssp which is not enough to feed me and my wife let alone pay the rent . i applied for help with my rent and was turned down , i have paid into the system all my life yet when i need help i cant get it . how can those prats in brussels demand that we give all migrants everything they can get and how can our goverment allow it to happen , what a joke . get out of the EU and close the borders , labour , concervative / lib dem , non of you have the guts to do this . we can servive without the EU but our goverment just want to continue to pay to be in it , give the people the vote , you know you would loose . how can migrants continue to get more out of this country than its own tax payers , there is also not enough housing in this country because of migrant workers , GET OUT OF EUROPE .
I personally have yet to speak to anyone who wishes to remain in the EU if this is representative nationwide how have successive governments and all politicians alike managed to avoid a referendum ? come on DM it's time the nation had it's say.
Sign the HM Government e-petition 'Britain wants referendum to leave EU' which has just over 33,000 signatures so far.
so don't blame the Conservatives, as they are not actually a Government in their own right, yet! - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 30/9/2011 That explains why both Cameron and Osborne are both on record stating that we need to be closer to Europe and that Europe needs closer integration. I think I'll choose to blame the conservatives after all they do have a majority and are supposed to be running this country. .
Lets face it even though we have politicians that say they will fight against this tooth and nail we all know its a front , There is no way that these politicians will risk having their noses removed from the EU trough , and will keep bending over and gripping their ankles for their share of the EU non stop fountain of our money, How many are going to fall for the lies Labour are talking now ?? Its time to vote in UKIP and get the UK the hell out of this Franco/German totalitarian state, and start taking control of OUR country. Arab spring ?? how about a British spring ???
We have PAYED for our rights, these SCROUNGERS have not. So many brave young men and women payed the ultimet price in two wars, and are still doing so to this day. To make sure we in the UK retained our rights and freedom. Fight and lose your limbs, then get put in a six story flat. But arrive in this Country, with no money, no job, and SCROUNGE off the state. and you get a £1000000 house in a posh part of London (artcle in the Mail). Has this Government go completly mad. What right has the EU got to tell us what we should and should not do. We have shortage of affordable housing, millions unemployed. overcrowed trains, buss's, now we are told by the faceless EU morons, we have to let more SCROUNGERS in to the country to make matters even worse. We are living in hard times, and need hard MP's to rule. not this namby pamby lot we have in now. it's no wonder we have riots, the people are getting so frusted. There is so much pent up anger in this country at the moment. WAKE UP
VOTE ON COMEING OUT NOW NOT NEXT YEAR NOW
Has our government got the bottle to tell the EU to get stuffed , the same as many other EU countries have done.
Yet another ludicrous decision by the EU madhouse! Get us out of the EU before they make us all go bonkers!!!!
Could I suggest that all unemployed people in this country go to Brussels and claim benefits? Payable, of course, from thier first day there. That should put the EU in a bit of a tizzy.
I thought we were overgenerous with benefits as it is. Our NHS is overwhelmed with foreigners who have paid nothing or very little into the Service getting free treatment. Such treatment should not be allowed unles its given on a reciprical basis.There is great mystery surrounding the EU. The BBC remains silent, commentators opposing the EU are not seen or heard. Very little about the EU being behind closure of our post offices., organisation of our railways,fishing etc.and our sovereignty being handed over eventually to Brussels so that our own parliament will simply become a rubber stamp to Brussels imposed laws Also England disappearing from the map and becoming simply a region. I will be very surprised to see this in print.
" Not so many complaints when Britain was robbing the world through colonialism, well now the Empire strikes back. Our industry, our jobs our way of life has disapeared, a few billion in handouts hardly matters anymore. " - dui daag, Manchester, 30/9/2011 7:48------So are you saying that no other EU country ever had an empire? What about France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Germany (for a short while), the Netherlands, Italy, etc. ? Besides Britain's wealth was mainly based on the instigation of the Industrial Revolution, the many British inventions & innovations,.and its supreme maritime trading position in the world.
Wars have been fought over less than this.
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It is high time to quit this EU shambles.
Just apply the rule to all EU citizens, including British ones and the Commission would be happy. No work, no benefits, simples!
In how many of the other 26 EU countries could someone claim benefits on entry to the country? Maybe the DM could send some reporters to try it. I'd take a wild guess that the UK is the only country in the EU (possibly on the planet) where this is possible.
If benefits within the EU were equal then there would be no benefit tourism, only thing is that Britain is more equal than others when it comes to benefits. VOTE UKIP and get us out of this den of thieves
So what will happen now...........YES they will cut money to the people the system was originally set up for. THE GENUINE DISABLED. Well why should these Tory cowards give the money to our own people in need when they can follow orders from the EU and give our money to anyone who makes the trip to help themselves. GIVE US OUR EU VOTE YOU PROMISED YOU POOR EXCUSE FOR A PRIME MINISTER.
REFERENDUM, REFERENDUM, WE WANT A REFERENDUM! OUT, OUT, OUT!
We are told by pro-EC / EU apologists that EC / EU membership is vital to us, yet the UNELECTED Commission repeatedly shows us we are hamstrung by our membership. The EU Commission makes more and more intrusive rules that crush our rights and our ELECTED parliament's ability to govern. They expect us to make huge cuts to get out of debt while forcing us to pay up to £2 billion to people who do not contribute to Britain. Why don't the LibDems stick to their pre-election promise to give us a referendum on whether Britain should stay in the EC / EU? The Tories are already leaning towards keeping their promise to have a referendum on the EU.
11 am, Saturday, 15th October, 2011 at your local war memorial for a peaceful rally to protest EU control and unfettered immigration. If you are not happy you need to say so and if millions say so the government will listen or a British Spring will follow. Maybe UKIP will oblige to coordinate such a Rally for us.
And, we all know who is to blame for slavish support of U.K. membership of the E.U. Remember that, next time you cast your vote.
If not before NOW is the time to LEAVE the EU we do NOT need it!
I voted against the COMMON MARKET back in the 1970s. I have never changed my stance. Even back then we ran a huge trade deficit with the other Common Market members (6). Despite the propaganda issued by Ted Heath at the time, I foresaw that for every UK truck going one way, there would be 6 coming our way, dumping there goods on us. The trade deficit has always been there. We must Quit this crowd NOW. Ignore the daft pleas about 'Europe being our biggest trading partner'; they will still want to sell their goods to us (normal business). We will be able to control imports better though. How many more times must we tell the UK government to QUIT the EU copmpletely?
'I give up...I am emigrating ...I cant take it no more with my country....its simply not worth it no more............. - BOB the Dog and 3 chickens, >>>>>>>>>>> Take me with you!
AmandaO, Anywhere but here. said: "I live in France - part of the EU - here, as a non-French national, you are not entittled to any benefits, unless you have worked/paid taxes for 3 years. If you can't prove that you can support yourself, then you are not allowed to reside here. If you don't work, and therefore not in the Social/health care system, you have to pay for your own private medical insurance. Employers must offer jobs to French nationals before they can be offered to other nationalities. If France is allowed to behave like this, why can't the UK?" Probably because the French Government (along with the other 25 EU governments) does rather better at actually doing their job. No doubt also one important qualification for claiming benefits in France would be to read, write, speak and understand French.
Come on you euro sceptics, lets see you holler and shout, and force this so called government that is too weak to face up to this EU ruling and any more that they wish to push onto us. Get on the band waggon and do your stuff, Nigel and the UKIP for me and thousands of others.
I'm 58 and currently unemployed. I'd LOVE to live in Holland - I like Tulips and Windmills, and love the Dutch Accent, can I go there and claim benefits?
This is going to push the public over the edge, either Cameron gets us out of Europe Now, or we'll get ourselves out of Europe. Enough is Enough! We don't care if the Royals, and Cameron's Father in Law are getting money out of the CAP, the British Public want out. If UKIP wont do it then it'll either be the EDF or BNP!
I'm from an EU country from Eastern Europe (not Romania and not Poland), have been living in the UK for nearly 4 years and it has never ever crossed my mind to claim benefits!!! I think us immigrants shouldn't be able to claim anything until we did certain amount of contribution first. And anybody abusing the system with false claims should be deported permanently.
Can someone please explain to me why an elderly lady who for health reasons needs, but can't get, full support to live at home where she chooses to be. Her Son has moved in to be there at night as is needed, but can't be provided by the authorities, and guess what, she loses benefits she was entitles to before, but now, is penalised for having a family who cares enough to meet her wishes to stay in her own home. To hear that the EU has ORDERED the UK TO PAY any tom, dick and harry who arrives here with hands out sickens me beyond belief. I will be expecting the government to tell them to go forth and multiply. I would be out of this country if I could trust elderly relatives to the hands of professionals but that is a no go too, What a bloody mess this country is in, God help all of us if we don't get out of the EU. Referendum NOW!
When are we going to leave this communistic regime called the European comminist market. They are destroying numerous countries, and yet refuse to let go of their dictotorial regimes. Greece,Ireland Italy, Spain,Portugal, have all been destroyed by the EU MP' It is about time a stop was put to its disgusting policies. What kind of whimp MP's do we have running our countries.
WHO IS GOING TO COME FOR 40 POUNDS PER WEEK IF YOU NEED JUST FOR APARTMENT 150 POUNDS PER WEEK? ALL EU COUNTRIES HAVE MORE GENEROUS WELFARE SYSTEM THEN UK. CHECK STATISTICS FIRST BECAUSE 99% EUROPEANS DO WORK EXCEPT FEW THIEVES FROM ROMANIA.- John Baker, Aberdeen, 30/9/2011 4:28------You are talkng rubbish mate! Our benefits system is one of the most generous in Europe! Not only can the unemployed claim job seekers allowance (£67.50 for anyone over 25 - NOT £40!), they can claim child tax credits, housing benefits, child allowance, council tax exemption, free prescriptions, dental treatment, etc. Migrants don't get all that in France - that's why they wait to sneak into Britain. Even low paid workers can claim generous working tax credits and housing benefits.
The EU ruling is stupid, but it is about European, i.e. Easter European recipients. So why does the DM publish a picture on top of people, clearly not from Europe?
if cameron doesnt do anything soon he can kiss goodbye to any reelection of the tory party perhaps he should be replaced by william hague. great gran bridgend
Well I'm a tax payer ditto the millions of working Brits and we say NO. I mean it, my husband is on 40% tax due to the tax office's error, they said he hadn't been paying enough and we have to dip into our savings to make ends meet. I will personally see my MP about this as should everyone else. I don't want my tax to be used to pay benefits for everyone and their dog from other countries.
This together with the proposed Tobin tax should trigger a referendum. Neither of these things were in any way envisaged at the time of the 1975 referendum and even at the time of the most recent general election. They are an extension of the power of the EU Commission by undemocratic stealth.
National Day of Protest! Not all on London! as that would mean the event would be hi-jacked by the Great Unwashed Anarchists that just want to loot an pillage. But localised with everyone who wants a Referendum on getting out of the EU rally outside their Town Halls. We need some heavy weight political candidates (UKIP - Nearly but not quite ready) to take the reigns on this issue and galvanise the current resentment towards the EU that this Government and indeed the last chose to ignore!
Give us the referendum NOW! This EU dictat is tantamount to a change in EU policy therefore honour your promise to let the UK voters have a say on this dreadful EU cropwd. WE MUST QUIT THE EU BEFORE WE ARE COMPLETELY RUINED. AND erect the border controls again. Let France keep all immigrants there.
Abu, Hillingdon, Get real and come back to live on this planet! The EU costs us billions and we have a huge trade deficit with them. Migrants do NOT have to come here, they pas through other countries who get to the land of milk and honey. Yes, and for benefits. We even pay benefits for their children still living in their own country. They get free housing in front of our our own citizens, free translators because some are not interested in learning English, free schooling and NHS. Granted it is our own government who are pathetic wimps and who allow them to do this but it must stop now! Our own people are told they can't have life saving treatment because we can't afford it and also thousands are losing their jobs while we will soon become a minority in our own country! Anne, Scotland
So now we have to house,feed and clothe the whole of planet Earth! Were making Greece look like the best administered country in the world. How much longer must this madness go on? As sure as Hell the EU will finish us off and there isn't a peep out of any of our gutless MP's.Time for the Nation to start marching one feels or is it too late?
If I had my way notification would be on its way to Brussels this very day that we want a renegotiation of our membership of the EU to what we voted for in 1974 - a free trade zone - and if that is not acceptable to the other countries then we give notice of withdrawal.
We can thank Blair and Brown for selling the UK out to the EU Cameron must , has tp put it to the people each and every day the EU attempt to erode the uk way of life - each week they make claim on our diminishing funds Time to leave !
this is an apsolute joke imo! the UK should pull out of the UK and run it how it used to be, the imigrants have only been coming here in there thousands since we joined up. how can they expect us as the tax payer to pay for these NON SPEAKING ENGLISH to claim benifits? never mind bloody work! WAKE UP CAMERON!
No doubt any ex-pats returning to Britain trying to claim benefits would probably be told to more or less go back to where you came from, regardless of how much they previously paid into the system. It's ok to discrimate Britsh nationals, but not someone that has never contributed anything to Britain and is just a benefit tourist.
People accross the nation need to rally at their local town war memorial (or similar place) on Saturday 15th October at 11 am. Lets see if this gets off the ground--email, blog, twitter: SATURDAY 15th OCTOBER, 2011 at your local War Memorial to prtoest against unfettered immigration, EU control and the deaf ears of the government Iincluding the last one).
This is totally unacceptable. If the government bows to these imbeciles from the EC the Tories will have lost a voter - and many more will follow! Britain needs to look after its own, not the whole of bloody Europe.
Something is seriously wrong with this country the politicians are not in control and never have been. The idea we live in a democracy is just a clever ploy to keep people compliant and happy. If English people opt to live abroad with young families they lose all of their benefits, they have to give up child benefit. A Eastern European can work here for a year and claim child benefit for 16 years even when they go back to Poland. Can someone tell me exactly how that works? I am all of helping the poor but lets starts by helping our own poor first and by that I mean the English!
Time for our politicians to tell the EU where to go. These out of touch lunatics make people like me, who once was a strong EU supporter, despise them for their out of touch dictatorship. If the EU cannot be tamed, then we have to leave. If only our politicians had the guts. We cannot afford to provide the benefits paid for by our own people, we cannot afford to maintain an effective armed forces, we cannot afford to upgrade our collapsing infrastructure, we cannot afford the education and health services our people need - so how the hell can we pay for half the EU to come here and live for free? Tell the EU - not one more penny, not one new or old dictat, in fact tell them to get stuffed.
THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW! GET US OUT OF THE POXY EU CAMERON!
Like the rest of you I am thoroughly enjoying the glorious hot sunny weather were are having at the present time even if I have to be indoors for most of the day because I am obliged to do a job of work for which I get paid and out of my pay I am also obliged to pay taxes and NICs. What I find very annoying is seeing groups of Eastern Europeans (I recognise their languages as being EE) sitting on park benches in the brilliant sunshine, swigging out of cans and scoffing takeaway meals in the middle of the day. They don't give me the impression of being on their "lunch break". At the same time I see groups of immigrant young mothers pushing prams and trailing young children alongside, no doubt all of them in full receipt of maternity benefits et al. I also see them at the chemist dispensaries receiving all their prescriptions free of charge.
We must LEAVE the EU NOW. If we do it others will follow. Cameron show some Churchillian Guts and tell them. UP YOURS !!
"But the European Commission said this ‘right to reside’ test indirectly discriminates against nationals from other EU states by enforcing a set of conditions that effectively tests their right to state handouts." But all British citizens must meet a set of conditions in order to claim benefits here and have their right to state handouts tested continuously while claiming----it's how the benefits system works? We've been abused for long enough, time to put our own people first for a change.
the UK should just close the doors to the EU. Become indipentant like we used to be because this is a joke paying for people who can't even speak the English Language. how the hell can they think its okay to claim benifits like that? never mind get a bloody job!.
We should be re-negotiating the Lisbon Treaty...it will have to be altered in the current state of things anyway...the time is now to get some powers back. The main problems are coming from the European Court of Human Rights that Labour signed us up to....this was originall set up to help out fledgling countries with no bill of rights...We had one already!!! Human Rights lawyers (IE Cherie Blair) really got alot out of this. Normal people should be able to fight the powerful companies but as with everything..Legal Aid was hijacked by those who wanted money out of the UK. No other country I know pays it's own citizens or anyone to attack it legally like this.
Tell them to go to HELL.
For goodness sake! Our people, elderly, middle class, youngsters are all losing out because we just pay out benefits so easily, and re-house them before we look after our own. Yes I know they can come over and I know that some of them work really hard and are polite, I don't have a problem with them. I do with those who are bleeding our Country dry! I do when I watch my pension go down the pan, I do when I am being forced to work longer to boost up the benefits pot! If we are all in the EU then the rules should be exactly the same in each country and the laws also. I don't think half the English population would mind if it wasn't at their expense! I say NO to this ruling.
Please can someone take the EU to court instead??? How dare they threaten us in this way. Why do we put up with this nonsense all the time? We want out of the EU NOW!
Why is it all migrants travel through 3, 4 or 5 countries intent on getting into Britain where it is cold and the sun rarely shines??? Our benefit system, that is why. The EU says one thing but does the other. Britain is the country that abides by their stupid, draconian rules. What ever happened to the promise of a referendum by DC?? We want OUT!
So Stephen Booth, research director of think-tank Open Europe, said: ‘Freedom of movement within the EU has largely been positive for the UK WHO IS THIS NUMPTY AND WHAT ARE THE POSITIVES ? - OH YEAH CHEAP LABOUR - MORE UNEMPLOYMENT FOR THE BRITS - AND 15000 CRIMINALS IN JAIL - ANY OTHER POSITIVES ?
I think the EU is fantastic. Just look what it has done for a loser like Kinnock, his school teacher wife and their children. Up the EU and Socialism! What a sham.
Cameron, take note, this is NOT what I pay my taxes for... Sort this out because EU membership, and immigration in particular, are the reason your party will hemmorage votes, unless you get on board with the British public on these issues.
....Meanwhile, over at the Rugby World Cup.....The EU has decreed that all European teams MUST be allowed to qualify....Any dissent from the other teams will be met with a stiff 'Hissy-Fit' and a threat to take the ball home.
Sign the HM Government e-petition 'Hold a referendum on withdrawing from the EU'.
Hey, I've always fancied moving to Stockholm, or Copenhagen! If I turn up there, will I immediately get benefits and housing, as I'm an EU citizen after all! If the arrangements aren't reciprocal, why on earth are we being told we have to provide for Europe's detritus?
We are an island lets shut the gates and let no one in who wants benefits .try getting benefits when you lose your job what a nightmare .ANYWAY HAPPY DAYS LOL
As a mere colonial who loves Britain and has served on attachment with its Armed Forces on active service, and has even guarded Buckingham Palace, and coming from a country that fought in both wars for Britain, and coming from a country that still has the Union Jack on its flag, if I wanted to work in Britain, I would only be allowed to stay for five years. Looks as if we backed the wrong horse. Your kith and kin are the new second-class citizens.
I have worked since I left school in 1970 apart from 1 month when I lost a job,, did I get any help from our wonderful country NO ,,, I was the wrong colour,,not enough kids,,, not a single mother,,, yet these parasites can come here pay nothing in yet get given every assistance going,, ,, the only way to stop this is instead of voting for the 3 main muppet parties is to vote for B N P or UKIP at least they hopefully will get us out of the EUSSR
This all sounds like a sick joke.
You Can Only Blame David Cameron & Co (MPs) of being in the EU in the 1st place. Before the Election the Conservatives were against the EU then when in Power now Support the EU thats Betrayal of the English/UK Public. This Bunch of Muppets are as Bad/ worse than Labour was. - Ingo, Have to be honest , 30/9/2011 10:48 *************************** I think you will find the people of this country didn't vote in a Conservative Government, they voted for a Coalition, and Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems are as much in favour of the EU as Brown and Labour. After all it was Brown who signed our lives away to the EU in Portugal, without giving us their election promise of a Referendem in 2005, so don't blame the Conservatives, as they are not actually a Government in their own right, yet!
Brussels should be told to go to hell. They are worse than dictators. Who on earth do they think they are!!?? We should be allowed to govern our own countries as we see fit. We must sign out of this Human Rights Law that is turning everything into a jokea dn be allowed to re-write it. Our Country is not a joke, the EU is.
Would they like to give us the money to pay out for their people when they come into OUR country!!! I don't remember ever reading that we get the same treatment if we move over to another EU country. Why did we ever opt into europe so that they can govern what we do with our money, sick of it.
When, oh when is the government going to get it through their "thick heads" that we want to have a referendum on getting out of the EU, and we want it now, not next month, next year, or beyond, all the money wasted on this would give us the health service we need, help clear our own debts, and a whole catalogue of things. When are they going to start listening, when it is too late, and we have spent out to the EU , when we have no money to run our own country. It is obscene, all the people can come into our country, they have made no contributions, and they can take taxpayers' money, it is absurd, how do they think this looks to all of our UK benefit cheats, one rule for one, another rule for the other, what about the human rights of us first. This is just the tip of the iceberg, being in the EU, is costing us billions a year, much of it probably lining Brussels bureacrats pockets. Blair/Brown/Cameron/ Clegg have all let us down, we want OUT of the EU, NOW.
Go to epetition.direct.gov.uk and search for "Britain wants referendum to leave EU". Time to stand up and be counted !!!
please explain to me what benefits we get out of the eu.i honestly do not understand it.we seem to be giving out more than we recieve why are we not in control of our own country.is it still our country or have we sold it.this is not a windup i genuinly cannot understand
A massive protest is needed in this country. It's the only way to tell those unelected busybodies in the EU to get lost. We are sick of being dictated to.
Will the E.U force East European countries to pay British people benefits if we move there? No I don't think so! Why do they think we are made of money. Other countries in the EU just ignore the EU and appeal and fight.Even if it takes years. Why doesn't our government stand up to these E.U bullies.If this country gets even more crowded then there wont be money for anyone
Do the French and other EU countries pay benefits to immigrants? "NO THEY DO NOT!" This another in the LONG list of edicts put out by the corrupt EU and our government should say enough is enough and give the British people a referendum on leaving the corrupt EU. The money saved would benefit our own people and the eurocrats justification that we need the EU for trade does not hold any water as Europe would NOT dtop trading with Britain and we would have access to world markets like we had in years gone by when we were known as GREAT BRITAIN!!!
I give up...I am emigrating ...I cant take it no more with my country....its simply not worth it no more.............
Can someone explain why the DM has not published my comment, suggesting they have a count up to determine how many of their readers want out of the EU?
Let them claim in all of the European countries that they pass through first, France, Germany ,etc..
And it would be typical that it would be their human right to be London-based I suppose!
This is called "being at the heart of Europe" by the politicians. And they wonder why most sane people want to leave.
Thank goodness for the ballot box!!!! Parliament and all the MPs' are living on borrowed time!!!!! Watch this space. - Mervyn, Warwickshire England, 30/9/2011 10:33========Mervyn, do you really think that voting the current lot out and voting a new lot in will make the slightest difference? They are all the same !!! Which government in this country has ever stood up to the EU to the point of refusing to implement their crazy laws? None! Not even Mrs Thatchers! If you really want action on this then you have to think outside of the box. You have to vote for one of the more controversial parties like the BNP or UKIP as they are the only ones that actually recognise that there IS a problem here and they are prepared to do something about it.
HOW MUCH WILL IT TAKE TO SHOW THE GOV.....WE MUST GET OUT OF... EU... NOW..............OUT...OUT...OUT...NOW
No wonder we have such a crumbling infrastructure - not only can we not cope with the numbers, the money goes on this sort of thing. What benefits we get from the EU I'm really not sure.
Sarah Surrey 10.39 - just give me the date and i will join you and we can both march on the EU parliament - who else feels angry enough to come along ? Come on everybody lets start a movement - we've all had enough of seeing our money go to the wrong people - this is a watershed moment for England lets look at helping English people first not foreigners - lets force the liar Dave and Liberal Nick out - bring in UKIP - if that fails we can form a new "common sense" party
Oh look Britain paying the way for people to live for free again but now it just gets worse because these people are just able to walk into this country demanding benefits :/ ... How about Britain help there own people before they get helping other immigrants who do not deserve a penny off our government until they pay there own taxes into the country... Absolutely ridiculous to be honest.
the dm does not want us out of the eu, get that through your heads, the only newspaper to support this move is the de. why bother paying tax people just to support these low lifes coming in. how much lower can this country get.
If the Eu will pay for all other countries to give the same benefits to all throughout the European Union, as we do in England,(which has been created and paid for by the British people) then fair enough, Free accommodation, money to exist, no council tax, health, etc I shall be the first to take advantage and pop of to Spain or the south of France, anywhere there is a beautiful climate, Claim everything I have not paid into in that country and settle down and let the indiginous population look after me. Oh and I forgot I will send for my the rest of my family too. They are a silly little lot in the EU parliament aren't they?
This was never what was meant by the original Welfare State many years ago. It's about time we called a halt to the crumbling EU regulations. Let's be an associate member like Norway -all the advantages and none of the disadvantages!
Maybe the EU would like to give the UK a further rebate on its contributions to pay for this madness.
Sounds like the EU are getting rid of all the scroungers and sending them over here. WAKE UP CAMERON CANT YOU SEEN THE EU ARE OUT TO DESTROY THE UK. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN JEALOUS OF THE WAY WE HANDLE OUR OWN COUNTRY. YOU CANT DO THIS IN OTHER EU COUNTRIES WHY US. ;LET THEM TAKES US TO COURT AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHO IS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY THE EU OR THIS GOVERNMENT.
Pete Harrison,Almeria Spain. That is not true. In Spain you must either have worked paying tax and lost your job through no fault of your own or been resident and signing unemployed for 12 months to be entitled to unemployment benefit €450 a month limited to one year normally but 18 months at the moment. Social services entitlement is after 2 years on 'el padron'. I do agree though we need a level playinf field in Europe.
Right Daily Mail. This is for you! Just go through your readers comments on this article to ascertain how many want the UK out of the EU.
You Can Only Blame David Cameron & Co (MPs) of being in the EU in the 1st place. Before the Election the Conservatives were against the EU then when in Power now Support the EU thats Betrayal of the English/UK Public. This Bunch of Muppets are as Bad/ worse than Labour was.
Lets get out of europe its a joke Im sick of our country being the benefits office for the whole EU. Can some one explain to me why they all want to come here, is it because we are a soft touch come on Cameron get a grip Its no good asking the labour partyto help it was them that give it all away
Then why doesn't this happen in CYPRUS? When we lived there and we had worked all of our lives without benefits the CYPRIOTS wouldn't give us any benefits and it was very difficult to find work???????Come on true BRITS lets all join together and let this pathetic so called government know we are FED UP TO THE TEETH with all of this.
But the politicians told us limiting the number of highly skilled migrant visa's to American's was supposed to stop all this.
Does this work both ways and mean that all our unemployed can go to Spain and claim their benefits there in the sun, I do not think so. In Spain you have to work for at least six months first - so why not here?
I voted for the conservatives with the reason being that maybe they would stand up to the EU dictatorship that the New Labour Traitors had given so much power to for their own gain.Why is Cameron following the same path,he is doing exactly the same and will not give the population a referendum on the hated EU.....what do we do now?
Go to Spain, there give you money ! like hell they will..... this country is a soft touch and gone mad ! !
Why is it that everyone is up in arms about this, if these people can make more money on welfare than they can in work, then surely as Tories, you would support the capitalist view that they have a responsibility to do this and maximise their earnings.
Run YOUR country how YOU want. Tell the EU that the UK will no longer comply with or honour rules, regulation or directives made by foreign entities or unvoted officers outside of the Kindom!
You have to be kidding. This is all getting out of hand to put it mildly. What games are the people in Brussels playing at.
the EU has launched a line of condoms, named the Eurodoms they are specifically for the purpose of screwing the british, they are paid for by the british government.
That statement by the EU allowing member states to choose their own rules for benefits is the root of the problem. If we have an EU all member states should have the same rules, that in turn would spread out migration. Or, we scrap the EU and all member states are truly allowed to make up their own rules. We, that is all the countries, can't pussy foot about like this
All I want is for our own people to be treated with respect in our own Country - can you imagine those BILLIONS each year and the benefits given to others how great our Country would be again and this before the BILLIONS we give away in foreign aid........honestly its a concerted effort by the RICH of the World to make us slaves!
Cameron you have got to do something about this. We are up to our eyes in debt , and the useless EU are telling us we have to let immigrants have benefits as soon as they arrive. Christ we will have the world coming here.,. You have to put your foot down to this. Any other Country does not do this . Get us out of this Madhouse before we are ruined completely. We elected you to run this our Country not some faceless wonder in the EU>
All I can say is that IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. The sooner Britain gets out of the E.U., the better.
If this is an EU ruling then they should be taking the Spanish to court. The Ruling in Spain is, if you do not pay into the system(280Euros per month) you are not entitled to any benifits, including Medical. It seems the EU is determined to break the UK. Time for the UK to stick 2 fingers up and say stuff you, we don't need you. Time to grow some Eds(Balls) David.
Maybe time for a ski season. Go to Europe and sign on and just ski all winter paid for by our EU chums. Might be worth siging on when ever I go on holiday in europe. Woudl offset the poor exhange rate with the Euro. Maybe the government should be offering free transport to our unemployed to go to europe and sign on their instead. Better weather etc for the unemployed to enjoy when they are busy doing nothing.
Forget giving them benefits when they arrive, for goodness sake LET THEM WORK AND PAY TAXES !! If they can find a job. Why is this government preventing them from working and instead dishing out benefits? Oh.. you can't work but you can claim benefits while your immigration case is being decided (which can take years as the Home Office is in such a mess). So what do they do.. they work on the black market and don't pay tax at all. It is a crazy situation and does not make sense for the exonomy. If people are contributing to society I don't have a problem with them being here but I have no time for spongers.
If this is true the Government better move fast & put in place a system which if you never worked or an migrant you cannot claim. The only help you will get is vouchers for food etc.
Time to say to countries like France and Germany that run they EU that Britain stands alone and should pull up the drawbridge and go it alone. What will the EU turn round and say next that we have to give these scroungers council houses as soon as they hit our shores. Europe has to remember that Britain along with America twice freed them from German oppression and dictatorship when no one else would help them so if anyone should be leading the EU it should be Britain.
Everyone who has not yet signed the government e- petition to get out of the EU should sign up NOW.
mit, hellhole 10.08. You suggest we all march on parliment, how about those of us who could afford to get over to Brussels, pick a day and go and march on the EU parliment. Or would that be illegal there, is it only here we could do that.
Our 'generous' benefits system, should only apply to people who through no fault of their owm have lost jobs, or are incapacitated. Not for immigrants, shirkers or anyone looking for an easy ride. Cut these 'generous' benefits, and people will not want to come to the UK. I live in Spain as a pensioner ex pat. We are entitled to NOTHING here, so why are the UK's rules deemed to be changed. GET OUT OF THE EU NOW.
haha our country is pathetic....ship them all back
I am a 57 year old woman born in the UK and have worked my whole life - 40 years. I have 10 years before I retire and claim retirement benefit but I cannot get any benefits whatsoever now. How is it people who pay in nothing get everything when people like me work all their life and get nothing. I am so cof me working again because of my age!!! Really helpful. Yet I am served everyday in shops by Eastern Europeans. My local council helpline was answered by an bad English speaking Eastern European who could not understand a word I was say and was not exactly "helpful" in any way whatsoever that I put the phone down in disgust. These people are coming over here and taking our jobs and in my case my livelihood as well.
So now, unemployed person in Europe can just get on a bus, plane or train and get a free life. When are our politicians going to realise that the EU is hell bent on sinking the UK and we need to be out.
Who are we calling "immigrants"? Did all these people come to our shores to take up a job? No-one should be able to claim "benefits" immediately. The welfare state, set up to relieve the appalling poverty at the beginning of the 20th Century, is being destroyed, for those of us whose ancestors fought for it, whilst others make demands who have no stake at all in this country. Many of these "immigrants" came here as "asylum seekers", unchallenged. If the law is that you must claim asylum in the first "safe" country you enter, no-one should be here, as they had to come from another European country in order to get here. We have nothing but spineless governments who will not stand up for our interests and cow tow to the European Union.
This government needs the b...s to make a stand and get out of the EU. We need to regain control of OUR country.
Get us out of the EU and their STUPID legislation!!!!! Let them pay for the benefits, how can they dictate where OUR hard earned money goes??? Madness
No doubt Mr Cameron will issue another ultimatum like he did yesterday on plastic bags.
English people who lost their jobs lose their benefits after being out of work for 6 months when they have paid their taxes and insurance. Why let imigrants have benefits that they have not paid anything for. The best they should expect us to give them are their meals and they could be housed by thier friends and relations who are already here. My son was looking for work when he left school and he was told he would not get benefits as he had not paid anything in. Is this fair?.
I say let them claim !!! just dont pay them any money..
How many times have the Germans and French flouted EU rules, and when they do nothing happens. If we don't get out of the EU (Forth Reich) then Britain is truly finished.
Can anyone tell me if this is the case on any other EU country? if not I vote that ALL EU countries raise their welfare standards to ours OR we ALL drop our standards to the lowest, just to be equal in this European state of 'ours'
This idiot ruling will bring here thousands of east europeans who will have 2-3 passports on different names. They will claim, as so many do now, housing and benefits 2-3 times in different places in UK. They will live in one house and the rest of them will be sub rented. With extra money received they are going to built palaces in their own countries. ps It is the truth.
I live in France - part of the EU - here, as a non-French national, you are not entittled to any benefits, unless you have worked/paid taxes for 3 years. If you can't prove that you can support yourself, then you are not allowed to reside here. If you don't work, and therefore not in the Social/health care system, you have to pay for your own private medical insurance. Employers must offer jobs to French nationals before they can be offered to other nationalities. If France is allowed to behave like this, why can't the UK?
This is a question to which I would really like an answer because I don't know. Do all the other countries in the EU even HAVE a benefit system and if so do they allow newcomers into their countries to claim them? Turkey, Romania etc?
Tell the EU to f@@k off. Its about time we withdrew from this club, its costing us all too much money. Mr Cameron, are you listening!!!!!
Thank goodness for the ballot box!!!! Parliament and all the MPs' are living on borrowed time!!!!! Watch this space.
YES PLEASE, TAKE US TO COURT ! this joke MUST end NOW !
Why does Europe hate us so much? they are trying to destroy us.
We as a nation have had enough of these foreigners telling us what to do in our own country. More and more this feels like an occupied country with the invading foreigners tell us how to live our lives and how we are to spend tax payers money. Enough is enough, if this the 'let them eat cake' moment so be it, bring on the revolution, we need our country back - it is staggering the amount of anger this sort thing causes and the politicians must just say 'no' - and if the useless EU want to fine us, fine, we will not pay it - then what will they do - kick us out, I doubt it we are the reluctant cash cow for the EU monster.
WHY DOESINT THE UK JUST GET OUT OF THE E.U IT IS COSTING US WAY MORE THAN WE GET OUT OF IT.IF THE E.U WINS THIS CASE IT REALY AND TRULY WILL BE THE END OF BRITAIN. WE ARE ON OUR KNEES AT THE MINUTE WITH THESE SPONGERS CRIPPILING OUR COUNTRY.HOW MUCH MORE TAX CAN THE BRITISH WORKER BE EXPECTED TO PAY.ITS TIME SOMEONE IN GOVERMENT STOOD UP TO THE E.U AND PUT A STOP TO THIS MADNESS
the answer is to CUT ALL BENEFITS to levels in the rest of the EU then they will have no reason to come plus we (uk taxpayers) will save a fortune
Tell that to the French!!! They know how to deal with the situation - don't they ever!!
Why oh Why do we Brits tolerate this clap trap. Where is the fighting spirit from our weak politicians Let us have a referendum or are you afraid of the result and loose all your promised E U perks when you move away from Parliament I wonder
You need a Referendum Folks sooner rather than later If it so be take to the streets at the Tories Conference in a democratic peaceful manner and insist that they give you what was promised in their manifesto. You all know what that was that's why you voted for them
I think that all these letters should be printed off and sent through the PM's letter box. It is what we think and what we want that should matter as top priority!
Now is the time for us all to vote for UKIP. They will get us out of the EU and stop all this immigration nonsense. Someone needs to stand up and shout "Enough is enough" Us Brits need to reclaim our country now before we sink into oblivion and become the minority in our own country.
My country is now ruined and I could cry to see what has happened to it over the past 30 years or so. Why dont we just say come on into the uk anyone who wants to,dont worry about money we will give you anything you need, housing ,benefits just come on in THIS COUNTRY IS RUINED. I cannot believe we once had an empire, built beautifull trains,ships, manufactured all sorts of things, I am ashamed to be english. If I could afford to leave I would.
Ok people calmdown, Europe is good for us I thinkthe bigger you are the better, paying out few millions to help needy people is not a big deal footballers are on a lots of money for nothing, refugees travelled a long way to get obviously for a good reason because you would not leave your country just to get free benefit?
Can you feel the anger boiling in Wetminster, no we cannot, because they are terrified of their own shadows. How amazing it truly is to hear nothing but silence from Cameron, and Clegg, two devout Europeans. Can we hear the roar of disapproval from the inert opposition, no we cannot, because they too are devout Europeans. Signs all around the EU alliance countries are pointing to the dustbin of Europe, Britain, that way. Go and demand your free benefits, you have our authority, say the dictatorial junta. This has all the hallmarks of a war, repetetive of wars one and two. The only difference now is, the gutless in Wetminster, approve of this open capitulation. That is what they believe, they forget about the passion of the people which is strengthening every passing moment...Stand by......
Why does the EU deem it perfectly OK to infringe the Human Rights of British citizens? Who is going to pay for the largesse that EU thinks we should be awarding people just for coming here? The EU?? All monies should be instantly withdrawn from the EU. They are a feckless, worthless, useless luxury that we cannot afford.
Does that mean l can come home(because l have a UK passport & English accent)and claim the 'rock & roll'?
Like I have said before in a language even the EU can understand " ***k off you bar- stewards"!.
Its amazing, every time I write a comment the DM will not post it, it may be insulting to the government but who cares the government is an insult to the people of Britain. I believe it is past time to stand up to the government, I think protests are going to be a must. The government do not take notice of what the people want as long as their pockets are lined and they are keeping the rest of the EU happy then why not make a laughing stock. I can tell you one thing, if this does not change the UKIP will be in power next year as they are gonna have mopre backbone than the quivering pile of jelly that we have leading our country at the moment. Time for an uprising people of Britain lets put the GREAT back into it.
Two words for the EU the second one is off. Bring on your court case. All we then need is a government with some spine to bring on a referendum.
If a person from another EU country claims benefits here then the government should claim all the money back from the persons country.
Tell that to the French!!! They know how to deal with the situation - don't they ever!!
I am a pensioner struggling to pay my bills and we give this money to the immigrants HOW ABOUT MY HUMAN RIGHTS ? get out of Europe NOW !!!!
PLEASE soneone arrange a peaceful march on Parliament to get us a referendum on the EU now! The money we woukld save could completely revamp the NHS and stop the planned cuts in police numbers, as well as freeing up a lot moe money for our military. For God's sake, something HAS to be be done about this!!
Everyone in the UK should vote UKIP or BNP...its the only way to stop this madness. The LibLabCons have all shown themselves as lily-livered cowards who will obey every dictat from their masters in the EU. They have sold the UK people down the river. Traitors.
Lets hope that David goes to court.... we do not want this to happen..
GET OUT OF THAT CORRUPT EU CAMERON AND DO IT QUICKLY OTHERWISE WE SHALL BOOT YOU OUT AND THAT IDIOT CLEGG
It's reading something like this that makes my blood boil, and can only be a legacy of the last Labour Government as now the EU seem to think we are total PUSHOVERS in this country. Blair gave up Maggie's hard fought for rebate, and Brown signed in Portugal without giving us the promised Referendem, no wonder they treat us like idiots. I think it's time we all told the EU where to flamimg go, and very soon!
Well, let the EU take the UK to Court (it will take years for the case to be heard) and then refuse to pay any 'fine' they may impose..........simple! What will the EU do then. Will we have the EU declaring war and invading us?
All we have to do is copy France who refuses to do anything they dont like . How many court cases have they got against them ? I hear its around 400
Why don't the EU make ALL pensioners get a decent and fair pension - is it because the Conservatives p[ted out of the social charter. if the EU was such a good thing why have they just employed another 60 people to spread the word?
NOW I KNOW WHY I HAVE TO WORK LONGER. GET A GRIP TORIES/LIB DEMS.
The EU orders Britain to pay benefits to immigrants as soon as they arrive. CAMERON if you accept this from the BRUSSELS BUFFOONS then you must be DISMISSED IMMEDIATELY. To hell with Brussels and their dictating to us, as a matter of fact it is time to round up all these " immigrants " and send them back. British people are working their butts off to keep these scrounging deadbeats who have never worked, will never work if paid benefits. GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW. As for them dictating to us, they have no rights over and above our sovereignty.........NONE! They are blatantly doing their best to bring us to our knees but they don'y know the resilience of the BRITISH PEOPLE and it won't be long before they will get a short, sharp shock. IF CAMERON WILL NOT GIVE US A REFERNDUM THEN HE MUST BE DEPOSED AND REPLACED AS PM OF THIS COUNTRY. HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A " YES MAN " a weak willed, weak minded poor excuse for a politician. TIME FOR HIM TO GROW SOME BALLS AND A BACKBONE.
I would like to know why the UK people have to pay to keep 600 odd MP's in luxury, when it is obvious that they serve no purpose at all. What are all their silly 'ayes' and 'nays' about when they have 'votes' in Parliament? They have no power at all do they? We are ruled by Europe now, we have to follow their orders, so why don't we just get rid of the MP's?
I say don't let them have the benefits, if you give them free money how am I supposed to get cheap plasterers and plumbers to finish my house.
please take us to court and lets hope the judges kick us out of the eu that is the sentence we all want
We need to get out of the EU fast for more reasons than I could fit on two sides of an A4 sheet of paper; but maintaining public order would be one of the reasons quite close to the top of the list.
We have the same problem here. People fronting up on small boats with no papers or identification, claiming refugee status. First thing we do is give them access to our courts, accommodation, meals, $2700 For phoning home and money in the pocket. Trouble is, it turns out they travelled through six or eight countries to get to the boat launching site in south east Asia, paid up to $10,000 each for the boat ride to get to Australia. Here's a new twist. The boats are nasty and cramped with a hundred peeps on board, so now they phone ahead saying the boat has issues, so our navy has to go out and "rescue" them. Once on board a govt vessel, they are on Australian soil and are eligible for the above benefits. These people aren't refugees, they're benefit tourists. Nobody has papers...they travel across many countries to get here....they pay up to $10,000 each to get the boat ride.....they are able to ring home to tell everyone they got here safely...what refugee can call home?
we are suppossed to live in a democracy,which should mean majority rule,so why is it that this and previous governments are not following the will of the people???.last night on question time it was quite clear that the bias hand picked bbc audiance was overwhelmingly in favour of withdrawing from the eu £280 million pounds a week could be used for better things,we would no longer have to be dictated to by brussels,trade with europe would not be affected as often quoted,the countries of europe need our trade,just count the goods vehicles coming into dover,europe would not throw away that trade.
Enough is enough - who will join me and march on Parliament - let's all withhold our taxes until "Call me Dave" wakes the f@@k up and does the right thing for OUR country - they cant jail us all The EU is a sinking ship - VOTE UKIP
I read this morning that TURKEY is involved with some decisions made in the EU is this one of them to make it nice and easy for others like Turks to bleed us ever more dry?
It's about time this government see the EU as a big a threat to Britian and the British peoples as the Spanish Armada or Hitler was. For a thousand years brave Britons have defended these shores against invasion only for the British governments of recent years to let us be invaded with open arms. Traitors is not too strong a word to use in respect to our recent political elite.
Is this what our grandparents fought Two World Wars for? We fought off two former tyrannies, only to be told, and ordered by this shower, to give handouts to spongers and parasites. Get out of the EU now. Where is our referendum, Camoron?
GET US OUT OF THE EU. WHATS WRONG WITH THE GOVERNMENT. IM SO CROSS. I dont even get child maintenance cos my ex husband is out of work. NOT FAIR CAMERON
@- Stuart, Glasgow, 30/9/2011 2:20 - I've never read such utter dribble in my entire life, I can only assume you're a paid propagandist or on the take from the EU yourself because everything you wrote shows you know absolutely nothing, actually I'm even q
Everyone but everyone should come out on strike as a warning at this suggestion. Bringing the country to a halt is the only way to send a direct message to all politicians that enough is enough and we want out of the EU. It's the working people who really have the clout in this country. No taxpayers = no benefits for migrants and for those benefit scroungers who could work, but wont work.
Employment minister Chris Grayling says this is a very unwelcome development.I am damn sure that those strong words will have the unelected E.U. pen pushers shaking in there boots.I don,t know about anybody else but my opinion is let them take the U.K. to there E.U. court let them fine the government,We has a country don,t have to pay how are they going enforce us to pay.I bet the statement by nigel farage is the edited version i think is words would have been intermingled with a few explitives.It,s time the people of this country told it,s 3 main parties enough is enough,Stand up to the E.U. or get out of the job.No other E.U. member states government cowtows to the E.U. lawmakers like the U.K..Labour& the condems will never change,its time for the people to make the change and put a party in power that will stand up and fight for the people of the U.K. and say to hell with the E.U. rant over i am off down the pub while there still one left open
We no longer have control over our borders or our legal system, Britain has become just a region of the European superstate. We may as well have saved ourselves the trouble of WW2 and appeased Hitler 70 years ago, where we've ended up is the same. How many more hints does the government need? Get us out of the EU, now!
OK so we have to comply, fine. Let's play the EU at their own game and pay all new migrants 1p per week.
I thought that the EU rules on freedom of movement were that anyone of working age moving to another EU country had to be self sufficient and not a burden on the host country social or health systems ie have an income either from a job or private means. Surely then if they have neither then the EU rules are that they have "no right to reside" in the host country. So why are the EU Commission causing a fuss on this. In fact why do we pay benefits to any EU immigrants at all?
And I order the EU to stick their orders where the sun doesn't shine. We need to play the part of the rat and jump the sinking ship.
Is this what the rest of the European Union does then, and offers them free health care and education, or will it just be us as usual. Maybe we taxpayers could collectively take the EU to the European court of Human rights. We have codes to takle workplace bullying, how about doing it on a bigger scale.
Everyone but everyone should come out on strike as a warning at this suggestion. Bringing the country to a halt is the only way to send a direct message to all politicians that enough is enough and we want out of the EU. It's the working people who really have the clout in this country. No taxpayers = no benefits for migrants and for those benefit scroungers who could work, but wont work.
When it comes to the next election this what we should ALL do. Ask each prospective candidate in writing two questions: 1. Are you for or against our membership of the EU? If against then: 2. Will you pledge to try to get us out of the EU quickly and honour this commitment by signing a legally binding document to that effect? Demand that they reply in writing with their signature. If they don't promise to end our EU membership, then don't vote for them. Even if all candidates refuse then none of them get a vote. Once a new government is in place we will all wave their letters and demand they keep their word or millions of us will act together to take unprecedented legal action to make them act and stage massive civil protests. In the meantime we must ALL ignore European directives. Let them try and take millions of us to court.
Message to EU." get stuffed."
WE NEED TO LEAVE THE EU NOW!! We have a natural border - the English Channel. So why are immigrants going to such great lengths to come here. Young men come from Afghanistan, Iran and other third world countries, crossing Europe and come here. They don't settle in any European country en route, they want to come here. France don't want them so make it as unattractive to the immigrants as possible and encourage them to come here, and we take them. Please could the DM investigate what benefits are paid to immigrants ,what housing and healthcare they are entitled to in other EU and let us know.
The Economics of this doesn't make sense,Britain gives 12 Billion $ P/A in Foreign Aid and is now being forced to pay an extra 3 Billion$ P/A in home handouts just where are all these people going to Live ? and Work ?. With a home Unemployment situation,a Housing shortage and a growing home Pensioner population, the Government Priorities are wrong.
Great Britain??? JOKE Britain
get out of EU while there is money left for the workers who have lost their jobs....and they said that BIG BROTHER was in a book and a film....welcome to real life in the EU
Stephen Booth, research director of think-tank Open Europe, said: ‘Freedom of movement within the EU has largely been positive for the UK' Really how so Stephen?
Bring thatcher back !!!!
moan all you like, labour are on their way back in and things are going to get better. we should help these people, they didnt make the rules. they have come to live a better life and labour will lead them to that life. milliban is a fresh breeze blowing through politics and the sooner labour are back in the better.
Well I for one would like the EU To "shove it" where the sun doesn't shine!!!!!
First let us model our eligibility rules on those of France or Spain and Bulgaria or Romania. Second, use our overseas aid budget to meet the claims of the spongers who have never contributed to the UK social security system or paid tax. Third, let the government's public accounts show clearly the extra burden on the UK tax payer of meeting EU rules which are foisted on us and run counter to existing government policy. Fourth, name and shame the Human Rights lawyers who take up these issues;
I can't for one moment blame the immigrants for taking these benefits,good luck to them. If Britain is stupid enough to have allowed such a barmy ruling like this to have become legal,then the idiots in power are the ones who should be made accountable. We shouldn't be blaming the immigrants,because if we were in their shoes,we'd be doing exactly the same as them. PULL OUT OF THE EU NOW!!
My heart weeps for this country.
I dont understand why we became part of the EU as we are a seperate island,and i will never class myself as a european.
It's time we we put two fingers up to the EU. They are scratching about trying to find ways and means of lessening the burden on the Eurozone countries. Along with the IMF, the EU wants more in the kitty as there are not enough funds to bale out their mismanaged countries and they intend for us to pay to save them. Merkel wants to keep the euro propped up because Germany has the most to lose. They changed from the DMark which had been the second strongest currency behind the dollar, the most foolish thing they ever did. The French are running scared because they have a huge amount of debt bonds. Europe along with the rest of World seem not to see that because they are perpetuating debt, it just keeps rolling around in one guise or another, that they are creating an even bigger bubble. As we all know, the bigger the bubble, the bigger the fallout when it bursts. The word 'economise' needs to replace the word 'austerity'. Forget growth pro tem, just let's be able to stay afloat.
How come we don't get any benefits when we move to other EU countries???????? How does that work?????????
Are rhese conditions recprical doethis mean I am entitled to the same benfits in any country belonging to the european community I mean in the UK it's bad enough having to pay benefits cheats ie those poeple that work for cash in hand yet still claim social benefits I know we have one in our family
This can't continue, I moved in with a partner and had my benefits stopped as they said I was no longer entitled even though she is on minimum wage and our rent and council tax is £7200 a year yet she earns only £10,200.. If I'm not entitled to anything then I'm sure as hell they aren't!! I am long term sick, and now I get nothing whatsoever, I would be better off living on my own then I would get a free house and money to live on.
You dont get benifits in any other country in europe unlessyou have worked for a period of time . No handouts nothing...Let Brussels take the UK to court ,then tell them to stuff themselves.
I see this no more than a deliberate policy to dump scroungers in the UK. This is Europe's revenge for our glorious past. Europe has always been bad news for this country. It was a gross act of treachery joining the political scam in the first place. The Quisling scum who have gone along with their designs should be tried for treachery. OUT NOW.
What is Cameron doing about the British Bill of Rights - all gone quiet !!! Britain is not necessarily the laughing stock, but the politicians who run your country are. However - all Britons will be equally guilty of gross incompetence and negligence if you continue to vote for the same politicians at the next election
Well you can have your UK/EU. This sort of thing which makes the UK impotent is one of the reasons me and mine have last week completed our house sale and are off to a new life in New Zealand.I'm willing to bet that in due course we will be followed by thousands of others. The United Kingdom ? Don't make me laugh.
The Benefits bill in 2001 was around £132bn The benefits bill last year was £192bn This is more than the whole of the NHS around £110bn employing 1.4 million people and the military around £71bn We need to get this bill down before it cripples the UK economy and drastic measures such as banning people requiring financial support from entering the Uk should not be ruled out.
Well it's not against OUR law. If this actually goes through, I'm getting the heck out of this country. I've seen honest, hard-working British people lose their jobs, hunt for jobs every day and see articles like 'Polish/Latvian/German speaking person required'. One was for FACTORY WORK. It's not on. If they can come here and claim benefits immediately from an already poor country, then there's no point being here.
Time for a Referendum, we need to get out NOW!
If this is allowed to happen we will have all rag, tag and bobtails Greece and the old eastern block countries heading over to the good old welfare state handout country of England. Get a grip Cameron.
Keep reading people begging conmoron to give us a referendum, just like miliband and cleggnut this government isn't doing anything for the people, you've got to do this yourself, stand up for your country like your farther's and great grand farther's did in 2 world wars. Your country depends on you now. This is a democratic country, don't make me laugh.
So wrong and so unfair!! My heart goes out to the pensioners of Britain who have worked all theirs lives, paid into the system, yet receive one of the worst state pensions in Europe.
None of this surprises me any more. Why, because we are so up the backsides of the EU, that we are powerless to do anything about it. Just like they want to move our clearing houses from London to Euroland, and impose a tobin tax which will hit our financial services sector hard, loss of jobs and loss of revenue. It is like a steamroller, on the path to destruction and the UK is clearly in its path. I am going to write again to my MP, although I am not holding my breath asking where my vote is bearing in mind they are giving over powers to the EU without asking the people of the UK. Enough is enough! I hope you're reading these bulletin boards Mr Cameron or your assitants are, because I will never vote conservative again, and would never vote for those other useless showers either.
Ivan, Poland - really?! What a pointless joke to rile people. What a load of parp! If your English was genuinely that bad, as shown in your writing, you wouldn't be able to read the article coherently.
Of course the EU wants to see this because it will encourage migrants to our Borders bypassing their own. A crafty way of getting France, Germany etc to lessen their potential migrants. This govt better stand up for the UK and say "no" or it's going to find a lot of unhappy Brits. The tide has been turning against the EU for some time and rightly so. I watched QT in Liverpool last night. What a fantastic lot they were. They're a credit; they stood up and spoke for the majority.
I have a message for all you Poms : At the coming Tory Conference - tell them if they don't get rid of Cameron and replace him with a proper Tory leader that has Britain's interest's at heart - then they are gone !! I watched the Labour conference the other night - and I make this prediction : If the Tories don't get rid of Cameron and Clegg - then the unthinkable will happen - Labour will be back in power !!
Someone pinch me to wake me up and tell me it ain't so. If all else fails then reform the Benefit System for everyone - it is long overdue!
If the EU carries on like this we will have a real Breakdown problem in this Country. Britain is being taken for a ride because we have always been seen as a good ride for foreigners to live in peace & get paid for their invasion. they are laughing, but we Britons aren't. Briton should get the hell out of the EU, they are a very dangerous regime to be associated with. They are taking away everything good about our Country & abusing it's generosity.
So when will the EU let Britons go to mainland Europe and do the same! We were in Holland this year but when the work finished we had to return to England, where's the justice?
Is'nt it about time people realised that despite honey words the Europeans have never forgiven Britain for winning the last war and are intent on making us pay now in any nasty underhand way they can think of. They will not be content until we are brought to our knees, bankrupted and made to suffer. Revenge is at the bottom of everything the EU forces on us.
Supporters of the international scroungers who pollute our land & destroy our unaffordable Welfare State should try pulling benefits in France or Italy. Those countries, who benefit from our EU membership, throw out any group they don't like. As do the Irish. Hence Dale farm. Hit the politicians where it hurts &vote UKIP or Eurosceptic candidates from Labour or Toties.
Two words for you EU - the second is 'off' and the first starts with an 'f'. No doubt our spineless politicians will just bend over and do it though. What can these unelected bureaucrats in Brussels do if we just refuse?
And who will enforce this with great alarcity- the good old british bobby. Hurrah for the police (as the daily mail headline from the 1930s sort of said).
This is only happening because politicians took us into Europe against our wishes,now these people are blaming the EU.SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ABOUT THE PROBLEM?
Are you ready for this! TURKISH officials are to have a hand in drafting EU laws governing Britain. Another brilliant EU scheme. Tell me I am going to wake up soon.
The U.K. Government will have to do as the Germans - oops sorry I mean Europe tell them
its time the british taxpayer took to street protests to get us out of this corrupt europe that is destroying this country before we end up like greece
How about a stand against these immaterial bureaucrats. What will they do if we fail to comply......if they impose any sanction will that be "against our Human Rights"........Come back Hitler and eliminate this dross!
Its time the hard working British taxpayer took to the streets now, against this outrage!WE HAVE SIMPLY HAD ENOUGH!!!DAVE, when you have sorted the plastic bags, can you do something anything to stop mass immigration and hand outs ????
We bombed Libya because we thought the majority of rebels need a change from Gadaffis dictatorship to democracy, yet we allow the EU to dictate everything to us. Is that not a contradiction to our policies. Cameron says he wants us to be USE. In my view it is a USEless idea & we need to get out. 2015 is too far to think of many changes.
So I assume that this rule is the same for every EU Country - right???? No wonder this Country is on its knees. What has the EU actually done for the UK? We seem to be the only member that adheres to what they say.
The longer this goes on I believe it is going to cause the start of another European war, which could eventually turn into world war 3????
David from Cumbria.Can you claim benefits when you arrive in New Zealand. Answer, there are so many benefits you don't have to claim for.Clean air,4 million people with a land mass more than the U.k. Friendly people.No E.U. No capital gains,no stamp duty,no inheritance tax. No t.v.licence,and the best is no Tony Blair. But you have to be here for two years before you can claim monetary benefits .
This is not Democratic, as only 650 people are in favour of joining the EU,and they already have nice comfortable seats in our Parliament. However the rest of us are entirely against joining this corrupt organisation, and even if we were ever to be Consulted, we would still say NO!
How about just not letting so many migrants in? Don't we have enough people here?
The basic problem to Britain being a successful member of the EU - as opposed to just a cash cow - is the centuries old resentment that we have invariably punched above our weight - and always paid our full contributions in money and military aid to the United Nations commitments and the umpteen bail-outs and the ruinous Common Agricultural Policy. These sort of "attacks" are merely a legalised way of getting at this country and the sooner Cameron and Co, appreciate our history AND DEVELOP SOME BACKBONE THE BETTER.
The Coalition Government MUST stop this nonsence once and for all. David Camereon MUST withdraw us from the EU. UKIP here I come because your policies are more in line with the demands of the English and sensible people must stop this rot. Our once world famous Nation has become a cesspool of the EU. Many of whom are lesser Nations who owe us a debt of gratitude for our loss of blood on their behalves in two World Wars. Our grave sites in Northern France and elsewhere are still a stark reminder. Nigel Farage - speak up!
They want to ruin us!!! Its pretty obvious now someone is out to get revenge on us!!!! and they are getting away with it, What message is this sending out to the world,come to Uk for free money and free house... free school... and free Nhs. This is pure madness and no wonder we are broke,this would not happen anywhere else on the planet. We need to fight back now because we will end up with nothing, we have been infiltrated and are being taken for idiots...when do we wake up and take control of our country!!!!!
Mr Grayling says we will fight this. Simply say no we will NOT comply with this EU diktat and if you dont like it throw us out of this rotten club. Bring it on. No more bailouts for disfunctional European states, no more EU red tape, no more funding over paid EU bureaucrats, no more handing over millions of pounds of our taxes to EU. Bring it on now.
C'mon Dave et al, grow a pair and stand up to these non-elected overpaid eurocrats. No contributions, no benefits. These immigrants are only here because the UK is such a soft touch. Shame that those UK citizens who have contributed have to jump through hoops when they really need help.
Then can they do the same to Spain, where I have heard you have to be able to prove you've been paing IN to the system for a set amount of years, before you are allowed to take anything OUT. No? The stuff off Brussels, whaddaya ya gonna do sue us all. I will give my vote to the first politician that stands up to these overpaid, underworked, self important, nosy, meddling, pointless wastes of space.
EU membership is all about the re-distribution of wealth ours to them!!!!!!!
The game is over anyway all we are doing now is fighting over the scraps, The country is finished if you want proof go to any major city in the uk.
Does this mean that I can go to any other EU country and get their benefits straightaway? NO. Why does the EU single out the UK every time? How can France, Germany and Holland get around the rules but the UK can't? It's nothing more than bully boy tactics by non qualified people in a European court who haven't anything better to do! If they apply this rule to the UK why can't they ensure that every EU country does exactly the same? It's an absolute joke and a waste of taxpayers money.
Residency test? What is that, if you can't speak English, become a doctor or nurse or sign on, or stand in the street handing out the big issue.
We want REFERRENDUM !....We want it NOW !
that does not make sense. I have friends who moved to Spain and Germany and no benefits for them. After 5 years in Spain working my friend was able to get unemployment insurance. There is no "dole" in the EU anything like in the UK. Even if you are spanish, its very hard to get anything. Germany is more generous but its so hard to get it most immigrants never, ever can. even one friend who is German and moved back after 89 years in the UK, no benefits. and of course in eastern europe there are no benefits at all. period. Obviously we are doing something wrong here, but i resent going to work this morning, thinking my tax will go to those who cant be faffed to get out of bed.
The EU are right. If we are going to allow unrestricted numbers into our country we have a duty to house them, feed them and give them benefits. This means building massive numbers of new homes for immigrants together with the necessary infrastructure to educate, medicate and serve their needs. I cannot see anything wrong with the EU decision---as long as we are part of the EU. WE as a nation need to decide are we in or are we out. My suggestion is for a referendum within 12 months and for the decision of the electorate to be binding on the government. I will be voting NO to the EU because this country cannot cope with the numbners already here let alone the millions who are already planning to come and not just fo the EU. If the government do not listen to the people and carry on as they have for 5 or more decades we will have to have a regime change--but be prepared for the consequences because it will get ugly.
This is what being in the E.U. is all about. The U.K. is told what to do and as usual we roll over and obey. The rest of the E.U. do as they like and only do what is in their best interests, we do the opposite. We should only do what is in this countries interest and stop the interference by the idiots that think of new ways of ruining this country by stealth.
It's not fair to expect out PM to deal with this. He is only one man remember, and he's already got a lot on his plate, worrying himself sick over carrier bags !!!!!!
NO,NO,NO,NO! This is THE test for Mr. Cameron. If he gives in on this one then my vote - and hopefully millions of others- will got to the party that puts Britain first. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Bet this doesnt get printed! If any of you were wondering why thousands of bikers took to the roads last Sunday, we were protesting against the EU and another of their ridiculous plans, no home maintenance allowed, no adaptions or modifications allowed, bikes over seven years old banned from public roads, computersised spying on bikes which can be randomly stopped and plugged in to find out where we have been and what speeds we have attained, the list goes on. The results if this is passed would make four wheel vehicles next on their list. We got hardly any media coverage but at least we made a stand, until everyone stands up to the idiocy that is the EU we will die as a nation. There were over 50,000 of us UK wide on Sunday, can you imagine if everyone made a stand against the EU, it can be done its up to all of us, if we want change we have to make our voices heard.
Wake up, Cameron - Not only is the lefty bureaucratic, wasteful incompetent inert EU on the verge of imploding, but its greedy vastly overpaid pointless jobsworths are still having the cheek to tell a sovereign nation what to do OUT NOW, MR CAMERON - before the whole ruddy lefty shambles drags us all the way doqwn with it
Every day, the BNP is shown to be right, again and again.
So, has France paid up for banning british beef yet? I don't remember them sending the cheque.Tell them to get lost and if they insist, just leave the damned club.
- Ivan, Poland, 30/9/2011 9:26............ And we want to integrate this into our English Heritage??????......utter lunacy
were stopping benifits for the disabled etc,so whats all this about,we make our own struggle and give it to scroungers from abroad,typical,we need a referendem now,stop turning a blind eye cameron,every time he is asked the question he snubs it away,people are sick of this ,your not listening again cameron.
Oh please there isn't a country in the EU that fully complies with all the directives issued by Brussels, France certainly doesn't and she doesn't get fined! Brussels picks on us because we have always been a decent law abiding country. Let them fine us I would rather pay a fine than bail out Greece! But more seriously ,now is the time for a referendum on our continued membership of Europe. So Messrs Cameron and Clegg if you want to serve more than one term in office do the decent thing give us a referendum and let the country speak for itself!!
Our hinterland has never been limited to Europe. We are an independent people of wide horizons and the open seas. We also love our ancient freedoms. Most European nations have only a short experience of democracy. They are accustomed to being ruled by tyrants of one sort or another, especially bureaurocrats. Loyal Britons despise the EU and want none of it.
WAKE UP BRITAIN
i'm sure the eurounion are out to destroy Britain and to beat us into submission. Please get us OUT and let us show europe that we don't need it.
If you take early retirement and go to live in Spain, there's no free health provision. Perhaps the UK should look at this anomaly.
Yes Cameron tell us again YOU are in charge!
VOTE UKIP.
Why do we still need Westminster when we have Brussels ? Some money to be saved here,and a really nice hotel complex to be had on it's site too.
When is David Cameron going to give us a vote on Europe???????
Chairman Mao told you how to effect change if you wanted it. It wasnt going Blah! Blah! Blah!.
Stephen Booth the research director of the think tank Open Europe states that mass immigration on the whole has been good for Britain,did he not see the recent report that stated that immigration has driven down wages and peoples living standard,its obvious that the one thing Mr Booth does not do is think.
Hang on a minute...Dave has a more pressing-issue. We haven't solved the plastic bag crisis yet !
F U Brussels again
The EU orders Britain, who the hell do they think they are? I didn't think anyone orders Britain, but then again that was years and years ago, now people of this country just sit back and take whatever is thrown at them because we have lost that fighting spirit. I could never have seen my grandfather's generation stand for what we are standing for now.
Why isn't this your headline story????
OUT! If the EU is a reciprocal open market, why aren't the countries that these people are coming from simply paying them benefits whilst they are here? A bit simplistic I realise but...... No wonder the Euro's going bust. These people can't manage a sensible idea between them! If they keep spending our money for us we'll go bankrupt too, and as it's us who keep bailing out these losers, who'll bail them out after the've bankrupted us?!!
We need a new party that reflects the will of the people of this sick country not the dictatorship we have at present in the Westminster trough who are slaves to the rotten with corruption e.u.
I want come england and marry beutiful princess, i like the english, i not do work as i visit countryside and see london eye. i want child be born in england, my country not good skools. i love you peeples.
No, no, no, no, no! This is abusing the human rights of those who have worked and contributed to the State system. By handing out benefits to those that have not contributed it is little more than theft. Genuine asylum seekers I have no problem with but not economic migrants. If they want to come here then we should be saying that you can't take anything out if you've not put anything in.
How about voting to get out of the EU now, the european courts are infringing our human rights to not have to work to pay for immigrants who we dont want in the country anyway. Well past the time the UK people had their own revolution, peaceful of course. I wonder if some other country will donate what is required to pay these people said benefits ??? I doubt it .
So any person from the EU would be able to claim pension credits and income support but a UK pension who has retired in another EU country cannot even though they have paid taxes and NI to Britain for more than 40 years. This is criminal. The EU is bent on bringing the UK to its knees. Wake up Cameron get us out of this dictatorship.
We are such mugs! The EU hate us. Why do we continue to put up with it? They want to forcibly change everything about us. We need to protect ourselves from them. OUT! OUT! OUT!
When I read this article I had to check the date (It is not April 1st), but this is a joke right? Then I realised that for 600years various European countries have been trying to control Britain, without success, but furthermore we have come to their rescue a couple of times, which these countries resent. Now they see their chance to get their own back by slowly destroying Britain, through this unelected Quango called the Commission. They rule the EU - the European Parliament is a farce. Who will save us? Only ourselves by voting for the party sworn to get out of the EU. Namely UKIP.
Human Rights ? Don't make me laugh....or should that be cry ? HMG spent millions of taxpayers pounds to use the EU Human Rights legislation to get out of indexing linking my and other pensioners fully paid up UK pensions simply because we now live in former Commonwealth countries. Now that same legislation is being used against HMG. "As ye sow ...so shall ye reap"
Let's face it - we are the laughing stock of Europe. No UK politico is ever going to say no to Brussels when they all head there to collect their riches after office. Just look at Blair for example. The people of the UK need to stand up and be counted. Support Nigel Farage and vote UKIP
Is there no politician willing to just say "No, we're off. and we're taking our £20billion plus a year with us and spending it on ourselves". If we did that, and kept the £14 billion a year given away in oversea aid, wouldn't our economy be sorted out within a couple of years?
The EU seems to regard Britain as a threat, and something that must be destroyed as quickly as possible. Every tax, surcharge etc seems to have been designed to have maximum destructive effect on the UK, and the British public has quite rightly had enough. . I hope this government has the guts to stand up to this one and face it down. Good luck everyone. - A. Howlett, Manchester, 30/9/2011 10:08>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent comment reader. But I wouldn't hold your breath though,we are enmeshed in a Master Vision which was formulated some 50 / 60 years ago.They,the Eurocrats,have taken us to the very cusp of non-existence as a National Identity and despite warnings from our people,OUR successive Governments have simply dismissed us and ploughed on regardless.As the saying goes...you reap what you sow ! The game really is up for us and we had better get used to it.
I think this is fair enough if ALL other EU countries have to do exactly the same........but I bet they don't. I also ask about the `Equality Law' whereby all us UK born citizens have to have paid in for 2 years before we can claim anything. Answers on a postcard please to your local MP.
Definitely time to quit the EU, it's done nothing for us just cost cost cost to every tax payer in the UK.
"Britons never, never, never shall be slaves" ...... erm, wanna bet?
Enough of this madness..get out NOW.
Basically the Benelux and original ECSC countries decided they wanted to bleed the whole of Europe dry, their weapon of choice the Euro. Their plan back fired when Britain refused to join. Now they have decided to get rid of their historical thorn in their side by other means. Our traitorous government is going along with this. This country needs a revolution now, or it will simly be annexed to France, they have already drawn up the maps.
I am sick and tired of the EU dictating so called rules and laws,this one however will promote benefit tourism from poorer EU countries!! We must understand the EU stands for the re-distribution of wealth this is just another example how they hurt hard working taxpayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every tax payer in the country should refuse to pay tax until we get the referendum we all want..to get OUT OF THE EU AND ECHR. Bring back the good old British values and to hell with this useless dictatorship. If this government gives in to this I for one will be marching on Downing Street.
So we pay the EU £2.46billion less membership fees each time, to counteract their stupid idea. Then perhaps we can get out of the corrupt dictatorship.
There is such dictatorial madness the other side of the English Channel that if there was a call to arms for UK independence, I would gladly, willingly join.
How come the UK is obliged to hand out cash to everybody? If I demanded so much as the price of a loaf of bread from the Spanish authorities they would laugh in my face.
Can I claim benefits in sunny Spain ?
There needs to be a independent review on the future of the UK in the EU. It needs to be shown what we contribute each year to the EU pot and what we, the UK, actually get financially from the EU pot each year and if we benefit from exports etc to EU countries. Then depending on the results we get to vote on the future.
Hang on a minute! How does that work? I "migrated" from the UK to France 10 years ago and I still can't claim any benefitsench system. I was never out of work from the age of 15 and paid all my taxes never claiming a penny from the state yet because I "migrated" to France before UK apart from basic pension, not even fuel allowance. Something is drastically wrong with the system
You just watch that chinless wonder Cameron give in to the EU demands. A jellyfish has got more backbone than him!
Sarah, Bournemouth, 30/9/2011 9:05 - yes you could or do what alot do that are 'ex-pats' get their benefits paid to them in the country they now live in. Yes I have just been reading about it you can continue to claim jobseekers allowance for 3 months after moving to another country as long as you claimed before here, you can get your incapacity benefit paid to you still, interesting reading. So not only do we have to pay immigrants coming in we are also still paying benefits to people moving abroad.
When is a mainstream party going to grow a pair and say "enough is enough?" We have not had a say on new countries joining or how the British justice system is nothing more than a rubber stamp for judges in Stasbourg. unfortunately, Cameron, Clegg or milliband has the spine to say no.
Whoever is saying we should do this, does that person honestly think that people in this country only work to benefit others while we struggle week after week to pay our own bills and keep a roof over our heads? I have a feeling that pretty soon these people WILL push us too far very, as there is only so much people will take.
Barroso - Napoleon - Hitler - Mussolini ?- what's the difference. Ah, I know, Barroso conquered the UK and without a shot being fired!
We are now being milked for every penny we have. Surely enough is enough.
These deluded Eurocrats are like the elite in France or Russia before thier respective revolutions, will history repeat itself I wonder?
I want come england and marry beutiful princess, i like the english, i not do work as i visit countryside and see london eye. i want child be born in england, my country not good skools. i love you peeples.
Get us out please, the people voted you in to do your best and the best thing would be to Get us Out, Quickly.
This is simple - just ignore the ruling and tell them to take us to court - what can possibly happen - will Europe attack us - will they use violence.. I think not. If they impose a fine - easy... don't pay it. What are the british sooo afraid of - why do we always immediately comply with whatever johnny foreigner orders us to do... Where is the Dunkirk spirit of this Island race gone. Has it been watered down by generations of immigration. It is time that we got out of Europe.
EU laws do not insist that we hand out benefits to migrants as soon as they arrive in the UK, but they do insist that the UK treats other EU citizens exactly the same way we treat UK citizens. There is nothing stopping us reforming our welfare system completely to stop people treating benefits as a lifestyle choice. I am as fed up with homegrown spongers who have never worked a day in their lives as I am with migrant spongers. There is also nothing to stop us introducing a voucher system to ensure that UK benefits are spent within the UK and are spent responsibly. For example, child benefit vouchers could easily be restricted to grocery shopping (not booze or fags), children's clothes and books etc. We need to stop blaming the EU for everything and sort out our own very flawed systems because we are creating generations who don't understand that you need to work to eat, and that providing for children is the responsibility of their parents.
So if I wander down to the Spanish social security will they shell out to me if I start spouting my human rights , No ? I don't think so either, If British Politicians cave in over this they may as well quite and let Britain be ruled directly by the great unelected in Brussels PS who actually voted these people in
And all I did was vote to trade with the EU. Have Politicians lied to me? It is time for another vote on the EU, because in a democracy if Politicians lie, we should be able to put it right. Otherwise it turns into a dictatorship where unknown foreigners make rules without the will of the people.
Will they be enforcing that every other EU country offers the same standard of benefits to all EU immigrants and have the same restrictions or non restrictions they are trying to implement over here? If not I have only two words for the idiots over in Brussels, the first starts with 'F' and the other word is 'off'. I will be marching on Westminister and refusing to pay my tax if they allow this abuse of our taxpayers any longer... How is it fair that the Taxpayer funds these benefits and yet cannot claim them? And they want to give thousands more to people who have never paid a penny and never will contribute to our society...? Just another way for the EU to strangle britain and its finances until we have to go begging to them for help just like Greece...
Never mind, we're going to get a pint in pint glasses and allowed to buy eggs by the dozen. We surrendered a hell of a lot a few years ago to win the battle of the sausage including democracy and lots of brain cells to so much haggis.
And I suppose our mr cameron will say yes This is total poppycock, the dutch do not give benifits to migrants, they have to work in the country for 5 years. so tell the EU to take arunning jump
I have lived in Spain for the last nine years and have never recieved a cent from Spanish system. As far as i know i cannot claim anything anyway. I did not come here to sponge anyway. We pay our way on a small pension. Why should Britain be any different. Are we not all equall ?
Lets invite the whole of the Greek population to come and live here. It wouldn'd do us much good but it would solve the Greek situation overnight ! ! And my other 'good idea' is for us to get out of this EU club altogether. Mr. Cameron - LISTEN!
For gods Sake the countrys already on it's knees,Why should I a pensioner still work trying to boost my pension,pay tax ,to be handed to these immigrants who are arriving in their thousands, not contributing one penny to the system,What a disgrace, has nobody got the balls to get this stopped or are they too busy counting the revenue from carrier bags.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS GOVERNMENT LISTEN TO ITS VOTERS, GET US OUT OF THE E.U. AND GET RID OF THESE STUPID LAWS AND GET BACK TO BEING 'GREAT BRITAIN' AGAIN!!! IF WE REMAIN IN WE'LL BECOME BANKRUPT AND OVERUN WITH PEOPLE WANTING AN 'EASY TOUCH' !
'...the rules infringed the human rights of EU citizens.' The usual source for all complaints and it's now obviously an EU wide wheeze! Even the French complain that Britain's over-generous benefits system is a magnet for those migrants camping near Calais. So, there are two possible solutions: firstly, Britain refuses to obey this demand on the ground that benefits must be uniform across the EU or, secondly, as part of the present reforms, all benefits become contribution based. In the latter alternative, there is no discrimination in EU law where this requirement applies equally to everyone - British or foreign - with, say, a minimum record of two years of NIC payments.
Thank you Mr Blair, Mr Brown, Mr Clegg etc etc. This is what you have allowed to happen to OUR country. This was not your country to give away, you never asked us if this is what we wanted. Instead you plotted in secret to import this cheap labour to suit your policies. Can someone tell me does Germany, France, Italy etc extend such a system to EU member countries? Or did their politicans see the harm this could do and avoid it?
Susan, France, we were not so soft when we saved your sorry French asses, or when we battered you time and time again. French poodle.
The EU also want all schools across EU countries to have compulsory lessons from age 5 in European Citizenship...now that is really frightening.
I am an Ex-Armed Forces member who was pensioned out of the service after 25yrs due to injury. I am classed as 80% disabled and have to fight continually for benefits which still to this day I am embarrassed in taking. Periodically I am means tested and have to prove my disability otherwise my benefits would be cut or stopped. Only recently I was stopped a benefit because my wife now draws a state pension. In other words ~ Although I do not like receiving benefits I need them but am constantly worried they will be cut at some stage. Now you tell me why others who have not contributed to our society should be treated better than myself? I paid a price for my disability but I am still proud of the 25yrs active military service I gave.
Are you listening Cameron, you fool, get us out of the EU, if not clear off, and and hand over to someone who will get us out, for pity's sake. This country is heading for third world status and you are incapable of stopping it, in fact you seem to be encouraging it. What is wrong with you Cameron, can you not see beyond the end of your nose what the future holds for Britain? DO SOMETHING. AND DO IT NOW.
I hate all that the EU stands for.
Last night the European Commission said it would take the Government to court unless it draws up plans to axe restrictions on claims by immigrants, saying they are against the law and must be scrapped........ against whose law please? Mr Cameron,please have the balls to tell them to go forth and multiply. And get that referendum out now. If not then kindly pay my expenses to emigrate to Australia. Oh, I just realised. I can't go there. They need skills, youth or old people with their own money. (and their own medical plan). By, their rules are a bit tight aren't they?
In other EU countries, you cant just arrive in the country and claim benefits, you have to have a social security number and a residency permits!
It appears one rule for the UK and another for the rest of europe. Try claiming benefits in Spain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell is going on and why do we bother to elect a british government that now needs permission for almost everything it wants to do from the european gastapo???? Something has to be done, I have no problem with being a part of europe as it was originally formed but now it is getting very very scary!!!! I wonder whether the english language will gradually be outlawed???? The europeans dont seem to like us very much, the way we are treated,although they do like getting their hands on our money even if we dont have any!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!
Message to the EU: "UP YOURS" (With 2 fingered salute)
No British Government, has ever been given The Consent of The People, to join the EU!
DAVID CAMERON !!!! REFERENDUM REFERENDUM REFERENDUM !!!!! Where is ours ??? We have had enough of this s***e !!! get us out of europe now and if you cant ? get yer jacket on and leave office to let someone take charge who can !!! This is disgusting and a slap in the face to every hard working uk citizen who pays you tax !! Even Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask when robbing the public !! UNLIKE YOUR GOVERMENT
I feel that all protests to our dear leader ( Call me Dave) will be in vain.He has clearly stated his preference for all things EU above the UK. The three main political parties ,deride UKIP as a single issue Party (this is absolute nonsense) as anyone visiting their website can verify. There is however ,one issue where all concerned meet The question of UK membership within the EU. UKIP wants our UK to be freeof the soul destroying tentacles always grabbing for more ,and to regain once again our inalienable right to choose our government within a free country The other three Parties are in favour of COMPLETE and FINAL integration to an alien entity.. We STILL have the right to choose,but NOT for much longer .SO couch potato,s arise you have nothing to lose but your FREEDOM.
The EU seems to regard Britain as a threat, and something that must be destroyed as quickly as possible. Every tax, surcharge etc seems to have been designed to have maximum destructive effect on the UK, and the British public has quite rightly had enough. . I hope this government has the guts to stand up to this one and face it down. Good luck everyone.
Out of the EU!
Are you angry enough yet? Are you prepared to get out onto the streets to take OUR country back from OUR politicians who want to give it away? Because UNTIL YOU ARE prpared to ACT (and not just moan about it) you'll keep getting htis sort of thing stufffed down your throat
Clearly this is deliberate provocation. They know the British people hate the EU. Clearly the EU hates Britain.
I wonder what Poland would reciprocate with their benefits-system? We would probably get 1 Zloty and a tent!
we need to get out of the EU ,whilst there is still a bit of britain left.
it really has come to this. bossed by nothing countries, based in a nothing city. the EU is an abomination. we need to get out before our, once great country, disappears forever. i want MY human rights.
ordering briton to pay benefits to migrants straight away, why dont the eu order other countries to do likewise, ie spain
We are all Governed by Consent in this so-called Domocratic Country. I hearby remove my Consent to Follow all/any EU Laws. Anyone care to join me?
What a load of total rubbish!!!! With the Euro going down the drain and all the cuts we are having imposed on us, these people are in dream land.take NO NOTICE and see what develops. What is the worst case situation, be forced to leave the EU, that's a growl from a tiger with NO teeth.
I think I speak for the majority of the country as I say 'the EU can f@£k off'
Honest question, as no one ever seems to talk about it, if I were to move to another euro country could I just walk in and ask them to support me without having ever worked there? I used to live in Belgium and had a wonderful time, but had I needed help I could not have got it untill I had paid tax for a year, which I thought very reasonable. Has it changed so much in 20 years that now I could move there or any other country and get help whilst looking for work? I find that very hard to believe. Also is there a chart somewhere with all the different countrys benifit obligations? As I would very much like to see that!
The European Commission, The European Commission, The European Commission. It's all we hear... Like me, I bet just about everyone else in the UK is fed up to the back teeth with these unelected, unaccountable and overpaid faceless bureaucrats infringing on our lives. Let them take the government to court, and while we're at it, give them notice. We quit!
Up until Tony Blair came on the scene I was a committed Labour voter but it took me about two minutes to size him and his ideas up and have voted for UKIP ever since. If every person who is fed up with the EU does the same at the next general election UKIP will win by a mile. It won't take a revolution or rioting on the streets to change things, all it will take is for everyone who is tired of being ripped off to use their vote properly. It's up to you folks, think seriously about it.
Because we have a different currency the EU think that we should pay benefits to there misfit scroungers, what sort of idiots are we ?.
NO! NO! NO! Mr Cameron stand up for Britain and say NO!
The EU makes a complete fool of the UK. Time Mr Cameron to give the people a referendum on our being part of the EU and let the people decide. Time for the UK again to make its own rules and conditions for life in the UK and not being made by Eurocrats who should not even be in existence, and certainly should have no influence on how the people of the UK choose to run their lives.
Amazing the UK still think they can do what they want, but we the Europeans tell the soft Brits what to do. - Susan, France, 30/9/2011 8:52 What an insulting comment!! Do the French hand out freebies to all and sundry that turn up in their country - oh no!! I forgot !! You just send them over the channel to England. If it wasn't for us "soft brits" during WW2, you wouldn't have had the freedom you have now - or maybe we should have just left you to it. This is about paying out money no country can afford, not just doing what we want. The world is in debt in case you hadn't noticed!!
The time to leave the EU was due like yesterday! This is absolutely stupid, and if this weak government give in to this then they shouldn't be suprised at all if there is a complete revolt from the British public. Yes this is the United Kingdom but I think some on the EU have taken that title literally! Which other EU countries hand out free benefits, housing and health care? Time to shut the gates on immigration until this country has pulled itself back out of the gutter, then I'd like to see tighter restrictions to enter the UK. Do as the Aussies do, make it law that benefits cannot be applied for until 2 years after arriving in the country. I hate what a soft touch this Country has become.
WHY are we still in the EU-Where are the benefits???????////
The political elite in this country will not allow the British a referendum on membership of the EU, because they know given the chance the people would overwhelmingly vote us out. Same as the politicians in Germany have voted to pay more to the Euro bailout slapping the face of the German people who 87% did not want the increase, these corrupt, self serving parasitic politicians should start listening to the people.
"Yesterday members announced they were considering taking the UK to the EUÂ’s Court of Justice if it does not scrap the test" +++++ Please do just that and at the same time we will hold a ballot about membership of the corrupt organisation know as the EU and I think the EU knows what the result would be. I will never again vote for a party unless they guarantee to come out of the EU which has proved to be the root of all evil.
What is the Government trying to do to Brits who have lived in another country for a while and decided to return to their home country to find that they have to wait 6 months to get any benefits, where immigrants come into the country and get payments immediately. Is that the thanks we get for living in England for 35 years working continually and giving everything to our country. What has happened to Justice?
IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND WE DO NOT GET OUT OF THE EU, PREPARE FOR A REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem here is that Britain has a very generous benefits system and what the EU is saying is that it must be equally available for all. In Spain we have NO benefits, so noone gets them, neither the Spanish nor foreigners. In Spain the very most you get is unemployment, once you have worked. Here you are entitled to 6 months unemployment after two years of paying into the social security, and the maximum time you can be on unemployment is 2 years but you must have worked at least 4 to be entitled to that. In Britain it is just too easy to live of the State.
If anyone can come to the UK and milk the system, then it must work the other way too. This country no longer encourages hard working Britons to stay, so why should we? The EU has provided us all with an escape route - just up sticks and move to another country who will welcome us all with open arms and a nice fat benefit cheque. This country can then be left to the criminals and rogue politicians who have infested it with their self-serving bile. Why do France, Germany and Italy get away with protecting their own? This is the new 'warfare' aimed at bringing down Britain and its financial heart to the same level of the rest of the failed Eurozone. That is communist thinking for you. Everyone down to the lowest common denominator except, of course, the tiny ruling elite. This is exactly what happened in the USSR - millions of people were displaced and moved to other parts of the 'Union' in order to water down national tendencies. A shining example to us all - NOT!
So when they come across the channel from France, they will already be drawing French benefit will they? Thought not.......
How does this work??? I cannot even get JSA and I have worked and paid in to the system for years. Please listen get out of the EU NOW. Make us a proud nation again.
We are all Governed by Consent in this so-called Domacratic Country. I hearby remove my Consent to Follow all/any EU Laws. Anyone care to join me?
This is fantastic news to all British born unemployed people. Don't shiver in the UK this winter, just pop on a coach to the South of France and spend the winter in Nice at the French Governments expense. I quite fancy spending the winter in Marbella Spain. I'll book an Easyjet flight to Malaga then get the Spanish Goverment to house me and feed me while I top up my tan. Isn't Europe wonderful..! After all, these Euro Rules must work both ways... What's that you say..? No I can't do that..? Oh I forgot, it only applies to Europeans entering Britain and not the other way round..!
Let them take us to court. We too should sue them for accepting membership without the electorates approval. We want democracy not dictatorship by anyone. We have Cameron complaining of plastic bags, but does nothing about these crucial matters. Lets dump all the big political parties into plastic bags because they will increase pollution in future years. If USA or UK can veto against UN resolutions, why don't we have power to do the same to EU?
Amazing though I have freinds who have worked all there life who are denied access to certain benefits! Did we really win the war I doubt it!
Get your head out of some Plastic Bag Cameron ! Start BEING a Leader instead of just 'acting' like one ! Where are MY Human, and Financial Rights in all of this ? YOU and the Shylocks in Whitehall DO NOT CARE about the British Public ! Only about what THEY, and their family can get out of the UK, by the secret deals, and ripping off thew UK Tax Payer ... YES ! I am one of those UK Tax-Payers. More's the pity ! Let the Immigrants draw their FREEBY Benefits from any Brussels Post Office, with an EU-GIRO ! Keep them on YOUR side of the English Channel !
It'll be interesting to see what Cameron does on this latest interference from the dictators of Brussels. His record to date has been fairly pathetic and the clock is ticking for him and the Tory party.
I would urge everyone to watch some of Nigel Farage's speeches online. He is the man that this Country needs to put the 'Great' back into Britain. Straight talking and full of common sense. He really is inspirational.
It really is time to leave this farce........
Get out of EU and scrap the Human Rights Act. As the clever meerkat'd say...SIMPLE! - Steven, Surrey, 30/9/2011 08:17 The expression is "SIMPLES"!
After working for 38 years I suffered a accident which forced me to claim Employment and Support benefit I have been told by my doctors it will be a long road to recovery. The Government is trying to past through Parliament at the present time which will take effect next April, you be only allow to claim for Employment and Support benefit for 12 months they will expect you to go to work on crutches if you not fully recovered. So when I am struggling to go work on crutches my benefits will be paid to European nationals who have not contributed one penny in taxes but the commission are not interested in British nationals they interest just looking after their foreign friends it makes me absolutely ****** angry
Another attempt by the EU to break Britain. We cannot afford to cough up billions to keep the fat cats in Brussels AND pay benefits to anyone who comes on holiday! Yep, the EU wants to smash this country - time we left. We won't let the door hit our butts on the way out.
Since when has scrounging off the welfare state become a 'Human Right'?
Hmmmm. I wonder whether I could tip up in Warsaw totally skint, register immediately, and receive the vista of different benefits, housing, free medical assistance for me, child benefit for my kids who live in Britain, job seekers allowance in exchange for 2 minutes a day trying to find a job, free education, free mobility car for my disabled mother in law etc etc etc................Please tell me I can, anyone? If this is not possible, we need out of this corrupt, unaudited country club who prey off hard working British tax payers. And please, don't tell me this is not happening here anyway.
Well we are apart of the EU so lets start building social houses for them so they can reside without us hampering their 'uman rites'
Plenty of hair raising EU headlines in the papers - but as usual a deathly silence from our elected leaders. Why can't they come out and tell it's all too late to fight the EU - or they completely agree with the electorate and are working on plans to sever the EU link. This 80MPH limit on motorways is now common in the rest of Europe - so we now have to abide by another lunatic rule. Read Christopher North's book - The Great Deception - and pull your hair out, weep, scream - and slowly go into raging insanity.
Well, if that is the case, can I take the EU to court for a refund of all the proportionate tax and national insurance I have paid for over 50 years to fund these FREELOADING PARASITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How ridiculous is this, we are trying to sort out our benefit entitlement to our own people, mainly making it more fair that only people who are entitled to benefit will get it. Now EU tells uis we must give entitlement to any Dick or Harry that come here from Europe. We must fight this , EU has no right to dictate to us, especially now when we are trying to sort out the to clear our debts. Government must fight this to the end and get out of this incredible EU.
I'd really like to see if Germany, France, Belgium, Poland or any other EU country would hand me generous benefits if I moved there. We have hundreds of thousands of scrungers coming from all over the world after hearing how easy is to live here without having to work, while our pension, maternity leave, sick pay schemes are the worst in the EU.
How come the idiots in Brussels demand this of UK when in Spain and most other EU countries you can only claim benefits if you have paid social security contributions there?
Soon we'll need a British Embassy in London and consulates all over UK.
"Not so many complaints when Britain was robbing the world through colonialism, well now the Empire strikes back. ......." - dui daag, Manchester, 30/9/2011 7:48............................................First - the Empire did not include Europe except, perhaps, Gibraltar, so it can hardly be called "striking back". We did, however, use our army and the Royal Navy to help to free Europe from various dictators, particularly Napoleon and other French leaders and, of course, the two German Wars (WW1 &2). Secondly - in "robbing" the world GB did what many other European nations did. Sure, natural resources were brought back to GB, but we did leave a lot behind when we left - railways, ports, local infrastructure, a political framework and, of course, the knowledge, skills and influence to continue exploiting those natural resources. (BTW - the Empire HAS struck back - Jaguar and Landrover cars and British Steel all belong to the Tata family of India!).
By What means can the EU impose or enforce this? If we just said "f*** off", what could they actually do?
Here we go again. How many 'migrants' go to Brussells rather than here? Not many cos they probably have tighter controls. If I were to lose my job, I would have a massive fight on my hands to get ANY benefits from this government and I have paid into the system for over 20 years, and they would probably take my home off me and give it to a migrant!
There is one solution- the EU should demand that every country has to offer the same levels of benefits as the UK. This is essentially what is being asked for after all, except that at present, the EU bureaucrats only want that to happen in the UK, funded by the UK.
even I as a none EU! That's so unfair considering they haven't contributed a penny and they can just get money.
So us Brits have to work longer and pay more tax to get a pension just so others can hop over to the uk and claim benefits! That makes so much sense?!
Time to play the WITH HOLD tax game. dont pay in until you know what your taxes are going to bring in for YOU. Wake up
So heroes from the second world war lost their lives in vain. A pointless wasted exercise. Can you get benefits in any other part of the EU if so I think I will emigrate to spain and claim benefits. Not bad!!
Why do we owe them a living???
To - EilentMahnki, Sandwich, Kent, 30/9/2011 8:03 - I guess that you haven't read the comprehensive UKIP manifesto? Definately worth taking a few minutes to read.
What is the matter with our Government letting Euro courts telling us what to do with Immigration we don't want the rubbish over here any more and they should not be entitled to benefits unless they have been here in at least 2years a job It's crazy we are becoming the dumping ground of the world. On Flight to Poland 3 years ago in in flight magazine contained a pull out leaflet saying 'Welcome to Britain, you can claim Welfare Benefit , free heath service, Job seekers allowance and we will even find you a home, I was disgusted when I read this WAKE UP MR CAMERON GET US OUT OF EUROPE NOW, before we all go broke.
Some of us recall fondly the time when we were leaders of a so-called "commonwealth". So how come we now find ourselves at the periphery of an organization that, far from creating wealth, has been steadily sucking the lifeblood out of our nation for some 30 or more years? Let's get out NOW for crying out loud before this monster devours us completely. Another nail in Britains long road to cultural and economic suicide. Don't expect Cameron, and the traitor Clegg to do anything though. They are quite prepared to throw the country to the dogs in order to hold onto power.
Until all EU countries obey all of their laws things will never change. If every countries welfare system was available to all immigrants, none would come to britain because it's to damned cold here.
IN germany to be eligible for unemployment benefits people need to have worked at least 12 months in contributory employment in the previous three years prior to the benefit claim and Italy you can claim if you have worked just 78 days in the last 12 months SO whilst the government are touting that £2bn will be lost to benefit tourism, what about the £3.5bn lost each year to error which is more than benefit tourism (if it happens on that scale - doubtful) and benefit fraud combined??? spin spin spin andmore spin to blame others when their own mistakes cost more than all the other issues combined
The EU are bleeding our country dry, is this some kind if perverse punishment?!
Its about time our P.M listened to the hard working people of this Country, And tell the E.U. Go to hell, Its now time to close our Border`s , As this Country is flooded with migrants As its so easy for them to claim benefits here, But also I would like to see published the benefits of being in the E.U, They say its our main export market, But what do we export??? As it seems we import more from Europe than we export to them, lets have all the truth what is the benfit of being in the EU Come on P.M. tell us
What happens if we Brits want to claim benefits in other EU countries, will the European governments of every member state give us the equivalent of what every immigrant can claim in the UK on an equal par. Free housing, health care, job-seekers allowance, income support, child benefits, disability allowance etc. etc. I thought not. Referendum Now. Get us out of this dictatorship.
Here am I , born in Britain of British parents ,My Grand father was one of the jarrow hunger marchers. did my bit in the army, and worked and paid taxes every day for 50 years, never been on the dole or benifits, , but denied a full pension because I was a few national insurance stamps short, And I have to pay taxs on my small private pension and full council taxs as well. Arrive in this country with out paying any thing in to the system and get money thrown at you , what an insult to the British people,
Amazing the UK still think they can do what they want, but we the Europeans tell the soft Brits what to do.
Up the revolution!
It is time we left the EU and then negotiated a new trading deal with European countries. The amount of anger all these intrusions into how our government runs this country is huge and for the focus groups or Lord Ashcroft's polling to say that Europe is not an issue with the voters is misleading and inaccurate. Ask the voters re the individual issues in their daily lives that Europe has issued highly unpopular diktats on, and the response would be a massive thumbs down - closure of post offices, wheelie bin collection, the light bulb fiasco, the benefits for those not even working here, the creation of white elephant regional authorities and all the accompanying bureaucratic structures, the requirement to build large numbers of new homes each year to house the immigrants that the EU obliges us to take, which are way above what our infrastructure can cope with, the 20 mph in all urban areas...Ask the voters do you agree a non democratically elected organisatn should dictateUKpolicy?
More proof if it were needed that the EU does NOT benefit the UK itsa costing uis a fortune each week just to be in this club of losers, never mind the loss of sovereignty and self determination. For heavens sake VOTE UKIP if just this once and lets get some sanity back into our government.
Yet another reason to leave the EU.....
It is going to be great when we leave the E.U...I hope they keep pushing the UK! Soon we will be free of these money wasters...I see it everyday in Spain!
Bring back National Service. That should sort out the immigration problem. Straight into 'Boot Camp' They'll soon think twice about coming here for a soft touch 'Hand Outs.
They are going to be in for a right shock when they find out they will have to pay 5p for a carrier bag. Serves em right....
With plans being proposed for a tax on the financial sector, which just by chance will mainly impact the UK financial sector, and now this nonsense the EU will bankrupt the UK has it has Greece, Ireland, Portugal, etc. Enough is enough from this bureaucratic very expensive disaster called the EU.
Welcome to the United Kingdom of Brussels!
Why cannot the Governments of all these immigrants be sent the bill for their benefits? It's a genuine question. On the other hand, can I go to France now at the age of 60 and and be given a house and retire on a good pension paid for by the French taxpayer? Cannes or Nice would be very nice and the weather would suit me. Bet I can't!
Is this to encourage immigrants to favour our country rather than others in the EU? Hence they won't be bothered with the problem of immigrants flooding their Country and we will and funding them as well! The added attraction of a free-for-all benefits-system will encourage this. Does the same benefit-system apply in France, Germany etc.? Just curious. They can afford to dictate to us, we can't afford to not stand-up for ourselves.
I think Meerkat and Sarkozy sit in a room and think of inane ways to stick it Britain because they know we are the only nation who obey the rules.
It,s time for Cameron to stand his ground and tell yhe EU cesspit that there is no way this is going to happen [ but I xery much doubt he will ] as he is a wimp
We are in a War, and ........we are loosing. Day in Day out . We are now slaves to the EU, forever ?, And the attacks on us Have and Are, being aided by our treacherous Politicians in ALL 3 main Parties. Tell your grandchildren how nearly ALL of You , voted for ALL of this time after time. In addition you will unhappy to know, that there is a LOT more of this s**t to come. So do what you normally do,...go back to sleep. ...Or start fighting back.
We need NIGEL FARAGE at the helm. The only politician on the scene right now with an ounce of backbone.
HERE WE GO AGAIN this blasted stupid EU telling US what to do when will this Cameron get a Back Bone as tell them that this is OUR Country and that HE is running it NOT the EU and also take us OUT of the EU .--- WE do NOT need them we have the Trading with other Countries without them
Its about time the people of this country made a stand on these issues, this is the Europe we were fighting seventy years ago for a dam good reason, no other country in the world would put up with this cr p!
let's start by reducing benefits for everyone. It's only fair - workers have all suffered a reduction in living standards - and it would make the UK less attractive to benefits tourists as well as making our own folks more inclined to work. Then we can leave the EU, and return the truck-stowaway 'asylum' scroungers to France where they legally should have claimed it in the first place. We have become the 'welcome' doormat of the world, and we can't afford it.
So presumably a family of two parents and say, eight children, will be able to come to Britain from Europe, without work, and claim all the benefits - including housing, education for the children and health care for the whole family? Frankly, some Europeans from poorer (and less generous) countries would be foolish NOT to come here. A lot of Brits would probably up sticks and move elsewhere in Europe if they could massively increase their standard of living for themselves and their families - yet not have to work. Don't blame the immigrants - blame the arrogant, faceless, undemocratic bureaucrats who foist these rules on us. What happened to the notion of free people having a say in how their country is run? The whole EU project stinks. The EU political machinery is constantly devolving power away from the people whilst amassing more power for the faceless ones.
Another damn good reason to get out of the EU once and for all! I'd like to see whom in the EU who Voted/Sanctioned for this. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
And our t****r of a Prime Minister is more concerned about Supermarket carrier bags !!! You couldn't make it up !
Why, In this country we have different benefits that we cant claim because of where we live I.e will the EU now make Scotland give free Prescrition to the english, along with free tutition fees and elderly care. Come on we cant have one ryule of one whilst anothwer gets away with it...........
Former NuLabour government was much more lenient towards immigrants then most of the other EU states governments were(are), giving them rights and benefits that no one even asked for. Not many things have changed since ConLib coalition took over. Leaving EU is the sanest choice, but itÂ’s not that easy to get out now or any time soon. Even with Britain out of EU, not much will change regarding immigration until the British ruling parties realize the full danger to the county and the society of disastrous immigration and benefits policy they ALL have been promoting for the last decade or so. LetÂ’s just hope that it doesnÂ’t happen too late.
Another reason to leave the EU.
'Stephen Booth, research director of think-tank Open Europe, said: ‘Freedom of movement within the EU has largely been positive for the UK but issues surrounding benefits and social security are understandably very sensitive.' Notice that people like Stephen Booth rarely qualify their statements. On the odd occasion they do it's by way of meaningless platitudes such as 'we are more vibrant', 'we are enriched'. The truth of course is entirely the opposite with strain on our health service, education, housing, and job opportunities.The only people to benefit are employers who gain cheap workers and those who want to destroy the fabric of our nation to create an EU superstate.
Get out NOW. . . . Send all the criminals etc., who have claimed "human rights" to stay here, back to their own countries. . . . . . WE did not fight Two Wold Wars to let others destroy our country. . . .
The political elite in this country will not allow the British a referendum on membership of the EU, because they know given the chance the people would overwhelmingly vote us out. Same as the politicians in Germany have voted to pay more to the Euro bailout slapping the face of the German people who 87% did not want the increase, these corrupt, self serving parasitic politicians should start listening to the people.
GET OUT! GET OUT ! GET OUT ! OF EU NOW AND SCRAP HUMAN RIGHTS,EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH LAST NIGHT OF THE PROMS,It makes you think how great our country should be,But it just gets worse,Get out of Afgansistan ,Its not our fight,The Eu is just costing us to much,And they keep dictating all these rules are we a communist state now,Where is it going to stop?
If the U.K. has to comply with this what about FRANCE ? To qualify for any benefits there you have to work and pay into their system for 12 months and you still have to pay for your health care costs up front. Why didn't everyone vote for UKIP ? We need to leave the E.U. as soon as possible, new year maybe?
So now basically the whole of Europe can have an all expenses paid holiday in the UK. I'm actually laughing because it is so absurd I find it hard to believe our useless government is actually considering this.
Ah, yes, that's all very well, but will they have to pay for their own carrier bags that's what I want to know. Perhaps David Cameron will let us know what his thoughts are on that issue. While he's doing that I suggest that all you Europhiles start listening seriously to what Nigel Farage has been warning us about for years.
Can somebody tell us what happens in other E.U. countries. I live in France and I'm sure the French don't pay benefits immediately to immigrants. It's time this financial gain on non-contributoting immigrants is stopped once and for all!
If ever there was a time to tell the EUn to shove it, then it's now. No more dictats and no more immigrants!
I lived in the Eu for some time and had no benifits, health support or any other help extended to my family, not that we needed or asked for it, as "we paid our way" and relied on no one. Why is it that people that travel to the UK to work, then run out of money?, they should set out a time period to find a job in which their money will last and prove they have the means to live while here, otherwise return to where you come from. The time scale for putting money into the UK should be at least 2 years, yes 2 years, without taking from the honey pot they come to to UK to feed from. Mr Camaron withdraw from the EU ASAP.
You all voted for this by voting for the LibLabCon. I realise you have some excuse in that these parties along with the support of the media deliberately kept you in the dark. UKIP has realised for years what 'ever closer union' meant. Whatever you do, do not vote for these people again now that you know the truth.
Why don't we invite the whole of the Greek population to come and live here ? It wouldn't do us much good but it would solve the Greek problem overnight ! ! ! And if we all squeeze up a bit we can probably find room for a few million from other 'worthy' parts of the EU ! My other good idea is to just get out of the corrupt, expensive EU club altogether.
I hope the DM continues reporting these cases where the EU are really sticking their noses in to OUR business. The referendum 36 years ago was to confirm joining the Common Market with market being the operative word. The EU has now become a fully-fledged bureaucracy which is fine for those countries that want that type of government but the PEOPLE of this country DO NOT want this. The PM must call a referendum on continuing membership of the EU and let us have someone to put the facts before us – costs, laws, un-audited accounts etc.
the second word is 'off'.
Isn't it time we just said NO!
Not a worry folks, we just send the bill to Brussels. Actually what we do is deduct it from our EU contributions. The fact is that the europhiles can prevaricate as much as they like but they cannot stop us doing it. Eurozone now equals trash with little power and this includes the overated Germany. Dave needs to get his finger out and remember that he is a member of the Conservative party. Get on with it - Steve, Birmingham, 30/9/2011 7:34....................................The Conservatives, Steve, have forgotten what the word (to) 'CONSERVE' means. It seems they, with their Liberal DUCKS, and that other great institution of the British political scene, the LIEbour party, don't consider Britain and it's unique heritage and culture worth CONSERVING anymore. Traitors all - all 640 odd of 'em
EVERY PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY WANTS OUT OF THE EU SO WHY ARE WE STILL IN IT,? START LISTENING TO THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY YOU CON ON A DAILY BASIS...
At least we will now find out how much backbone our Government has.
So does this mean I can drive to Paris and demand a flat and living expenses from the French Government..? Do you think they will be waiting there with a big fat cheque for me..! Will they hell..!
Remember the wise words from Mrs. Thatcher - NO NO NO !
Try getting benefits which as a UK resident you are fully entitled to!. The hoops you have to jump through make it extremely difficult.. Perhaps if the UK government granted benefits to its citizens living abroad it might ease the strain on public services and the NHS back home. The country into which a claimant has been paying tax for their lifetime should be responsible for their own citizens claims in which ever country they move to. It would appear this new development is to encourage (force?) European governments to standardise their benefits systems so that moving from country to country gives no immediate advantages (apart from job possibilities) and bring us closer to a federal United States of Europe. I wonder how Scandinavian countries deal with this complex issue as their benefits system is much more superior than that of the UK
it is simple UK...... GET OUT OF THE EU!!!
...is that what they usual get anyhow....and get 5k in cash and the accomodation fully funished and get extra benefict to send to they family back home..even if they havent work 10 miniuts in UK...is NOT only Uk...is all EU....and gest where the idea start from?????
The EU put the knife in years ago, now they are turning it. The EU is now one of the biggest unelected bullies of the world, time to say enough is enough or we will become a 4th world country very soon. They are trying to destroy nations and they are succeeding, we will have no national identity at all soon. Time to stand up and fight this monster !!
Now the EU orders Britain: Let migrants claim benefits as soon as they arrive in UK. my own answer, Sever ALL ties NOW.
Let Europe take UK to court, then chuck us out of Europe. This would be the cheapest way to extract ourselves from the " Euro club "which we don't want to be part of anyway as a referendum would show if any Government was brave enough to have one
Great, I have just been told that dying of cancer does not qualify me for Pension Credits, money that Works & Pensions are no doubt saving; putting back for the next influx of foreign scroungers.
I WEEP for thee, my country. To all of you who are saying vote for UKIP or Labour or BNP - they are all the same. There is NO political party who looks after the interests of the British people - they all lie to get voted in and then change their minds once the have the key to number 10. I just wish someone could explain to me how France and Spain can simply ignore EU rules to suit themselves. Have we, as a nation, become so spineless?
For an unmoderated board it sure is hard to get a comment on here......3rd attempt today!
Alan, Beverley is right!!!! I worked in this Country for 20 years before I left then when I came back because of a natural disaster - no insurance 'an Act of God' I could get no help whatsoever and worked three jobs at one time to make ends meet. So not only is this totally wrong, there are jobs out there to be had if you are prepared to do whatever it takes.
Can we start a you gov poll to leave the EU and it's nonsense behind??!
Like the French do eh! TIME TO LEAVE THE EU - DAVE just what don't you get about this?
I dont know what else needs to happen to make people in this country demand our withdrawal from the EU and march on parliament.
...So can we have our referendum on whether to stay in europe now Dave ! - Greg, Coventry, 30/9/2011 8:34 David Cameron has given the British people their answer on whether there will be a referendum. During PMQs & directly to Herman van Rompuy, he said, 'No, never, no!' If you want the referendum on whether the UK stays in the EU, you can VOTE to get it. It means putting your cross by UKIP in the European Elections in 2014 (sending a clear message to the LIBLABCON), & in the General Election by latest 2015 (earlier if the Conservatives & LibDems fall out). Even a one-time massive vote for UKIP would give the British people the referendum. The LIBLABCON will not give the British people any referendum on Britain's EU membership because they know that the UK will vote to leave, & that is not what they, the political class, want. Watch Nigel Farage in Brussels & Strasbourg on Youtube. He is fighting to give you & your children's children the democratic right to a simple 'yes' or 'no'.
Aren't our MPs supposedly elected by the people to do our bidding or have I missed something? No one wants the EU meddling in British affairs. Come on Dave time to sort it out.
LA, London 07.56 asks, "What are the benefits of being in the EU"? A question I have several times put in writing to the PM & to MPs. The nearest I had to an answer was from the PMs office. It said, "We have the benefit of freedom of travel across borders"! With respect that is one 'benefit' we would be far better off without! Can anybody give a proper & sensible answer to the query of 'LA'? Our government surely have no idea! Hence we urgently need that referendum. With the savings made from our EU 'fees' our national debt would be rapidly cleared.
I really cant comment on this article because the amount of expletives would probably put me in nick. UKIP, BNP tell us your views.
The UK MUST leave the EU before the European commsion bankrupt us!! WHY does the UK government not have a referendum?? It is what UK citizens want!!! Surely politicans are elected by the people for the people, or are they elected by the people for immigrants scroungers????
Why should we give these idle scroungers our money and allow them to use our facilities which the British people have built up and paid for over many generations. Let's just get out of the EU and send them packing back to where they come from. We have enough bone idle scroungers in our own population anyway without more!
If you migrate to France or Germany you get zilch, no assistance, no house, no benefits either you must be able to support yourself. France and Germany are also members of the EU and subject to the same rules, Why is it that only England listens to all this twaddle, My guess is there is an underhanded deal afoot to (well for those that can) to abandon ship! And the moment has got to be soon,
Join UKIP today and get involved to try and stop this madness.
There must be a lot of hatred among those overpaid beaurocrats of the European Commission and its all directed at Britain.
This sounds like a threat from the EU. If we don't help finance the Eurozone they'll make life difficult for us. Well now is the time for our government to step up to the mark and do what the people expect, if not?
Now is the time to tell the EU to go to hell Sadly however our gutless govt will give in as usual
There is little wonder the EU is falling apart with idiots in Brussels trying to enforce stupid rules. This country should leave the EU and let them imploded. Give us a referendum now and see just how many people really suppost being part of Europe.
Why do we bother with politicians and government when we have obviously been sold down the river without a paddle. We may as well be run from Brussells. Our forefathers must think we are a right load of losers and deserve everything that comes at us due to our greed. Enoch Powell is laughing at us right now!!!!!!This has got to STOP>
I HATE the fact that a bunch of people I didnt vote for and neither did anyone else are telling us that the taxes we slog our guts out to pay into englands money pots, are going towards supporting new comers, when we have friends and family or know of people who were born and bred here, have lost everything due to the economic situation and they get sod all by way of new homes paid for, and all the benifits that these people are going to be offered. Its a ****** disgrace! We can only hope that the Euro crashes soon and we pull out of this way of life damaging experiment. Who the hell do these parasites in brussels think they are? Us tax payers pay enough as it is, what about us? What about us having a quality of life? Sod bringing even more spongers into our country to bleed us even more dry. Its wrong on so many levels, I dont even know where to begin
Come you Brits cough up and save the Euro and while you are at it pay benefits to those we send over to you! EU language day last week , we really should have paid more attention, we could have learned how to say ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,off in 27 languages.
I am entitled to exactly nothing from the state as a UK citizen living in Czech Republic, probably this is true of everywhere in Europe except the UK.
lets just open the floodgates a bit further and screw the real british taxpayer. OUT OF THE EU NOW!
Cameron needs to just ignore this edict and let the unelected EU Commission take the government to court. Whatever punishment they decide to hand down, simply ignore that, and any further punishments, as well. What could they ultimately do (apart from throw a tantrum), expel us from the EU?
Very little to say - had enough - no ranting - simply action ..... UKIP for me.
Reading between the lines it's a legal way for the EU to force the UK to contribute further towards the European debt crisis. For every person that travels here to claim benefits it's one less for their own country to pay out for, reducing their debt and increasing ours.
It's time to leave the EU....way overdue. There is nothing stopping us trading with the EU like every other country in the world. It's just that it's not the Common Market that it was set up to be all those years ago. There are sinister overtones to what they are trying to create. Lets not be part of the grand experiment.
EU HUMAN RIGHTS CRAP AGAIN ! I think I may also have to vote UKIP next time as clearly the Tories & Libdems have no back bone at all! Really thought David Cameron would do more to make England great again but guess not.................And theres no way I'd give labour a second chance.
Why have we, or those in charge, given so much of the running and power of our country to Europe. It is our country why can't we make the rules.
Nigel Farage and his party UKIP have had the right idea for years, if only we had been listening.
and this wonderful in theory idea is being paid for by a reduction in mep's salary or more tax for the workers,,,you decide as we live in a democratic society
The EU can f*ck off.
What the commission really means if that they want them all to come here to live and claim benefits. Who wouldn't want to come here when they can get everything they wanted for free including medical treatment ? When this country needs now is a vote to get out or Europe. I would want that to happen sooner rather than later.
The EU is a wolf in sheep's clothing! This is dictatorship!
I've always said that what this country needs is to give more money to foreigners.
Do we really need a referendum about the EU? I think we all feel the same and want to leave For those pundits who say we shall pay more for goods, well so be it but we shall pay a lot less to Brussels and we shall keep our national identity, or hopefully win it back and might find our backbone too For now we are sink Britannia, lets get Rule Britannia going again
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! Will SOMEONE in Whitehall please grow some b**ls and get me (AND MILLIONS LIKE ME) out of this EU CESSPOOL?
If this government had a spine it would put two fingers up to the EU. Get out now, surely we didn't sign up for this kind of pressure and abuse. The Human Rights Act has become a huge joke, and a very bad one at that. Thanks to the Blairs and Nu labour the UK has become the cash cow for the rest of the EU, something we can ill afford. Is there one MP in Westminster who has the backbone to stand up to the EU, if not, time for an election.
Great news. I hate working, have a poor education and have no skills. It's hard here in Eastern Europe living on the low benefits they give me, my wife and ten kids. Looking forward to our move to the UK so we can live a good life in a nice million pound house in london, plenty of food and nice clothes you good people will provide for free. See you soon x
The EU might be bad but for some reason it seems the British government actually wants all these immigrants otherwise it would do as Germany does: throw you out if you don't have a job or money in the bank. It does NOT hand out benefits, health cover, housing etc to new arrivals. Perhaps Cameron should explain why he interprets the rules differently - for cheap labour? Check it yourself. Absolutely true.
Get out, get out of the EU now. Are you forced to be a member ??? Oh my God this is driving me mad. They are going to milk you dry. Leeches
The time has come for the people of this country to rise up and tell this goverment the time has come to leave Europe for good. I am not working my butt off for some EU bearaucrat to sit on their fat ass for 30 hours a week and dictate rules to us, nor am I prepared to put money in the pocket of Greece or any other country that is not prepared to work a full week. Britions rise up and claim what you have worked and paid for, a free Britian.
What a bunch of idiots the EU are? They cannot run there own economy properly and are now trying to lay down the law on us now! If it had not been for the British and the Americans there would be no Europe - let them not forget this. Let them take us to court, hopefully it will cost the EU lots of money and put the Euro into even more debt. To all members of the EU Government I happily stick my 'middle finger' up at them.
No, no, no!!! And do not even think of letting Nick Clegg, or any other of his like minding pals, anywhere near making the decision at this latest attempt to wipe us out. Politicians be aware, agree to this at your peril. The electorate has been patient up until now with the madness of the EU, but we are getting very near to the 'worm will turn' scenario.
Can't stand the way this once great nation is bossed about and dragged down by the EU. We've become little puppets.
Get out of EU and scrap the Human Rights Act. As the clever meerkat'd say...SIMPLE!
OUR rights to benefits is tested, never mind an immigrants. I have been unemployed for 18 months, and have not been able to claim a penny, as my husband works, and I didn't pay enough NI while I had a job. So now every Tom, Dick and Harry can come in from Europe, and get benefits that I can't get? THIS HAS TO STOP.
For pete's sake tell the EU to get stuffed an as most of us feel, GET OUT OF RUDDY EUROPE BEFORE IT BREAKS US.
How quickly can we DEMAND a General Election ? There is a danger of the Western World collapsing into another 'Wall Street Crash' and our lily-livered MPs do nothing about the bullies in Europe. Loan sharks could learn from these thugs.
I was an immigrant, and am now a dual Canadian-British citizen, but I lived in the country for 10 years before I would have been able to claim any form of benefits and feel that that's how it should be.. anyone coming to the country to work, wouldn't feel it was infringing their human rights, they would feel as though they should earn that right and most like myself, who've never been out of some kind of employment for more than 3 months and never claimed any kind of benefits.. there is work out there, i'd flip burgers or clean rather than be on the dole.. all the powers that be are doing is creating a society that feel they're entitled to something for nothing.. no wonder Europe is bankrupt!
Why do people get so annoyed with this? We all know what Europe stands for so by voting for the appropriate parties ...why be surprised? You all know the answer.
We should ignore the EU diktat. Only those born here should get benefits. We do not need a load of welfare scoungers from Eastern Europe coming here. We have enough here already.
To all the readers who are saying that they are voting UKIP from now on, I'm right behind you! The other parties are all as weak and as useless as each other. It's time for a major change and Nigel Farage is the man to do it!
How about Human Rights for the british taxpayer.
So how come in Spain you have to have paid taxes etc for 360 days before being entitled to any benefits? Or is this a 'different' EU??
It's good to see people are starting to wake up and realising that the three main parties are all controlled by the EU. UKIP is the only answer. I suggest people get involved and join the party. We need to free our country from brussels before it's too late!
Someone please tell the European Commission to go and boil their collective heads.
David Cameron if you don't get us out of the EU, I will make sure to vote Labour for the rest of my life.
Beyond belief. Britain cows to the demands of foreign politicians that we didn't elect, whilst our own elderly starve, go cold in the winter, and have to beg for THEIR basic human rights when they are infirm or poor...such as to be bathed or housed in humane conditions. I no longer believe that Britain gets as much from the EU as we give, or that we give a fair proportion compared to other so called prosperous countries. Time to get out of the EU! It is no wonder that so many are emigrating, and I only wish I had the sort of skills that allowed me to do so. I am not proud to say I am British any more...we are a laughing stock! Shame on the Conservative Party for allowing this travesty to continue.
Just another confirmation that we HAVE to get out of the EU - now.
Unless and until all Britons are included in the HR act and can enjoy all the benefits (if there are any) of being in the EU I think we must withdraw - as it stands we endure a load of nonsense and threats for not footing the bill and have no rights, human or otherwise whatsoever and are watching the UK drown under to much dictatorship and bullying
They should go to court over this and defend. In some other eu countries it is virtually impossible to claim any kind of benefit full stop so why should the uk be any different?
Can our unemployed go to Europe and claim benefits? Just a question.
simple just cut our state pensions even more to pay for it by the way if we are so unfair to immigrants why the hell do they break their necks to get here.
OUT OF THE EU NOW
How many more reasons do the EU have to give us (they're kind enough to give them at least once a month) before our leaders understand this unaccountable, corrupt regime is sucking our country dry and we should leave it NOW?
Time to leave the EU these people cannot claim any benefits in there own country WHY should we pay them unless there country of origin intends to reimburse us
I feel so sorry for the UK and its citizens. I'm originally from Eastern Europe and lived and worked in the UK for 7 years prior to it being flooded by all the wasters. It was such a great country back then, I wasn't being looked down at or despised for being from Eastern Europe like people are now. I left when this madness started and moved to France where I don't have to feel like "I am one of them". It's such a shame, the UK has been destroyed on so many levels, it makes me want to weep. I wouldn't move back for this reason precisely, those happy days and those friendly Brits as I once knew them are long gone. The UK must have the most soulless, selfish and uncaring political elite I could ever phantom. The UK should not listen to those incompetent greedy idiots in Brussels, they don't know what they're talking about. Just ignore them like France does. Those who come here, leave swiftly and disgusted because no one cares about giving them freebies and spoiling them!
Why dont we exit the boys club, then we wont be forced to spend dosh where we dont need to. Its like the UK has its strings being pulled by people who aren't in this country.
i bet your not all happy with this just another piece of the jigsaw of ruining this country by the political elite and our corrupt politicians it is happening just like every other story i put on here And all Cameron has to say is 'don't give out plastic bags'.get your heads out of the happy hour clouds you lot out there before its to late because time is not on your side.
easy stop migrants commimg in send them all home job done. then we can use that money for our own people
It's this kind of ludicrous carry on that convinced me to pack my bags and leave the country I love. I have paid 15 years worth of tax into the UK treasury and have never claimed benefits of any kind. Why should I continue to pay tax in a country that squanders billions on the latest moronic PC diktats made by the true 'Lords and Masters' of the UK, the corrupt and morally vacuous E.U?
The EUSSR is out to destroy Great Britain any way it can because we will not join the Euro.
simply put.... no.... but unfortunately I'm not running the country so what I think or say doesn't matter... so the idiots up top will say yes and bend over for the EU!!
No other country is such a soft touch as the UK. That is why so many come here, and why immigrants to the EU head for Britain, despite the rule that they should claim asylum in the first EU country they enter. But those countries happily facilitate their passage to the UK. Some joke surely? Isn't it about time we had a fundamental rethink about the benefits and drawbacks of being a member of the EU. I for one would prefer to see the £10 billion a year membership fee (and rising) spent on improving our country instead of being sent to Brussels. And as we run a massive trade deficit with the rest of the EU (I believe around £40 billion a year), I'm not sure we really benefit from its trade.
What else is the euro zone going to dictate to us,,,,, given they do not give any benifirts to there own citizens next time i go abroad * return to UK,,, i am going straight to benifits agency,,,, to make my claim,,,,,,, !
UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP - it's the only answer.
Come out of the European Union befoere it's too late. We cannot afford it and we cannot tolerate this 'diktat' from unelected commisars any longer. TELL THEM WHERE TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It may surprise the "numties" in Brussels that we have enough problems at the moment without bailing out the economies of Eastern Europe by taking their unwanted workers or "undesirables" Our NHS was designed for this country and not for anyone in the modern world to use for their own ends! The EU in my eyes is more concerned with the "human rights" of anyone but we British! Can you see the French putting up with this? Then neither should we! I suggest that the present government "fires a shot across their bows"by telling them that they either put us on a level footing with our neighbours,(in the fairness game) or we will drop out of the EU! I am sick of reading about workers and "crooks" from other countries,coming here to take from HMS "Great Britain!" When will the penny drop? Europe is not our friend!
I do wish we had a government with courage then we would be save in the knowledge that they would say , we would pull out of the EU first. But we don't so they as we will just shrug out shoulders and cave in and in return we will just keep on voting the same misery in to govern us.
The EU commision tried this tactic on France re the Romanian gypsies, France gave the EU courts the proverbial finger and refused to pay any fines imposed, nothing else was said. Britain should do the same.
Is a comment necessary other than UKIP.
The EU was never meant to dictate policy and legislation; it's ostensibly a trade agreement that's got out of hand. A referendum might sort out our continued membership in the Union (bit of a misnomer as there's very little 'union' among the members) but it's doubtful any political party would ever go down that route. Over the term of our membership we've been subject to ever more pressure from the EU and no British politician has ever taken the issue to the people of this country, despite promises to that effect, all deals are done behind closed doors. Why? Because it's a trade agreement and it's kept intact for the benefit of Big Business who actually run the political parties in this country. Here's a simple test - if NeoNuLabour do win the next election, see what spurious reasons Milibug comes up with for our continued attachment to the crumbling edifice that is the EU.
I know a couple in their early 50's with 3 children. Always worked, wife part time husband full time and has been made redundant. They have enough to survive 2 months and they had a 'interview' for benefits and the woman asked how much they spent of shopping each week. They said with everything (inc toiletries, cleaning products) average £140. The woman said that should keep them for a month. I am so disgusted that people that have contributed all their working lives are spoken to like this and treated like they are the ones sponging off society. I know that I was never asked if I wanted to keep the world and his wife, I am more than happy to support any genuine person like this couple. Last week we were told we are having cancer drugs restricted, where are we going to find all this spare money. This has got to stop..Politicians when are you going to stay enough is enough and put the us the tax payers first because it is our money not yours or Europe's!
REFORM ALL BENEFITS. Start from scratch and bring in limitations for all!! Then the EU cannot say anything, Immigrants in other other EU countries do not get the cushy treatment doled out in the UK. Why do you think they all come here ? It is seeming to be a conspiracy by Brussels to send the dregs to the UK - they should be MADE to do work in the community for benefits!!! This should also apply to the UK unemployable social under class too!!!
Outrageous. This is not the case in other countries in Europe so why try to force it on us (besides the fact we seem to just roll over and bow down). Some EU countries require you to be resident for 2 years before benefits are available. The same argument applies to food hygiene, and just about anything else you can think if - wildly varying rules and implementation of them across Europe Lets have a level playing field please - then lets tell Europe to get stuffed !
Wake up Cameron There is an old saying " there is none so blind as those who dont want to see " cant you see that the EU is trying their best to destroy the United Kingdom . Enough is enough There is another saying which fits you like a glove "THERE IS NONE SO DEAF THAN THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO HEAR " Im voting UKIP Instead of doing what you want DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT No more EU
Time to get out of europe and tell these busy bodies where to go.
Are we going to see the major Trade Unions out protesting in force at the potential damage to the long term benefits of their members? Are we going to see our two major Partys together with the waste of time LibDems coming out and calling for a nullification of the ruling. Day after day there are new initiatives and rulings from the EU which are slowly destroying what's left of the UK. The EU is on the slippery slope and want to make sure the UK goes down with it.
How many other EU countries take all the dross we do and pour all their resources into making sure they have a better life there than the indigenous population? Not many I bet.
I cannot believe this EU, who are they to tell us what to do with our hard earned money(or lack of it nowdays) this country and its people have had their belts tightened to the point of strangling us,People are losing their jobs on a daily basis and after payig into the system for god knows how many years are having to fight for every penny out of the system. But hey, people that have not contributed one penny to this country, arrive here, are given houses, cars, clothes, NHS with the welcoming note of "COME AN GET IT...ITS ALL FREE" The worst thing we ever did was enter the EU, people sitting in another country and telling us what we can and cannot do,,,,,how dare they. All Goverments have a lot to answer for, they dumped us in this EU despite a lot of the people not wanting this, if you go to Australia, you are not allowed in unless you have a profession and can contribute to the country plus you must have x amount of money......stop letting these people in...and LOOK AFTER YOUR OWN
C'mon you MPs I've been waiting years to hear you tell me of any convincable benefit we gain from being in the EU......Just one.....Anything will do?
Any chance of our politicians actually growing a set & getting us out of this farce!
It seems to me that Europe has a problem with the UK on any level, from Eurovision to benefits. Not sure why, but I am a pensioner born in the UK who has worked from the age of 15 and now struggling on a pension. When I first retired I was assessed to see if I could claim any extra money, and as I was a few £'s over the minimum income they believe a person can live on, I couldn't claim anything. I am furious that the EU dictates to us what we should do or whether immigrants can get benefits!! I am struggling on this pension, and so are many others, not to mention families. Why should we pay people who have never contributed to this country ANYTHING?? This is akin to me in my financial status, saying to a stranger "come and stay at my house and I will pay for all your needs"! I couldn't afford to do that, and certainly with all the debt around, the Government can't afford it! Wake up Eurocrats! It can't be done! Cut back on your salaries/expenses first!
Surely this must be the last straw and a test of Dave to see if he is a leader or a follower.
This is DM propaganda , EU Law states you must live in a EU Country for 3 months on your own finances before you can claim any benefits .. if you qualify for any ...... that means worked and contributed to the state. All the 'little Englanders' don't you get tired being played and wound up by the DM and it's agenda.
Sorry..Sorry...what are you doing?
Chruchill & the British People won the last war to make sure nobody to us over. The British people still want the same but you wont listen DAVE! I'm telling you here and now get out of the EU before it ruins all that Churchill and the British people fought for. Please DM deliver a hard copy of this to 10 Downing Street without delay...and..get them to sign that they received it!
Every time I read the mail online, I see a another chunk of the UK die! its getting well beyond the point of no return. I think the only solution is for every UK citizen/tax payer to leave and let the new comers fight it out with all the poor criminals who's human right it is to kill mug and have a happy abusive family life! how will they cope when other peoples hard earned taxes are no longer available to sponge from? Get out if you can people!
Tell Europe to b****r off, close the doors to immigration for a while, and let this once great country get back on it's feet.
Dear Britons, do NOT let this happen! Your Kingdom will be infested with parasites who "steal" your benefits and leave you with nothing. Just imagine: I buy a cheap ticket to London, claim benefits, have a good time and after my holiday is over I go back home. Everything paid for. Sound like a cheap comedy to me. No way my friends. Fight back. This is a very bad EU joke :(
Self inflicked you voted you pay the price,the goverment suck when they want your vote after that mate its up yours. But then you dont need me to tell you that.
@- exforces, far from the maddingcrowed, 30/9/2011 1:34 "If France and Germany are so keen to see them being paid why don`t they send them there cash as they seem to have so much of it?? in 1945 we should have finnished the job off and drven from Berlin b
UKIP is a one-trick pony, and frankly they are not doing their one trick very well. Vote for a party that will a least try to do somethingpositive in Brussels. These UKIP guys are living off the fat of the land for just being "anti" - they are a waste of a vote (and space).
Look up the meaning of Genocide on the net, now tell me that isn't happening right now. I hate what's happening in England it seems surreal.
Tell the EU to go to hell
Stick two fingers up to em
NOW Dave get us out of EUROPE with your PROMISED referendum. I am fed up to the back teeth paying taxes KNOWING that when I reach pensionable age (IF it stays as it is) I will get a pittance compared to these people who have not paid a sou into the system. My God how many more are going to pour in now?
We should have left Belgium to the Nazis.
I detested Margaret Thatcher and what she did to this country - developed a culture of greed, division and self interest in the name of Capitalism and development, but it is someone like her that we need in a situation like this. There is no way that she would cow down and accept European meddling in our affairs in the way that I suspect this government has and will.
Well I hope they were playing that old record called the laughing policeman when they made this decision- oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc
If I cant claim benefits in my own country uintil I have paid into ithe system, why on earth should some foreign organisation force us to hand out benefits immediately to anyone who has decided that cadging off Britain is better than working in their own country. We should not allow anyone in unless they have a proper permanent job and somewhere to live and then if they loses that job they go home. The only sensible answer is to get out of the EU now. Originally there were supposed to be advantages for every country who joined the EU, but now it seems every Tom, Dick & Harry country can join and the UK have to pay. These tin-pot countries only want to join so they can have the right to sponge off us. I'm sick of it and all the foreigners who are bleeding us dry.
Let us ALL Go to court - all 60 million of us. STAND UP NOW or be flattened by this monster called the European Union - OR DISUNION as know It as do most of the German nation. For once Britain and Germany stand together. Decision time for you Dave. Support the people OR be flung out. Yesterday morning a Spitfire flew across the seafront in BRIGHTON. How emotional I felt to hear the throb of that mighty Rolls-Royce Merlin and how proud I felt to see it soaring above the waves signalling defiance to the people who tried to make us slaves. Time for you to show the defiance in you Dave, or do you want the British people to send you a WHITE FEATHER each? They will. Plastice bags and raised speed limits will not save you. We have a new Dunkirque.
If their in the u.k they should be entitled straight away.. The problem lies with border control & those dopes in power, maybe if they spent more on immigration control instead of cut cut cut we wouldn't have the problem of immigrants claiming..
just try getting benefits in spain.what is wrong with our pathetic politicians.just say no and ignore them.
I can tell you from experience, having lived in Spain for 17 years now, that this ruling does not pertain in Spain. My wife and myself have our pensions to live on but we would never be considered for any form of benefit from the Spanish Government. In fact when we came here we had to get a letter from our Spanish Bank Manager to say that we had a certain amount in the Bank to support us. Nobody, but nobody, can simply get off the plane from Manchester to Spain and go to the Benefits Office. Well, you could but you would be told to "fuera" off and pronto too! So my conclusion is that someone somewhere is telling porkies here. 8>(
Brown lied about giving us a reverendum on the EU. Cameroon said he would give us one & also scrap the human rights act. HE ALSO LIED. The Torys have blown it when they had a chance to repair all the damage done to our country by Liebor. Its got to be UKIP next time so lets have an election now.
Why are we still in the EU, we dont have the Euro, we are too wise for that, we should stop being a sheep and leave it to the countries who wish to be submissive to the great dominant EU. Our island has always stayed strong to herself, maybe it is time to going back to being great. Btw i know i didnt vote on a referendum to join EU who did?
It is now vital that we have a referendum on whether we should stay in the EU. The EU is failing and its massive bureaucracy still propagating nonsense. PLEASE, PLEASE have a referendum. At the minimum, if a referendum was held, Brussels would immediately back off and mess with someone else.
the greatest empire upon this earth to a cess pit in 70 years how did that happen then ? B N P for me .
Why not save potential immigrants the energy of actually turning up on our doorstep, why not pay them benefits direct into their bank accounts at home? The E.U. has too much power, it's time we left the union!!!!
The UK has lost the battle some time ago to the EU. While politicians will talk tough, the fact is that they will do nothing, as seen from previous examples, and people who voted this people in will vote them in again. Until the UK people vote in a party or collection of parties that will actually act on doing as they say, such as be tough on the EU or even leave the EU, this will only continue.
Folks, this is interesting - did You know if You are a UK citizen and have paid into the system for say 30 years and You leave the country for more than 6 months and If your circumstances change for the worse and You return to the UK You do not qualify for job seekers allowance while Your looking for work and get trapped by the residency rule and are consequently treated in exactly the same way as someone who has never resided or paid anything into the social security system - So whether or not you've worked hard and paid into the system all your life it counts for absolutely nothing.in such a situation...(!)
I cannot believe this nonsense! Can anybody actually come up with so much rubbish? If it is true then the EU politicians do not have any common sense!
ITS TIME FOR OUR OWN SPRING RISING
What drivel, it will only happen in the UK, the French tell the immigrants to **** off or words to that effect and return to where they came from.
What are the benefits of being in the EU....? Not a rhetorical question but a genuine one.... There must surely be benefits otherwise why are we still members of it....? What is total package....?
Yet another reason why UK should withdraw from the EU ASAP. If Tories withdraw then they will win the next election with a landslide as EU is rapidly destroying genuine tax payers/citizens UK human rights !!!
This is downright scandalous, an insult to all taxpaying Brits in this country. These incoming people should at least have had to contribute for at least six months and paid into the system before one penny is given to them in benefits. To me it won't be long before the powers that be that are making these decisions will dictate that we all open our doors to some of these folk and tell them to come and just take what they want. It's coming ...........
How about British unskilled workers rights to unfair competition from EU workers Coming to the UK this against there human rights, under the section unfair competition.
What the hell??...........When is this country going to see the light....we're going down the Swanee while other countries are on the up....I said it all those years ago to friends...it's the worst thing we'll do to join the EU and my words are come true!
Email No10 everyone. Let them know your feelings on this matter, especially reference the referendum as I think more and more want one now on immigration.
This is diabolical! There are to many immigrants already, people are loosing their jobs to pay for them and this countries debt!! Where's the join up papers for the National Defence League, and how do I become a member of UKIP? It's about time we stood up for OUR country and OUR rights! NO MORE I SAY!!!!
What court? The only court we should be concerned about is the British court and British legislation created by the British parliament. The answer is simply. No!
None of the claimants should get anymore than they would have received in their own country. All benefits paid out should be reconciled between the UK and the other country. If the EU sticks its 'oar' in then let it! Any fines etc should be deducted from the contributions we make to this useless disfunctional organisation! If that doesn't work, GET OUT NOW!!!
The EU gives a totally knee jerk reaction every time "Human Rights" is mentioned....WHY???? Whatever happened to common sense??? Disgraceful and disgusting.
To the Politicians and the CBI. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY COUNTRY ?? SOLD US ALL DOWN THE RIVER,THERE SHOULD BE AN ARAB SPRING UPRISING OVER HERE. DEMOCRACY !! THERE IS NONE.
This is why I voted for UKIP last May.
Do we need any more proof that we should get out of the EU, why is we have to give give give all the time why does'nt Brussels pay out if they are so much for "human rights" would they and the other EU states give money out to people who have paid NOTHING into their countries economy NO!!! they would'nt, listen up Mr Cameron act now or lose out at the next election you have be warned.
Our armed forces are apparently skint and are paying off personnel. We have an ill equipped Navy therefore as an Island our borders are now in danger. The EU can't seem to cough up money for us but we have to pay all and sundry to come here and scrounge. The EU is killing this country by stealth. Get out of it now!. Since I no longer support the BNP I will be voting UKIP. It's our only option. Rule Brittania is now a joke.
MY DAUGHTER LVES IN SPAIN IF YOU DONT PAY INTO THE SYSTEM U GET NOTHING OUT SO WHY THE EU DOES NOT MAKE SPAIN PAY BENEFIT SOME THING ELSE BLAIR SIGNED UP TO HOW MUCH DID HE GET FOR THAT R HALL CROYDON
for every pound they make us pay , deduct it from the huge amount we squander on the EU , no one has the right to any money where they have not contributed , what will happen is the benifts system will be scrapped and all those who can pay will be buying private insurance and health care , this is why the NHS is crumbling as the health torists and the others from EU countries use it with out paying for it ..... shall i give them my car if they havent got one ? i know i paided for it bbut seeing as they are from the EU they must be entitled to it
Time to leave and regain control of our laws, our taxes and our borders!!!!!
William will only ever be king of a land of immagrants because in a few years time there will not be any true brits left here. i tell all my grand children to get out of this country as soon as you can, ITS FINISHED.
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-) - PeterInExile, Auckland and LA, 30/9/2011 Totally agree. Sadly those of us who are over the NZ age lmit and have paid all our taxes etc. in gB all our lives have now to stay here and put up with this ****.
Here's my cash card Here's my pin number help yourselves Let's cut out the middle man and just go around giving any one and every one our hard earned money
Now it is up to David show whether he has any leadership skills. There must be around 20 million people not working in UK now - if the figures were honest. We are living in a dumbed down country that has enough money for war involvement and not investing in the people. Described as a nanny state - this is a country that lacking value in Justice and providing every opportunity for education - even if a drastic rise in costs to then reduce it slightly. The most insincere people are those who are getting paid to decieve people.....because it is their job. It is bad enough when people lie to theirselves. When people understand the truth about the war - they might be more sympathetic to foreigners and why they are really here. Shame on anyone who can justify war and getting rid of foreigners. Clearly the complainers are clueless that millions of British people live overseas. More are leaving out of disgust with this country!
Let the Eu take us to court and then we can ignore the decision like every other member does!
End this madness, ukip it is next election.
Do what the French and Germans do, If you don't like the EU law just ignor it. If they obeyed the laws the same as we do, all these immigrants would settle before they arrived here.
We were undemocratically dumped into this mess maybe we should undemocratically force this government to withdraw us (Greek style)
How come we have 650 or so Elected MP's in this Country and yet we have the Unelected Bureaucrats in the EU telling us what we should do. I think it is time for tough talking Cameron, just let them know who is running this Country. Time to exit this Gravy train as all it does is give the likes of Borroso, Ashton and the rest of the Bureaucrat leeches a very Lavish Lifestyle at our expense. These Politicians call the Bankers but my these EU Bureaucrats take some beating. There is so much fiddling going on the books have never been signed off. I feel an uprising coming on.
Not so many complaints when Britain was robbing the world through colonialism, well now the Empire strikes back. Our industry, our jobs our way of life has disapeared, a few billion in handouts hardly matters anymore.
BATTLE ON!
Had to come and work overseas as could not find employment at home in Scoland for first time in 26 years. That was 4 years ago and it saddens me to think I am living away from the family to provide for us and try to save for retirement. In the meantime, the UK continues to be flooded with migrants who have found a better life for themselves, away from their homeland, in my country. I wish I could say the same.
As we are ruled by Brussels, we no longer need MP's and parliament. A saving there then.
Surely Cameron and co must now act to tell the EU just where to get off. How arrogant and disgusting it is for the EU to now tell us we must pay benefits to any migrants immediately. Fine then don't let them in. Problem solved. Do as the other countries in the EU do ignore the dictats and arrogance of this stupid organisation.
Get us out of the Fouth Reich NOW Mr Camerloon... We are awaiting an invasion of Greeks next...
Great...how come when I was living in France I could claim NOTHING? Also when returning to UK I could still claim NOTHING despite being a British citizen and having paid into the system for 40 years...talk about discrimination! Seems UK is the ONLY country in UK that follows the rules from Brussels!
I used to be pro-European before Brussels started interfering in BRITISH politics and law. I am so angry with the way they keep on getting us to change things. If they want the UK to recover and get the economy back on track, how do they expect us to do that if we have to dish anything up to £2.5bn to line the pockets of immigrants who have no intention of working? The UK government better stand up to Brussels before I consider handing in my nationality for someone else. If the US can determine who gets which benefits, why can't the UK? DISGUSTING BEYOND ALL BELIEF!
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What use are the overpaid unelected bloodsucking commissioners? The EU has failed its audit 15 years in a row yet still they are employed; in any business the commission would have been removed long ago. We should refuse to comply (like other EU states), let them sue us & refuse to accept any punishment. Judging by their efficiency I will be long dead before any action is concluded.
Lets have the Referendum that we were promised Dave. Lets vote to get out ascsoon as possible.
Don't expect the conservative to do anything about it! They are 100% pro the EU.
Instead of the war mongering, newspaper should inform its readers and clarify whats out on unhealthy and untrue rumors. I, for one, am fed-up with this sort of 'journalism'. And, I am fed-up getting stamped by my own country's newspapers like DM as an island monkey too stupid to find our way into the 20th, let alone the 21st century. Leave it, DM. We have more to gain than to loose. Especially dignity!
Our answer should be, "Yes certainly, that is if you will put YOUR money were YOUR mouth is and finance it." I don't think they will be that keen on the idea any more.. it is high time we dropped diplomatic nicesties with that lot and told them how it is. We owe EUROPE nothing .
simple just cut our state pensions even more if our contrys so unfair to imigrants why do they break their necks to get here.
WE need referendum to get out of EU, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE YOU GAVE YOU YOUR JOB DAVID CAMERON
This is complete nonsense. How can Britain be ordered to do this. I don't know about other eu members, but here in Greece, immigrants have to pay two years IKA (NI contributions) before any benefits can be claimed. Also, no health service can be used until one years payment has been made. About time Britain adopted this attitude and told the eu to **** off.
Excuse my ignorance - but does this work in other countries too? If I decide to go and live in France can I get benefits from the French Government immediately????
TODAY I READ THAT 4,000 JOBS HAVE GONE AT BAE AND 100'S OF SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN ARE ABOUT TO LOOSE THEIR JOBS AFTER FIGHTING FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEY WONT GET BENEFIT STRAIGHT AWAY ITS DISGUSTING, CAMERON HAS BETRAYED MY COUNTRY HE PROMISED TO FIX THSI AND HE CONTINUES TO GIVE OUR TAXES AWAY TO ANYONE OTHER THAN TEH BRITISH WHO NEED IT
The only way an EU without borders will work is, to make up a law, that EITHER foreigners receive the same benefits they would get in their own contry OR that the home-countries have to reimburse the other nations for the benefits paid to their people. We have the same problems in Germany.
Look, if they are going to fill this country to the brim with immigrants - and both current and previous governments seem hell bent on doing so - would you rather hard working Eastern Europeans who stand half a chance of contrbuting to the tax base and assimilating or would you rather immigrants from parts of the developing world that will be less likely to assimilate and contribute?
so on top of a stock exchange tax of £40/50 billion a year they now want us to support every illegal immigrant able to come here ,talk about the llunatics running the asylum
Get us out of this madness NOW - in 1975 or whenever it was I voted to be in a 'Common Market' NOT an EU Superstate!!!!
Seems to me our heritage and what made Britain so special and great is just disppearing at an alarming rate - we will be absolutely flooded with people from Eastern Europe and elsewhere if this is enforced. I have seen some of these people begging outside what they consider to be affluent areas in London, namely Harley Street and outside Harrods, and in Kensington. Alot of them use their small children to try and gain sympathy and money. Why are we in the EU when Government can be dictated to like this? It seems the government have no power, in essence. The benfits system in UK must be the most generous in the world, which is why so many come here. Benefit tourists is right. Why is there not a referendum amongst the British public regarding the EU - because MANY would OPT OUT. This is what we should do.
Let the EU take the government to court, there is not a thing the court can do about it.
The French and Italians governments DO NOT pay a cent to immigrants, are they in the same EU as we are???? British citizens will soon rise up against these outragious rulings from the EU unless our spineless MP's who we elected to represent us put a stop to all of this. The scenes in Egypt and Tunisia will be nothing compared to what the streets of the UK will be like VERY VERY soon. GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW:
The only way out is to: 1. Reduce all of our benefits 2. Scrap the National Health Less tax for us and less attraction for benefit tourism.
To claim benefits herein Austria you must have worked and contributed for at least 6 months before you can claim any sort of benefit. I am not one to swear, but, basically, ***?!
Scrap the benefits system for all but those who genuinely physically can't work. It's being abused to the point that it's breaking the country.
Why is it as a Brit unemployed for 6 weeks I was entitled to nothing..and this after 60 years of working. This was my first time I had applied for dole money?
so when i go on the dole i can claime benifits strait away in stead of waiting 6 weeks before i can claime like it is now if i leave my job,i have worked all my life i am 50 but was on the dole for a year and only got the dole for 6 months as my wife earned about £5 over the limit,this left me with 6 months without money and i had to fund my travel to the dole office and to look for work so my human rights were abused,no because i was british,i was also told i had not payed enogh nat insurance tax so how can someone come over here and claim dole straight away, am now working 40 hours a week,we dont get breaks but my human rights are not abused because i am british,i travel 30 miles to work every day and pay for the fuel myself,i dare not work it out in costs as i would be loosing out,now i am paying i weeks saley a month in tax so my human rights are being abused as they are taking all my pay off me in tax and fuel tax ect.i voted for ukip .
You Brits have no-one to blame but yourselves. For years now you could have voted for the UKIP but you didn't. If you really care about issues such as this one, show it at the ballot box or stop complaining. - Sean, Taipei, Taiwan, 30/9/2011 06:48 At least some of us are still here fighting for our country and not fled the sinkking ship like you and many commenters on here have done.
The way this Government rolls over to the EC/EU when they start bossing us about, I can see that in the near future, this country will be run down like many eastern european ones, and parts of it will be under sharia law........happy days eh ?. England will be no more, and just a run down country and a dumping ground to harbour all the undesirables from around the world.
with all of this ...the scary thought is that somewhere there is going to be another hitler born and these govts and people in charge are creating the perfect set of conditions for when someone is going to kick off....where is common sense in all of this. it makes sense that there has to be a balance. if countries need a helping hand fine, help them but can't take out what isn't there.
Does this mean that next time I go to somewhere like Greece for a holiday, seeing as I will be "unemployed" in that country, I can collect some benefits at the airport? Thought not.
It's almost as though the EU is daring the UK to leave it. On the other hand this could be the Tories manufacturing a problem that they will miraculously "solve" during next week's conference.
As Kevin Spacey said in Superman .. Oh it's time leave!
And while the EU is at it make the corrupt Spanish administration compensate those Brits whose homes were demolished because of criminal developers bribing local councils and order France and Spain to pay British expats full benefits without any of them needing to speak their native languages.
we need to leave the EU right now, their stupid policies are dragging our once great country even lower :(
Not a worry folks, we just send the bill to Brussels. Actually what we do is deduct it from our EU contributions. The fact is that the europhiles can prevaricate as much as they like but they cannot stop us doing it. Eurozone now equals trash with little power and this includes the overated Germany. Dave needs to get his finger out and remember that he is a member of the Conservative party. Get on with it
...So can we have our referendum on whether to stay in europe now Dave !
Do you people really think this country is suddenly going to turn into the land of milk and honey for everyone if it were to leave the EU.Get real
Had Clegg said we must agree to the EU on this yet?
Simple answer : Leave the EU
I wish people would stop saying get out of the EU. We Can´t. We are in it for life. Hitler failed but Globalisation has now been done in a sublime way and we have been taken over FOREVER, Do you get that? We have had it and are now slaves and domineered and there is NO WAY OUT. So shut up.WE CAN´T get out. It has been signed and sealed by the queen last year. We are told nothing.We are just useless eaters to the Global Elite
How can this law be discriminatory ? My Mother moved to Spain 5 years ago has was NOT able to use their benefits system and now can only use their health service now she has a Spanish residence card and has been there for a while as her pension is from the UK . These EU laws seem to be just implemented by us in the UK , whilst France, Spain,etc. just ignore them or simply go around them. I don't see them in court.
=- Sean, Taipei hows it the British publics fault i Believe what ever goverment was voted In wouldnt get US out of the EU that includes ukip? hadnt it Already been signed before Cameron came In plus the British public didnt get A Referendum which i find strange !anyway There is A law People where If the goverment isnt doin There Job properli we Can kick them out but most Just wanna sit behind There screens moanin know wonder the goverment takes US for mugs they know they Can Do what ever and the People of Britain wont Do A Thing About it..
NIGEL FARAGE for PM!!!!!!!!!!! Have a look at some of his speeches online.
Why should people be allowed to claim when they have put nothing in to the country and in so many cases are only coming here for all they can get, My son is working in China temporarily ,because he was out of the UK for 6 months he was not permitted to have the insulin he needs prescribed to take back with him, it is costing me a fortune to buy it for him in China . i work, although I am past retirement age. my husband worked for 40 years, and my son always had a job since leaving school. Its bad enough supporting the idle of this country , now Europe. who do not had out the same generous benefits that we do states we have to support the world .
So where in the commom agriculture policy/EEC ( that 'we' voted for in the 70's) does it DICTATE that we pay benefits to non-UK people ? Where does it state that we have to bail out member states ? Where did it state that 1000's of bEUROcrats would be 'employed', waste $billions and not have their accounts verified, EVER ? This country will eventually die a death of a thousand cuts, all inflicted by knives wielded from Europe.
Does it not infringe my human rights that I have to go to work to pay for the EU's stupid rules!!!!!!! I've had enough get us out of this shambles they call the EU, they have done nothing but destroy our UK!!!!! Sign the epetition so we can get this to Parliament epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/867 and while you're there sign the epetition to evict Dale Farm residence as they too are costing the rest of us on the back of the EU's Human Rights epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/6005.
Whats new! first stop is the benefits office as soon as they arrive, they know the system better than we do.
I am missing something here ,when the crisis struck in Spain it left many younger Brits in financial difficulties. You constantly hear the claim that when they tried to access state benefit they were told that nothing was available and their best bet was to return to UK. Now i accept that there are some people who are living outside the system here as in UK,but surly the same human rights of EU citizens are being infringed . It seems to me the UK are a soft touch when these EU directives are enforced and there is always a test case available from some no win no fee lawyer willing to go the whole hog of course on legal aid .Get a grip Britain and be like the rest of the EU do nothing , pay nothing ,take everything . except Germany of course whose aim will be in the future to run the EU as it has so much money invested into it
Two things this country needs to change:- 1. Remove ourselves from the the EU. They will do trade with an independent Britain anyway, because we actually do have many skills that they require. 2. No longer be a signatory to the Human Rights Act. I have yet to see anything that significantly benefits this country from this Act. It only forces us to abide by the interpretation of the laws from Euro Ruling Bodies. The UK is generally a fair country in the first place. We don't need a Human Rights Act to tell us what to do. We do it every day just by being British.
Absolutely disgusting, I work in a health care practice and have lost count the amount of refugees that come in and say" I not pay in, I asylum seeker". Why should they?
And all Cameron has to say is 'don't give out plastic bags'.
ok, neither conservatives, labour or lib dems will take a stand on dictats from europe. I am FED up and will vote UKIP next time around. I have never done so before but am truly fed up with immigration and the lavish benefit handouts
NO IF'S NO BUT',S WE WANT A REFERENDUM SIMPLE IN or OUTOF EUROPE LET THE VOTER DECIDE before we go bust,
About time our politicians started standing up for the people who elected them instead of kowtowing to the unelected eu. We were given the vote once BUT THAT WAS ONLY FOR A TRADING PARTNERSHIP not a DICTATORSHIP by unelected officials !!!
I was always brought up to believe you always look after your own! I forgot our old values mean nothing anymore. Pray tell me then,where are these jobs coming from to give to more outsiders? My vote is going to UKIP next time round, I have reached the tipping point now, starting to not care and that is just not me!
I don't know your politics, but isn't there some way you can tell the EU to stuff it?
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand -- PeterInExile, Auckland and LA, 30/9/2011 18:56 New Zealand is FULL. In case you hadn't realised you blinkered fool the reason NZ is so nice to live in is that we have a populatiion appropriate to our land mass. We don't need any more people.
16 Billion of Pounds in debt this last month,this will go up through the roof if we pay foreigners soon as they come here. These people already get hundreds of pounds in Benefits more per week than are Pensioners and own people. We will soon be busted like the silly Euro, i wonder if the Dictators in Europe want this to happen ??? Surely this is time to say goodbye to the EU, come on David give us the vote and damn the Liberals.
You can sign the government e petition on line but this is a scam. Only 32000 want a referendum. It is obvious the people monitering the vote are deleting emails. As about 60% of the country want us out this vote should be easily be over 1000,000 by now. Protest this scandel now Daily Mail
If they fine us don't pay it. Deduct whatever it costs from the money we pay the EU each year. Tell the EU to get stuffed. Have a referendum and get out of the rotten EU. If your MP wants to stay in the EU vote UKIP.
MP'S will fight tooth and nail for us british people, the only fighting they do is to get to the bar in the commons. When i say british people i mean the 4 nations not those who just happen to get a british passport.
Enough is enough. Over many, many years Europe has been the downfall of our country. It has taken the cream of our youth, now it wants to rule us. Do something Dave or you and yours will be history. WE ARE ALL FED UP WITH EUROPE. It is a political sewer.
All the while we have to work until we drop for our taxes to make this happen! I am going to write to my local MP and David Cameron in the strongest of terms. I know I will receive a reply from my local MP but not the other one. Being a carer for nearly 10 years when that came to an end I had to sign on, I had to PROVE I was eligible for JSA BUT because I had 10p, yes 10p too much in my bank account I was refused!!!! How come they can walk into MY country and get free handouts without contributing a single penny into the economy? How I wish I was 30 years younger, I'd be off like a shot with no regrets. This country makes me sick.
Oh dear the "government" must be shaking with fear at all you armchair protesters out there...You make it easy for them ..moan whinge grizzle grizzle......but not prepared to take to the streets to let them know they are just civil servants and act on behalf of the people..If you feel that is below you than just keep taking it and shut up and suffer in silence.
its time for the referendum! Lets do it!
I am from Hungary and have been living here for 8 years... but I still think THIS IS WRONG!!!
Well it will save money we can merge Border Agency with Handouts Dept.
Oh Britannia what have they done to you......bound, shackled , gagged and on your knees.........by your own leaders.....Hitler could not have imagined a better result
GET OUT NOW!!!!! Why should the hard working tax payers of this Country fund these scroungers. I'm from a working class background and will always consider myself working class - although my husband earns what is considered to be a middle class salary. Last year, he worked his backside off often doing a 16 -18 hour day and got paid a good bonus for his efforts. 40%of that bonus was STOLEN by this government and will undoubtedly be used to fund these folk that waltz into this country with their hands out laughing their heads off at the many people like my husband who are helping fund them! It's an absolute DISGRACE!!!!!!!
Another step nearer for the BNP
I suppose the representatives Brussels would like us to pay them also?
Peterinexile. When I arrive in NZ will I be entitled to benefits and a free house the moment I land?
Scary thought. They are correct of course, when our own honest hardworking countrymen can't get benefits to provide for their families after being made redundant, why should it be easier for others to come here and claim from our benefits system? I hope this doesn't get passed through.
Just say yes OK to the EU and then do what every other EU country does, ignore the ruling. But no this is Britain where everything is done by the rules, everyone knows it which is why they head here and not Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Greece etc
So not only do we have to let in EU workers, now we support any EU unemployed who wish to come here. UKIP time.
Do what the French do, ignore EU directives that they don't like. What are EU going to do if we ignore it ? Nothing ! The EU is a toothless tiger, I can't undertand what the governments afraid of. Just stick two fingers up to them. !
Welcome to the club! We've been through this in Germany. We offered asylum seeking immigrants with undecided status food and shelter, medical treatment and even a monetary allowance. A few month back the EU told us, that they have a right to receive the same amount of money any german unemployed person gets.
If you go to live in france they refuse to give any benefits, even if you have children, if you have not lived here 5 years,or worked in the country for more than 6 months You get told to go home to your own country even if you have a house here and live here. so how do france always get away with this??????
SHUT UP. DO AS YOUR TOLD AND VOTE LIB/LAB/CON IN THE NEXT ELECTION. LEMMINGS.
I'm sick of this lot telling us how to run our country, it's time we had a referendum and let the public decide who we want to run the UK. We did alright before, we are a great country and don't need this lot.
If Brussels are going to force the UK to do this they should do it to EVERY other member state, as at the moment in all the others you quite rightly have to pay in before it pays out! Oh I forgot - if you're British and were born here those rules already apply.... and even then you don't always get any money when misfortune strikes! Ooh don't get me started.....
Yet the dwindling working population has more & more of their hard earned money taxed to pay for it all. IT HAS TO CHANGE!! Out of the hated & corrupt EU now!
Yet we still get the governments of the day telling us that immigrants contribute more than they take, complete MYTH! is the UK a sovereign state YES or NO, if YES then the laws of the EU do not apply simple, if NO then the UK parliament has no power and needs to be disbanded straight away.
an absolute farce. try going to any other EU country and claim benefits? you,ll get laughed at. by them. if this goes through its time for cameron and clegg to pack their bags and Nigel Farage to start picking the colour of the curtains for No 10. i know where my vote is going ,it,s time to pick someone with a backbone ,not a bunch of schoolboy politicians who have never had a proper job.
Cameron next Election .... No Chance ! Miliband next Election ... No chance ! The first to promise, no GUARENTEE that they will pull us out of Europe .... LANDSLIDE ! ............. It may even be Nick Griffin....... Your choice guys !
To stay in the EU - vote - Cameron - Milliband - Clegg. To get out of the EU - vote UKIP. Two choices - no thinking involved - simply pick one.
the eu are out to bankrupt us and they are doing will, get out now or sink.
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Britain just doesn't get it you cant treat everyone like you treat your own disabled its could rights.
Many screams "GET US OUT OF EUROPE". Yeah right, but we have been and are flooded by non-Europeans and this will not help at all. Just look our streets. Are you blind?
Forget this 2.5billion figure, multiply it by 10 to get a more closer figure. Just like the estimate on pols coming to the UK when they joined the EU, these estimates are long off. DO US JUSTICE, GET OUT OF THE EU!!! THE UK CAN STAND ON ITS OWN TWO FEET.
This I find a complete hypocrasy on the part of Brussels. I have recently moved to Belgium as my fiancee is Belgian. We fell on hard times in the UK and were refused any kind of benefits as I hadn't paid enough tax, I am 29in and have been working since I was 16, 7 years of that in the army. But that is by the by, after moving here, I went register with the local town hall, in order to get health insurance, etc but was told I had 1 of 2 options, register as looking for work, in which I had 6 months to find one or I was 'deported' and wasn't allowed to claim benefits, etc or option 2, prove we had been together more than a year, and after the claim is submitted and if they think it doesn't compute, I then will have to either bring our wedding forward or get 'deported' and in none of these situations am I eligible for benefits of any kind! So the EU is a complete bunch of hypocrates!
As usual of course our Government will give assurances that Britain will not do this, just before either sneaking it in or saying we cannot refuse.
OH GET OUT US OF THE E.U. NOW
wow , well that will not work in Sweden where the dole is a membership insurance so you can't just get benefits, the UK should privatize the present system. of just tell the EU to go to hell
Where does it say in the human rights act, countries must give EU citizens the right to benefits straight away, IT DOES NOT. The UK government should stand up and let them take us to court and keep appealing, it will take years, does this apply to France as well, the country notorious for picking and choosing the laws they want, think not.
And JUST WHAT are you going to do about this, Mr Cameron et al? We want to know NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a golden opportunity to say NO and to take the consequences.NO,NO,NO !!! Go and bully somebody else !!
Why don't we just not let Eastern Europeans in at all. In fact lets bag them up and get rid of all of them! Crime rate in Britain would go instantly down!
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-)- PeterInExile, Auckland and LA, 30/9/2011 ....whilst this is a wonderful thought, perhaps posting it in Eastern Europe might be a better option - they will be able to afford it with our "generous" benefits to visitors. We Brits sure as hell can't!
Take no notice of this article, the author and the content's subjects are illucinating. Restrictions were scrapped years ago and we have Labour and the Tories to thank for that ably supported and enthused by the Liberals.
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-)
I would like to put in a request - no a DEMAND to the Government - GET US OUT OF EUROPE BEFORE WE BECOME NOTHING BUT A MEMORY!
Im from the Uk and moved to Turkey and then to Bulgaria and in both countries Ive abided by their rules, their customs and PAID my way expecting nothing in return certainly not benefits! Its about time the same rules are applied in Britain! If everything goes**** up Ill have to dig myself out of trouble I doubt the same rules would apply to me if i return to the Uk after 7 yrs abroad and apply for jobseekers allowance. Brussels should back off and get its own house in order!
If this happened,I would hit the roof! I've been on Job Seekers Allowance since July,due to compulsory redundancy,and have to actively look for work.I'm doing this every day,but it's difficult to get employment. I'm not complaining as such about my situation,but it's grossly unfair if genuine British benefits claimants are going to be treated less favourably than EU immigrants.
close yours eyes and imagine for one moment we were not in the EU - did you enjoy that!
The only way this would be acceptable would be to make all EU countries provide the same benefits. So either our spend comes down or everyone else's goes up. We are never on a level playing field where Europe is concerned and they know it.
You Brits have no-one to blame but yourselves. For years now you could have voted for the UKIP but you didn't. If you really care about issues such as this one, show it at the ballot box or stop complaining.
Us people need to take charge of the EU issue, the people we voted to represent us are ignoring us and doing as they wish. Direct action is need. If we keep sitting on our hands the liars who took charge through lies will just continue.
No! No! No! How about sending them back instead? We have had enough of the EU telling us what to do.
So WE the British tax payer is supposed to pay unemployment benefit and allowances on behalf of Europe for Europe. NO I DON"T THINK SO. We have a draw bridge time to raise it
As an English person living in France I find this disgusting, if I don't work here I don't get benefits, when I'm ill because I work part time I'm told I don't work enough hours to get sick pay - always an excuse from the powers that be and weeks go past before they even have the decency to inform me, what about my human rights, the Commission is obviously selective. Why one rule for the UK and another for France? The European Commission should either equalise rights to benefits across the whole of Europe or keep their noses out. The UK Government should firmly tell them to back off.
Cattle trucks, enough said.
I've come to the conclusion that Europe is so jealous of little Britain's past power and glories, that they are trying to eradicate it.
How much more **** are we going to take (call me Dave)Don't you think its about time we fined the rest of Europe for letting illegal immigrants pass through there orders to get to Britain.I live in Cyprus and do not work does this mean I am entitled to benefits or is just Britain has got to pay.Give us the referendum you promised or get ousted at the next election
I have lived in the US for 12 years, I wasn't entitled to unemployment until I had worked for 40 quarters (10 years). I'm not entitled to any NHS treatment, medical or dental or any financial benefits from the U.K. despite having paid in for over 20 years. And why should I, I'm no longer a resident!!!! Wake up Cameron & Clegg, we are loosing the country our uncles and grand fathers fought 2 world wars for.
Funny, Germany for one will not let ANYONE claim unless they have worked for a minimum of 5 years. Come on Dave, just tell them to ****** off.
What about my Human Rights, as a 79year old who has paid taxes since 14 years of age I strongly recent my contribution to our economy being given to complete strangers who incidently can afford the cost of their fare to get here which I now on fixed pension income cannot afford to holiday off when I want to, I keep asking but never get an answer, WHY do they want to come here, we are short of housing, and jobs, it can only be because they want something for nothing, it is time we said NO and meant it, my vote next time will go to the party who stands up to this over paid lot who keep trying to tell us what to do
Why oh why don't we just get out of the EU. If we had all voted BNP or UKIP we'd be out by now. I live in Austria and I wouldn't be entitled to any unemployment benefit here unless I had worked here, also when we moved here to live, we had to prove that we had enough income to support ourselves so that we would not be a burden on the state. Austria is an EU country so why are they allowed to have stricter rules here than in the UK? Come on Cameron, do something about this we are all sick of it.Brussels and other EU countries see the UK as an immigrant dumping ground. They know it's the only place immigrants will head for as it's the only place where they can get hanouts straight away at the expense of our taxpayers.
Well at least the EU are showing their true colours now - this means that to still support the EU, you really must be an idiot.
How much of the blood sucking ideas from EU Vampires must we take? Have none of our politicians the guts to say no? Perhaps they should put it to a vote, otherwise the UKIP party might put up candidates in all costituencies and sweep into power. Then we could go back to controling our own lives instead of being puppets on a string. I know, let's ask all the out of work greeks to come to the UK. Come on you weak set of cowardly politicians, tell the EU to go away,.
Unelected fools in the vast Ivory Towers of the EU that cost us £billions are imposing rules on us that no one in the UK has voted for. I remember a history lesson where Great Britain lost a huge land to people who said. No taxation without representation. The EU demands are the tax, but we have no representation over the issues. Time to leave the EU or at the very least we should ignore the EU as France, Greece and other EU countries do who never implement the edicts laid down from the Ivory Towers. Has anyone seen the Greek health and safety in action? There is none.
Why pay them after they arrive here? Why not just send the money to them without them bothering to come to the UK? Dave, if you don't free us from these EU idiots you will see revolution from within!!!
That is just so wrong... Other EU countries don`t give out money willy nilly to just anyone... To get any money here, people have to work here first.. if you`ve worked for 9 months (tourist season) & paid your insurance.. you get 3 months money.. You can only claim if you have enough credits...
Please Mr Cameron. Pull us out of this dictatorship, the EU.
Is our Government for real?? What sort of Prime Minister and Cabinet of any country is going to be told what they can and cannot do in their own land? They could obviously learn something from Churchill, Thatcher or anybody with a will and mind of their own. Stalin, Hitler, Hussein and any other dictator comes to mind, It's like 1984 (Orwell). For Christ's sake waken up Downing Street. B J
This is all going from bad to worse. I know that migrants have actually arrived in the UK in the morning and by the afternoon have obtained a Child benefit claim pack for children who are still in their home country. It seems like the EU have 'got it in for UK'. I would love to see a detailed list of what the other EU countries offer in benefits. Perhaps then seeing as we're governed by the same rules, the benefits should be on a similar level .
If i just fetched up on the streets of Germany, France, Spain or Portugal, do you think their respective governments would fall over themselves to give me a free house/mansion and throw money at me for not working? No, i thought not.
I can't claim benefits in Greece. Relatives can't claim benefits in France, Spain or Bulgaria. Why should Britain pay benefits to all and sundry? If the EU wants Britain to pay benefits to the rest of Europe, then the EU should pay for it. And, what about the Human Rights of the British Taxpayer?
Yes Sir Mr EU. What would you like us to do next.? What was that ! ? You want Britain to be the dumping ground for all the criminals and degenerates that other European countries dont want. OK.. But I am sure we are already complying with that. Is there anything else? You want us to pay for all your mismanagement and misappropriation of the Euro. OK... I thought we have already complied with that one too. So how much will you want this time. HOW MUCH !!! Oooh I don't know if we have kind of money. Well OK we will just have to cut all our essential service get the British workforce to work for peanuts.. Oh I think we have already done that as well. Well we will do our best to be subservient to our masters (yourselves at the EU) ... Yours Faithfully Dave & Nick
Sick of it
Thank goodness that great misconceived disaster called the EU is falling apart. The sooner it breaks up and is replaced by something that works the better. Nonsense like this, an unafordable blank cheque to the rest of the world is a joke. We just cannot pay to mop up other nations disasters and look after their displaced people. Would they do it for us? I think not.
Enough is enough.................................................Time to leave the EU NOW- then send those who have no tight to be here to Brussels and see how they like it!!
LEAVE THE EU.
Does this EU policy work for Brits living in another EU country, ie. Poland, Romania etc?? I bet if a Brit went to a benefits office (if they have one!) to claim in one of these countries, they would be told to P### off!!
come and live in France, NO CHANCE of anything if you are not French they make it so hard they will not speak anything but french so hard luck get back to Calais then to Dover. they make the rules you keep them
Is this a joke??? i hope it applies to ALL EU countries who MUST have a similar level of benefits to this nutty UK. We are inundated with immi benefit scroungers already. Get a referedum and lets get out of this money guzzling EU
"moving abroad to Greece and expect to be given benefits as soon as I arrive. If not the EU needs to be done for discrimination..... - Ian" Well no, because the Greeks don't have such generous benefits as in the UK. You would be entitled to what Greek nationals are entitled to, which is practically nothing. It's discrimination because everybody needs to be treated the same: so what the govt. really needs to do is to cut down on benefits for the useless spongers in the UK, and then they would no longer be obliged to pay for useless spongers from abroad. Believe me, if you came to France you would have to show you were financially solvent before you were entitled to anything: you don't pay in, you get nothing out.
personally I think its time we opted out of the EU it has no place hear in Briton and getting involved in our laws... it has slapped us in the face every time we try and do anything. its costing us millions and millions in our tax that we work hard for just to give it away to these wast of space.... enough is enough, I want out....
I've got a better idea if we DO have to cough up - pay them EXACTLY what they'd be entitled to in their own countries, & see if they're still keen to 'up sticks' and come to the UK. Better still, tell Brussels to get lost, but I fear that'll not happen either...
For Ian of Gravesend: Migrants to Greece don't get a cent in benefits of any kind - go to Scotland where everything is free, courtesy of the English taxpayer.
And Britains weak and humble politicians puppets will do as their told .
Now the E.U. Is taking the total pi** , I know for a fact that we (the brits) would not get one cent from any of the other E.U. States if we moved to live in one. Its about time that we just get out of the E.U. So that we Brits can get back to a normal British way of life and not have to feed the world off of the backs of the ordinary WORKING BRITISH .
If the government agrees to this EU diktat, then they are even more spineless than I thought. This is a deliberate attempt by the EU to bankrupt us. If the EU want the illegal immigrants to have benefits, then it must come out of the "central illegal immigrant fund" from Brussels.
I voted for markets. This isnt markets. Its dictat from an unelected commision We where even denighed a referendom. "Guess what" I dont vote for the parties who got us into this. You dont need to listen to their wableings from the likes of Milliband there are other smaller parties growing much larger.Its a busted flush anyway, just ask the Germans.
Just whose country is this? I don't want some jobsworth in another country telling my elected government what to do. Time to leave this nightmare !
So in effect the EU is ordering Cameron & Co how to spend our taxes? Why? This order is not applying to the rest of the countries in the EU
dont they realise we are all bankrupt, probably worse than the countries they come from
Return them to Brussels and let them deal with it there. DO NOT GET OFF THE TRAIN OR PLANE !! THIS IS ALTOGETHER TOOOO MUCH !
Just another way of increasing our nett contribution to Europe. When you add it all up, are the governement really saying that the total cost of being a member of the EU, including their selective use of legislation against us, is outweighed by our trading links and revenues they derive? I personally reckon it's worth the gamble to leave the EU. Does a manufacturing plant in Birmingham really need the country to be an EU member to trade with other countries?? I honestly believe the EU bureaucrats are working towards a truly United States of Europe, and will slowly chip away at legsilation over time. One day, we will be forced to either fully subscribe or get out, so let's get out now and avoid the drawn out pain. Last time I checked, the UK governments has always been elected to serve the voters of the UK. Yes, they need to govern in our interests as best possible, but on an issue as emotive as Europe, they should simply carry out the wishes of the people. Referendum now.
Please, please, let the Greeks default, let the E.U. collapse,let the European Commission go play with itself, and let us get some sanity back!
This ruling should signify the final nail in the coffin of the EU. Once they get to determine the UK's immigration and social welfare policies we can see the writing on the wall. It's a slow judicially-fuelled creeping fascism by a bunch of sanctimonious, lefty wrist-wringers. OUT, foul creature......!
It should be based on reciprocal arrangements between the countries, not some overarching EU rule. I came to Sweden to work and I am working, However, if I lost my job here, I wouldn't be entitled to a penny in benefits from the UK, because I don't actually live in the UK, nor would I get anything from the Swedish government, because they look after their own. Were it not for the fact I have my police pension, I would be up the creek without a paddle financially, and that is hardly a good think for mobility of labour across the EU.
Out now
EU. GO TO HELL.
Our government in Brussels says! Well the country was warned by the likes of Enoch Powell, Peter Shore and others, and have only themselves to blame, they didn't heed the warnings and voted for it. Neither politicians or their parties have the political will to get us out and our only hope of once again ruling ourselves will be if the whole thing implodes? The sooner the better.
Starting to think a 'Dale Farm' protest is a good idea. I'll put a chain between my neck and the UK economy, if it crashes, I DIE!
I take it the citizens of the U.K. are going to tell the EU to "stick it" right?!
Cleggy will be hailing this as a great success for the UK, he's so pro EU he should move there. British taxes for British people first and formost and tell the eu to get stuffed.
Stephen Booth (Think Tank Open Europe) says we don't want the system abused the problem is Mr Booth the system is being badly abused from within the UK our own citizens and from those coming in from outside. When oh when are we going to tell the EU "shove it where the sun don't shine" Please God send us some politicians with some real sense of values and common sense. This lot even make Harold Wilson look good
Labour, conservative and lib dems love the eu and will never leave for fear of offending their rich business associates. How will their private companies line their own pockets at our expense without it? Bnp or ukip we need to decide.
As someone who has worked full time all their life (whilst bringing up a child alone), paid 35 years in national insurance and never claimed ANYTHING even though I have a chronic illness, when I was made redundant in April I couldn't claim anything!! Thankfully I found myself a job in only 3 weeks but it's beyond belief that anyone can come here and claim without contribution !! Guess that means if I decide to go and live in France they will let me claim there??? Doubt it somehow
Here we go again....can anyone please tell me the benefits of being in Europe ?? With regard to this latest "slap in the face" from our best friends in Europe, I would suggest that we ask ourselves why all these migrants want to come to the UK in the first place, and we tighten up the over generous benefits system. We all know that the Europeans are not the only ones "cashing in" on our benefit system. If they didn't get so much handed to them on a plate they may decide to stay at home or go else where.
Something needs to be done about this now. Or..... I will be uprooting and moving abroad to Greece and expect to be given benefits as soon as I arrive. If not the EU needs to be done for discrimination.....
BRITISH TAXES SHOULD ONLY SUPPORT BRITISH PEOPLE we need to get out of the EU and stop giving all our money away to the rest of the world, take care of British people with British birth certificates first, and maybe when we have sorted our own we might be able to help other. BRITISH TAXES SHOULD ONLY SUPPORT BRITISH PEOPLE!!!!!
Since it isn`t April 1st I have to assume this is true. I wonder how many "migrants" are now on the way to the UK after reading this? As an expat living in Malaysia I wonder what kind of welcome I would get IF I returned and threw myself on the mercy of the benefits system. NoneI suspect. Still I can`t help but laugh.
Am sick to the back teeth of the bl**dy EU. They make their own rules, yet expect us to adbide by any changes they see fit. Its time they started to act responsibly too. i.e. We are not part of the Eurozone, so stop bleeding us dry because of debts in the Euro countries. They must also accept the immigrants coming here to have no right to our benefit system - not until they have paid into it at least - we would never be allowed to claim any aid in their countries. Its the same old lets beat Britain up. Well enough is enough. How about us sending back all the so called refugees who have simply bypassed all other european countries to get here. Its time for the UK to say NO to any rulings from Europe until they start to act rresponsibly themselves.
My response to the EU is two words, the second one being OFF! We have had enough, were gone, finished, and out-of-here. We Brit's have never needed the EU (we did create the biggest empire the world has ever seen) without the EU. Didn't need them then, and don't need them now. End of!
Wow - it won't leave benefit offices much time to sort out all the disabled 'pretending to be ill', will it? We might hope that Cameron and co., would reject all this, and stand up for Britain, but as he's too busy pretending to be a world statesman, and 'curing the world's problems', this will all go through and just leave us to pick up the bill.
Why not ??? we can afford it cant we ?? absolute insanity !!! no wonder we are overcrowded !!! There is nothing left of our once beautiful country , if i was young enough i would be gone like a shot !!
"Another day another HUGE clue that we need to get out of the EU. With every example of the EU wanting to make changes to our laws, there is another chance for David Cameron to fulfil his promise and hold the long overdue referendum.

Dave, get on with it and give us the referendum or move aside and let UKIP give us one."
Good bye. EU have signed your death warrant now. Any UK government allowing this will never get into power again - Sarah, Poole UK, 30/9/2011 05:03........................................................The EU signed it's own death warrant when it became a union. Unfortunately though, it's still alive and kicking but hopefully, not much longer.
I'm sure the other member states do not do a reciprocal agreement for Brits arriving in their countries. No reciprocal agreement means we are being discriminated against in their countries. If they don't do it, we don't do it. It really is time to leave the EC.
For me to gain entry legally into the Great Britain and live there, I literally have to jump through hoops to do so. Fill out a million ****** forms, do a song and dance act, and then I have to prove beyond doubt to the British Government I can support myself (both financially and medically) whilst living there. And I'm Australian! Yes, your Queen is still our Queen, and we're still cousins which is just fine with me. But according to the EU I wouldn't have to do that, and I could simply just rock up at Heathrow, claim I'm being persecuted, claim asylum, and claim benefits all in one hit. Not something I would want to do. Btw, why did the the UK join the EU anyway? Great Britain (and indeed the UK) was never part of Europe to start with. It has always stood on it's own, and has never bowed to anyone. As they say on Big Brother, "It's time to go .... EU!!" ... Make Britain great again ...
Time to get out of the EU? Yes we should have done it a long time ago.
Get out of the EU now
Don't worry, I think the EU's days are numbered, they even talked about it on BBC's Question Time last night!!! (faint!). Seriously though, the open borders policy was supposed to be for people to come here to work, not live off tax-payers hard earned money. Spain has halted Romanians going there because so many were living on the dole, if Britain doesn't stop the rot with this, then Cameron has a lot to answer for. UKIP are waiting in the wings and the sooner we have an election the better.
To stop benefit tourism set an EU wide level of what can and can't be claimed by visitors and make it EXACTLY THE SAME in EVERY country in the EU, after all the EU beaurocrats want us all to be the same. It really isn't difficult now is it.
The E.U. every single day finds something new on how we should live our lives in the U.K., I for one have had enough, soon they will completely taken over the U.K. is this what the British people want.
The second word is 'OFF'. And that is addressed to the EU and all immigrants wanting to come here! We Brit's have had a bellyful !
If the EU understand it, do it. "Remove yourself in short jerky movements" let someone else pay for the idle, good for nothing scroungers.
Does this work both ways? i.e can we claim benefit in Germany or France?
Can you imagin France paying them as soon as they walk into the country, I would not like to put any money on it.The only diference is the French have balls and stand up for there country and its people.
If you're expecting anything much from the spineless Cameron on this then you'll have a long wait.
I lived 18 years in Spain and everybody there has to work a minimum of 6 months before they are entitled to anything from the State. Even then what is available is basic and does not begin to compare with the UK's benefits system. The Commission must be aware of the differences of social welfare throughout the EU and surely this should be standardized before picking on a very generous UK to be more generous.
I have come to the conclusion that the EU actually WANTS the uk to leave. There's no other reason for their gross stupidity. So oblige; leave !
Are you allowed to say 'Bo l l o c k s' to the EU Commission? - Paul Marsh, Saint Paul, France You just did. Besides, French and German politicians have been saying it for years. Its only our spineless lot that doff caps and say 'yes sir, no problem sir' to every EU edict/law/treaty/policy.
Good bye. EU have signed your death warrant now. Any UK government allowing this will never get into power again
What is the EU saying to Greece about this? absolutely nothing. - Lisa, Greece - - - - - You're right, they're saying nothing YET. But when Greece goes bust, the mass unemployed will be told they can get full benefits in the UK. We're not going to feed and house all the dregs of Europe.
Time to get out of the EU. NOW!
This is exactly what the EU elites want : the total subjugation of the UK. The problem seems to be the fact that the british people seem to have lost its desire to survive , to maintain its national identity. Unless you do something and you do it soon, you are doomed.
do you see my middle finger?
Go to their stupid court and if they fine us don;t pay it and if they try and steal the money some other way then don't pay our subs and if they kick us out of the EU then good riddance. Mr Cameron its time to draw a line in the sand and stand up for this country - does this happen in Germany, Franc, Poland etc
John Baker - Aberdeen. Yes but it isn't just £40 per week is it? When you factor free housing, health, education, and the raft of other benefits and grants etc, etc it starts to add up to a hell of a lot more. And too administer that system also racks up the costs, which all comes out of taxes..... (and by the way, writing your whole comment in capitals is a bit passé and does nothing to enhance your point!)
Maybe this is the push are stupid short sighted politicians need to realise the Eurocrats are more in charge of our country than they are. OUT, OUT, OUT.
if i go on holiday to any other eu country can i claim welfare there cos i know if i went to the dole in england i would have to wait 6 months
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-) - PeterInExile, Auckland and LA, 30/9/2011 16:27 Hear hear but dont tell everyone they might all come :)
Why dont every TAX PAYER just stay in bed for a week and stop the country.just like the French would do.The country is DOOMED.
First off, we need million-man marches. We need boots on the streets of Whitehall, demanding Referendum Now. Forty million of us want out of the EU—if just one in forty goes to London and protests, it will enough. We need the hacks, drones and liars of the main parties to look down from their balconies and feel fear. There is no other way. Our nation is being stolen. The next step, forced fiscal union of all EU members, is around the corner; otherwise there is no hope of keeping the euro project going. If we do nothing, Britain will be absorbed into an EU superstate within our lifetimes. The EU and open-door immigration are slowly dissolving a thousand-year-old people, society and civilization. Law by law, job by job, house by house, school by school, street by street. Soon it will be town by town. UKIP, this is one thing you can take a meaningful role in. Get the million-man marches started. I don’t think you will have any trouble finding helpers.
This is not free movement of labour it is free movement of welfare, £2.5 billion will turn out to be a huge underestimate of the cost. Remember how many East Europeans the Labour government expected to enter Britain?
WHO IS GOING TO COME FOR 40 POUNDS PER WEEK IF YOU NEED JUST FOR APARTMENT 150 POUNDS PER WEEK? ALL EU COUNTRIES HAVE MORE GENEROUS WELFARE SYSTEM THEN UK. CHECK STATISTICS FIRST BECAUSE 99% EUROPEANS DO WORK EXCEPT FEW THIEVES FROM ROMANIA.
the eu marxists in brussels can do the uk population down at every turnBECAUSE WE HAVE MINISTERS/MPS /GVTS WHO ARE JUST PUPPETS AND CONTROLLED BY THEM ALONE,NOT THE UK ELECTORATE,WATCH OUT AT THE NEXT ELECTION ,THE 3 STOOGE PARTIES WILL PAY AT THE EBALLOT BOX,SAVE THE UK FROM THESE EU DICTATORS AND THEIR CORRUPT SIDEKICKS HERE IN OUR GVT
All of you that CAN get out, you should come to New Zealand - great country, plenty of wide open space, clean beaches and clean sea, and in need of people with skill and ambition. But best of all, no EU dictating from outside. Just sayin'... :-)
The last straw!! GET OUT NOW!!!!!!!
I live and work part time in Greece, we get absolutely nothing if you don't work you don't eat. You have to work to get the equivilent of our Job Seekers allowance and that is a paltry 400 Euro's per month. No housing benefit, or any other benefits, you must save in the summer for the winter months. What is the EU saying to Greece about this? absolutely nothing.
Why complain now. You've all presumably known how to vote for years.
THE END IS NIGH.
I have a better idea. Let EU insist that migrants claim bebefits as soon as the arrive within EU. Any migrant moving to another EU country just continues to get benefits from this first country.
My god the whole world is going crazy. Next thing you know the EU will be telling you that you have to give up your homes to the immigrants. I thought things were bad enough here in Australia. Stand up to the commission England and say NO.
IM absoulutly certain the EU is trying to destroy BRITAIN . over the last months they have orderd changes that are totaly barbaric . On what Britian should and shouldnt do. WHATS going on??? I no longer live in the Uk thank GOD. But this is getting to be ridiculous , WHAT the hell is it to do with the EU. Hasnt Britain got its own Govenment ,??? It might as well not have one if the Eu are threatening and making them do what they want . What is Cameron a man or a mouse . Dont bother answering that we all know . The british pay for the council WHO SCREW THEM They pay for the their govenment WHO SCREW THEM They pay for the EU WHO SCREW THEM. They havnt got a chance !!!!!!
Are you allowed to say 'Bo l l o c k s' to the EU Commission?
"Can we please be told the names of these unelected Brussels beaurocrats. - brian harwood, portsmouth uk, 30/9/2011 " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't have any names Brian, otherwise they might be held accountable! One wonders if France, Spain etc get the same amount of hassle from the Eurocrats. Or perhaps these countries just choose to ignore things they don't like? Sometimes our British culture of fair play and "sticking to the rules" works very badly against us.
Why do foreigners have more rights than British citizens?
EU leave us alone !! Go pester someone else.
UKIP or BNP?, the choice is yours if you want to regain your country.
The Electorate want us out of the EU, it is only our freeloading Politicians who deny us the right to vote to leave,
Tell the EU to look after their own, if these people want state hand outs why do they not stay in their own country. We are having problems of our own. Tell them we will not support benefit seekers.
Can we please be told the names of these unelected Brussels beaurocrats.
Get out, get out now before the E.U bankrupts Britain. You are giving away all your hard eared cash to spongers, and it's going to get a lot worse.
It gets worse and worse. I am so saddened by the state of affairs. Cameron needs to tell the EU where to go. They should have no power to dictate how Britain is run. In the current state of play, I think there needs to be a big REVIEW on immigration with a big NO to those who will contribute nothing and don't want to live by the country's rules. Britain needs to take care of its own citizens who are struggling in the current economic climate. Seriously, is somebody going to stand up?
Even though my parents were both born in the UK and I can have a UK passport I wouldn't get a penny. Yet these characters without even the remotest connection to Britain or ever contributed anything, can scrounge as much money as they like! On a "Making Sense Scale from 1 to 10" this would have to be about a minus 15.
"When are you going to figure out that the UK is no longer a sovereign nation and is now just an EU state under the control of the government in Brussels? Your local government is just a dog and pony show now, put on to pacify the locals by making you think you might have some sort of say or choice in the matter. The truth is you have none. Go ahead and write your MPs if you want, they're still going to tow the party line regardles of what you think. Vote them out and the parties will simply put some other puppet in their place for you to vote for.

China has elections too and their people have about as much choice as you do, for the same reason. The only difference is you're given multiple options on which socialist leader you want to vote for, just to keep up the illusion that you live in a democracy."
I left the UK in 1963 because it was getting overcrowded. Now look at it! What a royal shambles!
Instead of the DM just reporting this, why don't they do some research and tell us our the other member countries of the EU operate. I know you get s*d all in Spain for instance.
Oh Britannia what have they done to you. Bound, shackled and on your knees.....and by your own leaders.....Hitler couldn't have wished for a better result
I left the UK in 1963 because it was getting overcrowded. Now look at it! What a royal shambles!
it really is about time we seriously consider our position in Europe!!. I'm not against an integrated Europe,, but why oh why do we let these idiots tell us what we can and can't do in our own country??. Maybe its time to do things the French way - "Yes we are a member, but sod the Eu if its not in our country's interest!! Stop being so spineless Westminster,,
For goodness sake jwill somebody ust get us out of the EU and the Human Rights legislation.
David Cameron has announced he intends to make it more difficult to claim benefits.. From next week the forms will only be printed in English
And these clowns want further intigration? No wonder the Euro is almost bankrupt with this bufoonery.....
Britain- ==Europe's dumping ground ! Now lets see David Cameron "change it from the inside " Maybe you should have voted UKIP after all ?
it justs get better and better ......... leave the eu go back to trading with the commonwealth countries, who after all are the up and coming economic markets around the world with higher growth than europe'
Alex, Lundun, 30/9/2011 13:00 You are a butt head these rules were made before GB entered the EU sounds like you are eastern european. if you think things are equal go live in eastern europe you'll not get a benifit there. Tell the EEEEUU to stuff it just ignore them.
'Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men'. The EU will destroy us and when it all collapses they'll be nowhere to be seen.
I hope we all realise that the reason why the likes of cameron stay quite on this subject is because we have already been sold down the river. There is referendum coming because they can't. Well, i see that other EU countries are able to pick and chose, but the UK government is either tied to different rules, or they have no backbone at all. They're like kids. They say one thing to sound big, and then when the adult says, "pipe down" the shut up and do as they're told. Pathetic. The only thing i can say is get out when and if you can. There is only so long of taking more out of the pot then goes in before its empty.
And Great Britain's national Sovereignty was traded for what? It seems that the cost benefit ratio to belonging to the EU is skewed more towards national suicide rather than a beneficial Anglo / European Union.
Stop this Bolshevisation by EU commies now!
Quite the opposite in Spain - you pay in or you get nothing out. A sure fire way to keep the scroungers out. UK you have no backbone. Just say no and stick two fingers up to the lawyers who tell you otherwise.
I once knew a young man from Iran and he told me that it took him 5 years to get to the UK, he was determined to get there because once there he knew that he would never have to work again, he said that the UK was the only countrythat the Goverment paid youa weeklywage not to work, he was proud of the fact that he got a furnished flat all billd paid and a weekly wage, and to add insult to injury he then was proudly telling me that he got a car bought for him be the government, he was also working on the side earning £100 per week and that money was going to Iran so that he Parents could build a house, he could not understand why I wasworking so I told him that I was working to keep him he just laughed at me Ithink that this applies to about 50% of the immigrant population in the Uk they are just there for the money and not work, so why should the UK have to pay to these people because the EU says so. other countries don't
The people of the uk must unite and give the goverment a clear message "we want our country back". The problem is all that people do is moan to each other and talk on forums like this. What we should do is all write a letter or petition to the goverment and force a referendum on wether or not we should be in the EU.
This is getting beyond a joke. This country is going further down the pan every day, mainly thanks to the EU, their ridiculous rulings and our spineless government who no doubt won't do anything to appeal them. When are we going to get a referendum on EU membership? Not while LibLabCon are in power that's for sure. Vote UKIP or BNP next time if you want this madness to end.
Ah well, at least benefits in the UK are a roaring success.
I've literally just joined UKIP, and after reading this article I know I've made the right choice.
I have a neice who moved from UK to France.She gets absolutely NO benefits from the French.Perhaps the EU commisars should begin by issueing threats against the country that believes in all this EU nonsense,ie. France
We are kept in the EU because SOMEONE is making "BIG BUCKS" out of the rest of us""
This is what happens when you have a ram shackle europe, where every country is different, yet people are effectively citizens of any country they want to be citizens of, the only way a benefits system can work in europe, is if its centralised, where benefits to anyone in europe, are paid from Brussels, and everyone gets the same, no matter where you are, or the uk system will colapse, as its a bit more generous than most, and will draw people from all over europe seeking benefits, or else, reduce the uk system, to that of the worst benefits in europe. The fantasy of leaving the EEC is not an option, look at what happend when some sothern states left the union, i am not saying it would result in war, but the EEC would financially destroy the uk, as an example to any other country that is thinking of leaving, they would also push every illegal immigrant they have, onto ships heading for the uk, same way the ussr did to the west during the cold war.
Arriving at Heathrow after a short time abroad, there was the 1 lane for fast track,2, sometimes 3 lanes for UK/ european passports, and the 'snake' that fed 8 or 9 dests, but now the 'snake has been taken over by uk/ european passport holders, just shows how many passports are dished out like supermarket tokens.
Because people who haven't paid a *penny* into our tax system deserve the full benefit of our "safety net", free medical care and free housing? When our pensioners are struggling, even dying, because they cannot afford to make ends meet despite having paid tax for a *lifetime*. No Cameron, tell the EU to stuff it where it doesn't shine and if they don't like, call a referendum and let us all see how the country feels about the issue.
Hang on a minute. Is the EU demanding this across *ALL* the EU? Say I could go to Holland and claim the welfare there, Germany or even Poland? Because that if it isn't the case then it is the most blatant *attack* on the UK yet. And I seriously do not see France doing anything like this, so just what the hell gives. EUFO!
When I moved to Ireland with my family many years ago from New York I was 18. In order to get a job I had to have a local who was in politics vouch for me so I could get a job. Now I can move to England and get paid not to work???? I'm on my way.
I think the time is rapidly approaching for the whole country to join together and reject the EU , everyday there's more and more of this rubbish , interfering in our basic right to run our own country , AGAIN I SAY , WE DIDN'T JOIN UP FOR A UNITED STATES OF EUROPE , TO BE ORDERED ABOUT BY FACELESS EUROCRATS , ONLY A COMMON MARKET TO MAKE TRADING EASIER , Don't forget there's plenty of other countries that don't belong to this dictatorship and do very nicely thank you .
Everyone posts here demanding a referendum, demanding we leave the EU. But what have you ACTUALLY done? How many have written to their MPs? How many have written to David Cameron? How many have signed the epetition? Its all very comendable posting your thoughts here, but this doesnt reach many MPs, or the PM. You must act and do it regularly, dont give up. Whinging on here wont get the referendum we deserve. Direct contact with MPs or the PM might just get a change of attitude at westminster.
THESE ARROGANT EUROCRATS ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO MILK OUT BRITAIN. HECK WHEN THESE EASTERN EUROPEANS JOINED THE EU IN 2006, ALL THE EU CLOSED THE BOARDER TO THEM EXCEPT UK(NO THANKS TO TONY BLAIR) AND NOW THEY GONNA ORDER US ABOUT THIS. WELL EXCUSE ME OUR COUNTRY, OUR RULE
You know, the more that I look at this the more confident that I become that the EU is trying to give the UK the hint that they don't want us. They keep changing the rules to make it harder for the UK and more expensive for the UK. Rules that apply to the UK would be laughed at and rejected by the Eastern European countries. We can take the hint you don't want us so we will leave. Mr Cameron please give the EU their wish, lets leave them to it!
Do the same as the French do..... NOTHING. They will soon move on.
And I agree lets bring ENGLAND down even quicker than I hoped. KEN FROM KENT
ALL our MP,s of EVERY party ignores the will of the people,and its time we all marched on Westminster,but of course us British have no rights,we are treated worse than dirt,and communist merkel wont rest until Germany is completely in charge,and of course this will happen cause we cuss and go but do absolutely nothing. I never had a racist bone in my body until now,but now i feel we must rid ourselfs of all the foriegners who are bleeding the country dry, with all the handouts afforded them,and yet i bet if i needed help,i would get absolutely nothing.
I want a change in this country so forget Con Lab Lib - next time I am voting UKIP
EU commies, Barasso is a far left commie with maoists beliefs! We are finished as a country unless Dave and Osborne put their foot down on this. Lets see what they are made of. Jelly or Steel!
"But the European Commission said this ‘right to reside’ test indirectly discriminates against nationals from other EU states by enforcing a set of conditions that effectively tests their right to state handouts." Let me get this straight - the EU wants to tell the UK how to conduct its government and spend its tax money. An impolite UK might be tempted to offer the EU a two-fingered salute. A slightly more polite response might be to suggest the EU take a very long walk of a very short pier. At the very least, the UK ought to demand a quid pro quo as Paul (London 29/9/2011 16:47) has suggested. Withdrawal seems to be the best and wisest choice.
Britain is moving from loony Liberalism to Marxist Socialism, with ease. If our glorious leader does not have that pair of things that makes a man, we should change him. It's called democracy!
Well at least we can say there's less plastic bags about, so there you go!
This EU is getting more ridiculous by the day. It is as if they are trying to drive us out anyway - so let us get rid of them and their stupid laws now before we are well and truly broken. Europe can make their own way to hell by themselves.
That is it !!!!!!! LEAVE THIS DAMN USELESS EUROPEAN UNION NOW
I WANT A REFERENDUM ON EU NOW !!!!! Get stuff EU
‘I’m really surprised the European Commission has chosen to go into battle on this very sensitive issue, when there are clearly far more pressing problems to solve in Europe.’=====don't be surprised, the only thing we expect is that you FIGHT BACK!
Please sign the e-petition 'Britain wants referendum to leave EU'
Remind me who won the war?
When the rich leave Britain for warmer and friendlier shores, and when tax payers decide they have been bled dry and have had enough, who will pay 'welfare payment's' to the rubbish we attract, courtesy of the EU laws?
Out Out Out
Why don't you guys tell the EU to STUFF IT? ( As should we Americans to any American politician who tries to shove illegal immigration down our throats anymore.)
Just threaten the EU Commission with deducting any cost of paying benefits for immigrants from other EU countries from the UK's contribution to the EU, after all if the EU wants them to have benefits then the EU can pay for them. It is yet another example of why the EU membership provides not benefit to the UK. UK citizens only signed up to a Common market it did not hand out control of UK benefits to the EU.
To all the MP's and Prime Minister, get out of the EU NOW!!, enough of all these idiots ordering us into giving up our money. We should never had joined in the 1st place!!
Simple. Stop letting Illegal Migrants & refugees into the UK. Put them all on one of our deserted islands, made over as a holding center, then ship them back to the country they arrived from. Including EU members.
Why don't you guys tell the EU to STUFF IT? ( As should we Americans to any American politician who tries to shove illegal immigration down our throats anymore.)
So let me get this straight.....Britain pays the piper, but Brussels gets to call the tune? Somebody's been had.
Dave might get around to taking the UK out of the EU which will fix this small issue!!....But I guess it will only happen after he resovles the countries critial issue of Tesco using Plastic Bags!
All you fools who voted for labour or conservative. There is only one party I'll be voting for: UKIP.
Time to leave the EU. We have lost more than we have gained. We will still do business with them. There is no reson why we are in the EU!
In Spain and Portugal you get NOTHING out of the system unless you put in a least six months work paying insurance stamp and taxes........and you only get benefits for a short period of time, so Cameron and his motley crew should tell the Eu to p**s off and let France and Germany give them benefits. When you move abroad you must show that you have the means to support yourself ie you either have work or you have a pension, this is the law in all member states, why oh why doesn't britain legislate this rule and tell the Beurocra*s in Brussels to shove off.
Another brilliant idea coming out of Europe, is anyone with me in thinking that things are starting to get lost in translation?
We need to tell the EU to get stuff !!! and mind your own business !!! The whole of UK needs to protest.
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH EU?!!! even I am a foreigner, I don't think EU got right to order UK give out benefit to migrants just because they arrive in UK land!!! are they jealous that UK is not screwed up like most of other EU countries?! Is this the way they drag down UK with them?!!! it's ridiculous what EU is doing to UK!!! YES, LET UK FIGHT THIS TOOTH AND NAIL!!!
When are you Brits going to realise that Europe will not rest until Britain has been brought to its knees, in european eyes Britain is a wealthy Country and in socialist Europe we can't have that.
at this rate it's just a matter of time before the true leaders of this country 'the E U', demand that we also supply free flights to britain, as i'm sure its against there human rights to make these 'spongers' get here under there own steam.
Who the hell are they to tel Britain how to spend it's taxpayers money. Enough is spent out unnecessarily to people who don't deserve it or have no right to it. Do they want Britain to go broke like the Euro? All those countries are in dire straights now, are they jealous Britain is still holding on? For Gods sake GET OUT OF THE EU.. NOW!!!!!!!!!
The EU, the citadel of evil, is out to destroy Britian. David Cameron, forget about plastic bags and get us out of the EU.
It seems to me that the EU want to bring the UK down on its knees - Fight back - Tell them to get lost and insist that you leave the EU NOW!
Add up all the extra cost this directive will cost the British taxpayer then offset this against the money we give to the EU. If directives like this make politicians think it is good for us to be in the EU then I dread to think what directives will actually make politicians say enough is enough.
Ridiculous!!! Our benefits package is like the Promised Land to someone from a poorer nation- already people are desperate to cross the channel to claim asylum, rather than live on lesser payments on mainland Europe. THIS MUST STOP- compare UK to USA or Canada- We are a laughing stock over this!!!
Hard to believe that a once great nation has become the dumping ground of Europe. Enough too make you cry.
baaaaahhahahhahahhahahahhahah this is getting ridicoulous. Broken Britain. nothing left to do but laugh otherwise i'd cry
I think there is some information missed, because I cant believe that. Anyway, maybe EU agreed with Britain, that benefits in Britain should be reduced? I mean if there is not too much benefits, there are no people coming for them. Anyway a lot of British want benefits to be reduced.
There is no need to be pessimistic. We have not been asked to lay on charter planes to bring them here - so far! - des, scotland, 30/9/2011 0:58 They don't need charter planes to ship them here Des, ....... Easyjet, Flybe, Jet2 etc are all waiting around to bring them over here..... we get no soddin' well say in the matter. If anyone from the EU can come here and claim benefits, I want to have the same situation, and I'll head to France or Spain, and live there. Will I get paid benefits from the French or Spanish Government? Somehow, I doubt it. If our Government is forced to take *anyone* and give them benefts, and no doubt a free house, then the others should all do the same. Fair is fair, or does that only apply to the UK? Only our pathetic Government falls for this cr*p.... the rest would say 'shove off' - or use the new expression 'jog on'....
MAY THE EU FAIL - craigyhousewife, fitzrovia, london, 30/9/2011 6:51 .............It already has, it's just our stupid PM can't see it. Thank God he has less than three years left, then he can go on the political scrap heap along with the other fools that would not listen. We need a UKIP government now, it's our only chance.
I suppose that ALL the EU countries abide by this ruling? Maybe, we should only pay what they would get in their own countries! Or at least, claim the monies back from their countries?Call the EU's bluff, and go to the courts? Refuse to pay any fines,after all, can they send the whole country to prison?
Just deduct the cost of any and all benefit paid out from the money paid to the EU.....! As the mongoose says "Simplessssss"
That's it - everyone come over and take whatever you want, it's all "free". Don't wory about the UK worker; we will simply have our wages taxed into the ground and handed over to every foreign parasite who can make it to these shores. Just try parasiting of course in another E.U. country and see how far you get. CAMERON - GIVE US A REFERENDUM ON THIS E.U. MADNESS AND GIVE US ONE NOW !
This country is a joke end of !!!
Get us out - OUT - David Cameron. It's not a hard word to spell. O-U-T. I'm still waiting for Government to explain what earthly use the EU is to us - or to any of the other so-called "member states" - Ha! It's a lovely Marxist term and sums it up. One again - OUT.
This madness must stop, we should get out of the EU and stop being told what to do by them. Mr Cameron please listen to the wishes of those who you represent and finaly put an end to this farce. Either that or make way for someone who will put Britian and the needs of the British people first.
And Europe should follow the same rules and pay benefits to their residents at the same rates and with the same conditions. There should not be any benefits discrimination throughout Europe.
Give them the old Agincourt two fingered salute !
End this madness NOW. Elected MPs are supposed to represent the people of this country. Call a referendum on Europe and let the people decide our future. We are not blinkered by the political correctness that makes most of our MPs the lapdogs of Europe.
@ Alex, Lundun, 30/9/2011 1:00 -- You clearly have no clue of the implications of this rule or you are from Eastern Europe. If benefits in Eastern Europe were the same as the UK it would be fine but it simply is NOT In Eastern Europe they claim about £40
I can see big , big problems heading your way, and I mean big.
Well we all had our last chance, not last but one chance, but last chance to kick this bunch of crooks into touch at the last election, and who did we vote for the, the same old crowd....Well thankfully I will probably not be around to pick up the pieces, if there are any left, in a few years time......Great Britain.....You are all quite welcome to it......By your votes you sold yourselves down the river.
How about we all go to Germany or Brussels and claim benefits over there
Goooooooooooooood morning UK ..... the weather today .. NOT A CLOUD IN SIGHT ..... yeeeeeepeeeeeeeeeee ..... news about your money ......... sooooooooooory but the EU is going to screw ya'll again ......... get your wallets ready to hand more cash to those EU faaaaaaaaaaat cats meow meow....... and why not ? the Germans have just been screwed out of over 200 Billion by the Greeks thanks to the EU yaaaaaaaaaahoooooooo ... they voted for Merkel and you voted for ... hmmm well coming to think of it neither here nore there can I see any possible political alternatives oh well ... enjoy today go shopping and don't think about that those are the last days of summer ...... do like the politicians ...think pooooooooooositive ... yea .. hmmm with their income and pensions no proooooooblema
Time we told the European Commission to kindly 'jog on' and stop dictating to our country!
The EU have really got it in for us have they?
When will the leaders of this once great nation grow some backbone and announce the departure from the EU? The people clearly don't want to be a part of it.
Simply so that the worlds dross will pass through the other EEC countries to head for benefit Britain
On the assumption that the UK Government won't do what the French do (ie ignore EU judgments they don't like), well there's no problem - just change the rules so they have to start their court rubbish all over again... focus on the 'have a good opportunity to get a job' - ie can speak fluent English, that should do it! Or just flat refuse to pay up when they fine us for putting UK residents first - what can they actually do about it anyway if we tell them we're not stumping up yet more cash for the European Slush Fund....
Is this the same bunch of idiots, who a year or so ago, denied the action of retired pensionors for indexing to their frozen pensions in certain countries. One has sit and shake one's head at the decisions these clowns are thinking up. We did have a great country once, not any more.
Already immigrants get FAR more than British born and bred, this is just a step too far!! We really need to take to the streets and do something about this spineless, lying, dishonest government!
That's odd, I thought we already did that? - Hannah d , bolton, 30/9/2011 00:35 Now we have to do it officially and not by incompetence.
Well if Cameron lets this happen the flood of migrants that follow will finish off his government. UKIP must be laughing!! Where are the ministers to stand up for the people of Britain? Conservative? Labour? LibDem? ANYONE?
Don't the government realise that we don't have to do 'what we are told to do by the EU! The worse that we can be told to do is to leave - and WE WANT TO LEAVE...... LET US CHOSE - WE WANT TO LEAVE LIKE YESTERDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hands up who's voting UKIP next time?
and are "eastern europeans" not europeans? Why treat eastern europeans as second hand citizens? they won the right to join the EU therefore they have any right to stay and live anywhere in Europe. The rules haven't been made by Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary etc they've been made by Germany, Belgium, France, UK - and it seems you don't like your own rules anymore. Eastern Europeans are being framed for everything what happens bad in Europe - there's good and bad everywhere
Citizens of Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy, rest assured. When your economies collapse there'll be no hardship to endure because you'll all be welcome to live it large at benefit Britain.
Its all part of the plan, if you google "mode 4" you'll find its part of the WTO scheme that allows companys to come to Britain, whilst brining its own labour with it. Don't bank on it being educated people. It's a clear sign that we and are children will be priced out of jobs by immigrants. The previous govt and this govt are all for it apparently.
Let all and Sundry in, and we will move into their countries, because soon there wont be anyone in europe apart from the UK. How dare these people say we have to give benefits to everyone. No one should get benefits unless they were born in the UK or they have worked 5 years in the UK. WE ARE NOT A CHARITY FOR EUROPE. WE WANT OUT AND WE WANT OUT NOW
if they're so hell bent on immigrants getting free money why don't they give them it and shut up? if this isnt a rude awakening for the gov to get out of the EU I dont know what will be...
There is no need to be pessimistic. We have not been asked to lay on charter planes to bring them here - so far!
Well lets all bend over and take it up the ars*. We might as well pack our jobs in and claim benefits either that or we just emigrate out of the EU. Fact is we need the likes of William Hague to stand up to these thieves NOW!!!
Can't we launch a counter claim, it's against our human rights if immigrants don't pass a test? If we're part of Europe, with many of our laws being set by Europe, can anyone explain to me why immigrants still want to come here? Aren't benefits the same across all European countries and, if not, why not when Europe dictates fairness and sameness across so many other aspects of our lives? Just when you think you've read it all.
It is time to rid ourselves of the EU we do not want there law or there unwanted drop outs.We are an Island and on the brink of sinking.The demise of Greece says it all .The EU is a debt ridden zone and we have sufficient problems of our own it is time we stood up and were counted . TO THE BRITISH GOVERMENT WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS TO RESIDE AND SURVIVE.
The solution is very simple get out of the EU NOW!
One word. DISGRACEFUL as if the UK isn't full up and BROKE enough !!!!!!
MAY THE EU FAIL
Our Government and Councils examine EU diktats with a microscope, whereas other EU Countries simply ignore them or tell the EU to get stuffed! Sadly, all our lot are SPINELESS!
This is laughable, if this is the case, then the EU must put this same demand on EVERY country in Europe. also the exact amount must be offered in what ever currency.Can you imagine the LATVIANS offering 400 pounds job seekers allowance, 1000 pounds for rent per month, electric money, gas, lol....... YEAH LIKE!!
Just give them all what they want. We send billions abroad to help float other governments. We sort out billions for foreign aid. Further billions go on sorting out the commodities of war in other countries.We may aswell just give everyone who enters this country our hard earned taxes and we can all start to live on bread and water.
Yet another stupid law from the EU. The Eu needs to get its house in order. They keep blaming the bankers for the situation that we are in and yet not the careless nature of their spending. 1st scrap the annual move from Brussels to Strasbourg, 2 cut the cost of MEP salaries by 20,000. 3 scrap stupid rules make people work before rewarding them. Protect the vulnerable not economic migrants. Get a grip EU stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution
Look out Britian here I come!!! I have been worrying about how I can retire and not work anymore. Now I know!!! Yiippeeee!!!!!
Yet another stupid law from the EU. The Eu needs to get its house in order. They keep blaming the bankers for the situation that we are in and yet not the careless nature of their spending. 1st scrap the annual move from Brussels to Strasbourg, 2 cut the cost of MEP salaries by 20,000. 3 scrap stupid rules make people work before rewarding them. Protect the vulnerable not economic migrants. Get a grip EU stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution
LEAVE THE EU NOW ALREADY!
This is a phoney EU / Government story, just like the tax on London trading. Cameron will announce victory when he signs away even more of our rights to the unelected EU after a pretend victory against this madness. Beware people of the UK, checkmate is getting closer by the day.
Stephen Booth, research director of think-tank Open Europe, said: ‘Freedom of movement within the EU has largely been positive for the UK Trying hard to get my head round this pearl of wisdom.
I think benefits should be for people who paied tax for let's say 5 years and lost their job or something. I'm originally from Iran :-)
Is the E.U making the same ruling for other countries ? if I move to Germany or Spain, can I expect the same benefits, if not, why not ?
Britain should claim the extra money needed from the E.U. to pay illegal entrants to the country. The E.U. should have no control over British government Rules . they would be better of cleaning up their own backyard first .
Labour, liberal & conservatives all promise but never deliver, surely You have seen through them now, We have to give UKIP a chance.
I have said it before and I will say it again we need and indeed DEMAND a referendum asking us the British public whether we should remain in the EU or pull out of it altogether,and upon reading this story(amongst others)I along with many millions of my fellow citizens would willingly vote to withdraw from this farce corrupt organisation first thing in the morning.
It''s about time we pulled out of Europe... This country was great once... We need to take it back and now...
2 months? Thats generous of them....the Govt will capitulate well before that.
If ever a bunch of no good incompetents needed hanging, it's the EU Commission
Well there is ons simple answer to this!! - LEAVE THE EU!!!!!
How about - each of the EU member countries paying the full benefits of their lot who have chosen to live here. Those people were born in those countries hence their 'mother' country surely has a responsibility towards them - either that or send them back to wherever they came from, we didn't invite them to come here so why should we be lumbered with paying for their keep? The EU becomes a dodgier set up as each year passes. When Neil Kinnock was able to wangle his good lady wife into an EU ministerial role, and then row both his son and daughter in law into front row dining places at the trough, it was surely obvious, even to the staunchest Labourite, that something was amiss, and it just goes on and on!
To the lifeboats! Women, children & decent, hard-working people first-Unbelievable!!!!
my country has been destroyed by our own MP's lack of balls
Well workers of Anglo-Saxon land your taxes will be squandered forever more. Rise up and protest. Bad enough we prop up third world countries like Scotland Cornwall Cymru and Ireland. Now we must give our money away like some viking offering. What do we get in return, probably a bag of boil sweets and a pat on the head. If this goes through forget about ever seeing any wealth being created. BETTER TO LIVE IN POVERTY THAN SEE YOUR MONEY WASTED.
I just thank God that we are 3000 miles from Europe
OK, now it's DEFINITELY time to leave the EU. That Soviet state across the water has gone way beyond its power.
Put simply; isn't it time we told Europe to "shove it!" ?
That's odd, I thought we already did that?
Go on your numpty Labour/Liberal/Toriy supporters, keep voting the way you always have done. Oh, don't forget to have a good moan on here every week about immigrants and how bad things are. Just keep voting for more of the same...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. If you want someone to blame, then blame yourself for the cowardly way you vote.
Nice to know -NOT- where my hard earned is going. Bad enough trying to support the workshy from this countrywithout having to pay for the immigrants aswell
If France and Germany are so keen to see them being paid why don`t they send them there cash as they seem to have so much of it?? in 1945 we should have finnished the job off and drven from Berlin back to Britain with bulldozer`s and removed a foot off of both countries into the sea, we could still do it and just block up the chanel tunnel instead!!
ignore it , it will go away, leave theEU , GIVE US A REFERENDUM
Time to leave the EU boys club: If the government does not do something about the EU sticking it nose in then WE should march on parliament and storm it if need be ( it not as though the Police will do anything) Give us the promised referendum or stand aside and let an honest leader do it.
Britain MUST get out of the EU if it is to survive. Staying in the EU will be the total destruction of Britain. UKIP is the only chance we have.
If the British Government are thinking about leaving the EU, this is the time to do it .
For god sake, we can barely afford it for British people let alone giving it to every Tom, Dick and Harry from Europe. Is our government gonna just let the EU control our every move now?
The government need to leave the EU now or people will soon start rioting.
And? the point is? what a silly piece of journalism, scraping at the bottom of the barrel to fill columns! by 2050 lets hope that people are more educated to appreciate different cultures and that racism is wiped out, that we find a cure for cancer and serous illnesses, that world poverty is a thing of the past and that there is all round peace!!!
There's opportunity for us to do something about it still, use our vote for a start. Much of this is down to blair and the liebour party, oppose them where ever you can!
english if you dont mind when`s the last time you heard a welsh irish or scot call themselves british no.... i thought not
Majority of them can't speak english and don't appriciate our culture tho
vote bnp before its to late
So who comissioned the research?, I could of told you that off the top of my head!, what a waste of money.
Oh well, it's a sinking ship anyway, let them have it.
To all the haters out there, if is offends you so much why not pop on the plane and go somewhere nice and white? I'll even pay your taxi to the airport.
@Sam, London. please attend school. Muslims are a "religion" and therefore, do not count as a race. That would be like me ticking "Christian" instead of "English". Understand now?
Thank you Blair. You are a typical Labour politician, i.e. the nanny state know's what is best for you. You have single-handedly ruined this country with your secret policy of mass immigration which you implemented without any reference to the British public with typical Labour arrogance.
white single mothers on benefits Go forth and multiply!
How disheartening is this? We are a nation now saturated by foreigners and there seems to be no stopping their influx or our willingness to let them walk all over a nation that used to be proud.
Well if you beleive the out of Aftica evolutionary theory we've all got black roots and have common ancestry
"""One in five Britons will be from an ethnic minority by 2050"" Lets Collectively Panic everyone! These are people from planet earth we are talking about right and not some Alien race right??
mass immigration has been a disaster for this country. - GuyBurgess, Eastbourne, 9/1/2013 1:49 In what way? Ask big business and they'll tell you different.
Erm, before you jump on the EDL bandwagon too quickly DM readers, don't forget that the wealth of this country was built on slavery and the invading, subjugation and exploitation of other countries. It works both ways people!
So this will be Labours legacy, the ethnic cleansing of the British Isles. The only thing good to come out of this is that those responsible will be dead by then. - Andy, Accrington, - Cameron has been in power long enough to do something about this but he doesn't give a damn because it doesn't matter to him - cossetted in Central London in the week, then driven down to Chipping Norton at the weekend, how many immigrants do you think he meets on a daily basis? NONE accept when he has a photocall
Since population increases exponentially and we are told this country needs more immigrants to support retirees doesn't that mean that eventually we will need even more people in to sustain what is fundamentally an unsustainable model? Where will the employment come from? Where will the food and water come from? If we build more houses to accommodate people doesn'that mean that we will lose valuable agricultural land and inevitably diminish our food source? I can't get this to add up.
I don't believe a word of it, and the fact that it is state-sponsored reinforces my opinion. The country is more likely to resemble London in ethnicity than anything else. Funny how they are always telling us about how many Eastern Europeans and New Zealanders are coming here but not a mention of how many Pakistanis, Indians or Africans, who in the main make up the vast majority of immigrants.
Thank goodness I'll be dead.
Prosperity & Status? Wow, does that mean our benefits bill comes down and us working taxpayers can have a rebate?
White, English people need to start procreating and also have bigger families. Also the government needs to halt ALL immigration. This country is a mess with unstricted immigration over a short length of time. The white working class male has suffered the most, almost all immigrants took their unskilled jobs leaving them with no jobs. A lot went on to be taxi drivers, but now those jobs are being taken by immigrants.
1 in 5 by 2050?!? Maybe in a little village in the middle of nowhere. Go to a big city like Birmingham and you will think that you are in Karachi, extremely overcrowded, where white people are the minority.
They don't like white people but when it comes to taking our money it's another story
but if labour get back in power it will be more like 4 out of 5 with in 5 years !
It is the bonus of the Queens 60 year legacy. The royals started this with charles 2 and the slave trade, she continued it with the hms wind rush at the start of her tenure then improved it with her joining the eu. Personally i think she has done a good job we are better as a mixed race. After all the royals aren't british they come from Europe so its only natural for them to be pro immigrant. If it werent for the royals we wouldnt be so diverse, i thank them for it.
My parents came here in the 1960s from india worked hard ever since. Paid tax all their life. Now their children can't find work.. Now the European workers have better status here because they are white.
It's Wednesday......... must be xenophobia day..... a little surprised the Farage brigade aren't on here yet
This is according to the census. Doesn't include those who do not complete a census forms or the illegals. The take over has been rapid. How many imigrants did we have before WWII?
Then they will not be minorities will they.
England has been irrevocably changed and we have never had a say in the matter.
Goodbye to the British nationality, we are going to end up as unidentifiable mongrels,a mixed breed , not identity as a race left.
I don't care about skin tone, but you just watch how women rights will go to pot. It's not the person I care about, but the persons ideology, and warped view of the world.
population replacement through immigration
-SteveL, London, United Kingdom, Yes it is nice to see people succeed, but had this country given the "Real British" people the same chance to succeed as they have to foreigners, the "Real British" people would have had the chance to prosper, instead of k
Will we ever again have a government that believes in the indigenous population of Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish and English, to be able to do great things again, this present generation of professional politicians seems to be running the country as some sort of giant social engineering experiment for the rest of the world.
If UKIP get in soon a stop could be made to a certain extent,but we keep voting the other 2 parties in so we can wave goodbye to what was our country,thank you Tony Blair....Its awful living here now. afraid to go out at night,afraid to have to go to hospital,my grandchildren have had a very basic education too, immigration on a much smaller scale would have been so much better but no you had to open the floodgates to the entire third world.
ah typical daily mail readers. All those who are happy that the UK has such a vast array of different cultures are all red arrowed, while the UKIP ("acceptable" middle class version of the BNP) are seen voting lot of green arrows for any bigoted or down right racist comment that appears. Get a grip and embrace the fact that we are a country that has the freedom to embrace all these different cultures, get to know these people that you are so quick to judge and bask in are multi cultural society.
When the British go abroad we don't demand to build church's or force our belives on to others, the immigrants coming too England do this.
Karma
it's nice to see that we welcome people from all over the world and give them a chance to succeed. SteveL London Not at the expence of our own people!
No doubt by 2050 they will not have to worry about it as the government probalby will not be white British any way
How sad that the rulers of our once great country, Blair, Brown, Cameron etc. hated it so much they gave it away to immigrants. We've lost our identity and we wonder why kids are growing up without patriotism today. We did away with the Lord Prayer in morning assembley because we might offend Muslims. It beggars belief how far we've fallen as a country in my lifetime. I pray everyone wakes up and votes UKIP and we can recover some common sense at last. It breaks my heart to be set adrift like this.
And with it the standard of living will decline until the UK looks like an extension of some far off land - and broke!!
im going to live elsewhere soon hopefully
Genuinely British people will be the minority group in Britain soon enough..
im English not British any one can call them selves british
The left wing will say this is good but consider this: Many of the left wing would LOVE a world for one country, one race, one religion as a way of defeating "racism" but isn't that what Hitler wanted? So who is worse? The rest of the lefties who see this as good will encourage England to be mainly mixed raced, but isn't that ethnic cleansing of white people similar to Yugoslavia? The thins is the far right and far left are as bad as each other, the only problem is through history we have learnt to identify and repel the right wing, people are oblivious to the left wing and the evidence is that since the 70s the government has been shifted to the left and nobody has realised. Prime example: Labour party's mass immigration of the 90s and current Conservative and Liberal EU open door policies we cannot have a referendum on.
DM we all know this. Why do you need to repeat it?
Tha earths the Lords and everything in it...it's how we treat one another matters.
And you cant get bacon in a uk KFC
Only one in five? Now let''s see the real figures!
Isn't this the case already? :-S
I predict a riot.
I've had it with immigrants.. I am leaving the country to find a better life for myself and my family in another country where prospects are better. (Does anyone see the irony in such comments?) - I'm Brian and so is my Wife., Judea, 9/1/2013 7:24 You mean you are immigrating to another country?
And this is a bad thing why? Pathetic, Hitler would be glad you are keeping up the good old fascist work.
I think it's really sad that the worst rated comment is someone saying skin colour doesn't matter.
A damning statistic, absolutely nothing to proud of, Thanks for nothing New Liebour.
Beautiful country that has gone to ruins and it is too late to do anything about it!!! Thanks tony blair... I feel sorry for my children... And I'm English never British..
I am an Indian born in the UK and always will class myself as British and I am very proud of that fact
We have been a blessed generation, I fear for my children's and grand children's future. - travelling, somewhere, 9/1/2013 4:00 i feel blessed growing up in the nineties. so at least some of it was good even though future's bleak.
As long as they describe themselves as British and are proud of the fact does it matter?
What is it with socialist and eugenics?
I know people in the countryside don't mind as they have space. Well people in towns and cities like a bit of space to. Doesn't look like we're going to get any though.
UK is losing its heritage, culture , and identity....so sad. I am not racist, but it is beautiful to see the unique side of each country of this planet, and celebrate our differences, rather than just mixing stuff and living in a globalised world where languages, rituals, and unique feautures are melting in the name of globalisation.
Let's face it by 2050 civilisation in this country will pretty much have broken down due to the sheer weight of numbers and the likes of Tony Blair's offspring won't be affected as they will be rich enough to live where they like in the world.
I am not white either....i am more of a light pink lol. Not many people are completely black or white. i have never understood why people lump themselves into such specific categories. Many people who identify as 'black' are actually dark brown skinned.....why do we need to have one or the other! Everyone is a different colour, deal with it!
Stop with the British! I am and will always be English.
All the result of Liebour's admitted social engineering policy to tilt the balance of power in their favour for ever. What could possibly go wrong?
As long as they live by British values, why does it matter? Need I remind the small minded readers here that people can't choose what color their parents are.
We are ruined. Labour has destroyed us.
An horrific betrayal by our political class.
Thank goodness I will never see that.
If we stopped all this "ethnic minority" nonsense and just got on with being British the country might just be a better place. I really couldn't give a monkey's whatsit what particular shade of black, brown, white, yellow or any combination thereof anyone is. And I give even less of one where your grandparents came from. Mine came from the Isle of Man as it happens - does that give me a right to a low tax rate?
i doubt it will get that far..civil unrest is brewing
biggest invasion in these Islands history and our politicians just allowed it to happen
How very very sad, I could cry for this country, what was my country
So this will be Labours legacy, the ethnic cleansing of the British Isles. - Andy, Accrington, United Kingdom, 9/1/2013 1:46 ---------------------------------------------------- Isn't ethnic clensing what British did in Australia, New Zealand, Americas, etc. and even worst the slavery in Africa & plundering India for 2 centuries. Looks like Britain's karma's coming back to haunt them !!!
This what the Labour Party wants, as they all vote Labour, ths country is going nowhere.
Goodbye to the Britain I love, I say this with no malice whatsoever, it is now inevitable.
does orange tanned people count as non-white British cause in that case in Essex we don't need to wait 2050!
Oh no affirmative action
and do you think when we've been 'cleansed' out of our own country those traitorous politicians even imagine their imports will allow them to rule, stupid, stupid, stupid, what made the world incredible is the diversity of the nations, all the same=boring.
Thanks to our politicians our country has become a cess pitt, and it wont get any better until we get politicians who fight for Britain and it's citizens..!!!
It really is about time something was done to stop this happening!
I hope Tony Blair can read!!!! Look Tony what have you done.- McLarenfan, Leicester, United Kingdom, 9/1/2013 1:27 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He's not bothered, he doesn't have to live here.
i look on in despair at what the treacherous Liebour did to this country, and i'll never accept being lumped into the same category as every foreigner who calls himself British, i'm English and will remain so
Britain is no longer a 'green and pleasant land' thanks to just TWO catastrophic experiments introduced by LABOUR governments - The Multicultural Society and Comprehensive Education. People should remember that next time they are asked to vote.
The British have only themselves to blame by continually voting in traitorous polititians that support the demise of UK whites. You can guarantee that at the next election the majority of PC spineless whites will vote for more of the same.
This country is completely bonkers.
Had enough in 2003, That's when i came to New Zealand,Had never been here before and didn't know anybody, Just myself the wife and kids. I can recommend it to anyone, Its like the UK was before they let every man and his dog in, Its a very safe place to live, Kids grow up as kids and the weather, well, it was 27 Degrees here today in Auckland. And by the way, its not like Aussie, there are no snakes or poisonous spiders in NZ. And its full of us poms
My ancestors came from Britain so I prefer to be called 'British' not 'white'.
What's so wrong with being a non-white Briton? And I'm sure plenty of Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish don't consider themselves white-British either.
well then .... you have 37 years to offset the balance.
And this will co-incide with minority groups like the BNP and EDL becoming majority groups !
Multi racialism works up to the point where the indigenous folk don't feel threatened. What worries me is multiculturalism which never works & leads to violence, as in Northern Ireland where the two sides are white, English speaking Christians.
And this is something that we are supposed to be celebrating about? The mass murder and destructive of indeginous white British if evryone's culture is respected and enjoyed why are western Governments going to such lenghts to seemingly kill us all off drive us out of our own countries?
Thank the Lord by then I will be dead and buried.
I prefer to be called just English tbh. - Andy , Wigan, United Kingdom, 09/1/2013 08:22 ================ do you think that will make any difference.
All going to plan then. What happens next is the minority becomes the majority and decides to elect people with values aligned with their own. Then civil conflict. Then goodbye England. Unless???
Cheers Dave, Gordon and Tony. Job well done.
The ethnic cleansing of England. The Labour party and the EU have had as their goal the total destruction of England and the English - it looks as if they have succeeded.
What has been created here is the British people have turned against their own country, we are no longer proud to be British, we have no loyalty to a country that wants us to be British when it suit it ie Jubilee , royal wedding etc, and ignores the please of it's people ,no one minds multi culturism , what we do mind is being over taken by cultures, when in rome!!!!
Makes me laugh how we`re expected to believe the population level for 10 to 15 years time when you only have to recall pre-pc Geography A Level statistics in 1983.
Can we stop pointing the finger at Labour, please? We've had a new government for two years and nothing's changed. About time they took some credit.
Your articles are sounding more like an English Defence League publication every day. Why can't you celebrate diversity. I'm 50 yrs old, was born in England from Indian parents, have worked all my life, have 2 kids, and also volunteer in the community. Don't forget that immigration in the 50's/60's was actually by invitation because the indigenous (white) British didn't want to work in low-key jobs - and is still the same even now !!
This type or article is actually completely racist and the fact it draws no particular conclusion other than to point out that some people are not white seems provocative. We live in a world where it is not illegal to move to another country if you quite fancy the idea and give it a go at being successful for yourself there. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as ex pats. If all the people in the world were white blondes with perfect physique and all equal intellect this article would be about the number of ones with brown coloured eye pupils in the country compared to the ones with blue coloured eye pupils. You'd agree that would seem odd, yes.
who once said that the UK is becoming the worlds cess pool?
can we have an article on why labour voters are so thick ?
I have you heard any MP mention this fact. No, because they are the ones who are responsible for the loss of our nationhood.
Never, ever vote Labour again. Never forget - they are responsible for this.
One of Blairs first edicts was `We are going to change this country, once and for all`.....Thanks Tony.
If the truth were told, it's more likely that only 1 in 5 will describe themselves as white Anglo Saxon.
Goodbye my beloved England
The poisonous legacy of Labour/Conservative/Liberal governments.These traitors have allowed all and sundry to flood into my country. The awful thing is that I'm trapped in this hell-hole, because the better countries I'd now consider to escape to have strict points-based entry ctriteria, and despite my many years of post-grad professional work experience I (like many others) am now over the age limit to emmigrate to Australia/New Zealand/Canada etc.
the English do not exist, no country, no Parliament, no passport, no constitution, they are a doomed lost nation.
This is frightening beyond belief - our country will be utterly transformed. Indigenous Brits are no more important or special than any other form of humanity but the fact is this is our home, our way of life, our culture, our values. I don't put us on a pedestal and claim we are superior to others but we belong here and the risk is that we will be swept away by a tidal wave of diversity. And when we are fully engulfed by every race, creed and culture on this planet, believe me, we will not be championing it as "vibrant" and something to celebrate. The British way of life is being marginalised, our common bonds of kith and kin torn apart; our country filling to the rafters; our roads gridlocked; our countryside bulldozed. Meanwhile, the politicians with the power to do something about it fail to act for fear of being labelled racist. It makes me sick.
And all because the Labour Party wanted votes, quite sad really when you think about it, actually quite sad full stop.
A very flawed study. At what point or should i say, at what shade does black become white? European means what? an EU Country or a country from mainland Europe. Iceland is in Europe. Falklands are British. Is Norway counted as European? Wikipedia states "British people (also referred to as the British, Britons, or informally as Brits or Britishers) are citizens or natives of the United Kingdom, Crown Dependencies, British Overseas Territories, and their descendants" Im not sure that this survey really tells us much. Us people who live and work outside the confienes of ivory towers and middle class suburbs and rich enclaves dont need this kind of categorization to tell us that we are full and overflowing.
Well Tony Blair's speechwriter, Andrew Neather - did state a toxic multiculturalism was specifically introduced to break up the existing British culture (and the same is happening in Australia)
British, it is only a name. I think a lot of people in this country who call themselves British, are actually still living their own culture, religion, history of their homeland, what they are actually are "Whatever" nationality living in Britain. They are no more British thean the Brits living in Spain, ask the Spanish whether they think the ex-pats are Spanish!
Terrible shame.
Thank you labour.you lot won't see the government benches for a long time to come. Hell will freeze over, come to mind.
one in five is hardly a minority.
and???? your point being DM? personally I am proud to live in a country where we embrace other cultures. absolutely ashamed of the 'british' that hate any other race or colour. however, saying that, anyone who does not work and is not a british citizen should be deported. it is unfair for others to pay for someone to do nothing. but is someone is keen to work and just wants a better life than they would get in their own country, then that is fine by me. obviously gonna get red arrows seeing as the majority of those who read this will be angry, right-winged, BNP/ EDL supporters.
How depressing.
The legacy of the BLiar, McBroon, Mandelson and New Liebour. Lets hope the brain dead Liebour supporters wake up to the fact that the children of these traitors are still running Liebour.
1 in 5!!! not in Tooting. More like 4 in 5.
THIS NEWS IS SSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO COOL.............................AND LONG MAY IT CONTINUE.
Disgusting!
A much smaller % than the 50% of Americans who are likely to be of Hispanic origin by that date. A profound cultural shift, especially if Spanish survives the melting pot & effectively turns the US into a bilingual society. Still, I suppose if George W. Bush can cope, then all the other WASPs have more than a sporting chance. The whole world has been becoming mixed up for half a millennium now. We have foreign trees & plants in our gardens & eat food with foreign origins inclding the humble potato. So the idea of keeping apart the different races (a cultural rather than a biological concept) seems utterly bizarre. However, every society has the right to worry about the pace & amount of immigration & to set qualitative standards for immigants.
I prefer to be called just English tbh.
OOooooh immigrashun scaaaarrry bad!!!! But let's analyse this; if you could condense the population of the UK into 5 people ....4 of them would be white.
Thank you Tony Blair!
not so Great Britain will become a third world country at this rate
People have moved out of cities to escape the violence and crime and now we find out its just going to follow us to the suburbs, thanks Labour!
Perhaps being the minority we will be listened too more!
What would you do if a indigeneous British man fell in love with a foreign girl and became successful together? We should be free to travel and settle anywhere in the world without the bogus politics of EU or UN!
Along as they don't bring radical ideas with them .
I think the government should be doing something about the escalating number of orange people. They are everywhere. ITV has been overrun by them. When I go to Westfield Shopping Centre on a Saturday afternoon I feel like an alien in my own country.
Thanks to Tony and his traitorous government.
By 2050?
I suppose if I say this really sickens me and makes me angry I will be declared a racist, so be it. It really sickens me and makes me angry that my country is being slowly transformed and taken over. Britain for the Brits say I!!!!!!!!
'By 2050' don't you mean by May 2013?
Reading the anti-Welsh xenophobic comments from another article made depressing reading, until I read the comments on THIS article. Basically, a huge number of readers are simple racist and xenophobic bigots who frankly, the sooner you leave this country the better - we will be far better off without your small minded prejudiced views.
I'd like to know if it will be same statistics in other European countries? I don't think so some how. I think they'll have the balls to do something about it.
Thanks for nothing Tony and nu labour
Why is this News noticed DM always projects negative News are they all not human. Silly article.
GB should take a look at the US or Australia or Canada or NZ. You are an American or Australian or Canadian first and foremost. I am British when in gb but otherwise Australian everywhere else and yes I am not of white Anglo story know.
Get us out of the vile EU and that will immediately get rid of millions and stop millions more coming here. Close our borders. Stop giving benefits and NHS treatments to NON British people.
I'm only 21 and I can't wait to get out this country. It's disgraceful what has been done. I feel we can't say what we think and if we do its seen as 'racist'. We have built up so much history and culture in this country for it being continuously destroyed. We don't settle in other countries and demand churches to be built, to have all our medical care paid for and be funded by their state. Had enough of all this. I'm proud to be British but not proud of what's been done to our country
What does it matter, in this day and age, what skin colour you have? It's who you are as a person that counts. - argyle, manchester, United Kingdom, _________________________________________The fact that you got red arrows for a very true comment shows just how racist and xenophobic white Brits are. So if in 2050, 20% of the population is non-white British what's the problem with that? A whopping 80% will still be white British anyway. You just can't handle the fact that non-white Brits are increasing in wealth and rank in society and becoming more prosperous. They all want us to be beneath them,doing menial jobs that they wouldn't otherwise do. Notice how the article says their cousins from NZ, Australia and America will be the most prosperous. Of course they will have no problem with that because they are white. The closer anyone resembles and speaks like a white Brit, the more you are accepted.Why don't us minorities just leave leave their countries for them cos we are not liked
Labour did this. Don't forget it next time you vote!!!
the governments have done all they can to destroy the history and culture of this once great country in the past 15 years they have made irreparable fundamental changes that have already started to have massive changes, the country is skint ! benefits are out of control and when we try to address them, we talk about poverty! nonsense, get tough, get rid and start again, firstly with human rights act secondly out of Europe
Labours plan is working then !
Moving out to the nice suburbs where there is better education and less crime...? I wonder how long before the same areas become known for their poor education and high crime.
call yourself whatever you want ----------------but im English
less crime in the suburbs? Not for long.....
I thought that was the percentage already.
The 'white' people who are planning to leave your own country because of this will be the same as the 'non-whites' who have migrated here. Why do you think YOU will be welcomed in someone else's country?
How depressing
Immigration is a joke, I'm moving abroad.
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide 1948, defines genocide as ¿any of a number of acts committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.¿ It doesn¿t have to be violent.
its a disgrace close down all sun bed shops and lest blot out the sun
So if a dark skinned person marred a 'white British' person and had children, would the children be classed as 'non-white', because surely that is adding to the percentage of non 'white British' ? And does it matter anyway?
This is not a new phenomenon We have been emigrating for years India Australia etc
It's nice to see that we welcome people from all over the world and give them a chance to succeed
What I think is so sad is the loss of individuality ... When I go on holiday I want to see, smell, taste and experience the culture of the place I visit ... Spanish food, American beauty, etc we love cruising and the differences in the ports is wonderful ... All this integration means a pigswill of 'sameness' I don't want to have to eat the same everywhere I go ... If you're Black, White, Green or Orange be proud of that and stay in your own culture to preserve it or the whole world will just be a washed down soup of sludge :-(
I guess Britain needs foreign workers to service the foreign workers, and asylum seekers are needed to justify the human rights industry. Self perpetuating nonsense.
Its all going to pot here,such a shame England was a great place to live.
Blair, Brown, Campbell, Harman etc should be on trial for treason there was no mention of an open door immigration policy in their manifesto nor were the British people consulted over their plans.
So what daily mail? as long as the people are law abiding and not abusing this countrys benefit system and paying tax, so what?
Don't believe the research more likely to be 2 out of 5.
I've had it with immigrants.. I am leaving the country to find a better life for myself and my family in another country where prospects are better. (Does anyone see the irony in such comments?)
felix, wales, the white british people have every right to describe themselves as that. If both your parents were born here, and their parents before them, and the family has white skin, what are you supposed to say?
Melting Pot by Blue Mink sums up exactly what the world needs to eradicate classification by skin. Discrimination of any sort is abhorrent, people need to abandon any politics or religion that does so.
And the man who got us in this almighty mess, Tony Blair, is now a multi-millionaire who needn't concern himself with the small matters of the little man.
Why not non British rather than it be based on skin colour?
Tell us something we don't know. Its only the 650 people in a London building who have no idea what is going on.
That is the beauty of this country .
Funny how none of the people who have created this wonderful multicultural melting-pot live anywhere near it isn't it ???
Irs beautiful, i love it. But for those of you complaining and saying you are leaving the country. Where will you go, what do you think you will be doing to another country. Its called immigration there too. So you are a hypocrite.
Wonderful...
So this was Labour's plan all along, enforced integration to achieve multiculturalism through a policy of unfettered immigration and the legacy will be the loss of the indigenous British (English, Scots and Welsh), in just a few decades.No wonder the brighter ones are shoving off the Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
ui consider myself white english the amount of times ive had people try to change it to white british and i get very annoyed thanks to the labour government anyone can be british
we have a duty to look after immigrants as we are a rich country and they are from poor counties have a heart.
I'll be 80 by then Thank God!
This outcome was not part of any manifesto. It was not up for meaningful public debate. It didn't happen by accident. So how and why was democracy quietly suspended to favour persons of other nationalities and often conflicting cultures?
What does it matter, in this day and age, what skin colour you have? It's who you are as a person that counts. - argyle, manchester....................I totally agree BUT, its the numbers that have arrived, some with no job or skills that have caused the problems with the NHS etc....
Like it or not, our country has neither the space nor the resource to cope with such a vast increase in population wherever it may wish to come from. With little spending on infrastructure, housing, schools etc. we are simply being dragged down to the levels of the countries that many of these people have come from in the first place!
My ancestors fought and died for nothing. Their sacrifice to maintain Britain for the British with their own cultural and historical identity was futile.
So by 2050 4 out of 5 will still be white then?
Transformation project nearing completion, and it only took around 50 years. Imagine what it's going to be like after a 100 years. Wish I was around to see it......then again, perhaps not. I must admit, I used to enjoy the feeling of being a nation.
Depressing!
Well we could see this coming. I'll probably be dead but it's my kids and Grandkids I feel sorry for.
Only 1 in 100 Australians and Americans are natives peoples of their country thanks to Britian.
The UK looks and behaves like a third world country due to Labours open door policies, there is nothing Great about Britain any more. All the hard work we achieved such as sexual equality, acceptance of same sex relationships, animal welfare are all gone now to be politically correct. This country is finished.
Would have expected more to be honest
get over it. things change. anyway it comes as a result of Britain colonising all those countries.
And your point is?
There will be no UK left by 2050
If only we could protect our boarders. But no, we aren't allowed to do that as we have Governments that want to be part of Europe. Get us out of EU before we become a social security and health providing state for the rest of Europe. Vote for a political party that WILL make the relevant changes not one that simply talks the talk and lies (oops sorry, makes u-turns).
Whitechapel seems to have beaten that "1 in 5" by some 37 years - looks more like 4 in 5.
My guess is that it will be sooner than 2050!
I thought it would be 1 in 5 Brits will call themselves white in 2050.
Put a hold for 20 years on people who have never paid a penny into the system, then perhaps the Population of Britain will go down to a sustainable level of 45 million people. Too late by 40 years.
End of an era... no, sorry, end of a civilisation!
I could say the same for Spain a I am sure in 2050 1/5 will be white British
are we allowed to comment on this I'm white I didn't know if I was going to offend anyone.
Minorities grow in prosperity because they shop their own stores and speak their own languages. If the British did the same they would be called racist.
And all breed like bloody rabitts.
So we will have been ethnically cleansed, which is supposed to be against the Geneva convention obviously only when it suits.
3out of 5 sounds more like the real figure!
London has the largest number of foreign born people of any city in the world (just under 40%). In it Asians increased by 60% in the last 10 years and Africans by 39% while white numbers shrank. Don't forget there are also 900,000 illegal immigrants (mostly from Asia, Africa) who aren't counted in these census stats. So why did a heritage of white people with thousands of years on these Islands allow such mass colonisation: it's not immigration. How did we go from 'we will fight them on the beaches' to Edward Heath's Eurozone 'open borders' and Tony Blair's 'free land grab for everyone'? Romania et al are coming into the EU next and we could easily get another million without checks. Teresa May knows she will get criminals en masse (all on state aid). Blair wants Turkey in next... If British Anglo Saxons are too lazy and stupid to protect our sovereignty and culture then we deserve what we get. And we will get it - show me someone who moves into a new house and doesn't redecorate?
over 80% of immigrant vote goes to labour,thats why you have mass immigration under labour NEVER TRUST LABOUR WITH IMMIGRATION
Yay :)
It's five our of five in Birmingham already...
As long as they can speak English, appreciate our customs and work I see little problem
Thought that had happened 10 years ago! If by prosperity you mean benefits than I agree. As for status, not so much.
Look around you. I think you are talking about 2013 rather than 2050.
We need to get together and stop this now before its too late..We are ok for now but what about our future Grandkids and their kids, my Father and his Father fought to keep this country British but we are doing nothing to help our future young ones......
I really have no problem with these figures. Just so long as said people speak English, integrate into their adopted communities and... oh wait.
This is alarming and so sad. A country's identity should never be threatened. Immigration and multi-culturism is a great thing but it has to be controlled. It amazes me that so many people put Britain down but they all seem to come here in their droves to enjoy western luxuries and no doubt the odd benefit cheque. I doubt any government in the Middle East would allow a load of Christians to flock to their countries permanently. I never ever thought I would ever say this but UKIP, UKIP and more UKIP!
I'll be dead by then.
I prophesy that it will be at least 20 years sooner than the 'so called experts' predict. In 2004 my Chinese wife and I visited UK.It was her first time. We took a taxi from Maidstone to cental London to visit a relative of mine. She had no idea of what London was like,other than the Queen and Parliament were there.Nearly at our destination close to Buckingham Palace,she asked me, "Are there any white people living in London?" This was just the comment of a visitor seeing it for the first time.
Or 4 out of 5 Britons will describe themselves as white.
We have been a blessed generation, I fear for my children's and grand children's future.
Its up to Britain to take control of this........or not !
And the other 4 will be East European "Bom Bom"
We have to make sure that the previous governments policies of multiculturalism appeasement are replaced with a drive to encourage a return to British values such as tolerance , politeness, appreciation of tradition, national heritage and planning or else all we will have are separate cultures living and socialising separately with tensions within UK. Now is the time as never before for Britain to stamp its authority and culture on new immigrants. if they don't like it, they can get out.
Thanks Gordon Brown for the majority of that figure.
Cue all the comments from the far right about now.........
Theres no such thing as racial or ethnically originated skin colour. We,re all genetic rainbows. Celebrate diversity, rather than preaching intolerance.
Do these spin and waffle statistics include the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently loitering in the UK whom the lousy coalition government cannot trace? I am no longer proud to be English in England. THE UK IS FINISHED.
It is with deep regret that I find this article saddens me. My initial reaction is of shock and "something must be done to curb this". However, now I have calmed down a bit I see that me reaction is one of a racist with a misplaced sence of nationalism. It hope other's make the same reflections that I have made. Its easy to get carried away and be led by arguments that 78 millions of people won't peacefully share this crowded island.
"Britan"? I think you mean England, Scotland and Wales vote Labour for a reason!
When I worked in the UAE and Indonesia, I was not allowed any rights or able to buy land or own a business outright... why can other nationalities come here and be allowed to do what they want. ALSO, if I tried to open a church or practice my own religion in these Islamic countries, I would be persecuted, because they want to keep their culture and religion intact...something is MAJORLY wrong with what is happening to our country. If voting UKIP will wind back these changes, then I am all for voting for them.
By 2050 ? These figures are rubbish. They are based on people who declare themselves in the census or in other official counts. REALITY CHECK: Britain is now full of people who don't want to be counted, or who can't be counted, or don't have the language skills to be counted, or who are told not to get themselves counted. Get on a London bus daily, and then do a count yourself. I regularly find myself to be the only White British person on London buses from West to East. I pass no judgement on that. It's simply an observation. We have no idea who is in this country.
This country has become a total joke to me (especially the justice system). No plans to start a family here whatsoever
It won't be me because leaving this down and out country!! I'm just so angry living here!
What does it matter, in this day and age, what skin colour you have? It's who you are as a person that counts.
I like how in your non-white articles dm you consistently & without fail show Muslims as opposed to other ethnic minorities. Not bias at all dm! Scaremongering is your forte. You've already welcomes Poles & Romanians with open arms then? The home owners opened the doors to the strangers...vent your fury at the ones that opened the doors.
And we'll be told that we should be celebrating this, mass immigration has been a disaster for this country.
So this will be Labours legacy, the ethnic cleansing of the British Isles. The only thing good to come out of this is that those responsible will be dead by then.
'white British' how come Britain is so racist it's native population have no right to describe themselves as such?
By the year 2100 most of the World will be mixed race so hopefully no division of colour amongst the various Nations....Sadly. Though; whilst I'm no prophet, I forsee increasing religeous hatered which has the potential to send us all back to the dark ages unless we're careful. What can be done about it?...it's for future generations to say, so long as they have a future.
A culture is the product of a people, not a people the product of a culture. If you change the population mix you will change the culture. Are the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish really so worthless? Do we deserve this destruction of our cultures? Because that will be the unfortunate result of this continued influx.
"The 78 million prediction for the overall population made by the report means that academics believe the country is bound to exceed the 70 million population point considered by many analysts to be likely to overstretch housing, transport, water, power and education resources." They wanted it they can fix it, I'm off. The very thing that attracts them here is been destroyed.
Disgraceful.
I'm sort of creamy-pink.
Thought that would already be the case to be honest.
This has nothing to do with "prosperity and status" and everything to do with immigration
If it wasn't for EU immigration we would already be there?!
I hope Tony Blair can read!!!! Look Tony what have you done.
who fault is that,
- Gem, Huntingdon UK, 02/10/2011 15:43 Click to rate Rating 2 ....................................................................What ? - Are you a voter ?
This is the kind of stink-up we need to get the docile British roused into action. Let's be honest, most of your neighbours don't care about Europe, do they? At least, that is what we are always being told by the polling "experts". All they care about is jobs and the economy (supposedly). Well, if it IS true that Europe is something they consider to be "out of sight out of mind" then look out, because they're in for a huge nasty awakening.
Well my concern is about the Polisch & Lithuenien People the dont get in there Country that what the get in ouer Country,this Hypocrites of the smaller and the eastern Countrys in Europe would tell there People to came to hear and claimall the Benefits the can get. What did the Germans & Austrian do to the dont get all the Eastern Countrys the got into the EU put a Entry blockish for 7 Jears on this EU Newcommers and the all got on the Gravytrain to ouer Country and the should be send back then we got most of the Eastern Block People in Britain, and it should be stopped that the Children the have in this Country get Btitish Citicenship should have there Paraints Nationalety to there can be send back if the commit a Crime why lumber us with the burden of this People Children, the Germans wanted Europe to be a little America with the Germans ruling this sham. And ouer stupied Poletion going again against there Peoples wishes and will letting more caming in.
Isn't £45 million PER DAY into the bottomless EU slush fund enough? We cannot afford to give Europe any more. We cannot even afford this amount. Just look at all the cuts we have to endure in order to ensure the EU pensions of parasites like our own leaders and those in the EU. Does ANYONE actually care about the people of Europe? What good does benefit tourism do for anyone? There will soon be no longer any incentive to work here in Europe at all. Maybe that is the whole point of the EU? The EU has lost the plot completely and is no longer, if it ever was, a force for good. It seems to be hell bent on destroying the very countries once able to help it. Its ravenous hunger for more and more money must be stopped immediately. They have proved to be totally irresponsible and if they cannot manage the enormous amounts already given to it, then they should not be given another penny. It all goes to the greedy bankers, developers and into private Swiss bank accounts
LET THEM IN,,,,,,,, YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT,,,, ENCOURAGE DAVID CAMERON TO MAKE MORE CUTS TO THE COUNTRY AND IT WILL BE THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WILL BE PENALISED FOR HAVING THEM HERE AND OUR NHS ABUSED. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVERYONE WHO HAS VOTED A GREEN ARROW SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND CREATE A PROTEST.
me thinking european: you all have it wrong. yes we have to share a little and get rid of the bad apples WHAT PLANET HAVE YOU COME FROM? WE HAVE GOT TOO MANY BAD APPLES IN THE COUNTRY ALREADY, WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE, (ARE YOU A BAD APPLE) ?
Barry from Sussex is right not to trust what our politicians are spouting. Duncan-Smith and Grayling know exactly why the EC is picking on the British government first. Because for years the government have been illegally and vindictively denying disability benefits to just a few hundred elderly, sick and disabled British citizens living in Europe - even though most of them are still paying UK taxes. Even the European Commission is shocked at the way our government have treated their own citizens - little wonder they don't trust them with everyone else.
"Poland gets a dole of just £110 a month". £110 will buy you a lot more in Poland than the UK! Has the writer of this article not seen the price of food and rent in the UK? Article is designed to bash unemployed implying they are somehow well off in the UK. But here's no way Poles would be better off here on benefits than in Poland.
"Oh my god have you seen the lastest headline...I think we maybe getting a vote...YES - Sophiel, Dorset

Which headline would that be, and where?"
"Petitions and Peaceful Protests dont work. What next ? - jason, uk

I'd start with a 3 day General Strike. One week later, a 7 day one, one week later 14 days. If they still dont listen and give us our say, all out indefinitely.

A 3 day general strike would shut the UK down. 7 or 14 days would absolutely terrify our politicians."
It was the Conmen that got us into this mess, what chance does anyone think they will get us out of it? I voted against joining the eu all those years ago because I could see things like this happening. The big Mr C promised us a referendum, noticably he is very quiet about it now he's got the top job. My latest grandchild is due in February, I dread to think what the future holds for her. I'm glad I've worked hard and know that what I leave when I vacate this world may well be enough to get my family out of this hellhole of a country.
Oh my god have you seen the lastest headline...I think we maybe getting a vote...YES
WE neeed to get out of Europe now end of. Cameron wake up and don't be so dopey.
Actually we didn't have a vote when HEATH signed us into the common market what we had was a vote on whether to stay in and NOW we have DM and other journalists saying to persuade people to vote yes to stay in was a mistake.......I voted to come out!
I hear the British National Party have a " We Want a Referendum Now " petition to get out of Europe, all you green arrows get on line and vote. thank you DM great reporting of the facts...
What will become of the deceptive cohort traitors when their times up?- suggestions now please for the whole day,so they can get a feel when they read up. Who knows,they may start to worry and sit up then. - Tom, WIRRAL, 1/10/2011 10:40.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brilliant response now keep it up on-mass,rest assured it will be noted.
What planet are these EU idiots on? If Poland pays out £110 a month and we pay out much more the flood of migrants seeking benefits could bring our country down. These hare-brained schemes will destabilise Europe. - KitKat, UK, 1/10/2011 21:35 No KitKat.........you don't get it, with the payment of greater benefits and a free for all they don't want to destabilize Europe....they want to destabilize Great Britain, we are therefore more at there mercy.
And still the Queen sits on her backside and does nothing to help us. Why ? Because she's raking it in and is part of the NWO. Who wil help us ?
Oh for heaven sake, get us out of this stupid and pathetic Union. It's costing Britain a fortune being in it. What's the point! Come on Cameron, just stick your two fingers up to these unelected fools, and give us a referendum. It's been long overdue now, otherwise the longer we stay in it, Britain is doomed.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. . .as an outsider, I'm seeing the U.K. going down the toilet because of the EU. Isn't there some way to get out of it? Please don't bash me - I have a lot of friends in the U.K. and I see how they struggle. - Jo, USA, 30/9/2011 22:10 Jo, we won't bash you. The UK citizens out, it's the people in power who continue with this and they refuse to give us a referendum. They can only keep the deluge of angry UK citizens back for so long.
The demise of the EU is long overdue. Why are German politicans willing to risk the stability of their citizens for this dictatorship, expensive, useless club including our own politicans who refuse to give us a referendum. We want out now.
Referendum NOW! Or we will be sold out by our government yet again, UKIP for me next time around, really fed up with the Cons, Libs & Labour. We need a complete change. If any of the three main parties stay in power or get into power next time because exsisting Con, Lib or Lab supporters haven't got the nuts to change then they will have a lot to answer for. Why do we continue to get governments that don't listen to the voters but continue with their own aims & lie to us.
Almost every person I speak to, hear from, and read comments from has had enough of the EU. Someone out there will know how much it costs us directly and indirectly; billions, and what is the benefit to us exactly? Would EU countries stop trading with us if we pulled out? No of course not. We are always told it would be disaster if we pulled out, I don't believe it. If the govt held a referendum tomorrow on pulling out of Europe we'd be out, that's why they don't do it. We can only hope the EC'S increasing stupidity will push our governent into calling one.
Those people knocking the UKIP, what do they want do? stay with the same old same old. This backwards and forwards with the same tired two parties is getting a bit of a joke. We know the libs dems are next to useless so they won't work. What would these detractors of the UKIP suggest we do? Stay on the same road that leads off the cliff. - eddie, usa, 1/10/2011 18:09..............................Your not getting it. Your views are irrelevant to these people, you have little power and what you have is being eroded daily. Just how much influence has the British people had over what goes on in the EU? How many of the six treaties did you stop being signed? What happened when Ireland had a referendum? Your not reading from the same book as these people, never mind the same page. Do a little research, for yourselves, they barely try to hide their intentions. You think your going to stop this? Best of luck.
Yes, Nigel Farage videos on You Tube, tremendous. A rare conviction politician who speaks from the heart and not his wallet. The EU are terrified of conviction politicians such as he, and EU sceptic Timo Soini of Finland who has had fantastic success in Finland, and is now the largest party after coming up from nowhere. UKIP can do the same here.
Better be careful or the EU will sue the UK & the other countries for bullying & violating it's "elf 'n' safety" rules.
1. A spokesman for the European Commission said the UK was being targeted first because complaints had been received about the rule here. 2. France, for example, will currently not pay out benefits unless migrants have worked in the country for at least four months. 1. The spokesman is waffling. I have no doubt that this was intended only for Britain. Now that other countries are contesting the diktat, she had to say that didn't she. 2. I would say the French are a tad stricter than us and yet are not being targeted [because they've had no complaints???] Hmmm. Kind of bears out my comment about the waffling.
Britain tried very hard to join the European Economic Community in 1963 and 1967 and was refused both times. Acceptance came in 1973 (change of leadership in the EEC). I remember being in London in 1973 and all the shouts of joy amongst my colleagues and friends - 'we are in Europe, we are in Europe' hooray, hooray. As an Australian I felt somewhat less elated - a great many of us had always felt a connection to 'the mother country'. From that time on, Britain never felt to me like our 'mother country' - Britain is a part of Europe however much you may now wish it otherwise.
Time to nuke Brussels!
We voted to join a European Trade area NOT to join a Federal State of Europe, We should refuse this dictat by unelected officers and if it comes to the line we should withdraw from the EU and go it alone they need us more than we need them! The EU does nothing constructive for us and always wants more money from us and more weird ideas are imposed on member states by these unelected officers.
Wheres a Guy Fawkes when you need him ?
What planet are these EU idiots on? If Poland pays out £110 a month and we pay out much more the flood of migrants seeking benefits could bring our country down. These hare-brained schemes will destabilise Europe.
What planet are these EU idiots on? If Poland pays out £110 a month and we pay out much more the flood of migrants seeking benefits could bring our country down. These hare-brained schemes will destabilise Europe.
I dont trust IDS or any politician. They have to be seen putting up a good fight . I'm inclined to believe this is a divide and conquer technique. Dont trust any of them.
Hasn't anyone noticed that all this comes right at the time when the PIGS are about to go bankrupt? With all the unemployment that will be caused by both the Austerity measures, and the resulting unemployment when the austerity measures fail? - Me, UKIP Voter, 1/10/2011 21:37 Ok but Poland is not a PIGS country, P= Portugal, Poland has a level of debt less than the UK. The next question is the attitude of UKIP to the Conservative austerity measures. As far as I can see the ffinancial markets believe that Cameron & Osbourne are serious about debt reduction and therefore the interest rate on UK debt is not much greater than Germany. If this was not the case the Uk would be "feeling the heat" like Italy and Greece. I do not think the markets would have the same view of UKIP
Just look at the palace of a building in Brussels - its pretty obvious so long they have big fat cat salaries and all the trimmings they don't care about Europe at all - just look at Ashton pretending to be Head of a diplomatic European Embassy - all she knows from the Labour Party is how to spend other people's money and thats all. Put your foot down now Ian Duncan before the UK and the other of the g-8 have no say in anything whatsoever. They're going too far and everything will break up. No tax payer or working man asked for this type of Europe and ruling power.
@ mary A General Strike is their biggest fear.. We need to take our Country and Freedoms back.
Well, if they try to go ahead with this one, the good news is, that the worm will finally, and most definitely, turn.
We already open enough, I've dealt with people from around the world who come here to give birth register the child then go home, people who have become diabetic and move here to get very expensive treatment every other day, people already come here cause we're an easy target and everythings FREE accept for those who actually pay for it. THIS COUNTRY IS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD, THE PLANETS DOORMAT AND CHARITY BOX!!!! - Mark, Brighton, 01/10/2011 20:45 Well said Mark. I know of someone from Canada whom fell and severely broke her leg in the UK. She had no insurance and ALL her Healthcare was free. Not to mention the woman on a cruise from Hong Kong who travels to the UK twice a year for free treatment. I lived in the uk until I was 42. Yet I never travel home without buying Insurance. I don't pay taxes there so why should I expect free treatment
I have been a member of UKIP now for nearly one year, and I can say with all honesty that they appear to be the last hope of this country. I don't know if any of you have seen Nigel Farage's videos, but it's like watching St. George poking the slimy EU lizard with his lance. Tremendous. Now if we could just get all the disaffected people to take courage in their hands and vote for UKIP at any/all elections we could actually get a new Government in, and one that has the interests of this country at heart. We all agree that we need to get out of EU and b****y quickly before we are dragged down the drain with the useless articles over the other side of the Channel. There must be other ways to indicate our anger in no uncertain terms, and I for one would be interested to hear any other ideas.
We need to get out of the EU and stop all this nonsense. End of. They are bleeding us dry. And we get nothing from them. We need a referendum too.
We already open enough, I've dealt with people from around the world who come here to give birth register the child then go home, people who have become diabetic and move here to get very expensive treatment every other day, people already come here cause we're an easy target and everythings FREE accept for those who actually pay for it. THIS COUNTRY IS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD, THE PLANETS DOORMAT AND CHARITY BOX!!!!
it is about time that our dithering government told the EU where to go, as farv away from us as possible. why should we fund all of the parasites who arrive illegally or otherwise in our country. it is time we had a cull.
We are the laughing siock of the world.Try claiming benefits in other EU countries as a Brit,like Spain.They will laugh their heads off,you have to be in gainfull employment for at least a tear,before you can claim a single euro.Want another laugh?On your way back through Heathrow immigration it says UK Borders-AH AH WHAT **8*ING BORDERS?
Hasn't anyone noticed that all this comes right at the time when the PIGS are about to go bankrupt? With all the unemployment that will be caused by both the Austerity measures, and the resulting unemployment when the austerity measures fail?
Just watching an rt.com report on Occupy Wall Street. You know we are going to win this, the Americans have at last woken up to New World Order (part of which is the EU). One of the Americans on the report said how it was less than 1% of the world population who have all the money, whilst they are keeping the rest of us poor. The ones making all the decisions must get used to the idea that the whole world now know who they are, millions of people knowing who to blame for bringing our economies down to breaking point, whilst using immigration, draconian laws and restrictions and fake global warming scams to control us all. Wall Street and the European banks, elitists, big corporation owners, all in a poisonous mesh of schemes to rule a world of cheap labour whilst they dominate everyone. I don't think the EU and all the other NWO people are ready for it all to explode, they gained power by people not realising, it will be interesting to see what happens.
David Cameron ?. Isn't he the Prime Minister ?
Petitions and Peaceful Protests dont work. What next ?
Welfare tourism would be halted if a law was passed that any EU citizen could only claim benefits at the same rate that they are payable in their own country. There are thousands of these benefits tourists working here whilst illegally claiming benefits at the same time. They live sometimes 6 to a room in a rented house paid for by the welfare state .Not paid once but paid to each person living there. The vast majority of this money is then sent back to the claimants home country to fund a lifestyle they could not possibly aspire to if they lived at home . I am sick and tired of hearing my friends complain that when they are made redundant after working and paying taxes for 30 years they cannot claim this, do not qualify for that .Yet the EU worker who has only been in the country 3 months seems to qualify for every handout in the book.These aren't rumours it happens every day. The British people are getting sick of it
you all have it wrong. yes we have to share a little and get rid of the bad apples . europe was suppose to take on board and impliment all the good points that do work . that way we should get rid of bad ones.unfortunatly europe and britain want to include every country and person that has not contributed anything into the system and just give too the wrong sponging sorts. we have to have a fair system that helps the ones that need help and will give back. not just take take take.ignorance can be holding the knowledge for invention .everyone should participate in one sort or another. the wold has to change and be a responsible world
So we are targeted first as complaints have been received ,HOW DARE these scroungers come to this country and demand we fund their life, HOW DARE our government not make some stand about the way anyone and everyone is allowed into the UK and those who offend against our laws need not fear being ejected from our shores, and HOW DARE we fail to continually harangue our MPs until someone listens and acts,
Sorry but we need to look after ourselves first, without any further drains on our country, everyone deserves a job and a quality of life. EU p*** off.
Britain is going down a very dangerous road allowing unelected bureaucrats to dictate against our interests. WE SHOULD GET OUT NOW....
How difficult is it to tell them to *%$£ off? The trouble is, it's gone on far too long, sponjers (deliberate sp.) think it's their God-given right to leech off us and our government is still blinkered as to what is going on and how strongly we resent nay despise the newcomers. Phew, long sentence, but anyone with half a brain knows what I'm saying. It'll be interesting to see how supportive our allies are. They're probably suffering from twitching bottom syndrome - worried sick that when this country finally sinks, they could have some unwanteds heading their way.
Get us out of europe. We only ever seem to give and never take. We are just a doormat for the dregs of Europe and the rest of the world to come and live on easy street
It's a waste of time appealing to David Cameron because he is not listening. Cameron is a EU enthusiast and he actually believes there should be further integration. He would argue that it is wrong to oppose the EU. The only EU sceptic party is UKIP, who now have my vote instead of the tories whom I used to vote for.
Government won't listen to us.....:(
My god let's get the main 3 parties out and get a different government in who actually care and have passion for England! Get out of Europe now!
DavidS, winchester: The government have already refused to recognise the 475,000 on 2 petitions already handed in to Downing Street this year sadly.
About time britain that pathetic former colonial nation got out of europe and stood up for itself, setting its own limits and standards.
do people think ukip will do anything? no. ukip is only interested in one thing. pete and his friends ha ha ha
For goodness sake, Dave, will you not listen to the voters of this country? Jeez, how long do we have to suffer from these incompetent EU beaurocrats. sitting in their palaces, dreaming up stuff to cripple Britain? I want you to stop spending my money and that of my fellow Britains, on the EU megalith.
This analogy sums up the Europe situation. We are like the villagers who live in the wilds, surrounded by a few voracious wolves (Europe). For years, we put out food for them, in the hope they wouldn´t raid our village and start eating us . But the wolves got greedy, and we just put more food out to keep them happy. Eventually, we were putting out soi much food for them, there wasn't enough left for US. And we became weaker, and sick, and unable to fight them off, or earn enough 'food' to feed them, AND us. And so they just invaded the village and ate us all up
Why do Britain not give the money to India, there are many poor and starving people in India who need help. the British are very selfish - Nitin, Mumbai, India, 01/10/2011 18:07 The UK is giving money to India but India is a nation happy to see others look after its own poor and starving despite its ever growing wealth. Shame on you not on us.
Cameron is the most spinless PM we have ever had I expect we will be ordered to pay more tax now because of this. We need UKIP in power to sort this country out.
Why do Britain not give the money to India, there are many poor and starving people in India who need help. the British are very selfish - Nitin, Mumbai, India, 01/10/2011 18:07============================== Just for the record, the UK has pledged £280 million per year to India until 2015. That's £1 billion, despite the fact that India spends £20 billion per year on defence. What about cutting your defence expenditure and giving some to your poor? But no, the British are seen as an easy cash cow. This is the EU's attitude as well, and the EU is costing each family in the UK £300 a year. Is that good value for money? Is it hell as like!
who was elected to run this country ?
to the point, Germany, 1/10/2011 17:56*****Think you might have a bit of sun stroke! Since May 2 the A8 countries, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia. Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are allowed to draw benefits on entry, according to EU legislation, before that they had to be in the UK at least 12 months. However, the UK still set a means test, a small piece of common sense in this mayhem, which the EU are taking the UK to court for. This is an example of diktats overruling the welfare of UK citizens. Your country, Germany, refused to open up the restrictions on A8 countries, so now you sit there smugly with your suntan and still dis us in the UK. However I don't think your people are happy with immigration either, or all the EU legislation thrown at them, not to mention supporting the P.I.G.S bailouts. I have yet to figure why you champion the EU, the destroyer of nations.
Why don't we all write directly to the EU individual responsible for this rubbish and "give voice" to our discontent? But to whom and to which address should we write? Come on Mail, give us a hand, get something going and at the very least give us a name and address, and let's bombard the person in question with hordes of mail - from the UK and all 12 of its allies.
Time to start a petition on the government website - then with over 100,000 people signing, the agenda has to be debated in the Houses of Parliament. - DJH, Bristol, UK, 1/10/2011 18:22 DJH, this has been started under the epetitiions on the UK Gov website - it has over 33 000 votes already - I hope all of the commentators here sign up.
Can't they sign up in their own country so we can send them money direct to save them the inconvenience of having to travel to the UK? This way they can keep their jobs where they are and get DOUBLE BUBBLE.
England, it is a spine less country, there is no leader, no courage, no money - Patricia, Carcasonne, France, 01/10/2011 18:09----------------------- But at least we don't keep surrendering and stink of garlic.
The Libbor/ Con Lib set up will not give a referndum because they have too much personal interest in the EU.
Nigel Farage on you tube, fantastic!!!
"UKIP have to fight with one hand tied behind their backs as the BBC and the other television companies will do everything to keep them off the air. There is no one more knowledgeable about the Euro than Nigel Farage who predicted on the day the Euro was launched the events that have now unfolded, yet the BBC will not let him within 5 miles of their cameras or interviewers - Freedom Fighter EUSSR/Todt, Cheltenham England, 01/10/2011 17:46" I have seen/heard him on Question Time/Any Questions. I don't buy this conspiracy theory
"99.9% will Come into the country work for 4 months and never work again! Then just live off the country! there is no work for existing citizens of the UK never mind other EU citizens who have no intention to work. - CJ, Cardiff, 1/10/2011 18:50" Not sure I understand - if there is no work for existing citizens where will they find work for 4 months
They're lieing to you yet again, there is no room for re-negotiation within the Lisbon treaty and well they know it. This is nothing more than delaying tactics to quell civil unrest and instil false hope while they rip us off once again to save their accursed currency. It also gives the illusion that they are listening when actually they couldn't care less. If they were serious then they'd declare Lisbon illegal and an act of treason, which it was. Then they'd revoke our 'membership' and see what the EU would be prepared to do to get us back, and then only after a referendum. You can fall for this claptrap nonsense if you wish but I can see it for what it is.
Time to start a petition on the government website - then with over 100,000 people signing, the agenda has to be debated in the Houses of Parliament. 'Could the 12 billion pounds that we currently donate to our European commitment be better spent in the UK?' Then see how our 'democratically elected' representatives in Parliament decide what 12 billion pounds would do to our economy - thank goodness we're not in the euro!
To all those who pour scorn on UKIP's prospects to lead the move to extract Britain from this EU quagmire, when all the party's currently in-power refuse to address the issue - hiding their collective heads in a bucket of EU sand - just how would you propose we get out of the EU's demonic embrace, without UKIP's help?...... The one thing we can guarantee is that neither of the LibLabCon trio will stand up for Britain's interests, yet UKIP have publicly stated that they will do just that - their policies reinforce that fact, google them and see for yourself. - Pops, Northumberland, England, 1/10/2011 <<<<<<<<<<
Vote Conservative and be denied a referendum. Vote UKIP to take back control of our country!!!
You cannot take anything from us because you are an illegal organisation, now go away you bunch of unelected thieves. Practically whe whole of the country is demanding we pull out of this unelected/illegal nightmare known as the EU, so why isn't Cameron listening...is he happy to commit treason on the people of this country like all the others? We want out NOW Cameron - what part don't you understand, because you have to obey the will of the people or have you forgotten you work for us?
Those people knocking the UKIP, what do they want do? stay with the same old same old. This backwards and forwards with the same tired two parties is getting a bit of a joke. We know the libs dems are next to useless so they won't work. What would these detractors of the UKIP suggest we do? Stay on the same road that leads off the cliff.
England, it is a spine less country, there is no leader, no courage, no money
Why do Britain not give the money to India, there are many poor and starving people in India who need help. the British are very selfish
To all those who pour scorn on UKIP's prospects to lead the move to extract Britain from this EU quagmire, when all the party's currently in-power refuse to address the issue - hiding their collective heads in a bucket of EU sand - just how would you propose we get out of the EU's demonic embrace, without UKIP's help?...... The one thing we can guarantee is that neither of the LibLabCon trio will stand up for Britain's interests, yet UKIP have publicly stated that they will do just that - their policies reinforce that fact, google them and see for yourself.
I love your country....I'd like to see the spineless government there hold a referendum on whether or not you want your country to surrender your sovereignty to the EU. It seems like the only benefactors are the big bankers and super rich. The EU is already proving to be a costly venture. Do you really want to be ruled by unelected officials in Brussels? Your system is far too generous to so many people...it's unsustainable. Take care of yourselves first. God Bless the U.K.
I am surprised that no-one has yet complained about the two tier bus fair system being operated in Malta. The locals pay one price ( cheap), tourists, including EU persons, pay another (more expensive). Discrimination surely?
Dont discuss, just say NO
why is Britain so selfish?????? - Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 15:17 ================================================================ Why do you stay there, is it because of all the generous benefits handed out to scroungers???? thanks to the tax paying public.
@ JanetC, England, 1/10/2011 17:31 , Janet , I know that its sunny over there in the UK, but have you been out in the direct sun without a nice big floppy hat ? ..anyway interesting is that until now, it was always that the east Europeans were coming over
Never mind all this stuff about UKIP, why can't our government just say that anyone who comes here must work and pay in for at least TWO YEARS before being entitled to any benefits.? Surely our government should be making the rules, not the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels. I think we should just defy them and do our own thing, after all, what would they do if we refused benefits to the incoming multitudes? At least it would stop the influx, and save us a fortune in the bargain.
"If Eastern Europeans are deterred from coming here, why is our country full of them? - SUSIJEN, North West England, 1/10/2011 13:38" Maybe you should ask the people who employ them - if you are going to say they are all unemloyed please give me the source of your information
If people want UKIP to represent their views on the EU, then the people have to vote them in! Whilst we do not have an upcoming election, the best thing we can do is get behind the Party, joining online is quick and simple, (£20 a year) and will help support them financially so they can field more candidates at the next election.Actions not just words are needed right now.
99.9% will Come into the country work for 4 months and never work again! Then just live off the country! there is no work for existing citizens of the UK never mind other EU citizens who have no intention to work.
Its time we were listened to in this country, before we really get angry. This beats the lot. I just hope Cameron this week spells it out for the EU and says loud and clear NO. Fines, NO to those as well. They say they are well prepared for fines to be issued over this, well let them issue them and then tell them to get stuffed. I'm sure we're not afraid. I'm sure they will tremble if we tell them we're withdrawing our 12billion per year, and cancel the IMF contract as unaffordable, which it is, thanks to Labour. It appears Mr Farage as been proved right at last, and he's explained several times over the years, they want total control. Its now time WE the people have our say, and no democratic government can keep denying an electorate that. Its gone on long enough. Time to say 'get stuffed' and break away once and for all.
Referenda can only be organised by the incumbent government. Given that Cameron's Tories and the Clegg's Undemocrats are rabidly EUrophile, we won't be getting one any time soon. If you want out, as I do, then you MUST VOTE UKIP!
Dont bank to much on UKIP they are also getting a huge pension from the EU paymasters I hope iam wrong and they are not like our two faced politicians pretending to change their views to keep in with the common people They know their own efforts will be half hearted going against the E U but they must keep up appearances to keep their power over the British public public
UKIP have to fight with one hand tied behind their backs as the BBC and the other television companies will do everything to keep them off the air. There is no one more knowledgeable about the Euro than Nigel Farage who predicted on the day the Euro was launched the events that have now unfolded, yet the BBC will not let him within 5 miles of their cameras or interviewers
So you think UKIP will get elected? and in time to make a difference? and with enough power ito make a difference?s What are you people smoking? can i have some? Ever heard of miss direction?
MAKE A STAND FOR BRITAIN AND SHOW THEM WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING ALL THESE EU DIRECTIVES THAT ARE CRIPPLING OUR LITTLE ISLAND. IM TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER THE WORLD WARS BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OUR FORCES SACRIFICED THEIR LIFES TO KEEP A DICTATOR OUT AND NOW MOST OF OUR POLITICIANS ARE LETTING ANOTHER DICTATOR RUIN OUR COUNTRY!!!!!
We need to get out now. We are able to rule ourselves without any interference from the megalomaniacs in Brussels.
Young men are dieing on foriegn soil defending 'democracy' perhaps we need to make those sacrifices nearer to home..............who are these tinpot, un elected, unaccountable dictators?????????????? - Plod, Orpington, 1/10/2011 10:25. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They're not defending democracy-a subliminal euphony-we are not at war,they're misleadingly laying down their lives for the greed of the NWO.
To say that France & Germany are 'Supporting' the UK is a bit ingenuous. In fact they can see that, if the Uk loses on this one, they will also end up having to pay scroungers.
It should be a decision of whether the country wants to allow them in ! Not a decision of approx 50 people in Govenrment!
Pops, Northumberland, England So what your saying is that UKIP WILL NOT OFFER A REFERENDUM OF ANY KIND!! I think we now know who to vote for! - Bill B, Exmouth, England, 1/10/2011 17:17 ______________________________________________________________ That is not what I said Bill - anything that UKIP do, when out of power, will simply be ignored by the coalition and the EU............ Better to wait until UKIP is in a position to enact its policies, as a majority party..... to sit on the fence, when the very future of Britain is at stake, is to court disaster............. Give UKIP a chance, they can't be any worse than what we've got, and who knows they may just be the savior we're all hoping for - nothing ventured nothing gained.
And what EU countries actually have any money and aren't having to be propped up by other countries and even then still defaulting on there loans! Say No and stay away from the EU - Helen, New York USA, 1/10/2011 16:34 From what I read the US budget deficit is financed by the Chinese
Why don't we just get out are we run in this country by idiots silly question realy we all know the answer
While we, the stupid British, do no more than blow the froth of our beer and write "outraged from Bournemouth" style letters to the press, we deserve no more that we get. Get out there and make your politicians work for the very comfortable living that you all afford them. Make your dissent clearly, uncompromisingly and unremittingly known to them. If you don't "you ain't seen nothing yet! And it will be as much your fault as theirs.
Bob Warsaw - Gladly - dole, housing benefit, NHS, free education, family allowance, free dentists because of the benefits etc. etc. Been putting up with these types for well over 2 yrs, more keep coming, at home all day, drink like fish, smoke and wish I could afford the cars they drive, out of my reach I'm afraid, I'm an English working national! - Evax, North West, 1/10/2011 15:07 But if you read the article it states that they have not been able to get off the bus and get dole immediately - otherwide there would not be an issue with the EU. That is also why if you go to see a consultant in most hospitals they ask tyou how long you have lived in the UK from my observation
If you want to see how hard NIGEL FARAGE has been working to defend British rights, then just google him on you tube. Unfortunately until more people vote for UKIP candidates, they will not be given a voice in UK politics, and can hardly organise a legally binding referendum. Its up to everyone who wants us out of the EU TO VOTE FOR UKIP at the ballot box. IT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
We cut the benefits of our armed forces who have been hurt in keeping this country safe, then some unelected wanabe tells us to pay for freeloaders to come to Britain they can shove there head where the monkey shoved it's nuts. OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Good points on UKIP offering a paid for referendum on the EU its what we all want if it has a high enough percentage vote the Government cannot ignore it, why petition just vote ina commissioned referendum. They would actually get the money from the EU and it would not be hard to run. If they are not men of straw I do think this would be the right thing to do. Cannot understand the red arrows on people that have posted this idea on here - Philip K, St Albans UK but fed up., 1/10/2011 16:54....Philip......Can you tell me where you have read that UKIP is offering a paid for referendum on EU? - TJ, Bristol, 1/10/2011 17:07************They can't tell you TJ, as it's the latest little Europhile joke on here, they are quite funny and do try to be imaginative. UKIP have got them so worried they have to try something, poor desperate EU supporters (though there can't be many supporters left, most people in EU countries are now anti-EU).
Pops, Northumberland, England So what your saying is that UKIP WILL NOT OFFER A REFERENDUM OF ANY KIND!! I think we now know who to vote for!
What is most disturbing is why the British just stand by like wimps and allow this to happen. No one to blame but yourselves.
The EU is going to 'implode' soon and end, and not before time. We Brit's have a ring-side seat when the fireworks go off, and a lot of water between us and the inferno!
Got to agree a petition gets ignored a referendum cannot be ignored. UKIP pay for a commissioned referendum then we all get a vote and not loaded so Farage can stand up in Brussels and truly say I speak for X millions of UK citizens. What great power and Cameron could NO ignore this.
why is Britain so selfish?????? - Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 22:17 A comedian! Just like the EU is a sick joke!
Any idea of UKIP having a referendum is naive in the extreme. Only a fool would be unable to see that any result is non binding and would be ignored by the same party that is currently ignoring public opinion. The only way is to put UKIP in a position of real POWER to act. That can only be achieved by casting your vote for them in any elections.
All this talk of a referendum is a distraction. UKIP would be ill advised to contemplate organising an 'unofficial' referendum for two very good reasons: (1) It would eat up scarce UKIP financial resources that would be better employed in publicising UKIP itself as a viable alternative to the other Europhile parties........(2) The results of any such 'unofficial' referendum would be instantly discounted and ignored by the coalition, simply because it was unofficial - therefore all UKIP monies spent on it would be wasted........ We're not playing by the Queensbury rules here, the EU machine would ensure that any such unofficial move was quickly discredited............... Better to get UKIP in as the majority party, then the 1972 Act and officially withdraw from the EU........ Don't waste our meager resources on an unattainable cause.
Good points on UKIP offering a paid for referendum on the EU its what we all want if it has a high enough percentage vote the Government cannot ignore it, why petition just vote ina commissioned referendum. They would actually get the money from the EU and it would not be hard to run. If they are not men of straw I do think this would be the right thing to do. Cannot understand the red arrows on people that have posted this idea on here - Philip K, St Albans UK but fed up., 1/10/2011 16:54....Philip......Can you tell me where you have read that UKIP is offering a paid for referendum on EU?
This just shows how gutless and cowardly Cameron is!!!!
"HURRAY"!. Hang on a minute it's not april the 1st is it.
UKIP., prove it, organise a private referendum not a petition (who cares!) GET ON WITH IT
At last here is a chance to stand up to this EU commission threats. Its time that that lot got off the so called human rights band wagon and arrived like the vast majority of people in the real world. No way can this latest threat be ignored, if we do it will like every thing els this commisson seems to do just turn into a raft of new regs. So what should we do. Support the Goverment to resist. Email our MPs and leave it clear that we support there clash with the commission. Email direct to the Commission. Stating that you dont agree with there directive and do not approve of there threats. ( Please dont use rude or bad remarks concerning your support to MPS over this particular matter as it just weakens the impact that the support can have)
TJ, Bristol, 01/10/2011 16:25 What a cop out get UKIP to pay for an independent REFERENDUM NOW!!!!! Labour just commissioned a Police study so UKIP can do NOTHING??????? So what is their point of existance??? UKIP GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDES AND PAY FOR A REFERENDUM!!! Simple! - John, Harpenden, 1/10/2011 16:41..........John, what is an independent referendum?....as UKIP aren't in government they cannot hold a referendum......UKIP have organised a petition to lobby the government into holding a referendum, as have the Daily Express and The Peoples Pledge, and the governement itself is running a petition.....all of which have been ignored by the governement.........UKIP need to get some seats in parliament in order to bring any pressure to bear on the government to hold a referndum...so only thing to do is vote UKIP.
Good points on UKIP offering a paid for referendum on the EU its what we all want if it has a high enough percentage vote the Government cannot ignore it, why petition just vote ina commissioned referendum. They would actually get the money from the EU and it would not be hard to run. If they are not men of straw I do think this would be the right thing to do. Cannot understand the red arrows on people that have posted this idea on here
So many people on here crying out now for UKIP to organise a referendum........mostly people who have never voted for UKIP in their lives......what a pity you didn't all wake up a lot sooner and give them your vote when you had the chance.......but no...just sheepies voting LIB/LAB/CON as per usual.....so what's happening is down to YOU!
jon harpenden...how about you get off your backside and help them arrange a referendum. I'm sure they would welcome your input.
John, Harpenden, 1/10/2011 8:06 Totally agree NIGEL FARGE use your EU money and give us a UKIP referendum!! Put up or get out! - Waiting on the side!!, ripped off UK, 1/10/2011 16:21*************Please explain, how can a political party, not presently in office, can legislate the outcome of a referendum set up by them? If you have some magic bullet maybe you can share it, so we can all set up a referendum. Put up or shut up.
Mr and Mrs Cetara claiming benefits - invalidity - so bonus payments. Mr Ciro Cetara living in Naples for years but wife kindly put in his account. He had throat cancer, operated and cured on our NHS system and promptly returned to his brothers in Naples Italy. She had cancer, operated and cured, more than once, then obesity, also operated under NHS, also broken toes as so large and banging them, also operated under NHS. She claims invalidity and mobility despite now cured so she can park anywhere in Europe on disabled, be provided a brand new car for next to nothing every three years, serviced, never pay congestion charge etc etc. She is the CEO of thriving charity, funded by guess who, the European Commission, and she and her two colleagues started it up in her kitchen and now own properties in chelsea etc and enjoy an extremely luxurious lifestyle, she still claims the benefits.#
- TJ, Bristol, 01/10/2011 16:25 What a cop out get UKIP to pay for an independent REFERENDUM NOW!!!!! Labour just commissioned a Police study so UKIP can do NOTHING??????? So what is their point of existance??? UKIP GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDES AND PAY FOR A RE
THE ANSWER IS SO SIMPLE PULL OUT OF THE EU NOW
I'v said it before, and I'll say it again, we must get out of this dictatorial EU, that is the only way that Britain will survive, so vote for UKIP, they will get us out quicker than quick!
Come on UKIP pay for an referendum! I think they wont though Nigel makes too much all these parties are making money! - Waiting on the side!!, ripped off UK.........What a ridiculous comment....and I bet you have never ever voted UKIP have you....but now you see how bad things are getting you expect them to step in to save the day like some kind of superman.......only way is to vote UKIP at the next election but I bet you won't.
this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. How is it human rights to move to an country and take money off the government without ever paying taxes.who do the european commission think they are. They do not have the same problems as the UK and the ruling will only increase the deficit and the government will be, made to make more cuts making more people unemployed. If people want to move to the UK they should have a job lined up and have some self respect instead of taking money off people who have worked all there lives.
Looks as if the message is getting through at last, people are beginning to look to UKIP to save the country from EU clutches. Don't sit back whining, do something, become UKIP activists and help them arrange a referendum.
Come on UKIP pay for an referendum! I think they wont though Nigel makes too much all these parties are making money! - Waiting on the side!!, ripped off UK,---- I thought UKIP was going to give us a referendum? Thats what I have seen here that Farage is going to give the UK a referendum paid by UKIP. Come on UKIP DO IT! I think they won't though as they get loads from the EU same liars! - John, Harpenden,******************************************************************************************Nice to see wonderful Nigel Farage and UKIP have got this lot rattled!! They can no longer ignore them, Catch the videos on UKIP website, see how Nigel and the others destroy the diktats with their speeches. LibLabCon and EU be afraid, be very afraid!!!!
I have seen posts about UKIP giving a referendum. I think its a great idea so why don't they do it? I think if they don't they are the same as the rest I am so fed up with promises PLEASE UKIP prove you are on our side. By the way why has UKIP been so silent on this news issue! UKIP please pay for a referendum, PLEASE!
it is an utterly ridiculous rule. How is it human rights to move to an country and take benefits from the government without ever even paying taxes. It is utterly atrocious and i dont know who the european commission think they are. They do not have the problems the UK has with over population and with the huge deficit. If they enforce this rule there will have to be more government cuts with move people losing there jobs and there will be higher crime rate and even more deficit! I f you want to come and live in the UK then come over here will a job lined up and have some self respect instead of taking of the people who have worked all there lives.
Not only would leaving the EU return democracy to Britain, but it would allow MP's to devote more time doing the things that they were voted into parliament to do instead of having to debate the diktats imposed upon us by unelected people in Brussels.
I thought UKIP was going to give us a referendum? Thats what I have seen here that Farage is going to give the UK a referendum paid by UKIP. Come on UKIP DO IT! I think they won't though as they get loads from the EU same liars! - John, Harpenden, 1/10/2011 16:06.............John...........At present UKIP are not in governmentt so cannot give us a referendum.......they have run a petition, as did the Express and The peoples Pledge and more recently the Gov website e.petitions........all of which the governement has ignored......UKIP need more people to vote for them so they can get some seats in parliament and then use their influence from within to force the governement of the day (whoever that may be then) to have a referendum.....Answer then....you have to vote UKIP
"a person who has been unemployed for more than three months in Poland gets a dole of just £110 a month."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simple - just give them £110 a month if they come here.
John, Harpenden, 1/10/2011 8:06 Totally agree NIGEL FARGE use your EU money and give us a UKIP referendum!! Put up or get out!
Is this some attempt to force us to join the euro by showing what they can do if we're naughty children who won't do as we're told? Get away from their control now. Let the europrats sink or swim.
If only Rob. The Sheeple will still vote Lib/Lab/Con. They always do. They spend 5 years complaining about the EU, demanding a vote, demanding we leave, then vote the same way they did last time round. - Me, Here,-----------------------Couldn't have put it better. You often hear people saying would turkeys vote for christmas if they had a choice, of course they wouldn't, well turkeys must be turkey laughing at the voters of this country, they have a choice, but still vote for their own demise. The majority are tribal voters, have to vote for lib/lab/con because the parents did, for them to go against who their parents voted for or the red flag, blue/green tree or the yellows is tantamount to treason. It never ceases to amaze me, as you say, they complain fo years yet come the time to vote it's like they've had a lobatomy and vote for those they know are going to make their lives a misery. Collective madness.
No British Government, has ever been given Consent to join the EU, ANY CONNECTION WITH IT, IS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.
Come on UKIP pay for an referendum! I think they wont though Nigel makes too much all these parties are making money!
David Cameron and the Coalition WILL NOTstand up for Britain against the diktats of the EU, we might as well 'as rolled over' in 1940, because the same end result is coming. David Cameron is a threat against this country's future well being, he has already reduced our Armed Forces. It is ludicrous to give £M Aid to countries like India when it is so desperately needed here. Come the time when Cameron and his ilk need support for their existence in Parliament, it will have disappeared along time ago, when he caved in to EU DEMANDS. We need a Referendum NOW as he promised one, the Country won't be so forgiving if he doesn't. Britain needs a new leader one that will stand up for this Country, and needs one fast.
I thought UKIP was going to give us a referendum? Thats what I have seen here that Farage is going to give the UK a referendum paid by UKIP. Come on UKIP DO IT! I think they won't though as they get loads from the EU same liars!
If an elevator was full you would shut the doors. We are only an island too, its not rascist to say we are full, NO MORE!
I swear when I get my degree I'm moving as far away from the UK as possible it's gone completely downhill in the last few years. - Alice, Wonderland, 30/9/2011 22:39 ------------------------------Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world. - JOHN, POMPEY, 30/9/2011 22:43 ________ That's right, John! What we need more of are unemployable, underachieving, uneducated illiterates that can drain the country further. Why are those who are educated without understanding of the real world or is that a chip on your shoulder?
You noticed as well, happens quite often, thought it was just me.
The solution is so simple, forget the LibLabCon trio and vote for UKIP at the next general election and our EU problem will be quickly resolved - we'll be out of the EU quicker than you can say 'David Cameron', only out of the EU can we survive and recover from the damage that has been done to our beloved country by this hateful dictatorial organisation.......
Time to leave the EU we just HAVE to get out of that club before it destroys a once proud nation.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. . .as an outsider, I'm seeing the U.K. going down the toilet because of the EU. Isn't there some way to get out of it? Please don't bash me - I have a lot of friends in the U.K. and I see how they struggle. - Jo, USA, 30/9/2011 15:10 Jo you are correct. That's why after 42 years we were soooooo pleased to get out. The Labour government should never be allowed to govern again. It will take years to fix and a strong leader.
all of they EU stand together on this one and tell these evil so and so's where to go! If our government does not make a stand it's goodbye to freedom, dignity and the right to govern this country as it has always been for generations!
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I retired to France. Because I have never worked here I cannot get any benefits. I only get my English pension and health benefits as they are paid for by Britain. This business of scrounging EU is yet another British invention, or stupidity at reading the laws. Here you only get benefits if you are willing to work for them.
These members squealing in indignation will capitulate and brag about getting us a "good" deal by only giving 30 billion of our pensions away to the EU black hole.Most MP,s have a vested interest so the more we pay,the more they gain.
A lot of the EU countries who've done well from the begging bowl ignore the rules anyway - left right and centre. Slovenia for example, that's had hundreds of millions from the EU doesn't reciprocate when it comes to equality: after 3 years a Slovene can sell their house tax free. The rest of us living there? 8 years!!!! Funny but I don't see the Commission reprimanding them over this blatant discrimination.
"Once we've all voted UKIP at the next election we won't need to worry about these daft EU rules. - Rob , Leeds

If only Rob. The Sheeple will still vote Lib/Lab/Con. They always do. They spend 5 years complaining about the EU, demanding a vote, demanding we leave, then vote the same way they did last time round."
The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK, can you imagine some stupid idiot like Nigel Farage in charge? If you believe what he says you must be as stupid as him! - Stacey, Dagenham, Essex, 1/10/2011 15:41........Stacey...methinks you see Nigel Farage as a threat to whatever party you support........and with good reason....you know he's got more balls than all three main parties put together.
I will never vote again for ANY of the 3 main parties. They have destroyed any faith I had to start with. Time to stop betraying your own people and have a referendum. Get us out of Europe now.
We pay >Euro 6,500,000,000 to the EU every year. Note as the £ falls this goes UP. What do we get in return - NOTHING. Do a Norway/Switzerland and get out, but keep the free trade area.
Dear EU, as an English person living in England, I've paid my NI contributions and taxes since i started work at 16. My human rights are threatened due to the international financial fiasco created by bankers, primarily in the USA. As a result of the bankers actions my pension, which i've contributed to for the past 35yrs (public service employee) is under threat to 'reduce the deficit'. The deficit could be reduced by our benefit system NOT having to support economic refugees. I'm all for the free movement of people and their transferable skills, just not at the expense of my or anyone elses future. There should be an international standard, that individuals have to prove they have employment or the means to support themselves before being granted leave to enter another country. The USA, Australia and NZ already do this so no claims "infringement of human rights" please.
Britain will weather the debt crisis far better if we know we are paying for our own. Scrimping on luxuries like heating and food etc will always be less attractive while we are keenly aware that we have to make this kind of sacrifice in order to pay to support, educate and give free health care, housing, and benefits to EU migrants. The EU is laughing all the way to the bank. EU Migrants to Britain who don't want to work to build their own countries are laughing too.
It has become quite clear over the last decade that Brussels hatred of the UK is only increasing and if this was a marriage, all the UK's mates would be screaming at it to cut it's losses and get a divorce pronto! Sadly, it is only the UK voters who are screaming this message and as we have all come to realise, as voters, taxpayers, the people, whatever you want to call us, we don't count as far as big business, wheeler dealer successive governments and international negotiators are concerned, UKiP has an EMP, I'd like to hear how loudly their voice is in Brussels - let's see how far they are prepared to push to defend our rights as a British nation. REFERENDUM NOW. - The UK giveth and the EU taketh away, Wales, 01/10/2011 15:08........Watch Nigel Farage's videos of his speeches in Brussels.... on UKIP website or You tube.....You'll see just how he is fighting our corner in EU.
My American daughter met , fell in love, and married a Brit. They both work hard in London at decent jobs, about 10+ hours a day. The day she received her British citizenship was one of the happiest days of her life. However, this honest, hard-working young couple struggle to keep afloat because of the high tax rate they pay which goes to a government, which to their credit, appears to finally be realizing that one small island cannot keep handing out benefits and rights to anyone who manages to float onto their shores. It is not logical and is not sustainable. People reproduce. The numbers of need go up. This isn't about politics, humanitarian philosophy, or racism. Did not one of your own politicians, Enoch Powell, back in the 1960's try to warn the government that the U.K. should never join the EU because they would lose control of their own ability to make decisions about their own country? A concerned Mum.
The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK, can you imagine some stupid idiot like Nigel Farage in charge? If you believe what he says you must be as stupid as him!
All mainstream (that's lib/lab/con) politicians are corrupt to some degree. They want their moment of 'power' and the guarantee of a post in the EU later, and THAT'S the real reason they want to stay in. It's only because of greedy politicians (in whichever country) that the EU has any influence at all. If politicians refused to implement anything, the unelected idiots in Brussels could do nothing!
We all have MP's, its time a let them know what we think and what we EXPECT of them. It isn't enough to voice opinions on the Daily Mail website. Make some time, visit, write to, email, lobby your MP. Tell them what you EXPECT of them. tell them you have had enough and they as your representative need to weigh up public (British public) opionion and act in their interests to stop this madness.
Kilnpit-Anchor, Consett, 1/10/2011 14:16 British people who claim benefits are in their OWN country. They have history here and probably family who paid in or fought for this country in the past. If they are scroungers and wasters then it is a homegrown problem for us to address. Foreign incomers have no claim on our system. So the comparisom is invalid. They have not paid in and they are not born here. Over generations we have paid dearly in blood and industry to create a future and security for OUR people. We would not get the same deal from their countries. Why should we have to support them? They are not our responsibilty. As for "we can go there". Why should we? We built this! More to the point why should we be expected to support the rest of world.? If they cannot make their own countries desirable is it fair that they come here and take ours. No one in their right mind imports other countries problems except us and we pay for the privilege.
Just type NIGEL FARAGE into You Tube, and see UKIP in action at the EU parliament. Watch Nigel Farage tell them what the score is!!!
And what EU countries actually have any money and aren't having to be propped up by other countries and even then still defaulting on there loans! Say No and stay away from the EU
And what EU countries actually have any money and aren't having to be propped up by other countries and even then still defaulting on there loans! Say No and stay away from the EU
Just blood suckers like the ILLEGAL EUSSR. Never paid a penny so send the packing in to the cess pool called the EUSSR.
Alan, Weybridge, You are correct! The three main parties all sing from the same hymn sheet.. Westminster is rife with Europhiles hoping to join the EU gravy train once out of office. You only have to goole 'EU Commissioners salary' to know about the large scale abuse of tax payers money. The unelected, unheard of Baroness Ashton(,the EU foreign minister) pays a minimal level of tax-thanks to a loophole-on her £230.000 pa, plus many perks. She is just one of many. UKIP is the only party that will take on the EU, and all the crooks that infest it! I will not fall for the three party lie again!
I'm FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this doesn't add up, quote 'must have a decent chance of getting a job, before they can claim benefits. If they have had a job they wouldn't need benefits, NO MORE, WE CAN"T SUPPORT THEM
Let us have a "REFERENDUM ON GETTING OUT OF THIS KGB EUROPE"
Can we please find out just how many U.K. citizens want to stay in the E.U.? - Mick, Stoke-on-Trent, 1/10/2011 15:14=====Yes, Mick. It's called a referendum and, no, the government won't even contemplate letting us have one; they might not (in fact, definitely won't) like the result.
Can we please find out just how many U.K. citizens want to stay in the E.U.?
Whenever this kind of issue comes up we always have the same comments about 'idle Brits'. Frankly, if I was a young person now, I'd feel so utterly let down by the fact that the country of my forefathers has been given away to foreigners and all our sovereignty lost that there feels nothing to endeavour for. Where is the incentive to do well when you know full well that many companies would rather employ foreigners for lower rates? National pride goes hand in hand with the pride of the individual and we have all been sold down the EU river. So let the foreigners come here and take our money and jobs........that seems to have been the plan from day one. God alone knows why.
So long as you continue to cast your vote lib/lab/con things will never change, because the leadership of all three is pro EU. They have been ignoring EU public outrage for the past thirty years and will continue to do so. UKIP is our only EU sceptic party, lead by Nigel Farage.
"What "court" might that be, then..............? Are they inviting us to play tennis......?" - (Old) Robert, Worcester UK, 1/10/2011 14:29 =========the word kangaroo springs to mind Robert.
A sovereign Government can close its own Borders. So WHY don't you? We are paying our taxes so that our elected Government can govern our own Country according to its long standing Common law Constitution- can it do that? Why are you putting through the EU's Localism Bill that divides forever the Country of ENGLAND into EU Regions? Why are you destroying our Country? Understand that the people of this Country cannot possibly pay taxes that contribute in any way to allow a foreign organisation to govern us, for it is absolutely contrary to our Constitution. Finally, WHY do you think the people in those new REGIONS will contribute to any EU fines when ALL ARE INNOCENT IN THIS COUNTRY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Take a care for these proposals are waking up the Great Magna Carta, and remember what happened the last time it was used in earnest. The Crown lost its power. So will Parliament be the next or has it already given it away to the EU?
It has become quite clear over the last decade that Brussels hatred of the UK is only increasing and if this was a marriage, all the UK's mates would be screaming at it to cut it's losses and get a divorce pronto! Sadly, it is only the UK voters who are screaming this message and as we have all come to realise, as voters, taxpayers, the people, whatever you want to call us, we don't count as far as big business, wheeler dealer successive governments and international negotiators are concerned, UKiP has an EMP, I'd like to hear how loudly their voice is in Brussels - let's see how far they are prepared to push to defend our rights as a British nation. REFERENDUM NOW.
GOVERNMENT,if you dont start taking every power back apart from agreements on the exchange of imports/ exports (even look at that )you will soon not be required and the Public will not bother to vote if you are going to make no difference being in power.Of course they in the E.U would love that but there wont be room for you all in the EU -OOPS SILLY ME THEY HAVE WAYS AND MEANS OF SCREWING UP EVERYTHING/COOKING THE BOOKS AND WE WONT BE IN THE DRIVING SEAT ..THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE THE AGREEMENTS THAT SUIT THE nation you were elected to serve (whoever the government)
why is Britain so selfish?????? - Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 23:13 Britain is selfish?? i wouldn't say selfish but stupid for given away so much money for people from other countries some which are not even EU, i've worked in GB for 3 years and never needed any benefits, and I paid all my taxes during that time so why cant '' fit to work'' people do the same?!!
Did you notice that Milibland and co didn't mention immigration during their conference last week which means they are happy for the open door policy they adopted when they were in power to continue or will Milibland make a surprise statement during the Tory Conference performing yet another U-Turn because the opinion polls or focus groups tell him he's got it wrong.
Regardless of what the EU says, w should close the doors of Britain until all illegals have been removed. Either we rule Britain, or Westminster might as well be closed up for good.
it's time to pull out of europe and tell those unelected scroungers who make the laws what to do with them, i am sick to death of these people telling britain how to run our country and please don't blame the coalition, it was labour who allowed europe to run wild to the point that 85% of our lawshave been forced on us while brown and blair did nothing.
there's too many on this thread who won't accept that there's a far,far greater problem with dole scroungers already here from these shores, Kilnpit-Anchor, Consett, 1/10/2011 10:16 I don't refute your claim at all, but it just underlines the need to shore up one's own people before inviting the problems of other countries in to add to the collective weight already on the citizens' shoulders.
DEMOCRACY IN ACTION Mr Cameron. The British people demand a referendum on the membership of the EU.NOW. Democracy in action. What did you say Mr Cameron, No? Well I'll try later.
GET OUT OF THE EU ..... THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WAS OUT .... TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY NOW ..... COME ON 'CALL ME DAVE' BE LIKE MAGGIE AND GET SOME BALLS
Who the hell do these unelected dictators think they are? Britain voted for free trade within the EEC in1973 and NOT to become a superstate. Cameron better sort this or we will know for sure where the real power is held and who let it happen!
Why should we import more scroungers we already have more than enough.EU f*** you.
When is all this going to end ,WHEN BRITAIN IS BUST get us out now ,no more EU.
Why negotiate? Just say NO and for good measure STOP paying out to those that are here. Time get real nasty. Human Rights? Hogwash.
i use sub4sub
This is plain insanity. "Move over here, all you EU layabouts and we mugs of UK taxpayers will pay you a good living for doing NOTHING" ! If that isn't fiscal suicide for any country, I don't know what is. For God's sake get us OUT of the money-grubbing machine that is the federal EU that we NEVER agreed to join.
- William, Ferndown, Dorset, UK Forget it ! he has NO balls at all! never going to happen he's pro EU and bankruptcy
I bet the EU would soon agree with restricting welfare tourism if all benefits in the EU were made harmonious. ie. If someone from England goes to Poland/Spain etc they should receive the same in benefits as they would here. This way we do not get an influx of benefit tourists or ex-pats who cannot afford to live abroad anymore, as they would get the same level of state cash in the country they already live in. In fact think about it, the trend might reverse and all our long term unemployed will go over and live in sunnier countries and burden their tax payers. How long would that last if the boot was on the other foot?
Saw this
And they will all roll over and accept it. Weak so and So's
@Kilnpit Anchor 14;16 You are incorrect to assume that Poles in Britain have a higher percentage of workers than British people.It is a fact that they have a higher rate of joblesness.You need to stop being brainwashed by people with globalistagendas,they
A sovereign Government can close its own Borders. So WHY don't you? We are paying our taxes so that our elected Government can govern our own Country according to its long standing Common law Constitution- can it do that? Why are you putting through the EU's Localism Bill that divides forever the Country of ENGLAND into EU Regions? Why are you destroying our Country? Understand that the people of this Country cannot possibly pay taxes that contribute in any way to allow a foreign organisation to govern us, for it is absolutely contrary to our Constitution. Finally, WHY do you think the people in those new REGIONS will contribute to any EU fines when ALL ARE INNOCENT IN THIS COUNTRY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Take a care for these proposals are waking up the Great Magna Carta, and remember what happened the last time it was used in earnest. The Crown lost its power. So will Parliament be the next or has it already given it away to the EU?
What "court" might that be, then..............? Are they inviting us to play tennis......?
The country the immigrants came from,as part of the E.U should pay the benefits to their own,wherever they settle, then ex pat English can start collecting from what they paid in for, in taxes, VAT, stamp duty etc, many less ex pats than immigrants coming in..it would save the taxpayer a fortune.Let each member state look after their own.
Lets havea referendom so we can tell Brussels what to do with these stupit Laws. How come its only Britain that is enforcing these Laws. The French Government run their country for the benefit of their citizens Only yesterday a Judge was hand tied when sentencing a Romian robber He was not allowed to deport him after his jail term. No wonder they are all camping at the French Ports to get over here on the back of lorries.
All this while we're cutting our armed forces and giving wounded soldiers pathetically small payments! This is disgusting!
Never mind seeking alliance with other European nations,just tell them we are not playing their games anymore,and we want OUT.
SIGN THE PETITION ON THE UKIP WEBSITE.
our wimpish government will bleat and stamp feet but then will cough up! there will be nothing for our children we will be the minority in this country eventually. We must take control now. rewrite the human rights act, deport criminals do not pay benefits to immigrants unless they've worked for two years and paid tax and national insurance and only if they speak English.
James,London,UK 13:47.............. I'd save your breath if I were you,there's too many on this thread who won't accept that there's a far,far greater problem with dole scroungers already here from these shores,than any potential problems the Eastern Europeans would bring here.I always understood the benefit system intention was to provide a safety net to tide people over until they could support themselves,which I'm sure is what the vast majority of the migrants will be doing.How many times do we pick up a paper and read stories about a British,"Family of 15 on £1500/week benefits",or people in their 30's/40's who've never had a job since leaving school etc,yet it's accepted that they can receive dole money.....Its a bit like filling your car up with £80 of fuel at £1.44 a litre and saying nothing about that,yet constantly harping on for the next five miles about the petrol station charging you £2.49 for your sandwich........
The 4th Reich!!!........the landmass of Germany and France is many times greater than that of the United Kingdom. My beautiful homeland, my sceptred Isle in a silver sea is sinking. Time to resist and regain our sovereignty. Listen to your people Mr Cameron and take action now. britexpat
OI Duncan who gave these unelected unacountable dictators the right to boss us around?
Really if you look at where the biggest increase in public spending occured since Labour last came to power in 1997 it is not the Welfare bill this has risen of course but the National Health bill which has more than doubled to around 120Billion per annum (excluding the PFI money owed for building hospitals) in that time adding ever more to the deficit and hence Government debt. Whether this latest move will really make much impact on the overall deficit not sure as it may be a gnats whisker effect. Of course its always good to take a swipe at the EU Dictatorship which is starting to look precarious now due to the doubts over the future of the Euro!
I have said this before and I am saying it again. My generation are having to wait an extra few years to get our old age pension because this government make out they can no longer afford to pay it. Yet they seem to have the money to pay these scroungers benefit money. Also folks, these refugees will get a lot more benefit money than tax paying UK citizens get. All we can hope for is £65 a week!! These people will get £250 a week, free gas and electricity and wont have to pay council tax or rent. They wont shivver this winter but UK pensioners who paid into the system all of their working lives will because they are given a choice, heat or eat. Makes me sick.
Bob Warsaw - Gladly - dole, housing benefit, NHS, free education, family allowance, free dentists because of the benefits etc. etc. Been putting up with these types for well over 2 yrs, more keep coming, at home all day, drink like fish, smoke and wish I could afford the cars they drive, out of my reach I'm afraid, I'm an English working national!
David Davies for PM......Ian Duncan Smith for Deputy leader please!
They are as remote in their gravy splashed trains from the people, as the Commisars of Russia were from the peasants, under Uncle Joe.
Is it not the time when we should disassociate Britain from the European community? Just what, is it, that Cameron and Clegg are after?
Lets get out of EU. Its a shambles. It is unworkable.
EU illu****ti are trying to kill off this once great, proud people of Britian. We are just mere pawns to them ,here to work our fingers to the bone for nothing at the end of it all we just retire and die. Prime minister please hear your country be brave and make a stand, the whole country of British people will stand behind you (and you will get another term). All you need to do is ask us and we will answer in one voice I assure you!
About time we told the wasters in Brussels to get stuffed,they certainly know how to waste money. Time to get out of this gravy train for MEPs con DEREK
The other EU countries will probably do something about it, though. Judging from past behaviour, I don't hold out much hope that ours will.
Don't be fooled by the three main parties. They will say anything to appease the electorate: "always tell people what they want to hear" is their motto. If we, the British, want to regain control over our country, we must get out of the EU as quickly as possible. All this stuff about being "Little Englanders" is complete nonsense. It's just propaganda put out by Europhiles who would pay any price and sacrifice any sovereigny just to keep to their precious ideal of a pan-European superstate. Voting en masse for UKIP at the next election is the only way forward, unless you want to see Great Britain renamed "Loser Britain".
Not only do we have to subsidise EU citizens who come here hoping to get money without having to pay anything into our system, we are also paying the EU far more than we are getting out.Every single family in the UK gives the EU £299 per year.We are a net contributor.Why are we part of the EU?They treat us like dirt. Great youtube clip by Nigel Farage of UKIP lambasting Barroso on 28th September
Won't change under Cameron. He sees himself as a citizen of Europe rather than one of Britain. As such he is no more a BRITISH prime minister than was Charles de Gaulle. Strip him of his citizenship and deport him to Belgium. He belongs to Brussels, let them deal with him.
This is pathetic. I am originally from Brazil, came here to study seriously, got my Diploma, got married, spent a fortune learning the language, paying non European fees and after 13 years here, I never claimed benefits. Now I work in housing and I am tired of getting abuse from people who say they dont know the language enough to work but can speak English very well when they want to get a lovely flat and fill their pockets with benefits. As an immigrant myself, I cannot be racist but this is revolting.
Johnny from Donny, The reason that the poll to get us out of the EU is so low is that the government are massaging the amount of votes. They do not want to pull out because they and their rich friends will lose all the cheap labour that floods into the UK. That poll or any other that does not suit the rich bankers and company directors will never reach the target. There are too many brown envelopes involved.
Just imagine what wll happen when Greece default on their debt payments and the EU get their way. We will be swamped by Greeks and sink quickly only this time we will not rise to the surface again. Any guesses what happens then?
When,oh when,is someone going to finally stand up for the rights of the UK to govern itself without interference from the unelected,corrupt,UK-hating organisation that is called the EU? Britain is the only country being taken to court to uphold this absolutely crackers idea? Look,we have to get out and get out now. The electorate should tell Dave,in no uncertain terms,that the straw has finally landed on the camels back. One barmy law too far. He would ensure the gratitude of the whole country,plus guarantee himself another two election triumphs at least. Out and out now. Because this is only the first of many such laws that the EU will try to foist on us. OUT OUT OUT!!!!!
As an example to illustrate the question in my previous post "Evax Feel for the Polish guy over for 7 yrs working and trying for a better life. SADLY, in my area there ar few like that but many, predominantly Poles, benefit scrounging , drunken, idle, beer-swilling pigs over for a very, very long free holiday. This latest diktat just opens the door for more of the same. " If the message in the article is correct I wonder what benefits they are "scrounging" at the moment - please give examples
Simple solution - Close the borders to EVERYONE then there cannot be any discrimination. If the EU doesn't like it they can get lost.
So does this mean all those British workshy slugabeds will be able to claim despite not having made any NI contributions?
As a foreigner, I am "NOT" entitled to any benefits from the state whatsoever. I chose to come to England and I pay my taxes, have no criminal record, never used the NHS in over 7 years of being here and an active member of my local community. It is a sad state of affairs when your democracy , welfare system and affiliation to the EU is being abused to the extent we see, especially when it is from the unelected in Brussels. You all need to get your leaders to make a stand as your being taken advantage of big time.
When ukip get in next election we wont have this problem
Sorry Fred from Aberdeen, meant to give you the thumbs up
@you say so For thousands of years countries have fell in and out of power. So perhaps this is a natural process, we should all be silent and let things take their natural course ?
Why do we never see accountable representatives of this "european commission " explaining their actions?
We all can choose where our NI contributions go. We should all stick together and make sure our's don't go towards asylum seekers or anyone else who thinks they can just walk into this country and demand anything they think they are entitled to. If we went to their country and demanded money etc, we would be thrown in jail and then deported back. They would not give a hoot about any 'rights', what about our rights as British citizens to live free and not be pushed out of the way for people of other lands to come here and have it cosy! have it given to them on a plate. If our own redundant workers can not get help, why the hell should those scroungers come to this country and have it all for free.
Feel for the Polish guy over for 7 yrs working and trying for a better life. SADLY, in my area there ar few like that but many, predominantly Poles, benefit scrounging , drunken, idle, beer-swilling pigs over for a very, very long free holiday. This latest diktat just opens the door for more of the same. Soon England will be broke, it'll be worth it to see them all scuttle back or move on to another country they can ruin. Then we get decent leaders and rebuild - we've done it before and can do it again.
Duncan Smith etc or correct. The following is interesting: "Concerns: It is feared the change could open the door to tens of thousands of Eastern Europeans who are currently deterred from coming here" A lot of posters on this and other stories already think they get benefits straight away - so who is correct
I'm in my early sixties and may not be here anymore in 10 years or so who knows... but I do worry about the future for my own hard working kids and my three little grandchildren.
Quite simply we should pay non citizens nothing and they should pay us for schooling , medical and all other costs. They should not be given housing unless there is spare capacity and then only on month to month bases paying the full rent as we never know when we will have to turf them out for our own. Jobs in this country should be for citizens and there should be heavy import duties to discourage imports. Does this mean we should get out of the EU ? Who do you know that wants to stay in the EU ? So who does you MP and MEP and the rest actually "work" for and who actually authorised them to pay for the rest of Europe out of your income and mine ?
Folks, remember its also Brits who have paid into the system all their lives who get caught out by the so called residency rule i.e if you're out of the country for more than 6 months you have no entitlement to job seekers allowance and your contributions count for absolutely nothing...(!)
@ Hunter - I know one thing for sure, after the former Yugoslavia was brought to its knees those countries with beautiful coastline and countryside were moved in on by global property portfolio investors and holiday companies, surely not to the benefit of
A sovereign Government can close its own Borders. So WHY don't you? We are paying our taxes so that our elected Government can govern our own Country according to its long standing Common law Constitution- can it do that? Why are you putting through the EU's Localism Bill that divides forever the Country of ENGLAND into EU Regions? Why are you destroying our Country? Understand that the people of this Country cannot possibly pay taxes that contribute in any way to allow a foreign organisation to govern us, for it is absolutely contrary to our Constitution. Finally, WHY do you think the people in those new REGIONS will contribute to any EU fines when ALL ARE INNOCENT IN THIS COUNTRY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Take a care for these proposals are waking up the Great Magna Carta, and remember what happened the last time it was used in earnest. The Crown lost its power. So will Parliament be the next or has it already given it away to the EU?
this country is run by spineless creeps,tell Europe where to go and there is NOTHING Brussels can do.be a man and stand against bully's
Where do they EU think the money is coming from? as my mother would say "it's not a bottomless pit " when I asked her for something. I think they're look for something to do to keep themselves busy! Sally Sheffield England.
Other Eastern EU countries must be in melt down with the influx of Britsh people flocking to live there !! Oh they don't ! why is that Prime Minister ?
Follow the bible and you will be taken into the kingdom of heaven, repent your sins and all evil now. Do not feel jealousy for those on need of benefits as it is their right to remain alive
I wish EDS the very best of luck with this!
Who can we trust, Thatcher & Heath got us involved, and if it had stopped there it may have been ok, but Tony Blair and Gordon Brown signed up to those documents that hand over all our powers to the EU. The hundred of thousands who died during the 1914-18 and the 1939-45 wars must be spinning in their graves. Those who survived and are in their 70's or 80's must be heartbroken to see this nation being taken over by faceless bureaucrats. We dont have enough to give our own people a decent service in their old age and now we are expected to keep the whole of Europe's sick and elderly cos they will flood over if this is allowed to go through. IT MUST NOW OR WE WILL BECOME A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY - WHAT A LEGACY FOR ALL THEIR SACRIFICE.
The tories are being held back by their europhile junior partners, the limp-dems and are keeping them sweet in the interests of staying in power. Don't ever forget what liebour did encouraging mass immigration and benefits for all. I wonder if the tories got rid of the lib-dems, if more people would vote for them and they would have the majority they would need to rid us of this evil.
So why is the Government's ePetition for a Referendum still languishing at 33,000 signatures. I don't understand. Someone please explain??? - Group Capt. Hardley-Ffarting, Little Bumpton on the Wold, 1/10/2011 The votes are being fiddled by those in our government in return for jobs in the E.U. no doubt. The government are full of lies and fiddles they are in government for their own ends. NOW GIVE US OUR PROMISED REFERNDUM ON IN OR OUT OF THE E.U. (WITHOUT AND FIDDLES THIS TIME) PLEASE If ePetitions arn't working let's see if the Newspapers can join together and and do a "ReadersPetition", , , , How about it DailyMail? Join the people and make news
It is time for us to leave the EU altogether; we have nothing to lose as the EU gain more from exporting their goods to us than we gain from exporting to them. OUT sooner rather than later. We all want our country back!
Have you noticed that only DM relate this information? Is it the same fight as "no to the EU passport"? The same ridiculous campaign ? And in a fortnight time the DM will have forced the politicians to do something about it? Ridiculous! and all these comments coming from people who are confused about what EU is really.It is always someone else's fault, but if you step back a tad can't you see the bankers funded with public money, the big businesses which really paying too little taxes or they move away are more responsible for what happens now that the EU. No I say : the only really good article in this paper is Mac, the sudoku, crossword, for the rest it stays a good paper to light a fire in the chimney.....
Foreign Secretary William Hague should enter into negotiations with EU leaders to get powers handed back to Britain. . . . John Redwood wrote on his blog: ‘What is he doing about it? . . . Why does Redwood ask a question when he, no we, all know the answer: It's NOTHING. Hague is an inept and out of his depth politician. Hague is a career politician who was earmarked for the Tory Parliamentary party from a very early age. He, like others of that ilk, make the worst possible MPs. For that very reason he should be dumped unceremoniously at the earliest opportunity.
If you want us out of the EU there is one thing that you can do right now. Join UKIP online, quick, simple and cheap, and it will lend support to the only Party that has promised to take us OUT.
How much more of this can we take, when is our cowardly PM going to start showing some common sense, not to mention courage and start to stick up for our country. Maybe its about time he started doing the job he's paid to do , ie., represent the voters of the UK. WE WANT A REFERENDUM, and we want it NOW.
Other EU countries must be on melt down with the influx of British people flocking to the likes of Poland !!! I wonder why we don't want to go and live there ??? can anyone explain to me ! it realy is keeping me awake at night.
This is crazy and our government knows it is. They can and have to get us out of this crushing European Union. It's about time we stood up to these unelected, corrupt dictators and bureaucrats from Brussels and Strasbourg. It's making a mockery of the working population here that will have to endure service cuts and other hardships to pay for these marauding, free loading peasants. Meanwhile Britain should introduce a regulation that stipulates that to claim benefits a person has to have worked and paid in to our system for a minimum of five years or more to qualify for any benefits. Stop all emergency payments and transitional payments.
No to the European Court of Human Rights. No to an increase in UK VAT, the balance to go to the EU. No to a Financial Transaction Tax No to an imposed increase to the annual EU budget. No to the payments of benefits to EU immigrants as soon as they arrive here. No to the ceding of more powers to the EU. In fact, no to the EU full stop. We get absolutely nothing out of the EU except a heffty yearly bill and lots of grief from Barroso, Van Rumpoy & Lady Ashton, all failed politicians in their own countries thereafter. We don't need the EU, we certainly don't need the "kiss of death Euro" on the contrary, they need the UK to keep filling their troughs for them because we are the only "silly billy's" who roll over and play dead for them time & again. We will be better off out of the whole corrupted mess and the sooner the better. What part of "out of the EU now" does our government & "call me Dave" not understand?
The EU is as bad as Hitler... England is once more under threat from all sides. And Cameron is talking about speed limits and plastic bags! Where are the sons and daughters of those who fought in two world wars? Join the resistance - stand up and fight...
So, Britain, tell me again exactly what you've gained from joining the EU? Whatever it is, I sure can't see it.- Kat, Virginia, USA++++++++++++++I'll try although I think you already know - ZERO. "Its crucial for our trade" - no its not, we buy more from the EU than we sell to them. "Its to counter the US, China and big trade blocs" Then why does Canada with the mighty US next door do so well or Australia on the edge of the vibrant Asian area. Trade is trade no membership needed. We have made many wrong turns as a nation - neglecting our mass manufacturing, spending far too much on defence (of others as well as ourselves just like the US) immigration beyond our means etc but we did have our democracy - which the EU Commission certainly is not and I pray that we realise our mistake and take that step backward from the fire.
Purchases from the drug cafes of Maastricht have been restricted to citizens of Belgium, Germany and of course The Netherlands. The European Union have decided that such a restriction is legal. I don't care about who is or is not allowed to buy cannabis in Holland but it would appear, using the Maastricht principle, to be legal for the UK to restrict benefits payments to such countries as they see fit..
We can all gripe and complain but I am afraid that our lily livered MP's will do what they have always done to improve the lives of the hard working taxpayers in this country! NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
Damn the EU, its nothing but a load of freeloading MEP, we are being taken for a ride, we give far more into the EU than we ever get out for "projects". Projects that done last, create something with a longer life span than three years. MY GRANDAD DIED FOR HIS COUNTRY'S FREEDOM AND THATCHER & HEATH AND THAT b*****d BLAIR SOLD OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE FOR THEIR OWN GAIN. GET US OUT.
ha ha, this does not surprise me at all. I thought that ruling wouldn't go down well in Germany, who have a welfare state almost as generous as Britain's. We certainly don't want every scrounger from other EU countries here either. The free market is for WORKERS, not scroungers.
YES YES. YES. About bloomin time.
Time for David Cameron to stand by his pledge to get us out of the EU Human Rights mess. If the Lib Dems want to protest and pull out of the coalition then let them. I'd like to see them fight an election on the platform of "We want to keep the Human Rights Act". They haven't got many MPs now, they'd have a lot less on that manifesto. - Mick, Essex, 1/10/2011 12:45..................SORRY MICK THE MAN HAS CONNED YOU AND A LOT MORE LIKE YOU. HE WILL NEVER GIVE US THE VOTE.
In Ireland there is a family of 6 from Bosnia (2 parents and 4 children) who are actually entitled to €90,000.00 worth of benefits a year. The government is trying to cap the maximum to €50,000.00 per year.There are self employed men who have contributed to the exchequer and are not entitled to Social Welfare payments at all. This is going to be a very hard winter for a lot of people.
This is the last. Straw. We must have referendum,to leave the EU now. We were 100 times better off,and should have done this long ago.
My Father and Grandfather fought in the two World Wars so that we wouldn't be dictated to by a foreign power. Where do I sign up?
I will be the first to shout! The communist emperor is naked! He has no clothes!
People of this great land need to get together and say if our tax and NI contributions don't go to help our old, disabled, and people who have had the misfortune of being made redundant the we all down tools and refuse to pay tax and NI. Its our money for god sake, who the hell do they think they are telling us we have to give it to all comers who have never worked here. Why won't this gutless lot give us a vote to get out or stay in the EU. This rubbish Cameron is saying about us having a vote in the past is just that RUBBISH. It was a vote on a common market not a united states of Europe. We need to tell the EU that they can shove this law were the sun don't shine and by the way you won't be getting any more money out of. Some people must be making a killing out of us being in the EU but not the rest of us who are being ripped off big time. WE WANT THE VOTE CAMERON AND WE WANT IT NOW.
Politicians Tony Blair and Gordon Brown signed up to those documents that hand over all our powers to the EU. Remember how Brown sneaked into Brussels and signed those documents hoping no one would see him? Don't vote Labour, they've done enough damage to our country.
I have said this to my MP, the elected representatives of this country namely the MPs that sit in Westminster have had 66 years to turn a war torn bankrupt country into a vibrant and dynamic economy maybe not as we were before the war but better. But what have we got 66 years of boom bust and the end result is still a war torn and bankrupt country maybe not bombed out as we were during the war but nevertheless bombed out!
i can't get job seekers cause i haven't paid insurance contributions over the last two years and i am british.How come foreigners can,or is that a false claim by the mail to stir things up.The system is to blame not the lazy claimants,my son works but most of his mates are claiming some sort of benefit with girlfriends and kids.Wrong but el gordo broon encouraged this practice and invited millions to join the club.
I was always brought up to believe that being on benefits was something you didn't shout about. It was a last resort because people thought it was shameful. NOW people flock to UK just for the benefits & don't care who knows it...... Tell Europe to poke it's gone to far now
Time for David Cameron to stand by his pledge to get us out of the EU Human Rights mess. If the Lib Dems want to protest and pull out of the coalition then let them. I'd like to see them fight an election on the platform of "We want to keep the Human Rights Act". They haven't got many MPs now, they'd have a lot less on that manifesto.
Once we've all voted UKIP at the next election we won't need to worry about these daft EU rules.
Your comments:David Davies for PM.....and Ian Duncan Smith as Deputy please!
We had a referendum on the silly lib/dem voting system and this pressure and bullying from Barosso deserves a referendum for the british people. Cameron said "If there are any further unacceptable laws from the EU the people should be consulted "- fine words but has he the balls to fight this threat off ?. Even Clegg says it is wrong and he is a fanatical supporter of Europe. The governments decision on this will resonate at the next election if they fail to say "Enough is enough" to Brussels.
If Eastern Europeans are deterred from coming here, why is our country full of them?
it is time to quit the EU
One way to curb Brussels is that a ruling is made that there is a benefit ‘One set rate’ payable in ALL European counties to immigrants. It would be different from each counties main rate but would ‘Even’ the playing field? People that wish to travel would be supported if without work but would be less likely to overload those countries they know pay more. The rate can be set taking the rates in each country and finding the ‘Average’? Some would have to pay more – others would pay less and not be used as a ‘Cash Cow’, which is what it appears Brussels want us to be? Lets see if Brussels likes the idea of this as much as they want other rules and laws to be ‘universal’?
I am now 53 and have never been given the right or chance to vote on one of the biggest drains on this countries finances. As per usual MP's will speak the speak but never act, Why, its where they all go when deselected as an MP. Just look at Kinnock and Co. Its the European Gravy train. Give us the right as citizens who supposedly live in a democracy to have our say about our membership.
" Other EU nations join the UK in protest." We are not interested in other "EU Nations" - joining us in protest. We couldn't care less - WE JUST WANT OUT - what these other " EU Nations " do - is their business.
We need to pull out of the EU, nothing but money down the drain
UK PACK UP AND LEAVE EU. seriously there walking all over us.
I read what you think about my comment. Much nasty to me. I still come with my family, I take money from Primeminister Cameron. I vote for party that give my family more money. You go out and work harder to pay for me. I no care, no my problem.
The people of this country are so sick of the EU that in the next election the LibLabCon will be out and a party strongly anti EU will be elected,this government is too thick or to arrogant to see this
In Ireland Jobseekers is 188EUR/£161.00 and rent allowance can be over 900EUR a month. I understand the DM is a British paper but Ireland is going to swamped even worse for a small country if this goes ahead, our welfare rates are so much higher then the UK. Already over twenty million euro a year goes from Ireland to Poland in child benefit for children who don't even live here.
The World trade centres come down, and other terrible things going on in this world. Yet, I am sorry to say, that if The European Commission building in Brussels came down, it wouldn't worry me in the slightest. A terrible thing to say and think about our EU friends, but this is the resulting rage and hate that I now feel for this place.
This organisation is becoming more ridiculous by the day. We must keep pushing for a referendum. No one under the age of 55 has ever had a chance to participate in a referendum on future membership.
There's a great deal more to this EU diktat than is being mentioned in UK or European media: The EU-Turkey Parliamentary Group (YES, there really is such a monstrosity, unelected and unaccountable, too, like the rest of the EU!) has just agreed measures to REMOVE ALL VISA REQUIREMENTS FOR TURKS INTO ALL EU NATIONS. This means that over 70 million Moslems will be able to flood every European country, and Britain and get full benefits including citizenship.
I know of a woman who has children who were born in Czech Republic, she lives here and she claims Child Benefit for them here, but spends all of the Summer holidays in Czech Republic so that she claim her benefits there too. Why is that allowed? She is either living here or there, and shouldn't be allowed to claim in both countries.
Unelectable unaccountable i know he is talking about the EU but it does say it all about this coalition realy.
Why not change the rules so that NO ONE can claim without having "paid in" first, either through tax contributions, or EVIDENCED community contributions through local schemes. I don't care what nationality a claimant is, but I do feel that some give and take in the system seals the contract between individual and state.
As much as i try i really can't see what tangible benefit we get from being part of the European union. We pretty much play by the rules and then we, the paying public, don't even seem to get small advantages such as cheaper fuel like they do on the continent. Seems that all the UK does is give, give, give. The whole thing just seems to get more farcical.
This latest development makes it clear that the EU is hell-bent on using the 'human rights' legislation to bring about a European super-state. It is time to go back to square one ie define, in narrow terms, what was intended by: The free movement of Capital; Goods and Services; and Labour. Also, if someone moves from one country to another, any welfare benefits necessary should be paid by the home country. And the payments should be paid at the purchasing power parity exchange rate (ie moving from one country to another should not provide a 'windfall' gain wrt the basket of goodies that can be bought with the welfare benefits)..... Now wait for the howls of anguish from the 'ex-pats'.
In france there are two types of benefits..unemployment benefit & income support...you have to have worked for six months or more to claim unemployment benefit but you have to have lived in france for five years or more to claim income support...or you get nothing...
In a democracy, can I ask who are these nameless, faceless people who sail behind the EU veil and start running our lives, who are they, who gave them this power, exactly what is this EU agenda and who is driving it? It almost sounds like a Jason Bourne thriller and I would love to know the dictators running it
Rob Hall Herts No dear boy or girl. I get more than snippets. Thanks to the wonderful Internet I listen daily to Radio 3, 4 and 5 Live, the still just about presentable BBC World Service radio, NPR RADIO from Washington and Finland's own excellent YLE radio and TV. Also thanks to the Internet I read daily The Daily Mail, Guardian, Daily Telegraph, The Independant, The Racing Post and the Spectator, Financial Times and other magazines. I have the time to do this and I am sure I am far better informed than you seem to be. So there we are with knobs on. Ho Ho.
The word "NO" works in most languages.
European Commission is a disgrace just like other supranational, nearly always unelected institutions. EU together with UN, IMF, WTO ecc. impose globalization, Western deindustralization, a worsening of working conditions especially for low-skill indigenous workers, mass immigration, multiculturalism, spurious and ludicrous "human rights", they want legislate even for the citizen's right to keep guns or freedom of speech. At the moment they would take advantage of economic crisis with the purpose of curtailing national sovereingty even further. Let's hope well-aware people claim true freedom, the sooner the better.
Time to get out of the unelected EU. We cannot afford to implement its madcap dictats. We are already paying too many benefits to those who have never contributed. All immigration controls need to be tightened.
What they want and are saying is fine . Providing every single country in Europe offers the same in Benefits and help that we do .
THE EU WANTS THIS COUNTRY ON ITS KNEES THEN THEY CAN GRAB WHATEVER MONEY THEY LIKE FROM US WHILST STILL WORKING FOR THEM - NOT US WE ARE HERE TO BENEFIT OTHERS!
All this talk of a "Diktat" is ridiculous ! Based on the idea that the European Commissioners are not voted in. Just stop and think for one TINY minute - Police Commissioners in the UK are appointed================It is the way of the world - some people are voted in; others are appointed. Stop all this rubbish - DM too, for scandal-mongering and misleading its readers! - Victor JKB, Burford, 01/10/2011 08:44 Yes Victor, it may be the way of the world but that doesn't make it right! It causing problems and must be stopped, in all of it's forms. Diktats are issued by diktatorships. Do you understand what that means?
What's this about 'entering into negotiations' to return powers to Britain. Surely we need much more robust action than that. As a net contributor to the EU budget, the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the UK. Cameron should start by declaring that we will NOT obey this latest diktat and the EU tries to take us to court we will refuse to pay any 'fines' imposed. If they try and collect such fines we will withold ALL payments to the EU and unilaterally abrogate all treaties and withdraw completely from the EU. If they call our bluff then we should indeed withdraw. Remember that, apart from our EU membership contributions, we are also contributing billions to the fund to shore up countries like Greece which would also disappear. Believe me, we do hold a number of strong cards and we should start playing them now.
The time is right to get out of Europe, It will be the poorer as we are net contributers and our actions will put greater pressure on France and Germany and all the other nations who are net givers. Politicians have obviously not learned the lesson of the USSR. As soon as there was a sniff of demoracy all those unrelated states went there own way because they had different cultures, different economic cycles, and different peoples with different languages. Any of this seem familiar. Lets give up on this political red herring now once and for all.
So it will cost us £2.5 billions more: Just deduct £5 billion pounds from our contribution £2.5 billion for the cost and £2.5 billion for extra admin costs. Better still deduct £5 billion and tell them to get stuff ed.
Why are they taking it out on the UK first. We have to be firm and just say no and refuse to go to court. Don't change the rules and tell the EU non elected dictators where to go to.
why is Britain so selfish??????- Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 22:17.......Your question is a bit vague. Do you mean "Why is Britain selfish to its own people by putting more pressure on us to bear the costs of more benefits or to not wanting to pay benefits to migrants".
Honestly, European, do you really think that a country such as the UK would be denied trading rights with the EU if it is not a member state of the EU? Just ask Norway and, more impressively, Switzerland, if they have had to stop trading with the EU as neither of them is a member. The problem is that this idiotic idea is being dispersed amongst EU nations as a threat and dire warning to member states that they will be ostracised if they ever leave. Britain is Europe's financial HUB. This is like being back in the school class room where someone says, "I won't play with you, unless you do as I tell you." Is this really where the Reformation and the Enlightenment has got us? Well, if so, then i am ashamed to call myself a European. I thought we were more grown-up than that. Europe once showed the world the way but we are now showing the world exactly how NOT to manage our finances, economies and nations. We need intelligence and innovative ideas, not bankers and debt!
No one with any sense, running a nation would continue have any connections whatsoever with an illegal organisation that constantly bleeds it of it's wealth.The choice to remain attached in any shape or form with the E.U. is as act of treason against this nations people, and those that continue to follow this path, will be held accountable, and will be dealt with appropiately.
Vote to get rid of the eu and close the doors. if we close the doors and STOP the free for all and use OUR laws. We need a government with a BACKBONE and let Britain be Great Britain AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank God we're making a stand this time and not rolling over like a poor whipped pup! Looks like other sensible countries are p155ed off too, EXCELLENT! Time to bring an end to this unelected, faceless dictatorship that we DO NOT WANT! This is most certainly NOT what the 'Common Market' was originally about - don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
WE need our government to take a very strong stand against any payments to foreign workers or shirkers unless they have complied with the existing rules.. We should equally strongly tell the EC bureacrats to keep out of UK business and to throttle back their activities by at least 205 with a similar reduction in EC costs. Alternateively, a far better solution , we will quit this expensive and bureacratic organisation entirely
Daily Mail: You KNOW you can influence events...campaign NOW!
Anyone interested in hearing from UKIP should try and attend an evening with NIGEL FARAGE MEP on 20th October 7.30pm at Mayhem Theatre Arts, Hoddesdon, Herts. He is a truly inspirational speaker, with more passion, intelligence and dynamism than all the other Party leaders put together.
Barroso's recent outburst, regarding the compulsory payment of benefits to European benefit tourists and the taxes on the City's financial transactions, smacks of "constructive dismissal" so beloved of businesses trying to get rid of troublesome employees. Clearly our unelected government has had enough of the “troublesome” British Maybe this is finally the endgame in our relationship with our "European masters" and we can now look forward to the promised EU referendum from our "cast iron" premier. Clearly the EU realise we will be leaving shortly - great news - I hope!!
We are sadly becoming a laughing stock. Apart from the hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans making their way to our shores ( If you remember the official government estimate at the time was 13,000) we must not forget the thousands coming in from Iraq, Iran and the third world. It seems as though we are completely powerless to limit immigration of any kind and now the EU are looking to make these shores more attractive to benefit scroungers. We must continue to press for a Referendum on withdrawing from the EU AND REMEMBER - NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 55 HAS EVER HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ON CONTINUED MEMBERSHIP !!!
its time the government say no to this and MEAN NO!!! we are a sovereign state.and should not be ruled by a bunch of IDIOT UNELECTED DICTATORS
Perhaps it is time that we all went the Gov.uk web site and started, or signed, a petition to make the Government debate the whole issue of the EU again!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A LIBERAL IS? SOMEONE WHO HASNÂ’T BEEN MUGGED YET!!
Yes, it COULD be up to £2.5b extra... I'm sure that is certainly more than offset by the contributions and benefits (no pun) which the current hard working Eastern Europeans have brought to this country,as in the personnel doing the jobs that "lazy British won't do" etc,the jobs that, for some God knows reason,they obviously feel are beneath their expectations. As I've posted on another thread,we ought to be looking at our own benefit claimants more thoroughly before we start over scrutinising these migrants....
Please Please lets get out of this EU money grabbing situation. We in the UK dont want to be in the EU It makes me sick knowing my hard earned money is paying some w*&%ker in brussles or where ever they are to rip me off. I know let them only claim what they would get in there own country.
Yes the Tories are revolting, never thought I'd hear that from the DM.
If this not a reason for getting out what is, they have overstepped the mark, we are a Sovereign State and they should have NO jurisdiction over our internal affairs,this is a step too far
Why you are so arrogant Brits?Just get out ad stop moaning. Check yourself who contributes the most in EU. First place Germany:22 218 438 941mln euro second place France:17 303 107 859mln Euro third place Italy:14 359 479 157mln euro fourth place UK:13 739 900 046mln Euro Europe can handle without UK but question is if UK can handle without EU? You will trade with who?Greenland or make dodgy businesses with Iceland. Canary Wharf would not feed all of you!!!Even if you get out and get rid of 1mmigrants you will still have millions Brits on benefits having fun on Cardiff streets.It is really easy for you.When guano hits the fan you want to run away. UK is in huge debt as well like everyone so don't expect Americans and Russians will help you out like in II World War.Stop being so selfish.I am talking about EU membership not benefits.Because I am with you on this subject.No benefit tourism in whole Europe.This is crazy.
THIS IS WHAT UKIP HAVE TO SAY... ''The EU has become a vast and foolish indulgence which we can no longer afford to subsidise. The impending collapse of the euro has left Britain shackled to a sinking ship and it is vital that the politicians at Westminster stop wasting vast sums of our money bailing it out'' The only STRAIGHT TALKING COMMON SENSE Party in the UK at the moment.I will be voting for UKIP for the forseeable future.
All these comments from readers but I expect most of those who are now saying enough is enough of these unelected morans of the European Union, are the people who at the last election voted either conservative or Liberal. Now they have seen what a mess these two parties are making of running our Great Country perhaps they will vote for the only party that guarantees to take us out of Europe and become our own masters again, by which I mean THE UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY.
Before I submit any opinion on this subject I think it best I should register my details first.
No fore thought from our governmentS old or new. Why do they not think that the population was against joining. It was only them and people with money that wanted us in, Learn by your mistakes and get out.
What is important is that the rest of Europe is waking up to this unelected dictatorship that is costing its citizens their jobs and their pensions while Barrosso and Lady Trumpington and the thousands of non job pen pushers in Brussels collect their wonderful, salaries, expenses, free child care for their kids and gold plated pensions. Who NEEDS THE EU?
I thought that everybody understood that this is all part of the grand plan. Britain already has to pay foreigners who USED to live here. Now we're supposed to pay ones who have just arrived. Then there's the financial transaction tax. Another levy to take money from Britain and put it in Barroso's pocket. We can't even get rid of foreign thieves, paedophiles, terrorists, murderers and hate preachers. And what do we British get out of it? Basically, nothing. Did you know that if the EU puts up £50 million for a project in this country, the British government also has to put up £50 million? Where does the government get its money? You and me. Where does the EU get its money? You and me. And for the sake of Camilla, somewhere or other, only 16% of Britain's trade is with other EU members. Britain could easily make that up by reverting to historical trade partners, currently disadvantaged because Britain has to impose EU rules on them. It's one big con for the benefit of the Commissars.
Why you are so arrogant Brits?Just get out ad stop moaning. Check yourself who contributes the most in EU. First place Germany:22 218 438 941mln euro second place France:17 303 107 859mln Euro third place Italy:14 359 479 157mln euro fourth place UK:13 739 900 046mln Euro Europe can handle without UK but question is if UK can handle without EU? You will trade with who?Greenland or make dodgy businesses with Iceland. Canary Wharf would not feed all of you!!!Even if you get out and get rid of foreigners you will still have millions Brits on benefits having fun on Cardiff streets.It is really easy for you.When guano hits the fan you want to run away. UK is in huge debt as well like everyone so don't expect Americans and Russians will help you out like in II World War.Stop being so selfish.I am talking about EU membership not benefits.Because I am with you on this subject.No benefit tourism in whole Europe.
It is way past the time we got out of this stupid club. It does nothing but help bankers, terrorists, undesireables and free-loaders to reap the benefits that have been hewn from the sweat of our efforts and that of our forebears, long before this club opened. The EU is disgraceful and corrupt in its whole premise and I think the party that gets us out of it, will be in power for a very long time. As far the their so-called 'Human rights' court, it fails miserably to ensure the human rights of honest citizens by supporting the rights of serious criminals and imposing such people on law abiding society.
Yes and i believe if your a BRIT returning to live uk after living abroad your entitled to nothing and have to sit a Habitual residency test to do so. So our own nationals dont qualify but eu nationals do DISGRACE we are crazy to accept this !
This is United Kingdom we do what is best for our country nothing to do with EU, if EU is not happy with this action Please, please remove us from their list.
Well I'm glad someone else is seeing the light, is this a crack in the EU, the one that will finnaly bring it down, and give us back our countries so we can have our lives back again. The "Common Market", European Market, EU, call it what you want, was always doomed to fail, no-one wants to be rulled by faceless wonders from another country, and we dont want a federal Europe, we just want our lives back ruled by ourselves. And be alowed to kick out any undesirables we want, instead if having to listen to idiots making rules we dont need.
Few contributors here have any right to complain; you were warned time and time again about the British Fifth Column, Lib/Lab/Con. The people who comprise these parties are traitors - in the truest sense, but you couldn't bring yourself to believe it. Perhaps now you will.
Now you are able to see with the utmost clarity of a political ready to take 2 completely opposite positions on the same subject. Contrast Cleggy's statement above with his conference statement last week. Got the LIB-Dems in one.
There is only one person in this country that could possibly stop this nonsense and that is HRH the Queen. Why don't we all just bombard her Majesty and ask that she disband this government and enable us to get out of the EU before this country dies completely.? Don't bother speaking to the monkeys - go direct to the Organ grinder herself!
"UK is rich country and should pay benefit for people like my family because we are exploited for a long time by the British" - Jakub, Lubin, Poland, I don't think you really exist, Jakub. If you do the Polish education system must be even worse than ours. Do you call leaping to your aid, after Germany invaded you, exploitation? Apart from that have we ever had dealings with your country in all of it's history? Personally, I think you are some joker living in London making it all up.
Independence for Scotland now, shame on the English - Jackie, Glasgow, Scottish and proud of it, Had a rerun of ''Brave Heart'' then Jackie, yes Scottish Independence, right full tilt into the EU as envisaged by that little man who runs your country, I would rethink it all if I were you, I know I would not want Independence for Wales for the very same reason and only wishful dreamers who live in the past would.
Oh this is so easily solved - Just take all the disabled people off their benefits and DLA, take all our own (Brits) off Jobseekers and just give all our money to those poor and needy foreigners instead! Oh no - I forgot, they are already doing that. Shut the doors and let their OWN countries support them instead. While our own starve (including serving soldiers) why the hell should we be forced into taking on scroungers from other sodding countries? End our connection to the EU while we are it!
Wouldn't it be interesting if the EU ruled that all benefit payments and rules were exactly the same throughout the EU irrespective of the country. I wonder how many immigrants and so called 'asylum seekers' would then choose to come and settle in the UK?
Why does Scotland have to have these rules imposed on it? - Rosie, Dundee, Scotland, 1/10/2011 10:51 Well first Rosie Scotland is part of the UK and therefor in the EU but wait and see what happens to your country if it gets its wish and gets out of this arrangement and your politicians go in full power, then see what is in store for your country, just ask the Southern Irish and Greece what it is like.
If this lunacy is allowed what hope is there for the young people of this country, what hope is tere for investment in infrastructure and job creation for young people. Lets revolt to end the EU lunacy
well said ANDY . THE BLAIR BROADCATING CORPORATION makes me sick compared to what a fine institution it was before the LEFT took over. - john sutcliffe, kouvola finland, 01/10/2011 10:35 How has the left taken over? For example, how many newspapers in this country are right wing vs left wing? Britain is somewhere in the middle, despite the heavy right wing media and despite the cries of both the left and right for it to be more in their direction (and cries from both of being victimised at the expense of the other) Anyway, does being a resident of Finland mean you only get your impression of the BBC from the snippests of spin and exagaration in your favourite newspaper? So many people in this country do, and they actually live here
why is Britain so selfish?????? - Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 23:13 Britain is selfish?? i wouldn't say selfish but stupid for given away so much money for people from other countries some which are not even EU, i've worked in GB for 3 years and never needed any benefits, and I paid all my taxes during that time so why cant '' fit to work'' people do the same?!!
Whilst your at it, sort out the buy to let market in London. A 2 bed flat on my road is up for sale, and in the past few hours, I kid you not, 40 so called investors have turned up to see it in their, BMWs, Audis etc. I'm not bitter, I have my money invested else where, I feel sorry for those young couples here in london struggling to get a place to live in, having to play extortionate rent, when really places like these could be brought by them to live in, rather then this BTL cartel.
We are being deliberately destabilsed, it's been obvious since 1997 and please will people stop claiming it's incompetence - it is all planned and a highly competent drive to bring us down for good. Your average local MP knows as much as you do about global politics.
GET US OUT OF THE EU!!!.....
I absolutely agree with fighting against it (being an Eastern European in West myself). Free movement of workforce is one thing but benefit tourism should never be encouraged. In fact, it's not only destructive for the social security budgets of the Western European countries but also for the countries such "tourists" abandon in search for an easier life. They should stay and help build up the economy at home, or study and strive to better themselves, instead of leeching somewhere else. Besides, they make all the hardworking immigrants look bad. In fact, I think there should be a lot less benefits to begin with - people should still have motivation to study and work, not settle for easier life at someone else's expense.
My husband (NOT PARTNER- CANT STAND THE TERM) This country is a shameful joke. Blair and Brown should be charged with Treason. Mrs Thatcher left them a gold plated economy. - Sick and Tired of Being Sick And Tired, Grotsville. The Soviet Socialist Republic of Europe., 01/10/2011 08:43 I'm sick and tired of people knocking this country and of those detractors being arrogant, self-righteous and readers of this filthy rag. Such people are the joke and shame of modern day Britain. A lot of people have partners and obviously don't mind the term - are they less a person than you as you obviously seem to think? Get out and read more and make that reading something more positive than this hate inspiring rag. Like most, you have no understanding or knowledge of what Soviet and Socialist mean in the context that you try to use. I moved 200 miles to find a good job. If you're so well qualified, go find the work, don't expect it to come to you, victim
The notion that benefits should be paid to anyone coming here as described in the article is an unfeasible idea conceived by madmen. I suggest that the E.U. think of their ruling as an enema, and act accordingly.
Trule wonderful decision by EU. I have tell family. My wife, my children, my cousins, my uncles we all come to England. We live anywhere but Woolverhamptan - apparently worst city in world. Please have homes ready. No need to worry - we won't take job from you - just house and money from Primeminister Cameron. Were is good romanian talking schools in England?
UKIP is the only credible answer. Lib/Lab/Con will DO NOTHING.
"I see the right wing, swivel eyed loonies are up in arms again. - Keith, Yeovil," ah, so in that case then you must be the tree hugging, silly liberal left, the same left that is intent on seeing the keys to this nation being handed over to the every single last minority group that can make their way here with the support of their MEP champions?
Where is UKIP? they have been saying this for years. They have argued and been thrown out of conferences in Brussels because he dared say to their faces they were not elected to make decisions for the UK, treated wrongly by most as a bit of a joke at the time. Get real UK citizens, do you think America would stand for this.
Unfortunately, if you join a club, you have to obey its rules. You can't be a member and have your own set of rules. If you don't like the rules, then you leave the club. It's as simple as that. I'm not referring to Carlos Tevez by the way in this instance. - Robert, Gorleston, 01/10/2011 10:34 I think it's more to do with the rules keep changing that is the problem......I am reasonably aware of the reasons for and against the EU, but this seems to be bullying of the most extreme kind to me, probably some bleeding heart has said that Britain is being unfair and won't pay me benefits when I hitched a ride over there (albeit not in english, heaven forefend that we expect people to speak the language) I'm totally fed up of paying for other people, and people who's ancestors even haven't paid into the system, perhaps if we stopped shelling out free money, they would realise the gravy train had stopped and leave.
If we are going to be a United Nations of the EU then why don't we level the playing field? Instead of British farmers, manufacturers, or industrialists competing with lower paid workers from other parts of Europe why not use all arable, agricultural land, and industrial areas collectively across the EU. Why not work together to make the countries that people from EU countries 'fled' better places to live for all and level out average rents and living costs across the board. Make an EU welfare benefits level for each country and enforce those that don't a benefits system to implement one uniform system? Either we become the EU and we all play the same game by the same rules and share our collective wealths, debts, and assets - OR - get us the hell out of the EU NOW!!!
Surely it's time for MEPs to kick back against the unelected commission and deprive them of their power to legislate? The EU would be far more democratic as a result... The only laws coming out of Brussels should be those that have been debated and voted on by MEPs
just be incredibly undemocratic about it, simply refuse, and then if they do attempt to take us to court, and the ECHR inevitably rules in Europes favour Britain should simply refuse to pay. if France and Germany can seemingly do it, cherry pick the best bits for themselves and get away with it, well why shouldnt we? and by the way, IDS, best politician we have, he is the only one that has so far consistently stood up for pro British interests and values, the kind of thinking that we need to properly repair this nation.
"Jackie,Glasgow, 1046," that's fine by me, just make sure none of your countrymen cross the border, to seek fame and fortune, in the House of Commons!
France and Germany have always been strongly against Benefits Tourism. . . . . We must stand together and refuse to accept it. . . . . . We already give too much of OUR money away. . . . . Time to fight Dave, . . . The big boys are with us on this.
Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world. - JOHN, Are you talking about MPs here?
Its very simple..let the immigrants home country be responsible for all benefits of their own citizens at their own level as and until the benefit system throughout the EU is standardised. So those moving from country to country will result in only receiving the money they would be receiving at home.
One example. The Kinnocks. Exorbitant expenses so much so that his secretary reported his greed. Result. Kinnock sacked his secretary He is not the only one and there many more. on the fiddle You can see why they don't want to gives us a referendum. I voted UKIP years ago, but the ordinary voter has no idea of whats going on, simply because information about this money sucking undemocratic organisation is surpressed. helped of course by our BBC
I can remember when our politicians told us that we would become the richest nation on the planet (this is before the common market or EU) technology would make work largely redundant, the working man would have an easy life with his lifestyle largely funded by a booming economy, all medication and hospitalisation and education would be free to those that needed it, funded by the state, and as the population was high enough we would keep our borders closed to stop benifit tourists from taking advantage. At that time WW2 was still fresh in our minds, little did we know how our politicians would let us down so badly, first there was a desire to fill the country with foriegners then came the EU, then came the chaos we now have .............
juust think of all the money saved...then you can give it straight to foreign aid.........because you wouldn't see any of it
Unfortunately, if you join a club, you have to obey its rules. You can't be a member and have your own set of rules. If you don't like the rules, then you leave the club. It's as simple as that. I'm not referring to Carlos Tevez by the way in this instance. - Robert, Gorleston, 01/10/2011 ======== Yes you do but you also get a vote as to what happens. As IDS said, these Eurocrats are unelected and unaccountable and we have no power over them.
OK IDS. You've talked the talk, now .........
"Britain - if you read reliable information - is actually better off being a member of the EU. That this European-generated wealth does not reach the pockets of ordinary, decent, folks, is up to the British government to rectify. Minnie, Cheshire"-----------------------------Minnie, please take your own advice and read some reliable information before you pass on goverment propaganda . The actual cost to the UK since we joined this corrupt EU is well over £200 Billion (the full cost is carefully hidden from us). I can never forgive the EU closure of our vital industries (particularly Ted Heath for surrendering our fishing industry to De Gaulle). They are about to put the City of London out of business - our last remaining source of real wealth. Please don't give "Exports to the EU" as an example of a benefit. Most UK exports are recorded as going first to Antwerp or Rotterdam, even if they end up in the U.S.A. our EU exports are therefore far smaller than the 40% quoted nowadays
Play the Brussels idiots at there own game - make payments, but only at the level and under the rules it would be paid in their own country, lets see how quick they are to come here if they're only entitled to the benefits their country pays.
In an ideal world, for the benefit system to work all countries in the EU should have the same amount paid out to claimants. Unfortunately, in the real world the Eastern European countries can't afford it. If the EU is hell bent on enforcing their rules, maybe they should take responsibilty for the payments and the money comes out of their budgets. This would make it fairer for all.
Why does Scotland have to have these rules imposed on it?
This could be a way for us to lower our benefits to the level of Poland's and other East European conpuntries.
The UK is still a member of this odious organisation for what reason? The more I read, the more I see no benefit whatsoever (unless, of course, you are a politician or a millionaire, or both, like Dave).
Take the cost off the EU Budget UK gives each year. More people claim, less budget for the EU. They will reverse this decision within 20 milliseconds of this threat being made.
Independence for Scotland now, shame on the English
One of the reasons we are not going to see the Westminster government pull the UK out of the EU or even hold a referendum on the issue is that the Scottish government would demand Scotland to stay in. It could then demand Westminster give it its independence which of course Westminster doesnt want. So I'm afraid to say that we are all going to be locked into marriages all because the politicians like to play world power games. S*d the people.
I say it most weeks in the Mail and I will say it again nothing will change till Sham Cam and his Lot get a bit of BACK BONE, WEAK WEAK WEAK Government, What did that old advert say "JUST SAY NO" but don't hold your breath.
In the UK Brits are all paying to keep this system going. So we should all refuse to pay in and there will be no money to pay out. We shouldn't even be paying benefits to people just because they have worked here before and if they haven't got a job lined up they shouldn't be living here. On the European side - Scrap the Commission - It is unelected and therefore unaccountable. It is costing us millions of pounds to keep that huge monster with its tentacles everywhere in place. If they won't then give us the vote on getting out of the EU - just as David Cameron promised. We make a huge net loss just to say we are in the EU - why bother?
I've read the EU press release and it says nothing at all about "human rights" - the word "human" simply doesn't appear. It's explicitly about the supposed rights of "EU citizens" as "EU citizens", a legal status created through Major's Maastricht Treaty, not their rights as human beings. And Brussels interference with national social security systems is nothing new - there was already a 1971 regulation in place when Heath took us into the EEC. So Heath signed us to this kind of nonsense, and Major helped it along, and now Duncan Smith is pretending that it's just come out of the blue ... well, I suppose that in a way it has come out the blue, out of mistaken decisions taken by previous Tory governments over a period of forty years.
What will become of the deceptive cohort traitors when their times up?- suggestions now please for the whole day,so they can get a feel when they read up. Who knows,they may start to worry and sit up then.
One could travel round europe collecting benefits on a daily basis, getting paid for doing nothing, just like rumpey and the rest of them.
well said ANDY . THE BLAIR BROADCATING CORPORATION makes me sick compared to what a fine institution it was before the LEFT took over.
I really can't understand how the UK continually gets itself into these situations, because here in Spain you cannot claim any type of benefit unless you have contributed into the Spanish system for a minimum of one year. I can only assume that the UK has allowed the Legal System to bend over backwards to implement ever minor directive that comes out off the EU while the majority of the other countries just nod their heads and say yes, then ignore them. Britain has become more Teutonic than Germany by not only applying every EU missive but going overboard in the interpretation of them.
Unfortunately, if you join a club, you have to obey its rules. You can't be a member and have your own set of rules. If you don't like the rules, then you leave the club. It's as simple as that. I'm not referring to Carlos Tevez by the way in this instance.
There is one sure fire way of controlling the EU and that is cut off it's money supply. All those bloated parasites in Brussels will scream their heads off but to no avail because without funds they will all be out of a job. It is time to get out of the EU as it is in the early stages of rotting from within and the further we get away from it the better it will be.
Why does the DM stop you from red arrowing certain comments? Strange
EU must be laughing at us, seems the rules are always bent to make us British people pay for it! Come on Britain, get out now!!!!
Here's a suggestion. Benefit claimants should only be allowed to claim the same amount as they would be eligible for in their own country, so if say the person would only get £100 a month in their home country, then that would be all they were allowed to claim here. That way the EU could not say that we were not letting them claim, but there would be no monetary incentive for them to stay. Also unless they had paid into the system here for 6 months then the money paid out would be a repayable loan repayable when work is found, and deducted from their wages in the same way tax or student loans are. Umm,.... I think that would make them a little more careful about abusing our hospitality
email your local MP and ask them to push for a referendum! I did. Britain needs to get out of this corrupt, patronising, bureaucratic and dictatorial organisation !
Young men are dieing on foriegn soil defending 'democracy' perhaps we need to make those sacrifices nearer to home..............who are these tinpot, un elected, unaccountable dictators??????????????
They need us more than we need them.. We are just a cash cow to them they just tolerate us and push us as far as they can, these lilly livered Politicians we have in power sit there are let them do it. The only way we will ever get out of the EU is up to the people of this Country to demonstrate so they will have to listen. The only thing these politicians know is people on mass they just do not listen .
Two words for the EU, the second one being, OFF.
Me thinks i will go abroad....for a few months & on return go to benifits office plead poverty & get benifits ! - jane langley, sittingbourne kent UK, 1/10/2011 10:12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few month? I reckon a day trip to France would be enough, and a lot cheaper.
Poland gets a dole of just £110 a month Not true, in Poland we get nothing. Sometimes if you works for year you can get 100 pound for 3 months, thats it. But I think the UK government have right to stop this becouse to many untruthful people want not help but cheat of you
TOM LANCASHIRE.... I dont see why all benefits cannot be paid out by Brussels, with all the Europeans Countries paying equal amounts. Yes I can just see that happening. They will not even let there accounts be looked at.. And the fiddling that would go on is unimaginable. I wouldnt trust Brussels with my money. You can just guess who would be paying the most.
rWe should get out of the EU now. David Cameron needs to listen to the people. He is not listenting. He is more involved in travelling around the world giving other countries our money. I will never vote Conservative again. I have forgotten who got us into this in 1974, but I hope they are suffering because of their decision to join the EU. Also Cameron won't get in next time cos he is basically useless. And that Clegg person too. He has no clue. I call him Clueless Cleggy.
Who are these people in the European Commission that dictate to the UK what our rules and regulations should be? I don't recall voting anyone into this commission, but then again, I did not vote for lib/lab/con either. However, as we are in fact stuck with our coalition lib/cons, surely it is up to those currently in power to represent the wishes of the British People, not pander to the EC and their whims and grandiose ideas of ordering Britain to do as they bid. Cameron, Clegg and the rest of the Commons should refuse to comply with any EU, EC or ECHR dictates, and start looking after their own people. Otherwise the EU and all its hangers on are going to bankrupt us.
This is what you get for voting Lib-Lab-CON folks so.... Stop moaning and use your brain next time you vote,.... Give em a good kick in the ballot box.... British National Party or Ukip, take your pic.
The EU commissioners have turned into a Russian State of it's own. Unelected and accountable to no-one.
Britain should just behave like the Spanish .... ignore every dictate that comes out of the EU!
Unless we are given a referendum on membership of the EU, people will need to use their votes the next chance that they get. Voting Lib/Lab/Con will change nothing, voting UKIP will take us out of the ridiculous and hugely costly (£45 million a day to the UK) experiment called the EU. Until the Government sits up and takes notice of its peoples wishes, we should all get behind UKIP. The only Party that will listen to the people of Britain. JOIN UKIP TODAY, and make your voice heard.
Stuff the EU, they are the opressors of the working people of the UK. I do not want my tax to pay for people who are not from the UK therefore have never contributed to the system. The EU can impose a fine if we don't abide by their rules, don't pay it and get chucked out, result Glorious Freedom.
Stuff the EU, they are the opressors of the working people of the UK. I do not want my tax to pay for people who are not from the UK therefore have never contributed to the system. The EU can impose a fine if we don't abide by their rules, don't pay it and get chucked out, result Glorious Freedom.
I agree with Simple Simon in the hope that the EU will self destruct. It's time our Government stood up for the people that elected it. Stop this EU power grabbing and meddling in our immigration policy. I say shut the doors and stop further economic migration into the UK
Don´t worry folks they are already here!
Me thinks i will go abroad....for a few months & on return go to benifits office plead poverty & get benifits !
Surely CAMERON will do something positive and give us the referendum we are demanding. IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THESE POWER SEEKERS IN BRUSSELS. No country agreed to these tactics when the Common Market was formed, these self elected, self opinionated miscreants must be told most certainly that we the BRITISH people will neither accept nor tolerate their behaviour and if it is war they want they can have it, I for one will stand and defend both my country and my nationality and if CAMEROPN fails to inform the EUROZONE that they have and never will have any jurisdiction over our sovereign land HE must be dismissed without further ado. People of BRITAIN the onus is on us to stand up for our rights and be counted, unless we show that we are not prepared to tolerate these actions by the Brussels Buffoons we will suffer long term, much more than we are now.
We are the joke of Europe, don't the politicians see it????
If the EU can just issue these diktats, then why are we saddled with MEPs and their pay and expenses? I live in Thailand now (anything to get out of the EU) and the richest foreigners here are the Norwegians whose state pensions alone leave me thinking I'm a pauper. They got out, if in fact they ever joined; we didn't. Enough said. Sorry about the word 'we' but I still like to show a bit of solidarity and I do still pay UK tax.
If a national from an EU country comes to Britain and claims 'benefits' why can not Britain simply re-claim the amount from the country of origin ?
David Cameron,you now have the chance to show the British public that WE are in charge of our finances and immigration and not the EU and tell them where to stick their European Union.Give us the referendum vote we were promised and we will be out of this dreadful money draining con.
. . . "It emerged yesterday that Nick Clegg told EC president Jose Manuel Barroso on Thursday that Britain would fight any attempt to force us to pay benefits to workless EU migrants." . . . . . I bet old Jose and his mates all laughed their socks off about this - they're about as likely to take any notice of the LibDims leader as Cameron is!!!
I worked from the age of 16 alongside my studies. I graduated with a 1st and then an MSc but was told that (despite paying into the tax system since 18) that I was not eligible for any help, including jobseekers allowance. Why do immigrants get the benefits I am not? I jumped ship a year ago - best move I ever made.
What a state of affairs when an unelected body threatens to take a democracy to court. There again - what about the referendum we were promised before we elected our government to serve our wishes. As for the bullying EU and their unaccountable court - we should tell them where to shove their rulings about our country. But it would take politicians with integrity and bottle and that's where we have a problem.
I notice the BBC have decided to completely ignore this story. Not a peep. The news last night was headed by interviewing people who are against reintroducing weekly bin collections and the 80mph speed limit.
One has to wonder why, in the face of overwhelming public outcry about the UK remaining in the EU, Cameron and his ilk are wilfully ignoring the weight of public opinion? Why, Mr Cameron, are you ignoring the public who voted for you? Is the so-called elected government of the UK really working for the people of the UK? Is doesn't appear so, and given that just about everything they touch turns to dust, one could say they are singing from another song sheet. Who they really work for remains a mystery, although the public face of this mystery is most likely the banks and multinational corporations. The so-called government are pursuing their own agenda - do they suffer from some psychological abnormality of mind? An abnormality that renders them unable to understand simple things like common sense and empathy? Do they have any understanding of the lives of normal people? Mr Cameron - you need to get us out of the EU, and quickly!
As Sheeple, Essex says, we should ignore the diktats of these people. Other countries do, but gutless Dave obeys every rule they make. They have no way of enforcing these rules, and, if they take us to court, we can delay things indefinitely.
Whilst we have party politics in government, the pigs will always have their snouts in whichever trough they can find, they could'nt run a P--S up in a brewery. Referendum Now.
MAYBE THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF BRITAIN IN THE E.U,. PUT IT TO THE VOTE PEOPLE.LETS SHOW SHOW THEM WHAT WE THINK
Given that it is just the EU and our politicians who want us to remain in the EU, why do we need a referendum? just vote UKIP next time and then we can leave
The reason why Britain appears to have a brilliant benefits system compared to the majority of the rest of the countries in the EU is because the welfare system works (at least worked) right from taxes and NI to benefits, pensions and the NHS. Other countries in EU have poor welfare systems, not because the people are poor but because they avoid paying in. Thus, when my husband was made redundant three years ago, he received a months benefit for every year he had worked for the company and that was it. 8 months salary. Nothing more, no cheaper medical care or dentistry, no, free housing or housing benefit no help with gas and electricity. No benefits for the children. That's why Britain needs to protect itself and her welfare system, starting NOW.
You see the way to deal with EU and other jobsworths and bossy bureaucrats is quite simple, actually - Just say,'no!' If more and more people would stop just being the complaint sheep that these lefties need and want and start getting stroppy with them, then they will have no choice but to back down. Jobsworths and bureaucrats depend upon mass compliance to their often absurd rules and regulations. Just yesterday, where a pavement was partially closed a jobsworth tried to tell me not to cross the road at a certain juncture. I told him that as an adult l was able to look after myself and make my own decisions. The look of astonishment on his face was a picture to behold...
Here's a comprimise, we will give the EU £500m transition compensation and then just walk away from the EU. Leave them to rot in their sticking community and kick all the spongers out of the country.
There are thousand of British who can't get back home because they are too poor. We tried, but were turned back, even though we have paid in years of tax to the UK in years gone by. All of this is not the fault of the EU, but of Britain, wishing to cut out the poor (of any nationality) - thereby naively falling foul of European rules. - Paula Bates, can't get home, 1/10/2011 8:26 I have no sympathy for you Paula. You left because you thought you could have a better life somewhere else (which of course if your right) but because things did not work out as planned you want to come back to the land of gold and honey. You should have ensured that you made contingency arrangements before you left so that you could return if things did not work out as you had anticipated. As to your comments about wishing to cut out the poor - utter rubbish. We are being flooded by nothing but poor people from Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Bulgaria .....need I go on?
It is your european duty to give us money. Whole point of EU is to take money from rich countries like Germans and England and give to poor like Poland. Why be part of EU if not understand that? You vote for Labour party since 1997 which want to give money to everyone, why not poor Polish, you have given it to everyone else.
Now let me remind you all. David Cameron has quite categorically stated there will be no referendum ! As Britains sole Dictator, in the abscence of Blair you must all really get it into your heads, just who is running this country.
GIVE US A VOTE SO THE PEOPLE CAN STOP ALL THIS NONSENSE - REFERENDUM ON THE EU
Firstly why don't they make all the countries in the EU pay the same amount of benefit. So get Poland and any others to put theirs up thus reducing the number coming here claiming and then sending the money home. We are a laughing stock in Europe, come to GB get housing and benefits and travel back and forth between homes. Secondly are these people means tested i mean how can we really know if they have money in secret accounts in their own country. This policy obviously opens the floodgates for fraudulent gangs even people traffickers or eastern europeans getting false passports and claiming multiple times. Benefits are for British people who have paid into the system how on earth can we be expected to give anyone who wants to come here getting our money. We are already starting to see generations of British families who have never worked or paid a penny in taxes, well multiply that by ten at least to get a figure of future payouts. It just won't work.
This is the USE that Cameron wants to see. I've read a report in an economist magazine where it states that the EU is like a time bomb waiting to explode. I hope we will defuse it before it happens, by getting out of this dictatorship a.s.a.p. Where does the EU think we'll have the money to pay for this? Surely they take so much from us & think we are rich. Cameron makes it worse for us by giving more in foreign aid giving the impression to the world that we can afford it.
Come on Cameron! Get us out of this dictatorship or give us the referendum you promised. We want out!!!
Jakub, Lubin, Poland, With great respect, it was the Germans who invaded Poland and precipitated WW2 not the British. Britain fought for 6 long years and suffered much death and destruction to rid you of the German invasion, then you allowed the communists to hold you to ramsome for another 50 years without making much effort to liberate yourselves . Maybe you weren't allowed to know this piece of history so, my friend, the truth is; you owe us, not the other way round. However, being civilised people, we'll make a gift of it if you learn the lesson now.
Back in 1975 the British Public were given a Referendum. I was only 16 and l was too young to vote. I'M NOW 52.... That's millions of people my age and younger who have had no say in this matter!
As an Aussie living in this country, my grandparents are Brits, I would not expect to come here just to receive benefits. As it stands, I have been living and working here for nearly 6 years and paying taxes. The rules for me are, I cannot claim any public funds, fair enough, I am also unable to claim from Australia, as they say once you leave it's up to you and fair enough too. My point being it should be the same for all immigrants who come to the UK. Brussels is ruining your once great country!
Tell them to naff off and with hold all payments, what can the EU do send in troops? I'd go to Brussels and shoot a few of these Euro MP's.
Tell them to go and take a running jump. What's the worst they can do? Throw us all out? And then who will pay for all their fancy offiices and pensions?
Even if we cannot have a referendum on whether to stay in the EU (though why not escapes me) we most certainly CAN have a referendum on this since the EU decision overrules their own law: Article 7(1) of the Free Movement Directive gives EU citizens the right to reside in another member state ONLY if they have “sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State”.
you have to understand the idea is to bring EU country's down to the level of of the worst EU country not bring the worst up. so in effect Europe will be one big poor box within 30 years.
The prime ministers of the other 12 states plus our Dave should have an emmergency meeting regarding the stupid rule from Brussels and write a powerful letter to the idiots who believe they can run our lives as they please. I bet lots of these ideas are coming from the East European EU commisioners, who'd like to get rid of their criminals and reduce the money spend on their benefits.
It will happen, it will take one brave country to say they are leaving, one brave leader, they are all waiting for each other to make the first move, then it will all collapse leaving a building full of bewildered diktats running round like headless chickens. Greece will probably be the first, even the poor countries have been made poorer, but the others, will follow, there is NOTHING about belonging to the EU for the citizens of ANY of the member countries. The brave politicians who get us out will be remembered as heroes and the others, whose careers will be finished, will be remembered as traitors for what they did to their own people!
Yes our benefits are higher but if our costs of living are also much higher than say Poland it balances it out surely. Just looking at the benefits side and not also the cost of living is a very skewed way of approaching this.
It is better to see migrants on benefits than to see them street begging.. - Frank, Dublin, 1/10/2011 9:25.................Even better to see them get on the ferry back to their own country.
why is Britain so selfish?????? - Aslam, London, 30/9/2011 22:17 Don't like it - then you know where the door is!
I never, ever thought I would ever say this but "bring back Maggie". At least she had a pair when it came to dealing with Europe.
David,Cumbria 9:27.................. It's probably two Eastern Europeans looking for job advertisments in the window. It's a pity that so few of our workshy,bone idle lot would even contemplate doing likewise.... OUR lot are a far greater drain on the benefits system than the ones arriving here,at least the migrants TRY and seek out work.
So why is the Government's ePetition for a Referendum still languishing at 33,000 signatures. I don't understand. Someone please explain??? - Group Capt. Hardley-Ffarting, Little Bumpton on the Wold, 1/10/2011 The votes are being fiddled by those in our government in return for jobs in the E.U. no doubt. The government are full of lies and fiddles they are in government for their own ends. NOW GIVE US OUR PROMISED REFERNDUM ON IN OR OUT OF THE E.U. (WITHOUT AND FIDDLES THIS TIME) PLEASE
Can I just say I've read all these comments and agree with about 90% of them but these are worthless if nothing gets done come on D.M. what about a campaign to get everyone in this country to vote out of this EU CLAP TRAP!!!!!
These countries wanted independence so let them got on with it & stop sponging off us!. Otherwise, they shouldn't have broken up the USSR!!
Is anybody ever going to take a government or the European Parliament to court , in a test case, over theft of hard working people's money for political ends ? I guess it would need to be an American court ... they seem better at upholding the laws over there.
@ Carol, UK. Everyone agrees with you. Old people can't afford to heat their homes and good decent people are suffering job losses. It is all dreadful. But this is to do with our government not taking care of them. It's down to Iain Duncan Smith to take c
We did not vote for the EU,trade yes ruled by EU NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One thing I've never understood is why this country has continually just bent over and accepted the garbage the EU throws at us. To Mr Cameron, I ask this: "What could the EU possibly do about it?" Fine you? Don't pay them. Take you to court? Don't show up. Then what are they going to do? Throw us out of the EU? Let's face it, and this is crucial, they're getting so much money out of us, they wouldn't dare. What I'm saying is, though its influence has been eroded massively over the past few decades, this country is still rich and powerful enough to be telling THEM what to do, not the other way around. Our ancestors didn't fight for our prosperity and freedom for a bunch of unelected idiots to dictate our way of life.
Jakub, Lubin, Poland "UK is rich country and should pay benefit for people like my family because we are exploited for a long time by the British" Lol sure we did yet here you are instead of helping your own mighty country!
I simply get confused by all this. Why do nations have to listen to a word that is spoken by an organisation that ultimately has absolutely no power to do anything about a simple 'No' from ANY government that wishes to ignore their demands. This EU has no army - what excatly is it going to do, if we refuse to go along with their agenda. What precisely can it do, if the UK says 'we do not, as a country, recognise the EU or its courts' ? What is this mysterious dark power that hangs over politicians, that causes them to be so reluctant to arrogantly dismiss the EU - as they do so readily with the electorate? There must be some sort of explanation.............. - Dan, Sydney, 30/9/2011 23:57................................. Yes Dan there is ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Be clear, this is not only a British protest, most Europeans are also completely hacked off with the EU and its cavalier ways of imposing itself on all and sundry. My happy hope is that it will soon self-destruct.
Good luck to the claimants............
Forget it - the EU are committed to what they do and secretly every main political party is secretly committed to the same, though some may not say it publically. Its all a sham! CAMERON, YOU EXIST TO SERVE THE PEOPLE - GIVE US THIS REFERENDUM DAMN YOU!!
Time to leave and switch the lights out.
Apart from the debt in the EU, the thing that they seem to be worried about the most is nationalism. This is just the sort of thing that plays into the nationalists hands, and at the moment I don't blame them. Every nation should have the right to look after their own people in the best way possible and it's quite refreshing to hear that other EU nations aren't very happy about this ruling either. I would have thought that the very corrupt commission would have more import things to worry about at the moment, or maybe this is the great beast having it's last roar.
If the European Union is so important to us, how do countries not in it manage to survive? It's high time we asked them!
If the Government allow this to go ahead . ..... you can say 'Good-bye' to them it the next election..... I for one, would not give them my Vote .... and would encourage everyone else to do the same.... if the government doesn't stand up for Britain now.... it as no right to be in government....
NIGEL FARAGE is the only politician with any backbone. Have a look at '' Nigel Farage A True Politation June 2011'' online. He exposes the EU for what it is, inspirational watching. We need to get behind UKIP, if we want to take our Country back.
It is pretty clear that the dictators in Brussels are deliberately trying to ruin us. Time to find a way out of the corrupt mess that is the EU.
I see that Labour, who signed the Lisbon Treaty making this kind of insanity legal, are keeping their lying, deceitful, shameful mouths firmly shut on this matter. Let's have a referendum, like the one on AV, and see just how the British people feel about the EU and the insanity that is foisted on us by unelected and unaccountable Europoliticians.
An ill informed article always generates ill informed comments. Pity this article is on such an important subject.
Why is there a photo of two people looking at a shop window?
Just get us out of the EU Dave...WE WANT A REFERENDUM - YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THIS DECISION...the British public are a powerful lot !!
LOOK!! it really is time to wake up the the fact that these Unelected Euro-bureaucrats are working to their own governments agenda - to Bankrupt and belittle Britain. Think I'm talking rubbish? , , , Then just keep watching instead of acting, , , , , , , ,
STOP VOTING LABOUR ,LIB DEMS AND CONSERVATIVE AND VOTE UKIP AND WHILE YOUR AT IT TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO DO THE SAME !!!!!
It is better to see migrants on benefits than to see them street begging..
How much longer are we going to tolerate this nonsense? We need to stand up for ourselves!
I think this country has enough problems with its OWN benefit scroungers,than to worry about the immigrant claimants. I've got so little pride left in this country nowadays,so much so,that if Britain has got itself into such a hole where we're legally obliged to pay the Eastern Europeans benefits,then good luck to them,they should pick up every penny they're entitled to. WE as Britain,are the mugs,not them................
Can't get head round this. Here in France you get NOTHING if you haven't paid into the system (social charges) for quite some time. So why does Brussels attack the UK and not other member nations?
Old people who cannot afford to heat their homes, vaccine damaged children awaiting proper compensation, good decent people being made homeless because of job losses. No benefits for anyone.. while any British person has to go without. Lets have some backbone and look after our own first.
Duncan Smith warned that the move was just the latest example of ‘unelectable and unaccountable’ European institutions’ desire to grab power from national parliaments.....WELL THAT JUST ABOUT SUMS IT UP. So why is this country still a member of this EU dictatorship????? We live in a democracy Mr. Cameron, so let us vote on an EU referendum before we get so much in debt that we cannot fight the take over. As a tax payer I want MY MONEY spent in Britain for the British people not given out freely to benefit scroungers from europe who end up better off than us.
Urm can we just not ditch the EU please?
I say let the EU carry on with their tyrannical behaviour because theses Eurocrats have not the intelligence to see that they're digging the EU's grave. It's only a matter of time before this dictatorship over steps the mark and I have a good feeling that threshold has nearly been reached. Good riddance to the EU.
That I'm afraid is it. Get out of Europe NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'Call me Dave' should call an immediate general election on the single issue of kow towing to the EU. This would have the added bonus of getting rid of the Lib Dems. If Labour got back in then so be it. UK will get what it deserves. One thing I do not understand? If the main parties say that UK CANNOT leave the EU, how do the UKIP propose to bring this about? - ex manc, cha am thailand, 1/10/2011 8:56.........Because...the main parties do not want to leave EU and so obviously tell you that UK CANNOT leave to shut you up........UKIP know we can leave EU...believe them not the three main parties.........If you are seriously interested then read up on UKIP's website or even email them and ask for details of how we can leave EU..........Don't believe ANYTHING the three main parties tell you........haven't they all proved what liars they are?
I just looked at the "best rated" of these comments. The majority here thinks we will all be better off leaving the EU, but then you all read the DM, whose main interest is their sales figures- therefore the more scandal the better. It is a shame, as most of you readers seem good people. Britain - if you read reliable information - is actually better off being a member of the EU. That this European-generated wealth does not reach the pockets of ordinary, decent, folks, is up to the British government to rectify. Getting out of the EU will rectify nothing.
For every EU scrounger that comes here and does not work just reduce our EU contributions by £40k pa. Don't fight this new proposal just ignore it, revert the terms of our EU membership to that of the old EEC or pull out altogether.
Come on Cameron get us out of this so called "Union" they only want us for our money. Give us your promised referendum.
Some come on here and claim we are financially better off being in the EU. That is not the argument, for me. I am sick of democracy being eroded, more power in the hands of the unelected. Everything must conform, Each nation must be identical. Fill a building the size of a public library on the regulations for a meat filled tube, formerly a sausage. Ho ho, they say pick out the nonsense and ignore the good, the problem becomes the good is hidden deep in amongst mountains of nonsense. It needs outsiders to point out that this is a failing system waiting for the kids to grow up before divorcing - do it now, before it gets nasty.
Your comments:This headline is too long. It should just read REVOLT OVER EU. That tells it as it is orb soon will be.
At last we are seeing some cracks appearing in the Golden Facade of the EU, with a number of countries beginning to show their dislike of the EU's bullying ways. With a bit of luck the whole stinking thing will collapse soon.
When will we come to our senses and get out!
Let's go to war with Brussels. I'm sure our lads would overrun Belgium in an afternoon, back in time for tea and pick up some nice French wine and cheeses on the way home.
No freebeeies until you have worked for at least 6 months and you should be sponsored too. I had to go through that system or get thrown out.
Well give us a chance to vote on europe and you will find that most want to leave it to the europeans, We are as the americians refer to us has a aircraft carrier of europe.If we leave we will be able to limit our imports and just maybe get some business back into the UK and stop this aircraft carrier sinking under the weight of migrants.
"£270 or so he would get if he moved to the UK" ? Pensioners who have paid into the system all their lives can only dream of such riches.
Uk should get out o EU
Someone needs to get us out of the EU and fast, I have never considered myself to be European and hate it when Americans refer to us as European, I am not racist - just proud (or at least I was once) to be British! As for benefits, we have enough trouble with our current population and benefit fraud - again - sorry - but this is my honest opinion!
The EU was good till it allowed all the eastern european countries to join, that meant bankruptcy for the west.
There should be a two tier benefits sysytem. One for nationals of the country set by the government and a second for EU nationals which is set centrally which is the same in all EU countries for non-nationals. That way there would be no advantage for moving for benefits. There should also be a crackdown on benefits here, those on JSA should be made to do volunteer work at least one day a week, gaining more skills or experience and giving the country back something for sustaining them through hard times. There should also be a better system of help for people with children trying to get back into work.
When is someone going to do a thorough audit of the EU? The money they squander is ludicrous, the expenses they claim are horrendous and they have got away with it for years. Why don't they pay the foreigner's benefits if they are so concerned.
WHEN WILL THE POLITICIANS LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE??? WE WANT OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
BBC in its miniscule and simplistic coverage of this serious situation states nothing about other nations being supportive of Britain. I wonder why?
Ultimately I can see it being put to the people for a referendum re membership and it will be a resounding vote for pulling out.At first I was one who was all for membership but now sadly its turned out to be a poorly managed system that just no longer works re wasting money and corruption etc etc LETS GET OUT ASAP.
If we must give the unemployable dregs of the EUSSR 'benefits', let it be on the same terms as they would receive in their country of origin. That would soon put a stop to 'Benefit Tourism'. Or would that give the Kommissars of Brussels a dose of the Vapours as well?
The EU is a toxic Marxist Federation of compliant States and we cannot get out or any sensible vote seeking political party would have tried. Any financially competent organisation would have dumped Greece who will never be able to compete with the likes of Germany who only get 12 months pay per year and where Taxes are actually collected.
It's about time the other member countries, and ours stood up to these idiots. What they really mean, they don't want these people in their back gardent but it's alright for us to have them and they want to make sure of that. It's not only this issue that needs a revolt against their decisions, some of the human right issues make a mockery out of our laws.
The most interesting thing about the EU is that it is only Britain that seems to have such a soft touch anyway. In Germany it is like getting blood from a stone accessing government money if you are not German. As a Brit born and raised I had to prove I had sufficient money to stay in the country (show amount in bank account that would support me for one year) because I am not married to my husband (also British). I pay extortionate health insurance because my decision to be a SAHM in the early days (in UK) left me with insufficient NI contributions to cover government health insurance in Germany. I privately educate the 3 children in an international school because their language skills on arrival (no German)meant they failed the prehistoric school entry exams. In Germany if you choose to home educate you may have your children removed by social services. If there is truly an EU then the same rules should apply everywhere. Only Britain adheres to Eu laws.
@ John Sutcliffe, in Finland, 9:48. If you are going to call me "sadly deluded" - then try to get my address right, else I shall think it is you ! As for what you posted, don't try to tell me that Police Commissioners and Social Security Commissioners hav
'Call me Dave' should call an immediate general election on the single issue of kow towing to the EU. This would have the added bonus of getting rid of the Lib Dems. If Labour got back in then so be it. UK will get what it deserves. One thing I do not understand? If the main parties say that UK CANNOT leave the EU, how do the UKIP propose to bring this about?
Enough is enough, it is time for "peaceful" protest across the Nation. We must be offered a referendum on EU membership and it must be soon. "Cave in Cameron" cannot be allowed to ignore the wishes of the majority whilst secretly planning his political future in the Brussels honeypot. The right of the Tory party must sieze power, and the Eurosceptics must make their voices heard at the Tory Conference this coming week.
@ "Group Captain" 9:42. I can tell you why the e-petition for a referendum on Europe is languishing at 33,000+. It is because most people (not DM readers, who are fed pap) know the figures. The figures show that Britain is much wealthier, thanks to the EU
Revolt? Why call it a revolt when the people of this country have never wanted the EU, never voted for EU membership and have never supported it. There is absolutely no mandate whatsoever to support any of the EU laws, tax demands, rules and regulations or their stupid flag. LEAVE!
Here we go, the tories are pretending to be angry again. Just wait a few days and they'll give in like they did when it came to votes for prisoners. - Steve, UK, 1/10/2011 8:32......................I have to agree Steve........I read about this months ago when it was first proposed, and so the government have had plenty of time to discuss it and make decisions........Why is it only now when we are given just 2 months to implement it is it being drawn to the public's attention?.......Foregone conlusion then......the Master in Brussels has spoken!
will cameron ever stand up for the UK don;t hold your breath,,
In Latvia employees must work 9 months in Latvia before claiming benefits... It's isn't fair against all british society... EU should develope economic in europe to avoid of any crisis.
Victor JKB bradford you sadly deluded person. Those people you mention do not dictate the laws that can govern the entire poulation of Europe. The unelected Commissioners in the EU DO HAVE THAT POWER. OK?
Turkey joins the EU next year..... let's guess where all those millions of Turks will be heading - on day one. Straight for here - Treasure Island.
Another battle Cameron and co will bottle out of, more abject surrender to the scroungers
Why not set EU wide dole money at the level of the lowest? Better still stop paying dole at all, that way you would have full employment within a month!
We are very rapidly approaching a point of no return and it will be game. set, and match to those seeking to destroy England. I spent about an hour last week in a run down section of a local town. Of the several hundred people I walked passed very few were English, and most were not speaking English. This is pure insanity and has to stop.
You Can Only Blame David Cameron & Co (MPs) for being in the EU in the 1st place. Before the Election the Conservatives were against the EU then when in Power now Support the EU thats Betrayal of the English/UK Public. This Bunch of Muppets (a weak government) are as Bad/worse than Labour was.
All this talk of a "Diktat" is ridiculous ! Based on the idea that the European Commissioners are not voted in. Just stop and think for one TINY minute - Police Commissioners in the UK are appointed and not voted in, so are Social Security Commissioners and all kinds of other Commissioners. It is the way of the world - some people are voted in; others are appointed. Stop all this rubbish - DM too, for scandal-mongering and misleading its readers!
I am a 52 year old woman who lives in the north of England. I have been on a casual contract for four years-cannot find anything else. I stayed on at school till 18, went to University for 4 years then qualified as a nurse (R.G.N.). I have a basic teaching qualification, and other professional qualifications. None of it is worth the paper it is written on. I waited till I was married till I had my children-old fashioned I know- and we could afford them aged 29, my husband (NOT PARTNER- CANT STAND THE TERM) was 33. I have no criminal record and have a full clean driving licence. This country is a shameful joke. I watched two young girls about 17 both with small babies in buggies swearing and fighting on Gateshead High Street. We have got enough problems with these louts never any body else. Blair and Brown should be charged with Treason. Mrs Thatcher left them a gold plated economy. Disgusting what they have done to us. STUFF THE EU.
It's time to say farewell to the EU an go it alone.
Of course the UK should always allow a British subject to claim benefits even after a long absence (unless they are gaining income from overseas/ and or own property abroad) but benefits migration / tourism MUST STOP. Not before time this matter is fully discussed and resolved.
So why is the Government's ePetition for a Referendum still languishing at 33,000 signatures. I don't understand. Someone please explain???
If that's want the EU wants, then let the EU pay for it.
All The european countries have to bow down to rules made via Brussels , I cannot see why all people on bennifits should not be paid out via Brussels irrespective of whitch european country they were born in . Doing it this way with a statutary payment ,it would not matter were they lived , wiyh all european countries paying equal amounts into one fund.. Let commonsense prevail.
"So far only Britain has been threatened with court action". __________________________________________________________________Guess why the Commissars are targeting Britain first. It's because we're easy meat. For centuries now, our culture has been a law-abiding one. We believed in obeying our Government, relying on them to pass legislation which would benefit us and lead to a safe and settled existence. In other words, we became a nation based on trust. All that has been destroyed since we placed ourselves in the power of the corrupt and incompetent European Union. And the real tragedy is that Britain's new breed of leaders support and admire the EU and will follow its diktats, no matter how much we are damaged in the process.
Even if you have never joined a political Party before, consider joining UKIP today, and lend your support to the ONLY Party that have pledged to take us OUT of the EU. Its quick and easy online, £20 for a years membership, and the revenue raised will help them field more candidates at the next General Election. The more support they have the better.
You are all posting comments like rats wanting to leave a sinking ship. All in favour of Europe and then against when there is a question of paying out a small - yes it is small in European terms of £1,6b turnover per day! - sum, you all want out! I have been ashamed of Britain for years. It just goes on and on.
Dump the EU; close your borders to free-loaders; and enter into a series of free-trade agreements with your Commonwealth cousins - especially Australia, Canada and New Zealand. We'll welcome you back.
Just been told that I do not qualify for Pension Credits because I am disabled and dying from cancer - Works & Pensions must need the money to compensate some terrost for his Human-Rights being effected... You couldn't make it up.
"Fight it? Why? Just take no notice of it and anything else we don't agree with. What can the EU do? Throw us out? Yeah OK!" - I fear lots of longwinded courtcases coming in that case, worst result being the UK would have to pay anyway. I am glad this is being fought out; if I am not mistaken in Germany you got to apply for full unemployment benefit 3 months before you know you lose your job (as an apprentice or such or if you got notice) and you have to prove you worked and paid taxes for 360 days before minimum. When my work was posted to Berlin from London, my boss made sure our client signed a job contract for us for 2 years so if anything happened at least we were entitled to benefits.
Time to show us Mr Cameron what you are made of. - Annie , Hampshire, 1/10/2011 8:14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't say that it'll stop him having to make an excuse that it's all the EUs fault. As it is, it taxes his braincell having to think his way to making an excuse. - Pete, Lincs, 1/10/2011 8:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So at least one (red arrow), thinks he's going to refuse to do what Europe says. Surely you must have noticed he always does as he's told (unless the British tell him).
Easy solution !! Just send them all to Brussels so that those EU scroungers can pay for them out of their millions in salary !!
A white female friend of mine was born in the UK, but moved to South Africa with her parents when she was about 7 years old. At the age of 27 she moved back here as she was worried about the problems in South Africa etc., At the local Council office she was greeted with lots of pleasantries and informed that they would provide her with accommodation, money, and lots of other benefits. She has a strong South African accent and a South African passport, but ALSO has a British passport. As soon as the bloke from the council saw that she had an English birth certificate, she was told in no uncertain terms, "there's nothing we can do for you!". She spent the next year living in her car!
the EU was supposed to give us strength in unity. It isnt working, this country has never been so poor and is overrun with citizens from less well off countries both within the EU and from outside. We must act now and decisively to stop the rot. My biggest fear is it's far too late.......
Here we go, the tories are pretending to be angry again. Just wait a few days and they'll give in like they did when it came to votes for prisoners.
None of this is the fault of the EU. It is Britain, running the country as if it is a Company. We're in Europe for the profit and then won't take the losses - at everyone's expense, except the banks and the big businesses..
Don't negotiate William just start taking our sovereign rights back starting with repealing the human rights act entirely, & no it doesn't need replacing with a British rights act because the UK managed well for a thousand years using just Runnymead & common sense
At the top of this article is a photo with "UK BORDER" emblazoned. It seems that anyone can pass through Italian borders, through German borders, Belgian borders, Spanish borders and French borders but when they reach the UK it is no longer just a border it is THE DESTINATION and if the UK Government seek to pass them on to France as the next border that will invoke Human Rights and all that palava. WHY? WHY? WHY? If the rest of our buddies in the EU have no responsibility for letting them across their borders why does the UK have to be the last man standing? WHY? because it suits the rest of the EU to DUMP on the UK. CAMERON couldn't give a toss. But well done IDS for speaking.
I lived in Cyprus (An EU member state) for 6 years and can tell you that they do not pay benefits to any foreigners whatsoever, funnily enough they have very few aslyum seekers. Even their own unemployed citizens have to wait 3 months to get benefits and then they can only claim for a maximum of 6 months before it stops. One of the main news features of the Cyprus Mail this morning reports on the EU ordering the UK to be more generous!
I had just turned 18 when the EU vote came in but I said NO to being in it. I thought I was living on an island called Great Britain that had fought AND won two world wars to avoid exactly this scenario. We are struggling with a failing economy, facing cutback after cutback. Our whole way of life is being torn apart simply because this government hasn't got the backbone to say to Brussels enough is enough. We pay billions to another country that tells us what we can and cannot do...how can that be right. That money would help us no end and fund the pensions, Dr's and nurses and other things that we are losing on a daily basis. How can this be right. I wasn't old enough to vote prior to the EU fiasco so I cannot recall how things were....please enlighten me. I cannot think that it was as bad as it is now. Come on Cameron get a pair and get us out of this mess that is Brussels...NOW!!!!!
Time to show us Mr Cameron what you are made of. - Annie , Hampshire, 1/10/2011 8:14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't say that it'll stop him having to make an excuse that it's all the EUs fault. As it is, it taxes his braincell having to think his way to making an excuse.
"Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith warned that the move was just the latest example of ‘unelectable and unaccountable’ European institutions’ desire to grab power from national parliaments." its quiet simple then Iain Duncan Smith next time your at the commission tell them to stop being dictators and let the countires own government run there own country instead.
There are thousand of British who can't get back home because they are too poor. We tried, but were turned back, even though we have paid in years of tax to the UK in years gone by. All of this is not the fault of the EU, but of Britain, wishing to cut out the poor (of any nationality) - thereby naively falling foul of European rules.
Referendum now, and stop this nonsense once and for all.
Time these unelected EU Commission interfering numpties were brought to heel. For far too long they have been encroaching into our sovereign powers, it needs to stop NOW!
Just to remind you all once more who is responsible.......if you voted for any of the Lib Lab Con parties, then YOU ARE!
You don't throw out the milking cow.
Just make a law stating that we will match the highest minimum benefits that any EU country,s pay and just say sorry to all the immigrants who come here for a free handout. Then get to hell out of the EU and make our own laws again including the Human Rights issue as Brussels seem to be a bunch of nut cases who were never elected.
Just wait until Turkey joins the EU - the population of the UK will instantly become 300 million LOL! The trouble is that they allow these Micky Mouse states such as Poland and Romania join the EU.
If you think for just one second about this DIKTAT from the UNELECTED BY ANYBODY EU COMMISSIONERS it says "Hello "end of the line UK" here are 10 million unemployed people from the rest of us please pay them benefits IMMEDIATELY. Sounds mad to me-but clearly not to them.
The money gained for Britain by being a member of the EU is far greater than that lost in benefits. But having said that - gained for who? Not the ordinary person, but the big businesses and the banks. If we get out of the EU, do you really think that things will be better for the ordinary person? It won't - until we vote in a government who takes care of the ordinary voter... Red arrow away - it won't take the truth out of this statement!
Am I missing something here. The EU is 'supposed' to be a democracy, run by elected representatives. So how can it be that we gat dictats coming out that 12 countries are opposed to? It does sort of llook like the EU is actually being run by faceless power crazed bureaucrats, and that all the elected people are in fact just highly paid passengers enjoying the ride with no idea where thy're going, or what's going on in the engine room (or even where the engnie room is.) - Surely not!!!! ----------------------------- Anyone know why the whole lot ups sticks twice a year and moves between Brussels and Strasburg, and why all the dictats come from Brussels?
I hope The EU will hammer Britain so hard that it will start a British spring that even EU Cameron cannot deny if he wants to keep his snout in the trough.
I never voted for this - nor did any other person that I know of. If all our laws are made in Brussels why do we have MPs. I now want out will vote UKIP next time round - this Tory party does not listen to the voters. Murders, Rapists, Criminals are all allowed to stay and benefit from us who do no complain. The silent majority should suddenly wake up...
Could this be the turning point, where the British people FINALLY stand up to the bureaucracy we are forced to adhere to. I'm hoping this country turns: turns against the Clowns running this country.
It's very bad rule if EU support benefit tourists... They must work in the UK for 12 months and then claim their benefits. It's wrong to get off from european union. If it happen economic of the United Kingdom collapse.. Think before saying something..
About time too, I hope this is just the beginning, and to hell with what Clegg thinks or doesn't think we should do concerning the EU. As for Labour, Blair caved in and gave back Thatcher's hard fought for rebate, while Brown scurried off to Portugal to sign away our country without the promised Referendem, coward's the lot of them. Let this be the start of the end.
If the EU were to "standardise" the levels of welfare benefit across the whole of the member countries then this is a problem which just wouldn't exist. This would also act in favour of the UK by making our shores no more attractive to come to for economic migrants and asylum seekers from non EU member countries. The trouble with decisions made by the EU is they see all member states as equal - but with some being more equal than others. In a democracy the EU wouldn't exist.
Just tell them 'we're out.
Time to show us Mr Cameron what you are made of.
This has gone far enough and the powers of the EU courts need to be rolled back especially in regard to cross border benefits. Current ex-pats living in Spain are only paid their UK state pensions as are all other ex-pats from any EU state living in any other EU state. That pension is NOT a benefit but something you have paid in for and rightly so. ALL other benefits that could be paid to a EU citizen from their own country should ONLY be paid IF that citizen is resident in their country of citizenship unlike that woman trying to claim DLA whilst living outside of the UK. There are many UK citizens still officially resident in the UK who are in fact resident in Spain but claiming UK benefits illegally, and some even claim mobility allowance including a car for their disabled children living full time in a UK care home. Surely this is immoral let alone illegal under the rules and Brussels should butt out of sovereign countries benefit rules.
Even the despicable Lib Dems are against this mad cap idea, why, because if they give any hint of supporting their friends in the EU Commission, then the Lib DEms know they would face electrorate wipe out with no MPs at all - John, Leeds, 1/10/2011 8:00... It's all lip service,nothing will be done and the British taxpayer,as usual will pay.
We need to stand up and be counted.....we already give huge amounts of money to charity to help parts of the world who need it. Why on earth should we also have to pay benefits to people who only come here to take advantage of our welfare system. For to long the peoples of various countries have been taking advantage of Europe, and espeically Great Britian for a free lunch. If the present government don't do something about this, they will go the same way of the last government.......for the first time ever, I am seriously considering voting for UKIP.
Fight it? Why? Just take no notice of it and anything else we don't agree with. What can the EU do? Throw us out? Yeah OK!
Okay, fine.........we give them benefits but they get not a penny more than they would get in their own country. If all they get is £110, then this is what we give them, they can have every benefit they are entitled to but at exactly the same rate as they would get in their homeland. This way they will think twice about coming here as the money will in real terms be far less then if they stayed at home. In fact the easiest thing to do is ignore the EU and tell them where to stuff ther dictat. We were a far better nation before we joined the EU.
I'm italian with an english wife, We have a house where we spent at least six months specially in summertime, to hot in Italy, and pay council tax. I think is time the Governament stops paying all those benefits, maybe was ok 50 years ago. I was in England then to learn english, in a book call: -How to be british-: In UK two people make a queue, since then I'm more british then my wife. I often reading "the mail" and see that not only foreigner with 13 childrens live in UK with benefits, but some brits too. I's time to send to hell Bruxells, and cancel the -Universal law-.
The European project started from one single noble premise - that there should never ever be another European war - and specifically that France and Germany should never ever fight again. It was developed and steered by political leaders of the highest achievements (if not personal standards) who were international household names and are now long gone. The widespread goodwill this project gained among ordinary Europeans happened through commonsense, pragmatism and a respect for individual nations' problems and solutions. Now the European project is in tatters - brought to its knees by its faceless politicians, bureaucrats and careerists endlessly issuing dictats to ensure that the project increasingly overrides every national concern. The Union and its toytown currency is in deep mire and its apologists know it. And the more they realise the more they will press for greater integration, greater bureaucracy and greater control over individual Europeans. There has GOT TO BE A REFERENDUM
" What is he doing about it ?". Where is Ffion ??????????? " THE DAMAGE IS DONE ".
We need leave the EU NOW !!! SO WE DONT GO BUST
Please, please, please stop this rot now and get us out of this British hating Euro Union. Our beloved land can take no more. We want our rights back, our homes back, our jobs back and most importantly our lives back. Let those who want their human rights go back to their Country of origin to claim them and not impoverish us by demanding they get them here. This invasion of our beloved homeland has to stop now or we'll be no more.
I swear when I get my degree I'm moving as far away from the UK as possible it's gone completely downhill in the last few years. - Alice, Wonderland, 30/9/2011 22:39 ------------------------------Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world. - JOHN, POMPEY, 30/9/2011 22:43 And people like John are allowed to vote. God help us, and good luck Alice.
When politicians ignore the electorate - and treat them as idiots - they make them angry. Angry people - just become more determined people. So it is with the demand for an EU referendum. Any politician or party that continues to get in the way of what is now - inevitable - will simply be pushed into the pages of history.
The state of a nation can be judged by the way it treats it's less fortunate members, I only hope Daily Mail readers never need to claim benefits.
Internal Server, Manchester - 7.40 - It has been said that all that is needed for a petition to be heard in the House of Commons is 100,000 votes and then it HAS to be heard by law. So I will dream on because if more people like me vote for it, the more chance our voices will be heard. It's the democratic way of doing things instead of rioting!
UK is rich country and should pay benefit for people like my family because we are exploited for a long time by the British
Don't waste time and money on votes and referendums, stop pussy footing around, show some backbone, be bold and get us out now.
So lower the benefits so that it's not worth moving to the UK to claim benefits. Then the scroungers will move out to other EU states that pay more - simples.
Are Brussles forcing ALL the other EU countries to do the same and if not, why not?
If we can somehow link this to banks losing profits, the government will fight it to the death.
Vote UKIP - nuke Strasbourg.
The EU is best for poor people. It makes me happy to read news. My family with me come quickly to UK. You must now pay benefit to us which help us in big way. You have lots of money and can help. After 2 years we return to Poland and live better life
Even the despicable Lib Dems are against this mad cap idea, why, because if they give any hint of supporting their friends in the EU Commission, then the Lib DEms know they would face electrorate wipe out with no MPs at all
Considering we hand over £45 million PER DAY to these overpaid unelected dictators, we should at least be allowed to know the names of the people who are making our lives a misery and obstructing all our efforts to get our country back on track. Name and shame the ENTIRE EU Commission. Who the hell is 'she' to decide over our national social security arrangements? Only a Communist could dream up such a ludicrous arrangement. It's great, isn't it. An EU Commission stacked with unqualified 'lawyers' from Romania, Italy etc who pass laws allowing 'incentives' for those who don't want to work to simply move across to the UK and apply for benefits. How on earth is this going to provide incentive to ANYONE in Europe to want to work? The EU is determined to destroy Europe and is its single greatest enemy and danger. All EU countries must now see the EU for what it truly is - a relentless and all-gorging predator hell bent on destroying our countries, economies and future.
Errr... I'm still waiting for that cast iron guaranteed referendum on EU intergration Mr Cameron and Mr Brown... - Ricky G, Greater Manchester, 30/9/2011 22:10 Read what Cameron actually said." We will hold a referendum on EU membership if the treaty has not been ratified" which is why Brown was so desperate to get it ratified before he did his rat and sinking ship act.
No job, no entry to the country! Why are we even letting people in the country when we have high unemployment? It is time that the UK left the eu as it does nothing for us. It is nothing more than a massive money pit.
Call their bluff. If the UK and the other 11 nations stand firm they will soon back down. I'ts about time some of them at the EU faced the redundancy queue.
Just Government spin. The only thing that will deal with Brussels is revolution, probably of the violent kind.
It's good that we are finally seeing what we have accepted being part of the EU - a silent, stealthy take over of our country's sovereign rights. It's time to pull out now - a free trade market is one thing, but this is something altogether more sinister. Let's stop it before it's too late....
When will our treasonous government finally wake up to realize that all Britain's ills can be traced back to the EU. We joined a free trade association with the promise of cheaper food prices and travel, not to be dominated by unelected parasites in Brussels. Grow some balls Cameron and stick up two fingers to them and let them sue us. Hopefully then when we refuse to pay they will kick us out.
To maintain the right to work, travel and reside in any country throughout the EU, the whole point of having a common market, it is quite correct that benefits should be available. BUT in the same way the pensions of the retired are paid directly from the country of origin, and that reciprocal health care is offered for one or two years through the UK's E111, all benefits costs should be met by the nation of origin, even if administered locally. That would do a great deal to eliminate benefits tourism and would also concentrate the minds of those countries anxious to 'dump' thousands of their citizens on another, to avoid the costs of supporting them themselves.
What is this? Twelve other nations standing by the UK? I never thought I would live to see the day....my heart overflows.........sieze the day UK and tell Brussels to go to hell.
A turn up for the books-not now what he/they envisaged! - Greg, W.Yorkshire, 1/10/2011 7:13. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Has anyone noticed as the clock is ticking away that pretentious mootings from Westminster are increasing simply to appease the electorate without continued damage limitation-similarly come conference times they spew old and worn out repetitive diatribe that only appeals to brain blocked sheeple.
it's siimple .. either you stop messing in our decision making - or we are out! who's going to pay your fat cat salaries the sweeties :)
Politicians both here and in europe aren't worried about the tax payer or their concerns, they are only concerned about how much money they can make whilst the're in power! A power given to them by the voter!!! We need new blood in power, someone who has owned and ran his own small business, someone who has gone to a mainstream school, someone who has mixed with real people on the real streets of the UK Then we will be listened to!
Does anyone really think that Lib/Lab/Con MPs' are unaware that a referendum would produce an overwhelming vote to exit the EU? That is why none of them will sanction a referendum! Regardless of the hue red blue or yellow. In fact they are all yellow, and they think we are all green. Roll on general election time!!!!
"FOR THE SAKE OF ALL UK CITIZENS GIVE US THE REFORENDUM AND GET US THE HELL OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
I have just been forced to return to the Uk after an absence of ten years. So Far I have applied for over 200 jobs..I have had 1 response. I am entitled to zero benefits even though before I left I had paid my dues for over 20 years. If it weren't for family ,Myself and my husband would be homeless and starving on the street. This is how the UK treats one of their own....
Its time to declare war on Brussels.
Cameron is asleep. He is dreaming of taxing White British men and women and then giving the money to other nationals. Is somebody going to wake him up? Vote Ukip because they are the future of Great Britain.
When you - push people aside - call them idiots - and ignore them .... you make them angry. Angry people become more determined - and dangerous. So it is with the - EU referendum - situation. Millions of voters are now hell-bent on getting this EU referendum. They won't be ignored any longer - and for any party that continues to do so - it's political armageddon - and suicide. Your demand for a referendum - has now made it simply inevitable - stay angry - keep pushing... and watch it happen.
Let's withdraw from Europe, can't afford their dictate.
Let's withdraw from Europe, can't afford their dictate.
Here's hoping that the EU throw out the UK for not following its diktat.
Peter, tyne and wear - 7.11 - Please go to HM Government e-Petitions and register your vote for a referendum on their site. I and thousands of others already have, one more bolsters the chance of getting it heard in Parliament. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 1/10/2011 -------------- Dream on.
Peter, tyne and wear - 7.11 - Please go to HM Government e-Petitions and register your vote for a referendum on their site. I and thousands of others already have, one more bolsters the chance of getting it heard in Parliament.
EU GET OUT QOF OUR GARDEN! We live in the UK are are democratic, we don't want a Dictator ie you the EU running OUR Country! GO AWAY NOW!
12 other nations? The Mail's duped me for all these years into believing Britain was the only country that dishes out benefits. Silly me.
I despair, what about our human rights ? Get a backbone Britain call their bluff!
When will the Westminster shower wake up to to the fact that those dangerous clowns in Brussels are hell bent on destroying the UK? - Ray Smith, Nottingham, 30/09/2011 22:48 Our government are fully aware what the EU ARE doing and are willing participants. Look at the actions of our previous governments and you will see a pattern of deliberate cultural and social decay. They are working towards a goal of a de-moralised populous that will do as they are told and would no more think of resisting than a sheep would resist the Shepard. And we are close to that now.
unelectable and unaccountable = Dictatorship so under UN Resolutions I am quite within my rights to seek democracy and expect to UK Military to start Bombing Brussels to stop them attacking Civilians and thus support 'us' the rebels the british people in our fight for Freedom, Democracfy and an end to tyrany.
UKIP here I come. Why are we still paying into the EU when accountants refuse to sign off its books? Would you pay into a company with that reputation?
wake up government to what the nation want.....a referendum!!
As an englishman i have just been to London for the first time, what the hell is that all about, my capital and did not see an anglo saxon - rtb, crewe, 1/10/2011 8:01>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What will the EU Sh** and mass immigration, we are in a mighty mess. My grandfather and others fought in the war for our freedom, he would turn in his grave if he knew what has happened to his country and his "beloved" London now......Shame on this government.
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith (pictured) warned the move was the latest example of 'unelectable and unaccountable' European institutions' desire to grab power from national parliaments. A turn up for the books-not now what he/they envisaged!
now is the time to have a vote... lets get a petition together to raise the question parliment.. or shall we just tell the EU to stick it.. otherwise we will be more bankrupt than greece within a year..we will have to have refugee camps in the south of england to accomadte them as they will all be entitled to extra money hereor are the goverment getting kickbacks or favours from the EU?
it will be the negotiation skills of UK civil servants protecting DM readers taxes that win this. Kindly recall this fact when the next headline story about gold-plated' civil service pensions starts getting you all frothing.
The EU is a joke - shut it down before it takes us all down.
I didn't realise that Cameron was a eunuch.
You can't trust the Tories on Europe! The Conservative Party is run by international bankers who don't care about Britain. What we need is a Euro-sceptic Labour government - a party that actually cares about Britain. The Tories are running this country and its economy into the ground. - Alistair , Menai, Wales, 1/10/2011 2:33 Where the xxxx have you been living the past 13 years? you are talking so much twaddle ,for when did your Nu Liebour do anything good in the past 13 years......they had so much time to get us sorted and out of Europe,but all they managed was to plunder the coffers ,and get us into massive debt ....please take a look at your labour MP,s and the lifestyle they have,with their huge houses and extravagant lifestyles........people like you are blinded by the truth ,and you would still vote liebour if they burned your house down. !rediculous.!
Dole in Poland is a bit under half what it is in the UK, but the cost of living is a bit under a third, so you're financially better off staying in Warsaw.... ........etc etc - John Davies, Newport, Gwent, Wales., 1/10/2011 12:22 Its a simplistic view!!!! What about the other benefits like housing, free education in English in Schools etc etc that are given out?????!!!!
I feel sorry for Britons, but you have no one to blame but Labour Party especially during Tony Blair era. His wife was the one who pushed for Human Rights. This is what you get for being politically correct, you're so afraid to speak up because you don't want to offend anyone, yet, nowadays, the EU is subverting your OWN laws, you've become a payor for all welfare recipients from other European countries against your will, when you can barely fend for yourself. Why not demand from your own government you want a referendum if you want to stay or exit from EU? Your laws has become useless, EU laws supersedes British Law. You've surrendered your sovereignty as a nation to EU without firing a single shot.. TRAGIC!
There is a certain irony in that it appears that most of Western Europe is against these ridiculous rulings handed down by the very body they all set up. Hoisted by their own petard. What exactly is Brussels going to do if the UK, France, Germany et al simply refuse to comply seeing that these countries fund the majority of whatever goes on in Brussels.
I lived through WW2 when I see anything regarding EU I see the offspring of Krupp and IG Farben wreaking their revenge. I dont see Barroso I see Benito. I dont see Merkel I see Grese. Like the Brits The Germans are a decent hard working nation, but like the Brits they are gullible and dont stand a chance against slick reptile politicians.
To Little To Late...........EU REFERENDUM NOW.....................
So what protections are in place to prevent everyone of Greece's 11million population, (and Spain and Italy when they go bust) coming to the UK to take advantage of the generous welfare system? When did the UK taxpayer earned money (and NI contributions) become the property of every EU citizen? We need out, but Mary Syon was right when she said that once you vote to join Europe, (and you will continually be asked to vote until you do), then you will never be allowed to vote again on the subject. Euope today is not the same beast the UK people were asked to join 3 decades ago. We need to be asked NOW if we want to be a part of the dictatorship that Europe has become today. I think I know the answer....
Actually, this is really good news. An alliance of EU countries is obviously going to have more clout than one country speaking alone. I am so, SO sick of faceless EU bureaucrats - who seem to answer to no one - pontificating on what we in Britain should and should not do within our own borders. Power is constantly being devolved away from the people who pay the taxes and towards those who do not have to live with the consequences of their rulings. I am actually pro-Europe in many ways. It is good to have a large, wealthy trading block to counterbalance the huge (and growing) economies of China and India. However, why can we not concentrate on trade links and dispense with the need for bureaucrats who seem to enjoy poking their noses into issues which are more properly - and democratically - dealt with by our elected representatives in Parliament?
With over 80 percent of the British population calling for a vote on Europe one has to wonder why the so called pro democracy media in the UK turn a blind eye.Do our politicians now control the British media.There seems to be no integrity in this industry any more with journalists supporting a non democratic British goverment that refuses to allow 60 million people their democratic right to vote on Europe.The media will only wake up when their freedom of speech is ended by these dictators.Come on Daily Mail,support your readers for once and demand democracy is returned to the UK.
We need a referendum now
No need to mess about wasting money in fighting it - Just leave the EU and problem solved.
One more very good reason among the myriad of other very good reasons why we should have a referendum on coming out of the EU? Oops, sorry I forgot, it's a gravy train for our defunct government leaders like Lord Kinnoch etc among others, is why it will never happen
Whats the bets that the Gov does nothing , just sit's on it's backside and watches while the EU allows all the crims and lowlifes to over run the count................Ooops sorry it's already happened . If the British Gov had a backbone it would get out of the EU today but as ussuall there are too many fat fingers in the pie .
Out, Out Out
- Aslam, London, 1/10/2011 2:17 Guess we're not so selfish that judging by your name, we gave you a home.
"An alliance of European countries is rebelling against EU plans..." ================================================================ No it's not. A couple of politicians are making impassioned speeches (when didn't they?) and afterwards, all that will happen is.... nothing.
Well for once I have to agree with IDS !! It's a precedent !!
Do you really think we have any power to change this diktat..The British Parliament has less power that a Parish Council now. all they have to do is to carry out there instructions from there Masters in brussels. and still they will not allow you a Referendum
Well for once I have to agree with IDS !! It's a precedent !!
People if you read the article you will notice that other european countries are protesting over this,there is now an anti european groundswell in europe,these bureaucrats thankfully are nailing down the lids on there own coffins,Merkels coming up for re election soon the Germans are going to give her the boot and she know s it ,the french are pretty near bankrupt and when greece does default and it will its going to take the french banking system with it, europe has started to implode the money markets know it the credit rating agencies know it,take a look at the dollar it beginning to make gains again because european businesses see it as a safe haven there hedging there bets selling euro s and buying dollars,and when greece does default and merkel holds out her hand for more cash,Holland,France,Italy,Portugal,ect ect are going to tell her to get stuffed,thats if she s still around,the single currency has been the biggest disaster of the 20th century its finished
Here's another ONE cries girl in Poland as she sees on her computer screen an Englishman arriving to live in Poland _ she should try here's another ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND!
What gets me is that the average pensioner gets £109 aweek, even after paying Tax and National Insurance all their life. A foreigner gets 4 or 5 times as much for paying nothing. No wonder this country is in a mess.
I am voting UKIP next time. Just visit YouTube and type in UKIP. The videos you see of their conference in Eastbourne should be enough to say to you to at least give them your vote or a chance next time around.
So the Benefit tourist arrives here, opens a Bank Account, claims benefit and then goes home.He then goes to Sweden, opens a Bank Account.. etc.etc. So who in Brussels LaLaLand is going to keep an overall check on this? The EU Commissioners want authority over us but won't take the responsibility that goes with it! What planet are these Brussels dictators living on?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. TELL THE EU AND THE WHOLE OF EUROPE TO BOG-OFF NOW!!!!! SOMEBODY IN OUR GOVERNMENT GET A BACKBONE, AND TELL EUROPE TO GET STUFFED, WE WILL LOOK AFTER OURSELVES.
An alliance of European countries is rebelling against EU plans, does this count as the first major step to end the corrupt dictatorship called the EU.
The EU should be about trade, and trade only, and the right to WORK across the EU. But... what a BRILLIANT idea for poor countries in the so-called union - complain to the EU that the UK won't give benefits to your unemployed; win the case, then ship all your unemployed to the UK, saving you a fortune. SORTED. Meanwhile genuine disability claimants in the UK are being put under massive pressure that is leading some mentally ill benefit recipients to suicide....
Just tell these continental europeans to F... off! Job done. They are on the same planet as the Liberal party and its not of this world!
Caroline in Leeds. You and others must understand something. All policy diktats from the EU are made by the UNELECTED COMMISSIONERS. They send the policies to the EU Pariament for COMMENT only. If every MEP voted against the policy the COMMISSION CAN STILL enfore the policy. The EU Parliament is just a talking shop it cannot make law. It is not like all other EU Parliaments where democracy makes the laws of the country. THIS IS WHY THE EU IS ROTTEN TO ITS CORE. IT IS A DICTATORSHIP. You are totally correct in regarding the whole EU Parliament as a waste of money and a gravy train for all invived. Another example of dictatorship is the EUROPEAN COURT. Are you aware that Blair and all the other PM's and Presidents signing the original EU Constitution gave the EU COURT primacy over ALL National High Courts. Effectively they signed away the Laws of the Land in their Country which are the result of a democratic process to a bunch of Judges selected by the the EU Commision,
Dole in Poland is a bit under half what it is in the UK, but the cost of living is a bit under a third, so you're financially better off staying in Warsaw, plus low crime, very little street violence, almost no litter and grafitti, public services which work, and what sounds like quite a decent society to live in. Maybe I'll retire there.
"The quiet man is turning up the volume"........yeah and we all know what happened to him a few months later. IDS was a bit of a joke back then. IDS.....in Deep ****.
I have no comment to make on this story, But I did wonder why the DM are no longer accepting stories about the $cientology $chool in the US. I can only assume the $cientologists got their lawyers on the case. If that's true then shame on you DM...you should grow a corporate backbone...
"No taxation without represenation", that is supposed to be the social contract whereby voters pay tax and are in turn represented by whomever they vote into government. But it is obvious now there is no meaningful and honest representation, so why pay tax.Labour were out and out liars and frauds and the current government seem to be little better and even if they have better intentions, their spines are too weak to fight and we don't need spineless cowards in office. In every way possible, the British public should go on a tax strike until the elected leaders being to represent their interests or resign their posts and make way for better people to take their place.
Kick this unelected freakshow into touch and take anything they've put on our statute books,off our statute books.The commision has gone from power mad to barking mad and are now completely delusional.
If we would could get the same benefits in every EU country then fine - but we all know its only this country where the beneftits system is so wide open! Vote for any party to give us an referendum - disregard the Torylies/LibDumbs/LIEbour!!! Well said Ad in OZ!!
Exactly what are the British MEPs elected for. apart from lining theirs and their families pockets? (Think 'Kinnock Clan') Surely these EU Emperors are from the MEPs? Have they no real say in what c**p is put out? These countries who are having to be bailed out - are they still paying their 'membership fees' to be in the EU?
The UK is ruled by the EU and if they say that the UK has to pay these scroungers then that is what will happen and there is nothing the UK government can do about it unless they come out of the EU and that will not happen either, The Uk government is to weak to weak to stand up to their oen country, but I think the day will come when the british tax payer will say enough is enough. I often wonder what the MP's are getting from the EU for them to put up with everything that is thrown at them, it must pay very well for them to sell the country down the drain
Where else in the world would you find a country belonging to an organisation that is ‘unelectable and unaccountable’
The EU... used by date has expired. Time to leave this rotting corpse. We have no option now but to allow parties like UKIP to have a pop at government. They cannot possibly be any worse than LibLabCon.
Just keep pushing and pushing the UK public and see what happens...we will judge all politicians by what the DO rather than what the liblabcon parasites actually SAY. More rhetoric and hot air me thinks
The main issue here is not paying unemployment benefits to EU migrants, it is the paying of unemployment benefits to anyone in the UK who has not contributed NI payments over many years, if the UK government rolled back the "entitlement culture" it has created over the past few decades then no EU migrant would be encouraged to come here, since they, nor anyone else, would not get anything unless they truly deserved the benefit through YEARS of contributions. The UK can no longer afford to pay the "undeserving poor" a pound, let alone 270 pounds a month, so stop doing it now, and both the deficit and unwanted migration will stop.
I would never support getting out of the EU. Our trade agreements are very beneficial as EU countries are our biggest exports. We should never assume that we can live in a bubble and ignore the rest of the world by going at it alone. We are definitely stronger with the rest of Europe at our side. Obviously, some of the things proposed by EU officials are bonkers, but this is no reason to give up on it entirely. The UK should work with other European governments to make the EU agreements work better for us, instead all they seem to do is whine about how mean the big bad people in Brussels are. I refuse to believe that EU officials are so scary that we can't stand up to them? What are they going to do if we refuse to play along? Take us to court? They have no chance. I'm actually surprised that DM has printed this article, which clearly highlights that we DO NOT give benefits to EU immigrants who haven't worked here. They usually imply that we wait for them with a check at the airport.
"WHINE WHINE WHINE... That's all we ever hear when it comes to the EU but most of you will vote LibDem, Labour or Conservative in the next general election allowing the EU to make another 5 years worth of rules. Many more will not vote but still whinge about the stranglehold the EU has on the UK.

It's no use making a 'protest vote' at local elections, it's no use hoping that one of the big players will tame the EU. THE EU IS A SAVAGE BEAST THAT CANNOT BE TAMED, WE ARE ITS PREY - You need to either vote for a party that will put it down, or you must accept the nature of the beast even when it attacks you & your descendants."
british MPs spineless. come to australia, no benefits for 2 years, illegals sent packing. thats how its done, you want to work and live in another country then live by that country's rule. my son goes to school here and there is a giant australian flag at the gate, why? because we're in Australia and its their country, no arguments. I weep for what is happening to my homeland
Neither Cameron nor Clegg will fight this and this is for one reason only, they are both looking to their future as big wigs in the European Parliament where they will earn three times what they do now. Why do you think they bow and scrape to the EU all the time. They don't have to implement these rules, France and Germany don't so why should we. Answer - see above
With the soft rules in the UK it makes it easier for the rest of Europe, as most immigrants will go where the easy money is.
don't even get me started on this 1...they wouldn't print my thoughts anyway.
Take a leaf out of Australia's book...... - Cathy, Liverpool, How would losing the ashes and getting beaten by ireland in the rugby help us? - Steve, Winchester, 1/10/2011 11:10 Click to rate Rating 16Report abuse Steve, Winchester &^%$#*& Brilliant mate, *&%%$#$#*& Brilliant. Thanks for some truly British humour in this terrible story.
The European Commission have lost the run of itself and is turning itself into a dictatorship. We have had enough of people like that, as has most of Europe. I suggest that the people involved in this new curb on our freedoms be FIRED. And that goes for you David Cameron. You started out well but have fallen asleep on the job. PLASTIC BAGS INDEED!. If you are finding the job of PM more difficult than you can undertake then do the right thing then move over for someone who can - BORIS JOHNSON. He will get us of of the European dream mess we are in.
This shows the EU for what it is - ultra-left wing socialist policies. Perhaps it's a good thing they're getting ever-more extreme, as people are surely waking up and realising the EU is a disaster.
I dont trust any of the Liblabcon artists any more. They are looking for a way out of this same box. There is no way out its all pretence they know it the voters know it and Cameron knows it. Its a delusion to give us a hope that will never be given by them. Vote for another party that has the will to get us out ukip.
Not before blo--- time we stood up against the EU, funds only seem to go one way!
Just who exactly are the EU to tell Britain how to run their own government? Overstepping their bounds just a WEE bit now, aren't they?
I thought these comments were not being moderated. I repeat, this is illegal under the EU's own laws: Official Journal of the EU: Article 7 (b). All Union citizens shall have the right of residence on the territory of another Member State for a period of longer than 3 months if they: “Have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence and have comprehensive sickness cover in the host Member State. And, I am not a "Union" citizen. I am a "Member State" citizen, unfortunately, that is to say, a British citizen.
"A source close to Mr Clegg said: ‘Nick thinks.." If he did, he would support calls from the majority of ordinary citizens for a once and for all in-out referendum on our continued membership of the EU. Does he want to retain his seat at the next general election or not?
Stop all of the payments. I have said before that all foreigners should only be able to receive benefits that they would be entitled to in their country of origin. Then we would see just how many of them arrive here.
Someone has to start showing whos the boss in G B , and tell these offshore politicians that G B is not for sale, and put an end to those who are entering the country for fast handouts.
The Soviet European Union is out to break the UK in every way possible. This is just another axe blow to destroy the country. At least with this and the City tax this government might wake up before they are out of business.
bring back thatcher
Why can't EU politicians think through the consequences of things. They probably think this will be good for the citizens but in fact it will destroy welfare. A country can prosper but cutting benefits to the absolute minimum and effectively export their unemployable people to a country that is more generous. The receiving country will be overrun and will respond by slashing benefits - a race to the bottom.
Do it now - right away ! Write to your lazy M.P's and the Prime Minister and all the rest of them. Send them e-mails, it only take a minute or two. Make sure your voice is heard !
Well, its a promising start to have other nations with us For goodness sake don't give in on this one. We should be out of this EU and making our own decisions..
Maybe the EU should instead be ordering Eastern European countries to pay the same benefits as the UK instead of encouraging them to become benefit tourists at our expense. Surely that would be a fairer way of protecting their 'human rights'?
""The EU and Angela Merkel will take the UK down...". David, maybe you should read the article first before you Comment. It says that Germany, including Angela Merkel, is on the side of the UK in this matter." - K-raut, London, 1/10/2011 0:02 Oh come on - Germany wants the UK to join in the bail out more than it already has, the price of support will be to stop saying 'no more' to the bailout fund - then once they have money or at least the 'agreement' the UK will be found 'guilty', Merkel etc will say ' we did what we could' and the EU will 'forget' to impose the same rules on Germany - lets face it it's politiks and Merkel NEEDS the UK to join the bail out as if it stays the way it is, basically German funding, her days in power are numbered and she won't have a cosy EU position to go to.
What we need is a Euro-sceptic Labour government - a party that actually cares about Britain. - Alistair , Menai, Wales, 1/10/2011 4:33 You're having a laugh aren't you Alistair!!!! Remember Labour's last PM, you know....Gordon Brown, who snuck off in the middle of the night and signed us all up to the Lisbon Treaty? Not to mention all the things Blair gave away that Margaret Thatcher negotiated hard for on our behalf. Oh dear, I think a reality check is required.
Guess you don't know much about the British entry into the EU. Try looking up Harold Wilson and George Brown. - Rooinek, Smallville, England., 1/10/2011 ----- Really? Guess you don't know much either, then. Try looking up who was Prime Minister was in office at the time of Britain's entry into the European Economic Community, and which party had the majority in the House of Commons. Harold Wilson and co. are small-time in comparison.
Mr Cameron, Referendum NOW - plain and simple.
As one of the few net contributors to the great EU con, sorry project we already support enough of Europe's poor without paying them benefits when they come to our country.
I'm an expat but i feel myself getting more and more worked up with the EU.I really do feel now that the people need to march on Parliament now to say enough is enough.If i still lived there i'd be at the front of any march to say 'leave the EU now'.Please someone,take the lead and organize this as it's what the people want.....Nigel Farage would do himself wonders in his popularity stakes if he took the lead.Not a great deal of people know too much about him but his genuine passion for the UK and hate of being in the EU is there for all to see on Youtube.LEAVE THIS CORRUPT ORGANISATION NOW
You can't trust the Tories on Europe! The Conservative Party is run by international bankers who don't care about Britain. What we need is a Euro-sceptic Labour government - a party that actually cares about Britain. The Tories are running this country and its economy into the ground.
Britain should never have joined the EU in the first place, The people did not want it then and do not want it now. Let's have a referendum and get the hell out of the EU. NOW
It's very sad to watch you give away your beautiful country to migrants and tyrants from the EU.
The Tories are in their second year of government and how many of their major, general election promises have been implemented? NONE. As a former Tory voter, I don't believe their promises on immigration anymore, so I certainly don't believe their promises on the EU. "Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me."
This is coming from a "Portugrease" guy who fouled up on Greece and has this idea that if Britain will take all Portugal and Greece's out of work people under a threat he will be popular in Portugal and Greece. End of Story really.
THE UK IS A JOKE!!
If no balls U-turn Cameron gave us the promised referendum on the EU, we would be out of it and well on the way to putting the Great back into Britain. Unfortunately Eton does not appear to teach basic common sense or the ability to keep promises.
It will all collapse and screw Britain up. Distance Britain fro their financial mess before it all sinks.
Why should Britain pay for Europe's poor, that's each individual country's responsibility, not Britain's. Methinks it's time to tell the bureaucrats in Brussels to take a hike.
Not too brilliant to give up sovereignty to this "unelected, unaccountable" bully, in the first place. England was at least smart enough not to defer to the Euro. However, generally, you reap what you sow!
Next we'll have the UN telling us to the same for EVERYBODY, as it breaches their 'human rights'! There are no such things as rights, only the rights the people in power ALLOW you, and as far as I'm concerned in you don't pay taxes and work for those people you shouldn't be allowed them!!!
Europe, Europe, Europe - OUT, OUT, OUT! just give us the referendum ...
If UKIP or anyone else were to arrange a get out of the EU march now, I'd be there!
We used to rule the world, as did Spain, as did Italy, France a lil bit and germany brought the worlds to it's knees. Why are we being dictated to my rich old men in Brussels who never have?????????? The Swiss as always wise to keep out of anything going on in the continent and ban minarets and hold on to our money lol!
E.U.,... GO TO HELL
THE TIME IS RIGHT, LET US RISE UP, AND GET OUT OF THE EU & HRA, COME ON DAVE, BE OUR PM......BE OUR LEADER, SHOW US YOU HAVE GOT A "PAIR" AND LET US MAKE BRITAIN...... GREAT AGAIN !!!! STOP THIS LUNACY OF THE EU
Referendum NOW Please...honestly, it will NOT stop Europe trading with us either, so stop peddling that lie, politicians! I want a country with its own traditions and sovereignty to pass on to my kids.
Fantastic! And since the EU is so wise, why does not the EU pay their citizens? and an equal rate for everyone? Right from their massive budget? Half the money spent on the EU nonsensical regulations would make everyone rich.
There you go it does pay to make comments on the DM , They have read them and are panicking to save their over paid jobs.
You shouldn't reap the rewards from the work of others - If you haven't paid in, you can't take out. As for the EU, what is the point of it's existence? Can SOMEONE kick the PM's into gear and tell him to remove us from it. It's too much time, effort and money for nothing in return.
Just remember: it was the Tories that took us into this awful quagmire in the first place .- Alex, Pitcairn, Guess you don't know much about the British entry into the EU. Try looking up Harold Wilson and George Brown.
GET OUT YOU FOOLS.
The EU Directive 2004/38/EU (Freedom of Movement) transposed into UK Law is very clear about the rights of EU Citizens when moving to reside in another EU country. Any EU Citizen can freely move to another EU country, stay and work there for up to 3 months but can't claim any benefits and must be self sufficient. If the EU Citizen want to stay longer then must exercise his/her right under the Directive and apply for a Resident Card, establishing the right of abode and has the same rights as the Nationals of that country. Cannot claim any benefits for minimum of 1 year neither be a burden in the public finances. After a year, can claim contributory benefits because they have paid taxes and NI, and the same rules apply, as for UK citizens! Eg. Can claim JSA which is contributory benefit but not income support or housing benefit. The UKBA site has a list of all the benefits that EU Immigrants can claim.
Who will win? "Only one way find out....." - FIGHTTTTTTTT - Stupid useless crazy EU Rules
EU jackie off
The bully's in the EU are going to have a helluva fight on their hands because we have had enough. Treasure Island must be closed to the benefits tourists NOW!!
As far as The Lisbon Treaty goes, the signing should be declared null and void. The signee was mentally unfit. A document signed by a lunatic cannot have any weight in law. You ask for proof? Clearly anylone who signed away all rights of the country, to unelected people of dubious intelligence and mental capacity, must indeed themselves be insane. There you are Cameron, you have an exit card.
I can't help thinking this is a pre-emptive strike on the part of the EU, so Britain is forced to 'trade' this off the table by agreeing to all sorts of other things the EU wants, like a common fiscal policy in Euroland. Basically it's getting the UK to 'cash in its chips' now to deflect this mad edict, so it gratefully concedes other, more important constitutional changes...
The leadership of Lib/lab/con are all EU enthusiasts and will put into action the EU directives regardless of public outrage. They have been doing that for the past thirty years. I f you cast a vote for any of them then you only have yourselves to blame. The only party to oppose the EU is UKIP and they now have my vote. They have strong excellent leadership with nigel Farage as you will see if you put his name into you tube.
We are Doomed !! An incompetent government , unable to manage Uk yet alone dabble in EU affairs.Just look at the pictures to the right of this column .. We are populated with a nation of Weirdos and wanabes . What has Uk become ? The joke of the world .
-----------------------------Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world.JOHN, POMPEY, 30/9/2011 22:43 ============ No offence mate, but what clue have YOU got? 'uhh, no, I go
If you travel to France which is the second prime mover in this EU law and legislation you will find that unlike the UK jobs worth politicians the French do like the UK and except this EU dictate but there the storey ends .The French do not implement these rules but continue on in traditional fashion,so why do our political servants insist on dotting the I's and crossing the T's, all to the detriment of the English.This in my opinion is pure suppression by our subservient politicians over the majority.When is it going to cease.?
heres an idea... when it goes to european court, just don't turn up what they gonna do?bomb us?
Too Late. Labour did nothing. The Mould is spreading......
Well said, Dan. (Dan, Sydney, 30/9/2011 23:57) Many, if not most of the "ludicrous" proposals we hear about like this, are often "fed" to lowly clerks in large administrative offices, like the European Commission, by "Lawyers/Legal practitioners" The Clerks obediently do their job. I'm going to bore everyone aren't I with this? wickedness, indifference, ignorance, greed and myopia destroy any possibility of a Utopia. It's 'appenin
1) Get out of the EU. 2) If we reallt won't, then surely we should do the same system... if you're from Poland, you get what you would get in Poland?
GOOD! Keep them OUT! They will NEVER leave.
I read in disbelief surely this is not possible, I honestly believe that the EU was designed to destroy Britain no other European country seems to implement EU rules to the same extent as we do. We are so abused and it will be just before time that civil unrest begins to happen here!!
Hysterical, isn't it? Aren't these the same who are imposing "democracy" on the middle east and elsewhere and sacrificing our troops. If we don't get out of the EU as fast as we can, we will lose any sovereignty we may think we have left.
I don't know why you are all so annoyed. Mrs Balls, Yvette Cooper is gonna save us when she takes over from Milleyorchestraband. Why all the fuss? - Yvette will save the day.... With her new northern accent, she will tell the EU where to go...
EVERY WEEK while you're spending: £Millions on the lottery, £Millions on fags, £Millions on beer, wine, spirits, £Millions on the gee-gees, £Millions on private medicine, £Millions on mobile phones. Don't expect them to believe you have no money. How do you think they measure your disposable income???
Interesting. Leave the rest of the EU to it. We want out. We don't want to hear that we made the EU back down on anything. We want out of it. Cancel our membership. Recall our MEPs. Stop the direct debits to Brussels. Tell them to stick their marxism.
I agree with Clive Burghard, Southern England. The politicians do need to be arrested for treason. It's time the British stood up for themselves, said up you, took to the streets in big rallies, stopped saying politely "please and thank you, yes sir no sir" and said "up yours" to the p;oliticians. Go to London, stand outside parliament with your placards, peacefully, and shout "we want out of the EU" until they do it. I've coming back this year, I'll join in!
People of Britain we cash in the countries wealth crown jewels etc we give it to Australia and move there . We leave the the human rights lovers Labour traitors in the mess they created then see how diverse they are. Let them rot in their own s***.
At last , other '' bigger countries'' agree with us? So just say NO? Blow the EU.if France, Germany and Denmark and others agree with us, what is going to happen? Knowing Britain we will cowtail to it!!!!
Do you tax payers think people like cameron and clogg care about you? They are already millionaires, all this politics thing is just a game to them to stop them getting bored. o.a.p. abroad, but still paying taxes to Britain.
No foriegner should get one penny off tax payers money, who have not paid into the system.
T I M E T O L E A V E T H E E U . . . . . BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
Switzerland and Norway are two of the wealthiest countries in the world, and they aren't in the EU, a coincidence?
the BBC are traitors as they support the EU
The people have spoken Mr Cameron. ! What do we have to do to be heared? The anger is getting deeper and even the most mild folk are making their disscust at our situation known. This is ths Last Chance Saloon.. Referendem Now.
The time to leave this mess is long past. Yes to free trade, no to United Soviet Socialist Europe!
@Dan - Sydney I probably couldn't have put it better!!! If the British continue to vote for such inept politicians then they are ALL guilty of incompetence, not just their politicians, and, must therefore take responsibility. BUT, Australia is also going 
@GermanSpy, Germany ex UK, 01/10/2011 No they don't want to know the truth about the Freedom of movement.. I posted the same comments like you probably and nothing has appeared. Scaremongering propaganda and nonsense story.
Time we stuck two fingers at Brussels and left the EU
Who are the EU to launch legal action against a whole country?! What court is going to entertain this farce? And how are they going to enforce a verdict in the EU's favour? What's to stop Britain telling them where to stick it? We must stand firm on issues such as this! The EU has already done irreparable damage to this country and its identity. We shouldn't stand for it any more!
Why doesn't Mr Duncan-Smith tell the EU to get stuffed, straight cucumbers and all that b***sh** its about time these dictats got told where to go - they are quite willing to let all and sundry into this country but when we try to get rid of them all we get is 'you can't do that, they've got human rights' rubbish - unless they've got a certain amount of money and a job to go in to then they don't get into this country - it works in america and australia and many more countries apart from our - someone PLEASE have the balls to stand up to the EU and tell them to GET STUFFED
Cameron, Clegg, & Milliband must stand united on this, and simply refuse point-blank to allow the EU to force these rules on us. Give the EU an ultimatum, that Britain will withdraw from the EU. The EU will soon back down.
I am in my 40s and have never voted on whether we should be part of the EU. I do not understand why this unelected gravy train is making rules for this country over and above people that are elected, the EU is turning into a dictatorship and we should drop it NOW.
The Commission obviously doesn't understand what democracy is!
sink or swim we all stand together. A round of aplause for Dave hip hip dismay.
The rebellion has started as predicted, and about time too.
Just do not pay it & close our borders. The ATM is empty.
The EU Directive 2004/38/EU (Freedom of Movement) transposed into UK Law is very clear about the rights of EU Citizens when moving to reside in another EU country. Any EU Citizen can freely move to another EU country, stay and work there for up to 3 months but can't claim any benefits and must be self sufficient. If the EU Citizen want to stay longer then must exercise his/her right under the Directive and apply for a Resident Card, establishing the right of abode and has the same rights as the Nationals of that country. Cannot claim any benefits for minimum of 1 year neither be a burden in the public finances. After a year, can claim contributory benefits because they have paid taxes and NI, and the same rules apply, as for UK citizens! Eg. Can claim JSA which is contributory benefit but not income support or housing benefit. The UKBA site has a list of all the benefits that EU Immigrants can claim.
Are immigrants coming into the UK taking our jobs, or taking our benefits? Make your mind up Daily Mail!
So here is what you must do: Do not pay your taxes! Not just you - do it by the million. There is absolutely no chance that the Inland Revenue can chase up ~20 million defaulters. So just do it and if they ask why - just tell them. Civil Disodedience was never so simple.
We're either in it or out of it. The trouble is this Government doesn't know whether it is coming or going. The sooner it makes up its mind, the sooner all these problems will be resolved.
Is there ANY point trying to post stuff on here? I just posted about the TRUE nature of EU law on freedom of movement and it has not appeared. Perhaps the DM doesn't want people to realise that this is in essence a non-/nonsense story?! Warmongering?! Look for the hidden ageendas people! Do NOT be fooled!
"The EU and Angela Merkel will take the UK down...". David, maybe you should read the article first before you Comment. It says that Germany, including Angela Merkel, is on the side of the UK in this matter. Germany is a much bigger donor country than the UK, so their people have the same concerns. The problem is that people like you divide the donor countries, while freeloaders are united in asking for the money of others.
@- Clive Burghard, Southern England.........I echo your sentiments exactly young man
The UK cannot afford its own benefits bill. Just get s out of the EU; it needs the wake up call that its policies are ludicrous. The EU has completely lost sight of the original objectives to promote trade and is becoming a banana republic (but minus the bananas); democracy and the interests of its members don't figure.
I simply get confused by all this. Why do nations have to listen to a word that is spoken by an organisation that ultimately has absolutely no power to do anything about a simple 'No' from ANY government that wishes to ignore their demands. This EU has no army - what excatly is it going to do, if we refuse to go along with their agenda. What precisely can it do, if the UK says 'we do not, as a country, recognise the EU or its courts' ? What is this mysterious dark power that hangs over politicians, that causes them to be so reluctant to arrogantly dismiss the EU - as they do so readily with the electorate? There must be some sort of explanation..............
And while this hits the front pages this Government will pass some new law without it being reported anywhere. Remember Gordon Browns' visit to Brussels to sign that treaty! Any EU legislation the Government states they will argue is guaranteed to be a smoke screen for something else. What will it be? A multi billion guarantee to support the Euro? Intake of more immigrants from Italy and France? Who knows, but you can guarantee they will hide something during this convenient news story.
Christ on a bike Dave - if you don't seize this chance to wipe the EU off the map of the UK then you deserve to be kicked out sooner than 2015. Golden opportunity to send the EU back to where it belongs - a commercial trading market between European countries, not the incompetence, wasteful, and illegal outfit it is at the moment.
No-one ever seems to champion the rights of the good ol' British taxpayer. It is our money first and foremost and it's high time this coalition gave us the opportunity to vote in a referendum to leave this shambolic EU experiment. As an island nation, we were duped into political and economic integration for simply voting to join a "common market". Will we get to vote before the entire EU zone reaches a state of total economic collapse and anarchy?
This country do,s not need the backing of 12 eu member states.What it needs is a government that will for delivier what it promised,a referendum on staying or leaving the EU and we all know this coalition or labour are not going to allow that to happen they would rather kiss a** to france and germany the two strongest economies in the eu who got to be that by milking every other member state.i don,t class myself as getting old but i do remember pre the common market the last time this country was ruled by it,s own people not some faceless unelected pen pusher in brussels.
Can we please dis-associate ourselves from Europe and make Great Britain great again?
Why don't we just standardise the welfare system across the European union, therefore there would be no need for migrants moving to other countries to rape their systems.......
europe as a common market , it's original 1973 (?) remit, worked reasonably well, but europe as a political governing entity robs states of right to self govern. now is the time to dismantle the over bloated and power crazy eurocracy.common market worked, but common govt cannot...
There are 650 people in Parliament, who need to be arrested for Treason.
Jusy heard on SY NEWS that Condem are going to bring in HOME TAXES such as capital gains so they can pay for all this mess ,THIS IS TACT as they already are doing a massive recruitment campaign for valuation officers to do the valuations so they can tax you even more SO COINDEMS SOLUTION IS TO CRUCIFY ALL THOSE WHO SAVED ALL THEIR LIVES . Please can someone help u form our weak and nasty spineless hopeless feckless and toothless government that can only kick those in the middle .
As one who lives and works in wonderful Germany where it is still safe to walk the streets at night and you can leavce your bike outside without being sure it won't be there next morning... let me point out the obvious which no-one has bothered to research above : 'Freedom of movement of labour' law within the EU/EEA says VERY VERY VERY clearly that the right to reside in another member state is DEPENDENT on the citizen's ability to pay his own way. It makes NO mention of 'work here for n months and then you're OK to claim benefits for life'. These things are DISCRETIONARY not LAW! Furthermore, it is also clearly enshrined in the same legislation thaf EU citizens can be DEPORTED back to their own country should they not have the wherewithal to support themselves if they've not officially resided for FIVE YEARS in the host/adopted country. Therefore this is a NON-issue/political smokescreen. Wonder what they're REALLY cooking up?!
YOU ARE RIGHT BONNY ARGYLL & BUTE SCOTLAND. IF THEY DONT LIKE YOUR ANSWER THEY DONT PRINT IT, I HAVE SENT TWO MESSAGES AND NEITHER HAVE BEEN PRINTED. I WAS ONLY SAYING THINGS THAT I SEE WRONG WITH ARE SUPPOSED LEADERS. BUT ALAS THE TRUTH HURTS.
If they have other issues with other Countries why is the UK always have to be first I suppose its because we have politicians that have no balls and are a soft touch.The sooner we get out of this madhouse the better.
Typical. Now that other countries in the EU are going to start being affected by this kind of thing (which has been going on in the UK for ages) - NOW the UK starts to fight this kind of thing. What on earth happened to standing up for our rights off our OWN backs, politicians??? Do you always have to wait to follow the flock? I personally will vote for ANY party that actually shows some conviction, some strength, some backbone - some sense of actually standing up for OUR country, instead of always kowtowing to Europe. Why is it that our country seems eternally 'in debate' about so many things that we (you remember 'us, the people'?) see as so abundantly obvious from our daily lives? Are you politicians so entrenched in your political ivory towers and so divorced from reality?
A spokesman for the European Commission said the UK was being targeted first because complaints had been received about the rule here ________________________________________________________________ Of course the lazy so and so's' have complained, they all want something for nothing. It would never stop at just benefits next we would have to house the dregs of Europe, (Oh I think we already do that, don't we). Can they not understand that we don't want them here as the Country just cannot take it anymore. Its bursting at the seems and our social structure cannot take it any more. Why should we work our guts out, pay our taxes so that anyone from Europe or the world can enter Britain and live off state benefits and not contribute a penny into the Country. This proves we need to get out of the wretched EU. It wont be happy until it bleeds Britain dry!!
Speechless, London ----- Jeez, I was going to leave a comment, but after the bashing you gave Jo from the USA, I think I will not bother.
It's outsiders like yourself, poking their noses in our business, our matters and our politics that have caused us to be in this situation. Just for the record, if the UK is going down the toilet, then the US is already in the sewers. How long is it again before you reach your newest debt ceiling? I give it 7 months at the most. - Speechless, London, 30/9/2011 22:37 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Speechless got his name wrong it is brainless, ====Jo USA is absolutely correct in what was written.Speechless (brainless) obviously has no concept of the serious problems this country has. We are on the way to the sewer with smelly bits floating all around us. Our currency is a basket case,it decreases in value daily even against mickey mouse currencies.
We have 650 Traitors in our Parliament, the time has come to DESELECT them ALL, we cannot afford to wait FOUR YEARS !
London is no longer an English city
The E.U actually needs us more than we need it,why doesn't Cameron show some spunk and call its bluff? I forgot, he can't because he has Clegg on board, and its a case of power at whatever cost...
Bit late to worry about the influx of Commies, the worst sadly came at the end of WWII and set up their own organizations here and eventually infiltrated our entire establishment. It is now known as the modern Lib/Lab/Cons and Common Purpose, hence the mess we are in now and their sympathies with the insufferable unelected EU. But enough is enough, we should withdraw from the EU completely, because those EU dictators can not be trusted to negotiate fairly. They know very well that our country would go bankrupt if we had more benefit tourists, flocking to sponge off our fragile economy! The answer is NO and our request is: WE WANT TO WITHDRAW FROM THE EU COMPLETLEY, no half measure will suffice! We need to regain our self governance
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What do you mean if the Commission gets away with it. Whos running our Country. Its not fair and we cannot afford it./ We did not elect these faceless wonders to dictate to us. We do whats in the interest of our Country , and this certainly is not. Other Countries within the Eu do not do this so why should we.
Leave the EU and if you don't vote any other way vote with your money. Before anyone asks what I mean, let me ask how many of you shop at a well known supermarket the one with the loyalty points.Do you look at what you buy, polish tomatoes for example, do we not have tomatoe growers in this country? Meat from the EU we have good farmers here. Think about it, it takes just a second to check the country of origin suport your own and only when there is no alternative suport others.
I swear when I get my degree I'm moving as far away from the UK as possible it's gone completely downhill in the last few years. - Alice, Wonderland, 30/9/2011 22:39 ------------------------------Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world. - JOHN, POMPEY, 30/9/2011 ---------------Alice is probably leaving because she's sick of under-educated idiots like yourself making comments like this. There is no "wonder" left in this land any more.
Benifit should only be paid to froeigeners in this country when it is first obtained from their own government. If their own government does not want to allocate the funds to them then they go without. and the same for brits abroad that would enable anybody to go anywhere and maintain their standard of living that they have worked for and are used to. This actually makes sense yea ?. also the additional benifit is that you would not get the foreigeners here unless they went straight into work as they would not be able to afford to stay here, and that is quite fair and right because no country should be giving away funds from their own taxpayers to scrounging foreigeners regardless of which country you are in..
I have never, ever felt the need to march on Parliament but in the case of leaving the EU I believe that we need to go back to the "French Revolution" or God Forbid Oliver Cromwell & overthrow our Government. Get out of the EU now
Has anyone ever looked into the makeup of the European Commission? I would be curious to know how many of the European Commission members are, for example, from Poland. Given that it is Poland and other Eastern European countries that are set to benefit from this arrangement, I strongly suspect that the vast majority will be of the Commission will originate from there. More broadly, the Polish politicians should be ashamed of themselves for presiding over a country where so many of their citizens are fleeing in their millions to places like the UK to exploit us for our benefits system. Every where I go now in Surrey and London all I hear are Polish speakers yet how many Brits have ever expressed an interest in moving to Poland? I have yet to hear of anyone born here who is contemplating relocating there. Surely the days of our membership of the EU are now well and truly numbered?
Are there any more details of the British woman in Spain, who the European Court instructed U.K to pay her disability benefit, at the moment I believe it is care allowance, not mobility if you move out of U.K.Anyone know ?
Give the people a voice and a choice, democracy please! referendum on the EU would see us out of the abyss.
As per usual - nameless, faceless Euro bureaucrats wielding their power over thousands of people who don't have a say in what is happening to their country. Not to mention our politicians who only ever have their own interests at heart and seem content to play mind games with others' lives.
The EU Commission: unelected foreigners telling us what to do. It's beyond belief this has gone on so long. Who the hell ARE Barroso and Van Rompuy? If they want power they should stand for democratic election before the people.
It's simple we just get out of the eu for good
Its all so useless we are going under and they will come here in their thousands pointless useless politicians that could not organise a childs tea party !! they laugh at us now all these eastern block we are being invaded its like a alien invasion ...we are surrounded ...and to think our brave men fought for this country to keep the enemy out .....
Iain Duncan Smith is one of the only MPs that talks sense and doesn't want to bow to the faceless unelected twits in Brussels.
World War 3 is already under way - and we are being kicked to death by the losers of WW2 because our sellout politicians don't have a single backbone between them. Time for a change .........
It would be just too sensible and easy to say.... you can only claim benefits in your own country? Our immigration levels would drop by 99%
I think the British people should all march and do some thing to make our Country GREAT BRITIAN again so sad. I feel the country belongs to the EU where are the BRITS human rights. Come on David please please do fight for us. We need help we cannot sink anymore.
All the UK has to do is bring their state benefits in like with the former USSR countries, now in the EU. Problems solve ; stops the movement of tourists benefits and helps to ease the National deficit.
Ohhh, a European brawl. Where's the nearest betting office?
OK, IDS, you've said the words, now do the deed.
There should be one and only one resolution at next week's Conservative Party Conference: Give the British electorate a referendum on continued EU membership.
Stop talking nonsense. If you think that UK can survive without the rest of EU than you must be dreaming. Why those migrants taking jobs in UK? The answer is simple- there are not enough hard working and skilled workers in UK. Just look at the education system. Young people ending with no job, no training and not even willing to think about improving their skills.They think that everythinh should be done for them not by them. Wake up. The biggest number of people on benefits are no migrants but British. And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye when you have a log in your own?
The EU is starting off by fining Britain because they know cameron and clegg will roll over and pay it. that way the EU can say to the others well if Britain can pay then you can also. if Britain does get fined it,s our money so demand it,s not paid,then what will the EU do jail all of us ?. get ready for measuring the curtains up at no 10 Mr Farage .
Simple.. just pay them the benefit they would be entitled to in their home countries.
PS And if there are any manby pamby WET liberals out there IT IS NOT EUROPE WE HATE but the EU DICTATORS . I am even buying European wine rather than new world but I detest everything form Cleggs beloved Human Rights Act to all the pointless eco green wash nonsense .
"Take a leaf out of Australia's book...... - Cathy, Liverpool,
How would losing the ashes and getting beaten by ireland in the rugby help us?"
This is the mess that Mr. Major and Mr. Blair and their ideologies have taken us into. When Mr. Heath gave us a referendum on the matter it was a Trading Union, but power lust has grew and grew it like Topsy. they have turned a sound idea into a grotesque circus that would put you off democracy. Hubristic economies that can't keep up and Euro underpinning that's worse than the Financial scandal, a human rights legislation that condones the flouting of legal ordinances in a sovereign state and now opening the flood gates to all sorts of benefits claims on the same legislation. They're not mad - we are. It is high time the worm turned.
Just remember: it was the Tories that took us into this awful quagmire in the first place. Want Britain out of the EU? You have to look elsewhere. Be brave, put your tribal loyalties aside, and make the jump to UKIP.
I don't know about the Arab Spring, but what we need is a British Autumn. Five million strong walking down Whitehall "Out of the EU NOW". No pussyfooting around. Other countries will follow.
I think it is time that European donor countries stand up against freeloaders like Greece. I know for a fact that the citizens of above mentioned countries are sick of taking the responsibilities for those who act irresponsible. We should make clear that beggars can't be choosers.
This is a big test for the UK and the UK law as if it fails then it will prove that the coalition is wrong to deny us a referendum as there is no one I know that agrees that we should pay benefits to anyone that has never paid into the system. I have so many good friends from Eastern Europe and all of them work hard and have contributed in a good way to this country and it is a shame that sometimes they get tarnished with the same brush used for those that do come to just collect benefits. But they also think this is just madness that anyone can come from places where they could also settle but prefer to travel onto England because our benefits system is more generous. The EU needs it wings clipped and I hope this is just the first of many clippings.
The UK government is a spineless joke as Clegg and co all want to follow Kinnock on the EU gravy train and get a £200,000pa pension so all they do is ROLL OVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN . Just been watching on You Tube the EU Parliament and one man Nigel Farage who has the balls to give it to these unelected dictators with both barrels . Have a look if you need cheering up with this pathetic government
"Errr... I'm still waiting for that cast iron guaranteed referendum on EU intergration Mr Cameron and Mr Brown... - Ricky G, Greater Manchester

Ricky, clearly you either cannot or will not read and understand what been posted here 100s of times. There was never a cast iron guarentee on a referendum on EU integration.

What was guaranteed, was a vote on the lisbon treaty if it had not been signed before the Tories came to power. It was signed by the traitor Brown before the election had been called.

Now to the traitor Brown. Yes, labour did promise a referendum on the EU Constitution. But as so many countries did want a constitution, they changed the name to a treaty, so Brown used this to worm his way out of the vote.

The blame for this treaty getting signed here in the UK lies squarely with the Traitor Brown. nobody else."
I feel for you Brits. I would love to immigrate to your country, but only after I've secured a job and my wife has her residency established. I would contribute to your system and not leach from it like so many others. I hope the laws do change and Britain can once again become a strong, single-driving force of the European economy without the dole payments to those looking to sit on their fat a**es all day.
As an englishman i have just been to London for the first time, what the hell is that all about, my capital and did not see an anglo saxon
Brussels want to bankrupt this country and turn us into a third world nation so that they can step in and take total control of the UK. I wouldn't even lose sleep over this diktat. A message should be sent to the utopic cesspool that is Brussels to go forth and multiply and not to bother us with such trivia again. Case closed. If they take us to court and (shock horror) fine us - ignore them. I've said from the outset and I believe it more than ever today - the EU will prove the CATALYST for future conflict in Europe rather than providing stability. The EU is like a cancer. It destroys the soul of its member states - just look at Greece and Ireland. How long before citizens of EU member states rise up and turn on their govts? EVERYONE has had enough of Brussels pathetic money and power grab for their own personal gain - fiddling whilst all around them 'Rome' burns. Flush the gravy train down the toilet where it belongs!
A good magician will get you to focus on one hand while he performs the trick with the other. I really do hope that this government isn't trying to get us to concentrate on this EUROPEAN BENEFITS FIGHT while they find ways to funnel monies to the EUROPEAN BAILOUT FUND. I won't hold my breath, just in case.
Maybe we should stop writing our comments here and send them to our MPs instead so that they get the message loud and clear; WE WANT OUT NOW!
Do what Spain do - you can only take out if you have paid in.
Britain will go down the pan soon and you will do nothing about it, you all shout poor me,poor me. Do like the Greeks do,take to the streets ,demand to be heard , or just comment on this forum.The choice is yours.....Nobody will hear you unless you stamp your feet, Rebel NOW.
There is another option , ha ha . All the countries including UK , join the Euro and all have the same benefits , minimum wages , taxes , employment laws etc , as the least generous country in the EU .Eg Romanian benefits and Greek taxes . the benefits bill would be slashed. immigrants would have no incentive to come to UK manufacturers would have no incentive to leave the UK .
Being in Europe should just be for trade. Anything else shouldn't be tolerated. The Commission and the EU should not have any say in how we in the UK are governed and that includes how we run our benefit system. Nobody from outside the UK should be entitled to benefit here. If you don't pay into it, you don't take out of it
IT SEEMS DEADLY DAVE AND BRAIN DEAD CLEGGY ARE BEING VERY QUIET ABOUT THIS SITUATION.STOP SITTING ON YOUR HANDS,AND GET THIS COUNTRY OUT OF THIS GOD FORSAKEN MESSAND YOU HAVE THE CHEEK TO TALK ABOUT LABOUR. I PERSONALLY WOULDNT PAY EITHER OF YOU OUT IN WASHERS. GIVE US ARE REFERENDUM NOW WHICH WAS PROMISED AT THE LAST ELECTION.
If we stopped paying all benefots to foreigners, and stopped paying subsidies to the EU, the money saved wouls be enough to DOUBLE the state pension. Now - which would you sooner do ?
........... THIS IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT EXACTLY?.....WE ARE ALL LOOKING AT A DOUBLE DIP RECESSION..AND THIS IS GOING TO HELP IN WHAT WAY????? EVEN THE MOST ARDENT FAN OF THE EU MUST BE HAVING SERIOUS DOUBTS....
Politicians making placating meaningless noise to try and 'diffuse' the genuine anger this issue is raising (and will do nothing concrete), or a real recognition that the EU has stepped over line once too often and this has pushed their interferance too far? I think the former, but sincerely hope it is the later.
I, like many others, didn't vote to join a European Union; when a vote was taken it was for the Common Market and 'ease of trade'. There was no way I would have voted for a European Union of Everything. I feel the country was 'conned' then by Edward Heath who, apart from being a panda lover was an ardent European. I don't believe anyone was asked if they wanted the UK's own laws to be superseded by European ones; if laws are to be changed we have been well able over the centuries to change them ourselves, through our own Parliament. And Keith of Yeovil I am not a swivel-eyed looney as you call those who have grave doubts about the EU and the people running it; as for Aslam, London - since when have we ever been selfish? What on earth are you talking about? Definitely time to let the people decide and the sooner the better. If the majority vote to be governed by Brussels then so be it but at least we will have been able to have a say in our future.
MUGS....................We are seen by the rest of the world as a soft touch. The political elite have neither the courage or desire to take any action to stop the world taking advantage of our 'hospitality'. We all need to stop voting for these ineffective liberal minded idealists until they show some political bravery. Quick to act on plastic bags and hold stupid referendums on first past the post voting - Slow to stop immigration and to give us a referendum on the EU. AS THE LAST REFERENDUM ON THE COMMON MARKET/EU WAS IN 1975 -.................................NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 55 HAS EVER HAD THE CHANCE TO VOTE ON EUROPE.
Freeloaders shouldn't be given benefits anywhere in Europea - and that includes Brit expats who expect free health care - and translators - here in Spain. Si quieres aprovechar del sistema, aprende la lengua y paga tu cuota. Oh, and how about UK nationals only getting benefits if they've contributed tax and NI? Fair's fair.
Shall we just revolt? Because I'm exasperated every single day reading stories like this! EU this, Human Rights that...what about someone doing something for those who actually care about the country in which, despite the recent riots etc, I actually love.... Somebody???.... Anybody???...
Why on earth are we still members of this mad house and of the unelected crazy gang who are running it?
I don't mind if we're not in the EU any more.
"European CommissionÂ’s threat to take the UK to court over rules". How did we get into a situation where a group of 27 unelected people in a foreign country can take OUR country to court because our government won't obey them? I don't remember this country being invaded and taken over by a foreign state.
The EU and Angela Merkel will take the UK down with all the rest while we take in all the human detritus that they do not want. If this government fails to stop this outrageous ruling we all need to stand up and march on Parliament to overthrow these useless spineless politicians we have 'looking' after our rights and freedom.
When will the Westminster shower wake up to to the fact that those dangerous clowns in Brussels are hell bent on destroying the UK?
Take a leaf out of Australia's book - they wouldn't stand for this nonsense
Come on then Dave, show us you've got a pair. Tell Europe to shove it for once. - William, Ferndown, Dorset, UK., 30/9/2011 22:12 Let me save you some time there, William. He doesnt have a pair! Now stop wasting time on useless politicans like Cameron, he has already given you his answer to this subject. If you want change then you're gonna need to vote UKIP.
So what are we going to hear at the Conservative Party conference next week? Resolute policy to protect Britain's sovereignty or yet more weasle words, pandering to Europe's political elite and Nick Clegg.
So the EU is trying to make us pay benefits to every Tomaz, Ricardo & Harald who comes here, yet "we were instructed by the European Court to make disability payments to a British citizen, a young woman living in Spain", meaning we're expected to pay Spain's benefits as well! Why did this woman complain about Britain's non-payment & not Spain's, after all she's living there, not here. We should simply tell the EU where to get off. EU law is not all over the place at the moment, it ALWAYS has been & always will be. Our MP's need to go to work on an egg, with a roaring great big lion on it - & bite back, hard.
what human rights should they have in our country. The only people if any who are to get our british taxpayers money through benifits are those who are BRITISH!!! It doesnt infringe their human rights at all, they have no reason to come to our country to work. All they should be aloud to do in our country is to visit not to stay for longer than a specific amount of time. Our goverment is a joke for how much s*** its put the uk in but for the EU to try and get us to axe the one good thing our goverment has got going for them is just plain brainless. I'd love to meet the bright spark who came up with this idea cuz im sure they wont be someone who will be effected by if this goes ahead. Good on the 12 nations who is standing by the UK in this situation. If the UK loses this decision then what do the British population have to go on in respects to trusting the goverment.
I swear when I get my degree I'm moving as far away from the UK as possible it's gone completely downhill in the last few years. - Alice, Wonderland, 30/9/2011 22:39 ------------------------------Please do, it is idiots like you, that have ruined this country, over educated idiots who have no clue about the real world.
So I can move to Spain & claim a free house & free money? No? Just us mugs in the UK then? Joke
i get a little pension which i paid into for 33 years which disqualifies me from benefits,i do a little work here and there to top it up .but one thing i will not do now is get a job and pay tax for all these freeloaders who will be more entitled to my tax then i am, my blood used to boil at these singers or sports stars opting to live in tax havens now iam thinking they may be doing the right thing
We used to go to war when we were threatend with invasion the EU idiots who dreamt this up would do well to remember that.
thousands of people are being dragged kicking and screaming into this trap. Are any of you people who we voted in listening to our cries?
I hope the EU make a stand and force all the countries to toe the line. The more they dictate the better it will be in the end because even our trough like politicians will get the message. I suggest 5 million of us move to Brussels and demand benefits rather like the Jarrow march it can become an EU revolt.
I swear when I get my degree I'm moving as far away from the UK as possible it's gone completely downhill in the last few years.
its about time out we got the lawyers in to help with all the loop holes and get us out of this mess
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. . .as an outsider, I'm seeing the U.K. going down the toilet because of the EU. Isn't there some way to get out of it? Please don't bash me - I have a lot of friends in the U.K. and I see how they struggle. Jo, USA, 30/9/2011 22:10########################################### With all due respect, ss an outsider, your opinions are not wanted or welcome. It's outsiders like yourself, poking their noses in our business, our matters and our politics that have caused us to be in this situation. Just for the record, if the UK is going down the toilet, then the US is already in the sewers. How long is it again before you reach your newest debt ceiling? I give it 7 months at the most.
Great idea, give as many immigrants benefit as that want it... BUT the cost should be financed entirely from the the EU parliament's expense account without any additional increase in its income.
Laws passed without democracy, where did we see that before? Mr Stalin?
Britain must integrate closer into Europe. The sooner we have full political and economic union the better
So the EU will create this system, where say for example, the Polish with no english will come here claim benefits as they would never get a job, and the Brits will go to Poland and claim benefits because no one would hire us as we speak no polish, great, but who is going to pay for all these benefits ???? The EU is a stupid bunch of idiots think they can rule the world, I think even the Germans and French start to see light of how clueless the EU became.
The nerve of the EU never fails to amaze me telling us what to do all the time and just letting anybody coming here being offered a cheque. Can just see Australia doing this. You would get laughed out of any court. Who does this EU think it is as if we have a never ending stream of money for anybody who wants to come here. We have young people who already live here in this country who should not have youth clubs closed and older people losing facilities.Some people on low income have food halls they have to go to. Where does the EU think this money is coming from,"out of the sky". Remember last government left a note saying,"there is no money left" so get real and keep your nose out of our affairs.
Britain, France and Germany alone represent 200 Mio people. Who do these unelected clowns in Brussels think they are to pass laws against the interests of these countries?
Mr Duncan Smith told the Daily Mail: ‘This is out of order. Social security was always considered to be a national responsibility, but now Europe is encroaching on these areas. Is this preparation to get the country OUT OF EU????
The Tories need to understand this, it's their last chance to remain in power, if they don't sort out the EU they will be out of power for years to come.
I hope this is the straw that breaks the camels back !
The EU Plan to bin the UK was on the cards years ago...The UK and other EU relations are abused and used...Have you noticed though that Belgium, Luxemborg and parts of Austria are still untouched? They say "Not in my back yard you can't." but let the open flood gates remain open for say Ireland, Holland, France, Spain and I am sure one or two more which have been crippled...It's time now that the UK takes a stand and says "NO" to anymore abuse...And be proud - hoist up the Union Jack - put England back on the map as well.
The European UNION, the biggest misnomer in human history.
Get the leeches off of us. We need a referendum to enable us to opt out of the EU and their 'do as I say, not as I do dictum' now. Its probably already too late, but we shouldn't just keep accepting this
They must be incredibly bored in Brussels so they seem to be playing drunken games with national laws of sovereign countries. They should stick to what they do best - waisting taxpayers' money on their lush lifestyles and keep their ignorant noses out of everything else. It's getting more ridiculous by day!
So, Britain, tell me again exactly what you've gained from joining the EU? Whatever it is, I sure can't see it.
IF we lived in a DEMOCRACY we would NOT be in the CORRUPT EU nor would we have the CRAZY Human Rights Act, but NON of our Politicians will LET US VOTE on these issues. SO we do NOT live in a DEMOCRACY.
Tell you what, if someone offered me the National Socialist Party now. i think I would take it.
They - (the EU Commission) - too think the UK is a soft touch --- Well it is about time they learnt that is not the case any longer -- Charity should begin at home with our own jobless - No more payments to Foreign Countries either we the British Tax Payers can not afford it!
It's blindingly obvious that poor eu countries citizens will gravitate to richer countries benefit systems ......why wouldn't you ? Don't all sorts of people go to different countries for better wages all the time.
I'm Polish and I've been living here for the last 7 years. Back than when I came here we were all welcome and greeted with positive attitudes. Having seen this I decided to stay, had my chidren here and bought a house. Now after all this time I must see my family confronted with discrimination, bigotery and sometimes pure hate without any reason. No other nation has ever in the history of this country been so biased against like the Poles. And why? Because we expect to be paid less? Because we work to much? Certainly not for claiming jobseeker benefits cause unemployment rate within Polish community is only 3%. It means we all work. Being perfect immigrants we still have to face so much hate for no reason. Maybe if instead of working we should start planting bombs in London or enforce our own culture on Britain. Maybe than we would get more respect. Because -face it - this is our new home now. We have nowhere to return to. Our children want to be part of the UK. If you keep pushing
As far as I can see, no country has said yes, just the EU.
I see the right wing, swivel eyed loonies are up in arms again.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. . .as an outsider, I'm seeing the U.K. going down the toilet because of the EU. - Jo, USA, 30/9/2011 22:10 I wondered what that swirling noise was!
Just another nail in the broken wooded box; let the people of the UK have a democratic voice and cast aside this dictatorship c of unelected mandarins now!
"Shameful diktat: The unelected European Commission, headed by Jose Manuel Barroso, is ordering Britain to start doling out benefits to migrants" >>>> THIS GUY REMINDS ME of one moustachioed man who wanted to play God in the 1930s------ SURE THE DEMANDS are different, but he certainly wants the UK to be his little dog,
Since when did access to benefits become a Hunan right??? Once again a good idea gets twisted and turned into a something for nothing mentality with the wishes of the masses and our democratic law walked all over!
the new E U diktat giving economic migrants the same as brits what a load of bull the economic migrants get priority over brits on housing hospitals tax credits et al please dont listen to people who have not a clue ie politicians ask people on the street who see this everyday it is not the usual oh yeh taken our jobs the politicos are causing the biggest threat to our social fabric you will sow the seeds you reap
The EU's Stalingrad - hopefully!
Mr Cameron, if you are a true leader, you will tell the EU what to do. We pay far more into the EU than we take out, so just tell them BYE BYE, we are leaving !!!
And it is about time, what a pity we don't get 'together' on other important issues, like less power to the EU on 'HOME ISSUES'.
Can we go over to their country and claim benefits straight away? Thought not. I wish we hadn't joined the EU, I really do.
Labour and the Tories both fully support the EU, and they cannot pick and choose on the policies. We need a UKIP government, as they are the only party that have pledged to get us out of the EU.
if the uk ,the germans and the french are against it, whos going to enforce it?these are the only 3 countries that matter in the eu. time for a new eu with members from western europe only!
Mr Cameron, if you are a true leader, you will tell the EU what to do. We pay far more into the EU than we take out, so just tell them BYE BYE, we are leaving !!!
Thats it if you have the means its time to leave this once Great country, i wish someone with balls would stand up and say enough is enough
At last, thank you all the other countries of Europe for your backing. Maybe just maybe they will start to see how power crazy Brussels has become also.
this is an utter disgrace
Dear Mr Cameron, Please listen to your nation. Get us out of this mess.......NOW!!
Can ANYONE name a good thing about the EU??? Serious question here, because I don't know any?!
Get rid of these EU parasites who seeking to destroy our country. The only way is out.
Get us out of the EU now! Seriously, is there a politician in this country willing to do it, because if there is he or she gets my vote. No matter how ridiculous, no matter how destructive, llogical, useless, flawed (see Eurozone if you want an illustration of that!!), no matter how bureaucratic and expensive and wasteful the EU is, we still have the likes of Clegg and others telling us how wonderful it is and how we must be a part of it, (although reading this article it sounds as if he has actually spoken up against Barroso for a change). Who the hell are these people who tell us who we should and shouldn't pay benefits to? What jurisdiction do they have, what gives them the right to dictate how we run our own country? It's the Soviet Union all over again. GET US OUT SOMEONE.
Referendum. Let the people of the grand country decide before it is too late
Bring back auld Maggie, she would soon sort the country out!! She wouldn't cow-tow to these EU loonies !!!
I hope u read this "EU spokesperson"!!!!! We will never give in to this bullying by a bunch of workshy politicians. We will be putting our yuman rights first and not those lazy sponging eu citizens looking to make some easy money. It ends now. Take your rules and regulations and shove them. The welcome mat has been removed and our doors are firmly shut.
There's a very simple solution: Just leave the EU. But that would deprive our rotten self-serving political class of a lucrative gravy train.
why is Britain so selfish??????
tell the EU to ****off !!!
We should not pay benefits for anyone who is not a UK National - why the hell should I pay for someone who has never paid IN to the kitty and doesn't even come from this country? I totally give up with this Country, we are a complete push-over!
Its time to take a chance, an to become an island once more, we can then once again create a fair legal system, society, education system & discipline within schools, benefits system, employment law, taxation, manufacturing, agriculture, human rights based upon the UK ideals. etc. And somehow I think that we'll manage, it may take twenty years or more... "Its certainly at least time to renegotiate our relationship with the E.U. as in its current formula it is fundamentally flawed!"
What about our human rights?!?
E.U. = evil, get us out now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
One this is certain - the people of Europe are standing up against the unelected, unaccountable EU Commission and are uniting in the fight to stop the EU from imposing such farcical 'laws'. Britain must fight to revert the EU to a trading bloc, which we signed up to in 1973. Political union has failed.
Come on then Dave, show us you've got a pair. Tell Europe to shove it for once.
Time to close the flood gates, the countrys on it's knees and still they come. Stop this lunacy now
So, does this mean we can now close the door on benefit tourists, don't make me laugh, it will never happen. We are a island sinking under the weight of these free loaders and it can only get worse. No one will make a stand for the decent and hard working people in this country. I am in despair.
£110 a month dole in Poland and 188EUR/£161.00 Dole a week Plus rent. childcare and health benefits over here in Ireland so no wonder we are swamped with Eastern Europeans over here. I hope Ireland is included in this also , before we end up owing Billions more in debts, on top of the Billions which we already owe !!!! THE EU what a disaster and getting worse by the day !!!
Enough is enough. I think the only chance this country has to survive is if people start voting B.N.P.We need to stop and reverse immigration now.
Close the borders and pull out of the EU and cease all foreign aid. This country would be back on it's feet in no time.
Errr... I'm still waiting for that cast iron guaranteed referendum on EU intergration Mr Cameron and Mr Brown...
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. . .as an outsider, I'm seeing the U.K. going down the toilet because of the EU. Isn't there some way to get out of it? Please don't bash me - I have a lot of friends in the U.K. and I see how they struggle.
You would not print what I truly thought ..... Aaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh
Good. I really hope the gathering of a number of EU countries against this idea is true. Where the heck does the EU think we'd get this extra money from when there is a need to cut existing benefits?? Have they not learnt any lesson with the state that the Euro is in at the moment?? If there was ever a sign that these commissioners are living in some disney-esque world, then this is it.
We have to rid ourselves of the European Commission, who are these overpaid under educated, unelected folls anyway ?.
HEY YOU MINISTERS, have you heard this one? 'JUST SAY NO!'
Let' hope the EU gets its way: the more they pile it on, the sooner it will collapse.
It's about time, enough is enough! Time to listen to the tax paying people!!!
Come on everyone, read the article to the end and pay Nick Clegg his due respect for once?????
What a bunch of crying whimps on this forum, you better post comments to article about Jordan,or sth similar you are good at, what do you know about such a nobel people like Poles the problem is the emigration in total,Poles are just the tiny percent of it,plus they are here legally.
bnp all the way for me the goverment has destroyed england, i use to be so proud to be british, but now im ashamed, england has gone to the dogs get gordan brown out the fat ugly no good mp why dos he do that funy thing with hes mounth
Like rats deserting the sinking ship HMS Britain under its useless captain Brown. - roger, brighton, 26/11/2009 19:03 Passengers manning the lifeboats more like, Roger. Its the well educated and professional people that are leaving. The UK has no solid manufacturing base anymore and as a result no real means to generate income.
theyre only going home for christmas, with the money they've earned and saved here they'll be loaded for christmas presents when they get there thats the only problem i have with them coming here to work, its that they take money from our economy and spend it in their own, because they get more for it there.. in all fairness tho if i could go and work in poland and earn 3 times the amount i earn here for doing the same job id be pretty foolish not to, however you cant because every other country looks after their own 1st.....
good so they should go home british jobs for british ppl
Roz Lancs you are talking rubbish these foreign workers work for a pay an English worker could not live on, so they go on the dole which pays more. So we have more people on the dole costing us who do work more, we have Foreign labour working for less and not paying tax, the only one to gain are those employers who pay low wages they are making even bigger profits. Ask around there work ethic is no better and no worse then British Workers. I bet you are working Roz and do not care about the plight of the unemployed hang your head in shame
Frankly, I don't blame them for leaving. Britain? Eh? British? What does that mean?
Brits who go to live in other countries do not get the financial benefits that they get when they come to live here. bring our system in line with the French etc. and you will soon find that immigrants will stop coming. We are a soft touch.
If I had the money I would leave tomorrow and I guess so would millions of others.
To bert in chester, we were sick of the u.k. have worked all our lives and only live on our pensions(which are paid when you live abroad) we moved to Belgium, wonderfull people and a super place to live and not far from the u.k. come and join us.
roll on elections - BNP your time is coming!!!!!! - ymmot, england, 26/11/2009 21:01 Rating 435 ! This is a sign of the times, taste of more to come! Poor un-United Kingdom.
This country is no longer Great Britain. It is Great Big Dumping Ground for just about anyone. This is no longer OUR country. It is an open house.
to Fact fan, London your comment makes me laugh you wanna count your self lucky spain isnt over run with americans they are normaly the ones who over run everything and you should also count your self lucky that us brits who leave the UK have worked and saved to put money into the govenment of another country... to AW, Surrey i left over a year ago and i dont regret a moment of it in fact i believe i had a lucky escape i am only 29 years old not much of a working life age but atleast i am one of many who never screwed the system like some who come into the UK anyway AW, Surrey have a good future where ever you go.. well i guess i will here the rate of brits leaving will get much higher coz the UK has gone to the dogs and i dont see anyway UK will ever gain its status back any time soon.. to all the ones who complain about foreigners in the UK stop moaning atlest most of them do pay taxes. good luck to all the brits left there as for me im happy over 7k miles away
"People here are open-minded an accepting of others - not something that can be said for the average person commenting on this page. And don't rail against immigrants and threaten to leave the country yourself! No where else wants you anyway...." - Ronnie P, Luxembourg, Luxembourg, 26/11/2009 18:52 Errrr, excuse me for being a bit stupid, but I'm sure that's what you might call contradiction, you're open minded but you don't like Brits?
This country sucks....Poles are leaving and with the money that they have made from us...and they will still be receiving child benefits, cause this country doesnt know who to check on them. All the people on benefits should be make to help out in the communities...instead of them sitting on the back sides waiting for the money to come in....this country is dirty, get them to clean up...all young offenders should also be made to put something back in the community instead of playing on the xbox....please someone answer me one question, why is it WE the people see what is happening to this country and the politians don't? start standing up for ourselves!!!!
Only one party has any intention of sorting this out, and sticking up for the English (lets face it, its the English that are being decimated by immigration). B.N.P. Its the only choice to make if you value your nationality and culture.
People who want to work are going home because the work is drying up, but plenty still arriving to live on the welfare system, they don't want to work they are like bluebottles looking for somewhere to live, everything free and lay their eggs.
High quality cheap Polish workers? I recently had a lot of house renovation done. Some Polish painters quoted the same as a British guy. I employed a Polish electrician who again quoted exactly the same as British sparks. But, I employed him because he promised extra work included. His standard was at best poor. Also, it turned out that he wasn't fully qualified to do the work he got it varified by a Polish friend who didn't even look at it! This is how they work so beware. Could I say that a British worker would be cheaper/better? Maybe not but they probably wouldn't have been more expensive or worse. What we have is a myth about the Polish worker, which we are being sold to justify the large number of foreign labour here. However in unskilled it's different; cleaners, childminders, shop assistants' wages have been driven down my mass immigration. So the wealthy businessman benefits whilst poor workers suffer.
The ones who come here to work, go home when the work stops. The ones that don't come here to work, stay! The used to be a term calld the 'brain drain', for PC reasons it's not used any more. It's means that skilled people leave, and unskilled people come in. So when politicians talk about 'net' figues, it just means as a society we are weaker.
To Dave Burt off Chester - GO - I did 7 years ago aged 69 and am now living the best years of my life !
Quote---Some 427,000 people left the UK, up from 341,000 in 2007. They included 172,000 Britons starting a new life in countries such as Australia, Spain and France.--- Oh that this old man was young again. Too late so I'll turn out the lights.
The Brits who leave for Australia have to have the necessary points to get in, those moving to France and Spain have to have the necessary finance to live there, no benefits, free housing etc. The majority have worked all their lives, bought their own homes and due to being so disillusioned with the state of their beloved England have sold up and relocated A lot of them are struggling to live in their UK pensions which are almost the lowest in Europe but would they come back - no England is not as they remember it, every town has been taken over by immigrants be they Poles, Turks, Somalis. The immigrants they remember fondly are those who arrived during and after the war all of whom worked hard and paid their way they were like the old Brits too proud to ask for benefits.
Let's make it a one way system for 5 years. No one allowed in in If you leave, you stay out...
History will record Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as the pariahs who brought about the demise of a once Great Britain. But the ones really to blame are the people who put them in power, labour voters. When will you ever learn.
It's only when I return to visit do I realise what a dreadful place Britain has become. Brown and Blair have destroyed our nation and should hang their heads in shame.Let the records show as such.
Are we to believe these figuers Whether they refer to - "IN OR OUT"
Previous and current governments have failed you. Handouts are too easy to come by for lazy workshy Brits and have opened the door for foreigners to come in, take the jobs and the wages that you didnt want because it was made more beneficial for those who dont want to work to sit at home and collect the handouts with no effort required. Can you really blame the Poles? I don't think so. Expats all over the world emmigrate to make a better living for themselves then either go home or onto somewhere else, so nothing different there. Oh apart from the fact that it is easier to blame the foreigners than it is to blame the political do-gooders that gift the money to lazy scroungers, and the lazy scroungers who cannot receive it quick enough. Slash benefits and this will a) slash economic migrants coming in and b) get lazy UK back into work. Benefits were meant to be a short term help to the temporarily unemployed not a complete way of life for parasites.
Yes...the Brits are leaving the UK... they're also taking their 'wealth' with them. The immigrants arriving will hardly be propping up the economy...!
When will it stop. This little island called Great Britain is already swamped with immigrants.We do not have enough housing, our hospitals are bursting at the seams and our doctors surgeries are struggling to cope. The British way of life is dead. Our schools cannot even have christian nativity plays at christmas. I am 68 and I predict that in the future there will be big trouble in this country when the British people wake up to the realisation that the British way of life and christianity is dead in this country. It won't be in my time, but it is coming. You can wear a burkha in a bank but not a crash helmet, etc. What a farce. At least France had the guts to ban them. No wonder the BNP is gaining popularity in this country. Why do we have to educate overseas students the biggest source of entry for illegal immigrants.
Quote. Fact fan in London..... I totally agree with your comments. We have Polish and Portugese labourers working in the fields doing work that none of the British locals are interested in. The work is hard and the pay is low and we should be grateful to these people for wanting to earn a pittance and work like slaves. I'm sorry to see them go. They have a real work ethic and have the motivation that is an example to us all. Why should people work for a pittance? A fair days work for a fair days pay. Would you feel the same way if your wages were brought down o the minimum wage??
Well what can one say !! I have had many conversations with family and friends and it seems to me that we are all sing from the same humn sheet ! that is to say Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and the rest of there labour cronies have destroyed this country as well as pushing the self destruct button as well. My father would be turing in his grave right now with what has happened to the United Kingdom. I will say one thing this would not be happening in many other E U countries as they have got the spine to say NO, sadly the labour party cant say NO ! As they say this is only history repeating itself from the 1960's when Harold Wilson was in power !! What a mess this country is in, at least WE the public can get rid of this government in 2010 and start to get things on the right road and stabalised, however its going to take years to get it right !!!! I am noe looking forward to my retirement in a few years time in a warmer climate away from Tony Blair and Gordon Brown..Fantastic
BNP!!!
Perhaps if Britain was a sane place to live in with decent health care ,education and policing, without the PC brigade and Health and safety lunatics, and where you were not taxed into oblivion by corrupt politicians. not so many English would want to leave.
When calculating the total population of the UK, it is extremely important to appreciate that the several millions who have 'left', are or will be, dependant on UK-funded pensions, both state and employment ones, and other benefits such as winter fuel allowances. We do not simply disappear from the figures. With a further 172,000 leaving this year when times are so difficult financially and the eurozone no longer cheap, heaven knows what the total will eventually be. So when we read that the UK will have a population of 70 million, the reality by then will be 75 million who are depending on the UK economy in one way or another.
I worked in a jobcentre for 5 years and as a result of what I experienced there I moved to Cyprus. I didn't want my kids growing up in the UK. I bought all my money here, bought a house, pay medical insurance, pay for private school and I work, I don't scrounge or leach off the Cypriot people, I haven't taken a penny, quite the reverse. I had to prove that I had the means to survive and a certain amount of money in my bank account before they would let me have an alien card. Why can't the UK do this? We're all in the EU aren't we, why aren't the rules the same?
We are four of the said 172,000 that left the shores for Down Under during that period. Obtaining the visa was a costly procedure, we endured months of filling in forms, medicals and verification of qualifications - Both my husband and I were lucky in the fact that we had skills (nurses) that meant we were eligible to apply for residency , skills that the British tax payer had helped us obtain. We became disillusioned by the NHS - the health system that does not care! It cannot care for its own let alone the thousands who arrive almost daily. Schools that could not cope with the influx and not just in numbers but in admissions where English was or is not a first language. GP's surgerys - where when trying to obtain an appointment - "three weeks on Friday" was a commonly used phrase. Our chldren are children here without pressure, enjoying the sort of childhood that my husband and I did, playing outside barefooted without fear of injury and in relative safety! WAKE UP BRITAIN
Comedian Rich Litle once said - Thats what I like about you Brits, when something really upsets you, you pace up and down muttering and then you explode into action saying - THAT'S IT - I'M GOING TO WRITE A LETTER! And that my Dear Fellow Brits is precisely why we are trampled on by all and sundry. It is time to cease all this armchair outrage and time to stand up and be recognised, Failure to do so will render us the underdog forever.
i have read alot of posts on this site and find them a little funny typical british actually (ho by the way yes i allso are british) i see you all are cribing now but who but this goverment in power of this country in the first place ??? was it not us british or are i missing something ? thankfully i did not help to put this goverment into power and i really do not care who gets in to power next time as i saw the boat was sinking and i left the country to sink on its own if you have any brain cells i would allso consider moving to another country ask your self this question what do you have to look forward to living in the uk as a proper british born person ? if you cannot think of a reason may be i can help you think of some next year you will pay more tax thats for sure running your car will allso go up your council tax will allso go up this is to pay for all the foriners that move to britain good luck to all of you this is why i left england i have a wonderful life now
We should choose right person to become Prime Minister next election!
The gates to Britain should be closed and a sign put up saying"No Entry".We can't take anymore, we are too full. - sandra page, chesterfield england, 26/11/2009 17:33 Waint until the NHS babies come along and see how crowded we will then become. Its time we manually begin to ship them out and back where they came from or else civil war will be looming on the horizon.
Let's provide "an annual limit" for students. I am Bachelor degree holder in Engineering, but I will continue my study in Germany, tough in English. Sounds ridiculous like Britain immigration law.
I left five years ago and would not go back. I am regularly appalled by what I read in the Mail online: People being kicked to death outside their own homes by some of the many drunken young thugs who are in every large city. A petty police force who prosecute the public and not the villains. Judges who are only fit for a lunatic asylum. Third world hospitals where people go in with minor complaints and are killed there. The motorist like the tax payer hammered again and again. And another 600,000 immigrants this year, all with their hands held out for tax payer's hard earned money which the politicians gladly give them. I would like to believe that the Conservatives would make a difference but find it doubtful.
I am one of the many UK coppers who left the sinking ship for a new life for my wife and kids in Australia. I still miss the UK. After all, it was my home for over 40 years. But in truth what I really miss is the UK of 15 years ago, which thanks to years of mass immigration on an unprecedented scale, bears absolutely no relation to the one I used to love coming back to after a good yearly foreign holiday. Coming back through Heathrow was a sight to see on a recent trip back, that's all I say. And before anyone has the temerity to brand me right wing, or the gall to use the racist card, I state that I came from eastern European immigrant grandparents on both sides, who arrived after the second world war from Poland and Russia, worked hard and assimilated. The word 'benefits' and scrounging came with this latest shambles called new labour. Sadly, what the UK has in abundance now are political migrants with no skills base, no funds, plenty of kids and who actually quite despise us.
Lets just hope the population never gets to 70million, I'm glad the poles are leaving, they are nothing but cheap labour taking British jobs from British workers. Once the next election is here it will be BNP all the way for me!!!!!
Are some of the people complaining about Blair and Brown some of the people who voted for them ? If they are they only have themselves to blame and people will still vote for labout in droves at the next election. Lemmings !!
If it were possible I would be one of those leaving too! I still might somewhere beyond the EU. The EU, Nu labour, Tony Bliar and Gordon Brown have destroyed this country. If you have a points based system it has to include those from the EU, all that has been happening is the UK has been swamped by the dross from Eastern Europe and that has been in part reponsible for the destruction of the UK. The rest is down to Brown and Bliar
Why we are leaving: What we are in top 3 of in the advanced nations of Europe. 1.Unhealthiest 2.Fattest 3.Most litter 4.Most vandalised 5.Most fly-tipping 6.Most binge-drinkers 7.most congested roads 8.Least respect to the old people. 9.our young people ranked so low (24 out of 27) in a recent survey into well-being and happiness in EU countries. April 2009 10.Most school leavers unable to read to a satisfactory level 11.Most spied-upon 12.Most bugs-ridden hospitals (at the moment) 13.Most feckless 14.Worst transport infrastructure 15.Most dog mess 16.Most street bookmakers 17.Most drugs available 18.Take least exercise 19.Most malnourished people. ie,eaters of poor, junk food 20.Worst trauma treatments 21.Worst child drug abuse 22.Most sexual diseases 23.3rd worst HIV cases 24.Worst Basic Pension 25.Most Shoplifting incidents 26.Most fast food 27.Worst literacy standards for
well lets be honest even rats leave a sinking ship. would the last to leave please turn out the lights.
If I could find the money I would emigrate like a shot. I am raising my grandson and despair for his future. Time to put a lid on immigration, there are far too many, not enough jobs, not enough housing, if there is to be any future for our youngsters then it is time to close all borders.
Normal Brits are very happy to see any other nationality working hard within Britain, Polish or otherwise, but we dont need useless spongers. However our Gov is very soft handing out benifits, free medical assistance etc,we also have many lazy, non-productive skiving Brits ! draining the country of limited resources. Britain has lost is identity and is looked apon as a soft -touch. The British Isles are geographically close to Scandanavia yet we cannot come close to their high standards, why ? Long term bad and spineless Governments and Brits not kicking up a row and complaining enough.
Unfortunately the British Government never learn a lesson with Immigrants. I work in Saudi Arabia where workers from many countries are used, however you cannot 'immigrate' you are there on a pre-invited work visa by a sponsor, this means that you cannot come to SA unless you have a skill that is required and vetted by Saudi officials,and once the specific skill is not required you are given an exit only visa and you must leave the country. To difficult for the UK Government eh? UK middle class get no assistance from the Government, and are taxed to death no wonder so many skilled Brits are leaving the UK, my wife and i both skilled and in full time employement will also join the long list of people leaving the UK there are so many more countries now that can give me and my family a better standard of living. Britian will soon be an Island of semi-skilled immigrants or unemployed. Shame on the Goverments for destroying such a once proud and strong Nation.
I am so glad to see that all europian people leaving britan when the Honey pot dried out. Even Many Brits abandon the country for better life, but end of the day the none EU people who always stick with britan in thin and thick, they have hope that they can built the britan in to old glory Thats what we call gratitude the big problem here is the brit doesnt have patriotism as always they like to migrate in to any where in the world than builting own country ( easy Life)
The real problem here is lazy brits dont want to work even in this recession foreigners finding lots of jobs in UK. Blame th Tony Blare for the problem he made lots of lazy benefit gulping Brits at the expence and hard work of foreigners. Majority of the brit nnever work to support our country but try to bleed the benefit system. What is the part for globalisation for breaking up our economy. In close look US is the biggest challenger of our product. they destroy our Film, music, fashion, retail and banking industries. Dont forget the giant chain stores who destroy british town and independant retailers and acumulate profit in to few hands ratherthan wide range of people. So please dont blame foreigners for our failure they came and boost our economy when we needed, dont forget end of 1997 britan was on the brink of collapse but Tony Blairs intervention help us to survive so far.
Labour at every opportunity like to crow about the national minimum wage. What they dont mention is that it was only affordable by letting hordes of cheap labour into the country with all the problems that is bringing and will bring in the future.
Apparently their are 1 million young Britons that are to bone idle to work. When did this huge shift in the Britsh work ethic happen. Stop condemning our young they are no different than past generations. Perhaps if the bums that are paying bum wages to people that are prepared to be treated as slaves changed their grasping attitudes their wouldnt be 1million young Britons out of work. And who are the biggest culprits. The grabbing grasping every little helps supermarkets. By little they mean little wage bill. They are even trying to sack the till girls. By skills we dont posses can someone define this please?
Wow - when is this nonsense going to stop - at the moment kids in London cant get a primary school place, our NHS is going down the swanee, the roads in the South East are choked, etc etc etc. We need at the very least a five year moratorium on people entering the UK, we are rapidly facing the stark reality of a population of 70m+. We need to have the foresight to take a step back and accurately assess how our services and indeed the country can accommodate the increasing swell in our population, otherwise in the very near future the UK will be no longer, instead it will just be the shanty village of Europe.
Let me think.. The economy has been a sham for the past 10 years, we have no real exports. We don't make anything anymore. ItÂ’s a no brainer, the only reason people are still in the UK is because they are tied by their families, we have nothing left, the bottle is empty, the last big economic boom turned out to have no substance, trading money and not goods, most people believed Brown (including me), how wrong could he be! I can't afford the quality of life/house I had as a child, despite the fact I have "achieved" far more than my father. Housing is terrible with government rules making sure the minimum social house is far superior in quality and size to private housing, talk about rewarding failure!!. IÂ’m off, the visa application is in!
The changes I have seen in our country and society in only the last 10years scare me. I dread to think what the longer term impact of these policies will be. can the people in positions of power not see further than their own selfissh political agenda and point scoring. What about their children/grandchildren etc.
Wife and I buggered off five years ago - saw what a mess the country was getting into - just got a whole lot worse since. Now labour want's to to put 50 pence tax on earning above £ 150,000 what reason is there to stay. C*** weather - outlandish taxation, poor services
Mass immigration from third world countries continues at a relentless pace. Not long now before the great betrayal ends in the indigenous British becoming a minority in their own country. My guess is 20 years and we will not have a country to call our own.....Lets all give a great thank you to our betraying politicians....that Westminster crowd who work so hard at.....their expenses claim forms.....vote BNP!!!!!
How many coming in are pregnant ?
The trouble is the UK are gaining mostly the migrants that require hand outs on arrival, dont want to work just bludge .
By the way, those job ads in the window in the picture are written only in Polish. Thus, in the middle of Hammersmith - "Polish only need apply." Only in Britain!
There WILL be another revolution in this country. We are sick and tired of having our country, culture, heritage and welfare system stolen by foreigners.
we will be leaving the UK for good with the other brits next year. - AW, Surrey, 26/11/2009 18:51 Good. All the cowards who want to leave this country just because things aren't going their way don't deserve to criticise this country!!! Either you stay and work hard, vote and contribute to the country or we couldn't care less what you think. Waltz off to better climes, good for you! But you no longer have a right to speak on this country you've deserted! We're still here trying to make this country work. You lot who want to jump ship can get lost!!! Simple as that! We don't care why you left, or your opinion now you've gone, because we're still here trying to make things work and if we finally get it sorted the last thing I'd do is let all the jump-ship ex-pats back onboard. Enjoy the sun, because we don't need you!
Brown & Blair are a disgrace to our Nation. This self serving pair have ripped the soul out of the Country to please as many as possible, forgeting the people the made Britian Great. The British. My vote will be going to the BNP - as immigration needs addressing. I don't agree with all their policies - but this one is enough to take my vote.
Excellent news indeed ! This probalbly means that I may well be able to now qualify for a council house as more will now become vacant, and I could well get to see an NHS Dentist within the next 12 monthsas I have only been waiting 8 months up to now . . . Is this a wonderful country or WHAT ??
I left the UK in April 2009, it's the best thing I ever did. I'm on more than double the salary, half the petrol cost and quadrupal the sunshine! Love Australia, live Australia!
I left England in 1982, and though I miss my family, I couldn't see living there again. I go back every year and it seems to lose more of its charm every time.
look at the best and worst rated comments. one of the worst rated comments relates to britain's history of colonialism, the only reason we're all sitting here with our laptops in our secure societies is because we and other european nations exploited our former colonies economically in the most brutal way and then have the audacity to say that none of them can live here. it is an accident of birth that you are reading this nothing to do with your own skill so please bare that in mind, if this is publsihed i expect the red arrows to flood in.
"Our great country, for which our forfathers fought and died for, has been sold down the river by these selfish, greedy, egotistical liars" what goes around comes around, you illegally occupied other countries, depleted there wealth and you dare complain. If you actually realised the problem is not immigration but the welfare system which encourages lackadaisical behaviour.
When the oceans begin to rise and homes by the sea become in danger of being taken by the water it won't necessarliy be due to global warming. The sheer weight of people is forcing the country to sink into the sea. You should either stop people entering the country or send for King Canute to do his stuff.
Perhaps the answer is a productivity bonus for polititians.... and a penalty for failure. If they cause problems and cost the country millions they can recompense the taxpayer for their negligence/ incompetance. Blair it seems has made millions from his position. Surely he owes all of this to the taxpayer, and to the families that he has destroyed by wars that had no moral base and probaly no legal base either. He misled the nation. He is making profit from his mendacity. I believe that this is WRONG
Well the polish have worked here in the UK. Leaving the UK for them is easy, now they have dried us up, leaving a recession behind and going to a new developed Poland. Who wouldnt leave???
It's interesting how you people think the poles are a big drag on your lousy country, and yet, are more than happy to immigrate wherever you please, yourselves. I'm really looking forward to having yet MORE British people coming to Australia... as if we dont have enough strain on our resources. Oh my, i'm starting to sound like you hypocrites.
An English village has 300 inhabitants who have lived there for centuries. 301 foreigners arrive. 300 original inhabitants leave. Net immigration 1. Sounds manageable. Actual result: not one English face or native speaker left in village! If the government "netted off" figures in this way in company accounts they'd all be in jail! Do they think we're stupid? Are we stupid?
We left 5 years ago for a better life (and there is one here ) never to return Great Britain has lost its great now.
If 'ethnic cleansing' British style is a slow burn, MP cleansing can be very short and sweet come the revenge election John C.
Well lets see. A country that takes political correctness and uses it to bludgeon anyone who says or does something that's possibly, maybe, remotely offensive to someone somewhere. A country where feral kids rule the streets because the Government made it impossible to discipline them. A country where the minority is protected to such an extreme that the majority suffers. A country where you are being watched 24/7 from every angle by eyes in the sky. A country where defending yourself or your property can get you landed in jail. A country that believes were all so incapable, we need laws making sure we don't hurt ourselves getting out of bed. A country that's become fearful of strangers as the media fills our minds with deadly scenarios. A country where where you live determines the quality of your child's education, his chances of getting through childhood without being stabbed or your chances of surviving a heart attack. I'm baffled as to why people want to leave.
Why, if there are no jobs why are they letting more in ? Brown is an apt name for this Prime Minister and reminds me of something similar that is brown. He should be flushed away. He is so ignorant that he is no doubt feeling flushed with success. Unelected and unwanted and not intelligent enough to know when to leave the sinking ship, but then he helped to pull the bung out did'nt he ?
Roz, Lancashire, you have answered your own question. The pay is low. These people must be on at least the minimum wage, and if theyÂ’re not then the employers can be prosecuted. They also tend to live in conditions that you or I wouldnÂ’t be prepared to live, and why should we. I think but donÂ’t know for sure, but there also seems to be high unemployment in these areas, so why are the unemployed not made to take this work, take it or forfeit benefits etc. There also seems to be conflicting information here too, only a couple of weeks ago I read an article in a daily newspaper that a large supermarket had increased its stock of Polish food because the Polish were returning, so what is the truth?
Until either the Conservatives stop the foreigners entering the UK, people are going to emigrate to other countries. All of us tax payers and pensioners should be paid our pensions with yearly rises no matter where we live. We have paid in all for our State pension all our working lives and have earned our increasing State pension. We must take this to the EU courts, to stop increasing our State pension because we leave the UK is completely unfair. As an OAP if we have to go to the BNP to be treated fairly then so be it. I have left the UK after working for over 60 years in the UK after being a true hard working Englishman with never a day on the dole or benefits. Blair and Brown have ruined Britain, they have two standards of law, one for us and another for them. They are fraudsters, if they were charged under British law most MP's would face heavy fines and imprisonment. Most judges should be fired at the same time. British law and law making has to change.
That's 427,000 British Out and half a million in that get priority over You + Benefits! Well you voted liebour!
roll on elections - BNP your time is coming!!!!!! - ymmot, england, 26/11/2009 21:01 I think the BNP would be a disaster for this country, but UKIP would be a much better option - securing the boarders, cutting back the EU to the EEC, but not making us a bogeyman in Europe in the process.
WHO COULD BLAME THE BRITISH FOR TRYING TO ESCAPE THE MADNESS OF A LABOUR GOVT. BYE BYE LABOUR
Nice people the Poles,London would've been a lot flatter if it wasn't the the brave boys flying alongside our chaps shooting down the luftwaffe. daggadagga !
Nice people the Poles,London would've been a lot flatter if it wasn't the the brave boys flying alongside our chaps shooting down the luftwaffe. daggadagga !
Good riddance to low paid, low skilled workers from Eastern Europe. I served a 5 year apprenticeship to become a ceramic tiler and worked hard to build a business only to find that "Vlad the polish guy", can do my job for thirty pounds a day. Only he can't do my job. His skills are inferior and ultimately he just couldnt care less about the job or the client. Quick in, quick out. You get what you pay for.
Im so glad I got out of England when i did, its been six years now since I left and I could see then how bad it was getting, I dread to think how bad it is now. England needs a good shake up, even in a so called third world country like Thailand its harder to get a visa to remain here than it seems to be in the UK. To get a residence visa is virtually impossible. I know im a second class citizen here regarding law etc, but it beats being a third class citizen in the UK.
Will the last one leaving this country, please turn off the lights. History will record Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen. Our great country, for which our forfathers fought and died for, has been sold down the river by these selfish, greedy, egotistical liars. How could we all let it happen? - Paul, Birchington, Kent, 26/11/2009 21:05 I think that is an outstanding passionate and "awakening" statement. Well said, Paul.
Meanwhile we're completely happy that the English people will be a minority in their own country. No one wants absurdity like this but it's still classed as bigotry if you bring it up. Being around my own people is the reason I still live in this country ... how much longer will I be able to?
wow, w6 has them as well searching for work, as fast as they leave tge UK so many more are flooding in, time to have ID cards with proof of birth wintin the U K, it seesm the EU was the worst rule to hit Britain , did Enoch Powell have visions of the future, he deserved the Order of the British Empire, Blair ! well what can one say , just a totall disaster.
It should be obvious to Woolas, Brown and company that our problem lies with the mumber of immigrants from OUTSIDE Europe. Why don't they get this?
It makes interesting reading, but one thing to be considered is how many will find the grass isn't greener and head back home after a year or so? I know, as I left the UK in 2007 to start a new life abroad in the Far East,but after a while I realised that there were too many differences to our lifestyles, foods, cultures, etc. And it might be OK for a three week holiday, but it is different when you spend most of the day in front of a fan or in an air-conditioned environment. And speaking of immigrants coming to do those jobs we, the Brits, don't want to do - that is what happened in the 60s when Jamaicans came here to clean the toilets, be bus conductors, etc. I have had some great friends who were Jamaicans and other immigrants.By the way, so am not trying to be racist...but that is where it all started to go wrong, when there were loads of jobs and people could be choosy - now there are no jobs and we can't be!!!
Thank goodness that I had the foresight to emigrate in 1971! The Conservatives under Cameron are hopeless!Vote all Oxford PPE's out of office! Vote BNP!
"I don't want people with criminal reocrds and no accomplishments to take charge of my country. Do you?" No, which I why I will never vote Labour ever again.
Roz, things are never as simple they seem. I remember reading a comment from a man living in Kent that used to pick strawberries every summer. Then he found that his help was no longer required, in fact the help of British nationals was no longer required. Suddenly all the work was given to Polish workers. At the time Poland wasn't a member of the EU and as such they didn't enjoy the right to the minimum wage etc. Now Poland is a full member of the EU and surprise surprise, they are finding it hard to find work, I wonder why? Suddenly it is Russians and Ukrainians that are in demand, can you see a pattern emerging? I had good chat with a polish guy that did some work for me and he also said that pickers were paid about £3.50 per hour. The working classes in general have been betrayed. I've just finished work on a building site were ALL the plasterers were Polish, most of the decorators were east European and all the cleaners were Brazilian. What about our unemployed?
The major trouble with the immigration policy in this country is that it makes it all too easy for people ro lie their way through, or so it appears. Why is it that we have such a high unemployment figure and yet, there are so many foreign nationals applying for, and getting, jobs, that british people could, and should, have? I'll be the first to admit, there are a number of incredibly lazy individuals who are native to this country, who refuse to go out and get work, however, there are also people who are suffering because they need to find work, but because a foreign national is "willing" to work for minimum wage (without complaint) they seem more likely to get offered these jobs. You then end up in a situation of resentment because when a British national goes somewhere for a public service and you have somebody who has a limited grasp of the English language or has a hard to understand accent, it makes complaints more prevelant. British jobs for British people, it's simple...
The porous borders must be effectively sealed. We are broke and can't afford to be the doss house of the world.
One of my concerns is that how many of these immigrants come to this country only to claim benefits and return to there own countries with these benefits in-tact.
so let me see if i got this right they are still letting immigrants into the country even tho they said they realise etc, they still cant shut the stable door even tho the horse has bolted what a countrry no lessons learnt here then.
it's ok for the britishers to emigrate and live as migran to someone else's country ie france, spain, portugal, cyprus, aussie land, canada, usa, new zealand but if others come from outside to uk the britishers bums become itch and start burning. double standards as usual
Well they say that every cloud has a silver lining. The Poles were only ever after money to send home (at a great exchange rate) whether they got that money from jobs and/or our ridiculously generous benefit system. They had minimal interest in being part of British culture and to be fair, Britian had minimal interest in being part of theirs. I know that in PC Britain i'll be shot down for stating these obvious facts but do i give a toss?- no
Since 1997 Labour has destroyed this country through its soft approach to everything from Law and Order to Immigration. There is scarce jobs for British people because the Polish have saturated the market. I would like to see a Briton get a job ahead of a Pole in Poland!
The lives of my father (an RAF pilot) and a hundred or more of his colleagues were saved by starving Polish women slave-labourers who collected up all the scraps they had been saving and cooked them up for the POWs who were dying of starvation on the death march from Gdansk back to Germany. My father always used to say that the Polish pilots in the RAF were the bravest of the brave. I wish some of these so-called patriotic commentators on this site would learn more of their own history.
Some educated eastern european economic migrants might be going home after working and saving their money to live life as they want in their own countries but...... Britain is left with the lazy, feckless, ignorant, drunken migrants who have NOTHING TO RETURN HOME TO. Their own countries don't want them back and whilst we pick up the tag in social and monetary costs in areas saturated with them. The British ideal of tolerance is being tested to breaking point. Social unrest will come.
Fact fan in London..... I totally agree with your comments. We have Polish and Portugese labourers working in the fields doing work that none of the British locals are interested in. The work is hard and the pay is low and we should be grateful to these people for wanting to earn a pittance and work like slaves. I'm sorry to see them go. They have a real work ethic and have the motivation that is an example to us all. - Roz, Lancashire, 26/11/2009 21:02 And the Polish War Memorial at Northolt should remind us of what the Poles did to support our war effort.
One fact that is missing from this article is that the biggest group of people arriving in this country were actually British citizens. So, it's not only people from eastern Europe who come into this country for work-related reasons, British people do it as well and some come home again.
Since 1997 , the country has been in decline with Labour being too soft on everything from law and order to immigration There is no jobs for British workers because the Polish have saturated the market. I would like to see a British person get a job over a Polish person in Poland. Hopefully the tories will get a grip of the mess.
We need a Referendum now! These people have arrived looking for a new life - we would do the same in similar circumstances - but it is all wrong. We have lost all our industries since being in the EU and those that are left are owned by foreigners. I have voted Tory for 30 years, but no more - I am voting for who gives a Referendum that will actually take place. All 3 parties are frightened that getting out of the EU will expose the massive corrupt goings on that we read about. As an old soldier who has worked and fought for this country we shall be emmigrating if we do not get the freedom to vote on this EU issue. The UK has become a financial services country with corrupt banks which can all be moved overnight to another continent at th flick of a switch. We need a new Government completely - we need another Cromwell to walk into Parliament with the Army and kick out all the crooks, liars and spongers and have a proper set of people who we can actually respect !
Will the last one leaving this country, please turn off the lights. Paul, Birchington, Kent, 26/11/2009 21:05 Leaving for where? America, Australia. new Zealand, the Middle East everywhere else many millions of 'British' migrate to every year, since when, oh, the plymouth pilgrims at least.Turn off which lights?Britain has prospered on the backs of 2/3rds of the earth it built its great cities on, to say nothing of endentured or slave labour where workers were brought here, there and everywhere without being payed.It has built its current prosperity on the weakened economies of the world where your (jewish started) m&s clothes are made for less than $2/day in Asia where the lights burn very low for many as a result.Migrants here have largely boosted your NHS whose overseas give a lot of light & hope to the people of Britain. If you think your fathers fought & died for this country, heroic but so did foreign fathers used in frontline from every part of empire to protect you.
Now the poles are going home there wont be tens of millions of pounds being sent to Poland every week, they might work for nowt but they spend nowt here.
to Paul in Birchington It happened because people voted FOR Blair when people like me begged them not to. Three times!! We had seen it all before in 1978. John Major had the misfortune of not appealing to the chattering classes who did their best to discredit him yet when he handed over the reins this country was in a sound economic state.Then greedy Brown got his hands on it and sold off the gold and decided to spend the money on laybabouts and no hopers. Someone said to him in the treasury, It is all very sound..and his reply? I won't apologise for it!Unctious nasty attitude! Now we have Greedy Balls waiting in the wings for the next time the blind and deaf electorate decide to elect him. If so I am off and will retire anywhwere but here!
I have lived my entire adult life under Labour. I think they are the worst government we have ever had and have burdened my generation and younger with years of debt and social deprivation and decay. This government have created a society where a few have secreted vast amounts of wealth from the rest. A society where moral values and common sense are undermined by a bizarre concept that you can never judge anything as wrong. They have let our children down with their liberal dismantling of our education system. By widening the benefit system they have done away with aspiration and social mobilitiy and encouraged a lazy, useless underclass to flourish. Today violence garners sympathy. They have failed old by raiding pensions and young by chocking business and plunging us into debt. They take us into illegal wars, they take NO responsibility for their lies, failure is rewarded. They do not invest in energy, they make up fake statistics to support their lies. I could go on sadly.
Britain is built on immigration - just like the US. Nobody is 'fully British' - the racists complaining about the immigration really mean that they just don't want the foriegners here, regardless of whether the population will hit 70 million or the so-called 'financial burdens' the foriegners bring. By the way, the foreigners work for a living - all of them! They DO NOT qualify for benefits until they worked and paid full taxes for at least 3 years. And if you don't receive any help, have no food, no shelter, no accomodation - you'll die! The homeless people on British streets are British-born with mental health and drug problems, not the foreigners. Foreigners work, pay taxes, spend money in British shops which helps our economy. The only reason the media have been getting away with using foreign people as scapegoats is because they DON'T HAVE THE TIME to read all the c*** writeen about them because they are too busy working 2-3 jobs and supporting their families back home.
I think Labour want all the Brits to leave.
I have worked with many Polish people settled in the UK...one thing about them is that their children are as British as my own children...they integrate fully. In the week before Armistice I saw a young Polish woman I know in town..her and her two children were all wearing poppies. I would rather have immigrants from Poland in this country they are grand people...the ones I resent are those that will never integrate in a million years and seek to change the very nature and culture of this country to that of their own.
I agree that a tough stance needs to be taken on immigration, and the right of non-Brits to social security benefits. We need a system more like the USA's or Australia's. Reversing 60-odd years of lax immigration policy will be impossible, but positive steps can be taken. However, the BNP are not the party to lead us forward. They do not have strength and depth. They have very few credible politicians in their ranks. Mr Griffin is not PM material. The main parties have to take ownership of this problem and assure the electorate that they want it to be solved. If the departing Poles are creating job vacancies, then people have have been on JSA for more than 6 months should be matched to those roles, whether they like it or not. We are facing tough economic times which call for tough measures.
Can't understand why anyone would want to stay in that UK dump... Move to Eastern Europe - it's much nicer plus snow every christmas.
Went to GP yesterday. The sign in computer now asks if you want English or Polish. I say good riddance! ________________________________ Ironically, Debbie, as a Brit living in Poland, I went to the immigration office to apply for my new 10 year id card... and nobody in the immigration office speaks English or German!
Can anyone tell me how long a foreign national has to be in our country before they are allowed to vote. Do they get to register with the electorate the day they arrive? Just a thought. - Maureen, aberdeen, 26/11/2009 19:51 Only British nationals can vote in UK elections. Those from EU countries can vote in EU elections. Sorry if that ruins your attempt at an argument...
I love these articles about immigration with statistics so convoluted and unclear they become totally meaningless. To clarify, with a little calculation based on the figures provided, the average net migration over the last 12 years has been 250,000. And last year it was down to just 163,000!! Wooohooo!!! With just a little effort in working out what the figures mean, all these people would have been praising our government (although admittedly the whinging ex-pats might then come flooding back to screw up the figures for next year).
Record immigration AND the poles are going home.. and if they werent going home? we need an inquiry...NOW
We now live in a blame society where anything that goes wrong are blamed on immigrants. What I see is a nation with a rapidly declining literacy rate, with kids who are growing up moaning about studying proper subjects like maths, science and languages, and a growing number of people studying "Media Studies", then coming out of uni and finding themselves jobless. They start blaming the clever immigrants who worked hard from the beginning and actually had aspirations. We have teens who are unable to read or write properly, causing voilence on the streets, knocking up other teens, binge drinking, doing drugs and thinking they're in some sort of gang and they're "hard". I have lost count the number of times I've read the news about some woman with 15 kids by 10 different men, sitting at home, abusing our benefits system and using the tax money i work so hard to pay for. They all seem to be these so called "Inidigenous Brits" people so proudly speak of. Yes, let's blame the immigrants.
I've just been reading about this on the BNP website and this makes me sick.
Pari, Cambridge: The BNP will make this a country only fools will want to stay in? What planet are you from? Hello............! Your precious Labour Government as you must be a Labour supporter if you are slating the bnp, your Government has made this a country where all the decent people want to leave, with only those who cannot leave for various reasons, the work shy, the criminals and the handout seeking immigrants want to remain.
IF MY GRANDPARENTS ARE LOOKING DOWN ON US NOW, THEY WILL BE SHAKING THEIR HEADS IN SHAME, AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM! ROLL ON THE ELECTIONS, GOOD LUCK B.N.P. !
Some incredible comments are posted on here. Multi-cultural societies can actually work very well. Although I think its hard to compare a country of half a million with the UK, it has to be said that here in Luxembourg the standard of living way in excess of most European countries with 40% of its population being foreign migrants. People here are open-minded an accepting of others - not something that can be said for the average person commenting on this page. And don't rail against immigrants and threaten to leave the country yourself! No where else wants you anyway.... - Ronnie P, Luxembourg, Luxembourg So what are you doing there if no one else wants us & if you're not British butt out!!
Ask yourself this... Why are there notice boards advertising for jobs in Polish for Polish people? Are there notice boards advertising for British people only? NO. So no-one has noticed what is wrong with this. Don't get me started on the notice boards advertising for rooms to rent only in Polish writing. There are Polish websites for Polish jobs and rooms too. Where is the equality? The reason they take any job for any pay is because that will be saved and taken "home", where it is more valuable there than it is here. Where do the British people go with the money they earn, nowhere. London is a joke, I am sick of it.
I see lots of poles here they are not going back to poland, this countrys lost the PLOT.....in fact there are even more here than there use to be....theres too many people.....its CRAZY....BRITAIN cannot cope with an open door...i hear turkish so much here too....apart from all the other people coming in.
Action Plan. 1, Bring our lads back from that stupid and bloody war. 2, Actively kick out anybody that shouldnt be here 3. Leave the EU with immediate effect. 4, Abolish the human rights act. 5, SEAL THE BORDERS. - martyn robinson, northampton Martyn - you failed to say which party to vote for all the above to happen. I will state it for you, the BNP - check it out on their website.
No one has the courage to do anything about putting the UK forward to where it belongs, that does actually mean listening to the indiginous population. - Bob Church, Beaumont, 26/11/2009 17:56 So you're going to ask the Welsh what to do then?
I will be leaving the UK if New Labour get in again at the next general election... as will anyone who has any sense ! - Mark Stubbs, St Helens, UK, 26/11/2009 16:41 I can really empathise with you Mark. I assume (although I realise that I shouldn't that you are a working lad disillusioned with labour). We had a point in our lives when we thought the Labour party was the way to go. We changed our minds before the government of Blair & have never regretted it. This Labour government have lead this country to disgrace & to the bowels of hell. We got out just as they came into power & again have never regretted it. Never the less no matter where we go in Europe this slime touches us through the European laws. I hope you realise your dream but think about where your going befoe you leave because their arms are long & can still pull you down. Especially through the reduction in the value of the pound & your pension. Good luck.
we will be leaving the UK for good with the other brits next year. - AW, Surrey, 26/11/2009 18:51 Bye. We'll miss you. Don't forget to keep in touch so you can join the other ex-pats telling us what we are doing wrong.
Saw it coming 6 years ago. We need revolution people, now !
What is the difference between an emmigrant and an immigrant??? They are two sides of the same coin I guess.
We need a Referendum. I have voted Tory for 30 years, this next election I shall vote for whoever will give the British people their wish. The reason we are not getting a Referundum is because all the major parties know it will be a landslide vote to get out of the EU. I have fought and worked hard for this country - for what? If we don't get out of the EU we shall be emigrating before the mass riots start. The UK is on the brink of massive social unrest and possible major disorder - can nobody see this? I just hope that I and a lot of other old soldiers are completely wrong, but somehow I do not think so. We have lost all our industries, those left are in foreign hands - we are a financial service country which could move electronically to another continent overnight - there is no substance in that and who trusts our financial institutes anymore?
BNP,UKIP who will they see as imigrants all blacks, jewish,asians, etc etc who have been here for years, longer than alot of so called English. Get real people Great Britain is no longer great.
So please do not put people in the same bracket! - Karolina, London, 26/11/2009 17:21 Karolina, don't worry about it. Those posting on here are only a minority with extreme views. I'm sure you're aware that most people in this country are pretty reasonable.
If any of you repatriating Poles are reading this.......could you let us know how long you continue being sent Working Tax Credit and Child Benefit?
How stupid do you think we all are Mr Woolas? The Polish are going home for Christmas and then will be back. Unemployment benefit in UK is 5 times what it is in Poland and as long as we remain in the corrupt EU they are entitled to it. It's a no brainer for them is'nt it? What about the millions of people from the third world like Africa and Asia etc? These people are'nt going home as there is no benefit system, no education, no NHS and no council house to go back to. Our own homegrown British are leaving and taking their wealth with them and they are being quickly replaced by people who will be nothing but a drain on this country and her infrastructure for generations to come. Shame on this damn Government for what they have reduced us to.
So you're happy for 225 children to die? Shame on you.
I am a 3rd generation British Pakistani and will be leaving for Poland in 6 weeks time to train Polish engineers in electronic and electrical design. I work as a design engineer and the US firm that employs me has decided to stop manufacturing in Britain and Ireland and move production to Poland, Ukraine and Turkey. It is far cheaper to locate there, wage costs are far lower but the standard of staff working in assembly and design is just as good. Many of my native British colleagues are in countries such as Saudi, Mexico, India, Azerbaijan, Tunisia etc. Similarly, foreign nationals come here for experience and to pass on skills. There is no point blaming NuLab, it's our globalised world and people have to realise that the number one priority of every company listed on the stock exchange is to make money for its shareholders. If that means moving staff and closing factories then thats whats going to happen....and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
re" john france" your absolutely smack on. bring in neils boys otherwise there will be no britain and this is no joke
Fact fan in London..... I totally agree with your comments. We have Polish and Portugese labourers working in the fields doing work that none of the British locals are interested in. The work is hard and the pay is low and we should be grateful to these people for wanting to earn a pittance and work like slaves. I'm sorry to see them go. They have a real work ethic and have the motivation that is an example to us all. - Roz, Lancashire, 26/11/2009 21:02 Obviously you're not one of those workers whose wages have been driven down by the influx of Poles. Perhaps your opinion wouldn't be qukte so glowing if they had !
They're all going home because the recession has hit the UK the hardest. They are taking with them all their saved earnings to inject back into the economy of their native countries -. Labour say"imigration is good for the British economy" Yeah, right ! When the going gets tough - to the tough get going ... right back to Europe.
For the last couple of years Mail and others tabloids blamed everything on new arrivals from Europe-especially on Poles.They come and gone. What about millions of people streaming from Asia and Africa-they want to stay here permanently. Why don't you say it openly,you afraid of accusation of being racist,thanks to political correctness.It is all about resources,it is not enough for everyone-simple as that.
You are going to miss the Poles. I am Polish, I worked in UK for 2 years. I am back in Poland now. Let me tell you that when I first came to your country I was shocked that so many Brits live off benefits instead of working!!!. I met people in their 30s or 40s who NEVER worked!!! You shout Britain for the British but if there were only British people in your country the country would COLLAPSE! Most of British people don't know how to work hard, but they now what to do if you do not want to work. You are too lazy to work in the jobs Polish people take.....
Its about time this goverment and future ones took heed of what the british people what and that is our beloved country back . NOT to feel we are being swallowed up by different cultures .Give us our identity back before its too late .
I thought the whole point of having an army was to protect a country from invasion , but oh of course our army is busy protecting the reputations of GW Bush and Tony Bliar in Afghanistan, whilst our country is mobbed and invaded by illegal and economic migrants , our armed services should be better deployed at our ports and airports stopping the illegals from invading our small island and putting strain to breaking point on our social infrastructures, our armed service personnel should be on our borders where they belong protecting us from invasion.
How many of you been working 12 hours shifts, 5 days a week 5.7£ without any extras for overtimes in a factory with 2 breaks? Foregin did!! What culture did you loose because of them than? Tea breaks?
I'd be happy for the Poles to stay; they are honest and hard working. Be great deal happier like the majority of Britain if Clown Brown would clear off with his circus of incompetents to somewhere other than UK.
"History will record Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen." You're a little late for that because history has already bestowed that dubious honour on Margaret Thatcher.
700 immigrants a day? So much for getting tough on immigration?
I guess they will want to come back when the recession is over I also think its time british people stood up to these politicians and told them we are fed up with greed and filling there own pockets
*the goverment has no control over the eastern europeans arriving in the country* of course they do! 1.no NHS treatment untill they find a job 2.no access to lawyers unless you pay 3.no insurance number as you fly-sail-drive in like it is now 4.no interpreters at NHS, if you live in France-Spain, and cant speak the language-you pay for the interprters,quite right too 5 no child support going out of the country as now. as my title says this used to be a great place to live till labour ripped the heart out of it. bye bye great britain
"The difference is Fact fan (more like lack of facts fan) is that those in spain have sold up and bought property there, therefore contributing to the local economy." Dave, Leeds, 26/11/2009 19:21 And how exactly do elderly Brits buying property contribute to the local Spanish economy? By pushing up land and house prices perhaps?
Anyone who votes for the other three are puddled...their track record is down the drain and they've no pride after dragging their country under, we're a laughing stock so what do you do in a common sense business meeting....yes you bring in a party with policies of recovery...WELL , HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THEM...THE POLICIES ?? DO IT AND YOU'LL SEE CHANGES VERY QUICK...and please don't give me all the P.C. correct rubbish and that they are RACIST..they don't want to tell people to go back..they want to get britian back under control and for GUESTS to respect the rule and laws of the country, stop abusing our WELCOME and stop telling us how great and important their RELIGION is and how futile ours is. We're not really interested,...moden life isn't all about religion...WAKE UP...vote B.N.P. pc correcteness will bring you under...GOODNIGHT
If all these people who claim the UK is so terrible would just leave, as they keep threatening, it would be a much more pleasant place to live.
Nick - get the missus to start measuring for curtains - looks like you're moving to a swanky address in London.
We need to get out of the EU or at least give us a vote on the matter, we as a country cannot keep taking people we are after all an Island. We need to keep our land green do we really want to lose all our open spaces, if not for us today think of the next 10 20 30 years. This is not about being racists it is about common scene.
its a shame the poles are going..at least they make an effort to work and dont make us feel like strangers in our own country.. they have obvioulsy realised that britain isnt so
The more people are out of work the more people are coming in, the more people those in work have to pay for, it's like a cuckoo, getting bigger and bigger until the nest finally bursts.
There's a few hundred more coming for one of the UK's critical skill shortages - cooking. In yesterday's Bangkok Post is an ad to bring cooks to the UK. Starting pay is 22,000 pounds with 28 days paid holiday. Looks like subsidised accomodation is available at 32 quid/week. The company will of course sponsor for a UK visa. I wonder whether these jobs were advertised in the UK? How come we can't train some of the 5.4M non-workers to be sous-chefs? Are we really too dumb to cook?
Decent hardworking, taxpaying people are leaving the country in droves to go anywhere in the world but the UK , and instead scrounging immigrants are arriving by the boatload and lorry load . Well done Brown , you have managed to ruin a decent country and turn into a third world dump.
This isn't fair! The British people have never been consulted over immigration!
no good talking about it,you dont think the liblabcon liars,thieves and traitors give a monkey's about what you say do you?,surely you cant still be that thick,only what you do counts it always has been and it always will be,if the liblabcon wont listen to you then vote in those who will ,it really isn't rocket science.talk talk talk gets you nothing,action gets you everything,just check out the history books as to what the empire and commonwealth countries had to resort to to rid themselves of the self serving pigs at westminster,ask the americans,asians,africans,arabs and of course the irish what they had to use to get rid of them,it wasnt words,and the leaders who did what was needed to save their countries ended up as the leaders of their own countries once the british had had their backsides kicked out.the labour and tory politicians are ignoring you and your wishes,so vote for those who wont ignore you,ONCE AGAIN BRITAIN"ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE" VOTE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY.
And when the Eastern Europeans return home they will still be receiving UK benefits so they can have a very long holiday as our generous benfits will go much further in Eastern Europe. We have been well and truly stitched up by this Government and I don't know anyone who is happy with the situation, even formerly solid working class Labour voters.
You can't go anywhere in spain with meeting a Brit it's like a foriegn country now. Fact fan, London Yes maybe true but Brits contribute to society and are classed a good immigrant. What do you we get coming into Britain?
Thats believable I think half of them are all in west london, why doesn't the border agency come to southall and see how many illegal immigrants there are hanging on the corners of the street every morning without jobs not even the police stops and checks them and most of them are here with no valid visa or work permit, how on earth do they get into this country and why doesn't anyone say anything to them? Its such a mess!!
Will the last one leaving this country, please turn off the lights. History will record Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen. Our great country, for which our forfathers fought and died for, has been sold down the river by these selfish, greedy, egotistical liars. How could we all let it happen?
Fact fan in London..... I totally agree with your comments. We have Polish and Portugese labourers working in the fields doing work that none of the British locals are interested in. The work is hard and the pay is low and we should be grateful to these people for wanting to earn a pittance and work like slaves. I'm sorry to see them go. They have a real work ethic and have the motivation that is an example to us all.
If my wife and I were not retired the number of Brits leaving would have been 172002!!!! What a state this once great nation is now in thanks to spineless, dithering and useless politicians.
roll on elections - BNP your time is coming!!!!!!
This is just what the government and the EU want - a dilution of the indiginous northern european Brit. The net loss of these people ensures that by steady decline the UK will be inhabited by those with no family history or allegience to our country and will not resist the super state aims of the euro political elite - we will finally lose our statehood - or put another way -be raped.
Britain: so bad, even the poles are going home!
Hooray first part but boo second part
- Fact fan, London, 26/11/2009 16:56 At least the Brits in Spain are working or retired, not sponging off their benefits system!
i and many of my pensioner friends have had enough of this government,and there multiculturism plans ,they are voted in to rule this once great country,on my and other peoples behalve,not to dream what they believe in there mad ideas.we shall like many more voting for the bnp,iam 73years old,and would like my country back,as it was,and i am not a facist,just a proud english man, give us the bnp before it is to late
Went to GP yesterday. The sign in computer now asks if you want English or Polish. I say good riddance!
this country is in chronic meltdown and the only people who will sort it out are the bnp
UKIP
Only the BNP has ANY intention of sorting this shambles out. - john, France, 26/11/2009 16:59 What do you care? you live in France
Only the BNP has ANY intention of sorting this shambles out. - john, France, 26/11/2009 16:59 What do you care? you live in France
No doubt Nulabour will supplement their votes from elsewhere. More benefits, anybody?
This is not the first time that Woolas has been caught speaking through another orifice. Yet one more MP who was built up side down. Another of Gormless Gordon's 'policy' sound bites which has been proven unfulfilled. Pity the Poles are leaving - at least they showed what a good day's work looked like. Sadly they will be replaced with a useless band of benefit seekers, petty criminals and sex trade students. This country has enough of its own layabouts without importing others.
Mass immigration has destroyed the very fabric of this country.
What this shows is a fundamental change in the make-up of society, for it is only indigenous Brits and Poles who are leaving and Pakistanis etc who are arriving. So you cannot subtract one from the other, you have to add one to the other to get the real change in the community profile. And this, remember, is all being done for ideological reasons - to make Britain more multi-cultural (against its wishes) and to "rub the Right wing's nose in it", as has been already admitted. How anyone can vote Labour again after this act of high treason is beyond me.
Can anyone tell me how long a foreign national has to be in our country before they are allowed to vote. Do they get to register with the electorate the day they arrive? Just a thought.
We have mainly UK people leaving and foreigners immigarting. Result: Displacement of an entire Nation in a few generations.
I'm not interested in net migration, it's a sleight of hand that the politicians use to make you think that numbers coming to this country are negligible. I'm more interested in the quality of immigrants that are replacing us. Net migration of ~ 100k doesn't sound half as bad as half a million, on the whole well educated Brits, leaving the UK to be replaced by 600k generally poorly educated. Hardly a like for like swap! Any of you idiots thinking that the Tories will change this position then think again - vote accordingly!
When we came,we knew that we will have to work hard.But we were not prepared for such a lack of respect from plp in UK.Saying that I do not mean all of u guys. etc.Yes, within our society we have troublemakers but majority of us r just simple, normal, honest quiet plp.U think Poles are going home?Half of them maybe. Rest is moving to Norway, France.
The difference is Fact fan (more like lack of facts fan) is that those in spain have sold up and bought property there, therefore contributing to the local economy. They also don't claim benefits as they aren't handed out there the way they are here. Also all those Brits have to have medical insurance as you can't just expect to roll up and get free medical treatment the way you can here. I'd suggest you get hold of a few facts to be a fan of.
Taking all our child benifits with them!!!!!!
I'm always amused to see anti-immigrant messages from people who live in areas such as Gloucester or Lincolnshire. They have most likely never seen an immigrant in their life yet they still moan about them!
in Nepal the books told the Nepalese what a good country Britain was, he said the Nepalese will have to change their history books. - pen, Durham Uk, 26/11/2009 15:52 The history books were likely to be correct, but written a long long time ago.
we will be leaving the UK for good with the other brits next year.
I'm sure if we didn't colonised most of this countries. Asians, americans and africans wouldn't be here in the first place. get over it!
Yes, our folks are leaving and taking their wealth and everything else with them as no other country will give them a free ride like we seem to give to the rest of the world. I dont believe many foreigners are really leaving because of lack of jobs. That's where the biggest lie of all is as most foreigners that come to these shores from Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia etc are mostly here for benefits and free council housing etc. Stop kidding yourselves, the only people that are really leaving are the Brits who are fed up of this country, the awful Labour Government and the cess pit that this country is quickly descending into.
Damn British migrants, going to peoples' countries, stealing their jobs, destroying their culture. I say send us back to where we came from. You can't go anywhere in spain with meeting a Brit it's like a foriegn country now. - Fact fan, London, 26/11/2009 16:56 That's because Britain is no longer British. Us Brits have no homeland now. It has been sold by our tratorious govenment. And I don't see that when the Conservative get in next year that they will be taking any of it back either. We will soon all become refuges escaping from this new state that Britain has now become..
Damn British migrants, going to peoples' countries, stealing their jobs, destroying their culture. I say send us back to where we came from. - Fact fan, London, 26/11/2009 16:56 The type of people that emigrate are the type who work and contribute to their new countries, I have only experience of New Zealand and Australia is likewise. I'm fortunate to have gone as a child and have had dual nationality for a long time, assimilation down under is good. Spain seems to be different as the Brits seem to set up little colonies and frequent British pubs etc. Britain accepts the world's best and employs them but also the no hopers and rewards them financially for doing nothing. Immigration here should be restricted to the commonwealth countries that have helped us during WW2 and the Polish who did also.
i believe this country in years to come will be a colony of misfits and scum of the new e.u a creation of this form of communism led by this liebour party weaken education for the masses which they have done but make sure their children get the best so as to keep the line of heredity in their favour,an off shore island like ours will suit this political thinking ideal to use this island as a labour work camp and keep them at a safe distance from those opposed to their evil ideals,beware 1984 is not to far away.
Immigration out of control Climate change caused by man a scam Crime out of control I could go on, but we all know that there is only one party who will sort this out. The only party that will stand up for the British. You'd better wake up and ensure that they get some MP's into the House of Expenses, before it's too late. I dread to think what might happen if they don't'
'Damn British migrants, going to peoples' countries, stealing their jobs, destroying their culture. I say send us back to where we came from. You can't go anywhere in spain with meeting a Brit it's like a foriegn country now. Fact fan, London' The majority in our Spanish town are retirees, we came with money to buy our houses, we pay local tradesman and shop at local shope, and we don't need or want handouts. Between us my husband and I worked for 89 years in the UK, paying our taxes all the way. It's the younger people who can't find work here who have a problem, many of them have returned to the UK - to sign on for benefits. As for culture, we are encouraged to attend and take part in all the fiestas. And we never see any drunks on the way home!
Like rats deserting the sinking ship HMS Britain under its useless captain Brown.
No one has the courage to do anything about putting the UK forward to where it belongs, that does actually mean listening to the indiginous population.
The BNP will make Britain a country only fools will want to stay in - watch emmigration rise as the muppets take charge. I don't want people with criminal reocrds and no accomplishments to take charge of my country. Do you? Then you're the type of person we want to leave...
Put a stop to it now we cannot and do not want to go on in this way, it's our country and we are fed up to the back teeth of our country no longer belonging to us and we are fast becoming minorities in it and that is just not going to happen it will invite BIG trouble before long. The people will only put up with so much and so much is almost reached
Quite honestly this country doesnt want British people any more. But there are many that do welcome us. I recomend looking overseas, there isnt much left in Britain for you if you are British, over40 and out of work.
Some incredible comments are posted on here. Multi-cultural societies can actually work very well. Although I think its hard to compare a country of half a million with the UK, it has to be said that here in Luxembourg the standard of living way in excess of most European countries with 40% of its population being foreign migrants. People here are open-minded an accepting of others - not something that can be said for the average person commenting on this page. And don't rail against immigrants and threaten to leave the country yourself! No where else wants you anyway....
BNP
Damn these foreigner's jumping ship and abandonng us as soon as things get tough - wonder how we will get along without them -
ZZZzzzZZZzzz - Falling on deaf ears by this and successive governments. It is a joke.
I wish I could afford to emigrate.
Action Plan. 1, Bring our lads back from that stupid and bloody war. 2, Actively kick out anybody that shouldnt be here 3. Leave the EU with immediate effect. 4, Abolish the human rights act. 5, SEAL THE BORDERS.
Allthe decent hard working Europeans head home leaving the rest of us to pay for the workshy dregs who have no intention of going anywhere.
The gates to Britain should be closed and a sign put up saying"No Entry".We can't take anymore, we are too full.
What is it we say 'Broken Britain' sorry but we are FULL, no room at the inn!
Poles are well educated, English speaking and good workers. Until wages in their own country catch up with Western European levels then I hardly blame them from moving abroad to look for work. The UK is in the EU and therefore entitles people to freely come to the country, live and look for work. Plenty of English, Welsh and Scots have taken advantage of the relaxed migration rules and are working on the continent.
The source of the numbers? Lord Haw-Haw Brown. A dead cert they're iffy.
These Poles dont care about this country and are just here for their own self indulgence, they have no warmth or patriotism to the flag and country. A lot of the money they make gets sent home, thus it doesnt stay in the economy. - Chris, York, 26/11/2009 15:01 I'm sorry Chris - I do! I have all the respect towards british culture, way of living, flag, your army, history, legacy - probably even more than some brits. I am grateful for the opportunity here, i pay my taxes, i take no benenfits, i go to work and don't pull out sickies. Love Only Fools and Horses and Faulty Towers. Pay towards charity (Great Ormond), wear a poppy. So please do not put people in the same bracket!
Poles going home? Not in my neck of the woods! Still loads of Eastern Europeans to be seen supping beer, hard-hats in hand, before another day on the building site! This country is full, end of.
Yeah, just walk the high streets and listen to the jabber. Not many english accents in there. Over run, out bred and soon out voted.
Britain is a tiny island. I don't care if the arrivals are black, white ,khaki or green I don't care what language they speak or even if they hate us, it all misses the point and the point is we don't have the jobs we don't have the space and our way of life is being shot to bits by this situation. 700 people per day? The UK has lost control of everything by allowing this to go on. Why do you think my address is Sydney Australia. My skills were needed here and I left. I have used those skills in the Middle East the Far East Europe and the USA. I have not used them in Britain because I don't want to live in a country that has a high crime rate no border control and no space. You are falling fast and I can't believe that this can continue without serious repercussions. It is simply insane.Australia is full of migrants including me but you don't just walk in it's difficult to get accepted and it's getting harder. Border control exists and it is used.
Only the BNP has ANY intention of sorting this shambles out.
It looks as if the honest Eastern Europeans are now realising that the UK is worse than their homeland thanks to Brown's ham fisted dithering. The only Eastern EU citizens still here are either those who have gainful employment and contributing to the UK's economy, or criminals who are operating drug or people trafficking gangs while trying to evade arrest back in their own country.
Damn British migrants, going to peoples' countries, stealing their jobs, destroying their culture. I say send us back to where we came from. You can't go anywhere in spain with meeting a Brit it's like a foriegn country now.
We cannot cure our broken, fragmented society if we continue to allow mass migration across the world on this scale and in such a short space of time. It is no wonder there is so much unsettlement in communities where community spirit is largely a thing of the past, while many don't know their neighbours (yet have friends in umpteen different countries in many cases) and the English culture has been lost. We need settled communities where we can all share something in common.
Well, as 'indigenous' Christian Brits, we've done our bit to ease Britain's overcrowding by moving Down Under. On the other hand we've taken years of old-fashioned education with us (we can actually read, write and add up!) together with engineering and trade skills learned in the British armed forces that are much in demand in Australia. We left because Britain has been in decline for at least the last 35 years, and each time we thought it couldn't get any worse, it DID! So get out while you still can.
All the family people on my road have gone, lads I grew up with, they said they couldn't bring their kids up here..I can't say I blame them.
Who can blame them, our society is being torn apart. Crime, drugs, ASBO... a general decline in social behaviour, we Britons are losing our culture. I am not ethnocentric, but, far too many foreign cultures that do not assimilate is not good for our future. Perhaps emigration is the only option?
The landmark figure of 70 million was reached years ago, the population of the uk is now 90 million or thereabouts, in 1956 it was said to be 56 million, probably a true figure, the present figure said by the government to be 61 million is total fantasy and obviously doesnt add up.
These figures are very very bad for this country. Silly old Woolas keeps saying they are decreasing, he makes me sick, perhaps he's been going to Ed Balls ' school. Dumb Dumb and more dumb.
The UK Police Border Agency are fully occupied locating illegal immigrants let in by Labour over the last ten years and still they are piling into the country. So much for Liabours strict new controls!
Please note that this shop does not display work offers any longer. This is pre 2004 picture before Poland joined european union. Then the second half of the article is not about Poles at all, but non - EU workers!
They never tell the true situation i.e. thousands of valuable English people leave with their money and talents but an even greater number of foreigners arrive mostly penniless, dependent on benefits and mostly unskilled. Labour will not be happy until they have emptied the UK of the best people.
The Plan is progressing. UK will soon be Europes offshore Metropolis.
More than half a million new immigrants arriving her in a year, plus the unknown number that arrive illegally and are not counted! Does this government really think that this can continue? Where are these people supposed to live? Where are they supposed to work? How is the country supposed to support them? It is about time that the government of this country started thinking about the people of this country and stop this massive influx immediately. Bring home the troops from Afghanistan and put them on the borders of our own country would be a good starting point.
Well there you go then!
Look, two things to remember: 1. These figures are produced by the same Gov't dept that originaly estimated an influx of only 13,000 a year. 2. Anything Woolas says can immediately be dismissed as the rantings of a madman.
Vote BNP its the only way.
this government isnt "open and honest" about anything.Must be the most corrupt government in Europe.
No doubt they will be heading home and still be in reciept of child benifits for their non-existent children.
Poland is a beautiful country and has advanced hugely in the past few years - little wonder the Polish who came to the UK to work are returning home, their economy is now far more bouyant than ours, their quality of life is now superior and more importantly, their society is dignified and respectful and their towns and cities are safe and clean - unlike the lawless cesspit that England has become.
About time some started going back. With looming redundancies and generally not alot of job opportunities out there its only right they should go home to their families.
Many Polish including friends of ours are now returning home because Poland is such a developing country and has lots more jobs on offer than Britain at the moment - so anyone looking for work try Poland plenty of choice and cheap to live.
So much for labours clampdown has nobody told this bunch of idiots that we have a recession and millions of people have not got a job.Yet they still hand out work permits to all and sundry.
It would be nice to know where the 590,000 immigrants came from - and that's only the ones we know about Our schools and infrastructure are failing becuase of such an influx of people in such a short period of time. It really has to stop - until we have the resources to deal with any more.
The more the merrier in my opinion, Britain needs multiculturalism!
It still adds up to having to build a city the size of Leeds every 3 years, and Wooly headed Woolas hails it as a success. Madness!
That photograph possibly says it all-the hard grafting Poles searching in the window for employment. Our bone idle,lazy lot would probably be in the off licence spending their benefits on fags,booze,and lottery scratchcards.
I wouldn't be too surprised if the majority of those leaving were British! Last one out please turn off the lights...
There was a Channel 4 programme last week about Westminster traffic wardens most are immigrants. The central warden the programme concentrated on was from Nepal. When asked why he wanted to come to England he said it's a crime free society and no murders and he wants to bring his daughter and wife over. After he had been accepted and had experienced the job, and all the abuse racial etc. He was asked if he still wanted to make Britain his home, he said no, and in Nepal the books told the Nepalese what a good country Britain was, he said the Nepalese will have to change their history books.
This was always going to happen when the currency value fell in relation to the Euro. This is why sane people didn't spit their dummies out when the Polish first came. We've taxed them, enjoyed their beer and high quality workmanship and now their going home. Everyone's a winner. Expect soft fruit lovers who'll have no one to pick their crops for them.
One lot go home, and then another lot arrive. Great, that's all we need!!! This country is choking with cars, traffic, people, unemployment, corruption, liars, profiteering capitalism, land acquisition, and a "news service" which is biased in favour of 75 million + a multicultural UK. Do you recall when they told us that 'migrants are good for the economy'? They don't say that anymore do they? No, they dare not, cos' they may not get away with it. I'm afraid we need a government which on the migration issue is going to be authoritarian, and if that means lots of tears from the hopeful migrating masses then so be it. Tough. BUT I'm kidding myself aren't I?, will we get a government to do just that???? No. But at least I will commit my concerns into a real vote. Your concerns folks, will be lost on the three mains parties. Vote for BNP ..... please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the workers leave, the shirkers arrive
All the talk of controlled immigration from Brown and Co is worthless. We need to control it from EU *and* non-EU countries.
Who's figures? As usual most figures anything closely linked to the government are massaged big time. The incompetency in maths can be seen from their initial estimates when they speculated 14000 Poles would arrive, and more like half a million came! Believe what you want, but don't believe these figures at all!
If the Government told me the Pope was a Catholic I'd get a second opinion !
The present climate in this Country with the recession and no jobs we should not be letting anymore in.
I will be leaving the UK if New Labour get in again at the next general election... as will anyone who has any sense !
The more that leave the country the better.
The British people have never been consulted over immigration. It feels as though our country is being taken. This is just unbearable. I plead with the government to stop what it is doing.
So this is how our government tries to stay the hordes of immigrants when our back is turned, discracefull and dishonest!
Tories called for an annual limit on the number of non-EU workers allowed into the country. Pointless, the EU leaks like a sieve, the limit should be on all immigration including relatives of immigrants already here. The figures quoted in the article are the usual smoke and mirrors.
So the child allowances for these non-resident kids will stop now???????
It must be bad in the UK if even the Eastern Europeans cant stand it But dont worry, it looks like there are plenty of benefit seekers arriving from Asia to more than replace them
Still more arriving than leaving so tight controls still needed!
"The equivalent of seven cities...." yes, and not even ones with British culture, the English language, or Christianity. And possibly not even English law by then.
Yes, 427,000 left the UK. But 255,000 of them were Brits. That's NuLabour for you. Driving out Brits and replacing them with immigrants.
It would all look nice but the problem is that those who leave find jobs elsewhere, so Britain loses employable tax payers. Those that stay are mostly unemployable and stay mainly because of generous welfare sucking the system further. In my particular case, I wanted to stay in Scotland after university but because of the ridiculous work permit restrictions back in 2001 I preferred to move to Canada. Now I am contributing to this country - not very much but still direct taxes only amount to GBP 10,000.00.
"But the number of new arrivals rose, with more than half-a-million people coming in, official statistics showed." That's a lot of people. Where are the jobs for them, haven't we already got 2.5m unemployed as it is? Not that any of that matters to our government, this is not about economics but about destroying British identity and increasing the Labour vote next election.
All the workers are leaving, to be replaced by Asylum Seekers and Illegal Immigrants who will join all the Benefits Cheats, Prisoners etc .. to further bankrupt and destroy this once great country. Thanks Mr Blair, Mr Brown. You have done a wonderful wrecking job.
The figures show that immigrants are flooding in and indigenous Britain's are leaving, who can blame them?
Phil Woolas you talk B*****ks.
There should be ZERO immigration. People who are needed to work should only be allowed to work here for a set period and then have to go home so others can have a chance, They should not be given citizenship or allowed to settle here with their families.
This Government will be held to account for the lack of control on immigration which has created unwelcome changes to our once great country. We are the laughing stock of the world for our free handouts. It annoys me to see young Afgans coming to this country when there is plenty of work for them in their own country in the Army and Security Services. Is it the intention of the Labour Party to try and retain their shabby hold on power by using the votes of these new arrivals. It is not surprising that BNP and UKIP are gaining potential voters. Ths Conservative Party should have a more forceful and definite policy if they wish to form the next government and not be part of a hung Parliament ?
If workers are leaving, who exactly is coming in? Shirkers to milk our wonderful benefits system? You see, it is not economic migrants that we should worry about; it is the uneconomic ones who take all and give nothing
These Poles dont care about this country and are just here for their own self indulgence, they have no warmth or patriotism to the flag and country. A lot of the money they make gets sent home, thus it doesnt stay in the economy.
We no longer believe the lies that Labour tell us about immigration, just a ploy to increase Labour voter numbers, trying to safeguard their own jobs.
But did not these labour crooks state that they have grip on millions pouring in to this overcrowded island. They must think we are all as pig thick as they are.
A 15 second snippet on the BBC's 1 o'Clock News. Despite the Government promising to cut immigration, it has risen again, yet the BBC chose to sweep yet another broken Labour promise under the carpet. Move along please, we are only interested in things like the chance the Tories have got the Islam hate schools funding facts confused. But another Labour Government mistake, shhssh. If the Tories were in power and figures showed a worsening situation, out would have come the graphs, the stats, the interviews, the broken promises would have been aired, the agitator on the street questioned etc. And we are forced to pay for this garbage.....
How many indigenous Brits left ? That would be an interesting figure now wouldn't it. It would also be interesting to know the religious beliefs & educational standards of the immigrants.
I want to apologise to the English British people. As a 3rd generation Cypriot I now understand how hard it must have been for you when the commonwealth countries were invited to come to the mainland to replace you as the workforce. I have apathy beyond belief as I watch semi literate and language deficient individuals serve me in government offices and supermarkets. The strain on the system is unbelievable.
This goverment could stop immigration, but so far it has not happened. The town nearest to where I live, is full of people of almost every nationality on this planet it seems, and I feel like I am the one of the minority. The amount of immigrants having children, and claiming benefits here is unreal. I sometimes wonder which country I am actually living in. I love England and what is happening to it, It is heartbreaking.
The country is down the pan. End of........
The most worrying part of all this is that no matter what these immigrants do, they cannot be deported and none of the major parties will ever change that. Thank goodness for UKIP, who will get a landslide at the next election.
Its not just the EU. Since when has Pakistan been in Europe? Why do we have our doors open to them and Africa? The EU doesn't demand that, so why when our Government isn't bound by a ridiculous 'freedom of movement' policy, do they do sweet FA about it? There's parts of this country that don't look British, or either European... they are more Middle Eastern looking, and its got to stop.
The Tory's failed in opposition to do anything about this !. The same Tory's are now failing in government to do anything about this !. Only UKIP have show any consistency in opposing any of this !. It's time to vote UKIP !.
Three cheers for Bl;air, Brown and the two twerp Eds.
All though it breaks my heart to say it this country is finished New loony labour put the final nail in the coffin and its too late to do anything about it. I would like to apologise to all those who fought and gave their lives for our freedom we have let you down badly.But on the bright we have same sex marriages I know you will be delighted.
Who else is incredibly angry at this treachery? I for one am, what angers me most is that they never asked for consent to ruin - yes ruin, this country - the arrogant, traitorous scum....
when we go to the ballot box we should remember the underhand way the labour party flooded this country with immigrants for there ends
Can someone tell me what exactly after 3 years in government has the LIB_CONS done to ease the " pain.".....NOTHING that's what...part of the plan? get a grip people 2015 is your say......shout it out LOUD AND CLEAR.
i long for my country of the 1950's. I will be glad when my time is up.Benefit cheats.rubbish mp's.Crap telly.And a country that is like an awful stew.If you only knew what it was like in the 60's. Wonderful.
Our leaders have no intention of doing anything about mass immigration and the strain will inevitably turn to rage and eventually violence. There is no excuse for this we are an island after all and these problems are of our own making and there are some very rich people who don't care about what's happening and are profiting enormously from the chaos created. On top of the enormous taxes we all pay this huge influx imposes an extra and more onerous toll in the form of a massive decline in our standard of living and quality of life, and norms of civilised behaviour.
And it wasn't just the transgenerational socio-economic costs that everyone bangs on about that has caused so much damage, it was the way Nu Labour legislated us, and allowed us to be legislated, into a straight jacket that prevented us from uttering the truth about what they were doing to us, and underpinned this vadalism of British society with the most vile cancer of political correctness....
The social vandalism committed by Nu Labour has to be forgotten. For sure, the residual dross from those dark years, including Balls, Miliband, Harman, Byrne, et al, must be cleared out of public offfice and have their pension rights removed, but we have to put this mess behind us. We are not going to get repatriation or any other such right wing extremist rubbish, but what we can do is insist that those who have come here live by our rules and customs, or at the very least ensure that our ways take precidence over theirs. We are a broadly secular/Christian society, and that is what has made us great, so we have to win back our culture.
Bad politicians!!!!!!, and Blair thinks he can walk back into the country that he could not wait to get away from him when he finished as an MP. That man ought be be swinging on a lamppost somewhere after what he has done to this country, see it did not get him any more labour votes did it? Just wait until the next election and see how the majority (just) of this country will vote, come on UKIP, EDL and all.. At least they speak the truth about the state we are in this country.
I was in London last weekend and when i got home by chance i saw a few minutes of Minder.. It was a stark contrast of how London was thirty years ago compared with today. Some may prefer London now to then but last weekend i felt like i was in a big human zoo.
Social engineering is and has been an evil influence that crept into our lives to benefit no one; but cause misery for tens of millions. Socialism is a failed theory which would have required politicians to be perfect; but that never will be possible as we see the corruption increase in proportion to their power.
Tim typical of the so called liberal left.Either part of the big scam that benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poorest or more likely one of the elites useful idiots.Maybe a 2 week holiday in Tower Hamlets may open his eyes to the hell holes that many inner cites and towns have become.
If you want to live in England emigrate to New Zealand and leave the ruination behind. Yes I live in the US but I can state that NZ is as close to the English way of life as you can get. The real England is a lost cause it's gone forever.
You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it. - dodgeswolf, London, United Kingdom, You might be weak willed and pathetic, but many true Brits aren't, and won't. UKIP's the only way, and maybe our last stand.
yes it is time to stop all but essential imigration, but the tories will not do this as it keeps wages low
Yes, and if you let them in again, they'll do exactly the same. UKIP!!
The Con/Lab/Lib are in all but name Marxists! UKIP is our only hope,end of story!!!
our labor government here in oz...have abandoned all border control...you have three ways they enter your country,road/rail,air,sea...we have two air,sea....don't let the barbarian's over run your borders...England god bless you....cheers...
It always the same, governments take years to see what the public have known and have been saying, yet they pay out £millions to consultants rather than take notice of the electorate. Well come the next election their dreams will be shattered, UKIP will be in charge.
The cost is my family have 2 weeks until we will be evicted by DIO from the service married quarter we are living in and even though we will be homeless with our 6 grandchildren we have care of the council have nothing for us as we have many migrants that have to be housed! and the local letting agencies have nothing as people are snapping up the rental lettings as they want the children to attend the local schools, all I can say is the whole place wants putting in a bag and given a good shake and sort out the chaff from the wheat. Get something sorted and get us the house we require to care for our family and no we dont claim benefits we work- maybe thats our mistake!
'You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it.- dodgeswolf , London, United Kingdom, 05/7/2013 09:10' So when did Somalia, Congo, Bangladesh, Nigeria join the EU? Migration from EU member states accounts for only one third of the current total. The government bleats that they can't control immigration by EU nationals, but they could do something to control the rest. Their lack of action however suggests that they don't want to and have no intention of imposing controls. In the meantime the rest of us have to put up with consequences without complaint for fear of being labelled racist.
Currently we have a population of around 63 million. Nobody knows exactly how many, especially the government. Now a population of 79 million has been projected for the middle of the century which would make us bigger than Germany (which is portrayed as desirable) although we have only about half the land area of Germany, and as somehow unstoppable. Do you really want to live in, or have your grandchildren live in, a Britain that over-populated?
The end result of the process of so called democratisation in the Middle East can only with almost total certainty guarantee for each of the countries of the Middle East a civil war. This is written in and proven by history. When Great Britain gave Islamic countries their independence the independence came with what turned out for the people's of those countries to be a ball and chain that did not fit the Islamic culture. In each state democracy was overthrown and the old system was restored, often in damaged condition when compared to the systems that existed before British rule. Democracy has to begin by respecting the sovereignty and individuality of each nation state in the world. Only then can each nation state govern itself. The present day arrogance of the west resembles the arrogance that gave rise to the Second World War where first one state, then a group of states, sought to impose their systems and beliefs on other nation states. We should under no circumstances touch Syria
We won't leave Europe. Cameron has been instructed by Bilderberg not to leave. Look at the change in reporting and attitude since Bilderberg. I don't have a tinfoil hat and I used to laugh at the conspiracies, but this is just too obvious to ignore!
Yes, the Home Office report does identify 7 hot spots where the high number of migrants is putting a strain on local services, but the report then goes on to say - 'However, migration may also benefit some of the moderate or low migration areas. For example, the population of ¿Rural and Coastal Retirement Areas¿ is aging, and in some of these areas the arrival of migrant families and children might help to keep rural schools open, while migrant workers can make a valuable contribution to the provision of services and to the local economy'. That must have been the point at which the Daily Mail stopped reading, having already obtained the material it needed for yet another chance to show migrants in a negative light.
It is so evident to the average person, ie those that work for a living in a regular job, that we are suffering and if not directly affected know people who are, whether it be schooling, medical or job related. So the party that stops trying to justify halting immigration for all but essential needs will get a lot of votes.
Any chance of a comment from the lady in Rochdale who Brown called a bigot? She supported Labour all her life and no doubt still holds to her original socialist principles as do millions of others but the immigration policies of Blair/Brown/Milliband are clearly wrong. Many Labour supporters will not vote for the Party in 2015 and could not bring themselves to vote Tory. Maybe some will vote UKIP though most of them imho, will probably not bother to vote at all.
Labour never to be trusted again after allowing mass uncontrolled largely unskilled immigration, Con/Lib never to be trusted again for not stopping it. Fight for your children and grandchildren's futures - don't vote for the any of the above!!!
Few countries are as badly served by their parlaiment, as England. Our identity has effectively been erased. We deserve so much better from our MPs. The real;ity is that until the electorate choose the cnadidates. we are simply pawns of the party machines.
There should be a reckoning one day for the treachery of the political class
You are now European we are one big happy family and your fellow Europeans problem is all our problem....get used to it.
Nothing will happen about this, absolutely nothing. Until all three of the main parties are out of the way, this will carry on and on and on... Vote UKIP, if you want this to change. I'm only glad I don't live in the UK anymore, it's just my family and friends that I worry for.
Pay immigrants nothing and let them have access to nothing unless they have been here, contributing via taxes, for at least five years, and start rolling that back to include all those currently living on benefits. Employ more people to chase the illegals and overstayers, and remove them without argument. In a word, get TOUGH. That should see numbers fall.- Jane ROBERTS , Oxford, 05/7/2013 07:05 > I totally agree we need to get tough - very tough. There are many thousands of "illegals" already here that are in this position. They work for unscrupulous employers and live in squalor provided by unscrupulous landlords. THOSE are the people to bring to justice in order to end the abuses of our immigration system. It is an age-old problem, just like so many others. If thieves could not sell "scrap" they wouldn't steal metal. If burglars could not sell stolen goods they wouldn't steal. Whatever the problem is - there is a solution but our government is looking in the wrong place for it.
IMMIGRATION is totally destroying this good country of Britain.Put the BRITISH people first !!! Restore national pride in every way !!!
There's no getting away from it, but the most deep-seated, undesirable AND unwanted change to our country has been instigated and then fostered by the last Labour government, to a point where many indigenous citizens now feel strangers in their own land! And what a total disgrace it is that major areas and cities like Birmingham are calculated to become "white minority" area within just a few years! What a legacy for any political Party to have - to have turned their own country into an unrecognisable State - and just for their own political ends - with anyone voting for them being complicit in that outcome! And nothing seems to change in that Party either, with the continuing Tammany Hall politics, as in Falkirk, rearing it's ugly head again, with Unite's placemen being lined-up for all the available seats - irrespective of what the "leader" Miliband wants! What a degraded country all of us have allowed to come about, what with our own apathy and submission to bribery!
Yes, Miliband and co are utterly unfit to govern,but.....WHY are they consistently ahead in the polls? should he become PM, there will only be one man to blame, CAMERON. He embarked on his idiotic campaign of modernisation, social engineering, green policies, overseas aid, culling the military and trying to con the electorate on the EU. Add on top of this his serial rudesness and ignorance towards his core support and UKIP defectors and we have the perfect storm for our PM. This backwoodsman will continue to vote UKIP.
Do not be fooled. Labour get their strings pulled as much as any other political party. Its the Establishment that is to blame, and thats all 3 parties, so it would have happened anyway. Get rid of all the parasites.
Nick Clegg is a bloody fool - over promoted and WAY out of his depth.
There's not a hope of Cameron's defying the EU and refusing to let Romania and Bulgaria export their social problems to the UK. Firstly, he hasn't got the guts to defy Brussels. Secondly, he is wedded to the idea that the UK must stay in the EU and have 'influence.' Thirdly, he doesn't serve the British people, he serves The Establishment - and they won't allow it. If you want firm action that puts the interests of the BRITISH people first, the only Party Leader who will do it is that nice Mr Farage that Grayling is warning us about. If you want change, you have to vote for it. LibLabCON want us IN the EU and forced to allow 500 million people the right to live in the UK. UKIP wants us OUT and able to control our borders. Use your vote wisely.
Pay immigrants nothing and let them have access to nothing unless they have been here, contributing via taxes, for at least five years, and start rolling that back to include all those currently living on benefits. Employ more people to chase the illegals and overstayers, and remove them without argument. In a word, get TOUGH. That should see numbers fall.
And meanwhile Israel must be laughing up its sleeve. All of its enemies blood-soaked in ruin and chaos, thanks to the great "liberal interventionists", American, Britain and the European Union, who fostered, championed and aided and abetted the so-called Arab Spring!!
They won't though but ukip would simple
The MPs don't care because it has no effect on their lives as their position and money insulates them.
Mass immigration of EU citizens, many of whom are uneducated or poor, obviously costs the country a fortune. But at least this can be blamed on treaty obligations. How can mass immigration of uneducated third world citizens who will never be self-sufficient ever be justified? Would anyone like to estimate the cost?
They could not run a kids tea party, and they are self governing!
Ok. So now they know what we all knew years ago. But what are they going to do about it? First close the borders, then several senior members of previous governments need to be indicted for treason, Re-nationalise the utilities and the railways and finally the staged reduction of the population down to sensible levels for these small islands. This will make us leaner and fitter (and greener), reduce our reliance on foreign fuels and imports, and reduce or eradicate unemployment. The NHS will be under less pressure as will housing, the roads, schools and general infrastructure. If the politicians won't listen, perhaps its time we had a word with the army. Egyptian-Style!
Just understanding the concerns of the public's worry on immigration is not good enough. What action will they take ? saying no to Europe over the Romanian issue ? Get real . Getting rid of bogus arrival's and undesirables.? Get real . This lot are just as bad as Blair and Brown on this, and we are all " Bigot's" for demanding action on this problem.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is an orchestrated plan, and the tories do defy the EU and refuse to allow the Romanians entry, to try to win over the voters and take the 2015 election. It will not happen though, UKIP will win the keys to No10 and UKIP will free us from EU legislation. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the EU didn't disband completely anyway. I am sensing a period of 'dog eat dog' mentality on the horizon. I wouldn't want to be a resident of either Spain or Portugal right now, as both countries are looking very vulnerable.
Along with the indigineous people of these islands Labour have also betrayed the immigrants who came to thses shores in the 50/60/70s who put up with racism back then and yet have contibuted to our society paid taxes and raised children who have acheived professionaly, founded businesses, and helped the sporting success of the UK. Sadly these people will be tarnished by the complete shambles that Labour have made of immigration.
Cameron and Sarkozy are entirely to blame for Syria because of their ill-conceived and naively stupid involvement in Libya for political gain, After Libya, a whole plethora of North African States involved themselves in attempted coups to displace their respective governments with the expectation that the 'West' would move in and help them in their quest. This has resulted in the replacement of several governments who may not have been entirely pleasant but were relatively stable. Now virtually all of North Africa is in turmoil as is much of the Horn of Africa and many of the more stable governments are still in jeopardy. Even the more benign State of Jordan came close to an uprising purely because everyone else appeared to be doing it. Harsh though it may seem after so many deaths, the West must cease to involve itself in conflicts that politicians simply do not understand. Further involvement will most certainly end up with an increase of fighting whilst expecting Western aid.
It's England's hospitals and schools at breaking point. It's England's towns and cities changed beyond all recognition. It's the English who are completely ignored in their own land. Still the word "England" is missing from the immigration debate.
If I had my way we would be out of the EU and they would all be going home, from every nation, 3 million extra jobs, less strained infrastructure, and more rights for the English to have a say in the way WE wish to live in OUR country....
Britain needs to build an extremely large and UNCOMFORTABLE camp to house all these criminals and illegals. NO TV or computers, games or visitors. VERY uninteresting food, locked up 20 hours a day, and only VERY minimal heating. First time caught 1 year then send them home the cheapest way possible. If they come back a second time then 7 years.....I doubt you would get too many coming back for seconds.
Eh, its because you are white Ewa, you are the only ethnic minority we are allowed to pick on. "What I don't understand is why is it always about Polish - there is hundreds of another nationalities living in UK and media constantly pick on Poles." Ewa
Use face recognition units on every Polish person who arrives in the country at immigration. If a criminal they can be refused entry and at the carrier's cost who brought them to Britain, sent away again. - Jim Diamond, Cambridge UK, 20/2/2010 13:32 Good idea - while there at it perhaps the Spanish immigration can do the same for every UK person who arrives here with a criminal record. There are enough here to fill at least 100 of these planes.
Well folks welcome to the new europe no borders and hardly no checks so people like these can come here in the first place my wife is hopping mad as she is american and paid to come over here visa and all in short maybe is she had of come over as something else she could of saved her spent money.while closing the border controls and other forms of checks is good in one thing it is bad in more ways close the borders and bring back hard looking checks.I like the polish great looking girls but I suppose you get that in england too good and bad I mean !.
If you were in their shoes, wouldnt you come and take the easy option and pillage our shores. We are a soft touch, too scared to upset anyone (unless its about oil) Serves us right for electing such a weak government in the first place If after the general election this continues - we will only have ourselves to blame
Zach, Buckinghamshire - what part of "Police said some of the Poles - who have come here in large numbers since the expansion of the EU in 2004 allowed them free rights of movement - are wanted back home for serious crimes." don't you understand? These people have commited crimes in Poland, run over here to the UK to hide in the hope of getting away with it. I can't understand why the British have to pay anything for this. The Polish Government should be sent a bill for the £25million to pay for the services rendered, oh and don't forget to add the 17.5% VAT to that. This would sure help reduce our deficit!!!
I don't understand how this could happen. The UK never signed the Schengen agreement. I am an expat. When I come to visit, I have to show my British passport, which is passed through a screening process to ensure that it is valid. The entry of 'undesirables' is possible in all the countries that signed up, including Switzerland. Why, if the government did not join the Schengen 'community' to protect the UK, has this situation come about?
I find English very hostile towards Polish. I'm Polish myself and many time I've heard unpleasant comments about people from my country. However I do understand English getting angry with situations like this or immigration issues. I Believe that UK borders should be tightened' and no criminal under no circumstances should be allowed to get to England. What I don't understand is why is it always about Polish - there is hundreds of another nationalities living in UK and media constantly pick on Poles. I hear it, I see it and deal with it every day. I'm sick of it and I feel awful. I'm not feeling comfortable or save in this country any more. I never claimed the benefits and I've been working hard. I love England, but I feel like moving out. Currently I'm preparing to move out to NZ, although I don't really want to go. I don't want to live in Poland either - there is too many such as the criminals in this article...
Once the election is over and Labour are defeated I hope these planes are still flying we can put the likes of Gormless Gordon and his morons along with the rest of the criminal element from this country onto them, and ship them all out that will be money well spent .
I would have thought the obvious answer to this otherwise laudable exercise was the make all costs incurred in the handling of these people incumbent upon the country demanding their extradition. I'm pretty sure the Polish Government would pretty quickly find a let out in their constitution once the bills started coming in? I quite like the Poles in fact, and we owe them one for the War anyway.
Foreigners including those of the EU should be expelled for committing crimes in the UK. Our useless government cannot even manage this. Result, the prisons now have 40% foreign criminals who are alowed to stay n the UK to commit more crime after completing their sentence! Those foreign criminals who manage not to visit a uk gaol just run amok in our communities.
Claw the money back from the budget of the Border Controls Agency for letting them into the UK in the first place.
The problem is lie-bours betrayal of our country. When they were elected in 1997 they already had their treasonous plan in hand and immediately set about putting their plan into action. blair took down the treason laws, they corrupted everything they touched, they flooded the country with immigrants from many countries even allowing known terrorists in. blairs plan was to destroy our culture and our country by opening the flood gates and allowing anyone in while brown worked to bankrupt the country, they were working for enemies of our country and allowing a takeover by foreign governments and their reward for doing this, blair was promised the eu presidency and brown got to play God, these men, in fact everyone in this government should be jailed for treason! No one government elected or unelected should be allowed to change the laws or bring in new laws without the say so of British subjects, not immigrants who are paid to
....And all the time my 39 year son - who lost his job, can't afford his council tax, can't afford he utility bills on his 50GBP social security hand-out every week, can't afford his rent, can't afford food!!! Yes, he was born and bred in England - but is treated like a second class citizen because all the benefits are going to the Benelux, Eastern Europe, spongers - all genuine Brits, who are really on the bread line are left to literally starve...What an example the Labour party has shown - total corruption, total ignorance....Get the BNP party in right away and throw in a revolution while you are at it...The law-abiding Brit is too easy going, too gullible for their own good....Time to act NOW!!!!!
The airlifts take these criminals off our streets. It will insure that most of them stay back in Poland.
Close the border to ALL immigrants till youve sorted out the illegals already here, then maybe we can get this country back on track.iF WE HAVE TO PAY TO GET RID OF THEM ITS CHEAPER THAN KEEPING THEM, BUT ARE THEY FLIGHING FIRST CLASS AT THESE PRICES ???
If this criminals had been allowed to stay the uneducated right wing that read the Mail would have been up in arms
This can't just be happening between the UK and Poland, surely it must occur between all EU countries. Why aren't their passports invalidated and their photographs and details passed between all countries? We have body scanners, and face-recognition software has been around for some years. Also, why aren't the countries who incur the costs of tracking and arresting them billing the requesting countries? If all EU countries treated criminals in the same way a lot of this could be stopped.
I still can't comprehend the stupidity of this government in allowing unlimited migration from eastern Europe when Germany and France had limited the numbers they would allow to enter. Where else did this government think the Poles and other EU nationals would go if they couldn't get to France and Germany? Such short-sighted stupidity from this government.
I wish all the 'ex-pats' would stop complaining if you dont live in the UK you have no right to an opinion on the matter........... by the way just because your from the UK doesnt give you a privelidged right to be an 'ex-pat'.......... your an immigrant !!
Tony Blair has a lot to answer for, being hell bent on letting all these undesirables in this country willy nilly!
To be honest, nothing surprises me any more. Nu Labour - you couldn't make it up!
Like a great many English people I have no England to return to. It has gone destroyed by the Labour Party and the EU. To date i have lived in the USA Germany Thailand Singapore Japan Kuwait Indonesia and Australia. I have never seen a mess like this in any of those countries. If it is possible for country to go mad England has done so. The question is what are you going to do about the people who are destroying the country? Other nations would have been on the streets by now.
I agree with Kathy in Dorset, the only problem might be that they get new identities and passports. Whats needed is to make the UK much less attractive for immigrants, like NO Benefits, NO houses, NO Health treatment until they have paid in at least 5 years NI. While were at it NO Labour Governement.
why use a plane , give them a rowing boat and map ? stop immigration! out of europe !
Importing workers to do low paid jobs means the pay is to low for our own workers to live by our standards and so they wont do those jobs. The solution is clear:- pay higher wages don't import workers, and let the rich have a few less millions in profits. - Sensible person, London, 20/2/2010 11:50 You idiot, workers are not imported like Tesco imports your bananas. Workers are free to travel and UK workers live & work all over the european union not to mention the world. Pay people more ? nobody forces you to hire the polish plumber or builder. You want to pay more then fine you do. I would rather have same service or better at lower cost and that is how the normal world works ( except government and those who owe their wages thanks to the tax payer and so believe its ok to keep paying more taxes for lesser public services)
Arthur O - Sunderland - 11.29 Trouble is Arthur- Rynair may put them down in a place they didn't want to be, like the Canary Islands!!!
Use face recognition units on every Polish person who arrives in the country at immigration. If a criminal they can be refused entry and at the carrier's cost who brought them to Britain, sent away again.
If the Poles want these people back at any cost, why can't they pay for it? If we sent them a bill, it would probably stop quick enough. Then we need to protect out borders better. Obviously NuLab want all these criminals here for their "diversity policy", so that means we need a change of government. Election now!
When did our government get so spineless it has to plead with a third rate economic power to stop sending their criminals to us. Last time I looked we were a nuclear power with quite a formidable army. Think it's time we started to up the pressure a little.
The Tories will be no better. Instead of grasping the nettle & do what has to be done they are so afraid of offending anyone or any group for fear of losing votes they will do nothing. They have'nt got the intelligence to sus out that if they say what almost everybody in the country knows what has to be done they would have a landslide victory. Why have another 5 years of damage by voting Tory? Vote BNP this time. It dose'nt matter if they only get us out of the EU & sort immigration & make the police do their job, we can weather the rest Lets face facts. Nobody could run (Sorry I mis-spelt it. It shoud have said ruin) the country as bad as this lot of morons.
Cheers for Poland at least their doing the right thing and having them back. even with our officials doing their best to try and stop them. Can we get Rumania and a few others to do the same?
There is no good reason why these criminals should be allowed to get back into Britain, what about the fingerp[rints and eye scans which operate in the U.S. We, two, senior citizens not the most likely looking criminals were held up for ages on our last visit to America and only allowed to go through with no explanation for the delay, until the customs were satisfied that we were genuine, legal visitors, AND they had seen our passports on previous occasions. Operate this system here and it will soon stop the rif-raf of the world thinking that Britainn is a soft touch. Do it NOW
This is just another example of the Americanisation of the UK, I don't mean any reference to the "Con-air" movie, but as in the U.S. where they rely upon migrant labour for the menial tasks. This increases the flow of "unwanted or illegal aleins" into the states and thus has an impact on crime, housing, education, NHS, benefits etc. All of which cost the tax-payer dearly. you can argue that the immigrants are contributing tax etc, to the benefit of the UK, but you can also use the same argument for smokers, that they contribute more tax revenue than their illnesses drain from the NHS. The poles in my village now live on benefits and don't want to work, they subsidise their income by shop-lifting all-round the northeast and selling in local pubs, this I imagine, will be the case all around the U.K. To all supporters of the imigrant culture dragging the UK further into the abyss, it's time to open your eyes and at least see it happening in your locality. Rant over now!
why isnt our goverment asking the polish goverment for a refund of the costs our taxpayers have to pay out we already pay enough out for the polish with paying out for children who dont even reside in this country its time our goverment said enough is enough your criminals you pay the costs
So roughly speaking and based on the figures above it costs £100,000 per Pole deported. Now I know our Civil Service is well paid and receives handsome bonuses but I would be really grateful if someone could please justify this cost.
labours had it, and us being in the eu is the stupidist idea, lets hope the tories get in or even better still bnp
Does anybody know how much we pay per annum to clean up Krakow after English drunkards?
Another example of where the European Arrest warrant was abused. over 100 days in an unsanitary Hungarian prison.. The UK is a disgrace. Cares little for the wellbeing of its own citizens but can fork out 25million on someone elses. Look on the bright side.. Not long till the country chooses again.
" Why when they are shipped out are there names not put on the list of BARRED people from the UK? " Poland is a full member state of the EU. Like it or not, the Poles have a legal right to live in the UK. Therefore, they cannot be " Banned " from being here. Any more than you can be " banned " from Poland. That's what the European Union means ! ie We have no internal national frontiers. Like it or not, we are in a European Union. " God Bless The United States of Europe " (The worlds largest economy)
its funny how when everything goes pear shaped the immigrants are to be blamed. High pay or no high pay there are some people in this country who are not willing to change and become ambitious about having a better life (education) plays an most important part in all this. Sit at home no job, luxury, or money will come to you, work you will get what you want. the choices that people make in their lives reflects how they think.
Put habitutal criminals on specific farms and in shops and let them work out their fines, debts to the country, give back to the community in goods and services.. as they are processed to leave again. That won't be so much fun or hospitable.
STOP THE FREE HOUSING AND BENEFIT HANDOUTS, AND THE PROBLEM WILL DISAPPEAR...ITS EASY...AND THEN MY HARD EARNED STATE PENSION MAY JUST BE INCREASED IN LINE WITH THE COST OF LIVING...IM SICK TO DEATH OF SEEING THIS LOT HAVE WHAT I HAVE WORKED HARD AS A NURSE FOR ALL OF MY LIFE.
another labour failure
All the Polish criminals after being sent back to Poland, no doubt turn round and come straight back to the UK, once they have served their time. Why are the UK borders so damned leaky, seems to be perforated like chicken wire. We need a border patrol similar to that as used by the once Communist Russia, that will do nicely thank you. Then maybe the indigenous citizens of the UK can reclaim our country and prosper once again.
Another vote for UKIP - Anne, North Yorkshire, 20/2/2010 11:42 no my dear................ another ten votes for the BNP
Just to remind you that there is an election coming up. Also, Labour are NOT deporting these people at all, Labour do not deport they only import. These criminals have been arrested on international arrest warrants issued by Poland which the UK HAVE to comply with. As was also stated in the article, most of them are back here in the UK claiming benefits etc within a few days. BNP for me in the coming election.
Labour didnt do anything UK moans when people come into this country you all moan when they are getting them out of this country, UK moans about which government party is in power or who could do better to control such situations instead of looking at individual own problems some people find someone to blame. What difference will it make whoever comes into power nothing will change all these different parties that want to take over wont make a difference its all the same. Lets all move on with our individual lives we are all going to leave this earth anyway nothing lasts forever make the best of it all.
The UK would not be in this position if the government of the day closed our doors to all and sundry. Its not just Labour, although they are the worst culprits in leaving our doors open.
We should bill the Polish Govenment for flights, and stop these criminals getting back into this country. We have enough criminals of our own,the labour govenment are as useful has a chocolate fireguard.
is the same story we got here in Italy ...with the romanian's albanians,etc... have fun...
I do hope the government's sorted them out on the electoral role before they departed. It would be a shame all those Labour postal votes going to waste. Oh! I forgot! They'll be back as soon as they've done their bit of porridge, so no problems there.
Another nonsence . Over zealos police and government adhearing to every crossed T and dot of another EU directive . They should deport the serious and dangerous cases and tell the Poles to come and get the rest . Even better get Ryan air to do the flights they would never return . In Spain the chances of the police even catching anyone would be astonishing the chances of two departments even being able to then plan and agree their repatriation would never happen .Dont blame the EU blame our Government who cant wait to install everything from the EU imeadiatly. The reason why? we have to many civil servants and governmnet officials and the police are not targeting the problems,they go for easy results . The answer common sence but that is something you must never have if working for the state. they are a bunch of inadequate jobsworths sitting out their time to pension - Davidmalaga spain, 20/2/2010 9:00 That's right mate & we could save money on schoolteachers too.
Send them back on budget flights and save millions and I am not even an economist. Next problem please. A widespread survey shows 60 leading Labour economists agree with me but only 20 leading Tory economists disagree.
The poles have commited the crime in the UK so they should serve their prison sentence here. Why send them back?
We have so much to be grateful for for years of Labour government. We have..er....well we have .......er..... er.........
To all you brain dead people. It's up to the Poles to stop them leaving Poland by air. As for the land route, we'd need to be supplied a watch list by the Polish authorities, then they could not enter. To shut the borders is an impossibility. Plastic Dave and his Tory lackies won't change a thing. The BNP are never going to change or rule in the UK.
The only solutions are shut the borders and get out of the EU. There has been far too many problems since UK joined the EU with few actual benefits. The UK and other countries (Ireland) are awash with low life who have fled their countries purely because they are "wanted" or "dodgy" and want to reap the rewards of their criminal misdermeaners over here. They should all go back to the own countries where they are wanted.... cos they certained are wanted or needed over here.
I wonder how much our Government, Er sorry, our taxpayers paid the Polish government to take back there criminals? Is there an election on the horizon.
Disgraceful! They have committed the crimes in the UK so they should serve their prison sentences here regardless of cost.
_ R Wells, Newcastle, I couldn't agree with you more. We are a dumping ground for all the criminals and drop outs no one else will have. Close the borders, get rid of Labour, get out of the EU. And let's get back to being Great Britain again.
We have no money for our old folk many of whom can't even afford to heat their homes. No money for life saving drugs, or low cost housing for British first time buyers etc. I could go on and on but you get the picture. Yet we always have enough tax payers cash to waste!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason I am voting BNP in the coming election is because they are the ONLY party that will put an end to this madness! Think how much better off we would be if we withdrew from the EU. In a 10 year period we gave the EU £104 billion, can you imagine that? The bill will also get higher not lower. What exactly do we get back? I really can't think of anything! We get millions of unwanted immigrants from the EU with everything stacked in THEIR favour. Just imagine, millions of jobs available for British workers as opposed to workers from the EU and everywhere else. Billions saved in benefits etc as they would no longer be here claiming them. Thousands of empty council houses to house our own people. GREAT
Wow, the Poles are being criticized by the British Police for pursuing even minor offenders. So we shall just let them stay shall we like all the Albanian pimps , Rwandan war criminals, Jamaican drug gangs, need I go on ?
...and I bet they come straight back again!
Try these flights to other countries too deport all criminals, whatever country they come from, the cost should be paid by the Labour party as they imported them, might make a large hole in their election budget.
The Polish government should pay for the repatriation of Polish nationals, not the British taxpayer.
Surely this would be best served by using the Airbus A380 Aircraft - The double decker Super-Jumbo?
Meanwhile Gordon Brown wonders how he lead Britian into economic crisis!! We work and Gordon Brown decides our hard earned cash on this!!!!
The reason is because he knows the result will be overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the EU - but can HE or Brown explain, without being condescending to the people of Britain or insulting our intelligence, why Britain should remain in the EU - Stan, Spain, 20/2/2010 11:44 I'm sorry but whose laws and whose way of life? Bearing in mind your address I think that's a little hypocritical don't you? Have you ever thought about that from a Spanish point of view. Of course not.
And our home-grown do-gooders wonder why many middle-class people, like myself and my wife, will be voting BNP at the next election. Neither one of us wants to do it. But what alternatives are there? Labour? A confirmed bunch of lying, cheating, swindling, English-hating parasites that all should be hung for treason (especially Blair). Tories? Just an extension of Labour really. Cameron already reneging on his original promises, in particular the promise of a referendum regarding the EU. The rest are not worth a mention. The BNP are the only party promising to return England to the English - thats will do for me!
The accomodation is far to good for them send them home via the Channel Tunnel and then by sealed coach. If they return a manditory 5 years hard labour. Could do this if we were not in the EU save £125,000,000 per day and made our own Laws.
Anyone not born in this country, if convicted of a crime in this country, deport immediately. If their home country doesn't want them back leave them at the airport of their own country, or give them a parachute and boot in the backside over their country's airspace. A once only cost and no re-admissions. As for the associated costs of this scheme, the country seeking their nationals back should pay. If they are convicted of an offence in their own or other country, they don't come back in. We have enough dross of our own, we don't want more.
Stan, Spain, 20/2/2010 12:44 Funny,that you are in Spain exactly because UK is in the EU You have to realise that once UK has left the EU you will have to leave Spain as well.Or you will have to get in the line for residence permit after thousands and thousands of latins and africans.
VOTE UKIP
The reason behind having millions of migrants coming to the UK is the raw fact that British workers won't work as low skilled on low wages. Pay higher wages and the problem is over.
WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING POLAND ISNT PAYING THEY ARE USING POLISH MILITARY PLANES iTS THE ADMIN FEE THESE LOT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IF THIS WAS THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAYING THE ADMIN FEE FOR POLAND TO SEND BACK BRITISH CRIMINALS WHAT WOULD YOU PEOPLE SAY LOOK WE NEED TO SEND CRIMINALS BACK HOME IF THERE IS NO WAR IN THEIR COUNTRY.. BUT THIS ARTICLE IS HIGHLY MISLEADING AS EXPLAINED IN MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE
Its not rocket science of how to stop all this nonsence. Labour have failed this country totally and anyone who thinks they will win the election is deluded. Why when they are shipped out are there names not put on the list of BARRED people from the UK? if they are criminals then not much chance of getting a job here so what use are they to us? As soon as they leave the UK thats it, no coming back in, name on list and if they try to enter the country again it is flagged and comes up on computer. Is this to hard or am i deluded? This country has been ruined and the sooner liebour go the better..Totally shambles.
shut the boarders then! over subscribed schools, increased benefit payouts, higher levels of crime, a country that is buckling under its own weight due to labour.
1) Get Labour out of government and 2) Get out of the EU And if the Tories don't sort this out we will have a BNP government within 5 years who will.
Stupid stupid UK government, it is so easy to control immigration!!! - AM, London UK, 20/2/2010 11:22 Of course it is. Does anyone seriously believe this is happening by accident?
Il take it that we then hand the 25 million pound bill to Poland then do we?
Importing workers to do low paid jobs means the pay is to low for our own workers to live by our standards and so they wont do those jobs. The solution is clear:- pay higher wages don't import workers, and let the rich have a few less millions in profits.
I have yet to hear any convincing reasons from politicians as to exactly WHY Britain is in the EU. Without waffling and wide generalisations can any politician explain xactly what the advantages are and what the disadvantages are. It seem there are few advantages and many more disadvantages. Disadvantages, amonst many others: 1] Huge increases in cimes with the added enormous expenses in law enforcement. 2] Our laws being overidden by EU laws many of which are childish, stupid and detrimental for Britain. 3] Astromical costs to Britain with little benefit. 4] Our way of life and culture being invaded 5] etc. etc. Why has Cameron renaged on his "cast iron" promise to hold a referendum on the subject? The reason is because he knows the result will be overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the EU - but can HE or Brown explain, without being condescending to the people of Britain or insulting our intelligence, why Britain should remain in the EU
What about all the other foreign criminals here that we the taxpayers are paying for to stay in their luxury cells. Deport them as well.
Why doesn't the country that requests the extradition pay for their transport ? that would soon stop them making frivolous requests for motoring offenders.
Another vote for UKIP
"Britiain wanted to profit from cheap labour,and it did.So,dont complain now.This was the decision of the democratically elected Labour goverment." - sven This is not a democratically-elected government - Brown forced himself upon us, we had NO say! We WILL complain, because the PEOPLE of Britain never wanted this!
So don't complain when a "Brit" is arrested in another country ad sent home for criminal behaviour. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
At least the Poles try to catch criminals no matter where they are and what the crime. Yet our police are complaining about "trivial offences". They were quick to respond to Cheryl and Ashley Cole's house when it was targetted by burglars, but not to anti-social behaviour on our streets every night. Ok, I digress a little. So much for our "Border Controls". Criminals should be barred entry to any other country in the EU.
Importing workers to do low paid jobs means the pay is to low for our own workers to live by our standards and so they wont do those jobs. The solution is clear:- pay higher wages don't import workers, and let the rich have a few less millions in profits.
I am almost certain that if the UK left the EU and "closed its boarders" foreign criminals will never enter the country. After all if there is one thing that even the most hardened and vicious criminals repect it is national boarders...
11,500 foreign prisoners at £38753 per year average cost.Yet the US can do it for 28000 dollars,maybe our prisons are too nice. Well done Poland though for sending a plane.
Send them back with Ryanair and they would not be so quick to return
"Don't let any foreigners into BRITAIN unless they have work to go to ........" - m t, uk, 20/2/2010 10:10 The 'skill shortage' is one of the great lies we have been told in recent years. If there are x millions unemployed in the UK then train them to do the jobs. The reason for the influx of foreign labour is because employers wanted cheap workers and to avoid training. If there is a skill shortage then how is it that skilled graduates in their 50s like me can't find employment? Answer: because of aegism in the UK and because it's cheaper to employer younger people and foreigners.
Quite frankly, if the Polish military are willing to fly these fugitives back and keep them in their own gritty Polish prisons I'm content. There don't seem to be many other countries willing to take back their share of criminals. I don't see Turkish and Albanian military aircraft making weekly trips to Biggin Hill Airport. And in any case I've never really had a reason to gripe about the Polish minority here. They seem to integrate well and in general seem to work hard rather than rob the taxpayer blind and sit on benefits. Of course, any minority, any surge of migrants, any ethnic group is bound to have a few rotten apples. But its nice to see that the Poles are doing their part and not just dumping their criminals here, leaving our police, our prisons and our judicial system to deal with it all completely alone.
Ha ha ha ha Hee hee hee hee hee (slaps leg) You have to laugh don't you, or you cry? BNP Here we come - save us from this madness and get Labour OUT!!!
Stupid stupid UK government, it is so easy to control immigration!!! My friend IS British passport holder, she went to stay with her German boyfreind in Germany but in order to stay there, she needed to register and allowed to stay not more than 45 days!!! WHY? Because German government is thinking about GERMAN people, not about HUMAN RIGHTS of losers from all EU and the rest of the world!!! PLeeezzzze, someone come and save this still wonderful country!!!!!!
Whats the betting half of them will be back by the summer.
I think that some people are never happy. In my experience of life things often do tend to cost money. I also think that sending them back to their own country for trial and punishment is better than than here. It would be wrong if they were using a RAF aircraft, which they aren't and I bet if it was the other way round the UK would be bringing our lot home via BA not uncomfortable and noisy military aircraft.
Simpler and more cost efficient solution is to leave the EU and drastically tighten our borders. - skint, Broken Britain, 19/2/2010 22:24 OK. Do you not think that every country in Europe might then start to send back Brits who live in EU countries and have the same right of movement as Poles and others do to here? And how quickly we forget the so-called Costa Del Crime...
Dont send them home and the Mail complains Send them home and the Mail complains Make up your mind for once BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT A CRIME IN THE UK OR ARE WANTED ABROAD NEED TO BE SENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AS LONG AS THERE IS NO ONGOING WAR OR CONFLICT dont find every little reason to critise the government and the figure of 210 is so low considering the number of Pole in this country you than say it will cost us £25 million but in 2007 it cost £300 000
typical of our government
I am Lithuanian and respect this country for letting me live here and have a better life than I would backhome. Therefore I respect it's law, my english is perfect, I have a well respected job and what on earth is up with all these Easties who come here and commit crimes?!!! I don't understand why do they come here, what for if they decide to carry on living same lives as they do backhome? I believe that anyone should be given a chance to live abroad. However if people cannot obbey country's law they choose to live in and mess up, then the door should be closed for those people for good. Why are taxpayers paying for their flights? What about Poland itself? Shouldn't they cover it?
typical of our government
I have a letter via my MP From PHIL WOOLAS telling me that once these people are on the computer system they would not be allowed into the UK. Of course, this fact did not stop the horrific murder of our son !
I am in shock and disbelief that the Labour Regime are deportin prospective voters before the General election!. Still for every 80 deported (window dressing) there will be 500 imported.
i would genuinely start flying again if flight companies used planes like this! plus be willing to pay alot more! way less claustrophobic than ryanair! instead of a life jacket i would like a parachute under the seat.
Lets be honest there are probably many Brits in France and Spain who have tried to escape our legal system. Anyone with a criminal record should have a special passport which makes it easier to identify there whereabouts. Instead honest travellers will no doubt find it harder to travel, childrens passports are a rip off - where does the money go for these?
could we not use a 747 ,get more on that!
Good on the Poles chasing these " Minor " criminals. I lost a few thousand pounds to a criminal in a "minor offence" and the UK police didnt want to know. If it costs the public sector £25million to find and detain these criminals, why not contract it out to the private secotor, that would no doubt knock at least 3 noughts off the price.
The EU is a con. It was set up to control the whole planet, not just Europe. It will too, unless we do something about it. Its time to take a stand against it all. DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU RED ARROW ME!!!
"And some of those extradited are back in the UK within three days " Surely this raises a question about how seriously the government take theri duty of protecting our borders? How can someone who has just been extradited GET BACK IN? What are we paying the much vaunted border control lot for, sitting on their fat butts drinking tea?
well said ewa from USA!!
Labour consider that £25million is a small price to pay, compared to the benefits of having those crooks here, who provide Britain with cheap labour, doing the jobs the Brits don't want.
well how much would it cost to keep them here, possibly in our jails.
How does it cost this much money to fly these criminals home? Surely Poland ought to pay at least half of the cost seeing as they are their criminals? Yet another blatant waste of honest tax payers money.
I couldn't see Blair and Brown on the plane, they should be, because they are two of the worst criminals England has see for years. - Alan ex pat, Canada, 20/2/2010 02:03 Errr .. because they are not polish?
Isn't Europe great? When did we vote to open our borders to the world's criminals and chancers? Don't quite remember that on the Labour party manifesto, even though that was their aim. I remember the part where it said we would have a referendum on 'The Lisbon Treaty' though!
i do not care how much it costs to get rid of these criminals,at least they are going back to where they came from and hopefully never return...... now get the other countries criminals who control our streets back to their own countries and we can sleep more peacefully at night....
i do not care how much it costs to get rid of these criminals,at least they are going back to where they came from and hopefully never return...... now get the other countries criminals who control our streets back to their own countries and we can sleep more peacefully at night....
Well thats all for the good but cant they send a bigger plane to take even more.
And you have the nerve to complain about ex pats who have paid there taxes aboout heating allowance,one rule for the EU and another for Brits
It has NOTHING to do with EU! British government,and only them,have decided to let Poles in the UK already in 2004!Germany still holds its doors closed,other countries let them in only in 2006 or 2007. Britiain wanted to profit from cheap labour,and it did.So,dont complain now.This was the decision of the democratically elected Labour goverment.
ALL other foreign criminals should be repatriated also, or do human rights belong to them and NOT the poles. Well done Poland! Now lets have a referendum to see who in Britain wants to remain in the EU. Just saw pigs flying too many of our parasitic MPs want to get on that gravy train.
"In 2009, Britain extradited a total of 516 offenders to other countries after receiving 3,526 arrest warrants from foreign governments. Since April last year, the Met alone received 210 extradition requests from Poland." I don't understand something... Why is this article only about Poles?? It's clear from stats that they represent only 5% of all warrants sent last year. Why other nationalities are not mentioned at all? "The Poles want all their offenders tracked down no matter what." So it's now up to Brits to creat the system so that any offenders will not be able to come back over here again? Great to see at least one country trying to clean up
Our country is a walkover, it makes me laugh, you wouldn't have this in Poland i can tell you right now!
Don't let any foreigners into BRITAIN unless they have work to go to and give them NO BENEFITS at all if they haven't contributed to the UK system. When we went to Cyprus we were told we would receive absolutely NOTHING unless we had contributed at least 6 months monies to THEIR SYSTEM. Fortunately for us we had work.
Well maybe I'm being a bit naive here but surely if Poland want them why don't they pay for them? The other point of course is, why did we let them in in the first place?
Antone with a criminal record shouldn't be alowed in the country let alon let back.
Money well spent, but I do think Poland should stump up for at least half of the cost. Why don't they make the flights more frequent?
Solution - easy: Get out of the corrupt and stupid EU, deport all the EU criminals and any other illegals (there won't be a human rights acts to prevent deportation) - job done, who knows then I might even move back to the UK.
WHY DOES IT COST SO MUCH? I DON'T GET IT. AND HOW COME THEY GET BACK INTO THE UK? WHAT IS PASSPORT CONTROL DOING ABOUT THIS.? THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR PASSPORTS TAKEN AWAY (BUT I SUPPOSE DODGY PASSPORTS ARE NOT THAT HARD TO COME BY). LETS GET OUT OF THIS EU NONSENSE . SWITZERLAND HAS, AND IT SEEMS NOT TO HAVE DAMAGED THEIR ECONOMY. TIME WE TOOK A LESSON.
Worth every penny!
One would hope that if the cost to us is 25 million quid that they are sending back more than a few dozen criminals!!!!!!! Or is somebody getting an extremely large backhander????
we are the laughing stock of the world,I am sure the mission of the european union Is to bring this once great country to its knees and they ars succeeding,find us a politician with the balls to stop the rot.
Why isnt this happening for all nationalities and not just thePols?
Well, it's a start.
"...will cost Britain an extra £17million.." "In 2007,....a cost to the Met of £300,000." "But the administration cost to the British taxpayer is £25million.." And this is just the Polish ones! We didn't ASK to be part of the European Union, we don't WANT to be part of the European Union. We never got a VOTE on being part of the European Union. Get us out NOW!
So people are committing crimes in Poland, running away to England to hide, and then we the British taxpayer (mugs) have to foot the bill to send them back again?? It's ridiculous! We need to get out of the EU fast, if we're not chucking money at Brussels for no apparent reason, it's stories like this one.
Why are not criminal's possessions seized to help with the costs of such repatriation? Why are not these individuals' passports stamped to the effect that they have been extrdited and are no longer allowed entry into the UK under the powers of the Home sexcretary to classify anyone as "Undesirable"
costs me £25 million? I wish i a million to start with....... do you think they have an air hostess on that flight?
It would cost us more in £££ and social problems. So, money well spent.
Why doesn't the EU pay for these Poles to be returned, after all its their policy of freedom of movement that allows these criminals into our country in the first place. Perhaps another reason to leave the EU. Mr Cameron another vote winner, renegotiate our terms with the EU, do a Maggie.
I will never forget the look on Blair's face when a Polish MP remarked you have all of Poland's criminals claiming your benefits - those comments and Blair's picture was wonderful...............
Whether you agree with the EU or not, ask yourself on question: What benefit have the former Eastern Block countries brought to the EU?
Wouldn't it be nice if our police had the tenacity to pursue criminals in the same way that the Polish Goverment say they do. Zero tolerence coupled with stiffer sentencing may reduce crime in Britain. Yet maintain a liberal approach to crime and no guts in the way we incarcarate the criminals. Prison for a lot has now become an occupational hazard were, when you get caught you receive a small sentence in the equivalent environment of a budget hotel with all meals and activities provided free. Where is the incentive.
One easy way--- stop them coming in in the first place---- oh I forgot, because we are in the eu we have to allow them in don't we!!!!!!
British officials went to Poland to plead for a let-up in the extradition of those wanted for minor offences, but to no avail. Polish government officials say they are constitutionally bound to find every offender. Then the Polish Government should pay the bill!
Obviously, from a policy perspective the governments are poles apart.
Simple answer. Leave the EU with immediate effect and seal our borders.
Extradition treaties and returning criminals to be dealt with in their own country is a good thing. But I am perplexed why they need to be FLOWN which is both costly and environmentally damaging. What's wrong with a Dover-Calais crossing in a cheap basic coach, with the Polish police on board. It doesn't take that long to drive back to Poland and why should criminals enjoy luxury and convenient travel. I would have suggested cattle trucks and by rail, but that might have unfortunate connotations.
Woh hold on a minute if they have a criminal record they should not be allowed back into the country.Its time this goverment did what the people of this country want and we dont want foreign criminals FULL STOP.
>And some of those extradited are back in the UK within three days of being dealt with in their home country.< and having them on the black list ,airport or ferry port officials ,are letting them back to uk ? one still have to show the passport while arriving in UK
It just makes me more certain that we must leave the EU asap to cut our public spending, these people would not be able to walk in freely after such a move.
So are we starting regular flights sending criminals back to all the countries that New labour has invited here to commit their crimes ?
I find it amusing that the pro Polish lobby who keep going on about heroic Spitfire pilots etc are silent. I contrast this with Germany that never gets a good word and is subject to all kinds of malice and spite. Germans ( with twice the population) have been in the EU since the beginning yet you will notice very few Germans are involved in crime but are hard working and law abiding Yet the Poles are constantly praised to the skies despite them being a rapidly growing minority within our penal system Anyway I wish people can finally realise that on balance the expansion of the EU to include former Soviet Block countries was far too fast. things were manageable with the old 15 members but now with 27 including countries with dodgy human rights and weak economies By the way we can think Tony Blair for this, he championed the idea of Turkey Ukraine Georgia Albania Macedonia and Israel in EU If you agree with me that we need an urgent moratorium on new members then green arrow
At least the Polish have some idea of justice. They would be let off with a telling off and a caution here, no inconvenience to the guilty at all.
What are you exactly proposing then Daily Mail? Leaving them all in Britain?
another good reason to put all the borders back up !!
so why are they allowed back in. They have to show their passports at the border and this flag up on the screen. I cannot understand why we are paying for this?
interesting!
£25m in administration costs? Is that a week, month, year or since the reciprocal arrangement came into effect? Assuming that it's an annual cost the article does not make it clear whether it was for the 210 Poles extradited in the last year or the 516 'other nationalities'. I would guess that the cost included all the work associated with the 3500 arrest warrants but we will never know. What a poorly written article, I'm sure it was unintentional but at first read it looks like just another anti-Polish piece.
And they just get the next flight back. The UK is a joke.
this waste of public money should be stopped at once why should the british taxpayer have to pay to send foriegn criminals home for trial,why doesnt the country wanting these people foot the bill?
Another nonsence . Over zealos police and government adhearing to every crossed T and dot of another EU directive . They should deport the serious and dangerous cases and tell the Poles to come and get the rest . Even better get Ryan air to do the flights they would never return . In Spain the chances of the police even catching anyone would be astonishing the chances of two departments even being able to then plan and agree their repatriation would never happen .Dont blame the EU blame our Government who cant wait to install everything from the EU imeadiatly. The reason why? we have to many civil servants and governmnet officials and the police are not targeting the problems,they go for easy results . The answer common sence but that is something you must never have if working for the state. they are a bunch of inadequate jobsworths sitting out their time to pension
If the Polish authorities have an obligation to collect and deal with these people - fair enough......but Britain should place a condition on their return to Poland that they stay there and do not come back to the UK - ever. If re entry to the UK was illegal for these people...they should, in theory, be stopped at the borders by immigration officers....I wont hold my breath!
They should never be here in the first place,Its crazy, £25m to send back and we got pensioners freezing to death this winter Get out of this EU madness now, Get our country back, Labour PROMMISED us all a referendam on the treaty they lied, we all need to show all politicians at the ballet box we don't like being lied to .
another example of how immigration is not working
Well they got the name right, THE CON, how can it cost 25 million to send them home, Somebody is having a very big day pay at the cost of the once again tax- payer.Where have all the honest people gone? Pete-- Switzerland
Can't this Government or civil servants do anything without wasting millions of pounds of tax payers money For that amount of money theu could have bought a 5 - 10 year old Boeing 757 to set up our own Con-Air and I am sure for a lot less could have charter a plane on a regular basis from the US Marshall Service.
It beggers belief. With all these stupid regulations, the true cost of being a part of the EU must be double the official figure of £16 billion. Why do the major parties still cling on to the belief that we get something out of being a part of this unelected, interfereing bunch of thieves.
Yet another EU " benefit"!!
As far as I'm concerned the more that leave the better. I would gladly see my taxes go towards regular flights to repatriate all illegal and foreign criminals with one dire warning, come back to England and you face goal for 20 years, with no appeal. Why should we put up with illegal immigrants who want to steal, rob, abuse our benefits system and Labour have been so easy on these people and it now appears they have even been compliant in encouraging immigrants. Time for Britains to stand up and say enough is enough, no wonder our elderly who need care are being left on the scrap heap after a lifetime of paying taxes, all our money goes on fraudsters from this country and abroad. TIME TO STOP THE FREE HANDOUTS
Whether from EU or other foriegn countries, all of them should have their DN, fingerprints & pictures taken & put on immigration databases to prevent them returning to UK. Once deported they should not appear on our streets again.
if the polish government will not relent then therefore let them pick up the bill
Another EU Labour cluster ........The EU is a vast money pit for lawyers.
I wish that our British justice system would adopt the same attitude as those of the Polish police. I do not think that this lousy goverment could care less how many criminals are in the country as long as it does not infringe on their crimes.
Money well spent if we get rid of them for ever.
No, it does NOT cost 25 mil pounds to fly Polish criminals home... According to your article, in 2007 it cost 300K pounds. Now it costs less, as Poland is sending its own military plane to fly the criminals. Sorry, but all you are saying is that while Polish authorities are efficient in their pursuit of offenders, British authorities cannot so much as keep foreigners with criminal rap sheets out of their own country. How incompetent! Also, I find it frightening that a senior British police officer would be complaining that police force from another country is "wasting" their time in order to catch those wanted for minor offences. With such police attitude, no wonder there has been such an increse in crime in the UK...
So, I don't get it ...... you're complaining about the bill to send home these criminal elements .... and nobody's drew up a plan on how to get compensated from the Polish government ?!? Geez, you can complain about this seemingly huge and unjustified waste of taxpayers' money until you're blue in the face, but please put forth some workable plan to address this accounts receivable issue, else just shut up already.
Surely if the Polish demand for all these people to be arrested and returned then they should be sent an invoice for the administration and costs , perhaps then they would not be so constitutionally bound if the expense were met by their treasury and not ours .
I couldn't see Blair and Brown on the plane, they should be, because they are two of the worst criminals England has see for years.
Well worth it if it gets rid of them. Hope they had their benifits stopped before they went?!
Can we just create a separate division within the Police Force specifically for this... funded by the Polish Gov..?? I mean, sending a rapist or Murderer home sure... who the hell wants them here. But air-lifting a guy for a traffic offense seems a bit OTT.
Bye guys - see you next week!
how about this? If you have a criminal offence registered, not a small matter such as parking or speeding, but a proper criminal offence, you are not entitled to free movement throughout Europe, but must seek a visa (like in times past) to visit or work in a foreign country. Makes sense, creates jobs, helps with control - but the fools in Brussels don't get it...
Looks like a Ryan Air flight.
Another reason why we need to get out of Europe Police our own borders and Write our own Laws...
Poland is "constiutionally bound to find all offenders...............fine........well, so what's wrong with THEM paying all the costs and not us!!
Surely they can be stopped at the point of exit in Poland. If the authorities there do their job properly they can be stopped from leaving and dealt with by the appropriate authorities. Surely they have to show some form of identification to be able to board their chosen method of transport be it train boat or plane?
Another reason to leave the EU and close our borders.
The Poles want all their offenders tracked down no matter what.' damned right they are! hats off to them...here even murderers stay in 5 star facilities(jails) and are out on the streets in 4 years... and most other offenders aren't prosecuted due to legal costs...but then again no win no fee lawyers win 4000000 pounds from so called "sex discrimination against women" type of cases
It is nice to see our so called, "Border Agency Officials" wearing high visibility vests. Hops.
Well when the alternative is paying for to be fed,watered and pampered in british prisons for x amount of years then released back onto our streets what do you prefer?
Surely they can be stopped at the point of exit in Poland. If the authorities there do their job properly they can be stopped from leaving and dealt with by the appropriate authorities. Surely they have to show some form of identification to be able to board their chosen method of transport be it train boat or plane?
How labour can save 25 million quid? Carry out proper maningful entry checks on everyone trying to come into the UK but I suppose that is too complex for labour it's easier and probably cheaper to let them in carry out criminal acts here wait until their own country demands their extradition and then pay not a problem to gorgon after all it's only tax payers money.
Can't we impose a processing charge as the airlines do if we want a VAT refund for a missed flight?
Britain,the dustbin of the world,criminals and scroungers travel thousands of miles to take advantage of Gordon Clowns largesse. No money to look after our aged,of course not,if the Clown isn't sending it abroad to give African dictators a luxury living,he is inviting the world here for,luxury living. The concept of politicians taking care of the British tax-payer who's money he steals is absolutely unthinkable to this man. So all you pensioners who've paid in all your lives,tough,we have to fund all the poor Euopean countries and what's left over,goes to Africa.
Britain,the dustbin of the world,criminals and scroungers travel thousands of miles to take advantage of Gordon Clowns largesse. No money to look after our aged,of course not,if the Clown isn't sending it abroad to give African dictators a luxury living,he is inviting the world here for,luxury living. The concept of politicians taking care of the British tax-payer who's money he steals is absolutely unthinkable to this man. So all you pensioners who've paid in all your lives,tough,we have to fund all the poor Euopean countries and what's left over,goes to Africa.
Sometimes friends ask me why I left England, sitting chatting over a beer in the cafe. I have given up trying to explain, now I just point them in the direction of articals like this. After reading them they just frown and think a little and tell me, OK we have problems here, but my friend I think your island is stuffed.
The sooner we leave the EU the better. Th UK has become a dumping ground for the lowlife and a bottomless money pit for the criminals who have found it so simple to outwit this useless Labour Government. Labour buckled at the knees and opened the floodgates. Hopefully the next party in power wil slam the door shut for keeps. Only UKIP are worth the effort to vote GB and DC have no idea what the voters of this once great country want, the so called leaders are entrenched in policies that will lead to the total devastation of the UK. Wake up voters and lets get rid of the party that took the Greatness out of Great Britain.
Sentenced in another EU country and then escape and found in different EU country,you should serve your sentence in the found country.Money should not be wasted deporting you so that you come back 3 days later.Give the judges something to do.No translation service or legal aid either.the judges will bleat,however if there is no money in the buget.
FORTNIGHTLY...they should happen every day, to EVERY corner of the world!
Its great to know that my income tax has been spent in such a considered way. I feel like puking.
So.... Why don't we send the bill to the Polish government. Took me all of 3 seconds to think of that!
25 millon well spent.
Why are they allowed to enter the Uk in the first place. Thanks very much Gordon Brown!!!!!
And the Government wanted us to believe that such people were helping our economy by paying taxes here.
Why do we let foreign criminals into our country when we have enough of our own to deal with? All this money being wasted that could be spent on building more prisons for long sentences for our own prisoners
Please do not tell me that the tax payers have been contributing to the cost of £25m?.... I certainly hope not.....I hope its a loan from one of the banks....Why, why are people working so hard loosing their jobs everyday just to contribute to the above story. People lets be serious is this a joke coz i certainly aint finding it funny.
The 6ft 4 inch Polish man who attacked and punched my son at a cashpoint a year ago was arrested shortly afterwards. He was bailed until he was due in court. A few weeks later the police informed us he had skipped bail. They found him weeks later at an Airport re-entering the country. He had been back to Poland to face assault charges there. At the court hearing, we heard how he had commited violence in a few uk cities before going home to face charges. His defence lawyer said he was trying to put his past behind him and the judge gave him a conditional discharge. He is still in the UK and I have seen him in the supermarket. Why do we house them! My local MP wrote to Jack Straw about it and she never got a reply.
They let them leave their country in the first place so why do we carry the cost. Their country of origin should carry the cost and more to the point why are we letting in known criminals to our country when they return, they should be refused entry as undesirables. We have enough criminals without importing them!
"The Poles want all their offenders tracked down no matter what.'" As do the british regardless of what our government does or doesn't do about it. All EU countries should be issued with as many of these extraditions orders as soon as humanely possible so that all criminals face the courts. Ultimately the costs should balance out nicely especially when the criminals themselves realise there is no place in the EU to run.
its not really efficient flying them, plus its adding to global warming.
Couldn't you just drop them halfway?
Those same Polish criminals would be back in UK next week with new idendity a false passport and Documents walking straight pass are soft immigration officers at Heathrow welcoming them in.
Isn't Europe great? When did we vote to open our borders to the world's criminals and chancers? Don't quite remember that on the Labour party manifesto, even though that was their aim.
Send Poland the bill, simples!
Simpler and more cost efficient solution is to leave the EU and drastically tighten our borders.
Is this the Poland us racist Brits went to war on behalf of, the only country to spend the whole war opposing the Nazis who were proper racists, and bankrupted ourselves in the process?
2nd story i have read today and God help us if it comes to this.........i have no hair and give and take banter at work all day with asians,whites scots etc etc UNBELIEVEABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM BALD SO WHAT AM I ENTILTED TO MONEY ?
How would English person like beeing called "Mr Bean" for example while working in France? trust me , not very pleasent. just me, over the rainbow, 24/8/2011 9:59 l`d find that blooming hilarious!!! Because, us Brits STILL have a sense of humour.. We have to.. MUGS would be more apt though.. What other country looks after other countries with tax payers money for the decline of it`s own.. What other country sends child benefit over to other European countries.. To list but a few.. The only winners in these case are the lawyers that take advantage of human rights.. Playground stuff!!! As someone already has pointed out `how can it be deemed racist if the 2 people involved are white european?
Bloody stupid the law is an ass More tax money wasted
There you go, the word 'racist!' being used instead of 'Witch!'. Same accusation, different word, different age, meaning is the same - the word is enough to label you guilty. McCarthyism (for the benefit of younger readers McCarthy's word was 'Communist!') reigns again. How long is it going to be before calling a Pole 'a Pole' is racist? Don't put your money on it never happening because the world has already gone mad. It's already beyond the pale to call yourself English.
Can the entire British population now sue someone for constantly being referred to as 'lazy chavs who don't want to work'? Oh and by the way, a Polish forum recommends that Brits working with Poles learn some Polish insults so they can know when they are being insulted. As things now, they can be as racist/sexist/rude as they like and nobody except other Polish speakers will know what they are saying.
I had a thought the other day, which could be construed as racist, should I turn myself in?....Yours jockly...Phil.
Maybe the worker was called Borat because of a similar moustache?
I'm a German living in England and trust me I've heard all the jokes and have been called Kraut or Adolf lots of times - I find it hilarious! I LOVE the British sense of humour and am able to laugh at myself and the Germans. We really shouldn't take ourselves so seriously and be able to take a bit of banter!! An English colleague of mine once nearly got into trouble for saying that I must be efficient because I'm German - he was told of by the manager!! Please keep the banter up and don't change, if people can't take it they should go back home!
Every time I'm in England everyone calls me Paddy, so who do I write to to get my Cheque?
My Father, a Welshman, when living in England, was known as "Taff" or Taffy". I wonder if I should be demanding thousands from somebody or other as a result?
In effect, he lost his case. The £2,250 will not cover even his own lawyers costs. This idiot will be seriously out of pocket. He will have wasted his own time for nothing. Almost certainly the claimant was offered more than £2,250 to go away before the tribunal because the costs to fight this silly case far exceed this figure. Even worse, this case is bad news for Poles. British employers now risk employment tribunals if one of their employees is silly enough to invent a nickname that can be construed by grasping lawyers as 'racist.' Insulting a foreign worker might be xenophobic, but when both parties are white Caucasians how can it be racist? Never-the-less, the stupidity continues. After this 'miss-judgement' Employers may decide that employing Poles is not worth it. The whole employment tribunal system is a scam to make lawyers rich - everybody else loses.
I don't agree with this tribunal. As an Irish woman I might get called "Paddy" or "darling". Both terms can be used in an innocent and friendly manner or with a derogatory or patronising intention. If I am not happy with the way I am being spoken to, it is my responsibility to make this known to the colleague in question or my boss. If it continues, despite my making my grievance known then I think there is a case to answer. The balance between protection against racism/sexism (which is never acceptable) and protection for genuinely friendly and inclusive banter amongst workmates has been lost. I think this finding does a disservice to those who really do suffer abuse, and to other decent Poles. If, as the tribunal findings suggest, it was an exaggerated claim hoping to make some easy cash, a positive outcome would be for any punitive damages against the company to be given to a charitable organisation instead of this man.
He should be sued for having no sense off humor.
Eastern European is not a race. They are white. Stop abusing the term "racism".
Surely it is doing them no favours at all being treated as a special case rather than an equal case? A Brit calling an eastern european borat is basically inviting that individual to respond with a mutual response, but even more importantly doesnt that make the show itself illegal if the case is genuine? Racism is now such a broad context that I could tell someone fat to lose a bit of weight and I will get sent to prison for ten years for a thought crime. Some people really dont know what real racism is like. Just imagine being spat at and beaten up for your skin colour. Different ballgame. The PC squad need bringing down a peg or two.
Is 'Johnny English' racist too then?
It's like someone calling a German person Hitler or an English person Benny Hill
I like to bet they call us a lot worse but we cannot understand a word of their incomprehensible language a good way to solve this is a REFERENDUM on this country's continued membership of the EU
Get a grip. My personal fab saying of his "in Kazakhstan women can not be seen together in groups of more than two other than in brothel or grave.. In america women meet in large groups and call themselves feminists." Genius... Hahaha
I sometimes get called Taffy, but am I bothered? Nope! I'm not a compensation freak!
It's only racist if the person who said it is of a different race.
Goes to show how badly the British are educated, Poland is in CENTRAL EUROPE.
" Are Eastern Europeans a different race to Western Europeans? " - kato, London, UK, 24/8/2011 11:10---Well yes, they are in a way! Many are Slavs, Balts and Magyars (with a dash of Mongol and Turkic in many parts) - as opposed to the Western Europeans, who are mainly decended from Latins, Celts and Germanic peoples - with Greece and the Iberian Peninsula being more mixed with other races.
How about we start a campaign for the long-overdue reinstatement of free speech?
When Lord of the Rings first came out all my friends started calling me Smeagol. I'm fairly thin but I don't really look like him. I didn't really enjoy it at first but I got used to it. Some still do call me that today. It never occured to me that I should take them to court.
Oh that word again being thrown around "racist" it means very little now as it's thrown around far to easily.
ARE THERE ANY WORDS SPOKEN BY ANYBODY WHICH CANNOT BE INTERPRETED AS RACIST. I would just like to know as I think I am forgetting how to talk !
" I dunno about "Borat" being an appropriate nickname for them. Names such as Hard Worker / Grafter / Polite / Respectful / Honest etc,might be nearer the mark from what I can say I've found in my dealings with them. Sadly,you couldn't bestow titles like that on several of our lot from this country...." - Kilnpit-Anchor, Consett, 24/8/2011 10:48--- Please stop denigrating your own people - that is if you are English!!! You are not very well informed if you suppose that all Eastern Europeans fit all those names you attribute to them. They also have their fair share of lazy, indolent, rude, ill-mannered and dishonest people. .
Whoever thinks this is frivolous is wrong. I grew up in England, the son of an Italian immigrant and was always called racist names, There was no harm intended (I think I was even quite popular at school, winning Student President elections etc.), nonetheless, a nickname like that gets under your skin. Now I'm in Italy I am often referred to as "Anglo" or "Prince Charles". I believe a person is worth more than his origins the same goes for Mr. Ruda. Perhaps we ought to think twice before using a nickname, because though not evidently offensive, it can still be so.
Are Eastern Europeans a different race to Western Europeans?
I lived in France for many years, some English people used to call me Taffy, when the French people cottoned to it I was always referred to as Taf or Taffy. It never worried me or offended me, in the same light I used to work with a couple of a Scots who always were Jocks or Haggis. So whats the big deal.
Brilliant, can I now sue the next Eastern European who calls me a brummie? How about all the comedians who seem to think a Dudley accent covers the entire Birmingham area? This should've never been dealt with under race laws but under bullying and harrasment laws, what absolute nonsense!
Thoasands in compensation? It's nace!
I don't think yanks,brits, geordies etc are comparable with calling someone Borat. Borat in the movie was lets say- not most intelligent person. Unless you british think you are not most intelligent nation you cant compare calling someone british with same as calling someone Borat. Humour at work is funny if the other person finds it funny, but if someone constantly dosent use your name and calls you by the name of a movie about a thick person it will be an insult. Oh and racism, yes its not racism as mentioned its xenophobia that I as an "eastern european" even I am from Northen European country (Estonia) meet often these days in the UK. Wierd nation you are, you don't mind hundrerds of thousands of non-europeans coming in not working claming benefits but you do mind from the rest of the Europe working people who pay taxes and dont try to change the British laws and the way people live.
Is it me or do people no longer have a sense of humour.
Right, so at the time he was replying with I love you, it's taken 4 yrs to go to tribunal and everybody had nicknames anyway. Seems to me he saw the £ signs and became 'offended' in the loosest sense of the term. Another story to allow the rest of the world to have a good ol laugh at the uk. We can't do anything anymore!!!
I dunno about "Borat" being an appropriate nickname for them. Names such as Hard Worker / Grafter / Polite / Respectful / Honest etc,might be nearer the mark from what I can say I've found in my dealings with them. Sadly,you couldn't bestow titles like that on several of our lot from this country....
Does that mean that it also racist to call an Irish person paddy or a Sottish person a jock? If so what a sad miserable country we are now living in when you can't even have a bit of lighthearted banter without the fear of being sued!
This is English sense of humor or get over it.
Taff, Hick, Valley girl... all names I'm called on a regular basis. Nice little payout coming my way I think.... Hell I may even sue myself for using the name Welshie on here!
" How would English person like beeing called "Mr Bean" for example while working in France? trust me , not very pleasent. "- just me, over the rainbow, 24/8/2011 9:59----Grow up and get a sense of humour!!! My Lithuanian girlfriend calls me Mr Bean sometimes. Try calling the Frenchies by their usual amphibian name in return!!!
And as a Brit living in 'eastern' europe would this then entitle me to compensation when my Slovak friends & colleagues make jokes about bad british food or our ugly women?I think not. Or would I be taken seriously because some people jokingly called me George or Jeeves? Not at all. Mickey-taking is part of being an expat. If you can't take it go home. Simple
That is just stupid, It just show what kind of idiots are in charge of justice system, well not surprise from Idiotic British justice system anyway.
"Barrister Daniel Barnett said: ‘Although the case sounds frivolous, imagine if an African employee was nicknamed “Uncle Tom” or “Kunta Kinte”. " There is a world of difference. For a start, how can it be racist when these people are racially the same? At worst, it's national stereotyping, no doubt fuelled by resentment that they're here in the first place taking our jobs. Not racist, and certainly not illegal. These tribunals ought to concentrate on real problems, not imaginary PC ones.
I am Polish and I was called Borat by English, Asians Blacks, even a guy from Kazachstan himself !Never took offence, took it a for a start for conversation, maybe friendship. But maybe Mr Ruda was called that on the top of other insults and the British guy was laughing and nasty for him? It's important to understand the intentions behind the calling smbd a Borrat?
another ridiculous restriction on freedom of speech. the word was no doubt used in humourous way and not to be taken seriously and obviously was not taken seriously at the time. now 3 years later under NewLabr oppressive laws it becomes the subject of a court case. I will stick with my normal description of these people who came to this country without the express consent of the Uk population who were never consulted by the traitors who allowed them in. The original 'traitor' was Mrs Thatcher who signed the Single European Act allowing EU migration. She was a fervent advocate of EU enlargement to include the former Soviet-bloc countries. You could then blame Tony Blair and the various employers' organisations who decided not to impose quotas on these migrants from Poland etc. Employers benefited from the cheap labour, middle-class families from cheap Polish plumbers and Slovak nannies. But wages went down and schools and surgeries became overcrowded.
How would English person like beeing called "Mr Bean" for example while working in France? trust me , not very pleasent.
yeah, you right ?!, but when I said something to English worker, he told me - you are the racist. Anyone can laugh of Polish people, but no one can laugh of English, is it right ? No Of corse No. We can laugh eachother but If someone says - stop, Everyone must respect that. I know you going to say - so go back to Poland then , but this is not a Answer for this problem, If allowed to work in this country, so give me a better reason that tribunal in Leeds is not right . Greg
Borat = compensation....... our money yet again. When are we going to learn that we are being taken for mugs?
Right, everyone from outside London, stop calling me a cockney.. I was born in Chelsea, no where near the Bow Bells, and I'll sue you! Ludicrous!
Under the law as it stands in the UK now, you cannot be anything but serious with your workmates, only speak when necessary and do not say anything lighthearted, jocular, or funny, it will be used against you at a later date. How shameful is that?
Well, as a scouser working in the south I've heard a million times the comment about hubcaps. Maybe I should sue next time hey?..- sicon67, Gosport, Hampshire, 24/8/2011 08:49.....Hahaha...I love Liverpool folk and their fantastic sense of humour! Well done for putting up with the 'wisecracks' about being a Liverpudlian, speaking personally, the best place I have ever lived in was Liverpool! .....A question however; should Irish people sue for being called 'Paddy' which they are, very frequently, and said in a sneering fashion so as to belittle them? Finally, has anyone noticed that folk from the North East are called 'Geordies' but, it's never said in a sneering sarcastic way, always in a neutral tone of voice, which seems, somehow, to be a quiet compliment? Anyone care to comment about that?
The vast majority of people in this country are offended by the PC Brigade. Their attempts to control minds and thoughts are repugnant to freedom. Please--end this nonsense now by banning PC.
I'm a Geordie living in Norwich and have had to put up with 'spuggy', chants of 'Byker Grove' and now quotes from Geordie Shore (worst of all), not forgetting people wanting me to quote the narrator of Big Brother constantly. It's part and parcel of living away from home, if people are offended they should go home or ignore it as I do. Racism is different entirely, there is such thing as banter without malice. PC is ruining this country.
Pathetic! People are getting sick and tired of being told they're racist. Women were once treated like second class citizens but we don't keep harping on about the past, we just get on with it! Move on
He did not object to the name and regularly replied to it with a Borat catchphrase, ‘I love you.’ ------------------------------------------------------ That is not a Borat catchphrase.
What will happen if we call an Irish man 'Paddy', a Welshman 'Taffy', an American 'Yank' etc? Will they be able to sue us? When I was a kid we had the rhyme, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'. Seems that the country is full of a load of wimps!
Well, as a scouser working in the south I've heard a million times the comment about hubcaps. Maybe I should sue next time hey?
So he did not object to the name and regularly replied to it with a Borat catchphrase, ‘I love you.’ and had been ‘less than honest’ over a number of his claims, yet he is going to be awarded compensation - this is ridiculous!
Whats in a name has the whole world gone mad these pc warriors are the ones who should be locked up .
You wait until some colonial calls me JOHN I will sue on exactly the same grounds .....A White fat English man how stupid is this
Oh my god!!!! But of course no one is allowed to have a joke with anyone anymore. I work in the healthcare industry and every other employee is originally from another country. Its impossible to remember all the names these people have so we give each other nicknames. Its called a term of endearment. It isn't an insult. On one shift, i'm the only british born worker. There are six different nationalities!!! And most agree their level of english is poor. How else are u supposed to communicate? The government has forced us into this situation. Ordinary people are desperately trying to find ways of getting along. Most days we are afraid to talk at all for fear of upsetting someone. What a miserable and humourless multicultural country this has become. Thanks Labour nutters...
another ridiculous restriction on freedom of speech. the word was no doubt used in humourous way and not to be taken seriously and obviously was not taken seriously at the time. now 3 years later under NewLabr oppressive laws it becomes the subject of a court case. I will stick with my normal description of these people who came to this country without the express consent of the Uk population who were never consulted by the traitors who allowed them in.
What if someone is actually named 'Borat', what would you call him? What if another worker nearby, who wasn't similarly named overheard? Is that racist? Could he sue?
Degraded and humiliated ? yeah right !
When I visit Thailand with my wife they call me a farang. How do I go about suing them ??
'Polish' is a nationality not a race. Whilst the use of the nickname 'Borat' towards a work colleague is both offensive and utterly deplorable, to call it 'rascism' does a total disservice to those who suffer from the effects of true racism. We need to use a dfferent term for this offence. It is actually 'xenophobia', the dislike/fear of foreigners, from which people of many races on this earth suffer. I seriously doubt the effectiveness of legislation in preventing displays of personal petty prejudices and name-calling in the workplace, especially when it is given the umbrella term of 'racism'. We all know what real racism is and this just isn't it.
Could there actually be some resentment built up by British workers towards eastern europeans considering their prioritisation in the workplace these days? Just a hunch. Banter is part of British working class culture. I suspect this has been blown out of proportion because of our soft touch, after all they not obliged to work here. I may be wrong though but too many people these days have the same hunch for it to be ignored.
Oh I didn't know a white polish man was now a different RACE? So when these people have children in this country, and those children are now classed as british, are these children different races from their parents? Don't think so.
They might as well make Pom, yank, Ozzy, jock & Brit all racist references then.
Ah, the compensation, there was me thinking he was genuinely offended.
Who drafted a stupid law that deens a nation is also a race of mankind? Poles are classified as Caucasians as are Anglo-Saxons. There is no racial difference. The term Borat used perjoratively is offensive, but that is all. It cannot be construed as racist except under ridiculously worded laws like these.
> degraded and humiliated Nice to see they've picked up the language of victimhood. So, they get called Borat. Boohoo, as if we haven't given them enough, now they'll be wanting big bags of compensation for their torture. This country is a joke.
poor polish man try being black and going to poland then you will know what racism is like
Look ......... the British people have ALWAYS had an enormous sense of humour. How the hell do you think we got through the war! I'm fed up with these people from elsewhere, who take themselves and everything else far too seriously, trying to surpress OUR personalities to substitute something THEY feel more comfortable with. As the saying goes ..... 'If you can't stand the heat ... then get out of the kitchen'!!!!!!!!!!!!! .............. Grow up, man - or are you after a fistful of compensation so that you can go home, sit on your backside and live in comfort!
This guy is not FUNNY.
I didn't know "Eastern European" is a race. I suggest the STEVE DOUGHTY look up the definitions of 'racism' and 'bigotry'; they're two different things.
The Brits will tell the Eastern Europeans to get over themselves and it's not racist being called Borat because after all, Sacha Baron Cohen is as funny as Jeremy Clarkson right?
Poor diddums!!! Never mind, run home and tell mummy!!!
"He did not object to the name and regularly replied to it with a Borat catchphrase, ‘I love you.’" so what's the problem then?
"Limey", "Brit", racist too?...compensation please!
Me, Here, Lots of people thought our Air Force couldn't possibly stand down for the hour of terrorism on 9/11, but they were nowhere to be found. Tragedy can happen anywhere, especially when big-shot blowhards abound.
This is the same company that sunk Camell Lairds so what goes around comes around
Something like this would never happen where I come from. I guess your socialist health and safety laws are not up to much. And to think that might have all been caused by some lothario trying to impress a girl. You will never teach these Europeans a real sense of duty, like I learnt in the Marines. - Lord Jim, USA, 26/1/2012 9:36 YOU'RE A MARINE JIM? REALLY? NO WAY! I THOUGHT YOU WERE A BANK CLERK.
I HAD nautical-related jobs most of my working life.Upon retirement I took to holidaying by coach tours. As we approach our hotel, the driver will say: “We’re nearly there. Please stay in your seats and a member of the hotel staff will come on the coach. They will tell you meal times etc etc”. Then, to a man, the passengers will scramble for coats and crowd the aisle. In fact I have made the remark to my wife: “I wouldn’t like to have to get in the lifeboats with this lot”. With this in mind, and the fact that a large proportion of cruise passengers are elderly, it may be that there are mitigating circumstances for the behavior of the Costa Concordia’s crew and some highly frustrated Russians ??.
Greg from Vancouver, it is obvious you know very little about ships and ship stability, do you really think you know better than the people on scene? If you do how would you "put it upright" ?
Oh more drama.....endless saga......like yesterday when reports that the good old captain was told to go closer .....yes after the collision not before ...I like the way these stories are getting lost in translation..Costa would in fact have ordered Schettino to go back to Giglio for sure but after the collision not before. Ide like to see the times on those transcripts to decipher it. The media is really making a mess of this. Another thing, why leave the ship listed. Why not put it upright, this would have made it easier for rescue crews to get in and out of the ship rather than blowing the ship apart... I think after 3 days they should have made that ship upright period..Scales of the ships designer and maker would have indicated where the fuel tanks are and could have figured out if they were leaking or not. The last survivor was the crew member on the 15th of January, come on its January 26th 13 days after there will be no more survivors unless they are in a very confined airloc
After all... Russians are starting to learn the capitalism way...
Those Russians are really capitalists !!
From what I am reading elsewhere, the fact that Schettino "abandoned" the ship - and that is certainly documented by wonderful Coast Guard Commander De Falco, Costa may well owe each passenger greater damages. Costa is so far - allegedly - just offering full refund as well as a 30% discount on any future Costa cruise. That is so beyond mind-boggling as to not be believed. How will Costa - and its owner Carnival - survive the cost in damages and refunds to the passengers, plus loss of life for the roughly 30 (already confirmed dead and missing) - PLUS the clean-up and loss of the ship? Supposedly Schettino says never wants to sail again ...NOW he decides this! One sailing too late
Even if you have regular evacuation drill, at the end of the day you are reliant on the crew to lead you and the Captain to control operations
I'm sorry but in a life or death situation I'd be giving everything I have, you all might say their bad people but I'd like to see you
Doesn't sound inherently likely, given that there were plenty of lifeboats and it was within swimming distance of the shore.
Right. Sort of not really understanding what the term "Vessel not under command" actually means, aren't we, John. I should imagine that the sight of a well-lit vessel listing severely to starboard surrounded by lifeboats (also very visible) would be more of an indication that the vessel was "not under command" than any regulatory lights. - Heisenberg, En los carniceros gordos, ---------trying to by smart without thinking! The lights signal will have a back up system. the ships lighting could have failed seconds after this photo the lights will stay lit wherever the ship is in distress, try thinking first eh!
Just like on the titanic then
How are they rich if they did a poor transaction on a boat that could clearly carry everyone on board? it's like a eskimo buying snow.
Selfish crew.......not being proud of their jobs or country...only in Italy......there are no Romans anymore!!
Ooooh! Those shameless Russians, trying to save their own lives! Its appaling! How dare they use means available to them to get themselves and their families on a lifeboat?!? Such a shameless will to live!!!
Although there is a lot of questions to be answered, I do think praise should be given to those that got so many off safely Why is the media not writing about those crew members
Ha ha ha, of course they did!!! Because everyone else was either in 3rd class or crew. Jeez!!!!
So where is the story about the 'the rich Russians'? Ah it's just the headline, oh and wait the first line, oh and nothing more... Well done DM - nice to see your xenophobic stereotypes haven't changed!
Just to get it straight, the temperature of the water around Giglio was about 57°F which is equal to 13.89°C. I can handle that temperature and that distance easily as I have trained all my life in cold seas (even down to zero) and also rough seas, but inexperienced swimmers or non-swimmers or the elderly can not. I don't know the numbers of swimmers but I know some did indeed swim and reach land safely with life jackets on, like the French lady we heard about, but her husband who selflessly gave her his own life jacket sadly did not make it, he was pulled under and disappeared. There may well have been swirling undercurrents and it was also dark, remember. Also it's very hard to swim in clothes and in a state of total shock and panic. What this article tells us (if it is true) is that a tragedy like this either brings out the best in people or the worst in people. My heart goes out to all who lost their lives. May they rest in peace.
Hmmm ok if I was a crew member staying on a ship to help and evacuate others I would be thinking my days may well be numbered and even if they're not this pocketful of notes may be too wet to use! Anyone think that even if money was being thrust around it was maybe quicker to just take it and let the pushy shovers barge their way onto boats- which they would do anyway. And just focus your time onto helping as many people as possible rather than getting into arguments that you can't win and just waste time. There were a lot of villains and heroes on this boat and those that survived have to live with their conscience over their actions
The crew from hell...
This should come as no surprise. The truth will out. You don't think for one moment that these unregistered passengers were acutally stowaways? Someone was on the take.

"{QUOTE} The more I see of this ship, the more I doubt that it will manage to sail again by Easter for when I booked my cruise. - Greg, Mid somewhere, 26/1/2012 16:20
What a thoughtless chuck away comment that was from a self centred bombastic idiot. People have died on this vessel and are still missing and you are bleating about missing out on sailing on it at Easter? Some people might say it was a shame that you weren'ton the early January sailing, eh?"
Jesus. John, Malaga, Spain, I didn't notice the mainmast lights til I read your comment, can someone explain what they're for and why they change colour? I know quite a bit about flying a plane but this thing is in water, and henceforth, I am stumped.
it is the Russian answer to everything. Money makes things happen, if you have it fine, if not, tough luck. They tend to forget this is why the Revolution happened. - trevor, ammanford, wales, 26/1/2012 16:41-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It looks you know a lot about the Russian way. Fine. But why don't you say anything about the crew staff (Italians) who were taking the money ?
This is just all so bizarre - the ship was so close to the shore that I just can't fathom how a lay person, never mind a sea captain could have thought it was OK to be that close to shore - There is something very odd and wrong with this whole story!
"Is anybody surprised by this revelation? By the way, thanks for the photo of the Titanic movie - an invaluable addition to the article. - Kevin, Ontario,Canada, 26/1/2012 15:25

Exactly, why don't they show a picture of the sinking of the Bismarck while they're at it?"
And a while back DM reported that money cannot buy you happiness?
To understand this situation you need to be familiar with euphemisms that were popular in the days of Russian communism. The word "bribe" was usually rendered as "tip", to ensure the philanthropy and generosity of the donors was recognised, and to dispel any thoughts of improper practice.
Having been on a cruise on the sister ship "costa serena" sailing from Savona on a 11 night cruise,we boarded the ship the following day at its first port of call,Barcelona From the time we boarded the ship we had no lifeboat drill at all,only the passengers that boarded at Savona had lifeboat drill,and at the time i remarked that it was rather unusual and against maritime law not to give cruise passengers safety drill on escaping a sinking ship.This may have been a one off lapse by Costa,but other cruise lines i have been on insist on passengers attending a lifeboat drill with their cabin number clearly indicated on their lifejackets,and then ticked off a list as they attend at a muster station. As many cruise lines now embark and disembark passengers at different ports of call,I believe many passengers on cruise ships do not get a lifeboat drill.
Honestly....the CAPTAIN of this ship was a COWARD. In a disaster situation you have to act quickly and decisively. You organise crew members to immediately start evacuating all levels - preferably the lower decks first. You stay on board for as long as possible....even if it has capsized. So long as your familiar with your surroundings (and a Captain should be)...you'll be reasonably safe. Alot safer than the people below decks drowning put it that way. My GOD...it was in shallow waters AND within 20 meters of a rocky outcrop. We're not talking about being out at sea in a storm, 2000 miles away from land. What does this Captain do? He greases back his hair, applies some fake tan, liberally applies Sodium Bicarbonate to his teeth and then 'falls' into a lifeboat awaiting rescue. Nice one. My thoughts are with the families who lost loved ones. Totally tragic.
It is the Russian answer to everything. Money makes things happen, if you have it fine, if not, tough luck. They tend to forget this is why the Revolution happened.
Not surprising. I read that they had already launched a law suit against the owners too, when they haven't even got all the bodies off of the ship. Heartless, greedy, selfish people.
No surprises to read the Russians pushing to the front of the queue, my dog has better manners than that lot. Russians tourist are best avoided like the Bubonic plague!
The more I see of this ship, the more I doubt that it will manage to sail again by Easter for when I booked my cruise.
I suspect that as less than 1% of passengers and crew didn't get off the ship the evacuation and rescue on the whole must have gone pretty well and some money may have changed hands for the content of these "reports" that nobody can now defend or disprove.


delman666 I want to be in your world mate
As a frequent holidaymaker all over the world I can confirm that Russian holidaymakers are to be avoided like the plague. Unfortunately they are getting everywhere now and can quite easily ruin other peoples' holidays. They are loud, brash, rude and frequently drunk. Let us have Russian- free holidays please. - Beth, Derby, 26/1/2012 14:00 I agree too. Actually We have debated for many months whether to go cruising and it always came down to the fact that we may , through reasons of weather or noro virus . be stuck on a boat with undesirables and was this what we wanted? we decided against it and thank heaven we did. I have always found the Russians rather coarse, and there are a few other nationalities I avoid like the plague, having worked with them back in the 70s. As for Mayas comments about the English. I have been all over to Australia, NZ to name a couple etc and the English have been fine.Am I mixing with the polite English and not the drunks that are on TVs Benidorm?
Sure some people will have tried to pay their way to safety. Some crew may have accepted and most will have turned it down in disgust. I doubt very much rich all turned up mob handed enough to influence the rescue - or if those that did were all Russians. In any case rescuing thousands is a tremendous task that would have failed if the crew didn't act as a team in difficult and unpredictable circumstances irrespective of Captain coward's failure.
All i read about this tragedy, the more it seems that the whole ethos of the Costa line is under suspicion, to say the least. Carnival, the ultimate owners, would be well advised to shut the Costa business down, assign the rest of the fleet to either other companies in the Carnival Group (after renaming the ships), or perhaps a new company, Who ever inherits the business must then ensure that the highest levels of conduct are employed at ALL levels.
"I think you're going a bit overboard comparing it to the Titanic! Thousands of people lost their lives aboard the titanic in the middle of the freezing north Atlantic compared to a death toll not yet even hitting 20 just off the Italian coast in the med! There's a huge difference and a tragedy such as this cannot even begin to be compared to that of the titanic! - IBJamin, Shrewsbury, UK, 25/1/2012 19:27" Think it would be a tragedy of titanic proportions if you happened to be related to a victim of this accident.
Just after this happened there was lots of speculation about men pushing in front of women and children. Well there was a retired captain on the BBC breakfast news one morning - he said the "women and children first" thing is a thing of the past - they abandoned that years ago - it caused far too much chaos trying to separate groups of people and then some people wouldn't leave their husbands behind so it's all down to orderly queuing and if a family is together then they get in the lifeboat together men, women and children. Which seems an orderly way to do it - except if your Russian, apparently.
be reasonable and see their point of view, the people couldn't swim with all that cash it was weighing them down, much better to try and drowned the crew, i just wish they had been more sucessful. they are heroic for the attempt.................... just a different view point ,don't get to cross people, even the poor captain tripped, he just got lucky and his neck stayed intact.
Is anyone really surprised not so much by the fact that these scoundrels were apparently Russian but by the fact that they were rich. If you care to leaf through the list of survivors from the Titanic in 1912 you will find the the greatest percentage of survivors were from Ist Class and then 2nd Class and that most of the fatalities were amongst the poor folk in 3rd Class and Steerage. Nothing ever changes. Money buys you privilege but not breeding. - sas604, jalon. spain, 26/1/2012 14:40------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Just to add that not one of the wealthy Russians today have breeding, just money.
As a frequent holidaymaker all over the world I can confirm that Russian holidaymakers are to be avoided like the plague. Unfortunately they are getting everywhere now and can quite easily ruin other peoples' holidays. They are loud, brash, rude and frequently drunk. Let us have Russian- free holidays please. - Beth, Derby, 26/1/2012 14:00 - Absolutely agree - awful people, loud mouthed, drunk and greedy and so very rude to the staff. I don't doubt they did bribe their way off the ship into lifeboats or more than likely bullied their way. - julie, essex, 26/1/2012 14 Haha, you guys are not serious, surely. How many holidays have been ruing by awfu, fat and red Engish slobs in football shirts, getting drunk and yelling like they are the only people on the island/at the resort? I would understand if the Japanese were complaining, but the English out of all the people....Pot and kettle coming to mind.
For heavens sake can we stop comparing a ship that falls over in relatively warm Mediterranean waters a few metres from a populated island with the Titanic!
They treat their own people even worse; well stuffing my face on a floating hotel has never appealed even less so now, is the start of the decline of the cruise holiday boom. I always considered it a holiday for those with no imagination run by companies that used the cheapest of labour.
Is anybody surprised by this revelation? By the way, thanks for the photo of the Titanic movie - an invaluable addition to the article.
Sadly I don't find this hard to believe at all, society seems to hang suspended on the edge of the abyss far too much these days, for every tale of heroism, there's a tale of villany. Society simply seems to break down all too readily. On a business trip to London yesterday I saw a young woman almost trampled in the stampede for the train in Kings Cross, another elderly lady was also barged out of the way into a wall. If all it takes for society to crumble is the annoucing of a platform, I shudder to think of the horrors those on this ship would've faced
Listen,If i had the money and my Wife and Children where in Danger would pay and Bribe 10/10 Every time.
I am neither surprised that the Russians bribed their way to the front of the queue, nor that it was the Italians that took the money. It is just a shame that the German passengers didn't organise the rescue, and the Brits didn't enforce the queueing!
As a frequent holidaymaker all over the world I can confirm that Russian holidaymakers are to be avoided like the plague. Unfortunately they are getting everywhere now and can quite easily ruin other peoples' holidays. They are loud, brash, rude and frequently drunk. - Beth, Derby, 26/1/2012 14:00 - So just like the English then!!
The Russians are acting like any good Tory use money to secure their safety and everyone else can sink. Instead of we are all in this together, it just shows what can happen when everything is measured by money, as this coalition has deemed we should, a big mistake which will one day have a massive backlash! - Barry Johnston, Milton Keynes, 26/1/2012 14:43 ... Not even close to being true Barry. These self serving idiots on the Concordia were reprehensible in their actions, taking places in the lifeboats that should have been given to young, old and disabled. But your analogy to the current economic situation is totally off base. It was not the Conservatives that decided everything was measured by money ... nor was it the previous Labour government, it was WORLD ECONOMICS, without which we would all probabally be a lot happier, but it's the way of the world. So please start looking at the facts instead of using your soap box to attempt spreading your own agenda based propaganda.
l would'nt stand around waiting for a lifeboat and to go down with the ship, better to jump it the water, its only a short swim to shore and you not going to freeze in the water like the Titanic - jim of oz, melbounre australia, 25/1/2012 20:56 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problem was Jim, few of them realised how close they were to shore and many of them were older. Also the water was fairly cold and it would not take too long to lose body heat.
Unfortunately I am no longer shocked by any type of behaviour that happens in our world anymore. Some people get more disgusting by the day and I honestly don't know how they can sleep soundly in their beds at night.
Wasn´t there a scene in the film "Titanic" just like this when a guy gave money to a crew member? To his credit it was refused.
Surely no one is surprised by these latest accusations everybody knows MONEY TALKS!
Rich Russians barging there way in a nd pushing others out?? Never!! Sounds like London all over again
The Russians are acting like any good Tory use money to secure their safety and everyone else can sink. Instead of we are all in this together, it just shows what can happen when everything is measured by money, as this coalition has deemed we should, a big mistake which will one day have a massive backlash!
mumof2boys, north west england, >>>>> Sadly, mumof2, we Brits 'were' once known for our manners, not now. It was recently reported than when youngsters join the army they now have to be taught morals and manners. And, btw,you might be European, millions of us are not. We are island dwellers.
*****I'm amazed such a good quality photo of the Titanic sinking was taken and has survived all these years. Three cheers to whoever took this! - Auntie Maude, uk, **********Auntie Maude, you missed the bit where it said "RECREATED" for the movie ,have another go at it. Here is the caption under the photo again.***** Pictures from when Concordia went down were reminiscent of the 1912 sinking of Titanic, recreated here by the 1997 James Cameron film. Never mind... it happens to the best of us sometimes.
I hope they leave it there and then convert it into a secret off-shore base like in that James Bond movie - LOL now theres an idea !!!! billgates (he is so obviously in training to be a bond villian) could convert it to his "lair" ...lasers and shark tanks !!
Is anyone really surprised not so much by the fact that these scoundrels were apparently Russian but by the fact that they were rich. If you care to leaf through the list of survivors from the Titanic in 1912 you will find the the greatest percentage of survivors were from Ist Class and then 2nd Class and that most of the fatalities were amongst the poor folk in 3rd Class and Steerage. Nothing ever changes. Money buys you privilege but not breeding.
As a frequent holidaymaker all over the world I can confirm that Russian holidaymakers are to be avoided like the plague. Unfortunately they are getting everywhere now and can quite easily ruin other peoples' holidays. They are loud, brash, rude and frequently drunk. Let us have Russian- free holidays please. - Beth, Derby, 26/1/2012 14:00 - Absolutely agree - awful people, loud mouthed, drunk and greedy and so very rude to the staff. I don't doubt they did bribe their way off the ship into lifeboats or more than likely bullied their way.
if everybody got out of the ship nobody wud have died.
Women first? So all that women's lib business back in the eighties was phony?
What are rich Russians with pockets full of banknotes doing on a second-rate cruise ship? Surely they'd be sailing in their personal mega-yachts?
Ha ha ha.... Lord Jim, you are what we decent folk would refer to as a w**ker!
Not surprised they have to be one the most obnoxious, rudest, bad mannered, greediest nations I have come across. - Nicola, England, 26/1/2012 12:36 Totally agree! They are soulless, ruthless, rude, selfish, arrogant and very very unkind! At least the Russian tourist that we see in Turkey! I wished that Gorbachov had never lived because I blame him that he brought these terrible people onto us! They really seem to be a different race, not human..
lord jim , woudl that be the real sense of duty that we british showed the world in WW2? when everyone else gave up ? i am proud to be english nay british NOT european , we are a toally different breed , the bread "Lord Jim" that tamed the US and brought you civilisation ...the same duty that INVENTED " women and children first " the same sense of duty that ...when not being seen as being a gentleman or behaving fairly to people ...an english man would take his own life ? GREAT BRITAIN is a great nation , we are having some time off from running the world to see how you young uns get on ....not going so well at the moment is it ? we have the brave scots , the fighting irish ( the real ones not some half brreds) the galent welsh and of course we have her majesties SAS the FINEST fighting force .....in the world ...world champions of being tough we have our commonwealth brothers who happily fight with us and stand by us through thick and thin ...so in closing , shut ya trap
I'm amazed such a good quality photo of the Titanic sinking was taken and has survived all these years. Three cheers to whoever took this!
Please could someone enlighten me? if the ship was only "200-300 yards off shore", why did no-one attempt to swim? - Coys, N.London, 26/1/2012 12:35 because the water was below freezing - some people did try to swim and died from shock. - Jen, Manchester, 26/1/2012 13:09 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Err if the water was below freezing (which obviously it was not) then why did people not simply walk across the ice All the best Dave
It's incredible - when's the film out? Let's hope it's in 3D!
auch to lord Jim...serves you right. nest time, think before u open ur u know what!!!!
As a frequent holidaymaker all over the world I can confirm that Russian holidaymakers are to be avoided like the plague. Unfortunately they are getting everywhere now and can quite easily ruin other peoples' holidays. They are loud, brash, rude and frequently drunk. Let us have Russian- free holidays please.
4300 people escaped with their lives, not all on boats. Of course people swam. - lenne, uk, 26/1/2012 13:14>>>>>>because the water was below freezing - some people did try to swim and died from shock. - Jen, Manchester, 26/1/2012 13:09>>>>>> lenne UK, why "of course people swam"? this is reported where exactly? how many made it ashore then? who was there to assist? I have yet to read any article that has such information, so your condersending ascertion that people swam would be welcomed more with some evidence and fact! also Jen from Manchester, what was the temp of the water and who died from "shock" again not a shread of evidence to support this statement.
The bit that I'm having difficulty with is the Captain now saying he was ordered to deviate off course for 'tourist navigation' prposes. It was night time for goodness sake and consequently dark so what use would that have been for passengers wanting to do a bit of sighseeing of the coastline from the ship? Plus we are told that most of them were indoors anyway enjoying a sumptious dinner. Seems to me the only people who would have anything remotely interesting to look at would be those on the island as the illuminated liner sailed closely by but yet again it's winter and the place would be a little short on tourists.
Why did the person taking the pictures not do anything to try and help?
As the American granddaughter of decent Russians from pre-Revolutionary Russia I am appalled, ashamed and outraged by the "Russians" of our time who hail from the ex-USSR and shamelessly break the rules wherever they go. I pray the EU leaders do not fall for that monster Putin's demands for "visa free travel for Russian citizens into Europe" -- because you will have more such tragedies not fewer. I would not be in the least surprised if one such rich Russian fat-cat had even caused the accident outright, bribing someone on the bridge to "please just for a second let me put my hands on the wheel!" They are like that! Every day the Russian news are filled with stories of horrific traffic accidents, boating accidents, flight disasters, bus accidents caused by outrageous disregard for safety rules & norms of logic. The well-connected ones get away with mowing down & maiming people all the time. Costa Concordia passenger lists will of course have the names of all passengers. Publish it!
Lord Jim, Your no sailor, I was a Fleet Sailor.. Lord Jim, rather "Jarhead Jim" you don't have a clue what your talking about, if you ever did serve at sea, you most likely spent the days with a puke bucket, when not assigned such critical duties as cleaning the head. The only boat you captained was bass boat with a can of cricket bait for crew. The facts of the matter when Captain Coward and his first officer abandoned their ship in distress. Other seamen stood up to take their place and saved thousands of lives that night. Capt De Falco, Harbor master and his operations team, Captain Roberto Bosio who was traveling on Concordia that fateful night. Further a great number of people died or remain missing, those losses had nothing to do with European health-care. However I would advise you seeking consoling
Well I'm not surprised, what a total farce!!
Lord Jim from the USA, keep your incredibly stupid and asinine comments to yourself. When the American Marines learn to stop shooting their own side, and urinating on dead bodies, and abusing prisoners taken during the conflicts the USA have dragged the rest of the world into, then you can maybe comment. Until then, shut up. You epitomise everything that is bad about the USA.
Scanning the contributions here it shows people make statements without doing more than reading a headline. I noticed someone suggested a webcam, I thought right I will look at that, as I read on some ask if it really was that close to shore....So I though right the webcam. Yes it really is that close. now what I find oddest of all that someone had been helpful in pointing me to the cam site they have been red arrowed, pray tell me the mindset of some people?
Money talks ; always has and always will. Every day there are examples of this !
Wow how many Americans on here are polite and more well mannered than us "Europeans" wish i'd met one American like that! Understandably people would be upset and distressed at the situation, but on one of the pictures from the other day the queuing passengers looked quite civil, not the animal like way described above. British people on the whole are well known for manners Britain is an European country, The Mail in uk is a British paper, so please don't write flippant comments regarding our manners, remember the exception is not the rule, after all I wouldn't tar all Americans with those horrible twins taking up so much airtime on channel 5!o/t I know.
"Please could someone enlighten me? if the ship was only "200-300 yards off shore", why did no-one attempt to swim?" - 4300 people escaped with their lives, not all on boats. Of course people swam.
You will never teach these rich russians a sense of duty. I am a US Marine, if me and a couple of my buddies had been on board, we would have brought some disipline to the proceedings and seen that those most deserving got off first. You euros are no good in a crisis, too many years of socialism. When I think of my buddies fighting for your freedoms in Iraq, I wonder why. - Lord Jim, USA, 26/1/2012 12:08 Just like you will never teach those within your ranks not to shoot at women and children or not to urinate on the dead whether they were your enemy or not.
That would be the same USMC that killed innocent women and Children in Haditha woud it I say that just to draw your attention that you can't tar the whole of Europe with the same brush fella let those without sin cast the first stone and all that
Thank God I'm an Englishman with some guts.. it's not our trait to be cowards.. out of the EU now please..
Please could someone enlighten me? if the ship was only "200-300 yards off shore", why did no-one attempt to swim? - Coys, N.London, 26/1/2012 12:35 because the water was below freezing - some people did try to swim and died from shock.
The problem with very large ships like this with thousands of people on board is that your holiday is very like Butlins on Sea. Also when a disaster happens you have less chance of getting to safety than if you were on a smaller ship. I just cannot get to grips with the fear and panic these poor people went through with a crew on board not capable of directing anyone to safety. No emergency life saving directions had been given although passengers had been on board a good few hours. This company broke so many rules, they should have their sea worthiness certificate taken off them. I myself wouldn't trust them with with a rowing boat after this.
Lord Jim, Please shut up banging on and on and on and on about what you learnt in the Marines. If the US Marines are so great why aren't you still serving with them? And as for the other Americans commenting, the manners of some of your countrymen leave an awful lot to be desired
Matthew Middlemiss, longbenton, hmrc tax office, 26/1/2012 10:57 - What a discusting comment? "a few days underwater will probably do them some good"?! I'm almost lost for words you pathetic excuse for a human.
!!!!Lord Jim, USA, 26/1/2012 12:08!!!!! Lord Jim YOU are not fighting for my freedom in Iraq or indeed the freedom of anyone else, you are there for OIL, nothing more nothing less.
This makes a good story, but where's the evidence? Or is this purely anecdotal.
Rich Russians ? On a Costa? Don't make me laugh.
Your comments:You will never teach these rich russians a sense of duty. I am a US Marine, if me and a couple of my buddies had been on board, we would have brought some disipline to the proceedings and seen that those most deserving got off first. You euros are no good in a crisis, too many years of socialism. When I think of my buddies fighting for your freedoms in Iraq, I wonder why. - Lord Jim, USA, 26/1/2012 12:08 Lord Jim.....I think you need help..."my buddies fighting for your freedom in Iraq" concluded the stupidest comments I've ever read.
Russians behaving like Russians? Say it isn't so...
Not surprised they have to be one the most obnoxious, rudest, bad mannered, greediest nations I have come across.
Please could someone enlighten me? if the ship was only "200-300 yards off shore", why did no-one attempt to swim?
Something like this would never happen where I come from. I guess your socialist health and safety laws are not up to much. And to think that might have all been caused by some lothario trying to impress a girl. You will never teach these Europeans a real sense of duty, like I learnt in the Marines. - Lord Jim, USA, 26/1/2012 9:36.................................................Only in the usa would someone come up with such dribble, sininkg a ship by flirting with a Woman, as idiotic as shooting you own aircraft down
I hope they leave it there and then convert it into a secret off-shore base like in that James Bond movie
After being on several holidays where the Russians have been in residence it doesnt surprise me at all that they paid, bribed. lied or fought their way onto the life boats, they are rude, devoid of social etiquete and just unpleasant in general, i havent met a polite one yet, speak to the resort staff and they hate them too. They also are easy to spot in a restaurant as they tend to eat like hungry pigs, especially the men, what a bit of dirty money can get you eh!
Like a scene from Titanic? really? is this anything like the actual Titanic disaster? NO I don't think so, have a bit of common sense here, this is NOTHING like the Titanic disaster.
I can see this story featuring in "Seconds From Disaster" in a few months time (Discovery Channel I think.). They love this kind of thing ... along with air crashes.
Something like this would never happen where I come from. I guess your socialist health and safety laws are not up to much. And to think that might have all been caused by some lothario trying to impress a girl. You will never teach these Europeans a real sense of duty, like I learnt in the Marines. - Lord Jim-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "LORD JIM", I HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE THE AMERICAN MERCHANT MARINE, AMD MAY I SUGGEST YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR STERN TUBE, HAVE A GOOD DAY !!!!!
I thought the captain said their had been a power failure - so what are all those lights doing there then????????????????????????? - patsy, hastings, 26/1/2012 10:01 Ever heard of emergency battery power/diesel generators?
Reading the `Best Rated` Comments - which I agree with 100% - I am tempted to say that the Mail made a Titanic mistake in............you can guess?
If they put the life boats on the top deck people would have more time to get in them. - In a nutshell, UK, 26/1/2012 10:01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No because: 1) the passengers would have to climb to the top of ship to reach them. 2) If a lifeboat were to break from the line it's going to fall a long way. 3) It would take longer to lower.
So sad that every tragedy nowadays has to be compared to "a hollywood movie". The movies are supposed to imitate real life, not the other way around.
The feature film is on its way. Titanic 2...
I wonder which of the lifeboats was the one the captain was lucky enough to fall into. Captain Coward changed his story so many times in the immediate aftermath of the disaster that I wonder what the truth really is.
If they put the life boats on the top deck people would have more time to get in them.
I thought the captain said their had been a power failure - so what are all those lights doing there then?????????????????????????
Please Please...........If you do not know anything about abandoning ship and launching liferafts and lifeboats............please do not comment.
Tourist navigation ? Not with Cunard, p & o , Brits consider it dangerous, and U K authorities would disapprove. Sack costa directors too !
Just an observation. It's interesting to see the starboard anchor has been let go, that tells me that the Captain was trying to stop the ship or prevent the ship from heading into danger. An order to let go anchors usually only comes directly from the Captain.
Something like this would never happen where I come from. I guess your socialist health and safety laws are not up to much. And to think that might have all been caused by some lothario trying to impress a girl. You will never teach these Europeans a real sense of duty, like I learnt in the Marines.
Giglio Porto webcam
On the news a lady crew member was recorded telling passengers everything was under control and for everyone to go back to there cabins just half an hour before the abandon ship was given.I hate to think how many people listened to her and other crew members.These people have a lot to answer for.
In the first picture, which apparently illustrates the headline, if the lifeboats were "fleeing" would they not be pointed away from the ship and have wakes? The lifeboats have been deployed, certainly, and a good job too. There really is no need to use inaccurate hyperbole in a situation as serious as this clearly was.
There are several webcams on Giglio Live Webcams most not streaming a few seconds delay.
Omg those people must have been so frightened, not knowing if it was going to tip further or sink. I wouldn't have known what to do, rip. Xxx
Just a thought.......A week ago this tradgey was headlines the world over with hourly updates and now, one week later, the revamping of Facecbook hits the Headlines. Just shows how quickly the world moves on and what makes headlines....
Lifeboats fleeing? If the life boats had stayed close to the ship they could have been swamped when Concordia listed further. What I don't understand is why the inflatable lifeboats were tied to the ship and so were left dangling on the Port side. If they had dropped into the sea any passengers already in the water, or about to jump could have made use of them.
How anyone can compare this to Titanic is beyond me!!!!
when Panic meets water there is no Red Button to press . Rest in Peace to all those innocent persons who have lost their lives .
"Diviating from the approved route is something that is demanded and enhances the experience" .-.-.- well this trip really had a proper enhanced experience, can't argue with that!
- North Sea Tiger , Leiden, Zuid Holland water would've been 13-14 degrees minimum, no one's going into shock! you'd rather be on the Titanic then?
not making light of the situation, but most people could easily swim the 30metres to shore - Adam, Sydney, Australia, 26/1/2012 8:19 Maybe in Australia mate but not in Europe in January. Cold water shock would in some cases (elderly, unfit and those with minor arterial problems) cause heart attacks if they jumped in adrenalin pumping and tried swimming immediately without first trying to relax breathing and get accustomed to the cold. Only then could they attempt a very slow controlled swim to the nearby shore. Thank you .
This does explain how most of the passengers got off the ship... I read that there were about 4,200 people on board... Captain Schettino said he was responsible for saving 3,000 lives... presumably that was when he left the ship with 1,200 people still on board, including the dead and missing!!!... Unfortunately, if the Captain had stayed on board with his senior officers and practised proper "Abandon Ship" procedures until the last person was off the ship then it is entirely possible that no one would be dead or missing!... Needless to say, by his actions and his own admissions, he has earned the nickname "Captain Coward"...
Never fails, you,DM, are obsessed with illustrating your articles with hollywood pictures, even though the real thing is far better!
Alfie of London 26.1.1201 - I tried to comment about something other than the comment section for some other news & got 'abusive'. Only once had comment published, but then think of all those sent in, the odds too great, more than likely a waste of our time anyway.
not making light of the situation, but most people could easily swim the 30metres to shore
Ali, Blackpool UK, 26/1/2012 05:1 Ali, I think you misread me. Look back through all the photos and you will see that all but three (3) lifeboats were launched from the port side of the ship (the side where the hole is). The other thing that concerns me is how rapidly the ship capsized after coming to rest against the shore. Very little mention has been made about the closure of watertight doors throughout the ship either from passengers or from crew members. That such a large volume of water was able to enter a very big ship in such a short time and sufficient to capsize her suggests that all the watertight doors may not have been closed immediately after the ship was holed. That's another interesting point the inquiry will have to establish.
I'm glad the DM published these photos because it has proven something that I had long believed. During the period immediately after the incident, many reports in many newspapers suggested that many lifeboats could not be lowered into the water because of the way the ship was listing. Now we know. Photos showing the 'upside' of the hull show that only three boats remain on their davits on the port side. On the starboard side (the side closest to shore) the photographs here show that ALL the boats were lowered into the water. This means that 23 out of 26 lifeboats were actually deployed putting an end to the myth that 'many lifeboats could not be launched'. - Happyexpat, SEAsia, 26/1/2012 02:56 I'm assuming that all of the lifeboats on the side going skyward could not be launched???
If life boats were being deployed "moments' after the gouge...why did the Captain order dinner an hour after? Lots not told here.
How!!! can you run aground with all the latest navigational equipment these days, you must be one hell of an idiot to do that. - Alan ex pat , Canada, 25/1/2012 22:15 The navigational equipment only tells you where you are, it doesn't stop you running aground. Ships can be run aground because of weather, failure of engines, or human action. It does seem that a human failure is the cause of this incident, but let us wait for the enquiry to deliver its verdict, it could turn out that all is not as it seems.
The fact that many MANY more people drowned in the Titanic disaster, would not make ME feel that this ship was in a 'much better position' - also in the dead of night, listing heavily - if I was on it ... Death WAS facing them in the face and thinking that not as many people would die, would be no comfort to me. - London Bird, London, 26/1/2012 00:43 What are you talking about? the sea was calm, they were right on the shore with only meters to swim.
Im no ship engineer, but why are ships not designed with a device to stop them falling over? even a large pogo stick or something like that might help
I'm glad the DM published these photos because it has proven something that I had long believed. During the period immediately after the incident, many reports in many newspapers suggested that many lifeboats could not be lowered into the water because of the way the ship was listing. Now we know. Photos showing the 'upside' of the hull show that only three boats remain on their davits on the port side. On the starboard side (the side closest to shore) the photographs here show that ALL the boats were lowered into the water. This means that 23 out of 26 lifeboats were actually deployed putting an end to the myth that 'many lifeboats could not be launched'. Another commenter stated (days ago) that each boat could accommodate 150 people. Do the math - there were boats sufficient to carry 3,450 people launched and available to rescue people. Despite the adverse comments, it seems to me that the Concordia crew did a remarkable job.
I'm glad the DM published these photos because it has proven something that I had long believed. During the period immediately after the incident, many reports in many newspapers suggested that many lifeboats could not be lowered into the water because of the way the ship was listing. Now we know. Photos showing the 'upside' of the hull show that only three boats remain on their davits on the port side. On the starboard side (the side closest to shore) the photographs here show that ALL the boats were lowered into the water. This means that 23 out of 26 lifeboats were actually deployed putting an end to the myth that 'many lifeboats could not be launched'. Another commenter stated (days ago) that each boat could accommodate 150 people. Do the math - there were boats sufficient to carry 3,450 people launched and available to rescue people. Despite the adverse comments, it seems to me that the Concordia crew did a remarkable job.
Is it me or are the accounts and pics of the lifeboats as disturbing to you as they are to me? What do the mean they tipped and people fell out? Nice safety design!!!
Gee, Yorkshire,UK, 26/1/2012 1:13 -- what a frightfully unchallenging and terribly nice comment. DM shall allow your comments to be published, but beware. Once I dared to say parking meter attendant were parasites, and that;s it, the DM has judged that I should not have the freedom of speech you do...
That must have so frightening not know which is the best side to get off. One side is going up in the air, one towards the sea.
Why does it keep getting compared to Titanic? Nothing like what-so-ever!
My sympathy goes out to all those affected by this terrible tragedy. A ship going aground must be terrifying for all those on board. For many years I have had on my desk a small model of a ship - "The Birkenhead " which foundered after striking a hidden reef near Cape Town. The term "Birkenhead Drill" refers to the incredibly brave action of British soldiers paraded on the deck (and those manning the pumps) who were asked by their officers to remain where they were and not attempt to enter the lifeboats, as there were not enough serviceable boats available to take the men as well as the women and children on board. Such was the regard for this heroic deed that King Frederic William of Prussia instructed that an account of this episode be read out to all the regiments of the Prussian army.
Rosie, Mt. Pleasant: despite the red arrows and predictable responses (sorry :/ ), one only has to read the online reviews from ex-Costa customers to see that you are absolutely correct. Time and again, reviewers pointed out late safety drills, missing lifejackets, broken tenders, rude passengers and crew, smoking on board and chaotic boarding, all indicators of systemic failure. But it always takes a tragedy for anyone to notice. US based Carnival seem to have washed their hands of this... but these are all questions that Micky Arison should be facing. Adhering properly to modern regulations, no one should have had to die. And already Costa's testimony is unravelling... One minute, Schettino told them nothing, the next he called them 6 times within 40 mins of the accident. One minute, they categorically deny encouraging 'salutes', the next, they do it often. "So, here we are and it's me who's paying for everything". Too true, Francesco. But perhaps not everything.
The fact that many MANY more people drowned in the Titanic disaster, would not make ME feel that this ship was in a 'much better position' - also in the dead of night, listing heavily - if I was on it ... Death WAS facing them in the face and thinking that not as many people would die, would be no comfort to me.
......... I wouldn't hesitate to take a cruise now that all cruise lines are under intense scrutiny. There shouldn't be another incident like this for decades. - Jeff, Detroit, Mi, 25/1/2012 23:43 Dont you believe it Jeff. I was shipwrecked in 1999 on the Sun Vista in The Far East. Actually last weekend, by sure chance, I with held a book I about to submitt to kindle about my shipwreck out of consideration to the poor souls involved. You have no idea of the feeling of helplessness, and yes, I wept when i read about the innocent 5 year old - God only knows the fear she went through. Lessons were never it seems learned from our shipwreck. At our enquiry twe discovered that the SOLAS convention (Safety of life at sea) had not been followed and the ship inspectors had been misled. Once again Safety has been allegedly ignored.In both cases the sea was calm, but we must not forget that sometimes seas are dangerous.We deserve a safety asssessment. The technology is already there
This was nothing like the Titanic and had definitely nothing to do with friday 13th.
To Lanzalady, Canary Islands. Seriously? You post "...When we were cruising on the Thomson "Destiny" a couple of months ago and were docked in Funchal harbour, we felt a bit dwarfed opposite a huge "Aida" ship and towered over by the "Independence of the Seas". Now I'm glad that we were travelling on our small ship. It was well-run, small enough to feel that we received a personal service and didn't feel that it would tip over at any time. I bet that smaller cruise-ships such as the Thomson and the Fred Olsen ships will gain a lot of popularity now. I'm certainly planning my next cruise on a smaller ship again..." Any vessel, regardless of size, is at risk of sinking if their hull is ruptured!
That lifeboat at the front that you say is being lowered and full of passengers is not going very fast, It seems to be in the same place on every picture. Mind you the decks seem pretty empty at the front perhaps its just DM reporters trying to add to the drama
How about celebrating the fact that 99% of the people on board got off alive. The Captain has been villified, tried and condemned in the press without ANYONE actually knowing the facts, if it turns out that he has made a mistake, then he has to face the consequences but he appears to have also reacted very quickly to his mistake and got the ship to a place that allowed all those people to get off, if he hadn't, it would have gone down like a stone into 100m or water with huge loss of life. I am very sorry that some people have died but we should also focus on the thousands that survived with nothing more than a few bruises, wet hair and a fright that will live with them for a long time
Just prooves that even in tragedy there is still beauty. Stunning photos.
How on earth can this be compared to the Titanic? what next? a film made of it with some over the top love story between a stowaway and a heiress? yes im sorry people have died but lets have some perspective on things. - Captain Pugwash, High seas, 25/1/2012 23:27............ With all due respect .... Where Fear is concerned , there can be NO PERSPECTIVE ... No One can even concieve what went on in those passengers heads when this was all going on ........ When you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes , you may have the right to pass comment.
@Melis, SJ NB, Canada, 25/1/2012 15:58 Not every one in the USA is bad just as I am sure every one in Canada is bad. Thank you very much.
There was an article where the headline was "Captain Cries Like a Baby." You had to read the article to find out it was an interview of the priest who is the ship's chaplain. He was saying that as far as he could see, everyone on the staff behaved heroically. All this media feeding frenzy focusing blame on the captain before all the facts are out is just shameful. I wouldn't hesitate to take a cruise now that all cruise lines are under intense scrutiny. There shouldn't be another incident like this for decades. Now that we know the true cost, the practice of "saluting" islands is something we can all live without.
"well said comment from Melis, SJ NB, Canada and Dave in London regarding the comment made by the american rosie person who thinks america is so wonderful,yea thats why everyone hates your country eh. - susi, Brighton uk, 25/1/2012 22:52

Dear 'susi'... You need to get over your prejudices. Does one comment from an American that you don't agree with justify hating a whole country? I don't like the American government but just like Britain, most of her people are thoroughly decent folk. Did you read the recent DM article about the Americans who jumped into a fast-flowing freezing river to rescue a mother & her children from an overturned car? I'm pretty sure that some Brits would have done the same, but for every hero there'd be a dozen bystanders recording it for You Tube fame."
When we were cruising on the Thomson "Destiny" a couple of months ago and were docked in Funchal harbour, we felt a bit dwarfed opposite a huge "Aida" ship and towered over by the "Independence of the Seas". Now I'm glad that we were travelling on our small ship. It was well-run, small enough to feel that we received a personal service and didn't feel that it would tip over at any time. I bet that smaller cruise-ships such as the Thomson and the Fred Olsen ships will gain a lot of popularity now. I'm certainly planning my next cruise on a smaller ship again.
Look at the bottom picture right hand corner,there's the captain going down with his ship.You can't see him ? nor can I.
I would have had a heart attack watching that water rise up & knowing I was going to have to jump into the sea with a giant ship coming down on top of me. I don't know how the survivors who went into the water didn't die from panic.
How on earth can this be compared to the Titanic? what next? a film made of it with some over the top love story between a stowaway and a heiress? yes im sorry people have died but lets have some perspective on things.
@ Emily, London ...I'm so glad the divers haven't give up all hope like you have.....if one of my family were onboard I would keep hoping and praying that they were in a 'safe' part of the ship and I couldn't give up on them until I had 100% proof that th
This story is ridiculous, "moments after the ship ran aground", how about 2 or 3 hours after the ship ran aground? Can't you even tell us what time these photos were taken? I am trying to get a timeline on all this, it is impossible because newspapers or more interested in printing happy snaps of dancers. A timeline in The DM says The ship impacted at about 9PM, alarms sounded about 9:30PM, we have reports of The Captain leaving at 11:30PM but you also have one story stating ship capsized at midnight and capsized rapidly. It is standard procedure for lifeboats to form up together, then search and help those in the water, not flee the ship. Do you actually have a reporter who is capable of gathering all the information at their disposal and then writing and telling us The Story of The Concordia, from beginning to end, if you can't you have no right to call yourself a newspaper.
How!!! can you run aground with all the latest navigational equipment these days, you must be one hell of an idiot to do that. - Alan ex pat , Canada, 25/1/2012 22:15.<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>Um! Alan. Afew years ago, the 'Queen of the North' overnight ferry ran onto an island in Northern British Columbia while being guided by modern navigation equipment. A lot depends on who is programing the computers. Ferry went down rapidly. Two missing, presumed dead.
A more appropriate comparison could be made to the Andrea Doria incident, although that was caused by a collision with the MS Stockholm and not a rock(s). The list of both ships are quite similar although the Andea Doria eventually did sink. The rescue of passengers is quite similar with both of the ships as well. What is important is that everyone not killed by the impact of the collision was rescued and the captain was the last off the boat. There is some chilling video of the ship sinking if you can find it (I believe YouTube has a video of it) and quite of number of documentaries as well. I understand that Titanic is synonymous with maritime disasters but the circumstances are hardly comparable in my opinion. It's so glamourized and honestly I find it in bad taste to make such a comparison when the death toll was far higher and far more families were impacted.
"Show Boating" (no pun intended) seems to be part of many cruise lines fare. I went on 6 of Hurtigruten's ships from Bergen to Kirkenes. The high light of one trip was going in to a narrow fjord and turning the ship around in an area that was so narrow you thought you could reach out and touch land. So sad that this disaster will be a he said, she said, he said war until a scapegoat is decided upon.
The boat was upright for hours and 4000+ people got safely ashore and were forwarded to their destinations. Why did the vessel overturn?
All this caused by one man's ego and sheer stupidity.
well said comment from Melis, SJ NB, Canada and Dave in London regarding the comment made by the american rosie person who thinks america is so wonderful,yea thats why everyone hates your country eh.
Where's Wally I mean that excuse for a captain!
Will people please stop saying 'Comparing to the Titanic'. It is 'comparing WITH the Titanic'.
Looking carefully at the lifeboat station near the waterline; there is no way that these tall ships are safe. Had this been in open water with; as one expert said; thirty minutes to evacuate 4,000 people; it would have been a total disaster. In a rolling sea or bad weather; open sea the lifeboat deck would have been flooded and under water and what then happens to the passengers and crew; lost. The question is: how long does it really take to evacuate 4,000 passengers.
well said dave in london;p awesome pics of the ship, but why on earth build them that tall? has no one got a brain anymore on ship design. i for one if i ever got the chance WOULD NEVER SET FOOT ON A SHIP LIKE THIS, not now or ever,they are death traps thats for sure, too heavy on top,gives me nightmares thinking about it. R.I.P. and condolences to all the people who died,. what a waste:( and lay off the photographer jab, there is no way he could have assisted, just look at the pics,jeez some folk just dont see it do they.
@ Rosie - the Costa line is owned by Carnival Corporation, headquarters Miami, Florida. It's a European brand of an American company. If your travel agent is suggesting you try cruising with Carnival, Holland America, Seabourne, Princess, Ibero, P&O or Cu
oops, I meant 'no' not 'know'
rosie, Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina, try to understand the WORLD is bigger than the US.
So like the Titanic but not like the Titanic where the Captain stayed until the las and on this one the Captain fell into a lifeboat. - Paul Davis, York. UK, 25/1/2012 21:32____________I think people forget that only 52% of the children on the Titanic survived the majority of the rest would have been LOCKED below in steerage with know chance of survival so Captain Smith wasn't so chivalrous towards all of his passengers
Looking at the tilt of the ship while it was being abandoned the passengers on the lifeboats must be counting their blessings. It was a terrible tragedy but if the ship tilted to its current position during the evacuation it could have been a hundred times worse.
One wonders why the photographer wasn't helping people, rather than taking photos. - Saryne, Hereford UK, 25/1/2012 21:42 Completely daft comment - look at he photos again. They are taken from a height above the ship - they will have been on land, and in no position to help at that point.
I shall stick with smaller and more sea worthy ships with far fewer passengers in particular Fred Olsen lines with well qualified Scandinavian Captains in whom I have full confidence. I am sure a lot of the smaller "niche" cruise companies will be getting a lot more enquiries as a result of this tragedy.
Why do they keep saying 17 dead 16 missing. 33 people are dead.
How!!! can you run aground with all the latest navigational equipment these days, you must be one hell of an idiot to do that.
"One wonders why the photographer wasn't helping people, rather than taking photos. - Saryne, Hereford UK, 25/1/2012 21:42" I assume the photographer was on shore, or perhaps a passenger in a lifeboat, and unable to render aid. What in the world do you expect someone on shore to do to assist people getting off a mega cruise liner? Even if they were in a boat, you can drive your boat up to the side, but how would that help? People still couldn't get in. Why assume that the photographer is some kind of monster? This is clearly not a case of the bystander effect. The reports are clear that the island residents met people with blankets and hot drinks when they got out of the water, the only thing they could possibly have done.
Two red lights on the mainmast says it all, "Vessel not under command"
@rosie... I love her comment about how nice the Americans would be I seem to remember numerous occasions in the news when there is a natural disaster in the states the national guard is the first to be called because you all run round looting off your dec
Please stop comparing to the titanic!!!!
@rosie, Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina - and your comment is a good show of why no one in the entire world including your 2 closest neighbors canada and mexico cannot stand your country or your people.... we are so sick and tired of dealing with the pompous
I am seriously tired reading about comparisons to 'Titanic'.
One wonders why the photographer wasn't helping people, rather than taking photos.
Dead calm water, right at the shore, what was the problem??
[quote]the one at the bottom looks just like titanic, you know, the film. - me, somewhere, 25/1/2012 20:55[end quote] ********************************** That is possibly because, as the caption insinuates, it is a scene from the film "Titanic;" the 1912-style lifeboats are a bit of a clue don't you think? I'm hoping for a miracle but I doubt I shall get one - my heart goes out to all those families who've lost members in this tragedy.
So like the Titanic but not like the Titanic where the Captain stayed until the las and on this one the Captain fell into a lifeboat.
**********IBJamin, Shrewsbury, UK, 25/1/2012 19:27************* I dont think you would be saying that if it was one of your family that had perished from that mere 20.. regardless of the difference in death toll, people still lost their lives and its just as significant.
**********IBJamin, Shrewsbury, UK, 25/1/2012 19:27************* I dont think you would be saying that if it was one of your family that had perished from that mere 20.. regardless of the difference in death toll, people still lost their lives and its just as significant.
I wish they'd quit making these silly, pointless references to the Titanic. It was the Mediterannean sea, not a vast, freezing ocean, there was land nearby (The ship had run AGROUND, For goodness sake) Please.
Nothing will change. Cruises are safe. Cruise lines tell everyone they meet all requirements both US and international. That does not make me feel any better when I experience a mass safety information session at lifeboat level, where everyone is talking to each other, very few are paying any attention and the loudspeaker is unintelligent gibberish.The Costa line is a cheap, european line that is a "you get what you pay for line"--in discussions with travel agents in US, they caution US residents from using the line and warn them of disappointment. Quite frankly, among other things, I have always found that , in general, most people around the world do not act as courteous or reasonably calm as Americans in their interractions--obviously a sinking ship is a very big cause for "interractions" and panic may displace any reasonable courtesies, but I still feel that if this had occurred on an essentially all American ship, crew and passenger behaviour would have been dif
So for the sake of a few passengers who insisted on travelling as close to the coast line as they can, the company's executives and captain give in to their demands, to the cost of many innocent lives as well as the boat. A sound way to do business? I think not! This tragedy will have a knock on effect for other companies as people stay clear of going on a cruise holiday.
l would'nt stand around waiting for a lifeboat and to go down with the ship, better to jump it the water, its only a short swim to shore and you not going to freeze in the water like the Titanic
the one at the bottom looks just like titanic, you know, the film.
The comments under the first photo above are wrong. They say they photo was taken "moments after it hit rocks". It was taken around an hour after the ship first "hit rocks".
Sadly, the tragedy is no surprise. We were in Piraeus Athens in October, boarding our small cruise ship. The terminal was appalling, hundreds of passengers trying to check in with poorly managed queues, no organisation or crowd control, absolute bedlam! Pushing, shoving, a mass of people of all nationalities. The Greeks just stood by and let it all happen in their Terminal. We eventually managed our check in at the side of the Terminal at the polite well-managed Desk staffed by our Cruise Ship. Upon viewing the Concordia, I remembered saying "Thank goodness we are not on that, there is enough trouble getting on, what if there was a problem?" The organisation and safety guidelines and monitoring needs to be totally pulled apart both for safety at sea and Embarkation. The people that died must have suffered the most dreadful and terrifying deaths.
FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL YOU STOP USING THE TITANIC TRAGEDY AS A COMPARISON TO THIS ONE JUST TO SELL A STORY
So, the company knew about 'tourist-routing' or whatever it's called, and seem to endorse it, admitting that they do it to stay competitive, but yet they still say the Captain had no authority to change the route? I smell something fishy here.
I think it quite reasonable to make a speedy get away from the underside of the list - rather odd that anyone who hang around !!
What I don't understand, and none of us will ever be clear about, is why every passenger was not able to exit the ship. An enormous rock cut a hole into the side of the ship, it was clear that all hands should have been on deck, despite being told otherwise by some of the crew. I can't imagine why everyone didn't run for their lives to the deck, get out of their cabin, abandon all activities, and just make their way to the upper levels. I know the ship tilted considerably, but based on what we know with the timeline, there was ample time to get out of your cabin and upstairs. I'm saddened by the deaths and will never understand how everyone wasn't able to get to safety before she was half submerged. RIP
Yes. Just like a scene from Titanic; except it was right on the coast of an island and not in the middle of the Atlantic; and 1500 people didn't die.
titanic sank like 800 miles from the nearest land, this ship fell over like 100 yards from land. Hardly alike at all
Did anyone turn off the electrical systems before sending in the divers? How would they have done that? What did they do to ensure non of the rescue teams would be electrocuted?
Talk about ship wrecked...!
I wonder how long it will take them to cut this one up and remove it? Think the refit bill may be a bit too high!
Enough of the titanic references. Utter drivel by the dm!
Schettino is just a recommended unprofessional git. Look what he caused. Unbelievable. That guy is not even able to sail a dingy. Few years ago a friend of mine was on a cruise in the Caribbean and he happened to be the captain there. The ship broke down for an entire day, no lights, water, air con. He didn't apologize or even gave an explaination to the passengers. When the following day he went into the dining hall everybody booed him. Brazen face.
Yes, exactly like the Titanic, thousand miles from land after hitting an iceberg in freezing water, breaking in half on her way down, resulting in the deaths of 1,517 passengers and crew.
If you look carefully you may be able to spot the Captain on the one nearest the camera.
I think you're going a bit overboard comparing it to the Titanic! Thousands of people lost their lives aboard the titanic in the middle of the freezing north Atlantic compared to a death toll not yet even hitting 20 just off the Italian coast in the med! There's a huge difference and a tragedy such as this cannot even begin to be compared to that of the titanic!
'would not repeat the crime' from his lawyer. First anknowledgement he commited anything then............?
How many people in the lifeboat in foreground ? I can only see 3 .
To all those who keep saying anyone who has an issue with the immigration levels in Boston is xenophobic or racist - try living there. It is not pleasant and to make sweeping judgements of those who have lived in Boston and who are pointing out the effects on the town is just ill informed. I'd like to bet you don't live in a place with as much immigration and it's very easy to spout accusations when it doesn't affect you. Not all the immigrants here are bad, but they are not all good either, and you can see from the shops that integration is minimal. How would you feel if that was your town?
This is not my country any more. Too many foreigners. Than ks Westminsters Wallies
Sometimes I wonder if most of the people who comment upon here, are even educated to be honest.
What about the immigrants urinating and spitting in public. Causing numerous car accidents usually fuelled by alcohol. The nurses having to pick up the pieces including regular stabbings as a large proportion of them carry weapons. When locals asked for another supermarket the council refused saying that the town only required 1per so many thousand population yet the eastern europeans can set up food stores on every street corner!!! My local market town has been ruined beyond repair , neighbours up until early hours of the morning drinking vodka and shouting abuse to the locals and elderly neighbours. Guns have even been fired at our property!!!
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.. . . . . .. You may be right there Phil! it seems however our xenophobic friends don't agree but then that's hardcore DM readers for you!
The immigration population is growing with their birth rate here going up. while the true restdents of this countrybirth rate is going down.. You don't have to be a genius to work out what is going to happen.. .And now tell your local MP and your Prime Minister that you want all innigration to stop NOW before it is too late....Anybody voting for any of the main parties has a losing vote...
I wonder how long it will be before Tesco/Sainsbury etc put this lot out of business as they did OUR independent shops
So now even our immigrants are complaining about the immigrants! - Tungtvann , London, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 10:52....... the IRONY
We are only an Island this is ridiculous!!...anymore and we will sink.
Is Professor Mary Beard of Cambridge University as much a NIMBY as the rest of them in the government? Who lives next door to her? Is her job and society in jeopardy? Five years waiting for a residene order plus ability to communicate in reasonably good English plus insurance cover for all aspects and contingencies before being allowed to reside anywhere in the UK. That's not so unreasonable is it? Even second world countries insist on similar restraints.
Well now the Polish et al, know how the British feel. We had thriving building business one year the following year working in an Oxfam Shop to gain experience in the retail trade the next. Sadness beyond words. Lost the house in a decent area, along with the car the vans etc all went to auction.
It's the Romanians we need to worry about now, until we can control our OWN borders there is nothing we can do
I suppose offering paid work & barracks accommodation to young unemployed from all over Britain would have been too much for the British state to organise for this industry? A wasted opportunity. One can't blame hard-working immigrants for wanting to improve their lot in life.
What a load of piffle...what about the local population getting off their backsides and working.....I'll tell you why, because the majority won't do these menial jobs as they think it's beneath them. Improve services, infrastructure etc and pump some cash into the town. When I moved here in 2001 it was dying on it's feet...
One thing that stunned me in the article was the unnamed ( therefore where is the factual evidence? ) 'Latvian mother of 10 children' siphoning off state benefits .As an ethnic east European refugee from the WWII years , if there were such a 'mother' she would have been awarded the country's highest award for productivity and her fame would have spread in the media and press.The birth rate is barely one child per 'family' and three children are considered extremely unusual .Did the journalist base his source on fact or hearsay?What has the council been doing to verify the situation ?There are plenty of translators available . (I would do it for free.) Why do the farmers paying the low wages not receive approbium ?The public wants to pay low prices for proucts but how does buiness/ supermarkets achieve this? There are as many layers to this issue as an onion has skins .
i am sorry to say this, i am far from racist. but who else thinks that the level of immegration within britain is getting out of control. we have to many already, our welfare bills have gone up because of this and to off set it the goverment, cut the armed forces, the civil service, and other essencial public service areas. we are already in a recession with high un-emplyment for not just us brits but everyone, young and old. those of us that are lucky to have a job hold on to it for dear life, and now with a threat of a tripple dip recession we are only ending up worse of. i have never been in a situation like i am now , with food, fuel, and electric bill so high that i struggle to feed my family. i think it is about time the goverment started to focus on what is important, those already here, shut the doors to immigration we just cant affford it, stop sending our troops to fight expensive and pointless wars, stop giving aid to counrties we cant afford to support.
What happened to 'no recourse to public funds', my ancestors are British, I speak English and have a nurse registration in Australia, yet if Iwanted to come nurse in the UK, its not allowed.
All these comments shrink into insignificance when compared to the sheer gravity of the gay marriage vote this week. tiara lincolnistan
The country is in the state it is, too many foreigners, thanks to that class one buffoon, Blair.
"First thing is to leave the eu then there is no excuse for things not to change for the better....." ~~~ and the second thing threafter would be to deal with the returning 1 million Brits working in Europe at the moment and their partners and dependants. And then after that, the return of the 600,000 "retirees" also living in the EU. Should be a piece of cake for the Einstains around here.....500,000 Poles out making space for the estimated THREE AND A HALF MILLION Brits currently scattered across Europe.
I'm from Poland and I can tell you what's wrong with locals constantly moaning: they come over here, they take our jobs , benefits and bla bla bla. It was more or less 4 years ago when owners and management of farm produce nr Skegness has been forced by local comunity to give jobs to the local unemployed people. On the first day 15 of them came to work, young and strong blokes and what's happened?After 2 weeks less than 10 of them came to work and after a month only two of them "survived". As far as I know today only one of them is still working for the farm. I spoke few weeks later with prod. manager about this and he said: We knew this is gonna happend , we had no choice, unployment is high in the area and we are one of the largest employers in the town but now we got final proof that locals are useless and only thanks to emigrants like you we increased production and profit we never had before. This is all about money not sentiment! They prefer us because we work hard, simples!
My wife is from latvija, well educated, speaks fluent English, embraces our culture (the god bits) and works in accountancy, not all go for labour market jobs. Her brother is here, as is my cousin. Not 1 Latvian I know overhere has ever claimed benefits except my grandad, who draws a state pension after 37 years as a miner. He, along with many compatriots were asked to come over here after the war to prop up our ecomony and workforce. As sheep go where the fresh grass is, we humans go where the work and quality of life is. Working age Members of the EU come to Britain, retired brits go to Spain, there is no difference.... However, Who allows it to happen? Why our democratically elected government of course. You can't blame anyone but ourselves, we put them there
'Polish restaurant , very good polish food' 'Romanian shop' haha more creativity is needed for naming shops and restaurants
More LABOUR voters then !!!!!!!!!!!!!- Lorne, Gloucester, 2/2/2013 14:23...It might have escaped your notice that we have had a conservative/lib dem government for three years. I would have thought that was long enough to start doing something constructive if they were going to.
Firstly, I am not racist...... but the UK is overrun with immigrants and, whilst I am sure some do add value, the majority leach off the benefit system and generally cost the government a hell of lot more than they contribute. The government acknowledges the problem........BUT NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!
"UK...YOU WILL BE ASSIMIALTED...YOU WILL COMPLY...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..."
I would like to hear that Mary Beard has admitted she is wrong.
I don't understand why European legislation compels Britain to pay child benefits for children resident outside the UK. Do other European countries also do this? Answer is NO! And why? Britain should ignore this legislation because no other European country would hand out vast sums of money like this. We are just being taken for a very expensive ride and the muppets who run our government don't have the backbone to do anything about it.
1st of all, all the shops and foreigners paying taxes and national insurance is boosting the British economy, and so is all the money which immigrants spend in the British shops. Therefore without immigrants the economy wouldn't be so good, that's for sure. They only move to England because they want a better life for themselves and their families - I do think that the criteria should be stricter though, as to who is able to claim the benefits and child tax credits, as some people do live off it - both British and immigrants.
It really annoys me when people talk about the Eastern European immigrants claiming income tax and benefits, it doesn't actually cost the country anything because they cover it when paying taxes and National Insurance. Oh and people think that the costs of living in Poland are cheaper when they workout how much they would pay in pounds, they may seem cheap but the earnings over there are honestly much lower. People can afford more things in the UK working for the minimum national wage than they would in their country, which is why they move. They simply want an easier life without so much stress and want a better future for their children. And all this foreign shops drama, it's helping boost up the British economy therefore it isn't so bad after all. I do understand how people may be fed up if their town is filled with foreigners though, I'd be fed up too.
At least the East Europeans are good looking like the native Brits! A lot of the Polish are very good looking!
No wonder we're heading for a Triple dip recession. It's not just the British Chavs that have realised they're better off on benefits!!
Listen to reason - yes, there are those immigrants who arrive illegally then claim benefits they don't need. The majority of these people are hard-working and pleasant, no different to us. I bet you'd see fit to go over to Spain or Italy and live there, not even working, not providing the country with anything, not integrating, learning the language or appreciating the culture. However, because the readers of the Daily Mail are so precious and delicate, they can't bear to have any word said against Britain or her people. Let's see how many down arrows I can get!
This is a ticking time bomb. We all know it is. The politicians refuse to acknowledge it because it means they will have to admit they screwed up big time. But we all know that the shysters in wasteminster will never admit to it. Prof Beard is typical of the head in the sand dimwits that we have in parliament
1. Immigration is a part of the 21st century world economy, it is called globalisation people. 2. UKIP are not the answer, they have no policies. 3. To blame welfare dependency on immigrants is laughable considering the number of British people doing the same thing!
C.Blimp , T.Wells, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 14:25.. if you have two children and cut off the legs of one child, is it reasonable to tell the child with no legs that they could learn something about standing up straight form the child with legs? Cos, that seems to be the sort of comparison you are making when telling people here to learn something from the polish people (that you have met, and refer to).
bla bla bla how many english man married polish ladys guys , let say they are better in everything then our local princesses . I love Poland but the problem with you all against is understanding ;-).
what you will say about non eu immigrant, when you talking about Eastern European , i suggest that you should say the truth and not hatred this people contribute to this country economy and they working so hard xxxxx
Just goes to show how messed up this country actually is when even the immigrants are worried about the influx of more immigrants.
In the context of discussions about immigration it is often mentioned about the favourable attributes of some of our European immigrants. Those who make such comments should realise that the critics of immigration d not argue this point but say that there are just TOO MANY immigrants. We can absorb some immigrants but when the numbers begin to put pressure on our social services and affect our national heritage - then it is TOO MUCH!
You are giving away your country. This is not immigration. It is an invasion.
Did not West put a huge effort to distroy the Eastern Block? Now, please do not complain and enjoy company of new friends . These states are used to being pampered by Russia. They always enjoyed a special status and Russia spoilt them rotten. They are unable to sustain themselves and now expect to be looked after by the UK and EU.
Before long they will have the vote here, takes a couple of years to get clearance to emigrate to Aus, US or Canada, better start the process I suppose. - Ian, North Lanarkshire, United Kingdom, 1/2/2013 20:18++++++++++++ Oh, the irony!
I find it funny that Boston in the UK is a dump and in the US is amazing and Newark in the US is a hell hole and in the UK is lovely. Go figure.
Oh well, we will swap with you, you take your drunk, bogans out of Australia and we will take the Poles!
I live in Boston and this is is no exaggeration, this town is a drowning mess. Eastern European men staggering drunk through town in the morning, the migrant children on the whole have no desire to integrate with ours in or out of school and every other shop is for Latvian, Polish or Lithuanians. I used to work with migrant labour workers and made some wonderful friends but the majority of foreign people now living in Boston now have no desire to speak our language or integrate with the community..it is like we are the foreigners. My 6 year old even asked recently if we have to move to Poland as all the Polish people live here. Despite the assurance from the government and Mary Beard I can promise you that our situation in Boston is at breaking point.
My Son was looking at the government website for job vacancies and found 2 positions for Romanian and Bulgarian interpreters. You can see they are getting prepared to assist in any way possible. I think ALL forms should be in English. You want benefits, court interpreters, housing, medical treatment etc., pay for the translation yourselves.
Most of these immigrant are casual labour on call all the time to be available when required and for as long as required. Cheap labour for the wealthest in the area and the biggest beneficiaries of EU grants.As was described some immigration is beneficial, and more to come makes one wonder what will happen. As it is the only way out of the is voting UKIP. PS. Someone ask if the photos are genuine I can assure it they are. look on web for Boston and really see what it's like
How come they get to OWN shops? I could never afford to ..guess they get HUGE european grants on top of everything else....so wrong - fed up with all this..what's Cameron going to do now??
Poor old Boston! I grew up there in the 1950s and what a pleasant, quiet place it was. I went back a couple of years ago and didn't recognise the place. Bloody shame.
But in 2004, Britain opened its doors to the new round of EU member nations, while, crucially, not implementing the labour restrictions imposed by other countries such as France and Germany. One man bears all the responsibility for our immigration disaster - Tony Blair. The fact that all or most of the immigrants are lovely, hardworking people is neither here nor there. There are too many of them. What supreme idiot determined that we need to increase our population to seventy million?
If the British weren't so lazy the first wave of immigrants wouldn't have had jobs to come to.Strange that all the British people I know who claim not to be able to find a job,yet Polish people have no trouble finding work.British workers just expect to much money for to little effort.
Baddest - My father was an Irish immigrant who came to this country after the war and worked damn hard to help build it back up again. He sustained a large amount of racial abuse but he loved this country and its people. I was brought up to work hard and show loyalty to this country. The country now does need to cap immigration as we are on an island that can not sustain this type of growth and the numbers of poeple coming in to live on benefits. But get one thing straight - the Irish and Polish who came over here years ago did so to work and not to live on benefits.
tony, London, 2/2/2013 13:24: you obviously haven't visited the Lincolnshire Wolds. Wouldn't it be funny if all the Poles, living in Boston, lost their jobs to Bulgarians & Romanians, who will undoubtedly descend upon the town. F63irestreak, Yeovil, 2/2/2013 10:58: has Yeovil been swamped by immigrants, who know nothing of the area & who don't integrate?
The Eastern European women have put the locals to shame. Long legs, great hair as they strut to the gym, not the pub. Tight jeans are always in fashion not trackies. They make use of the parks and light up the swimming pools. Our slobs are doomed.
When are the people of Britain going realise they are constantly being undermined by disloyal politicians from both sides of the political spectrum? This is about cheaper labour and cheaper labour means greater profit. Greater profit ends in the pockets of a small minority who in turn control the politicians. Conspiracy theory? You only have to look at the world to see the results. Fewer and fewer people holding the vast majority of the worlds wealth. The joke is on the ordinary tax payer. The wealthy pay minimal tax and when they don't need the workers they simply pass them back to the taxpayer to support.
Will all these migrants be allowed to vote in a referendum on EU membership?
Were any of you ever asked whether you wanted this before it was foisted on you? Didn't think so...Neither were we. This is insanity, but what's worse is that it is deliberate and well-though-out insanity, designed to dilute and destroy the indigenous culture and heritage, thereby providing an easier path to the European superstate so fervently wished for by the traitors that so many blindly elected to office in these crucial past two decades....
Its one thing being multi cultural its another thing being completely taken over. We should be restricting immigration to skilled NEEDED people only. Also passing an oral & verbal English test should be a mandatory requirement. Put the FULL sign up & let's get out of the EU.
When I was 18 I went abroad for two weeks, I must have 20 kids therefore under our goverments rule I can claim for them even though they are notnhere and probably don't exist , but our goverment does not care and will pay for them anyway, so where do I claim
The flip side to all this is that all Brits working abroad out to be forced home perhaps? I live in Southend and it has been twinned with a Polish town for decades. We have lots of Polish here but they seemed to have integrated well because I think we are used to them and been quite welcoming, plus the locals here are not really that stuck-up and we visit London a lot which is very cosmopolitan so people just generally tend to be less bigoted here. At work they walk in and get on with it and are very proud people. One thing with them I would say is that they will give as good as they take if you treat then badly so I suspect the problems in the town in the article are partly down to the locals having that 'we are the local people' weirdo mentality. If it wasn't Polish people it would be wind farms or a new by-pass they would be moaning about. That is my opinion based on observation and thought rather than blurting the first thing out that comes into my head.
Lets stop blaming each other for how we got here !. Lets gather our thoughts and do our home work !. Lets vote for a party that will give us the British Electorate our right to decide the future direction of our Country Great Britain !.
There is a huge difference between bulgarian and bulgarian gypsy.But for you people is very hard to understand that.
It's all continuing to happen with the blessing of our current Tory Prime Minister !. Does any one think it would be any different under a Labour government ?. Ultimately you and I will decide at the next election , after the next wave from Eastern Europe which arrives early next year !.
Tony Blair's legacy....and I vote Labour btw.....was to open the door to unchecked immigration and we are now paying the price. We were told it was to build up our stock of skilled and professional workers who were departing from these shores to Australia, Canada, USA etc. such as Doctors, nurses, dentists, engineers etc and also to have more tax and national insurance being paid into the system in order to pay for the care and upkeep of our ageing population.....but all we've ended up with is 'nail bars', 'facial threading', 'European/Asian' food stores and cafes, more women in burkas, more non English speakers and our indigenous plumbers/brickies/electricians/joiners are all out of work.....and I STILL can't get a dental appointment for FIVE months...but I can get the brochure telling me this information in SEVENTEEN different languages! Oh and btw, the low paid jobs the Europeans/Asians do don't even qualify for tax/NI contributions! We are SO screwed!
I detect a hint of racism about some people here. It happens all over the world, involving Brits; it's not exclusive to this country. Get over it- please. They're legally allowed to be here.
So is this article suggesting that my child benefit has been frozen and may even be cut when I work here and my kids were born here but someone could come here from another European country and claim child benefit even if their kids don't live here with them - no wonder we are bankrupt - talk about being taken for a mug
Labour's grand plan. Step 1: Let as many people into the country as possible. Step 2: Allow them to claim benefits without ever having paid taxes. Step 3: Give them the vote as soon as this is done. Step 4: Sit back and enjoy all the extra votes. Step 5: Retire to a Caribbean island and let the hard-working British taxpayers suffer.
Just had 10 days in the UK on business. The people working on the tills in the local Sainsbury''s as well the people working in the chippy, the people selling railway tickets at the railway station, and the people working in the post office were all Indian; the doctor I saw in A&E after a small accident was Spanish, and the nurses were Spanish, Hungarian and Czech; the girl pulling pints in the nearest pub to my hotel was Romanian; the manager of the hotel was Slovenian and all the cleaning personnel was Polish. If this is a representative cross-section, what are the Brits doing, and where are they doing it?
Here¿s a thing - 1939 How did the second World War start? Germany invaded Poland and Britain went to war with Germany. 1995 Germany threatened that if t was not given control of Poland it would again use the traditional military solution ie war. 2004 What did the Polish people to? They gave control of Poland to Germany, and invaded England! So, why should the nice Polish people be allowed to vote in the EU in or out Referendum to decide whether Britain is to be Governed by the EU or by Parliament?
I could weep. Where I never minded immigration in the past, now I bitterly resent them.
Vote UKIP next time! The Labour party has sold Britain's heritage and future just to increase their votes! And the Tories are not doing much to return things to how they were! And thousands of British servicemen, paid the ultimate price for this tragic state of affairs. Shame on those who only care about lining their pockets and their egos!
Who are living in Poland anymore?
Moan moan moan...
Poor poles what of the poor Brits who's jobs they took our youth have no jobs what of them
Wonder what all those brave men who fought in the Great war and WW2 for us would think.
In 50 years time there will be no English folk left...
voting, the illusion of choice. the game is rigged. so tell me, who pre-selected the people you vote for to be put forward for prime minister ?! the elite have it all figured out.
We used to do this. We had our time colonising other countries, i guess its payback time.
Do not worry,the Government will take from the poor disabled so they can pay for the children who do NOT even live in the UK. Oh not forgetting Bedroom tax, but that's ok because most imigrants live in one or two rooms so no worries there either.
"The truth is many companies unfairly employ those from eastern european nations over those from britain....." ~~~ then maybe you and others ought to go and "speak" to your fellow ENGLISH employers who are shafting everyone royally - while in all probability draping themselves in Union Flags and declaring their undying loyalty to their country. Because they more than ANYONE ELSE are responsible for the situation. Not Bliar or the Liebor Party who did nothing to make any of this happen. But "fellow" English people who are ripping you and others off. Or maybe DWP or HMRC - because you can pretty much bet your bottom pound sterling that these people have been lax in divvying up the NI and Income Tax they are due for paying them as well. The authorities MUST know about them - so why is nothing being done for this 21st century version of the slave trade? Don't blame the workers - blame those who exploit them!
There really is little wonder that the ENTIRE Western World is all but washed up with perhaps the exception of Canada, Australia & New Zealand, the Political Correct clap-trap is to blame as well as Health & safety gone mad, useless incompetent good for nothing career politicians, outdated district & County Councils that squander millions of taxpayers money, The West needs either one of two things, a war or revolution, but neither will happen as no-one can afford it so we all will become poverty stricken third World countries with South East Asia top-dog.........for a short while anyway.
the beauty of employing foreign labour for work which is beneath local people eg,manual labour,eg cutting cabbage spud picking,vegetable processing etc,is that the workers actually turn up for work,can work in the rain,and have pride in their work.There is plenty of work for those who want to work...
Hi Boston, the most intolerant town in England, and racist too boot - veritas, birmingham, 2/2/2013 12:17 stupid boy, white Europeans are the same race, more or less, as the white English. Anyone who knows their history of 2000 years back would know this, and why. 'Racist' isn't the word you want. Perhaps 'xenophobic', or even 'nationalistic'? And FYI, our concerns go a little deeper than just 'we hate foreigners'. It's sheer numbers - this tiny island CANNOT support everyone already here, let alone more!
Well maybe the British people haven't got the balls for uprising, rioting and marching on London and just taking control of Westminster and taking control of this country. But in next to no time maybe the Eastern Europeans will.
People who say that migrants are hard workers, that we need them, we're all immigrants or that anyone who opposes mass immigration are Xenophobes or racist are missing the point on a grand scale. Do you want the UK to be crammed with nothing but housing and unskilled workers, with a huge welfare bill and, ultimately, national bankruptcy?? Idiots. You can only put so much liquid in a pint glass. This is about economics, space and viability. Liberalism sadly ignores such constraints.
Romania and Bulgaria are just a fraction from what Britain have colonised,so stop moaning.
They would not welcome Mary Beard in Poland, they had enough of Soviet control of their country !
Can anyone tell me why, when the people of this country who most need their income, are being asked to take cuts in benefits which will leave many without heat, food and in some cases housing, and services for the young, the old, the sick and the vulnerable are being slashed so that people are left without necessary support and care, yet our Government deems it sensible to allow yet another influx of immigrants to this country who will in the main, claim benefits, and housing, as soon as possible?. The people of this country are seeing more and more jobs being cut and more and more people are out of work and finding it hard to find another job. Youth unemployment is at its highest for some time, and yet still the Government seems to think that the answer to this problem is to allow a flood of immigrants in. When will this madness stop?
NWO Globalisation in progress. Britain is the pilot, we are being completely subsumed into the EU. They have also made good progress in the USA. When the EU and the USA are completely 'socialised' they will move onto the middle east. Then Africa. China is all ready to go, and so is Russia. That will give five major regions all governed by a central commitee. The other bits and pieces will be swept up at their convenience. You are witnessing history in the making, the end of the nation state, and the birth world bureacratic state.
oh bless you Ziedonis Barbaks, you scared you may lose you job to immigrants like 1000's of hard working British people already have? This contry is going to pot, its time to close the gates
'Time to stop all immigration from EU countries' No, time to stop all immigration, Now.
Where I live one of the employment agencies in the town are advertising jobs in Polish, why, I thought they were supposed to speak English . Why can't it be in English, oh no, thats so the English don't apply. Where my husband works there are loads of Poles, one of his work mates had to move a big job, not one of them went to help him, but when one of them had to do the same job, four of them ran over and helped, and we are the ones blamed for not accepting them. I am so ashamed of what used to be a proud country.
Just make sure you vote UKIP as soon as you get the chance! It's very likely there won't be a UKIP candidate to vote for in your local polling booth, so don't forget to apply for a postal vote early!
Boston was NOT a "Ghost town" before all the migrants arrived - It was a wealthy English market town & all the Crops were picked too!. How can we go on when politicians make such blatantly untrue statements?
@ C BLIMP GOD YOUR UTTERLY CLUELESS . THAT IS THE PROBLEM ,THEIR NOW LIVING IN OURRRRRR COUNTRY ,. THAT MEANS TALKING OURRRRR LANGUAGE AND FITTING IN WITH OURRRRR WAY OF LIFE , GOD YOUR PATHETIC
As our stupid goverment pays money to people whom have never paid in, welcome to everyone from spain,Greece, and everywhere else there is no employment
Stop the wars, Stop Aid Money and stay out of other nations politics and nobody will be in a hurry to immigrate to Britain.
There's plenty of room in and around Chipping Norton to create housing for eveybody and to remind our filthy politicos what they have done ... but I wonder why THAT won't happen?
Why are the mainstream parties not listening to the English. The Cobra committee will not be able to deal with the mass civil unrest when this kicks off and spread like wild fire across the Country against immigrants, warning signs everywhere, It'll take just one event to start. You don't need a crystal ball to predict this!!!! We need to be very concerned.
The Irish economy has suffered but the bright side is that we have less foreign nationals here...oh wait they're in England!
i live in boston and if this issue isnt resolved the situation WILL turn violent, there is already rumours of groups planning riots. its not the europeans fault but the government needs to sort it out.
The only people who benefit from immigrants are employers as they can pay them peanuts,i have worked with different nationalities and they have to send money back to their families, so they are not putting all their money back into Britain.
Tell you what, As we foreigners are to balme for all the problems in the country (not the politicians,banks and ruling class) perhaps we could wear something to show people that we are foreign. Maybe a star sown onto our jackets perhaps? Perhaps homosexuals and trade unionists could wear them as well. What do you think?
Cameron will nothing to stem the flow. Remember that all the Poles, Latvians, Romanians and all will be able to vote in a referendum. They won't be voting OUT. The more Cameron lets in, the more IN votes he will get. Simples.
Just like the U.S. as OUR dictator & his liberal Democrat Party are desperate for more voters to stay in power so they encourage legal immigrants with NO SKILLS to come...and the millions who come illegally who just prefer NOT TO WORK...ALL END UP ON WELFARE and the American taxpayer foots the bill...last 4 years well over a TRILLION dollars. That's the Obama era. - Branda , Sarasota, 02/2/2013 14:24////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Let's just look back to 5 years ago: Oh look, that wonderful Republican Pres Bush had just overseen the total collapse of the US Banking and Financial Investment industry to add to multi-billion dollar costs of 2 unwinnable foreign wars and his reduced Taxes for the top 10% of earners! Now, with that corrected hindsight do you suppose just for a moment you could focus on exactly who really was/is responsible for the US "trillion dollar" debt!? Clue> the initials of the culprit are NOT B.H.O.
"i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:57" ------------------ And you STILL can't spell it properly?????
The old immigrants are complaining about the new immigrants!! Does that mean we DO have a legitimate complaint about the old immigrants or are we doubley racist by proxy because of the old immigrants complaining about future immigrants.
There is mileage in certain countries within the EU breaking away and forming a 'mini trade-only based Common Market' - the Dutch have always got on with Britain and are quick to detect a bad smell in the EU kitchen. The big boys would still trade with 'us' and we would have the EU everybody VOTED for. Tony Blair may have to sell a house or two as well but would save millions as eurocrats wouldn't require as many 'vote me in' incentives.
It's just a shame " someone " closed down the mines and steelworks etc.etc., due to petty revenge, and in one stroke ruined and ostricised a generation of " wanting to work youngsters." THE DAMAGE IS / WAS DONE ". - wilkoo , Allasred, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 08:59 ************************ Do YOU honestly think anyone in this country let alone youngsters would work down a Coal Mine today, a dangerous job... never see daylight and the best they can hope for is avoiding lung disease before they reach 50? They want to... earn plenty of money for the least effort... Thatcher did them a favour... not to mention giving them a good payoff, 'THE REAL DAMAGE' started in 1997! - Yvonne, West Midlands, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 12:21//////////////////////////////// Thatcher did destroy most of UK industry, but there are still a few mines open and Britons DO work down them! It's rubbish to imply all young Britons want fame etc. Look at Police, Nurses, Teachers etc. and see factual reality.
The 'open-door' policy for Romanians and Bulgarians needs to be stopped NOW. We won't get the likes of the hard working Poles who have already over-whelmed this country. We will get our pockets picked, our bank accounts raided, houses broken into, abandoned and abused children and the dregs of Europe will end up here - to say nothing of the already strained schools, hospitals, doctors surgeries and benefits system
immigrants terrified they'll lose their jobs to Bulgarians and Romanians, what about the English who lost their jobs to immigrants. as for the Romanians they are already here in a big work camp out side Wrangle. were do you get your facts from because they are wrong, at least 25% of the population are Eastern Europe.
As long as the pubs are open and eastenders is on all is well with the british public , TIME THE BRITS WOKE UP.do something
well you should see Merthyr Tydfil a small deprived community with high unemployment and few opportunities, The latest fiqures suggest that 40% of poles there dont speak english. I have nothing against poles but I am afraid they have got to intergrate if they move to small communities.
It is not just the liberals that agree to open borders. The republicans, corporate backers, want the immigrants, so they can pay them less than their own country's citizens, so the corporations and business owners make more money, spend less on employees. Both parties are guilty of this crime against their own citizens. Cheaper isn't always better, but the person who is paying, and reaping the rewards is the criminal here. The rich keep getting richer..nothing has changed, history has taught us nothing.
The politicians have a lot to answer for.
I don't believe any Romanians are coming here to WORK..
Divide and conquer! The UK had it in the 1950's with the influx of migrants from India, Pakistan and Jamaica and here they go again. You have successive governments that have their own agenda's and they really don't care about the country nor are they really patriotic - Unless of course they need you folks to go and do some of their dirty work soldiering in far off places. The bitter irony is that they introduce a "Being British " test and tell you all they you live in a multicultural society.
time to get out of this mess and vote UKIP!!!!!!
The Britain of the LIB/LAB/COB farce. UKIP is the only way out of this.
Britons- time to get out of this mess and vote UKIP!!!!!!!!!!
Let Beard go and live amongst them. I am sure that she will give reasons why she will not...although I am sure that she will say that she would 'Love' to.
The whole of the UK is being taken over by unskilled economic migrants. Politicians stand around picking their noses, whilst fiddling their expenses, telling us all it's for our own good. I am sick of watching this country being wrecked by an incompetent so-called 'Government', who are only too happy to take orders from mainland Europe like the bunch of sycophantic, panting, drivelling lap-dogs they are. It's time for change. It's time for UKIP. - Withnail Xtreme, Camden Town, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 0:43 --------- Indeed which is why our school leaving age is rising to 18 to keep British school leavers of the unemployment figures for longer. British school leavers and the existing manual workforce have no chance against those prepared to work below minimum wage.
Vote UKIP its the only way to save our country
Has the worm started to turn?..........I hope so, we are at breaking point. UKIP can't come soon enough.
And what about British expats? Do you think parts of Italy, Spain, Greece, Arabian countries etc. are terribly happy about influx of Brits who would not even learn how to say hi and thanks in the local language, who would regularly appear in public totally drunk and who would never care for local culture, food and traditions?
Thank Tony Blair. He was the one that let it become a free for all. And dont even mention the foreign students on bogus courses.
The Polish, the Latvians and whoever else is here are doing work that English people from Doncaster and Nottingham are now unwilling to do due to the benefits culture. Without the foreign workers, the daffodils, tulips, cabbages, sprouts and other veg would go to ruin in the fields. The shops in Boston used as Polish stores, Baltic stores etc keep the town centre busy... Come a few miles away to Kings Lynn and even though the town centre was revamped just a few years ago, the MAJORITY of the Vancouver centre shops are now empty due to high rates etc. Businesses tend to last as long as the 6 month contract on the shop rental. I live in between Kings Lynn and Boston and see a lot of Eastern Europeans on a daily basis. They are hard working and no trouble. As stated, many of the driving convictions in the area are the Polish with drink driving offences and the town called Wisbech which was the subject of a TV programme about immigrants has a lot of Polish alcoholics who have lost jobs.
First thing is to leave the eu then there is no excuse for things not to change for the better. The only party that wants out of the eu is UKIP. - No to the EU, England, United Kingdom ----------- Have you examined the issues? It is not true that '... there is no excuse for things not to change for the better.' Vote UKIP, get Labour. Do we really want Ed Balls and Miliband in charge? Farage just tries so hard to appeal to the common late-night pub voter with stormy monologue. What are their other policies, tax, NHS, education, national budget, etc? Can you name anyone else in UKIP?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent either to join the EU, or to allow mass immigration! The simple remedy, is to remove the entire LibLabCon from Public Office, start in May at County Council Level, and show them that we mean Business.
Time for a revolution before it is too late.
shut the borders. NOW. We are hugely over populated with our own people, let alone any Tom, Dick or Harry coming in from Europe. We are sadly strangers in our own country. Something HAS to change.
sorry but unless you have paid taxes and lived in this country for years then you should NOT be entitled to any benefits of anykind at all. NO excuses, NO ifs or buts. NOTHING. We both work full time, long hours and don't get half of what these immigrants are entitled to or get paid. Not fair on those of us who were born here.
Some of these comments are a bit like reading Hitlers diary
Why are some Brits so keen on making Poles hate them - Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 2/2/2013 13:24 ... Because we feel so utterly overrun by the huge influx of poles and others. Our country is reaching a point where it no longer feels like the UK anymore. We don't recognise it anymore. I bet it's not like that in Poland - why should we have to put up with it? It's not that we want you to hate us. It's not that we hate you - it's just that we want our country to be our country - not your country.
British people do EXACTLY the same things in other countries, which is something a lot of people seem to overlook. - Matty, Chester, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 10:06 Absolute rubbish !
All part of the European Plot!
my friend was in Boston Pilgrim Hospitals maternity unit 2 weeks ago. 19 births. 17 Eastern European. 1 Afro Caribbean. And, 1 English 15 year old girl. Nurses at breaking point. I am frightened in Boston thse days.
people say British workers wont do these jobs ????????, so who did these jobs like picking cabbage before we had the EU and its mass migration ??????. if people are out of work and such jobs are available, then shouldn't the local benefits department make a deal with farmers factory owners etc to get the unemployed into these job. might not want to pick cabbages, but if you out of work for years, and there a job over the road picking cabbage, then the person should be made to do the work or have benefit cut.. might seem unfair, but reality is if you want benefits but are not prepared to do a certain job, then too bad. so a job like that while you try and better yourself, dont sit on ass at home claiming.
The real problem are the traitorous Governments . They did not ask the indigenous people if they wished to be swamped with all comers . They did not ask if we wanted to pay benefits to their families back home from our taxes either.
Be careful what you complain about. There's always a worse road than the one you're traveling on. A lot of Poles, Irish, Slovenians, and other Euros have made their way into the hotel / restaurant / tourism industry in South Florida, where they're quite popular with employers and patrons. Clean, responsible, hardworking, quick to learn English if they don't already know it. They've replaced a lot of primitive third-worlders. But Europeans have to be careful, as if they let their VISAs lapse, INS is quite zealous about deporting people back to the UK or Ireland, though they never lift a finger to send anyone back south.
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........ delbert grady, overlook hotel, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 12:52 What's that got to do with it ? Brits abroad are not usually living on the benefits of the host country.
The country needs migrant workers, that's just a fact, but they shouldn't be allowed to come unless they have a job waiting, and no way should they be allowed benefits after three months!
Bulgarians and Romanians will try to undercut the Polish people if they can. I've heard in London, once whichever immigrant population it is becomes established and achieve more senior positions, any jobs are kept for their own peoples only, so it might now be harder for the Bularians and Romanians. More votes for New Labour - they will be pleased!
Although I think that the increased influx of non British to the UK, this story is no different than the British who too over the Algarve in Portugal in the 1970`s / 1980`s. Shop signs, street names and some motoring signs were written in English. Perhaps we now might know how the Portuguese would have felt back then. As a legal resident in Brazil, I can`t really make many comments about foreigners living abroad, however I do find it funny when British people think it great when their family or friends settle in another country, but when someone of a foreign country decides to settle in the UK, the British complain. Go figure.
We all share one world and we're all one species! Jesus, maybe you should all be enlightened from your community! Next we'll separate ourselves on eye colour!!!! Lets see how far english people (being an english woman myslef) go without immigrants! Theyre good for our country!
Europeans in the EU whos countries standards of living are lower than the UK will want to come to the UK for a better life, thats understandable, theyll work for less than the current population as it's still more than they would earn in their native lands, thats understandable.The problem is out of the 27 countries in the EU roughly 11 of them; Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Greece,Estonia, Czech Republic and Bulgaria (this is an ave range, it maybe + or -) clearly have lower standards of living and less generous welfare systems. That equotes to 41% of EU member states, this excludes candidate/potential EU member countries one of which is Turkey would also all fall in to this category of having lower standards of living than the UK. If these countries join the EU this figure would become 50% + This is reality.! What I dont understand is that with these facts our goverment seems to have done nothing nor is doing anything about it. THE UK IS A MAGNET!
Close The Borders NOW The UK is FULL. end of story NO Benefits, Housing, Jobs Just STAY in YOUR OWN COUNTRY We CAN'T COPE with any more our NHS etc in nearly on its knees.
Go to HM Government e petition website and sign the petition Stop Mass Immigration - hopefully if there are enough signatures someone may notice!
Tony Blair said some time ago that if we hear immigrants speaking in there own dialect we should say to them speak English . Try it here in Boston you would have a full time job and a sore throat even the little kid's dont speak English. Got a bloody lot two answer for that TONY BLAIR horrible man.
don't let immigrants in to the country. they will just work hard and make lots of money and show us British people up. - Maidenhead-doshi , Maidenhead, Uk, ======================= They are decent people, but many of the younger ones live up to 10 in a house, which means they can accept low wages as their bills are smaller. We were encouraged by Maggie to buy a house and live by the rules. A lot of people cant afford this now and are fed up with the rules too!
Nonsense article full of made-up stats.
unusually for the dailymail.. everything in this article is 100% true! immigration needs to be stopped completely.
I would hate to go to a town in Poland, Latvia or Lithuania and every shop on the high street was English, every sign was in English and everyone spoke English. It's the same principal. Every country should have it's own unique culture and sadly ours is being eroded by massive, excessive immigration. And those saying immigrants do the job us 'lazy Brits' won't, please give it a break - it's a myth, a lazy offensive stereotype and borderline racist.
Well DM. Yet another anti Polish story. When will you ever give up and leave them in peace?
WE DO NOT WANT THIS ENFORCED TAKEOVER
We can protest all we like, but when will the British people realise that the three main parties couldn't care less about our views on this, or indeed any other issue we have thats to do with preserving our way of life? They will make the right noises. They will assure you they are listening. At election time they will swan in with their entourage tell you that, "immigration is a wonderful blessing for the country, and we must celebrate diversity", then promptly leave for their nice home in the countryside subsidised by the tax payer. BUT NOTHING WILL CHANGE in the way you want, only the way THEY want! The policy is deliberate. The destruction of Britain as an independent nation is the plan and immigration the weapon to do it. Don't vote for this treacherous brood. They know that the only answer to regaining our borders is to leave the EU, but they won't do it. They are no more than glorified civil servants for Brussels.
Blah blah blah, vote UKIP, blah blah blah. Change the record, you brainless morons. Farage isn't going to save you from your own ignorance.
I got nothing against the migrants who come here to work. Its just the ones who come over to sign onto benefits and drain our tax revenues. Its also a bit hypocritical of the British complaining about foreigners invading our country after Britain's 300 year history of invading, ruling and going to live in other peoples countries without their consent (the colonies) which only stopped 40 years ago. Its a sort of karma.
Farewell Britain and all who should call her home.
It seems to be a thriving , vibrant town with a wealth of different shops selling lots of different things. The "ethnic" stores all seem to have their signs in English and I'd wager that the vast majority of the immigrant population speak English. What's the problem?
Its not going to be long before the lid blows off.
I will get red arrowed, but here goes: I understand that it is unpleasant to be surrounded by emigrants. But plese do not forget our fellow Bulgarian, who gave his life to save a 5 year old Britton. Our nation is not just gypsies and swindlers, they are just the majority who make the news...sadly. We are all human.
Sophie don't believe the hype we in the UK can not possibly be in the EU, when every living UK politician stands on trail for high treason you will have all the prove you kneed.
Is there anybody except polish immigrants working in that town? Answer that question -and you will see the bigger picture!
The rest of the country has had enough as well.
Daily Mailer Lisburn 12 57 You knock this country but dont YOU just kove the benefits WE provide for YOU free of charge ??????????????????????
Soon there will a Polish PM running this country?
Peter Bedford, leader of the Tory-controlled council in Boston, is proud that the town has the lowest number of empty shops in the East Midlands ------ Now that is something to be real proud of isn't it. Row after row of shops, serving the immigrant community, and not a Brit one in sight. Trying to do a B'Liar are you and hoping for an award from Poland.
Sir Herbert Butcher would have turned in his grave if he knew what Boston had become. It looks like the safe Conservative seat of 75 years, Holland with Boston will soon be changed.
Simple. Local businesses can choose who they hire...if the Bulgarians annd Romanians cannot get jobs they will not be able to claim benefits, unless they can prove self employment. The Government needs also to crack down on those fit for work but too lazy to do so, and stop the decline of family life and education, resulting in nearly feral and certainly illiterate people who are unemployable. There are plenty of jobs for British people-but small businesses have found that Europeans have a work ethic destroyed in this country by years of Labour's welfare dependency agenda. Who wants to employ a lazy, obese, unintelligible slob? The laws on what constitutes self employment and the threshold for obtaining a NI number needs to be higher-in my town we see Big Issue sellers who are clearly not homeless-they have nice big council houses. Those who turn up with nowhere to go, no job lined up and no money should be deemed as vagrant and sent back. We simply can't afford them.
Here we go again. All the UTWIT mob, who appear to wish for some form of magic, where all those born on another plot of land just disappear. Has it yet to dawn on you, that many of these shops would be empty if our polish FRIENDS, had not invested their money in the property and the goods on sale. And by the way, most of the rude, lazy and dishonest people who I have had the displeasure of meeting were....ENGLISH. And finally, what about all the UK "expats" (not migrants) who have moved to Spain, France, Portugal etc. Are you saying they should all be sent back to the UK?
We need to stop EU immigration sooner rather than never or this country is dead...
Ah, the good old Blair legacy. One man and his ego has changed the face of Britain forever. At least i can take pride in the fact that i never voted for his odious party. - Dirk Diggler , England, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 14:23 ----- This smirking, egotistical, meglomaniac didn't just change the face of Britain, he destroyed it, and for his own gain. T. B'Liar is the biggest traitor Britain has ever known. But hey, Poland have given him an award for solving all their unemployment problems at a stroke. Pity he doesn't stay in country he regards so highly and give them, a dose of TB.
presume you never go to an "English pub" or "Irish bar" when you're abroad? And you'd deny that any similar shops exist to service the expat British in Spain? - Jon, London, UK, 02/02/2013 06:54 ------ I couldn't think of anything worse whilst away. I am lucky enough to have a small house in the south of France, when there I speak THEIR language as do my children and eat in local French restaurants. The local Irish and English pubs that serve "full English breakfasts" have been band and driven out if business because of the undesirables it used to attract.
So they are scared of losing their jobs? It didn't seem to bother them much when 300 plus English workers lost their jobs in a meat factory in wirral. Production was moved to Boston and all the jobs went to East Europeans.Great isn't it now they are scared ,What for? All thats happening to them, is the same that happened to many round here.Worrying that you cant get another job,worrying are you going to have enough money to pay the rent or mortgage,worrying are you going to have enough money to pay the bills and get food.Give me a break you bunch of hypocrites. Now you will know how we have felt since you all started taking our jobs.
Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 2/2/2013 13:24. Are you suggesting that you would be happy to see a million British People coming to Poland? Would you be content to see them take jobs, housing, hospital places when they have just got into your country? I somehow doubt that you would. Perhaps you might change your tune if some of the millions of Romanians and Bulgarians head your way and you have to compete in your own country.
A guy from Bulgaria get off the plane and approaches the first person he see¿s and says ¿Thank you British for allowing me to come here for the free benefits and health care and a house¿ the person replies I¿m not British I¿m Polish. So he approaches another person and they tell him they are not British they are Afghani, this goes on for about 40 minutes and everyone he approaches says they are not British. Finally he approaches a woman and he asks ¿Where are all the British peoples I want to thank them?¿ the woman looks at her watch and replies, ¿it¿s 3 o¿clock so they will all be in work paying taxes for our benefits!¿.
I have just posted my letter to the Queen - requesting her views regarding the fact she can never be. Citizen of Europe it is impossible - so if she can't why can I? High treason springs to mind what say you Mr Hastings?
PHIL, LONDON your not british are you , ?
For or against ?, ultimately our policy on immigration will be made by the British electorate at the next election !. We can either vote for the Tory and Labour party's who have both adopted the EU immigration policy , which is what we have now !. Or we can vote for UKIP who will ask the British electorate to seize back control of our Boarders from Brussels !. So it's up to us !.
when will we look after our own and stop encouraging people to come here and ruin our country
Time to stop all immigration from EU countries,but our politicians are deaf to the pleas of the British public. - keith , leamington spa, 02/2/2013 14:24 And those English buying up all the Spanish property, living in enclaves, only buying English food and not mixing with the locals...
The UK is basically the toilet of the world, we take in all the crap no one else wants.
I'm sick of people saying things about the eastern europeans like: 'they do all the jobs the british wont' what rubbish. I am local to the area mentioned in this article. The truth is many companies unfairly employ those from eastern european nations over those from britain. I've personally experienced this. I am NOT a racist person, i'm just telling the truth based on first-hand experience. Many local people are angry and resentful. I can only see it getting worse... Saz, Peterborough, 2/2/2013 14:23>>>>>The thing is nobody wants to listen to the truth. It makes my so angry when we have comments saying the British are lazy and do not want to work, that is a lie and insult to the majority of British people in this country who do actually work hard. Myself and my family have all worked hard and paid into the system and never had to claimed benefits fortunately, unlike the ones that sadly have no choice through redundancy etc...stop judging the majority by the minority!!!!!!!!!
Welcome Poles! Bye bye UKIP
foreign workers should be ineligible for any benefits full stop. cant find work here then go home.
They have taken away child benefit from taxpayers so that they can pay for children from the EU. Anyone with children has to housed and it is so unfair. MP's don't care because their wages, benefits and pensions are gold plated. We the taxpayer cannot afford to pay for these people to come here and we don't want them here either.
The Latvian shop keeper looks lovely ,better than the old bag that served me in Co op last night .
it's a shame for those originally from Boston. I wouldn't like to live there - it sounds awful.
The red and green arrows tell you all you need to know about the British.
Like I said before, in countries like Singapore and Japan, benefits are only for citizens, if pay school fees even if you are a Permanent Resident, as long as you are not a citizen, you get nothing... so please its a simple rule, unless you are British nothing should be handed to you.
Vote BNP is the only real answer
come to corby northants. we have the same problem.
British for the British.
Thanks Blair, you were the prat that opened the flood gates, now aided by Cameron who has not the balls to close them.
I don't mind but some of these Eastern Europeans aren't used to seeing people who aren't completely white and their attitides and aggression towards darker skinned people is worrying
' This country is too soft,¿ says Ziedonis, 36, a married father-of-two who works alternate shifts with his wife, Vita, in a Boston flower factory. ' --- How right you are sir. Soft enough to have let you come here in the first place and take British jobs. Now the boot is on the other foot, you don't like it do you. Ha Ha !!!!!!
One positive from all the immigration is the women. They are all so hot. Hopefully the english women will start to buck their ideas up
Dave, Nick, I have been posting now for a few months saying not much common sense within the Cabinet, I'm afraid too cocky by half and now the chickens are coming home to roost, UKIP are going to do so well, the start will be Councillors of all colours will be replaced by UKIP, the Kippers will vote in their thousands, and next it will be at the General Election when people will take vengeance and vote out all the dross, the second home fiddlers, the expenses takers and those who expected a 30% pay rise and vote for UKIP to run the Country. There will be a few MPs on the dole and they will suddenly realise what it's like . Oh of course, the outgoing MPs will get a golden handshake to see them over the first few months but hey, we must stand firm and UKIP, do what must be done, can we have soon, a full manifesto to tell us what you plan to do. Nigel, tell us why we should vote for you. Common sense really, just a little bit of common sense and treat us like adults not mushrooms
Thanks Traitor Blair - this is your legacy. To all the previous immigrants: you're about to be undercut by Bulgarians and Romanians, so you'll soon be out of work. To Mary Beard: wake up and smell the coffee dearie, not the jasmine in your university cloisters.
The solution is quite simple to all this immigration/migration problem within the EU. If the politicians and EU commissars got together and instead of standardizing trivia such as driving licences, standardized welfare and benefits to make them the same payments throughout the EU, most of the movement of people just for welfare would fall dramatically. But there must be some reason why they don't do this which make me wonder about the intelligence of the people who are running the EU.
We should be like the USA! If you don't have a (real) degree in a subject such as science, maths or economics then go away.
The Government is supposed to be there FOR the people. We put them there for US. We put Labour in, they destroyed us. We put Conservative in - they were left with Labour's mess, but they still didn't do anything to sort it. Our only hope is UKIP. I am thrilled that so many people are beginning to see through the manipulative lies that Labour and Conservative feed us. The revolution is coming.
Immigrants worried they will lose their jobs to immigrants! Oh! The Irony of that.
let's move to Poland - JL , London, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:59>>> There's nothing stopping you..See you!
"They have a perfect legal right to be in the UK." That's the crux of the problem.
As a British Citizen, would I receive the same level of benefits if I moved to Poland as they do in the UK?
Want them gone? ... then stop buying supermarket veg. That is the sole reason they are here, to work in the suprefarms and factories. Remove the market; remove the problem
Another crazy fact. We pay £12.4 bn to the EU every year. The EU then gives some of that money to British companies as an incentive to move production to Poland ie Twyfords. RBS owned by the British tax payer lent $1bn to Kraft so they could make a hostile bid for Cadbury who then started moving production to Poland.
Look you racist dullards There are many millions of expat brits scattered around the globe if you kicked out all non natives from the uk but all uk natives were forced to return the population would increase it is the modern world, get used to it.
When I think of Eastern Europeans, I think that most of them are educated and willing to learn English, if they don't know it already. Be thankful you're not in the Southwestern US where you're having to deal with the third world at your door step.
Outrageous! Poles having shops and attacking our Britishness. ... Oh well... Time for my dinner...mmm...curry. ...
Just been very deeply insulted. Asked where I came from because my English accent was not recognised in London!
I am so fed up about all those bed news about polish people every day. I am polish, came to this country 8 years ago, never claimed any benefits. I have good job, pay taxes and mortgage. There are so many decent polish people around, working hard and NOT doing any harm. Why is it so bad that there are so many polish shops in Boston? As local businesses, those people pay taxes and are part of British economy. I am sure that you can find regular supermarkets in Boston like Asda or Tesco. If someone doesn't want to shop in polish delicatessen or eat in polish restaurant can go somewhere else. Few more articles like this and next think we know is that someone put fire in one of those shops, attacked hard working owner of the restaurant , or beaten polish kid in the school. Is that what you people want? This is my first review ever but I think this has to stop. Can any of you who put all those bad comments about poles give an honest answer: have poles really ever done anything bad to you???
I actually live in Boston, its a nightmare. Yes, all you can hear is foreign voice when you walk around town. Yes, there are streets and streets full of foreign shops. Yes, the the local paper is full of foreign criminals stealing, drink driving, stabbing each other and blowing them selves up trying to make vodka. dont belive me? google boston standard and look for yourself. When you go in my doctors surgery you are spoken to in Polish. The schools are full, the hospital a and e and police have a massive problem with drunken foreigners at the weekend. If you think there isnt a problem in boston and we should just get on with it, why dont you come and live here? I'd move away without a second thought and so would a lot of people.
Just the latest of waves of "immigrants". Before them it was the Asians and Caribbean islanders. Before that, exiles/refugees from WW2. The Normans invaded before them (admittedly many years before), preceded by the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. Even the Celts came from the continent and displaced the people living in the area before them. All were unwelcome outsiders. Eastern Europeans are no different. Al least they aren't claiming all the land like William of Normandy.
i have only been able to claim job seekers for 6 months and ive worked and paid tax for over 34 years but because ive just got over 16k in the bank i cant claim if i had my time again i would have lived for today and never saved for rainy day as you can claim everything if not worked and put a bit away
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........ - delbert grady , overlook hotel, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:52+++++++++Utter garbage you halfwit. Nerja is part of the costa del sol it's a TOURIST destination for thousands of British, German and Scandinavian people. If the Spanish don't want millions of tourists bringing in money then fine. The people going there or even retiring are not scroungers or benefit cheats.
This makes me so so angry. Great Britain is dead
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........stop exaggerating Delbert, well iam off down to the 'Ship' for a duvel or 5, in the sun mmmmmmm. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272195/The-town-thats-We-visit-town-countrys-biggest-influx-East-Europeans.html#ixzz2JklyyRgr Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
I actually live in boston and all the reports about the migrants are completely true. The schools,Hospital and police cant cope, you are greeted in my doctors surgery by a woman speaking polish to you. Boston used to be a really nice town to live in and now all you here are foreign voices, foreigners walking around town all day with a can of larger in their hand, the local paper is full of drink driving, shop lifting, stabbing each other and blowing themselves up trying to brew vodka, most of the names are foreign. If you think there isnt a problem in Boston, you come and live here. The only people who will tell you there isnt a problem are those that take advantage of these people because they will work for peanuts.
I see 2 separate Chinese takeaways. Will the Bostonians be provoking the Chinese as well?
Boston used to be a lovely town but now, sadly, it is like living somewhere during a meeting of the United Nations pubs and other such places have notices translated into Russian. Polish and Portuguese. But still dont complain....They might just up sticks and move further south.
England has always been 'invaded' over the centuries and millenia. Romans, Normans, Saxons, Vikings. It's what makes us good old Blighty. The Polish helped us during The Battle of Britain by supplying pilots. True it does suck when you walk down the High Street and hear nothing but balkan languages, but they come over here to WORK. Something some of our home-grown 'bulldogs' don't seem interested in.
" Why worry about these immigrants, they only come to do jobs, the Brits will not do. Too big in their shows to do menial jobs. ................." - Dogooder, CHELMSFORD, 2/2/2013 12:41" WRONG! Immgrants are more expensive than locals as they have to be housed and they have to be paid the same wages. But trust me, any work is better than JSA.
When the poles are worried about the next wave of immigration then we've got a problem on our hands.
let's move to Poland - JL , London, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:59..........................................You wold not be able to, the criteria for immigration into these countries is too great. Vote UKIP.
I am afraid that our slimy politicians have their noses so far up the EU's backside that they are deaf. It'll take nothing less than full scale riots to get them to looks and listen, if even then.
Do that not realize 50% of money paid to migrants is a export. They send a lot of it home, that money never returns to the local shops, your local handyman, your friends, your family and even the banks its all money that is lost. That is the true cost. Just like importing a car, the work is done in factories aboard and you never see the money paid to them workers again, just because they are living in UK instead, you wont ever see that money recycling into the country. Our trade deficit would be massive if it showed the real figures.
Why don't you just move to Poland/Latvia/Romania then, I believe it's quite quiet there at the moment.....and don't let the door hit you on the way out - Jenny, Durham, 2/2/2013 9:36 What a nasty comment! Phil is 100% correct! The DM faithful are the first to complain about the high streets being destroyed by out of town shopping Malls. where are the native entrepreneurs who would be prepared to open businesses in failed and derelict high street shops? hence the reason for the thousands of Asian run convenience shops,restaurants,off licences etc. Millions of Britons use these 'foreigner' shops every year and I for one prefer a bustling busy high street to the God awful boarded up miserable streets in some towns. I have just had my laptop fitted with a new keyboard by a Polish business, including collection,delivery +VAT it cost me £50. Long may they prosper and provide that old fashioned word... Service!
And to think when my parents came here from Japan and the Bahamas they were expected to work hard, carry their weight and not immediately claim benefits.
One minute your all complaining about all the people on benifits, if they all got of there bums , then there would be no need for all the migrants comming , as there would be nothing for them , you brought all on yourselves, and if your all not happy then do something about it , Have fun :)
So when are you people who are commenting going to actually get onto the streets and do something? No good simply typing and saying how 'annoyed' you are. - Chris, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 3:16 =============================================== Because we'd be arrested for inciting racial hatred or something similar, that's why.
i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:57 Then you haven't lived in Germany yet. As a Turk, I was born and bred in Germany and I've been living in England for 10 years and I can now tell you that Germany is more racist!! Yes, there are less German chavs and less binge drinkers, the Germans also have better teeth and (much) cleaner houses than the British but they are NOT less racist for sure. And this despite the fact that in general, foreigners in Germany (mostly Turks) are far less "exotic" than the ones in Britain! I doubt that this comment will be published but I'll try anyway...
Disgraceful. We didn't ask for this and we certainly don't want it. I fear the only way out of this is to vote UKIP in the next election. I really can't see any other way forward I'm afraid.
It's all about money. The function of immigrants is to keep wages down. I'm sure if it was legally possible to re-invent slavery here, someone would!
Hey if you don,t like the immigrants working here and claiming benefits.You can always go and do the same in their countries, but you won,t will you.I have been to many Eastern European countries and the people over there are far from racist unlike the great traditional yorkshire tv region.What you lot haven,t got the idea of yet is.that you also can live work and claim benefits in any European country east or west.It almost revolutionary.I myself have done this and experienced lots of other beautiful and unique cultures. Instead of complaining get out there live a little and do the same.Also many of these European workers speak fluent English witch means they are fluent in two languages.How many of you Bostonians speak fluently two or more languages.My guess is very few.Slavonic peoples are bright white and intellegent and hard working.You should be pround of them .Instead of been racist to them
"i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer, Lisburn, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 12:57" Really? But it is NOT racist to say that there are too many immigrants here when it is economic reality; but the real racism is against the Brits.
boston has been ruined.
Don't the Brits have their Ghettos in Spain. Ex pats usually stick together and don't often learn the host country's language.
Sad thing is we can't move over there, they have nothing!
Soprano2 if you move from the UK to Spain you cannot claim for child benifits I should think its the same in France , same old story the UK doesn't seem to treat its own with any respect
Only answer is for more stringent border controls. Don't let these masses in. Stick 2 fingers up at the EU if they complain. We have enough immigrants, many of them illegal, and more detemined efforts should be made to locate these people and repatriate them.
Wow how funny that question time are now going over issues from Angry English folk, the same issue which Nick Griffin was shot down for a couple of years ago, wake up the BNP have a addressed these problems for years, ok they may not always go about them in the right way but alot of what he said is very true, also don't think that UKIP aka Conservatives in disguise will do any good, all they want to do it privatize everything and make the UK the 51st state. If people stand up now this will be the entire country within 10 years!!
When people come on here and comment about how Brits have moved abroad so its the same thing us moving to their country,,,,,,its not when Brits move abroad they usually retire to warmer climates buy a villa or apartment and live off their pension that they have paid into all their working life in the U.K, so they don't claim benefits from Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, etc, etc,, but even Brits who take a chance on buying a business abroad i.e buying a bar or a restaurant etc then they also plough all their money into it and hopefully make a success out of it employing local people. So when we move to another country we don't get benefits like the immigrants that come here to the U.K and that is the main issue with the British people we are not racist we just don't want our hard working money that we have all paid into going to people who come here and take our money in free hand outs.
i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom @@@@ Then leave, no one will stop you.
Is the learn to speak English allowance still in the benefit system? whether you were born in the Uk the or not, can add up to a nice some of money every week, especially a large family. That alone is a magnet.
All courtesy of the Westminster pig trough. Still lucky for us that we have lots of hospitals, schools and houses that they can fill up plus lots of benefits for them. But as long as us suckers do nothing it will carry on. For this lunacy to stop vote U.K.I.P.
Wisbech,Cambridgeshire, has problems similar to Boston for the same reasons and causes.We have had two murders committed within one week,at least one of them by an East European.You remember the girl who was found on the Sandringham Estate is another Wisbech loss. Further,we have this week just acquired our 21st. Town Centre Off-licence, this one is Polish, despite objections from the Police. The public drunkeness has to be seen to be believed. Even the Parish Church can no longer remain open because of East European abuse.
Everyone from Poland I have ever worked with was diligent, honest, proud, smartly -even specially- dressed, and sent their children to extra Polish school on Saturday to value their own language and heritage. Maybe a few Brits have something to learn here. Hint: Stop spelling your names with 'W' - over here it's a 'V V' sound.
The Dutch Prime Ministers comment on the EU ""In terms of rules and legislation, it's a bit like 'Hotel California', you can check out but you can never leave," he said, adding that "you can never repatriate tasks to the national level." At last there someone else who can see the truth who is not from the UK.
Just like the U.S. as OUR dictator & his liberal Democrat Party are desperate for more voters to stay in power so they encourage legal immigrants with NO SKILLS to come...and the millions who come illegally who just prefer NOT TO WORK...ALL END UP ON WELFARE and the American taxpayer foots the bill...last 4 years well over a TRILLION dollars. That's the Obama era.
Time to stop all immigration from EU countries,but our politicians are deaf to the pleas of the British public.
Ah, the good old Blair legacy. One man and his ego has changed the face of Britain forever. At least i can take pride in the fact that i never voted for his odious party.
I'm sick of people saying things about the eastern europeans like: 'they do all the jobs the british wont' what rubbish. I am local to the area mentioned in this article. The truth is many companies unfairly employ those from eastern european nations over those from britain. I've personally experienced this. I am NOT a racist person, i'm just telling the truth based on first-hand experience. Many local people are angry and resentful. I can only see it getting worse...
More LABOUR voters then !!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't let immigrants in to the country. they will just work hard and make lots of money and show us British people up.
Very little mention is made in the British media of Social Dumping. Anybody in Europe can set up an agency that advertises for workers from anywhere in the EU to register with them as self-employed and then be hired out anywhere else in the EU. These workers are then exploited at low wages, poor conditions and are sanctioned if they complain. The agencies even advertise the lack of worker's rights as an advantage for the employers. It's happening all over Europe, there have been protests and demonstrations in Brussels, it's certainly happening in Britain as well but I've seen no mention of it in the British media. You have to google it. Who's keeping the lid on it and why?
Come, like me, to Cornwall, as so many English refugees from Leicester have done. Apart from a fewnutter Cornish nationalists it's still ENGLAND down here.
What about naming our shops BRITISH...........we wld of course be called racist ! Time to close our borders, and expel immigrants. Even those that pay their taxes send the money to their OWN countries and don't spend it in the British Economy................ time to stop apologising for the British Empire, and to become Empire builderrs here at OUR home. - Robbiegee, Bristol, 2/2/2013 11:51 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why don't you learn English and then come back and post your message again? It is a little odd to have someone rant about expelling immigrants when you are clearly one yourself.
The UK has more foreigners that it does ACTUAL UK born and bred citizens, I am sick of this!
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. - Phil Diamond, Maidstone, 2/2/2013 8:2.............................nothing stopping you pal, get up the A11 as quick as you can.
"Remove benefits from these 'lazy and stuck up Brits' and they'll soon go out into the fields to earn a crust - dismantle the welfare state per se."- Paul, Somerset____________I did all kinds of factory work through an agency (pre 1997) until I got a full time job. When I became redundant I went straight back to the agency and was faced with absolute chaos. It was packed, there was lots of shouting from people from everywhere and interpreters, I was the only British person there, not even the agency staff were British, when I eventually got to leave my details I didn't hear from them about any jobs - thank goodness for welfare. At least they were working though, if they have no job then they shouldn't be allowed benefits and shouldn't be allowed free health care etc.
.........."But in 2004, Britain opened its doors to the new round of EU member nations, while, crucially, not implementing the labour restrictions imposed by other countries such as France and Germany. The result was an influx of large numbers from Poland, Latvia and Lithuania, happy to be paid wages and accept living conditions well below the local norm". And who was responsible for this? Tony Blair who has not only admitted this, but is proud of the fact. And the reason? Because he (and presumably his wife) didn't think this country was "diverse enough". Well now we are so diverse that there are companies who won't employ anyone who doesn't speak Polish. There are schools where English children cannot understand the lessons because they are not being taught in English. WHY DIDN'T WE IMPLEMENT THE LABOUR RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY FRANCE AND GERMANY IN RELATION TO IMMIGRANTS? BECAUSE TONY BLAIR HAD NO RESPECT FOR HIS COUNTRY.
i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:57////// Did the people of Britain force you to come to live in this place you find so 'racist' and if it's so awful why would you want to stay here? These are honest questions and it would be interesting to hear the answer.
I know a Polish girl, through work and she told me their gas is VERY expensive and they have VAT at 25 percent..we are still a nice option for them. From that I gather their economy is bad. Honestly, I realise immigration has been going on for ages, but for god sake, govts. are ALLOWING this immigration to happen on a massive scale. What has Theresa May done to stop it? Oh yes, stop students and their money coming. Inner London is full of Muslims, I am just so frustrated and sick of it all...send those back who have been here five minutes and don't work and put a stop to it. UKIP will stop it for five years I believe..
All people seeking unemployment benefit in this country should be made to work for the community for one or maybe two days a week, to be eligible for payment..
Politicians,most of whom are not fit for purpose,are too busy feathering their own nests to be bothered about ordinary people.Britain will soon become the "sink estate" of Europe.
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........ - delbert grady, overlook hotel, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 12:52 Because most of these places are funded by British money.
Your government destroyed this country.
For the two men who work for the council being afraid to have their names mentioned by the reporter for the fear of being fired is an absolute disgrace. They agreed the services are at breaking point in Boston , I thought we had freedom of speech in this country. From reading what I have read today my mind has definitely been made up!!.....I AM VOTING UKIP.
An important issue is that regardless of who these immigrants are the increase in population is pushing the cost of living up to exorbitant levels for those in lower paid employment ,whilst at the same time driving down the rates of pay. This particularly impacts on those with only one wage. I suspect that many of them also come here to work to send the money back home to their families and therefore share accomodation. If 3 or 4 individuals are living in a property they can much more easily afford the inflated rent. Should this issue remain unresolved then I would predict that multi-occupancy will become the norm.
Then massively increase immigration from traditional "Empire" sources like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Jamaica. That'll counteract these Eastern European hordes.
I would gladly go to Polish shop rather thank Hallal shop - do not know what the hell is that!
To Delbert Grady - Yes, Nerja does have a few 'george and dragon' and 'shamrock' pubs (certainly not countless) which no doubt are ok. However a lot of Brits over there are getting wise to the better authentic Spanish bars like 'los Barriles' (Hola, Rafa!) and Dolores Bar. I guess the message here is that you have to learn to integrate without taking over. Respect the country you find yourself in. Hasta luego!
let's move to Poland - JL , London, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:59 Probably less polish there to!
All those moaning about uncontrolled mass immigration, ask them who they voted for and they will tell you one of the 3 main partys. What a load of dumbos. THEY VOTED FOR IT!!!! Johnny45
We need restrictions and we need them now, another big mess that we have been left in from the last goverment
I truly believe if nothing is done to sort this madness out. I can see civil unrest and riots from unlikly sorces from true Engish people who have paid into this once proud country all their lives just to see all their money given away to immigrants who have paid NOTHING into the coffers of this country..The cruel fact is that they laugh at us for being so soft and stupid...How long before someone decides to change the name of this country. to Great Dumping Ground...
You got to love the outrage and spittle flecked jowls of those complaining of photgraphs of foreign shops trading in the centre of good ole Engerlish towns.....shops sitting next to those with Chinese graphics on them advertising a Chinese restaurant. Something strangely and ineffably ignorant and misguided and xenophobic about all of that - but then I've been to places like Boston. It's the kind of place that regards people from Peterborough as invading immigrants so no-one should be particularly surprised. Maybe what they should do is tell the farmer and grower neighbours to stop importing cheap gang labour and illegal Chinese workers courtesy of Human Trafficking gangs. Who know - that might work and they could pick their own cabbages and daffodils. To flog in the local supermarkets cheap - because the labour costs are. The employers should be easy to spot....they'll be the ones driving the Mercs and Beamers.
I'd like to suggest that we welcome the hard-working Eastern Europeans, but export the UKIP nutters and closet racists... but who would want them?
Why worry about these immigrants, they only come to do jobs, the Brits will not do. Too big in their shows to do menial jobs. Typical was an example shown on ITV recently where a young couple are refusing to work because they are better of on benefits. What do you expect the immigrant to do. Brits to set good examples to the immigrants that work pays. You go to Rome you do what the Romans do.- Dogooder, CHELMSFORD, 2/2/2013 12:41>>>>>And whose fault is that? our government because benefits are higher than wages! As for the jobs Brits will not do...it was reported that local and people from the surrounding areas did actually do the work, which is seasonal, until the jobs were given to immigrants at a lesser wage. I wonder what they all do when the picking season ends? I really object to all the comments inferring that the Brit do not work hard, it is an insult to the majority of the people in this country who do. As with the immigrants do not class the majority on the minority!!!!!!!!
The problem is not immigration, it is benefits. There is nothing wrong with decent hardworking people coming to live in this country, makes a change from the lazy layabouts with no qualifications whose only ambition is to win x-factor or be a glamour model. Our culture is the problem, we have no work ethic, we value looks over intelligence, is it an wonder that polish people are doing all the manual jobs, most uneducated brits are busy watching Jeremey Kyle being funded by the state.
Where will it end? And how?
Don't blame the immigrants, blame successive Government for today's situation. Had previous Governments done the job (welfare that considers all situations) that we pay them to do, instead of creating a situation for their own ideological wet dreams, the situation, I believe would not be as bad or more manageable. Unfortunately for Tony Blair / EU, their master plan to swamp the UK with Labour voting immigrants is slowly back firing on them.
The best thing us students can do if we graduate is move countries. As a descendant of immigrants who came here to work, yes work, in the 1950's and not claim benefits, even I feel that the future looks bad for us graduates. Immigration isn't bad but its when you let the whole world come in and claim benefits for their 64 kids within 20 seconds of landing in the UK and then you're given a mansion to live in, then there's something wrong. The countries in a recession, the people born here can't find jobs but the government decides to let in more immigrants. I just hope to get a degree and move to the US. I know the irony of that but I want to move there for a job and not like the people come here to claim benefits.
Is this what you're going to do until the referendum , Daily Mail? Release sensationalist stories about immigration? Maybe lets see how daily mail readers react to leaving the EU when they don't get cheap flights to benidorm and marbella anymore. Fools.
By many of the arguments here, we should have retired from world war, invited the Germans to open businesses, take jobs, turn old towns into whatever they liked and congratulate them on their discipline, love of work and ability not to drop too much litter...the point is, if you live in Boston, you would know a) you can barely get through this small town car in less than an hour at peak times, b) actually the street pictured is shabby and that sense blows through the town in a way it never used to and c) no one is suggesting a hate of East European migrants, they are suggesting that overly rapid social and economic change breaks down consensus and erodes cohesion, introduces competition for resources, undercuts local labour and creates too many deaths and road accidents, so that actually if you expanded this across The Fens you would get a nasty shock. But then fans of all this don't live in The Fens, do they?
So the Polish people who came here and forced down the wages of the local people are now going to be subject to the same situation are not happy. They did not seem to mind when they were doing it to the indigenous population. It seems that the only people who profit from migrant workers are the gang-masters and the farmers who employ people for a pittance and throw loyal workers on the scrapheap and employ cheaper alternatives. This country is finished. Very soon it will collapse and there will be mass civil unrest. No wonder the wealthy are feathering their nests. They are getting ready to fly the coop when the whole sorry system breaks down.
The problem is that many of these immigrants will be working in the black economy, sucking all the benefits and paying no Tax....also many streets in he UK are now littered with building vans (foreign registered)...and they all deal in cash....staying in rented houses and create squalor..in their front and back gardens
I actually don't have a problem with people living here as long as they are prepared to work for their living. It's when they start claiming benefits and acting like they have a right to it. I think we should be more like Australia and have a points system for people who want to move here.
Should people give up their house and go and live doing bed shifts in sqalid conditions so that they can afford to work for the wages now offered for this type of work ? Is this what the brits have to look forward to when all the dole money has run out. This started years ago, I used to do seasonal farmwork, potato picking etc when I was young, 40 + yrs ago in Lincolnshire, then the Irish gangs started coming over and all the farmers employed them as they were "quicker and cheaper" than local folk (or so they said... I think cheaper was the most important factor though) now it's the eastern block people ...seems they can pay them even less. Why do we keep selling ourselves out like this. Our Grandparents must be turning in their graves to see what has become of the country they laid down their lives for.
Maby that is how Tony Blair can afford all those houses, prizes from all the eastern countries who have dumped their unemployed in the UK.
It should be noted british names lead the number of assaults. Why are we still being patronized. And how come these people can undercut the minimum wage, or does it not apply to them.
"True, BUT records only for 12 WEEKS, after that the Aladdin's cave of benefits is open......" ~~~~ not the case....but then I guess if you don't have to worry about such thing as redundancy because hubby is doing well by you, you wouldn't know. You have to have 2 years worth of NI contributions to qualify for JSA....and that only qualifies you for 6 months non-means tested support. Put another way...it's only 2 years of NI that count. The previous years you might have worked and paid into the system...some for 30 years and more and utterly ignored. All those contributions.....that count for nothing for IBS and Cameron and others who will allow those out of work to be branded as scroungers and benefit dependant.
I always thought to claim Child Allowance the child had to be living with you - or has this changed?- Soprano2, Dijon, 2/2/2013 12:55 +++++++++++++++ Its changed.
Barry, henrythecat does know his history, and very well. No Pole who fought with Allied forces was ever sent back to Communist Poland.
"i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic. - Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:57 ................................................................................................................................................................................................. So why on earth don't you go back to your own country then? Great thing about this country anybody is free to leave.
i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic.- Dailymailer , Lisburn, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 12:57 ++++++++++ Why live here then.
I am czech working here 3 years.I pay to taxman 150 weekly and get 20 childbenefit.You can count 130 pounds every week for last 3 years..I m not on benefits,have no house benefit,no tax credit.
I bet all those shops would be empty and boarded up if it were not for the Poles. We are in Europe it works both ways, how do all the Spaniards or Croatians or French etc feel about us buying properties over there. If they are working and paying our taxes (and keeping our High Streets open) we have no cause to complain.
It is these immigrants that are saving Britain's High Streets. Without their hard work, innovation and entrepreneurship our town centres would be empty shells. Tesco Town or Little Poland? I know which I prefer.
Would the Poles be happy if a millions Brits flooded their country demanding Free Housing, Free Schools, Free Hospitals and GP's, plus Child Tax Credits and Child Benefit? Would they be quite content to see jobs go to those Brits before them? No answer necessary.
"Hi Boston, the most intolerant town in England, and racist too boot - veritas , birmingham, 02/2/2013 12:17" This comment is untrue and extremely insulting. Boston is not racist. The people are not intolerant. Problems exist and more will appear after next January e.g. Pilgrim Hospital was recently criticised for reduced levels of care. It has to deal with a 20% increase in population whilst being expected to cut funding. The indigenous population suffer. The Poles, Latvians etc are aware that they will suffer next and don't approve of the open door immigration policy anymore than English Bostonians.
When this small country of ours sinks into the sea.. What will we do then...?- Martin UK , Wiltshire, United Kingdom ---- You can come to India, we are more open minded people
Some facts as published in the DT a couple of weeks ago: There are 500,000 unemployed Europeans in this country and 146,000 of them have never worked. So why do we need any more? Once you step ashore in this country and you make your way to the benefits office and state you are self employed and intend to be a resident here you can start claiming benefits from day one. That is free housing, healthcare, schooling etc. If I could plonk myself on the Costa del Sol or the Algarve etc. and do the same and get the same benefits I would not mind so much. In fact we would not not have any unemployed, they would all be sunning themselves on the Algarve drinking Mateus.
All the MP's that voted for us giving our powers to the EU should have their home constituancy designated for immigrant workers. Then at the next election their local voters can decide. Simples
Well now you know how it fells to be invaded......english has been doing this for centuries, but now the same thing is happening to them...ohh and they don't like it. This is called being in somebody's elses shoes?
Last night me and my hubby went to the supermarket over the road, he had just finished a long shift at work and it was around 7pm, the supermarket was pretty quiet at this point, as we did our shop a bunch of romanians came in, about 4 men and 3 women, they had a young child and were very vocal, rude and intimidating. As we queued one woman kept standing really close to my husband, as i told him to move away she looked at me with a grin. As we left, she was in the carpark with a group of other men, all babbling away really loud. We just quickened our pace and went home. The area we live in has seen a massive change over the last few years, romanians polish etc are slowly taking over here, i wish we could move!!
Typical inmigrant mentality: let me and my family and my friends and my country in... but no one else
Think its about time the goverment started to listen tens of Thousands of green ticks must mean tens of thousands of lost votes for the parties supporting this crazy EU imagration law . Just one newspapers readers views . it must run into millions of votes over the whole country .
Vote UKIP!
Great Britains finished and all the British know it now. Our country has been completely ruined by the politicians allowing unlimited immigration to go on and on whilst also being completely inept at dealing with crime. Still you cant blame David Cameron he's been too busy giving all the tax payers money away to overseas countries. It's unbelievable, pathetic and very very sad.
We said this would happen. We were told we were racist. We were right. We say we'll be inundated with Romanians and Bulgarians. We're told that we're racist. We'll be right again.
I only commented to my husband yesterday about this. I walked through my local town of Spalding (about 15 miles from Boston) and was gobsmacked by the amount of foreign shops. In some cases I had no idea what services they were offering or selling as all the window displays are in a different language. By doing this they are currying no favours from the locals but segregating themselves. I live in England, not Poland. If you come to live in our country, use our language.
They are welcome to it , Lincolnshire has to be the most boring county in England .
Why are some Brits so keen on making Poles hate them
At least THEY WANT to work & it seems they do....Enough said
Pretty much everyone on this island is an immigrant. Teutonic tribes have invaded and Vikings, Danes, Romans and Normans. Before that, when the North Sea was land people from all over walked across and settled. Later we had Jewish people, Caribbeans, Irish, Romanies, Polish from the Second War Indians and Pakistanis from our Empire days. So before you complain - remember: you might come from an old immigrant family yourself. - Resnam, Sandbanks, 2/2/2013 11:29 ------------------------- There always has to be SOMEONE who posts a comment such as the one above. Well indeed those words are correct but the difference is 1000 or 500 years ago we didnt get immigrants bleeding the country dry such as we do now. BRITAIN IS BROKE WE CANNOT AFFORD ANY FURTHER MASS IMMIGRATION. But sadly until politicians are forced to live in the ghettos their policies have created NOTHING will be done
What's good about immigrants working longer hours for less pay - people have campaigned hard for workers' rights only to have them undermined by greedy employers and grasping immigrants (yes I mean grasping - grasping at health, education and housing - they may be working but it will take a generation of tax to pay for the services they are using).
Hang on a moment - Tony Blair, the architect of multiculturism, wants to come back as PM for Round Two. OK Tony, came and see what else you can ruin.
This is the real reason for the bedroom tax to force old grannies who have lived in their homes for 40 or 50 years to give them up so the Immigrants and all their children can move in. I don't blame the immigrants I blame the British people for allowing the Tyrannical British government going back to 1970 and Heath for standing by while they murder the British people. Now is the time for mass civil disobedience this really is crunch time, if you don't stand up to Cameron and Clegg Now you never will and you have no right to ever complain again.
Melting pot Britain anyone? Don't understand all these anxieties about immigrants, the bulk of who are actually contributing a great deal to the betterment of this country. We have NOTHING to fear from each other, despite what the politicians tell you.
Don't say anything about Mary Beard having no clue what she is talking about or she'll accuse you of being a troll and get your website shut down.
If they are not breaking the law, then they are not doing anything wrong.
So, we have a vibrant local economy, full shops with low crime and unemployment. What is there not to like? Are yes - people talking in funny languages. There is a major problem which the DM is keen to exploit. Step forward the usual suspects - the EU, Tony Blair and dodgy council officials. Just stop the hand wringing pretence. The DM and its readers do not like any form of immigration and would support the BNP if it were possible.
I notice that it's never entrepreneurs or successful person who complain, even if they don't actually employ migrants. Obviously they've got better things to do but apart from chavving about spouting hatred. Ah well, a new episode of Eastenders is just around the corner!
Its simple and i can stop this happening in two words VOTE UKIP
Could it possibly be an story pandering to those who are looking at immigration as the cause of our problems. This has always been the reaction of some. Let's get it in perspective . What about all the Brits that went to Australia, NZ and the US and stole all the best land off the native people who were living there.Think what our population numbers would be if all those had stayed at home. What about all the pensioners sitting around all day in the south of Spain. Very very few of us are not related to immigrants. Some longer ago than others. My family game from Scandinavia about 1000 years ago. But I'd like to bet the locals were not pleased to see them even then. I have a theory that the ones who have been here for the shortest time often shout loudest. Another case of pulling up the drawbridge
Brilliant news! I would love to live in Boston! A thriving town with hard working people! It seems really vibrant! Attractive Blond East Europeans serving you in shops! What fool would moan about that! Sounds great to me
It's unfortunate that British people consider themselves to good for certain jobs so the immigrants are needed. It's an irreversible mess.
Why do none of these people who are desperate to get to more modern countries with better facilities and benefits, free health, etc., not stay in their own country and try and improve that??? This country didn't have all the facilities and benefits we have now, they had to be planned and paid for. Since the people coming here have no interest in improving the lot of their own country, they are not the innovators and the 'great minds' who will stay and try and make things better, they are the feckless who will go anywhere for an easy ride. and the criminals who will go anywhere to escape justice. What, precisely, can the do-gooders tell me, are these people bringing that this country needs????
People who quote the number of Brisih people in Spain or France fail to understand the difference between people who emigrate but bring wealth with them and people who need benefits to survive. People who buy houses in Spain France Portugal or wherever are self sufficient.
"David Cameron is going to have a revolution on his hands if immigration carries on like this. - nannyjan61" Sadly, I don't think that will ever happen - unlike some other countries, even protests are quiet affairs and rioting is very rare. The British fighting spirit is long gone thanks to years of social engineering. People are scared to speak out against immigration in case they are branded "racist" (a word that seems to be very overused these days). Even the national flag is apparently offensive to some. Our forefathers, that went to war to fight for our freedom, would be very disappointed in what has become of this country and it's people. Unfortunately, the end of 2013 will come and and the invasion will continue - the British people will do nothing.
Oh no, an influx of gorgeous natural blondes from the Baltics... who'd want that in their town!
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........ - delbert grady, overlook hotel, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 10:52 I'm sure it is, in the Spanish newspapers. But seeing how this is an article about immigration into Britain in a British newspaper, I don't see the relevance of your comment.
Its not just Boston though, it is every town City and village in the UK. There hgas been too many allowed in.
The problem is not the hard working East Europeans but rather the million or so UK scum that we should send East!
Lets face it the eastern Europeans are taking over the world....Every country has them lots of them...but they prefer here because our government is soft.
A revolution is coming and I for one will be in the frontline along with millions of other Brits to one day claim our country back.
let's move to Poland
Its to late now,lay back and think of how England was.For it will never ever be the same again.
i lived in britan for about 8 years now, and i can say that this is the most racist place off all. its pathetic.
When this small country of ours sinks into the sea.. What will we do then...?
I always thought to claim Child Allowance the child had to be living with you - or has this changed?
Not only are the schools doing well, but - unless someone's been selective with the photos - the place looks very clean and well presented. I notice the only increase in crime has been motoring offences too. It's a shame the government isn't helping this town financially to cope with the increase in population, it could have turned into a success story for them. As usual the powers that be don't seem to grasp that there are repercussions once these people pass through Border Control. At least the Poles have a good work ethic and don't appear to keep the place like a slum.
Skilled immigration yes ! Benifite
In Nerja (Spain), English is the second language, and brits make up 1/3 of the population. there are countless "george and dragon" and "shamrock" pubs. how come the DM has never mentioned this........
"Remove benefits from these 'lazy and stuck up Brits' and they'll soon go out into the fields to earn a crust - dismantle the welfare state per se. - Paul, Somerset, 2/2/2013 10:45" Remove the welfare state and you will have anarchy. 20 million soon to be 30 million unemployed Brits will take to the streets... not pretty. On the otherhand it would mean that the world would see just how corrupt Britain has become.
Which EU government campaigned most vigorously to open the EU doors to Romania and Buglaria, pursuing the old trick called "the most countries in, the more difficult for the European Union to turn into a political union"? You guessed it, the British government! Perfidious Albion, always. Now, for once, it looks like the chickens are coòing home to roost.
Carrie24, - "Boston was a notable town and port founded in the 11th century by the English." Actually, Carrie, it was founded by those new immigrants, the Normans, who came to England from France but originally from Scandinavia if you know your history.
Proof that Mary Beard doesn't have a clue.
Gooie and Selby are just the same.
Okay, knock all these shops down. Then knock anything British related in a foreign country. I'm sure then you'd soon be complaining.
Why worry about these immigrants, they only come to do jobs, the Brits will not do. Too big in their shows to do menial jobs. Typical was an example shown on ITV recently where a young couple are refusing to work because they are better of on benefits. What do you expect the immigrant to do. Brits to set good examples to the immigrants that work pays. You go to Rome you do what the Romans do.
Go to Malaga or Mijas and it\s the same there except its the brits who can\t even speak spanish after living here for 5 years and still expect to get everything in english including the BBC SKY etc without paying licence fee or subscriptions and then expect to sue the Health service and primary schools to all be in english for there children. They act like they are the most entitiled folks in europe.
White on white hate. Sad to see. As a black man I weep.
If English is not the first language in parts of the UK , then, How does the Government services hope to function within the financial boundaries that are set ? I like to hear this because as a person who has lived in various countries it has become clear the language is the first place to start if you want to WORK.
Henry the cat please read your history. Thousands of Poles were sent back to Poland after the war and many were executed by the communists. Not made up but fact.
Come to Tower Halets -. chage the demography there
Balanced article but it does raise two observations.(1) The polish seem even more concerned re the coming influx of workers than the british do becacause these new folks will be doing exactly the same as they did.. Namely undercutting the hourly rate (2) The British are accused of being paraniod re immigration numbers, yet the settled migrants appear to be voicing the same concerns. It will be very interesting to be reading these threads this time next year.
You need work history in this country before you claim benefits, you need National insurance contributions paid before claiming JSA and all that. Stop this Nonsense for God sake!- MumOfaLittleKitten ,11:47--------- True, BUT records only for 12 WEEKS, after that the Aladdin's cave of benefits is open.
oh come on you brits, did you forget that the great british empire colonized so many nations and robbed them of their resources for so many years?? whatever goes around comes around. live with it! or wait till the day, that noone wants to be in your country anymore, start leaving, that is when you should start panicking!- substitute, berlin, Germany, 2/2/2013 10:08>>>>>>>>>>>>We have paid that debt in full many times over! And of course other European countries have never colonized nations...you are not so squeaky clean. And who committed some of the most heinous crimes in history! any chance of a comment DM.
This European union experiment has been a complete disaster for Britain and the British people,what have we ultimately gained from being in Europe? The disadvantages far out way the advantages. Could you imagine America agreeing to form an Americas union involving all the south American countries, I think not ,as they know they will be swamped by all the poorer countries.That's exactly whats happening here,and its getting worse and worse everyday. I really believe something will give,unless some drastic action is taken.
WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK . WE WERE NEVER ASKED IF WE WANTED HALF OF EUROPE IN OUR TOWNS AND CITIES FIGHT BACK THE ESTABLISHMENT VOTE UKIP NEXT TIME ROUND
All these immigrants will bankrupt the welfare system and then they will go home and we are left to pick up the pieces
The British education system and the NHS were never designed to be used by the whole of eastern europe.
*** VOTE UKIP! GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!*** LIEBOUR & CONS OUT!!! WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
It's dogooders like Resnam that make me sick. When we start sending all these freeloading foreigners back you and your dogooding labour left wing idiots can go with them.
They shouldnt let the bulgarians or albanians in, any job done by a polish person should be offered to a British unemployed if someone is willing to do the job then the polish is replaced by the British worker and they can either seek employment elsewhere or go home. There are 1000's of jobs that polish have taken from British workers, and their job networks and connections are 1000x better than any jobcentre advisors, the jobs polish secure are under the radar they never even appear on any JSA machines.
It is going to get worse, much worse, and all thanks to our air-headed politicians and the EU, and why they are leting so may immigrants into this country when there is no work available is beyond me, and I have come to the conculsion that someone is making a lot of money out of it, the qestion is who..!!!
Meanwhile the businesses owned by politicians and their fat cat freinds are doing great with all the cheap labour that they have available. The mugs who actually pay tax (not those businesses, they dodge most of it) have to pay off the Brits with welfare payments so the employers can hire the immigrants more cheaply. Effectively they have parked the British unemployed they deem too expensive at tax payers expense.
Boston - "Founded by Botolph who was a Saxon monk. So, Saxony is in Eastern Europe is it?" Master of Twiddly, Colchester, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 10:16 Yes - I would suggest that Saxony, a landlocked state, which borders Poland and the Czech Republic might well be considered to be in Eastern Europe.
ouldn't we rename the Isle of Sheppey "Little England", move all the Little Englanders there and let the rest of the country get on with life?- John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 9:46 ++++++++++++ Fool, you're not a Little Englander in England, only when you go abroad, just like the Little Poles and Little Latvians etc. over here.
Trust me.....you don't have an immigration problem. We're poised to grant blanket amnesty to 12-15 million mostly Latino immigrants. Wanna trade? We'll take your Poles, Romanians, Latvians and Ukranians. You can have our Mexicants, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Panamanians and Puerto Ricans. - Jason Rite , Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, 02/2/2013 12:19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. But you have a MASSIVE country don't you? Or do you really believe that unfettered immigration is good for a small island with finite resources and land?
Thanks Blair, Brown. You go off and enjoy your £millions and the rest of us will just live with the total mayhem you have left behind.
If you voted either Labour, Tory or Liberal in the last election or the one before that, then you completely forfeit your right to make any comment on this subject in the form of moaning or complaining. You just don't have the right. YOU, that's right, YOU caused this problem, and you almost certainly will vote the same way next time, because that's the type of person you are.
The irony is the lady that spoke out against it on question time is second generation Polish anyway...
People have mentioned that Poland's economy is better than ours.. BUT would it be so without the EU subsidies that they receive (WE are net contributors, remembe, and do not get back what we put in, whereas they are net gainers ) and would it be so if the Polish shops here were selling British goods and hence using OUR economy? Would it be so if much of the tax-credit cash and child benefit were not sent to Poland and spent there? I think THAT should be the next information sought by DM. The detailed "Cash Balance Sheet" needs looking at for all these and more.
ROBERT, WHY DO YOU THINK MANY, INCLUDING ME VOTED UKIP AT THE LAST ELECTION AND WILL DO SO AGAIN...........NOTHING WILL CHANGE IF YOU VOTE TORY/LIB/LAB!!!
They were honoured and there was never any question of returning them to their Soviet occupied home countries. Why do people like you have to invent and distort to make a point? +++++++++++++ Its being done all the time nowadays, these quislings invent history to suit their own lying ways.
We need to drop the EU, and focus on are own people, I personally see the people of Britain having to take action, our government won't, this needs to stop before its too late, just wish someone took a stand, they would have my backing, civil war???
It is getting really boring.Witch- hunt. Nobody writes about Indian or African shops, which in some parts are dominant. If you have any problems with immigration, at least be objective and address the whole problem, not vindicate the Eastern European, for the fear of being accused of racism. What happened to the free word when you cannot express your opinion, based on fact, that UK have much bigger parentage of other nations, who do not work, do not speak English but somehow receive financial assistance and accommodation from state. This hypocrisy is going too far, taking attention from real problems.
what no one mentions are those immgrants in scoial houseing and the money sent back home lost too our economy yes lost a britsih worker spends all his money here hopefully on british products but say a polish will not spend all there money here save it and buy a hgouse back home all that money lost from our system and thats wats basicaly wrong with immigration years ago you could only take so much money out of the country
Pretty much everyone on this island is an immigrant. Teutonic tribes have invaded and Vikings, Danes, Romans and Normans. Before that, when the North Sea was land people from all over walked across and settled. Later we had Jewish people, Caribbeans, Irish, Romanies, Polish from the Second War Indians and Pakistanis from our Empire days. So before you complain - remember: you might come from an old immigrant family yourself.- Resnam , Sandbanks, 02/2/2013 11:29 +++++++++++++I'll complain if I want to, just like the Poles and Latvians are already starting to complain about the Romanians and Bulgarians coming over here.
Why are the powers that be beggaring our country? I and everyone I know cannot understand this immigration policy.
Now you know why Tony Blair got an award from the Polish Govt ???????????????
The DM seems to have struggled with this 'controversy' - the school has shown outstanding promise (despite the immigrants), the Tory led council says it's not making any difference, the DWP are telling lies, as they have ALWAYS asked for ethnic origin on any form for many years, and the DM is calling the town 'the cabbage capital of Britain' which is pretty insulting to the residents................ In short, they haven't got a crisis.
Cheers Mr Blair.
I moved from the U.K. several years ago to Cyprus. I have seen the effects the eastern Europeans have had in this country. A vast amount of jobs are now carried out by them leaving a lot of Cypriots out of work. Maybe the U.K. government should send a delgation here to see the the effects this causes the economy here. D,C. Paralimni, Cyprus.
Trust me.....you don't have an immigration problem. We're poised to grant blanket amnesty to 12-15 million mostly Latino immigrants. Wanna trade? We'll take your Poles, Romanians, Latvians and Ukranians. You can have our Mexicants, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Panamanians and Puerto Ricans.
Why do you think companies prefet to hire them? They do get the same wages as British workers but work harder. When I can buy my first home I will definitely have Polish builders instead of British! - Viorica, London, 2/2/2013 11:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yeah.............................well good luck with that!
Hi Boston, the most intolerant town in England, and racist too boot
HA HA What one sided reporting at least the shops are not empty like most other town centres. The locals can not compete dont make me laugh most of these have never worked and never will and two thirds of the names at the local court are eastern european well in parts of London etc two thirds would be Asian names where there are large communities of people. Its not their fault our benefit system is so soft but its also a way for these Brits who have claimed all their lives to blame immigration on the fact they can not find work not the truth that they dont want too, no sooner claim from our soft system. Get off your backsides fill these positions and then there will be no work for the polish etc.
Curiously, what control do we have over how long foreign registered cars can stay in UK. And I would be curious how many parking and speeding fines they attract every year against those successfully pursued.
11 weeks now I have been waiting for Jobseekers Allowance. Do all immigrants have to wait that long? And then they check what contributions Iv paid, (30yrs I have) What I don't understand how they get all these benefits when they haven't contributed in this country EVER!
I used to be a 'dyed in the wool' Tory, but as of the next election I'm strictly UKIP.
It's 21st century. Globalization has changed the world and is continuing to do so. Shutting the doors, locking yourself in the room and then hiding in the cupboard isn't the way forward.
Big up the East Europeans i sees ya
I lived in Poland for three years, so I can't really comment. Weird to see the shops though and still to understand what the words mean in the windows.
How did we cope before 2004 with collecting vegetables from the land, and what jobs do migrants do in november to april when theres no harvest or flowers to pick ?
The Politicians say immigration is necessary as they can't get local British people to do the jobs in the fields and the low paid jobs. What they forget is that the children of the immigrants compete with our children's for schooling and jobs. It really is the most disgusting situation that the country has got like this but remember it was LABOUR that caused this mess. Never forget the names of the Labour ministers that are responsible for it.
Poland is not a Eastern European country! will you people ever learn? **Poland Listeni/¿po¿l¿nd/ (Polish: Polska), officially the Republic of Poland (Polish: Rzeczpospolita Polska; Kashubian: Pòlskô Repùblika), is a country in Central Europe**** !!!! Got it now?
Is there a border control in Lincolnshire do you have to show a visa to enter if I come to the UK can I claim money
Poland is in central not eastern Europe. Get your facts straight DM
I see Tony Blair got an award from Poland for letting all it's citizens free access to Britain, it must be in Labours advantage flooding the UK with Labour voting immigrants ????????????????????????????????????????
They had to get a translator in at my benefits office today... Somebody came in speaking English !
We now know how the Spanish and Majorqines must have felt in Benidorm, Malaga, Palma etc Big bright shop signs in English for all to see- English Breakfast sold here. Chicken and Chips sold here. Banger's and mash sold here. Handkerchief for a sunhat, pants with braces, ay up, giv us a pint.......... Paraletic drunks littering the streets Foul English language. Rape of their language There you go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whether the mass-influx of Eastern Europeans has been a positive or a negative, is neither here nor there: The fundamental question should be where was the democratic mandate for this? It's happened completely without our consent. I mean, do we live in a democracy or not? Our governments are acting like fascist dictators. - Tincture , London, 02/2/2013 10:17 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the 21st Century social and government innovation of "Dictocracy". Vote UKIP to end this madness.
I am completely perplexed by comments from others who don't live in ghettos, ( and places like Boston ) they pontificate about how wonderful and enriching it is by literally filling parts of the UK to overflowing. This is mass immigration by no other name. Those who believe it to be wonderful are usually living in areas with very nice post codes. Get in the real world and stop lecturing others who are genuinely concerned.
I live here in Peterborough, and can assure you that the immigrant problem is making all our social and health services creak with over use! Of course, our Council refuse to acknowledge this fact, or even admit how many Immigrants we have here? Maybe it's time that we have a new definition of what an immigrant is? Disregard where they come from, or what race, colour, or creed they are, they should be classified as people NOT born in this Country? And for them to take any of the Benefits , they should have residency of 5 years? Mind you if this method was used, I think that we would be really worried by the sheer numbers! I also think that there are very few Peterborough people who can boast of more than 3 generations who have local connections?
This is a very nasty and unnesesscary press campaign. I live and work in Bulgaria, i'm Irish. There is a large expat British community living here, upwards of 3000 people. The Bulgarians are a very welcoming, warmhearted, generous people and nothing at all like portrayed here in these articles. People here know the truth, there are not and wont be ques of people trying to get to the UK. The young Bulgarians here dont understand why these lies are being written about them. All this will achieve is a backlash against the expat comunities living here, who have up to now enjoyed a great relationship with their Bulgarian neighbours.
Speak as I find! I looked up a computer repair shop online and dropped a my laptop off last thurs afternoon to see if they could rescue it after a glass of lemonade was spilt on the keyboard, I have just collected it this morning c/w new keyboard and and in perfect working order, they also cleaned up the register and cleared dust from the fan! The cost was £50.00. and that included ordering the keyboard and the delivery charge. The two polite young men who looked after me in perfect English are Polish and I will have no hesitation in giving them my custom again... They are a benefit to this country!
it's no different to the mix of British pubs and restaurants you get in ex-pat communities in Spain but I don't see you moaning about that because it benefits THE BRITISH.- LK_London, London, 2/2/2013 9:39>>>>>Spain is a very large country unlike the UK, many of the people that go there from the UK are those who have retired, they are not given social housing, filling Spanish schools to bursting point or keeping the maternity wards full to brimming, and do not get any social benefits at all...you do get British restaurants and pubs but they do not out number by any means the Spanish establishments. Spain is still mostly Spanish! Diversity is good but not at the expense of a countries own identity and culture! Do think that Poland would allow this if it were reversed?
Pretty much everyone on this island is an immigrant. Teutonic tribes have invaded and Vikings, Danes, Romans and Normans. Before that, when the North Sea was land people from all over walked across and settled. Later we had Jewish people, Caribbeans, Irish, Romanies, Polish from the Second War Indians and Pakistanis from our Empire days. So before you complain - remember: you might come from an old immigrant family yourself. - Resnam, Sandbanks, 02/02/2013 11:29 They were assimilated into the British culture and customs. In the main they fitted in and didn't go out of their way to express their 'cultural identity'. What seems to be happening now due to mass immigration, is that the British way of life is being eroded. Whether this is what is actually happening is not the issue, it is what a great number of Brits (including immigrants) believe is happening and are concerned about.
Not only Boston - most inner cities. & why pick on the Poles, London there are many other immigrants of other nationalities - could not tell you which as very few speak English. You take your life into your hands when you go out - not because they are unpleasant, but because they can't (or don't) read road signs, etc.. I personally do not like being an unrecognised ethnic minority in my own country, with no rights to get work etc, while immigrants are given jobs, and criminals are lauded.
I am British by birth & some places in ENGLAND I travel to, I cannot understand a word being said as everyone is talking arabic or polish! Wow great security for the nation!
When will the DM head off to Southern Spain and see how the Spanish are dealing with the Brits down there?
Agriculture has always be a thriving British industry long before the EU a great many British people worked on farms and although the pay was not very good they usually got a house to go with the job extra British people were always available to work when harvest time arrived, I can never remember there being a shortage of vegetables during the days of the Iron Curtain and the Warsaw Pact.
Yet all the xenophobic comments towards British people always make it on here from both who live here in the uk. & those who dont. Why live here if you don't respect the people?
Cant they see how this is going to end? We'll run out of money and everyone will move on leaving England in a big mess.
I find it hard to read comments proclaiming UKIP as the way, how can anybody with a heart, who has really looked into their manifesto, is fully aware of their aims, still support them? Not the stuff you read when you glance at their site, which basically just repeats people's fears and says 'We'll fix that', 'We'll stop that', all UKIP do is sell the fear then promise to stop it, no outlines or ideas of how, no practicality, reality, feasibility. If UKIP got in it would be like living in an even more dysfunctional nazi Germany, their way has been proven not to work. Don't get me wrong I have nothing good to say about any of the main political parties, they all seem to be puppets controlled by the same pupeteers.
So you are ok with chinese and indian take away shops but POLISH shop is a big No No. What about irish/english pubs and restaurants abroad? Double standarts because youstill think you are from better part of the World! - Anja , Here and there, 02/2/2013 11:15 Yep, I have problems with immigration generally, but at least we have some historical links with commonwealth countries (which helped the UK in wealth and capital accumulation), whereas you people on the continent have bought nothing but misery (namely wars and the damn pseudo-communist EU). So, please leave. If you love Poland so much, why have you people invaded the UK.
Reading some of the comments here it appears that many of these immigrants, from wherever they come, have nothing but contempt for the UK and its indiginous population. Our work ethic, our religion, our vocablulary, our education system etc etc. It begs the question why they come here in the first place? First they betray their own countries by leaving for pastures new and then they bite the hand that feeds them. But of course its the money isn't it? Wonder how long it will take before they realise they are being woefully underpaid and start resenting the squalor they live in? I guess then the trouble will really begin as they take to the streets to protest their poor lot in life. Wonder how our self righteous politicians will react then?
To Tony Blair: If you're so happy to let mass immigrant Poles into MY country and you state "Poland is a country [you] admire greatly" then please sell your 7 properties in the UK and go live there. Thank you, From EVERYONE in the UK.
Maybe the increase in immigration and flooding is connected, the UK is sinking in more ways than one.
Sadly, Viorica, London, is quite correct, we as a nation have been sliding downhill for a number of years. But I do wonder about the intelligence of the migrants choosing Britain as a place to live! ... I certainly wouldn't.
Simple. Vote UKIP.
Non story . There are plenty of places in Spain and France that are overrun with Brits !
I hope that when the next General Election comes around we will all remember which party was in power in 2004 and is entirely responsible for this mess and much else besides. You can't trust Labour on anything, especially Immigration, and a vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour and more of the same.
This betrayal of those brave souls who fought and died in WW2 is appalling...
I DIDN`T GIVE CAMERON PERMISSION TO GIVE MY MONEY AWAY. STILL I SUPPOSE HE CAN BORROW BILLIONS OF £`S SO HE CAN GIVE TO THE IMMIGRANTS FOR HOUSING, BENIFITS AND HEALTH. I DON`T UNDERSTAND CAMERONS AGENDA, HE`S SO FREE AND EASY WITH OUR MONEY. WE SHOULD TAKE TO THE STREETS AS THEY DO IN FRANCE, SPAIN AND GREECE etc . VOTE UKIP AND GET RID OF THIS PARASITE CAMERON
If I opened a shop in Boston (my nearest town) called 'the English shop' would the council say the name was racist?. Never go into town now its like a foreign country.
If you want cheap vegetables in the supermarket work at picking them or stop moaning about people who are prepared to work.
Amazing.....reference the immigration spat in Boston, we now have the Home Office despatching a 'special population research team' to Boston, because academics,the council, and residents of Boston cannot agree on the figures of 5-6000 to 10,000 influx of immigration of 'outsiders' into Boston......is there not anyone in or near Boston who can count accurately?? without the need of a Home Office despatch team...so much for expensive census figures where people who wish are the only people who complete the forms!!! Is it any wonder that immigration is such an issue. I would have thought that a look through council benefit claims etc.(then cross checking census forms) along with figures in the area from HMRC, Job Centre claimants, NHS Doctor and hospital visits etc. would give a reasonable factual estimate of 'foreign names' etc. without 'ex gang master councillors or expensive 'community cohesion officers' input. Stop the chat and get on with it Cameron & Co.
IM VOTING FOR UKIP END OF EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD TOO?
Just a small question: since the work that most of the immigrants do is seaonal, what are they doing for the rest of the year? Those shops wouldn't be able to keep going if they all went home in the close season. Surely they aren't living on benefits for the rest of the year are they?
Oh, stop all that crazy talk.... I do not think that our problems would be the Bulgarians and Romanians who would work hard for their wages and will learn English, will adapt in the UK if living here long term. Do not listen to this b.....t that they can claim benefits from day 1, THEY CANNOT! You need work history in this country before you claim benefits, you need National insurance contributions paid before claiming JSA and all that. Stop this Nonsense for God sake!
This isn't racism as it is white westerners against white easterners! It's politics that have caused this and the government needs to take control and repatriate now! Small towns are being overrun, no wonder that folks are unhappy and are at breaking point! It makes no economic sense at all to allow further economic migrants into the country when the population can stand no more. Freedom of movement between European states was never meant to fuel economic migration. The labour government was to blame and now the present shambles don't have the gumption to sort out the political mess. Coming soon to all towns and cities across the UK, a second wave of economic migration will kill this nation off completely!
So we were good enough to scrub your British toilets at the beggining, but now when we established successful businesses we are not good enough any more? My British neighbours have 4 children and both dont work, I pay 40% tax and you call me a pest? Ohhhhh I am sorry for being smart, hard working and having strong desire to success - NOT
LOL. Once again, people are getting mad at the wrong people. You're striking at branches rather than roots. The same thing is happening in the U.S. and has been happening: namely, a tsunami of humanity overflowing the borders from the south. Look to whom controls your politicians, who are just doing their bidding. Does the top of the pyramid running the City of London ring a bell, among other elites? Your own quaint culture is being destroyed by persons who, rather than blending in, keep their own culture. When the companies in third world countries to whom all your manufacturing went to, finally come back, after those countries get tired of slave wages, your own people will work for the same slave wages in order to actually HAVE a job. They want a rabble class, good for nothing but repetitive assembly work, or the military. They also get chaired academics to give them the green light by writing kind things, even going so far as to hire people to say those kind things in comments here.
Rachel Bull ( the critic of Easter Europeans) forgot to mention that her grandparents were from Poland. ( Read in another Daily Mail article).
And yet you eat in immigrant restaurants and keep them in business! I agree that there is not enough room for more people in the UK. This is not a race issue. The UK needs to crack down on people who do not work and go straight on benefits and claim NHS. My wife and I work very hard to then support these people. I am all for genuine immigration. It is a hard one though because these countries that people are coming from are horrendous and life threating. That said you should respect the country that you are in. Being drunk, voilence, litter dropping and complete disrespect for the country that has given you opportunities is disgraceful! That said Britians don't even respect the country they are in. The problem is Britians whinge about jobs being takan and yet Britians do not want to do jobs that are beneath them! We should not lump all immigrants as the same. There are hard working, honest people who want a better life.
unless you live here you have no idea how this is affecting us. Our schools are going down the pan , our healthcare is suffering. West st and high st are no go areas esp at night. I live in Boston, i have children at school in Boston and it is awful. My sons reception class of 30 has 4 children who have English as a first language, now you tell me this isn't going to have an enormous effect on his education!! The government is creating racial tension by allowing the vast numbers of them here. We have enough homegrown idiots in Boston without adding all of the E.U idiots to our town! x
. There should be a rule where if you don't find a job within a few months you'll be deported. - Crisben, Auckland, New Zealand, 2/2/2013 9:23=============================================== And how did the white kiwis get to be in NZ in the first place? and pushing the native maoris to the bottom of the pile?
Just how has the benefits office confirmed that the 40,000+ chldren they are paying benefits for, exist and actually belong to the people claiming the money.I hope this is sorted before the Government removes my Winter Fuel Allowance. After all as an Expat, I pay UK taxes on my Military Pension, and will also pay on my Government Pension in 2 years time. After paying into the system for 45 years and paying UK Tax until the day I die, why begrude me £100 per year.Women in this story, after 3 months is claiming £34,000 per year.
People need to understand that mass immigration is all part of the European Unions plan to destroy a counrties identity, they are doing a very good job and ALL our politicians are in on the act, particularly Tony Blair..!! You have been warned.
I can't believe these people can claim benefits after 3 months, after having contributed absolutely nothing! I see storm clouds gathering!
Before long they will have the vote here, takes a couple of years to get clearance to emigrate to Aus, US or Canada, better start the process I suppose. - Ian, North Lanarkshire, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 2:18............Unfortunately, they do not want us either. They either prefer non white, non Christians or you have to quarter of a million quid that you can keep in the bank and live off. And after you get to 50, you could be deported if you are of no further use to the country or commit a crime. Don't even bother trying to get in at that age............according to degree educated over 50's I have spoken to who have applied (and failed) to get into NZ.........and an additional hurdle is that once you hit retirement age you can only spent 50% of your time in your adopted country apparently.
I agree that immigration in Britain is out of control - I think there is simply no room to absorb anymore people. I am Latvian and I lived in England for 8 years. I loved Britain but my English husband and I got fed up with millions of people everywhere, so we moved to Australia. I miss England dearly and it is still the most beautiful country in my eyes, but I do not miss the stereotypes. Not all Eastern Europeans pick vegetables, work in the shop or are unemployed. I taught modern foreign languages in a secondary school, now I teach little Australians instead.
If the immigrants are such hard workers as a lot of people claim then why don't they stay in their own countries to help build their economies.In a few years they could be among the better off nations in Europe.One thing is certain if we keep having to pay out benefits to thousands of newcomers Britain will be among the poorest nations in Europe ,if it is n't already. - KP, Warrington UK, 2/2/2013 10:26 ************************************* Well said! I have often wondered the same myself but realising what Brown did with the 'Benefits System' it becomes easier to understand, regardless of whether we agreed with it or not we simply wasn't given a choice.
Just wait until every street corners are full of Romanian prostitutes( as in Spain) - as there is no work for them in the UK ....except claiming benefits. Just what the politicians want .. to developthe UK into the cesspit of Europe for the masses ..while the politicians increase their assets and enjoy the high life by stealing our hard earned taxes. ... You have been warned !!!! You know who to vote for at the next election if you really want to get out of this mess ????
I have no hatred towards anyone coming here to make their families life better, who can blame them:) it is the EU and Government that needs sorted out.
You can moan or you can vote BNP.
.Boston can't take no more!!!! - Laura, Lincolnshire, 2/2/2013 9:32 ==========But I am sure that the forEigners can spell better than you do!!!LOL
Perhaps the DM can do a survey asking why Eastern Europeans chose to come here instead of other EU countries? Until everything is equal across Europe,same benefits,same healthcare,same social housing,same child benefits then it will not work. The golden money pot will soon be empty.
All the Eastern Europeans I have met working here are lovely and this view is nothing personal to them. But our government need to take charge of this situation and not be giving benefits and jobs to immigrants until the British people are sorted! Australia have the right way of thinking. I say pay in before you can claim anything or nhs care. I also think british people should pay in or have clear proof of seeking a job before claiming benefits. If I go on holiday I need my eu card and insurance to claims healthcare, so why not the same here?
Bognor,Portsmouth and selsey are the same
We need to demand a referendum NOW before the 28 Milion RomaniansBulgarians swamp us. The NHS is in tatters because it cannot cope with the sheer volume of immigrants. This is not racist, it is a matter of this being a small country without the resources to deal with such numbers.
The Poles had it bad from BOTH sides in WWII, they got persecuted by the Nazis during the war and persecuted by the Commies afterwards - all with the tacit "blind eye" from the West - they almost got as badly-treated as the Jews, but do we ever hear them moan - no, do we ever hear of them acting with extremism against other races, no....I do not like the idea of Eastern European gangsters sneaking in under the guise of "economic migrants" but I do think we should respect the Poles as the majority seem to me to be very decent people we can well do with in the community!
hard-working immigrants are complaining ...... Arnt they calling the Kettle Black ?
Come on Cameroon, let all and sundry come in but STOP child benefit, working tax credit, Council Tax, rental money, free houses or flats and all paid hotel accommodation to all immigrants. Because those earning peanuts or on low wages and those on low income receive the above benefits thanks to taxpayers purse - indeed sickening. Quite easy to stop such a mess, just stop BENEFITS and they won't come over. Also Cameroon and Co. must stop picking on British nationals, such as pensioners and so forth.
Pretty much everyone on this island is an immigrant. Teutonic tribes have invaded and Vikings, Danes, Romans and Normans. Before that, when the North Sea was land people from all over walked across and settled. Later we had Jewish people, Caribbeans, Irish, Romanies, Polish from the Second War Indians and Pakistanis from our Empire days. So before you complain - remember: you might come from an old immigrant family yourself.
1st they demonise our workforce by saying they wont work then bring east europeans in to do ,it but did nobody realise that the farming work is very limited 3/4 months a year, the farmers get cheap labour the next 8/9 months the taxpayer picks up the bill absolute madness now the poles are fearing romanians/bulgarians coming taking their jobs when will politicians realise the ONLY reason is our benefit system ,other countries have regulations why dont we
How on earth could no one have been recording the nationality of the people claiming benefits?! Do you just give them your name and they hand you the cash?!
"and we made them go back to a communist Poland controls by Russia" - Phelim-----We did nothing of the kind. I grew up with the sons and daughters of Poles, Ukrainians and other East Europeans who fled the Nazis and Communists, many of whose parents fought in or with British and Allied forces. They were honoured and there was never any question of returning them to their Soviet occupied home countries. Why do people like you have to invent and distort to make a point?
It's VERY simple. Benefits ONLY to the British in Britain. Why on earth we keep letting more people in when there are no jobs is baffling. Where is the common sense?
The problem is that Cameron is as Liberal as Clegg and does not have a backbone to stand up to anybody. We also have a left wing opposition. It will take somebody with guts to strongly oppose this liberal government and form a creditable Conservative party. We do need a third party which will be UKIP once the Liberal party has been eliminated.
The working class British, those in poverty and the vulnerable and disabled all suffer greatly from this continued influx! Where are their rights? The anger will increase, I see bad things coming.
Lets be honest, some of the Eastern Europeans are doing the jobs the lazy English won't do, because they are better off on benefits. I KNOW this as I recruit for the furniture factory I work in. But some Eastern Europeans are happy to buy in to the benefits, bring girlfriend, have baby, pay tax for three years, claim benefits, then watch the work rate and willingness to help drop off. I have seen this happen on many occasions but without the Eastern Europeans there would be no factory left by now. I see the symptoms I just wish I knew the happy medium we need.
Boses just love immigrant workers, they can get away with paying less than minimum wages and can manipulate them more. Then there are those who come here not to work, but to live off our all too generous state handouts, having paid nothing in.
Europeans who come here are almost exclusively in their 20's or early 30's, healthy, well-educated (from Eastern European money!) often can speak better English than the Brits, can spell (!) and have great work ethics. Why do you think companies prefet to hire them? They do get the same wages as British workers but work harder. When I can buy my first home I will definitely have Polish builders instead of British! - Viorica, London, 2/2/2013 12:15.... Why are you here? Suggest you go and live in Poland as you seem less than happy in GB
There is no going back, the UK is finished it's just a case how long. Do you here this Cameron.
Mindyourown , London, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 10:39 Just like all the English pubs and fish and chip shops in the Spanish coastal town that the English have "ruined". And why not, what do you think, Greeke, Chiness, Indian, French, Polish, Italian, etc. shops and restraunt sell in the UK. Some sell Uk food as well as their own food. It is called choice. This is the price you pay for being in the E.U. and the world travel.
This country is a joke
"Professor" Mary Beard, yeah, saw her appearance on Question Time, imagine how many like-minded individuals are present in our education institutions. If we're going to talk about the "lazy" British under classes that we so NEEDED to replace with foreigners, the liberal, immigrant supporting YOOF can take some burden to, what with wasting three years of their lives getting a degree that doesn't help them, has no practical value in the workplace, doesn't help the country and with a massive debt wrapped around their necks. These same type of kids turn their noses down at skills and trades.
As a small business owner who has always paid above minimum wage. I used to spend hundreds of pounds advertising for staff. A lot would phone and never turn up for interviews, many would come for the interviews, but wanted all or part of their wage paid off the books so they could still claim benefits, or didn't want to work the hours We offered, and if they started work, they would only last a few weeks and we would never see them again. Then along came the polish people who were a godsend, they have the work ethic the Brits used to have back in the 1940s & 1950s before the benefits culture destroyed it. The polish workers always turn up. Very rarely let you down, super reliable. And are happy to work and have a job, now the economy has taken a down turn, the British people who didn't want the jobs before, are probably the ones who now want to work.
EU workers cannot drive down labour costs, if it is a legally advertised job then you cannot pay under the minimum wage. Not many British are willing to work in factories in boring menial jobs for a pittance. The expats who live in Spain or France receive free healthcare which is far superior to here, thus costing much more to those countries, they have private medical cabinets that deal with patients instantly, not like here a GP surgery with weeks of wait for a simple blood test. Globalised capitalism thrives on the free movement of labour and low labour costs for maximum profit, British do not educate themselves so they can only take low paid jobs locally and blame immigrants bcs they don't see their situation! Ripoff Thatcherite free market capitalism is what prevents good education and keeps people in low paid jobs so the bankers and CEOs can sip Bolli like there is no crisis! Torys court voters by whipping up anti-immigrant sentiment and you are all lapping it up!
Never thought i would say this, but i will vote ukip next time, sick of weak politicians.
As Blair said "'As you know, Poland is a country I admire greatly' perhaps he should have moved there with them instead of encouraging them to come here
I think its not comparible....Polish people are europeans, same religion, same cultural values, high educational standards, sencond generation is completly blended and impossible to differenciate from "locals"...Rachel Bull is a good example due to her polish background
what are you all moaning about ? these people are saving the English high street. Most of these people are decent and hard working, unlike some of the trash you see wandering around the streets too lazy to get a job and guess what they are ENGLISH. good luck to them that's what I say !
I'd never really considered it before, but I am really coming round to the arguments of UKIP. Britain simply has to leave Europe, it makes economic sense. And two points in this article really hit home for me, why didn't the UK impose labour restrictions like France and Germany? And absolutely people should not be able to arrive here and start claiming benefits immediately!! Sheer madness! That being said we have already have more than our fair share of work-shy benefit scroungers who have no desire to work and are actually better off on benefits, irrelevant of migrant workers.
Even the Poles dont want these other Countries coming into Britain.
I worked in the packing idustry in Boston for several years until 1998. There was no shortage of labour in the area although it would have been wrong to describe Boston as an intellectual centre. It was a grubby dump full of scruffy locals. However, the problem of immigration is now one that affects the entire area from Boston, Spalding, Wisbech, Peterborough and all the surrounding villages now reaching Cambridge itself. A recent Chief Constable of Cambs. warned that the huge cost of translators was creating havoc with the police budgets due to the number of crimes and drink driving offences that that the immigrants were involved in. Cattle and sheep are disappearing from fields, while swans and prize carp from the local fisheries are disappearing rapidly. Controlled immigration allows time for newcomers to integrate into the community but this is a tidal wave that threatens to swallow East Anglia and beyond.- Scotty, Cambridge, 2/2/2013 9:41>>> Wild life is disappearing rapidly!!!!!!
You will be lucky to find an English green grocers there in 10 years time, enough is enough!!
One word:TonyB-liar.
It's the same in kings lynn I hate it and feel completely unsafe walking around!
IT CANT GO ON SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE THE ONLY THING LEFT FOR ME IS VOTING UKIP.
New labours plan worked very well thanks tony bluff Blair standing up for the working class people whilst opening the back door to the new labour force to come in and undercut our own criminal
I can't wait for the next by election - I am sure the people will show UKIP then to be a real force to be reckoned with. They are the only party who serioucsly address this issue and the only party who are down to earth and talk common sense..
Jolly good to see, keep winding up the daily mail types guys
Your comments:"Polish is now the second language of the UK" . Well surely the country should rejoice. The Poles are (mainly Catholic) Europeans, family-oriented, produce large numbers of (Catholic) kids and over time tend to integrate into and adopt the values of the society where they settle (See the Polish migrations during WW11 to France and the UK for examples). Surely this blessing in disguise will counterbalance other more controversial migrations that divide areas such as Tower Hamlets and Rochdale. - FrenchNewsonlin , France, France, 02/2/2013 10:35====================================+++++You assume all rejection is racism. What part of O-V-E-R-C-R-O-W-D-I-N-G- and B-E-N-E-F-I-T-S--O-V-E-R-L-O-A-D do you have difficulty with. France is three times the size of England and I don't see the welcome mats out.
The people running the EU Project always knew Britain and the British would be a tough nut to crack, their answer to their problem is immigration, this is not the free movement of people this is the planned movement of people
If you vote Labour in the next election you may as well go and live in Eastern Europe. I put the blame solely on Labour. I see nothing wrong with migration but it's the numbers involved I take issue with. Labours free for all open door policy to all is destroying the whole fabric of society in the UK. Just remember if you vote Labour you are voting for more immigrants and lower wages. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Why did it have to take Rachel Bull, just an ordinary person living in Boston to wake the government up to the plight and devastation of our beautiful country, I saw the program when she stood up and told the nation just what was happening to Boston, the sole problem is at the foot of Mary Beard who speak without having the knowledge of the situation, and she was shot down by Rachel Bull and rightly so. This country is an absolute shambles thanks to Blair and people like Mary Beard, Blair received an award for letting so many Poles into the country, it was awarded by the Pole in Poland, but yet our sailors who gave there lives up to help get supplies to Russia were banned from receiving meddles from the Russians for there efforts, banned by our own government, what a bunch of hypocrite we have running the UK.
I don't thing the Government or powers to be really care about the ordinary British worker, as long as they and business can get cheap labour. It is all too late the damage has been done. I dread to think what this country will be like in 10 years time. If you are young and able get a one way ticket out and do not look back.
its the sheer volume thats the trouble, not the immigration. a few here and there can be folded into our way of life and combine into something positive and good. when hundreds of thousands come in, especially into just a few areas, what happens is mass crowding, overuse of resources, causing nothing but problems for 'natives' and immigrants alike. all the tension, all the hysteria being whipped up :( i have inlaws round boston way, and by and large they find the polish there to be decent and hard working. what will happen to them and to the british when thousands more arrive from romania etc? sorry, it wont work, but the powers that be have their fingers stuffed into their ears!
I'm sure that lots of the Eastern Europeans are hardworking and work for many hours and open their own thriving shops, but the point is our services are under enormous strain to look after all these people - doctors, hospitals, schools etc. This is why so many people are worried that as many as 70,000 Eastern Europeans will come over here FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS. We don't have the room or the facilities.
It does not take surveys or political marches to make us aware of the problem, the UK has been rather stupid in its migration policy and as a result has lost control of the situation. If the politicians were genuinely concerned with the welfare of those people they are supposed to represent then they would call an immediate halt to any further immigration until they can get the current mess under some form of control. I am not anti immigration I just happen to think that it does not make sense for any country to throw open its borders to everyone. Lets put the Great back into Great Britain and show the world that we can rise to challenges and are still prepared to make difficult decisions when necessary.
- Question , SouthEast, 02/2/2013 10:38 - A high court Judge in Poland for example gets paid around 5k a year.
Its not just this Town that's had enough ,? its the whole Country'?you see every day the contempt the politically elite have for our people,we can no longer trust the old party's Lib/Lab/Con,all self-serving and one of the worst Prime Ministers this Country has ever seen,all we have left is UKIP,I just hope they will be up to the job.???
And the rest of the country is paying for all of Blairs abusive importation of people. Schools, benefits, translation services, bigger prisons to house the foreign criminals. There isn't a positve to be had for all of this. Even the banking crisis was manufactured by Blair and Brown to encourage the banks to lend to eveyone regardles of their ability to repay their loans, this was done to massage the figures the government spent on housing. The trillions the country now owe is as a direct result of Blairs and Browns housing policy.
Can you please stop using the term "Eastern Europeans" and just simply name the countries. Not all, what you call "Eastern Europeans", are flooding to UK. I would be surprised if you could name 1 family from Slovenia living in that town. - Ann, Bath, 2/2/2013 9:28>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Be surprised The Rasmositov's
can't win can we if they commit bad crime the can just leave country and carry on with lives if we catch them we cant even deport them if they have as pet they get all the credit they want from banks run on massive bills and again they can just leave country something need to be done feel like we just cant say anything wonder if u can fine out the amount owed to banks by foreign nationals when took loans in UK
The immigration problem is compounded when they breed so taking up doctors time, hospital beds, school places, welfare handouts etc etc.
I'm from a Commonwealth country and was sponsored as a highly skilled worker. I worked and paid taxes in the UK for 10 years and on my visa it clearly stated that I had "no recourse to public funds". What a joke!
Racism always rears its ugly head in hard times. Just look at Hitler. He could get so far because he pointed the finger on a racial group to blame for the economical difficulties. It's convinient to blame foreigners when everyone who knows a bit of Economics knows that the recesion was triggered by the subprime crisis. This country has been relying on the Financial Sector heavily for a very long time and they s*****d up! = loss of jobs, credit dried up etc. Instead of blaming the hardworking (yes!) Eastern Europeans you should sort your economy out! Eastern Europeans who come here are almost exclusively in their 20's or early 30's, healthy, well-educated (from Eastern European money!) often can speak better English than the Brits, can spell (!) and have great work ethics. Why do you think companies prefet to hire them? They do get the same wages as British workers but work harder. When I can buy my first home I will definitely have Polish builders instead of British!
So you are ok with chinese and indian take away shops but POLISH shop is a big No No. What about irish/english pubs and restaurants abroad? Double standarts because youstill think you are from better part of the World!
John s Bromley, I am totally fed up of these unfair comments made towards Brit workers. I for one travel over 2 hours each way for my job & had to travel a total of 10 hours for an interview. And I know plenty of others who do the same. I totally resent these generalised, stereotyped comments with no credibility or proof only done to knock British workers. Why do you feel the need to do this on a uk site? Please provide your proof that the average Brit will not travel 10 minutes for a job?
Come on DM readers, there's still not quite enough blinkered racism, selfish hatred and little Englander mentality on evidence here. You won't get anywhere near enough immigrants being abused or threatened in the streets and in their homes unless your up your game, let's have many more ignorant comments or else this paper is just wasting it's time trying to appeal to your lowest base instincts.
I'm from a Commonwealth country and was sponsored as a highly skilled worker. I worked and paid taxes in the UK for 10 years and on my visa it clearly stated that I had "no recourse to public funds". What a joke!
I well remember the Polish and Ukrainian immigration (or should I call it resettlement) of young people to the industrial north of England after WW2. At first they mostly clustered together in bedsits and congregated at the Roman Catholic church giving concerts and plays. They worked in the mills, very quickly learned English, saved hard and bought their own homes, opened social clubs, businesses and spotlessly clean delicatessen shops. Walking through the streets you could always tell where they lived as the houses were so well maintained. Within about 10 years they had completely integrated as their children attended the local schools. My fanily had many Ukrainian and Czech friends and neighbors. I think the biggest difference between then and now was that they could not go back to their homeland beyond the Iron curtain and they had no choice but to integrate.
Of course Blair and his family won't be living anywhere near a multicultural area will they !
Only a few years ago Boston had the ignomy of being the fattest town in the UK. Now with all this fit new breading stock things can only get better.
Those pointing out that a substantial number of Britons live and work abroad - you're quite right. But that is their choice. Most of us do not and will never accept that this "right" to live and work elsewhere in the EU negates our right to object to this mass migration. At no point were we asked to approve the move, and there was no intention that we would be asked. I'm sure we all wish British ex-pats the best of luck, but as they took the decision to leave what becomes of them is on their own heads, not ours.
They're very nice people, honest, decent, hard working. I live in an area with a high percentage of Eastern European immigrants, one of them is my best friend, and some of my dealings with other Irish people have been less satisfactory to be honest.
Just like all the English pubs and fish and chip shops in the Spanish coastal town that the English have "ruined". - Mindyourown, London, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 10:39>>>>>>But not in the majority of Spanish towns & cities, Spain is a large country And it is not to the extend where as with Boston and others towns, so people have commented here, where the identity of the town has completely been transformed. I some how do not think the Spanish would welcome that much intrusion!
Laura, Lincs, you may be correct about the state of Boston for all I know. But I can be sure of one thing - you can't even spell or punctuate your own language correctly! You have spelt 'foreign' or 'foreigner' incorrectly five times, also 'disgusting'. Oh, and it's 'can't take any more', not 'can't take no more'. Many foreigners speak better English than that. Part of being British is taking pride in our language and using it correctly.
UK has taken over Afghanistan and Iraq by force with bombs and guns and stealing their resources. At least these people are honest hard working people. The biggest thieves and scroungers are the UK government
What I don't understand is the handing out of benefits ...I believe that a person has a right to live wherever they want to but don't expect benefits if you have not financially contributed adequately to that country. I live in Greece , a country that is certainly not a welfare state.I have lived here many years and paid into the system through work contributions and taxes( I,like so many here, are not rich enough NOT to pay taxes ) I have been out of work for nearly two years and am fighting to survive without any help from the country I live in ,that is just the way it is. So when I read about immigrants in the U.K. being given so much help without ever having worked there it galls me....England has got to stand up and listen to what its citizens are saying before it is too late...
That towns had enough of the Polish..........plenty more towns feel the same. Go to Southport shopping, Warrington or Widnes Tesco's and there's hardly and English speaking person at all
Your comments:The east europeans are hard workers. It would be nice to see east european restaurants opening up. If the roles were reversed and workers were required in eastern europe and people from places like the UK were to get work in places where they went to what would happen then
Having uncontrolled immigration is like having sex without protection.
Charge for visiting the doctor then if you have the correct paperwork proving you are paying taxes etc., you will be re-funded into your bank account. No paperwork = no refund. Simple.
The immigrants that came before are now in fear they're going to lose their jobs? I suppose they know what it feels like for those who lost their jobs to them then... I'll stand up for what I believe, I'll say what I believe I won't stand down. If I get called racist, or a bigot then so be it. I can say with 100% honesty I don't care. Over the last 10 or so years the word racist, as well as bigot has been thrown around so much it's lost all meaning.
How do we know that the children even exist that they are sending child benefit to ? It seems to be easy to fool the authorities in this country that you have numerous nonexistant children so I would imagine that it must be a doddle to say you have 4 ficticious children in another country.
I've been out leafleting in my area and immigration is a big issue for my party and we are hated by some for saying it must stop and we've said it for years.
Hey, Andy HB: welcome to the real world...
Try going to Bolton!!
I think it is wonderful that all these East Europeans can come over her and annoy the xenophobic little Englanders.
I know! Lets have an immigration referendum ?!
LibLabCon will do nothing about immigration and the DM still supports the Con Party . VOTE UKIP . The end of England really is nigh !
In desperation I ask that the people to see sense and vote UKIP.
it,s the cabbages fault,blair and brown
I hate my country its been ruined by Blare hand,living in Boston is pure hell now.
We can longer be proud of being British, and I for one will not admit to being european.
Foreigners should have to give up a job or house if a British family is in need. With so many British people claiming benefits why on earth are we bringing in more workers and benefits claimants?
Perhaps we need the foreign workers already here but close the doors to the Romanians and Bulgarians. Otherwise all those here will lose there jobs and fill the dole cues.
Well done Polish working in the uk your taxes you will be cut in 2030 .
I'll try again. DM the Romanian shop in your picture does not exist. It is actually a refrigeration engineers. The words "Romanian shop" have been Photoshopped in. A nice bit of scaremongering but you could at least be honest about it.
I live in UK 8 years now and I got somwhere in life because I was hard working. I pay taxes, national insurance etc. just like all the Brits. I really think people should stop judging based on nationality because you get lazy people in every country but at the end of the day we are still human beings, some are just not as hard working as others and we just have to deal with it!
So now even our immigrants are complaining about the immigrants!
If you look at Mary Beard and listen to her then you can understand how arrogant these so called intellectuals have become..she is so out of touch with reality that i wonder if she visits this planet on her way to never never land...The people of Boston have shouted we have had enough,,,even from the roof tops but they and others are just put down by the Beard attitude....well Beard lets see you explain the 250,000 Romanians coming over next year. God forbid Blair gets any power again.....the doors will just be flung open....You know they say you can keep pushing the patience of the indigious population for only so long..i wonder if it is now coming to an end.
A now even our immigrants are complaining about the immigrants!
I am sick of idiots, banging on about how these migrant workers, work hard for a minimum wage! The fact is, that they can move back home,whenever it suits them. How much is a house in Poland, compared to here? It is not a level playing field. We cannot flock to Poland and earn money to live well in Britain
How hypocritical. Now they know how we feel!
What about naming our shops BRITISH...........we wld of course be called racist ! Time to close our borders, and expel immigrants. Even those that pay their taxes send the money to their OWN countries and don't spend it in the British Economy................ time to stop apologising for the British Empire, and to become Empire builderrs here at OUR home.
They have a perfect legal right to be in the UK...- SwanseaJack, Swansea, 2/2/2013 2:45 As some of the Welsh do not like the English, maybe you would like the Polish and Latvian's in Wales ? yes !! When I refer to the Polish, I do not mean furniture polish.
The royal farmlands are around Lincolnshire, poles are cheap labour. Why do you think the queen is pro eu? Cheap labour for her at the expense of the brits.
All Thanks to New labour
I live near Boston and visit the town regularly for shopping. I have never observed any problem with migrant workers. The market on Wednesday functions just as well as it always did, I can park at Asda for free, go to the library, pop into the many shops in the town centre all without any hassle whatsoever. Basically, the perceived xenophobia is just present in the minds of a few UKIP supporters, who probably resent anybody trying to make a better life for themselves. I salute the migrants for coming all this way across a thousand miles of Northern Europe to pick our cabbages for us. And the Polish shops are great, too, since I can try different, tasty foods that would not otherwise be easily available. We British really should make an effort to be less insular!
Aye, come on in, there is plenty of room for all. One of the smallest islands in the world appears to be run by the smallest brains
slightest criticism,your a racist !
I watched This Week on Thursday night. Correct me if I am wrong as I was talking on the phone but I am sure Andrew Neil mentioned that we are trying to put off thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians from coming to the UK by mentioning the cons, the weather and no employment. He went on to say that if this fails there is nothing more we can do. Why is there nothing we can do. We are suffering cuts, cuts and more cuts but appear to be able to afford to pay for people coming to the UK with nothing. I really despair.
This article is badly incorrect, they can claim to be self employed and CLAIM FROM DAY ONE!!! Stop spreading these untruths DM
I lived in Boston before "the influx" and found it to be a terrible place filled to the brim with willfully ignorant lazy people who blamed everyone else for their problems. Replacing Bostions with, well, Anyone else, can only be a good thing.
I like how everyone's catching on about too many immigrants about 10 years too bloody late.
Remove benefits from these 'lazy and stuck up Brits' and they'll soon go out into the fields to earn a crust - dismantle the welfare state per se.
I just find it peculiar when people say that Bulgarians and Romanians are coming next year.... Who said that? I am a Bulgarian myself and trust me when I say this, if anything people are starting to go back to Bulgaria. Last time I was home, I did not see or heard of Bulgarian citizens waiting on the borders to come here. This is propaganda and obvious agenda pushing by DM to install hatred between British people and immigrants! - Didi, EDINBURGH, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 10:16 May I just remind you Didi, you currently reside in Edinburgh. When your location reads Bulgaria, I might just read your comment as fact.
They would be accepted more if they spoke English instead of Polish and adopted our heritage. But oh know they have to bring Poland with them.
Who ever is right or wrong with all the comments I am not going back to find out. zzz!
We have a huge Polish population here in Bournemouth and in one part of the town it seems as though every other shop is a Polish one. I have no problems with this because they do not cause trouble and tend to work very hard in their businesses etc. I have more of a problem with our home grown lazy workshy scroungers to be honest.
disgrace!
Going to vote UKIP next time. Use to live here and its awful now.
I can see the advantage for employers to having such a steady stream of immigrants, they will work longer hours, they will work casually and accept below the minimum wage however the impact on the rest of us is simply not worth it. I believe these people have driven down wages and would like someone to disprove that to me.
Are you reading this Ms.Beard?
Although I agree that boarder controls should be tougher, I also believe in the saying that 'ones past comes back to bite'. History confirms that the English travelled around the world without visas, taking peoples land and treasures, they also killed and captured slaves. WHY ARE YOU MOANING NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO UK LEGITIMATELY. Your forefathers did very bad things. To THOSE MOANING PLEASE REFLECT ON WHAT YOUR FOREFATHERS DID IN AFRICA, AUSTRALIA AND OTHER ISLANDS. ITS PAYBACK TIME.
In my city every bus and cab driver, big issue seller and market trader is an immigrant! I'm sick of having to constantly repeat myself because they can't understand my English! This Country is heading into major civil disobedience!
They scared of romanians and bulgarians because british are lazy and full of attitude , when there are told to do something that's it , I'm going home because anyway i get my benefit, that's why nobody want's british
Just like all the English pubs and fish and chip shops in the Spanish coastal town that the English have "ruined".
Ironic really that on the same page as this there is an article scaremongering about Hitler's legacy...and lets see; what did he do to bring us into the war? Invade Poland was it? And here you are inviting dislike of the same nation. maybe history does repeat itself.
What I dont understand, is why come to the UK? For example Poland hasnt gone into recession since 2007 unlike other countries have, its cheaper to live and work there so many businesses can undercut UK businesses which can make it easier to earn more so what else draws someone to the UK? Are the laws different, could that be it they are still part of the EU, is it over crowded or is there some other draw? I'll have to have a chat with one of the polish guys renting a room down the corridor from my rented room to see if I can find out any more because their costs are so much less than the UK. One point being I've told my customers I'm having to move my small business somewhere abroad to where its cheaper to live and work from such is the expense of living in the UK now so I just cant figure out this immigration thing. Maybe taxes are not paid by some of the immigrants who knows but it remains a mystery to me.
"Polish is now the second language of the UK" . Well surely the country should rejoice. The Poles are (mainly Catholic) Europeans, family-oriented, produce large numbers of (Catholic) kids and over time tend to integrate into and adopt the values of the society where they settle (See the Polish migrations during WW11 to France and the UK for examples). Surely this blessing in disguise will counterbalance other more controversial migrations that divide areas such as Tower Hamlets and Rochdale.
In the context of Immigration it is slightly misleading to say Polish is the second language of England as I feel we should add all the languages from the Indian sub continent together and they would easily be the second language.
If the youth of today had a work ethic like was around pre 80's then thet would be very little of this as well unemployment
So why do these 'European Laws' only apply to the UK? Try claiming benefits in any other EU country and see how far you get. They simply apply their own laws. All we need to do is change ours so that benefits are only payable to those who are over eighteen, British by birth or who have worked and paid into the system for a minimum of three years.
There's something that barely ever gets a mention - the impact of foreign drivers on our roads. Drink driving, driving without a licence, diabolically poor quality driving - mainly driving without acknowledging anything else on the road, perhaps because they learnt to drive in countries with extremely poor standards or where life is cheap. It's dangerous. - leona12 , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 10:02 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have just summed up the DM reader mentality on driving perfectly. They are forever moaning that they are not allowed to drive when drunk and not allowed to speed.
Met a great Polish lad on the train last year: eloquent, polite, hard-working, loved the UK, curious to fund out more etc etc Good luck to him and his like. My great grandparents were Polish and Lithuanian immigrants and I'm not comfortable with the borderline racism apparent in these DM articles concocted to stir up such feelings in their readership.
How many of the foreign cars are paying road tax and insurance have an MOT I thought if they where in this country for more than six months they have to declare the vehicle and get UK number plates and MOT. How many of these cars are not? The B'liar years are truly the years that sunk this once great nation of ours now it appears we are the refuge of the failed USSR block. If these countries want a large number of similar countries to band together then stay in Europe because we the people (forgive me for not asking the people first) want out of it. When our political masters decide to do something about letting all these people in it will be after 01 Jan 2014 and too late. I ask the people to make the government sit up and see we are serious by voting UKIP in the forthcoming County council elections.
We have a young polish couple a few doors away and they are lovely people. She is quiet though and never speaks but her partner chats to everyone here as if was born here. He is well liked by everyone but people are wary of her because she will not interact with the locals, she doesn't even respond when we say hello. This is a lot of the problem also. Many immigrants will not try to fit in and it alienates the locals.
its all a bit late is it not the damage is well and truely done
Rachael bull is a hypocrite
If you dont vote ukip next time you deserve what will happen
For JH Ramsgate: So when you got to Bulgaria you are given benefits and houses then !!
The answer to will the tax payers be happy to fund the new influx of immigrants with full state benefits is NO! Not the Cameron cares or listens. I'm fed up supporting the ones we already do have!
Typical inmigrant mentality: let me and my family and my friends and my country in... but no one else - andrew , worcestershire, 02/2/2013 10:01 Typical ignorant mentality: all my family and friends are already here, born here, bred here, paid their taxes like their parents have/did and their parents and so on.
Chickenss coming home to roost for the 'open door' policy of the previous Labour Government and the inability of the coalition to shut the doors a little tighter. However, as always, it is Joe Public who suffers with the influx taking jobs and altering the face of the towns. Immegration in small numbers is fine - we have been flooded. This will not end well.
Honestly, they're allowed to be here. It's embarrassing that people have a go at people who are not breaking any laws.
One way to solve the benefits issue is to set up a system of reciprical refund arrangements with each of the EU member states. All have embassies so they need to employ a benefit officer to register the foreign claimants by EU country. In April of each year the Uk bills the relevant EU embassy for the value of the benefits claimed by their nationals in Britain in the previous financial year. The foreign embassy bills Britain for the value of its benefits paid to Uk citizens living in that country. The difference between the two is likely to reduce the Uk payout to foreign nationals as there are more of theirs in Britain than ours elsewhere. This system would have the effect of encouraging other EU countries to dissuade their claimants from coming here if the refund cost to that country was likely to be high. Cameron could use this as a starting point for change with the ultimate threat of leaving the EU if the other countries did'nt want to address the problem.
The dream of every Pole used to be get to the USA but now they have freedom and our benefits the dream is the UK.
the Eu mainly by default is creating a homognised population where original National Identity will be submerged into an European "man" owing its existence to one supreme authority , the European state. It is happening NOW, British Towns and Villages and I assume other memeber states are being overwhelemd by a foreign influx which will in some years supercede local influences and loyalties. All this is being accepted by a supine Political class who dont care or feel helpless to resist. Perhaps this is inevitable and the EU the first step into and intergrated world of common man ruled by a one central authority.
Blame Labour!
Peter Hitchens did all this about 18 months ago
If the immigrants are such hard workers as a lot of people claim then why don't they stay in their own countries to help build their economies.In a few years they could be among the better off nations in Europe.One thing is certain if we keep having to pay out benefits to thousands of newcomers Britain will be among the poorest nations in Europe ,if it is n't already.
David Cameron can you read this please, i hope all other people reading this vote UKIP
Hw rude Boston has a bad enough label now we are known as the CABBAGE CAPITAL Charming !!!!!! Good job we grow most of Englands vegetables.
Simple, no benefits, no free housing and no free health service then they won't come. They don't get benefits in Germany or France so why here???? After working over 40 years, my pension age put back t 66 and now my earnings related pension changed to a lower rate than I should have got I am sick of all this crap. The citizens of the UK need to stop this mass immigration now - we need to decide how we are going to do it
Tim in Bucks - presume you never go to an "English pub" or "Irish bar" when you're abroad? And you'd deny that any similar shops exist to service the expat British in Spain? - Jon, London, UK, 2/2/2013 6:54 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Why on earth would anyone want to visit a British or Irish run establishment when on holiday? If they want to do this then they should save their cash on foreign trips and go to Blackpool instead.
The Liberal Democrats are warning their Tory coalition partners against acting in a discriminatory manner as ministers draw up plans to impose welfare restrictions when Romanians and Bulgarians are given full travel rights next year. Why are we always accused of discrimination when this subject arises? Can the EU and this government not seem to understand that we are unable to sustain anymore immigration.We are one of the smallest countries in the EU. A limit should have been agreed on the numbers countries could accept based on their size and economic situation. A German court has ruled that Romanian & Bulgarian migrants can now claim healthcare and social welfare there....so maybe we may not be so attractive as a destination.I know the Brits also move to Europe ....but the are not adding to the strain on the education system, health,housing and job market to the detriment of the nationals...plus these countries are much larger than the UK. It is not the immigrants fault.
Yet another article about 'immigrants'. I am glad, this time you wrote about working ones, who create businesses and pay taxes to the government. where is the problem then? Why don't you write about asian or black areas, that exist for many more years then 'eastern european' areas? As one of them myself, I can proudly say, european immigrants are educated people, their businesses are clear, they pay tax, it is tidy, pleasure to walk in, reliable service. I never go to asian areas as it is always dirty, smelly, I feel like a strange there. Anyway, those people who read such articles and believe how bad immigrants are, I just want to say - pick up your fat bum and do some work yourself! Start a business! You will always be ahead of any immigrant, because of your nationality, your perfect English, your contacts, etc. You will never have to go through all the mess that 'immigrant' has go to through...
There are two reasons why the UK is the destination of choice for eastern European immigrants 1) English is a language many of them have learnt at school, far better than we are taught foreign languages here in the UK. Poles are particularly adept at languages. 2) We have no system in place that states that you have to pay in to the welfare state for, say two years, before you can get anything out of it. How difficult would it be to change that legislation? It would also mean that our own young people could not automatically sign up for benefits upon leaving education.They would have to take a job, any job, to pay into the system before the system paid out to them. Perhaps we have huge net migration figures because, generally, the British people are somewhat xenophobic?
I get increasing annoyed with these kind of articles which fail to mention how many locals actually benefit from renting their properties or just rooms to the migrants, if the locals didn't house them then there wouldn't have been so many able to settle. granted as time has gone on Boston properties have become investments for people from all over but not initially. the same goes with the shops and the businesses who ten years ago were all to keen to up their own income, how come these locals never get the mention. also the locals seem happy enough to be seen by Eastern European Drs or specialists, so why should they be any less bought into this than those who work fields or shops. numerous locals now have relationships with migrants, the cultures are starting to collide more and more. its healthy, its how civilisation began. unless government change their entry to the UK then this should be embraced, as effectively its out of the locals and migrants control.
This country is finished. University graduates fighting squaddies and redundant public sector workers for jobs at macdonalds while the idiots in charge welcome more and more immigrants in. The best about it is morons will vote labour back in at the next election for this all to continue. No one I know has had a pay rise for years yet bills are crippling working folk while the great unwashed lie in bed watching J Kyle with their rollies n stella. It really makes me wonder whether we would have been better off losing the 2nd WW. Time to vote ukip, remove ourselves from the eu and get a 'normal' person in charge of this sinking ship. Preferably someone with life/ work experience, not another eton/uni grad.
Absolutely spot on Phil, and the thoughts of many people out here in paperland. Who cares what nationality you are, if you are clean,tidy and hard working. It's just a shame " someone " closed down the mines and steelworks etc.etc., due to petty revenge, and in one stroke ruined and ostricised a generation of " wanting to work youngsters." THE DAMAGE IS / WAS DONE ". - wilkoo , Allasred, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 08:59 ******************************** Do YOU honestly think anyone in this country let alone youngsters would work down a Coal Mine today, a dangerous job where they never see daylight and the best they can hope for is avoiding lung disease before they reach 50? They want to be footballers and pop stars and earn plenty of money for the least effort possible not work down a mine. Margaret Thatcher did them a favour and porbably saved many lives, not to mention giving them a good payoff, 'THE REAL DAMAGE' started in 1997!
I just find it peculiar when people say that Bulgarians and Romanians are coming next year.... Who said that? I am a Bulgarian myself and trust me when I say this, if anything people are starting to go back to Bulgaria. Last time I was home, I did not see or heard of Bulgarian citizens waiting on the borders to come here. This is propaganda and obvious agenda pushing by DM to install hatred between British people and immigrants!
If anybody goes to live on the Isle Of Man they cannot claim any benefits for five years. It doesn't matter if they are from Liverpool or Latvia. No Benefits. There hardly any immigrants on the Isle Of Man.
Avingalaugh the British Empire built schools, hospitals, bridges, railways brought law to areas where there was none, so if you dont like our history what you doing here. As for foreign immigration Britain did just fine long before mass immigration, it was big business and politicians who colluded to bring in cheap labour, under cut English workers who had struggled for years to get better pay and working conditions, now generations of English have been left to rot on the social, close the borders encourage foreign workers to go home, then any jobs that become vacant make the English on the social take them or lose there benefits it may take a few years but it should start to sort this mess of a nation out.
This government has had two years to sort out immigration! It obviously isn't capable.
I watched a programme on the TV a few months ago citing a town in Spain that was completely taken over by the Brits, Fish and Chip shops and English supermarkets, hardly any Spanish being spoken - I don't know if the locals were resentful, but it would seem that we are just as bad as invading foreign shores, and in most cases not intergrating with the local community.
for 7 yrs i have had my medical supplies delivered by courier service , same driver, last 3 deliverys polish chap comes not in the courier van but in a privatecar, so who ever he is working for are doing the job cheaper ,and this the whole problem CHEAPER , i must say he is very polite and speaks perfect englsh , - puggy wuggy, torquay, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 10:02 No doubt, but I would bet he is uninsured if he is using his car for business purposes
If they had made all of those on the dole in the surrounding areas to go to work in the fields or have there dole stopped they would have there workers,without having to rely on immigrants.
Blair wanted to distroy the British culture for his own agenda..And it looks like he has got his own way...At the end of next year when the rest of the Romainians have got here, our Country side will be looking like the dale farms, ETC..
I bet the politicians don't want demonstrations - anything to keep English people down.
Oh, and as some others state, this situation is no different to what the Brits have done in some countries. However, the difference with this scenario is that the locals where the Brits have invaded have embraced them because they all want money money money. In Britain the locals don't want money from the immigrants - only the council's and MPs do, despite the fact that the decent, honest, working, tax paying middle class give give give. If the government changed it's dinosaur laws it would be able to properly tax businesses and high net individuals. Instead, people worth millions and millions and even billions act like they still don't have enough money, they play the 'poor me' card, and they hold government at ransom so they don't have to pay tax. As for people supporting companies because they 'give back' to society - name 5 big businesses in the UK that do just that - lead me to the physical proof because words and policies mean jack in today's society.
Time to change the road sign for Boston. It should read "welcome to Bostonski"
Give it a break DM, these people have every right to be here, thousands of Brits live in Europe and they wouldn't like it if they got picked on because of their nationality , if we don't want Europeans here than we should get out of the EU but despite all the recent talk of referendums that will never happen.
Whether the mass-influx of Eastern Europeans has been a positive or a negative, is neither here nor there: The fundamental question should be where was the democratic mandate for this? It's happened completely without our consent. I mean, do we live in a democracy or not? Our governments are acting like fascist dictators.
John S, Bromley "The average Brit would turn down a job if it involved a ten minute bus ride to get to work." Nice bit of racial stereotyping John.
Boston born myself, and if you read up on the history of the town you will see that it was founded by Eastern Europeans back in the 17th Century - so what is the problem ?? { bring on the red arrows, I speak the truth} - Pearlie , Narnia, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 08:44 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founded by Botolph who was a Saxon monk. So, Saxony is in Eastern Europe is it?
I just find it peculiar when people say that Bulgarians and Romanians are coming next year.... Who said that? I am a Bulgarian myself and trust me when I say this, if anything people are starting to go back to Bulgaria. Last time I was home, I did not see or heard of Bulgarian citizens waiting on the borders to come here. This is propaganda and obvious agenda pushing by DM to install hatred between British people and immigrants!
If too many immigrants come and send money back to their country then it's bad for the countries economy.But they also keep businesses running and overall work in low income labour jobs which they do well. These are jobs British people are too lazy to do.
The problem isn't with the migrants - it's the fact the previous government made life easier to not work for so many. They basically encouraged failure, and it's not going to change anytime soon with this government either. How many Brits would seriously be willing to work for minimum wage for fruit picking, when the alternative is claiming benefits. Any Eastern Europeans I have met have only ever been friendly and polite, and their work ethic often will embarrass many people in the UK. How many British youngsters leave school with no qualifications but think they deserve a £30k per year job. Let's not also forget that for many people who have had enough of the UK, they are also now the immigrants, working all over the world.
Running a shop selling produce from their own country is a shrewd move. Its our policy of selling goods made in other countries which is wrong, and one reason why our factories are closing down.
I'm all for a mobile labour market , but they should not be allowed benefits after just 3 months, you know your being screwed over when even the immigrants themselves are saying we're too soft , and whoever agreed to pay child benefits to children not in this country want sacking . Wherever these kids are its upto there country to pay for them .
the point is that our schools, housing situation, and social services simply cannot take on any more. we are a tiny island and there is only so much room. People are also resentful as they feel their national identity is being taken away. This country is rapidly going bankrupt.
Just plain crazy, why does the UK continue to allow this ? We need to sort this NOW ! I am encouraging my children to leave the UK as it's finished ! Will the last Britain to leave the UK please feed the cat .
Garfield could you tell me how many of the brits who move to spain need benefits and social housing,because I think most of them put a lot of money into the Spanish economy.so your point is not really relevant to the article.
As some suggested, the public should wake up and vote the present party out of power. - Millymollymandy73 , Hants, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:30 ............................................... There are some seriously ignorant people in my country and I find it very tiresome having to explain to them time and TIME again that whilst the present party might not be perfect, it isn't them who have caused the mess we are in now. It was the party before. Why don't people seem to get this very basic fact?
Time to call it a day - We need to look after our own people regarding jobs & housing.
Its all starting to look a bit too organised for me, Germany and France put the block on and Blair opens the floodgates (funnily enough he had just converted to a catholic as are the Poles and the then Pope) it all starts to stink, Mr Cameron has a choice either say no to Europe or the people will do it for him.
- Pearlie , Narnia, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 08:44 Boston was founded by a Saxon monk in 654AD, so I guess you learn't your history from one of labour's history books! Shame some people are clueless about British history.
I look forward to Cameron's awards from the Bulgarian & Roumanian Goverments.
I cannot understand why people do not question why the UK always 'has to' obey these EU directives. Not just on Immigration, but all the other contentious issues (benefits, for example). To me there is one single point which should override ALL discussion on these topics. And it's a very simple and obvious question. <> We all know the answer. They ignore the directives they don't like. Here in France just try claiming if you are injured in absurd situations that are considered normal ('cos they have gone on for so many years) in UK. Council responsibility for uneven paving slabs? Don't be silly. Walk past a property and a branch falls off a tree onto your head. Tough luck. Just one of those things. Burkas? Banned. Why can't my beloved UK just stop and take a hard look at itself. You are not martyrs to the world.
Crazy, crazy government. What happened to Cameron's promise to reduce immigration?. I don't even think he is conservative anyway. A joke of a man with no spine just his own agenda . Enough is enough. - Angrybrit , Essex, 02/2/2013 09:09 ***************************** We have Tony Blair and Gordon Brown to thank for opening our borders and dishing out benefits to anyone who wanted to come here during their 13 year reign, which I might add millions of people in this country foolishly voted for even though they knew what was happening. Before the Election when the three leaders had their live debates on TV, Cameron said he wanted to reduce the numbers coming here, Clegg said no to that and Brown said 'I agree with Nick', the country went on to narrowly vote for a Coalition Government rather than a Conservative one, and this is the result we got what we deserved, AGAIN!
@ Boston born myself, and if you read up on the history of the town you will see that it was founded by Eastern Europeans back in the 17th Century - so what is the problem ?? { bring on the red arrows, I speak the truth} - Pearlie , Narnia, United Kingdom
This "immigration issue" transcends political divisions - Lab, Con, Lib - this is related to the mentality and mode of thought pertaining to a "class" of people, ie - the high political class, the wealthy and powerful, the extractive political elite and their cronies across the board who run the country without insight or vision or commonsense - "in it" only for what they can get out of "it" - the same mentality held by every politician in every country. This week in Spain the "Treasurer" of the Spanish government is currently explaining to the public how and why he has 22 MILLION EUROS in his Swiss bank account; he will not go to jail, you can bet on it ! But kudos to the people of Italy, they´ve had 40 governments since the war -- they never took the politicians seriously from day one.
Tony Blair - Enemy of Britain!!
I have to laugh when immigrants are now moaning about more immigrants coming here -what a MESS. UKIP please NOW
oh come on you brits, did you forget that the great british empire colonized so many nations and robbed them of their resources for so many years?? whatever goes around comes around. live with it! or wait till the day, that noone wants to be in your country anymore, start leaving, that is when you should start panicking!
Half of the kids my children's school don't speak english, I can tell you now that I (and they) are not happy that half of the teacher's time is taken up teaching basic english to them. Even my two children have been enrolled in teaching them. A family member of mine is in a work environment where the Poles are speaking their language all day so she is isolated and intimidated as they blatantly talk about her, when they do speak to her it's to tell her she's old and should retire. Guess what, she'd love to be able to but after working hard all her life the government increased the retirement age! I myself work in healthcare where we require a translator to speak to patients as they don't speak any english. Everything about the whole situation makes me so mad and I cannot even imagine what it will be like when my children are looking for work as adults. On the upside I have made many eastern european friends, I don't blame them for our own governments actions!
The referendum should not be whether we want to be in or out of Europe, but whether or not we want Europe to be in or out of the UK.
I can see the headlines now"BULGARIANS AND ROMANIONS do jobs Poles and Brits don't want to do!
What's happened here is that a country town is experiencing what has happened in inner cities the whole of my life - immigration in pursuit of work and the subsequent proliferation of new businesses to serve the immigrant community. Clearly, from the statistics published, there must always have been transient workers in the area to service the farms, which are the backbone of the local economy, since there simply aren't enough workers available locally to fill the posts available. Isn't that the heart of Boston's problem - 10,000 jobs to be filled and only 1,200 unemployed locally looking for work? A surplus of 8,500 jobs. Where are all these extra workers to come from? Unless we ship in teams of urban unemployed from this country these will always be jobs done by foreign labour. Isn't it preferable to have legal EU labour than illegal Chinese slave labour?
British people do EXACTLY the same things in other countries, which is something a lot of people seem to overlook.
i can't see how shops like these benefit anyone but the owners, their customers (mostly their compatriots) and their native countries' food industries.
for 7 yrs i have had my medical supplies delivered by courier service , same driver, last 3 deliverys polish chap comes not in the courier van but in a privatecar, so who ever he is working for are doing the job cheaper ,and this the whole problem CHEAPER , i must say he is very polite and speaks perfect englsh ,
Isn't this the town that that Oxford Don or whoever refused to accept resembled an Eastern Europe shanty town on QTime? Just goes to prove her and indeed her fellow out of touch MP's really are. What gets me is that there is a record number in work, yet millions out of work, especially our youngsters and the Govt is borrowing billions every month to just keep the UK's head above water, yet they don't feel our open borders allowing economic and health migrants to pour in is even part of the problem, on the contrary calamity Clegg wants more immigration. Just staggering. And we are the ones who are vilified as racist for stating the truth, pretty much the glaringly obvious. I just despair.
There's something that barely ever gets a mention - the impact of foreign drivers on our roads. Drink driving, driving without a licence, diabolically poor quality driving - mainly driving without acknowledging anything else on the road, perhaps because they learnt to drive in countries with extremely poor standards or where life is cheap. It's dangerous.
Can I just say DM that Recruitment Agencies will NOT take on Eastern European agency workers "at a lower cost" - we have a law here whereby we can't pay ANYONE less than the min wage and I for one am all for getting Brits out to work first!
You have to admire these people, leaving their home country and travelling hundreds of miles to find work. The average Brit would turn down a job if it involved a ten minute bus ride to get to work.
The polish people will fit in with the community, would the people of Boston feel the same if the town was taken over by the same amount of Muslim immigrants?
Typical inmigrant mentality: let me and my family and my friends and my country in... but no one else
If the immigrants were not here then the vegetables in the ground would not be picked as Brits are far too lazy and stuck up to do it. I love having immigrants here as they work hard and open shops and restaurants and introduce new food which I can try. How empty your life must be if all you can do is hate anything new.
As Boston is concerned about the immigration situation they really need to support UKIP, the ONLY Party with a full manifesto, promises an escape from the EU's open border policy & recover our sovereignity.
I bet many DM readers will be making a B-line to this town as clearly the immigrants are the right colour for them!!!
Immigration isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's always made to look worse by DM. If people come here to work, pay taxes, RESPECT our religions and way of life, that's fine. The problem is when Thayer goes out the window and we pay benefits for children not in our county. Also Tony Blair must have been a highway dandyman in a previous life. He is an abomination of a 'British' man.
"We mollycoddle school-leavers like an endangered species and give them fistfuls of certificates and then wonder why they won¿t take factory jobs.¿..........." This hits the nail on the head in this one statement. WHAT factory jobs? Industry is dead in this country, the last factory near where I live has just closed down. The real concern is not immigration, its the lack of work for everyone. It isnt the influx of new arrivals going straight onto the benefits system causing the anxieties, but British-born individuals worrying about being pushed onto it. And with good reason. Government upon Government has slowly killed all the industry here.....
Immigrants worried immigrants will take their jobs! Now ther'es an irony
"Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever..., whereever..., 02/02/2013 03:16 Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops? - englishbychoice, durham, 2/2/2013 7:24...........I could show you a couple of Bulgarian villages that meet your criterion.
I'm going for the world record number of red arrows: UKIP is a bunch of unelectable muppets.
British xenophobia strikes again.
The whole country has had enough.
Simple answer treat them like the Australians do if you want to immigrate to there, if you want to come here then you need to have a job to go to and money to live on otherwise you ain't coming in!
Lincolnshire¿s vast flatlands have always needed people to pick and pack the vegetables and flowers which are the bedrock of the local economy. Traditionally, the work was done by students and by part-time workers brought in from urban areas such as Doncaster and Nottingham. +++++++++++++ But I thought before these Eastern Europeans came over the fruit was left to rot in the fields??? Now it seems it was not and people were put out of work by these immigrants, well they can stop moaning about the Romanians and Bulgarians then, they can always go back home, we are home and we have no jobs.
Prof?? Beard was being economical with the truth, and she knew it.
Enough!
We should have the points system like Canada and Australia do, our country is too small to have all these people coming in
'The council accepts it does not know the nationalities of those to whom it gives benefits such as housing and council tax support.' An interesting admission and one that seems to immediately undermine the report quoted by Mary Beard? Overall, the solution to the benefits issue is in principle very simple: make the welfare system into one based upon contributions and with a minimum qualifying period. As long as that change applies equally to everyone, including British citizens, there will be no problem with EU law: alternatively, leave the EU and the problem can be more easily addressed.
What good will it do having a referendum in three to four years time to stay in or get out of the EU? By then the damage will have been done and you will not be able to revert the influx of current and future immigrants.
This is The Labour parties fault, Many of you that complain are just going to vote Labour back in to number 10. I am nooooo Cameron, or Clegg fan ( Clegg is part of the problem like Labour) but he has given us a small chance of a referendum to leave the EU hell hole. Unless we force the Government to hold a referendum before the next election you have to put up with more of what labour started when they signed away Britain. Soon those whom have come to settle in Britain will get to vote in a referendum, they will vote to stay in the EU, which is a no-brainer. The EU plan is to crush you with more and more migrants, mark my words people.
My grandfather and father fought two wars to keep this Country British and thousands died to do so, and these last Goverments have allowed this silent invasion to take place, we might have just let the Germans win and saves all of those lives as the end will be the same. It is outrageous.
One thing Govt needs to face up to is that New Labour encouraged immigration in order that many of our unemployed (basically those who have no intention of working) could be kept in the style to which they had become accustomed. The past Govt shamelessly encouraged immigration to keep unskilled wages low and benefits high. Gradually we will all pay the price for that cynical move on their part.
Give it 5 more years then see what happens,what a state to get the country in.
When we do cleaning/baby sitting/toilet scrubing you all were happy to have us Eastern European in here, when we established our successful bisnesses then we are not cool any more......my very British neighbour who lives next door have 4 kids and both dont work. Taxes that I pay are used to sponsorship their lazy life - and now tell me who is more a PEST to this country? Me or them?
What language do I have to learn to be able to speak to my neighbours?
I wonder how many towns in Poland have been overtaken by British people ??
Red arrow me all you like, but the polish people I've had the pleasure of working with at Southampton general hospital are all very hard working and lovely people. I've rather have them around than snivelling rude Brits that I unfortunately come across on a daily basis. I'm sick of this 'our country' crap. It's a planet. If I wanted to lie somewhere I'd quite like the ability to just move there, as would many of you.
Ziedonis Barbaks, leader of Boston¿s substantial Latvian community, points out: ¿The Romanians and Bulgarians will just repeat what happened before. ++++++++++++ What goes around comes around.
I agree with the person that said Brits do the same thing in other countries I had a holiday in the Limousin last year its all Brits there even got there own newspaper the Dordogne is also known as Dordogneshire now for the same reason . My son lives in Cannes they even have there own radio station Riviera Radio in English for the Brits we holiday every year in Altinkum in Turkey there are thousands of Brits there also with there own newspaper and many business's there are owned by Brits like Cafe's Bar's holiday management firms etc and Turkey is'nt even in the EU and we all know about the Brits in Spain & Cyprus. So we are not the only country with an influx of foreigners perhaps if it was balanced out, the number of Brits living abroad with the number of foreigners living here there would be very little difference in the population if they all returned to there respective countries.
The politicians think its great to have these EU members in this country but they do not really come into contact with them do they! They leave their uptown houses in posh parts of the country and get driven to work, eat out at very expensive restaurants not coming into contact with these people. They may be great workers but it's when they have finished work and in groups of 10+ in parks and corners drinking until they start work the next day!!!
It must be very clean there! I have never seen so many polishing shops?
Immigrants from Eastern Europe tend to integrate quickly and to be completely absorbed within one generation. The problem is one of over population.
Well, we've seen five shops owned by eastern Europeans; there is also a brief glimpse of what appears to be a Chinese restaurant. If that's all they can find in a town as big as Boston, I can't see the problem. One thing's for certain - having been to Boston many times (I have relatives there) - the influx of immigrants will probably have increased the average IQ of the inhabitants. I've never met so many dull, dull people in one place in my life.
I have no objection to a smany Polish entering and staying in the Uk. The way we left them to the mercy of the Russians after WW2 was a disgrace. Some of the best battle of Britain Squadrons were the Polish ones especially the 300 series and 501. It was the Polish Parachute Regiment that jumped to their deaths to try and rescue our Parachute battalion at Arnhem. Compare this with the \Hungarian and Bulgarians who were on the Nazi side and manned many of the concentration camps in Europe, This shoould be the worry and not the Valient Poles and there descendents
Playing devil's advocate but I seem to remember a lot of Polish pilot's in the Battle of Britan!
It is no use going on at the immigrants, they come to the UK from Lands that do not have an NHS, Social Services and Benefits, all for for just filling out a piece of Paper. They don't even have to speak the Language! This problem is caused by Our 'WE are not Fussed' Politicians, Civil Servants who do NOT have to live next Door to any of the immigrants who do NOT want to integrate!!!!! Then we have the EU and the ECHR. If the UK Politicians showed just ONE bit of a Backbone, they would tell the Main Muppet Shows, where to stick it, AND HOW FAR!!!!! NO other Country in the EU Bows down to every Wish and comment from the EU and ECHR like the UK Government. How Pathetic from this Once Great Britain!!!!!
The fact remains that immigrants are a lot less likely to claim benefits than uk citizens. Less than 1% of immigrants claim.
Vote UKIP and get us the hell out of the EU. Close our boarders now....
It's not just Boston, take my home town of Doncaster ( MP Ed Milliband ), take a walk around town any day of the week and listen to all the various langauges. Men sat around all day in cafes on their mobile phones, women with lots of kids, "English", no, most are from foreign country's. Before retiring I worked for the local council, and whilst not for the housing section,I worked along side it, you would not believe the number of times that immigrants would tun up with interpretors and be given accomodation within hours along with furniture, tv's fridges and the like, so Boston is not unique, I am sure this problem is countrywide.
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. - Phil Diamond, Maidstone, 2/2/2013 7:28*****************What a lot of tripe. What realy is happening is hard working British residents are being priced out of the job market. Do you think fruit and veg were never picked before this open borderers madness? You need a reality check... the 'not an empty shop scenario' is being fuelled by people living in squalor. This country will be dragged down to eastern european living standards because of naive people like you. And you are also saying that all British people are lazy which is not true and not on!
David Cameron is going to have a revolution on his hands if immigration carries on like this. - nannyjan61 - Staffs , Staffordshire, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:32 If you believe that you'll believe anything. Haven't you realised the British are the most gutless people in the World. "Backs to the wall and they come out fighting" means literally we've run out of options and have no choice.
STOP IT NOW , this country is too p.c , ghettos are already here , just wait until the bulgarians and romanians get a free pass in, in 11 months time .WHY ARE WE INTENT ON TAKING ON OTHER PEOPLES PROBLEMS WHEN OUR OWN HOUSE IS IN SUCH DISARRAY ? WHY ARE OUR POLITICIANS WASTING TIME ON BEDROOM TAX AND ELECTORAL BOUNDARIES WHEN THE REAL PROBLEMS ARE FESTERING LIKE AN OPEN WOUND?
I wish I could go and live in NZ or Australia but I can't because they have rules for entry unlike our pathetic country
With all due respect to Mr Barbaks who shows concern for Romanians and Bulgarians when Polish, Latvians and Lithuanians start taking all the jobs ... WHAT ABOUT THE BRITISH? and this thing about having to pay benefits because of EU rules ... when my husband and I lived in Greece, we had to apply for a residency permit, they would not let us have one until we both signed a chit saying we would never claim any benefits from them!
Like this everywhere, nobody speaks English in Rotherham, a once very Yorkshire town, I'm afraid we are losing our country!!
The only way to stop this is to get out of the EU now and Cameron knows this. This is what Mail Columnist Peter Hitchens wrote last weekend: "This influx is a direct result of our EU membership and could be halted only by our leaving. Yet our national understanding of this issue is still so poor." "Halted only by our leaving"? Please Mr. Cameron, do what the British people want, that's why we voted for you. Call a referendum now and get us out of the EU, before 1 January 2014. It would only take one afternoon to repeal the 1972 act and you can make this unenforceable.
what will happen is,that young professionals and older professionals who can afford it will emigrate and britain will become a jobless retiree pension state with no one left to tax! time to change the hand out system drastically!
This is the obvious answer - CHANGE THE BENEFITS SYSTEM, and do it NOW before we suffocate. ¿It¿s simply crazy that people can come to this country and start claiming benefits. You should have to work for at least five years before you start taking anything.¿
All British born Bostonians should video their town from all angles and send the results to all the media channels and politicians...one more thing,UKIP will take us out of Europe IF their referendum votes for it...the only political party that would leave immediately on being elected is the BNP,its in their manifesto!
There are plenty of hard-working immigrants that contribute greatly to the country. It's the ones who come in and expect to be on benefits forever that's straining the system.
I loath and despise our politicians who have let this happen
Do they have polish police?
We need to remember it was Tony Blair who started this influx and Mr Cameron you should now stop it, it's no wonder you are loosing voters to parties such as UKIP your party is running this country into the ground not saving it you have definitely lost my vote and a lot of other voters in the Tory strong hold where I live it can not carry on like this do was Australia have done stop all immigration !!!!!!!!!!
For centuries the British Empire pilaged the world taking other countries natural resources all along the way. maybe its payback time, Karma. - Avingalaugh, Edinburgh, 2/2/2013 1:09 EXACTLY! And lets not forget that these countries are still recovering and may never recover from this. Just look at these comments: "Great Britain isn't great anymore" Oh yes because Britain was great when it had an empire right?!? AH time to stop reading DM which has the only accomplishment of spreading lies, hate and fear.
When mÅ· son worked in America his wife ,who was a flight engineer at BA Heathrow could not get a job in America as she married him before he got his green card, when he sold his house in Seattle he sold it to a gay couple who later adopted a child after one of there visas ran out they were kicked out of America.
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. - Phil Diamond , Maidstone, 02/2/2013 07:28 I agree, and what a nice lady Sanda Klavcane looks. I would love to visit her shop.
Crazy, crazy government. What happened to Cameron's promise to reduce immigration?. I don't even think he is conservative anyway. A joke of a man with no spine just his own agenda . Enough is enough. - Angrybrit, Essex, 02/02/2013 09:09 Hear hear!
Couldn't we rename the Isle of Sheppey "Little England", move all the Little Englanders there and let the rest of the country get on with life?
It is our crazy benefit system that has caused the immigration explosion. Why on earth haven't any of the Governments over the last 15 years changed the system. Oh forget the Libor crowd who's great plan this was.
The author could have done some research. 'Baltic' does not include Poland. There are only three Baltic States - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. And if you were to check Poland has over 40 million people in their country, so it's no surprise that many of them came to England and can be felt in many places, as to Baltic countries, there are only 6 million people all together. What annoys me the most, that the problem is not Baltic countries, the problem is Poland, Pakistan, India, China, since those countries have the biggest population in UK. YET, no one talks about the rest, just the combo of Poland and Baltic countries. If you check the census data, the problem countries are Poland, Pakistan, China.
People want cheap food to eat, as they fail to value good Organic slow-grow products, and rather spend their earnings on material possessions. Lincolnshire being a huge agricultural area relies, and some exploit cheap labour. Immigrants could be the victim. I do think the censous of stating there are 500,000 Polish workers here in the UK I think is vastly under stated and probably nearer 2million. Immigration is fine, and has happened for centuries, we too want freedom to move around and live wherever we would like to? I am sure Spain alongside hundreds of other countries would rather not have the high number of Britains / ex-pat / retired folk (who also contribute nothing) who live in their countries. However we need to address the support system and can't expect people to come here and live for free. We are all here together on this planet and the most important thing is to accept, love and support one and other.
The sad thing about it all we all want the produce we buy to stay at a static or lower price buisness is run on greed the immergrants will work below the minimum wage the Bulgarian and Romanian will then have to wiork below the wage of other migrant workers its supply and demand its cheaper if you look across all the sectors immigratin as pushed the wages down you only have to look into housing developments, if Rachel Bull wanted a plumber and she was offered a 80% cut on her bill for the same job from a qualified migrant do you think she would turn him away? I like the rest of you i would love to see immagration stopped and the only answer is through a referendum of a yes or no vote at present you have an elected coalition Government that are trying to renegotiate a better deal and because Labour signed up to this treaty on immigration by law there is nothing they can do that entirely rests on businesses employing them.
Mr Hardman's report can be summed up in 2 ways: Officially, ie. Council, Police, Chamber of Commerce, Schools etc. everything is so marvellous in Boston no one knows what all the fuss is about!? UnOfficially, ie. Longterm residents sometimes known as Britons and every local Public Service eg. *Council, Police, Schools, Health centres* etc. prevented from making adverse public statements know Boston is a multi-cultural social catastrophe. A 'catastrophe' being replicated across the whole of the UK. Meanwhile, Politicians of all 3 mainstream Political Parties plus the Academic elite of the chattering classes, insulated as they are from every negative aspect of mass immigration, by dwelling in their leafy suburbs surrounded by only the wealthiest, brightest and best of the 'foreign' influx continue to allege 'racism'/'extremism' and play Party Politics as the resources gradually decline into a communial meltdown! Surely the first recorded case of a Government led National Suicide!
The High Street looks healthier than other UK High Street emptied by British shops - HMV / Jessops etc. etc.
Typical daily mail... Saying we are opening up our welfare state to immigrants while showing picture after picture of businesses set up by these hard working immigrants. While a lot of our home grown citizens refuse to work.
the reporter obviously did'nt get to see much of the big problem in boston, every ee shop no matter what it sells wants an alcohol licence, there are cans and bottles dumped everywhere and when they need the toilet they do it where they stand not caring whos looking
It makes no difference what people say or do the government can do nothing to address the immigration problem as long as we continue to be a member of the E.U. i am tired of telling people to do the research this mass immigration is an E.U. plan the plan is to flood the Euopean continent with immigrants the reasons can be found if you care to look for them none of this is new when we joined the E.E.C. we had signed up for all this problem was no one told us if the politicians had we would probably voted no to the E.E.C. and never joined the club. Even if we leave the E.U. today it will make no difference the damage is done the real affects of mass immigration will be in the future people say the U.K. will become a third world country this could well become a reality because the numbers are unsustainable workers pay will continue to fall and the public revices will collapse under the strain.
"For example, the local Park Academy primary school, where two-thirds of children do not have English as a first language, is among the best in the county and says it is ¿100 per cent happy¿ with the migration situation." It's among the best in the country because they have that many extra staff to help the migrants "settle in" that the main teacher actually has time to be able to teach properly! Yet schools without foreigners in them don't get any help, it's an absolute joke!
I for one will be voting UKIP, l was a life long Tory, not anymore, you promised us a referendum and you did not deliver, then you could not be bothered to put a fixed number on how many people from the EU, are allowed to come to these shores, also i don't think one minute you have done anything, on mass immigration on the all.!!!
Successive governments have failed to deal with the problem, no-one has the guts to stand up and say "Enough" UKIP next time, because we actually ARE running out of time!
daily mail should be ashamed! writing an article like this and the spelling Lincoln incorrectly? ??? these migrants are at least educating themselves and trying to improve their skills, and yet a national newspaper with modern technology can't even spell?
Fully agree that the rules need to change to stop giving benefits until the EU immigrants complete 5 years. But by saying to emigrate to Aus, US or Canada, aren't you joining the same leage of people who immigrate to other countries because of problems in their own countries. And what Aus, US and Canada think of immigrants. "Before long they will have the vote here, takes a couple of years to get clearance to emigrate to Aus, US or Canada, better start the process I suppose. - Ian, North Lanarkshire, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 0:18"
Why does the media focus on East Europeans and never mention that most immigrants come from outside Europe?
UKIP..UKIP...UKIP...UKIP... Seems to be the only way to stop this country sinking into the sea under the weight of EU laws and political correctness....
Labour and Conservatives have and are doing a crap job.God help our British born children as there is going to be nothing at all for them,Jobs,housing and health care!This small island is fit to burst with immigrants taking money from all the hard working TAX PAYERS!!!!
What we have got, we have to make the best of it, for everybody concerned. But we must punish the LIBLABCONS for what they have done this country. Voting UKIP is the only way forward. Never allow the LIBLABCONS to run this country again. - clive hooks , grimsby, 02/2/2013 07:31 ----------- If you genuinely believe that voting UKIP will change one single thing, then you are sadly deluded!!! If they attempted to reverse any of these Social Marxist implimentations, the UK would be stamped as having a National Socialist government in place (remember Germany in the 1930s and 40s?) and the weight of the world would destroy us...
As some suggested, the public should wake up and vote the present party out of power. - Millymollymandy73 , Hants, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:30>>>And the alternative, the party that pulled our pants down in the first place, their only motivation an act of self preservation, vote winning immigration.
Why is it necessary for Britain to pay benefits ti immigrants, other countries do not. I have had to produce my bank statement to immigration, in Cyprus I cannot get benefits, in fact Cypriot people only get unemployment benefits for six months. there are many people and shops donating food to the starving, and this is an EU country. Wake up Britain, stop giving taxpayers money away.
I was working in manufacturing in the midlands and remarked to the hr manager why we had so many poles doing assembly work,with previous polish careers nurses, electricians and office workers. I was sold the lie that it was the british workers were lazy and unreliable.Not something I had encontered dealing with them. The real reason was the poles were agency workers better qualified and cheaper, with less rights. This was 8 years ago. The same management out sourced much work to china. I fought both of these initiatives as they were very short sighted and and insular as if no one else would join this race to the bottom However this manufacturer still wanted uk customers to buy their product. Poor people can only afford to buy necessities or distractions . Gambling, drink or drugs being our new boom industries.
I worked in the packing idustry in Boston for several years until 1998. There was no shortage of labour in the area although it would have been wrong to describe Boston as an intellectual centre. It was a grubby dump full of scruffy locals. However, the problem of immigration is now one that affects the entire area from Boston, Spalding, Wisbech, Peterborough and all the surrounding villages now reaching Cambridge itself. A recent Chief Constable of Cambs. warned that the huge cost of translators was creating havoc with the police budgets due to the number of crimes and drink driving offences that that the immigrants were involved in. Cattle and sheep are disappearing from fields, while swans and prize carp from the local fisheries are disappearing rapidly. Controlled immigration allows time for newcomers to integrate into the community but this is a tidal wave that threatens to swallow East Anglia and beyond.
Alot of Polski shops in Seven Sisters and Tottenham and brands are changing in Tesco !!!! Does not matter who you vote for the system is broken.
This article is surely wrong. Mary Beard says there is no immigration problem min Boston (well anyway there is noe in Cambridge band all towns are like Cambridge) and as she is an academic she must be right!
THIS is tooooooooooooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need to be out of the eu asap if our weak gov wont listen to democracy then its a total overhaul of the system period...
To continue from my previous comment, I also think that there should be a limit on benefits, like in the first year, you are not allowed to claim any benefits.
Interesting that it now appears acceptable for people to complain about excessive Eastern European immigration, while the problem of mass Third World immigration is a topic that people are still careful to avoid.
Get a grip DM - there's going to have to be somewhere with the biggest amount of immigrants. And I bet all these people writing messages of hate woudln't think twice about moving abroad to create a better life for themselves if they wanted. You can't have it both ways. Of course these people coming over here are going to create their own businesses and communities - it's no different to the mix of British pubs and restaurants you get in ex-pat communities in Spain but I don't see you moaning about that because it benefits THE BRITISH.
getting voting ukip
90% of the Romanians and Bulgarians coming here next year will be here only for free housing, benefits, NHS treatment, etc. Lots of villages full of very poor, unskilled, illiterate people will be here. Believe me!
You can hardly blame employers struggling to make businesses work for employing Polish people, the have a much better work ethic. Red arrow away.
vote ukip
I'm just down the road from Boston in Spalding which is identical in its issues with immigration. It's not their fault though, and once people get over their pre-conceptions about 'foreigners' they will see they are good, hard working people who will chat to anybody.
Perhaps some of the Poles, Latvians and Lithuanians could do nurse training or care work. They generally have an excellent work ethic - its not so easy to find a young Brit who is prepared to work hard and get the job done. We are desperately short of nurses and carers and that crisis is only just beginning.
Some years ago I met a skilled hardworking man who was Polish, he could not understand how the British government gave him money for his children living in Poland, or the fact that nobody had ever checked to see if the children really existed. That's why these people are in Britian, because the system is too easy to abuse as those whose job it is to police the system do nothing.
Would all these businessmen please pay them the correct wage , so that the British worker is not disavantaged by having to compete with a wage he couldn't live on .
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story? Isn't what this article and many others like it in the Daily Mail is all about? Why don't you just admit you wish England was under the rule of a fascist dictatorship who would keep all "bloody foreigners" out? You twist the facts, you lie so blatantly! Any one coming to this country can claim benefits? No, they can't! You don't know the laws of the UK, you ignore the history of a country who has always fought racism and injustice. Wake up, look into your souls and tell yourselves you have never told a lie. I dare you!
I was listening to BBC Three counties radio a few days ago when a caller rang in and stated that she did not mind Eastern European migrants because they "looked like her" meaning that she did not like brown migrants. But isn't that the same belief as most DM readers - That you do not mind migrants - so long as they are white. So why complain now?
"How to destroy a Country in three easy lessons" A trilogy By G. Brown. T. Blair. and D Cameron.
it amuses me how so many of you are blaming this government for the immigration explosion. perhaps i could remind you all that it was BLIER and his labour government who opened the floodgates.
Would all these businessmen please pay them the correct wage , so that the British worker is not disavantaged by having to compete with a wage he couldn't live on .
For example, he is particularly worried how Britain¿s schools fail to prepare youngsters for the world of work. We mollycoddle school-leavers like an endangered species and give them fistfuls of certificates and then wonder why they won¿t take factory jobs.¿ He points out how this is different to the upbringing of children in other societies, asking: ¿Why does this country put its own people on the subs¿ bench, let others do the work and create an underclass which corrodes the rest of society?¿ Now this is very true.
are these pictures genuine? no, surely not? this is an absolute disgrace. do these politicians take heed of all the warnings, or maybe they cannot hear in their ivory towers. - boring expat dave, Ottawa, 02/02/2013 00:47 Is your comment serious? Expect Dave Ottawa - hypocrite much???
it's not just this place like that the whole country is!! and to be honest it's absolutely shocking!!
How can immigrants come to this country , get benifits then sent the money out of this country to thier own country its seem to me that the pot is getting emptied and quickly
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. - Phil Diamond, Maidstone, 02/02/2013 07:28 Why don't you just move to Poland/Latvia/Romania then, I believe it's quite quiet there at the moment.....and don't let the door hit you on the way out
Its not just Boston , it's towns and cities all over the UK . I live in Harlow and it he town is full of east Europeans .you hear their language more than English , they do not integrate .
And don't forget that many of our Politicians and their Parties want.. TURKEY to join the EU.
What about all the Scots in Corby?
No we didn't vote for this, Tony Blair and left wing labour caused this mess and Poland has just given him an award for allowing 600000 Polish people to move here. That says it all really.
What's the problem? These are hardworking people, making a decent life for themselves, so how is this different to Brits who move abroad? - redfx666, Somewhere over the rainbow, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 07:26 Most Brits abroad are either working, or retired with sufficient funds and assets to support themselves. They don't suck on their host countries benefit systems - they're not allowed to.
And Millibandwagon still thinks we should stay in the EU!
It's all because lazy Brits can't be bothered to put in the back breaking work of picking cabbages...unlike hard working Eastern Europeans!
To me it looks like Boston is thriving with all the pictures of trading shops and interviews with working people. But I suppose to most of you, empty, boarded up shops and a deserted high street would be much better considering these people are foreigners! By the way, try shopping in a Polish supermarket. The bread and meat is amazing.
If the government wont listen to the electorate they will eventually vote for the party most likely too. UKIP may be only way out for many and it will come to fruition if the government refuses to come to its senses. The ship is already overloaded, much of the manifest is unknown, the sea is getting choppy, the ship will sink. Will those that leave our shores to return home offer the indigenous population of this country a place in their lifeboat I wonder?
There's large areas of this country in Bradford and Birmingham for example that have large Asian communities. Britain has been letting in foreigners for years! Why now pick on the Eastern europeans?
What we need is a hardline right ring party elected for a 4 year stint. It will cause massive uproar but would be the best bet of sorting this mess out. After that then Conservative party back in to carry on fixing the mess left by labour. If this doesn't happen really soon then it will be really too late. RIP Great Britain
Yes they work hard but they get massively subsidised by the state, to bring their wages up, I know loads of hardworking youngsters who cannot get work becuase of mass immigration. They will be civil unrest very soon and everyone will wonder why.
This is what happens when traitorous lunatics like Blair and Beard are allowed to act out their little fantastical, eutopian multi-cultural ideals......the reality is VERY different.
I live in Boston what was once a quaint little town has become an awful place to live. Every shop that becomes vacant becomes a forign shop,beer cans that have forign labels on just thrown in the streets ,drinking is a serious problem especially in the local park on every bench forigners are drinking don't even go there now with my children as its discusting.Take my kids to school and all you hear is polish voices.Look in the local paper this week Boston Standard and most of the court cases are forigners that have been done for drink driving,driving with out insurance and theft and our local council says we have no problems with the influx of forign nationals....seriously??? .Boston can't take no more!!!!
I honestly don't see the problem with hard working people getting a job in the UK and living like a normal person. Our grandfathers, grandmothers and our ancestors may have migrated to the UK from a foreign country. No big deal, it just means you'll see some new, friendly faces around town.
Change is at a foot so what are we waiting for enough, britian has to remain british, enough Our tiny Island can take no more people, let alone raking our benefit system. Time for this Goverment to do one, UKIP is the answer time to say NO MORE
Not even going to moan, Just fed up with it now!
Please get it right for once. If any has a right to come and live here it's the polish people. Churchill said never has so many owed so much to so few, well the we're a big part of the few, and we made them go back to a communist Poland controls by Russia. We're the we're imprisoned or shot. We owe an everlasting debt to the poles. However, Bulgarians, romanians, we owe nothing. But they are in the EU and that's that's that.
Over the last months I've attempted to give my opinion about the forthcoming Romanian/Bulgarian influx but which the Daily Mail, for whatever reason, will not print. They seem to be like our politicians - all wind and no guts! My last attempt to criticise will be, if this is printed, that if things do not alter then as sure as eggs are eggs there will be a revolution in this country!
once again our younger generation will pay for the mistakes of the govenors, unemployed, no future left feeling betrayed by the system that taught them, the govenors children will be fine with their Eton education and helpful contacts, they show a lack of understanding and careing lableing everyone who protests as racist. We just want our kids to have work, when the non natives are willing to work for below minimum wage for 3 months our kids stand no chance.
If more immigrants want to come to UK, just to claim benefits and send the money back to their families, why don't we just send their benefits to them, (with a suitable discount) if they agree to stay in their own country? We wouldn't then have them competing for jobs/services etc.
So now I know why so many of us feel like foreigners in our own country - it's because we really are!
I move to UK 8 years ago. I finished my education, I've learned english and I got my job fair and square. I would never call myself immigrant, my parents did what they thought was right for our future. I'm working hard and just like Brits I pay taxes, national insurance etc. You cannot blame people from other countries for claiming benefits just because they can. There are British people in this country that just cannot be bothered to get a job and claim benefits as well and you see nothing wrong with that? You get lazy people in every country but it's not because of their nationality, it's because who they are!!
Can you please stop using the term "Eastern Europeans" and just simply name the countries. Not all, what you call "Eastern Europeans", are flooding to UK. I would be surprised if you could name 1 family from Slovenia living in that town.
Remember the poll tax riots?
i bet most of you voted tony blair in all those years ago,, its never the labour voters fault is it !!!!!!! just blame maggie,, your usual shout isnt it,,,,, ,,, ;(
I've got three bottles of champers on ice. One for when UKIP frees us from the EU choke; one for the "demise" of Tony Bliar" (in whatever form.... incareration, death...) and one for the demise of the person that in 1984 wickedly destroyed the wonderful mining communities and their folk. Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice.
"The local police,for example, insist migration has had no impact on crime rate."................................................................................................................................May I just remind any intelligent reader that there are still some of us who aren't deluded by the lies that labour have fed and still continue to feed us.
Hardworking foreigners, Unlike the locals, dole scrounging free loaders. Boston is a dump full of single (English) teenage mums and druggies. Don't blame the foreigners. Go on, red arrow me, but if you knew the town and dole claimants like I do....you'd think twice.
another imigration crisis what does cameron do to deal with it nothing he is abroad somewhere giving away millions of pounds of taxpayers money we dont have meanwhile there is a risk the this country is going to be swampt with east europians coming here to take advantage of benifit system this is a serious matter its time the people did somthing to stop this fiasco
another imigration crisis what does cameron do to deal with it nothing he is abroad somewhere giving away millions of pounds of taxpayers money we dont have meanwhile there is a risk the this country is going to be swampt with east europians coming here to take advantage of benifit system this is a serious matter its time the people did somthing to stop this fiasco
Well there you have it. Maybe the slightly right of centre Daily Mail would like to support the British people and actively back UKIP. Maybe the DM could carry out a national poll to discover the real feelings of the British people, a real true reflection of the British, including in it views of people from all walks of life and with all political views - and maybe the DM could sell more newspapers as a result? I read so much on these pages about Tory voters vowing never to vote for them again but very little from Labour supporters - or Tree Huggers. Come on DM. A real cross section view - not 1000 people who happened to answer the phone at a particular time of day.
What a very encouraging story. East Anglia is a perfect example of somewhere there should be no youth unemployment at all: if all those British school-leavers with no qualifications at all, who expect to be paid a high wage for doing a cushy, comfortable, no-effort job had the gumption (and energy) to work in the vegetable and flower fields for minimum wage, like the hard-working East European youngsters - but there, silly me, that would take effort, and they can earn just as much on Benefits, doing nothing. If they are - unusually - forced to take a job, they prove useless at it, get fired, and are back on the dole.
Unfortunately, voting UKIP will simply result in letting Labour in, possibly with a substantial majority. Since they were the ones to blame for all this, that would be a disaster. The solution is to force the Conservatives to live up to their name. Close the borders now, and stop access to health care for those who have not paid into the system.
This is why I have changed to UKIP, I want to see the doors close and stop this country falling as it is. We need to get this country back on it's feet and concentrate on the crime rates and sort the prisons and all the stupid laws etc.
I noticed one or two comments mentioned that we Brits do the same Abroad. Well yes in some cases I agree.BUT we lived in Spain for a while and NO WAY would they employ either of us before a Spaniard....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is a definate FACT and one reason we are back HOME 7 generations british
The Romanians will FLOOD this country, we haven't seen anything yet....
I agree the benefit thing is out of control. Even here in New Zealand. People come and have babies before even finding jobs. There should be a rule where if you don't find a job within a few months you'll be deported.
You can only blame the Governments Euro-Muppets ((Mr Cameron Ed Milliband Nick Clegg & Co) who grovel to the Germans/EU & there Uncontrolled Immigration..
And dave will continue to wail and wring his tied hands!
It seems most of citizen of the UK are concerned but we see Dave on television more concerned about world poverty in Africa. Stop talking Dave and start walking or are you in denial. If so suggest you get some very urgent counselling. Tony done a lot and got it wrong for the UK and you seem to be doing nothing and getting it wrong. You are looking at one of the biggest social time bomb this country has experienced for a very long time and you appear to be like a rabbit in a cars headlights. Maybe your personal fall back position is to emigrate.
Anyone who feels strongly about immigration should write to their MP pronto. Request that the matter be raised in the Commons. If everyone who posts here did it, something may happen. Probably not granted, but at least we can say we tried. Power to the people!!
People have noted here that many British (like me) go and live overseas so should not have a point of view. Well, we don't claim benefits and our medical bills are paid by the UK government. We also pump nearly all our money into the local economy - without us this place would be far worse off. Far different from the millions of immigrants into the UK.
Note that "arch-Eurosceptic" Elliott Fountain is happy to recruit cheap foreign labour and to make money by renting out houses to migrants, as well as from other business ventures. He only starts getting bothered when mass migration affects him personally, by having an impact on his son's school. All significant political parties in this country, including UKIP, exist to serve the interests of business and capital - not the general population. All of them are happy to see your living standards driven down to raise their own even higher. In the 1980s, the Tories used mass unemployment as a tool to do this; more recently, both parties' have used mass immigration of cheap labour and the financial meltdown caused by the greed and incompetence of their banking chums to achieve the same end. If the electorate was gullible enough to vote a UKIP government in, business would continue as usual - UKIP serves the same vested interests, and they demand cheap labour.
The immigrants were brought in to push down wages and conditions, it's warfare on the plebs.
The Gov'ts refuse to look at the issue and use the race card to divert any questions ridiculous situation across thecountry whereby the UK will go bankrupt. The cesspit of Europe. I live in Australia,was contemplating a return to the UK..........
Big life changing events, and not a vote was cast for this. We need a direct say on Bulgaria and Romania now.
Wonder if MPs read these articles and our comments and if they do I wonder if they care? Oh wait no it doesn't affect them the same in their leafy suburbs.
and they are attracted by wages which to us are a joke, but to them are a kings ransom. If the businesses in Lincolnshire paid a decent living wage they would persuade their young to stay, but the big cities of Nottingham, Leeds and Hull will pay much more, hence the vacuum which sucks in the migrants.
We have one chance left before this country has a revolution on its hands. It may not happen immediately but I would say in the next decade. We have all voted for various parties and they have all ruined this once beautiful country called England. Ukip ha a chance if they put a stop to the goings on.
Whats the betting the cabin crew are handing out benefit forms from the planes who are 10 minutes from landing here. This country is bankrupt, yet benefits are a never ending pot claimed by workshy brits and immigrants who have no entitlement to be here. Zimbabwe had $30 in its public sector bank account last week after it paid benefits and wages and it was slated! At least it did not be overdrawn, i wonder whats left in britains public sector bank accounts after everything is paid out, ill bet its using every bit of overdraft and more.
Hard working immigrants are worried about losing their jobs to the Bulgarians and Romanians, now they know how the British people felt. What goes around, comes around.
At least you get a smile when you get served not something you will get from Brits who work in shops who think they are above all that.
It's a disgrace. These people come over here; take all the jobs that decent Brits won't get out of bed to do, take up space in empty shops that would usually be boarded up or house charity stores, pay tax and add to the culture of our nation! How dare they?. Then they have the audacity to breed and expect our teachers to educate thier offspring. Would the last person here please turn out the lights.
Rejoice in variety.I am certain if the local people were prepared to do the same jobs for the same money there would be no vacancies for immigrant workers. ..'englishbychoice' ever thought of taking a holiday on the Costas in Spain or Magaluf!
Take a walk through Hereford City centre and you will find the exactly the same and I'm sure there are many more. When is the UK going to wake up and shut the doors at Dover. Many many Tory & Labour voters feel the only way forward is UKIP.
It's not just Boston, it's the country as a whole. I think most like, myself included, have nothing against immigrants who integrate and are lawful, it's the fact that we are swamped with them that is the problem. In comparison to most European Countries we are very small and we are already overcrowded. We've done our bit, it's time to shut the gates!
I love it. Even some of the immigrants are saying this country is too soft. Still the government won't make this a less attractive place for those wanting to come.
I never though I would say this but I am going to vote UKIP next time, this is not Great Britain I dont recognise my country anymore, our politicians have sold us out. It has been happening to our Major cities for years and an infulx like this to small towns is overwhelming just like it is to certain areas of any big city they take over. I do believe there will be big big probles very soon due to this politicians ignore this at your peril.
Bring on the referendum to leave the EU.- Paulajcs , Brentwood, 02/2/2013 07:24====I come from Switzerland but live and work here. People here often cite Switzerland as the perfect example of a country thriving outside the EU. However, Switzerland has massive immigration, 3 million of its approx 8 million citizens!!!!!!! Makes the amount in the UK look negligable. HOWEVER, the huge difference is the fact that the amount of benefits easily obtained here is ridiculous, inn Switzerland you are on your own and you have to work damned hard. Also, people can actually live on their wages, here they need state subsidy. how bizarre that Tories always bang on about reduction of benefits, yet refuse to increase the minimum wage? they can't have it both ways.
Some of the comments on here are astounding. There are more English people in these towns. But they're sat at home, watching Jeremy Kyle, clutching a packet of fags and a can of Stella.
I support any worker that comes here and works hard in a job to make a life, and pay his or her taxes, but feel that those who are a burden on society should be made to work to pay for their plane ticket and deported home immediately. Its a question of is this person a benefit to British society or is he or she not. Simple.
Why not simply surcharge the bulgarian and romanian governments on a pro rata basis for providing care and benefits to their citizens who come here? Lets make immigration a profitable business!!
Don't moan if you don't vote U K I P. We have all been warned about this.
All these people talking about Brits moving abroad never seem to mention the size of this country, Brits go to Spain or France , Canada or Australia, all very large countries where people are not crammed in and do not clog up the social services or, in the main, claim benefits. For the most part they boost the economies of these countries by paying their way. This reporter calls UKIP members "finger wagging emissaries", well, there are an awful lot of those around now. Also, I watched the programme where the local woman spoke up and it was she who rebuffed Mary Beard's version of living in Boston not the other way around. Mary Beard came across as being completely out of touch, as are most politicians nowadays.It is interesting to read that the Polish people are uncomfortable with the prospect of Romanians and Bulgarians coming here, they will now experience exactly the same treatment as our people have if their wages are undercut by any newcomers.
I have an American friend who is married to a British citizen and when they moved to the UK, both had jobs. But her US passport has a British stamp on it that says she can't claim benefits for Two years! I should add that she hasn't needed to do so, as she continues to have a job and pay taxes (what a concept)! But why is it that these folks who arrive in the UK with no job skills (but plenty of kids) can claim benefits within 3 months? The system in the UK is a real disaster.
"show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops" - englishbychoice Try Kavos, Malia, Benidorm, Magaluf, Ayia Napa, Alicante, Ibiza Town...I went to Rhodes a few years ago and knew when the transfer coach was going through Faliraki as every pub/club had a british name and as we were driving past Tesco and McDonald's - it was like a warmer version of Blackpool. And it has been like that for many many years. So foreigners come here, set up businesses and work and support the local economy as the article describes. Thousands of Brits on a weekly basis are foreigners in other countries where they have sex in the streets and drink til they vomit, with a total lack of respect for the country they are in. They don't exactly do us proud. Just saying...of course there are practical problems and our benefits system is open to abuse (by Brits too) but I'd rather have people come here to work than to behave like drunken sex obsessed louts.
At the next election I will vote for the person that gives a written undertaking that they will put Blair and his accolyte Cameron on criminal trial for destroying the country.
To our political class we are just bipedal work units,they don't believe in the concept of nationality which is why any privileges once enjoyed ,as a right of being born and bred in Britain ,have been removed.
Any comments from that idiot Mary Beard?
Crazy, crazy government. What happened to Cameron's promise to reduce immigration?. I don't even think he is conservative anyway. A joke of a man with no spine just his own agenda . Enough is enough.
What's the problem? These are hardworking people, making a decent life for themselves, so how is this different to Brits who move abroad? - redfx666 , Somewhere over the rainbow, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:26.....The problem is that they are ''not all'' decent hard working people...Granted the first influx 10 or more years ago probably were,but the message soon got back that Britain is a ''soft touch'' and ''surprise'',''surprise'' the ''free loaders'' started to arrive.And how do I know..simple my daughter in law is Polish and is disgusted how her fellow country men are ''milking our system''.And by the way they think we are ''stupid'' for allowing it,but hey who wouldn't be tempted by the ''easy life''.
1. If UKIP have most of the MEPs after the Euro Elections in 2014, how could Cameron possibly justify keeping us in the EU? 2. E petition 41492 to keep the restrictions in place on Romanians and Bulgarians.
NOONE AS VOTED FOR MASS IMMIGRATION. Conservatives were voted in as they said they'd deal with immigration - seems Nick prevents a lots of things in this respect happening. Certainly, its the 9th hour and this little Island needs to wake up and TAKE STRONG MEASURES NOW. I never heard such hypocritical standards as being witnessed these past years: our own nationals who return from a sojourn abroad are NOT GIVEN financial assistance when they return to England despite being able to prove 20 plus years of working and paying into the system, but migrants come and without any proof of having worked in their countries our welfare system serves out the cash - THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT. A migrant in Boston states 'soft touch England, you should be here having worked 5 years before any handouts'. Conservatives, take you head out of the sand, listen, look around these towns and cities THEN ACT DECISIVELY.
And this is the reason I am changing my vote from labour to UKIP. In certain parts of Cardiff its the same. No British shops, they're all Pakistani & halal or, like the town featured, Polish. If people want a better future for their kids/grandkids - a British future at that - they MUST vote UKIP. It's the only way out of this downward spiral. Our immigration is currently the highest in the EU at an average of 383,000 immigrants/year. Time to stop it now, before The United Kingdom loses its name & becomes United Nations!
Easiest way to reduce mass immigration and work shy culture ? No-one (regardless of nationality) gets ANY benefits until they have paid tax for three years, and any immigrant who commits one criminal offence must be sent home.
I wouldn't question if my children grew up wanting to leave this country..............
Mary Beard is such a clueless fool.
There is just too many coming over, too many. Take it how you want. There will soon be more immigrants than English people.
After Boston they should come to goole east Yorkshire and do a programme here.
"Park Academy primary school, where two-thirds of children do not have English as a first language, is among the best in the county and says it is ¿100 per cent happy¿ with the migration situation." A talking building? There's a novelty. What is a flower factory? Are they manufacturing artificial flowers in Lincolnshire?
It takes time/years for these immigrants to reach & achieve civilisation, so there will be a period of assimilation & adapting before they conduct themselves more closely to we British expect.. Eastern european culture is steeped in religious dogma, poverty, political corruption & fiscal debt.. But large organisations often turn to cheaper immigrant labour in order to maintain a trading balance. Menial manual jobs are frowned upon by the indigenous as rewards for hard work & low manual pay is similar to benefits..!
You keep voting for the same liars. No one to blame but yourselves.
This is because the ENGLISH are useless at business and they are just jealous.
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever..., whereever... - englishbychoice, durham-------------------And your examples are??? Brits of course go abroad to work and guess what, when the job is finished they go home. NO benefits and unless the country NEEDS them further NO citizenship! 'engglishbychoice' - more likely 'englishbychance'!
Lincoln should make sure they vote UKIP in the CC elections in May.
This is what you voted for folks... deal with it. - EdwardK , Riyadh, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:18................................Loads of red arrows, the truth hurts does it not. He's right, it is what we voted for. What I cannot understand, is it looks like, that this is what we will vote for again. As a UKIP member, I fail to understand,why our ranks are not growing. The E petition is almost stagnant, with nowhere near enough numbers to force a vote. So, either join up and sign up, or stop moaning, the government will not be swayed by the DM comments pages, it's time for positive action. Or as the guy said, "live with it".
I don't understand why Edward dK has received so many red arrows. He is right in that if you voted for any of the three main parties then you only have yourselves to blame. You knew their position on the EU and they even lied to you when they said you could have a referendum. Take it from me you are never going to get a referendum while these traitors are allowed to carry on.
There is nothing anyone can do about any immigration. The black market economy needs them. They are prepared to work hard in jobs long seen as beneath British workers.Employers will always seek cheap Labour. Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia have an abundance of cheap Labour. Never mind Romania and Bulgaria, just wait until Turkey joins the EEC.
The government has absolutely no power to change the rules. The rules are set by the EU. They don't effect other countries in the same way as there benefit systems are not as generous. All migrants are entitled to claim exactly the same benefits as anyone else so its no use complaining if you won't vote UKIP !! Why on earth do you think benefits. Tax credits etc are all being cut to the bone for our people. The LibLabCon know exactly what is going up happen in Jan 2013 and are terrified. Why do you think they are advertising street crime and dismal British weather in these countries now !!!! Powerless idiots. The Labour government welcomed this free imagination policy with no restrictions Blair has just been given a heros award. Now it has all come back to bite the hand wringing lefties on the backside. Oh and by the way I am a social worker !!!?
Keep the immigration debate alive by firing lies about it Daily Mail as if the whole of Bulgaria and Romania is standing by to fly to the UK as soon as the ban is lifted and UKIP will be so grateful for it. If you are so concerned about the truth do some research and find out that people cannot claim benefits as soon as they arrive here as the government introduced rules about EE migrants' eligibility for claiming benefits.
This country has been betrayed by the morons from the top and should be brought to task IMMEDIATELY! We have literally been invaded culturally, because our votes have been diluted by immigration.
I often scorn the politicians and the chattering classes who come on Question Time etc and tell us how good immigration is for the country. Not one of them lives in these areas and they ALL enjoy life living in nice middle-class suburbs or better. When I see or hear about any politician, or mouthy TV journalist etc actually living full-time amongst the ethnic ghettos then I will take them seriously.
The politicians should have thought about it in 1985 with the SEA, which was designed to allow free movement of goods,services and LABOUR. We should remember the post war history of Eastern Europeans that were in the Soviet Bloc. Throw off your oppresors and join us in the West with our big cars and "FREEDOMS" end this divided Europe. They did and for the next 30 years the West must see through this movement of Labour. and start planning instead of hoping for the best. Whatever the decade of mass immigration from Eastern Europe amounts too, its still far less than the 5 or 6 million from Asia and Africa. The government should start by giving figures out on Welfare , who claims the most and who puts in the most. My guess is Poles put in more and take out less than most.
The export market from Poland for deli foods must be fantastic. All those polish foods in all our supermarkets and new deli stores. This country not only supports eastern european migrants but also their countries export markets as well!
"Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops" Benidorm perhaps or Mallorca? Or any other town in Spain? Or Dubai? Or Toronto or Sydney? Or have the Brits decided to leave Spain once the economy faltered? Should have stayed and helped out the local population
Our government decided to boost the economy by bringing unemployed polish to the uk and the incentive was that the employer would not have to pay them the minimum wage and that the government would pay the shortfall to cover national minum wage ruling.
Before the Government cut child benefit for any child with British parents living in the UK, no matter how much they earn, they must cut child benefit to non British parents and those children living outside the UK. The EU and the LibLabCons are den of thieves, vote UKIP.
They will bankrupt this country and we will all suffer, is this Government doing anything to address this issue, which everyone seems to care about, ukip for me next time, even the tories cannot be trusted
The influx are prepared to work long hours for low pay and live in squalor, that sums up all that is wrong with this situation. Gangmaster is a nice name for slave trader many of these people trade on the misery and desperation of others to make money. They mostly do not abide by the employment laws and the industrial tribunal is held in the back of a van. DM this article is too timid try looking under what you are told. Boston was a nice little market town with the usual mix and the police could cope, they now face armed men who are physically fit and they cannot cope. The police will deal with a single person on their own but a group or known troublemakers are left alone. If you do not vote UKIP at any and every election in the future you are giving away your childs future rights to their own country.
The EU sets out quotas for everything else so why not immigration?
Well, as I've saod many,many times in these Comments - DON'T VOTE THESE FOOLS INTO POWER. You are all still banging on about politicians and how uselesss they are, and don take into account the opinions and veiws of the public, but when election time comes you CONTINUE TO VOTE THEM IN. There is no difference between any of the parties nor the individuals standing. Every time you vote you get garbage. STOP GROANING OR STOP VOTING! Bobby Leicester
So really, it's not the immigrants that annoy people, it's the spongers bludging off the state, taking the housing and filling the hospitals. I wonder when the politicians will fix that leak?
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. - Phil Diamond , Maidstone, 02/2/2013 07:28........................... Absolutely spot on Phil, and the thoughts of many people out here in paperland. Who cares what nationality you are, if you are clean,tidy and hard working. It's just a shame " someone " closed down the mines and steelworks etc.etc., due to petty revenge, and in one stroke ruined and ostricised a generation of " wanting to work youngsters." THE DAMAGE IS / WAS DONE ".
I'm embarrassed to be British because typically we have a good 25%+ of people who consistently moan about this very real issue but NEVER VOTE. If the government thought this 25% would ALL VOTE out of the EU this would initiate ACTION which would head off furthur immigration via our own enforceable BUT UNENFORCED controls - just like other EU member states. WAKE UP BRITAIN - get off your apathetic benefit claiming backsides and realise if you VOTE OUT of the EU at the very least you will secure your current benefits which will decrease as the funds left after more immigrants arrive eventually runs out. VOTE UKIP - the only party interested in BRITISH people.
Figures published in the DT a couple of weeks ago state: There are 500,000 unemployed Europeans in the country, 146,000 of them have never done a days work since they got here. Why on earth do we need more? Before 2004 the cabbages in Lincolnshire still got picked.
Show your disatisfaction at Both LOCAL and GENERAL ELECTIONS. Voting AGAINST Camerons lot can be a PEACEFUL Rebellion ! WRITE and COMPLAIN to YOUR own MP.
Go to any other European country and you get nothing from their benefit system and that includes medical treatment. As an ex serviceman I spent many years in Germany and my wife had to leave her UK job to be with me. She was entitled to German benefit's until she found a job out there but got nothing they just make it impossible to claim even though they themselves say you are entitled..
I don't mind the Poles being here. They were magnificent allies during World War II and contributed massively to OUR defence. But the rest of the East Europeans should have been subject to some kind of quota system.
What a terrible thing that we in our country would have riots over immigration, what on earth have these governments done to us, Cameron needs to have a good look at our country and do something before its to late.
They are need to work on the royal farmlands which are aplenty in Lincolnshire and surrounding areas. Why do you think the queen is pro eu? To help you lot? This is why the royals started the western african slave trade, cheap labour at the expense of the brits. If we want to sort out immigration we need to remove the royals.
Why are you blaming the present party for this? It wasn't them who opened up the floodgates to let the immigrants in. They have so much on their hands cleaning up the mess left by the last party that it is another number on their agenda. Give them a break.
We should ignore the EU rules, just as France does to the rules they don't like. What will the EU do to us ? There is nothing they can do !
We don't need to leave EU to make changes .its the Govt to blame for not applying the same rules . If we go to Spain or Poland we would not get free housing and handouts , so why dont we do the same ?.i have written to MP many times but he dodges my questions . I live in Harlow and it is full of east Europeans , and their shops etc all driving old cars from Latvia which should not be here after 6 months but the police are not interested . It's the fault of the Govt and Authourities and they're just not listening to the public .
>>>>What's the problem? These are hardworking people, making a decent life for themselves, so how is this different to Brits who move abroad? - redfx666 , Somewhere over the rainbow, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:26>>>> What a ridiculous statement. Name another country in the world where you would get housing, education, translators, health, child benefit, tax credits, etc, and then be paid to live here if you don't have a job. If I were to move to France or Poland or Romania .... I would get NOTHING.
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever..., whereever..., 02/02/2013 03:16 Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops? - englishbychoice, durham, 2/2/2013 7:24**Benidorm.
To Nannyjan61 - By the time the British people stir themselves & get around to organising a revolution, we'll be outnumbered by the recently arrived immigrants anyway....
I live in Boston and it is awful. I have seen my town go from a beautiful market town wo one i hardly recognise. The schools are bursting at the seems and struggling with the vast number of pupils who can not speak English. I fear for my childrens future round here. Half our town is a no go area esp at night. West street, High Street have so much trouble with fights between the polish and the lithuanians and just read the boston standard court briefs it speaks volumes. We have had enough, our town is too small to cope with the vast influx of migrants it is creating racial tension x
Yes but come the next election most of you will vote LibLabCon as usual. UKIP in a recent pole dropped 2points. If you honestly believe Cameron can repatriate powers from the EU then you are deluded !! Our Gordon Brown put paid to that when he signed the Lisbon treaty ! Article 50 prevents any repatriation so get real. Have the guts to change and vote UKIP because even if the people want out and it was a huge Yes to leave do you think for one minute you would be allowed. Remember what happened in Ireland Wise up. Dont believe everything you are told by LibLabCon.
Politicians think they know what the public want. They don't and have never listened. Unfortunately all too often, northern towns vote labour, for some class struggle related historic reasons. The reality is Labour kept the border open and widened it further, in fact I remember Tony Blair talking of immigration from Eastern Europe with his mouth as wide open as the border.
so i take it that if i change my nationality the government will give me a shop and a pocket full of money. only one question, where should i decide i come from.
I wonder if the Polish people would be quite so understanding, if a million Brits went to live there. Mostly on Benefits. This is what Brussels wants. They want the British identity destroyed. Wake up now people, because December will be too late. I will not bother saying what I think of Westminster.
AND they can speak English,
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever..., whereever..., 02/02/2013 03:16 Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops? - englishbychoice , durham, 02/2/2013 07:24 - The often rolled out comparison is the likes of Kavos, Ibiza etc which on face value is kind of correct until you realise these resorts base their economy on Brits abroad, the workers are essentially paid in free alcohol and at the end of the summer they all go home, leaving the money they spent behind, they aren't living 10 to a room in a rented house, not paying rent and shipping every penny they earn out of the country!
"Park Academy primary school, where two-thirds of children do not have English as a first language, is among the best in the county and says it is ¿100 per cent happy¿ with the migration situation." Schools NEVER admit that immigration has had a detrimental effect on them, I should know, I worked for 25 years in education and not a single comment about it was allowed to be spoken without risk of sacking for "RACISM"
Bugsy Malaga.....................................................I think 10 years before they can claim anything and only if they have been in continual employment for at least 8 years.
What about the immigrants from the Indian subcontinent?
What I find baffling is why eastern Europeans prefer the UK to Germany, which has a better benefit system and is nearer.
But the Government past and present dont care what the plebs say, they bury their heads in the cabbage fields and hope it will all go away and the people who have flagged up the problem will be called bigots. Let's face it, with the freedom of labour in the EU signed up for by labour or tory this will occur and I just cant wait for the rumanians and bulgars to come over and undercut the poles, and baltic people, not of malice but to show how it is all about cheap labour and the cheaper the farmers can make it they will exploit it. The minimum wage will be exactly the same as much as they toil in the fields. But I believe the Tories could just opt out of the two countries allowed in on December 31st. They opt out of everything else they dont like but this is an attack on the working class so hey ho it doesnt matter... but they are shooting themselves in the foot because nobody believes Cameron and his referendum well after this event. Vote UKIP no in/out just out!!!!
Hey, I'm a science PhD student in university number 4 in the world with full scholarship but who cares about my opinion, I'm Eastern European. I'm evidently here for the benefits system, and the tens of thousands of pounds my parents poured out of their pocket have totally not gone to my previous university, landlords and shops/transport system in England.
Doncaster is exactly the same.
don't the British go abroad and work in places such as Dubai and Hong Kong ? What about the British community in Spain ?
Stop whining about it, join or vote for a political party that will stop it. Just stop voting for more of this LibLabCon and EU nonsense please!
Surely getting people to do the essential jobs at the lowest conceivable wages is at the heart of Tory political philosophy. They should be delighted that this aspect of the free market works so well. On the other hand, maybe some of that much hated 'regulation' they despise, that guarantees decent working conditions and a reasonable living wage rather than a minimum wage, would do a great deal to stem some of the tide of migrant workers. By the way, a few years ago we were being told that Bulgaria was the "'next big thing'" and thousands of British people were buying property there as holiday homes and in the hope of making a a quick buck. Funny how we like to pick and mix only the aspects of EU policy which give US certain advantages.
No politician is thinking of you my dear British people only that they get the vote and keep THEIR jobs, is their ANY politician got the guts to defend or speak up for us, I think not they are only puppets for their future jobs in Brussels, we have been told we are racist I for one is fed up with that word, I am not I just love my country and fed up with my nation being in the minority, the saying is "You can't flood one nation with another" how true.
I've never voted UKIP before but I will this year. I speak as someone of Polish immigrant descent - my grandparents came over after WW2, worked hard and never took anything from anyone, even when they were incredibly poor. The same work ethic went to my parents, which went to me too. The injustice of people being 'entitled' (disgusting concept) to benefits paid for out of the taxes of genuinely hardworking people enrages me beyond measure. This applies to homegrown scroungers as well as those from other countries.
The Polish immigrant has got it ALL wrong the government HAS always told us that immigrants in this case the BULGARIANS & ROMANIANS are only coming to BOSTON because the locals won't work in packing factorys, So the local LATVIANS, LITHUANIA's POLISH RUSSIAN's have nothink to worry about it's not about MONEY! You just have to be prepared to work in the local factory's, same as the English did before you arrived, NO WORRIES THEN!! English Bostonian
I have said it before and I say it here, that the good folk of Britain will implode one day soon, as they will simply have had enough and anarchy fills our streets. Perhaps only then will all these PC politicians cock an ear and and actually listen to the people they are supposed to serve!
There will be riots soon and not justt the underclass
The Liberal Democrats are warning their Tory coalition partners against acting in a discriminatory manner as ministers draw up plans to impose welfare restrictions when Romanians and Bulgarians are given full travel rights next year. Why are we always accused of discrimination when this subject arises? Can the EU and this government not seem to understand that we are unable to sustain anymore immigration.We are one of the smallest countries in the EU. A limit should have been agreed on the numbers countries could accept based on their size and economic situation. A German court has ruled that Romanian & Bulgarian migrants can now claim healthcare and social welfare there....so maybe we may not be so attractive as a destination.I know the Brits also move to Europe ....but the are not adding to the strain on the education system, health,housing and job market to the detriment of the nationals...plus these countries are much larger than the UK. It is not the immigrants fault.
Having read this article, I have only one comment to make: we Brits are too fat and too lazy- we need to get off our big fat asses and learn the importance of hard work instead of moaning constantly about Eastern Europeans who are prepared to work and to make a living for themselves and their families!!!!
There's a complete ban on discussion on this subject from the TV stations - especially the BBC. They instead concentrate on "Government cuts" and ignore the intolerable strain local services are under. The Tories are unwilling to discuss the issue truthfully as it exposes their impotence under EU law. This then leaves the Labour party with a continual open goal at which to score points off a government desperate to put a lid on the cost of benefits.
most of the English didn't want to lose there jobs either did they ........ in our town in Northampton they just have agencies now that just employ foreigners if that is not racist what is ........ please don't let anymore in and give the jobs back to the people in this country instead of making them out to be scroungers, lazy and criminals not all of us are ........ some of us would like jobs to go too.........
Maybe when camerloony's finished chasing the next war and provided they can extract his head from his backside, then maybe he'll actually do something about this. No thought not, he won't ever do anything useful for this country. Time for change, we need UKIP
As a Bostonian I see the problems and agree that we cannot absorb any further influx of ecomonic immigrants. Those who have settled with families have or are intergrating well but those who are here just for the work and money living four or five to a room contribute little and spoil it for the rest.
I am an engineer from outside EU. I have studied and acquired skills abroad (not used UK tax payer money for this) and contributing to UK economy (most of the work I do benefits UK industry and also brings export income). I pay all my taxes in full. I am living for almost 5 years now and neither I claimed any benefits nor I am eligible for any benefits (my visa say clearly no recourse to public funds). I don't have any complaint for this, as I believe it is fair for one to contribute before claiming benefits. Why this is so different for people from EU, who can claim benefits within three months of arrival including for the kids living outside UK. The rules must be similar EU immigrants as well and they should not be eligible for any benefits until they contribute and pay all taxes for 5 years. Just make this simple change and see what happens to the immigration from Bulgaria, Romania, Poland or any other country
The problem is that these people come and take our jobs (those who are not on benefits.) They spend their wages in their shops and send the rest back to the country they came from. There really should be a rule that if they need medical treatment they have to either pay for it or go back to their own country. They should not get any benefits until they have paid tax for at least five years. Why the hell should the rest of us hardworking tax payers pay for these migrants who don't really give anything substantial back to this country - including not even bothering to speak English.
Im from Poland and moved to England in 2005 Since this time so many thinks has change in this country for worse People can came from Poland bad people lazy people with families Straight when they have national insurance number (after few weeks working in a factory for example) they straight after that can apply for any type of benefits, council home or anything!!! This is crazy! I fell sorry for all you English people and feel embarrass for all those polish people that are doing nothing only making more children to get more money! And if an English person would like to move to Poland and would like to apply for any type of benefits in Poland there is no chance for that! I really don¿t know what is wrong with this government! And everywhere you have got polish translators so if you applying for tax credits you don¿t have to speak even English!!!!! Shame on you all polish waste of space people
I don't get it, Poland's economy is stronger than our near bankrupt one...why come here?
David Cameron is going to have a revolution on his hands if immigration carries on like this. - nannyjan61 - Staffs , Staffordshire, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 07:32 =================== no he won't. We've been saying the same thing for the last 30 years. In fact you can substitute Cameron's name with Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair or Brown, who've all done their bit on immigration - and what have we, the voting public, done ? Nothing, zero, zilch. Sorry, we have done something - we've moaned about it.
Britain has invaded and colonised other countries for hundreds of years. We are responsible for displacing thousands of people from their lands, homes, cultures and languages. We have used these people to our advantage via slavery and indentured labour and as a means to profit when it suited us. We have taught these people to look towards Great Britain as the imperial centre. Hardly surprising that when people from other countries want to make a better life for themselves and their families they look towards a British culture of 'if it doesn't belong to, take it anyway, via any means possible'. Only difference is, these people are here legally and are well within their rights. The government needs to acknowledge this by strengthening our infrastructure; more schools, hospitals, more staff, rejuvenating inner cities and housing, and accepting that in terms of immigration you reap what you sow.
Just reading all this & everything else thats happening in this country. Put me back in the 50s when we all skint all British all happy.
I forgot to mention-who cares about the shops and restuarants that they have here-you only have to go to Spain to see a British Invasion!
Boston born myself, and if you read up on the history of the town you will see that it was founded by Eastern Europeans back in the 17th Century - so what is the problem ?? { bring on the red arrows, I speak the truth}
The point is local impact, change, over-colonisation making a previously comfortable environment alien to the people who grew up there and not sociology about the 'underclass' (yawn) as if this is what goes through the minds of people born in Boston or Spalding or Peterborough years ago and who see these places as 'home'. The intellectual argument for Weimar was great and the case against Nazism was even greater but it is emotion which governs people in the main, followed by how many ppunds are in their pockets. It's almost as if the ineptitude of fringe parties (that they have disgraceful and barely hidden beliefs) is what stands between locally organised and delivered council change. Taking over local councils is hardly rocket science if there genuinely is a sober, organised and non-racist majority willing to organise and stand in wards in places like those just mentioned.
So Obarma has the audacity to tell us Brits to stay in the EU, along with the Germans. Well maybe if they are so concerned about the welfare of the UK they should take our immigrants. We have the next batch coming in at the end of this year. This island is overpopulated, with little prospects for the younger generation. I have children who have degrees and cannot get work, because they have no experience. Yet immigrants who barely speak our native tongue do,because they are paid peanuts, but is better than their life in their own country. David Cameron, need to stop pussy footing around and let the people have their referendum.
Why do peope get so upset about immigration? Thew world is a melting pot of cultures and peoples. It is never static. The history of Britain is a history of immigration, through Celts, Romans, Jutes, Saxons, The Danes, The Normans, Jamiacans etc etc. The idea of a sealed static culture has always been a fiction, and even more so in this globalised age.
The majority of East Europeans that come here are good hard working people who want to get a job and pay their way-I recently stayed at The Westbury in London and all the staff there were East European apart from the doormen and boy were they fantastic,impeccabley dressed,polite,helpful-nothing was too much for them. It's the same throughout the country-anywhere I go and where I am served by East Europeans I can be guaranteed of the best possible service. Of course there will always be a few bad apples but isn't that the same in every country in the world? For example uneducated people assume that all Romanian's are gypsies-becase of the word "Roma" which is simply an ethnic minority that originates from India hence why some from the Eastern Bloc look Indian with their dark features.Let me tell you now that normal hard working Romanian's despise the gypsies and their is continual tension between both groups very much like how hard working Britons despise benefit scroungers.
Cabbage capital !!!!!!! Rude !
Nearly everyone moans about it but never done anythings years ago when we still had a chance It's to late now anyway its not Britain anymore Things will change one day it can't carry on like this
I work in housing in a town in the south east of England surrounded by Green Belt and there are no homes for the four thousand people on the housing waiting list. The sparse building work done in this town is re-developing large older private houses into private apartments which then puts a strain on the town's infrastructure. We can't address the problem for the homeless people already living in the UK, who are currently living with relatives etc and desperate for their own home so how can we house future millions entering from poorer EU countries. Where are the queues of Western Europeans heading for Eastern Europe? How many mice can you get in one cage without building on the Green Belt and green open spaces? Creating urban sprawls attached to towns will lose communities access to these precious green spaces. Britain and some other European countries should be offered a referendum.
They can come here if they want, as the average Briton is too lazy and arrogant to go to work. They still beat an English person to a job even though they can't speak English, are not familiar with the culture and have few qualifications. I bet this will be red arrowed because I am supporting migrants entering this country. Bring in the poles.
LOL, immigrants complaining about other immigrants taking their jobs for less money. What is the Polish for "Irony"?
How many people did you speak toin Boston,I suspect you only spoke to the usual people harping on about immigrants,I as a Bostonian only see that the number of immigrants has only enhanced the town.Was Boston that great before the immigrants arrived.Ithink not.
Polish shops and Polish restaurants. Seems like somebody's working hard, keeping the high street from becoming a ghost town, and contributing to the local economy. This has got to be a good thing, surely.
It was Blair Brown Milliband and Balls who opened the immigration doors, not the Conservatives. IF THEY (conservatives), WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE NEXT INFLUX. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH THOUGH.
my son cannot get any benefits at all, and he was born and bred in britain, thats what europe and the british parliament think of the indigenous population of britain
You cruel people, whatever happened to being kind and generous - bob Whitaker, London, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 2:33 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been sucked dry.
EdwardK, Riyadh, United Kingdom, 07.18. Not all voted for this, though you have a point, when you look at the statistics, and see how many want to return Labaaaaa to power again.
You can claim for children that AREN'T here??? That is absolutely insane. What the hell is going on? European Union law is killing the UK, slowly and surely through economic migration.
ALL our towns & cities are the same, we are a tolerant, welcoming nation. We welcomed many hard working immigrants in the 1950's/60's & they integrated. But this is just too much now, our country can't cope with this. I hope UKIP can sort it.
I do not have a problem with people escaping hard ship in their own country if they are here to take on jobs that frankly some of the people sat at home taking their hand out of benefits prefer not to take or if they are here supporting themselves but I do have a problem when these people also then sit at home accepting benefits when people, like the little girl milly in another of this mornings articles are failing to get the help and support they need.
Surely it will be more useful to overhaul the benfits system altogether, making it less attractive to those from those from all oevr the world who are only coming here for the benefits. A start could be made by cutting child benefit to a maximum of two children from now.
Romanian shop front looks photoshopped and fake. - Betsy, London, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 10:20 Very probably it is : look at the "Baltic" store at it's left ' particularly at the blue flag which has vertical sides while the rest of the headboard is leaning forwards.
BLAIR,BROWN ETC DID IT AND WE STOOD BY AND WATCHED THEM GIVE OUR COUNTRY AWAY,
There is a similar mood which has turned into a movement in Canada under the name ¿Idle no more¿. The indigenous people of Canada are now taking to the streets to protest at government policy and legislation which they say have no mandate from the indigenous people which harms their land sovereignty. The indigenous people are referred to as First Nations. They are complaining about a bill that goes by the name of C-45 which is a bid by the government to change the laws protecting the rights of Canada¿s indigenous people. If you type into Google ¿Canada's indigenous movement gains momentum¿ you can read the whole story on the Aljazeera News website. Our laws have already been changed so that we cannot give preference to our own people in jobs, housing and school places which did not have the consent of the indigenous people of the UK. Neither did we give consent to have open borders with all the countries of the EU and mass immigration and all the problems that it is causing.
The British are a stupid silly people and vote for idiots to run their country. Which other country would pay out millions to keep foreigners on free benefits for life ??? While at the same time Tax their own poor people to pay these benefits. Criminals and Terrorists also have a good life here because the idiots in power will not deport them. One has to be really stupid to vote for a Government who robs the Poor to give it to the Rich.
THE EU was planned to CAUSE CHAOS!!!!!!, it is TOTALLY unacceptable that PEOPLE feel LIKE FOREIGNERS in their OWN COUNTRY. ENOUGH is ENOUGH! out NOW, do you hear CON, LIB and LAB, YOU are ALL a TOTAL AND UTTER DISGRACE.
Immigration I voted UKIP yesterday for this very reason
Yes the benefit system must be changed to stop any immigrant claiming for 5 years and no Passports for 10 years and no vote for 15 years. Why do our Gov not do this now, or say 2 years ago.
When are people going to wake up. If the immigrants are from an EU country then there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop them coming here . This was what signing up to the EU was all about. We joined the club....if we didn't read thee rules before...then who's fault is that??. Ok I accept this is probably a case of the' Law of Unintended Consequences'...but even then we have to take responsibility for the downside...since clearly there is always a flipside to anything you go for in life. No dear fellow readers. If we have to blame anyone it has to be the feckless waste of spaces we comically call politicians. They signed us up to all this....and i will bet none of them ever digested the implications of what they were signing for.Just wait till the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.We havn't seen anything yet!.It will be Babel!
This country will never defeat poverty if we keep importing it.
This isn't the first time we've had problems with mass immigration & it won't be the last unless something is done. Anyone who is old enough will remember when Africans moved here. There was uproar & racial hatred. They took over large areas of towns & white people moved out. Next it was Asians & this time on a much larger scale. They brought their extended families with them & took over entire towns. Places became known as 'little India'. Now it's the Poles & East Europeans. Britain has had to endure mass immigration over the years & I think everyone has had enough now. We no longer have room for them. We do not have jobs, homes, schools. The NHS can't cope, we are losing services. We have to close the doors or put restrictions in place. ++++ whatever..., wherever 02/02/2013 03:16 - Brits haven't invaded other countries in their millions so it's not the same at all! Many went to Australia but at the request of the Australian govt. on a £10 passage & lots of them came back! +++
No other country would be soo stupid and run their country the way we do, it`s time things change before it gets worse, i dread what the future holds for Britain, This has got to stop, we don`t have the houses, schools and our hospitals are stretched to the limit too, this needs to be addressed,we pay towards it but don`t get a say too !!! The government needs to get a reality check and deport some people so that us who are here can live a better life, our children can`t leave home as they can`t afford their own places and gets jobs, our children are working hard to educate themselves but the jobs are going to them who don`t have to prove their backgrounds, we the British people should come first. We wouldn`t be able to settle in any other country like people so here, i can understand why so many Britains flee abroad but easier said than done !!!
'The Department for Work and Pensions says that, under the previous government, there was no attempt to record the nationality of people receiving benefits, and that it is only starting to catch up'. Well thanks a bundle Liebour! At least we can now see what Rachel Bull was speaking about on BBC's Question Time and once again it shows that the left wing academic Professor Mary Beard of Cambridge University wasn't slow in coming forward to tell us and Rachel Bull that everything in the garden was coming up roses! I know who I believe and it aint Leibour or some left wing idiot from Cambridge University.
My own town centre, Wilmslow is devastated with empty shops as a result of chain stores closing and big supermarkets selling everything, so it might be good to have a few east european shops.
England is a joke to the rest of the world. They see us as the idiots who allow everything! Who's fault is that? Ours of course! If we have matched the streets, protested, raised our voices, etc, we would have another situation! But our "political correctness" and fear to be looked as impolite has led us to where we are now! Although I think UKIP is a bit extreme, it may be the only option! Extreme measures to extreme situations. Be ready Cameron! You didn't listen to your people! You're on your way out!!!!!!!
Mike Gilbert is absolutely right. We teach our kids (and ourselves) they can have it all and as a result no-one wants to graft hard and live 'low' for a few years - building from the ground up. They want everything now. My first job in London paid about £200 a week. Travel cost £60 and I lived in a £60 a week room in a shared house; a dump with two blokes I didn't know. I worked 830 to 6 and was left with about £80 for food, bills and little luxuries like going to the pub once a week or buying some new toiletries. No car, no TV, no games console rarely anything new. That was 20 years ago. It gave me character and desire to make something of myself which I have. These immigrants for the main are hard workers. What 19 yr old kid these days would jump at the chance to pull up cabbages for 12 hours a day for minimum wage then return to a hovel shared with 9 others? And why would they have to when sitting on their backsides playing Xbox on the benefit dime pays them not to.
One year till it happens. You could say start an online petition for an early general election. Labour would love it. Then it's up to everyone to change things. Imagine someone different in power than Lab/Con. We need to stop arguing amongst ourselves and make it happen. Sounds cheesy but there is more of us than there is of them and the more of us together, the more powerful your voice becomes. You tell your children they can be anyone they want to be with hard work and effort, so why can't we as adults still believe we have the power to change things? Keep the faith!
Amazing isn't it? When the English complained about the Polish taking their jobs, the English were called lazy and racist. Now the Polish are complaining that the Bulgarians and Romanians will take the jobs they have taken from the English, everyone is taking notice. If there was a poll to determine the most downtrodden and abused people of earth, the English would be at the top of the table.
You people keep voting red blue red blue. No sympathy at all
This is what you get when you vote New Liebour and then Blue Liebour. If you want to change this take off the blinkers and vote UKIP.
Foreign driving licence holders cannot receive fixed penalties for driving offences, and so have to appear in court. That is why the local paper reports a disproportionate number of foreign offenders in court. It may not necessarily be that they are more frequent offenders. From what you say about theft, it would seem that migrant workers are more law-abiding.
It is a lie saying that immigration hasnt impacted this country in a very negative way. Of course Blair doesnt care about it as his bank account is not affected by it. Parents of 40.000 children living outside the UK get benefits it's outrageous. Close the borders, give a 6 months time for a foreigner to find a job or go back to their country. If we can't get out of the diabolical EU at least let's keep our borders protected. Could british bear arms we would have a civil war.
Foreign driving licence holders cannot receive fixed penalties for driving offences, and so have to appear in court. That is why the local paper reports a disproportionate number of foreign offenders in court. It may not necessarily be that they are more frequent offenders. From what you say about theft, it would seem that migrant workers are more law-abiding.
The whole of the UK is being taken over by unskilled economic migrants. Politicians stand around picking their noses, whilst fiddling their expenses, telling us all it's for our own good. I am sick of watching this country being wrecked by an incompetent so-called 'Government', who are only too happy to take orders from mainland Europe like the bunch of sycophantic, panting, drivelling lap-dogs they are. It's time for change. It's time for UKIP. - Withnail Xtreme, Camden Town, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 7:43 So your view is to change who you vote for and it will be all; better? That hasnt worked for the last 50 years has it? And it wont for the next 50, not until you are beaten, hungry and in debt you cant afford - then its too late.
So when are you people who are commenting going to actually get onto the streets and do something? No good simply typing and saying how 'annoyed' you are. - Chris, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 2/2/2013 11:16 You do realise that people have been jailed for doing precisely that, don't you ?
Go Australia
I wonder how many of you ranters and ravers - will vote for UKIP. Because if you don't - you are the very people who have caused this problem ... and will continue to feed it.... until it becomes terminal (which it soon will be).
Why does everybody blame the present government when Labour passed all this immigration and opened our borders up years ago. The country at thd present us a hangover from the last government.
The great and the good in Landaan won't like this.
"Vile and disgusting "ROMANIAN SHOP" "POLISH FOOD" and the sub text written in their own languages, so much for integration, it's disgusting. - Tiny, Bucks, 2/2/2013 1:05" Your attitude is vile and disgusting. What about Chinatown in Soho? Is that disgusting? How about the vast number of British enclaves in popular ex-pat areas of Spain such as the Costa del Sol, full of British-run shops, bars and cafés? Their signs are written in English. Are they disgusting?
Price to pay for dismantling USSR and joining EU.
the whole country is sick of immigrants.
"there is little talk of ¿multi-culturalism¿ here in Boston" ------------------ Hardly surprising seeing as east Europeans adhere to the SAME culture as all other European/Brits.
Never thought I'd say it but UKIP will be getting my next vote because this is getting ridiculous
if you've voted labour or tory over the years, well done, it's your fault. Now live with it. - kev56 , london, 02/2/2013 02:54 The same applies to you liberal democrats in the US
I understand why pensioners are having their bus passes, TV licences and winter fuel allowance taken from them. Money has to be found for the immigrants benefits.
MP's continue to bury their heads in the sand over the immigration problem and fail to realise that there will be major problems arising before the next election!!
Vote for UKIP and lets turn this sinking ship round. Why such a rich and historic country like Britain is brought to it;s knees. We are not saying NO to immigration but a CONTROL and CAP to immigration
Sick of our present bunch of politicians, have just been online and joined UKIP £15 well spent I think.
TO THE PERSON WHO SAYS THAT THE BRITS DO THE SAME GOING ABROAD - WE DON'T ALL GO TO THE SAME COUNTRY - USUALLY HAVE A JOB - HAVE MONEY TO SUPPORT OURSELVES AND TO BUY A HOUSE - WE GO NOT EXPECTING TO GET ANYTHING FOR NOTHING!
Why dont we get Blair on all those lefties who claim this uncontrolled immigration and single market is good to live with them for a month.
Waste of time complaining,nobody is listening.The only answer is to vote UKIP to get OUR country back because none of the other three have any intention of changing a thing.
As recent as the early 1900's, indigenous British considered the next village only 5 miles away, to be teeming with threatening 'foreigners' because they had a vaguely different dialect. But, there was no PC brigade then; it is human nature to be suspicious of difference (look at all the tribes in Africa and the middle East) and, you can't legislate for that! Trouble ahead! We are sick of having different cultures and languages rammed down our throats! We like 'our' culture. And the governments only have themselves to blame. Heck, even our immigrants are sick of immigrants. Britain is FULL, it is a FACT not discrimination. The end result is producing the very slums, tribes, crime, persecution, overcrowding and third-world squalor and services that these immigrants have tried to escape from! Just noticed the beautiful Blair family have bought their 7th home, increasing their property portfolio to 20 million!
David Cameron is going to have a revolution on his hands if immigration carries on like this. - nannyjan61 - Staffs, Staffordshire, United Kingdom, 02/02/2013 07:32------- Just how? If people took to the streets and they deployed armed police, just how would we fight back. Tony Blair brought in such strict gun laws that they have no fear of the people, the people in fact fear them! The people of this country are cowed obedient servants to the troika of political parties, you have no choice.
Does Cameron care, doubtful. It is not as if it his job that will be affected. If he had the backbone to stand up to the EU and stop, or at least severely cut back on, immigration he would be doing this country a great service. A good start to cutting back on immigration would be to pass legislation that no immigrant, regardless of race, creed or colour, is entitled to ANY benefits in this country for the first 12 months of being here. If they cannot afford to house, feed, take care of themselves, provide for private dental/medical care for them selves and their families during this time, well tough. Go and live elsewhere!
I have no problem with people coming to the UK (my own father did from Germany), however there are some rules that MUST be put in place: 1. They have to speak English fluently. 2. They must work or self support themselves. 3. They cannot claim benefits until they have worked for x (to be defined) number of years. 4. Child benefit should only be paid to children who live here.
Here in Spain on the Costa Blanca there are many, many towns with huge numbers of ex-pat shops, bars and restaurants. I recently took some Spanish friends to a restaurant only to find they did not have a menu in Spanish. All nationalities will do this when they move to another country. The problem is claiming benefits when you have not contributed is what upsets people. We do not get benefits when we move to other countries, and pensioners lose some of the benefits they would get if they stayed in UK.
Britain has always been a place people came too for hundreds of years migrants settled here some for economic reasons and some to escape persecution. The difference this time is that the sheer number of migrants is costing the country billions, money that we just don't have. Millions on extra support in education for children who don't speak English, millions in additional health care costs, millions in benefit payments. Years ago when the immigration of Eastern Europeans started I asked the local MP how we as a country could afford to absorb so many people and was told that they gave to the economy and didn't take. In years gone by that may have been true but today it isn't , we are paying benefits British people who can't get a job and we are paying in work benefits to migrants who work for min wage, billions of pounds are sent out of the country and not used in our economy but in Eastern European economies and we can not afford it
Anyone seen the documentaries on Magaluf and we are worried about immigrants. They will come but given half a chance will want to move on like many of of us. Australia and Canada however will just cream off the top.
When I received child allowance if I took my children out of the country for over six weeks the benefit stopped, why treat the foreigners any different. Also 18 to a house is common in Kent too. Money is flooding out the country.
We should have the IN/OUT EU vote this May when the local elections are held. There should also be another question we can vote on at the same time. Death penalty restored. YES/NO. Its time we told useless politicians this is our country that they have ruined and we want it back under our terms not theirs.
Straight from the horses mouth so to speak!!!! If they are worried about the jobs they have,then it points to the fact that our benefit system is going to take a big hit when they start losing their jobs to cheaper labour. Don't take any notice of the hot air being spouted by central government . Mark Harper is our M.P in f,o,d, and I can tell you over a month ago the district councillor was knocking my door asking how I intended to vote in the distant local elections, I said UKIP every chance, that shows how grass roots feel in the forest, not only that mr.Harper was right behind cam in the forest sell offs. So for him to be re elected might need a miracle, so come on NIGEL find a good canditate for f.o.d because it's there for the taking, take no notice of this hot air about a referendum it will never happen.
God help us, the world is in recession, but good old U K is always a soft touch lets head there. Free housing, medicine etc, it has got to be the best choice and their are no tough checks, language requirements, particular skills needed in said country, no it's so easy ! U K here we come in our droves. I remember visiting Boston it was a pretty little place, so sad and so preventable and yet it is just the tip of the iceberg , far worse is to come.
The comments from people saying .. what is the problem..... are the people who have no idea, what our country , used too stand for, what our parents fought for, and now it has become a eastern european state..... 2 wars and we might as well have not sacrificed our men and sons,.. because we have been invaded.... I blame he labour party, and milliband has said that it was their fault.... but its up to cameron, now too stop the bulgarians and romanians coming here.. there is going too be a uprising, if he does not do something
Dakota , Scotland, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 03:03 Good comment, I am not against immigration as much as so called multiculturalism. In the 50s and 60s we had many immigrants who came here, entered British society and learned the language and became British, they integrated and were accepted, eventually. Since then we have had Immigrants who were encouraged to bring their way of life with them, not asked to speak English and encouraged to live together in specific areas of towns and cities, they used to call them ghettos, now they are called cultural enclaves. Now that they have these areas they want to bring their own laws and systems of punishment with them. That is where we draw the line, this is Britain, British law applies stupid though it may be it is the law of the land if you dislike it leave.
We need more polish restaurants in UK , they serve tasty food. Really looking forward to bulgarian shops and restaurants when they start coming here in a year or two.
Travelled on a UK motorway recently? Particularly the M25, M1, or M3? Then you are no doubt aware of how many foreign nationals we have 'driving' over here. Not referring to the occasional rustbucket with foreign plates that you know would have failed a UK MOT about a decade ago, but the overwhelming number of motorists hogging lane 2, or pootling along in lane 3 - as if they were driving on the right, back home. The effect? Log-jams of cars stuck trying to overtake legally or risk undertaking illegally. The drivers? completely and utterly oblivious. About time the Highways Agency stopped the facile 'Don't drive whilst tired' (as if you could pull onto the hard shoulder for a nap) and start listing KEEP LEFT EXCEPT WHEN OVERTAKING in several languages. I'd suggest Polish, Romanian, Flemish, Punjabi and Urdu or a start.
Have you been to Murcia and Marbella recently? There are shops selling baked beans, English news-papers, sliced bread and vinegar crisps.....and when you walk in they greet you with good morning and not Buneos Diaz. And by the way I'm German. Moved to London in 1998. Set up my own company and pay lots of tax.
Tinderbox
No one is listening to our concerns. They have their own agenda and it is nothing to do with representing the views of the soon to be ethnic minority formerly known as the British people.
Please rename great britain. Uk tip
The only people who have benefited from uncontrolled EU immigration is bosses whose wage bills have decreased. As this article acknowledges, the Romanians and Bulgarians will work for less than the present immigrants, and drive wages down even more. The tax take will dip again, and the benefits bill will increase, as we pay benefits to the British, the current migrants, and the new migrants as they will also need benefits to make their pay up to a living wage. Many migrants live in a virtual commune to cut costs so they can send most of their money home, so it doesn't even benefit the local shops and economy. This is unsustainable and needs to be addressed by refusing any benefits unless you have worked and paid NICS for 5 years.
There are loads of places like this in Spain full of ignorant English people not bothering to integrate! not bothering to speak Spanish and being hostile to the indigenous population. We are so hypocritical.
"We found tolerant Britons............" Wow, that is no easy task.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown ruined England Blair with immigration and Brown financially the LIBLABCON will continue to do the same _ Vote UKIP
Come on. We're English. Sure, we will complain and think we have done enough it that, but we will still put up with it and vote in ConLieLib (not us) at the next election! The English, generally, are weak.
The story says it all and it is only the beginning of future unrest the mind boggles at what is around the corner thanks to LABOUR, the only way forward must be UKIP.
Half of country is already taken over by pooles and rest of half will be by Bulgaria & Romania. Shame on you david Cameron. Wherer will we brit go?
I once e-mailed The White House about the US sub-prime housing market and now get the odd e-mail back! Want to see what the Man who tells us to stay in the EU actually thinks? "Dear friends,Our immigration system is broken. It has been for some time. Right now, there are 11 million people living in a shadow economy. There are Americans waiting in long lines to reunite with their families. There are employers who are exploiting the system by hiring undocumented workers, and that threatens the wages and working conditions of American workers. None of this is good for the economy, and it isn¿t fair for the middle class. So President Obama is determined to fix this broken system so that everyone plays by the same rules, and we wanted to make sure you get the details. Here's what he wants to do:-- First, continue to improve the security on our borders;-- Second, crack down on the companies that hire undocumented workers;-- Third, provide undocumented immigrants the chance to - and so on!
Read the Guardian or the independent and they'll tell you all this is just a figment of your imagination and then call you a racist. There's a march in May against this. Everyone that doesn't agree with the Labour party's mass immigration policy should turn up.
"When are you people going to get on the streets and do something about this." @ Chris, Birmingham. .................. The thing is Chris, you are like the rest of us - just another toothless 'paper tiger'. The thing is - when are YOU "going to get on the streets and do something about this?" Give it a try Chris, get out there .... and see how many followers you get ( most of us sheep - will just watch you, because we don't really like to get involved). So, be brave - just do it yourself - or shut up.
They are EU migrants, so why the propaganda?
Cameron is finished and so are the Labour and Lib Dem creeps that have betrayed my country. There is trouble ahead.
If this was happening in France then the country would go on strike and protest. People protested against bankers and illegal wars. I have no problem with people wanting to move here and work and keep their money in the UK, but they should work for five years before receiving benefits. Either way, it's the size of the UK that's the problem. The infrastructure cannot cope. People need to take to the streets and make their feelings known.
But not one Shoe Polish shop.
I despise all our politicians from the three main parties for what they have done to our Country lets kick the lot out at the next election time for real change , our only chance is UKIP lets hope it's not to late.
once the tax take becomes less than the welfare budget which will be soon our politicians might , just might do something before the riots begin. But I won't hold my breathe.
Strange, tell me would these jobless have the initiative to travel to a non English speaking country,learn to language, set up shop and contribute to the economy?
And that's what's happening in Boston. So now imagine what the picture is elsewhere around the country. It's the same in Maidstone in Kent only they wash cars. The government has to wake up and change its policies on immigration and benefits. If they don't the tax paying Britons will revolt. Come on Cameron wake up ....
If you voted Labour, you voted for this, a third World Country, this is disgusting.
Italians, Irish, Jews, Poles and the rest went through exactly the same thing in New York. Once the bigots die off, everything will be fine.
Politicians ignore the will of people at their peril. We are tolerant as a nation but once at breaking point things will erupt faster quicker and with more force than any government can prepare for. History shows us the trigger points for revolution are already in play in this country, the question now is when not if. The parasite is in danger now of killing the host and only decline and chaos and revolution follow.
My husband and I have both been in employment for 20 years and have just lost our child benefit while people who only live here for 3 months and contribute absolutely nothing are entitled to it? They get it when the children aren't even residing in the UK? And the government have decimated my NHS pension in order to pay them. The G in GB now stands for Gullible
"Vile and disgusting "ROMANIAN SHOP" "POLISH FOOD" and the sub text written in their own languages, so much for integration, it's disgusting. Tiny, Bucks" I could show you the same thing in Spain where British bars and shops are the majority. These same British shops and bars are supplied by other British companies and they use British plumbers, electricians, builders, staff, cleaners etc As you say, so much for integration.
Large Latvian community -that's just made me laugh. 2 million people in the whole of Latvia, how big this community can be??
02/02/2013 03:16 Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops? Spain, Australia, United States, Canada, France. Fish and chips on every corner
I'm sick sick sick of it ALL not just them!!
There is some good news - things are set to definitely get worse..... much worse. This subject is perhaps the only one that ever fires up - even the sheep. You've always got to get those sheep voters angry and worried about losing cash - jobs - and handouts before anything much ever happens. And this ... should really do the trick.
It's no worse than the Costas in Spain. So the Brits can emigrate to a better life but the Eastern Europeans can't. Some people call that racism.
I think the worst thing that will happen is that they will be able to vote for their own country in the Eurovision song contest so there is absolutely no hope for the UK.
Poland is located in Central not Eastern Europe. It's an old stereotype from times of Iron Curtain, when were only Western Europe and East Europe existed - for instance in newspapers in UK. The problem is it ended 23 years ago ... Barracks of Red Army in Poland disappeared but negative stereotype of "Eastern Europe" in media in UK - didn't. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, contrary to many ignorants, weren't part of Soviet Union.
.. This artcle makes good reading with regards to the situation and conditions within Bostonia .. One thing the reporter failed to notice is the large number of unemployed immigrants who just sit around with cans of drink in their hands day in and day out. .. We had the explosion at the illigal vodka factory which killed 4/5 immigrants .. this was a well organised operation involving local people also .. then we had the pub outside of town full of cannabis again involving local people. We seem to have all the criminals in Bostonia from all of these Countries. Our smart arse Councillors seem to think that things are all hunky dory .. wake up and smell the coffee boy. For those people who think that the photo's in this artcle are fake, don't think your being fooled gentlemen they are true and life like. Having been a conservative voter the whole of my life is now leaving me no option but to vote UKIP next time. Come on Mr Nigel Farage there's room for you in Bostonia .. Right Now.
When are any government in Britain going stand up and bite the bullet and say enough is enough? Take care of our own not people who know and come here because we are a soft touch and hand out benefits to anyone that walks through our borders. Let them work and contribute for at least 5 years before giving them benefits here. I am shocked at the state of things here. Labour or Conservative government these issues must be addressed. The UK is in a big mess. The Politicians need to drive around our high streets & schools and see how they are being dragged down. There are so many issues to deal with cutting new immigrants benefits might deter new immigrants from coming. Diana. British through & through. Edgware what was Middlesex
There's no more money, there's no more jobs, and the British people have no more patience. Something has to give! If we keep taking more immigrants and keep paying more in welfare due to lack of jobs we will eventually end up like Greece. Collapsed and penniless thanks to an inept government
I find it a shame that to much immigration has ruined our once wonderful country.I worked down coal mines for most of my life and some of the best friends and people I ever worked with were Polish,they worked hard,paid their way and brought up good hardworking,law abiding families.The problem now is because the benefits system in the uk is to easy.I live in Spain and unless you work or have paid in to a pension you starve,no work,no benefits which is how it should be.The younger generation in the uk are no different ,they dont want work,just to live on benefits which the older generation have worked hard all their lives to pay for.
When is th government going to realise that enough is enough. I cannot wait until we have the EU referendum in 4 years time.
UKIP all the way lets close are borders... Cameron you are out in the next vote.
On the upside the food in the picture with the Harry Enfield Polish girl looks far healthier than the muck we feed ourselves.
It's looking like we're going to have to take to the streets by the millions , just to get these mp's to listen to us , I was wrong when I thought they worked for us , they just follow their own agenda .
My parents emigrated from Eastern Europe to the UK and raised me here from the age of 2 and they are very hard-working people who pay all tax, integrate with the British society, never once accepted anything from the state such as benefits (even after my baby brother was born, my parents simply said 'why get benefits if you already have that money? It's just being greedy and selfish' . I feel almost as if it's an attack on some Eastern European people, especially the ones who are doing well and not providing any harm. I do however agree with immigration being controlled and the benefits system etc being more tight. Immigrating to the UK simply provides a better life for Eastern European people. Roberta, Kent
Isn't it all awful. It's as if those farmers can't get British people to pick their veg for slave wages. What are we going to do?
I've said it before, the answer is simple all business should have a cap on how many foreign workers they employ! Only that way we will control how many want to settle in this country!
Our country has been known for overtaking control of entire countries ( the sun never sets on the British Empire), a taste of our own medicine. If they work, pay taxes and our government is smart it shouldn't be a problem. Keep up with the reality of time or move to Syria.
I heard a comment from a Bulgarian national the other day. He said that in his country the UK is known as "Treasure Island"........
If EU law is responsible for all these social benefits being available to immigrants to the UK, why does this not apply in any other country in Europe? No-one in Spain gets welfare benefits unless they have paid into the system over a number of years and free health care is certainly not offered to immigrants under retirement age. Whereas Britain offers free health care to all and sundry EXCEPT the Brits who paid into the system for years and then chose to live in another European country! Crazy world!
We are the laughing stock of Europe. Can you imagine moving to Romania, Poland or Latvia and getting the same benefits? Or for that matter being entitled to nice house etc? No, nor can I.
Country is a joke
And Mr WHATEVER did they claim benefit from the counties they moved to,??? No you blind idiot they didn't cuz no nation is as generous as this one by the grace of successive Govt,s.
You can go to any busy high street today and you will find more of the same. Our elitie masters will tell us there is no problem, but try getting social housing, into hospitals and good service, schools that are not overcrowded. But do our MPs care (of all persuasions) even Clegg will send his children to private schools. Liebour and Limp dems will not even allow us a vote as they know best. You cannot trust the Tories anymore on this as they too have lied. So unless you are going to support a party that can and will stop all this then moaning is no good. UKIP is who I will vote for next time.
I'd be happy to have a Baltic shop in my town if it sold the excellent drop called 'Vana Tallinn'
Something has to change....now! I am paying for their lives and I didn't sign up to that!
All very well the police having ANPR cameras everywhere but what about the thousands of old bangers these people bring across with number plates that don't make any sense to us. How many are insured?????????
Look on the brightside, they won't listen to the people but they might listen to the the immagrents.After all they have much more rights.Their culture is'nt being watered down, they just bring it with them. I lived in France for nearly twenty years and you got nothing for nothing, you had to pay your taxes and for your health care. You jumped through hoops to even work there. The french have the right idea and put in all into motion in 1992. They just channell them all over to us. The stuped British.
What's the point?Most of eastern- european people work hard, pay taxes don't cause any toubles.I've spent five years in Britain and never visited a GP.
The Latvian woman who has ten children on the benefits system,we had two because that is all we could afford as British working people. I want my country back and its obvious I'm not the only one,why can we not get together and show our anger at what is happening. Why are we letting this happen,surely there is something that can be done. If we do nothing we are going to have nothing left and it's going to boil over eventually.
You have so much diversity in Britain, stop complaining!
First of all lay the "blame" where it lies...Tony Blair Second, remember where it lies when you vote next time, Third, stop benefits all together and get lazy British people out to work. This country is now back to it's sick and lazy ways pre Thatcher and needs to be sorted.
Will a Tory government act to protect the jobs of Poles and Latvians where the Labour government failed to act to protect the jobs of British workers? I wonder.
Is anybody from the government going to do anything about this?
Part of the blame HAS to lie with the indigenous local unemployed. I have collected while I was driving for a lorry firm, from the vegetable producers in the fens. The local youths WILL NOT work in the fields doing a hard days work, because they see it as below their standard of employment and you are bent over virtually all the time lifting food from the ground. If they won't take those jobs and to prevent the farm producers from going out of business, who can they employ that will actually do the jobs? You got it!! The very people you are all complaining about! YOU WANT THE CHEAP FRESH FOOD, 24/7 THEN EITHER DO THE JOBS THAT ARE ON OFFER, OR STOP COMPLAINING AND ACCEPT THE FOREIGNERS ARE GOING TO DO IT!! Simple
They talk too loudly in their foreign voices ? Did I read that correctly ? Unbeleivable.
Come to Spain and see exactly the same with British immigrants. Their own shops, restaurants, TV stations and radio...Newspapers as well all in English as most of them make no effort to integrate or learn Spanish. Certain towns such as San Fulgencio Alicante have a population of 70% British.....I struggle to think of a town in the UK with that percentage of Polish for example. You cant expect to have it just one way.
Over-immigration. The product of bubble-living lefty fashionistas, opposed for years by visionaries - not swivel-eyed madmen, and suffered by ordinary people in our stupid country.
Why doesn't the DM post pictures of the Algarve or southern Spain with all the english pubs, shops and service providers there as well? Fed up with this disgusting British sense of self-righteousness. Always wanting the right to move everywhere but don't want anyone coming in. The worst thing is that they all think they actually improve places when they move oversea. Stupid island mentality.
It's typical of the British to post on forums and write in newspapers but they are totally the wrong people to contact.
I find it really strange that EU nationals can claim benefits so easily, not having "paid in" to the system first. As an Aussie who has lived here and paid taxes for years and years, I can't claim anything. I don't want a hand out either but find it strange that the country I've emigrated from makes such a difference to how in viewed/treated in regards to this - esp when tax rates i pay here are so high. I love my adopted country but I feel like I'm working to bankroll others less motivated to contribute to making Britain great and that is one of the main reasons I have decided to leave
Why oh why has it come to this?! What has happened to England? I have been away for 5 years working, only came back for holidays, now back permanently. Where did all these immigrants come from? Everyone I work with now are Polish, Romanian, Latvian & hey I've forgotten wherever else but not British. I think I'm the foreigner here now!
I don't believe it's "where" they come from but the "amount". Britain is getting smaller, it's getting claustrophobic... and that's one of the reasons I left to live in Norway.
Nothing wrong with people coming here who want to work, the British people don't seem to want to do some of the jobs the poles are doing, but are quick to moan about them, it's no different from the 50s when the blacks came, people were moaning then. As for benefits lots of Brits who claim have never paid a penny in tax.
Lets get this straight Mary Beard was roundly rebuffed by Rachel Bull.. Mary Beard, referring to a report she had read, rather condescendingly insisted that there was no impact on health and social services at all due to the influx of migrants to Boston. Rachel Bull told her how it was in reality.
I wish the immigration policies were also relaxed for Indians and those from South Asia. We really feel left out.
The more you vote for the big three,Labour-Libral-Conservative, the more immigration will apply labour let in 7.5 million in 13 years, conservative let in 800,000 in two and a half years.Miliband has said only two weeks ago if the labour party get in agin in 2015 the open door policy will continue, Ed Balls has said it does not bother him if the population rises to 90 million. There you have it ,vote labour no Referendum, no stopping immigration , Libral are the same. Cameron was thinking of stopping it but could not ,your only solution is to get out of Europe , cameron promised usa vote on this in 5 years time to late our country will have millions more immigrants by then.Only UKIP have promised to stop all immigration includes Europeans, they will do it because first thing they will do is pull out of Europe. If you value our way of life and jobs for your kids , we need to get away from the big three and vote UKIP.
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever... , whereever..., 02/2/2013 03:16 I think you may have one legitimate example of coastal Spain , where the British retire, sell up and take their money *TO* Spain to end their days in the sun and don't send it home to feed granny and the baby that's been left behind. Let us also make the distinction between heaving metropolitan cities and small rural provincial towns, and remind yourself that what has happened to Boston is happening across the entire nation as we've had 4 million ( so much more then) migrants over 10 years with many more to come. Engage your brain and don't be so facile and ignorant.l
I bet their isnt one politician living in that part of the country. They wouldnt allow that on their own doorstep. Im so sick of all this. my vote WILL go to UKIP
I have no dispute them being here in the UK if they are self supporting and have health insurance. I lived in NZ for many years any my partner is kiwi, so its a wonderful opportunity to work abroad. HOWEVER, they should not be entitled to benefits or healthcare. Unless Cameron can sort that out, i will be voting to get out of Europe.
Oh, I dunno, come to SE London. As I frequently say to my husband 'It's like being abroad but without the weather'! I've even started speaking in foreign tongue myself when I'm out & about so as to fit in....!!!
There is a big difference between immigrants who come here to work hard and improve their lives, whilst providing a service for the country and those who come here to try and sponge off the state. Last week I went to the supermarket very early in the morning and virtually all the self stackers were Polish. That alone tells you they generally have a better work ethic than lot of unemployed lazy British people.
Yes, it's disgusting that they have the shop names also written in their own languages, I'm mean it's not like you'll find shops or restaurants doing this sort of thing with English in Europe is it? Seriously, some of you are a joke, you better pull your socks up and learn to cope.
I'd sooner the Poles stayed and UKIP went.
At least Eastern Europeans don't shop at Tescos and Asda, and it gives the British a chance to buy decent food on their own high street again.
The government do not care about the British people they only care how they are seen outside the uk. It's dispicable! Ever since I have been able to vote in 1977 I have voted Tory but if they don't do something about immigration soon I will have to vote for a party that will at the next election
Hate it and leave it, Britisher pals. Jack, Japan Alps
"Its great being in the EU innit ? Well that's what Cameron tells us. Well its no good just whinging on about it, because this new lot will come on in with the full blessing of your scummy MPs You have to confront these spineless rats head on to take action You have eleven months left and counting. 10 9 8 7 6 etc then BINGO." - Steve P, Pattaya, Thailand That's rich! How do you think the Thais feel about the influx of Brits and Russians taking over their towns and villages?
You know things are really bad when even Polish immigrants worry about Romanians coming here.
I absoloutly love the influx of Polish, Lithuanian & Latvian immigrants. They are hard working people, who are warm and friendly generally. I love seeing different types of shops. I grew up in Wembley and most of the shops there are from different cultures and it was great. I love having friends from all over the world and experiencing different food and ways of living. The uk is a right old Heinz 57, way back my family were immigrants and I'm pretty sure most of yours are too, even the most ardent of you English! Lets sort out those who come here just to take our benefits, not the many hard working migrants just trying to get on with their lives.
So, let me get this straight, the local services have been able to cope, the local school, there was no increase in crime rate, peoples have been opening up business in town. I just don't understand then, what is this breaking point that everyone is talking about? And for what I understand, this is a town with a very high rate of immigration
leave the EU and the get rid, we are to small to handle anymore, it's depressing
So what's wrong with that?Most of eastern- european people work hard, pay taxes and don't make any troubles. I've spent five years in Britain and never visited a GP. Pawel Warsaw
Bill Cosby has put it into words - "I'm 83 and Tired" - 'I'm 83. Except for brief period in the 50's when I was doing my National Service, I've worked hard since I was 17. Except for some some serioushealth challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I'm tired. Very tired. I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will takethe money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it. '
The problem is not people's origin,its the fact we can't cope with another massive influx,we a too small a country and are too over stretched.
It's really easy to sort,stop letting people in!
It's time for us to accept Britain's multiculturalism and move on. I agree there should be no more allowed to enter the country but I feel that we're banging our head against a brick wall - the government aren't listening and if you or I were from an impoverished country would we not want to do the same. We shouldn't blame the immigrants, the blame should be placed squarely at the feet of the politicians who have made us the laughing stock of the EU.
you voted those Government psychos is now deal with it, unless you have a revolution, those under cutting back door Europeans will continue to rob your country of it's worth, just like Sweden
Dear DM, you are writing same story over and over again, boring!!! Poles do this, poles do that, second language in the UK is polish! Haven't u got nothing else to write about? If not Kardishans then Poles! Gosh ENOUGH!!!
Genuine immigrants had to wait a long time but now with this European Union Law (which supposed to make europe safer) we are heading for a social disaster!
I was in Tenerife recently and had to struggle to find a genuine tapas restaruant. All I saw were pubs like "The Dubliners", "Rose & Crown", "Irish Rover" etc etc. British breakfasts were being served everywhere and even British shops lined the streets. So what´s the difference?
Print this article out and send it to Dave 10 Downing St London SW1. If we all did it this weekend he would have to listen. Have the balls of Rachael Bull and we will get somewhere. I have no issue with these people just looking for work. Ones I have met are very nice. They are well mannered. They have gorges looking girls and they are not work shy, but we have to stop this now and say "THE GUEST HOUSE IS FULL DAVE"
Hi all. I am really sorry but I can believe what is said about bulgarians. First this is offensive and second - totally untrue. I really cant realize what threat the government feels especially from the bulgarians. Yes, of course I cant neglect the fact that in a todays economic crisis every country tries to protect its working places, but where is then the same policy against polish people for example. I really can understand - an award for allowig Poles to work in the UK and public and media attack against bulgarian? - sorry its not right and mostly not deserved...Best, Mariela Spasova
Am I missing something? Latvians and Poles are worried about an influx of Bulgarians and Romanians taking over Boston, Boston is in England, isn't it? So what about the English? I'm confused..........Do I still live in England - or is Britain now a kind of Blairish/Big Bazooka EUROSTAN? Please advise.....! !
UKIP here I come
Foreigners of ANY nationality who come to live in this country, should have to work, and pay into the system, for at least 5yrs. Until 5yrs continuous employment is reached. no benefits, no child allowance, no free health care, no free education. This should include both males and females, They should also have to learn the English language within a set period. All payments from benefits that are paid to children who have returned to their home country should stop. I personaly know a lady from latvia who came here, she did work for 2 yrs, had a baby, went back, with child allowance, shes back here, pregnant again. She intends to return to latvia when the baby is born.
This articul is nothing more but propaganda
In Wrexham North Wales people are being reported to the police by Poles for speaking Welsh and told to speak English and given fines - it's time we fought back!
I visited Spalding (similar to Boston with immigrants) - a Polish hairdressers had a large notice in the window written in Polish (no English translation) it looked like a job vacancy - what does that tell us? They don't want English people working for/with them but if we ask for English people only on a job description - it is illegal!!! One sided every time and in favour of anyone but the indigenous population
The council accepts it does not know the nationalities of those to whom it gives benefits such as housing and council tax support. ====== so the council doesn't know the nationality but in consensus forms it NEEDS to know your sexual preferences..... shows what's really important these days.....
No matter who your vote will go to. It's too late. It's like many contracts signed by the current and previous governments that lasts many years. Even if you vote UKIP, what could they do when they got into power? - Dishonour those contracts? and fight against those lazy LibLabCon ministers or become like them as well? I also found that the British citizens likes to moan but do nothing. If you disagree with your government, why don't you all take it to the street or run public campaign and call for it to be changed.
a Nation is its people successive Governments have treated the British as if they own us and behaved like dictators and now the Britain we knew and loved is dying, all that our ancestors fought for and worked to create is being taken apart and replaced by a sort of anywhere land, i cry inside for my country i once knew.
The EU has a lot to answer for and the benefits well where still waiting.
Need to get out of the EU ASAP
Where are all these locals that have started to call West Street 'East Street'? I've never heard it and I'm in town most days. How many residents go into the Eastern European shops and cafes? If you show an interest the owners like chatting about them and their culture. This is he 21st century. Times and the world move on. We need to move with it
Actually Polish and Latvian bakeries sell about the only real bread in Britain.
David Cameron is going to have a revolution on his hands if immigration carries on like this.
I think immigrants for the country if they wish to find a job and integrate and contribute to the local community. Like my parents did when they came from Bangladesh. And me and my siblings went to uni and are in respectable professions. However it is wrong to allow people in who just wish to exploit the welfare state and make no contribution. Although even majority of the recepients of the British welfare state are not deserving so perhaps we should just remove the benefit system out of the UK.
As long as intellects with stats hold more water than living proof, no goverment will do anything. This will not stop as this country relies too much on the financial sector. Jobs/benefits= GDP in their eyes
What we have got, we have to make the best of it, for everybody concerned. But we must punish the LIBLABCONS for what they have done this country. Voting UKIP is the only way forward. Never allow the LIBLABCONS to run this country again.
Ukip
Nothing and I mean NOTHING will be done about this. The UK is part of the EU. One of the basic tenets of the EU is the free movement of goods and people. The UK signed up for this so we cannot break one of the fundamental rules we live under. No good asking idiot politicians to do something because they can't. Government ministers could not care less about the local people of Boston because they will never set foot in the place and they are powerless to stop it. Witness the pathetic attempt by the Government to try and dissuade tens of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians from coming here by advertising that it's wet and cold here. If that scenario was in a comedy film you'd laugh but it is true. So to the people of Boston I'd say you are stuck with it and it will get worse next year. It's no good voting UKIP because they'll do nothing about it either.
It is not just a British problem, it is a European problem. As an example, having re-visited regions in Amsterdam and in Brussels where I used to live, they are totally dominated by Turkish and Moroccan respectively, therefore, we can blame Labour and the Tories, but the real problem lies with the European Parliament who, incidentally, removed national border controls and introduced the Shengen Agreement within Europe, thus leading to the ease of movement of illegal immigrants, With regard to Polish, Latvian etc.., they are not doing anything illegal but they have been given the opportunity to move here by THE European Parliament. We cannot, or should not, leave the EU, however, the PM's of all national countries (Germany, France, UK etc..) should work together to restrict the powers of the European Parliament AND the European Court of Human Rights, most of whom are NOT even elected.
Polish immigration believe it or not could save this country from a third world takeover which is never mentioned for fear of being called racist . Most poles have exactly the same virtues that most British people of all races have,they want to improve their lives for themselves and their families by working hard. I see them all the time doing backbreaking work in the fields ,jobs that most of our youth would never do . Churches are seeing an increase in congregations because of them Polish people could become the new political scapegoats for our fears on immigration even though are just what we need .
As some suggested, the public should wake up and vote the present party out of power.
¿It¿s simply crazy that people can come to this country and start claiming benefits. You should have to work for at least five years before you start taking anything. If an immigrant says that then you know something is drastically wrong. The government of Britain is a joke and always will be. I feel ashamed and embarrassed to call myself a British national.
No wonder Tony Blair received an award from Poland. He did far more for Poland and many other Eastern European communities than he ever did for the British people who elected him! His Government changed the face of Britain for the worse when they allowed towns like Boston to be turned into nothing more than European enclaves and where British families, born and bred, now feel alienated. How is that anything but a slap in the face for his electorate? I don't see anything positive at all about unfettered immigration, but with the expected influx from Romania and Bulgaria, I fear things will only get worse.
I'd love to live in this beautiful thriving town, not an empty shop and hard working immigrants, wish the rest of the UK was like this and had the same work ethic, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.
Many defenders of mass immigration insist that the majority of those who have come over are not spongers and are hard working etc. However, it isn't simply an issue of whether these people are economic migrants or not, but the simple FACT that we cannot provide enough houses, jobs, education and health facilities for those we already have (irrespective of race), let alone further numbers. The three main parties should hang their heads in shame and if anyone in the UK cares about saving what's left of this country, vote UKIP, please!
"The Department for Work and Pensions says that, under the previous government, there was no attempt to record the nationality of people receiving benefits, and that it is only starting to catch up." Since becoming unemployed just about every bit of paper that I have had to fill out has asked me my ethnicity. They know how many of them are here officially but better to blame the previous government for not keeping records and then doing the same eh?
I left the UK in the 70's as I could see the writing on the wall. Not only has the UK become a laughing stock in other nations for allowing in every Tom Dick & Harry, the majority of whom add no value, but the quality of facilities & services are truly third world in many aspects.
Lets setup a petition say no to Romania and Bulgaria before its to late wake up Britain people
What's the problem? These are hardworking people, making a decent life for themselves, so how is this different to Brits who move abroad?
Grantham is a place to get out of as quick as you can, when you are in you can not get out! It's time it was there was a bypass. Boston is not a place to drive into, get the roads fixed.
They make everything look so cheap!
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home. - whatever..., whereever..., 02/02/2013 03:16 Get a grip......show me one town in Europe with such a high percentage of British occupants/shops?
Bring on the referendum to leave the EU. We should not be giving benefits and housing to immigrants who have been here 5 minutes. They should have to work and pay tax and national insurance for 5 years before being eligible to claim. Also, should be made to learn English in order to stay here.
- Dakota , Scotland, United Kingdom, 02/2/2013 03:03 - you idiot! "never once bludged off the state" so they didn't get child tax credits, schooling, healthcare and the list goes on! Who do you think provided that?? Yes, you fool, THE STATE!
The longer the politicians ignore this, the greater the chance of the rise of the far right in this once great Country...
From what I see the people from Eastern Europe work hard and generally claim little. It's the ones that come from places further afield that cause us grief. We just have an open border policy and we have no idea who's living here anymore. Surprising considering we are an island!!!
This is a political hand grenade lobbed right into the mid term of a Tory administration by New Labour - perfectly timed. The fallout will be the annihilation of the Conservatives as their vote is split with UKIP at the next election. Labour will be returned to office, their vote reinforced by the support of immigrants of the Blair era. Why else did Tony get his Polish medal last week- a clear instruction to UK Poles to Vote Labour. So for the first time a British Government will be in office on the votes of foreigners. The rest of us will be effectively disenfranchised. Extreme maybe but not impossible.
People of UK , for gods sake do something, because we're next. (the C'wealth) . Take Oz , for example - no ordinary person can afford a home, for the first time in 200 yrs. Cashed up foreigners are collecting them. Medical/health worsening becoming unaffordable. Foreign workers preferred, for docility, and trucked across state borders to take construction jobs from aussie tradies. Aussie kids being squeezed out of decent degrees. Whole suburbs looking/sounding like a foreign city. Our green spaces going. 70% of us HATE it. If you do not come up with a model for change, we may be finito as well. I'm spearheading a task force to get a Perm Residency visa for Nigel Farage. We need him urgently.
Blair opened the floodgates and it's about to get far worse. I never imagined in my lifetime I;d see hard working Britains marginalised in our own country with our taxes supporting Eastern Europe. we're the only country I can think of where we're not allowed to be patriotic for fear of being accused of racism. All our traditions are being erroded in favour of Muslims etc. Children are growing up with no idea of what made Britain great and no pride in their country. Hard working immigrants who have lived here for years totally agree with me. I will be voting UKIP in the hope of closing our borders and retaining what's left of our laws and traditions. I don't trust Cameron, he promised a referendum before remember. I can't believe we've sunk so low.
As long as the Daily Mail supports the status quo in politics and the continuation of the Lib/Lab/Con monopoly then nothing will chnage and dont forget that in 2014 it wil get worse as 29 million Bulgars and Rumanians wil be allowed free access to the UK The Mail simply puts its head in the sand because as long as we remain in the EU and the Cameron/Miliband/Clegg clique run this country we cannot stop immigration from the EU. The Mail needs to back UKIP who can bring order and sensibility to immigration
This is what you voted for folks... deal with it.
never mind this place. all the english have had more than enough
OH the Irony of it , A latvian women worried about loseing her job to Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants, did she think about that when she came over to the UK.
What is so unbelievable is that the politicians are in denial about the problem..
I worked in Boston and its terrible, the immigrants don't integrate or learn the language, they would come in with there mobile phones with a translator on it and grunt "I want"
I'd rather work beside an Eastern European than some of the couldn't care less Brits we employ. In my view they have a fantastic work ethic and are mostly very grateful to be here.
Hardman writes ..."But in 2004 Britain opened it´s doors to the new round of member nations,while critically ,not implementing the labour restrictions imposed by other countries, including France and Germany,".....so,were, the UK Government asleep then,or what?.The EU has faults, but Britain makes alot of it´s own mess all by it´self.
A fitting song tribute for this story would be "This town ain't big enough for the both of us" by Sparks, but in this case it should be "This country isn't big enough for all those coming in from the EU" it seems.
The electorate has the power to condemn the architects of this arrogant betrayal eg Bliar and his left wing clowns to the dustbin (where they should be)for a long time, or preferably for ever. If anyone needs a reminder of left wing spite before they put the X at the ballots, this is a perfect one.
UKIP should be on every bodies priority first of all. Its not easy for people to come into the UK out of europe or eastern europe. The requirements have become nearly impossible but for europe it has become easier. There has to be limits to how many people a tiny Island can hold and I would say due to our farming methods and our garbage disposal methods, we are highly over populated.
The Polish and other European countries made up a huge amount of our RAF in the second world war.... We didn't whinge then, when they were dying to save our island..... They are hard workers paying taxes. The problems we have are with UK jobless layabout scroungers.... Free legal aid, soft justice, tax cheats and thieving politicians.....
We should share our great isle with as many as wish to come here - definitely lots of space for additional migrant workers where I come from come One, come all
So the most recent group of immigrants are now turning on the potential next lot? We, of course, wanted none of them but get no say whatsoever - we're just made to go on paying into systems built up out of our taxes and now handed on a plate to people who've made and intend to make little or in many cases no contribution.Any money half of them get is shipped striaght back to where they came from, as it is by many members of earlier immigrant groups. How many millions do you think are going out legallyu in this wway? And how many more milions illegally?.
Didn't the Polish come here and take jobs from the brits, now there worried someone will take their's.
Actual shop's open in the high street that are not charity shops. Love to have some Latvian shops in our high street.
If these pictures are genuine it's an absolute tragedy. To turn an English market town into such an eyesore is so so upsetting.
I despise the liberal elite who enforce this false doctrine of multiculturalism. Our own culture is being eroded day by day.
Its quite simply, the eu is trying to turn Great Britain into another slave as they did with Greece, there idea is to flood the labour markets with cheap immigrant labour, and put the rest those they can not find work on benefits ,none who have paid a penny into it. And when we are bankrupt they will offer to help get us back on our feet, by changing our currency to the euro and installing a austerity program in place with there own chosen politicians. How evil is that. That is of course if you let them, why should we wait till 2017 for a referendum
When all the Europeans have moved to the UK we can all move to Europe. It's going to take us a lot longer to screw up Europe than it took us to screw up Britain. Maybe not ,we have had plenty of practice at screwing up a country and experience counts. Don't blame the Poles, or any other legal migrants, they are not breaking any laws and if they can do better here they will come.Britain agreed to all this and now people are doing what is best for them. The migrants are being rational.I'm not so sure about us.
The Polish lost more fighter pilots in the battle of Britian and fought like tigers shoulder to shoulder with us, Funny how you dont hear people moaning about Chinese take-aways on every corner in every village, town and city ...
Polish people eventually integrate completely into British society. They are hard-working and Christians. One day we will thank God for all of them.
Sorry, I must be mistaken, I'm sure the caption under that last photo said Tony Blair received an award from Warsaw for allowing so many Polish into the country...ridiculous A few good points were made in this article though. One being that the Eastern Europeans do have a better work ethic than many of our youngsters. Many of our youngsters seem to think fame and fortune will fall into their lap so they don't need to do thing like work in factories
Latvian grocer Sanda Klavcane is terrified she'll lose her job to Bulgarians and Albanians - now she knows how we feel.
The Conservatives haven't fixed it so far and seem to have no plans to do it in the future. Labour brought this upon us now. Please don't vote either of these parties in next time. Look at UKIP!
I hate this country! Their is no help for genuine actual British people.
Unless the immigrants already here integrate and speak only English, in other words become British as those who came after the war we will see trouble in the near future. The politicians fail to realise that we have national tendencies in every country and there will come a time where people lose patience and tolerance. I think that time is not too far away and fear that when there is a reaction it will make the Irish troubles seem like playground squabbles. Just a pity Mr Cameron and other politicians don't read these observations.
OMG Tony Blair looks so old!!!
Everyone talks about immigration where I am from. Nobody wants anymore immigrants! They are destroying our working class.
We need to take control of our country. I dont know what is worse, the influx of the europeans or the politicians running our country. Shame we all cant get together and do something about our country because the government ain't listening.
Where are the stories of the hundreds of thousand Brits leaving the U.K. each year and setting up mini British communities overseas? We are doing exactly the same thing as Eastern Europeans coming here. Some French and Spanish towns have been completely taken over by us!
Well, Grantham is just the same...I am fed up with walking along the High Street and not hearing a single English voice. The country will implode soon. Then what?
Tim in Bucks - presume you never go to an "English pub" or "Irish bar" when you're abroad? And you'd deny that any similar shops exist to service the expat British in Spain?
This country will never learn
Where do all our MPs come from planet zombie? Roll on the revolution.
Its not just Boston. I live in a southern seaside town which is crowded with eastern europeans. Walking through the shops and supermarkets you only hear foreign languages and the Councils have agreed to build more and more new "affordable" and social housing (guess who for) and new retail parks to attract the big PLCs. Leaving the E.U. closing the borders, and look after ourselves would be a good move.
think were sort of missing something here , Boston has its problems , but for the most part the Eastern Europeans who come here as families are pleasant hardworking law abiding citizens , the problems come from the vast amount of single male fieldworkers , who work hard and drink hard , have no grasp of drink driving laws or other motoring offences . The issue is government underfunding for local services , the town is at breaking point and any resolution of the problems is strangled by political correctness. Its a fact that the Eastern Europeans will not take kindly to the next wave of incomers , they arent politically correct and are far more right wing than native Bostonians
It is unbelievable the damage and destruction that one man, Tony Blair, has wrecked on this country.
I have lived in Romania for over 10 years and I can tell you now that the place will be empty at the beginning of 2014, irrespective of what the politicians tell you.
Time for UKIP to try and salvage this once proud nation.
I got lost in Boston about ten years ago. Driving through claustrophobic streets made up of endless dull and dreary rows of terraced houses, 'handsome old market town' was the last description that came to mind. I found it one of the most depressing and hopeless looking places in the UK I have ever had the misfortune to set eyes upon. Having a few Polish type grocers and restaurants can only liven the place up. On the whole, I have no issues with Polish people coming to live and work here. They are hard-working people with the get up and go so many Britains lack in wanting to get up from their backsides and improve their lives. We could do with following their example.
The town I live in here in Germany has two shops specialising in just British and American food. This food can also be obtained in departments stores and in the Indian shops near the main station. It's not all a one-way street.
I'm absolutely sick and tired of what's happening in this Country.. Worked all my life and don't expect anything for free. God help us!!
we stopped visiting boston(we live in skegness) because its become too intimidating, when people are talking loudly in a language you dont understand, as a woman im too frightened to risk walking alone through the streets. Got to say Skeggys getting as bad though.
The only controversy here is the loose way in which benefits are distributed in the UK. The immigrants are providing a low cost and flexible pool of labour. Also shop keepers in high streets otherwise blitzed by the major supermarket chains. There is nothing wrong with hard work and enterprise.
Voting UKIP next time. I use to live there are it was a really nice town....now ruined !!!
This is terrible, I'm skilled, fit, young and trying like hell to get work and wherever I look, someone that "wants a better lifestyle" has moved into every vacancy. WE British need jobs, we don't have a home somewhere else.
No wonder the UK is a laughing stock & a third rate Country you have bought it on yourself.
i used to work in reception for a engineering company. the owner (a complete muppet) sacked 30 clients who had worked there years all skilled and qualified as he said there wasnt enough work, 3 months later we had 15 polish angency workers doing 5/6 days at 12/14 hours. they got paid less, didnt gdt paid overtime or holidays! wonder why he picked them?? 30 good hard workers sacked because they cost more! disgraceful.
Time for the people to protest It is UKIP for me
Whats happen to good old Britain. To be honest I don't like to shop there any more as the are NO English people serving. I miss the always good English way, the Hello how are you. lucky now days if people understand what I ask for. What a shame for such a great and friendly country.
World economy where immigration is the new normal. Most first world countries need immigrants, why so racist?
Ed Miliband say that we should celebrate this! I won't be celebrating I will be pointing my finger directly at the Labour Party and denouncing them for destroying people lives.
So crazy we so soft our politicians so immoral and corrupt just like the leaders of industry Tesco ran a scheme when the borders opened and recruited vast numbers of poles to come and work here they even dismissed staff to accommodate them Once here they worked out the system reduced their hours and claimed benefits Don't know why we didn't limit the labour market like France and Germany Only way is UKIP These migrants have ruined our country saddened that our children have to be raised here and our elders have to retire with these people invading their country 40,000 child benefit claims and they not even here why? Why not give the money to the pensioners? Cameron is a joke he won't pull out of the eu ukip is the only way
Get voting UKIP now
It was down to, mainly Scottish, NuLab, so let them all go to live in Scotland.
So - only 1200 jobless (by the looks of the queue outside the Job Centre they're all indigenous Brits), a town with no empty shops, and *still* people whinge?
Aren't you tired of all the empty rhetoric and false commiseration of the vacuous, morally and ethically deficient politicians who are subservient to the demigods in Brussels. Don't you realise they just do not care. Don't you realise they use the newspaper media, the TV news media as conduits to control your fervor. It is time to wake up! It has never been known for a Democratic society to be as psychologically controlled and consciously comatose as that of England and Britain as a whole. This is the total dismantling of all we have known as a culture.
I wonder if this is how the Spaniards feel when they see their towns deluged with English Bars and Irish Pubs?
Maybe we will understand how the Spanish felt when they were invaded by British and others over the past 50 years. The Costas filled with English bars, English Fish & Chips, Chinese Take Aways etc etc resulting, in some areas, with over 50% of the population being non Spanish. Now its our turn. Its got to stop. Remember over half a million Polish have moved here over the past few years. This Government will do NOTHING. Next time vote for a Government that will put the U.K. first.and thats going to be difficult. Leave the E.U. and close the borders and look after ourselves, because no one else will
These shops are springing up everywhere, very worrying.
Be careful before voicing opinions on this article. I wrote a comment on the article the other day about Polish being the UK's second language and apparently there were complaints despite my comment simply stating I preferred the sound of French, Italian and Spanish over Polish. There are some very sensitive people out there. Gosh, the number of occasions I was given a hard time in the UK because of my Aussie accent... I wouldn't have lasted ten years there if I was that easily offended.
We are doomed at the end of the day an this what we vote for. Shame on us all. Keep this country from the politicians end of or we are a extinct race.Sorry but true!!!
Firstly,I read somewhere that 25% of migrants are now on benefits which is a cheery heartwarming thought for every hard working taxpayer.Secondly.....Tory party.....you are finished.
Years ago in Slough,when the Polish intake was at it's peak an Indian gentleman moaned to me about the number of white immigrants coming to Britain.True story.
God how the hell is Cameron LETTING THIS HAPPEN????! thought he didnt like the fact that Labour opened the gates and let this country get flooded. So why hasnt he done anything to stop it?!
Don't hold your breath, after 1, 1, 14 all towns will look like this. Thanks Tony!
Actually not everyone can come to Britain and claim benefits. We worked in the UK for two years and when my husband and I were retrenched (to make way for cheaper Europeans) we were told we weren't eligible for anything. So, in spite of the UK being our native country and loving it, we made the heartbreaking decision that we had to return to Oz. Still miss the UK but ...............................
On the plus side, my cars never looked so clean.
By law we must label in kilo's now, not pounds and ounces. Surely the same should apply to language.If this was to continue, in 10 years or less, we would see foreign languages everywhere.
I couldn`t blame anyone for wanting to come to this wonderful country. Britain is such a fantastic place to live. Only when you have lived in other over-hyped parts of the world do you really appreciate how truly blessed we are to be here.
go australia.....
PLEASE VOTE UKIP!
It's getting that bad we are considering changing the name to LlVERPOLAND.
The politicians put their own agenda before the interests of the country and please dont tell me that Labour supports the working class because they have allowed this to happen. The Left including Prof Beard says there is no problem with immigration, they will also have no problem with the English becoming a minority within their own country. Vote UKIP, its the last chance
These immigrants are serious and hard working people !!!!!! Well done for them and bet they sell healthy non fast food dishes !!!!! Brits should try them too as they're NOT fattening.
From the pictures, it appears that the immigrants have come here, and ..... opened up businesses. Perhaps the indiginous population are complaining because they think the world owes them a living.
Nobody is listening. This is also why the UK will never be able to leave the EU. If you leave the in/out vote long enough, there wont be enough British left to make a majority...
UKIP if you want to.
All those Eastern European delicatessens look like paradise to me. Here in Australia most of the lovely shops like these have have been killed off by the supermarkets. If immigration causes problems, and I can't see any in this case, it lies with the British government not the EU. Labour restrictions are imposed in other EU countries so why doesn't the government emulate what they do in Germany and France if it really is that much of a problem instead of whinging and blaming everything on "Europe"? It is also worth remembering that some of the most prosperous countries in the world like the United States, Israel and Australia owe much of their wealth ( economically and culturally) to the hard work of immigrants and not solely on the indigenous population.
Both my parents came to the U.K after the Second World War mum Italian, dad Ukraine they had 5 children, My dad worked hard all his life until he retired and never once did he claim benefit for us whether he could have done so I have no idea, his understanding of English was poor but he got by. I am now 54 , both my parents have died. But I can remember back them a chap used to come round in his van every week that sold food from my dads' native country, but he was not Ukraine he was Polish would you believe, I can remember one of us kids would shout Dad the Polish van is here not the Polish man, because if I told you that Dad did not actually like Polish people for his own reasons, he did mention something about what happened during the war but sadly I never asked why. But all he was bothered about he could get his Polish bread , he honestly thought it was sent over from Poland but I guess it was baked over here. Perhaps it is the Polish man with the van that has started all this.
Is the problem so much immigration or is it the welfare system? There are certainly a number of issues all around, but the fact that Britain effectively pays people handsomely to come and not work is far and away the most serious one.
Seems the blame lies with the voter. In the future only vote for the party who will represent your views and don't stick to your traditional bias often passed down through families. Also make sure your MP is well aware of your views, without being offensive write to them and tell them... Now there is an idea. Rather than write a message here and giving me a red arrow for blaming you, write that letter to your mp instead.
Don't understand the hate. Surely these people create demand as well for the local economy. They buy food, pay rent, use transport, pay for entertainment, and all of that includes paying taxes (VAT) as well.
I love Boston, and it's an even better place now than it was 10 years ago. This article is nonsense; it perpetuates the old myths. There is no "leader" of the Latvian community. Wage levels did not go down. The economy of the town would collapse with our fellow Europeans
It is a beautifully written article. Nice to know Boston is now a Polish town. This will revatalise the enlarge market opportunities for residents, regardless of their ethnic origin.
I can hear it now the NHS is understaffed and we don't have enough mid-wives - well no wonder! The Politicians of all party's but mostly Labour and the LibDem have their heads buried in the sand and are building up one almighty backlash when it comes. The thought of a Lab/LibDem coalition in 2015 and we may just as well hand over the UK to Eastern Europe and make Tony Blair Mr President! Pull out - let Scotland stay in and they can have them all to themselves we can't take or afford anymore!
This has been the dream of the EU leaders, give freedom of movement and people will be proud of being 'European' rather than British.
Sorry folks, it will only get worse as time goes on, the UK that I was born into in the thirties is no more, go to Maryport up in Cumbria and that is full of polish people. and that is the trend all over the UK. go to Wolverhampton and you will think that you are in India. and most towns are like that now.
Britain = social experiment in immigration gone wrong - I wonder how keen the mps would be if their jobs and lifestyles were threatened by it all?
Drag that vile man Blair and get him to live in this squaller he has created.
There will never be a time where we can all just get along, I mean we are a fine one to talk. When families migrate to places for example Australia!!!! There are documentaries on about it but when prime want to move here to start a better life the media portrays it like it is an invasion. I don't get it, such a shame that we this type of prejudice carries on. And it always will.
I can't get outraged. This country has always been about migration. It's just another phase. They are boosting the economy in my opinion. They pay taxes and are hard workers.
labour partys legacy
Perhaps Tony Blair would like to emigrate to Poland instead.
I suppose that most of you people disapprove of British stores in 'foreign' countries too, because I can assure you that there are plenty of them.
In 1939 Germany invaded Poland. Britain and France had guaranteed Polish independence,and subsequently went to war with Germany. Poland, a proud European nation suffered greatly during the German and Russian occupation and around six million Polish citizens died during the war. Its important to note that Poland made the fourth-largest troop contribution to the Allied war effort during WWII. Despite this, Britain and its allies let the people of Poland down by allowing the Soviets to take control of the country at the end of the war. For this reason I believe we should welcome Poles to this country. As a nation we have never apologised to my knowledge for our betrayal of the Polish people. Allowing Poles to settle here without criticism (of course assuming like anyone the laws of the land are obeyed)is the very least we can do.
My friend works as QA in a veg growing/ packing factory that supplies supermarkets with mushrooms, out of a staff of 300 only 8 speak English!!.... They work realy long hours, have no idea of thier rights , my friend started as a packer and barely spoke all day as no one tried to speak English to him. He was told he had to work longer hours .. When he refused he was told " I can easily replace you with one of thier mates"... Whilst pointing to a polish man.... Most of them are also claiming some sort of in work benefit ( which my friend cant get) and send money home ... This is all wrong.. It has to stop NOW
In 2020 the year 2013 will have been "the good old days" - which tells me things are going to become infinitely worse. The once proud and great Britain is FINISHED. Last person to leave turn out the light.
Boston is a mere amatuer, you should try wisbech or peterborough
The British should be out in the street up in arms about this fiasco of an immigration policy. The only way the government will listen is if ordinary people get out and shout about it before the place is really swamped. Is this what your ancestors fought for, to just give the place up without a fight. Grow a spine and do something about it.
Because of Labours treason secret open door policy back in 97 the whole country has now been stretched to breaking point, this is unrefutable FACT, so whats the answer?.... firstly benefits....... we must only pay them whatever benefits WE would be entitled to if we went to thier countries (poles only get about 120 quid a month in poland inc rent for benefits) secondly,.. we MUST introduce a no work no stay policy with instant deportation with no appeals (a new civillian force created for the task of daily round up) Thirdly... GET OUT OF THE EU IMMEDIATLEY!.... AND WITHDRAW FROM THE EUROPEAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT AS WE DONT NEED TELLING ABOUT WHAT HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BECAUSE ITS THIS NATION THAT WON THE WAR FOR THIER RIGHTS!!
Hope UKIP can help where the others have failed. MPs are oblivious to the front line effects immigration has on the rest of us average Joe's.
Why for Gods sake don't these lily livered politicians consider extending the "temporary" ban on further immigration from Eastern Europe and making it permanent before more damage is done. Vote UKIP and give us back our country.
Most people are not intelligent enough to understand the true economic benefits of immigration. The UK will sink without immigrants!
All you Labour voters should be ashamed of yourselves as you have truly "cut your own throats" and those of your fellow Brits. This is what slimeball hypocrite Blair delivered to UK: mass immigration, overcrowding, overstretched services, unemployment, rapidly declining satndard of living and a near bankrupt country. Whilst he swans off to make UKP 23 million (and counting); leaving you to deal with the devastation.
a bit hypocritical off the polish to be worried about the affect another wave of immigration will have....IMO
THE LABOUR PARTYS LEGACY
The only politician that will ever get my vote now is one who admits that the UK has been very spoiled by the over influx of Europeans. Con or Lab will never get my vote, as they do nothing to stop this once great country from being ruined by the EU!
Ian, North Lanarkshire, save yourself the trouble of moving to the USA to out run that problem. Same game, same problems, just a different location for it all. However, if you do plan on coming, learn Spanish first & how to use a gun.
Vile and disgusting "ROMANIAN SHOP" "POLISH FOOD" and the sub text written in their own languages, so much for integration, it's disgusting. - Tiny , Bucks, Would you rather have KFC, Starbucks and McDonalds everywhere? Nothing wrong with such shops and nothing to do with the problem.
Surely such signs are illegal under the UK's race relations act? Test case needed I think.
What the politicians are aiming towards are more "Millionaire's rows" in London and the cooks, cleaners, farmers and others to service their needs. Middle class be damned.
Reminds me of Polish shops in New York. The Polish people Ive met always work very hard and are very nice. Are people quick to forget the Polish helped us in the 2nd World War. In the small beach towns in NJ the Polish people I know are know running their own companies now.
I m a foreigner myself but there are too many foreigners here in England!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are not jobs for english people and why they let more foreigners coming over here...................... and it s not true foreigners just do jobs that English people don t want to do
Please can we keep the Poles and lose these whinging, bitter UKIP miseries?
It seems to me that this is unfair on the migrants, they were permitted to come here to provide a better life for themselves and their families because they wanted to, or had to, and were legally welcomed by the UK laws. They need specialist shops which cater for their tastes, there's no avoiding that. Without the migrants, the shope they are renting are likely to be left empty, as are the surrounding areas. These shops provide tax revenue, which we need, and on the most part, the EU migrants are the same as us, some working, some not working and some claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Most immigrants I've met are charming and an asset to our society. Interesting cultures and food add colour, interest and value to the UK. Give them a break.
UKIP,UKIP,UKIP there:s your answer,
I can't believe how old Tony Blair looks in that picture - is it because he's realized what he's done I wonder?
Until we grow a set and start trying our "Politicians " in a court of law as TRAITORS , nothing will change !
The only real hope of stopping this happening is to vote UKIP in....many won't like this but it really is the only answer.
How to be able to instantly replace any of the common workforce, and keep your own people in poverty by Tony Blair.
The Brits in Spain are pretty much reviled by the locals too because they have "English/Scottish/Irish Bars/Pubs" - however there is a big difference. The Brits came to Spain to work and/or invest with no benefits, no financial help and have had to fight tooth and nail to conquer all the odds stacked against them. And that is the way it should be! And in Spain you can only claim as much as you paid in! So if Spain can do it, so can the UK! So can anyone explain why they are the only country to encourage and give free handouts to the dross of Europe?
Not many of you thickies on here remember your British history do you? The only real English are the redheads in Scotland Wales and Ireland. The rest of are a mix of Italian, German, Norweigen and... Dare I say it...French! Probably with a light dusting of Polish after the second world war.
There is an English groceries shop in Malmo. Bet the Swedes don't complain about that! And who cares about Boston anyway?
I hope our political masters do nothing about immigration so the people finally wake up to how out of touch they are and vote them ALL out of power!!!
Stop complaining, all of you. Get off your backsides and do something about it. This cannot go on.
All responsible ,hard working, tax paying people are welcomed, but that is not the immigration crisis issue now is it??
Well Brits do exactly same thing when they move overseas.. overtake places, have own shops and services. so nothing is different, except that its now happening at home.
So when are you people who are commenting going to actually get onto the streets and do something? No good simply typing and saying how 'annoyed' you are.
Politicians bring people in to fake growth, decrease wages and increase the tax base. This at the expense of the existing population, their standard of living, and their children's future. Instead of actually doing the hard work of creating real growth, real industry, real wealth, and real security for the existing population.
Someone in the govt shouldprint this story off and leave it on camerons desk
Just turn them away and leave the EU. enough is enough.
Ok enough is enough. Quite easy solution really restrict the number of immigrants allowed to enter the UK regardless of whether they are from EU countries. It is the only way as the UK infrastructure cannot support anymore and is already failing.
My parents emigrated to the UK. They worked hard, never once bludged off the state, integrated into British society and have raised us to be law-abiding British citizens with a good work ethic. That is who we should be encouraging to come to the UK (as immigration is good, if controlled), not folk who are only interested in benefits or have no intention of becoming part of British society.
The best is yet to come
Do we need to leave the 'the rest of the world' so that migrants from every country cannot come and work here or do we just not like Polish people? Do all British people working abroad have to come home now too? A bit more complex that at first it seems.
You're facing what Americans faced, immigrants coming in to the country and offering to work at 2/3 less salary because they don't pay taxes, don't buy insurance and pay for food with government checks. You can't compete with a worker that doesn't pay taxes and has illegal documentation, it's impossible.
...suppose they should be appreciating English cuisine... chip butty and a deep-fried mars bar. classic.
if you've voted labour or tory over the years, well done, it's your fault. Now live with it.
The British were worried about the Polish taking the jobs & sending their money home & now the Poles are worried about immigrants & losing their jobs it has be a joke. Britain for this British first any jobs unfilled can be outsourced & NHS / housing etc., should NOT be available to any one who isn't paying tax. Boston will soon be renamed Small Poland.
These types of immigrants came to the US 100 years ago and then we grew into the greatest country earth has ever seen, just saying....quit the racism, mates!
It's only so long before foreign numbers out weigh us, one of them starts a political party and then gets elected through sheer numbers.
As Nigel Farage pointed out all this lot have to do on arrival is claim to be self employed then they can claim benefits from Day 1. What a Great country Great Britain is. Er, sorry was.
What about all of the BRITISH pubs all over Spain which do not even attempt to integrate? It's ok in that case, but you xenophobic Brits don't like it in reverse... Complete hippocrites!
Leave EU simples!!!!
'...Is Tony Blair aware of just how ill and scared he looks?'
I vote we all ask the government to force all British Nationals working oversea as economic migrants back to the UK! Yeah, what are they doing their with their 'English' ways and attitudes, making the locals feel uncomfortable in their 'odd' clothes and strange accent and habits! Force them back! We must for the sake of letting the other people who lived there first have everything! If they are angry so what they are not adults with a legal right to go there! They know no better!!! Bring em back errrr! Yeahhh....is what you might just as well be saying!
Yes, being able to claim benefits after 3 months is absolutely ridiculous, immigration levels are too high and some people are clearly out to exploit the system. However showing neat and tidy shops and hardworking Poles and Latvians happily selling their produce doesn't exactly inspire me to get the pitchforks out!! Seems to me the Poles are the least of your problems! How is this any different from the Chinatowns etc. that spring up in every city around the world? Eventually the new arrivals will get asborbed into the local population or go home. I would be much more worried about 'irregular' 3rd world migration, illegal activity and the black economy than Latvians selling biscuits and salami on the high street!
They should have conditions upon entry that they integrate into the local culture rather than set up shop in their own language, if the locals want to buy a polish sausage how can they read it if every thing is in their own language. Multiculturalism is a failure as all immigrants set up their own little ghettos and do not consider the local culture. Also what has happened to Tony Blair he looks like and as old as Peter O'toole !!
Polish people will not integrate quickly. There was a huge Polish immigration to Toronto area in the 80's and 90's and after some 20 plus years, Poles still like to shop in their own shops with food items imported from Poland and tend to speak their own langauage. I never understood that because other Eastern Europeans. for example Ukrainians, intergrate very quickly. Poles have a very strrong identity and culture and are proud of their own country, maybe that's why.
They have a perfect legal right to be in the UK.
The monarchy is German, there is no such thing as an Englishman. All of us are technically immigrants. Instead of sittin at home on the dole, get some books from the library and READ. Learn about England, the different times and people. Learn about your country before posting idiotic, ignorant nonsense on the internet. Regards, Third generation Asian, married to a white girl:)
It is not their fault. However, Vote UKIP as Camoron and Clegg have not done anythinng about the problem
"none will feel the impact more than all the recent arrivals from Poland, Latvia and Lithuania who have made Boston the most Eastern European town in Britain" No mention though of the impact on the british were too busy worrying about the mpact it will have on the recent arrivals from Poland etc! I am ashamed to say i am british.. I feel no pride of being british... What is britain a place full of immigrants! Every town looks like a foreign country! What did our ancestors fight for? For this?
@It's vomit inducing, how many shops are there in Poland or Romania with signs up stating "ENGLISH SHOP" or "GOOD ENGLISH FOOD"? I'll tell you how many a big fat ZERO! It's a total and utter disgrace that the people of Boston have been subjected to these 
there's a higher percentage of English migrants in Spain then there are poles in the UK.... with 'ENGLISH FOOD' shops absolutely dominating certain areas diluting local culture to an extent in which places are becoming ordinarily familiar. So before we are so quick to judge how we as a country are being effected by a 'problem' which happens to bring many sociology-economic benefits in these days of recession, we should question how we as a country are hypocritical in thinking that we have are at the forefront of 'negative' societal issues when deep problems of this sought are occurring as a result of UK migration.
It was ok for UK in the past to take over other countries, steal from them and build an Empire but now it's not ok for the immigrants to come to UK? Payback time folks. If British were a lot harder workers, and didn't come late because they had a pint too many from night before, they would have the immigrants' jobs. But no...they don't want to do the dirty jobs. Immigrants are harder workers and British workers whinge a lot instead of putting their heads down and being happy with what the have. Rant over. I'm British by the way.
Come on guys, Latvian and Lithuanian women are tall, blond and beautiful - make Boston a more attractive town to live in. Hell, Tony Blair thinks he's done you guys a favour!. However, Romania is where the film 'Borat' was filmed and there are a lot of peasant villages over there, in real life!. Women over there get pregnant by 12, and lots of medical anomalies. Apparently half the country have bought tickets for London next year - free health care and get money for babies - Victoria station, London, 2014!!
Ah well, might get something done now the Poles and Latvians are complaining, because the government sure ain't listening to Brits.
You cruel people, whatever happened to being kind and generous
Vikings, Romans, French and many others have been "invading" Britain since the dawn of time and Britain is just as guilty of sending immigrants to far flung corners of the world, such as Australia which was populated with British criminals. All our ancestors were immigrants at some time.
So basically we will be importing unemployment , then of course the newly unemployed Polish etc will get preferential help to get back to work as they are a poor minority , never mind our children who have no hope of getting work as they will be deemed not as hard done by , GOD I HATE THIS GOVERNMENT . LET'S GET UKIP IN .
To Ian,North Lanarkshire,get going on applying for immigration to Canada, This country is beautiful and big,and we speak English and French.The situation in Briton will not get better overnight, if at all,it is a crying shame what has happened to our England, it is not our Land of hope and glory,any more,or any of the beautiful things I remember of my homeland.Good Luck, and God Bless.
I Am from Estonia and living in NZ and i totally get UK citizens pain, easten europen countries are so corrupt, our goverments sold everything, all the assests and you just do not know what s going to happen tomorrow and thats why people looking for stabilty and comfort in the uk. I feel your pain guys , but the EU made our lives impossible to live in our countries as after joining it , prices on food and everything skyrocketed and wages stayed pretty much the same.... How can u live on 400 euro a month with eu prices on food and other expenses, impossible
Romanian shop front looks photoshopped and fake.
Once they're in they're in! I am sick of the lot of them not just the polish but all of the immigrants that come here and take our jobs! Sponge of our country, health service and schools! Take our homes, our streets, our churches go home the lot of you! This country does not look or feel like the Uk!
Why do we put up with having hard-working Polish migrants paying our taxes and social security welfare deductions and national health deductions just to pay for all the lazy Brits on the dole and scrounging welfare?
You people do realise, if you cut ties to the EU then they will cut trade with us? We need the eastern europeans to do the work that the British people are too stuck up to do. They are people, just like you, they support their families, just like you. Why bother making the differences. Maybe there is a sub text in their native tongue because they don't always want to read in english, it's the same in europe everywhere has English subtext. Do you really think they have those same complaints? What's vile and disgusting isn't the Eastern shops, it's you people.
There will not be any brits left in this country soon.... Anything but! What has the government done! Its time to act action now its going to be chaos
Face facts here. The Fat Cats of British business are the ones pulling the strings. Eastern European immigrants keep the minimum wage to an absolute minimum and hence keep working class Brits from earning a decent wage for their families. This Fat Cat Lobby has considerable influence wrt governmental policies. That's it in a nutshell
UKIP The only logic in this madness!
Hmmm - seem to forget all the places us Brits "migrated" to (colonised) and set up home. How many Brits learnt Spanish when they moved to Spain and set up the English chippy? Yes, integration is very important but I for one have migrated to Australia - because I loved it as a back packer - nothing to do with a hatred of Britain - yet I find I still gravitate to English accents but do embrace the current Australian life. I remember my father in law commenting on signs in England in the 60's "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs" Seems we go through waves of xenophobia .
And it was all so unnecessary......England didn't need anymore people. Now look at it. It makes me so sad when I read this. Poor old England. But people - where is the protesting in the streets??? The marches, the defiance outside of parliament??? Are you just all going to sit there and tut. Help yourselves and your country for heaven's sake!!!! Come on people!!!!!
It is interesting that the primary school is happy! Ofsted favours schools like t. What position is this school in the national league tables???? Ofsted are NOT going to say that standards are lower because of the number of immigrants!!! I should imagine that the standards have declined over time but as Ofsted only take the last two years results into consideration it fails to show up! I am sure that the teaching staff are wonderful and caring and there is a good school ethos. But what about academic standards that provide the building blocks for the childrens' future education? If academic standards are lower, the school will put it down to a change of demographics. This is a total get out! More in depth research is needed to show the true nature of educational standards in Boston to provide further evidence of the changing nature of Boston due to immigration!
I'm afraid it's only going to get worse...
Tthe stark reality is that we have lost control of our countries borders. Brussels decides who may enter by them and London has no longer any say in the matter, Evidence of this is the farcical suggestion that our government is seriously considering launching a negative advertising campaign to tell Romanians and Bulgarians what a horrible place the UK is and please dont come here you really wouldnt like it, Thats how worried they are by the prospect of this new influx. THIS IS WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO BY EUROPE A BEGGING LETTER TO NEW WOULD BE IMMIGRANTS NOT TO COME HERE And the taxpayer will as usual fork up for it
no one will do anything about it. its to late
It's a simple choice now. Vote LibLabCon to stay in the EU-SSR or vote UKIP to leave the EU-SSR!
This whole thing has gone too far and something needs to be done, but I'm not sure voting for vile bigots like UKIP will solve anything.
Boston has become a concentrated version of the Eastern Bloc. God help us all next year. Goodbye, UK.
"It's vomit inducing, how many shops are there in Poland or Romania with signs up stating "ENGLISH SHOP" or "GOOD ENGLISH FOOD"? I'll tell you how many a big fat ZERO! - Tiny , Bucks, 02/2/2013 00:10" ------- Of course there are no English Food Shops in Bulgaria or Romania because these countries are not jam-packed with English immigrants. A different story in parts of Spain, Cyprus where you see signs up everywhere for 'English Breakfast' and 'John Smith' beer, because these places ARE over-run with English immigrants. But they don't like being called immigrants, they prefer the term 'ex-pats' .....
It's an immigration issue that England can't sustain. Europe and the EU is on the whole a good thing, but the immigration rules are killing our country. Focus on these and the benefits. Value our Pensioners, our truly sick and disabled in society. You hardly ever hear a blind man complain. Lets focus on the issues in hand and not get sidetracked. Leaving the EU wont solve the issues we face. Our politicians won't stop the influx of immigrants, that's a convenient excuse. We must have the uncomfortable and with many unpopular decision to close our borders and negotiate these issues into a ratified EU ammendment.
Vile and disgusting "ROMANIAN SHOP" "POLISH FOOD" and the sub text written in their own languages, so much for integration, it's disgusting. - Tiny , Bucks, 02/2/2013 00:05 Yeah, the only thing worse would be if they didn't bother writing any of the signs in the language of the country that they are in. You wouldn't find English ex-pats doing such a disgraceful thing on the pubs and fish and chips shops they run in Spain. Oh wait.....
The Polish are complaining about the Romanians coming along and stealing their jobs in Britain? Dumbfounded. And never more grateful to have emigrated.
I have never 'done' politics. But the time is NOW for a referendum on who rules the country of England. It's riddled with laws - so much so that, for most of England, we're confused. I was lucky to enjoy a brief pleasure of meeting U.K.I.P. members about 2 years ago - one was the brother of a pretty famous pop performer. (Herman's Hermits ?) (Lol) So, time for action. Through: 78 degrees (Chaps and lasses please Google it) we will restore our bit of the world to one that we remember.
¿The [employment] agencies and gang-masters will start hiring them, at a lower cost, instead of the Polish and Latvians and Lithuanians. Then what?¿ --------------------------------------- Oh the irony!!!!!
I don't see a problem with people coming here under immigration control (having a good valid reason for a visa, having to pay for visas and all the home office tests and checks), working, paying tax, paying NI and having regulations against them saying they can't claim benefits. However, when you open the doors to people from poorer countries to come and claim benefits, get a council home etc all they have to worry about is getting here. If you're under immigration control if you break the law (for serious crimes, and sometimes lesser severity if they dont want you here) you're deported. It's not fair to those who have worked all of their lives to fund people's lives here who choose to do nothing. If someone works or starts up a business it should be done again without government aid. If you give people an inch they'll take a mile. If we do come out of the EU, there will be thousands of cases of human rights well have to fight and these people coming here could cost a mild fortune.
DM, just stop! Less than 1% of the UK's population is Polish GET USED TO IT!
Doncaster is the same.
Why only highlight EU migration in Boston? Take a tour round Bradford and you wouldn't recognise it as being part of the UK, and it's been like that for decades, but I don't see stories driven by the media springing up everywhere. Why so selective I wonder?
We have a lot of Polish in my part of London in Sutton and in Tooting. My council is refurbishing all the flats,on my estate.And this week they started on my flat.Most of the workers come from eastern europe .And I've found that they really work hard.And seem to be very polite.One guy started at 9AM on Wednesday,he stripped my old kitchen out and stripped my bathroom out.He finished at about 4PM, And he had finished the job.
Polish is the 2nd most spoken language in the UK....we have a severe lack of housing, an cant house the ppl who have lived all their lives here and have paid taxes for yrs, the nhs is under way too much pressure, the benefits system is in crisis an the uk is in a financial mess but still we let more an more immigrants in....its ok to say well u can go live and work in other EU countries but there are no jobs there thats why they are all coming here.....something has got to be done...
Poland is not Eastern Europe, the ignornace is just beyond joke in this paper. That's for starters. I cannot understand DM obsession with the hate of Poles, one of the very few nations that actually makes an effort to learn english, integrate and have enough respect for the history, politics, religion and heritage of this country. Unlike some others. I have nothing but respect for them, these are the people that work hard and want to work. And it really takes an ignorant to blame the economic situation on immigrants - as long as those voting do not understand that - this country has no chance whatsoever of ever bouncing back.
I fail to see exactly what the problem is. Here in Spain there are hundreds of thousands of people from the UK who deem it necessary to call themselves 'ex pats' when in fact they too are nothing more than immigrants. A large proportion of these people contribute nothing to the social and cultural life of the region, commonly speak little or no Spanish, are rude in the way they deal with Spaniards, and expect everyone to speak THEIR language. Add to this the countless gated communities where many rarely come out, people who take regular trips to Gibraltar to get 'real' food, and the many wastrels who spend their time in bars or taking drugs. They bring shame to the UK. Now, what EXACTLY is the difference? Oh, wait a minute the Polish people are WORKING and CONTRIBUTING to the economy, paying taxes, and constructively going about their daily lives.
Mary Beard where are you and blair now ,his got his medal for selling us out to the polish must be your turn next
I visited Hull recently and he main road into the city is pretty much like being in a different country...most shops had foreign signage...terrible! Why are we allowing our country to be transformed in this way?
"Vile and Disgusting", how? That people have set up businesses in an area previously held in social depravity? Why do people who believe they were born into Britain place themselves on a higher stool, you were born here out of luck whilst immigrants go through the most unimaginable pain to get and work here yet for some reason you deserve to be here more so than them? Some meritocracy.
Couldn't they have hung a union jack behind Rachel Bull? Or perhaps sat a bulldog next to her.
Britons are extremely nice to foreigners despite the Left's constant talk of little-englanders, xenophobia & racism. Polite & accommodating to a fault. Even here as the town gets swamped, taken over, changed beyond all recognition & all the people interviewed are end-of-the-tether annoyed, it's still measured, nervous, oh-so-reasonable grumbling, complaints couched in terms designed to stress just what a nice person they are & not prejudiced in any way whatsoever heaven forfend. Then we wonder we're viewed as a soft-touch. We are a soft-touch. Someone kicks us & we say 'sorry', knocks us to the ground & we blush an 'excuse me, my fault'. In France there'd be no tolerance for a pidgin lingo 'good school' muttered response, if you're not fluent they'd ignore you 'till doomsday. In Italy the carabinieri would be less 'can I translate those documents for you?' and more baton to the noggin & deportation for Mr Whateverski. Might make us *nice* in abstract, but look where that gets us.
We've been sold down the river.
What must the Vets of the last wars think about this. Fighting for freedom for their families and their country only to see an open invitation to come and take it all away
May I recommend to all Romanians and Bulgarians planning to come here next year, a lovely place called Witney in Oxfordshire. Dave and all his friends will welcome you with open arms!
TO LITTLE TO LATE.
We need to stop this now.
Judging by the second photo, there must be plenty of Romanians here already. The situation in Boston is ridiculous. Caused initially by Labour, and it's not going to get better under this government.
Cameron is not a conservative, he is a traitor just as Blair is and was. Anybody who is a Tory party activist under Cameron is a fool, or worse.
It's great to see the Polish opening businesses in the UK and contributing to our economy, well done. I've met a few Polish people and they are really nice.
For centuries the British Empire pilaged the world taking other countries natural resources all along the way. maybe its payback time, Karma.
My home-towns population, according to the last census, is currently sitting at 48.9% are from a foreign country. It no longer feels like home.
Well done Tony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT.
Don't worry there is plenty of space for everyone who wants to come here. Dave said all we have to do is build on 10% of the green fields. If we do that every year what could possibly go wrong.
are these pictures genuine? no, surely not? this is an absolute disgrace. do these politicians take heed of all the warnings, or maybe they cannot hear in their ivory towers.
"It points out that Boston has 10,000 migrant workers and 1,200 jobless. Remove the former, and the latter are hardly going to fill the gap." What invalidates this is that most of the migrant workers are signed to agencies and are therefore deemed "employed" whether they work one day a week or all seven, or don't work at all. The majority work on an as-and-when basis - a labour tap employers turn on and off. At any one time there will be far less than 10,000 migrant workers actually working. That is why the figure is misleading. The 1,200 jobless (who must include some East Europeans) would therefore go a long way towards filling the gap - and bear in mind that outside labour has always been called in on a seasonal basis, as the article states. The story is the same all over the Fens and much of East Anglia. Natives with families to raise and mortgages to pay simply can not work this way, nor should they be expected to.
The whole of the UK is being taken over by unskilled economic migrants. Politicians stand around picking their noses, whilst fiddling their expenses, telling us all it's for our own good. I am sick of watching this country being wrecked by an incompetent so-called 'Government', who are only too happy to take orders from mainland Europe like the bunch of sycophantic, panting, drivelling lap-dogs they are. It's time for change. It's time for UKIP.
Its great being in the EU innit ? Well that's what Cameron tells us. Well its no good just whinging on about it, because this new lot will come on in with the full blessing of your scummy MPs You have to confront these spineless rats head on to take action You have eleven months left and counting. 10 9 8 7 6 etc then BINGO.
Before long they will have the vote here, takes a couple of years to get clearance to emigrate to Aus, US or Canada, better start the process I suppose.
First thing is to leave the eu then there is no excuse for things not to change for the better. The only party that wants out of the eu is UKIP.
Dave from Chorleywood, you are actually a psychopath.
Society is breaking down as little by little all the nice touches which are the bedrock of neighbourly respect are gradually broken down by dopey neighbours.
We recently got our 4 year old daughter a kitten to keep her company and our elderly next door neighbour has complained that it makes her dogs bark. I informed her that the dogs barked long before we got the kitten and her reply was that they only bark at my husband as he wears glasses!!! Never heard such nonsense. The woman is definately away in the head! - annoyed, the castle, 28/7/2011 16:49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Remember, dog owners NEVER hear their dogs barking, only the annoyed neighbours!
Overcrowding in rented properties is the root cause of most problems in my neighbourhood, especially those occupied by eastern europeans. Loud music played with windows open, heavy drinking and the dumping of mattresses and other rubbish in the front garden and surrounding area.
We had five years of the neighbour from Hell. We purchased a new property: never again. Shared access and shared drive:never again. It is annoying that when selling a property you have to declare any neighbourhood disputes yet housebuilders do not vet the buyers of their new properties. We purchased the house next door to a known trouble-causer (unfortunately this was found out later). I wish I could sue the house builder as I could be sued if I didn't declare the disputes. We are fortunate, we managed to secure funds to move out and rent the property. I feel blessed that I have my life back.
My neighbours annoyed us hugely because they told my dad to move his van because they did not want to look at it even though it was parked in OUR SPACE which we paid for! unfortunately we live in a courtyard with 3 other houses so everyone is in each others business. The same neighbours also LET THEMSELVES into our house as they have a spare key as they used to look after the dog! seriously considering moving to a detached house in the middle of nowhere!
when i keep hearing the word 'community' i cringe this word should be expelled from the english language it went out in the 1990s and will never return there is no longer any sense of 'community' in the u.k there are millions of people who dont know there neighbours or want to [okay you can quote incidents when neighbours help ] but few and far between so please lets not use this word 'community' again shall we [not]
MY GOODNESS. I EXTEND DEEP SYMPATHY AND EMPATHY TO ALL THOSE SUFFERING WITH NEIGHBOURS.HAVING LIVED QUIETLY IN MY HOME FOR MANY YEARS, THE USUAL SCENARIO UNFOLDED WITH A NEW LETTING IN SEMI I AM A CHANGED PERSON BECAUSE OF IT. WHAT WAS EQUALLY BAD WAS THAT THE OTHER NEIGHBOURS COULDNT GIVE A STUFF, THEY WERE TOO SCARED IT WOULD TURN ON THEM. I HOPE I NEVER GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, I LIVE IN WORRY OF THE SAME AND REALLY FEEL FR ALL THOSE SUFFERING. UNTIL ONE GOES THROUGH NEIGHBOUR HELL IT IS NOT UNDERSTOOD. I DONT KNOW HOW I SURVIVED AND I KNOW FOR SURE I WOULDNT COPE IF IT HAPPENED AGAIN. IT STOLE MY LIFE AND HEALTH AND BELIEF IN PEOPLE
We recently got our 4 year old daughter a kitten to keep her company and our elderly next door neighbour has complained that it makes her dogs bark. I informed her that the dogs barked long before we got the kitten and her reply was that they only bark at my husband as he wears glasses!!! Never heard such nonsense. The woman is definately away in the head!
My parents' neighbours have two lads in their late teens and when they have parties, their parents ALWAYS put a note through all the other neighbours' doors saying that there will be a party, sorry for any inconvenience, it's to celebrate whatever, come over for a drink if you would like, the music will be off by 11.30pm. The music is always switched off at 11.30pm and the lads and their friends are never any trouble. As a result, none of the neighbours mind when they do have a party and it's a bit noisy, as they know what's going on. I think a lot of issues could be resolved if people actually talked to each other. We are shortly moving to a village and have already met the neighbours who all seem very nice. Where we live at the moment we have nice neighbours. They are a bit noisy sometimes (the daughter can't half scream when she's having a tantrum!) but you can't expect kids to live in silence. I'm sure there are times when they think we're noisy as we've got a new baby.
the Ducks on the River at the bottom of my garden are so noisy in February through to May they really do know how to make a noise. They can be quaking at 1.30am and then it might go quiet for a couple of hours. They start again. Oh well we love the Countryside and we mustnt complain
My neighbour's teens play golf (I have just found the third golf ball in my garden this month), play cricket, tennis, ice-hockey among some others. I had pucks, cricket balls thrown into my sunlounge and garden. When I complained, they threw more; sometimes, 10 a day. (Thank god they were tennis balls. In the end, I realised that there was no point protesting. I collected them and sold them at boot sales. I think I made about £4 charging 10p for a tennis ball and 50p for cricket balls. I wish I had collected the pucks. I had engine oil, wood-preserving paints stolen. One day, my son played with water, the woman sent her son to complain that the water wetted her clothes and it has been quoted against my son ever since and he was only 6 at the time, not even a teen!
My neighbours are pretty awful, I'll call them a young family to be PC but as far as I'm aware they are not his kids. They're both on benefits, argue, fight and slam doors loudly and regulary. I've heard them throw plates etc at eachother, the language is undescrible (especially seen as they have at least 3 children under 10 living with them in a 2 bed terrace). Loud bassy music frequently they have NO taste! I've seen them smoking pot (and arguing about drugs,) I even heard him scream at one of the children that he doesn't give a F*** if she's taken into care. - I havnt complained to the housing office because for one I cant be bothered to keep a diary, 2 I'm not in that often and 3, we are 2 x 25 year olds - if/when I have a party I wont feel the slightest bit of remorse.
How many of the problem neighbours come from Yorkshire?
How many of the problem neighbours come from Yorkshire?
I lived alongside fabulous neighbours for ten blissful years. We were a mix of young and old, retired, working, children, no-children etc. Over the course of two years, the elderly neighbours all died. Of the four houses for sale, three were bought by decent people. The other one, in the middle of all our houses, was bought by the neighbours from hell. Three kids, barking dogs, foul abusive Dad, gobby, loud mother, two huge 4x4s and a truck and trailer. Chaos descended. The kids had no boundaries, out in their garden till the early hours any night of the week. Numerous visitors day and night, with kids. Often there would be six to eight adults in the house and frequently ten or more kids in the garden. It took another 18 months before the remaining original neighbours all moved away. Such a shame, but thank goodness we all managed to sell. I hear that the parents of the nightmare family are now separated - no surprise there given they would argue and scream day and night.
Lack of respect for my disabled parking bay, throwing rubbish into my very small front garden, noise and swearing most nights, being verbally abused or threatened because I'm a wheelchair user. Could think of many other reasons why I'd like to move but I'm not up to it physically and only having a small house so cannot downsize to anything cheaper to cover the cost of moving.
Try living in Southern County Durham , From Sedgefield ( the dog poo capital of the uk) through Fishburn, Trimdon, Trimdon station, etc you find from the poorest council house to the poshest executive housing there have (A) Dogs that they let bark morning noon and NIGHT ( last night 4am) (B) Spoiled teenage chavs in siilly little cars with straight through exausts raciing around the streets til 2 am ( just follow the trail of discarded Mcdonalds wrappers). Then of course theres the weekend clubbers who from 11pm to 4am come home in minibuses slaming door, shouting goodnight, arguing and throwing up ( thats the parents). Its right what they say " you cant buy class" and as for the Council !! ytou have to monitor noise for a fortnight before they will even send a letter.
The cows in the medow next to my house keep we awake sometimes , and even worse they eat my flowers through the fence .
I agree with RichardG. Too late for me. I'm stuck. My neighbour is a council tenant and has makes my life such a misery that I want to move but she is so bad, my house is unsaleable. I've kept quiet about her noise and antisocial behaviour for 2 years with no complaint to the council as I didn't want this to go on record. Unfortunately my neighbour feels she's entitled to a bigger property but when the council refused, she made up allegations about me!!! These are ridiculous - a classic example is that I throw cigarette butts over my fence. I don't even smoke!! I've now had to make complaints just to defend my name. The council still do nothing. Not content with just ruining my life, she has now turned on another neighbour telling the police he's taking photos of her kids. He was taking photos of her antisocial behaviour. No kids even present!! When will the Council actually help the innocent and not just their tenants? The stress is making me ill.
We also moved after being woken up at 4am by the man next door starting his motorbike,he had to have 3 attempts. The other side's children would come into our garden and we tried to keep good relations with them but they could not control their children. The irony was after we moved out the neighbours from hell moved because they thought their new neighbours practised vodoo, they did not. The other side then moved out a few months later. They were both upset that we had moved becuase we were no trouble to them. It is better to be friendly with neighbours but not too close in case you do disagree. We are much happier were we are now.
As the quality of people within the U.K. is deteriorating with every increasing second then this situation will inevitably become much worse. On observing how the current younger generation behaves in your country, what kind of children do you are imagine are going to be brought up next. Any half intelligent person, if they have the means, should leave England and perhaps try to remember it how it once was.
We had to move as the neighbours that moved in next to us use to have parties till 3am most w/ends even though they knew we had a 3 month old baby. Then when girl fell pregnant we though we would have peace at least, however, they then commenced 8 months of hammer drilling, smashing, re-wiring hell done by themselves & their parents...I fell pregnant with our 2nd child & we moved to a detached house within the same town as the thought of living next to them whilst being tired from the 2nd pregnancy & looking after our 1st child was too much to bear. A lot of society feel that because they are in their own home, they do not have a responsibility to their neighbours. People should be made to be aware of how their actions impact on others, however, we're now in such a selfish society that I feel the only action is to move abroad!
Unfortunately we live in a flat below our “lovely” neighbours, who decided to call the police on us! My partner has been training in our garden on his punch bag for about 10 minutes at 8.30pm one evening, when two WPC knocked on our door. Apparently my partner was too noisy and that stupid woman upstairs complained. Unfortunately I didn’t get chance to speak to the WPC’s, otherwise I would have asked them whether we were doing anything “illegal”. Mind you my partner uses the punch bag once a month, if that. We always keep ourselves to ourselves. Don’t make unnecessary noise either. Some people just have the need to bully others! I wish we could move, but in current financial situation, it’s virtually impossible.
Our upstairs neighbour is a complete git who decided he could park his car down the side entrance to our flat, completely blocking access for us. Doesn't bother me. I simply climbed over it in my big muddy boots & me & my husband manhandled our wheelie bin over his bonnet & out & back again the next day. a few days of this & he chose to park further up the passageway. I don't care where you park mate, but if you're blocking access to my house be prepared to take some damage to your car.
My neighbours regularly make love in their back garden during the summer months. I have no objection to them doing so - but the noise is very loud and unbearable. - Russell Birnam, St. Albans, 28/07/2011 10:10 Whereabouts are you st Albans Russell?
I'm lucky in that I have fairly decent neighbours. Although the kids do make a noise it isn't everyday. What I don't like is the fact that when I go to sell my house I have to inform prospective buyers that a housing association bought the house next door and have tenants in there. .
if i won the lottery i would move away completely from any neighbours. it seems the younger generation think they have the right to make as much noise as they like, but if my dog so much as barks over the wall at them he is reported to the council. I suppose they will lie and make up a report about my dog, although they are both out to work. i have him to protect me, as our area is being infiltrated by all types, and most of the neighbours are unemployed now so they have got nothing better to do than persecute pensioners, as if it is our fault they have no jobs and no money!
If you own your home and at the end of your tether from your neighbours from hell - for your sanity sell your house for whatever you can get and MOVE. Don't ever officially complain as this will have to be disclosed to prospective buyers. This law was brought in many years ago, the brainchild of some interfering detached-housed upmarket living MPs who have never had to suffer antisocial neighbours. I have, and am trapped in my home because I complained many times to the council with no effect. Even if these neighbours moved away, my complaints would still have to be disclosed.
YOU are the one that has to move....those who cause trouble never do.....I had to do this after spending thousands on my house...and allowing my neighbour to be on my property to repair his house...they turned out to be right ********
What about the DIY maniacs who make others' lives a total misery with their drilling,hammering and sawing every weekend ? My life was made unbearable when the bloke next door said he wanted to build an extension,but assured me it would be done by a firm of builders.They disappeared after one week as he said he couldn't afford them,and what should have been a 6 week job dragged on for two years.The council inspected some of his work and insisted he knock it down and start again ! When it was finally finished it looked such an eyesore,we found it difficult to sell our home.I drove past the house last week and saw him rebuilding the garden wall and laying some concrete on the drive. How I laughed that I don't have to get up every morning by that noise and mess.
Most areas now are multicultural hell holes !it does not work ,they keep to there own large noisy selves . then there is our own home grown chavs, who can barely speak , god help us, no way out .And the worst culprit is wooden floors in flats !arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
This is a symptom of the 'Me, Me, Me' generation created by Margaret Thatcher. No-one gives anyone else any consideration these days.
I blame the proliferation of inbreed Chavs with no education, manners or consideration. Just what this country needs is more Waynes & Waynettas eh?
The problem with England is that it is so densely populated, only the rich can afford to have space between them and a neighbour with a big yard or fence. People basically live right on top of each other and everything is audible, from farts to x-factor at volume 10.
Next time I move I will check out the neighbours accidentaly on purpose. I lve in a very nice house in the nicest part of town, not bragging just saying. Next door in a similar house are a family who have made a few quid, but they are from a rough estate originally and they have brought their way of life with them; constant door slamming, alarms always going off, dog barking day and night, arguments using the most foul four letter words like confetti sprinkled into every conversation, and absolutely no respect for anyone else. As I said to them no matter how hard you scrub, the council estate runs through you like Blackpool does through rock. We don't speak and if they had a terminal illness everyone would know as I would be doing cartwheels down the street .
My neighbours a very nice ,the ones attatched to the side and everyone else around here too.This is a nice place to live.
i have my life made a misery by inconsiderate neighbours,they play loud music,talk very loud ,their kids are loud i dont know what is the matter with people today,the councils dont care either,they want you to keep a stupid diary,i am 61 and not in the best of health and me and my husband would love to move but cant afford too would love to move somwhere where all you hear is the birds singing and just have peace and quiet if such a place exists today,just wish something could be done about antisocial people and more done for us victims.
we had a neibour that wanted all of a shared drive ,, they mooved in and tryed to take it over,they had to moove again after there plan to take my half of the drive to increase the value of there property backfired on them,,
I'm really lucky as my neighbour is lovely and also a bit deaf so I can practice my numerous musical instruments and sing without upsetting her (obviously I stay as far as possible from the party wall and limit it to 8.30pm!). She keeps an eye on anyone knocking at my door when I'm out and takes parcels in for me (a good excuse for me to go around for a natter). But she is 80 and I do worry about who would move into the house when she is gone. There are a couple of houses further down the road, and a flat opposite where the kids run riot a fair bit, parents have noisy BBQs as soon as the sun comes out and keep going until the small hours whatever day of the week it is. The kids ride up and down on mini-motorbikes.Yep, you guessed it, they are social tenants. The road generally is pleasant though and I like living there. I don't expect silence and like to see kids playing out (but in everyones garden is a bit much).
I don't understand this article - I haven't moved for nearly 20 years Mind you I am on my 9th different neighbour in this time - mac, Blackpool, 28/7/2011 10:07 ___________________________________________________________ Mac, what's your secret?,......I mean, you got 9 people, to move away from you!
This problem is caused largely by a lack of council houses and tax credits. You basically end up with people who whould normally live in a council house living on a nice estate, were they think thay can get away with behaviour that they would never get away with on a "rough" estate. A product of New Liebours legacy I'm afraid.
Yup we had to move house after we help an old lady whose dog was being savaged by a local thugs vicous Japanese fighting dog, The police gave the thugs a copy of our statements with our adress on. From then on our cars and garden were vandalised almost nightly, and the thugs kids encouraged all the local kids to attack and bully our sone who ewas only 4 yrs old. NEVER help the police they WILL betray you.
Picture the scene if all the neighbors who regularly drive others away were made to live together in one happy neighborhood ...
After 37 years at the same address I have seen many 'neighbours' come and go and been glad to see the back of quite a few! As people die or move then the part time landlords move in and rent out the properties and that is when the real problems start as the people renting are only there short term and care little for their neighbours or the property itself. This leads to a steady decline in the quality of the area, housing stock and neighbourly relations!
Ah, the curse of BTL landlords. Fill yer boots people of Greed Britain.
Today there is a very mixed pot of housing, nearly everywhere there are estates of mixed tenure; some own their homes outright, some with mortgages, some shared ownership, some social rentals, some private rentals, some with multiple occupation. Each household will have different rules that affect their household. Tenancies can be terminated if in breach, however, for other households there is nothing that authorities can do if there are “difficulties” in their communities. This article again is a symptom of not all people have the same conditions attached to their households, we desperately need to review all housing and each household having the same rules that apply, to have a standardisation of conditions, for example, a social tenant can be evicted for having an overgrown garden, but a homeowner can’t, and there is nothing that the authorities can do, therefore there are harsh rules for some and not for others. We need a massive overhaul of all housing and to develop
I have two blocks of flats opposite me in which 7 of the tenants play music so loudly you would think it was a nightclub. When they are all playing it at the same time each tenant turns theirs up to drown out the other. It can be heard around the corner when approaching the street. The council tell me I have to fill in diary sheets for each individual flat, I told them I am not Adrian Mole 13 & 3/4, it's their tenants try getting out of the office in walking up the street to listen to them, then come back at 2am and listen again. I love my house and waited 20 years for it to become available so don't really want to move but neither do I want to listen to their music all hours of the day and night.
I have a terrible neighbour who rents two doors down from me. He parks wherever he likes (we have allocated parking), has screaming matches with his girlfriend late at night. Sits on his front door step topless drinking Stella and is generally unpleasant and uncouth to all who cross his path. He has a criminal record (he told me when he first moved in) so I knew we were doomed from the start. Those who have no fear of the law think they can do what they like without consequences, and with our lilly livered government, they're right most of the time. The poor man next door has moved out following a nervous breakdown due to this man's actions. You can't do anything though if you want to sell your house in the future. Private tennants know they've got home owners backed into a corner.
I'm reading this article while the house shakes from the drilling and hammering from next door that is now in it's seventh week.
My neighbours regularly make love in their back garden during the summer months. I have no objection to them doing so - but the noise is very loud and unbearable.
Just bring in a ban on all leylandii hedges over 9 feet tall and you would solve a huge number of these disputes. The current rules brought in by Labour, as expected are too complicated and do not work
I don't understand this article - I haven't moved for nearly 20 years Mind you I am on my 9th different neighbour in this time
where i live, there is a residential car park, it seems to be first come first serve, which i dont mind as some families have kids. But can someone tell me why a couple (2 ppl) have 4 cars? is that necessary?
My neighbour is nosey and has a privet hedge that he likes to keep low enough to see over. I would prefer to let it grow above head height or replace it with an 8ft fence. I really don't need to see/speak to them.
@ jen, aylesbury, the councils really don't have any power. I live on a new estate which should be lovely but there are three houses, which are all my neighbours, who are extrememly noisy. The young kids play on the streets until 10 at night and 11 in the
@ jen, aylesbury, the councils really don't have any power. I live on a new estate which should be lovely but there are three houses, which are all my neighbours, who are extrememly noisy. The young kids play on the streets until 10 at night and 11 in the
@ jen, aylesbury, the councils really don't have any power. I live on a new estate which should be lovely but there are three houses, which are all my neighbours, who are extrememly noisy. The young kids play on the streets until 10 at night and 11 in the
And many more move because they don't want to live in a multicultural hell hole. Its a phenomena known as White-flight. and it is so apparent the word is in the Dictionary. About time Politician done some thing about it.
I must admit I want to move because where I live used to be nice and now we have chav's moving in. Firstly there are the loud over weight family of 6 who live in a 3 bed house who fail to cut their grass and have a back garden full of rabbit droppings, then there is the guy who recently moved in also across the road that thinks he owns the parking spaces and moans then there is the witch next door who believes we jointly own her fence and complains at anything!!!
i have a neigbour who said i had taken his parking spot when i was allocated a disabled bay , he has tried everything in his power to try to drive us out , and we are supposed to be in sheltered accommodation ,
I live on a new development that has just one parking space per house in my cul de sac plus an additional four visitor spaces. It states clearly on our deeds that the visitors spaces are not to be used by anyone on a permanant basis. One of my neighbours has four cars so regularly takes up their own space plus three visitors spaces. Another neighbour has commandeered the fourth visitor space for their second car. I get really peed off when my 87 year old father visits each week and has to park three roads away and totter unsteadily to my house while fit young people take up all the spaces close to the houses. I have to put a cone in my own space when I go out as if I don't there is a car in it when I return. Some people have no consideration for others.
We have a very good relationship with our next door neighbour, she lives on her own, not frail mind, whenever we are going to have a party/BBQ which we know could be a relatively loud affair we let her know and if she doesn't accept the invite we always extend to her she disappears to a relatives for the night. I recently repaired the fence between us, she found out how much it cost and insisted in paying half. We may not talk over the fence like the older times but we live in harmony.
some people just don't care and are incredibly selfish. We bought our dream home at Christmas after saving for years. Since moving in we've been made miserable by the barking of next door's dogs. The dogs dictate what time we wake up at every morning (lie ins are impossible), they prevent us sitting out in our own garden and often they're so loud they give us headaches. We politely spoke to the neighbours about the problem three times, we wrote to them twice and we even gave them a cheque to pay for an anti-barking collar (which they refused to use). Even though these people know they're making us utterly miserable they just don't give a damn. I find it really hard to understand how people can be so horrible to others and prioritise their dogs over the peace of their neighbours, but they have. A sad example of the incredibly selfish manner in which many people live these days. - MinnieMoo, Warrington, 28/7/2011 08:40 You can go to the Council with this complaint
Oldham Council have passed off all their Council properties to a private landlord called FIrst Choice Homes and the immediate effect of not having a letting policy has destroyed my area within the last six months!
As the old saying “Too many rats…” spring to mind – we are an island and too over populated, planners, architects and councils have been allowed for far too long to squeeze too many dwellings into too small a space without room to engage in daily activities, or homes built that are fit for purpose, for example, for bringing up children. We need to reform planning and home standards, including the space needed to have any quality of life. The symptoms described in the article of warring neighbours are a direct result of very bad planning and management. The blame lies with our Leaders.
I agree that the problem is top down as Government in all its forms is box ticking and authoritive. Peoples daily lives are wrecked by excessive personal harassment at work or by just trying moving about. Everywhere there are florescent jackets which means somebody can tell you what to do. Councils have powers beyond there requirements and operate as fiefdoms. Once elected politicians rarely touch the earth again. No one now feels anyone gives a dam about them.
My mum's neighbours have 4-5 cars & have converted their garage to a utility room & can only get one on their front garden. The rest are parked outside other people's houses. They have visitors most days so that can be 2-3 more cars. Trying to park anywhere near my mum's house is a nightmare. She is lucky as she has room for three cars on her drive. (The neighbours would too). They also moan that the (30 year old!) fence is rotting & want my mum to go halves on it.
Twice I've been glad to move but stopped short of having a row with my ex-neighbors because of disclosure laws when selling. The first bunch consisted of a family with 3 boys who had no respect for my car or property and despite having a large back garden which the lazy slug of a father refused to mow, their feral kids played football in the street denting my car and smashing my outside lights. Not an apology or offer to pay for the damage caused but the usual 'its not my problem' approach from those on benefits. My next neighbors had a common access path running down the side of their garden for two other houses including mine. They illegally decided to incorporate this path into their garden by blocking it off with a gate. Again, I had to walk on egg shells to get a letter clearly stating that this was a common access path to avoid selling issues. Now thank goodness, I now have Spanish neighbors who are very considerate and we all get along fine.
I would love to move to get away from my noisy neighbours, but with house prices as they are I can't afford to put my house on the market for a pittance, so I suppose I'll just have to sit it out and hope one day I'll get some sleep before 1 a.m.
Just far too many people now living in this little island...
I prefer to have as little as possible to do with neighbours. Like your family, you can't choose them. I have my own friends and my own life, why should I have to include these people in my life, just because of the proximity of their house to mine? I have made that mistake in the past and some of them have turned out to be complete psychos. Anyway, people move around so often that there is no emotional attachment to any particular area on their part, so there is not much point forming this big cuddly community of people who have nothing in common apart from the fact they all live in the same street. All I ask is that they keep the noise down and respect the parking space outside my house and I will extend them the same courtesy.
I have had problem neighbours over the years. Characteristics that are common are first of all a general lack of education and with that goes not much intelligence plus poor social skills. Mix that up with an attitude of "I can do anything I like" and considerate, law abiding, polite people have had it.
Some neighbours are intolerant of any noise at all. I have a friend whose neighbour knocked on her door to complain about the amount of noise my friends little daughter was making while she was hosting a tea party for her dolls in the garden. I expect this person, like a lot of people, just enjoys complaining.
These disputes shouldnt be allowed to get out of hand, peoples lives shouldnt be ruined by other selfish idiots The councils have proceedures in place but things should be done much quicker. NO one deserves to live in misery!
People do not care because the government do not care. Bring back the law that governed this country 70 years ago when the police, parents and school teachers taught children respect, consideration and courtesy towards others. I know because I was brought up in those years.
What part of "Britain is overcrowded" dont you get?
Totally agree with the comment above - some people just don't care and are incredibly selfish. We bought our dream home at Christmas after saving for years. Since moving in we've been made miserable by the barking of next door's dogs. The dogs dictate what time we wake up at every morning (lie ins are impossible), they prevent us sitting out in our own garden and often they're so loud they give us headaches. We politely spoke to the neighbours about the problem three times, we wrote to them twice and we even gave them a cheque to pay for an anti-barking collar (which they refused to use). Even though these people know they're making us utterly miserable they just don't give a damn. I find it really hard to understand how people can be so horrible to others and prioritise their dogs over the peace of their neighbours, but they have. A sad example of the incredibly selfish manner in which many people live these days.
I have foul incinsiderate neighbours who have frequent loud parties. Christmas was a nightmare when the parents went off on holiday leaving their rabid teenagers behind who turned the house into a nightclub for other scumbag locals. They only care about their own selfish and debauched existence. I was delighted when the scumbag father lost his job recently and the lack of money has slowed their drunken lifestyles. I am selling up soon and hope to find a buyer with several loud teenagers into rap music, numerous yapping dogs and penchant for late night boozing accompanied by very loud music that would be fantastic.
It is time we put 'being a good neighbour' on the national curriculum. I have learnt to be more tolerant over the years, though I have always tried to be considerate of my own neighbours. The new rules relaxing planning permission laws have not helped, permitting building that impinges on a neighbour's home, and more dense housing. Also more wealth has led to people buying more and more intrusive items particularly for their gardens which neighbours may find unpleasant. Lots of cars, caravans, barbecues, trees, toys, dogs, cats, stereos - the list is endless. Your child screaming at the top of its voice may be music to your ears - but to no-one else's. Adults should be able to discuss problems to see if the difficulty is resolvable. Sometimes people do not realise they are upsetting their neighbours. This discussion needs to take place before people get seriously irate. A mix of tolerance and consideration. It could be part of the citizenship curriculum in school.
I have reached the conclusion that many do not wish others to know their business, or have petty reasons. There are so many out there operating little 'dodges' on the side, then there are those who 'only deal in cash', the ones on benefits who never intend to work. These are only some reasons but the one which stopped my neighbour speaking to me was 'insecurity'. A couple moved in pretending to be married and were not. The 'husband' was on benefits so was about quite a lot which meant we passed the time of day if we happened to cross each other's paths. Having worked in a male dominated industry it was second nature to chat to men, without any designs on them (purely because few match up with my 'requirements'). I'm used to 'suits', not gold chains, tattoos etc. or indeed benefit claimants...but was simply neighbourly. In her tiny mind the woman decided I was 'after' him and since that day none of the 'family' have spoken and told everyone they do not speak. Still wondering....
As in every aspect of life it is about consideration and trying to communicate. One of the most frequent complaints is about unnecessary bonfires, often lit when it is obvious the washing is hung out. People also go ahead and construct intrusive conservatories and extensions without first talking to neighbours about what they propose. Even if the planners have no objections the neighbours often have, and a few little tweaks can mean good relations for years or ongoing hostility. Think of others, not just yourselves.
People should come to Ammerland in northern Germany then. When I moved in there was a welcoming party of all my neighbours outside, clutching a bottle of champagne and a rose tree. We all know each other and there is a great community spirit in this region - as I am sure there is in many parts of the country.
With any luck my neighbour will move shortly, I sent him to Coventry a few months back and I am looking forward to him actually moving there, or anywhere else away from me. If I can buy his house I will be able to knock it down and, by combining it with a small part of my vast garden I will be able to put up a dozen flats - money for old rope what what so I am afraid that I have had to be a tad incivil with the young chap and his family to get him to leave. I expect he will be a tad surprised when I buy his house, though obviously I will use a nominee All the best Dave
Renting is one of the causes leading to high turnover of residents so nobody gets to know the neighbours and private "social" landlords who take in social cases in private areas leading to areas being brought down by the "dregs" of society. Social (us through taxes) are paying the high rents directly to these Rachman type landlords who couldnt care less about the problems it causes for the neighbours because they are getting very rich at everybody else's expense. This big social experiment of trying to integrate the social misfits into society at the expense of everybody is not working. They used to live in council houses on sink estates - still the best place for them!
It all boils down to people just don't care anymore as they are brought up with no manners and to have no respect for anyone at all
there is a more in depth report on this sad situation, in the guardian there are to many people trying to get political gain out of the lives of two children,if and when you read the report think! would I be happy ,would you be happy if you were fostering a child with this threat over you and your neighbours. the blood relatives of these children were not good parents in any way. And it was to protect the children and the foster parents this action was taken.It is in the guardian under UKip row:multiple reasons children taken from Rotherham foster parents(fri 30 nov
why does everyone assume that the parents are good parents? is it because of their public sob story? there may be a few instances where innocent families have children taken away but if people looked after their kids properly we wouldn't need social services, we'll never know the real reasons surrounding this case as the details will be confidential. I'm really sick of people bashing social workers, if they don't take kids into care they're criticised if they do they're criticised. I say this as a former child who was taken into care, thank god they did as I probably wouldn't be here now!
Methinks we not getting the full picture here. I fully support assisting families who are seeking sanctuary for their own safety But we cannot accomodate a never ending flow of people seeking benefit.
all social workers are repulsive individuals with know idea of the damage they do they make the gestapo look like angels.
It's like the witchcraft trials all over again! This has nothing to do with if they are Roma or Slovak! I am a British born and bred Father and when my ex went alcoholic social services were involved without my knowledge. When I did find out, I removed my 2 daughters from the house and had them living with me for 6 months, during which time Social Services treated me like the abusive parent that was my ex and telephoned constsntly called daily, visited without appointment, asking me how I was coping etc. All they were interested in was keeping the girls in the "family unit" and returning them to an alchoholic mother. Social Services get it wrong Time after Time after Time!
"Parents who talk publicly about what happens there ¿ even to their MPs ¿ have been sent to prison." Has the British justice system officially lost it's mind? Don't bother answering that, we all know it has. Close friend of mine, a social worker with more then 20 years experience, has recently quit his job, because he is no longer able to go on seeing the terrible injustice carried by the Social Services. He was in charge of a case where little 4 year old girl has been severely abused (sexually, physically and emotionally) by her stepfather. He had the child removed from her home and placed with nice, safe and loving family. My friend's supervisor ordered the child to go back to her parents, knowing full well what has been happening to this child. The step father also said to my friend:" Just wait what I will do to her when I get her back." How can this go on?! How?! What are the the Social Services thinking? I cried so much for this girl I don't even know. I hope, just hope she is OK.
Social workers abruptly moved the children from the foster couple because they considered that their support of the anti-EU party, which attracted nearly one million votes at the last election, made them incapable of fulfilling the East European youngsters¿ ¿cultural and ethnic needs¿. "Cultural and ethnic needs"? What the hell does that is that EVEN SUPPOSED TO MEAN? It doesn't actually mean anything. Ask whoever made this horrendous decision what exactly "Cultural and ethnic needs" are and they'll most likely be unable to give you a proper answer.
i agree that children should be looked after properly, but different cultures gave different views, I feel that all migrants that do do comply with our way of life should go home with their children, it is for their own goverment to deal with these problems, or not. We have a financial crisis, housing, health care, all our infrastracture is braking up. We have high unemployment. Mr Cameron was shocked his words not mine, he went to two factories as asked what ratio to british workers they were employing one said 60% the other 50% europeans, and our people are out of work, and it will get no better as more join the union. If this how we want to live vote lab/con/lib or vote UKIP at least we may have a fighting chance. When there are jobs for our people than you can turn around and say, to work you will go. At the moment to get a job is minimal. Imigration is also holding down wages no wonder big business want to stay in the EU you dont cut off your nose to spite. vote UKIP .
EMR, Beds Do grow up!
I agree that you can not let children wander the street or go to work and leave them. I think anybody does that should be sent back home with their children they have perhaps different way of life, different ethos. I respect their way of thinking but not here. We are picking up the tabs. We have a financial cisis. and council are paying for things that is not really in our national interest. We have a housing cisis, health care crisis. we are giving money abroad which we borrow. It beggars belief where are politions are coming from, the live in cloud cuckoo land. Vote UKIP
This is what happens when the actions of the state are not open to scrutiny by the press.
oh goodie, another social services story veryone can ignore and do nothing about
The sooner we get ourselves out of the EU the better. If they come here for a better life then they have to adopt our ways and culture. - Marie1797, Beyond The Pale, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 2:25 They should adopt our ways and culture? So you are saying that rich immigrants should start avoiding tax? Middle class immigrants should start drinking every day? Those who don't want to work should start claiming as much as possible from the benefits system? Why would you want immigrants to adopt those values?
absolute disgrace and a shocking waste of tax payers money. S.Services wallow in the power and independance they enjoy, staff are predominantly extreme left wing socialists - based on the political views of the majority of social care graduates, there are none so extreme as the righteous in their viewpoints. Yet as socialists they enjoy capitalist benefits, generous salaries, pensions, sick pay, holidays, etc. Most take multiple weeks sick leave - stress is a great excuse. I would repatriate all the families and return them to their own country. long term I would disband the bulk of S.Services powers and cut numbers to the bone. 60 years ago everybody survived without these socialist institutions, we survived without any welfare benefits also.
Why does the free press not print the truth. Answer, the word free is propaganda.
I've got to the stage where being classed as a 'racist' for wanting immigration controlled and stopped doesn't bother me. Shame! - tested121 , Birmingham, 07/12/2012 13:02 Probably because you say things like 'controlled and stopped' showing that you don't even know what your own argument is. What is it, controlled or stopped? From an observers point of view it just sounds racist when you don't put any reasoning behind an argument that you don't even clarify. The anti-immigration brigade do make themselves sound very stupid sometimes and discredit their own argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for an open door policy, I'm for an intelligent debate about it, which does not involve racism or stupid sweeping comments.
The secret modus operandi of the family courts and all connected to them. Subject to NO PUBLIC SCRUTINY under the disgraceful cloak the secrecy 'apparently necessitates'. I wouldn't like to especially comment of the details of this case - but I believe ALL family courts should be open - just like a criminal court. If children have been badly treated or neglected by their parents then they will be able to see the court records in the fullness of time. Similarly they will be able to see whether or not parents or close kin fought to keep them. It will also give parents ( and children) the public ability to question the so-called experts which are used to give evidence. There have been many cases - too many - where the evidence - particularly medical - has been discredited or simply not been looked into correctly. And how much is derived through vexatious accusation? How would you disprove?
'who have been sexually abused by street grooming gangs, mainly of Pakistani heritage.' Just chuck in another completely unrelated, racially provocative statement for absolutely no reason why don't you.
Racist and Marxist! A deadly combination.
Evidence provided by "Paid Experts" should automatically be treated as tainted, or better still payments to witnesses should be made illegal and attract a custodial sentence for both payer and paid.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Good point. However when you live in a country, you must follow the laws of that country. End of.
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 7/12/2012 10:46----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are not wrong about some of the comments in DM stemming from racism, but the overall comments reflect the wide spectrum of views in Britain. There is racism in all nations: E.g. In Germany there are Extreme Right-Wing groups going around murdering non-Germans, burning down Immigrant hostels and targetting Immigrant community centres on a day & night basis with abuse, obscenity and assault - - that level of violence is very rare in the UK. Maybe you haven't looked too closely at the German situation - - whatever the level, all racism is wrong, but debate in a newspaper prompted by children taken into care is surely a healthy exercise, how else can issues be resolved in a Democracy?
As always with these cases, conclusions have been jumped to without knowing the full facts of the case. One cannot expect the father to give a balanced summary of the facts and the local authority is not allowed to comment on individual cases. Contrary to poplular belief, local authorities don't remove children to fill some mythological quota or on a whim. Care proceedings and the provision of permanent accommodation for children in the aftermath of those proceedings costs tens of thousands of pounds per child. Although this doesn't fit comfortably with all you conspiracy theorists out there, there are generally very good reasons to justify the expense of bringing care proceedings.
So tired of our country being a "Kinder Care" for every race in the world. The pop them out, bring them to Britain and we have the responsibility to take care of them. Stop it for goodness sake.
Everybody reading this should just take a moment to consider that the social workers involved cannot defend themselves because they are bound by rules of confidentiality. Common sense should tell you that there is more to this story than meets the eye. The legal system in this country does not allow social workers to remove children from their families without EVIDENCE that meets the threshold criteria of 'significant harm'. I am sick of stories that suggest that social workers can march into people's homes and walk out with their children....they can't !!. There is a legal framework to be followed and the Social Services Dept involved in this case cannot publish the evidence they have for removing these children. So they are easy targets aren't they DM ?
Rotherham concil- uneducated racists simples!!
What is there to debate about this case, give the children back- then sack the whole of the social services and the labour council. None of those involved in these actions against this family are fit to be called human beings. Lack of understanding of ethnic minorities ways is the root cause of this by blinkered hypocritical zealous stazi-minded thought police. I am thoroughly ashamed to be known as a UK citizen.
Removing children from their natural parent(s) should be the absolute LAST resort, and before any action at all is taken all the parties involved (children included) should have to appear before a judge to plead their case. The ONLY possible exception should be where a child needs to be removed as a matter of urgency because it is being seriously physically abused, and even then the abuse should be certified by at least 2 independent doctors.As it is now, children can be snatched from their parents and placed in care or even adopted. Heaven knows what the long-term psychological effects of this are, but I doubt that they will be good. This MUST be weighed against the disadvantages of leaving the child in the home it's used to with its parents or foster parents. Ridiculous criteria like what political party they vote for should NOT in a million years be cause for removal..
Some people are so narrow-minded..common if you don't believe in all this go on you tube, tipe social services forced adoption etc and see! It happened not just to Slovak or Roma families, not even just European (there are hundreds of stories from Latvian, Polish families etc) but to your own British. I was crying to see a mobile phone video from Christmas eve family gathering when two police man and one social service man came and forcefully took a boy around 10 years old...it is disgusting! Councils are paid money for each adopted child and to take kids from EU family members is just so easy way to earn. Thats why all hearings are closed and parents are warned not to talk to press, otherwise jail! Open your eyes! You all saying take your kids go back to your country. Ha! They would do anything to get kids back and go wherever from here, but no one will give them their kids back! It is all just money and no one cares about broken families whichever nationalities they are.
I swear I would not be in the least bit surprised to have MPs respond to any question about immigration with - yeah but ... no but ... yeah but .....'
What I would really like to know is what happened to the investigation on the Council, it's all gone quiet. Come on DM where are with this? If this gets brushed under the carpet I for one will be very unhappy.
Maybe the cheapest option would be to ship the personnel of the social services department to an Eastern European state,although with their records they would probably not be allowed entry......! Whatever happens, can we re-start the department from scratch with all new people including the typist and office cleaning staff. Nothing could be worse than the current one.
What a state this country is in! UKIP members providing a loving home for children of Eastern European citizens that Labour's thought police have stolen from their parents. The same Labour that invited these people into our country in the first place, simply "to rub the Tories noses in diversity". Never vote Labour or Tory again they have destroyed this country between them.
There is something deeply disturbing happening in this country when your kid,s can be taken away on someone's whim, the parents are gagged from talking about it and the court hearing are behind sealed doors
They take children away from a loving enviroment yet fail to protect young girls from preditor gangs. Well done Rotherham LABOUR council.
"We end up with mongeral culturism. A complete mish mash of cultures with no identity. - rob, Nottingham, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 12:37" Which is EXACTLY what the cultural Marxists, such as New Labour, the EU, the Bilderbergers, etc., want. It is easier to control people who have no identity or allegiance.
"They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist. - John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 9:36" Surely all the liberal, lefty, luvvie views you post would be better suited to The Guardian?
In a lot of cases social workers cause more problems than they solve. overpaid self important incompetents!
When my son was at primary school, he had a Roma classmate. I got to know something of him when he invited himself to my son's birthday party [he arrived in class that day with a lavish gift and pressed me to let him come]. He was a nice boy, but precocious. He knew no boundaries, behaving with the authority of an adult in our home, so I was relieved when the time came and I was able to offer him a lift home. He chattered in the car on the way. His way of life was - indeed - very different from ours. At eight years old he was already out to work at weekends with his dad, who worked as a painter. The family was mother, father and 10 children and they lived in pretty cramped social housing. The eldest sister, at 16, was already married with a baby. The boy expected to marry at 16 like his sister. There was no sign he was mistreated - he just came from a very different culture, similar - it would seem - to that of the Rotherham family.
After all is said and done, UKIP are not racist, the social workers were wrong and any lib lab or con supporter has no leg to stand on if they criticise UKIP.
First lets applaud the Slovakian Goverment for getting involved in the Surrey case. Did you all know however that the Slovakian Goverment (and by extension believe me the people) have been hauled over the coals by the EU many times for their institutionalised treatment of Slovakian Roma. This is a common thread in all Central and Eastern European Countries. So no surprise they leave if they can. Canada has even had to stop them entering so many wanted to go there. However the Roma do have a different way of life and some customs are OK and some are not. Because of their lack of employment, social acceptance and pure racial discrimination they are used to living on the very margins of society and thus have a lifestyle very different to the British. This does not make them bad parents. There are plenty of low brow knuckle dragging examples of the British species. Educate them not harass them.
The most sinister aspect of all this is the fact that families are not allowed to talk to the press. I'm not sure what the official reasons for this are -- perhaps to prevent children from running back home? Whatever they are, this will surely have the effect of shielding the authorities and family courts from criticism which is not proper in an open society. It will cause all kinds of hidden injustices to grow and fester.
In the same way we know if we go to Saudi Arabia and kiss in public we will get arrested others must realise that if they want to live here they abide by our laws.
A solution to such a problem which causes the British taxpayer £40,000 per child a year and causes the parents to be disgruntled and want to go back to Slovakia, is to ALLOW THEM TO GO BACK with ALL THEIR CHILDREN. This will : - make the parents and the children and grandchildren very happy to be all together and the responsibility of THEIR Country's government; - it will go a long way to benefitting the dire financial situation of the UK and NOT BE A BURDEN ON THE BRITISH TAXPAYER. The next step is to GET OUT OF THE EU.
Perhaps Slovakia could ensure that their people do not have to come to another country. Unless of course they find it quite convenient to have another country pay for their people. Child benefit must be something out of their dreams with such large families. - Kirstie, Chatham, 7/12/2012 12:33 ---- Good point, but the government seems to be doing everything what it can to cope with the Roma indifference to society, which is not easy to say the least. It¿s true that the educated Roma is a rare sight in Slovakia. Many even do not speak Slovak and yes Roma mothers tend not to send their children to school (where they could learn Slovak, become educated and break their poverty). After what we have experienced, I think it's better to let them find a better world where to live.
The council workers involved must be sacked and not allowed to work for social services ever again. It would be interesting to know who they are and hear how they made such bad decisions
For the benefit of the hard of thinking and ill informed commenters on here - immigrants from other EU countries are not allowed to vote in General Elections in this country (except Ireland) therefore irrespective of whether they shoud have let them in or not - LABOUR DID NOT LET THEM IN BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD VOTE LABOUR!
It is such a difficult choice..Stay in their homes with their families...... ,where one child may have roamed at night, my Auntie who lived till she was 97 went out at night when she was young and no one in the family knew till she told her niece when she was in her late 80's.She was fine......or let them be taken by the SS and put in camps/government compounds/childrens homes call them what you like, where they could be sexually exploited or goodness knows what and permanently damaged. That's a difficult choice isn't it? This man appears to want to leave the country .Give him his family back and let him go home. Our own homegrown SS seems to have lost its reason .It needs a complete overhaul.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site. - sjh, Southampton, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 11:27 Off you go then sjh, be a foster carer to 4 teenagers who qualify for the high end allowance. These will be teenagers who have been in trouble with the police since a very young age and will steal all your knick knacks or so screwed up they will probably smash your house to pieces. I know I've done it.
Children are always removed from birth parents by social services with good reason. DM say exactly why judges found it reasonable to allow these removals! Don't be one sided! Treat your readers with more respect please!
Thank you DM for bringing this to the public's notice . It needs serious investigation, councils have far too much power and the council members and officers are not th brightest people on the block, just the pushiest.
Playing the racism card. Makes me sick. The sooner we separate from the EU the better. This cannot be good for 'Broken Britain's FAILING ECONOMY'. The more I read the more I wonder what this country is going to be like in 50 years time. What a mess!
Oh the joys of unfettered immigration! As if we didn't have enough social problems of yuour own-we import them en masse.I despair.
Social workers do more harm than good, that is a simple statement of fact. Social Workers should be replaced by panels of level headed members of the local community who are not politically correct and can help families in a sensible manner and not a repressive intimidating one.
There is now provision for Communities & Local Government to take over planning authority functions if they do not perform to an acceptable standard. It is high time that applied to entire local authorities. We could start with those authorities that have ignored government instructions to cut their spending and who have increased charges for local services instead.
There have been racial tensions between Slovaks and Czechs for years but they´ve maintained a balance of peacefull co-existance. Now the EU provides unfettered access to the UK welfare system where Slovak, culture , behaviour and way of life are unacceptable to the majority of British people. Blame this useless government and the EU and be prepared for a lot more of these stories when further rights for child support and a raft of other UK benefits kicks in for Eastern European countries on 1st January 2013
Racism is an OPINION , Racism is ILLEGAL, therefore by that judgment having an opinion is ILLEGAL !!!!!
If you're white, English and working class/poor, you're essentially screwed. London is already not a place for you if you are in that demographic, and I see many large cities and towns are going to become that way as well.
Aparenbtly the house was 'over run with mice'....Better that than over run with rats from the social services !!!.
God save us from all -isms
The secret child courts are a disgrace to any civilised nation, and seem to have very little concern for the needs and wishes of the children. The care system is even worse. We cannot improve the care of vulnerable children if everything is clouded in secrecy, and making it illegal for a family to even seek help from their MP is surely an abuse of their human rights? If we allow these people to come and settle here, why are they not taught about our laws? If they are found to be doing something which is both illegal and stupid, like leaving young children home alone, they should be told why it is wrong, what they should do and monitored to be sure they do it. A child should only be taken from its home if there is definite evidence of abuse - ruling out medical reasons for any symptoms - or severe neglect. Also less severe neglect if the family will not improve after help is given. These youngsters have been separated not only from their parents but also from each other. Very sad
Did anyone see and hear the glib, robotic Labour Rotheram Council apparatchik on TV, mealy mouthing about multi culturalism and childrens' so called "Ethnic needs" etc etc as a reason for tearing already displaced and insecure kids away from a loving home, in which they have flourished, simply because of their parents' political beliefs. Since when are political leanings illegal? and are these children not now British citizens whose needs were being met by wonderful foster parents? And if a disproportionate number of Roma children are being taken from parents and placed in British foster care, how is that meeting their so called ethnic needs? They can't have it both ways!! GIVE THE KIDS BACK TO THE FOSTER PARENTS NOW-I would even contribute to a fund to fight the case for the couple in court and sue the Rotherham Marxists. What is Cameron doing about this? There should be an investigation with council heads sacked and their multicultural manifesto shoved where the sun don't shine!
Well, if people from European union countries come to live in Britain then they have to abide by OUR childcare laws. This includes not letting children aged 2 walk the streets and not leaving children under the age of 12 alone when working. This may be acceptable childcare practice (though I don't know really if it is) in other countries but not in Britain. the parents may see this as racism but maybe it is a bit more complicated than that. It is not right to leave very young children to fend for themselves with no adult supervision and in this country it is law, but maybe these (loving) parents genuinely do not see anything wrong in their behavior. And this whole mess is a direct result of European unions laws on allowing people from other countries live and work in Britain. If anybody from this country went to work in a European union country we would have to abide by the laws of that country, and that would be perfectly acceptable as well.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Newsflash it is out of hand and it is likely to get worse.
Not knowing the social workers' reasons for taking these children into care, I can't really comment. However, I will make the following general point: The ideologically-driven action against the foster parents must inevitably raise questions about social workers' judgement and therefore, also inevitably, make one wonder whether the decision to take the children into care in the first place was completely sound.
The father said he came here to work..so is he working? Or living off the state?
Another mis representing article, at the end of the day, they left their kids at home on their own when they went to work on night shifts. While some info in the artical is interesting. You simply can not leave little kids at home on their own just because its expectable in another country,if they don't like our laws, leave. Simple ...
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Haven't you noticed Soph that immigration has been out of hand for around 40 years now!!
For all you non-believers out there, it nearly happened to my family. We are a normal, loving family. We were lucky. For some innocent families they are unable to obtain justice because of the secret nature of the Family Courts. Every now and then there is a major story, then it all goes away and nothing is ever done. Can you imagine being innocent and having your children taken away?
Britain CANNOT continue to take in the discontented or displaced people of all the world. This country is creaking to a stop - everybody except Cameron and Osborne knows that. And, to be fair, the Labour Party are guilty for letting the crowds in in the first place.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 ................................ It got out of hand 15 years ago, but anyone who dared, or dares to critisise this open door policy is branded a racist, a looney, or a bigot, and that is just by our politicians. The people of this country were warned time and time again and choose to ignore it. Now we really are all in this together
some children were sent back to live with famlyy members ? next question WHO IS PAYING?. i bet i know the answer
Seriously, reading the DM Online makes me wonder why anyone would want to live in the UK let alone move there...!
Gawd, the money this must be costing. No wonder lefties claim that Britain "needs" immigrants - lots more jobs for social workers and the like.
wiseman , Chelmsford, Essex. Kids here in Romania are part of the Family, not just something for Christmas. (If they are even that lucky). All the Orphans were here because the former Dictator banned birth control and anyone using it got a minimum of 12 Months hard labour. Result, Parents unable to care for their Children and he didn't give a darn, so they got put into State run Orphanages. Learn your History before you start criticising those who are correct. Thanks for all the red arrows you all will give me for this People.
it's not just them suffering this problem....we are english, my daughter has just had her 4th took away...why...because she is dyslexic and isn't able to read bedtime stories and school books to the children...and both parents have arthritis....apparantly this means the children will be left caring for the parents by the time they're 12...what a load of b-----s.........social services is run by a bunch of little hitlers with their own agenda and unfortunately i'm not allowed to put my true thoughts into print.
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand. - Soph , Dorset, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10..............................Sadly, Soph, It's already out of hand, our once proud nation is steadily sinking into the cesspit that our governments over the years have created
These are the kind of things that go on when you set targets for local authorities in sensitive areas such as fostering and adoption. Unfortunately the welfare of children then takes third place in the priorities of our social service departments, behind meeting those targets and pandering to the politically correct views of social workers. This has led to an increase in cases where children are forcibly removed from their parents, and the details then kept quiet from the public through the use of secret family courts. The whole situation is more like something you would have expected in the former East German republic which, unlike this country, is now become a more civilized society
As of December 31st.....rules change and they all have free entry in England....then what.....
This is a direct fault of Blair's open door policy allowing too many people form different countries live together, all with different attitudes to life, different customs, different religions, different values, and different ideas of how to bring up children. But most of all in this case it is fully the fault of Rotherham social services, for using UKIP as an excuse, which is now a racial problem brought on by themselves.
The Roma are one of the most persecuted ethnic groups in history. They are culturally resistant to assimilating to surrounding cultures, so end up being persecuted for their differences. If they took on the beliefs and culture of the surrounding areas, there very quickly would be no Roma culture left to preserve. Look up European AntiZiganism online. Put it this way, black members of the community were legally marginalised for many years, but it is still common for Roma (and other travellers) to be excluded purely on the basis of their culture. Crime rates of previously marginalised cultures do tend to be higher, perpetuating the stereotype.
'..The council has encouraged them to adopt British ways by sending their children to school..' Er, did they also point out that it's a legal requirement?
And whilst this council is removing children from more than likely loving homes, they will leave a child in a house where it is being abused because 'children are better off with their mothers'. If the couples house was full of mice, then why did the council house them in it? or why not give them the support they need to get the house mouseless. And I cannot see any justification for them taking away the newborn of the 17yr old, who is married and has her own home with her husband. But they'll quite happily leave a newborn with its mother of 13 because she's young and needs help and is british. I am the first to admit that it bugs they hell out of me that immigrants get treated far better and quicker than the country's own, but I would never condone the treatment these people have received, that because the council don't like their heritage they shouldn't keep their chidren. I think this council needs to hang its head in racist shame.
Would it not make more sense and be a lot cheaper if these children where adopted in Slovakia
Once again Social workers damned if they do something and damned if they don't. Social Services do not 'steal children' away from their parents. They take them into care for theirr own safety / well being.. I don't believe for one minute Social Workers took the children on a whim and they must have had a very very good reason for removing the children from an obviously very unsuitable environment. The way they treat their children in their homeland may differ from the way they are expected to treat their offspring in the UK. Well done Rotherham Social Services. Has anyone any idea what it costs this country to provide interpreters for all these families coming to the UK and who do not speak a word of English? I am not a racist just a concerned Brit who is watches this country go steadily downhill.
Secret courts with no transparency, medical experts for hire who may never have examined the child, an incredible 500 children a week taken into a care system which has let so many children down? What is happening to this country? How has this taken place without an outcry from ordinary people? Can it be because there is an agenda to promote this and keep it hidden from us? If so where are the decent and courageous MPs who will fight to expose and oppose it? Let's hope that recent events do not emasculate the press who should also be exposing this.
The Good Ship Britannia is sunk under the weight of bureaucracy fermented by uncontrolled immigration. Time to jump ship to somewhere a bit more "Christian"........Serbia would have been nice.....but we bombed the hell out of it......probably for not accepting multi-culturalism.
The immigrants who are beneficial for this country is non-refugee, legal migrants from outside EU. For five years they cannot claim any benefits, they only contribute to this country. Last summer the visa fee is increased by 50% for highly skilled migrants. For a family with two kids it costs 4500 pounds for a two year visa. They cannot claim any benefits, pay extraordinary visa fee,but taxed like anybody else in this country. Not all migrants are same.
This council and their social workers simply need to be sacked.
Their children should be returned to them, after which, they should be sent home to their own country.
If they want to let their two year old children wander the streets in the early hours they should go back to Slovakia. The Rotherham social services have gone up in my estimation. - Catherine Armstrong , Lincoln, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 12:10 Click to rate     Rating (0) Report abuse -------- Where does it say it was a two year old......nowhere
Rotherham Social Services are on the record that they took the children from the foster parents because of the foster parents political affiliation. This reasoning does call into question whether the original justification for taking the children into care from the Slovak parents was based on legitimate child protection grounds. John Hemming is correct to suggest that perhaps these families should be returned to their country of origin rather than be broken up on the basis of mis-aligned cultural judgements - or more precisely prejudice. The sinister aspect of the actions of the council in this case can be imputed from the statistics on the number of foster care children which 'vanish' each year without trace or follow up search. As the US State department reports, domestic trafficking in children is a problem in the UK, and the UK is a significant end-point country for that trade.
there is free movement of wokers and labour - not free movement for social security. Trust me if you went to slovakia, you would not even get healthcare - no matter how much you moaned that you are from the EU.
I don't believe this story, the fact that the social workers still stand by there decision means they have good proof to remove these kids. - Hally, UK, 7/12/2012 8:58 >>>>>>>>>>> You`ve obviously never been a victim of SS.
I've got to the stage where being classed as a 'racist' for wanting immigration controlled and stopped doesn't bother me. Shame!
SonofBoudicca , Cardiff, United Kingdom ----- That's the problem though, SOME Roma peope do commit crime, as do SOME white British people, SOME black people etc. It's not fair to stereotype based on this. I'm from a Roma family, I don't steal, I don't commit crimes, I went to school until I was 18, I have a degree from one of the world's most prestigious Universities, I'm out of work at the moment due to ill health and disability but do voluntary work in my local community to build myself back up. I have a wonderful non Romani boyfriend who I hope to marry one day. Just because some people who happen to commit crimes happen to share my ethnic background doesn't mean it's ok for people to make lazy stereotypes about me and my family! It's like saying the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves because some of them had dodgy business practices in Germany. We need to judge people on their character, not the colour of their skin, or their ethnic background.
Mary london. You are so right i worked with vunerable and dysfunctional people and i absolutely loved my job but, after 6 years i threw the towel in. The bosses at the top were even more dysfunctional than the people i worked with but the frightening difference is these at the top had the power and nobody to stop them.
We need a different Government and a thorough overhaul of Social Services with added independent scrutiny on their actions and practices. No state system should have autonomy! No state system should have the backing of "private" courts, (namely family courts) without accountability, because things can and do go wrong! What is overwhelmingly obvious, is that overall, there has been a dreadful abuse of power; simply because too much power has been allocated without accountability! Yes children are harmed and we need to protect them, but we also need to ensure that the innocent are protected against, lies, dishonesty, constructive engineering to prove a case and even sometimes perjury! Parliament is at best both weak and ineffective, it has created the laws and the family courts for the right reasons, whilst not acknowledging that the power of these institutions can be used for all the wrong reasons! This is disgusting and so our Mp's for allowing this!~
Makes me think of enforced removal of Aboriginal children right up until the late 1960s.
Different countries have different attitudes. I had to tell a young highly educated Czech family that they must under no circumstances follow their usual custom of leaving their small sleeping children alone in the house while they went out to dinner for an hour or so. ... This is proof how ignorant you are when it comes to a EUROPEAN not Eastern Euro country like the Czech Republic. This is not normal in the Czech Republic and the family you refer to might be of Roma origin which have completely different customs than average Czech people. Don't make us look exotic or anything else, We were building cathedrals when you brits were shivering around the mirracle of fire with nothing to eat. I haven't seen anything that was build or design in Britain whilst Czechs design, construct and build high quality engineering products.
Secret courts are there to protect Local Council Soviets from anyone seeing how vile they are.
The stupid residents of Rotherham keep voting in the same clowns in and get the governance they deserve.. - Mike, Leeds---------------------------------------------------That's because Mike there's a massive amount of immigrants in Rotherham, who do you think they'll vote for?
Careful DM actually the least of their concern would be nationality. I am sick of how social workers are criticized if they don't save a child in need of rescue and criticized if they do. If I was a young person looking for a career in the caring professions I would be scared to go into social services. The DM does not criticize every arrest by the police on suspicion of a crime, stop and search is still out there. Are you saying hands off non British families who are suspected of some form of abuse?
Can we just go back to being a normal country without mass immigration and all the nonsense it brings with it?
kidnapping social workers.....give me a break. The councils can hardely afford to take children into care its so expensive and why the hell would we want to other than to protect children from enduring signficant harm. I would rather be a social work biggot than an ignorant pigheaded idiot that has no idea what children suffer behind close doors. You are proberbly the same people that critise when children don't get removed and suffer awful consequences. Just an idea...If social workers are so awful at their jobs why don't you try doing some community work to help such children and their families rather than sitting of your critical butt.
How in hell can the Father face jail for talking to the press are we a free country and if not what in hell are our troops doing in other countries. The irony of this case is not lost on me, you have UKip supporters looking after Eastern European children when we don't want to be part of the EU. Here is a novel suggestion Jail the Thought police!
It's not just foreign people. My friend's daughter's two children aged 4 and 1 were forcibly removed and put in care. The reason given was that they were in an unsuitable environment as her boyfriend had been prison. (For theft - not for offences against a child). It took her 2 years to get them back - by then the youngest didn't even recognise her, and the eldest had had her lovely long hair cropped short. They've never settled even years after the event. Both children are severely disturbed.I don't understand this at all - surely the treatment here was worse than the disease? They snatched two happy, well cared-for children and gave back two traumatised ones.As it was, the girl broke up with the boyfriend only weeks after the children had been taken into care. Yet she still had to fight to get them back. Don't the social services think of the child's welfare FIRST?
I thought we were supposed to be multi cultural. That should mean respecting the cultures of everyone including the way an alien culture treats their kids. It just goes to show multi culturalism will never work. We end up with mongeral culturism. A complete mish mash of cultures with no identity.
The names and positions of the council workers responsible for these decisions should be made public.
Looks like the bnp have takrn over the comments section, r u too thick to realise this is not about immi,gration but family rights,
Am I on my high horse of what today. Its about time professions like social work that involves working and potentially effecting the life chances of others are checked for their attitudes, principles and values prior to employment. These people can either make or break a persons life. Doctors have to take an oath, About time social workers and nurses did too.
These are the same people (Common Purpose) who through the Leveson report are trying to control what we read in the papers. If they get their way, you won't reading a word about this kind of thing in future.
We would need absolutely no border controls if we didn't have a welfare system. This country's problem is the welfare system is way too generous. It rewards failure and punishes success. Wheres the logic in that?
For us to pass comment and critisise the social workers for why they removed all these children from the home of this one family is not for us to do because the full facts of the case are not in the public domain. For all we know, there may well be serious issues here that the council felt they needed to act upon. The real issue here, that is slowly being painted over in this PR fix it campaign....is that a Government funded body, or employee......be it a national or regional body, under instruction or not, has used its or their position of authority to make a decision against an individual for whom has declared their support of a democratic and legal political party and its opinions. I do not agree with Labours viewpoints on remaining within the EU. If I took a Labour party members political views into account and refused to offer them employment, services or work for them.......what would be said of me. This issue has deeper future issues then what people think.
It would be cheaper for the Council to provide lessons on what is expected in British society than grabbing children and paying £40,000 per year each to care for them. By this, I mean that the parents merely need to understand why it is unsafe for young children to be on the streets at 2am in an English city (which reflects on our society rather than theirs), and probably a number of other things where our culture clashes with theirs. The irony is that if the Council really supported multiculturism it would not be penalising these people for living according to their own culture. It also shows that multiculturalism is unworkable in practice. If you have a lot of groups living according to totally diverse rules and practices all you get is chaos.
I suspect there is a lot more to this story than has so far been revealed. Roma peoples have very different lifestyles to us British, God alone knows how they were treating their children, To suggest that social services removed them from their parent for no reason at all seems highly improbable..
What the hell is going on here? The government needs to step in. They want to leave give them back their children and let them go. How is it allowed that they can just take these people's children. Is it because they failed the young girls who were amused for years? Is this their way of compensating?
social workers disapprove of their non-British ¿lifestyle¿. ...or could it be that '' one of the children was found roming the streets at 2 in the morning'' . I dont think anyone should have a child taken away without good reason. But in my opinion, the above is one of them.
I wonder if social workers operated with such vigor when dealing with the children of the child abuse gangs or move so quickly to protect daughters in certain families where forced marriage is a real possibility. I'll wager they don't because certain ethnicities are teflon coated when it comes to child abuse whilst others are open season fair game to the politically correct family Stazi called social services. To cause a child the emotional torture of being torn from its parents for nothing more than a mice problem & being out a bit late is child abuse.
It seems obvious that the simplest solution is to give these children back to their birth parents and put the whole family on a plane back to Romania. Problem solved.
I can see the banner now, this way to the UK, free benefits, housing etc breed at will. We will even foster out your kids when you turn out to be deadbeat parents I do feel sorry for the kids, they didn't ask for it, but I have nothing but contempt for politicians past and present who have sold this country down the drain. Complain to a politician and you may get called a bigot for your trouble.
UKIP followers aren't racist they are realists. The people of this country had no say in the matter of filling up OUR country with unwanted immigrants. It was Blair and Brown who pushed this to gain thousands of new Labour voters. Our services are stretched to the limit, NHS collapsing under the strain and our welfare system abused by people who have not contributed one penny to the system. The indigenous people of the country are the ones suffering as most of our money is going to support immigrants with housing, healthcare, education and living expenses. To want to save your country is not a racist act, it's an act on necessity for the survival of Britain and it's way of life. The sooner we get out of the EUSSR and repatriate these people the better.
I am a taxpayer. I am sickened that our hard earned money goes to support problem families from abroad, who are NOT our resposibility, and yet there are so many poor British families and hard-up pensioners. The sooner we pull up the draw-bridge the better......a forlorn hope !!
Serious question (with no agenda): If the family returned home to Slovakia - would they be able to take their children with them ? If so why don't they simply do that ?
These families should be treated in exactly the same way as British families and the same criteria should apply for the children being taken into care. Surely if social workers allowed Eastern European children to remain in abusive homes where they would have removed British children, then the social workers could be accused of racism. If the Slovakian parents don't like it then they should return to Slovakia. And if the Slovak government doesn't like it then they should advise their nationals not to come to Britain unless they are prepared to treat their children in accordance with British law.
I am Eastern European and I will be the first one to say that UK government probably had basis for taking these kids away, I clicked on the article as I was interested what the hell had happened but as soon as I saw picture of Romas I understood. Eastern Europe had problems with Romas for years, you'd never find these people working, their children are trained to beg since they are tiny and mothers spend hours sitting on pavements with their newborns. If you allow your child to wonder alone at 2am then I don't care how wonderful as a parent otherwise you are, you deserve to have this child taken into care.
Some of the so called professional organisations we have in this country are rotton to the core. Our old people are abused and neglected, people in hospitals don't get the care they need, they are starved of food and water, some are put on to an appalling patheway to death, social workers take away children from loving families, but ignore blatant abuse when they see it, authorities turn a blind eye to the abuse of young white girls by Pakistani men, the human rights of terroists and criminals are put above victims. and law abiding citizens are fined for putting their rubbish in the wrong bin. The list just goes on and on. I suppose this is what we get when common sense is relegated to below a tick the box system of doing things. It would be hillarious if so many lives weren't being destroyed. Isn't it about time we had a government which actually did make changes to our society, rather than just adding more and more paper work to professionals work loads?
The same kind of crap was done from the 1920s to the 1970s in Australia - again by the socialist do gooders who think they know what's best for everyone. 1. Children of single mothers were forcibly adopted right into the 70s 2. Aboriginal children were taken often without even telling the parents STASI (the E. German secret Police) also would put into care all kids of "policitally unreliable" parents and their kids were put with good communist families. Its all a way of controlling the hoi paloi - do and think what you're told or we'll take away your kids.
The local authority in this sad story are 'Common Purpose' members.
@ sjh - totally agree. Back in the late 70'/early 80's my parents fostered kids. We took in brother and sisters so they would not separated, we had disabled kids and we had a black boy (we are a white family) and we had children from as young as two right
" This country is a disgrace. We are the scum of the world. I'm ashamed to be British. - Noitall , Trashheap, 07/12/2012 11:24" ==================================================================== seems like we are going that way FAST....... //////////////////////////////////////////
You can not put every Slovakian in to the same basket, same as you can Not put every British person in to the same basket!!!!!!!!!!!!
We REALLY need to do something about this immigration problem before it gets out of hand.
If they want to let their two year old children wander the streets in the early hours they should go back to Slovakia. The Rotherham social services have gone up in my estimation.
A bit late with story most of it was in the Guardian last week.
For social workers, so scared of being branded racist, to remove these children, there must have been very good reasons. The problem lies with the government allowing in people like this, who offer nothing to the British way of life. Why can't we be more like Australia in who we allow in?
So let's get this straight - social workers who removed 5 children who were left alone at night while the parents went out to work are getting the sticky end of the stick for sending the children back to live with family menbers in their home country .OK. But how very lucky that the family's house didn't burn down one night because then the social workers would have got the sticky end of the stick for not removing the children to send back to live with family members in their home country ... oh hang on a minute, that doesn't seem to work does it? Roma people always claim to be treated badly in their home countries and it's true, they are discriminated against, but it's a shame that so many of them have not taken the opportunity that moving to the UK has given them to prove that they can work, educate their children and become responsible contributing members of a society.
It is a sad fact of life that the majority of people in Eastern Europe hate the Romas (certainly in my experience in Bulgaria and Romania) and discriminate against them. But on the other hand the Romas seem to invite this by the way many of them behave. I have myself been the victim of pickpocketing by a Roma Gang in Bulgaria and several other Brits I met experienced the same - some of them with very dire results. If people behave in an anti-social way, they should not be surprised that their victims don't like them, but that is called "discrimination". I don't blame the social workers if the children were at risk, but that doesn't excuse the blatant political discrimination against the foster carers in the Rotherham case.
I wonder what Rumpole of the Bailey would have made of this case. Alas, we shall not know.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site. - sjh, Southampton, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 11:27 You are absolutely right! I know some families who make fostering as a well paid job, more children you foster more money you get from council. Somehow money is the issue rather than the political reason behind.
At least these Slovaks have a choice. They can leave Britain and return home with their children. What escape do the British parents have?
Well, looks like I'm voting UKIP next election before this situation really gets out of hand.
There is a serious problem with the the so called " social services ". there is a long history of too many failures on their part to deal effectively with the well being of children, and too often it comes down to the blame game and the sweeping of the problem under the carpet. Too often the real problem is with the people in charge and the poor quality of the ' workers ', But are they ever sacked ? No, they are moved or leave with a huge hand out to go somewhere else. Perhaps it's time for a real deep enquiry about what every decent society needs, these should be people who Care. There was a time when every street had an abundance of ' care workers ' they were called " Good neighbours "
I note from the comments that many people are blaming the EU for all these Eastern European immigrants, but it is not the EU at fault it is our own government. Britain is not a signatory to the Schengen Agreement and therefor we are not party to the cross-borders agreements of other countries. IT IS OUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND BORDER CONTROL WHO ARE AT FAULT. What are we going to do about it? Vote UKIP
This has more than a ring of truth about it concerning CERTAIN social workers, just as it applies to CERTAIN police officers, judges, newspaper reporters etc, etc, etc. People get into these jobs/professions after 20, 30, 40 years of "life" and if people tell you they`ve NOT been influenced or biased towards one thing or another by incidents which they`ve experienced themselves or seen, in their `formative` years, then they`re telling `porkies`!!
Different countries have different attitudes. I had to tell a young highly educated Czech family that they must under no circumstances follow their usual custom of leaving their small sleeping children alone in the house while they went out to dinner for an hour or so. Shocking to us in the UK but perfectly normal and expected at that time in the Czech Republic. There was no doubt these parents loved their children very much and would do anything for them- they were excellent parents with happy bright kids-it was just a matter of differing cultural expectations and they had no idea how this behaviour would be viewed here.
Public sector Jobsworths are biggest bigoted control freaks you could ever because they only do what it suits them today and they ignore the most damning problems when they face any degree of difficulty they are a law unto themselves.
Why do so many Daily Mail readers always compete to see who can be the most obnoxious???
Bearing in mind that in English law "the welfare of the child is paramount", it is better to say the children have been deprived of their family than it is to say the family have been deprived of their children. Possibly strange, but true.
People in the social services seem to think they are the cat's whiskers. Glad I left the UK
We are housing, feeding and schooling other countries DROP OUTS. No wonder the country is skint and full of crime. UKIP for me next time.
Yes, this will be the work of Common Purpose again I shouldn't wonder. Foreign children must make especially easy targets for the child stealing campaign. I've been reading about their activities and ¿family courts¿ held in secret for years on the internet. Hopefully now they will be fully exposed for what they are.
Funny how these social workers want to change their lifestyles. Yet children whose parents teach them to hate this country, and it's people those that want a state within a state, do not have their children removed.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London------ Rubbish, they took my Father into care in 1943 because my grandmother was severely ill (Depression) and she had to be hospitalised - she couldn't cope with 3 children after her husband abandoned her during the War. But I suppose they'd have been happier living alone with a severely mentally ill woman who beat them and couldn't put food on their plates in the home they were squatting in?
too many dysfunctional people in these powerful jobs that gives the decent ones a bad name. The dysfunctional ones harm innocent people to alleviate their own distress.
Firstly, our government should scrap these secret family courts and have open courts so truth can be heard publicly and judged on the merits of all parties and their interests. Secret courts should only be used in the case of national interests such as security of the nation in investigating terrorists and those that are a risk to the nation. I view our Social Services as a tool for Labours extreme left ideology of multiculturalism, the Social Service was originally never formed to destroy families, but over the years have have destroyed hundreds of families and ruined the lives of thousands of children. We don't know enough about the Slavakian family because of the secrecy of the courts and the threat of imprisonment of the family if they talk to the Press. Is either side at fault? We shall never know - this is very convenient for Social Services. Our Government could help our dire fiscal problems by axing the Social Services, or at least reducing it in size.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country.
I hope intensive family support was attempted prior to removing the children-many families are inadequate which is not the same as neglectful or abusive! social workers are there to assist inadequate parents but it seems they simply judge and remove children without putting in proper support and advice systems-poor children moved around like pawns in a chess game!
So does this mean that 7 children have been taken into care because they found a boy wandering the streets at 2am, How old was this boy? I remember telling my parents I was staying at a friends and spending the night down the beach with friends and I'm sure millions more have done the same. I'm not sure what sickens me more about this particular comment: "Perhaps if the Slovakians are demonstrating about their treatment in the UK it is probably best if they stay in Slovakia" The fact that Tim actually said it or the fact that its got a 423 ups on it when we are talking about a family that has had 6 of their own children and a grandchild taken into care because their son stayed out one night. The whole social service attitude needs to be fully investigated not just this one case but throughout the country because at this present moment we have around 65,000 children in care and its seems quite likely that a lot should not be there.
This is yet more evidence that local councils should not have the social care remit. Health Care and Social Care are the two elements of Wellbeing. Politicizing social care, with secret court hearings, leads to totally counterproductive 'solutions' that makes the situation worse not better. The answer is to integrate Health and Social Care and make the officers of the Care Quality Commission directly accountable to the electorate every four years.
So much hate. We dont have enough facts to make any real assessment of the situation. Sensationalism at its worst. Whatever the facts these poor children are bearing the misery of this situation. Very sad.
It always baffles me why people hate social workers so much. They are trying to protect the people in society who cannot protect themselves such as children. There are thousands of children in this country that have child protection plans which the parents have the opportunity to work with before the social worker make an application to the courts to remove the children if things haven't improved. In this case the police were used who have the powers to remove children on an emergency basis which means that things are so bad that they couldn't wait for a court order. Also just to point out only courts and police can remove children, social workers can only apply to these people who make the decisions. When are parents going to take responsibility for their neglectful or abusive parenting rather than blaming the people who have to intervene and try to protect children from significant harm. PS SW always try to keep children within the family whenever safe to do so.
Perhaps Slovakia could ensure that their people do not have to come to another country. Unless of course they find it quite convenient to have another country pay for their people. Child benefit must be something out of their dreams with such large families. I don't like the Machiavellian behaviour of our Secret Social Services, but if Slovakia is so bothered why not do something to make living as a family in their home country is possible instead of handing their problems over to us.
Social workers do not remove children from families it is the courts who do this based on evidence from such agencies as education, health visitors, doctors, social services and relevant others including family members and children. The children`s needs always come first and depending on their ages their views and wishes are always taken into account. social workers are damned if they do and damned if they don`t. The media only present what they want to print and due to confidentiality social services cannot give a full account of the background.
Its the Australian Aborigine children fiasco... all over again.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is? - ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32 On CNN being interviewed by his buddy Piers Morgan. Don't ask me what about as I flicked on channel & seeing his innane grin on the screen flicked it off again. I thought my dislike for the guy might have subsided but no I felt just the same!
Thanks for nothing, Mister Blair - whilst seriously hoping that you're never knighted or ennobled in any way except downward from 'Mister'.
Gone are the days when you fostered children out of love and received an allowance to cover clothes,food etc.Now it is big business. Depending on age of the child the money is good. Child allowance £100+-£200 a week per child. Fostering fees depending on skills up to £500+ a week. Extra allowance to cover Christmas and holidays. If you fostered four teenagers you would receive possibly £1.000 a week. Look at your local fostering internet site.
If Social Services had problems with this family previously why did they let them adopt more children? This Department not fit for purpose. By the way. I haven't seen Gordon Brown. He could be in a street near you. In disguise!
All the people saying they should go home because they're tourists/bleeding the country dry - these people came looking for jobs, found the menial jobs no-one would do, and have had their children stolen by the Social Services because they couldn't afford decent homes. JJE
"I was a child in the 50's no social services things went along just fine" Maybe it did for you but not for the hundreds of children who were battered and/or killed by their parents each year. Just look at death rates of children killed by adults and you will see that this is being reduced, mostly by the police and social services. What a stupid comment to make. Maybe we should all turn a blind eye and see how these kids get on without other people to help them when the parents who should love and nurture them neglect and batter them. I'm sure they won't thank you.
This country is a disgrace. We are the scum of the world. I'm ashamed to be British.
I just want to point out, because many are ignorant of it, that it was not a crime to kill a Roma in western Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. These stringent laws finally caused the Roma to leave western Europe for eastern Europe, where they were tolerated, although they never really became part of society. One empress and her son even allowed them to settle down under certain conditions. Now, because your laws and the EU laws respect all the human rights, the Roma are coming back. That¿s it.
what have these parents done wrong to attract the vitriol? Having their kids taken away for no good reason isnt enough for some on here
If families require support re 'good parenting' then I'm all for it. However, if the governments of their home nations are calling for it then it is they that need to put their hands in their pockets to support it. As for social workers - god only knows why their practice is so different from county to county, or why some appear to involve personal opinion rather than professional. To my mind all social workers should sing from the same hymn sheet. And in the event that anyone is one and wants to bleat about their case loads etc, don't bother. I work within the children and young people sector and would love to be able to say that social workers do an awesome job. Of those that I've met/worked alongside, most don't.
"Thousands of Eastern Europeans have moved to Rotherham" What the hell.......The politicians don't care about this country and its people¿s identity, to them more people means more tax? It¿s a small island (ironically surrounded by water) so why do we need so many immigrants¿¿? And people wonder why racist attacks are going up. Also if you vote/voted for Labour you have no right to complain about the effects of mass immigration.
The 'thought police' who make politically correct decisions which wreck people's lives, have very strange values. They disapprove of the UKIP, but last Saturday in Derby, I saw a woman carrying a National Union of Teachers bag dishing out 'Socialist Workers' with a poster saying 'Bring Down the Government'. Interesting that nobody considers this woman, who doubtless spends her working life indoctrinating children (like the BBC's Newsround does), unsuitable to work in such a post.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist. - John S , Bromley, United Kingdom, 07.............so they came to Uk five years ago and have had 7 children and 1 grandchild taken into the care of thet state what would you describe them as ?
This is not how the story was told innitially. Now that we know some facts, I really feel sorry for the kids in care of this Slovak Roma family. Whether they are Roma from Romania, Slovakia, Poland or other parts, the kids in their care will not follow the normal path of going to school, studying then working etc but more the opposite. The kids will be the big losers.
I predict that the next election could be the time when UKIP come good. They may not win outright but from what I'm hearing longstanding voters of both the Labour and Tory party have finally realised that neither party actually has any credibility in Britain anymore.
This is disgusting. What on earth is wrong with this country. So much shocking and immoral behaviour. Give these people their children back How can anybody destroy a family in such a way. Those that hush up and play a part in practices like this are such fools as well as evil. For every bit of bad u give out it will come back on you tenfold. So u councillors and social workers being so wicked karma WILL get u
So this story is about Roma parents and their children.This is why Social Services keeps taking children away,not because they are from Eastern Europe,(where they are in trouble with Social Services as well )
Typical Labour. think what we want you to think or else...
Wasn't abolishing the secret courts one of Cameron's election promises ? The country is falling apart whilst he struts around 'on the world stage' throwing away our (borrowed) money.
Without transparency these hidden courts, parents secret trials and abuse by the state will continue. Without the ability to challenge the social workers parents will find themselves in an impossible situation. We need some one with some gumption in Government to do something now and correct this.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is? - ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32 ----------He's sitting at home enjoying his parliamentary salary - that is when he is not jaunting around the world on other peoples money.
here is an idea take your children back and then go home where the social workers will not get involved and the british tax payer will not have to pay loads of money keeping your children it is getting ridiculous when we are cutting services penalising the very poor with little pay rises , targeting maternity pay and child tax credits of the lowly paid but these people can swan into this country and we pick up the tab close the borders from now . all the eu can do is fine us and it will still be cheaper
No admirer of social workers, but there has to be more to this story.. They're costing us a ruddy fortune and for what ? Do they work hard and give something back to the system ? Nope, they just keep on taking, and we have enough of our home grown scroungers doing that ! If they come here without a bean in their pocket and no skills and no intentions of working, how the hell are they allowed to stay ?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50 ========= That's progress for you. Mass immigration, inability to get rid of undesirable people of which there are thousands, nanny state, interfering jobsworths, compensation culture, and foreigners religion overruling everything to name a few ills of this once great country.
Ah multiculturalism doing well I see. Thank you Gordan and Tony.
Simple soultion if you think Britian is stealing your kids, don't come here. we'd be more than happy, it would save our money & resorces being used on your kids.
What exactly is there life style ?
Your comments: Children deserve to be looked after well. To create different standards according to race/culture would be unworkable for the authorities and unfair to the children. It would also dilute further our standards of parental and social behaviour. Anyone moving to a country where the culture is completely different to their own needs to understand that their behaviour will need to change or they will fall foul of the laws and gain no respect.
Here's a plan,why don't they go home and take the social workers with them,a classic case of killing two birds with one stone.
social worker = damned if you work and damned if you hold backs. Poor weasels
I weep for the hard working tax payers in this broken land, never have so few, been fleeced by so, many for so long, and the insults to them are endless. The U.K. P.A.Y.E. tax payer the most abuse, most put upon,and for sure the most endangered creature on the planet. god bless them.. the coup de gras is not to far away thank god. Rumania soon to join the E.U. a report 400,000 Roma ready to flee.. I wonder where they will be focused on..
Hopefully this will discourage these people from coming to Britain!
As I understand the laws introduced on behalf of the Race Industry, if the social workers have been accused of racism, the police are required to investigate that accusation. I wonder if that applies to The Establshment as it does to the, mainly innocent, taxpayers who fund their prejudices.
They shouldn't be in the UK any way living on benefits. The UK is within it's rights under EU law to return them and deny them entry.
In the good old fashioned way, if you don't like it here then go somewhere else.. Please do
This is disgusting behaviour by Social Services and their ilk! How dare they steal children from hard working parents and under the guise of protecting the children's identities refuse to justify their actions. It is despicable what they are doing. If we do not fight these goons at every level every ordinary family is going to be so scared of these monsters that they (the parents) will do anything to appease these monsters in order to keep their children. It must be stopped. I am appalled that this has happened. Arggghhh!
You only need to read a story like this one to know why the U.K. is completely bankrupt.
is this why this story has gone quiet? a cover up it seems!
What a tangled web the politicians have woven for us all.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic, London, 7/12/2012 11:50---------------------------------------- Simply factually inaccurate: Social Services have existed sinc eth formation of the Wlefar State in late 1940s - - they just had other names and the 'problems' were only recognised as being 'inner city', but in reality rural poverty, overcrowding in slum dwellings, alcoholism, drug abuse, abusive parents were all around in those days - - with only BBC and newspapers the mid-1950s the situation often went under/un-reported. It was groundbreaking Kathy Come Home, Taste of Honey etc. in the mid-60s really raised awareness of the need to expand and train more dedicated professional 'social' worker systems.
like the miialllitary industrial complex . like private prisons like the cancer industry like big pharma .like big ag , its all about the money folks its all about the money .
If the family were that bothered about their kids they would take them back home.
I can't believe a social worker would storm in and take 7 children without due cause, there's more to this than we know. Of course the father is denying any wrong doing, he's not going to admit if he's a bad parent. British or not if you can't look after your children adequately then you shouldn't be a parent.
I'm sorry the British are the minoity now in Britain. Isn't there something wrong with that? I have no problem with the wlfare state helping those in real need, but it's becoming a choice for many immigrants and lazy folk. We can't afford it, so something will have to give over the next few years. I at least stood up and spoke about the dangers of joining the EEC yonks ago when Maggie was pushing the idea. We may live next door to some of these countries, but we don't have to get into bed with them. Folk need to work and have the money to have kids before having so many. You can't tell me this father was earning sufficient to raise these children. Slovakians should be in Slovakia. For heavens sake, what is Britain turning into? And, why oh why, does the tax payer always have to pick up the tab. It's time for the sheeple to rise up, but being britain, all they'll do is moan. At least the Greeks know how to demonstrate. Mamby pamby Britain, eh?
According to Migration Watch, there are in excess of half a million illegal immigrants in London alone and I understand that there is a cap on migrants from eastern Europe which is due to be removed very soon. The government recognises the strain on public services but their answer is just to impose financial cuts and to tax us more. There is a better solution - put a stop to immigration and the only way that ever will be possible is if we leave the EU. And whilst we keep voting for the three "main" parties, that will never happen. I just hope that the dyed-in-the-wool Labour, Liberal and Conservative voters wake up to that before it`s too late !
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London------ Rubbish, they took my Father into care in 1943 because my grandmother was severely ill (Depression) and she had to be hospitalised - she couldn't cope with 3 children after her husband abandoned her during the War. But I suppose they'd have been happier living alone with a severely mentally ill woman who beat them and couldn't put food on their plates in the home they were squatting in?
Simple answer send them all back to their Country of origin and let them sort the problem out,it isnt ours.
I have had experience with Rotherham's social services, and they are corrupt, vile, when found out to be in the wrong, its lie after lie from them...but that is LABOUR for YOU.
The social services are guilty of ruining these young children lives the children probably don't understand wha'ts happened. These people brought these poor children into their home to give them some sort of normality, this has now been taken away and all just before christmas. Its disgusting.The council workers responsible should be sacked as they are racist even to think these people are not good enough because of their nationality and their political views. I vote UKIP and i hope that the rest of the country follow my political beliefs but that does not mean that i should not if i was younger deny me the right to foster under priveledged children.Surely a loving family life is better then being brought up in a care home. This is so disgusting and should be stopped immediately. ( sorry about spelling ) Give the children back there are far to many children in homes waiting for good foster parents.
It is wrong and illegal to bring children up as beggers, and open to exploitation.
"The family courts operate in strict secrecy to protect the identities of the children involved. It means that evidence given by social workers and their hired medical experts cannot be publicly challenged. " The only people protetected are the social workers, lawyers and judges. The whole secrecy system needs to be abolished. A media campaign could do it. One for you, Daily Mail!
Having worked with Social Workers I find them the most frustrating out of all health/care professionals. They are arrogant, self-important and narrow minded. They are also often not the brightest people in the world. There is also so much pointless admin in this field - even worse than in the NHS! No doubt all the admin they do was created and encouraged by one of them to try and justify their roles. Halve the number of Social Workers for a start, why are there so many of these pointless people. I mean, if they are suspecting abuse, this is criminal and the people should be deported if they do not have a British passport. It's as simple as that.
To be fair, gypsie ghettos in Italy and Romania etc are freaking horrible places so I can't really blame social services for wanting to not repeat them
Jobsworth fruitcakes. Self-important mentally challenged. 'Social workers'? Left wing councillors trying to impose their twisted will on others. This whole affair hilights the need for a complete overhaul of our social services - there are too many mistakes and over-the-top judgements made by immature fools.
This can't be true, it has not been reported by the BBC. (Anyone who knows any social workers will be aware that they are placed between a rock and a hard place trying to handle the social consequences of an open door policy. Don't expect any of our politicians to speak up for them or let them reveal the wider scenario resulting from their policies. Thank you Teflon Tony for your efforts and call me Dave for continuing in the same vein.)
Move to Britain and be owned by the state?
@weehighland lass, it may not be your intention but you have just made the case for those opposing the social workers activities. That is the very point, if social workers were effective, and that means there are enough of them, they are well trained, and
Oh God, why did we ever join the EU. It's all thanks to Gordon Brown for allowing this country to get in such a mess. We need to get out of the EU - it's become a disaster!!!
Why the hell would you want to let this lot in, hardly a benefit to UK society.
"Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is?"...............does anybody care?
You pay in - they draw out.
Like in most things in Britain today, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the apple barrel, Rotherham social services messed up big time by becoming political and accusing a foster family supporting a rising political party of being racist. Some in the social service do an excellent job, others like many today in the UK have been promoted to a position they should never ever be in. A lot if not most of the problems in the UK are down to the dogma of political correctness, children being left to abuse and targeted by minority groups who are left and abandoned because police and social services do not want to be seen as racist or the complete opposite happening and children from a loving foster family being removed because they are of a different race or culture. Until a government is willing to stamp out the corrosive cancer that is political correctness nothing will change. Churchill once said, the fascists of the future, will be the anti-fascists. He was right.
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic, London, 07/12/2012 09:50 If you were a child in the 1950s you'll be begging for a social work visit soon. I suggest you reserve judgement
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 7/12/2012 8:46 --------- This comment is a typical Socialist response to any sort of discussion about controlling immigration. It is NOT racist to control the quality of the people who are allowed to come and live in your country. It is not about where they are FROM but what they can DO to benefit our society.
this shows the moral standards in this country are collapseing when i grew up in the fifties we had none of these problems with children social workers were not heard of
Send them all BACK TO SLOVAKIA!!! I am a Slovakian, have lived in the UK for the last 15years, always have supported my self financially and never claimed any benefits. I have a well regarded job and if I didnt like British culture i would go back home, right? (cant believe this is what my tax is wasted on!)
Appalling. The fact that we are IMPORTING CHILDREN TO FOSTER is beyond belief. Send them back. But worse than that, the fact that parents are being jailed for speaking to the press is OUTRAGEOUS, IS WORSE THAN LIVING UNDER COMMUNISM.
What a state the country is in! Millions of migrants swarming here to scrounge benefits. Labour governments ans councils infested with Marxists, governed by Brussels. We may have been in a better state had we lost the last war.
Six of their offspring ??? How many have they got then and how many more afre we paying for ????????? Just one final thought, why arent they in Slovakia ????????????????????????????????????????????
These people should never have been allowed in the country in the first place!!! The blame lies with the Lib/Lab/Con open door immigration policies and the idiots who keep voting for them..
This article is not about Roma ppl, but about CHILDREN !! Is not just slovaks, easter europeans, but also BRITISH kids taken by social services from innocent families. That is problem and it is a sick system in UK (but also other european counties, Norway, Germany, etc...). Trust me these Slovak families WOULD LOVE to leave UK, but cant... without their kids :(( Why british courts dont want to let slovak kids go back home and their are sending them to british foster families? Do you know how much you are paying for that (social services, many cases, judges, laywers)? Millions of pounds every year. Much more than you are paying for eastern europeans staying in your country. Please do some research and then make an opinion. I agree you dont like staying trouble making Roma families in UK (we also dont if they are like that), but we also dont like you drunk guys destroying our city centre Bratislava during your stag parties. We should all fight for some family rights and our CHILDREN!
If you worked with these people like I do, you would soon understand why their children have to be placed in suitable care. They aren't Slovaks (and Slovakia isn't in Eastern Europe) - they are Roma, and even in Slovakia many of them live unacceptable lifestyles, however they don't have the same well-developed social services that we do and that is why they come here, thinking it is a soft touch, but far from it. My wife is Slovak, and we speak Slovak at home with our children, but we wouldn't dream of being associated with anything that these people get up to.
I don't know where to begin on this one! All I do know is that this situation can, potentially, be multiplied many times over from 31st of this month when we can expect floods of people from another two eastern EU countries. In this case, return the children to their parents at the airport, as they board a flight home and tell them to tell their mates back home not to come to the UK as the social workers will snatch their children if they do.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country.
Just wait until the temporary restrictions are lifted on migrants coming in from Romania and Bulgaria - this is just the very thin edge of the wedge, wait until the floodgates open.
Wow , these immigrants are costing us more than i thought , much more , i wonder how the residents of Rotherham like paying their council tax ? Bad enough without all that childcare cost , glad i don't live there .........wish I didn't. Not a good place to live at all, believe me.
quite clearly, the insidious politically correct Left are now the new breed of 21st century fascists!
Racist has become one ot the most abused and meaningless words in the English language. Accuse me of proven neglect of my children, I throw back that you are a racist , never mind where truth lies, the chancers charter. We have become a very silly people.
We always hear of "lack of communication between departments" as an excuse (although not necessarily in this case) - so why not amalgamate social services into the POLICE FORCE, and the immigration department too. Also, locate subsidiary police stations next to the casualty department in hospitals. All more efficient, save loadsa money, no communication breakdown - all singing from the same hymn sheet on behalf of the beleaguered working taxpayer.
Very sorry state of affairs all round, but the main problem, is the open door policy of the EU, endorsed by Labour when in power, even now the current Government, will not do anything to upset the EU, like giving us a referendum on our membership of the EU. UKIP has for a long time spoken out for the majority of the people whom it would seem from polls want out of the EU, the Government know this, that the vote would go against Britain staying a memberof the EU that is why we will never ever get one, not from any of the established parties, it has to be UKIP, no Question! (just think of the benefit payments that would be saved,by not being a member of the EU thus reducing the amount paid out, a main target of Wednesday's autum statement)
So whose idea was it at the beginning to tell people that the children were from an ethnic minority ?Was it to make the adoptive parents really look bad, as well as to say they belonged to UKIP ?
Some Social Services seem to want children rather too much..................... In this case there is another option, though - WHEN all the EU refugees go back to their homelands, they can take their children WITH them........
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me. - Agnes, Munich, Germany, 07/12/2012 08:46 That's because immigration is somehow much tighter in Germany, Agnes.
No weehighlandlas, you may not do it for the money but you certainly do it for the unwarranted power it gives you, power which under any other circumstances you would never be handed. If ever there was a case for Human Rights, this must be the prime candidate. The Act rightly attracts criticism but can obviously be disregarded by Social Workers, many of whom are so wet behind the ears that they leave a trail behind them and so Left leaning that they can only walk in circles. Poorly paid? In the majority of cases grossly overpaid! Yes, you are criticised when things go wrong - how many times do you get it right?
Rotherham council have failed to protect young girls but target the law abiding and onviously loving parents of small children... 20 police to capture four little kids in their own home?... because taking on gangs and actually doing their job is far too much like hard work. In the history of the Social Services there has never been any care for the children, merely for the various department's' status and that of the departmental heads. Individual social workers often work their hearts out, trying to make a difference, but they'll always lose out to the majority and to the bureaucrats.
The Roma lifestyle is parasitic, perhaps not the traditional one, but many these days rely on hand-outs, begging and theft to support their huge families with no regards for anyone, including their own offspring, but themselves. They are a huge problem the further east you travel and will simply take full advantage of our welfare system, with no shame, at every opportunity. I don't know what the answer is but they are not the romantic traveling workforce of craftsmen that they portray themselves to be, and perhps once were.
This sounds like there is far more to the story than the family would have us believe!
Your evil SS workers should focus on families ,who abuse and dont take care of children for REAL. Where are they when child starved to death, when is sexually abused, when is beaten by parents etc. This buesniss with children is making mi sick. How can mother be a possible risk for child even when is not born yet. She doesnt even got chance yet. I am a mother of three and I sometimes feel I will get mad , when they are naughty and so what -now do I have to have my kids removed? Next minute everything is fine and live goes on. If u dont care for your families , whoes kids are been removed from them for no reaseon, you will have to listen and read about ours, Slovak, because we will spek up. Because for us innocent families is the most importat thing in the worl and we will stich together. We will fight for our families, why if the judge said, parent had done nothing is taken 2 years to give children to their lovin mum. Because of corrupt and sick social system of your country
Yes, yes all Social Worker are lazy, incompetent, racist lefties who should leave kids with their parents no matter what. That's until one of those kids are killed and then it's 'why didn't Social Work do something? What were they thinking? Let's scapegoat one of them (usually the student Social Worker who's caseload is 4 times bigger than is safe'. We've heard it all and have to carry on trying to keep kids safe under the most difficult of circumstances. It's just as well being a social worker is it's own reward, we certainly don't do it for the money or the thanks!- weehighlandlass, Fort William, 7/12/2012 9:27 ---- and what is your comment as to why two foster children were taken away from loving foster parents for no more reason than they support UKIP?
Rotherham council - at the forefront of a repeat of the illegal snatching of children so they can be fostered by "politically correct" parents, reminds me of the debacle where British children of the poor were illegally taken away and sent to Australia to be little more than cheap slave labour. Who was in political power when those children were snatched and taken to Australia - LABOUR. Who is in charge in Rotherhan under the latest illegal child snatching campaign - NULABOUR Anyone who votes NuLabour is voting for illegal child snarching and political correctness. How soon before your child is illegally snatched and given away to "politically correct" parents?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now? - Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50---------------- Because in the 1950s children were raised by a mother and a father (almost always); they had a granny living nearby and aunts and uncles too. Now families are broken, misshapen, constantly reforming with stepchildren, and then breaking up again. Of course children get beaten and abused by the mother's latest transitory boyfriend. He doesn't love them!
And we thought we defeated the NAZI's. Maybe those from Rotheram who fought believed they had. How would they feel to know that their town was now run by them? Eugenics isn't far away! (and wasn't that a NAZI doctrine also)?
What about the kids who were left alone on holiday in a foreign country. Their kids were not taken away.
The good news to this is at least the protests in Slovakia may stop hundreds of other families arriving here to 'use' our system!!
I have worked on a children's home and I have seen many children come and go through the system. Many from quite middle class family's and many from lower class family's. But it doesn't matter what class you come from as it's the way children are treated and the behaviours from the children themselves. There must be some reason as to why these children have been taken. Maybe they bring there children up differently to the way the social services here agree to, but then if they want to be in our country they need to be doing things the right way. If its an issue they should have stayed put 5 years ago.
The blame for all this, lies with successive governments !!!
Arrivederci Roma
councils dont take the decision lightly to remove children from their parents they must have had real fears for their safety in this day and age they are damned if they do and damned if they dont leaving children roam the streets at 2.00am is not what responsible parents do my advice is to give them their kids back and a ticket back to whence they came
The Social Services here should arrange a full family exchange with the Slovakian social services. Then they can all go back. Why are we allowing families in with so many children to claim off UK benefits.
I knew it all along. There is deep discrimination and racism against East Europeans that is quite frankly disgusting. Many it seems, including social services AND the leaders of Labour and Conservatives seem to think racism against East Europeans is fair game. They must be called to answer this. It is disgusting and we must know the reason for it!
This Cultural Revolution - check out The Frankfurt School - has been a work in progress since the 1920's. The whole modus operandi of this group has been to get us as a Nation to where we are despairingly today. Politicians and Goverments can do squat against these unstoppable forces, the cancer is too deep and terminal.
How different to the life lead by our own ,dear Royal family !
The stance in this article is all wrong, these children were taken from a dirty home where there were mice after a child was found in the street at 2am! If anything happened to those kids everyone would be in uproar so make your choice, do you want child poverty even if they are not British children or do you want to send a message to every parent from anywhere in the world that states if you come to our country you give your kids the BASIC human needs, a clean home, an education and a routine! Well done to the Council, they have taken a very tough stance that is better for the children. As for the UKIP debate, well done to the social services again, the foster parents support not having those kids in this country so how can they say they will look after the childrens needs! You wouldnt give a racist a black child to bring up and its the same here! Come on Britain do we want our country to stand for something or not, if so stop moaning when things are starting to be done!
This is not intended as a racist comment but if immigrants don't prefer to live by our standards they can very easily go back to their own country. If they aren't on benefits then they are taking jobs for British workers.
what the hell is going in this once proud country.
500000 and the rest on their way from Romania next and still no legislation to protect the British public.
You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up. - gamma, Bucharest, Romania, 07/12/2012 09:31 Correct me if I am wrong wasn't Romania the country that had thousands of orphans left in their nappies and ignored, I know it has improved slightly, but with all due respect it appears it is you who has no idea of the plight of children in your home country. Perhaps you should shut up or educate yourself.
They the labour party are to blame for the unrestricted access by anyone who wanted to come and live off the social in Britain. It may not be much of a lifestyle but certainly its Claridge¿s in comparison to there Eastern European life . What is to be done is come down like a ton of bricks on Rotherham Council, labour or not. Then just stop this continuing drift of economic migrants whilst letting ordinary English people die of cold this winter. Just wise up Theresa May because this is where your battle is in the next election not in high finance.
There is 2 sides to every story. Just because the family are saying they are good parents doesn't mean they are. The social services don't take children away from parents for no reason. That is always the last resort. What kind of parents let their children play out at night and what kind of people live in mouse infested houses! No place for children. I am sure they would have been given time to sort the mess out. And if they suspect abused by the father then I'm sure they looked into that. If all this was going on them you should be praising social services. And as for the ukip couple having them taken off them, well that's right how can a couple that are against Europeans living in this country and uk been in the eu look after children from the eu...surly they would want them to go back home.
The Slovakian (and other Eastern European) people should be informed that the UK is not a very nice place to live and bring up children, it appears that we have done our best in the past and have failed, best stay at home in your own country where you are understood and can bring up your children (no matter how many you have) in a way that you see fit.
gamma bucharest. You are 100% correct. I am a Brit living in Ploesti. Most British Parents would do well to come to Romania to learn how to bring up their Children properly.
- Cynic , London, 07/12/2012 09:50------- We don't. They are just another example of State expansion and control.
send the family home why the hell are they the taxpayers problem?
@ FrankFisher: "If I moved to a foreign country, and they took away my children, I think I'd take them back and go home. Just a thought". But they won't give him his children back, genius, so how can he leave? If you'd bothered to read the article, you wo
Social workers are power hungry do gooders who abuse such powers
For those commenting on how we don't like foreigners in UK, you're wrong, we like foreigners, we just don't want them all living in our country. We have enough people to fill the place.
Frank Fisher hit the nail on the head.....meanwhile,why not send the entire town's Social Service system to Slovakia for all the use it is here.
Seriously if people don't like it here in Britain, the way they are treated etc GO HOME!
Well if the Slovakian Government don't like it they should take the family back and save us the expense. Oh wait even if they went back the British tax payer would still be paying for them thanks to the EU dictatorship!!!!!
Well done Emma. I am also from what many would call Eastern Europe, never claimed a penny off the State, and never would, paid for University (whilst working during the night in a bank cheque processing centre), now work full time and have my own business employing others. And my English is better than most native speakers'. And I am absolutely sternly against benefits, unless it's for people who have contributed and need help short-term. We don't know enough about this family to make conclusions, simple as that.
@ ABC DEFG , England, United Kingdom, 07/12/2012 09:32, Does anyone care?
It appears the Council of Europe ignores the English children being snatched from their parents, but is quite happy to make a case for the Slovak parents, welcome to multi-cultural Britain.
Social workers, Cafcass and Family Courts should be disbanded. My daughter was allowed by Court and Cafcass to make life long decision never to see father or his family again and she was 13!
Secret courts and Socialists are a highly toxic combination. Both have no place in a civilized country.
Give them their children back, and help them return to their own country, where presumably they can live their own lifestyle - after all that's where it originated - and carry on having lots of children, happily ever after. Return all these homes to the housing stock for OAPs who worked hard all their lives and use the saving in benefits for meals on wheels. Do this on an industrial scale. As for Rotherham Council - they seriously need restructuring. The savings there will also be worth making.
Has the Political left wing activist Thacker been suspended yet ? If not , why not ?
When I was a child in the 1950's there was no such thing as a Social Worker or Social Services and things went along Ok without them, how come we have and need them now?
social services target the innocent when they should be helping more kids that really do need help.
Perhaps, this is part of the fall out of the last Labour governments "Open Doors"(TM) policy for mass immigrations from EU States of the old Warzaw Pact States, and immigration general. Perhaps also, this Council is dominated by too many left wingers with their own 'agendas' and 'axes to grind' But we can never know what motivates Social Services Departments - it is often a case of "Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't!" (thanks a bunch the last Labour government - your 'All Inclusive, One Size Fits All' policies are going to have social implications for many, many years to come).
Do any of the Roma parents work, or do they contribute to UK taxes in any way? if not they should be sent back to where they came from
When i was a child in the forties i remember in cinemas seeing clips on Pathe news showing the German s.s. in some european countries herding children away from their familiesand thinking how terrible this was. Is Rotheram council not acting in the same way. This needs to be explained fully, not hidden away and these parents threatend with imprisonment if they speak publicly. Just who is responsible for taking these descisions.
Social Services have acted wrongly in this case, there is no doubt, but if the Slovak parents are so outraged, why don't they take their kids and go home. They won't, of course, as life is too good in this country on benefits. We will get more of this as the years go by, unless our politicians have the guts to control immigration.
So that is how Labour is doing it. Let anyone in, big families most welcome. Get the parents to vote Labour. Take away the kids on gounds you make up on the spot so the family wants to return home. Well done Liebour, good for this oudious party that everyone things is for the people and is really bad for the country.
Here's a plan - come out of the EU and these people will not have the right to live here and can return home to live however they choose.
More evidence that Labour controlled local councils and social services operate like the soviets in old Communist Russia. The Communists believed that children should be brought up by the state to ultimately be 'obedient workers' and would break up families as well. It's sad to see this archaic and failed socialist ideology still manifest itself in Britain in the 21st Century.
Blame the EU, yes - but it's our own traitor Left with their PC poison, pushing this on us with or without the PC EU.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists. - Rick60, Cuiaba, 7/12/2012 1:39>>>>>>>>>>> How do you know that? You are just a stereotyping racist.
Does anyone actually know where Gordon Brown is?
They should go back from whence they came and they can work and lead the life style they like.
There's more to Britain than just coming here for work. .blah,blah .blah - Mysay , Leicester, 07/12/2012 08:5 Another ignorant comment from an half literate Brit. I am a Brit living in Eastern Europe, You obviously have no idea about child care in Eastern Europe, so either come here and educate yourself about Eastern Europe, or shut up.
Perhaps if the Slovakians are demonstrating about their treatment in the UK it is probably best if they stay in Slovakia
Yes, yes all Social Worker are lazy, incompetent, racist lefties who should leave kids with their parents no matter what. That's until one of those kids are killed and then it's 'why didn't Social Work do something? What were they thinking? Let's scapegoat one of them (usually the student Social Worker who's caseload is 4 times bigger than is safe'. We've heard it all and have to carry on trying to keep kids safe under the most difficult of circumstances. It's just as well being a social worker is it's own reward, we certainly don't do it for the money or the thanks!
And I suppose if one of those children is snatched off the street at 2 in the morning then that would be social services fault for not protecting them?! Seriously enough is enough. If you chose to live here you are choosing to abide by our laws and customs.
We should close down all social services and make a fresh start.
"Those whom the God's wish to destroy they first make mad." How do we climb out of this rabbit hole?
Wrong very wrong
All families are given the practical support that the father has 'suggested' and many many steps on place before they remove children, unless they are in danger. They have chosen to come to Britain so therefore are obliged to suit our cultural expectations, as mentioned. E.g a clean home, school & not beating your children?
I am voting UKIP
I hate to side with the social services, we only hear from this father's side and I am sure there are good reasons for his children to be removed. I bet he is also on benefits and if he wants to go back to Slovakia, then the children should be returned to him and let him take his whole scrounging family back to his home country and save the taxpayers lots of money.
only ukip can stop this huge amount of cash uk is spending - wasting through being in eu.mr cameron will not get us out eu so we the public must unite and get ourselves out of eu by voting ukip.
Why are taxpayers supporting these children? If the Slovak Govt is complaining then send the children back.
The local social services are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. So now we have the Father an immigrant, all those children, living off the state, and if is found to be doing something wrong, in the way he is raising his children, then use's the Get out Clause, and plays the "Racism" card.... Never mind, that the authorities found one of their children rooming the streets at 02:00am in the morning....? Thats more then irresponsible. Why is this country having to deal with all these multi children migrant Family's anyway.....didn't take Them long to get a house.....Who's paying for it all...... US, the British mugs of Europe.....
"£40,000 a year for each of the seven children" ! How much are foster parents paid?
Social Services are a joke!
Oh I am shocked to hear this-this is plain wrong and heart breaking to all concerned.
If I moved to a foreign country, and they took away my children, I think I'd take them back and go home. Just a thought.
It is sheer madness to allow families or individuals into this country who are not able to support themselves Why on earth should the taxpayer continue to fund all these people flooding in to our country? Sounds like the father wants to go back, let him and take his entire brood with him
Terrible how they were treated. I completely understand if they all decide to go home. Except they won't of course... and we all know why.- Maggie, Oxford, 7/12/2012 2:04 >>>> We actually don't. We don't know much about the family at all due to the arcane secrecy laws that surround the work of the family courts. We don't know if they work hard and pay taxes or lie in bed all day and claim benefits. Myself and my husband are both 'EU migrants' so we feature in every Daily Mail shock statistic about immigration, especially the ones about birthrates to non-nationals (we have had two children in London). To make assumptions about people based solely on their ethnicity is racism at its most basic. You might want us to leave too us given similar sketchy details, but as it happens our UK tax contribution last year was over a million pounds.
Social Services dont act in many cases where abuse is known but do take away children from loving Foster familes because of their private views! This is incompetence beyond belief!
Lets be honest, this is getting far to close to home now in fact it happened last year in our road. The cases are being documented by people ,which are being recorded as the events unfold . Evidence is being stored for the children to be able to sue the LA's make sure that you are prepared to deal with the SS by secretly recording them. . People need to also question the amount of ££"s being spent on supervised contact . This needs to scrutinized,as the use of the contact centres,as these places are being funded by Government . So the Government need to address the part they play in all of this, as these children will come back and sue you one day. Families who have used these services , have long since renamed the CC's Children's Prisons . Once you enter into on of these CC's you have lost your chance of having favorable reports being done by the same firm that is owned by the solicitors . No names on here or the DM will not allow this comment!
Slovaks feel sorry for the kids but why are all these people in the uk and on benefits etc crazy
Wow, so they come over here with SIX children? We have to school them, give them healthcare, child benefit and lord only knows what else. No wonder this country is in a mess.
Why are we picking up the tab for this?....ship the whole family back to where try came from and let the authorities over there deal with it....
It's not their fault we let them come here. If, as the article suggests, this was a happy functional family who culturally are used to living in less hygienic conditions than we are and consider it OK to smack naughty children, then there is no excuse for taking their children.
What the hell is going on here? The government needs to step in. They want to leave give them back their children and let them go. How is it allowed that they can just take these people's children. Is it because they failed the young girls who were amused for years? Is this their way of compensating?
Osborne punishes the poor and the vulnerable to save a few million and here is clear evidence of why we are in such a mess. It is costing BILLIONS to absorb these families and the countless thousands who are here illegally. If the true facts were in the public domain there would be protests like we saw in 1990 with the Poll Tax.
I unserstand the secrecy for press not to name or hint at who they may be but why can you not talk to an MP? I suggest the while secret court police state, except not police rather interfering busy body social workers, needs an overhaul.
It broke the mother's heart because they don't get Child Benefit when the kids are in council care.......why else are all these people here except to take advantage of our insane welfare system , courtesy of the EU we cannot stop them. This is insanity and the Chancellor is taking more taxes from working people to support incomers' child and other benefits. The truth must be known .
The solution is for UK to get out of the EU and close our borders. It is madness to continue this mass influx of unskilled labour from poor EU countries into the UK, when over twenty per cent of our young people are unemployed, and our services are already stretched to breaking point.. UKIP is not racist, they are realists.
500 children a week taken from non UK families?? How shocking!! That's costing us a fortune!! Give them back to their families and send them all home.
So they can't be abusers then if they are Slovakian? This claptrap will frighten social workers into leaving kids in dangerous situations in case they are thought of as racist. DM for gods sake get both sides of the story not just one, there is probably a lot more going on than you can see!
- xXDanielleXx, London, United Kingdom, 7/12/2012 2:34 You forgot to mention that those who actually work (possibly/probably while claiming benefits) undercut British workers, thereby (i) putting British people out of work and (ii) depress the pay of thos
Social services have their own agenda ,never listen, always right
Absolutely disgusting! Whilst I agree fully that the children, if being brought up here, should be taught British ideals and conform to our culture - attending school, bedtime, etc - this is NO reason to take these children from their family - they aren't being ill treated, just treated differently! The only sanction should be refusal to renew the visa and the family sent home if they refuse to conform to our laws - not take their children - that is BRUTAL!
An easy solution: let these people return to Slovakia with their children. They now know how things work here. This happens to many British-born parents who are deemed to be neglecting their children, If there are different standards (better or worse) in their country of origin at least they have a choice. Oh, and £40,000/pa for each child in council care - do they feed and clothe them from Harrods?
whatever the culture or background of any family, the bottom line is whether the care offered to the children meets the standards set within the UK. If not, then the children are removed. as for removing children from EU migrants for adoption by british couples, how ludicrous. remember there is a huge row over the matching process and placing like with like. which is it?
I don't believe this story, the fact that the social workers still stand by there decision means they have good proof to remove these kids.
when in roma !!!!!!
They should be given the option of having the children back and returning to Slovakia. So should any family in a similar situation.
Yes! I agree with you who want to send back all roma families who are not working in britain and making troubles. But not all of them are like that and we have both groups here in Slovakia as well. Same as me, who wanna send all 'young british guys' back home to UK, who come to Slovakia for their stag parties, destroying our capital when they are completely drunk. But this article is not about roma ppl., its about CHILDREN. Many of them are taken away from their families by british social services without no reason, placing in foster families (f.e. 70yrs old mum with 30 yrs old husband). And is not just slovak, or eastern europeans, but also BRITISH kids, and you all guys paying for this!!! Do some research and find out HOW MUCH! Much more than you are paying for eastern europeans living in your country. It is one big business which is ruining many innocent families. This is really sick! Trust me, all of them would love to leave UK, but they just cant.. without their children !
Tony Blair's downing of Britain continues apace. The complete solution is in the hands of the current government; who tolerate the EU's rape of Britain and Britons.
There is discrimination against Roma people, there always has been sadly. I'm from a British Romani family, although my father abandoned the lifestyle in the 60s when he saw the world was changing. I still get abuse for it sadly. And a friend's landlady (not knowing my ethnicity) is always warning me about 'the Romanys' (Thanks!)But you simply cannot allow small children to be out on their own in the early hours of the morning! That's got nothing to do with race, bad parents are bad parents, regardless of their skin colour etc. The decision to remove these children from the UKIP family makes more sense now you see it's not just that they're white children from a different country (E. Europe) they're also from a different ethnic background and race (and yes, Romani people ARE a race in their own right, we're all descended from N.India and Pakistan originally - google Romani Russia and see how Indian they look). I can't imagine UKIP supporters like the Romani people somehow!
I know of a case right now where a child has been denied care within birth family and Social Services has not said whether the child is placed here or abroad!
so much for bliars open door policy
I've a novel idea lets give the whole gravy train the boot i.e. get rid of the whole rotten mess that is social work and the EU. Now I'd vote for that manifesto tomorrow.......anybody else ??
And now you see why this country is on its knees and why its going to take years and years before we're out of this financial mess. Personally I dont think we will EVER recover until we close the door and stop any more foreigners coming in
I am so glad to see this is finally making headlines! I don't know much about THIS family which are Roma and obviously lead a different lifestyle even compared to Slovak people! There are many other families going through this. There is a mother who has studied childcare and has a certificate even that enables her to open a small creche in the comfort of her own home....she's been living in UK for many years (together with her husband and 2 boys), paying taxes, never claimed benefits and now she's living without her children just because she had them taken away by the British Social Services! Something seriously stinks here!!!! I can understand that a Roma family is not adapting to the way of life as they should (not all the Slovaks are Roma) but trust me the Slovak are not animals. They take education very seriously and live in clean homes.
There's more to Britain than just coming here for work. We have laws & you can't live as you do in most European Country's where the Governments don't get involved with such things as child-care. Though I disagree that any foster child should be removed for political reasons, the chances are that these children were allowed to run ragged as no doubt they can in their own Countries. If they don't fit in to British life, go back home & stop moaning. It is not for us to fit our laws around your culture, it is for you to fit in to the way we do things.
So the Slovak father is a handsome and articulate man who beats his children enough to have them taken away from him? He would like to go home but can't because he wants to be there for his estranged children? What a joke.
If they live here then they live by our rules. They are happy to take money off the social but dont want the social interfering with their business - you cant have it both ways.
I hope Eastern European families hear about this and stay away from Britain.
What else don't we know, knew there would be a follow up to this story. This country is a joke. There is no money as it is.
If my child were found on the streets at 2 am I'd expect someone to step in and protect him, can someone please explain why it should be acceptable if you are an immigrant. If they want to come here they have to abide by the laws of the UK.
And we keep being told immigration does nothing but good for the economy.
UK is going to go bust soon if this immigration is not stopped...........
I quite agree. I was a Foster Carer for 5 years. All the time I was doing it the only people I had dealing with at the Council were WASPS. White Anglo Saxon Protestants. (as indeed am I) Although a couple may have been Catholics. I dont have an opinion about Politics and I have not voted for 50 years so perhaps I was accepted as an ideal Foster Carer.
Stepping back from European politics will be hard and costly us, Britain is a Nation of gritty and determined spirit and the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.
Am i being off the mark by saying that it could be all to do with making money out of fostering children????? at £40,000 per child per year thats a hell of a lot of money and who is getting it, i would seriously reccomend an in depth investigation into the personal bank accounts of all people involved in the adoption process... Its the first thing that came to mind once i read this article
Here's a thought, DM. How about you quit the biased hatchet jobs on Social Services and let them get on with their jobs without you writing one sided stories designed to discredit them despite the fact that you little clue why they've made the decisions they have or what laws and policies have compelled to take these actions.
Whether the families should be sent back or not,the appaling thing is that "evidence given by social workers and their hired medical workers cannot be publicly challenged"....are these people answerable to NO one,then?It reminds me of what we Brits did in Australia .. "The Lost Generation".
The amount of racism and vitriol contained in DM comments pertaining to foreigners never cease to amaze me.
Lets have the names of these faceless people who are deemed fit to decide what is right and wrong lets have their names so we can all give them what they deserve!!! the contempt of every person in the UK
"Not smacking their children." Yes Mr Eastern European, you too can 'benefit' from our liberal, no-touch rules, you too can have ill-disciplined, bad mannered and unruly yobs. Just like the British have at the hands of the liberals.
Am i being off the mark by saying that it could be all to do with making money out of fostering children????? at £40,000 per child per year thats a hell of a lot of money and who is getting it, i would seriously reccomend an in depth investigation into the personal bank accounts of all people involved in the adoption process... Its the first thing that came to mind once i read this article...
Let this family, and any others, have their children back, providing that they immediately return to their own country where their ideas of childcare do not raise problems with the authorities.
A full public enquiry must take place over this debacle. It is beginning to look like these social workers are working to an agenda and not in the interest of the children.
Too much power in the hands of a few people without any control is very dangerous.
Where IS our referendum?
The British taxpayer would not be responsible for these people if it were not for the crazy rules of the EU. I blame our useless, spineless politicians for this.
The article does not mention anywhere exactly how the father supported his large family before the children were taken away? Most English families over the years have managed to have families they thought they could support in view of the income they had. When moving abroad, it was necessary, especially in France for example, to prove you had an income that would be sufficient to support you to avoid claiming off of the state. Of course, the wonderful benefit system in the UK does not do this and I wonder how long we can continue to pay for everyone in Europe who wishes to take advantage of the kind of social engineering that encourages foreigners to claim without having to contribute in any way?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case it would seem that these labour councils in South Yorkshire think that they are a law unto themselves. It used to be Liverpool and Lambeth which were bastions of the loony left movement but their role has been usurped by these political zealots.
The sad fact is that people from other cultures have different methods of parenting and it is naive to expect them to walk off a ferry and embrace the British way of life instantly. Frankly, people from Slovenka are mainly economic migrants and want the work and/or benefits. The benefits system has skewed badly from its original purpose that the abuse of it is endemic. Only radical changes in the benefits system will solve many of the problems that it has created. I'm sure that most parents love their children, even if we don't approve of their methods of raering. Give the children back to their parents and send them back to Slovenka with a few quid in their pockets and then change the benefits system to stop immigrants from cliaming benefits until they've paid NI for 3 years.
I moved here from another country and I'm happily adapting to the English ways! I eat bangers and mash now who would of thought!!
Shame, shame, on all those who voted Labour in Rotherham.
It just gets worse....
Only in Britain can you make a problem that should cost you 25 -30 k cost 350k!
So it's a lifestyle not to send children to school eh? Well that's unacceptable or are we expected then to fund all the future illiterate generations who are unemployable and will probably either live on benefits or turn to crime to make their way? They had a choice when they came here they should be given the choice to return if they wish to live that way. The taxpayer would rather fund the flight home than subsidise them for years.
Social Services and their secret family courts have way too much power. It should be up to the parent to raise their child how they wish. Social Services should only intervene in cases of abuse or obvious neglect. That said if you want to bring up your child in your own county's tradition then live in that country - you can't have it both ways.
Why are we allowing anyone into the UK without any means to support themselves, or their family? Politicians are absolutely useless at trying to resolve this problem. Just go down to Dover any day of the week and see the amount of young children on coaches from Europe and think that within days they will all become a drain on the United Kingdom Social Services. The UK is seen as a gold mine for so many & it is big business with agents assisting families by moving and educating them on how to obtain benefits. The move into the UK at this time of the year will be bigger than ever as the PC brigade will try all they can to house them.
Think what you will of migrants, but considering English children are left under the care of their drug using parents with social services full knowledge, I find their actions with these families reprehensible. They are messing up a whole generation of people psycologically...
They should return to their own country if they don't like our ways.
We have surrendered our Country to an Marxist Doctrine ! We are ALL to blame !!!
You vote Labour, you get Thought Police. You've only yourselves to blame!
I think this country is in a serious state of collapse. The wrong people are in control and are wrecking the place.
Labour would love nothing more than a european wide police state
A wonderful example of Lefty / Common Purpose twisted reasoning from those who would have us belief they are fit to run our country.
The far left in England are a lot more intolerant than the right wing ever were.
Those who complain will still vote for the 'main' parties at the next election and this will carry on regardless.
Always suspected social workers were out of control. Family wreckers.
What a complete mess. We don't have a society where it's OK to have vulnerable little children wandering the streets, or left home alone while both parents are out. Children from another culture, not going to school in the host country can't be allowed. Once grown they will have even more trouble integrating, and that is a big enough problem already. Are this large family self supporting, do they own their own house, etc. If not why are we allowing families like this, with different cultural ways here in the first place, if they are having to be supported by the state. This goes to show that families coming here should be self sufficient and pass citizenship tests, as anyone going to Australia from this country has had to. As for the social services, in past years they have been all to ready to leave children in families of addiction and unsuitability, with the mantra families must be kept together. What is and has been going on in Rotherham needs close scrutiny and transparency.
We have let the reins of good governance slip from our fingers, never to be retrieved. A shocking and ominous end to a once great, proud country.
Open the courts to the public.
Social workers and those employed in organisations like cafcass are out of control. People have virtually no recourse over their decisions aside from writting to an MP. They are sick with power and a law unto themselves.
This is all a sign of things to come. Eventually we will have more Europeans claiming benefits than ethnic Britons. I hope that in the years to come we all remember the 'politicians' that have brought us to this.......Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Balls et al. Lets call an end to this madness and leave the EU immediately.
UKIP are the party to save the UK.
Poor children, I feel sorry for the 17 year old mother too having her baby taken away like that- how awful. All the people saying "send them back" - would you leave your children and go to another country?
" Why should there be different laws for immigrants? They have moved to the UK and if they don't like the culture and society, they have an obvious option. Bye bye."- Baldrick, From out West, Canada, 7/12/2012 2:30-----What a stupid comment to make! They have had their children taken from them.
These politically correct idiot social workers are just a bunch of out of touch middle-class hypocrites!!!
Please get us out of this EU mess.
Had to delete all I had written, it would never have been printed, think I might change my signature to "Brit in despair"
As we have all seen. Putting children into care is by no means looking after them. I would fear for my kids safety It's disgusting that so many are taken from their parents when their families could easily look after them.
Aha. Roma. Return the children to them and make them go back from where they came. Then the whole family can go live their Roma lifestyle back in Slovakia. Why move to Britain if you aren't going to make some effort to adapt? - Joy, Not the USA, 07/12/2012 02:48 Took the words out of my mouth.
Social workers need to bring evidence to a judge before children can be removed. Decisions aren't just made by one individual. I wouldn't do that job for all the tea in china!
Left wing social workers like most public sector workers, particularly at your local council. Have proved time and time again that they are unfit for the purpose. The whole British government and bloated public sector needs reforming as it is rotten from the top down. However I agree that if foriegners come here to live, they should live as we do, or not come here.
I didn't read that these families are supporting themselves in the UK. Therefore under EU law they should be returned to their home countries.
You have to feel some sympathy for this family, but we are struggling to provide services for our own peope, let alone endless immigrants. The immigration open door has to be closed,but the Govt are opening it wider, as from end of 2013 30m people from Bulgaria & Romania will be free to move, live, work & claim benefits here.
As a former foster carer for twenty years, and magistrate, I had obvious dealings with social workers. In twenty years I only ever met about ten who used their inniative - most used the rule book and their own expanded views in situations. When one can work in the Council housing department then get transferred with limited training to the social services department to help staffing levels you know that social services are not fit for purpose. In the 1940s outside London t most towns had about five social/welfare officers, now there are more social workers covering the UK than total members of the armed forces. It is the army of social workers who should be reduced not the armed forces! If social workers treat a council rule book as their God, instead of using their own inniative they are not much good!
I pity any family that ends up in the Family Court.
The accusation about social workers being racist is probably a bit extreme but the whole industry does need reorganising. The main problem is the recruitment of graduates straight into the department when they have very little experience of real life situations.
These sort of terrifying events are not just happening to Slovak families and not just in Rotherham, Social Services and Safeguarding "Officers" in particular seem to have completely forgotten their first and primary role in protecting children is to assist struggling parents, hence the word Services. Anyone who has any contact with this type of council worker should get immediate legal advice and ensure they and the pilice know you are doing so.
These families should consider the way they wish to live their lives. Live the life of your own culture and bring up your children as you wish in your own country where this is accepted or if they want to take advantage of our benefits system then they should be prepared to live as we do.That is their choice, simple.
Derek, London...I bet there aren't many residents in Rotherham that pay council tax....I suspect most will be on benefits.
All those degrees for people who work in social services and this is the best way to integrate immigrants they can think of. The family courts must be made transparent and quickly to stop this dictatorial behaviour.
Why are whole families allowed to come and live here at OUR expense? Madness!! The austerity measures will do NOTHING while this situation carries on.
In time we will look back at what social services have done in the last decade with horror.
England, what have you become, an utter laughing stock
Thank god I live on a small island
Osborne - this is where our benefit money is going.
...and how much is this costing us taxpayers?
The Slovak government ought to provide more resources for its ethnic people, so it would be more advantageous for them to stay in their country of birth, helped by Slovak taxpayers not British ones.
YOU VOTED LIBLABCON. ENJOY!
3500 in Rotherham alone!? And that's just Slovak people?! No wonder the housing and healthcare systems are under pressure! I think its a child's human right to get an education. If they don't get one, what hope do they have of supporting there own family one day.
People don't realise how difficult it is for the Council. The last government have allowed these people to live here. They are living in cramped conditions, sometimes 20 to one terraced house. You see them every day in groups hanging around the town, and you can tell they are no good - no intent to work, smoking, spitting, etc. and yes many of the local folks do this too, but the Council are obliged to help them and also act when there is something wrong. They wouldn't have taken the kids away from the parents without good reason.
Children are removed and so should be if they are thought to be in danger, regardless of their nationality. There is more to this story, the newspaper is not able to judge the facts from a 'family friend' nor is it as simple as giving the kids back so they can leave the country.
Another example of the abuse of power. There should be a social services department to protect children from social services.
Or....... They could just go home to Slovakia, no?
Reading this it seems no-one comes up to ss standards and the only acceptable (to them) place for these children is in "care". What an horrendous state of affairs.
There is something rotten in the state of Rotherham. Apologies to Will Shakespeare but I'm sure that he would write a play about this if he were alive today - a tragedy no doubt.
Guess I'm missing something here but what is it about Slovakian lifestyle that caused social services to take six children? When you move to a new country you take on their laws, not theother way around.
The stupid residents of Rotherham keep voting in the same clowns in and get the governance they deserve..
How much does all this nonsense cost ????
Social services are nasty, narcissistic and like vultures, picking over the bones of easy prey.
I agree. The social workers I speak to, know personally, have worked with on the whole are recruited from a narrow political basis. Left wing, pro prisoner, never the victim who see people as objects to be slotted into pigeon holes of class status.middle class people are always thought of as being damaging to children.
don't be too quick to criticise the social workers we don't know the full story.
Wow. Hard to believe people still take everything they read as gospel... I really wish SW's were able to respond and tell their side of the story. Children cannot be taken away on a whim. To remove a child requires evidence that the child is at significant risk of harm. There is always more to a story folks.
If a small child is wandering the streets at 2am there is a huge safeguarding concern in that household. On inspection the house was found to be infested with mice. Social care cannot just walk into a house and remove children. There is a legal process which must be followed. Social workers perform an initial assessment on a family to identify need then a core assessment is carried out where the family are given the opportunity to engage with support services to improve their situation. Only if the family do not wish to, or manage to improve things will an application be made to the court to remove children. The final decision is made by a magistrate NOT social workers. You can bet damn sure there is far more to this story than the DM is reporting and social services are duty bound not to discuss details of any action.
what on earth is happend to the uk?
In order to remove children, social workers need to prove in court the child is suffering or is likely to suffer significant harm... For obvious reasons the facts of this case are not being made public but I'm sure there are/were serious child protection concerns in order to start the court process.
Please put these Roma families back together and send them to their own countries. Not only is it so unfair to these children to be moved from the family in the first place, but then to move them again on a political (Labour) whim. It is costing us the taxpayer a fortune. Send them back home where they want to be.
As with all these stories about children in care, only one side is given, and the council cannot put their side because of confidentiality issues.
If 500 English kids are taken into care every WEEK as stated, there really is a need for a Judicial Review. It could readily be argued that cultural tensions are inevitable when races come here from non socialist countries. Of course socialist ideology is going to be a shock to them, it's incomprehensible to many of us and we've lived with it for well over a decade. But if 260,000 children are being taken from mum every year, it should be a real wake up call to all of us. It's blatent intimidation. If caring for that family's children is costing council tax payers £280,000 a year there is no fiscal defence for not allocating them direct help. Smacking in this Country is NOT illegal and removing children for it SHOULD be illegal.
LOL, UK is paying for other countries social ills
Time for a full and independent enquiry....just like the Jimmy Savile one, where lots of noise will be made, lots of high -ish profile people are taken in for questioning to satisfy peoples' lust for an outcome, but in the end, the REAL high profile miscreants are not touched and the whole sorry saga dies a death from peoples' boredom and apathy. In other words, it will be kicked into the long grass because it is far too sensitive for the British people to know about.
This country permits Roma and Slovak citizens and their families to settle here, but dissaproves of their lifestyle enough to remove their children from them. What sense or justice is there in this state of affairs ? Has this country and its' rulers gone stark raving mad ? Surely, if the families are accepted then they must remain intact, or else why let them in ?
The EU is costing Britain an absolute fortune. The migrants are either claiming benefits, housing and healthcare in massive numbers, or their children are having to be fostered, for which costs are enormous. This is a joke. It's bankrupting the Country, how can anyone argue migration is a net benefit? I agree with the MP, send the whole families BACK to Eastern Europe, like Sarkozy did in France deporting Roma en masse, and let their Countries deal with it. We have enough English people who can't look after their own kids without importing millions more.
Why should there be different laws for immigrants? They have moved to the UK and if they don't like the culture and society, they have an obvious option. Bye bye.
The sooner we get ourselves out of the EU the better. If they come here for a better life then they have to adopt our ways and culture.
Children first. I do disagree with the 'lifestyle' of NOT sending children to school, but if the children are happy with their parents, I think it is best for the children and at least cost to tax payers, if instead of removing the children from the parents and fostering them out, that you keep the children with the parents but have someone come pick up the children and get them to school. I think child services seem more concerned with punishing parenting choices than the welfare of the children. Children were stolen from an HK couple in Canada by the services, even though they weren't even Canadian citizens yet, because their home was deemed to dirty, I think hooking them up with volunteers to clean their home would be better for the children and less cost for the state. Maybe they were too busy, but even if the parents are too lazy to clean, if they love their children enough, I think rewarding them with cleaners is a lesser evil than separating children from loving parents!
Wow , these immigrants are costing us more than i thought , much more , i wonder how the residents of Rotherham like paying their council tax ? Bad enough without all that childcare cost , glad i don't live there .
Terrible how they were treated. I completely understand if they all decide to go home. Except they won't of course... and we all know why.
The Socialist Services need to be held to account they could be doing anything and who would know?
Sorry, but we need to send these families back to their own country.
They should go home they are only here are benefit tourists.
"So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house. - Amanda Prole, Uk, Sorry to tell you Amanda but your neighbour doesn't 'own' their car. They may be the registered keeper. They signed it away when they registered it with the DVLA, that's why they can take it away and crush it. Same goes for your children when you registered their birth. Read 'your strawman'
Disgusting, what are they doing here anyway? Throw them out.
this country is a joke
Call a window company, arrange to have every door and window in the house removed. When the company arrive to do it, call the police and tell them it's your house, you can do what you like with it!! Would be cheaper than the cost of otherwise evicting these vermin. And I'd write to the elctricity copany saying these creatures took over occupancy and have a tenancy agreement to prove it!! Let them sort it out!
A total lack of common sense. This is happening more in Walthamstow. Surely the "legal" document is false and the person who allegedly took a £2000 deposit should get done under "obtaining money under false pretences". Or perhaps the "tenants" got someone to print out a false agreement? Then that's fraud? Both of those are criminal acts surely? Waltham Forest Council I hope are chasing the new squatters for Council Tax.
MADNESS!!!!So if someone breaks into your house and leaves the house then they are breaking the law and police treats them as suspects and criminals but if someone breaks into your house,steals your things,is ruining your property and decides to stay then it becomes a civil matter and you have to sue them and spend thousands of pounds to get them out of your house.Put the hand cuffs and throw them in jail and send them back where they came from.
I think it.s about time the Law was changed on this matter, How can u just move into someone,s house, the mind boogles, Only in the U K can this happen, Police should be checking the visa for all involved,This poor Women is going to have to spend a small fortune to resolve this in the Courts, Good Luck to u Mrs Masons,U are going to need it, This could take forever to sort out.
Some Police Stations close at night, I wonder how the Police would react if a bunch of squatters moved in during the night and changed the locks. I am willing to be they would immediately class it as breaking and entering and arrest the lot. Saying breaking into people's homes is a civil matter is the easy option, no crime to record and no work to do!
mel w, england. What a good idea of having the dogs go in. They do not like dogs, so the bigger the better. Drill the lock off. Who can arrest you for doing something on your own property. The law is an ass.
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts. - Dan, Essex, 18/1/2012 13:53 I think I agree with you Dan but please improve your English so that we can have a clearer understanding what you are saying.
I wish someone would break into a police station or No:10, change the locks and brandish a tenancy agreement - then see just how that pans out... it is beyond comprehension that this flaw in the law hasn't been resolved. Poor woman!
they broke in ? so that is breaking and entering !! the police should arrest them and deport the lot !! this govt should make a law against these parasites asap !!
Here in the U.S a faction of the "occupy" movement believes in universal housing and has begun breaking into foreclosed homes and squatting in them. Hope this doesn't make it to your shores because it seems your laws are less defined than ours. I wonder what will happen when our illegals begin squatting and I wonder what will happen to you when your "occupiers" catch on to universal housing.
The law really has to change. How can it be so easy for complete strangers to break into your home and live there and not be arrested. These blockers will also leave a filthy mess behind. I feel very sorry for Mrs Mason as she'll have difficulty selling it now.
So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house.
This cannot be entirely accurate surely. These people have trespassed and broken into somebody's private house. Why can't the police do anything about it? What exactly are the police for any more, they don't seem to be able to do damn all - have all their powers been removed? I despair of this country, these damn low lifes are making a mockery of all held sacred in this country and nobody can do anything about it. Before long there will be a mightly backlash and people will take the law into their own hands and it will be because of this governments lack of taking to task these people who probably have no right here and should have simply been thrown out on their ears. I am completely disgusted at what is happening to my country.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
Offer to rent it to the council. They'll soon get them out.
I suspect they wouldn't dare do this in their own country, why do we allow it here?. It's so obviously breaking and entering, if the law isn't changed before long, communities will have to resort to policing their own neighbourhoods to stop this sort of thing happening again and again.
If she needs to lend my kids and a Great Dane, she can.........2 hours and they'd soon move out.
How can it be a civil matter when they broke into the house? Last I heard that was against the law. Come on, police, grow a pair and throw the bums out! Remember whose taxes pay your salaries.
The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know? - robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nobody asked them to come here.
I am originally from Moldova and, don't get me wrong, but they look nothing like Moldovans. I am not being racist, but no one from another country would really want to move to Moldova (it's the poorest country in Europe), so the race has stayed as it was from centuries ago. We love foreign people coming to visit us! But I'd think they were mad to want to stay. So there is no chance that they were Moldovan. May I kindly ask the Daily Mail to check their facts before they damage the reputation of Moldovans. Either way, I do agree that squatting should be better regulated.
I don't understand on a number of points. 1. I don't have to pay for the electricity for my legal tenant so why do they for a bunch of people who are trespassing. 2. The owner should just wait until everyone goes out for the day, break in through the back door as they did and take occupancy. honest mlaud, that junk on the garden was there when I arrived. 3. put webcams up watching their every move 4,. a tenancy agreement is null and void if the person issuing it doisn't have a legal right to do so otherwise you all owe me a lot of rent you mail online readers, pay up.
Thanks to all the politicians from the last 100 years for not sorting this sort of mess out. Shame on you all.
how come squatting is not a crime? luckily it's not so in my country as many are forced to rent even a small room in slump areas and there's no housing benefit system here.
Their tenancy agreement is not worth the paper it is written on, and since when did you have to break into a house that you are renting. This is an appalling story once again of lawlessness in this country. Just come in and do what you like. My heart goes out the owners, as their life will be hell for months now. The government should address this law immediately...
police or no police i would reclaim my house with every force and means necessary, takes the mick that the police are powerless which i can't understand why they are powerless?? the are taking something which doesn't belong to them which in my eyes is the least theft and another law is tresspassing??? this is why we should be out of the EU and quick before we get another influx of Eastern Europenas bleeding our country dry x
I am a Gas Safe registered engineer. I regularly carry out gas inspections for rented properties. This is a legal requirement for the landlord to arrange. I wonder if this property has a certificate in place. Even if it does, it is recommended that when a property changes hands a new certificate is done. This would be the perfect time to arrange an engineer to visit the property and cap the gas meter(since its her property, she can have the meter capped if she wishes, certainly if the 'tenant' refuses entry). Im not an electrician, but surely she could do the same with the electric..
Whether they are eastern europeans or any other nationality,our once great nation is being invaded and without a shot being fired. Unlike in 1914 and 1939 we are surrendering,we just have not got the will to do anything about it.
How can breaking and entering be a civil matter? Surely that's against the law? What a stupid country we live in. Someone should take a shotgun and threaten to shoot them if they don't get out pronto. Presumably the Police would act if someone did that?
We are always reading about this in the newspapers, please stop reporting it! They must hear about it then tell their friends. Also If only they would STOP giving free legal aid to foreigners this would stop all the 'human rights' and silly laws. Close the loophole! What Politicians do not seem to realise, is that everything has an affect on everything else. Giving 'rights' away to people who do not live in this country is making us less civilised.
I'm not condoning ''Squatting '', BUT is this really a case of Squatting? After all, The family had a ''tenancy agreement'' from a Sharon Wright from December 28, and paid £2,000.? If so, did they believe they were in the right? After all, the Police examined the ''Agreement'', and was it them who refused the mobile number? If this is true, then it is a case of Fraud ? It is also no longer a Civil matter, but a crime!
Successive LibLabCon governments have promised to put an end to this outrage, and none have even scratched the surface of the problem. If you want change, vote for it! Also, outside the EU, we would be free to remove these spongers back to their own country.
Can Cameron sort this out when he's finished fantasying with Sam? No he can't. What a total waste, a plonker from the Bullingdon Club
Break in and start squatting in your own house, what can the illegals do?
I'm prepared to go and help "remove" the squatters... Anyone with me?
Gutless law enforcement .Cameron if you really want to gain many votes tackle issues like these, Or should home owners take the their own decisive measures.Theft and trespass pure and simple. Fix the law and quickly.
All EU resident must either be employed or if not must register with immigration within 3 months and take out private health insurance. That is EU law. Strictly enforced in Cyprus and we deport Brits who don't comply.
Problem? What problem? The attitude of government Ministers to the heartbreaks suffered by law-abiding British citizens that are caused by these squatters seems to be "I'm alright, Jack !". Ministers simply do not care about you !
What about the owners human rights to sell their own home?? Breaking and entering - how could that never be a criminal offence? How about starting with the theft of a supermarket trolley and a check on money laundering and fraud based on the payment of £2000, Surely the owner can cancel her payments and inform the Energy/Utility companies of the situation?. The irony is that they will probably get legal aid and she faces a huge legal bill. Yet again a win win situation for lawyers, hence the reason why laws are never in favour of the law abiding citizen.
Thieves and v ermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ? - John Johnstone, Moscow, Russia. - - - Hello John. In the UK it doesn't matter if the televsion is switched on, if it's in the house then the license fee is due. One would hope that the police thought the legal owners had enough on their plate without checking their TV license while they were making sure the squatters were doing nothing illegal. Be assured that the TV license authority will be on the case within a week of a license lapse, and will issue threatening letters and send enforcement officers to see the occupants.
Thieves and vermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
Turn off the electric,water and other utilities if possible, go in and remove any of their property if possible. Get in to the house,make it unbearable for them to live there and force them out. It is unacceptable that anyone, either from this country or not, can live in someone elses property and there is no way to remove them. It's disgusting.
Since when are trespassing and breaking and entering legal? Britain has gone completely bonkers...
They are Moldovan,not in EU ,here illegally,eject!
Stories like this make me sick to the stomach. When will these legal loopholes be closed and police given more immediate powers to remove squatters?? "Mr Popescu, do you have any ID to prove that you are in any way legally linked to this address? No? Then you're trespassing and outta here!" This Country has really gone down the pan.
Its illegal here and England should follow ASAP.
Would it be against the law to kick the door in (to your own home) and physically throw them out? England is a laughing stock here in America (if only you knew). It used to be a country we looked up to in some ways, now in no ways at all. The richest third world country on earth...Don't agree? It's run like a third world country....and that is EXACTLY what it is. Your cops are useless, worse than useless. Very sad for the average folks over there, sack your government officials and take back your honor for Godsake! Sorry to rant, but England is not geared for its people anymore and gives all the jobs and opportunities to unworthy immigrants and bleeds your economy dry and you do NOTHING ABOUT IT!
The house still belongs to the owners so let them take out all of the windows and doors and see how long the squatters stay after that.
Could someone please explain to me how this possible.? How is it that some people can move into your house and the police not do anything??? Really perplexed. ...can not get my head around it. How could a law like that exist ?
'The salt in the wound is that I even have to pay for the electricity they use while they are in there' - Not if you phone the electric company (as well as the gas, phone and water companies), tell them you no longer live there and have no intention of paying the bill and I assume they'll cut off the supply?! Can't see anyone wanting to live there too long with no heating, light or water....!
She will have to either take the law into her own hands ( and there are plenty of Russians here who would help her for a few hundred pounds )or bribe them to leave . Neither is satisfactory but until the politricians start listening to the people of this country what can you do ? I wonder if any benefits are being paid to this address ?
And that's why I'm glad we moved here to Canada. It certainly doesn't and wouldn't happen here. One call to police and the squatters would be heavily handled outta the door. But don't keep blaming UK police - their hands are tied by the spineless government - hence why my husband quit his job and now polices here where cops are actually respected and given support from the government.
This may be a case of a fraudulent tenancy agreement rather than squatting. The proposed changes to the squatting laws will make little difference here. Landlord-Tenant disputes will still be civil matters, so that an unscrupulous Landlord could not use the squatting law to summarily evict a tenant over a dispute. It should not take months to establish rightful ownership and prosecute for fraud.
Why don't decent citizens set up groups to force the illegal sqatters out of people's lawful homes. If the police won't presecute the squatters they shouldn't prosecute their opponents.
The matter of this house will of course be raised in the House of Commons especially by Europhiles Nick Clegg and the LibDems -- LOL!
Simple answer phone the electric company, the gas company and the water. Tell them you are the owner and want the utilities cut off as you will not be responsible for the bills. If they refuse tell them you won't pay and happily go to court to put your case over. At the moment whilst the bill is yours., the minute they turn on even a light it becomes theft ( as they are not intending to pay )which is a criminal offence and they can be arrested. Tell the police to do their job !
It would not be a CIVIL MATTER if it was a coppers house,.
I reckon if any of our politicians have bothered to read this story they have probably tutted and thought to themselves that someone should do something about it. Then returned to filling in their expenses claim form. Green arrow if you just KNOW how you would sort this out.
I get it - when I buy a house, I am literally buying it for squatters, not for myself, how sillly of me to think other wise. This story boils my blood!
This article is a showcase DM piece. Sad-face picture to lead off; the value (and a picture) of the house effortlessly worked into the story; foreign, pregnant, scrounging 'villains' and ineffective police. However, without a celebrity, TV or film tie-in, the story is too difficult to grasp. Surely there must have been a made-up 'squatter' story on television that this can be compared to so that readers can understand what's going on?
Were it my house I would immediately embark on 'home improvements'. Remove the cheapest door with a 7lb hammer, throw out the squatters, occupy the property, and when the Police turned up.... deny everything! Then order everyone off my property and tell them all it's a private matter and nothing to do with the law! Illegal? Only if you're fool enough to admit anything.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
The authorities don't care about the house owners because they are white and English. There's nothing to gain for the race hustlers and government busybodies by becoming involved.
this is mind boggling. In the US this type of thing is a crime and should be in england as well. Can the property owner turn off access to utilities (elcetric and water). the tenancy agreement is clearly fraudulent. why can't the police cite the squatters for fraud? can't understand this at all.
What happened about the law being changed? Another broken Cameron promise to add to the long long list.
do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49 Sure Deb everyone is frustrated with the law not protecting these homeowners but calling them rats and saying that they will overrun the entire country just makes you sound like a Nazi.
As the owner of the property, I would remove all the doors and windows. Let the 'tenants' take it up with their 'landlady'.
What are these Moldovans doing here anyway? Instead of this couple and her home being thrown to the wolves by ineffectual, lying politicians and others, who are too busy hounding people with disabilities or elderly people, they should get to grips with the REAL problems in this country. This country is overcrowded and a magnet for dangerous terrorists, scroungers, criminals, baby-making machines, forged passport-bearers, sham marriage-arrangers, metal-thieving, cable-stealing scum and greedy capitalists and bankers!
In the US if this happened you could legally shoot the intruders if they refused to leave.
This is, yet, another example of how mass immigration and the Open Border Policy has enriched our country - not!
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
Lazy, lying Police! Breaking and entering is NOT a civil matter. IF, these people broke in through the back as the article states then it is a criminal offence and obviously a Police matter. IF they turned up and found the door flapping in the wind, or someone else broke in and gave them a key, then the owners need to take a civil action and ask the court for an eviction notice, it won't take long. But of course the incredibly lazy British Police Farce would much rather just assume there was no offence committed and give up before they even start
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts.
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
I think the DM could provide a great service to us by publishing the addresses needed so that the writers on here could send their views to their MP's and to Dave Cameron. Maybe we could reclaim our own Country. What about it DM??
What a load of boloney, these "squatters" are house breakers an should be treated as such!
Absolutely disgusting!! Evict and deport them immediately , no messing!!
Come on gettless CAMERON get down ther and sort it, we are a laughing stock AH too much to hope for got some mates love better option.
There is no such thing in law as "squatters rights", any laws cited by squatters are usually those that are intended to protect lawful tenants of properties from unscrupulous landlords. Forcing entry into a property and committing trespass is unlawful and gives the owner/occupier the right to require them to leave, and if they fail to do so the police can evict them. You are also permitted to forcibly enter your own property as long as a breach of the peace is not being committed - usually though it will be the squatter doing so by trying to prevent access by the rightful owner.
Strangely people still ask why we left Britain
Seems to me ludicrous that the police can't (or won't) do anything. Breaking and entering a private property is still an offence, a frauduent tenancy agreement given by a woman who decieved everyone and pocketed £2000 to boot. Are their immigration papers in order or are they illegal immigrants. If they live on benefits they should be chucked out of the house immediately and placed into council homes. When is the law going to change? This whole thing is a shameful disgrace for the nation. I feel so so sorry for the owner.
What is it going to take for the majority of the electorate to realise that as long as they keep electing governments that supports all these abominable, unjust and unpallatable things, nothing will change.
The UK now looks ridiculous to the world and it used to be such a great place.
What is happening in the UK at the moment. It seems like there is no protection for the law abiding hard working British citizen. People squatting in other peoples property, causing them endless problems, benefits cheats living in luxury while hard working citizens struggle to pay mortgages and taxes. British government get your act together, you are becoming like an African country. In SA we have squatters but at least no benefit cheats living in luxury cos the benefits are so little.
Welcome to Camerons Britain,you asked for it you voted him in-Tony Cheltenham England. Don't be an idiot...the laws of squatting have been on the statute books for hundreds of years....Tony Blair and his brood did a big fat zero.....Kenneth Clark and this goverment ARE doing somthing about it.....you Tony of Cheltenham have a very selective brain and not for the first tme in these posts!!!!!!!
one of the actions the police SHOULD have taken is whether they have a legal right to be in the UK in the first place ? moldovia isnt in the EU so they have either , falsely claimed to be from there , entered illigally over stayed their visa NOT from there and from somewhere else (giving false information to the police) are they working ? if so do they pay tax ( tax avodance a crime) there are a number of crimes being (possibly) at the time the police rocked up so at least one of those should be used to arrest them , appart from thee breaking in fake documents and theift of property , why are these people NEVER fully investigated ? there are no excuses on funding as they cost us millions each so a few grand wont go a miss if it saves a few million , word of warning to theese people as i libe round that way , i have a very big dog that makes no nise ...a secured home .... and i will tell the police i was assulted and ejected from my home regardless thank you
It would be interesting to see how "powerless" the police would be if squatters moved in to a house owned by one of their colleagues.
I can't believe the access to anybody's property could be granted so easily, just with sleight of hands. I wish the poor owner to banish those intruders as soon as possible by all means.
This story is one for the Prime Minister to address, if only to convince his loyal subjects that he gives a jot .
The Police need to intervene NOW in this case, and their Benefits should be stopped and used to pay for the mess they have made. A lesson should be made of them so they understand that in ENGLAND this is not acceptable behaviour. As immigrants in ENGLAND they are subject to the same law that applies to us all. How do these people get in to our Country?? When asked purpose of visit is the reply to squat in some ones home, claim benefits and generally be a pain and have no repect for the law of the land?? All assistance to these people should be removed NOW. How about we all go to their Country and pick a home, any home and invade it!! And the Goverment should get tough NOW.
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ?
I used to feel some pride in being British, now i feel sickened and saddened by the way our so called " justice" system treats every working, taxpaying and law abiding citizen in this country....They treat us with no consideration and with contempt...Why is is so difficult to enforce a law and giving the police the power to remove squatters immediately?? Is it because fat lawyers are getting fatter off the back of it?..We have enough of our own born and bred, homewgrown benefit scroungers in this country, we dont need or want anymore....I am afraid any sympathy i may have once had for people coming from these countries has ebbed away...I have had enough of having the urine extracted...
WHY is someone occupying a property that does not belong to them considered a CIVIL matter? If they had broken into a furnished house and stole everything in it, they would be arrested for burglary, but because they have broken in and refuse to leave, essentially stealing the entire house from its legal owners, they are not in breach of the law? This is utterly ridiculous, however I really do think the police have passed the buck on this one - quite aside from the squatting, crimes HAVE been committed (breaking and entering, letting fraud) and they should be acting accordingly, not holding their hands up and claiming it's nothing to do with them. It is absolutely disgusting when criminals have more rights than law abiding, tax paying citizens, simply because they know how to exploit the loopholes in the law. Next they will be claiming they can't be moved because it will be a breach of their human rights. Drag em out, lock em up and then kick em out of the UK.
If this was my house, they could leave through the door or the window
Nu Labour, New Non Paying Occupants.
If it was my property up I would board the property up with the thieves inside. It's only a civil matter after all! and its still my property to do what I want to it. Chances are it would be trashed by these scum anyway.
I thought this ridiculous squatter stuff WAS being sorted out. GET ON WITH IT and stop pussy footing around and making us look like complete fools. SORT IT TODAY instead of having a long lunch!!!!!
- Here's My Comment, Dover, UK. , 18/1/2012 11:55-The reason the owners will be paying for the squatters' electricity bill is because no supplier will cut off the supply if people are known to be living at the property, (something to do with their rights 
Then move back in the same way with two big dogs and a couple of big lads as friends and relatives. See how they like it. If they complain tell them to pick a window to leave by. ps... the broken door. criminal damage.... they could have been done for it.
..... there should be a statutory presumption of illegal entry by squatters unles they can prove the contrary!!
If they had a 'tenancy agreement' from this mysterious 'Sharon Wright' person, then why did they have to break in through the back door? Most landlords have the keys to the properties they are letting, do they not? And last I heard, breaking and entering was still a criminal offence in this country, and therefore a police matter.
If I buy a used car and it turns out to be stolen I will lose the car. So why is it that when someone signs up to a bogus tenancy they can then stay? Utter madness
High time this was a criminal offence, especially when gangs of criminals try to take what is not theirs, wonder what would happen to them in their native country if they did the same thing?
WHEN ARE THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO MAKE SQUATTING ILLEAGAL ???????????????????????????
Illegal where I live thankfully. Squating like this is legalised theft.
They have stolen her home! It should be a criminal matter and it's time this gutless government did something to make it so.
This new law cannot come soon enough as far as I am concerned. They should have five minutes to leave the premises or be forcibly removed and then ideally deported!
Welcome to the UK 2012 - "Its ok were only Brits, feel free to walk all over us"
Call me crazy, but if you take possession of a house you don't own, that's technically not trespassing, it's theft.
I am from the USA and cannot understand "squatter's rights." Can anyone recommend an article or something I can read? For the life of me, I feel so sad when I read that these honest and hard working people have thier property taken over by squatters (I see a lot from Romania, gypsies) and they are poweless to do anything about it.
Well thank you Labour, you let these people into this country with your slack ways and now this lady is suffering because of it. A bit confused why does she still have to pay their electricity, why not just have the supply cut as they are not official tennants.
Cancel all utilities snd have water gas and electricity cut off
Why are they here? Could it be something to do with the viral message going around the world that anyone can come to Britain and immediately get a house, free health and education - all courtesy of the British taxpayer? ................ Got it in one, plus of course all the translation services you need at public expense - as again demonstrated by the Big Issue seller who has been in the UK for years but needs an interpreter, or the fact that there is no need to demonstrate your economic solvency or that you won't be a burden on the state, or that you are prepared to integrate or obey the law. Thankfully several have commented that Moldova is not is the EU, so it cannot get the blame here. These type of situation are all UK induced, and because possibly no other EU country is as accommodating to these types, or generous with taxpayers money no questions asked, then of course Britain is the magnite.
The owner needs to stop all the eletricity and heating (if any) hopefully they'll move on if it's cold enough. But if the police don't know their own law, who does?
Don't understand why England has never got rid of this law, nobody should be able to enter someone's house and stay there. David Cameron do something about this.
guys, it's a legal loophole. One of squatters passes by an unoccupied house, forces the door and walks away. The rest then can move in, because the door wasn't locked, therefore technically they didn't break in, so they can stay there. Even when the owners turn up, they have to present eviction papers which taked forever to obtain, and even after the papers are served the squatters have something like two weeks to move out. I know this is insane. I'm not sure whose interests this law is designed to protect! They should make it illegal!
It's funny how this sort of thing only happens to the 'peasants', can you imagine Buckingham palace being occupied by squatters and the police idly sitting on their hands saying it's a civil matter?---------steve yorkshire This does NOT only happen to the peasants there have been cases of large houses in desirable parts of London being occupied by squatters and published in the DM. As Buck House is always occupied by someone, squatters will not try to gain access. BTW it IS a civil matter, but it should not be.
How is the government working to address this gaping hole in the law? Oh yeah they're not because property rights in socialist Europe come second to the rights of tax paying citizens!!!! Just keep voting Labour and for more big government!!! It's amazing that the police wouldn't investigate the legitimacy of the tenancy agreement?
Camerons too busy fussing over the royal yacht to concern himself with such matters as this. If these vermin broke in then its a clear case of breaking and entering and they should be arrested, jailed and then sent back to their fourth world dump!!
When is Cameron going to do something about this? Throw them out of the house and then throw them out of the country. What benefit are they to the UK? This country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world. The police are a lazy bunch of morons if they think breaking in to someone's house isn't a criminal act. I'd love to see someone break in to Balmoral and set up home when the Queen is down South, can you imagine the police saying its a civil matter then?
How about doing the American thing and sue the government?
what a pity they dont know anyone with a couple of rottweilers - this seems to be the only way that british peoplle can have their own rights. Our rights do not matter one iota when it comes to foreign miigrants. It is time for the government to make squatting a crime.
I would never get the police involoved if this happened to me.
The joys of being part of the EU!!!
Where does that leave people who go on holiday for a couple of weeks? Can squatters move in and claim to have a tenancy agreement? The law needs a radical overhaul.
The law is a joke!...no wonder these east Europeans see our country as an easy target....if that was my house i would take the law into MY own hands and get a group of lads round to kick those lying low life scum squatters back to Moldova!...If this happened at 10 downing street am sure the POLICE would SOON get rid of them!...civil matter!...what a joke.. This sends all the wrong messages to OTHER eastern European low life parasites to come over here and do the same thing!.....what happens when these squatters are eventually forced to leave?..will they be made to reimburse the original owners for all the losses and stress etc incurred by them?....AND will they be deported for being low life lying scum that they are!...this country is a joke!....no doubt there will be a long list of do gooders trying to sort a permanent house out fro this family whilst our own born and bred citizens wait patiently...i say kick these Moldavian's not only out of this house..BUT OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!
Unfortunatley this is a civil matter legally - the police cannot prove forced entry and the property was not tenanted - the law in the uk is on the side of the squatter not the property owner, because it is judged a civil not a criminal offence though hopefully the DM could get behind a campaign to change this -PLEASE!!!. For those that say stop the utilities etc and surely it must be a criminal offence - IT IS NOT a criminal offence according to the law so the police cannot act and yes the owner can stop paying bills, but the squatters can legally approach utility companies and set up new accounts. I have experience of evicting a tenant and got sick of people coming forward with these type of suggestions when they dont know the legalities - often these types of individuals would be delighted if you behaved illegaly as they would then be able to sue you and dont you know there will be a nice legal aid lawyer paid out of your money to help them.
What a complete liberty, this is a crime in more ways than one, this country has some crazy laws, please dont pay for their electric, cut it off, thats another crime to the list, stealing electricity, leaves me speechless things like this.
How come this is a "civil matter". This house has been illegally broken into and the rightful owners robbed of not only a home, but money owed from the sale of the property. The tenancy agreement is obviously false and the women who gave it to the Moldovans should be found and prosecuted. This is not the fault of the family who have moved in, but the fault of a system which allows predators to exploit a market which is open to abuse because of the failings of the law. This is a police matter, not a civil matter, and the rightful owners of the property should not have to wait months and pay thousands to get it sorted out.
Someone elected this government....but I suppose it wasn't you, was it? This woman is up the creek with a broken paddle not because of laws that were made before most coppers were born but because everybody expects whining to change things - working for a living, Worcester, UK, 18/1/2012 12:21------------------------------------Why is this simply the responsibility of this government? We have been reading stories like this at least since the sixties. Every single govenment [whatever their political persuasion] since then has done nothing to change the legislation. But hey, do not let facts get in the way of you making a political point.
What a wussie, pushover country we have become. England must be the laughing stock of the world.
they broke through the back door, breaking and entering IS a crime! this country is absolutely rubbish. What are the new laws about protecting yourself against intruders? go in with a baseball bat I say, I'm done with trying to be PC about these low life criminals who need to get the hell out of the UK!
Im glad that I left Uk now, I can force squatters out here,and shoot if they harm me
Kick 10 bells out of them. I would not care about the consequences just do it. The law is crap on stuff like this!
Just outrageous - hope the authorities read these and take note.
Janice and Dave need to ask the Police to investigate 1. Burglary 91a, intent to steal, 2. Burglary 91b, actual stealing or attempt to steal 3. Criminal damage , 4. Intent to commit criminal damage, plus many other criminal potentials she may care to consider. The Police are duty bound to investigate any crime committed and Janice should check their legal status, their cars, tax, insurance, income tax, benefits. Anything that might get the state involved rather than dumping you or any of us suckers with the 'civil matter' legal bill nonsense. You need to show these unlawful dwellers that our government may be a push over, but you aren't.
Go and break into Mr: Cameron's house, bet you will bw thrown out in 2 secs. When are the British going to wake up, never!
I'm born in the UK, work hard and pay my taxes. I like my tax money spent on lavish benefits for foreigners like this. The government and councils believes it's perfectly good use of taxpayers money and keeps us all happy, so they must be right. A free squatting house is simply not enough for these unfortunate and less well off folk. Give them a £50 million mansion on kensington palace gardens for all I care, I'm happy to stump up the bill because I'm a stupid taxpayer like everyone else, to be treated with contempt and money washed doen the toilet bowl.
The police would soon act if it was a celebrities house. . . . . Let the squatters try Beckenham or Buckingham palaces. . . There would be so many police on the scene you would not be able to move for them. . . . . Let's have equality for all.. . . . . ................... , , KICK SQUATTERS OUT>
Having gone through a similar process not too long ago. They broke in (breaking back window) changed all locks & claimed they had a tennancy agreement, went on for about a month. Fortunately (unfortunate all the same) our 'uninvited tenants' went too far & ended up physically threatening a member of my family brandishing metal bar causing injury (thanks goodness not TOO serious - but serious enough), obviously police were called, they fled the same night as they knew they'd be arrested! havent seen them since. .....................I still find it incredibly difficult to understand why this is classed as a civil matter. If the house was broken into even if the locks have been changed, they are not the same locks/keys as the 'owner' of the property or even the legitimate estate agent managing the property, therefore they are there 'without consent' It is a criminal matter not a civil matter. Breaking in & entering & tresspassing! What the hell is wrong with the law?
Where is the strong arm of the law? If the matter is a legal matter, then what the hell lawmakers are doing, being paid with our taxes and not even preparing bills to sort these sort of absurdities swiftly. Unbelievable, the people here could have been British but here issue is the retarded squatter rights! Shame on people at government that don't do nothing to make our country safe.
how come squatting is not considered a crime? it never happens here in my country as police has the authority to arrest squatters because squatting means doing a crime.
This is a disgraceful law, and must be changed ASAP - GOVERNMENT CAN YOU HEAR US, OR ARE YOU PLAYING DEAF AGAIN??????
A direct result of our sick politicians attitude to the British people. They have engineered things so that only the real Brits,yes those same taxpayers these political vermin live off, have no rights in their own land.Every foreign criminal has more rights than you or me,and the B.B.C. aid and abet our bent politicians in their crimes against decent working people, wanting us to buy into their fantasy of a happy multi-cultural Britain.
They BROKE in - and the useless police force can't do anything? Don't want to more like. If that other piece of uselessness, Cameron, does nothing else during his term of office he should pass an anti- squatters law!
This has been going on since the sixties,. Why have sucessive governments not passed legislation to make squatting a criminal offence. Breaking in an stealing the TV is, so why not breaking in and taking possesion of the house?
If this happened to me I'd get all my friends together and smash the door down. I would refuse to move. I would fight for my property from within if the authorities wouldn't help me. I cannot see how the police can do nothing when these criminals have broken into someone else's house. They've actually stolen someone elses house!!!! Where is the justice?
There were some idiots in London a few weeks ago complaining that any change in squatters rights was in-human. Like I say. Idiots.
It's ok - once they read the story about the Romanian woman elsewhere on this site, they'll ship out and get somewhere paid for by benefits without ever having to contribute to society
It seems that the World and his wife can come here and do exactly what they want, but people keep voting for this to happen by voting for the three stooges of the EU. Lib / Lab / Con.
The police need to get off their backsides and do their jobs, otherwise what is the point of them. Disgusting.
when is the law going to be changed to stop this happening. w we have become the laughing stock of europe. w cannot deport foreign criminals who are here illegally. we cannot deport terrorists because of their Human rights.The police are unable to do anything for this couple who own the house. its disgusting I would be inclined to get some one to break in and change the locks while they are there or not. Menwhile this lady has the pay for utilities its disgusting. when is Cameron going to keep the promises he made
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! They should be removed with force and thrown on the streets! or even better out of the country!! This is what you get for living in "THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD".. But hey as long as their foreign immigrents they can do what the hell they like!!
I really feel sorry for all the owners of these houses that squatters take over. I'm soooo glad I live in America as this is not a problem here. When someone does that here they are SWIFTLY removed.
So if a "British" yob were to break into anyones unoccupied house and so long as they had a piece of paper saying it was a tenancy agreement, it would be legal? This just stinks! We must petition the government for a change to the ridiculous laws if that is the case!
Whatever happened to the charge of "Breaking and entering"? .Are the police at fault here?
Squatting my butt!! Why does the law not allow for this people to be charged with braking and entering???
What mad crazy stupid reason can possibly exist for giving squatters - or for that matter, the victims of a tenancy scam - enforcable rights over those of the legal owners of a property? They should be turfed out, pronto. Squatters can have no 'rights' at all since they are occupying a property without permission of the owner. If victims of a scam have just cause, let them take it up with the proper authorities to see about bringing the fraudsters to justice, but the owners should be left in full and peaceful possession of THEIR property. Anything else is absolutely mad and indefensible. And if it's not, then God help us all.
guys,I'm completly shocked!!! Is it really possibile?!?!?? thay shoud call an imigrate police at least,to check the moldavians documents. maybe that will help them. don't think they are legaly staying in the UK
Sorry but if they "broke" in as suggested the Police do have their normal powers. It is only a Civil matter if they get in without "forced" entry
Only solution here is burn the house down and claim insurance money. The Police will not act because they cant and the squatters will be allowed to stay in the house forever because they have human rights.
I just don't get it. They broke into the house so why do the police not get them for breaking and entering. Are they saying that breaking and sitting on the sofa watching TV is ok?? Who is paying the TV licence??
I would muster 20-30 friends and together we would re-claim our house, it would take 30 minutes tops, sod the legal route, thousands of pound and 8 months of stress. What are the squatter going to do about that. I implore the husband to 'peacefully' do the same, have a "reclaim your house BBQ!"
Then the law surely HAS to be changed, and people braking into buildings that aren't theirs, have to be removed. If someone breaks into a house while you are asleep it's called 'breaking and entering', and hopefully they are found and arrested, so what's the difference between that and entering when someone is out shopping or the house is empty because you are away? Who writes these laws?
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49*****************Too late Deb, just walk around ANY inner city at lunchtime and look at the gangs of young foreign men on what seems to be every street corner speaking a multitude of languages. Alas, children being born today have been 'sold out' on their future right to a country they recognise because of spineless and self-serving polical spivs of ALL parties. Thank god I had my youth when I did !
Why go through the hassle of breaking into someone's house and squatting, when they could just get a 2 million home through our benefit system? #sarcasm.
It does rather beg the question; If squatters broke into any Crown property, i.e. any of the many houses owned by the Royal Family which are dotted up and down the UK, would the Police, if called to the scene, inform her Majesty that their hands were tied, there was nothing they can do? I think not...........
If they broke in, surely it's burglary, which when I last checked was a criminal offence....
I would suggest that the owners smash all of the windows and switch off any utilities they can.
Contact all the utilities, cancel the direct debits, cutting of the electricity, water, gas etc. See how long they stay then. The squatters can only take a landlord to court for cutting off utilities, since they don't have a tenancy agreement with the owners - just a fake name who strangely can't be contacted, the squatters wouldn't even make it to court. Try it, it works!
And yet so quick to move 8 squatters from parliament square..
When the unwanted "things" are gone ....be sure to disenfect the place.
I'd drag them out one by one if I had to, there is no way on earth I would be paying for their electricity, call the elec company, tell them the house is going to be empty for a year, get them cut off, or go and turn the water off from the street outside, see how they like your home then! Disgusting
A a foreigner, I have to say I'm utterly confused by the British legal system when it comes to these cases. I know the UK is different in many ways, e.g. that it has a common law system, while ours is based on civil law. And I accept the differences, since they both work in their own ways. But why is the British system so messed up when it comes to these squatter cases? I have read about so many in British news papers, and I can't understand why the legal system in the UK fails to protect home owners? (Needless to point out that over here the police swiftly, but non-violently, deals with cases like these.)
Rediculous, this should clearly be a criminal offence and the police should be able to go straight int and remove them by force. Everyone commenting should go onto the Government -petition website and sign the petitions already setup (search for "squatting").
I think the whole country should get behind this case ,television ,all the papers ,Downing Street .Enough is enough ,stop it right now ,it will open up floodgates for more and more of these people to do the same thing.Lets all go on a march and stomp it out ourselves if the goverment are not dealing with it.Rise up Great British people.
We need to get an e-petition going to make squatting illegal. This can happen to anyone so we all need to fight to this
Isn't it about time, in this country, that squatters are prosecuted and evicted? This is after all, trespass, even theft, of someone elses property. Some of the laws in this country are absolutely unbelievable and are definitely on the side of the "criminals" and not the victims for who, after all, they were supposed to be made.
Oh my god!! get these damn immigrants out of the country!! how can this be allowed to happen? Squatters rights? Squatters should have no rights! again another prime example of how UK Laws are there to suit everyone else but the british themselves! gosh! I feel for the owner! poor people!
There a a few crimes here that the police could anhd SHOULD address. First there is breaking and entering, then fraud (faking the tenancy agrrement, and possibly theft (after all they6 have deprived the owner of her property), and possibly fraud on behalf of the person who tipped these people that the house was empty.
"The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know? - robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53" ++++++++++++++++++ Contact the DM diirectly, offer your sympathy, find out how to contact the squatters and offer them your home instead. Problem solved hey?
I'm a bit puzzled. The article says that these people "broke in" through the back door. If a property is not secured and squatters effectively walk in then they can claim squatters rights. I thought breaking into a property was a criminal offence not a civil one? That said, I don't know why the Masons are bothering with the law with these people. Perhaps they should invite a few friends round in order to persuade these freeloaders that remaining in the property wasn't in their best interests.
I honestly can`t say what I want to about this or I`d probably run the risk of being arrested. Of course lawyers have advised they face a lengthy and expensive legal process, those vultures are the only ones to profit out of this shambolic situation. I know what I`d be doing if I were in Mr and Mrs Mason`s situation, and it wouldn`t be a legal process, that is for sure!
If the house was unfurnished, the council tax cost for the owner would have dropped down. Now it's furnished, she will probably have to pay more council tax. This is a total farce! When the Queen isn't in Sandringham, or Balmoral, would squatters get away with moving into her property too? Probably not, because the Queen has staff in her empty properties. Even if the Queen's houses were totally empty, squatters would not be allowed to stay there for sure. So maybe a business "anti-squatter protectors" could be set up; the owner could pay a person to guard their property; it would be cheaper than what it will cost to pay the squatters bills, and the squatter court removal. It is toally disgusting that these people are allowed to get away with this. Breaking and entering is basically what they are doing.
How can this be a civil matter if the squatters broke in? Breaking and entry is a criminal offence, GET THEM OUT NOW.
That it is not a criminal matter is the joke of the year.If they cannot prove that the owner leased the property then they are in pssession of a fraudulent lease or fraudulent conversion. Plus breaking & entering - surely all those aspects are criminal. Said it before - an elderly couple leaving their home locked up to go and vote together in an election could return to find these circumstances. Of course it is not criminal !!!Ha !
Squatters rights would not exist If that was my house, I'd break in and and these scum would wish they'd never set foot in my house by the time I'd finished. If the law doesn't protect you, then you have to protect yourself!!!
Any lawyers out there willing to take on this case? This is an utter disgrace. We are all vulnerable even if we are out at work or on holiday. This is not a civil matter - breaking and entering, changing the locks, bogus tenancy agreement. If nothing is done the Masons should break in and live there too with lots of friends for support.
@ David Thompson Driffield. You're absolutely right David. If this ever happened to me or any of my family we would'nt bother with the useless police but they wouldnt be in there very long. The message they have given is that the only way to deal with it 
@ Helen, Kent, 18/1/2012 11:51## I am very grateful for your correction indeed! I was so utterly convinced few would have been able to tell me otherwise before you rightly brought this to my attention making me reflect on the error of my ways! Am still tr
It's funny how this sort of thing only happens to the 'peasants', can you imagine Buckingham palace being occupied by squatters and the police idly sitting on their hands saying it's a civil matter? Breaking and entering is a criminal offence, if it was myself in the situation I would break back in and kick them out. The law either applies to all or to none, the police cannot apply it only when they can be bothered or against the easy targets just to save a bit of paperwork. I could live with the morality of breaking the law in this scenario because the law is wrong!
Squatters Rights? What a load of *censored word here*
I am a normal, not violent man, but I am not able to write what is going through my head when I read stories like this. I think the British government is breaking the law, in that it is inciting people to violence to protect their property because the government has made laws that leave property owners helpless.
Once again our cowardly police let its citizens down. How on Earth is this a civil matter? They BROKE IN to the property - criminal damage. They are inside someone else's property - trespass. This rotten country of ours, with its craven cowardly police and justice system, makes me sick.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u. - EMM, Romania, 18/1/2012 11:02>>>>>>These people normally lie about their country of origin. This is very common now in the UK and most illegal squatters are from Eastern Europe. Compliments of the damned EU! I wonder what your reaction would be if the British people tried this in your home countries? Unfortunately the opinions of the indigenous people of this country count for absolutely nothing anymore.
Get a grip PM - sort this nonsense out. It makes our country look ridiculous to the world.
I always thought squatters could be prosecuted if they broke into properties. I believe they only have so called "squatters rights" if they have gained access to the property without breaking an entry. Isn't it time we started looking after our own here? It beggars belief that we are welcoming immigrants and asylum seekers, offering them all the help we can, when we can't even do this for our own citizens.
When did Moldova join the EU? Why are they here? Could it be something to do with the viral message going around the world that anyone can come to Britain and immediately get a house, free health and education for their families and thousands a month in spending money - all courtesy of the British taxpayer? Seriously Cameron, Iain Duncan Smith and anyone else responsible for the present chaos in the UK, the issue of millions coming here and becoming a drain on our diminishing resources just has to stop!!!!
They broke into the house so it is burglary and a criminal offence and the police know it, theyare too soft and frightened to turf out these immigrants no matter where they have come from, the police always take the easy way out, it would have taken 15 minutes to clear the house and the owner to get it back, these people should not be allowed into the country if they have no accommodation to go to, and if they have must remain in that accommodation for at least a year.
They look to have pinched what looks like a Sainsbury trolley.
If anyone takes my property it is theft and is a police matter If anyone breaks into my property for whatever reason it is breaking and entering and is a police matter. These people have broken in and in effect pretended to claim this woman's property for their use. They have committed a crime. and the police who we pay to combat crime should remove them and charge them. Any law which says otherwise should be removed from the statute book.
It could be worse and she could be homeless like so many others but she is not homeless and already has a house. So whats the big rush to get the house sold and get more money.She is just greedy. Some people have no house and are starving.She is lucky that she will have the house returned to her soon and will be £250,000 better off.She is just a greedy person.Tell her to live in a cardboard box for a fortnight and beg and eat scraps from bins and then it will actually make her feel better knowing how lucky she is.
They must inform who ever suppies their energy ans the telephone. Not withstanding any other aspects ANYONE using someone elses energy etc is guilty of ttheft - Getting the Police to act in pc correct uk may be difficult if not impossible. The UK must be proud only place in the World where this can happen. The Scots have pulled this particular plug. Come on Dave call me Cammers there are votes in this!! 1. A member of the gang comes along and breaks a door/ window lock and leaves immediately. 2. Somewhat later the people arrive and move into the house This can happen to absolutely anyone Don't go on holiday or out shopping as there is no guarrantee you will have a home to come back to. Now anyone like to join me in moving into one of Smiler Blairs residences or howz about Mandy
I don't understand your laws. Is there a real squatter's law or is it just tradition? In any other country in the world breaking in a back door would be called break and enter and these people would be arrested, not given a new home! Why are politicians so reluctant to change it so that this doesn't happen anymore? It's insanity.
I have a nice house but there is a nice big one up the road .If i move in there on the quiet would i be treated the same as these sewer rats,hell no.This country needs a seriously good shake up.
Thought breaking and entering was a crime or does it just apply to the English????
This is disgusting, these thieves see England as a laughing stock, free housing benefits for all their scrounging family. Why do English people in their own country put up with being treated so unfairly? It is about time England became great once more, but back to reality with the soft touch muppets we have in power we have no hope. They seem to care more for other countries than there own. What on earth is the country going to be like for our children if nothing is done.
- robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53 There's also a country called Moldova, from which these doubtless penniless and destitute people managed to find the resources to travel over here. Even under the travesty that passes as European and British law thi
You see what I like about Thailand, it is not the stupid place the UK has become. In such a case happening in Thailand it could never ever get to court, all the owner would have to do is call the police and they would be out on their necks. Any trouble and guns will be drawn.
Good lord. I never knew this was a civil matter - you mean anyone can move into an empty property and the police cant do a thing about it?? Why do we have a police can someone tell me?? They cant lay a finger on yobs, they cant arrest burglers, they cant protect victims, they cant throw out squatters... what CAN they do?? Stop shackling the police!
When we were buying our house in London it was going to be empty for a couple of weeks before we moved in. I took down the for sale / sold sign and requested that the agency did not market it as being sold. I also requested that they leave the curtains closed in the property and we left the odd light on so that it looked like people were living there. I suggest that anyone who has an empty property does the same.
Police Service, Keystone cops more like, Why didn't the police arrest them for trespassing that's still a law in this country (i think)!, Mind you these immigrants/ethnics are now above the law and this is another excample of the term "Great Britain" it is for some.
I've heard of similar fraud case in Eastern Europe, I guess the idea for such illegal breaking in hails from there. In that story there really was a real person behind the agreement who knew the owner and decided to profit in such a way. So the 'landlord' could be a real person who saw that the house was unoccupied and profited from it. But if the owner has the papers to prove her rightful ownership of the place and since she did not sign the contract, what is the problem? If nothing else helps, mug'em and get'em out of there!
Cameron stated that the government and ministers were going to address the problem some MONTHS ago and to date have DONE NOTHING. This IS an ONGOING PROBLEM of squatters occupying properties and the householders having to pay thousands of £'s to remove squatters whilst the police wash their hands of the problem stating "This is a civil matter" when squatters wreck the property (CRIMINAL DAMAGE), steal and sell contents (THEFT), produce false documents with regard to tenancy (FRAUD), squatters are from eastern and other countries (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) but the police ignore these ciminal acts. What is the local MP doing? What action have the government and ministers taken? The action of Government, MP's, and Police is a matter of shame hiding behind an old useless law and putting the onus on the owners of properties occupied by squatters. THIS MUST BE RECTIFIED NOW!!!!!!!!
When are the government going to change the law so that this becomes a police matter and no longer a civil matter. 40yrs ago when I was a young man this wouldn't have been allowed to happen, as soon as the squatters moved in a greater force would have put them back on the streets no mucking about, the police and border control could also take an active part by going into the property and checking for criminal activiteies and for illegal entry, once that happens the owner can slip back in and then it becomes a police matter.
Update on my origional question about Moldova so excuse my ignorance. Mr. Google informs me its part of Russia on the Georgia side, so there's obviously political unrest there. This family could have entered the country and asked used the benefits system legally, entering as political asylum seekers, then they wouldn't have to squat because the government would've GIVEN them a 5-bedroom house!
For all those that can google, well done. But there is no such crime as "breaking and entering"!!!! As several people have pointed out to be burglary, you have to enter in order to steal, inflict damage or cause grievous bodily harm. Stop blaming the police and take responsibility for things you don't like. Someone elected this government....but I suppose it wasn't you, was it? This woman is up the creek with a broken paddle not because of laws that were made before most coppers were born but because everybody expects whining to change things
Absolutely disgraceful. It is always the law abiding person who comes off worse.
Just the remedy,get a few people to break into MPs houses and our useless MPs might do something about it. Perhaps Cameron and some of his gutless front benchers spend a bit less time on trying to get a new floating palace for the Queen which we all know is a priority for the pensioners and low paid who can't afford to heat their homes properly. We have heard it all before,it won't cost the taxpayer any money ??????? ha ha DEREK
So anyone with a bit of paper in their hand that looks like a tenancy agreement has the protection of the law! How ridiculous is that?!!! The law has to be changed in favour of the owner!
Lodge a complaint with the police independant complaints commission. Squatters entering a house by force is BREAKING AND ENTERING WHICH IS A CRIME! The police can do something they're just making excuses.
Utterly disgusted by this article and by the laws of this country. Firstly ethnicity makes no difference so why people like EMM, Romania, are commenting on that is beyond me - the fact is, people have commited a crime by breaking and entering and showing a fake tennancy agreement... if i were to break into my neigbours house, you can be sure i would be arrested. The laws about squatting need changing NOW .. it brings misery to good honest people like the Masons who now may have to find £0000's pounds to get them out. Will it cost the squatters anything, I doubt it very much .... this wonderful country of ours has gone to the dogs .. I am ashamed to read about the amount of people who comlained about last nights Corrie when real stuff like this goes on in the world ... GET YOUR PRIORITES RIGHT!!
Britain we need to take action and CLOSE OUR BORDERS!
No. This isn't a 'Civil Matter'. If they are intending to 'permanently deprive' those paying the electricity and gas bills by not paying them then, that is simply theft. If they are using water (ditto flushing toilets) without the permission of the purchaser (the bill payer) then again, they are attempting to permanently deprive. It is theft. The Police do have powers to act, they are just avoiding doing their duty. The Officer in Charge is open to be taken to Court. What is amazing to me is the sheer reluctance of Parliament to strengthen the law in these matters. Can someone explain why politicians drag their heels because these matters are really not complex. What other forces are at work? Is it that Local Councils might be caught out in some of their Law-Twisting manoeuvrings? Or, is it that under it all, they really support squatters. I've never seen any MP or Minister 'Paxman questioned' on this point. Fact is, they certainly don't represent the public view on this
Come on Mr Cameron lets leave the EU so the Europeans cannot not come and live here let alone enter the UK!
Look if they broke a lock to get in then that is breaking and entry which is not a civil matter. Squatting can only take place if the property is left open and unused for a long period of time or you already have access via a key. Get the police to do their job properly and stop this incorrect interpretation of the law which has been going on for years. Get a proper lawyer to check it out for everybody's sake.
Excuse my ignorance but where exactly do Moldovans come from, and is their country at war? because I always thought only those claiming political asylum can be allowed in?
One wonders how long they'd be allowed to stay if they had invaded one of Tony Blair', Mandelson / Prescott Harman, any member of the judiciary's homes. Would it still be a "civil" matter then?
Have the police not heard of breaking and entering?
Surely they can be arrested for trespassing?? Or does that only happen in an ideal world??
Why has it taken so long for our government to produce a law that makes the unlawful occupation of anothers property a criminal offence that the police can act upon?
All the promises of Mr Cameron to change the law are just rubbish. I blame the prime minister of this country for this and similar crimes which "the police can't do nothing about it"
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/----------------------------------------------------------------------- This ridiculous situation was caused by Labour and this present government is about to rectify it. Of course it had to get approved through the left-wing biased House of Lords so it took time
If there is a tenancy agreement that the owner did not produce, then there is a crimianl act going on. There is fraud, and the police should be investigating. The squatter's produce a receipt for the £2,000 they supposedly paid? How about the owner going in and taking the television. Unless the squatters can prove they bought it, she should take any valuables they have as a security deposit. Hire the baliffs to go in and seize any valuables. Need to recover the cost of replacing the locks that they changed. They need to get the sqatter rights removed as soon as possible.
I have never really understood why the police cannot do anything to get the squatters out. In my head its quite simple, the Masons can obviously show that they own the house, the squatters cannot so that should be the end of it, squatters out. Another thing I dont understand is that the squatters broke into the house, isnt there a law against breaking and entering? There is a gorgeous house near to me, so in theory all I have to do is wait for the owners to go to work and break in then the police cannot do anything to get me out? Messed up. If that was my house I would cut off everything, gas, electricity, water, tv licience etc and lets see how long these scumbags want to stay in a dark, cold house. If the squatters can break in, then so can the owner, get the owner to smash the back window the call the police saying they went shopping/to work and when they came back they found the window broken and people robbing the house. In Scotland squatters have no rights, bravo Scotland.
This government must make squatting a criminal offence and very soon. How would Cameron or any other member of the cabinet like the great unwashed to break into and squat in one of their homes? It is a disgrace to consider it a civil matter and tie the hands of the police. Surely, breaking and entering is a criminal matter? The owner of the property must get all the utilities shut off immediately or get any male friends or family members to help them break into the house and use reasonable force to get rid of the low life occupying the property.
The law is pathetic. When you have no rights anymore in your own country, you know it's time to leave !
This is absolutely shameful. A change in the law is needed to protect the rights of property owners.
The law should be changed and everyone in the house illegally should be charged by the police and given a criminal record. Then they should be deported as we do not want foreign criminals in our country. We can then kill two birds with one stone. They should then be banned from Britain for ever. If the EU objects then we just transfer them to Brussels.
If they house was broken into why isn't the law cut and dry that they should just be booted out and sod any human rights "do gooders".
OK, so now you`re gonna HATE(!) all moldovans....brilliant !
I would describe myself as a bleeding heart liberal but this really angers me. I'd cut off all the services, and go and take the doors off the house, get all the people I could gather and get in there and start chucking their stuff out of windows. Trouble is people who would steal your house probably wouldn't think twice about stabbing you either, or setting fire to the place out of spite.
Ever since squatters have been stealing peoples homes whilst they are out I havenÂ’t had a single holiday. Remember where one chap who allegedly went out to get a paper and came home to find his locks changed and squatters taken over his home. If the police refuse to act then they (the police) are co-conspirators in allowing >Breaking in and Entering< take place and not acting.
I had a flat that was illegally occupied by a previous tenant's son. I called the police who said that they were powerless, but I was within my rights to gain entry, as there was no agreement for occupancy, and remove all the possessions of the squatter to a public area, as long as those items were overseen. Immediately on seeing the toe-rag leave the property I instructed a locksmith to open the door. I took detailed photographs and swiftly removed all the items, including building materials!, into a public area. There were a number of expensive cameras and rolls of film, scanners etc. These I took to the local police station. The locks were changed and a typed notice of re-occupation posted firmly on the door. The "squatter" protested to the police who dismissed him. The police later contacted me for copies of my photographs of the interior of the flat with the "squatters" possessions in place, as they were matching scenes of child pornography in their possesion.
They broke in through the back Door, so if they had a Tenancy Agreement, why did they not have keys? Unfortunately as the Law stands, if nobody saw the person breaking in through the back door, then the Police would not take any action. The fact that they broke in through the back door tells you it is not a legitimate Lease but now the owners have to take Civil Action to remove them at their cost to the benefit of the Legal Profession who are coining in thousands due to this stupid law of Squatters Rights.
E mail Dami8en Green MP he is supposed to be in charge of immigration, ask him what these people are doing in this country
Police can't do anything because its a civil matter? What aload of old Moldovian Bull ! These low lifes broke into a property they did not own, now I was always led to believe that was a criminal offence.Just another example of the useless British Legal system, controlled by the useless British Police Force. Is it not about time some of our elected, corrupt, politicians got those old gits in the House of Lords to do something about giving the Police and Judges the power to punish LAW BREAKERS with what they deserve?
This is not a civil matter, it is a criminal matter-they broke in, they were not invited in, so are guilty of burglary. Any trespass should be made a criminal offence. This must be done very soon, as we are fast approaching the time when countries like Moldovia and Romania will achieve normative, unsrestricted EU status and thousands from these poor, ex Soviet bloc countries will pour into mugsville formerly known as UK, with its soft laws, non existent policing and bottomless benefit handouts. Not only should it be made a criminal offence, but the squatters should have to pay all the council utilities whilst they are there and pay the costs incurred for having them removed. Please also don't think it is just London and other big cities targeted by these parasites-it is a problem in our area. We dare not go on holiday together without getting a house sitter, as people patrol the streets scoping out potential properties.
It would seem that the police are wrong in this case. Breaking and entering is most certainly a criminal matter, squatting may be a civil matter but you have to get in through an unlocked door/window. If anyone can just break in whenever they want then burglary would be fairly legal.
This makes my blood boil! There is a pressure in the UK building up by law abiding, tax paying UK inhabitants. This shall surely result in increased anger and possibly action against free loading immigrants, especially from Eastern Europe. Why cant the government see this? or are they powerless to act against the self serving offices of the European Union and Human Rights. I also am starting to loathe the actions of the previous labour government and the inactivity of this government to sort out this disgraceful treatment of our own people.
As for those people saying leaving houses empty they deserve it. Sometimes houses are empty because of a death in the family, probate etc. takes time. It should not give somebody a right to break in and squat.
When are those in Westminster going to get off their backsides and do something about this?. It would not be hard to make a law to deal with it and get them out pronto, but of course the EU could overrule this, as EU law is considered superior to UK law and we must comply with it. What a crazy country we live in when the man in the street has more common sense than those ruling over us.
Sick of reading these stories. The Old Bill are useless....send the Army out to retake the Streets and uphold the law
Allegedly anyone can move into any property and stay there without paying anything until bailiffs force them out. And they can KEEP doing this to other unsuspecting trusting landlords contract after contract. My situation is different as I'm a landlord who was forced to let my property due to work commitments, but I feel strongly these situations are getting out of hand. I have written to my MP and hoping to make a difference to others who have experienced the life changing hardship that comes with the most ridiculous legislations. Things need to change!
This is a joke! The Land Registry Act 2003 (don't know if this has been updated recently) states that squatters are permitted to enter an uninhabited property and then apply for ownership after 7 years under certain conditions - the main one being that they did not break into the property. Surely this is therefore a criminal matter. The police are soft and the 'justice' system is in this country is a joke. People like this work hard and pay their taxes then the government does nothing for them. If the property owners then decided they would break the back door in and get a load of their friends to enter the property the police would no doubt arrest them for breaking and entering or breach of the peace.
If an MP had this problem the law would be changed double quick but because they only seem to do this to so called emply houses it will take a long time. Perhaps they should be pointed to wards an MP emply house.
These people may have a tenancy agreement but where is the link back to the owners of the property? Clearly this agreement is null and void. Throw them out now and send them back to Moldva!
forget the police, kick the door down and throw them out like rubbish, change the locks quickly and get on with your life, these people know the law and gets away with it, all they do is sit it out and then move on. This problem is on the raise and the government and legal system is doing nothing to protect the home owner.
Most importantly which local (con man) is profiteering out of this? The foreigners would not know how the Tenancy Agreement works if they just moved to the UK.
First of all I would stop paying the bills. Let them be cut off. Secondly could I ask all people who own their own homes to go on the epetition websit and sign up to the petition to make squatting illegal. They have broken into someone's house. In my book that is a crime.
Try another approach. Contact the borders agency, to check whether or not they are illegal immigrants.
These scum think they have nothing to lose by squatting as they have brought zero values or morals into this country. If they broke in it proves they know exactly what they are doing. I wish them nothing but misery.
Couldn't the lady who owns the house have the electricity cut off for starters?..... then again she'd probably be accused of breaking some law or other. I always thought that if someone actually broke into a property it was a criminal offense. Surely having a false tenancy agreement is fraud?
Got a real bee in my bonnett over this one. Board the place up with metal shutters. Get the neighbours involved to call the police if there is any attempt by them to break in. If they are out when you do it, all well and good. If they are in, well thats just too bad.
Absolutely digusting by these Moldovan squatters They just walk into UK all too easy as usual and set about sponging straightaway for benefits for their big family without any problems whatsoever helped by this stupid Govt of ours,then just take over someones house What the hell are the powers that be playing at?the bloody idiots.
why's she paying the electricity? get it turned off along with the water, gas etc
I've been in the UK for some years. I'm not British, neither born in a 'desirable land'. But every day I did my best, because I've been in the UK for it's culture, for it's people. It was not a matter of leech others wealth, I did not wanted money in my pockets at the cost of the work of generations of British man. It's over now, mainly because people in the UK can't stand this situation anymore. And I agree. Even though it costed my former life. This kind of immigrant is just undesirable.
Our law is rubbish. So now we can't even go on holidays without worry. The law is blind, can't they even tell if the contract is or not made-up contract from Sharon Wright. Cut off the electric Mrs Masons. Go to sky news, the law should be change pronto. Please please please change our law on squatters ASAP.
WHY IS THIS NOT A CRIME!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS, THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND DEPORTED.
Vote UKIP and get our borders closed...these people are laughing at UK....aided and abetted by CON/LIB/LAB
It doesn't sound like a squatting case to me, it sounds like a lettings scam. Happens all the time, people who let out property that isn't theirs and then disappear off the face of the earth. The couple are clearly not that bright either if they're still paying the electricity.
The Police have shown complete incompetence here. Fraud, Theft and Entering a Lock-fast Premises will do for a start. Someone has handed out a Legal Document in the form of a Tenancy Agreement for a house they do not own. The Police should have followed that up immediately. Perhaps it was the fact the squatters were not British and potential Racism Claims that frightened them.
It would not surprise me if the Local Authority is paying Housing Benefit on submission of the fake Tenancy Agreement .......
Our Queen, their country
Absolutely disgraceful......these people shouldn't even be in the country let alone be able to break into a home that doesn't belong to them with no consequence. This country really needs to look at how they treat the people that put in a good days work and ask for nothing as it seems that these are the people that come off worse on every level.
Surely if they broke in then its a matter for the police? The law in the UK has never been on the side of the owner in these type of cases and should be changed immediately to stop this happening to others.
Squatters rights hangs on the fact that if no damage has been done when forcing entry the police are pretty much powerless. All you have to do is smash a window and tell the police they have forced entry and they will have to then treat it as a trespass / burglary and arrest the occupants.
This just doesn't make any sense! Surely breaking into a house is breaking and entering which is a criminal offense?! The so-called tenancy agreement is obviously fraudulent too which is also a criminal offense!? I can't believe this is happening in a supposedly developed country like the UK!!!!
I would get the services cut off.NO gas,electric, water, then wait until they were out and get a locksmith in.Job done! - - Tez, Bedford, Your not allowed to do that !!!Sadly. What you have to do is get friends or whatever to help. You stand on the doors (front and Back) U cant throw them out but when they go to shops you can stop them entering again. This is how we got rid of gypsy's off the rugby pitch by me. Otherwise its a lengthy eviction process. sadly squatters have rights.
What's the world coming too? If your an honest person you have no rights.
Its not burglary. Its not breaking and entering. Its not criminal damage. Its a civil matter. Isnt it just great how hard working honest English people are proteceted by law in their own country? If they react they are immediately criminalised. When these scum are eventually thrown out a whole group of do gooders will be on hand to give them a house and benefits and ensure they have everything they need.
hahahahaha MONTY PYTHON is really running this country!!!! He is alive and well. This is just so utterly ridiculous.
Lunacy of this kind simply encourages normally law-abiding citizens to take matters into their own hands.
Squatter's Rights, is an ancient law, it allows people to enter an obviously unoccupied and unsecured properties. It does not allow a person to break in or force entry. So for the Police to say that these cases are civil matters is utter rubbish. In this case entry has been forced and the locks changed, presumably the original lock's have been disposed of, so theft of locks, theft an arrestable offence. Using the electricity, paid for by the house owner, abstracting electricity, arrestable offence.And I am sure more offences could have been identified. I am a retired officer, and served through the 70's. 80's and the 90's. and believe me, these people would not have remained in that house, in those times. This law has got to be repealed, as Cameron said it would be at the beginning of last year, the public need protecting, and very quickly.
"it's a civil matter" say the police *huge sigh* yes that's what they always say isn't it in these cases and frankly it doesn't make sense to me. did these people gain access legally? did they have a key? were they let in through the front door by someone with authority to allow them access to the property? if the answer to all these questions is "NO" then they must have gained access by breaking and entering which i believe is still a criminal offence in the uk and the police should arrest them!
This is "breaking and entering"; the last time I heard, it was a crime. So Plods, get off your useless backsides and serve the community that pays your wages.
they work for free and it is nice, but then they need to live somewhere, and that is wrong
So, breaking and entering into a persons house is now a civil matter and nothing to do with the police... You are also allowed to use reasonable force to protect you property... I would carrying out reasonable force to the letter!!!
Theirs a nice big 6 bedroom house down road from me, which is empty, think I'll snap up next week! lovely..this is so wrong! So if they took something and left they be breaking the law, but if they stay there not? Crazy!
It is important to know on whose side the police really operate and who pulls their strings..
'Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force.' If they ever do, just don't hold your breath, Clarke's proposals are meaningless, politicians promises are just another word for lies.
Of course, we all know the squatters committed a range of offences. But the law in this country is still in support of them, not the owners. Still, if the owners want to move in, or allow others to move in, then there is nothing more illegal about this than there was about the squatters who occupy the property now. As long as they don't attempt to evict the squatters, they can't be doing anything wrong. Of course, if the squatters don't actually like their children being kept awake all night by someone practising their drum kit, or if they don't enjoy the all night parties, or the British TV programmes they won't understand, or anything else which the owners agents do at the address, then they can always choose to pack up and move on. No pressure mind!
Sorry to post 3 times but getting rid of squatters just isn't as simple as getting a locksmith or stopping utilities - the law is on the side of the squatter unfortunatley. I say this from bitter expereince of a tenant we had to evict and I dont know how many times people came up with similiar 'straight forward' suggestions that we just couldn't take because of legal reasons and these squatters are often right on to legal aid or whoever doing their victim act and would love nothing more than for you to act illegally then sue you. If it was so simple these people would have sorted the problem - the issue is the law needs to be changed to support the legal owner not the squatter until this happens the victims are powerless.
What I fail to understand is the use of the word "squatter" in this case. Firstly these so-called squatters were brandishing a bogus tenancy agreement. If they are tenants, then they are obviously not squatting and should not be treated as such. This is obviously a case of attemped fraud and consequently should be a police matter. If I buy a stolen car, it will be confiscated by the police. I would argue that stealing a house is a much more serious offence. Secondly under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, I believe it is an offence for anyone - including squatters - to damage property that is not theirs, either for the purposes of gaining entry or once in occupation. In a number of similar cases locally victims have had their personal possessions ruined or simply thrown out. To argue that this is a "civil matter" is simply shirking their duty. Our police force really does need to get its act together.
Anyone who broke into my home and used my electricity and gas would be evicted within 5 minutes of me knowing they were there I can assure you. And then I would wait for my arrest. Why is Britain so wrong about so many things?
This is only a civil matter in England/Wales. In the rest of the UK it is a criminal offence. Why England keeps its out dated property law is beyond anyone with an IQ greater than 10.
you cant squat in scotland the police would toss them out and they would be fined for breaking and entering thank god we are on the way to independance to escape from this uk hell hole, you are scared to go to work in england in case your house is gone before you get home, what and awful utter deplorable state of affairs and the uk brag yes have the gall the nerve the audacity to tell the scots they are making a mistake without them we wont be as strong what a laugh heaven forbid if thats the english protecting thier own citizens then i want to get as far away from you lot as i can,the unemployment the poverty the depravation in england is shameful yet they still let them all flock in and live of other peoples labour and taxes, i am just so depressed by all this.
If they are still responsible for the bills why dont they stop paying all of them and then the responsibility lies on the thieving gits who should not be in this country. Better still the police sholud get them all out for questioning then the owners can change the locks and get back in...end of! - Happy and contented Cornish Pisky, Penzance Cornwall, 18/1/2012 11:08 You wouldn't believe this but its true these people can just set up bills in new names and the utilities companies dont care - know this from experience with a tenant we had to evict who had utilities under several different names and with several different companies.
I wonder if the police would take the same approach if you decided to squat in 10 Downing Street?
why hasn't this government pushed emergency laws thru against squatting? it needs to be sorted now
Tell the Police that there are firearms stored in the house , that will get their attention.
Hang on a minute. So if I'm sitting in my lounge, and a burglar breaks through my back door, then I would have no rights but to allow him to stay?! This is the same things and it is ludicrous. And scary. Just hideous. How is this a civil matter?!
How can it be that someone can forcibly gain entrance to your property and it is a civil matter , surely this is breaking and entering which is a criminal offence ?
Nothing will happen. Civil and public servants are terrified of having a race charge made against them as it is a career buster and anyone with this on their CV are virtually damned. Consequently they bend over backwards to make sure this never happens and the majority get the rough end of the stick. I have every sympathy with the house owner who cannot get justice from her own government and local authority which no doubt extracts money from her for rates and taxes. This case highlights the madness of the current system and it is time it was changed for domestic properties. No one should ever have to go through this charade to evict people who break into their empty house and claim squatters rights.
Shocking - if I steal a 50p tin of beans from Tesco the arm of the law comes down on me - if I steal someone's £250k home from them by squatting I am untouchable - I also thought squatting was now going to come under criminal rather than civil law and that an act was going through -
Arrest all of them on suspicion of theft of a supermarket trolley, see photo. During the arrest make sure the back door is unlocked, inform the true owners of the situation. Problem solved.............
Simple, turn the unpleasantness on the squatters. It's still her property, so go around and smash the windows, block the gutters, make it absolute hell for them.
Surely the "squatters" are using the water supply (verifable by looking at the outdoor meter). Since this has benn paid for by the owners, the squatters are steailing, so the police can take action. They could also take action and check on their right of residence. The could also treat the squatters as having broken in and let the courts decide. Any of these actions would have allowed the real owners to retake possession.
I thought breaking and entering was a crime??? Several years ago, the flat next to ours was broken into by squatters. The council then got the police to evict them. I presume its a case of double standards, as the house is private.
So anyone of us can go shopping and if we come back and find another family living there, we just have to roll over, pay the utilities and what - disappear? Madness !
We have so many laws in this country to do with land ownership, practically every square inch of land is documented and owned by someone and if you want access to it you need permission from the owner. But apparently people who more than likely shouldn't be in this country can break in to a house (I doubt the owners left the doors and windows wide open) change the locks and nothing is done. Could it be that the police only want the easy stuff, a quick nick? Why get involved with a potentially complicated case like this one when you can go to the local shopping centre and nick a druggie? Anyway if these "squatters" were arrested and charged they would probably be given a suspended sentence so they could go and do the same thing somewhere else.
surely if they broke into the property that's an offence? and the police can act on that?
We all complain about the ever increasing incidents such as this. How many remember to identify the possible solutions on polling day? Why do we all revert to type and vote for the traditional parties? Time for a change.
Be aware that this Government is aiming to make squatting illegal solely to protect empty dwellings owned by the rich who are waiting for the market to improve . They and their friends in the Tory party are fearful of the homeless taking up residency through necessity instead of dying on the pavements of Britain. This is why the scare stories have been drip fed to us .
This story has made me SO ANGRY that I am beyond speech! Best log off before I say something which will no doubt get me arrested.
Unless they aren't telling the whole story here, Its NOT a civil matter. Squatters have to move out if there is an intention for the owner (or new owners) to move in. If you currently live in your home and come back to find squatters who won’t leave, this would make you a ‘displaced residential occupier’. You should call the police to report a crime. If you are planning to move into a property, but are not currently living there you may be considered a ‘protected intending occupier’. It is a crime (except in certain circumstances) for a person to trespass on a residential premises (eg: enter into someone’s home without authority) and refuse to leave once a displaced residential occupier, a protected intending occupier or someone on their behalf has required them to. If you are a protected intending occupier, you’ll need to give the squatter a sta
The eight squatters broke in through the back door of the £250,000 house in Walthamstow, East London, earlier this month----------- Your article specifically states as fact the above. If you know as fact that they broke in then why don't the police know they broke in? If they do know, then they are are a disgrace for avoiding their responsibilities. So either DM is wrong or the Police are wrong.
We are a joke! I've voted Liberal/Tory all my life but I'm going to start a campain for everyone to vote UKIP at the next byelection. Can't stand their leader or their policies, but maybe a ground swell will shake this goverment into doing something for those of us that worked all our lives, paid taxes and are now being walked over. Beam me up Scotty!
What has happened to the BREAKING AND ENTERING LAW then????? Police don`t do any work these days for us the honest uk people
There is no way I would have left that house without a fight. I would have carted them out of there myself. This county is a disgrace. I envy my boss who is moving to New Zealand. What I would give to get out of this country.
Surely breaking and entering would cover this for the police?
It's always the Metropolitan Police that seem to fail to act. If a group of people are at the house and are using a shopping trolley that, quite clearly, cannot belong to them then why don't they arrest them for theft of the trolley. Whilst in custody the owners could then get back in and secure the property. I also do not understand why they are not arrest for criminal damage to the doors by removing the existing locks or theft of those existing locks. If they forced their way in, as opposed to enter via an unlocked door they must have caused damge and should have been arrested no matter how minor the damage was. Anything now missing from inside and they could be arrested for theft. If they as much as turn a light on in the house then there is an offence of abstracting electricity. All of these are criminal offences and not civil. Perhaps someone from the Met could enlighten us?
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter????
Whilst the present squatting laws are a mess it still appears that an offence of burglary has been committed and meets the legal definition of the Theft Act: Forced entry has been obtained and theft / abstraction of the electricity is taking place. A persons willingness to pay ( eg. for the electricity ) does not alter it being theft. For example: On my way to wrok I take a newspaper from the early morning bundle left outside a shop before it is open and leave the money - still theft. I take a bottle of milk from the roundsman crate whilst he's elsewhere and leave the money which he finds on his return to the milk float - still theft. Therefore an enterprising policeman could arrest the occupants on reasonable suspicion of theft - that leaves the place empty again - and the owner secures it. Add in the general PACE power of arrest when the ID of a person can not be ascertained. Play the law at its own game. Practical policing seems to have died.
I thought breaking and entering was a criminal offence ?????
The police in this country are lazy idiots, these foreigners broke into a ladies house and they do nothing, this country really has gone to the dogs!
I am a normal, not violent man, but I am not able to write what is going through my head when I read stories like this. I think the British government is breaking the law, in that it is inciting people to violence to protect their property because the government has made laws that leave property owners helpless.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u. - EMM, Romania, 18/1/2012 11:02--------------------------------No, shame on YOU for evading the crux of the matter which is NOT their nationality, but the fact of what they have done!
If they broke in, they can be arrested. Also, the owners should terminate the electricity account as they no longer live there. They can't sue you for non provision of electricity, I would also try to get the water turned off, if you know where the tap is, go for it.
Breaking and entering is a crimal offence and the police can act, its not a case they cant, its a case they wont, i bet this scum is living the life of riely on our benifits system in couraged by social workers and a human rights lawyer
This is a desperate situation but just the tip of the unjust iceberg that is today's Britain. Might there be someone out there, someone who has made it BIG...a rock star, a successful entrepreneur, a lawyer, a journalist or maybe a member of the royal family, who can spearhead a meaningful and active campaign against this and other injustices? The right person could muster a million protesters: difficult to ignore such a demonstration of displeasure, I'd have thought. Come on! Who's going to step up to the plate?
Someone tell them where all the Blair houses are they were the ones that thought it a good idea .England get that sorted for your people or give them your own house.
Breaking and entering is a civil matter? no it's not breaking and entering is against the law! It's a COP OUT. - june, bedworth uk, 18/1/2012 10:53 The offence of 'breaking and entering', as you call it, ceased to exist after 1968! That is the trouble with armchair lawyers who think they know the law but have never read a law book in their lives.
They should be arrested for stealing a trolley!
According to the report the squatters got in by forcing the back door. SInce when has breaking and entering been a "civil matter"?
If they are still responsible for the bills why dont they stop paying all of them and then the responsibility lies on the thieving gits who should not be in this country. Better still the police sholud get them all out for questioning then the owners can change the locks and get back in...end of!
I would get the services cut off.NO gas,electric, water, then wait until they were out and get a locksmith in.Job done!
The solution is simple: the owner can break into his own house. It is not a crime to damage your own property. Once in the house he can forcibly eject all squatters using reasonable force. He is allowed to invite friends and relatives to help him. If the squatters fight back then there will be a breach of the peace and the police will have to get involved. The squatters will get arrested if they are violent and can get prosecuted for fraud for producing a fake tenancy agreement.
The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law will come into force. Bloody marvellous. The justice in this country stinks to high heaven and the useless lot we call the government will do nothing about it. This lot in power couldn't run a bath. It is time the people of the country were put before immigrants. I doubt if my comments will get posted because people in this country don't like the truth.
According to the story, the Moldovans broke into the house and subsequently occupied it. Isn't breaking and entering a criminal matter? As to their "tenancy agreement", I would presume it's utterly bogus, which I would presume, perhaps incorrectly, is a criminal matter as well. This begs the question, why weren't they all arrested for breaking and entering at the very least?
What a weak and pathetic country we live in, what other country would allow this to happen.
This is beyond a joke. What is the difference between a burglar and a squatter breaking in to a house?. This will not be stopped until it happens to one of Cameron's mates.............................
I smell a business opportunity. 'Squatters for hire'. Someone should set up a business that supplies background checked people to occupy your property around the clock in shifts, thus leaving the property continuously occupied and making it impossible for someone to break in. I have no idea of what the cost could possibly be, but it would be cheaper and quicker than risking squatters, plus it would be in the contract that there would be no damage to the property. - Jess, Australia, 18/1/2012 10:11 This service is already provided - its called housesitting.
I agree with John Selkold and'ashamed to be British' and all you others out there.
"Believed to be Moldovan". Then why do say they are Moldovan since u dont know their real ethnicity? Shame on u.
Mr Cameron , you promised action on squatting when you came to power in 2010. Where is it ? Act now before this country is overrun by scumbags.
Mrs Mason should apply for an IPO, (an Interim Possession Order) and this only should take a few days, once served on the squatters they must get out within 24 hours.
Even entering a property that you havn't been invited into is a crime in itself, its illegal to take someones car & use it to your advantage, so whats different about taking a house, same thing is it not, these foreginers are the bane of society & should be sent back to wherever they come from ASAP, the government is a complete joke in this country, theyre too busy swindling the taxpayer to even care whats going on
immigration IS good for the uk econemy apparently.This poor lady will now have to spend thousands on a solicitor even though the squaters will get legal aid paid for by the tax payer and then new furniture,,perhaps this is what Cameron means they are good for the economy. ?????????????
This is just ridiculous! The law MUST be changed to protect innocent home owners.
It is awful when things like this happen and the police are powerless to do anything. If this was me I would stop paying electricity bills etc and let the idiots fend for themselves, what are they going to do about it. I thought squatters rights could only be claimed after so many years off being in a property so surely they should be arrested for breaking and entering but I don't suppose there is enough evidence to convict them is there?
What happened to trespassing and breaking and entering as crimes? I guarantee if I broke into a police officers house he would happily find the legal requirements to remove me. Squatting rights need to be completely repealed, there's just no excuse for being allowed to stay in someone elses property, at all, there is NO case for it.
Have facebook parties at the event for hundreds of people every weekend until they go. - Me, here, 18/1/2012 10:24 ======================================================================================= Great idea!! (though I think you meant 'venue' - not 'event')
"I would drag them out myself and throw them in the gutter were they belong, no way Id be going through court and paying thousands in legal fees. - Adele, Liverpool, England">>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably most of us feel exactly the same. Unfortunately, the way the law apparently stands in this country, it would be you who'd end up in court, being tried for "racially aggravated violence" or some such portion of the Criminals' Charter.
So in principle someone could go out to do their supermarket shop, come home and find someone has broken into their home, making use of their facilities. The responsibility is then on the homeowner to find the funds to evict them and not on the law to prosecute for breaking , entering and stealing. This is wrong.
So who is this Sharon Wright ??
This is getting boring . It's not squatting , it's BURGLARY. The fact that the burglars are still there should make it easier for the police.
i bet the police would do something if it were an mp's or royals property.
Moldova is not part of the European Union. So can someone please explain to me why unskilled people with no assets are being allowed to enter the United Kingdom with their families, take over other people's homes, and probably claim welfare benefits as well? If it's that easy for anyone around the globe to enter the United Kingdom, why don't we place adverts in Moldovan and other newspapers in poorer countries around the world, inviting folk to enter the United Kingdom with their families and look forward to a better life, at the expense of indigenous home owners and UK tax payers. This also makes a complete mockery of LEGAL migration. Why bother entering the United Kingdom legally when every Tom, Dick, Harry and his entourage are already here, enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour?
Nothing will happen, because the British have a " I'm alright jack" attitude. To many do gooders, liberals, back in the day, in the Eastend, you would not dare do this! Meet fire with fire, that will sort it out!!!!
How on earth did these Moldovan citizens gain entry to the UK ? They are not members of the EU. Somehow they have managed to travel many hundreds of miles to get to the UK - ignoring the borders of other countries - to get , by hook or by crook, to England. Once on English soil they then commit criminal offences, break and enter other legitimate owners property , start looking for the"freebies" in handouts of all manner of kind. IS the Home Secretary going to order their immediate arrest, detention and then deportation, followed by an investigation into how they knew which property to enter. All centres of entry to the UK to be alerted to these alien ne'er do wells.
Breaking and entering is a civil matter? no it's not breaking and entering is against the law! It's a COP OUT.
Bung a bar of soap in the house, job done
Dave Janice, if your reading this gather all your friends and relatives and move in with them and say that your squatting, make as much of a disturbance as possible, perhaps when they complain to you say that there complaints are affecting your human rights to squat at the house, continue makeing a nusance then perhaps they will move. No laws broken,and its down to them to make a civil complaint.
Lets have the tables turned on these scumbag parasitic foreigners who come here and stick two fingers up at the rest of us with their abuses. A good start would be for us to jump on the Human Rights laws bandwagon, if it works for them it should work for us. This lady's human rights to her inheritance have been breached by theft of her property. To any Human Rights lawyers reading this, instead of lining your pockets working for foreigners against this country's interests, get a concience for once and act on behalf of people like this lady and other legitimate tax paying citizens whose rights are undermined time and again by these parasites.
I have exactly the same situation at the moment with a Polish squatter. It will take 3 - 4 months to evict and even that is not certain and will cost me in the region of £4000 to rent elsewhere and in legal costs. I can of course take up a civil suit against him for damages, but he will certainly disappear from the area leaving me with no chance of collection. He has also taken free legal advice from the local council. In summary, I have been hung out to dry by the legal system. MAKE TRESPASS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE NOW! This would allow trespasses to be dealt with immediately. When did justice mean allowing someone to live free in someone else's house without consent. It beggars belief! No more Dale Farms!
- DRH, Surrey, 18/1/2012 9:58: Sorrybut I couldn't resist a bit of pedantry - I agree with your post, by the way - but it was Dickens, rather than Shakespeare, who wrote that the law is an ass.
In 1980 (when I was a young copper) we would have gone into the house mob handed, nicked the squatters, given the lady her property back and ensured that this lot of trash got deported. Now the police seem to just be popping in for a chat with them. Anybody who thinks this place isn't beyond broken after reading this is a genuine moron or a simpleton. Or a socialist.
Complain as much as you like, then dont forget to vote lib/lab/con like good little boys next election for more of the same. Best of luck to the squatters, they're only doing what they've been encouraged to do by the people of Britain.
Bring pressure to bear on the Govt. to change this squatting law to make it a criminal offence immediately. Considering the world situation, this problem is only going to get more aggravated. Why should someone, who has worked all their lives to have to face a prolonged issue, added expense of people trashing thier property and the stress and uncertainty. How about the DM starting this off?
i really hate this country. - ashamed to be british, chester, 18/1/2012 10:37 ======================================================================================= So do I, and so am I.
As a first step, why don.t the owners have the power, gas, and water cut off?
All it should take is a phone call to your energy supplier to switch off the gas/eletricity, that will get them out.
It's all right everyone, our wonderful Justice Secretary is on the case! On March 18th last year the DM reported that "Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke is to scrap existing ‘soft touch’ laws and make occupying a private property illegally a criminal offence. It will mean the police can enter a property by force and evict the occupants within days." So that's all right then! The problem is solv- Eh? What do you mean, nothing's changed? But the Justice Secretary promised us ten months ago that it would happen! Surely our government wouldn't let us down, would they? They wouldn't promise something and then not do it...?
I seem to remember this issue was going to be sorted, in favour of the honest houseowner I mean, however all we get from this government is words and no action. I am embarrassed to admit I am British, as we are laughing stock of the world.
Dail Mail.......Please Please start another campaign for you surely will have the backing of the whole country,Enough is enough!!!!!!!Lets get this LAW changed now!!!!!!!
There is a simple solution. These squatters are illegal trespessers! Just buy a few pepper and tear gas sprays and squirt throgh the letter box. Problem solved!......
A prediction: When Sharon Wright is finally found 'she' will be a pseudonym for someone who knows how squatting works in this country. 'She' will have access to all manoeuvres to facilitate the extension of this 'tenancy'. Two thousand pounds sterling never saw the light of day; neither did any one make a pre-tenancy viewing, from the inside.
.....DON'T worry ......................"Call me Dave" and his Tory mates will sort this sort of thing out ,WON'T THEY ????
Welcome to broken Britain, freeloaders! Our politicians will bend over backwards to make sure your stay here is as cheap and as pleasant as possible.- Keith Jones, Wigan, UK, 18/1/2012 10:07. Keith you have said it all really. We really need to change our government as this lot and the liebour are as bad as each other. UKIP for me from now on.
Good job you didn't break into my house!! I would have just shot your ass!!!!
Vote for any of the 3 main parties and you vote for this end of story.
There are agencies specialized in 'removal' of undesirables. You can hire security staff for a ballroom, why not to evacuate your own premises? If the Police are aware that you are fumigating your property with Rentakil for pest control then you are entitled to do so regardless of the human pests on board. Civil is as civil does and one feels that the Police should be taking stronger action to apprehend the intermediaries in these scams and to give advice to the legal householders.
If they broke in that is a criminal offence. If the door was unlocked it is not BUT SHOULD BE IN THIS STUPID COUNTRY
Moldovia is not part of the EU !! Why will the boarder agency not ask to see their papers, and if they have no legal right in the UK, send them home today !! It is not surprising that we are a soft touch in Europe, the justice system is too concerned with micromanagement of our lives to be concerned with obvious CRIME Bring back the old Bobby who would have seen these criminals off. The next stop for these people will be the benefit office to claim some of my taxes. How about a private security company to clear these un-desirables, or will the do gooders find a lawyer to fight the Moldovian squatters case. Molly
Is it against the law to secure the gates to the property, to prevent access, or to cut the water and electric off ?
"....Alerted, the Masons rushed to the home but found the locks had been changed. Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter. ...">>>>>>>>>>>> I must be missing something, then: since when did breaking into a house and depriving the person who owns property of the use of tht property stop being criminal acts? Next it'll be victims of mugging or burglary who'll be told to catch the thief themselves - gently and respectfully, of course, without breaching their human rights! - and pursue them through the civil courts!
SO with the Electric they use while they are squatting and any other appliances. Council Tax etc who pays for that. I certainly wouldnt if I was the owner. They would soon move them then...
You can go to prison for breaking into a person's home to steal but breaking onto it to occupy it (trespass) is not a criminal offence. This is totally bizarre! When is the law on this going to be CHANGED?
police are a waste of space
You can go to prison for breaking into a person's home to steal but breaking onto it to occupy it (trespass) is not a criminal offence. This is totally bizarre! When is the law on this going to be CHANGED?
Whoever decided breaking and entering and stealing a home is legal really needs their head examining.....
I have said before and I will say again, Squatters like this get away with it because the Police and the CPS choose to interperet the law in the way that most favours the squatters. They turn a deliberate blind eye to obvious breaking and entering, they ignore what would be in any other situation, criminal damage and they choose not to investigate fake tenancy agreements. Let's imagine that a family of squatters managed to get into one of the Queen's residencies, say Sandringham, you reckon they would be allowed to stay? Of course not. The police and the CPS would jiggle the law about until they found a way to turff these people out. Very quickly too. And without the need for Court Orders. My point is that in a lot of cases the police could institute criminal proceedings. Not for squatting, but issues like criminal damage, breaking and entering or fraud. But they choose not to.Because it suits them not to. Because it's only Joe Public and they don't matter.
Although this is insane and should be illegal no matter what, I thought that squatting like this was only legal if entry WASN'T forced??? In this case it was forced, wasn't it? So why can't the police do anything??
turn of the water and electricity then camp outside, make sure anybody who leaves can not return.
Just a joke. What happened to breaking and entering? You can simply break in to a house, and, if it is empty you can stay there? What an absolute joke. Why is it always people who have worked all of their lives, paid their taxes (people like me) who suffer? It's always us who do no wrong that get stung by the benefit cheats, the low lifes, the squatters and the criminals and then more of our taxes pay for their 'rehabilitation' or as I call it 'life long freeloading'.
Mrs Mason needs to find new solicitors. There is a fast track county court process to get rid of squatters which could get these out within a few days.
They could be charged with the theft of a supermarket trolley?
What a country we live in. Our own treacherous politicians, the ones who sold us out to Brussels, have made us second-class citizens, foreigners are given preferential treatment every time.
i really hate this country.
The police are liars.
The police should not be questioning the breaking and entering criminals, they should be removing them!
If they broke in through the back door then surely that is breaking and entering, a criminal offence they should be arrested for, end of. Ian B, Warwick, 18/1/2012 10:04.---- My dear Ian from Warwick, you have a lot to learn about British justice. When you speak against them, then you yourself are liable to arrest for racism. The foreigners simply plead ignorance of our laws. The courts are stacked up against hard working honest British citizens. Read the DM every day Ian, you will soon get a clear understanding of the situation within the UK. Also please try to remember where to vote next time there is a general election. I will vote for the party that sacks all these useless court officials.
this is a CRIMINAL matter, pure and simple, as these scumbags broke in. keep tabs on them, wait until they've all gone out, then get someone in to change the locks again. Then tell them their stuff has been taken to the dump, right where they belong.
Just wondering,if that had been an english famlly would it still be viewed as a civil matter or as a break in.I suspect we are now officially the number 1 laughing stock of Europe,cheers for that you no good waste of space polititians.
"A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: ‘Squatting in an empty property remains a civil matter and the owners were advised accordingly.’ So what is BREAKING AND ENTERING? The police are just shirking their duties. Home secretary do your job!
if they had a rental agreement why break in via the back door.surely even our loopy judges should be able to see through their story and evict them pronto
"....Cameron get off your backside and do something, instead of useless rehetoric. How can this be a civil matter.- Alec, Leicester, 18/1/2012 9:58"......Shh, remember, Mr. Cameron is very busy indeed on his 'Happiness survey' which in his opinion is vital to Britain, and his leadership, he has no time for silly things of this nature......
What a wonderful country Great Britain is, providing you're not Btitish
"They broke in, that makes them burglers, can't they be arrested for that? - Denzil, thisinsanecountry, 18/1/2012 09:57" No, entering with an intent to STEAL (or inflict bodily harm) makes them burglars. As I understand it, as long as they have repaired the damage they caused in breaking in - I guess before they are discovered to have broken in - the law is with them. The sooner this law is changed, the better. This is a truly terrifying possibility if you have to be away from your home for an extended period.
The Police should have arrested them on suspension "breaking and entering" and taken them into custody pending them proving they had a right to do be in the property. This would give the true owner the opportunity to get her home back and stop them re entering.
It is time that squatting became a criminal offence. All foreign citizens who squat in private homes here are automatically deported with no right to legal assistance nor to appeal. They should be subject to a ruling that they can never return to this country
If this was to happen to me or any of my family I wouldn't tell anyone,but rest assured the people in the property would be out the property without any of their belongings back on the street where they belong,and I would take the full consequences and feel I was justified.
THE LAW AND COUNTRY IS VERY VERY WRONG,,GET THE LAWS CHANGED. COME ON KEN CLARK GET OFF YOUR BUM AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
they are the ones getting it all for free. Time for this to stop. I will chip in for the Masons legal bill, and I suggest they set up something or the Mail does a campaign. TIME TO STOP. THE ATM IS RUNNING OUT!!!
So I can break into one of your so called royal palaces that belongs to the people anyway and squat. What a country!
Tje police will do nothing until you try to get your proprty back - then you will be arrested! == The law needs to make trespass a criminal offence. THe poilce will then have to act and support the law abiding.
Have facebook parties at the event for hundreds of people every weekend until they go.
Who the hell is Sharon Wright to let out other peoples properties. Does my head in this. I'd suggest if this was our homes we'd resolve this one way or another.
I would drag them out myself and throw them in the gutter were they belong, no way Id be going through court and paying thousands in legal fees.
Disgusting, this law breaking is condoned by the police and the government
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with this country?! How many times does it have to happen that a group of people BREAK IN to a house, 'can't' be removed and stay there at the owner's expense?! We have enough problems in certain areas of London without worrying that your house will be full of squatters every time you leave it for two minutes.
If the police our powerless to do something about it and say that it is a 'civil' matter then to me that is telling the public to take the law into their own hands. Removal by any means necessary. If the law isn't changed then this country will become a very nasty place indeed with a high rate of assault and worse.
Can they ask for the electric to be turned off to their supply company to save that cost. It's all wrong what is going on.where has common sense gone to?
We need some squatters to move into an MP's home. The law would be changed within hours if that ever happened. Personally, the "law" wouldn't matter to me, I would treat them like the vermin that they are and smoke them out.
If they broke in it's a burglary and a criminal matter not a civil one.
this country is an absolute joke. How can breaking & entering be a civil matter? No doubt they never all go out together, otherwise they could break back into their own house and change the locks again, wonder what the law would have to say about that? No doubt the poor owners would be in the wrong. Good Old broken Britain!
If the police are so powerless, have they got a current TV licence ? Send the detector vans round, they are like rottweilers !
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/2012 2:09 Come on Tony Where have you been ? How can you blame Cameron ? This has been happening throughout the last 13 years of a Labour government ! Whoever is in power, the Law needs changing. End of story.
Why are some people blaming Cameron's government, it is a very old law. And a rediculous one at that.
Great Britain today.
I think without any major uprising there will be no change in law. Shame on you Kaimeroon
- Ivan Ekovanich, Russian flea circus; whose comment is currently at the top of the worst rated column does make make a very valid point. Just where are are the 'million man marches', the howls of protest outside Parliament, the mass button holing of MPs 
I'm sorry, isn't 'breaking and entering' a crime in this country?
This sort of event doesn't happen in Russia....or the countries where these 'people' come from, because in their home countries, they would be shot on sight by either the Police, or, the home owners or the friends or families. England is a 'soft' touch for them, hence they are swarming in and doing this....the law, urgently, needs changing.
OUR COUNTRY IS GETTING SICKER ALL THE TIME.A LAND OF MILK AND HONEY TO SQUATTERS AND BENEFIT CHEATS.WHER ELSE IN THIS WORLD ARE SO MANY CRIMES COMMITTED WITH OUT A PROPER PUNISHMENT.THE HUMAN RIGHTS RULE OUR COUNTRY,NOT THE ELECTED GOVERMENT OF THE DAY
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice (is this a misnomer) was unable to say when the law would come into force. " Why are they unable to say when - what are the proposed target dates? "Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door.....Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter. " Why is a break-in a civil matter? Is a break-in to anyone's house whilst the owner is out a civil matter? Who is the "Metropolitan Police spokesman" and who's opinion that it is "a civil matter" are they reciting? Since when does a "tenancy agreement" take precedence over owner land registry.
Just a thought, how about we all stop paying our mortgages once the banks have sorted all the paper work out to kick us out, we then claim squatters right for another 8 months or so. This would sort all the banks, politicians out, then and only then might start doing their jobs!
Dear Lady, get a no win no fee lawyer to serve notice to Ken Clarke and the police on the following grounds European Convention on Human Rights: Part II The First Protocol Article 1 Protection of property: Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law.
Message to the owner - stop paying for the electricity, for the moment and the heating, lets see how fast these parasites will move then. Play them at their own game - it is YOUR property do with it as you will to get these leeches out!
I wonder, if a group of ''needy Europeans'' were to break into the local MP's house, or the Chief Constable's, what might then be the outcome? would Breaking and entering mysteriously become a crime overnight?.... Probably !
This is a civil matter not a police matter .Then for goodness sake MAKE it police matter. Why in the U.k.does everything take such a long time before the law is changed for the good of the people and not criminals. Why why why .
The police ''can't do anything''. Try sending in the ''heavies'' to get this scum out and they will be round like a shot to arrest you.''Cesspit'' Britain once again.
Sorry everyone, there is something missing in this story. The police can act in a case of house break in. Secondly, gas and electricity firms can be told to visit the property and disconnect the service. They have a TV, so TV licensing can be told to ask them to pay. These squatters claim to have a tenancy agreement which the Police can take a copy of and have it examined to see if it is fake, which constitutes a crime in itself. Who is the lady who the tenants claim to have an agreement with. DM is not reporting the whole story.
I wonder if this would be a civil issue should it happen to Nick Clegg or some MEP??
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in. - Tony, Cheltenham, England., 18/1/2012 2:09>>>>>>> This is a Tony B"LIAR" legacy Tony and well you know it... He opened the doors and let them flood in, ruined this counrty...
YOUNG PEOPLE NEED TO READ THIS AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that CMD said that he would be bringing in a law to make squatting a criminal offence, not a civil matter. I suppose it's one of those sometimes never changes that we are promised.
Throw them out and tell the Moldovians to sue the so called letting agent. These fake letting agreements are allowing them to make fools of us all. It's time our politicians did something about it.
How are breaking and entering a property and fraudulently renting out a property that doesn't belong to you not criminal offence's? Think the police ought to be trained in what constitutes a crime and what doesn't, idiots.
it will soon be people are afraid to go on holidays incase these squatters move in when you are away what a country we have become
Our law is rubbish. So now we can't even go on holidays without worry. The law is blind, can't they even tell if the contract is or not made-up contract from Sharon Wright. Cut off the electric Mrs Masons. Go to sky news, the law should be change pronto. Please please please change our law on squatters ASAP.
I smell a business opportunity. 'Squatters for hire'. Someone should set up a business that supplies background checked people to occupy your property around the clock in shifts, thus leaving the property continuously occupied and making it impossible for someone to break in. I have no idea of what the cost could possibly be, but it would be cheaper and quicker than risking squatters, plus it would be in the contract that there would be no damage to the property.
Who the hell decided that breaking into a stranger's home and using their gas and electricity and living there for as long as they like is legal?
Deport the thieving scroungers immediately. Why were they let in?
I donÂ’t agree with squatters rights but I understood the law to be that they could only enter the property if not breaking in? They broke in in this case so why canÂ’t the police arrest them?
How the hell is this a civil matter.....they broke into her house??????
A couple of months ago, here in Luxembourg, a bunch of squatters took over a property. The police were called, duly arrived and removed the squatters. The property was handede back to the rightful owners. The whole incident was over uin 2 hours. Now, if little old Luxembourg can do it - why can't Britain?
I understood"call me" and his government said last June they were going to criminalise squatting as part of the new Justice Bill. Perhaps the DM could investigate what progress has been made-before people lose their patience.
Absolute disgrace! Should be evicted immediately and all charged with breaking and entering, costs for damages etc!! Far to weak for our own good!!
If they have broken in, that is criminal damage and the police have to intervene. This is a total disgrace and the Government should stop all this once and for all and make this a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment.
They broke in and changed the locks......surely that classifies as breaking and entering and they can be charged! Since I am not the only one making this comment clearly us 'logical' thinking people think the same!
Hmmmm why are the Masons paying the utility bills?...why don't they contact the suppliers and request them to be turned off. I'm sure the Moldovans would soon leave when they have no heat or light.
Squatting is apparently legal. OK so looking at the pictures we have theft of a Supermarket trolley (Criminal offence) or theft by finding it (criminal offence), possibly watching a TV without a valid licence (Criminal Offence), theft of utilities (Criminal offence) never mind the alleged breaking in. So there is plenty to act on to give the Police a start. - Mark, Manchester, in the once Great Britain, 18/1/2012 09:48++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ thar is correct, but you forgot about the EU advocates who will use her human rights so she can live in the UK (but not anywhere else in the EU, of course)... And it will be your and my money to pay these EU advocates...
Welcome to broken Britain, freeloaders! Our politicians will bend over backwards to make sure your stay here is as cheap and as pleasant as possible.
What have we got to do now to protect our properties hire security guards.to sit in when we go out .
The squatters would claim that the door lock was already broken when they came to it, however stealing electricity is illegal and they could be arrested for that if the police got off their backsides and stopped claiming it was all a civil matter....
This Madness will continue unabated for as long as Ther British People alloow it, by constantly electing the same Corrupt individuals into Parliament. Over the last five Decades, the LibLabCon, have systematically destroyed OUR Country, to benefit their Banking Masters in Europe. For heaven's sake wake up, before this leads to the Civil War that was intended at the outset, followed by a divide and conquer move to establish a Nazi State.{Orwell's 1984} As you can all see, the Cameras are already in place, last year,s riots were allowed to happen in order to test out the System.
The law on squatting is insane. It should be changed as soon as possible.
I will never understand why this is not a criminal matter. You cannot steal a house by taking it away, but, as a house's purpose, and the reason we pay for them, is to be lived in then surely if you live in a house you don't own then you have in effect stolen it - hence theft, hence criminal offence. I feel less sympathy for owners who leave their homes empty and wasted with no attempt to sell them for ages when there are so many homeless, they are perhaps asking to have squatters. However, this couple were in the process of selling having rented it out, so this is not a house that was vacant for any lenght of time. As for paying for the electricity, well, as they own the house then they can just let the electricity company know they no longer need power and have it cut off, that should help get these squatters out. It may be that they were in turn conned by this Sharon woman, but that is still not the fault or problem of this poor couple.
The £250,000 three-bedroom detached house in Walthamstow, East London, was left empty after the tenants moved out. Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door. -------- If they broke in it is not squatting and a civil matter but breaking & entering and tresspass which IS a matter for the police, so either the DM has it's facts wrong and they got in without breaking in or the police don't even know the law, both possibilities are equally posible these days so pick one or flip a coin
This peculiar British legal situation which allows scavenging squatters to BREAK into a person's private home, move their goods inside, use electricity/water etc at the OWNER'S expense - and remain there until the court sorts it out! And the owner has to stand by with hands tied, foot the bill for all legal costs and property expenses (electricity consumption etc) - and wait. This is absolutely unbelievable! What has Britain come to that it forces its citizens to endure this? Is the owner re-imbursed for all the costs when the saga is over?
I don't condone squatting at all, so don't to lump that on me. However, I just feel the need to point out that Moldova is NOT, I repeat NOT in the EU so this has nothing to do with the EU - so can the EU bashing be left out of this thread. You look like idiots when you just spout out EU nonsense at every opportunity.
If they broke in through the back door then surely that is breaking and entering, a criminal offence they should be arrested for, end of.
If they originally BROKE in then that's a crime isn't it? What a laughing stock this Country has become!
My cousin had a similar problem with a house he owns. Some people had broken the door open, and he thought they were using the house to sell drugs from, he also thought there was stolen property in there, they had also left a vicious dog in there which attacked one of his friends. He went to the police, who said they knew about the house, but could do nothing about it as it was a civil matter, they also knew about the dog but they said they couldn't remove it, so he had to get the RSPCA to come. Hopefully now, after having to buy new doors, and other expenses he is sorted, but it caused him a lot of stress, and having survived cancer a year or two back was all he needed. The law needs to be changed if it is true that the police can do nothing and that it isn't that they just can't be bothered.
If dirty squatters moved into my house phoning the police would be the last thing I would do. The police will never support you against squatters. I would move in with them and they would soon pack there bags
How much longer do we have to wait for the acts of squatting and tresspass to be returned to criminal law.I believe the previous government reclassified the offences to be covered by civil law so it should be easy enough to reverse. Perhaps a reversal would upset sqatters and travellers.
Cameron get off your backside and do something, instead of useless rehetoric. How can this be a civil matter.
You have a very peculiar and odd way of looking at illegal things in your country me thinks LOL
This country is being raped by foreigners from the EU we must get out and make strong laws to protect us all.
These people don't bother with detail. They talk about and pass on in their limited but canny minds what the so-called travellers got away causing mayhem for so long at Dale Farm. They get the message - the law is an ass - and if Shakespeare said it then it must be! Ignorance is really bliss with these people. But they know that sweet reason is not in their lexicon, doesn't pay, just get on with they do, and move in regardless. And in numbers, all their offspring. Their attitude? That going to school, to learn, to consider, is all a mug's game. But how sickening. Dregs of society? Fair description for me.
They broke in, that makes them burglers, can't they be arrested for that?
Maybe they should be arresting the leasing agent and or their associates. The Police should hold the intruders in custody until their actions are proved to be of honest intention and collated with the proper evidence. The benifit of doubt should be given to the Owners..Until proved otherwise. Changing the locks & breaking in through the back door is enough to be arrested for.Pah Humbug GB.
I served in Kosovo right after the war there, and these people were invading even Kosovo, although it had just gotten off of war. They dont give a damn about other people much. Also, Moldova is not in the EU and as such they are probably illegal in the UK. That should suffice to kick ‘em out of the house and the country altogether.
IM begining to feel like a stranger in my own land.
Yes, the whole world is laughing at the stupidity in this country on a daily basis.
British people have NO rights, only squatters, criminals and illegal immigrants have rights kindly given to them by the EU who took away our rights with the consent of our governments.
JM, Nottingham is right. This country has gone mad - we're just fascilitating a mass free for all, with lovely benefits to boot. It's got to stop. Pity the neighbours too, having to live near the squatters.
If they broke in they are not squatters.... They are criminals... Breaking and entering is still a crime in this country is it not???!!! Ridiculous, get them out and send them back to their own country if they cannot abide by the laws of this land.
The joys of being in the EU. - Jessand, Putney, SW London, 18/1/2012 14:47 Sorry to disappoint you but Moldova isn't a member of the EU - bill, dover - - - - - - - If thats the case, send the UKBA to the address. If they have no right to be here, they should be removed. Not that the UKBA will actually remove them, but it might make them do a runner from the placee.
My god, just returned from 3 week trip to Thailand and NOTHING has changed in this country, this is why I shall definitely be moving overseas in coming years. I am sooo sick of the way hard working/honest Brits are treated with such disrespect by these low lives - poor Mr and Mrs Mason, I really really feel for them...
Paul, Southampton, UK, this has nothing to do with the EU and the UK's membership or not. Last time I looked Moldova wasnt a member! This is to do with the UK's border controls (or lack of it, one presumes) and the barmy English laws regarding squatters rights. One thing is certain, it wouldnt happen in other EU countries, the police would simply turf them out!
I thought breaking and entering was a criminal offence.
Must try breaking into no 10 Downing Street or Buckingham Palace and see how long my squatters rights will allow me to live there?
So if they had a tenancy agreement why didn't they have a key? And I thought braking in was against the law? Looks like some people are refusing to do their jobs properly..
Putting an Estate Agent's board on a property just advertises to would-be squatters that it is likely to be empty. Three attempts to break into the empty house next to me in Walthamstow were only foiled because we heard them and chased them off. Even though they were jemmying open the front door no doubt the police would not have arrested them for breaking and entering!
For the Well Being, Wealth, Housing, Health Services, Benefits System etc for ALL the peoples of these islands in ALL of the countries the best wall to rebuild is the Berlin Wall not Hadrians.
Wimpy Ken has a 'proposal' to make this sort of theft along with breaking and entering illegal! Crazy. These people must have broken several laws already including theft of services like electricity and water. Get a move on Ken. The rest of us should just cease voting for Lib/Lab/Con as we can just expect more of the same until the jackboot of the EU is off our face.
We keep voting for these left wing anti British/ English, Empire apologist, and general sycophants. Until we change our voting habits this will keep happening.
Breaking and entering is a CRIME. How did anyone get in there ? Find Sharon Wright ? Is the document a forgery ? - another CRIME. Did "Sharon Wright" defraud the occupants ? - another CRIME. There we are, THREE CRIMES to investigate! Get off your fat backsides PLOD, before your lazy incompetence drives people to violence.
Get used to it, or elect leaders with testes.
if the police kick them out ,the council will have to re house them, that is why the police are reluctant to act, the longer the squatters stay as 'guests' of this poor lady , the more money the council will save,, she perhaps should get in contact with the council,and threaten to sue them,for what in particular i do not know, perhaps some type of failure to provide alternative housing
British peple now sake a back seat to foreigners in their own country. I cannot see any other country in the world allowing this to happen without the police taking serious action to resolve things. I am so glad i don't live in the pitiful place any longer ... very sad.
Breaking and entering; I thought was illegal; against the law, not right under the law; contrary to British law....has that sunk in yet Prime Minister and Home Secretary; hasn't he been sacked yet; not fit for purpose. So why haven't these criminals been rounded up and removed from the house. Britain is now bogged down with European law; lawyers who make it their job to spin the taxpayer's money into their pockets supporting such criminals; no doubt. Breaking and entering; get them out and ito jail; preferably a Brussels jail; or let them stay in one of those faceless European judges homes with their familes; wouldn't that be nice.
Squatting is apparently legal. OK so looking at the pictures we have theft of a Supermarket trolley (Criminal offence) or theft by finding it (criminal offence), possibly watching a TV without a valid licence (Criminal Offence), theft of utilities (Criminal offence) never mind the alleged breaking in. So there is plenty to act on to give the Police a start.
Outrageous. i recently watched a programme on squatters and i cant believe the home owner has no rights what so ever to even come onto the property, let alone grab then by the scruff and kick them out. One owner had to pay all court cost while the squatters got aid. And court and clean up cost him 30K
"They broke down the door! How can it not be breaking and entering????What are these people doing in England?" - Stuart Rowe, Port Elizabeth,South Africa...There is no such crime in English law as "breaking and entering". There is a crime of burglary, but that requires the entry was made for the purpose of committing one of four specific crimes, usually stealing goods inside the building. Had they arrested someone for damaging the lock, that is a paltry offence and they would have had to have been bailed - back to the house! Like it or lump it, the law makes the police powerless in such cases and arresting these occupiers would have been unlawful and put the police on the wrong side of the law. Don't blame the police for this - Parliament should make squatting an offence and give the police the powers they need to deal with it.
Makes you wonder who are the mugs here, we law abiding hard working citizens or idle criminals who never go to work, steal or get given free housing, money thrown at them and just in case they do get caught and sent to prison, they are given more free lodgings and 3 hot meals a day, warm beds and showers, pool tables and tv's and as many human rights that they can think of. How the hell did all this stupidity happen?
Many years ago my other half rented out a house. The tenants left, but when my other half went to check out the property he found an individual (who it turned out was a friend of the previous tenants) mending his motor bike in the front room - carpet oily and filthy and the rest of the place a mess. Fortunately the locks had not been changed so my other half was able to access the property and this individual was ejected without delay. If some enterprising company could come up with a 'squatterproof' security system for a house I'm sure they would do very well, meanwhile I cannot blame people who take matters into their own hands in order to reclaim their properties. One other thought - maybe locksmiths should be made responsible for establishing ownership of the houses they are changing locks on. This would not stop squatters from doing it themselves, but could be one extra safeguard.
i cant write what i want to write as i know i would get done unlike these
Change this outdated law and charge these housebreakers for tresspass and then thow them out of the country.
If the old bill had his wits about him it would be conspiracy to break and enter, the fact of being in a house you have no right to be in after the door was broken should be enough to establish a joint effort. It should not be necessary to establish exactly which individual broke the door.
"Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter." Rgight everyone STOP PAYING your taxes since you get no benefit from the state institution's.
"It would be so easy to pass a new law - and I dont think any law abiding citizen would put in objections!" - Janet, UK, 18/1/2012 9:19 You are right Janet, no law abiding citizen would put in objections, but you can be damn sure the "Yuman Rights" brigade would!
Badly served by the legal profession. Law Society itself is a shambles - no wonder
I would have thought that breaking a door to get in would have been a crime . If it is NOT a crime then this Government should dam well make it one The government should make squatting a criminal offence sooner rather than later . It is much more important than asking nurses to talk to patients , I would have thought !!!!
IMO If somebody doesn't do SOMETHING about this RIGHT away, somebody somewhere is going to get hurt. Somebody please pay attention, the English will only "put up and shut up" so long, that time is nearing it's close I believe. Somebody needs to LISTEN SOON.
Why have we got this European scum in Britain; I know, we are tied into Europe by spineless PMs and politicians. As I predicted years ago; Britain has become the "Amsterdam" of Europe. It has to stop, Get out of Europe; forget the scaremongering by Euro supporters; Britain can go it alone; it did years ago, and it still can do....Get out of Europe and tell them to get lost or they will sink us all.
A policeman once told me they can't do anything if someone walks into your house, it's only when they steal something that it becomes a criminal matter. He gave the example of should the people switch on the lights, then that would be classed as theft of electricity and the police would be able to act. Perhaps this couple could go down the route? - James Ford, The Island, 18/1/2012 09:07 ---In the photo they appear to have the TV on so why don't the police do them for theft of electricity?
Instead of forking out thousands of pounds on legal fees, why not just give a couple of burly blokes a couple of hundred quid to go and "ask" these reprobates to leave? No violence of course, but the sight of 2 or 3 huge men knocking on your door would be enough to frighten them off. Then they can get a nice council house that we can all pay for.
I personally wouldnt stand for it and would take my own initiative. If it where my house i would bust down the door to my house with a few of my mates or some hired big blokes and drag them all out. Also i thought the whole stupid squatters law only applied if they got into the house without damaging anything, and surely breaking in through the back door and changing the locks is damaging the property, how on earth can anything like this be legal, its a complete and utter joke.
I cannot comprehend the audacity of these foreigners!!! How dare they take someone else's property like that. Squatters should have NO rights! They should be arrested for STEALING other peoples property!
The situation is ridiculous. The Police may claim to be unable to do anything but I wouldn't mind betting the TV License people will be round there quick enough to get their dough!
I would change the locks when they were all out .... trouble is i bet they never leave it empty for 5 minutes ~ what is this country coming to ????
Turn off the power and water. Get Phil Mitchel in!
Time Cameron did something about this and make it a police matter initially and a legal matter thereafter.
What are we moaning about, WE allowed our Government to kowtow to the EU and throw open the borders to allow all this dross in and NOW we complain...pathetic, UKIP for me.
We need law to be changed from today if this was some mp they wouldn't be there 5 seconds cos the police would sort it out. why is this a civil matter? they are illegal in someone's property they are not there by consent its trespass
And yet a UK Immigration Officer had this problem, got a Court Order and the Police evicted the squatters all within 24 hours (Daily Mail 18/8/11) so why will it take months ? I know, the lady doesn't work within Government circles, so she doesn't count.
- Ivan Ekovanich, Russian flea circus., 18/1/2012 7:47 The worse thing that happened was when the former "Iron Curtain" came down. When you will all controlled we never had even heard of some of these Countries. Now look at what Europe is having to pay fo
Nobody,and mean nobody would do this to me. The criminal justice system is a sick joke. I would use whatever means where nesessary to remove this scum from my propety. I certainly would not rely on the useless police. Yes I know these jobsworths would arrest me because that is the easy option for them, but so what.
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
Remember this: British people have no rights any more. We are here to serve all others and be humiliated and downtrodden at every opportunity. Work hard, pay your taxes, and see those hard earnt taxes used and abused by a system that rewards the undeserving. If you think this is bad, wait until the floodgates open to the Romanians at the end of next year. And there is nothing we can do about it........well, not unless we leave the EU, and how do we leave the EU? I say bring people power back and oust the EU, and the only current way is to vote UKIP, if only to get us out of this insane institution.
It gets down to three basic facts of life. Utterly useless politicians Utterly useless Justice system Utterly useless police force. Give up folks. Nothings going to change.
When our own government is not screwing us they allow others to enter the country and screw us. In the old days people could leave their doors unlocked for the kids to play freely and if that was to happen today it would allow someone to also take over your home without being arrested for trespassing. How ridiculous is the trespassing law if it can not protect people and their property from squatters? The UK is the laughing stock of not just Europe where all know they can come and take our taxes and homes but also the world as it looks on and laughs.
"Squatters' rights" - an oxymnoron if I ever heard one! How can someone entering your property, without your consent have rights? What about the owner's rights? There have been far too many episodes like this. The government needs to change this law TODAY - and get rid of that Human Rights guff at the same time. NO RIGHTS WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITIES.
I suggest the police starts with checking if these people have right to be in the UK.
THE LAW IS A ASS.
Makes me wonder why I am bothering spending most of my salary on my mortgage when I could just have helped myself to someone else's house for free. It must be because I am an honest hard working tax payer instead of a thief.
"believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door." So they broke in. That is Breaking and Entering and is an arrestable offence, convictable in UK law. So either the DM has the story wrong or Mason can sue the police for millions.
I expect they have a TV Licence for that telly!
Of course it's a police matter! And if it isn't for some crazy reason, it jolly well should be! Stop passing the buck, UK police!
It is high time that squatting in any property, whether furnished or empty, is treated as theft of property. This would automatically make it a criminal matter and give the police power to act to remove the squatters. I don't know where this idea of it being a civil matter came from, when the inhabitants have entered and taken possession of somebody else's property without their consent. The owner of any property, or the official tenant of any property should be able get the trespassers removed immediately, giving the owner/tenant time to provide a copy of their lease or mortgage or a copy of their lease agreement with a reputable agency or council. It is absolutely criminal that these people from Third World European countries should be allowed to break in (we know they do, despite their denials), wave a piece of paper from some unheard of Third World European agent an have police protection whilst they steal gas and electricity and wreck someone's home. WAKE UP CAMERON
Civil matter? They broke in: breaking and entering and criminal damage are two of the offences committed that spring to mind. This is not a civil matter; the police have abdicated responsibility in respect of this type of crime. But don't take matters into your own hands! Oh No! If you do, it will be you who is arrested and down the nick. Great country this, isn't it? No wonder so many people are flooding to live here.
UKIP or BNP for me next time
Come on Daily Mail help this family, do a petition in the paper that we can all sign and get this government to change this law ASAP.
if you have a property empty for whatever reason(even if it's for a brief period) you should contact 'short-life housing co-ops' they will draw up a contract with you which guarantees re-posession with a months notice(if so required) & they put tenents in who will prevent squatters & all the vast expense,stress & huge inconvenience they bring. Also a modest rent is paid to you as well..i am such a tenent & it works well for the owners,also my neighbour an elderly lady is happier as she wasn't happy when te property was boarded up potentialy attracting crime.
Advise to all new immigrants into the UK. Go to the House of Parliament, obtain the addresses of the useless MP and feel free to squat in their properties. I bet that would change the law quickly.
I have been writing to Grant Shapps Goverment Housing Minister on these cases of illegal squatting after he announced lasr year that he was going to change the law and get squatting of innocent people's property made illegal and a thing of the past. So what has he done so far after a year? Answer? Absolutely nothing !!
It's ludocrous! Somebody breaks into your house and makes a home there illegally and it's a "civil matter"? The laws must be changed immediately.
The joys of being in the EU. - Jessand, Putney, SW London, 18/1/2012 14:47 Sorry to disappoint you but Moldova isn't a member of the EU
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." 'Waffler' Clarke seems to have enough spare time to make a g-d awful Jazz programmes for Radio 4. Get a grip man or move over for someone who can spend 100% of their time on the job.
Surely if they have broken in, then they should be removed as thats ILLEGAL. Time we acted swiftely, evict and DEPORT, its the only way to get these free loaders out of our country.
Well our politicians are always claiming that we should welcome other cultures and learn from them. Isnt that right Ken Livingstone? Welcome to Britain. Its enough to make you weep!!
The squatters have furnished themselves with a few luxuries i.e. sofa and TV I see. If the TV is theirs and was not left behind by Mrs Mason then I believe the squatters are liable for the TV license...get the licensing agency to go round and fine them the mandatory 1,000 pounds....TV Licensing will hound these squatters to pay...which would hopefully scare them off. Use the system to beat the system.
If the Moldovan "squatters" had been terrorists like Mr Qatada, the state would have found them a nice mansion not a 3 bedroom house, and made sure they were well looked after by our "benefits" system! I am sure Shami Chakrabarti and her organisation would have pulled out all the stops for them.
When is CAMERON going to start looking after the interests of his voters NOT the SCUM that LABOUR has allowed to contaminate our country!!!!
Who the hell decided that squatters have rights. Isn't it called stealing?
I wonder what would happen if millions of us decided to move to an Eastern European country and do this to their people? I wonder if their government and law would stand for it? Most likely not. We are the cul-de-sac for all the scum in Europe. And out weak willed government does NOTHING for its own people.
So if the police are saying they can't do anything as it's a civil matter ... and if the squatters are saying that they didn't break in, they just found it like that ... all you need to do as a burglar now, if caught in anybody's house, is wave a bit of paper with a made up name on it, say you are the new tenant and those crowbar marks on the back door were there when you got there. Job done! I still don't understand though: if you find people in your car they can be arrested, but if you find them in your house you can't?
Under this BAD LAW, even if the owner entered the property, SHE would be arrested and have to pay compensation to the crminals stealing her house. Bad Law must be ignored by Good People. If 'The Law' said you must jump over a cliff, would you? Come on, locals and relatives of the owner, help eject the criminals as your 'police' are too busy protecting the rights of terrorists like Abu Whatsisname... This country could be better if Good People got off their backsides and stop being afraid of BAD LAWS. The police would look, and say, "Oh my, The People run this country after all!"
Well im sorry but i would not have involved the police .One way or another they would of been out and stuff the consequences stupid law
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." - Now, sooner rather than later. It's about time this country started protecting the law abiding British people. These scumbags should be sent packing, out of this woman's house and back to where they came from. They are criminals (civil matter doesn't cut it with me personally) with no respect, they are not welcome here.
The owner should advise the utility companies that they should disconnect the supplies (Gas, electricity, water & telephone). The squatters would then have to ask for reconnection and PAY for them. Oh, I forgot, that would breach their human rights!
I am fed up with reading about situations like this! Its high time our government took action and made situations like this a criminal offence. If it were me and my property i'd turn up with a load of friends/relatives and boot them all out. At the end of the day its her property, so kick them the hell out. Disgusting!! This country is being dragged further and futher down and our govenment do NOTHING about it.
The police are not powerless to act if the squatters broke in as stated in the article. In that case they are no different from burglars. If they walked in through an open door then squatting is a civil matter- I think the police need to brush up on the law.
THE LAW IS AN ASS at times and this a blatantly good example of a wrongful act, not covered by immediate action to be taken by the police. If I get into your car the police will remove me, but not if get in your house.... Lawful people become second to unlawful....what situation the law creates, utter stupidity is an understatement
Why dont you get the water gas and electric cut off that will shift the little darlings
What a country weve become, foreigners can just walk into your home, steal it, and the police are powerless to do anything about it. Weve become the laughing stock of the world. When will we as a nation wake up and take our country back from all these so called do gooders who think more about the human rights of thieves and murderers trhan honest hard working British citizens.???
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49..........There was someone else who talked like this and he was the most hated man in the world. They are humans not rats. I don't agree with what they are doing and I don't agree that anyone should squat a a home and not be able to be turfed out (there are many empty homes about including council ones but not in such a nice condition). That gives you no reason to call another human being a rat for finding a home. What should be illegal is that they are not UK citizens so the law of squatters rights should not apply to them.
I wonder if the squatters broke into a Policeman's or a MP's house it would still be a ''civil'' matter
This is UTTERLY ridiculous! In any other country this is called trespassing. Every single person who reads this article is going to feel outraged and sympathy for the homeowner in question, but do nothing as it's not their home that has been invaded. We've never been a nation to stand by and abide this kind of lunacy, so please write to your local MPs and the the Justice Secretary and start DEMANDING a change to this law. Trespassing is illegal, as is stealing and this 'squatting' issue is both. One day you could try to sell your home or go on a lengthy vacation.....
We are all in it together? Are they in your house,Cameron?
Those poor Moldovans. Not only do they appear to have been misled and probably conned out of a great deal of money due to the fake tenancy agreement but they forgot to collect their 60 inch plasma screen upon entering the country.
the Moldovian family are squatting in Britain as it is , they are also squatting in a persons home , spot the difference .
It's about time England take the lead from us Scott's and make it illegal to squat. Come on parliament do your job help those who are honest law abiding people that have their lives wrecked because you stand in favour of the criminals. I'm sure that all the fat MP's and lords would not sit back and let this happen to you or your own family, I bet you would have them removed before the day is out if it was your own home. Many of the laws of this great land are no better than reusable toilet paper. Kick out the squatters put them in jail or send them back home.
Isn't that bizarre - if you break into a property and started damaging stuff, the police would arrest you. If you break into a property and start putting stuff into your pockets or bags, the police would arrest you. Break into a property and wave a piece of paper called "tenancy agreement" in their faces and they police don't or can't do anything.... Isn't the use of someone else's electricity supply or telephone line theft?
John, Essex - I'd risk it!! There is no way I'd sit back and do nothing. Wat Tyler, we need you again!!!
When I read things like this I am so happy that I don't live in England anymore! STUPID LAWS!!!!!STUPID Government! STUPID European Union.HOW can a foreigner enter England and steal this ladies house??????STUPID POLICE!!!!!!!They broke down the door! How can it not be breaking and entering????What are these people doing in England? Can we go to Moldova and steal their houses?
eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door...........Only in Britian! haaaa listen, if you break into someone's home here in the states, it's a CRIME, otherwise known as a POLICE problem, that turns into a LEGAL problem which turns into a COURT problem which ends up a JAIL problem. There are cases where all this is bypassed & it becomes a DEAD problem...then every thing goes back 2 normal. Meaning, the rightful owners retake possession of their property.
This item says more about what's wrong than even the piece about the criminal on release who murdered the 95 year old lady. Not only is the Law an Ass, which everyone knows; but society has it's head screwed on backwards. BTW -- This applies to both sides of the Atlantic.
The lawless always seem to come out on top in this country. Tax payers are mugs to a false democracy.
What on earth are we doing letting this happen..I don't understand who Government is working for any more.It isn't it's people.
Wasn't there a pledge.promise, assurance or whatever they called it about this type of thing long ago,but don't worry once the councils have robbed some old lady of her house these people will have a council house on you.
The benefit laws must be changed; for as long as we have these over generous benefits these people will be pouring over the boarder and into the UK. CHANGE THE BENEFITS SYSTEM NOW! We are all told we live in austere times; well British Government reflect this in the benefits you had out to these foreigners.
So the wonderful Met Police think that fraud is a civil matter. Why aren't they investigating the woman who sold the squatters the contract ? With the amount of publicity this has been getting recently, I am surprised the landlady did not take extra measures.
The police have got to have proof of who broke the lock to enter the house otherwise these low lives can claim that the door was already open when they moved in. Bitch it is. but that is the way the law is. suggest that the owner places a skip outside the back and front door, for the rubbish which will now start accumalating. Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26
I thought that breaking and entering was a crime. Seems like more examples of police who cannot be bothered.
ok, well if you cant get them on one ground due to a inept legal system that appears to benefit everyone other than us brits , TV licence ??? they are using one and if they haven't paid for rent i am damn sure they don't have one of those ......
Why do you people believe all you read in the DM!!!! If these people had broken in they would have been arrested for burglary.... If the building was insecure then its civil and the police have no powers. Don't get me wrong this is an outrage however the police don't make up the law they enforce it (or should do anyway!) Maybe anger should be vented towards the government who are the ones that can make a change..... Please if anything, don't put so much trust in the person writing the article, you don't get the true picture!
This whole 'squatters thing' is the most pathetic and most insane law I've ever encountered. get those people out of the house and send them back to where ever they're from. Idiots!
What has happened to our country?? We need to rid ourselves of all this soft, liberal, lefty nonsense!!
The law needs changing today , no right to be in your own home? where is the logic, and common sense , cut off the services , and board all the windows and doors up with steel plates ,
If you break into a house and steal even the most worthless trinket, it's burglary and you can go to jail. If you steal the whole house and everything in it, you're untouchable and the owners have to pay thousands to get you out! We are a laughing stock.
The DM must be delighted! An actual real excuse to include the 'value' of someone's house in the article.
I'm confused by this...They broke into the house (Breaking and entering is against the LAW) So how is this a civil matter? Probably the police cannot be bothered to deal with all the paper work...Sounds about right!
Breaking and entering is crime not a civil matter and it's time the government and the courts did something about it A.S.A.P
I am sick and tired of this 'the police won't do anything attitude', its half whats wrong with this country. I wish some of these people would break into Downing Street, be interesting to see if the police would do anything then. Makes my head spin to think how fast they'd act!!!
None of them were prepared to talk, probably don't speak a word of English. This really makes my blood boil. I bet when they get out, they will go to the council, get a council house, get council tax benefit, free school meals for their kids, free school places, social security, free school trips, free medical. It's crazy. We need to take control of our country once again. This would have never happened before the EU came along. I'm going to be so happy when it falls!
Surely it is stealing someone else's property and I thought stealing was illegal! What is wrong with this country?
It's easy to pass the buck and say it's a civil matter. The Criminal Damage Act 1861 (probably amended now) states that it is a criminal offence to cause damage to other persons property. Unless they used a key how did they gain access? without causing damage? Civil redress is an option but who is going to pay the costs.? Certainly not the squatters. Successive governments have closed their eyes and ears to these things happening. Wouldn't it be wonderful if every time an MP went on holiday his house was invaded by these people. Soon see a change in the law then, I bet.
For those of you commenting here who have also voted for Liebour in the past 15 years this is what you voted for get on with it..
Our MP's need to get off their backside and change the law so squatters are treated like the criminals they really are and property owners are not forced to waste their money and the already overworked courts time in getting rid of them. The police must be given powers to immediately evict squatters and at the same time arrest them to pay for any criminal damage they have done. Additionally the law should also be changed to allow the immediate eviction of travellers who unlawfully occupy private or public land and cease goods until they have paid to clean up the mess they have created..
Totally agree with Sohud, cut the gas and electricity off. With any luck the weather will turn exceedingly cold and these lowlifes will just freeze to death. Other than that, pay for a few heavies to 'have a word'. Cheaper than a lawyer, and let's face it,many of them have no morals and are only interested in lining their own pockets. Of course, it is now legal to be able to defend your property. Oh, and I seem to recall that breaking and entering is in fact, ILLEGAL! So perhaps the workshy police just don't want to be bothered with the paperwork. Why are these dreadful people even here in the first place? Send them back. If nothing is done, as a Tory all my life, I will be voting UKIP in the future.
Ridiculous! Would British people get away with this in their country? I think not - these Moldovians should be booted back to their own country.
The sooner this is made a criminal act the better - the law and the police need to get a grip.
So breaking into a house is legal in Britain? If I would have known that before, I would have made myself at home at Dowing Street No 10!
DON'T PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL AND GET IT CUT OFF! THEN PAY IT WHEN THEY ARE OUT. Appalling laws in this country for good people who have always upheld the laws. Appalling for this couple.
It would be so easy to pass a new law - and I dont think any law abiding citizen would put in objections!
A bit mean-spirited is it not? After all, our goverment have done their best to welcome strangers to our land so the least we can do is provide housing for them. After all, if our government welcomes them they must want us to house them? Or am I missing something here?
Nice body swerve there plod....not my job sir. And who ever thought it was a great idea to make this a civil matter should be flogged in the streets. Why should peoples lives be ruined and the law just stands by . Get a grip of this one Cameron.
Unbelieveably unfair, unjust and just plain ridiculous. The so called Law in this country absolutely STINKS. First thing to do is cut off all gas and electricity, employ a few 'handy men' to remove these cretins and chuck them out on their lazy backsides while the rest of us cheer you on! And we will cheer, very loudly!
have they a television licence ? just a thought ...should have terminated her gas and electricity before hand therefore not her problem
This keeps happening, the politicians keep doing nothing, and the police even less, remember this when a political party knocks at your door for votes, or the plod want a favour
can they not be charger for breaking and entering? So i f a burglar is caught on a premisises by the police, if he refuses to leave the property, does it mean he can claim squatters rights instead?
A quarter of a million pounds for that shoebox? I'm off to B&Q for a padlock for my wardrobe - they'll be squatting in there next!
The law on squatting is rediculous all she needs to do is change the locks to her own and move in her self or move the people out I suppose if she thorwn them out or got them thrown out she would be arrested, because its not a civil matter then this is so unjust I also suppose if they trash the house she has to pay for it too as landlord insurance doesnt cover for squatters... It should be if you are a squatter an immediate evication is authorised its tresspassing it shouldnt take 8 months to work that out... on another note she doesnt have to pay theelectricity surely she needs to contact them say she doesnt occupy the property and have it turned off and out her name. you dont pay what you dont use regardless who lives there I would have thought...
What a stupid nation we are. We go to war when for example Germany invades Poland, or Sadaam invades Kuwait, but stand back and let toerags invade honest peoples property. It is too late.....we are finished as the nation we once were.
Just smash the door down and go in! You can't be prosecuted for breaking into your own house. They will soon leave if there is no door and you remove the furniture and disable the services. OK, so it will cost you to repair the door, but that's all. If they want to claim you have broken a tenancy agreement then they will have to go to court..... and they won't do that.
Every time I read about these incidents I can't stop laughing. You Brits are... ehh... nevermind... but change the law... what purpose does this law suit? Except from these lowlife invaders who should never have been allowed into your otherwise fine country in the first place! - Finn, of Denmark, 18/1/2012 08:29=========================Don't you think we've tried to Finn? Government lawyers over here will find some way out of changing anything unless it helps them. It they can't find anything, they'll cite someones human rights (but not the owners obviously) are being abused. Personally, I would send the heavies in. As someone else has said if/when you get questioned, you don't know anything about it, you were visiting so and so at the time. Something has to be done before someone is killed and I bet we see that within 12 months, we have had enough. .
AND the rioter said to the Old Baily Judge "What am I doing in the Criminal Court? OK I broke into the shop but I took nuffin so its a Civil matter innit?". Well Mr Plod what about breaking and entering with intent to steal? Criminal Damage? The moment these `burglars` switch on a light, light a gas cooker, or use the property without paying council tax they are guilty of theft.----------- Just me posts:- -""Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26"" Thanks & sorry. I only came to your comments after I had drafted mine . . .
As a landlord I have always said that if this happened to me I would go to the house and start to undertake a few 'essential' repairs such as replacing the doors and windows - let the police arrest me I am sure the following outcry from ENGLISH people would sway someone to do something pronto. Plan B get a load of manure delivered to the doorstep - literally - and start to give the garden makeover or in the case of your property get someone to did up the concrete. Plan C call in some X military friends who have solved this problem in the past. Also you say they broke in through the back door - surely a criminal offence and for that matter so is nicking a shopping trolley - get the supermarket to prosecute. Thoughts and prayers are with you.
I expect most of those people in her house are illegals anyway and need deporting. If it was my house I would have the electricaity disconnected and I would find a few big men to help me get them out!! How dare they come here and do such a thing they have no right they ause upset and distress.
If we are supposed to be a modern society why is it that we cannot respond to blatant law breaking. Im embarrassed to be british right now, sorry, forget the right now part. There has been nothing in the last 10 years that makes me proud. And dont say the olympic, i couldnt give a monkeys about them. The UK is lost.
need to evict and deport them now before that baby drops !! the law is useless , they broke in the door wasnt open its obvious ... the law should be changed with immediate effect , also waving a piece of paper without the real owners name and address , a fake agreement is fraud isn't it ? therefore a criminal offence , i live in walthamsotw and its getting worse , i advise people to have a dead lock fitted this way they have to damage the door to get it open and change the lock therefore evidence of a break in
When did the law change, is breaking and entering no longer an offence, or does this offence only apply to certain people ? Are we to believe that for homeowners the deeds of ownership are worthless, and for council owned properties, anyone can force their way into a home whilst the tenants are out are out, and make use of home contents ? Is this report revealing all true facts ? if so, what is happening to this country, when tax paying citizens are locked out of their own homes, so that wastrels can warm their hands by the fire, as the owners can only peer through the window ? If squatting is to be entered into law as a criminal offence, it is about time too ! How many times must the sitting government be told by the public,that they will not be denied housing, so that some (not all) immigrant families can walk right in and cherry pick ?
Why the hell did Britain even bother fighting Hitler. hereward, copenhagen, denmark, 18/1/2012 7:43 Because Hitler said he would invade britain,murder the intelligentsia and reduce britain to a slave labour camp.That's why we bothered fighting. Unlike Denmark!
These parasites have forced entry into the house with the intention of depriving the owner of the use of her property. They are trespassers, and if they are using the electricity, that is not paid for by themselves, there is a criminal offence of abstracting electricity. It seems that these days the police do very little real police work, they are a disgrace. Mr Cameron or should he be called 'Gunner' as that is what he is always doing, I am gunner do this or that, but nothing gets done. Well he was going to repeal the ancient Squatters Right Laws, although breaking into a property does not allow a person or persons to claim Squatters Rights. They can only enter an insecure, obviously abandoned property to claim the rights. You would see some action from the police, if the property belonged to a celebrity or MP. It is getting to the stage that we will not dare to leave our homes for fear of someone moving in. The influx of immigrants from all over the world beneficial ?
and now they can rent it to visitors for the olympics, and make a few bob, before being thrown out.
Long ago when I was around 10 years old, my newly married cousin arrived home from honeymoon to find squatters in his house. My father,uncles and older cousins (all 6ft +) gathered together to remove them - yes even back then the Police would not do anything about the matter and left the scene. The rear kitchen window was broken and a rather large German shepherd guard dog encouraged to enter, the squatters fled by the front door rather quickly into the arms of my very angry family, job done..................................... What would the chances be of repeating this today and getting away with it I wonder???? the PC brigade would go into overdrive.
This country amazes me in its spinelessness. We kow-tow to all these European Rights laws and liberal ideas, and as such we are overrun by lowlife from other countries. Put our Armed Forces on our borders and stop ALL people coming in!!
If they broke into Buckingham Palace would it be a civil matter ?????????????????
I am so sorry for this woman it is just not fait they are not being exicted for breaking in, at this rate we will all be told to leave doors open in case any tom dick or harry fancy living in our home.
Disgusting. These people have no shame. I hope Mrs Mason can get them kicked out, asap.
The law is an ass, and we are bigger asses for putting up with it.
Only in the UK No other country would tolerate this
Let us all put up a web site advertising all the homes that are vacant that are owned by our esteemed M.Ps and judges and lawyers and local council reps. I think a law change would happen very quickly.
'The salt in the wound is that I even have to pay for the electricity they use while they are in there.Â’=====================Do you? Surely if you inform the electricity, gas and water board that you are no longer living there they will cut the supply? Check the wording thou - YOU are not living there any longer. Failing that, as others have said it would be cheaper to hire a few burly men, wait until the majority of them are out and kick the door in and throw them out. The government know this is going on but do nothing about it. Something has got to be sorted out. And how did the squatters know this property was empty? Somebody has told them. Find the source and deal with them as well. .
It would take less than one afternoon of parliamentary time to make this illegal, but one thing you can be absolutely sure of: this government, for some unknown reason, will continue to ignore it.
Surely if they actually paid £2000 to somebody, then an some kind of fraud/deception offence had been committed. Which should be investigated. And if they made it them selves surely the same applys. This country really is a joke.
There were in fact several laws broken here like breaking and entering, crimminal damage (locks changed), deception (forged tenancy agreement), theft of electricty/gas. Now make the police and benifits agencies work for you Mr Mason. As a landlord you have a right of entry, ensure the police enforce that right every few days, get the utilities to change the meters to pay as you go with police back up to gain entry. Make sure the job centre advises the occupants on how to get their rent paid and ensure you get the money direct from them. Ask the police to positively identify the occupants due to your concerns regarding a possible terror threat.
When are we going to start throwing these people out, not only houses they break into but out of the country? Is it any wonder they come to the UK where they are allowed to do as they wish and trample over the rights of UK citizens?
I thought you could kill anyone entering your home uninvited with criminal intent.
Issue a summons for possession in the local court, and when the order has been granted, send in the bailiffs. It will not cost "thousands of pounds", the main problem will be getting an early hearing date.
Squatters rights serve only one purpose .--- To make money for lawyers . British justice is the laughing stock of the world & will continue until we ban lawyers from being MPs. --- Conflict of interest
Mr and Mrs Mason, GET THE GAS,ELECTIC AND WATER CUTT OFF !!!! See how long they stay in your house then. Good luck.
So breaking and entering is now a civil matter? Let's sack the police they are a waste of space.
Exactly what evidence do the police need to show that a criminal offence has been committed? Surely the police could arrest the squatters on suspicion of breaking and entering or for conspiracy to commit a crime as they will no doubt be in cahoots with the person they pay rent to. When they are all helping the police with their enquiries down at the local nick the house could be mysteriously repossessed by the owners. Let's then see what these scum they could do about this - not a lot in my opinion.
Time to emigrate people! this country is finished, we are a laughing stock. A Danish national points as much out on this forum. I am 41 and things are not going to change in my lifetime. In U.S.A. children are taught respect and seeds are sown early on, pledging allegiance to the flag is not an option for anyone at the beginning of class, here we would be accused of upsetting some minority group and assaulting their human rights. Remember the furore over the Union Jack following the World Cup? This little issue is probably the Governments way of dealing with the housing crisis - invite them in - pay for them - let them take what we have worked for all our lives. Maybe this couple should look to Sharia law to remove the sqatters. It was featured on BBC Breakfast just recently. I have no issues with immigrants as long as they are prepared to adopt our lifestyle and culture and be financially independant, this Government encourages anything but. Foreign medical staff have no English....
A policeman once told me they can't do anything if someone walks into your house, it's only when they steal something that it becomes a criminal matter. He gave the example of should the people switch on the lights, then that would be classed as theft of electricity and the police would be able to act. Perhaps this couple could go down the route?
What are the police turning into in this country? A bunch of spineless jobsworths following stupid rules made up by inept civil servants. Breaking and entering is a criminal offence, not a civil one, so why can't they act? If I were the owner I'd be straight on to the electricity, gas and water suppliers and get them shut off. I begin to despair of this country.
Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify. - Just me, Over here in Essex, 18/1/2012 08:26..........................They drill out the locks, then replace them - when the police arrive there is no damage present so they are powerless to act - welcome to England.
Mr. Cameron, do you realise how many Brownie points you would get if you changed the law and criminalised these actions?
These scum are just burglars who break in and make themselves comfortable. Time to rush a change of law through to deal with these leeches,
Civil matter! I bet if I broke into a Moldovan house and stayed the police would have something to say! What exactly does our governemnt do, except witter on about schools and hospitals 24/7? There are so many reforms needed that would help the British people, but tthen I guess we come at the bottom of the government's pecking order. More foreign aid anyone...
The law disgusts me at times. Have these squatters even been checked out to see if they are here legally? Just disgusting
The law is an ass! So I am not allowed to go into someone's house, steal something and leave, but I AM allowed to go in and live there? In which case, I think I'm off to one of those nice houses in Holland Park.
Will somebody please inform the police that the Government recently made squatting a criminal offence, it is no long just a civil offence.
Whatever happened to trespassing? Even if they didn't actually break in, they are still trespassing! What would happen if squatters got into the house of, for arguments sake, David Cameron?? Would they just accept that it is a civil matter? Doubt it somehow! Its disgusting that they can get away with it. Dirty scroungers!
The police cannot act because it is a 'Civil Matter'? 'What happened to the law of, 'Breaking and Entering'? Is it not against the law any longer to walk up to someones property and smash the lock or break a window to gain entry? This part of the law has been turned into an absolute joke! Bit like the Yuman Rights Act I suppose, a situation where there is only two winners; those carrying out the acts and the legal mafia feeding off their illegal acts! I just wonder some times how the members of the legal mafia would react if it was one of their properties that was being invaded and destroyed?
A Country on a ticking timebomb just waiting for the British public to wake up and smell the coffee. It will be no surprise to see society in civil war with society broken down in the not too distant future - with our so called 'evil' polititions justified!
This is what a country can expect when it has for years voted for such easy going, ill thought out immigration and benefit laws, allied to a 'culture' of rewarding failure and criminality and of further tying hands with the coup de grace of a threat of prosecution for racism. Doubtless the 'heavily pregnant' squatter will soon be in receipt of the full benefits offer funded by taxpayers like the one whose home she invaded. However, the DM has gone over the top with useless adjectives such as 'heart breaking' etc. The decision to sell was what the vendor (who lives in the currently more salubrious area of Epping) doubtless thought was a sound commercial decision beneficial to her and possible because of inherited assets.
Finn of Denmark....you are 100% TOTALLY right, so simple so obvious but all too darn late
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force. ------- Just before the next general election as a "promise" if the Tories get re-elected. Probably that old gem "referendum on leaving the EU" will also rear its head again at the same time.
its your house go to it put the windows,get power and water cut off and make sure the heating oil is cut off it will be cheaper than legal fees
Surely if the Moldovan's broke in through the back door then its a criminal matter? What about this home owners HUMAN RIGHTS? Oh I forgot.... she is British so she has none.
Give them a break !! Their obviously desperate..
You stupid stupid brits. No wonder the world is laughing at you.
this country has become a lawless state where foreigners can do what they like and our spineless government will do nothing to correct this obscenity
Only in the twisted UK could you get away with doing this. Forced entry is burglary and the last time I looked that wasn't a civil matter. Either send in a few heavies to reclaim your property or contact the electric, gas and water and tell them to disconnect the supplies and not to reconnect to anyone other than yourself. Surely that is the way to go
Dont you just love this country ?
If they broke in, it's a crime. Every day that passes there's something else to make me despair at what's happening to this country.
If they had top quality anti-bump locks and a 5 lever mortice locks fitted then this would not happen, most door locks fitted are useless as they can be opened very easily by bumping. Spend some money and get new locks then they cannot get in to replace them when will people learn.
WHAT GIVES THESE EASTERN EUOPEANS THE RIGHT TO BREAK INTO ENGLISH PEOPLES' HOMES. THE GOVERNMENT OF COURSE. THEY DO NOTHING AND HOW CAN IT BE A CIVIL MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE BLATENTLY BROKEN INTO THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS SIMPLY OUTRAGEOUS. THANKS AGAIN BLAIR FOR LETTING THE LIKES OF THESE SCUMBAGS INTO ENGLAND***********************************
I personally would baracade them in, turn off the electricity and gas and see how quickly they want to stay. I am sure they wouldn't last 8 mths.
Ow stories like this make my blood boil beyond belief!!! What have decent home owning people have no rights and yet scum like this have every right under the sun?! GRRRRRRRRRRRR This country is a joke. Squatting should NOT be a civil matter.......you squat you're prosecuted for breaking the law, end of!
Sorry but I thought Moldova wasn't in the EU. In which case why are these people even in the UK? Surely immigration officers should be sent in to detain these people pending removal back from whence they came.
So explain to me what happened a few months back when a woman from the Border Agency found that her house was being squatted in and she got a very fast Court Order and the the Police evicted the squatters next day (DM 17/8/11). It appears to me that there is a 2 tier law depending who you are and where you work.
pay for their electric? id cut the the b....y cable outside & smash the gas meter. how can this NOT be a civil matter? i dont like violence - but, i'm sure there are some out of work bouncers in the area!
They broke in.Thats a criminal offence not civil.Also change the law...thats what government is for!!
It is totally absurd that squatting is only a civil and not a criminal matter. It is high time that it was made a criminal offence. How can taking over someone else's property without their consent NOT be a crime?!
Our law is pathetic in these matters and always has been...Its a disgusting state of affairs when you could just go on holiday for instance and come home to find squatters in your home....Its a shame that this sort of thing doesnt happen to few MP's , judges and others in the legal profession, would be interesting to see how quickly things would change then...They should be forcibly removed straight away,no question...What is wrong with this bloody country no wonder people laugh at us... What mugs we all are
They BROKE in - breaking and entering is a CRIME. They have stolen use of the house, this is THEFT - another CRIME. It's time this stupid 'can't do anything because it is a civil matter' rule was scrapped and the whole kit and kaboodle of these trespassers were loaded on the next boat and shipped out. They are CRIMINALS, pure and simple.
Disgusting scum, I cannot believe the state this country is in. I feel for the homeowner.
What about the criminal offence of abstracting electricity ? Why was no action taken about that ? I would also suggest that changing the locks constitutes a criminal offence of damage. This situation is a joke and I truly feel for the owners. If I were in the same situation I would forcibly evict them myself and look forward to my day in court !
Why are the owners required to pay the electricity for the squatters. Start by going to the electric company and having it turned off, and the water too. Move into the house and make the life of the squatters hell. Loud music, bring in your friends, party all night, trash their furniture and throw out their belongings. Two can play at that game.
Come on government, speed this process up. Its a charter for abuse. Get these freeloaders out and send them back to Moldova. There is something so corrupt about this it stinks!
My advice, forget the court and pay a few skinheads or Hells Angels to clear your house. Otherwise you will endure the HR fiasco and no support from the justice system
We have not been Great Britain for some years now - and it shows. What a shamble - and home owners (worked hard for) and allowed to protect their property. It would have been a different story had it been one of the Government homes/offices. So much for fairness for all in the UK. WHAT A LAUGH - it makes you want to cry!
Dear Lady, Simple, get yourself a lawyer and sue the police under European Human Rights Act, Part II, The First Protocol Article 1, Protection of property: "Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law."
Broke in through the back door?????? So glad i left the UK, i loved it too much to watch it go down the drain.
Charge them with stealing the door locks and if they can produce them, you'll probably find one broken, which would indicate breaking in, not a civil matter.
Why are our MPs not sorting this out - pass the bill NOW! Disgusting.
i would sooner set light to the house than let this rubbish live there and to hell with the consequences who cares about the law in a case like this.
I would have the water , gas and electricy cut off ,that would soon shift them . Why does the law of the land ALWAYS protect the wrong people.
whatever way you look at it , it is wrong !!! civil matter , rubbish , it is theft !!! breaking and entering , an invasion of privacy , any of the fore mentioned they do not own the property , they are tresspassing , tand hey have damaged it firstly by changing the locks !!!
The police are both wrong and utterly useless, First it is reported the squatters FORCED entrance into the house via the rear door that is BURGLARY, A bogus tenancy agreement is FRAUD, Then by refusing to leave PEOPERTY BELONG TO ANOTHER it is TRESPASS, and a BREACH OF THE PEACE. Then they could PREVENT FURTHER OFFENCEs such as criminal damage by simply doing the job they are supposed to. What are the police for if not to protect the public and their property?
Door Mat Britain yet again. Time to take out the trash.
The law is powerless when the property was broken in to, but more than happy to stand up when the victim fights back with their own force! CHANGE THE LAW NOW TO STOP SCUM LIKE THIS RUINING PEOPLES LIVES!
Why do they have to pay for their electricity - i would cut it off
An Englishman's home is his Castle! Yeah right - but only if you are rich enough to afford a Castle. This Country is a Joke - I'm English, but I hate the place.
When will a law be passed to make this a criminal offence? They clearly broke the law by breaking in so why can't they be arrested for that? This squatters right started during the war when people who were bombed out could look for an empty property to live in until they could be rehoused. It's time it was criminalised and quick.
The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know?
Does the ethnicity of the squatters matter?
They broke in, that is a criminal matter. What's gone wrong with our police force? It seems to be staffed with wimps.
Breaking and entering is a crime so why are these people allowed to do this, they are stealing electricity and gas and water another crime why don't the companies involved turn it off , it is such a silly situation, these people have broken the law, arrest and deal with them , if they have got a tenancy agreement then the police should check it all out and they will soon see who has the deeds to this house, job done, kick them out and out of this country backward people. stop mucking around i know the law is the law but if you are giving out tenancy agreements you should also have the deeds and how long would it take to check the land registry records , not long i would presume, if the police want to know something they usually find out stuff pretty quick
Leaving houses empty should be a criminal offence.
Surely this is at the very least trespassing? The police really are a joke.
Breaking and entering is a crime so why are these people allowed to do this, they are stealing electricity and gas and water another crime why don't the companies involved turn it off , it is such a silly situation, these people have broken the law, arrest and deal with them , if they have got a tenancy agreement then the police should check it all out and they will soon see who has the deeds to this house, job done, kick them out and out of this country backward people. stop mucking around i know the law is the law but if you are giving out tenancy agreements you should also have the deeds and how long would it take to check the land registry records , not long i would presume, if the police want to know something they usually find out stuff pretty quick
Interesting that there are plenty of legal specialists to advise and protect these people who 'legally' invade your home and property but nothing to protect the home owner.
Never leave a house empty the way the law stands. Get a friend to housesit if you have to, but never leave it empty, even if you go away on holiday, the risk now is just too great. It seems obvious to me that some criminal types in Eastern Europe have obviously all told each other that there is a loophole in the law in the UK, they produce a forged tenancy agreement and then the police say they can't do anything! Until this loophole is closed, you simply cannot leave a house empty. I'd even be worried about going out to work and leaving it empty, it's getting that bad...
What happened to the law of trespass, criminal damage has been has been committed by breaking down a door, thus trespass. If this is allowed to happen it will 'open door' for all squatters.
Im sure if they broke into a police officers or MPS house they would soon be evicted, the laws an ass.. If the Human Rights squad think its ok to break into someone elses home why dont they have the low lives go live with them, see how they like it.
May be the Police officers who attended need to learn the definition of BURGLARY.. Enters a property with the intension to steal anything therein,, assault any person therein and so on. OR having entered a premises as a trespaser steals any thing therein.. They are using the electricty, water and gas if the have the supply. using water and electricity without payment is theft so therefore the full arrestable offence.. LOCK THEM UP
someone clear this up for me as I do not know how it works - there are no squatters rights in scotland, it is a criminial offence and those who try it will be punished - why is it not like this in england/wales/ireland? who was it that agreed to squatters rights, i don't understand how it was ever legalised?
Breaking in to a property is called burglary,using the gas,electricity and water is called theft. If the police think this is ok,then none of us are safe. Coppers only want jobs that generate fines and keep the paperwork down. They are NOT fit for purpose . Put the police officers addresses on the internet and let these wasters have their homes..We would soon see a change in the definition of squating.
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter?
Once again, time to get tough. Once they are out get them out of the country. If they can invade someone's private home, which has been worked and paid for, they don't deserve to be here at all. No respect, deserves no respect.
I left the East End because of people like this and exactly whose side the law is on
No doubt they are on hundreds a week Benefits, and so you can do nothing when a burglar breaks in?
solution get all the water electric gas turned off,,,,, arrest & deport these feckless people !
Cameron - FIX BRITAIN NOW and stop worrying about airports in the Thames or high speed lines. It is issues like this that Britain needs sorting first.
If they 'broke in' the police could have arrested them all to investigate the resulting criminal damage, during which time Janice Mason would have been able to retake possession of her house. Breaking into a building is not a civil matter! Its high time the law was refocused on the victim NOT the wrong doer.
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
Move back in house with all the hefty noisy people I know. Borrow 3 big dogs, a massive sound system, invites on Facebook, remove all furniture and make their life utter hell. If they broke in that is a criminal offence - the police can be so ineffective it is a joke. They have power of arrest and they need to use it.
What a compete and utter joke this is! WHO MAKES THE RULES UP?? HOW CAN A FOREIGN IMMIGRANT HAVE MORE POWER IN YOUR HOUSE THAN YOU DO?? THE WHOLE COUNTRY NEEDS TO GO TO THE STREETS IN PROTEST ON THINGS LIKE THIS AND THE RISE IN FUEL, GAS, ELECTRIC COST! If every person in the UK refused to go to work or to fuel their car for just 1 week , the country would go bankrupt!
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
ha ha ha ha ha am laughing at the Brits...why? I used to think your law is great...but I can see some loop holes and that's what people use against you people....The DM will keep complaining of squatters and Immigrants but until there is a law...more is coming...I pity the couple...worse do these squatters work? why does this couple have to pay electricity and water for them...its really sad
Break in = crime. Is that waht the squatters did? The maths is simple then. Coppers + truncheons = empty house.
When my son was in his teens, he and some friends entered an abandoned (condemned) empty building and 'squatted' - the door was already broken in. The police came in riot gear, they was led off in handcuffs, held overnight in a cell and charged with the theft of electricity. Quite right too. Now had they been Moldovan...........
They have stolen someone's property! - It should be a police matter.
This is a disgrace, Check out the Epetition on the HM Governement website "squatters in a property", sign it and lets try and get this ridiculous law changed!!!
Charge them with breaking and entering and criminal damage to property (they have changed the locks), theft (where are the original locks) obtaining goods by deception (bogus rent agreement) and anything else that can be thought of. Otherwise these people will be down the benefits office on Monday.
Why doesn't a group of people squat in Cameron's house or the Queen's?
If someone tried that in my house they would be out sharpish and blow the consequences
I thought that dozy Dave was going to stop all this. Politicians are useless!!
It is about time the people of England demanded a change in tne law. Perhaps you would be better off under Scots law as here squatting is illegal.
Sorry, but I would have to take the law into my own hands.Fine if i go to jail,but I'v got my house back.Who the hell do they think they are.Try doing this to them.Low life scum.Send the whole lot back.
Since when was breaking and entering a civil matter????
Just what are the police doing? Moldova is not a member of the EU, so there is no reason why the police should not harass them to see if they are working (lets face it, we all know they are begging), and the mere possession of the shopping trolley renders the person pushing it to being questioned about theft of a shopping trolley. Its fairly obvious that the police simply can't be interested and would rather spend time manning speed cameras to 'crack down on crime'.
The law on this will be changed as quick as a flash, the second squatters move into an MP's second home........
"The squatters were seen using a shopping trolley to help move in mattresses, folding chairs and a table" At the very least the police could have charged them with stealing a shopping trolley. Nobody buys a shopping trolley which remains in the ownership of whatever supermarket it was taken from. It isn't that the police CAN'T act, it is simply the case they choose not to do so. You can bet that if I walk into my neighbour's home while he is out and then waive a forged 'tenancy agreement' in his face when he returns home, the police would take action!
I bet if it was a council owned property they would be out quick as a flash..............................
WHERE'S THE EXIT????? - I WANNA GET OUT OF THIS NIGHTMARE THAT IS FORMERLY 'GREAT BRITAIN'!!!!!!!!
This country is an absolute joke, these people should be forced out of the propert ASAP.
Steal someone's house and the police can't touch you. Break an American law in the UK and face extradition......
They seem to be keeping the place neat and tidy, dont see what the fuss is about.
Still don't get this British Law and have commented as such everytime I see a story about squatters. I have a home, I say who stays in it and who doesnt, I didn't sign an agreement with people so I have the right to have them booted out...isnt this case that simple?? Or am I missing something??
So, If I were to break into a car, and change the locks, that woudl be perfectly legal, and would be a civil matter? If I were to nick your wallet, and put my ID in there, that woudl be a civil matter? it all amounts to the same thing. It is theft at the most, fraud at the least. This is a criminal matter, regardless of what the law says. Once again the law (not police, but the law of the 'land (what a joke that is)) is on the side of the criminals.
I would call the gas and electricity company and have the amenities shut off. They are not their tennants, they are not family. Just stop paying!!
In the above case, you'd think there'd be several issues which should bring about a speedy resolution. They had a buyer, a legal process demonstrating good faith. The Moldovans have a "document" validating their tenancy (easily obtained) from someone nobody can find. Hardly. How could they pay their rent? In any case, £2000 would hardly pay for more than about three month's rent, so that should put a time limit on it if the onus is on the "tenants" to produce the landlord + contract etc. And how about awarding legal costs (including their legal aid) against the squatters when they're evicted - which they always are after a long and costly process? They won't pay, of course, but it'd put off their legal representatives since it's a civil matter. If it's a council / housing assoc./developer property left to rot for years, then frankly I think the law should favour the squatters - there should be no excuse for this. No point just bleating about stealing, though.
Someone steals your home and that's not illegal. The laws of this country are totally insane.
If this is the law then the law is an ass. This law must be reviewed and changed to protect people like this. Why is our so called justice system more concerned with vermin's rights than ordinatry law abiding people?
They all claiming benefit too..... oh yes, probably as its against their human rights to not.
Do you hear that..................it's the world laughing at us.
if i was the Masons i would cut the electricity off, surely if they have a tenant agreement which is proberbly false that they should be paying the electric. Cut it all of Mr and Mrs Mason. The government needs to sort this out once and for all as it is happening to many times to hard working Brits.
Sounds like breaking and entering if there is forced entry. Police would rather do nothing because they are rubbish. Squatting should be outlawed, its an old law that gives people a right over property they do not own. Theft is another word for it. No doubt they will now claim all the benefits under the planet and stay until evicted in about 2 years. Poor sod.
Can't believe that all you need is a false agreement in your hand, and you can then bust into anyone's house and occupy it, for free for eight months. Can't be right, surly if the squatters can't prove the worth of the lease with the owner, then the police should return the property to the owner.
For God's sake Dave, get this sorted, we are fed up to the back teeth of these free-loading squatters. Maybe a few need to get into No 10, that would get some ACTION !!!!!
If it had been one of Blair's houses the law would have been round in a flash to throw them out.
The law, in this case, is an ass! What happened to an Englishman's home being his castle? Why can't these people be evicted easily? Could the gas/electricity not be cut off? I would be tempted to fight like with like, break down the door and send the heavies in to turf them out! It's disgusting that this type of scum are protected by the law!
I would be in there with a hired gang of thugs...removal time.. balaclava on heads, no words...just a baseball bat and an evil smirk...lot cheaper in the long run.. And when the police turn up, a new set of squaters are in there...YOU..!
Please explain to me what the difference between a burglar and a squatter are.
are these cases for real ? surely if these people are stealing houses,they should be immediately deported , this also includes the woman who is selling the big issue,who has no work and no home who has entered the country, can anyone in government clarify this is being done ? If they are real cases then i fear we will soon have outright anarchy in this country. How can they ask us to cut back and work an extra year to boot for our pensions,if these things are being allowed.
Civil matter be dammed, they broke in. In my eyes as a wife of a retired police officer, if the Moldovian family had to break in - it's criminal damage, so therefore it is not a a civil matter but a criminal matter. I suggest The Masons get themselves not only legal representation but governmental - MP's need to get their selves behind genuine legal abiding citizens The Police also need to stop hiding behind Squatter's Rights and do their jobs, arrest them and clear them off the premises.. I'm sure there must be support for The Masons within the community - let them speak and get suppor for Mr & Mrs Mason.
What do you mean its a civil matter? They illegally broke into a locked house thats a criminal matter," breaking and entering" for the Police to deal with and arrest them or throw them out. . Whats wrong with this country? Its run by imbeciles.
Isn't our country, and everything in it, nothing but a complete total and utter mess? God help us.
One day a home owner will take the law into their own hands and evict such people with the help of a few strong men. It'll happen sooner or later so its better a new law is passed before someone gets hurt.
Every time I read about these incidents I can't stop laughing. You Brits are... ehh... nevermind... but change the law... what purpose does this law suit? Except from these lowlife invaders who should never have been allowed into your otherwise fine country in the first place!
hate this country, whats going on how can the law not help, lets all go and move into buckingham palace,
When you break into someone's house, it's a civil matter??
Civil matter?! I wonder what would happen if these nice people sent some friends round to remove them? Get arrested probably!!! What a joke!
it could only be breaking and entering if it could proven. In this case, they've replaced the locks and I bet there is no damage to the doors/frames.
At the very least the police should have arrested the squatters for the theft of the shopping trolley!
Please correct me if I am wrong but it says in the article that they broke in through the back door. Squatting is a civil matter if the squatters walked in through an open door or had a key somehow, but if they broke a window or forced a lock then that is breaking and entering and prosecutable under criminal law. Could someone please clarify.
I wouldn't bother with the police or the justice system they wonÂ’t help. Get a few of the lads rounds oik the squatters out and stay there until you make the sale. May not be legal but I guarantee it will work and if the law doesn't like it TOUGH. When they try and prosecute you all you have to remember is YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS and the people who kicked them out,well they were just people you met in the pub No names No pack drill
And whats the betting that when they do eventually take repossession of the property it has been damaged and like a pigstye. And unlike a paying tenant will not be made to pay for it. a Sorry, I would have the electricity and gas cut off. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. I have every sympathy for Mrs. Mason. Why on earth are the government dragging their heels over the issue of squatters. Like everything else in this country it takes months and sometimes years to right an injustice.
the British law that protects these squatters is so bizarre... so outrageous... so infuriating! It makes me upset! I don't comprehend it!!!
I'm afraid if the police won't help then matters need taking in hand. Never mind how you do it. You only need to impress how you feel to the man in charge. Tactfully, passively, explain consequences if they refuse to leave. Then just get on with it. Even if it costs you - it will save you eight months loss of income and expenses that these squatters incur. And don't hang about!
I'd go to plan 'B' if the law did nothing to evict them..I'll let you hazard a guess as to what that would be..!!
They BROKE in via the back door that is a criminal offence. The, I do not want to get involved police, should deal with ejecting these criminals.
Lots of sites telling you how to squat - here's one. Note the law in Scotland is different, as usual. http://www.urban75.com/Action/squat.html It makes one rather nervous about leaving the house even to go on holiday, but I think the property may have to be empty, surely? The website above seems to encourage people to be "good" sqatters - immediately repair any damage from previous occupants, suggest to owners that you are" security" etc. The problem is that we have so many empty houses - many owned by councils etc., which won't pay up to put them in order for tenants, or where landlords are waiting for a better house market to sell. It's hard to see how to frame a law which would protect owners of temporarily unoccupied property whilst discouraging the accumulation by some of much-needed housing resources for speculative purposes. I think immediately changing the locks, which they all do, could legally be regarded of proof of non-authorised occupationin all cases.
This is a crime in Scotland. What is wrong with the English legal system that they allow squatters to get away with this?
Turn off the heating and electricity!! That will get them out!! This squatting nonsense makes me so angry. Why are we such a country of push overs??! This is breaking and entering!!
it is almost like the police endorse this sort of behaviour Where are our human rights???? Maybe we should take this to the European courts
So breaking and entering is not a crime but a civil matter! whether they are squatters or not they still broke in and it is a crime for the police to sort out. Instead of laying off another 4500 military I see a few worthless police officers that we could lay off.
So if I break into a house and stay there it is regarded by the police as a civil matter, but if I run off it's a criminal matter? And that if my car is stolen and re-registered by a criminal it can also regarded as a civil matter? I think it is high time that the police in the UK are investigated as to why they pick and choose what they regard as civil as opposed to criminal acts.
If someone did this in MY house and the police refused to do anything about it I would gain entry and throw these scumbags out!! If they're not breaking the law by breaking in and living in MY house surely I wouldn't be by evicting these crimials?!!
Bloody stupid, my blood boils!
Nice to know one's Country stands up for you in times of crisis.
I'd rather burn my house to the ground than let these people stay there! How frustrating for the couple.
Well Clarke, and the Coalition, sort ya self out listen to the people that may keep you there in the next election.. pull ya fingers out WE are NOT HAPPY
I know what I would do in this situation. They are the one's committing the offence.
When scum like this are told what they can get away with in the UK by their loathsome legal advisers they must shake their heads in utter amazement at our stupidity. How much longer ?
Beautiful house, I hope the owner gets it back in the condition it was in prior to the squatters moving in - but I doubt it.
WTH?! Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace! - PJ , Friday Harbor WA, 18/1/2012 01:27 No not the whole of the UK. The law is different in Scotland, where it is considered a criminal matter, so the police can remove "squatters" immediately. The law in England and Wales really does need to be amended to prevent this type of situation.
So breaking and entering is now a civil matter??? Who on earth came up with laws to protect squatters?
A similar thing used to happen in the inner city areas of Johannesburg; gangs would occupy buildings and the police would stand by and do nothing. But the law changed and now these criminals are charged with theft and trespass. It has put a stop to illegal an opportunistic occupations. What these people are doing is theft, and therefore a criminal matter.
Moldova is not a member of the EU. How do these people get visas to stay in the UK. I don't understand how the taxpayer can fund all this . The system Must be at breaking point.
Isn't breaking and entering a crime?
How can it be a civil matter these scumbags BROKE in through the back door, this country has gone crazy, break in yourself and kick them out
Beyond belief, working,paying your taxes and abiding by the law mean nothing nowadays. There are a lot of laws that have to be changed and quickly. The policitians and judiciary are so far removed from reality it isn't funny. I blame Tony Blair for his Human Rights policies. He's sitting pretty, but what about everyone else
Ken Clarke has a nice house-get my drift?
And these scum are the future of Britain. God help us all!
NO!!! If they broke in they can be prosecuted.
If I were to so much as nick that shopping trolley i'd probably cop for it, yet these people get away with breaking and entering while the police look the other way!!! As for the government, for what good the last election's done, we may as well just have left Labour to finish what they started. My heart goes out to Mr and Mrs Mason.
Why is the Owner not contacting the Utility companies and having the water, gas and electricity disconnected? Or am I missing something?
If they took the law into their own hands, the police would be round there so fast. It seems in this country that you have to just lay down and let them walk all over you.Why cannot those pathetic MPs make it so that when a theif breaks into your house, steals your space, electric,water, amenities, they can remove them. A property like that to rent in Walthamstow would be about £900-£1,000 a month. Make them pay that in rent.
Broke in through the back door? That means criminal damage, no matter if it is repaired. Then unlawful abstraction of electricity. 2 criminal offences then. You could argue that changing the locks is theft of the original locks. That means the adults can all be arrested on suspicion of those offences, then the kids would have to be taken into care. That leaves the house empty so the owners can go back in and clear it.
Gt britain R.I.P.
How can it be a civil matter when they broke in and have taken possession of someone else's property !
To William - a revolution can only come in the ballot box. If people stopped voting for the three main then things would change. voting UKIP next time.
So this is not a criminal offense? Well I would have thought that the moment they switch on anything electrical or run a tap then, because the rightful owner is paying the bills, they are guilty of theft & the police should take the appropriate action
God! The lot that organised these laws would have let the Germans in in 1939, believing they had "squatters rights" as well! Time to change the law? That was years ago!
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point. - Dan Miller, Rip of Britain, 18/1/2012 01:24 YES AND WE'RE AT IT !!
I am sick to the back teeth of reading and hearing about incidents like this. We are the most tolerant country in the world but these parasites and thousands like them really are taking us for dummies, We are a laughing stock, Dustbin of the world. For Christs sake Cameron get this country sorted because I can honestly say that the ways things are going sometime in the near future neither Conservative, Labour or Lib Dems will get in power. The main three parties have had their chance and screwed up.Watch this space!.
If the minister has the minimum intelligence required to make it criminal to squatter, they must bring the law into force immediately. The police in the UK should be there protecting home owners.
Get the electric switched off.
Hang on a minute, what the hell happened to illegal entry, breaking and entering and the trespass laws? or is that not P.C.?
Where in the EU or the Commonwealth is Moldovia? How are these people allowed to stay in this country? If they were Brits in Moldovia, the local police would have not have second thoughts about smacking a few heads and deporting them. There again they would more likely take a bribe.
Mrs. Mason has to "tpay for the electricity they use while they are in there.Â’? Stop paying and ask the company to cut the supply off!!! That might shift these low lifes on.
Oh! I know now what to do! I'll go to UK and viola! I have a new home! sweet! Not!
I never cease to be amazed at how much cr*p the great British public are prepared to take. I guess I should be proud of us?
Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter.........What a pathetic state of affairs, surely they were breaking and entering? Get your a**s in gear Cameron and do something for the UK people. This law could be changed in weeks, what's the reason for not changing it, for the life of me I can't see one.
"the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door". Surely that's case closed? Breaking and entering, pure and simple. Where in the world do you have to go to get justice?
So they broke in? Isn't that breaking and entering? The police in this country are completely and utterly useless, and the so called justice system run by that buffoon Ken Clarke is like something out of a cartoon sketch. When will we get a leader in no 10 who will stand up for hard working families rather than dither and suck up to human rights rabble.
Just throw this worthless pack or tripe onto the street..They have no right entry..Moldovia is NOT part of the EUSSR...they are illegal immigrants...Oh..and I always thought that breaking a locked door to gain access to a property was burglary..It would appear not to be a crime anymore..according to our increasingly useless police farce..or Keystone Cops to give them their correct title...I feel sure though,that had this house belonged to one of our elected MPs or pantomime dame..those self same Moldovan criminals would have been thrown out of the peoperty double quick time..and charged with a freshly discovered crime of burglary ..By the way..all you burglars can now break into home with complete impunity..If the Keystone Cops come along..just tell them you are squatting..it seems then you can come and go as you please...Just remember all of this at the next election..Your MPs have consigned you to second class subjects..NOT citizens..
This is ridiculous, I think I would have to take the law into my own hands if this ever happened to us and fight the consequences all the way.
The joys of being in the EU.
I always thought breaking and entering was a crime. Does this mean that any burglar caught inside a property can claim he's squatting and the police won't do anything? Ridiculous!!
Come on everyone, booo hooo, let's be collectively upset then go about our business and forget about it. After all, it's not happening to us.
And we wonder why so many children are growing up with no respect - when the law does nt even respect us and our property. It s a disgrace and makes us a laughing stock and easy touch for these criminals I suppose the poor woman has to respect their human rights!!!! How come only GB has these ridiculous laws - was nt it Mrs Blair who oversaw and passed a lot of these??? wonder how she d feel if happened in one of her many homes!!!!.
If this "Sharon Wright" has no legal entitlement to the property how can a "Tenancy Agreement" signed by her have any legality? There is fraud involved here which is NOT a civil matter. AND the squatters actually committed the offence of "Breaking & Entering" when they forced the back door. Are the Police useless, or what?
Typical that the governing parties had 13 years to "think" about a policy. Now the arch clown Clarke is proposing something. I await the consultative green paper followed by a Royal Commission followed by a Lords refusal and the Parliamentary Session ending with absolutely bugger all being done. And politicians wonder why they are held in contempt by the public.
I understand the law is an ass and it may be a civil matter - but why are they liable for the electricity bills? Crazy situation all round - just mental.
Time this law is changed. People work hard for their homes - note the word 'their' homes - therefore NOT the home of anybody else whether they are living in it or not. Look at them, sitting in the lounge with the telly on!!!!!! What a f***ing liberty as Nan Taylor would say. Get the power, water etc turned off. Haven't they heard that as they are foreign they would get housing, etc courtesy of the british tax payer?
Cameron promised laws on squatting- not delivered. Laws on wheel clamping- not delivered. Action on the Human Roghts Act- not delivered. Action on immigration- not delivred. Action on....... well you get the picture. Action- now- please.
Only in this pathetically unbalanced UK society can this happen. I know I wouldnt call the police,I would get a 'few good men' and sort them out myself-there are ways and means to get rid of parasites like this. Ten months to get them out??Just gives them more time to find another briefly empty place..to strip and ruin.
They broke in! Throw them out! Then, throw them out of the country! Why the hell did Britain even bother fighting Hitler when stupid non-laws like this exist and weak politicians won't pull their fingers out and FIX IT??!!!
They broke in and entered, these are not squatters they are burglars. Get your electric disconnected and then get some of your friends and family to break in to YOUR home and take it back. It is YOUR castle, not theirs. Kick them out and then let them take you to court.
Dont forget folks its their yuman rites to occupy this empty property in order to keep their family together. Being foreign of course. Where I used to live the locals would get together and throw this lot out of the house and dump them miles away. Its taking the law into ones own hands but I think we are getting to the stage where the law is no longer protecting law abiding persons. So we have to do it ourselves. Its a lot more efficient that way.
About time the law was changed to stop this being a civil matter and tell me has that "tenancy agreement" been taken into the benefits office to claim housing benefit? Enough is enough!
They broke in!!! remove them - send them back and show soem bloody backbone! Can you imagine what would happen if British people did this in Moldova...for goodness sake we have to change the law to protect innocent people.
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point. - Dan Miller, Rip of Britain, 18/01/2012 01:24 You are so right mate!!! This stuff carries on without the government doing something about it and things are going to get ugly!!!!
As a suggestion for anyone in the same position as the couple above - get a house sitter in until the property is sold- there are websites for responsible housesitters that come with references. DO NOT leave your property unoccupied during this period, by that I mean not lived in. House-sitters will look after the house and also are responsible for paying their own utility bills and based on the fact it can take at least 3 months for a sale to complete it is a mutually beneficial arrangement and keeps squatters out!
We need to stop these rats coming in the country in the first place!!! Keep them out!!
As soon as we re-name this breaking and entering which is exactly what it is, they are not squatters, they have entered someones property illegally and our police should have the power to arrest and charge everyone of them and our judges should have the power to deport them and our government should grow a pair and sort this out now.
"Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace!" - PJ , Friday Harbor WA....In law, the police are absolutely correct - they are powerless in these circumstances thanks to the bright sparks in Parliament who decided that squatters should have rights. If the police forcibly eject them without a Court Order, they could sue the police for assault and claim thousands in compensation from the taxpayer. Re Buckingham Palace - firstly, they are never actually "unoccupied" and so there are no squatters rights; secondly I believe there is specific legislation covering Royal palaces.
If the Masons still officially own the house can they not cut off the electricity and gas supply?? Even the water?? Mr Cameron, something needs to be done about these ridiculous laws
Seemples--superglue the locks shut--end of occupation!
"You may be surprised to learn that squatting isn’t illegal in England and Wales. If someone gains entrance to a vacant property they don’t own without ‘breaking in’ and then decide to stay, then only a court order can get them out. Squatters cannot be forced out of a property without one. Also, until they have a court order, owners can’t force their way in while squatters are inside. In the meantime squatters can put their own locks on doors, have electricity, gas and water supplies connected and receive post. In England, the term squatting usually refers to occupying an empty house in a city. The owner of the house must go through various legal proceedings before evicting squatters. The process of eviction can take a month or longer, depending on circumstance. In order to occupy a house legally, a squatter must have exclusive access to that property, that is, be able to open and lock an entrance" The article says these people BROKE in via the back door so thus committed a crime!!!!
Also ask the police to positively identify the occupiers and check any vehicles they are driving for tax and insurance on the basis you "fear they may be a terror threat". If they refuse to provide ID on that basis the police can arrest them until they do. The vehicles of course can be siezed if uninsured, if insured find a way to notify the insurers that the owner is illegally occupying the property they must legally use to insure the vehicle if they are living there hence invalidating it and again allowing the police to sieze the vehicle. Make the police work for you.
as always plod will find a reason to do nothing.. wash their hands of it and walk away. plod you disgust me...............
You Brits are now so weak and pathetic!
I am sorry, but BREAKING into a property is certainly a crime and these parasites should be arrested.
I would personally get the services cut off to the property, by whatever means possible even if it meant physically breaking cables/pipes, thus meaning no water or electricity.. Then I would find very creative ways of making life extremely unpleasant, even if it involved a farmer, tractor and a ton or two of slurry. Why do we as tax paying English decent people put up with this. Why should this poor couple be subjected to this. I feel nothing but despair at the way this country is run. If I decided to take up residence in 10 Downing Street, would it be a civil matter? No I don't think so.
Can a spokesperson from the MET inform us how breaking and entering with witnesses is a civil matter?
This is disgusting and laws need to be brought in immediately to give police the power to remove them. Why do the owners have to pay for the electricity???
"Police said they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter" ------------- How can 'breaking and entering' be acivil matter? What is the difference between 'breaking and entering to steal ITEMS' and breaking and entering to steal a HOME'??????
Beats me why it is a legal matter and not criminal! These Moldavians (Moldavia is next to Romania) broke into the house and changed the locks. There should immediately be a move by Council / Police to remove these people and arrest the adults who broke in. Then deport them... is Moldavia part of the EU?
If they broke in , it has to be a criminal offence - sounds like a typical police cop out . Does anyone in Britain have any respect for the police ?
The Government could sort this problem out in 5 minutes by changing the law. If this happened at number 10 Downing Street then watch how fast it would be sorted out. Will the occupiers benefits be used to pay the rent to the invisible landlord ? No doubt they will pocket that as well.....Disgusting
Why does the owner have to pay fopr the utilities being used, surely thyey can have it cut off. Cut off the electricity and smash the glass in the windows, make it as uncomfortable for the thieving sqatters as possible. A few pounds replacing glass will be cheaper than the court process. It is about time that this was made a criminal offence, how the police cannot find some crime to charge them with is beyond me.
The "tenancy agreement" is obviously fake, force has been used to gain entry, damage has been done ie changing the locks. The police should have provided support for a locksmith to re-secure the property with these people on the outside immediately. They managed to send "teams of officers and a helicopter" to arrest a bloke who'd already left Kate Bush's mansion and deported him straight away, why not some help here? The owners do not have to pay the utilities either, arrange for pre-pay meters to be fitted, the police are obliged to assist the companies gain entry, then arrange with the job centre that any rent payable for this property from the occupants benefits gets to you. Visit your property every few days regularly as a landlord you have rights of access, every time you attend make sure the police do too for your protection as "you fear for your safety". The police will soon get fed up of doing their job and assisting a taxpayer and hopefully wish they'd manned up before.
What the blazes am I reading here?! Unless proven otherwise, they broke into the property. The owners clearly did not offer any tenacy agreement to anyone as they were in the process of selling. How is it that the squatters can move in with ease, no police action (which just absolutely bewilders me), and yet the action needed to remove them will take ages and take good earned money to throw at the courts?!?! That's an injustice. Squatters' rights?! Squatters should have no damn rights, they take over other peoples' properties and as far as I can remember, that's theft. The owners must be absolutely livid, because I am and it's not my property. It's crazy, absolutely crazy, and so wrong it just sickens my heart about England.
Whilst the Masons have my sympathy, it's not quite in the same league as, for instance, coming back off holiday and finding squatters in your own home. I don't know when breaking and entering became a civil, not a criminal offence? What does the state of its occupancy matter? Someone owned it and was presumably paying tax, rates and insurance on it. If one of my contracts took me abroad for 2 years and I left the house empty, does that make it a legitimate target for the country's dross to take over? Perhaps if I shot someone inside an empty property, I could make an argument that this was also a civil offence.
Instead of thousands on legal fees, pay a hundred quid & fumigate the place - get rid of ALL the vermin! Madness when breaking into a private home (or any property for that matter) is NOT considered a crime!
What a pathetic state of affairs the once Great Britian has become..I am British and proud of it even though I live abroad, but I just can't stand what Britian has become...
I love the comments ' police unable to act as its a civil matter' . Now if you were to punch their living daylights out for damaging your property then I bet the police would not find that a civil matter! I also have to ask the question 'Moldovans'? Why are they squatters in this country ? They are not part of the EU. If they can't afford to rent legally, am I wrong to assume that they may be illegal here and therefore it does become a legal matter? Just wondering out loud .....
I thought if it was a break in the police could act, or has the law changed again, or don't the police know the law.
Why not just arrest the whole family on suspicion of theft of supermarket trolley shown in the picture, or suspicion of burglary, or suspicion of criminal damage to the front door. Sure this rubbish will sue the police, but at least this lady will have her property back and for a change the police will be protecting the law biding public and not the criminal. Sometimes I feel that our special service personnel wasted their time protecting us from the Germans and the Soviet block over the last 100 years !!!!!
So what about new law which grants the owners, a right to use reasonable force to protect their property? I would get five hefty male relatives to break in and kick out those Moldovan squatters, safe guard the house and change the locks again. That would be my idea of reasonable force to protect my property! Surely it is NOT a crime to brake into your own property, when you have bonafide evidence of ownership. The squatters are hardly going to take their so-called tenancy agreement to the police, for the police will (or should) discover the document is fraudulent
Would it still be "a civil matter" if they burnt their own property to the ground? It is a detached house so they would not affect next door! If I was in this situation, it is something that I would seriously consider, after warning the squatters first, of course.
If these people got into the house by breaking in through the back door then my understanding is that this is burglary !!!!!!!!!! They should be thrown out of the house and then deported immediately.
Get out the country is finished. Cameron talks about his sex life whilst the country burns.
Would the police be so understanding if it was camerons house??
im feel sorry for the owner...but i keep tell to myself....why it all happent in UK....and NOT to the rest of EU..if it happent in Italy...(IF),we don't need the police to tell them to leave...you can figure youself out....
This is Breaking and Entering in the first instant!! So how come the police cannot do anything about it. The 'breaking in' is a criminal offence,so they should arrest them all. This is traversity of British justice. Why hasn't this been addressed by this government, they promised that they would.
If they broke in then a crime has been committed, plain and simple, the police have just relinquished their Duty of Care and shrugged off their responsibility.
Smash every window in your house (No one wants to live in a cold house), it will cost a lot less to repair then the legal bill to get them out!
Steal a car and the police can act; steal a house and 'it's a civil matter'! These people should be charged with breaking and entering, and sent back to their country of origin!
The police have lost the streets, if they wanted to they could get them out no problem, arrest for criminal damage , burglary, stealing electricity anything etc but never back the British against foreigners in fear of being labelled racists. No wonder some people sort out things like this themselves, but once the police are called you've no chance.
This is happening all too often and it's time the Police were given the powers and authority to do something about it. At the moment the Police can do little or nothing and it's an absolute disgrace that people can break in to a person's home and live there. It's stealing, nothing less. It's a CRIME so why can't the Police be allowed to act and chuck them out on their rear ends. Oh no, human rights etc will complain ! Who cares? Get this load of criminals out. It could VERY easily happen to you or I when we popped out to the shops, or to work or to walk the dog etc. We come home and strangers have moved in. WHAT? How dare the government allow this to continue. Are you listening Cammy? GIVE THE POLICE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THEM AND THEN CHARGE THEM WITH THE CRIME. This weak PM promised so much and has delivered NOTHING. He's ok and his house will be guarded 24/7 so nobody will ever break in to his home. It's very much a case of "I'm all right Jack" so he doesn't care.
This is ridiculous, not only have they broken it to this ladies house, but the police are powerless to do anything! If the lady has to pay for the electric I say cut it off along with the water! Why should she also have to pay huge legal fees to get people out of HER house!!!!??? What is happening to this country!
Stop paying the utility bills!!!
What do you suspect this Moldovan family contributes to British society? I struggle to understand why the Police don't storm in there and drag this freeloaders out of there. What message are we sending out here? Come to England, break in to any house you deem appropriate, claim squatters rights, make yourself comfortable, and sign on the dole the next day. What a wonderful country, Tell all your friends.
they broke in that and they are living in some ones house I call that steeling they are steeling the property in my eye I think the law needs changing on this as this is getting beyond a joke!
Its simple, the powers that be are quite happy for this to happen. Do you think that this could be a mistake, for all these years that this has been happening? That government after government can't grasp the nettle? No, Labour and Conservative, Lib Dems too, don't give a monkey's about us. It is the rulers and the ruled, every other division is illusory.
This really is a shameful example of how low Britain has sunk. How can the police say this is a 'civil matter' and leave it at that? Why can they not arrest these burglars for breaking and entering? It's not like they would appeal, and even if they did they would surely lose. The Police are now far too concerned with doing everything right down to the very letter of the law; but, unfortunately, the law is a complete ass. These people should have been physically slung out by the Police right on the spot, yet they'd rather stand back and not get involved, causing this innocent couple months of distress and thousands of pounds. How can that be right? Who are they meant to turn to in situations like this if not the Police? I swear such a farcical and shameful situation could only possibly happen in modern-day Britain; no other country's police force would act so feebly.
You steal a car and it's a criminal offence, you steal a TV during a riot and it's 4 years inside, you steal a house and it's a civil matter up for negotiation ? Come on parliament sort this nonsense out !
Since when has breaking and entering been a civil matter? If the door had been left open that's one thing, but if it's been broke in it changes the circumstances completely. Not only should she be able to get rid of the squatters, but she should equally be able to sue the police for not doing their duty.
At least do them for stealing the supermarket trolley
I had to google Moldova to see where it was. How the hell did they get into Britain?
Just how is this not illegal? How?? They've stolen their house pure and simple yet it is not a police matter? Wake up MPs and change the laws!
I wouldn't put up with that rubbish. Imagine if it was an MP's home that this had happened in. Absolutely outrageous and it's high time that this and similar scams were nipped in the bud by changing the relevant laws. I am sorry that England has become the joke that it has due to outdated laws and a benefit system that encourage con artists from all over the world.
I wouldn't put up with that rubbish. Imagine if it was an MP's home that this had happened in. Absolutely outrageous and it's high time that this and similar scams were nipped in the bud by changing the relevant laws. I am sorry that England has become the joke that it has due to outdated laws and a benefit system that encourage con artists from all over the world.
Then for goodness sake make it a police matter..Why is it when it comes to protecting the innocent changing the law always takes years to implement. Why is nothing ever done ?
Blame the man who has power and sits on his backside with it and next time vote better!!!
The law needs changing now. Let's get squatters into MP's 2nd and 3rd homes and see what happens.
If it was my house, that lot would be forcibly removed by me and other members of my family, as I would do to any other person or persons trespassing on or inside MY property. Endof.
How they can say it is a civil matter, when they occupy a house which is legally owned by someone else?! - especially when they broke in and the locks have been changed? Surely there must be some legal right for damage to a property with the lock changes etc? That means, any burglar you encounter in your home, could just set up camp, say he's signed a tenancy agreement, and refuse to leave!
So, a burglar can break into your home, but the police will do nothing if he claims to be a squatter? What if you return home as they are breaking in and forcibly eject them ? I bet our wonderful UK police would arrest you, the householder. Absolutely bonkers!
a change in the law is needed and very fast
If you have to pay the electricity as you say, why not close the electricity account? I believe that can be done externally. And anything else you can cut off, do.
Drag the Moldovian Consul over there to tell HIS people to get the hell out of there. If they don't listen, send HIM the legal bills
English squatters will be furious.........why are EU squatters given preference over them
For heavens sake! Isn't breaking and entering an offence already? Why can't the police act on a statement from the owner and just arrest everybody in the house? Ken Clarke should get a move on with whatever change is needed in the law. Honest houseowners need protection from this cynical abuse - or is it only criminals who have 'Human Rights'?
Good old UK must be the laughing stock of the world. Would any other country allow this or would they have the sense to put them on the next plane back whence they came at their country's expense.How on earth do all these people actually get into the country with no means to support themselves? Next thing will be the baby born in UK and the lifelong support system for all of them. I suppose the Goverment, like the last one, are incapable of dealing with this without getting a five year study from some Lord and Consultancy company. Mind you,it's about 10 years too late to stop the rot and the cost!!
In Germany, the police would be in like a shot and marching them off to the police station within minutes. I checked this with a lawyer friend of mine. This would simply not be permitted in Germany and, I suspect, in many other countries either. I cannot for the life of me understand why the British parliament doesn't immediately change this law.
Theft of the shopping trolly worth maybe £200 is a crime before taking into consideration criminal breaking and entering so what are the police playing at? Perhaps get the supermarket to prosecute as corporations appear to have more legal clout than the individual these days.
Thought this useless government was going to stop this . They have to have broken in . This countries laws are stupid . Throw the scroungers out . Send them back to where ever they have come from .
don't you just luv this country....
This is a sick loophole in what they call the law. Not possible in Finland. Disgusting!
In what sort of country is breaking into someone's home and taking-up residence not a crime???? Only the English would put up with this.
And the police say that it's a "civil" matter.......................... What a load of cobblers......
This makes me so angry, if someone takes my car without my permission, the law is willing/able to intervene. Yet here someone enters property and the owner does not want them there and the legal system which is suppossed to protect the lawabiding citizen, stands by and does nothing. It is time that the bunch of wasters in Parliament start to deal with the matters which are really affecting the British people.
Every time I read one of these stories I think of how sorry I feel for the people of Britain as a whole. How a country could evolve to care so little about the rights of it's native citizens to allow this travesty of justice to occur. This is plain theft anyway you look at it. Shame on anyone who would let these criminals stay in that house. Your island is becoming an asylum run by the inmates. Good luck.
We certainly didn't vote for Moldovia when we had that joke referendum on joining the common market.
So, since when is 'breaking and entering' a civil matter? They "broke in through the back door" - this is a criminal offense and should be dealt with accordingly. How much more humiliation and shame must the British people put up with before politicians actually do something to change such antiquated laws which permit spongers from benefitting?
"They broke in through the back door". How is that not a criminal offence ? Seems like if this new wave of immigrants cannot get accommodation legally, they will just take, take, take. Send them and others like them home before they further 'milk' the system by claiming benifits- Ooooops To Late !
If they broke in through the back door isnt that breaking and entering. The police would have the right to arrest them it would not be a civil matter.
wow. your Law sucks.
Is it any wonder illegal immigrants are piled high at Calais and wherever else they can enter this country. We're the soft touch of not only Europe, I would say worldwide. In any civilised society, the houseowner, supported by the forces of law and order, would have removed these thieving scum post-haste. In any civilised society, the only people able to claim welfare would be the people who have contributed. But, we're not a civilised society at all, unless you're an illegal immigrant/thief/rapist/terrorist/murderer/benefits cheat or any other type of foreign criminal.
Isn't it about time the British justice system got a grip? This is ridiculous. And why are the police so IMPOTENT?And no, you don't have to pay for the electricity - just DON"T pay and it will be cut off.
Have any checks been done on these parasites and if not why not? They probably should not even be in the country legally......it just gets worse.
I don't quite believe all of this. Forced entry by unauthorised occupiers is not a civil offence it is a criminal offence under the criminal justice and public order act 1994 made so the police should act. Also the owner does not have to pay for electricity. If they are using electricity with no intention to pay then that is stealing which is another criminal offence. Owner should be able to get them out pretty quickly with an interim possession order but they need to act quickly and not waste time talking to newspapers who seem to get a lot of the facts wrong.
So. if someone breaks into your house and steals your telly, they're a burglar who can be arrested and (hopefully) sent to prison. If someone breaks into your house, decides to stay, changes the locks, makes a nice cup of tea, sits down and watches your telly, not only is it legal but you're paying the electricity bill. UK justice - it's an oxymoron, with the emphasis on moron.
I cannot understand this squatters' rights business in the UK, along with outrageous benefits given to "immigrants"? What's it going to take for taxpayers to say "Enough!"
Janice get all your family together and move in and make their lives a misery they will soon move out.
So you can protect your property if someone tries to break in while you happen to be home, but if they MOVE IN while you're away, you can't do anything about it?!! What is WRONG with the British justice system that this is not a crime? Ken Clarke - and David Cameron, what's your problem? Why the delay? Come on men, pull your thumb out and get busy TODAY to make this horrendous practice illegal. And remind the police that once it is illegal, they're not to pussyfoot about - squatters should be arrested and removed IMMEDIATELY. .
Alleged "Tenancy Agreement" but they had to break in throught the back door?? This has to be one of the cruelest crimes, and the sooner Clarke gets off hisbackside and sorts it out the better. How on earth can breaking and entering not be a criminal offence ? Theft of electricity used to be a crime as well. Does this mean that any little oik who fancies a bit of burglary only has to say he was squatting and he will get off with it. This is insane.
So if you break into someones house to steal something you can go to jail? Yet if you break in with a view to taking the whole house its a civil matteer? Weird. And as for the tenenacy agreement, easy to write that yourself.
This is so wrong! How on earth can a government be allowing things like this to happen. People will be taking the law into their own hands soon.
"Announcing proposals" - Typical. Just make it illegal immediately. How hard can that be?
What is the matter with this country?
All of you who have been green arrowing the Romanian big issue seller, this is what this country is up against. Let's see how much this family are raking in from benefits including housing benefit which they are probably also claiming since they hold a tenancy agreement which has yet to be proved fraudulent.
What is wrong with the British government - why can they not take the simple measure of making trespassing a criminal offense as it is here in North America? These situations never occur in Canada because trespassing is against the law and those squatters would be arrested immediately.
I cannot believe that the Squatters Rights law still exists. In my book squatting is theft. In South Africa if a family of hairy-assed Moldovians moved into somebody's house uninvited they would never be seen again. I feel for this couple and all the other victims of this most ridiculous of laws. What astounds me is, when you take this example together with the ridiculous benefits claims of Romanians, and others, the elf and safety pettiness, bin men who won't take your rubbish, firemen who won't rescue drowning children (because they will get their uniforms wet) and the European Humans Rights laws that dictate that known terrorists can stay in London AND get housing benefit when ordinary hard working British people get nothing, people are wondering why Britain is not so great anymore. It is plain for anyone with half a brain to see. Just re-read the previous paragraph. I left 16 years ago but it grieves me to see a once proud nation shoot itself in the foot on a daily basis.
You no longer have any rights in your own country.
Wouldnae see that happen in Scotland!
Poor woman! This makes my blood boil; these evil people - who KNOW that they are in the wrong - cause people huge distress and great financial loss, and the police are absolutely powerless to do anything. There is a need for this new law to be brought into being very urgently. It's outrageous that people can do this, and they're probably claiming flaming housing benefits as well!
Breaking and entering isn't a crime in the UK?
Why does Britain not have laws against breaking and entering, trespassing, theft by deception, fraud, grand larceny, destruction of property.....? Can your counties pass their own criminal codes, as our individual states do? We have certain federal (national) criminal laws, but every state's legislature has established criminal law codes. In this country, breaking into someone's house is a felony and the felon would be arrested, jailed, and have to face a criminal penalty. Should not British people have this protection against usurpation of their property? What is wrong with your lawmakers?
The law needs to be changed! This is disgusting! Ask the utiliy companies to cut off their electricity, it's not right that you have to pay for it!
So what happened to this being made criminal offence as announced. Heir to Blair, more promises broken. Police would soon do something about it if attempt made to kick squatters out. Why not do the same to Clegg, Camoron and Clarke's houses. ?
i suspect in their own country this wouldn't be allowed..or the police would move in with guns or something. When, oh when, will we wake up and get a grip on things.They are there illegally. End of. That poor woman.
What is wrong with the UK? This is alright? For illegal aliens move into your OWN house and LIVE for AT LEAST 8 MONTHS? I'm sorry, but at least in Texas you could shoot them as they are on YOUR PROPERTY. It's a shame that the police can't do anything as they are TRESPASSING.... What good is it when you can't protect your OWN HOME?
Oh for heaven's sake - THEY ARE TRESPASSING - IT'S AGAINST THE LAW COME ON COPPERS GET THEM OUT.
The eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door. Yet the police are saying that breaking and entering is a civil matter, why do we bother to have police, what are they for.
I don't get it. Isn't breaking and entering a criminal offence?
Let m,e see if I can get this right, moldovans (whoever they are) break into somebodies house, change the locks and plod says he cannot do anything about it. So does that mean breaking into houses in the UK is now legal? if so on my next visit I shall bring over my tools , choose a nice house down on the Sussex coast and whoopee have a very relaxed summer I shall also buy a very nasty doberman so the owners and plods can gnash their teeth outside and do nothing about it. How wet can you poms get???
I thought that they were going to change the law on squatters!
It is insane that the true owners have no rights to have these squatters (thieves) booted out immediately. Simply unbelievable! Perhaps if squatters took over the home of a British lawmaker there would be some action to get squatting outlawed immediately. This is just sickening. My sympathies to the Masons.
These vermin BROKE IN,what part of this criminal offence do the police not understand???????????
It was said they broke in the back door. I thought it was against the law to break in to squat in a building. Surely the police should have arrested them for breaking the law. Deport them them for breaking our laws. This is insanity. Come on David ,this happens too often.
So the police said quote '' they are powerless to act as it is a civil matter '' hogwash, this is a clear case of breaking and entering, and there is too much of this going on, and Ken Clarke say,s he is going to change the law ------ oh yeah, you,ll wait till the cows come home before this happens !!! if I was the Mason,s I,d be round the local,and round up the heavies and do my own evictions, 10 minutes job done, and sod the consequences .
So someone can break in to your home, occupy it....and theres nothing you can do about it? So we have breaking and entering, criminal damage, trespass and probably a few more offences but the police wont do anything? I bet if this was some rich CEO, fat cat or politicians house, theyd be dragged out by the scruff of their necks by riot police. Only in Britain........need I say more?
This country has gone to the dogs..No justice anymore..The only option she really has is for her husband to find some male friends to visit and take over the 'squat' Then the house could be restored to its original condition and guarded until the new owner took posession.I know this is taking the law into your own hands but what can one do to right a wrong and find justice in this country.
Ken Clark should make squatting illegal, full stop. None of this residential residences only. Why is this family not breaking and entering? It is dispicable.
Powerless police... we know who is coming in the country but what is happening to the country.
Why are the laws in this country so loaded against us, the native citizens, and so in favour of freeloading parasites from abroad? Are the powers that be trying to provoke a reaction? Because that's where this is headed.
Cut off the electricity, gas, water and send the TV licence detector van round.
Squatters should NOT have rights!! It is not their property and should not be allowed to just stay in there! And it has stopped the owners being able to sell the house which is hard enough as it is at the minute! They should pay rent or a mortgage like everyone else has to do! This can ruin people's lives and homes. Good luck to them getting them out.
Enough is enough, whos next? Wake up BRITAIN! Everybody knows this is wrong, it's time for the the law to change other wise the power of the people will step in. I bet this wouldn't happen at No 10 why it remains empty and a new PM steps in at the next election or at Buckingham Palace why the queen visits Balmoral!. David Cameron said he was going to sort out the imigration probelm which Labor so kindly left behind. It's time for the tax payers to step in, stop hard working people stuggling to pay their bills be left privatley fighting immigrants through civil disputes. Round them all up and send them home or house them in a detention centre for breaking and entry or trespass. It makes me so mad, why oh why did we win WW2, I grandparents turn in their grave, every body who lost are now winners and we are a pathetic nation still suffering.
Something not right with this article. If these pieces of low life broke in and the police refuse to do anything sue the police. They failed to do their duty. If the break in is unproven the low life couldsue the DM for darkening their already dodgy name.
It's not squatting when they break in! Why aren't there new laws on the way to protect home owners?
How did this happen that in Britain squatters have more rights than the owners???
This is just wrong, how can this still be allowed to happen ? The law need to change and fast!
It is ridiculous that Parliament continues to fail the people of England and Wales in this matter. The government should introduce a Bill for Criminal Trespass even as Canada and the U.S.A. both have.
Reading this makes my blood boil!
How on God's green earth can this be legal?? Are you folk in England stark staring mad???????
Squatting is one thing, but surely this counts as breaking and entering, which is most definitely not a civil matter.
until the government acually do something so that these squaters can be removed out of someones home it will get worse and reading about how easy it is to take over someones home puts ideas into people heads. the law seems to on the side of the squatters at the moment. feel so sorry for the people who have squatters move in, and they have stand b y while they trash it, before moving on to another house to trash
"Seizing their opportunity, the eight squatters, believed to be Moldovan, broke in through the back door." I was under the impression that if you break in then that is a CRIMINAL MATTER.......and you could only claim squtters rights if a door or window has been left open. If it was me I would wait until the early hours then go round with a few friends and help them move along........
The Ministry of Justice annonced proposals to make residential squatting illegal, but, alas, does not know when it will happen! It will never happen. It is beyond comprehension how British people can accept the injustices they daily have to live with. There are tens of millions of people moving to the UK from Eastern Europe and everywhere else, all determined to fleece the country for all it's worth, steal people's houses, drive elderly owners from their homes, and there is nothing in place to stop them.
This happens again an again - the internet allows these crooks to find out about every trick in the book. If they supposedly rented the property from a woman masquerading as a landlord why would the fake landlord go to the trouble of changing the locks? Get the law changed Ken!
How can it be a civil matter when strangers break into your home and refuse to leave? Isn't that breaking and entering in the UK, as it is in the States? Can the legal owners then break back into the house and, (armed with baseball bats or who-knows-what) use force to take back their own lawful property? Could this be easy to fix by making it a criminal matter instead of civil? Then the cops could DO something. Any lawyers out there care to suggest something?
" Police told them they were powerless to act as it was a civil matter."-How can breaking and entering be classed as a civil matter?
Is anything like this happening in Germany or France?? Or is it only in the 'UNTIED' Kingdom?? Welcome to the madhouse, the lunatics are in charge.
Surely if these squatters broke in it is a police matter, a case of break and enter, and if they had paid rent, why did they have to break in, they should have had a key. Sounds very fishy to me.
kick them out out of the house & the country after charging them for breaking & entry, fraud , falsifying a legal document , theft of a shopping trolley , & they can pay the power bill as well
When did "breaking and entering" stop being a crime? Surely it would be a civil matter ONLY if they were there by prior agreement and the owner was now having a problen removing them. These two parties are strangers to each other and a civil matter cannot exist between strangers. Sounds like classic "fobbing off" by lazy police.
Well Dave.here are eight who are all in this together,what sort of a civil matter is breaking and entering,I thought that was a criminal offence.
It's theft and vandalism. Why isn't this a police matter. What in heavens name is happening to England? What is a civil matter? This kind of behavior being tolerated is disgusting.
When did "home invasion", "forced entry" and " breaking & entering" become a civil matter?
I do feel for the Masons,what an appalling thing to happen.Am I right in thinking UK's major problems started with EU ? Riots, squatting,etc... Yet why are people so anti Indian and anti Asian in general,when they contribute to the economy and cause no trouble to anyone?
The sooner the law gets changed the better! This has been going on for years now. Why are parliament dragging their feet over this? It could happen to any of us. You come back from holiday or even Tescos to find bunch of squatters have moved in. Get it sorted!
You need that law NOW! I just don't 'get it' about squatting. This kind of thing would just not happen here. In truly abandoned houses or buildings, maybe, but I keep reading about situations like this one where houses in transition, for sale or renovation, get taken over. When the law is passed, if ever, will this kind of thing be an offense that the police can deal with?
The law needs to be changed ASAP go protect the rightful owners. Deport the squatter scum back to where they came from. Come on Mr Cameron grow a pair and protect your fellow country men and their property.
The tenancy agreement is a forgery, and the squatters broke in through the back door - two crimes the police could have chosen from in order to carry out an arrest. Also, why hasn't the law been changed yet? The Ministry of Justice has a lot to answer for.
For heaven's sake..why does England still allow this? You cannot do this in Scotland. And why can the legal owners not enter the property if they so wish? This is absolutely ridiculous..what's taking so long to change the law?
this is absolutely scandalous......... where are your lawyers and local members when you need them ?!!!! - how dare these people presume to take possession of someone else's hard earned/bequeathed property... I am shocked that your police force canNOT physically remove these squatter............. I'd be camping out @ the local member's office and demanding action.. why can't you have the electricity turned off ??... just not good enough.... I wish you well in your endeavour to remove these oxygen thieves.
Breaking and entering is a Criminal Offence and is arrestable. How would the Police respond if this were Ken Clarke's property? Answers to his office please-The Houses of Parliament,Westminster,London SW1 0AA.
Contact Grant Shapps, housing minister, and ask him how he will help you. This makes my blood boil and if this happen to me I'd risk a jail sentence to make sure they moved on quickly.
Send in the army.
This is scandalous ! England is becoming a less and less desirable tourist destination due to laws which permit things like this, as well as your bizarre criminal penalties. Or am I just being influenced by this sort of story being regularly featured in the DM?
Over on this side of the world that would be a crime called 'breaking and entering'.
Ken Clarke, get your finger out and pass that law!!!
I wonder what the law says in relation to the act of squatting in the country of Moldova......... ?
I get so mad with stories like this why can't the police just go and get them out. It is so unfair on this poor couple. You are better off in England now if you are not English. Come on England stand up for us English again.
No doubt the squatters will use the bogus tenancy agreement to claim housing benefit
I don't understand why there is a need to squat....... you only have to go to social services and you get everything handed to you on a plate....... and you don't even need to work for it! This is Dave's 'we're all in this together' Britain 2012
Why has the parliament not acted to put a stop to this already? This is worse than theft. At the very least it guarantees that the owners have to lose large sums of money in legal proceedings to recover the property. This situation amounts to more socialist regulation that leads to loss of property rights and hence loss of social order.
"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke recently announced proposals to make squatting illegal in residential dwellings. The Ministry of Justice was unable to say when the law would come into force." The sooner the better. What other property (cars, computers, shoes) is there that ownership gives you no rights to ownership? None. It's a disgrace that this remains a civil matter, not a crime. People should stop buying houses until this matter is sorted out - and then you can bet the businesses involved in the property industry will put heavy pressure on the government to act. In fact, I propose a "Don't buy property Month"!
Breaking and entering and trespassing on private property are not crimes in England? What is wrong with your Parliament?
Here we go again spineless police and politicians make a wonderful pair.
Move back into the house yourself with loads of relatives, squat in the house yourself until the moldovians have no room to live there. Dont allow them to do this. It is your house, take it back. If the police and courts won't help you then you need to help yourself.
I'm baffled as to how this can be a civil matter. You own property, someone ILLEGALLY breaks in [which in this country is criminal], stays without your permission, likely causes damage [vandalism is also criminal] - how can this not be a police matter that requires the people to be arrested & charged - at a minimum - with breaking & entering, vandalism & trespassing provided the original/true owner can show proof of ownership? Absolute non-sense.
The rape and plunder of the UK citizens. Getting to be you can't even leave your home without worrying squatters are going to move in. Where's the protection for the tax paying home owners, this poor family having to pay to remove them from their own home.Dealing with their mother's death and now this For heavens sake start protecting them against these invaders. Put a law into action now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes me so angry just reading this! Poor couple
How the hell can breaking and entering be a civil matter ?? Its a criminal offence !!. I thought P.C. stood for Police Constable not Politically Correct. Shameful.
In the States we call this breaking and entering. I don't know why the police say its a civil matter the owner is right there with the cops the lease is invalid end of story the police need to remove them. And if the police didn't remove them I would sue the police department.
This country has become just one sad joke.
Where else in the world can you get away with this ? There is a much quicker way of getting these parasites out, but you should not have to use it . Why can't this happen to Blair and the like , they started this never ending decline of a once fine country ????
All I can say is that I'm glad I do not live in the UK any more." Normal " countries have sensible laws that would have them out on their ear instantly. The sooner Britain pulls out of the EU & its stupid laws, the better. If you own the house & your name is on the title deed, how Eastern European squatters,or any squatters for that matter being permitted to get away with this is beyond my comprehension. They should be sent back to Moldova, wherever that is???
"Broke in through the back door." How is that a "civil" matter? What happened to 'breaking and entering' yes for illegal purposes...to steal electricity and water and gas..at the very least..then criminal damage...before any civil matter is reached. Of course there is trespassing..but that doesn't seem to count anymore. ( One time a police officer would attend and " prevent a breach of the peace" while the owner or agent would physically remove the trespassers.) WE ARE ALL SICK of how badly victims are treated by the law now - and how well the criminals do out of crime. Get the message government...or resign.
Isn't this a very old article????
This is a nightmare scenario and a loop-hole in the law that needs to be closed. If you tried this in Moldova I'm sure you'd end up bloody and battered on the pavement in double-quick time.
Since when has breaking and entering been relegated to a civil matter?
Welcome to Cameron's Britain, you asked for it by voting him in.
I was under the seemingly misapprehension that you could only squat in a property if you were able to gain unhindered access, but the article clearly states that " they broke in through the back door ". Surely this act alone makes it a criminal offence? The alleged tenancy agreement and ownership of the property could be confirmed in a few days, one would have thought, so why does it take months and cost so much? No doubt when they are legally evicted the property will be trashed as well. You need a little North American law enforcement over there.
Why on Earth, when the owners were allowed inside, could they not have stayed? It seems they'd have been within their rights every bit as much as the squatters. Since it's a civil matter, the police could hardly throw them out and, if the squatter threatened them, they'd be arrested, surely. That's the way it should be, anyway, barring a real solution.
What are Moldovans doing in Britain? Moldova is not an EU country, so they have no 'right' to be here. They should be deported.
Are you kidding me?... How?... What? Isn't that break and enter? Trespassing? If thats OK, whats to stop you from going to some politicians house and and move in there while they are on holidays? This makes absolutely no sense to me. AND they pay for the electricity? Gobsmacked!
Something doesn't seem right with this story, firstly how are the Masons still paying the electricity bill? they can easily get it cut off. It says they rented the house out starting from 2009, so whoever they rented it out to could have sub-rented it or the Masons themselves rented it out to the Moldovans. This story headline is very misleading.
Times like these call for the end justifies the means philosophy....I'd have said that I'd left a vacuum cleaner or something in the house and now it's gone....the definition of burglary states "any person entering a building or part of a building as a tresspasser with the intent of rape, unlawfull damage, G.B.H or theft"...if the "alledged" vacuum cleaner is no longer there the police would have the power to arrest on suspicion of burglary.....while they're in the cells you secure the house....simples.
Why is it taking Ken Clarke so long to deal with this issue?
Could the police get through to this landlady called Sharon? If so, what did she have to say to them? If they couldn't get through, what other form of contact do the Moldovan's have? How will they next be paying rent? If it's cash in hand then there will be a person to collect. If it's via bank account, obviously that can be traced too. Either way the police should be treating this as a prima facie squatting/trespassing/theft offence and establishing the linking person called Sharon - if she exists - very easily.
Pathetic legal system needs to be reformed immediately , scandalous that this is still allowed to happen.
I do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country!
When oh when is this limp stupid goverment going to put astop to this terrible situation this poor woman must be going through hell. \\kick the squatters not only out of the house but out of the country NOW and to hell with the stupid E.U
Poor people. This cannot happen in the US as the sqatters would be charged with breaking and entering and hauled off by the police!
i really feel for this couple but im ashamed to say i expected it from this tinpot country. They wont print what i really want to say but im pretty sure the rest of the uk knows what i mean and i hope they rise up and do something about it. If one person red arrows me then i know their not british
My understanding is that "squatters" who break in, are committing burglary and would face arrest? These ones broke in..
These people have alot more control than I ever will, if anyone broke into my property there would be no calling the police.If the law is an ass, you must take matters into your own hands. Why don't the couple call the electric and water company and say they don't want electricty and water. Tell me, what is the difference between this and breaking and entering? Surely there should be no difference. It all leads to this whole welfare state that we have become where being lazy and breaking the law gets you further than honesty and hard graft.
Since when was breaking and entry a "civil matter". Unless a chunk of the facts of the story have been left out here (which is not impossible given that this is the DM!) it sounds as if the police don't know much about the law.
Absolutely bonkers that you have no right of occupation over your own home. But of course these are foreigners so they will be treated with kid gloves anyhow.
Another shameless story of Britain going through the wall , how on earth are these people not charged with breaking and entering property i will never know .
it is my understanding that if you break in that this is a criminal offence. Seems the police do not want to do their job on this occasion.
Its stealing, pure and simple
WTH?! Your telling me in the UK, breaking and entering is a CIVIL matter and NOT a CRIMINAL offense? That is insane. I wonder if the police would do the same if someone decided to squat at Buckingham Palace!
The British public can only be pushed so far, everyone eventually has a breaking point.
So now in the UK breaking and entering is no longer a crime. Bring on the revolution guys, lets sort it out ourselves.
Dumbfounded!!! feel like moving to another planet!! Try moving into someone els's house in another country and you would be out the front door before you sat down Why is it that british people do not have rights!
Mental, totally mental !
As Moldova is not in the EU,how were they able to take up residence in the UK? If they alleged torture by a government institution and sought asylum,who was responsible for their settlement in the UK?
Time for BNP to take over and fight for the British people - Kenny, London, 26/8/2011 12:30 At the risk of waking the Kraken of Godwin's Law I believe we should be careful what we wish for. IÂ’m sure that if this kind of forum existed in Germany in the early 30s the comments would be similar.
Just withdraw any access to benefits of any kind, and the inward migration figures would drop like a stone.
There's been a lot of misreporting of these figures. Immigration hasn't gone up - it's at roughly the same level as it's been for a decade. What's happened is that emigration has dropped quite substantially. Also, it hasn't been widely reported that roughly 90,000 of the immigrants are returning British nationals. Yes, immigration may be too high, but it's a far more complicated picture than some of the headlines would have us believe. And it's a far harder problem to address than Mr Cameron's simplicities might make us think. We need those students. We need those skilled people.
Join UKIP! Vote UKIP!
Time for BNP to take over and fight for the British people
This immigration issue is cross party - we need to leave the EU
len brighton i whole heartedly agree with you, but sir the same applied to the last government too we have no real choice in this country any more as labour is just a conservative with a red tie, there needs to be massive change which will not happen i myself will never vote again until change happens what's the point same old same old i intend to burn my electoral registration in protest and will encourage friend and family to do like wise, we live in a capitalist society where our country is run in name only by elected officials, how can this be democracy we have no say we elect these people yes then we are stuck with them for 5yrs no matter what they do to the economy unemployment where is our voice in all this
Am I the only one here who realises that when the govt talk about net immigration, they fail to tell you that the vast majority of immigrants are those with non-British values and religions; the ones who are leaving (Canada and Australia being the most popular destinations) are true-Brits, so emigration is making matters WORSE with regard to the cultural mix in this country.
Cameron is part of a political class that is determined to remake this country in an image and culture that they can control and be happy with. To that end they have foisted multiculturalism on us, they have opened doors they do not intend to shut. We simply have to face that and seek alternatives or create alternatives..
they talk the talk when in opposition,but once again they do nowt when in power.all parties are the same when in power ,they aint got a clue.our youngsters havent got a chance in the job market..totally agree with paul of exeter.watch out in the future.
Just get a grip Cameron....all the immigration policies you say were introduced by Liebour can be undone at the stroke of a pen if you wished. It does not matter whether it is third world or EU immigration it can be stopped or curtailed. I don't believe the will is there to take on big business, who, are people who want mass immigration to drive down wages and conditions. Strange that as mass immigration continues the 'growth' the govt. cry for to get us out of trouble goes DOWN and not up!!!!
CAMERON reneged on all the promises he made during the election campaign, HE lied through his back teeth to win it. He has neither the brains nor the competence to run this country, HE is a deceitful liar just like his predecessor BLIAR, they are two of a kind and until we get rid of CAMERON & Co this country will continue on a downward spiral. The British people need to demonstrate and show that we are not prepared to put up with HIM any longer. We need to DEMAND, not ask for, but demand a REFERENDUM on Europe and a GENERAL ELECTION to remove these COMEDIANS from office. The sooner we get someone into Downing Street who will fight for the BRITISH people the better.
Deliberate sabotage by the Liberals undermine the country, just as Labour did for 13 years
'Foreign workers continued to flood into the UK, and British youngsters continued to walk straight out of school on to the dole — with a socially-harmful one in five of our 16 to 24-year-olds out of work.' Where's the usually vocal Ed Miliband on this; after all, he must be proud of this legacy from the last government and of which he was a prominent member? The tidal wave of migrants took thirteen years to reach full flow and reducing that will also take years and being hindered by the LibDems is will add to the time needed.
I am becoming sick to the back teeth of hearing how the Lib Dems are shackling the Tories over changing things in this country. For goodness sake kick them out and see what happens. They are just another millstone round our necks.
People coming to the UK to work are not the problem - we are all betterr-off as a resul of the wealth they create . The problem is the huge numbers who come here who do not work, do not contribute, often do not even learn the language, but live on benefits and demand housing and healthcare as their right, but do nothing in return.
What part of BRITAIN IS FULL doesn't Mr Camoron understand ! I feel BETRAYED, that he has done less than nothing.We need a complete Stop on any more immigrants or 'asylum seekers' from coming here- AND mass deportations of any illegals found here- No appeals No Detention just GET RID. As for the European Human Rights Act- Repeal it ! and if the EU objects TOUGH ! Get rid of them too..... Our Children need Jobs and Housing Stock ! Not False Promises from wishy washy political muppets ! !
The number of migrants is irrellevant, only a statistic. What really matters is why they want to come, and what are they doing when they arrive. If they are wor king and paying taxes, so what? If they aren't and are a financial drain on our resources, then we really do need to challenge their right to be here.
Cameron & Co are not reducing immigration and never had any intention of doing so from the start. Their funding is largely from businessmen who have a vested interest in continued large scale immigration. They have openly admitted it: immigrants are often better educated, have a good attitude (meaning easier to exploit) and -the clincher- will work cheap and thereby keep the general level of wages down. All the monied elite care about is profit. That is how they became the monied elite.
The number pouring into this country ... the 'official' figures are SUCH a lie... does not mention that they are mostly young, so there will be a HUGE explosion when they start to breed..and it will NOT be 2.4 children each either. Get real.
camercon should be put on trial for treason along with bliar and co.
We have to remember that the nunbers being quoted since the Tories gained powere are NET migration,a con trick that takes no cognizance of the type of people entering and leaving the country, a con on the same level as the old tailor's "never mind the quality, feel the width" . So for every native Briton with even some sense of affiliation for this country who has decamped after a lifetime of paying taxes and who has finally given up on any prospect of a government that will do his or her wishes, we get in exchange a colonist or "remitance man" usually with no knowledge, connections or sense of belonging to this country, and the latter offficially outnumber the former by several hundred thousand to give the spurious "net figure"! As it is also highly unlikely that any substantial illegal Emigration is occuring to match the equivalent level of illegal Immigration an accurate net figure that takes into account illegal movements of people is well hidden by the Tories con trick!
Seems obvious to me that the government has no control over anything. Cameron should call an election and dump and co. Use immigration and human rights as a plank to get rid of the Liberals. Thgw country cannot last much longer at this rate.
This disgusting, wicked person should not have even been here!
Blame the Labour government again, this country is going down the pan.
Soho Hill is nowhere near Booth St were this low life lived. Soho Hill, where my wife lived, is in the Hockley District, Booth St is over a mile away, on the edge of Smethwick, part of Sandwell District. I live 500 metres from this murder, and we are glad he was caught, and certainly don't miss him after his suicide. How many others like this are living amongst us, and are the Border Agency fit for purpose. There should be a public enquiry over this affair.
of course officials had no idea this dangerous man was in the country. they haven't a clue how many such people that they have let in. neither do they make any effort to find them. we only find out when it's too late.
Whilst free trade and movement of persons is a benefit of the EU we really need to get a grip on the scum that get to infiltrate our country. You would not allow a time bomb or any sort of explosive to be transported from EU country to EU country. So why do we not also restrict these criminals from coming here as they are just the same as explosives. They are not here to work (unless you consider being a criminal as work). They are here to exploit. There should be a three strikes and your are out applied to them. Then their travel documents get stamped "ENTRY TO UK PROHIBITED UNTIL THE YEAR 20XX" This way we fast track them out of the country immediately they are found here, regardless of how long they have been here.
When are our useless leaders,going to take some action,how many more innocents,are going to lose their lives,be raped,robbed,,by all the scum of the world,as the government refuse to protect its citizens,do we start arming ourselves and do it ourselves,and what is the point of the EU,that is mainly responsible for this situation.It promised peace,stability,prosperity,instead we have got a crime wave ,austerity and civil unrest.
Once again the Boarder Agency have failed to keep that ferrule low life out of the country, My concern always has been if they let him in who else is lurking around my country. May I quote the comment from John Reed BOARDER AGENCY, NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.
That's one suspended sentence I agree with.
The dreadful murder of these two innocent people is too awful to contemplate. And what needs sorting out and quickly, is the ease with which criminals from outside of Britain can get into this country so easily. Whenever my wife and I come back from holidaying abroad (both pensioners) we can't get back into the country without first showing our passports etc. The Border agencies don't get enough support from the government and don't have enough staff to do the job properly. it's one area of public spending that definitely needs more cash pumping into it. There's always plenty of cash to go around for these Human Rights law firms to take up the case of foreigners wanting to get in here. No way should a coach or car full of travellers step ashore on this side of the English channel without proper entry checks into the country first. God knows how we would manage if we ever have to go to war properly. Not that I ever want that to happen. What a mess the UK is in.
Did us all a favour then!
Absolutely disgraceful that this thug was allowed into the country again and again and the loss of these two fine people and to their familys and grandchildren.There should be an enquiry into how that happened when he was a known criminal and more like him.Im fed up with this and other government talking about immigration.GOOD LIFE IF YOU CANT POLICE THESE THUGS YOU HAVE NO CHANCE.Government tighten the laws put the right(non religious that wants to invite the world ) people in place since you want to help unemployment and get this sorted your all weak and feeble and getting paid for not doing your job you should lose it
Rimvydas Liorancas found hanging in his cell...condition...satisfactory
The free movement of goods, persons and services which is the mantra of the EU was never meant to espouse the crime spree holidays Europe's criminals-no doubt this monster has a track record back in Lithuania but as an EU citizen, he was never checked out here. If you have a criminal record, this should come up on fingerprint/iris scanning of a passport and any entry application refused. As more countries have joined the EU, so more of their trash ends up in benefit generous, security slack crime haven Britain.
Well if he was guilty of such a terrible crime than think of all the money saved for the taxpayer. My thoughts go out to the family of the lady and gentlemen who were killed.
The justice system in this country still amazes me, you could be filmed murdering someone, have it witnessed by everyone and admit it but if the jury say no, then you did'nt do it ! What is that all about ? If he was the guilty man, then thats a result.
Cheaper than keeping him in prison !
Well that's saved the UK a few bob then. Probably £100s of thousands in legal fees and keeping him for the rest of his life.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Good
If it turns out he was guilty this is a good result. It saves a lot of expense for the tax payer and rids the world of another unwanted.
The greatest tragedy is to the family of the victims. They will never have the 'why' answered. I have enough faith in our police force to believe them when they say they had the culprit in jail.
Gone straight to hell i hope.
Me, UK - you have contradicted yourself in your comment - because an innocent man who 'wanted his day in court' as you put it, would be highly unlikely to kill himself on remand! I think we can safely say in this case his suicide backs up the evidence that he was the guilty man. Just a shame he didn't kill himself before he terrorised and murdered that lovely couple and ruined so many lives.
Good!
GOOD
Good
Good.
Guilty
One less piece of scum to keep!
Karma .
If the prisons are so overcrowded, any chance some Overseas Aid could be withheld o build new ones - or is that too like common sense?
This is GREAT NEWS, one less to have the luxury of our prisons
Me, UK, 31/1/2012 14:17: if this man was innocent, then why did he decide to hang himself? Surely he would have wanted his 'day in court' to prove that he didn't kill Mr & Mrs. Kolar. But he decided to kill himself; not exactly the actions of an innocent man.
No Loss.
Spare a thought for the prison officer that would have found him - not a nice thing to have to deal with.
At least he has saved the taxpayer abit of money.
Justice has been done. A life for a life!
Karma.......................
Vile coward. This family have been denied justice and how they will bring closure to this brutal and senseless killing, I do not know. My heart goes out to the family.
arent we jumping the gun with the "death of a scumbag" comments? Granted if after he was found guilty, but he was only charged awaiting trial, sot no conviction and hardly any details in the article. what if he hung himself because of being charged, and later proved innocent? - granted no great loss if he was guilty but if he wasnt, then the real killer is still out there?
Great result . This will save a fortune in legal costs and prison costs....not that he would have got much prison time for a mere brutal murder anyway. Ropes should be standard issue in prison in my opinion.
He was a suspect and accused. He wasn't found guilty by anyone or any court. If he was guilty then of course he deserved what he got but what if he was innocent. I always thought your were innocent until proven guilty. Look what happened to that guy who was accused by the press for murdering Miss Yates. Looking at most of the comments here it appears you are guilty until proven innocent in this country. I'm no liberal but imagine if you were accused of something like this. You'd also want your day in court to prove your innocence.
One less to keep.
One less piece of filth on our streets, I hope sincerely that he rots in hell. It's just a great shame that the family won' see justice done.
I'm not sorry he's gone. But I am sorry the family of the deceased won't get true justice.
Oooops he must have been balancing on a chair, tripped on the rope and it ended up round his neck. These accidents do happen in cells !!
Even in death he was treated with consideration for his family, more than can be said for the lack of it he showed to the couple he murdered and their broken hearted family.
I'm so glad he's dead but feel the coward took the easy way out. I just hope the couple's family can try to move on knowing this vermin is burning in hell.
I am concerned that every poster on this site so far seems to equate arrest with guilt. He may have been guilty-the suicide may suggest that. Or he may have thought he wouldn't get a fair trial-the suicide could suggest that as well. What happened to innocent until proved guilty? Or is that reserved only for middle class white alleged criminals?
Oh dear me, how sad, never mind. He should have done this before he killed poor Avtar and Carole Kolar.
That's saved us all a few quid. Remind us again what role he played in society that was so specialised we had to import him from Lithuania....?
Excellent! How abt making Suicide Kit standard issue in prison?
Good, that was decent of him .................RIP the two lovely people he murdered and heartfelt thoughts to the family who won't have to look at his evil face ever again
Karma!
Maybe he didn't know that our prisons are holiday camps compared with the prisons where he comes from. . . Good riddance to bad rubbish.
i would have pregferred him to stay alive and SUFFER in prison
Great news. One less to keep in comfort.
He got what he deserved. It was just that he got it by his own hands!
good,good,best news of the the so far...
though he has escaped justice., i am glad he has gone he didn't even deserve the air he breathed
No justice for the family though. Their lives have been shattered and the murderer takes the easy way out. They will never have any answers or see justice done. I feel very sorry for them.
More questions than answers. "Police have said that the motive for the murders of the couple was nothing to do with their policeman son's job, police work with gangs, or the theft of gold." However, there is no substantive material provided to the public so far to support that statement. Further we now have a mysterious death of a prisoner on remand to add to this still unfolding sequence of events. My sympathy goes to the dead and their relatives. Questions still remain though and thorough and satisfactory answers should be provided. Otherwise speculation will continue. Were the murders premeditated? If so planned by whom and for what reason? If the Lithuanian was the killer then how did he die - was it suicide or foul play? Too many suspicious deaths are occuring without any satisfactory explanation being provided by the authorities. Duggan, Dr. Kelly, the Welshman from GCHQ... These is just a few of the more recent.
Cowardly scum who didn't have the courage to face up to what he has done and the lives he had ruined. Rot in hell you disgusting piece of cr*p.
I have no problem with the fact this scum is dead, however the fact he did it on his own terms is extremely annoying. I hope the family can find peace...the whole thing is ver very sad.
good news but cant help think he took the easy cowards way out he deserved to rot in jail....
'm so sorry for that poor family and sincerely hope that Liorancas' death won't mean they don't get the answers that they need. RIP Mr and Mrs Kolar and deepest condolences to the family and loved ones, it is obvious how much they were and are loved. - Friday's Child, Nottingham, UK, 31/1/2012 12:07 YES THEY STILL NEED ANSWERS TO THIS CASE
To think that a few weeks ago this lovely couple were alive and then this lowlife scumbag came along and stole their lives from them - and for what? My heart goes out to the Kolars, what a terrible, senseless tragedy. I hope they get the answers they seek - if indeed there ever are any answers for such a cruel act.
How handy. It is easy to blame a dead person, because they cannot speak for themselves.
I am sorry to sound so harsh but this is the best possible outcome given the appalling events that unfolded at the hands of this vile, wicked man. The Kolars' family can at least now just focus on mourning their loved ones in peace and put all thoughts of this degenerate and any future court cases/potential appeals out of their minds. It also goes without saying that the tax payer will be spared the cost of keeping this vermin in jail. I hope he rots in hell.
Oh dear!!! Someone wasn't doing a watch properly were they?? The PO on duty is going to get in such trouble!!! This is what happens when you have one officer on duty!! Ridiculous.... On a happier note, at least he'll now not cost the taxpayer huge amounts of money...
There is a God !
Saves the cost of keeping him in prison and the legal air and appeals. Good ridence
Wait for the lawyers to bleat on about a travesty of justice here. He, and he alone knew if he was guilty or not and if he felt that this was the way out then so be it. The lawyers will lose their day in court and a pay day (my heart bleeds for the parasites.)
No sorrow for him here, only for the family he has devastated. One less scumbag in jail wasting my tax pounds.
What goes round - comes around
I'm so sorry for that poor family and sincerely hope that Liorancas' death won't mean they don't get the answers that they need. RIP Mr and Mrs Kolar and deepest condolences to the family and loved ones, it is obvious how much they were and are loved.
Coward
Oh good! That will save the taxpayer the cost of his imprisonment for a few years. Isn't that all you get for murder in this country?
Good!
Good. One less drain on resources! Hope he rots in hell.
Couldnt have happerned to a nicer person , Saves money on atrial and keeping the bugger for the next ten years .
Jolly good. No expensive trial.
I take it all involved will be deported??
Please change the law and throw out these criminals and the men they married. They make a mockery of all the honest people who live in the UK.
We need to deport these criminals once they've done their sentence. We neither need nor want foreign shysters like this in the UK - we have enough of our own.
"So, where are the men they illegally married?" - Sarah, Cornwall, 29/9/2010 14:56 In the opticians for a much-needed eye test, I expect.
They are an ugly looking lot aren't they. Jail time is deserved because of the fraud, and they should be forced to repay the amount they scammed with interest. People like these give Eastern Europeans a bad name, which is unfair because the majority are good hard working people.
all these scams only happen in the good old uk, is it because of the generous benefits system, that dosnt happen anywhere else
My word they a couple of beauties arn't they?
So the judge didn't see fit to deport them after their jail then? Typical soft touch Britain. A spell in a holiday camp then carry on milking the british taxpayer. This new government need to get a grip and get any foreigner booted out after jail AUTOMATICALLY.
Deport them !!
Now all of them, the criminals, the brides and grooms have all broken English law and must be deported.
This is what happens when you open/lose border controls. It allows all these LOW LIVES into our country to carry out their criminal activites. Have you noticed how the crime rate has soared since BLAIR opened our borders to let them all in.
You would have thought that someone would have noticed the Adams family missing.
So, where are the men they illegally married? - Sarah, Cornwall, 29/9/2010 14:56 They are right here in UK, and claiming free housing and benefits, where else in the wolrd you can get paid for being lazy ? NO WHERE
Just deport the lot of them!
So, where are the men they illegally married?
The cited 'crisis caused by the flight of Rudolf Hess' will no doubt be, as usual, only revealing from a Nazi perspective. The real point of interest is the undeniable link between this event and the involvement of the British aristocracy. Churchill himself described the event as 'of little importance'. No doubt, in the midst of war, he could hardly be expected to round up the establishment figures involved and expose them as treasonous collaborators. However, the extent of the collaboration, those involved and what limit's they were willing to go to in order to protect their power and wealth still remains too controversial for the establishment to stomach, and that after nearly 70 years!
Richardson has a lot to answer for
This is an important discovery and will undoubtedly add to the original documentation on the history of the Nazi era. This example is also a reminder to us all to ensure that historical documents should be deposited with appropriate museums and archives. We all have a duty to history to do this. This includes important local family archives. Don't assume that what you have isn't important - consult your local archive officer or national museum officer and don't dispose of anything potentially of value till this has been done. If it isn't of national or regional museum/archive significance, it may be appropriate to donate it to a local archive. This includes varied documents, photos and family/individual portraits, as well as mementos.
With a name like Rosenberg I would have thought he was Jewish.
TO: "according to the assessment, prepared by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum" i don't want to hear what some manstream taught memorial museum has to say on the diary. then again i seriously doubt that we will ever see the diary cover to cover anyway. - taz , telford, United Kingdom, 10/6/2013 03:07 Whom did you feel would be the experts, yourself?
Such a shame we executed all these people. A 70 year jail term would have been a much more frustrating punishment and some of them might have talked in the past 20 years.
Isn't it just amazing the amount of things that turn up in the USofA
January 1st 1945 - Hitler and I went out for a Nandos, he had some pretty strong opinions about the Portugese but enjoyed the hot piri piri sauce. Went back home and played some Fifa, he played as Germany (obviously). Later Goring came round with some beers and we watched a couple of episodes of Game of Thrones. All in all, not a bad day.
A Nazi with a name like Rosenberg ?
It would no doubt make for a fascinating read, if published in its full, un-expurgated form. It might offer a clear insight into the mindset & development of the NSDAP. Doubt it ever will be, though.
Monday: woke up, invaded Poland......
The last 2 weeks were very boring as the DM did nothing report about the third rich. But today i am happy again!!
Rosenberg, himself, was Jewish. Correct?
5th pic from top, guy holding the flag....has the same barber as Hitlers.
Excellent. I was looking for Mondays Hitler story and have now found it.
With a last name of Rosenberg, was Alfred Jewish himself?
Rosenberg, an Estonian, as Reich Minister for the Occupied Territories encouraged Eastern European resistance against the USSR. The numbers that did so were remarked on by Solzhenitsyn. These and their families were turned over to Stalin by the allies. Rosenberg also returned farmlands and businesses stolen by the Soviets. But the victors still write the history books. One-sided.
Rosenberg was a Baltic German. Allegedly he spoke Russian and English and knew from 1941 on that Germany will likely lose the war once Soviet Russia and the USA entered the war against Nazi Germany..
If the diary actually documents the daily events, itenerary and objectives of the slave-worker camps. You can bet it will disappear again, pretty damn quick.
Isn't Rosenberg a jewish name??? Interesting......................................!!!
Just curious,was he Jewish?
Could be interesting, but probably nothing earth-shattering unfortunately.
The Mailonline must be forging ahead with it's attempt to publish the most photos of Hitler in a single.
Britain used to be the master of the rest of the world and the world's greatest manufacturing nation as well. But centuries of showing little interest in Europe and the future by enormous dreaming about the past have caused the loss of the Empire and this has made many of us small minded and embittered. We should stop this silly behaviour asap and start to cooperate with the successful continent states. Much time is already wasted. While we're still dreaming and playing little old fashioned propaganda games, there are not far away the long-term winners again on their allocated home position with being big in business as usual.
One of the most human revealing books I read about the incapacity to people to believe that they are falling in a totalitarian state and with conspiracy theories like those crazy ideas of gas chambers, massacres of millions of people, in a country which quite frankly was extremely well educated was: Defying Hitler, by Sebastian Haffner. He finally flew with nothing more than his clothes on and no watch or anything else, to London. He had the rare foresight to see what was going on. He lost friends, because they thought he was just paranoid. The invitation for him to complete his board exam to become a lawyer became transformed in stages into a boot camp. Soon he was put to march in the streets and learn how to shoot. He escaped. He lived in England for awhile, and then returned after the war. Not everyone has the psychological acumen to see what's happening. That is why people fear seeing the truth. But peoeple really do not become insane. They simply go on as if nothing is happening
Is it titled "Dreams From My Father"?
Thanks to the Nazis' own obsession with recording all of their unspeakable crimes, it's unlikely to reveal anything new. I'm sure it will provide insight into the mind of a very evil man, however.
"according to the assessment, prepared by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum" i don't want to hear what some manstream taught memorial museum has to say on the diary. then again i seriously doubt that we will ever see the diary cover to cover anyway.
Some good suggestions but I take issue with the idea of building new prisons as a way of dealing with these criminals. The U.K already has the largest prisoner population in Europe. Why - at a cost of £41k a prisoner - should the tax payer have to pay even more to support these scum? These criminals need to be made to pay back to society and to the communities they have destroyed through hard labour. At least 14 hours a day, 6 days a week returning to prison camps at night. They could remove the grafitti and litter that blights their communities for a start.
This wasn't the politics of envy or class war. The people looting were simply greedy and they came from all classes and all walks of life. They weren't people with no hope, there were all sorts of students and peopel with good careers. So let's stop all the excuses coming from all sides saying it was them - oh no it was them. It was just a bunch of greedy criminals. As to the jobs thing - yes jobs go to hardworking Eastern Europeans, but hard working Brits don't get a look in. The eastern Europeans are often living in overcrowded conditions and on a temporary basis, so even when they are being paid the legal minimum they don't have the overheads that a British person has.
This problem is 100% due to NuLoony Party. It will only be a matter of time before we get a Super NuLoony Party that will be " tough on looting and the causes of looting " maybe even a fourth way.
For once - well said LJ. The truth is out there! --- It's so obvious why we are in the state that we are, that to ask why people will not see it causes me grief. How can we have got to this state without an agenda pushing it? Who can benefit from the dysfunctional, overcrowded and poverty stricken state that we are in? Why was it allowed to happen and more importantly, why is it being allowed to continue? Even the most loyal law-abiding people will come to recognise eventually that to act responsibly will just get yourself taxed to the hilt, your pension will get 're-arranged' and savings dwindle because of inflation and a 0.5% bank rate. Rioters don't worry about any of these things because we'll look after them, no matter what, until we're all as broke as them. Then what? Will any country accept me as a refugee? I want out!
Quite why we need a cop from America to tell us what as been obvious to many is beyond me. These thugs have been making the lives of many people a living hell on some estates for years and became a breeding ground for these criminal low life. We needed tough and uncompromising action many years ago to evict these people without any stupid human rights laws hindering what can be done. We have Livingstone waiting on the sidelines to waste yet more public money financing yet more so called community support when in fact it is nothing but a gravy train for a bunch of crooks.
The labour party should be focusing more on this issue over benefits. What planet are the current government on cutting benefits? Not only will this divide society even more but will mean more robbing! What will happen if these rioters are mothers or fathers? Will these lead to more children in care? And what about the rich, i am sick to death of this stereotypical rioter from a broken home, on benefits, lack of education, unemployed when the reality is some of these 'poorly educated' rioters were in their second year of university. If they want to create a better system of education they have been going in the completely wrong direction, influencing the young to do A-level and where is this replacement EMA?
'Now the Prime Minister has a once-in-a-career chance to seize the initiative'. Will Call me Dave do anything other than utter a few soundbites and make some spectacular U-turns? In the words of the looting public " I don't fink so".
"As Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips have argued eloquently on these pages, this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country" Spot on, Richard.
The conversion of our Politicians on the road to Damascus having heard the words of the American so-called super cop has I am afraid to say more to do with spin than conversion. There have been a great many voices suggesting zero tolerance for some time and nobody listened. I hope Mr. Cameron or the Home Office are not paying him a fortune, because they could have had that no brainer solution years ago if they had listened to the law abiding public who have suffered from the feral scum over the past decades.
While MPs bankers and civil servants can fiddle and rob joe public without fear things will get worse. LEAD FROM THE TOP. NOT THEIVE FROM THE TOP>
its obvious the main reason is proverty. I'd like to say that there are alot of people who do work but still can not afford hoildays, music, furniture, ect. It is the employers of this countrys fault. The top earners should be less greedy and selfish and give out a decent pay rise to the majority not the few, then maybe the working class,( im not talking about the goverment workers and DAB, there ok, with more than enough money for themselves) would not feel so hard done by and that no cares. why should they care if you dont. Big companys expect you to live on pittance. I have worked for 20 years and my wages have gone up by 5000, wow wee thanks alot for nothing, mr scooges.. hope your ok on your yaught and 2 houses and 3 hoildays.. im so pleased for you, not. how am i suppose live life with that!
If young people are left in a state of poverty and hopelessness by the state, this sort of thing is BOUND to happen. I am not condoning the riots, but they simply underpin the fact that the underclass have had enough. If looting is good enough for the MPs and bankers, then it's good enough for the poorest in society as well. - Chris Carlton, Ilkeston, UK, 12/8/2011 10:13 This is a ridiculous and stupid comment and typical of those made by the mentally passive. While there is a case against the politicians, the rioters have broken the law in the worst possible way - with criminal violence which is illegal. Bankers may not be to everybody's taste but they have, on the whole, not broken the law and where they have they have been prosecuted.
Before the smoke had even cleared we had, the witch, Harman telling us that these thieves were protesting against the cuts, they were victims of a wicked government! Yes dear, the only problem is it was yours and you dare to make out that this scum are victims that need more of our money thrown at them? Benefits should only be given to those who have contributed and not used to buy votes!
As expected Richard, your article, along with Max Hastings and Melanie Philips this week, got it spot on. Could I suggest a new Cabinet comprising: Richard Littlejohn; Peter Hitchins; Jeremy Clarkson; Max Hastings; Melanie Philips; Kelvin McKenzie? The Opposition could comprise: Harriet Harperson; Ken Livingstone; Ed Balls; Yvette Cooper; Polly Toynbee. This might bring some light relief to the Nation in what has been a sombre and traumatic week.
did you get that harriet.
how does littlejohn get it so right everytime ,i would vote for him everytime,these ferral rats are of labour making,they breed like rabbits and then want everyone who is working to pick up the tab,to them work is a dirty word,we have got to get tough with these scum
The best summary of the rioting so far Richard ! Oh ... Just listened to Harriet Harmen on Radio 4's Any Questions . She again blamed the riots on the cuts to local services and the withdrawal of EMA [ aka beer money ! ] . None of which have yet occured ! I would add she was helped along with this argument by the totally ' un-biased ' chairman of the programme , Mr. David Dimbleby. We all know the BBC leftie luvvies are biased and they know that we know !
"You still don't get it, do you? The "banksters" you hate so much operated within the framework of the law. Laws and regulations are imposed by our politicians. So if you feel the need to moan, how about putting the blame where it belongs? - - Zoe, London, 12/8/2011 15:29" So the mega-rich are able to bribe, sorry, "lobby" parliament to legalise their larceny, sorry, "cut red tape" and that makes it better? At least chavs nicking trainers will likely feel the long arm of the law, unlike our rapacious elite who've done thousands of riots worth of damage and now expect everyone else to pick up the bill via higher taxes, lower wages and rising prices!
a seagull trapped on a t.v. arial 40 feet above the ground? come on, this has to be a joke surely? call me old fashioned, but don't seagulls FLY?
As usual Harriet Harman is out of touch not only with the public, but with reallity
I was involved in running a youth club once. The kids that came were all from good families, most of them practicing Christians, and it was great. We never got kids from poorer single family backgrounds (and it wasn't for the want of trying to attract them). You can spend all the money you like, the kids that are causing trouble in the UK at the moment are not interested in the wholesome pursuits of a youth club.
John Smith: in your eagerness to reply and see your name in lights (again) you seem to have completely missed the fact I haven't made any apologies for the rioters whatsoever and just assumed I have so you can take issue with it. My issue is with Littlejohn's absurd broad-brush depiction of them as being a very specific group of people - ridiculously, at odds with the lead story on this very website on the very same day. Perhaps your time would be better spent pointing out the gaping flaws in the article itself rather than scouring comments for things to misinterpret and then pointlessly nitpick about, or are you happy to be fed a large dose of codswallop week in, week out? It would seem so. And I am fully aware of life in big cities: it's cosmopolitan and varied, with communities from all backgrounds pulling together, as was seen in Birmingham and London in the riot clean-up activities - and not the dismal, segregated, resentment-filled mess that it is frequently portrayed as here.
how long must we put up with the blatant bias against the government, police and anything that isn't printed in the gaurdian, all week we have heard interviewer after interviewer try to persuade police, politicians and anybody they could get their hands on that "The Riots" were caused by cuts cuts and more cuts. If they continue like this take the liscence fee of them
40 to 50 years ago we all used to look at America with astonishment that such things could happen there, and thankful we lived in a civilised society and it wouldnt happen here. 20 to 30 years ago it started in our major cities, and people on the outskirts and smaller towns looked on with astonishment that such things could happen, and thankful they lived in a nice area. Nowadays every city and town in this country is swamped with anti social behaviour and no respect for law and order, and why should they have. its the forces of law and order that have brought us to this state of affairs. When this all calms down we sadly will be left with the same political elite, the same liberal judiciary, the same ineffectual left wing teachers, and worse of all scummy parents who either think their lovely children wouldnt do such things or worse see nothing wrong with what their scummy children are doing. Thank God there is somewhere called the rest of the world. Iam off ASAP
Well said Mr Littlejohn. Why won't the politicians listen! Until we stop allowing people to live on benefits without ever putting anything back into society nothing will ever change.
Nice try from EDINBURGH DAVE 16.27 to pretend that there is such a thing as "Scottish Oil"! However, to stop his fellow Scots from getting too excited, they should be aware that finds located in national waters are designated as belonging to the appropriate "Sovereign Nation". Scotland, just like England Wales and NI are not Sovereign Nations but are individual countries within the Sovereign Nation of the United Kingdom, so put the whistles and balloons back in the cupboard and keep on guzzling away on Barnett's over-extravagant bribe/munificence! And whatever would people do without Thatch to blame for every difficulty in life? What a Gal, still in everyone's mind - 32 years after her coronation! Will anyone recall Red after 32 years?
Richard Littlejohn - you are marvellous! Absolutely spot on as usual.
hard working Poles my backside! simply cheap labour whove totally wrecked a very weak job market people like you really need a reallity check believe you me,its all races that have been affected by this reckless immigration, remember Blairs 18000 a year cobblers well a million and a half have rolled up and these riots are partly explained by this,
I took my daughter to play in the park the other day..she was playing alongside a 4 year old and 6 year old boys both of whom were skinheads with an earing in the one ear...the youngest boy proceeded to knock down and kick sand at my daughter...I looked around for his mother but nowhere was she to be found...I confronted the boy and asked where his mother was..'she's not here'..he replied. This behaviour went on and got worse. This kid had no boundaries and his 6 year old brother was much the same. I intervened, eventually only to be told that 'yer a bitch' by the four year old weilding a small plastic spade...I could picture him a few years from now...still talking the same incomprehensible english...the same bald head and earing...but waving a knife or gun at me instead...eventually I spotted the mum....waaaay off on the other side of the park who eventually gathered her young boys after they had nearly knocked a baby out of a swing and nosed around one of the parents bags....
Aye, there's the rub - even though the Scots hated Mrs T, it was their oil that allowed her to reign supreme. Now that's history and irony for you. - Dave, Edinburgh, Uk, 12/8/2011 16:27 ******************** But Dave, how would the Scotts have ever got their oil out of the ground had it not been for the expertise and funding of the English, especially if the Scots had no money? I think you have had more than your fair share, don't you.
To reassure myself that this country has not lost its voice of reason, I have worked out a simple formula - look for a Littlejohn piece, and then go to the worst rated comments and lo and behold there it is. The voice of reason standing firm against the knuckle-trailing tendency. Makes me proud to be British. Now where are all those red arrows?
This is the result of the political, bueaucratic and media liberal establishment 's softly softly softly policies, where the 'rights' ofthe perpetrator are given preference over the victims. Teachers, police and doctors have been emasculated and forced to imlement politically correct policies which have brain washed these yobs as to their entitlements and rights and showered them with benefits, while never enforcing disciplne and responsiblity. The Harriet Harmans of this world are a major part of the problem, trying to make political advantage by blaming the riots on the cuts is revolting. Without the cuts we would be following Greece to bankruptcy thanks to the polices of Balls. MIliband and their cronies. By the way, why is Clark still inhis job???
If it had not been for Maggie Thatcher there would have been no money left in the tills to "pay the price" including the over-generous Barnett formula to the occupants of Scotland!!!! I should get your facts right and not make up history to suit your own agenda. - Jacqui, Warwick, 12/8/2011 15:24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well Jacqui, why do you think Mrs T never changed, and even extended, the Barnett formula when she was PM? I'll tell you, it'll be like a history lesson. During the years when Thatcher was PM, the revenues from North Sea Oil (some would say Scottish oil, would they not) far exceeded any money spent in Scotland through the Barnett formula. Indeed, it was North Sea Oil and Gas which bankrolled Mrs T's "economic miracle". Aye, there's the rub - even though the Scots hated Mrs T, it was their oil that allowed her to reign supreme. Now that's history and irony for you.
I think these looters, arsonists, thieves, rioters, or whatever you would like to call them have been brainwashed by the Labour Party, just like the people who vote for them. I have just watched some of these looters on SKY News, they say they did it because of 'government cuts innit', and the government should be helping them more wiv benefits and helping single 'movers' and all that rubbish, they felt no remorse one said because he was watching his new plasma tv, and had made a couple of grand out of the riots, and they also made it clear they dislike wealthy people. They could have taken those words right out of Harriet Harman and Ken Livingstones mouths, and we wonder why they feel they are entitled, and we will see this again with a little help from Labour, you see if I'm not right.
I suppose I should thank CM BURNS 13.41 for allowing himself to be seduced into replying and trying to justify his daft apologia of the thugs he rightly refers to as rioters, when all the evidence of their thuggery lies all around for everyone to see! I merely pointed out that CM should read Thoroughly the article before criticising, since he obviously missed LJ's confirmation of that cross-section of the population involved - but mainly the unemployed underclass- fact not bias! You really don't need to know, "all about the histories" of those involved anyway, do you, as if knowing that would then provide an excuse for the arson, murder, burglary or whatever, that anyone with a "chequered history" could put forward as mitigation to someone with the apparent gullibility of CM? And an even bigger surprise is that, as CM claims to live near Brum and so not having "nice" Cumbria to use as an excuse for ignorance, should then profess to being unaware of "real" life in big cities?
The cause of the problem was nicely summed up for me by one interview on TV. A semi-literate unkempt woman was trotting out the usual indoctrinated mantras about Tory cuts, bankers, yoofs with nothing to do and people who had nowt when a shopkeeper sweeping broken glass up from outside his looted, destroyed shop asked if that was any reason for his shop being looted. The child, who looked well short of being even a teenager, turned sullenly towards him and aggressively said, "They're talking to us not you." whilst his mother totally ignored his outburst. If such behaviour is deemed, as it is in many areas, to be the norm then it is no wonder such youngsters grow into demanding little yobs. I dread to think how any teacher is expected to control such louts, for that is what he is, or how they could possibly teach them anything because his behaviour showed that he believes he should do just as he wished and that is the attitude of the rioters. I'll do what I want.
Q...Why don't I go raid a shop, wreck it and steal as much as I can?...A...Because I would be deeply ashamed of what I did......Q...If I was not ashamed would I still do it?.....A...No because I might be caught and punished.....Q....If I was not ashamed and the punishment was so lenient that it was negligable what would I do ?
Hugh Francis Read the article the words are MOST& MANY
And, have you noticed how liberal opinion, whilst not openly excusing the rioting, is already clamouring for an inquiry in order to raise issues that it thinks need addressing. In other words, the bleeding-hearts brigade is already actively seeking reasons for the anarchic and criminal behaviour of the rioters; and presumably, they'll want more political correctness, more patronising of the underclass, and more money thrown at inner city "communities". And, if this were to happen, we may as well say: that's settled; until the next time!
I worked as a doctor for 10 years in the UK and I found, for the first time, that I was apprehensive of (white) teenagers in groups. South African teachers working in the UK - who come from more conservative societies - were gobsmacked by the behaviour and lack of discipline of school children. I was also taken aback by 11 year old patients telling me to F*** off, with their mothers' tacit acquiescence. This is the product of child-centred education and will continue until this is reversed. In a way I am sorry that the riots have ended - the lesson will not sink in yet '
"The riots did destroy a somematerial things amounting to some £200 million. The criminals we are told will be pursued and brought to justice. Yet the criminal banksters, far more potent in their destruction of the economy affecting the whole population have been free to enjoy their ill deserved guaranteed bonuses. Not one such criminal was brought to justice. Yet the author is sympathetic to the latter. - Ram2009, Berks, 12/8/2011 14:31" ------------------------- You still don't get it, do you? The "banksters" you hate so much operated within the framework of the law. Laws and regulations are imposed by our politicians. So if you feel the need to moan, how about putting the blame where it belongs?
Oh grow up Littlejohn. People from ALL walks of life were involved in the recent looting, pillaging & rioting but the DM just loves to point the finger at the underclass at every opportunity. Wake up to reality man!!!
Dave, Edinburgh, Uk, 12/8/2011 14:24 "We have paid the price ever since". If it had not been for Maggie Thatcher there would have been no money left in the tills to "pay the price" including the over-generous Barnett formula to the occupants of Scotland!!!! I should get your facts right and not make up history to suit your own agenda.
I'm sick of hearing about the poverty these youngsters have to endure - what twaddle! Tell that to the Jarrow marchers and the dejected young men who couldn't find work in the Thirties. These were real men who had fought in the trenches and came back to a land which gave them nothing. They were the ones without hope. Their lives revolved around pawn shops, squalor and deprivation, but they kept their self respect and dignity. They had the responsibilites of wives and families, putting bread on the table and trying to pay the rent. They suffered the indignity of means testing and soup kitchens - so don't tell me today's youngsters are poverty stricken. They haven't a clue.
@- Kevin, Liverpool, 12/8/2011 9:26 What Mrs Tatcher meant by there is not such thing as society is that society is all of us, not an entity in itself that owes us our living. We are society so if we don't contribute it can't be there for us.
The rot and downward spiral started in this country in the 1960's when Comprehensive Education was forced onto us, so we could all be equal, and the closure of Grammar schools and some very good Secondary Modern schools. And guess who started all of that, the Labour Party.
@JL, Luton, 12/8/2011 13:24 Its unbelievable that there are people like you who want to ban freedom of speech just what did my grandparents fight in WW2 for. I do not want to live in a totalitarian police state and this is one reason why this was allowed 
Today there are huge problems with disciplining children. Goverments have created policies preventing parents/teachers/wider community from effectively disciplining children..It is now illegal to smack a chid & they know their rights. The age of majority was lowered from 21 to 18, thus ended a parent's jurisdication after age 18. As my son said "I am now 18, you can't tell me what to do anymore". As a child he was a handful, needing firm handling/boundaries. Although I disciplined him & set those boundaries, his teachers were not doing the same & he was allowed to get away with being disruptive etc. Predicatably teachers were quick to point the finger at me because I was a single parent but when I questioned them re their methods of discipline it seemed that they were not allowed to carry out any effective discipline even if I authorised them to do so. Clearly I could not discipline him when he was in school & expected his teachers do this but their hands were tied by the law.
TheyÂ’d rather live on benefits or the proceeds of gang crime. Why don't you try reading your own Newspaper. Middle white class rioters with jobs! And by the way, I think you'll find that both Boris and Dave trashed up many a restaurant when they were in the Bullingdon Club.
It must be quite clear to all that the underlying fault for the state of our society goes all the way back to James Callaghan, Prime Minister of this country from 1976-79. If he had held his nerve and called an election in October 1978 when the polls were in his favour instead of holding out until the following spring which immediately followed the "winter of discontent", he would almost certainly have beaten Margaret Hilda Thatcher and she would never have become Prime Minister. Sadly an opportunity lost, and we have been paying the price ever since.
The breast-beating JAYNE of WARWICKSHIRE 11.14 is off to Cornwall for her hols, and with her diatribe about all those "Toff" yobs she is expecting there, and with her self-righteous defence of those lawless underclass thugs, it surprising then, that she doesn't choose somewhere more synonymous with those other yobs she sympathises with - like perhaps, "Hypocrisy-on-Sea? Always the case though, the supporters of the low-life prefer not to spend any time with Them. but rather the "nicer" parts patronised by the people she professes to abhor!
How long has it take you, Andrew Gilligan, to see the light? We, the ordinary public who have to live amongst these cretinous scum-bags and a vast number of other recently imported aliens, most of them peasants, have known what you now say for years and years and years. Will there be any improvement, any change, any reversal to decency and common sense. You bet your life there won't!
Someone please tell Richard that a growing number of idiots put before the courts were from the Middle classes. That should tell him that what we saw goes much deeper than just a few disaffected and disenfranchised youths running amock out of sheer criminality. Society is on the point of implosion because there is no moral leadership. How can there be when we saw Parliamentarians fiddling their expenses. And of course they allowed this riot to happen and they threw a ring of steel around the City of London, Chelsea and the West End protecting the elite rich because the police are no more than a private political army.
What complete and utter unthinking bilge RAM2009 13.31 trips out when he compares the Bankers with these thugs, who have caused the death of 5 people with their lawless thuggery! The Bankers and their financial friends are generally despised, but they operate in a legal frame-work and that would be up to governments to change should they wish to do so and if We press them to do so! RAM2009 suggests that a lawful activity - popular or not - should be treated in the same way as thugs and tearaways who have committed arson, murder, theft and rioting to get something for nothing - as though there could possibly be an equivalence between the two situations - one, a legal and essential service for any modern society, and the other, a gangster- led assault on legitimate businesses and innocent people, using thuggery, intimidation, arson and burglary and murder to achieve RAM2009's idea of "equality"! God save us from such an unbelievable train of thinking..!!
"Most of them donÂ’t get up before midday, except on the mornings they have to sign on the dole. TheyÂ’d rather live on benefits or the proceeds of gang crime." and then... "Many of those who have already appeared in court are opportunist thieves who hold down proper jobs." How can anyone take what LittleJohn says seriously when he contradicts himself in the same article. Terrible journalism. Give up man you're just making yourself look even more stupid. Oh..and the fact that so many DM readers and columnists are blaming the riots solely on the "left" is beyond preposterous.
The meltdown started while the tories were in power many, many years ago, so lets stop putting all the blame on labour. Each successive government has gone soft on the thugs and refused to help decent members of society who are suffering at their hands. Perhaps if these politicians had to live in the real world on the minimum wage they might view life very differently and we might actually have a society worth living in. All we have now are a bunch of thieves and money grabbers in parliament and decent people living in fear.
Call me Dave should take a few tips from Jo Frost on Extreme parenting for the whole youth population.
"If young people are left in a state of poverty and hopelessness by the state, this sort of thing is BOUND to happen." - Chris Carlton, Ilkeston, UK, 12/8/2011 10:13 Come and live with these wondereful young people in the inner cities, I suggest some nice council accomodation in Tottenham or Finsbury park, or Islington, or Brixton or Southall or Enfield or Edmonton suffer their verbal and physical abuse for a couple of months (no weeks, possibly days) look at the artistic Graffeti of what they are going to do to your mother, and the disguarded needles, watch the drug dealers openly dealing in your street, If you are lucky you may not get mugged but definately if you are with a women no jewellery, no clutch bags, seperate your money into different pockets so they may not take all of it, you may or may not get insurance for your property contents so don't buy expensive T.V's as they will not be there for long. P/S Feel sorry for the law abiding people living daily with this scum
COLIN HARROW, CUMBRIA 12.19 has restored my faith in the quality of Cumbria's water supply, with his two eloquent contributions of common-sense and lucidity! Colin's fellow Cumbrians - Dave and CM must have been drinking something stronger to come up with the embarassing boloney They submitted? I know it takes all sorts, but Dave's, "We are all to blame" bit has still got me kicking the cat...!!
*sigh* Why I'm replying to John Smith, a man who would start an argument with himself in a sealed room for the hell of it, is beyond me. But anyway: half a sentence in a column packed with sweeping generalisations about unemployed, benefit-taking, feral single-parent kids who play videogames and listen to rap does not a balanced article make. Especially as there have been articles in this very paper pointing out the varied demographic of the rioters, and even if there hadn't have been how would Littlejohn know? Does he know the history of all the rioters personally? Of course not - he's just reverted to type with a piece thin on fact + thick on bias, playing to the long-established prejudices of his core audience. More's the pity as his previous piece was fairly well written. And just for the record John, I don't live in Windscale - that's a pun to go with my posting pseudonym. Unfortunately, I live fairly close to you. Though thankfully not so close I can hear the constant whining.
So yet another article that rightly puts the blame on loony left wing mentally deficient liberals but yet again still no mention of Common Purpose! People need to realise that the destruction of our once green and pleasant land is entirely deliberate.
Absolutely Damn right! I'm generally a pretty liberal minded individual but even I've got fed up of people saying "Oh, but if they only had jobs it never would have happened" The few of these idiots who have managed to make it into further education can barely be bothered to turn up for college on time. How do you think they'd cope with a job? They come in 2hrs late for a disciplinary interview (one that may see them lose that chance at education) & the excuse they give is "I had better things to do innit" (Actual quote!) How do you think they'd cope with a job? They come in for course interviews in trainers, ripped jeans & offensive t shirts. How do you think they'd cope with a job? They swear & start fights with staff over a simple request like "please don't eat in the library" HOW DO YOU THINK THEY'D COPE WITH A JOB?? & who would be prepared to employ them? They have no hope of ever getting a job because they're incapable of one. I'd build a wall round them & leave them to rot.
The riots did destroy a somematerial things amounting to some £200 million. The criminals we are told will be pursued and brought to justice. Yet the criminal banksters, far more potent in their destruction of the economy affecting the whole population have been free to enjoy their ill deserved guaranteed bonuses. Not one such criminal was brought to justice. Yet the author is sympathetic to the latter.
Watching the various police reality programmes on TV we regularly see being told that swearing is now a Public Order Offence and then fined if they continue. There have been several scenes of foul-mouthed parents of some of the offenders swearing away at the TV cameras outside Magistrates' Courts. I would like zero tolerance and them charged with that also. Bring in the American Three Strikes laws so some of these louts can just be locked away permanently, they obviously have no interest in joining civilised society so let them spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
You hit the nail on the head again with this report. Is there an answer to what needs to be done? Well, lets stop the benefits to the louts that have been arrested this time around. Make them get off their idle backsides and do some work. Community service works. Be like Florida and make them all take blood tests before they are entitled to any benefits. Fail the test and you lose your money for the next 6 months. Fail a second time and lose it for life. Make them earn a living like real people have to. Make them pay their own way and their own bills like real people have to. And remember...the youth that are out there today are the generation that will be looking after us when we are old, infirm and in nursing homes. Scary eh?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy and its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"---Sir Winston Churchill I also would like to say that conservative minded people would like to see the troublemakers dealt with harshly while leftists/socialists would like to create entitlements suggesting society somehow owes these people something. Liberals and leftwingers have been ramming political correctness, multiculturalism and sissifying our youth for years. Instead of being a strong individual, grasping the system at hand and using it to better yourself, they instead breed into their minds that everything wrong in their life is the fault of the society around them and that someone doing better than them is the fault of their problems. Lastly, multiculturalism..of course people of diff backgrounds should live side by side..it's the modern world, but when it became an official social policy, there went the host countrys culture
Job done Richard, keep up the Tory propaganda. "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." -- Malcolm X
Once again you have demonstrated your expertise in ignorance.
"If young people are left in a state of poverty and hopelessness by the state, this sort of thing is BOUND to happen." - Chris Carlton, Ilkeston, UK, 12/8/2011 10:13 So riots are constantly happening in countries where there is no form of benifits or free healthcare - are they ?
I don't really think putting these criminals in the army is the answer. It would be most unfair for our superbly trained army to be lumbered with the morons who carry out such disgusting acts. Maybe some extremely tough training but who would want these idiotic criminals fighting alongside them in a war situation ?
Les R. MacQuart, Plassa, NSW, 12/8/2011 - If Labour and the left wing are so brilliant and it's all Thatchers fault - well Labour have been in power for the last 13 years, why exactly do you feel the need to live in New South Wales, Australia, if the left's policies are so great?
"Apprenticeships for looters? Reward looting with a job opportunity? What about all the poor, working class kids who didn't riot? How about putting them at the front of the queue" ---------- Thank you for this response to my comment, Steve of Oxford. But just tell me, what ARE we going to do turn this situation around? These people who were involved in looting are not about to go away and situations like this will arise again unless we do something constructive to alter their behaviour. A system of apprenticeships would actually benefit ALL young people who need purpose and something to strive for. What young people DON'T need is for this awful state of affairs to continue.
How funny how you red marked me for my earlier comment. I am the tennants's committee chairman that called not just the BBC but also ITN and Sky to complain about homes on our street being raided shown on TV. It's called protecting the market value in a nutshell. Six families down my street alone where the houses sell for no less the 750,000 and most of the cars cost over 30,000. But my parents bought me up on a council estate and I know top CID offiers, Navy and Army officers, oh and both black and white that I grew up with on them estates. So you know be ignorant if you want and slap down anyone that sticks up for people and a community, but I am afraid the TV pictures do not lie. I was not all council estate tenants. No wonder this nation is in trouble.
Spot on Littlejohn, those responsible should be made to pay off their debt to society by working to fix the damage in the community or by doing useful work in prison.
The problem with you right wing shock jocks is you don't like to seriously inquire why these people are as they are. Chronic yob culture is something peculiarly english. It is entirely absent from Europe, although France has occasional flashpoints. You blame left wing policies, yet Europe is far more left wing than Britain. You blame the welfare state, but the expenditure on welfare as a proportion og GDP is higher in many european countries than Britain. You are correct to say it is a failure of the politics of envy yet fail to point out that envy and its sinful sibling greed are the driving forces of Anglo-Saxon laissez faire capitalism. The system works by manufacturing an infinite stream of insatiable desires. It is no wonder the shopping riots have occured now when the drumbeat of consumerism is louder than ever, yet the ability of people to participate is increasingly diminishing.
"...he blames ‘the rich’ for all Britain’s ills" What are you talking about Richard? Ed Balls never said that, nor did any of his colleagues. You are creating a straw man argument to suit your own agenda. Which makes you just as a bad as any politician you claim are hijacking this for their ends. Pathetic.
A society based on greed and envy was always going to go up in flames.
The left wing make me sick. These rioters, looters, criminals, are responsible for their actions. A huge lack of morals, laziness, active parenting and greed is responsible. All four of my children feel they don't want to be in Britain anymore. One has already moved overseas, the others plan to follow. The reason ? They don't feel they have a voice, they don't feel they belong and more importantly (and sadly), they don't like the Britain this country has become.
Interesting conundrum: How do these so called ''Deprived'' folk afford expensive track suits and trainers, and even more puzzling, is how these ''Deprived'' folk can afford an ongoing supply of ''Booze and Drugs''.? Perish the thought, but.......''It wouldn't be nothing to do with Benefits and Crime, would it''.!
Right on the button as usual Richard!!!! You summed up exactly what is wrong with 2011 Britain in a nutshell!! The police are scared stiff of the carping left and all they include like the Liebour/Liberal parties, Civil Liberties campaigners, BBC, Channel 4 et al.
Did you know that when the P.M., the Deputy P.M. and the Home Secretary along with Boris were abroad the man in charge of the country was William Hague?! And we STILL waiting to hear a peep from him about anything to do with the riots! I suppose he is too tied up with the mess he has made out of LIBYA>
I loath Blair and Brown with a passion but it isn't just failures during their tenure that has contributed to recent events. Political Correctness was thriving under John Major and his awful government. Tories and Labour have emasculated the police and teachers and anyone else who once had universal respect.While we give more money on benefits to the feckless many than they could earn from their limited education, we create a breeding ground for what we saw last weekend. Make them do SOMETHING. Clean streets, deal with graffiti help in Old Peoples' Homes but this something (much) for nothing must stop..
Oh dear - showing your ignorance again! If you knew ANYTHING about the Human Rights Act you would know it is not the ACT that is at fault but the JUDGES who interpret it. Example - if you make a hell of a noise at midnight and keep me awake you can claim it is your right to make a noise whilst I can claim it is my right to have some peace - so who decides who is right? NOT THE ACT BUT THE JUDGE HEARING THE CASE. Do grow up! And your spelling of the Act is NOT funny - it just makes you look ignorant which I suspect you are!
Richard never fails to put in words just how i feel!! Keep up the good work Richard you are the true voice not just of the DM readers, but of the UK in general!! PS just imagine this country if we all all had DM values, it would be the best in the world!! - John, Blairgowrie, Scotland, 12/8/2011 10:04 Haha good one and the readers have fallen for it.
"No matter what class or sex they are, all the rioters should all be made to serve 2 years in the army. For some of them it would be the first time they've ever had to follow rules and discipline, it would change their lives. - JW, Paris, 12/8/2011 11:49" ---------------------- I can never understand this train of thought! Look at the fine history of our army, and the thankless tasks they are discharging so marvellously to this day, then ask why they should be asked to act as muscular nannies to this scum. Establish specialist prison regimes staffed by fit no-nonsense volunteer ex-service men, but don't pollute the army please.
John Smith, Birmingham (11:49). We're not all like that in Cumbria John – see my comments at 11:42 & 9:46.
I agree with so much of what is written in this article. Too many resources spent on the care of repeat offenders.
It's about time somebody pointed out to this scum that it's those 'nasty, disrespectful rich' people that are paying THEIR benefits. What's that saying about biting the hand that feeds you? If I had any say, they would get nothing.
"this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country." Yes Richard. Obviously 30 years of left-wing governments presided over by Thatcher and her neo-thatcherite successors have succeeded in destroying the social fabric. 30 years of privatisation, union bashing, slashing of public services, exacerbation of inequality, arms sales to dodgy regimes, illegal and immoral wars. And you call it left-wing social experimentation. Do you actually believe this nonsense?
All the usual apologists are out today - from Worcester to Cumbria! And it must be something in the water in Cumbria for DAVE 9.39 ,to come up with that Social Worker's old, wringing-hands stand-by, "We are all to blame" or CM BURNS 10.13, wilfully missing the fact that LJ Had reported that "many of the thieves were opportunistic, and held down proper jobs" whilst CM himself tried to claim some kudos for high-lighting this fact, which had already been mentioned anyway! Dave and CM should venture out from their nice, leafy part of the world and speak to some of the decent, inner-city victims of their newer neighbours - such as the old-aged, long term and usually only white tenants remaining in streets of entirely immigrant, alien newcomers, whose ideas of law & order don't match the expectations required in Cumbria! So, no need to scrape around looking for excuses for these thugs! They are what they have created for themselves - a valueless, amoral underclass, we pay for!
No matter what class or sex they are, all the rioters should all be made to serve 2 years in the army. For some of them it would be the first time they've ever had to follow rules and discipline, it would change their lives.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEPRIVATION!! To hear people say that these people are deprived and are simply looting because they want what others have got makes me so mad! I consider myself to be poor, I live in a council property and care for my disabled child, whilst studying for a degree whilst trying desperately to make ends meet. I also have to wait 10 wks for my sons DLA to come through which has made me collect the grand total of £33 per wk after bills and food. Do I go around smashing windows and looting? NO! I make home cooked budget meals using cheap ingredients, buy my kids clothes from tesco and Primark and I teach my children common sense and good manners. And what I don't have I go without.Lets not kid ourselves here, these people didn't loot out of neccessity they did it out of greed and want. You didn't see people stealing any food they stole flat screens and trainers hardly a neccessity. These people have no respect and are opportunists with a complete lack of morals.
I'm glad that it was pointed out that there are some good mothers struggling against the odds in these areas. Across Britain most council estates are where hope goes to die, surrounded by addicts, thieves, and violence. Anyone working hard to improve their situation and bring up their children well, lives in fear of their neighbours! And this can be seen in small towns and villages, what hope is there for the inner cities? People are eager to blame anyone but themselves if they are unemployable, and from any perspective in society make excuses for their behaviour, hoping to avoid responsibility for their actions (from affairs, to not paying taxes, or taking drugs etc. it seems to be a human condition) and as far as the middle class looters go... it seems morality is based on whether you think you're going to get caught these days? People do know the difference between right and wrong and they make that choice.
"when youngsters see the bad behaviour of the likes of politicians, sportstars , peronalities (sic) being rewarded by reality shoes (sic) and glossy articles in celibrity (sic) glossies why should they have respect for anything" writes john pringle, newcastle upon tyne (10:01). Well apart from the lack of respect he shows for the English language what makes him think it's natural for young people, or anyone for that matter, to automatically ape the worst possible behaviour rather than the best? He must have a pretty dim view of the human race if he genuinely believes grossness excuses further grossness and the natural impulse of people is always to sink to the lowest possible level. If that were so the human race would have either destroyed itself centuries ago or existence would be a living hell. Making excuses for these inadequate dregs as he does merely encourages them to justify and continue their despicable and destructive way of life. What a totally negative attitude.
And what about the hooligans who run the banks and thieve? And the journalists who hack phones and print lies so they can make money and the poiticos who thieve from the public - including our Dave who had spent £650 thousand on Downing Street and given NO explanation on why it was spent or on what it was spent - even after a Freedom of Information request?!! All this 'celebrity culture' which so grumbled about is encouraged by the Press ( including the D.M.) more than anybody else. As for flip flop Dave doing anything but sound bites a la Blair - pleeeeeeaze! Wake up - the man is an idiot who has NEVER had a real job in his life. I am 74 and don't remember such a bunch wankers in charge - ever!!
Norman, Blackpool: We have not had a Labour government for 30 years, so some of the problems we have now canno't entirely blamed on New Labour. We had 18 years of Conservative policies before that. Remember the poll tax, the hospitals closing down, the riots under Thatcher, high unemployment and 2 major economic crisis between 1979 and 1997? It was not all perfect, was it? I am no fan of New Labour (I hate their attempt to blame the riots on Tory cuts) but just explain to me what role model these thugs have, when looking at our wonderful establishment? The MPs with their expense scandal and who got away with it? The Bankers who are the biggest thieves around and are already awarding themselves bonuses again? the media and police caught in the hacking scandal? Melanie forgot to mention all of this, conveniently. And by the way, its was New Labour who created ASBOS, which is hardly a liberal policy. The Conservatives want to abolish them.
And just who are the politicians envious of when they fiddle their expenses? A fine, moral example they set to the rest of the population.
"In most cases, their mothers are stuck in front of daytime television or are out on the game to feed their drugs habit." Who the hell do you think YOU are stereotyping single mothers in this way? Do you know, Margaret Thatcher was famous for her quotes so note the following: Quote: "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
Harman and her cronies in the Labour party encouraged the dependency culture - I think it was large-scale gerrymandering to predispose these people to vote Labour, just as they did with the whole-scale immigration the british people did not need or want. While she's at it maybe she can tell us why she and her party initated such flagrant discrimination against men - in the courts, family courts, and elsewhere ?
Harman and Co should have been made to go and stand in the street when bricks and glass were being thrown. Their Feminist bigotry their 'some more equal than others' policies and their general lack of a grip on reality are all to blame for the creation of an underclass. The idea that the creation of a predominently Male underclass was not deliberate is far from the truth.
Given all this happened quite close where you are supposed to live, I would have expected some front line commentary. However is just like you are making judgements from a great distance.
Yet more evidence that you don’t live in the real world. The job market is dire, of course there are always vacancies but there are many more applicants for each position. Pretending otherwise is either ignorance or intentionally misleading your readers to make a political point. To pretend the riots are not related to welfare, cuts, opportunities and other social issues is naive and stupid. I don’t think there is any disagreement that the rioters are scum and all the bad things you say are correct, the only argument is what can be done about it – what proportion of carrot and what proportion of stick. The sooner we start to discuss social issues like reasonable adults the sooner progress can be made. Littlejohn, you certainly don’t help.
Wow, a DM writer who makes sense and tells it as it is. Now lets get these messages across to the thickos in Westminster.
I lived on the roughest council estate & sadly you could tell which family's children would grow up to be a scourge on society even before these children were born. It's a never ending cycle. Giving teachers more powers or doubling sentences will not change anything. The cycle of 24/7 bad influence, non-education and dreadful role models need to be broken . Perhaps National Service where a trade is learned and an environment given where the majority have aspirations and values could work. This would even help the country. Sadly, this 'Jeremy Kyle' underclass has now been increased with the importation of a massive immigrant underclass. **On a side note, I was baying for blood, but the sight of uneducated youths dawn raided by police for opportunist steeling of a t-shirt does not sit well when bankers & MPs steal thousands with no address. It gives justice a Victorian feel of inequality which should also be looked at or I see even more trouble ahead!
Mike, there are no cuts *whatsoever*. Government spending will be higher by the end of this government. Cutting the deficit is simply cutting the rate at which the debt grows. Please understand this before commenting, otherwise you're just wasting everybody's time..
they are bored unemployable benefit dependant low lifes who live on nasty estates having been reared if you can loosely call it that, by single mums of the same ilk.console yourselves good people of this fine land with the fact that how crap must their life be if they have to riot and loot to get a new trackie and trainers from jjb? pour yourself a glass of wine lock the gates to keep out the peasants and feel happy that their life will never ever be anything but crap.off to cornwall for a break tonight can't wait to see all the public school yobs on the beach will be a nice change.yobs with breeding.ha.
As usual, a straight talking cut to the chase article by the excellent Littlejohn. But the most sensible comment I've heard this week came from a man in the audience on Question Time (11/10/08) who suggested that the looters be put to work cleaning up the communities they've just trashed. If they were given apprenticeships and taught practical skills like building, carpentry and so on might they not start to take pride in themselves as people who actually have something to contribute? You can't just say that they're lost with no hope of change, end of story, you have to DO something to help change them.. Otherwise, it's just going to happen again and we'll all suffer. Over to you Government - more prison cells? - or a serious rethink about what can be done? - Sue, Sheffield, 12/8/2011 10:16 Apprenticeships for looters? Reward looting with a job opportunity? What about all the poor, working class kids who didn't riot? How about putting them at the front of the queue.
agree with all you have said, Richard-even made me laugh about 'the flying rat' and 'mork & mindy'! god knows we need a laugh after what we have witnessed the last few days-the thing that bothers me most after this has died down, and it will, will anything change? I doubt it.
DM headlines...........The middle class 'rioters' revealed: The millionaire's daughter, the aspiring musician and the organic chef all in the dock ..........strange, these people aren't hoodies from a gang?
Well done Richard, for such an inaccurate report. You have totally blamed the whole of the riots/looting being done by unemployed, youths, so where in your most upto date report is the employed, homeowning, over 24's rioters/looters? I totally agree all that has happened is out of order and all should be punished but atleast as a journalist be neutral and not one sided. For those of you that think we should put them in the Armed Forces, why would the Armed Forces want thugs?
Now THIS is the time I'd be up for some of Margaret Thatcher's remedies. Although she sort of started it all with the homeownership thing. Sigh. Yeah, buy the lot tvs, and the politicans their Tuscan second homes. Pay everyone off, send everyone to just chill and leave normal people alone.
Richard, writing 'cuts' instead of cuts doesn't make the cuts disappear. There really are deep cuts being made, rightly or wrongly, and even the PM is not pretending otherwise. Grow up, man.
Why don't you bother to read your own newspaper? Occasionally it has some very good stuff in it, like today's big story, with pictures, about the middle and even upper-middle class rioters who are now appearing before the courts?
By far the most intelligent and astute summary of the English Condition so far Richard. My own concern is that the various factions (who ironically, largely contributed to this mess) will not only continue with their destructive and spiraling retroactive policies, but will use recent events as more armour to embed themselves deeper into their overpaid, ivory towers. They themselves have bred this attitude of "Get as much as you can out of the system, for doing as little as humanly possibly." Our 'leaders' have shown themselves to be in the fore of this insane and parasitic trend. Amazingly, it hasn't occurred to them that this is the perfect opportunity to not only show themselves in a *genuinly* good light, but to also (incidentally) offer their nation some real respite. At this very point in time they have a golden opportunity to kick the HRAs and inept do-gooders who have created this mess, firmly in the pants, with the full support of the UK and international communities.
'As Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips have argued eloquently on these pages, this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country'.......... and the profound hypocrisy,immorality and decadence of the British ruling class!
Do we really expect anything to change? We have a feeble coalition government led by career politicos, half of which is liberal by name & even more liberal by nature. There is not a hope in hell of the major changes in policy & thinking required to bring our country back to some semblence of sanity. Even if we started now, it would take generations to undo the unholy mess consecutive governments have led us into. And all we are left with is damage limitation & quite literally, firefighting. It makes me weep.
Phew! Thanks Richard you just let off all the steam built up inside me over all this nonsense and have said all I would have liked to say. Well done and keep it up!
"These people have had the wealth and extravagance of a consumerist society they can't possibly break into shoved down their throats for the past twenty years - is it any wonder they stole from clothing and electronics shops?" This kind of comment is dangerous rubbish, which we hear all too often. There can be no excuse for crime. My parents were immigrants and I was one of six children. We lived in a terraced house with an outside toilet (which had old newspapers for toilet paper). Our "duvets" were overcoats. Clothes were hand downs. Life was a struggle but none of us would have dreamt of rioting/looting. What we did was use the free education system (still available to everyone in this country) to improve our lives. We worked hard and gained qualifications. All the children are now property owners, workers and taxpayers. In turn our children our graduates and professionals. No excuses. Anyone can succeed in this country - if they are willing to get off their backsides and work hard.
David from Cumbria you are making excuses for these scumbags. My late father born at the onset of the twentieth century had a terrible start in life but vowed to make things better for the next generation IE mine. He did this by example NOT by looting & killing
How can we move forward at all without more police, in NY one thing that really struck me was on nealry every corner I saw a policeman and it made me feel safe. We need many many more police and we need to work on the imagine of the police so we get more good, intellegent people in it. I respect the police but I have to say in my small dealings with them on vairous points asking for help or advice the attitude has left me reeling. For instance, I quickly stopped one one day asking if a van parked on double yellows had received three tickets but still parked there all day, was that a police issue...his response and tone was extremly rude, after a fire at the house next door to me, i tried to tell the police that there had been problems at the house with over crowding, anti social, again he didnt want to know, a week later one of the boys had stabbed a 34 y o man in the face on my road! They dont endear themselves at all. I thikn NYCPD has quite a cool image, but the Met!
Bring back National Service or open up some "Boot Camps" for these feral idiots. Labour policies led to a broken society, Harriett Harman spouting on about single mums, non marriage, increased benefits for all and social engineering is OK, look what effect that has on society, absolute rubbish!! David Cameron has got to match his words with action and soon!!
As usual, a straight talking cut to the chase article by the excellent Littlejohn. But the most sensible comment I've heard this week came from a man in the audience on Question Time (11/10/08) who suggested that the looters be put to work cleaning up the communities they've just trashed. If they were given apprenticeships and taught practical skills like building, carpentry and so on might they not start to take pride in themselves as people who actually have something to contribute? You can't just say that they're lost with no hope of change, end of story, you have to DO something to help change them.. Otherwise, it's just going to happen again and we'll all suffer. Over to you Government - more prison cells? - or a serious rethink about what can be done?
If young people are left in a state of poverty and hopelessness by the state, this sort of thing is BOUND to happen. I am not condoning the riots, but they simply underpin the fact that the underclass have had enough. If looting is good enough for the MPs and bankers, then it's good enough for the poorest in society as well.
Oh well, I suppose the previous fairly reasonable article was a fluke then given we're back to full-on cobblers today. Richard has (unsurprisingly) clearly missed the reports on the BBC and Channel 4 that show many of the looters were well educated, fairly well off opportunists with an average age over 20 (some as old as middle age), and has just written about who he would like to think did it instead. Still, that explains why he has a dig at the Beeb and C4 - how inconvenient for him to have it made known that it wasn't just chav kids. And what a surprise - at the end we get a plea for yet more cuts (read: I want to pay even less tax than I dodge my way out of paying most of now), and policies that bully people into fitting into a convenient template. I.e. his answer to all this selfishness and greed? Selfishness and greed. Still, at least he gives us a clue it's all unresearched gibberish - he's used the words "Melanie Phillips" and "eloquent" in the same line.
Well Richard you have to be pretty dim not to know who/what types these news channels employ !.I dont know why we even pay for them considering we know all that .The answer to these people is MAKE THEM WORK LIKE THE REST OF SOCIETY IF YOU WANT TO EAT AND PAY YOUR BILLS YOU HAVE TO WORK .TOP THEM UP A LITTLE TO A WAGE IF NEED BE BUT MAKE SURE THEY ARE GLAD TO BE HOME AT NIGHT.Simples really.(to use the overused word again)
Well spoken Richard - you say it how it is and how we wish we could all say it. The ignorant always blame those who have bothered to do something with their lives. As you say none of them looked under fed, poorly dressed, they just don't have any priorities in life other than themselves. Punish the parents, where it hurts, in their wallets (drink/drug/bling money fund.) However as we have found out it is the rich too. Money doesn't buy class as has been said many times.
Richard, were you born on a council estate, have you ever lived on a council estate or do you know anyone who lives on a council estate? I lived on one in the late 70's/80's. Most of the residents were employed in the local factories. Sometimes both parents worked in the same factories but worked an alternate shift. People worked overtime when they could and local businesses thrived. There was a real pride on my estate. Summer fete's and Christmas parties were paid for from money put aside by these workers. There was a morality amongst the people that I haven't seen recently in the Palace of Westminster. As soon as these factories closed, leaving hundreds out of work, in the mid-eighties, (owners could make even more money if they transferred production overseas) the horrific effects became apparent and within a generation the area was destroyed. It was greed which closed these factories and it is greed that caused the recent looting. One form is punished in law; the other not
This was not envy get real, it was destruction, robbery and violence at its best something for nothing, having a go at soceity, the police were targets, if the police used rubber bullets and tear gas these cowards would have run home, like frightened rabbits.
Why do you ruin your articles with the odd sweeping fictional comment. Most of these kids mums are on the game? What a stupid thing to say.
Every time I read an article by Richard Littlejohn I just want him to be our Prime Minister- every sentence he ever says is true.... he has all the qualities needed for the job, and can definitely be trusted and believed, this country has been crying out for a leader like him for decades! Richard is a man with more common sense than all the M.Ps put together for a long time, i.m sorry to say.
Grow up Littlejohn
Richard never fails to put in words just how i feel!! Keep up the good work Richard you are the true voice not just of the DM readers, but of the UK in general!! PS just imagine this country if we all all had DM values, it would be the best in the world!!
when youngsters see the bad behavior of the likes of politicians, sportstars ,peronalities ,being rewarded by reality shoes and glossy articles in celibrity glossies,why should they have respect for anything.
Anyone see the BBCs response to the riots by airing on Question Time the views of that horrendous individual Prescott and a liberal leftie woman dressed like a chartacter from the Wizard of OZ - John, Leeds, 12/8/2011 8:53 Ooh how shocking - fancy Question Time having panelists with a variety of views. And where was the cabinet minister? No-one would agree to appear so we were left with the political has-been David Davis. I thought the article itself fine, apart from the usal and predictable anti BBC bias. I've watched coverage of the looting on BBC, ITV and Channel 4 and all seemed much the same to me to be honest and none sympathised with the rioters beyond interviewing some people who may have had a different opinion toyour average DM reader or columnist.
- Carly, Kent, 12/8/2011 08:57 Your absolutely right, I could see the exact same behaviour in out street. The kids and parents have no self respect and regularly broke their own windows, trashed the garden sold drugs from the house acted like complete and
Great piece RL, for me this is all about the infantilisation of large swathes of the population mainly the ones in nanny state defined victim groups. A nanny must have children to look after otherwise she is out of a job so they must be permanently kept in a childlike state with nanny doing everything for them. No one must tell the children off or say anything bad about them, bad behavior is rewarded and agencies which would normally keep the children under control ie police, courts, teachers and fathers are treated as criminals and threatened with loss of their jobs or their liberty if they do anything which nanny disapproves of. Now that the nanny has being voted out we are seeing the children throwing a massive tantrum, if we cave into them now (as Labour are still desperately trying to do) we will regret it forever. Putting Harman on trial for her part in this would be a good place to start the fightback.
As usual Richard a very true to life article and right to the point. Until this Government get a grip on these gangs thing will never change.... Also the Human Rights Brigade and the do gooders stop interfering and let the people that know what they are doing and are trained for the job do it.
We have the same fear here in America, our Repulicans bow down to the media and liberal demands, Nothing gets done...I hope you guys get yourselves out of the mess liberarls have created...we are just starting on our mess. I hope we do not need a riot, but we have seen beatings across the country of those from a particular sect of society on those who they think have. It's time to corral these idiots and their care-takers and say shut-up, sit-down, get an education! Then tell me how working 12 hours a day doesn't build a person. I work those hours...worry about my kids when I am gone, but I have a Husband who takes part in raising our children. He's gone also for 12 hours a day, after I get home, I sleep when the kids sleep -wake when they wake. Do what needs to be done and play with them all at the same time. It can be done, if you want to build a family and a life for yourselves and you children. Work isn't the worse thing to do, laziness is!
Richard, I dont know why you still support Cameron, Up to now he has been a clone of Blair, man of talk and no action, promises the world and delivers nowt. 2 months down the line this lot will be forgotten. By the way, we should have some new games for the olympics, 200 yard relay with a plasma. Substitute the hammer with a petrol bomb. With a gold medal to the winner, we would win hands down.
Good article, but "So itÂ’s hardly surprising that instead of clubbing these looters like baby seals, which is what they deserved," is a horrible simile. Baby seals are innocent creatures which are being killed by greedy humans. The greedy humans of this particular article certainly deserve to be clubbed.
FYI Richard, it was Nanu Nanu...
The destructive force that is liberal politics is like a multi-headed Hydra, insinuating it's way into every strand and strata of our lives. It isn't going to work, just lopping off one head at a time, Dave needs to go for the belly of the beast. Kill off the Human Rights, (without responsibilities) Act and take back control of our country!
During a radio discussion this morning on the recent city riots not surprisingly the question of education was raised, particularly with reference to young afro-Caribbeans. One of the speakers actually said we need to make education “more cool” in order to interest them!! I nearly hurled the set out of the window. The answer from those whose attitudes have been responsible for the worst riots in modern British history was not only just “more of the same” but let's make it even worse. Education is not meant to be “cool”. It is an essential requirement of a civilised society. The facts that these fools can even think of using these two words in the same sentence truly makes me despair.
Agree with every word Richard - though I do feel you were very lenient on Ms Harman, that woman has me at screaming pitch - and I'm such a quiet person normally. Bring back slapping of kids, cuffs round the ears from police, put canes back into classrooms, and instill discipline and tough love into kids.
It's not really about the "politics of envy" at all, but the "politics of perceived ENTITLEMENT". We live in a time where the individual is promoted above all else - certainly above the wider community - and there is an almost universal belief that the individual has an absolute right to whatever they want. We see this impatient, grasping self-centredness across the whole of society, from the something-for-nothing looters grabbing "free stuff" at one end, to sharp-elbowed parents lying and cheating to fiddle their kids into the 'right' schools at the other. This nasty, brattish sentiment of 'me-me-me' has poisoned our national psyche, and 'permits' people to behave abominably in pursuit of whatever it is they want, whether they're being rude to shop assistants and waiting staff, or grabbing TVs from a smashed-up Curry's - it's all symptomatic of the 'me-me-me' malaise (and nothing to do with poverty, as it turns out that a fair number of those looters are in reasonably paid jobs).
It is time, to send the convicted looters and riot-meisters to East Africa for two year stretches, equipped with shovels they'd be going on a benefit's free tour where they are required to put in an 8-10 hour day digging wells, irrigation ditches and latrines to improve the lives of the locals. They'd be fed on refugee rations and given water, there would be no TV, no X-boxes, no mobile phones, no handcuffs required either. To get home, they'd need 730 days of completed work stamped on their card and for this they'd get thier passport back and a ticket to return tot he country or their origin, meaning only UK citizens would return to the UK, illegals caught up would be returning to thier own place of origin. With the possibility of a 5 year sentence for reoffending and committing any serious offence, I believe we would see an almost zero rate of reoffending. The benefits of this are that you don't need prison spaces, there is almost no cost to the state compared to other punishments
Why are cuts in scare quotes Richard? They are very real.
Yet again the voice of truth. However, David C will not grab this small window of opportunity to give the police thier teeth back. All he mutter's on about are community leaders. Ok so we have had those individuals for a while and it did not appear to help this week. The majority of the country are sickened, awakened and alarmed. They want a harsh response. Being an elected politician means you should in theory listen to your constituants, so I hope they halt political dogma and actually open thier ears. When will our leaders recognize these yobs are not scared of police and the courts.
Richard, i worked in the police in the UK for five years, before moving to sunnier climes in Australia to work in the police. This piece of journalism is the first report i have read in many years which accurately articulates the issues with the underclass in the UK, you have hit the nail on the head. When i was policing in the UK i always worked in rough areas in a big city. However, what kept me going in these difficult working environments was the belief that by doing what i was doing, and rolling around with these feral's, i was protecting decent people elsewhere in the city. My point of 'agnoriasis' was working a fireworks festival. My duty was to try and keep some space open so paramedics and firemen could pass through and provide assistance to members of the public. I recieved absolute dogs abuse from ordinary members of the public, and these were the people i had been placing myself in harms way to protect. I then realized i was wasting my time, and moved elsewhere.
The kind of hooligan seen throwing petrol bombs at the police and climbing through the front window of Currys to liberate 42 inches of hi-def, surround-sound home entertainment isnÂ’t interested in a law-abiding, nine-to-five existence. Most of them donÂ’t get up before midday, except on the mornings they have to sign on the dole. TheyÂ’d rather live on benefits or the proceeds of gang crime. Richard, I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know these things to be true? Answer you don't. These comments represent your prejudices. The truth is that you know nothing of the lives of these people. Neither do I. In fact I doubt if few or any newspaper journalist, columnist, police, scial worker, politician, religious leader do. Whether we like it or not these people are our fellow British citizens, they are a product of our society. We are all responsible.
Thanks Richard, for saying it as it is. In the thick of all the despair of anarchy the Labour Party found room to gloat on what they perceive as their popularity with Harriet Harman bleeting on about how Boris and Clegg were booed whilst Miliband of the Ed variety was cheered in Peckham. No doubt, the Labour Party had made sure he was surrounded by activists. Britain has lost it's way by the incessant promotion of people who have achieved NOTHING being called celebrities and paid barrels of dosh for flashing their boobs, singing badly or generally doing nothing but just being there. Most young people now aspire to GETTING a millionaire's lifestyle instead of EARNING it. Parents are not allowed to discipline their children, teachers are not allowed to discipline the pupils, prisoners are provided with every modcon and the goverment is hampered with the Human Rights Law. It's a lose, lose situation. I hope Mr Cameron has the grit to turn it round he's got the support of the people.
Littlejohn's blaming the so-called underclass, while the Mail's main story is about middle class rioters. Make your minds up!
Well done Richard - two columns on the trot where you use incisive comments to say what the average man and woman in the street are thinking. I had stopped reading your columns that descended into parody and childish re-working of songs - keep going back to your roots, for all our sakes.
Mark of Leeds. Pompous - you? Never read such self righteous twaddle. Get off your moral high horse and see things for what they are - mindless yobs (wherever they come from). There - I've said it in six words.
This attitude of 'entitlement' does not wash with me. Learn the work ethic, and learn self respect.. shame on those comfortably watching those stolen plasma tv's. NO morals or conscience
My father like a lot of brave men was killed in WW11, we were in married quarters at the time and were subsequently evicted because my father was no longer in the army. We moved into a two bedroom pre-fab, the main bedroom had a mattress on the floor with some blankets ( my mothers room ) the second bedroom where I and my brother slept was similarly furnished. The living room had a wooden table with 4 chairs. After struggling to care for us my mother eventually had a breakdown and was put into a mental hospital,this was about 1946/7 I never saw her again until 1964 she then died a year later. In the mean time I spent a year in a care home and then went to a sea training school and at the age of 14 went to sea in the merchant navy. I finnished up in a managers position. The reason for this is to point out to those useless social workers and so called deprivd children that they dont know what derivation is. If I had my way I would hang everyone of these little B******ds .
Even more galling than Harman was Darcus Howe on BBC Five Live comparing this week's events to the American Civil Rights movement. Why the BBC tolerate this kind of madness is something only they can answer. We live in a culture where rights NOT responsibility are celebrated. We have Harman, Prescott, Cherie Blair et al to thank for that.
"The babyfathers are long gone, if they ever hung around in the first place. In most cases, their mothers are stuck in front of daytime television or are out on the game to feed their drugs habit." ++++++ This is an outrageously broad brush stroke. I see it's not only the rioters that are ignorant people!!!!
Richard, unfortunately everything you say is right, many have wondered how we ever got to this, and after reading yours, Melanie Phillips. and Max Hastings view on things, they should ALL be in no doubt. What we have seen this week makes decent people ashamed to call themselves British.
You say you are "outraged" about Labour making political capital out of the riots and then yourself do exactly the same in a rant against the Labour party and the "left wing". I could read an equally one sided article in the Guardian blaming right wing policies, Thatcher's "no such thing as society" ideology, capitalistic greed displayed by bankers and politicians et al. The answer to our social problems wont be provided by right wingers such as 'Mad' Mel and Littlejohn or left wingers like Livingstone or Polly Tonybee, but by more rational and considered minds who represent fair minded moderates who make up the majority of the country. The BBC has reported the news without bias, the fact that it shows various viewpoints which may not go down well with either left or right shows it is doing a good job! Up to now, Cameron has correctly identified areas such as gang culture (nothing to do with Tory or Labour policies) which can be targetted as they have successfully done in Glasgow.
This has all been a plan for 30 years ! How are drugs getting into the uk? This liberal claptrap was fed to us as freedom and democracy!!! all its done is empowered kids sexualised kids and totally destroyed our culture, these gangs have been stabbing and kicking people to death for years!! Its a wake up call and if no-one ceases this chance to move forward from this and toughen up on crime this God Forsaken country really is going to hell in a cart.......
Labours legacy - and they're probably PROUD of what they've done to the country. But just like these yobs, they'll blame someone else for their actions.
I think that this excellent article, along with Max Aitken's and Melanie Phillips should be sent to every single cabinet Minister and their Shadows. Since they mostly seem to be out of touch (especially Labour) with what the true feelings are of the ordinary people in this country they just might inspire some spark in them to get them up off their well cushioned backsides, and start putting this country back into shape. Starting with the Human Rights Farce.
With all the trouble in this country and with our Government, hopefully, doing very important work to sort out our countless problems, did anyone else notice David Dimbleby's sad little attempt to criticise the Government as they had failed to supply someone from the cabinet to take part in his rather tatty little programme, which is just a shadow of its former self, thanks for the chairmanship of the aforesaid Mr. Dimbleby, who is far too big for his boots.
Great stuff Richard, can we now start calling all this the "Harmanisation of Society" ?
steve jones, denbigh wrote "WHY IS IT WE ALL READ LJ'S COLUMN WE ALL AGREE WITH HIM HE IS SPOT ON , HE WRITES WHAT ALL NORMAL PEOPLE ARE THINKING." You're wrong on two counts: only a minority agree with him, and he writes what uneducated, simple-minded people are thinking. Although those people probably do think they're 'normal'.
Richard, did you notice yesterday all Labours old dogs were first to ask the questions to Cameron. Jack Straw, wasn't he once the home secretary who brought us the human rights act, (please check this out) then Keith Vas, Gerald Kaufman, Tony Lloyd, Hazel Blears. Every time big event like hacking and riots debates they wheel them out. I notice Ed Balls kept quiet, our once great Education Secretary what a mess he made in that position, standards were raised not, less discipline at school I seem to remember (check that out). Harmen was there nodding here head every two minutes to Milliband. She is an absolute disgrace to this country. ASBO's was this brought up yesterday ? PCO's where have they been this week. ? Two other policies Labour brought in whilts trying to run the country.
There's silly old me thinking that the riots were about the killing of some gangstar and not government cuts. The funny thing is, some of these little gangstar/rappers will be in their happy clappie church this Sunday playing the part of the goods boys their mums all think there are.
So "Greed is Good " how is that working out for everybody now then. Why not punish them in the same way as those people who looted our pockets to pay for duck houses and second homes, or for big fat banking bonuses.
That fella with the balaclava has obviously used it before. Lowlife scum. deal with them as they would deal with us, mercilessly.
To equate to Harriet - we live with her legacy for many many years - may I add Diane Abbott who also went on TV to say - "we only ever have riots when the tories are in power..!" - completely avoiding that these children and their lifestyles, work ethic and attitudes of 'equality' (I want what they have without working) are the consequence of 13 years of Labour
"this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country" - for the first 9 years of that period, our Prime Minister was the well-known Left-winger Margaret Thatcher, and for 7 years after that we had the equally socialist John Major. Why not admit that it isn't only the Left who are to blame for the mess we're in? None of our politicians really has a clue how to solve these problems.
As usual the article is spot on. However, I wont hold my breath that anything will get done about it. We will have all the usual talk and analysis followed by public inquiry costing miillions, then it will be back to the usual carry on. What all us decent folk would like to see is the lot of them herded together by the army and then shot
WHY IS IT WE ALL READ LJ'S COLUMN WE ALL AGREE WITH HIM HE IS SPOT ON , HE WRITES WHAT ALL NORMAL PEOPLE ARE THINKING SO WHY DO THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT . - steve jones, denbigh, 12/8/2011 08:37________________________________________________________________I totally agree Steve
And yet the lead article in the same paper stresses how many well off young people were involved. Not really envy at all was it? Don't you people talk to each other?
The youts dont wanna work. Do you get me bruv innit.
Another spot-on article, Richard. I just hope someone told Boris that his brush is the wrong way up...!
Instead of recalling Parliament they should recall the SKOOLS in these areas. But then the teechers wouldn't be bothered to turn up would they?
Thanks Richard for telling the truth once again. I live and work in an area where I am surrounded by people who don't work and won't work. The politicians in this country and the people running the media, largely don't see what actually goes on. People claiming poverty but dressed in £60 tracksuits I can't afford to buy for my teenage son, clutching iPhones and Blackberrys and walking past my house every night with a big crate of lager on their shoulders. They don't want to work and why should they, life's too easy.
Michael Gove totally destroyed Harriet Harman's claim that Tory cuts were the cause of the riots on Newsnight on Tuesday evening. Harman's version was parrotted out by Naughty on the Wednesday morning Today program, and Gove's repudiation was not even mentioned. On Wednesday evening the Newsnight program broadcast Harman's version with no adverse comment from gavin Esler, and again Gove's rebuttal was ignored. Until that point, Esler who is a public servant paid out of viewers' licence payments, had deliberately distorted the truth. On Thursday evening's Newsnight program, the BBC stood on its head and ran interviews with people living in riot areas and in every case they rebutted Harman's statement. Harman tried to make political capital out of riots. Harman continually interrupted Gove in an attempt to stop him making his case and Esler allowed it. He has disgraced the BBC and he should be sacked.
I canÂ’t get away from a sense that, like Max and Melanie, you write with glee: not righteousness, not vindication, but pleasure. The truth is, things are infinitely more complex than your caricatures paint them; like all caricatures, they use a broad brush, through a combination of wilful myopia & lacking the intelligence needed to paint with a finer one. It leads, across the political spectrum, to a mixture of false dichotomies & false conflations, & helps no-one. The communities you demonise so blithely include those who engage in reprehensible criminality; they also include the likes of Tariq Jahan, whose integrity & humanity makes you, myself, & most of us, look very silly indeed. Your community includes the same: all communities do. People are not the cardboard cutouts you wish them to be. I donÂ’t know the answer. I donÂ’t think there is one. But there might be a dozen, which together may lead us slowly, imperfectly, forward. You, though, will do nothing but harm.
Seagulls are not flying rats, they are a beautiful animal and it is only right that we should rescue any that are in distress! Choice? Drowning hoodie or seagull caught in net?...Seagull! Let the real rat drown!
Yes, the rioters bear ultimate responsibility for their own actions, but just look at the situation we've allowed to develop in this age of extreme free market post-thatcherite politics: A barely literate underclass whose job prospects have become even bleaker; a media that bombards us with incessant consumerism; television shows that promote an ethos of instant fame on a daily basis and a wage structure that awards footballers more in a week than the average person can hope for in a whole lifetime. And you're telling me that if you let these factors build up you can sit idly by still hope for of an idyllic Edwardian English summer?
I'm really sick of some people saying that these underclasses act as they do because they are so deprived etc. Let me tell you a story. Almost 28 years ago i was friendly with a Greek family who had been living and working in Africa. The mother came to work with me and we became friends. When they came here they were immediately given a flat in Stockwell which i visited one day. I was completely amazed at how lovely her modern duplex apartment was, it put my own (owned) home to shame. It was on an award winning estate just around the corner from the tube station. Now here is the point of the story, that estate was trashed by the very people living there. The walkways were turned into no go areas. These people are not put into bad places, they just trash them themselves. Same with the schools. They build lovely new shiny acadamies with dedicated teaching staff and they trash them too. I'm fed up with people making out it's the other way around.
"Why not just cut out the middle man and buy them all a nice flat-screen TV, instead." Most of the flat-screen TVs being robbed will be destined for eBay, since most of the unemployed already have the latest in digital technology.
Whenever events such as Toxteth or Broadwater Farm or the recent riots occur there is a huge clamour for new draconian law or arming the police or calling in the Army. Non of which is necessary. The laws exist to deal with the situation, if necessary fire arms have always been available, note if necessary, all that is required is the political will to use the law as it has been laid down for years. The problem has arisen thanks to external legislation from the EU that is incompatible. Generally speaking British law is based on common sense, the common law and precedent and this allows a degree of flexibility I would suggest. The introduction of EUHR legislation over UK law brings in a straight jacket of interpretation loved by the liberal left and welcomed by every illegal immigrant and potential fraudster and malingerer in the UK.
Bravo Richard!
I didn't see many of these poor downtrodden "victims"looting the supermarkets, apart from the booze & cigarette sections of course.P.S. I wonder if anyone will be returning these designer clothes to the shops to exchange them for the correct size?If I was a shop owner, I'd refuse,I'd only give them a store credit note,that'll teach them.
I was a witness at the Old Bailey in the mid 70s when I overheard a barrister telling the gang of youths that the reason they had targeted old ladies for robbery was that they were Black, Unemployed, parents divorced, lived in council houses. Only one was aged 17 and the others were between 12 and 16. it was a very publicised case at the time. These excuses are still being used. Another thing about telling off children is that they rule the roost and you cannot dicipline them. A friend of mine had to stop his 15 yr old from attacking his mother after being told she will not give him any money. He had to grab him and throw him out of the front door. The outcome was that my friend was arrested and charged with assault. He was bound over for a year. That is why with the police and social workers butting in when the child is in the wrong parents do nothing for fear of breaking the LAW.
Anyone see the BBCs response to the riots by airing on Question Time the views of that horrendous individual Prescott and a liberal leftie woman dressed like a chartacter from the Wizard of OZ
I am afraid that this is a rather cynical and un-informed view by someone who has little real knowledge and understanding of the real world. The reason that these events have taken place is because we have created a society of "me first". We present our youth with exemplars of so called celebrities whose only attributes are that they are handsome, pretty or badly behaved. We have politicians who fiddle expenses; people with money flaunting it in the faces of those who have not; bankers who bring down countries and business which thrusts consumerism as the new god. We need a society which measures people by what they contribute rather than what they have; a society which is seen to care rather than a society which sees might is right and offers outmoded solutions to new problems. We are all responsible, because we let it happen, we destroyed discipline in schools; we allowed our voices to be lost and we sold our souls to the free market of consumerism. We can fix it.
Ah, that's more like it Littlejohn. Not one chink of appeasement, not one word of reproach against 'right wing' groups that opens the door for every apologist to blame the inconsequential BNP or EDL, just straight forward finger pointing at the Feral Class that is eating our country like a cancer. More importantly, sine you write a regular column, as do Melanie and Max, please do not divert one second from closing down the opportunities of our Liberal Appeasing Class who have successfully hijacked control of the UK even more than the Feral Class to return to their misguided idea of 'normality'. Just keep on working to reclaim our country from the Liberal Elite and the Feral Class.
Rescuing the seagull is the sanest story I've heard this week- I much prefer that we save seagulls than give another second's consideration to those thieving, rioting scumbags.
Nothing whatsoever to do with the 'politics of envy'. Just plain old greed. The politics of greed being acceptable (desirable even), grabbing everything for oneself and looking after number one. The ethos of competing with, not co-operating with, one's neighbour? The idea that life is all about the stuff you have and the money you accrue? Now remind me, when did that start and under which administration? Hmmmm... All 'New Liebour' did was pick up the Thatcherite baton and run with it, allowing greed and materialism to run riot (pun intended). A bankrupt, sociopathic ideology which has caused untold harm to our society. Ooops! Sorry - my mistake. There's no such thing as society, is there - just individuals acting in their own best interests. Just like those looters were doing, strangely enough.
At long last someone who sees it for what it really is like the rest of us decent hard working citizens of this once glorious nation. Bring back national service and send them for training to Afghanistan. Richard Littlejohn I salute you and please put your self forward for government you will having my backing. Labour has brought our country to it's knees and made us a laughing stock through out the world. His cuts may be hard, but David Cameron will bring us out of this and hopefully re-instate the morals, pride and sense of community that once made us the envy of the world.
Jackanory Scotland.... if you want a straight talking politician, don't look farer than Nigel Farage.
Britain can never be put right until the Left's domination of news and current affairs via the BBC is ended. There can be no doubt now that the BBC has a left agenda which it pushes relentlessly on these programmes, night after night. The Licence Fee must be ended. Joseph Goebbles would entirely approve of the BBC's methods, if not its politics.
we keep hearing the same old story the parents dont know where their kids are when most of the time the parents dont know where they are that high or should we say parent singular they say they want more money if they got say another 50 quid a week after a couple of months its back to square one if they were in a youth club and heard there was a riot down the road they would go and join in i think the only way out of poverty is education.
Well said Richard, I am at this time watching Pickles on Sky News saying these riots are pure greed,GREED,thats rich coming from an MP.
I totally agree about the BBC. More than once, I have looked at the TV screen with yet another interview with a liberal do-gooder bleating about the poor, down trodden youth of today with no hope and no prospects or a masked looter blaming the police and "savage" government cuts for the fact that he's out helping himself to a new 42" TV. I also remember how the police were "Scarmanised" after the 1981 Brixton and Toxteth riots and reports since telling them that they are institutionally racist and that they must try harder to engage with ethnic minorities. We see Harman and Livingstone excusing the rioters' behaviour by blaming government cuts, forgetting that most of the same rioters grew up under a Labour government. I would have liked a BBC interviewer to point that out but it was a forlorn hope.
"Have you met any of the 'decent mums on some of these estates', or was it too much of a climb down from your ivory tower? Meet these people, experience what their lives are like, and then maybe you can reinforce your claim that they have everything they need. - Oliver, Rossendale, Lancashire, 12/8/2011 07:38" -- our soft-touch benefits system means that no-one starves or has to sleep on the streets anymore, unless they want to, of course. Mybe if these people wanted to improve their livces they should start by looking in the mirror? Then again, it's easier to blame someone else for your lot in life than get off your backside and do something about it, isn't it?
It says everything that I have been watching the Bloomberg Financial channel over the past four days in order to cheer myself up. Better to watch Greece, Italy and the financial markets in the poo as opposed to watching the English part of the UK go down the swanny! Possibly the best paragraph from RL this year was - ‘Ed Miliband may have made a few of the right noises, but he can’t help looking like a teenage rioter whose mum has made him put on a suit for his court appearance’. Personal standards and your sub editors preclude me from making comment on Harman or Livingstone, and dare I say of Boris that he really needs to understand there are times for gravitas unless that is unknown to us that he had made a suggestion of how to use the brush with regard to Harriet and Ken.
WHY IS IT WE ALL READ LJ'S COLUMN WE ALL AGREE WITH HIM HE IS SPOT ON , HE WRITES WHAT ALL NORMAL PEOPLE ARE THINKING SO WHY DO THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT .
"According to sources at White Hart Lane, Spurs have signed a new striker this week: Grabatelli." And I'll bet he runs riot. :-) Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2025021/UK-riots-2011-The-politics-envy-bound-end-flames.html#ixzz1UnX1laS9
The best article written so far about these morons. The truth hurts though so Littlejohn will come under fire from the lefties
Says Littlejohn: "Many of those who have already appeared in court are opportunist thieves who hold down proper jobs." + "The kind of hooligan seen throwing petrol bombs at the police and climbing through the front window of Currys to liberate 42 inches of hi-def, surround-sound home entertainment isnÂ’t interested in a law-abiding, nine-to-five existence. Most of them donÂ’t get up before midday, except on the mornings they have to sign on the dole." Get a grip, Littlejohn. So are many in jobs, presumably 9-5 [-ish, at least] or is the average a dole bludger? Make up your mind and then re-think parts of your diatribe.
Have only just read the first part of your column but i felt compelled to comment as i have been close to either putting a brick through my TV or smashing my computer. I am SO angry at the almost uniterrupted airtime that Harriet Harman has been given to spout her usual rubbish, also interviewing some of the perpertraitors as if they are victims. So sick also of hearing so called physcologists and community spokesmen blaming everyone but themselves. GRRRRRRRRRR !
What Harman and Livingston like to forget like all labour politicians is the past and nearly all those morons in the riots vandalising, looting and burning property were raised and educated under their labour government so the cuts which are only just taking place are a small part of the problem it's her and her parties years of mollycoddling bone idle parents and with record numbers leaving school illiterate under labour which is the real problem.
if you dont pay tax you dont get a vote ! only taxpayers and pensioners get to vote. why should people who do not contribute have a say in the running of the country ? oh ! and let scotland have independence so our english parliament is not home to their 41 odd labour seats. this law abidding english tax payer wants england back !!!
sorry i should have said that pensioners get the vote as well :) my mistake. sorry to all the pensioners :)
"...thereÂ’s no lack of job vacancies, itÂ’s just that theyÂ’ve all been filled by hard-working Eastern Europeans attracted here after Labour tore up BritainÂ’s border controls." You can't have it both ways Littlejohn - either there are lots of job vacancies or there aren't.
Didn't we have a Law that prevented people from wearing hoods?
It is a shame to generalise everybody from the Underclasses as there are good and bad in all colours, creeds and classes. Have a look at those that ended up in Court and it was not just the feral young of feral parents? There were the feral middle-agers, the offspring off millionaires and theoof spring of the middle classes. However, yes I do thoroughly agree that it has all been bought about by the ideology and actions of the left wing members of society who absolutely despise what put the Great into Britain and sought to destroy it. We reap what we sow.
I agree that part of the root cause is envy. Footballers, celebs, gangsta rappers - all appear to have idilic lives and mountains of money without having to do much for it. These people are one of the worst influences on the yobs who want it all but have no intention of working for it.
Brilliant article, can't disagree with a word of it. The scary thing is that there will be those who do. - Ms Bee, LND, 12/8/2011 0:53 Have you or Littlejohn actually paid attention to the social make up of these rioters ? Every social class was involved in large numbers. 70% travelled into the areas involved. Stop making this a class war and pay attention to the facts.
Well said Keith!
Just one quibble, Richard. "thereÂ’s no lack of job vacancies, itÂ’s just that theyÂ’ve all been filled by hard-working Eastern Europeans" If they've all been filled.......!
I doesn't really matter what politicians or the media say now. The people of this country are passed all that. The next election will hold the key to all of this. It won't be the 3 main parties who will benefit from this debacle.
If the rioters were looking for the Politics of envy they have no better examples than the Politicians,Bankers,Tax avoiders,Tax evaders,Pension fraudsters, Council wasters, and the 'Rest of it !'. The BBC apart from their ring fenced salaries which the Population pays for;only this week are broadcasting such programmes as 'Homes under the Hammer' where people are deciding whether to Buy a House for 2.5 Million or 3.5 Million,while many are Homeless some cant get on the Housing Ladder and others live in Ghettos or No Go Areas To add to this CHAOS unbridled immigration is making the Infrastructure worse. Meanwhile the vast majority are the underwriters of the National Debt,who are unskilled,unemployed,uneducated and sadly unemployable left in Ghost Towns and fed on a Diet of Alcohol,Drugs and Amphetamines the make believe World of the TV and Films which show people what they can never have,never achieve and never obtain has done the rest.With no family life explains
I also don't know why they recalled Parliament. I watched it on TV and all I heard were the usual cliches spouted by the fairly disinterested and often ill behaved mob we have as MP's.Many were obviously just posturing and trying to say the right things to impress their constituents. .As far as I'm concerned they've got rid of every deterent we had to prevent crime,i.e.corporal punishment,capital punishment,hard regimes in prisons,coppers on the beat,and have ham-strung our police with so many forms to fill in, and all the PC claptrap they've encouraged,,that they are the real guilty ones in all this !
My Dear Mr. Littlejohn: Have you ever considered becoming an M.P. I for one would vote for you sir. A straight talker who sees behind all the nonsense that these elected, frightened so called politicians are too scared to voice. Keep up the good work son.
dear sir i would like to thank the daily mail for having such good staff ie max hasting and richard littlejohn i was left howling in laughter at his article on the seagull or flying rat incident and the woman who saw a ufo more more more please it just shows how some people are truly off the planet once again thankyou
I am 77 and one thing I have noticed in my life time, is that, dicontent will continue with successive generations coming on say every ten years, untill a governing system is founded based on DEMOCRACY and JUSTICE of which neither prevail, only the idioligy of greed prevails.
Harman! Chancer! How utterly despicable to grasp for poltical mileage out of a tragic national disaster! Naive or just plain thick?
no doubting society has reached an all time low due to the looney left's wretched PC and misguided pussyfooting around the unpalatable truth but the impression I get from readers' comments is that if/when there is another election they will vote UKIP or BNP my heart sinks and I feel afraid, very afraid - what we need is this government to grow a backbone and be proactive not reactive in dealing with today's malaise
we all know that the left are to blame for this, if you are poor it's the fault of the capitalist who read the daily mail if you are gay then blame the non gays who read the daily mail if you are black then it's the fault of the whites. who read the daily mail. if that sounds ridiculous then try reading the guardian, it's columnist have been predicting and encouraging riots for years.
The fact of it all was that it was all sheer mindless, opportunist criminality; looting,theft,mugging,arson,murder to name just a few. Giving the scumbags television airtime to try and construct a sentence claiming it was all the governments fault as they sniggered in their newly stolen trainers is a complete lack of responsibility on the part of the news channels and an insult to the the victims of their arrogance. Harriet Harmon is just embarrassing masquerading as a politician with her pathetic attempt at political point scoring on Newsnight. Times change and these looters don't need to read and write to operate new technology phones, or ride a bike to escape for that matter, so the police need to change in order to combat them. How can a few men with plastic shields and batons bombarded with bricks and bottles expect to control the idiots?? It is time for the police to be armed in order to quell such disorder which will become commonplce in my opinion.
If Labour's attempts to make political capital out of this is "outrageous", what does that make this orgy of Labour-bashing? I'm pretty sure there have been Tory administrations in the last 30 or 40 years, some of them more than a tad keen on changing the way we lived. Not that I'm falling into the trap of exclusively blaming Tories: anybody who says "The problem is all because of X and the only solution is Y" is conning themselves, or everybody else. It's far more complicated than the likes of you or Ms Phillips would have us believe, and the answers are more complicated than your simplistic but inevitable return to your familiar Yuman Rights and Harman rants and tired racial stereotyping, which I correctly predicted you'd be back to sooner or later.
You should be thankful for these people along with climate change , single mothers, immigration, human rights, health and safety, single mothers and the EU... without which your raison d'être would be ???...go on I dare you :)
Totally agree RLJ, "de yoouf" as you so elegantly described them do not understand what it is like to be poor. I grow up in the sixties on a rough council estate. My farther left us when i was 12 and left us broke.With two older brothers i lived in hand me downs for most of my youth. But we went to school every day, we respected and feared the police. We respected our teachers we ate our meals together at the table as a family. And if we wanted something we went out and earned it by doing paper rounds, milk rounds ect. Bring back HARD DISCIPLINE for that's what we were brought up on.
The riots have at least shown the authorities and the police who the real enemy is. For too long they have stood back, refusing to stop the hoodies and chavs from anti-social behaviour. Why? because despite the fact half of them cant spell thier own names also they know exactly what their human rights are, also you cant get fine money out of someone on benefits. They simply wont pay. Far more easy to pick on the decent tax-paying citizen who is perhaps a few weeks behind on his tax-disc because he is having trouble putting food on the table for his kids or someone who is doing slightly more than the speed limit etc. Because, WE dont complain and WE have wages they can hit and jobs to protect and too much to lose if we dont comply. We are the cowed silent majority. But we are not the enemy, Now the police know it.
Nail. Head.
I agree with everything suggested and stated in this article. Mr Littlejohn, I think you speak for the masses. However, I must ask where the hell has Ed Balls gone? I thought he as the ex schools and childrens minister would have all the answers, but he seems to be keeping his head down for some reason. Ah, but there is a small ray of light at the end of the tunnel. The extremely clever Yvette Cooper has obviously been taking advise on appearance and dress sense from the equally clever and well presented Caroline Flint. No longer the scruffy hair style with dodgy parting and dowdy attire, yesterday Mrs Ed Balls was showing of her superb revamped hair style set off with just a touch of make-up......and didn't she look superb.......but doesn't answer the question as to the whereabouts of her old man who seems to have gone AWOL!
Bravo LJ the only journo out there who tells it like it is...Regan and Carter would not stand for this they d be in there breaking heads..its just like an episode of dads army...with Pike in charge...Most of these 'hoodies' mums are on the game watching daytime tv....when arew you running for PM ?
Well said Richard, I watched that buffoon Prescott on question time last night reprising his famous class-war act against public-school spoilers, I wonder if he meant the privately educated Blair and selectivley educated Broon.....probably not.
Too much rhetoric and not enough facts I'm afraid. This article might appeal to Middle England armchair experts, but anybody who lives close to the sinkhole estates where the majority of these rioters come from knows different. These people have had the wealth and extravagance of a consumerist society they can't possibly break into shoved down their throats for the past twenty years - is it any wonder they stole from clothing and electronics shops? Have you met any of the 'decent mums on some of these estates', or was it too much of a climb down from your ivory tower? Meet these people, experience what their lives are like, and then maybe you can reinforce your claim that they have everything they need.
This scum are not envious of people who earn their own living, they have more money than the employed and squander what they have on drink, drugs, iphones, designer clothing and feel contempt for the society that funds their feckless lifedtyle. I'd like to bet that there is a much higher percentage of young male immigrants than female (many of whom are decent and hard working), and the subsequent imbalance should be addressed. The majority of looting and disorder was perpetrated by young males who must be forced to undertake permanent 8 hour a day occupation in order to qualify for welfare benefits. If they refuse they should get food tokens and no money.
Exactly correct in almost every detail, but you know and I know that nothing will be done, nothing will change and the can will be kicked further down the road.. We don't have one polititician will the balls to stand up and tell it how it is... These windbags make me sick, all talk and no do. Career polititicians who won't rock the boat for fear of their own backs.
Agree with the article and I think most decent people will. Nu Labour caused this country to rot - they brought the country to near bankruptcy and created feral youths from just as feral parents. Ignorant, work-shy, drug taking, spoilt scroungers and that's just the Middle Classes as we can see from the recent court cases and as for the poor - you cant eat electrical goods and how are they going to flog their stolen loot now, because all their comrades have got exactly the same goods - no market now.
Or maybe multi millionaires who continue to take millions while the majority battle to survive.
Indeed, we are witnessing the inevitable consequence of 13 years of the entitlements culture. No discipline, no authority, no respect, just gimme gimme gimme!
Harman's attempt at scoring political points by blaming the "cuts" for the riots is contemptible and her hypocrisy nauseating. The thugs involved in the riots are the reverse side of a political coin. MPs consider it acceptable to thieve from the public purse to build their property portfolios and the thugs consider it equally acceptable to thieve from the city shops. The only discernible difference in the two groups is that the MPs didn't set the treasury ablaze when they looted it.
Richie - We here at the Cum-to-Piddle Labour & Pigeon-fanciers Club wholeheartedly agree with your expert analysis regarding the riots. As you say the problems that led to this outrageous outburst of violence can be traced back 30 years to the odious Thatcher regime. In 1981 her lunatic Tory govt was busy preparing to decimate hard working communities and flog off our public utilities to foreign owners at a knock-down price - all part of a grand plan to decimate Britain's manufacturing base and introduce a low-wage slave economy centred on service industries. In the years to come we would see the introduction of casino capitalism, which has directly led to the current banking crisis, and a fawning alliance with Murdoch's dumbed-down propaganda machine News Int. Any notion of "society" was rejected in favour of a selfish me-me-me worship of material goods. Yes, an excellent analysis, Richie my old mukka. Have you ever considered a new career as a Marxist Professor of Modern Politics ?
its the policy of greed by the few rather than envy by the many
What a pity ALL politicians did not put their Country first as they seemed to for about five minutes yesterday? And what a great pity they cannot govern this Country by their own Common Law Constitution instead of having to look to the 'unman Rights Act, first. Scrub all that out and just concentrate on 'what a pity they cannot Govern this Country according to its own Constitution. And what are the children of these rioters going to turn out like Richard? Good article but what is one day or one week in Prison going to do eh Richard?
If you examine what Cameron has done about these riots in 6 months you will find it amounts to nothing. He will be up there mouthing the latest PR soundbite. Ain't nothing behind the facade, just like Obama.
Excellent article Richard. The liberal lefties who whine about racism and lack of jobs for these inner city morons should reflect on the fact that they are virtually unemployable,the majority. are illiterate and only interestead in, bling, rap music and impregnating as many women as possible.
"WeÂ’re talking about a wolfpack of feral inner-city waifs and strays who spend their time smoking dope, drinking lager and playing Grand Theft Auto on their stolen PlayStations. The soundtrack of their lives comprises wealthy, bling-laden rappers, surrounded by near-naked booty, singing about smacking bitches and killing cops" That nicely sums up the majority of these rioters. Bring back Mary Whitehouse, she wasn't as bad as I thought.
The rioters came from across all of society. We have a deeper malaise than Richard is capable of identifying. Red Ken and Harriet "Dagenham Heathway" Harman have got it no more wrong than Littlejohn with his simplistic analysis. We deserve these yobs if we are not prepared to look a little deeper at potential solutions. We could learn a lot from how US cities responded to riots in the past, and how New York was transformed from one of the most dangerous cities in the world to one of the most peaceful.
Trouble is they want it given to them, if not they will steal it. Work? forget it. When I was a kid if I was caught doing anything like this I would have had the s*** kicked out of me by my dad, but most of these have NO VALUES.
if you dont pay tax or are a pensioner you dont get a vote ! why should people who do not contribute have a say in the running of the country ? oh ! and let scotland have independence so our english parliament is not home to their 41 odd labour seats. this law abidding english tax payer wants england back !!!
As I wrote on Tuesday, thereÂ’s no lack of job vacancies, itÂ’s just that theyÂ’ve all been filled by hard-working Eastern Europeans attracted here after Labour tore up BritainÂ’s border controls. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2025021/UK-riots-2011-The-politics-envy-bound-end-flames.html#ixzz1Un5fDIeF Total rubbish..When jobs are not advertised here but only in Poland, is it any wonder the jobs are taken by Poles. In addition, many Britas have been deliberately forced out by greedy big business to be replaced by low paid (shared renting) migrants. If people such as Mr Little John had to live in the real world, he may find out the truth. The riots though, were criminal and nothing to do with the economic climate.
When "Campy" was sleeeping during the last short lived riots he should have banned facial coverage there and then, not wait until the horse had bolted. These fine politicans are expected to 'see' into the future and anticipate such things. His responsibility lies in the care of the nation of Great Britian first and foremost, NOT being involved with Libya, Syria, and et al . Just excerbating the situation, DUMMIES........ the whole lot that we vote for !!
Yopu are right - Call me Dave has a big opportunity to put right the thigs he said he would do but cannot because of the Lib Dumbs! If they mess him around GO TO THE COUNTRY! I still wont vote for him as he will not (NEVER)give us a referendum on the EUSSR!!
Ironic that you accuse Labour of trying to make political capital out of this when your whole article is about using the riots to push through your agenda. I suspect that's lost on you. There's too many hot heads at the moment. Cameron and his government will come back after the holidays, calmer and ready for the fight back. Knee jerk policy making is always a disaster.
The recent articles by Melanie Phillips, Max Hastings and yourgoodself Mr. Littlejohn on the subject of the riots, the rioters and their underlying causes should be compulsory reading for every politician, excepting of course Harman and her fellow Nu Labour travellers. We will now of inevitably be faced with the unedifying sight of legions of avaricious lawyers plundering the legal aid gravy train to represent these misunderstood, disadvantaged rioters in court. And of course the cost as well as the costs of the damage caused by the rioters will fall on the overburdened taxpayer.
Richard good common sense and straight talking. That is why David Cameron should make you Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government instead of Eric Pickles, who has promised much but delivered very little. Pickles should be made to visit those derelict play areas with local council leaders and members of the local community. Make the council leaders squirm with embarrassment! If it necessary, Pickles should be given the power to force councils to re-instate front line services at the expense of the do-gooders and health and safety freaks. It is not good enough for David Cameron to say that he can't tell local councils what to do; will someone please let him know that he is the Prime Minister and that he should find a way! What would Mrs T have done?
Spot on as usual Mr Littlejohn. I read in these august pages a few weeks ago some numpty called Ian Pointon, chairman of the Kent Police Federation, was quoted as saying, "We need more officers with tattoos - they break the ice with the public." No we do not. We need a police force strong in numbers and highly trained. The Police should command respect and represent the authority of the law. We should treat these mindless thugs the same way we policed the streets of Belfast and Londonderry, with riot gear, batons, water canons, and yes, rubber bullets. We need old fashioned coppers like Gene Hunt from Life on Mars and Reagan from the Sweeny. I don't want my local 'bobbies' looking like David Beckham and sounding like Alan Carr. I want to see more money spent on training and equipment.
Cameron handeld himself well?! Don't make me laugh!! Any one with half a brain can see why the 'yoof' of today went on a looting rampage; they are only copying what the bankers did - fleeced millions. What the politicians did -stole expenses; what the met did; took backhanders from journalists; and what journalists did - broke the law by hacking. These yobs are just following the 'free for all' example set by this lot. I haven't seen any bankers, politicians, journalists and so on, arrested and jaild. It's a free for all! I think greedy politicians should blame themselves for creating this mess, aswell as the greedy bankers! White collor crime is rife, but cleverly concealed!
Hi Richard, "A woman who reported seeing a UFO over East Dulwich claims two men dressed as Mork and Mindy came to investigate." About 55 years ago I saw a flying saucer high in the sky over my friends House. I was about 7 years old at the time and said: "Mam, there's a flying saucer over my friends house" her reply, "Is there a cup of tea on it" After 55 years I still remember it. As for the rioters, I suggest that the shooting which was suppose to have led to the rioting, may be the Drug Cartels way of telling the Special Police what happens when they interfere. Perhaps a "Gloves Off" Special Force should be set up to deal with these (self edit) like the old Sheffield Coppers who sorted out the Moony gang in my Grandads days. The should also sort out the PC brigade as well. May I suggest recruiting ex Paras. Time to take the gloves off! Kind regards Expat In Indo
How apt that you should cite Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips. The three of you have nothing new to say and all that you have said is trite, based on incorrect stereotypes and could have been typed by a room full of monkeys given a few right-wing buzz-words ('feral youth') and hate-figures (Harman) to work with. The reality (check out your own front page with an assortment of those charged and/or convicted) shows a very wide-ranging demographic profile. The only thing they seem to have in common is that they would all agree with Margaret Thatcher that "there is no such thing as society" and with Gordon Gecko that "greed is good". The legacy is more one of the 80s (when the phrase "the politics of envy" was used by Tories to attack those who criticised greed, selfishness and the excesses of capitalism). If you want to lay the roots of these troubles at the door of any one politician, Mrs T is the one. The gap between rich and poor was closing until she came to power.
Mutal of the UK. Where will we find cans big enough to put the yobs in? What do we do with them once canned? How do we label them - "canned yob" perhaps. The imagination runs riot.
Fantastic article Mr Littlejohn. Your articles should be made compulsory reading for all MP's they could learn an awful lot from them and if they acted upon some of the things you wrote about this Country would be a far better place than it is at the moment. Harriet Harperson, Ken Livingstone & the likes need putting out to grass, so bitter & self righteous they are, just the sort of People we do not need helping to run this Country. Parliament needs people like you, Our Country needs people like you. Carry on writing.
Singapore on tuesday was national day. Everyone to a person took pride in thier country and what it has achieved. Smiling happy courteous kids enjoying the fireworks and aerial displays. Turn on the tv to watch Sky news and the scum running amok in mainly London and the south thanks to 30 years of left wing liberalism and Mrs. Bliars human rights act. Give me zero tolerance and Singapore any day keep your gangsta scum in the uk thanks.
For once I agree with most of your sentiment - though I fear you may have over simplified the situation - however please refrain from putting the word 'cuts' in quotes. Even most tories admit that spending cuts *are* 'cuts'! Why persist with this habit? You might just as well put the word 'lager' in your piece above in speech marks
......and that ridiculous Theresa May, is DEFINITELY several sandwiches short of a picnic!
This was a masterpieace :)
If I wandered around London or Manchester with a balaclava and my sexy Irish accent I'd be hauled off the streets for questioning about the IRA. State of that lad with the balaclava and thinking he can get away with it
The voice of sanity.
This article sums it up very well , except Mr. Littlejohn missed the comparison of the drive by shootings and murders with the deaths and murders of brave innocent people trying to protect properties and their livelihoods by this rioting scum ; now sadly increased by the brave man in Ealing who's death was announced this morning . May they all rest in peace and may the perpetrators rot in hell.
Harman is beneath contempt, an odious creature that is only concerned with Harriet Harman Inc, and lining her own pockets. A power crazed man hater (misandrist) and should be reason enough to prevent her from holding ANY public office. My loathing of her knows no bounds.
When everyone blames people on housing estates are they doing so after seeing people from affluent areas getting their doors kicked down today, something that was only aired once and then no doubt a tenants association member contacted the BBC and asked them not to lower the tone of the place and so all remaining broadcast were off housing estate police targets. Did they just skip the story about the young female getaway driver and her two young male friends, all from very affluent backgrounds. The girl even able to take a swim in her own back garden. Peoples ignorant views of society help feed the views of the thugs and racist that destroy communities and before people condemn estate tenants lock stock and barrel just think how much of that housing is now in private ownership and do some research and understand that their are many city workers living on council estates waiting for their turn to own a front gate and rear garden that didn't riot, like their neighbour the mechanic.
Spot on about Harman, As someone who has always leant slightly to the left I have sometimes disagreed with your comments, but your view of this wretched woman is a great deal more charitable than mine, whenever I see her puddiing basin swede nodding extravagantly in agreement with some remark or other in the commons, I grind my teeth in annoyance. AWFUL WOMAN!
Brilliant Article, setting out the way most of us feel. Like you opportunities there for Cameron to grab hold of the reins but dont think this will happen. In five weeks time this filth will be as mentioned before regarded as the victims and all the liberals will play the " ye old dysfunctional family "card as the reason they cannot cope with life. The reason they cannot cope with life lands fully at the feet of the past at least four governments. Slap on the wrist attitudes for thugs, light sentences for murderers, open door flood gate policy for immigrants, social payments to those that have no intention of ever working in their lives. Blind eye policy from immigration department where they allow young men and women and children to be shipped over here from other countries by criminal gangs for prostitution and slavery. Those that want to help and stand up to this scum are afraid and rightly so being prosecuted themselves
An excellent article Mr Littlejohn! The best I have read since this all began. Eloquent, witty and sadly, absolutely right!
".......isnÂ’t interested in a law-abiding, nine-to-five existence" - You're so right, Richard. I know scores of people who wouldn't contemplate getting a job at any price. If they were offered a job from 10am until 11.30am with an hour for lunch, they would still find it too inconvienient, and besides, they are already getting oodles of money on the dole, so why would they bother? I can personally take you to 5 people that I know, who have never worked a day in over 30 years, and all live a "comfortable" lifestyle, and all drive cars. Oh!! I almost forgot. All five have 4 children or more(one of them has seven). SAYS IT ALL REALLY.
I see Boris Johnson with a broom,I cannot help but feel,he has possibly set his sights a little too high.
Very well said Littlejohn,a good article,however the politics of envy is not all down to hard working business men, which nobody would deny they have earnt their rewards,but the ones the government seem to care a great deal about,FAILURES. Some are given huge pensions,pay packets many can only dream about,and amazing payoffs for failure,and another plum job to go into,so they can fail all over again,funded by the tax payers.It is not all down to hard work and achieving the right and best results.
"I think Harriet Harperson is completely Dagenham Heathway- a few stops short of Barking.... - Che Gravadlax, Eastbourne, 12/8/2011 01:50" ------------------- I've always had the impression she's round the bend.
My father always used to say, "Face reality." Richard Littlejohn, you face reality.
The do gooders can think of all the exscuses they want, but we all know these people dont want to work they dont want to be involved in a normal society they want to be handed everything on a plate and if they dont get it given to them they take it. They need to be made to work if they dont give them vouchers for food and clothing and make them sign on everyday.
"The elephant in the room about the riots is this. Where or how does God play a part in their family upbringing. Lets face it, this has been a snapshot of a godless society where from rich to poor, old to young, have lost their moral stance, responsibility and decency. No one can make laws to force people to get what I have mentioned. " Mutal, the most crime ridden countries in the world: Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuela, Guatamala, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, are all Catholic Christian countries where religion is more commonly practiced than in the UK. The LEAST crime ridden countries: Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, Japan are secular. There is a far greater proportion of believers in prisons than there is in the outside world. Religion breeds poverty and violence, it shortens lives, and it hampers progress; we are more moral, civil and socially responsible without God. The life we have is enriched, and not denuded, by the realisation that it is the only one.
"[the riots are] the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country." ...And what ideology has held sway for the past 30 years in Britain, Richard Littlejohn? Incidentally, the broad consensus in politics before those 30 years - presumably a halycon age to Littlejohn - was the postwar settlement of Atlee...
Excellent article touching most of the important issues but needs tweaking some more to the right to really deal with the problem.
I wonder who is envious of whom?
"this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing ... " Thatcher & major were right wing New labour tony blair....yes you guessed it Right wing (cant believe people still think they are left wing or socialist.. hilarious - old labour were but NEW labour are basically a slightly less right wing conservative party, who believe in neo-liberalistic economics = caused the recession) David cameron - right wing You are also aware that boris johnson and david cameron were part of the bullingdson club to quote boris johnson biographer Andrew Gimson -- "I don't think an evening would have ended without a restaurant being trashed [...] A night in the cells would be regarded as being par for a Buller man and so would debagging anyone who really attracted the irritation of the Buller men." "Now Cameron has a once-in-a-career chance to seize the initiative, free up the police to tackle crime properly, build more prisons, scrap the Yuman Rites Act," - bet it doesnt work!
It's so easy to start at the end of these peoples problems, let intelligent people start at the beginning...
Excellent article! But I am afraid reforming these yobs will not be easy. We can build all the prisons we want and vote into law tougher legislation, but if these yobs do not want to change their ways I'm sorry to tell you but we will be just throwing money into a bottomless well. When these yobs start respecting themselves and others and, most importantly, strive to better themselves than we will see change.
I think Harriet Harperson is completely Dagenham Heathway- a few stops short of Barking....
Richard, you are so right when you say the lack of "resources" makes no difference to these feral youths. I used to work on one of the social housing estates that a lot of these yobs came from to riot and loot. The landlord has poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into youth clubs, community and sporting facilities, outreach workers, paying for summer outings for kids and their parents. These facilities are well used - but by well behaved kids from decent families. The yobs doing the looting and rioting wouldn't go near them - they prefered swaggering around in their gangs destroying property and mugging residents.
Look at Boris Johnson, finally getting a job!, but really, a typical politician today 21st century, all gesture and no substance.
This is SPOT ON.
The politics of envy is manipulative and anybody with half a brain should realize that they are being manipulated by the Liberals and their cohorts in the liberal press. In the final, rational, logical analysis, doesn't everyone want to be rich? Why would anybody want to make it more difficult than it already is to achieve wealth?
Ezekiel 7:23-27 prophesy: “Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence. Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses ….”
This began with the politics of greed when society's role models and leaders could not keep their greedy thieving hands out of the cookie jar when they finally accept culpability then things might improve.
Every effort is now being made to bring these thieves and robbers to book, with well over a thousand already arrested. When half of our MP's were caught stealing on the QT via their expenses, fewer than 1% found their way to the courts. Moral of the story? If you're going to rob people, get elected first.
The elephant in the room about the riots is this. Where or how does God play a part in their family upbringing. Lets face it, this has been a snapshot of a godless society where from rich to poor, old to young, have lost their moral stance, responsibility and decency. No one can make laws to force people to get what I have mentioned. Only a close knit family with God can. It all starts at home and sadly, labour in their 13 years in power have destroyed the family, the community and religion from our society. We saw the labours generation coming home to roost. Bring back canning for under-age thugs. Tough on crime for drug pushers etc. And perhaps have a compulsory 2 year army stint for all our kids. It could help those with no discipline learnt to get it.
Brilliant article, can't disagree with a word of it. The scary thing is that there will be those who do.
unfortunately you are so right
One institution we need to know everything about is The Monarchy, we are after all meant to be living in a Democracy.
THE POLITICIANS @ MANDARINS HAVE DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE TO OUR COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE IT CAN NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN ,YOU ONLY NEED HALF A BRAIN TO SEE WHAT IS COMING ,AND IT WILL NOT BE NICE.???
Another Common Purpose placeman?
Some things better we don't know, that would be democratic and not good for government.
Vote UKIP we have had enough of the present bunch of parisites
Now, now, Mr Glover, Britian is a very open country. It's open to any would be terrorist, war criminal, scrounger and ne'er do well who wants to come here and take advantage of our free handout's to the world welfare system and what's worse is that once they are here there's noting we can do to send them home whatever they do or have done.
Woodstock - Perhaps he is refering to the book, 'Who He?'.
RIP UK.
You have just glimpsed the 'THEY', the 'THEM' that we all moan about and have no control over. And we are supposed to live in a democracy!
look at that picture a repulsive little kafka minion he is exactly what needs sacking in this country
We`ve been well ethnically cleansed , by corporate business, and our politicians.
The mass immigration which will happen no argument. I believe will finish this country as it was not in five years but within ten and the only people who this will benefit will be large multinational companies, the wealthy and the so called politicians and mandarins. The rest of us will see our quality of life disappear our children's future reduced to a third world nation and the UK a mass of hatred between peoples. And the future will be in fifty years time war on the streets of this once great nation. I believe this was allowed to happen because the EU politicians hate us and still carry a grudge that will not be sated until we are completely obliterated within, and our so called politicians are so wrapped up in their own quests that they see nothing and answer to none of us. I once loved this country I don,t now. I feel so sad about that and the future for my two sons who will never know what it was to be British in a British country
'Who he?' - what does that mean? 'Who is he?', or 'Who's he? might be more correct. And you a 'proper' journo, too.
Labour have created a situation which is irreversible with their lies and deceit. They should be proud of all their machinations. And what for?.......... their own personal glory......Like fatty Balls and dopey Milliband
and all the thanks to the happy couple, Mr and Mrs Blair..
I believe you mean "sinister"...Mr. Glover.
It must be hard to keep track of the lies already told, but then they wouldn't care anyway they're untouchable.
hopalong cassidy....... you are so right do you feel like coming here and ruling this cesspit of a country we now call britain rather then great britain as it once was. You wouldn't recognise the place if you came back more like bangerdash
I think that man needs an eye test and a hearing test I hate this country all because people like him
The British people sleepwalked into this situation and will continue to sleepwalk. No one cares. Its the sign of a bankrupt nation. - brian the boy, Perth, Australia, 6/12/2012 8:12 ******You are wrong Brian, we have not 'sleepwalked' into this situation but rather as a nation we have done so with our EYES WIDE OPEN. This has come about because bovine like, the UK electorate have (and continue to do so) ticked the LAB/LIB/CON box at each and every election on the 'promise' (sic) of "change". The damage is now irreversible and you are well out of it mate. Alas, it's our kids being born today who will inherit a (future) Balkans of the 1990's type situation here in the UK as a direct consequence of it.
Hopalong- how can you rant about immigrants when, judging by your address, you are one yourself?!
All of us on here complain about the fact that we are a struggling country but that we continue to let in people from around the world to house, feed and pay for their health care all at the expense of the tax payer. If we can all see that mass immigration is not a good thing why can't the powers that be? It has to be assumed that they can see it so my next question is what are they getting out of bankrupting and selling our country up the river - can someone tell me cos I don't know the answer.
There is no room at the inn. When we joined the EEC, signed Maastricht etc it was never intended that Europe would cover so much and there would be an open door from poorer countries whose citizens would come here in such large numbers. Shortage of homes, shortage of jobs, maternity units stretched to bursting, not enough school places, foreign criminals, unable to deport anyone. The EU should return to the EEC as a trading bloc so countries can trade easier, not so the EU government can rule other countries.
THe oldest excuse of all - "Blame Sir Humphrey" ( or blame the messenger, not the message???)
My only question would be - 'can UKIP actually do what it says it intends to do'? Because if so, they need to be in power ASAP, and clear out the UK's Augean Stable of twisters, liars and overpaid, useless functionaries.
We Brits will continue to suffer until we become the minority. By then the traitors and Quislings in Westminster and Brussels will be retired on their gold plated pensions in some sunny foreign clime and GB will become a dump for nuclear waste.
Everything starts with the truth. Until our politicians who are university educated in the art of PR then decree it cant be true until it has been put through the spin machine. From then on, everything goes downhill. Usually there is some undisclosed payoff for the spin machine operator.
You may depend that the proposed immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania will be the dregs of their own society and of no use whatsoever to ours except to be a burden on our "hard working families" and until we quit the EU we seem to be either powerless or too gutless to stop them.
Every day people comment on the need to curb immigration to the UK yet the our "wonderful Westminster rulers" cry racist.Is it racist to expect newcomers to contribute to British Society before receiving benefits? Is it racist to abide by British Law ? Is it racist to expect the ethnic community to integrate with the indigenous population instead of setting up their own ghettoes ? What is racist is our scumbag politicians keeping well away any area that house large immigrant communities!!!!!
My old Dad spent most of his early life in the British army and served in many countries and continents -China, India, Africa, Middle East, Europe. He fought in the second world war- battle of Monte Casino and in North Africa - so had plenty of life experience.When I was young he said to me that the British had great patience but beware,beware, if they ever lose it. He also said - decades ago- that one day this country would turn to the extreme left or extreme right.
As any thinking and informed person would know (by now), this is all DELIBERATE. And the cherry on top of the cake is Turkey, which camoron strongly wants as a member of the EU; and while he's at it, he may as well add the Ukraine and other nations over there. And of course, it's not just the EU nationals being allowed in, it's also from Asia, and worse, from africa. A lot of this is being done by stealth - in secret - much like a frog being boiled in slowly increasing water temperature. Unfortunately for them, we have the Internet and interconnected persons who can inform others as to what the truth actually is, exposing Government disinformation and secrecy. Next must come action, to put these evasive, arrogant and fraudulent civil 'servants' in their place, or better still, removed altogether. In the USA, it has been estimated that over 90% of the so-called secrecy is due not to national security, but to cover illegality and embarrassment, and I would think the % is similar here.
"Thank God we have a free Press, you may say. But do we?" No Mr G, your right, we don't. The Press is just as biased in favour of minorities. The Press quakes at the criticism of the EU. None of the Press will give UKIP a fair crack of the whip, so we are stuck with the Three Stoogies. The Press, and especially the Daily mail, will not tell the truth about the True Extent of Immigration and they will not tell the Truth about the Full Cost of Immigration to First Nation Britons. I might as well stop using the term "British," since it is now a meaningless term.
No benefits at all for those not born here. that's how it should be.
The answer to Ronamian and Bulgarian migrsation to the UK should be zero. We should not open our borders to them and we should repatriate all Eastern Europeans in the UK on benefits. We should close our borders and give the EU two fingers regarding the free movement of labour. We don't want them. There aren't enough houses or jobs.
Transparency? That's a sick joke. They can see everything we do, but we cannot keep tabs on them. Otherwise they would never have been allowed to use mass immigration to make revolutionary change to the very nature of Britain. They would never have got away with the deception that our sovereignty would not be affected by EU membership. Vote for a government that will seek our national interest and not the globalist agenda now being pursued by Sir Jeremy and his co-conspirators in Lib-Lab-Con. Vote Ukip.
Mothers have their babies removed at birth for "risk of emotional abuse.If they protest publicly it's jail ! The Human Rights Act gives everyone a right to everyone to enjoy a private family life undisturbed by public authority.Clearly, intended to protect the family against the State. British judges alone in Europe have chosen to stand this on its head and treat it as a defence for the State against protesting parents ! Parents cannot protest to the media when their children are snatched by the "SS" for fear of intruding on the private lives of their own children ! There is no transparency whatever in our secret/private family courts.50+ years ago The first thing I learned as a law student at Oxford was that "justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done " .Family courts have long abandoned this "to protect the children" when in fact it is to protect themselves from the public outrage at the way children are snatched from parents who have committed no crimes at all.
This is all going to end in tears. Sooner or later the British people will say "enough is enough" and there will be civil unrest. I am just sad and angry to see the British taxpayer consistently being taken for mugs, having to rehome and provide support for all these incoming EU citizens, most of whom have no jobs or homes to come to. I'm glad I voted with my feet.
No, what Blair, Brown and now Cameron are doing is turning UK into an Islamic hellhole, and in very short order. If you wish to find out how that goes, do have a peep at Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Then have a peek at France and Belgium. They are only a year or so ahead of UK. All of them bragged about being tolerant, transparent, liberal, warm and fuzzie, welcoming, culturally relative etc etc. Go on, have a look at your future. MSM won't help you by the way.
There is just nothing worth saying any more. When the next batch of foreigners arrive where on earth will we put them. We are tarmacking over our country and the people allowing it are lining their pockets to ensure they can get out when the time comes. I just hope we can get to them first. It won't be pretty. It never is.
Fancy words, fancy idea's, the British people want it to stop,our only hope seems to be UKIP.
Welcome to Gulag UK !
They're actually SCARED to tell the truth..................and so they should be.
Heywood is a poison...he is pro EU...
We will sit on our fat arses doing nothing until the penny drops that we are littrally gving away our country epescially to all the countries we actually fought against in WW11. Then final we might take to the streets to claim it back. Wake up Britain and lobby your MPs for Christ sake.
If these desk wallahs told the truth they would be sacked on the spot.
I know someone who is at present in Bucharest. He is a well-paid young man and is over there looking at factory production. He told me that a qualified engineer in Bucharest is paid about 300euros a month (and incidentally he was also told that they have not been paid at all for two months), so at a guess I would say half the population will head here once the restrictions are removed as they can earn nearly ten times that amount here for a few years. Most of those he has spoken to are intending to head here as soon as they can_ young families in particular_and have said they will be so much better off taking unskilled work and having pay boosted by benefits. They have already been made aware of the claims they can make by agencies of their Gov't.
As I had three grandchildren in school in wigan in 2005 I asked through foi. are Immigrant or asylum chidren vetted for TB or Aids before being allowed to enter our classrooms. the answer i got back was they refused to tell me, as my question was vexacious. As any one can interprate any question as vexacious . what sort of an answer was that. They dont check them for anything. how irresponsible is that.
People please don't start threatening civil action by the public just vote for UKIP it promises that it will reduce the number of economic migrants in this country by withdrawing from the ECHR and the EU then repatriating these persons back to their own individual countries.
Migrants? Migration is what birds do in the Winter. The topic under discussion is Immigration! Can't we call a spade a spade, at least?
This is one of your best pieces yet, right on the money and very relevant. I have come to the conclusion that big states can't work because of their insatiable need to consume ever more money, ie. higher taxes to refine their dirty tricks and expand their cloak of secrecy. It really is a one way street in the UK where they need to know everything that their subjects are doing, but baulk at the thought of their dirty washing being out in the open, and for very good reason.
Bulgaria and Romania will be a real disaster. But the final apocalypse is only just a little further away: Turkey's application for membership. Once that happens just about anybody able to walk - and especially the masses of relatively uneducated ones with very conservative views, living in the poor rural parts of eastern Turkey - will be on their way. Sorry to say it, but by then Britain really will have "had it".
Oh dear, Mr Glover, sneering at The Independent as a "low-circulation newspaper." Would this be the same paper you helped found and for which you regularly wrote a column until very recently? Your views, incidentally, seemed much more reasonable in those days - not as shrill and blatantly Right-wing. Shame on you.
The transparency Sir Jeremy boasts of works in one direction only - they keep tabs on us, but we cannot be allowed to know what they are scheming. Two examples: (1) the undeclared policy to change the ethnic make-up of these islands - not gradually as throughout our history, but suddenly, overnight, irrespective of the capacity of schools and hospitals to cope with the influx. This is probably part of a wider globalisation agenda to abolish national identities, but we are not allowed to know that. (2) the sinister influence of the government-supported "charity" Common Purpose (admirable exposed by the DM recently) that encourages public servants to network together and act beyond their legitimate authority to ... to er? ... to achieve just what common purpose exactly? I'm sure Sir Jeremy knows the master plan, but he has never let the voters have sight of it. Hopefully he and his fellow manipulators in the Civil Service will not survive a Ukip government.
I think the Romanions and Bulgarians coming here really will be the final straw for the British people. Added to our broken economy I can only see civil unrest breaking out. Is this really what the government wants ?
You cant blame the Romanians. The average salary is £267 a month. They can get £400 a month for not working in the UK as a married couple and free schooling and childcare and housing. I would certainly swap my average UK salary if I thought i could get these things and a 66% raise for not working in another country. The question is what idiots have allowed this to happen
So is he what Sir Humphrey Appleby was to Jim Hacker?
I'd like to know what is the process now to those who enter our country illegally. While my husband was still in the police force it went from taking them to the police station and the immigration officials taking them back to deportation centres, I'm talking about Harwich as an example. To the immigration officials handing out vouchers for food and ALLOWING the illegals to find their own way to an appointment at said detention centre, around early 2000 ish. I'd like to know how many actually turned up and where are those that didn't, and has this practise been stopped, because it was the height of stupidity in the first place..
They will force the ordinary people of this county eventually to take the law into their own hands, if they feel that the State is not protecting them.
There will never be a day of reckoning. Its too late. The British people sleepwalked into this situation and will continue to sleepwalk. No one cares. Its the sign of a bankrupt nation.
Labour did set up way too many databases, and now they're connected, you cannot say this is a democracy, At least not with a straight face. When it comes to stuff like train arrival times, everyone has access to that via National Rail Enquries website. He might well be a powerful Chief, but there are way too many indians below him, and way too many with 'manager' in the title and too many with political activism mindsets. The deeper you fall into water the denser it gets and it's the same phenomena in any over sized operation. There will be no transparency until the payroll is properly cut down to size.
What percentage of immigrants ( legal and illegal) entering the UK go straight on benifits ?? and what percentage of the previous stay on benifits
They wont release the numbers expected to arrive from Bulgaria and Romania, because they know they'll be enormous. All part of the plan to drive wages down closer to levels seen in the booming economies of India and China, great for businesses here and for attracting businesses here. Disasterous for the working class whose standard of living is to be further degraded. But hey, these millionaire politicians and their friends and relatives have their wealth and positions to think about and they know that the public dont stay angry for long, just look, Labour are already back in pole position and think about what they did to Britain's working class only a few years ago! If we wont change our voting habits, why should they care, hell, we deserve them.
Just try an FOI request to your local council to find out that we are far from transparent. These bits of legislation are palliatives that the government use to give us the impression we are a free democracy. The reality is sinister and frightening.
Conduct some polls in Bulgaria and Romania to see how many have their sights set on getting here.... your paper could commission that quite cheaply. you would be mad not to come.
Romanions and Bulgarians......prepare for the flood. The UK will be like paradise for these people. They'll be coming in their many thousands all equiped with how to claim benefits.
They wont tell us the truth because they are afraid losing their jobs and going to jail. The day of reckoning will arrive regardless of their futile attempts to hide the facts from the electorate.
Were DOOMED, we opened the door and gave our country away.
I have just been told that road signs in Tottenham are in Arabic first followed by English! How did we let this happen? What sort of upside down, inside out and back to front thinking lead us to marginalise ourselves in this way? I thought these people came to Britain for a better life, out of a sense of respect for a society and culture they wanted to be a part of... It seem to me that we have had our hospitality abused, and allowed ourselved to fall victims to an invasion - politicians of the last half century have a lot to answer for!
- Sue, Wiltshire, 26/8/2011 0:56------ Folks we're amazed that as many as 10 people endorse Sue's comment...(!)
Folks, its perhaps worth mentioning that Heath took us into Europe, Thatcher signed the Maastricht treaty and this was ratified by John Major - the rest we're afraid is history...(!) - alan, beverley, east yorks, 26/8/2011 09:15 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------And dont forget Blair signed our powers away to Europe with the Lisbon Treaty, Brown sold most of our gold for a few euros and Blair introduced the lovely Human Rights Act.
I assume to make us feel better the government always quotes net migration so the 575,000 immigrants to the U.K. becomes 239,000 when you take into account Brits going to live abroad. What a ''con''. I would rather see the figures on the number of immigrants here who are claiming some form of benefits after a year compared with the Brits doing the same abroad. Can someone inform me if I retired to Poland what I could claim in the way of housing benefit, carers allowances,motorbility, winter fuel allowance, T.V.fee etc etc etc etc .
I kept hearing theTories moaning about UKIP and because they were afraid their supporters would drift to UKIP before the last election said "If you vote UKIP you let in Labour". Well they should be saying "Vote Tory or Labour and you let more Immigrants in". Well done to the million who voted UKIP who could see the Tories for what they really are. A bunch of spineless, self serving, weak willed chancers who do not have the interests of this nation at heart. Tory or Labour ? . Might as well flick a coin.
We don't want to riot but we're being kettled into it!
"......There are two fundamental questions to answer a) If Britain didn't colonized most of the countries outside Europe and continue to meddle in their political system impose war on them to get access to their natural resources there would be little migration from those countries.b) Britain is been dictated by European Union to all anyone from other European member countries and the contributes to 95% of migrants so unless you get yourself out of that mess stop making endless noise about it. Welcome to Britain free social housing and receive money you don't worked for in the form of benefits.Mother Teresa of all nations...." ---Couldn't abgee more!
Immigration up, wages down, electricity, gas and petrol up, food up, VAT up, benefit payments up, foreign aid up, tax receipts down, borrowing up, national debt up, production down, sales down, unemployment up, bankers bonuses up, services cuts. Stop passing the buck to Europe and Labour, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Europe doesn't pay benefits as soon as people get there but we do, Europe didn't make Cameron make huge payment to in aid and nor did Labour, only the goverment want these huge cuts, oh and Labour didn't make the banks screw up taking 850 billion of our money to bail them out.
Clearly, Theresa May isn't up to the job. She should stand aside and let Jacqui Smith take over.
"BORIS for PM Lets get shot of Cameron and the teaboy Clegg. - Lorenzo Lomax., London. England., 26/8/2011" BAD IDEA; BORIS MISTAKENLY BELIEVES THAT IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR LONDON; he has very conveniently forgotten that the jobs immigrants now do were done perfectly capably by Brits before we had mass immigration. Nor has he achieved many of his election promises.
I think these foreigners keep us on our toes. We need them driving us forward so we are a nation of elite workers. Those Poles are hard grafters, so we should beat them at it on home turf. Come on Fellow Englishmen!
But surely it's the 'uman right of everybody in the world to climb onto this crowded little island and sink our schools and NHS, never having contributed a farthing to it. As for Heath, he should have been hanged as a traitor, along with Bliar. Both admitted they had lied to us, because they knew what was best for us, or just for their own personal power-trips. Stop providing benefits, translators etc, for newcomers, enforce the 'first safe country' rule for refugees, block up the Chunnel and strengthen the immigration services at ports and airports. It might just make a difference, though it's probably too late. If foreigners commit crimes, deport them - most sensible countries do. If they have managed to have children while on the run, and so claim 'uman rights' to stay, let them take their children with them and have their 'right to family life' where they came from. We should only welcome people who are prepared to contribute to the country, and keep out all the rest.
"Folks, its perhaps worth mentioning that Heath took us into Europe, Thatcher signed the Maastricht treaty and this was ratified by John Major - the rest we're afraid is history...(!) - alan, beverley, east yorks, 26/8/2011 09:15" So what: Heath, Thatcher and Major are history (but what they signed us up for was trade agreements; not the loss of sovereignty that Gordon Brown signed up to). NuLiebour failed to protect our interests when they had the opportunity to, ConDemn failed to make NuLiebour protect our interests when they were in opposition and they are failing to do it while they are in power. Try coming up with some useful suggestions.
Con/Lab/Dem are all high tax / high immigration parties who serve the EU and the banks. Most voters dont actually pay any attention though and keep voting to be robbed by them .
“The number of immigrants – 575,000 last year – has run at a similar level for the past seven years.”...Another DM article today states.. “it’s clear that fiscal austerity, rising inflation and increasing unemployment are combining to put an end to any recovery”.. We are also the 3rd most densely populated major country in the world. This is APPALLING - What will it take for ConDemLab to DO something about it?
It is perfectly obvious from our street and train scenes that foreigners dominate this country's cities now. I don't need immigration figures to tell me that. What I need is for this Conservative government to turf them out, especially those in prison or up on any kind of charge at all or taking money from any kind of Social Service. I want to see deportations and I don't want billions to continue out of my hard-stretched homeland towards foreign vaccination programmes or Aid. Over fifty years none of this has proven helpful in the long run except to increase the populations of those places on other continents. I want the UK borders closed to all EU citizens so that we can return to the sensible people traffic that took place before the infamous EU began. I am fed up with watching my once-lovely country being mercilessly raped.
I thought Cameron was going to perform miracles to stop this sort of thing happening in this country? Well thatÂ’s what he told us at election time! Maybe like all politicians in opposition he can sell you any old clap trap to get your vote!
Who'd want to leave after getting their feet under the table in 'benefits for all' Britain. Want a mansion for your huge family - no problem; want free health and dental treatment - no problem; want to commit robbery and go un ounished - no problem; want a nice steady income with no need to work for it - no problem. Until this country slams the brakes on handouts for immigrants who need never work to earn them this sort of thing will continue. In a town near here an Eastern European immigrant has been selling 'TheBig Issue' for the past 4 years - she commutes into the town every day, she has walked past shops advertising jobs, she takes her coffee break in Starbucks, and she has never done a stroke of proper work in all of that time. How much am I paying for her life of ease I wonder?
Shall we just remind ourselves that this goverment came into power June 2010. Doing anything takes time to implement so its disengenuous to hold this Government to account for what happened in 2010. Lets see what the result is for 2011.
BORIS for PM Lets get shot of Cameron and the teaboy Clegg.
I never thought I would say this but we should be more like the French. If something is bad for their country they simply don't do it. We should do the same. We MUST scrap this bloody silly Human Rights Law and do what is good for us. If Cleggy does not like it, call an election but Cameron won't do this as he like being Prime Minister too much. Cameron out and David Davis for leader. What the hell has happened to my country.
I'm going to sleep now. Wake me up when someone takes over who actually knows what they are doing, instead of these rank amateurs.
Folks, its perhaps worth mentioning that Heath took us into Europe, Thatcher signed the Maastricht treaty and this was ratified by John Major - the rest we're afraid is history...(!)
It's time people sorted out the difference between migration and immigration. The Govt can control immigration, these are people coming into the UK from outside the EU. Imgration is people coming from the 26 other countries in the EU, who are entitled to move around the EU without control. Thanks to LIEBOUR Govt, the Uk cannot stop these people entering the UK and claiming all sorts of Benefits,even when they return to their own countries are still able to claim benefits from the UK. The Land of free housing/ child benefits(even if you don't have kids).
WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED!
We will look back at today in the years to come and see this as the good old days, especially after Turkey becomes a member of the EU, and millions of them suddenly become British.
If you lot wanted change, you should have voted UKIP or BNP and until you summon up the courage to vote for one of those parties then you should recognise that nothing will change.
The message here is simple: like Labour, you can't trust the Tories. Cameron promised a referendum on EU membership. He reneged on that. He promised to reduce heavily immigration. He has failed, lamentably failed. Readers, do you wonder why everyone and his dog wants to pour into this overcrowded island? The huge benefits immigrants receive outweigh anything they could receive anywhere else in Europe. Free health care, accommodation, mobile phones, vouchers, cars and a living allowance. Their net contribution to the economy? Nil. Cost to the taxpayer? Between £5 Billion - £10 Billion. Write to your MP, write to Cameron. This lunacy can't continue like this.
It is all very well complaining about Cameron and the Torys BUT the ones that voted them in are to blame THEY wanted them IN.- ------ I for one was one of them and I know now that this is the LAST Party that I will EVER vote for AGAIN .--- They are a lot of liers ALL of them .--- The only Party that seems to have ANY sence is the UKIP and thay will be the ones that I vote for Next time around .-- On top of all this the EU and Brussels runs this Country NOT Cameron although HE thinks HE does .--- HE is like Balir A PUPPET ON A STRING and when they say jump HE says HOW HIGH.- This is the caliber of Cameron NIL
Why don't we all admit it, WE have losed my ENGLAND,
As Nigel Farage pointed out repeatedly a couple of years back, on the difference between Labour and CONservatives.... You can't squeeze a fag paper between 'em! The "big three" all have the same objective, which is destroy the nation from within.
The message here is simple: like Labour, you can't trust the Tories. Cameron promised a referendum on EU membership. He reneged on that. He promised to reduce heavily immigration. He has failed, lamentably failed. Readers, do you wonder why everyone and his dog wants to pour into this overcrowded island? The huge benefits immigrants receive outweigh anything they could receive anywhere else in Europe. Free health care, accommodation, mobile phones, vouchers, cars and a living allowance. Their net contribution to the economy? Nil. Cost to the taxpayer? Between £5 Billion - £10 Billion. Write to your MP, write to Cameron. This lunacy can't continue like this.
The News "Immigration soared by 20% last year" is like as if we discovered a crop of mushroms in our backyard. Judge the Government by its action - not by its words. Immigration policies has one purpose to drive down the wages and quality of life. So is the QE 1, 2 & 3 to drive up he prices and devalue our savings. It is about time the British Nationals held each member of parliament accountable for his actions. British Nationals deserve honest and caring people to run this country for them - not for the super rich bankers and land owners.
Under the Lisbon Treaty the government has no say on immigration. Britain is a dictatorship and the British people have no voice.
Lib/lab/ con are one of the same , for all of the prattle these three spew out they will do nothig until we get a referendum or until we get UKIP or BNP into the House of Commens in my opinion we will get nowhere
When are we goping to get out of the commitment to allow any European to work here? if it means leaving the E C so much the better. We need to look after british people first and last, even if they do not want to work!
Typical Tory Policy. BLAME SOMEONE ELSE.
You all have an alternative and that is not to vote for any of the three main political parties. Vote for a Party that is totally for the people of Great Britain who will unite the United Kingdom. A Party that will raise raise the United Kingdom to its place as a leader of the Nations of the World..
Exactly how many days a year do we have to work where our earnings are spent on migrants? I don`t begrudge my taxes being spent on our elderly and genuinely sick but nowhere have I agreed to pay for scrounging economic migrants. It`s just plain wrong.
If France was ever faced with this issue they would immediately close their borders and stick two fingers up at the EU! ...........Unfortunately we are stuck with invertebrate government until the UK wakes up and starts to vote for people like UKIP who actually have a backbone.
Charge the government for every illegal immigrant they fail to remove,and I'm confident the problem will be solved by the end of the day. They clearly couldn't care less about the native population of this country.
England, a Nation out of control, without leadership or direction. Where are the men of Honour in the house, the men of word, who say what they mean and mean what they say. This Nation needs an Unreasonable man at the helm again, that we might pull ourselves out of this Euromess.
When will the politicians and people in power learn that they are leaving a legacy for our children and grandchildren that will destroy life in the UK as we have known it.
Just wait 'til Turkey get into the Eu then see the figures soar!
So we still think that they care, more immigrants just means more livestock for the people in charge.
I'm sorry but it will have to be BNP at the next election. All three main parties are supporting major immigration. My small local town, sandwiched between the Thames and large areas of natural beauty (AONB), will have to take 550 new homes (2,000+ people) over the next ten years under the Government's Core Strategy Policy. There is no local growth it is purely for immigration. South Oxfordshire have already named three AONB areas for this - don't take my word for it it's on the South Oxfordshire District Council website. The three main parties are crucifying this country!
well what do you expect,you lot who voted in this shambles want your heads feeling,say hello to your foreign new nieghbours.
No wonder our kids cannot get jobs, if the Migrants are not working they are on Benefits and some of them are living in 2 Million pound houses with their 10 kids. Mr Cameron has now lost my vote because he has not cut back on Migrants like he promised. No wonder this country is in a mess with this silly Human Rights Law. Wake up UKIP and the BNP it looks to me that you will be getting more votes at this next Election.
This is one subject where most people get suffocated and lost in all the twaddle. Slice your way straight to the problem - and don't take your eye off the ball. What's killing us is immigration - from within the EU. Obviously - as EU members - we can't do a damned thing about it.... we are signed up to allow every EU citizen to come here. We are simply powerless to stop them. So - thank you voters - for voting for the three main EU supporting parties - your children and grandchildren - will forever be grateful - for the hopeless future - YOU - have given them.
Welcome to joke Britain. This weak and shallow government will never stop immigration because it's too much like hard work. It's much easier for Cameron and his clowns to turn a blind eye, fill us with lies about how tough they are gonna get then shaft the British people instead because it's easier.
So immigration is static and has been for seven years. What has changed is less people are leaving the country. Well I am not surprised they cant afford to with the disastrous recessiion looming economic policies of this Conservative Government and ex Bullingdon Club memer Boy George Osborne and his side kick Dodgy Dave. The Future is Europe.
Stop ALL immigration for the next five years. Job done.
Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!! - Jo Higham, southport, 25/8/2011 19:09 ======================================= Yes, certainly. Immigration is like an oil tanker. It takes some considerable time to turn it around to go the other way. Hence Labour, who had (up to only 15 months ago) been in office for 13 years, are to blame, whereas the Tories who have been in office only for almost the same number of MONTHS are not, and need time to turn it around. Simple really when you're not a Labour supporter trying to find every excuse for the serious damage they have done to every aspect of the UK without exception over the past 13 years. And Brown is the biggest culprit in the party by a long long way. His inept economic "management" has led us to rack and ruin. But that's what happens when someone with a degree in HISTORY runs the economy !
Mybe now we are just getting the true extent of immigration numbers after years of manipulation to lower the real yearly totals. This being the case, a 20% rise last year could mask a real fall in numbers of 0% to 5,8,20 percent or more.
These figures are of course for last year , a year in which during the first half we had a Labour government. Does anyone think that in the half year that the present government was in power it would have been possible to put into place a system that would stop the rot of 13 years of open borders. I'm beginning to suspect that DM reporters and editors more interested in sensationalism than reality.It is also possible that less Brits are emigrating because they have at last realised that the grass is not always greener abroad.
Dennis, Darlington, You have had one for the last few years but have not had the courage or sense to read their policies, only believe like sheep that they are racist. But most of the BNP's predictions are coming true now.
Better get out of EU. These immigrants not only robbed the British of jobs, but many of them turn to crimes. Act before the Englishmen become minority
Immigration from the EU - can't control it - can't slow it down - can't stop it. Politicians - never - ever dare mention that. Every citizen in every Mickey Mouse EU country has the - RIGHT - to come here... without even asking. The situation has now gone way beyond a ' problem '.... it's become both terminal - and hopless.
All the protests about government comes the General Election the masochistic electorate will again vote for the same lying scum is it any wonder that we're treated with such arrogance
The net immigration figure can easily be reduced - simply increase the number of lazy, idle, useless locals (of which there is a vast supply) to Spain etc. Pprovided the same number are exported as are imported net immigration will be zero. Problem solved All the best Dave
.As You must take responsibility for voting blair, prescott, brown and Their champagne swilling mates into power for thirteen years during, which time, they systematically destroyed this country and left it in the state it now is..! - the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 25/8/2011 16:58 Explain 'destroyed this country?' Cameron has funded Libya at a rate of millions per day (work THAT out over 6 months and it's still costing more as we speak) and this war wasn't happening at the election. Hague even announced the other day that ANOTHER £20 million is being given to help the rebels. Cameron also INCREASES overseas aid, oh I forgot, he took £50 and £100 off the pensioners to help fund it. WE are bailing out countries which DO have financial problems. (not the other way round) A country which can afford all of the above isn't anywhere near to being bankrupt.
Different coloured tie...same old c..p....do these political parties have a cartel going between them selves?
Immigration is the symptom. Benefits are the problem.
People have very short memories, Labour were in Power for 13 years the things they implemented whilst in Government cannot be wiped out over night., it takes time to unravel the unholy mess Labour has left this Country in. What did Brown call the Woman in Rochdale who dared to bring the subject up on immigration, a Bigot, just think what a bigger mess the Country would be in if Labour were still in Power. We just have to keep reminding the coalition of what we the Electorate want & expect. Nick Clegg & His Party the Lib-dems are all for immigration so Cameron Has His work cut out.
The dumb voters who keep voting for the Lib/Lab/Con brigade are responsible for the immigration problem.. You are getting exactly what you voted for and you will be voting for the same crowed at the next election......People commenting on here blaming the politicians they keep voting for .... How thick are they????
Take note Mr Cameron - make no mistake - The Government will stand or fall on this issue!
What are YOU going to do about it? I'll be voting UKIP.......AGAIN.
The only vote in this country regarding Europe was for the 'Common Market' ...absolutely nothing to do with what the giant dictatorship it has become. Bureaucrats have had their way and politians have seized the opportunity to make money from it who give us the same speel . Talk to anyone, and you hear the same condemnation, and what do they do? vote the same supporters in. uggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
From a a purely selfish point of view, as an employer I welcome the influx of Poles. Polish people are by and large hard working, attentive, polite, conscientious and well-mannered people. I would much rather employ a Pole than an uneducated, illiterate, innumerate, uncouth , lazy local from a family of benefit scroungers. The government does not only need to work to reduce net migration, it also needs to reduce the number of people in this country who are not employable due to the fact that they come from families that have no concept of work and are propped up by our bloated welfare state.
The question? Teresa May - but of course she didn't. How much longer are we going to get 'a big boy did it and ran away?'
Benefits, pensions, and free health care should not be made available to people who have made no contribution. Get that sorted out and the problem is solved. I am sick of my taxes being used in this way, and if this isn't bad enough, the government are borrowing to squander on foreign aid as well, it is beyond beleif!
It is well known that all future things made by this government are meaningless. Camerom either forgets about promises or finds a way to do a u-turn. It appears that the smurfs would be able to make a better government than this useless and costly crowd.
This country is in a mess. We have to stop immigration now. We cannot have immigrants pouring in, having babies and claiming benefits. There are not enough jobs for people already living in Britain, never mind millions of extra immigrants. I would love to get rid of the existing government and have another election. I am sickened by the corruption, ie the politicians expenses scandal, which has went on for decades, and the greedy banks, job losses and lack of stimulas to the economy. Cut politicians expenses in half for a start. That should help the deficit. And sort out the Banking industry. Bank charges and bank accounts which charge you for using your money is disgusting.
Our whole culture is being taken from us. Anyone complaining though should know that the answer is NEVER AGAIN to vote for the idiots who got us into this mess. (Lab/Con/Lib) I know who I'll be voting for -a party that will take immigration seriously and will deport those who have no right to be here or once here abuse our hospitality. - Mike, Dunstable England, 25/8/2011 11:57 What do you mean by our culture? Do you even have one? Your country has no culture or discipline ,no morals and ethics. You're all rude , disrespectful towards other cultures. Obesity , teenage pregnancy , crime , illiteracy. This is what Great Britain is all about. Read the news. You cannot hide from the truth darling.
Hardly news - of course they're doing nothing about it. As long as Labour and Tories are the options, this will continue to occur. Britons will be a minority sooner than anyone wants to admit - high birth rates + mass immigration is very scary indeed. Even scarier is that anyone who points this out is branded a 'racist'. The UK is falling apart before our eyes
Close the borders - we do not need them full stop.
Irrespective of what political party is in government, they only say what you want to hear then do absolutely sod all about it. The main component in this issue is the "human rights" act and if the government was serious about immigration and terrorist control it would repeal this act under the guise of cut backs (ie we can't afford it) and not pay the human rights lawyers from public funds, we would soon see how many of them suddenly lose "interest" including Mrs Cherie Blair.
That flaming EU , Grrrrr .
We have a few hundred boat people to worry about nothing like the UK problem. We could do with a boost to our population due to the mining boom and the skill shortage. We only have 5 million in the state of Victoria, which is the same size as the UK. Queensland and WA also need more people.
mr Slimy Cameron is just a bag of wind. Theres not much he said he would do that has actually happened except the country has gone to dogs even further than when i got fed up and left it. The dear old Queen is the only thing that would get me back trying to save it Tories are just as bad as Labour
The only thing this government appear to be any good at driving down are the prospects of economic recovery. In 15 months, they have made everything worse - NHS, crime, welfare, employment, education - the list goes on. Immigration is just the latest thing.
The fact is the hard working Polish are hired by British managers. Rant and rave at your own.
As much as I want to carry on blaming Blair and his new Labour, which is partly true, BUT !!!, this government now been in office for almost 15 months, have we seen anything ? any action to cure the problem ? NO !!! All I hear are talks, talk is cheap, we want action !! If other EU countries can stick two fingers at the EU to protect their citizens, why didnt we do the same ? A sign of a government with no spine ?
The problem is that nobody wants to make the tough decisions. Immigration will work but it has to be the right people.....people who are employable, will work and pay taxes and are willing to live by the UK's rules. They have to be able to contribute. British people are suffering in these economic conditions so why bring more hard luck stories in to create a bigger burden. Until things turn around, selfish decisions need to be made to protect the people of Britain.
I am 77 and have never voted in my life, the reason, I never knew which thief, crook cheat or liar to vote for, I nearly voted for Cameron am I glad I didn't it's clear which category I put him in, tell a lie I did vote NO to the common market. This is not a democracy, it is a Hypocrisy, just watch it all unfold,
It is the young British kids that I feel sorry for. The country is changing. 1 million of our own British under 25's are not in education, employment or training. I have spoken to a few of them. They want to work - they really do. But the jobs which would give them their first start which were their for their parents and their grandparents are invariably being snapped up by immigrant workers. Go into any bar, supermarket or restaurant. The workers are often not British. These are maybe not the best jobs in the world - but I know a lot of young British men and women who would do just about anything for those jobs just to get a start. A lost generation of British kids is looming and the government says their hands are tied. Well Blair (and it really was his fault) answer me why we did not have the foresight like Germany to place limits on the number of workers allowed in to Britain from Eastern European countries? It makes me very sad and someone should go tell Europe enough is enough!
Don't you understand yet? The government is not for us but against us. They are not stupid, they are mischievous and "democracy" exists only to get them into power..not to exercise that power. The Libyan rebels seem to be doing well .......Mmm ? !! Cameron would be easier to find than Gaddafi !!!
People need to understand no matter what there politicians in Westminster say they control nothing and least of all immigration. Leaving aside immigration from the EU which they have no power over the EU is even allowing immigration from non EU countries like India. We can talk about this till the cows come home but nothing is going to change and wait till Turkey joins whose membership is supported by Cameron.
"Four babies born to women who were born abroad to every three born to British-born women." Does that equal " a quarter of babies were born to foreign mothers" ??? Isn't that over half? What will the next generation look like in 20 years?
A labour spokesperson says the government is not telling the truth to the British public! Does'nt it make you sick! Labour who accelarated increased immigration, spent money like water, take us into a war on lies then get voted out. A change of government full of promises which are believed & then we continually find out that they are no different from the last lot of liars & cheats! Is anyone really suprised we have again people in power who are not fit for purpose? Within this article a statement about the number of people leaving the UK. This will continue until what is left is a mongrel of a nation, once great, but a country not 'fit for heroes' but the dreggs of the world! Look back since this two faced liar as been in power & honestly say if you could vote for his lot in the next election or as an alternative vote labour liars back in? You that are left in the UK take up the mantle and make a profound change! You can make history as the voters who 'saved' the country!
That's it, I'm off to Spain to seek asylum....Fuel costs have worked me out of a job. I can no longer find a job locally as they are all taken by foreigners. I can't go away at all even to find a job in case my home is invaded by squatters and then I have no right to claim it back. I'm petrified that we will be bombed because of all the wars our government are involved in! The weather is making me depressed! and above all its my Human Right to be happy! Wonder if I could get it?? or maybe if they don't allow me in then I could try France. Surely one of these EU countries will have me........please anywhere except this smelting pot we call Britain.
Glad my father and grandfather are not around to see what is happening in the country they both fought so hard to defend. Freedom was something to be cherished...today it has become a joke.Very, very sad times.
Well done to the DM for exposing our treacherous government yet again. Sadly I was one of the millions of gullible people who actually believed the Tories last year when they said that they were different from the other two of our richest three political parties.
There are two fundamental questions to answer a) If Britain didn't colonized most of the countries outside Europe and continue to meddle in their political system impose war on them to get access to their natural resources there would be little migration from those countries.b) Britain is been dictated by European Union to all anyone from other European member countries and the contributes to 95% of migrants so unless you get yourself out of that mess stop making endless noise about it. Welcome to Britain free social housing and receive money you don't worked for in the form of benefits.Mother Teresa of all nations.
We could try impeachment? The last time this was tried was on Tony Blair by General Sir Michael Rose in 2006 but sadly it didn't work. Maybe it might this time...
This is no coincidence, it is happening in every European nation. Flood Europe with third world migrants, label anyone who complains a "racist", "fascist" or "nazi". Systematically deconstruct European cultures and identities through mass immigration, so that we may never be able to call ourselves a majority again. This twisted tactic is working, the existinction of Europeans could take less then a century if Europeans don't wake up. The truth is harsh.
TIME TO LEAVE THE EU.British jobs for British workers just as long as you are polish or some other European immigrant so the employers can exploit to drive down wages. Close our borders and tell EU to take a running jump, at least we then dont have to shell out or taxes on EU gravy train. If you ignore the issue of immigrant all this will do is cause more resentment. I dont mind some EU immigrants but no on this scale. I have two teenage kids who rarely took time of school/college they cant find work, what hope is there, thsi country isnt our own anymore
THANK YOU NU LABOUR! !!
Perhaps we could hire a lot more Romanians to move into Border Control police and politicians' houses?
I am sick and tired of hearing the worn out counter argument offered by the Polish that we also have the option to move to an EU country. How many people have you ever heard stating that they are planning to pack up their life in the UK and move to Poland? To date I have not heard a single one. Why on earth would anyone leave the UK to start a new life in what is fundamentally a third world country, albeit one that regrettably happens to be part of the EU? When I was a student in my teens, my friends and I often secured summer jobs/Saturday jobs to help fund our lives whilst we were studying. My poor daughter and her friends are unfortunately unable to find such roles now whilst at university as all waitressing/bar/retail work is occupied by the Polish almost exclusively. It would not be so bad if the Polish were here to integrate but most quite openly admit that they are only here to exploit us, make as much money as they can and then take their money back to their homeland.
Promises, Promises, Promises, Lies, Lies and more Lies don't they ever give up trying .... ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
We do not have a Conservative Government we have a Coalition and the Lib.Dems wouldn't even hear of withdrawing from the EU. The Human Rights Act has almost made any government of the country impotent. Every time people are to be deported some Human Rights lawyer steps in and says it can't be done. Judges often come down on the side of the European Courts - what on earth is the point in us having an elected government or our own judiciary? 'No benefits will be available' has been tried - again it was ruled as illegal. Where on earth is all the money coming from? Why do we have to keep on accepting people from outside the EU - I didn't think Somalia was part of the EU but perhaps I have missed something. David Cameron could regain his credibility by at least holding a Referendum on the issue. Perhaps another election should be held but heaven forbid if Labour should gain control again - they got us in to this mess in the first place. People have very short memories.
Can't someone in Government realise that Net Immigration is a nonsense . If you lose a skilled Briton to another country , and replace him with an unskilled migrant , then all you have done is dumb down Britain . The only people that benefit are the countries that receive the skilled Briton . That is why the Ten Pound Pom scheme worked so well for Oz , for the price of a boat ticket , they got a person of better than average health [ you had to pass a medical ] , and a person that had already been educated and skilled at some other one's expense . Oz actually owes Britain a lot of money for education fees etc !!
Shabana Mahmood says, "The government is not being honest with the British public". Shock!!! Horror!!! Surely this can't be so!? Hang on a minute. Since when has ANY government been honest with it's public?
What a ridiculous story. Numbers increased 2010/11. Government changed in May 2010 after 13 years....Give them a chance!
One day soon, a charismatic, intelligent, media savvy ,sensible politician will come to the fore, and he or she will get so much support from the Joe Blogg`s of the UK that it will be frightening,. There is such a backlash coming against Political Correctness, EU stupidity, unfettered immigration, and all the other idiotic stuff foisted on us by Blair/Broon, and continued , unchanged by Camoron. Bring it on.
The big lie is that a big rich country can stop immigration,it can't be done, EU or no EU. All the red arrows in the world won't change that.
And guess what our council tax goes up because of all the immigrants living 20 a house (but only pay for 2 or 3 people's use of refuse disposal etc etc). Which is then of course overcrowding, which would give them points on the council waiting list ...(which is about 10 years long for all English working people) should they be eligible to be on one. Keep punishing the prudent and then wonder why there are so many people needing government assistance. And to think my grandfather fought aged 16 in and 20 in two wars for this!
So many racist people on here! Loads of immigrants are really hard working, so get your facts straight before insulting them. Its so easy to blame the 'immigrants'.... But maybe you should look closer to home
What do you expect if you keep voting for the big three parties. The Conservatives no longer represent the views of most "conservative" people. This country is commiting slow motion suicide but we still vote for more of the same. GET US OUT OF THE EU AND GIVE US AN ENGLISH PARLIAMENT!
All you liittle englanders and nasty racists have been sold a pup by the tories did you really believe they would reduce immigration The torie paymasters the CBI are on every other week complaining about how poor the english worker is and how others will work for less They are using immigration to force ALL the working class wages to SLAVE level to profit big business How is it that Mc Donalds pay minimum wage in UK but in other countries such as Sweden are forced to pay the average wage and yet still make a profit Stiil as long as the big donors keep cameron in power the profits for CApita G4S and the rest will keep rolling in and it will be the average joe who will suffer RIOTS you aint seen nothing yet
RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 Couldn't agree with you more!
For all the hot-air and outrage being expended over this, these figures are for the calendar year to December 2010 - in other words, the current government had been in place for just over 6 months. Yes, the figures for immigration need to be reduced, but no-one's going to achieve much in 6 months, especailly with the massive numbers of asylum claims left over from the previous administration. Even the DM website has carried advertisements from immigration lawyers promising to get people in - there's a huge industry going on with this, with lawyers making fortunes in legal aid. Not to mention the Human Rights Act which is used to scupper anything sensible. I rerally don't have time for criticism from the left, who built up this crazy system and called anyone who questioned it a bigot.
Imagine 20% per annum for the next 20 years. We'll be pushed off the cliffs off Dover. - Jeff, Pudsey, 25/8/2011 16:25++++++++++++++++++++++++= Nah we won't. Lots of new schools and flats are being built in the East End of London to house and educate the deluge so you don't have to worry about falling off the cliffs. Very nice houses and flats too - I saw some being carpeted today - I'm quite jealous - I want a new flat with nice new carpets etc etc.
We have simply changed one load of bungling half wits for another. - kenherts, herts,----------------------For heavens sake WAKE UP, THEY'RE NOT HALFWITS OR INCOMPETENTS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, have done for years. It's been a deliberate policy, of all parties, to dilute the English, every government from Labour, Tory and now the coalition have been made up of those that hate the country and the English, that's why every government has carried out all EU diktats to the letter and beyond The ain is to wipe England & other EU countries from the world map, when maps are redrawn England & others will no longer be included as independent nations but as regions, the new Federal State of Europe will cover the whole of Europe with Brussels as its capital. I've come to think something has been added to the water supply the way people continuously vote for their own demise, either that or the majority of the elecorate are mentally challenged.
"The number of people migrating to the UK soared by more than 20 per cent last year, according to official figures released today." You only have to look at the graph to see that this is not true - immigration levels have been broadly steady since 2004. Emigration has dropped, but that's no doubt due to life being so much better under the Coalition!
Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!! - Jo Higham, southport, 25/8/2011 19:09 == Because 4 months of it are Labour, 8 are Tory and with a coalition they have to fight between them selves before putting it through the house. But what does it matter they are all lying scum who don't keep election pledges, they steal from us, cheat us, try to control our lives with their social experiments and we sit here arguing over which is the lesser of the 2 evils. Vote independent and kick all 3 out next time.
You will all read this and rant. But, come the next election, you will all vote Tory again. You get the government you deserve.
Time to ask employers of overseas workers to pay their health Insurance until they have at least one years NI contributions. The British need health Insurance when working or retiring abroad. A German student friend was surprised no-one bothered to ask for hers at the doctors surgery,yet it is £10 a visit to see a GP in Germany.If all was equal over the EU we would not moan so much. Why would I want to go to Poland and get poor wages?Our NHS, free education,child benefits etc without having first contributed brings the immigrants in.
Of course they want to immigrate to the soft touch UK the minute they land here they are given housing, generous benefits etc. I was under the impression that this government was going to cap immigration or was that just election spin. Unfortunately nu labour has left a lasting legacy and it's not a good legacy. I feel we are loosing are culture at an alarming rate the future does not look good.
Any emigration by indeginous native Britons is bad. Too much immigration is bad. When you have three times as much immigration compared to a similar period of many years ago, in a country hampered by the eu and regulation (mostly by the eu), and a world that allows immigration to happen quicker (technology and movement) in a country that cannot build the infrastructure, because of the regulations etc, and where people do not become or respect Britain and British values or ways of life (some cases there values can be better) assimilate, mix, bring crime, export pounds. How can this be a good thing, especially when the UK has no control over this, which is the actual problem. British talent goes abroad, what comes here? A world in which people from similar countries come here, ie, Canadians New Zealanders etc, and where native Britons stay and breed is what we should be looking for. Otherwise this is a form of genocide on the Briton. Is this happening elsewhere. We need to leave the eu.
"The Poles work harder, for longer and for less than Brits. They cause no social problems, and cost the country nothing in terms of benefits. Their success is a testament to their industriousness. If all Brits had their work ethic, we'd be much the better for it. - Bippy, London".__________________I'm of Polish origin, and I work with several (immigrant) Poles. They do not work any harder, or any less hard, than the English, Irish, Indian and Caribbean staff I also work with. I also speak the language fluently. Because of this, I know what many are saying about this country and its people - and it's NOT pleasant. There are plenty of social problems caused by recent Polish immigrants - from benefit fraud to murder. Unfortunately, even a member of my family from Poland turned to crime, before moving to another EU country. It may have been true before 2004 that few Poles caused the UK any problems, but a significant number here now are simply Poland's "chavs".
THE BETRAYAL GOES ON. Has there been any difference in who wins a general election during the last 50 years.
Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!! - Jo Higham, southport, 25/8/2011 19:09..............................................Easy - because those that Labour let in over 13 years are now bringing their extended families and helping the rest of their countrymen by hiring and hiding their own countrymen. To be blunt, Labour not only opened the gate but broke it.
It's quite clear that net migration would be reduced if more British citizens chose to become immigrants themselves.
Is it any wonder that British people, myself included, are beginning to absolutely hate the sight and sound of foreigners? I mean, they come over here, fair enough they do the jobs that most Brits don't want to do, but they send 95% of their money home....to Eastern Europe mostly. People are losing jobs, losing money, everything's becoming more expensive and why? Because money is leaving our economy at a rapid pace! I read on this website that 400 MILLION pounds get sent back to one Eastern European country EVERY year. And that's just ONE country, what about the rest?! It's no wonder that everything is becoming more expensive when there's less money to go around! There will be another British civil war within the next 10 years - when British people turn against the government and the immigrants that they rate so highly. Why should immigrants get treated better by the government than its own people?! I don't get it. We're the ones who pay the taxes and yet they're the ones benefiting.
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 This post was doing the rounds on Facebook the other week.
What a lot of utter tosh from Damian Green. Typical politicians fork-tongued rubbish. 'After almost two years of increasing net migration the figures stabilised in the last quarter,' he said.'This explains why the Government radically changed immigration policy, from our first months in office, to.... Utter meaningless rubbish! The British people want our borders controlled and if necessary closed to the flood of riff-raff that is attracted by our looney benefits system. If it means leaving the EU, the sooner the better. That move would have a multiplicity of benefits for Britain.
There would be more people leaving the country IF THEY COULD AFFORD TO , if the euro was stronger most people would be off like a shot ,
Not so easy now your in the dugout is it Mr Dave"all talk no action"Cameron. Still on to your next publicity shot.
All immigration should be stopped for at least 2 years. That way the current applicants can be cleared one way or the other. Immigration and Asylum centres can not cope with the constant flood. After two years boarders should then only be opened to all but the smartest and the richest.
And they talk about democracy.
I believe its far, far worse than these figures. I live in a rural community, yet when I visit the small towns nearby I feel like a foreigner abroad. That can't be right. there aren't enough jobs for the local people as it was, now there is even less. Time to put a stop to all these one way traffic, we must ensure that anyone entering our country can only do so for a limited time, (say 5 years maximum) they must have a job to go to and somewhere to live. Basic requirements. Also they should not be able to receive any benefits until they have worked for a minimum of 2 years. Lets stop this stupidty once and for all.
I agree with people who want to leave the E.U.but it ain`t going to happen because pilgrims you no longer have a country to call your own if you don`t belive me if you have a passport take a look at the front cover it tells you all you need to know.
Why do you keep voting Lib/Lab/Con? - Maybe it's because you are all dumbed-down. You deserve what you get, as you voted them in.
Only a fool would be surprised that our leaders have not stopped immigration into this country. They need cheap labour for their pals businesses or they would have to pay a fair wage for Brits to do unpleasant jobs.
The only way to stop this is to get rid of the political class, before they finish the job on England.
@ Jo Higham: Was it not Labour who signed us up to every EU convention going including not putting any controls of freedom of movement of EU nationals in 2003? Unless we now pull out of the EU altogether, we have no option but to allow uncontrolled immigr
The British people are a nation of weaklings who voted for their own demise by voting for a succession of weak, cowardly and ineffectual governments. According to DarwinÂ’s Theory of Evolution, the strong will feed on the weak. The British will soon become another lost civilisation consigned to history.
meet the new bbc (blair brown cameron) all liars and full of broken promises ...dont forget who used the phrase first
Net Immigration or Net Migration you mean ? English is a Puzzle :)
Why are foreign students classified as migrants? Please give me the answers folks!
Mr Cameron is another Tony Blair.........You judge people by their actions not what they say. Tony Blair was a master of this..............No Tony it is not a compliment.............The Conservative party, based on just one speech selected Mr Cameron over David Davis, they selected the wrong man. - Bill, Yorkshire, 25/8/2011 19:10-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well said Bill. David Davis bought up on a council estate, single parent, when to Grammar School. This is the man that would truly represent the 'silent majority' in the UK today. You right about 'Phoney Tony' and 'Cotswolds Cameron' both on a ego trip and earning good money pretending to be friends to all people, while looking after themselves financially in our trough - Got that rant off my chest
I have so had it with Politicians of all Parties, the lies that are told anger me so much that i have decided not to vote anymore, something i never thought would happen, the impact of immigration may not be felt by Politicians but it is felt by the majority, why is it no one has the guts to bring legislation forward that people want, not little left wing groups or self interest groups,why no referendum? the majority want one yet the arrogance of ALL parties say no, who the hell are they to tell us no? they are supposed to be servants not masters,
Read the figures properly, IMMIGRATION has dropped, but less people have left, raising the overall figure.
"Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!!"- Jo Higham, southport*****************It should not need an explanation! the systems & laws which took 13 years for labour to put in place are still having to be used. It will take more than 1 year to sort it out & probably another decade to reverse it, If that ever happens. We now have so many groups set up in place to defend the system as it is, there is no quick fix. We have human rights & we are signed into the eu. This was done more than a year ago. We also have the lib dems in government with the tories did no one tell you that? who are in favour of mass immigration.
The British People, sadly have only themselves to blame for electing the same LibLabConmen and women over and over, and, despite being constantly urinated upon by them, continuing to believe them when they tell them that it's raining!
The ONLY way to stop people coming from EU and other countries is to make the UK less attractive to them, its too obvious for any more comment.
"Of course the tories would increase immigration. They want the cheap labour for their companies and estates so that they can increase their wealth. .........- Windrush, Surrey, 25/8/2011 11:15" CORRECTION: immigrant labour is not cheaper; provided they are legal, they are paid the same as Brits or more, as many get help with housing / relocation costs. Companies hire immigrants so that they are not seen to be racist or they discriminate against Brits who have been labelled as workshy by our racist government.
You vote labour and get more immigrant. You vote conservative and get more immigrants. You vote liberal and get more immigrants. You vorted for them why are you moaning? How thick are the English?
Do we blame this on the last Labour Government or the new one ?
stop blaming the EU and Immigrants for this mess, IT is our GOVERNMENTS that as created the problem. maybe its time to ditch these politicians and have freedom and real democracy back in this country once more.
Never trust the Lib/Lab/Con tricksters, it only encourages them to do even more damage. The ANto english Liebore Party are to blame for mass unfettered immigration that has change this once wonderful country forever and now the Con Dems are prooving that they are just as inept despite promises made to the electorate. If you care DON'T VOTE LIB/LAB/CON EVER AGAIN........
Enough is enough. The Poles should be encouraged to look for richer countries to work in if they can't find jobs at home. In a few years they might outnumber the native population. I hear they have already built almost one thousand mosques in Britain. Looks like they fancy staying here for good.
Looks like MailOnline blocked my tiny research on ONS data. Come on I did not challenge article's author intelligence. I don't mind DM so called 'racism' toward Poles but for God sake do the math and don't mix data from statistic with sick imagination. I'll repeat. How can MOST of DM readers have problem with 532,000 Poland born resident but not with: 693,000 India born; 431,000 Pakistan born; 405,000 Ireland born;296,000 Germany born; 236,000 South Africa born; 220 Bangladesh born;200,000 USA born resident; 151,000 Nigeria born; 150,000 Jamaica born resident? (data from ONS)
Open the door, let everyone have a chance to live here.... on one condition - they arrive in the knowledge they have to support themselves totally for the first 25 years, have somewhere to live already arranged before they get here.
Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!! Jo Higham, southport, 25/8/2011 19:09 Errrrr, the statistics are for the year 2010. Who were in power for the first half of the year? Who had an 'open door' policy on immigration for the 13 years before? Can such a flood be stemmed in a mere six months?There was no increase in immigration - fewer people were left the country.
we need a government that will admit they have messed up yet again, not to keep expecting the tax payers to pay for there mistakes, camerons proposed cuts will cause severe problems for all vunerable people involved. close gates to immigration, all assylum claims being processed refuse !!! we cannot afford it.enough is enough, we wont have a britain left if cameron is allowed to go ahead with all his proposed cuts.
As if we did not have enough bloody immigrants, so much for tough talking Cameron. Yet another broken promise by the Tories, its about time we all woke up to what this stupid Government are all about. They have broke promises time after time, and what happens we the British People sit back and let them get away it.
Could a petition for UK to leave the EU be started?? I'm sure if we got enough signatures they would have to consider it?
Colin Rigg As if we did not have enough bloody immigrants, so much for tough talking Cameron. Yet another broken promise by the Tories, its about time we all woke up to what this stupid Government are all about. They have broke promises time after time, and what happens we the British People sit back and let them get away it.
Nothing against Aussies but am I the only one that notices that they seem to be the biggest influx of migration to the UK but are merely ever mentioned in the statistics and not to mention they take a lot of the higher skilled jobs...FACT
IF we get a referendum on immigration,capital punishment and the result is a victory for the hard pressed country,do you think Cameron will heed it?Not a chance.This and the previous devious shower stick to every stupid damaging EU rule unlike the French but in this case they will ignore any result they dont like. One must ask,who are we to try to promote democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan?
What fools they obviously think we are, we must never again elect any one of the Lying LibLabConmen and women ever again!
Why blame the Polish? They are prepared to do the work they are asked to do. As an employer I will prefer a foreigner who has loyalty and dependability to someone who talks about rights and threatens to take me to the cleaners as they will ALWAYS have benefits to support them when they are unemployed!
Keep paying more taxes. You want stricter rules on immigration - tough. You want criminals top be punished - tough. You want to deport people even if it infringes on their human rights - tough. You want the jobless to look for work - tough. There is only one group of people the government will be hard with. There is only one group of people that the government will not listen to - and thats the tax payer. No wonder people are doing all they can to get here by legal and illegal means. They know someone will be paying for them!
soft inmigration policy, double nationality and easy acces to the european union, free social service, free home and welfare, that is why millions of locals and inmigrants live in UK, in USA no legal papers no jobs, no documents for work, drive or buy properties, now is 0 tolerant with inmigrants, no A8 no B, or C only US, for EU and UK is difficult to stay in USA and worse from other country.
I've just submitted my application for permanent residency after being in the UK for 5 years. In that time I've started a business, paid a shedload of tax, paid off my (British) landlord's mortgage, but not for one second, put out my hand for benefits. I would never do that. I'd rather eat dirt. I love it here! Do you readers really think that stopping immigration will solve your problems? I left Australia because it is a relatively narrow-minded place to be. Britain is definitely not, or at least I thought. One of my other Visa conditions is to not ask for sympathy but I will ask that you take 5 minutes to get acquainted with the facts. Here's an excerpt from the same report the DM refers to: "Immigration to the UK for work-related reasons dropped to 193,000 (from 220,000 in 2008) and is at the lowest point since before A8 accession in 2004." It's all about the facts, people!
This is why I stopped voting Tory.
Bear in mind that the number of immigrants quoted is those who are known about and have the right paperwork. We all know that there are a great many more who slip in under the radar or overstay their visas. We also know that many of those who feature as Emigrants are bright ambitious young people going away to other countries to build a good life for themselves. I've never thought that a Romanian gipsy was much of a trade for a smart young doctor or engineer - which is why these 'net migration' figures so beloved of Blair and Brown never told even half the story. That said, the present Government is showing no more aptitude for controlling immigration than it has for having 'bonfires' of quangos.
Stop benefits for anyone coming to the UK and you immediately stop immigration. In addition benefits to those people coming to the UK from thje extended European Union should be "Capped" at the same amount that they would receive in their country of birth. If this cannot be acheived the bring us out of the EEC.
########## Keep voting for the main three parties, and wonder why it's the same old same old. They are all tarred with the same brush, or hadn't you noticed? ##########
This is reminiscent of the end of the Roman Empire when weak leaders allowed German tribes like the Visigoths to walk in and take over. Shame really, it was quite a green and pleasant land protected for centuries by leaders like Henry V Elizabeth 1, Nelson, Wellington, all those that fell at Yypres, Paschendale, the Somme and then Churchill stoically fighting back against the might of the National Socialist . Socialism stinks pretty much, don't the leaders who swear to protect the people of this country have any conscience at all.
In fairness to the Government, the main reason net immigration has gone up seems to be not because more foreign nationals are coming here but rather that less native Britons can afford to flee the foreign country that much of the UK is rapidly becoming!
Immigration would stop if all benefits and free housing were stopped. Also any jobs available should first be offered to English citizens. Give immigrants nothing, they will soon stop enterning this country
Look. This government have been told time and again how to reduce immigration. People come here for our benefits. You have to use the benefits system to manage immigration down. And let's not have any of this "you can't do anything about inward immigration from the EU" lie. By changing the benefits system, you will, at a stroke, make this country less attractive for wasters. Come on IDS, you exposed that 75% of new jobs went to foreigners. Talk is cheap - now do something about it. 1. No benefits of any kind, no matter where you come from (including if you're British) unless you can pass an English test. 2. We will only pay benefits at the rate paid by your country of nationality. So, if you are British, you get the British tariff, Polish the Polish, Somali the Somali..... 3. No child or chld related benefit of any kind (including inclresed housing benefit) for more than 2 children. Those children must be UK resident. Act now or face another 200+ next year!
What about their human rights? - Graham, London, 25/8/2011 11:39 Does the readership of the DM not understand irony anymore?
Britain will never again be self sufficient that is a reality we have to face. We must however endeavour to purchase things that are available in Britain without importing them and causing the money to purchase to go abroad and be invested there instead of being poured back into our economy. We can rebuild the industries we lost years ago. Public works programmes could be created to build or repair the infrastructure we need putting to work our unemployed. If individuals called upon to join these programmes refuse then their benefits should be stopped. Conscription could be reinstated for people aged between 18 and 21. This would help build character in the youth that has lost it's way, respect and pride in and for our nation would become a reality after such a long time lacking. Stop immigration, track down and deported all illegal immigrants. Put pensioners before immigrants. When I say immigrants no colour or creed would be exempt from repatriation.
A dirty bomb left as a legacy by Liebore, which when combined with Yooman Rites and Guardianistas in all parties, makes for an accelerated end to any values this once proud nation ever had. God save us all!
I wish the would stop giving benefits to immigrants aswell. You shouldnt ge a penn til they have paid taxes for 5 years. Then they would be less likely to come. They come from dangerous countries, its sad but we can keep everyone for gods sake. I refuse this multicultural nonescence. We are not!
To have hope of controlling immigration drastic action would be required. We would have to withdraw from the UN Convention on asylum. This convention is way out of date, the obligation to apply for asylum in the first safe country has long been ignored, it is now a vehicle for economic migration. Second, we have to restrict the right of EU workers to come and settle in the UK. we would have to close all the avenues of immigration such as arranged and sham marriages, chain migration through so called family reunion. Tougher visa and boarder controls. Deportation of all illegals and withdrawal from the EU Human Rights legislation and the EU. Trouble is none of this is going to happen, the Liberals, the Left and the BBC would go apoplectic. We are faced with the sad fact, and contrary to some commentators there is no advantage for the Tories in the open door immigration policy inherited from New Labour, immigration will continue unabated until we reach 3rd world poverty levels.
They cant do anything cos the they are scared they offend someone. Thats the problem throughtout society and its going to get worse. They are here in numbers now. Get out of the EU and stop saying we are multicultural. We are not in the north.
Cons,labour makes no difference on immigration as they are all to gutless in the face of the leftie do-gooder groups.Mark my words this country will continue to admit endless immigrants,until we burst at the seams.Already the FOURTH most densely populated place on earth,none of these politicians will be happy until we are number1.
Enough of this nonsense. Most immigrants are of working age, ie taxpayers. They are paying for your pensions and your NHS treatment, grannies and grandads. The logical and graceful thing would be to shut up and be grateful.
Folks, we hate to remind You but You voted for Cameron, Clegg and their hooray Henry mates so You must take responsibility...(!) - alan, beverley, east yorks, 25/8/2011 15:29 ********************** And may I ask who YOU voted for over the last 13 years Alan, not the idiots who got us into this mess in the first place by any chance, did you?
Another broken promise from our useless politicians!
Oliver Cromwell springs to mind.
Do a lot of Americans visit the mail on-line. What will you do without your picker upper ask an Aussie.
riots, crime up, unemployment up, NHS waiting times up, students debts up, schools in a mess, major tax avoidence by super rich and the poor pay more tax...oh and immigration is up too. How which of these tory polices is working which is making this country a happier, healthier and safer place? Can someone remind me?
Looks like "British jobs for British workers" is off the menu for the next few centuries then..........................
The question is, what is the amount that decides the country is full
Lets face it we really really know the answer. The Eastern European block in particulary come over here because they look at what they get in benefits. Take away houseing benefit, community tax and family tax credits etc and you would see more than half of them disappear. You see the EU LAW says that when they come here they are entitled to what the indigineous population get.That nice Mr Blair signed up for that and Nu labour. We are ripped off and quiet frankly there is nothing anyone can do unless we pull out of the Eu, pss an a act that only British nationals get benefits. Australia has the right approach. Until you prove your worth you have to place a sum of money up front and prove that you and yours are NOT GOING TO CLAIM on the hard working Aussies.This is what the EU does and its going to get worse when they take the finance from the countries and brussels tells you what you pay in tax and what you get...
Well you know what party to vote for next time , think about it !
Could someone please tell me where the Poles are living then because if Chelsea, Kensington and Fulham are anything to go by, wherever they are living is going to be the next up and coming area!
Trouble is that the coalition has it's hands tied due to Labour......... Cameron is trying his best will take time. We have more chance with him than with the last lot who essentially just opened the floodgates......
Now get on yer Bikes and look for work you lazy Shameless Brits. And still the Turkeys vote for Christmas
Unfortunately the damage was already done, and this government's efforts to stem the flow may be likened to plugging the large hole in the boat, but leaving a thousand smaller holes; those that are already here have rights to bring over their families, as do their children and so on...
Timon, London, 25/08/2011 17:00 Can't stand the blatant racism of the BNP but starting to agree with their policies stopping immigration. I don't believe any of the mainstream parties have the backbone to enforce controls but something needs to be done. Being British and going for many jobs is a waste of time. I'm fed up of being discriminated against in my own country.
As usual, everyone knows the solution to the problem and it is very, VERY simple. Painfully so. So much so you have to wonder just why on earth the policticians bother to make all these promises they clearly have no intention of keeping. Withdraw from EU, withdraw from ECHR and draft British bill of rights, withdraw from Geneva convention as it is NEVER POSSIBLE Britain is the first safe country people reach when claiming asylum - we're an Island. So strictly speaking we don't need to withdraw as we can legally not offer it anyway...freeze any unskilled immigration which will free up a lot of time and money for the UKBA to get to grips with the millions of illegals here already and get rid. Just watch the benefits bill drop, school budgets + places free up, doctors q's suddenly shorten, the roads will be clearer the trains less crowded + Britain will start to look and FEEL like Britain again. Once we get a grip then we can think about opening the borders again in a CONTROLLED fashion.
Mr Cameron is another Tony Blair.........You judge people by their actions not what they say. Tony Blair was a master of this..............No Tony it is not a compliment.............The Conservative party, based on just one speech selected Mr Cameron over David Davis, they selected the wrong man.
If you voted Tory then this is EXACTLY what you voted for - so you have NO right to complain. The Tories have ALWAYS been the party of HIGH immigration - but they lie and pretend otherwise. If anyone believes the Tory lies then they are MORONS. Everyone with a brain knows that there is ONLY ONE party that will control immigration, and that is the BNP. The BNP is the party of decent, patriotic Britons, despite all the filthy LIES the media tell about them. If you want immigration to be sensibly controlled then the BNP is the party you should vote for. It really is as straightforward as that. - Timon, London, 25/8/2011 17:00 Would that be the same BNP that received just 1105 votes in the citywide council elections here in Leeds in May this year?
Will someone explain how Labour is to blame for increase in immigrants last year. Maybe no one has told me that Labour have been inpower for the last 12 months not Tories!!
Can't we have a vote of 'None confidence' and get this lying lot out ? as they are destroying our country, and our Queen is no help, so how do we get a government who listens to the people?
It will never come down until we get out of the EU and ditch the acursed human rights act. However, the Government already know this.
They need to hold a referendum asking if the UK people want to leave the EU or just be honest and say they cannot control immigration levels and have no desire to.
Waiting for Cameron to put his spin on this and no doubt the Labour party and the state of the economy will be in that speech spomewhere. When will Cameron just tell the truth. This Condem lot dont lknow how to run the country only their own bank balances and they will no doubt be increasing .
Actually the figures show that fewer immigrants came to the UK last year! There were more immigrants overall in the UK, over the previous year, because fewer of them left the UK. Inward immigration rates were still down though so it's wrong and inflammatory to claim that immigration has soared by 20%.
Your comments: God help us ...........looks like no-one else will!
SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!!
What happened to 'we will bring immigration down into the tens of thousands? They didn't reduce it in the 80s either. Same old, same old, cheap labour and sod the people.
The problem is largely down to greedy, unpatriotic, profiteering employers who want to use cheapest possible labour to boost their profits. Shame on them !!!
Excellent news!
Why hightlight this particular pledge?????? OK so people are getting shafted on a regular basis by government........and you still vote for these parasites.....I rest my case. Tell me a pledge they have kept that does mean one of their ilk suffers....Quangos..shut one open 3 more....the list is endless.
if mindless thugs can organise a riot why can't we organised a mass protest against the government ? we want a general election - now - aj, cheshire , 25/8/2011 14:14 The only problem with that is, that the political parties will be fielding the same inept bunch that they field every time, so its the same politicians applying the same policies with just a different face in number 10, New Labour just the same as Old Tories
Tell us something we didn't know.
Cameron cant be trusted on anything, and Labour was no better. What a choice us voters have, I wont bother anymore.
the pig three partys have been lying and cheating the english for the last 30 years and they still are,, if you want a better goverment then vote for honest people,, not the muppet slaves of the e,u
Can anyone believe what Dave says any longer??? Promises, promises, promises and NO action...well done, Dave!
Labour were Tories Who else would bring in millions to keep the working class wages down.
Hardly a shock is it ? Immigration means cheap labour, the Tory dream. We're being shafted by Tories whether it's the Conservative Party or New Labour.
Twenty years ago I wanted to take my mother back with me to Australia, because I had a brother and sister living in the UK, due to the balance they would not allow it. If anything happened to me who would look after mum, forward thinking nation Aussie's.
Why don't we become a puppet for China in Europe, we were once the puppet for the USA where did it get us, we must bend with the winds of change.
liblabcon same old agenda same old same old. yet the sheeple still vote for them!. time to leave a sinking ship! ABANDON SHIP!!!! there i said it
Its not just the Conservatives the Labour government were in for 14 years and immigration increased with them. It doesnt matter which way you vote not one of them can get immigration right. I think its simple stop immigration completely we cannot cope with the number of people on this small island as it is we are sinking fast. Close the borders now and get out of Europe !
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 What a fantastic post. There is nothing wrong with immigration, our country would be boring as hell if we did not have it. I just needs to be controlled better and any main party will never do that, as people have allready said wake up.
The answer to the problem of mass immigration is to first and foremost leave the EU. Give us a referendum and let us decide.
If you voted Tory then this is EXACTLY what you voted for - so you have NO right to complain. The Tories have ALWAYS been the party of HIGH immigration - but they lie and pretend otherwise. If anyone believes the Tory lies then they are MORONS. Everyone with a brain knows that there is ONLY ONE party that will control immigration, and that is the BNP. The BNP is the party of decent, patriotic Britons, despite all the filthy LIES the media tell about them. If you want immigration to be sensibly controlled then the BNP is the party you should vote for. It really is as straightforward as that.
I don't agree that 'net immigration' should be used as a statistic as it does not reveal the damage being done to the social fabric. In effect the indiginous population members that can go are leaving and being replace by various alien cultures. The statistic that matters is 'Immigration'. Ignore those leaving. Damningly for the government, this gives a much more disturbing picture. In my view this disruption to the nation, is one of the contributrary factors to the recent riots.
Folks, we hate to remind You but You voted for Cameron, Clegg and their hooray Henry mates so You must take responsibility...(!) - alan, beverley, east yorks, 25/8/2011 15:29.........................As You must take responsibility for voting blair, prescott, brown and Their champagne swilling mates into power for thirteen years during, which time, they systematically destroyed this country and left it in the state it now is..!
It's legally impossible just now (and a bit rotten) to kick them out just like that especially as they were basically invited by the previous naive idealistic can't-count-for-toffee Government so what needs to be done is find out why they wanted to abandon their own homeland in the first place and then give them a boost or aid/tips in fixing it and they'll willfully want to live there again, This could be done with the help of all the other EU countries and just for once it could work in tandem for a legitamite harmonious purpose, Go on i dare you's to try it
Lord FC of Chunder - You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Britain can be made self sufficient. We can't grow exotic tropical fruits or vegetables (that includes staples like bananas, oranges and so on), we've got nowhere near enough farmland to feed the entire population, things like electronics need minerals in the microchips - minerals which are not present in the British Isles. We aren't sitting on loads and loads of oil so we can't produce our own petrol or diesel for running vehicles. Globalisation is a fact. It isn't new and it isn't going away. The trick is to make it work for everybody's benefit, not just a few rich corporations. The BNP and UKIP have no answer to that. They just want to pretend that the problem does not exist and that Britain can have a successful economy entirely unlinked to that of the rest of the world. Get real.
When I emigrated to Australia many years ago you had to have a job and a place to stay, or your fare home. Why can't we do the same? You were not entitled to any benefitrs for two years, now that would get rid of a lot of unwanted people.
Quango's will be the same. After they've all been closed down we will finish up with more than before the bonfire was first lit. ~~~ Any bets?
It makes me wonderÂ… Was that the general mood of Australian aborigines, New Zealand or American natives, when manly British were taking over THEIR countries/land and making them a minority on their own continents, pushing then on the outskirts of their own land? Or occupying any major trade gateway on this planet like Suez Canal, Gibraltar, and Malacca? What about all this small islands that was colonized by this Great Country, what about their native inhabitants? So well donÂ’t moan now, itÂ’s time to taste your own medicine.
LET IT HAPPEN - Then when the foreigeners are the majority, they won't put up with our government, they will kick them out - We english won't do that, don't have the bottle or backbone(Won't stick together you see)
We have had NOTHING but Lies, deceit, and dishonesty from our so called 'leaders' over the last thirty years! Lining their own pockets at the expense of the British public. NEXT ELECTION WE HAVE TO VOTE BNP or UKIP.
I wonder what the old soldiers who died for our country would think. Lord FC, weren't they fighting a country run by just the type of government you are proposing?
There is not a single sole in this country with the GUMPTION to sort it out. The do good brigade will not rest until the English nation has gone, and it won't be all that long. You will never stop it ,we are fools really Walking into an ibbiss
Interesting headline, DM. Except it's not true is it? Net migration (i.e. the number arriving minus the number leaving) may be up by over 20%, but immigration, which is JUST the number arriving, is up by about 1.5%, in other words, rather a lot less. You can see it in the 'Immigration' line of the graph You even put it in the story: 'Long-term immigration was 575,000, similar to the levels seen since 2004, while long-term emigration fell to 336,000 from 427,000 in 2008, estimates from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed.' Did you think we wouldn't read that far?
We have simply changed one load of bungling half wits for another.
The time has now arrived when we must make the decision on who crosses our borders. The EU diktak that says anybody in the EU can come here whatever is biased against us. Its a ticket, a one way one, for economic migrants that is profitable as the wages in the UK are higher than in most of the EU countries from which these migrants originate. For a UK citizen it is the opposite. On top of this crazy system most of the migrants from the "new" EU countries send their money home to relatives therefore even their earnings are not spent here, a double whammy. We must get out of the EU and take back control of our country. Taking the effect on our infrastructure, housing and benefits etc the action is deemed URGENT.
Imagine 20% per annum for the next 20 years. We'll be pushed off the cliffs off Dover.
- Gary, Marbella, 25/8/2011 15:51 I don't agree with you 100% I think Cameron talks tough but does not deliver, the rest I agree especially your last sentence "God help the UK".
Theres still a chance if the gates were slammed shut now, and all border controls put on alert. We have to take stock of what we have and slowly rebuild our country, immediately getting rid of any unwanted assylum seeker or criminals. But this can't happen as long as Cameron and his bosses the CBI and the money men are in charge. Cheap labour, overpopulation and popverty is much to their advantage.
This has always been the problem with British people, moan about immigration, but no action. A Countrys denizens absolutely deserve the government they have. After all they put them there. It said it all during the AV referendum aswell. If the British truly want to stop immigration then vote@UKiP. I For one am tired of the grip and will move abroad else where in due time, i've written the UK off as a lost cause. As for the Polish people migrating here, didn't they help us fight the Luftwaffer in our RAF during world war two, i think that deserves some recognition.
There are more than a billion Chinese in China and a billion Indians in India...surely it's just a matter of time before we all become one global village under Chinese and Indians.
The figures show that most of the migration is from eastern europe and It's impossible to kick them out. Well you guys have built a better socialist state than USSR now sit back and enjoy the ride.
Its the old story with politicians of tell you anything to get voted in and then competely ignore the voters wishes until the next round of lies an promises.
I think the brains of the O.N.S. HAVE GOT THEIR NUMBERS WRONG BY ABOUT ONE MILLION.
These figures relate to LAST year. Who was in power for the first half of the year? Who had been in power for 13 years with its 'open door' immigration policy? Anyone who expects any government to reverse the unrestricted flow of immigrants for over a decade in six months is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Matt from Worcester. Your comments are absolutely valid and I couldn't agree with you more. We can change the scenario you spelled out for us. We mustn't vote for the CON/LIB/LAB parties any more. We must vote for a party that puts Britain First. We can rekindle the industries that were ruthlessly taken away. We were self sufficient once and we can be again. No to foreign imports and buy British. A Nationalist party, maybe. I'm sure we're all agreed that the raving insanity that is the policy of this and previous governments must be stopped and now. I would never have the audacity to tell anyone which way to vote but the alternative to a government that puts Britain First is more of the same we've been putting up with for over 60 years. I wonder what the old soldiers who died for our country would think. I'm pretty certain they wouldn't like what they would see. So please people just don't talk about it speak with your votes at the next general election.
Matt from Worcester. Your comments are absolutely valid and I couldn't agree with you more. We can change the scenario you spelled out for us. We mustn't vote for the CON/LIB/LAB parties any more. We must vote for a party that puts Britain First. We can rekindle the industries that were ruthlessly taken away. We were self sufficient once and we can be again. No to foreign imports and buy British. A Nationalist party, maybe. I'm sure we're all agreed that the raving insanity that is the policy of this and previous governments must be stopped and now. I would never have the audacity to tell anyone which way to vote but the alternative to a government that puts Britain First is more of the same we've been putting up with for over 60 years. I wonder what the old soldiers who died for our country would think. I'm pretty certain they wouldn't like what they would see. So please people just don't talk about it speak with your votes at the next general election.
re: AK, UK, 25/8/2011 14:56; I will not disagree, you are right. I didn't intend to insult British people as whole (I have many very decent english friends) if I did, sorry. This subject is so vast we could argue all day. I can only speak from my experience not what DMail statistics say. I noticed that individuals who blame Polish for everything don't even know where Poland is! They don't know my grandparents fought arm in arm with your grandparents during battle of England, they don't know we were always told at school great country England is. They just repeat what DailyMail's poor writers sweat on paper. This annoys me. I respect and always did what England offered me (and still is) and I feel I partly belong here now, and I wish this was respected by others
@Kris from Leicester I have an education and I am unemployed, I am not covered in tattoos, I have all my own teeth, I have no kids, I am not lazy and I am not fat. If youÂ’re in this country and work that is fine. HoweverÂ… The issue with mass immigration
Cameron. You are useless, self-seeking and all mouth and trousers. I admit to being a trifle disappointed in you.
Vote UKIP in the next election. - jessicaj, Swansea, 25/8/2011 15,,,,,,,,,,, Yes and when/if they got in they would forget, like they all do, all their promises as soon as the chauffeur driven cars, the ministerial salaries, the whispers in the ear "you scratch my back old boy", the unwritten promises of riches once they are booted out if the keep the "status quo" start, you have to be naive if you think electing the university mafia albeit under a different mask will ever change anything in this country, these people have never worked, never gone without, they have a sense of entitlement you and I don't understand, things that make your life miserable never touch them, a plague on politicians, if anything can be blamed for turning this country into a third world corrupt nation it can be placed at the scum elected to parliament over the last fifty years feet.
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- -------I want to buy my coffee from Brazil, not move there or bring Brazil over to here. Likewise with Germany, Russia, Italy, Turkey, France, Pakistan, Chinese, American, I don't mind buying or eating their products and helping to pay their workers but I don't want to turn Britain into mini versions of these countries. Or if you insist, at least give us the chance to vote for or against!
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 Red-arrow? He's got a point!- Matt, Worcestershire, 25/8/2011 15:32..........The exact same post is on you-tube vids because the fact you can trade without being overrun by immigration is beyond the simple mind of the liberal.
Folks, we hate to remind You but You voted for Cameron, Clegg and their hooray Henry mates so You must take responsibility...(!) - alan, beverley, east yorks, 25/8/2011 15:29 Alan you are wrong. Most people who vote Tory got lumbered with the Liberal and the farce we are seeing now. Labour destroyed the UK and people needed a strong Tory leader if they had one the Conservatives would have had a landslide. It was indecision that gave the UK a Con-Lib useless Government. Labour should have been kicked into the darkages but becuse this current spinless Goverment is weak on Terrorism, Immigration , Crime and benifits Labour may get in at the next election and then God help the UK!!!
I came to the UK from Oz (ancestry) 11 years ago. Within a week I had a full time job (no uni qualifications behind me), paid my taxes/NI. I had no recourse to public funds for 4 years, no family/had to prove I had sufficient funds to support myself-if I lost my job, I had to find another. I accepted that. After my 4 years I applied to stay longer & was told that there was a typo error with my original visa & my date of birth on the system didn't match my passport. I was detained and made to pay (£600+) for them to fix their admitted error (after coming/going through UKBA approx 6 times per year). I've always paid my fair share, supported my community by volunteering 3 nights a week etc. Immigration needs capping in this climate, resources need protecting for those who have helped contribute towards it. But please don't taint all us immigrants with the same brush. I'm "non-skilled" but have contribued more than my share and there are many others like me.
Even the Tunisians found the courage to rise up.
Well this has come as no surprise to us we have them flocking in with no money ,health problems, criminal records, nowhere to live but they are aware that the begging bowl can be put out and be filled, all the talk of cutting off imigrants was all used to obtain more votes well guys now we know where our cross goes next time don't we. We are all aware that the Labour Party left us in a lot of debt but cutting our police force to pay for more immigrants to arrive here and feed off of our NHS etc. is ridiculous, our doctors surgeries are bulging at the seams and more and more foreigners are filling up our prisons and then not being deported because of their Human Rights.
Kris Leicester.......Dont tar us all with the same brush, the majority of Brits work dam hard. and you lot come over here and take our jobs because you will work for less money. The Brits cant as they have a mortgage to pay and children to feed. Unlike you people if you have children and leave them in Poland we pick up the bill for that to. I really do take exception to the way you perceive the ENGLISH People are like. All Countries have there scroungers and lazy people.
UKIP is the answer to immigration. they are worth a vote to get some of them in parliament to even out the do gooders and the pc brigade
As millions continue to pour in Cameron focuses on...Libya and 'development' . And now that libyans know that they can leave guess where they'll be heading? - mark, hereford, 25/8/2011 11:34.......... Sure do. To the multi-cultural,socialist dumping ground of Europe created by the useless, reckless, desperate moron and now maintained by the ineffectual out-of-touch toff.
The working/middle class will have to carry the can on this one. Those on the 'upper decks' of society are too busy cashing their dividend cheques to give a damn. Am I the only on who knows this?
The Conservatives, as the major player in the Coaltion, have failed in curtailing this problem. Having been in power for over a year they can no longer legitimately blame Labour. It's all talk and no action. The UK is over populated and we do not have the resources for the current population and predicted growth. Being told most job vacancies were going to foreign workers should have made any Govt who cares about their country to act quickly to curb the problem, instead we had the usual spin. Career politicians are destroying our once great nation.
Did everybody know that when the Poles work here and they have there children in Poland we keep them as well
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together! - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 Red-arrow? He's got a point!
Folks, we hate to remind You but You voted for Cameron, Clegg and their hooray Henry mates so You must take responsibility...(!)
The Poles work harder, for longer and for less than Brits. They cause no social problems, and cost the country nothing in terms of benefits. Their success is a testament to their industriousness. If all Brits had their work ethic, we'd be much the better for it. - Bippy, London, 25/8/2011 13:45.............What stereotypical rubbish! No social problems? What about the illegal distillery that recently blew up in Boston killing several Eastern Europeans? What about the massive increase in drink driving cases in Eastern England? What about overcrowded schools and hospitals? As for their "industriousness", I think you will find most Brits will be industrious if they could move to another EU country and earn 3 times what they do here like Eastern Europeans can. Unfortunately, no such country exists. The only effects immigration has had, has been to reduce wages here and push up property prices. Engage brain next time before bashing keyboard and producing nonsensical drivel!
We will not be able to prevent this or the increasing numbers entering the UK until we leave the EU. This country is too small to support the continuing incoming tide of parasites and wastrels. Denounce all EU laws including the human rights and let us have the rights of true Britons put back on the agenda. Nice dream, but ain't gonna happen not with a Prime Minister that has gone on record as saying that "Not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around." No Mr Cameron, I want to remain a true British citizen and not some homogeneous mixture of indifferent and alien, to me, cultures.
All these poor come to this country looking to make great fortunes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mmmmmmmmmmmm , they no they will be housed fed and accomodated in all aspects of there lives and religeons . my self on the other hand are having to go to a tribuneral to be awarded ESA , it was withdrawn a month ago on the basis they say im fit for work . having been medically finished by my employer and my consultant and gp have me refrain from work ! waiting on FULL KNEE REPLACEMENT AND ON THE OTHER LEG A ACHILLIES OP. i have worked all my life with a job i loved , but over the last few years i have had to take pain killers to get me through the day . with the side effect being now i have ucelrated stomach . it has been made clear to me that i can pay in to the system but i cannot withdraw from the system because they class me as not being vuneralble. i speak english i paid tax and NI surely i would be entitled but no ! this country shold look to the people that have paid in to the system .
Vote UKIP in the next election.
I don't even have the energy to type another angry comment about immigration, the subject makes me so frustrated with Cameron. How can one be so blind and ignorant to the issue which is destroying our once great nation? We don't want a multi-cultural society!
The opening sentence of this article is simply factually incorrect. The number of people migrating to the UK has stayed more or less the same - it is the fall in people *emigrating* which has produced a 20% increase in NET migration (i.e. the number of immigrants minus the number of emigrants). This is why setting a target for net migration is a stupid idea - it means that it becomes politically desirable to encourage people to leave the country. A much more sensible policy, if the government is looking to reduce migration, is to focus on inflows only - then your figures do not get distorted by emigration numbers.
1 in 4 of the next generation are not English, and it will only snowball after that. If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.
England is fast becoming a hell hole. Overcrowded, dirty, noisy, too many foreigners. And what do our glorious leaders do? Allow even more people in. I really cannot understand why our govt cannot see what is blindingly obvious to the rest of us ... that this country is already at breaking point and cannot sustain this number of people. It's only going to get worse. I would advise anyone who has skills or a profession to get out of this country if possible. I'd go if I could ...
Only a turkey could be surprised at this, probably the same ones who voted for the ‘Despite Pledges Party’. - Agent Smith, S.Yorks, 25/8/2011 14:11 Don't get me started on Turkey! Can you imagine when they are admitted to the EU?
A drop in the number of people leaving the UK was probably because they were having difficulty in selling their houses to finance a move to another country. Unlike the UK, other countries expect new arrivals to fend for themselves. Our emigration to Canada was delayed by more than a year as that is how long it took to sell our house. I believe there are thousands of families trapped in the UK for the same reason. Eventually they will go and the net immigration figures will look wondrously healthy again. If this is all that concerns the government, when productive, working people are being lost to other countries and replaced with the non-productive and un-integrated, then shame on them.
Immigrants get a hard time for nothing. People discriminate against immigrants when it is actually the government, businesses and British people that keep driving up the demand for immigration. The British don't want to support the British. There are hard-working Brits who are given a bad name by the many lazy and useless Brits who are pathetic employees, or better yet benefit scroungers, and believe society owes them everything. I bet a good portion of the people complaining about immigrants are the same people who take sickies when they're not sick, who deliver terrible work and still expect the best prospects, who can't be bothered to attend parent-teacher days at their kids' school and when they do, attack any teacher that offers constructive criticism for their child. Stop whining and take some responsibility.
This is all the fault of the EU who dictate who we let in and dont let in, its a joke..
The headline screams - Immigration soared by 20%. 'Soared'. That means surely, that the number of people migrating to the UK rode by 20% in one year. Well no, it doesn't. Read on to the detail and it turns out that there was an increase of 18,000 people migrating to the UK. An increase of 4.1%. Far too many obviously. But nothing like the misleading headline which implies that the number of people migrating to the UK went up by nearly 85,000. NET migration went up by 20%. But only because far fewer people chose to leave the UK in the last year. There is a serious debate about immigration, emigration, tax rates, the employability of UK citizens and the rights and wrongs of allowing UK firms to choose who they employ if they are based on UK soil. But misleading headlines that distort the truth do not help that debate at all.
I wonder how many people who gave me red arrows for marrying an Asian person volunteer for several charities, take a lowly supermarket job and go to college to better themselves? Because that's what my good lady does. She's probably making a bigger contribution to this country than a lot of people here.
So this explains why the population of Poland is dropping. There all moving over here!
"The number of people migrating to the UK soared by more than 20 per cent last year, according to official figures released today.The rise from 198,000 in 2009 to 239,000 last year flies in the face of the Government's pledge to bring net migration down to just tens of thousands by 2015." What, another broken Cameron promise? Well I never. Come on you bunch of no-hopers get a grip of this ludicrous situation, England is the most densely populated nation in Europe and it is time you dealt with this vexed question of unfettered immigration ASAP.
@Kris, Leicester Poles don't use the NHS? My surgery is full of them, so are maternity units. Don't they send their children to state schools? Of course they do. Do some clear off back to Poland for three months a year to avoid paying tax? Yes they do. Do
About a year and a half ago i walked down a couple of streets to the local Supermarket and i passed four or five different batches of people (they didn't form a loose group either) and each were speaking in a language that wasn't English and i had to do a double take as i suffered a weird sort of culture shock wondering if the natives had been swapped with foreigners overnight, it was a most strange experience. (let's see if this post makes it up as my last 4 got bounced)
- kris, leicester, 25/8/2011 14:16 Thank you Kris for insulting the British people who have made you a guest in their country. Now, why don't you go back to Poland? You don't see over half-a-million Brits living in Poland do you? We have finite resources 
He really is Clueless Clegg wanting to give the Illegals amnesty. What kind of message is being sent to the rest of them out there, Britain is a pushover.This is tantamount to treason. Call a referendum Cameron and let the people have their say on the policies that really matter.
Hi,I am Polish, have been working and living in UK for 5years now. I have never had a problem to find a job, flat to live, money to borrow or spend. It makes me sick when uneducated, lazy, toothless and covered in tattoos unemployed British (supposedly Great) mothers/fathers of five complain about polish immigration. Kris -------------------- Well said, Kris. Most people would probably agree with you on this one. Chances are you'd only get red arrowed by uneducated, lazy, toothless and covered in tattoos unemployed British (supposedly Great) mothers/fathers of five, so good luck to you.
Some comments on here are saying the Poles work and don't claim benefits. The problem is they're taking British Jobs from British Workers and are making them claim benefits. Some Brits are lazy and don't want to work so stop their benefits if they refuse to participate in counselling and training workshops. I don't discriminate when I say start repatriation. I would send the lot of them packing regardless of creed, colour or religion. The nationalist groups do need to settle their differences and have a united front. The EDL however isn't a registered political party and therefore cannot contest parish, local or general elections. Please people check the policies of every Nationalist party before you cast your vote. To stop our country going over the precipice and being destroyed we must put Britain First.
Of course so many of these people come to England to study.... to study how to get free housing, free benefits, bring extended families here, free health care, payments for children left behind in their home countries etc. As Tony Blair championed it - education, education, education..... so he had one "success" from his time in office.
it will soon level out as brits realise that this dumping ground is not worth living in and leave in a mass exodus to where i dont know but it has got to be better than what the future holds here
Bet you wish you'd voted BNP now. Surely you people out there must realise that the Lib/Lab/Con are not going to do anything about immigration.
It is impossible to bring immigration under control without leaving the European Union. The whole of Europe has the right to come and live and work in Britain should they wish to do so, and the Poles are living proof of this. You can say goodbye to employment for as long as we remain subjects of the dictators in Brussels.
One definition of the word Treason is = a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state. Blair,Brown,Clegg, Cameron and all MPs should be put on trail for treason and there is actually evidence that labour had an open door immigration policy that was nothing to do with filling jobs, it was to do with electoral votes, if that is not a reason for a court case then I do not know what does, none of these politicians have ever been given permission by the voters of this nation for mass immigration and if governments believe the myth that they contribute more than they take, then I lay a challenge at there feet, before the next general election state in there manifesto that there are for an open door immigration policy and lets see how many votes they get, not many me thinks ( only from the people they let enter ).
Quote :- `Theresa May is disappointed`, so are the citizens of this country. Her and Damian Green are `working on ways to drive down immigration`. Neither can face the truth that the numbers flocking in are, and always have been,out of control. The Border Control Agency is a joke, allowing asylum seekers to cross many borders on their way here, instead of sending them back to their nearest border crossing point. The country is in a mess, while our millionaire coalition cabinet sit back and let it happen. I am surprised that the emigration figures from the UK are not much higher than at present. Fleeced of their savings, they probably have insufficient resources to make the move. Until we as a country, manoeuvre ourselves out of this casino, that is the EU, then this haven for immigrants/asylum seekers, will continue to attract. Tom.
To jb: "one fowl swoop"? Cluck, cluck and cock a doodle doo ! Hilarious. I love the way you have reduced your own language to a pile of rubbish.
We've been lied to.... AGAIN! Teresa May is "disappointed"... I am "LIVID!!!
Out of the EU and an end to all benefits for immigrants,this will cut the number immediately.Also ensure that all immigrants allowed into this country abide by our laws and do not seek to establish communities making their own laws.
stop voting for the main three take a chance it has to be better than what we keep getting..
Britain is the cesspit of Europe.
Well I guess the only option that is left to this government to meet its pledge is to encourage more Britons to move abroad? One other thing: how come it's only the UK (well, together with Ireland) that is "not able" to control the influx from the new EU countries, while ALL the continental EU managed to do so by imposing severe immigration restrictions towards the new member states???
20%...!!!! Well done Camoron, another broken promise. We haven't enough money, jobs, houses etc for our OWN people but yet you continue to import more immigrants every day to leech off our services and tax payers. Thanks for nothing you liar! - max, london, 25/8/2011 11:15 The figures relate to the year 2010. Nu Liebour were in power for half that year with their 'come on in, everyone is welcome' policy.
untill the people demand we get out of europe immigrants will continue to come here and we are tied to europe and have no say
When the average person realizes that this is (as is everything) due soley to money they will accept that there is - under this current Financial model called Capitalism - no other way than to continually increase consumerism. Government and Businesses can only stay afloat if Capitalism and Population growth continues. Unfortunately it is a zero end game - as our resources and social programs are exhausted and cannot cope. Also highly controlled immigration welcomes peoples with good health, no criminal backgrounds, strong work ethic and geared towards specific employment needs. Sadly, there are so many businessmen and politicians on short term (make my money/name and run) contracts that they don't care if a few million others also blight the country - unemployable, refusing to speak the language, having dozens of children, and claiming benefits from the day they arrive. Face it folks this economic model is on the downward curve - enjoy life - you can't stop this - its too late.
Just what the toffs want. Who in their right mind is going to complain about Lord Have-It-All with his 12 000 acres when there is Mr Foreigner and his wife in a council house next door that one of your kids could of had. On top of that master stroke, the toffs also get to pay lower wages. BNP, EDL and UKIP - toff front organisations just like the National Socialists were in Germany.
well that really is the icing on the wake, I don't even want to know how many jobs they are taking or are going to be from studying here aswell. Its not just labouring for minimum wage, but becoming doctors, surgeons and scientists etc taking all these opportunities from actual British Citizens and putting more and more people onto jobs seekers. The vast majority of money they earn ends up going back home and not even put back into our own economy.
I can't make head nor tail of the figures. Two thirds of A8 immigrants are Poles. There are over 500k of them. Therefore that must equate to two thirds of the total of the A8 immigrants meaning the non Polish component must be one third or....250k. Not, as stated just 39k. In any case, even if they are reducing their numbers left right and centre by themselves, I cannot believe there are only 500k Poles in the UK. Try 1 million and you would be closer to it. That means there must be about 1.5 million A8 immigrants in the UK.
Just about every business owner in the country (and there are approximately 2 million of them) will tell you how hard it is to find decent UK staff. - Don Diego, London, 25/8/2011 12:24 I used to tell my children if they swallowed bubblegum it would stick to their insides. Didn't make it true.
@ - D.Bates, North East England, 25/8/2011 13:06 Couldn't agree with you more! The individual votes for these parties will be diluted and allow the mainstream to win yet again. If they actually formed a 'core' approach and agreed to work together it may b
As millions continue to pour in Cameron focuses on...Libya and 'development' . And now that libyans know that they can leave guess where they'll be heading? - mark, hereford, 25/8/2011 11:34.......... Sure do. To the multi-cultural,socialist dumping ground of Europe created by the useless, reckless, desperate moron and now maintained by the ineffectual out-of-touch toff.
this government is incapable of doing anything, except fleece the taxpayer, even me mr average, can stop immigration in one fowl swoop, stop benefits to those that have not paid in, it dosnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out
The rise from 198,000 in 2009 to 239,000 last year flies in the face of the Government's pledge to bring net migration down to just tens of thousands by 2015............Both immigration & the birth rate are too high, probably because people are too spoilt & we are too soft on them by giving them too many benefits together with human rights. All we hear in parliament are screams & promises, but in reality none of them have been fulfilled. We have to wait until 2015 for this to be reduced as it part of a general election campaign.
hi,I am Polish, have been working and living in UK for 5years now. I have never had a problem to find a job, flat to live, money to borrow or spend. It makes me sick when uneducated, lazy, toothless and cover in tattoos unemployed British (supposedly Great) mothers/fathers of five complain about polish immigration. I agree to some extend that immigration needs to be controlled and UK should not let in absolutely everyone who wants but opinions that 'we' are causing financial meltdown and snow fall in the winter are absurd. Sorry but anyone who proclaims those views is simply stupid and have no knowledge how economy works. out of all of my friends living in UK, absolutely everyone works full time, legally, and because we are relatively young (most immigrants from eastern Europe are age 18-40) we don't use NHS and other public services. Conclusion is that I have been honestly paying my taxes so you can get your benefit.
The average international student pays anywhere from 10k a year to 15k a year to study in our colleges. It's probably a good thing they're here because lord knows we have no money, Cameron keeps printing it, and inflation is the pudding that contains the proof.
if mindless thugs can organise a riot why can't we organised a mass protest against the government ? we want a general election - now
It was the Tories who negotiated Maastricht and left us with unrestricted immigration and as Cameron said, on more that one occasion, immigration is good for this country – in fact it’s so good his crony Clegg wants to give illegal immigrants an amnesty. Only a turkey could be surprised at this, probably the same ones who voted for the ‘Despite Pledges Party’.
:Cameron has proven to be all talk and no action time after time
Which goes to show, if proof were needed that : 1. It's all Tony Blairs Fault. 2. It's all Gordon Browns fault. 3. It's all Ed Millibands fault. 4. It's all David Camerons Fault. 5. Because they're all Communists. 6. And Marxists. 7. The UKIP are the only answer. 8. Unless it's the BNP. They're the answer too. 9 We must leave the EU immediately despite the fact it would completely atomise our economy and social structure to do so. 10.The Only way Is Essex is brain rotting, fame hungry drivel that should be ignored by everyone. 11. Only one of the above statements is true. 12. The other ten will be repeated in some form or other throughout every comments column on this site from now until eternity. 13. They will still be hate filled, ignorant, scaremongering bilge.
Anyone surprised. They'll not be happy until we sink.
You need to keep your imigration numbers up continue with you 90% foreign employment record. After all, how would Poland manage without you?
You need to keep your imigration numbers up continue with you 90% foreign employment record. After all, how would Poland manage without you?
This is the biggest concern of the British people "Sort it now". You keep telling us the Country is broke yet we continue to let 100,000's of people enter the Country taking whatever we have left.
Promises, promises, promises - stopping immigration in vast majorities was one of the reasons I voted for this Government - as always promises get broken. What is wrong with each successive governments that they can't ever seem to keep promises. Immigration is in such huge quantities now that there is little room for those that were born here. We should have a revolving door system whereby, if you haven't got a home, job and ability to waiting for you then you should be deported back to your country of birth. We should look more at the Australian system whereby you don't get in the country unless you adhere to their requirements. Shame on you Cameron!!!
On holiday in Spain spoke to Irish and dutch girl both said they have to have enough money to support themselves for 6 months ,thereafter full time education or job,before they can get health care etc from Spain
Any immigrant from outside the eu, unfortunately we are locked into that for the moment, MUST have a job. The employer must guarantee to cover all medical costs for the person and family if they have brought them. They should only be able to bring immediate family, A WIFE and children. Once they no longer have a job OUT. The right to British citizenship MUST be strictly controlled and only given to people who can contribute to the countries well prosperity. Asylum seekers should be housed in redundant passenger ships off shore, no shore leave, no booze, no cigarettes, no money, food provided. If their case is found legal then they would be allowed ashore. If they destroyed their documentation then that is where they would stay of course to satisfy the demand for human rights they would be given an option to return to whence they came.
Totally dispiriting and heartbreaking - Nothing else can some it up!
Need to get out of the EU and fast. I emigrated overseas and it took 1 year, masses of paper work, medical test and I had to prove I could provide for myself. All for immigration, but it has to be controlled and measured like it is in the US, Australia and Canada. Yes loads of Brits move to Spain, but not many British people would move to Poland, Estonia, etc as no work.
Frankly, I'd rather live with immigrants, than some of the narrow minded, pig ignorant, racist Brits that are found on these threads.
"Home Secretary Theresa May will be disappointed" I'am not exactly thrilled and what will big Dave think?
I have no problem with people coming here to do jobs which our own people are either too lazy or incompetent or badly educated to do. What I do have a problem with is the people who come to live off our benefit system and free NHS, criminals who cannot then be deported etc etc. The problem as I see it is not the EU. Other countries in the EU take a far more robust line, despite belonging to the European Convention on Human Rights. The problem is that our liberal, detached and conceited Judiciary seems to take a perverse pleasure in defying the wishes of the people, though their democratically elected Government, and twisting the meaning of Human Rights until the Act becomes a criminals' and benefit scroungers' Charter. Basically this means that we are being subject to a sort of international breaking and entering.
They have no intention of regaining control of our borders or clamping down on immigration despite anything the lying politicians tell us. Instead its far more likely that we are going to see EU police on our streets and this is what they have in store for us. The second world war was nothing to do with fighting for freedom and democracy we have neither, wars are instigated to cull populations and to make money for the evil that runs this planet. People are waking up in greater numbers and that fills me with hope that eventually good will win through.
I don't get it, I read in a daily basis that more and more migrants are moving to the UK, I'm married to a Brit that pay taxes, is not in benefit and had a stable work and his own flat. I'm a professional, with reputable curriculum and yet my VISA got denied and I had to spent 7 long months apart from my husband till he moved into my country. UK migration laws are a joke, yet they keep granting visas to unprofessional, illegal and people who take advantage of their benefits and us, who are hard workers get the boot. What's that about????
There are 2 types of immigration EU, and no-EU. The governments pledge can only cover non-EU because anyone with an EU passport can freely come to the UK. This article is covering both types, what are the stats for non-EU immigrations?
The Poles work harder, for longer and for less than Brits. They cause no social problems, and cost the country nothing in terms of benefits. Their success is a testament to their industriousness. If all Brits had their work ethic, we'd be much the better for it.
This so called government is following the same agenda as the last one,playing the public for fools , on that subject ,the bbc footage from Green Square in Tripoli was actually a film set in India ,total disgrace ,we are paying to be lied too.
20%? thought it would be higher, not that I am complaining, especially the Polish (Girls are gorgeous, Boys work hard)
Most immigration is EU immigration and of course once they arrive in Britain they have at least one child born here and therefore have a legitimate claim for British citizenship and removing any powers of deportation... We need a long hard think about British Citizenship...
In E.U. countries such as Belgium and Holland,they are banning E.U. immigrants from their towns if they are unemployed as these people are a drain on resources.When will this most bovine of governments realise that we are now faced with benefits migrants being granted housing, cars, and even the same pensions as the people,us, who have paid into the system for more than forty-five years ?I fear that we now have the most incompetent government in anyone's memory.These so called leaders will not even tell the public how much this deluge we are suffering is costing the taxpayers of this country.The Daily Mail has more clout than any of us, so why doesn't this newspaper demand answers from the government?WELL, D. M ?P.s. try getting Ian Duncan Smith to reply, he is too frightened to.
I have been engaged to an American for over a year, and she moved to this county last month using a fiancée visa. The cost of the visa application for her and her two children was about £2500. We married last week. She has no access to public funds. She has limited access to NHS facilities. She won't be able to claim anything for at least two years. She also wont be able to work for at least 6 months. She is also included in the immigration figures. Articles like this generate lots of passion, but the comments are often ignorant of the facts.
Did any of you actually read the article properly? The figures they are talking about are from LAST YEAR, the coalition had only just come to power then and, if you read further down towards the end of the article, "figures for the first half of this year show an 8% drop in the number of settlements, with falls in both the work and family categories"! Hopefully they will continue to fall over the rest of this year but there are issues with EU citizens who come here in that they have a right to come here to look for work, the specific conditions for that do seem to vary from country to country but, whether you like the EU or not (I don't), free movement of labour is a major part of what the EU is about and we cannot stop them coming here in the first instance. Poles are EU citizens, this is more DM hysteria on the subject of immigration! If it turns out that the figures for the whole of this year are bad THEN you have something to complain about but that isn't the case as yet.
The trouble is this goverment are all talk and no action. no ones got the guts to put a stop to it.
Are we at all surprised by the total failure of this incompetent government to achieve anything it puts it's hands to. You could put the Chuckle Brothers in charge and they'd do a better job. - Rob, Wales, 25/8/2011 12:03 ________________________________________ Actually, I thought that's what we'd already GOT.........
Government policy on immigation: 1. Allow any one in 2. Throw no -one out 3. Promise to do something about it 4. Do nothing about it 5. Blame previous administration. 6. Drinks all round for the boys!
there has been so much hot air spoken about this its a wonder we have not had a heat wave.
England has become a cesspit and the lib/lab/con artists are doing nothing except line thier pockets
For goodness sake, why doesn't someone in this government find the backbone to say, "enough is enough, we cannot absorb this number of people" and STOP ALL IMMIGRATION into this country until ALL illegal immigrants have been removed from this country, then implement and proper and limited immigration policy, not like the unlimited policy we had under the Labour government. Tony B'liar, and his fellow numpties in the excuse for a Labour government, did untold damage to this country by allowing, and encouraging, immigration in such numbers. Sod the 'uman Rights Act, the EU and the hand wringing Lib Dems Mr Cameron, get a grip!! This is OUR country, not the EU's country. Let US control our own borders and who comes through them. Before any hand wringing bleeding heart starts bleating about racism, it is nothing of the sort, it is all about numbers.
The real numbers are much higher as these figures do not take into account the back door policy that allows people to come here in large numbers on so called company transfers. If any of you thought the Tories would be any different from Labour then you should be sectioned.
Immigration is a wonderful thing, and needs to be embraced and welcomed. What is more beautiful than a rich and diverse society constructed of every culture, religion and creed? The last government had it spot on with opening the doors and in my opinion should open them further.
As usual it goes to show that Cameron does not have clue about what he says. He is full of bovine scatterings. Unless we leave the EU immigration figures like this will continue. Cameron got in to power by deceiving the British public, it is about time he listened to the British public and went, he is a waste of time.
Why are people assuming that the term "Immigration" only refers to African/Asian people coming into the UK as Asylum seekers/refugees? The majority of immigration in the UK is from Europe (mostly East European) you cant CUT down immigration unless UK gets out of the EU. Immigrants outside make a very small minority of immigrants into the UK but i agree, i think Asylum seekers/refugees should be rejected
Britain can't get out of the EU it's to late , It is common knowledge in places like Turky or Africa if you want to come to Europe especially the UK >get a job as a waiter in a holiday resort where you get to meet many Divorced , Widowed or single women on holiday all you have to do is flatter them to marry them and a Visa is assured. The Government promised us they will stop Immigration from outside the EU , Asylum seekers who arrive on our shores should be deported either back to their own countries or back to the first country they arrived in. The Riot's have changed everything and made people very fearful for the future this small country is far to overcrowded as it is we have to import most things that we use daily , our young are dying and injured in foreign countries while those who are housed Free, Fed ,given free education, free medical care all paid for from our TAXES cause terrorism on our streets and think nothing of Burning Families out of their homes.
Your numbers are Arabic - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 19:10 Sorry mate - numbers, as we write it today, are NOT ARABIC - They originated in India. AND - the concept of zero, which led to an explosion in the study of maths in the West, also originated in India, as did negative numbers (e.g. -2). The west at that time got to know about the numbers, as it is written now, via Arabia and mistakenly called it Arabic. Time to change it and call it INDIAN!!!!! It was easier to use than Roman numerals. And tea is not English - they drank it in China long before the English heard of it!!!! Note : Most inventions and discoveries were made in India and China before the Industrial Revolution.
The govenment might loose some votes, so they will do as little as they can. The voting system is wrong, if this is what happens!!!
Not only are far fewer UK citizens moving abroad to live, but many more are now returning, with the weak pound making life too expensive for them and with cuts to pensions and increases in the cost of living. If the 'Get out of Europe' faction ever gets its way, the UK should prepare itself for at least ONE MILLION extremely disgruntled and largely impoverished elderly people returning to the UK as their right to live in other EU countries expires. Most of them will then expect to have full use of the NHS, will want access to benefits and cold weather payments etc. and eventually will need care homes and so on. The problems caused by a few hundred thousand active younger immigrants, most of whom work, will pale into insignificance. - We Subsidise YOU, France, 25/8/2011 12:33Unsure why so many of you red-arrowed this as it is so true.So many Brits who moved here to France have returned to the UK penniless and are on benefits. Out of the EU and hundreds of thousands more will return.
....as I say, not as I do. Did anyone really expect anything different. The Tories might have got in, but they haven't got control (and before anyone suggests otherwise, yeah, I voted for 'em)
Question. What is the direct correlation between immigrants to the UK and the amount of 18 to 24 year old British citizens out of work? Question. What proportion of these new immigrants are actually contributing to the British economy and are not here for some form of state support, to the determent of state support available to British citizens actively looking for work? Question. What proportion of these immigrants speak English and actively contribute to our communities and social structures, embrace British culture and enhance our cultural heritage? Given the total apathy of the majority of British voters its only a question of time now when the proportion of foreigners and prisoners, completely out vote any vestigial British National Interests and culture. It is only a question of time before we will be electing an Islamic prime minister!
simple answer no entry for anyone who does not have possession of a British passport in their own right, and ensure that all those present in the UK who are not entitled to be here are sent packing with haste.
The Government should take it's own advice urgently. Remember the drugs advertising in the 80's and 90's - Just Say NO! It's not rocket science, so even a government minister should be able to understand it.
Don't expect any of Camerons policies to do anything, except make Britain a worse place. There are currently no good main parties that can save Britain from the EU' s destruction of individual countries. They are all living in the pockets of the unelected fedal organisation in Brussels.
We desperately need a coalition of those political parties which fight to save our nation. It is time for UKIP, the EDL and the BNP to set aside their differences and mobilise to defend Britain. Ultimately these parties are Britain's ONLY hope of protecting what remains of our lands and way of life. The Tories, Liebour and Lib Dem's have betrayed the UK. What began as an act of goodwill in the 1950s has mutated into a grotesque relentless onslaught affecting everyone. The truth is that even in the 50's immigrants were actually given the jobs of our dead servicemen and women from World War 2. We had lost so many brave warriors in the war that staffing was desperately short by the mid 50s. Immigration is now recognised as having been a silent invasion that is rapidly growing out of control like a cancer. EVERYTHING will be destroyed eventually it's only a matter of time and the present political parties are simply 'managing' Britain's collapse into being overrun.
our goverment is a joke!
This is not really a great surprise. In the past MPs of all main parties have stated on forums such as Question Time "Immigrants do the jobs we dont want to do". That comment always makes me almost want to throw something at the TV. Its crass on so many levels. They are really not interested in reducing immigration.
how long r u going to blame labour. cameron has been in power long enough to have done somethingn about it and has done nothing. liblabcon - all the same traitors when it comes to immigration.
Well you did elect yet another cultural marxist to run this country.
Cameron's hands are tied by the EU. H E, London, 25/8/2011 12:44 hahah yeah right, so does that mean blair/brown`s hands were also tied?
The irony is that this situation makes me want to emmigrate. I love Europe and its people, but I absolutely hate the EU. Hate it with every fibre in my body.
It's late,It's late, It's late,it's all too late.
Democracy!! Will the wishes of the majority of the electorate who want immigration stopped ever be considered by the government? Only when the UK is ranked as a third world country,which won't be much longer.
How exactly are you going to drive down the number of foreign students, the overwhelming majority of immigrants? The Universities absolutely depend on them for income since they pay so much more than British students: take a stroll round Oxford this month, the place is like a foreign country - everywhere you go there are foreign students. Have a look at a place like the LSE, always rated in the Top 10 global universities - how do you think it would survive without the income its foreign students bring? If you attack immigration at this level, foreign students, then we, the tax payers, will be forced to pay even more for Higher Education.
I don't know why this is even being seen as a revelation. The bottom line fact is no government or party in the UK for the past 50 years has the wherewithall and the moral compass to tackle immigration.
Is this why so many working people in the country are forced to live in shared accommodation, paying over the odds just for a room. Maybe that 's why house prices and rental prices are so high - only the rich can afford to take up space. There clearly isn't enough room for everybody. I suppose the Government are pleased that most of us can't afford to live on our own - that would just take up too much space.
Generations to come will curse this Government for their 'anybody and everybody' immigration policy. They are a disgrace and traitors to the United Kingdom.
Surely it is absurd of the British Government to promise to control net immigration? They cannot control who leaves the country, which is a major factor in net immigration i.e. gross immigration less gross emigration. They might, at least in theory, be able to control gross immigration. A good way to start would simply be to enforce the law. After all,the enforcement of law is (apart from defence) the primary duty of any government. However, if the British Government is not prepared to do this, they must not be surprised when people who are already here start breaking the law.
Message to Damain Green, stop consulting and get on with it
The big point is that they talkabout balanced immigration - that is based on the assumption that people who leave the country will leave permanently - not true - many people leave to work and many decide to return after five, ten, twenty or even fifty years. The actual immigration figure is 575.000 at least. Smoke and mirrors to decieve. The reality is that virtually anyone in the EU can come to this country permanently if they so wish. Anyone outside the EU who manages to step foot in the UK is unlikely to have to leave unless they actually want to. The talk of bringing down immigration to the tens of thousands is folly - immigration is going UP in the future not down. Only radical change will stop immigration and who will bring in radical change - certainly not the House of Commons gang.
No idea if this gets published but its silly to generalise. Immigration from the EU is not true immigration. If you have family abroad, how is that immigration if you have gaines a British passport? Countless numbers of people gain a British passport, most from outside the EU and once they get it they will bring over their family. Yet the Tories and so-called supporters keep having goes at EU citizens. How many British people are in Spain or France? I don't see them complaining.
The best thing we can do for our country is to boycott establishments that employe these people. Also think about what you buy, remember cadburys, kraft and twinnings have all shed jobs in the UK, in favour of Poland, this affects all of us.
It's going to take some work to de-toxify the Tory party after Cameron - Nasty, Posh... and Incompetent!
Get out of E.U and stop immigration, these are the people dragging england into the financial abyss, they require support from day one.
I can't see immigation figures reducing. Not as long as there are such benefit rewards for simply being an immigrant. According to what we read, there are thousands waiting in places like Spain to cross over to the UK. Let's face it, they're hardly coming over because of the Witness Protection Programme.
- Gary, Leicester..Gary actually if you want to come to Cyprus for more than 3 months you must register with immigration and show you can support yourself and have private health insurance ..Or are in paid employment, otherwise the Cyprus Government depor
Cameron's hands are tied by the EU. Any reduction he tries to make in non-EU immigration is made up for by an increase in EU immigrants. The only sensible option is to take us out of the EU but the government refuses even to discuss this. In the meantime more British people go onto benefits and we face higher taxation to pay for them. It will only end when the country goes bankrupt.
2 points here; The first is 250,000 people passed the rules requiring good english, job skills and money to settle.......fair enough. The second is....we should balance out the legal immigrants by simply shipingout all illegals, regardless of "human rights", as surely, breaking our law shows you have given up your rights? - Roy, UK Southampton, 25/8/2011 12:19 There's a 3rd, more crucial point, we should evict all immigrants who come here to live solely on benefits and other government handouts because they can't/won't find a job here. All other countries do it, so why don't we? "Soft-touch Britian", that's what we became under Labour.
I love this article - the "immigrant numbers rise by 20%" headline just jumps out at you getting that blood boiling - but then buried somewhere in the middle of article you get a bit of a sense of perspective when your told that immigration numbers have remained fairly but emigration numbers fallen significantly resulting in NET migration increasing by 20%. gotta love the daily mail spin. i was getting a bit worried i hadnt read an immigrant bashing article for a while on DM
Given that our local services including schools and hospitals are at breaking point due to this ongoing immigration surge could we not say that OUR human rights are being overlooked by the government who are under a duty to protect us from outside threats to the well-being of our nation?
This government of treacherous scum has the same agenda as the last government of treacherous scum, the total annihilation of England as a nation state and complete subservience to the Fourth Reich.
"...............................Your tea is English................................." - RYAN LONSDALE, Oxford, UK, 25/8/2011 12:10 __________________________________________________ Just because it says "Yorkshire Tea" on the packet doesn't mean it's grown there..................... But Britons have always been TRADERS...........so your point is......?
Note the BBC website seems to be of the opinion that not enough people are emigrating. In their view that is the problem. They, like the 3 main parties, seem to have no issue with immigration provided its balanced by emigration (which is has failed to be). This is an outrageous view. Probably no other country in the world has a ruling class which considers dilution of a national identity irrelevant.
Let pensioners retain their pension credit,when they leave this country(,mainly due to health reasons,) and see how many will go, like a shot.
Any fool could have told her that concentrating on NET migration when you have no power to stop people emigrating is a really stupid idea. Fewer people leave and you miss your target - wow, what a shock.
When I was a young lad, serving in the British Royal Navy, when we had one, and an Empire, when we had one, I visited many countries round the world. Everywhere that the British had settled in any number, they brought work to the native population. Now, we allow immigrants, legal and illegal, to flood in and take jobs from the indigent population. Time immigration was stopped and deportation began. Britain is a soft touch, and we have a government which will fund anything - with money we have to borrow! How much have this lot given away or spent on things which have nothing to do with us? Firstly 1,600 MPs got a £1,000 p.a., increase in their already inflated salary, then they gave £650,000,000 to Pakistan, then they got involved in a civil war which has nothing to do with us - all when we are up to our necks in debt!
Since the UKBA are clearly incapable of stopping illegal immigration; it is hightime Damian Green disbanded this quango. There aren't enough viable job vacancies in the UK for the UK's indigenous population; let alone any so-called job seekers (cash benefit seekers) from foreign lands. Sucessive UK governments crave for greater harmonisation with Europe; but continue to refuse to sign the Schengen Agreement. The UKBA border control seems to be more interested in Britons returning to their home country; than in stopping illegal immigration.
'These figures lay bare the legacy of the Labour government....actually the people voted for this. So what is the problem?
Blair, Brown, Straw, Clegg, Cameron and May should be tried for treason against the Britidh people. Nothing but a bunch of untrustworthy liars who have thrown the indigenous UK population into poverty in order to prop up an overburdgeoning asylum/immigration system. It is costing this country an absolute fortune no wonder we're Bankrupt Britain but these arrogant excuses for MP's are OK since they're all wealthy beyong belief. They are WORSE than the scum that looted the shops recently - These MORONS have looted our country on a massive scale and destroyed our souls.Anyone who votes for the 3 main parties in future needs their head lexamined. I'll be voting UKIP . BRING ON THE NEXT ELECTION!!!
We need more british people to emigrate to bring down teh net migration number. The government are out of control on this and Migration watch blaming Labour is starting to wear a tad thin. We all know who's in charge
And these are only the ones we know about. And, it is still too many. But, whilst we are the softest touch in Europe for monies being paid out and all the other assistance given immigrants will continue to flock here. Pity the same help was given to our own that need it.
It's easy to bring it down, Teresa; just stop letting them in ! Never mind the bl**dy EU, we'd be better off out of it - just like we're not in the Euro.
We, the British voters are our own worst enemy... We keep voting for the same three major political parties and continue to complain when they keep churning out the same old policies. NOTHING will change unless we, the British voters, CHANGE who we vote for! It is as simple as that. We reap what we sow...
I was a life-long Labour supporter; I shouted with joy when Blair replaced the arrogant Tory thugs who'd been in power for 18 years. Now? I'd string him up, along with Hain, Straw, Har-person, Vaz, Cameron et al, for they are TRULY traitors. I've read the BNP 'mission statement' and find very little to disagree with. They get my vote next time.
Please stop complaining about this whilst you are still voting LibLabConUkip. It's what the politicians' puppetmasters want.
I love to read your rants about immigration. I've read some interesting stats on immigration and GB has the 52nd highest percentage of immigrants in the world. - alex c, bristol, 25/8/2011 11:53 ========================================= What utter nonsense. Most countries have a large population of what historically could be termed immigrants. The statistic which is important (and scary) is the rate of immigration.
So after a over a year in power everything is still Labour's fault. That is probably because Cameron has not yet made one meaningful decision. Guess he is finding out that being in power rather than being in opposition means you need to stop complaining about the actions of others and start taking responsibility yourself. If, in my job, after almost 18 months, I was blaming everything on my predecessor then rightly my bosses would start to question my ability.
We must not lose sight of the fact that, blair and the labour party, opened the doors for all and sundry to enter this country, and then created the human rights act which stops us throwing undesirables out..! - the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 25/8/2011 12:09-------What a ridiculous comment. In that case let's not lose sight of the fact that the present excuse for a government have done naff all to change things, it's actually got worse on their watch.
Is anyone really surprised at this information. I for one am not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's awful. I feel sorry for you, UK... time to do something and not just talk, politicians.
This government will be unable to do anything about this as long as we remain in the EU. And Cameron cannot do anything about it because it seems he will be told what to do when he goes to the annual meeting of the Bilderberg Group. We have the answer for the next election. Vote BNP
Davie, Davie carry on like this boy and I who voted for you will be glad to see the back of you come next election - this of course includes the red labour and the non entity liberals
And to think at the last election I voted conservative for the first time in over 50 years. Still I still they are a better alternative to the lying, thieving,apology for ''socialists'' the others have become.
This is absolutely no surprise to anyone not dim enough to be fooled yet again by the three headed political cabal in Westminter, siiting there ruling over us like a Cerberus, one body with 3 faces eache of which will snarl and drool venom at anyone who dares to challenge the hegemony of the political classes!
When will Dave realise that the way to election victory is not only to listen to the people BUT do what the people are crying out for. Scrap Human Rights, Immigration, Political correctness, Ken Clarke, The Lib Dems and he is home and dry. Regrettably none of this will happen.
Well anybody with any sense knew that the Government pledge to reduce immigration was a load of rubbish right from the start, the government dont want to upset the lefties.
Cheap, flexible labour - the proud boast of Tory party and Labour party alike. "We have the most flexible workforce in Europe" they proudly proclaim. That's what the loosest immigration controls in Europe are for - to bring in cheap labour and keep Britain 'competitive' -Oh! And to keep wages down.
Why doesn't the government re-instate the strict immigration laws of the early 50s whereby any immigrant wanting to come to the UK would have to have proof of a definite job to go to proved by confirmation letter by an employer and proper documentation by the Home Office? On second thoughts if this were the case today, nobody would come here because there are no jobs for the British never mind the immigrant. As to the Asylum seekers, well, they are just milking the country for everything they can get.
What other country would give out such freebies.......come on down !!!!!!!!
Not only are far fewer UK citizens moving abroad to live, but many more are now returning, with the weak pound making life too expensive for them and with cuts to pensions and increases in the cost of living. If the 'Get out of Europe' faction ever gets its way, the UK should prepare itself for at least ONE MILLION extremely disgruntled and largely impoverished elderly people returning to the UK as their right to live in other EU countries expires. Most of them will then expect to have full use of the NHS, will want access to benefits and cold weather payments etc. and eventually will need care homes and so on. The problems caused by a few hundred thousand active younger immigrants, most of whom work, will pale into insignificance.
I am afraid that this Government like the last one is as weak as water,because if they were strong enough they would tell the EU where to go and offer us a referendum on whether or not to pull out.I think that maybe the BNP are our only hope,and if I am honest I don't particuarly like them.
Why are we having to pay these politicians at all. What are they doing other carrying out the wishes of the EU. We are an island and if they cannot control immigration, they cannot run our country. If the EU gang are running our country why are we electing and paying this bunch of clowns.
The ONLYT way to stop it is tovote UKIP or BNP. I reckon UKIP would be the best bet.
- Terry, Southend on Sea, 25/8/2011 12:18-------------------------------------------------------------- Your observation s are completely true, my grandson has been quoted £7-9000 for car insurance and then we wonder why youngsters drive uninsured. He ca
Folks, until You learn that British bosses want more not less immigration You will never understand what's really going on. Cameron and his hooray Henry mates are in the pockets of big business so put the two together and hey presto what have You got? Answers on a post card please...(!)
Leave the EU. This makes all the EU people then here illegally (no visa). Ship ALL the illegals out of the UK. This will save us BILLIONS.
British passports are being handed out to new arrivals at the fastest rate ever.The numbers are now much higher than under the last treacherous nu labour regime.
The 1951 Geneva Convention on refugees was drawn up for the relatively small flow escaping from the Iron Curtain and not for the mass flooding into Europe from all over the world, which dates from the 90's. Swift deportation of all false claimants should be the norm but is not because of our Human Rights Act - the European Convention on Human Rights brought into our law by Labour. The Convention and the Act work together and create a vicious circle. Also, British judges have broadened the criteria for asylum to include, for instance, homosexuals who are frowned on in their native countries, women who are discriminated against, religious beliefs, and so on.
I think the real truth is that Gordon Brown just can't count ..
no excuses just get it sorted.
Only UKIP will look after us. Please give them a chance. There is too much at stake to lose. Act while you still have the chance before it is too late. - SL, Somewhereout there UK, 25/8/2011 12:02 Wasn't this the party that at the last election offered Cameron its voters if he promised a referendum on the EU? Didn't this party also have several immigrants on its potential MP and MEP list? Looks a little like same old same old to me. A new colour tie possibly. Yellow for Lib, Red for Lab, Blue for Con, Blue with interchangeable stripes for when they decide to ally with another party possibly? Instead of LibLabCon we will have LibLabConUp
James J London You're talking pants. A total freeze in ILR would result in my Asian wife being forced back to Asia, causing massive heartache for both of us. And yes I'm white, British.
Is there any other country in the world that has such a generous benefit system than ours? If you haven't paid into the system, why should you get anything out? Stop the benefits and immigration will go down.
This country is not capable of taking in any more people. We are in a mess, overstreched health service, not enough social housing, schools class sizes rising, children whose first language is not english needing alot more help than is available, neighbourhoods turning into war zones. We need to start copying other countries who do not let people in unless sponsored, have employment, are healthy etc. etc.
Change the benefits system so you only get food coupons and hostel accomodation and then stand clear of the doors!
Mmm. Maybe we can pay for all these extra immigrants with the money we're taking from children and the disabled.
Maybe if the government paid pensioners a decent state pension, like they do in other European countries, a lot more would emigrate to warmer climes to balance up the numbers coming in? Just a suggestion. Discuss.
So.. Now we know for sure. None of the main parties have the slightest intention of stemming this tide. I will have to transfer my vote to a party that definitely will.
We should not allow another immigrant into the UK until all the illegals have been deported. David Cameron make the most of your short stay in government, you are not doing what we are paying you to do, look after the native Brits interests above all others. You will be on the scrap heap with Blair and Brown after the next election. The good old days are over, you won't get a second chance.
Why are our troops in Afganistan when Britains biggest enemy is it's own politicians? - working class hero, eussr., 25/8/2011 12:10 ____________________________________________ Precisely BECAUSE Britain's biggest enemies are our own politicians....... Remember who keeps cutting our defences and who SENDS our troops as far away as possible in the first place............ Well THAT's why.
Britain's immigration policy is a joke. No wonder is overrun with different cultures all demanding their own rights, laws and financial systems. The UK is finished.
Don't red arrow this until you've read it ALL, properly, and thought it through.... Please stop confusing 'asylum seekers' with migrants. Some people come from war torn countries and oppression and are seeking safety. Most come for the economic benefits they can get from this country. These are two different sets of people in very different circumstances and it weakens your arguments if you mix them up. People will (rightly) accuse you of being uncaring if you jump up and shout about 'asylum seekers' so DON'T DO IT- jump up and shout about economic migrants and your case will be stronger.
People must stay in their own countries im sure the stats for SA are also high and some of the problems we now have are brought by too much prevalance of immigrants. dont call me xenophobic.
A recent CBI report found that one of the principle drivers of immigration was businesses having to source talent from Europe as they simply cannot find appropriately skilled UK employees. If you want the economy to grow, if you want your pension funds to pay decent dividends, then companies must be allowed to hire from overseas. Just about every business owner in the country (and there are approximately 2 million of them) will tell you how hard it is to find decent UK staff.
As long as you newspapers keep printing leftist views notying will change,we still have free speech in this country and it's about time you printed right wing viewpoints for your readers,the BNP UKIP are legal political parties,
This condemnation government is a joke, they could not govern their way out of a paper bag. You have Dave the daftie swooning aobut Cornwall, who cares that his daughter was born 3 weeks earlier last year. He is no father when he constantly called the children of Britain feral, the man has no clue what real life is about. SHAME ON YOU cameron. Here is all the red arrows coming from the daily fail readers.
What's the point of even having Border Control when we accept them all anyway
I see no way out of this debacle other than mass public demostrations and strikes as has happened in middle east countries,when governments will not listen to the majority of its own people there is no alternative. Sooner or later the electorate will have to make a stand,before we become a minority in our own country.When a government defies the will of its own people,it is no longer a democratic government.
Oh that will be why we were told the other day that they are getting rid of us after the Olympics - no front line staff cuts we were told - now they are saying 5,000 are going. - UK BA officer, UK>>>>>>> The Uk Border Agency is a laugh, you lose more immigrants than you detain.immigrants just walk into this country, while the british are stopped and checked all the time.I am glad this useless waste of money , is being binned.
2 points here; The first is 250,000 people passed the rules requiring good english, job skills and money to settle.......fair enough. The second is....we should balance out the legal immigrants by simply shipingout all illegals, regardless of "human rights", as surely, breaking our law shows you have given up your rights?
My son has been looking for work during his college summer break. He tries every day and gets nowhere. He wants to buy a cheap car, tax and insure it. He is prepared to do ANYTHING! But gets no offers and lots of rejections. He's 19 years old and getting very frustrated by it all. I walked past a local NHS centre last week and it was all draped in cover sheets ready for re-decorating. There were half-a-dozen or so painters in overalls standing outside taking a break from the work - they were covered in spalttered paint and were smoking, drinking mugs of coffee and chatting ... not word of spoken english between them. Immigrants taking jobs those jobs that young lads like my son would have done in the past. As a lifelong Tory voter I will not be voting Conservative again. Neither will I be renewing my membership with the local conservative club. I have no faith in Cameron and this coalition government anymore and I certainly will not be voting Labour either. Its UKIP for me
Everyon knows that the reason immigration cannot be controlled is the Schengen Agreement of freedom of movement within the EU of citizens of member countries. Cameron can make as many statements as he wants, but unless he vetos this agreement or leaves the EU, he is flapping his lips, as Brussels will say who can come here, not out Govt.
Here come the new boss, the same as the old boss. The only thing that seems to have changed is the colour of his tie. The only thing our politicians are good for is waffle and u-turns. They spout the good things they do on the international scene and at the same time shaft us, the very people they are supposed to represent. They take their orders from big business and Brussels and that is it. They have no intention of representing us fully and acting on what the electorate wants, they just protect their friends and give us an occaisional Carrot to make it look good for a short while.
Wolverhampton is full of Lithuanians, Latvians, Slovakians, Slovenians, Czechs, Poles, Russians with some Estonians, Romanians and Bulgarians. I know as my friend worked on the census and encountered all these languages on doorsteps, in one area in over 50% of households. These people are not asylum seekers, that is a separate issue which should not be conflated with economic migration. What I want to know is, if these people are working, what jobs are they skilled and qualified to do that Wolverhampton's unemployed are not? If they are not working (officially) why are they here not in their own countries? Apparently many initially mistook the census taker for someone who had come to give them 'benefits'. I had thought myself quite liberally minded about immigration but my friends experience shocked me, and her, to the core.
ALL THANKS TO THE TRAITORS CA-MORON & CLEGG........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about their human rights? - Graham, London, 25/8/2011 What about ours Graham, we are all in the EU, why don't they stay in their own country and make it prosperous - no they prefer to come here where they can live off benefits and do crime with no punishment. Thats why they come here and thats why we need to close our borders.
Well vote for the BNP to stop the rot its your choice or vote for liblabcon for more of the same simples
GROSS immigration figures please NOT net. It is a farce to talk about net immigration - if 5 million immigrants enter the country and 5 million English leave are we to say that immigration is zero!!
More statistics, more lies. ========== Don't forget the numbers do not include the tens of thousands that come in undetected. ============= It reminds me so much of the Trojan Horse story. ============ What next gun wielding so called rebel soldiers at the next series of riots.
You have to weep for this country now : I have just turned 65 and will lose 6days of pension approx. £90 for some reason to do with my National Ins. number..well you can see where these stolen revenues are going.. write to your MP said the lady at the Pensions Dept.. please I said '' don't make me laugh.''
And those are the ones we hear about. The figure is in all probability much higher. I no longer hold out any hope to save the country with this lot in power. May God help us.
Wait for it, another U-Turn spun as a major step forward from the Downing St lecturne later today,
I'll be voting UKIP first chance I get!
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your manicure is French. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your rice is Pakistani. Your movies are American. Your tea is English. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers are Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together!
Why are our troops in Afganistan when Britains biggest enemy is it's own politicians?
I wrote on here a while back about the farce that is "net immigration". ie Professionals out benefit claimants in ! Now they have been found out by their own statistics. Immigration should be numbers IN only as anything else distorts the number of immigrants arriving here.
Vote Con/Lab/Lib and immigration will continue to rise. The only way to cut it is to vote BNP.
They will never stop flooding in...until somone man's up and stops ALL handouts ! I can promise you as an english citizen , no where in the world will you be welcome with empty pockets . You think im wrong then try it !!!!
Im was wondering just now we have nt had a mass immigration story to get us all seething recently and hey presto!...Never Fail with the Mail!
That will be because of the aggressive lobbying by the industry as they are purely interested in cutting costs, ie wages, and it sounds as if the coalition gave them what they wanted. As western neoliberal governments always do. These people dont govern they simply organise the work camps they now manage.
We must not lose sight of the fact that, blair and the labour party, opened the doors for all and sundry to enter this country, and then created the human rights act which stops us throwing undesirables out..!
Come an live in France. You cannot win its too late. I believe that a new Bank Holiday is being introduced Somalia Independence Day as it got more votes than St Georges Day.
A total freeze on new citizenships or indefinite leave to stay should be the first move. Our political class does not believe in the concept of nationality which is why they have brought in an Open Borders policy by stealth. Andrew Neather told us LabourÂ’s motives: to flood the country with Labour voters and destroy our culture. We need an official Inquiry to hear evidence under oath on whether ministers conspired to break our immigration laws for political ends.
This is why I will not vote Labour again my vote will now be either UKIP or BNP.
The only election pledge Shameron has kept is to ring-fence foreign aid and even has the cheek to increase it! To busy pontificating on the world stage to have any interest in his own country and people.How much has Libya cost us? how much more is it going to cost in aid to build it up,how much is it going to cost us when all the pro Gaddafi supporters come over seeking asylum? Other countries just stay on sidelines watch what is going on and reap the rewards afterwards,not us got to shove our nose's in at the cost of millions we can ill afford.
Absolutly awful,Cameron, lies and lies and lies all the time ,for god sake we should be getting rid of the immigrants then it would save an awful lot of money, instead we have to pay , what a nightmare with liers running this country, the sooner he goes the better, this country is going down and down with all the Goverments we've had lately, we need a Goverment that thinks, us not themselves mmmmm the sooner the better
Stop handing our benefits,Housing, free NHS, free Dental etc etc and maybe then they will stop coming here. Thats a major issue in this Country now get it sorted and stop telling us how many more keep coming.
Cameron is a total LIAR!! Time to vote out this coward...
The following is a statement made by the greatest proponent of a “Single European State, unified under one leader”. (Under discussion is a plan to move the entire Dutch population to Poland…) “You know nothing about politics. The plan is sheer genius. Listen to how brilliant it is. We have taken Poland but the Poles hate us; we need Germanic blood there. In spite of their treason, the Dutch are Germanic and in Poland they will learn to change their attitude to us. The Poles will treat them not as fellow-sufferers under our rule but as enemies for taking their land. Lost among the Slavs, the Dutch will turn to us as protectors. As for Holland, we will fill it with young German peasants. Admit it, is it not sheer genius?” Thus Heinrich Himmler to his physician, Dr. Felix Kersten, in Himmler’s office at 8, Prinz Albrecht Strasse, Berlin, 2nd March, 1941.
Are we at all surprised by the total failure of this incompetent government to achieve anything it puts it's hands to. You could put the Chuckle Brothers in charge and they'd do a better job.
It's high time Teresa May was replaced by a decent Home Secretary ( if one can be found) She is just full of hot air and nothing else. If these figures are correct - and I doubt it, just how many more ILLEGALS are there ?
France, Norway, Holland, Belgium and Denmark are the only countries that could, by stretching the rules, claim any form of asylum in this country. But, using the UN rules on asylum "the nearest safe country", then even these countries scould not do so, Therefore any person NOT from thise countries should be refused and removed.
UKIP would stop this immediately but as soon as the General Election comes around everybody goes back to voting for the same old same old. For the country to change we cannot continue voting for the three main parties. They have proved time and time again that nothing will change. Their time is finished. Labour the party for immigrants/lefties, Cons, for the wealthy and Libs for the Loony Left. Only UKIP will look after us. Please give them a chance. There is too much at stake to lose. Act while you still have the chance before it is too late.
It's not so much that people don't like immigrants, it's just why should they be able to sponge off our benefit system when they have contributed nothing towards it in the first place. In Spain for instance, you can go there to live but you are not entitled to any handouts and rightly so. Try going to live in places like Poland, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc and see if they will us any handouts for free, i think not!
Cameron stole millions of votes and got himself elected on lies. Cameron certainly is the heir to Blair.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. It does not matter one iota which party is in Office,they must water down the indigenous population to suit the EU Ideal.
Why does Theresa May still have a job as Home Secretary? she should be standing at the back of a queue at her nearest job centre.
Australia wouldn't stand for this and quite right too
Real reason EU ...? enemy within...?
I wonder how many of the 240,000+ have been awarded benefits and houses that cost £8,000+ a month in benefits as well. I'd guess they have cost us an extra £25+ million a week in all benefits. I thought 'Call me Dave' said he was putting a stop to willy nilly emigration into ONCE so great britain. There goes an extra 20p tax rises per person to pay for the immigrants to live here. The country has become a benefits haven for the worlds scroungers to come and live here.
It is being done deliberately to turn us into a basket case economy and drive us deeper into eu dependence. UKIP is the only answer.
Our whole culture is being taken from us. Anyone complaining though should know that the answer is NEVER AGAIN to vote for the idiots who got us into this mess. (Lab/Con/Lib) I know who I'll be voting for -a party that will take immigration seriously and will deport those who have no right to be here or once here abuse our hospitality.
the government needs to realise how strongly people feel about this issue - we cannot support our own people, who should have priority over immigrants. it is only the loony left who support mass immigration. this is the sort of thing that gets the fascists parties in power, a notion which fills me with dread. yes, stop all immigration now, before it all blows up in our face.
Just sold your country and childrens future because thats what you ALL voted for, suckers.
From the diatribe you have written windrush, Surrey, I think we might guess from whence your wind is rushing.
Instead of the usual talking about it action needs to be taken now. It has already been proven that there are no jobs for school ledgers and 1 in 4 are unemployed yet we continue to let people pour in. When will anything be done?
Stop paying benefits to people who haven't contributed to the system. The sole reason people emigrate to this country from the third world is the lure of 'free money' - money for nothing. When they learn there's nothing for them, as in their home countries, they will stop coming here. Simple.
Well there's plenty of room we are not standing shoulder to shoulder yet. seriously it's no good moaning about foreign workers when our school leavers mostly can't be bothered to get out of bed and when they do decide to turn up for work they are always yawning (and don't cover their mouths because they don't know its rude) they never want to do anything but yak about some boring tv reality show or facebook & twitter tripe - and have the cheek to say "well I'm not going to kill myself for the minimum wage". we only have the stupid way they are brought up to blame
Vote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIPVote UKIP Unless you do then stop moaning, these 3 idiot parties wilol never stop immigration!!
If old people have stopped emigrating to Spain, etc, the Government needs to create more ex-pats to bring down net-migration
Ah what do you expect, no British politician will ever do anything about immigration, they have too many business friends who are enjoying a low wages bill, politicians cannot be trusted and im perplexed as to why we still vote for any of them.
I love to read your rants about immigration. I've read some interesting stats on immigration and GB has the 52nd highest percentage of immigrants in the world. Not the first, second or third but the 52nd. But don't let the facts get in the way of you squealing your usual xenophobic nonsense and pretending to be the victim of some awful unfair plot to allow people who aren't the same colour as you to live nearby you.
We have an open door and they will keep coming for the benefits !!
What on Earth is it going to take for polititions to realise that BRITAIN IS FULL and take action ! Immigration should be linked to available jobs and housing stock- there are not enough jobs for our existing school leavers let alone more immigrants ! Let ASYLUM seekers seek asylum in other countries- Why do Africans and Asians continue to flood into this country ? Let them seek asylum in another African or Asian country, rather than travel thousands of miles to 'milk' our Benifits System ! ! Gutless polititions seem unwilling to tackle this immence problem....WHY ?
With our 'phoney' war in helping Libya and this, its just like having Labour back again!!! Seriously, what WILL it take to make politicians start listening, realising and doing something??
So, the Lib/Lab/Cons... Not so fantastic are they now. They are one and the same. Next time try voteing UKIP and this simply will not happen.
How many more times must it be said, ZERO, Z-E-R-O immigration!!!!! OK we can't stop EU immigration yet but we can stop the rest of the world coming here because we really don't need any more burger flippers, pizza delivery drivers, petrol station cashiers, taxi drivers, street cleaners, airport workers etc or good old fashioned benefit and health care claimants. Then GET OUT OF THE EU and pick and choose which EU countries we will allow immigration from. It's not rocket science, it certainly isn't difficult to close the worldwide borders tomorrow.
The other day I was red arrowed for suggesting that we wait to see how Cameron would cope before we condemn Labour's record. I rest my case.
What you mean is that emigration has fallen, due to the disastrous fall in the exchange rate. Immigration hasn't risen at all.
Good. More hard workers. You native English are slackers waste of space. Only good thing is the benefits ontop of work!
Another public humiliation for Mr Cameron and his unelected team. Britain is the laughing stock of the world because of the way it lets in hundreds of thousands of useless immigrants.
We clearly can't stop immigration otherwise it would of been done by now so I reckon the next step should be to find a way to accommodate immigrants without causing too much disruption to society. A good start would be to take away all special privileges and treat them as equal to us rather than fast tracking them for council houses and jobs etc.
"Labour spent £2million every day on a shambolic asylum system which failed to remove hundreds of thousands of bogus claimants, revealed a study by the MigrationWatch think-tank" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm pretty sure I read this exact same paragraph in a similar (but not the same?) story, yesterday?!
And what about all the hundreds of thousands the government don't know about? Figures are well out, ask any sewage worker.
Everybody is descended from immigrants, fair enough the UK cannot hold an infinite number of people but those who need protection should be helped and those who are already here should be respected. And for the record the BNP is not the answer, immigrants are not the reason for the problems in this country, so racist and frankly inhumane policies of deportation will not work.
STUDY !!!......more like a cosy sit down in a country that hands out free housing and benefits to all and sundry !!
I doubt very much its Study, my guess its the benefits our government is giving away that has attracted so many foreigners. This government is in cloud cuckoo land if you ask me.
I feel very badly betrayed by my Government. Both the Conservatives (who I voted for) and the Lib Dems said they would reduce immigration - they both lied. I feel immigrants are a threat to my livelihood. Therefore, I will vote BNP from now on and advise other people to do so.
David Cameron has become a socialist europhile, after promising a referendum on europe his present stance is dumbfounding and he has done absolutely nothing about immigration.
Oh that will be why we were told the other day that they are getting rid of us after the Olympics - no front line staff cuts we were told - now they are saying 5,000 are going.
The reason why the number of people emigrating from this country has dropped is obvious although your report does not go into the reasons for such. It is because other countries have a much more stricter immigration policy and in these straightened economic times they are enforcing it which is what we need to do. No ifs, no buts FULL STOP!
The Tories promised to tackle mass immigration but that was only in the run-up to the last election. Once elected, they did what they have always done - bowed to the demands of big business. The CIPD survey published yesterday showed that employers are far more interested in hiring cheap immigrant labour than in employing school leavers. So the Tories are quietly boosting immigration - and to hell with the sons and daughters of the British, including those people idiotic enough to have voted for them.
They keep (along with a lot of DM readers), complain about immigration spiralling under Labour (which it did). They've done a lot to stop it then haven't they (higher still since they came in). It makes it harder and harder to complain about the last lot with the lot we've got doesn't it.
What about their human rights?
Not a surprise...Cameron talks tough om Immigration but his policies are always watered down by Clegg who is rabidly pro immigration....remember the first concession Clegg got out of Cameron was to stop the UK Border Agency from detaining illegal immigrant families who have refused to leave the UK; Clegg bragged about this at his party conference but what this effectively meant was any illegal immigrants who have children in the UK cannot be forcibly removed so they will just refuse to go of their own accord and remain in the UK. Worse still the marvellous Human Rights Act ensures that even though they are here illegally we the taxpayer must still pay for their accommodation , living , medical and schooling costs forever...great system..sends out the right message eh?...well done Nick you must be proud of yourself..
These are official figures which are known to be notoriously understated. How long has war-torn Pakistan been in a civil war? Unless the governmet decides to tackle the problem what has happened with the mini riots to date will be nothing compared to when a spokesman emerges to defend the majority from this onslaught. EDL and other such organisations do not speak for the majority, if a spokesman does come forward then god help us all.
New government, nothing changes. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, as Roger Daltry would scream! THEY'RE NOT LISTENING! THEY NEVER LISTEN! They all talk tough and in reality they're all a bunch of wimps. Our politicians from all 3 major parties, are a national disgrace. They look after themsleves first, then the EU. Shameron, Clegg (nice tie, shame about the policies), and nasal Millipede are like local councillors. Kowtowing to the EU at every opportunity, and meanwhile us taxpayers stump up for every single waste of money scheme they implement. They'll never cut unemployment, they'll never put a halt to illegal immigration, EU immigration, Rumanian gypsies or the like. They won't fix our hospitals or cut state wasteful spending, sort out the banks, or dump the quangos,because they're impotent. Useless, useless useless, every single one of them. So, use your next vote wisely, and don't vote for any of the above!
At this rate i can even see a dodo bird turning up in Britain even though the last one was spotted in Mauritius in 1681 !
But the number of people heading to the UK's shores for a definite job was at its lowest in more than six years, at 110,000. I think that this is the part that will baffle most people in the UK that is looking for work. Why are companies importing people here for jobs when there are millions who are looking. I dont believe that the jobs being advertised overseas cannot be filled with UK job hunters. I agree that there will be some specialist jobs that companies find hard to fill, but 110,000 of them, I find that hard to believe. So what excuses are cameron and co going to use now?
I cannot remember voting for my way of life to be destroyed and the wealth of this country to be given away to people who have not contributed.Why are we still letting these people in.I have come to the conclusion that this government like the previous government has a dislike for its own people.It is easier for them to help a immigrant than try and help a young person get a job here, never mind housing.the people already living here can stay with their parents until they are 50.The government could put a stop to this today but I really do believe that they choose not to.
How strange that another of Cameron's pledges has fallen by the wayside! Vote UKIP, or even BNP, to at least try to return Britain to the British.
Has just call me Dave left the country for good or is he on another holiday???
How can you blame anyone who wants to come to the best country on the planet, where the vast majority of its inhabitants wake up each and every morning with tears of pure joy in their eyes, safe in the knowledge that they live on Gods own beautiful back-garden?
That's hell of a lot. The gov flipping annoy me no end!!! This country is bursting..
As millions continue to pour in Cameron focuses on...Libya and 'development' . And now that libyans know that they can leave guess where they'll be heading?
Spending 2million pounds a day to remove illegal migrants who eat up 1million pounds seems to be defeating the purpose of saving britons some tax cash! Think parliament...put those brainstorming caps on and save your country!! And why aren't young britons woking anyway?? ....
Come on roll up roll up get free benefits, free houses , free medical treatment, live like kings, stay as long as you like,do as you like, because nobody cares!!!! WELL I CARE, because theres less jobs and prospects for our own up and coming youngsters, There will be no money in the pension pot shortly by giving it away to these no contributors. TIME TO CLOSE THIS CIRCUS DOWN , AND GET RID OF ALL OF THE CLOWNS,AND ESPECIALLY THE RING MASTER!!!!!!!
So more lies from the government. I thought they were only allowing in 28000 skilled workers. Seems like all you need is a visa and you can stay forever whatever type it might be.Never mind there are only 5 million on benefits. More civil unrest on the way.
Every week we keep on hearing how many more immigrants are coming to our Country. What we do not hear is how many are being sent back. This Country is becoming so over crowded we will be standing shoulder to shoulder soon. For goodness sake somebody do something about it.
It's too late to save this country anyway , we can't return to how England used to be. Damn shame - even the leftys will realise this once their Freedoms are taken away. Nevermind carry on looking after every other country in this world except for our own!
England's green and pleasant land, eh?
This small very overcrowded will not survive, there is a limit how far our taxes (from those that work) will go. WE (the government) are far too free with our money OUR CHILDREN, OUR STUDENT AND MOST OF ALL OUR ELDERLY SHOULD COME FIRST. Anything left after that then let the people who pay the tax decide where it goes FIND JOBS FOR OUR OWN FIRST AND MAKE THEM TAKE IT OR NO MONEY!
We will never build enough houses to House them.
You mean politicians lied to us? Surely you jest??? And of course you do realise that making any sort of report or comment criticising the noble passage of unlimited numbers of immigrants (despite none of us being asked if we are ok with that) into the country makes you racist?
I suspected the Tories would be weak on immigration . That is why I voted UKIP at the last election. Feel totally justified and satisfied in my decision. So far so underwhelmed by the limp wristed Coalition.
This government spout nothing but froth. I wrote to my MP about something in the middle of February and despite my hastening several times I am still waiting for a reply - that's 6 months I have been waiting for an answer - I did receive an email saying he would be "in touch as soon as possible" so I have deduced that if "as soon as possible" is 6+ months; then the meaning of "possible" for Cameron and Clegg and his lot is different from the rest of the world's interpretation of the word
Please, please, please this has to stop. No more pathetic excuses about how we need immigrants to do the jobs the lazy, feckless British wont, it's rubbish pure and simple. If this doesn't stop soon there will be mayhem in this country, it's as simple as that.
Clearly shows we can't afford to live here, but we equally cannot afford to leave. Might be due to the fact that other EU counties have designated the UK as Europe's holding tank.
Living in central London for the last 20 years, I don't believe any of the figures put out by the government. If figures say 241,000 people settled in the UK last year, they must all have decided to live within a 2 mile radius of where I live, and brought their extended families with them. I think we are letting people into this country at the rate of 241,000 a month and most of them are staying. This may be visitors, students, extended families, new arrivals, I don't know, but I think we are full.
If u do your research properly you will notice it's not only UK that has a problem with immigration.
This madness needs to be stopped now ......the talk is over
We will tackle immigration? Another lie perpetuated by parsitical criminals in Westminster. New Liebour Blue Liebour what's the difference?
And do our government care? no. It won't be long till the hard up adults of the country will be rioting. You think the kids were bad a few weeks ago.
we will all be standing shoulder to shoulder soon,and take it in turns to bend down!
Puts lie to claims that they are actually achieving *anything* doesn't it? So question is, are they *actually* doing anything at all to remedy the situation, or is it just hot air like many suspect.
I cant tell you how angry this makes me. some of our city's are un recognisable due to Immigration and to hear we spend so much when we should be putting back into our nhs, schools, housing, etc. is a disgrace.
Of course the tories would increase immigration. They want the cheap labour for their companies and estates so that they can increase their wealth. Who do you think brought over slaves and colonized other countries for cheap labour a hundred years ago? Greenpeace? That said all the parties are as bad as each other, its the rich and the elite wanting to stay that way and they don't give a monkeys uncle about you. At the start of the french revolution the middle class were castigating the poor rioters only for them to join in later when things got worse for them...
20%...!!!! Well done Camoron, another broken promise. We haven't enough money, jobs, houses etc for our OWN people but yet you continue to import more immigrants every day to leech off our services and tax payers. Thanks for nothing you liar!
ALL asylum claims should be rejected, you can only seek asylum in the nearest safe country based on geographical borders not pick and choose and so all asylum seekers are bogus and illegal and should be removed immediately
Of course it did!!!! This government will no more listen to its electorate about this important and serious issue than the last. For some reason, no one is taking the over population of this small country seriously. What has to happen to make people wake up and do something about stopping immigration?
Another election pledge broken. This is absolutely crazy, the sort of thing you'd expect from the Screaming Raving Monster Looney Party. The Tories must want to see London sacked again. I wonder if there is anyone left who is not thinking of voting BNP next time round? - Apart from the Immigrants themselves and the perfidious left of course.
gary Gruissan luckily for you that self important delusional attitude save Europe twice, why did we bother? tiara lincolnsky
Even though the Tory part is losing votes to UKIP on a grand scale It does not mean that labour is automatically going to get in at the next election. There are a hell of a lot of disaffected labour voters who know they were dumped on by by Blair and Brown and will be voting UKIP as well.
For all his other calamities, it is the economy that will ensure that Cameron is a one term Prime Minster. By pursuing neoliberalism, instead of traditional conservative economic managment, planning and ivestment, he and Osborne have disastrous one note economic strategy that is only about cuts. Every sensible economist, whether conservative or socialist, knows that you cannot lift a nation out of a deficit without an economic plan for growth. Yes, more efficient use of public funds is key as well, but Our granparents, whose attitude was build, build, build after the war when national debt was far higher will be spinning in their graves. They showed us how investment and economic investment strategy is a central part of it too. And it worked. The Conservative Party must turn out the neoliberal cuckoo in the nest.
Thank you Mr Cameron for standing up for what you believe in. We always believed that the Tory party was Homophobic . Now we know only 137 are.
The German situation WILL be repeated here, it is inevitable given our welfare system and neither Tory or Labour are willing to stop it. It will be nasty and unpleasant for all of us and if it is to be resolved by some future government then that too will lead to upheavals, protests and civil unrest. UKIP is the only chance we have stop this madness before it happens, but then only if enough people bother to vote.
Time for a general strike, block the ports airports and all other entry points on the days off
Camron is a wolf in sheeps clothing. No he cannot clean up his mistakes. He let us know exactly who he is. It is difficult to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Why is the (non) topic of gays marrying even as issue to be voted on? The UKs economy is in shambles and Parliament wants to vote on THIS?!?!?! WHY?
This man is the main reason why I will never vote Tory again after 60 odd years of voting Tory. He thinks he is God and can only do right. Take,s no account of other peoples views because as his Mum said he believes he is always right. At the next election when I reckon at least 40 Tory seats will have been lost probably to UKIP I hope the party remembers why and their lack of guts to stand up to him has heaped it upon them by the loss of so many seats. My only hope is that Labor supporters can see the poor choice in front of them and hope they also will send many seats to UKIP. Why Ukip, well it is the only party so far that has never lied to me and I also want out of that money wasting organization called the EU.
I'm afraid civil unrest is just around the corner.
He is dismantling the Armed Forces, destroying the NHS, he is crippling the police, taking money from the disabled, crushing the working man all while spending Billions on vanity projects across the world. This week he has put the rights of a minority group above those of the religious majority. He uses spin and basically lies to gather headlines while giving tax breaks to the rich and pandering to media barons. Be honest with yourself is your life any better under Cameron? My guess is not its worse far worse, do you trust he has the countries interests at heart? Again my guess is not so far he appears to be lining the pockets of huge firms by preparing to privatise everything from the military and police to the NHS. Final question knowing what you know what you have seem his government do or not do in most cases, Will you vote for him again? My guess is no, I know I won't. Fool me once.....
Voted Tory for 35 years, but never ever again. Cameron is a lying spiv. The rest of the gutless MPs who wanted to vote against but didn't and those who abstained should hand their heads in shame. The Tories just buried their own party.
What has he done, the conservatives were our only hope, and his arrogance is driving voters away. The alternatives are appalling . Labour and the Liberals are dangerous, and UKIP has no up to date policies nor even an MP. what a joke. He behaves more like Blair every day, they both forget the Prime-ministers post is just that , first minister not President or Dictator.
I find it intolerable that David Cameron has discussed this, the least important of all the issues going on around us now, when it wasnt even in the Tories Manifesto. As a long standing Conservative supporter, I will not vote for them again, I would rather have BNP ruffians running the country than this lot. Cameron only ever says "well in my opinion....". I didnt vote for him to put forward his own opinion. I voted for him so that I could put my opinion forward and for his party to act on the people's opinions. After all, isnt that what democracy is? I know for sure that it isnt so that individual politicians can get their own opinions and beliefs pushed through. Mr Cameron you are causing your own demise. If you cant sort out the urgent problems in this country let someone who is capable of doing so take your place, although I would say God forbid it was Clegg!
Hopefully not...he is yet another traitor to the British and the three main parties should be finished after all that's gone on in the last decade or so. Anyone who votes for them must be mad to do so, knowing what they've all done. We need a radical shake up of political parties and the main three should be dumped on the scrap heap as that's where they've put most of us. We need a new party not the old tired ones...no one with a modicum of intelligence can vote for these any more unless they want more of the same because there isn't a fag paper between the three of them. They've morphed into one party.: "The NWO party".
I doubt that it will happen.
Unfortunately after few years in power this country not getting better, the plan was not working and make people suffers. Can't control the price, more business bankrupt.. and I'd just lost the word and trust.
Cameron is a hero, the sadness is that 136 dinosaurs still exist in his party. They and the DM are on the wrong side of history - again. This is a great day for civil society.
"Can Cameron heal his self-inflicted wound?" Why would we want him to? His self-inflicted wound doesn't worry me, it the wounds he and his cabinet have inflicted on the nation that we should concentrate on.
Yes a sad day for the Conservative Party, but it is all self inflicted by keeping a useless leader in beer money. Cameron has ruined all conservative principles, and is hoping to wrongly push Britain into a fully corrupt EU.
If I was British born and it was the heritage of my ancestors, my language, my culture at stake and the future of my children and grandchildren and generations to come, I would not sleep at night ! This is what is waiting for you people. GET OUT OF THE EU and start taking your Country back !
HE deserves all that he gets and more, the egoistical piece of flotsam. HE wants to be like his hero, Blair. He is, hated and despised.
I wonder if this was an ultimatum from Clegg, either make this law or the Lib Dems leave the coalition, nothing else makes any sense and if this is the case then Cameron's finished as Conservative party leader.
Please, pretty please, will all you little Englanders just pull out the EU and sod off into the pathetic delusional self importance and bigotary you desire so much and dream about.
Cameron; just what is his problem ?
LAST NIGHT I BECAME AN EX TORY VOTER. WELL DONE CAMERON YOUR TACTICS ARE FLAWLESS. SCHOOL BOYS RUNNING THE COUNTRY. UKIP HAS JUST GOT ANOTHER MEMBER.
What does Cameron stand for??? It's not christian values or he wouldn't have brought that bill forward, he's not for Britian or he'd have had the referendum on europe that he promised. He's trying to be more liberal than the liberals and more left than labour - so what does he stand for? Not Conservatism that's for sure. Can't see the Conservatives having a hope at the next election.
So what is the problem with giving homosexuals the same marriage rights as others?
Can't wait to see the latest UKIP poll. Cameron's only skill is consistently and unerringly reading the mood and wishes of the majority incorrectly. Enough of this idiot. Vote UKIP.
If Cameron was a soldier with hand-grenades I would stand in the direction he was supposed to be throwing them because he is more dnagerous to those on his own side than he is to those on the other side. What is even worse is that inventing and pushing Gay Marriage was in none of the political parties manifestos and there was no great demand that it should be. For a reason known only to himself Cameron came up with the idea out of the blue and must have known full well the only people who would be damaged by it was his own party and supporters. That cannot even be explained away as a miscalculation, it was a definite attack on his own party and has all the signs of being a deliberate act of sabotage. Cameron has shown himself to be a danger to his own party and it's supporters and needs to be removed, Heath was foolish and gullible but Cameron knows full well whad damage he is doing and that is even more unforgivable.
The problem is, they are obsessing about all the wrong things and will be completely baffled as to why they end with less than 200 mp's again, as they had in the recent past.
Why does he not do everyone a favour and defect to Labour. It is quite obvious the rest of the tories have not got the sense to oust him. They dont need to start moaning when the lose seats or councils. They only have themselves to blame. Another tory turned to UKIP.
Please get shot of the Cameroons before there is no Tory voters left. I am off to UKIP afer 50 years a Tory voter.
He has been incredibly foolish/obstinate and clearly showed he had no respect for majority opinions that differ from his own and I do not think he has much of a future in politics once his one-term primeministerial post has ended.
Camergoon, obviously leader of the wrong party.
Well we are where we are because of the spectre of liberalism and socialism. When we need a really strong PM to take us in hand and protect the people, we have a load of left leaning washouts who will give away everything we own and regard of value - including our most precious of things, our culture to every stray and begging hand in the world. Its shaming - even the party who is allegedly leaning to the right, and can sort out this mess of ours are yellow bellied liberals.
Camerons a busy man.He's managed to make time in his busy schedule of destroying the country's defenses,involving us in war in Africa,ruining the Police Force,destroying the Tories to establish New Labour 2,in order to debase marriage.David Davies HELP !!!!
Its simple really - David Cameron is NOT a Tory.
Cameron has effectively defied the Christian church at the cost of the sanctity of marriage. Could this be in anyway connected to Mr Blair's position as Middle East Envoy as well as adviser to both Cameron and Miliband and a sub-plot to deny some of the christian church's credibility in favour of Islam. Sorry, I simply no longer trust the word of any of these politicians, I'm for UKIP who, having not yet been in power, are possibly less corruptible.
It seems that the coalition are willing to preside over Britain's descent into third world status. Our only chance - vote UKIP!
Cameron is a talentless rich bloke who has never had proper job and went into politics for something to do. - hogwash, bristol, 06/02/2013 08:03 I agree; it's plainly obvious to see but what are Tory HQ doing about it? They're complicit in his arrogance and blind stupidity.
I seriously cannot believe this idiot Cameron! What is he playing at..? I've voted Tory all my life, since 1979. Never, ever, again.
"Why, with so many more important matters to occupy him, has the Prime Minister staked so much on a fringe issue that he knew would cause deep distress to many of his most loyal followers?">>>In my view he is of the soft left, this kind of issue would be meat and drink to him. More importantly however, he is just a puppet to his owners, he is not the master of his house and is consequently not in a position to do anything about major issues e.g an EU referendum. He is trying to give the appearance of being active and in control. To plagiarise an old quote "he is in office but not in power"
Cameron was doing so well, he was fixing the economy, he banned Clamping he got rid of squatting and reigning in useless councils. but his wobble on Europe and Immigration and now this well that is it. I wont be voting for him anymore, UKIP is now the main party.
Cameroon deserves all he gets he is an incompetent, stupid moron and has compeltely messed everything up in government, but of course he was never elected to Parliament he got there by dedfault and I hope he goes the same way.
Message to the Conservative Party. If you do not got rid of Cameron soon you will most certainly lose the next election.
There's clearly a bigger picture to all this. Perhaps now he's seriously upset the Christian community, it becomes somehow 'fair' for them to attack the muslim community? The Tories are the only real alternative to Labour and a Labour government is unthinkable (but inevitable). As far as the Prime Minister goes, as far as I'm concerned he's a marked man.
Cameron has been sent in by his mentor and hero Tony Blair ,to "modernise" the Tory party , a.k.a turn them into the blue labour party. Which is exactly what they have now become . Cameron will likely lose the next election but he wont be too concerned because he has the exact same beliefs as the labour party . Good luck spotting any difference between the 3 main parties .
Yesterday the Tory party imploded.What is the point of calling oneself a 'Conservative' if you go around deliberately changing even the most deeply held principles. No..I think Cameron is deliberately doing to the Tories as when Blair ripped up their Clause37( Or whatever the number was). It was a throwing down the gauntlet moment. The party must now split. Traditional Tories must go to UKIP and the pathetic remainder may as well cross the floor and join the other unprincipled traitors. After all Labour no longer give a fig for the traditional white working class voter and now we clearly see that a significant number of Tories also dont care about their grass roots.
What was that historical comment about the 'longest suicide note' in history! IT needs reviving-updating now! Mr. Cameron, DAMN YOU. And I 'was' a lifelong (and 'mostly' up-tonow, un-ashamed), 'Conservative' I REPEAT DAMN YOU.
The liberal elite who control this country will eventually be toppled. History teaches us that the population will only tolerate so much decadence from their leaders before they rebel. The general hatred of politicians amongst most right thinking people is merely the start. Whoever you vote for, make sure it's not the lib/lab/con alliance.
When the Govt says it will clamp down on immigration making rules more draconion can only apply to non EU / Commonwealth countries Chinese Japanese Philippinos etc are no problem but get hit harder and harder to pay for this waffle.tiara lincoln
Quite amazing the tory party allows no hope Camoron to continue to lead them.
When are the Tory M.P.s going to work up the courage to get rid of Cameron? The man is a disaster both as party leader and Prime Minister. He and his liberal cronies are making such a mess of this country that I think we would all be better off emigrating to Bulgaria and Rumania.
You have a choice who to vote for ....UKIP, or B.N.P, just go for it I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK
Of course he can't heal his self-inflicted wound. The man's a muppet! He has no sense, no survival instinct and worse still (for us) he doesn't have to live with his mistakes on the streets! VOTE UKIP.
right then back to reality ,can we have that referendum.
It's time for the British people to rise up ! We have had enough 10 years of the liar Blair, 3 of the incompetent Brown and now 3 years of the useless Cameron/Clegg. - the bobbler , Sheffield, 06/2/2013 09:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Eastleigh has the opportunity in the forthcoming by-election by returning a UKIP MP come 2015 the rest of the country can do the same.
Dreadful. All of their priorities the wrong way around.
With the majority of his party voting against the motion, I feel the major hawks of the party could now be lining up for his job. Leadership challenge on the horizon, BYE MR CAMERON!!!
Come on folks, rise up and throw of the shackles known as David Cameron, first there was Blair, then Brown, and now David Cameron, so if you want your country back, forget the three main parties and vote UKIP...!!!
we open our borders to as many as 70,000 annual arrivals from the EU¿s two poorest countries We should remember that the previous highest influx here , that of the 50,000 ' Huguenot refugees during the 15th century, often cited by multiculturalists as evidence that we can absorb thousands of immigrants, was over a whole century! They shared our Protestant faith,, much of our culture and most of them were highly skilled enough to support themselves and contribute well to the economies of where they settled! A rate of MILLIONS per century of mainly unskilledr Third World or Eastern European migrants sharing little of our culture and traditions, are clerarly unsustainable UNLESS the covert aim aim is to ethnically cleanse the original inhabitants as was the case in eg the Americas, Australia and New Zealand!,
When the Government of Argentina wanted to distract it's people from the parlous state of it's economy they invaded the Falkland Islands. Isn't there someplace Cameron could have ordered to be invaded instead of bringing up this homosexual marriage nonsense? At least this signals the beginning of his long awaited farewell tour.
Cameron is, politically, a dead man walking and he knows it. The total disregard to the nation and his party is so illogical that it can only be because he is acting under orders from a greater authority than our own democratic system. Heaven help us.
This reminds me of the saying, ¿When you are up to your neck in crocodiles, it is difficult to remember that the main reason for you being there was to drain the swamp.¿ Basically, PM you have lost it as you were elected to resolve important issues affecting us, not your personal hair brained schemes!
Labour MP's all voting for gay marriage doesn't go down well with us Muslim voters !
Jim New is obviously a liberal not many people voted Liberal at the last election and even they didn't put it in their parties manifesto, his arguments do stand up to a degree not everyone have Christian believes ,God did not deny them food drink and work there is the difference in his arguments and mine!
In a word, no. Yesterday One Term Dave lost the next election - if he's around long enough of course.
To stop a citizen of this country, a supposedly free and democratic state, doing something they want to do and enjoying that freedom is not liberty, The State should have a strong and compelling reasons to stop doing what they want. We are all allowed to drink alcohol, but we passed laws to stop children buying and drinking for compelling reasons. Disapproval or tolerant indifference by a majority is not sufficient reason to stop two people getting married. If two gay people want to marry, they do not need the blessing of a majority of their fellow citizens, it is incumbent on a majority of citizens to oppose that marriage and show good compelling reason why not, clearly that is not the case. Disapproval, indifference or a busy Government agenda, are not sufficient reasons to prevent a citizen or group of citizens, enjoying the same liberty that the rest of us enjoy. Liberty, justice and freedom are matters that are far more important and urgent than the economy.
David Cameron is untalented and he is only managing the reccession so we'll never get out of it.. He thinks he showing leadership by looking annoyed and aggressive.
He knows that his days are numbered. It is only left for him to secure his future income doing something within the EU . Just look at the money Blair has made. The conservatives have now turned inwards upon themselves. Ukip is now the way forward. (Cant trust the other rabble)
If your only argument is "There is no public clamour for it, with only seven per cent seeing it as a priority, all this at a moment when the NHS is in crisis, Britain¿s nuclear power industry has given up the struggle to compete in our own country, wars rage in Afghanistan and Mali", then what exactly are you saying? I mean, does anyone imagine a time in the future that this argument could not be used against gay marriage or virtually anything else? IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING THEN SAY SO, DON'T JUST HIDE BEHIND COWARDLY ARGUMENTS!
A lack of leadership causes the troops to rebel but it is difficult to know what to do when it is the leadership which has repeatedly stepped out of line.
I understand that Gay people are allowed to hold British Passports and Driving Licenses, they are allowed to work, to travel on buses and trains and eat and drink in pubs and eating establishments. How can this be?, when did they pass all these laws that allow gay people to do all these things?
It's time for the British people to rise up ! We have had enough 10 years of the liar Blair, 3 of the incompetent Brown and now 3 years of the useless Cameron/Clegg.
He's a dead man walking!
The only time MPs will listen to the electorate is when we have PR (proportional representation) We need to break up this two party nightmare; a vote for UKIP will help.
The Conservative party that I grew up with is finished. All those independently minded MP's who voted against homosexual marriage need to look in the mirror and decide if they want to be in the " New Conservatives " or join a party that puts the interests of the majority to the fore , and of course there is only one, UKIP !
Since I am a Conservative I believe that we need to get rid of Cameron as soon as possible
The adverse consequences of mass migration from Eastern Europe? No doubt supporters of the European Project consider it a price worth paying in order to achieve their aims: a European Superstate in which the U.K. will become a depressed province.
Message to Tory MPs - get rid of Cameron, or Tory voters will get rid of you.
No.
Blair, the Brown, now Cameron; the three worst Prime Ministers in living memory and, if Miliband ever got in, make that four! The electorate must fight back.
As less than 10% were in favour of gay marriage why did MPs vote against the wished of their constituents. They are supposed to represent us not vote for political reasons or ther own views.
What a choice facing the British Public? Dozy Dave, Dangerous Ed. or Dipstick Clegg? its enough to make anybody vote for UKIP.
Can Cameron heal his self-inflicted wound? Was this part of his manifesto? Has he let down the electorate with all his lies? I think we all know the answers to these questions!
"This was a sad day for the Conservative Party. For most of its history, it has been known as the most disciplined election winning machine in British politics...." - it's precisely the indiscipline shown by Right-wing Tories, egged on by their Right-wing friends on the Daily Mail, which will cost the party the next General Election. They've lost the habit of winning elections outright and that isn't going to improve. Cameron is far from perfect but he's the only leader the Tories have and they should back him instead of constantly undermining him.
Whatever else the "gay marriage bill" may be, it is NOT a vote loser for the Conservatives at a general election. Far more Labour suppporters are " anti-gay" than Conservative voters. And Labour voted for it!
Have the tory MPs had enough of CAMERON, have they now realised that they have whimp for a leader and that he needs to be replaced but not by CLEGG the CLOWN, the two of them should resign their posts with immediate effect. All this business of gay marriages being discussed in parliament is nothing more than a distraction from the REAL ISSUES, this government needs to give us the referendum that they know we are demanding not asking for otherwise the country will be stuffed.
Sad day or good political move from Cameron - we concentrated on HIM pushing this issue - but the vote has exposed that LABOUR are fully in support - I suspect labour will now have LOST thousands of votes, as for Cameron, he has little to lose, he isn't popular anyway and for him this will be a flash in the pan but labour's enthusiastic support will stick in the minds of lifetime labour supporters
So what of senior conservatives who followed their leader? Did they do this in the hope of preferment or simply as a matter of consience? Shortly their will be a contest for Tory leadership, it will be interesting to see how these top tories fare. Might have been a chance for Mrs May to act as a latter day Thatcher but not now.
I think this self inflicted wound will prove to be fatal to Cameron. The Conservatives need a new leader - someone who connects with ordinary people on the things that matter to them. My plea to Conservative MP's? - get on with replacing this fake tory and get in place a real leader while you still have time!
Cameron has shown all too well that his privileged background and Eton education is no substitute for leadership and statesmanship. He lacks both qualities and has proven to be an abject disaster. Historians will be brutal when he is assessed and commented upon in the future.
When you see Germany also having to suffer the fall -out from Brussels' dictat, then you just know Europe is on the skids when it continues to allow itself and it's achievemnets to be degraded on the altar of "equality and opportunity"! But will the German population be as meek and mild as the UK has been in letting it's own standards and expectations fall by the way-side by continuing to let in streams of people from all over Europe who don't share those hard-worked-for achievements? Wouldn't it be great if the UK and Germany together would join forces and stop all this degadation, rather than see Cameron offering obeisance to the Gay lobby here, whilst Merkel strokes Hollande's tummy over there? None of these people seem to give a fig about what their own populations want -but only what their elitist cliques want - and which rarely coincide! How long before the Germans make life tougher for Their unwanted guests -and then point them in the direction of Dover instead?
How many last nails is needed to see his coffin dispatched.
Only in Syria and China is the party more important than the country.
Cameron is a talentless rich bloke who has never had proper job and went into politics for something to do.
Cameron's actions will bring defeat at he next election. Perhaps the party needs to disintegrate in order to reconnect to its support and reform.
What will it take for the Tory party to realise that Cameron is/ has destroyed the party. Unless they act soon to get rid of him and his Bullingdon Boys they will be handing Labour the keys to No.10 for decades.
this public school prize buffoon could not heal a paper cut.
Since he became elected and until the next election we are to forget - student fees - the sell off of he NHS - a two tier pension with the oldest getting the least - and homosexuals getting married, I think not.
"This paper admires the vast numbers of hard-working eastern Europeans who have settled in Britain since their countries joined the EU in 2004. But now they, too, are voicing fears about the pressure on jobs, housing, living standards and public services .".......................Well that's a clunking piece of irony from the DM evidently afraid to say none of this wave of immigrants were/are bothered about the pressure and damage they caused/are causing to to every public service and ultimately the environment. Apparently it's definitely not OK when they are on the receiving end and likely to become jobless too.
Well the warnings are loud and clear from Germany as to what awaits Britain. Anyone who thinks it won't happen in Britain is a completely deluded fool. And the approach from this weak government so far, points to what will be a total betrayal of the people of Britain. This government will roll over and accept this tidal wave of immigrants and say we are powerless to stop them. Its a pity they don't address this issue with the same vigor as Gay Marriage
I suppose, when you are a person of independent financial means you can do things without worrying about your future. We should have taken warning that Cameron was not truly a conservative when he shocked everyone about his "hug a hoodie" stupidity! I thought that was just a minor set back-but in reality we elected the conservatives to save our country not give it away as they have done! The conservatives have lost the electorate-with this nonsense-get rid of him and bring back David Davis or vote UKIP or emigrate!
The admission of Romania and Bulgaria, and other impoverished countries into a pool of comparatively wealthy western European zones, was always going to be asking for trouble. Why, when Politicians are paid so much to PROTECT their citizens, have they failed so dismally, and worse, did not predict what would happen, unless there was a more sinister ulterior motive. And before we have the 'Freedom Of Movement' brigade spouting off about Human Rights, who the hell in western civilization would want a job in Romania or Bulgaria paying a £1 an hour?
This Country is heading for hell in a handcart the gloating sneering idiots can not ever be married for one reason alone - God forbids it and the conservatives are finished I just wish Labour was, as for the liberals, nothing much to say about them.i might be thick but I am most certinally not thick enough to accept homosexuals can ever be married. This will be challenged by homosexuals who want to get married in Church and what strife will that cause, frankly I am horrified.
The very thought that CaMoron, or any other deluded toad fronting the LIBLABCON tax-sapping machine could be elected again in 2015, is disturbing. We need a strong leader with a spine of steel similar to Thatcher, to sort this mess out, but I doubt one will come forward, as the gravy train would probably be de-railed.
I didnt understand Cameron's strategy. I thought he must have a brilliant plan. I see now that he is just incompetent
Not now, he`s serially "hacked off" the grass-roots in his short term as " leader(I use the word "leader" loosely of course). UKIP will do that for him.Dead man walking .Bet Liarbour are loving every minute.
This whole gay marriage bill is a mess. It enshrines inequality in law, actually preventing same sex marriages in only some churches, so adding two extra lines of inequality and opening other churches up to the inevitable lawsuits and could well lead to the disestablishment of the church. And it just sets us up for another battle in 5 years to remove that discrimination. This could have been done with no fuss by taking the state out of the business of marriage completely, have civil partnerships for all, and let the churches decide who should be married or not. But then that would not have allowed Cameron to declare that he was the great moderniser. Almost the whole cabinet voted for this, but 70% of backbenchers voted against it, which explains why the decisions being made at cabinet level are all a mess - the cabinet needs to better represent the views of the party, at the moment it only represents the left of the party which is going to result in a split or leadership challenge.
"One unfathomable mystery remains: why, with so many more important matters to occupy him, has the Prime Minister staked so much on a fringe issue that he knew would cause deep distress to many of his most loyal followers?" Cameron has chosen this option because he can bring this to the fore and keep people focused here on this 'non-issue' rather than on the real issues, which are in reality all joined; immergration, the economy, walfare, employment and austerity. These are all areas of grave concern because they are all in disarray and were the direct result of the EU. The EU allows and encourages the migration of poor eastern Europeans to the richer western countries, resulting in areas being saturated with ethnic change (read getto) acceptance of low wage work - imaginary employment (sell a couple of Big Issue papers) and presto: welfare! Welfare dependency is increase across all groups including indigenous peoples. Schools, hospitals, housings demands spiral raising welfare!
Camerons gay marriage policy has been a massive con-trick, if you think it was part of some plan to 'modernise Britain' think again............an EU report due to be voted through the EU Parliament in November would allow all marriages and civil contracts conducted in any EU member state to become legally binding. That is why Cameron rushed through gay marriage because by November he would have no choice and a vote in Westminster would have been utterly meaningless, this was a pathetic attempt to divert our attention away from his masters in Brussels.
Absolutely absurd! I dread to think where this country will be in 40 years. Think about how the moral fibre has unravelled in the lat 40 years with the liberal bandwagon trying to ensure people have the right to do whatever they want. Well no sorry! I for one want people to only be allowed to do what the majority believe is moral. It's about time we stopped pandering to everyone. Life is tough for us all and we all occasionally have to change to abide by the rules and so should those who don't agree with the car majority!
Why isn't this government sorting out immigration? 2014 is going to open the barriers to thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians and it concentrates on gay marriage. David Cameron, the exit of members from your party will turn into a flood.
Poll after poll shows a majority in favour of gay marriage. I look forward to seeing articles about gay celebrities marrying in the Daily Mail in the near future.
UKIP may be right. A forthcoming EU directive requiring marriage in one country to be recognised in all may be the explanation for Cameron's peculiar enthusiasm for changing this ancient institution. Some European countries recognise marriages between men. One hopes the media will probe into this and tell us. If so it's yet another case of the EU's wishes being foisted on us. Time to leave!
Irrespective of the numbers of French people - or other Continentals - living here, the U.K. should be seriously contemplating leaving the E.U. And, I might add, so ought France to be thinking about doing so, too!
Britain should welcome with open arms all hard working, educated and ambitious people from other lands - not the people looking for hand outs - because it will help to re-vitalize our economy and create new wealth. It also masks and nullifies the total disaster that we have made of our own education system and the sad state of much of our youth.
has the british sence of its place in the world shrunk so low that we get a kick out of telling ourselves that we are top of the 'Migrants wanting to live here' league (I am not talking about the French, because lets face it, France is a much better country). Migrants dont come to England because of the 'finer things in life'. They have very little money. They come here because many have a grasp of the language and many can find a job working in low income jobs like McDonalds and hotels etc. Basically, we British have issues with ourselves in the modern world. Sorry to the good people in the world for reading this drivel!
Ridiculous article. Here in Clapham we have a significant French community, French speaking nurseries and primary schools and the odd cafe. What's not to like? Isn't the Dordogne busting with Brits? Can't believe Doughty hasn't bothered to learn a word of French - is this man educated or not?.
London will see more and more French people coming to work in the following decade. Why ? May be because of the crisis but like the whole Europe but for another reason. France has the first natality rate in Western Europe may be with Ireland. In 15 years France will have 15 million born French whereas it will be the opposite for Germany mainly and the UK. Was the same during the French revolution in 1789 when France was surrended by all monarchies and won Valmy. Natality is an asset to pay pensions and sign of hope for the country.
French is hardly an obscure language.
Whist it is a popular pastime to knock the old enemy the French, the one thing that they do well is education. Their system is light years ahead of the UK and the only thing that holds the country back is the socialist doctrine that is bred into them from the left and far left elite..This is why they are leaving their homeland, for less regulation , less tax and more chance for a job.
"We know all about the impact of Polish immigration, which brought perhaps a million efficient, cheap, and, overwhelmingly, polite workers to this country. There is growing evidence that the arrival of the Eastern Europeans drove down wage rates for British craftsmen and unskilled workers, impoverished many working families, and drove some towards a life on benefits." Those "efficient, cheap" Poles also meant that I as a consumer got a good job done at a lower price than the British workers. And why did it not drive those workers to up their skills and not depend on benefits? Competition is harsh, there are winners and losers in the short run, but we have all benefited in the long run.
We now discover, from the European Union statistical service Eurostat, that more Europeans are moving to Britain to make their lives than to France. My heavens, please pick me up off the floor, i'm in complete and utter shock. After all these years someone has actually noticed, please get me a chair and a glass of water.
What a scandal that the UK's education system (applies to England only) has failed to produce enough home grown talent to take these jobs. And what a shame the English allow the UK to fail us so comprehensively. If we want a better future for England we need an English parliament that works in the English interest. As a bonus we'll also get England mentioned when it comes to immigration to the 'UK' and a sane English population policy.
EU Referendum anyone ?
In the surreal world our country has become,our Politicians obviously believe England is ten times the size it is, we have been turned into a Multicultural cesspit for the whole world ,our politicians always float to the top ,but in the end they will drop to the bottom?.
Usual bias. British people making parts of Italy Chiantishire or the Dordogne almost English speaking is a Good Thing but French people moving here is Bad and obviously should be stopped. You can't have both.
For any French people unfortunate enough to read this article, please don't take it too seriously, the Mail has decided its a Franco-Baiter, especially since Hollande came in. Some of us in the UK have common sense and don't assume every French person is a little De Gaulle, no-one ever assumes we're all little Churchill's.
The mass influx for the Olympics could well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
What a silly piece. When I am in London I meet lots of French people and they have got to be among the most desireable immigrants of all. The idea that there are hundreds of thousands of French people in Britain as cause for Britain leaving the EU is, simply, bonkers. Why must The Daily Mail continue to fight ancient combats? French people are overwhelmingly pro-British and judging from the number of British licence plates I see here every day, the admiration is mutual.
Who cares about the millions of Africans and Asians flooding in every year, focus on the French.
Staff jabbering in their own obscure language ? What an absurdly insular article. True there are problems with mass immigration, but no need to use ridiculous language to describe the French. I would rather have hundreds of thousands of hard working 20 - 30 something French people living and paying taxes in London than the same number of lazy Brits claiming benefits.
Christine...dont be fooled, most soldiers I have met as an army wife are very aware of the futility of their presence in Afghanistan and will tell you that their main task over there is keeping themselves alive. Most are just doing their jobs, its what keeps their families housed and fed, pure and simple. What makes me very angry is this American policy of appeasing the Taliban - why is this enforced upon BRITISH troops? My husband is in Helmand and is in charge of some heavy artillery. But, because of this softly-softly approach, most of the time he is firing smoke rounds so as not to further antagonise the Taliban!!! The above article is a very honest, blunt and well written piece of journalism. Well done Suzanne Moore.
In my mind whether the war is deemed 'legal' or not that does not change the fact that we are out there so we need to help stop the lads and lass's dying by making sure they have the materials they need to keep safe whether we pull out or not is for the politicians to decide and is unfortunately still a long way away i just wish the troops could feel safer in the job they have decided to do. Personally i think this war is starting to become un-winnable without a clear enemy and the abilty to determine who is friend or foe (after all Afghan police trainees are turning on their mentors). The immediate issue is the morale and safety of our troops.
Many of the young men who join the Army today are just looking for a job, they are not there because of a deep desire to fight or serve their country. Tony Blair's wonderful Britain left them without a choice, his policy of "education, education, education" never materialised, leaving many young people today with little alternative, and the decent ones joined the Armed Forces rather than lay around at home all day on the dole. The price of their training for a career is putting their lives on the line. Our finest boys.... those that chose to do SOMETHING rather than lie in bed and let Mummy and Daddy fund them... are playing russian roulette with their lives out there. Its all a political game... keep the level of education and job opportunities low in order to provide the armed forces with enough recruits.... Tony Blair's sons should be next in line at the recruitment office and fast tracked to Afghanistan.... let him suffer the anguish of HIS policies.
Absolutely! Load them up at 6am tomorrow morning & leave these despot places to their oen devices. If anything moves in the area which may be a threat when they are leaving blast it away without warning....Places like Afghanistan are a lost cause & should be left to their own devices because they obviously do not want to be dragged into the 10th century BC let alone the 21st AD....
At the sounding of the last post we should honour them, but honour them for what? soldiers should be fighting in a war when our Country is attacked, most of the soldiers have been brainwashed into fighting this war in a barabaric Country which we have NO right to be in. Your just fodder boys just fodder in rich mens wars!
"the young men in combat" - let's not forget the YOUNG WOMEN who are also serving bravely in Afghanistan, also the members of the TA and other reservists.
In a real world bringing them home may be an option that the wrold can't deal with. However what we can do and is long overdue; get the politicians noses out of the trough and allow the military to their job with proper political and material backup. Thye UK military still outclasses any in the world unfortunately our politicians are 3rd rate and hinder the forces good work.
The sooner they come home the better these young men are throwing there precious lives away for nothing.Why don't these people who believe in this illegal war get over there and see what it is really like. We didn't want to be invaded by Hitler so how do you think these people feel in there own land.All these soldiers should go AWOL remember the prisons are full.
Two more coming home soon in a coffin.................Holland has pulled its troops as are other Countrie, our troops are fodder in a rich mans World!
She is not saying that and well you know it. She is saying all our young men dying wont make any difference because they will still do it. Are you saying that we should send our men to be killed anyway?. How about you going out there and see how you feel about it then. It's all very well to approve when you and yours wont be there. - pat, UK not EU, 01/8/2010 23:37 I've done my bit Pat, as did my father and both brothers - what about you and yours? And while we're on the subject, what is your attitude to the people of Afghanistan? Do you give a damn or not? A simple yes or no will do - the answer will speak volumes! I'm fed up with all those commenting on whether we should be in Afghanistan or not - especially as most of them are of the 'we won the war' types who believe it was a just cause to fight against Hitler's Germany - stop and think for a moment - and then tell me what the difference is? We could have made peace with the Nazi's too - and let Europe sink!
@ ronnie cynical: maybe you're not aware of the fact that the taliban banned opium production in afghanistan and it was only after a few months that the attack took place, and for more facts on 9/11 visit abz2000 do tc om/news, and that forbidding women f
Bring them home!!!
You are once again encouraging terrorists to kill British soldiers. If we are driven out of Afghanistan,are you thick enough to think it will stop there.?This movement we are fighting against wants to subdugate the Western world. So as to impose their beliefs on ALL of mankind. We were indeed fortunate that your generation of losers were not born in 1939 or you would have been speaking German. That is the few that were allowed to live.You pathetic under achievers will never win.Shame is you live so well on the backs of those who TRY.
Yet these are prime examples of your attitude which is basically - their suffering is of no concern to us! Where is the 'Honour' in that? - Ronnie, Cynical, UK, 01 She is not saying that and well you know it. She is saying all our young men dying wont make any difference because they will still do it. Are you saying that we should send our men to be killed anyway?. How about you going out there and see how you feel about it then.It's all very well to approve when you and yours wont be there.
Lads you're wanted Shiver in the morning dew More poor devils like yourselves Waiting to be killed by you E A MacKintosh 1917
And finally Suzanne, let's just say that you have your way and we pull our troops out of Afghanistan this year. What do you think the Taliban, and Osama bin Laden's Al Qaida, and all the other terror groups and cells around the world are going to do? Do you think that they will realise that we're no longer interested in continuing the 'fight'? Do you think that, like the Vietnamese (the comparison to Vietnam has after all been drawn in another DM article), they will come to the conference table and all 'differences' will be resolved through dialogue and discussion and that they will end their attacks? I think not! I rather suspect that should we show that we do not have the stomach for the long haul, we will soon find that their ‘War against the West’ will take on a whole new ‘quality’ of violence and viciousness and when the dead and maimed start piling up in Britain and elsewhere, will you hold up your hand and accept responsibility - or don't you think that far?
Yes Honour our dead and bering our forces home from afghanistan.It ois only the gutless politicians that keep ouir forces there. The present government's record is not very good. many of the tories supported the Iraq war when many of us knew it was wrong. Politicians only heed the public at election time when they are looking for your vote. A pity a few of them could not die in Afghanistan. The only one I trust is one that is six feet under
"we are no longer a vast imperial power but a small island with limited resources. " Of course, we may not be the super power, that's what allies are for, especially if we want to get rid of our nuclear deterrents. Remember lessons of history. Allies may come and go, just as new enemies will replace old ones, so having enough power should be in place at all times, those are the lessons of the past. Do not forget still today in Germany we have people denying the holocaust and German labour camps all over Europe. Do not forget the past and do not trust old and new enemies. Especially because we are such a small country! Since we've gone to this war that is illegitimate, we should first consider putting people like Blair to trial instead of politely asking questions. What are we waiting for? Next we should stop exploiting poor developing countries, the first and main reason why terrorists come to our countries to bomb them and kill innocent people.
we should never be there in the first place. how many off our brave lad,s. have to be killed the past goverment off our,s. have a lot off blood on their hand,s. starting with BLAIR.
Is Iraq better after that second invasion? Do the people have a better life now? I say may God forgive us for what we have done there, particularly that second time round. As for Afghanistan, I doubt anyone knows the true reason we are fighting in there. I doubt even any of our forces know. Colin Mair's wise words speaks for us all. I feel deeply for those soldiers with dreadful injuries and for those that have lost loved ones. I look at my Grandchildren and realise that the families of those that have been left at home, will also have lost the nest generation along with the loss of their Soldier, Air-force or Navy son or daughter. May God forgive those that sent them to that war but may they never know peace of mind as long as they live, especially those that are not prepared to fund fully what our forces and our Country REALLY needs for its Defence of the Realm.
I don't think calling our soldiers 'invaders' will help their morale. We all know the Pakistanis would like a hardline Islamic Gov't in Afghanistan to act as a bulwark against India, which in their eyes is the true battleground in the region. A hardline Islamic Gov't would be disasterous for the Afghani peoples , especially women, children and liberal minded citizens. It would also see a resurgence of al-Queda in the region which would then be free to plot against the West and give it a springboard for fresh atrocities against us. The British troops are doing important work in helping the Afghan Gov't retain power against the insurgency, despite cowardly enemies at home here such as yourselves plotting against them,and it is in all our interests to support them with both words and deeds. Using the casualties as a justification for pulling out does not honour the dead . It does the opposite. It dishonours them. Seeing the job through would honour them.
"Let's honour the war dead - by running away" I fixed the headline for you.
And finally Suzanne, let's just say that you have your way and we pull our troops out of Afghanistan this year. What do you think the Taliban, and Osama bin Laden's Al Qaida, and all the other terror groups and cells around the world are going to do? Do you think that they will realise that we're no longer interested in continuing the 'fight'? Do you think that, like the Vietnamese (the comparison to Vietnam has after all been drawn in another DM article), they will come to the conference table and all 'differences' will be resolved through dialogue and discussion and that they will end their attacks? I think not! I rather suspect that should we show that we do not have the stomach for the long haul, we will soon find that their ‘War against the West’ will take on a whole new ‘quality’ of violence and viciousness and when the dead and maimed start piling up in Britain and elsewhere, will you hold up your hand and accept responsibility - or don't you think that far?
A very thought provoking and moving piece Ms Moore and the tide is turning. It really is time to bring these brave men and women of our armed services home. My only fear is what will happen to the Afghans especially the women we leave behind, will they return to a brutal life in the 11th century but then again what have we shown them of the 21st...
Yes, Suzanne, there IS nothing worse than being the mother of a 19 year old about to deploy to Afghanistan. I know because I am such a mother.
As to you comment: "Did we actually need the former head of MI5 to tell us our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan radicalised a generation of young Muslims?" I think you're getting your 'chicken and egg' mixed up! There were certainly an awful lot of radicalised young Muslims around BEFORE we ever got involved in Iraq and Afghanistan! The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the rape, murder and plundering - not to mention the burning of the oil wells always seem to be forgotten as the reason we got involved in Iraq in the first place! So too do terror attacks which took place around the world in Bali, Madrid, the US Embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Nairobi and Tanzania, 9/11, London the list goes on - all carried out by Al Qaida or other terrorist cells! Not to mention the attacks against Israel and the potential threat of Iran's nuclear weapons! You don't need to look far - and they don't need much of a reason - to become a 'generation of radicalised young Muslims'!
Amazing isn't it? Every Afghani child badly injured in the fighting - regardless of who 'pulled the trigger' - is given special medical treatment, either in-country, or flown back to the UK (or elsewhere - all the coalition countries are doing it) to see specialists and receive treatment - and all kept very much in the public eye - and we all go "Aah" because it shows just how 'caring and concerned' we can be - for the individual! And yet here in your article you simply cast away any concern for the Afghani people as a whole! You say: "The Taliban (will) continue to slice off the noses and ears of women who dare to read a book"! and: "As always, the Afghan people will continue to be treated savagely by the ruling elite, be they warlords or elected officials." - And if we leave now we all know this to be true! Yet these are prime examples of your attitude which is basically - their suffering is of no concern to us! Where is the ‘Honour’ in that?
Everyone I know and talk to, even the die hard socialists of my aquaintance know we cannot win the Afgan War. Why is there not an honest politician prepared to snub America and come out and say he is prepared to bring our soldiers back and let the Taliban get on with it, because if we leave now or in 100 years, they will still be there to take over.
"Not only do they feel guilty they have survived while their friends have not," Absolutely true. Troops Home NOW.
We need to withdraw and pay reparations to the Afghans for our war crimes.
I am in Vietnam and have travelled south to north.. and I couldn't disagree more with Colin Mair's comments. Vietnam may have a few 'propaganda' museum stands of how they beat the Americans.. but they have moved on and moved on a lot quicker than Mair gives the Vietnamese credit. The age range up and down the country is what I would term normal and they are people friendly. And America did not invade! While I am here - there is no war to win in Afghanistan.. we are there trying to normalise a trouble country (admittedly not very well!). But I do agree with Mair that we are destablising Pakistan as a result (not that they needed much goading).
(1) " The politicians who try to justify these losses are despicable. This war was lost long ago." (2) " I was going to write about Nick Griffin but, you know what, letÂ’s not give that pathetic man any more attention again. Ever." I am sure Nick Griffin has been advocating the withdrawal of British Troops from Afghanistan , for a Very Long Time. So perhaps Suzanne, maybe you could just give him just a little bit more attention, surely that's only being fair and honest on this subject. eh !
Sadly there is no political will in this country to admit that we stand no chance of 'winning' the war in Afghanistan. What we have actually done is increase the threat to the UK and destabilise Pakistan. History, sadly, will judge this generation and I suspect will have some damning things to say about our involvement. I have spent some time in Vietnam and they took a while to recover from the USA invasion. I asked why the nation is so young and was told, "The Americans killed everybody". It was only after the USA was forced out that, after time, stability returned to this nation. Like it or not, this is what has to happen to Afghanistan, when perhaps we can use diplomatic and economic carrots to eventually normalise relations, but this will take a long time. I know if an army invaded my country and killed my children I would never forgive, so we have to wait a generation before we can expect dialogue in the region after our armed forces leave.
Let the EU pay the bill, it's their idea after all.
If they are guilty of a crime don't let them back into the UK. It works for the US. If you have a record or criminal conviction you don't get into the states at all. IF you have a record outside of the UK you should be barred from entering full stop.
Oh the good old EU. What an institution. My home town in the north east is overflowing with eastern europeans. My wifes home town on the south coast is awash with eastern europeans. The children of friends of mine cannot get work, especially in the industrial areas and factories. But by paying peanuts, these companies are not getting monkeys. They are getting people who would normally have had to work over 24 hour shifts to earn the same amount in their own countries. Some are highly skilled professionals like doctors and lawyers but get better pay and conditions than in their own countries. The companies save a fortune. If these companies were made to pay extra tax for each immigrant they employed, they would soon change their attitude. Greed has taken over from patriotism now and this is why the UK is dying at the hands of the EU. Before the calls of hypocracy come in, I work in Germany for a UK company and pay UK taxes, I have not taken a German's livelyhood away.
Easy to get a passport on false name in Easern Europe. Whoever decided to allow them free entry in EU should be hanged. - Steven, Surrey, 10/4/2012 11:14 It takes up to 60 days to get a passport in Poland. No they do not send it to you, you collect it in person and pay a lot more for the priveledge. Get your facts right Steven
i am very happy that the poles want all their criminals back.we need to toughen up and prevent them from returning!
sounds about right for this country when its run by idiots you get idiotic results
Oh for crying out loud, is anybody else as sick of this farce as I am? Shut the borders once and for all and deport every Eastern European in this country asap. They are taking the mickey out of us, they only come for the benefits, that's all. One or two we could cope with, but not the amount that are coming over and using us as a cash cow. Do that to every nationality we have freeloading off the taxpayers and our unemployment, deficit, bloated welfare bill and strain on our infrastructure would all disappear in a few months, and if the EU doesn't like it then tell them to take a running jump as we are footing the bill, not them!
Do it the French way CLOSE THE BORDERS. Open borders was a mistake in the first place but the brains of the outfit wouldn't be told i.e. 13,000 Poles, we are now upto 1,000,000 and counting. Small wonder Poland is laughing all the way to the bank THE BRAINS OF THE OUTFIT APPEAR TO BE BLIND.
I am outraged that they are not flown RyanAir.
There is always a solution. Get rid of the three main parties and then get out of the EU via the UKIP.....Simple and I am not an MP or a traitor.
So it costs nothing to fly them back but there are court costs. Any news on how much court costs are in foreign countries for drunken brits being jailed? - Bob, I'm not there, 10/4/2012 8:54 Well Bib, I can tell you that foreign courts spend little or nothing on UK accused were they are imprisoned without a defense, solicitor, interpreter or basic care sometimes, so that busts your argument. We on the other hand employ our vastly ballooned legal system to give them ever assistance, interpreters etc.
As a victim I can say hand on heart that these Eastern European thieves work longer hours, and put far more effort in robbing than our own lazy bandits. I blame the benefits system there was time we could produce our own thieves..
If someone turns up at the border gate illegally and without authority, all that need happen is that they're cordoned off and held until a flight is ready to take them back. Why should the legal services be involved if those people are here illegally? There's nothing to question, no proper documents no entry. If they want to seek asylum or emigrate here they do it by the proper channels. End Of!
Why are they allowed into this country in the first place - we should get out of the EU asap. In the meantime all costs of deporting this scum should be charged to Poland
Blair's chickens coming home to roost.......And while he swans around the world raking in millions it's us the taxpayer who foots the bill for his ego.
Maybe the checking the incomming immigrants will be more cheaper then later on find out that some1 is "WANTED" in some other country specially the country they comming from. I would say POOR INFO on the immigration side.
Set up courts in the Polish embassy for all those who are to be tried for lesser crimes, stealing chickings etc which would attract a fine, those of a more serious offence can be deported back to Poland as is being done now and not allowed to re-enter the UK again, that way at least it could save our tax money being spent on administration.
Take the money out of Blair's account, he was the one who opened the doors to let them in, remember he was the one who welcomed them with open arms, so let him pay for his own mistakes.
Brings a new meaning to the phrase cattle class...!
The UK is the easiest touch in the whole wide world. When are we going to find someone who puts a stop to all this, not just talking about it. Frankly I am pig sick of contributing from all and sundry that wants to sponge off of us. Tax tax tax, a socialist word jumped on by this so called Tory Government.
how come if your in england your face can be plasterd over every media coverage going from cowboy builders to police patrol allso newspapers .but when your a have a conviction and its been proven you are allowed to have your face blanked out .is this so when they do come back we can get robbed and ripped of again and we cant give a discription
Come oon cameron, be tough, or are you a bottler.
First DM complains about foreign criminals coming to the UK, and now complains when one country, Poland, does something about it. These flights are 'secret', are they? Not any more they're not. Dubbed 'Con Air', are they? By whom? DM? The article states that "prisoners are led across a runway". Well, that's very dangerous. Perhaps they should be led across the airfield apron instead.
Until the chinless wonder of a prime minister grants us the referendum of in/out of this EU mess , the answer must be to stamp UNWELCOME IN THE UK on their passports as we get rid of them as shown in this article . We cannot deport them to another EU nation , so if they should return they would be persona non grata and not be issued with national insurance numbers , benefits etc. and if they gain employment , they would be classed as alien workers outside the EU and if sourced again face a criminal charge of illegal entry .
And the only worry was rabies when the channel tunnel opened! What a joke! Get rid of any scum with a criminal record. Deport them and get the border controls to do their jobs and not let them back in.
The £50m should be spent on more Border Staff, it make sense and then they can't return. Simples
The irony of flying them out of Biggin Hill! An iconic base in the Battle of Britain, a battle in which 145 Polish airmen fought on our side. Some of them are probably ancestors of these criminals - I bet they'd be so proud of them.
That is a Polish Airforce CASA C-295. Not even a RAF plane. They are nice enough to send their own plane to take their own trash away, so why should it cost £50m the UK £50m to put someone on a plane operated by the Polish government???
What does it have to do with EU?UK has its own border force,control the immigrants as you please yourselves.There is no any EU law which makes britain to let criminals in.The Home Office does! - sven, rotterdam,the netherlands, 10/4/2012 09:45 - On one hand I disagree with you. This didn't happen before the EU, we all had total control over our borders, we certainly don't now. I used to work for the Border Agency, I know the processes involved and where the EU is concerned we're no longer residents of individual countries - we're European citizens and free to roam. On the other hand I'd say it's actually more to do with abuse of the Human Rights Act. How often do we hear 'but if you send me home I can't live the life I want therefore you're infringing my Human Rights'? If I committed a criminal offence in another country I would fully expect to never be allowed there again, but the Human 'Rights' Act combined with EU legislation allows this to happen.
So they are only sending an average of (986/65) just over 15 per flight, but yet some weeks they need two flights, and there are allegedly times when more than 50 are waiting to be sent back. So, how many flights are being sent with only a couple of people on? Still, at least it looks comfier than what I've heard about Ryanair.
I work in a call centre for a mail order company, and had to phone a Polish (but living in England) customer last night. She was unable to confirm basic DPA, so I told her we would need to see proof of her ID and date of birth, so a copy of her passport would be fine. She told me she didn't have one-so I asked her how she had got into the country without one. She replied she had an identity card from Poland that she was using as her proof of ID. How the hell did she get into the UK without a passport? Obviously illegally. Its just a shame that I couldn't report her to the authorities, but I would have been breaching her confidentiality. I bet there are thousands more like her.
Absolutely hilarious! What a complete joke Britain is...
Now, just to be clear, are they coming or going.?
Some of u brits are such xenophobes- no Eastern Europeans in the UK eh? Why? Was it our fault that u destroyed our countries in WWII into poverty by signing off thanks to Churchills deal to CCCP and by doing that u only didnt guarantee to make us poor and starve but u are also responsible for Siberian mass deporatations. With the history that british have, going around the world taking,taking ,taking and becoming wealthy on it (not anymore because these days these countries are in charge of their own)- I would be quiet, u have thieved, occupied and killed ur way throughout the history. Dont forget your history before u start saying who can be where, I am sure native americans thought british should not be there either, or indians, or chinese, or ..shall I continue? - .., UK, 10/4/2012 5:4................................. Don't talk pap!!. Any law abidding person from anywhere are welcome. Just as any law abidding Brits are "tolerated" anywhere
Surely this should be paid for by the EU as they insist we let them in in the first place. The increase in crime from this region was obvious to all but the clueless idiots in charge. Our borders should be closed to eastern Europe until the problem is resolved & those in authority have the means to vigorously check each and every applicant. Sadly this is another example of the few spoiling it for the masses, as I fully accept that not everyone from eastern Europe is a criminal. Infact quite the opposite many are decent hard working folk, trying to better themselves. The government need to realise that the people have had enough of continually footing the bill! It's height time we had our referendum on Britain's EU membership, the day of reckoning has to happen!
Why is our legal system so costly|? Easy, It's being milked by avaricious Legal reps and giing these deportees thousands of punds each just to spend on getting back here.
So processing 980 criminals cost the British taxpayer £50million? £50k per criminal? You must be kidding. British justice system is ridiculously expensive. And you know what will happen if the Polish taxpayer decides not to pay for the deportations anymore? You will only get more of those criminals because you will have created a safe heaven for them in the UK.
If the Figures are correct it equates to only an average of 16 people per flight ? Where does the 50 million pound figure come from?
Must be nice to have two countrys call home.
if that's the cost of getting rid of scum, them it's money well spent. It's just a Sad sorry shame that these crim's aren't caught at the boarder getting back in. (Cut backs of Boarder control?........ Money not well saved)
Get out of the EU and close the borders, end of story. Our gutless, spineless wimps of government.
"And many of those extradited are back in the UK within three days of being dealt with by a court". And our Border Force does what to stop them re-entering UK ?.
Please remember that those planes arent arriving empty. Its 2 way traffic.
As a Pole I fully agree Poland should cover all the costs, especially if numbers are getting out of proportions. Writing a good law is difficult and as a consolation, I'd point out that £50m spent on getting rid of those criminals probably makes economic sense anyway, as they might do more damage if they stayed in the UK. Some of the rasist comments above are pretty naive though.
Another Blair/Brown legacy. And the party who made this happen are 10 points ahead in the opinion polls! UKIP Now!
Why dont we just ask the Polish officials to pay for this. Tell them they must pay and "there is no other way"
The first casualty of the EU always seems to be the truth ... This is a defacto abuse of the idea behind the European Arrest Warrants: this was created for SERIOUS crimes such as human smugglers and terrorist, it now has become an overall reaching international warrant for people who do anything wrong (including blasphemy - go figure) so saying that nothing can be done is again pure BS !! The EU is increasing its grip and does not care, that would be closer to the truth ...
Part of my work involved repatriation of Afghan illegals flying to Baku. 2 Brit security men per illegal. The flights are NOT allowed to leave early- to allow them every chance for last minute appeals, which happens most flights. I thought they'd be dragged kicking and screaming on board- they were all joking and laughing. It was a case of 'last one back in the UK is a cissy!' Oh, and I believe they were all given £3000 as a gift from the taxpayer 'to set themselves up back home'. It felt like a massive waste of time. ANY airline flying to the UK should have as part of its licence to do so that it must repatriate its own citizens immediately free of charge if they are denied entry to this country. They can then attempt to recover the charge themselves. If Polish airlines were required to cover the charge of repatriation, then I think Poland would make sure the need for charge disappeared.
chuck them in the back of an empty lorry bound for france to pick up goods and kick em out there.. this way the journey cost is economically viable and we've done our part.. if they're back here in 3 days anyway at least it hasnt cost anything!!! Children of Men now anyone?
DM why have you blacked out their faces? If they have been found guilty of a crime then surely theres no barrier to revealing their identities?
It's not trivial and we don't want criminals here. We have enough of our own, both inherited and shipped in. Good for Poland, asking for their crims back. Now how about we start on the rest who aren't by British birth...
It's not all "hard working plumbers" bringing enormous benefit to our country then, who'd have ever thought that we'd be bogged down with scroungers and criminals? Certainly not our idiotic politicians, but then they're unaffected by their own stupidity.
I agree they should not be here, they raise two questions; 1. How do they get in so easy. 2. Why is our legal system so expensive. Suggest if these two problems are sorted our taxes will be spent more wisely.
Hmm!
let the poles pay for it and take these peoples passports away.
What does it have to do with EU?UK has its own border force,control the immigrants as you please yourselves.There is no any EU law which makes britain to let criminals in.The Home Office does!
Can we start doing this with all the rest of the parasites and criminals who view us as an easy free ride and the dustbin of europe. Take there passports to stop them coming back its relatively simple stuff! Whilst there filling these aircraft can we pop hook hand and his vile group on too
What is the point of the likes of the DM keep reporting all the bad things about the eu when they fail to report UKIP making a stand against it, it's about time UKIP had more coverage so that at least people can make up their minds, instead of being drip fed horror stories but come the election it will be back to supporting the liblabcon, who between them have done the least possible for Joe Public.
ukip is the answer.
This country really is the laughing stock of the world.
would it not be prudent to take their passports off them so they can`t return i would of thought that was a no brainer?
And why do they come back immediately/ Because our useless Border Control officers let them in the first time,and then again the second time......plus Theresa May knows little about such things. Our Border Control officers should be trained like the Australian ones.....nobody gets past them!
- .., uk, 10/4/2012 9:08 How would you like it if millions of Brits suddenly turned up on your shores? How come other countries are achieving success without exporting all their people overseas? Look at the success that Brazil is making of it's country as
Time for a revolution like America had. We need to oust the EU government that controls us but lets us have no say.
Back here in three days? But they have to show a passports which should flag up their deported status on the passport database and they should then be refused entry. So why is this not happening?
Fine with me worth it to get rid of them!
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'...The Poles want all their offenders tracked down no matter what.Â’ Dear me, where's the human rights industry on this one; tracking down criminals no matter what? Shocking stuff! Is this allowed in Britain, the well-known holiday resort for a broad selection of the world's refugees from justice and assorted deadbeats fleeing their own countries? Apart from that, Britain seems to be the destination of choice for various foreign criminals from Albania and Romania because of the easy pickings and soft line on dealing with them when caught. France, as usual, sorted the latter by throwing the undesirables out and the Polish attitude is a welcome change; all we get is the usual 'talk the talk' stuff and yapping about human rights.
More of the social and financial drain put on our Country by the EU.
Thanks for nothing, European Union.
Any Foreign Criminals or people that dont have work in the UK (then turn to Crime to afford to live) should Not be in the UK. The only reason they are is we have a Weak Government Mr Cameron & Co who let them in. Its NO good blaming the EU Human Rights or Mickey Mouse.
I take it thats not the clever ones then !!!!!!!!!!.They shouldnt be here in the first place BORDERCONTROLS, BORDER CONTROLS, BORDER CONTROLS.Sunk in yet you totally incompetant people past and present Government and by all these criminals you do no favours to integration or hard working decent immigrants
Send them to Strasburgh and see how they like it ! Immigration has totally destroyed Italy, and now UK too. Mr.Blair is responsible !
Hope they lose the right to return! They should have their passports stamped denying them uk entry
Eastern europe should never have been allowed in the eu.
Let's face it! The east european governments and the east european people still living in their countries are happy with the situation. Less crime in their countries and loads of money (mostly dodgy) coming their way. Introducing fingerprinting and stop benefits is the only answer.
@Sheona, Cheshire, 8:43, Undesirable stamp......................................Easy to get a passport on false name in Easern Europe. Whoever decided to allow them free entry in EU should be hanged.
just shows you how many liars and cheats that there are in Poland no wonder over here for our services..........about time the boarders are manned and keep them out...too many claiming benifits and nhs etc etc. should never be allowed over here. we do not want them or other eu members in our land to plead poverty....make them work clean up the forest or stick them on a big island with no chance of getting out or off for 3/4 days the EU has cost us plenty and should never have let the doors wide open. tell me what is UKIP going to say and do with these big liars. these peoples drink too much offensive to the ENGLISH let alone the police. should be tagged with an alarm aned kept in their own land.
This is the cost of allowing your country to become Europes dustbin.
why are they all wearing those strange shades?
Ryanair could provide this service at a competitive rate using its existing fleet.
This story is of little interest to me! They will be able to come back quite easily, they're EU citizens. It's difficult to tell who they're until they speak. It's very easy to tell if non-europeans re-enter the country. Get my drift!!!
I suppose we pay their flight there and back ie a return flight as remember folks our Country fought a war for them and now they bleed us dry! the whole of the Eastern block of Europe are criminals just look at Romanian card thieves.
The tax avoided by Vodafone, could pay for this scheme for at least 20 years.
Peter, Wolverhampton wrote: Poland is a corrupt country and so its justice system. Warning to those football fans thinking of going to Euro 2012... don`t. You may end up in jail for no reason whatsoever. This is total and utter rubbish... The justice system in the UK is far more corrupt and lenient than that of Poland, or infact anywhere in the rest of the EU. The reason you might find yourself in jail is for doing things like peeing in the streets, drunken disorder and general bad behaviour which seems to be acceptable in the UK, but is a joke, and not tolerated anywhere else! If you actually visit Poland and other EU countries, you find that you actually have much more freedom than here in the UK. There is one thing for sure, you WONT end up in jail for making a remark about a footballer which somebody thinks might be racist....Its only the UK thats gone completely PC mad.
Vote UKIP. Listen to Nigel Farage on YouTube rip apart the EU muppets. He's outstanding. You won't see any of his speeches on the BBC though. I wonder why! Vote UKIP.
For the article- Polish are doing right thing-put all of their own nations criminals on one plane,ship them back to their own country, so their own justice system deals with it and their own taxpayer pays for their stay in the jail. How can you complain?? Oh hello, sorry, british people rather pamper a terrorist who quite happily would blow busful of british people up in a mansion with its family and private policemen guarding his house while paying benefits and for the uber expensive rent that even an hard working person could not work. /facepalm
"Polish officials say they are constitutionally bound to find every offender." Good idea.
A Russian illegal I knew of was arrested outside his bank and deported. Within three days he had returned, with his wife and went back to work as though nothing had happened! Do we have swing doors at ports and airports?
If this isn't the biggest argument for closing down the open border system, I don't know what is. What a complete farce. I've absolutely no problem with a country that want's all it's lawbreakers back.. Wish that was always the case. The problem I have, is with them getting back here so ridiculously easily. In my area crimes committed by foreigners are becoming more frequent in the new. I welcome any thing that halts it. Most ordinary people are sick of all this and just want controlled borders like we used to have. This can't keep going on, enough is enough.
....and we let them back in? Mental. Why do we pay for border controls?
Thank you Roger, it is good to see a british person who actually has learnt about the real history, for what USA and UK goverment did for "Eastern Europe" that consists of many countries that have their own language and history, for exmaple my own, Estonia is close relative to finnish by language & Scandinanivan by culture-we have never been all one Russia, never will be either. We have been occupied over and over, by germans, swedish,russians,polish,danish- but we have always managed to come back and keep our language. My country has never during its 2000 year existance called war on another country- and I am proud of it. I am proud to come from a nation that has been happy to live on its own little shore and not going around the world invading, killing, thieveing and raping. Google "singing revolution" and see how Baltics had a bloodless revolution to get out of communist regime after suffering 50 years from deporations, murders,slave labour etc that UK & USA signed half of Europeup4
Thank you Roger, it is good to see a british person who actually has learnt about the real history, for what USA and UK goverment did for "Eastern Europe" that consists of many countries that have their own language and history, for exmaple my own, Estonia is close relative to finnish by language & Scandinanivan by culture-we have never been all one Russia, never will be either. We have been occupied over and over, by germans, swedish,russians,polish,danish- but we have always managed to come back and keep our language. My country has never during its 2000 year existance called war on another country- and I am proud of it. I am proud to come from a nation that has been happy to live on its own little shore and not going around the world invading, killing, thieveing and raping. Google "singing revolution" and see how Baltics had a bloodless revolution to get out of communist regime after suffering 50 years from deporations, murders,slave labour etc that UK & USA signed half of Europeup4
So what is David Cameron and Theresa May going to do about the situation ? After all they have been in power for two years . Perhaps they will treat us to some more " Pledges " .
Send back on a bus!
I really do not understand the agenda of the Daily Mail. We have story after story about criminals abusing the human rights laws to stay in the UK. The when something is done about it, the DM starts get critical about the cost and that some minor criminals are also being deported. Maybe the government should consult the DM first before they do anything???? Personally I don#t care how much it costs. The point is at least some criminals are being removed!!
Re-introduce your border control (no passport and/or criminal offences=no entry) stuff the dictats at Brussels!
Like I keep saying the costs of being in this free open door European policy will spiral out of control. Whether it be sending criminals back home or more importantly for the British Tax Payer - the NHS, Schooling, local services, if the population increases with people paying low levels of tax , which is what is currently happening then budget shortfalls will come, then only 2 options available tax more to pay for the funding gap or make cut backs and provide low standard services. I'm afraid no MP wants to admit we have this problem but hey they live in a different world from the rest of us.
Uk is a paradise for criminals and crooks, they should be sent to Strasburgh, to the EU parliament. Italy has been destroyed by immigration. And now here it will be the same. The domage is done, its to late, the Labour party is responsible for it. Our government is run by chickens scared by the EU.
So it costs nothing to fly them back but there are court costs. Any news on how much court costs are in foreign countries for drunken brits being jailed?
It ought to be possible to ban foreign criminals from entering the UK, even if they are EU citizens. If they have a criminal record it should be easy to share that information with border control so that when they turn up at Heathrow or Dover (or indeed Calais ferry port or Warsaw airport) they are sent away. Likewise with UK criminals fleeing overseas.
Seriously? So who is behind it?! who is really making money on it? I bet SOMEONE ELSE is making much more ripping off tax payers! This is unbelievable.
Vote UKIP so we can get out of the daft EU, halt immigration and save our country.
How come they can come back if they are criminals? Are our borders THAT porous?
I applaud the Poles for their zero tolerance against crime and their dogged pursuit of relatively minor offenders. We need to adopt the same approach in the UK. The bill for processing Polish criminals should however be picked up by the Poles. It sounds as though either our accounting systems aren't adapted or flexible enough to accommodate foreign criminals, or we are giving them the five-star treatment as we do to our own miscreants. All offenders who try to escape justice by border hopping should be given an automatic minimum one year travel ban enforced by removing their passport. We need to get serious about crime which is out of control in the UK.
Why are they not on a list banning them from coming back? I genuinely DON'T understand. And if it comes doewn to EU rules, then i DO understand the answer to that.
Why cant we not allow them back in after they have been extradited to face trial? It should be simple enough with all the new technology we have for facial recognition software at airports and databases to check passports. What are these people at customs and border control, or whatever they are calling themselves these days, doing? Are they just in the job for the cushy number and riding the pension pony? Seems like they are.
The DM article is absolutely daft. Were we talking about offences here by our own people would you not want them prosecuted then? The logic of the article amazes me. I support the Polish government tackling crime whatever sort. We are too soft here and so encourage crime. The drift of your article is to ignore some crime and let the offender get away Scott free! How daft!
The Polish "justice" is a comedy. A criminal, who commited serious crimes, for instance set alight and destroyed 10 cars (and it was not first his such offence), endangered life of many inhabitants in blocks of apartments nearby, is freed immediately, while having rich father who is a lawyer. Or drunken driver hits teenagers and despite they are badly injured, immediatly goes free, probably because a town prosecutor is his colleague - or friend of his another colleague. And poor individual is chased in whole Europe, also for stealing something worthy 100-400 EUR, what means big costs for police in Poland and in another EU countries too. Polish "justice" is very incompetent and mindless. They are focused not on justice, but how to work comfortably, not thinking what costs it creates. That's the reason of many such deportations, not our constitution. Pictured small Polish military transport plane is CASA-295, no more than 20 criminals can be transported in one flight. What are costs?
Seemples! For every penny spent on such junkets, deduct a penny from the EU sub's!!!!!!
They need to organise something similar for Romanian criminals. The bill would probably be £150 million +.
The passports of these criminals should be stamped as Undesirable before they are returned to Poland, EU rules or not. Then they should be refused readmission to Britain.
Simple Theresa, don't let them in. Revoke their passports and give notice that we will no longer give free access to anyone with a criminal record, EU citizen or not.
What a about English criminals in other country, haven't heard them being extradited back to England,everyone that works pay tax
its Polish law to get these guys and they are using their own aircraft and people, so whats the problem! we could learn something from them!!!
Here's a well known quote; "Immigration benefits Britain". So just think of all the administration, security, police and Legal staff would have to lose their jobs (or would that be sinecures?) if there was no immigration. Here's another quote from a former Chancellor; "Unemployment is a price worth paying"........... if only.
How do they get in - Surely the security checks should throw up the fact they have been deported?? Otherwise why do we pay security guards what is the use of Security???
Why don't checks take place BEFORE they enter our country to ensure they're not here in the first place?
All welcome now we are part of the Evil Union.....A big thanks to that liar Heath way back in 70 for enslaving the British people and the half wit ministers who carried on the deception...
Seriously, are there any benefits to being part of the EU at all??
It's no good wittering on about the "hidden expenses". It is up to our pathetic legal system and those who run it to introduce some sort of fast tracking to rid us of these undesirables. France and Italy have recently shown how it should be done. Why do we not follow their example?
Benefit of mass immigration number 2644. Seems like there's no end to the crap we're expected to put with and pay for. But thank god the Polish government take their duties seriously, our Police want them to stop requesting the deportation of 'minor' criminals. So our police are happy for them to be here as it's a hassle for them to remove them! Tell that to the UK citizens who will become their victims. That attitude just about sums this country up, the whole State apparatus had forgotten it's duty and who pays it's wages. What is the point of being British anymore?? No democracy, just taxes to pay or else.
The UK has the same powers as every other EU country to exclude individuals from our national territory......so, the question is, why aren't we doing it?? There is no requirement to let any criminal from Poland (or Bulgaria, or Romania, or anywhere else) back into the UK. Why isn't the DM publishing that fact, and why aren't the DM and other media not applying pressure on the government to permanently exclude criminals from other EU countries? (Always assuming that the Border Agency is fit for purpose, but that's a whole other question.....).
why are we paying for interpreters!!! If you go to live in another country its up to you to know the basic's of the language. If you go to Spain and have to fill in any forms etc, you have to pay for you own interpreter. This is an expense we don't need to have!
at least the polish are taking responsibilty for their criminals its a lot more than most european countries are doing !!!
The simple remedy, is to stop electing those who are dedicated to the EU FIASCO, {LibLabCon} Vote only for UKIP, then we will have a Democracy, and The REFERENDUM.
Funny, why DM writes only about Polish criminals? What about the ones from other countries? Flight to Poland isn't actually that long... Think about thugs from other parts of the world!!
"British officials have pleaded with Poland for a let-up in the extradition of those wanted for minor offences, but to no avail. Polish officials say they are constitutionally bound to find every offender.".... .... Polish Officials 1, British officials 0.
Nothing we can do about this until we leave the EU. We have no control over our borders any more. Think carefully who you vote for at the next election. Have a look at the UKIP 'immigration and asylum policy' - Complete common sense, and one of the many reasons I will be voting for UKIP. - Terry, Peterborough, 10/4/2012 06:27 <<<< //// why doesn't the UK have control over its borders ? All passports are checked on arrival. Seems to me that yet again the EU is being given the blame for British stupidity.
Happy to pay. Now bring our lads home, stop paying aid, collect all taxes from large corporations, stop paying the EU then you can add 50 other planes to the fleet. Let's start adding the 1,000's of Middle East prisoners that have taken over the jails. Now I would like a job organising the border controls. I'll show you how to do it.
You only have to look at Calais to see how they back into the country. We were on a coach trip and stopped by the British Border control. Despite being mostly older people we all had to get off and our passports checked. Sniffer dogs were sent on and the coach checked thoroughly. As we left and went towards the French border control they just waved us through!!!!!! Those sent back to Poland should have their passports stamped by us to say that they are banned from coming here again and the French should be made accountable as well.
oh so thats why i get 3 days peace and quiet from my neighbours every so often then.
they should be arrested ,by the fashion police!
There is something wrong with those figures; 986 offenders in 2011, 80 seater (usually full) plane... That doesn't add up. Eighty per week is 4,160. Either way, Poland should be liable for all costs associated, including feeding and accommodating prior to departure.
If the UK had the balls to immediately extended this procedure for illegals and the other un-wanteds (as France does) prisons and detention centers would only be half full.
If these people keep getting back into the UK, that just says to me that the immigration control in this country isn't fit for purpose. - Saying what I think., Used to be "Great" Britain, 10/4/2012 2:14 To be fair to the UKBA, (I know, it hurts)it is because the Imperial Kommandanterie in Brussels forbids them to stop this scum entering the UK! So if you dont like this then vote UKIP/BNP and help get us OUT!
Oh come on - do we really care about this???? in the grand scheme of things this is not alot of money!!!!
More proof we are the worlds dumping ground for criminals, terrorists and benefit scroungers, these people make me sick and the fact they come straight back says a lot about our border control...or lack of it, its time to get the referendum we where promised on leaving the EU and dumping the Human Rights Act both of which have destroyed this country along with the previous Labour louts.
if you have a criminal offence you are not allowed in .so those who have come back into the country have sneeked in .so the boarder agencies are not DOING THERE JOB PROPERLEY
..........BUT , the EU is one BIG happy family ........ISN'T IT ?????
We are not in the Shengen Area therefore we can implement border controls if needed. So how about fingerprinting taken at exit points if requested under a European Arrest Warrant and if then taken at all entry points and if a match is found then the person is refused entry. At this point the cost is transferred to the authorities of the requesting country or from a "pot" held in the EU (or Rompy Pompy's back pocket).
We need to ensure that all of the main political parties understand that we will not allow them to continuously abuse their positions on this comedy carousel which they call government. I will be voting UKIP at the next local and general elections to show how much I despise these out of contact fools we have as leaders.
Amazing isn't it, every cow in this country has a passport so we can check the movement of every beast yet we can't do that we people.
many of those extradited are back in the UK within three days of being dealt with by a court.======and claiming benefits.
Why are criminals that are extradited allowed to return to the UK? We have enough criminals of our own we don't want them from other countries! What is going on in this country? Our government & border control agencies haven't got a clue! Do any of them really know what they are doing? The UK is gradually becoming an island full of the dregs of the world. No-one else will have them but the UK accepts them with open arms. It's about time we closed our borders, deported all criminal immigrants & banned them from ever returning to the UK. We should have a human rights bill of our own & tell the EU where they can put theirs, along with the ECHR! The way this country is run it's no wonder it's referred to as the UK now. It used to be called Great Britain but there's nothing great about it anymore.
All of you wanting border controlls remember this: ONLY UKIP will do anything about this! So go vote for them!
WHAT ABOUT BRITISH CON AIR COMING FROM SPAIN? THERE MUST "MANY" FLIGHTS?
I would prefer them out of the UK regardless of cost. Why is the DM trying to cover up minor driving offense or stealing chickens as being nothing? Here they will be candidates for the hundreds of eastern Europeans with no tax and insurance driving with no skills behind the wheel. The thieves will hardly stop at chickens once they see xboxes, LED TV's etc, will they? The only thing i see that is wrong, is that our borders are so badly administered that these same offenders can get back in days later!!!!
It is worth it, to get them back home.Otherwise they would probably commit crime in the UK
We are not part of the schengen agreement so it is just lazy border controls.
They want them back make them pay. We want rid of them permanently if they're criminals but only if they are NOT allowed back in should we have to pay.
We're going to need a bigger plane !
Some of u brits are such xenophobes- no Eastern Europeans in the UK eh? Why? Was it our fault that u destroyed our countries in WWII into poverty by signing off thanks to Churchills deal to CCCP and by doing that u only didnt guarantee to make us poor and starve but u are also responsible for Siberian mass deporatations. =======================Just trying to keep West Berlin from falling into Russian claws required airlifts and massive forces in West Germany for decades of Cold War. How could the USA and Britain possibly have kept Poland (and all the other eastern European countries) from Russian domination? Poland's plight was the caused by being enslaved by the USSR and to say that it was Churchill's fault is patently ridiculous.
It must be a laugh a minute working in the Home Office or for the Border Agency because there are so many comedians there
Bring on an Election and kick out the current Muppets , replace them with UKIP ,and tell Europe to get stuffed.
Make their way back within three days??? I don't get it. Haven't we got border controls to stop this sort of thing?
If the Poles want each and every criminal found, they should pay for the privilege. It's not our responsibility to honour their constitution.
Poland is a corrupt country and so its justice system. Warning to those football fans thinking of going to Euro 2012... don`t. You may end up in jail for no reason whatsoever.
Looking inside the plane it looks like the way for Ryanair to go - no seats!
So it seems they will only remove these criminals if requested to do so by their own countries,how about removing them as a matter of course.
but this can't be so !! Tony Blair told us sheep only 15,000 Polish in total would come here! what a nightmare and a liar!
So if we kick them out for being criminals how do they get back in? It just like the Romanians seen on that fraud programme last week scamming our cash points, if we kick them out they should stay out, why we can't ban certain Europeans from entering is beyond me, this country seems to love kicking itself in the teeth.
Someone is making lots of money on it, the question is who ?...................................... >>>>>>>>>>Police overtime<<<<<<<<<<
Poor Poles. Reviled by Brits, persistanly abused by western europe, lied to, invaded, sold out by the west for three generations. And still they come to work and to try to scratch out a living doing jobs that Brits on the scrounge would turn their noses up at. Some of the comments which appear, damn an entire nation for the actions of a few rotten apples.
If Poland pays for the flights already and they want offenders tracked down even for a minor motoring offence, then they should also pay towards those costs too. Or have a court room in London or Birmingham staffed by and paid for by the Poles, then they can deal with the minor offences immediately. The people who are charged with a serious crime can be put on their Con-air plane back to Poland.
at least you can get your tiling done cheap.
Was ok about this till i saw that they actually come back to the UK!!!! Amazing!!!! Thought extradition meant to permanently remove these people??
nice of the government to lay on a city break for them.
There is no point in us crying about polish extradition flights, we need to sort it out, if foreigners have criminal convictions or indeed if they are checked at our borders which will flag they are wanted then don't let them enter. The carriers of these people should foot the bill for thei immediate return. But our ineffective pc government will do nothing, we all know this ! Britain is awash with foreign criminals because of our soft laws, we are a laughing stock and we have gone to far ever get back a Great Britain.
HEYYYYYY....................it's EASTERN EUROPEAN SCARE STORY TIME.......................WAKE UP SHEEP, it's time for you to write,UKIP now.
ther needs to be more seats and more planes
Well if they are deported back to Poland and they are criminals how can they get into the UK? We are an Island they cant just drive through or walk it. Oh silly me we dont have any border controls
We are a small island; that this SMALL island has porous borders, porous laws and is subserviant to non-elected EU officials is not the fault of immigrants, criminal or otherwise, it is the fault of the government. Some will correct me, saying that EU officials ARE elected. Yes, they're elected by their non-elected peers, who preside over non-audited budgets and non-audited accounts. How backward is Cameron's Britain? Personal example: Twelve years ago my wife and I were leaving the Sultanate of Oman and, at the departure desk, the immigration officer, alerted by the IT system, fined me for a speeding offence picked up on camera months previously. How precise? One rial for every kilometer over the speed limit! Consider it; the system had to interface car ownership, outstanding traffic offences, speed band and departures from the country. Twelve years later, where is Britain with the taxpayer billions squandered on IT systems?
is that £51,000 for each person ?
Nothing we can do about this until we leave the EU. We have no control over our borders any more. Think carefully who you vote for at the next election. Have a look at the UKIP 'immigration and asylum policy' - Complete common sense, and one of the many reasons I will be voting for UKIP.
The UK is being mugged by the EU because they are not playing ball. Worst though is the UK Government is not tracking these foreign criminal and stopping them from coming back. How can the Home Secretary and the Borders Agency Bosses sleep at night knowing they are failing the British people. Shame is a word forgotten and rarely used in its proper context. Shame on the UK Government, hang your heads in shame!
Just one big merry go round then, send them back, then they arrive back in the UK, surely their passports should be stamped to say that they have been deported, or do they come back inthrough the tunnel, the immigration control in the UK is one big joke.
Some of u brits are such xenophobes- no Eastern Europeans in the UK eh? Why? Was it our fault that u destroyed our countries in WWII into poverty by signing off thanks to Churchills deal to CCCP and by doing that u only didnt guarantee to make us poor and starve but u are also responsible for Siberian mass deporatations. With the history that british have, going around the world taking,taking ,taking and becoming wealthy on it (not anymore because these days these countries are in charge of their own)- I would be quiet, u have thieved, occupied and killed ur way throughout the history. Dont forget your history before u start saying who can be where, I am sure native americans thought british should not be there either, or indians, or chinese, or ..shall I continue?
Why did the British government let all of them in to begin with?
"Con Air movie comes to my mind when i saw this ...." - Jamal, London UK, 10/4/2012 02:14 Well, it would, wouldn't it when the item headline begins "Con Air ...."?
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Irrespective of the EU rules regarding freedom of movement, if these people are deported to Poland, they should be banned from returning back here to become parasites on our econony. The same applies to any other EU criminals.
I just don't understand how they get into Britain in the first place?? There really must be some very lax immigration officers on duty.
Money saving tip. Cut down on landing fees. Chuck them out the back.
Most are back in the UK in 3 days. It is now time to fire any of the British Border Agency personel who allows them back into the UK. Then make which ever company, that brings them here, take them back at their expense.
Amazing really. can send Poles back but can't send hook to the USA. Mind boggles.
We have stringent rules and regulations covering the removal and disposal of our garbage. This should be applied to ALL our garbage! Think positive people. Every bit of 'garbage' from all sources 'E.U.' turns into another nail in the political coffins of the three main parties. They have become totally unelectable. Nigel? Return to your constituency, and prepare for Government! You are this country's last chance.
Meh. The UK sends and receives criminals from all over the world. With the exception of the US the "prison economy" is quite large here. Most of these "costs" are private companies creaming a profit.
Isn't being in the EU just dandy?!?!
"British officials have pleaded with Poland for a let-up in the extradition of those wanted for minor offences, but to no avail." . . . so if those same British officials just refused to do anything, say in a situation where they didn't want to waste time and resources tracking down someone for a minor traffic offence, what exactly would happen ??? Why can't our officials just grow a pair and tell our annoying EU neighbours where to shove it when they make unreasonable demands !!!
These Crims are a Disgrace to the decent Polish People who have worked hard all their lives .
"Last year, a total of 986 suspects were flown to Poland on 65 flights.." no wonder it's expensive in admin, that's 15.16 people per flight !!!!!
If these people keep getting back into the UK, that just says to me that the immigration control in this country isn't fit for purpose.
Con Air movie comes to my mind when i saw this , maybe they should try to escape , you never know .
the elephant in the room
Why are these criminal s here in the first place? Re-introduce boarder controls and stop them there!
"The cross-border crimefighting agreement was introduced in 2004 and states EU members must hand over people wanted in other EU countries with a ‘minimum of formalities’, in an effort to speed up extradition." Formalities to the max only here.
Someone is making lots of money on it, the question is who ?
Well with 1% to 2% of Poland's total population living in the UK, what did you expect? The perfect example of "enrichment and diversity" in action, EU-SSR style...
Polish government promises work and better life in UK and Ireland. Young people running away to get any jobs which are lacking in their Motherland.
...can't we send an army of Britains own chavs and scum over with them, see how the Polish like it.
Seems like money well spent to me. And for once Poland not being vilified, they are actually making sure that they prosecute criminals, maybe we should take a leaf out of their book.
Yet more abject spin and waffle being spouted by the Home Office. HOW THE HELL DO THESE UNWANTED PEOPLE RETURN TO THE UK IN THREE DAYS? Outrageous.
Rather they were sent back even with all the eurocratic red-tape expenses than here on the dole.
Dont complain At least they are sending them back
Polish officials say they are constitutionally bound to find every offender. Seems they are more advanced than the UK.
Thank you very much for showing us these wonderful photographs of polish criminals going home By Escort .
The Polish are 100% right! They give justice where it is due WHY does the British want then to stay here just to save a few pounds REPATRIATE THEM ALL as it is their home country
Stop complaining, at least they're being sent back. Good riddance.
"British officials have pleaded with Poland for a let-up in the extradition of those wanted for minor offences, but to no avail." --->>> This says everything we need to know about how soft and useless our own criminal-friendly criminal justice system and the fact that they can be back within days proves that we need to retake control of our own borders to stop the revolving doors of criminals coming into the UK to commit serious crimes, before fleeing abroad to escape detection. Please may we have a referendum on EU membership.
This idiocy won't end until we leave the EU, ditch the ECHR and regain control of both our own borders and our criminal-friendly criminal justice system.
Bill Poland for the £50 Million and give it to our pensioners.
-------The cross-border crimefighting agreement was introduced in 2004 and states EU members must hand over people wanted in other EU countries with a ‘minimum of formalities’, in an effort to speed up extradition. However it is argued it disproportiona
Dare I say it is money well spent ?
We hope you enjoy your flight...........
The real face of Virgin Atlantic.
Make a move and the bunny gets it.....
Whatever it takes. Just get rid of them.
If this worries you then you need to check our 2 million unemployment figure and ask yourselves why we need Polish people full stop. They bring nothing to the table other than cheap labour which is destroying lives in Britain. Sure it might enhance their lives and their families lives back home when they send their wages back but what about the lives its destroying in England and the dent its putting into our economy which will effect our next generation?
AH Now that photo really brings back memories for me, because when I first came to Thailand and settled with my Thai wife she informed me that we were going to Bangkok for her brothers sons wedding. He was a top ranking air force pilot and he wanted the whole familly to attend. Our first move was being taken to the air force base at Nakonrachasima and about thirty of the familly were then all put into what looks like the same plane, a Hurculies and flown down to Bangkok for the wedding.
put the bunny back in the box!!!
You can bet that this is only the tip of the iceberg. The worst thing that ever happened to the UK was the admission of Poland to the EU. How dare the politicians continue to tell us how wonderful the EU is and how beneficial poles are to our country. The fact is they are simply a burden to the already overstretched tax payer.
Perhaps we should change the law and not allow them back.
the whole world must be laughing at this stupid country and the way we do things...me i just shake my head in disgust and disbelief.
No Poles, or any other east europeans should be allowed into this country full stop. Are borders should be totaly closed, and only tourists and people here on business allowed in.
Why are their faces being hidden? We don't want them back!!!
"Poor kids. I hope this doesn't have any lingering effects on them." I love how someone expresses a little compassion for these children and gets hundreds of red arrows. We don't need to worry about 'scum' being brought it. Seems we have plenty of obnoxious types already here- they're just busy reading the Mail!
Another wonderful import from Eastern Europe. Everyday we read about something negative that the Eastern Europeans are involved in and that affects the UK and its people in a bad way. We can thank Labour for its open door immigration policies and their obsession with creating a multi-cultural Britain even if the electorate don't want it. Labour and the Conservatives talk about capping immigration but not from INSIDE the EU, only from those entering from OUTSIDE! Its the Eastern Europeans that are flooding in you dummies!!!....that means from INSIDE the EU!!!!
All immigrants committing a 'real' crime should be sent home and not allowed back in. Forget EU rules. Forget the Human Rights Act.
The Government was advised on the 'Roma problem coming our way' several years ago by Civil Servants...but was ignored.
The Media has known about this so why wasn't something done before. We are too frightened of being arrested for being racist or anti certain religions to stand up and be counted. I would have voted BNP but they do not have a candidate in our area.
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 15:06 Unfortunately R yes you are - if we had the Australian system in the UK maybe we would still be in control of our country Joanne, Warwickshire
We have to let a lot more in to this country over the next few weeks before the new government close the door. If we dont let them in they will have nowhere to go thats as easy as the UK !! They are only trying to make a living, like us poor sods in the UK. And they do have the law on there side, provided by our elected, sorry, . . . . . . er . . . . . . .
useless election stunt that solves nothing but merely pretends that Labour takes crime on our streets seriously.
to quote Ruth Kelly "these people enrich our country with their diversity" - well I can see that and we keep just accepting them - we have the EU and Herr Blair to thank for that
i am from eastern europe and living in london for some time now but i have never used the UK system or asked for any benefits. very embarrassing to read all the articles about eastern european causing troubles etc in UK. Anyone who doesn't want to work, asking for benefits and breaking the law should be sent back home with ''PERSONA NOT GRATA'' in the passport !!!!
If children are caught committing crimes then both they and their parents should be expelled and their documents endorsed prohibiting return, ever. We do need to have secure borders not the sieve that exists now so perhaps the troops waging an unwinnable war in Afghanistan should be brought back to aid the Borders Service. They could also be engaged in escorting illegal aliens out of the country following the cancellation of the Human Rights Acts and the removal of the armies of lawyers who are engaged in this aspect of the law. Entering or remaining in our country illegally should be a criminal offence punishable by a minimum two year prison sentence suspended if the person concerned leaves the country. Any return should invoke the sentence without any right of appeal.
These are the very people our government has encouraged to come here and welcomed them with open arms. Does anyone still think the Labour government is competent? They couldn't run a whelk stall.
These would be the immigrants with essential skills needed for Britain's recovery that Clown Brown keeps talking about! Another load of thieves coming to Britain. We do not need anymore thieves because we have 650 MP's and a House of Lords full of theives already stealing millions from the poor British Tax payer. They call them expences! This story also highlights the fact that our borders are not secure and anybody from anywhere can get into the UK at anytime - and stay. We need to tighten our borders, kick out illegals within 48 hours of arriving and stop immigration immediately - we don't need or want any more immigrants. We need to make some of the 8 million + who are of working age who are not working, not studying and not claiming job seekers allowance back to work. Do we have any politicians brave enough to tackle the issue because all these issues are linked.
Pip from Edinburgh is right. My daughter-in-law is an accountant and speaks 4 languages as well as her own and also very beautiful. Just the sort this country need. She gets very uptight when people think that all Romanians are of the Roma variety.
Close the borders to only the legit qualified, Ignore the EU rules (like the french do when it suits) then scour the country and remove the illegales and not wanted, then we will all have JOBS???? They get money from somewhere? handouts and cash work.
Gordon, Well Done, this 'smart' ploy will LOSE votes because people will wonder...Why Now?
R, CBD, Melbourne. I am afraid you are right, unless of course you are from Australia, New Zealand, U.S.A. etc. Then you need to apply for a visa and then heaven help you if overstay your visa allotment. Silly ain't it.
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 15:06 Yep! That just about sums it up. Get ready for a massive invasion of Poms- we are all ready to leave this downgraded and depressed island. Luckily for you guys you have a government that is tough on immigration, so I wouldn't worry too much about many of us moaning Brits being allowed in.
Romania is in the EU..... These people are entitled to come here....... And you can have more of them..... just vote..Labour - Conservative - Liberal... the three EU parties. It's the only way you can be sure we get all the dregs of Europe. Happy voting.
My answer to R, CBD Australia is YES, and unfortunately we can't turn the clock back pre 1997! Hopefully Nu Labour will be a thing of the past from now on.
This is not the whole picture, it was reported last year that children such as these are also being trafficked and used as props when making child benefit claims in the UK. As the scams become more widely known and the restrictions on claims come down in April 2011 then the fun will really begin. Four more countries lined up for EU expansion so far; Croatia, Macedonia, Albania, and Turkey. Tired of this constant drive to admit poor countries and transfer UK wealth eastward? Tell your MP's, tell the media, tell pollsters, tell your friends and use your vote wisely in May.
Sorry to be pedantic Gra, you've got too many commas going on there. Not only, but also, you've got a superfluous capital T, and Kidsmen, surely, or a person who...was called a... I understand the allure of the humble comma , I had to hold myself back a couple of times. - luce, amsterdam, 8/4/2010 15:10 Shouldn't you capitalise the first letter of your name, Luce? Sorry to be pedantic.
These child gangs have been able to operate because we do not prosecute children who are 'under the age of criminal responsibility'. The adults can therefore use them while being wholly responsible for the crimes. Even when caught these children have to be released. If any foreigner faced immediate deportation (without right of appeal) if they, or their children, committed an offence which should receive a custodial sentence perhaps we would gain some control over our streets and reduce the number of foreigners in our prisons.
Children sent 2 beg &steal. These are just some of things that are happening in the UK when you don't have Controlled Immigration. People should Not be in the UK from the EU or beyond unless they have Work or have been Working & the EU are Not to blame its Weak-minded MPs.
I think there should be a giant statue of Tony Blair at Dover, like the statue of liberty, with the inscription, ''Bring us your huddled masses .......................etc !
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 15:06 Well said!
I hope The Mail will decide to post this comment coming from a Romanian citizen. They haven't done so in the past. I am writing to thank Pip, Edinburgh for having posted that comment. Roma citizens represent 2% out of 98% Romanians. I am taken aback at British people's ignorance and hastiness in passing judgements and placing labels on peoples/nations without ever bothering to check facts. I am a teacher of English and am saddened by such attitudes presented often in the Mail asif we were all criminals and thieves. I regret the fact that the 2% cause such trouble in UK. and we are all ashamed of their wrongdoings, BUT WE ARE NOT ROMA IN ROMANIA, WE ARE ROMANIANS, and a lot of us are hardworking individuals who happen to disagree with your offensive remarks. Pip, from Edinburgh, thank you.
Sorry to be pedantic Gra, you've got too many commas going on there. Not only, but also, you've got a superfluous capital T, and Kidsmen, surely, or a person who...was called a... I understand the allure of the humble comma , I had to hold myself back a couple of times. - luce, amsterdam Lol .. I love it when people make a total fool of themselves. He's not writing a book Luce (capital 'L' by the way) he's probably eating a sandwich for his lunch with one hand and navigating the comments section with the other .. live and let live Luce. Oh, and you weren't being pedantic sweetie, you were just nitpicking!!
What do you expect when we let the likes of romania and bulgaria into the EU? Time for us to get out NOW!
Luce,Amsterdam: People add their comments as a way of communicating.Graeme of Canterbury did that perfectly.This is not an English grammar exam,it's a message board! Get a life. PS: Your sentence construction is appalling.
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 8/4/2010 15:06 yes of course you are.
A sane voice in the racist clamour, flashed the red card by mistake. Poor kids. I hope this doesn't have any lingering effects on them. - Liz, Bournemouth, UK, 8/4/2010 17:59
Those are some ugly houses!
Our society has become too soft thanks to do gooders and the Human Rights Act therefore these evil people will be let off lightly where as what we really need is harsh punishments to stop this evil trade and to warn others do this and life as you know it will cease immediately.
However here in sunny Romania I have seen the population of Roma people vanish into thin air. Thank you very much Sir Gordon Brown for taking them off Romania's hands, cheers pal theres a beer waiting here for you after you lose your job.
in response to R... Yup!.. n it's starting to become that way here in DownUnder!... to!
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 8/4/2010 22:06 Not quite. If you want to get into the UK legally, you have to go through several tiers of acceptance fill in several sets of ever changing forms and pass a "Life in the UK" test. For this test you have to learn the answers for several hundred questions about the UK, which many of the indiginous population would have no idea how to answer, because they are irrelevant to life. The important thing is that at each level of application there is a fee to pay. One thousand pounds or more for the premium service. You are not entitled to state benefits. If you arrive illegally, you get all the state benefits, housing etc. Then if you really don't like it, you get paid 3000 quid to go back. When you are back you get the next possible transport back to the UK to claim your next raft of benefits ad infinitum.
Well I hate to say this BUT, Until all eligible voters Get up off their backsides and go to a polling booth, instead of only a very small percentage of you, Then I am afraid, that what used to be a wonderful country will be a total basket case. The future is up to you mr and mrs UK, no one else!!!!
I really hope that in all the charges that will be laid against these "people" I certainly hope they lay charges for bad taste. Those have to be the ugliest homes I have ever seen. Too bad all criminals didn't display such examples of bad architecture. We would have no problems finding them.
Safestyle Windows should open a branch in Romania.
Naturally the gang members will head straight for England, where they will claim political asylum and will be given large houses in Central London (to house all those children).
These countries emptied their prisons and mental homes by sending their riff-raff here!
What on earth is Romania doing in the EU anyway. Just like Greece has no business being part of the Euro,Romania has no business being in the EU. Sorry but as an EU tax paying citizen I feel its my' civil right to voice these concerns. Whilst we're at it why not make Albania(entire GDP comes from Pyramid schemes) and Moldova join too. When will this stupid ignorant Brussels elite get the message...I forgot gravy trains are self perpetuating vehicles.
How is this possible - arresting Romanians in the UK? From all of the articles I have read in the Mail, to accuse a Romanian of any wrong doing is racist. Yes, racist according to the Labour Government. I am constantly scratching my head over that claim, as the last I checked, Romanians were not a race. Did I miss something collecting 3 university degrees? Romanians are a race? Only in New Labour UK. Gordo - can you define race for us please???
All the Queen's horses and all the Queen's men, Will never put England together again.
It's your fault UK! Why? Because you are the ones who give money to those kids in the street!!! Is simple as that! Why do you do it? Because of you these kids suffer!!!
You do have to question though, who is paying for the girls prostitution services in the UK, if you fund the trade it will occur
"When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right?" Yes R Melbourne they can its what the country needs that's what the liebour party has been saying for years. Also as stated here nothing will be done about this its all for show, the police are just helping out their liebour party bosses.
They were probably allowed in by our Authorities to give us a better understanding of other ethnic cultures, and time honoured traditions. Are we really saying that we dont want to be enriched?....... ....... ....... How ungrateful we must seem to the Roma Gypsies!!!
aaah, the joys and benefits of mass uncontrolled immigration!! NOT!! Was going to vote Tory until I read the story of the travellers being given interest free loans to buy land to build on. HOW ABOUT HELPING THE NATIVES??? So I will now be voting BNP.
Yes, R.CBO I think anyone can walk into Britain , if my Father were alive today to see what he spent 5 years in North Africa he would turn in his grave.
One should not comment on other people's use of grammar when they clearly not mastered it themselves
Poor kids. I hope this doesn't have any lingering effects on them. - Liz, Bournemouth, UK, 8/4/2010 10:29 Why was the above comment red arrowed? She didn't say "poor adults who have brought these stolen children up on a life of crime". I don't think Liz was sympathizing with the criminal ring leaders just the primary school aged babes.
dopey border control...you wont walk into their country that easy...i was there in 08...i know....they look you up and down like the gestapo
It is nonsense and a clear indication of geographical and cultural ignorance to state that Rumania and Bulgaria are Eastern Europeans, they have far greater allegiences to the Balkan states. Eastern European have very different cultural values and on the whole are very law abiding and conservative people after decades of Soviet oppresion. The Balkans have always had an air of independence which leads to this sort of thing...
To Edward Woodhead -meaning? Explain yourself, yes, spell it out, I am intrigued.
Cheers Blair and Brown, all your own work.
Doesn't matter how much money you nick, it still won't buy you taste.
You voted for it.
I don't even live in Britain and I'm aware that this has been going on for years. It is disgusting but don't act like it's a one time thing, a new craze. If only it was. Also comparing it to Oliver Twist really trivializes the disturbing child abuse committed here when these babies are forced to work as thieves/live as prostitues to fund even more extreme crime.
Pip, You're the one confused. Roma are an ethnic group who live in many countries, and have the nationality of their country of birth, though East and Central European countries with large and unpopular Roma minorities often try to reject them. It is difficult to know the true figures because, to avoid discrimination, deserved or not, many Roma do not declare their ethnicity on census forms.
While waiting for a bus on holidays in Italy last year I was approached by a little gypsy begging for money. So I offered him 20 cents, but he just stamped his feet and ordered me to cough up a euro. Beggars can't be choosers, I told him, but that just made him stamp his feet even more. He was only 3 or 4, but I bet he managed to bully the euro out of more than a few other people that day. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he's already earned enough to build his luxury retirement home in Romania. All the time, his mother was sitting on a bench about ten yards away, keeping a close eye on his progress.
Linda, Fife- I think you're confused. Roma people are not Romanian's. The Roma in fact make up 2.5% of the Romanian population. This shows you are ignorant of both the Roma, and the Romanian people. Perhaps educatate yourself before passing such flawed judgement. - Pip, Edinburgh, 8/4/2010 15 Breaking News: Children kidnapped and abused by evil criminal gangs to spread misery. We go live to Pip from Edinburgh who is outraged at lack of geographical knowledge by concerned member of the public.
I complained to Tony Blaire about these children being used by adults to beg on the underground from tourist on the Heathrow line, that was ten years ago, nothing has changed. Its called intergration and was introduced by NuLabour Welcome to the mad house
If the children have been identified, they should be returned to their country and handed over to social services there, otherwise this country would be complicit in the kidnapping and trafficking of children.
Ahhh....enrichment!
I'm coming to UK soon. Do I need to pack a passport?
Yes R,CBD you are right but hopefully when we get rid of this government it will resolve one way or another.
This has been going on for years now due to the open door policy. Where do you think the escalation in knfe crime came from?
Is this what we have come to, we should have the right to refuse them entry as they are no benefit to this country, don't let them in. People come here to 'work' not to beg
Well this is the borderless EU afterall. Well done Gordon.
According to the government all the immigrants are either genuine asylum seekers or honest migrant workers doing the jobs us brits wont do. They havent got a clue
britian is HEAVEN for criminals. is this a benefit for being part of europe. the british belief in political correctness means that people think these people only need a good tea to be good. QUEEN VICTORIA AND WINSTON CHURCHILL ARE IN HEAVEN AND IN TEARS. P. BLOOMBERG old man glendale, ca
R, CBD - yes you are correct. For 13 years ANYONE from ANYWHERE has been allowed to enter this once beautiful country and turn it into a third-world dump. NuLabour are solely to blame for it, especially the traitor known as Blair. Any intelligent Englishman/women knows not to trust Labour or the Tories, or even the Lib Dems. They are all liars and cheats. But we do have one small hope, many of us are voting BNP. It may be extreme but we really have no other choices available to us. Our country has been decimated by the Labour Party and the corrupt EU. If this is what it takes to reclaim our country - so be it.
VOTE for UKIP or the BNP they WILL solve Our problems.
To R, CBD Melbourne, You are almost right! Anyone who is a citizen of any of the other countries that make up the EU have the right to live here. A majority of these recent members are countries that have lived under communism for many years, the countries were poor, and their citizens lived in conditions that many of us would consider very hard indeed. Once their borders were opened, they flooded out, and into the more advanced and much richer countries in Europe. Its not only the UK that suffers these problems, Germany, Italy, France, are all in the same position. Sadly however, the UK seems to have a much more lax welfare system that is rigorously exploited by illegals and criminal gangs alike. Millions of us in the UK want out of the EU, which is a Socialist organisation bent on destroying national identities,and forming an integrated 'country' ruled by its political masters. Google Common Purpose. Hope this helps!!!!
Join the club, they are rife all over Europe. Time to send them all back, where they come from. Most of them are run by their own Mafia's
The mere tip of the iceberg!
To Linda, Fife - You might be slightly confused yourself. Yes, they are Roma and not Romanians, however, most of the Roma who are plaguing our streets are Roma from Romania and not Roma from neighbouring countries such as Bulgaria and Hungary. Perhaps better to educate (educatate!!!!) yourself before passing such flawed judgement.....
These pondlife specimens are abducting young children to traffic, exploit and abuse them, but apparently the kids' suffering isn't worth considering to many readers here because they're not British. I hope to hell these kids are rescued and reunited with their families and the book gets thrown at the evil scum who used them. And as usual, I see that many of the folk on here demonising all immigrants are British expats living in other countries, eg. immigrants there - wonder how they'd feel to be regarded the same way by the locals?
Comming soon to your area, but dont say anything about it or you may end up being fined or sent to prison, after all this is England the land of the free.
Its much more sinister ... they use children because they are aware of the British love of children and how they are protected by law... these peope are wicked trash !
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right? - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 Not quite. I'm American and in 1996 I tried to move to Britain after graduating from college. I was going to live with some friends I met while studying abroad in London two years earlier. I planned to stay for a month to look for work, and if I couldn't find a job, I'd return home. Long story short, Heathrow personnel insisted I'd stay illegally and they chucked me out of the country the same day (after quite a bit of manhandling, no less). It took 2 1/2 years before I was allowed back in the country and I had to obtain a visa in order to do so. I had no desire to stay in Britain illegally--I wanted to work, pay taxes, and be a regular citizen. Apparently that didn't matter to them!
Didn't some UKIP blokie have to resign today for saying this?
'When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right?' So says R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 I'm afraid you're dead right there, and there's absolutely nothing any UK citizen can do about it without voting to leave the EU. Then, and only then, will we be able to kick them all out. I'm sick of what's become of this once green and pleasant land. That's why I'm voting UKIP. Unfortunately, most voters are fixated by three-party politics, so the antics of these foreign scumbag criminals will continue ad infinitum - with the govts. blessing, because they say our economy needs them. They must have a hole in the head!
Thank you very much NLab, you sure know how to govern a country.
"When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right?" - R, CBD, Melbourne, Australia, 08/4/2010 15:06 Are we reading the same article??? The one I've just read said these people were raided and arrested. I hope to God these children get returned to their parents, poor little buggers.
To Linda, Fife Roma, actually rromani, is the name the gipsies give themselves. Here, in Romania, if you call them gipsy you are acused of racism. Romania, the name of the country, comes from Rome, as it has been one of the most important teritorries of the Roman Empire. Different ethimology! About the article: it's true a lot of them are petty criminals, it's their way of living. But there are quite a few of them who break with the traditional way of life: they either become mobs, or honest, bright, hard working people; I have a lot of respect for the latter. EU accused Romania for ever that we don't know how to treat them: there, treat them yourself, EU, they are all yours. I am sure every society has a percentage of asocial or antisocial people.
And then we have Gordon Brown who is "begging" the electorate to give him another term after he's been "stealing" their hard earned cash for over a decade.
More proof that we are now a third world country and it will only get worse under this dopey goverment.
Land of milk and honey. Come to the U.K to live if you dare ! Take our jobs, take our houses, use our NHS, claim our benefits then pick our pockets. They probably thought they were entitled to it as they get everything else.
I doubt anyone is shocked who is from the indeginous population, normally the left call those that comment as race haters. It is time Britain pulled out of the EED and closed its borders to all unsundry, and I mean ALL. My dad said it would become the dumping ground of the world way back in the 70's and Britain has definitely done that.
Pip, Edinburgh - I am fully aware that there is a huge difference between the Roma and Romanians as a whole, but as these people largely live in Romania, then they should be the responsibility of the Romanian government. I lived in London for 20 years (way before countries like Romania joined the EU) and we had problems with Roma beggars on the tube as far back as the early 80s; also the Roam women with sedated babies and toddlers. Their government was more than happy for them to move here as they wanted rid of them and made no secret of this. I thought I had left gipsies begging on the street behind when I left London, now it is no longer pleasurable to visit Edinburgh because of them. However, I expect you are one of those people who will defend their right to steal and beg!
The EU was OK when there were just 12 or 15 countries. It's now too big with too many third world nations.
Those who show great indignation at immigration, should not forget that entire peoples were almost driven to extinction by Britishers (and Europeans) immigrating to those places, Native Americans in North and South America, Indigenous Australians in Australia, and Inuits in Canada, where they were too numerous to exterminate they were exploited and left impoverished as in Asia and Africa.
They won't receive any prison time, it's the way they earn their living. It's their Human Rights and we all know how the government feel about those.....for immigrants only of course!!!! - bronwen, Florida USA, 08/4/2010 15:17 Just for the record it is only ILLEGAL immigrants who have these Human Rights and backing from the government to do as they wish. Legal citizens & immigrants... have no rights at all.
Oh no another bleeding heart, not mine I'm afraid. I have watched my city center,my market, my super market not to mention the schools, local employers all pamper to the ever growing band of immigrant workers, well for the first year anyway, then suddenly they can't find jobs anymore bur grandma, dad, uncle whoever needs to come and live here vecause they need care. Ah that would involve our hard pushed NHS then. But it's OK because the bleeding hearts say so. Well just wait till their 16 year old son can't get a job, their father who has worked till he was 73 can't get an appointment and see how hard their hearts bleed then.But lets be honest their middle class little worlds don't enter ours so they probably will never have to suffer any of these everyday problems and really don't give a damn that we do.
"I understand the allure of the humble comma , I had to hold myself back a couple of times. - luce, amsterdam, 08/4/2010 15:10" Sadly though Luce, not the allure of the comma's position? There should be no space between the preceding word and the comma. I shall be charitable though and say it's probably a typo? TTFN.
R,CBD Melbourne. You are right.
More children in care,as Romania is part of EEC the children are legally here. If they can't reunite the children with their parents they will stay in care in the UK. Welcome to the enlarged EEC!
Eastern European child pickpockets have been rife on the London Tube for more than a decade now, and nobody has batted an eyelid. I smell an election.
They won't receive any prison time, it's the way they earn their living. It's their Human Rights and we all know how the government feel about those.....for immigrants only of course!!!!
But we continue to let them into the UK because our Border Force is inept for the better part. I has been reported on enough times in the UK press of these gangs operating in the UK but nothing seems to be done like sending them back to where they came from.
Linda, Fife- I think you're confused. Roma people are not Romanian's. The Roma in fact make up 2.5% of the Romanian population. This shows you are ignorant of both the Roma, and the Romanian people. Perhaps educatate yourself before passing such flawed judgement.
Sorry to be pedantic Gra, you've got too many commas going on there. Not only, but also, you've got a superfluous capital T, and Kidsmen, surely, or a person who...was called a... I understand the allure of the humble comma , I had to hold myself back a couple of times.
When I read stories like this, it just seems as if anyone from anywhere can just walk into Britain and do as they please. Am I right?
So after a trial, the expense of which will be increased with the usual extortionate interpreters fees, followed by a not guilty verdict as all the witnesses will be missing, the organisers of these gangs will remain free in Britain to do the same thing again. Deportation? Not a chance.
Silly people, they could have had earned even more by bringing a coach load of friends to the UK and claiming benefits for nonexistant children somewhere in th EU. No jobsworth or transient cohesion outreacher would check the validity of any claim because of human rights and PC.
Thanks again for highlighting the wonderful enriching process. Were these the same group that the Ulster folk kicked out much to the displeasure of the chattering classes. Perhaps we should build a recption centre in Islington then those chattering classes could help out. As EU citizens we are stuck with them until our exit from said EU
Ahhhhhh the benefits of being in the nutty, mentally disordered, incompetent, useless, create more PROBLEMS than trying to SOLVE them, not fit for purpose EU club.
this is just another non surprising story, anybody with a brain knew damn well this sort of thing was going to happen, but despite this our glorious numb skull of a leader signed us into the EU just so he would have a cushey job waiting for him when he gets ousted, i will vote only for a party thatll get us out of the filthy dictatorship called the EU, as its only purpose is one of weilding total control over as many countries as it can & destroying peoples freedom.
Aaahhh - the UK - and the EU - doesn't it make your heart proud?
Well what a surprise. Of course, none of us could see that things like this would ever happen once the floodgates opened. Don't worry, folks. Just keep on voting for the three main parties and in a few years time you will be able to look back at the good old days of 2010, when the rot had only recently set in. Or maybe, just maybe, you actually think enough of your children and grandchildren to put a stop to this madness on May 6th.
and romania was allowed. to become a member of the european union. this is a result. sadly it will not be the last of it"s kind.
But the government will say we must respect their human rights as this is part of their culture. Is there any part of Europe that doesn't have problems with Roma? Countries like Spain and Italy also have problems (Madrid is terrible). Put simply, Romania is one of the countries who should not have been allowed entry to the EU - their government now expects the rest of us to take over their problems.
The problem with lax immigration laws, lax border control, and a government not bothered. Criminal gangs take advantage, then everybody loses.
Don't you just love nulabours open door policy on immigration?
In Victorian times, These people, who had children recruited for pickpockets, were called a Kidsman.
Poor kids. I hope this doesn't have any lingering effects on them.
Lovely people Mr Brown brought in - what a hell hole Britain has become with every scumbag in the world allowed here to do as they please.
Isn't it wonderful waht Blair, Brown and the EUSSR have given us in this country. Three million immigrants that we know about, probabl;y another 2 million illegals. Romanian, Armenian and Ukrainian gangsters, pimps, drug traffickers, rapists , murderers - and a country where in many schools - SEVENTY languages is now the norm. If we do not get rid of the Lab-Con statists and the EU commisars within a very short time - this country will be a police state with a vast population of poverty stricken people from every failed country in the world. UKIP seems the only party offering a real choice. Cameron still accepts the role of EU dominance and he will do nothing to control immigration. We are in the most serious crisis of britain's thousand year history,
So the playing of musical intruments on our streets hasn't worked? They have now resorted to this. How pathetic and cruel.
Well done Gordon Brown - your lot caused this... Get us OUT OF THE EU NOW!
Oh the joys of the eu.
This EU let anyone in policy is certainly working. The sooner we get out of this madhouse the better. Never had this sort of thing in this Country until we were all forced to be in this EU nuthouse.
These gangs are not only operating in Britain. In France, Spain, Belgium, it is the same thing. Dare sit in an outside cafe and they will be there, begging. Cursing you if you dont give them anything. It needs to be stopped. No doubt they are beaten up by their "minders" if they fail to bring enough money in. But it seems the police on foot patrol ignores them, even when they witness how they harass people.
I would suggest that this estimate is grossly inadequate . And the idiot Brown says he will control immigration. Don' control it STOP IT
If you put a politically created debt based currency (the Euro) in the hands of a bunch of socialist politicians you will have a catastrophe. It would not surprise me in the least if the following were to occur. 1. The Euro fails. 2. MASSIVE civil unrest. 3. A new global currency introduced based upon SDRs or the BANCOR (to "restore order, bring prosperity" ) blah, blah, blah. 4. Cash removed as a means of payment. 5 Only electronic money valid as a means of payment: if you don't conform your card will be turned off. Not to mention your every transaction can be tracked at will. 6. Game over.
Who has the vision to repair the euro? A clairvoyant?
Even today, Maggie would do a better job than "our Dave".
Do we have to care about the Euro? It's doomed anyway, and it's getting boring all this banging on about saving it. Let's just put it out of its misery and move on. Who's for icecream?.
The DM asks 'Who has the vision to repair the euro?' What many would like to know, is who has the courage to scrap it!
The Chinese,Arabs
No-one has a vision for the Eurozone; but plenty have illusions. I fear that instead of an orderly break-up of the Eurozone, we shall see civil unrest on such a scale that it will result in a disorderly break-up. Either way, the E.U. will subsequently disintegrate; and no amount of talk of war from Sarkozy and Merkel will change that.
Britain has never had a compatable relationship with Jonnie Foreigner and never will. So get over it Cameron and move on OR better still move OUT
Totally agree - tying up a german racehorse to a Greek donkey is the best analogy for what has caused this ridiculous state of affairs to continue. The Racehorse though is almost ready for the knackers yard if they don't separate them quickly. Give Greece the old heave-ho with our blessing and let the other weak countries we continue to subsidise go the same way. Eventually we can join them!
who has the vision to repair the euro? The Voters
Are the Europeans responsible for fighting the illegal ones? Which corrupt politicians or Goldman Sacks or other golden boys have been to international court of Hague for their crimes and lies? As Aristotle said " money cannot creat wealth by itself" Do you want to punish pervert rich people who like other people in debt for them? Or you want heroin dealers free to promote heroin in tv commercials as Banksters do? You are always free to choose heroin or a loan after all, a tv commercial is not against your will.:)
I am sorry, the European Politicians are completely insane, 1 trillion Euros, think about it and think about the hardship that will cause where ever this money is to be dragged out of! If this money is taken from taxpayers, who are already paying for austerity measures, by loss of jobs, pensions, salaries and bailouts. There will be National Strikes right across Europe. this is mind numbing madness! This is going to implode! I am trying to assess this, as I think about it, it feels to me like the Roman Empire all over again, Caesar says, you deliver! Unreal!
Earth to the European Parliament, you have a problem and your first major problem is that as a result of severe austerity measures people are going to come out on strike en masse, as livelihoods, jobs and homes will be lost. Secondly:- 1 trillion Euros? where on earth is that money going to come from, private enterprise, stocks and shares? In your dreams! There is no way at the moment the private sector could raise this, it is in tatters. No, morons, you know fine well this money has to come from the taxpayers of France, Germany and the rest of the European Union and I suppose they think the taxpayers are going to fork out even more on top of the losses due to the austerity measures. You, bumbling, blithering, mind numbing, buffoons. This has more holes in it than a sieve and all this to spare the markets. What craven stupidity. I sincerely hope this does not fall on the taxpayers! If it does the whole thing will implode! There will be national strikes right across Europe.
Who has the vision to repair the euro - Shouldn't this read, who has the vision to end the euro?
Why does "call me dave" think anyone in the E>U wants to take any notice of what he says or does. He is a no body a has been. and should listen to the voters
Crafty Dave looks smug and quite right too. He's clearly just introduced Merkel to Hannibal Lecter! :)
Who has the vision to repair the euro?.............Enoch Powell - I think I am more interested in saving the pound.
We are only in the "Eye" of the storm within the next few years I think it will be the BRIC Nations that not only realign their own economies but Britain and Europe,s too. The "Dark Horse" is Russia along with its inter connected European Rail Network freeing the vast land locked Giant of its shackles,its underdeveloped Agricultural Sector (Northern Ukraine was once Europe,s bread basket, now its just a 'Basket Case'). Russia never had the American Catalogue Service via Telegraph,Post and Rail,it never had supermarkets like Tesco,Aldi,Carrefour,Asda Morrisons,and one would think Marks and Spencer or 'Spencerism' they also lost out on Advertising and Marketing let alone Insurance.So there is a great potential for European technique,knowledge and know how. Travel Tourism and Trade, maybe one of the European futures keys.Europe needs Russia and vice versa.America has been infatuated with the Far East for the last 100 years,so it is time for an economic rethink especially for Europe.
Patching up is not repairing anything, either countries can afford to be in the euro or they can't.
DIE euro just DIE will you.
This is all leading to single policy. Closer union with each other on all aspects of government, including taxes. With one master, Germany. Who will control the new EU bank that is coming.
Who in their right minds would invest in a country that has ties to a corrupt Super state with a dead currency? This madness should be stopped and every nation should go back to the currency of their choice. Who do you think would pick the Euro? which bye the way is a member of the Kangaroo family, say's it all really.
Blinded by their own bloated political egos they march towards the financial precipice like lemmings, because they do not want to face the truth that without fiscal union the Euro will fail. The greedy bankers who over lent to corrupt and inefficient governments now crow for us to bail them out once again. The only way forward is to do what the Russians did take the hit, yes it will be painful, yes it may last 2 maybe 3 years but growth will come from it. All were doing is throwing good money after bad. Time for that hair cut now emm a number 2 please
Certainly not Cameron. Zero vision, zero personality, zero confidence
Repair the Euro? What, by throwing even more money at a currency that is inherently flawed and therefore destined to fail anyway? I would rather see all of this frantic activity and staggering cost devoted to an orderly dismantling of it, not its continued existence.
Because the vision for the day after tomorrow is as plain as the nose on our faces. Fiscal union = political union = one stae, one government !!! And who in their right mind would get into bed with the French and Italians !!!
None of them, they're all tax and spend socialists. There is no hope until that changes. Cameron included in that statement BTW
Immigration 'boosted the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years' -------------------------------------- More like Immigration 'DAMAGED the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years.'
I think the only way to get on in life in Britain is be amoral and corrupt. Both Liarbour and the Connivers Government prefer to reward the immigrants, criminals and benefits cheats who know how to exploit the system. The average worker is subsidizing their shrinking wage and helping the rich criminal banker line their pockets. Why vote if governments don't listen and act. A wasted vote is better than a wasted government. The public needs to vote with their feet and call for a general strike and sack those in power.
When my mother immigated to the UK in the 50s she was coming to the mother country, she wanted to be like the people of the land she had admired. She (and I as a young child) encountered racism but this did not weaken her resolve and she put the abuse down to an ignorant minority. When in her late forties she was confronted by a group of racist skinheads she bravely stood her ground and displayed a manner that made her more English than her would-be assailants. Where we have gone wrong is pursuing since the mid-60s an ideology of multiculturalism instead of integration and assimilation. Its an ideology that all the main political parties signed up to reach a consensus to keep race and ethnicity off the agenda. The influx of immigrants in the last 15 years have produced communities that are just waiting to explode: immigrant against immigrant.
It's pointless going on about Labour when the Chief Donkey is rooting for Turkey and her 90,000,000+ those millions waiting patiently on her borders to be allowed in the EU, if that happens it will be a total disaster and we will be an Islamic country within 10 years of their membership, remember only 15,000 people from Poland were going to come here and we know what happened there, we are letting the idiots Westminster lead us into a nightmare.
And are we not all sooo happy now eh Labour? Immigrants who don't feel at home, and us who don't feel at home, sounds like some real achievement !! , Oh and Tony B Australia, were you or your parents ever an" immigrant", I mean in Australia? hmmm...speaking of irony, that's all...
Wanted a chicken snack, walked a round the City only Halal meat on sale in local take aways. I dont agree with Halal who do i complain too.???????
The number of people from minority backgrounds who live in England and Wales went up by 2.5million in eight years And yet the story regarding jobs going to immigrants states over 4 million jobs are held by the foreign born, so do most of these have 2 jobs or is the 2.5 million just a severe understatement?
The question following this article is, will the public vote BNP or UKIP, in their droves? the answer is still no. BNP are attacked daily for being "Fascist" and "Racist" as for UKIP their seen as a one trick pony, a upper class version of the BNP, these two parties are still the future of british politics, no matter what slur or non truth.
As I read this I can hear moronic, ill-informed liberals like Janet Ellis on "The Wright Stuff" bleating on about the numbers leaving being equal to the number of incomers and how the loosening of borders is a good thing. Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels yet idiots like her are allowed to broadcast this cr*p. All part of the drip, drip, drip of left-wing liberal lies that all the channels broadcast on a daily basis. As someone else opined, mass immigation is good for a wider choice of cuisine and a few handy sportsmen. On the downside...well, I only have just over 350 characters left - I'd need about 10x that amount just to write the introduction.
In America,all but a handful, they got rid of the indigenous population.You know how we just love to emulate the yanks!
All New Labour did was allow an out of control immigration service to spiral into completely out of control. Cameron's answer? Support Turkey joining the EU! Main parties are one and the same thing.
All the commentators here are united in their condemnation of the state of our country..and rightly so...we the indigenous population are being squeezed so money can be diverted to supporting our unasked for and unskilled influx of third world hungry mouths...But at every election we keep electing the same useless tripe on the basis of Buggins turn next...And while this useless elected tripe know they will always be elected..NOTHING will change..We have all been trained..if the EUSSR wants a Labour government next time..Millpond and the rest of his liars will promise a referendum on Europe..Knowing it,s a sure fire vote winner....only to ignore us once elected..Remind anyone of Call me Dave and his worthless referendum pledge?...
And filled the maternity wards.
It hurts, it really hurts! A government elected to serve ALL the people spent ALL their time in office improving their voting register. If only they had also been as successful in running the country as they were at looking after themselves. Stay in America please Mr Blair.
Immigration 'boosted the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years' With disasterous results for British society, social cohesion and the environment. Nearly every other island nation on earth has strict immigration and population controls except this disasteropus multi cultural socialist nightmare.
Birthrate is the 'elephant in the room'. Past immigration albeit at much lower levels created few waves because on arrival the immigrants integrated and adapted in many ways including the reduction in size of families to the local norms, Irish families are one example. So in general the numerical balance of indigenous to incomers was retained... Non EU immigration is different as few ever go home and many choose to continue their historic cultures even to the point of confining wives to the home when their only purpose is to raise children (everyone for which we pay - when we should limit payments to 2).. But 'we need young incomers'. No we don't all we need is to adapt - we are aging but getting fitter. With a higher retirement age and companies valuing over 50's many more will work. Less people require less nurses, doctors and teachers and I am sure we can survive on half the restaurants and takeaways that we have at present. Less racial tension, cheaper homes,empty roads - BLISS!
more mixed race babies? doesn't that mean that immigrants are intergrating? I see people complain about lack of intergration, surely this is a good thing? It's strange, i hear people complain about immigrants a lot, but also pretend that the can't talk about it - the Mail has an article most weeks, people comment on it. how come "ex-pats" are seen as brave english people leaving a sinking ship to go abroad, but people moving to the UK are seen as opportunist spongers? where is the difference?
most countries in the west have large minority populations. the west = money
If you have ever voted for any part of the LibLabCon, then you have voted for mass immigration and the EU, please Wake Up and support your own country for a change!
Anyone that is a member of a union and considers themselves to be low paid and working class should leave that union now. The leadership of the unions have backed the Labour party's policy on immigration wholeheartedly and are using the fees of members to further the cause of the Labour party and therefore to ruin the living standards of the low paid working class. Labour no longer supports the working class and actively derides them as lazy, workshy and poorly educated, ironically. I see the Marxist immigration deniers are bleating out their usual racist slurs and denials of immigration again. They'll be telling us next how we've all benfitted from mass immigration. Ho hum.
The LibLabCon idiots have brought an inheritance to future British generations they will curse them for
and what is cameron(blair) doing about it? nothing ,in fact he is making it worse by allowing eu migrants benefits and social housing as soon as they arrive and he said no more power to the EU the waffling liar,the fact is the ruling liberals(lib/lab/con) want high immigration for low wages and to silence the english working class so that ultimately we will be part of the EU superstate ,actions speak louder than words and the only action from torys is to give more to immigrants!!! R I P England.
It's strange - someone migrates here, they are assumed to either be on the dole or "taking someones job" they won't "integrate" despite working, possibly in the NHS or as a taxi driver or in a shop. If an English person migrates to say, Australia they are seen as a brave and clever explorer just trying to make a better life for themselves - you can see the posts on here from "ex-pats" who have moved abroad to Spain or Australia - but that's somehow different? bring on the red arrows!
Why is this allowed to continue????? It has to stop NOW, it is absolutely ridiculous, these people are coming here, they are then having children, they are using our healthcare system which is deteriorating by the minute. They are taking up school spaces and housing and demanding their own laws etc., and its the flaming taxpayers who are paying for them and don't even want them here. This has gone way to far, and I, with millions of others, have had enough. I am not racist, I have never been racist, but enough is enough.
People are too quick to criticise Blair/Brown. Both men attended top Universities and are very thoughtful - ali, Beckenham, 19/5/2011 8:29 Sounds like a damn good reason for reducing the number of people going to University then in case we inadvertently create any more Blairs or Browns.
It won't take 20 years for us to reach a population of 70 million - we already have a population of 70+ million. But the 'official' figures won't tell you that.
its not people coming here that people object to,its being taken for a ride when thay do come thats the scandle,thay should not be entitled to benefits or the NHS.thay should have skills a good education,a garunteed job to come to,and be able to speak english.what is the ldgic,of letting,poorly skilled badly educated,benefit dependent,none english speaking people into the cpuntry.
Sir Andrew Green of Migrationwatch said: ‘This is the legacy of Labour’s mass immigration policy now appearing in the official figures. They have, whether deliberately or not, changed the face of Britain. Stop wringing your hands trying to be 'balanced' It was deliberate, systematic and planned. It boils down to the following - if you used to live in a hovel in eastern Europe who would you vote for if the British government of the day gave you a house, money, a vehicle in some cases and free legal support to ensure you claim every benefit you're entitled to (even though you're not, in my opinion, 'entitled' to anything) Seems pretty obvious to me that if you were given those things by the criminal syndicate you would thank them by voting for them. This is one of the top three crimes of the socialist Reich along with the human rights act and their catastrophic spending policy. To think a British government would be happy to win an election off the back of foreign votes is a disgrace.
Lies Lies & more Lies!!!! The Puppets that are ruling us are just a front. The politics have changed in this country forever, the deed has been done stealthily as per with these sly charletons, They pulled it off nicely and made fortunes from it. The British people will now be paying long and hard for their privelidges. That is the real crime!!! we have been blatantly Lied to as a nation and told to shut up (PC) The whole fabric of our society has changed forever.We are all doomed now to a life of misery and hard work with no sign of things easing. Your call People!!!!!!!!!
Rupert Yorks,... and pray why do you think everybody is leaving the Country, Oh because we have become second class citizens in our OWN COUNTRY in fact i would go as far as to say we havent got a Country any more. thats why.
Those governmen supporters, and those who want no change in electorial reform, that still live in a relivant free from immigrant society, will find it too late to complain when reality reaches their door step. This article only refers to a legal count on immigration.
Instead of just talking about it when the hell are we going to stop it. Soon in this Country we will be walking shoulder to shoulder because there wont be any room to move.
Based on population increase in the last 55 years the true population of the UK is around 93 million a third being immigrants or children of immigrants, around 30 million in total, hence the UKs 4 trillion pound debt.
We must cut our population. We are an overcrowded country. Immigration must stop immediately and we should toughen up so we do not attract asylum seekers. We should also invoke a policy of deporting foreign citizens who have commited crimes, regarless of human rights.
Thanks labour for a country i did not want. Full of people who have no intention of integrating whatever you say or do. I suppose someone is going to have a gagging order placed on such information. Or is Sir Stanley Green going to be called a racist for saying what he did ? For labour read left wing comunism.There policies are designed to supress us all. This green and pleasant land is not green any more and most certainly not pleasant. Politics have destroyed it.
Erm I dont think boosted is the right word rather a big nail in our coffin.
Not only without the Consent of The British People, but entirely against their wishes! No British Government has ever been given the Consent of The British People to import a single immigrant or ''asylum seeker'. Referendum Now!
This was labours policy of ethnically cleansing whole areas of white English voters so making sure labour have majorities in certain places. Making sure the social underclass and immigrants replace their core voters who leave labour. I am surprised labour have not taken out a super injunction to stop all reporting of immigrations.
After so many promises when in opposition, the two problems worrying the majority of people - immigration and the bullying EU - are still being ignored by our inexperienced, schoolboy leaders. Cameron, when will you have enough courage to address these important issues?
I don't think "boosted" is the correct term!!!! Isn't boosted supposed mean helped or similar terminology????
GROSS IMMIGRATION FIGURES.... These are what will set the record straight. No more net immigration figures please. We begin to see the shocking lies and manipulation from Labour. No one voted for this. The vast majority did not nor do not want it. Close the doors.
Is this globalism - where national identities and native peoples are obliterated by waves of immigration. Is it right ? - and how many other nations in the world are slowly being consumed by different cultures? - answer None. Other countries preserve thair national culture and original peoples. In Britain and especially England, native peoples are treated as second class citizens.
top rated comment - talking about how you can't talk about immigration, while talking about immigration, in an article about immigration. seems you actually can talk about immigration....
No matter who you have voted for in the past and present. The truth is, all the incomers represent a vote in favour of the party in power. Hereby lies the reason for not closing the floodgates. Tom. - Forever the cynic -.
A subject none of the main parties would talk about before the last election. They brushed aside those of us who raised the issue as racist.
This HUGE issue is not about skin colour but the failure of millions of immigrants to integrate, or to conform to the best of British traditions, laws and culture which have been built up over more than 1000 years. The “quality” of immigrants has been uncontrolled - leading to an oversupply of unskilled or unemployed workers with no choice but to turn to crime or to survive on benefits to our detriment. The benefits system encourages this increasingly large “underclass” (regardless of ethnicity) to reproduce at an alarming rate. But the official figures now show the “numbers of white British people actually fell” whilst the “non-white British” (unfortunately mainly in the “underclass” category) increased by 2.45 million. Thus by 2009 (ie within a very short time period) they comprised 17% of the registered population. It is DISGUSTING that anyone who wishes to discuss or try to remedy the drastic effects of this is dismissed as *racist* or, even worse, censored by the media.
Fantastic. English food is revolting and the more immigrants, the better the variety of food. Open the doors wider I say, I'm hungry.
Immigration 'boosted the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years'....I prefer to use the word "overwhelmed".- Phil., Ardrossan, Scotland____________absolutely right but at least you live in Scotland where most don't choose to go. No wonder the Scot Nats are so anxious to achieve independence!
One word, UNSUSTAINABLE !
'Boosted' suggests 'enhanced', 'improved', 'bettered'....it didn't.
"Cheers Labour....if they EVER get back into power i'm off..." - Mark T, To be an immigrant in someone else's country taking a local's job? Oh, the irony!
"You all blame labour but the Tories are in favour as well, because it increases the competition in the jobs market and therefore drives down wages!" - geordie rebel Yes, as it says in another of today's Mail stories "Four times more jobs have gone to migrants than British-born workers in the last year, official figures revealed yesterday." and this is probably because immigrants will work for lower wages. And who benefits - not the Labour party, not ordinary lower paid workers, not trade unions, but big business. Which is why things are unlikely to change under the current government.
As long as people still vote for the LibLabCon Party then nothing will change. It will only get worse.
The strange thing is, after stories like this, you hear all these right wing racist idiots threatening to leave the country to become... gulp... yes.. immigrants! I wish they would leave.
Thats 1.7 million more labour votes.
Nice one.
UK... or more specifically England. Another reason for English independence.
Yeah 1.75 million frpm the Minisitry of Guessworks. There are probalby that number again plus the illegals. And frankly we are not interested in who's fault it was. The question is what do they intend to do about it. The answer of course is nothing.
Cheers Labour....if they EVER get back into power i'm off...
And the rest Gordon Brown's maths being used here
Please don't moan about this situation if in the last 15 years you voted for any of the 3 main parties.Everyone was warned about the situation this country would be in when liebore started swamping us with these people.
Is it possible for the DM to go a day without printing an Immigration scare story to pander to it's readership.
Wait for a million Turkish immigrants coming over here when they are allowed into the EU. Time to get out of the EU ASAP I think.
Immigration has no benefits whatsoever apart from giving people the opportunity to go for a Chinese, Indian or Thai meal. Immigration holds down wages by increasing the pool of people seeking work and encourages poverty. Big business benefit from lower wages and therefore higher profits and stockholders payouts. Who are the stockholders? The Tories. Ah, but what about the pension funds? The firms that run the pensions funds benefit from higher profits and larger stockholders payouts. Who are the stockholders? The Tories. Mass immigration we are told, benefits us...well what about their remittances home? Immigration places increasing costly strain on our infrastructure, eg NHS, not forgetting terrorism. The people responsible for all of this are Labour. They began their betrayal of the working class in 1948 and despite having numerous opportunities to do something about it the Tories never did and never will. Britain needs more money not more people. I voted UKIP.
Well done Labour and now the idiots who run the unions are crying out for strikes - bring back Maggie because the spineless people we have at the top now are certainly too frightened to say boo to a goose. I really despair for the future of my children and grandchildren in this country.
Labour should never be allowed near government again for this treachery.
Add in the uncounted illegals and that figure will probably double. We know that immigration at its current level is unsustainable but all Cameron does is huff and puff about it and then blame Labour. Well Dave you've been in charge for over a year so do something positive or hand your job to someone that will.
The unemployed of Britain are paying the price of uncontrolled immigration
It makes you want to weep.
is that 1.7 million more on the dole? and benefits?
What fools the trade union leaders are not only do they support the labour party encourage there members to vote labour, at the same time donate millions of pounds into the coffers of this party. They must have agreed with labour policies and now that the labour policies have come to fruition with the influx of millions of migrant workers, immigrants, asylum seekers, and tens of thousands of illegals all taking the jobs of British workers, British benefits, housing and over stretching the N H S to breaking point, They are now starting to complain that there members are being replaced by foreign workers. Ho dear how sad didn't see that coming. FOOLS lead down the garden path by a labour party that the British working class trusted. More fool them, and me for I was one of them before I opened my eyes and realised what was really happening. This is becoming something very sinister, very sinister indeed.
Thankyou for nothing LABOUR ! The least we see or hear from you the better !
All thanks to Tony Blair and his cronies!
And that is what they know about , I wonder how many they don,t know about?
It's the reason I'm in Greece. There are no jobs for us in the UK. Even my son and his girlfriend can only get part-time jobs and so we are having to support them from here. Meantime, the jobs they could have in cafes, bars and shops are taken by foreigners who are sending their wages back to their homelands. Money is pouring out of the UK in this way. Yes, the once Great Britain is now Little Britain. Our wonderful country has gone into reverse and will be nothing more than an overpopulated little island of poverty, begging help from the richer nations around it. Already, the nation can't even afford to raise the taxes it needs to run itself and is splitting its houses into tiny flats which is all the people will be able to afford to buy or to rent.
People are too quick to criticise Blair/Brown. Both men attended top Universities and are very thoughtful
"The number of people from minority backgrounds who live in England and Wales went up by 2.5million in eight years, figures revealed yesterday." And that is what has and is still placing unnecessary and unwanted pressure on all public services especially health, education and housing. So, thank you Labour for your policy of unfettered immigration that has and is ruining this country making England the most densely populated nation in Europe.
The majority of politicians are traitors and should be treated as such.
Well done Labour!! (please excuse the crayon - I'm not allowed to use anything sharp)
Let's face the truth. This is mass migration engineered by Labour to increase the Labour vote. It is in reality a kind of international breaking and entering.
matt, nz wrote: "Now do you see why I moved to NZ six months ago!!!!!!!!" >>> I wonder what the indigenous Māori's think about that...?????
We are now very much another over crowded third world country thanks to Labour ?Labour ,Blair obviously had the backing of large corporate business who , who love third world countries because they are easy to exploit. One of their tactics especially with the media was to smear all white working class people as rascists ,Labour and big corporate business and especially bankers have got very rich while the rest of us will get poorer and poorer. what ever your race , it be more people chasing fewer resources and the rich will controll everything more than ever.
At no time in recent history has any state undergone such a drastic population change as the UK has experienced in the past 30 years. And it has happened without any consultation or agreement with the majority population. It must rank as the greatest and most undemocratic peace-time betrayal of a nation's citizens ever to have taken place. Those responsible should hang their heads in shame. But of course they won't because they have achieved exactly what they wanted - their own British version of China's cultural revolution. For the once settled, native population of the UK it will prove just as disastrous as the discredited policies of Mao's Red Guards.
you only need to come into my town to witness this. Go round tescos and morrisons and you will be forgiven for thinking you are in a different country. some of these people are living rough and also living and sleeping in cars which the police cannot do anything because the cars are taxed. What a load of rubbish.
All you sleepy headed sheep that voted Lib/Lab/Con should stop your moaning, unless you wake up, and quickly this country is finished.
Thanks to Labour numpties who allowed unlimited immigration into this country during their time in office!
You all blame labour but the Tories are in favour as well, because it increases the competition in the jobs market and therefore drives down wages! Lower wages means more profits for their non tax paying, tory donating friends! Save Britain pickle a Tory!
If you keep voting for the three main parties you will be stacking your own funeral pyre. Nothing is going to happen until you vote for the British National Party. Your choice.
Immigration 'boosted the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years'....I prefer to use the word "overwhelmed".
It certainly hasnt "boosted "the economy or the jobs situation. Time to put a stop to more mass immigration, it is spiralling out of control and we are quickly saying goodbye to once Great Britain.
you had a chance to vote bnp or ukip so all you tory libs and labour voters stop moaning and enjoy your new neighbours,and good riddance i,m off.
Now do you see why I moved to NZ six months ago!!!!!!!! Are politicians listening or what?????? - matt, nz, 19/5/2011 11:02 LOL, did you ever think NZ is having a problem with high levels of immigration too? You left the UK because you didn't like how the country was being run, what makes you a better candidate for immigration than another person? If you don't like the way the UK is being run, do something about it, don't run away.. (I hear you all saying that everyday about North African immigrants) Hypocritical much?
"added three million to the population between 1997 and last year" An increase of 3 million over 13 years is about 231,000 per year. This is approximately the rate at which the UK population has been rising for two centuries. In the 20th century it went from 38 million to 60 million. Population growth is certainly not a new phenomena. I question if it really such a major problem.
"Boosted" makes it sound like a good thing !
1.75 million people.....all seemingly entitled to benefits, whether they've contributed or not. All entitled to free NHS care. Any kids involved will be entitled to child allowance and free schooling. Is it any wonder the country is almost bankrupt?
that will the classic duo of Tonee and Gordee with 13 years of catastrophy and chaos. And who is paying the price?
As the higher birth rate is also driven by immigration, with large families being the norm even among second generation migrants, the huge population increase in Britain's overcrowded islands is almost entirely down to this influx. Without it, our population would be stable or declining. The infrastructure is already inadequate, our roads congested and traffic jams an every day experience, huge swathes of new housing are being constructed across the little remaining countryside in the southeast, and neither health services nor social services can cope. More people is just what the country needs!
Find a Conservative mp with some steely backbone, and put him in charge of the party pronto.
UNACCEPTABLE
the last labour government sold the British people down the river, and the present government seem to have broken all their promises to sort the mess out.
'boosted' is NOT the word. A boost implies somethiing positive and what Labour have done for this country and it's dire immigration policies is far from that.
It will be amusing to read all the comments when I get home from work later, whinging and complaining no doubt, whilst forgetting that they are to blame by continuously voting for the same pro EU Lib / Lab / Con and their non immigration policies. You got what you voted for.
Anyone thought to ask our previous Labour government why they had this "open immigration" policy? Mr Cameron, it is time to turn the tide and stop this farce, sack at least half the Boarder Agency and staff them with people who will mean business then start with the home office "lefties". If this is not controlled now you don't need to be told of the consequences, look at the statistics.
But you'll STILL carry on voting for the Lib/Lab/Con! When will you realise they are just a differing shade of the same colour? EU blue!
nearly 2 million in 7 years....as I have been saying for years...the change in the way of life in this country within 50 years will be dramatic...and not for the good....
There will again be a deafening silence from he Lib/Dem/Con/Liebour over this there is nothing that can be done because of EU membership, we shall never get a Referendum from the three main parties because the EU is in effect a gigantic Job Creation Scheme for the Professional Politicians, Westminister is stuffed to the rafters with these people the liars and spivs will do do everthing to protect their interests no matter the cost to the rest of the population. VOTE UKIP
If the UK was a massive country I'd probably say "so what". BUT it's not. Goegraphically speaking we're a tiny, tiny, island that is now dangerously overcrowded.Just think about the problems this causes.For example we're experiencing a dry period at present so within a matter of weeks they'll be hose pipe bans because we don't have sufficient water to go around.Or if it does rain heavily we get floods because they've had to build on flood plains to provide housing for everyone. Would you keep on letting more and more people stay with you if you only lived in a small one bedroomed house ? Of course not. Yet somehow I'm a racist if I point out the stupidity of this nonsense.
With the Scots and Welsh wanting to break away will these also be classed as immigrants??legal or otherwise,if they do break away then they are not EU countries so the walls should be rebuilt.All those that claim asylum here having passed thro other boarders to get here should be sent back to the first countrythey entered on leaving their own
It's amazing and also sad the number of people who go from N.z. to the U.k.for a holiday,and return and say,from what we saw on holiday, Britain is finished. Quite sad really.
Quite apart from closing the ever open door to new immigrants, unless cultural diversity is ended and integration actively encouraged tensions will increase so much Britain will face some really big trouble eventually. You can shut people up with race laws but it still won't stifle what most think. That is the chilling prospect politicians simply will not face up to and do something about - now.
No British government cares a jot about immigration because the truth is that they are fully aware of EU plans to wipe us off the map. Under the guise of departments to ease 'trade' and with a budget of millions running to 2013, the plans are for the South Coast of England to be administered by France as 'part of the the Manche' (we used to call it the English Channel) region, Western England , and Wales, Ireland, will be part of 'The Atlantic Region' originally planned to be administered by Portugal, but they may be having second thoughts about that now, and Eastern England will come under the 'North Sea Region' administered by Denmark. John Prescott was busy working on all these plans when he wasn't chasing his secretary round the desk. The words England and Britian do not appear in these plans. These plans have not been in the news for a few years, but are still ongoing.
There has been a totally undemocratic plan to socially and racially re-engineer our civilisaton. This is high treason for which Brown,Blair et al should be held accountable. Many have previously been executed for infinitely smaller crimes.
If they are going to increase our population and thus our need for imported food then the least they can do is boost the size of our manufacturing base, maritime fleet and navy. Otherwise our leaders will leave us at the mercy of other nations; something that is bound to end in tears.
Don't expect the politicians to do anything, goodness, this has been going on since the late 1950s, the only difference is the % are getting higher. If you want it stopped you will have to get off your backside and protest on the streets.
Until a credible political leader comes along who can take the middle class with them this will go on. As long as it's just the likes of those numbskulls in the BNP then all this will go on. We wouldn't be the first to be wiped away. Students of history will know what the Ottomans did to the original Greeks. We twiddle our thumbs and one day we will just be a reference in a history book.
As for Andrew Green i do not think he is being very honest at all blameing Labour when they are no longer in Goverment yet for some reason he is ignoreing what tory boy Dave and his two bob coalition Goverment have done in secret deals which is allowing a extra 20,000 folk from India in each year in what was a secret deal struck last year 30,000 were let in these are numbers on top of the net capped figures we were told by Cameron im very very suprised Andrew Green has kept quiet about that something is clearly not right here!
Really sad, it's so wrong we have far too many immigrants here taking everything from our own people.
Ironic that Labour is screaming blur murder about the proposal to change the limits on constituents per MP, when they simply shipped a million voters in from all over the world. Undiluted cynicism on a biblical scale.
Yeah, Labour. Thank you Labour! Yeah, Labour this, Labour that. Do you see Cameron or Clegg proactively doing ANYTHING about this... what... no? Oops. The contradictions are killing me.
This article makes for very scary reading! I'm not at all surprised by these figures. With continued immigration and rising birth rates amongst these immigrants we will undoubtedly see this Country as we used to know it gone for ever. We didn't ask for this situation and we most certainly don't want it.
All the U.K Border agency need to do is contact Transport for London and investigate so called students with student oyster cards and the supposed places of education that they attend. Part of the problem solved pronto.
''Immigration 'boosted the UK population by 1.75m in just eight years''' How much did it boost the economy by in 8 years? How many went home after the 2008 crisis? I was also shocked by the numbers of immigrants in 2008ish, but if they returned home why are the Cameronites still banging on about a temporary state of affairs in which we did rather well out of in terms of cheap labour?
I had a sneaking suspicion ... ...
Is this a "progressive " policy as the "left" say?.Could be social engineering I suppose.Whatever your view labour have created a new group of labour voters by this action. Quite a smart move for the party I suppose..The tax payer will pay tyhe bill as usual.
OMG! RIP once GREAT BRITAIN!
Thank you to Labour ...and tyhe Tories are not far behind.....another disgrace...what are the minister responsible doing all day!!!?
Send all illegals back, stop all unskilled immigration from outside EU, restrict our obligation from within the EU. We are full up, have enough unemployed people and skint.
Labour sacrificed the working man and woman and ruined the economy for good measure. The beneficiaries were the thousands of economic migrants living the good life at our expense. Whilst you were denied a voice they sent our soldiers to die in the name of freedom. Lest we forget.
They should identify the complete idiots who allowed this massive abuse to take place (can you imagine how many schools and hospitals are needed to cater for such a mass infux of immigrants?) then thewy should be tried for a massive abuse of the human rights of the idigenous population. Who ever asked us whether we would want this disgraceful episode to take place?
WE KNOW! I wonder if the 'government' will figure out how to provide food when this lot have had 4 or 5 or even more kids a piece. Water supplies is another issue. Are you seriously going to let it continue ... or are you FINALLY going to tell Europe to get lost ... our country's full?
And according to the plan, they're all supposed to vote Labour.
I fear more tax rises ahead then. Let the world in. Let them take over our country then they can pay taxes to pay for me.
if the government quotes a figure of 1.75 million, you should triple it and add another third to come to the right figure! thats not including the illegals and so called asylum seekers and east european hanger ons!
Thanks Tony Blair. while you are making millions (literally) we are still paying off the debt you left us in!!!!
It seems like only yesterday that it was 1 in 10, now it's 1 in 6 apparently - my, how time flies when you're busy working and paying taxes. Looks like the future is going to be 'interesting', if a little crowded (if you think we've got traffic jams now....) , possibly a little tense etc. However, as the UK's finances are in such good shape (remember, our politicians have always told us that immigration would be good for the economy) I don't forsee any problems at all. Even if there were any problems the British people couldn't complain - after all they voted for it in every single election that they supported the '3 main parties'.
"The ONS said one reason for this was high numbers of African asylum seekers. Its report pointed to the effect of ‘international migration, in particular of people from African Commonwealth countries, and from citizens of African countries, notably Zimbabwe, Somalia, Eritrea and the Democratic Republic of Congo, seeking asylum’..." None of these countries border the UK. International asylum law clearly states that genuine asylum seekers should seek asylum in the neighbouring countries or a nearby safe one. They should not overfly or pass through many safe countries to reach the one that pays the most benefits. In these cases, they are bogus and nothing more than economic migrants. Thanks Lie-bour and the EU-SSR too!
im sure our mp,s are fully aware of the stats, as there fully behind such immigration, enrichment they call it .
And it's turned England into the most over crowded country in Europe, and that's official. Well done liebour you bunch of useless idiots.
I always thought that the Brits were kind of educated - maybe they are but the Labor party shows the ROW that the brains were on short supply, in that area...I pity Britain with all these extra folks to feed, house and keep in employment all at the cost of the natives - I guess...How very sad to have put others before your own family.
Warped 'race' legislation prevents me and the majority of British people from speaking the truth about the immigration invasion. Suffice to say that in countless daily 'discreet' conversations British opinion is expressed and what we are up against fully recognised. In my opinion it is unforgivable that 'Liebour' trashed Britain in this way and also a chilling thought that they would again accelerate this stampede if ever they returned to power. In my further opinion countless British people are awaiting a credible political force to grapple with this problem and salvage whatever can be rescued of the Britain we love.
Now do you see why I moved to NZ six months ago!!!!!!!! Are politicians listening or what??????
Yet another immigration report telling us something we already know, yet nothing is ever done about it!
So what? Populations/demographics continually change. Honestly, stop worrying about people's race and/or nationality and get on with your life. We are all but a BLIP in human history - love your fellow man irrelevant of his race or nationality.
thanks labour for bringing this country to its knees heres hoping you never get in again
In the 1950's Britain dismantled the Empire. In the years 2000-2010 NLabour dismantled whatever was great that remained of Britain. When a Government treats its country like a doss house then it comes as no surprise that its inhabitants will treat it the same way. A country without no borders is not a nation.
And yet, the selfish sheep who simply want the state to nanny them and can't consider the bigger picture beyond their state handouts will vote Labour in again in the not-too-distant future! The British people have brought this on themselves - Labour didn't magically get into power three times, did they?
Thank you Labour. You have destroyed Britain and replaced it with what???
Get a grip, enough racism for one week.
And it boosted the economy by what? Pretty near zilch! It's about time that those advocating immigration into this country are tried for treason, because that's what it amounts to. Can we start with Blair and Brown?
Never mind, they're all making a valuable contribution to the economy. They are aren't they?
I dont recall ever voting for this? Oh thats right, I never asked. Now were being told multi culturism is a failure, I'm glad they didnt rush into anything.
well thats just lovely isnt it!!! NOT
Whilst the stats on ethnicity are interesting, I think it sends a mixed message when they are such a prominent part of this article which is really designed to heighten awareness of immigration and birth rate of non-indigenous people. It's as if the DM is subliminely trying to have its reader associate skin colour with nationality whereas the skin hue of Brits has been changing for generations. I do find the amount of births (British children of course) to non-indigenous parents slightly concerning but only because the countries of origin of so many immigrants have such a culturally different ethos to the West. Multiracial, I find interesting and pleasant, multicultural is a ticking bomb within such a small geographical area as the British Isles. There is a huge distinction which this article appears to be blurring.
Its gonna end in tears!!!
It's what we already know, but politicians choose to ignore.
ZanuLabour have a lot to answer for.
whocares if mixed race people rise by 50% in 8 years? a million is a small number it just means people are marrying outside of there race which is good for integration. nor always want to marry in the same race group, you cant help who you fall in love with.
will the last one out please turn the light off? britain is finished
Blair/Brown project 1997-2010 through the consent of labour voters and trade unions.
Great.Typical Labour.We couldn't feed the 44 million we had during the last war.Famine ahead,folks.
Does that figure in our -4 when we emigrated? After all I told nobody we were going and I still pay income tax in the UK on a pension.
Bankers will always call the shots. Money screams far louder than anything or anyone else. They don't need to put themselves up for election either...
ref ...Bob PONTEFRACT......Nice thought Bob, but I'm afraid history disagrees with you......All the revolutions start out with the best of intentions and often led by the best of men, but such is the nature of things, those same men will be used by others with a different agenda; and thus the contamination of greed and power starts all over again...........''Same Soldiers....Different Uniforms''
KIngs,Queens,Presidents,Emperors,even politicians who think they have power are nothing. It is the invisible people who have the wealth in the world who have the power and decide the fate of all of us. If we like it or not we all bend to their will.
In truth, we are in danger of placing Banks and Financial-Institutions on the same level as 'Elected Governments', and as such, we may at some future date regret our lack of influence and control: It would appear that already these Institutions, on occasion, operate on the fringes of morality and perhaps even the Law, in-as-much, as this industry by its size and subsequent influence is often able to operate with a perceivement of impunity in spite of the constraints of Sovereign Governments; which no doubt, begs yet a further question of a degree of 'Complicity' behind closed doors.! This is a dangerous path that we tread in our reluctance to engineer much tighter controls, and I suspect that History may judge our lack of foresight in less than charitable scribe if not eloquence, befitting the betrayal of 'Democratic-Process'. Thus, speak no more of 'One-Man-One-Vote' and the illusion of equality: 'We are the property of the Fiscal-Kind'.....'HABEAS CORPUS'. (deliver the body to court)
"When are people going to have the intelligence to realise and understand that the time to dictate to the Banks was when they were being bailed out, not now. . All the flak being taken by George Osborne should be aimed at The Labour Party and Ed Balls in particular." "If Bankers still call the shots, it is because they hold the trump cards: the Exchequer needs revenue; and we need to keep the Banks in business here. Part of a loaf is better than none!" Two basic truths.
The government & Bank of England can raise money as cheap or cheaper than anyone else. The country owns 83% of RBS/Natwest & approx 50% of Lloyds. Why can't these two huge vehicles borrow money at current 3 month Libor - 0.8% then offer credit cards at 8%, loans at 5%, mortgages at 3% easily undercutting Barclays 19%, 11% & 5% yet still making a huge profit for both the shareholders and the UK tax payer shareholders. They could have current & deposit accounts paying 2%, lend to deserving job creating, UK tax paying, qualifying businesses (not huge Kraft Cadbury type asset strippers that destroy jobs). We could have a bank owned by and run for the benefit of the whole country not to just some elite parasites like Varley or Diamond. They could offer real choice on pensions & life insurance that are not dodgy & loaded with small print and fat commissions. Is it true that private is best? Look at energy companies, banks, utilities then tell me that they offer the best solution?
When are people going to have the intelligence to realise and understand that the time to dictate to the Banks was when they were being bailed out, not now. . All the flak being taken by George Osbourne should be aimed at The Labour Party and Ed Balls in particular. . Unless countries can act, or do act in unison world wide, there is little that can actually be achieved. . . The best weapon against any Banks and Banking is either high inflation, or deflation that threatens to devalue that that any of their loans is secured against . . Inflation threatens to devalue their Stock in Trade and the currency they hold for their clientèle. If governments could raise MLR, but restrict their lending margins we might start to see a more cooperative Banking industry. . We had a once in a generation chance to really put the squeeze on the banking sector at the time of the crash. . But the Democrats in the USA and EU and Gordon Brown blew it!!
Cameron and Osborne promised to fix Broken Britain before the Election. The bit that urgently needs fixing is the Finance Sector and the Bonus System which caused the Banking Crisis. However Cameron and Osborne have asked the Banks nicely to behave in a responsible way and have been told to get lost. Surely these rich parasites should get no bonuses until the bail-out money is repaid and they should be forced to make ends meet on their stratospheric Base Pay. How do surgeons, inventors and Professors manage to do their jobs on normal salaries without bonuses? Finance could be broken beyond repair even by Dave and George the New Chuckle Brothers.
We don't need complicate laws to control the banks, just simply separate the retail from the casino idiots so they may never again gamble with our money and future. At present they are to big to fail. The spivs and red braces brigade must be separated from Mr. Manwaring. Investment bankers are nothing more than street corner bookmakers, and with less intelligence.
We all need the banks. Just hot air, George. You cave in.
If Bankers still call the shots, it is because they hold the trump cards: the Exchequer needs revenue; and we need to keep the Banks in business here. Part of a loaf is better than none!
The REAL scandal is what George Monbiot revealed in the Guardian on Monday about Cameron's plans to allow large foreign companies to move their money over here without paying tax on it -- turning UK into a tax haven to rival Switzerland, meaning that banks and large corps like Vodaphone (small ones won't be allowed) will pay significantly less tax. It will also encourage UK companies to move their operations abroad to save tax, costing thousands of jobs. This is immoral and this robbery is set to happen in broad daylight. Monbiot calls it "a semi-criminal money-laundering economy" and the "heist of the century". I urge you to read the article. - Michael Powell, Cheddar, 10/2/2011 06:41 ( copied from Steven Glover's article ).
When the banks do well. WE, do well. When the banks do badly, WE do badly. Coincidence. I don`t think so.
If these enormous bonuses are not earned as I and the government suspect, tax such bonuses as unearned income at 99 pence in the pound, sorted!
This may seem naive, but is it not the case that the Chancellor holds the shares in RBS and Lloyds on behalf of the nation. As the majority shareholder this should give him the power to sack the existing board of directors if they decline to operate as he requires. Can he not just go ahead and create a Board of directors who will carry out sensible lending and pay a fair rate of interest to those of us who are prudent enough to save some money?
Because they are cheaper.
"why are the dancers foreign". Isn't it be law in this Country these days - foreigners first, second and third and ..........!- Susan , Birmingham...............................Cannot believe you have been red arrowed for telling the truth.
"why are the dancers foreign". Isn't it be law in this Country these days - foreigners first, second and third and ..........!- Susan , Birmingham...............................Cannot believe you have been red arrowed for telling the truth.
I have no idea. I never watch it.
More to the point, why are the "celebrities" who compete in one of the BBC's most popular shows all taken from the Z list?
Sorry but Slovenian war, that only lasted 10 days and had almost no casualties has nothing to do with this story :) I am, however, glad our dancing talents are being recognized...
Why are nearly all Strictly's dancers foreign? because England is full of foreigners , welcome to England 2013
erm Susan it's probably because they're better dancers!
Maybe Britain don't have any dancers good enough. Its a bit like football. The UK is not able to produce many players who can match the skills of players from other countries.
Let me guess...is it because us Brits are too lazy to dance? as well as work here??
Dancing expresses your passion and drama. We dont have very much of either one... but we sure know how to queue and be 'politically correct'.
I don't care where they're from, I won't be watching this year, because I can't stand Vanessa Phelp. She's totally ruined it for me. :(
I believe in choosing people from these shores first for employment but if they can't work hard or do the job properly - which sadly seems far too common - go for those who can. If these dancers have trained & worked to get to where they are good for them.
Susan from Birmingham. Well said.
Just like the rest of the country then !!!
Because it hard to find an English person in England now-a-days!
What's wrong with them being foreign? Get over it.
Because British kids believe that all you need for fame and success is tattoos, piercings, a bizarre haircut and the ability to says things like "OMG i'm like so buff innit". Eastern Europeans are prepared to put in the hours.
How about Strictly wants the best and dancing is HUGE in these countries. How about there being an added incentive to work at it to perhaps escape a less privileged background and travel the world (see tennis too). How about Bruce actually practises saying the contestants' names instead of making a joke out of them?
Hard work, discipline, very limited booze. I don't think we need to investigate further.
They don't cost as much as the home grown talent.
Why are nearly all Strictly's dancers foreign? Because they can dance better?
Bring back Flavia -- va va va vooom!
Because the english "working" classes are too comfortable and content in their council houses, with their tax-credits, dole, housing-benefits, etc. They don;t need or want to make any effort at anything.
Who cares where they are from as long as they can dance?! - Jake , Stockholm, 13/9/2013 23:50 Is that the same for all the other foreign workers in the UK then?
It's obvious from the story why they are not British. The foreign dancers needed to work hard and excel in order to enjoy a decent living standard and get out of poverty - they had an incentive. Most young people in this country have no incentive to work at all, they know that the state will provide, just as it does for their parents and grandparents.... Historically the British have been hard workers and innovators, now we are just lazy shirkers, made stupid with dumbed down exams, lack of discipline and living off benefits. This is the great socialist plan, made possible by the last government, who rewarded failure and legislated against those who wanted to work hard and be successful.
To normalise that we are all Europeans - that way we sign up to what the powers that be really want.
"This colourful ethnic mix compares starkly with early seasons of Strictly, which first hit our screens in 2003. For the first two years, half of the professional dancers were British." Who would have thought a picture of 1 black guy with 5 white people could be captioned this way?
easy, it's the same for all UK employers.. take a local person, they can be unmotivated, have a stinking attitude, excessive sense of entitlement not commensurable with their ability and position, smoke and drink to excess to the detriment of their working day, overweight, lazy, stupid, feckless.. is it any wonder they go overseas for their employees.. and I can give numerous examples..
Love the comments hope your jobs are safe from foreign workers , complain and care then wouldn't ya,
No surprises there then, most of the country is now foreign, so what's new.
British girls would never dream of wearing such skimpy costumes......oh, hang on a minute.
Strictly British
Why can't my favourite, LILIA KOPYLOVA come back and grace our winter screens, she was the best ever.
They are gorgeous, talented and hard working. Their ethnicity isn't important. It is a television show. They attract the best of the best.
i wonder if they struggle to teach, i guess it would depend on how good their english is
We have some of the best dancers in the world, and the BBC should be made to offer these plum jobs to them FIRST, before offering them to these unknown to us, dancers! Have a look at the names on the BBC news channel, the majority of them come from foreign parts, the amount of Scottish people being employed is unbelievable too.
You got to be small minded to watch that rubbish!!!!
The Leftists that run the BBC like diversity, which basically means supplanting English people with foreigners.
Who cares? The guy from Slovenia is mega hot!
From what I`ve seen Brucie has difficulty pronouncing his own name.
BUT foreigners are just meant to stay in their countries and wait for us to go on holiday there so they can serve us something...............why don't they realise this?
Even if they were English Dancers, Bruce would have trouble with their names. GOD knows he probably has trouble remembering his own,
This percentages probably reflects the percentage of foreigners taking all jobs in the UK. Why should it be a surprise.
To be honest, none of the names are that difficult once you've been told how to pronounce them and practised a few times. The spellings are unusual i you're reading them on paper without having heard them out loud, but the sounds aren't difficult to make once you've memorised them. Says a lot about how much Brucie interacts with his colleagues, that he can't even confidently pronounce their names. And even ignoring that, if Brucie was as much of a presenting professional as he thinks he is, he would have learned to say them properly before the show.
Sport! Since when is ballroom dancing a sport? Great work BBC, hand out all the jobs to foreigners. Such a patriotic institution.
Forsyth cannot pronounce English names either or even words. He's just incompetent. Don't make excuses for him.
Judging by the numbers of fat girls wadling around the streets of the UK, this should not be surprising.
"Foreign invasion?" Really?!?? Wow! All I care about is that they can dance. They often come from different countries, so nothing new this year. Just Bruce being an idiot and the shallow viewers stating a racist fuss over nothing!
So - why *are* nearly all Strictly's dancers foreign?
I don't care one hoot where they come from - I don't watch this crap anyway. Like Brucie the show is past it's sell by date.
Not remotely interested in the dancers or the celebrities taking part. Saturday night tv is a big turn off these days!
They have all the other jobs, so why not.
this article is so nationalist! Shame on you! The reason for professionals being "foreigners" in Strictly is because they are the best dancers out there which British clearly aren't. Simples.
its a no brainer, No British Dancers, then Scrap the program , we the British Tax payers pay for the program through our TV licence, Why not make a program about outer Mongolia horse painters. that's British init. Der
"Why are nearly all Strictly's dancers foreign?" Well if we think about it in a non-racist, logical way. The UK is a tiny Island so it make perfect sense that the majority of people do not come from the UK. "Strictly's dancers are selected on dancing skills and "star quality" , not the country of origin
Any excuse to bash BBC. Daily mail we already get it you are not best friends
How badly photoshopped is that couple on the left? She's defying the laws of gravity and sitting on thin air!
Oh come on it's the BBC they will always use foreigners before Brits as they do with using Northern sounding presenters before even considering a southerner.
why are the dancers foreign" - Perhaps it's because they're good dancers.
Because they are passionate about dance......and life. because they work hard to be good at something. Because they believe in themselves and want a future fulfilling their potential. Because perhaps their parents expected them to do something oher than get pregnant, eat takeaways and spend thier lives on a mobile phone.
Its because the BBC hate's Britain and the British people.Just like Call me Dave, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Con/Lab/Lib parties they all hold the British people with equal contempt.
The answer is in the article. Mostly they're from poor background and/or countries so the dancers concentrated on their training in order to escape and make something of themselves as they had few other options. My dance teachers told me years ago that it was difficult to retain and train British students for the same reason.
youngsters in today's Britain are not taught ballroom dancing - not like yesteryear - today's Britain has discos - so it is no surprise they cannot perform all these traditional dances - don't blame the youngsters for our loss of culture!!!
Why are most of the English football teams full of foreign players?
Because being a good dancer takes years of discipline and effort which British youngsters seem not to want to put in these days! In any case it is fitting that they scour the world and find the best people for this job, regardless of where they are from.
They're cheaper !
leave bruce alone hes the best thing in this program he allways includes the children at home my 5yearold loves him, so what if he cant pronounce their names,loads of other presenters mispronounce names dont even think about getting rid of him,the bbc needs to treat him with more respect considering the bad reputations of past celebrities, bruce is a credit to the show and treasured by most of britain and hes hillarious,the show would not be the same without him.
There are some amazing British dancers but they don't match the bbcs visual requirements. Go to any open British championships and you will the talent. Unfortunately the children inspired by strictly won't be ready to be a professional for another 15 years
Does any one care about this dreary show.
I wonder if they have "Strictly Come Dancing"in Eastern Europe,where the dancers are British.Thought not.
"No wonder Brucie can't pronounce their names!" Time Brucie went . . . please.
Dance isn't exactly encouraged in our schools - unlike other forms of physical sports. Dance is an exercise for life and a great social skill.
A shame that after 10 years of Strictly there is no British talent coming through.....................
Where's the stool in the first picture? Photoshopped out? The girl on the left is balanced impossibly on her partner's knee. She was surely seated in the original.
British licence payers money pays for this an no British dancers.
Can you imagine a British child/teen being encouraged to excel in a physical activity? Maybe in childhood but not beyond. The school would probably tell them to stop it to ensure they got those all important Cs, waving Daily Mail articles about how 'overstretched' and tired children are by a couple of extra curricular activities.
Love you Brucie, but your time is up. Its all got slightly cringeworthy watching you. A shame but there it is. You should hang up your shoes voluntarily rather than give the producers a terrible decision to make.
its actually quite rude that your are basically discrediting their dancing ability and laying the fact that they are chosen on their heritage rather than the fact that they can actually dance their socks off and have trained really hard and long in a gruelling and competitive sport. you train the hardest you get the furthest. why dont you make an article saying why arent OUR ENGLISH PEOPLE getting the roles because that's what you REALLY mean dm. stop trying to bring immigration tensions to strictly.
Don't hear you moaning about Tesco.
Perhaps because they do dance professionally and ooze charm and sex appeal, which to be honest, is a staple of Latin dances. But they are also superbly trained and even the article states that ballroom experts put this down to the struggling performance of the UK on the professional circuit, which means UK dancers are not on par with them. As to the pronunciation of names, it does help if you speak other languages, but I'm sure the cue cards could have the names phonetically printed for easier pronunciation. And, sorry to say this, but Bruce's age could also be a problem.
Slovenia was not invaded by the Yugoslav army. Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia and was part of the Yugoslav army, so some wanted to stay in Yugoslavia and others wanted independence. The issue was resolved in 10 days and there was no war. I understand you want to make it seem more interesting, but aren't reporters supposed to report facts?
It all about 'sexing' it up, there are some excellent British dancers, but they have all been dropped in favour of younger models, typical of the BBC, you could say.
Why are nearly all strictly's dancers foreign?? It's because we are weak as hell regarding immigration!! That's why!! UKIP!!
The BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation, funded by BRITISH tax payers should be employing BRITISH dancers. We have plenty of top rate dancers in this country but the BBC would rather pay idiots like Bruce Forsyth a fortune to bumble his way through the programmes, and all the stupid 'skits' they have during the series, than pay for British dancers - I'll bet the dancers from overseas are paid a lot less.
My sentiments exactly. I am absolutely sure we can have good dancers here as well. But nobody is interested in funding the talented people or this sport.
In Germany, most 15- and 16-year-olds do a ballroom dancing course. It's part of growing up and going to social functions. I was most surprised when I found this out when teaching at a school here more than 20 years ago. There are dancing schools all over the place. Meanwhile in Wales, my sister wanted to do a ballroom dancing course but her husband completely refused to accompany her. In the UK, ballroom dancing is seen as something cissy. And yet, for men, it's the best way to get their hands on a woman. And good sport, too.
In Eastern Europe dancing is very much a cultural thing and even in schools the kids are taught to folk dance, go to any local event and its rare not to see everybody dancing to music. We used to have this in England until somebody decided it would offend an ethnic class and the kids would be best sitting in front of the TV instead.
And from where did the Yugoslav army invade Slovenia from when Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia !
Surprisingly positive comments -So it's ok for foreigners to work here then if they provide entertainment but not ordinary workers in factories and farms?
This isn't because we don't have great dancing talent in the UK. It's the same as the ridiculous pay we give to footballers. They sign on foreign players to get their home countries to follow the club and buy their overpriced merchandise. Exact same her. they will sell the program world wide. Its all about money people as usual.
The simple answer to that is because they are the more talented dancers. Why does it matter where they come from?
Most English girls are sitting in McDonald's or the pub most of the time!
The BBC employing British people before foreigners....you're joking, that's not their plan!
British dancers, a bit like British footballers, think their good but really aren't!
They obviously have to be good enough to partner with people with no dance experience, so why not hire the best regardless of where they're from. The show would be a disaster if these stars were paired with mediocre dancers.
Obviously these are some of the jobs Brits don't want - they are after all menial pointless jobs with a take home pay less than you can get on benefits.
Why do you think? Our country promotes garbage and all the dancers move into stripping now.
The US has a Brigham Young University dedicated to dance and Corkey Ballas with I believe over 100 dance teachers using its 64,000 sq foot Dance City USA dance studio. Also you will find that most USA couples have at least one former eastern block member? I believe in some of the Russian schools one couple pay for the dance lesson and all the rest teach the ones below them the steps taught in that paid lesson. This is interesting because there would be no resemblance to what was first taught by the time it reached the third or fourth layer, but there would be some new and interesting versions!
You would think that with the boom that Strictly gave to the dance studios up and down the country that their would be plenty of top UK professional competitors. "Their is no shortage of talented dancers or coaches in the UK" medalist schools up and down the country can produce the basic talent required. One of the fundamental problems is costs! Costs for the promoter for running a competition, costs for the dancers to the sum of up to 30,000 a year "each", to compete at a high level! These problems were there 20 years ago when there was more money around! The structure and social standing of the ballroom studios have not changed in 40 years. In Germany and Japan they have the same social standing as a Golf club (more money) and that is what we are up against. Your right about one thing in that a lot of the Russians have got here on raw talent and blood and guts and deserve their place. Maybe some other ex competitors could give their reason why they stopped?
As an American woman, living in London, this show is my guilty pleasure even though i know it is garbage. I was an accomplished cancer in my younger days and could have turned pro had I not gone into law. But as to why all the dancers are from overseas, well dancing takes hard work and dedication from a young age, something the Brits are rather averse to! A good dancer also has to eat healthy and stay off the drink, The chip eating, binge drinking Brits will only ever be able to do a joyless two-step on the disco dance floor at best. Still it is still a fun show to watch.
Why are they not British? Ask Jamie Oliver, he'll tell you ...:-)
"why are the dancers foreign". Isn't it be law in this Country these days - foreigners first, second and third and ..........! - Susan , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 14/9/2013 00:07 A completely irrational and a reactionary comment .. There's a time and a place to debate about immigration ...
Just the same as the premiership football teams...
... Saleries ...... !
"foreign invasion"? This site makes me sick sometimes.
Probably because dancing like this is far more pursued in Eastern Europe.
Is it not strange how readers are rarely allowed to make xenophobic comments , but when the DM wants to write such an article ....well , that's ok , is it not ?. Either stop writing such articles , OR publish what readers really think.
cause they are cheaper to pay!
I completely understand the reason why most of the professional dancers are foreign. They are the only ones prepared to go through the hard training needed to get to the top of their professional. They do this because they love what they are doing. The British don't have this work ethic, they are happy enough to be mediocre and yet expect a high paying job. A lot like the British footballers.
They are not foreign! British people in the UK are the foreign these days...
I really hope "Brucie" can t say the names and retires at last as his tired old jokes and fake personna make it essential to record the show and fast forward past him.Surely the bbc could save a fortune on his salary and after getting rid of Arlene Philips and replacing her with a younger {and pretty useless} judge how is he still blundering on???
Most professional dancers would probably work for nothing on strictly, purely to make their profile bigger.
Not every country view males or females dancing as something to be ashamed of . Dancing is still very much part and parcel of many cultures and traditions in the world where heritage means something . We are a lost nation .We reward mediocrity these days!
I wish that someone would teach Tess how to say Ola's name, after all the series, she still insists on calling he Oh..Lar, Grrrr that is so rude and ignorant!
Can't wait to see the comments here tomorrow lol.
It's like Britain's got talent. another show I will never watch it again after Hungarian shadow dancers Attraction won it, just Another kick in the teeth for the British
Where is the English ones?
The foreign dancers are go gorgeous and if possible they should make Flavia Cacace a judge is that also too hard to pronounce
Another pointless reason for BBC bashing by daily mail without actually researching why they hired foreign dancers if BBC had spent thousands hiring local dancers it would headline news outrage perhaps the dancers they chose look better on tv not busy stuffing their face in Mac Donald's go figure.
I think its nice seeing people working so hard to get to whwre they are. Well deserved i say
Why are they not English, because you need more than an Iphone to learn to dance and it takes hard physical work, definitely not on the english school curriculum!
"why are the dancers foreign". Isn't it be law in this Country these days - foreigners first, second and third and ..........!
Because countries like these always excel at such things, same as gymnastics and similar disciplines. They are trained by the best from such young ages that when they get older they become some of the best around. Why should it even matter where they're from?
WHO. CARES. NOT ME.
Most dancers come from very poor countries - it's their only way out. Although, many don't make it to a glitzy life and often the female dancers are sold into prostitution.
Who cares where they are from as long as they can dance?!
I often wonder just where do they find these judges? Some are predictable, ANY judge will be outraged at someone who disrespects a court, by lying under oath! To a judge it's a challenge to their authority, how dare they, don't they know who he/she is? So that's why the Huhme's were heading for jail, irrespective of who they are, or the relative unimportance of the crime? As for the thug Hayden, why should any judge give a toss about the working classes beating the crap out of each other, set him free? Then of course we have Danny nightingale, war hero or not, judges will not tolerate the lower classes being armed! They could use them to commit crimes (he didn't of course, but he MIGHT have) and they could use them to shoot officers of the LAW, (the police) or even worse, use them on the people who rule over them and instruct them how to live and behave, (Judges) No, no, no, we cannot have that, off to prison with him and count himself lucky that the death penalty has been abolished
The Judiciary is not fit for purpose. The criminal court lets people off that clearly should be incarcerated and compassion in in short supply for those who should be given a second chance.The civil family court takes away the children of "dysfuctional" families who research states would be better off staying at home in both the short term as children and the long term as adults. Social workers should redifine their roles and help support these families instead of their current mindset to punish percieved failings leaving broken families in their wake. If parents are accused of harming their children it should be dealt with not in closed family court but in an open criminal court with a jury.
If a judge dishes out a sentence less than the tariff, then, if the let off criminal commits another crime within the outstanding time of the tariff, the original judge serves the same sentence given for the new crime...... so if a judge lets someone off, he is equally liable for any new crimes, as he has aided and abetted ...... he wouldn't put so much faith in the guilty then!!!
It is quite obvious from the ridiculous and extremely varied sentences handed down that the whole legal system is not fit for purpose. It needs someone to spend time investigating what is going on and making sure judges are fit to be on the bench. Isn't that what we pay our politicians for? This is the sort of thing we pay them for and all they do is look after themselves and think of ways to make more money for themselves.
"... pre-order.."? When did this ridiculous American expression become accepted in the UK? Can an item be post-ordered? It's either ordered or not as the case may be... The 'pre-' prefix is redundant.
Heroes or not, many soldiers suffer trauma on leaving the forces and a high percentage are convicted of violent offences. Nightingale is a highly trained assassin who 'forgot' he had an unlicensed illegal weapon AND 300 rounds. Before I am red arrowed ask yourself would you like this time bomb as a neighbour? I am sure Danny is a perfectly nice bloke but we cannot know the effect war had on him. Above all else he knew the rules - prof , Essex, 16/3/2013 10:12................ I would welcome Danny Nightingale as a neighbour and I would be delighted if he had his pistol in his possession. SAS men do not need firearms to do somebody serious mischief. I'd be pleased to buy him a drink.
There certainly is something rotten about British justice. Huhne's sentence was about right (although why is it being touted that he will be out in 2 months?), Danny Nightingale should never have been taken to Court, and Toby Hayden should have been given 10 years.
Platell, you must have missed quite a bit of the Simon Cowell wedding. He wasn't marrying David Walliams. I'm not sure how you think it's free advertising for Cowell as they played on the majority of his 'stars' flaws, personally I thought it showed the shallowness of the Cowell train perfectly.
Yes, 8 months does seem excessive for lying about penalty points. However, Huhme lied and lied and lied again about this occurrence. He was a member of the cabinet, so it follows that if he could lie so many times about his speeding points what else was he lying about. People in high places, rightly or wrongly, we do expect better behaviou from and they cannot be allowed to get away with such actions. Also he fooled the voting public at the General Election that he was a family man and promptly left his wife ! How many lies did he tell us about those pesky windmills and green taxes ?
Is there really anything more unfunny than Comic Relief? I am sick of so called celebrities exhorting us to part with money. They make a big thing about giving their services for nothing, they fail to mention the value of the free publicity to further their careers. Last night I watched the following being unfunny. John Bishop Lenny Henry James Gordon and Michael Macintyre, (usually one of the best comics around) asking a question then butting in before anyone could answer. Funny for Money was hardly the right title
We are not going to fix this problem of ludirous sentences until we come up with a mechanism (that works) for getting rid of incompetent judges and magistrates.
Keep the Danny Nightingale story in the public eye. He has been treated appallingly. How can Pippa be a liability to the Royal family? She is not a member of that family. Fergie was married to the Queen's second son. There is a huge difference between the two. Apart from anything else Pippa looks good in whatever she wears and has never made a public spectacle of herself. This is just another excuse to 'bash' the Middletons. It is becoming very tedious and annoying especially as it is all down to the media who report her every move..
Heroes or not, many soldiers suffer trauma on leaving the forces and a high percentage are convicted of violent offences. Nightingale is a highly trained assassin who 'forgot' he had an unlicensed illegal weapon AND 300 rounds. Before I am red arrowed ask yourself would you like this time bomb as a neighbour? I am sure Danny is a perfectly nice bloke but we cannot know the effect war had on him. Above all else he knew the rules
'....Pippa is fast becoming a greater royal liability than Fergie...' No, don't agree. Fergie was and is a troubled woman. Pippa is one tough cookie and knows exactly what she's doing. The Middletons are up to the fight, no doubt about it.
And a two people get jailed for lying about penalty points 8 months each. It costs a fortune sending people to prison. Especially for an offense so trivial. Judges are to old, and out of touch to make decisions that are in anyway fair. - A.SUBJECT , LONDON, United Kingdom, 15/3/2013 23:10.......They weren't sent to prison for lying about penalty points. They were sent for perverting the cause of justice, One of them intended to help write the laws that YOU will have to obey. He also cost the taxpayer a fortune in court costs, by repeatedly insisting he was innocent, before finally realising the game was up and admitting his guilt. The other pleaded not guilty to an offence she knew she'd committed, attempting to blame her husband for her law-breaking.
Re: Gwyneth Paltrow - I banned carbs and lost 6 stone. Enough said. Oh, and then I achieved an Honours degree, narrowly missing out on a First. Didn't adversely affect my brain's ability.
It's the Judges who need judging in our post code lottery courts!
We all know that Britain will not be standing in line to sue America, no matter what.
They thought they were above the law and got what they deserved.
Justice in this country is all about money,if you got the clout you can do ought.Big companies, government even royal societies think they have the right to be right all the time.Take the right to defend your home.You can defend it to the death of the agressor no problem he,she as no value, yet defend your pets,livestock even the songbirds in your garden from a aerial predator and their is hell to pay.
Amanda your column started off very well, until your childish, nasty and (as the Americans would say) mean-girl remark about Sarah Jessica Parker. Why do you have to make such a personal attack like that? What has warranted it? Either you are a serious political journalist with something of substance to say or you are a columnist for one of those low-brow magazines like Closer or Now, which one is it? I used to enjoy reading your column but over the years it has gone down to the lowest common denominator, with disgraceful the way you insult and ridicule people, especially those who are not running the country or have no financial and/or political influence here. It seems you have a 'On whom Shall I Pour Scorn' list (names being Alesha Dixon, Fergie, now SJP).
We are now completely governed and controlled by people who have no connection with the wider society whatsoever. I have given up completely !!!!
Totally agree with you A.SUBJECT......I'm sure the penalty points were among the very least of the sins of politicians(and their crimes) over the past twenty years...or more. The law is,indeed,an ass.
And a two people get jailed for lying about penalty points 8 months each. It costs a fortune sending people to prison. Especially for an offense so trivial. Judges are to old, and out of touch to make decisions that are in anyway fair.
Maybe it was love at first sight?
Don't get me started - after 38yrs of working without a break I'm still struggling to keep a home (mortgaged) & pay for the upbringing of my 3 girls. So some foreigners abuse our hospitality?? (words fail me) but what about our home grown scammers!!. I live on a private estate which has seen owners move on & rent out to the highest bidders (large family unemployed DHSS people whose ferel upbringing drags us all down to their vile levels). What's the incentive for hardworking people to try & achieve a decent standard of living? Politicians - which ever political persuation you have, sort out those who invade our shores ASAP but more importantly, sort out once & for all our own spongers who will one day bring this once great country to it's well worn knees.
I am Czech, hard working, paying taxes and deeply ashamed of my fellow citizens' criminal activity. These people always look for easy money and when caught they claim their human rights have been violated, and in what poor conditions they lived back in Czech Republic. Shame really
Well done all LibLabCon voters. You are gutless, gullible morons. Witness Mr Cameron's desperation to get Turkey - population - 77 million into the EU.
Isn't the immigration and border agency really a gesture agency. Catch a few illegals every now and again to keep people quiet? A camouflage?
Ok.....so why don't the Home Office or Immigration Service, issue a permit or licence, to have a non residents wedding solemnised in the UK? Or is this too easy? - Institutionalist, The Institution, 9/8/2010 The Home Office do issue a marriage licence to foreign nationals who want to marry in a register office in the UK, the Church Of England have chosen to opt out of the scheme, they are stubborn and won't take part! That's why they are being targeted and adding to the problem. Their position is, "We are here to marry people not to check on immigration status" This frustrates the HO and leads to the abuse as reported. A very pious attitude however they are quickly becoming an institution open to ridicule. This investigation clearly cost hundreds of man hours purely because the COE will not scrutinise marriages of this type. It wont stop until they take a stand.
I've watch a number of "border control" programmes on T.V. I thought that simply marrying a UK national did not entitle someone to live in this country you still had to go through the necessary paper work. So how can EU nationals marry Non EU nationals and give Non EU nationals rights to remain in the UK? Also shouldn't all paperwork be done in advance of the marriage and presented to the registrar to be checked?
I'm proud to be a part of the European Union. We just have to take the rough with the smooth and put our faith in the criminal justice system. We should remember that although these people have broken the law, their crimes are non-violent. Seven years sounds like a long time for a bit of rule-bending.
Sj, UK, 09/8/2010 16:57 Daniel Hewson, Bexhill UK, 09/8 How many more foreign criminals are we going to have to put up with? We've got enough of our own. - Joy, London, England., 09/8/2010 16:37 Totally agree with all. Eastern Europeans were negotiating with Nigerian groups to facilitate very brief introductions. The Czech gang was arrested after they spotted unusual ceremonies taking places between Czechs and Nigerians and Syrians. "The operation was smashed by immigration officers after they spotted discrepancies in numerous marriage records." BUT it has been going on for years WITHOUT being addressed, where were they then? ALL foreigners involved must be deported. They abused the system. Tag them so that they may never enter Britain again.
What are the government doing about the sham marriages? They should be annulled and deported, we are skint and we're full.
IF Czech gangsters are doing this then these couples should not be given immediate right of abode in the UK. Let them go and live in the Czech Republic. When it comes to Britain, everyone extracts the urine! What's it called again? Freedom of movement of criminals and there's nothing we can do about it is there? Well... yes, there is something we can do about it. We could ask for the safeguard clause to be implemented: The safeguard clause makes it possible for a Member State that has chosen no longer to apply restrictive measures (the UK) and to allow freedom of movement for workers, to ask the Commission for authorisation to impose new restrictions if its labour market is threatened by, or experiences, serious difficulties. Why has no one thought of using the safeguard clause? There are so many scams going on out there. Excuse me, haven't we got millions out of work??
Every one of them should be deported never to be allowed back.
It is the ease with which marriages of convenience allow the bride or bridegroom to apply for citizenship that is encouraging the criminals. A marriage should not give an instant right to British citizenship. The couple should remain together for a period of say, three years before being qualified to apply for permanent resident status. The couple should also provide evidence of stability in the marriage and employment before being considered for permanent resident status. This should deter most of the criminals.
I absolutely despair at the policies we have of controlling the tide of people coming to this country and how easily fraud is perpetrated by some of these unscrupulous new arrivals, we need action now and retrospectively.
ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho I am so shocked,not.
Seven years behind bars? Instant, PERMANENT deportation. No whining, no ridiculous human rights, and absolutely no payouts, or CHANCE OF RETURN. Don't care if they are EU members. Break the law and out you go. This should be the law. Of course it won't be, because whatever Government we need, we seem incapable of getting, ie one that puts the British citizen first.
Lets not mess around here, these illegal weddings take place so that they can avail themselves to our generous welfare state, If its not dealt with we will all be the poorer
Ok.....so why don't the Home Office or Immigration Service, issue a permit or licence, to have a non residents wedding solemnised in the UK? Or is this too easy?
but when if ever will they be deported never
How many more foreign criminals are we going to have to put up with? We've got enough of our own.
Very well done Heath, Wilson, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron. This country is now completely finished as a result of being run by traitors for the last 50 years.
This case, and other simillar ones reported recently is probably the tip of a very large iceberg.
So the Vicer did'nt suspect something was amiss?Pull the other one.
What do you expect - Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, our whole way of life sold to the highest bidder!
This is what happens when the law grants exemptions for religious reasons. Will the government stamp out the special treatment of religious groups now? I doubt it!
To have and to hold from this day forward 'til deportation do us part
Annul all marriages & deport all concerned.
....... and the INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE for the allegations should pay any fines or costs if proven. NOT THE TAXPAYER.
Go for it!
So what is Rotherham's views on membership of the SWP?For foster parents naturally as there are probably a few social workers already party members.
These foster parents,should take legal action against every one of the Rotherham council members who have caused so many problems,and those members should be sacked anyway,as they are a disgrace to Rotherham,a disgrace to this country,and do not deserve their jobs,which they cannot carry out,without being set to one political party.
In this country everybody has a right to belong to any legally reconised organisation political or otherwise.They should also sue the council for breaching their human rights.These councilors are nothing more than jumped up jobsworths who need putting their places,most of these social workers caan't even run their own lives let alone make decisions for others.as we have seen by the glaring mistakes they have made in recent high profile child cases
The problem with this is that, if they win, which they deserve to, any compensation will be paid with money from the council tax which is paid by thousands of local people who do not agree with what the council has done anyway. Compensation should in fact be paid by the Liebour Party and union activists who encourage this type of discriminatory PC action in the first place.
will farage be doing anything about the ukip candidate in the kent by election who has called for the compulsory termination of foetuses thought to have downs syndrome or spina bifida?....and will the DM be covering this important story please?.. - leigh richards, swansea, United Kingdom, 21/12/2012 11:48 >>>>> Ummm, he was suspended, or do you only ever read half stories?
will farage be doing anything about the ukip candidate in the kent by election who has called for the compulsory termination of foetuses thought to have downs syndrome or spina bifida?....and will the DM be covering this important story please?.. - leigh richards , swansea, United Kingdom, 21/12/2012 11:48 In a word, yes. UKIP has dropped him.
It's a dangerous thing. Banning people from ANY activity for belonging to a LEGITIMATE political party. Even if they supported BNP they should not be banned.
They weren't called The Loony Left for nothing....we should resurrect this phrase!!
To the couple, I hope you do not sue Rotherham council as the money comes from the council tax payers, please sue the individuals instead they are getting paid enough money.
Quite right to !
Absolutely agree with other comments here. I have often found myself wondering why certain people in public Office should not be held accountable personally for their actions. Also, Rotherham Council point out that they were not the employers of the foster-parents, because an Agency was..... Well, so what?? You do not have to be an employee of a Council or Company to suffer grievous libel or slander by them. Those foster-parents were the victims of left wing politically motivated malice and should be exonerated and given restitution for the vile treatment they suffered at the hands of Rotherham Soviet Services.....
"A couple who had their foster children taken from them because they are members of Ukip are threatening to sue the council that removed the youngsters over alleged press leaks." So who went to the press about the situation?
In response to Leigh Richards-UKIP has immediately revoked this members candidacy and has stated he will not be allowed to represent the party in future elections. The DM has already reported on this I believe. Selective reading Mr Richards? I,m sure there will be an investigation to determine the facts ,and,he may have his membership withdrawn. UKIP will ,no doubt act on facts.Unlike the other parties we do not believe in trial by media.
The council don't care if they are sued. It's only Toytown money collected from tax payers so it doesn't mean anything to them. We will never see imporvements in the public sector until their management are held personally responsible for their actions. Fines should come straight out of any bonuses they expect
And rightly so!
What this, and other cases, highlights is the Star Chamber authority under which social services conduct their business. Shielded by the veil of secrecy it allows them (SS's) to make ANY DECISION they see fit, knowing that any public advice or highlighting the case sought through the media (by those under the microscope) will be met with very severe sanctions. It paralyses those who are under that microscope from seeking the necessary advice and support they need against a very powerful, anonymous authority. No matter how ill-advised, prejudiced or crass the so-called professional decisions have been. Secrecy MUST be eliminated all the way through the system. And I would love to know why the news of their UKIP membership was delivered to the SS's - it stinks of spite, malice and vexation - pure nastiness. It is that individual who will also cost in any successful suing of the council and/or the fostering agency.
will farage be doing anything about the ukip candidate in the kent by election who has called for the compulsory termination of foetuses thought to have downs syndrome or spina bifida?....and will the DM be covering this important story please?.. - leigh richards, swansea, United Kingdom, 21/12/2012 11:48 He did - the candidate was kicked out of the party. They already covered the story days ago. The man screwed up, he was sacked. End of story.
Although this just takes money from the public, I support this lawsuit and I hope all councils are informed of the outcome so that this doesn't repeat itself.
Smash this LABOUR council, UKIP
You're absolutely right, Mark - private prosecutions against the INDIVIDUALS responsible should help bring these organisations and their fanatical ways to heel. And, Leigh Richards: yes, UKIP have suspended Clarke, and stated that he will not be representing them should he win the election - as told by the Daily Mail a couple of days ago. You were saying?
Is there a by-election coming up?
I seem to recall it was UKIP who went to the press for some free publicity, are they going to sue themselves?
If it was me I would take them to court but not for compensation. I would demand in settlement that all involved loose their jobs and be blacklisted themselves so they can never seek to impose their own views on society again, that includes the head of the social services since the buck stops with whoever that might be.
JP Tunbridge Wells - You forgot to say thanks to David because he is following in the same footsteps by not taking the bull by the horns and bringing Social Services to heal. They have been a menace for many, many years and by the looks of some of the people that they are attracting into the job things will only get worse instead of better. Perhaps your thinking is because your neck of the woods is very blue?.
S Yorks - the place where they would elect a donkey if on the voting list under 'Labour'. Just look up the MP for Doncaster and you'll see what I mean. But why has it taken so long for them to decided to sue?
Why are we taking into care seven children belonging to foreigners? No wonder taxes are so high. This needs an urgent review.
Leigh for your info UKIP has already booted out the chap who went on about Downs Syndrome children. There was a political party in Germany in the 30s which was more his taste.
They shouldn't sue the Council, but the individuals who made the decision. Too often, these individuals escape punishment and it's the taxpayer who ends up paying the claimants.
The children should be with their family and the foster carers should get a full apology and cleared to foster children who really need it.
Socialist workers you mean
children should stay with family no ifs maybee why when they should not be adopted under no circumstance by strangers
They should on principal, they might then donate any proceeds to UKIP to fight to save our Country before it's too late!
You will find as with any social services department in the country once you stand up to them and they spit their dummy out of the pram they will close ranks and even lie and manipulate the facts to suit their case against you. That is what this council will do. Its not about the children its about their extreme left wing views of social engineering.
will farage be doing anything about the ukip candidate in the kent by election who has called for the compulsory termination of foetuses thought to have downs syndrome or spina bifida?....and will the DM be covering this important story please?..
The really scary part of this story is that it took place in the UK with a British council. Presumably if the foster parents belonged to the Labour Party or the Socialist Workers' Party there would be no problem. It really begs the question of how much political bias exists in the placing of children and if there should be a public enquiry.
Suing the council is fine, although it will take cash away from council funds if they win. However, wouldn't it be better to go after those involved personally? That might concentrate the minds of those who make decisions, & if monies are then awarded, it should come from the pockets of the employees concerned, again not from council cash. One big problem that we see time & time again in public institutions - no accountability & freedom to spend other peoples' cash very casually, particularly when it comes to court cases. Indeed, shouldn't the unions, not councils, pay for defending council employees (their members) in situations like this?
Good! UKIP is not racist in the slightest.
Blow this political council out of the water, get rid of them.
They don't like the EU, but would love to grab themselves some EU baby. No,no,no.
money money money!
What a total mess created by jobsworths, political correctness, intolerance and prejudice.................................. Thanks tony, Thanks peter, Thanks gordon....... What a bunch of.......... !!
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This is a total mess!!! I am not just talking about this particular case, but children s services as a whole. Children are taken from loving parents/left with neglectful parents'/not supported at all for reasons that are not in their best interests. I am not saying that children s services are wholly bad, but that they are under resourced, under trained and over worked. This means that a bad job is often done because social workers do not have the resources to do a good job!!. Or, they are just sticking to the rules without thought or consideration. I say this from witnessing friends and neibours who have contact with childrens services and I have often wondered if the social workers involved have had a lobotomy!!! To discriminate against experienced foster parents because of their politics is typical of labour and again demonstrates why the labour party as a whole can not be trusted as far as you can throw a piano with a broken arm.
Make an example of this council.Show all the political correct bureaucratic dictators that this country is infested with from top to bottom.That have destroyed our freedom as individuals.That we have had enough.
"Experienced foster parents",experienced trouble makers more like. Get over your 5 minutes of fame and get on with your life.
Another UKIP bandwagon comes rolling by..........
I hope the sue this 'Bolshevik' run council for every penny and I hope they win.
So we shall have social workers intervening with biological parents belonging to UKIP because it's child abuse. That's the logic.
I would say good luck to them, however, any action will be against the council, not those useless left wing jobsworths, who wrongly made the decision, so the taxpayer will end up forking out and nothing will happen to those truly responsible. Better to take advice about suing individuals, that should shake them up.
dreadfull, what has happened to the investigation? why have the council not reported back to michael gove? or is it being suppressed on purpose? great for ukip to take action!!
And I hope they highlight the role common purpose is playing in all this. And welcome to the 4th Reich. Set up by Traitor ? Blair and continued under the two faced cameron!
Typical left wing council, now trying to divert the blame to anywhere and anyone else except themselves. Socialists just can never admit when they are in the wrong can they. They make me sick for the damage their "agenda" always causes, pompous, stuck up meddling, think they know best vile left wingers.
Good luck to them and I hope they teach Rotheram council an expensive lesson..After the council has been taken to court I would like to see some of the social workers involved taken to court. These people should not be allowed to hide behind their job titles!!! Social workers involved in this farce should be sacked and sued.
I would certainly donate to Ukip if they put out an appeal to cover this couple¿s legal costs. We have allowed our liberty to be taken by stealth by a small group of influential politically motivated people. We are no longer a tolerant and free country but forced to conform to cultural Marxists dogmas we describe as politically correct. I never thought we would have a situation where someone is held on remand in solitary confinement on a charge which would normally not even rate a prison sentence but we have with Tommy Robinson, another victim of the Thought Police.
'The council is not and never has been the couple¿s employer'. What weasel words from this last bastion of of bigots. We know they do not employ these people directly but their actions threaten to destroy this couple's chances of fostering ever again. This Council have vicarious responsibility for this couple and on the highly dubious excuse of 'protecting the cultural interests of the children' they are happy to sacrifice the good name and livelihood of these dedicated foster carers. The officials responsible should not apologise, they should resign in disgrace.
C'mon what did you expect??, Any time you let socialists and marxists gain office and leave em in place for more than a few years they become ever more extreme, intolerant, and corrupt.
Rotherham council are responsible for removing the children and blackening the name of this couple regardless of who employs the couple.
Heads rolling comes to mind
I hope they do and I hope they win Bigtime
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